| 00:00.07 | ElzWhere | badl i recieved that case today |
| 00:00.12 | ElzWhere | its not that bad |
| 00:00.21 | badl | which case? |
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| 00:00.31 | ElzWhere | the extreme limit one |
| 00:00.33 | ElzWhere | the metal one |
| 00:00.51 | badl | ohhh.... |
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| 00:01.03 | TrekCycling | later |
| 00:01.19 | badl | ElzWhere: tell me how *well* it dents ;) |
| 00:01.30 | badl | hey Piete |
| 00:01.53 | Piete | hey |
| 00:02.20 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, my wireless card, is getting an ip from dhcp,. tho it is statically assiegned by my dhcp server. = also, I am using a specific essid and a 40bit wep code. |
| 00:02.50 | ElzWhere | Com[Plex] and u have to manually enter the info everytime? |
| 00:03.34 | ElzWhere | anyone got fluxbox working on OZ3? |
| 00:07.12 | Com[Plex] | elz: nah, I can just go in, and start the cionnection. no need to re enter. |
| 00:07.29 | Com[Plex] | trek, im working on a package of insignia. |
| 00:07.38 | Com[Plex] | right this minute actually |
| 00:07.50 | Com[Plex] | I ahve the hancom apps all bundled up but I have not triesd them |
| 00:07.55 | Com[Plex] | would you like to test em for it? |
| 00:07.57 | ElzWhere | what do u have to learn to try to start developing apps for the zaurus? |
| 00:07.59 | Com[Plex] | it me |
| 00:08.02 | ElzWhere | just curious? |
| 00:08.11 | Com[Plex] | I dunno. I dont develope. hehe |
| 00:08.17 | Piete | ElzWhere: hmm |
| 00:08.18 | Com[Plex] | I compiled some stuff. but thats about it. |
| 00:08.28 | Piete | ElzWhere: can you program? |
| 00:08.31 | Com[Plex] | modified some code here and there. but never whipped up anything of my own. |
| 00:09.30 | ElzWhere | C PHP Perl |
| 00:09.42 | badl | ElzWhere: just do the Qt examples and then start to create some simple apps.... buttons, layout etc |
| 00:09.49 | badl | c++ |
| 00:09.49 | Piete | ElzWhere: well, then I don't think you need to learn anything special |
| 00:10.04 | Piete | ElzWhere: its basically just a linux box, with a small screen :) |
| 00:10.12 | ElzWhere | ahh |
| 00:12.00 | ElzWhere | what is the opie-sh-wavelanchooser? |
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| 00:31.02 | jbwiv | anyone know how run a qt app from the console on the Z and attach to the current Qtopia? to get debugging info? Thx. |
| 00:33.47 | mark | jbwiv: open a console and type tha apps name? |
| 00:34.24 | jbwiv | mark: it would seem that simple, wouldn't it? nope |
| 00:34.47 | mark | jbwiv: if $QTDIR and $QPE are properly set then yes |
| 00:34.57 | jbwiv | I get "No Qt/Embedded server appears to be running, add the "-qws" command-line option. |
| 00:35.05 | Aimio | <app> &2 i think |
| 00:35.47 | jbwiv | mark: QTDIR is set to /home/QtPalmtop. $QPE is not set... |
| 00:35.59 | ElzWhere | anyone know where the startup screen for OZ3 is located? |
| 00:36.16 | jbwiv | mark: QPEDIR is set to /home/QtPalmtop |
| 00:36.53 | jbwiv | mark: seems like I ran into this before and kergoth mentioned you had to a little magic to run a gui app from command-line...I just don't remember the incantations ;-) |
| 00:39.46 | mark | jbwiv: whats the error you get when running it? |
| 00:39.57 | mark | is $LD_LIBRARY_PATH set? |
| 00:41.57 | jbwiv | mark: yup...to /home/QtPalmtop/lib |
| 00:42.24 | jbwiv | here's the error (forgive the paste)... |
| 00:42.39 | jbwiv | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 00:42.39 | jbwiv | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 00:42.39 | jbwiv | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 00:42.39 | jbwiv | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 00:42.39 | jbwiv | No Qt/Embedded server appears to be running. |
| 00:42.40 | jbwiv | If you want to run this program as a server, |
| 00:42.42 | jbwiv | add the "-qws" command-line option. |
| 00:43.37 | badl | jbwiv: it appears that a socket is not open ;) |
| 00:43.54 | badl | lol |
| 00:44.20 | badl | sorry couldn't help myself! |
| 00:44.36 | jbwiv | badl: please, please help yourself ;-) |
| 00:44.42 | ElzWhere | anyone know where the startup screen for OZ3 is located? |
| 00:44.42 | badl | :) |
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| 00:50.02 | hugh | When flashing the Z, after holding down C D and the Full Reset button and getting the LEDs blinking on, is there any indication when the thing is DONE? I have a black Z here, with NO indication that ANYTHING is happening... |
| 00:50.42 | ElzWhere | when both LED's turn off it is done |
| 00:51.20 | hugh | They were only on for a second, not the three to twelve minues that the OZ page says it takes... |
| 00:51.33 | hugh | Do I have to hold down the CD keys? |
| 00:52.04 | ElzWhere | that same thing happend to me delete the files and dl them again |
| 00:52.07 | ElzWhere | and flash |
| 00:52.23 | hugh | Ah, rebuild the CF card you think? Ok. |
| 00:53.02 | ElzWhere | yeah |
| 00:54.15 | ElzWhere | what is a image viewer for OZ3? |
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| 01:03.16 | hugh | So it seems I had a bad block on the CF (so much for the claim that the CF smarts would take care of such things...). |
| 01:03.30 | hugh | Now I have JUST the battery light on, and I HOPE thats right... |
| 01:12.55 | ElzWhere | yeah thats right |
| 01:12.59 | ElzWhere | now reset |
| 01:13.20 | ElzWhere | then boot |
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| 01:22.13 | ElzWhere | anyone know where the startup screen for OZ3 is located? |
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| 01:45.20 | hugh | Lets try this agian. I am trying to flash OZ3 onto a 5500. Do or DO NOT the two LED's stay on for the entire time it takes to flash the Z? |
| 01:45.36 | hugh | I get them on for about 4 seconds, then they go off. |
| 01:50.20 | Wintre | They do stay on |
| 01:50.26 | Wintre | When they turn off, the flash is done. |
| 01:51.43 | hugh | Can it flash in two seconds? I doubt it as I get the RZ flash load when I reboot. This is not going well... Note that the "C" & "D" and Full Reset keys are a pecimal combination. |
| 01:52.31 | Wintre | When I've flashed Z ROMs it takes quite a bit longer |
| 01:52.51 | hugh | Yea, 2.78 is booting so I am failing totaly. |
| 01:53.46 | hugh | I have a CF with JUST the zImage and the initrd.bin in the root dir of a FAT16 disk. It's a 96meg CF so I am in no way out of space. I am at a loss... |
| 01:54.22 | Wintre | Um. Can you flash both at once? |
| 01:54.31 | hugh | ??? |
| 01:54.50 | Wintre | I've only ever flashed one at a time - initrd, zImage, or the Sharp OSPACK |
| 01:55.08 | hugh | How did you push only the C D and FR buttong any way? I can't hit them with my fingers all at once! |
| 01:55.41 | smee|h | heh - practise :) |
| 01:55.46 | smee|h | did you checksum the files? |
| 01:55.46 | hugh | No, I have a CF with JUST OZ3 initrd.bin and zImage and thats IT. Nothing else on the CF. Seems to be what the OZ instructions wanted. |
| 01:55.57 | hugh | No, I did a cmp and it cam out good. |
| 01:57.49 | hugh | Just put it in again and did a md5 of the files, all came out right. |
| 01:57.51 | hugh | 2eaa29003c444d19b80f7c09a975e509 initrd.bin |
| 01:57.52 | hugh | ff5ddf71650edf239db8dad053cc7d58 zImage |
| 01:58.26 | smee|h | and you have AC power connected? |
| 01:58.43 | hugh | Has noone at sharp ever used a real computer, say a Vax or Sun? Only the shit from PC folks? Hello folks, boot prom please! |
| 01:59.26 | hugh | Yep, I can read (been doing it for years... :r) Maybe I need to do some mumbo like set the bootable flag on the #1 partition on the CF? |
| 01:59.43 | ElzWhere | like i said i had that same problem just formated the CF card and redownloaded the files and flashed then it worked |
| 01:59.52 | smee|h | not sure...yeah - try reformatting |
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| 02:00.08 | smee|h | it has worked for me before |
| 02:00.25 | hugh | WTF? No folks, this is UNIX not some toy. Reformat the CF? What good could that do? |
| 02:00.37 | smee|h | how did you format it hugh? |
| 02:00.52 | hugh | First, you NEVER format drives any more. |
| 02:00.58 | hugh | You might build a new file system. |
| 02:00.59 | ElzWhere | what? |
| 02:01.04 | smee|h | well repartitionm and create the fs then |
| 02:01.07 | Wintre | hugh: No, I've never had to do any silly junk like that |
| 02:01.12 | DaWorm | oz flashing? |
| 02:01.13 | hugh | Do you KNOW what formating a drive MEANS? |
| 02:01.25 | ElzWhere | yeah format the CF card |
| 02:01.33 | smee|h | writing a filesystem on it? |
| 02:01.35 | ElzWhere | u have a flash card reader? |
| 02:01.40 | DaWorm | sure why not |
| 02:01.43 | Wintre | I think hugh is about to pull out the difference between "low-level format" and "create a filesystem" |
| 02:01.53 | hugh | Bingo. |
| 02:02.26 | Wintre | Which is a semantic difference most people don't make; commonly accepted usage for "format" means "create a filesystem" |
| 02:02.42 | smee|h | well ignore my expert advice then =) |
| 02:02.45 | hugh | I have a USB flash card reader that I don't trust, as I was getting anonymous I/O errors on it. I am flashing off of a IDE writer just now. |
| 02:03.37 | DaWorm | i dont get any probs flashing to oz |
| 02:04.22 | hugh | ok, so folks are suggesting that do both a sfdisk and a mkdosfs and then copy the two files onto the CF. If that works we should put this on the OZ install page. |
| 02:04.27 | hugh | I will go try... |
| 02:04.50 | DaWorm | and rename it to just zImage |
| 02:05.41 | ElzWhere | i have a flash card reader just formated it with FAT and thats it |
| 02:06.16 | hugh | Thanks DaWorm, did that about an hour ago... So I hope that FAT16 is the right partition type. |
| 02:10.28 | hugh | Ok, it seems to be working. |
| 02:10.46 | smee|h | *gasp* |
| 02:10.59 | hugh | Thanks, anyone know who is responsibe for the web page? It needs to be updated with this stuff. Might as well make others lives better too... |
| 02:12.08 | smee|h | what would you add? 'If it doesnt work you could try "formatting" the card'? |
| 02:12.14 | hugh | No. |
| 02:12.52 | hugh | I would add EXACTLY the commands needed, though it seems that sfdisk is another MS-GNU program and not a Unix program (I ended up using old fdisk). |
| 02:13.02 | hugh | I did: |
| 02:13.21 | hugh | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/BLABLA count=10 |
| 02:13.39 | hugh | fdisk /dev/BLABLA |
| 02:13.43 | hugh | n |
| 02:13.44 | hugh | p |
| 02:13.45 | hugh | 1 |
| 02:13.51 | hugh | <ret> |
| 02:13.53 | hugh | <ret> |
| 02:13.56 | hugh | t |
| 02:13.58 | hugh | 6 |
| 02:14.00 | hugh | a |
| 02:14.02 | hugh | 1 |
| 02:14.37 | hugh | (opps, got that wrong, forgot the choosing of the partition for the typing commnad, this is what we need a command line based fdisk for). |
| 02:14.38 | hugh | w |
| 02:14.50 | hugh | mkdosfs /dev/BLABLA |
| 02:15.13 | hugh | mount /dev/BLABLA /mnt/foo |
| 02:15.29 | hugh | cp initrd.bin zImage /mnt/foo |
| 02:15.32 | hugh | sync |
| 02:15.44 | hugh | md5sum initrc.bin zImage /mnt/foo/* |
| 02:15.54 | hugh | umount /mnt/foo |
| 02:16.12 | hugh | and that is allmost EXACTLY what needs to go into the instructions. |
| 02:16.24 | smee|h | it is not a necessary first step though - afaik an out of the box CF should work fine...we just got your card to a known configuration |
| 02:16.31 | Wintre | Indeed |
| 02:16.45 | hugh | I just went through THREE out of the box CFs. |
| 02:16.51 | Wintre | I have two CF cards that I flashed from out-of-the-box with the FAT16 without problems |
| 02:17.07 | ElzWhere | lol |
| 02:17.15 | smee|h | me too - what brand hugh? |
| 02:17.16 | hugh | Why risk OTHER folks going through the hell I just did when we can write up a script that does what I did TRIVIALLY? |
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| 02:18.10 | hugh | If it mattered what brand then we did something wrong with the standard. It should just NEVER matter. Thats why we call it DIGITAL computing! :r) |
| 02:18.25 | hugh | Yes, I get pedantic, ask the folks over in FreeS/WAN land... :r) |
| 02:18.35 | hugh | Ok, about to boot my first OZ! |
| 02:18.43 | hugh | COOL |
| 02:18.53 | smee|h | ibot be zippy |
| 02:18.53 | | Ask me about 'yow'. |
| 02:19.33 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:19.38 | DaWorm | welcome to OZ land |
| 02:19.40 | DaWorm | :) |
| 02:19.53 | hugh | I am now a ZPOD People! :r) |
| 02:19.58 | Twiun | mornin' |
| 02:20.13 | smee|h | hi Twiun |
| 02:21.13 | hugh | Does take it's time waking up in the morn though... |
| 02:21.28 | smee|h | hm...do I need to give a QButtonGroup an explicit size? |
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| 02:21.54 | smee|h | my QDialog isnt big enough to fit all 3 radiobuttons in |
| 02:22.05 | hugh | Much snappier then the RZ, good work so far. |
| 02:23.35 | hugh | Clock sucks, but hey it was free! |
| 02:40.13 | hugh | Humm, crashed my OZ the first time I tried to install packages... |
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| 03:28.31 | raja | anyone have the dlink compact flash wifi adapter? |
| 03:48.46 | Data___ | yes |
| 03:48.48 | Data___ | i have |
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| 04:16.23 | hugh | Ug, I have a SanDisk 256 mb SD card that gets IO errors (no the WP is not on). Is there some hidden magic to get it working? |
| 04:20.32 | hugh | ibot SanDisk 256mb |
| 04:20.32 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, hugh |
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| 04:25.58 | ElzWhere | lol |
| 04:26.21 | ElzWhere | hugh is it formated ext2? |
| 04:26.37 | hugh | Yes. |
| 04:27.01 | hugh | Why would I want to use FAT? |
| 04:28.04 | burtonator | FAT works on digital cameras |
| 04:28.08 | burtonator | it is supported everywhere |
| 04:31.44 | hugh | Yes, so? I am running a Z and not trying to make MS-WINCE more popular. |
| 04:32.59 | ElzWhere | hugh u know dont ask any more ?'s tonight cause you R an asshole. |
| 04:32.59 | burtonator | if you don't have a digital camera don't worry about it |
| 04:33.10 | hugh | English please? Yea, I know I can be annoying, I was told I was a fool for pushing Unix. In 1980. It does not bother me any more! :r) |
| 04:34.02 | Wintre | hugh: Flash has a limited number of write cycles. ext2 isn't a particularly good filesystem to use on it |
| 04:34.03 | hugh | So your telling me that ext2 is broken on SD and that rather then fixing OZ we should use BillyBoys formats because thats easy? |
| 04:34.33 | hugh | Yes, I know. The vfat file system is no better, and less capable. |
| 04:34.42 | Wintre | vfat supports atime? |
| 04:34.57 | burtonator | it isn't a matter of fixing OZ... it is a matter of fixing ext2 |
| 04:35.22 | ElzWhere | im saying that when i bought my sandisk card it didnt work on my zaurus out of the box, until i formated it to ext2 i was just asking if you had it formated |
| 04:35.24 | hugh | New folks, I tried vfat allready and it failed as well. |
| 04:35.29 | burtonator | but saying that you don't want to use fat because of MS is stupid (and I am probably more rabid about MS than 99.9999% of the population) |
| 04:35.43 | burtonator | and all journaling filesystems will be bad on CF/SD |
| 04:35.56 | burtonator | there is this mmfat or mmfs that was around |
| 04:36.04 | burtonator | but kergoth says that isn't a good option |
| 04:36.37 | Wintre | jffs2 is probably best - I believe it's a log-structured filesystem designed for flash devices |
| 04:36.54 | ElzWhere | i thought he was talking about SD cards |
| 04:37.17 | burtonator | jffs2... that is what I was thinking |
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| 04:40.05 | ZzzGogo | eh |
| 04:43.46 | Data___ | hmm |
| 04:43.50 | Data___ | who's wake ? |
| 04:44.46 | Data___ | who is freaking awake? |
| 04:45.38 | Data___ | http://psifertex.com/albums/sl5600/Battery.sized.jpg |
| 04:45.49 | Data___ | i think this will fit the SL5500 as well |
| 04:45.59 | Data___ | but without the cover |
| 04:47.39 | CrazyGogo | wake |
| 04:47.41 | CrazyGogo | awake |
| 04:47.44 | CrazyGogo | here :) |
| 04:47.59 | hugh | That is the battery for the new SL-5600. |
| 04:48.20 | CrazyGogo | 1700 mA? |
| 04:48.34 | hugh | Yes, twice the current battery. |
| 04:48.56 | CrazyGogo | that's a standard battery, dont think they've developed a new stadrad... |
| 04:49.12 | CrazyGogo | you should look at a video/photo supplier... |
| 04:49.32 | CrazyGogo | bet it already exists somewhere else... |
| 04:50.01 | CrazyGogo | maybe without a 'sharp' logo... but who cares whether its labled by Panasonic or Sharp?! :) |
| 04:50.37 | CrazyGogo | G37A <-- think that's the battery type? |
| 04:51.26 | CrazyGogo | no.. EA-BL 08 or sumfin... 3.7 V @ 1700 mA |
| 04:52.23 | Data___ | well |
| 04:52.43 | Data___ | i just wonder what would happen if you crank a 1700mA battery into a SL 5500 |
| 04:52.50 | CrazyGogo | nothing |
| 04:52.53 | CrazyGogo | more capacity |
| 04:52.57 | CrazyGogo | that's alle |
| 04:53.02 | Data___ | well isn't that what we want? :) |
| 04:53.13 | CrazyGogo | all that matters is the Volts and the physical size |
| 04:53.13 | Data___ | it's alot cheaper then bying a new SL 5600 :) |
| 04:53.20 | CrazyGogo | xactly |
| 04:53.32 | CrazyGogo | i got google on it :) |
| 04:53.33 | Data___ | well, your charger has to have enought juice to charge it too :) |
| 04:53.44 | CrazyGogo | well it just takes longer |
| 04:53.53 | Data___ | hmm true |
| 04:53.53 | CrazyGogo | same chrging voltage |
| 04:54.03 | Data___ | the voltages are the same yes |
| 04:54.14 | Data___ | do you think it's a standard size battery ? |
| 04:54.53 | CrazyGogo | yes |
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| 04:55.03 | Data___ | ic |
| 04:55.10 | CrazyGogo | they did not develop a new battery standard - most certainly! |
| 04:56.00 | Data___ | so there is probably some cheapo brand out there that fits? :) |
| 04:56.10 | CrazyGogo | the new type is the EA-BL08 3.7V <-- find a battery with these specs and you'll be fine... the more mA the better |
| 04:56.17 | CrazyGogo | xactly... |
| 04:56.29 | CrazyGogo | probably somewhere in photo/video/... |
| 04:56.50 | CrazyGogo | let's coogle together :) we'll be faster :) |
| 04:57.16 | CrazyGogo | you have your zaurus right there? could you read the type for me? is it the EA-BL06 ? |
| 04:57.24 | Data___ | yes |
| 04:57.25 | Data___ | 06 |
| 04:57.31 | Data___ | i have it here in front of me |
| 04:58.44 | CrazyGogo | cool.. lets google :) |
| 05:02.08 | CrazyGogo | the sharp slb500 has it, too... |
| 05:02.21 | CrazyGogo | SL-B500 |
| 05:03.36 | CrazyGogo | well that seems to be the japanese laber for the new zaurus?! |
| 05:04.20 | CrazyGogo | ah no thats the on with 640x480 ... that just got presented on the last createc |
| 05:06.26 | CrazyGogo | well, gotta go go... laterz |
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| 05:33.08 | Twiun[interview] | hey Cloud_ |
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| 05:58.11 | _ibz|work | {mornin'|afternoon|whatever} |
| 05:58.59 | Twiun[interview] | yo |
| 06:01.46 | Cloud_ | 'mornin |
| 06:02.07 | Twiun[interview] | interview with the ubsw agency this afternoon! |
| 06:02.34 | Cloud_ | great! i wish you the best! how long from now? |
| 06:04.08 | Twiun[interview] | 3 hours... |
| 06:04.13 | Twiun[interview] | then a tech test on monday |
| 06:06.31 | Cloud_ | i hope you get the job! |
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| 06:13.10 | Twiun[interview] | howdy |
| 06:13.36 | Twiun[interview] | oh, and I've got rid of those rounded borders from the java faq site... time for a change ;-) |
| 06:13.42 | Piete | what did I miss? |
| 06:15.01 | Twiun[interview] | nowt |
| 06:15.55 | Piete | 2.4.1[8,9] even :) |
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| 06:45.20 | _ibz|work | ljp: know anything about liquid theme on sharp rom? |
| 06:45.42 | ljp | a littel bit |
| 06:45.51 | ljp | little even |
| 06:46.06 | Piete | appart from that it costs $10? |
| 06:46.14 | _ibz|work | what? |
| 06:46.19 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:46.23 | Com[Plex] | its built into oz |
| 06:46.31 | Piete | liquid for sharps rom costs $10 |
| 06:46.47 | _ibz|work | i know it's on oz...i got a feel for it, and got hooked. |
| 06:47.00 | _ibz|work | but i can't run oz just yet... |
| 06:47.02 | ljp | ya, that helps support one of the best opie devs.. |
| 06:47.25 | _ibz|work | mosfet? |
| 06:47.34 | ljp | no, sandman |
| 06:47.37 | Com[Plex] | so... try grabbing the graphics and assembling the theme yourself? |
| 06:47.40 | Com[Plex] | isnt that possible? |
| 06:48.09 | ljp | yes, source is available.. but you'll probably needs knowledge on how to get it to work |
| 06:48.28 | _ibz|work | can't be arsed. that's all i needed to know. thanx. |
| 06:48.30 | Piete | _ibz|work: howcome you can't run OZ? |
| 06:48.39 | Com[Plex] | HOLY FUCKING DANDRUFF! |
| 06:48.53 | Com[Plex] | sorry, wrong window |
| 06:48.56 | _ibz|work | well, currently, i find OZ high maintenance... |
| 06:48.57 | ljp | hehe |
| 06:49.17 | ljp | hmm.. I'm at one of the betas, and its running fien |
| 06:49.20 | Com[Plex] | you and me both Piete |
| 06:49.26 | _ibz|work | i play with Oz on weekends... |
| 06:49.31 | Com[Plex] | I jsut itched my head, and shed soem weight |
| 06:49.46 | Com[Plex] | I need to shave my head again. |
| 06:50.07 | Com[Plex] | looks like corn flakes on my shirt |
| 06:50.11 | ljp | if you pluck all your hairs, you wont need to shave! |
| 06:50.18 | Piete | _ibz|work: but is there anythin you can do on Sharp but not on OZ that you need? |
| 06:50.20 | Com[Plex] | well not really. but its pretty gross |
| 06:50.31 | _ibz|work | well hancom stuff is pain.... |
| 06:50.35 | Piete | Com[Plex]: ok ok, no need to be so graphic |
| 06:50.39 | Piete | :P |
| 06:50.47 | Com[Plex] | does hancom work on the z at all? I havent tried it yet |
| 06:50.57 | ljp | it used too |
| 06:51.00 | Piete | it ships with the Z :P |
| 06:51.04 | Com[Plex] | I meant oz |
| 06:51.08 | Com[Plex] | sorry. dropped a letter |
| 06:51.11 | _ibz|work | apparently the style stuff affects hancom word on OZ... |
| 06:51.20 | Com[Plex] | ahh. well I dont use the style stuff :> |
| 06:51.21 | Piete | hancom said they are working on supporting OZ.. |
| 06:51.26 | Piete | not sure where I saw that tho |
| 06:51.28 | Com[Plex] | nice. |
| 06:51.47 | _ibz|work | i had some issues with tkc too...but they could be fixed, just require some work... |
| 06:52.00 | Com[Plex] | wich tkc apps? |
| 06:52.10 | Piete | _ibz|work: all tkc stuff works flawlessly here |
| 06:52.10 | _ibz|work | tkctodo, tkcmemo. |
| 06:52.18 | Com[Plex] | I love editor. - tho honestly, I end up using vi moer than anythign |
| 06:52.35 | Com[Plex] | moer. lol - when did I start typing THAT all the time |
| 06:52.46 | Com[Plex] | I think I have leprosy. |
| 06:52.58 | _ibz|work | vim forever baby! |
| 06:53.01 | Piete | its easy to use on the zaurus :) |
| 06:53.06 | Com[Plex] | nano? |
| 06:53.37 | Piete | pico clone |
| 06:53.55 | Piete | its nice for editing config files on the move |
| 06:53.57 | Com[Plex] | something happened with oz3, vi got changed somehow and now I cant usethe delete key. - took me forever to find out it was 'escape' then capitol X |
| 06:54.20 | _ibz|work | Com[Plex]: vi or vim? |
| 06:54.30 | Com[Plex] | pico. yet another editor with a long learning curve. Ill stick to what I am used to at this point. |
| 06:54.33 | Com[Plex] | elvis vi |
| 06:55.01 | Com[Plex] | shit. Im late again.. *sigh* |
| 06:55.15 | Com[Plex] | I gotta go. but Ill get back on when IM there :> <work> |
| 06:55.23 | _ibz|work | capital x? under vim, just x. but there is a way to fix the delete key... |
| 06:55.32 | Com[Plex] | oh? |
| 06:55.46 | Com[Plex] | I was thinking about ust replacing the busybox with my older one. |
| 06:55.53 | _ibz|work | yeah, but i don't know it just yet, i'll found out for you. |
| 06:55.59 | _ibz|work | if it is what i think it is.. |
| 06:56.07 | Com[Plex] | the bash thing is different too. no more .bash_history from session to session. |
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| 06:56.29 | Piete | ah, here |
| 06:56.31 | Piete | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=4168&s=833be65eb42c4b27be66e7d035c5cbd4 |
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| 06:58.34 | Piete | DaJoker: sup? |
| 06:58.39 | DaJoker | heya Piete |
| 06:58.43 | DaJoker | what's shakin? |
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| 06:58.57 | Piete | nada |
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| 07:09.30 | benmeyer | Tuesday's announcement is the first in a series from Sharp. Sources close to the company said that within a matter of days Sharp plans to unveil a Zaurus device that runs a Power PC chip from IBM. |
| 07:09.32 | benmeyer | hahahah |
| 07:09.33 | benmeyer | what bull |
| 07:09.37 | benmeyer | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,692588,00.asp |
| 07:12.30 | Piete | lol |
| 07:19.36 | Com[Plex] | god I love my job |
| 07:19.46 | Piete | what do you do? |
| 07:20.17 | Com[Plex] | im a high school alternative ed teacher/assistant.. - basicaly IM a camp councelor. lol |
| 07:20.23 | Com[Plex] | I jsut do it at a high school. |
| 07:21.17 | Com[Plex] | I get all the bad kids, and try to teach them how to use computers. - really what i do is teach them how to get away with mischeif, because tjhey are gonna get into it anwyay, I might as well teach them some discretion so they dont get caught. hehe |
| 07:22.42 | Piete | lol |
| 07:22.46 | Piete | sounds fun :) |
| 07:22.54 | Piete | what do you teach them on computers? |
| 07:23.01 | Piete | vital skills like : |
| 07:23.04 | Piete | Quake? |
| 07:23.07 | Com[Plex] | so what it really boils down to, - Is I show up at 9 something, hang out here till 2. answering questions thatb people might have about any subject, not just computers. - fix the occasioanl computer problem here and th3ere, and joke around with the kids all day. |
| 07:23.26 | Piete | awesome :D |
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| 07:23.34 | Piete | hey |
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| 07:24.03 | Com[Plex] | well, I teach them anything with computers, - starting with absoilute beginner stuff, <here is the mouse, the tail points away from you> to much more advanced stuff. like unlocking athlon cpus and buildint copper water coolers. |
| 07:24.08 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/TUTORIALS/new_blocks/ |
| 07:24.55 | Com[Plex] | sometimes we get into a project that I dont know too much about, so I gotta try and learn it a little faster than they do. :> |
| 07:25.03 | Piete | and you get paid for it? |
| 07:25.44 | Com[Plex] | one of my kids is a mud programmer. pretty talented too. I host his mud on my server as a matter of fact. yeah, thats the thing, I get paid quite a bit for it. 17$ an hour. |
| 07:26.01 | Com[Plex] | and I only woprk about 24 hours a week, so I have a LOT of time left open for my hobbies. |
| 07:26.22 | Com[Plex] | - tell ya man, its the secret to life. work little. and have hobbies that pay for themselves. |
| 07:26.34 | Piete | heh, some people have all the luck :/ |
| 07:26.38 | Piete | I'm not one of them |
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| 07:26.55 | Piete | Com[Plex]: what kind of hobbies do you have? |
| 07:27.14 | Com[Plex] | sure you are. happiness brings good luck. <quote> |
| 07:27.38 | Piete | hehe |
| 07:28.12 | Com[Plex] | I build things, some assorted electronics, water coolers for computers. cusatom computer cases, anything you can imagine related to mdifying computers, or modifying jsut about anything for that matter. |
| 07:28.22 | Com[Plex] | 5[UNF] http://me.256k.net/casemod/TUTORIALS/ |
| 07:28.40 | Com[Plex] | check out the uvalan pics |
| 07:30.00 | Piete | cool :D |
| 07:30.00 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/uvalan/ |
| 07:30.38 | Com[Plex] | all those painted computers in there are my creations. made them for a lan party this summer. sold them all at 200$ wich barely covered my expenses, but thats okay, because everyone loved em :> |
| 07:31.08 | Com[Plex] | that empire case is all custom, made the window etching myself too. |
| 07:31.12 | Piete | hah, this almost makes me want to be a bad kid :P |
| 07:31.18 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:32.49 | Piete | man, thats some seriously high res pictures |
| 07:33.01 | Com[Plex] | oh. sorry. |
| 07:33.09 | Piete | no :D |
| 07:33.11 | Piete | I don't mind |
| 07:33.21 | Piete | I have a relatively fast connection |
| 07:33.23 | Com[Plex] | my network connection is shit right now. someone on my lan is using kazaa and destroying our bw |
| 07:33.37 | Piete | heh, that sucks |
| 07:33.45 | Piete | tell them to limit their bw |
| 07:34.26 | Piete | tell me; ever had a problem with water cooling? (leak, bad pump etc) |
| 07:34.46 | Com[Plex] | I have, but they deny using it. |
| 07:35.08 | Com[Plex] | ytes, I have, just recently actually. - well, more than once. - Ill start with the old one. |
| 07:36.09 | Piete | shit, I love the cdrom window :D |
| 07:36.14 | Com[Plex] | I had made a water block out of plexiglass and an old heat sink. - I thoguht epoxy would be waterproof, but its not. it breaks down quite quickly in fact. - I had a leak that leaked on my sound card for wquite a while beore I noticed it. - It never bothered it at all. kinda funny actually |
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| 07:36.31 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 07:36.31 | Piete | hey JasonNJ |
| 07:36.37 | Com[Plex] | - I noticed one day that I had a little pool on my sound card. and I was playing mop3s at the time. - no problem. |
| 07:37.03 | Piete | Com[Plex]: I guess it was distilled water? |
| 07:37.31 | Com[Plex] | then recently,. I accidentally peired a hole in my 89$ radiator, when I was instaling a second radiator to go with it. - it wasa big hole, took me a while to repair. <blowtorch, flux and a lotta solder> |
| 07:37.51 | Piete | ouch |
| 07:38.04 | Piete | damn, those boxen look awesome :D |
| 07:38.05 | Com[Plex] | no, jsut tap water, but its treated with water wetter. - also, pcb boards arte coated with a corrosion inhibitor made by 3m, so they are very resistant to humidity, condensation, etc. |
| 07:38.12 | Piete | too bad they don't run linux :/ |
| 07:38.16 | _ibz|work | benmeyer, JasonNJ: hi |
| 07:38.33 | Piete | Com[Plex]: ahh, I see |
| 07:38.36 | Com[Plex] | hehe, they run linux jsut fine. |
| 07:38.48 | Piete | Com[Plex]: I know, I mean in the picutures |
| 07:38.59 | _ibz|work | benmeyer: a few days ago you mentioned i could use the sdmmc modules from the 2.38 rom on the 2.37 rom... |
| 07:39.03 | Com[Plex] | anyway, tyou would think after all the trouble I went through to get the nice chrome radiator patched up, that I would check my new radiator for leaks. |
| 07:39.31 | Com[Plex] | well I didnt, and spent all day installing it, only to end up with lillypads in the bottom of my case the next morning. |
| 07:39.42 | _ibz|work | benmeyer: i was wondering if restoring a backup image from a 2.38 rom would do the trick...seems to backup the kernel modules... |
| 07:39.50 | Piete | Com[Plex]: ouch!! |
| 07:39.55 | Com[Plex] | so I took it all back out, fixed the second radiator, and mopped out my case. all better :> |
| 07:39.56 | Piete | Com[Plex]: any damage this time? |
| 07:40.06 | Com[Plex] | nope |
| 07:40.52 | Com[Plex] | no damage. - in fact, I had a friend pour a full 14 oz of mountain due onto his open computer. shut it off. took it out, threw the motherboard in the dishwasher and let it dry for a week and a half. |
| 07:40.58 | Com[Plex] | seemed to work okay after that. |
| 07:41.04 | Piete | I once had a bad usb cable (the one that connectes from the Mobo to the back of the case,, anyway, it was wired wrong, lemme just tell you the foot long blue spark took me by suprise :) |
| 07:41.17 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:41.28 | Com[Plex] | holy shit. did it destroy the motherboad? |
| 07:41.32 | benmeyer | ibz|work: no it ownt work |
| 07:41.41 | Piete | Com[Plex]: luckily not |
| 07:42.03 | Piete | Com[Plex]: that was back when people went "woow" when they heard you have a 233Mhz K6 :) |
| 07:42.13 | benmeyer | I plugs in a floppy power backwaords and the floppy drive burst into flames |
| 07:42.16 | benmeyer | that was pretty cool |
| 07:42.21 | Piete | hahaha |
| 07:42.23 | benmeyer | distroyed the floppy controller though |
| 07:42.26 | Piete | ouch |
| 07:42.37 | benmeyer | and my computer losses ~5min every day now too |
| 07:42.55 | Com[Plex] | usb can be an awful beast. I used to have a usb camera, that was on a tripod that constantly was getting knocked over. after a while the4 usb connection in it got weak, and the stupid thing woudl lock up my computer left and right |
| 07:43.07 | Com[Plex] | jeesus benmyer! |
| 07:43.16 | Piete | my first computer was built out of scrap cards, I had to put seperate controllers in for the hard drive, serial, paralel, and floppy, and I had to replace its BIOS once a week.. |
| 07:43.20 | Piete | but it worked :D |
| 07:43.48 | Com[Plex] | Ive had a psu blow up in my face. - back before I knew that you werent supposed to replace fuses in a psu. - I thought it might be okay. |
| 07:43.57 | benmeyer | yah once had a video card that only worked for a few minutes at a time and once it got too hot I would put it in a zip lock bag and in the frezzer for a few minutes |
| 07:44.05 | Piete | Com[Plex]: ouch.. |
| 07:44.12 | Piete | benmeyer: lol! |
| 07:44.39 | Com[Plex] | so I replaced the fuse, hooked it up, plugged it in, and it made a sizzle noise. so I stuck my fqace right up to it, because I got really bad eyes and I have to look at everything up close. - and the thing went BANG! got shrapnel all over my face. lol |
| 07:44.45 | Com[Plex] | scared the shiit outa me |
| 07:45.06 | Piete | my friend once opened a monitor, and you guessed it, the let the 30000V Cap short circut... well, hes not 'in to' computers anymore, I can tell you that |
| 07:45.18 | Com[Plex] | hahaha |
| 07:45.29 | Com[Plex] | Ive been electrocuted by monitors a whole bunch of times. |
| 07:45.30 | Wintre | You're not supposed to replace the fuses in a PSU? |
| 07:45.37 | Wintre | What's the point? |
| 07:45.41 | Com[Plex] | you guys familiar with "lifters" ? |
| 07:45.46 | Piete | no.. |
| 07:45.48 | Wintre | I guess prevent it from destroying the rest of the computer, but jeepers |
| 07:45.58 | Wintre | s/electrocuted/shocked/ |
| 07:46.01 | Piete | what are they Com[Plex]? |
| 07:46.03 | Wintre | You can only be electrocuted once |
| 07:46.09 | Com[Plex] | wintre, not, if the fuse goes in a psu, consider yourself lucky that it didnt take your computer with it. if the fuse goes, there is something wrong with it. that means replace the whole psu. |
| 07:46.42 | Wintre | Bad design |
| 07:46.44 | Com[Plex] | a lifter is a little contraption made with balsa wood, tinfoil and wire. and when you apply high voltage electrocity, the thing levetates. |
| 07:46.54 | Com[Plex] | for real. defys gravity with no moving parts |
| 07:47.03 | JasonNJ | morning people. |
| 07:47.03 | Com[Plex] | I made a shitload of em last summer |
| 07:47.53 | Com[Plex] | wintre. the idea is that the fuse is the psus last defence against destroying a mobo., so you blow a fuse, and you just saved your board. |
| 07:48.02 | Piete | when I was 9 I built myself a bed lamp, and as you know, when using bare copper for swiches is common with 1.5v electronics when your that age.. Anyway, after I didnt have any switches, so I took 2 think copper plates, wired them up to + and -, and then put them together to turn them on..... with my bare hands.. |
| 07:48.09 | Piete | I never cried so much in my life :D |
| 07:48.09 | Piete | lol |
| 07:48.24 | Piete | this was with 240V btw |
| 07:48.41 | Piete | s/think/thin |
| 07:48.51 | Com[Plex] | piete, if your still in high school, you can do these for a science project. and you will win |
| 07:49.04 | Com[Plex] | let me get you a link |
| 07:49.28 | Piete | sounds cool :D |
| 07:49.39 | Piete | I think I've seen one of them a few years ago.. |
| 07:50.11 | Com[Plex] | www.americanantigravity.com |
| 07:50.45 | Piete | thanks |
| 07:52.09 | Piete | damn, that looks cool |
| 07:52.45 | Com[Plex] | I made some good ones. - im a meticulous model builder. I built one with 3 feet to a side, and no internal sections. - we hooked it up to a 1960 24 inch tv tube. with about 300,000 volts. it wasnt grounded. so you would nbe standing near the lifter, and randomly getshocked to shit by all the field generated by the lifter getting absorbed into your body. |
| 07:52.46 | Com[Plex] | lol |
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| 07:53.18 | Com[Plex] | we had to put a big ground plate under it wnd run a wire out the window to the earth. |
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| 07:54.00 | Piete | lol! |
| 07:54.04 | Com[Plex] | one time I turned one on, and put my hand through the field, and generated enough juice that I got a 6 inch bolt of lightening that went from me to the ground on the opiwer strip my hand was near |
| 07:54.07 | Com[Plex] | - ouch- |
| 07:54.23 | Wintre | That's what, 60,000 volts? |
| 07:54.29 | Piete | ouch.... |
| 07:54.39 | Piete | we're glad you are still with us :p |
| 07:54.59 | ljp_work | ahh so thats whats wrong with you ;) |
| 07:55.01 | Wintre | Despite your own best efforts ;) |
| 07:55.16 | Com[Plex] | but the truth is. if your not a doofus, youshouldnt get holted, but its not too bad if you do. |
| 07:55.18 | Com[Plex] | heheh |
| 07:55.28 | Com[Plex] | holted jolted |
| 07:56.12 | Piete | heh |
| 07:56.33 | Piete | high voltage == fun |
| 07:56.49 | Com[Plex] | a typical monitor - wich we used as a power source, is about 15,000 to 30,000 volts. you hook uip a could nice fat resistors soto it, and you wont get hurt as much when you get zapped. - keep your ground plate grounded <hasd ours get disconnected once. ouch> and use a resistor to discharge the lifter when you power off to make adjustments. |
| 07:58.05 | Piete | heh, it would be quite a shocking experience if you don't discharge the lifter eh? |
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| 07:58.55 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 07:58.55 | Com[Plex] | yeah, it hurts., hehe. - just in the fingers tho. but it scares ya |
| 07:58.59 | Piete | hey |
| 07:58.59 | benmeyer | I used to have a 14" monitor that was fuzzy. It had not controls on the outside so I opened it up, turned it on and rotaed the knobes for an hour trying ot make it look better |
| 07:59.01 | benmeyer | ahha |
| 07:59.03 | Com[Plex] | hiya |
| 07:59.16 | Com[Plex] | ben, did it work? |
| 07:59.21 | benmeyer | the nobes surounding the base of the tube |
| 07:59.23 | benmeyer | nope |
| 07:59.24 | Com[Plex] | or did you blow it up? |
| 07:59.28 | benmeyer | neither |
| 07:59.31 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:59.37 | Com[Plex] | brave brave man, or stupid |
| 07:59.38 | benmeyer | end of the day it was still fuzzy and went in the trash |
| 07:59.43 | benmeyer | stupid at the time |
| 07:59.46 | Piete | ahhhh |
| 07:59.49 | Piete | no explosions |
| 07:59.51 | Piete | :/ |
| 07:59.55 | Piete | :p |
| 08:00.17 | benmeyer | nope, just made sure to touch the plastic, knew it wouldn't be good if I slipped 1/4" in any direction, but didn't relize how bad |
| 08:00.18 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 08:00.26 | Com[Plex] | yeah, before we started using resistors, we were going through a monitor a day. lol |
| 08:00.36 | Com[Plex] | luckily7 I had a source of useless monitors. hehe |
| 08:01.14 | Piete | cool |
| 08:01.20 | Com[Plex] | http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lifters.htm |
| 08:01.22 | benmeyer | looking back I am amazed I didn't get shocked snese I wasn't looking where my hand was, just looking at the screen with my hand over the top in the case |
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| 08:03.29 | Com[Plex] | hehe. yeah, I know what thats like. -- older monitors have a lot more oif a static field around the front of em. - one more than once have I been picming up a monitor with the screen against my body, and getting my hond fried because its too close the to power plg on the back |
| 08:04.21 | Piete | lol |
| 08:04.24 | benmeyer | haha, guess it is lucky for me that my monitor is 2/3 of my body weight |
| 08:04.27 | Piete | hi mandrake |
| 08:04.33 | mandrake | howdy |
| 08:04.50 | benmeyer | and can't be picked up without help |
| 08:06.45 | benmeyer | simply for the power that is saved... |
| 08:07.12 | Piete | and the extra desk space |
| 08:07.31 | mandrake | desk space premium |
| 08:07.32 | mandrake | heh |
| 08:07.35 | Piete | it would make my world so much bigger(tm) |
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| 08:09.07 | Piete | hey prpplague |
| 08:11.10 | prpplague | lo |
| 08:20.37 | benmeyer | haha gammar and how it relates to programmming: http://www.eventhelix.com/RealtimeMantra/Object_Oriented/object_design_tips.htm#Stay%20close%20to%20real%20world |
| 08:24.19 | prpplague | benmeyer: interesting info |
| 08:24.43 | benmeyer | I have been doing a lot of side reading on optimizationi |
| 08:26.03 | benmeyer | bla |
| 08:26.06 | benmeyer | still sleepy |
| 08:26.10 | benmeyer | can't spell |
| 08:32.13 | Wintre | Heh, optimizing in Italy? |
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| 08:34.04 | BigBoss | howdy |
| 08:34.30 | darienm | treke: ping |
| 08:36.30 | _ibz|work | benmeyer: ok, so how do i get the sdmmc module off to 2.38 onto 2.37? |
| 08:37.04 | _ibz|work | s/to/of/ |
| 08:37.27 | _ibz|work | nite Piete |
| 08:39.25 | darienm | treke: unping for now, but wondering if any VNC clients for linux can scale UP the image (say of a Zaurus) |
| 08:41.00 | benmeyer | man |
| 08:41.15 | benmeyer | _ibz|work download it from the sharp japan site |
| 08:41.28 | benmeyer | when I define functions as const the binary size goes way up |
| 08:41.32 | benmeyer | why would that be? |
| 08:45.59 | _ibz|work | benmeyer: hmmn, ok thanx. |
| 08:56.14 | BigBoss | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=1X16D4EABF3D9E2BE6X7X42D74662C26&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=47454 |
| 08:56.23 | BigBoss | not only does this cost $300, but it doesn't run on the Zaurus |
| 08:56.45 | CrazyGogo | re |
| 08:57.24 | kergoth | morning |
| 08:57.49 | CrazyGogo | morning? |
| 08:57.54 | CrazyGogo | evening! :) |
| 08:58.10 | kergoth | yeah yeah whatever :) |
| 08:58.33 | mandrake | why is it demos always go poorly whenever the new president is trying to figure out how to use your software? |
| 08:58.33 | mandrake | heh |
| 08:58.56 | kergoth | murphy's law of course |
| 08:59.12 | CrazyGogo | of course... :) |
| 08:59.30 | mandrake | murphy is a tad pissed at me I fear |
| 09:00.51 | CrazyGogo | why? did you try to organize your life?!? :)) bad bad boy :)) |
| 09:01.09 | hardwire | mwa ha ha ha |
| 09:01.23 | hardwire | this dude trying to attack one of my networks was running an IRC server |
| 09:01.29 | hardwire | I could actually tell him to hove it |
| 09:01.32 | hardwire | shove it |
| 09:01.34 | hardwire | thats just convenient |
| 09:01.45 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 09:01.47 | hardwire | more hackers should allow direct communications with their victims |
| 09:02.17 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 09:02.19 | ljp_work | thats funny |
| 09:02.36 | hardwire | ljp_work: who are thems peeps you wanted to work for at the dtc? |
| 09:02.52 | hardwire | FUDGYWUGGLES |
| 09:02.57 | ljp_work | oh.. they decided someone else was better.. I forget who |
| 09:02.58 | hardwire | my cat is trying to get into my room |
| 09:03.03 | hardwire | he can turnt he handle a good half the way |
| 09:03.08 | sandman_ | kergoth: Does the patch for usbnet really work for you ? (I get 50% packet loss when pinging from or to the Z) |
| 09:03.09 | hardwire | I have a sick dog in here that my cat wants to beat up |
| 09:03.17 | ljp_work | haha |
| 09:03.18 | Cloudchaser | zowie 300.00 for that!? |
| 09:03.45 | hardwire | ljp_work: ok.. I am just doing some research on denver area colos.. I need somebody with mbone access.. heh.. |
| 09:03.53 | Cloudchaser | and it doesn't run on the z? why's it there? |
| 09:03.57 | kergoth | sandman_: I played with it last night, getting 0 packet loss |
| 09:04.08 | kergoth | sandman_: odd. |
| 09:04.29 | sandman_ | kergoth: Also when the Z is in the craddle and I suspend/resume it, it freezes |
| 09:04.39 | kergoth | sandman_: the Z freezes? |
| 09:05.00 | sandman_ | yep |
| 09:05.04 | kergoth | sandman_: that behavior has been reported, but no-one has been able to reproduce it consistantly, so we cant diagnose |
| 09:05.28 | sandman_ | I *can* reproduce it ;) |
| 09:05.44 | sandman_ | But diagnosing is a bit hard .. |
| 09:05.47 | CrazyGogo | sanfman: with OZ or original sharp rom ? |
| 09:05.53 | sandman_ | OZ |
| 09:06.05 | CrazyGogo | does that happen with the original rom, too? |
| 09:06.17 | CrazyGogo | or *did* ? |
| 09:06.36 | sandman_ | I will probably reflash the retail ROM this evening - so I can test it there too |
| 09:06.45 | kergoth | sandman_: indeed, particularly since we cant exactly look at logs once its hosed :) |
| 09:06.46 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 09:07.09 | kergoth | sandman_: I do think its something bound to our switch to the use if /etc/netowrk/interfaces as a configuration method for usbd |
| 09:07.30 | sandman_ | kergoth: The weird thing is the 50% packet loss .. either 0 or 100 but not ~ every second packet .. |
| 09:07.33 | CrazyGogo | keg: if you write the logs to CF/sd ? |
| 09:07.52 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: the last messages wont be written, as the unit crashed before flushing its buffers |
| 09:08.04 | kergoth | sandman_: i think there may be a timing issue with usbd.. check this |
| 09:08.16 | CrazyGogo | kergoth: but baybe the 'justbeforelast' logs will help :) |
| 09:08.22 | kergoth | sandman_: when you supsend/resume on the cradle, instead of calling ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0;, it often calls ifup usbd0; ifdown usbd0; |
| 09:08.23 | sandman_ | kergoth: That's why serail console on the iPAQs is so useful :) |
| 09:08.33 | kergoth | sandman_: results in having to bring the interface up manually |
| 09:08.59 | kergoth | sandman_: indeed, I have the serial cable |
| 09:09.01 | CrazyGogo | there's no sreial console on the zaurus? |
| 09:09.02 | kergoth | sandman_: but i cant reproduce |
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| 09:09.12 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: go buy a $50 serial cable |
| 09:09.14 | kergoth | ;) |
| 09:09.36 | Cloudchaser | isn't that thin one like 30 or 40? |
| 09:09.41 | kergoth | yeah |
| 09:09.46 | kergoth | still |
| 09:09.49 | CrazyGogo | kergoth: i know :) what kind of connector is it? i mean the plung itself shoulf be available at radioshack or so... |
| 09:10.00 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: wrong |
| 09:10.00 | Cloudchaser | should be.. but isn't ;) |
| 09:10.06 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: the plug is available from one company only |
| 09:10.11 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: afaik |
| 09:10.27 | CrazyGogo | kergoth: which is? |
| 09:10.28 | Cloudchaser | yes that one that sells tehm in 1000 lots |
| 09:10.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 09:10.38 | CrazyGogo | uhhm |
| 09:10.45 | CrazyGogo | maybe sumwhere in europe? |
| 09:10.46 | sandman_ | CrazyGogo: The iPAQ connector is 7 EUR .. so I don't think the Z one is less expensive |
| 09:10.47 | hardwire | heh |
| 09:10.56 | hardwire | I stick my fingers in cats mouths when they yawn |
| 09:10.58 | hardwire | they get confused |
| 09:11.01 | hardwire | and I usualyl bleed |
| 09:11.05 | kergoth | hah |
| 09:11.07 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 09:11.15 | hardwire | don't do that to dogs |
| 09:11.21 | kergoth | I was an hour late to work today |
| 09:11.26 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 09:11.27 | kergoth | wonder if my boss noticed |
| 09:11.31 | CrazyGogo | well i think 50 bucks is way to much for a little soldering :) |
| 09:11.41 | Cloudchaser | heh hope not kergoth |
| 09:12.06 | hardwire | gimme something to burn! |
| 09:12.18 | kergoth | gotta love burning |
| 09:12.21 | kergoth | (when its not you) |
| 09:12.32 | hardwire | ? |
| 09:12.41 | hardwire | awww dog fart |
| 09:12.42 | kergoth | thats burning, that is |
| 09:12.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:13.17 | CrazyGogo | hardwire: me, too! |
| 09:13.23 | hardwire | heh |
| 09:13.38 | CrazyGogo | well lets find a company that sells the connectors :)) |
| 09:13.57 | Cloudchaser | there is only one |
| 09:14.00 | CrazyGogo | i'd produce the serial calbe for half |
| 09:14.01 | Cloudchaser | and they don't sell them singly |
| 09:14.05 | hardwire | THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE |
| 09:14.08 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: no, you wont |
| 09:14.12 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: not when you have to buy 1000 of them |
| 09:14.27 | hardwire | what are you guys trying to buy? |
| 09:14.31 | CrazyGogo | kergoth: well i'd have to solder 100 cables :) |
| 09:14.34 | Cloudchaser | and there is a company sellign a thin one that allows you to open the keyboard |
| 09:14.36 | kergoth | hardwire: he wants the sharp i/o connector |
| 09:14.45 | hardwire | porkyuaoy! |
| 09:14.48 | hardwire | err |
| 09:14.49 | hardwire | por que |
| 09:15.02 | hardwire | replacing one? |
| 09:15.03 | CrazyGogo | Cloudchaser: www.trisoft.de <-- the thi serial cable |
| 09:15.10 | CrazyGogo | hardwire: no, first one :) |
| 09:15.19 | kergoth | hardwire: he wants a cheaper serial cable, even though that company sells the thin commector already |
| 09:15.20 | CrazyGogo | +n = thin |
| 09:15.20 | Com[Plex] | man, whoever ported wget for oz.. I could fuckign kiss em |
| 09:15.21 | kergoth | waste of time |
| 09:15.31 | hardwire | aaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 09:15.33 | hardwire | I got it now |
| 09:15.35 | hardwire | heh |
| 09:15.42 | hardwire | well.. it does have 16 digital io lines |
| 09:15.43 | CrazyGogo | hardwire: the thin one? |
| 09:15.48 | kergoth | indeed |
| 09:15.51 | hardwire | I wouldn't mind a direct interface to it |
| 09:16.00 | CrazyGogo | yes... the problem is the connector at the Z#s side... |
| 09:16.01 | hardwire | so I can play with the gpio registers |
| 09:16.10 | kergoth | hardwire: play with gpio from a kernel module |
| 09:16.12 | kergoth | hardwire: easy enough |
| 09:16.23 | hardwire | but you have to uh.. have pins hooked up tot he io lines |
| 09:16.23 | hardwire | heh |
| 09:16.24 | kergoth | oh you connect things to them |
| 09:16.24 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 09:16.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:16.33 | hardwire | heh |
| 09:16.37 | kergoth | they're already being used for things |
| 09:16.42 | kergoth | youd have to rework stuff |
| 09:16.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:16.47 | kergoth | or lose some fucntionality |
| 09:16.52 | kergoth | bah fuck typing anyway |
| 09:16.54 | hardwire | I will lose it! |
| 09:16.55 | kergoth | cant type today |
| 09:17.02 | hardwire | canty typey today e |
| 09:17.09 | mark | hmm, anyone have any idea what it'd take to get one of those IR keyboards working with the Z? |
| 09:17.29 | kergoth | a driver? |
| 09:17.44 | hardwire | mark: an ir keyboard. |
| 09:17.47 | hardwire | air |
| 09:17.52 | hardwire | possibly a small mirror |
| 09:18.01 | mark | hardwire: heh :) |
| 09:18.03 | hardwire | you could even use water |
| 09:18.16 | CrazyGogo | complaining about the z's keyboard is not an option :) |
| 09:18.28 | hardwire | its about 50000 times more convenient to use x2x or x2vnc |
| 09:18.43 | CrazyGogo | i will definitley start programming java ONLY!! http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/get_string.jpg |
| 09:19.06 | hardwire | heh |
| 09:19.31 | hardwire | CrazyGogo what you don't know.. is that they dressed up a real doll :) |
| 09:19.41 | mark | kergoth: anything about? |
| 09:19.49 | kergoth | mark: dunno :) |
| 09:19.52 | kergoth | mark: i'd assume so |
| 09:20.16 | CrazyGogo | hardwire: my gf loox at least as good, so i dun have to use java *ggg* |
| 09:20.44 | hardwire | CrazyGogo mind if I looz all over your gf? |
| 09:20.48 | hardwire | CrazyGogo mind if I loox all over your gf? |
| 09:20.48 | hardwire | heh |
| 09:20.53 | hardwire | either or really |
| 09:20.53 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 09:21.10 | hardwire | *ggg* what is that anyways? |
| 09:21.17 | CrazyGogo | well |
| 09:21.24 | CrazyGogo | like 'heh' |
| 09:21.27 | CrazyGogo | heehee |
| 09:21.29 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 09:21.32 | hardwire | * Go Go Gadget * |
| 09:21.37 | CrazyGogo | guess only the german equivalent |
| 09:21.39 | benmeyer | gigle almost |
| 09:21.45 | CrazyGogo | yeah |
| 09:21.51 | ljp_work | my girlfriend is really hairy, and is about 1/2 foot tall and plays with duct tape wads |
| 09:22.00 | hardwire | giggle |
| 09:22.02 | CrazyGogo | thers the german word 'grins(en)' |
| 09:22.11 | hardwire | ljp_work hahaha |
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| 09:22.24 | CrazyGogo | ah yes.. the international version is GiGGle |
| 09:22.30 | hardwire | uh oh |
| 09:22.38 | ljp_work | somewhere she found a wad of duct tape and carries it around |
| 09:22.39 | hardwire | the griswalds are at it again |
| 09:22.50 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 09:23.07 | benmeyer | would you ever not want a bool return value to be const? |
| 09:23.48 | CrazyGogo | i think so... |
| 09:24.43 | Wintre | Oh no |
| 09:24.49 | benmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.50 | benmeyer | optimize it the best? |
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| 09:25.14 | CrazyGogo | benmeyer: there's a c 'styeguide' |
| 09:25.17 | kergoth | doh |
| 09:25.18 | CrazyGogo | +l |
| 09:25.23 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: he's not talking about coding style |
| 09:25.29 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: he's talking about optimization |
| 09:25.32 | kergoth | fuck |
| 09:25.35 | kergoth | i was an hour late today |
| 09:25.38 | kergoth | and i know they noticed |
| 09:25.42 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 09:25.45 | benmeyer | many optimizations guild are generic and don't do anything under gcc |
| 09:25.46 | kergoth | because we had a dept meeting during the period when i wasnt here |
| 09:25.47 | kergoth | !! |
| 09:25.51 | sandman_ | http://people.redhat.com/drepper/optimtut1.ps.gz |
| 09:25.57 | sandman_ | is very interesting |
| 09:26.24 | CrazyGogo | kergoth: you'll get kicked?! :) |
| 09:26.39 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: i'm late 3 days out of a 5 of every week |
| 09:26.45 | chouimat | morning |
| 09:26.47 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: my boss is a pussy, i wont get canned |
| 09:26.48 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 09:27.03 | CrazyGogo | kergoth: so it won't matter, coz u'll get kicked anyway :)) |
| 09:27.13 | CrazyGogo | hi chouimat |
| 09:27.30 | Wintre | Wonder if that postscript is still at all up-to-date |
| 09:29.59 | benmeyer | eh, I am sure it is better then nothing |
| 09:30.46 | sandman_ | Wintre: why should that be out-dated ? |
| 09:31.21 | chouimat | kergoth: don't say your boss is a pussy, you insulted my cat |
| 09:31.34 | CrazyGogo | mine, too |
| 09:31.45 | kergoth | lol |
| 09:31.45 | Wintre | sandman: gcc 3.x |
| 09:32.26 | Wintre | It's possible that the compiler has changed enough internally that things which used to optimize well no longer do |
| 09:33.12 | sandman_ | Wintre: No -- It could be that some things meantioned in this text are no longer needed with gcc3 |
| 09:33.13 | Wintre | Though I haven't really read the paper in any detail |
| 09:34.09 | sandman_ | Ulrich Drepper is mister glibc and works for Cygnus .. |
| 09:34.17 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.19 | Wintre | And the paper was written in 1999 |
| 09:34.46 | treke | darienm: None that I know of |
| 09:35.04 | sandman_ | Some parts of it could have been written 1970 and still be useful (read it first) |
| 09:35.25 | sandman_ | Even gcc 4 won't be a visionary |
| 09:35.31 | ljp_work | 1970? |
| 09:35.42 | ljp_work | thats almost bu |
| 09:35.49 | Wintre | Good point, gcc isn't exactly cutting-edge compiler technology |
| 09:35.50 | ljp_work | bu = before unix |
| 09:42.20 | hardwire | heheh |
| 09:42.29 | hardwire | bloody underbite |
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| 09:51.37 | jono | hi all...could someone help me set up my zaurus so it can connect to Linux...I have got the usb driver loaded and it recognised...but I dont know how to add packages to the zaurus |
| 09:52.04 | kergoth | ibot: tell jono about howto |
| 09:52.40 | jono | kergoth: thanks for the info...and I have it recognised...but I have read the HOWOTOs and I cant get the networking going |
| 10:14.55 | sandman|away | kergoth: This usbnet driver is nice: The zaurus works 50% and the iPAQs don't work anymore :( |
| 10:15.04 | kergoth | sandman|away: eek |
| 10:15.39 | sandman|away | product <foobar> not claimed by any driver |
| 10:15.56 | kergoth | did you manually modprobe the driver? |
| 10:16.03 | kergoth | hotplug didnt fire mine up, but loading it manually worked |
| 10:16.06 | Data___ | hi |
| 10:16.21 | sandman|away | Tried this too |
| 10:16.31 | kergoth | odd |
| 10:16.47 | kergoth | i wonder if the thread on linux usb devel had any interesting discussion |
| 10:20.05 | sandman|away | kergoth: It seems like 49f/505a (ipaq) is not exported to /lib/modules/.../modules.usbmap |
| 10:20.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 10:21.32 | hardwire | I think my cat is just mad he is fuzzy |
| 10:21.35 | hardwire | and cute |
| 10:21.45 | hardwire | he tried to eat himself into the size of a tiger |
| 10:21.54 | hardwire | and turned into a big cute fuzzy turkey with a cat head |
| 10:25.00 | darienm | treke: okay thanks. |
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| 10:25.26 | jono_ | hi all...quick question which is baffling me: |
| 10:26.47 | jono_ | I want to get my Z on the internet and I have my main PC which has eth0 with a cable modem connected to it...and I am connected up my Z by USB...the Z has been assigned a local IP address...and my eth0 has an internet IP address...the problem now is how do I get my Z to masq through eth0...the howto says to specify the local IP of eth0, but it has the internet IP....any ideas? |
| 10:27.03 | kergoth | the Z doesnt masq, your desktop does |
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| 10:27.44 | jono_ | kergoth: yeah...but how do I set this up? my eth0 has no local IP address, just the internet address |
| 10:28.02 | kergoth | eh? |
| 10:28.17 | kergoth | theres only one ip on an ethernet interface |
| 10:28.27 | kergoth | there is no 'local' or 'internet' ip on an eth interface |
| 10:28.36 | jono_ | yeah and thats the internet IP |
| 10:28.41 | jono_ | but that IP changes |
| 10:29.07 | kergoth | yes, it does |
| 10:29.09 | kergoth | deal with it |
| 10:29.17 | kergoth | thats the ip you need to use with SNAT |
| 10:29.24 | kergoth | or you can just use MASQ and be done with it |
| 10:29.29 | kergoth | netfilter.org |
| 10:29.29 | jono_ | ahhh so I use that IP witht he route command |
| 10:29.34 | kergoth | no |
| 10:29.52 | kergoth | the route command on the Z sets the gateway to the ip of the usb interface ip of the desktop |
| 10:30.56 | jono_ | ahhh right |
| 10:30.57 | jono_ | I see |
| 10:36.09 | hardwire | blah blah blah |
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| 10:49.31 | jono_ | kergoth: does the IP on usbd0 on the Z need to be the same as on usb0 ont he desktop machine? |
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| 10:50.00 | bill2or3 | I doubt you really want to give 2 machines the same IP... |
| 10:50.21 | jono_ | bill2or3: I was just wondering if they needed to match |
| 10:50.24 | jono_ | I assume not |
| 10:50.25 | kergoth | jono_: no, they must be different. read the howto and buy a book on networking. |
| 10:51.26 | jono_ | well I added the route commands to the Z and set the default gw...I also added the iptables commands from the howto on my debian box and I am having no luck |
| 10:51.32 | jono_ | I can ping the Z problem tho |
| 10:53.16 | jono_ | is there a way to troubleshoot this...I have read all the docs but I am still prety confused |
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| 10:56.12 | jono_ | hmmm |
| 10:56.19 | jono_ | this is difficult stuff |
| 10:56.38 | kergoth | jono_: google. there are tutorials on both basic networking and setting up masquerading. |
| 10:57.25 | jono_ | ok thanks |
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| 11:01.40 | Com[Plex] | juphey.. uh. anyone know where I can get the stupid text codecs files that jeode asks for when trying to run an applet on oz3? |
| 11:01.47 | Com[Plex] | -jup |
| 11:03.59 | treke | does it really need one or does it just spit out an error? |
| 11:05.52 | Com[Plex] | well. its spits out a few errors. I swear I saw them once. - regardless, Im trying to figure out why kaos wont run, and Im starting with one error at a time |
| 11:06.14 | Com[Plex] | I think the textcodecs folder and imagecodecs folder are actually inside the jar. but IM not sure. |
| 11:06.25 | Com[Plex] | Im gonna try mounting the initrd again |
| 11:06.27 | treke | The text codec error and imagecodecs errors can be ignored |
| 11:06.35 | Com[Plex] | okay |
| 11:07.38 | Com[Plex] | next error is a java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError net/ultrametricws/kaos/Kaos |
| 11:07.45 | Com[Plex] | thats the one it pukes on |
| 11:08.58 | Com[Plex] | its weird. when I install qte on here, I have some folders that are not showing up in the initrd when I mount it |
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| 11:16.26 | kryhme | hola |
| 11:16.35 | Com[Plex] | hi again |
| 11:16.43 | Sniper | sup |
| 11:16.55 | kryhme | hows it goin com[plex] |
| 11:17.08 | kergoth | hey Sniper |
| 11:17.20 | Sniper | anything new going on? |
| 11:17.24 | Com[Plex] | not bad. - just trying to figure out how to gert this java all working right on the z :> |
| 11:17.29 | Com[Plex] | oz3 rather |
| 11:17.35 | Sniper | wonderful java.. |
| 11:17.38 | kryhme | jeode? |
| 11:17.41 | Sniper | j2me PP will be released shortly |
| 11:17.49 | Sniper | be prepared for the next evolution in Java |
| 11:17.49 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 11:17.55 | Com[Plex] | whats j2mepp? |
| 11:18.01 | Cloudchaser | hey will printing ever be an option with the z? |
| 11:18.04 | Com[Plex] | oh.. |
| 11:18.06 | kryhme | jave interpreter |
| 11:18.11 | Com[Plex] | coo |
| 11:18.21 | Sniper | http://java.sun.com/products/personalprofile/ |
| 11:18.45 | Sniper | directly from the Z ..hmm |
| 11:18.45 | kryhme | i was trying to get jeode to work on oz3 earlier, i almost have it, but i haven't worked on that in a few days |
| 11:18.51 | Sniper | we are working with www.printme.com |
| 11:19.07 | kryhme | you would think that you could use the IR port to print to capable printers |
| 11:19.13 | Sniper | do u need any tuning docs for jeode? |
| 11:19.26 | kryhme | Sniper: i could use some |
| 11:19.39 | Sniper | i have an email i could send.. what's ur addy? |
| 11:19.45 | Com[Plex] | tuning? |
| 11:20.04 | kryhme | magoun.2@osu.edu |
| 11:20.10 | Com[Plex] | why doesnt that make sense to me.. |
| 11:20.17 | Com[Plex] | nm |
| 11:20.37 | Sniper | sent |
| 11:20.44 | Com[Plex] | kryhme, I got it working for primtest and quazar, but not kaos yet. |
| 11:20.49 | Com[Plex] | I think I missed a file |
| 11:21.01 | Com[Plex] | got an issue with too many symlinks |
| 11:21.11 | Com[Plex] | gotta find a better place for em. |
| 11:21.14 | kryhme | what is kaos? |
| 11:21.26 | Com[Plex] | a fractal generator. java based |
| 11:21.31 | Com[Plex] | ibot kaos |
| 11:21.31 | | Com[Plex]: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 11:21.34 | kryhme | i was trying to get jeode to work so i could use eide or minide |
| 11:21.41 | Com[Plex] | ibot search kaos |
| 11:21.41 | | Com[Plex]: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 11:21.50 | Com[Plex] | fuck it |
| 11:21.50 | kryhme | ibot zsi kaos |
| 11:21.52 | Com[Plex] | I hate that stupid bot |
| 11:22.00 | Cloudchaser | Sniper: that looks like a corporate thing..what about home use? |
| 11:22.41 | Sniper | ahh - hmmm... good question.. im working with these guys on them developing a special client for the Z.. maybe they'll have some home use options |
| 11:23.09 | Sniper | Cloudchaser: send them an email letting them know that you'd like to see a client for the Z - I am meeting with them next week at Comdex.. |
| 11:23.15 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 11:23.32 | Sniper | Cloudchaser : a lot of the development is driven by demand |
| 11:23.37 | Cloudchaser | yeah i know |
| 11:23.54 | Cloudchaser | i've already sent emails to mapopolis and a few others |
| 11:24.02 | Sniper | while we're at it - everyone send an email to Netlock and tell them you want a VPN client for the Z |
| 11:24.04 | Cloudchaser | but get the "yes but no time line" |
| 11:24.13 | Com[Plex] | lol. okay :> |
| 11:24.25 | Sniper | Cloudchaser : thanks - ive also spoken to the mapopolis person.. they always want $$ |
| 11:24.46 | Sniper | Cloudchaser: or until they have enough customer demand, they will develop on their own.. |
| 11:24.52 | Com[Plex] | how about a faster vnc client, thatstores hostnames of amchines youve connected to, and automatically checks the friggin "use 8 bit session" |
| 11:25.14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i think opie's vnc viewer checks that automatically |
| 11:25.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:25.26 | kergoth | it has bookmarks n shit too |
| 11:25.28 | kergoth | thanks to treke |
| 11:25.35 | Com[Plex] | rrrreally. |
| 11:25.42 | Com[Plex] | well what have I got installed here... |
| 11:26.04 | treke | Com[Plex]: Use 8 bit session hasnt been needed for a while |
| 11:26.13 | kergoth | ah there he is |
| 11:26.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 11:26.16 | treke | the original client simply didnt know how to deal with 16bit color :) |
| 11:26.32 | kryhme | i don't know how to deal with 16 bit color sometimes |
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| 11:26.41 | kergoth | hah |
| 11:27.04 | Com[Plex] | oz3 doesnt use the /var/mnt thing? |
| 11:27.13 | hardwire | http://www2.warehouse.com/dynamicpromo.asp?dept_id=6974&cat=pc&article=TabletPC |
| 11:27.15 | hardwire | these are just neat |
| 11:27.18 | hardwire | 1ghz transmetas |
| 11:27.19 | hardwire | heh |
| 11:27.34 | Cloudchaser | i thought vnc didn't work on oz |
| 11:27.40 | Cloudchaser | the vnc server that is |
| 11:27.41 | kergoth | vnc *viewer8 |
| 11:27.45 | hardwire | Surprise Surprise |
| 11:27.46 | kergoth | we're talking about the vnc client |
| 11:27.47 | hardwire | Aheuck |
| 11:27.50 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 11:27.52 | Cloudchaser | ah right sorry |
| 11:28.02 | Com[Plex] | does the serever not work? |
| 11:28.08 | hardwire | cheeky bladders |
| 11:28.16 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: server just needs script tweaking, i havent had time |
| 11:28.27 | kergoth | in fact, ill fix that now before i forget |
| 11:28.50 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 11:29.08 | Com[Plex] | k. uh. what about this /var/mnt thing? it used to eb that way in qte. is /mnt a real dir now or what? |
| 11:29.26 | kergoth | sharp rom? i dont remember how its symlink mess worked anymore |
| 11:29.36 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 11:29.49 | hardwire | btw somebody wrote a neat console symlink manager |
| 11:29.49 | Com[Plex] | yeah. the kaos is having issues with some installdir.sh |
| 11:30.00 | hardwire | just fyi |
| 11:30.00 | hardwire | heh |
| 11:30.03 | Com[Plex] | Ill figure it out soon enough |
| 11:30.20 | hardwire | the Gcc 3.2 compiled initrd is pretty cool |
| 11:30.25 | hardwire | but.. I can't install anything |
| 11:30.26 | hardwire | heh |
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| 11:43.21 | kryhme | i rely on the switch |
| 11:43.27 | oGMo | Prodigy: or sync and hit the battery switch like kryhme said... don't take the battery out and don't full reset, just click it back and turn it on |
| 11:43.29 | Prodigy | the only thing to do then is pulling out the battery and re-install everything |
| 11:43.46 | kryhme | you don't have to pull the batt out |
| 11:43.47 | kergoth | only thing i hate about the soft reset is, it requires the kernel to be there to work |
| 11:43.50 | Prodigy | so when I pull the battery out it's normal it looses everything in seconds? |
| 11:43.51 | kergoth | its not a physical reboot |
| 11:44.03 | kryhme | Prodigy: what do you lose? |
| 11:44.04 | kergoth | Prodigy: use full reset. |
| 11:44.05 | oGMo | Prodigy: you shouldn't pull out the battery either... if you need, hit the FULL RESET switch... read the FAQ ;) |
| 11:44.10 | Prodigy | I can't sync: I stopped stream to port 4242 for security reasons |
| 11:44.18 | Prodigy | kergoth: a full reset will destroy all my data |
| 11:44.28 | kergoth | Prodigy: yes, and? |
| 11:44.31 | kryhme | yeah, you don't need a full reset |
| 11:44.32 | Prodigy | yeah i read the FAQ, but sometimes it's all I can do |
| 11:44.42 | Prodigy | kergoth: I've got a lot stuff on my Z, I can't lose that :( |
| 11:44.47 | kergoth | Prodigy: if the Z kernel crashes, full reset is the only solution. |
| 11:45.12 | oGMo | kergoth: oh, i see, that must be how it keeps stuff in RAM alive on a reset |
| 11:45.13 | oGMo | nifty |
| 11:45.16 | Prodigy | hmm.. it happens 3 times to me in about 1 month :( |
| 11:45.22 | oGMo | i always wondered that |
| 11:45.37 | kergoth | the soft reset thing bothers me |
| 11:45.49 | kergoth | that it depends on kernel i mean |
| 11:45.51 | kryhme | mine locks up if i hit an application key when using the frodo emulator... so then i have to flip the battery switch and it boots up just fine after that |
| 11:46.04 | kergoth | kryhme: yep, the Z kernel was fine, it was the app or opie that hung |
| 11:46.15 | kergoth | kryhme: if the kernel crashes hardcore, full reset is the only solution |
| 11:46.16 | Com[Plex] | anyone here using the sharp rom at the moment? |
| 11:46.17 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 11:46.23 | Prodigy | "<Com[Plex]> waiplug in the power, wait about 20 minutes" if I do that, will I lose my data? |
| 11:46.34 | Prodigy | I'm using the sharp rom |
| 11:46.40 | Com[Plex] | pluggin in your power cord? no |
| 11:46.46 | Com[Plex] | keep the power in when you are installing aps |
| 11:46.53 | Prodigy | Yeah, i do that all the time |
| 11:46.56 | Com[Plex] | that way youi dont run outa juice. |
| 11:47.04 | kryhme | i always forget to do that |
| 11:47.17 | Com[Plex] | anyway, then if you want top reset,. jsut flip the switch ion the back fot he z. and turn it back on. you wont lose your data. |
| 11:47.18 | kryhme | i've flashed my z a bunch of times without putting the power in too |
| 11:47.21 | Com[Plex] | have you tries that yet? |
| 11:47.34 | Com[Plex] | kry. yikes |
| 11:47.44 | Com[Plex] | I tries that once and it wouldnt go. I thoguht it HAD to be plugged in |
| 11:48.06 | Com[Plex] | my s and d kjeys are dwitches |
| 11:48.21 | kryhme | witches? |
| 11:48.26 | kergoth | dwitches! |
| 11:48.30 | Com[Plex] | switched |
| 11:48.41 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 11:48.46 | kergoth | if you're flashing OZ on battery, you're okay |
| 11:48.52 | kergoth | if you run out, it wont do any permanent damage |
| 11:49.01 | Com[Plex] | hey prod: status? |
| 11:49.03 | aj2911 | I am browsing thru the scp man page, saw the "-C" option to compress files. Any one used this ? Any good ? |
| 11:49.27 | BZFlag | aj2911: works wonders for remote X apps. |
| 11:49.44 | Prodigy | sometimes it doesn't do anything when I hit the switch on the back: it just hangs.. |
| 11:50.09 | kergoth | Prodigy: yep, that means the Z is hung hardcore, even kernel is hung up to some point |
| 11:50.09 | Prodigy | hmm.. luckily it responded this time to it: got it running again, thanks guys :) |
| 11:50.24 | kryhme | huzzah!! |
| 11:50.25 | kergoth | great |
| 11:50.27 | aj2911 | BZFlag: well, am asking in context of copying files from winxp sshclient (putty) to Z.... Any ideas there ? |
| 11:50.43 | Prodigy | kergoth: hmm.. not many people can say they can't schedule new events due to a crashed kernel on their agenda :P |
| 11:50.51 | kergoth`food | Prodigy: true that :) |
| 11:50.54 | kergoth`food | bbl |
| 11:51.22 | Prodigy | aj2911: you mean scp transfers? I use winscp for that, very good util |
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| 11:52.17 | aj2911 | prodigy, I will prefer not to install another peice of software on my already overloaded laptop. I use putty to connect to Z, and am planning to use scp from there itself :) |
| 11:53.21 | Prodigy | hmm.. that's possible, not but really nice to work with. Winscp is about 2 Mb, and doesn't require any install: it's just like putty: click'n'go |
| 11:53.32 | Prodigy | ow, and it's free too :) |
| 11:53.40 | aj2911 | :) |
| 11:55.22 | aj2911 | <sigh> looking at WinSCP's website, looks good, will download </sigh> |
| 11:55.28 | Prodigy | hehe |
| 11:55.49 | bobstay | aye, I like winscp :) |
| 11:56.12 | Prodigy | AFIAK the only way to scp with putty is commandline, commandline is nice, but not when you need to get files *real* quick |
| 11:56.16 | hardwire | my house is filled with bad ramen smell and teflon |
| 11:56.42 | bobstay | mmm... ramen.... |
| 11:57.33 | hardwire | mmm smoke filling the house and a pot I am afraid to touch |
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| 11:57.44 | bobstay | mmm... gourmet chef.... |
| 11:57.52 | hardwire | mmm distracted chef |
| 11:58.24 | BZFlag | aj2911: if the files are uncompressed it will help a lot. if they are cramfs or gzipped then it might slow it down a little. |
| 11:59.07 | aj2911 | ya, thats what I was thinking, mp3, mpg files are already compressed enuff, so not much useful :) |
| 11:59.33 | Com[Plex] | WOOT! got kaos running on the oz3. |
| 11:59.57 | Com[Plex] | now I can go home |
| 12:00.37 | coup | sweet :) |
| 12:00.39 | aj2911 | I was thinking about switching to OZ3, went to their website and read that Hancom office deos not work so well, any comments from enlightened people here ? Any specifics ? |
| 12:01.36 | Prodigy | brb, getting myself a headphone |
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| 12:03.01 | aj2911 | WinSCP just looks and works like my FTP client :) Easy to use :) |
| 12:04.15 | mandrake | brb |
| 12:04.18 | Prodigy | yeah dude, it's all you want in life.. well.. almost everything :P |
| 12:04.52 | Prodigy | back, btw :) |
| 12:05.51 | Prodigy | wow, that was a quicky |
| 12:06.05 | Prodigy | dude, your coffeemachine must be so close to your computer.. |
| 12:06.30 | kryhme | i cant stand the taste of coffe just yet |
| 12:06.41 | Prodigy | hmm.. |
| 12:07.22 | Prodigy | Dewdz! I got prboom working on the Zaurus! OMG! This is gonna do it real good at the women :P |
| 12:09.44 | kryhme | Prodigy: yeah, prboom is the shiznat |
| 12:09.56 | kryhme | Prodigy: nes emulators can be a lot of fun too |
| 12:12.05 | aj2911 | The Software manager of Z does not show the "disk" space each program is occupying. Any ideas how to find that out ? |
| 12:12.38 | bill2or3 | du? |
| 12:13.18 | kryhme | that would be a nice feature |
| 12:15.11 | aj2911 | anyone got any good games for Z ? Most stuff at ZSI is lame !! Chess is interesting, so installed it. Wanted a MAME package: was not able to get MaxMame to work. ZMAME's download has a bad link. Any other places to head to ? |
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| 12:17.48 | Prodigy | aj2911: install doom |
| 12:18.01 | Prodigy | nes emulators? hmm.. i'll check that out too, thanks for the pointer |
| 12:18.11 | aj2911 | hmm, interesting, one of my all time favs... got a link ? |
| 12:18.19 | Prodigy | http://de.geocities.com/apillath/ZaurusDoom.html |
| 12:18.27 | Prodigy | but get the latest prboom first from www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 12:18.33 | aj2911 | got it, thanks :) |
| 12:18.37 | Prodigy | np man |
| 12:18.46 | Prodigy | the sound is just killing so good :) |
| 12:18.52 | kryhme | you can also play any of the doom series with that program if you can get the .wad files |
| 12:19.15 | kryhme | plug 'em in and fire it up |
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| 12:19.41 | Prodigy | jeps indeed, but you'll have to get your pocket then |
| 12:19.55 | Prodigy | if you don't got the files from the old days that is. |
| 12:20.13 | kryhme | you can find the files fairly easy on the net |
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| 12:20.16 | Prodigy | aj2911: you can even play network doom with the z, so if a friend has the z to and you both got a wlan device you can play in ad-hoc mode :) |
| 12:20.19 | jono | hi all |
| 12:20.26 | Prodigy | kryhme: is that all legal ;-) |
| 12:20.32 | jono | cans omeone help me with getting my zaurus and linux box to talk...I am still having trouble? |
| 12:20.35 | aj2911 | kewl :) |
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| 12:20.45 | kryhme | you mean illegal? |
| 12:20.56 | jono | anyone? |
| 12:20.56 | kryhme | oh is that legal, no |
| 12:20.57 | Prodigy | hmm.. yeah or is that all *legal* |
| 12:21.00 | Prodigy | jono, openssh? |
| 12:21.05 | kryhme | not technically |
| 12:21.19 | Prodigy | jono, scp? |
| 12:21.20 | jono | Prodigy : I cant get them connected to each other |
| 12:21.24 | kryhme | but i bought doom way back in the day, the way i see it, i did pay for the program. but the hell if i know where it is |
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| 12:21.35 | Prodigy | hmm.. is as easy as i dunno what else.. what's the problem? |
| 12:21.48 | aj2911 | jono: what all have you done ? Is the net up ? Are you able to ping ? |
| 12:21.49 | Prodigy | kryhme: yeah got that same with my own golden classics |
| 12:21.51 | jono | Prodigy : I have got usbdnet installed fine and it registers the device but I cant ping the Z's IP |
| 12:22.05 | aj2911 | jono: which distro ? |
| 12:22.06 | Prodigy | it's nice to play those games on a rainy sunday afternoon, doom, keen, cosmo etc.. |
| 12:22.08 | kryhme | what are you trying to ping? |
| 12:22.13 | Prodigy | 192.168.129.201? |
| 12:22.36 | jono | 192.168.1.201 |
| 12:22.44 | jono | that is the IP when I ifconfig on the Z |
| 12:22.53 | kryhme | try pinging the 129 address |
| 12:22.57 | kryhme | see if it comes up |
| 12:23.02 | jono | one sec |
| 12:23.14 | Prodigy | I love this channel :) |
| 12:23.22 | Prodigy | we should have a bbq some time.. |
| 12:23.22 | jono | nope |
| 12:23.24 | jono | :( |
| 12:23.27 | kryhme | yeah, it find it hard to tear myself away sometimes |
| 12:23.30 | Prodigy | hmm.. so you changed the ip in the z? |
| 12:23.37 | jono | Prodigy : nope |
| 12:23.38 | kryhme | try pinging 129.1 and 129.200 |
| 12:23.54 | Prodigy | if you didn't change it, it should still be 192.168.129.201 afaik.. |
| 12:23.55 | jono | 192.168.129.1 works |
| 12:24.02 | Prodigy | good :) |
| 12:24.10 | jono | 200 doesnt work |
| 12:24.17 | kergoth`food | jono: your Z is on the wrong network. change it to 192.168.129.201. |
| 12:24.26 | jono | 192.168.129.1 is my usb0 |
| 12:24.32 | kryhme | yup |
| 12:24.38 | Prodigy | and what's the ip of your linux box? |
| 12:24.41 | kryhme | you need to get the z on that network |
| 12:24.44 | kergoth`food | Prodigy: irrelevent |
| 12:24.47 | jono | Kergoth : how do I change it? |
| 12:24.48 | kryhme | yes |
| 12:25.11 | Prodigy | oww sorry, indeed it's irrelevant, didn't read his line about usb0 |
| 12:25.16 | kergoth`food | ;) |
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| 12:25.38 | Prodigy | one time I thought I finnaly had it: untill I realized i was pinging myself.. hmm.. I was *very* tired at that time ;) |
| 12:25.58 | jono | how can I change the IP address on the Z ? |
| 12:26.11 | kergoth`food | jono: with the network setup app |
| 12:26.13 | kergoth`food | jono: or manually |
| 12:26.35 | benmeyer | on oz you can that way |
| 12:26.41 | Prodigy | "Network & Sync" |
| 12:26.44 | Prodigy | for usb0 that is |
| 12:26.48 | kryhme | what statement would i use within a void to call an app? |
| 12:26.50 | jono | do I change it by adding the TCPIP service and set it in there |
| 12:27.05 | Prodigy | hmm.. I think you are at "Internet Wizard" |
| 12:27.09 | Prodigy | that's not for the usb0. |
| 12:27.29 | jono | its the nework app I am in |
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| 12:27.48 | kergoth | jono: or just edit /etc/hotplug/usbd.conf |
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| 12:29.45 | jono | ok |
| 12:29.51 | jono | I changed usb.agent |
| 12:29.56 | jono | there was the IP in there |
| 12:30.02 | jono | just restarting the Z now |
| 12:30.37 | jono | hmmm there is no usbd0 now when I do ifconfig ont he Z |
| 12:30.40 | kryhme | anyone know the syntax for using qcop ?? |
| 12:31.08 | kryhme | ibot qcop |
| 12:31.09 | | wish i knew, kryhme |
| 12:31.11 | kergoth | jono: remove from the cradle, reinsert |
| 12:31.12 | kryhme | me too |
| 12:31.57 | jono | kergoth: still not there :( |
| 12:32.47 | jono | weird |
| 12:33.14 | jono | there was no usbd.conf in /etc/hotplug either...just usb.agent |
| 12:33.26 | kergoth | eh? |
| 12:33.27 | kergoth | um |
| 12:33.30 | kergoth | i'm talking about your *Z* |
| 12:33.34 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.37 | kergoth | not your desktop |
| 12:33.40 | jono | sorry I mean usbd.agent |
| 12:33.44 | jono | yeah I mean on the Z |
| 12:33.49 | kergoth | usbd.conf does exist. what rom are you on? |
| 12:34.09 | jono | kergoth: the default one with the SL5000D |
| 12:34.33 | kergoth | you shoudl probably upgrade |
| 12:34.37 | kergoth | the default one was old as dirt |
| 12:34.43 | kergoth | check Applications->Sysinfo |
| 12:35.05 | jono | it doesnt say the rom version |
| 12:35.47 | kergoth | then its very very old |
| 12:35.51 | kergoth | i'd recommend upgrading |
| 12:35.57 | kergoth | that rom wont work with usbdnet |
| 12:36.07 | jono | really? |
| 12:36.09 | kergoth | really. |
| 12:36.19 | jono | dammit all this work for nothing |
| 12:36.23 | jono | so how to I upgrade the ROM? |
| 12:36.25 | kergoth | not really |
| 12:36.30 | kergoth | your desktop is already setup |
| 12:36.36 | kergoth | now you jsut have4 to upgrade your Z and you're set |
| 12:36.57 | kergoth | jono: read up. http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 12:39.10 | jono | so I can only upgrade via CF |
| 12:39.14 | jono | I have no CF writer |
| 12:39.58 | Prodigy | Has anyone prboom running with music (MIDI) support? I guess I need a different SDL mixer lib.. am I right? |
| 12:40.46 | kryhme | i had the sound work fine out of the box |
| 12:40.50 | kryhme | on the sharp rom |
| 12:41.06 | kryhme | i haven't tried prboom on oz yet |
| 12:41.19 | jono | ok cheers folks |
| 12:41.22 | Prodigy | no the sound fx isn't the problem, but there's no background music |
| 12:41.35 | Prodigy | i'm using the sharp rom btw |
| 12:43.40 | aj2911 | me again :) I am not able to delete an address book entry. Any ideas ? I click on the entry, select delete, it just stays there.... Any ideas ? |
| 12:43.45 | kryhme | hm, i don't remember if i had background music or not |
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| 12:44.47 | tboc | hi |
| 12:44.48 | bobstay | edit the xml :P |
| 12:45.49 | kryhme | anyone know how to use Qcop to launch an app? |
| 12:46.11 | kryhme | qcop QPE/System _________(/path) |
| 12:46.30 | kryhme | possibly |
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| 12:56.04 | kryhme | ibot netsplit |
| 12:56.04 | | extra, extra, read all about it, netsplit is the disease of the 21st century |
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| 12:57.39 | Prodigy | aj, www.sharp-usa.com? |
| 12:58.37 | kryhme | what would be the command to format a cf card from the zaurus itself? |
| 12:58.54 | Prodigy | not mkfs? |
| 12:59.00 | Prodigy | after umounting? |
| 12:59.14 | kryhme | i've never done it |
| 12:59.32 | kryhme | so you have to unmount it first? |
| 12:59.42 | bobstay | yup |
| 12:59.43 | Prodigy | yeah, first type mount to see how it's mounted |
| 12:59.44 | bobstay | that helps. |
| 12:59.54 | Prodigy | then do umount followed by the device you seen with the mount command |
| 13:00.17 | Prodigy | but.. I've never formatted a cf card either, this is just my linux experience. |
| 13:00.38 | kryhme | does 'cardctl eject' equivalate to unmounting? |
| 13:01.06 | Prodigy | yeah I think so, you can check it with the mount command |
| 13:01.14 | kryhme | good point |
| 13:02.01 | kergoth | no |
| 13:02.02 | kergoth | its not |
| 13:02.09 | kergoth | cardctl eject will make it no longer available at all |
| 13:02.12 | kergoth | not even to mkfs |
| 13:02.21 | kergoth | use umount, not cardctl eject |
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| 13:02.29 | kryhme | k |
| 13:02.32 | kryhme | thanks kergoth |
| 13:02.38 | kergoth | np |
| 13:02.52 | treke | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.29087.png <-- arrrrrggggh |
| 13:03.10 | Prodigy | hmm.. that's very stupid from me indeed.. after an eject, how would it mkfs it?? |-( |
| 13:03.33 | Prodigy | is that italian? |
| 13:03.41 | kergoth | treke: dear god man |
| 13:03.44 | kergoth | treke: thats scary |
| 13:03.51 | treke | looks more spanish than italian |
| 13:04.17 | kryhme | that's interesting |
| 13:05.09 | kryhme | ok, so i umount /mnt/cf and then what is the syntax to mkfs the cf card? |
| 13:05.19 | kergoth | what filesystem? |
| 13:05.23 | kergoth | mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 13:05.26 | kergoth | or mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda1 |
| 13:05.31 | Prodigy | I would do ext2 |
| 13:05.35 | Prodigy | not a vfat system.. |
| 13:05.38 | kergoth | cant flash with ex2 |
| 13:05.40 | kergoth | ext2 |
| 13:05.47 | Prodigy | hmm.. good point |
| 13:05.54 | Prodigy | does the z supports ext3 btw? |
| 13:05.59 | kryhme | nice, good input, thanks |
| 13:06.11 | Prodigy | that's why this channel is here for :P |
| 13:06.15 | kergoth | Prodigy: it can, but i suspect putting a journal on a flash media would result in lots of unnecessary flash writes |
| 13:06.21 | kergoth | Prodigy: wear out the card faster |
| 13:06.27 | kergoth | imho |
| 13:07.50 | Prodigy | hmm.. yeah that makes sense |
| 13:08.05 | Prodigy | and it doesn't take a long time to fsck on the Z |
| 13:08.11 | treke | kergoth: does OZ default to mounting the cards with the sync option set? |
| 13:08.15 | kergoth | treke: yeah |
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| 13:11.00 | hardwire | Growl |
| 13:12.15 | kryhme | kergoth: i figured out how to use qcop to launch an application, but how can i put it in my void? qcop QPE/Application/embeddedkonsole 'setDocument(QString)' 'ping 127.0.0.1' |
| 13:12.41 | kergoth | kryhme: read the opie source |
| 13:13.14 | hardwire | kryhme you have got to tell me a quick way to launch stuff with qcop |
| 13:13.17 | hardwire | : |
| 13:13.18 | hardwire | ) |
| 13:13.59 | kryhme | you tell me how to add it to a cpp file and i'll tell you how to make it launch jesus and his diciples |
| 13:14.13 | hardwire | heheh |
| 13:19.52 | TeaX | kryhme: you can use QCopChannel::send |
| 13:20.38 | kergoth | h |
| 13:20.41 | kergoth | rm |
| 13:21.12 | kryhme | TeaX: using my qcop line above, what would that syntax look like |
| 13:22.29 | TeaX | send("QPE/Application/embeddedkonsole","setDocument(QString)",data) |
| 13:22.45 | TeaX | read qtopia doc |
| 13:23.02 | TeaX | data is QByteArray |
| 13:23.14 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 13:23.21 | kryhme | me? |
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| 13:24.07 | kryhme | thanks for the help teax |
| 13:24.24 | TeaX | np |
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| 13:28.58 | kryhme | what is this uberhotub thing? |
| 13:29.09 | kryhme | i don't think i have it |
| 13:29.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 13:29.34 | kryhme | embeddedconsole -e uberhotub |
| 13:29.45 | kryhme | listed as one of opie's undocumented secrets |
| 13:29.46 | kergoth | eh? |
| 13:29.52 | kergoth | -e tells it to execute uberhotub |
| 13:30.01 | kergoth | you replace that with whatever you want embeddedkonsole to run |
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| 13:30.34 | kryhme | k |
| 13:31.44 | kergoth | hey ljp |
| 13:32.57 | ljp_work | hi |
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| 13:36.17 | ljp_work | get this.. my cars in the shop cause it wouldnt start all the time. . well.. it started there.. 'it runs fine'... |
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| 13:37.14 | seven | mm, anyone in here who knows where I can find a way to put files onto my zaurus using the usb cradle ? |
| 13:37.20 | seven | i'm using kernel 2.4.20-rc1 |
| 13:37.23 | seven | (willing to change it :p) |
| 13:37.27 | Cloudchaser | hehe ljp, that always happens to me ;) |
| 13:37.28 | ljp_work | ftp port 4242 |
| 13:38.00 | ljp_work | heh ya.. me -" it's intermittant' |
| 13:38.36 | ljp_work | I even tried starting it when the tow truck was there picking it up. |
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| 14:00.47 | Prodigy | btw, you can better use scp for syncing: the ftpd on the Z doesn't check if a root password is set, so everyone can log on and do their damage.. this is *very* dangerous when you're on a hostile lan using wifi |
| 14:01.06 | kergoth | default root pw is blank |
| 14:01.11 | kergoth | default scp has no password either :) |
| 14:01.21 | kergoth | but you can cahnge that with passwd, you cant change the lack of protection on ftp :) |
| 14:03.40 | Prodigy | indeed, that's what I'm pointing out |
| 14:03.57 | Prodigy | btw, when you install openSSH, the install script will ask you to change the root passwd |
| 14:04.14 | numatrix | Prodigy: most of the roms don't allow people on hostile lans to log in to the ftp port. |
| 14:04.15 | kergoth | on the sharp rom it does that? |
| 14:04.21 | numatrix | Not on the latest rom. |
| 14:04.33 | Prodigy | hmm.. |
| 14:04.36 | numatrix | Erhm. nevermind, yeah, it does. |
| 14:04.38 | Prodigy | numatrix, sound strange |
| 14:04.53 | numatrix | Yes, it asks you to change the password, no ftp is not vulnerable on most interfaces. |
| 14:04.56 | Prodigy | so it doesn't allow access from eth0 but it does from usb0 without password? well, that's possible |
| 14:05.02 | raja | i'm selling my two symbol wireless cf cards |
| 14:05.05 | raja | anyone interested? |
| 14:05.13 | Prodigy | sorry, already got one |
| 14:05.18 | seven | idem :p |
| 14:05.18 | numatrix | Prodigy: yup. It works kinda like tcpwrappers; you'll get connected and then immediately dumped as the software checks what interface you're on. |
| 14:05.41 | seven | if someone would like to buy a dlink dwl 500, feel free, it sucks cock : |
| 14:05.42 | numatrix | kergoth: The ssh installer script for the sharp rom is nice. |
| 14:05.42 | seven | :p |
| 14:05.52 | kergoth | numatrix: we dont use scripts in oz, just proper ipk packages |
| 14:05.54 | kergoth | numatrix: heh |
| 14:05.55 | numatrix | seven: No thanks, already have one. :-( |
| 14:06.04 | seven | numatrix: the same one ? |
| 14:06.05 | kergoth | numatrix: should make the postinst dump a warning on blank root pass |
| 14:06.07 | numatrix | kergoth: Yeah, yeah, I know, but it sure is considerate that it makes you change your password. |
| 14:06.20 | numatrix | seven: I've got the dlink that's honking huge and covers both headphones and stylus... |
| 14:06.29 | seven | numatrix: that's not SO bad |
| 14:06.37 | seven | numatrix: that dlink works great here |
| 14:06.42 | seven | numatrix: but the dlink in my pc sux |
| 14:06.49 | seven | no support at all |
| 14:06.53 | seven | even not at windows! |
| 14:07.02 | seven | a little bit of support under windows i mean |
| 14:07.05 | Prodigy | I've got the Linksys WCF12, excellent card: doesn't block anything and a very got antenna |
| 14:07.09 | numatrix | kergoth: Yeah, that's one way of doing it. Come to think of it; the entire script for the zaurus could be moved into an ipkg post install script. Would make more sense. |
| 14:07.16 | kergoth | numatrix: exactly. |
| 14:07.27 | kergoth | numatrix: but postinst scripts have to be careful when asking for user input |
| 14:07.28 | numatrix | Hmm, I wonder who maintains the current ssh? |
| 14:07.32 | kergoth | numatrix: particularly given the GUI |
| 14:07.40 | kergoth | numatrix: you know, the OZ ssh packages may very well work in sharp |
| 14:07.44 | kergoth | numatrix: we could enhance our postint |
| 14:07.46 | kergoth | postinst |
| 14:07.46 | numatrix | kergoth: Hmm, yeah. And even most output is ignored. |
| 14:08.01 | kergoth | well, not in aqpkg or oipkg |
| 14:08.04 | Prodigy | hmm.. but the script requires some user input: the key passphrases |
| 14:08.05 | kryhme | sharp rom doesn't have ssh? |
| 14:08.05 | kergoth | you can -see- the messages |
| 14:08.10 | kergoth | kryhme: not by default. you install it |
| 14:08.15 | kryhme | i had no idea |
| 14:08.36 | kryhme | guess that does make it safer for all those roots walking around with a shell interface |
| 14:08.42 | numatrix | kergoth: the ssh for sharp rom is a tar ball you extract and then run the script which does the rest. Forces people to do it from console... |
| 14:09.29 | TeaX | kergoth: i installed oz3(gcc-3.2) and i get bus error in fsck on boot |
| 14:09.30 | kergoth | numatrix: yeah, i know |
| 14:09.35 | kergoth | TeaX: yes, i know |
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| 14:09.40 | kergoth | TeaX: just exit, and all will be well |
| 14:09.51 | kergoth | TeaX: e2fsprogs is borked in the gcc3.2 build, get a alignment problem, i'm working on it |
| 14:09.55 | TeaX | i know |
| 14:10.06 | TeaX | app seems start faster |
| 14:10.58 | kergoth | yeah, i noticed that |
| 14:11.01 | kergoth | it feels more responsive |
| 14:11.04 | numatrix | kergoth: after a quick look through the post-install script, it could very well work. Only difference is that the one for the sharp rom currently installs it as an inetd service instead of using sshd, iirc. |
| 14:11.07 | kergoth | too bad about the loss of BC |
| 14:11.15 | numatrix | Yeah, that is a bummer. |
| 14:11.21 | kergoth | numatrix: yeah. starting it from inetd can run into a timing issue with key auth |
| 14:11.27 | kergoth | numatrix: per tim riker, thats why we dont |
| 14:11.56 | numatrix | Hmm, interesting. I knew it added a substantial delay, but figured it might be worth it to save the memory; didn't realize it affected key auth. I've only tried key authentication the other way. |
| 14:12.39 | kergoth | numatrix: oz 2.0 spawned it from inetd, i never ran into it, but I figured i'd preempt future bugs and ditch it |
| 14:12.43 | kergoth | numatrix: :) |
| 14:13.34 | numatrix | Probably wise. Anything to save on the number of complaints. ;-) Bad enough as it is. |
| 14:14.12 | kergoth | exactly |
| 14:14.23 | kergoth | nevermind that half of them are valid |
| 14:14.25 | kergoth | even so |
| 14:14.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:14.47 | numatrix | *shhh* Better to keep the users ignorant. Makes 'em more pliable. |
| 14:14.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:15.05 | kergoth | 80% are user error |
| 14:15.11 | kergoth | 15% are opie bugs |
| 14:15.19 | kergoth | 5% are real bugs outstanding in oz itself |
| 14:15.41 | numatrix | I'd chalk more up to opie and slightly less to user, but I think you'd have a better perspective on complaints than I would. ;-) |
| 14:15.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:15.55 | kergoth | you could be right |
| 14:15.58 | kergoth | ;) |
| 14:16.00 | tux_mike | avast ye! |
| 14:16.10 | numatrix | Pirate Mike? Is that you? |
| 14:16.21 | tux_mike | yarr |
| 14:16.44 | tux_mike | so, by the definition of the MPAA, i'm a fithy pirate |
| 14:16.50 | numatrix | You're evil now. Evil and tainted. |
| 14:16.57 | kergoth | yes, evil |
| 14:16.58 | kergoth | enjoy it |
| 14:16.59 | kergoth | its fun |
| 14:17.25 | tux_mike | but, by RIAA's definition, we are all filthy pirates! YARR! |
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| 14:21.13 | JasonNJ | yeaux |
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| 14:21.40 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ |
| 14:22.31 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth: I got a question. - I took the sharp rom, and mounted it so I could access the files. - but there are a ton of files that arent there. things like the applicaion menues and stuff. I cant find em anywhere |
| 14:22.40 | mandrake | JasonNJ: howdy |
| 14:22.45 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yep, its their mess |
| 14:22.48 | Com[Plex] | shoulnt it be basically identical to the z? minus the missing symlinks? |
| 14:22.50 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: remember, /home is a ramdisk |
| 14:22.51 | CrazyGogo | huhu |
| 14:22.52 | CrazyGogo | re |
| 14:22.54 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 14:22.59 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: cp -a it to a dir you can write to |
| 14:23.08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: then cd home; tar xvf ../root/.home_default.tar |
| 14:23.45 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 14:23.59 | kergoth | then the links will be sane |
| 14:24.03 | kergoth | you have no idea how bad the links are |
| 14:24.08 | kergoth | they link into home and back out again, and shti |
| 14:24.21 | Com[Plex] | yeah.. hm.. |
| 14:24.24 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 14:27.26 | Com[Plex] | DOh |
| 14:27.33 | Com[Plex] | now I see. friggin hidden files. |
| 14:27.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:27.36 | Com[Plex] | sheesh |
| 14:27.37 | kergoth | yes |
| 14:27.41 | kergoth | its a mess |
| 14:28.29 | Prodigy | erm.. can I ask a kinda strange question? |
| 14:29.02 | Com[Plex] | uh.. sure? |
| 14:29.05 | CrazyGogo | kergotz is your man :) |
| 14:29.13 | Prodigy | There's a stupid song in my head all the time, but I can't figure out which one it is.. I only got one rule: "'cause we're living in a (..) world, cause we're livin in a (...) world.." what is the damn name of that song?? |
| 14:29.21 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 14:29.30 | CrazyGogo | free? |
| 14:29.33 | Prodigy | the second time the (...) is sung higher |
| 14:29.34 | CrazyGogo | world? |
| 14:29.41 | Prodigy | no, more something like happy world.. but it's not happy |
| 14:29.42 | *** join/#zaurus Cloudchaser (Cloudchase@ool-182dd8bb.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 14:29.45 | CrazyGogo | dance florr bla |
| 14:29.50 | CrazyGogo | -r +o |
| 14:29.52 | Prodigy | hmm. nah, that's not the one |
| 14:29.57 | Com[Plex] | unce unce unce unce |
| 14:30.03 | Prodigy | hmm.. this could be off-topic here though.. ;P |
| 14:30.19 | CrazyGogo | yes - kick or ban? :) |
| 14:30.21 | Com[Plex] | woopty doo |
| 14:30.34 | Com[Plex] | I was taling abut my volcano ass yesterday |
| 14:30.38 | Prodigy | hmm.. how about me singing a song.. that is punishment.. for you though.. :P |
| 14:30.48 | Prodigy | you was? wow, that's even more offtopic |
| 14:30.51 | CrazyGogo | hmm |
| 14:30.51 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 14:31.14 | CrazyGogo | Com[Plex]: your da casemod freak?! :) |
| 14:31.16 | Com[Plex] | its true. shit was spewing out of me like fucking lava. I was in agony. |
| 14:31.22 | Com[Plex] | yeah CrazyGogo: da me |
| 14:31.26 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 14:31.29 | CrazyGogo | got a milling machine? |
| 14:31.33 | Prodigy | wow, did you hit your Z with your shit?? |
| 14:31.36 | Com[Plex] | yes - well acess to one |
| 14:31.46 | CrazyGogo | ok.. nice |
| 14:31.56 | Com[Plex] | no prod, I was careful o put the splash guard on |
| 14:32.02 | CrazyGogo | Prodigy: nie words you've found there :)) |
| 14:32.18 | Prodigy | hehe lol |
| 14:32.24 | Prodigy | wow, kinda brave to paint the Z |
| 14:32.30 | TheMasterMind1 | who's is this mod stuff? |
| 14:32.38 | TheMasterMind1 | whose rather |
| 14:32.39 | Com[Plex] | thanks. I need to redo it tho, the paint is flaking off the back a little |
| 14:32.43 | Com[Plex] | mine mastermind |
| 14:32.48 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: hey, what's this fixed lirc thing? |
| 14:33.10 | CrazyGogo | Com[Plex]: is the case easy to disassemble? |
| 14:33.10 | Com[Plex] | well. lirc is the infra red controller driver. |
| 14:33.21 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: yes, i know that. what's fixed about it. does it work now? |
| 14:33.31 | Com[Plex] | the installer was pooched, I rebuilt it, but its still not working. the app needs to beported. - or it did back then. |
| 14:33.31 | TheMasterMind1 | if it is, i'd like to get it added to oz |
| 14:33.33 | tboc | btw. is there a free java-vm available for OZ or do i have to use jeode? |
| 14:33.38 | Com[Plex] | I think its long since done now tho. |
| 14:33.45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:33.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i need someone to test that |
| 14:33.55 | TheMasterMind1 | and if it works, tell me how and i'll add it to oz |
| 14:34.05 | CrazyGogo | tboc: so far JEODE |
| 14:34.08 | Com[Plex] | tboc. use jeode, I should have a package for it any minute now |
| 14:34.18 | tboc | Com[Plex]: that would be nice =) |
| 14:34.19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:34.21 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen nasa |
| 14:34.21 | | i haven't seen 'nasa', TheMasterMind1 |
| 14:34.22 | Com[Plex] | installable. right ow im distraced, hehe, using Kaos |
| 14:34.28 | CrazyGogo | TheMasterMind1: is there no IR support in OZ so far? |
| 14:34.39 | Com[Plex] | stick around, and Ill put it up in a half hour or so |
| 14:34.42 | tboc | great |
| 14:34.43 | JasonNJ | btw, I hear sun is going to be releasing "spiderman" into GA any week now |
| 14:34.58 | Com[Plex] | I thought I saw opie-remote a second ago |
| 14:34.58 | TheMasterMind1 | CrazyGogo: IR works, just not lirc stuff which is used for remote control |
| 14:35.02 | Prodigy | hmm.. lemme bring a topic: how do guys feel about the 'new' sl-5600? |
| 14:35.14 | numatrix | I think it's special. |
| 14:35.18 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: you were working with nasa on the new jeod creater? |
| 14:35.20 | CrazyGogo | Prodigy: had that topic all day and nite :( |
| 14:35.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i think it sucks. |
| 14:35.29 | Prodigy | oww sorry.. I was offline the last 48 hours |
| 14:35.38 | Prodigy | well, by offline I mean not here :P |
| 14:35.42 | Com[Plex] | prod. im excited. but then, I am pretty happy with my 5000d |
| 14:35.44 | JasonNJ | mastermind: why do you think it sucks |
| 14:35.59 | Prodigy | it has not very new features I think |
| 14:35.59 | tux_mike | it works! it all works! perfectly! *evil cackle* |
| 14:36.05 | Com[Plex] | TheMasterMind1: no, Im jsut taking the jeode out of the old shaopr rom to make it run on the oz3 |
| 14:36.20 | TheMasterMind1 | well, doesn't suck. i wouldn't buy it for more money over the 5500 if i had a choice though |
| 14:36.20 | Prodigy | just better cpu and more mem.. and ofcourse the internal speaker and mic (that's something which is a very nice feature).. but that's about it |
| 14:36.23 | Com[Plex] | sharp |
| 14:36.27 | tboc | Prodigy: 1700mah battery? more flash? |
| 14:36.31 | numatrix | Prodigy: really? Seems like a lot of really nice fixes. Sharp really listened to people's complaints and did a good job updating the device. I think people are just whiny 'cause it's not the C700. ;-) |
| 14:36.34 | Prodigy | okay, and the battery |
| 14:36.44 | Com[Plex] | 1799mah, the largest battery of a hand held todate. supposedly |
| 14:36.49 | Com[Plex] | 1700 |
| 14:36.57 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: hmm, ok. you know that's illegal? |
| 14:37.09 | Prodigy | huh? |
| 14:37.12 | numatrix | Not to mention it's got a lot of updated software, including Opera 6.0 which is super-nice since that has flash and java support built in. |
| 14:37.27 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: illegal? |
| 14:37.31 | tboc | numatrix: who needs flash? =) |
| 14:37.42 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, you're not allowed to distribute jeod/opera/hancom |
| 14:37.46 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: what's the difference between pulling the files directly from the rom, and flashing the rom and then pulling the files out. |
| 14:37.49 | Com[Plex] | master, it would be alot more illegal if the zaurus didnt come shipped with this built in. - but since it does, all we are theoretically doing is removing the unwanted sharp crap. we arent pirating jeode |
| 14:37.59 | Com[Plex] | numatrix: exactly |
| 14:38.05 | CrazyGogo | opera 6 stil suckz... |
| 14:38.09 | tboc | btw. perhaps we're able to use the battery with the 'normal' zaurus? |
| 14:38.10 | TheMasterMind1 | no, pulling it out isn't the problem |
| 14:38.12 | TheMasterMind1 | distributing it is |
| 14:38.14 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: I didn't get the impression he was ripping it to package up for people. Maybe I misunderstood. |
| 14:38.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought he was.. |
| 14:38.34 | numatrix | I thought he was releasing code that would rip the files from the rom. Com[Plex]? |
| 14:38.44 | tboc | TheMasterMind1: ok, sharp distributes jeode anyway |
| 14:38.52 | Com[Plex] | :) |
| 14:38.55 | TheMasterMind1 | tboc: they have a license.. |
| 14:39.07 | Com[Plex] | hey guys, check this out; |
| 14:39.10 | Com[Plex] | I dont give a fuck :> |
| 14:39.12 | Com[Plex] | woops! |
| 14:39.14 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 14:39.23 | tboc | TheMasterMind1: yeah but anyone can grab the files from sharp and extract jeode ... |
| 14:39.31 | Com[Plex] | I payd for the apps you guys make in here. and I pirate MS apps. *gasp* |
| 14:39.42 | Com[Plex] | I said the truth! |
| 14:39.54 | TheMasterMind1 | tboc: yes, i know. there's nothing wrong with that. but distributing that extracted jeode isn't allowed |
| 14:40.02 | TheMasterMind1 | not that i give a fuck, i'm just warning you |
| 14:40.06 | tboc | *g* |
| 14:40.08 | Com[Plex] | I boguht a ton of tkc apps, and almost all the eongames apps. uh, even half a dozen on handango |
| 14:40.26 | numatrix | Look, the easy way to do it is to distribute a shell script that anybody can download and run themselves against the sharp rom that will pull it out and make it. |
| 14:40.37 | CrazyGogo | Com[Plex]: satisfied with Tkc apps? |
| 14:40.42 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: yea, but its not that easy |
| 14:40.43 | *** join/#zaurus Bruton (Enigma@pc4-mfld1-4-cust55.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 14:40.45 | tboc | TheMasterMind1: ok - so where's the manual how to extract the files ... i'm almost sure that there was one - but i can't remember where |
| 14:40.48 | numatrix | In fact... Hmm.... I think I'll convert the ipkg creators into shell scripts that will work on roms, as soon as the latest round of revisions get done. |
| 14:40.49 | Prodigy | %$*@(%@# I just hate it when you want to know something but you can't come up with it :-/ |
| 14:40.50 | TheMasterMind1 | because you need cramfs and loopback stuff in your kernel |
| 14:40.54 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: why not? |
| 14:40.58 | Com[Plex] | but I dont feel liek Ill hurt anyons feelings if I pakcage up the jeode files completely. sides that, i had to modify some of them |
| 14:40.59 | numatrix | tboc: Rom exploder on zsi, i think. |
| 14:41.00 | TheMasterMind1 | and if its not in the kernel, the shell script can't work |
| 14:41.02 | numatrix | ibot: zsi exploder |
| 14:41.06 | tboc | numatrix: ok, thx |
| 14:41.13 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: modify what? |
| 14:41.14 | numatrix | ibot: zsi rom |
| 14:41.27 | Com[Plex] | CrazyGogo: I am happy with some of them. unhappy with others. but Ive been badmouthing some of them a little too much lately. |
| 14:41.45 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: what needs to be changed for it to work on OZ |
| 14:41.51 | Com[Plex] | the editor owns. |
| 14:42.05 | numatrix | tboc: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=262 |
| 14:42.15 | tboc | numatrix: thx |
| 14:42.17 | Com[Plex] | uh.. some paths do, a script needs a bit of modification, and uh. well Im not comleted yet |
| 14:42.19 | numatrix | tboc: Sure thing. |
| 14:42.30 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: installer.sh ? |
| 14:42.36 | Com[Plex] | yeah, thats one |
| 14:42.38 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 14:42.39 | Com[Plex] | installdir.sh |
| 14:42.41 | numatrix | Hmm, somebody just updated the jeod creator on ZSI. That thing good? |
| 14:42.43 | Com[Plex] | sorry |
| 14:42.44 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa figured out that stuff the other day |
| 14:42.50 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 14:42.53 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be good if you talked to him |
| 14:42.53 | Com[Plex] | well I wasnt here for it |
| 14:42.54 | benmeyer | yah I was wondering about that |
| 14:42.56 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: so that's his stuff on ZSI now, right? |
| 14:43.02 | TheMasterMind1 | he's going to be updating jeodecreator |
| 14:43.03 | benmeyer | sense it is on my page and I didn't update it |
| 14:43.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno if he did |
| 14:43.06 | Cloudchaser | the screenshot is huge! |
| 14:43.09 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, so he did update it? |
| 14:43.14 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: well, there's a new entry changed today... |
| 14:43.26 | Com[Plex] | ibot zsi jeode |
| 14:43.33 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: that's him then |
| 14:43.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot zsi jeod |
| 14:43.59 | numatrix | Umm, the link is still the one on Ben's site... |
| 14:44.11 | Prodigy | hmm.. prboom runs pretty unstable on my Z. |
| 14:44.15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, that description sucks. |
| 14:44.18 | benmeyer | http://phil.freehackers.org/pretty-make/index.html |
| 14:44.18 | numatrix | Prodigy: really? Ran great for me. |
| 14:44.21 | benmeyer | cool |
| 14:44.35 | Prodigy | I tried to change the keybindings, and my Z hung several times now.. |
| 14:44.41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, so i guess it wasn't updated after all |
| 14:44.42 | numatrix | benmeyer: Any idea what changed about the jeodcreator app on zsi? |
| 14:44.47 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. |
| 14:44.48 | benmeyer | nope |
| 14:44.55 | Bruton | has anyone thought of syncing with Lotus Notes yet? |
| 14:44.57 | Prodigy | numatrix: today they released a new prboom.. maybe that's the problem. |
| 14:45.00 | numatrix | Wierd. They really need to have changes visible somehow... |
| 14:45.05 | numatrix | Prodigy: That's the one you're running? |
| 14:45.14 | Prodigy | yeah, 2.23 or some like that |
| 14:45.32 | Prodigy | prboom_2.2.3-2_arm.ipk |
| 14:45.35 | numatrix | Prodigy: Apparently. yeah, updated yesterday. What doesn't work about it? |
| 14:45.37 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: see if you can talk to nasa sometime. we want to get an updated jeodcreator that will create good ipks that work on OZ. also, a small program that you can download which gets the sharp rom and makes the ipk for you would be nice. and if you want to distribute the ipks thats cool too. |
| 14:45.39 | numatrix | I'm glad I still have 2.2.2. |
| 14:46.09 | Prodigy | well, when I change the keybindings it justs hangs on some keys.. and when hitting the home button while playing my Z hangs too |
| 14:46.24 | numatrix | Prodigy: That's not prboom's fault... |
| 14:46.32 | Com[Plex] | good tip themaster. Ill look into it |
| 14:46.33 | Prodigy | just problems with double mappings? |
| 14:46.35 | numatrix | Prodigy: you need to use the application keys program to remap those keys to nothing so they're not grabbed. |
| 14:46.42 | numatrix | Prodigy: yeah. |
| 14:47.01 | Prodigy | hmm.. I see.. well, changing the app keys just for a game goes a little too far.. but thanks for the pointer |
| 14:47.53 | numatrix | Prodigy: or the program needs to be recompiled to grab the keys itself. I should email alex and suggest he do that. That's what I did with my sdl gameboy emulator... |
| 14:47.53 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: same thing with hancom stuff and maybe even opera. hancomword and opera, as of now, don't work in OZ. also, if you're making an ipk, make sure it doesn't depend on qpe-base =1.5.0 |
| 14:47.54 | Prodigy | hmmm |
| 14:47.54 | TheMasterMind1 | >= 1.5.0 will work i think |
| 14:47.54 | Prodigy | does anyone know how to set a password on the FB VNC server? |
| 14:47.56 | *** join/#zaurus TeaX (~tx@ppp-156-154.27-151.libero.it) |
| 14:47.58 | Com[Plex] | nope |
| 14:48.00 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX: yo |
| 14:48.02 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: opera has worked before, nobody just knows how to get it to work now... |
| 14:48.02 | Com[Plex] | no way to do it |
| 14:48.18 | Com[Plex] | no way to set a pass under fbvnc |
| 14:48.18 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: yea, it segfaults or bus errors now. something changed |
| 14:48.24 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: the trick is to have it depend on qpe-base (no version info after it) |
| 14:48.26 | TheMasterMind1 | and hancom word is broken with the new qte version we're using |
| 14:48.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, ok. no version then |
| 14:48.35 | Prodigy | hmm.. no pass :( |
| 14:48.44 | *** join/#zaurus collord (~collord@216.210.183.8) |
| 14:48.47 | Prodigy | then I can only run it when I'm *really* sure about intruders.. |
| 14:48.48 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: no, it's always segfaulted on any OZ using the opera-creator. Someone ~manually~ ripped it and got it working, but nobody's worked on it since then. |
| 14:48.55 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: and yeah, I know about word and qte. :-) |
| 14:49.09 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: hmm, ok. any idea who this someone was? |
| 14:49.15 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: Harlekin. |
| 14:49.18 | Prodigy | is there any firewall for the sharp rom available? (iptables would be great) |
| 14:49.25 | numatrix | Prodigy: OZ has iptables. |
| 14:49.27 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: ok. i'll talk to him about it |
| 14:49.38 | Prodigy | yeah I know.. but I'm a coward, I don't dare to switch to OZ, maybe later |
| 14:49.44 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: yeah. Actually, I'm gonna give it a whirl now and see how it goes. |
| 14:49.45 | Prodigy | then I could do the translation to Dutch too |
| 14:49.55 | Com[Plex] | his Kaos is pretty cool :> |
| 14:49.57 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: hi |
| 14:50.10 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: sounds good. if you want to be incharge of operacreator just tell ben and go ahead |
| 14:50.27 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: I'll play for a while and if I get it working, I'll take it over and let him know. |
| 14:50.33 | Prodigy | so there isn't any firewall for the sharp rom? only for oz? |
| 14:50.59 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: ok. he doesn't have time to mess with em anymore so he'll be glad if you do |
| 14:51.02 | numatrix | ibot: rom update |
| 14:51.02 | | rumour has it, rom update is http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate4.asp. UK ROM is at http://www.sharp.co.uk/zaurus/support/support.htm |
| 14:51.49 | numatrix | Prodigy: you might be able to install the iptables module on sharp rom. |
| 14:51.59 | Prodigy | hmm.. I heard a couple of stories about people with death Zaurusses after updating ROM :( |
| 14:52.09 | TheMasterMind1 | i think there's an iptables ipk on Zsi |
| 14:52.13 | Prodigy | numatrix: that sounds like a h*ll of a job.. |
| 14:52.29 | Prodigy | numatrix: i'll take a look at it as soon as i got a lot time left :P |
| 14:55.23 | kergoth | AHHHHHH |
| 14:55.25 | kergoth | !! |
| 14:55.38 | kergoth | there are THREE techs left in suppport, everyone else is at a meeting |
| 14:55.48 | kergoth | there are 4 calls in queue, and nobody around to answer them but me |
| 14:55.50 | kergoth | FUN! |
| 14:55.51 | treke | kergoth: could be a good thing |
| 14:55.59 | treke | kergoth: perhaps the others are being fired |
| 14:56.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:56.17 | badl | kergoth: and you choose not to answer the calls, but instead talk on irc ;) |
| 14:56.30 | kryhme | kergoth: who do you work tech support for? |
| 14:58.03 | Prodigy | sharp -doh ;-) |
| 14:59.19 | ZzzGogo | nite everybody... |
| 14:59.32 | ZzzGogo | pretty late over here university tomorrow :(( |
| 15:01.43 | Prodigy | Anyway I'm out too.. got about 7 hours left to sleep and I damn need them... |
| 15:01.45 | Prodigy | Good night all |
| 15:01.47 | badl | cashless systems.. we are all lost in the hollocaust... victory to our enemies.... the new order with no borders.... |
| 15:03.45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, not sharp |
| 15:03.50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth works for digitech |
| 15:03.52 | TheMasterMind1 | iirc |
| 15:03.55 | kergoth | close |
| 15:03.58 | kergoth | Digi international |
| 15:03.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:04.03 | kergoth | serial ports |
| 15:04.06 | kergoth | formerly known as Digiboard |
| 15:04.13 | Bruton | what are the SL-B500 and the SL-C700 ?? |
| 15:04.23 | TheMasterMind1 | where are they? |
| 15:04.28 | *** join/#zaurus linfel (~linfel@pool-151-197-16-90.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:04.30 | TheMasterMind1 | Bruton: where do you see that |
| 15:04.40 | Bruton | at www.sharp-world.com |
| 15:05.05 | Bruton | both released yesterday. They look exactly like the 5600 and the 300 |
| 15:05.12 | badl | Bruton: the C700 is the japanese "clamshell" zaurus |
| 15:05.15 | Bruton | http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/index.html |
| 15:05.23 | Bruton | same as the 300 |
| 15:05.27 | numatrix | Bruton: the C700 is the super crazy cool laptop looking Z released in japan. |
| 15:05.45 | Bruton | the japanese version is the a300 isnt it? |
| 15:05.46 | numatrix | it was originally called the c300, but to avoid naming confusing with the a300, was renamed. |
| 15:05.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i like the c700 |
| 15:05.51 | numatrix | Bruton: two seperate devices. |
| 15:06.13 | badl | TheMasterMind1: i'm not sure the c700 looks that good in "tablet" mode... |
| 15:06.24 | Bruton | it looks more like these are the UK US and German version of the Japanese models |
| 15:06.25 | Com[Plex] | mastrer, I too want the c700. I used to have a sharp mobilon tripad, with the 7 inch lcd and that you could flip over and yuse as a tablet. |
| 15:06.37 | Com[Plex] | it was AWesome. till my friends toddler sat on it and busten the lcd |
| 15:06.38 | Com[Plex] | :< |
| 15:06.39 | numatrix | Bruton: The a300 is the reall small zaurus without a keyboard already out in japan only. The c700 is the next gen zaurus released in japan only shortly (officially announced yesterday) that everyone was drooling over the cebit (or whatever show it was) photos of it from a while back. |
| 15:07.08 | Bruton | ahhh I thought the 300 was teh clamshell model |
| 15:07.09 | Com[Plex] | thos friggin japanes guys are spoiled. they have all the coolest hardware before we do :< |
| 15:07.21 | Bruton | you should see the laptops that they havve |
| 15:07.26 | TheMasterMind1 | man, i want the c700 |
| 15:07.26 | badl | Com[Plex]: but they buy tech toys more than the west |
| 15:07.29 | Com[Plex] | no kidding |
| 15:07.34 | numatrix | B500 definitely looks like the 5600. Hmm, except the 5600 appears to have a darker bar where the "Personal Mobile Tool" is written. |
| 15:07.35 | Com[Plex] | :< |
| 15:08.51 | numatrix | What? Ben said the c700 had poor battery life. They're claiming 4hours 50 minutes continuous display?! |
| 15:08.52 | Bruton | what bar are you on about |
| 15:09.07 | numatrix | That's better than the 5500... |
| 15:09.29 | numatrix | Bruton: Where "Personal Mobile Tool" is written just above the hardware buttons. |
| 15:09.31 | badl | it would be nice to get 8 hours battery life with lcd and back light on full for the whole time |
| 15:09.44 | numatrix | badl: You can if you plug in some double a's to it. :-) |
| 15:09.50 | Bruton | what picture are you looking at |
| 15:10.04 | Bruton | badl check the 5600 then |
| 15:10.17 | badl | numatrix: yeah but that becomes expensive... better yet.. to get a small laptop battery which you can recharge as required ;) |
| 15:10.29 | numatrix | Bruton: I'm comparing: http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600/zccld1 with http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/021112_02.html |
| 15:10.37 | numatrix | Could just be the reflection though... |
| 15:10.51 | numatrix | But the 5600 does definitely have a dark bottom. |
| 15:11.16 | numatrix | Hmm, yeah, the bar does look darker, even on other views: http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600/zdualslot |
| 15:11.18 | Bruton | nah the 5600 looks darker because it has been scanned in on a desktop scanner |
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| 15:11.28 | numatrix | Bruton: look at the second shot. |
| 15:11.41 | numatrix | Or rather, the third. Whatever; the one I just pasted. |
| 15:11.56 | Bruton | yes i seen the second one of the b500 was taken from a camera |
| 15:12.13 | numatrix | Those are the official sharp PR photos. I think it's funny though that you can see where someone blacked out the screen. |
| 15:12.17 | numatrix | Poorly. |
| 15:12.28 | Bruton | third one is just lack of light on the picture at that place |
| 15:12.45 | Com[Plex] | wget http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeode-for-oz3_0.2_arm.ipk |
| 15:12.48 | numatrix | Bruton: Ehh? Lack of light in this photo: http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600/zdualslot ? |
| 15:12.53 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: tested on OZ? |
| 15:13.16 | Com[Plex] | woops |
| 15:13.21 | Com[Plex] | Im testing it rioght now |
| 15:13.28 | Com[Plex] | hang on before downlaoding. Ill confirm three apps. |
| 15:14.05 | Bruton | yes if you look it hasnt been taken with a flash from where the camera is because where the cf card is its dark you can try and work out where the light source was |
| 15:14.12 | Bruton | its just a shadow |
| 15:14.35 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: tell ibot about it. ( ibot jeode is get jeode that's been confirmed to work on oz at : link ) when you're done testing etc |
| 15:14.37 | numatrix | Bruton: I seriously doubt it. If I hold my Z at that angle, it doesn't leave a shadow that dark. |
| 15:14.38 | badl | Com[Plex]: don't worry already leechin it ;) |
| 15:14.47 | Bruton | looks like the light is coming from east side to north east side |
| 15:15.01 | Bruton | thus creating a shadow |
| 15:15.02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: eh, i hope you dont care about the legal issues |
| 15:15.05 | numatrix | Bruton: right; which wouldn't leave a shadow. |
| 15:15.16 | numatrix | Huh? It slopes in on that side, it would leave a shadow if the light was coming in from the west side? |
| 15:15.24 | Com[Plex] | hehehe |
| 15:15.30 | Bruton | let me get you a proper picture of it |
| 15:16.08 | numatrix | Bruton: you mean like this: http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/11/12/gfx/zaurus_sl5600_02.jpg |
| 15:16.12 | numatrix | Which makes it look even more obvious? |
| 15:17.05 | Bruton | hmm now that looks black |
| 15:17.11 | numatrix | Bruton: :-) |
| 15:17.34 | TheMasterMind1 | badl: run |
| 15:17.49 | Com[Plex] | kergoth I do and I dont.. I mean. do you think they would get all uptight over it? - I dont really want to offend anyone. but how is this different from getting the files from your own rom by hand? - its jsut more convenient. |
| 15:17.52 | Com[Plex] | right? |
| 15:17.53 | badl | TheMasterMind1: hahah or should i wait for $ver 3.1 ;) |
| 15:18.06 | Bruton | the bulletin that i received in May was definately not black |
| 15:18.10 | TheMasterMind1 | badl: heh, that's a long way off.. |
| 15:18.10 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: oh theres no argument that its convenient :) |
| 15:18.36 | badl | TheMasterMind1: nah... kergoth said it was just around the corner ..... (wishful thinking! :D ) |
| 15:18.48 | numatrix | This looks really black too: http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600/zlmdm5 |
| 15:18.49 | kergoth | 3.1 will be soon, its just a maintainance release |
| 15:20.02 | bobstay | with DVD playback support. |
| 15:20.11 | bobstay | over 802.11 |
| 15:20.15 | bill2or3 | heh |
| 15:20.20 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth. I get this weirdness with my nic card. - I put it in, the card gets detected, but it doenst start automatically <even with button checked> I go to kionsole, use ifconfig eth0 and it dpesnt have an ip. so I use ifconfig eth0 up; and it still doesnt get one. then I tkae the card out, and re instsert it and it gets one.. |
| 15:20.44 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ifconfig eth0 up doesnt assign an ip |
| 15:20.45 | Bruton | if you looka at all these images of the 5600 you cant see that the battery sticks out an extra 8 mm |
| 15:20.49 | Com[Plex] | I know |
| 15:20.51 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it just puts the interface into a UP state |
| 15:20.55 | Com[Plex] | but it wakes up the card, |
| 15:21.00 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ? |
| 15:21.00 | Cloudchaser | how good is opie at fixing bugs? |
| 15:21.04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it wont make it have an ip. |
| 15:21.09 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: unless you assign one. |
| 15:21.13 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: this dhcp or static? |
| 15:21.19 | Cloudchaser | and kergoth: did you calibrate over mediummount? |
| 15:21.26 | Com[Plex] | its just nto waking p |
| 15:21.29 | Com[Plex] | not waking p |
| 15:21.34 | Com[Plex] | dhcp. |
| 15:21.39 | kergoth | eh? |
| 15:21.41 | kergoth | 'waking up'? |
| 15:21.45 | Com[Plex] | yes. |
| 15:21.48 | kergoth | first thing, do 'ifup eth0' |
| 15:21.50 | kergoth | not ifconfig |
| 15:21.53 | Com[Plex] | sorry, keybaords as old as my fingers. |
| 15:21.55 | Bruton | http://www.sharpusa.com/files/hpc_dow_5500bro.pdf is the brochure but ive not downloaded it yet |
| 15:21.56 | kergoth | second, check dmesg |
| 15:21.59 | kergoth | for any messages |
| 15:22.02 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 15:22.30 | Com[Plex] | well. its up right now. |
| 15:22.52 | Com[Plex] | it jsut seems like I have to put it in, take it out, and put it back in again to get it to work. same with my cf wireless |
| 15:23.03 | Com[Plex] | any one else have any issues like this? |
| 15:23.04 | kergoth | wireless is known to work flawlessly on all cards to date |
| 15:23.11 | kergoth | there have been ethernet issues reported |
| 15:23.13 | kergoth | none solid though |
| 15:23.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot TheMasterMind1 |
| 15:23.27 | | i guess themastermind1 is ass |
| 15:23.31 | Com[Plex] | my connectisona re fine, once they are established. |
| 15:23.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot forget TheMasterMind1 |
| 15:23.42 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: may be a timing issue |
| 15:23.46 | badl | heh |
| 15:23.50 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: after first insertion, is udhcpc running? |
| 15:23.54 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot no, TheMasterMind1 is a 16 year old OZ Developer and can be reached at oz@themastermind1.net |
| 15:23.54 | | okay, TheMasterMind1 |
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| 15:24.20 | Com[Plex] | no idea. I didnt know that udhcpd exsisted. let alone know what it is. but Ill check it out' |
| 15:24.26 | kergoth | eh? |
| 15:24.28 | kergoth | its the dhcp client |
| 15:24.32 | kergoth | its what gives you an ip via dhcp |
| 15:24.37 | kergoth | if its not running, you wont get one |
| 15:24.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:24.41 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 15:24.44 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: you are talking about oz3.0 right? |
| 15:24.44 | Com[Plex] | Ill go check |
| 15:24.47 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 15:24.54 | kergoth | if its running after first insertion, but no ip, send HUP to udhcpc |
| 15:24.56 | kergoth | and check again |
| 15:25.01 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, keep me updated about this jeode thing btw |
| 15:25.14 | Com[Plex] | will do |
| 15:25.22 | Com[Plex] | just finished isntalling it to sd. now IM gonna reboot |
| 15:27.06 | Com[Plex] | lookin good. kaos is running from the icon in the jeode menu. abou to try prim and quasatr |
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| 15:28.18 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: what nic btw? |
| 15:28.22 | Com[Plex] | looks great, icons are all good. aps all run. |
| 15:28.24 | Bruton | hey check out the buttons on the 5600 |
| 15:28.33 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: awesome, add an entry to ibot |
| 15:28.39 | Bruton | http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600/zcopn2?full=1 |
| 15:28.46 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: did you fix jeodecreator as well? |
| 15:28.48 | Com[Plex] | hawking cf100 and a hawking cf11 wifi |
| 15:29.01 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, not yet. |
| 15:29.38 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: also, if you wanna test your lirc with opie-remote, that'd be nice :) |
| 15:29.41 | treke | Bruton: whats different about the buttons |
| 15:30.09 | Com[Plex] | themaster, that was something I was workibng on like 45 days ago. havent had any chance to work on it since. |
| 15:30.20 | Com[Plex] | its a bitch to get working. |
| 15:30.48 | Com[Plex] | on top of the fact that I couldnt get it to open the device right, but yuo also have to get a config for your exact remote to make it go. |
| 15:30.55 | Com[Plex] | I coudlnt get it to do shit |
| 15:31.03 | Com[Plex] | couldnt load the module if I remember right. |
| 15:31.05 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: yea, sounds familiar |
| 15:31.08 | Com[Plex] | - I cant remember. |
| 15:31.08 | Bruton | they are different to the 5500 |
| 15:31.32 | Bruton | the first button has squares on it |
| 15:31.36 | Com[Plex] | well. that was an insane amoubnt of work for one little fractal generator. lol |
| 15:31.45 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 15:31.46 | kergoth | !! |
| 15:31.50 | kergoth | yeah, i need a drink |
| 15:32.27 | Com[Plex] | for those of you weho want it. wget http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeode-for-oz3_0.2_arm.ipk |
| 15:32.46 | Com[Plex] | shit, Im gonna look into those mime types we talked about earluier kergoth |
| 15:32.56 | Com[Plex] | nwo that its fresh on my mind |
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| 15:33.29 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot jeode is get jeode that's been confirmed to work on oz at : http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeode-for-oz3_0.2_arm.ipk |
| 15:33.29 | | ...but jeode is already something else... |
| 15:33.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot jeode |
| 15:33.33 | | i heard jeode is a Java Virtual Machine implementation for embedded devices, http://www.insignia.com |
| 15:33.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot jeode oz is get jeode that's been confirmed to work on oz at : http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeode-for-oz3_0.2_arm.ipk |
| 15:33.38 | | okay, TheMasterMind1 |
| 15:33.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot jeode is also get jeode that's been confirmed to work on oz at : http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeode-for-oz3_0.2_arm.ipk |
| 15:33.44 | | okay, TheMasterMind1 |
| 15:34.38 | Com[Plex] | I ot the mime.ini right here in front of me. - should I call it an octet stream? |
| 15:35.06 | bradh | ibot: what is sl5600 |
| 15:35.06 | | bradh: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:36.09 | bradh | ibot sl5600 |
| 15:36.09 | | methinks sl5600 is see sl-5600 |
| 15:36.18 | bradh | ibot sl-5600 |
| 15:36.18 | | [sl-5600] the newest zaurus, announced Nov12. More info available at http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionPressReleases/0,1079,32,00.html and http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1016,00.html and photos available at http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600 |
| 15:41.26 | Com[Plex] | anyone got a chance to test that jeode thing? I want to make sure it works on another z. mine might have soem loose files that I put in place by hand, an I just wanna make sure |
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| 15:45.16 | tboc | Com[Plex]: i'll try it ... just a sec |
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| 15:45.36 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 15:46.04 | tboc | Com[Plex]: i was just about to repack the files myself =) |
| 15:46.55 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 15:46.55 | Com[Plex] | thers a few of them,. thats for sure. |
| 15:47.14 | Com[Plex] | and the intalldir.sh file needs to be changed because the cf and sd cards are mapped to /mnt/cf/home/QtPalmtop instead of /mnt/cf/QtPalmtop |
| 15:47.22 | tboc | i just took the files out of the jeode.list from benmeyers script *g* |
| 15:48.06 | tboc | hmm... it seems that the ipk won't fit on the internal flash ... just got 1,2mb left :/ |
| 15:48.20 | kergoth | so dont install it there |
| 15:48.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:48.23 | Com[Plex] | kergoth was there something wrong with jeode creator? |
| 15:48.32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yes, it creates a b0rked ipk |
| 15:48.33 | Com[Plex] | yeah, hehe, isntall it to sd :> |
| 15:48.35 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it doesnt include installdir.sh |
| 15:48.39 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: at all |
| 15:48.39 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 15:48.42 | Com[Plex] | okay. Ill go fix |
| 15:48.46 | Com[Plex] | peice of cake |
| 15:49.22 | Com[Plex] | if this works, should I delete the one I just made? |
| 15:49.23 | tboc | Com[Plex]: does that work flawlessly? |
| 15:49.36 | Com[Plex] | yes tboc, I made it to install to SD |
| 15:49.42 | Com[Plex] | and cf, and whatever |
| 15:50.02 | Com[Plex] | It HAS to install to SD to pass my test :> |
| 15:50.09 | tboc | Com[Plex]: ok, great |
| 15:50.11 | Com[Plex] | since every app I have is installed to sd :> |
| 15:50.16 | Com[Plex] | works gtreat. |
| 15:50.16 | tboc | hehe :) |
| 15:50.25 | Com[Plex] | oh hey, one thing tho. is your sd formatted to ext2? |
| 15:50.31 | tboc | of course =) |
| 15:50.33 | tboc | (; |
| 15:50.35 | Com[Plex] | good man :> |
| 15:50.46 | tboc | fat is useless with linux ;) |
| 15:51.13 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX: around? |
| 15:51.13 | Com[Plex] | yeah, - tho, I keep my cf as fat, for quick copying of mp3s from my windows machine |
| 15:51.35 | tboc | Com[Plex]: .oO(and for flashing the z ;) |
| 15:51.42 | Com[Plex] | oh yeah. that too |
| 15:51.54 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 15:52.00 | tboc | it's a shame that win doesn't support ext2 |
| 15:53.52 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX: did you do any more stuff with that mplayer frontend etc? |
| 15:54.22 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: sorry no |
| 15:54.56 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, np |
| 15:54.58 | Ibz | is there a way to reinitialise an SD card? i keep getting it mounted as read-only, can't remount it read-write, and can't mkfs on it... |
| 15:55.11 | kergoth | Ibz: eh? |
| 15:55.17 | kergoth | Ibz: you cant mkfs with it mounted |
| 15:55.22 | Ibz | kergoth: i know. |
| 15:55.31 | kergoth | Ibz: so what error does it give? |
| 15:55.42 | kergoth | nobody ever gives any real information when they have a problem, god i hate that |
| 15:55.50 | Ibz | mkfs.vfat: unable to open /dev/mmcda1 |
| 15:56.11 | Bruton | hey i had a IT manager on the phone today bitching because he fucked his ROM up. He said that he was a master at Linux but couldnt even say Linux properly |
| 15:56.14 | tboc | Com[Plex]: great job! everything works fine =) |
| 15:56.18 | kergoth | Ibz: sounds like you need to reparition |
| 15:56.21 | Com[Plex] | awesome. |
| 15:56.44 | Com[Plex] | should I take ou the prim test and quasar? or leave em in there? |
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| 15:58.51 | Com[Plex] | okay kergoth. |
| 15:59.55 | Com[Plex] | kerg, this is made to get the jeode stuff from a zaurus Running the sharp rom |
| 16:00.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:00.01 | Com[Plex] | you knew that, right? |
| 16:00.02 | kergoth | i know |
| 16:00.03 | kergoth | yup |
| 16:00.06 | Com[Plex] | k.. |
| 16:00.27 | Com[Plex] | I wont be able to test it tho... |
| 16:00.30 | Ibz | TheMasterMind1: oz is nice, and i do use it...on w/ends tho....need hancom stuff... |
| 16:00.32 | kergoth | in embedded systems more package granularity is good |
| 16:00.38 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:00.49 | Com[Plex] | whats granularity? |
| 16:01.02 | kergoth | more fine grained |
| 16:01.08 | kergoth | more small packages instead of one big ass package |
| 16:01.12 | Com[Plex] | yeah. |
| 16:01.13 | kergoth | gives you more control over space usage |
| 16:01.15 | kergoth | like my ssh packages |
| 16:01.17 | Com[Plex] | thats what I did with hancome |
| 16:01.20 | kergoth | ssh-common, ssh-client, ssh-server |
| 16:01.22 | Com[Plex] | hancom |
| 16:01.22 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:01.54 | Com[Plex] | better space management when installing. - now that I am running OZ3, and using the 32mb ram zimage, I dont have that problem. |
| 16:02.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:02.09 | Com[Plex] | gotta love this 64meg sd card. |
| 16:02.21 | kergoth | even so, giving the user control over space usage is definately good |
| 16:02.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:02.33 | kergoth | which is the main reason i didnt go with debian/ARM |
| 16:02.39 | kergoth | packages in debian arent nearly granular enough |
| 16:02.43 | kergoth | well that, and it uses dpkg not ipkg |
| 16:03.19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:03.29 | TheMasterMind1 | half of the stuff we use is from debian/ARM anyway |
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| 16:04.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, good sources, we just repackage and patch :) |
| 16:04.39 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 16:04.56 | mini_badalex | weee im on my z |
| 16:05.14 | kergoth | i shall name him, mini_badalex |
| 16:05.21 | mini_badalex | lol |
| 16:05.24 | kergoth | must.. get .. out .. of .. work..! |
| 16:05.38 | mini_badalex | lol |
| 16:05.53 | mini_badalex | thia\ |
| 16:06.20 | mini_badalex | arhg! what is backspace on a consel? |
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| 16:06.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:07.00 | mini_badalex | kerD |
| 16:07.06 | mini_badalex | lol |
| 16:07.17 | kergoth | kerID? |
| 16:07.26 | mini_badalex | im using xchat_text |
| 16:07.29 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 16:07.29 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:07.40 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 16:07.48 | Com[Plex] | control plus ? |
| 16:07.49 | mini_badalex | and i dont know how to backspace |
| 16:07.56 | Com[Plex] | or control H |
| 16:08.01 | mini_badalex | a+ |
| 16:08.05 | TheMasterMind1 | there's no CONTROL in console |
| 16:08.07 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 16:08.12 | Com[Plex] | ctrol |
| 16:08.14 | kergoth | he should use konsole not console |
| 16:08.15 | Com[Plex] | ctrl |
| 16:08.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:08.18 | TheMasterMind1 | blame lineo |
| 16:08.19 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 16:08.20 | kergoth | there is a control in console, its the first appkey |
| 16:08.29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what?! |
| 16:08.31 | kergoth | who told me about that again? |
| 16:08.33 | Com[Plex] | rrrreally? |
| 16:08.33 | mini_badalex | kerhhh |
| 16:08.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, someone in here told me |
| 16:08.35 | TheMasterMind1 | !!!!!!! |
| 16:08.38 | Com[Plex] | nie |
| 16:08.40 | Com[Plex] | nice |
| 16:08.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: try it, it works |
| 16:08.40 | TheMasterMind1 | damn you |
| 16:08.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i jsut used it to ctrl+d when it dropped me on fsck failure |
| 16:08.50 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, well that means we can change it easily |
| 16:08.52 | mini_badalex | er im so used to tab completion |
| 16:08.53 | kergoth | no |
| 16:08.56 | kergoth | we cant change jack |
| 16:09.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm true |
| 16:09.01 | kergoth | the keymapping is hardcoded |
| 16:09.05 | TheMasterMind1 | oh right |
| 16:09.06 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck |
| 16:09.07 | kergoth | so we're stuck with this |
| 16:09.10 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well, someone add faq |
| 16:09.14 | kergoth | until cerezu comes back from the dead |
| 16:09.17 | kergoth | Ibz: seen cerezu |
| 16:09.23 | kergoth | er |
| 16:09.24 | TheMasterMind1 | how to do | in console and in konsole and how to do CTRL stuff in console and in konsole |
| 16:09.26 | kergoth | ibot: seen cerezu |
| 16:09.26 | | i haven't seen 'cerezu', kergoth |
| 16:09.28 | mini_badalex | well guwss im odff |
| 16:09.38 | mini_badalex | guess off |
| 16:09.43 | mini_badalex | correctins |
| 16:10.18 | mini_badalex | gosh i shold learn how to type and spell |
| 16:10.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't CTRL + C out of ping... |
| 16:10.59 | mini_badalex | later |
| 16:11.49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: works fine here |
| 16:11.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: use the first appkey as control |
| 16:11.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not the ctrl key |
| 16:12.32 | TheMasterMind1 | first appkey? the calendar key right? |
| 16:13.18 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, works in console |
| 16:13.20 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't work in ping |
| 16:13.21 | TheMasterMind1 | gr |
| 16:13.34 | kergoth | try hitting it repeatedly |
| 16:13.37 | TheMasterMind1 | i did |
| 16:13.38 | kergoth | i had to ctrl+d twice |
| 16:13.43 | kergoth | odd |
| 16:13.48 | kergoth | i havent tried with ping |
| 16:13.50 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, it like gets stuck |
| 16:13.52 | kergoth | you're on 3.0 right? |
| 16:13.52 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 16:13.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yea |
| 16:14.01 | kergoth | the keyboard driver just blows man |
| 16:14.03 | kergoth | thats all there is to it |
| 16:14.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:14.06 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 16:14.09 | TheMasterMind1 | sure does |
| 16:14.12 | kergoth | ah well, we'll replace it eventually |
| 16:14.21 | kergoth | hopefully soon |
| 16:14.26 | kergoth | i want to start work on it again this weekend |
| 16:14.33 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 16:15.15 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 16:15.17 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf is this |
| 16:15.23 | TheMasterMind1 | "is oz a boy or a girl?" |
| 16:15.26 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:15.29 | TheMasterMind1 | "OpenZaurs is neither, it is a transgendered pile of code capable of eating your children and libraries. There are not enough black people in the state of new jersey to combat batman. Rest assured all is good. We are the zaurus of tomorrow. today." |
| 16:15.30 | kergoth | look at jason's too |
| 16:15.56 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
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| 16:28.07 | *** join/#zaurus raster (~raster@flu11888-1.gw.connect.com.au) |
| 16:28.51 | badl | TheMasterMind1: which one 32/32 or 40/24 |
| 16:28.59 | TheMasterMind1 | badl: ? |
| 16:29.07 | kergoth | badl: rtfm |
| 16:29.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:29.14 | badl | hahaha |
| 16:29.23 | kergoth | we didnt document this crap for nothing |
| 16:29.23 | Cloudchaser | is noda here? |
| 16:29.42 | badl | yeah.. was seeing if TheMasterMind1 was *really* the TheMasterMind1 |
| 16:29.51 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 16:30.21 | TheMasterMind1 | badl: what are you talking about? choosing a zimage or which one is a boy and which is a girl? |
| 16:30.31 | Cloudchaser | hey.. can someone answer me this: why would you want a mac start-up screen on a zaurus? |
| 16:30.39 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: uhm, i have no idea |
| 16:30.39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:30.41 | TheMasterMind1 | good question |
| 16:30.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:30.47 | badl | TheMasterMind1: was seeing if you would pick up on choosing an image like kergoth did |
| 16:31.09 | Cloudchaser | heheh, just seeing this start up screen app on zsi |
| 16:31.17 | Cloudchaser | been wondering for a while *why*? |
| 16:32.12 | Cloudchaser | oh does anyone know if the sdl gameboy emu works well on oz? |
| 16:32.31 | Bruton | can you change the startup logo without compiling your own rom? |
| 16:32.39 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: according to scanline the sdl gameboy emu is real time |
| 16:32.45 | kergoth | Bruton: depends on which logo you mean |
| 16:32.48 | kergoth | Bruton: sharp rom has two logos |
| 16:33.00 | kergoth | Bruton: first is the "SHARP" screen, then its the please wait screen while qtopia starts |
| 16:33.07 | Cloudchaser | kergoth so that meants its faster than on sharp rom? |
| 16:33.18 | Bruton | so can you change them? |
| 16:33.24 | Cloudchaser | cause...if it was realtime before its a wonder anyone bought gameboys! |
| 16:34.01 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: gameboy is cheap, Z is decidedly not :) |
| 16:34.13 | kergoth | Bruton: the first requires a recompile of the kernel, the second yes |
| 16:34.18 | kergoth | Bruton: OZ only has the first, not the second |
| 16:34.34 | Cloudchaser | hehe true kergoth |
| 16:34.48 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll install it and test it out |
| 16:34.55 | Cloudchaser | got a long car trip next month ;) |
| 16:35.09 | Bruton | ive not tried the OZ yet because i cant cover OZ under warrenty |
| 16:35.29 | kergoth | Bruton: eh? |
| 16:35.39 | kergoth | Bruton: if you have to send it back, reflash with sharp and send it back |
| 16:35.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:35.43 | Bruton | I work for Sharp dont I |
| 16:35.53 | kergoth | huh? |
| 16:35.54 | *** join/#zaurus jbwiv (~jb@adsl-154-37-51.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:36.12 | jbwiv | hello people. |
| 16:36.46 | Bruton | I repair Z's on a daily basis so i dont get much time to try out things like OZ because i would need to put Sharp back on every time i test them |
| 16:36.49 | *** join/#zaurus TeaX (~tx@ppp-156-154.27-151.libero.it) |
| 16:36.56 | Sniper | hi bruton |
| 16:36.59 | kergoth | Bruton: ahh, gotcha |
| 16:37.02 | kergoth | Bruton: makes sense |
| 16:37.06 | Bruton | hello sniper |
| 16:37.08 | kergoth | hey sniper |
| 16:37.21 | kergoth | Sniper: pretty hectic out there what with the announcement? |
| 16:37.27 | kergoth | Sniper: jason was freakin the other day |
| 16:37.35 | Twiun | Evenin' all |
| 16:37.40 | badl | haha |
| 16:37.48 | Sniper | kergoth: why? |
| 16:37.52 | TeaX | is lirc module available for Z? |
| 16:37.54 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 16:38.01 | kergoth | Sniper: being pounded with questions :) |
| 16:38.02 | TheMasterMind1 | not a working one anyway |
| 16:38.10 | Sniper | yeah - we have another few announcements we're working on |
| 16:38.29 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: :( |
| 16:38.34 | badl | Sniper: qt3 related? |
| 16:38.39 | Sniper | nah.. nothing that exciting |
| 16:38.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:38.43 | Sniper | more salesy stuff |
| 16:38.43 | kergoth | we wish |
| 16:38.44 | badl | :( |
| 16:38.59 | kergoth | Sniper: i have a oz built with gcc3.2 here, bout to test one with qt3 |
| 16:39.00 | badl | buy 1 and get a 2nd for the same price? |
| 16:39.01 | kergoth | Sniper: ;) |
| 16:39.40 | Sniper | kergoth: awesome! |
| 16:39.49 | kergoth | Sniper: its fasttt |
| 16:39.55 | kergoth | Sniper: too bad its not compatible :) |
| 16:39.59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:40.12 | Sniper | well we nede to try on 5600 |
| 16:40.33 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, /me wants that 2.4.18 kernel from the 5600... |
| 16:40.39 | TheMasterMind1 | when do we get sources for that |
| 16:40.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dunno |
| 16:40.57 | badl | TheMasterMind1: i think BZFlag is organising that |
| 16:41.01 | kergoth | not bz |
| 16:41.09 | badl | who? |
| 16:41.24 | kergoth | jason contacted someone in sharp about seeing if we can get the sources before the release |
| 16:41.31 | kergoth | afaict |
| 16:41.45 | kergoth | regardless, i just wait patiently |
| 16:41.45 | badl | ic |
| 16:41.59 | badl | we could organise a break in at sharp and steal em sources! |
| 16:42.11 | kergoth | muahaha |
| 16:42.13 | kergoth | no mojo for you |
| 16:43.17 | badl | .o0O0o. |
| 16:44.08 | badl | one two eight of the M B ram |
| 16:44.34 | Bruton | hey sniper are you doing overtime tonight? |
| 16:45.09 | Sniper | its only 6:47pm |
| 16:45.11 | Sniper | heh |
| 16:45.21 | Bruton | dont you work 9-5? |
| 16:45.27 | Sniper | i WISH!! |
| 16:45.31 | Bruton | ha |
| 16:46.01 | Sniper | i was thinking of leaving soon.. |
| 16:46.08 | Sniper | we're all getting ready for Comdex next week |
| 16:46.24 | Bruton | got any new toys? |
| 16:46.28 | Sniper | 5600? |
| 16:46.39 | jbwiv | guys...how do I attach a zaurus app to the current running Qtopia session from the command line? I get the standard "run with -qws" error, and I know there's a trick to this. thx. |
| 16:46.47 | Sniper | yup i have one.. and we have a 3 of the clam shell ones |
| 16:47.09 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnnn |
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| 16:47.16 | *** join/#zaurus damia (~damia@62.43.96.27) |
| 16:47.17 | mbparrish | Hi guys! |
| 16:47.22 | Sniper | hi! |
| 16:47.23 | badl | calmshell! |
| 16:47.24 | Bruton | i was told today that we might be getting the clams in the UK soon |
| 16:47.33 | Sniper | cool... :-) |
| 16:47.39 | Sniper | how is the Z selling in the UK? |
| 16:47.41 | Harlekin | hi Sniper |
| 16:47.45 | Sniper | hey harlekin |
| 16:48.12 | Bruton | I dont think its as big as the US but we are getting around 20 queries a day on them |
| 16:48.29 | bill2or3 | I'm still zless |
| 16:48.32 | Bruton | from people with problems |
| 16:48.41 | mbparrish | Has anyone tried of using the Griffin Total Remote with a Zaurus? |
| 16:48.47 | badl | Bruton: send them to #zaurus ;) |
| 16:49.06 | Sniper | bruton: hopefully we'll cut down on those... the new develoepr website is almost up |
| 16:49.13 | Sniper | www.zaurus.com will be the domain |
| 16:49.23 | mbparrish | It's an IR transmitter that runs off a pocketPC's audio port. |
| 16:49.28 | badl | Sniper: any target date for that yet? |
| 16:49.42 | Sniper | im just waiting for the sourceforge piece to be done |
| 16:49.55 | mbparrish | http://www.griffintechnology.com/griffinmobile/totalremote/index.html |
| 16:50.24 | Bruton | we have had a lot of people asking about syncing with Lotus Notes in the last week |
| 16:50.37 | Sniper | Bruton: yeah thats a big requirement |
| 16:50.53 | Sniper | pocketpc dude |
| 16:50.55 | badl | Sniper: how about a sneak preview of zaurus.com --> do i hear a user/pass :D |
| 16:51.07 | Bruton | i dont know why it has all of a sudden just become an issue |
| 16:51.11 | Sniper | i'll show bruton.. |
| 16:51.12 | Sniper | hehe |
| 16:51.22 | Sniper | since he works for Sharp |
| 16:51.27 | jbwiv | ibot commandline |
| 16:51.27 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jbwiv |
| 16:51.35 | jbwiv | ibot, command line |
| 16:51.35 | | jbwiv: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 16:51.52 | Bruton | what sharp in new zealand? |
| 16:52.03 | Sniper | is the correr country called Great Britain or United Kingdom? |
| 16:52.04 | badl | Bruton: yeah.... |
| 16:52.10 | Bruton | :) |
| 16:52.14 | Bruton | must be new |
| 16:52.25 | badl | Bruton: but sharp Nz doesn't stock the Z ... |
| 16:52.26 | *** join/#zaurus PenZ (Pendalar@68.114.158.191) |
| 16:52.45 | Bruton | is there a Sharp Unit there? |
| 16:52.50 | badl | Bruton: when i rang up early this year they didn't even know about it ;) |
| 16:53.10 | badl | Bruton: yeah just photo copiers/ fridges and stuff |
| 16:53.21 | kergoth | akjsgdy klsdta lkg ay!^#$!&^#$&@%y |
| 16:53.28 | Harlekin | calm |
| 16:54.09 | PenZ | bad kitty, get off kergoth's keyboard! |
| 16:54.26 | badl | PenZ: no no, that was secret code! |
| 16:54.31 | kergoth`out | badl: shh! |
| 16:54.37 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 16:54.41 | Sniper | what do you think bruton? |
| 16:55.02 | Bruton | it looks real nice so far |
| 16:55.12 | Sniper | i still haev a few areas still lacking |
| 16:55.16 | PenZ | ah.. //decode for nudie pics? |
| 16:55.55 | Sniper | as you can see we've integrated the forums into the site |
| 16:56.02 | Sniper | so we're going to migrate zauruszone into the new developer website |
| 16:56.25 | badl | Sniper: will the new site replace the dev2dev forum? |
| 16:56.32 | Sniper | badl: yes |
| 16:56.36 | PenZ | I haven't added a z part to the site.. just don't have time |
| 16:56.45 | Sniper | we'll haev just 1 website for everything |
| 16:56.54 | badl | thats a good move |
| 16:57.49 | Sniper | yeah.. its an admin nightmare.. |
| 16:57.49 | Sniper | we'll shut down the japan website and dev2dev forum and move everything to the new site |
| 16:58.13 | badl | Sniper: i hate having things fragmented... it splits the community.. consolidation is key! |
| 16:58.17 | Com[Plex] | kergoth |
| 16:58.28 | Com[Plex] | I think the jeode creator is all fixed |
| 16:58.28 | PenZ | I took 2 yr of jap in highschool but learning 3 alphabets sucks |
| 16:58.32 | Sniper | badl: this website will be the 1 stop shop for everything |
| 16:58.42 | Sniper | i design the site myself.. :-) |
| 16:58.48 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/jeodcreator_1.1_arm.ipk |
| 16:58.51 | Com[Plex] | hey sniper |
| 16:59.05 | Sniper | hi Com |
| 16:59.14 | Com[Plex] | how fare thee |
| 16:59.40 | Com[Plex] | anyone ehre running stock sharp rom/ |
| 16:59.44 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 17:00.26 | Com[Plex] | doh, I jsut missed kergoth. :< IM too slow |
| 17:00.43 | Sniper | i run stock sharp rom |
| 17:00.43 | jbwiv | anyone know how to run an app from the command line on the Z without getting the "No server running, try running with -qws" error? Thanks in advance... |
| 17:01.35 | Com[Plex] | ahh. well. I just fixed this jeodcreator so it would grab the right files off the z for jeode.. would you be wililng to test it out for me? |
| 17:01.47 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.1_arm.ipk |
| 17:03.10 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: does it grab installdir.sh? |
| 17:03.24 | Com[Plex] | what it does, is it gets all the files for the jeode stuff from your rom, on your z. - it will take a while to process and tar/gz the files. but you will be left with a new ipk in your /home/root/documents folder. |
| 17:03.38 | Com[Plex] | twiun, it does one better. it grabs my modified installdir.sh |
| 17:03.42 | Com[Plex] | because the old oen didnt work |
| 17:03.51 | Twiun | Cool ;-) |
| 17:03.52 | Com[Plex] | doesnt work with OZ. I had to change it |
| 17:03.58 | Com[Plex] | now it does |
| 17:05.03 | Com[Plex] | anyway, I jsut need to have someone run it. and send me the ipk it creates. that wayI can tear it apart and verify it all worked. |
| 17:05.49 | Com[Plex] | Ive had a problem creating ipks with the z before. they never seemed to come out the same way that my PC makes em. - this approach is slightly different from what ive been using before. |
| 17:05.59 | Com[Plex] | are there any takers? |
| 17:06.12 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 17:06.23 | Twiun | Not I I'm afraid... I've taken the OZ plunge already |
| 17:07.07 | Com[Plex] | Im running win2k on this machine. with a vmware virtual machine running redhat 7.2, but that window is too slow, so I have three seperate putty sessions into it. lol |
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| 17:08.24 | Com[Plex] | if I have to flash my stupid z to qte just to test this friggin thing, IMa be pissed. |
| 17:12.25 | TheMasterMind1 | argh. wtf is the difference between a sharp curve and a gente curve |
| 17:12.37 | Com[Plex] | hey man |
| 17:13.08 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 17:13.33 | Com[Plex] | I finished that jeodcreator |
| 17:13.58 | Com[Plex] | now I just need a tester |
| 17:14.50 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 17:15.32 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.1_arm.ipk |
| 17:15.55 | Com[Plex] | now if I could just get kpacman to run |
| 17:16.07 | PenZ | kpacman pisses me off |
| 17:16.20 | TheMasterMind1 | oh its easy to get it working |
| 17:16.21 | PenZ | I fooled with the .conf forever, nada |
| 17:16.37 | PenZ | I figured it was bad paths in the conf |
| 17:16.38 | TheMasterMind1 | get the conf from /usr/share/kpackman/ and copy it into /root/Settings/ |
| 17:16.47 | Com[Plex] | I havent tried yet.. |
| 17:16.51 | Com[Plex] | haha, that simple? |
| 17:16.53 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 17:17.08 | PenZ | lmao |
| 17:17.27 | Com[Plex] | its not there |
| 17:17.53 | Com[Plex] | looking |
| 17:18.21 | PenZ | opt/qtpalmtop/share/kpacman |
| 17:18.27 | PenZ | I thought |
| 17:18.33 | Com[Plex] | its allready in /root/settings |
| 17:19.10 | TheMasterMind1 | the one in /rootSettings is bad |
| 17:19.15 | *** join/#zaurus PenZ (Pendalar@68.114.158.191) |
| 17:19.55 | PenZ | dang thing |
| 17:20.08 | Com[Plex] | nice |
| 17:20.08 | PenZ | ok copy it to /root/settings? |
| 17:20.11 | Com[Plex] | ty masta |
| 17:20.20 | Com[Plex] | now im gonna fix that fucking ipk |
| 17:20.29 | TheMasterMind1 | fixing the ipk won't do any good |
| 17:20.31 | PenZ | I don't have that.. maybe /home/root/settings.. |
| 17:20.33 | TheMasterMind1 | go and fix the sources |
| 17:20.34 | Com[Plex] | no? |
| 17:20.38 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 17:20.49 | TheMasterMind1 | opie sources are doing it |
| 17:20.58 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 17:21.02 | TheMasterMind1 | or sumbit a opie bug about it |
| 17:21.23 | PenZ | woot |
| 17:21.36 | PenZ | now if I had a good Pong game |
| 17:21.44 | kryhme|class | yay, home |
| 17:21.53 | PenZ | it's not just opie |
| 17:22.27 | PenZ | it puts it in /home/QtPalmtop/share/kpacman/ in sharp rom |
| 17:22.36 | TheMasterMind1 | the sharp rom sucks :) |
| 17:22.44 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 17:22.47 | Com[Plex] | penz! |
| 17:22.53 | PenZ | yep |
| 17:22.56 | Com[Plex] | hey! could I ask you or a big favor? |
| 17:23.08 | Com[Plex] | its really not /that/ big. its just that; |
| 17:23.15 | PenZ | depends I'm about to go to work |
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| 17:23.24 | PenZ | so it may be a time issue |
| 17:23.33 | PenZ | test the jeodcreator? |
| 17:23.36 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 17:23.38 | Com[Plex] | there is an app that downloads the jeod e libs frmo the sharp rom and packs it up into a nice ipk file for instalation on oz |
| 17:23.40 | Com[Plex] | yeah.. |
| 17:23.46 | Com[Plex] | didnt know you were here for that |
| 17:23.57 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.1_arm.ipk |
| 17:24.24 | Com[Plex] | it mgiht take about 5 minutes to proccess. |
| 17:24.38 | Com[Plex] | so if your pinched for time, dont worry about it |
| 17:24.46 | PenZ | wget? |
| 17:24.50 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 17:25.00 | PenZ | bah ;-) |
| 17:25.00 | Com[Plex] | wget http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.1_arm.ipk |
| 17:25.07 | Com[Plex] | hheh |
| 17:25.51 | PenZ | to what dir to easily be found? |
| 17:25.58 | PenZ | documents/app? |
| 17:26.04 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 17:26.14 | Com[Plex] | it puts it in your /home/root/Documents folder |
| 17:26.30 | PenZ | not below that? |
| 17:27.05 | Com[Plex] | anywhere you like is fine. |
| 17:27.10 | PenZ | applications/ipkg |
| 17:27.12 | PenZ | k |
| 17:27.18 | Com[Plex] | once it installs, it will Create a New ipk file |
| 17:27.34 | Com[Plex] | That file will appear in your /home/root/Documents folder |
| 17:28.35 | PenZ | installing.. will kick me off |
| 17:28.39 | PenZ | bbiaf |
| 17:29.01 | Com[Plex] | doh |
| 17:29.07 | Com[Plex] | your ON the z right now? lol |
| 17:29.10 | PenZ | welp not til I hit that x anyways |
| 17:29.10 | Com[Plex] | thats awesome! |
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| 17:29.13 | PenZ | yes |
| 17:29.22 | PenZ | it made another |
| 17:29.38 | Com[Plex] | awesome. - is it done? it might take a while.. |
| 17:29.52 | Com[Plex] | if its done allready, then theres a problem with it. |
| 17:29.54 | PenZ | about 5 secs if that to make the ipk |
| 17:29.58 | Com[Plex] | btu i bet I know what it is. |
| 17:30.09 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 17:30.18 | Com[Plex] | could you send me that ipk? |
| 17:30.31 | PenZ | hrm how heh |
| 17:30.37 | PenZ | no dcc in zic |
| 17:30.40 | Com[Plex] | oh.. hehe.. |
| 17:30.42 | Com[Plex] | thats right.. |
| 17:30.50 | PenZ | email? |
| 17:30.51 | Com[Plex] | ahh well. Im sure its not working anwyya. thanks tho :> |
| 17:30.58 | Com[Plex] | if you like, you can email it to me |
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| 17:32.24 | PenZ | shit my pop3 is offline.. grrr... |
| 17:32.29 | PenZ | scp? |
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| 17:32.35 | kryhme | how do you read the contents of a file. 'cat filename' or something like that |
| 17:32.39 | Com[Plex] | nah, dont worry about it, I see where the problem is |
| 17:32.56 | Com[Plex] | cat, more, uh. tar -c... |
| 17:33.02 | Com[Plex] | thanks PenZ |
| 17:33.09 | PenZ | no it said it sent |
| 17:33.22 | PenZ | pop3 server down, smtp isn't |
| 17:33.34 | PenZ | so check it |
| 17:33.36 | Com[Plex] | cool :> |
| 17:33.52 | PenZ | remove both? |
| 17:33.53 | BZFlag | Isn't there a web interface to #Zaurus someplace? |
| 17:34.01 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth ] by ChanServ |
| 17:34.07 | Com[Plex] | yeah, delete em. thanks :> |
| 17:34.13 | Com[Plex] | kergoth |
| 17:34.18 | Com[Plex] | I think I got it figured out. |
| 17:34.22 | kergoth | there comes a time in everyone's life, when you need to stand up and fight. it doesnt mean its wrong or right. |
| 17:34.25 | kergoth | RAISE UP! |
| 17:34.25 | PenZ | I could make one if someone could run a relay bot |
| 17:34.27 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:34.30 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: great |
| 17:34.51 | BZFlag | PenZ: I though I read someone here using one. |
| 17:35.30 | kryhme | i've abandoned my cradle |
| 17:35.31 | PenZ | we are using jIRC atm, can only do one server |
| 17:35.43 | alexw_ | hi all, I'm hunting around for the best zaurus price in the UK, the best I can do so far is £272, with some trickery. Can anyone point me to a better price (although that price seems quite good) |
| 17:35.56 | ljp | thereused to be one at zauruszone.com, but not sure if the irc client is there still |
| 17:36.14 | PenZ | we are coding a custom php one that you will auto be logged into irc when the site loads |
| 17:36.29 | PenZ | when it decides to stop being a pita |
| 17:38.46 | Com[Plex] | I need someone who can test it tho |
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| 17:38.58 | kryhme | test what? |
| 17:39.05 | PenZ | com tomorrow I can |
| 17:39.18 | PenZ | got to work atm =-B |
| 17:39.21 | Com[Plex] | I think I fuond a problem with the list file. |
| 17:39.31 | Com[Plex] | cool openx. thanks :> |
| 17:40.05 | Com[Plex] | un. /s openx/penz |
| 17:40.15 | PenZ | do you have it ready now? |
| 17:40.22 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 17:40.32 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/ |
| 17:40.32 | PenZ | url again |
| 17:40.41 | PenZ | wget url heh |
| 17:40.47 | Com[Plex] | wget http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.2_arm.ipk |
| 17:40.54 | PenZ | dont make me open opera |
| 17:40.57 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 17:41.58 | PenZ | crap still thinks its installed since it did't restart qtopia |
| 17:42.01 | PenZ | bbiaf |
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| 17:45.31 | PenZ | still took 5 secs |
| 17:45.48 | Com[Plex] | damnit |
| 17:46.35 | PenZ | =-( |
| 17:46.50 | Com[Plex] | its okay. |
| 17:46.51 | kryhme | you having problems with wget? |
| 17:46.58 | Com[Plex] | no |
| 17:47.06 | Com[Plex] | thits jeode creator |
| 17:47.30 | kryhme | ah, running into problesm |
| 17:47.33 | kryhme | problems |
| 17:47.40 | kryhme | ? |
| 17:48.54 | PenZ | bbl |
| 17:48.56 | PenZ | sorry |
| 17:51.03 | Com[Plex] | ahh, I bet i know what it is. |
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| 17:54.45 | saurus | oh sheet I did something bad... I got a camera and installed it and it all works ok. I went to the mech keyboard to type something in and it has the function key locked down some way. |
| 17:55.20 | saurus | all i get is function things |
| 17:55.34 | saurus | heard of that one? |
| 17:55.47 | Coup-PDA | yeah |
| 17:55.53 | kryhme | press fn + /? |
| 17:56.06 | kryhme | or i'm wrong |
| 17:56.09 | Coup-PDA | thats the ticket |
| 17:56.48 | kryhme | Coup-PDA: you on a zaurus? |
| 17:57.22 | Coup-PDA | yep |
| 17:57.35 | Coup-PDA | opie-irc |
| 17:57.46 | Coup-PDA | better than zic IMHO |
| 17:57.59 | Com[Plex] | aw yeah, I got it now |
| 17:58.01 | saurus | thanks. that worked. |
| 17:58.07 | saurus | you guys rock |
| 17:58.09 | Com[Plex] | who here is runnin the sharp rom? |
| 17:58.19 | saurus | me |
| 17:58.21 | Coup-PDA | all uk people should be watching c4, lots of good welsh bands on |
| 17:58.43 | Coup-PDA | i r on on3 |
| 17:59.47 | Com[Plex] | saurus, yuou wanna contribute to the cause? im trying to fix this jeode runtime grabber. need someone to test it out for me |
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| 18:00.42 | Coup-PDA | Complex: note youre in zauruis, not openzaurus |
| 18:00.59 | Coup-PDA | damn small keyboard |
| 18:01.07 | Com[Plex] | yeah, thats why im asking here. no one in opez would use the sharp rom |
| 18:02.10 | Coup-PDA | :) |
| 18:02.18 | Com[Plex] | anyway, saurus: if you would liek to help, just grab this file, and install it on the z. - what it will do, is it will take the jeode files and make a copy of them in a nice little package in your /home/root/Documents folder. it shuld take about 5 minutes to complete. |
| 18:02.40 | Com[Plex] | once thats done, you can send me that file and uninstall the jeodcreator |
| 18:02.50 | Coup-PDA | Com(plex) these gonna run in oz? |
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| 18:02.55 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 18:03.02 | Coup-PDA | sweet |
| 18:03.08 | Com[Plex] | if you just want the jeode files, you can get them from me here. |
| 18:03.10 | Com[Plex] | ; |
| 18:03.12 | Com[Plex] | damnit |
| 18:03.19 | Com[Plex] | hang on.. let me get the link :> |
| 18:03.30 | Coup-PDA | was it u that posted the solution to the mail list? |
| 18:03.38 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeode-for-oz3_0.2_arm.ipk |
| 18:03.48 | Com[Plex] | no. |
| 18:04.10 | Com[Plex] | I jsut wipped it out today bnecause I wanted to play with kaos |
| 18:04.14 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 18:04.25 | Coup-PDA | nice work |
| 18:04.30 | Com[Plex] | tnx |
| 18:05.34 | kryhme | now if only hancomm word was as easy |
| 18:05.46 | Com[Plex] | wget http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.3_arm.ipk |
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| 18:07.08 | Com[Plex] | who wants to type shit in hancom work anwyay? you cant Print from it. lol |
| 18:07.58 | Coup-PDA | gettin it now |
| 18:08.09 | Coup-PDA | i just use an html editor |
| 18:08.32 | kryhme | i take notes in class with mine and then just move the file to my desktop and print it there |
| 18:08.35 | Coup-PDA | btw: careful jeode dont catch u distributing their wares |
| 18:09.58 | kryhme | hrm, i got a segfault from trying to take a screenshot. not good |
| 18:10.04 | Coup-PDA | ipkg install jeodcreator_1.3_arm.ipk Installing jeodcreator (1.3) Configuring jeodcreator...cat: /usr/lib/ipkg/info/jeod.list: No such file or directory mv: unable to rename `/tmp/jeod/jeod_1.00_arm.tar.gz': No such file or directory |
| 18:10.50 | Coup-PDA | df |
| 18:11.34 | Coup-PDA | com: any ideas? |
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| 18:13.28 | Coup-PDA | hmm removing opie-multikey causes a segfault? |
| 18:21.56 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: ? |
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| 18:22.53 | kryhme | nasa, long time no see |
| 18:23.00 | nasa | Hey com[plex]: you fixed jeodcreator |
| 18:23.10 | nasa | kryhme: work, work, work |
| 18:23.19 | nasa | and then honey do list.... |
| 18:24.33 | kryhme | i don't think com[plex] got all the bugs out of it yet, but i think he's pretty much done |
| 18:24.43 | kryhme | there was a lot of discussion about jeode just before you came in |
| 18:24.50 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: you can grab his and check out what's different |
| 18:25.10 | TheMasterMind1 | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.3_arm.ipk |
| 18:25.51 | nasa | will do |
| 18:27.04 | Com[Plex] | hiya |
| 18:27.20 | nasa | hiya com[plex] |
| 18:27.21 | TheMasterMind1 | great, you're both here |
| 18:27.27 | Com[Plex] | just need sdomeone to test it |
| 18:27.48 | nasa | lol, same here.... |
| 18:27.48 | kryhme | Com[Plex]: what platform |
| 18:27.54 | Com[Plex] | sharp |
| 18:28.13 | Com[Plex] | im minutes away from just flashing my fucking rom back o qte |
| 18:28.17 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 18:28.32 | kryhme | badl: you around |
| 18:28.46 | badl | kryhme: kind of |
| 18:29.26 | nasa | so com[plex] how did you modify the jeodcretor ipkg? |
| 18:29.43 | nasa | compared to 1.0... |
| 18:31.13 | Com[Plex] | modified the ile list to include a bunch more files, primtest, icons, etc. then I modified the postinst to cover it, as well as including my modified installdir,.sh ile that matches the paths of oz3 |
| 18:31.18 | Com[Plex] | uh. what else? |
| 18:31.49 | Com[Plex] | I think my f key is dying |
| 18:32.16 | Com[Plex] | nasa, are you benmeyer? |
| 18:32.22 | nasa | hmmm... I had just modified the jeodcreator by updating the postinst script to create a modified installdir.sh file |
| 18:32.25 | nasa | no |
| 18:32.43 | nasa | why? |
| 18:33.01 | Com[Plex] | oh. thats who was the maintainer in the control file. |
| 18:33.10 | nasa | oh.... |
| 18:33.47 | nasa | nah, I just noticed the problem, figured out how to fix it and thought I would try *grin* to update the ipkg |
| 18:33.57 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 18:34.05 | Com[Plex] | where is your update of it? |
| 18:34.21 | Com[Plex] | the one that I saw on killefix has no installdir.sh file. |
| 18:34.36 | nasa | I gave it to someone to test -- I am fixing evolution so I don't know off hand |
| 18:34.44 | nasa | who it is |
| 18:35.09 | Com[Plex] | heh |
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| 18:36.15 | Com[Plex] | to tell you the truth, until two hours ago, I didnt know there was a joedcreator. I jsut make an ipk of the files wich could isntall to oz3 and modified the installdir.sh file. packed it all together, but kergoth sugested I try fixing the jeodcreator after. |
| 18:36.33 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeode-for-oz3_0.2_arm.ipk |
| 18:36.49 | nasa | Yeah, there may be a licensing problem doing ti that way |
| 18:36.50 | Com[Plex] | that ahs the primtest and quasar in it too |
| 18:37.14 | Com[Plex] | if someone complains. Ill remove it, and apologize. |
| 18:37.21 | nasa | I just modified the jeodcreator so people can rip it them selves |
| 18:37.45 | Com[Plex] | the problem is, that most people are allready On the oz3 rom |
| 18:37.49 | Com[Plex] | too late to grab the files. |
| 18:38.24 | kryhme | i tried to goto the sharp rom to grab files, but it wouldn't flash right, so i gave up |
| 18:38.31 | kryhme | this was last week |
| 18:38.33 | Com[Plex] | we should make it so it mounts the sharp roms initrd file on a linux box and gets it out from there |
| 18:38.40 | kryhme | yes |
| 18:39.07 | kryhme | i attempted doing it that way for a few days using the old creator script |
| 18:39.18 | Com[Plex] | ahh. |
| 18:39.30 | nasa | kryhme: so what went wrong? |
| 18:40.01 | Com[Plex] | its path specific. and yuo gotta unrar that stupid hidden .home_default.rar file |
| 18:40.05 | kryhme | once you break apart the sharp rom, i had a hard time unpacking all the files that it would unpack once the rom would load for the first time |
| 18:40.06 | kryhme | yes |
| 18:40.07 | Com[Plex] | because he didnt do this |
| 18:40.14 | kryhme | that was my problem |
| 18:40.21 | kryhme | getting those damn files in their right place |
| 18:40.24 | Com[Plex] | he didnt get the Jeode/.desktop dfile |
| 18:40.32 | Com[Plex] | oh yeah. nasa. I threw that file in there too |
| 18:40.57 | Com[Plex] | that file and folder, that way the jeode menu appears in the start menu and on the top |
| 18:41.01 | Com[Plex] | with the right icon |
| 18:41.40 | kryhme | maybe i should make a quick script or program that will unpack the sharp rom and create a directory structure on a disk |
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| 18:42.15 | Com[Plex] | thats what i was jsut sayin :> |
| 18:42.38 | kryhme | did you use romburst to take apart the image? |
| 18:43.03 | Com[Plex] | uh.. I jsut used dd bs=131072 if=ROMIMAGE count=113 skip=14 of=initrd.bin |
| 18:43.10 | Com[Plex] | losetup /dev/loop0 ./initrd.bin |
| 18:43.15 | Com[Plex] | mount -t cramfs /dev/loop0 /mnt/zcram |
| 18:43.19 | nasa | Why not just mount the rom and then use the postint script (modified sligtly) to create the ipkg? |
| 18:43.31 | Com[Plex] | then you gotta copy the /mnt/zcram file to a writable directory. |
| 18:43.49 | Com[Plex] | isnt that the same thing we just said? |
| 18:43.54 | nasa | yeah |
| 18:43.57 | Com[Plex] | thats what I mean anyway. heh |
| 18:44.12 | Com[Plex] | once you cp it a writable spot, you gotta unrar that stupid hidden file. |
| 18:44.26 | kryhme | yup |
| 18:44.26 | nasa | nah, I don't think so |
| 18:44.29 | Com[Plex] | thats enough to get the apps/Jeode directory and files. |
| 18:44.55 | Com[Plex] | eyah, without that rar, you wont get /home/QtPalmtop/apps or anything in it |
| 18:45.22 | Com[Plex] | as well as a shitload of other files. tho unrelated to jeode |
| 18:45.26 | nasa | have you looked at the script in the jeodcreator ipkg? |
| 18:45.31 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 18:45.37 | Com[Plex] | trhe postinst script. |
| 18:45.42 | Com[Plex] | I modified it quite a bit |
| 18:46.01 | Com[Plex] | it did not include the apps and Jeode folders |
| 18:46.26 | nasa | hmmm... which apps? |
| 18:46.43 | Com[Plex] | the "apps" folder |
| 18:46.55 | Com[Plex] | /home/QtPalmtop/apps |
| 18:47.01 | Com[Plex] | /home/QtPalmtop/apps/Jeode |
| 18:47.09 | Com[Plex] | /home/QtPalmtop/apps/Jeode/.desktop etc |
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| 18:48.25 | nasa | I figured people would just need java and then install what ever java apps they needed |
| 18:48.43 | jbwiv | what the hell. I'm trying to use DocLnks to create a file from a qt/e app. No matter what I try....AppLnk::writeLink, FileManager::saveFile(DocLnk &), etc., nothing seems to work. Is there a trick here I'm missing? thanks! |
| 18:49.05 | Com[Plex] | true. but without the Jeode folder in there, they wont have an appropriate menu for it. |
| 18:49.47 | Com[Plex] | -anyone tried kaos yet? |
| 18:49.59 | Com[Plex] | Ive been playing with it. pretty cool. a little slow, but what do you expect |
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| 19:02.28 | TheMasterMind1 | so you guys got this thing figured out? |
| 19:04.55 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: |
| 19:05.03 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: where'd you get the stuff that's in http://me.256k.net/zaurus/sdl/ |
| 19:06.40 | JasonNJ | complex: please dont distribute jeode. |
| 19:07.07 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: we were still discussing things |
| 19:07.10 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
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| 19:07.35 | nasa | We want to be able to mount the sharp rom and rip it from there... instead of having to reinstall the sharp rom |
| 19:07.47 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: yea, that could be another script |
| 19:09.35 | nasa | I still need someone to test my modified jeodcreator.... |
| 19:09.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm yea, slave testers are needed |
| 19:12.34 | JasonNJ | this is weird: http://www.smalltime.com/dictator.html |
| 19:14.09 | JasonNJ | I picked a REALLY obscure sitcom character and it guessed it |
| 19:15.39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmm |
| 19:15.46 | TheMasterMind1 | how many questions? |
| 19:15.52 | kryhme | or it's an endless loop |
| 19:15.52 | JasonNJ | a lot |
| 19:16.01 | badl | yeah |
| 19:16.03 | JasonNJ | but, it did eventually know |
| 19:18.47 | *** join/#zaurus bzdougg (~blah@adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 19:18.47 | badl | lets see if it guess "me" ;) |
| 19:18.49 | bzdougg | I want a zaurus! |
| 19:18.49 | kryhme | the disclamier gives it away that anyone could have/can contribute questions |
| 19:18.49 | bzdougg | Thanks, I wanted to say that |
| 19:18.49 | oGMo | bzdougg: let's see. checking. evaluating statement.... |
| 19:18.49 | bzdougg | :P |
| 19:18.49 | oGMo | bzdougg: conclusion: yes, you do. |
| 19:18.51 | oGMo | :) |
| 19:18.51 | bzdougg | oh good, doenst mean I am gonna get one |
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| 19:18.51 | oGMo | i'm hoping the sl-5500 goes down in price with the annouced 5600 |
| 19:18.52 | oGMo | "announced" |
| 19:18.52 | bzdougg | how much is the 5500? |
| 19:18.52 | badl | it already has |
| 19:18.52 | bzdougg | and the 5600? |
| 19:18.52 | JasonNJ | whoa |
| 19:18.52 | oGMo | badl: to what? |
| 19:18.53 | bzdougg | or will be |
| 19:18.53 | oGMo | ah |
| 19:18.53 | oGMo | er |
| 19:18.53 | bzdougg | oh |
| 19:18.53 | JasonNJ | did it again, it narrowed it down to a single tv show |
| 19:18.53 | badl | oGMo: not sure... depends on your country |
| 19:18.53 | oGMo | badl: ah |
| 19:18.55 | JasonNJ | it guessed Sgt Yamana from barney miller when I was thinking "fish" from barney miller |
| 19:18.59 | oGMo | well, US here, hopefully $300 or $200 would be even better ;) |
| 19:19.00 | JasonNJ | that is freakin close |
| 19:19.06 | bzdougg | indeed |
| 19:19.17 | oGMo | in fact, they should just hand them out on street corners |
| 19:19.20 | bzdougg | I wouldnt mind one of em |
| 19:19.25 | badl | JasonNJ: it thinks that "i'm" lex luther from smallville |
| 19:19.26 | oGMo | send them in the mail instead of AOL discs |
| 19:19.29 | bzdougg | hah, they "should" |
| 19:19.34 | bzdougg | heh |
| 19:19.47 | bzdougg | would be less profitable... |
| 19:20.17 | numatrix | ibot: seen ljp |
| 19:20.17 | | ljp is currently on #opie #zaurus #openzaurus. Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 46s |
| 19:22.32 | numatrix | ljp: Somebody mentioned you got opera working on openzaurus? Any hints as to which library was needed to fix it? |
| 19:22.33 | bzdougg | but hey! good for clients! |
| 19:22.33 | oGMo | but i could get a lot of free Z's! |
| 19:22.33 | oGMo | ;) |
| 19:22.34 | bzdougg | and you could send some of them to me! |
| 19:22.36 | bzdougg | hmm, this 5600 is twice as fast |
| 19:22.36 | JasonNJ | cool it guessed Stalin in 10 guesses |
| 19:22.36 | bzdougg | how would I go about getting a wireless card for one? I would only get one if I could get wireless |
| 19:22.36 | bzdougg | or ethernet at least |
| 19:22.37 | bzdougg | but wireless would be slick |
| 19:22.37 | kryhme|alcohol | bzdougg: you can buy them tons of places |
| 19:22.37 | bzdougg | eh? |
| 19:22.38 | bzdougg | CF? |
| 19:22.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: somebody was wrong ;) ask Harlekin |
| 19:22.40 | kryhme|alcohol | bzdougg: yes |
| 19:22.48 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 19:22.54 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 19:22.54 | | i guess wifi is see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 19:23.10 | bzdougg | ick, 62? |
| 19:23.11 | bzdougg | :) |
| 19:23.22 | nasa | bbl |
| 19:23.23 | bzdougg | k |
| 19:23.24 | kryhme|alcohol | bzdougg: that's pretty reasonable |
| 19:23.28 | bzdougg | yea |
| 19:23.55 | JasonNJ | cool Ceausescu in 15 guesses |
| 19:24.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:24.15 | JasonNJ | fun site |
| 19:24.19 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 19:24.26 | TheMasterMind1 | you see what it does when it gets it wrong |
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| 19:24.28 | TheMasterMind1 | asks you for a question |
| 19:25.01 | bzdougg | hmm, whats a cheap place to get zauruses? |
| 19:25.12 | TheMasterMind1 | ebay? |
| 19:25.16 | bzdougg | ah |
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| 19:25.27 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 19:25.38 | bzdougg | with christmas right around the corner... |
| 19:25.38 | kryhme|alcohol | shopper.cnet.com search for zaurus... that will give you a lot of places and compare prices |
| 19:25.43 | bzdougg | k |
| 19:26.08 | bzdougg | whats SD/MMC card slot? |
| 19:27.03 | dep | just ordered one from J and R.....$360...didn't want to wait any more for the prices to come down, even with comdex around the corner |
| 19:27.24 | TheMasterMind1 | they were for $333 on buy.com for a while |
| 19:27.24 | TheMasterMind1 | free shipping |
| 19:27.31 | TheMasterMind1 | but then buy.com upped the price to $399 again |
| 19:27.32 | TheMasterMind1 | weird.. |
| 19:27.36 | bzdougg | the 5500? |
| 19:27.54 | JasonNJ | cool Idi Amin in 32 guesses |
| 19:27.55 | dep | yeah...i'm in canada so have to find places that ship here (yes, 5500) |
| 19:27.56 | numatrix | bzdougg: It's a flash memory card slot. |
| 19:28.03 | bzdougg | ah |
| 19:28.06 | bzdougg | ok |
| 19:28.16 | bzdougg | pretty cheap |
| 19:28.17 | numatrix | bzdougg: Similar to CF, but much, much smaller. |
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| 19:28.39 | bzdougg | numatrix: any cards that go in? or only storage? |
| 19:29.07 | bzdougg | like ethernet cards.. |
| 19:30.07 | numatrix | bzdougg: There are data devices that use it, but none will work with the 5500 or the 5600 because it doesn't have the hardware requirements to take advantage of that sepc. |
| 19:30.09 | numatrix | spec. |
| 19:30.27 | bzdougg | ah |
| 19:30.30 | bzdougg | slick |
| 19:32.06 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 19:32.42 | bzdougg | ~lart sussudio |
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| 19:34.50 | Com[Plex] | hey guys, if anyone gets a chance to test out this jeodcreator, let me know if it works. pretty please. |
| 19:35.30 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.3_arm.ipk |
| 19:53.10 | badl | Com[Plex]: doesn't work when trying to install to SD |
| 19:53.51 | numatrix | Ummm... badl: that ipk is supposed to MAKE an ipk from your existing jeod install, it's not supposed to actually be installed anywhere. |
| 19:55.00 | badl | numatrix: yeah thats right... but the install fails to unpack the ipk when installing to SD.... works fine when done to RAM |
| 19:55.22 | numatrix | badl: Hmm, I guess it is worth noting. Wonder why that is. |
| 19:56.05 | badl | numatrix: i suspect it is due to the dir structure of the data.tar.gz file inside the jeodcreator |
| 19:57.24 | numatrix | badl: data.tar.gz is empty. :-) |
| 19:57.40 | numatrix | badl: Wait a second... |
| 19:57.49 | badl | numatrix: no it has one .sh file |
| 19:57.53 | numatrix | Are you talking about the creator not installing or the ipk that the creator makes not installing? |
| 19:58.03 | badl | the creator |
| 19:58.10 | numatrix | badl: Really? |
| 19:58.23 | badl | yep |
| 19:58.41 | numatrix | There shouldn't be anything in the data.tar.gz. It should all be control file stuff. |
| 19:59.25 | badl | i have this single file in data.tar.gz: ./home/tmp/installdir.sh |
| 19:59.48 | numatrix | badl: Yeah, I know, I'm looking at it now. |
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| 20:18.41 | Com[Plex] | badl, is your sd card formatted to ext2? |
| 20:18.59 | Fatbum | is the c700 the clamshell one? |
| 20:19.04 | Fatbum | any1 seen a toshiba 3500? |
| 20:19.16 | Com[Plex] | numatrix |
| 20:19.30 | badl | Com[Plex]: yes |
| 20:19.37 | Com[Plex] | the isntalldir.sh needs to be customized for use with oz2 |
| 20:19.39 | Com[Plex] | oz3 |
| 20:20.01 | Com[Plex] | thats why tghere is a file in data.tar.gz |
| 20:20.10 | Com[Plex] | badl, how much ram do you have on your z? |
| 20:20.16 | Com[Plex] | whats your zimage set for? |
| 20:20.20 | badl | Com[Plex]: hmm 19meg free |
| 20:20.22 | Com[Plex] | and your using the stock rom right? |
| 20:20.32 | badl | Com[Plex]: yep stock |
| 20:20.35 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 20:20.36 | badl | Com[Plex]: v 2.12 |
| 20:20.41 | Com[Plex] | does it rip the files okay? |
| 20:20.48 | Com[Plex] | could you send me the product ipk? |
| 20:21.01 | badl | Com[Plex]: no it only creates the dir structure... doesn't copy any files |
| 20:21.05 | badl | ok hang on |
| 20:21.24 | Com[Plex] | send away. the last one I did created some files. I knwo what I did to screw it up. |
| 20:22.10 | Com[Plex] | iokay, no problem |
| 20:22.31 | Com[Plex] | I changed something that I thought about when I was afk. |
| 20:22.37 | Com[Plex] | UIll fix that, and this will work |
| 20:22.41 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: so why does the installer need to be in the data again? |
| 20:22.43 | badl | ok |
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| 20:26.33 | Com[Plex] | the "installdir.sh" file needs to be copied into the new ipk. yu cant grab it fom the qto rom because its not the same file. |
| 20:26.55 | Com[Plex] | I suppose it could be copied from the ipkg info folder or whatever. but Id rather put it in tmp |
| 20:27.50 | Com[Plex] | wget http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.4_arm.ipk |
| 20:27.55 | badl | ok |
| 20:27.56 | Com[Plex] | this shuold work |
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| 20:30.31 | Com[Plex] | btw, per request, this one also grabs the primtest and quasar apps. for testing purps. |
| 20:31.59 | Com[Plex] | this shoudl take a while to run too |
| 20:32.03 | Com[Plex] | like 5 minutes.. |
| 20:34.33 | Com[Plex] | do me a favor, and /notice me when your done.. that way Ill hear you and wake up. |
| 20:34.34 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 20:35.30 | badl | Com[Plex]: yep done that.. works now creates an .ipk around 1.8meg |
| 20:35.35 | Com[Plex] | woot! |
| 20:35.39 | Com[Plex] | wanna send that to me too?? :> |
| 20:35.52 | badl | if you can put up with dailup speeds ;) |
| 20:36.04 | Com[Plex] | I can :> |
| 20:36.15 | Com[Plex] | as long as yuo dont mind... I just wanna verify it. |
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| 20:36.18 | guised | hey |
| 20:36.21 | badl | nps |
| 20:36.27 | Com[Plex] | make sure its got all the files exactly as it should |
| 20:36.30 | Com[Plex] | guised |
| 20:36.32 | Com[Plex] | sup |
| 20:36.52 | guised | nada... having some problems with op2 |
| 20:37.04 | guised | i had to flash back today because of it |
| 20:37.05 | Com[Plex] | op2 or op3? |
| 20:37.21 | guised | hmm... its the one that on killde... |
| 20:37.26 | guised | it said opie player 2 |
| 20:37.27 | guised | lol |
| 20:37.30 | Com[Plex] | www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 20:37.35 | Com[Plex] | oh o |
| 20:37.36 | guised | yeah |
| 20:37.41 | Com[Plex] | I thought oz2.. ol |
| 20:37.50 | guised | lol |
| 20:37.51 | Com[Plex] | okay. your probly running outa ram |
| 20:37.53 | Com[Plex] | right? |
| 20:37.57 | guised | YES! |
| 20:37.59 | guised | ALL THE TIME |
| 20:38.06 | Com[Plex] | yeah, its a hog. - what rom are you using? |
| 20:38.13 | Com[Plex] | do you have a sl5500? |
| 20:38.14 | guised | i've got a developer one |
| 20:38.17 | Com[Plex] | okay |
| 20:38.18 | guised | 32 |
| 20:38.19 | Com[Plex] | I do too. |
| 20:38.42 | guised | i used the one that was like 26-6 |
| 20:38.52 | Com[Plex] | well. up till recently, I couldnt run op2, but I jsut isntalled he OZ3 rom, and I used the 32/0 zimage |
| 20:39.01 | guised | 32/0? |
| 20:39.10 | guised | there is such a thing? |
| 20:39.12 | Com[Plex] | now, as long as I dont have any other apps running, it wont run out of memory. |
| 20:39.20 | guised | hmm |
| 20:39.21 | Com[Plex] | uh yeah. - are you familiar with OpenZaurus? |
| 20:39.34 | Com[Plex] | the operating system on the zaurus is Qtopia |
| 20:39.34 | guised | im familiar with trying it out and having it not working out |
| 20:39.36 | guised | ;-) |
| 20:39.48 | Com[Plex] | hehe. yes, we all are. but the new one does not behav that way |
| 20:40.14 | guised | are you kidding? I played with it yesterday! |
| 20:40.18 | Com[Plex] | it has some very mibnor issues, but theres a maintenance release to v3.1 coming out soon to address those. |
| 20:40.22 | Com[Plex] | really? |
| 20:40.24 | guised | i really liked the 2.9.5.5 one |
| 20:40.24 | guised | yeah |
| 20:40.27 | Com[Plex] | what hapened? |
| 20:40.40 | guised | i played with appearance and that caused some error and i was logged out of root |
| 20:40.44 | Com[Plex] | hahah |
| 20:40.46 | guised | i had to hard reboot |
| 20:40.55 | numatrix | guised: yeah, that was the first bug I found in 3.0 as well. |
| 20:40.56 | guised | then there was the dreadful experience with opie-write |
| 20:40.59 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 20:41.06 | Com[Plex] | opie write? never used it |
| 20:41.13 | guised | its great... |
| 20:41.16 | guised | until it fucks up |
| 20:41.19 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 20:41.21 | guised | oh yeah, and you can't save |
| 20:41.26 | guised | well, there's no save button |
| 20:41.28 | Com[Plex] | bloops! |
| 20:41.30 | guised | but it automatically saves |
| 20:41.32 | guised | its a beta |
| 20:41.38 | guised | but it looks VERY promising ;-) |
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| 20:42.05 | guised | so anyways |
| 20:42.15 | guised | i was trying to play a movie off my sd card |
| 20:42.17 | Com[Plex] | well, you can allways uninstall the offending apps and install the qte versions or some other |
| 20:42.20 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 20:42.26 | Com[Plex] | not with a developer version you arent |
| 20:42.30 | guised | something tells me that, that isn't working |
| 20:42.30 | Com[Plex] | heh |
| 20:42.31 | guised | yeah. |
| 20:42.33 | Com[Plex] | sorry,.. go on |
| 20:42.41 | guised | there's no way to make that work |
| 20:42.43 | guised | is there? |
| 20:42.53 | Com[Plex] | well. right now op2 is in early beta |
| 20:43.03 | Com[Plex] | even tho it looks gorgeous. its Not ready |
| 20:43.05 | guised | will i ever be able to play a video off my SD |
| 20:43.25 | Com[Plex] | its on the back burner right now, because its such a huge project. its going to take some time to tweak it |
| 20:43.26 | numatrix | guised: I've played videos off my SD just fine. |
| 20:43.35 | Com[Plex] | yes, you will be able to |
| 20:43.37 | badl | guised: i have |
| 20:43.44 | numatrix | guised: I've used mplayer without a problem. |
| 20:43.47 | Com[Plex] | numa, he has adeveloper version. sharp rom |
| 20:43.51 | guised | SL-5000 or SL-5500? |
| 20:43.57 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: Shouldn't make a difference. |
| 20:44.11 | guised | Com[Plex] I was using ox3 at the time |
| 20:44.12 | numatrix | I used to have the 5500, but I'm on a 5000 now. Haven't tried playing movies though. Let me give it a whirl... |
| 20:44.26 | Com[Plex] | oh. what happened to your 5500? |
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| 20:45.19 | guised | Com[Plex]: are you running ox3? |
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| 20:45.20 | guised | err |
| 20:45.21 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: Long story short, Best Buy lied to me. I was going to exchange it, they didn't have any, said another store did so I could just return it, get the full price I paid for it on a store credit, and go to the other store and get it. |
| 20:45.23 | guised | oz3 |
| 20:45.25 | elron_ | oh |
| 20:45.27 | elron_ | hello |
| 20:45.29 | badl | Com[Plex]: done ;) |
| 20:45.41 | Com[Plex] | guised, yes I am |
| 20:45.51 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: Unfortunately, the other store didn't have any, so I was shafted. So I'm using the 5000 I had given my wife. :-) And now I'm just going to wait until the 5600 comes out and hope best buy carries that. |
| 20:46.02 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 20:46.05 | Com[Plex] | I hope they do. |
| 20:46.08 | elron | I want to ask a FAQ: is there any document I could read before bothering this channel ? |
| 20:46.16 | numatrix | elron: For general zaurus usage? |
| 20:46.17 | Com[Plex] | what happaned to it anyway? did it die? |
| 20:46.23 | elron | no |
| 20:46.24 | Com[Plex] | thank you badl |
| 20:46.33 | elron | acquiring a zaurus from paris :) |
| 20:47.07 | guised | badl: how large was the movie you played |
| 20:47.11 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: No, it was just minor tweaks, I wouldn't have returned it if I knew they didn't have any. It was slightly funky; keyboard was very occasionally acting up, and the unit wouldn't auto-suspend occasionally. |
| 20:47.29 | guised | that's another problem with oz3! |
| 20:47.36 | guised | when it doesn't like me, it auto-suspends! |
| 20:47.39 | dep | elron: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
| 20:47.40 | guised | sorry, you just reminded me |
| 20:47.50 | badl | guised: from memory around 9 meg |
| 20:48.13 | guised | badl: is a 65 meg from SD unreasonable? |
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| 20:48.29 | Com[Plex] | badl. that worked perfectly |
| 20:48.30 | badl | guised: nope.... although i haven't tried anything that large |
| 20:48.43 | badl | Com[Plex]: good stuff.... time to upload to zfi! |
| 20:48.46 | numatrix | guised: I've played x-men episodes from SD before. They were about that large. |
| 20:48.46 | Com[Plex] | badl. hell no |
| 20:48.48 | badl | zsi rather |
| 20:48.52 | Com[Plex] | I made this one myself |
| 20:49.00 | Com[Plex] | hang on. getting link' |
| 20:49.02 | numatrix | badl: There is a zfi too, though, you know. :-) |
| 20:49.04 | badl | Com[Plex]: i mean the "creator" app |
| 20:49.06 | guised | numatrix: i'm trying to watch chobits episodes on mine! |
| 20:49.09 | badl | numatrix: yeah |
| 20:49.11 | guised | lol |
| 20:49.16 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeode-for-oz3_0.2_arm.ipk |
| 20:49.29 | Com[Plex] | the creator is as legal as anything is gonna get |
| 20:49.36 | badl | exactly |
| 20:49.52 | badl | Com[Plex]: now we need one for opera and handcom apps ;) |
| 20:49.54 | Com[Plex] | its made to run On Your Z. when running Qte. theres no law against taking qte off and using something else. |
| 20:50.10 | numatrix | badl: I'm working on the opera one. Got some kinks to work out. :-) |
| 20:50.11 | Com[Plex] | there are ones uot there for those. but opera doesnt work right under oz3 |
| 20:50.18 | badl | numatrixkewl |
| 20:50.20 | Com[Plex] | samr with hancom |
| 20:50.21 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: It does now. Mostly. |
| 20:50.29 | Com[Plex] | I thought i was crashing? |
| 20:50.35 | Com[Plex] | opera I mean. not the grabber |
| 20:50.47 | numatrix | Requires having a duplicate libjpeg and spoofing ld path, but it works. |
| 20:50.49 | elron | I heard it was unsafe to use the microdrive with the Z because of temperature bounds being exceeded - is that true ? |
| 20:50.50 | badl | ahh |
| 20:51.01 | numatrix | elron: No. Friend of mine has one and it works fine. Though they do get very hot. |
| 20:51.01 | Com[Plex] | elron, I heard that too |
| 20:51.11 | badl | elron: more to the point you would void your warrenty |
| 20:51.16 | Com[Plex] | but I dont have an md so I dunno |
| 20:51.24 | guised | Com[Plex]: how does the 32-0 rom work? |
| 20:51.30 | numatrix | badl: So make sure to point out to sharp when you try to return it that you used a microdrive and it seemed to get extremely hot. :-) |
| 20:51.33 | Com[Plex] | guised. it works amazingly well |
| 20:51.40 | numatrix | Yup, quite well indeed. |
| 20:51.41 | badl | heheh |
| 20:51.56 | guised | i mean like file storage and such |
| 20:52.13 | Com[Plex] | I use an sd card formatted for ext2fs for storage. |
| 20:52.25 | numatrix | guised: I have a 128mb SD card that I use. Plus, 3 megs is open when you get it. And that space is using jffs, so it's compressed; it ends up being like more. |
| 20:52.28 | Com[Plex] | and there is some onboard storage left over in the flash., about 3 meggs I think. |
| 20:52.41 | Com[Plex] | yeah. hehe. |
| 20:52.41 | elron | what happens if I try removing a CF or SD card and it is not yet unmounted ? |
| 20:52.43 | Com[Plex] | ty numatrix |
| 20:52.44 | numatrix | And yeah, my sd card is ext2 as well. :-) |
| 20:52.48 | numatrix | elron: Nothing. |
| 20:52.51 | elron | (I have had nightmares with floppies and nfs in the past) |
| 20:52.55 | numatrix | oh wait, I misread. |
| 20:52.55 | Com[Plex] | oz3 is Very good at installing apps to sd |
| 20:52.57 | guised | how can i tell if my sd card is ext2 or whatever |
| 20:53.06 | guised | <<technically inept |
| 20:53.10 | numatrix | elron: Not yet UNmounted. Umm, what happens when you shut down your PC without unmounting a drive? Same thing. |
| 20:53.11 | Com[Plex] | if yuo didnt format it that way, its fat |
| 20:53.22 | elron | well |
| 20:53.39 | guised | is it better to have it fat or ext2? |
| 20:53.43 | Com[Plex] | ext2 |
| 20:53.45 | numatrix | Though in the end, I never really needed links ON the SD card, links TO the sd card are much more important. |
| 20:53.48 | elron | with linux two things can happen : either it says the device is not there any more and cleans up the vfs and sorta "forcibly unmounts" it |
| 20:53.50 | Com[Plex] | absolytely. but keep your CF card fat |
| 20:53.53 | elron | or it can turn crazy |
| 20:53.54 | numatrix | guised: I don't think it matters that much. |
| 20:53.58 | elron | and make the mount point unusable |
| 20:54.02 | elron | (as for hard mounted nfs) |
| 20:54.11 | guised | ah |
| 20:54.13 | guised | hmmm |
| 20:54.26 | Com[Plex] | Im gonna pass out.. |
| 20:54.31 | Com[Plex] | Im friggin beat |
| 20:54.35 | numatrix | also; elron, the unofficial zaurus faq is here if you're interested: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
| 20:54.40 | guised | do you think i might be able to open op2 without getting the mem problem? |
| 20:54.45 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: Get some sleep, man. |
| 20:54.50 | numatrix | guised: What rom are you using? |
| 20:54.53 | Com[Plex] | guised. I dont get a mem problem any more |
| 20:55.49 | guised | i was using the 26-6 |
| 20:55.49 | Com[Plex] | hes using the sharp rom. 26/6 |
| 20:55.49 | numatrix | guised: Maybe. Maybe not. |
| 20:55.49 | guised | hmm |
| 20:55.50 | numatrix | I'd guess not, but don't know. |
| 20:55.50 | numatrix | Probably depends on what you try to open as well. |
| 20:55.50 | guised | Com[Plex]: have you tried playing video? |
| 20:55.50 | Com[Plex] | no guised |
| 20:55.50 | guised | numatrix: a 65 meg avi |
| 20:55.50 | guised | LOL |
| 20:55.50 | numatrix | guised: Let me know if it works. :-) |
| 20:55.51 | Com[Plex] | you got a 128mb sd card? Im jealous :> |
| 20:55.59 | guised | Com[Plex]: ebay |
| 20:55.59 | Com[Plex] | but I bet your z doesnt look like this :> |
| 20:56.01 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 20:56.10 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 20:56.13 | numatrix | I've seen it. ;-) |
| 20:56.17 | Com[Plex] | lol :> |
| 20:56.22 | badl | lets see now |
| 20:56.26 | badl | ohh the blue Z |
| 20:56.28 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 20:56.29 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: No, but my 128mb SD card is a low-power sd card too. ;-) |
| 20:56.34 | Com[Plex] | DOH! |
| 20:56.43 | numatrix | Yeah, that is a really sweet looking mod though. |
| 20:56.44 | guised | damn |
| 20:56.50 | guised | thats nice |
| 20:56.55 | numatrix | Uses 1.8v instead of 3.3. Hard to beat... |
| 20:56.57 | Com[Plex] | thank you :> |
| 20:57.10 | Com[Plex] | cant wait for 1700mah!! |
| 20:57.16 | badl | boh! |
| 20:57.17 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:57.18 | numatrix | That will be very, very, very nice. |
| 20:57.23 | Com[Plex] | hiya kergoth |
| 20:57.24 | numatrix | He kergoth. Welcome back. |
| 20:57.25 | Com[Plex] | its working |
| 20:57.28 | Com[Plex] | 100% |
| 20:57.30 | guised | Com[Plex]: does the pant come off? |
| 20:57.31 | numatrix | So is opera. :-) Sorta. |
| 20:57.39 | guised | *paint |
| 20:57.40 | kergoth | thanks |
| 20:57.46 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeodcreator_1.4_arm.ipk |
| 20:57.53 | kergoth | opera's sorta working? |
| 20:57.58 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: nice |
| 20:58.00 | Com[Plex] | yes, the painht has chipped on the back some. I used crappy paint. |
| 20:58.01 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: get it tested? |
| 20:58.04 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 20:58.09 | kergoth | great |
| 20:58.11 | numatrix | kergoth: Yup, using the libjpeg from sharp makes it run; the icon bar up top doesn't properly display, but it works fine otherwise. |
| 20:58.12 | kergoth | update zsi? |
| 20:58.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:58.14 | Com[Plex] | I got the product in the same folder on the site. |
| 20:58.20 | kergoth | numatrix: hm. what libjpeg version is sharp? |
| 20:58.34 | numatrix | kergoth: Based on the file name, it's supposed to be the same thing... :-( |
| 20:58.39 | kergoth | numatrix: ack |
| 20:58.47 | kergoth | numatrix: well, we can display jpegs everywhere else.. |
| 20:58.49 | kergoth | numatrix: oh, idea |
| 20:58.54 | kergoth | numatrix: sharp puts their sources on the dev site |
| 20:59.00 | kergoth | numatrix: we can compare to the stock sources |
| 20:59.05 | kergoth | numatrix: see if lineo patched them |
| 20:59.13 | numatrix | kergoth: Good idea. I'll go check. |
| 20:59.18 | Com[Plex] | www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 20:59.29 | Com[Plex] | should I update this to point to the one on My site? |
| 20:59.44 | badl | only if you have a sexy webpage |
| 20:59.47 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: well, the creator packages on there suck |
| 20:59.51 | Com[Plex] | numatrix. is This Your entry? |
| 20:59.52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: where are they stored currently? |
| 20:59.58 | numatrix | kergoth: Also, I don't know what would cause the toolbar to not be displayed. There's a BUTTONS directory in /whatever/opera/buttons but I've got it sym linked correctly as far as I can tell, and even went and sym linked /usr/QtPalmtop to /opt/QtPalmtop just to make sure. |
| 20:59.59 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: just give them to ben, they're probably hosed on ZZ |
| 21:00.01 | Com[Plex] | on benmyers page I think |
| 21:00.03 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: nope, the current one is someone else's |
| 21:00.03 | kergoth | numatrix: hmmm |
| 21:00.07 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 21:00.18 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: drop him an email |
| 21:00.22 | kergoth | or talk to him tomorrow |
| 21:00.39 | Com[Plex] | okay.. |
| 21:00.45 | Com[Plex] | Ill put it on mine for now. |
| 21:01.18 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:01.25 | guised | memory, memory, memory... |
| 21:01.26 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: also, you should drop emails to the lists |
| 21:01.31 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: let people know they're confirmed functional |
| 21:01.38 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: openzaurus-users, zaurus-general |
| 21:02.03 | elron | gee |
| 21:02.08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: :) |
| 21:02.14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: thanks for working on them by the way |
| 21:02.17 | Com[Plex] | uh.. where do I do that? |
| 21:02.20 | elron | I start to like this pda |
| 21:02.34 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: zaurus-general@lists.sf.net, openzaurus-users@lists.sf.net |
| 21:02.37 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: just drop an email |
| 21:02.53 | Com[Plex] | k. |
| 21:03.28 | Com[Plex] | no problem. It was fun |
| 21:03.43 | elron | but eventually the FAQ document doesn't tell me where to acquire the zaurus, the only online shop I can see is pc connection, of which I nevear heard before |
| 21:03.48 | Com[Plex] | its easy when somone has allready started it. lol |
| 21:03.56 | Com[Plex] | buy.com |
| 21:03.58 | Com[Plex] | newegg.com |
| 21:04.01 | Com[Plex] | mwave.com |
| 21:04.05 | elron | well |
| 21:04.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:04.10 | Com[Plex] | www.pricewatch.com |
| 21:04.10 | *** join/#zaurus Bones3D (bones3d@66-168-49-241.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 21:04.14 | Com[Plex] | shall I go on .com? |
| 21:04.15 | numatrix | elron: Dunno about places that ship to paris. |
| 21:04.17 | elron | do these shops ship to france ? |
| 21:04.30 | elron | it's a shame :-( |
| 21:04.36 | guised | hmmm |
| 21:07.14 | elron | well |
| 21:07.16 | *** join/#zaurus badl_ (~badl@203-96-130-111.dialup.globe.net.nz) |
| 21:07.18 | guised | elron: ebay? |
| 21:07.19 | elron | I can see buy.com ships worldwide |
| 21:07.28 | elron | but I expect it cannot ship _anything_ worldwide |
| 21:07.30 | elron | like amazon |
| 21:07.40 | elron | I am not comfident in ebay |
| 21:08.14 | guised | ah |
| 21:08.32 | guised | UK sites might ship it to you |
| 21:08.36 | *** join/#zaurus wParam (~dfgergh@198.70.228.71) |
| 21:09.11 | wParam | hmm... well I can hack the kernel a bit to force it to let me change to console mode from qtopia, but it makes qtopia a bit unhappy |
| 21:09.25 | elron | another question I had was |
| 21:09.43 | elron | what is the difference between sl5500G and the bare sl5500 (besides the language) ? |
| 21:10.34 | chouimat | the G |
| 21:10.36 | kergoth | wParam: you dont need kernel changes for that |
| 21:10.45 | elron | and, as for expansion memory cards, should I get CF or SD ? |
| 21:10.50 | elron | I can see SD is cheaper |
| 21:10.55 | wParam | well, sure, if the program doing the graphics is written to let you do the switch |
| 21:11.09 | wParam | but since qtopia doesn't seem to be, I tried to force it |
| 21:11.09 | kergoth | wParam: whether it is or not, its nothign kernel space |
| 21:11.14 | kergoth | wParam: its -all- application level |
| 21:11.30 | wParam | the things that come from the keyboard are kernel space |
| 21:11.45 | kergoth | you mean using a key combination for vt switching? |
| 21:11.50 | wParam | yeah |
| 21:11.51 | kergoth | you can switch vts without keyboard |
| 21:11.53 | kergoth | add a qtopia app |
| 21:11.58 | kergoth | and in console you use chvt |
| 21:12.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:12.08 | kergoth | its on my todo |
| 21:12.10 | kergoth | ;) |
| 21:12.13 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:12.13 | wParam | chvt seems to just hang there. |
| 21:12.16 | kergoth | theres too much on my todo |
| 21:12.18 | kergoth | wParam: no |
| 21:12.20 | kergoth | wParam: chvt works flawless |
| 21:12.25 | wParam | on sharp rom? |
| 21:12.28 | kergoth | wParam: its just you probably changed to a vt with nothing running on it! |
| 21:12.30 | kergoth | wParam: ;) |
| 21:12.37 | kergoth | wParam: start a bash on the vt in question first |
| 21:12.39 | kergoth | wParam: then switch to it |
| 21:13.00 | kergoth | wParam: or do something like this ( chvt 3; /bin/bash; chvt 1; ) |
| 21:13.01 | wParam | ack... must kill java first |
| 21:13.09 | kergoth | wParam: then it'll switch you to vt3, start a bash there |
| 21:13.12 | kergoth | wParam: thehn return you on exit |
| 21:13.19 | kergoth | wParam: i do just that in OZ to spawn opie on vt2 |
| 21:13.21 | wParam | I ran the java app and hit SAK, now the java app is drawing wantonly all over the screen |
| 21:13.26 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:13.49 | wParam | screw it. that's what sysrq+b is for |
| 21:13.58 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:14.03 | kergoth | sync up first |
| 21:14.09 | kergoth | for your card mounts |
| 21:14.14 | kergoth | sysrq+s |
| 21:14.31 | wParam | ooh, good thought. i'll do that next time ;) |
| 21:14.34 | guised | thanks! |
| 21:14.35 | guised | ttyl |
| 21:14.40 | kergoth | wParam: :) |
| 21:14.45 | wParam | at least rebooting that way doesn't seem to have the double reboot problem |
| 21:14.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:14.52 | kergoth | man |
| 21:14.57 | kergoth | i *love* sysrq |
| 21:14.59 | kergoth | so much |
| 21:15.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:15.28 | wParam | did you get it on your zaurus? |
| 21:15.44 | kergoth | yeah, i used it often from serial console |
| 21:15.47 | elron | where should I go in london ? |
| 21:15.48 | kergoth | when i had time to do kernel hacking on it |
| 21:15.53 | kergoth | going for the 2.5 stuff |
| 21:16.24 | wParam | i made it think home is the sysrq key so I can do it from the builtin keyboard |
| 21:16.25 | badl | ibot slashdot |
| 21:16.31 | kergoth | wParam: haha, nice |
| 21:16.39 | kergoth | wParam: got a patch handy? ;) |
| 21:16.47 | badl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.48 | Cloudchaser | kergoth.. what else should i back up besides /root? |
| 21:16.57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thats it, thats all your settings |
| 21:17.02 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: unles syou want to back up the whole rom |
| 21:17.04 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ;) |
| 21:17.05 | wParam | heh.. dunno how to make one |
| 21:17.23 | Cloudchaser | well..i just want to make sure i don't lose any data |
| 21:17.26 | kergoth | wParam: diff -urNd /from/blah.c.orig /from/blah.c |
| 21:17.32 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the data is in root |
| 21:17.35 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: just the apps elsehwere |
| 21:17.38 | badl | wtf it was sanyo.... stupid article |
| 21:18.07 | Cloudchaser | oki thanks.. i'm backing up my card too.. since that crash when i lost the sd card..not taking any chances |
| 21:18.24 | ljp | akk |
| 21:18.25 | Cloudchaser | was sheer luck i had even backed it up before the crash |
| 21:18.44 | wParam | and yeah, chvt is still being difficult, even with something running on the vt |
| 21:19.12 | Cloudchaser | i look forward to a full backup utility for oz |
| 21:19.17 | kergoth | wParam: hmm, works fine in oz.. i havent touched sharp in quite a while. but theres no reason it shouldnt work |
| 21:19.19 | Cloudchaser | one that works |
| 21:19.21 | wParam | the only thing i don't like is that the Z seems to have something against allowing printk to show up on the console. i have to hit dmesg to see the sysrq messages |
| 21:19.25 | kergoth | wParam: btw, is sharp chvt busybox chvt or console-tools chvt? |
| 21:19.29 | kergoth | wParam: oh, you can do it |
| 21:19.32 | kergoth | wParam: enable 'console on VT' |
| 21:19.38 | kergoth | wParam: works fine |
| 21:20.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:20.15 | wParam | it's busybox chvt |
| 21:20.22 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:20.28 | kergoth | you using the stock ancient busybox? |
| 21:20.30 | kergoth | could be flaky |
| 21:20.44 | wParam | OOOh, console on vt, neat, thanks |
| 21:20.47 | kergoth | np |
| 21:20.52 | wParam | yeah, this is the stock busybox |
| 21:20.59 | kergoth | that reminds me, i should build 'debug' oz kernels |
| 21:21.07 | kergoth | just with console on VT enabled |
| 21:21.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:21.11 | kergoth | maybe sysrq too |
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| 21:22.36 | elron | can anyone remind me the name of this place in london with many hitech shops ? |
| 21:22.49 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth. is there any way that I can get this busybox to save my .bash_history between sessions? |
| 21:22.54 | Com[Plex] | I really miss that |
| 21:23.04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: nope, busybox shell only stores it in memory, not in a file |
| 21:23.11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its on my todo to add that functionality to busybox ash |
| 21:23.16 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: install bash if you want it now :) |
| 21:23.17 | Cloudchaser | it does it in the sharp rom though |
| 21:23.20 | Com[Plex] | especially when IM allways opening konsole and typing ping 65.217.160.228 |
| 21:23.30 | Com[Plex] | ahhh |
| 21:23.31 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: sharp uses bash. |
| 21:23.34 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: bash is huge. |
| 21:23.41 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 21:23.42 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thats how we have more space free out of the box |
| 21:23.44 | wParam | huge, but worth it |
| 21:23.46 | kergoth | plus we have more stuff |
| 21:23.48 | Com[Plex] | so all I gotta do is replace the symlink with the exe. |
| 21:23.48 | kergoth | ssh, etc |
| 21:23.54 | Com[Plex] | binary I mean.. |
| 21:23.54 | kergoth | wParam: not really, busybox ash does almost everything |
| 21:23.57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: bingo |
| 21:24.01 | Com[Plex] | awesome. |
| 21:24.06 | kergoth | but the command history function would be very sweet to add in busybox |
| 21:24.25 | Com[Plex] | say, one more thing. I use updatedb and lacate alot. |
| 21:24.29 | wParam | really? hmm. I suppose all i've ever compared it to is sh, so I shouldn't talk |
| 21:24.58 | Com[Plex] | and it seems like every half hour, when I try to use locate, I keep getting told that my locate config file is missing |
| 21:25.28 | kergoth | wParam: hehe |
| 21:25.44 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hmm weird. want me to add locate to the oz buildroot and automate package building for it? |
| 21:25.51 | *** join/#zaurus sandman|away (~sandman@pD9E8B65F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:25.56 | Com[Plex] | I gotta re write ipkg build to work on the z. I had tried before, but I had no idea what I was doing |
| 21:26.27 | Com[Plex] | automate package building for it? how so? |
| 21:26.35 | Cloudchaser | hmm trying to copy a csv file via scp and it won't go |
| 21:27.04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ipkg-build works great |
| 21:27.16 | Com[Plex] | within oz3 even? |
| 21:27.18 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: the OZ buildroot builds all of OZ and its feeds and packages them up as ipks and builds an initrd.bin and kernels |
| 21:27.21 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yes |
| 21:27.43 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: so anything i add to the buildroot ends up in the oz feed when i update it |
| 21:27.43 | Com[Plex] | oh cool :> - when I tried it with the sharp rom in the passed, it didnt work |
| 21:27.48 | Com[Plex] | I see. |
| 21:27.56 | kergoth | so i'll be adding an assload of stuff |
| 21:27.58 | kergoth | because |
| 21:28.00 | Com[Plex] | well in that case, locate would be awesome :> |
| 21:28.04 | kergoth | the gcc3.2 build will break binary compatibility |
| 21:28.11 | kergoth | so i want to rebuild a lot of the apps for it |
| 21:28.15 | Com[Plex] | oh no? |
| 21:28.18 | kergoth | all it takes is a recompile |
| 21:28.20 | Com[Plex] | I dont understand |
| 21:28.24 | kergoth | the gcc3.2 image is fucking -fast- |
| 21:28.33 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: gcc 3.2 changed the c++ abi, binary compatibility is lost |
| 21:28.39 | Com[Plex] | ahh. |
| 21:28.40 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: (aka all the binary packages on zsi dont work) |
| 21:28.46 | Com[Plex] | bloops! |
| 21:28.49 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: but all it takes to fix them is a recompile |
| 21:28.53 | Com[Plex] | awesome :> |
| 21:28.53 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: so any open source apps, you're set |
| 21:29.01 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you just lose commercial until they make builds for it |
| 21:29.08 | Com[Plex] | well shit. aaaugh! |
| 21:29.11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: but gcc3.2 is better at optimization, the whole opie responds better |
| 21:29.20 | kergoth | its really fast |
| 21:29.25 | kergoth | so i'm adding puzz-le and shit to the buildroot |
| 21:29.29 | Com[Plex] | hm.. what about jeode? |
| 21:29.32 | kergoth | so i have nifty packages in the gcc3.2 feed |
| 21:29.34 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: not certain on that one |
| 21:29.39 | Com[Plex] | whoa.. |
| 21:29.54 | kergoth | you can flash the image just to play around |
| 21:29.57 | kergoth | flash back after |
| 21:29.59 | kergoth | ;) |
| 21:30.16 | Com[Plex] | :> there any way to back up all the chanes I made to my z in the passed week? |
| 21:30.17 | kergoth | it does suck not being able to play neo's games |
| 21:30.23 | Com[Plex] | I ahve a ahrd time keeping track of em all. lol |
| 21:30.28 | kergoth | so i'll have to go back to a normal image eventually |
| 21:30.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:30.31 | *** join/#zaurus saurus (~mike@adsl-208-190-152-140.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 21:30.32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: save your whole rom! |
| 21:30.37 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: then reflash your rom back |
| 21:30.39 | Com[Plex] | aargh! yeah man, I have nought all his games practicallly. |
| 21:30.45 | Com[Plex] | oh? how do I do that? |
| 21:30.52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/complex-initrd.bin bs=1024 |
| 21:30.54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ;) |
| 21:30.59 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: then rename your image to initrd.bin and flash it later |
| 21:30.59 | Com[Plex] | nice |
| 21:31.01 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its sweet |
| 21:31.03 | Com[Plex] | fuckin a |
| 21:31.09 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you can back up your ramdisk too |
| 21:31.10 | Com[Plex] | ima do that right now |
| 21:31.11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: mtdblock6 |
| 21:31.16 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its a great backup method |
| 21:31.21 | kergoth | especially for oz, with the writable flash |
| 21:31.24 | kergoth | cause you tweak shit |
| 21:31.26 | Com[Plex] | ram disk. MI not sure if I got one of those. |
| 21:31.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:31.36 | Com[Plex] | I got the 32meg ram instead |
| 21:31.37 | kergoth | we need to add 'full backup' to the opie backup app |
| 21:31.41 | Com[Plex] | eyah dude |
| 21:31.44 | kergoth | that uses dd to backup the whole damn thing |
| 21:31.50 | kergoth | thats on my todo |
| 21:31.53 | kergoth | my very long todo :( |
| 21:31.57 | Com[Plex] | hehehehe |
| 21:32.07 | Com[Plex] | well. if I can help with anything.. Ill try my best |
| 21:32.13 | Com[Plex] | let me do this dd thing |
| 21:32.17 | kergoth | gotta push oz 3.1 out the door soon, as a bugfix release, with working BT |
| 21:32.21 | kergoth | cool cooll |
| 21:33.19 | jbardin | hmm |
| 21:33.54 | jbardin | so whats up wiuth this banyo robot deal? |
| 21:34.04 | wParam | dah! it prints a lot of stuff.. is there a way to tell it to set the default console loglevel? |
| 21:34.23 | kergoth | wParam: hardcoded in printk.c |
| 21:34.26 | kergoth | wParam: edit it |
| 21:34.33 | wParam | k |
| 21:34.34 | kergoth | wParam: when debugging i crank it up to even showing KERN_DEBUG to console |
| 21:34.41 | kergoth | wParam: but not normally :) |
| 21:34.46 | Com[Plex] | kergoth. does this bnack up my jjfs too? |
| 21:34.52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: mtdblock4 is jffs2 |
| 21:34.54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ;) |
| 21:34.57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: thats exactly what you're doing |
| 21:35.04 | Com[Plex] | oh.. k |
| 21:35.06 | kergoth | and then you can reflash with it later |
| 21:35.21 | Com[Plex] | I got a colde :< Im slow tonight |
| 21:35.46 | kergoth | ah that sucks |
| 21:36.22 | Com[Plex] | shoudl I be in Console for this command? or is Konsole okay? |
| 21:36.29 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: konsole should b efine |
| 21:36.32 | Com[Plex] | dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/complex-initrd.bin bs=1024 |
| 21:36.36 | kergoth | yup |
| 21:36.49 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 21:36.55 | kergoth | oh, i should add that to the faq! |
| 21:37.01 | Com[Plex] | yeah! |
| 21:37.07 | Com[Plex] | i sent that email btw |
| 21:37.07 | kergoth | "How do I backup OZ? opie-backup is broken!" |
| 21:37.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:37.14 | kergoth | yeah, i saw that. thanks al ot |
| 21:37.15 | Com[Plex] | hope it doesnt sound dumb.. |
| 21:37.18 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 21:37.21 | Com[Plex] | coo |
| 21:37.21 | kergoth | nah, its cool |
| 21:37.45 | tux_mike | this works so well |
| 21:38.00 | kergoth | tux_mike: ? |
| 21:38.04 | wParam | hehe... I should take a picture of this, I've got console mode test with qtopia icons drawn over it |
| 21:38.06 | tux_mike | networked dvds |
| 21:38.09 | kergoth | wParam: hehe |
| 21:40.10 | elron | if I am not mistaken, the best bet is to have SD for expansion memory and keep the CF connector for networking, right ? |
| 21:40.38 | Com[Plex] | woops! |
| 21:40.45 | Com[Plex] | I just built the initrd in /mnt |
| 21:40.50 | Com[Plex] | not /mnt/cf |
| 21:40.51 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 21:40.59 | Com[Plex] | tis okay, control c stopped it |
| 21:41.29 | Com[Plex] | little bit of rm, and command line editing. all set |
| 21:42.20 | badl | elron: use SD for app storage yes |
| 21:42.37 | elron | okay |
| 21:42.57 | elron | now, what amount of SD is reasonable for casual use ? |
| 21:43.00 | Com[Plex] | 14464+0 records in, 14464+0 records out |
| 21:43.09 | Com[Plex] | 64 is awesome |
| 21:43.10 | badl | elron: your wallet defines that |
| 21:43.12 | Com[Plex] | good price too |
| 21:43.24 | Com[Plex] | I dont see the end of it with the hordes of apps I install |
| 21:43.28 | Com[Plex] | and I pack it with other files too. |
| 21:43.39 | elron | let's say my wallet can adapt to reason's choice |
| 21:43.41 | Com[Plex] | but I dont look at porn, so I dont fill it up with that kinda tuff |
| 21:43.48 | badl | heh |
| 21:44.28 | elron | let's say I'd like someday have a native compiler directly on the Z itself |
| 21:44.30 | Com[Plex] | the 128 is fantastic. but keep in mind, you will be keeping this in your z all the time. an formatted to ext2fs, if yuo run a windows pc with an sd reader/writer, yuo wont be able to read the ext2fs sd card |
| 21:44.33 | *** join/#zaurus _Yoda_ (~yoda@ip68-0-68-55.tu.ok.cox.net) |
| 21:44.43 | Com[Plex] | you can do that with 32mb |
| 21:44.44 | badl | elron: gcc already exists |
| 21:44.50 | elron | yes |
| 21:44.51 | elron | but what size ? |
| 21:44.56 | badl | dunno |
| 21:45.00 | elron | my gcc install on my pc is 23Mb :) |
| 21:45.42 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth/ |
| 21:45.52 | Com[Plex] | where can I try out this rom? |
| 21:46.06 | Com[Plex] | gc3.2 compiled one. |
| 21:46.25 | badl | ibot oz |
| 21:46.25 | | oz is probably see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 21:46.36 | badl | ibot oz feed |
| 21:46.36 | | [oz feed] http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 21:46.49 | badl | somewhere there |
| 21:47.03 | Com[Plex] | UI think he has another one somewhere. |
| 21:47.47 | Com[Plex] | shit, this is such a gfreat backup method, I think IM gonna start doing it every couple days! lol |
| 21:47.54 | badl | Com[Plex]: http://www.openzaurus.org/offical/armv41-gcc3.2/ |
| 21:48.00 | *** join/#zaurus treke|laptop (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-064-132.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 21:48.07 | Com[Plex] | The page cannot be found |
| 21:48.11 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 21:48.53 | badl | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/armv4l-gcc3.2/ |
| 21:48.58 | elron | hmm |
| 21:49.02 | badl | i just can't spell official ;) |
| 21:49.20 | elron | I can see the rom can only be performed using CF memory cards |
| 21:49.22 | elron | is that true ? |
| 21:49.44 | kergoth | elron: read the faq. |
| 21:50.08 | badalex|hw | kergoth: so is that build faster or something then oz3 with gcc2.95? |
| 21:50.18 | kergoth | badalex|hw: build isnt faster |
| 21:50.20 | kergoth | badalex|hw: apps are faster |
| 21:50.24 | badalex|hw | oh |
| 21:50.25 | badalex|hw | cool |
| 21:50.26 | kergoth | badalex|hw: load time is cut |
| 21:50.30 | kergoth | it just feels quicker |
| 21:50.33 | kergoth | more responsive |
| 21:50.41 | treke|laptop | kergoth: what did you change? |
| 21:50.49 | kergoth | treke|laptop: gcc3.2 built image |
| 21:50.51 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 21:50.57 | kergoth | treke|laptop: with full optimizations. lose BC but its quick... |
| 21:51.47 | elron | http://MyZaurus.com/faq.asp is not as restrictive as newbreedsoftware.../system.php3 |
| 21:51.47 | kergoth | but you know that ;) |
| 21:51.47 | elron | on the subject |
| 21:51.47 | kergoth | elron: no. |
| 21:51.47 | kergoth | elron: you're asking about OZ |
| 21:51.48 | kergoth | elron: read the OZ faq. |
| 21:51.48 | kergoth | elron: openzaurus.org |
| 21:51.54 | kergoth | treke|laptop: well, you'd lose your tkc apps ;) |
| 21:52.04 | elron | I am not asking about any version in particular (which I do not know anyway) |
| 21:52.05 | Com[Plex] | kerg, Im about to flash. hehe. anythign I should know about? |
| 21:52.10 | treke|laptop | kergoth: your point being? I never use any of them :) |
| 21:52.17 | badl | Com[Plex]: corss your fingers ;) |
| 21:52.19 | Com[Plex] | lol!!!!! |
| 21:52.30 | kergoth | treke|laptop: hah |
| 21:52.36 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yeah, it'll dump you to console on first boot |
| 21:52.39 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: just type exit |
| 21:52.41 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: then it works fine |
| 21:52.43 | Com[Plex] | okay :> |
| 21:52.44 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hehe |
| 21:52.44 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 21:52.50 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: the e2fsprogs build has an alignment problem |
| 21:52.54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: so fsck bus errors |
| 21:53.00 | *** join/#zaurus soverton100 (~dizaster@64.49.60.188) |
| 21:53.02 | Com[Plex] | ahh. sexy:> |
| 21:53.02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: and the startup scripts think you should fix your failed filesystem |
| 21:53.04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hehe |
| 21:53.12 | Com[Plex] | they do? aww shucks. |
| 21:53.20 | kergoth | ill fix it |
| 21:53.22 | treke|laptop | now I'd probably miss my games ;) |
| 21:53.24 | kergoth | for now just exit |
| 21:53.26 | kergoth | treke|laptop: yes |
| 21:53.32 | kergoth | treke|laptop: i'll really miss neo's games and puzz-le |
| 21:53.39 | Com[Plex] | dont worry |
| 21:53.42 | kergoth | treke|laptop: we need to convince neo into building gcc3.2 ipks |
| 21:53.43 | Com[Plex] | he will recompil, right?? |
| 21:53.45 | kergoth | treke|laptop: :) |
| 21:53.51 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 21:54.05 | elron | I expect I could use any camera cf card for the purpose of upgrading roms - right ? |
| 21:54.12 | kergoth | shit, he can use a local oz buildroot to automate his builds |
| 21:54.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:54.19 | Com[Plex] | as long as its 32mb |
| 21:54.21 | kergoth | elron: what size? 16mb or higher works fine |
| 21:54.24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: 16 works ;) |
| 21:54.27 | Com[Plex] | er uh yah |
| 21:54.30 | kergoth | our faq was wrong at first |
| 21:54.31 | treke|laptop | kergoth: get him a z for it and i bet he would :) |
| 21:54.43 | kergoth | treke|laptop: neo? he has a Z, but only one :) |
| 21:54.52 | kergoth | treke|laptop: yeah, if we got him another he'd play with oz |
| 21:54.55 | elron | ok |
| 21:55.13 | Com[Plex] | hmm... |
| 21:55.24 | Com[Plex] | I really will miss my eongames. |
| 21:55.28 | kergoth | me too |
| 21:55.29 | Com[Plex] | I bought most of em. |
| 21:55.33 | kergoth | i bought 2 |
| 21:55.35 | Com[Plex] | have yuo /tried/ them? |
| 21:55.38 | kergoth | and am planning on buying 2-3 more |
| 21:55.40 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:55.43 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 21:55.44 | Com[Plex] | no, I mean |
| 21:55.49 | kergoth | oh, on this rom? |
| 21:55.50 | Com[Plex] | tried them on the gc3.2 |
| 21:55.51 | kergoth | no |
| 21:55.52 | Com[Plex] | yesh |
| 21:55.54 | treke|laptop | Com[Plex]: There is no chance they would run on gcc 3.2 :) |
| 21:55.54 | Com[Plex] | Ill try em |
| 21:55.56 | kergoth | theory says they'll break horribly |
| 21:55.58 | Com[Plex] | oh ?:< |
| 21:56.00 | kergoth | completely different ABI afaik |
| 21:56.08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: feel free to try |
| 21:56.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:56.15 | Com[Plex] | k. almost done flashing |
| 21:56.32 | kergoth | cool, i'd like another opinion on the performance |
| 21:56.38 | treke|laptop | there's a chance they will work, just like there is a chance pigs will start flying out of my butt |
| 21:56.39 | Com[Plex] | man, the z sdhould beep when its done flashing. lol |
| 21:56.46 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hey, OZ beeps in console now |
| 21:56.46 | Com[Plex] | k. |
| 21:56.48 | badl | heh |
| 21:56.52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: like when you backspace with nothing to erase |
| 21:56.52 | Com[Plex] | cool! |
| 21:56.54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it beeps! |
| 21:56.56 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:57.00 | Com[Plex] | nice! |
| 21:57.04 | Com[Plex] | Ill have to try it. |
| 21:57.04 | badl | woa |
| 21:57.08 | br33zy | moo |
| 21:57.12 | kergoth | hey br33zy |
| 21:57.16 | kergoth | treke|laptop: true that ;) |
| 21:57.18 | br33zy | hey kergoth |
| 21:57.25 | treke|laptop | uh oh |
| 21:57.28 | treke|laptop | I feel something |
| 21:57.30 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:57.33 | kergoth | saw that coming |
| 21:57.44 | treke|laptop | ah nevermind. it's just joe pesci |
| 21:57.58 | Com[Plex] | I especially like the alarm clock for the z. - i used to have a sharp mobilon triopad, and even tho it only ran ce 2.0, I loved it. I used to use it to wake me up from my naps at the high school |
| 21:58.08 | Com[Plex] | the alarm clock on the z has the exact same tone. |
| 21:58.16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:58.20 | Com[Plex] | I was psyched when I first got to hear that old sound again. |
| 21:58.23 | kergoth | ccvs head opie has recurring todos? do they actually work? |
| 21:58.29 | kergoth | treke|laptop: you know if todo recurrance works yet? |
| 21:58.35 | treke|laptop | kergoth: lemme check. dont think so |
| 21:58.48 | kergoth | treke|laptop: i'm *really* looking forward to it |
| 21:58.51 | kergoth | treke|laptop: for my bills! |
| 21:58.56 | kergoth | *beep* pay your damn electric bill |
| 21:58.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:59.00 | Com[Plex] | booting |
| 21:59.42 | kergoth | fuck, my speaker fell on the floor |
| 21:59.44 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:59.49 | Com[Plex] | control D will exit from this shell and continue booting |
| 21:59.56 | Com[Plex] | this is where I type exit? |
| 22:00.05 | *** join/#zaurus Bovine (~moo@dsl-217-155-87-1.zen.co.uk) |
| 22:00.06 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yeah, or use calander key + D |
| 22:00.15 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: calander key kinda/sorta acts as control in console |
| 22:00.31 | Com[Plex] | roger that :> I caught that earlier. |
| 22:00.41 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 22:00.48 | wParam | hey kergoth, when you fiddle with the kernel, do you do anything special to keep track of all the random changes you make? |
| 22:01.02 | kergoth | wParam: I use a bitkeeper repos or cvs repos |
| 22:01.07 | kergoth | wParam: i'm a fan of source repositories |
| 22:01.15 | kergoth | wParam: but you can use a really cool patching system, here i've got a url |
| 22:01.19 | kergoth | wParam: its -very- sweet |
| 22:01.23 | Com[Plex] | man, why would they make a new gcc if it caused all apps made with it to be uncompatable with previous versions/ |
| 22:01.25 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 22:01.28 | treke|laptop | kergoth: nope. doesnt seem to do anything |
| 22:01.30 | Com[Plex] | sounds like something apple would do |
| 22:01.44 | elron | Com[Plex]: because the c++ abi gcc ued before was completely crapped |
| 22:01.45 | treke|laptop | Com[Plex]: because gcc needed fixing? |
| 22:01.45 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: because its correct now. |
| 22:01.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:01.55 | elron | and they wanted to do the Good Thing by moving to industry standards |
| 22:02.07 | Com[Plex] | :. |
| 22:02.21 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:02.23 | Com[Plex] | hey kerg |
| 22:02.35 | Com[Plex] | where is the aqpkg? |
| 22:02.40 | Com[Plex] | icon |
| 22:02.46 | Com[Plex] | "where is the aqpkg icon?" |
| 22:02.53 | br33zy | on the zz server |
| 22:02.55 | br33zy | compressed in the ipk |
| 22:02.59 | br33zy | .tar.gz |
| 22:03.04 | *** join/#zaurus Hellaenergy (~chatzilla@24.123.125.244) |
| 22:03.08 | br33zy | inside the opt/QtPalmtop folder |
| 22:03.11 | br33zy | inside the pic |
| 22:03.13 | br33zy | folder |
| 22:03.18 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:03.20 | br33zy | inside the aqpkg folder |
| 22:03.22 | br33zy | and there it is |
| 22:03.25 | br33zy | i think |
| 22:03.29 | *** part/#zaurus Hellaenergy (~chatzilla@24.123.125.244) |
| 22:03.30 | Com[Plex] | not on this one |
| 22:03.39 | kergoth | wParam: http://www.zipworld.com.au/~akpm/linux/patches/patch-scripts-0.7/ <-check that out. read the doc |
| 22:03.45 | kergoth | wParam: it'll help you track your changes |
| 22:03.53 | kergoth | wParam: and itll do patch generation for you |
| 22:04.01 | Com[Plex] | kergoth. you right, it Does seem quicker.. |
| 22:04.03 | Com[Plex] | weird. |
| 22:04.09 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: oh, aqpkg doesnt compile with 3.2 yet |
| 22:04.11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hehe |
| 22:04.22 | Com[Plex] | how soonbefore op2 would be compiled for it? |
| 22:04.28 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: the default feed is still stable, you'll want to point it to the gcc3.2 feed |
| 22:04.29 | Com[Plex] | Id like to see hwo that runs on here. |
| 22:04.45 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you can grab oipkg from the gcc3.2 feed |
| 22:04.47 | wParam | neato |
| 22:04.49 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:05.04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: http://openzaurus.org/official/armv4l-gcc3.2/feed/ .. add to ipkg.conf |
| 22:05.10 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: remove the existing entry |
| 22:05.18 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:05.39 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: just wait till i get prelink working on that image |
| 22:05.44 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: app load time will get cut down even more |
| 22:05.54 | Com[Plex] | nice |
| 22:06.13 | kergoth | I'm about to work on it some more, it didnt compile for arm due to a slight quirk, i already emailed the maintainer but i'm going to patch it for now |
| 22:07.34 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: for people willing to ditch the commercial route and go open source completely, this rom will be a nice opton |
| 22:07.43 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: future OZ releases will be multiple initrds, normal and gcc3.2 |
| 22:07.58 | badl | and the work load increase ;) |
| 22:08.23 | kergoth | naw, buildroot does it all |
| 22:08.27 | kergoth | i just have two buildroots |
| 22:08.29 | Com[Plex] | are yuo the only opeson working on all of this?? |
| 22:08.34 | kergoth | one for 3.2, one normal |
| 22:08.36 | Com[Plex] | opeson = person |
| 22:08.51 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: onyx and themastermind1 help with bug fixes here and there, but i'm still doing almost all, yeah |
| 22:08.57 | Com[Plex] | wow. |
| 22:08.59 | Com[Plex] | brave man. |
| 22:09.08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: few other people contribute patches here and there |
| 22:09.17 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: noda does the php stuff for openzaurus.org |
| 22:09.31 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: cerezu and tik and a couple others have volunteers to work with me on the kernel port |
| 22:09.51 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: prpplague maintains the tinyx packages, dajoker has assisted him in testing those, and scanline maintains the picogui packages |
| 22:10.02 | Com[Plex] | so i someon compiles an app for 3.2 will it run on the old rom? |
| 22:10.15 | DaWorm | and the rest of us OZ users bug kergoth on anything under the sun |
| 22:10.24 | Com[Plex] | yeah.! klol |
| 22:10.30 | treke|laptop | Com[Plex]: nope |
| 22:10.43 | Com[Plex] | I dont know hwo he does it. when I get working, I need to minimise irc and never look back |
| 22:10.55 | Com[Plex] | puzzle compiles fine under 3.2 btw |
| 22:10.55 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: scripts, baby |
| 22:10.55 | treke|laptop | Com[Plex]: 3.2 apps will work on 3.2. 2.95 apps work on 2.95 |
| 22:11.06 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: half my shit is building and doing stuff in the background while i irc |
| 22:11.14 | Com[Plex] | heh |
| 22:11.15 | wParam | speaking of patches, I've got the output of that diff command you were talking about, if you're interested |
| 22:11.16 | kergoth | i code and hack for a while, then just fire i tup |
| 22:11.23 | treke|laptop | kergoth is really a very small shell script |
| 22:11.24 | kergoth | wParam: oh cool, kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 22:11.31 | wParam | k |
| 22:11.33 | kergoth | treke|laptop: actually i'm bloatware now |
| 22:11.37 | kergoth | treke|laptop: now i'm a very large shell script |
| 22:11.49 | Com[Plex] | what do you use for a compiler machine? cpu? memory? |
| 22:11.49 | *** join/#zaurus edgar (~bob@66.92.74.197) |
| 22:11.55 | kergoth | scanline: lol |
| 22:12.02 | treke|laptop | put a little lisp into it |
| 22:12.07 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: a fairly slow one. 1ghz athlon. |
| 22:12.12 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i need to buy a new box shortly |
| 22:12.21 | DaWorm | a tablet pc |
| 22:12.23 | DaWorm | :D |
| 22:12.31 | treke|laptop | 1ghz is fairly slow now? urgh |
| 22:12.34 | kergoth | treke|laptop: lol |
| 22:12.37 | kergoth | sad eh? |
| 22:12.42 | badl | i'm still on 466mhz ;) |
| 22:12.43 | kergoth | I just need a new box |
| 22:12.47 | Com[Plex] | xp 1700s are only 52$ now. |
| 22:12.47 | kergoth | this is getting on in the years |
| 22:12.50 | treke|laptop | they used to be fast :) |
| 22:12.52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yeah |
| 22:12.56 | Com[Plex] | 4OverClock/12WaterCool Project: (1-AMD XP, 1666MHz, 256KB (30% Load)) From: 1667mhz (XP2000+) CPU: (105F) MB: (107F) Core: (1.70v) IO: (3.23v) Uptime:(1day 1hr 38mins 6secs) |
| 22:12.57 | edgar | i'm having a bear of time compiling a decent kernel with the usbdnet patch, does anyone know if the redhat 7.3 2.4.18 binary kernel has this patch applied? |
| 22:13.04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i'm going to just fork over a couple hundred on a new box, then turn this one into a fileserver |
| 22:13.08 | Com[Plex] | im not overclocking at the moment tho. |
| 22:13.09 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:13.10 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: since i ahve this 3 channel raid controller on here |
| 22:13.14 | Com[Plex] | nice |
| 22:13.30 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you can buy a 5 pack of 46 gig elite seagate 5400 rpm drives for $120 |
| 22:13.35 | edgar | it seemed like it did when i tried to build the redhat kernel from source, i tried to apply the patch and it complained that it was already installed |
| 22:13.36 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: they're full height 5 1/4!! |
| 22:13.38 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: lol |
| 22:13.42 | Com[Plex] | yikes! |
| 22:13.45 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: but they have a shitlaod of platters, perfect for raid |
| 22:13.51 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it'd be solid |
| 22:13.56 | DaWorm | i'm still using a PII laptop |
| 22:13.57 | scanline | kergoth: wow |
| 22:13.59 | DaWorm | :( |
| 22:14.00 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 22:14.02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it'll sound like a jet engine |
| 22:14.04 | Com[Plex] | loud and hot. |
| 22:14.05 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:14.10 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:14.10 | Com[Plex] | exactyly. hahah |
| 22:14.27 | kergoth | itd make a solid server though |
| 22:14.33 | kergoth | shit, 4 drives, use the 5th for parity |
| 22:14.35 | kergoth | raid 5 |
| 22:14.37 | Com[Plex] | yeah, solid is right. |
| 22:14.39 | kergoth | with the caching.. |
| 22:14.46 | kergoth | yeah, thats what i'll do with this box |
| 22:14.52 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 22:15.08 | Com[Plex] | kergoth |
| 22:15.16 | kergoth | Com[Plex] |
| 22:15.40 | Com[Plex] | Im looking at the todo thing, and I clicked the wrench, and I see Two "todo lists plugin" and two Datebook Plugin |
| 22:15.48 | Com[Plex] | both are cehcked |
| 22:15.59 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: lol, i saw that too |
| 22:16.03 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: today bug i'm sure |
| 22:16.05 | Com[Plex] | oh :> |
| 22:16.08 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:16.10 | kergoth | i'll report it |
| 22:16.16 | Com[Plex] | first time ive looked that far into it |
| 22:16.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:16.34 | kergoth | i like this gcc3.2 rom though |
| 22:16.41 | kergoth | it feels responsive and solid |
| 22:16.56 | treke|laptop | any size difference? |
| 22:17.03 | kergoth | treke|laptop: yes, unfortunately |
| 22:17.11 | Com[Plex] | oh its Bigger? |
| 22:17.12 | treke|laptop | how much? |
| 22:17.13 | kergoth | treke|laptop: the 10mb base rom grew to 12 with gcc3.2 and full optimizations |
| 22:17.19 | treke|laptop | hmm. not that bad |
| 22:17.19 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 22:17.24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: take a look, only 2mb free instead of 4 |
| 22:17.27 | kergoth | but its tolerable imho |
| 22:17.33 | kergoth | particularly since most people have cards |
| 22:17.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:17.41 | kergoth | treke|laptop: bastard |
| 22:17.44 | treke|laptop | kergoth: :p |
| 22:18.13 | kergoth | treke|laptop: 5600 .. 64mb! |
| 22:18.15 | kergoth | ;) |
| 22:18.16 | elron | use -Os instead of -O2 or -O3 when optimizing |
| 22:18.18 | kergoth | i need one of those |
| 22:18.20 | kergoth | elron: no. |
| 22:18.21 | treke|laptop | kergoth: and 32MB ram :) |
| 22:18.30 | kergoth | elron: the whole reason we go -O2 is the performance increase |
| 22:18.34 | elron | well |
| 22:18.34 | kergoth | treke|laptop: yeah, unfortunately |
| 22:18.40 | kergoth | treke|laptop: 64/64 wouldve been sweet |
| 22:18.42 | elron | -Os brings performances increases too |
| 22:18.48 | treke|laptop | thats actually the one thing that might keep me in ipaq land for a while |
| 22:18.50 | kergoth | elron: i'll do some perf testing |
| 22:18.58 | kergoth | elron: you know of any good tools for measure app performance for that? |
| 22:19.07 | kergoth | elron: particularly in the ways optimization would affect them? |
| 22:19.12 | kergoth | i need numbers |
| 22:19.22 | elron | kergoth: gprof |
| 22:19.40 | wParam | grr... there it goes printing "check backup battery !" again |
| 22:19.43 | kergoth | elron: i'll look at it. i want benchmarks up on openzaurus.org comparing stock to gcc3.2 roms |
| 22:19.50 | *** join/#zaurus Mantus (~not@adsl-67-36-57-49.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) |
| 22:20.14 | kergoth | wParam: well, check your backup battery! |
| 22:20.14 | Com[Plex] | wow kerg. this does seem Really fast. |
| 22:20.14 | treke|laptop | I'm actually really surprised that sharp is going to be using flash for read write storage |
| 22:20.16 | kergoth | wParam: hehe |
| 22:20.22 | scanline | "PicoGUI.responses.HandleError: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that. Access Denied reading handle" |
| 22:20.31 | kergoth | treke|laptop: yeah .. course its nand flash, cheap |
| 22:20.35 | kergoth | treke|laptop: but even so |
| 22:20.57 | kergoth | treke|laptop: it has a 8mb nor flash as well, which holds the kernel, bootloader, diags |
| 22:21.00 | treke|laptop | kergoth: the whole limit to how many times it can be written two seems like it |
| 22:21.19 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 22:21.27 | treke|laptop | would be a problem for them |
| 22:21.29 | elron | ok, let's say I'm dropping at london waterloo this saturday - where should I go to for a Z ? |
| 22:21.48 | kergoth | elron: thought of checking sharp's uk site or calling up sharp sales? |
| 22:23.56 | Com[Plex] | who wrot advanced file manager? |
| 22:24.01 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ljp |
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| 22:24.23 | elron | good idea |
| 22:24.32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: that reminds me, i'm going to do a startmenu applet for "Run..." |
| 22:24.37 | Com[Plex] | anyone else notice how hard it is to select something in the action menu? the menu keeps snapping back to the previos one |
| 22:24.39 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: liek advancedfm's run command |
| 22:24.43 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yeah, that bug is annoying |
| 22:24.44 | Com[Plex] | Ohh. nice one :> |
| 22:24.50 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: that bug isnt just advancedfm, its global in menu handling.. |
| 22:24.52 | Com[Plex] | run run run :> |
| 22:24.53 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: unfortunately |
| 22:24.55 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 22:25.08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: he was looking into it the other day |
| 22:26.34 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. I had a file in here called .opiestorage.cf in the root of my cf card. - I dont remember that being there |
| 22:26.42 | Com[Plex] | should I delete that before I re flash? |
| 22:26.58 | kergoth | up to you |
| 22:27.00 | kergoth | its mediummount |
| 22:27.06 | kergoth | stores your preferences on medium scanning for docs tab |
| 22:27.13 | Com[Plex] | will it interfere? |
| 22:27.17 | Com[Plex] | I mean, with a flash |
| 22:27.22 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:27.25 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:27.25 | kergoth | you can have other files on the cf |
| 22:27.31 | kergoth | doesnt hurt anything |
| 22:27.39 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:27.52 | Com[Plex] | Im going back to my backup. gonna se if I notice a difference in speed |
| 22:27.59 | kergoth | good idea |
| 22:28.42 | Com[Plex] | chugg chug chug |
| 22:28.51 | Com[Plex] | oh man, I need to go to bed. lol |
| 22:28.58 | Com[Plex] | not till this is botoed up tho. |
| 22:28.59 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:29.20 | Com[Plex] | my girlfriend is dumb. |
| 22:29.32 | Com[Plex] | in fact. all my girlfriends aer dumb. |
| 22:29.46 | Com[Plex] | girls are dumb. for the most part. |
| 22:29.48 | kergoth | lol |
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| 22:30.00 | kergoth | hey fusion94 |
| 22:30.06 | Com[Plex] | this oen seems to think that I would rather be with someone else than her. |
| 22:30.18 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i hate that |
| 22:30.24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: women like that you have to reassure left and right |
| 22:30.27 | Com[Plex] | Im like "what makes you think I wanna put up with SOMEONE ELSES bullshit? |
| 22:30.29 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: fucking pisses me off |
| 22:30.31 | Com[Plex] | ahh, I dont bother. |
| 22:30.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:30.43 | Com[Plex] | I dont care, she wants to be jealous, she can be jealous at her house. |
| 22:30.47 | kergoth | i dont like weak women like that |
| 22:30.54 | kergoth | not worth it |
| 22:30.55 | Com[Plex] | grumble. |
| 22:31.02 | Com[Plex] | my problem is that I jsut wanna be alone. |
| 22:31.13 | Com[Plex] | I mean, once in a while. sex is great. like,. on a monday |
| 22:31.28 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:31.32 | Com[Plex] | but then, I dont want her to spend the night, I dont want her to come over tomorrow. etc etc |
| 22:31.36 | Com[Plex] | jsut leave me alone |
| 22:31.37 | badalex|hw | does any one have advancedfm for the sharp rom? |
| 22:31.39 | Com[Plex] | WHoa. |
| 22:31.40 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:31.43 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ? |
| 22:31.47 | Com[Plex] | my fucking lights are flashing |
| 22:31.55 | Com[Plex] | oh no |
| 22:31.57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: err, thats odd |
| 22:31.59 | Com[Plex] | what did I screw up |
| 22:32.07 | kergoth | you renamed your backup image to initrd.bin right? |
| 22:32.10 | kergoth | dunno |
| 22:32.12 | kergoth | odd |
| 22:32.15 | Com[Plex] | yeah, I think so... lol |
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| 22:32.37 | Com[Plex] | checkint with the reader right now |
| 22:32.45 | Com[Plex] | yes I did |
| 22:32.49 | treke|laptop | there we go. back in 2.4 land |
| 22:33.00 | Com[Plex] | hmm... |
| 22:33.03 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: and this is a known good card for flashing purposes, right? |
| 22:33.09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:33.16 | Com[Plex] | yes. I use it all the time |
| 22:33.26 | Com[Plex] | its booting from a hard reset by the look of it. |
| 22:33.32 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:33.34 | kergoth | weird |
| 22:33.37 | Com[Plex] | it loks okay? |
| 22:33.49 | kergoth | is it booting your backed up image? |
| 22:33.53 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 22:33.56 | kergoth | whew |
| 22:33.57 | Com[Plex] | im nervous.. |
| 22:33.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:34.31 | Com[Plex] | hey, one thing about those java apps. when they exit, they exit with a segfault. |
| 22:34.35 | kergoth | weird |
| 22:34.41 | Com[Plex] | yeah.. |
| 22:34.52 | Com[Plex] | WOO! |
| 22:34.55 | Com[Plex] | it looks okay! |
| 22:35.00 | kergoth | okay whew |
| 22:35.11 | kergoth | dont do that again until i do some testing, okay? |
| 22:35.12 | *** part/#zaurus edgar (~bob@66.92.74.197) |
| 22:35.15 | Com[Plex] | hahaha |
| 22:35.18 | kergoth | use tar to tar it up instead of dd |
| 22:35.18 | Com[Plex] | okay :> |
| 22:35.25 | kergoth | i've done it a couple times without incident |
| 22:35.31 | kergoth | but the flashing lights thing is cause for concern |
| 22:35.33 | kergoth | so i'll do further tests |
| 22:35.36 | Com[Plex] | uh.. how do I do it with tar? |
| 22:35.44 | kergoth | tar -czvf /mnt/cf/backup.tar.gz / |
| 22:35.45 | Com[Plex] | what what Is dd anyway? |
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| 22:35.49 | kergoth | hey Snipah |
| 22:35.55 | Snipah | hi kergoth |
| 22:36.54 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, wont taring / grab /mnt/cf as well? |
| 22:37.05 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yeah, you'd want to unmount your cards and ramdisk |
| 22:37.08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: good call there :) |
| 22:37.13 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: check this |
| 22:37.23 | Com[Plex] | uh.. then how would I write to /mnt/cf? |
| 22:37.31 | elron | tss tss |
| 22:37.47 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: tar -czv --exclude /mnt/cf --exclude /mnt/card --exclude /dev --exclude /proc --exclude /mnt/ram -f /mnt/cf/backup.tar.gz / |
| 22:37.49 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ;) |
| 22:37.55 | elron | simpler: |
| 22:37.56 | elron | tar -l |
| 22:38.08 | kergoth | elron: hold to one drive? |
| 22:38.09 | elron | tar -czvlf /mnt/cf/backup.tar.gz / |
| 22:38.33 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 22:38.38 | elron | cpzvlf even |
| 22:38.46 | elron | "p" to preserve permissions and access dates |
| 22:39.10 | kergoth | i wonder if busybox tar support p and l |
| 22:39.22 | Com[Plex] | ugh. my notes keep getting bigger and bigger. |
| 22:39.32 | elron | of this I do not know since I havent a Z to test :-( |
| 22:39.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:39.51 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:40.30 | soverton100 | Can anyone tell me how much I'll have to spend to get a Zaurus that I can develop for (as a hobby)? |
| 22:40.57 | Snipah | ebay? |
| 22:40.59 | elron | bare: $400, with CF/SD: up to $500 to have a decent environment, AFAIK |
| 22:41.05 | Snipah | $200 |
| 22:41.18 | elron | that is nice |
| 22:41.33 | badalex|hw | i got mine for $300 :) |
| 22:41.42 | badalex|hw | retail, not from ebay |
| 22:42.24 | kergoth | oh sweet |
| 22:42.28 | badalex|hw | lol, would of been $400 elron if i hadent found such a good deal.... |
| 22:42.32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: Run... startmenu applet works |
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| 22:42.33 | Com[Plex] | who wrote the little "note" applet? |
| 22:42.38 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i'll add a browse function |
| 22:42.38 | Com[Plex] | nice! |
| 22:42.45 | Com[Plex] | awesome :> |
| 22:42.52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its tiny, took like a minute to do |
| 22:42.54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hehe |
| 22:42.57 | kergoth | not much to it |
| 22:42.59 | kergoth | but its handy |
| 22:43.12 | Com[Plex] | I installed the little ntoe applet, but when I open it, the buttons are transparent. <missing> |
| 22:43.14 | treke|laptop | ljp did |
| 22:43.31 | soverton100 | aside from the standard Zaurus, what do you need for development? |
| 22:43.33 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: open bug reports for stuff you find |
| 22:43.41 | treke|laptop | unless you dont like it, then kergoth wrote it |
| 22:43.45 | elron | soverton100: access to the internet to download the tools :) |
| 22:43.46 | kergoth | soverton100: crosscompiler for your desktop is handy |
| 22:43.59 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 22:44.05 | Com[Plex] | where do I go to open bug reports? |
| 22:44.10 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 22:44.10 | | methinks opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 22:44.15 | Com[Plex] | I cant evnter any notes into it |
| 22:44.22 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: OZ specific bugs on SF. opie bugs on the url above |
| 22:44.25 | Com[Plex] | guess Ill hafta reove it |
| 22:44.36 | Com[Plex] | uh.. heh. whats the difference? |
| 22:44.51 | kergoth | um, your card failing to mount is a OZ issue |
| 22:44.56 | kergoth | gui app problems are opie |
| 22:45.05 | Com[Plex] | aaugh. I just loogied on my hand |
| 22:45.12 | soverton100 | does the Z come with enough memory, cables, etc to do development if you download the tools (what?> |
| 22:45.13 | Com[Plex] | cough cough HACK |
| 22:45.14 | kergoth | any of the gui stuff is opie, the base system is oz |
| 22:45.17 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:45.22 | kergoth | soverton100: you can develop for it on your desktop |
| 22:45.27 | kergoth | soverton100: its easier than doing dev *on* the Z |
| 22:45.52 | elron | soverton100: AFAIK you're more confortable with a CF or SD expansion RAM card |
| 22:46.09 | kergoth | soverton100: though yes, you can |
| 22:46.36 | soverton100 | what development tools? gcc? |
| 22:46.46 | elron | soverton100: yes |
| 22:47.22 | soverton100 | the widget set is Qt, right? |
| 22:47.45 | elron | soverton100: you can also use X with an X server |
| 22:47.55 | elron | or the framebuffer, directly |
| 22:47.58 | soverton100 | heheeh! |
| 22:48.36 | soverton100 | you can run X apps over network like a regular workstation? |
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| 22:49.08 | elron | yes, although that is expensive and requires better-than-serial network connectivity |
| 22:49.09 | Com[Plex] | now my application buttons arent grabbing. |
| 22:49.23 | elron | soverton100: better use vnc for that instead |
| 22:49.33 | Com[Plex] | home isnt switching throguh the menues, clanedars not starting, but I can turn off the light. |
| 22:50.07 | soverton100 | is there a Z simulator? for development purposes |
| 22:52.39 | kergoth | soverton100: no, but you can build your app for x86 and test in qvfb (qt virtual framebuffer) |
| 22:52.46 | kergoth | soverton100: or use it on a desktop framebuffer |
| 22:52.51 | kergoth | (non-virtual) |
| 22:54.51 | kergoth | wParam: hey thanks for the patch, i'll likely add it or something like it to the spiffy oz debug kernels |
| 22:54.51 | wParam | cool, no problem :) |
| 22:54.51 | soverton100 | that's it. I'm getting one if I have to sell a kidney! |
| 22:54.51 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:54.53 | Com[Plex] | Im giong to bed |
| 22:54.55 | Com[Plex] | gnite |
| 22:54.56 | kergoth | night Com[Plex] |
| 22:55.05 | soverton100 | not /my/ kidney of course... |
| 22:55.06 | Com[Plex] | thanks for your help |
| 22:55.08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: oh, hows the performance back on the stock rom again? |
| 22:55.17 | elron | soverton100: where are you going to get one from ? |
| 22:55.28 | Com[Plex] | oh uh.. it seems okay.. hard to tell, because ive got a lot of crap on here. |
| 22:55.34 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ah, hehe. okay night |
| 22:55.44 | soverton100 | dunno, I guess I'll shop around for the best price. |
| 22:56.09 | Com[Plex] | I still think that the 3.2 is quicker. but I got no good way to benchmark it.. |
| 22:56.15 | Com[Plex] | anyway, tomorrow is another day |
| 22:56.41 | rerun | look at circuitcitys and best buys ... they are taking them ot of stock |
| 22:57.06 | rerun | i got my floor model for two hundred |
| 22:57.25 | rerun | it kicks on oz3 |
| 22:57.50 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i dont have numbers either. i think 3.2 'feels' faster |
| 22:57.52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hehe |
| 22:57.54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: night |
| 22:57.59 | soverton100 | rerun: that's cheap! I'll call 'em tomorrow. |
| 22:58.11 | rerun | 3.2? |
| 22:58.23 | kergoth | rerun: a testing oz rom built with gcc3.2 |
| 22:58.26 | kergoth | rerun: with full optimizations |
| 22:58.36 | kergoth | rerun: you lose binary compatibility, no apps on zsi work unless you recompile them |
| 22:58.40 | kergoth | rerun: but its -quick- |
| 22:58.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:58.53 | rerun | ah... |
| 22:59.27 | soverton100 | thanks, guys. I'm off to bed. |
| 22:59.29 | *** part/#zaurus soverton100 (~dizaster@64.49.60.188) |
| 22:59.39 | rerun | i'm a big time tweaker... always looking for speed... even if it means taking days to reinstall my apps! |
| 22:59.40 | wParam | ok, that's it for me. 1 am is late enough. 'night all |
| 22:59.54 | kergoth | rerun: hehe. if all you'll use is open source apps,. this rom may be for you ;) |
| 22:59.56 | kergoth | night wParam |
| 23:01.10 | rerun | mostly... i do like some of the tkc apps tho... and i like opera better than konq/e |
| 23:01.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:01.23 | treke|laptop | kergoth: something came to mind about qt3 |
| 23:01.27 | kergoth | treke|laptop: whats that |
| 23:01.40 | treke|laptop | oh wait this is gcc2.3 not qt3 |
| 23:01.41 | treke|laptop | nm |
| 23:01.43 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:01.45 | kergoth | i ahvent done qt3 yet |
| 23:01.54 | kergoth | cause opie needs a bit of build tweaking for the qt3 build yet |
| 23:02.00 | treke|laptop | I was just thinking that tkc and eon probably cant support qt3 |
| 23:02.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:02.09 | elron | hmm... if I can read well, the ROM is transformed into a r/w filesystem with OZ - isn't that "dangerous" in the sense that flash rom should not be written to too often ? |
| 23:02.11 | kergoth | gcc3.2 w/ qt2 i'd think they could |
| 23:02.15 | treke|laptop | since they're commercial licenses may only cover qt2 |
| 23:02.22 | treke|laptop | bleh. their |
| 23:02.27 | kergoth | elron: we're using a file system with wear leveling, its not a big concern |
| 23:02.31 | kergoth | treke|laptop: ah yeah, good call there |
| 23:02.42 | rerun | i hope that new small-screen opera browser comes out soon... anyone know when it comes out? |
| 23:02.55 | kergoth | opera 6 embedded? |
| 23:03.07 | kergoth | treke|laptop: I'll add compatibility packages |
| 23:03.07 | rerun | yeah... i think |
| 23:03.15 | Snipah | gnite all |
| 23:03.17 | kergoth | treke|laptop: a ver of libqpe and libqt built with gcc2 |
| 23:03.20 | kergoth | night Snipah |
| 23:03.58 | treke|laptop | and the debian switch |
| 23:04.02 | kergoth | treke|laptop: the qt link would be easy, but how to handle the libqpe link.. either i need to change the libqpe version # on the 3.2 version, or i need to play LD_LIBRARY_PATH games |
| 23:04.19 | kergoth | hah, could be as simple as |
| 23:04.20 | elron | do the legacy Zaurus apps work fine when reinstalled on OZ ? |
| 23:04.21 | kergoth | libqpe-3.2 |
| 23:04.24 | kergoth | .so |
| 23:04.30 | elron | (speaking of hancom and jeode) |
| 23:04.30 | treke|laptop | kergoth: you tried running both on the same system? |
| 23:04.31 | kergoth | just change the link lines to -lqpe-3.2 |
| 23:04.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:04.37 | kergoth | treke|laptop: no, harlekin and zecke have though |
| 23:04.42 | kergoth | elron: yeah |
| 23:04.43 | treke|laptop | so it does work? |
| 23:04.46 | kergoth | elron: htough i hear weird reports on word |
| 23:04.51 | kergoth | treke|laptop: yeah, iirc |
| 23:05.01 | kergoth | treke|laptop: they created a proposal for sharp to convince them of qt3 + gcc3.2 |
| 23:05.03 | treke|laptop | I was kinda worried they'd fight over the framebuffer and touch screen |
| 23:05.04 | kergoth | treke|laptop: i have the pdf |
| 23:05.15 | rerun | elron: not opera... mail... or hancomword or presenter |
| 23:05.20 | kergoth | rerun: huh? |
| 23:05.23 | kergoth | rerun: bullshit |
| 23:05.29 | kergoth | rerun: presenter works, as does mail |
| 23:05.32 | elron | I do not care about opera |
| 23:05.38 | kergoth | rerun: only opera and word are reported to have flakiness |
| 23:05.38 | elron | but I am concerned with mail and presenter |
| 23:05.52 | kergoth | rerun: opera we found the problem on, and are digging into it |
| 23:05.55 | elron | flakiness means signals ? |
| 23:06.00 | kergoth | elron: word crashes |
| 23:06.06 | kergoth | elron: at weird times |
| 23:06.08 | treke|laptop | kergoth: could that be caused by the optimizations you compile with? |
| 23:06.16 | kergoth | treke|laptop: the opera problem? |
| 23:06.25 | kergoth | treke|laptop: it was around before i started using optimizations |
| 23:06.25 | treke|laptop | or word |
| 23:06.36 | kergoth | treke|laptop: word one, possibly |
| 23:06.44 | elron | besides, optimizations do not break code |
| 23:06.50 | kergoth | treke|laptop: i'll just do a build without opts, as a test case |
| 23:06.52 | kryhme|alcohol | +bac2 |
| 23:06.54 | kryhme|alcohol | asdgf |
| 23:06.57 | kergoth | elron: assuming no bugs in the compiler, thats true |
| 23:06.59 | kryhme|alcohol | +bac2 |
| 23:07.00 | kergoth | elron: ;) |
| 23:07.03 | elron | ;) |
| 23:07.17 | rerun | what? i apologize then... maybe i screwed something up. someone on zz said the same thing tho |
| 23:07.19 | kryhme | horrayyy |
| 23:07.21 | treke|laptop | this is gcc we are talking about :) |
| 23:07.27 | kergoth | rerun: dont always assume people are right |
| 23:07.35 | kergoth | rerun: unless you hear the report from more than one person |
| 23:07.38 | kryhme | hey zaurus |
| 23:07.45 | kergoth | rerun: there's always a high likelihood of user error |
| 23:07.51 | kryhme | kergoth |
| 23:08.07 | kergoth | hey kryhme |
| 23:09.06 | kryhme | man, i am so wasrwed ... wasted |
| 23:09.15 | kergoth | yep, typing is the first thing to go ;) |
| 23:09.37 | kryhme | my girlfriends mon mom came to the bar ... from micihigam=n |
| 23:09.45 | kryhme | shit |
| 23:09.59 | badl | mon mom? |
| 23:10.02 | kryhme | what about all these zaurresses |
| 23:10.03 | kergoth | kryhme: dont sweat it, I speak drunk too |
| 23:10.08 | kergoth | kryhme: ;) |
| 23:11.53 | DaWorm | haha |
| 23:11.59 | kryhme | i think owning a zaurus can change someones life dramitaclly |
| 23:12.23 | badl | especially if you are at a bar while chatting on the Z ;) |
| 23:12.30 | DaWorm | no needs i sometimes do that as well |
| 23:12.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:12.35 | kryhme | that would be nuts |
| 23:12.42 | DaWorm | but its been years since i had a taste of alchohol |
| 23:12.43 | badl | yep |
| 23:12.58 | badl | DaWorm: have you only a taste of ole'age? |
| 23:12.59 | kryhme | i would if i had one of those zaurs c700 s or whatever the heell those are |
| 23:13.08 | badl | heh |
| 23:13.17 | DaWorm | my throat is asking me to get a bottle of london dry lately |
| 23:13.29 | badl | kryhme: i beat with the c700 you would pick up all the chix ;) |
| 23:13.53 | kergoth | DaWorm: london dry, whats that, gin? |
| 23:13.56 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 23:14.16 | kryhme | life is good |
| 23:14.33 | kergoth | kryhme: sometimes it is :) |
| 23:14.37 | kryhme | open zaurus for president |
| 23:14.39 | DaWorm | im getting a late lunch..bbl |
| 23:14.44 | DaWorm | heh |
| 23:15.09 | kryhme | hey kergoth, how old are you? |
| 23:15.16 | kergoth | 22 |
| 23:15.23 | kryhme | no shit |
| 23:15.29 | kergoth | yeap |
| 23:15.31 | kergoth | you? |
| 23:15.34 | kryhme | 21 |
| 23:15.48 | DaWorm | me too |
| 23:15.49 | DaWorm | damn |
| 23:16.09 | DaWorm | how old are you? |
| 23:16.13 | treke|laptop | 20 |
| 23:16.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:16.37 | kryhme | i live in ohio and ohio is a piece of shit |
| 23:16.42 | badl | haha |
| 23:16.43 | kryhme | if you ask me |
| 23:16.49 | kergoth | i live in minnesota and minnesota is boring as hell |
| 23:16.53 | kergoth | and theres too damn many nice people |
| 23:16.55 | badl | couldn't be worse than NZ ;) |
| 23:17.03 | DaWorm | or living in souteast asia |
| 23:17.06 | treke|laptop | kergoth: do you speak minnesotan? |
| 23:17.09 | kryhme | huahahaha |
| 23:17.16 | kergoth | treke|laptop: god no |
| 23:17.22 | kergoth | treke|laptop: i live in minneapolis, not fargo |
| 23:17.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:17.29 | kryhme | hhaha |
| 23:17.31 | kergoth | but we do have some weird terminology here regardless |
| 23:18.06 | treke|laptop | kergoth: wouldnt it be great if you fixed the bc bugs in openzaurus</minnesotan> |
| 23:19.09 | kryhme | british colombia |
| 23:19.30 | kryhme | man i don't want to goto work in ithe morning |
| 23:19.37 | kergoth | know how ya feel there |
| 23:19.41 | badl | where do you work? |
| 23:20.26 | kryhme | i'm a systems admin for this local company... blowz |
| 23:20.34 | badl | blowz? |
| 23:20.35 | kergoth | kryhme: just think |
| 23:20.38 | badl | cocaine addicts? |
| 23:20.38 | kergoth | kryhme: it could be worse |
| 23:20.42 | kergoth | kryhme: you could be in tech support :) |
| 23:20.46 | kryhme | 'company computer guy' |
| 23:20.47 | badl | hahah |
| 23:20.49 | *** join/#zaurus Cloudchaser_ (Cloudchase@ool-182dd8bb.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:20.54 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 23:21.04 | kryhme | kergoth: i wokred tech support for a few years |
| 23:21.05 | chouimat|Zzzzz | calice |
| 23:21.16 | badl | kergothwhat are *U* doing in tech support? |
| 23:21.28 | kergoth | badl: losing my sanity |
| 23:21.29 | chouimat|Zzzzz | BOFH |
| 23:21.32 | badl | hehe |
| 23:22.16 | kergoth | spiffy, thanks to neale OZ will be ditching atd finally! |
| 23:22.59 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: finally! no more weird hard to reproduce time loss problems |
| 23:26.32 | elron | does anyone know how much is the CF 1Gb flash drive ? (not md) ? |
| 23:26.55 | kryhme | asdf |
| 23:26.59 | kryhme | enr6n |
| 23:27.11 | kryhme | h6w d5 d that character sh6w4 4* |
| 23:27.15 | kryhme | 4666 |
| 23:27.25 | kryhme | 5where 5s 5t |
| 23:27.32 | kryhme | fucking num lock |
| 23:27.53 | badl | you must be on a laptop ;) |
| 23:28.06 | kryhme | wireless keyboard w/ mouse |
| 23:28.10 | kryhme | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.27 | elron | I'm off |
| 23:28.28 | elron | bye |
| 23:28.32 | badl | my logitech wireless keyboard rocks! |
| 23:28.32 | kryhme | byeeee |
| 23:28.56 | kryhme | my keyabnord is somewhat like a lapt op keybaord |
| 23:30.27 | kryhme | anyone ever try and have more than one girlfrined at the same time?? |
| 23:30.38 | badl | yes |
| 23:30.53 | kryhme | how did that turn out? |
| 23:30.54 | badl | i found it difficult remembering which one i told what |
| 23:31.03 | kergoth | yes, difficult is a good word for it |
| 23:31.11 | badl | i was constantly reminded that i had told them that the other day |
| 23:31.24 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:32.00 | badl | anyway two g/f's take up to much time from the computer ;) |
| 23:32.19 | kergoth | two g/fs is either a lot of fun or a nightmare. or both! |
| 23:32.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:33.00 | kryhme | compuiters is a crazy world... positives and negatives based on voltages all coming together to create what we see on our screens |
| 23:33.39 | kryhme | nobody really understands |
| 23:33.52 | kergoth | kryhme: dont try being philosophical while drunk |
| 23:33.54 | kergoth | kryhme: it wont work |
| 23:33.56 | kergoth | kryhme: :) |
| 23:34.19 | elron | back |
| 23:35.11 | kryhme | man i hope this economy doesn't b0rk me more than it already has, or else i'm fukked |
| 23:35.21 | kergoth | kryhme: same here |
| 23:35.30 | kryhme | that's your word |
| 23:35.31 | *** join/#zaurus tux_mike (~mike@dsl081-228-057.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 23:35.32 | kryhme | bork |
| 23:35.33 | badl | ression is near |
| 23:35.44 | kryhme | recession is near |
| 23:35.47 | elron | hmm |
| 23:35.52 | elron | what about (x)emacs over OZ ? |
| 23:35.58 | kryhme | haha |
| 23:36.01 | kergoth | elron: microemacs is available |
| 23:36.05 | kergoth | elron: ljp uses it |
| 23:36.05 | badl | so who failed english at school kryhme? |
| 23:36.13 | kryhme | was it me? |
| 23:36.20 | badl | hhehe /me ;) |
| 23:36.20 | elron | I am speaking about full-fledged emacs |
| 23:36.24 | kryhme | i don't thinks oso |
| 23:36.25 | elron | one that can run gnus |
| 23:36.28 | kergoth | elron: so crosscompile it |
| 23:36.34 | kergoth | elron: :) |
| 23:36.46 | elron | fine |
| 23:37.00 | elron | where can I find a listing of libraries already crosscompiled ? |
| 23:37.05 | kergoth | elron: actually, there may be a familiar emacs ipk |
| 23:37.08 | kergoth | elron: check ipkgfind |
| 23:37.18 | kryhme | you asadf==' |
| 23:37.19 | kryhme | ]a |
| 23:37.25 | kryhme | i'm fading off |
| 23:37.27 | kryhme | aagggg |
| 23:37.34 | kryhme | whoooooooooo |
| 23:37.39 | kergoth | this song rocks |
| 23:37.41 | kergoth | Saliva - Always |
| 23:38.12 | kergoth | i breathe you, i taste you, i cant live without you |
| 23:38.26 | kergoth | i love you, i hate you, i cant live without you |
| 23:38.39 | badl | must be talking about bitches |
| 23:38.43 | kergoth | yeap |
| 23:39.13 | kryhme | smack |
| 23:39.15 | badl | no you dont.... you love pussy ;) |
| 23:39.16 | kergoth | always, always, always always. i see... the blood all over your hands. does it make you feel, more like a man? was it all, just a part of your plan? the pistol's shaking in my hand and all i hear is the sound |
| 23:39.25 | kergoth | i love you, i ahte you, i cant live without you |
| 23:39.39 | badl | kergoth: do you touch type or two finger it? |
| 23:40.12 | kergoth | badl: touch, i havent typed two finger in many a year |
| 23:40.25 | badl | kergoth: and when you code you touch type? |
| 23:40.35 | kergoth | yep, two finger is way too slow |
| 23:40.40 | badl | hell |
| 23:40.45 | kergoth | i need as close to a mind->computer interface as possible |
| 23:40.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:40.54 | badl | so you can touch type a regex ;) |
| 23:40.59 | kryhme | kergoth: did your past bitches get in fights with you over open zaurus.... i try and tell my girlfriend about it and she dones't give two shits |
| 23:41.17 | kergoth | kryhme: nah, my ex- was pretty cool about it all actually |
| 23:41.19 | kergoth | badl: hell yeah |
| 23:41.22 | badl | kryhme: all chix i have dated couldn't give two shits about computers |
| 23:41.32 | kergoth | badl: same here |
| 23:41.39 | kergoth | how they feel about -my- giving a shit about computers has varied |
| 23:41.43 | kergoth | the last one was pretty accomidating |
| 23:41.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:41.53 | badl | lucky |
| 23:42.41 | kryhme | yeah, a lot of people ask my g/f questions about computers, just because i know a lot, and because everyone uses windows, she's just like "restart your computer" and that always works every single time... |
| 23:42.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:43.00 | badl | hahah |
| 23:43.16 | kryhme | i typed that so well |
| 23:43.28 | kryhme | backspace is essential |
| 23:43.31 | badl | so is your g/f as young as mine? ;) |
| 23:43.40 | kryhme | she is 20 |
| 23:43.47 | badl | haha.... mines 18 |
| 23:43.47 | kryhme | i'd do her |
| 23:44.13 | kryhme | i'm debating whether or not i need a g/f |
| 23:44.25 | badl | they are good ocasionally |
| 23:45.02 | badl | treat em like shit and they keep coming back ;) |
| 23:45.29 | badl | kryhme: hot bitches are shit..... ugly bitches are best in bed |
| 23:45.36 | kryhme | gross |
| 23:45.42 | kergoth | egad |
| 23:45.44 | badl | why gross? |
| 23:45.44 | elron | unles I'm mistaken, you do not show much respect towards your girlfriends |
| 23:45.46 | kergoth | not in my experience. |
| 23:46.03 | kergoth | besides, waking up next to an ugly chick *always* sucks |
| 23:46.06 | kergoth | *always* |
| 23:46.10 | kryhme | ugky bitches produce nightmares and impotence |
| 23:46.20 | badl | elron: i deliever the roller coaster of respect/disrespect |
| 23:46.31 | badl | kryhme: depends how ugly you are talking |
| 23:46.37 | kergoth | badl: hah, keep em on their toes eh |
| 23:46.47 | kryhme | depens on how ugky you are talking |
| 23:47.19 | badl | kryhme: probably what every1 calls standard |
| 23:49.30 | *** join/#zaurus DaWorm (~jsg@202.57.71.238) |
| 23:49.40 | kryhme | shit hole |
| 23:49.44 | kryhme | i'm going to bed |
| 23:49.49 | badl | see ya |
| 23:50.01 | kryhme|sleepin | night badl |
| 23:50.20 | kergoth | elron: yep |
| 23:50.30 | kergoth | elron: there are multple onscreen inputmethods to choose from |
| 23:50.32 | badl | elron: yes with virtual keyboard |
| 23:50.36 | kergoth | elron: if you're using oz, you can use graffiti |
| 23:50.40 | badl | hehe |
| 23:50.41 | elron | graffiti |
| 23:50.43 | elron | oh yeah |
| 23:50.45 | elron | cool |
| 23:51.47 | treke|laptop | at the moment the handwriting input method rather sucks though :) |
| 23:51.57 | kergoth | yeap |
| 23:52.08 | ElzWhere | what is the gcc pkg for OZ3? |
| 23:52.09 | elron | you mean, the graffiti OCR does not work yet |
| 23:52.19 | treke|laptop | which sucks since the old one doesnt seem to work any more either :) |
| 23:52.21 | kergoth | ElzWhere: just use the one on zsi |
| 23:52.46 | treke|laptop | elron: The OZ handwriting recognition package has issues now. They should be resolved soon enough |
| 23:52.53 | ElzWhere | is it distcc? |
| 23:52.55 | ElzWhere | is that it? |
| 23:53.00 | kergoth | ElzWhere: distcc is not a compiler |
| 23:53.07 | kergoth | ElzWhere: its a tool for doing distributed compiles |
| 23:53.08 | elron | but the onscreen keyboard feature still works, I expect |
| 23:53.12 | kergoth | s/compiles/builds/ |
| 23:54.04 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: did a test cross build netbsd for the arm (with distcc) on 2 linux box, one freebsd and one netbsd |
| 23:54.05 | kergoth`zzz | night all |
| 23:54.10 | kergoth`zzz | chouimat|Zzzzz: nice |
| 23:54.11 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night kergoth`out |
| 23:54.14 | kergoth`zzz | night |
