| 00:00:00 | Bruton | can you port a zx spectrum game to zaurus? |
| 00:00:18 | Saurian | is pondering seeing how well the c64 emulator works so he can play Paradroid on the Z. }:) |
| 00:00:38 | Cloudchaser | i don't know how |
| 00:00:45 | Bruton | i want jet set willy and manic minor to make my life complete |
| 00:00:46 | Cloudchaser | i also would like game boy advanced |
| 00:00:58 | Cloudchaser | but with bigger screen than the game boy emu |
| 00:01:01 | Cloudchaser | that's too tiny |
| 00:01:04 | Cloudchaser | and slow ;( |
| 00:01:06 | n36826905 | hmmm |
| 00:01:30 | Saurian | So what did you port mark? |
| 00:01:40 | scan[testing] | ping |
| 00:01:45 | kergoth | scan[testing]: pong |
| 00:01:49 | scan[testing] | whee |
| 00:02:29 | Cloudchaser | http://www.masabi.com/repton/zaurus.html |
| 00:02:34 | Cloudchaser | Saurian: that |
| 00:02:41 | Saurian | Oh, Repton. }:) |
| 00:02:48 | Cloudchaser | you've played that? |
| 00:03:06 | Saurian | Seen it. |
| 00:03:09 | NetNut404_PDA | did the nick show right thhis time |
| 00:03:12 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 00:03:15 | NetNut404_PDA | ahhh better |
| 00:03:24 | Bruton | repton looks like rockman on spectrum |
| 00:03:38 | Cloudchaser | it looks fun |
| 00:03:43 | mark | Cloudchaser: it is |
| 00:03:45 | mark | bloody apache |
| 00:03:48 | NetNut404_PDA | broke down, and bought tkcjabber |
| 00:03:55 | Cloudchaser | can you play it all from the dpad? |
| 00:03:56 | Saurian | Similar to Boulder Dash |
| 00:03:59 | mark | Cloudchaser: yes |
| 00:04:05 | Cloudchaser | NetNut404_PDA: i like tkcjabber |
| 00:04:14 | Bruton | same game different names |
| 00:04:17 | Cloudchaser | use zic for irc though |
| 00:04:19 | NetNut404_PDA | me too |
| 00:04:29 | Cloudchaser | but jabber for ic |
| 00:04:31 | Cloudchaser | er |
| 00:04:33 | Cloudchaser | icq |
| 00:04:40 | NetNut404_PDA | cool |
| 00:04:55 | NetNut404_PDA | this is not good for irc your right |
| 00:04:58 | Cloudchaser | its ok |
| 00:05:05 | Cloudchaser | but zic has more features |
| 00:05:07 | NetNut404_PDA | but for yahoo etc etc it is |
| 00:05:13 | Cloudchaser | yep yep |
| 00:05:16 | Cloudchaser | all the im |
| 00:05:18 | omoore | just joined... |
| 00:05:23 | NetNut404_PDA | I just got it |
| 00:05:25 | omoore | there is a yahoo client for my Z |
| 00:05:27 | omoore | ? |
| 00:05:37 | NetNut404_PDA | yes |
| 00:05:43 | omoore | what is the client? |
| 00:05:44 | Cloudchaser | tkc has one |
| 00:05:47 | omoore | i need it |
| 00:05:47 | Cloudchaser | jabber |
| 00:05:48 | omoore | oh yheah... |
| 00:05:49 | NetNut404_PDA | tkcjabber |
| 00:05:51 | Cloudchaser | does em all |
| 00:05:54 | scanline | still thinks someone should port xchat to Opie, partly for coolness factor and partly for all of its extra features :) |
| 00:05:55 | mark | Bruton, Saurian, Cloudchaser: http://212.126.148.10/repton_0.85_arm.ipk -- let me know how you get on :) |
| 00:06:04 | omoore | i see |
| 00:06:07 | Cloudchaser | likes xchat |
| 00:06:21 | NetNut404_PDA | me 2 |
| 00:06:27 | omoore | wanna hear something awsome?... |
| 00:06:31 | scanline | For someone familiar with Qt programming it really shouldn't take long to port it |
| 00:06:32 | Cloudchaser | of course! |
| 00:06:46 | omoore | my z was used to feed the audio for a club here in houston last night! :-D |
| 00:06:49 | Cloudchaser | i always like to hear something awesome |
| 00:06:52 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 00:06:59 | Cloudchaser | thats so cool |
| 00:07:01 | omoore | i mounted a shared drive from my friend's laptop... |
| 00:07:07 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 00:07:14 | Cloudchaser | GO Z |
| 00:07:16 | omoore | he plugged in the audio plug into my z |
| 00:07:16 | Cloudchaser | !!! |
| 00:07:20 | Harlekin | scanline: there more more important things to port |
| 00:07:26 | omoore | and i used xmms to select the songs to play |
| 00:07:27 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 00:07:29 | Cloudchaser | was he totally impressed? |
| 00:07:39 | Cloudchaser | i use tkcPlayer to do that here |
| 00:07:39 | omoore | yes.. very freaking impressed...:-D |
| 00:07:53 | Cloudchaser | why didn't you do it from his pc? |
| 00:07:57 | Cloudchaser | just out of curiosity |
| 00:07:59 | omoore | cool factor |
| 00:08:01 | kergoth | geh, i hate it when i accidentally add a CVS dir into the cvs repos |
| 00:08:05 | omoore | wireless nic... |
| 00:08:05 | NetNut404_PDA | needs ppp via cell phone via serial to work still |
| 00:08:05 | kergoth | then cvs up always errors |
| 00:08:09 | omoore | he could walk around... |
| 00:08:12 | scanline | Harlekin: what's important to you may not be what's important to everybody else.. I didn't say you should port it, just somebody... though I know you just like disagreeing with everything I suggest |
| 00:08:12 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 00:08:15 | omoore | and que songs from the z |
| 00:08:25 | Harlekin | scanline: ? |
| 00:08:29 | Harlekin | whats your problem |
| 00:08:31 | Cloudchaser | i would port all kinds of things if i knew how |
| 00:08:39 | Cloudchaser | anyone want to teach me? |
| 00:08:39 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 00:08:39 | kergoth | oh theres such love in the air |
| 00:08:48 | Cloudchaser | hugs everyone and goes for another drink |
| 00:08:58 | mark | heh, all i ever seem to do is port stuff |
| 00:08:59 | NetNut404_PDA | same here |
| 00:09:07 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: very easy |
| 00:09:13 | kergoth | mark: better than me, all i ever seem to do is bugfix and script :) |
| 00:09:14 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: to the qt tutorials |
| 00:09:17 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: read a c++ book |
| 00:09:19 | Cloudchaser | anything is easy if you know how |
| 00:09:19 | hardwire | http://russianbrides.com/asp/page.asp?mode=0&id=16555 |
| 00:09:19 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: youre ready |
| 00:09:22 | scanline | Harlekin: you immediately dismissed the idea of both xchat and freetype in opie as unnecessary |
| 00:09:23 | Cloudchaser | i have a c++ book |
| 00:09:29 | Cloudchaser | i've read tutorials |
| 00:09:33 | NetNut404_PDA | tried too crosscompile a few apps, and got lost |
| 00:09:42 | omoore | btw... |
| 00:09:43 | Harlekin | scanline: most people would prefere a good browser instead i guess |
| 00:09:46 | Harlekin | except you |
| 00:09:53 | omoore | vncserver is now running properly on the SL-5500 |
| 00:10:02 | omoore | incase anyone was curious... |
| 00:10:06 | NetNut404_PDA | Y? |
| 00:10:10 | omoore | i'm using itnow... |
| 00:10:13 | Cloudchaser | i have vnc working for months |
| 00:10:19 | omoore | server.. not viewer |
| 00:10:25 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 00:10:29 | omoore | on the SL-5500 |
| 00:10:29 | Cloudchaser | don't use the view |
| 00:10:31 | Cloudchaser | viewer |
| 00:10:34 | scanline | Harlekin: I wasn't trying to set priorities, just make suggestions. Saying freetype on opie is useless is a lot different than saying konq/e development is more important |
| 00:10:35 | omoore | ? |
| 00:10:44 | omoore | server was seg faulting for me on my 5500... |
| 00:10:52 | omoore | until the version posted just a day or so ago |
| 00:11:13 | Harlekin | 01:08 < Harlekin> scanline: there more more important things to port |
| 00:11:21 | Harlekin | scanline: was not that misleading |
| 00:11:37 | Harlekin | kergoth: hehe, maybe we should allow silent commits |
| 00:11:38 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 00:11:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:11:49 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 00:11:51 | kergoth | i warned you |
| 00:11:52 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:11:57 | kergoth | and i'm not even done yet |
| 00:11:58 | Harlekin | is it ready afterwards? |
| 00:11:58 | kergoth | ;) |
| 00:12:00 | omoore | hey kergoth... you the one i wrote the script for? |
| 00:12:00 | Harlekin | oh |
| 00:12:07 | chouimat | kergoth: any docs? |
| 00:12:21 | kergoth | Harlekin: not quite, just need to glue to make the qmake .pro's work with qt/e, then the makefile glue |
| 00:12:42 | Harlekin | and please put some instructions up how to migrate |
| 00:12:45 | Cloudchaser | those docs don't tell how to port things |
| 00:13:12 | mark | Cloudchaser: got the ipk? :) |
| 00:13:22 | Cloudchaser | yep goign to ssh it over now |
| 00:13:29 | omoore | what is an ipk? it is a tarball? |
| 00:13:30 | scanline | Harlekin: ah, ok. I guess I was just still thinking about your remarks about freetype... |
| 00:13:32 | omoore | er.. |
| 00:13:34 | omoore | imean.. what format |
| 00:13:37 | Cloudchaser | well scp that is |
| 00:13:41 | mark | Cloudchaser: good good, you can never be sure with my webserver :) |
| 00:13:41 | Harlekin | scanline: which are still right |
| 00:13:46 | omoore | can you use normal unix tools to extract the files? |
| 00:13:48 | Harlekin | scanline: as long as TT does not fix qt |
| 00:13:49 | mark | omoore: its a .tar.gz inside a .tar.gz basically |
| 00:13:53 | mark | omoore: yes |
| 00:14:14 | omoore | ahh.. so if there is an ipk that won't show up when i upload the file... |
| 00:14:22 | omoore | and a tar -xvzf file.ipk won't work... |
| 00:14:30 | omoore | the ipk is probably corrupt.. yes? |
| 00:14:31 | scanline | Harlekin: IIRC freetype is working in Opie in OZ3 right now |
| 00:14:42 | mark | omoore: something like that :) |
| 00:14:56 | noda | omoore: Er... newer ones don't use .tar.gz any more I don't think. |
| 00:15:08 | omoore | what do they use then? |
| 00:15:08 | mark | omoore: oh yeh, new ones use ar i think |
| 00:15:10 | Harlekin | scanline: sure, and wastes a lot of mem for each app |
| 00:15:20 | mark | omoore: yeh, new is a .tar.gz inside a .ar |
| 00:15:27 | Harlekin | scanline: great thing on a pda with broken vm kernel |
| 00:15:29 | Harlekin | but ok |
| 00:15:31 | omoore | ok.. so use 'ar' command? |
| 00:15:37 | scanline | Harlekin: ah, so no cache sharing yet? That's ok, the Z has plenty of memory |
| 00:15:43 | scanline | :) |
| 00:15:49 | Harlekin | scanline: even worse |
| 00:15:49 | mark | omoore: yeh, ar xf *.ipk |
| 00:15:55 | Harlekin | scanline: tehy are loaded for _each_ app |
| 00:15:58 | kergoth | Harlekin: the freetype stuff isnt preinstalled, if people want it, its on their head |
| 00:15:59 | Harlekin | total |
| 00:16:07 | Harlekin | kergoth: yeah sure |
| 00:16:12 | Harlekin | id like some better fonts too |
| 00:16:17 | omoore | scanline.. and gigs of 'drive space' if you mount your pc drive like me :-) |
| 00:16:33 | scanline | Harlekin: alright, I just didn't know the sharing hadn't been fixed |
| 00:16:42 | omoore | scanline.. to 'show of'... |
| 00:16:44 | Harlekin | scanline: i hope they do it for qt3 |
| 00:16:47 | Harlekin | /e |
| 00:16:47 | scanline | omoore: 645GB over NFS: ) |
| 00:17:06 | omoore | scanline.. i even mounted an nfs partition from my home linux box while here in houston.. and played a couple at the club |
| 00:17:08 | Harlekin | 2,4 TB via ipsec tunnel |
| 00:17:08 | raster | scanline: plenty of ram? 32mb HA! hgehehehe. thats bugger all if you want to start taking unicode fonts & glyph bitmaps, outline data etc. :) |
| 00:17:10 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 00:17:18 | Harlekin | raster: 64 |
| 00:17:19 | omoore | feaking cool man! |
| 00:17:25 | Cloudchaser | neato ;) |
| 00:17:49 | scanline | raster: freetype's caching is pretty good from what I've seen |
| 00:17:55 | omoore | my z is affectionely called my 'pocket server' :-) |
| 00:18:11 | raster | Harlekin: well consumer version.. of which afetr kernel, qpe and the ramfs has used up a chunk.. nto much it left |
| 00:18:11 | raster | :) |
| 00:18:22 | raster | scanline: yeah.. but if tis only per app... :) |
| 00:18:43 | omoore | later all.. gotta go |
| 00:19:09 | Saurian | mark: Not bad at all |
| 00:19:09 | scanline | raster: I haven't tried freetype2 under opie yet, but it works great under picogui.. uses about 2MB of ram I think with the default cache size |
| 00:20:03 | scanline | I was probably using maybe 3 fonts simultaneously, with a few more than that installed |
| 00:20:26 | scanline | someday I'll conduct some more scientific tests on freetype performance on the Z |
| 00:20:43 | mark | Saurian: its a good game :) |
| 00:20:59 | Saurian | What's the reg key going to cost, and are levels files, or built in? }:) |
| 00:21:14 | raster | scanline: yeah.. hats the problem... those 2mb :) |
| 00:21:48 | scanline | raster: yeah, that would suck per-app, but with just one global font cache it's fine |
| 00:22:27 | Twiun | raster: it's also quite a lot of ROM space freed from having those bitmapped fonts |
| 00:22:45 | Twiun | raster: Japanese fonts are huge |
| 00:22:51 | mark | Saurian: its $15 i think |
| 00:23:23 | Cloudchaser | 15.00 for a game? |
| 00:23:31 | Cloudchaser | hmm a bit pricey |
| 00:23:52 | raster | Twiun: japanese ttf's are HUGE. the unicode version of arial is 13mb. |
| 00:24:34 | Twiun | raster: yeah... how big is the .qpf equivalent for all the required font sizes? |
| 00:24:48 | scanline | The cyrillic/european/hebrew unicode font I'm using is only about 50k |
| 00:25:06 | raster | if all you want is low-res 8pixel, 10/12 pixel high renderigns youre probabyl better off with a compressed set of bitmapped renderings of the glyphs. |
| 00:25:21 | raster | Twiun: not sure. i'm just going on instinctive hunch :) |
| 00:26:00 | Twiun | I tend to use a larger variety of fonts than just 8,10,12pix... thing styles too |
| 00:26:11 | Twiun | so I'm obviously biased towards ttf |
| 00:26:20 | Twiun | s/thing/think/ |
| 00:26:33 | scanline | well, added to the fact that freetype2 is the coolest thing since sliced lasagna :) |
| 00:27:24 | TheMasterMind1 | you can slice lasagna? |
| 00:27:48 | raster | Twiun: they have their uses.. but 13mb (thats compressed too) is a LOT of flash, not to mention the tt'f are all copyrighted and you cant re-distribute them freely. (all the godo ones anyway) |
| 00:28:24 | Twiun | raster: why not have the best of both worlds then? bitmapped jp/cn fonts and ttf for the rest? |
| 00:29:03 | Twiun | you don't *have* to use the ttf engines, the more options the better |
| 00:29:24 | scanline | freetype handles .bdf and .pcf bitmapped fonts fine |
| 00:30:56 | raster | Twiun: i alreayd have ttf(freetype) support.. BUT relying on ttf's only is bad cause 1. copyright issues for decent fonts, 2. some fonts are probabyl smaller & better off as graymap/bitmap renderings |
| 00:31:32 | raster | scanline: just as bitmap. if you want graymap (ie pre-computed aa) you have to "do it yourself" |
| 00:32:36 | scanline | raster: oh yeah, spaced out that option for a minute. I was planning on using that for antialiased fonts on the zaurus, but the freetype2 engine in picogui is so cool there's not much reason to use anything else yet |
| 00:33:01 | scanline | I wasn't expecting freetype to be fast enough, but with the glyph caching it's just fine |
| 00:33:52 | raster | scanline: i woudlnt consider using it WITHOUT caching at all! cache or bust! |
| 00:33:52 | raster | :) |
| 00:34:19 | scanline | raster: right, I just had no idea what kind of performance to expect out of it |
| 00:34:23 | raster | tho i actualyl wrote m own cache stuff. i just sue ft2 for the load/render, because the cache api wasn't well documented at all when i wrote the code |
| 00:34:56 | scanline | It still isn't well documented, and it's still changing... picogui requires the latest CVS of freetype |
| 00:35:16 | scanline | but it looks awesome, and without any patches |
| 00:35:45 | raster | yeah thats why i steered clear of tis cache code. :) |
| 00:35:51 | raster | bu yeah ft2 does a godo job |
| 00:36:20 | raster | i'm into the idea of using an ft2-based font complier to pre-render glyphs to files as graymaps |
| 00:37:11 | scanline | why? you'd lose the scalability, and freetype on the Z or iPaq is plenty fast enough |
| 00:37:44 | scanline | If you only had a select few font sizes you could do smooth zoom-ins on text :) |
| 00:37:51 | raster | 1. can now load ttf's withotu havign to ship them - bypassing copyright problems |
| 00:38:20 | scanline | I get around #1 by using GPL'ed or otherwise free as in speech fonts |
| 00:38:25 | TheMasterMind1 | USE OPENZAURUS! |
| 00:38:43 | raster | 2. can make smaller font files (arial.ttf is about 267k here) if all you need is fonts at 1 or 2 sizes. |
| 00:39:14 | raster | scanline: are there any GOOD ones? there are free ones.. but all the free ones i've found scale horribly - especially t 6 or 8 pixels in size |
| 00:39:29 | raster | TheMasterMind1: this has nothing to do with openzaurus :) |
| 00:40:09 | TheMasterMind1 | raster: eh? i wasn't reading what was going on. just wanted to shout that out loud |
| 00:40:09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:40:12 | scanline | raster: I searched quite a bit, and made a package of free fonts for picogui, mostly from openoffice and ghostscript |
| 00:40:22 | TheMasterMind1 | people on zsi aren't using it it seems.. its not in the top10 |
| 00:40:23 | TheMasterMind1 | :( |
| 00:40:34 | scanline | raster: the openoffice fonts scale pretty decently if you use the latest freetype and force autohinting |
| 00:40:40 | raster | TheMasterMind1: oh.. hahahah :) |
| 00:41:00 | scanline | raster: http://picogui.org/download/finally.png <-- all Free fonts |
| 00:41:34 | raster | scanline: whats the helvetica/arial like font? |
| 00:41:45 | scanline | raster: that's Helmet, from OpenOffice |
| 00:41:51 | raster | aaah |
| 00:42:18 | scanline | raster: all of these can look like complete crap if you have an old or improperly configured freetype, but with some tweaking they can look pretty sweet |
| 00:42:46 | TheMasterMind1 | tries to figure out how to get his vmware winxp to use the gps |
| 00:43:15 | coup-PDA | scanware:that picogui? |
| 00:43:18 | scanline | coup-PDA: yes |
| 00:43:21 | coup-PDA | scanline even |
| 00:43:22 | raster | scanline: hmmmmm... |
| 00:43:24 | coup-PDA | heh |
| 00:43:30 | coup-PDA | looks sweet |
| 00:43:51 | scanline | hehe, yep.. Fluidity is pretty neat |
| 00:44:09 | coup-PDA | what r all the dialog things? |
| 00:44:48 | hardwire | happy smelloween! |
| 00:44:50 | scanline | The app on bottom is just a demo for the standard dialogs, then there's a terminal emulator, and on top a test app for the text editing widget |
| 00:44:56 | raster | it seems my freetype2 code works nicely. helmet looks decent @ 8pixels |
| 00:45:22 | scanline | raster: cool. I've found that forcing autohint makes the most difference, and subpixel positioning definitely can't hurt |
| 00:45:45 | scanline | raster: I need to implement kerning in picogui :) |
| 00:45:46 | raster | scanline: well sub-pixle pos isnt much use if you're caching glyphs! |
| 00:45:47 | raster | :) |
| 00:45:55 | raster | scanline: ah you dotn have kerneing done? |
| 00:46:39 | erikd | i missed it if anyone answered me before: does QPainter have rotate() removed on the z? |
| 00:47:23 | scanline | raster: oh, you have to round off the position for each glyph or you'll mess up the hinting, but if you use fixed point internally it keeps cumulative rounding errors from building up |
| 00:47:51 | raster | scanline: oh - just for glyph positioning & advance etc? |
| 00:48:02 | raster | & kerning... |
| 00:48:03 | scanline | yes |
| 00:48:09 | raster | aah gotcha |
| 00:48:26 | scanline | otherwise caching would be useless and you'd completely mess up the font hinting, and that wouldn't be happy |
| 00:49:01 | raster | scanline: tho i round down and just use whole pixle co-ords and it doesnt seem to look too bad... |
| 00:49:13 | scanline | yeah, the difference is subtle |
| 00:49:26 | erikd | anyone? |
| 00:49:38 | raster | let me just twiddle the code here and see... |
| 00:49:52 | scanline | it's more noticeable the smaller the font gets... if you were doing microscopic text for a print preview, for example, you'd definitely want subpixel positioning |
| 00:50:42 | raster | tesses up if he shodul use 16.16 or 24.8 |
| 00:50:55 | scanline | Also, I noticed freetype has modes for both horizontal and vertical subpixel decimation.... so you'd be able to use that in either rotation on the Z or iPaq |
| 00:51:39 | scanline | raster: the values you get from freetype are only 26.6, is there any point in using more resolution than that? |
| 00:51:50 | raster | scanline: i do all my rendering in horizontal. conversion to 90 or 270 degree rotation onyl happens in a rgb buf ->screen convert at he end so the whoel rendering system internalyl doesn thave a clue what rotation it has |
| 00:51:50 | raster | :) |
| 00:51:52 | scanline | 16.16 might cause overflow if you have a big document you're scrolling through |
| 00:52:09 | raster | scanline: advance in freetupe is 16.16 |
| 00:52:17 | raster | pen_x += fg->glyph->advance.x >> 16; |
| 00:52:18 | raster | eg :) |
| 00:52:26 | raster | and nah |
| 00:52:27 | raster | that wont |
| 00:52:42 | raster | cause everything is rendeered at display pixle co-ords with 0,0 being the top-left of the screen |
| 00:52:49 | scanline | raster: that's not what I was talking about, I meant the antialiasing method where you use the 1/3 pixels you get on LCDs. For that you have to know the physical orientation of the display |
| 00:52:57 | raster | so youd need a 32kx32k screen to make things go wrong |
| 00:52:58 | raster | :) |
| 00:53:08 | raster | ooh |
| 00:53:11 | raster | cleartype stuff |
| 00:53:23 | raster | YUK YUK YUK YUK |
| 00:53:28 | raster | you *LIKE* that |
| 00:53:31 | scanline | Ah.. the advances are 16.16, but isn't pretty much anything else 26.6? Anyway, I've had problems with overflow using 16-bit coordinates so I thought I'd warn you :) |
| 00:53:32 | raster | man that loosk BUTT UGLY |
| 00:54:12 | scanline | raster: It depends... black text on a white background, with a good LCD looks great when done properly |
| 00:54:16 | raster | decided 24.8 sounds good enuf |
| 00:54:53 | raster | scanline: nah. i dont think so. 've had a ppc device doing it (black on white) and it looks butt ugly. coloured fringing... YUK |
| 00:55:00 | raster | reminds me of HAM |
| 00:55:14 | scanline | oh.. if you're getting fringing the implementation's buggy or has the wrong gamma correction |
| 00:55:16 | raster | and in this day and age.. those kind of hacks are just not right |
| 00:55:26 | scanline | when done properly you see no fringing |
| 00:55:28 | raster | this was windows |
| 00:55:30 | raster | pocketpc |
| 00:55:33 | raster | cleartype enabled |
| 00:55:38 | scanline | Who says windows does it properly? :) |
| 00:55:39 | raster | youd think *THEY* got it right |
| 00:55:40 | raster | :) |
| 00:55:45 | raster | nah |
| 00:55:52 | raster | every single time i see this stuff i almost puke |
| 00:55:57 | raster | :) |
| 00:56:05 | scanline | Anyway, I haven't played with it much, so I'm just going by screenshots taken by freetype and X developers, just something I'd like to play around with |
| 00:57:42 | raster | scanline: hmmm well let me just sya that in theory on paper is soudns good. everyne mumbles about it.. but in practise.. it looks ugly. |
| 00:57:57 | scanline | k |
| 00:58:22 | scanline | There's a reason it hasn't been implemented yet in picogui- more important things for me to do. But it's on the todo list somewhere :) |
| 00:59:36 | raster | hmmmmmmm |
| 00:59:50 | raster | moving to 24.8 made zero difference in the rendering |
| 00:59:52 | raster | hmmm |
| 00:59:56 | raster | facinating |
| 01:00:46 | benmeyer | http://www.samengstrom.com/ipaq/#drawcal |
| 01:04:57 | benmeyer | anyone tried gpe? |
| 01:05:02 | benmeyer | anyone here? |
| 01:05:15 | Cloudchaser | i'm here ;) |
| 01:07:31 | raster | hmmmmm |
| 01:07:37 | raster | very odd |
| 01:08:01 | raster | moving to fixed point did nothing for glyph positioning... |
| 01:08:03 | raster | oh well |
| 01:08:15 | raster | must be very coarse advance & kerning |
| 01:15:48 | IPmonger | does anyone here use the Linksys WFC11 ? |
| 01:15:58 | mark | IPmonger: yeah |
| 01:16:11 | IPmonger | Do you know the difference between it and the WFC12? |
| 01:16:20 | IPmonger | would the WFC12 work in a Z? |
| 01:18:49 | erikd | benmeyer: you still around? |
| 01:19:21 | benmeyer | yup |
| 01:19:28 | benmeyer | IPmonger: I use it |
| 01:19:34 | benmeyer | the 12 is smaller |
| 01:19:39 | IPmonger | but it works? |
| 01:19:45 | oGMo | why does opie-addresbook keep saying i was born in february, 8000? |
| 01:19:56 | mark | is away: sleep |
| 01:20:09 | oGMo | i can't find how to reset it... i deleted businesscard.vcf and even moved the addressbook |
| 01:20:11 | oGMo | i swear it worked ok yesterday |
| 01:20:16 | ljp | cause you havent been born yet |
| 01:20:24 | benmeyer | yes it should |
| 01:20:39 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/dir.php?gallery=ns/ |
| 01:20:41 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 01:21:26 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/dir.php?gallery=Network%20Setup/ |
| 01:21:28 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 01:21:31 | benmeyer | sorry wrong url |
| 01:36:55 | erikd | benmeyer: did trolltech take rotate() out of QPainter for Qtopia? |
| 01:40:33 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:40:35 | TheMasterMind1 | nice gallery software |
| 01:40:58 | chouimat | bullshit_artist: nice nick |
| 01:41:16 | bullshit_artist | ssshh. it's a halloween costume. I'm a stand-up philosopher! |
| 01:45:14 | | wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 01:45:14 | badalex|dinner | ibot wireless |
| 01:45:46 | | i heard wifi was see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 01:45:46 | badalex|dinner | ibot wifi |
| 01:46:19 | badalex|dinner | does anyone know where that site on wireless card battery ussage is? |
| 01:46:54 | badalex|dinner | nm found it |
| 01:48:19 | badalex|dinner | yuck only about 1 hour with backlite on full |
| 01:50:11 | ljp | updated embeddedkonsole for Sharp rom available from myzaurus.. includes wrap/no wrap horizontal scrolling |
| 01:51:37 | chouimat | is going to check his homemade beef jerkies |
| 01:53:36 | ljp | fine, be that way |
| 01:54:41 | Boog | yummm...beef jerky.... |
| 01:54:48 | ljp | has no life, so he'll be your dj tonight |
| 01:54:53 | Boog | deer jerky is awesome too |
| 01:55:19 | ljp | sickos |
| 01:55:25 | Boog | how so? |
| 01:55:28 | ljp | heheh |
| 01:55:32 | kergoth`out | mm jerky |
| 01:55:32 | Boog | lol |
| 01:55:35 | ljp | meanies |
| 01:55:58 | ljp | kergoth: konsole has no wrap now... fyi |
| 01:55:58 | Boog | you a vegatarian? |
| 01:56:12 | ljp | yep.. regular Boulder hippy |
| 01:56:17 | Boog | lol |
| 01:56:23 | bullshit_artist | ljp: boulder? |
| 01:56:24 | kergoth | ljp: niftyy |
| 01:56:27 | ljp | evewear Birks |
| 01:56:35 | ljp | boulder colorado |
| 01:56:44 | ljp | even wear that is |
| 01:56:47 | bullshit_artist | ljp: I'm in boulder too |
| 01:56:56 | ljp | when I'm not wearing Sorels |
| 01:57:00 | bullshit_artist | lots of snow tonight :) |
| 01:57:09 | Boog | ewww...snow? |
| 01:57:11 | ljp | scanlines in Bo too |
| 01:57:21 | bullshit_artist | is scanline |
| 01:57:25 | kergoth | i'm surprised we dont have snowcover here yet |
| 01:57:27 | Boog | you can keep it out there |
| 01:57:29 | bullshit_artist | This is my halloween costume |
| 01:57:38 | ljp | ahhh |
| 01:57:50 | ljp | actually I'm in Longmont |
| 01:57:52 | Boog | we have a heatwave of 43 deg here in ohio |
| 01:58:02 | bullshit_artist | oh. liar |
| 01:58:03 | badalex|dinner | Boog: thats some heat wave |
| 01:58:05 | ljp | but my hearts in boulsder |
| 01:58:08 | Boog | lol |
| 01:59:03 | Boog | I get to have a bit of a tease next month...get to go to calif |
| 01:59:04 | Boog | :-) |
| 01:59:47 | ljp | tomorrow's my birthday |
| 02:00:04 | Boog | happy b-day |
| 02:00:25 | ljp | thx |
| 02:00:41 | ljp | I should go grab some rum |
| 02:00:45 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:00:47 | kergoth | 19:12 < viro> carldani: working with drivers/* is a moral equivalent of working helldesk on an |
| 02:00:50 | kergoth | ISP |
| 02:00:53 | kergoth | haha |
| 02:01:08 | Boog | lol |
| 02:01:13 | scanline | well that was fun... and for my next trick, maybe I'll pass out on this keyboard |
| 02:01:21 | ljp | hehe |
| 02:01:32 | ljp | brb.. rum run.. |
| 02:01:49 | kergoth | i'm completely out of rum |
| 02:01:55 | kergoth | and money |
| 02:01:57 | kergoth | sighs |
| 02:02:11 | Boog | hand kergoth a beer |
| 02:02:16 | Boog | all I have dude |
| 02:02:32 | ljp | sugar: make kergoth a long island ice tea |
| 02:02:32 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 02:02:35 | kergoth | hands back the beer and pours himself a white russian |
| 02:02:40 | Boog | lol |
| 02:02:42 | kergoth | i've still got *vodka* |
| 02:02:46 | kergoth | just out of rum |
| 02:02:47 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:02:58 | erikd | kergoth! |
| 02:03:01 | Boog | none of that hard stuff for me |
| 02:03:10 | erikd | do you know if trolltech took rotate() out of QPainter for Qtopia? |
| 02:03:41 | kergoth | erikd: hmm, dunno offhand man |
| 02:03:46 | ljp | raids his cash register for rum && |
| 02:03:55 | erikd | kergoth: =/ |
| 02:04:06 | kergoth | ljp: && what? |
| 02:04:16 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:04:17 | ljp | ?me really meant $$ |
| 02:04:26 | ljp | gak |
| 02:04:33 | ljp | I need to stop typing |
| 02:04:56 | ljp | rum && poontang |
| 02:06:05 | Boog | sets mode +poontang |
| 02:06:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:06:19 | Boog | ;) |
| 02:07:18 | Boog | Friday the 13th marathon on TNN |
| 02:08:35 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 02:08:37 | kergoth | doesnt have cable |
| 02:09:17 | kergoth | 19:31 < carldani> viro: you're telling me fixing floppy.c is not a matter of knowledge, but |
| 02:09:21 | kergoth | taste? |
| 02:09:23 | kergoth | 19:31 < viro> carldani: neither |
| 02:09:25 | kergoth | al viro is amusing :) |
| 02:09:27 | kergoth | 19:31 < viro> carldani: it's a matter of death wish |
| 02:12:40 | Boog | kergoth: where would I find a good cross compiler for the z? |
| 02:12:47 | | xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 02:12:47 | kergoth | ibot xcompile |
| 02:12:55 | Boog | sweet |
| 02:13:36 | ljp | ahh |
| 02:14:47 | ljp | scanline: you and I an hardwire should get together and go bowling or something sometime |
| 02:15:14 | scanline | do you know hardwire in person? |
| 02:15:18 | Boog | I love wget :-) |
| 02:15:50 | ljp | no, but he's in Ft Collins.. |
| 02:16:00 | scanline | nods |
| 02:16:06 | scanline | just wonderin |
| 02:16:26 | ljp | he's ugly, tho :) |
| 02:16:42 | scanline | is too :P |
| 02:16:51 | ljp | is also |
| 02:17:02 | scanline | http://picogui.org/people/scanline.jpeg |
| 02:17:04 | scanline | scary.... |
| 02:17:04 | Boog | we have all been blessed with the ugly stick |
| 02:17:51 | ljp | dorm room |
| 02:18:04 | scanline | yes, that's where I am now |
| 02:18:22 | ljp | ahh I lived in Ferrand Hall when I went there |
| 02:18:35 | scanline | I'm in Aden, right next door |
| 02:18:45 | ljp | no video cameras in the showers then, tho |
| 02:19:28 | scanline | video cameras? |
| 02:19:32 | ljp | was a bit lost in college and dropped out |
| 02:19:43 | ljp | or peep holes |
| 02:19:51 | scanline | I'm not getting much out of these classes |
| 02:19:58 | ljp | I didnt either |
| 02:20:07 | scanline | I think on one of the other dorms someone found holes in the showers |
| 02:20:16 | scanline | so now they have inspections and stuff... |
| 02:20:19 | ljp | ya farrand hall |
| 02:21:11 | ljp | my advice as an old man... tough out those boring classes. it's only 4 eyars or so.. |
| 02:21:18 | ljp | years |
| 02:21:35 | scanline | I have no problem keeping myself occupied :) |
| 02:21:37 | ljp | now.. back to coding! |
| 02:22:03 | scanline | huzzah, vertical cursor motion and scrolling works now |
| 02:22:15 | scanline | does some final bug checks |
| 02:22:54 | nasa | hey anyone know anything about wwwoffne? |
| 02:23:02 | neale | bites his tongue |
| 02:23:02 | kergoth | s/ne/le/ |
| 02:23:07 | neale | s/neale/ |
| 02:23:16 | nasa | ouch... |
| 02:23:36 | neale | don't worry, it's forked. |
| 02:23:38 | kergoth | sed: -e expression #1, char 8: Unterminated `s' command |
| 02:23:53 | neale | kergoth: nobody likes a smartass |
| 02:23:57 | neale | (unless the smartass is me) |
| 02:24:06 | kergoth | neale: yes, but the thing is, the smartass usually doesnt give a shit :) |
| 02:24:08 | scanline | hmm... some bugs, but too hard to fix for this release =) |
| 02:24:20 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:24:21 | neale | kergoth: I'm glad you see things from my point of view. |
| 02:24:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:24:50 | kergoth | IF YOU SHOULD DIE, DIE IN WINTER! |
| 02:25:00 | kergoth | i love this song for some reason |
| 02:25:02 | kergoth | its odd |
| 02:25:05 | neale | because then they can bury you in the cold hard ground? |
| 02:25:10 | ljp | freak |
| 02:25:15 | kergoth | ljp: and? |
| 02:25:21 | ljp | :) |
| 02:25:27 | neale | I think that was a command, not an observation. |
| 02:25:29 | neale | freaks |
| 02:25:29 | ljp | freaks are good |
| 02:25:34 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:25:35 | ljp | hahaha |
| 02:25:53 | ljp | decides his next app will be called freak |
| 02:25:56 | neale | ha ha |
| 02:26:05 | neale | it should be a screen saver. |
| 02:26:20 | neale | those always chew cpu in the name of freaking out. |
| 02:26:35 | ljp | screensaver for the zaurus.. hehehe |
| 02:26:44 | kergoth | do an old school demo for the Z |
| 02:26:49 | kergoth | like the ones from the demo scene |
| 02:27:20 | neale | dude, yeah |
| 02:27:25 | ljp | hmm today is crashing now |
| 02:27:28 | neale | get a purple motion soundtrack |
| 02:27:34 | kergoth | hah, yeah |
| 02:27:38 | kergoth | man, i miss those days |
| 02:27:40 | kergoth | ah well |
| 02:27:46 | neale | you can never go back |
| 02:27:52 | neale | in ten years you'll miss these days |
| 02:27:57 | scanline | dude... it's been so long since I've heard anyone mention purple motion! |
| 02:28:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:28:04 | neale | I have all his stuff |
| 02:28:05 | kergoth | neale: true that |
| 02:28:29 | ljp | purple motion? |
| 02:28:36 | neale | http://woozle.org/~neale/tmp/fc/ |
| 02:28:41 | neale | purple motion and skaven |
| 02:28:51 | neale | enjoy :) |
| 02:29:06 | kergoth | sweeet |
| 02:29:09 | scanline | woohoo, thanks! |
| 02:29:10 | kergoth | wgets |
| 02:30:09 | neale | de rien |
| 02:30:54 | kergoth | man, this brings back some memories |
| 02:30:56 | kergoth | thanks |
| 02:31:03 | neale | sure thing :) |
| 02:31:42 | neale | this is the same filesystem I had back in college |
| 02:31:50 | neale | I wonder what the oldest file I have is. |
| 02:32:08 | neale | -rw-rw-r-- 1 neale neale 163596 May 14 1995 d-gtagt.s3m.gz |
| 02:32:13 | kergoth | damn |
| 02:32:30 | neale | I bet I have something older |
| 02:32:41 | kergoth | i've lost all my data so many times, the only place my data is safe is on old ass floppies, where the data is slowly fading. i should copy that shit off before it dies |
| 02:33:33 | nasa | So am I the only person who wants to cache web pages for later reading???? |
| 02:33:35 | neale | ha ha, pgp2.6.2 source code |
| 02:33:49 | neale | I don't think that counts, it's from a tar file. |
| 02:33:50 | erikd | nasa: yes |
| 02:33:55 | erikd | :) |
| 02:34:01 | nasa | hehe |
| 02:34:04 | neale | I just use wget for that |
| 02:34:05 | neale | and read them on the bus |
| 02:34:17 | neale | for instance, I read larry lessig's blog on the bus home today |
| 02:34:23 | nasa | I am to lazy for that... |
| 02:34:32 | ljp | you guys read? I just look at the images ;) |
| 02:34:42 | erikd | haha |
| 02:35:02 | nasa | realizes he is too lazy to read anyways... |
| 02:35:38 | neale | nasa: what you need is some good old fashioned porn. |
| 02:35:52 | neale | that'll cure this "reading" phase you're going through. |
| 02:36:25 | neale | so, you guys getting any munchkins hitting you up for sweets? |
| 02:36:42 | erikd | not anymore |
| 02:36:46 | nasa | hmmm... that would suggest I need opieplayer2 working.... |
| 02:37:02 | kergoth | naw, not many munchkins around here i dont think |
| 02:37:09 | Boog | I now have about 2 pounds of candy, and not 1 munchkin |
| 02:37:22 | neale | lucky guy! |
| 02:37:27 | neale | My wife ate all our candy. |
| 02:37:30 | kergoth | haha |
| 02:37:32 | erikd | hehe |
| 02:37:35 | Boog | she can have mine |
| 02:37:38 | Boog | come get it |
| 02:37:39 | Boog | lol |
| 02:37:41 | kergoth | neale: gotta keep her in line man |
| 02:37:43 | kergoth | neale: :P |
| 02:37:49 | ljp | gets to coding on stockticker config |
| 02:37:54 | neale | I learned quickly not to get between her and candy. |
| 02:37:58 | kergoth | neale: lol |
| 02:38:00 | ljp | hahaha |
| 02:38:03 | Boog | lol |
| 02:38:04 | erikd | ljp: wanna figure out my code for me? |
| 02:38:21 | ljp | what code would that be? |
| 02:38:42 | erikd | the code that puts the ticks on the X axis and draws the dates on the statgrapher graph widget |
| 02:38:48 | erikd | i can't figure out what i did :) |
| 02:38:58 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:39:00 | treke|home | erikd: did you ever fix that connect problem? |
| 02:39:08 | erikd | thinks he should start commenting his code |
| 02:39:12 | erikd | treke: no =/ |
| 02:39:15 | treke|home | erikd: wtf? |
| 02:39:22 | treke|home | ljp: fix his connect bug |
| 02:39:28 | neale | ya know, skaven's stuff sounds pretty lame up next to purple motion's. |
| 02:39:28 | erikd | designer really b0rks it |
| 02:39:30 | darienm | * sigh * |
| 02:39:37 | darienm | hey erikd |
| 02:39:43 | erikd | there's a button on top of another one that doesn't want to go away |
| 02:39:43 | darienm | http://www.natural-selection.org/ |
| 02:39:47 | erikd | ... |
| 02:39:55 | erikd | based on that url i don't think i want to go |
| 02:40:02 | erikd | goes anyway |
| 02:40:16 | kergoth | neale: yes, it does |
| 02:40:27 | erikd | flash? |
| 02:40:33 | darienm | keep digging |
| 02:40:40 | erikd | doesn't have flash installed |
| 02:40:45 | neale | no way |
| 02:40:46 | darienm | skip it |
| 02:40:54 | neale | http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/41/purple_motion.html |
| 02:40:54 | erikd | i did |
| 02:41:01 | darienm | http://www.natural-selection.org/ns_home.html |
| 02:41:04 | neale | looks like he's writing video game music now |
| 02:41:05 | erikd | i'm fixing a graphical glitch with the graph now |
| 02:41:10 | erikd | oh |
| 02:41:12 | erikd | that way |
| 02:41:13 | erikd | :) |
| 02:41:17 | darienm | http://www.natural-selection.org/about_ns.html |
| 02:42:54 | kergoth | neale: holy shit, is that the same guy? |
| 02:43:02 | erikd | they have any screenshots? |
| 02:43:04 | kergoth | neale: thats damn cool |
| 02:43:32 | neale | I think it is |
| 02:43:36 | neale | all those guys were from Finland |
| 02:43:42 | neale | and he's talking about Assembly |
| 02:45:22 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:45:23 | kergoth | damn |
| 02:45:24 | Boog | http://www.ericmyer.com/stereotypes.htm ...............this can be entertaining |
| 02:45:26 | neale | Wow, this has lyrics |
| 02:45:30 | kergoth | it does? |
| 02:45:33 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 02:45:39 | neale | mosaic days |
| 02:46:25 | neale | holy cow, it busts out! |
| 02:46:44 | neale | I don't like how this part is mixed. |
| 02:47:30 | neale | wow man, purple motion. |
| 02:48:07 | kergoth | nuts, i didnt expect to see him still around |
| 02:48:55 | ljp | hmm this rum is making my headache go away |
| 02:49:00 | kergoth | ljp: woot |
| 02:49:03 | ljp | :D |
| 02:49:19 | chouimat | wonders if he opens his bottle of porto |
| 02:49:38 | kergoth | wanders off to get a white russian, his new favorite drink now that he's out of rum |
| 02:51:20 | ljp | well,, thats good. I'd hate to drink alone on my birthday eve |
| 02:53:36 | darienm | erikd: screenshots would not do this game justice. |
| 02:53:41 | darienm | its not like anything else |
| 02:53:53 | erikd | i'll have to try it sometime |
| 02:53:55 | darienm | http://www.natural-selection.org/screenshots_player.html |
| 02:53:57 | erikd | better than cs? |
| 02:54:00 | darienm | http://www.natural-selection.org/screenshots_commander.html |
| 02:54:30 | erikd | oooh, nice texturing |
| 02:54:39 | darienm | http://www.natural-selection.org/screenshots_aliens.html |
| 02:54:44 | darienm | http://www.natural-selection.org/screenshots_marines.html |
| 02:55:18 | darienm | There's a movie you can d/l on fileplanet. |
| 02:55:18 | erikd | !!!!!! |
| 02:55:21 | darienm | in-game |
| 02:55:21 | erikd | this looks awesome |
| 02:55:40 | erikd | it looks almost like a rts game where your units are real people |
| 02:55:43 | darienm | game came out today, server was full within 90 seconds of opening. |
| 02:55:45 | darienm | YES |
| 02:55:46 | erikd | i've been waiting for a game like that ;) |
| 02:55:57 | darienm | we shouldn't choke this channel with dribble |
| 02:56:21 | erikd | especially when i should be working on statgrapher |
| 02:56:23 | kergoth | err |
| 02:56:26 | kergoth | new rts? |
| 02:56:29 | kergoth | hops over there |
| 02:56:56 | erikd | from the looks of it, it's not quite an rts |
| 02:57:02 | kergoth | hrm |
| 02:57:05 | kergoth | geh, flash |
| 02:57:07 | kergoth | mutters |
| 02:57:40 | ljp | mutters about Germans sleeping when he needs to communicate to one of them |
| 02:58:01 | nasa | ok, enough playing with wwwoffle -- time to play some d2 |
| 02:58:15 | darienm | kergoth: this game is awesome |
| 02:58:16 | nasa | will be back later |
| 02:58:22 | kergoth | darienm: you have it? |
| 02:58:27 | darienm | kergoth: running a server |
| 02:58:32 | erikd | at ipc? |
| 02:58:34 | darienm | kergoth: ns.chimayhem.com |
| 02:58:38 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:58:44 | darienm | erikd: yes, took down CS |
| 02:58:48 | erikd | !@#$ |
| 03:01:14 | ljp | wonders why Today is not showing two of every plugin in the config.. but not mine |
| 03:01:28 | ljp | s/now/not |
| 03:03:16 | ljp | damn, a frickin monkey could write better tv shows |
| 03:03:38 | treke|home | what about a cat? |
| 03:03:54 | erikd | or a gorilla |
| 03:04:05 | ljp | nope a monkey |
| 03:04:16 | ljp | a.. WORM! could write better tv |
| 03:04:19 | erikd | has no hope then |
| 03:04:42 | treke|home | what about a dead frog? |
| 03:04:55 | ljp | yes.. a lickable dead frog |
| 03:05:27 | Boog | ewww...frog licker |
| 03:05:33 | ljp | contemplated naming a band 'The Frog Lickers' |
| 03:07:12 | ljp | wonders where his wife went |
| 03:07:54 | Boog | losing your wife isn't cool |
| 03:08:11 | Boog | why I don't have one....cause I'm alwyas losing stuff |
| 03:08:46 | treke|home | doesnt have one cuz he's an ugly asshole |
| 03:08:54 | Boog | heh |
| 03:09:28 | Boog | I have a woman, just not a wife...don't want to live with a woman just yet.... |
| 03:09:43 | Boog | being a bachelor is too much fun |
| 03:09:50 | erikd | i have a computer |
| 03:10:00 | erikd | is a loser |
| 03:10:01 | Boog | computers are cool |
| 03:10:05 | kergoth | i need a woman |
| 03:10:15 | Boog | women are cool |
| 03:10:15 | erikd | i do too |
| 03:10:16 | Boog | lol |
| 03:10:20 | benmeyer | Anyone here watch CSI? |
| 03:10:38 | Boog | benmeyer: I do sometimes |
| 03:10:51 | benmeyer | Tivo stoped at 10 cutting off the last 2 minutes |
| 03:10:54 | Boog | they get into some crazy stuff |
| 03:10:58 | benmeyer | I don't knwo how it ended |
| 03:11:21 | Boog | I didn't watch tonight :( |
| 03:11:24 | ljp | some women are cool |
| 03:11:36 | Boog | my woman is cool |
| 03:12:04 | ljp | my woman would be cool.... if I knew who she was |
| 03:12:29 | ljp | whats csi? |
| 03:12:37 | Boog | blone curly hair, hazel eyes, a good sense of humor and cute as hell.... |
| 03:12:57 | noda | Hey, I just watched csi :) |
| 03:13:05 | noda | Girl I'm after told me to :) |
| 03:13:13 | Boog | lol |
| 03:13:54 | noda | wonders what he'd do if she asked him to jump off a cliff. No, actually he doesn't :P |
| 03:14:21 | Boog | if she does then it's time to say bye |
| 03:14:25 | Boog | heh |
| 03:14:48 | kergoth | noda: just bring a parachute or hope there's water below |
| 03:15:07 | noda | kergoth: That'd take a conscious thought while around her... |
| 03:15:16 | kergoth | hmm true |
| 03:16:04 | erikd | friggin'.... |
| 03:16:07 | ljp | sicko.. |
| 03:16:11 | ljp | whoops |
| 03:16:15 | erikd | i hate graphs |
| 03:16:19 | erikd | just so everyone knows |
| 03:16:20 | ljp | wrong window |
| 03:16:39 | noda | erikd: Okay, nice to know. I love graphs :) |
| 03:16:48 | ljp | Qt needs a graph widget |
| 03:16:53 | erikd | yes! it does! |
| 03:17:09 | erikd | something where you can put dates on the bottom |
| 03:17:13 | noda | GNOME's got at least one bonobo object for graphs, doesn't it? Koffice must have one too. |
| 03:17:17 | ljp | man that rum is strong |
| 03:17:23 | chouimat | noda qwt |
| 03:17:33 | noda | qwt? |
| 03:17:43 | erikd | ugh |
| 03:17:49 | ljp | qt needs a _simple_ graph widget |
| 03:17:50 | erikd | qwt isn't pretty enough for qt |
| 03:17:55 | noda | He |
| 03:17:56 | erikd | yeah, that too |
| 03:17:57 | noda | h |
| 03:19:03 | erikd | so first i can't get this damn thing to show dates correctly and now it segfaults when i try to resize it |
| 03:19:44 | ljp | tried a make clean? |
| 03:19:55 | erikd | just did that |
| 03:20:05 | erikd | err |
| 03:20:07 | ljp | gcc really sucks, and you have to make clean alot of times |
| 03:20:08 | erikd | just -trying- that |
| 03:20:17 | erikd | goes to get a soda |
| 03:21:55 | ljp | is using mc to edit things tonight |
| 03:22:05 | oGMo | mc? |
| 03:23:08 | erikd | midnight commander! |
| 03:23:59 | erikd | got nethack installed on his z last night |
| 03:24:27 | erikd | i wish you could control your char with the pad thingy |
| 03:24:58 | erikd | ah, make clean did it |
| 03:25:05 | treke|home | erikd: you cant? |
| 03:25:16 | erikd | not for me |
| 03:25:18 | erikd | :) |
| 03:25:21 | erikd | i'm running 3.4.0 |
| 03:25:26 | erikd | tries again quick |
| 03:25:32 | treke|home | ah, the one I tried worked ( ipaq) |
| 03:25:45 | treke|home | I'd think the arrows mapped to the same things |
| 03:26:34 | erikd | nope, doesn't work |
| 03:26:41 | erikd | you can tap on the screen to move, though |
| 03:27:28 | erikd | well, it -is- open source |
| 03:27:34 | erikd | i could go in and add it myself |
| 03:33:01 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:34:18 | | darienm was last seen on #zaurus 35 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: erikd: yes, took down CS [Thu Oct 31 19:58:44 2002] |
| 03:34:18 | erikd | ibot seen darienm |
| 03:37:19 | | recommended, stable bootldr is 2.18.48, found at http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bootldr/ for cvsweb access |
| 03:37:19 | treke|home | ibot bootldr? |
| 03:53:54 | erikd | think anyone would mind if the graph didn't actually display dates and just showed the general visualization with labels on the y axis? |
| 04:40:59 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzzzzz |
| 04:47:40 | br33zy | happy holloween... |
| 05:03:15 | BZFlag | br33zy: it's Halloween, but thanx. |
| 05:04:31 | tux_mike | not for long |
| 05:06:21 | br33zy | holographic holloween :-) |
| 05:09:59 | br33zy | installing nethack.. |
| 05:14:18 | nasa | Ok, quick check before off to bed -- anyone know anything about wwwoffled? |
| 05:14:21 | | hmmm... mplayer is http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/mplayer_0.90pre7-1e_arm.ipk |
| 05:14:21 | badalex | ibot mplayer |
| 05:14:30 | | it has been said that mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert my movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 05:14:30 | badalex | ibot mencoder |
| 05:16:57 | | somebody said wwwoffle was available at http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ or available in ipk at http://hrabbey.webhop.net/Projects/Deb2Ipks/ |
| 05:16:57 | nasa | ibot wwwoffle |
| 05:21:25 | Zxcvb | is there a text viewer that does not do word wrap? |
| 05:32:52 | metaverse | does anyone here use SD cards with their zaurus? |
| 05:32:59 | kergoth | of course people use sd cards |
| 05:33:03 | metaverse | writes with mine are intollerably slow... |
| 05:33:16 | kergoth | sd is slow, yes |
| 05:33:26 | kergoth | The Z only uses one of its 4 data lines |
| 05:33:28 | metaverse | reads are fast, but file creation and writing takes eons |
| 05:33:30 | kergoth | hardware limitation |
| 05:33:38 | kergoth | what filesystem? |
| 05:33:42 | metaverse | ext2 |
| 05:33:50 | kergoth | i hear ext2 on cards is -way- slow |
| 05:33:54 | metaverse | hrmm |
| 05:33:56 | kergoth | try vfat just as a test |
| 05:33:58 | kergoth | compare performance |
| 05:34:16 | metaverse | ok |
| 05:34:25 | metaverse | thanks |
| 05:34:50 | kergoth | np |
| 05:34:56 | kergoth | doesnt even own a sd card yet :) |
| 05:37:40 | metaverse | eek, yah, it's much faster.. but what do I do about symlinks? |
| 05:37:52 | metaverse | I wanna have the sd be my default install media, like in the faq |
| 05:37:54 | metaverse | err sorry |
| 05:37:59 | metaverse | the openzaurus faq |
| 05:38:19 | metaverse | perhaps the wrong channel for this half of the question :) |
| 05:38:21 | kergoth | metaverse: not much we can do atm. vfat doesnt have symlinks, and ext2 is slow on cards. this is true of both sharp and OZ |
| 05:38:36 | metaverse | damn |
| 05:38:38 | wParam | what ever happened to that hacked minix thing? |
| 05:38:53 | kergoth | metaverse: however, chouimat is working on altering hte minix filesystem to support partitions greater than 64mb and long filenames, as minix is -much- faster on cards |
| 05:39:02 | kergoth | wParam: not certain. ask him |
| 05:39:24 | metaverse | do you guys happen to know the technical resons why ext2 is so slow on cards? |
| 05:39:29 | metaverse | just curious.. |
| 05:39:32 | kergoth | no |
| 05:39:40 | kergoth | if we did, we could fix it, or look into it, or something |
| 05:39:41 | treke|home | kergoth: isnt it the updating of the atime? |
| 05:39:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:39:43 | metaverse | heheh |
| 05:39:47 | kergoth | treke|home: good question |
| 05:39:54 | kergoth | metaverse: add noatime to the mount options in fstab |
| 05:40:00 | treke|home | kergoth: Everything I've seen recommends disabling that feature |
| 05:40:06 | metaverse | well I was thinking maybe it was some property of ext2 that you just couldn't fix |
| 05:40:06 | kergoth | treke|home: yes |
| 05:40:20 | kergoth | treke|home: thing is, our fstab is 'auto' |
| 05:40:29 | metaverse | ooh, ok, lets see what that does for me |
| 05:40:35 | kergoth | treke|home: will 'noatime' be interpreted as an invalid option for vfat? |
| 05:40:42 | kergoth | treke|home: if so, we cant set it as a default opt |
| 05:40:50 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 05:40:51 | treke|home | dunno |
| 05:40:57 | kergoth | beats the opie buildsystem |
| 05:41:06 | kergoth | watches it start behaving |
| 05:41:17 | metaverse | heheh |
| 05:42:38 | metaverse | actually it appears my fstab already has a noatime option in it |
| 05:42:39 | metaverse | hrmm |
| 05:42:54 | metaverse | yeah, this thing is mounted noatime |
| 05:43:18 | metaverse | rats |
| 05:44:55 | metaverse | is there a page where I can keep an eye on chouimat's work? will it be linked off the oz page at some point or in the faq? |
| 05:45:22 | kergoth | metaverse: ask him? |
| 05:45:25 | Zxcvb | I only use mmc cards for installing/running software |
| 05:45:39 | Zxcvb | the slow write speed isn't a problem, as I only install software once |
| 05:45:46 | kergoth | ibot: message for chouimat: What's the status on the minixfs hack / new card fs you were working on? |
| 05:46:04 | kergoth | ibot: message for chouimat: drop me an email regarding it, if you would |
| 05:46:06 | Zxcvb | kergoth: I hope the new filesystem won't be minix |
| 05:46:14 | kergoth | Zxcvb: um, scroll up |
| 05:46:15 | Zxcvb | kergoth: perhaps newminix for the fs type? |
| 05:46:16 | kergoth | Zxcvb: and read |
| 05:46:19 | kergoth | Zxcvb: then comment. |
| 05:46:37 | Zxcvb | kergoth: no, the fs type for mount |
| 05:46:42 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:46:48 | kergoth | of course we're not stupid enough to name it the same thing |
| 05:46:54 | kergoth | that'd be mind bogglingly stupid |
| 05:47:04 | kergoth | not to mention would break compatibility and confuse the users |
| 05:47:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:47:15 | kergoth | so dont worry about that |
| 05:47:26 | kergoth | we were thinking ozfs, but itll be useful for more than just oz |
| 05:47:48 | Zxcvb | hopefully also for desktop linux |
| 05:47:54 | kergoth | of course |
| 05:47:59 | kergoth | otherwise youre cf reader would be useless |
| 05:48:06 | kergoth | s/cf/cf\/sd\/mmc/; |
| 05:48:09 | metaverse | oh, and is it possible to rebuild the kernel for oz? or at least get a .config file for it to see whats there? |
| 05:48:21 | kergoth | ibot: tell metaverse about oz bk |
| 05:48:26 | kergoth | metaverse: /join #openzaurus |
| 05:48:34 | metaverse | right |
| 05:48:35 | kergoth | metaverse: no point in disturbing the locals with oz talk |
| 05:48:39 | Zxcvb | I wonder how those usb sd readers are able to work in linux |
| 05:48:43 | kergoth | how? |
| 05:48:53 | kergoth | as a usb storage device |
| 05:48:57 | kergoth | same as any other usb reader |
| 05:49:25 | kergoth | the reader hides the details of the access of sd from the linux box, it never has to touch the stuff which is iffy legally |
| 05:49:29 | Zxcvb | so the sd protocol is done in hardware? |
| 05:49:33 | kergoth | its just a storage device on the usb bus |
| 05:49:35 | kergoth | thats all linux knows |
| 05:49:36 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:49:57 | kergoth | well, not totally |
| 05:50:01 | kergoth | but in the case of the usb reader, yes |
| 05:50:05 | kergoth | its the only way |
| 05:50:51 | Zxcvb | yeah, short of a non-US developer |
| 05:51:41 | Zxcvb | any idea what the tmpramdisk package does? |
| 05:52:03 | Zxcvb | any idea what happened to securemmc? |
| 05:54:05 | kergoth | nope, and nope |
| 05:54:09 | kergoth | dunno |
| 05:54:51 | tux_mike | http://bbspot.com/News/2002/10/Top_11_scary1.html |
| 05:55:20 | kergoth | hmm, okay the Makefile generation from .pro rules for the new opie buildsystem work, now to build the glue to connect the configuration system to the build system |
| 06:12:31 | metaverse | oh, I got another question. does anyone here have their swap on an SD? or is that also terribly slow? |
| 06:13:00 | tux_mike | hrm... i've got an interesting question. how many batteries do you have on you normally? :) |
| 06:13:18 | tux_mike | something to think about, since moste batteries are explosive when heated :) |
| 06:13:35 | metaverse | heheh, does it use that much power? |
| 06:13:38 | metaverse | or are you just being an ass? |
| 06:14:04 | tux_mike | swap on sd is horrid. |
| 06:18:30 | Zxcvb | there is supposed to be one external battery for cameras that works perfectly in the Z |
| 06:46:27 | hash | hrm... cant get opie-netsetup to setup my wcf11 correctly |
| 06:46:50 | hash | i manulaly set the gateway as 10.0.0.1, but it defaults to my ap's address 10.0.0.10 |
| 07:02:45 | Speedy2 | Hey all |
| 07:05:17 | Speedy2 | Wow, is everyone gone? |
| 07:05:52 | Buck_Nake | sup all! |
| 07:05:55 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 07:10:50 | Speedy2 | Hey, anyone here using Kazaa? |
| 07:11:02 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: yeah |
| 07:11:15 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: what OS are you on? |
| 07:21:04 | PascalS | has anyone tested the difference in speed of MMC and SD? |
| 07:24:41 | Zxcvb | PascalS: yeah |
| 07:24:55 | Zxcvb | PascalS: sd is slightly faster (sd on the z only uses 1 data pin, just like mmc) |
| 07:25:07 | Zxcvb | PascalS: be sure to be careful about what mmc you use, though |
| 07:25:13 | PascalS | Hmm. any problems with mmc over sd? |
| 07:25:28 | PascalS | careful, why? |
| 07:28:21 | Zxcvb | PascalS: certain brands have problems, just like sd |
| 07:28:54 | Zxcvb | PascalS: yeah, sd eventually won't work in openzaurus, and sd can't have the filesystem changed to ext2 without problems |
| 07:29:06 | Zxcvb | PascalS: unless you use a pc based sd reader to reformat to ext2 |
| 07:29:23 | Zxcvb | PascalS: the only advantage I see to sd is that sd is available larger than 128MB |
| 07:29:31 | PascalS | Zxcvb: well, thats why I was looking at mmc, it's not cheaper here, tho. |
| 07:29:32 | Zxcvb | PascalS: but sd is much more expensive than mmc most of the time |
| 07:29:46 | Zxcvb | PascalS: I have a 32mb mmc, and it is enough |
| 07:29:57 | PascalS | I have a 5000D. |
| 07:29:58 | Zxcvb | PascalS: I only use it for software instalation and some docs |
| 07:30:08 | Zxcvb | PascalS: mmc and sd writes are horribly slow |
| 07:30:22 | PascalS | Reads are okay? |
| 07:30:33 | Zxcvb | PascalS: so I would use CF for any multimedia, game levels (like exult, prboom, etc) |
| 07:30:36 | Zxcvb | PascalS: yes |
| 07:30:37 | PascalS | define 'horrible' |
| 07:30:47 | Zxcvb | PascalS: but I only use my mmc/sd for installing software to |
| 07:31:00 | Zxcvb | PascalS: horrible, as in 2 minutes to install konqueror |
| 07:31:09 | Zxcvb | PascalS: as in serial port horrible |
| 07:31:16 | PascalS | Zxcvb: that is not pretty. |
| 07:31:34 | Zxcvb | PascalS: reads are slightly slower than builtin memory, at least for running software |
| 07:31:35 | PascalS | Sadly, though, no alternatives available. |
| 07:31:50 | Zxcvb | PascalS: mmc/sd are not suitable for audio/video |
| 07:31:55 | PascalS | Yes, I noticed that built-in isn't very fast either |
| 07:32:04 | Zxcvb | PascalS: not to mention a 512MB CF card is only $150 USD or so |
| 07:32:06 | Speedy2 | FlashROM or RAM ? |
| 07:32:11 | PascalS | well, I have 128MB CF for that. |
| 07:32:23 | Speedy2 | "built-in" |
| 07:32:23 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: ramdisk is slow |
| 07:32:29 | PascalS | RAM seemed slow, or at least not much faster than CF |
| 07:32:40 | Speedy2 | Must be Linux...RAM is chained to processor and is running @ 100MHz. |
| 07:32:48 | Speedy2 | Technically, 103MHz. |
| 07:32:54 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: the Z is 203MHz, isn't it? |
| 07:33:02 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: or 206 |
| 07:33:12 | Speedy2 | Zxcvb : The CPU runs @ 206MHz, the memory runs at most half (it can be 1/4 too) |
| 07:33:21 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: or does the arm CPU have a 2x multiplier? |
| 07:33:21 | PascalS | Zxcvb: doesn't really matter, does it, 203 or 206? |
| 07:33:24 | Speedy2 | CPU runs upto |
| 07:33:25 | Speedy2 | No |
| 07:33:31 | Speedy2 | The memory bus has a 2x/4x divider |
| 07:33:47 | Zxcvb | PascalS: yes, it does |
| 07:33:51 | Speedy2 | This is also specific to the StrongARM...ARM itself doesn't really apply (not trying to be picky) |
| 07:34:08 | Zxcvb | PascalS: for the bus speed and multiplier, at leaast |
| 07:34:15 | PascalS | Zxcvb: well, not for my typical usage it doesn't |
| 07:34:19 | Zxcvb | is exult any good on it? |
| 07:34:31 | Zxcvb | PascalS: for CPU speed it doesn't, but for the bus it does |
| 07:34:45 | Speedy2 | CF is interfaced via slow, 16-bit interface |
| 07:34:58 | Speedy2 | SDRAM is hooked to CPU's 32-bit data bus. |
| 07:35:18 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: then what is the mmc/sd interface, 4 bit? |
| 07:35:28 | PascalS | Zxcvb: try 1 bit? |
| 07:35:32 | Speedy2 | Zxcvb : It's "1-bit" since the SD/MMC is serialized |
| 07:35:37 | PascalS | Zxcvb: serial... |
| 07:35:59 | PascalS | Zxcvb: Bbut remember, serial doesn't have to be slow |
| 07:36:00 | Speedy2 | Technically, SD/MMC could be faster, but it requires a fast interface clock. |
| 07:36:01 | Zxcvb | ouch, no wonder it is slow |
| 07:36:28 | PascalS | Zxcvb: Serial ATA comes to mind. And FireWire and USB2.0 |
| 07:36:28 | Speedy2 | Lots of "serial" interfaces are not slow. |
| 07:36:33 | Zxcvb | I just use mmc for software instalation, and document storage |
| 07:36:43 | Zxcvb | is that what most people do with sd/mmc? |
| 07:36:53 | Speedy2 | A lot of cameras used SD/MMC |
| 07:36:54 | Zxcvb | and keep CF for multimedia or game levels for exult/prboom |
| 07:36:56 | PascalS | I think I'll buy 64MB MMC |
| 07:37:18 | | i heard mmc was MultiMediaCard mentioned at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqHardwareCompatibilityStorage |
| 07:37:18 | PascalS | ibot mmc |
| 07:37:41 | Zxcvb | I have a mmc with the brand and size listed as not working, but it works fine |
| 07:38:29 | Zxcvb | it's a 32MB one |
| 07:39:02 | PascalS | Zxcvb: do you have a 5500 or 5000? |
| 07:39:16 | Zxcvb | 5500 |
| 07:39:24 | Zxcvb | with the latest rom, including the security fix |
| 07:39:33 | Zxcvb | I have less than 10MB used |
| 07:39:41 | Zxcvb | SDL can't be installed to mmc/sd |
| 07:39:55 | PascalS | SDL? |
| 07:40:10 | Zxcvb | and the java editor (only java app) must be installed to ram, too |
| 07:40:17 | Zxcvb | PascalS: simple directmedia layer |
| 07:40:29 | Zxcvb | PascalS: an api for games similar to directx |
| 07:40:41 | PascalS | Zxcvb: oh, yes, that one |
| 07:40:56 | PascalS | Zxcvb: I don't really use my Z for that sort of thing, tho |
| 07:41:05 | Zxcvb | PascalS: needed for the gameboy emu, nes emu, prboom, exult (ultima 7 and serpent isle) |
| 07:41:24 | PascalS | Zxcvb: exactly the things I am not interested in :) |
| 07:41:45 | PascalS | is more or a cryptogeek |
| 07:41:46 | Zxcvb | PascalS: dancemonkeyboy runs nicely on the Z off of CF |
| 07:43:48 | Speedy2 | Cryptogeek, huh? |
| 07:43:58 | Speedy2 | Watch out our I'll LSFR you! |
| 07:44:22 | PascalS | LSFR? |
| 07:45:43 | Zxcvb | warchalking on the Z? |
| 07:46:05 | Zxcvb | too bad airsnort can't work, as it needs several gigabytes to store WEP data |
| 07:48:08 | PascalS | Zxcvb: you'd better attach an external battery if you want to do that. |
| 07:48:52 | Zxcvb | PascalS: I heard about an external camera battery pack that works fine (plugs into the AC adapter plug) |
| 07:49:13 | Zxcvb | PascalS: any idea what that was? |
| 07:49:14 | PascalS | Zxcvb: Well, you could write a BT driver for that BT-sd card so you can dump the airsnort data in a BT harddisk |
| 07:50:01 | PascalS | Zxcvb: Well, any battery pack that can supply 6V will probably work. |
| 07:50:25 | Zxcvb | PascalS: this camera battery had the right plug, too |
| 07:50:39 | PascalS | Zxcvb: Capacity should be (not an expert) at least 4-8 times the internal capacity |
| 07:50:49 | Zxcvb | also, where can I find a text viewer without word wrap? |
| 07:50:58 | PascalS | Zxcvb: as the Z will try to charge itself from that. |
| 07:51:32 | Zxcvb | PascalS: well, this was designed to run a camcorder for a couple hours |
| 07:51:46 | Zxcvb | PascalS: so it should run the Z for a good 8-10 hours constant usage |
| 07:51:47 | PascalS | Zxcvb: I plan to build one myself, using normal AA NiMH 1.5 volts or similar |
| 07:52:03 | Zxcvb | PascalS: an external camcorder battery, I believe |
| 07:52:20 | Zxcvb | PascalS: why not D NiMH? |
| 07:52:36 | PascalS | Zxcvb: I have a charger for the AA types |
| 07:52:57 | Zxcvb | PascalS: take 4 D NiMH, put them in series, then get 4 more and put those in series, then put the two "cells" of 6V in parallel |
| 07:53:04 | Zxcvb | PascalS: or do the same with AA |
| 07:53:07 | PascalS | Zxcvb: and those 4 battery AA packs are convenient to carry and will bring (checking...) |
| 07:53:21 | Zxcvb | PascalS: have two 4 AA cells in one pack |
| 07:54:25 | Zxcvb | PascalS: where do you get the plug? |
| 07:54:47 | Zxcvb | I was thinking of a rechargable lantern battery |
| 07:54:58 | Zxcvb | you just use a universal AC adapter to charge those |
| 07:56:27 | PascalS | Zxcvb: the ones I have now are 1600mAh@1.2 volts, so four should extend the Z more than enough. |
| 07:57:52 | Zxcvb | PascalS: or just use an inverter |
| 07:58:00 | Zxcvb | PascalS: 75 amps should be plenty, right? |
| 07:58:34 | PascalS | Zxcvb: 75 amps is insane |
| 07:58:35 | Zxcvb | 75 watts, I mean |
| 07:59:10 | PascalS | The charger input is rated at 0.27 amps |
| 07:59:17 | Zxcvb | just checked the adapter, and it says 13W |
| 08:00:03 | Zxcvb | PascalS: where will you get the plug for the Z? |
| 08:00:08 | PascalS | But don't bother with an inverter, just extra weight you don't need |
| 08:00:23 | PascalS | Um any electronics store. |
| 08:00:55 | Zxcvb | cheaper than a car adapter |
| 08:01:14 | elzwhere | anyone have trouble with sd cards? |
| 08:16:56 | Speedy2 | wtf |
| 08:16:58 | hash|z | hm.. |
| 08:17:13 | hash|z | what? |
| 08:17:20 | Speedy2 | hey |
| 08:17:28 | Speedy2 | You were asking about battery chargers and stuff |
| 08:17:29 | hash|z | hello |
| 08:17:36 | PascalS | Speedy2: yes |
| 08:17:37 | hash|z | i was? |
| 08:17:39 | Speedy2 | If you have a charger that works for AA it'll work for D (NiCd/NimH) |
| 08:17:42 | Speedy2 | (no, not you, pascals) |
| 08:17:46 | hash|z | hehe |
| 08:17:54 | Speedy2 | The only difference is that it will take longer to charge D sized cells |
| 08:18:03 | Speedy2 | What was your original plan PascalS ? |
| 08:18:07 | PascalS | Speedy2: Well, physical size also matters. |
| 08:18:07 | Speedy2 | I've recently built in inverter |
| 08:18:20 | Speedy2 | and battery chargers, so lay your questions on me. |
| 08:18:43 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: did your inverter actually give 50/60 cycles/second? |
| 08:19:11 | Speedy2 | Yeah. |
| 08:19:34 | Speedy2 | But I did that for a laptop, not a ZA. |
| 08:19:35 | Speedy2 | err |
| 08:19:35 | Speedy2 | Z |
| 08:19:46 | PascalS | Speedy2: I want to pack together 4 or 5 1.2 volts AA NiMH batts (4.8 or 6Volts) together |
| 08:19:56 | Speedy2 | To directly power the Z? |
| 08:20:05 | Zxcvb | does the Z care about how many cycles/second are used? |
| 08:20:13 | PascalS | Yes, direct power |
| 08:20:24 | PascalS | Zxcvb: the Z doesn;t care the adapter does |
| 08:20:25 | Speedy2 | Zxcvb : The Z expects DC, not AC |
| 08:20:31 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 08:20:37 | Zxcvb | PascalS: why does it matter, it uses a rectifier, right? |
| 08:20:48 | Speedy2 | No it doesn't use a rectifier |
| 08:21:02 | Zxcvb | PascalS: so european power shouldn't be a problem once the voltage is compensated for, righ?t |
| 08:21:07 | PascalS | Zxcvb: it probably has a nice coil in there somewhere |
| 08:21:09 | Speedy2 | PascalS : The input capacitors on the Z (DC source) are rated for onoy 6V, so you'd be careful with the 5x cells |
| 08:21:27 | Zxcvb | or will it not work with 50hz power, since it wants 60hz power? |
| 08:21:37 | Speedy2 | It uses a switching type power supply, but due to the poor input capacitor selection it will not tolerate above 6V on the input |
| 08:21:40 | Speedy2 | And it doesn't like AC |
| 08:21:46 | Speedy2 | It works on DC |
| 08:21:50 | PascalS | Zxcvb: the adapter takes 50-60Hz |
| 08:22:03 | Speedy2 | The adaptor is auto-switch, it'll do 110-220/240, etc |
| 08:22:18 | PascalS | Well, 5*1.2 is exactly 6. |
| 08:22:33 | Speedy2 | Except that the cell voltage of fully charged cells will be above 1.2V |
| 08:22:58 | PascalS | Which is slightly high, so I'll probably insert one of those DC-DC voltage converters |
| 08:23:16 | PascalS | Lose a bit of efficiency but makes my Z safe. |
| 08:23:34 | Speedy2 | That's not a bad idea except that unless you used a switching power supply, you'd eat through your batteries. |
| 08:24:16 | Zxcvb | what about some kind of voltage regulator? |
| 08:24:17 | PascalS | My adapter is rated 5V/2A So that will probably be non too stable either. |
| 08:24:24 | Speedy2 | Zxcvb : That's what I'm talking about. |
| 08:24:52 | Zxcvb | don't dc-dc converters work by converting the dc to ac with an inverter, then converting the ac back to dc? |
| 08:25:07 | Speedy2 | Not exactly |
| 08:25:11 | Speedy2 | They don't have to use an inverter |
| 08:25:26 | Zxcvb | how do you step up DC current, then? |
| 08:25:28 | Speedy2 | They chop up the DC and do some funny things |
| 08:25:31 | PascalS | doesn't know the theory, but IIRC they are solidstate. |
| 08:25:35 | Speedy2 | No |
| 08:25:41 | Speedy2 | Well, nm |
| 08:26:42 | Speedy2 | With a buck type converter, your output voltage is lower than your input. Assuming you have decent power efficiency, the amount of current you can deliver to your load at the reduced voltage is higer than the current supply at the input voltage. That's because you have a true power converter on your hands with swtiching power supplies |
| 08:27:21 | Speedy2 | Inverters typically works by STEPPING up the output voltage, chopping it up and then passing a signal close to a sinusoid. |
| 08:27:27 | Speedy2 | typically work by... |
| 08:28:12 | PascalS | Well, I have a relative who lives and breathes batteries, so I'll ask him to help me. |
| 08:28:34 | Speedy2 | PascalS : I live and and breath batteries, my thesis is on switching power supplies and rechargable batteries. |
| 08:28:37 | PascalS | He knows how to make a battery pack behave exactly like the AC adapter. |
| 08:28:53 | PascalS | Yes, but where do you live? can I drop by? |
| 08:28:59 | Speedy2 | Where do you live? |
| 08:29:04 | PascalS | .nl Zeist |
| 08:29:08 | Speedy2 | Why do you want a battery pack to behave like AC? |
| 08:29:15 | Speedy2 | All you want to do is provide the Z with regulated DC |
| 08:29:19 | PascalS | Speedy2: I meant, be good enough for the Z |
| 08:29:25 | Speedy2 | Use a switching power supply between the battery pack and the Z |
| 08:29:55 | Speedy2 | You don't need to make it AC then have the switching power supply that the Z uses (yes, that's what it is) convert it back into DC with even more noise |
| 08:30:00 | PascalS | Speedy2: I am a software engineer with some experience in electronics, which ended when my dad died in '89 when I was 14... |
| 08:30:15 | PascalS | So I need help. I know what can be done, the how is harder :) |
| 08:30:37 | Speedy2 | It's not a matter of knowing, it's a matter of doing the right thing. |
| 08:30:54 | Zxcvb | has anyone figured out how the sharp io port works? |
| 08:31:00 | PascalS | When I walk into an electronics store, and ask for a component, and they say well, we don't have that one but we do have these, i don't know how to choose |
| 08:31:05 | Speedy2 | Well, anyway, it's your Z and your batteries, please feel free to explore. I'm just providing some suggestions. |
| 08:31:21 | Speedy2 | Zxcvb : Yeah. It's pretty hax0r like what's been done there. |
| 08:31:21 | PascalS | Zxcvb: Its in the manual on the sharp dev site, IIRC |
| 08:31:39 | Zxcvb | any chance of a sharp io modem? |
| 08:31:44 | Zxcvb | or even ethernet? |
| 08:31:51 | Speedy2 | MOdem is possible |
| 08:31:53 | Speedy2 | Ethernet is not. |
| 08:32:04 | Zxcvb | the sharp io port is too slow? |
| 08:32:16 | Zxcvb | what about sharp io to serial? |
| 08:32:19 | Speedy2 | Sharp I/O is basically USB port + Serial port |
| 08:32:24 | Speedy2 | It'sn ot anything custom or magical |
| 08:32:28 | PascalS | isnt the sharp io just Rs232 in a silly format? |
| 08:32:37 | Zxcvb | so you can hook up your calculator or palm pilot and sync/install |
| 08:32:43 | Speedy2 | They didn't put a line level transciever in it |
| 08:32:46 | Speedy2 | So it's TTL levels. |
| 08:32:50 | Speedy2 | (which is dumb) |
| 08:32:59 | PascalS | Speedy2: but saves money. |
| 08:33:01 | Zxcvb | could the sharp io port be used like a regular rs232 port? |
| 08:33:18 | PascalS | Speedy2: do you have schematics for your suggestions? |
| 08:33:19 | Speedy2 | Yes because they route the RS-232 lines there. |
| 08:33:21 | Zxcvb | someone made a rs232 adapter for the ti89 |
| 08:33:25 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 08:33:33 | Speedy2 | HP48's have built-in RS-232 and IR :) |
| 08:33:42 | Zxcvb | it required extra hardware, as the ti89 port is closer to parallel |
| 08:33:43 | Speedy2 | PascalS : Which suggestions? The switching regulator bit? |
| 08:33:58 | Zxcvb | surely if the ti89 can do rs232, the zaurus can too |
| 08:34:17 | Speedy2 | Zxcvb : Dude, the StrongARM has UARTs on it and Sharp routed the RS-232 lines out... |
| 08:34:17 | PascalS | Speedy2: something to choose from would be nice :) |
| 08:34:52 | Speedy2 | PascalS : I don't have any schematics off hand that would be helpful for you. Building a switching power supply isn't really easy, but you might be in luck if you go and use some off the shelf part. |
| 08:35:12 | Speedy2 | I did all my own stuff, so I can't really suggest a good part either. |
| 08:35:27 | PascalS | Speedy2: I guess I'll go look at COTS parts. |
| 08:36:28 | PascalS | Speedy2: What I'd like to have, in the end, is small extensions (like the AA bats) for everyday use, and 12V big-bad-batts (not the lead-acid ones) for holidays and stuff. |
| 08:36:56 | Zxcvb | PascalS: how about a jump-it |
| 08:37:02 | Zxcvb | PascalS: or similar device |
| 08:37:04 | PascalS | Zxcvb: jump-it? |
| 08:37:16 | Zxcvb | PascalS: the everstart portable jumpstart unit |
| 08:37:21 | Speedy2 | What are 12V big-bad-batts ? |
| 08:38:02 | Speedy2 | Like what form factor are you taling? |
| 08:38:03 | Speedy2 | talking |
| 08:38:08 | PascalS | Speedy2: Oh, those 12V kind that they use in alarm systems, completely sealed batteries |
| 08:38:19 | PascalS | Speedy2: no specific form factor |
| 08:38:21 | Zxcvb | is nethack any good on the Z? |
| 08:38:29 | PascalS | doesn't know nethack |
| 08:38:43 | PascalS | is looking for picutes of the batteries. |
| 08:39:44 | PascalS | Speedy2: this type http://www.strikalite.co.uk/sealed.htm, of which I can obtain plenty for free. |
| 08:40:23 | PascalS | Speedy2: the roughly 2 and 4 kilo ones. |
| 08:41:05 | Speedy2 | Wow, SLA batteries are cool |
| 08:41:13 | Speedy2 | You should get me some too :) |
| 08:41:26 | PascalS | Where do you live? |
| 08:42:01 | PascalS | The ones I can get are 'expired', meaning you have to be a triffle careful when charging them |
| 08:42:37 | PascalS | If you over charge them too much they die. If you let them run completely empty, they die too. |
| 08:46:06 | Speedy2 | Sorry, connection died |
| 08:46:10 | Speedy2 | I live in Texas PascalS |
| 08:46:49 | PascalS | Speedy2: just after you went away: If you over charge them too much they die. If you let them run completely empty, they die too. |
| 08:46:55 | Speedy2 | I know |
| 08:47:14 | PascalS | Hmm, texas, 's bit expensive to ship 2 KG batts. |
| 08:47:21 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 08:47:22 | Speedy2 | :( |
| 08:47:34 | Aimio|zZz | are those the big alarm batteries that connect eith rubber slip on things? |
| 08:47:59 | PascalS | Aimio|zZz: no, they are the core of the UPS of alarm systems |
| 08:48:38 | PascalS | Aimio|zZz: and used almost everywhere else in industrial applications where there is no ventilation but batteries are required. |
| 08:48:38 | Aimio|zZz | i'm in uk, we use something sounding similar in our alarm company |
| 08:49:00 | PascalS | Speedy2: Isn't it a bit ealy in texas? |
| 08:49:09 | PascalS | s/ealy/early |
| 08:49:28 | Speedy2 | PascalS : Yeah, I'm working late... |
| 08:51:35 | PascalS | Speedy2: btw, SLA are cool, or at least I have thought so ever since I first played with them when I was 8 or something |
| 08:51:58 | Aimio|zZz | heh same here :p |
| 08:52:52 | Speedy2 | SLAs are very cool. They have huge energy densities |
| 08:59:58 | PascalS | Durned. The wifi I want is not in stock |
| 09:01:16 | PascalS | bye |
| 09:13:25 | Speedy2 | ./quit |
| 09:13:28 | Speedy2 | err |
| 09:13:28 | Speedy2 | quit |
| 09:17:03 | Zxcvb | are there any text readers for the Z where word wrap can be disabled? |
| 09:25:58 | kolla | Zxcvb: not sure if justreader can do that, but it does a lot of nice stuff |
| 09:26:52 | Zxcvb | kolla: nope |
| 09:27:05 | Zxcvb | kolla: the only solution is convert to pdf, but that is one page at a time |
| 09:27:30 | kolla | just curious.. why do you want it? :) |
| 09:27:46 | Zxcvb | kolla: gamefaqs text files look horrible with word wrap |
| 09:28:04 | Zxcvb | kolla: most of the lists and such are nearly unreadable |
| 09:28:09 | kolla | ok |
| 09:28:17 | kolla | tried using more from the console? |
| 09:28:35 | Zxcvb | kolla: wouldn't work |
| 09:28:44 | Zxcvb | kolla: the only way would be horizontal scrolling |
| 09:28:52 | Zxcvb | kolla: but nothing on the Z supports it for text files |
| 09:29:10 | kolla | that's odd, cause I rememeber having the opposite problem |
| 09:29:42 | Zxcvb | kolla: how did you make just reader use horizontal scrolling, instead of automatic word wrap? |
| 09:29:58 | Zxcvb | kolla: also, gutenpalm is gpl, yet the download link is to handago to buy it |
| 09:30:40 | kolla | Zxcvb: I think it was just an early version that didnt have word wrap :) |
| 09:30:54 | Zxcvb | I want to disable word wrap |
| 09:33:51 | Zxcvb | neither opie-reader or justreader will let me |
| 09:36:42 | kolla | tried opening it in a webbrowser? :) |
| 09:36:58 | Zxcvb | kolla: same |
| 09:37:07 | Zxcvb | kolla: I tried changing .txt to .htm, but that failed |
| 09:40:42 | kolla | hm.. zepo looks good... |
| 09:41:56 | Zxcvb | zepo? |
| 09:42:03 | kolla | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=683 |
| 09:42:16 | kolla | avantgo-clone |
| 09:43:11 | Zxcvb | any idea why the download link for gutenbrowser is a handago link, when the license says GPL? |
| 09:43:26 | kolla | gutenbrowser? |
| 09:43:54 | Zxcvb | free ebook reader and downloader |
| 09:46:13 | kolla | ah.. project gutenberg browser |
| 09:46:58 | Zxcvb | kolla: yeah, so why does it link to handago? |
| 09:47:15 | Zxcvb | kolla: is the sourceforge version older, and the newest version is payware? |
| 09:47:30 | kolla | Zxcvb: handango has all kinds of software listed it seems |
| 09:47:39 | kolla | and.. what link? |
| 09:47:40 | Zxcvb | kolla: so how do you download it? |
| 09:47:58 | Zxcvb | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=304 |
| 09:47:58 | kolla | oh |
| 09:48:00 | kolla | that link |
| 09:48:14 | Zxcvb | kolla: is the newest version pay, and the older one free? |
| 09:48:28 | kolla | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13697&release_id=73300 |
| 09:48:45 | kolla | http://gutenbrowser.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:50:05 | Zxcvb | kolla: yet the software index says .75 |
| 09:50:24 | kolla | 0.7.75? |
| 09:50:39 | Zxcvb | kolla: no, just .75 |
| 09:50:50 | kolla | Price US$ 7.95 |
| 09:50:55 | kolla | dont know how it is |
| 09:51:17 | kolla | Version: |
| 09:51:17 | kolla | 7.5 |
| 09:52:36 | kolla | looks like it has gone commercial somehow |
| 09:53:46 | Piete | hello all :) |
| 09:53:46 | Zxcvb | kolla: too bad, I just hope no one else contributed any code |
| 09:54:02 | Zxcvb | Piete: hey, just discussing the gutenbrowser |
| 09:54:13 | Piete | nice, I have not tried it yet :) |
| 09:54:32 | Zxcvb | Piete: it is apparently now commercial and propriatery, $7.95 |
| 09:54:46 | Piete | damn, my sister has been on the phone for over 4 hours now :/ |
| 09:54:50 | Piete | Zxcvb: ahhh :/ |
| 09:54:58 | Zxcvb | Piete: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=304 |
| 09:55:02 | Piete | Zxcvb: when did that happen? |
| 09:55:08 | Zxcvb | Piete: I just looked at the link |
| 09:55:14 | kolla | so it's USD7.95.. what's the big deal? |
| 09:55:28 | Zxcvb | Piete: it is gpl |
| 09:55:34 | Piete | kolla: its 9000Won :P |
| 09:55:46 | Zxcvb | Piete: sounds like it went propriatery, possibly taking other contributor's code with it |
| 09:55:47 | Piete | and I like $0.00 more :P |
| 09:55:51 | kolla | about 80NOK |
| 09:56:18 | kolla | well, you get what you pay for an vice versa :) |
| 09:56:28 | Piete | according to killefiz its still GPL |
| 09:56:31 | Piete | License |
| 09:56:32 | Piete | GPL |
| 09:56:37 | kolla | if you can afford a zaurus, you should also afford some software for it.. :) |
| 09:56:39 | Zxcvb | Piete: only 0.7.x |
| 09:56:47 | Zxcvb | Piete: not 7.5 |
| 09:56:49 | Piete | ahh |
| 09:56:56 | Zxcvb | kolla: so what about the GPL? |
| 09:57:02 | Piete | I still think its UI is butt ugly :P |
| 09:57:13 | Zxcvb | kolla: unless he stripped out all contributed code, of course |
| 09:57:28 | kolla | perhaps there was no contributet code :) |
| 09:57:45 | Piete | but who cares about that app anyway.. Just use opiereader and a little elbow grease :) |
| 09:58:02 | Zxcvb | Piete: any idea how to turn off word wrap in opiereader? |
| 09:58:34 | Piete | hmm |
| 09:58:53 | Zxcvb | Piete: many gamefaqs texts look horrible with word wrap |
| 09:59:01 | Zxcvb | Piete: and all the tables and such are nearly unusable |
| 09:59:20 | Zxcvb | Piete: the only thing I could think of was text2pdf, but then I can only see one page at a time |
| 09:59:25 | Piete | 'set overlap'? |
| 10:00:09 | Piete | dunno |
| 10:00:32 | Piete | usualy if its a little off center I just change the font size |
| 10:00:39 | Zxcvb | Piete: no, word wrap |
| 10:00:57 | Zxcvb | Piete: I want to use horizontal scrolling if the lines are too long to fit on the screen |
| 10:01:06 | Piete | Zxcvb: yea |
| 10:03:55 | Piete | aww :( all work and no play |
| 10:04:04 | kolla | hah.. new konq .. finally one can turn off image loading |
| 10:04:13 | Piete{study} | at last :D |
| 10:04:18 | Zxcvb | kolla: where? |
| 10:04:28 | Zxcvb | kolla: I could turn off image loading before |
| 10:04:48 | Zxcvb | kolla: but the "load all images" button wouldn't display unless I turned on images, then turned them back off each time I started konq |
| 10:05:28 | Zxcvb | kolla: where is the new konq at, anyway? |
| 10:05:58 | kolla | OZ3 feed |
| 10:06:06 | Zxcvb | kolla: sharp rom compatible? |
| 10:06:31 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: you should really try OZ3 some time :) |
| 10:06:31 | kolla | no idea |
| 10:06:35 | Piete{study} | its awesome |
| 10:06:35 | kolla | yes |
| 10:06:58 | kolla | people should rather develop for OZ than sharp, hehe |
| 10:07:08 | Piete{study} | hehe |
| 10:07:18 | Zxcvb | OZ still has issues with opera and other sharp apps, right? |
| 10:07:48 | kolla | sure, it's linux.. libs.. there will always be issues |
| 10:07:58 | kolla | due to the..duh... lame.. unix lib system |
| 10:08:19 | Zxcvb | so what sharp stuff works on OZ? |
| 10:08:22 | Piete{study} | how is it that teenage girls can stay on the phone for hours and hours?! what do they talk about? |
| 10:08:50 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: its because OZ uses less obsolete(tm) software |
| 10:09:00 | kolla | Zxcvb: most work, but apps that are linked to certain versions of certain libs wont always find what they're looking for |
| 10:09:18 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: it uses a newer qtopia (opie actualy), and a new libc6 iirc |
| 10:09:36 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: so what all is compatible? |
| 10:09:38 | kolla | you can fix that by keeping old libs avaible and set the lib path in a script that launches the app, I guess |
| 10:10:04 | kolla | never tried that on the Z though |
| 10:10:18 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: I've not really tried.. Opera does not work. Hancom works, but I dunno how good. And I don't know about jeode |
| 10:10:31 | kolla | jeode worked fine last I tried |
| 10:10:42 | Piete{study} | nice :D |
| 10:10:46 | kolla | just need to know what to copy over |
| 10:10:48 | Zxcvb | kolla: the same with all the hancom stuff? |
| 10:11:05 | Zxcvb | kolla: and do the package creators for jeode/hancom do everything? |
| 10:11:07 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: if you use hancom creator it should work |
| 10:11:07 | kolla | dont know, I couldnt care less about those "office" apps :) |
| 10:11:16 | Piete{study} | kolla: me neither |
| 10:11:34 | kolla | anyways.. complain to the companies that develop those |
| 10:11:44 | kolla | or use free alternatives |
| 10:11:44 | Zxcvb | on OZ, can you easily switch from opie to x11? |
| 10:11:51 | kolla | no |
| 10:11:53 | Piete{study} | I live in the country that makes the Hancom stuff :D |
| 10:11:59 | kolla | ni fact I havent got X running at all yet |
| 10:12:01 | kolla | in |
| 10:12:01 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: not yet |
| 10:12:13 | Zxcvb | isn't there a package to run X and opie together |
| 10:12:18 | kolla | no idea |
| 10:12:21 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: they will make initrds available with either opie, or X11, or picogui |
| 10:12:25 | Zxcvb | using a vnc viewer for opie, and vnc server on X11 |
| 10:12:26 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: not sure when tho |
| 10:12:41 | kolla | Zxcvb: that's sounds terrible :) |
| 10:12:52 | Piete{study} | kolla: its damn ugly :P |
| 10:12:52 | kolla | rather have X on one vt and opie on another |
| 10:12:54 | Zxcvb | would probably need the 64-0 rom for that |
| 10:13:10 | kolla | and some fancy way to swap between them |
| 10:13:36 | Zxcvb | kolla: I would settle for a "run x11" menu option, with opie restarting after x11 is closed |
| 10:13:52 | kolla | well, that should be simple enough |
| 10:13:59 | kolla | script playing :) |
| 10:14:20 | kolla | but as I said, I didnt get TinyX to run at all |
| 10:14:26 | kolla | it complained aobut libs |
| 10:14:58 | Zxcvb | what is the url for the oz3 feed? |
| 10:15:22 | XavierXeon | anyone here who knows javascript well ? |
| 10:15:24 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 10:15:24 | kolla | ibot feed |
| 10:15:27 | Zxcvb | I am uing 0.9.1-20020909 right now |
| 10:15:29 | kolla | hm |
| 10:15:41 | Zxcvb | works fine, with just a couple small modifications |
| 10:15:41 | kolla | try www.openzaurus.org |
| 10:15:45 | kolla | should be there somewhere |
| 10:16:52 | Piete{study} | lo anggarda |
| 10:16:59 | Piete{study} | anggarda: yes, I'm awake |
| 10:17:06 | Piete{study} | :p |
| 10:17:30 | XavierXeon | http://www.openzaurus.org/offical/3.0/feed/ |
| 10:17:59 | Zxcvb | is OZ 3.0 stable? |
| 10:18:14 | Piete{study} | no crashes here |
| 10:18:24 | XavierXeon | well its officially released |
| 10:18:58 | Zxcvb | does it have a backup/restore app, and an internet wizard? |
| 10:18:59 | Piete{study} | except when I use the launcher applet to change applets that runs, then Opie exits, but it restarts fine when I just run /etc/rc2.d/S98Opie start |
| 10:19:12 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: backup and restore, yes |
| 10:19:12 | Zxcvb | or must you edit /etc/ppp/* yourself still? |
| 10:19:34 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: it has a network setup thing |
| 10:19:54 | XavierXeon | Piete{study}: that happems if you throw out irda or clipboard applet (i think) |
| 10:20:01 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: for dialup? |
| 10:20:10 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: dunno |
| 10:20:13 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: just how close is the system config to sharp |
| 10:20:27 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: its different, but close :) |
| 10:20:46 | Piete{study} | XavierXeon: hmmm, I only have the clipboard disabled |
| 10:20:47 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: I hope it works with a modem without editing /etc/ppp/* |
| 10:21:18 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: I don't use a modem, so I don't really know, the #openzaurus people should know about ppp :) |
| 10:21:20 | XavierXeon | Zxcvb: its actually better. the original sharp net setup was written by benmeyer and he rewrote it for oz |
| 10:21:56 | Piete{study} | XavierXeon: wow, I didn't know that :) |
| 10:22:05 | Piete{study} | XavierXeon: did they pay him for it? |
| 10:22:22 | Zxcvb | XavierXeon: so how much from the sharp rom is missing in oz except for opera, the jeode, and the hancom apps? |
| 10:22:33 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: yea, it looks as if you can add a PPP connection with network setup :D |
| 10:23:26 | Zxcvb | ouch, opie-backup won't backup apps in ram |
| 10:23:26 | tboc | hi |
| 10:23:34 | Zxcvb | so you will lose SDL and such if you have to do a hard reset |
| 10:23:40 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: and liquid is purdy :D |
| 10:23:42 | Zxcvb | and can't even restore thhem |
| 10:23:50 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: heh |
| 10:24:01 | XavierXeon | Zxcvb: everything is missing |
| 10:24:04 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: not if you use a SD card as storage :) |
| 10:24:15 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: you can't install SDL to a mmc/sd card |
| 10:24:23 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: oh? |
| 10:24:43 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: hmm, I installed eon's sdl just fine to SD yesterday |
| 10:24:55 | Piete{study} | dunno if it will work with normal sdl |
| 10:25:03 | Piete{study} | aqpkg does wonders tho |
| 10:25:34 | XavierXeon | if you do a hard reset on oz only the ramdisk will get wiped, / dir remains unchanged |
| 10:25:54 | Zxcvb | XavierXeon: yes, but opie-backup will not backup software on the ramdisk |
| 10:26:09 | XavierXeon | Zxcvb: true |
| 10:26:13 | Zxcvb | XavierXeon: which will break software installed to MMC/SD that uses it |
| 10:26:22 | Zxcvb | XavierXeon: is there another backup app that will do that? |
| 10:26:58 | XavierXeon | Zxcvb: non that i know, but you can alway do a dd or tar from the command line |
| 10:27:19 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: personally I would not restore *apps* from sharp to oz.. they will prolly break.. |
| 10:27:32 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: no, restore apps from oz to oz |
| 10:27:36 | Piete{study} | ahh |
| 10:27:43 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: ok, I have oz |
| 10:27:46 | Piete{study} | that'd work ;) |
| 10:27:56 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: so I install stuff like SDL to oz on the ramdisk |
| 10:28:04 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: I use oz's backup, and then have to hard reset |
| 10:28:14 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: so now when I restore from backup, I am missing SDL |
| 10:28:28 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: because opie-backup on OZ only backs up data |
| 10:28:39 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: restore backup, and then install SDL manualy |
| 10:29:32 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: and keep a text file of any software installed in ramdisk, as opposed to mmc/sd |
| 10:30:02 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: I see your problem :/ |
| 10:30:42 | Zxcvb | still trying to find the new konq |
| 10:31:04 | Zxcvb | all I have is 0.9.1-20020909.2 |
| 10:36:49 | Piete{study} | I have whatever is in the -stable feed |
| 10:37:08 | Zxcvb | there is no 44 memory, 20 storage kernel |
| 10:38:50 | Piete{study} | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/3.0/zImage-5500-40memory-24storage.bin |
| 10:43:30 | Zxcvb | is 40 memory 24 storage enough? |
| 10:43:38 | Zxcvb | or should I do 40 memory, 16 storage? |
| 10:44:42 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/unix.terror.gif |
| 10:47:24 | Zxcvb | XavierXeon: lol |
| 10:48:14 | Zxcvb | is there much software for OZ available? |
| 10:48:15 | Piete{study} | lo XavierXeon :oD |
| 10:48:40 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: I think the question is 'is there much software for the Zaurus avaiable' |
| 10:49:02 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: not if OZ isn't compatible |
| 10:49:06 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: almost all apps that work on Sharp works on OZ, with the exception of Opera && hancom |
| 10:49:14 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: nethack? |
| 10:49:22 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: any idea what is wrong with hancom? |
| 10:49:34 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: OZ uses a newer qpe |
| 10:49:55 | kolla | damn.. iqnotes is so good I want it also for the desktop |
| 10:50:02 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: so what will happen if you try to use hancom stuff? |
| 10:50:15 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: I have 3 ipks for the hancom stuff on my CF card |
| 10:50:49 | Piete{study} | kolla: yea iqnotes is awesome :) |
| 10:51:06 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: I don't know, I don't use hancom |
| 10:51:54 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: lemme try nethack |
| 10:52:08 | kolla | Piete{study}: I'll mail the guy and aks wether he might have a qt/x11 version up his sleeve :) |
| 10:52:46 | Piete{study} | nice :) |
| 10:53:04 | Piete{study} | kolla: I'd LOVE to be able to print the notes |
| 10:53:12 | Piete{study} | kolla: I use it for notes for my classes |
| 10:53:26 | kolla | mm :) |
| 10:54:48 | kolla | is there any printing system for the Zaurus yet? |
| 10:54:55 | kolla | I missed that also on the palm |
| 10:55:07 | kolla | the newton could print over net and IR.. |
| 10:55:22 | kolla | and I bet PocketPC can as well |
| 10:55:24 | kolla | :) |
| 10:55:41 | Piete{study} | kolla: lprng is ported |
| 10:56:01 | kolla | ya, but have you ever seen any printing options in the opie apps? :) |
| 10:56:11 | Piete{study} | lol |
| 10:56:12 | Piete{study} | true |
| 10:56:38 | Piete{study} | kolla: the palm could print.. Its just that no apps supported printing :) |
| 10:56:48 | Piete{study} | palm OS 6.0 sounds wicked btw |
| 10:57:12 | Zxcvb | any chance of palm os 6 support on the Z? |
| 10:57:36 | Zxcvb | perhaps through a strongarm equivelant to vmware/mac-on-linux? |
| 10:57:56 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: palmos 1.0 runs like mollases on the zaurus :) |
| 10:58:41 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: yeah, using a horribly unoptimized interprative emulator |
| 10:58:51 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: palmos 3.1 runs like shit on a 400MHz P2 |
| 10:59:08 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: the pose cpu emulator sucks |
| 10:59:08 | Piete{study} | yea, its barely usable on my 1Ghz |
| 10:59:26 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: anyone working on replacing the CPU core? |
| 10:59:34 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: preferably with a nice fast JIT? |
| 11:00:31 | Piete{study} | don't know, sorry |
| 11:00:46 | Zxcvb | looks like I have the latest konq |
| 11:00:58 | Zxcvb | the opie one is only 3 days ahead of mine |
| 11:01:05 | Piete{study} | anyone tried warpfleet yet? its pretty neat :) |
| 11:01:31 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: nope, but I plan to try nethack |
| 11:02:13 | Piete{study} | I'm trying to install it now... It looks like its compiled for Sharp's qpe |
| 11:02:28 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: any problems so far? |
| 11:02:37 | Piete{study} | lemme try... |
| 11:02:45 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: it is huge |
| 11:03:03 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: 1mb compressed |
| 11:03:03 | Zxcvb | needs a bigger mmc card |
| 11:03:13 | Piete{study} | hehe |
| 11:03:19 | Zxcvb | 32mb won't be enough for OZ, most likely |
| 11:03:34 | Piete{study} | I have a 64MB sd |
| 11:03:43 | Zxcvb | all the good stuff is just getting ported |
| 11:03:53 | Zxcvb | fce ultra, nethack, exult |
| 11:04:05 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: I wonder how well exult works |
| 11:04:27 | Zxcvb | hopes 40 ram, 24 storage is enough ram |
| 11:04:27 | Piete{study} | hehe, falcons eye is pretty cool |
| 11:04:43 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: its enough for me, just don't use OpiePlayer2 :P |
| 11:04:49 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: falcons eye? |
| 11:04:57 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: why? |
| 11:05:09 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: then how do I play mp3/mpeg1? |
| 11:05:14 | Piete{study} | OPP is a memory hog like you won't beleive :) |
| 11:05:17 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: which sharp could do in 32mb |
| 11:05:28 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: just use xmms, or opieplayer 1 |
| 11:05:35 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: is there any other mp3/ogg/mpeg1 player for oz? |
| 11:05:47 | Piete{study} | and for video use mplayer :) |
| 11:05:52 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: xmms requires x11, right? |
| 11:05:56 | Piete{study} | nope |
| 11:06:03 | Piete{study} | theres a qpe xmms port :D |
| 11:06:04 | Piete{study} | its awesome |
| 11:06:22 | Zxcvb | is there a mplayer frontend? |
| 11:06:29 | Zxcvb | frotz also needs a frontend |
| 11:07:22 | Piete{study} | I don't know of a mplayer frontend |
| 11:07:56 | Piete{study} | Falcons eye is a awesome nethack based game :) |
| 11:08:08 | Zxcvb | can you remap keys, including the hardware keys, per app? |
| 11:08:09 | Piete{study} | imho it kicks diablo 1 butt :) |
| 11:08:16 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: yes |
| 11:08:55 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: so I can play qtopia gnuboy without using the hardware keyboard? |
| 11:09:08 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: like remap the mail key to say, the letter "a" |
| 11:09:32 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: ohh, you mean like that :) dunno :) |
| 11:10:39 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: yeah, gnuboy requires both the hardware keyboard and the app keys |
| 11:10:39 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: app keys are only for direction, using the direction pad |
| 11:10:39 | Piete{study} | lol I won't be able to instlal nethack if I keep using the wrong ipks heh? |
| 11:11:10 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: what do you mean wrong ipks? |
| 11:11:41 | Piete{study} | I literally use the wrong ipks (theres a lot on my cf card ) |
| 11:12:06 | Piete{study} | # ipkg install -d sd -force-depends nethack_3.4.0_arm.ipk |
| 11:12:18 | Piete{study} | ok, now its installing, I'll see if it works when it finishes :) |
| 11:13:33 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: you have to force it to install? |
| 11:14:06 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: yes, because of qpe version differences |
| 11:16:45 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: it runs :D |
| 11:18:04 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: i had to edit /usr/bin/nethack (its a script) to point to /mnt/card/usr/lib/nethackdir instead of /usr/lib/nethackdir, but thats it :) |
| 11:19:05 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: ipkg on oz doesn't create symlinks either? |
| 11:19:50 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: it made all the necessary links |
| 11:20:04 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: its just the default config file pointed to the wrong place |
| 11:20:55 | Zxcvb | I wonder if I should get a 64MB or 128MB mmc (I have a 32MB mmc), or just get more CF for when I am not using the modem |
| 11:22:41 | Twiun | mornin' |
| 11:22:45 | mark | morning Twiun |
| 11:23:27 | Piete{study} | lo Twiun |
| 11:23:31 | Twiun | mark: Wonka on OZ (not in Opie though): http://adorphuye.com/test/drugmoney1.png |
| 11:23:47 | Twiun | just need to fix the fact that the buttons don't fire events ;-) |
| 11:24:16 | mark | Twiun: whats that? |
| 11:24:38 | Twiun | mark: JVM running nasa's favourite game |
| 11:24:39 | Twiun | grins |
| 11:24:59 | mark | heh. gah, my dsl connection is playing up |
| 11:25:00 | Twiun | in pure framebuffer glory! |
| 11:25:12 | mark | Twiun: java phreak :p |
| 11:25:32 | Twiun | mark: lol, it's a living |
| 11:25:42 | mark | heh |
| 11:25:43 | mark | is away: shower |
| 11:26:14 | Zxcvb | any chance of microwindows on OZ? |
| 11:26:14 | Zxcvb | Twiun: does hancom still work on OZ? |
| 11:26:52 | Twiun | Zxcvb: no idea about hancom... don't really use my Z as a pda much atm ;-) |
| 11:27:25 | Zxcvb | Twiun: what do you use it for? |
| 11:28:37 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: can I DCC you a screenshot I just took? |
| 11:29:01 | Twiun | Zxcvb: I develop on it/for it ;-) |
| 11:29:18 | Twiun | Zxcvb: So I tend to trash my installations quite often - not a safe place for data |
| 11:31:43 | Piete{study} | anyone else want the screenie? |
| 11:32:05 | Twiun | sure, what's it of? |
| 11:32:16 | Piete{study} | nethack & liquid |
| 11:33:36 | Twiun | cool... now to find out where xchat put it ;-) |
| 11:34:12 | Twiun | hmmm... tasty |
| 11:34:18 | Twiun | looking good |
| 11:35:06 | Twiun | I'm a bit puzzled though... my liquid style hasn't got that nice, large close button at the top - it still uses the Qtopia one |
| 11:35:29 | Piete{study} | Twiun: I used another style for that, I think the flat one |
| 11:35:35 | Twiun | ahh |
| 11:35:55 | Piete{study} | yea, the windows tab in appearance |
| 11:36:05 | Piete{study} | and I used custom traslucency |
| 11:36:23 | Piete{study} | I wish I could make it completely transparent with just nice borders :D |
| 11:36:29 | Twiun | lol |
| 11:36:56 | Twiun | should be possible, you've got /dev/fb0 you can read and alphablend with |
| 11:37:23 | Zxcvb | can't install nethack to mmc/sd on sharp rom, and it won;t even tell me why |
| 11:37:27 | Piete{study} | damn, I love framebuffer :) |
| 11:37:29 | Zxcvb | just "something went wrong" |
| 11:37:45 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: that nethack you see there is running of off SD right now :) |
| 11:37:53 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: yes, on OZ |
| 11:37:54 | Twiun | Zxcvb: could be anything, try installing from the console |
| 11:38:03 | Zxcvb | Twiun: how? |
| 11:38:25 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: ipkg -d sd -force-depends install nethack.ipk |
| 11:38:29 | Piete{study} | thats what I used |
| 11:38:59 | Twiun | might need to replace -d sd with -d /mnt/card... ipkg on the Sharp ROM is buggy as hell |
| 11:39:18 | Piete{study} | afaik he runs oz |
| 11:39:23 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: why can't the installer even tell you what went wrong? |
| 11:39:28 | Zxcvb | no, I run the sharp rom |
| 11:39:51 | Zxcvb | it's enough to make you want to use OZ |
| 11:40:00 | Twiun | Zxcvb: because the sharp installer is old and buggy ;-) |
| 11:40:17 | Zxcvb | considering just going OZ |
| 11:40:31 | Piete{study} | ahh |
| 11:41:19 | Piete{study} | <jar jar>Meesa hungry! </jar jar> |
| 11:41:35 | Zxcvb | what all is in the main initrd? |
| 11:41:53 | Piete{study} | not much |
| 11:42:02 | Piete{study} | pim, and conf stuff |
| 11:42:12 | Piete{study} | ssh ftp and those goodies are included too tho |
| 11:42:47 | Zxcvb | can I add konq to the initrd? |
| 11:42:53 | Piete{study} | all the different appearence styles (default, liquid, flat etc) yadayadayada |
| 11:43:24 | Twiun | Zxcvb: you can install konq to flashROM after you've installed OZ... you don't need to hack the initrd |
| 11:43:47 | Zxcvb | wow, I thought flash was non-writable |
| 11:43:54 | Twiun | Zxcvb: only on the Sharp ROM |
| 11:44:02 | Twiun | OZ is much more flexible |
| 11:44:03 | Zxcvb | except when flashing |
| 11:44:16 | Zxcvb | any idea how many times the zaurus can have it's flash written to? |
| 11:44:28 | Piete{study} | around 300000 |
| 11:44:32 | Twiun | I think it's like any other - they use jffs2 for the fs |
| 11:44:43 | Twiun | Zxcvb: So don't use flashrom for a swapfile ;-) |
| 11:44:47 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: wow |
| 11:45:01 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: I thought it was 1,000 write/erase cycles |
| 11:45:11 | Piete{study} | thats ooolldd flash |
| 11:45:20 | Piete{study} | new ones have much more |
| 11:45:31 | Twiun | lol, if that was the case, poor kergoth would have gone through quite a few Z's getting OZ running ;-) |
| 11:45:49 | Piete{study} | ouchh |
| 11:45:49 | Piete{study} | lol |
| 11:46:17 | Piete{study} | gives kergoth 10 gold stars |
| 11:46:55 | Zxcvb | grabbing the initrd now |
| 11:47:12 | Zxcvb | can I get packages via usb? |
| 11:47:30 | Piete{study} | brb, n.ee.ee.dd .... moorrrreee.. foo.oooooodddd... |
| 11:47:45 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: I just ftpd the packages to my CF card |
| 11:47:55 | Zxcvb | hopes openzaurus is stable |
| 11:47:55 | Piete{study} | Zxcvb: and then renamed them on the zaurus |
| 11:48:05 | Piete{study} | its pretty stable :) |
| 11:48:33 | Zxcvb | Piete{study}: more stable than the sharp rom? |
| 11:49:10 | Piete{afk} | IMHO it is |
| 11:49:17 | Piete{afk} | brb |
| 12:04:18 | Zxcvb | if initrd.bin is even slightly corrupt, even by a single bit, will md5sum let me know? |
| 12:06:25 | Wintre | Yes. |
| 12:06:53 | Wintre | MD5 is designed to be cryptographically secure, though I believe attacks against it have been found |
| 12:07:50 | Zxcvb | what about corruption that can occur when resuming downloads? |
| 12:08:17 | Zxcvb | sometimes, only a single bit out of a 15 or even 100MB file might be corrupted |
| 12:08:33 | Wintre | Like I said, AFAIK md5sum can determine that. |
| 12:08:58 | Wintre | If you're doubtful, write a 100 MB file full of zeroes, md5sum it, and then write a program to find one random bit and set it |
| 12:09:10 | Wintre | Then md5sum that |
| 12:11:54 | Piete{afk} | lo henning |
| 12:12:30 | Piete | munches on a Bacon Double Cheeseburger |
| 12:16:06 | mark | is back (gone 00:50:24) |
| 12:16:32 | Piete | wb mark |
| 12:16:39 | mark | hi Piete |
| 12:17:56 | mark | gah, wine is screwing up with KaZaA again |
| 12:18:35 | Zxcvb | mark: of course |
| 12:18:54 | Zxcvb | mark: 20021007 wouldn't run anything |
| 12:19:26 | Zxcvb | mark: not even sol.exe or notepad.exe |
| 12:21:00 | mark | really? i'm on 20020904 atn |
| 12:21:22 | Piete | screw wine ;) |
| 12:21:27 | Zxcvb | I just got 20021031 |
| 12:21:27 | Zxcvb | halloween release |
| 12:21:29 | Piete | gtk-gnutella :) |
| 12:21:35 | mark | Zxcvb: how is it? |
| 12:22:08 | Zxcvb | always "bad file descriptor" |
| 12:22:09 | Zxcvb | 20021031 runs solitaire, at least |
| 12:22:32 | mark | hm, so not worth upgradiing? |
| 12:22:33 | Zxcvb | perfectly |
| 12:22:40 | Zxcvb | wine also runs klez |
| 12:22:50 | mark | heh, yeh, i saw that |
| 12:23:05 | Zxcvb | including actually spreading, if you run a local MTA like sendmail/qmail |
| 12:23:16 | mark | wow. pretty impressive that it runs |
| 12:23:18 | Piete | durn |
| 12:23:26 | Zxcvb | mark: I haven't tested the halloween release with anything except solitarie yet |
| 12:23:35 | mark | Zxcvb: ah okay, i'm downloading now |
| 12:23:44 | Zxcvb | mark: sol.exe was the first software to run |
| 12:23:55 | Zxcvb | mark: it has been running since 1995, and even before if you use the win 3.1 version |
| 12:24:16 | mark | Zxcvb: heh |
| 12:25:08 | mark | when wine runs dreamweaver MX and KaZaa natively i'll be so happy |
| 12:26:27 | Zxcvb | I heard crossover office runs kazaa perfectly |
| 12:26:33 | Zxcvb | the 1.3.1 beta, that is |
| 12:26:42 | Zxcvb | yes, you must install MSIE |
| 12:26:55 | mark | Zxcvb: really? coool. do they do a trial or something? |
| 12:27:30 | mark | Zxcvb: and where does the beta come from? |
| 12:27:57 | Zxcvb | mark: nope |
| 12:27:57 | Zxcvb | mark: wait until it is released |
| 12:28:08 | mark | Zxcvb: darn |
| 12:29:14 | Piete | lo PascalS |
| 12:29:18 | PascalS | Hi Piete |
| 12:29:41 | PascalS | needs some newsfeed software for the Z |
| 12:30:34 | Zxcvb | I hope plucker gets ported to the Z |
| 12:30:52 | Zxcvb | it's an avantgo type system for the palm |
| 12:31:01 | mark | PascalS: sitescooper? |
| 12:31:25 | PascalS | mark: I tried that, but perl and me don't mix too well. |
| 12:31:45 | Zxcvb | but your desktop/laptop is the sync server |
| 12:31:59 | PascalS | Zxcvb: meaning? |
| 12:32:18 | mark | PascalS: doesn't the sync server run on Linux? |
| 12:32:47 | PascalS | Well, I installed the sitescooper RPMs and it fails to compile or something. |
| 12:33:15 | Zxcvb | PascalS: sounds like plucker would be nice on the Z |
| 12:33:22 | mark | yeh it does |
| 12:33:36 | Zxcvb | PascalS: and yes, it is open source |
| 12:33:41 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 12:33:44 | PascalS | Well, there are two readers that understand plucker on ZSI |
| 12:33:49 | Cloudchaser | hey mark...question for you |
| 12:33:59 | mark | hi Cloudchaser |
| 12:34:00 | mark | i'll try :) |
| 12:34:03 | Cloudchaser | well not a question |
| 12:34:19 | Cloudchaser | i suspened when i had the game on a try again screen |
| 12:34:27 | Cloudchaser | and when i unsuspended |
| 12:34:35 | Cloudchaser | it was frozen |
| 12:34:41 | Cloudchaser | and i had to reboot |
| 12:34:44 | mark | ouch |
| 12:34:50 | mark | okay, looking for my Z |
| 12:35:12 | Cloudchaser | i got killed on one of the demo screens and got that try again screen |
| 12:35:29 | Cloudchaser | then shut the z off (suspended) cause i got busy |
| 12:35:52 | mark | Cloudchaser: hmm, can't reproduce it |
| 12:36:26 | Cloudchaser | ok, i'll see if it happens again or if it was just a one-time thing |
| 12:36:40 | mark | i'll leave mine off for a bit on that screen |
| 12:37:21 | Cloudchaser | oki |
| 12:38:56 | Piete | has to go study,, bye |
| 12:39:24 | mark | PascalS: you gonna port it then? :) |
| 12:39:32 | PascalS | port what? |
| 12:40:02 | dreamind | hi :) |
| 12:40:11 | PascalS | plucker it self is a bunch of python scripts, readers exist... |
| 12:40:31 | ljp | new embeddedkonsole at http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=874EFC6495A2XXF27415CCXE999X5C8E&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=29358 |
| 12:41:04 | mark | PascalS: so you ran pyhthon on the palm? |
| 12:41:18 | PascalS | mark: no, never used plucker before. |
| 12:41:35 | mark | PascalS: oh, it was Zxcvb who said i hope it get sported, not u, sorry |
| 12:41:35 | Cloudchaser | mark i'm stuck.. how do i esc out of the level |
| 12:41:35 | PascalS | doesn't think you can run python on any palm |
| 12:41:55 | mark | Cloudchaser: hit the button |
| 12:42:21 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 12:43:17 | mark | Cloudchaser: okay, i'm getting the same now |
| 12:43:34 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 12:43:45 | mark | oh no i'm not |
| 12:43:46 | mark | hang on |
| 12:44:02 | Zxcvb | PascalS: no, python is for the sync server, that is on your desktop/laptop |
| 12:44:45 | PascalS | Zxcvb: oh, but the Z is fast enough to just blast everything over USB using scp or ftp. |
| 12:45:12 | PascalS | Zxcvb: no real syncing needed. or run rsync. |
| 12:45:25 | PascalS | wonders if rsync is available for the Z |
| 12:45:27 | Zxcvb | PascalS: I thought there was a python port to the Z |
| 12:45:34 | PascalS | Zxcvb: probably |
| 12:46:33 | Zxcvb | PascalS: most sites don't support rsync |
| 12:47:04 | PascalS | Zxcvb: I meant the sync between your desktop that does the grabbing and the Z |
| 12:47:21 | kolla | sync what? |
| 12:47:23 | PascalS | Zxcvb: although it would be better if all the grabbing was done on the Z. |
| 12:47:27 | Zxcvb | PascalS: wget on a cron job? |
| 12:48:01 | kolla | thinks it would be best if all apps, both desktop and pda, could support LDAP and SyncML |
| 12:48:02 | PascalS | Zxcvb: for example, but just having all the web pages doesn't make it a convenient news source. |
| 12:48:11 | PascalS | LDAP stinks. |
| 12:48:18 | kolla | why? |
| 12:48:28 | PascalS | Too complicated for its own good. |
| 12:48:39 | Zxcvb | PascalS: and how about avantgo emulation? |
| 12:48:45 | kolla | complicated? I wouldnt know, I just use it, I dont admin it :) |
| 12:48:58 | Zxcvb | PascalS: including a reimplemented encrypted modules |
| 12:49:12 | kolla | PascalS: anyways.. you can argue the same about running linux on a PDA :) |
| 12:49:16 | Zxcvb | PascalS: you know, the crypto module on the palm |
| 12:49:21 | PascalS | kolla: it's supposed to be standard, except, like with XML, the language is standard, the content is random. |
| 12:49:22 | kolla | it stinks.. too complicated :) |
| 12:50:05 | Zxcvb | syncml with the avantgo secure connection support would be nice |
| 12:50:06 | PascalS | Zxcvb: why use avantGo, there are lots of simpler alternatives |
| 12:50:18 | Zxcvb | PascalS: avantgo only channels? |
| 12:50:19 | kolla | such as? :) |
| 12:50:28 | mark | Cloudchaser: yeh there is a problem here. dang :) |
| 12:50:32 | kolla | run a local proxy? great! :) |
| 12:50:56 | Zxcvb | privoxy with a GUI would be neat |
| 12:51:32 | kolla | I'd like to test new palmos |
| 12:51:35 | Cloudchaser | ok mark.. that's what testing is for ;) |
| 12:51:47 | mark | Cloudchaser: thanks :) |
| 12:51:58 | Cloudchaser | got through level 1 ;) |
| 12:52:03 | Cloudchaser | got killed on level 2 |
| 12:52:24 | mark | heh, i haven't done all of level 2 yet |
| 12:52:45 | ljp | I'm at level 11 |
| 12:52:52 | Cloudchaser | no you're not! |
| 12:52:53 | ljp | NOT |
| 12:53:01 | mark | Cloudchaser: btw, when it freezes, if you hit the buttons a bit, it seems to unfreeze |
| 12:53:06 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 12:53:44 | Cloudchaser | ljp :) |
| 12:53:59 | Cloudchaser | that one is just for oz now? |
| 12:55:04 | Cloudchaser | (the embedded konsole that is) |
| 12:55:41 | ljp | not the one at myzaurus |
| 12:55:59 | ljp | thats the special sharp rom version |
| 12:56:03 | Cloudchaser | :) great i'll get it today :) |
| 12:56:09 | ljp | no custom colors |
| 12:56:12 | Cloudchaser | thank you |
| 12:56:13 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 12:56:25 | Cloudchaser | i have colors now on the version i have |
| 12:56:54 | ljp | no _custom_ colors, as in.. it doesnt link with ocolordialog |
| 12:57:10 | Cloudchaser | but it does same colors it did before? |
| 12:57:14 | ljp | ya |
| 12:57:23 | Cloudchaser | ok i can live with that |
| 12:57:34 | ljp | and you can always edit the config with your own colors if you want |
| 12:57:45 | Cloudchaser | ooh a picture editor for the z.. |
| 12:57:50 | ljp | just doesnt need libopie |
| 12:58:17 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 12:58:28 | Cloudchaser | i want purple type ;) |
| 12:58:56 | ljp | oh, and it logs everything everyone types and emails it to me, so I can publish it |
| 12:59:04 | Cloudchaser | hahhah |
| 12:59:05 | ljp | purple? |
| 12:59:16 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 12:59:16 | kolla | Cloudchaser: I'd love to have photogenics for Z :) |
| 12:59:18 | kolla | http://www.idruna.com/ |
| 12:59:40 | Cloudchaser | new version of zaurus unit converter too ;) |
| 12:59:49 | Cloudchaser | i like that little app |
| 13:00:34 | | wish i knew, kopsis |
| 13:00:34 | kopsis | ibot jeodeipkg? |
| 13:01:44 | Cloudchaser | kolla: that looks neat |
| 13:01:50 | kopsis | This probably gets asked a hundred times a day, but where can I find the scripts to ipkg up jeode, opera, and hancom for use on OZ3? |
| 13:01:55 | Zxcvb | how do I flash OZ? |
| 13:02:00 | Zxcvb | kopsis: you make them yourself |
| 13:02:17 | Twiun | kolla: Lol... on the poor puny Z? |
| 13:02:17 | Cloudchaser | Zxcvb: see install instructions on oz site |
| 13:02:20 | Zxcvb | I press c and d, and do the reset, then the mail and charge lights both light up, then go out and do nothing |
| 13:02:32 | kolla | Twiun: why not? it runs on ipaq |
| 13:02:34 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: the mail and charge light flashes briefly, but then goes out |
| 13:02:41 | kolla | and it runs on any amiga |
| 13:03:03 | Twiun | kolla: it's a cut down version on the ipaq |
| 13:03:03 | kolla | so unless you think that a slow 68030 based Amiga has more horsepower than a Z... :) |
| 13:04:15 | Twiun | kolla: I think the amiga does have floating point matah though, right? |
| 13:04:25 | Twiun | s/matah/math/ |
| 13:05:30 | kolla | Twiun: only if you're lucky |
| 13:05:52 | kolla | the 68882 is quite optional |
| 13:06:08 | kolla | and the 040LC/060LC machines do not have one |
| 13:06:44 | kolla | you do not need it to run photogenics.. allthough a special binary is provided for those who do have one |
| 13:06:54 | ljp | cloud: put this in your Konsole.conf: in [Colors] Schema = 19 foreground = #8000ff |
| 13:07:18 | kolla | Twiun: besides... photogenics also runs on ipaqs under pocketpc.. :) |
| 13:07:58 | Twiun | kolla: so you're talking about the full photogenics, not the pocket phojo product? |
| 13:08:01 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: the lights went on for a second, then went off |
| 13:08:08 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: way to short for a flash |
| 13:08:09 | kolla | Twiun: it's the same thing |
| 13:08:17 | Cloudchaser | Zxcvb: i haven't any idea |
| 13:08:24 | Twiun | Zxcvb: what files did you put on your CF card, and *where* did you put them? |
| 13:08:39 | kolla | Twiun: the core of the program is the same, only the gui is prepared for pocketpc |
| 13:08:52 | Zxcvb | Twiun: renamed the zimage to zImage |
| 13:08:56 | Cloudchaser | and did you rename the files as the instructions said to? |
| 13:08:58 | Zxcvb | Twiun: and had initrd.bin |
| 13:09:04 | Zxcvb | Twiun: both in the root directory |
| 13:09:15 | Twiun | Zxcvb: in /mnt/cf, right? |
| 13:09:33 | Twiun | kolla: I bow to your in-depth knowledge... gonna contact them for a Z port? |
| 13:09:51 | kolla | already did, asked Paul Nolan on IRC a few times :) |
| 13:09:55 | kolla | the author |
| 13:09:55 | Cloudchaser | Zxcvb: how did you get them onto CF card |
| 13:10:16 | Cloudchaser | kolla: what did he say? |
| 13:10:20 | Twiun | kolla: Cool... shame about the license cost - but it is specialist software I suppose |
| 13:10:23 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: wget |
| 13:10:58 | kolla | Twiun: not that interested, was busy enough with the already existing versions, and the market is not that big |
| 13:11:01 | Cloudchaser | and the z is plugged into power? |
| 13:11:06 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: yeah |
| 13:11:11 | kolla | but it wouldbe nice :) |
| 13:11:13 | Zxcvb | Cloudchaser: going to reflash with the sharp rom |
| 13:11:23 | Cloudchaser | what type of file system on the cf card? |
| 13:12:09 | Twiun | Zxcvb: what size CF card? |
| 13:13:06 | Zxcvb | Twiun: 64MB |
| 13:13:12 | Zxcvb | Twiun: with over 50MB free before the copy |
| 13:14:06 | Cloudchaser | fat filesystem on the card? |
| 13:14:15 | Zxcvb | yeah |
| 13:15:02 | Cloudchaser | any ideas on the website troubleshooting section? |
| 13:17:27 | Zxcvb | nope |
| 13:17:29 | PascalS | Zxcvb: flashing troubles? |
| 13:17:34 | Zxcvb | PascalS: yeah |
| 13:17:48 | PascalS | Zxcvb: try formatting the card and then putting the files on it. |
| 13:18:24 | PascalS | Zxcvb: I had some corruptions in the FAT of my card the first time I tried, the flash software doesn't like that |
| 13:18:35 | mark | Zxcvb: can you send me over sol.exe? i'd like to see it run |
| 13:19:09 | Zxcvb | mark: every windows CD has it |
| 13:19:20 | Zxcvb | brbb |
| 13:20:55 | Twiun | mark: gonna run it in wine? |
| 13:21:13 | mark | Twiun: gonna see how it is , yeh |
| 13:22:38 | mark | Zxcvb: KaZaA crashes even more in this one :) |
| 13:24:16 | kolla | Twiun: http://www.idruna.com/pocketpctutorials.html :) |
| 13:24:55 | Cloudchaser | its all moot if the guy won't port it though |
| 13:25:10 | Twiun | yeah... what about a gimp port! |
| 13:25:13 | Twiun | lol |
| 13:27:24 | Zxcvb_ | should it be zImage or zimage? |
| 13:27:33 | Cloudchaser | zImage |
| 13:27:46 | Zxcvb_ | i'll try my 32mb card |
| 13:35:54 | Zxcvb_ | yep, that was it |
| 13:36:02 | Zxcvb_ | my 64MB lexar isn't good for flashing |
| 13:37:45 | Twiun | working fine now? |
| 13:37:53 | Zxcvb_ | Twiun: yeah, with my 32mb card |
| 13:38:06 | Zxcvb_ | taking forever to boot, though |
| 13:38:42 | numatrix | Zxcvb_: the first boot does a lot of house cleaning. |
| 13:39:01 | Twiun | definately - but it's well worth the wait |
| 13:39:21 | Zxcvb_ | hopefully OZ will handle mmc/sd installs better |
| 13:39:34 | numatrix | Zxcvb_: AQPGK is a wonderful app. Does a phenominal job with it. |
| 13:39:46 | numatrix | Zxcvb_: That's one of my favorite things about OZ. |
| 13:39:54 | Zxcvb_ | numatrix: is that the default package manager? |
| 13:39:57 | Twiun | numatrix: agreed |
| 13:40:05 | numatrix | Zxcvb_: yup |
| 13:40:09 | numatrix | For good reason. |
| 13:40:26 | numatrix | You could install it on the sharp rom as well and it should work fine, but oz comes with it out of the box. |
| 13:59:31 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 14:08:19 | Twiun | hiya ben |
| 14:13:59 | Zxcvb | why are there no local packages? |
| 14:14:29 | Twiun | Zxcvb: there are |
| 14:14:40 | Twiun | Zxcvb: is the dropdown on local-IPKG? |
| 14:14:51 | Zxcvb | yes |
| 14:14:55 | Twiun | Zxcvb: that shows packages on CF/sd only |
| 14:14:56 | Zxcvb | and I have them on my CF card |
| 14:15:17 | benmeyer | hi there |
| 14:15:22 | Twiun | checks his aqpkg install |
| 14:16:55 | Twiun | Zxcvb: weird... mine works fine - ask AndyQ about it when he gest back from lunch |
| 14:17:00 | Twiun | s/gest/gets |
| 14:17:16 | Zxcvb | Twiun: where are your ipkgs at? |
| 14:17:44 | Twiun | Zxcvb: /mnt/cf and they show up just fine in aqpkg |
| 14:18:01 | Zxcvb | Twiun: mine are at /mnt/cf/ins |
| 14:18:12 | Zxcvb | Twiun: what are your medium mount settings |
| 14:19:07 | Twiun | Zxcvb: lol... I can't tell... the liquid theme has made those dialogues too big... one sec whilst I change |
| 14:20:04 | Twiun | Zxcvb: Global: enable medium checking, all medias ticked |
| 14:20:32 | Twiun | Zxcvb: CF Card, all ticked, limit search to is empty, always search this medium is ticked |
| 14:33:20 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 14:33:41 | Twiun | yowdy BB |
| 14:34:58 | benmeyer | http://handhelds.org/~zecke/screenshots/opie/opie-x23-5.png |
| 14:35:05 | benmeyer | Opie in X11 look at the dialog |
| 14:35:09 | Twiun | BigBoss: what mantis category do you want me to put a tkc mantis bug in? |
| 14:35:10 | benmeyer | it has a Check box for Ok |
| 14:35:15 | benmeyer | Very cool |
| 14:35:19 | BigBoss | Twiun: what's the bug? |
| 14:35:41 | BigBoss | there is a mantis category in mantis |
| 14:36:06 | Twiun | BigBoss: clicking on a bug id doesn't show the bug detail, redirects to https://www.thekompany.com/mantis/login_select_proj_page.php |
| 14:36:50 | bipolar | BigBoss: I noticed that bug too yesterday. |
| 14:38:05 | Twiun | BigBoss: I don't see mantis in the categories I can choose from in the bug submission page, I see: Doc, New Feature, Other, Overall, User Interface and Wrong Behaviour |
| 14:38:57 | Twiun | BigBoss: nevermind |
| 14:38:58 | BigBoss | yea, it's a bug in mantis, and we know about it |
| 14:39:06 | BigBoss | we're trying to see if we can fix it ourselves |
| 14:39:09 | Twiun | BigBoss: nm about the mantis category... |
| 14:39:35 | Twiun | I was in the tkcEditor project... hence why I wasn't show a list of projects to choose from |
| 14:39:51 | BigBoss | ah |
| 14:39:56 | BigBoss | in any case, no need to report it |
| 14:40:03 | Twiun | cool ;-) |
| 14:40:16 | Twiun | one less red entry to clutter the list with |
| 14:40:50 | BigBoss | there shouldn't be any red ones, they've all been assigned |
| 14:42:12 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:43:00 | BigBoss | hey chouimat |
| 14:43:10 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 14:44:08 | Twiun | BigBoss: I was referring to the DataArchitect ones ;-) |
| 14:44:18 | BigBoss | ah - they are assigned now |
| 14:45:20 | chouimat | goes make a huge batch of coffee |
| 14:47:25 | BigBoss | hey Cloudchaser |
| 14:47:44 | BigBoss | my neighbors thought my spider beard was cool, they all want to do it next year |
| 14:48:44 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 14:48:48 | Cloudchaser | it was cool |
| 14:49:22 | Cloudchaser | did you have fun then? |
| 14:49:40 | BigBoss | yea, but after the kiddies were done, I drank a wee bit too much, I'm gonna need a nap today |
| 14:49:49 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 14:50:35 | chouimat | was a nude model yesterday (cool costume, very inexpensive) |
| 14:51:04 | Twiun | BigBoss: you *did* take a picture for us, right? |
| 14:51:31 | BigBoss | Twiun: you didn't see? I posted some immediate shots at ftp.rygannon.com/pub/ then look in the Powerplant directory |
| 14:51:45 | BigBoss | there are some better pictures from last night, but I have to get them out of the camera yet |
| 14:53:06 | Twiun | BigBoss: looking now ;-) |
| 14:53:18 | BigBoss | these are self taken, so the angle is funky |
| 14:54:05 | Cloudchaser | they came out pretty well i think |
| 14:54:09 | Cloudchaser | for self-taken |
| 14:54:13 | Twiun | I agree, they look very cool |
| 14:54:31 | BigBoss | it looked better in my black trench coat |
| 14:54:50 | Twiun | lol |
| 14:55:09 | Twiun | gonna have to let mine grow back some more - and dye it black ;-) |
| 14:56:54 | ljp | anyone played this? http://www.americasarmy.com/ |
| 14:57:36 | benmeyer | http://www.serialio.com/products/adaptors/ZThinCable.htm |
| 14:57:53 | Cloudchaser | i saw that! :) |
| 14:57:57 | Cloudchaser | thats very cool |
| 14:57:59 | benmeyer | have one here |
| 14:58:06 | chouimat | BigBoss: btw I got the new symphony x |
| 14:58:52 | hardwire | http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=zaurus&type=2 |
| 14:59:09 | Cloudchaser | hello hardwire: |
| 14:59:16 | hardwire | hello Cloudchaser: |
| 14:59:30 | hardwire | whats new dudes? |
| 14:59:43 | hardwire | http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=cloudchaser&type=1 |
| 15:00:48 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 15:01:29 | ljp | snow is whats up |
| 15:02:25 | ljp | hahahah -> cloudchaser is my wife |
| 15:02:47 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 15:02:53 | Cloudchaser | coulda been my husband saying that |
| 15:03:02 | hardwire | hahah |
| 15:03:23 | Cloudchaser | could be another one |
| 15:03:42 | hardwire | http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=hardwire&type=1 |
| 15:03:44 | hardwire | hahahh |
| 15:03:50 | ljp | http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=llornkcor&type=1 |
| 15:04:30 | ljp | ljp is down and disturbed maggot lifts ljp up by his head |
| 15:04:44 | Cloudchaser | hardwire is having second thoughts about being the kind of monster that he was turned into and wants to be allowed to die |
| 15:04:46 | hardwire | llornkcor is rocknroll spelled backwards |
| 15:04:48 | hardwire | haha |
| 15:04:59 | hardwire | Cloudchaser ! |
| 15:05:09 | Cloudchaser | lol it says that! |
| 15:05:13 | hardwire | heheh |
| 15:05:19 | hardwire | hardwire is not an uncommon practice |
| 15:05:24 | hardwire | hardwire is hard |
| 15:05:30 | Cloudchaser | hardwire is a neat piece of mostly instrumental hip hop that smoothly updates the jungle brothers circa "straight out the jungle" |
| 15:05:30 | Cloudchaser | hardwire is impractical |
| 15:05:36 | hardwire | hardwire is safe and durable |
| 15:05:39 | ljp | hardwire is a hardwire |
| 15:05:50 | hardwire | hardwire is fairly simple and inexpensive |
| 15:05:56 | ljp | hardwire is used |
| 15:05:59 | hardwire | hardwire is "tested and certified" to insure the best quality |
| 15:06:11 | ljp | hardwire is hard |
| 15:06:19 | hardwire | :) |
| 15:06:24 | hardwire | hardwire is best |
| 15:06:29 | ljp | hardwire is having second thoughts about being the kind of monster that he was turned into and wants to be allowed to die |
| 15:06:33 | hardwire | hardwire is right |
| 15:06:43 | hardwire | http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=kergoth&type=1 |
| 15:06:44 | hardwire | heh |
| 15:07:05 | ljp | tkc is running extremely slow |
| 15:07:29 | Twiun | hardwire: rofl |
| 15:08:35 | ljp | opie is hard to compile |
| 15:08:58 | ljp | opie is actually thor's little brother and kimba's clutchmate |
| 15:09:37 | ljp | opie is our master |
| 15:09:44 | hardwire | hardwire is not an uncommon practice |
| 15:09:55 | hardwire | kergoth is a criminal |
| 15:10:59 | chouimat | hardwire: ? |
| 15:11:10 | hardwire | ? |
| 15:11:14 | hardwire | http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=kergoth&type=1 |
| 15:11:43 | BigBoss | chouimat: oh dude - I should be getting that then, actually it should have come already |
| 15:12:32 | chouimat | BigBoss: kazaa :) |
| 15:14:16 | BigBoss | chouimat: still, it's not out yet is it? IOMA sends me the stuff before it's released typically |
| 15:14:46 | chouimat | BigBoss: release date november 5 |
| 15:15:00 | kergoth`zzz | i'm a criminal? |
| 15:15:01 | kergoth`zzz | lmao |
| 15:15:13 | chouimat | kergoth`zzz: hi |
| 15:15:27 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 15:15:37 | Cloudchaser | you're also.. f'ing cool |
| 15:15:42 | kergoth | apparently |
| 15:15:42 | chouimat | kergoth: to answer your questions: still on paper |
| 15:15:44 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:15:48 | kergoth | chouimat: k :) |
| 15:15:52 | Twiun | hey kergie |
| 15:16:58 | kergoth | cloudchaser is operating this plane without any brakes |
| 15:17:00 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:17:19 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 15:18:33 | bipolar | I like "bipolar is different" |
| 15:19:03 | bipolar | or "bipolar is in a way trendy" |
| 15:19:07 | bipolar | lol |
| 15:19:27 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:19:30 | kergoth | i had to look up my company |
| 15:19:31 | kergoth | Googlism for: digi |
| 15:19:35 | kergoth | digi is gone |
| 15:19:35 | kergoth | digi is part of berjaya |
| 15:19:35 | kergoth | digi is db |
| 15:19:35 | kergoth | digi is gone geschrieben von |
| 15:19:36 | kergoth | digi is the first network operator in |
| 15:19:39 | kergoth | digi is malaysia's leading gsm 1800 mobile network service operator with a customer base more than 1 |
| 15:19:42 | kergoth | digi is malaysia's leading gsm 1800 mobile network service operator with a |
| 15:19:44 | kergoth | digi is the leader |
| 15:19:47 | kergoth | digi is the leader in connectware |
| 15:19:50 | kergoth | digi is a cairn with her own will |
| 15:19:52 | kergoth | digi is rj |
| 15:19:55 | kergoth | digi is extending the boundaries of connectware by providing simple |
| 15:19:58 | kergoth | digi is pleased to be presenting partner for the 3rd |
| 15:20:00 | kergoth | er |
| 15:20:03 | bipolar | I don't think this is right: "bipolar is pregnant" wtf?! |
| 15:20:03 | kergoth | doh |
| 15:20:04 | hardwire | heheh |
| 15:20:05 | kergoth | sorry bout that, fucking mouse |
| 15:20:08 | kergoth | "digi is a little foreign bastard" <-what i tried to paste |
| 15:20:21 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 15:20:21 | kergoth | ibot: bipolar is also pregnant |
| 15:20:23 | kergoth | lmao |
| 15:20:37 | bipolar | HAHAHA! "bipolar is focused to a small area" |
| 15:20:57 | | OK, bipolar. |
| 15:20:57 | bipolar | ibot: biplolar is NOT pregnant! |
| 15:21:04 | Cloudchaser | ROFL |
| 15:21:11 | | i guess bipolar is getting married on the 29th of june at 3pm ET. or pregnant |
| 15:21:11 | numatrix | ibot: bipolar |
| 15:21:17 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:21:18 | bipolar | bastard |
| 15:21:19 | numatrix | cracks up |
| 15:21:26 | | biplolar is probably NOT pregnant! |
| 15:21:26 | kergoth | ibot: biplolar |
| 15:21:33 | bipolar | LOL |
| 15:21:38 | numatrix | probably. even better... |
| 15:21:39 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:21:42 | hardwire | I have a BiiiiiiiiiiG putty tat on me |
| 15:21:52 | | bipolar: I forgot bipolar |
| 15:21:52 | bipolar | ibot forget bipolar |
| 15:22:15 | nasa | morning, so who is the wwwoffle export? |
| 15:22:48 | | OK, bipolar. |
| 15:22:48 | bipolar | ibot: bipolar is http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=bipolar&type=1 |
| 15:23:04 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:23:05 | hardwire | nasa: woffle exert? |
| 15:23:05 | kergoth | this site rocks |
| 15:23:16 | hardwire | america is online |
| 15:23:18 | BigBoss | I just put up a few more pictures from halloween |
| 15:23:30 | hardwire | america is dangerously wide |
| 15:23:34 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:23:37 | hardwire | america is a racist nation |
| 15:23:38 | hardwire | america is hope and freedom |
| 15:23:44 | hardwire | right next to eachother |
| 15:23:45 | hardwire | he |
| 15:23:47 | hardwire | h |
| 15:23:50 | nasa | hardwire: wwwoffle -- website downloaded for the z |
| 15:23:57 | | wwwoffle is available at http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ or available in ipk at http://hrabbey.webhop.net/Projects/Deb2Ipks/ |
| 15:23:57 | nasa | ibot wwwoffle |
| 15:24:09 | hardwire | world wide woffle! |
| 15:24:28 | hardwire | america is back to normal for the first time in i think six weeks the astonishing spectacle presented itself last tuesday |
| 15:24:38 | nasa | smiles |
| 15:24:48 | ljp | bipolar is "trendy" |
| 15:24:56 | hardwire | cartoon cartoon! |
| 15:25:16 | ljp | bipolar is a theme for fluxbox |
| 15:25:36 | kergoth | dilbert is not a whale |
| 15:25:38 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:27:31 | kergoth | hahahaha |
| 15:27:33 | kergoth | ljp is a chronic inflammatory infection of the gingiva and underlying bony tissues |
| 15:27:52 | ljp | hmmm |
| 15:27:52 | chouimat | kergoth: did you wrote some doc |
| 15:28:08 | kergoth | chouimat: nah, i'm finishing the new opie buildsystem first. it uses lkc too :) |
| 15:28:36 | chouimat | kergoth: ETA? |
| 15:29:07 | hardwire | dexters lab! |
| 15:29:07 | hardwire | woot |
| 15:29:08 | kergoth | chouimat: done today or tomorrow |
| 15:29:09 | hardwire | hugs cable |
| 15:29:57 | ljp | ha! -> sharp zaurus is gpl'd so they are >>releasing the source |
| 15:30:05 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:30:31 | kergoth | ljp is present the screen is\omega \omega automatically set to vga |
| 15:30:46 | ljp | hmm |
| 15:31:49 | kergoth | cranks up hed p.e. |
| 15:31:59 | ljp | sharp zaurus is a nifty toy i am currently trying to justify to myself buying |
| 15:32:01 | kergoth | you gonna slow me down bitch? show me how |
| 15:33:10 | benmeyer | ljp: you don't have one? |
| 15:34:20 | | OK, bipolar. |
| 15:34:20 | bipolar | ibot: fucker is fed up with the wacked out superbad |
| 15:34:38 | bipolar | lol |
| 15:35:23 | ljp | benmeyer: http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=sharp+zaurus&type=1 |
| 15:35:41 | bipolar | want a real laugh? Look up bill gates. :) |
| 15:37:26 | Twiun | now this is good: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=664 |
| 15:37:52 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:37:53 | kergoth | hey guys |
| 15:38:00 | kergoth | we need 'ibot search googlism for blah' |
| 15:38:03 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:38:29 | benmeyer | sharp zaurus is now available for just $19 |
| 15:38:40 | kergoth | make it pick like 2 of them to return, and a link to the results |
| 15:39:06 | benmeyer | na, just say a different thing everytime |
| 15:39:16 | benmeyer | and only search it if it doesn't know about something |
| 15:39:44 | kergoth | yeah yeah, thatd work |
| 15:41:29 | benmeyer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1393305847 |
| 15:42:10 | benmeyer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1393434889 |
| 15:42:26 | benmeyer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1394142532 |
| 15:42:29 | benmeyer | $162 |
| 15:42:31 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:43:20 | ljp | stretch-> SHARP Zaurus MPEG-4 Video Recorder |
| 15:43:52 | benmeyer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1393876831 |
| 15:56:17 | nasa | What can cause a "/bin/sh: Can't open..." type error? Permissions are all good (using 777 for testing) |
| 15:56:43 | nasa | And the file is located.... |
| 15:59:15 | kergoth | nasa: check dir permissions on the dirs its in |
| 16:01:19 | nasa | kergoth: checked -- no love... |
| 16:01:36 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=692 |
| 16:01:40 | benmeyer | Cool app ^^ |
| 16:03:10 | BigBoss | hey sniper |
| 16:03:25 | kergoth | hey Sniper |
| 16:03:28 | Sniper | hey |
| 16:03:35 | Sniper | BB i saw the bundle with WinConnect |
| 16:03:38 | hash|z | kergoth : rebooting the thing got it working |
| 16:03:40 | Sniper | err.. i read about it |
| 16:03:49 | BigBoss | benmeyer: yea, that app was done by one of our guys in romanias friend, he lent her the Z to build it |
| 16:03:57 | BigBoss | Sniper: where did you see the announcement? |
| 16:04:12 | Sniper | umm i saw it on some website.. i think zaurus.loveslinux.com |
| 16:04:34 | benmeyer | BigBoss: ah cool, I sent in a xml test to her for it |
| 16:04:50 | benmeyer | definatly one of the best apps in the contest in my opinion |
| 16:04:51 | Cloudchaser | it looks like a nice app |
| 16:04:54 | BigBoss | Thinsoft put out the announcement yesterday, I was just wondering where |
| 16:05:10 | hash|z | which app? |
| 16:05:12 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: they wanted to commercialize it, but I don't know what they ended up doing |
| 16:06:11 | benmeyer | the test app? |
| 16:06:30 | benmeyer | I would like to get it include in kdeedu |
| 16:06:45 | Cloudchaser | kdeedu? |
| 16:07:01 | benmeyer | the kde edu packages |
| 16:07:05 | BigBoss | benmeyer: yes |
| 16:07:05 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 16:07:12 | Cloudchaser | whats thinsoft? |
| 16:07:13 | benmeyer | educational software |
| 16:07:32 | benmeyer | I figure they will probably come up with something similar so why not work together |
| 16:07:38 | benmeyer | and build compatible xml tests |
| 16:07:39 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:07:48 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 16:07:50 | Cloudchaser | makes sense |
| 16:08:26 | Cloudchaser | and whats teh bundle with winconnect? |
| 16:08:30 | hash|z | whats the name of this cool app? |
| 16:08:32 | Cloudchaser | i think i got confused somewhere |
| 16:08:40 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=692 |
| 16:08:41 | Cloudchaser | handtest hash |
| 16:08:43 | benmeyer | HandTest |
| 16:08:55 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: WinConnectZ and tkcJabber |
| 16:09:04 | benmeyer | If anyone wants I have a GPL test |
| 16:09:11 | benmeyer | to test your knoledge of the GPL |
| 16:09:19 | Cloudchaser | is it hard to make tests benmeyer? |
| 16:09:28 | benmeyer | nope |
| 16:09:30 | benmeyer | xml file |
| 16:09:31 | benmeyer | easy |
| 16:09:52 | benmeyer | took maybe 20 minutes, 15 of which was spent figuring out gpl stuff |
| 16:09:55 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:10:22 | Cloudchaser | cool |
| 16:10:32 | Cloudchaser | and BigBoss have you got a link? |
| 16:11:57 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcjabber has it listed |
| 16:12:56 | nagROM | tkc needs to put the radio browser,audio player and the mpeg player together. |
| 16:14:08 | BigBoss | nagROM: well originally we were going to do that and have the MediaPlayer, but our customers preferred to have more, smaller, cheaper apps |
| 16:14:31 | nasa | Off to work, bbl |
| 16:14:46 | Cloudchaser | that winconnect z thing sounds pretty neat |
| 16:15:58 | BigBoss | it works pretty well |
| 16:16:18 | numatrix | Wow. Anyone tried qpPhoto? |
| 16:16:24 | Cloudchaser | i saw that |
| 16:16:27 | Cloudchaser | haven't tried it yet |
| 16:16:59 | hash|z | numatrix: link? |
| 16:17:02 | numatrix | it's got some refresh issues, but all in all, it's amazing |
| 16:17:08 | | qpPhoto 1.0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=691 |
| 16:17:08 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for qpPhoto |
| 16:17:14 | numatrix | hash|z: ^^ |
| 16:18:05 | BigBoss | can it handle large images? |
| 16:18:22 | numatrix | BB: dunno; it appears to be a combo painter/image program, so I doubt it. |
| 16:18:31 | Cloudchaser | theres' not alot of info at the web site |
| 16:18:38 | numatrix | It has a huge feature set. |
| 16:19:06 | Cloudchaser | cool for cropping pics |
| 16:19:19 | BigBoss | numatrix: it looks nice, but if it has the same memory problems as the built in viewer, then it's got limited usefullness |
| 16:19:37 | BigBoss | that's one of the nice features of tkcGallery, it can handle any size image |
| 16:19:53 | numatrix | BB: Yup, it definitely doesn't seem like it's aiming to be a photo viewer program, despite the name. |
| 16:20:10 | numatrix | BB: I'd say it's definitely more of a paint program. And an excellent one at that. |
| 16:20:12 | BigBoss | but if this thing can handle the memory, it looks like a nice complimentary application to something like tkcGallery |
| 16:20:15 | hash|z | mooview kicks ass |
| 16:20:36 | BigBoss | tkcGallery and tkcPlayer are my 2 personal favorites of our applications |
| 16:20:40 | mark | hash|z: yeh it looks pretty good |
| 16:20:43 | hash|z | very efficient algorithims |
| 16:21:09 | mark | hasn't used his digicam for ages so hasn't isntalled any image softawre |
| 16:21:21 | numatrix | hash|z: mooview doesn't work on openzaurus... :-( |
| 16:21:34 | hash|z | if you cant get it to run on OZ i have a version that i compiled that works |
| 16:21:45 | mark | do we know if hancom have updated MobileOffice for the next Zaurus? |
| 16:21:47 | hardwire | BuRP |
| 16:21:54 | numatrix | BB: Yeah, I think I'm going to pick up tkcEditor and tkgGallery (gallery since I finally got a digital camera, and would love a good viewer) |
| 16:22:03 | Cloudchaser | gallery is awesome |
| 16:22:14 | Cloudchaser | so is editor.. i think those are the ones i use the most |
| 16:22:17 | numatrix | hash|z: really? excellent. Let me try again real quick and I'll let you know. |
| 16:22:26 | hash|z | k |
| 16:22:30 | BigBoss | numatrix: soon we will have an update for Editor that has drammatic speed improvements, we are in final tests with the updates |
| 16:22:52 | Twiun | BigBoss: /me starts salivating |
| 16:22:53 | Cloudchaser | cool :) |
| 16:23:04 | Twiun | I'm looking forward to it ;-) |
| 16:23:05 | mark | BigBoss: is that the 5x speed up or something? |
| 16:23:10 | numatrix | BB: Will it be included in a purchase of the current one or should I wait? |
| 16:23:13 | BigBoss | 5 to 10 times |
| 16:23:17 | BigBoss | you get free updates |
| 16:23:21 | numatrix | BB: Excellent. |
| 16:23:34 | hash|z | what is 5 thimes faster? |
| 16:23:42 | BigBoss | the code to tkcEditor is used in about 5 of our applications, so this is a great enhancement for us |
| 16:23:49 | BigBoss | we also just about got word wrap complete |
| 16:24:00 | Cloudchaser | yay! |
| 16:24:08 | Cloudchaser | as an option, right? |
| 16:24:18 | Cloudchaser | not as automatic? |
| 16:24:35 | Twiun | BigBoss: that's cool |
| 16:24:49 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: right |
| 16:24:51 | Cloudchaser | i really like word wrap |
| 16:24:54 | Cloudchaser | hates to scroll |
| 16:25:05 | BigBoss | well there are two types of word wrap, hard and soft |
| 16:25:18 | BigBoss | hard stores the wrap in the file and soft just changes the display |
| 16:25:33 | Cloudchaser | well i know coders like their lines without wraps, right? |
| 16:25:37 | Cloudchaser | ah thats cool |
| 16:25:57 | BigBoss | that's why there are two types |
| 16:26:04 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 16:26:11 | kergoth | treke|home: you've tested hancom word on opie w/ qt/e 2.3.4 beta2? |
| 16:26:21 | kergoth | treke|home: I'm fairly certain its an elusive BIC issue |
| 16:26:22 | Cloudchaser | i use editor more than hancom word |
| 16:26:26 | numatrix | BB: By the way, it handles large images excellently. Of course, it doesn't have a browse mode, so I really wouldn't consider it in the same class of app as tkcgallery. |
| 16:26:37 | BigBoss | even the CEO of hancom liked tkcEditor more than HancomWord on the Z |
| 16:26:47 | hash|z | heh |
| 16:26:52 | Cloudchaser | i only use it when i have to open word docs |
| 16:26:54 | numatrix | BB: Does tkcEditor open word files? |
| 16:26:56 | numatrix | :-) |
| 16:27:06 | BigBoss | numatrix: it sounds like a great complimentary applicaion, now I can point people to it when they ask for edit options |
| 16:27:11 | Cloudchaser | hehe no it doesn't i don't think |
| 16:27:18 | BigBoss | numatrix: HancomWord doesn't really open Word files very well |
| 16:27:22 | hash|z | numatrix: ready for mooview? |
| 16:27:29 | numatrix | BigBoss: Definitely. This is one of the most promising suprise apps I've seen in a while. You might want to see if this guy is already employed. :-) |
| 16:27:31 | Cloudchaser | that too BigBoss: ut it *does* open them |
| 16:27:32 | kergoth | tkceditor isnt a word processor, its a text editor. of course most people dont -need- a true word processor on a pda. i certainly dont |
| 16:27:33 | mark | hash|z: me too please, maybe put the link on zsi too? |
| 16:27:58 | hash|z | um, ok |
| 16:28:02 | treke | kergoth: I have |
| 16:28:26 | kergoth | treke: fucked up. i dont get what it could be, unless its a libc6 issue |
| 16:28:27 | hash|z | opie-irc doesnt have dcc |
| 16:28:28 | BigBoss | apparently a whole bunch of hancom employees filed a labor suit in Korea for failure to pay salaries |
| 16:28:29 | kergoth | stabs gnu |
| 16:28:39 | BigBoss | the korean government is now involved trying to get it resolved |
| 16:28:42 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 16:28:48 | mark | oh dear |
| 16:28:59 | treke | kergoth: works fine other than the font size issue |
| 16:29:01 | chouimat | ouch |
| 16:29:35 | kergoth | treke: hm, thanks |
| 16:30:24 | numatrix | I'm editing an 800x1140 sized image, and it's working very well. Let's see how fast it saves. Hmm, took about 10 seconds to save the image in png format from jpg with some pieces of it moved around. |
| 16:30:32 | numatrix | Wow. Yeah. I'm really impressed. |
| 16:30:57 | hash | http://ha5h.net/files/mooview_0.2_arm.ipk |
| 16:31:01 | numatrix | hash: thanks. |
| 16:31:17 | hash|z | np |
| 16:31:20 | BigBoss | how many megapixels is that numatrix |
| 16:31:35 | mark | 1 or so |
| 16:31:39 | hash | it can view large files |
| 16:31:42 | BigBoss | so that isn't very big |
| 16:31:43 | numatrix | BB: Not that many. |
| 16:31:43 | hardwire | megapixels scanline |
| 16:31:51 | numatrix | BB: No, but I was editing it on a handheld... :-) |
| 16:32:07 | BigBoss | I've got people using 4 or more megapixel cameras with tkcGallery now |
| 16:32:24 | numatrix | BB: And they probably shouldn't expect to be editing 4megapixel images on a handheld. |
| 16:32:30 | hash | hmm... i should try that too |
| 16:32:35 | hash | large files work on mooview |
| 16:32:39 | numatrix | BB: Viewing, yeah, editing? Dunno... |
| 16:33:17 | BigBoss | numatrix: you would be surprised what people expect to do on a handheld :) |
| 16:33:24 | BigBoss | hash: how large? |
| 16:33:40 | hash | trying 4 mega pixle camera SD card |
| 16:33:50 | BigBoss | and it's working? |
| 16:34:09 | numatrix | BB: Besides, I've got a 3 megapixel camera and I rarely take photos at full rez anyway. :-) |
| 16:34:11 | hash | hmm... sd card not mounting |
| 16:34:32 | BigBoss | numatrix: mine is 2.1 and I always take at high rez |
| 16:34:48 | chouimat | prefer film camera (better resolution) |
| 16:34:56 | BigBoss | digital cameras really change the way you take pictures - just snap 5 copies of the same scene to get the right shot |
| 16:35:12 | numatrix | Ok, let's have some fun. Throw a 3000x2400 image at it. |
| 16:35:26 | hash | dang... this card wont mount |
| 16:35:36 | Cloudchaser | waits for the screams when the z locks up |
| 16:35:53 | ljp | BB: thats how professionals do it |
| 16:36:07 | Cloudchaser | my digital camera broke :( |
| 16:36:12 | hash | me too |
| 16:36:16 | Cloudchaser | the thing that holds the batteries in |
| 16:36:23 | hash | i dropped mine in the ocean |
| 16:36:26 | Cloudchaser | but i have it duct taped on so it still works |
| 16:36:30 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 16:36:33 | Cloudchaser | loves duct tape |
| 16:36:48 | hash | am i supposed to be running something to get sd cards to work? |
| 16:37:27 | hash | cardctl status 1 |
| 16:37:33 | BigBoss | did you hear that duct tape works better to remove warts than the standard medicine? |
| 16:37:36 | hash | no card |
| 16:37:37 | BigBoss | seriously |
| 16:37:42 | kergoth | hash: sd != pcmcia |
| 16:37:46 | kergoth | hash: cardctl will do nothing |
| 16:37:46 | hash | oh |
| 16:37:48 | Cloudchaser | has NO warts! |
| 16:37:57 | hardwire | ? |
| 16:37:58 | hash | never used sd card before |
| 16:38:21 | kergoth | hash: /etc/sdcontrol can be used to cause events with it, but its all automatic. the sdmgr daemon will automount. |
| 16:38:21 | BigBoss | i had warts when I was a kid and they did dry ice treatments like once a week or something |
| 16:38:23 | BigBoss | no fun |
| 16:38:27 | hardwire | I think conan obrian is made of plastic |
| 16:38:58 | hash | kergoth: sdmgr isnt running |
| 16:39:04 | kergoth | hash: /etc/init.d/sd start |
| 16:39:07 | hash | k |
| 16:39:12 | hash | with the card out/in? |
| 16:39:15 | hash | does it matter? |
| 16:39:20 | kergoth | doesnt matter |
| 16:39:27 | kergoth | it stays running all the time regardless |
| 16:40:54 | hash | sdmgr still isnt running |
| 16:41:21 | hash | it said "Start SD Services" |
| 16:41:31 | hash | but ps ax|grep sdmgr doesnt return anything |
| 16:42:05 | kergoth | something with your unit, i havent heard any reports of sd misbehavior |
| 16:42:08 | kergoth | which rom are you running? |
| 16:42:20 | hash | unstable from a week ago |
| 16:42:22 | kergoth | an old prerelease would exhibit that behavior |
| 16:42:26 | hash | didnt upgrade for awhile |
| 16:42:28 | hash | ok |
| 16:42:29 | kergoth | upgrade or flash 3.0 |
| 16:42:30 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:42:34 | hash | opie-base would screw me up |
| 16:42:41 | kergoth | upgrade oz-base |
| 16:42:43 | kergoth | thats the one you need |
| 16:42:44 | hash | it would remove /dev or something |
| 16:42:46 | kergoth | and sdmmc also |
| 16:42:49 | kergoth | it doesnt now |
| 16:42:58 | kergoth | upgrades are smooth when jffs2 behaves itself |
| 16:43:08 | hash | k |
| 16:43:24 | kergoth | geh, cant these oz install 'help me!' emails be sent to mailing lists, not to me directly? |
| 16:43:28 | kergoth | smacks around some end users |
| 16:43:51 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 16:44:08 | Cloudchaser | i saw one guy posted repeatedly to zaurus zone |
| 16:44:20 | Cloudchaser | turns out he didn't rtfm and rename his zimage |
| 16:44:56 | chouimat|bored | Cloudchaser: people can read? |
| 16:45:10 | hash | chouimat|bored: only what they want to read |
| 16:45:13 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 16:45:52 | hash | kergoth: i got tons of those "ERROR: Package oz-base wants to install file /dev/whatever but that file...." |
| 16:45:57 | chouimat|bored | the sum of human intelligence is a constant, the problem is that the population is grwoing |
| 16:46:00 | hash | delete those? |
| 16:46:43 | kergoth | hash: yeah |
| 16:46:59 | hash | i hope this wont crash the system |
| 16:47:31 | BigBoss | god I hate chinese spam, can't even read it |
| 16:47:39 | kergoth | hm, i need a smooth easy means of integrating roman zippel's config system into a buildsystem without manually editing makefiles left and right |
| 16:47:44 | BigBoss | chouimat|bored: so how is the new symphony x album? |
| 16:47:56 | kergoth | makes a text file to associate config tag with path in the source tree |
| 16:48:02 | chouimat|bored | BigBoss: very heavy |
| 16:49:27 | BigBoss | how does it compare with their last couple? |
| 16:50:04 | chouimat|bored | BigBoss: more guitar. go to www.symphonyx.com. there is two mp3 on it |
| 16:50:11 | kolla | decides to move usr and op out on the SD again... this aint going anywhere :) |
| 16:50:38 | chouimat|bored | BigBoss: accolade II |
| 16:50:56 | BigBoss | I got a stack of 10 CD's in from Magna Carta, and boy was I disappointed |
| 16:51:05 | BigBoss | almost all of them are just big names musically masterbating |
| 16:51:08 | chouimat|bored | BigBoss: EC? |
| 16:51:15 | kergoth | kolla: whats not going anywhere? |
| 16:51:23 | BigBoss | EC? |
| 16:51:33 | chouimat|bored | BigBoss: Explorer Club |
| 16:51:35 | kolla | kergoth: full / and softlinks pointing everywhere :) |
| 16:51:47 | kolla | it just freaks me out :) |
| 16:51:54 | kergoth | ahh gotcha |
| 16:52:12 | BigBoss | EC is not bad, but the new Magellan is not very good, and I really like Magellan |
| 16:52:13 | kergoth | yeah, its nice to move all of opie out of /, then you've got an assload of free space in flash |
| 16:52:21 | hash | oops |
| 16:52:25 | BigBoss | it's the Steve Mores, Andy West, Bosiaa&sheehan stuff that sucks |
| 16:52:29 | kolla | kergoth: yes |
| 16:52:30 | hash | should have closed opie before upgrading |
| 16:52:51 | Piete | anyone know how I can prevent the zaurus from suspending when I use kismet? |
| 16:52:53 | kergoth | hash: you can 'ipkg upgrade oz-base sdmmc' instead of upgrading everythign you know :) |
| 16:52:59 | chouimat|bored | BigBoss: trying to do cool stuff but they missed it |
| 16:53:12 | BigBoss | it's just jams with solo's |
| 16:53:15 | BigBoss | big deal |
| 16:53:19 | hash | kergoth: yeah, but i might as well do the whole thing while i'm at it... hehe |
| 16:53:48 | chouimat|bored | BigBoss: Bozzio Levine Stevens are supporsed to release something next year |
| 16:53:49 | kolla | kergoth: was it so now that sdmgr actually mounts the SD as set in /etc/fstab? |
| 16:54:18 | BigBoss | chouimat: I really like their 2nd album, the first one was boring |
| 16:54:24 | kergoth | kolla: yeah, current sdmmc package follows fstab |
| 16:54:33 | kolla | ok, nice |
| 16:54:43 | kergoth | kolla: you on 3 or a prerelease? |
| 16:54:51 | chouimat | BigBoss: 3 days to compose and record when they have never played together ... |
| 16:54:51 | kolla | 3 |
| 16:54:56 | BigBoss | woohoo - the cybernetics department at the university of bohemia in the czech republic just bought a bunch of our desktop software |
| 16:54:59 | kolla | just reflashed actually |
| 16:55:12 | kergoth | kolla: ah cool, hows it working for you so far? |
| 16:55:15 | Cloudchaser | :) cool BigBoss |
| 16:55:18 | kolla | ok :) |
| 16:55:51 | chouimat | woohhooo my patch for alldata works |
| 16:56:05 | hash | ah shit |
| 16:56:08 | hash | it wont boot now |
| 16:56:26 | hash | Configuring network interfaces: Cant open /dev/null |
| 16:56:34 | kergoth | hash: that shouldnt prevent a boot |
| 16:56:36 | hash | the /dev/ dir got erased or something, right? |
| 16:56:37 | kergoth | hash: did you get to a login? |
| 16:56:38 | kergoth | no |
| 16:56:42 | chouimat | now can access the info on all the 12 DVDs |
| 16:56:45 | kergoth | i bet i know what happened |
| 16:56:48 | kergoth | you didnt overwrite your fstab |
| 16:56:50 | kergoth | when it prompted |
| 16:56:56 | hash | kergoth: i did |
| 16:57:02 | hash | i overwrote all config files |
| 16:57:10 | hash | except /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:57:11 | kergoth | then fstab would have a /dev ramdisk entry |
| 16:57:17 | kergoth | and itll mount on boot |
| 16:57:24 | kergoth | and all the devices fall into place |
| 16:57:38 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:57:41 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:57:46 | kergoth | secretary put the PA system on hold again |
| 16:57:49 | kergoth | listens to hold music |
| 16:58:16 | chouimat | kergoth: people here don't like my hold music |
| 16:58:40 | hash | hates upgrading *-base |
| 16:58:46 | hash | this happend the last 5 times |
| 16:58:50 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:58:59 | kergoth | hash: onyx4 has upgraded from 2.9.5.5 -> 3.0 |
| 16:59:06 | kergoth | hash: he needs to update the faq entry on it |
| 16:59:14 | hash | huh? |
| 16:59:39 | hash | what is onyx4? |
| 16:59:57 | | onyx4 was last seen on #openzaurus 3 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: ok cardmon works now I tested it [Mon Oct 28 17:43:11 2002] |
| 16:59:57 | kergoth | ibot: seen onyx4 |
| 17:00:00 | BigBoss | it's a pokemon |
| 17:00:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:00:04 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:00:09 | hash | i cant loose the data on my flash right now |
| 17:00:12 | hash | i need it |
| 17:00:12 | kolla | BigBoss: needs poking at least |
| 17:00:20 | | benmeyer: huh? |
| 17:00:20 | benmeyer | ibot pokemon |
| 17:00:22 | BigBoss | I was gonna take my son to see the new pokemon movie today, and it's already out of the theaters |
| 17:00:26 | hash | what is keeping the system from booting? |
| 17:00:26 | BigBoss | I can hardly imagine why |
| 17:00:28 | chouimat | I though that it was an AIDS mutation |
| 17:00:39 | kolla | hash: just wait some more :) |
| 17:00:54 | hash | kolla: for real? |
| 17:00:56 | kergoth | hash: how should i know? whats on your screen? |
| 17:00:59 | kergoth | is not a mind reader |
| 17:01:06 | kolla | kergoth: not? :) |
| 17:01:07 | hash | the last thing on the screen is |
| 17:01:11 | kolla | shocking.. |
| 17:01:22 | hash | Configuring network interfaces: Can't open /dev/null |
| 17:01:24 | hash | done. |
| 17:01:31 | hash | and a blinking cursor |
| 17:01:58 | hash | it says lots of trying to do something in /dev, no such file or directory found |
| 17:02:02 | kolla | not mounted /dev? :) |
| 17:02:17 | kergoth | hash: 'Cannot create: /dev/*' |
| 17:02:19 | kergoth | hash: eh? |
| 17:02:35 | hash | mount: Mounting ramfs on /dev/ failed: No such file or direcotry |
| 17:02:48 | kolla | mkdir /dev :) |
| 17:02:56 | benmeyer | mkdir / |
| 17:02:56 | hash | i cant run antyhing |
| 17:02:58 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:03:11 | kergoth | um |
| 17:03:14 | kergoth | you dont have a /dev? |
| 17:03:25 | hash | that's what it looks like |
| 17:03:42 | kergoth | < |
| 17:03:46 | kergoth | /usr/src/coding/projects/userspace/opie$ ipkgfiles ../buildroot/output/ipks/oz-base_unstable-14q_arm.ipk |grep dev/$ |
| 17:03:51 | kergoth | drwxr-sr-x root/root 0 2002-10-19 18:11:49 ./dev/ |
| 17:04:07 | hash | that's what i just installed |
| 17:04:12 | kolla | unstable??! *gasp* |
| 17:04:48 | | I haven't seen 'prpplauge', sjohnson |
| 17:04:48 | sjohnson | ibot: seen prpplauge |
| 17:04:49 | hash | so, how can i create a /dev/? |
| 17:04:56 | | I haven't seen 'prpplage', sjohnson |
| 17:04:56 | sjohnson | ibot: seen prpplage |
| 17:05:14 | hash | am i just fucked and need to reflash? |
| 17:05:15 | kolla | I made a tarfile with all the jeode stuff |
| 17:05:18 | | prpplague was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 hours, 43 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: andersee: hourly, i learned my lesson about being salary in the IT profession a long time ago [Fri Nov 1 07:21:49 2002] |
| 17:05:18 | kergoth | ibot: seen prpplague |
| 17:05:22 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:05:29 | kolla | guess I could hack a ipk of it |
| 17:05:36 | kergoth | hash: can you ssh in/ |
| 17:05:46 | hash | let me try |
| 17:06:00 | kolla | kinda tought without network, huh? :) |
| 17:06:19 | hash | ssh: connect to address 10.0.0.4 port 22: No route to host |
| 17:06:49 | kergoth | usb? wlan? what? |
| 17:06:52 | hash | usb |
| 17:07:05 | kergoth | well, usb has less dependencies than wlan, if it doesnt come up you're hosed |
| 17:07:18 | hash | damn it |
| 17:07:28 | hash | i had stuff on rom that i didnt want to loose |
| 17:07:29 | treke | shit. I think I hosed my cf card and nic |
| 17:07:39 | Twiun | kergoth: lol, I love your optimistic streak |
| 17:07:48 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:08:01 | hash | anyway i might be able to salvage the stuff on it? |
| 17:08:02 | Piete | treke how? |
| 17:08:14 | treke | Piete: not sure. |
| 17:08:38 | kolla | hash: what.. you keep stuff you want to keep near a computer? :) |
| 17:08:44 | treke | All I know is they both register as anonymous memory cards now, while an old 8meg cf I have works fine |
| 17:09:46 | hash | ah shit... my fault anyway... didnt back it up |
| 17:10:18 | hash | wants to through his notebook out the window |
| 17:10:26 | kolla | I just use my computers for irc, music and porn anyways... so what if a drive goes bananas.. :) |
| 17:11:08 | hash | i was keeping track of my work schedual |
| 17:11:15 | hash | 1 weeks logs lost |
| 17:11:29 | kolla | oh no.. cannot work then :) |
| 17:12:04 | hash | so where is 3.0? |
| 17:12:08 | hash | the image and stuff? |
| 17:12:22 | kergoth | um |
| 17:12:24 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 17:12:26 | kergoth | click download |
| 17:12:28 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:12:40 | hash | T_T |
| 17:12:51 | kergoth | i dunno what happened on your upgrade, sorry to hear it hosed your data |
| 17:12:59 | kergoth | i'll do further testing on the upgrades from 2.9.5.5 in a couple days |
| 17:14:23 | hash | dont i need a boottext.something? |
| 17:14:32 | hash | bootflag.txt |
| 17:14:32 | kergoth | nah, not required |
| 17:14:37 | hash | ? |
| 17:14:38 | hash | ok |
| 17:16:00 | numatrix | hash: btw; a friend installed that mooview application and said that it didn't install an icon; is that a known bug? |
| 17:16:10 | hash | um, not for me |
| 17:16:18 | hash | i (used to) see an icon |
| 17:16:37 | noda | kergoth: Upgrades from 2.9.5.5 are supposed to work? |
| 17:17:35 | kergoth | noda: yep. onyx4 had done it during the prerelease cycle |
| 17:17:58 | kolla | hm..scary |
| 17:18:08 | noda | kergoth: I did it too. I had to do lots of stuff with /dev to make it work. Not for the faint of heart and it took much longer than backing up, flashing and restoring. |
| 17:18:12 | kolla | oh.. symlinks, ok |
| 17:18:17 | benmeyer | http://www.google.com/googledance2002/images/__z8.jpg |
| 17:18:21 | benmeyer | yah.... |
| 17:18:31 | benmeyer | nothing like 95% of your tech company now being marketing... |
| 17:18:35 | kolla | thought for a second there were bunchloads of files with chmoded 777 |
| 17:18:40 | hash | now there is really no way to salvage that data |
| 17:18:45 | hash | and my damn address book too |
| 17:19:03 | kergoth | noda: hm, it should have been smooth. |
| 17:19:16 | kergoth | noda: onyx4 and i worked everything .. spent hours .. to ensure it would be a smooth transition |
| 17:19:21 | kergoth | noda: guess we'll have to spend more time on it |
| 17:19:27 | kolla | kergoth: what's that pic? |
| 17:19:34 | noda | kergoth: I remember you saying to me that it COULDN'T be smooth because of /dev... well, you guys must have done that after my experience then :) |
| 17:20:17 | treke | oh sweet. an image editor for the zaurus |
| 17:20:31 | kergoth | noda: we changed the way the dev stuff works |
| 17:20:37 | kergoth | noda: to make it not require a reflash |
| 17:22:39 | numatrix | benmeyer: you noticed handtest doesn't run fullscreen/centered? |
| 17:22:43 | tux_mike | man, i wish i could get lipton raspberry iced tea in bulk |
| 17:22:51 | benmeyer | numatrix: don't know |
| 17:23:28 | numatrix | benmeyer: yup; makes me wonder if all screenshots were desktop fb shots. |
| 17:23:38 | numatrix | benmeyer: Or maybe it's something with OZ vs. Sharp. Dunno. |
| 17:23:46 | benmeyer | hmm, don't know either |
| 17:29:50 | kergoth | geh, that hancom word issue is weird |
| 17:34:54 | Piete | has gtg, nite all! |
| 17:35:36 | mark | Cloudchaser: you on OZ? |
| 17:36:27 | Bruton | mark that repton didnt work |
| 17:36:44 | mark | Bruton: whats the prob? |
| 17:36:50 | Bruton | didnt install |
| 17:37:03 | mark | retail rom or OZ? |
| 17:37:26 | Bruton | repton_0.85_arm.ipk |
| 17:37:46 | mark | Bruton: yeh, are you running openzaurus on your Z? |
| 17:37:52 | mark | or the ROM it came with from sharp |
| 17:37:53 | Bruton | no |
| 17:37:56 | Bruton | sharp |
| 17:37:59 | mark | okay |
| 17:38:05 | mark | i'll test it with that one |
| 17:38:20 | mark | hmm, i erally should get another Z, i hate having to flash between retail and OZ to test |
| 17:38:32 | Bruton | i thought it would have hit a bigger market by using the retail version |
| 17:38:44 | mark | Bruton: it should work on both |
| 17:38:51 | Bruton | My Z is at work now though |
| 17:39:06 | mark | Bruton: okay, well i'll put the retail rom back on mine and seen if i have any pros |
| 17:39:22 | Bruton | i tried it on both the 5000 and the 5500 |
| 17:40:05 | Bruton | brb food |
| 17:40:48 | mark | Bruton: okay, thanks, i'll check it out |
| 17:41:44 | Cloudchaser | mark: i'm on sharp rom |
| 17:43:33 | JasonNJ | yo tim. |
| 17:44:36 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 17:45:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: oz 3.0 response seems pretty positive overall, 99% of the issues are people not reading our install guide, and the only oustanding bugs that arent opie specific are already documented in the faq system with workarounds |
| 17:45:35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: did you play with it much? |
| 17:47:48 | JasonNJ | yeah I have it installed on my 55 |
| 17:47:54 | JasonNJ | using it exclusively |
| 17:48:11 | JasonNJ | on my personal unit |
| 17:48:57 | kergoth | looks like jamey is actually working on ipkg |
| 17:49:02 | kergoth | hopefully those bugs get fixed |
| 17:49:16 | numatrix | The main problem for the 'average user' is the dns issue with network setup, in my opinion. Some quick-fix ipks might be nice. |
| 17:49:38 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I still have probs with the usb config |
| 17:49:46 | JasonNJ | I think ben sent you a fix? |
| 17:51:02 | kergoth | numatrix: agreed, the dns deal is confusing people |
| 17:51:12 | kergoth | JasonNJ: usb config? i havent heard any reports of problems other than the dns servers |
| 17:51:39 | _ibz|work | boo! |
| 17:51:51 | ||ugh | JasonNJ, just FYI yesterday I went down to CompUSA to get some more Z stuff (batteries) and they had pulled ALL their Z's and products. All gone. Annoying that. |
| 17:52:07 | benmeyer | kergoth: yah can you release a new network setup |
| 17:52:07 | JasonNJ | kergoth: yeah its the dns script |
| 17:52:09 | benmeyer | with the fixes |
| 17:52:16 | JasonNJ | but the end result is it screws up the usb sync |
| 17:52:26 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah, i'm about to update our opie build |
| 17:52:36 | kergoth | benmeyer: andy fixed some aqpkg things too |
| 17:52:44 | kergoth | benmeyer: and sandman fixed the laucnher settings crash |
| 17:52:46 | kergoth | so good things |
| 17:52:54 | kergoth | ill get it built today sometime |
| 17:53:05 | JasonNJ | kergoth: launcher doesnt recognize freetype |
| 17:53:13 | JasonNJ | at least in the 3.0 build |
| 17:53:31 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:53:33 | kergoth | do the apps? |
| 17:53:37 | JasonNJ | no |
| 17:53:47 | JasonNJ | not that I could tell |
| 17:53:53 | kergoth | worked flawlessly for me |
| 17:53:59 | hardwire | futz on a stick |
| 17:54:01 | kergoth | i used the fonts in textedit no problem |
| 17:54:01 | JasonNJ | opie-apppearance and opie-launcher settings app doesnt see it |
| 17:54:08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: try an -app- |
| 17:54:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not a global change |
| 17:56:03 | _ibz|work | what's going on? i've been on holiday a week, and it seems a lot has happened... |
| 17:56:17 | _ibz|work | anyone got the time to brief me or do i have to read up on the logs? |
| 17:56:29 | JasonNJ | ibz: OpenZaurus 3.0 released |
| 17:56:33 | _ibz|work | yah |
| 17:57:03 | _ibz|work | but aren't you and benmeyer sharp employees? what's with the Oz3? |
| 17:57:17 | | well, benmeyer is the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 17:57:17 | benmeyer | ibot benmeyer |
| 17:57:46 | nagROM | i'm a sharp employee. i wash the windows of the cars coming out of the parking lot. |
| 17:57:51 | Twiun | _ibz|work: how's work? |
| 17:58:05 | _ibz|work | Twiun: things are getting nasty... |
| 17:58:09 | nagROM | so technically. i'm not a sharp employee |
| 17:58:11 | Twiun | nagROM: like Jason and ben? I thought it only took one guy to do that? |
| 17:58:13 | Twiun | grins |
| 17:58:21 | nagROM | just me. |
| 17:58:35 | Twiun | _ibz|work: ouch... more of them there redundancy things? |
| 17:58:50 | scanline | is back (gone 13:17:54) |
| 17:58:53 | _ibz|work | Twiun: press release says 18%... |
| 17:58:55 | nagROM | i would like to move up to offical "sharp" window washer. |
| 17:59:01 | _ibz|work | of the workforce... |
| 17:59:02 | nagROM | i'm guessing it would involve a pay raise. |
| 17:59:07 | Twiun | urgh |
| 17:59:20 | _ibz|work | at least the develops in the states get to know by today... |
| 17:59:29 | nagROM | ok. fuck this. time to go flash oz.... again. |
| 17:59:43 | Twiun | _ibz|work: yeah, the uk offices have all that red tape to go through... and announce it on the PA |
| 18:00:00 | nagROM | where is sharp hq in the us? |
| 18:00:05 | _ibz|work | here in the uk, so much process...law...bollocks and stuff... |
| 18:00:44 | _ibz|work | we get told 30 days from now...but there are no voluntary redundancy packages unfortunately. |
| 18:00:55 | Twiun | _ibz|work: yeah - and statutory redundancy is about £250... after all that hassle |
| 18:01:09 | _ibz|work | sheesh...that's crap. |
| 18:01:30 | Twiun | _ibz|work: any way to do what I did and 'suggest' you'd rather stay/go? |
| 18:01:34 | _ibz|work | but from what i've heard, they were a lot more generous a few months back... |
| 18:01:52 | Twiun | definately... I did say statutory... they're usually nicer than that |
| 18:02:07 | Twiun | but they tend to underestimate the amount of paid holiday they owe you |
| 18:02:10 | JasonNJ | nag: Mahwah NJ |
| 18:02:18 | _ibz|work | well, to be honest, i want a break... |
| 18:02:23 | JasonNJ | you planning to blow us up? lol |
| 18:02:33 | _ibz|work | wonders if he should have whispered that... |
| 18:02:38 | Twiun | _ibz|work: lol |
| 18:02:42 | ioerror | Hello! |
| 18:02:57 | ioerror | How i'can boot in console mode? |
| 18:03:05 | Twiun | _ibz|work: make sure you've got alternative stuff ready for you before you say that too loud... the market is a biatch atm |
| 18:03:09 | ioerror | or how i'can remove qpe? |
| 18:03:31 | _ibz|work | Twiun: i know...do you know a guy called bayo? sales? |
| 18:04:09 | Twiun | _ibz|work: Yup ;-) |
| 18:04:34 | Twiun | _ibz|work: is he jumping? |
| 18:04:35 | _ibz|work | had lunch with him yesterday... |
| 18:04:57 | kergoth | ioerror: assuming sharp rom, qpe is in falsh and cannot be removed. you can hit a key during the boot process to get to a boot menu from which you can select console |
| 18:05:00 | _ibz|work | Twiun: turns out that a lot of this "process" we are going through comes form riversoft... |
| 18:05:09 | _ibz|work | wooops...to late. |
| 18:05:37 | Twiun | _ibz|work: lol, no worries, I never made it a secret that who I used to work for ;-) |
| 18:06:21 | Twiun | anyway, yeah, the process stuff is pure riversoft... apparently we were getting good at it |
| 18:06:51 | ioerror | kergoth: wich key?! |
| 18:07:01 | _ibz|work | marc wilkinson? no him? he kinda scary man... |
| 18:07:11 | _ibz|work | s/no/know/ |
| 18:07:17 | kergoth | ioerror: either / or \, i can never remember which |
| 18:07:31 | Twiun | lol, yeah, spoke to him occasionally |
| 18:07:37 | _ibz|work | ioerror: / |
| 18:07:38 | ioerror | kergoth: thx! |
| 18:07:39 | Twiun | used to be CTO ;-) |
| 18:07:55 | Twiun | before the Tee pushed him aside |
| 18:08:11 | _ibz|work | the tee is kinda floating/coasting right now... |
| 18:08:27 | _ibz|work | no one knows what he does... |
| 18:08:31 | Twiun | _ibz|work: Yeah, how is christine btw? |
| 18:08:33 | Twiun | grins |
| 18:08:39 | Twiun | loves spreading malicious gossip |
| 18:08:45 | _ibz|work | christine? |
| 18:08:47 | Twiun | loves spreading malicious gossip |
| 18:09:03 | _ibz|work | tell me tell me more!! |
| 18:09:25 | _ibz|work | high blood pressure increases....increases... |
| 18:09:30 | benmeyer | me hates writing monthly reports, take so much time and energy |
| 18:09:33 | Twiun | lol... surely you know about the riversoft reputation in the local pubs? |
| 18:09:47 | Twiun | _ibz|work: use your imagination |
| 18:09:53 | _ibz|work | lol |
| 18:10:11 | Twiun | last I heard they'd moved in together |
| 18:10:18 | kergoth | benmeyer: dont forget the cover letter on your tps reports |
| 18:10:24 | Twiun | but obviously I can't possibly comment |
| 18:10:25 | benmeyer | haha |
| 18:10:27 | _ibz|work | the plot thickens... |
| 18:10:31 | benmeyer | what a great movie |
| 18:10:39 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:10:45 | benmeyer | needs to buy a red stapler |
| 18:11:01 | benmeyer | swingline was it? |
| 18:11:20 | _ibz|work | so hold on...back to my question...how comes benmeyer/jasonnj are sporting openzaurus? |
| 18:11:45 | benmeyer | http://www.swingline.com/b2c/ourproducts/ProductDetailStaples.jsp?coreProductID=7608&hierID=5501&rootHierID=14 |
| 18:11:52 | benmeyer | sweet! |
| 18:12:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:12:10 | kergoth | hey ogmo |
| 18:12:16 | benmeyer | _ibz|work: because open zaurus makes applciations, most of which work on the Zaurus, thus Open Zaurus is good for the Zaurus |
| 18:13:15 | _ibz|work | benmeyer: cool. but if your on the development side of sharp...doesn't that mean there is no more development on sharp? |
| 18:13:22 | JasonNJ | part of our job, or rather, a big part of our job is to interact with the Open Source community |
| 18:13:23 | kergoth | not to mention when sharp stops comign out with updates OZ will still be moving forward |
| 18:13:26 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:13:31 | _ibz|work | last i heard, there was gonna be another rom... |
| 18:13:51 | benmeyer | _ibz|work: no, we are developer support, not development. Development is all done by Sharp Japan and Lineo and TrollTech |
| 18:14:01 | benmeyer | we support developers who make apps for thre Zaurus |
| 18:14:06 | kergoth | _ibz|work: yes, one more most likely.. but who knows after that? |
| 18:14:06 | benmeyer | Open Zaurus does just that |
| 18:14:29 | JasonNJ | of course we are talking about 5500 rom releases |
| 18:14:34 | JasonNJ | not roms for other zauruses to come |
| 18:14:48 | _ibz|work | so in the long run, we all gonna go oz! |
| 18:15:12 | JasonNJ | ibz: its a good solution for supporting older zaurus hardware, yes |
| 18:15:19 | Twiun | _ibz|work: it certainly looks very nice with the liquid theme |
| 18:15:24 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 18:15:33 | kergoth | and we all know, it looking pretty is the most important thing |
| 18:15:34 | _ibz|work | i saw that on slashdot...nice. |
| 18:15:35 | kergoth | ;) |
| 18:16:01 | JasonNJ | I'm surprised slashdot hasnt announced openzaurus 3.0 yet |
| 18:16:09 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it didnt make the frontpage |
| 18:16:13 | _ibz|work | it has.. |
| 18:16:14 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its on the developers page |
| 18:16:19 | JasonNJ | it is? |
| 18:16:20 | kergoth | JasonNJ: numatrix submitted it |
| 18:16:21 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:16:32 | benmeyer | submitted what? |
| 18:16:38 | benmeyer | oh the release |
| 18:16:42 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:16:46 | JasonNJ | what developers page |
| 18:16:56 | benmeyer | developers.slashdot.org |
| 18:16:56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: http://slashdot.org/developers/ |
| 18:17:07 | JasonNJ | ah, I never check anything but the front page |
| 18:17:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: most people dont |
| 18:17:23 | benmeyer | hehe I love how I chat to Jason through irc rather then over the cube wall |
| 18:17:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:17:39 | JasonNJ | geez only 10 commens |
| 18:17:49 | oGMo | sup kergoth |
| 18:17:55 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep, pretty silent. less exposure cause its not on the frontpage |
| 18:17:58 | oGMo | oz3 is rockin' for me ;) |
| 18:17:59 | kergoth | JasonNJ: oh well :) |
| 18:18:03 | kergoth | oGMo: great, glad to hear it |
| 18:18:08 | oGMo | ...that uh, rhymed |
| 18:18:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:19:22 | benmeyer | eats for lunch the candy that the kids didn't get last night. :-) |
| 18:23:32 | oGMo | why is the load average like 4 |
| 18:23:40 | oGMo | and not .04 ;) |
| 18:27:59 | kergoth | oGMo: the kapm-idled kernel thread |
| 18:28:02 | kergoth | oGMo: check top |
| 18:30:29 | oGMo | kergoth: ah hrm |
| 18:33:43 | _ibz|work | waves goodbye |
| 18:34:50 | nasa | says Hello |
| 18:34:52 | benmeyer | BYE! |
| 18:34:56 | benmeyer | damm already left |
| 18:34:57 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:35:00 | hardwire | BYE |
| 18:35:16 | nasa | still looking for wwwoffle expert.... |
| 18:35:17 | chouimat | wooooooooooooooooooohhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! the vpn works |
| 18:35:30 | benmeyer | glad to hear |
| 18:35:57 | chouimat | benmeyer: two weeks of debugging :( |
| 18:37:46 | Twiun | applauds chouimat's efforts! |
| 18:38:26 | greenbus | Does anyone connect to the net via IRDA using a Nokia mobile phone? |
| 18:38:49 | chouimat | Twiun: thanks. fucking customers (hey the vpn don't work or the vpn crash. and they can't give me more info ) |
| 18:39:11 | benmeyer | offtopic: cute: http://www.weddingprints.com/mainnew/NewFormWindow.cfm?wid=1598&CFID=199603&CFTOKEN=98609497&image=r03f063.jpg&wpath=0142948&mysize=b |
| 18:39:31 | scanline | is back (gone 00:24:07) |
| 18:39:50 | Twiun | benmeyer: you? |
| 18:40:08 | benmeyer | no |
| 18:40:12 | benmeyer | random |
| 18:40:14 | benmeyer | person |
| 18:40:45 | hardwire | 8 |
| 18:40:49 | hardwire | oops |
| 18:41:01 | kergoth | 9 |
| 18:41:33 | Twiun | btw, to everyone who uses a hotmail account... I heartily recommend getwmail for mail pickup |
| 18:42:49 | hardwire | 10 |
| 18:46:22 | tux_mike | gah. i need to find out if this is linux compatable http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P2 |
| 18:47:25 | coup | tux: i'd say probably yes from looking at the specs |
| 18:47:27 | hardwire | uhm |
| 18:47:29 | hardwire | yeah |
| 18:47:29 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:47:42 | hardwire | name something released nowadays not linux compatable |
| 18:48:00 | tux_mike | coup: 2 things i'm worried about. Wifi and sound |
| 18:48:11 | hardwire | http://hw.tadpole.com/html/products/mobile/sparcbook6500/ |
| 18:48:18 | coup | tux: 56k modem will be a winmodem, likely usable with winmodem drivers, 802.11b will likely have a prism or socket24 shipset, so, thats sorted |
| 18:48:36 | benmeyer | hardwire: windowsXp |
| 18:48:38 | tux_mike | coup: wifi could be USB based |
| 18:48:44 | hardwire | benmeyer: hardware wise |
| 18:48:47 | tux_mike | and i don't know aobut the sound |
| 18:49:05 | hardwire | wifi is most likely orinoco based |
| 18:49:08 | coup | tux: i could check for you on monday, i have the number of our companies fujitsu salesman |
| 18:49:18 | benmeyer | hmm.... .... ... the ibizcorp CF digital radio |
| 18:49:26 | benmeyer | but we are working on a driver |
| 18:49:46 | coup | ooo CF digital radio would be nice :) |
| 18:50:00 | benmeyer | kergoth and I are each getting one |
| 18:50:07 | tux_mike | coup: could you? knowing this would allow me to get this instead of the Toshiba libretto (more expensive, slower, but more ram) |
| 18:50:08 | benmeyer | he will write the kernel driver, I will write the ui |
| 18:50:11 | benmeyer | $40 |
| 18:50:14 | coup | sweet, got a URL |
| 18:50:15 | coup | ? |
| 18:50:34 | coup | is sposed to be leaving the house, but gets easily distracted :) |
| 18:50:49 | benmeyer | http://www.ibizcorp.com/pocketradio.html |
| 18:50:50 | tux_mike | coup: url for the libretto? or what ben is talking about? |
| 18:51:18 | benmeyer | Low power consumption with automatic power management |
| 18:51:20 | benmeyer | nice |
| 18:51:55 | coup | tux: what ben is talking about. i'll try and get hold of the chap on monday for you, let you know in here monday eve GMT |
| 18:52:07 | tux_mike | cool :) |
| 18:52:30 | tux_mike | the other thing with this is, i don't have to buy a japanese unit :) |
| 18:52:31 | coup | ben: aye, so it'll just be the Z which kills the batts all on its own then :) |
| 18:52:37 | kergoth | nifty, almost done with dependency generation in the opie buildsystem.. all with pure shell, no perl |
| 18:52:47 | kergoth | i should use this for the oz buildroot as well |
| 18:52:59 | coup | benmeyer: make the UI look better than the one on that ipaq! UGH! |
| 18:53:01 | benmeyer | coup: well you have the app that turns off the screen now |
| 18:53:09 | benmeyer | so the battery life should last a good deal long |
| 18:53:24 | coup | benmeyer: yup, blindapplet, dont leave home without it :) |
| 18:53:24 | benmeyer | coup: Do I ever make apps with bad ui? |
| 18:53:32 | coup | benmeyer: no idea ;) |
| 18:53:43 | benmeyer | no |
| 18:53:46 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:53:47 | coup | benmeyer; for all i know it could be a sick perversion of yours, your hadd could be littered with them!! |
| 18:54:07 | benmeyer | tabmanager, processmanager, serveramanager, network setup, kinkatta lite |
| 18:54:10 | coup | worries about benmeyer & his HDD |
| 18:54:16 | benmeyer | backup and restore, etc |
| 18:54:21 | benmeyer | benmeyer(tm) |
| 18:54:22 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:54:40 | coup | let you off then i spose :P |
| 18:55:24 | coup | benmeyer: need an app that recorgs to ogg :) |
| 18:55:56 | oGMo | on the Z? ;) |
| 18:56:09 | coup | yup |
| 18:56:10 | oGMo | doubts the Z has the power for realtime ogg |
| 18:56:11 | BigBoss | tkcoggripper |
| 18:56:18 | BigBoss | you can't rip in real time on the Z |
| 18:56:27 | benmeyer | well actually I did write an app that uses lame to encode waves |
| 18:56:31 | oGMo | ya didn't figure you could |
| 18:56:45 | benmeyer | but it takes about lenghtofwav*9 to encode it |
| 18:56:51 | oGMo | BigBoss: is that integer-based? |
| 18:57:06 | BigBoss | what? |
| 18:57:07 | oGMo | i didn't know an integer encoder was in the works |
| 18:57:13 | oGMo | BigBoss: tkcoggripper |
| 18:57:15 | BigBoss | no, oggripper is desktop |
| 18:57:19 | BigBoss | multiplatform |
| 18:57:20 | oGMo | er... oh, heh |
| 18:57:27 | benmeyer | KAudioCreator :-D |
| 18:57:32 | oGMo | oggenc :P |
| 18:57:44 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs/kaudiocreator/ |
| 18:57:51 | oGMo | uses that just because it's easier to use than lame ;) |
| 18:57:52 | benmeyer | in KDE 3.1 |
| 18:57:54 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:58:04 | oGMo | benmeyer: heh cool |
| 18:58:08 | benmeyer | I wrote it |
| 18:58:27 | coup | look out for the interface then ;) |
| 18:58:43 | coup | ducks |
| 18:59:04 | benmeyer | actually the version on the webpage is a little old |
| 18:59:06 | oGMo | coup, looks pretty good to me |
| 18:59:07 | benmeyer | it is for kded2 |
| 18:59:13 | oGMo | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs/kaudiocreator/screenshots.html |
| 18:59:17 | XavierXeon | doesnt the kde audioslave + konqueror allow you to rip wav/mp3/ogg from a CD ? |
| 18:59:23 | coup | oGMo: sarcasm my boy, it's a wonderful tool :P |
| 18:59:23 | benmeyer | the one in cvs that comes with kde3.1 is for kde 3.1 and is improved |
| 18:59:33 | oGMo | coup: heh |
| 18:59:44 | benmeyer | XavierXeon: yes it does inface I use the kaudioslave in my app |
| 18:59:52 | oGMo | ooh NICE |
| 18:59:56 | benmeyer | it is just a nice frontend with scripting, job managment etc |
| 18:59:59 | coup | right, i really need to get going, chat 2 u all later :) |
| 19:00:02 | oGMo | benmeyer: this does multiprocessing? |
| 19:00:06 | benmeyer | yup |
| 19:00:11 | benmeyer | spawns threads |
| 19:00:16 | benmeyer | for each rip/encode |
| 19:00:23 | oGMo | NICE |
| 19:00:38 | benmeyer | allows you to customize where they go, what id tags they have etc |
| 19:00:40 | oGMo | i usually do that manually... i think i'm gonna have to get this ;) |
| 19:00:43 | benmeyer | and you can use any encoder you want |
| 19:01:05 | oGMo | yeah i see... that's excellent |
| 19:01:10 | BigBoss | i could never get konqueror to rip for me |
| 19:01:57 | benmeyer | The funny thing was I guess no one else ever tried to rip a entire album in wav format sense the audio slave before 3.0 never could rip track 11 |
| 19:02:02 | Cloudchaser | that pocket radio looks nifty |
| 19:02:22 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: where? |
| 19:02:36 | benmeyer | www.ibizcorp.com |
| 19:02:49 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer: you will be making driver for it? |
| 19:03:17 | benmeyer | gui |
| 19:03:19 | oGMo | heh cool |
| 19:03:20 | benmeyer | kergoth is writing the driver |
| 19:03:28 | Cloudchaser | ;) thats awesome :) |
| 19:03:30 | benmeyer | course it will then work in your laptop etc |
| 19:03:40 | Cloudchaser | great! |
| 19:03:52 | benmeyer | any pcmcia linux machine |
| 19:03:56 | oGMo | benmeyer: you have any recommended GPS for the Z? |
| 19:04:01 | benmeyer | that is the cool thing about linux. Drivers work everywhere |
| 19:04:06 | benmeyer | nope done |
| 19:04:08 | benmeyer | don't |
| 19:04:13 | oGMo | i'ev only seen vague maybes |
| 19:04:15 | oGMo | hrm k |
| 19:04:19 | Cloudchaser | maps would be awesome |
| 19:04:36 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: i hear you can get detailed maps of the entire US suitable for use for like $90 |
| 19:04:44 | Cloudchaser | for the z? |
| 19:04:51 | Cloudchaser | where? |
| 19:04:56 | oGMo | well, not specifically for the Z |
| 19:05:13 | benmeyer | hahah how silly. www.funnj.com |
| 19:05:24 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: i'll ask, there was someplace selling packages of them... you can always make your own from this one site |
| 19:05:29 | Cloudchaser | mapopolis.com has a nice app with maps and it will generate driving directions |
| 19:05:39 | Cloudchaser | without being connected to internet |
| 19:05:42 | oGMo | i use mapquest but that doesn't do lat/lon |
| 19:05:43 | Cloudchaser | works with gps too |
| 19:05:49 | oGMo | cool |
| 19:05:51 | Cloudchaser | mapquest isn't so great |
| 19:05:59 | Cloudchaser | 2 cities here it has old info for |
| 19:06:00 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: howso? |
| 19:06:03 | oGMo | ahh |
| 19:06:07 | Cloudchaser | gets me lost ;) |
| 19:06:26 | Cloudchaser | least with a map i could still find things |
| 19:06:34 | Cloudchaser | even if directions were wrong |
| 19:06:38 | oGMo | hehe... it did that to me once, but i gave it a wrong address |
| 19:06:54 | Cloudchaser | well these 2 cities have moved the exits off the highway |
| 19:07:09 | oGMo | i want a nice arrow and stuff to show where i'm going and where i am |
| 19:07:10 | Cloudchaser | and once you're there, and the directions are wrong, you're screwed |
| 19:07:28 | oGMo | i want to be able to drop markers, too... like whree i parked the car ;) |
| 19:07:33 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 19:07:43 | Cloudchaser | good idea |
| 19:07:50 | kergoth | thatd be sweet |
| 19:07:51 | Cloudchaser | nothin worse than losing your car |
| 19:08:08 | oGMo | hehe... i figure with that you can find your way anyplace |
| 19:08:11 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: especially if you were drunk that night, trying to find it the next morning -sucks- |
| 19:08:16 | Cloudchaser | lol yeppers |
| 19:08:18 | oGMo | kergoth: hehe |
| 19:08:28 | Cloudchaser | one time i left my car at a bar in a small town |
| 19:08:32 | Cloudchaser | where i lived |
| 19:08:40 | Cloudchaser | i went back to get it in the morning and it was gone! |
| 19:08:47 | Cloudchaser | someone had moved it on me as a joke |
| 19:09:03 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: lol |
| 19:09:11 | oGMo | d'oh :) |
| 19:09:21 | oGMo | ok, hrm |
| 19:09:35 | Cloudchaser | but yes a gps with maps would be awesome :) |
| 19:09:42 | Cloudchaser | pocket pc has it |
| 19:10:04 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: the z has the software and drivers |
| 19:10:10 | oGMo | i just need to find the gps |
| 19:10:28 | Cloudchaser | the only ones i saw were odd looking |
| 19:10:37 | Cloudchaser | didn't look like nice maps |
| 19:10:52 | BigBoss | ah, we are almost done with tkcGPS actually |
| 19:10:57 | BigBoss | but the hardware ain't cheap |
| 19:10:59 | BigBoss | like $150 |
| 19:11:01 | Cloudchaser | really? |
| 19:11:08 | BigBoss | really |
| 19:11:09 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 19:11:13 | Cloudchaser | thats so cool!! |
| 19:11:25 | Cloudchaser | maps too? |
| 19:11:46 | nasa | is surprised at himself -- got wwwoffle working.... |
| 19:12:08 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/screenshots/00271_0.png |
| 19:12:23 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: dunno if it does everything the tkc one will but it's there |
| 19:12:34 | BigBoss | yea, there are several projects |
| 19:12:34 | oGMo | there are like 10 different apps |
| 19:12:39 | BigBoss | and a commercial one |
| 19:12:50 | BigBoss | the 'free' ones are pretty far from done |
| 19:12:57 | XavierXeon | wants a GPRS modem |
| 19:13:19 | BigBoss | pretec seems to have the best CF based GPS device that I've found so far |
| 19:13:25 | nasa | BigBoss: so I will be able to use tkcGPS to drive across country? |
| 19:13:41 | BigBoss | sure |
| 19:13:44 | oGMo | BigBoss: hmm, i think i saw that one... i'll check it out |
| 19:13:54 | BigBoss | there are several components involved |
| 19:13:55 | BigBoss | map software |
| 19:13:59 | BigBoss | trip planning software |
| 19:14:05 | BigBoss | then the gps receiver |
| 19:14:08 | oGMo | i'd like to build a nav computer for my car |
| 19:14:14 | BigBoss | and the application that interfaces the gps data to the map |
| 19:14:15 | oGMo | the Z seems like a cheap solution |
| 19:14:41 | nasa | BigBoss: Most Cool! |
| 19:14:59 | Cloudchaser | yeah thats what i want.. a complete solution :) |
| 19:15:10 | Cloudchaser | not a piece here and a piece there :) |
| 19:15:13 | BigBoss | http://www.pretec.com/index2/product/Mobile_peripherals/CompactGPS.htm |
| 19:15:21 | BigBoss | http://www.pretec.com/index2/product/Mobile_peripherals/CompactGPS_LP.htm |
| 19:15:31 | BigBoss | the 2nd one has less channels, but uses far less power |
| 19:15:56 | oGMo | BigBoss: less channels? less resolution or other data? |
| 19:16:30 | BigBoss | honestly I don't know what the implication of less channels is |
| 19:16:37 | mark | BigBoss: mind answering a licensing question for me? |
| 19:16:55 | oGMo | _8_ tracking channels? damn, i've been out of it, last time i saw GPS's they were just moving to 4 |
| 19:17:06 | sjohnson | oGMo: BigBoss: Channel is the number of siultaneous satalites it can receive. |
| 19:17:15 | mark | the EU's GPS system is gonna be cool :) |
| 19:17:26 | oGMo | sjohnson: ya they say on the site |
| 19:17:33 | Cloudchaser | EU? |
| 19:17:44 | BigBoss | here is what pretec said |
| 19:17:47 | mark | Cloudchaser: european union.. come on :P |
| 19:17:54 | BigBoss | The difference between the Pretec CompactGPS and CompactGPS-LP is the |
| 19:17:56 | BigBoss | following. |
| 19:17:56 | BigBoss | 1. The GPS has 12-channels compaired to the GPS-LP with 8 |
| 19:17:56 | BigBoss | 2. MSRP for the GPS is US$199 and GPS-LP is US$149 |
| 19:17:56 | BigBoss | 3. GPS power comsumption is at 200amps at full power, the GPS-LP power |
| 19:17:56 | BigBoss | comsumption is at 40amps at full power. |
| 19:17:57 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok |
| 19:18:13 | oGMo | more channels = higher resolution then... but 8 should be enough to go to like centimeter resolution and have decent elevation too i think |
| 19:18:20 | sjohnson | More sattelites is more accurate pos. and faster lock on. |
| 19:18:36 | BigBoss | 8 seems like a lot |
| 19:18:39 | oGMo | it does |
| 19:18:49 | oGMo | but overkill is good ;) |
| 19:19:07 | BigBoss | probably need 12 if you are in afghanastan looking for your buddies cave :) |
| 19:19:13 | oGMo | hehehe |
| 19:19:19 | sjohnson | 4 sucks. It' take forever to got a lock on |
| 19:19:33 | oGMo | sjohnson: well, this was like 5-7 years ago |
| 19:19:48 | oGMo | or more... man time flies |
| 19:20:32 | sjohnson | I've got an old G-Mate 4 channel. It take upware od 30+ seconds to get just a 3 sat. lock. |
| 19:20:45 | oGMo | suckage :) |
| 19:20:55 | BigBoss | yikes |
| 19:21:11 | mark | they all take forever if your moving in a car :( |
| 19:23:15 | sjohnson | BigBoss: Isn't as bad as it sounds. Once you have a lock it's generally rock solid. |
| 19:23:52 | BigBoss | so it's just getting the initial lock then? |
| 19:24:09 | BigBoss | i need to put transmitters on my kids and then I can track them like spiderman does :) |
| 19:24:19 | oGMo | hmm, i wish those little "blink" mini digital cameras on thinkgeek took SD or CF |
| 19:24:29 | sjohnson | BigBoss: Yes. Or if your loss the lock kike going through a tunnel |
| 19:25:18 | oGMo | BigBoss: i thought i heard something about cell phones that track kids ;) |
| 19:25:30 | oGMo | i know some have gps's |
| 19:25:58 | BigBoss | need to have something to put under the skin |
| 19:26:01 | Cloudchaser | just get one of those chips embedded |
| 19:26:03 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 19:26:04 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 19:26:07 | BigBoss | something that can deliver mild electric shocks too |
| 19:26:08 | BigBoss | :) |
| 19:26:12 | oGMo | hah |
| 19:26:17 | Cloudchaser | bzzzt.. you're late! |
| 19:26:33 | Cloudchaser | bzzzt..you're not where you said you were going! |
| 19:28:07 | BigBoss | bzzzt..shut up |
| 19:28:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 19:29:00 | Cloudchaser | that must be a feature for the teen model chip |
| 19:29:24 | Neo|Work | holy shit I'm getting a way cool box at work. :P |
| 19:29:29 | Neo|Work | Java development has its perks |
| 19:29:39 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 19:29:39 | kergoth | Neo|Work: nice |
| 19:30:22 | Twiun | Neo|Work: good one ;-) |
| 19:30:38 | Twiun | Neo|Work: make sure they put a good gig of ram in there, and no cheap shit |
| 19:30:39 | Neo|Work | Dual XP2k, 2 GB memory, 2x36 GB SCSI, Radeon 7500 gfx (I would have preferred nvidia, but...) |
| 19:30:52 | kergoth | damn |
| 19:30:52 | kergoth | nice |
| 19:30:54 | Neo|Work | actually, althon mp, not xp |
| 19:30:58 | Twiun | Aaaaaaaargh... xp2k? |
| 19:30:58 | Neo|Work | since it's dual |
| 19:31:00 | nasa | On the topic of gps -- monitoring 12 satallets seems... Well really unlikely |
| 19:31:20 | Neo|Work | the drives are 10k RPM SCA drives too |
| 19:31:24 | nasa | There are only 24 active satellites (with a couple of on-orbit backups) |
| 19:31:42 | Cloudchaser | it was a joke |
| 19:31:42 | BigBoss | so having the ability to hit 12 is not likely to even be possible? |
| 19:31:55 | nasa | No, I don't think so |
| 19:32:10 | nasa | Plus you only need 4 to get x,y,z and time |
| 19:33:04 | sjohnson | but as satellites drop delow the horizaon the channel has to find a new sat. |
| 19:33:17 | nasa | Infact, now that I think about it -- no there is no way you can monitor 12 satallites at one |
| 19:33:23 | nasa | s/once/one |
| 19:33:28 | sjohnson | If you have 8 you should be he able to keep a 4 sat. lock. |
| 19:33:30 | oGMo | so new channels can automatically pick up new ones i assume |
| 19:33:32 | oGMo | yeah |
| 19:33:47 | oGMo | nasa: not from the surface anyway ;) |
| 19:34:44 | nasa | oGMo: The only place you could see that many satallites at once would be geo snyc |
| 19:35:02 | oGMo | nasa: yeah |
| 19:35:10 | nasa | So you want to go? :} |
| 19:35:17 | oGMo | nasa: if i get a free gps! |
| 19:35:18 | oGMo | ;) |
| 19:35:19 | Neo|Work | those boxes will be fast. I should use raid0 on the disks too |
| 19:35:24 | Neo|Work | for performance |
| 19:35:43 | oGMo | $150 isn't too bad, i might get one of those soon |
| 19:35:52 | nasa | I have to agree.... |
| 19:36:30 | BigBoss | we're gonna see if we can resell those things, maybe sell them cheaper |
| 19:37:18 | oGMo | BigBoss: when's tkcgps out? |
| 19:37:19 | nasa | So what kind of timeline we looking at? |
| 19:37:22 | oGMo | or is it |
| 19:37:58 | BigBoss | oh, it could be a month yet, we are testing with lots of maps |
| 19:38:03 | oGMo | ah |
| 19:38:16 | BigBoss | we want to try and find the best combination of things to make it easy for customers |
| 19:38:32 | mark | BigBoss: nice. will it display a moving street map type thing? |
| 19:38:40 | BigBoss | it's supposed to |
| 19:38:48 | nasa | you need beta tester? |
| 19:38:55 | mark | BigBoss: cool. gonna release it for X11/KDE as well? |
| 19:38:59 | sjohnson | Cool just like pygps |
| 19:39:05 | oGMo | it should rotate the map, and bob and weave like Doom, when you walk! |
| 19:39:06 | oGMo | runs |
| 19:39:25 | BigBoss | mark: I don't see a reason to - why have a desktop version? |
| 19:39:38 | mark | BigBoss: for my laptop in my car :) |
| 19:40:04 | BigBoss | ah |
| 19:40:10 | BigBoss | well, maybe |
| 19:41:04 | mark | Cloudchaser: done level 2 yet? there is one puzzle i cant get atm :( |
| 19:41:42 | mark | BigBoss: heh, it'd be nice |
| 19:41:55 | oGMo | i detect a game |
| 19:42:02 | Cloudchaser | mark not yet |
| 19:42:02 | Cloudchaser | doing some work here |
| 19:42:02 | oGMo | mark: whatcha playing? |
| 19:42:17 | mark | Cloudchaser: i've spent more time playing this than programming it :) |
| 19:42:42 | Cloudchaser | hehe its very nice |
| 19:42:54 | mark | oGMo: repton |
| 19:42:59 | oGMo | mark: ah |
| 19:43:44 | oGMo | i have an idea for a Z game, but i have to look at Qt graphics stuff again |
| 19:44:41 | s2n | there were some rumors last week of a new zaurus to be released today...any truth? |
| 19:45:05 | mark | s2n: not yet :) |
| 19:46:05 | s2n | just some talk about an xscale 400 mhz version. I was just hoping to catch a price drop on the strongarm |
| 19:46:25 | BigBoss | the new zaurus is a ways off still |
| 19:49:26 | sjohnson | s2n: There new Z is only a protype they've been showing. |
| 19:49:42 | sjohnson | ...prototype... |
| 19:56:20 | s2n | I guessed as much |
| 19:56:26 | s2n | wishful thinking on my part |
| 19:56:39 | s2n | time to pony up and get the 5500 |
| 19:57:03 | s2n | any good reliable online sites that others have had luck with? |
| 19:58:55 | BigBoss | go to ebay and get a used one cheap |
| 19:58:59 | BigBoss | amazon has 5500's |
| 20:00:52 | s2n | yeah, I just checked them out, $360 |
| 20:00:56 | s2n | not bad |
| 20:00:59 | s2n | thanks |
| 20:09:33 | Neo|Work | now THIS is some godly box: http://arstechnica.com/guide/system/godbox.html |
| 20:11:38 | Neo|Work | Total Price: $16,557.57 + S&H (10/28/2002), w/o OS |
| 20:11:46 | Neo|Work | damn man |
| 20:11:50 | kergoth | ack |
| 20:17:01 | numatrix | sorry; should have left other channels besides the one where that made sense... |
| 20:17:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:19:43 | BigBoss | oh this is too funny |
| 20:19:59 | BigBoss | HP is running a press release about their new redesigned web site and how there is linux stuff in it |
| 20:20:06 | BigBoss | they don't put the URL in the press release |
| 20:20:17 | BigBoss | now of course the url should be obvious, but leaving it off is just stupid |
| 20:23:46 | ossidian | hello all . |
| 20:25:03 | ossidian | Can anyone answer this question .... I have a 256mb viking cf card. I was able to flash the ram using it but the zaurus is unable to read any files that i add to it. |
| 20:25:26 | ossidian | I formatted it as fat16 using /sbin/fdisk and it didn't work |
| 20:25:45 | ossidian | I formatted it as ext2 and it still didn't work |
| 20:25:54 | ossidian | anyone got any ideas ? |
| 20:26:42 | sjohnson | ossidian: It's probably not going to work. |
| 20:26:54 | ossidian | aw shit, how come ? |
| 20:27:11 | bisho | Hi |
| 20:27:22 | ossidian | whassup :) |
| 20:27:38 | bisho | Anybody know how to get working vnc on OpenZaurus? |
| 20:27:55 | bisho | The /etc/init.d/fbvncinput |
| 20:27:59 | sjohnson | ossidian: The Z had problems with some CF cards. Do you have the laster romiage loaded? |
| 20:28:09 | bisho | does not work very well... |
| 20:28:28 | ossidian | yes ... and this is the wierd thing ... I flashed it using that cf card ! |
| 20:28:34 | bisho | It do not create /dev/tssim and /dev/kbdsim |
| 20:29:14 | bisho | I have created them by hand |
| 20:29:35 | sjohnson | ossidian: Different set of drivers. |
| 20:29:42 | ossidian | It's a real bitch, cause i don't actually have any windows machines and im running redhat 8 |
| 20:30:08 | bisho | but it still block the pad, and only catches some events |
| 20:30:23 | ossidian | yes that's true, the hardware is what does the flashing ? |
| 20:30:53 | bisho | ossidian: whats the problem? |
| 20:31:06 | kergoth | bisho: known behavior, its a result of our changing /dev aroudn, and the bugs are open in the bug tracking system. expect a fix soon |
| 20:31:08 | bisho | ossidian: I flash OpenZaurus with an CF 256 Mb |
| 20:31:10 | sjohnson | ossidian: Same hardware. It's the bootldr that read the CF card. The kernel uses anohther driver |
| 20:31:42 | bisho | kergoth: thanks. There are some workarroung in the bugzilla? |
| 20:31:48 | ossidian | yep i flash it fine with the 256 card but cannot read files from the 256 card |
| 20:32:11 | kergoth | bisho: not certain. regardless #openzaurus would be the place to discuss this |
| 20:32:29 | bisho | ossidian: I notice very low speed when reading fro that CF |
| 20:32:56 | bisho | but I can't test it very well because it was not my CF card... |
| 20:33:19 | ossidian | bisho my card is a viking 256, u think it will work with openzaurus ? |
| 20:33:58 | bisho | Mine was a SanDisk |
| 20:34:18 | bisho | You could try with binary module from sharps official rom image? |
| 20:35:01 | ossidian | I'm on the latest sharp rom right now |
| 20:35:08 | kergoth | modules? |
| 20:35:09 | kergoth | module? |
| 20:35:19 | kergoth | wonders what a module has to do with the flash process |
| 20:37:33 | ossidian | I have just had an idea |
| 20:37:45 | kergoth | ossidian: should i be worried? :P |
| 20:37:57 | ossidian | it has a problem reading a card that size ... |
| 20:38:08 | numatrix | ossidian: the flash process is firmware code |
| 20:38:09 | ossidian | but it isn't a hardware problem |
| 20:38:32 | ossidian | cause i can flash the rom using the card |
| 20:38:46 | ossidian | what if i only create a 32mb partition on it |
| 20:38:49 | kergoth | so what cant you do? |
| 20:38:53 | bisho | I have a problem with the CF 256 |
| 20:38:53 | ossidian | would it read it ? |
| 20:38:55 | kergoth | still doesnt get what the problem is |
| 20:39:03 | numatrix | wonders too |
| 20:39:05 | bisho | It was formated with fat from a Pocket PC |
| 20:39:19 | bisho | and the flash process do not start |
| 20:39:22 | ljp | fat16? or fat32? |
| 20:39:27 | bisho | Once I reformat it from Zaurus |
| 20:39:33 | bisho | with mkdosfs |
| 20:39:42 | bisho | it worked |
| 20:39:44 | bisho | :) |
| 20:39:50 | br33zy | moo |
| 20:39:51 | br33zy | :) |
| 20:39:54 | kergoth | hey br33zy |
| 20:40:10 | br33zy | hey kergoth |
| 20:40:15 | ossidian | I put files onto it and then i put it into the zaurus and look in documents, there's nothing there |
| 20:40:24 | kergoth | ossidian: and can you see them in console? ls /mnt/cf/ |
| 20:40:32 | kergoth | ossidian: run'mount' .. is it mounted? |
| 20:40:46 | ossidian | I haven't been able to load any software onto it |
| 20:40:58 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:41:00 | ossidian | but i have looked through the file system using opera |
| 20:41:01 | kergoth | that tells me nothing |
| 20:41:05 | kergoth | run the commands i gave you |
| 20:41:09 | ossidian | and if i look in the cf |
| 20:41:12 | ossidian | directory |
| 20:41:25 | ossidian | there is only one file called not available |
| 20:41:58 | ossidian | mkdosfs /dev/hde ? |
| 20:42:52 | ossidian | thanks guys, im gonna try some things |
| 20:42:54 | ossidian | later |
| 20:59:16 | benmeyer | goes to read MicrosoftVsUs breif |
| 21:03:51 | sjohnson | benmeyer: not for another 22 minutes or so. It supposed to be 1:30 PST |
| 21:22:27 | ToyKeeper | Okay, anyone have a problem where the Z will just spontaneously shut itself off during use? |
| 21:22:47 | ToyKeeper | (it's not a low battery; it's actually plugged in and charging) |
| 21:22:53 | treke | yah know, for all the complaintsI hear about qtopia, wince doesnt seem that much better pim wise |
| 21:23:15 | ToyKeeper | It's happened half a dozen times now, and it confuses me. It's like it thinks I'm holding the off button when I'm not. |
| 21:25:06 | treke | the notes app is nice. Tasks and addressbook dont seem to be any different |
| 21:26:58 | treke | at a glance, calendor only seems to have one added feature in wince |
| 21:34:14 | ToyKeeper | And wince is The Competition? ... sigh, I guess it is. |
| 21:34:34 | treke | ToyKeeper: Well it's one of the platforms qtopia is regularly compared to |
| 21:34:53 | ToyKeeper | I don't understand the point of current PDA interface design. I dislike wince *and* qtopia. |
| 21:35:45 | kergoth | likes picogui's look and feel |
| 21:35:58 | treke | I dunno, as a general rule, I liked palm interfaces. I dont like the limited nature of the apps though. I guess they kind of go hand in hand |
| 21:37:08 | scanline | With open source, you can give anything whatever look and feel you want |
| 21:37:29 | ToyKeeper | I kinda like the way palm does it, but I'd rather have something more like x11. (but with a button daemon for easy quicklaunching of apps) |
| 21:37:54 | scanline | you can use X if you want |
| 21:38:01 | ToyKeeper | I do. :) |
| 21:38:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:38:10 | scanline | :) |
| 21:38:16 | treke | wasnt trying to stir up a fight. was just surprised |
| 21:38:58 | ToyKeeper | Heh. :) |
| 21:39:16 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, I used wince for a few days before I got linux on my ipaq.. and I must say opie is much nicer. |
| 21:39:19 | treke | this notepad is pretty fricken cool though :) |
| 21:40:03 | ToyKeeper | The only notepad I care for is a basic text-editor widget with a few buttons for save/load, and such. :) |
| 21:40:27 | scanline | hehe, picogui finally has one of those now :) |
| 21:40:56 | ToyKeeper | Any chance in hell of getting a gtk port to picogui? |
| 21:41:13 | ToyKeeper | Such a thing would bring oodles of useful apps... |
| 21:41:30 | treke | yeah but they'd all look like crap on picogui :) |
| 21:41:43 | scanline | Depends.. it shouldn't be that hard to run gtk on the framebuffer wiht picogui, but that would give gtk apps a completely different look and feel and none of picogui's flexibility |
| 21:42:00 | scanline | It might be possible to make a widget-level gtk port, but that would be really hard if it's even possible |
| 21:42:31 | scanline | and apps would still look and function better if their UI was rewritten for picogui |
| 21:42:33 | ToyKeeper | Nah, just something minimal but sufficient to run some things.. could help bootstrap some popularity and developer interest. |
| 21:42:53 | scanline | Yep, a minimal way to run gtk, qt, and X apps is in the todo list |
| 21:43:28 | scanline | hmm... |
| 21:44:08 | scanline | if it wasn't for SDL's limitation of only one window per process, you could port gtk and qt to SDL and they'd run pretty much anywhere |
| 21:44:27 | kergoth | thatd be spiffy |
| 21:45:09 | scanline | from what I've seen though, it wouln't be easy to make SDL support multiple windows |
| 21:45:27 | scanline | maybe ggi would be a better bet, it's designed for extreme flexibility |
| 21:47:24 | ToyKeeper | Didn't they already make gtk-fb? |
| 21:47:39 | scanline | yeah |
| 21:47:40 | ToyKeeper | And qte uses the framebuffer... |
| 21:48:00 | ToyKeeper | I'm not sure how thick the layer would have to be to make those use picogui instead of the framebuffer, though. |
| 21:48:05 | scanline | but that just means you can quit qte and run gtk, you couldn't run gtk inside anything with that |
| 21:48:16 | treke | qte expects to have the whole framebuffer to itself. gtk is probably the same |
| 21:48:40 | scanline | right, you can't run muliple apps on the framebuffer unless you had some server to arbitrate between them and distribute events |
| 21:49:12 | scanline | otherwise events go to only one process or both, and they are constantly drawing over each other |
| 21:49:48 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. I'd think.. give each app an emulated framebuffer inside a picogui window. |
| 21:50:03 | scanline | It's planned for picogui to have a media library that works a little like SDL but works at any color depth and supports multiple windows, gdk could probably be ported to that without too much trouble |
| 21:50:34 | scanline | hmm... |
| 21:50:44 | scanline | puts on the agenda for tonight, start media_c |
| 21:50:46 | treke | scanline: how about sdl over picogui? |
| 21:50:53 | scanline | treke: that already works |
| 21:51:00 | treke | hehehe |
| 21:51:14 | treke | and picogui can run over sdl, right? |
| 21:51:17 | scanline | yep |
| 21:51:23 | treke | that could be fun |
| 21:51:26 | scanline | so yes, you can run picogui inside picogui :) |
| 21:52:08 | ToyKeeper | I'm glad I'm not building picogui... I wrote a very minimal but similar system once, and it was a pain. |
| 21:52:25 | scanline | yeah, it quickly becomes a huge project :) |
| 21:52:33 | ToyKeeper | I just wanted a windowing system for my dos image editor... and it got out of hand quickly. |
| 21:53:02 | scanline | When I started it I figured I'd be at 1.0 by the end of the summer, and after more than 2.5 years I'm just releasing 0.42 :) |
| 21:53:40 | scanline | ChanServ: welcome back |
| 21:53:44 | ljp | hmmm |
| 21:53:58 | scanline | darn, they should have made ChanServ act like an infobot |
| 21:54:19 | Wembly | they shoulda just ditched chanserv |
| 21:54:22 | Wembly | and nickserv |
| 21:54:27 | Wembly | stupid things. |
| 21:54:42 | Wembly | cause nothing but trouble and absolute power dictatorships |
| 21:54:50 | scanline | ToyKeeper: but just look at how Fresco's moving... it's a great project, but with its scope and number of developers, they've been at it like 10 years and still have almost no usable apps |
| 21:55:23 | ToyKeeper | Yeah. I haven't even looked at Fresco for over a year. |
| 21:55:28 | ToyKeeper | I doubt it's changed much. |
| 21:55:45 | scanline | I like Fresco's architecture. It's similar to PicoGUI in a lot of ways |
| 21:55:55 | kergoth | Wembly: you should see a network without them. try efnet sometime. |
| 21:55:57 | kergoth | Wembly: :) |
| 22:02:21 | scanline | grr..... |
| 22:02:47 | scanline | I've been using the lyrics to Wish You Were Here as a test of my textbox widget for the past several days, and it's stuck in my head |
| 22:05:23 | ToyKeeper | Use this instead: http://toykeeper.net/media/albuquerque.php |
| 22:05:52 | scanline | hehe, that's a great song too |
| 22:05:58 | scanline | textbox can't handle formatting yet though |
| 22:06:12 | ToyKeeper | Doesn't matter. Still fun to play with. :) |
| 22:06:17 | scanline | yep |
| 22:06:55 | scanline | it has a good mix of short and longer paragraphs too |
| 22:09:04 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/albuquerque.png |
| 22:09:34 | scanline | spiffy |
| 22:11:39 | levi | Ahhh, Weird Al. |
| 22:13:27 | levi | What device is that running on? |
| 22:13:42 | scanline | this one :) |
| 22:13:51 | scanline | athlon box, running Debian |
| 22:14:19 | ToyKeeper | Wow, nice. |
| 22:14:43 | levi | Ah, thought it might be a tuxscreen or something fun like that. ;) |
| 22:15:03 | scanline | hmm.. wonder how well this alpha blending would fare at 8bpp |
| 22:15:32 | scanline | hey, not too bad |
| 22:15:59 | levi | Another screenshot? |
| 22:16:04 | scanline | coming right up |
| 22:16:24 | darienm | ARGHHHHHHH! !!!!!!!!! |
| 22:16:35 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/albuquerque_8bpp.png |
| 22:16:36 | darienm | erikd is supposed to be programming, he's playing games on my server ! |
| 22:16:37 | darienm | arghhhhh |
| 22:16:51 | darienm | Have any of you played natural-selection yet? (its fun) |
| 22:16:56 | scanline | The cursor looks aweful because it doesn't dither RGBA source bitmaps, but the background didn't come out too bad |
| 22:17:05 | scanline | s/aweful/awful/ |
| 22:17:20 | scanline | darienm: is that when you stab your roommate to death and whoever's still alive wins? |
| 22:17:39 | darienm | no, http://www.natrual-selection.org or http://www.readyroom.org/ |
| 22:19:56 | levi | Yeah, that background does look cool. |
| 22:20:17 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=92 <-- it's the same one used here |
| 22:22:53 | scanline | deaddreamer is awesome |
| 22:23:11 | kergoth | yeah, it is |
| 22:23:12 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:24:49 | levi | Well, the picture looks cool, but I meant to say that the 8bpp version did turn out well. |
| 22:25:18 | kergoth | i'm using http://www.deaddreamer.com/v10/freeze/ddr_0079_manifestation.jpg on my box at home atm |
| 22:29:06 | scanline | ooh, that's one I haven't seen before |
| 23:39:40 | Titeuf | 8,2hello |
| 23:39:51 | kergoth | um |
| 23:39:51 | Titeuf | sorry |
| 23:39:53 | kergoth | ditch the colors |
| 23:39:53 | treke | color==bad |
| 23:39:54 | kergoth | thanks |
| 23:39:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:40:30 | Titeuf | is there any french channel talking about zaurus ? |
| 23:43:40 | kergoth`out | goin home |
| 23:44:44 | mark | Titeuf: dont think so |
| 23:45:14 | chouimat | Titeuf: kossé tu veux? |
| 23:45:38 | Titeuf | doesn't matter |
| 23:45:45 | Titeuf | i'll try it in english |
| 23:45:49 | chouimat | hehe |
| 23:46:09 | Titeuf | I'm using linux (mdk 9.0) |
| 23:46:25 | Titeuf | and i'd like to use qtopiadesktop |
| 23:46:31 | tux_mike | http://www.thesurrealist.co.uk/priorart.cgi?ref=Zaurus |
| 23:47:18 | ljp | thats deep |
| 23:47:40 | tux_mike | quite |
| 23:47:47 | TrekCycling | anyone using OZ3? |
| 23:47:50 | Titeuf | i tried qtopiadesktop 1.6b2 |
| 23:47:52 | br33zy | me |
| 23:47:52 | tux_mike | http://www.thesurrealist.co.uk/priorart.cgi?ref=Sharp+Zaurus |
| 23:48:05 | TrekCycling | how is OZ3? |
| 23:48:12 | Titeuf | but he says "illegal instruction"... |
| 23:48:31 | chouimat | TrekCycling: need some pepper |
| 23:48:44 | TrekCycling | ah |
| 23:49:02 | TrekCycling | better than the Sharp rom yet? I keep checking in, trying it out now and then to see. |
| 23:49:42 | TrekCycling | So far I haven't found a version I like better than the Sharp ROM yet. The Sharp ROM works as a PDA for me, so I'm hesitant to switch until it's as trouble-free. |
| 23:50:03 | Titeuf | I installed OZ3 5 minutes ago :) |
| 23:50:37 | TrekCycling | Titeuf: how is it? Too soon to tell? |
| 23:50:47 | Titeuf | really too soon :) |
| 23:51:05 | tux_mike | http://www.thesurrealist.co.uk/priorart.cgi?ref=Opie |
| 23:51:17 | Titeuf | i see new icons in "settings" |
| 23:51:18 | mark | tux_mike: hehe |
| 23:52:00 | Titeuf | aqpkg, backup & restore, launcher and a medium mount |
| 23:52:31 | Titeuf | OZ works faster than sharp's OS |
| 23:53:11 | TrekCycling | I wonder how safe it is to have the ROM be writable |
| 23:53:36 | TrekCycling | That's one of the points that's always scared me off. That and the bugs. |
| 23:53:41 | Titeuf | do you work under linux ? |
| 23:54:15 | Titeuf | just create users and you'll be safe :) |
| 23:54:36 | TrekCycling | that's not what I mean by safe |
| 23:54:49 | TrekCycling | I do use Linux, but what I mean is safe for teh flash ROM itself |
| 23:54:53 | TrekCycling | all those writes |
| 23:54:59 | scanline | TrekCycling: that's nothing to worry about |
| 23:55:07 | Titeuf | oki |
| 23:55:24 | Titeuf | I agree with scanline |
| 23:55:27 | scanline | you would have to rewrite the entire contents of your flash millions of times before there's any reasonable chance for part of it to go bad |
| 23:55:31 | TrekCycling | scanline: Besides, I can always buy the clamshell if this one goes T-up? :-) |
| 23:55:58 | scanline | The way jffs2 is designed, there's nothing to worry about |
| 23:56:06 | TrekCycling | that's good to hear, though. I know it uses jffs2 or something like that |
| 23:56:18 | TrekCycling | yeah. |
| 23:56:27 | TrekCycling | Either way I was waiting for someone else to try it to be sure. :-) |
| 23:56:58 | scanline | lots of people have tried it already, OZ3 is great |
| 23:57:05 | Titeuf | yes |
| 23:57:09 | TrekCycling | Well, I guess I'll have to wait and see how buggy it is. Someone on the Zaurus mailing list is talking about decreased battery life. |
| 23:57:10 | Twiun | gives it the thumbs up |
| 23:57:21 | TrekCycling | If that's for real I don't want to switch, but I'll keep my eye out. |
| 23:57:24 | Titeuf | i was running the old version before with no problem |
| 23:57:25 | scanline | TrekCycling: I'm pretty sure that's BS |
| 23:57:42 | scanline | TrekCycling: there are still a few bugs of course, but nothing major, and you can keep upgrading OZ3 from the feed without reflashing |
| 23:58:32 | chouimat|cooking | scanline: yup OZ3 is great :) |
| 23:58:36 | TrekCycling | does it use the same address book format, etc.? |
| 23:58:42 | neale | yes. |
| 23:58:47 | TrekCycling | I mean, how would I keep that in the course of "Upgrading" |
| 23:58:50 | TrekCycling | okay\ |
| 23:58:59 | TrekCycling | I might just back it up and give it a whack. |
| 23:59:04 | neale | IIRC it's even the same app |
| 23:59:06 | TrekCycling | backup/restore works well enough. |
| 23:59:16 | neale | I only ran the sharp ROM for a night :) |
| 23:59:21 | TrekCycling | it is the same app |
| 23:59:25 | TrekCycling | it's just improved. |
| 23:59:57 | neale | decreased battery life?? |
