| 00:04.01 | Pendalar | that's sad.. my brother goes by dantheman on other networks |
| 00:05.02 | dantheperson_ | lol |
| 00:05.23 | danThePerson | is there an ipk for wavemon or similar app? |
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| 00:09.43 | danThePerson | i just want to monitor signal strength with a socket card |
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| 00:27.29 | danThePerson | someone should teach alient about ipk |
| 00:27.32 | danThePerson | that would be awesome |
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| 00:40.09 | danThePerson | running the sharp rom 1.3a, is there a way to allow telnet connections from the wireless interface? |
| 00:41.01 | danThePerson | OK, nvm, it works. telnet just takes a long time to respond |
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| 00:55.17 | danThePerson | Is there anyway to monitor signal strength with the socket/symbol card? |
| 00:55.40 | kergoth`movie | yeah, install wlanmon or the opie wirelessapplet or something |
| 00:55.56 | kergoth`movie | or check it via proc/wlanctl-ng or something mnaually |
| 00:55.56 | hardwireThemnky | ooh ooh |
| 00:55.58 | hardwireThemnky | aah aah |
| 00:56.10 | DaWorm | gee |
| 00:56.14 | DaWorm | what time is it there? |
| 00:56.17 | DaWorm | 4am? |
| 00:56.21 | hardwire | 1:00am |
| 00:56.30 | DaWorm | oh west coast? |
| 00:56.40 | hardwire | middle of the US |
| 00:56.42 | hardwire | colorado |
| 00:56.43 | hardwire | MST |
| 00:56.48 | DaWorm | ahh |
| 00:56.56 | hardwire | Middle Standard time |
| 00:56.56 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:57.00 | hardwire | not really |
| 00:57.12 | hardwire | Goucho Standard Time |
| 00:57.16 | DaWorm | its more like mountain right |
| 00:57.18 | danThePerson | kergoth: i've tried those, they don't work for this card |
| 00:57.31 | hardwire | DaWorm yurp |
| 00:57.33 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: thats because you're on the sharp rom. |
| 00:57.34 | hardwire | anyhoot |
| 00:57.38 | hardwire | my bed a becons |
| 00:57.41 | danThePerson | iwconfig doesn't report it either... so probably a driver limitation |
| 00:57.44 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: the socket/symbol driver needs wireless extensions to interface with it |
| 00:57.46 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: wrong. |
| 00:57.52 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: thats complete b/s |
| 00:57.54 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: heh |
| 00:58.04 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: your'e telling me the orinoco driver cant list signal strength? |
| 00:58.05 | danThePerson | iwconfig |
| 00:58.05 | danThePerson | eth0 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"DunWL" Nickname:"localhost" |
| 00:58.05 | danThePerson | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.05 | danThePerson | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.05 | danThePerson | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.07 | danThePerson | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.09 | danThePerson | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.11 | danThePerson | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.13 | danThePerson | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.15 | danThePerson | socket/symbol driver |
| 00:58.28 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: dont flood this channel. |
| 00:58.34 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: #flood exists for a reason. |
| 00:58.50 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: now what version of the socket/symbol drivers are you running? |
| 00:58.53 | danThePerson | does the orinoco driver work with the symbol/socket card? |
| 00:58.58 | kergoth`movie | eh? |
| 00:59.08 | kergoth`movie | the spectrum_cs driver is a modified version of orinoco_cs |
| 00:59.21 | kergoth`movie | uses orinoco and hermes same as orinoco_cs |
| 00:59.36 | danThePerson | just wondering why you are talking about the orinoco driver |
| 00:59.43 | kergoth`movie | i know, and i just told you why |
| 01:00.11 | danThePerson | hmm, how can i check which version i have installed? |
| 01:00.14 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: all i can suggest offhand is ensure you're on the latest |
| 01:00.20 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: ipkg info |
| 01:00.31 | kergoth`movie | danThePerson: I'd probably have other suggestions were i completely conscious, but i'm not |
| 01:00.37 | danThePerson | yeah trying to find the website for the driver to see if there is a newer version |
| 01:00.48 | kergoth`movie | i may have it bookmarked still |
| 01:00.54 | kergoth`movie | otherwise just google for spectrum_cs |
| 01:02.26 | danThePerson | hmm, ipkg info socketspecdriver doesn't print any output |
| 01:02.38 | kergoth`movie | then thats not the package name |
| 01:02.44 | kergoth`movie | are you sure its 'socketspecdriver' exactly? |
| 01:02.49 | kergoth`movie | just do |
| 01:02.51 | kergoth`movie | ipkg info|grep socket |
| 01:02.53 | kergoth`movie | heh |
| 01:03.35 | danThePerson | that is what the add/remove software program lists it as |
| 01:03.53 | kergoth`movie | just do it with grep |
| 01:04.17 | danThePerson | "ipkg info" doesn't print anything |
| 01:04.31 | kergoth`movie | try ipkg status |
| 01:04.43 | danThePerson | cool, that works |
| 01:04.53 | danThePerson | Version: 0.3.4-2 |
| 01:05.00 | kergoth`movie | ipkg info wont likely show packages that werent installed to root (aka cf/sd) |
| 01:05.03 | kergoth`movie | status should show all |
| 01:05.32 | danThePerson | i've often wondered how to display what packages are installed from the commandline :) |
| 01:07.32 | danThePerson | hmm, 0.3.4 seems to be the latest. Have you heard of signal strength working for anybody else? |
| 01:08.02 | kergoth`zzz | danThePerson: I couldve sworn it was, but I may be confusing cards/people |
| 01:08.13 | kergoth`zzz | danThePerson: keep asking around, there are a number of people in here with that card |
| 01:08.18 | kergoth`zzz | including jasonnj, and others |
| 01:08.21 | danThePerson | hmm hangon, there is a newer source 0.3.7 |
| 01:08.24 | kergoth`zzz | myself, i have the huge ass dlink |
| 01:08.40 | kergoth`zzz | 0.3.7, i wonder if thats the last version i merged into openzaurus |
| 01:08.40 | danThePerson | just need to find a nice binary for it. |
| 01:09.49 | kergoth`zzz | +static char version[] __initdata = "spectrum_cs.c 0.3.6"; |
| 01:09.51 | kergoth`zzz | hm |
| 01:09.54 | kergoth`zzz | so oz has 0.3.6 atm |
| 01:09.59 | kergoth`zzz | i should merge in 0.3.7 tomorrow |
| 01:10.01 | kergoth`zzz | thanks for the info :) |
| 01:10.05 | kergoth`zzz | night |
| 01:11.08 | danThePerson | which feed has 0.3.6 ? |
| 01:11.57 | danThePerson | Cant see anydriver under http://www.openzaurus.org/feeds |
| 01:12.35 | kergoth`zzz | they arent a seperate ipk atm in oz |
| 01:12.42 | kergoth`zzz | they're part of the kernel modules package |
| 01:13.26 | danThePerson | oh, ta |
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| 01:47.11 | ElzWhere | lol |
| 01:51.35 | DaWorm | hey |
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| 03:59.58 | Twiun | mornin' |
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| 04:32.02 | tlv | is there any 2.5 kernel around that i can compile and use for my zaurus (doesn't have to be stable or complete)? |
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| 04:38.06 | Shutdown | have problems with usb-connection, can anyone help? |
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| 04:45.05 | Coup | Shutdown: what kind of desktop box? |
| 04:46.18 | Shutdown | debian |
| 04:46.48 | Coup | Ahh, ok, I failed to get it working myself, but didnt have the time to invest in it. Have you read the howto? |
| 04:47.00 | Shutdown | yes |
| 04:47.26 | Shutdown | there is a problem tranfering data from pc->z, other direction works |
| 04:47.39 | Shutdown | no, i meant the other way round |
| 04:48.01 | Coup | ok, personally I had more luck when I changed the netmask from 255.255.255.255 to 255.255.255.0 but pings were as far as I could get, when i sent anything something seemed to ifdown and it hung |
| 04:48.10 | Coup | sounds like the problem I had |
| 04:48.57 | Shutdown | the connection works, but transfer stalls after approx 130kb data |
| 04:49.15 | Coup | yeah, sounds about what I had |
| 04:49.17 | Coup | :( |
| 04:49.23 | Coup | tried the Zaurus mailing list? |
| 04:49.36 | Shutdown | not yet.. |
| 04:49.41 | Coup | More likely to get help there, as the people in the US will wake up soon |
| 04:49.51 | Coup | or wait here for people like kergoth/benmeyer to log in. |
| 04:50.08 | Shutdown | stupid question, what time is it in us? |
| 04:50.30 | Twiun | around 6am I believe |
| 04:50.45 | Shutdown | ok, i see |
| 04:50.54 | Coup | I'm in the UK :) But, IIRC the east coast US markets open at 1430 my time so that much be 0830 their time, so it must be about 6am |
| 04:51.06 | Coup | Twiun: :P |
| 04:51.08 | Twiun | hehe |
| 04:51.24 | Twiun | yeah, it varies from gmt-7 to gmt -5h30... |
| 04:51.46 | Coup | Twiun: I work for Thomson Financial, I work everything around stock exchange open/close times :) |
| 04:51.59 | Twiun | lol |
| 04:52.15 | Twiun | I'm _trying_ to get into UBS Warburg atm ;-) |
| 04:52.50 | Coup | good luck |
| 04:52.58 | Shutdown | thx |
| 04:53.02 | Coup | not the best time to get into financial institutions |
| 04:53.27 | Twiun | yeah, tell me about it... not at all the best of times to look for another job in any case |
| 04:53.38 | Twiun | Coup: thanks |
| 04:54.03 | Coup | :) if I can be of any assistance, let me know. No contacts at UBS sadly. |
| 04:54.21 | Twiun | drat :-) |
| 04:54.28 | Twiun | thanks for the offer though |
| 04:54.35 | Twiun | where in the UK are you based? |
| 04:56.31 | xml0 | twiun: what's your job? I used to work for UBS Warburg, but only as a contractor |
| 04:57.08 | Twiun | xml0: I'm a Java software engineer... and I'm applying for Systems developer |
| 04:57.43 | xml0 | I just started a new job last month. only bank hiring at the time was Deutsche |
| 04:57.45 | Twiun | xml0: just took their technical test |
| 04:57.54 | Twiun | xml0: for ubsw that is |
| 04:58.36 | xml0 | I applied for a permie position at warburgs before that and they gave me a really weird test |
| 04:58.49 | xml0 | some sort of psychological test |
| 04:59.04 | Twiun | weird... what was the position? |
| 04:59.14 | xml0 | sysadmin |
| 04:59.26 | Twiun | Ahhh, understandable then |
| 04:59.39 | Twiun | you wouldn't want your sysadmin to be unstable... |
| 04:59.39 | Coup | Twiun: sorry, was AFK, i'm in Cambridge, but my HQ is London |
| 04:59.43 | xml0 | then I went contracting with swiss bank doing security and they merged with warburgs |
| 05:00.12 | Twiun | Coup: any java positions going? *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink* |
| 05:00.29 | Twiun | xml0: yeah, the swiss banks have really consolidated recently |
| 05:00.44 | Twiun | esp now they can't offer numbered accounts |
| 05:01.04 | Coup | Twiun: we have a recruitment freeze at the moment. |
| 05:01.12 | xml0 | what a suprise... |
| 05:01.18 | Coup | yeah |
| 05:01.50 | Coup | Twiun: which is a shame, cos i need new people in my team (project management) we're getting a bit thin on the ground |
| 05:02.06 | Coup | TwiunL did you go to the big UBS building near Liverpool St Station? big red thing. |
| 05:02.16 | Twiun | Coup: that's the one - 7th floor |
| 05:03.06 | Twiun | met a Mark Ager - HR person I believe |
| 05:05.06 | Twiun | Coup: yeah, my last place bled a few project managers and got 'consultants' in instead... |
| 05:05.16 | Twiun | Coup: one of the many signs the place is going belly-up |
| 05:08.02 | Coup | Twiun: we haven't made any of my team redundant, just "natural wastage" we're not allowed to replace :( |
| 05:10.00 | ZzzGogo | i'd like ti format a floppy from the commandline under linux - how? |
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| 05:15.10 | Twiun | ZzzGogo: no idea I'm afraid - my floppy drive is as dead as a doormouse |
| 05:19.09 | xml0 | fdformat |
| 05:19.51 | xml0 | or mkdosfs |
| 05:20.03 | xml0 | years since I used a floppy disk |
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| 07:01.37 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 07:02.21 | Twiun | yo |
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| 07:17.33 | Harlekin | hi * |
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| 07:26.38 | aj2911 | hello, I am trying to setup a dev env for Z on my laptop (Mandrake 9.0) using instructions from http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
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| 07:26.56 | aj2911 | step 1 and 2 ask to install a couple of RPMs, all went fine |
| 07:27.12 | aj2911 | also created scripts in step2 |
| 07:27.44 | aj2911 | step3: ask you to compile an example: I copied file to my tmp directory, ran tmake to build Makefile |
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| 07:27.52 | aj2911 | then ran "make" |
| 07:28.10 | aj2911 | I get a whole lot of "undefined reference" errors |
| 07:28.16 | aj2911 | any ideas whats up ? |
| 07:28.23 | aj2911 | wud really appreciate any help |
| 07:29.52 | xml0 | what's the first error? |
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| 07:35.46 | aj2911 | xml0: main.o(.text+0x24): undefined reference to `QPEApplication::QPEApplication[in-charge](int&, char**, QApplication::Type)' |
| 07:35.54 | aj2911 | xml0: sorry about the late reply |
| 07:36.34 | xml0 | what's your QTDIR set to? |
| 07:36.53 | aj2911 | be back in a few minutes.... |
| 07:40.42 | aj2911 | xml0: "echo $QTDIR" showed "/opt/Qtopia" |
| 07:40.48 | aj2911 | sorry about the delay |
| 07:41.03 | aj2911 | does version of gcc matter ? |
| 07:41.34 | aj2911 | mine gcc version is 3.2 |
| 07:42.18 | ljp_work | use, qtopia uses 2.5x |
| 07:42.29 | aj2911 | :-/ |
| 07:44.31 | aj2911 | does it matter if I compile the example from the /opt/Qtopia/example directory or $HOME/tmp ? |
| 07:45.22 | jaytee | it looks a lot more like you are missing a library or some other source of that function |
| 07:46.11 | jaytee | have you loaded on some QT libs but not yet rerun ldconfig? (does rpm install rerun ldconfig?) |
| 07:46.32 | jaytee | are the QT libs in the ldconfig path? |
| 07:47.01 | jaytee | just guessing :-) |
| 07:47.57 | aj2911 | I have not yet run ldconfig, trying now.... |
| 07:48.33 | aj2911 | the script that sets up the cross compile environment, sets lib path in LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG |
| 07:48.56 | aj2911 | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:${ORG_LD_LIBRARY_PATH} |
| 07:49.38 | jaytee | that's a good thing, if it's used and if the libraries are reloaded |
| 07:50.13 | jaytee | again.... it may be headers or other code snippets and not libs. |
| 07:51.23 | aj2911 | ran ldconfig, still getting all these errors |
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| 07:51.41 | aj2911 | jaytee, can you suggest something that I could try > |
| 07:51.43 | aj2911 | ? |
| 07:52.37 | jaytee | aj2911: where did you get the base cross-compile environemnt? I could play here... I have gcc 3.2 also, (and use it daily to compile the kernel) |
| 07:53.07 | aj2911 | jaytee: I got all software and instructions from http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 07:53.30 | jaytee | ok... it might take a bit of time... haven't had breakfast yet ;-) |
| 07:53.40 | aj2911 | The link for qtopia-free-1.5.0-1.i386.rpm was broken on that page, which I directly downloaded from trolltech |
| 07:54.00 | aj2911 | jaytee: I really appreciate your helping out. I will be here, take your time :) |
| 07:56.14 | jaytee | aj2911: do you get the ending comments after running the batch files? |
| 07:56.42 | aj2911 | jaytee: yes: "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" |
| 07:56.48 | aj2911 | make: *** [example] Error 1 |
| 07:57.55 | benmeyer | aj2911: yah I will fix that link shortly |
| 07:58.08 | aj2911 | ok, no probs :) |
| 07:58.11 | benmeyer | I acidently moved and then deleted it |
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| 07:59.11 | aj2911 | can someone suggest an IDE that I could use to do development on Linuix (for Zaurus) ? |
| 07:59.49 | coup | miniIDE? |
| 07:59.51 | jaytee | aj2911: I mean the comments like: echo "Altered environment for Sharp Zaurus Development ARM" |
| 08:00.17 | aj2911 | jaytee: yes, when I run the script to set environment, I get that message |
| 08:00.22 | jaytee | coup: I think he's asking for an IDE on his desktop box |
| 08:00.35 | jaytee | aj2911: i use vi ;-> |
| 08:00.45 | aj2911 | vi is what I am using right now :) |
| 08:01.23 | aj2911 | :) |
| 08:01.41 | benmeyer | well vim, gvim, or kvim depending on the terminal I am on |
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| 08:02.28 | benmeyer | hehe need new tires now |
| 08:03.11 | benmeyer | the repairs increased the power 10 fold, don't have enough traction on my current (old) tires |
| 08:03.26 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 08:03.52 | prpplague | benmeyer: traction for snow, or just plane traction? |
| 08:03.59 | benmeyer | just plain traction |
| 08:04.12 | benmeyer | must say it is a bit of fun though |
| 08:04.41 | Wintre | Ah |
| 08:05.13 | benmeyer | the clutch doesn't slip at all now, so the moment I let up on the clutch the car say full speed ahead! |
| 08:05.30 | jaytee | wheeee |
| 08:05.57 | jaytee | or should i say... screeech |
| 08:06.08 | benmeyer | it is like learning to drive a clutch all over again |
| 08:06.21 | benmeyer | actually stalled the car yesterday for the first time in years |
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| 08:10.12 | Twiun | can't believe it took them over 60s to switch routers |
| 08:10.13 | prpplague | benmeyer: heard anything from raj? |
| 08:10.24 | benmeyer | nope |
| 08:10.28 | benmeyer | was at home for 2 days |
| 08:10.32 | benmeyer | working from my laptop |
| 08:10.40 | benmeyer | he should be at ces though |
| 08:10.50 | benmeyer | I mean comdex |
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| 08:13.38 | benmeyer | Hi Piete |
| 08:13.54 | Piete | how are you ben? |
| 08:15.25 | benmeyer | good |
| 08:15.39 | benmeyer | having homemade soup for dinner today :-D |
| 08:16.21 | Piete | hmmm, man, I haven't had soup like that in *years* |
| 08:16.57 | Piete | my average dinner consists of rice/ramen & sauce + coffee :) |
| 08:17.28 | benmeyer | Jen is having quite a bit of fun playing in the kitchen. Lately her favorite thing to do is to boil a chicken for a day having chicken for dinner that night and then soup the next day. |
| 08:17.36 | benmeyer | hehe that used to be me too |
| 08:17.47 | benmeyer | I still sneak in some ramen also |
| 08:18.22 | Piete | heh,, man the soup sounds nice.. *drools* |
| 08:19.02 | benmeyer | hehe, course the lasagna is to die for. |
| 08:19.04 | ljp_work | no soup for you! |
| 08:19.16 | ljp_work | come back.. one year! |
| 08:19.20 | Piete | lol |
| 08:19.57 | Piete | I had a suprise today,, I actually got better FPS in opieplayer2 than in TKCVideo.. |
| 08:20.09 | ljp_work | well, of course |
| 08:20.18 | Piete | usualy its the other way around |
| 08:20.35 | ljp_work | just wait till the next op2 beta |
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| 08:21.00 | Piete | ljp_work: better mem usage/stability? |
| 08:21.33 | ljp_work | ya xine has alot of improvements, and the gui too |
| 08:22.17 | aj2911 | and xine works out of the box (on mandrake 9) |
| 08:22.20 | benmeyer | saw a new version was released |
| 08:22.37 | Piete | hows xine nowadays? I stopped using it at 0.9.13 |
| 08:22.44 | ljp_work | wel, op2 uses/needs teh xine cvs |
| 08:22.52 | benmeyer | what is its min spec for playing a DVD at 720? |
| 08:23.08 | benmeyer | Is it down to a Celeron 300? |
| 08:23.21 | Piete | what?! |
| 08:23.27 | Piete | celery 300? |
| 08:23.30 | benmeyer | That is what my DVD plays on. |
| 08:23.39 | benmeyer | my Linux Software DVD player |
| 08:23.54 | Piete | benmeyer: wow,, I thought it required at least a 500Mhz box for decent framrates |
| 08:23.56 | benmeyer | it will run on a Celeron 300a |
| 08:24.01 | benmeyer | full frame |
| 08:24.08 | benmeyer | no clue what xine needs |
| 08:24.17 | Piete | what do you use? xine or ogle or mplayer (else?) |
| 08:24.17 | benmeyer | but it doesn't need a 500Mhz box I can tell you that |
| 08:24.22 | benmeyer | something else |
| 08:24.22 | Piete | videolan? |
| 08:24.28 | benmeyer | lsdvd |
| 08:24.35 | Piete | is it freE? |
| 08:24.38 | benmeyer | nope |
| 08:24.42 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 08:24.46 | Piete | thats ok :) |
| 08:24.50 | benmeyer | never was released |
| 08:24.53 | benmeyer | which is sad |
| 08:24.55 | Piete | its sounds hella optimized |
| 08:25.05 | benmeyer | just well though out |
| 08:25.08 | benmeyer | and optimized |
| 08:25.59 | benmeyer | but just to let you know you can run a full player on just a celeron 300a |
| 08:26.33 | Piete | thats good,, I want to buy a second hand system and run something like MythTV on it |
| 08:26.47 | benmeyer | hehe my 300a is my primary system |
| 08:26.52 | Piete | so I can listen to music, play movies, record TV etc |
| 08:28.27 | Piete | benmeyer: nice :D what model case? |
| 08:28.46 | ljp_work | space shuttle?! |
| 08:29.15 | benmeyer | 24 |
| 08:29.26 | benmeyer | with a C3 in it |
| 08:29.31 | Piete | ljp_work: hehe |
| 08:29.35 | benmeyer | low power, no noise |
| 08:29.55 | benmeyer | no fan, just heat sink, power fan can be turned off |
| 08:30.00 | Piete | benmeyer: how are those C3's? The seem really 'cool' :P |
| 08:30.19 | benmeyer | arn't that fast, but much faster then my 300a haha |
| 08:30.40 | prpplague | benmeyer: argh, raj isn't answering his cell...... |
| 08:30.44 | benmeyer | for e-mail, web, and ocational compiling it will be fine |
| 08:31.05 | Piete | yea |
| 08:31.16 | Piete | benmeyer: I guess it will play DVD's fine? |
| 08:31.25 | benmeyer | don't see why not |
| 08:31.34 | Piete | damn, all of a sudden I want one |
| 08:31.39 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 08:31.44 | Piete | this fan is driving me nuts |
| 08:31.52 | Piete | I can't sleep with my box on :) |
| 08:32.01 | benmeyer | I am going to drill a handle on it so I can carry with me and vpn home ;-D |
| 08:32.01 | ljp_work | stick a stick in it |
| 08:32.48 | benmeyer | haha, at college when in my room with had over 50 green led's and 15 or so computers the night before we went home and turned everything off was the scariest night |
| 08:33.00 | benmeyer | just too quite |
| 08:33.18 | Piete | I have the : PSU fan (loud), CPU fan (for orig athlon, LOUD), Graphics card(not that loud), HDD(AAM on, so not that loud), +2 System fans |
| 08:33.19 | benmeyer | and it was all on the wall oposite out beds |
| 08:33.48 | benmeyer | oh yah and it is a 5400rpm drive so it wont clonk back and forth. :-D |
| 08:34.31 | Piete | heh, lemme count the LEDs I have on my desk |
| 08:34.37 | Piete | 28 gree |
| 08:34.41 | Piete | +n |
| 08:34.46 | Piete | 3 yellow |
| 08:34.50 | Piete | 4 red |
| 08:34.59 | Piete | heh |
| 08:35.52 | benmeyer | One of the main reasons to get the Shuttle was after I shut off my computer every night my power bill dropped $10, now I shut them all off every night |
| 08:36.06 | Piete | wow |
| 08:36.44 | benmeyer | anyone else notice how gas prices have gone way up in the last few months? |
| 08:37.12 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 08:38.16 | benmeyer | yah, just finised going through e-mail |
| 08:38.24 | benmeyer | only took 1 hour 40 mintues |
| 08:38.25 | benmeyer | haha |
| 08:39.20 | Twiun | bah, we're obviously not sending you enough stuff |
| 08:39.37 | benmeyer | simply parsing through all of the mailinglists |
| 08:39.49 | Piete | heya cloud |
| 08:39.51 | benmeyer | The first week when the Zaurus was released was worse though |
| 08:39.54 | benmeyer | 500 a day |
| 08:40.00 | benmeyer | first week on the job too |
| 08:40.06 | benmeyer | and no Howtos |
| 08:40.26 | ljp_work | earned your pay, eh? |
| 08:40.57 | benmeyer | indeed and a migraine or two |
| 08:41.27 | benmeyer | I didn't relize the lack of documentation when I signed on |
| 08:41.35 | ljp_work | hahaa |
| 08:42.23 | benmeyer | I can't wait for the sf site to come up |
| 08:42.38 | benmeyer | and a Sharp ROM project to be created |
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| 08:43.04 | benmeyer | so the bugs can be posted there with the hope of them being fixed one day by Sharp Japan |
| 08:43.28 | benmeyer | oh yah I figured as a Sharp employee I would get source, but na, I don't. |
| 08:44.10 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 08:44.10 | ljp_work | haha. I have qtopia-sharp source via Lineo |
| 08:44.21 | benmeyer | yah, but I can't look at it |
| 08:44.30 | benmeyer | just to close for comfort |
| 08:44.38 | ljp_work | nope. and since I've told you, I'm going to have to lart you |
| 08:44.43 | benmeyer | sense I help out opie in my spare time |
| 08:45.05 | ljp_work | well, I am a core dev, but I still under NDA |
| 08:48.05 | bipolar | kergoth`zzz: ping |
| 08:48.24 | benmeyer | hehe really should remove that script |
| 08:48.33 | Harlekin | re |
| 08:48.33 | bipolar | Piete: gnight |
| 08:48.42 | bipolar | Harlekin: you |
| 08:48.42 | benmeyer | hey Harlekin |
| 08:48.47 | bipolar | er.... yo |
| 08:48.52 | benmeyer | long time no see |
| 08:49.07 | Harlekin | hey bipolar benmeyer |
| 08:49.19 | Harlekin | benmeyer: yeah was at a conference |
| 08:49.24 | Cloudchaser | hello Harlekin |
| 08:49.34 | benmeyer | a good one? |
| 08:49.35 | ljp_work | +what conference? |
| 08:50.25 | Harlekin | hi Cloudchaser |
| 08:50.29 | Harlekin | yeah good, ( non IT ) |
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| 08:51.09 | benmeyer | offtopic: bla Act 10 transformers will be more Armada: http://e-hobby.sputniknext.com/index9_1397.html |
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| 09:02.59 | chouimat | morning |
| 09:03.29 | sn0w | does anyone know how to open the zaurus cover and what screws to remove? the cover seems a bit fragile, so i wanna know how to do it right. is there a manual for that? thx in adv |
| 09:05.47 | ljp_work | look at this doc http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/sl5x00_mic.htm |
| 09:08.54 | sn0w | yes, that's what i needed, thank you! Would like to see the pictures as well, but that's fairly enough |
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| 09:09.20 | ljp_work | soory, the web site I grabbed this from no longer exists, and I didnt have the pics |
| 09:10.34 | sn0w | no prob, i'm glad for every hint |
| 09:10.48 | ljp_work | toughest aprt is getting the keyboard rails off/on |
| 09:11.30 | sn0w | already tried it? |
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| 09:20.08 | Harlekin | hehe, the indians kick gates |
| 09:20.09 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 09:20.14 | kergoth | hey Harlekin |
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| 09:29.23 | benmeyer | new version of Kinkatta |
| 09:29.23 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 09:29.28 | benmeyer | KinkattaLite that is |
| 09:29.31 | Harlekin | hey kergoth |
| 09:29.32 | jaytee | cool |
| 09:29.40 | benmeyer | fixed that slow login issue |
| 09:29.55 | benmeyer | hehe havn't posted it yet |
| 09:29.56 | jaytee | ah ha |
| 09:29.59 | benmeyer | doing right now |
| 09:30.00 | kergoth | benmeyer: nice |
| 09:30.22 | jaytee | aj2911: I'm back from breakfast, etc. :-) |
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| 09:32.07 | aj2911 | glad to have you back jaytee :) |
| 09:32.53 | aj2911 | jaytee: some guys at the zaurus-general mailing list are of the opinion that gcc 3.x will not work with this setup |
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| 09:35.43 | jaytee | aj2911: you have the cross compiler though too |
| 09:35.51 | aj2911 | yes |
| 09:36.18 | jaytee | aj2911: I'm going down the page step by step now |
| 09:36.30 | aj2911 | jaytee: cool :) |
| 09:36.44 | jaytee | aj2911: there are your errors :-) |
| 09:37.03 | aj2911 | jaytee: ok, so u also got them.... |
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| 09:37.06 | bipolar | kergoth`zzz: yo |
| 09:37.33 | kergoth | hey bipolar |
| 09:37.41 | aj2911 | so jaytee, what now ? revert back to gcc 2.9x ? |
| 09:37.50 | aj2911 | hi kergoth, how u doing ? |
| 09:38.20 | kergoth | going to be a long day |
| 09:38.25 | aj2911 | :) |
| 09:38.30 | kergoth | heading to vegas tomorrow, so lots of shit to get done befor ei head out |
| 09:38.33 | kergoth | at work |
| 09:38.41 | aj2911 | cool :) |
| 09:39.02 | aj2911 | kergoth, you got an opinion (or time) on my probelm ? |
| 09:39.26 | kergoth | give me an overview |
| 09:39.29 | kergoth | sum it up |
| 09:39.39 | kergoth | and i'll go grab a mt dew |
| 09:39.51 | aj2911 | followed steps from http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml to setup a dev environment on Mandrake Linux (gcc 3.2) |
| 09:40.46 | aj2911 | RPMs installed ok, scripts creaated ok, copied example files to tmp dir and compiled, got a LOT of "undefined reference" errors |
| 09:41.09 | aj2911 | example: "main.o(.text+0x3f): undefined reference to `QPEApplication::showMainWidget(QWidget*, bool)'" |
| 09:42.03 | aj2911 | jaytee, what distro are you using ? |
| 09:44.31 | kergoth | aj2911: example is crap, first of all |
| 09:44.34 | jaytee | aj2911: a modified rh8.0 |
| 09:44.37 | kergoth | aj2911: try building osmething thats known working |
| 09:45.04 | jaytee | kergoth: the example has undefined references to real basic things |
| 09:45.10 | kergoth | jaytee: such as? |
| 09:45.21 | kergoth | and are you building for x86 or arm? |
| 09:45.25 | aj2911 | kergoth, u got an example that I could use ? Or should any (known working) source download from Z software index should do it ? |
| 09:45.32 | aj2911 | for x86 |
| 09:45.39 | kergoth | you cant build a x86 app against libqpe and libqt with a gcc 3.x compiler. |
| 09:45.49 | kergoth | NOT going to happen, the changed ABI will results in undefined references |
| 09:45.53 | kergoth | it'll fail to link |
| 09:45.57 | kergoth | sound familiar? |
| 09:45.58 | kergoth | heheh |
| 09:46.03 | aj2911 | :( |
| 09:46.05 | aj2911 | :(( |
| 09:46.06 | jaytee | gcc -o example main.o example.o examplebase.o moc_example.o moc_examplebase.o -L/opt/Qtopia/lib -lqpe - |
| 09:46.06 | jaytee | lqte |
| 09:46.06 | jaytee | main.o: In function `main': |
| 09:46.06 | jaytee | main.o(.text+0x1d): undefined reference to `QPEApplication::QPEApplication[in-charge](int&, char**, QAppl |
| 09:46.06 | jaytee | ication::Type)' |
| 09:46.12 | kergoth | like i said |
| 09:46.15 | kergoth | ABI change |
| 09:46.25 | kergoth | either build a 2.95 alongside your 3.2 for dev purposes, or only build for arm |
| 09:46.30 | jaytee | so the libraries are incompatible |
| 09:46.38 | kergoth | OR build your libqpe and libqt for 3.2 as well |
| 09:46.39 | kergoth | jaytee: no |
| 09:46.41 | aj2911 | kergoth: will it cross compile to Z ? arm ? |
| 09:46.49 | kergoth | jaytee: your app was built with one c++ abi, the libs with another |
| 09:46.50 | kergoth | aj2911: yes |
| 09:46.59 | aj2911 | hmm, let me try that :) |
| 09:47.31 | jaytee | that's what i meant... the libs are not compatible with 3.2 |
| 09:47.50 | kergoth | no |
| 09:47.51 | kergoth | thats incorrect |
| 09:48.05 | kergoth | the libs build fine with 3.2 with slight alteration |
| 09:48.11 | benmeyer | http://www.gamegallery.com/scrupmiled.html |
| 09:48.14 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 09:48.17 | kergoth | the problem isnt that its incompatible |
| 09:48.38 | kergoth | its that the link will fail because the abi is incompatible between your app and the libs you're trying to link against |
| 09:48.48 | chouimat | kergoth: fixed sysvinit? |
| 09:48.59 | kergoth | chouimat: no, no time |
| 09:49.09 | kergoth | current build from bk with libc 2.2.4 doesnt boot |
| 09:49.13 | kergoth | schurig reports the same behavior |
| 09:49.21 | aj2911 | kergoth, are there libs out there that will work with 3.2 ? |
| 09:49.42 | treke | benmeyer: how big is the c700 physically? |
| 09:49.50 | aj2911 | I will be damned... the example built ok for ARM :) |
| 09:50.11 | kergoth | ugh |
| 09:50.18 | kergoth | you're not listening. |
| 09:50.32 | kergoth | if you want gcc3.2 built libqt and libqpe for x86, build them yourselves. |
| 09:50.49 | jaytee | he probably was listening |
| 09:50.56 | jaytee | i'll build em |
| 09:51.04 | aj2911 | oooh, ok :) will try to get sources for libqt and libqpe :) |
| 09:51.27 | aj2911 | thanks jaytee :) |
| 09:52.29 | kergoth | aj2911: libqpe is at http://sf.net/projects/qpe/ |
| 09:52.34 | kergoth | aj2911: qtopia cvs |
| 09:52.50 | kergoth | aj2911: qt is in /pub/qt/source/ on ftp.trolltech.com |
| 09:52.53 | aj2911 | great :) |
| 09:53.12 | aj2911 | thanks kergoth |
| 09:53.15 | kergoth | np |
| 09:53.18 | kergoth | hm |
| 09:53.21 | kergoth | yeah, more caffeine |
| 09:53.25 | hardwire | heh |
| 09:53.32 | aj2911 | how can I make an RPM out of the new compiled libs for 3.2 ? Any ideas ? |
| 09:53.48 | hardwire | using rpm? |
| 09:53.52 | treke | aj2911: why bother? |
| 09:54.21 | kergoth | aj2911: rtfm. redhat has rpm documentation |
| 09:54.26 | kergoth | its not hard to build a basic specfile to build one |
| 09:54.48 | aj2911 | ok |
| 09:55.15 | kergoth | treke: well, some people dont like anything outside of /home/ that isnt managed by the package manager |
| 09:55.28 | treke | kergoth: Maybe that's the problem. I put it in /home :) |
| 09:55.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:55.50 | aj2911 | yup :) that wud be people like me :) get pre-compiled binary packages to make life easier, not to mention fastre |
| 09:55.54 | aj2911 | faster |
| 09:56.26 | kergoth | aj2911: precompiled binaries distribute in a tarball just fine |
| 09:56.33 | kergoth | aj2911: his point wasnt the distribution of binaries, but the use of rpm |
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| 09:57.41 | treke | aj2911: The build environment for qtopia is very self contained. Which makes the rpms pretty easy to build, but also a bit of overkill unless you plan to distribute them |
| 09:58.06 | aj2911 | hmm, ok, thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 10:01.13 | jaytee | don't i really want to pick up the qtopia/qtopia-free source? |
| 10:01.41 | jaytee | ... to build my new libqt and libqpe |
| 10:01.44 | kergoth | feel free, the qtpoia sdk source has it in it |
| 10:01.49 | kergoth | myself, i just grab the tarballs |
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| 10:01.50 | kergoth | to each his own |
| 10:02.29 | jaytee | the qt-2.0.2 tarball? |
| 10:02.35 | kergoth | ? |
| 10:02.38 | kergoth | you mean 2.3.2? |
| 10:03.06 | kergoth | myself, i use 2.3.4-beta2, but thats for building oz/opie |
| 10:03.08 | kergoth | you want 2.3.2 |
| 10:03.38 | jaytee | qt-embedded-2.3.2 |
| 10:04.02 | kergoth | yiep |
| 10:04.02 | kergoth | yep |
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| 10:06.22 | jaytee | whats the diff between the qt-embedded and the qt-embedded-free? |
| 10:06.44 | kergoth | eh? |
| 10:06.48 | kergoth | look at the version numbers. |
| 10:06.57 | kergoth | they just named the 3.x packages differently |
| 10:07.03 | kergoth | you dont want 3.x, you want 2.3.2 |
| 10:07.04 | kergoth | like i said |
| 10:07.13 | jaytee | downloading as we type :-) |
| 10:07.57 | kergoth | good good |
| 10:08.05 | aj2911 | jaytee, do let me know your results |
| 10:08.26 | aj2911 | domething happened here at my end: USB to Zaurus not working, am trying to figure that out |
| 10:08.29 | aj2911 | somethign |
| 10:13.39 | jaytee | shakin, bakin, and makin |
| 10:18.06 | aj2911 | VNC issue: When I connect to Z via VNC, the client comes up, does a refresh and dies !! |
| 10:18.08 | aj2911 | Any ideas ? |
| 10:19.06 | aj2911 | works fine after a few retries (VNC server halt, start) |
| 10:21.18 | aj2911 | ok, I got the "example" working on the Z :) Now I will go get something to eat ! |
| 10:22.38 | aj2911 | kergoth, jaytee, should I uninstall the rpms of old libraries before downloading and compiling them ? |
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| 10:30.32 | jaytee | aj2911: you should be able to just replace the old libs with the new ones (after checking links etc.) |
| 10:31.39 | benmeyer | ibook for 999 |
| 10:31.44 | benmeyer | drool |
| 10:35.58 | kergoth | ibook for 999?> |
| 10:36.42 | benmeyer | apple.com |
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| 10:42.00 | kergoth | hey Com[Plex |
| 10:43.15 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 10:43.15 | kergoth | heh |
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| 10:48.08 | ibz[work] | i take it there a legal reasons why we have applications such as hancomcreator, operacreator, jeodecreator... |
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| 10:48.55 | ibz[work] | as opposed to just posting an ipk up, or "sending" it to someone. right? |
| 10:49.12 | Twiun | yup |
| 10:50.10 | ibz[work] | hmmn...it's such a bitch having to reflash just to get the ipk's, in order to reflash again to get Oz back on... |
| 10:50.25 | ibz[work] | i guess you only have to do that once. |
| 10:50.38 | kergoth | ibz[work]: you can loopback mount the sharp rom and build them from it |
| 10:50.59 | ibz[work] | kergoth: what? come again. |
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| 10:51.49 | kergoth | ibz[work]: you can loopback mount the sharp rom |
| 10:52.00 | kergoth | ibz[work]: thn you can rip apart the creator ipks and tweak the scripts to run on a local dir rather than / |
| 10:52.12 | kergoth | ibz[work]: if this is greek to you, just flash sharp and do it that way |
| 10:52.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 10:52.21 | ibz[work] | ha |
| 10:52.35 | ibz[work] | flashing sharp ain't as interesting...this sounds like fun. |
| 10:52.51 | kergoth | download ospack |
| 10:52.54 | kergoth | run romburst on it |
| 10:53.04 | kergoth | then mount -t cramfs -o loop ./ROMDISK.BIN /path/to/mountpoint |
| 10:53.08 | kergoth | then cp -a it from there into another dir |
| 10:53.13 | kergoth | then extract the home, dev, var tarballs |
| 10:53.17 | kergoth | root/.dev_default.tar, etc |
| 10:53.45 | ibz[work] | wow, there i was thinking i could work it out myself...sheesh |
| 10:53.49 | kergoth | then extract the creator ipks, extract control.tar.gz from it |
| 10:53.54 | kergoth | theres a script in there called postinst |
| 10:54.01 | kergoth | that script is what does the work |
| 10:54.06 | kergoth | edit that, chagne the path it runs on |
| 10:54.09 | kergoth | boom, run it |
| 10:54.43 | benmeyer | bla |
| 10:54.48 | benmeyer | sf site seems to be down |
| 10:54.54 | benmeyer | I will work on the networksetup later |
| 10:55.11 | ibz[work] | kergoth: champion. thanx. |
| 10:55.32 | kergoth | what the fuck |
| 10:57.10 | bipolar | kergoth: I've figgured out how to get kde to build. It was pulling the wrong qt libs even though it looked like it was using the right ones. I had to use another flag when I ran ./configure |
| 10:57.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 10:57.34 | kergoth | --with-qt-libs=, --with-qt-includes=, --with-qt-dir |
| 10:57.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 10:58.59 | bipolar | kergoth: just --with-qt-libs |
| 10:59.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 11:02.18 | benmeyer | hehe apt-get update sure is taking a long time |
| 11:02.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 11:02.37 | kergoth | security and non-us timouts? |
| 11:02.47 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 11:02.48 | treke | security and non us were in a fire :) |
| 11:02.50 | benmeyer | just sitting there |
| 11:02.52 | benmeyer | yah saw |
| 11:02.57 | kergoth | yep |
| 11:03.06 | kergoth | saw on the devel news list and /. |
| 11:03.07 | kergoth | sucks |
| 11:03.14 | treke | it was on /.? |
| 11:03.36 | kergoth | yep |
| 11:03.37 | benmeyer | yup |
| 11:03.42 | treke | I guess this will now be an example of how open source sucks |
| 11:03.59 | treke | since a real company wouldnt have any down time when a data center catches fire |
| 11:04.12 | kergoth | hah |
| 11:04.50 | treke | haha |
| 11:04.51 | treke | "The admins of security.d.o should have known about firewalls... |
| 11:05.02 | aj2911 | jaytee: any update ? |
| 11:05.27 | benmeyer | indeed |
| 11:05.34 | benmeyer | I like the error message |
| 11:06.09 | Com[Plex | zsi down? |
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| 11:06.28 | benmeyer | lo0.ar5.enschede1.surf.net 3613: Nov 20 07:20:50.927 UTC: %ENV_MON-2-TEMP: Hotpoint temp sensor(slot 18) temperature has reached WARNING level at 61(C) |
| 11:06.29 | benmeyer | few seconds later on the local side: |
| 11:06.29 | benmeyer | lo0.cr2.amsterdam2.surf.net 1146: Nov 20 07:20:56.458 UTC: %CLNS-5-ADJCHANGE: ISIS: Adjacency to ar5.enschede1 (POS2/0) Down, interface deleted(non-iih) |
| 11:07.00 | benmeyer | really kinda sad |
| 11:07.12 | benmeyer | like someone last words before they die, but not knowing they are about to die |
| 11:07.36 | Com[Plex | someone told me I screwed up on the jeodecreator again. |
| 11:07.39 | benmeyer | like, "man the ground is shaking, good thing I am in a cave to be safe" |
| 11:08.20 | Com[Plex | when I changed the path around for coup so it would work with his /home on the sd card. I screwed it up by not changeing one of the parts.. |
| 11:13.26 | aj2911 | kergoth, I got qpe-1.4.0.tar.gz from sf.net, for libqt, which do I need to download from ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qt/source |
| 11:13.31 | kergoth | aj2911: no. |
| 11:13.37 | kergoth | aj2911: the zaurus is 1.5.0, you need 1.5.0 or higher. |
| 11:13.42 | kergoth | aj2911: i told you, get it from qtopia cvs |
| 11:13.49 | kergoth | aj2911: or you can grab the qtopia sd src.rpm |
| 11:15.00 | benmeyer | Com[Plex: so does it need to be fixed or not? |
| 11:15.28 | aj2911 | kergoth, which server is the CVS for Qtopia ? |
| 11:15.38 | kergoth | aj2911: ? |
| 11:15.41 | kergoth | aj2911: um, cvs.sf.net |
| 11:15.54 | aj2911 | d'oh |
| 11:16.14 | aj2911 | i did a search for qtopia on www.sf.net, the projrct did not come up, as asked.... |
| 11:16.18 | kergoth | eh? |
| 11:16.22 | kergoth | sf.net/projects/qpe/ |
| 11:16.27 | kergoth | i pasted that url quite some time aog |
| 11:16.28 | kergoth | ago |
| 11:16.30 | kergoth | scroll up |
| 11:16.45 | benmeyer | I always though that Debian was scaled. i.e. debian.org wasn't just 1 machine but 30 all over and when you connected you got the one with the least load |
| 11:17.02 | kergoth | benmeyer: that would be the smart way of doing it. |
| 11:17.14 | Com[Plex | ben, I fixed it again. lol |
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| 11:20.20 | omoore | also... are u on a cablemoem/dsl? |
| 11:20.59 | omoore | some isp companies, cox for example, block port 80 altogether |
| 11:21.04 | benmeyer | unkown host 256k.net |
| 11:22.12 | Com[Plex | wtf |
| 11:22.27 | Com[Plex | dont tell me our domane expired.. |
| 11:22.29 | Com[Plex | oh no |
| 11:23.26 | Com[Plex | ARGH! |
| 11:23.37 | Com[Plex | I cant get anything to fucking resolve! |
| 11:23.42 | jaytee | aj2911: the default download from sourceforge seems to be 2.4.0 |
| 11:23.45 | jaytee | (qpe) |
| 11:24.15 | aj2911 | jaytee, I think, its 1.4 |
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| 11:25.06 | aj2911 | jaytee: kergoth recommended to get 1.5 from QPE CVS: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/qpe/ |
| 11:25.30 | aj2911 | the docs at http://qpe.sourceforge.net/ seem interesting... |
| 11:25.53 | jaytee | aj2911: the CVS source is 1.5.0 |
| 11:26.09 | jaytee | er um.. i meant 1.4 above ;-) |
| 11:26.19 | aj2911 | jaytee: so we download the whole CVS tree ? |
| 11:26.23 | aj2911 | thats fine :) |
| 11:26.43 | omoore | sorry for my what proly seemd confused replies earlier up.. sent to wrong channel :-O |
| 11:27.11 | jaytee | aj2911: I did |
| 11:27.24 | aj2911 | http://qpe.sourceforge.net/build.html lists steps to download and build from source |
| 11:27.41 | aj2911 | jaytee: really, thats cool :) did you get it to work ? |
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| 11:39.48 | jaytee | aj2911: not yet... i need qt-x11-free for uic |
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| 11:46.14 | aj2911 | sorry for the dumb question, but what exactly is QT and QPE ? whats the difference, if any ? |
| 11:46.38 | aj2911 | and why / where does trolltech come into the picture ? |
| 11:46.40 | treke | QT is the gui toolkit |
| 11:46.56 | treke | QPE is a set of apps and some libraries written using QT |
| 11:47.00 | treke | Trolltech wrote both |
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| 11:48.03 | tboc | lo |
| 11:48.23 | benmeyer | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=B5E2DBX8XA76E5B4E41884CA49A1DX97&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=46969§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 11:48.24 | aj2911 | so, trolltech wrote QT and QPE, then released them at sf.net ??? |
| 11:48.32 | treke | yes |
| 11:49.02 | kergoth | aj2911: www.trolltech.com |
| 11:49.04 | kergoth | aj2911: read up |
| 11:49.11 | aj2911 | thanks for the explanation treke :) |
| 11:49.28 | benmeyer | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=B5E2DBX8XA76E5B4E41884CA49A1DX97&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=45015§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 11:49.36 | benmeyer | hmm is the a frontend to mplayer? |
| 11:50.54 | benmeyer | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=B5E2DBX8XA76E5B4E41884CA49A1DX97&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=47102§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 11:50.55 | benmeyer | sweet |
| 11:51.09 | benmeyer | Just what I always need |
| 11:51.11 | tboc | benmeyer: wow ;P |
| 11:51.23 | treke | wow. and its java :) |
| 11:51.28 | kergoth | lol |
| 11:51.45 | benmeyer | man some fine snaza those java developers put out |
| 11:51.47 | tboc | treke: so it's guaranteed to be slow erm to work flawlessly ;P |
| 11:52.09 | tboc | "please wait. calculating ..." |
| 11:52.14 | aj2911 | DAMN!!!! Mandrake 9, does not install CVS in the base system !!! :( |
| 11:52.25 | kergoth | aj2911: lol |
| 11:52.35 | treke | so install it seperatly. Debian doesnt either, didnt stop me from getting it |
| 11:52.36 | benmeyer | aj2911: use Debian |
| 11:52.48 | benmeyer | apt-get install cvs |
| 11:52.52 | benmeyer | done |
| 11:52.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 11:54.10 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=706 |
| 11:54.14 | benmeyer | bla already submited |
| 11:54.37 | aj2911 | ya, good that I have my Mandrake CDs today |
| 11:54.57 | treke | cds? What are cds? |
| 11:55.02 | kergoth | cds, blah |
| 11:55.06 | aj2911 | :) |
| 11:55.08 | kergoth | network install! |
| 11:55.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:55.09 | treke | I thought only music came on cds |
| 11:55.50 | aj2911 | my laptop is not always connected, poor people like me don't have cable internet at home :( |
| 11:56.03 | aj2911 | treke: good one :) |
| 11:56.28 | numatrix | benmeyer: you can approve on zsi, can't you? The queue is getting a little long... |
| 11:56.59 | aj2911 | so, I take it that the QPE tree that I just download from SF's CVS, contains libqpe somewhere |
| 11:57.01 | treke | did I see what i think I saw in the queue |
| 11:57.26 | kergoth | aj2911: qpe/library/ |
| 11:57.29 | numatrix | treke: Nope, definitely didn't. |
| 11:57.31 | treke | oh yeah. screw opie-sh |
| 11:57.38 | treke | tiny-scheme to the rescue |
| 11:57.41 | Twiun | lol... thinlets on the Z... hahaha |
| 11:57.51 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 11:57.58 | Twiun | unless they've improved the performance tenfold, that's a dead duck |
| 11:58.09 | treke | oh wait. that isnt qpe bindings for scheme. darn |
| 11:58.11 | aj2911 | wow, got it :) |
| 11:58.12 | numatrix | Twiun: it sure looks nice |
| 11:58.21 | numatrix | treke: Yeah, looks like just an interface. |
| 11:58.34 | treke | had my hopes up :) |
| 11:58.50 | Twiun | numatrix: Oh, it is nice - but it's meant for web applets - so they've sacrificed speed for size |
| 11:59.08 | numatrix | Yuck. Doesn't sound promising for a pda... |
| 11:59.09 | aj2911 | kergoth, can I install only libqper from the package, or do I need to install the whole thing ? |
| 11:59.10 | Twiun | numatrix: severely - there's no component class hierarchy - it's all simulated |
| 11:59.17 | kergoth | aj2911: eh? |
| 11:59.22 | kergoth | aj2911: i dont know what you mean by 'install' |
| 11:59.25 | Twiun | numatrix: one class fits all |
| 11:59.30 | kergoth | aj2911: there is no 'install' |
| 11:59.35 | kergoth | aj2911: its source. you compile it. |
| 11:59.37 | numatrix | Twiun: Yeah, that definitely doesn't sound architectured for a pda. |
| 12:00.02 | aj2911 | kergoth: sorry, by install, I meant "./configure; make; make install" |
| 12:00.08 | kergoth | no |
| 12:00.13 | kergoth | aj2911: there is no make install. |
| 12:00.38 | treke | and its more than just ./configure |
| 12:00.48 | Twiun | numatrix: at least it's gpl'd and the source is available... could be worse |
| 12:00.52 | kergoth | ibot: tell aj2911 about rtfm |
| 12:00.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 12:01.02 | aj2911 | :) |
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| 12:04.14 | kergoth | terke! |
| 12:05.00 | treke | it reaches that far? Lucky guy |
| 12:05.02 | guised | could anyone tell me how to make oz like the flinder's rom... i tried using the commands on openzaurus, and... for some reason, oz can't copy the file |
| 12:05.12 | aj2911 | ooh, that must hurt :) |
| 12:05.16 | numatrix | treke: I don't think it did before ibot stretched 'em. |
| 12:05.20 | kergoth | guised: read the faq. |
| 12:05.32 | kergoth | guised: chances are your card isnt ext2 or something |
| 12:05.40 | guised | its gotta be ext2? |
| 12:05.41 | guised | ahhh |
| 12:06.00 | kergoth | :) |
| 12:08.25 | Neo|Work | MSR is very cool. :P |
| 12:08.36 | Neo|Work | and, to the joy of everyone, not as hard as RocketElite |
| 12:08.49 | aj2911 | is QT-X11 a requirement for building QPE ? anyone ? |
| 12:09.10 | kergoth | aj2911: no. |
| 12:09.15 | kergoth | aj2911: well, uic from it is |
| 12:09.17 | kergoth | aj2911: but thats it |
| 12:09.21 | kergoth | Neo|Work: nice |
| 12:09.44 | aj2911 | kergoth, will I need to install in to compile QPE ? |
| 12:09.53 | jaytee | aj2911: that's why I'm getting it... might as well anyway :-) |
| 12:09.54 | kergoth | aj2911: ? |
| 12:10.00 | jaytee | uic |
| 12:10.02 | kergoth | aj2911: you need uic from it in your qt/e bin dir |
| 12:10.02 | aj2911 | :) |
| 12:10.44 | aj2911 | ok, so, if I untar QT-X11 and copy the uic file in /opt/Qtopia/bin, everything should work, right ? |
| 12:11.47 | kergoth | eh? |
| 12:11.49 | kergoth | uic is a binary |
| 12:12.02 | kergoth | if you untar qt/x11 sources, you better compile uic |
| 12:12.05 | kergoth | -then- copy it |
| 12:12.18 | aj2911 | ok, thanks :) |
| 12:12.35 | aj2911 | aaarhhhh, jaytee trying to scare me...... |
| 12:12.52 | jaytee | aj2911: my machine is no speed-demon |
| 12:13.07 | aj2911 | same here |
| 12:13.20 | jaytee | aj2911: 800 MHZ P3 |
| 12:13.36 | benmeyer | fixed a number of hancom creator bugs |
| 12:13.46 | aj2911 | hmm, mine "laptop" is 1100 MHz, P3 |
| 12:14.06 | aj2911 | somehow, it feels that laptops *always* run slower than comparable desktop |
| 12:14.12 | jaytee | when i had a laptop, it was faster thyan my home desktop (where i am now) |
| 12:14.24 | jaytee | aj2911: they usually do |
| 12:14.30 | jaytee | speed-step |
| 12:14.36 | benmeyer | hehe my zaurus is almost as fast as my high end desktop |
| 12:14.38 | jaytee | (isn't that it?) |
| 12:14.48 | aj2911 | yup |
| 12:16.19 | benmeyer | window 3.1 actually wasn't that slow |
| 12:16.22 | benmeyer | that is the odd thing |
| 12:16.22 | benmeyer | ;-D |
| 12:16.23 | aj2911 | :) |
| 12:16.42 | aj2911 | Are QPE and Qtopia the same ? |
| 12:16.52 | treke | aj2911: yes |
| 12:16.54 | benmeyer | ah, nothing like trying to view porn on a black and white 386 laptop at 640x480 on aol |
| 12:17.04 | aj2911 | cool :) |
| 12:17.20 | jaytee | benmeyer: lunchbox portables! |
| 12:17.34 | jaytee | lugables |
| 12:18.56 | jaytee | the oldest portable computer i had was an apple IIc with an lcd screen and a huge battery all in a case (about 1985) |
| 12:20.02 | benmeyer | the 386 was my first real computer (ti-83 almost counts) |
| 12:20.02 | kergoth | first computer i had was a tandy t1000hx |
| 12:20.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 12:20.03 | jaytee | the first computer i owned was a sinclair zx-80 ;-> |
| 12:20.08 | kergoth | hah |
| 12:20.17 | jaytee | and i still have it |
| 12:20.23 | jaytee | and it still works! |
| 12:20.48 | benmeyer | the ti-83 has a sudo basic programing language. I spent weeks tweaking programs to make them run a little faster, to make the gotos shorter etc and then I learned asm... |
| 12:20.52 | benmeyer | all downhill from then |
| 12:21.29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 12:21.42 | DaJoker | hehe.. I had an IBM system23 mini in my parents garage.. 8" floppies.. |
| 12:21.53 | jaytee | there was a book for sinclairs that taught z-80 asm by writing a pong program... in 2K |
| 12:22.24 | benmeyer | I learned all sorts of cool "special effects" for the screen that I could have happen purly based upon how fast/slow a operation was in combination with another. |
| 12:22.45 | kergoth | benmeyer: i remember doing that on my ti-85 |
| 12:25.21 | benmeyer | I wrote a crypto app that would distroy the message as it was being outputed so you only go to see it once |
| 12:26.06 | benmeyer | I wrote a message and gave it to someone, who then turns out made a memory copy to someone else etc on till two years later when I found someone who had all my old freshmen apps and I got to decrypt my message to myself |
| 12:26.40 | benmeyer | typing in stuff was anoying though |
| 12:26.41 | benmeyer | haha |
| 12:33.38 | aj2911 | kergoth: does working with gcc3.2 means that *all* external libraries will need to be re-compiled to work with this system ? |
| 12:33.51 | kergoth | aj2911: no |
| 12:33.59 | kergoth | aj2911: all c++ stuff, yes |
| 12:34.02 | aj2911 | :-/ |
| 12:34.37 | aj2911 | hmm, so libqt and libqpe are c++ stuff |
| 12:35.02 | aj2911 | what is "libqte" for ? |
| 12:35.46 | kergoth | qt/embedded |
| 12:35.51 | kergoth | libqpe uses qt/e |
| 12:35.52 | kergoth | not qt |
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| 12:37.11 | aj2911 | ooh, ok |
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| 12:37.40 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 12:38.22 | benmeyer | hi there |
| 12:38.49 | aj2911 | can any one send me "uic" ? "make" on qt-x11-free-3.1.0 failed on my machine |
| 12:38.56 | kergoth | eh? |
| 12:38.58 | kergoth | nononono |
| 12:39.02 | kergoth | you must build 2.3.2 |
| 12:39.05 | kergoth | uic from qt3 will b0rk |
| 12:39.09 | kergoth | hey BigBoss |
| 12:39.11 | aj2911 | kernel/qt_x11.h:64:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:39.12 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 12:39.23 | benmeyer | a l337 b0rk? |
| 12:39.27 | aj2911 | hmm, ok |
| 12:39.49 | kergoth | aj2911: install your x11 headers |
| 12:40.07 | kergoth | j,, |
| 12:40.08 | kergoth | hmm |
| 12:40.10 | kergoth | /mnt/ibm/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include/asm/spinlock.h:4: #error ARM architecture does not support SMP spin locks |
| 12:40.17 | benmeyer | apt-get install x-dev |
| 12:40.21 | kergoth | okay, note to self: dont compile apmsleep for arm |
| 12:42.26 | aj2911 | kergoth: 2.3.2 for QT-X11 also ? |
| 12:44.08 | kergoth | aj2911: yes. |
| 12:45.05 | benmeyer | would you tell your so your root pw? |
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| 12:45.11 | kergoth | benmeyer: helll no |
| 12:45.46 | benmeyer | would about a fakeroot acount? |
| 12:46.25 | jaytee | aj2911: did you get qpe to build? |
| 12:46.28 | chouimat | back |
| 12:47.21 | benmeyer | I like passwords that are questions, so in the event that someone sees or hears what it is they will think that the password is the anwer to the question and not the password itself |
| 12:47.38 | benmeyer | and they are generally long and easy to remember |
| 12:47.44 | aj2911 | jaytee: yes, I got qpe, right now I am building qt-x11 2.3.2 |
| 12:47.54 | jaytee | aj2911: did it compile? |
| 12:48.02 | benmeyer | except in the case such as kde2's screensaver which didn't know how to deal with "?" |
| 12:48.13 | jaytee | aj2911: ohh... guess not if your getting qt-x11 now |
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| 12:48.27 | aj2911 | well, first I download qt-x11 3.something, which did not compile as I did not have X11 headers |
| 12:48.37 | jaytee | aj2911: i'm still errorring on qpe compile |
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| 12:48.47 | aj2911 | so downloaded 2.3.2 and am installing X11 headers |
| 12:49.04 | aj2911 | jaytee: what error are you getting ? |
| 12:51.50 | | | /home/jt/Coding/qt-x11-2.3.2/include/qdict.h:78: explicit specialization in |
| 12:51.51 | | | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.51 | | | /home/jt/Coding/qpe/include/qpe/qpedecoration_qws.h:75: confused by earlier errors, bailing out |
| 12:51.51 | | | make[1]: *** [global.o] Error 1 |
| 12:51.51 | | | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jt/Coding/qpe/library' |
| 12:51.52 | | | make: *** [library] Error 2 |
| 12:51.54 | | | [ |
| 12:52.55 | | | menubutton.cpp:128: default argument given for parameter 2 of `void |
| 12:52.55 | | | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.55 | | | menubutton.h:38: after previous specification in `void |
| 12:52.55 | | | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.55 | | | make[1]: *** [menubutton.o] Error 1 |
| 12:52.56 | | | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jt/Coding/qpe/library' |
| 12:52.58 | | | make: *** [library] Error 2 |
| 12:53.12 | jaytee | originally I got the last stuff there |
| 12:53.47 | aj2911 | jaytee: I have no idea, sorry, perhaps someone as enlightened as kergoth might be able to help... |
| 12:54.28 | kergoth | I havent tried building qt/x11 2.3.2 with gcc3.2 before, i have built qt/e 2.3.4 with gcc3.2 |
| 12:54.32 | kergoth | not certain |
| 12:57.01 | Com[Plex | hey kerg |
| 12:57.08 | Com[Plex | I just fired off an email to the lists. |
| 12:57.11 | Com[Plex | with 1.6 |
| 12:57.14 | aj2911 | jaytee: did qt-x11 built ok on your machine ? |
| 12:57.15 | Com[Plex | jeodecreator |
| 12:57.30 | kergoth | Com[Plex: nice |
| 12:57.31 | jaytee | kergoth: perhaps applying the patch will help :-) |
| 12:57.37 | kergoth | jaytee: thats a patch for qt/e, not qt/x11. |
| 12:57.40 | jaytee | aj2911: yes |
| 12:57.52 | jaytee | kergoth: right |
| 12:58.01 | jaytee | kergoth: I had not applied it |
| 12:58.08 | jaytee | for qt/e |
| 12:58.11 | kergoth | ? |
| 12:58.16 | kergoth | i thought your compile jis failing in qt/x11? |
| 12:58.23 | jaytee | i built qt/e - no problem |
| 12:58.31 | kergoth | eh? |
| 12:58.32 | jaytee | i built qt/x11 - no problem |
| 12:58.42 | jaytee | no... qpe is failing |
| 12:58.50 | kergoth | uhm |
| 12:58.50 | kergoth | dood |
| 12:58.55 | kergoth | you need to set QTDIR to the qt/e dir |
| 12:58.58 | aj2911 | jaytee, which version of QT-X11 did u build ? |
| 12:59.00 | kergoth | not qt/x11 |
| 12:59.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 12:59.19 | Com[Plex | Ijust ate a bite of one o my habanaros. holy god |
| 12:59.20 | jaytee | that's when i get the lower errors... |
| 12:59.34 | Com[Plex | 4H7O8T |
| 12:59.37 | jaytee | the menubutton ones |
| 12:59.52 | jaytee | aj2911: qt-x11-232 |
| 13:00.34 | aj2911 | hmm, did u apply the qte232-for-qpe150.patch to qpe ? |
| 13:01.59 | kergoth | geh |
| 13:02.02 | kergoth | those patches are for qt/e |
| 13:02.03 | kergoth | not qpe |
| 13:02.37 | jaytee | er um i applied qte232-for-qpe150.patch |
| 13:02.52 | kergoth | jaytee: oh, i didnt actually read those errors |
| 13:03.04 | kergoth | jaytee: those are things that prevent qtopia from compiling with gcc3.2 |
| 13:03.08 | kergoth | jaytee: either fix them, or give up |
| 13:03.13 | jaytee | ahhh |
| 13:03.24 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 13:03.25 | BigBoss | YUM, habanaros |
| 13:03.37 | kergoth | gcc3.2 requires default argument in the declaration, not the implementation |
| 13:03.38 | BigBoss | I have some habanaros rub that I use for steaks sometimes - super hot |
| 13:03.40 | jaytee | well... maybe after i go to the postoffice |
| 13:03.44 | kergoth | remove the default argument from the .cpp, leave it in the .h |
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| 13:04.35 | BigBoss | chouimat: got the new Sympohny X along with about a half dozen other CD's, haven't listened yet |
| 13:04.42 | jaytee | and now i have the patch in too :-) |
| 13:04.50 | aj2911 | :) |
| 13:05.16 | chouimat | BigBoss: what here the others? |
| 13:05.44 | kergoth | jaytee, aj2911: opie had those little gcc3 issues fixed already, apparently TT hasnt done so in qtopia yet |
| 13:05.49 | BigBoss | steve howe, iron maiden, virgin steele, jean luc ponty, kansas and california guitar trio |
| 13:06.32 | chouimat | BigBoss: iron maiden is a compilation of greatest hits no? |
| 13:06.54 | aj2911 | does that mean we will not be able to use gcc3 ? |
| 13:06.56 | BigBoss | Eddies Archive - I think so, I haven't looked at it yet really |
| 13:07.39 | kergoth | aj2911: i just told you what that means |
| 13:07.46 | aj2911 | :) |
| 13:07.49 | kergoth | 14:14 <@kergoth> jaytee: those are things that prevent qtopia from compiling |
| 13:07.49 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.50 | kergoth | 14:14 <@kergoth> jaytee: either fix them, or give up |
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| 13:08.23 | chouimat1234 | hi |
| 13:08.24 | BigBoss | chouimat: this seems to be a promo of a new boxed set of 6CD's with unreleased material |
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| 13:08.29 | BigBoss | lie b sides and live stuff |
| 13:08.34 | chouimat1234 | BigBoss: ok |
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| 13:09.37 | aj2911 | jaytee: would you be fixing these errors ? |
| 13:10.07 | jaytee | aj2911: actually, i'll be out picking my son from school |
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| 13:10.16 | jaytee | but i might later ;-> |
| 13:10.20 | aj2911 | jaytee: ok :) |
| 13:11.26 | chouimat | brb must reboot |
| 13:17.03 | treke | 'normal'? |
| 13:17.35 | kergoth | jt_errands: eh? |
| 13:18.06 | Com[Plex | grr |
| 13:18.14 | Com[Plex | aqpkg isnt seeing my ipks on my cf card |
| 13:18.21 | Com[Plex | is there a trick to get them to show up again? |
| 13:18.26 | kergoth | Com[Plex: screwed with your mediummount settings? |
| 13:18.28 | jt_errands | like not 3.2 but 2.95 or so |
| 13:18.32 | kergoth | Com[Plex: if they arent on the docs tab, they wont be in aqpkg |
| 13:18.46 | treke | jt_errands: 3.2 is a normal gcc |
| 13:18.46 | Com[Plex | must be |
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| 13:19.33 | jt_errands | alright.... an old gcc |
| 13:19.58 | Com[Plex | man, that pepper gave me the worst hickups |
| 13:19.58 | chouimat | back |
| 13:20.01 | Com[Plex | hiccups |
| 13:20.07 | treke | Its easier to recompile qt and qtopia, then gcc :) |
| 13:20.26 | jfm3 | Is there any gtkish stuff on the Z? |
| 13:20.49 | benmeyer | no |
| 13:20.57 | jfm3 | poo |
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| 13:32.41 | hardwire | boogie woogie woogie |
| 13:32.48 | benmeyer | MooooOoo |
| 13:32.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:32.59 | hardwire | cow boogies? |
| 13:33.17 | benmeyer | no, cows have good karma |
| 13:33.23 | hardwire | and meat |
| 13:33.23 | kergoth | hm, 3 more hours here |
| 13:33.34 | benmeyer | 2:30 there? |
| 13:33.41 | kergoth | yeap |
| 13:33.52 | benmeyer | Don't you hate it when you are 5 cents short for a soda |
| 13:33.53 | benmeyer | bla |
| 13:33.54 | hardwire | scary to think kergoth is only an hour ahead of me |
| 13:34.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 13:34.22 | kergoth | shit i forgot neale's apm wrapper and apmd patch |
| 13:34.26 | kergoth | without those i cant ditch atd |
| 13:37.56 | kergoth | hardwire: bastard! |
| 13:38.18 | Neo|Work | kergoth: know of anyone running OpenZaurus where /usr and/or /opt are mounted from a SD card? |
| 13:38.36 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yep. theres even a howto on doing so in the faq |
| 13:38.45 | Neo|Work | I was thinking that it'd be nice if I put /usr, /opt and /home on SD and then used symlinks to put them in their right place |
| 13:38.54 | kergoth | yep |
| 13:38.56 | kergoth | dont do /usr though |
| 13:38.59 | kergoth | read the faq |
| 13:39.00 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 13:39.26 | Neo|Work | I am sure I could also figure it out myself. :P |
| 13:39.46 | DaJoker | yeah, don't do /usr |
| 13:39.49 | DaJoker | bad idea.. |
| 13:39.51 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 13:40.16 | DaJoker | /usr/bin and /usr/lib can't be on the SD.. /usr/share, /usr/local, etc can be though |
| 13:40.42 | Neo|Work | DaJoker: and why is that? |
| 13:40.50 | Neo|Work | because it's not mounted at boot? |
| 13:41.00 | DaJoker | yep |
| 13:41.23 | Neo|Work | it'd be better if all required-at-boot-before-mounting binaries were in /bin/, /lib etc |
| 13:41.31 | Neo|Work | just like a typical Debian |
| 13:41.38 | kergoth | Neo|Work: that should be the case. |
| 13:41.42 | kergoth | Neo|Work: if it isnt, its broken |
| 13:42.02 | kergoth | Neo|Work: thing is |
| 13:42.08 | kergoth | Neo|Work: sd isnt mounted by fstab on boot. |
| 13:42.13 | kergoth | Neo|Work: its mounted by the sdmmc startup script |
| 13:42.22 | kergoth | Neo|Work: and the sd module is loaded by that script as well, not by /etc/modules |
| 13:42.57 | DaJoker | kergoth: no, I have modified mine to mount on boot.. still doesn't work.. there are busybox things that are in /usr/bin that shouldn't be.. |
| 13:43.05 | kergoth | DaJoker: such as? |
| 13:43.11 | DaJoker | [ in particular |
| 13:43.24 | kergoth | [? so we cant do tests without /usr? |
| 13:43.26 | kergoth | thats fucking stupid |
| 13:43.29 | DaJoker | yep |
| 13:43.36 | kergoth | i'll have to pester erik |
| 13:44.00 | Neo|Work | any problem with /usr on SD should however be fixable. :) |
| 13:44.06 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yes |
| 13:44.11 | DaJoker | yep.. they should |
| 13:44.23 | Neo|Work | and btw, if you haven't already, throw the busybox top away and use a real top. :P |
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| 13:58.37 | moot | does anyone have a link to a cf-slot extender? i remember someone linking one here, it pretty much looked like a really small ide cable but just extended the cf slot |
| 13:58.47 | moot | i was guessing i could use that with a microdrive so i wouldnt fry my z :P |
| 14:00.03 | benmeyer | the microdrive wont fry the z |
| 14:00.04 | benmeyer | I have one |
| 14:00.05 | benmeyer | and use it |
| 14:00.22 | benmeyer | works great |
| 14:00.26 | benmeyer | course uses a lot of power |
| 14:00.29 | benmeyer | so.. |
| 14:00.36 | hardwire | dear lord.. jerry springer.. heh.. |
| 14:00.52 | Wintre | God help us all |
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| 14:02.04 | edgar | gif support seems to be off in the qtopia-free SDK rpm binary from trolltech right? |
| 14:02.19 | benmeyer | use png |
| 14:02.19 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 14:02.29 | edgar | i need to convert gif to png though |
| 14:02.42 | edgar | my app does |
| 14:02.44 | hardwire | convert |
| 14:03.20 | edgar | my qpe app needs to do the converting in this case |
| 14:03.21 | treke | edgar: Doing so requires a pantent license |
| 14:03.35 | edgar | hmm, right |
| 14:03.39 | edgar | thats a problem |
| 14:04.05 | edgar | my app needs to download gif and convert it to png for use |
| 14:04.16 | moot | ben: i emailed sharp and they said donnttt use it, but youre using it fine? they just run pretty hot |
| 14:04.35 | edgar | any ideas how to do that without using qt's gif support |
| 14:04.35 | moot | whats the battery life like with your z with it? are you using oz3? |
| 14:12.23 | edgar | if i compiled a qpe sdk myself with gif support enabled, would the app have gif support on a standard Qtopia installation? |
| 14:12.33 | treke | edgar: no |
| 14:13.08 | treke | maybe if you statically link with qt and qtopia |
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| 14:20.18 | treke | ljp_work: the more I look at it, tkc memo is pretty close to the app I'm looking for :) |
| 14:21.40 | numatrix | Neo|Work: so, going to have an MSR demo out in a few days, you think? |
| 14:26.04 | Neo|Work | numatrix: perhaps |
| 14:26.16 | Neo|Work | not unlikely |
| 14:26.30 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 14:26.34 | numatrix | Cool. I'm going to download the windows demo to psyche myself up for it. :-) |
| 14:26.49 | Neo|Work | you have a win-pda too? |
| 14:26.55 | Neo|Work | or do you like dual boot or something? |
| 14:27.10 | numatrix | Neo|Work: windows desktop, that is. |
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| 14:28.52 | Neo|Work | ahah |
| 14:28.53 | Neo|Work | right |
| 14:30.12 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Figure that's a good way to try it out. |
| 14:30.50 | Neo|Work | hrm. win-demo doesn't work for me |
| 14:30.54 | Neo|Work | "unable to create window" |
| 14:30.56 | Neo|Work | or something |
| 14:32.48 | numatrix | Wierd. I'm on linux at work, so I've got to wait until I head home tonight to try it out. |
| 14:32.57 | tux_mike | neo: what's the new beta... i messed up my procmail rule for the EonGames list, and the mail got routed to the Void |
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| 14:34.30 | jaytee | fileselector.cpp:534:28: fileselector.moc: No such file or directory |
| 14:34.35 | jaytee | arghhhh |
| 14:37.56 | jaytee | anyone know why I don't have a fileselector.moc file? |
| 14:38.37 | BigBoss | you left it at the grocery store? |
| 14:39.01 | jaytee | :-) |
| 14:39.11 | jaytee | only went to the post office tho |
| 14:39.34 | jaytee | is make supposed to create it in qpe compilation? |
| 14:39.53 | kergoth | jaytee: it runs moc to generate the .moc |
| 14:39.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:41.00 | jaytee | hrmmmm doesn't seem to have made the fileselector.moc |
| 14:41.02 | noda | Harlekin: Do you have any newer versions of op2 that I could test out? :) |
| 14:41.14 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: MSR |
| 14:42.47 | jaytee | i see a moc_fileselector.cpp as part of SRCMOC.... but no fileselector.moc is created |
| 14:47.19 | tux_mike | fix your makefile to compile moc_*.cpp |
| 14:47.23 | tux_mike | that's the proper way |
| 14:47.44 | ljp_work | use tmake to generate the Makefile |
| 14:47.46 | jaytee | fix qpe's makefile to do it you mean :-) |
| 14:47.58 | jaytee | ahhh right |
| 14:48.55 | tboc | naja, gn8 |
| 14:49.05 | tboc | morgen wird ein langer tag :| |
| 14:49.09 | tboc | echan |
| 14:49.20 | tboc | *sighÜ |
| 14:49.45 | benmeyer | hehe, an mpeg video is linked on /. |
| 14:50.15 | jaytee | but wait... there's already a Makefile here in the qpe stuff |
| 14:50.19 | noda | lol, everyone click on it! :) |
| 14:50.30 | treke | the site is already dead :) |
| 14:50.34 | tux_mike | ben: that's bad |
| 14:50.40 | treke | rather cute error though :) |
| 14:50.41 | noda | Bah :P |
| 14:50.45 | noda | What was the error? |
| 14:51.16 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.16 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.16 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.16 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.23 | tux_mike | lol |
| 14:51.39 | noda | Oh, I thought you meant the computer error that made the rocket drop after 100 feet :P |
| 14:51.51 | benmeyer | well the power was cut |
| 14:51.51 | noda | (null pointer? Buffer overflow? :P) |
| 14:51.55 | benmeyer | from the vibrations |
| 14:51.55 | noda | Oh |
| 14:52.00 | benmeyer | or something like that |
| 14:52.10 | benmeyer | no computer control.... |
| 14:52.21 | noda | Heh, that'd do it :P |
| 14:52.22 | treke | noda: sounds like the battery for the computers was disconnected by vibration |
| 14:52.31 | noda | What a shame :( |
| 14:52.44 | benmeyer | hehe, they shoudl have used a Zaurus |
| 14:53.20 | prpplague | benmeyer: ha, have read some of the programming errors by nasa? |
| 14:53.35 | benmeyer | nope |
| 14:53.48 | benmeyer | but from what I understand, nasa code is mighty clean |
| 14:54.05 | benmeyer | a place where working at the end of the day you would be proud of your work |
| 14:54.19 | benmeyer | rather then trying to get feature x in and ignoring bug z |
| 14:54.20 | ljp_work | unlike Sharp ? |
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| 15:04.42 | prpplague | ljp_work: ya ya i can't spell |
| 15:04.59 | ljp_work | hehehe me either, I cant type is my problem |
| 15:07.11 | jaytee | qpe 1.4.0 doesn't have the same fileselector.moc problem as qpe 1.5.0 does (when compiling under gcc 3.2) |
| 15:07.55 | ljp_work | heh your compiling qpe with gcc3? |
| 15:08.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:08.05 | kergoth | ljp_work: he's feeling masochistic |
| 15:08.19 | ljp_work | send patches to qpe-devel |
| 15:10.28 | jaytee | i have some spare time :-) |
| 15:11.01 | jaytee | kergoth: your sure i need 1.5 though ? |
| 15:11.20 | jaytee | 1.4 would be easier |
| 15:11.37 | kergoth | i'd say build opie, since its libqpe is BC with the qtopia libqpe |
| 15:11.38 | kergoth | ;) |
| 15:12.44 | jaytee | but the 1.4 libqpe is not ok? |
| 15:12.59 | kergoth | i doubt it |
| 15:13.03 | jaytee | fart |
| 15:14.16 | treke | jaytee: no. use 1.5 |
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| 15:23.54 | jaytee | kergoth: where's opie's libqpe? |
| 15:24.02 | jaytee | sourse |
| 15:24.03 | kergoth | jaytee: opie/library/ |
| 15:24.07 | kergoth | jaytee: opie.handhelds.org |
| 15:24.12 | jaytee | ok |
| 15:24.12 | kergoth | jaytee: click the source code link |
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| 15:24.34 | kergoth | or jsut cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs co -P opie |
| 15:24.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:27.28 | sheenmaster | quick question: Should I go with bluetooth or 802.11b to wirelessly connect my Debian laptop to my Zaurus 5500(just won on ebay, hasn't been shipped yet)? I don't have cf or usb devices for either yet. |
| 15:31.00 | tux_mike | get WiFi and an AP |
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| 15:35.28 | jaytee | kergoth: that's what i did ;-) |
| 15:36.02 | jaytee | wow... pretty big |
| 15:36.17 | jaytee | i suppose its for everyone tho... not just zaurii |
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| 15:48.06 | jaytee | kergoth: you still there? |
| 15:49.46 | jaytee | kergoth: when I'm making this opie, does it make a difference what platform if I'm just interested (right now) in the libqpe library? |
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| 15:51.56 | kergoth | jaytee: er, i thought you were building for x86? |
| 15:52.05 | kergoth | jaytee: if so, just ./configure; make library; |
| 15:53.19 | jaytee | well.... eventually i might be interested in others ;-) |
| 15:53.39 | kergoth | jaytee: you can play with the new buildsystem if you're feeling enterprising. make -f Makefile.test menuconfig; make -f Makefile.test; |
| 15:53.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:54.10 | treke | hmm. good idea |
| 15:57.54 | jaytee | kergoth: the opie page mentions havnig a coffee or a meal while compiling, think it's ok to substitute a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale? |
| 15:58.06 | kergoth | jaytee: i'm sure that'll do ;) |
| 15:58.46 | jaytee | by the way, 'make library' seems quite happy |
| 15:58.57 | kergoth | cool col |
| 15:58.57 | kergoth | cool |
| 15:59.38 | treke | kergoth: this is cool |
| 15:59.54 | jaytee | it compiles! |
| 16:00.06 | kergoth | jaytee: hehe |
| 16:00.09 | kergoth | jaytee: yep |
| 16:03.26 | jaytee | hey... there's a new libqpe-1.5.0 in my ../qt-embedded-2.3.2 :-) |
| 16:03.37 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 16:03.42 | ljp_work | thats odd |
| 16:04.11 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:04.24 | ljp_work | :D |
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| 16:42.29 | jaytee | moc_example.o: In function `Example::staticMetaObject()': |
| 16:42.29 | jaytee | moc_example.o(.text+0x13a): undefined reference to `QMetaObject::new_metaobject(char const*, char const*, QMetaData*, int, QMetaData*, int, QClassInfo*, int)' |
| 16:42.32 | jaytee | phoeey |
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| 16:59.17 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp 5000d/5500/5600/A300/C700/etc Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ | http://MyZaurus.com/ | OpenZaurus questions, join #openzaurus | OpenZaurus 3.0 is released! | SL-5600 has been announced. | NEW: screenshots section added to openzaurus.org |
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| 17:52.49 | |rerun| | kryhme: u here? |
| 18:03.24 | Com[Plex | SEX0R@ |
| 18:03.29 | Com[Plex | oh man. wrong window.. |
| 18:04.06 | kryhme | hahahaha |
| 18:04.09 | kryhme | :) |
| 18:04.46 | Com[Plex | hey kryhme |
| 18:04.50 | Com[Plex | whats happenin |
| 18:05.51 | kryhme | actually, i picked up stephen hawking's 'brief history of time' today at b&n while looking for another book.... i've learned so much about everything, it's crazy.... also trying to develop another app, and just shittin around... you? |
| 18:06.50 | Com[Plex | ive neer rea anything by hawking. maybe I should. I took a nice three hour nap after work. and now IM thinkin about getting something to eat. |
| 18:07.10 | jaytee | what's the command that looks inside libraries and ennumerates the functions? |
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| 18:07.47 | hcker2000 | any one installed OZ 3.0 yet? |
| 18:08.35 | Com[Plex | I was loking at the source for that 'atomic' clone. I have an issue with some of the levels not useing all the4 peices on the board. not to mention some with blanks that are required to be in a spcific positions.. and I want to make some of my own levels. :) |
| 18:08.50 | kryhme | Com[Plex: this book is amazing, and he brings everything down to a normal person's level of understanding.... i've always found this stuff interesting, and i feel like i understand so much more after only reading a couple chapters... i'm not that even well read of a person, so i can't even imagine what smarter people get out of his work |
| 18:08.55 | kryhme | hcker2000: yes |
| 18:09.23 | hcker2000 | kryhme is it nice? |
| 18:10.00 | Com[Plex | heh. hmm.. |
| 18:10.10 | kryhme | yeah dude, it's friggin awesome in my opinion... all depends on who you are and what you need though... but the improvements that oz makes over the sharp rom are only gonna increase as time goes on |
| 18:10.36 | hcker2000 | how many meg CF card do u need to upgrade? |
| 18:11.00 | kryhme | 16 i think is the minimum |
| 18:11.13 | kryhme | not sure though |
| 18:11.13 | hcker2000 | well crap i only got an 8 :( |
| 18:11.20 | kryhme | check their site |
| 18:11.27 | kryhme | openzaurus.sourceforge.net |
| 18:11.39 | kryhme | that will answer all your questions in the install and faq section |
| 18:12.06 | hcker2000 | yea its 16 meg min CF card :( |
| 18:12.17 | hcker2000 | looks like i need to spend 10 bucks and order one hehe |
| 18:12.25 | Com[Plex | yeah man |
| 18:12.37 | kryhme | yeah, i need to order an sd card myself... i've run out of space |
| 18:12.49 | kryhme | so much to install, so little room |
| 18:12.54 | hcker2000 | hehe |
| 18:13.18 | hcker2000 | yea im going to install all my apps on a SD card because i have a wlan card for the cf hehe |
| 18:13.52 | kryhme | yeah, i have a wlan and cf memory card. since my cf mem card comes out, i can't install apps to it.. |
| 18:14.12 | kryhme | what's wierd about the zaurus is you think it would have some sort of flap or something to keep dust out of the cf slot |
| 18:14.15 | hcker2000 | yep. what wlan card do u have? |
| 18:14.20 | kryhme | wcf11 |
| 18:14.23 | kryhme | linksys |
| 18:14.27 | hcker2000 | same one i got |
| 18:14.35 | hcker2000 | realy kills battery time dosent it |
| 18:14.49 | kryhme | wi-fi eats battery on anything like nothing else |
| 18:15.16 | kryhme | anyone ever notice the 2 lanyard loops on the top and bottom of the 5500? |
| 18:15.18 | hcker2000 | yea thats true. any idea how u can get the wcf11 to falback to 1 mbit? |
| 18:15.32 | kryhme | never messed with it that indepth |
| 18:15.45 | hcker2000 | yea mine has both the holes for lanyards |
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| 18:17.02 | kryhme | brb |
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| 18:21.22 | hcker2000 | any one here ever use the vnc server for the z? |
| 18:24.11 | ljp | yes, I havent used it for a while. cloudchaser uses it everyday |
| 18:27.37 | hcker2000 | i cant ever get mine to work? |
| 18:28.00 | hcker2000 | do i need to do some thing like 10.10.10.10:1 |
| 18:28.01 | hcker2000 | ? |
| 18:28.03 | ljp | do you calibrate it? |
| 18:28.09 | hcker2000 | calibrate? |
| 18:28.27 | ljp | ya.. when you reboot after installing touch.. hmm |
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| 18:28.41 | ljp | the tope left and then bottom right of the screen |
| 18:28.52 | ljp | or the top right and bottom left |
| 18:29.03 | kergoth`zzz | upper left, then lower right |
| 18:29.05 | kergoth`zzz | :) |
| 18:29.17 | hcker2000 | what vnc server software do u have to do that for |
| 18:29.17 | hcker2000 | ? |
| 18:29.24 | kergoth`zzz | hcker2000: eh? |
| 18:29.28 | kergoth`zzz | hcker2000: theres only one vnc server for the zaurus |
| 18:29.38 | hcker2000 | ok |
| 18:29.41 | ljp | he means on desktop, right? |
| 18:29.55 | kergoth`zzz | no idea what he means |
| 18:29.55 | ljp | Xvnc I think I use |
| 18:30.01 | hcker2000 | im trying to use the z from my windows desktop |
| 18:30.13 | kergoth`zzz | hcker2000: so calibrate the vnc server on your Z, like ljp said. |
| 18:30.17 | ljp | intel has a windows vnc viewer |
| 18:30.29 | kergoth`zzz | hcker2000: http://www.tightvnc.com/ .. windows vnc viewer |
| 18:30.41 | ljp | are there help files for fbvnc? |
| 18:30.44 | hcker2000 | yea i got the client |
| 18:30.56 | hcker2000 | it never asked me to callibrate the server though |
| 18:30.58 | kergoth`zzz | hcker2000: so install the fbvncserver, reboot, calibrate, then run it |
| 18:31.01 | kergoth`zzz | hcker2000: it doesnt. |
| 18:31.06 | kergoth`zzz | hcker2000: it doesnt -ask- |
| 18:31.17 | kergoth`zzz | hcker2000: but the first thing you do after rebooting, when opie comes up, his tap the upper left, then lower right |
| 18:32.59 | hardwire | how do you fdisk an sd with oz or sharp? |
| 18:33.01 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:33.05 | hcker2000 | ok its working thanks |
| 18:33.22 | ljp | opie.. or qpe.. :) |
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| 18:36.47 | guised | hardwire: i think its in the faq |
| 18:37.02 | hardwire | well |
| 18:37.05 | hardwire | I installed fdisk |
| 18:37.05 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:37.09 | hardwire | so.. its solved |
| 18:37.54 | guised | its funny that you were asking that question; i was playing around with fdisk and my sd today too |
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| 18:38.07 | hardwire | spiffay |
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| 18:51.52 | ljp | booya! |
| 18:52.43 | kendrick2 | booya to you tooya |
| 18:53.07 | ljp | hey kendrick.. hows it going? |
| 18:53.47 | kendrick2 | alright |
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| 20:25.23 | Medic_ | (hopefully) quick question. :) has anyone gotten the zaurus to dial out using IrDA on a kyocera 6035? |
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| 20:53.06 | jaytee | moc_example.o: In function `Example::staticMetaObject()': |
| 20:53.06 | jaytee | moc_example.o(.text+0x13a): undefined reference to `QMetaObject::new_metaobject(char const*, char const*, QMetaData*, int, QMetaData*, int, QClassInfo*, int)' |
| 20:53.20 | jaytee | arghhhhhhhhh |
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| 21:12.28 | treke|home | sandman__: do you ever sleep? |
| 21:22.52 | wParam | argh... why does qtopia have to make _EVERYTHING_ so hard to do? |
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| 21:24.29 | wParam | all I want is to be able to launch multiple apps from one hard key (using two keypresses, like mail, calendar = textedit) |
| 21:24.50 | TheMasterMind1 | wParam: hmm, its not that hard |
| 21:25.05 | TheMasterMind1 | make a desktop item that calls a shell script that starts those two |
| 21:25.10 | TheMasterMind1 | then bind the key to that desktop item |
| 21:25.29 | wParam | that's not quite what I mean |
| 21:25.40 | wParam | I mean if I press email, then calendar, it starts textedit (and only textedit) |
| 21:25.53 | TheMasterMind1 | ohh |
| 21:25.57 | TheMasterMind1 | tricky |
| 21:26.08 | TheMasterMind1 | you can do some shell script stuff to do it still |
| 21:26.13 | TheMasterMind1 | but it'd be tricky |
| 21:26.22 | wParam | and I got something to work, but it doesn't always work right |
| 21:26.48 | wParam | I know, I know... should switch to OZ |
| 21:27.06 | TheMasterMind1 | HAHA |
| 21:27.08 | TheMasterMind1 | you're not on oz |
| 21:27.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hahaha |
| 21:27.22 | TheMasterMind1 | sucks to be you |
| 21:27.23 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 21:27.24 | wParam | hehe, no, still beating my head against the wall that is the sharp rom |
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| 21:28.00 | RedBeard | stupid question, has the product improved any since it was released? |
| 21:28.07 | TheMasterMind1 | RedBeard: oz3 you mean? |
| 21:28.11 | treke|home | RedBeard: yes |
| 21:28.12 | TheMasterMind1 | or he zaurus |
| 21:28.15 | TheMasterMind1 | or opie? |
| 21:28.17 | RedBeard | the zaurus |
| 21:28.27 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, there's a new zaurus due to be released, the sl-5600 |
| 21:28.31 | RedBeard | I've got a sl5000 |
| 21:28.38 | TheMasterMind1 | there's also a 5500 |
| 21:28.57 | RedBeard | yeah, I the 5500 was the release version, twice the ram |
| 21:29.01 | RedBeard | how's the software? |
| 21:29.01 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 21:29.10 | TheMasterMind1 | crappy. use OpenZaurus |
| 21:29.15 | RedBeard | *nod* |
| 21:29.20 | RedBeard | that's what I expected |
| 21:30.23 | wParam | I guess it works ok... unless I try to use it when taskman is running. time to uninstall taskman |
| 21:32.04 | wParam | and it runs the blanker app correctly... eeh. good enough |
| 21:39.36 | TheMasterMind1 | useeee openzaurusss |
| 21:41.59 | TheMasterMind1 | you know you wanna |
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| 21:52.34 | hcker2000 | hey is there any way to install OZ from the cradle? |
| 21:53.02 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 21:53.03 | TheMasterMind1 | not yet |
| 21:53.04 | TheMasterMind1 | sorry |
| 21:53.11 | TheMasterMind1 | we're working on it |
| 21:53.16 | hcker2000 | we? |
| 21:55.27 | RedBeard | does oz install the same way the official flash updates install? |
| 21:55.42 | RedBeard | (the same way OZ installed last Dec?) |
| 21:56.16 | hcker2000 | what i want to know is if its better than the offician rom from sharp |
| 21:56.29 | chouimat|Zzzz | nught |
| 21:56.35 | TheMasterMind1 | RedBeard: yep, but you don't need bootflag anymore |
| 21:56.38 | RedBeard | it'd be difficult to be worse than the official rom |
| 21:57.00 | hcker2000 | red whats so bad about the official rom? |
| 21:57.02 | RedBeard | bootflag? I don't remember messing with that |
| 21:57.24 | RedBeard | hcker2000: I don't even know where to begin. |
| 21:57.58 | hcker2000 | just pick one thing. iv had my zaurus for a while and am still learning |
| 21:58.09 | RedBeard | if it's not going to have a file system, don't have a file system. If it is going to have a file system, don't try to tell the user it doesn't have one |
| 21:58.46 | RedBeard | I found more bugs in the psudo file interface that's on the Zaurus (and the desktop software)... |
| 21:59.23 | RedBeard | finally my manager told me to quit loging the bugs, they wanted to ship the product and couldn't if I kept loging bugs |
| 21:59.51 | RedBeard | but the hardware is cool |
| 22:00.04 | hcker2000 | hehe yea the hardware seems nice |
| 22:00.49 | RedBeard | I'm death on bad UI's so don't listen to me. Enjoy it. it's a good device. |
| 22:01.10 | TheMasterMind1 | openzaurus is so great now. we've made so much progress in the last couple of months |
| 22:01.20 | hcker2000 | i do enjoy it but i always like to know what is wrong hehe |
| 22:01.31 | hcker2000 | the master what kind of progress? |
| 22:01.33 | RedBeard | I need to put in on my Z. I haven't looked at it in nearly a year. |
| 22:01.52 | TheMasterMind1 | hcker2000: optimizations, bug fixes, speedups, loads of stuff |
| 22:02.05 | hcker2000 | cool stuff |
| 22:02.14 | hcker2000 | to bad i dont have a 16 meg CF |
| 22:02.18 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:02.19 | TheMasterMind1 | get one |
| 22:02.21 | TheMasterMind1 | they're pretty cheap |
| 22:02.36 | hcker2000 | yea i wonder if best buy has them that small? |
| 22:03.14 | TheMasterMind1 | they should |
| 22:03.24 | TheMasterMind1 | they usually don't have the bigger ones |
| 22:03.26 | RedBeard | I picked up a 128mg CF at costco, with a $50 off coupon, made it a decent price. that was about a year ago |
| 22:03.27 | hcker2000 | id get it of they net but it would be like 10 for the card and 10 for shiping |
| 22:03.33 | TheMasterMind1 | most people use only 8-32 for digital cameras etc |
| 22:04.12 | hcker2000 | yea im planing on a 256 for my digital cammera as soon as i get the 81 bucks |
| 22:07.56 | hcker2000 | newegg has a good price on a 32 meg |
| 22:09.14 | hcker2000 | i dont want to pay the 6 bucks for shiping though hehe |
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| 22:18.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hcker2000: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10251878&hdwt=30421&loc=101 |
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| 22:18.06 | TheMasterMind1 | free shipping... |
| 22:18.08 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 22:20.46 | hcker2000 | checking it out now |
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| 22:21.51 | hcker2000 | hehe but i could save some money if i went with new egg hehe. that is a good price though |
| 22:22.48 | hcker2000 | so many people wasting there money on that stupid palm |
| 22:24.03 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:24.43 | chouimat|Zzzz | hcker2000: for what the palm is designed it's does a very good job |
| 22:25.00 | TheMasterMind1 | you guys seen the win98 running on Z thing? |
| 22:25.10 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: nope |
| 22:25.24 | TheMasterMind1 | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/screenshots/00669_0.jpg |
| 22:25.46 | hcker2000 | yea but i want much more than the palm will do |
| 22:26.04 | hcker2000 | why would u install windows 98 on the z? |
| 22:26.40 | chouimat|Zzzz | hcker2000: laptop then |
| 22:26.44 | TheMasterMind1 | you wouldn't want to |
| 22:26.46 | TheMasterMind1 | but it can be done |
| 22:27.00 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: I think saying it can be done is a bit dishonest |
| 22:27.21 | treke|home | Sure it boots, but it would be so unusably slow that it might as well not work |
| 22:27.29 | hcker2000 | hehe i wouldent mind windows 2000 on it but not 98 |
| 22:27.30 | TheMasterMind1 | that's true |
| 22:27.35 | treke|home | Hell win98 is slow enough on a real penitum 200 |
| 22:27.39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:27.47 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t. go ben! |
| 22:27.53 | TheMasterMind1 | he put out a new kinkattalite! |
| 22:28.13 | TheMasterMind1 | so bitching at developers does really work |
| 22:29.32 | hcker2000 | why did he put out a new one? |
| 22:30.21 | TheMasterMind1 | the old one was having problems with big contact lists |
| 22:30.28 | hcker2000 | ahhh |
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| 22:31.17 | TheMasterMind1 | though, it looks like this one is also |
| 22:31.42 | hcker2000 | hehe. i wish the wifi cards didnt take so much battery power |
| 22:31.46 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: the screenshots is which software or only a slapshscreen? |
| 22:31.58 | TheMasterMind1 | hcker2000: like the socket wlan low power card? |
| 22:31.59 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 22:32.02 | | from memory, wifi is see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com |
| 22:32.03 | danTheWorker | i wouldn't worry about the speed of win98 on a 200Mhz pentium, i'd worry about getting it to boot at all on an ARM cpu |
| 22:32.07 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat|Zzzz: its bochs with sdl gui |
| 22:32.19 | TheMasterMind1 | bochs: the x86 emulator |
| 22:32.36 | hcker2000 | ahh but look at the price on the thing hehe |
| 22:32.44 | TheMasterMind1 | danTheWorker: that's what that pic is showing off, the x86 emu |
| 22:32.50 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: I have a portable mainframe now |
| 22:32.52 | TheMasterMind1 | hcker2000: heh, i bought one :) |
| 22:32.59 | hcker2000 | i wonder just how amazing the battery life is? |
| 22:33.25 | TheMasterMind1 | its great |
| 22:33.34 | TheMasterMind1 | i've never actually run out of power |
| 22:33.36 | TheMasterMind1 | so i dunno |
| 22:33.41 | TheMasterMind1 | lasts me throughout the day |
| 22:33.53 | hcker2000 | hehe ok well how about if u play mp3s over the network? |
| 22:34.02 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* :) |
| 22:34.23 | hcker2000 | i got a wcf12 |
| 22:35.03 | hcker2000 | it lasts about 30-40 min strate of playing mp3s with the back light off |
| 22:35.26 | danTheWorker | so can they get past the boot window? |
| 22:36.19 | hcker2000 | hey TheMaster do u know how to slow the wlan card down from 11 mbit to 1 or 1.5? |
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| 22:37.01 | omoore | wonder if that a reall boot... |
| 22:37.08 | omoore | or just a splash screen for startup |
| 22:37.19 | hcker2000 | its proly a spalsh |
| 22:37.27 | danTheWorker | yeah, probably just a jpg in an image viewer |
| 22:37.28 | omoore | heh.. i could make it "look" like i'm running osx on it |
| 22:37.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hcker2000: not manually |
| 22:37.39 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 22:37.41 | DaWorm | well |
| 22:37.43 | hcker2000 | i would love to run flux box on my z |
| 22:37.49 | TheMasterMind1 | i run flux on my Z |
| 22:37.49 | DaWorm | it was used to demo bochs |
| 22:37.50 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 22:37.54 | hcker2000 | and TheMaster well how can i get it to autofall back? |
| 22:37.55 | DaWorm | but still |
| 22:37.55 | TheMasterMind1 | tinyx+xmonobut+fluxbox |
| 22:37.57 | omoore | ahhh |
| 22:37.58 | DaWorm | it must be a shot |
| 22:37.59 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 22:38.10 | hcker2000 | the master how do u run flux on your z? |
| 22:39.08 | hcker2000 | sweet how many meg do u need to do it? |
| 22:39.15 | hcker2000 | and can u get me a screen shot of it? |
| 22:39.55 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, actually its currently borken |
| 22:39.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll fix it soon |
| 22:40.22 | hcker2000 | ok so whats the size of what u need to run it? |
| 22:41.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't remember, its not that big |
| 22:41.54 | hcker2000 | good. is there any way to remove the built in gui and stuff after u get flux box and all the other stuff installed? |
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| 22:42.59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, just get rid of opie |
| 22:43.10 | TheMasterMind1 | but there's like no apps you could run on fluxbox so why would youdo that |
| 22:43.24 | hcker2000 | yea i supose there isnt. |
| 22:43.24 | TheMasterMind1 | you can have both opie and X/fluxbox and picogui also instlaled at the same time |
| 22:43.53 | hcker2000 | they should have used some thing other than picogui for the z |
| 22:44.02 | scanline | ? |
| 22:44.08 | hcker2000 | like fulxbox |
| 22:44.13 | hcker2000 | fluxbox |
| 22:44.22 | TheMasterMind1 | ??? |
| 22:44.24 | scanline | ? |
| 22:44.46 | scanline | fluxbox is an X window manager, picogui is a completely separate GUI, and neither have anything to do with opie |
| 22:45.29 | hcker2000 | yea but it would have been cool if u could use any linux programs on it |
| 22:45.54 | scanline | if you want X programs, install X |
| 22:46.08 | scanline | picogui isn't what the zaurus ships with, that's Qt/Embedded |
| 22:46.36 | TheMasterMind1 | goddamn, WTF |
| 22:46.44 | TheMasterMind1 | why is the opie build so fucked up |
| 22:46.58 | hcker2000 | so if i install tinyx i can use any linux software? |
| 22:47.22 | TheMasterMind1 | any X software that you recompile for the different processor |
| 22:47.57 | hcker2000 | good stuff then ;) |
| 22:49.44 | hcker2000 | i think ill compile maya on my Z haha |
| 22:51.19 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t, segfault! |
| 22:51.24 | TheMasterMind1 | i am a shitty programmer! |
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