| 00:07.42 | ElzWhere | nm i got it |
| 00:31.20 | hash | is the prism2 driver in OZ from somewhere outside of the normal kernel tree? |
| 00:31.38 | hash | i'm trying to find it so i can use the card on my notebook |
| 00:31.48 | hash | but it doesnt seem to be in 2.4.19 |
| 00:57.34 | hash | damn it |
| 02:09.51 | hash | anyone know how to get a wcf11 working on a notebook? |
| 02:11.07 | hash | when i plug the card in i just get a low beep |
| 02:11.12 | hash | nothing in /var/log/messages |
| 02:56.18 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 02:56.28 | NoRemorse | is there a mppe module for Z please? |
| 03:07.30 | NoRemorse | has anyone EVER managed to use a pptp client on the Z? I am starting to think it is impossible |
| 03:14.59 | NoRemorse | anyone use freeswan please? |
| 04:10.45 | JupiterJoe | i just got my zaurus...can i anyhow start it without preloading the batteries for 24h ?? |
| 04:16.17 | JupiterJoe | hallo ??? talk to me |
| 04:16.20 | JupiterJoe | plz ;-) |
| 04:28.56 | rikkus | JupiterJoe: yes, just plug it in, let it charge for about half an hour, then switch it on (while still plugged in) |
| 04:29.15 | rikkus | JupiterJoe: might make your future battery charging non-optimal, but probably not too much |
| 04:36.30 | JupiterJoe | rikkus did you do it that way? |
| 04:36.30 | rikkus | yes |
| 04:36.37 | rikkus | didn't seem to harm it |
| 04:36.52 | rikkus | it's had a few almost-drained -> full charge since then |
| 04:36.57 | rikkus | seems to have normal battery life |
| 04:38.05 | JupiterJoe | did you you test the lifetime actually... by measuring it ...and what did you do for actions while the first load happened |
| 04:38.25 | rikkus | no, I didn't measure anything |
| 04:38.31 | rikkus | for actions ? |
| 04:38.37 | JupiterJoe | im scared ;-)) but im also very ancious to test it.... |
| 04:38.48 | JupiterJoe | like compiling a new kernel ;-)) |
| 04:38.57 | rikkus | just leave it in the cradle for the first 24h, it'll be fine |
| 04:40.00 | JupiterJoe | ok... i already waited 2 weeks for it since ordering it.... but it was 150euro cheaper so... |
| 04:40.16 | JupiterJoe | waiting for toys just kills me.... |
| 04:40.28 | JupiterJoe | *g* |
| 04:46.45 | JupiterJoe | the faq says something about the internal nicd batterie and it very low charge rate....he mentions that this is why sharp recommends 24h first charge.... |
| 04:47.38 | JupiterJoe | litium ion akkus are not affected by the akku draining effect? but im probably wrong with that... |
| 04:47.57 | rikkus | dunno |
| 04:48.01 | rikkus | I bought a spare battery |
| 04:48.05 | rikkus | seemed like it was worth it |
| 04:48.16 | rikkus | 2h use is crap, 4h is not so bad |
| 04:48.35 | rikkus | that's enough for the train journeys I make, listening to vorbis files all the way |
| 04:50.01 | JupiterJoe | you could shut down the display to get 5 hours of continous mp3 playback... |
| 04:52.53 | rikkus | that's rubbish |
| 04:53.03 | rikkus | you get 2 hours max |
| 04:55.50 | Harlekin | ipaq can go 11 h max while playing vorbis files |
| 04:56.00 | rikkus | wow |
| 04:56.04 | rikkus | same CPU too, right ? |
| 04:56.28 | rikkus | does that use a different battery ? |
| 04:57.33 | Harlekin | yes |
| 04:57.35 | Harlekin | much bigger |
| 04:57.39 | Harlekin | 38xx ipaq |
| 04:57.45 | Harlekin | and i uses op2 |
| 04:57.48 | Harlekin | used |
| 04:57.58 | rikkus | op2 ? |
| 04:58.20 | Harlekin | opie player 2 |
| 04:58.25 | rikkus | oh |
| 04:58.38 | Harlekin | and display + backlight off |
| 04:58.43 | rikkus | hmm |
| 04:58.44 | Harlekin | which is mapped to a button in op2 |
| 04:58.52 | rikkus | is there a way to turn the whole display off on the Z ? |
| 04:58.56 | Harlekin | so just as vorbis player |
| 04:58.59 | rikkus | I thought you could just turn the light off |
| 04:59.01 | Harlekin | rikkus: should be on the Z too |
| 04:59.09 | Harlekin | its just a vesa call |
| 04:59.24 | Harlekin | buts its very "dangerous" |
| 04:59.44 | rikkus | from the UI, you can only set when to dim the light, when to turn the light off, and when to suspend |
| 04:59.56 | rikkus | I didn't know it took power to keep the display running without the light |
| 05:00.05 | Harlekin | but very little |
| 05:00.09 | Harlekin | compared to with light |
| 05:00.10 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 05:00.17 | Harlekin | the light eats most |
| 05:00.24 | rikkus | guessed so |
| 05:00.29 | JupiterJoe | rikkus there is an app on killefiz |
| 05:00.37 | JupiterJoe | that shuts it down |
| 05:01.00 | Harlekin | there is just hte danger that if that app crashes |
| 05:01.06 | Harlekin | you need to reset the Z |
| 05:01.10 | rikkus | heh |
| 05:01.22 | JupiterJoe | telnet into it that happens.... |
| 05:01.38 | JupiterJoe | but on the road that seems very hard |
| 05:01.46 | rikkus | yep |
| 05:02.15 | JupiterJoe | how cool is the 5 way button... like a little mirror... ;-) |
| 05:02.24 | rikkus | ah, Dr. Z Blind |
| 05:02.30 | rikkus | nice screenshot |
| 05:02.36 | JupiterJoe | yes ..hehe ;-))) |
| 05:03.28 | JupiterJoe | is there a bigger batterie to buy ?? |
| 05:03.39 | rikkus | well, you can buy a large external battery |
| 05:03.44 | rikkus | which is meant for a digital camera |
| 05:04.21 | JupiterJoe | a solar panel would be nice .... |
| 05:06.52 | rikkus | very |
| 05:07.18 | rikkus | maybe it's possible to rig one up |
| 05:07.29 | rikkus | I wouldn't try myself, I know nothing about hardware :} |
| 05:07.51 | rikkus | if I ran the world, it would have a nuclear battery that had 10,000 years life in it |
| 05:08.12 | rikkus | and I'd be made of metal, so I wouldn't be worried about the radiation |
| 05:08.34 | Harlekin | metal does not mean protection from readiation .-) |
| 05:08.48 | rikkus | yes, but I'd be less worried about cancer ;) |
| 05:09.26 | rikkus | actually, I'd just power everything wirelessly, from the earth's core or something |
| 05:12.45 | rikkus | ipkg say something went wrong. Sorry. |
| 05:12.51 | rikkus | that's going to be written on my tombstone. |
| 05:35.27 | JupiterJoe | hmmm... does anyone know how setup routing for usb net on xp? |
| 05:36.29 | JupiterJoe | problem is that i already got one lan routed over the xp pc.... |
| 05:47.55 | rikkus | my advice: get a cf network card |
| 05:48.01 | rikkus | usb networking is hassle :| |
| 06:43.24 | ibz|work | boo! |
| 07:22.15 | benmeyer | morning |
| 07:23.29 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 07:25.18 | Twiun | hiya jason |
| 07:37.18 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 07:44.47 | chouimat | morning |
| 07:57.11 | Twiun | hiya Cloudchaser |
| 08:00.31 | chouimat | http://athame.ath.cx/pic12353.jpg |
| 08:02.16 | XavierXeon | why is there a red circle on the picture ? this man has probably some x-ray sight :) |
| 08:03.17 | bipolar | more then likely he just forgot they were on and removed them 2 sec after that shot was taken. It's still funny... |
| 08:03.44 | Twiun | great visionary methinks... really, I do |
| 08:04.17 | Twiun | woops... where's that pretzel? |
| 08:06.42 | chouimat | nevada weed distribution center |
| 08:06.50 | BigBoss | happy election day |
| 08:07.13 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 08:07.43 | BigBoss | howdy chouimat |
| 08:08.43 | Twiun | hey BB |
| 08:08.44 | BigBoss | boy, I was all set to install Gentoo on this crash and burn machine, and now it's not seeing the CD or the 2nd HD :( |
| 08:08.46 | XavierXeon | Twiun: the answer is ..... PenciL |
| 08:08.48 | BigBoss | hey Twiun |
| 08:09.34 | Twiun | XavierXeon: you mean he does it wirh pencils too? a Homer lookalike? |
| 08:09.43 | chouimat | BigBoss: ide or scsi? |
| 08:10.25 | XavierXeon | Twiun: you should watch the simpsons more closly. homer has a pencil in his brain, there fore you cannot see it :) |
| 08:11.52 | BigBoss | chouimat: it's just IDE, it was all working last week when I tried it, but I think I pulled some stuff out to get it to work with SuSE 8.1 and now I have to figure out what is going on |
| 08:11.57 | BigBoss | XavierXeon: wasn't it a crayon? |
| 08:12.40 | XavierXeon | BigBoss: yeah it was ;-) |
| 08:18.54 | Twiun | XavierXeon: Do we actually know where he stuck that pretzel? if left alone, I'm sure it could have made it's way up there... to join all the others... |
| 08:20.23 | XavierXeon | Twiun: i think that is a matter of national security and should not be dicussed here |
| 08:20.32 | XavierXeon | err discussed |
| 08:21.12 | Twiun | Not *my* national security... but it's getting to be a boring subject, ok, I'll drop it and pick on someone else |
| 08:21.39 | XavierXeon | not my national securiy either :) |
| 08:21.57 | BigBoss | Whatever happened to Idi Amin? |
| 08:22.02 | BigBoss | did he die from Syphalus? |
| 08:22.09 | BigBoss | god, I have no idea how to spell this morning |
| 08:22.27 | Wintre | "'This morning', tee aitch eye..." |
| 08:22.46 | chouimat | BigBoss: go back to sleep :) |
| 08:27.46 | Twiun | guess who put his passport through the washing machine? |
| 08:27.56 | Wintre | mmmmm |
| 08:28.22 | Twiun | these things really aren't all that durable |
| 08:28.33 | Twiun | gonna have to get some glue |
| 08:28.37 | JasonNJ | he de general de president the king of the sea, idi, idi amin |
| 08:29.20 | XavierXeon | Twiun: dont you have one of those new passport where the main page is plastic ? |
| 08:29.47 | JasonNJ | I think the british are behind on passport technology |
| 08:29.51 | Twiun | XavierXeon: yeah, but the outer cover is no longer stuck to the inner pages... |
| 08:30.03 | BigBoss | I haven't used my passport in over a year |
| 08:30.05 | XavierXeon | JasonNJ: my british passport is palstic |
| 08:30.06 | Twiun | JasonNJ: I have a french-european passport |
| 08:30.24 | JasonNJ | well, maybe he has a scottish one. :) |
| 08:30.26 | Twiun | XavierXeon: bad jokes aside... that's unfortunate ;-) |
| 08:30.53 | JasonNJ | Twiun: I didnt know you were french |
| 08:31.04 | JasonNJ | you're so pleasant. |
| 08:31.10 | Twiun | JasonNJ: anyway... these days a fake passport is only about £3k or so |
| 08:31.16 | Twiun | JasonNJ: lol |
| 08:31.19 | XavierXeon | Twiun: very true. thats why i travel with my id card within europe. its just plastic, no cover and doesnt even burn properly |
| 08:31.26 | Twiun | JasonNJ: been in the uk 15 years |
| 08:32.05 | JasonNJ | europe doesnt issue EU passports now? |
| 08:32.13 | JasonNJ | each country still does it? |
| 08:32.48 | Twiun | JasonNJ: afaik, the passports all have the same form-factor, with european on the front... but still slightly different inside |
| 08:33.03 | XavierXeon | JasonNJ: the passports across the european union are identical, just the cover is different |
| 08:34.12 | Twiun | XavierXeon: you know best... the only ones I've seen are the brits and the french |
| 08:34.50 | chouimat | JasonNJ: problem with French people? |
| 08:35.01 | JasonNJ | chou: only parisians |
| 08:35.09 | chouimat | JasonNJ: me too |
| 08:35.12 | JasonNJ | most french people I like |
| 08:35.13 | kolla | France is such a beatiful country |
| 08:35.20 | kolla | if it wasnt for the frenche |
| 08:35.23 | kolla | -e |
| 08:35.30 | JasonNJ | although quebecois are just as annoying as parisians, if not more |
| 08:35.51 | kolla | what's so annoying about parisians? |
| 08:35.51 | Twiun | JasonNJ: I'm from near Geneva... and I find the Swiss living in that city to be a little... ahem, cold and what's the word... unsocial |
| 08:36.11 | kolla | I find Hamburg the city with most annoying habitants :) |
| 08:36.16 | JasonNJ | 2x4.. and that would be what in meters? |
| 08:36.29 | Wintre | Two feet by four feet |
| 08:36.34 | Wintre | units feet meters |
| 08:36.34 | XavierXeon | kolla: you should try munich |
| 08:36.48 | kolla | XavierXeon: I have no trouble with munich :) |
| 08:36.49 | Wintre | Say, .6 by 1.3 |
| 08:36.50 | chouimat | JasonNJ: don't know we still use inch for that |
| 08:37.05 | kolla | XavierXeon: hand me a salvator and I'm happy :) |
| 08:37.20 | kolla | but alsterwasser.. yikes :) |
| 08:37.50 | XavierXeon | kolla: you should try to live there. its pure horror if you dont have enough money to be pissed all the time |
| 08:38.02 | kolla | hehe |
| 08:38.02 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I just have problem with Wigger |
| 08:38.10 | JasonNJ | yeah the germans are consistently infuriating |
| 08:38.13 | BigBoss | Twiun: I spent a coule weeks in Zug some years ago |
| 08:38.15 | kolla | XavierXeon: I have family in Lindau |
| 08:38.32 | kolla | uncles and aunts and cousins and all that |
| 08:38.40 | kolla | mum is from the area |
| 08:38.57 | Twiun | BigBoss: Zug? |
| 08:39.01 | JasonNJ | bigboss: apparently Idi is living it up in Saudi |
| 08:39.41 | kolla | XavierXeon: besides I like the way they break the grammar in bavaria :) |
| 08:39.55 | XavierXeon | lol |
| 08:41.50 | mandrake | good morning |
| 08:42.29 | chouimat | shit! the parti Quebecois want the new election day to be an holyday |
| 08:47.59 | Cloudchaser | hullo everyone ;) |
| 08:48.21 | chouimat | hi Cloudchaser |
| 08:48.40 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing today? |
| 08:50.02 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: as usual lonely |
| 08:51.39 | Cloudchaser | aww :( |
| 08:51.47 | kergoth`zzz | hey guys |
| 08:51.51 | Cloudchaser | hi kergoth |
| 08:52.03 | kergoth | hey cloud, how are ya |
| 08:52.14 | chouimat | hey kergoth fixed the oz problems? |
| 08:52.16 | Cloudchaser | not too bad thanks.. |
| 08:52.30 | Cloudchaser | just fixed two pc's that folks have dropped off |
| 08:52.35 | Cloudchaser | i made em wait this time |
| 08:52.39 | Cloudchaser | ;* |
| 08:52.52 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: bad |
| 08:52.57 | Cloudchaser | hehe why? |
| 08:53.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:53.15 | Cloudchaser | one is my husband's sister's ex-husband's pc |
| 08:53.29 | Cloudchaser | who wanted to charge an arm and a leg for some electrical work |
| 08:53.35 | Cloudchaser | now he owes us ;) |
| 08:53.51 | Cloudchaser | the other is a woman we used to live next door to 2 years ago |
| 08:53.54 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: ok do the job in 2hrs and make him wait a week, and charge two weeks :) |
| 08:54.08 | Cloudchaser | who has 5 kids who hose up the pc on a daily basis |
| 08:54.34 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: charge him an annual support service |
| 08:54.36 | Cloudchaser | (teenaged kids who could fix the damn thing themselves) |
| 08:54.56 | Cloudchaser | if these people had any money they'd not be dropping it off at my house :) |
| 08:55.15 | Cloudchaser | so now i take my time so they only show up when they really need it or not at all ;) |
| 08:56.16 | chouimat | hmmm I live in the poorest part of Quebec City and how those people can have a Big Dane and a cell phone |
| 08:56.49 | Cloudchaser | a Big Dane? like a great dane dog? |
| 08:57.16 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: yes, I didn't know how to translate it |
| 08:57.22 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 08:57.36 | Cloudchaser | you do very well with english |
| 08:57.54 | cod | hi > all |
| 08:58.04 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: Do I have any other choice? |
| 08:58.16 | BigBoss | chouimat: If you lived in garden grove and had a number of great dane's, you would be a rancher :) |
| 08:59.02 | chouimat | BigBoss: I don't have room here for a great dane, I think I will get a second cat, mine is always on me .... |
| 08:59.25 | chouimat | BigBoss: btw the new Opeth album his great |
| 08:59.28 | Cloudchaser | then they'll be fighting for lap space :) |
| 09:00.04 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: I think mine is gay |
| 09:00.27 | Cloudchaser | get another boy cat? |
| 09:01.10 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: no he always on my friends but not on their girlfriends ;) |
| 09:02.20 | BigBoss | chouimat: we were playing something on progrock earlier from Opeth |
| 09:02.46 | chouimat | BigBoss: the song name? I have all the opeth album |
| 09:03.48 | Cloudchaser | who picks the music to play BigBoss? |
| 09:04.05 | numatrix | Anybody remember the name of the long life external power for the Z? |
| 09:04.06 | BigBoss | chouimat: I don't remember |
| 09:04.21 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: me and my partner just slap everything on the play list that is progressive that we like |
| 09:04.24 | BigBoss | we've got about 400 CD's |
| 09:04.44 | BigBoss | playing Porcupine Tree right now |
| 09:05.23 | BigBoss | I just got a stack of CD's from Magna Carta Records, and they 90% suck |
| 09:05.30 | BigBoss | I don't think I'm going to put most of them on |
| 09:07.41 | chouimat | BigBoss: got a sample CD from Nuclear Blast, very good stuff |
| 09:08.16 | BigBoss | haven't heard of them |
| 09:08.41 | BigBoss | oh did you see the RIAA yesterday claiming that record sales were down by like 30% and it was because of online music trading |
| 09:08.46 | chouimat | BigBoss: Nuclear Blast .... the record company? |
| 09:08.48 | kergoth | lol |
| 09:08.50 | BigBoss | they don't get that one doesn't necessarily have to do with another |
| 09:09.12 | BigBoss | it's like auto sales are down 30%, so you say it's because Gray Davis is governor of California |
| 09:09.17 | BigBoss | it's a pointless equation |
| 09:09.33 | chouimat | BigBoss: only the sales of "single hit wonder" drops because lesser known band sales more record than before |
| 09:09.38 | BigBoss | maybe record sales are down because no one is being exposed to new and interesting music because the RIAA is cutting everything off |
| 09:09.58 | BigBoss | when Napster was in full swing, it was record setting record sales |
| 09:10.30 | chouimat | BigBoss: without napster/kazaa/etc, I would not have discover spock's beard .... |
| 09:10.58 | BigBoss | chouimat: that is how I got into Fates Warning, Jim Matheos, Symphony X and a about 2 dozen other bands |
| 09:11.04 | BigBoss | I bought at least 100 CD's because of it |
| 09:11.24 | BigBoss | and also found another dozen that I didn't buy because they sucked and I was glad I got to sample them |
| 09:11.52 | neale | without napster, I may have actually bought that Jessica Simpson album |
| 09:11.58 | BigBoss | hahahaha |
| 09:12.00 | BigBoss | well she is hot |
| 09:12.11 | neale | I've never seen a picture of her |
| 09:12.13 | chouimat | BigBoss: me too but when the band was good but not great or the CD was too expensive/hard to find or not on the market anymore I just copied it |
| 09:12.22 | neale | but in general, I buy music to listen to, not to look at |
| 09:12.30 | BigBoss | chouimat: good point, it's a way to find acts that are out of print too |
| 09:12.37 | kergoth | neale: any luck on the atd/apmd nightmare? |
| 09:12.39 | BigBoss | personally I like having the CD packaging |
| 09:12.49 | neale | well I was thinking about it on the way to work today |
| 09:13.06 | neale | and I was going over channel logs so I wouldn't have to bug you about it again |
| 09:13.08 | kergoth | neale: if we can figure out why apmd interferes with power button handling, we're set |
| 09:13.15 | chouimat | BigBoss: me too. now I need to transfert my 300+ audio tape to cd |
| 09:13.20 | neale | what will wake the device up for an alarm, though? |
| 09:13.28 | BigBoss | now if CD's were priced at a more reasonable level, like say $9.95 and people could hear them, then sales would explode |
| 09:13.33 | kergoth | neale: opiealarm.c registers the alarm with the rtc |
| 09:13.38 | neale | okay right |
| 09:13.41 | kergoth | neale: opiealarm gets called by suspend/resume scripts by apmd |
| 09:13.45 | neale | that was the part I was scrolling back for :) |
| 09:13.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:13.59 | kergoth | its a pain figuring out how all these things fit together |
| 09:14.04 | chouimat | BigBoss: good point, because the band make more money by touring than releasing a cd |
| 09:14.13 | neale | well, I have trouble keeping things in my head |
| 09:14.22 | BigBoss | Ah, Queensryche is on now |
| 09:14.26 | kergoth | neale: yeah, me too |
| 09:14.26 | neale | but opiealarm does seem a lot cleaner than atd |
| 09:14.30 | kergoth | neale: vi is my friend |
| 09:14.32 | chouimat | BigBoss: which song? |
| 09:14.43 | kergoth | neale: i have a quadrillion text files all over my homedir with bits of info so i stop forgetting |
| 09:14.45 | BigBoss | Anybody Listening |
| 09:14.46 | kergoth | neale: :) |
| 09:14.56 | neale | hmm. |
| 09:15.17 | neale | Okay, well, I won't get to look at apmd until tonight. |
| 09:15.26 | JasonNJ | oh man, Dr. Smith died |
| 09:15.29 | JasonNJ | I loved that guy |
| 09:16.07 | chouimat | I hate when my cat lay between my monitors and play with my keyboard cable |
| 09:16.33 | kergoth | morning JasonNJ |
| 09:16.39 | kergoth | ibot: seen pavelm |
| 09:16.39 | | i haven't seen 'pavelm', kergoth |
| 09:16.42 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 09:19.50 | chouimat | hmmm my cd database need an update |
| 09:22.55 | numatrix | query ibot |
| 09:22.58 | numatrix | :-) |
| 09:22.59 | numatrix | whoops |
| 09:23.52 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 09:24.09 | Piete | Damn, I was busy today... |
| 09:25.18 | Piete | I hate the, because : I have CTS in my wrists, and they give me too much stuff to write... OUCH |
| 09:25.24 | Piete | s/the/them |
| 09:27.16 | benmeyer | ibot seen killefiz |
| 09:27.16 | | i haven't seen 'killefiz', benmeyer |
| 09:28.33 | Piete | heh |
| 09:29.59 | numatrix | nice |
| 09:30.03 | kergoth | haha |
| 09:30.06 | Cloudchaser | owie |
| 09:30.14 | Piete | hehehe, ouchhh |
| 09:30.31 | Piete | numatrix: heh, is that a raise in your tone of voice I'm detecting? |
| 09:31.36 | numatrix | <girlish whine>I'm ohhhh-kay</while> |
| 09:31.52 | Piete | lol |
| 09:32.26 | kergoth | numatrix: you're scaring me now |
| 09:36.52 | JasonNJ | ibot kill ibot |
| 09:36.52 | | JasonNJ: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 09:37.00 | JasonNJ | ibot stab ibot |
| 09:37.00 | | JasonNJ: bugger all, i dunno |
| 09:37.18 | kergoth | lol |
| 09:37.25 | kergoth | blootbot rocks |
| 09:38.58 | kolla | time for dinner and a nap... bbl |
| 09:40.30 | chouimat | ibot: stab kergoth |
| 09:40.30 | | i don't know, chouimat |
| 09:42.40 | kergoth | haha |
| 09:42.46 | kergoth | ibot: botsnack |
| 09:42.46 | | thanks kergoth :) |
| 09:42.53 | Piete | lol |
| 09:43.11 | Piete | eeww 40x25, that reminds me of telnet on my old Palm III |
| 09:43.25 | hardwire | it was smaller than that :) |
| 09:43.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:43.52 | hardwire | itsa kinda chilly in here today |
| 09:49.45 | treke | anyone know of a way to set some form of identifier for a row in a QTable? |
| 09:51.35 | hardwire | with C |
| 09:51.38 | hardwire | I believe |
| 09:58.42 | hardwire | blah |
| 09:59.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:00.21 | hardwire | living with roomates is cool.. I just payed rent and still have money :) |
| 10:00.28 | kergoth | yeh |
| 10:00.37 | kergoth | i couldnt afford my place w/o roommates |
| 10:01.00 | hardwire | $350 for rent is just neat |
| 10:01.14 | JasonNJ | I hate roomates |
| 10:01.17 | hardwire | only one problem |
| 10:01.21 | hardwire | I can't stop playing halo |
| 10:01.37 | hardwire | or watching movies |
| 10:01.45 | treke | 350? that would be nice :) |
| 10:02.01 | hardwire | I was paying $920 before roomates |
| 10:02.05 | hardwire | at another place |
| 10:02.05 | mandrake | I refuse to have a roommate besides my wife |
| 10:02.08 | hardwire | so.. this makes me happy |
| 10:02.14 | mandrake | I always end up hating them |
| 10:02.21 | JasonNJ | mandrake: same |
| 10:02.24 | hardwire | heh |
| 10:02.39 | JasonNJ | and wives alone can be frustrating as hell |
| 10:02.43 | mandrake | hah |
| 10:02.47 | hardwire | so far all is kosher.. I really couldn't end up hating these guys.. they have been roomates together for around 4 years already |
| 10:02.48 | JasonNJ | now imagine having to live with people you DONT have sex with |
| 10:02.54 | hardwire | so they are being gentle with me :) |
| 10:03.21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: haha, true |
| 10:03.44 | hardwire | apparently you are not totally Infamous |
| 10:04.13 | mandrake | hardwire: you could have a smaller place. |
| 10:04.30 | hardwire | mandrake: with three roomates.. I have a much smaller place |
| 10:04.33 | mandrake | or live someplace cheaper |
| 10:04.35 | mandrake | hehe |
| 10:04.36 | kergoth | hah |
| 10:04.43 | hardwire | sorta likes the roomates thing |
| 10:04.46 | kergoth | I couldnt afford my mortgage without a roommate |
| 10:04.51 | JasonNJ | roomates are ok in a certain stage of your life |
| 10:04.53 | kergoth | and i love having other people pay to get me equity |
| 10:04.59 | hardwire | I have lived by myself since I was 16.. so this is a cool change |
| 10:04.59 | JasonNJ | I think past 25 it has to stop |
| 10:05.05 | hardwire | I might actually meet chicks soon :) |
| 10:05.11 | Wintre | hardwire: Where do you live? |
| 10:05.12 | kergoth | hah |
| 10:05.14 | kergoth | hardwire: good luck |
| 10:05.15 | mandrake | you can have some of my fan club |
| 10:05.20 | hardwire | Wintre: Fort collins Colorado |
| 10:05.27 | Wintre | It's expensive there? |
| 10:05.28 | mandrake | oh well that's a bit far for my fan club |
| 10:05.32 | hardwire | mandrake: girlvinyl already tried! |
| 10:05.39 | mandrake | hahahaha |
| 10:05.44 | hardwire | she scared me! |
| 10:05.50 | mandrake | that's funny because I know her |
| 10:05.53 | hardwire | I know |
| 10:05.54 | hardwire | she told me |
| 10:05.56 | JasonNJ | after 25 the whole frat boy thing has to stop |
| 10:05.58 | mandrake | in another life I dated her |
| 10:05.59 | mandrake | hehe |
| 10:06.06 | JasonNJ | I know people who are still doing it in their 30s though |
| 10:06.06 | hardwire | in a very very nother life I would to |
| 10:06.09 | mandrake | she wasn't quite the way she is now there |
| 10:06.17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah, 25 is a good boundary |
| 10:06.28 | chouimat | 25? |
| 10:06.29 | mandrake | hardwire: do I know you? |
| 10:06.32 | hardwire | mandrake: if you wanna chick that drools on unix.. thats her |
| 10:06.48 | mandrake | hardwire: I know a ton of very attractive women who love unix :) |
| 10:06.58 | kergoth | mandrake: bastard |
| 10:07.03 | mandrake | sherrod is not quite one of them |
| 10:07.05 | mandrake | hehe |
| 10:07.06 | hardwire | mandrake: no.. somehow girlvinyl showed up in one of my chat clients.. so I bugged her.. she ended up calling me after a while and we talked and she scared me .. then you were mentioned.. ti was all pretty funny |
| 10:07.17 | JasonNJ | I would not want to go out with any woman who "loves" unix |
| 10:07.19 | mandrake | yeah that's bizarre :) |
| 10:07.39 | hardwire | she is just plain freaky |
| 10:07.39 | JasonNJ | frankly unix people should not mate |
| 10:07.45 | chouimat | JasonNJ: don't try a psy |
| 10:07.57 | mandrake | yeah well I was in high school at the time |
| 10:07.58 | JasonNJ | although |
| 10:08.01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: but windows people should? egad man |
| 10:08.02 | mandrake | this was over 10 years ago :) |
| 10:08.03 | hardwire | haha |
| 10:08.08 | hardwire | she mentioned you helped her install debian? |
| 10:08.16 | mandrake | oh shit this was recently? |
| 10:08.19 | JasonNJ | what attracted me to my wife was that she told me she knew how to tweak her own win.ini file |
| 10:08.20 | mandrake | I helped her get X running |
| 10:08.20 | hardwire | :) |
| 10:08.31 | hardwire | yeah.. this was a few months back |
| 10:08.38 | JasonNJ | she met me when I was doing an OS/2 demo |
| 10:08.42 | hardwire | when I was hard up for phone sex with the wrong people |
| 10:08.42 | JasonNJ | so, i really shouldnt talk |
| 10:08.43 | hardwire | :) |
| 10:08.43 | kergoth | JasonNJ: haha |
| 10:08.52 | mandrake | ack |
| 10:08.52 | mandrake | TMI |
| 10:08.54 | neale | I'm going to have to agree with JasonNJ |
| 10:08.58 | hardwire | mandrake: just kidding man :_) |
| 10:09.04 | neale | unix people should not mate |
| 10:09.05 | chouimat | JasonNJ: hehe, what attracted me to my ex wife : she was a model :) |
| 10:09.09 | hardwire | neale :) |
| 10:09.15 | JasonNJ | well, we met during me doing the demo, but it was a pre arranged location... I wanted her to see I worked for a living |
| 10:09.17 | mandrake | I find it interesting that sherrod uses me as an in to geek guys |
| 10:09.20 | mandrake | hilarious |
| 10:09.24 | JasonNJ | I actually met her on Prodigy |
| 10:09.38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: oh my |
| 10:09.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:09.40 | mandrake | she knew me when I had a secret service van parked in front of my house :) |
| 10:09.43 | hardwire | mandrake: all I know is.. I wanna avoid the lower east coast now.. I think she can track people |
| 10:09.48 | JasonNJ | and on our first date, we saw Star Trek: Generations on openeing weekend and then went out for cheap mongolian food |
| 10:10.04 | JasonNJ | well, we didnt actually correspond on prodigy |
| 10:10.08 | JasonNJ | it was the personals section |
| 10:10.10 | mandrake | hardwire: yeah she showed up at a hacker convention I gave a speech at about 1.5 years ago |
| 10:10.11 | neale | mandrake: that's how people meet, they meet through friends. |
| 10:10.20 | hardwire | hmm |
| 10:10.24 | hardwire | you know.. that would be nice |
| 10:10.32 | mandrake | in atlanta (which is where she lives) |
| 10:10.37 | hardwire | I wonder if the secret service van accrossed the street is full of bikini clad chicks |
| 10:10.43 | mandrake | no no no |
| 10:11.11 | mandrake | yeah well a good friend of mines' father worked for lockheed and they thought we were selling secrets to the germans |
| 10:11.12 | mandrake | its a long story |
| 10:11.13 | neale | this is how you find chix0rz. You make friends with a girl (don't try to date her!) and then she introduces you to her friends. |
| 10:11.14 | JasonNJ | now, realize, that I had gone out with about a dozen women in that year prior to meeting my now wife, and took em out to expensive dates... at this point I was ready to give up |
| 10:11.22 | hardwire | mandrake: hahaha |
| 10:11.29 | JasonNJ | so I figured I had to try a different strategy |
| 10:11.43 | JasonNJ | six months later we were engaged |
| 10:11.45 | JasonNJ | pretty scary |
| 10:11.50 | hardwire | JasonNJ bastard |
| 10:12.01 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 10:12.08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: bastard |
| 10:12.25 | JasonNJ | seriously though, you dont want to go out with women who are TOO much into computers |
| 10:12.31 | chouimat | hardwire: for how long? |
| 10:12.36 | mandrake | JasonNJ: I think you're wrong. |
| 10:12.43 | hardwire | chouimat: heh.. uhm.. really long :) |
| 10:12.52 | JasonNJ | mandrake: does your wife code? |
| 10:12.56 | mandrake | JasonNJ: not really |
| 10:13.00 | JasonNJ | well. |
| 10:13.03 | JasonNJ | case in point. |
| 10:13.11 | mandrake | I've dated some girls who could however |
| 10:13.14 | mandrake | and we had a great time together :) |
| 10:13.16 | JasonNJ | DATED |
| 10:13.22 | benmeyer | eh, find a good center of ones who don't fear tech |
| 10:13.28 | JasonNJ | the operative word in past tense |
| 10:13.29 | benmeyer | seems to work for me |
| 10:13.38 | hardwire | so where can I drop ship myself into a unixchick hacker convention? |
| 10:13.41 | chouimat | JasonNJ: true, nothing better than arguing about Nietzsche philosophy after sex |
| 10:13.56 | mandrake | hardwire: you kinda missed the boat on the linux chicks thing |
| 10:14.05 | hardwire | they all grew up? |
| 10:14.08 | benmeyer | goto CSH |
| 10:14.08 | hardwire | ?? |
| 10:14.08 | mandrake | you missed it by a couple of years |
| 10:14.09 | JasonNJ | linux chicks creep me out |
| 10:14.17 | mandrake | JasonNJ: no, mae ling creeps you out. |
| 10:14.26 | JasonNJ | HE TOLD YOU? |
| 10:14.28 | hardwire | heh |
| 10:14.37 | benmeyer | I met chicks there who in their spare time code on XFree86 |
| 10:14.37 | hardwire | ok |
| 10:14.38 | hardwire | hmm |
| 10:14.43 | mandrake | JasonNJ: oh god tell me you're kidding |
| 10:14.47 | mandrake | you didn't touch her did you? |
| 10:14.49 | mandrake | that's disgusting |
| 10:14.55 | JasonNJ | actually Mae Ling is not bad looking but I sure as hell would not date her |
| 10:15.00 | JasonNJ | I'm not her type anyways |
| 10:15.07 | mandrake | I've seen her do some very fucked up things |
| 10:15.15 | JasonNJ | mandrake: I had this discussion with Tony G. a few months ago |
| 10:15.19 | mandrake | hahaha |
| 10:15.29 | JasonNJ | when we were hanging out outside the convention hall with ling and mehat |
| 10:15.37 | Wintre | Mae Ling? Is that the goth-looking chick who was wandering around ALS in 2000? |
| 10:15.38 | mandrake | I got her all pissed at me for a check I put in the configure script for E |
| 10:15.44 | mandrake | hehehehe |
| 10:15.58 | mandrake | you read the comp.os.linux.advocacy thing right? |
| 10:16.05 | mandrake | the whole mike maher redhat story? |
| 10:16.06 | JasonNJ | Wintre: former columnist for the ill fated Maximum Linux magazine |
| 10:16.09 | mandrake | god damn that was hilarious |
| 10:16.14 | Wintre | Jason: sounds like the one |
| 10:16.18 | mandrake | Wintre: yes |
| 10:16.23 | mandrake | she goes to all the shows |
| 10:16.23 | JasonNJ | mandrake: I try to stay away from usenet |
| 10:16.31 | mandrake | JasonNJ: yeah but you can't have missed this |
| 10:16.42 | JasonNJ | after the OS/2 wars I left entirely |
| 10:16.42 | mandrake | hehe |
| 10:16.45 | JasonNJ | thats back in 95 |
| 10:16.59 | mandrake | I haven't posted on usenet I don't think since about 96 |
| 10:17.03 | JasonNJ | I lurk from time to time |
| 10:17.09 | JasonNJ | I havent heard this story |
| 10:17.10 | mandrake | oh wait I posted a few things to the x newsgroups a couple years ago |
| 10:17.13 | hardwire | this talk is not curing my lack of girl |
| 10:17.16 | hardwire | heh |
| 10:17.23 | Wintre | mandrake: And soaks up all the attention I'm sure |
| 10:17.27 | chouimat | not my type |
| 10:17.32 | kergoth | hardwire: eh, you expected it to? |
| 10:17.34 | kergoth | ibot: lart hardwire |
| 10:17.42 | hardwire | kergoth: I wanted to learn the secrets |
| 10:17.43 | JasonNJ | hardwire: take a shower and get a job, buy some nice clothes, that will cure it |
| 10:17.48 | neale | so hardwire |
| 10:17.53 | hardwire | what neale? |
| 10:18.00 | JasonNJ | and dont talk about computers on your dates |
| 10:18.03 | neale | kergoth and I were just talking about the killer app for the Z |
| 10:18.08 | JasonNJ | like, get into wine, cooking, or something |
| 10:18.13 | hardwire | the? |
| 10:18.18 | neale | we need a combination office assistant/tamagothic |
| 10:18.18 | JasonNJ | start reading womens magazines |
| 10:18.28 | chouimat | hardwire: try speaking about fashion .... |
| 10:18.29 | neale | <kergoth> you could bribe it |
| 10:18.30 | hardwire | JasonNJ I shower.. am self employed.. and have some moderatly nice clothes |
| 10:18.32 | neale | <kergoth> try to feed it so it doesnt burn your shit |
| 10:18.35 | neale | <kergoth> yeah, you feed it spare .doc files |
| 10:18.47 | chouimat | and by nice with women |
| 10:18.53 | hardwire | hahah |
| 10:18.54 | JasonNJ | hardwire: then you are doing something wrong |
| 10:19.02 | hardwire | JasonNJ: not leaving the house probably |
| 10:19.02 | JasonNJ | because I am hideous looking and I got dates |
| 10:19.08 | hardwire | I have no phat ride |
| 10:19.09 | neale | so we need pingizauru sprites for this |
| 10:19.12 | kergoth | hardwire: i have that problem |
| 10:19.13 | mandrake | wine is a good thing to be into |
| 10:19.18 | neale | :) |
| 10:19.24 | kergoth | hardwire: i'm clean, have a job, and a house, but need to find people |
| 10:19.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:19.25 | mandrake | I have a nice cellar full of wine at home |
| 10:19.25 | hardwire | neale :) |
| 10:19.27 | JasonNJ | mandrake: you into wine? |
| 10:19.31 | mandrake | JasonNJ: of course. |
| 10:19.37 | JasonNJ | you should check out my wine and food website |
| 10:19.37 | mandrake | what self-respecting person isn't into good wine? |
| 10:19.38 | hardwire | kergoth: I got it.. |
| 10:19.43 | JasonNJ | egullet.com |
| 10:19.44 | hardwire | we both go to an animecon |
| 10:19.46 | hardwire | you Ryu |
| 10:19.47 | Twiun | kergoth: I could do with a pingi holding a cup of java too ;-) |
| 10:19.48 | hardwire | I can go as Ken |
| 10:19.51 | chouimat | kergoth: my current problem is : I got only one night |
| 10:19.51 | kergoth | hardwire: aha |
| 10:20.02 | hardwire | then we fight over chun li |
| 10:20.04 | mandrake | JasonNJ: I bought up most of the remainder of the '97 silver oak :) |
| 10:20.08 | JasonNJ | mandrake: you like italians an alsatians |
| 10:20.09 | hardwire | TO THE DEATH FOR NOOKIE |
| 10:20.11 | kergoth | hardwire: you're just scaring me now |
| 10:20.12 | mandrake | AND I got them to ship them to me |
| 10:20.14 | chouimat | hardwire: try smoking cigare too |
| 10:20.18 | JasonNJ | oh chardonnay hell no |
| 10:20.22 | hardwire | haha |
| 10:20.25 | mandrake | silver oak is not chardonnay |
| 10:20.30 | JasonNJ | its not? |
| 10:20.33 | mandrake | nup |
| 10:20.36 | hardwire | hmm |
| 10:20.38 | JasonNJ | it friggin sounds like one |
| 10:20.39 | mandrake | they have two vineyards |
| 10:20.41 | hardwire | I went to safeway yesterday |
| 10:20.42 | hardwire | during the day |
| 10:20.43 | JasonNJ | its got oak in the name! |
| 10:20.49 | mandrake | but they both produce cabernet |
| 10:20.50 | hardwire | it was scary |
| 10:20.57 | hardwire | 15 single mom cougars |
| 10:21.04 | JasonNJ | cab sauv is ok |
| 10:21.13 | hardwire | I basically ran for what I wanted then sprinted back to the express checkout line |
| 10:21.14 | JasonNJ | I'm more of a pinot noir guy |
| 10:21.15 | kergoth | mmm cognac |
| 10:21.24 | JasonNJ | bas armagnac |
| 10:21.25 | hash | anyone use their wcf11 on their notebook? |
| 10:21.26 | JasonNJ | calvados |
| 10:21.29 | JasonNJ | now THAT is the shit. |
| 10:21.30 | mandrake | between a 97 alexander silver oak and a 95 haut brion |
| 10:21.32 | JasonNJ | and aged rum |
| 10:21.38 | mandrake | those are my two favorite wines of all time |
| 10:21.47 | treke | hash: did you install the orinico_cs drivers? |
| 10:21.52 | mandrake | the 95 haut brion costs about 320 a bottle these days though, so I'm saving all I have still |
| 10:22.01 | chouimat | JasonNJ: porto is great |
| 10:22.04 | JasonNJ | heh |
| 10:22.04 | kergoth | hash: you get install the hostap drivers.. they work pretty well |
| 10:22.12 | hash | treke: i installed the linux-wlan driver... |
| 10:22.24 | JasonNJ | porto is very great, but you cant drink em unless they are 30 years old, particulary vintage porto |
| 10:22.39 | hash | hostap? |
| 10:22.40 | kergoth | hash: s/get/can/ |
| 10:22.43 | JasonNJ | I have some 1963's and 1977's |
| 10:22.46 | kergoth | hash: hostap is the driver we use on the Z |
| 10:22.57 | kergoth | hash: works well in general, and supports HostAP mode |
| 10:22.58 | mandrake | one of the few things the stock market did for me is established a very nice large wine cellar for me complete with temperature control :) |
| 10:23.01 | hash | anyway, if i plug the card in, i see wlan0 in ifconfig -a |
| 10:23.05 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I speak when you try to meet a chick in a bar, every body drink beers |
| 10:23.07 | JasonNJ | tawny's you can drink at 10, but I dont like em |
| 10:23.13 | hardwire | and CIDER! |
| 10:23.28 | JasonNJ | depends what age group you are in |
| 10:23.28 | hardwire | and pyramid hef! |
| 10:23.30 | hardwire | whoot! |
| 10:23.32 | kergoth | hardwire: cider is good, after you recommended that K i picked some up |
| 10:23.34 | kergoth | good shit |
| 10:23.38 | JasonNJ | as soon as you hit 25 you better start learning wine |
| 10:23.39 | hardwire | its kinky eh! |
| 10:23.42 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I'm 28 |
| 10:23.42 | kergoth | yeh |
| 10:23.51 | mandrake | if you want to find some cheaper wines that you can afford to drink on a regular basis |
| 10:23.52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: eh, damnit, i dont want to learn wine |
| 10:23.53 | hardwire | kergoth: I went to their site.. the sent me some shwag |
| 10:23.56 | hardwire | I have a big K poster |
| 10:24.01 | kergoth | hardwire: haha, nice |
| 10:24.06 | JasonNJ | mandrake: german wines are a huge value |
| 10:24.09 | mandrake | 1) Cinnabar Merlot - a bottle of 2000 will run you about 17 bucks |
| 10:24.12 | JasonNJ | as are a lot of italians |
| 10:24.20 | JasonNJ | Alsatian wines are really good values too |
| 10:24.21 | chouimat | guys: try a Snake Bite: Ale, Cider and Cassis liquor |
| 10:24.27 | hardwire | bah |
| 10:24.39 | hardwire | rattlesnake.. half cider first.. then gently distribute guiness on top |
| 10:24.39 | mandrake | 2) Luce makes a Lucente which is a nice blend (italian, basically the same as luce but cheaper) that you can get for about 34 bucks |
| 10:24.43 | JasonNJ | there are awesome pinot noirs coming from oregon now |
| 10:24.55 | hardwire | like over the top of a spoon |
| 10:24.57 | chouimat | hardwire: that too |
| 10:25.02 | hardwire | man that is nummers! |
| 10:25.09 | mandrake | 3) if you like champagne, Veuve Cliquot (~36 bucks?) is the way to go |
| 10:25.09 | hardwire | and its all seperated |
| 10:25.11 | kergoth | er, cider and guinness? i gotta try that |
| 10:25.14 | JasonNJ | NO! |
| 10:25.14 | kergoth | floater eh |
| 10:25.17 | JasonNJ | not agent orange |
| 10:25.21 | hardwire | heh |
| 10:25.23 | JasonNJ | Veuve Cliquot, are you insane? |
| 10:25.26 | chouimat | hardwire: you can also try a velvet pussy: Guiness and Porto |
| 10:25.27 | hardwire | cider stays on the bottom |
| 10:25.29 | hardwire | the guiness floats |
| 10:25.35 | hardwire | chouimatL haha |
| 10:25.37 | JasonNJ | non vintage bollinger man |
| 10:25.38 | hardwire | damn you dude |
| 10:25.41 | kergoth | lol |
| 10:25.44 | mandrake | JasonNJ: it's good stuff. their vintages are amazing, the standard isn't bad either |
| 10:25.44 | JasonNJ | veuve cliquot tastes like ass |
| 10:25.45 | hardwire | don't talk like that to me in this state |
| 10:25.49 | prpplague | chouimat: nice one |
| 10:25.50 | mandrake | JasonNJ: no way |
| 10:25.56 | JasonNJ | its got sulfites coming out the ying yang! |
| 10:25.57 | kergoth | chouimat: i gotta try that |
| 10:25.59 | chouimat | prpplague: very good |
| 10:26.08 | hardwire | the best rattlesnake to have is with Woodchuck granny smith apple cider |
| 10:26.10 | hardwire | and guiness |
| 10:26.18 | hardwire | mmmmm |
| 10:26.21 | mandrake | if you want cheaper 'sparkling white' (aka champagne that isn't from champagne) a cheap table wine you can go with is maybe prosecco, which is italian and about 11 bucks a bottle |
| 10:26.27 | [MiniMe] | I love gprs |
| 10:26.27 | hardwire | spumante |
| 10:26.28 | hardwire | heh |
| 10:26.33 | prpplague | chouimat: i've been doing half-n-half's with guinness and negra modelo |
| 10:26.40 | JasonNJ | in terms of domestic champagne one of the best things you can have is Argyle's NV stuff.. about 20 a bottle |
| 10:26.46 | JasonNJ | also from oregon |
| 10:26.50 | JasonNJ | top ratings in wine spectator |
| 10:26.56 | hardwire | there are some very weird colorado wines |
| 10:26.58 | chouimat | prpplague: I got a mother-in-law last week: Old & Bitter beer |
| 10:27.01 | JasonNJ | Veuve Cliquot... yuck |
| 10:27.09 | mandrake | JasonNJ: yes, but wine spectator also rates stuff out of south africa well. and south african wine tastes like cow patties. |
| 10:27.25 | JasonNJ | I sometimes get it as a gift, I use it for mimosas on news years day brunches |
| 10:27.31 | prpplague | chouimat: lol |
| 10:27.35 | mandrake | EVERY south african wine I've had tastes like fucking grass |
| 10:27.37 | mandrake | literally |
| 10:27.41 | mandrake | too green for me |
| 10:27.46 | hardwire | mwa ha haha |
| 10:27.48 | JasonNJ | hold a sec, let me forward you something. |
| 10:27.53 | kergoth | eck, mimosa |
| 10:27.53 | JasonNJ | whats your email |
| 10:27.57 | mandrake | me? |
| 10:27.58 | kergoth | geh |
| 10:27.59 | mandrake | mandrake@mandrake.net |
| 10:28.00 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 10:28.26 | mandrake | also if sprint fixes my fucking cellphone phone@mandrake.net |
| 10:28.26 | mandrake | heh |
| 10:28.35 | mandrake | but my phone net connection is broken |
| 10:28.36 | mandrake | bastards |
| 10:29.46 | hash | anyone want to trade a dwl-650+ for another card? |
| 10:29.51 | hardwire | no |
| 10:29.52 | hardwire | heh |
| 10:30.24 | mandrake | okay I gotta go buy a new headset |
| 10:30.25 | mandrake | bbiab |
| 10:30.34 | hardwire | priorities |
| 10:30.39 | prpplague | hash: thats kinda like asking someone to trade herpes |
| 10:30.44 | kergoth | lol |
| 10:30.46 | hardwire | gross |
| 10:30.50 | hash | prpplague: thanks.... T_T |
| 10:30.56 | wParam | that was a wierd line to enter on... |
| 10:30.57 | kergoth | hm |
| 10:31.02 | kergoth | i should do some real work so i dont get canned |
| 10:31.29 | hardwire | hmm |
| 10:31.34 | chouimat | kergoth: so you would pretend to use your psychic powers |
| 10:31.35 | hardwire | I should do some real work so I don't live in a box |
| 10:31.43 | [MiniMe] | yeah |
| 10:31.44 | [MiniMe] | real work |
| 10:32.43 | hardwire | hmm |
| 10:32.48 | hardwire | I need to order a pizza |
| 10:33.12 | chouimat | hardwire: I will get a cup of MSG later |
| 10:33.23 | hardwire | you gonna msg me? |
| 10:33.31 | chouimat | hardwire: no ramen |
| 10:33.32 | scanline | hi hardwire |
| 10:33.37 | hardwire | or did you wanna fill me with mono sodium glutimate? |
| 10:33.44 | hardwire | hi scanline |
| 10:33.48 | hardwire | want some of chouimat's MSG? |
| 10:33.56 | scanline | nah, I got a closet full of that stuff |
| 10:34.00 | hardwire | haha |
| 10:34.01 | kergoth | lol |
| 10:34.22 | hardwire | I need to make my desk deeper today |
| 10:34.27 | chouimat | ramen noodle the major part of hacker alimentation |
| 10:34.32 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 10:34.32 | kergoth | ramen rocks |
| 10:34.33 | hardwire | I have the top to another desk that I need to saw |
| 10:34.36 | benmeyer | ramen does rock |
| 10:34.37 | hardwire | but I have no saw |
| 10:34.38 | hardwire | :( |
| 10:34.45 | hardwire | I could walk down the street and borrow one |
| 10:34.47 | benmeyer | and when you are done with the noodles you have soup! |
| 10:34.54 | hardwire | then walk back in the suburbs carrying a huge saw |
| 10:35.06 | hash | so the orinoco_cs driver in the kernel should work also? |
| 10:35.10 | chouimat | benmeyer: and cheese in that soup |
| 10:35.18 | chouimat | benmeyer: add cheese in that soup |
| 10:35.22 | hardwire | heh |
| 10:35.34 | JasonNJ | well, technically, the liquid in cup o ramen's might be called soup, but its closer to liquid MSG |
| 10:35.35 | kergoth | hash: there are any number of drivers that support prism2/2.5 cards |
| 10:35.38 | JasonNJ | I do like them though |
| 10:36.31 | hardwire | then I can afford a car :) |
| 10:36.31 | kergoth | hardwire: damn you and your moneymaking endeavors |
| 10:36.31 | chouimat | hmmm I need to check on that 70 point VPN sell |
| 10:36.31 | hardwire | I have around $50,000 of time invested in most of the stuff I am helping out with |
| 10:36.35 | hardwire | and lord knows how much on my own projects |
| 10:36.50 | hardwire | so as soon as we get funding I have $50,000 and then more money from then on |
| 10:37.18 | hardwire | which means I can sit at home |
| 10:37.20 | hardwire | and buy hookers |
| 10:37.23 | hardwire | :) |
| 10:37.27 | chouimat | hardwire: I have 2 projects of 100,000$ awaiting gov approval |
| 10:37.31 | hardwire | and continue research |
| 10:37.39 | hardwire | chouimat: woot! |
| 10:37.56 | hardwire | but the $50,000 is time.. not materials |
| 10:38.21 | hardwire | damn government is gonna want most of it |
| 10:38.22 | hardwire | :( |
| 10:38.31 | chouimat | hardwire: me too, just the OS and application part. (those project are evaluated at 2 millions each) |
| 10:38.35 | hardwire | I could pay myself over time and pay less in taxes |
| 10:38.44 | hardwire | chouimat nice :) |
| 10:39.10 | chouimat | hardwire: ARM based stuff |
| 10:39.23 | hardwire | the submersible project is looking to do $18 million in presales (atleast this guy thinks he can) |
| 10:39.45 | hardwire | which would be freaking unbelievable |
| 10:40.01 | chouimat | hardwire: One of the project is for the forest industry and the other is for farmer |
| 10:40.14 | hardwire | remote monitoring statinos? |
| 10:40.16 | hardwire | stations :) |
| 10:40.25 | hardwire | or handheld communications? |
| 10:40.39 | hardwire | if you need help with anything wireless.. I am your biznatch :) |
| 10:40.53 | chouimat | hardwire: no, forest industry. on site board making :) |
| 10:41.16 | hardwire | wonders :) |
| 10:41.24 | hardwire | whats on site board making? |
| 10:41.30 | hardwire | ibot stab tux_mike |
| 10:41.30 | | hardwire: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 10:41.33 | hardwire | NOO! |
| 10:41.35 | hardwire | bastard bot |
| 10:42.04 | chouimat | hardwire: A automated big saw that cut the log |
| 10:42.17 | hardwire | you are killing the trees! |
| 10:42.27 | hardwire | eh |
| 10:42.33 | hardwire | I bet you hear that a lot :) |
| 10:43.20 | chouimat | hardwire: heh they ask me to do the software, basically monitoring sensors |
| 10:43.27 | hardwire | :) |
| 10:43.51 | hardwire | anyhoot |
| 10:43.53 | hardwire | I should order a pizza |
| 10:44.02 | greenbus | !seen noidd |
| 10:44.19 | greenbus | ibot seen noidd? |
| 10:44.19 | | greenbus: i haven't seen 'noidd' |
| 10:44.26 | greenbus | you have |
| 10:44.36 | greenbus | he was on a week or so ago |
| 10:44.56 | hardwire | greenbus if he was on a week or so ago.. why do you ask if you know? |
| 10:44.58 | hardwire | heh |
| 10:45.12 | greenbus | I wanted to know if had been on more recently than that |
| 10:45.17 | hardwire | silly me! |
| 10:45.34 | hardwire | scanline: snag the newest mplayer and enable blinkenlights support :) |
| 10:45.48 | scanline | not now.. got class soon |
| 10:45.49 | greenbus | he's abroad and I don't know if he has net access there |
| 10:46.01 | mandrake | cool |
| 10:46.08 | mandrake | now I have a belt-clip headset mic |
| 10:46.35 | greenbus | it rolls up into a belt clip? |
| 10:46.52 | mandrake | yup |
| 10:47.02 | greenbus | sounds useful |
| 10:47.13 | greenbus | are you using voip on the zaurus? |
| 10:47.22 | mandrake | now I just have to rig my phone carrying case to be a little more friendly to answering the phone while it's still on my belt |
| 10:47.25 | mandrake | no this is actually a CE phone :) |
| 10:47.32 | greenbus | ahh |
| 10:47.37 | greenbus | eww |
| 10:47.46 | mandrake | I got it cuz I can write my own cellphone app |
| 10:47.51 | chouimat | grrrr. |
| 10:48.12 | mandrake | and since I'm already writing CE code for work it doesn't phase me too bad |
| 10:48.50 | greenbus | handy if you're already doing that kind of thing |
| 10:49.05 | greenbus | I've just found my old Palm IIIx |
| 10:49.16 | greenbus | the batteries lasted for 3 months |
| 10:49.22 | greenbus | who needs colour and a back light :) |
| 10:49.55 | JasonNJ | hey, I have a CE phone |
| 10:50.00 | JasonNJ | they are pretty cool. |
| 10:50.06 | mandrake | JasonNJ: yes they are. |
| 10:50.12 | JasonNJ | Course a linux one would be better, but still. |
| 10:50.20 | greenbus | Is this like a Journada 928? |
| 10:50.25 | mandrake | my phone is a toshiba 2032 |
| 10:50.30 | mandrake | it's like an ipaq with a builtin cellphone |
| 10:50.35 | mandrake | it's the same as the audiovox thera |
| 10:50.43 | JasonNJ | mine is a Tmobile, also called a O2 XDA in europe |
| 10:51.47 | mandrake | JasonNJ: the only real issue I have is that it's loud enough to be a speakerphone all the time unless I put in the headset |
| 10:51.55 | mandrake | which is why I now have a fulltime headset :) |
| 10:53.13 | mandrake | and why having it attached at my belt was important |
| 10:53.30 | mandrake | since answering the phone on speaker sucks |
| 10:53.35 | mandrake | although apparently people couldn't tell it was speaker |
| 10:53.43 | greenbus | not bad |
| 10:54.15 | Cloudchaser | be nice if the z could do all those cool things ;) |
| 10:54.30 | mandrake | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1394593407 - theres pics of my phone |
| 10:57.31 | hardwire | that must look weird |
| 10:57.43 | hardwire | answering and your face glows |
| 10:57.51 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 10:58.27 | treke | hmm. put linux on there and it might be nice :) |
| 10:58.34 | hardwire | and hard to dial |
| 10:58.39 | Cloudchaser | so...if a ce device can do phone..why can't z do phone with a card? |
| 10:59.36 | hardwire | http://www.bit-tech.net/article/95/2 <- funky case mod |
| 10:59.50 | treke | Cloudchaser: Can you record and play sound at the same time on the z? |
| 11:00.22 | Cloudchaser | hmmm.. i don't know but i don't think so |
| 11:01.04 | Cloudchaser | could it treke? |
| 11:01.17 | Cloudchaser | if it can't than that z meeting would be useless |
| 11:01.18 | treke | dunno. that's why I'm asking :) |
| 11:01.28 | hardwire | Rental Queue You have 42 movies in your |
| 11:01.29 | hardwire | Rental Queue. |
| 11:01.29 | Cloudchaser | and voip wouldn't work too well either |
| 11:01.31 | hardwire | BAH |
| 11:01.38 | greenbus | you can plug a mic into a z |
| 11:01.56 | greenbus | a sound recording program comes with it |
| 11:02.00 | hardwire | its full duplex |
| 11:02.15 | Cloudchaser | so it *should* work just fine then |
| 11:02.21 | treke | sounds like it |
| 11:02.27 | Cloudchaser | so..are there cf phone cards? |
| 11:02.31 | hardwire | hmm |
| 11:02.39 | hardwire | nickserv joined so it can kick me |
| 11:02.40 | hardwire | :) |
| 11:02.44 | hardwire | err chanserv |
| 11:03.49 | Cloudchaser | hiya max |
| 11:04.01 | msmax | Hi here ;) |
| 11:05.20 | Twiun | hey max ;-) |
| 11:05.27 | kergoth | hey max |
| 11:07.53 | msmax | anybody have SL-A300? i have some trouble when i try make ethernet connections from Mandrake to A300. my Z work fine, but A300 not work ;( |
| 11:08.56 | Cloudchaser | hmm..not sure how many in here have a300 max |
| 11:11.09 | msmax | it yes, but al may be, i want to try ;) |
| 11:12.07 | Cloudchaser | is it usb or with a cf ethernet card? |
| 11:13.03 | msmax | usb |
| 11:16.32 | mandrake | JasonNJ: btw I agree about dom being kinda vile. |
| 11:16.47 | mandrake | JasonNJ: although you're nuts about veuve being icky. I love it. |
| 11:17.19 | mandrake | JasonNJ: when you said agent orange I kinda assumed you meant grand mariner :) |
| 11:17.38 | mandrake | JasonNJ: although I do drink that, it is just an acquired taste :) |
| 11:49.06 | Cloud_grumpy | sorry.. it was a joke in another channel |
| 11:49.18 | Cloud_grumpy | i forgot name changes in all channels :) |
| 11:49.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 11:50.20 | hash | dont worry, we'll only peal your skin off and rip all the muscle off of your body |
| 11:52.10 | kergoth | hash: shhh, you're not supposed to *warn* them |
| 11:52.40 | Twiun | kergoth: but you want them to enjoy the anticipation |
| 11:57.53 | tboc | btw. i wonder if you could exchange the flourescent tube of the Z with some SMD LEDs to minimize the current drain =) |
| 11:58.32 | aj2911 | Hello, First time IRC user, Nu-bee Z user :) |
| 12:00.08 | aj2911 | joined this channel to see if anyone can help me find Z sync software for linux desktop. Looks like the CD that came with it has nothing on it (or am I wrong ?) !! I am using RH 8.0 / KDE and MD9.0/KDE |
| 12:01.12 | Wintre | aj2911: http://www.trolltech.com/developer/download/qtopia.html |
| 12:01.33 | aj2911 | thanks Wintre :) I will check it out |
| 12:20.08 | NetAmp | ghehehe |
| 12:20.10 | NetAmp | g'day |
| 12:20.18 | NetAmp | check out THIS commercial: |
| 12:20.19 | NetAmp | http://img.hebus.com/celebrites_f_photos/linux_girls/linux_girls_009.jpg |
| 12:20.45 | NetAmp | beats microsoft's teletubbie style commercials, doesn't it ;) |
| 12:25.48 | hash | ;,,; |
| 12:26.29 | chouimat | hmmmmmmm naked chick |
| 12:26.35 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 12:26.57 | chouimat | hmmmmmmm naked chick |
| 12:27.19 | Twiun | lol |
| 12:27.24 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 12:27.26 | Twiun | gotta show the gf |
| 12:27.32 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 12:27.50 | Twiun | hmmm... maybe not the best move |
| 12:27.51 | kergoth | lol |
| 12:27.55 | NetAmp | oh oh, his gf's got him WHAT HAVE I DONE! |
| 12:28.04 | NetAmp | nooooooooooo |
| 12:28.21 | NetAmp | kergoth, wizard of OZ, you gotta save him! |
| 12:28.49 | NetAmp | *grin* |
| 12:30.17 | NetAmp | oww I gotta watch 24 |
| 12:31.12 | ljp_work | brute reality- there is no wizard of Oz.... and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! |
| 12:31.38 | NetAmp | nooooo |
| 12:31.50 | NetAmp | you mean... there IS no wizard of oz? :o |
| 12:31.59 | NetAmp | You can't be serious! |
| 12:32.22 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 12:33.02 | chouimat | wooo! The Odyssey is on kazaa |
| 12:33.07 | NetAmp | it is? |
| 12:33.12 | NetAmp | congratulations ;) |
| 12:33.24 | chouimat | NetAmp: :P |
| 12:33.29 | NetAmp | I gotta split, I'm way weird today |
| 12:33.30 | NetAmp | have fun! |
| 13:26.48 | mark | chouimat: the odyssey? as in Homer? |
| 13:27.36 | chouimat | mark: no Symphony X new album |
| 13:34.48 | mark | chouimat: oh, right :) |
| 13:34.52 | mark | ibot: een bigboss |
| 13:34.52 | | mark: no idea |
| 13:34.55 | mark | ibot: seen bigboss |
| 13:34.55 | | bigboss <~shawn@ip68-4-243-218.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 4h 20m 10s ago, saying: 'Anybody Listening'. |
| 13:34.57 | mark | grr |
| 14:02.02 | M-Yoda | list |
| 14:02.31 | kergoth | bash: list: command not found |
| 14:02.48 | M-Yoda | sorry.. I'm trying to learn BitchX :( |
| 14:03.16 | M-Yoda | it should have been "/list" :) |
| 14:06.07 | M-Yoda | elp |
| 14:06.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:32.37 | crackotter | I recently installed Red Hat 8.0 and upgraded the kernel to 2.4.18-17.. Anyone know how I can get the USB thernet connectivty back up?? |
| 14:33.29 | benmeyer | use the src rpm |
| 14:33.35 | benmeyer | www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 14:35.14 | crackotter | benmeyer: Isn't that src RPM for Red Hat 7.3 with kernel 2.4.18-5 ?? |
| 14:35.39 | benmeyer | hmmm bla true |
| 14:35.49 | benmeyer | they guy from redhat said it would work |
| 14:35.57 | benmeyer | offtopic: don't you jsut want one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2067802747 |
| 14:37.08 | crackotter | benmeyer: I am about using source for a diffent kernel.. Want to have to reinstall :) |
| 14:37.37 | crackotter | I mean don't want to reinstall .. blah |
| 14:38.02 | kergoth | um |
| 14:38.05 | kergoth | its an src.rpm |
| 14:38.12 | kergoth | it should build against whatever kernel sources you have installed |
| 14:38.18 | kergoth | using the /usr/src/linux-2.4 link |
| 14:38.34 | kergoth | rpm --rebuild is your friend |
| 14:39.22 | crackotter | how would I run that Kergoth?? sorry.. don't do much kernel compiling.. would I just do rpm -rebuild <src file here> |
| 14:39.33 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:39.37 | kergoth | its --rebuild, not -rebuild |
| 14:40.18 | benmeyer | and if it does work e-mail me the new rpm and I will post it |
| 14:40.35 | tux_mike | kerg: i think its -rebuild in rh8 |
| 14:40.40 | kergoth | if it doesnt work we can alter the src.rpm to fix it |
| 14:40.41 | kergoth | tux_mike: no |
| 14:40.44 | kergoth | tux_mike: its rpmbuild --rebuild in rh8 |
| 14:40.50 | kergoth | tux_mike: split out into the seperate binary |
| 14:40.50 | tux_mike | ah, right |
| 14:41.30 | tux_mike | i hate that |
| 14:41.30 | kergoth | me too |
| 14:41.30 | kergoth | screwed up all our installation guides |
| 14:41.30 | kergoth | had to make redhat 8 specific versions |
| 14:41.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:41.30 | tux_mike | get everyone used to one way and bam! new way of doing shit |
| 14:41.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:41.37 | kergoth | tux_mike: i see why they did it though, there really are an assload of build options |
| 14:42.28 | tux_mike | i hope i can get kde cvs to load |
| 14:42.36 | tux_mike | s/load/compile |
| 14:43.33 | br33zy | heh |
| 14:45.53 | crackotter | after I rebuild the RPM do I need to do a rpm -i of the RPM? |
| 14:47.18 | benmeyer | yup |
| 14:47.41 | tux_mike | -Uvh is better than -i |
| 14:54.46 | crackotter | I do a "rpmbuild --rebuild kernel-zaurus-RH7.3-5.src.rpm" then go into my /usr/src/linux directory and do a "make menuconfig" and the USBD driver is still not a option.. any ideas? |
| 14:55.38 | kergoth | eh? |
| 14:55.42 | treke | that doesnt sound like the correct process to me |
| 14:55.45 | kergoth | it wont be |
| 14:55.49 | kergoth | rpm --rebuild builds a binary rpm |
| 14:55.55 | kergoth | in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386 or i686 generally |
| 14:55.57 | kergoth | rpm -i that binary rpm |
| 14:56.04 | crackotter | kergoth Ok .. thanx |
| 14:57.50 | hardwire | blah |
| 14:58.54 | crackotter | Ok.. installed the binary.. still nada.. |
| 15:01.23 | crackotter | The Z is showing up as ETH1 instead of USB0 |
| 15:02.10 | benmeyer | kergoth: why type of specs do you need to the radio? |
| 15:02.19 | benmeyer | > What kind of specs would you need? I will forward those onto the factory |
| 15:02.19 | benmeyer | > and hopefully will have a reply shortly. |
| 15:03.30 | benmeyer | I have forwarded it to you |
| 15:03.33 | benmeyer | heading home |
| 15:03.34 | benmeyer | night |
| 15:06.23 | crackotter | going to try rebooting and see if it comes up as USB0 instead of ETH1 .. brb |
| 15:11.44 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 15:11.53 | kolla | kergoth: what radio was ben talking about? |
| 15:12.04 | kergoth | kolla: CF radio |
| 15:12.11 | kergoth | kolla: FM |
| 15:12.19 | kolla | cool |
| 15:12.30 | kergoth | he's doing the qtopia frontend, i'm doing the device driver |
| 15:12.37 | kolla | for Z? exactly what I miss :)) |
| 15:12.43 | kolla | cf card? |
| 15:12.47 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:12.48 | treke | compact flash radio? |
| 15:12.51 | treke | yummmy |
| 15:12.53 | kergoth | treke: yep |
| 15:12.55 | kergoth | cf fm radio |
| 15:12.58 | kergoth | seems pretty spiffy |
| 15:13.04 | treke | how much? |
| 15:13.06 | kergoth | anyone here know awk well? |
| 15:13.16 | kergoth | i need to check if a external file exists, from an awk script |
| 15:13.24 | kolla | way, I was talking about it for a friend yesterday :) |
| 15:13.41 | DaJoker | kergoth: why awk? |
| 15:13.58 | kolla | combo radio/lots of ram would be cool |
| 15:14.03 | kergoth | DaJoker: just because thats what i used for this. was a quick and dirty script |
| 15:14.21 | DaJoker | dirtier I'll give ya |
| 15:14.24 | kergoth | DaJoker: shouldve used perl, since i already depend on it heavily in this buildsystem, but what the hell |
| 15:14.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:14.39 | DaJoker | would have been easier to just use shell |
| 15:15.05 | kergoth | not really |
| 15:15.10 | kolla | any DAB radios avaible as well? the DAB system is quite well deployed here |
| 15:15.16 | kergoth | I needed tokenizing by column |
| 15:15.22 | kergoth | and didnt feel like playing games with cut |
| 15:15.40 | treke | kergoth: how much for the card? |
| 15:15.40 | DaJoker | but cut is soooo cool |
| 15:15.42 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 15:15.44 | kergoth | bah |
| 15:15.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:15.47 | kergoth | treke: not sure |
| 15:17.12 | kolla | kergoth: I've been pondering on building a radio&equalizer to put between Z and headphones |
| 15:17.51 | kolla | like those remote controls on some discman |
| 15:18.07 | DaJoker | kergoth: anyway, you should be able to use getline somevar < file and then check status of -1 fr non-existant files |
| 15:18.20 | kergoth | DaJoker: ah yeah, thatd be easy enough |
| 15:18.21 | kergoth | DaJoker: thanks |
| 15:18.43 | DaJoker | np |
| 15:23.21 | kergoth | fuck |
| 15:23.35 | kergoth | DaJoker: if the file is actually a dir, getline errors, and awk exectuion stops |
| 15:24.06 | JupiterJoe | i need a better game controller ;-(( is joystick support coming soon? |
| 15:24.10 | DaJoker | you asked about files, not dirs :) |
| 15:24.13 | kergoth | geh |
| 15:25.14 | Rince | hiho |
| 15:26.17 | Rince | Problem: I have installed OZ3, unfortunately, neither my Ethernet-Card nor my WLAN-Card is recognized so I do not have a network connection anymore. I then tried to download ospack.rar from www.zaurus.de (german ROM), but I can not extract the .rar-file. Can anyone tell me a program to extract that file? |
| 15:28.45 | kergoth | eh? |
| 15:28.51 | kergoth | Rince: first, its not a rar file |
| 15:29.02 | kergoth | Rince: you just rename it to ospack, put it on th ecard, and flash |
| 15:29.12 | kergoth | Rince: and define 'not recognized' .. i havent found a single card that fails to work in OZ |
| 15:31.37 | br33zy | moo |
| 15:31.50 | br33zy | hi yoda |
| 15:31.53 | br33zy | can i have a wish? |
| 15:31.59 | br33zy | i want the ring of teleportation |
| 15:32.02 | br33zy | or |
| 15:32.05 | br33zy | ring of levatation |
| 15:32.06 | br33zy | yeah |
| 15:32.09 | br33zy | that sounds better.. |
| 15:32.20 | br33zy | just because i cant find a throne to sit on |
| 15:33.07 | kergoth | oGMo: you're evil |
| 15:33.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:33.13 | oGMo | kergoth: i try |
| 15:33.14 | oGMo | ;) |
| 15:33.25 | kergoth | DaJoker: er |
| 15:33.35 | kergoth | DaJoker: the var doesnt contain -1 when the file doesnt exist. god i hate awk |
| 15:37.44 | Rince | kergoth: hmm, do you look into sourceforge? |
| 15:38.30 | kergoth | Rince: ? |
| 15:38.30 | Rince | I mean the Trackers to the openzaurus-project in sourceforge |
| 15:39.12 | kergoth | what about them? |
| 15:39.49 | Rince | I made a tracker for it: 633838 |
| 15:40.00 | kergoth | a tracker for what? |
| 15:40.09 | kergoth | oh the card behior |
| 15:40.11 | Rince | for the problem (OZ3 and my ethernet card) |
| 15:40.12 | kergoth | behavior |
| 15:40.13 | kergoth | k |
| 15:40.34 | Rince | oz3 claims it to be unsupported. cardctl ident can see the card, but can not give it an interface device |
| 15:40.58 | kergoth | Rince: what card? |
| 15:41.26 | Rince | called PRETEC CompactLAN |
| 15:41.49 | Rince | cardctl tells me: product info "PRETEC", "Ethernet CompactLAN 10BaseT 3.3V", "980918", "Rev.A" |
| 15:41.54 | Rince | functions: 6 (network) |
| 15:41.57 | kergoth | is that what it is? |
| 15:42.01 | kergoth | is that info accurate? |
| 15:42.04 | Rince | yes, that's it |
| 15:42.11 | kergoth | okay, i'm working on that bug |
| 15:42.13 | Rince | it's exactly what it should be |
| 15:42.20 | kergoth | if you lsmod |
| 15:42.27 | kergoth | is the module loaded? |
| 15:42.35 | Rince | which module should appear? |
| 15:42.56 | kergoth | anything _cs |
| 15:42.57 | kergoth | probably |
| 15:42.59 | kergoth | pcnet_cs |
| 15:43.05 | Rince | nope |
| 15:43.13 | Rince | wait,., |
| 15:43.16 | kergoth | k |
| 15:43.24 | kergoth | you have to lsmod with the card inserted |
| 15:43.49 | Rince | just made that :-) |
| 15:44.20 | Rince | but still no pcnet_cs. There is loaded: sa1100_ir, irda, sharp_mmcsd_m, sa1100_bi, net_fd, usbdcore, usbdmonitor |
| 15:46.37 | kergoth | hm |
| 15:46.41 | kergoth | so its not even loading the module |
| 15:46.46 | Rince | *nod* |
| 15:46.52 | kergoth | it could be as simple as us needing a card entry in /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 15:46.55 | kergoth | if so, thats an easy fix |
| 15:49.02 | Rince | Hmm |
| 15:49.09 | Rince | it _is_ in that configfile |
| 15:49.33 | PeZ2001 | can somebody send me the fb vnc ipk?? download server is down |
| 15:50.03 | Rince | there is card "PRETEC CompatcLAN Ethernet"\n version "PRETEC", "Ethernet CompactLAN 10baseT 3.3V"\n bind "pcnet_cs" |
| 15:53.01 | kergoth | Rince: hmm |
| 15:53.07 | kergoth | Rince: run 'logread' |
| 15:53.11 | kergoth | Rince: anything from cardmgr? |
| 15:53.17 | kergoth | Rince: (logread lets you read the syslog info) |
| 15:54.17 | Rince | just a minute... |
| 15:55.11 | kergoth | k |
| 15:55.44 | Rince | watching 2 sockets |
| 15:55.47 | Rince | starting, version is 3.2.1 |
| 15:55.55 | Rince | unsupported card in socket 0 |
| 15:56.24 | Rince | product info: "PRETEC", "Ethernet CompactLAN 10BaseT 3.3V", "980918", "Rev.A" |
| 15:56.28 | Rince | function: 6 (network) |
| 15:56.59 | Rince | (before every line: Nov: 22:56:xx zaurus daemon.info cardmgr[359] |
| 16:00.22 | kergoth | Rince: hmm.. |
| 16:00.56 | kergoth | Rince: i assume the card entry is CompactLAN not CompatcLAN... your typo, not config typo, right? :) |
| 16:01.20 | Rince | yepp, that was my one :-) |
| 16:01.37 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:01.40 | kergoth | sanity check |
| 16:01.43 | kergoth | modprobe pcnet_cs |
| 16:01.47 | kergoth | does it error? |
| 16:01.50 | kergoth | if not, just rmmod it again |
| 16:01.57 | kergoth | just making sure nothing is borked |
| 16:02.08 | Rince | no problem on both |
| 16:02.11 | Rince | no error from modprobe |
| 16:02.30 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:02.41 | kergoth | Rince: better idea, add your manfid to the card entry |
| 16:02.48 | kergoth | Rince: it makes it much more accurate |
| 16:03.09 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 16:03.38 | Rince | so, add the 980918 to the config-entry, 2nd line? like in cardctl ident? |
| 16:05.59 | Rince | no change after it, even after restarting pcmcia |
| 16:06.55 | kergoth | Rince: look at other config entries |
| 16:07.01 | kergoth | Rince: that have manfid in them |
| 16:07.04 | kergoth | Rince: copy their syntax |
| 16:09.04 | PeZ2001 | i need a joystick for the z ...... anyone ANY ideas??? |
| 16:09.26 | kergoth | joystick? for what? |
| 16:09.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:09.27 | Rince | Hmm, which one is the manfid? or how to see that one? |
| 16:09.41 | PeZ2001 | games;-)) |
| 16:09.59 | kergoth | Rince: example of syntax: |
| 16:10.00 | kergoth | card "Ositech Seven of Spades Fast Ethernet" |
| 16:10.01 | kergoth | manfid 0x0140, 0x0011 |
| 16:10.01 | kergoth | bind "epic_cb" |
| 16:10.14 | kergoth | follow that syntax for your card entry with your manfid per your cardctl ident output |
| 16:10.22 | Rince | ok |
| 16:10.46 | kergoth | Rince: also, try modprobing pcnet_cs manually, do ifconfig -a, see if the interface exists |
| 16:11.53 | Rince | ifconfig -a: there is irda, lo and sit0 (without mac) |
| 16:15.08 | dedd | any way to used a Motorola V60t |
| 16:15.12 | dedd | w/ a zaurus |
| 16:15.45 | dedd | trying to get net access thru my nation wide dialup acc when i'm not home since wlan isn't very developed where i am |
| 16:19.47 | Rince | Hmm, since cardctl only gives me "980918" as number, I assume that's the manfid, but it doesn't really help *check* |
| 16:22.35 | Zxcvb | does OZ 3 have sftp by default, or just scp/ssh? |
| 16:22.53 | Titeuf | scp/ssh i think |
| 16:26.55 | kergoth | Zxcvb: it has all of openssh, including ssh, scp, sftp |
| 16:27.26 | Cloudchaser | wow the emergency broadcast alarms just went off here |
| 16:28.04 | br33zy | aat last!! |
| 16:28.08 | br33zy | my wcf12 has come! |
| 16:28.15 | kergoth | nice |
| 16:28.38 | Bruton | anyone ported jet set willy on Z yet? |
| 16:28.46 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: test? |
| 16:28.49 | br33zy | it is in my hand! |
| 16:28.52 | br33zy | i feel the power! |
| 16:28.54 | Cloudchaser | don't know |
| 16:28.58 | Cloudchaser | they didn't say anything |
| 16:29.10 | Cloudchaser | usually they make an announcment after the sirens go off |
| 16:29.22 | Cloudchaser | or before they say its a test |
| 16:29.34 | Cloudchaser | it wasnt the ones on the radio/tv |
| 16:29.40 | Cloudchaser | it was the real ones.. outside |
| 16:29.49 | br33zy | WOWA! |
| 16:29.51 | br33zy | no configuring |
| 16:29.53 | br33zy | straight out of box |
| 16:29.55 | br33zy | holy shit |
| 16:29.57 | br33zy | this is coool |
| 16:30.00 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: is there a storm or anything? |
| 16:30.06 | kergoth | br33zy: having fun |
| 16:30.10 | Bruton | where are you cloudchaser? |
| 16:30.13 | kergoth | br33zy: ? |
| 16:30.17 | Cloudchaser | i think there's a nor'easter coming in |
| 16:30.21 | Cloudchaser | i'm in CT |
| 16:30.28 | Bruton | where is CT |
| 16:30.31 | Cloudchaser | on the coast (well a mile from it) |
| 16:30.34 | Cloudchaser | connecticut |
| 16:30.37 | Cloudchaser | east coast usa |
| 16:30.38 | Bruton | ahh |
| 16:31.08 | Cloudchaser | could be warning of flooding on the beach roads but they didn't say anything like usual |
| 16:32.27 | Bruton | we never get anything like that in UK you see |
| 16:32.39 | Cloudchaser | no? |
| 16:32.58 | Cloudchaser | we get them when a bad storm/hurricaine is going to hit |
| 16:33.06 | Cloudchaser | and if they are going to evacuate |
| 16:33.18 | Bruton | we dont get bad storms over here really |
| 16:33.39 | Bruton | perhaps a bit of snow or a few floods now and again |
| 16:34.31 | Rince | Hah, version "PRETEC" made it work now :-) |
| 16:34.31 | kergoth | Rince: haha |
| 16:34.32 | kergoth | Rince: just adding version was enough? |
| 16:36.14 | Twiun | anyone ever see a java.lang.LinkageError before? |
| 16:36.20 | kergoth | sounds nasty |
| 16:36.20 | br33zy | and kismet works!! |
| 16:36.24 | br33zy | i only see my own ap though |
| 16:36.38 | kergoth | well, if thers no other APs around.. |
| 16:36.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:36.40 | Zxcvb | Bruton: no hurricanes? |
| 16:38.49 | Twiun | kergoth: yeah... I think somehow I got two libs installed at the same time... one old one new - both getting linked |
| 16:38.58 | kergoth | ahh |
| 16:39.03 | Twiun | kergoth: testing that theory now - cleaned the Z of all old installs |
| 16:39.38 | Twiun | kergoth: I love how crap java debug is when line numbers have been stripped: |
| 16:39.40 | Twiun | java.lang.LinkageError : java.awt.TextField: method not found: java.awt.peer.TextFieldPeer/setText (Ljava/lang/String;)V |
| 16:39.41 | Twiun | initialized class java.awt.TextField/<init>(Ljava/lang/String;I)V pc = 68 |
| 16:39.41 | Twiun | initialized class {wonka.vm.ApplicationClassLoader@0x004ac1d8}MessageBox/<init>()V pc = 29 |
| 16:40.41 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:41.57 | Rince | kergoth: just saying version "PRETEC" instead of the rest worked |
| 16:43.47 | Cloudchaser | wow more sirens.. wonder if something is going on! |
| 16:44.06 | Cloudchaser | nothing on the news though |
| 16:44.22 | kergoth | Rince: can you email me your whole config entry for the card? i'll incorporate it into the next pcmcia-cs version |
| 16:45.02 | Rince | will do :-) |
| 16:45.07 | Rince | but it's very strange... |
| 16:45.13 | kergoth | yes |
| 16:45.14 | kergoth | i agree |
| 16:45.40 | Rince | first, I have to recover my addressbook and contact data, since they are backupped with Sharp Zaurus, but not OZ (yet) :-) |
| 16:45.45 | Rince | second: installing tkc-software |
| 16:45.51 | Rince | third: running my newsclient :-) |
| 16:45.58 | Rince | (on the zaurus) |
| 16:48.02 | Cloudchaser | ah its a coastal flood warning according to the local weather channel |
| 16:48.39 | br33zy | this is so awesome |
| 16:48.41 | br33zy | i can walk around |
| 16:48.44 | br33zy | and be on the internet |
| 16:48.49 | br33zy | at last! |
| 16:48.53 | dedd | heh e |
| 16:49.05 | dedd | i might hafta wlan the house just to do that |
| 16:49.06 | dedd | heh e |
| 16:49.17 | BZFlagVoted | br33zy: and with zic you could talk to ibot all the time. ;-) |
| 16:51.20 | br33zy | hehe |
| 16:54.06 | coup-PDA | BZFlag: yup zic and wlan is sweet |
| 16:56.19 | kergoth | hey BZFlagVoted |
| 16:57.08 | dedd | anyone have experience using a cell phone thru a zaurus to get online |
| 16:57.28 | BZFlagVoted | kergoth: and did you? |
| 16:57.56 | kergoth | nope, didnt have a chance before work |
| 16:58.06 | BZFlagVoted | dedd: I used a motorola GSM phone over irda and it worked for me. |
| 16:58.27 | BZFlagVoted | kergoth: still got time, no? |
| 16:58.36 | dedd | BZFlagVoted: any model #? |
| 16:58.37 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:58.40 | kergoth | just about to take off from work |
| 16:58.43 | BZFlagVoted | course on the east coast I think you have 15 seconds? |
| 16:58.51 | Harlekin | lol |
| 16:58.54 | dedd | BZFlagVoted: thinking of getting v60t |
| 16:58.55 | Harlekin | Florida did it again |
| 16:58.57 | BZFlagVoted | oops times up. |
| 16:59.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:59.04 | kergoth | yup |
| 16:59.10 | Harlekin | that is so funny |
| 17:00.52 | BZFlagVoted | dedd: timeport. hmm t-280? don't recall. |
| 17:02.03 | Harlekin | BZFlagVoted: at least its quite easy to judge in which party they would be |
| 17:02.07 | dedd | BZFlagVoted: ah looking to buy 1 soon |
| 17:02.13 | Harlekin | BZFlagVoted: there was a nice story about it on /. |
| 17:03.04 | Zxcvb | BZFlagVoted: I would prefer to know their position on the dmca, cbdtpa, p2p hacking and root DNS DDoS, etc |
| 17:03.40 | BZFlagVoted | Zxcvb: yes, yes! |
| 17:03.52 | BZFlagVoted | and spam, etc. |
| 17:04.51 | Zxcvb | BZFlagVoted: heard about the new greeting card virus? |
| 17:05.33 | Zxcvb | BZFlagVoted: that is apparently 100% legal |
| 17:07.05 | Zxcvb | btw, anyone here use exult yet? |
| 17:07.27 | Rince | kergoth: what's your emailaddress, so I can send you the change=? |
| 17:08.01 | kergoth | Rince: kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 17:08.02 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 17:09.05 | Rince | thx |
| 17:09.36 | raster | kergoth: booooo dmornnig! |
| 17:09.39 | raster | err |
| 17:09.43 | raster | kergoth: goooood mornnig! |
| 17:09.46 | raster | :) |
| 17:09.55 | Harlekin | fosters lag |
| 17:11.55 | jbwiv | guys....recently upgraded to redhat 8 and reinstalled the various rpms (gcc-cross, binutils-cross, glibc-arm, linux-headers, qtopia) per the compiler setup how-to. Everything works fine in the make until it tries to link in qpe and qte, and then I get about 500 undefined reference errors. Anyone ran into this or know what I should do to fix it? Thx! |
| 17:13.47 | jbwiv | or has anyone successfully compiled a Z project on Red Hat 8? |
| 17:14.08 | kergoth | raster: hehe |
| 17:14.44 | jbwiv | ibot, redhat 8 |
| 17:14.44 | | bugger all, i dunno, jbwiv |
| 17:15.01 | kergoth | ibot: redhat 8 is yet another notorious redhat .0 release |
| 17:15.01 | | okay, kergoth |
| 17:16.30 | jbwiv | kergoth: have you fielded any questions regarding Red Hat 8 or would you happen to have any pointers in the right direction? I really need this thing to compile ;-) |
| 17:16.47 | kergoth | I have a redhat 8 box sitting here, and i've supported customers at work on it |
| 17:16.56 | jbwiv | aside from installing a different distro ;-P |
| 17:16.57 | kergoth | but i havent touched a crosscompilation env on it |
| 17:17.01 | Titeuf | bye |
| 17:17.11 | jbwiv | kergoth: gotcha. thanks anyway. |
| 17:17.44 | jbwiv | kergoth: I'd try to download and compile sources, but wonder which is the culprit... |
| 17:33.18 | jbwiv | hmmm...in case anyone is listening, it appears you have to have gcc 2.95 or gcc 2.96 if you use the rpms with RH 8. Just fyi. |
| 17:36.43 | BZFlagVoted | so rh8 ships a compiler that can not build rh8 packages? |
| 17:36.49 | jbwiv | ibot test is 1 |
| 17:36.49 | | ...but test is already something else... |
| 17:37.34 | treke|home | jbwiv: are you compiling for arm or x86? |
| 17:37.43 | jbwiv | BZFlagVoted: RH 8 ships with gcc 3.2. Qtopia 1.5 rpms were built against 2.95, and they have different ABI's. |
| 17:37.51 | jbwiv | treke|home: x86. |
| 17:38.02 | treke|home | jbwiv: You need to install 2.96 then |
| 17:38.06 | treke|home | er .95 |
| 17:38.18 | treke|home | well .96 might work, but I dont know |
| 17:38.45 | ljp | ya .96 works... for the most part |
| 17:38.54 | treke|home | 3.2 will not work |
| 17:39.04 | godsmoke | hi everyone! |
| 17:39.09 | godsmoke | I just got my zaurus tonight |
| 17:39.37 | jbwiv | treke|home: yeah...figured that out. Now I'm just concerned that installing two versions of gcc might screw my system...any experience? |
| 17:39.48 | godsmoke | I have a few questions about what e-mail clients I can use on my desktop ... it seems it only can use outlook |
| 17:39.50 | treke|home | jbwiv: It wont |
| 17:39.59 | treke|home | jbwiv: Compile stuff your desktop with 3.2 |
| 17:40.09 | treke|home | compile qtopia stuff with 2.95 |
| 17:40.28 | jbwiv | treke|home: cool. that's what I'll do then. Yeah, I've just heard of people having wierd problems with two versions of gcc installed. Library conflicts and what not. |
| 17:40.40 | treke|home | jbwiv: I've got three installed :) |
| 17:40.42 | ljp | treke: thats _ingenious_! |
| 17:40.43 | jbwiv | ibot test 1 is 1 |
| 17:40.43 | | jbwiv: okay |
| 17:40.49 | jbwiv | ibot, test 1 |
| 17:40.49 | | test 1 is probably 1 |
| 17:40.58 | godsmoke | heh |
| 17:40.59 | treke|home | ljp: sarcasm doesnt suit you |
| 17:41.13 | jbwiv | treke|home: rpms or did you compile gcc and specify dest directories with ./configure --prefix= |
| 17:41.38 | treke|home | debs |
| 17:42.37 | jbwiv | ibot redhat 8 is, RH 8 comes with gcc 3.2. The Qtopia 1.5 SDK is built with gcc 2.95. gcc 2.95 has a different ABI than gcc 3.2 (or even gcc 3.1), so you can't link the Qtopia 1.5 libraries with material compiled under gcc 3.2. The best is to install gcc 2.95 and use this for embedded development, most of embedded compiler work is just now tuned for gcc 2.95, anyway. |
| 17:42.37 | | I think you lost me on that one, jbwiv |
| 17:42.42 | jbwiv | damn |
| 17:42.57 | jbwiv | ibot redhat 8 is RH 8 comes with gcc 3.2. The Qtopia 1.5 SDK is built with gcc 2.95. gcc 2.95 has a different ABI than gcc 3.2 (or even gcc 3.1), so you can't link the Qtopia 1.5 libraries with material compiled under gcc 3.2. The best is to install gcc 2.95 and use this for embedded development, most of embedded compiler work is just now tuned for gcc 2.95, anyway. |
| 17:42.57 | | ...but redhat 8 is already something else... |
| 17:43.02 | jbwiv | ibot redhat 8 |
| 17:43.02 | | somebody said redhat 8 was yet another notorious redhat .0 release |
| 17:43.05 | godsmoke | what is the official openzaurus website? |
| 17:43.19 | jbwiv | can I append something to an ibot entry? |
| 17:43.23 | godsmoke | openzaurus.sf.net? |
| 17:43.24 | darienm | is also |
| 17:43.34 | darienm | jbardin: ibot, x is also y |
| 17:43.35 | jbwiv | ibot redhat 8 is also RH 8 comes with gcc 3.2. The Qtopia 1.5 SDK is built with gcc 2.95. gcc 2.95 has a different ABI than gcc 3.2 (or even gcc 3.1), so you can't link the Qtopia 1.5 libraries with material compiled under gcc 3.2. The best is to install gcc 2.95 and use this for embedded development, most of embedded compiler work is just now tuned for gcc 2.95, anyway. |
| 17:43.35 | | jbwiv: okay |
| 17:43.45 | jbwiv | darienm: thanks. |
| 17:43.48 | ljp | openzaurus.org |
| 17:43.52 | jbwiv | ibot, redhat 8 |
| 17:43.52 | | from memory, redhat 8 is yet another notorious redhat .0 release RH 8 comes with gcc 3.2. The Qtopia 1.5 SDK is built with gcc 2.95. gcc 2.95 has a different ABI than gcc 3.2 (or even gcc 3.1), so you can't link the Qtopia 1.5 libraries with material compiled under gcc 3.2. The best is to install gcc 2.95 and use this for embedded development, most of embedded compiler work is just now tuned for gcc 2.95, anyway. |
| 17:44.04 | Zxcvb | jbwiv: couldn't someone make an API layer? |
| 17:44.15 | Zxcvb | jbwiv: ABI layer, I mean |
| 17:44.31 | jbwiv | Zxcvb: quite possibly. I volunteer you for the job ;-P |
| 17:44.48 | treke|home | Zxcvb: why bother? |
| 17:44.57 | treke|home | Zxcvb: just install the proper version of the software |
| 17:48.27 | jbwiv | treke|home: thanks for the pointer. Got a bit panicked there for a minute ;-) |
| 17:52.05 | ljp | I need to borrow my bro's digital camera, so I can have 'my new kitten, Stripes' web page |
| 18:05.44 | GotZaurus | hey |
| 18:05.53 | GotZaurus | how are you guys? |
| 18:06.22 | GotZaurus | Anybody here? |
| 18:06.26 | GotZaurus | hello? |
| 18:06.32 | GotZaurus | ?? |
| 18:06.37 | GotZaurus | hellooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 18:06.41 | GotZaurus | t |
| 18:06.46 | GotZaurus | 5 |
| 18:06.48 | GotZaurus | 4 |
| 18:06.49 | GotZaurus | 3 |
| 18:06.50 | kergoth | GotZaurus: wtf is your problem |
| 18:07.16 | kergoth`out | bbl, movie |
| 18:07.18 | Cloudchaser | haha guess no one jumped fast enough |
| 18:07.23 | GotZaurus | sorry |
| 18:07.40 | GotZaurus | does anyone know how to hide the taskbar? |
| 18:07.43 | kergoth`out | GotZaurus: if someone is here, they'll respond. if not, they wont. |
| 18:07.45 | treke|home | you cant |
| 18:07.56 | Cloudchaser | have fun at the movie kergoth ;0 |
| 18:08.01 | treke|home | kergoth`out: enjoy |
| 18:08.15 | kergoth`out | ;) |
| 18:08.16 | kergoth`out | bbl |
| 18:08.23 | treke|home | hehe |
| 18:08.37 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 18:08.55 | GotZaurus | i got the rotation working, but whenever i use qtella, some of it is blocked |
| 18:09.06 | GotZaurus | how can i show this hidden part? |
| 18:09.06 | ljp | gotzaurus: to hide the taskbar, just push the Cancel button |
| 18:09.39 | GotZaurus | if anyone wanted to know, i'm using my zaurus wirelessly, it is awesome |
| 18:09.41 | Cloudchaser | i never used it.. can't help you |
| 18:10.01 | GotZaurus | lol ljp |
| 18:10.04 | ljp | whats a zaurus? |
| 18:10.16 | treke|home | ljp: That hides it? Didnt know you could |
| 18:10.39 | GotZaurus | that doesnt work |
| 18:10.44 | GotZaurus | thats a prank |
| 18:10.56 | GotZaurus | to get you to close the app |
| 18:11.14 | ljp | that will hide everything :D |
| 18:11.20 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:11.28 | ljp | hold the cancel button |
| 18:11.31 | GotZaurus | how old are you? |
| 18:11.33 | GotZaurus | off |
| 18:11.35 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:11.44 | GotZaurus | im only 13 |
| 18:11.44 | ljp | 12 |
| 18:11.45 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:11.48 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:11.53 | ljp | well.. mentally |
| 18:11.55 | GotZaurus | you have a zaurus |
| 18:11.57 | GotZaurus | ?? |
| 18:12.01 | ljp | I have two |
| 18:12.20 | ljp | sometimes I am 19, sometimes I am 4.. |
| 18:12.30 | GotZaurus | why? |
| 18:12.32 | treke|home | usually he's twelve though |
| 18:12.35 | Cloudchaser | and sometimes he's 94 |
| 18:12.40 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:12.41 | ljp | ugh, yes |
| 18:12.49 | GotZaurus | sometimes negative |
| 18:12.50 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:13.09 | ljp | but my new kitty has gotten me back at a normal 12 |
| 18:13.36 | ljp | too bad my car just broke down |
| 18:13.53 | Wembly | ljp: hehe |
| 18:13.57 | treke|home | I'm of the general opinion that cars suck |
| 18:14.04 | Wembly | ljp: you have that same problem huh? |
| 18:14.39 | GotZaurus | there hardly any other ways of convineintly travel |
| 18:14.50 | ljp | ya, drove to my parents house.. and it wouldn't start again, I think it;s the fuel pump |
| 18:14.59 | GotZaurus | does anybody else know how to hide the taskbar? |
| 18:15.08 | Cloudchaser | you can't |
| 18:15.09 | treke|home | GotZaurus: You can't hide it |
| 18:15.09 | ljp | there's no way to hide that |
| 18:15.30 | ljp | if you hid it, how wouyld you get it back? |
| 18:15.42 | GotZaurus | maybe like autohide |
| 18:15.52 | ljp | yes! pizza ordered! |
| 18:15.54 | treke|home | nope. no authohide |
| 18:15.56 | GotZaurus | ill write an app for it i guess |
| 18:16.11 | GotZaurus | some apps can hide it |
| 18:16.15 | ljp | an app o hide that taskbar? |
| 18:16.30 | ljp | gak. .an app to hide the taskbar |
| 18:16.40 | treke|home | GotZaurus: some apps can run full screen, that doesnt help other apps though |
| 18:16.53 | GotZaurus | what is the coolest things you guys have done woth your zaurus? |
| 18:17.42 | GotZaurus | who here is typing on their zaurus to irc right now? |
| 18:17.48 | ljp | got a $5 rebate |
| 18:18.01 | Wembly | gotzaurus: id be if i had a wireless lan :/ |
| 18:18.39 | GotZaurus | its so cheap 40$ router and 60$ wirelesscard |
| 18:18.41 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:18.51 | GotZaurus | and 330 zaurus |
| 18:19.06 | Wembly | wtf!? |
| 18:19.13 | Wembly | where do you get a $40 router? |
| 18:19.19 | GotZaurus | buy.com |
| 18:19.25 | Wembly | and $60 wireless card? |
| 18:19.26 | GotZaurus | it was a price mistake |
| 18:19.29 | GotZaurus | buy |
| 18:19.44 | Wembly | do they suck? |
| 18:19.48 | GotZaurus | with rebate |
| 18:19.55 | GotZaurus | no |
| 18:20.00 | Wembly | instant or mail in? |
| 18:20.05 | GotZaurus | router is worth 160$ |
| 18:20.10 | GotZaurus | mail in |
| 18:20.14 | GotZaurus | its worth it |
| 18:20.25 | GotZaurus | youre too late for the router though |
| 18:20.30 | Wembly | so thats IF they deside to actually return to rebate after 6 months |
| 18:21.12 | GotZaurus | the router is capable of 1500 ft. |
| 18:21.17 | GotZaurus | it is awesome |
| 18:21.31 | GotZaurus | the card is linksys wcf12 |
| 18:21.47 | GotZaurus | the router is mr314 |
| 18:22.06 | GotZaurus | irxing from the zaurus is awesome |
| 18:22.13 | GotZaurus | wardriving is awesome. |
| 18:22.25 | ljp | try war skipping |
| 18:22.28 | GotZaurus | i can use the ointernet almost anywhere in nyc |
| 18:22.32 | GotZaurus | ?? |
| 18:22.47 | ljp | its like warwalking, only you skip |
| 18:22.56 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:23.00 | ljp | or warboarding |
| 18:23.16 | GotZaurus | youll break your zaurus |
| 18:23.20 | GotZaurus | tery warbiking |
| 18:23.22 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:23.36 | GotZaurus | gotta have alot of zauruss on hand |
| 18:24.12 | GotZaurus | have you guys ever try brining full movies on thr zaurus |
| 18:24.13 | GotZaurus | ? |
| 18:24.47 | ljp | some people have |
| 18:24.55 | GotZaurus | i once brought the cowboy bebop movie on a 256mb cf in divx format formatted to fit your zaurus screen |
| 18:25.14 | GotZaurus | you guys dont type that much, and im using my zaurus |
| 18:25.19 | GotZaurus | my thumbs hurt |
| 18:25.23 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:25.47 | GotZaurus | whats with all the idle people? |
| 18:25.49 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:26.00 | treke|home | we dont have anything to say |
| 18:26.06 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:26.32 | GotZaurus | anyubody her like anime, if so what kind, and if you have a site or not |
| 18:26.46 | GotZaurus | what are you guys favorite browser? |
| 18:26.55 | GotZaurus | what are your favorite apps |
| 18:27.00 | ljp | I like the old scooby doo cartoons |
| 18:27.07 | GotZaurus | lol |
| 18:27.16 | GotZaurus | browser |
| 18:27.27 | ljp | phoenix or opera |
| 18:27.30 | ljp | or links |
| 18:27.46 | GotZaurus | it is so cool that you can play gameboy games on the z |
| 18:28.24 | GotZaurus | what are your favorie warskipping apps p, wink |
| 18:28.47 | ljp | umm mI dunno. I have no wireless hardware |
| 18:29.37 | Wembly | yea whats the best cf card for the zaurus? |
| 18:29.54 | GotZaurus | bigger, thr better |
| 18:29.59 | Wembly | aka range vs. battery usage? |
| 18:30.29 | Wembly | thr better? |
| 18:30.42 | GotZaurus | oh |
| 18:30.48 | GotZaurus | wcf12 |
| 18:31.29 | GotZaurus | tou can use your zaurus as a walky talky |
| 18:31.47 | Infamous2 | is there a Zaurus SL-5600 coming out? |
| 18:32.00 | GotZaurus | no |
| 18:32.22 | Infamous2 | i heard something about a new zaurus coming out |
| 18:32.32 | treke|home | Infamous2: yes |
| 18:32.39 | treke|home | Infamous2: In the next month or two |
| 18:32.44 | GotZaurus | thats not a zaurus type |
| 18:32.51 | GotZaurus | its more of a laptpp |
| 18:33.01 | treke|home | GotZaurus: Thats a japanese zaurus |
| 18:33.06 | GotZaurus | like one of thpse old jornadas |
| 18:33.51 | GotZaurus | running a web server on oyur zaaurus is cool too |
| 18:35.12 | jbwiv | treke|home: did you modify tmake.conf to cause the Makefile to be generated pointing to your gcc 2.9x binary? If not, how'd you get it to work? |
| 18:35.33 | treke|home | jbwiv: 2.95 is my normall gcc |
| 18:36.06 | jbwiv | treke|home: but would tmake.conf be where I'd need to make changes? |
| 18:36.14 | treke|home | probably |
| 18:36.42 | jbwiv | cool...thanks |
| 18:39.54 | GotZaurus | see ya... |
| 18:43.37 | jbwiv | treke|home: one last question...did you say 2.96 should work as well? |
| 18:44.02 | treke|home | dunno |
| 18:44.06 | treke|home | maybe |
| 18:44.24 | jbwiv | alright...thanks! |
| 18:44.27 | jbwiv | ibot redhat 7 |
| 18:44.27 | | jbwiv: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:44.30 | Zxcvb | ouch, new zaurus |
| 18:44.31 | jbwiv | ibot redhat 8 |
| 18:44.31 | | [redhat 8] yet another notorious redhat .0 release RH 8 comes with gcc 3.2. The Qtopia 1.5 SDK is built with gcc 2.95. gcc 2.95 has a different ABI than gcc 3.2 (or even gcc 3.1), so you can't link the Qtopia 1.5 libraries with material compiled under gcc 3.2. The best is to install gcc 2.95 and use this for embedded development, most of embedded compiler work is just now tuned for gcc 2.95, anyway. |
| 18:44.46 | Zxcvb | how long will people still have ipks for the SL-5500? |
| 18:45.13 | treke|home | Zxcvb: That assumes the 5500 and the new zaurus arent compatible |
| 18:45.32 | Zxcvb | treke: the new zaurus is xscale |
| 18:45.38 | jbwiv | what? new zaurus? |
| 18:45.45 | treke|home | Zxcvb: That doesnt make them incompatible |
| 18:45.51 | Zxcvb | treke|home: sure it does |
| 18:46.01 | treke|home | Zxcvb: Only in your mind |
| 18:46.02 | Zxcvb | treke|home: unless everyone compiles for arm V4 |
| 18:46.15 | treke|home | Zxcvb: exactly |
| 18:46.16 | Zxcvb | treke|home: just like mandrake is incompatible with a 486, new instructions |
| 18:46.40 | jbwiv | Zxcvb: where'd you see this new Z? |
| 18:46.41 | Zxcvb | treke|home: good thing I didn't buy any SD cards |
| 18:46.57 | Zxcvb | treke|home: since the old module will be dead soon |
| 18:47.22 | treke|home | why is the old module going to be dead? |
| 18:48.25 | Zxcvb | treke|home: because it won't be updated |
| 18:48.33 | treke|home | Zxcvb: And why is that? |
| 18:48.50 | Zxcvb | treke|home: because the new zaurus is out |
| 18:49.09 | treke|home | so suddenly the current driver will stop working? |
| 18:49.12 | jbwiv | Zxcvb: out where? |
| 18:49.33 | Zxcvb | treke|home: not until OZ moves to 2.6.x |
| 18:49.45 | Zxcvb | treke|home: and no more bugfixes, either |
| 18:49.52 | treke|home | Zxcvb: 2.6 is a long way off |
| 18:50.20 | Zxcvb | treke|home: unless someone who can hack binary like most developers hack source can help |
| 18:50.40 | datenPUNK | hello - I have a problem with ipkg - can somebody help me please? |
| 18:50.49 | Zxcvb | treke|home: shouldn't have bought that 5500 |
| 18:50.52 | treke|home | Zxcvb: Of course BZFlagVoted is always welcome to update the binary yet again |
| 18:51.13 | treke|home | Zxcvb: Everything is replaced eventually |
| 18:51.25 | Zxcvb | treke|home: but within a month of buying it |
| 18:51.30 | kerny | Is spencer here? |
| 18:51.36 | Zxcvb | treke|home: I just bought a $300 paperweight, I should have waited |
| 18:52.23 | treke|home | if you are that clueless to think that your pda is useless because there is a newer model, there is no point arguing with you |
| 18:52.29 | jbwiv | Zxcvb: why not make at least a little $$? I'll give you $5 dollars for it. |
| 18:52.52 | treke|home | Zxcvb:My ipaq has been superceded by newer models, it didnt stop working |
| 18:53.00 | Zxcvb | treke|home: do you really think sharp will bother to support the 5500 once the 5600 is out |
| 18:53.04 | treke|home | Zxcvb: And that happened two months after I bought it |
| 18:53.17 | Zxcvb | treke|home: I would be suprised if sharp even honors the full warranty period |
| 18:53.23 | DaJoker | treke|home: you mean they didn't program it to self destruct when the new one came out? |
| 18:53.30 | kerny | what new model? |
| 18:53.31 | treke|home | DaJoker: Yeah I was surprised |
| 18:53.54 | DaJoker | well no wonder Zxcvb is worried |
| 18:53.58 | DaJoker | maybe sharp did that |
| 18:54.05 | DaJoker | I better go bury my 5500 now |
| 18:54.19 | treke|home | yeah because sharp would never dream of honoring a warranty |
| 18:54.20 | Twiun | DaJoker: think it's too late for my 5000d? |
| 18:54.39 | DaJoker | Twiun: oh my, those things still exist?!? |
| 18:54.45 | jbwiv | DaJoker: don't bury it. I'll give you $5 for it! |
| 18:54.49 | Zxcvb | treke|home: what better way to encourage upgrades than by immediately dropping all support/warranty/bugfixes immediately after there is a new model |
| 18:54.49 | kerny | what new model? |
| 18:54.51 | treke|home | yeah, think of all those poor souls who got ripped off when sharp gave them free 500ds |
| 18:55.10 | Twiun | treke|home: Free??? this one cost me! |
| 18:55.11 | treke|home | Zxcvb: What better way to piss off customers and possibly invite lawsuits |
| 18:55.12 | DaJoker | my God.. the humanity of it all |
| 18:55.19 | jbwiv | DaJoker: hurry though. the value is depreciating rapidly ;-) |
| 18:55.25 | Twiun | treke|home: but then again, that's what being an early adopter is like |
| 18:55.54 | Twiun | right... time for some sleep |
| 18:56.18 | Cloudchaser | g'night twiun |
| 18:56.31 | DaJoker | night Twiun |
| 18:56.51 | kerny | what new model? |
| 18:57.01 | Zxcvb | treke|home: you honestly think that sharp will care about 5500 users once the 5600 is out? |
| 18:57.08 | treke|home | Zxcvb: Yes actually I do |
| 18:57.18 | Cloudchaser | there's not a new model out yet |
| 18:57.26 | Cloudchaser | unless i missed some really big news |
| 18:57.28 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: there will be very soon |
| 18:57.42 | DaJoker | Zxcvb: considering they still care about the 5000d users.. |
| 18:57.43 | Cloudchaser | so take yours back then |
| 18:57.54 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: too late, it's been more than a month |
| 18:58.05 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: I wish they would have said so |
| 18:58.34 | Cloudchaser | they haven't officially announced anything yet, that i know of have they? |
| 18:58.36 | DaJoker | Zxcvb: so exactly how much weed have you been smoking tonight? |
| 18:58.50 | treke|home | DaJoker: he's always like this |
| 18:59.20 | DaJoker | best to collect some metrics on his weed consumption then.. so I know when to completely ignore him, or just belittle him :) |
| 19:00.52 | treke|home | DaJoker: the best part about Zxcvb is that both of those options are appropriate |
| 19:01.15 | DaJoker | should have guessed :) |
| 19:02.34 | Zxcvb | and how many developers will even bother with 5500 packages |
| 19:03.06 | treke|home | Zxcvb: 5600 and 5500 packages will be the same thing. You compile for 5500 and be done with it |
| 19:04.04 | Cloudchaser | well considering how many developeres still are using 5000's it shouldn't be an issue for a while |
| 19:04.06 | Zxcvb | treke}: so what's the point of the xscale? |
| 19:04.33 | treke|home | Zxcvb: Lower power consumption |
| 19:07.21 | Fierman | who cares about sharp and support for Z anyway |
| 19:07.28 | Fierman | sharp built a nice machine, |
| 19:07.36 | Fierman | its up to us to make use of it |
| 19:08.02 | Fierman | Infamous2: i bought vmine last week |
| 19:08.05 | treke|home | Infamous2: If a microphone is a big deal for you, you might want to wait. If not, then it's probably more of a price issue |
| 19:08.07 | Fierman | and i have no regrets at all |
| 19:08.08 | Zxcvb | Fierman: unless someone outside the US and who never plans to visit the US figures out SD, sharp support matters |
| 19:08.21 | Infamous2 | i thought i finally decided on a PDA |
| 19:08.27 | Fierman | Zxcvb: bullcra |
| 19:08.29 | Fierman | p |
| 19:08.35 | Infamous2 | but what about the new processor? |
| 19:08.45 | treke|home | Infamous2: Shouldnt be much of a speed difference |
| 19:08.46 | Fierman | go for the ipaq then |
| 19:08.53 | Fierman | twice as fast, twice as expensive |
| 19:08.55 | Infamous2 | and is it true that the keyboard is on the outside now with the slide exposing a palm type scribble area? |
| 19:09.02 | Wembly | whats going on with sharp? or is someone just creating fud? |
| 19:09.11 | treke|home | Infamous2: the scribble area is software |
| 19:09.22 | Wembly | xscale sucks hehe |
| 19:09.23 | Zxcvb | Infamous2: if arm V5 really is just an extension of arm V4, then a kernel module to run xscale apps is possible |
| 19:09.52 | treke|home | Wembly: Zxcvb is a troll |
| 19:10.01 | treke|home | Wembly: As for sharps plans, who knows |
| 19:10.06 | Infamous2 | i wonder if this is all made up |
| 19:10.08 | Wembly | ahh :) |
| 19:11.03 | Infamous2 | hmm |
| 19:11.25 | Zxcvb | Wembly: just annoyed that my 5500 will be nearly useless only a few months after buying it |
| 19:11.26 | Fierman | the open source/free software community made me decide to go for Z anyway, NOT the manufacturer |
| 19:11.36 | ljp | useless? |
| 19:11.56 | Zxcvb | ljp: yeah |
| 19:12.05 | Cloudchaser | is it useless now? |
| 19:12.09 | Zxcvb | ljp: new CPU (incompatible packages), no more SD driver updates, etc |
| 19:12.15 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: no |
| 19:12.15 | ljp | well, send your useless zaurus to me |
| 19:12.27 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: but how long can OZ keep compatibility with 2.4.x modules? |
| 19:12.29 | Cloudchaser | then it won't be useless when a new model comes out |
| 19:12.38 | treke|home | Zxcvb: 1) Its been anounced that the packaged will be compatible |
| 19:12.47 | Infamous2 | Zxcvb: do you have any info to back this up i.e. webpages, emails? |
| 19:13.01 | Zxcvb | Infamous2: the xscale is ARM 5 |
| 19:13.03 | treke|home | Zxcvb: 2) If the driver works, it will keep working. This is software, it doesnt magically fail |
| 19:13.23 | Zxcvb | treke|home: it will work as long as OZ uses kernel 2.4.6 |
| 19:13.35 | treke|home | Zxcvb: OZ is upgrading to 2.4.19 |
| 19:13.41 | treke|home | Zxcvb: And the driver is being upgraded |
| 19:18.08 | treke|home | of course we wouldnt want to let any of that get in the way of a good sharp bitchfest |
| 19:20.40 | ljp | hehehe] |
| 19:21.17 | treke|home | wtf. I could have sworn my dev environment worked lastnight |
| 19:22.28 | ljp | maaybe you got hackored |
| 19:23.42 | treke|home | man. complete build tree for opie is 138 megs :) |
| 19:24.30 | jbwiv | treke|home: compiling and installing 2.95 did the trick. thanks for the help! |
| 19:24.40 | treke|home | jbwiv: cool |
| 19:24.51 | treke|home | jbwiv: just use it for opie though, 3.2 is much nicer :) |
| 19:25.48 | jbwiv | treke|home: my plan exactly ;-) |
| 19:26.12 | jbwiv | time to reboot to enable fbdev...see you! |
| 19:26.19 | jbardin | ibot, you bubble headed booby |
| 19:26.19 | | wish i knew, jbardin |
| 19:34.24 | kergoth`out | Zxcvb: tim riker at lineo will be building our sd module for 2.4.19 when we make the move. |
| 19:35.17 | treke|home | kergoth`out: theres really no point arguing with him |
| 19:35.38 | treke|home | kergoth`out: youve got better things todo |
| 19:35.49 | kergoth`out | true that |
| 19:57.04 | kergoth`out | pretty dead tonight eh |
| 19:57.13 | DaJoker | seems to be |
| 20:02.01 | ljp | no, we're all trying to figure out what the heck kergoth did to th eopie build system |
| 20:05.04 | DaJoker | made it work? |
| 20:06.32 | kergoth`out | ljp: hehe |
| 20:10.05 | cloud | hiya..anyone awake here by chance? |
| 20:10.09 | kergoth`out | no :) |
| 20:10.14 | cloud | hehe |
| 20:12.46 | cloud | i've a question..the backup files from the sharp default backup utility |
| 20:12.55 | cloud | if i want to pick out one file.. |
| 20:13.16 | cloud | do i add .tar.gz extension to it and open it up? |
| 20:13.26 | cloud | well tar it anyway |
| 20:14.21 | cloud | hmm.. nm.. its just .tar not .tar.gz ;) |
| 20:16.35 | cloud | and i'm just sol on this one cause the file i need is on sd ;( |
| 20:49.24 | dlohin | heya ll |
| 20:49.43 | dlohin | Is their anyway to make simple graphs on the Z? |
| 20:50.03 | dlohin | nothing fancy, line graphs and bar graphs |
| 20:50.08 | dlohin | maybe pie |
| 20:50.40 | oGMo | hmm good question |
| 20:50.52 | dlohin | Ive never seen one |
| 20:50.56 | oGMo | i thought i saw gnuplot for the z, but i dunno |
| 20:53.30 | dlohin | that needs vnc though |
| 20:53.33 | dlohin | and a pc |
| 20:58.31 | oGMo | i thought so, that's totally lame |
| 20:59.05 | oGMo | gnuplot renderers are all modular too, i'm sure it'd be easy to write a real port |
| 21:00.11 | kergoth`out | could use statgrapher |
| 21:01.36 | oGMo | haven't seen that |
| 21:04.08 | kergoth | oGMo: iirc statgrapher uses gnuplot. ask darienm and erikd |
| 21:48.24 | murph | Test. |
| 21:48.28 | raja | re all |
| 21:49.09 | raja | where did you guys buy your zaurus from? |
| 21:49.14 | raja | im in canada looking to get one |
| 21:50.26 | murph | Got mine at Office Depot (US), but that's probably not much help for you. |
| 21:52.49 | DaWorm | bestbuy, before they dropped it |
| 22:02.28 | codemnky | hello |
| 22:09.44 | jbwiv | hello all. anyone know how to enable debugging in a Qt .pro file? |
| 22:09.56 | kergoth`bored | change release to debug on your CONFIG= line |
| 22:10.49 | jbwiv | so, it'd be CONFIG=debug ? |
| 22:11.09 | kergoth`bored | um |
| 22:11.13 | kergoth`bored | generally config is more than that |
| 22:11.33 | jbwiv | alright...seems I have a bit of reading to do ;-) |
| 22:11.48 | jbwiv | thx |
| 22:11.48 | Com[Plex] | wich is faster? sd or CF/ |
| 22:11.49 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 22:12.23 | kergoth`bored | jbwiv: CONFIG += qt debug is probably sufficicient |
| 22:12.26 | kergoth`bored | jbwiv: sufficient too |
| 22:12.32 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: on the Z? CF, by far. |
| 22:12.52 | jbwiv | kergoth`bored: alright, thanks man. |
| 22:12.59 | kergoth`bored | np |
| 22:14.27 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:20.06 | Com[Plex] | wich si faster? sd or MMC? |
| 22:20.13 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: sd |
| 22:21.39 | jbwiv | kergoth`bored: did the trick, thx. btw, anyone checked out eclipse (eclipse.org) as a C/C++ editor? Pretty sweet.... |
| 22:22.01 | kergoth`bored | i havent |
| 22:23.30 | jbwiv | kergoth`bored: worth a look. It's an "Editor Framework", but has working Java and C/C++ IDE modules. Works fairly well.... |
| 22:23.30 | kergoth`bored | nice, ill take a look |
| 22:23.58 | jbwiv | has such nice integration with CVS as well... |
| 22:36.10 | jbwiv | aaah...segmentation faults. gotta love 'em |
| 22:54.34 | Com[Plex] | whoa, I just saw that 3.0 was released, way to go! |
| 22:54.45 | Com[Plex] | any big issues with ti I should knwo about? IM thinking about installing it |
| 22:55.05 | kergoth`bored | opie segfaults in certain weird circumstances. just restart it and all is well |
| 22:55.06 | kergoth`bored | hehe |
| 22:55.11 | kergoth`bored | they're in the opie bug tracking system |
| 22:55.16 | kergoth`bored | for the most part is -solid- |
| 22:55.23 | murph | I'm having networking issues, but I don't think that's a general thing. |
| 22:55.23 | kergoth`bored | the response has been very positive |
| 22:55.44 | Com[Plex] | cool :> |
| 22:55.53 | kergoth`bored | murph: what issues? |
| 22:56.10 | Com[Plex] | has the opei player been trimmed down at all? I had problems running it on the 5000d <memory> |
| 22:56.15 | kergoth`bored | cbok reports his ethernet (non wlan) card has issues, we're upgrading our drivers to versions much higher than sharp |
| 22:56.21 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: opieplayer isnt being developed |
| 22:56.32 | Com[Plex] | oh.. how come? |
| 22:56.37 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: opieplayer2 is, though it has even higher mem usage than op1 atm. they're waiting for xine to make further improvemnets |
| 22:56.38 | murph | kergoth: My Z (OZ3) and PC (Win98) aren't talking. |
| 22:56.41 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: op2 supports divx, etc |
| 22:56.47 | kergoth`bored | murph: i need more information than that. |
| 22:56.51 | kergoth`bored | murph: can you ping? |
| 22:56.59 | Com[Plex] | oh, thats what i meant, op2 |
| 22:57.19 | murph | kergoth: No ping either way. I'm getting network/host unreachable. |
| 22:57.20 | kergoth`bored | op2 is stalled atm |
| 22:57.22 | kergoth`bored | while xine fixes bugs |
| 22:57.29 | kergoth`bored | murph: and does windows show a network interface? |
| 22:57.38 | kergoth`bored | murph: do you see the eject/usb icon in the corner? |
| 22:57.56 | murph | kergoth: No. I just sent an email to the yahoo group looking for help. |
| 22:58.06 | kergoth`bored | murph: yahoo group? |
| 22:58.13 | kergoth`bored | murph: the main contact points are the mailing lists. |
| 22:58.22 | chouimat | kergoth`bored: eta for the fix? |
| 22:58.24 | murph | kergoth: sl5500 group at yahoo. |
| 22:58.30 | kergoth`bored | chouimat: which fix? |
| 22:58.36 | Com[Plex] | kergoth: how old are you? do you remember the late 80s, when "demos" were the in thing? back when people used to make "mods" and put them ti these crazy 3d videos and stuff... long before 3d accelerators were even thoguht of.. - why doesnt anyone try that on teh z? lol |
| 22:58.37 | kergoth`bored | murph: thats still used? |
| 22:58.46 | kergoth`bored | murph: thats -not- the main contact |
| 22:58.52 | kergoth`bored | murph: use zauruszone.com's forums |
| 22:58.56 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: how old are you? |
| 22:58.57 | kergoth`bored | murph: or zaurus-general mailing list |
| 22:58.58 | murph | kergoth: And the previous 'no' was to the Windows showing network interface q. |
| 22:59.01 | Com[Plex] | what is xine |
| 22:59.04 | Com[Plex] | 28 |
| 22:59.05 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: I remember demos |
| 22:59.11 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: future crew |
| 22:59.13 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: same here |
| 22:59.14 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: etc |
| 22:59.19 | Com[Plex] | I still have some on disk some place |
| 22:59.25 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: I want a nice old school demo on my Z |
| 22:59.32 | Com[Plex] | future crew, hehe. they made scream tracker if I remember right |
| 22:59.43 | Com[Plex] | gotta get a dos emu running on the z |
| 22:59.44 | murph | kergoth: Ah, ok. I'll have to move over to that. I figured the recent traffic on the Yahoo list wasn't enough to be the entire user base. :p |
| 22:59.44 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:59.51 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: neale pointed me to some sweet purple motion mods |
| 23:00.01 | Com[Plex] | oooh, purple motion. |
| 23:00.06 | kergoth`bored | murph: /j #openzaurus for further openzaurus discussion |
| 23:00.15 | Com[Plex] | I used to use fast tracker. |
| 23:00.30 | kergoth`bored | purple motion did good shit |
| 23:00.33 | kergoth`bored | i cant believe he's still around |
| 23:00.36 | Com[Plex] | on a pc. in about 91-92 ? uh.. yeah I think.. |
| 23:00.39 | kergoth`bored | neale found a link to him on mp3.com! |
| 23:00.40 | murph | kergoth: Crikey, thanks. Didn't even look to see if they had their own channel. |
| 23:00.49 | Com[Plex] | sure its the same guy? |
| 23:01.07 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: same first and last name.. same handle.. and he's doing the same type of music.. |
| 23:01.10 | kergoth`bored | Com[Plex]: pretty sure |
| 23:01.32 | Com[Plex] | cool :> |
| 23:01.45 | Com[Plex] | I still have 40 megs of mods on my ftp server |
| 23:01.49 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:01.51 | kergoth | i need more |
| 23:01.55 | kergoth | brings back memories |
| 23:02.03 | Com[Plex] | check, 62 megs :> |
| 23:02.43 | Com[Plex] | fifty seven up! |
| 23:02.56 | Com[Plex] | we used to call em chip tunes |
| 23:02.58 | chouimat | hehe just found my old zork disk |
| 23:03.12 | Com[Plex] | because they were made to run on a wristwatch for crissake |
| 23:03.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:03.34 | Com[Plex] | Oh man, could you imagine, Motorolas next cell phones coming with mod support??! |
| 23:03.39 | kergoth | haha |
| 23:03.40 | kergoth | thatd rock |
| 23:03.42 | Com[Plex] | yeah dude! that would eb so cool ahahah |
| 23:04.07 | Com[Plex] | yeah man |
| 23:04.34 | chouimat | hmmm some Opeth as ring melody |
| 23:04.36 | Com[Plex] | Holger Kapela |
| 23:04.39 | Com[Plex] | that guy was amazine |
| 23:05.17 | Com[Plex] | I guess it was the early early 90s that they were starting to get really good :> |
| 23:05.41 | Com[Plex] | ec rider and alcatraz. |
| 23:05.47 | Com[Plex] | yeah man :> |
| 23:05.57 | Com[Plex] | it was like, the ONLY place you could get electronic music. |
| 23:06.01 | Com[Plex] | on BBSs and shit |
| 23:06.18 | Com[Plex] | news groups, FidoNet LINX |
| 23:06.20 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 23:07.02 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:07.11 | kergoth | 90 i had my dads tandy 1000hx |
| 23:07.19 | kergoth | and my dad had his 386dx33 w/ math co |
| 23:07.31 | kergoth | BBSing |
| 23:07.33 | kergoth | i so miss that |
| 23:07.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:07.54 | kergoth | that tandy 1000hx was the first box i used |
| 23:07.56 | chouimat | kergoth: in 82 or 83 |
| 23:08.23 | Com[Plex] | hehe. yeah man. I ahd a tandy 100 in 84-85 256k ram. TWO FLOPPIES |
| 23:08.28 | chouimat | kergoth:before that I was allowed to use my father TRS-80 model II |
| 23:08.32 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:08.33 | Com[Plex] | I was in 5th grade, sat there while my dad isntalled em. |
| 23:08.51 | Com[Plex] | chouimat: I ahve a trs-80 sitting accross the room from me as we speak |
| 23:09.02 | kergoth | i need to buy some old machine |
| 23:09.03 | Com[Plex] | it works. its abotu eh size of a sofa. and it has a handle for carrying |
| 23:09.03 | kergoth | s |
| 23:09.06 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: my Coco3 still work |
| 23:09.06 | kergoth | for nostalgia's sake |
| 23:09.16 | Com[Plex] | chou, all I need is a boot disk :( |
| 23:09.26 | Com[Plex] | kerg. wanna buy this trs80? its really in my way! |
| 23:09.28 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: 8" |
| 23:09.31 | Com[Plex] | be price on shipping tho |
| 23:09.42 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:09.48 | kergoth | shipping on that would blow |
| 23:09.56 | kergoth | i just need an xt, then ill be happy |
| 23:09.59 | Com[Plex] | probly 40$ |
| 23:10.01 | Com[Plex] | hehehe |
| 23:10.07 | stmpynode | hello |
| 23:10.14 | Com[Plex] | my first hard drive, was a 30 meg flashcard. |
| 23:10.21 | Com[Plex] | it was 500$ |
| 23:10.25 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: my Coco3 is modified to have 16MB ram and a scsi hdd |
| 23:10.29 | kergoth | hard card? i remember those |
| 23:10.43 | kergoth | i miss old computers |
| 23:10.44 | Com[Plex] | WHOA! scsi HD in a coco3? yikes |
| 23:10.54 | kergoth | i miss adventure games |
| 23:10.56 | kergoth | back when they didnt suck |
| 23:10.58 | Com[Plex] | I still have a CASSETE TAPE drive reader from a coco |
| 23:11.02 | kergoth | when Sierra On-Line was in its hayday |
| 23:11.03 | Com[Plex] | it sucked. |
| 23:11.05 | Com[Plex] | haha |
| 23:11.06 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: very old scsi-1 60MB HD |
| 23:11.08 | kergoth | and leisure suit larry was huge |
| 23:11.12 | Com[Plex] | jeeesus chou |
| 23:11.35 | Com[Plex] | yeah man, leisure suit latrry and the land of the lounge lizards. I was there when larry got his first taste of pie |
| 23:11.40 | chouimat | hey my intellivison still work |
| 23:11.41 | kergoth | aha fuck yeah |
| 23:11.52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: course i remember trying to get past those damn initial questions when i was 8 |
| 23:11.55 | Com[Plex] | that and police quest. in 89. |
| 23:11.57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: fuckers. i didnt know much |
| 23:11.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:12.04 | kergoth | police quest was sweet |
| 23:12.04 | Com[Plex] | hahah yeah kergoth! THEY WERE TOUGH! |
| 23:12.13 | kergoth | i remember the map, and your car.. was line a 3 pixel wide line |
| 23:12.16 | kergoth | a solid line |
| 23:12.18 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:12.24 | Com[Plex] | haha. yeah man |
| 23:12.45 | kergoth | lsl3 they'd show more if you got a higher score, and less if you got a lower one |
| 23:12.45 | chouimat | I remember playing Bedlam at 8 yrs( damn my english was lame in thos edays) |
| 23:12.48 | kergoth | i miss lsl* |
| 23:12.53 | kergoth | and space quest |
| 23:12.54 | Com[Plex] | bit with an ega graphics card, that game was SICK |
| 23:12.55 | kergoth | fuck yeah |
| 23:12.57 | kergoth | Roger Wilco! |
| 23:13.03 | Com[Plex] | lsl is coming out with antoher one |
| 23:13.07 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: seroiusly? |
| 23:13.11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: they better have hired al lowe |
| 23:13.16 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: cause itd suck otherwise |
| 23:13.22 | chouimat | kergoth: Space Quest VGA version with ZZ top in the game |
| 23:13.27 | Com[Plex] | haha. yeah, I usut saw about it within the past week |
| 23:13.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:13.31 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: sweet |
| 23:13.35 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i'll so buy that |
| 23:13.45 | kergoth | Sierra rocked |
| 23:13.46 | Com[Plex] | yuo guys remember "striker" ? or "Janitor Joe" |
| 23:13.50 | Com[Plex] | those were from 85 |
| 23:13.57 | Com[Plex] | I LOVED those games |
| 23:13.57 | kergoth | back when it was owned by Ken and Roberta Williams |
| 23:14.00 | kergoth | before they got baught out |
| 23:14.05 | Com[Plex] | yeah man |
| 23:14.05 | kergoth | i dont remember those, but then i wouldve been 5 at the time |
| 23:14.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:14.10 | Com[Plex] | hahaha |
| 23:14.12 | Com[Plex] | thats right :> |
| 23:14.15 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: remember Color Baseball? |
| 23:14.20 | Com[Plex] | for the coco? |
| 23:14.25 | chouimat | yes |
| 23:14.38 | Com[Plex] | yeah, I bought it for my cousing because he had a coco. ot it on a cartridge. lol |
| 23:14.47 | kergoth | i remember the first time i played space quest 3 |
| 23:14.54 | kergoth | on a tandy with -3 channel- audio |
| 23:14.57 | kergoth | that music rocked |
| 23:15.11 | kergoth | fuck that ibm 1 channel internal speaker |
| 23:15.35 | kergoth | i need to get some emulators now |
| 23:15.41 | chouimat | Com[Plex]: the graphics sucked but the game play was great (I miss that. I don't nedd 256 buttons on my joysticks) |
| 23:15.42 | Com[Plex] | thats right, you used "TANDY SOUND SYSTEM" abck when everything was in ALL CAPS |
| 23:15.50 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 23:16.20 | kergoth | yup |
| 23:16.25 | kergoth | i miss those old games |
| 23:16.29 | kergoth | gameplay did rock back in the day |
| 23:16.48 | Com[Plex] | hehe, I think gameplay rocks now. |
| 23:16.56 | kergoth | bah |
| 23:16.57 | chouimat | look at Ultima IX, wtf 3D in an adventure game |
| 23:16.57 | kergoth | nowadays |
| 23:16.59 | kergoth | i buy a game |
| 23:17.00 | ElzWhere | anyone have problems With sd cards? |
| 23:17.02 | kergoth | play it for about 10 minutes |
| 23:17.04 | kergoth | and throw it away |
| 23:17.06 | kergoth | back then |
| 23:17.11 | kergoth | i played a game till it was done |
| 23:17.13 | kergoth | for weeks |
| 23:17.14 | kergoth | course |
| 23:17.18 | kergoth | back then there werent shit for games out |
| 23:17.20 | Com[Plex] | elx, never had a single problem with them until yesterday when my sd card caught fire. |
| 23:17.21 | kergoth | there was jack for a selection |
| 23:17.35 | chouimat | kergoth: we need more Ultima type game not FPS |
| 23:17.38 | Com[Plex] | probably my own fault for trying to overclock it with a 24v battery |
| 23:17.50 | kergoth | chouimat: yes |
| 23:17.51 | ElzWhere | Com[Plex] each time i insert an sd card it everything freezes |
| 23:17.54 | ElzWhere | or crashes |
| 23:17.59 | kergoth | ElzWhere: what rom |
| 23:18.05 | ElzWhere | OZ 3.0 |
| 23:18.08 | Com[Plex] | really elz? did yuo try formatting it? |
| 23:18.10 | chouimat | kergoth: or strategy game like lgeneral |
| 23:18.12 | kergoth | ElzWhere: never heard of that .. |
| 23:18.17 | Com[Plex] | what size sd is it? |
| 23:18.21 | Com[Plex] | is it sd or mmc? |
| 23:18.23 | ElzWhere | Co64 |
| 23:18.25 | ElzWhere | 64 |
| 23:18.31 | ElzWhere | sandisk |
| 23:18.39 | Com[Plex] | sd then |
| 23:18.45 | Com[Plex] | weird.. |
| 23:18.51 | chouimat | ElzWhere: I have a 32 sd here no problem |
| 23:18.58 | ElzWhere | i dont really have anything to format it with |
| 23:19.01 | ElzWhere | no card reader |
| 23:19.18 | chouimat | ElzWhere: try to get the SDDR-73 |
| 23:19.42 | kergoth | ElzWhere: killall sdmgr |
| 23:19.46 | kergoth | ElzWhere: then insert the card and format it |
| 23:20.33 | kergoth | ElzWhere: thatll prevent the automount, which is likely where the hang happens |
| 23:20.33 | ElzWhere | ok |
| 23:20.43 | ElzWhere | how do i format the card? |
| 23:20.47 | ElzWhere | fdisk? |
| 23:20.55 | kergoth | fdisk is for partitioning |
| 23:21.02 | ElzWhere | right |
| 23:21.02 | kergoth | just mkfs.[filesystem] /dev/mmcda1 |
| 23:21.03 | ElzWhere | nm |
| 23:21.06 | kergoth | you want vfat or ext2? |
| 23:21.12 | ElzWhere | vfat |
| 23:21.18 | kergoth | there ya go then. mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcda1 |
| 23:22.46 | Com[Plex] | fanyone here got this extrernal batter pack for he z? |
| 23:23.02 | ElzWhere | yeah i did |
| 23:23.25 | Com[Plex] | the dsp-8100? |
| 23:23.30 | Com[Plex] | how do you like it? |
| 23:23.41 | ElzWhere | so far its nice |
| 23:23.46 | Com[Plex] | http://www.erwincomputers.com/digdpnimexba1.html |
| 23:23.47 | ElzWhere | my first pda so |
| 23:23.50 | ElzWhere | its hard to tell |
| 23:24.03 | Com[Plex] | okay, question, does it come with its own ac adapter? |
| 23:24.18 | ElzWhere | no |
| 23:24.23 | Com[Plex] | NO? aargh! |
| 23:24.30 | ElzWhere | yeah stupid huh |
| 23:24.31 | Com[Plex] | how do you charge it? |
| 23:24.40 | Com[Plex] | it says it does in this link |
| 23:24.40 | Com[Plex] | http://www.erwincomputers.com/digdpnimexba1.html |
| 23:24.42 | ElzWhere | use the one from the sync |
| 23:25.02 | ElzWhere | Com[Plex] well i got mine out of the box so to be honest im not sure |
| 23:25.10 | Com[Plex] | Ohh. |
| 23:25.10 | ElzWhere | ebay i got it for 20 bucks |
| 23:25.16 | Com[Plex] | ahh. okay :> |
| 23:25.18 | Com[Plex] | Digipower DPS-8100 Ni-MH External Battery Auxiliary Power Pack and Charger for Fuji and Ricoh Cameras Cable Included |
| 23:25.22 | Com[Plex] | woops |
| 23:25.36 | ElzWhere | Com[Plex] u got the camera for Z? |
| 23:25.52 | Com[Plex] | well. if the zaurus power cable works in the battery, then the cable that comes with this one will work as a spare for my z. |
| 23:26.11 | Com[Plex] | no, no camera., but I do have a 56k fax modem, and 100tx nic, and wifi card. |
| 23:26.35 | ElzWhere | i want to know how good the camera works, i just have the wifi card |
| 23:26.38 | ElzWhere | netgear |
| 23:26.46 | Com[Plex] | wifi sucks. |
| 23:26.46 | ElzWhere | i wanted the socket card but to damn expensive |
| 23:26.56 | Com[Plex] | the rj45 nic that i have is sooooo much nicer. |
| 23:27.05 | Com[Plex] | socket cards no better. |
| 23:27.31 | kergoth | depends what you mean by better |
| 23:27.47 | ElzWhere | kergoth thanx alot i think that worked |
| 23:28.24 | kergoth | ElzWhere: great |
| 23:28.29 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 23:28.30 | Com[Plex] | battery life, range.. actual functionality considering the total devouring of the battery that they do |
| 23:29.06 | Com[Plex] | kerg, anything I need to do once Ive isntalled oz? <connect to the net, download updated ipks?> |
| 23:29.07 | kergoth | I like wifi myself for convenience and lack of cord, though i'm almost always near a power source and/or AP |
| 23:29.23 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: not really. there are updated packages in the feeds, but the only changes are minor |
| 23:29.28 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: no critical updates necessary for once |
| 23:29.37 | ElzWhere | one more ? for u guys eversince the install of OZ my Q desktop on my windows hasent been able to connect anyone want to wale me through it? |
| 23:29.42 | Com[Plex] | I prefer the speed of rj45. |
| 23:29.54 | Com[Plex] | awesome kerg. good to hear you got a good release out. |
| 23:29.58 | kergoth | ElzWhere: read the faq? |
| 23:30.20 | kergoth | ElzWhere: chances are its something basic you missed. you have to run Security and hit OK, you have to hardcode the ip in the windows network interface |
| 23:30.31 | ElzWhere | aww |
| 23:30.36 | ElzWhere | thats probably it |
| 23:30.40 | kergoth | ElzWhere: read the faq :) |
| 23:30.42 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 23:32.41 | ElzWhere | kergoth im asking 100 ? to u guys today thats my goal, what internet browsers do u guys use preference? |
| 23:33.11 | Com[Plex] | heh. I just use opera. |
| 23:33.19 | Com[Plex] | what comes with oz3? |
| 23:33.24 | ElzWhere | nothing |
| 23:33.57 | Com[Plex] | oh.. |
| 23:35.20 | ElzWhere | well shit im on a roll today thanx to kergoth |
| 23:35.49 | Com[Plex] | I dont need a bootflag file anymore? |
| 23:37.14 | ElzWhere | Com[Plex] so now that my sdcard works i can use it as storage meaning i can install my programs on this card right? |
| 23:38.24 | Com[Plex] | hehe, yeah, sure. but it wont work unless you format it as ext2 :> |
| 23:38.38 | Com[Plex] | because vfat doesnt support symbolic links |
| 23:39.15 | Com[Plex] | and when you start installing files and apps to your sd card, you will want to just leave it in the machine at all times. |
| 23:39.52 | Com[Plex] | taking it out with all the TKC apps youve bought installed to it has an ungraceful result. |
| 23:41.06 | Com[Plex] | speaking of tkc apps,. I was downloading the latest bundle, and noticed the tkc player was updated to ??.22. Ive allways had problems with the player, it wont play my mp3 correctly <I format them to 64kb for size> |
| 23:41.29 | Com[Plex] | allways makes them play really fast. anyoen else have this problem? |
| 23:41.48 | ElzWhere | shit i havent been able to listen to a mp3 yet |
| 23:41.53 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 23:41.55 | Com[Plex] | why not? |
| 23:42.15 | ElzWhere | just havent gotten around to i :) |
| 23:42.16 | ElzWhere | it |
| 23:42.24 | ElzWhere | only had this thing for 3 days now |
| 23:42.37 | Com[Plex] | why are yu using oz3 if you jsut got the thing? |
| 23:42.45 | ElzWhere | i love linux |
| 23:42.51 | Com[Plex] | why dont you get used to it before you go tampering with teh os. lol |
| 23:42.52 | ElzWhere | use slackware all day everyday |
| 23:42.58 | ElzWhere | nope not me |
| 23:43.02 | Com[Plex] | well Qtopia is linux too |
| 23:43.29 | Com[Plex] | Oh hey kergoth,. about the oz3, do I need some special release of the vnc server and viewer to make thigns run? |
| 23:44.14 | Com[Plex] | how much software comes pre installed with oz3? |
| 23:44.24 | ElzWhere | not sure just like messing with things, making it the way i want it to look u know, i know i probably should have played with it frist but when i saw open zaurus its pretty much the reason why i bought the thing. I could've gotten a toshiba but i love open source |
| 23:44.28 | ElzWhere | and i hate windows |
| 23:44.35 | ElzWhere | well dont hate |
| 23:44.47 | ElzWhere | but dont like the limitations |
| 23:45.18 | Com[Plex] | I use it. win2k. and Ive never felt limited. |
| 23:45.29 | Com[Plex] | once yuo master the registry, theres very little you cant do. |
| 23:45.54 | ElzWhere | true, but 900 $ for win2k server is a little much for my broke ass |
| 23:45.56 | ElzWhere | :) |
| 23:46.23 | Com[Plex] | its 900$? |
| 23:46.27 | ElzWhere | yeah |
| 23:46.34 | Com[Plex] | why dont you get the student price. |
| 23:46.37 | Com[Plex] | like 100# |
| 23:46.38 | Com[Plex] | $ |
| 23:46.42 | ElzWhere | for server? |
| 23:46.44 | Com[Plex] | sure. |
| 23:46.45 | ElzWhere | no way |
| 23:46.54 | ElzWhere | wtf |
| 23:46.55 | ElzWhere | where |
| 23:46.56 | Com[Plex] | thers student prices for everything |
| 23:47.07 | Com[Plex] | *shrug* |
| 23:47.10 | ElzWhere | shit |
| 23:47.19 | ElzWhere | i would love to get that for 100 |
| 23:47.31 | ElzWhere | im sure alot of people would] |
| 23:47.46 | ElzWhere | then i'd become a reseller for companyies :) |
| 23:47.49 | Com[Plex] | I pirated win2k server. I know I know. Im a terrible human being. but I use it on a machine that earns no money and has no actual use to anyone cept me and my exploration. |
| 23:47.51 | ElzWhere | make bank |
| 23:47.56 | Com[Plex] | *gasp* |
| 23:48.08 | ElzWhere | yeah me too ;) |
| 23:48.37 | ElzWhere | would like to get a legal copy though and accully make money |
| 23:49.47 | Com[Plex] | I would say, I wouldnt pay 900$ for ANy app. - up until recently, - right now IM considering paying 3,600$ for a spftware package that qwill let me punch data disks for embroiderer machines. - I was a graphic artist for 5 years, and did some embroidery graphics. - good money in it. |
| 23:50.37 | Com[Plex] | at 100$ a disk, about 30 to 45 minutes per disk, I could make the money back fast enough. |
| 23:50.45 | ElzWhere | aww nice. yeah thats alot of money. shit i dont think i've paid more then 200$ |
| 23:50.50 | ElzWhere | lol |
| 23:50.52 | ElzWhere | yeah u would |
| 23:50.55 | ElzWhere | i would pay too :) |
| 23:51.38 | Com[Plex] | win2k pro. thats what i paid for. I was a beta tester for windows xp, and I Truly, Never Once installed it on my PC. |
| 23:51.54 | Com[Plex] | and I got a free copy of windows xp pro because of it. |
| 23:51.56 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 23:52.07 | Com[Plex] | its very pretty. the cd I mean.. |
| 23:52.20 | ElzWhere | lol i was beta tester for win .net server they promised me a copy when it comes out and its been over 3 months |
| 23:52.24 | Com[Plex] | sitting there on a shelf. I might make a mobile out of it |
| 23:52.38 | Com[Plex] | funny how that works. |
| 23:53.00 | Com[Plex] | I didnt hear from them the entire time I was enlisted as a tester, and then I get a free cd. |
| 23:53.02 | Com[Plex] | dumb luck |
| 23:53.16 | ElzWhere | yeah... u know whats funny is that when u do beta testing for ms that they had MAC OSX office |
| 23:53.19 | ElzWhere | software |
| 23:53.24 | ElzWhere | that u could get |
| 23:53.46 | ElzWhere | this is in redmond |
| 23:53.53 | Com[Plex] | hheh |
| 23:54.07 | Com[Plex] | hey man, office for Mac is Poweful! |
| 23:54.40 | ElzWhere | yeah i know... mac is comming back...just wish there prices would drop on there cpus |
| 23:54.45 | ElzWhere | they look nice |
| 23:54.57 | ElzWhere | with freebsd behind OSX jag |
| 23:55.30 | hash|z | and some faster systems wouldnt hurt either |
| 23:55.58 | Com[Plex] | I used to do "r&d" for the annual new software rollout at bates college. had to make all kinds of applications run simultaneously on a cornucopia of differnt macs, all the while patching everything for our key escrow service and stuff. it was a bitch! but it was opretty fun. - and once youisntalled ofice for mac, it installed so many OS mods, like "*gasp* a SECOND MOUSE BUTTON!! |
| 23:56.00 | ElzWhere | the g4 is sweet |
| 23:56.20 | Com[Plex] | macs suck, its the office for mac that made it cool. lol |
| 23:56.52 | ElzWhere | no way what i wouldnt do for a g4 powerbook... damn to damn much money |
| 23:56.57 | Com[Plex] | - "macs suck" because they are overpriced, and closed arcitecture. etc etc |
| 23:57.03 | ElzWhere | yeah way over priced |
| 23:57.13 | oGMo | macs don't suck |
| 23:57.16 | Com[Plex] | exactly. where do they get off charging that much? |
| 23:57.17 | oGMo | they've got a real OS now |
| 23:57.29 | oGMo | Com[Plex]: ever seen how much a sun or sgi workstation costs? |
| 23:57.33 | ElzWhere | shit i have no clue |
| 23:57.40 | ElzWhere | yeah but look at sun |
| 23:57.41 | Com[Plex] | its like they think they are so superior they can charge three times the average pc cost. |
| 23:57.46 | oGMo | an OSX workstation is pittance |
| 23:57.59 | Com[Plex] | woooptie doo. you ever see a teenager carrying a sgi laptop down the street? |
| 23:57.59 | ElzWhere | i agree OSX is the shit |
| 23:58.00 | Com[Plex] | no |
| 23:58.01 | kergoth | ElzWhere: look at what about sun? have you seen their stock prices lately? :) |
| 23:59.23 | Com[Plex] | anyone got windows 95 running on the z yet? <with bochs> |
| 23:59.51 | Com[Plex] | OMFG ! http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=669 |
| 23:59.52 | ElzWhere | kergoth what interent brower u use for OZ? |
| 23:59.59 | kergoth | ElzWhere: konqueror/embedded |
