| 00:00:10 | ljp | frickin-ass bbrrr! |
| 00:00:26 | Harlekin_ | Stripes_: send me 20$ too |
| 00:01:31 | ljp | damn its cold |
| 00:04:47 | ciaolinux | is back |
| 00:06:18 | jmhodges | ljp: lol |
| 00:07:47 | mickeyl|tv | is leaving for a while... |
| 00:09:39 | erikd | goes to work on statgrapher |
| 00:09:47 | darienm | yay! |
| 00:10:02 | erikd | :) |
| 00:10:07 | erikd | xml import/export is up |
| 00:10:12 | Speedy2 | erikd: Are you going to add better interpolation? |
| 00:10:13 | darienm | I have NOTHING |
| 00:10:23 | darienm | ? better interpolation ? |
| 00:10:27 | Speedy2 | You know that linear interpolation isn't all correct, right? |
| 00:10:33 | erikd | uhmmm |
| 00:10:37 | darienm | what? |
| 00:10:41 | erikd | yeah, what? :) |
| 00:10:47 | Speedy2 | Interpolation! |
| 00:10:50 | Speedy2 | The lines between your points |
| 00:11:00 | darienm | which lines? |
| 00:11:02 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:11:05 | Speedy2 | Drawing a straight line between the points will give you erroneous results |
| 00:11:07 | kergoth | smacks darienm and erikd |
| 00:11:13 | Speedy2 | agrees with kergoth |
| 00:11:16 | erikd | pfft |
| 00:11:29 | mark | kergoth: hows OZ 4.0 going then? :P |
| 00:11:31 | darienm | what do the lines have to do with anything? |
| 00:11:33 | erikd | as far as i know it's not supposed to be exact |
| 00:11:41 | erikd | just a visual representation |
| 00:12:04 | Speedy2 | Graph sin(2*pi*x) with 2x as many points as you need. You'll get a blocky looking thing. If you had higher order interpolation like polynomial or cubic, it would look more correct |
| 00:12:19 | sitruC | thumbs up for aesthetics oz3 guys :-) |
| 00:12:20 | darienm | the points are in the correct place (with regard to how many screen pixels are available to position them). The lines are just for humans to "follow" visually. |
| 00:12:27 | Harlekin | kergoth: very funny |
| 00:12:29 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 00:12:31 | kergoth | Harlekin: ;) |
| 00:12:32 | Speedy2 | erikd: If you're measuring data from a process and you're abiding by Nyquist/Shannon, then your results will be bogus. |
| 00:12:45 | erikd | i'm not abiding by anyone |
| 00:12:48 | erikd | :) |
| 00:12:50 | Speedy2 | sigh |
| 00:13:10 | darienm | erikd, where's the most recent screenshot? |
| 00:13:17 | erikd | http://zaurus.erikd.org/pics/statgrapher/graphWorking.png |
| 00:13:29 | darienm | Speedy2: What's the problem? |
| 00:13:44 | treke | erikd: looking good |
| 00:13:46 | Speedy2 | I think it would too long to explain. Nevermind. |
| 00:13:51 | Wintre | mumbles something about gnuplot |
| 00:13:54 | darienm | Please, we are interested. |
| 00:13:55 | erikd | treke: thx |
| 00:14:00 | darienm | we tried using gnuplot. |
| 00:14:06 | erikd | and qwtplot |
| 00:14:13 | darienm | er, I think. Oh, yeah -- that too |
| 00:14:35 | Wintre | On a Z? |
| 00:14:40 | erikd | yeah |
| 00:14:46 | Wintre | Hm tried how? |
| 00:14:46 | erikd | is the compiling master! |
| 00:14:49 | darienm | Speedy2: Easy question, is there a FLAW in the graphical display shown on that image? |
| 00:15:06 | darienm | Maybe just qwtplot, not gnuplot. |
| 00:15:08 | erikd | wintre: got it working but decided it'd be easier to fix the one i was writing rather than use that one |
| 00:15:11 | Speedy2 | Using linear interpolation between the data points is not always correct. |
| 00:15:20 | Wintre | The only problem I could see with gnuplot on a X is that somebody would have to write a qte terminal |
| 00:15:20 | erikd | since i'd have to modify it to use dates |
| 00:15:22 | darienm | But we put qwtplot into the program (erikd even has a screen shot). |
| 00:15:33 | Wintre | gnuplot supports time data |
| 00:15:45 | erikd | http://zaurus.erikd.org/pics/statgrapher/qwtgraph.png |
| 00:15:50 | erikd | that's with the qwtplot |
| 00:16:03 | erikd | no data was graphed, though |
| 00:16:05 | Wintre | Qhat's qwtplot? |
| 00:16:13 | Wintre | s/Q/W/ |
| 00:16:16 | Wintre | shows his ignorance |
| 00:16:35 | erikd | it's a plot that comes with qwt: http://qwt.sf.net |
| 00:16:43 | erikd | graphing tools for qt |
| 00:16:55 | darienm | It's a bit heavy for what we need (at this time) |
| 00:17:02 | darienm | StatGrapher 2 might make use of it.. |
| 00:17:09 | erikd | eeek |
| 00:17:23 | darienm | But we have to get Version 1 out the door in less than 20 hours. |
| 00:17:23 | erikd | isn't looking forward to modifying qwt |
| 00:17:27 | darienm | So stop asking erikd questions |
| 00:17:28 | erikd | it'll happen! |
| 00:17:30 | erikd | yeah |
| 00:17:32 | erikd | leave me alone ;) |
| 00:17:42 | darienm | /ban erikd |
| 00:17:52 | treke | why the hurry? |
| 00:18:00 | darienm | Oct 31 is the deadline for the challenge. |
| 00:18:08 | darienm | We received the Zaurus, now we have to deliver the software. |
| 00:18:11 | treke | ah. Thought that passed long ago |
| 00:18:17 | Wintre | qwt looks pretty cool |
| 00:18:17 | darienm | they extended it. |
| 00:18:28 | darienm | But *someone* has been letting the weeks slip by |
| 00:18:38 | Wintre | Anyway, go, gogo. Code ;) |
| 00:18:44 | Speedy2 | If it's called Stat grappher does it give you statistical options and curve fitting? |
| 00:18:45 | darienm | he's gone. |
| 00:18:47 | darienm | he's coding. |
| 00:18:49 | erikd | hey, i've been extremely busy |
| 00:18:56 | mark | darienm: thats not the java thingy is it? |
| 00:19:01 | erikd | not my fault i got a job and had to go to school |
| 00:19:13 | erikd | i seriously feel really bad about not being able to finish it |
| 00:19:17 | darienm | Speedy2: No. http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/statgrapher/index.php |
| 00:19:26 | darienm | mark: no java |
| 00:19:46 | darienm | Speedy2: I think it does a lot less than you assumed by its name. |
| 00:20:01 | Speedy2 | Yeah. But you seriously need to add more than linear interpolation, otherwise what it displays is junk. |
| 00:20:21 | darienm | http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/statgrapher/img/graphs.png |
| 00:20:23 | darienm | junk ?? |
| 00:20:28 | Speedy2 | Yeah, junk as in incorrect |
| 00:20:36 | Speedy2 | Like if you were displaying blood glucose levels |
| 00:20:38 | darienm | The points are in the right place. |
| 00:20:40 | erikd | !@#$ |
| 00:20:41 | Speedy2 | The graph would be incorrect |
| 00:20:45 | erikd | my pageup and pagedown don't work |
| 00:20:46 | erikd | wtf |
| 00:20:49 | Speedy2 | It is not the points |
| 00:20:54 | Speedy2 | It's the information between the points |
| 00:20:56 | erikd | how am i supposed to code if i can't navigate in vim? |
| 00:21:11 | Speedy2 | I'll give you a hint: Look up Nyquist sampling theory |
| 00:21:25 | Speedy2 | And then look-up Fourier transform |
| 00:21:29 | Speedy2 | And then low-pass filter |
| 00:24:24 | darienm | Speedy2: Our program can't sample fast enough for those errors to occur. |
| 00:25:08 | Speedy2 | hahahah |
| 00:25:08 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 00:25:13 | Speedy2 | You missed the point |
| 00:25:28 | darienm | There is no 'noise' in our data. |
| 00:25:37 | darienm | Numbers in, numbers out. |
| 00:25:45 | Speedy2 | Ok, you're seriously off course now. |
| 00:25:45 | darienm | its all treated as raw. |
| 00:25:50 | darienm | There is NO interpolation |
| 00:26:00 | treke | Speedy2: They arent trying to estimate the data in between the points. They are giving the eye a path to follow to the next point |
| 00:26:06 | Speedy2 | If there is no interpolation, you'd just be displaying points, there would be no lines between there |
| 00:26:07 | darienm | correct |
| 00:26:18 | darienm | this is nothing more than value reporting. |
| 00:26:24 | darienm | values that the user enters. |
| 00:26:33 | darienm | the lines only link the data points. |
| 00:26:45 | darienm | they are not to be miscontrued as a continuation of the value |
| 00:27:45 | mark | wonders if his wlan would work better if the access point weren't in a big cupboard |
| 00:28:08 | darienm | depends what else is in the cupboard.. pots and pans, lots of aluminum foil? |
| 00:28:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:28:35 | darienm | non-linear isometric signal amplifiers? |
| 00:28:57 | mark | darienm: no, a couple of my PCs, and associated power adapters etc |
| 00:29:00 | ljp | man, thats technical |
| 00:29:16 | darienm | no, its made-up gibberish |
| 00:32:02 | ljp | is that a buxom borg in your lab? |
| 00:32:36 | darienm | if you want to call it a 'lab' |
| 00:32:40 | darienm | we call it an 'office' |
| 00:34:12 | darienm | at the moment she is actually facing out the front window with a stobe light nearby |
| 00:34:47 | ljp | hmmm.. hopefully in a see-through hippy dress |
| 00:36:24 | darienm | uh. |
| 00:38:48 | scanline | Hmm.. aren't non-linear and isometric sort of mutually exclusive? |
| 00:39:12 | darien|away | ssshh. |
| 00:39:22 | darien|away | the 'dim' ones don't know that |
| 00:39:32 | scanline | ha |
| 00:39:47 | darien|away | I got picogui into slashdot |
| 00:40:06 | scanline | huh? where? |
| 00:40:33 | darien|away | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/30/200247&mode=thread&tid=100 |
| 00:40:52 | scanline | Oh. That was numatrix's doing |
| 00:41:02 | darien|away | read my reply. |
| 00:41:04 | scanline | Not the first time picogui's been in slashdot though :) |
| 00:41:12 | darien|away | didn't claim it was. |
| 00:41:16 | darien|away | Just doing my small meager part |
| 00:41:25 | scanline | nods |
| 00:41:31 | scanline | don't see any picogui in the replies though |
| 00:42:14 | darien|away | find my reply, for the guy who complains its not pretty |
| 00:42:18 | scanline | oh, there it is |
| 00:42:19 | darien|away | 'darienk' |
| 00:42:21 | ljp | whats a picogui? |
| 00:42:27 | | picogui is an small and scalable embedded GUI. More info in the #picogui channel or at http://picogui.org. Read the FAQ or not pico gui or pico-gui or even cooler than sliced cheese or see "picogui faq" |
| 00:42:27 | darien|away | ibot picogui |
| 00:42:34 | treke | ljp: its like an opie, but not as cool |
| 00:42:35 | ljp | haha |
| 00:42:35 | scanline | darien|away: hehe, neat |
| 00:42:46 | scanline | treke: bah |
| 00:43:00 | darien|away | depends how you measure 'cool' |
| 00:43:16 | darien|away | ya know, like Celcius vs. Farenheit |
| 00:43:24 | darien|away | different numbers, same temp. |
| 00:43:25 | cranch | anyone running tkcRadio? |
| 00:43:26 | ljp | cool is, like, Fonzi |
| 00:43:35 | darien|away | is now REALLY away |
| 00:45:06 | erikd | ok, what's a nice linux gui code editor i can use since my page up/down is b0rked? |
| 00:45:16 | erikd | with debian 3.0 stable and kde 3 packages |
| 00:45:39 | treke | erikd: gvim |
| 00:45:40 | ljp | emacs |
| 00:45:53 | levi | Heh. |
| 00:46:00 | erikd | ... |
| 00:46:08 | ljp | ssex is kinda cool too for Qt stuff |
| 00:46:37 | erikd | atlantis:/home/yodatoad# gvim |
| 00:46:37 | erikd | E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time |
| 00:46:40 | erikd | go debian! |
| 00:46:46 | treke | erikd: apt-get install gvim |
| 00:46:57 | erikd | atlantis:/home/yodatoad# apt-get install gvim |
| 00:46:57 | erikd | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 00:46:57 | erikd | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 00:46:57 | erikd | E: Couldn't find package gvim |
| 00:47:00 | erikd | :) |
| 00:47:13 | treke | wtf? |
| 00:47:14 | levi | It's vim-gtk |
| 00:47:17 | ljp | try emerge gvim |
| 00:47:28 | erikd | i'm not in gentoo (wish i was) |
| 00:47:30 | treke | ah yeah. vim-gtk |
| 00:47:31 | darien|away | gedit |
| 00:47:40 | erikd | ah, there it goes |
| 00:47:41 | ljp | emerge notepad |
| 00:48:02 | treke | ljp: why dont we just split the difference and use vimacs? |
| 00:48:06 | erikd | oooh, yay for gvim! |
| 00:48:20 | levi | gvim rocks |
| 00:48:23 | ljp | hehe |
| 00:48:33 | ljp | I can run vi in emacs |
| 00:48:44 | ljp | can you run emacs in vi? |
| 00:49:04 | levi | I believe there are vim macros for emacs compatibility |
| 00:49:12 | erikd | ljp: would you -want- to? |
| 00:49:25 | ljp | sure.. why not? its fun! |
| 00:49:25 | treke | levi: vimacs in debian :) |
| 00:49:31 | erikd | hehe |
| 00:49:49 | erikd | has a hotel room reserved for nov 8-10 now |
| 00:49:50 | erikd | yay! |
| 00:50:05 | Speedy2 | Who runs the OpenZ website? |
| 00:50:50 | cranch | TheMasterMind1..he does php work for it anywayxs...why do you ask? |
| 00:51:16 | treke | ljp: http://www.vimacs.cx/about.html |
| 00:52:09 | Speedy2 | cranch: I ask because I was going to say it would be nice to have screen shots showing default installed apps, what it looks like and some of the main features. |
| 00:52:31 | ljp | they could link to opie's screenies |
| 00:52:41 | ljp | and I think there are picogui screenoe |
| 00:52:44 | ljp | screenies |
| 00:53:10 | scanline | http://picogui.org/scrshots.php <-- picogui screenshots |
| 00:53:12 | cranch | there are some picogui screenies on the picogui site... |
| 00:53:16 | cranch | thanks scanline |
| 00:53:25 | raster | scanline: yo - other raster! :) |
| 00:53:28 | scanline | http://picogui.org/scap/ <-- some miscellanious shots taken from the zaurus running picogui |
| 00:53:31 | scanline | hi raster! |
| 00:54:00 | raster | scanline: how goes it? |
| 00:54:32 | Speedy2 | Right, I meant screenshots running OpenZ |
| 00:54:34 | scanline | raster: not bad. Might actually have a picogui release soon with working text editing, and the groundwork is laid for picogui running rootless in other GUIs, like X |
| 00:54:53 | scanline | raster: The rootless driver isn't written yet, but we're considering using imlib2 |
| 00:55:17 | scanline | raster: might use RENDER directly though, for the possibility of hardware accelerated compositing, and things like antialiased lines and circles |
| 00:55:55 | raster | scanline: yeah. imlbi2 won't give you that.. but render wont give you image scalin as it currently stands either. :) you could use evas... :) heheeh |
| 00:55:55 | hobbs | has anyone ever thought of writing a little wrapper on top of SpeakFreely for the Z? together with 802.11, that would be pretty cool. :) |
| 00:56:10 | scanline | raster: true.. but at this stage I don't need image scaling |
| 00:56:23 | ljp | hmmm maybe its time to move to Canada |
| 00:56:32 | scanline | raster: I might experiment with rootless in either DirectFB, RENDER, or imlib2 after this textbox widget is usable |
| 00:56:32 | raster | scanline: how do you do the backgroudn of buttons, etc. ? |
| 00:56:43 | raster | dfb is pretty cool |
| 00:56:43 | raster | :) |
| 00:56:51 | scanline | raster: it's all up to the theme, but most of them tile portions of the bitmap instead of scaling |
| 00:57:10 | scanline | raster: plus, picogui's video system defines software fallbacks for everything anyway, so it'd be easy to let it do what RENDER can't handle |
| 00:57:18 | TheMasterMind1 | Speedy2: hey |
| 00:57:23 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: Hey. |
| 00:57:24 | TheMasterMind1 | Speedy2: i was going to do that actually |
| 00:57:27 | TheMasterMind1 | a screenshots section |
| 00:57:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i need shots to put there though |
| 00:57:32 | TheMasterMind1 | so send me some |
| 00:57:38 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: Well, it would be nice if you blended the shots in with the info on the pag |
| 00:57:38 | Speedy2 | e |
| 00:58:05 | TheMasterMind1 | not a bad idea |
| 00:58:10 | raster | scanline: hmmm. ok. :) i guess i must do it differently - i liek scalign the contents of my buttons :) but then again using ebits is fun for them as it then doesnt limit you into anythign as its an abstract image object with its resizing logic built into it. |
| 00:58:13 | scanline | raster: the latest release of DirectFB can run on top of SDL, makes experimentation a lot easier :) |
| 00:58:28 | raster | scanline: yeah. that was a problem :) |
| 00:58:53 | scanline | raster: picogui themes can do pretty much anything too, since they have a simple scripting language, but there's no scaled bitmap primitive in picogui yet since nothing's needed it |
| 00:59:31 | scanline | raster: I'm frustrated with X developers again though, so I might do a DirectFB driver before RENDER and imlib2.. dunno |
| 00:59:49 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 01:00:20 | raster | scanline: x moves at continental drift. |
| 01:00:21 | raster | :) |
| 01:00:37 | scanline | raster: yep, though what bugs me even more is the X developers' attitude |
| 01:00:59 | scanline | I had a short conversation on #xfree86 yesterday that annoyed me... |
| 01:01:32 | raster | scanline: who id you talk to? what did they say? |
| 01:01:39 | scanline | I asked some questions on RENDER, and eventually suggested that the X developers think about abstracting the driver backend into a library in the future |
| 01:01:45 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/xfree86.20021029.log |
| 01:01:56 | erikd | jeez, i never realized the statgrapher code was so huge. that little scroll box sure puts it in perspective |
| 01:02:00 | scanline | There's the whole thing if you're interested... |
| 01:02:17 | scanline | but it was stuff like this that bugged me: |
| 01:02:21 | scanline | <keithp> Not really; any new interfaces would likely slow performance and make getting X running harder. Alternative GUI environments should run on top of X :-) |
| 01:02:49 | scanline | <vektor>With minimal hacking, X can do what any alternative GUI can do. |
| 01:02:59 | erikd | lies! |
| 01:03:02 | scanline | yeah... |
| 01:03:06 | erikd | viva picogui! |
| 01:03:26 | erikd | is planning on using picogui as the gui for the toy os he wants to write |
| 01:03:35 | scanline | hehe, neat |
| 01:03:43 | hobbs | y'know, whenever BZFlag comes in, I get guilty that I don't have a decent system with OpenGL anymore. :) |
| 01:03:47 | raster | hmmm |
| 01:03:50 | raster | technically they arent far off |
| 01:04:10 | raster | if you think "well i can just opena full screne window and render everythig myself and blit it to screen via XshmPutImage/XPutImage" |
| 01:04:12 | raster | thats all possible |
| 01:04:16 | raster | but it defeats the pirpose |
| 01:04:30 | raster | i'd ONLY do that as a "we have no drivers forthis chipset so we'll get accel via x for now" |
| 01:04:39 | raster | x still has 1. the extra protocol overhead |
| 01:04:42 | scanline | raster: right. That's what fresco has to deal with now, and it's bullshit. Just because X doesn't have a reasonable architecture that lets the video drivers easily work without the rest of X |
| 01:04:47 | raster | and wont work to well ove rlow bandwidht/high latency networks |
| 01:05:02 | raster | and 2. still forces you back to "rab screen mune with cpu, put back" fora LOt of things |
| 01:05:27 | scanline | Not to mention that X and DRI's architectures make it impossible to so OpenGL on the framebuffer without a complete driver rewrite |
| 01:05:32 | raster | the rpoblem with x is mostly..... 1. legacy |
| 01:05:45 | raster | it needs to deal with apps and handle ones that were written 15 years ago |
| 01:05:53 | raster | 2. size. it's too big. |
| 01:06:09 | raster | its simply impossible for most peoel to come to gripswith x's source and where the hell that thing is you want tomodify |
| 01:06:14 | scanline | nods |
| 01:06:16 | raster | and what kind of codepath it ends up going through |
| 01:06:29 | raster | i've got a vague idea of the src and knwo where soem bits are i want to deal with |
| 01:06:34 | scanline | Something that's intended to be a "simple" rendering backend for widget toolkits shouldn't take as long to compile as X does :) |
| 01:06:41 | raster | i've poekd aroudna nd fixed thgins in my own server before, like expose rects for shape |
| 01:06:47 | raster | and soem other things |
| 01:06:52 | raster | fixed a driver or 2 for my own use |
| 01:06:59 | raster | fixes were passed upstream |
| 01:07:04 | raster | but i dont know if they ever went in |
| 01:07:17 | raster | but all in all its a LOt of shit there |
| 01:07:19 | scanline | It'd be an interesting project to try to make a library that can emulate XFree86's XAA interface and dlopen() XFree 4.x drivers |
| 01:07:24 | raster | thsi si why i'm focusing on evas |
| 01:07:27 | raster | comapred to x it's tiny |
| 01:07:28 | raster | :) |
| 01:07:33 | scanline | yep |
| 01:07:39 | raster | and in many cases does more useful thins for programmers |
| 01:07:42 | scanline | What are your plans for hardware support in evas? |
| 01:07:49 | raster | i'm hapyp to have veas run In x |
| 01:07:52 | raster | i use it there all he time |
| 01:08:05 | raster | well evas does support directfb |
| 01:08:31 | raster | it runs int he linux fb (pure software code but hey - its intended for things like zaurus's and ipaqs.. ther is no hardware to acclerate!) |
| 01:08:39 | raster | i have ah opengl stub engine |
| 01:08:50 | raster | no code there - empty fucn waiting to be filel din |
| 01:08:53 | scanline | If directfb supported more of the acceleration primitives that X uses, there's probably no reason X couldn't be made to run on top of DirectFB |
| 01:08:56 | raster | but it's just a library |
| 01:09:22 | raster | my REALy next aim is he evas canvas server.. to ha a shared high-level smart canavs mutlipl pps can share and use and use over low-bandwidht high, latency connections |
| 01:09:22 | raster | :) |
| 01:09:27 | scanline | Well, made to run on DirectFB by default.. I know there's XDirectFB |
| 01:09:40 | scanline | raster: that'd be neat |
| 01:09:57 | raster | well dfb was writtne for a specific purpose |
| 01:09:59 | raster | set top boxes |
| 01:10:02 | scanline | right |
| 01:10:04 | raster | it does everyting it needs to there |
| 01:10:08 | raster | it coudl be expanded |
| 01:10:24 | raster | video objects and higher level thigns liek that are on my long todo list ofr evas |
| 01:10:28 | raster | too |
| 01:11:09 | scanline | What are your plans for a widget toolkit on top of evas? |
| 01:11:19 | raster | ewl |
| 01:11:24 | scanline | k |
| 01:11:25 | raster | thats long term |
| 01:11:32 | raster | and will be fairly large and full featured |
| 01:11:32 | sitruC2 | what do i need to get Konqueror to rasterize GIF's? |
| 01:11:33 | scanline | nods |
| 01:11:42 | raster | not realyl intended for small thins i guess |
| 01:11:44 | raster | but it depends |
| 01:11:51 | raster | i keep writign widgets myself |
| 01:11:58 | hobbs | sitruC2: libungif ? |
| 01:12:04 | raster | i wrote a list slector widge, including drawing the gfx in a day |
| 01:12:09 | raster | justa tick |
| 01:12:54 | sitruC2 | hobbs: do you know if that is in the oz3 feed? |
| 01:13:33 | scanline | raster: I should look into making an evas driver for picogui |
| 01:13:43 | raster | scanline: just uploading a demo... |
| 01:13:44 | hobbs | sitruC2: no, I don't, sorry. |
| 01:14:02 | raster | scanline: i'd liek input as to anythnig tha youd like to see in it that isnt int he TODO list |
| 01:14:05 | raster | :) |
| 01:14:06 | sitruC2 | hobbs: no worries. thanks for the pointer |
| 01:14:40 | scanline | raster: sure. I won't have time for evas/imlib2/directfb/render work right away though, I'm trying to get picogui's text editing usable |
| 01:14:52 | raster | scanline: picogui in theory looks nice, but for my purposes not quite what i want as id' liek to allow artisits and ui layout peoe to lay out uis and draw them completely wiht the program logic having almost no clue about the ui. |
| 01:15:27 | scanline | raster: actually, that's almost exactly picogui's philosophy... picogui is big on separation of content and presentation |
| 01:15:49 | raster | scanline: hehehehehe. somewhere in e1's code theres a complete 1-line text entry widget code. took me a few days. handles x copy & paste, full editing, selection etc. but no internationalization. its not to hard. multi-line is a diffreent kettle of fish tho.. |
| 01:15:51 | scanline | raster: it's not fully implemented yet, but picogui has a "widget templates" system that lets you define the UI and the app logic completely separately |
| 01:16:28 | scanline | raster: oh yeah.. this text editor I'm working on now has to handle multiline, formatting, tables, internationalization, HTML.... |
| 01:16:39 | raster | scanline: but the program still determind containering and general layout - i was trying to abstract even further.. |
| 01:16:51 | scribe_mobile | Hey guys. This is a cheezy question, but is there an html tag I can add to a document to tell the browser NOT to boarder images that are links? |
| 01:16:54 | scanline | raster: this first release won't handle any internationalization or formatting, but that's easy to add |
| 01:17:11 | raster | scanline: aaah.. you doign that too. i was thinking things liek ap goes "hook_callback("ok", "clicked", callback_on_ok_clicked, NULL); |
| 01:17:12 | raster | so if the ok widget emtis a clicked signal |
| 01:17:17 | raster | that callback is calle d(and passed NULL as a data pointer) |
| 01:17:21 | raster | doesnt matter how big ok is |
| 01:17:23 | raster | where it is |
| 01:17:24 | raster | how it looks |
| 01:17:26 | raster | etc. |
| 01:17:28 | raster | app has no clue |
| 01:17:29 | scanline | raster: exactly |
| 01:17:32 | raster | :) |
| 01:17:34 | raster | ooh |
| 01:17:36 | raster | tables, html |
| 01:17:41 | raster | aaah |
| 01:17:42 | raster | ok |
| 01:17:45 | raster | i see |
| 01:17:47 | raster | bitch |
| 01:17:47 | scanline | raster: that's exactly what picogui does using themes and WTs |
| 01:17:49 | raster | :) |
| 01:17:49 | scanline | >:) |
| 01:18:10 | treke | scribe_mobile: <img src="foo" border=0 |
| 01:18:27 | scribe_mobile | treke, thanks! |
| 01:18:40 | scanline | The themes handle widget appearances, WTs define the app's layout. WTs can be put inside themes, and themes can be overlaid with each other on a per-app and per-widget basis if needed |
| 01:19:51 | scanline | raster: since the picogui server always has a scene graph in memory, it should map onto evas pretty nicely. I'll definitely experiment with it sometime soon |
| 01:20:07 | raster | scanline: hmmm. sounds good. |
| 01:20:07 | raster | scanline: how far away are you from that? |
| 01:20:07 | raster | i want to do somehting simialr |
| 01:20:07 | raster | and have spent a logn tiem building mroe building blocks for it |
| 01:20:07 | raster | liek eet (it handles loading.saving arbitary data structs to/from disk betwene endinaness/arch and can send ovr sockets too) |
| 01:20:16 | raster | eet also handles image saving/loaidng - it has a nice hack to do jpeg with alpha channels |
| 01:20:27 | raster | so you can have loosy compression on icosn and alpha channeled data |
| 01:20:43 | raster | all in the name of getting it all togetehr so you can dump an entire theme to 1 file and page it randomly form the file as needed |
| 01:21:04 | raster | evas2 src has all the support there for it |
| 01:21:24 | scanline | raster: the widget template loader is written, and there's a python object for writing to widget templates, but no compiler to convert from XML source to widget templates, and it all needs testing |
| 01:21:28 | raster | thi si all in the name of being abl to eventualyl xfer these fiels across a network - and dislpay server cahces them |
| 01:21:43 | raster | so you only xfer dislay info once at first run |
| 01:21:47 | raster | 2nd run uses the cahced version |
| 01:21:55 | scanline | neat |
| 01:21:58 | raster | grubmles about xml |
| 01:22:05 | raster | :) |
| 01:22:37 | scanline | raster: it's really flexible.. you could write the widget templates in python if you want, or with a hex editor. They'd all get compiled to an efficient binary format that the server loads |
| 01:23:16 | raster | aaah |
| 01:23:17 | raster | cool |
| 01:23:19 | raster | binary |
| 01:23:20 | raster | YAY! |
| 01:23:21 | raster | :) |
| 01:23:30 | scanline | yeah, XML would just be for the source format that you'd edit |
| 01:23:33 | hobbs | xml isn't too bad anyway, when it's used for things it hould be used for. :) |
| 01:23:51 | scanline | the binary format for the WT is extremely simple |
| 01:24:03 | scanline | it only takes about 200 lines of C in pgserver to read and load them |
| 01:24:21 | raster | things liek sending xml over the wire for everyhting you do imoh is STUPID. it cause extra generation overhead, extran banwidht and extra parsing overhea |
| 01:24:36 | scanline | raster: definitely. everything sent over the wire to pgserver is binary |
| 01:25:02 | scanline | raster: right now it only supports TCP/IP, but soon I'm going to modularize the network code and add support for things like unix sockets, and SHM with semaphores |
| 01:25:46 | raster | that soudns cool |
| 01:25:52 | scanline | raster: it's pretty neat, a lot of picogui's formats (themes, widget templates, client/server protocol) reuse the same basic request blocks, making everything simpler |
| 01:28:01 | raster | just a sec |
| 01:28:33 | scanline | raster: in a theme for example, there's an object-oriented property/value database, when you want a property that's an image, it uses the same request packet that a client would use to load that image |
| 01:29:36 | scribe_mobile | treke: is there a way to do it for all images without placing that tag on each image? |
| 01:30:46 | hobbs | scribe_mobile: depends... are you willing to use CSS? |
| 01:34:08 | raster | scanline: sorry people @ desk |
| 01:34:37 | scanline | raster: no problem, IRC is buffered :) |
| 01:35:05 | raster | scanline: soudns cool... tho does that involve a round trip? ie client creates text object, waits for eply from server, server replies with object id and request for font data, client rpelies wiht font data... ? |
| 01:35:36 | raster | scanline: http://www.rasterman.com/files/evas_demo.tar.gz |
| 01:35:42 | scanline | raster: Not in a theme or widget template... the client just sends the theme or widget template in one request, the server does everything internally |
| 01:35:53 | raster | a bit of a download, but i made a statically compield binary for you |
| 01:35:59 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:36:02 | scanline | wgets |
| 01:36:03 | raster | so you dont have to compile it and get the dependant soruces |
| 01:36:11 | raster | gdb debugging in there too |
| 01:36:12 | raster | :) |
| 01:36:19 | raster | just run it form the src dir |
| 01:36:20 | raster | ie |
| 01:36:22 | raster | ./evas_demo |
| 01:36:25 | raster | window is resizable |
| 01:36:31 | raster | you can make it full scrtene if you want |
| 01:36:32 | raster | :) |
| 01:36:34 | scanline | 89% [================================> ] 6,655,776 177.95K/s ETA 00:04 |
| 01:36:36 | raster | keyboard works |
| 01:36:39 | scanline | nice connection on the server |
| 01:36:40 | raster | ie |
| 01:36:47 | raster | up/down arrow, return, space, left/right arrow |
| 01:36:49 | raster | so does mouse |
| 01:37:17 | scanline | sweet |
| 01:37:26 | scribe_mobile | hobbs: yeah, I guess. |
| 01:37:40 | scribe_mobile | I'm using it with JEditPane in Java |
| 01:37:50 | scribe_mobile | hobbs: and it will take CSS rules. |
| 01:38:05 | scribe_mobile | hobbs: I'm trying to figure out what a 'rule' is right now. |
| 01:38:20 | hobbs | scribe_mobile: <style type="text/css"> IMG { border: none; } </style> |
| 01:39:06 | hobbs | hrm. you'll have to find a good tutorial, but the short version is that a rule consists of a "selector", and one or more "property assignments". |
| 01:39:23 | scanline | raster: you shouldn't show me stuff like this, it makes me want to work on video drivers instead of text editing code :) |
| 01:39:46 | hobbs | Where the selector says exactly what elements you're affecting, and the properties actually do the changing. :) |
| 01:39:51 | raster | scanline: yeah. the server(s) are a network of them round the world all runing revers squid caches so it'll get you about the best bandwidht you can get. |
| 01:40:09 | raster | scanline: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :) man. and hats just software rendeirng code... :) |
| 01:40:17 | raster | scanline: this is why i just love doing thsi stuff.. it pays off :) |
| 01:42:29 | erikd | uhmm... does qt on the z not have QFileDialog::getSaveFileName or something? |
| 01:42:31 | scanline | could probably do this in picogui with an evas video driver, animated scrolling/sizing, and some extra primitives |
| 01:44:07 | raster | scanline: you reckon? :) |
| 01:44:22 | scanline | sure |
| 01:44:41 | scanline | and then you could have the same app running with all this eye candy, or on some lowly vt100 terminal :) |
| 01:44:56 | raster | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 01:44:58 | raster | errrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 01:44:59 | raster | yeah |
| 01:44:59 | raster | :) |
| 01:45:09 | scanline | is serious |
| 01:45:11 | raster | considers aalib evas engine |
| 01:45:17 | scanline | bah |
| 01:45:22 | raster | realises how pointless that woudl be and moves on... |
| 01:45:23 | raster | :) |
| 01:45:29 | scanline | seen picogui running in ncurses? It's almost useful |
| 01:45:35 | raster | nup |
| 01:45:40 | raster | i just got the cvs snapshot right now |
| 01:45:47 | scanline | rummages for a screenshot |
| 01:45:58 | scanline | raster: right now the ncurses and sdlgl drivers won't compile because I need to fix the font code |
| 01:46:00 | oGMo | woot |
| 01:46:01 | raster | have you tested pg's speed on the z an ipaq? |
| 01:46:07 | oGMo | maybe i'll try OZ3 now :) |
| 01:46:14 | TheMasterMind1 | oGMo: heheh |
| 01:46:19 | scanline | raster: it runs great on the Z, I don't have an iPaq but other people have tried it |
| 01:46:19 | oGMo | erp... d'oh! |
| 01:46:32 | raster | scanline: shodul run the same speed. :) |
| 01:46:37 | scanline | yep |
| 01:46:41 | raster | scanline: how about animation/updating ? |
| 01:46:42 | oGMo | i forgot it was 16MB... heh... time to log some hours on the ps2 |
| 01:46:54 | raster | i've noticed qtopia has a little to be desired speed wise |
| 01:46:55 | TheMasterMind1 | what's 16mb? |
| 01:46:55 | raster | ok |
| 01:46:56 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 01:46:57 | raster | a lot actually |
| 01:46:58 | raster | :) |
| 01:47:05 | scanline | raster: picogui is a lot faster than Opie at all things I've tried |
| 01:47:07 | TheMasterMind1 | picogui is 0wn |
| 01:47:24 | raster | scanline: not too hard to manage :) |
| 01:47:42 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/ncurses_scribble.png <-- picogui on ncurses |
| 01:47:47 | raster | scanline: just wodnerig if it has ast enough back end code to do things lierk animation.fading/sliding etc. |
| 01:47:53 | oGMo | picogui? |
| 01:47:57 | raster | hehehehe |
| 01:48:00 | raster | man thats ugly!@ |
| 01:48:01 | raster | :) |
| 01:48:22 | oGMo | hahaha |
| 01:48:24 | oGMo | thta rocls |
| 01:48:34 | scanline | raster: sure. The rendering engine is easily extensible. it already handles alpha blending. No animation/sliding/fading yet, but since the server has a lot of high-level information about what's going on it should be easy to implement |
| 01:48:39 | oGMo | er that rocks... damnit raster you're contagious |
| 01:48:57 | raster | oGMo: ? |
| 01:49:08 | oGMo | raster: nm ;) |
| 01:49:12 | scanline | raster: well, apps that assume you're using pixels like that scribble pad suck on ncurses, but a terminal emulator or app that uses normal widgets works pretty well for being in text mode |
| 01:49:20 | oGMo | typorific |
| 01:49:52 | raster | scanline: hmmm cool. very interesting. just compiling pgserevra nd cli_c atm |
| 01:50:02 | scanline | raster: picogui's ncurses driver just treats characters like they're pixels, and uses a theme and font engine that accounts for that |
| 01:50:12 | scanline | raster: lots of compile-time options :) |
| 01:51:24 | raster | ok |
| 01:51:30 | raster | compiling picogui apps |
| 01:51:38 | raster | scanline: what are your plans for pg? |
| 01:51:49 | bisho | Hi! |
| 01:51:57 | bisho | My Zaurus did not flash the zImage and initrd.img |
| 01:52:00 | raster | it loosk like tis moved a fair bit since i looked at it last about a year ago |
| 01:52:06 | bisho | :( |
| 01:52:09 | scanline | raster: in short, to make it useful for writing apps that will easily run on as many different devices as possible |
| 01:52:11 | bisho | Ir supports CF of 256 Mb? |
| 01:52:19 | bisho | I have a CF card from a friend of that size |
| 01:52:49 | scanline | raster: since all the layout and widget code is in the server, you can implement animation or change the appearance without any change to the app |
| 01:53:33 | oGMo | no bootflags.txt anymore eh? |
| 01:53:41 | erikd | nope |
| 01:53:50 | oGMo | cool. i never got that anyway. ;) |
| 01:53:54 | erikd | hehe |
| 01:54:28 | raster | scanline: defintiely. just back to my roudn trip q.. does he protocol involve lots of roudn trips? |
| 01:54:44 | oGMo | lags out |
| 01:55:30 | scanline | raster: depends on what you're doing, but usually yes. If you create a string, the server will respond with that string, then you can send another request using it. If you have a lot of drawing requests or something else that you don't care about a response from, you can batch those together into one round trip |
| 01:55:46 | scanline | raster: the protocol could use some optimization, but is already way faster than X |
| 01:55:51 | ljp | bootflag.txt sets the runtime level |
| 01:56:40 | scanline | raster: when I refactor the server's network code, it shoudl be possible for it to simulataneously support several connection methods, including the current TCP/IP protocol, unix sockets, SHM, or OS-specific message passing mechanisms |
| 01:57:23 | kryhme | wow, this channel has really grown |
| 01:57:33 | scanline | raster: the server can do most things without even talking to the client though. If you take an app like the Connect Four game for example, and CTRL-Z it or unplug a network cable, you can still resize the app, and the game board will resize smoothly.. you can still click the buttons, but they won't do anything until the app comes back |
| 02:01:00 | erikd | sighs |
| 02:01:10 | raster | sorry |
| 02:01:12 | raster | hpone calls |
| 02:01:14 | raster | :) |
| 02:01:30 | Cloudchaser | i have a totally OT question for anyone |
| 02:01:34 | erikd | my gcc is really screwed up or something |
| 02:01:47 | hobbs | totally OT? sounds like a job for hobbs! |
| 02:01:52 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 02:01:53 | erikd | hehe |
| 02:01:55 | Cloudchaser | ok here goes |
| 02:02:02 | Cloudchaser | i have a big document with columns |
| 02:02:03 | ljp | wait! |
| 02:02:07 | raster | scanline: can i suggest... i was goign to put this into the evas server arch. iv'e been planing the protocol for a year now... have the client allocate object id's. |
| 02:02:09 | Cloudchaser | cept instead of tabs, there's spaces |
| 02:02:22 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:02:28 | erikd | find and replace! |
| 02:02:32 | raster | scanline: so the client creates local object id and then just sends it across with "new object of <this> id, with these properties> |
| 02:02:33 | erikd | or sed |
| 02:02:33 | raster | no round trip |
| 02:02:33 | raster | :) |
| 02:02:37 | bisho | anybody knows if Zaurus support flashing from a CF 256 Mb? |
| 02:02:38 | raster | startup shoudl be really fast |
| 02:02:44 | bisho | When I press C + D + Hard Reset, the two leds turn on, but only a second |
| 02:02:48 | raster | any errors during thsi rpcoess coudl eb sent back asyncronously |
| 02:02:52 | bisho | The flahsfing does not start |
| 02:03:08 | Cloudchaser | ljp i just started that one off, but the problem is...the last column has a description and all the words are separated by spaces |
| 02:03:25 | STrRedWolf | looks around... |
| 02:03:33 | scanline | raster: that's a good idea, and it's been suggested before (but for a different reason) ... will probably eventually implement that, but for now it isn't a high priority |
| 02:03:41 | bisho | And I have followed all the instructions of openzaurus.org |
| 02:04:16 | hobbs | Cloudchaser: I don't know about sed, but in perl it's fairly easy to say "split the first N sections into *here*, and leave the whole remainder *here*). |
| 02:04:24 | hobbs | er. s/\)/"/ |
| 02:05:10 | Cloudchaser | oh thank you hobbs :0 unfortunately i've no idea how to do that |
| 02:05:40 | hobbs | it would just be @fields = split ' ', $string, $nfields; |
| 02:06:09 | hobbs | where $nfields is the number of fields you have -- including the last. |
| 02:06:12 | STrRedWolf | wonders if folks have been able to get the on-screen keyboard's Control key working... |
| 02:06:59 | scanline | raster: you'd still need a global handle ID so that apps can refer to handles they didn't create, and a way to map between them. It'd be a bit like an MMU I guess |
| 02:07:21 | | kryhme: huh? |
| 02:07:21 | kryhme | ibot prboom |
| 02:07:29 | raster | scanline: oh. ok. jhust that this round trip thing is actually the performance killer over wireless (ie gsm. gprs et.c) where latency is massive |
| 02:07:33 | | kryhme: i'm not following you... |
| 02:07:33 | kryhme | ibot search prboom |
| 02:07:37 | kryhme | damn you |
| 02:08:25 | raster | scanline: aaaaaaah minor diff betwene pg and my arch. client side has data structs for everything anwyay so client side knows state always. only when you call flush() or render( does it flush across CHANGES for the object (sicn eit has the previosu and current state it can calulate what changed an donyl send object proeprty deltas) |
| 02:08:33 | scanline | raster: yep. Might be able to do something as simple as use part of the handle space as an application-allocated area, then make a request that maps the last handle created by that app into this app-defined area as well as the global handle space |
| 02:08:55 | raster | scanline: also my arch didnt allow access to other client objects. minues: harder to playw ith other apps stufgf, plus: security & simpler :) |
| 02:09:12 | scanline | raster: ah. I try to keep the client code as simple and flexible as possible so it's easy to write client libs for new languages |
| 02:09:34 | scanline | raster: hmm.... this handle-remapping request would actually be pretty easy to implement, and using it in the client lib would be optional |
| 02:09:38 | raster | scanline: yeah. liek if you ue 32bit obji'ds the upper 8bits coudl be client id for example (limits you to lets say 255 clients but hey... will you need that many?) |
| 02:10:08 | raster | it woudl make setup and all sorts of stuff much faster over low latency links |
| 02:10:10 | raster | whcih is a big issue |
| 02:10:34 | scanline | raster: I was thinking you'd just have the handle space split in half or something, with a global part and an application-defined part. There's already something similar used for widget templates |
| 02:11:06 | kryhme | hey i'm trying to reload the sharp rom, and it's giving me a message. couldn't find ext2 superblock... could this be a 0 length partition....blah blah ... attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 02:11:06 | scanline | raster: the app would have a request for mapping a handle into this app-defined space without a round-trip where it could use it, if it needed a handle it could send to another app it would just wait for the round trip and use the global handle |
| 02:11:10 | kryhme | any ideas? |
| 02:11:38 | scanline | raster: that would optimize for the common case of allocating a handle and immediately referring to it, but still keep all the flexibility the current system has |
| 02:11:54 | raster | scanline: oooh. rendeirng artifacts! :) |
| 02:11:56 | erikd | QFileDialog *fileDialog; |
| 02:11:56 | erikd | fileDialog = new QFileDialog( this, "fileDialog" ); |
| 02:12:01 | scanline | raster: eek. where? |
| 02:12:05 | erikd | do you guys see -anything- wrong with that code? |
| 02:12:13 | raster | fluidity theme |
| 02:12:15 | raster | and demo app |
| 02:12:19 | raster | clicking "flatbutton" |
| 02:12:23 | raster | doesnt redraew properyl |
| 02:12:32 | scanline | oh yeah |
| 02:12:33 | raster | leaves areas at edge of flatbutotn not redrawn |
| 02:12:36 | scanline | that's a bug in the sprites actually |
| 02:12:49 | raster | i think it might be to dow ith the cursor |
| 02:12:51 | raster | ahhahaahha |
| 02:12:51 | raster | :) |
| 02:12:55 | erikd | anyone? |
| 02:12:57 | scanline | haven't tracked it down yet, but it's in the bug tracker |
| 02:13:06 | ljp | erikd: only thing wrong might be that the sharp rom does not have a QFileDialog configured in |
| 02:13:20 | erikd | bah |
| 02:13:31 | erikd | so how am i supposed to get a filename? |
| 02:14:11 | raster | scanline: aaah ok. |
| 02:14:17 | ljp | 1) use FileSelector, 2) Use the fileBrowser widget gizmo floating about |
| 02:14:32 | raster | scanline: man doign the blurs must be nice and expensive :) |
| 02:14:33 | ljp | 3) write your own |
| 02:14:47 | treke|home | 4) Use opie |
| 02:15:13 | erikd | hrm |
| 02:15:34 | erikd | they sure don't make it easy, do they? |
| 02:15:34 | raster | eeeek! |
| 02:15:40 | scanline | raster: depends.. there are actually three different blurring engines it might be using. If you haven't turned on any of the 'fast blurring' options or you aren't in 16bpp it's falling back to the default blurring code which is darn slow since it has to be compatible with any video driver. If you're using the "faster blurring" in 16bpp it's fast enough to be pretty much instant on the zaurus |
| 02:15:41 | raster | 98bpp in picogui looks awful! |
| 02:15:49 | scanline | 98bpp?? |
| 02:15:55 | raster | hmm |
| 02:16:40 | raster | err |
| 02:16:42 | raster | 8bpp |
| 02:16:42 | raster | :) |
| 02:16:55 | hobbs | I want 98bpp. :) |
| 02:17:00 | scanline | oh yeah... there hasn't been much need for 8bbp, so it only supports using a static pallete |
| 02:17:04 | hobbs | oh, and a gig of video-ram. :) |
| 02:17:17 | raster | scanline: hehee. this is on a 1.6ghz athlon :) i doubt i can notice :) |
| 02:17:18 | scanline | raster: if you turn on dithering support and use the Visibone palette it's not too bad |
| 02:18:01 | raster | scanline: yeah. evas's x 8bpp handling uses the visbone 216color palete with a 128x128 dithe rmask (unless you use small dither mask option) |
| 02:18:02 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=69 <-- picogui in 8bbp with dithering |
| 02:18:06 | raster | loosk semi-decent |
| 02:19:15 | scanline | It's pretty fast too, since it dithers at load-time only and optionally uses a lookup table for converting RGB colors to palette entries |
| 02:19:16 | kryhme | how do you format a cf card? |
| 02:19:36 | raster | scanline: EWWWW1 at LOAd time1 ugly! |
| 02:19:38 | raster | aaah |
| 02:19:40 | raster | well |
| 02:19:40 | raster | i know |
| 02:19:43 | scanline | why? |
| 02:19:43 | raster | you dont have to SCALe images |
| 02:19:46 | scanline | yep :) |
| 02:19:49 | raster | thats why you can afford to do that |
| 02:19:49 | raster | :) |
| 02:20:06 | scanline | IMHO you shouldn't be using scaling anyway on any system that has only 8bpp |
| 02:20:42 | raster | well |
| 02:20:44 | raster | not necessairluy |
| 02:20:50 | raster | evas does all ti stuf fin 32bpp |
| 02:20:54 | raster | inernally |
| 02:21:18 | scanline | that's too slow for a lot of the platforms picogui has to support |
| 02:21:21 | raster | and only on a final to output phase does ti do any rotate/downrender to screen depth & dither |
| 02:21:21 | erikd | what's the mime type for an xml file? just text/plain? |
| 02:21:37 | STrRedWolf | application/x-xml? |
| 02:21:42 | raster | the results look basicalyl like it was all a photo but coinverted to the screen depth at the end like a "save as gif" kind of job. |
| 02:21:46 | raster | hmm |
| 02:21:50 | erikd | is that it? |
| 02:21:51 | raster | seems to work just fine fo revas |
| 02:21:51 | raster | :) |
| 02:21:52 | hobbs | I thought there was a text/xml |
| 02:21:52 | scanline | raster: normally picogui converts from 32bpp to a hardware-specific format (5-6-5 RGB, palette index...) as soon as possible |
| 02:21:57 | erikd | googles |
| 02:21:58 | raster | i spent a lot of time optimising the downrender code for that |
| 02:22:11 | raster | works just spiffily on the ipaq and z |
| 02:22:11 | raster | :) |
| 02:22:12 | scanline | raster: tried running evas on a 32mhz 68000? :) |
| 02:22:12 | hobbs | it should be text/*, not application/, because it is a "readable" text format. |
| 02:22:27 | raster | scanline: not recently :) |
| 02:23:01 | scanline | raster: hehe. besides, it's all up to the driver. The driver defines all primitives, including color conversion, so you could write a driver that uses 32bpp as its internal format and dithers/quantizes only when it actually draws |
| 02:23:14 | erikd | i see both application/xml and text/xml |
| 02:23:42 | raster | scanline: that'd be my preference. much nicer when doign alpha blending, scalign etc. :) |
| 02:23:50 | erikd | will use text/xml |
| 02:24:07 | scanline | raster: yep. Alpha blending in picogui is usually ugly in 8bpp and lower |
| 02:24:24 | raster | hell yeah! |
| 02:24:35 | scanline | raster: but all the platforms I use that are less than 16bpp I want all the speed I can get |
| 02:26:01 | raster | aaah |
| 02:26:04 | raster | i'm kind of starting at 16bpp |
| 02:26:12 | raster | going down to 8bpp |
| 02:26:15 | raster | but aiming up from there |
| 02:26:43 | scanline | Just curious what you'd have that's 8bpp only but has enough power for evas... maybe a tuxscreen, but it's LCD is pretty low quality anyway |
| 02:27:35 | raster | hmmm |
| 02:27:36 | raster | not sure |
| 02:27:38 | raster | bbl |
| 02:27:38 | raster | lunch |
| 02:27:43 | scanline | ttyl raster |
| 02:28:58 | br33zy | moo |
| 02:29:08 | boog_z | oink |
| 02:29:16 | erikd | ribbit |
| 02:29:20 | br33zy | moo |
| 02:29:21 | boog_z | lol |
| 02:29:34 | boog_z | whats up all? |
| 02:29:39 | br33zy | ceiling here |
| 02:29:40 | STrRedWolf | Wulf. |
| 02:29:54 | br33zy | that was late |
| 02:29:59 | boog_z | here too br33zy |
| 02:30:05 | br33zy | awesome |
| 02:30:09 | br33zy | we have something in common |
| 02:30:10 | br33zy | :-D |
| 02:30:12 | br33zy | lol |
| 02:30:14 | erikd | is getting mad at statgrapher |
| 02:30:17 | boog_z | got beer and my z |
| 02:30:28 | br33zy | i got my z |
| 02:30:31 | boog_z | life ias fgood |
| 02:30:38 | br33zy | damn |
| 02:30:40 | br33zy | your drunk |
| 02:30:42 | br33zy | j/k |
| 02:30:46 | boog_z | and I cant type |
| 02:30:49 | boog_z | lol |
| 02:31:45 | boog_z | I'm not as think as you drunked I am |
| 02:31:47 | br33zy | heh |
| 02:31:52 | br33zy | great combination |
| 02:31:57 | br33zy | Moo |
| 02:32:12 | boog_z | lol |
| 02:33:08 | boog_z | nite all |
| 02:34:16 | br33zy | ya'll fullamoo |
| 02:34:52 | erikd | can i depend on $HOME/Documents/applications being around? |
| 02:35:15 | erikd | in either the sharp rom or oz |
| 02:36:41 | br33zy | i dont |
| 02:36:43 | br33zy | :) |
| 02:36:44 | erikd | can i depend on #ZAURUS/people/notidling being around? |
| 02:36:52 | erikd | ah |
| 02:36:54 | br33zy | no way |
| 02:36:57 | erikd | hehe |
| 02:37:04 | br33zy | we gotta idle |
| 02:37:10 | br33zyidle | :) |
| 02:37:11 | erikd | pfft |
| 02:37:13 | erikd | dies |
| 02:37:14 | hobbs | erikd: you need ircdevfs installed. |
| 02:37:22 | br33zy | lol |
| 02:37:24 | erikd | haha |
| 02:37:26 | hobbs | /dev/irc/opn/#zaurus/people/not-idling |
| 02:37:26 | STrRedWolf | ircdevfs?!? |
| 02:37:52 | br33zy | i tried that once.. |
| 02:37:53 | br33zy | j/k |
| 02:38:05 | hobbs | STrRedWolf: of course, it's the latest innovation from the fine folks at Acme Linux Systems. |
| 02:38:39 | Snipah | re all |
| 02:38:48 | br33zy | hi Snipah |
| 02:39:39 | Cloudchaser | hello ;) |
| 02:44:44 | STrRedWolf | Eh. Anyone know about a problem in the the tabbed Terminal and the onscreen keyboard? |
| 02:45:21 | hobbs | I thought that embeddedkonsole-tabs fixed that problem, and only qpe-terminal was broken. |
| 02:45:22 | STrRedWolf | Try doing Control-c and get regular c. |
| 02:45:23 | treke|home | STrRedWolf: care to be more specific? |
| 02:45:34 | treke|home | STrRedWolf: known problem |
| 02:45:48 | STrRedWolf | I'm using the latest embededkonsole-tabs |
| 02:46:00 | hobbs | hrm. maybe I'm just wrong then. :) |
| 02:46:18 | treke|home | hobbs: I know it works fine in OPIE, but I thought it was a hacked qt |
| 02:46:38 | STrRedWolf | Yeah. I'm not using OPIE, unfortunately (no CF card) |
| 02:49:05 | erikd | what's a command i can use to echo all the environment vars? |
| 02:49:23 | hobbs | is "env" there? |
| 02:49:32 | erikd | yup, thanks |
| 02:49:45 | hobbs | no problem. |
| 02:50:24 | erikd | hrm |
| 02:50:34 | erikd | i can't find a way to get the default documents dir |
| 02:50:38 | TheMasterMind1 | export |
| 02:51:39 | erikd | can someone with the sharp rom and terminal installed do an ls ~/Documents for me? |
| 02:53:38 | STrRedWolf | Mine lists 'application, image, text' |
| 02:53:46 | erikd | cool, thanks |
| 02:53:50 | hobbs | same here, plus audio. |
| 02:56:33 | danie | I am having a problem w/ OZ 3.0 |
| 02:56:50 | danie | I flashed it and it is stuck at the Sharp boot screen |
| 02:57:00 | danie | I have flashed it before.... |
| 02:57:07 | danie | I dunno what the problem is |
| 02:57:16 | danie | I should be getting a openzaurus screen |
| 02:57:46 | danie | any1? |
| 02:59:10 | danie | It says to raname initrd |
| 02:59:14 | danie | but it already is |
| 02:59:24 | erikd | no, you need initrd.bin and zImage |
| 02:59:30 | danie | I have both |
| 02:59:35 | erikd | with those names |
| 02:59:37 | danie | And I renamed xImage |
| 02:59:40 | danie | zImage |
| 02:59:46 | danie | and initrd |
| 02:59:49 | erikd | initrd.bin is the 14MB+ one |
| 02:59:57 | erikd | zImage is the 800k one |
| 03:00:03 | danie | I know |
| 03:00:06 | danie | I have both |
| 03:00:10 | danie | that I am sure of |
| 03:00:17 | erikd | you have initrd.bin or initrd? |
| 03:00:31 | kergoth`out | danie: the zImage didnt flash at the least. the initrd.bin may or may not have flashed. |
| 03:00:43 | Speedy2 | re kergoth |
| 03:00:44 | erikd | yay for kergoth! |
| 03:00:51 | danie | Ok... well |
| 03:00:53 | danie | now what> |
| 03:00:56 | erikd | goes back to kicking sg |
| 03:00:57 | Snipah | how is OZ? |
| 03:01:00 | danie | how do I fix it |
| 03:01:02 | danie | ? |
| 03:01:03 | erikd | oz is > * |
| 03:01:14 | erikd | danie: make sure you have the filenames right and try reflashing |
| 03:01:14 | danie | I tried twice |
| 03:01:20 | Snipah | is OZ really that good? |
| 03:01:20 | erikd | did you hard reset after? |
| 03:01:22 | danie | zImage.... |
| 03:01:27 | erikd | snipah: i like it |
| 03:01:28 | danie | and initrd.bin |
| 03:01:35 | kergoth | danie: either 1) filenames arent correct, 2) they're corrupt or invalid, or 3) something is wrong with your card/filesystem |
| 03:01:43 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 03:01:43 | danie | ok... |
| 03:01:49 | kergoth | Snipah: i like it too ;-) |
| 03:01:51 | danie | hmmm.... d/l it again |
| 03:01:53 | Snipah | i will flash and check out OZ tomorrow |
| 03:01:55 | Snipah | brb |
| 03:01:57 | danie | I put it on cd |
| 03:02:01 | erikd | hehe, yeah... you're not biased ;) |
| 03:02:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:02:39 | kergoth | danie: check the md5sums. we have them for a reason |
| 03:02:42 | treke|home | hmm |
| 03:02:47 | treke|home | In Qt/Embedded 2.2.1, smooth fonts use 8 times as much memory as non-smooth fonts. This multiplier will be reduced to a configurable 2 or 4 (ie. 4-level and 16-level shading rather than the current excessive 256-level shading). |
| 03:02:51 | danie | I am trying another card |
| 03:03:20 | kergoth | treke|home: yup, doc.trolltech.com's fonts page right? |
| 03:03:27 | treke|home | wonder if thats true for 2.3, could be helpful to keep in mind for 5000d users |
| 03:03:28 | treke|home | kergoth: yup |
| 03:03:31 | danie | then I will d/l it agin... |
| 03:03:42 | danie | I could check the md5sum... |
| 03:03:45 | danie | I will do that |
| 03:03:46 | hobbs | 256 for real? that is rather excessive. :) |
| 03:03:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:04:20 | kergoth | treke|home: indeed. but you can turn smooth on and off in the fontdir file.. currently the ttf-openoffice packages add entries with smooth on.. |
| 03:04:56 | treke|home | kergoth: I'm referring to qt/embedded. I dont care much how much ram it takes on my desktop :) |
| 03:05:13 | treke|home | I've got ram to spare there ;) |
| 03:05:36 | kergoth | i'm referring to qt/e as well :) |
| 03:05:56 | erikd | ... they have oo for qt/e? |
| 03:05:57 | treke|home | ttf-oppenoffice and fontdir files in qt/e? |
| 03:06:51 | treke|home | kergoth: are ttfs currently usable for qt/e? |
| 03:06:59 | treke|home | erikd: not likely :) |
| 03:07:13 | treke|home | kergoth: and I mean usefully usable |
| 03:07:18 | ljp | treke: yes |
| 03:07:28 | erikd | so ttf-openoffice is not openoffice? |
| 03:07:30 | ljp | I updated the libfreetype |
| 03:07:33 | erikd | or part of it |
| 03:07:37 | treke|home | erikd: its the fonts from it |
| 03:07:40 | ljp | no, those are just fonts from oo |
| 03:07:43 | erikd | ah |
| 03:07:55 | treke|home | ljp: ah cool. Last I had heard it was wasting ram like kde |
| 03:08:08 | ljp | maybe.. |
| 03:08:52 | treke|home | maybe I'll try it and find out |
| 03:08:59 | ljp | havent done any memory tests really |
| 03:09:16 | ljp | I've been running it on x86 fine for two weeks or so |
| 03:09:28 | kergoth | treke|home: harlekin said something about it reallocating the memory for glyphs on each app run, rather than having a shared cache |
| 03:09:37 | treke|home | kergoth: Thats what I heard also |
| 03:09:39 | kergoth | treke|home: but i know jack about fonts, so i didnt catch much :) |
| 03:10:11 | Speedy2 | Wow. Epson has been REALLY cool about getting their shit going under Linux, etc. A positive sign. |
| 03:10:46 | hobbs | I just don't like their printers. :) |
| 03:11:05 | Speedy2 | Their printers are among the best |
| 03:11:09 | hobbs | actually, they're not horrible, but I prefer HP's overall. :) |
| 03:11:10 | ljp | Epson.. dont they make salts? |
| 03:11:29 | Speedy2 | That's Epsom <--- "m" insted of "n" |
| 03:11:34 | ljp | hehehe |
| 03:11:43 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 03:11:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:12:16 | ljp | ahh no wonder my potatoes turned all black when I shook some Epson 'salt' on them |
| 03:12:38 | Speedy2 | Oh that was pretty terrrible |
| 03:12:49 | erikd | at least you didn't use the canon brand |
| 03:12:56 | erikd | you wouldn't have any potatoes left |
| 03:13:37 | erikd | ... |
| 03:13:40 | erikd | runs |
| 03:13:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:14:13 | erikd | yeah... that was pretty bad. i'll admit it |
| 03:17:49 | erikd | ARGH!@#$ |
| 03:17:52 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:18:09 | erikd | statgrapher -refuses- to compile correctly |
| 03:18:13 | hobbs | canonizes erikd |
| 03:18:15 | erikd | stuff i know should work isn't |
| 03:18:24 | kergoth | fun |
| 03:18:45 | erikd | is about to give up |
| 03:18:46 | hobbs | oops, I meant to say cannonize. :) |
| 03:19:05 | erikd | then darien would prolly kill me |
| 03:19:05 | erikd | ... |
| 03:19:05 | erikd | hmmm |
| 03:21:09 | Speedy2 | GNU... |
| 03:21:43 | danie | STUPID Z!! |
| 03:21:48 | danie | It is not flashing |
| 03:21:58 | danie | the old one had a small txt |
| 03:22:05 | danie | is that needed anymore? |
| 03:22:09 | kergoth | naw, not required |
| 03:22:11 | erikd | nope |
| 03:22:20 | danie | darnit |
| 03:22:21 | erikd | danie: what brand/size cf card? |
| 03:22:41 | danie | Sandisk 32 meg |
| 03:22:46 | danie | I also tried a 64 |
| 03:22:52 | danie | neither worked |
| 03:23:01 | danie | I am d/ling them again' |
| 03:23:11 | danie | I am on 56 k |
| 03:23:12 | erikd | did you md5 check the files while they were on the cf card? |
| 03:23:39 | danie | no... |
| 03:23:46 | danie | I did it on the CD. |
| 03:23:54 | erikd | did they match on the cd? |
| 03:24:14 | Speedy2 | danie: What are you using to download? Wget would be a good idea if it's "http" |
| 03:24:39 | danie | I used a windows NT machine |
| 03:24:42 | danie | heeh |
| 03:24:43 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 03:24:44 | Speedy2 | But |
| 03:24:48 | danie | It was at my schools t1 line |
| 03:24:50 | Speedy2 | wget is available for Windows |
| 03:24:58 | danie | I then sent it over the network.. |
| 03:25:01 | Speedy2 | I use it (or used to when I had my computer0 |
| 03:25:04 | danie | And burned it to CD... |
| 03:25:17 | danie | A lot of steps = errors |
| 03:25:37 | Speedy2 | Well did you md5 check what's on the CD ? |
| 03:25:40 | TheMasterMind1 | Speedy2: make us a IR remote control app for the Z :) |
| 03:25:58 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: Buy me a lot of time and I will. |
| 03:26:04 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:26:05 | celloboy | what's wrong with opie-remote |
| 03:26:08 | TheMasterMind1 | dcc's Speedy2 some time |
| 03:26:14 | TheMasterMind1 | celloboy: it doesn't work on the Z |
| 03:26:20 | erikd | danie: did you compare the md5 hashes you got with the ones on openzaurus.org? |
| 03:26:25 | celloboy | oh |
| 03:26:44 | Speedy2 | I suspect it has something to do with all that C++. Hehe |
| 03:26:49 | danie | I am throwing on an ol beta of OZ... |
| 03:26:54 | danie | see if that works.. |
| 03:27:04 | danie | Is their a migration path by any chance... |
| 03:27:21 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 03:27:30 | erikd | danie: did you compare the md5 hashes you got with the ones on openzaurus.org? |
| 03:27:33 | danie | from beta 10.. to the new one.. |
| 03:27:38 | danie | yes!! |
| 03:27:48 | erikd | ... you didn't answer me before |
| 03:27:53 | erikd | and they were wrong? |
| 03:27:59 | danie | I am sorry I thought I did.. |
| 03:28:04 | danie | no .. they were ok |
| 03:28:12 | erikd | then you don't need to download it again |
| 03:28:13 | kryhme | crap, what's that site |
| 03:28:15 | danie | they checked good... |
| 03:28:15 | erikd | you have the right files |
| 03:28:22 | kryhme | kilefilez.de |
| 03:28:46 | erikd | try copying them over to the cf card and then md5 them when they're on the cf card |
| 03:28:48 | danie | can Md5sum be wrong? |
| 03:28:59 | danie | hold on.. |
| 03:29:24 | erikd | well, the chances of getting a wrong md5sum that's the same as the right one is probably pretty rare |
| 03:29:29 | raster | bak |
| 03:29:33 | erikd | wb |
| 03:29:51 | Speedy2 | Do you have a USB CF reader or a laptop? |
| 03:29:58 | Speedy2 | Maybe you can put it on CF and then do an MD5 |
| 03:30:09 | danie | usb |
| 03:30:10 | Speedy2 | By chance, does anyone here use any of the high speed Lexar or high speed Sandisk CF cards? |
| 03:30:23 | danie | the old beta isnt working... |
| 03:30:24 | erikd | not i |
| 03:30:34 | danie | It USED to work!!!!! |
| 03:30:37 | danie | arrgghh |
| 03:30:43 | danie | now this is really strange |
| 03:30:52 | danie | The default Zaurus ROM works... |
| 03:31:01 | danie | Both OZes dont |
| 03:31:02 | erikd | flash to sharp's rom and then back |
| 03:31:28 | danie | I did |
| 03:31:37 | danie | I went... new OZ... |
| 03:31:42 | danie | NEw OZ again |
| 03:31:47 | danie | sharp rom |
| 03:31:51 | danie | old oz |
| 03:31:54 | Speedy2 | danie: Reformat the CF card? |
| 03:31:55 | erikd | hmm |
| 03:31:56 | Speedy2 | FDISK it? |
| 03:32:09 | TheMasterMind1 | danie: did you rename the files? |
| 03:32:15 | TheMasterMind1 | the CF is vfat? |
| 03:32:25 | TheMasterMind1 | two files on the root of the CF |
| 03:32:31 | TheMasterMind1 | zImage and initrd.bin |
| 03:32:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 03:33:15 | erikd | QObject::connect: No such signal QVBoxLayout::clicked() |
| 03:33:16 | danie | yes... |
| 03:33:18 | erikd | *sigh* |
| 03:33:25 | danie | voth CFs are vfat |
| 03:33:47 | Speedy2 | Just as I suspected, C++. |
| 03:33:47 | danie | I wonder if it is the card reader |
| 03:34:00 | Speedy2 | Well do the MD5 off the image on the CF Card!? |
| 03:34:56 | danie | that is coming up OK |
| 03:35:30 | erikd | hrm. what pisses me off is i know for a fact that cmdExportProceed is a QButton and -not- a QVBoxLayout |
| 03:36:05 | danie | Ok... when I flash the zaurus |
| 03:36:30 | danie | do I want the switch in the normal or replace position |
| 03:36:36 | erikd | replace |
| 03:36:46 | danie | ok.... |
| 03:36:51 | danie | I am doing that right |
| 03:36:58 | erikd | then hold c+d and press hard reset |
| 03:37:16 | erikd | the 2 lights will go on solid, then go off |
| 03:37:22 | erikd | after that you press hard reset again |
| 03:37:24 | danie | ok...... |
| 03:37:32 | danie | check, check and check |
| 03:37:32 | erikd | then go back to normal with the switch |
| 03:37:40 | danie | ok... |
| 03:37:47 | erikd | and then turn it on |
| 03:37:52 | erikd | and you've done that... |
| 03:37:56 | danie | That I didnt do |
| 03:38:05 | danie | I would Haset |
| 03:38:13 | danie | Hard reset |
| 03:38:22 | danie | and the then I would move the switch |
| 03:38:26 | danie | could that be it |
| 03:38:29 | danie | ? |
| 03:38:46 | erikd | you want to hard reset in replace |
| 03:38:49 | erikd | then switch it to normal |
| 03:39:05 | danie | ok |
| 03:39:08 | danie | I did that |
| 03:39:11 | danie | no work |
| 03:39:14 | danie | this is odd |
| 03:39:19 | danie | very odd... |
| 03:39:21 | erikd | you're sure you have the filenames right? :) |
| 03:39:26 | erikd | i did that last night myself |
| 03:39:29 | danie | both ones arent woking |
| 03:39:40 | danie | zImage, and initrd.bin |
| 03:40:01 | erikd | are you sure you have the right zImage? either 5000d or 5500? |
| 03:40:13 | danie | 40-24 |
| 03:40:19 | danie | I have the 550 |
| 03:40:22 | danie | 0 |
| 03:40:24 | erikd | hmmm |
| 03:40:32 | erikd | both your cf cards are sandisk? |
| 03:40:45 | danie | correct |
| 03:40:50 | erikd | i had a problem with my 32MB Mr Flash ones last night |
| 03:41:00 | erikd | but the 128MB smartmedia works fine |
| 03:41:02 | danie | but both of them |
| 03:41:14 | Speedy2 | SM/SD is working in OpenZ? |
| 03:41:22 | erikd | is that the same cf you used before? |
| 03:41:29 | danie | Yes... |
| 03:41:39 | danie | I never used the 64 b4.... |
| 03:41:45 | danie | but I used the 32 |
| 03:41:59 | danie | a few time |
| 03:42:02 | danie | s |
| 03:42:05 | erikd | for oz? |
| 03:42:06 | danie | at least 3 or 4 |
| 03:42:19 | erikd | did you reformat 'em since then? |
| 03:42:30 | erikd | make sure they're FAT16 and not FAT32 |
| 03:42:31 | danie | no... |
| 03:42:48 | danie | They are vfats |
| 03:43:04 | danie | makefs.vfat /dev/cf |
| 03:43:08 | erikd | maybe try FAT16? |
| 03:43:19 | erikd | mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 03:43:28 | danie | I havent changed them |
| 03:43:32 | erikd | or /dev/cf |
| 03:43:33 | danie | they worked b4 |
| 03:43:37 | erikd | can't hurt to try |
| 03:43:54 | erikd | nothing else has worked so far, might as well try it |
| 03:44:16 | danie | I am gonna try to send it over from another pc |
| 03:44:29 | erikd | but you md5 checked 'em on the cf card |
| 03:44:30 | danie | Then I will try ur idea |
| 03:44:34 | erikd | and you said they were right |
| 03:44:36 | danie | I will be back |
| 03:44:41 | erikd | that means it transferred correctly |
| 03:44:51 | erikd | sighs |
| 03:45:04 | danie | I dunno I have seen stranger things happen :-) |
| 03:51:05 | Speedy2 | It's too early to be sleeping. |
| 03:53:52 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 17 hours, 5 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: bbot: factinfo bzflag [Wed Oct 30 03:48:37 2002] |
| 03:53:52 | ljp | ibot seen BZFlag |
| 03:55:12 | | His other computer is a 4000 node beowulf cluster. |
| 03:55:12 | erikd | ibot erikd |
| 03:55:15 | erikd | yay! |
| 03:56:30 | | i think speedy2 is obsessed with HP calculators |
| 03:56:30 | Speedy2 | ibot speedy2 |
| 03:56:39 | erikd | ewww |
| 03:56:40 | Speedy2 | True |
| 03:56:48 | erikd | hugs his TI-89 |
| 03:56:53 | Speedy2 | beats erikd |
| 03:56:55 | erikd | hehe |
| 03:57:00 | Speedy2 | I've got a TI-92 |
| 03:57:05 | Speedy2 | Pretty hax0r3d up |
| 03:57:09 | Speedy2 | 256KB of RAM into it |
| 03:57:13 | Speedy2 | And it still sux |
| 03:57:18 | erikd | pfft |
| 03:57:33 | erikd | used to be a part of a programming team for ti calcs called tcpa |
| 03:57:39 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 03:57:51 | erikd | l33test team in the ti community for awhile |
| 03:57:53 | erikd | :) |
| 03:57:55 | Speedy2 | TI calculators blow |
| 03:58:01 | Speedy2 | At least, for real work |
| 03:58:05 | danie | ok... |
| 03:58:12 | danie | I have tried everything |
| 03:58:15 | danie | I have... |
| 03:58:17 | erikd | you reformatted? |
| 03:58:21 | danie | d/led it again |
| 03:58:26 | danie | no... |
| 03:58:29 | danie | I will do that |
| 03:58:32 | erikd | ....................... |
| 03:58:42 | erikd | then you haven't tried everything |
| 03:58:50 | danie | close to everything |
| 03:58:51 | erikd | and why did you download it again? |
| 03:59:04 | erikd | you already know your files you have are good |
| 03:59:34 | danie | I dunno |
| 03:59:39 | danie | ah yeah |
| 04:00:31 | danie | why is my original z working though |
| 04:00:52 | neale | I new a guy named danie once. |
| 04:00:55 | neale | knew |
| 04:01:01 | erikd | waits until danie reformats a cf card fat16, copies zImage and initrd.bin over to that cf, md5 checks the files and reflashes |
| 04:01:12 | erikd | lemme know if that works |
| 04:01:29 | erikd | make sure it's fat 16, not fat 32 |
| 04:01:36 | erikd | vfat is usually fat32 |
| 04:01:42 | erikd | might even be always |
| 04:01:44 | erikd | i'm not sure |
| 04:02:28 | danie | mkfs.fat -t 16 /dev/cf |
| 04:02:31 | danie | right |
| 04:02:32 | danie | ? |
| 04:02:46 | danie | what is the device of the cf card on the Z |
| 04:02:47 | erikd | mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 on the z |
| 04:02:53 | danie | ok |
| 04:02:57 | erikd | make sure you umount /mnt/cf first |
| 04:03:30 | Speedy2 | Or just stick the card into your USB reader and re-format it. |
| 04:03:31 | danie | ok |
| 04:03:40 | erikd | or that |
| 04:03:43 | danie | I dont trust my usb reader |
| 04:03:49 | erikd | but that's not quite as l33t |
| 04:04:06 | Speedy2 | Neither are TI calculators :) |
| 04:04:11 | erikd | !@#$ |
| 04:04:20 | danie | TI rocks ok... |
| 04:04:21 | erikd | i left myself wide open for that =/ |
| 04:04:26 | danie | I love my 89 |
| 04:04:27 | Speedy2 | I live in Texas. |
| 04:04:33 | Speedy2 | I've even worked with TI. |
| 04:04:35 | Speedy2 | Funny |
| 04:04:39 | danie | they are made in Japan |
| 04:04:44 | Speedy2 | Because more engineers at TI have HP calculators than TI ones! |
| 04:04:52 | erikd | hah |
| 04:04:54 | Speedy2 | They are manufactured in Japan |
| 04:04:55 | erikd | that is funny |
| 04:04:58 | Speedy2 | Designed in Texas. |
| 04:05:37 | erikd | danie: you ever heard of TCPA? |
| 04:05:38 | danie | y is our economy in a slump again? |
| 04:05:46 | neale | TI doesn't make an RPN calculator, do they? |
| 04:05:46 | danie | inform me |
| 04:05:52 | Speedy2 | neale: I doubt it. |
| 04:05:59 | danie | no... |
| 04:06:03 | neale | that's probably why they're all using HPs then :) |
| 04:06:08 | Speedy2 | Heheh :) |
| 04:06:12 | Speedy2 | RPN++ |
| 04:06:42 | neale | I'm a big fan of postfix notation. |
| 04:06:57 | Speedy2 | For most mathematical operations, it's a lot more efficient and more intuitive. |
| 04:06:58 | neale | It makes sense if you deal with stacks all day. |
| 04:07:03 | Speedy2 | Or not |
| 04:07:10 | erikd | i don't understand how rpn can be easier or more logical than (x*6)*3)/(4/(y*2)) |
| 04:07:11 | Speedy2 | <-- does not deal with stacks all day. |
| 04:07:16 | Speedy2 | It's a matter of entry |
| 04:07:18 | erikd | and i'm missing a ( |
| 04:07:23 | neale | Well, I don't know if it makes more sense than writing it out the way you would on paper |
| 04:07:25 | Speedy2 | I can compose that equation very quickly with RPN |
| 04:07:27 | neale | but it's a heck of a lot faster |
| 04:07:42 | neale | yeah, I can punch something into an RPN calculator faster than an algebraic one |
| 04:07:47 | Speedy2 | With your TI, you'll be f'ing with parenthesis all day long |
| 04:07:56 | neale | but I think algebraic's got it for ease of use. |
| 04:08:00 | Speedy2 | (I can enter that algebraic expression with RPn a lot faster) |
| 04:08:11 | erikd | how would you enter it with rpn? |
| 04:08:18 | Speedy2 | x 6 * 3* |
| 04:08:21 | erikd | isn't too familiar with it |
| 04:08:22 | Speedy2 | That's one expression |
| 04:08:22 | Speedy2 | then |
| 04:08:23 | Speedy2 | 4 |
| 04:08:29 | Speedy2 | y 2 * |
| 04:08:34 | Speedy2 | (divide) |
| 04:08:35 | neale | x 6 * 3 * 4 y 2 * / / |
| 04:08:37 | Speedy2 | There's the other subexpression |
| 04:08:39 | Speedy2 | then / |
| 04:08:42 | Speedy2 | There you go |
| 04:08:45 | neale | :) |
| 04:08:46 | erikd | geh |
| 04:08:48 | Speedy2 | It seems funny written on IRC |
| 04:08:57 | Speedy2 | But it's a f'loads faster if you see it done |
| 04:09:00 | neale | do it the scheme way |
| 04:09:01 | Speedy2 | And the nice thing about RPN |
| 04:09:05 | Speedy2 | Is you don't have it do it all at once |
| 04:09:07 | Speedy2 | Like I did |
| 04:09:11 | Speedy2 | neale did it all at once |
| 04:09:12 | danie | ok I formatted the card to fat 16 |
| 04:09:20 | Speedy2 | But you can compose the equation on the stack, as you go along |
| 04:09:46 | erikd | danie: copy initrd.bin and zImage to the root of the cf and md5 check 'em on the cf again |
| 04:09:47 | neale | (x*6)*3)/(4/(y*2)) => (/ (* (* x 6) 3) (/ 4 (* y 2))) |
| 04:10:02 | br33zy | 1 + 1 = 3 |
| 04:10:03 | br33zy | :) |
| 04:10:04 | neale | RPN is just the reverse of that. |
| 04:10:09 | br33zy | rpn is |
| 04:10:12 | br33zy | 1 1 + |
| 04:10:13 | tux_mike | hey speedy |
| 04:10:14 | Speedy2 | neale: you program in scheme ? |
| 04:10:17 | Speedy2 | hey tux_mike |
| 04:10:19 | br33zy | instead of |
| 04:10:20 | neale | from time to time |
| 04:10:20 | br33zy | 1 + 1 |
| 04:10:22 | br33zy | :) |
| 04:10:24 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 04:10:29 | Speedy2 | But, as neale and I are pointing out |
| 04:10:33 | neale | right br33zy |
| 04:10:33 | Speedy2 | For complex algebraic expressions |
| 04:10:35 | Speedy2 | You can fly |
| 04:10:37 | br33zy | neale: cool |
| 04:10:39 | tux_mike | speedy: i'm actually programming in asm now :) |
| 04:11:01 | neale | RPN is just a stack |
| 04:11:07 | Speedy2 | like x^2*(y/34*x) + z^(-1) +45*h^5 |
| 04:11:10 | neale | every time you enter a number, it goes on the stack |
| 04:11:17 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: For what processor ? |
| 04:11:22 | neale | whenever you punch an operation, it performs it to the top two things on the stack |
| 04:11:31 | tux_mike | 8051 |
| 04:11:42 | kergoth | neale: yep, rpn makes sense for those who deal with stacks a lot, or for those who -think- in that way |
| 04:12:01 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: I'm sorry, that sux, heh :) |
| 04:12:09 | tux_mike | actually it's fun |
| 04:12:19 | neale | who makes the 8051? |
| 04:12:28 | Speedy2 | When I first got my HP, I didn't think RPN was all that clever. I thought it was stupid. Then I started using it in my chemistry class and I found it was actually f'ing wonderful |
| 04:12:48 | tux_mike | intel came up with it, but hundreds of companies have clones |
| 04:12:53 | Speedy2 | neale: A lot of people make it now, but it was an Intel microprocessor/microcontroller originally |
| 04:13:04 | neale | so it must be like the 4004 |
| 04:13:22 | Speedy2 | Heh. Not too far from it |
| 04:13:29 | Speedy2 | 4004, then 8008, then some other variants. |
| 04:14:13 | danie | hurry up... FLASH!!! |
| 04:14:21 | tux_mike | hrmmm |
| 04:14:33 | danie | I swear erik if this works... |
| 04:14:44 | danie | u are right I was wrong |
| 04:14:52 | erikd | will dance a jig |
| 04:15:06 | danie | here we go |
| 04:15:10 | erikd | hopes he's right because he's out of ideas |
| 04:15:12 | danie | the moment of truth |
| 04:15:27 | danie | sigh |
| 04:15:28 | danie | nope |
| 04:15:31 | erikd | ARGH!@#$ |
| 04:15:55 | tux_mike | hrm... i wonder which computer i should get |
| 04:15:55 | erikd | and you have zImage and not zImage.bin? (i did that last night =) ) |
| 04:15:56 | danie | now what? |
| 04:15:58 | danie | this is odd |
| 04:16:01 | tux_mike | http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P2 this |
| 04:16:06 | Speedy2 | Why can't this flashing operation be done from within Linux? Oh yeah, MMU. |
| 04:16:13 | danie | I have zimage.bin |
| 04:16:16 | tux_mike | http://www.dynamism.com/libretto/specs.shtml or this |
| 04:16:20 | danie | it needs to be zImage |
| 04:16:22 | erikd | geh |
| 04:16:23 | erikd | yeah |
| 04:16:28 | danie | you have got to be kidding me |
| 04:16:29 | kergoth | smacks danie on general principle |
| 04:16:30 | danie | !!!! |
| 04:16:32 | danie | hehe |
| 04:16:35 | erikd | you need: zImage and initrd.bin |
| 04:16:37 | danie | Oh my gosh |
| 04:16:39 | kergoth | danie: *ahem* |
| 04:16:40 | kergoth | danie: RTFM |
| 04:16:43 | kergoth | !!@^%^ |
| 04:16:46 | danie | darn it |
| 04:16:50 | erikd | we've asked you like... 123498 times? |
| 04:16:51 | erikd | :) |
| 04:16:59 | kergoth | erikd: at least |
| 04:17:08 | kergoth | erikd: i'm leaning towards 125897 myself |
| 04:17:18 | erikd | yeah, i was away for a bit |
| 04:17:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:17:27 | erikd | :) |
| 04:17:28 | neale | ha |
| 04:18:44 | | ljp: sorry... |
| 04:18:44 | ljp | ibot: search kergoth "RTFM" |
| 04:18:46 | danie | I am sorry |
| 04:19:00 | danie | I knew you had to rename zimage |
| 04:19:14 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Did you fix the writing to flashing thing? |
| 04:19:56 | kergoth | Speedy2: havent touched anything in kernel space in months |
| 04:20:13 | Speedy2 | 10-4. |
| 04:20:19 | Speedy2 | So how does OpenZ write to FlashROM? |
| 04:20:33 | erikd | !@#$(&@#!($&!@(#$& |
| 04:20:46 | erikd | it's still not working!@#$ |
| 04:20:57 | kergoth | Speedy2: carefully? ;) |
| 04:21:00 | erikd | throws statgrapher across the channel |
| 04:21:11 | kergoth | catches it and throws it back |
| 04:21:19 | erikd | i don't want it |
| 04:21:19 | Speedy2 | kergoth: No, I meant what interface does it use to talk with the FlashROM ? |
| 04:21:20 | erikd | :) |
| 04:21:24 | kergoth | watchs it smack erikd in the head |
| 04:21:27 | danie | It worked |
| 04:21:38 | erikd | danie: yay! |
| 04:21:42 | danie | Danie feels like a total idiot |
| 04:22:02 | erikd | danie: i did the same thing |
| 04:22:06 | danie | Ok... |
| 04:22:14 | danie | but did it take you an hour |
| 04:22:16 | Speedy2 | What? Left it as zImage.bin ? |
| 04:22:26 | danie | and a buncha smart people |
| 04:22:35 | kergoth | danie: thats because we assume a certain amount of competence |
| 04:22:42 | danie | I am sorry |
| 04:22:44 | erikd | danie: uhmm... |
| 04:22:46 | kergoth | danie: besides, we said 'zImage' bout 12975664 times |
| 04:22:50 | erikd | it took me awhile |
| 04:22:54 | erikd | :) |
| 04:23:10 | danie | I honestly dont remember doing it w/ past ROMS |
| 04:23:12 | Speedy2 | kergoth: So back to the FlashROM thing... |
| 04:23:44 | danie | did you have to |
| 04:23:46 | danie | ? |
| 04:24:01 | erikd | yeah |
| 04:24:08 | erikd | and you needed bootflag.txt on there |
| 04:24:12 | danie | Ok.. |
| 04:24:21 | danie | I remember the bootflag thing |
| 04:24:23 | erikd | but now all you need is initrd.bin and zImage |
| 04:24:31 | danie | ok |
| 04:24:33 | danie | thaks |
| 04:24:36 | erikd | yup |
| 04:24:40 | erikd | dies |
| 04:25:01 | erikd | kergoth: why couldn't you have kept statgrapher? |
| 04:25:09 | erikd | i -still- doesn't like me |
| 04:25:17 | kergoth | erikd: cause i have my own nightmares to deal with, much less everyone elses :) |
| 04:25:22 | erikd | bah |
| 04:25:23 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yo, answer me. |
| 04:25:28 | erikd | you can take on one more ;) |
| 04:25:46 | kergoth | Speedy2: it uses the shitty ass hacked up 'sharp' flash driver to access it. I forget which CS its on |
| 04:25:53 | kergoth | erikd: nahhhh thats alright |
| 04:25:57 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Answer me, or I will do stuff round at : www.realultimatepower.net to you. |
| 04:26:00 | erikd | =/ |
| 04:26:03 | kergoth | erikd: thanks for offering though, you're so generous |
| 04:26:13 | erikd | no problem! |
| 04:26:14 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I see. Doesn't sound to pleasant, the interface is slow? |
| 04:26:21 | erikd | if you ever reconsider it'll be right here for you |
| 04:26:28 | erikd | like a little dog you can't get rid of |
| 04:27:15 | kergoth | Speedy2: well, not slow persay, just hackish |
| 04:27:26 | kergoth | Speedy2: like everything else in lineo's code, and most of linux itself |
| 04:27:31 | kergoth | Speedy2: but we've been down that road before ;) |
| 04:27:44 | Piete | morning! |
| 04:27:50 | kergoth | hey Piete |
| 04:28:40 | oGMo | uploades initrd.bin and zImage to cf... |
| 04:28:43 | oGMo | -e |
| 04:28:50 | Speedy2 | kergoth: 10-4, I got you. |
| 04:28:58 | oGMo | brickin' time! |
| 04:29:20 | erikd | i feel so stupid. it's taken me 2+ hours on connecting this command button to a slot and it's -still- not working |
| 04:29:32 | erikd | i have no clue what's wrong =/ |
| 04:33:55 | br33zy | moo |
| 04:34:18 | erikd | i think i can safely say i'm screwed |
| 04:34:23 | erikd | uh oh |
| 04:34:24 | erikd | runs |
| 04:34:28 | darienm | agrees, erikd is screwed |
| 04:34:41 | darienm | grabs erikd by the neck |
| 04:34:47 | darienm | notices it takes both hands.... |
| 04:34:52 | erikd | blehehe |
| 04:34:55 | erikd | i'm too big for you! |
| 04:35:03 | darienm | also notices his arms are losing circulation from reaching up so high |
| 04:35:09 | erikd | hehehe |
| 04:35:11 | darienm | stands on a table |
| 04:35:19 | darienm | puts erikd into a choke-hold |
| 04:35:33 | darienm | whispers in erikd's ear: Finish the damn program -- you've had 3 months! |
| 04:35:35 | erikd | ... by the time you've gotten on the table i'm long gone |
| 04:35:38 | kergoth | steals statgrapher and throw it into darienm's ear |
| 04:35:43 | kergoth | woots |
| 04:35:43 | erikd | yes! |
| 04:36:01 | erikd | darien: i'd love to finish the damn program |
| 04:36:17 | erikd | it'd be nice if qt designer would make it so the damn program would work |
| 04:36:43 | Speedy2 | Lol. |
| 04:36:45 | treke|home | erikd: whats not working? Maybe you're overlooking something simple |
| 04:37:12 | erikd | treke: i'm trying to connect a QButton on a QDialog to the QDialog's accept() slot |
| 04:37:14 | darienm | he's probably stepping on it. |
| 04:37:27 | erikd | and it keeps saying: |
| 04:37:28 | erikd | QObject::connect: No such signal QHBoxLayout::clicked() |
| 04:37:29 | erikd | QObject::connect: (sender name: 'unnamed') |
| 04:37:29 | erikd | QObject::connect: (receiver name: 'eExportDialog') |
| 04:37:31 | treke|home | erikd: so from the qbuttons press to the QDiallog acept? |
| 04:37:35 | erikd | yeah |
| 04:37:46 | erikd | connect( (QObject *)eExportDialog->cmdExportProceed, SIGNAL(clicked()), eExportDialog, SLOT(accept()) ); |
| 04:37:52 | erikd | that's the exact code |
| 04:38:06 | treke|home | erikd: it looks like exportdialog is a QHBox not a qdialog |
| 04:38:14 | treke|home | are you sure you picked the right object? |
| 04:38:28 | erikd | yeah, i looked at the header it generated |
| 04:38:38 | erikd | cmdExportProceed is a QButton* |
| 04:39:03 | erikd | and eExportDialog inherits QDialog |
| 04:39:21 | erikd | from all i've looked through, i can't find -anything- wrong |
| 04:39:43 | erikd | i even looked at some of the other dialogs i've done the exact same way |
| 04:39:46 | erikd | nothing. =/ |
| 04:39:50 | kergoth | erikd: from what are you calling this? |
| 04:40:02 | erikd | from the "main" widget |
| 04:40:28 | erikd | it's inside a clicked() slot for a main widget's button |
| 04:41:01 | erikd | thinks his gcc died at the same time the page up/down buttons did |
| 04:42:22 | erikd | i'm probably going to figure it out eventually and it's going to be something stupid. it always is |
| 04:42:58 | oGMo | kergoth: dude! this rocks! |
| 04:43:09 | oGMo | and there's more free space than ever |
| 04:43:10 | treke|home | erikd: erikd can you paste in the declaration of eExportDialog? |
| 04:43:12 | oGMo | amazing |
| 04:43:24 | kergoth | oGMo: :) pretty spiffy eh. remember to thank the opie folks, opie is rockin |
| 04:43:32 | erikd | yeah, lemme find it |
| 04:43:48 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah, the opie apps are great |
| 04:44:01 | treke|home | kergoth: Theres some post on z-general asking why you switched from jffs2->ext2 :) |
| 04:44:08 | treke|home | did you? |
| 04:44:10 | oGMo | the dist is awesome too... now i need to see how much old data i can import ;) |
| 04:44:35 | treke|home | oGMo: Opie apps are pretty backwards compatible |
| 04:44:40 | erikd | eExportDialog = new Export_Data( this, "eExportDialog", true, QDialog::WStyle_Title); |
| 04:44:50 | erikd | Export_Data *eExportDialog; <-- that's from statgrapher.h |
| 04:45:17 | treke|home | alright, and what is an Export_Data object? |
| 04:45:33 | erikd | Export_Data is generated from the ui file |
| 04:45:44 | erikd | it inherits QDialog |
| 04:46:36 | kergoth | treke|home: er, no. we switched the *ramdisk* from *minix* to *ext2* |
| 04:46:41 | kergoth | treke|home: :) |
| 04:47:14 | treke|home | kergoth: ah. That seemed like a rather braindead thing to do :) |
| 04:47:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:48:36 | br33zy | moodialog |
| 04:48:55 | kergoth | moodialog? |
| 04:49:01 | kergoth | moodialog->show() |
| 04:49:19 | treke|home | erikd: I get this funny feeling I've had this problem before :) |
| 04:49:23 | paqan | kergoth - for zaurus that'll often be around insecure wireless net, what are the hardening precautions to take? (change root passwd, ip-limit the sync ports..?) |
| 04:49:41 | erikd | treke: i hope you found out what was wrong :) |
| 04:50:02 | treke|home | I did, and I'm trying to remember the details |
| 04:50:07 | kergoth | paqan: thats pretty much it. use security and set pass. if you like, you can install iptables and really lock down the network connectivity |
| 04:50:29 | paqan | kergoth: is iptables support build in kernel? |
| 04:51:25 | neale | it's a module |
| 04:51:45 | Piete | awesome, I could leech from a wireless net, and masq it to my desktop :D |
| 04:51:46 | kergoth | paqan: kernel modules, and userspace util |
| 04:51:51 | kergoth | i believe the iptables modules are in the kernel-modules ipk |
| 04:51:54 | kergoth | Piete: yup |
| 04:51:58 | kergoth | some twisted yet nifty possibilities |
| 04:52:04 | paqan | cool |
| 04:52:19 | neale | holy cow |
| 04:52:25 | neale | you even compiled in the MASQ target |
| 04:52:34 | neale | you're a nutty guy, kergoth |
| 04:53:24 | neale | gah, and ipv6 |
| 04:53:36 | Speedy2 | Is that into the kernel or are those modules? |
| 04:53:38 | Piete | ipv6 = cool |
| 04:53:41 | neale | modules |
| 04:53:47 | neale | but same diff |
| 04:53:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:53:57 | kergoth | Speedy2: modules |
| 04:54:07 | kergoth | Speedy2: probably shouldve just compiled em in monolithically actually |
| 04:54:09 | erikd | goes to get something for supper |
| 04:54:14 | neale | naw |
| 04:54:17 | kergoth | Speedy2: given that theres wasted space on the kernel flash partition right now |
| 04:54:28 | neale | kernel takes less memory this way |
| 04:54:28 | kergoth | Speedy2: since the fuckers didnt put the kernel in the root partition |
| 04:54:31 | erikd | when i get back, i'll sacrifice uic to the qt gods |
| 04:54:32 | kergoth | mutters about people |
| 04:54:39 | kergoth | neale: true that |
| 04:54:42 | oGMo | ok |
| 04:54:49 | neale | and you don't *have* to install the modules to run |
| 04:55:10 | oGMo | i'm _sure_ i saw this in the FAQ, but... i can just move /root over to /mnt/ram and symlink it, so everything gets stored there, right? |
| 04:55:32 | neale | yep |
| 04:55:34 | kergoth | oGMo: yup, its a common request, then you dont lose your data easily |
| 04:55:45 | oGMo | kergoth: k |
| 04:55:47 | kergoth | neale: true, but modules take flash space in the rootfs :) |
| 04:55:49 | oGMo | thanks ;) |
| 04:55:54 | neale | that's also true. |
| 04:56:04 | kergoth | neale: wheres built monolithically they dont. they take up space in the kernel's flash partiton thats sitting there unused |
| 04:56:10 | kergoth | its a toss-up really |
| 04:56:11 | neale | sure is |
| 04:56:13 | neale | I know! |
| 04:56:21 | neale | make yet more kernels available! |
| 04:56:34 | kergoth | what id really like |
| 04:56:38 | kergoth | is to replace the bootloader |
| 04:56:43 | kergoth | move the kernel into the filesystem in a package |
| 04:56:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:56:48 | kergoth | ala familiar |
| 04:57:00 | treke|home | kergoth: you could always try porting the hh.org bootloader :) |
| 04:57:09 | neale | is there any way to write to the flash while running linux? |
| 04:57:15 | kergoth | treke|home: actually, i'm going to port blob |
| 04:57:16 | kergoth | neale: ? |
| 04:57:19 | neale | ponders what he just asked |
| 04:57:21 | kergoth | neale: / is flash mounted |
| 04:57:23 | neale | nevermind, I'm a moron |
| 04:57:23 | kergoth | neale: touch /blah |
| 04:57:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:57:35 | treke|home | kergoth: and then you can give people the chance to brick their zaurii :) |
| 04:57:41 | kergoth | treke|home: ooo yeah fun stuff |
| 04:57:49 | kergoth | treke|home: i'm sure the sharp service techs will just love me |
| 04:57:51 | br33zy | just out of curiousity |
| 04:57:54 | br33zy | what is zaurii? |
| 04:57:56 | br33zy | :) |
| 04:58:12 | kergoth | br33zy: plural |
| 04:58:14 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:58:18 | neale | it's what the plural of zaurus would be if they had had them in ANCIENT ROME |
| 04:58:20 | erikd | hmmm |
| 04:58:22 | treke|home | kergoth: thats one of the cool things about CRL, they fix bricked ipaqs for free |
| 04:58:23 | kergoth | neale: hehe |
| 04:58:28 | kergoth | treke|home: yup |
| 04:58:32 | br33zy | oh |
| 04:58:33 | br33zy | i see |
| 04:58:42 | erikd | i could make a mini-beowulf of zaurii when/if i get my developer's version |
| 04:58:47 | kergoth | treke|home: i could provide the service, if they pay shipping .. since i'll have a jtag here |
| 04:58:48 | neale | why is it |
| 04:58:54 | kergoth | treke|home: but somehow i dont think sharp wuold appreciate it :) |
| 04:58:54 | neale | that the first thing a lot of people think |
| 04:58:58 | erikd | oh, wait |
| 04:59:01 | neale | when they see some new hardware that runs linux |
| 04:59:01 | erikd | i forgot to get food |
| 04:59:03 | erikd | bbiab |
| 04:59:06 | kergoth | erikd: i hate that |
| 04:59:09 | neale | is "beowulf cluster"? |
| 04:59:24 | oGMo | drawpad rocks ;) |
| 04:59:28 | kergoth | neale: hehe |
| 04:59:31 | kergoth | oGMo: indeed |
| 04:59:56 | br33zy | zaurii cluster |
| 04:59:57 | br33zy | :) |
| 05:00:01 | neale | ha ha |
| 05:00:15 | br33zy | i want a huge zaurus |
| 05:00:19 | br33zy | and the screen |
| 05:00:23 | br33zy | would be like 10 monitors |
| 05:00:29 | oGMo | zaurii tribe... reptite descendents |
| 05:00:30 | br33zy | and there would be big buttons |
| 05:00:38 | neale | ha ha br33zy |
| 05:00:40 | treke|home | kergoth: another stupid question, someone on zauruszone has quoted you on saying flash is good for millions of writes. I'd heard it was usually around 10-100k per block |
| 05:01:05 | kergoth | treke|home: yes, per block, i was speaking in a global fashion. given wear leveling... |
| 05:01:08 | kergoth | treke|home: :) |
| 05:01:13 | treke|home | ah ok :) |
| 05:01:22 | kergoth | fun with semantics |
| 05:01:28 | kergoth | wanders off to ge ta drink |
| 05:04:08 | neale | craft disguise. |
| 05:04:10 | neale | crafty |
| 05:04:25 | neale | but it did him in, in the end. |
| 05:04:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:10:15 | erikd | ahhh |
| 05:10:17 | erikd | food is good |
| 05:10:28 | erikd | now... |
| 05:10:53 | kergoth | indeed it is |
| 05:11:04 | kergoth | i actually cooked rather than making stupid shit like corndogs this evening |
| 05:11:09 | erikd | i know the problem is with uic/moc/designer somewhere because the "old" ui file works fine, but when i take a button, layout and 2 spacers out it doesn't |
| 05:11:34 | erikd | i haven't eaten corndogs in awhile |
| 05:11:56 | erikd | mainly because i got really sick on one when i was younger |
| 05:12:02 | kergoth | ahh gotcha |
| 05:12:05 | kergoth | i like easy food at times |
| 05:12:09 | kergoth | brats and hotdogs |
| 05:12:13 | kergoth | pizza |
| 05:12:13 | neale | what'd you cook? |
| 05:12:13 | kergoth | what have you |
| 05:12:14 | erikd | mcdonalds! |
| 05:12:14 | kergoth | oh |
| 05:12:24 | kergoth | fettuccini alfredo with grilled chicken |
| 05:12:26 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 05:12:28 | neale | not bad |
| 05:12:34 | erikd | oooh, yeah |
| 05:12:36 | neale | did you make the alfredo sauce? |
| 05:12:41 | kergoth | naw, i'm still a slacker |
| 05:12:44 | erikd | hehe |
| 05:12:48 | neale | well you're a leg up on most |
| 05:12:56 | kergoth | gotta try the sauce next time though |
| 05:13:02 | kergoth | my parents .. ugh.. they dont know how to cook |
| 05:13:07 | neale | alfredo sauce strikes me as difficult |
| 05:13:12 | kergoth | i eat better as a bachelor than I did at home |
| 05:13:14 | kergoth | which is pretty sad |
| 05:13:16 | neale | I'm a big fan of the marinari sauce |
| 05:13:17 | neale | ha ha! |
| 05:13:27 | neale | I learned how to cook well as a bachelor. |
| 05:13:32 | kergoth | yeah, you have to |
| 05:13:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:13:48 | kergoth | unless you enjoy pizza 24/7 |
| 05:13:48 | kergoth | or ramen |
| 05:13:48 | kergoth | mm ramen |
| 05:13:59 | neale | well, when you realize how much money it costs to eat out all the time, you get interested in cooking really quickly. |
| 05:14:19 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 05:14:22 | neale | at least, I did. |
| 05:14:31 | kergoth | same here |
| 05:14:36 | kergoth | i like pastas |
| 05:14:36 | erikd | i just had some... i dunno what you'd call it. it was little potato squares with sausage and a sauce of like cheese, creame of mushroom soup and prolly some other stuff |
| 05:14:36 | kergoth | easy |
| 05:14:39 | erikd | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:14:42 | neale | plus you eat better anyway |
| 05:14:43 | kergoth | pasta + sauce + some meat = good meal |
| 05:14:46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:14:54 | neale | those are home fries, erikd |
| 05:15:11 | erikd | what? the potatoes? |
| 05:15:14 | neale | yeah |
| 05:15:17 | erikd | ah |
| 05:15:19 | neale | I think that's what those are called. |
| 05:15:25 | neale | real easy to make |
| 05:15:33 | kergoth | eek |
| 05:15:36 | kergoth | i have 17 megs free in / |
| 05:15:36 | erikd | well, it was all mixed together |
| 05:15:39 | kergoth | cleans up |
| 05:15:41 | br33zy | whats tkcradio for? |
| 05:15:48 | erikd | streaming audio |
| 05:15:51 | ChipX86 | streaming ogg/mp3 |
| 05:15:53 | neale | just cube up a potato, boil it for a little bit, then fry the cubes in a ton of oil and salt |
| 05:15:59 | ChipX86 | free version does ogg streams, non-free does mp3 and ogg |
| 05:15:59 | neale | potatoes really soak up salt |
| 05:16:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:16:09 | kergoth | or you can just use op2 |
| 05:16:10 | erikd | neale: oh, it wasn't that kinda squares |
| 05:16:15 | kergoth | which can play mp3/ogg streamas |
| 05:16:16 | erikd | it was just plain potatoes |
| 05:16:25 | neale | Oh, hash browns? |
| 05:16:28 | erikd | kergoth: and isn't quite stable yet |
| 05:16:38 | erikd | neale: yeah, but mixed with the sausage and cheese sauce |
| 05:16:39 | br33zy | cool |
| 05:16:44 | Piete | ChipX86: I want a zGaim! <ducks> |
| 05:16:46 | br33zy | is it free? |
| 05:16:49 | neale | oh. |
| 05:17:06 | neale | hash browns are easy too, just take a cheese grater to a potato |
| 05:17:06 | erikd | piete: tkcJabber supports aim and others i think |
| 05:17:15 | ChipX86 | Piete: when we _finally_ do the core/ui split, I'll be doing a front-end for qtopia |
| 05:17:16 | kergoth | br33zy: op2? yeah |
| 05:17:17 | neale | but my hash browns always end up green. |
| 05:17:35 | kergoth | ChipX86: you're involved in the gaim project? |
| 05:17:38 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 05:17:41 | kergoth | Piete: hey, try centericq on the Z |
| 05:17:46 | erikd | gaim rocks! :) |
| 05:17:47 | Piete | ChipX86: awesome!! |
| 05:17:48 | kergoth | Piete: so its console.. but still :) |
| 05:17:49 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 05:17:50 | br33zy | op2? |
| 05:17:51 | kergoth | hugs centericq |
| 05:17:55 | | op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 05:17:55 | kergoth | ibot op2 |
| 05:18:10 | Piete | kergoth: nah, I don't mind :) |
| 05:18:25 | ChipX86 | I do the website and some patches, like 0.60cvs's antialiasing in the conversation windows, new accounts dialog, and other misc stuff in different versions |
| 05:18:40 | kergoth | ChipX86: ah thats cool :) |
| 05:18:46 | kergoth | ChipX86: i use gaim all the time when i'm in X anyway |
| 05:18:50 | kergoth | is a console junkie |
| 05:18:58 | ChipX86 | cool :) Have you seen 0.60cvs? |
| 05:19:02 | erikd | chip: you ever had a problem with blank lines being added to conversation/"get info" windows in the cvs version? |
| 05:19:17 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 05:19:20 | kergoth | ChipX86: naw, i'm a slacker using whatever's in debian unstable |
| 05:19:21 | erikd | that's what i'm getting =/ |
| 05:19:26 | ChipX86 | erikd: almost like it's double-spaced? |
| 05:19:30 | ChipX86 | kergoth: ah, ok |
| 05:19:32 | erikd | chip: exactly |
| 05:19:41 | ChipX86 | erikd: I've heard it reported. We don't know the reason yet |
| 05:19:54 | erikd | kergoth: pfft, 0.60cvs is -worlds- better than the old one |
| 05:20:03 | ChipX86 | erikd: Sean Egan (lead developer) is working on a rewrite of gtkimhtml (the rendering component). It should be fixed then |
| 05:20:08 | erikd | 'cept for that double space thing ;) |
| 05:20:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:20:13 | erikd | ah, cool |
| 05:20:17 | kergoth | fine |
| 05:20:19 | kergoth | grabs it from cvs |
| 05:20:19 | ChipX86 | kergoth: http://www.chipx86.com/gallery/Applications/gaim/0.60 |
| 05:20:23 | erikd | yay! |
| 05:20:26 | kergoth | 0 |
| 05:20:26 | kergoth | 22:54 < erikd> yay! |
| 05:20:27 | kergoth | er |
| 05:20:30 | kergoth | stabs his mouse |
| 05:20:33 | erikd | blehehe |
| 05:20:40 | Piete | me too, I'm running a <OLD> cvs atm, and its a little unstable :) |
| 05:21:01 | kergoth | ChipX86: wow, thats pretty nifty |
| 05:21:08 | erikd | i like the way the plugins are done now |
| 05:21:14 | ChipX86 | erikd: yeah |
| 05:21:29 | ChipX86 | Piete: nod.. we're working on getting some of those bugs fixed :) |
| 05:23:16 | ChipX86 | we still have a lot to do before we release 0.60, but it's going to be a cool release |
| 05:23:16 | ChipX86 | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/gaim/gaim/ChangeLog?rev=1.579 <-- ChangeLog |
| 05:23:20 | Piete | ChipX86: 0.60 will it have ICQ SS buddy lists? |
| 05:23:21 | erikd | chipx86: when you do the qtopia frontend, wanna do a qt/x11 version of it too? ;) |
| 05:23:29 | ChipX86 | Piete: KingAnt is working on it. I hope so. |
| 05:23:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:23:47 | ChipX86 | erikd: I'm sure people are going to volunteer for that anyway. There's a lot of demand for it. |
| 05:24:01 | erikd | yeah, because gtk is ugly *cough* |
| 05:24:03 | erikd | ;) |
| 05:24:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:24:07 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 05:24:13 | ChipX86 | gtk2 looks perry with bluecurve |
| 05:24:24 | ChipX86 | perrty even (not that it's spelled right anyway) |
| 05:24:27 | treke|home | funny, I tend to think the same thing of qt apps :) |
| 05:24:44 | erikd | yeah, i have to admit bluecurve makes gtk livable... but it's nowhere near qt |
| 05:24:52 | IPmonger | howdy |
| 05:24:54 | treke|home | hehe |
| 05:25:02 | erikd | treke: but you're weird... =) |
| 05:25:08 | treke|home | erikd: such a coincidence :) |
| 05:25:29 | Piete | I like gtk more than qt, but I'm not complaining :) |
| 05:25:47 | Piete | esp gtk2 |
| 05:25:48 | erikd | treke: btw, i narrowed it down to designer that's screwing things up |
| 05:25:50 | treke|home | erikd: Although I'm using the default gtk theme atm and it's fairly ugly |
| 05:25:57 | treke|home | erikd: ah excellant |
| 05:26:11 | erikd | not really, i can't figure out -what- in designer is doing it ;) |
| 05:26:23 | erikd | if i delete the button i need to get rid of it doesn't work |
| 05:26:23 | treke|home | ChipX86: been using gaim 0.6 for a couple weeks now. It's very nice :) |
| 05:26:31 | treke|home | now if only gtk2 wasnt fux0red in debian |
| 05:26:52 | ChipX86 | yeah, it is. What's gtk2 doing though? |
| 05:26:56 | Piete | hemm, my gtk2 mysteriously disappeared |
| 05:27:07 | Piete | samn, Slack9, hurry up |
| 05:27:13 | Piete | s/samn/damn |
| 05:27:15 | Piete | :) |
| 05:27:18 | ChipX86 | you may not have noticed this (hah!) but gaim is really ugly.. we're working on fixing that for 0.60 :) |
| 05:27:24 | treke|home | ChipX86: ctrl+u seems to be non-functional |
| 05:27:28 | kergoth | ChipX86: yay |
| 05:27:29 | treke|home | ChipX86: it is? |
| 05:27:37 | ChipX86 | well, non-0.60 |
| 05:28:08 | treke|home | hmmm. guess my taste sucks |
| 05:28:09 | ChipX86 | treke|home: you'll have to remind me what control-u is supposed to do again |
| 05:28:29 | treke|home | ChipX86: deletes text to the left of cursor |
| 05:28:40 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 05:28:48 | ChipX86 | here, it does underline :) |
| 05:29:12 | treke|home | yeah, theres an option for disabling that somewhere in gaim |
| 05:29:13 | ChipX86 | let me ask about it |
| 05:29:36 | treke|home | ChipX86: not gaim specific. It's is the same in all the gtk2 apps I've tried. |
| 05:29:49 | ChipX86 | ah, ok |
| 05:30:27 | erikd | !!!@#$!@#$!@#$ |
| 05:30:37 | erikd | designer sucks |
| 05:30:42 | erikd | i hate designer |
| 05:30:46 | br33zy | you use designer? |
| 05:30:48 | br33zy | lol |
| 05:31:23 | kergoth | erikd: 1) use designer to lay it out, 2) generate code, 3) throw away .ui file, 4) tweak. 5) have a drink |
| 05:31:46 | erikd | kergoth: i 'spose i could do that |
| 05:31:55 | erikd | but then it's hard to change the ui after |
| 05:32:12 | kergoth | hard*er* maybe :) |
| 05:32:19 | kergoth | i prefer the code myself, but its ap ersonal pref |
| 05:33:05 | erikd | well, if i didn't have < a day to finish it i might consider that ;) |
| 05:34:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:34:30 | scanline | The world will be a better place when picogui's Widget Templates are usable.. <sigh> |
| 05:35:08 | erikd | and when i finish my os |
| 05:35:40 | scanline | Imagine something like libglade, but really tiny, more flexible, and designed to keep application UI and logic separated |
| 05:35:55 | treke|home | ChipX86: wtf. I dont know what the gaim developers did, but control-u works in gaim 0.6. I love them |
| 05:35:57 | erikd | what's libglade? |
| 05:35:59 | erikd | :) |
| 05:36:13 | scanline | erikd: gtk library that lets you load UIs designed with glade at runtime |
| 05:36:25 | erikd | ah |
| 05:36:27 | treke|home | erikd: It lets you load an xml file that defines the user interface |
| 05:36:38 | erikd | that's cool |
| 05:36:50 | treke|home | yeah |
| 05:37:15 | scanline | basically, picogui's widget templates use a compiled format very similar to the ones applications themselves use instead of XML, so the files are small, the loader code is simple, and they can do pretty much anything regular app code could |
| 05:37:33 | scanline | Is there anything like libglade for Qt? |
| 05:37:49 | Piete | damn, liquid is Purdy |
| 05:38:05 | neale | okay, I guess I have to try liquid |
| 05:38:10 | neale | you guys keep talking about it |
| 05:38:12 | ChipX86 | treke|home: it does? |
| 05:38:18 | ChipX86 | treke|home: all it does here is underline |
| 05:38:30 | Piete | neale: running OZ3? |
| 05:38:34 | neale | yes |
| 05:38:41 | Piete | neale: then its already installed |
| 05:38:47 | neale | !!! |
| 05:38:56 | Piete | neale: just select it on appereance |
| 05:39:08 | neale | not on mine |
| 05:39:11 | neale | I upgraded from the feed |
| 05:39:15 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:39:18 | Piete | ah, then |
| 05:39:18 | neale | :< |
| 05:39:21 | kergoth | yeah, the preinstalled package set changed |
| 05:39:23 | neale | ah indeed |
| 05:39:26 | Piete | just install opie-liquid |
| 05:39:29 | kergoth | just ipkg install opie-liquid |
| 05:39:30 | kergoth | and |
| 05:39:33 | kergoth | opie-deco-liquid |
| 05:39:36 | kergoth | for the window decorations |
| 05:39:43 | neale | well, I'd do that if I had a network connection |
| 05:39:51 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:39:54 | erikd | is it possible to make a QButton invisible? |
| 05:39:58 | kergoth | wget -> cf card -> ipkg install |
| 05:40:00 | scanline | wonders if TheMasterMind1 put any screenshots with opie-deco-liquid up... |
| 05:40:02 | erikd | i think that's my only option |
| 05:40:16 | neale | I need to get me one of them cable things |
| 05:40:45 | scanline | hmm.. guess he hasn't put any screenshots up yet |
| 05:41:46 | tux_mike | woo |
| 05:41:49 | tux_mike | it assembled |
| 05:41:51 | neale | oh, it's that bubble thing |
| 05:42:33 | erikd | gives up on statgrapher |
| 05:42:40 | erikd | this thing is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too involved |
| 05:44:40 | neale | okay, opie-deco-polished, I dig. |
| 05:44:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:44:50 | neale | flat is my favorite |
| 05:44:57 | kergoth | i like the flat style with teh fresh deco, myseldf |
| 05:44:57 | neale | I didn't know you could change *that* |
| 05:44:58 | kergoth | myself |
| 05:45:00 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:45:09 | erikd | is that all on oz3 by default? |
| 05:45:19 | kergoth | erikd: yeah, all the decos and styles in opie are preinstalled |
| 05:45:23 | erikd | hmm |
| 05:45:30 | erikd | i'm gonna have to reflash again |
| 05:45:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:45:42 | ChipX86 | oh, oz3 is out? bah, how did I miss that? |
| 05:46:02 | kergoth | http://brak.slashdot.org/developers/02/10/30/200247.shtml?tid=100 |
| 05:46:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:46:10 | ChipX86 | goes in search of a place to plug his 5000D in to bring it back to life |
| 05:46:12 | kergoth | ChipX86: only happened this afternoon |
| 05:47:19 | tux_mike | woo |
| 05:47:31 | kergoth | tux_mike: progress? |
| 05:47:34 | tux_mike | i made a hue shift program in 364 bytes |
| 05:47:40 | tux_mike | kerg: it assembled |
| 05:47:40 | kergoth | nice |
| 05:47:50 | tux_mike | now i gotta make the circut to test it |
| 05:49:04 | br33zy | has anybody tried inetflash? |
| 05:49:05 | br33zy | hehe |
| 05:50:39 | neale | okay, I have to admit I didn't play with appearance much before |
| 05:50:52 | neale | this is really much better looking |
| 05:51:01 | neale | now I can match it to the socks I'm wearing. |
| 05:51:02 | ChipX86 | quick question.. people have told me that the charger on the 5500 is better than on the 5000. Which part exactly makes the difference? Cradle, power supply box, or the Zaurus itself? |
| 05:51:16 | kergoth | neale: hehe |
| 05:52:14 | IPmonger | can I update from Rom 1.02 to 1.3a directly? Or do I need to upgrade to 1.10 first? |
| 05:52:27 | IPmonger | hasn't touched his Z since early in March |
| 05:52:36 | kergoth | IPmonger: yep |
| 05:58:46 | tux_mike | ah. kitty lap warmer |
| 05:59:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:59:26 | kergoth | i hate typing with a cat on my lap |
| 06:03:33 | tux_mike | hiw] |
| 06:03:42 | tux_mike | how do you set the wlan keys? |
| 06:03:50 | kergoth | ? |
| 06:04:01 | tux_mike | in oz3 |
| 06:04:11 | kergoth | run networksetup |
| 06:04:14 | kergoth | click wlan0 |
| 06:04:15 | kergoth | click configure |
| 06:04:17 | br33zy | damn |
| 06:04:22 | kergoth | click the wep tab |
| 06:04:23 | br33zy | i thought that was my 32 meg cf full |
| 06:04:25 | kergoth | enable it |
| 06:04:27 | br33zy | it was only my 15 |
| 06:04:28 | br33zy | lol |
| 06:04:29 | kergoth | enter the key |
| 06:04:38 | tux_mike | i don't see any tabs |
| 06:04:44 | kergoth | tux_mike: then the card isnt inserted |
| 06:04:50 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:04:52 | kergoth | plug the card in |
| 06:05:06 | tux_mike | gah |
| 06:05:13 | tux_mike | i don't want to plug it in :P |
| 06:05:32 | br33zy | i cant wait till i get my wcf12! |
| 06:05:34 | kergoth | slacker |
| 06:05:35 | kergoth | hey cdm |
| 06:05:55 | cdm | hey kergoth - how is life? |
| 06:06:13 | kergoth | ups and downs, the usual |
| 06:06:13 | kergoth | you? |
| 06:06:37 | cdm | pretty good actually. Writing docs ATM. |
| 06:06:59 | cdm | kergoth: managing to hold onto your job? |
| 06:07:06 | neale | night night |
| 06:07:07 | neale | & |
| 06:08:04 | cdm | nohup nice neale 2> /dev/null > /dev/null & |
| 06:08:54 | kergoth | cdm: surprisingly :) |
| 06:09:12 | cdm | kergoth: well, the $$ is always good to keep getting. |
| 06:09:52 | kergoth | ohh yeah |
| 06:10:41 | cdm | kergoth: so are you one of the main guys behind the OZ release? |
| 06:11:26 | kergoth | yeah, OZ is my project. had a fair bit of assistance this time though, thankfully |
| 06:11:30 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:11:46 | tux_mike | kerg: bootmenu? |
| 06:12:00 | kergoth | noda and themastermind1 did all the openzaurus.org web stuff, onyx4 and themastermind1 and a few others assisted with bug fixes, prpplague got the tinyx stuff working, scanline did the picogui packages |
| 06:12:04 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah? |
| 06:13:00 | tux_mike | for X dual installs? |
| 06:13:15 | kergoth | we have a curses bootmenu atm |
| 06:13:18 | kergoth | works fine |
| 06:13:26 | kergoth | but the X scripts arent in place yet |
| 06:13:38 | kergoth | we'll have the kinks worked out of it in a week or so |
| 06:13:46 | kergoth | along with the running-opie-as-a-nonroot-user-deal |
| 06:17:17 | erikd | heh |
| 06:17:23 | erikd | flashed to oz3 |
| 06:17:29 | erikd | guess what the first thing i did was |
| 06:17:52 | erikd | segfaulted it |
| 06:19:50 | kergoth | hah |
| 06:25:38 | jbardin | oz 3 is out |
| 06:25:39 | jbardin | ? |
| 06:26:23 | kergoth | jbardin: yeah |
| 06:26:24 | erikd | kergoth: how hard is it to make a window decoration for opie? i kinda like the flat window decoration, but the big round buttons aren't the best |
| 06:26:33 | jbardin | cool, i wish i had a cf card to check it out with |
| 06:26:44 | kergoth | erikd: actually, i have no idea :) didnt delve into the deco code yet. i doubt its too difficult |
| 06:26:50 | erikd | ah |
| 06:27:45 | erikd | oooh, oz3 got a red link on killefiz! |
| 06:27:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:27:59 | kergoth | killefiz made it special |
| 06:28:35 | kergoth | (the person, not the site) |
| 06:28:35 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:28:50 | erikd | kudos on the synching code. works a ton better than the old stuff |
| 06:28:57 | jbardin | Jam Master Jay is dead |
| 06:30:58 | erikd | where's the background image for opie stored? |
| 06:31:04 | tux_mike | kerg: i see you got ttf support working :) |
| 06:31:08 | kergoth | erikd: /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/launcher/ |
| 06:31:11 | erikd | thanks |
| 06:31:12 | kergoth | tux_mike: not me, actually :) |
| 06:31:25 | tux_mike | well, someone did |
| 06:31:26 | kergoth | tux_mike: ljp found some better freetype opie code |
| 06:31:30 | kergoth | tux_mike: then sandman improved it |
| 06:31:35 | kergoth | tux_mike: and i added freetype to oz |
| 06:31:39 | kergoth | tux_mike: and now its spiffy |
| 06:31:42 | tux_mike | fonts in feed suck though |
| 06:32:06 | kergoth | the openoffice ones? yeah |
| 06:32:07 | kergoth | i knwo |
| 06:32:12 | kergoth | need to find some decent one |
| 06:32:14 | kergoth | s |
| 06:32:25 | tux_mike | there's always the windows core fonts |
| 06:32:39 | kergoth | licensing issues there |
| 06:32:43 | kergoth | i cant just swipe them |
| 06:32:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:32:49 | kergoth | hey NeoTron |
| 06:33:05 | NeoTron | hey |
| 06:33:45 | kergoth`zzz | night all |
| 06:33:50 | erikd | g'night |
| 06:33:53 | IPmonger | night |
| 06:41:30 | br33zy | i have a question |
| 06:41:40 | br33zy | waht kind of sreen protectors am i allowed to use on the zaurus? |
| 06:41:43 | br33zy | so it wont harm it |
| 06:42:09 | br33zy | i have some fellowes WriteRIGHT screen protectors |
| 06:42:11 | br33zy | it says they are for |
| 06:42:40 | br33zy | PalmPilot Series, Palm III (excluding Palm IIIc), Palm VII, IBM WorkPad, Handspring Visor |
| 06:42:47 | br33zy | i used two of them on my agenda |
| 06:43:23 | br33zy | anybody here? |
| 06:43:24 | tux_mike | they won't harm it, but they look like crud |
| 06:43:43 | br33zy | what kind do you recommend? |
| 06:43:48 | tux_mike | ipaq ones |
| 06:43:54 | br33zy | by fellowes? |
| 06:44:00 | tux_mike | any company |
| 06:44:06 | tux_mike | all the same most likely |
| 06:44:07 | br33zy | ok |
| 06:45:32 | br33zy | so anything that says ipaq? |
| 06:45:45 | tux_mike | or any color pda |
| 06:45:53 | br33zy | right |
| 06:45:55 | tux_mike | b&w ones have a textured surface |
| 06:46:01 | tux_mike | that looks like crud on color pdas |
| 06:46:02 | br33zy | should i clean the zaurus screen before applying? |
| 06:46:05 | br33zy | i see |
| 06:46:55 | KeyserSoze | are ipaq screens the same size? |
| 06:47:11 | br33zy | i dunno |
| 06:47:36 | Saurian | As what? |
| 06:47:48 | br33zy | zaurus |
| 06:48:55 | Saurian | I think so. |
| 06:49:26 | br33zy | the bells are ringing |
| 06:49:36 | br33zy | kids are uh jinggling |
| 06:49:44 | br33zy | the zaurii are fine |
| 06:49:48 | br33zy | the network is binded.. |
| 06:50:00 | br33zy | something.. digtal wonder land |
| 06:50:49 | br33zy | la la la.. |
| 06:51:01 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 2 hours, 20 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: Ghent19 : some apps contain so libs and need to be able to create soft links etc .. [Mon Oct 28 21:30:05 2002] |
| 06:51:01 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 07:03:41 | br33zy | PID stands for Process Identification, right? |
| 07:04:18 | Saurian | It's a unique number assigned to each process, yes. |
| 07:04:24 | br33zy | correct.. |
| 07:04:26 | br33zy | thanks |
| 07:04:28 | br33zy | later guys |
| 07:04:29 | br33zy | i gtg |
| 07:04:30 | br33zy | moO! |
| 07:04:38 | br33zy | happy digital wonderland! |
| 07:04:45 | Wembly | tho not universally unique |
| 07:04:53 | Wembly | just unique to the running processes at the time :) |
| 07:06:52 | oGMo | hrm, does OZ not have a screenshot app built in? |
| 07:11:54 | NoRemorse | heya I have installed zgcc and I get this error any ideas please? |
| 07:11:54 | NoRemorse | # gcc -s -lstdc++ |
| 07:11:54 | NoRemorse | ld: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.9.5.0.14.so: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:19:07 | IPmonger | how many people here develop for the Z under Linux? |
| 07:22:17 | raster | 7 |
| 07:23:36 | IPmonger | what distro do you use? |
| 07:25:18 | cdm | raster: good answer! |
| 07:30:29 | raster | herheheh |
| 07:30:31 | raster | IPmonger: rh |
| 07:30:59 | ChipX86 | IPmonger: I do |
| 07:36:11 | IPmonger | ChipX86: do you use RedHat too? |
| 07:36:16 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 07:36:38 | IPmonger | do you use the tools from developer.sharpsec? |
| 07:37:07 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 07:37:36 | IPmonger | do I need a particular version of RH? I have 7.2 |
| 07:39:19 | oGMo | gah... hancomsheet is rather broken in oz3 it seems |
| 07:42:42 | paqan | oGMo: how? you're not using liquid are you? |
| 07:43:23 | oGMo | actually |
| 07:43:34 | oGMo | paqan: naw, looks like i'm just missing some icons |
| 07:43:49 | oGMo | didn't actually look _too_ much worse in liquid |
| 07:44:03 | oGMo | liquid is a bit... gaudy... for everyday use anyway ;) |
| 07:44:54 | oGMo | maybe missing some smaller version of this font, too, but not sure |
| 07:49:50 | _minux | hi, anybody can help on GPRS internet connection via Irda |
| 07:50:17 | paqan | hehe |
| 07:50:23 | paqan | oGMo: which icons were missing? |
| 07:51:22 | oGMo | paqan: most toolbar ones |
| 07:51:46 | oGMo | everything except new, open, cut, copy, and paste |
| 07:52:15 | oGMo | oh i do have the menubar icons (buttons, magnifying glass) |
| 08:01:45 | NoRemorse | heya I have installed zgcc and I get this error any ideas please? |
| 08:01:46 | NoRemorse | # gcc -s -lstdc++ |
| 08:01:47 | NoRemorse | ld: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.9.5.0.14.so: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:19:38 | Piete | wb ChipX86 |
| 08:19:52 | ChipX86 | thanks |
| 08:21:12 | Piete | bahh, what am I doing wrong :/ why won't kismet-qt install... *wahhhhhh!* |
| 08:21:41 | oGMo | does opie not use .desktop files or what? |
| 08:21:48 | oGMo | i'm getting like 3 of everything |
| 08:22:13 | Piete | oGMo: lucky you, I'm getting 0 of extra packages I install :/ |
| 08:22:19 | oGMo | Piete: heh |
| 08:23:01 | NoRemorse | does zgcc work on the latest sharp rom? |
| 08:25:40 | ||ugh | Piete, have you tried running the ipkg install command from the terminal so you can see the error message? |
| 08:26:13 | Piete | ||ugh: yea, and it says it installed success fully |
| 08:27:45 | Saurian | I've had that happen...with the screenshot applet as a matter of fact. It just showed on on my taskbar next time I restarted Qt. |
| 08:29:01 | oGMo | bah, well, i might have to go back to the sharp rom |
| 08:29:12 | oGMo | i _need_ hancomsheet etc. to work |
| 08:29:15 | Piete | Saurian: well, I've restarted opie, restarted it some more, and then rebooted, reset, none works |
| 08:29:25 | oGMo | opie is so pretty though ;) |
| 08:29:31 | Piete | ya |
| 08:29:32 | Saurian | Hrm, no idea then...sorry. |
| 08:29:36 | oGMo | anyway, bbt |
| 08:29:40 | Piete | ciao |
| 08:29:52 | Saurian | idly plays with making KGrok databases. |
| 08:31:21 | Piete | I guess I have to reflash now then :/ |
| 08:31:24 | Piete | argh |
| 08:33:43 | Saurian | will play with kismet-qt in a few days when the wireless card arrives. }:) |
| 08:58:31 | Piete | Saurian: I got kismet-qt to work.. I just had to reflash, and install into 'mdtram' instead of 'root'.. |
| 08:58:39 | Saurian | Aha... |
| 09:00:42 | Saurian | ponders making some KGrok databases |
| 09:06:12 | NoRemorse | heya has anyone got a PPTP vpn working from a zaurus? |
| 10:31:01 | Saurian | Anyone awake? |
| 10:31:15 | scanline | nope |
| 10:31:22 | Saurian | Okay. }:) |
| 10:32:42 | Saurian | Are you awake enough to answer a Q? }:) |
| 10:33:01 | scanline | nobody will know until you ask it :P |
| 10:34:02 | Saurian | Possibly, but if you're too far asleep, then I'd waste all that typing on nothing... }:) Erm, how do I make ipkgs? |
| 10:34:48 | scanline | There are three ways I can think of |
| 10:34:51 | scanline | 1. very carefully |
| 10:34:54 | scanline | 2. not very carefully |
| 10:34:59 | scanline | 3. with the openzaurus build system |
| 10:35:31 | scanline | There's also an ipkgbuild tool, but only uncool people use that. Cool people use the openzaurus build system |
| 10:36:35 | smee|w | is uncool |
| 10:37:25 | Saurian | must be uncool too. How tragic. |
| 10:37:37 | Piete | Saurian: I'm awake |
| 10:37:48 | scanline | has a very hard time being serious at this hour :D |
| 10:38:05 | smee|w | perhaps we need a #uncoolzaurususer |
| 10:38:07 | Piete | Saurian: but I don't know how to make ipks :) |
| 10:38:15 | Piete | smee|w: awesome :D |
| 10:38:29 | smee|w | :) |
| 10:38:34 | Saurian | just wants to package up this KGrok movie database thing so folks don't have to try and figure out where to put the files. }:) |
| 10:39:49 | smee|w | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 10:39:59 | Saurian | Thanks. }:) |
| 10:40:06 | Piete | tada! |
| 10:40:29 | smee|w | as if by magic the URL appeared |
| 10:40:47 | smee|w | is sharing scanline's struggle to maintain seriousness |
| 10:41:21 | scanline | poof! And there goes the sanity like a struggle on the face of a tired developer! |
| 10:41:31 | scanline | Whoops, where's my coffee.... |
| 10:41:31 | smee|w | perhaps last night's beer is still in effect |
| 10:41:42 | smee|w | Whoops, where's /my/ coffee? |
| 10:41:52 | scanline | my coffee! |
| 10:42:00 | scanline | it's all mine! |
| 10:42:03 | scanline | mwahahaha! |
| 10:42:41 | smee|w | argh where is the steaming and the aroma and the coffeeness? |
| 10:42:52 | smee|w | runs to the kitchen |
| 10:42:59 | scanline | I put all the coffeeness back in the coffee where it belongs |
| 10:43:28 | smee|w | :) |
| 10:43:40 | smee|w | that's far too serious a thing to do |
| 10:44:38 | elzwhere | hello |
| 10:45:08 | ElzWhere | anyone here? |
| 10:45:14 | Saurian | Not I. }:) |
| 10:46:14 | ElzWhere | got a ? for u...just got my zaurus today...want to get my terminal like i see in the screenshots...looking like a linux term with the back background with different collors for files and dirs u know how to do that? |
| 10:46:43 | Saurian | No idea. I suspect the ls compiled on the Z isn't colorized. |
| 10:46:56 | ElzWhere | no, im using qpe terminal |
| 10:47:03 | Piete | ElzWhere: do this |
| 10:47:05 | ElzWhere | its there a different term i can download? |
| 10:47:08 | ElzWhere | k |
| 10:47:12 | ElzWhere | im listening |
| 10:47:12 | Piete | ElzWhere: export TERM=linux |
| 10:47:19 | Piete | then try again |
| 10:48:21 | ElzWhere | try what again? |
| 10:48:53 | Piete | ls |
| 10:48:56 | smee|w | I think that the colours come from a different version of busybox? |
| 10:49:06 | Piete | ElzWhere: ahhh |
| 10:49:14 | Piete | ElzWhere: sorry, I misuderstood |
| 10:49:20 | Piete | ElzWhere: just install EmbeddedKonsole |
| 10:49:25 | Piete | its much better |
| 10:49:43 | Saurian | embeddedkonsole rocks. }:) |
| 10:50:13 | ElzWhere | i want it to look like this www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=566 |
| 10:51:25 | smee|w | 'screen' is the app that's allowing the split screen |
| 10:51:54 | Saurian | I think what he's after is colorized ls. |
| 10:52:12 | ElzWhere | i want it to look like this www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app= |
| 10:52:21 | ElzWhere | i want it to look like this www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=167 |
| 10:52:40 | ElzWhere | s |
| 10:53:08 | elzwhere | sorry got cut off |
| 10:53:39 | elzwhere | www.killefiz.de/zaurus/shodetail.php?app=167 |
| 10:53:51 | elzwhere | wait maybe thats what i need |
| 10:55:43 | elzwhere | shit i dont know just want my term black with colors thats all |
| 10:55:56 | elzwhere | dintknow if there was a file i could edit like with linux or what |
| 10:56:24 | Saurian | The ls that comes with the rom doesn't seem to support colorization. |
| 10:56:33 | Saurian | OZ may have a better one. |
| 10:56:48 | Piete | elzwhere: listen to me |
| 10:56:50 | Piete | elzwhere: install |
| 10:57:00 | Piete | elzwhere: E M B E D D E D K O N S O L E |
| 10:57:55 | paqan | w h a t t h e . . . |
| 10:59:16 | elzwhere | sorry Piete thanx |
| 10:59:32 | elzwhere | needed to listen the first time |
| 10:59:47 | Saurian | It'll at least give you a black console. |
| 10:59:54 | Saurian | Or magenta, or white, or... |
| 11:00:29 | elzwhere | any of u got kismet working on this bad boy? |
| 11:00:31 | Saurian | Magenta on blue is especially hideous. |
| 11:00:41 | Piete | Saurian: eeeww |
| 11:01:11 | Saurian | uses amber on black...makes him feel nostalgic for the old IBM XT days. };) |
| 11:01:37 | Piete | elzwhere: I have |
| 11:02:00 | Saurian | will in a day or two. |
| 11:02:09 | elzwhere | Piete what kind of card u got/ |
| 11:02:10 | elzwhere | ? |
| 11:02:20 | Piete | elzwhere: just by the way, if you have embeddedkonsole installed, and its still not color, just type in export TERM=linux |
| 11:02:28 | Piete | elzwhere: dink DFC-650W |
| 11:02:31 | Piete | dlink even |
| 11:02:42 | elzwhere | i got a netgear |
| 11:03:08 | elzwhere | so is there kernel configuration involved if so is there any docs on how to get it done? |
| 11:03:17 | Piete | elzwhere: none at all |
| 11:03:35 | Piete | elzwhere: just plug the card in, and run kismet_monitor -H, and then kismet |
| 11:03:47 | Piete | elzwhere: or even better, just install kismet-qt |
| 11:04:52 | elzwhere | Piete so kismet-qt isnt just a frontend to kismet its the whole proggie? |
| 11:05:04 | Piete | its a fronted |
| 11:05:12 | elzwhere | oh ok |
| 11:05:13 | Piete | but it *really* improves the whole experience |
| 11:05:52 | smee|w | i...have...the...coffee |
| 11:05:56 | smee|w | ihavethecoffee |
| 11:06:20 | Piete | H M M M M m m m mm m m mmm mmmm,mmmmmmmm |
| 11:07:40 | elzwhere | sweet |
| 11:07:42 | elzwhere | it works |
| 11:07:45 | elzwhere | thanx Piete |
| 11:08:00 | elzwhere | damn i love this thing....im glad i ended up getting this |
| 11:08:11 | elzwhere | Piete u using OZ or sharp? |
| 11:09:26 | Piete | OZ |
| 11:09:35 | Piete | its friggin awesome :D |
| 11:09:48 | Piete | brb food |
| 11:13:29 | Saurian | ponders a DCF-660W |
| 11:13:44 | elzwhere | Saurian u use OZ? |
| 11:13:58 | Saurian | No. |
| 11:15:05 | ElzWhere | Piete-food come back |
| 11:20:21 | smee|w | http://www.ineedcoffee.com/99/11/eggspresso/ |
| 11:23:34 | datenpunk | anyone here wanting to answer a question regarding pppd setup? |
| 11:26:49 | Piete | is back |
| 11:26:58 | Piete | ElzWhere: ok, I'm back :) |
| 11:27:13 | ElzWhere | Piete so what are advatages of OZ over sharpOS? |
| 11:27:56 | Saurian | is going to get some sleep. |
| 11:28:54 | Piete | ElzWhere: hmm, here is my top reasons, 1. More 'open' 2. Quicker Development 3. Its prettier 4. You get to play around with the guts of the system if you want 5. Its filesystem is much more sane |
| 11:30:06 | Piete | ElzWhere: oh, and it syncs better with Linux Qtopia desktop (mine at least) |
| 11:30:17 | ElzWhere | damn i want that bad |
| 11:30:24 | ElzWhere | dont have a cf card though |
| 11:30:40 | anggarda | ElzWhere, hmmm...hiello..suprised to see you here. |
| 11:31:31 | ElzWhere | lol |
| 11:31:57 | ElzWhere | Piete do u have to mount a sd card? |
| 11:32:13 | Piete | nope |
| 11:32:14 | ElzWhere | i just installed the zaurus fm and plugged in the sd card |
| 11:32:28 | ElzWhere | so it reads it at plugin? |
| 11:32:46 | Piete | when you plug it in, it automatically mounts it at /mnt/card |
| 11:32:48 | anggarda | ElzWhere, just got a Z? Welcome to the club. |
| 11:33:00 | ElzWhere | anggarda me too today |
| 11:33:19 | ElzWhere | oh yeah i did |
| 11:33:20 | anggarda | ElzWhere, hmmm you're lostson bud ain't you? |
| 11:33:36 | ElzWhere | yeah havent seen him in a while lately |
| 11:33:50 | ElzWhere | im on later nowdays |
| 11:33:54 | ElzWhere | 330 am here |
| 11:34:40 | anggarda | ElzWhere, damn. |
| 11:35:45 | ElzWhere | anggarda u using OZ or sharp OS? |
| 11:36:15 | anggarda | sharp..looking at oz by the weekend. Paper due tomorrow. |
| 11:36:21 | Piete | ElzWhere: in general you could just refer to them as OZ or Sharp |
| 11:36:35 | Piete | ElzWhere: since Sharps rom is not entirely something new |
| 11:38:34 | anggarda | Piete, go to SLEEP. |
| 11:49:05 | Piete | anggarda: yea yea yea P |
| 11:49:06 | Piete | :P |
| 11:49:20 | Piete | anggarda: in 2 hours, ok? |
| 11:50:10 | anggarda | lol..I'm not your mum..but hey |
| 11:50:20 | Piete | lol |
| 12:02:17 | paqan | glad to know that googling qtmail lead me to uh gaywork.com ... |
| 12:47:08 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin everyone |
| 12:47:41 | mark | hi Cloudchaser |
| 12:54:13 | ljp | hi cloudy |
| 12:54:25 | Cloudchaser | ;) how are you doing ljp? |
| 12:54:31 | ljp | tired |
| 12:57:10 | Cloudchaser | me too :) |
| 12:57:20 | Cloudchaser | oh and HAPPY HALLOWEEN! :) |
| 12:59:29 | Piete | hehehe, OpiePlayer² is awesome :D |
| 13:22:22 | noidd | ello |
| 13:30:00 | ljp | halloween?! |
| 13:30:37 | jmhodges | holy crap thats today |
| 13:30:44 | jmhodges | hrm.. need to find a costume |
| 18:54:49 | BigBoss | cool, I got half my face shaved into a spider, now for the right side |
| 18:55:38 | Harlekin | wheres the webcam url |
| 18:55:39 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:57:35 | BigBoss | i'll put a picture on our ftp server once I get it done |
| 18:57:44 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 19:01:03 | benmeyer | man, I never relized how many times I say the word "You" in a howto |
| 19:01:04 | tux_mike | can anyone get to slashdot? |
| 19:01:08 | benmeyer | yup |
| 19:01:11 | benmeyer | been cleaning up a lot |
| 19:03:37 | AndyQ|Work | tux_mike: took a little time but its up |
| 19:04:21 | Cloudchaser | has a killer headache |
| 19:04:45 | tux_mike | i can't seem to get to it |
| 19:07:59 | BigBoss | i couldn't get to it earlier, but it's working now |
| 19:08:04 | BigBoss | they moved servers last night, maybe that is it |
| 19:09:14 | oGMo | hmm, it appears opie is also slightly incompatible with older qtopia apps... |
| 19:09:17 | oGMo | ASSERT: "m_FormList[0].count() > 0" in docdata.cpp (586) |
| 19:09:28 | oGMo | hancomsheet doesn't like it anyway ;) |
| 19:20:48 | darienm | kergoth: ?? |
| 19:21:27 | darienm | kergoth: there is a step missing from the INSTALL instructions on openzaurus.org between 6 and 7. It doesn't say explicitly "wait for the lights to go out before proceeding" |
| 19:21:51 | darienm | kergoth: I think its critically important. |
| 19:22:18 | neale | that's a good point. |
| 19:39:00 | BigBoss | ok, the spider beard is complete |
| 19:41:36 | BigBoss | ftp://ftp.rygannon.com/pub/PowerPlant/ |
| 19:41:47 | BigBoss | there is the spider beard |
| 19:41:55 | BigBoss | sorry for the funky angle, I'm taking the picture myself and just took a shower |
| 19:42:30 | darienm | Eeeeeek. Make it stop !!!! |
| 19:43:27 | BigBoss | that took dedication to get done |
| 19:43:29 | BigBoss | a month of no shaving |
| 19:44:03 | ljp_1 | I really need to reconfigure the emacs key for minimizing.. grrr |
| 19:44:26 | darienm | *** I love how fast OZ 3 is !!! *** |
| 19:44:29 | darienm | Wow! |
| 19:44:42 | oGMo | discovers opie-checkbook, which, while not perfect, should work in place of hancomsheet... hopefully |
| 19:44:46 | BigBoss | it can sit idle faster than anything else |
| 19:44:56 | BigBoss | :) |
| 19:45:18 | darienm | But seriously, it is many times more responsive than previous ROM releases (IMO) |
| 19:45:49 | oGMo | darienm: yeah it seems snappy to me too |
| 19:45:50 | Harlekin | darienm: yeah, optimisation turned on |
| 19:46:00 | Harlekin | darienm: and some opie improvments |
| 19:46:41 | mickeyl|away | is leaving for a while... |
| 19:47:39 | BigBoss | for those that missed it |
| 19:47:39 | BigBoss | ftp://ftp.rygannon.com/pub/PowerPlant/ |
| 19:48:34 | ljp_1 | and that didnt break the camera? |
| 19:50:24 | BigBoss | be glad I put clothes on :) |
| 19:50:33 | victorvdl | Hey, anyone know of a feed with the unifont in it? |
| 19:52:21 | ljp_1 | and that didnt break the camera? |
| 19:52:47 | BigBoss | maybe I should do the same with the hair on my back :) |
| 19:52:58 | ljp_1 | ahhh! my monitor's now cracked! |
| 19:53:09 | ljp_1 | eeewwwww |
| 19:53:19 | ljp_1 | only if your wife approves |
| 19:53:30 | Cloudchaser | hehe the beard looks pretty neat though |
| 20:01:31 | ljp_1 | please, dont take a photo of your back hair |
| 20:07:23 | scribe | hey guys. Anyone know were the unifont font is? |
| 20:08:21 | PascalS | Is wget part of busybox? |
| 20:09:00 | treke | PascalS: yes |
| 20:09:14 | PascalS | on sharp rom? |
| 20:09:29 | treke | maybe. ls -l /usr/bin/wget |
| 20:09:44 | PascalS | I just flashed OZ |
| 20:11:56 | scribe | hey guys. Anyone know were the unifont font is? |
| 20:12:01 | PascalS | Hmmm. Like I thought. OZ uses busybox wget, Sharp uses the real thing |
| 20:12:27 | PascalS | breaks my app :( |
| 20:13:27 | kergoth | PascalS: what function do you need? |
| 20:14:15 | PascalS | --tries, --output and --timeout |
| 20:14:32 | PascalS | The ones that make using wget safe. |
| 20:14:43 | kergoth | PascalS: dont use the long form |
| 20:14:57 | kergoth | PascalS: try -t, -O, -T |
| 20:15:20 | PascalS | trying |
| 20:15:54 | PascalS | T for timeout? |
| 20:16:00 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:16:11 | PascalS | Usage: wget [-c|--continue] [-q|--quiet] [-O|--output-document file] |
| 20:16:12 | PascalS | [--header 'header: value'] [-Y|--proxy on/off] [-P DIR] url |
| 20:16:21 | PascalS | doesn't seem to have those. |
| 20:16:26 | kergoth | so it supports output, but not timeout or tries |
| 20:16:27 | kergoth | right? |
| 20:16:38 | PascalS | yes, looks like it. |
| 20:17:07 | PascalS | Tries is important, because non-busybox wget defaults to a gazilion times |
| 20:17:10 | kergoth | alrighty, people can install the real wget onto their OZ, its available |
| 20:17:12 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:17:25 | kergoth | we can patch busybox. add tries and timeout support. |
| 20:17:26 | PascalS | which feed? |
| 20:17:37 | kergoth | should be in the main oz one, if not i'll throw it up therer |
| 20:18:31 | PascalS | Only W entry in OZ3 is 'wireless-tools' |
| 20:18:44 | kergoth | alright, i'm on it |
| 20:31:20 | JasonNJ | this Warpfleet game is HARD |
| 20:33:58 | SirPsycho-work | I have an OZ question.. does anyone know if I can sync tkcCalendar from my outlook using intellisync (just like I do with sharp rom) ? |
| 20:34:50 | bipolar_ | is anyone here REALLY good with text stream editing (sed, etc...)? |
| 20:35:04 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'unifont'. |
| 20:35:04 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for unifont |
| 20:35:09 | | C-Kermit 8.0.201 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=418 |
| 20:35:10 | | Customizable_Keyboard 1.1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=230 |
| 20:35:11 | | cyrillic_input_and_fonts 1.4 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=406 |
| 20:35:12 | | 3 of 9 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=unicode |
| 20:35:12 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for unicode |
| 20:35:20 | kergoth | SirPsycho-work: yes |
| 20:36:41 | | Helvetica_Unicode_Fonts >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=650 |
| 20:36:42 | | opie-unikeyboard >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=383 |
| 20:36:43 | | unicode-fonts >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=565 |
| 20:36:44 | | 3 of 4 shown. See all at http://zaurii.com/zfi/index.phtml?p=r&r=unicode |
| 20:36:44 | numatrix | ibot search zfi for unicode |
| 20:37:25 | SirPsycho-work | kergoth: thanks.. guess it is time to try out OZ again =) |
| 20:38:20 | numatrix | bipolar_: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:39:31 | TDT | What is the site for the howto on allowing linux to sync with the zaurus? |
| 20:40:44 | kergoth | ibot: tell TDT about howtos |
| 20:41:02 | TDT | got it, thx |
| 20:44:00 | TDT | does anyone know if the JVM on the zaurus supports AWT and swing? or just one or the other? |
| 20:44:14 | oGMo | it like half supports awt or something |
| 20:44:17 | kergoth | check the java faq |
| 20:44:22 | kergoth | Twiun's site |
| 20:45:34 | TDT | What is the site for that? |
| 20:45:46 | | hmmm... java faq is the Zaurus Java FAQ at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 20:45:46 | kergoth | ibot java faq |
| 20:45:49 | kergoth | there we go |
| 20:46:09 | TDT | thx |
| 20:48:18 | ioerror | Hello! |
| 20:48:36 | ioerror | Anyone use a german version of the Zaurus |
| 20:48:41 | ioerror | 5500G |
| 20:49:28 | oGMo | does opie-tabedit or whatever work yet? ;) |
| 20:49:44 | TDT | How much does it cost for a wireless card for the zaurus? I don't have a wireless router either, is there something I can use with the router without buy a brand new one? |
| 20:50:49 | Tybor | anyone from italy here? |
| 20:50:56 | oGMo | er, unless you have a wireless access point you can plug into a switch or something, you can't magically make your router understand wireless |
| 20:51:06 | Tybor | i was looking for a place to buy zaurus |
| 20:51:24 | IPmonger | you can buy it at Staples, Office Depot, or on-line |
| 20:51:34 | TDT | oGMo: i realize that...how much would a wireless acess point cost? |
| 20:51:58 | oGMo | TDT: $100 for something cheap |
| 20:52:12 | oGMo | maybe less now but i'm doubting |
| 20:52:47 | TDT | prolly just as cheap to just buy a new router with wireless already built in...then proly 80 for the card itself, looking at around 200 bucks to connect my zaurus...ugh |
| 20:52:59 | Tybor | IPmonger: any of this shop in europe? I would prefer not to pay hundrends of PRIVMSG #zaurus :IPmonger: 10x |
| 20:53:29 | IPmonger | Tybor: sorry, but I don't think so |
| 20:53:52 | IPmonger | Tybor: I didn't see that you were from Italy |
| 20:54:27 | Tybor | IPmonger: [Tybor] (~paolo@host50-124.pool80116.interbusiness.it) : paolo |
| 20:54:39 | Tybor | IPmonger: no worries, mate |
| 20:55:25 | TDT | Are there any known bugs with the zaurus default kernel software (highest version) being unable to write to 128 meg SD cards occassionally? |
| 20:55:46 | kergoth | TDT: depends on what sd module version you're using. what rom? |
| 20:55:56 | TDT | let me check, one second please |
| 20:56:26 | ioerror | Anyone use a german version of the Zaurus |
| 20:57:08 | TDT | ROM version 2.38 |
| 20:57:11 | neale | nien, mein zaurus nicht kann deutsche sprachen. |
| 20:57:12 | Tybor | how long does the battery of zaurus lasts? |
| 20:57:26 | TDT | Tybor: depends...really depends. |
| 20:57:51 | TDT | Tybor: for basic uses, like what I use, the whole day...not all the time on though. If you're doing a lot on it, you can lay waste to the battery quickly. |
| 20:58:12 | TDT | I take my notes on it in class...and works well for me. |
| 20:58:16 | neale | Tybor: say, for example, you're running a CD burner from the CF port. Then, maybe 5 minutes. |
| 20:58:20 | Twiun | rehi |
| 20:58:26 | Tybor | TDT: i have a psion 5mx and the batteries last 18-24h |
| 20:58:40 | Tybor | neale: hey that's not fair for a small pda |
| 20:58:48 | neale | I've heard about three hours for average use |
| 20:58:56 | Tybor | neale: and for some data entry? |
| 20:59:07 | neale | Tybor: does anyone actually make a CD-ROM drive that runs from a CF slot?!? |
| 20:59:15 | Tybor | neale: **only** 3? |
| 20:59:21 | neale | well |
| 20:59:28 | neale | I've been unable to drain my battery so far |
| 20:59:32 | Tybor | neale: cf slots are basically eide devices. |
| 20:59:38 | neale | so I can't tell you what I've experienced, only heard :) |
| 20:59:49 | neale | yeah, but the form factor is different :) |
| 20:59:52 | Tybor | neale: ok, nice to hear |
| 21:00:07 | Tybor | neale: i was looking for a pda with free sw |
| 21:00:24 | neale | If you get a CD-ROM running from your Z, please send me a photo :) |
| 21:00:33 | neale | whuggles his Zaurus. |
| 21:00:44 | neale | Before I got it I had a palm V. |
| 21:00:44 | TDT | I love the zaurus. |
| 21:00:57 | Tybor | neale: it's theorically possible. |
| 21:00:59 | neale | Now the Palm looks like a stupid datebook organizer. |
| 21:01:05 | ioerror | I'have one question, the FULL-reset plus C and D key does not work |
| 21:01:06 | hash | how do i setup a wireless card? what do i need to know? |
| 21:01:22 | ioerror | but the software provider by Sharp for flashig work great |
| 21:01:28 | kergoth | hash: essid, whether you're using wep or not |
| 21:01:45 | ioerror | but it dont use the CF, where i'can put the debian files for flashing it whitout the CF ? |
| 21:01:46 | kergoth | hash: and whether you use dhcp or a static ip configuration |
| 21:01:52 | oGMo | kergoth: hey what's the diff between konq and konq-full? ;) |
| 21:02:02 | hash | kergoth: anything... as long as it works for now |
| 21:02:02 | neale | ioerror, you may have a badly formatted CF. |
| 21:02:04 | kergoth | oGMo: full has javascript |
| 21:02:07 | neale | I had that same problem |
| 21:02:11 | oGMo | kergoth: ah k thanks |
| 21:02:12 | kergoth | oGMo: i need to add that to the faq, i answer that 3 times a day |
| 21:02:13 | kergoth | oGMo: hehe |
| 21:02:15 | neale | Had to borrow a friend's CF to flash it. |
| 21:02:37 | hash | kergoth: just got a wireless router too |
| 21:02:57 | kergoth | hash: and how is the router configured atm? are you setting this up from a Z, ipaq, or laptop? |
| 21:03:10 | hash | kergoth: on a Z |
| 21:03:18 | hash | kergoth: i havent set any settings on the router yet |
| 21:03:19 | kergoth | hash: use opie-networksetup |
| 21:03:38 | kergoth | hash: in fact, it may work out of the box. default is 'any' essid, and no wep, and dhcp |
| 21:03:59 | ioerror | neadle, no, i'have formated it in fat 16, mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/hda1 or mkfs.msdos /dev/hda1 |
| 21:04:05 | hash | opie-networksetup has wlan or something? |
| 21:04:12 | kergoth | hash: yes |
| 21:04:18 | kergoth | hash: it works flawless for wireless config |
| 21:04:23 | kergoth | hash: opie-wlansetup is unsupported atm |
| 21:04:29 | kergoth | hey Sniper1 |
| 21:05:19 | Twiun | hiya Sniper1 |
| 21:05:35 | hash | kergoth: different than netsetup? |
| 21:05:41 | kergoth | hash: netsetup is crap, and unsupported |
| 21:05:48 | kergoth | hash: networksetup has wireless config built in |
| 21:05:57 | hash | cool |
| 21:07:46 | hash | ;,,; |
| 21:07:51 | Sniper1 | hi |
| 21:07:54 | hash | instaling is taking too long |
| 21:09:54 | hash | uhhg |
| 21:20:56 | ioerror | Please, anyone can help me? |
| 21:21:04 | ioerror | i'have some big problems |
| 21:24:26 | hash | umm, i dont see how opie-networksetup helps |
| 21:24:48 | mark | i've got a qpe commercial license, and have done some work for a company who are about to be selling a qpe product. does my license cover this? |
| 21:25:00 | ioerror | anyone use a Zaurus 5500G ?! |
| 21:25:10 | kergoth | hash: huh? |
| 21:25:15 | kergoth | hash: it lets you configure everything |
| 21:25:34 | kergoth | hash: it -only- configures the wireless settings witht eh card inserted |
| 21:25:37 | kergoth | hash: plug it in |
| 21:25:40 | hash | kergoth: if i click "Add" all i get is IrDa(ppp) and usb(ppp) |
| 21:25:44 | kergoth | no |
| 21:25:46 | kergoth | dont add |
| 21:25:48 | hash | kergoth: i have it plugged in |
| 21:25:51 | ioerror | i'm trying to flash my Zaurus 5500G, i'have a FAT16 CF card, copied every files onto, and followed the procedure from sharp |
| 21:25:52 | kergoth | if the interface exists, it can be configured |
| 21:25:53 | kergoth | you dont add it |
| 21:25:55 | kergoth | its already there |
| 21:26:04 | hash | i see eth0 and wlan0 |
| 21:26:09 | hash | but nothing much to configure |
| 21:26:10 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:26:14 | kergoth | then your card is hosed |
| 21:26:16 | kergoth | or something simliar |
| 21:26:17 | hash | just static or dhcp |
| 21:26:19 | kergoth | lsmod |
| 21:26:21 | kergoth | ifconfig -a |
| 21:26:26 | ioerror | and all the led is blinking, but wen i'm using the Update program provided by sharp, everythings works good for the sharp official update |
| 21:26:43 | ioerror | but i'cannot use this software for the debian files :( |
| 21:26:58 | hash | irda0 lo sit0 usbd0 are the devices i see |
| 21:27:01 | mark | the Qtopia SDK 'may only be used in conjunction with the GPL version of Qt/Embedded'. Presumably the Z runs on the commercial version? |
| 21:27:06 | kergoth | hash: lsmod |
| 21:27:18 | hash | kergoth: what should i look for? |
| 21:27:24 | ioerror | and, on thing strange, the update program provided by sharp dont use the CF card! |
| 21:27:29 | kergoth | hash: prism2 |
| 21:27:35 | hash | kergoth: it's loaded |
| 21:27:42 | hash | prism2 86304 0 (unused) |
| 21:27:59 | kergoth | and ifconfig -a doesnt show wlan0? |
| 21:28:00 | kergoth | dmesg |
| 21:28:03 | kergoth | check for errors |
| 21:28:23 | hash | kergoth: i get tons of hda error messages |
| 21:28:37 | kergoth | hash: ignore those |
| 21:28:39 | kergoth | hash: thats the ide driver |
| 21:28:43 | kergoth | hash: anything from prism2 |
| 21:28:57 | hash | kergoth: nope |
| 21:30:08 | hash | what is sit0? |
| 21:30:26 | kergoth | rmmod prism2 |
| 21:30:28 | kergoth | modprobe prism2 |
| 21:30:37 | kergoth | sit0 is a tunneling thing iirc, or a ipv6 deal |
| 21:30:41 | kergoth | i can never remember |
| 21:30:42 | hash | oh |
| 21:31:01 | hash | still dont see it in ifconfig -a |
| 21:31:21 | kergoth | cardctl ident |
| 21:31:40 | hash | i get info on card0 |
| 21:31:46 | hash | Socket 0: |
| 21:31:46 | kergoth | waht info? |
| 21:31:52 | hash | product info: "The Linksys Group, Inc.", "Wireless Network CF Card", "ISL37300P", "RevA" |
| 21:31:58 | hash | manfid: 0x0274, 0x3301 |
| 21:32:02 | hash | function: 6 (network) |
| 21:34:28 | hash | have to go... |
| 21:34:33 | hash | kergoth: thanks so far |
| 21:34:50 | kergoth | hash: np, thats really strange.. the interface should be created |
| 21:39:17 | mark | Neo|Work: is there any quick arm assembler blitting code about? |
| 21:39:37 | kergoth | mark: i think warmi has his asm rotating blit code up somewhere |
| 21:39:47 | JasonNJ | http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid37/pc94aed713666904ca964aa50825c2f19/fd196bd5.jpg |
| 21:40:09 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:40:30 | JasonNJ | http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/pf0570ce1ec4dcbcc801edd60134cca66/fd21f3a1.jpg |
| 21:41:33 | cdm | JasonNJ: those are pretty funny. |
| 21:41:38 | mark | kergoth: ah, got em, thanks |
| 21:42:11 | tux_mike | lol |
| 21:42:19 | tux_mike | it's amazing what one can do with a pumpkin |
| 21:42:45 | mark | if I want an app to leave some binary data around on the Z, where would be the best place for it? I imagine things could get confused by it in ~/Settings |
| 21:42:59 | oGMo | mark: binary data? |
| 21:43:03 | oGMo | mark: what _is_ it? |
| 21:43:28 | oGMo | probably Applications/ if it's not settings or a document, but ... |
| 21:43:43 | mark | oGMo: an array of chars containing data like registration info |
| 21:44:13 | oGMo | i detect shareware |
| 21:44:23 | oGMo | mark, but probably Applications/ |
| 21:44:48 | mark | oGMo: okay, though so, cheers |
| 21:45:19 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/building_custom_rom.shtml |
| 21:45:20 | benmeyer | Updated |
| 21:45:26 | benmeyer | Complete re-write |
| 21:46:56 | Cloudchaser | heya benmeyer.. thank you for all your great how-to's |
| 21:47:02 | Cloudchaser | they come in very handy for alot of people |
| 21:47:13 | benmeyer | No problem, it is part of my job :-D |
| 21:47:39 | Cloudchaser | still they are very good resources for us ;) |
| 21:47:48 | tux_mike | well, then, i guess you're not fired :) |
| 21:47:51 | AndyQ|Work | i agree wholeheartedly |
| 21:48:15 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 21:48:18 | Cloudchaser | hi kergoth |
| 21:48:26 | benmeyer | Actually it isn't part of my job, but I think it is very important for the developer community and so I maintain them and try to put up as much as I can |
| 21:48:54 | Cloudchaser | not only dev uses them but i'm sure everyone appreciates them |
| 21:49:41 | Harlekin | benmeyer: could you go through mantis and close what is fixed? |
| 21:50:05 | kergoth_ | hey Cloudchaser |
| 21:50:14 | Cloudchaser | :) happy halloween :) |
| 21:50:24 | kergoth_ | you too, big plans for the evening? |
| 21:50:49 | Cloudchaser | yep, handing out candy to the kids in the neighborhood |
| 21:50:54 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 21:52:49 | Twiun | BigBoss: your namesake's in #openzaurus ;-) |
| 21:52:54 | Twiun | grins evilly |
| 21:54:10 | Harlekin | ? |
| 21:54:24 | benmeyer | later |
| 21:54:30 | benmeyer | goes home for candy |
| 21:54:50 | Twiun | Harlekin: someone with the nick BigBuG joined #openzaurus ;-) |
| 21:54:59 | Harlekin | ah |
| 21:55:14 | kolla | hm.. xchat.. server list.. server.. channels.. how do one enter more channels? I have tried both comma separated and space separed.. no go |
| 21:55:17 | Twiun | Harlekin: what can I say... it's getting late - my jokes are getting worse... |
| 21:55:48 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 21:55:58 | Harlekin | Twiun: any progress ? |
| 21:56:42 | Twiun | Harlekin: Yup! Touchscreen works beautifully |
| 21:57:07 | Harlekin | Twiun: opie integration? |
| 21:57:32 | Twiun | Harlekin: LOL, not for a while - need those Qt bindings that Beattie will have to backport from Qt3 |
| 21:57:56 | Twiun | Harlekin: give me those and I'd say about 2 weeks |
| 21:58:04 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 21:58:05 | Harlekin | k |
| 22:00:34 | Saurian | Anyone know offhand if linksys wireless cf cards work with the Z? |
| 22:01:02 | levi | Yeah, I use a linksys card. |
| 22:01:05 | mark | Saurian: yeah, me too |
| 22:01:18 | Saurian | Sweet. Thanks. |
| 22:02:41 | mark | wcf11 sticks out a bit though :) |
| 22:05:33 | JasonNJ | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2002/ft021031.gif |
| 22:06:01 | Bones3D | yeah saurian... I have one too |
| 22:08:30 | xml0 | anyone got bluez working on the Z? |
| 22:11:48 | Neo|Work | mark: not that I know of. |
| 22:28:08 | kryhme | is myzaurus.com the only place to download the sharp rom from? |
| 22:28:16 | kergoth | assuming 5500 rom, yes |
| 22:28:22 | kryhme | thx |
| 22:28:26 | kergoth | np |
| 22:37:24 | oGMo | aww |
| 22:37:32 | oGMo | no stylesheets for konq? ;) |
| 22:44:44 | oGMo | er hrm |
| 22:45:24 | oGMo | is OZ missing some images? lots of stuff keeps saying "Image is a null image" |
| 22:47:01 | Twiun | oGMo: lots of the Sharp stuff does that if run from the console... |
| 22:48:40 | oGMo | Twiun: ah.. this is opie stuff, but i guess it means the same |
| 22:49:18 | danie | hey I got oz working |
| 22:49:28 | Twiun | oGMo: yeah... I'd imagine there's a Qt function for finding images (with debug) and the programs try several locations to find images |
| 22:49:30 | danie | I love i, but I have a few questions |
| 22:49:36 | Twiun | danie: well done ;-) |
| 22:49:53 | erikd | heya danie |
| 22:49:59 | oGMo | install stuff to ROM and sadly watches the last 2 megs dwindle ;) |
| 22:50:04 | oGMo | Twiun: ah |
| 22:50:10 | danie | Occasionally, especially after installing progs is crashes |
| 22:50:16 | danie | hey erik |
| 22:50:33 | danie | I get dumped to a black terminal |
| 22:50:34 | kergoth | danie: the aqpkg crash is reported in the opie bug tracker, just wait for the fix |
| 22:50:36 | danie | and login as root |
| 22:50:50 | danie | How do I start up opie |
| 22:50:56 | danie | w/o a hard rest |
| 22:50:57 | erikd | /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 22:50:57 | danie | reset |
| 22:51:00 | kergoth | danie: rtfm |
| 22:51:00 | oGMo | danie: just use ipkg from the command like |
| 22:51:04 | oGMo | it's much nicer |
| 22:51:04 | kergoth | danie: this is in the fAQ |
| 22:51:31 | danie | ok one more.... |
| 22:51:32 | erikd | kergoth: what about the segfault with Launcher? |
| 22:51:41 | danie | This is more out of curiousity |
| 22:51:48 | erikd | it's pink. |
| 22:51:49 | danie | The beta had a login screen |
| 22:51:55 | danie | I d/led users |
| 22:52:08 | kergoth | erikd: launcher settings? |
| 22:52:12 | erikd | i think there's an opie-login package |
| 22:52:13 | kergoth | erikd: sandman fixeed taht one already :) |
| 22:52:14 | erikd | kergoth: yeah |
| 22:52:15 | erikd | oh |
| 22:52:18 | danie | when I logoff I get dumped to the terminal |
| 22:52:22 | kergoth | erikd: in cvs anyway |
| 22:52:27 | kergoth | erikd: i'll do a new opie build tomorrow |
| 22:52:31 | erikd | cool |
| 22:52:44 | erikd | that means i have a day to get my z to see the net ;) |
| 22:52:51 | oGMo | _nice_ i've got all the apps installed besides games with space left over |
| 22:53:02 | erikd | really needs a wlan cf card |
| 22:53:14 | kergoth | oGMo: writable flash is spiffy, no? |
| 22:53:23 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah |
| 22:53:51 | oGMo | ewps |
| 22:54:27 | oGMo | kergoth: i dunno who reported the aqpkg seg or what they reported, but hte problem may be in ipkg |
| 22:54:38 | oGMo | cuz it just segged and i was installing remotely ;) |
| 22:55:01 | kergoth | oGMo: geh.. andyq mentioned that ipkg may be segfaulting |
| 22:55:07 | kergoth | oGMo: but that -shouldnt- crash opie |
| 22:55:17 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah... weirdness |
| 22:55:17 | kergoth | oGMo: so i think aqpkg isnt reacting properly to ipkg aborting ugly |
| 22:55:41 | oGMo | kergoth: ...yeah but opie just croaked while using nothing but ipkg |
| 22:55:55 | kergoth | opie segfaulted running ipkg from konsole? |
| 22:55:57 | oGMo | otoh, it _may_ be a malfunctioning install script, i'd have to test |
| 22:55:58 | kergoth | that shouldnt be possible |
| 22:56:02 | kergoth | ahhh |
| 22:56:02 | oGMo | kergoth: from ssh, even |
| 22:56:07 | kergoth | ssh? |
| 22:56:12 | kergoth | i'd think itd be a postinst in a opie app |
| 22:56:12 | oGMo | i'm ssh'ing in |
| 22:56:13 | kergoth | weird |
| 22:56:16 | kergoth | oh |
| 22:56:18 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 22:56:18 | oGMo | i can type easier ;) |
| 22:56:22 | kergoth | what were you installing? |
| 22:56:56 | oGMo | kergoth: opie games... bounce, kbill, tetrix, kpacman... not sure exactly when it died, may have been a bit earlier |
| 22:57:04 | kergoth | oGMo: gotcha. did you install any applets? |
| 22:57:13 | kergoth | oGMo: i'm thinking it could be due to calls to the 'qcop' binary |
| 22:57:16 | oGMo | kergoth: ahhh yes |
| 22:57:17 | kergoth | oGMo: like to refresh teh applets.. |
| 22:57:23 | oGMo | i installed teh screenshot one |
| 22:57:26 | kergoth | bingo |
| 22:57:31 | kergoth | i bet something is b0rked in qcop |
| 22:57:36 | kergoth | time to play around |
| 22:58:07 | oGMo | opie-sh is fired for making its own tab :) |
| 22:58:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:58:32 | wParam | hey... if i had a suggestion of a way to let opie-sh apps have icons in the taskbar, where should I direct it? (it's like 10 lines of code in opie-sh) |
| 22:59:19 | kergoth | wParam: its maintainer. iirc spiralman maintains it.. check the control file |
| 22:59:20 | oGMo | gah, tab manager can't move icons |
| 22:59:22 | oGMo | ah well |
| 22:59:24 | oGMo | mv's |
| 23:00:50 | timp | HI, I have just managed to telnet in to my SL-5000D for the first time! |
| 23:01:39 | Twiun | applauds timp! |
| 23:01:46 | kergoth | telnet? |
| 23:01:51 | kergoth | smacks timp with a copy of openssh |
| 23:01:56 | oGMo | ssh is what all the cool kids use now |
| 23:02:07 | Twiun | lol... telnet is at least a beginning ;-) |
| 23:02:15 | Twiun | we can mend his ways |
| 23:02:36 | oGMo | plus, i dunno what it is about the Sharp stuff, but I/O has serious issues that OZ3 seems to lack |
| 23:02:50 | oGMo | like in the old rom, it'd hang while copying stuff |
| 23:03:06 | timp | I bought it a year ago, then found it assumed I had a windows box to communicate with it. Gavin Cary sent me a CF with ROM 1.38 on it, I believe I had 1.0.2, with no USB settings. |
| 23:03:35 | wParam | oGMo: yeah... though i've only seen that when using the ftp server through usb. |
| 23:03:48 | wParam | hasn't happened with samba over wireless yet |
| 23:03:53 | oGMo | wParam: i had issues copying to various media cards, etc. |
| 23:03:58 | oGMo | maybe they were unrelated |
| 23:04:03 | kergoth | oGMo: i remember those |
| 23:04:08 | kergoth | itd freak |
| 23:04:10 | kergoth | on large files |
| 23:04:10 | wParam | could be... |
| 23:04:12 | oGMo | yeah |
| 23:04:22 | kergoth | you know how i got the original romimage off my Z |
| 23:04:26 | kergoth | before 1.02 came out |
| 23:04:30 | kergoth | i used dd to split it apart |
| 23:04:33 | kergoth | copied it piece by piece |
| 23:04:34 | oGMo | HAH |
| 23:04:36 | kergoth | and reassembled with dd |
| 23:04:37 | kergoth | that blew |
| 23:04:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:04:46 | wParam | wow |
| 23:04:46 | oGMo | yes i can imagine it did :) |
| 23:04:47 | timp | kergoth: of course, but you need to get SSH onto it, I believe so need to enable FTP and telnet |
| 23:05:00 | kergoth | timp: telnet isnt necessary to copy files |
| 23:05:13 | kergoth | timp: ftp works decently |
| 23:05:38 | timp | Oh, mine doesn't |
| 23:05:54 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:06:20 | timp | I get 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection. |
| 23:07:48 | timp | I also have a problem with su, I have changed teh password but I cannot login as root or su once logged in as a normal user |
| 23:08:31 | kergoth | timp: try OZ :) |
| 23:10:40 | oGMo | hrm |
| 23:11:34 | timp | kergoth: what proportion of Z programmers use OZ ? |
| 23:11:50 | kergoth | timp: no idea. not like i survey people or something :) |
| 23:12:04 | erikd | i use it! |
| 23:12:06 | timp | :) |
| 23:12:20 | erikd | kergoth is my idol |
| 23:12:24 | erikd | :) |
| 23:12:30 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:12:44 | kergoth | i can barely call myself a developer, at least you wrote statgrapher |
| 23:12:45 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:13:00 | erikd | i betcha -he- could get statgrapher whipped into shape |
| 23:13:04 | erikd | ... =/ |
| 23:13:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:13:18 | kergoth | might be able to get it to work |
| 23:13:22 | kergoth | i'm very good at making things work |
| 23:13:28 | erikd | also notes he should start commenting his code |
| 23:13:30 | kergoth | but i'm shitty as hell at architecting or designing something |
| 23:14:09 | erikd | i'm sitting here trying to fix a minor glitch on the graph and i can't figure out wtf this code does |
| 23:19:34 | erikd | ... lemme guess. qtopia doesn't have the rotate function built into QPainter? |
| 23:24:32 | Bovine | nn |
| 23:42:23 | mark | anyone interested in beta testing Repton Zaurus - http://www.masabi.com/repton/zaurus.html ? |
| 23:48:36 | Bruton | bring it on |
| 23:48:48 | Sniper1 | later all |
| 23:50:41 | Bruton | later |
| 23:51:51 | Cloudchaser | what is it mark? |
| 23:52:09 | mark | Cloudchaser: a 'thinking man's' arcade game |
| 23:53:11 | Cloudchaser | oh i want to try it! |
| 23:53:16 | Cloudchaser | it looks pretty! |
| 23:54:48 | Cloudchaser | can i download it from that link? |
| 23:55:01 | mark | nah, not yet, i'll upoad it to my server in a sec, just making the ipk now |
| 23:55:12 | Cloudchaser | ok :) you made the game? |
| 23:55:19 | mark | i've ported it from pocketpc |
| 23:55:22 | Cloudchaser | very nice web site |
| 23:55:37 | mark | Cloudchaser: heh, yeh it is. not mine, the graphics guy is brilliant |
| 23:56:10 | Cloudchaser | so you going into the porting business like neo? |
| 23:58:19 | Saurian | More new games? }:) |
| 23:59:04 | Cloudchaser | yeppers! looks like it :) |
| 23:59:06 | mark | Cloudchaser: erm, well i've done this one, i'll see what else comes my way, but no major plans |
| 23:59:23 | Cloudchaser | i want commander keen 4 on the z ::) |
| 23:59:29 | Cloudchaser | but its old dos game |
| 23:59:48 | Saurian | So? Emulate it. }:) |
| 23:59:52 | wParam | we need a scorched earth clone, too |
