| 00:00:00 | kergoth | omoore: k |
| 00:00:06 | omoore | kergoth: ahh good... |
| 00:00:21 | omoore | kergoth: i just sent a completely working script |
| 00:00:37 | kergoth | omoore: fyi, $0 is always the script being called. I'll s/$SN/$0/; :) |
| 00:00:48 | omoore | kergoth: it uses /tmp/resolv.conf tho instead of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:00:59 | omoore | kergoth: just change the expcected location variable |
| 00:01:04 | omoore | kergoth: $0 <- thanks |
| 00:01:30 | omoore | kergoth: btw... the script will be GPL right? not proprietary |
| 00:02:04 | omoore | kergoth: i'm not really all that great at scripts.. the switches should be handled better.. an enhancement would be... |
| 00:02:16 | raster | damn scripts |
| 00:02:21 | omoore | kergoth: to allow -a 192.168.1.1 -r 192.168.1.2 (as an example) |
| 00:02:35 | omoore | kergoth: but my script only allows one action at a time |
| 00:02:50 | omoore | kergoth: i could have done the other.. but that's too much work right now |
| 00:02:53 | kergoth | omoore: understood. |
| 00:03:12 | raster | need code |
| 00:03:14 | raster | not scripts! |
| 00:03:15 | raster | :) |
| 00:03:17 | hardwire | blah |
| 00:03:19 | raster | much more robust |
| 00:03:20 | raster | :) |
| 00:03:33 | kergoth | omoore: this is definately suffficient, thanks a lot. now ben's opie networksetup app will be able to set dns entries using a pre-up entry in /etc/network/interfaces :) |
| 00:03:36 | raster | and then you cant have people poke around easily in the program and mess it up :) |
| 00:03:42 | kergoth | agreed |
| 00:03:48 | kergoth | I spend too much time scripting and not enough time coding |
| 00:03:53 | kergoth | hows life been treating you raster |
| 00:03:55 | hardwire | where is a good place to buy cisco equipment? |
| 00:04:09 | raster | kergoth: not too foul. got too much to do and too little time to do it in |
| 00:04:27 | kergoth | raster: the usual, then :) |
| 00:04:36 | raster | hehehehe |
| 00:04:37 | raster | yup |
| 00:05:05 | raster | i've overcommited myself as usual |
| 00:05:05 | raster | :) |
| 00:05:20 | raster | i think i'm just going to hunker down and write some demos for a bit |
| 00:05:27 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 00:05:42 | omoore | kergoth: if you need anything else.. just send me a mail... |
| 00:05:48 | omoore | kergoth: i'll do what i can... |
| 00:06:08 | kergoth | thanks :) |
| 00:09:24 | omoore | anyone here have vncserver working on SL-5500? |
| 00:09:30 | omoore | when i try to run it... |
| 00:09:34 | omoore | i get seg fault |
| 00:09:40 | omoore | vncviewer runs just vine |
| 00:09:45 | omoore | s/vine/fine |
| 00:16:19 | ljp | brrrrrr |
| 00:19:23 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 00:36:49 | SegPhault | hello everybody. |
| 00:37:18 | SegPhault | i'm endevouring to compile some software for the zaurus, been using the instructions that came with the qtopia sdk, can't seem to get it to work. |
| 00:37:53 | ljp | whats the error? |
| 00:37:56 | SegPhault | during final link, it throws me about a billion errors.... I think it has to do with the libraries. |
| 00:39:35 | SegPhault | most of the error lines start with: 'undefined reference' |
| 00:40:06 | ljp | well, 1) you dont have it set up correctly yet 2) you tried to use classes that arent configured into the qtopia qte |
| 00:40:36 | ljp | or 3) your TMAKEPATH is wrong |
| 00:40:42 | SegPhault | i'm compiling the example project, so I should hope that rules out option 2. |
| 00:40:48 | ljp | ok |
| 00:40:58 | SegPhault | what ought the tmakepath be? |
| 00:41:57 | ljp | you compiling for arm? pr qvfb on your desktop? |
| 00:41:59 | SegPhault | currently have it set to: '/opt/Qtopia/tmake/lib/qws/linux-sharp-g++' |
| 00:42:10 | SegPhault | compiling for arm. |
| 00:42:19 | ljp | ok, then that is correct |
| 00:43:00 | SegPhault | what other elements could be misconfigured? |
| 00:43:59 | SegPhault | when I use the normal $QTDIR/lib for qt3 rather than the qtopia equivelant, it compiles fine but won't run. |
| 00:44:23 | SegPhault | that's what leads me to believe that whatever i'm doing wrong is related to the libraries. |
| 00:44:43 | ljp | here's one way of setting it up http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 00:45:07 | SegPhault | read that tutorial. doesn't work either. |
| 00:47:04 | SegPhault | i'm using those rpms, and i've tried the environment variable settings from that tutorial as well as the environment variables suggested in the qtopida sdk doc. |
| 00:49:42 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:50:21 | Piete | anyone know where I can get 2.38? |
| 00:51:00 | ljp | myzaurus.com |
| 00:51:04 | Piete | k |
| 00:51:07 | Piete | thanks |
| 00:51:11 | ljp | :D |
| 00:52:40 | Piete | Does 2.38 have a newer version of wlan_ng than 2.37? |
| 01:01:36 | Speedy2 | re |
| 01:06:49 | NoGoodNick | I synch my zaurus wirelessly to to Linux box. Much faster than the old USB-to-Windows thing. |
| 01:07:11 | Speedy2 | Is it ? |
| 01:07:21 | Piete | NoGoodNick: nice... I wish I could get my card to work |
| 01:08:07 | NoGoodNick | What card are you using? |
| 01:08:50 | Piete | Dlink DCF-650W |
| 01:09:01 | Piete | its supposed to work.. but it doesnt. :/ |
| 01:09:07 | Speedy2 | NoGoodNick: How much data is involved in your synching? |
| 01:10:37 | NoGoodNick | I have the Linksys WCF11, and it works very well. Speedy2, my data is only the standard day to day synch with Qtopia, so it isn't huge |
| 01:10:56 | NoGoodNick | My wireless router is a Dlink though |
| 01:11:10 | Speedy2 | Hrm. And synching via USB took that much time? Suck. |
| 01:11:41 | Piete | NoGoodNick: well, actually I just can't get the card to work with kismet.. |
| 01:11:52 | NoGoodNick | No, it's jusrt that the wireless seems faster |
| 01:12:26 | Boog | I have the wcf12 card and it works great just had to edit the wlan_ng to make it go |
| 01:13:00 | Piete | I think I'm flashing the normal Z rom again... I'm running OZ at the moment.. |
| 01:13:04 | NoGoodNick | can you connect at all with the wireless? |
| 01:13:25 | Boog | I'm gonna tre oz3 when it comes :-) |
| 01:13:33 | Boog | tre=try |
| 01:13:46 | Piete | NoGoodNick: well, I have no way to test it.. I got the card for free with the Zaurus, and I don't have any other equipment :) |
| 01:14:35 | NoGoodNick | Piete, if you have no other wireless equipment, the card is no good to you. :-) |
| 01:15:14 | Piete | NoGoodNick: I know, as I said, I got it for free, and I want to test it out,, I'm in the middle of a big city, so there should be plenty of free nets |
| 01:15:18 | oGMo | ...unless you live in a metropolitan area... check your local business district for listings. They'll be in chalk. |
| 01:15:36 | Piete | NoGoodNick: and I plan on getting some other cards anyway |
| 01:15:57 | NoGoodNick | I'm using the original OS that came with t, I haven't flashed yet |
| 01:16:54 | ciaolinux | chouimat|drunk: what did you eat (to make you drunk)? |
| 01:17:06 | Boog | lol |
| 01:17:28 | NoGoodNick | Email is great on it, but surfing the internet is almost useless. |
| 01:17:32 | Piete | yea, I think I'm gonna flash the original ROM again... |
| 01:18:29 | Speedy2 | How can you write e-mails on the Z? Isn't it annoying using the keyboard for long messages or writing on the screen? |
| 01:18:32 | Speedy2 | wonders about that. |
| 01:18:57 | NoGoodNick | You have to have a cf card to flash, right? |
| 01:19:51 | Coup-PDA | question: when an ipkg refuses to install due to it wanting to install files peovided by other ipks and -force-depends doesnt do anything, how do you install it without extracting the ipk and doing it manually? |
| 01:20:05 | NoGoodNick | Speedy2: I find writing with the stylus rather easy, so it's no a big problem. One of the big selling point for me was the kb, but I rarely use it. |
| 01:20:19 | Coup-PDA | NoGoodNick: yup, 32mb or more, fat16 |
| 01:20:27 | Piete | hmm, do I have to have an ip configure for my wlan card to make kismet work? |
| 01:20:57 | Piete | s/configure/configured |
| 01:21:39 | Coup-PDA | Piete: no |
| 01:21:40 | NoGoodNick | I'm not that familiar with kismet, so I can't say. I would guess that you need ip configured for anything to work though |
| 01:21:51 | Coup-PDA | Piete: kismet turns it off anyway |
| 01:22:27 | Piete | Coup-PDA: ok, thanks... I wonder what else is preventing kismet for capturing packets... |
| 01:22:31 | Coup-PDA | Piete: have you installed qt-kismet? easiest way to go war walking/driving |
| 01:22:44 | Coup-PDA | what card u using? |
| 01:22:55 | Piete | Dlink-650W |
| 01:23:17 | Coup-PDA | using oz or sharp rom? |
| 01:23:21 | Piete | I'm using plain vanilla kismet at the moment.. but its not detecting anything,.. |
| 01:23:25 | Piete | OZ prerelease |
| 01:23:32 | Piete | and Sharp (yesterday) |
| 01:23:41 | Coup-PDA | k, heres what i did to get mine going |
| 01:26:33 | Coup-PDA | install oz prerelease, install kismet, and qt-kismet, popped in card (MA701) configured using wifi setup (crashes on network part but writes out the wifi config), adjusted interfaces to set an IP and i was on my network. running qt-kismet switches off ip and led on card starts flashing, detecting networks, beeps each find, when i close qt-kismet it goes back to my normal config |
| 01:26:56 | Coup-PDA | slow typing on this :) |
| 01:27:01 | Piete | cool, thanks! :) |
| 01:27:17 | Piete | oh btw, I just found this on Dlink's site in the 650W manual : |
| 01:27:20 | Piete | Operating Channels " 11 United States (FCC) " 11 Canada (DOC) |
| 01:27:31 | Piete | and I don't live in either country :/ |
| 01:27:40 | Piete | could be a problem no? |
| 01:27:42 | Coup-PDA | where r u? |
| 01:27:47 | Piete | South Korea |
| 01:27:57 | Piete | I bought the card from the US |
| 01:28:06 | Coup-PDA | u probably have more channels available then |
| 01:28:39 | Coup-PDA | can you go somewhere you know has an 802.11b net to confirm its working? |
| 01:29:31 | Piete | Coup-PDA: I could, I should just find out if I know anyone with a wireless.. :) |
| 01:30:53 | Coup-PDA | do it, its save time |
| 01:31:01 | Piete | it seems that there is 3 more channels here (01-14) |
| 01:31:33 | Coup-PDA | also, ive noticed if you power off the Z with kismet open, you need to close and restart it else youll find no more networks |
| 01:31:49 | Coup-PDA | anyway, time for me to sleep |
| 01:31:51 | br33zy | heh |
| 01:31:55 | Coup-PDA | l8r all |
| 01:31:56 | Piete | thanks,, bye Coup-PDA :) |
| 01:32:02 | Coup-PDA | no probs |
| 01:40:40 | Piete_ | damn netsplit |
| 01:47:49 | Piete | yo smee|h |
| 01:47:55 | smee|h | hi Piete |
| 01:58:02 | Snipah | hello? |
| 01:58:22 | Piete | yo Snipah :) |
| 01:58:33 | Piete | yo treke|home |
| 01:58:43 | chouimat | hi Snipah |
| 01:58:46 | Snipah | hi |
| 02:00:42 | kergoth | hey Snipah |
| 02:01:07 | Snipah | kergoth - jason give u the new PIM formatting? |
| 02:01:40 | kergoth | hmm I dont think so. this a recent thing? |
| 02:01:45 | kergoth | i got nothing from him today |
| 02:19:57 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 02:19:57 | Piete | ibot: feed |
| 03:17:17 | erikd | kicks his job |
| 03:17:21 | erikd | kicks school |
| 03:17:23 | warmi | well, that's interesting |
| 03:19:09 | warmi | well, during the last 2 months I managed to forget most of Qt |
| 03:19:15 | br33zy | oooo |
| 03:19:17 | br33zy | warmi is here |
| 03:19:31 | erikd | warmi: yeah, i was getting close |
| 03:19:35 | erikd | but it's like riding a bike :) |
| 03:20:52 | warmi | yeah, I know erikd |
| 03:21:26 | erikd | t = ( ( d * i ) / p ) + plotYTicksMin; |
| 03:21:27 | ljp | forgets always about Qt, whoch is why he keeps the api docs very handy |
| 03:21:32 | erikd | that's giving me the exception |
| 03:21:47 | erikd | would i get that if p == 0? |
| 03:22:34 | warmi | ljp: yeah, but at one point I was able to recall APIs from memory ... |
| 03:22:46 | erikd | actually, that's not enough to tell what's wrong =) |
| 03:22:50 | warmi | frankly, that's not a big deal with Qt since it is so logically written and named |
| 03:22:58 | warmi | what are the variables ? |
| 03:23:01 | ljp | oh, you mean like CString? ;) |
| 03:23:22 | warmi | hehehe |
| 03:23:31 | warmi | no, nobody uses CString |
| 03:23:34 | erikd | warmi: i'm trying to remember it myself... |
| 03:23:39 | warmi | nobody who values their sanity ,that is |
| 03:24:26 | wParam | hmm... QWidget::setIcon doesn't do anything useful in qtopia, does it... |
| 03:24:27 | ljp | pretty bad.. I'm on a Spanish language spam list for years |
| 03:24:42 | ljp | nope |
| 03:24:44 | warmi | wParam: I don't think it does |
| 03:25:15 | wParam | hmm |
| 03:25:17 | wParam | goes back to trying to figure out why opie-sh doesn't get an icon |
| 03:25:50 | erikd | t is a signed int, d is a signed int with the height / the line frequency, i is the loop counter in the for loop (int), p is the height / ( minimum ticks on y - maximum ticks on y ) |
| 03:25:52 | erikd | there :) |
| 03:26:06 | erikd | they're all signed ints besides i, which is an int |
| 03:26:26 | erikd | ljp: yeah, i'm on one, too |
| 03:26:36 | warmi | the only way you could get an exception here would be if p was 0 |
| 03:26:54 | erikd | hmm |
| 03:27:02 | erikd | looks over his code again |
| 03:27:20 | warmi | I keep getting ,what I asume are chinese spam, it reads like bunch of random ascii chars |
| 03:27:20 | erikd | why would it say floating point exception and not divide by 0? |
| 03:27:35 | warmi | it would say divide by 0 |
| 03:27:46 | warmi | frankly, I don't remember what exactly floating point exception is |
| 03:27:50 | warmi | never seen that one |
| 03:27:58 | erikd | blech, lucky me :) |
| 03:28:40 | warmi | erikd: do assert on p!=0 |
| 03:28:44 | warmi | just for heck of it |
| 03:29:04 | erikd | doesn't know how to use assert |
| 03:29:08 | erikd | :) |
| 03:29:16 | warmi | #include "assert.h" |
| 03:29:22 | warmi | assert(p!=0) |
| 03:29:31 | erikd | ah |
| 03:29:36 | warmi | could be "asert" with one 's' |
| 03:29:40 | warmi | I never remember that one |
| 03:29:58 | warmi | but I think it is with 2 s |
| 03:30:02 | erikd | assert looks right |
| 03:30:13 | erikd | i've heard of it, just don't know what it's for/how to use it |
| 03:30:48 | noda | asert doesn't have any meaning. |
| 03:30:51 | erikd | assertion failed |
| 03:30:56 | erikd | is that good or bad? |
| 03:30:59 | erikd | :) |
| 03:31:02 | warmi | well, then there is your answer |
| 03:31:02 | noda | erikd: That means p=0 :) |
| 03:31:07 | erikd | ah |
| 03:31:08 | warmi | it means you are diving by 0 |
| 03:31:10 | erikd | ok then |
| 03:31:33 | warmi | that is good of course ;-) |
| 03:31:35 | erikd | so it fails if the thing you put in the assert is false? |
| 03:31:47 | erikd | otherwise it keeps going? |
| 03:32:15 | warmi | yeah, it tells you to make sure that condition specified in assert is true |
| 03:32:15 | noda | warmi: It's good to divide by 0? |
| 03:32:23 | warmi | otherwise , just quite |
| 03:32:34 | noda | Doesn't that give "undefined behavior"? :) |
| 03:32:38 | erikd | noda: in this case, yeah |
| 03:32:43 | warmi | noda: it is good to know that it is just diving by 0 as opposed to more rare error |
| 03:32:44 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:32:48 | treke|home | noda: yes it is. We need to keep trying it until we get the right answer |
| 03:32:56 | noda | lol |
| 03:33:23 | erikd | warmi: thanks :) |
| 03:33:32 | Pendalar | this is off topic guys, but since this is some of the techiest people I know... anyone Cisco cert. or close enough and knows much about DC/AC |
| 03:33:32 | noda | remembers from a while ago someone telling him about the doomsday machine or something, the theorhetical computer which would explode the world on "undefined behavior" :) |
| 03:33:51 | noda | lol, I know how to use 'ipchains' and 'iptables' and 'route'... :P |
| 03:34:00 | noda | I've seen a cisco console once :P |
| 03:34:30 | erikd | took 2 years of classes on cisco certs... but i'll be damned if i remember any of it :) |
| 03:34:33 | Pendalar | hopefully someone.. |
| 03:34:45 | wParam | DAH! it assigns the icon based on the argv[0] you pass to the QPEApplication constructor! |
| 03:34:59 | wParam | what, does it do a reverse lookup of all the .desktop files in the menus? |
| 03:35:04 | Pendalar | it didn't come with the adapter, which would be 48v DC.... I'm in US needing AC |
| 03:35:07 | warmi | noda: I know that too .. or rather how to copy verbatim iptables "default configuration" from the net and modify to fit my network ( change IPs ) ;-) |
| 03:35:18 | wParam | kicks qtopia |
| 03:35:34 | Pendalar | radio shack doesn't have 48v DC adapters, nor can order... and cisco doesn't like residential customers |
| 03:35:35 | noda | lol |
| 03:35:54 | Pendalar | soo I'll hush about it, but seriously if anyone has an idea I'd be greatful |
| 03:36:25 | erikd | pendalar: ebay? |
| 03:36:26 | warmi | Pendalar: my wife is Cisco certified of some sorts |
| 03:36:33 | warmi | but I have no idea what exactly it is |
| 03:37:02 | Pendalar | can you get her on? |
| 03:37:06 | Ghent19 | i am equiv of CCIE with Ericsson Tigris routers, but havnt had much exp with cisco yet |
| 03:37:09 | Pendalar | erikd probably, it's from my boss |
| 03:37:51 | Cloudchaser | Pendalar: what are you looking for? |
| 03:37:58 | warmi | Pendalar : uh .. she already looked at your question - she doesn't know :-) |
| 03:38:52 | wParam | holy crap, it does base it on the executable name... why would they search all those .desktop files to find the right one? how is that a good idea?? |
| 03:41:06 | noda | wParam: Doesn't it do a lookup on all the .desktop files on opie boot and cache it? |
| 03:41:35 | wParam | yeah... that's probably what it does |
| 03:41:50 | ChipX86 | unless I'm insane and imagined there being a website there |
| 03:42:05 | wParam | but still... |
| 03:42:09 | ChipX86 | which feels very possible today :) |
| 03:42:59 | warmi | I think www.zaurus.com used to redirect to www.myzaurus.com |
| 03:43:10 | warmi | now it asks for a password |
| 03:43:12 | warmi | who knows |
| 03:43:29 | warmi | perhaps Sharp ( who owns this domain) has some other plans for it |
| 03:43:38 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 03:43:49 | ChipX86 | I was trying to get to the contest info page, which used to be on zaurus.com |
| 03:44:47 | warmi | ChipX86 did you participate in that contest ? |
| 03:44:50 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 03:45:16 | wParam | ok, great... so we add an -argv0 param to opie-sh and we should have opie-sh apps that act like regular ones |
| 03:45:28 | warmi | which app ? |
| 03:45:28 | wParam | goes in search of an opie-sh using script to test the theory |
| 03:45:33 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 03:45:33 | ChipX86 | BilliardZ |
| 03:45:38 | warmi | hey tux_mike |
| 03:45:52 | ChipX86 | I wsa trying to find the exact due date. It's a bit behind schedule, but I'm almost ready to send in the final |
| 03:45:56 | tux_mike | anything more at the trib? |
| 03:45:59 | warmi | oh that one , never had a chance to try it but it looks very cool juding by the screenshots |
| 03:46:12 | ChipX86 | thanks. It has a lot of bugs, but some people apparently like it :) |
| 03:46:18 | warmi | tux_mike : actually I did ask again last night and got the very same answer |
| 03:46:30 | warmi | suppose to be calling folks any time now |
| 03:46:41 | tux_mike | gotta love RSNs :) |
| 03:46:47 | warmi | tux_mike : bad financial shape ? |
| 03:46:57 | tux_mike | decent |
| 03:47:05 | warmi | I can ask in other places .. give you some contacts if you want |
| 03:47:10 | tux_mike | i can stand a month or so. |
| 03:47:14 | tux_mike | possibly more |
| 03:47:32 | tux_mike | i don't have many debts/bills, and i have a small store of cash |
| 03:47:38 | warmi | frankly, I know of only one support/technical job |
| 03:47:42 | warmi | my buddy works there |
| 03:47:53 | warmi | but it is consulting company of sorts |
| 03:48:01 | warmi | you drive to different places every day |
| 03:48:06 | warmi | kinda sucks if you ask me |
| 03:48:31 | warmi | if this thing with Trib doesn't work out within a month or so |
| 03:48:36 | tux_mike | yah |
| 03:48:37 | warmi | I can get you in touch with that guy |
| 03:49:04 | warmi | it is located in burbs ( the consulting place ) |
| 03:49:06 | warmi | will see |
| 03:49:07 | tux_mike | on-site isn't bad. i'd prefer the trib job, though, because it's in one place |
| 03:49:22 | warmi | yeah I know - I hope this works out after all |
| 03:49:26 | Pendalar | I'd love a linux job, or even decently techy one.. but GA, USA isn't the most tech place outside Atlanta |
| 03:49:28 | warmi | it is really out of my hands at this point |
| 03:49:31 | warmi | can only wait |
| 03:49:31 | Pendalar | fat chance ;-) |
| 03:49:36 | tux_mike | i know |
| 03:50:05 | warmi | Pendalar : linux jobs are realtively hard to come by |
| 03:50:19 | Pendalar | sadly |
| 03:50:23 | warmi | usually it is either windows support or biger iron like Solaris etc .. |
| 03:50:27 | tux_mike | now time to load up openoffice and get my 8051 docs |
| 03:50:44 | tux_mike | linux is getting more and more visibilty, though |
| 03:50:56 | warmi | I am a programmer so I am not exactly in the market for this kind of stuff - this is mostly second hand info from folks who work support jobs |
| 03:51:27 | Pendalar | I can't find any programming jobs either locally |
| 03:51:34 | Pendalar | or anyone willing to do remote |
| 03:51:38 | warmi | tux_mike right now there is an internal struggle going on between Oracle and mysql ( of all things) |
| 03:51:44 | Pendalar | I need to move ;-) |
| 03:51:58 | tux_mike | wow |
| 03:52:02 | warmi | some want to run farm of intel boxes running mysql + linux as opposed to Oracle |
| 03:52:02 | erikd | pendalar: you have better luck there than here in WI |
| 03:52:20 | warmi | Oracle is expensive like hell, that's the main problem - and our databases are read-only mostly |
| 03:52:21 | tux_mike | but mysql isn't that good in an enterprise |
| 03:52:31 | tux_mike | no transaction and some other things that i forget |
| 03:52:41 | warmi | remember , our databases are mostly for feeding data outside |
| 03:52:49 | erikd | i think the commercial version has transaction support |
| 03:52:58 | warmi | not many transations beyond data loading scripts |
| 03:53:24 | tux_mike | hrmmm |
| 03:53:32 | tux_mike | wow |
| 03:53:35 | warmi | well, we would keep Oracle for some stuff |
| 03:53:44 | tux_mike | i'm getting 71.9KB/sec from OO.org |
| 03:53:48 | warmi | it is just , we are trying to avoid buying more and more licenses from them |
| 03:53:54 | tux_mike | i've never seen such a high transfer |
| 03:53:58 | warmi | each time we install new CPU or a new machine |
| 03:55:19 | tux_mike | yah, paying for software sucks :) |
| 03:55:29 | erikd | lubs linux |
| 03:55:33 | tux_mike | especially when it's for crazy companies like oracle |
| 03:55:53 | erikd | my boss doesn't understand the gpl =/ |
| 03:55:57 | warmi | as far as I know, in our case it is 20 K per CPU |
| 03:56:04 | erikd | GAH |
| 03:56:04 | roge99 | warmi: ive seen lots of companies doing what your talking about |
| 03:56:15 | tux_mike | woah |
| 03:56:27 | warmi | roge99: the biggest problem is to convice people .. |
| 03:56:32 | erikd | my boss keeps thinking we can just take gpl'ed software and then sell it to clients |
| 03:56:36 | roge99 | mysql and/or postgres both work well |
| 03:57:04 | roge99 | erikd: you can ... you just need to give em the source as well |
| 03:57:14 | warmi | well, not for everything but surely they would be perfect for us where speed of retrieving data is pretty much the most importand factor |
| 03:57:26 | erikd | roge99: yeah, but he doesn't want to give the source |
| 03:57:39 | warmi | erikd : who do you work for ? what kind of company ? |
| 03:57:43 | roge99 | warmi: mysql is pretty fast |
| 03:57:49 | erikd | warmi: web design |
| 03:57:59 | warmi | roge99 : yeah I know, definately faster than Oracle |
| 03:58:16 | warmi | erikd : oh well, GPL doesn't work well there, does it ? |
| 03:58:19 | erikd | he wants to sell something like phpbb as a package |
| 03:58:21 | erikd | well |
| 03:58:23 | erikd | i guess not |
| 03:58:39 | warmi | phpbb ? like a ph pbased b. board ? |
| 03:59:12 | erikd | yup |
| 03:59:17 | Ghent19 | phpbb is nice |
| 03:59:44 | erikd | i'm going to set up phpbb for one of my project sites so people don't keep emailing me for help |
| 03:59:49 | erikd | hopefully they'll just use that |
| 03:59:50 | erikd | :) |
| 04:00:09 | warmi | anyone here heard about Vignette StoryServer ? |
| 04:00:29 | noda | afaik phpbb tries to pull the same shit as phpnuke: Attempts to have you keep copyright notices on the output of every page. |
| 04:00:42 | noda | In case you're thinking of setting it up: It's perfectly legal to remove them. |
| 04:01:24 | warmi | I remember reading about phpnuke being extremely buggy ... |
| 04:01:29 | warmi | tons of exploits etc |
| 04:02:07 | noda | Yeah, it's incredibly horrible code. |
| 04:02:17 | erikd | noda: ah, ok |
| 04:02:20 | noda | As in, "Whoa, somebody actually coded something that bad?" |
| 04:02:28 | erikd | is writing a semi-phpnuke replacement |
| 04:02:33 | Ghent19 | noda: must be a MS employee |
| 04:02:33 | erikd | edAdmin!@#$ |
| 04:02:46 | warmi | eirkd: you like php ? |
| 04:03:09 | erikd | i love php |
| 04:03:13 | noda | Ghent19: I think it's some 15-year-old or something. |
| 04:03:15 | erikd | that's my job :) |
| 04:03:21 | erikd | i do php/mysql backends |
| 04:03:26 | noda | erikd: Cool, show us your work :) |
| 04:03:27 | tux_mike | really hates ubb |
| 04:03:30 | erikd | uhmm |
| 04:03:41 | erikd | www.wree.com |
| 04:03:53 | erikd | www.erikd.org |
| 04:03:56 | erikd | stuff all over that one |
| 04:04:19 | erikd | beta.ednews.erikd.org/admin |
| 04:04:26 | erikd | that's the edadmin i'm working on |
| 04:04:26 | noda | erikd: wree.com accepts empty input in the "members" search fields - just so you know :) |
| 04:04:33 | erikd | yeah, i know |
| 04:04:49 | noda | Nice :) |
| 04:04:53 | erikd | they didn't pay for it yet so i don't care much :) |
| 04:04:59 | noda | lol |
| 04:05:15 | erikd | the lady wanted it done by a specific date then left on vacation for 2 weeks without paying |
| 04:05:27 | noda | .... bitch :P |
| 04:05:31 | erikd | yeah =/ |
| 04:05:40 | erikd | my boss still paid me, though :) |
| 04:05:41 | noda | Gotta get contracts. You have your own company, I assume? :) |
| 04:05:46 | erikd | no |
| 04:05:47 | noda | Ah, boss. n/m :) |
| 04:05:50 | erikd | i work for wis.net |
| 04:05:50 | warmi | erikd : I must be out of it by now for I cannot recognize a single band listed as your favorite |
| 04:05:51 | warmi | heeh |
| 04:06:06 | erikd | (and yeah, the site sucks. we're working on a new one) |
| 04:06:09 | erikd | warmi: hehe |
| 04:06:45 | erikd | pennywise - alien <-- you -have- to listen to that one |
| 04:07:26 | erikd | ah, the computers section on my site was made when i played around with php's xml parsing stuff |
| 04:07:38 | noda | hasn't played with that yet. |
| 04:08:03 | erikd | want the source? |
| 04:08:10 | noda | No thanks :) |
| 04:08:12 | erikd | k |
| 04:08:49 | warmi | erikd : http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpsoaptoolkit |
| 04:08:52 | warmi | php soap |
| 04:09:04 | warmi | this stuff is developed by one of my coworkers |
| 04:09:17 | tux_mike | what's the concept behind SOAP? |
| 04:09:27 | warmi | ironically, Tribune refuses to embrace PHP for anything importand :-) |
| 04:09:38 | warmi | tux_mike basically RMI over HTTP |
| 04:09:41 | tux_mike | RMI? |
| 04:09:50 | tux_mike | remote management? |
| 04:09:51 | warmi | remote method invocation over HTTP |
| 04:09:55 | tux_mike | ah |
| 04:10:00 | warmi | like DCOM or CORBA over HTTP |
| 04:10:13 | erikd | http://images.erikd.org/ss/phpmoduleph34r.jpg <-- php module i made ;) |
| 04:10:22 | tux_mike | sounds like a huge security hole :) |
| 04:10:38 | erikd | soap sounds really cool from what i've heard |
| 04:10:44 | warmi | h3 ownz |
| 04:10:45 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:10:49 | erikd | =) |
| 04:10:53 | warmi | well, yeah, it does work |
| 04:10:56 | noda | mmmm, DOOM... |
| 04:11:01 | noda | kills zombies... |
| 04:11:10 | warmi | we use it here at Trib for syndicating data to Phillips for their iPronto device |
| 04:11:14 | warmi | Java + Soap |
| 04:11:20 | warmi | + Orion Java App server |
| 04:12:00 | warmi | tux_mike everything is a potential security hole :-) |
| 04:12:09 | tux_mike | not if you do things right |
| 04:12:13 | noda | is a security hole. |
| 04:12:27 | warmi | erikd : what KDE theme you are using ? |
| 04:12:38 | warmi | tux_mike : yeah, I know .. but who has time for that :-) |
| 04:12:49 | erikd | that one was the liquid theme |
| 04:12:50 | warmi | projects need to be done, deadlines need to be met |
| 04:12:56 | warmi | forget security :-) |
| 04:12:59 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 04:13:39 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:13:41 | erikd | http://images.erikd.org/desktop/linux/7.png <-- that one's closest to what i have now |
| 04:13:43 | warmi | erikd : so how do you like C++/Qt ? |
| 04:13:43 | tux_mike | i should throw my new nic in my desktop and see if that works |
| 04:13:47 | warmi | better than PHP ? |
| 04:13:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:13:55 | erikd | i really like that window decoration |
| 04:13:59 | erikd | warmi: mmhmm :) |
| 04:14:14 | warmi | heeh |
| 04:14:22 | erikd | 'course i've been doing php longer than c++ so i know that better |
| 04:14:24 | tux_mike | erikd: a megatokyo fan i see |
| 04:14:28 | erikd | yes! |
| 04:14:31 | erikd | i -love- MT |
| 04:14:36 | tux_mike | hehe |
| 04:14:41 | noda | likes .NET-style KDE decorations. |
| 04:14:46 | warmi | I like window decorations that have _ 'square' and X |
| 04:14:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:14:48 | erikd | piro is my hiro |
| 04:14:52 | erikd | :) |
| 04:15:38 | erikd | fixed the fp exception |
| 04:15:38 | tux_mike | i'm actually a friend of fred's, more or less :) |
| 04:15:44 | erikd | ooh |
| 04:15:45 | erikd | really? |
| 04:15:55 | erikd | i sent him an email once but he never replied |
| 04:16:05 | tux_mike | he gets so many |
| 04:16:10 | NeoTron | is away: afk |
| 04:16:18 | erikd | it was just after one of his rants about people emailing him bitching about late comics |
| 04:16:20 | erikd | yeah |
| 04:16:26 | tux_mike | and if you read his rants, you'd know he's not good at that. |
| 04:16:42 | erikd | i told 'em that despite those people he still has a ton of people that really appreciate his work :) |
| 04:17:11 | erikd | i wish i could get a high quality colored pirogoeth wallpaper |
| 04:17:15 | tux_mike | yah, and he gets a lot of those, and they are good to see, but many don't warrant a personal response, mostly due to volume |
| 04:17:17 | erikd | she's my favorite char |
| 04:17:54 | erikd | and those ones where it's like largo and pirogoeth in the quake getup |
| 04:17:58 | erikd | those're cool, too |
| 04:18:03 | erikd | and seraphim! |
| 04:18:20 | erikd | the dom days are kinda... eh |
| 04:18:29 | erikd | i like today's, though |
| 04:19:10 | tux_mike | there is big reason behind the dom takeover, but i'm not at liberty to say |
| 04:19:17 | erikd | oh, and in that email i asked if i could buy one of his sketches for a dead piro day. one of 'em i really liked |
| 04:19:28 | erikd | doesn't care about it |
| 04:19:31 | tux_mike | dom will take me out if i do say :) |
| 04:19:34 | erikd | as long as piro comes back :) |
| 04:19:36 | erikd | heh |
| 04:19:55 | tux_mike | yah |
| 04:19:59 | tux_mike | he will |
| 04:20:10 | tux_mike | i don't think he has much of a choice |
| 04:21:26 | tux_mike | and the book should get done soon too, looks like it'll be done on time :) |
| 04:21:37 | erikd | i'm gonna be getting that one, too |
| 04:21:51 | erikd | (when i can actually afford stuff again...) |
| 04:24:52 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 04:25:19 | tux_mike | i wonder if i can actually do without a stack for interrupts on this 8051 program i'm writing :) |
| 04:25:46 | tux_mike | wait, no. crap, that damned accumulator. it's got to throw everything off :) |
| 04:28:12 | erikd | someone want to finish this graph for me? |
| 04:28:20 | erikd | i'm getting sick of it not wanting to work =/ |
| 04:28:39 | Ghent19 | anyone know why a lot of ipkgs fail to install on a sd card? |
| 04:28:57 | ljp | is it ext2? |
| 04:29:12 | Ghent19 | i just installed terminal and filemanagar on it, no prob.. then tried kismet and dig, both failed |
| 04:29:28 | Ghent19 | ljp: i doubt it.. whatever it was formatted with from factory |
| 04:29:33 | erikd | some stuff requires that it be installed to ram |
| 04:29:59 | ljp | some ipkgs have symlinks in them, and will fail on non ext2 filesystems |
| 04:30:04 | Ghent19 | hmm |
| 04:30:05 | warmi | Ghent19 : some apps contain so libs and need to be able to create soft links etc .. |
| 04:30:07 | Ghent19 | k |
| 04:30:16 | erikd | hmm |
| 04:30:19 | erikd | didn't know that |
| 04:30:23 | erikd | keeps that in mind |
| 04:35:28 | Ghent19 | anyone in here ever install OZ from a PNY 128 meg CF? |
| 04:35:34 | Ghent19 | it refuses to work for me |
| 04:35:58 | erikd | ghent: did you make sure it's formatted fat16? |
| 04:36:01 | Ghent19 | yeah |
| 04:36:18 | Ghent19 | mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/sda1 and formatted in win as well to see if that made a diff |
| 04:36:30 | erikd | hmm |
| 04:36:38 | erikd | well, that was my problem :) |
| 04:36:44 | erikd | but i don't have a pny =/ |
| 04:36:55 | Ghent19 | it appers to be working, but the Leds never go out.... just sits there forever |
| 04:38:58 | Ghent19 | anyone used the Crow Rom b4? |
| 04:48:45 | erikd | !@#($&!@(#&$!(@&$# |
| 04:48:53 | erikd | i think i got the graph working! |
| 04:48:56 | erikd | !@#$(&!@#$(!&@$#(&!@#$ |
| 04:48:58 | erikd | !@(#$&* |
| 04:50:14 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 20 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: Ghent19 : some apps contain so libs and need to be able to create soft links etc .. [Mon Oct 28 21:30:05 2002] |
| 04:50:14 | jbardin | ibot seen warmi |
| 04:50:22 | jbardin | wamri you still around? |
| 04:50:37 | | numatrix was last seen on #openzaurus 8 hours, 52 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: paq: link? No, I'm just saying in general that they use different rendering engines and operas might work better. Also, konq's scaling function often isn't as convienant as the opera zoom. [Mon Oct 28 12:57:58 2002] |
| 04:50:37 | jbardin | ibot seen numatrix |
| 04:51:15 | erikd | http://zaurus.erikd.org/pics/statgrapher/graphWorking.png !!! |
| 04:51:46 | darienm | sighs relief - we're now 1/2 way to completing the program with only 1 day left before deadline... |
| 04:51:52 | erikd | pfft |
| 04:51:56 | erikd | > 1/2 way |
| 04:52:02 | darienm | no testing? |
| 04:52:13 | erikd | i've been testing it as i go |
| 04:52:29 | darienm | import/export? |
| 04:52:31 | darienm | xml? |
| 04:52:34 | erikd | that's next |
| 04:52:55 | darienm | can you figure why the dialogs don't go full-screen? I think every one of them should.. |
| 04:53:07 | erikd | i can make 'em |
| 04:53:09 | Ghent19 | hehe, generating a DSA key in openssh on this is almost as painful as on my sparc IPC ;) |
| 04:53:28 | darienm | and I'd like to see a graph populated with about 200 entries (+ and -) |
| 04:53:47 | erikd | geh |
| 04:53:52 | erikd | that's a lot of adding |
| 04:53:55 | erikd | makes not to do that |
| 04:53:58 | erikd | note* |
| 04:56:47 | jbardin | man i just saw the most amzing blind date episode ever |
| 05:00:13 | Ghent19 | hey, does the sharp rom have a default pass for root? almost done installing ssh. |
| 05:00:27 | wParam | i believe it's blank |
| 05:00:29 | Ghent19 | k |
| 05:00:40 | erikd | yeah, it is |
| 05:00:45 | wParam | ssh demands that you change it, or so i've heard |
| 05:00:50 | Ghent19 | so i better set one ;) |
| 05:01:33 | Ghent19 | having a linux box as powerful as my mp3/file server this small is sooo nice. ;) |
| 05:07:23 | omoore | kergoth: the script working out ok for you? |
| 05:14:30 | jbardin | anyone have any thoughts on howto build a domokun costume? |
| 05:14:50 | wParam | haha no, but that's an awesome halloween idea |
| 05:15:05 | jbardin | yea.. i know i am gonna need some sort of strong cardboard box |
| 05:15:08 | jbardin | some stuffing |
| 05:15:20 | wParam | a brown shirt and pants |
| 05:15:21 | jbardin | some fuzzy brown material |
| 05:20:19 | erikd | jbardin: http://pubweb.northwestern.edu/~sts839/domo/domohuge.jpg |
| 05:20:23 | erikd | just get one of those :) |
| 05:22:28 | wParam | hey, do the opie-sh scripts have icons in the taskbar under openzaurus? |
| 05:23:23 | wParam | or is that just in the sharp rom? |
| 05:33:47 | br33zy | where can i donwload that one "developers! developers! developers!" domocon video? |
| 05:34:12 | br33zy | domokun! |
| 05:34:15 | br33zy | errr |
| 05:34:17 | br33zy | domokun* |
| 05:38:39 | hardwire | ? |
| 05:39:59 | br33zy | theres like this one mpeg |
| 05:40:12 | br33zy | of domokun shouting out "develpoers! developers! developers!' |
| 06:09:58 | kergoth | hey codemnky |
| 06:10:13 | codemnky | yo |
| 06:10:26 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 06:10:45 | codemnky | i'm living in pasadena, ca working in los angeles, ca |
| 06:10:47 | codemnky | whoohoo |
| 06:10:50 | kergoth | fun |
| 06:10:50 | codemnky | things are ok |
| 06:11:11 | codemnky | bye bye flrida |
| 06:11:14 | codemnky | florida |
| 06:11:21 | codemnky | how are things w/u |
| 06:11:37 | codemnky | you won't believe what i've done |
| 06:11:44 | kergoth | work sucks horribly, worse every week |
| 06:11:47 | kergoth | its like office space |
| 06:11:51 | codemnky | heh |
| 06:12:02 | kergoth | "every day is the worst day of my life" "what about today? is today the worst day of your life?" "yeah." |
| 06:12:08 | codemnky | i uninstalled my linux desktop, fullblown XP |
| 06:12:26 | codemnky | very sad |
| 06:12:58 | br33zy | moo |
| 06:13:15 | codemnky | yep, i'm follwing the heard |
| 06:13:19 | codemnky | danit |
| 06:13:22 | codemnky | damnit |
| 06:13:35 | codemnky | not cause i want to |
| 06:16:33 | br33zy | moo |
| 06:17:58 | kergoth | hey br33zy |
| 06:17:59 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 06:18:01 | br33zy | is it possible for my sandisk sddr-31 (cf reader and writer) for me to put my wireless cf card in and use it as my internet connection? |
| 06:18:02 | br33zy | good |
| 06:18:07 | br33zy | i ordered my wcf12 yesterday |
| 06:18:28 | br33zy | but then again |
| 06:18:37 | br33zy | sddr-31 appears as /dev/sda1 i think it was |
| 06:18:55 | br33zy | could i route my inernet connection through /dev/sda1? |
| 06:19:01 | kergoth | doubtful |
| 06:19:05 | br33zy | heh |
| 06:19:08 | kergoth | sd device is Scsi Dsci |
| 06:19:09 | kergoth | Disc |
| 06:19:12 | br33zy | yup |
| 06:19:22 | br33zy | it appears as a storage device whenever i plug it in too |
| 06:19:31 | br33zy | just an idea |
| 06:19:33 | br33zy | :) |
| 06:19:37 | br33zy | bt |
| 06:19:39 | br33zy | btw* |
| 06:19:47 | br33zy | well |
| 06:19:48 | br33zy | nm |
| 06:19:59 | br33zy | wow |
| 06:20:00 | br33zy | 14400 |
| 06:20:14 | br33zy | 240 minutes |
| 06:20:17 | kergoth | itd be cool if you could. i'm sure the cf->pcmcia adapters would work for that, i just dont know if the usb ones can |
| 06:20:25 | br33zy | 4 hours |
| 06:20:30 | br33zy | ya |
| 06:20:34 | br33zy | but see |
| 06:20:43 | br33zy | the sddr-31 is specifically for reading and writing |
| 06:20:48 | br33zy | i might have to write a driver |
| 06:21:01 | br33zy | that way it could talk to it differently and possibly work |
| 06:21:07 | br33zy | that would be cool but wierd |
| 06:21:08 | br33zy | i mean |
| 06:21:10 | kergoth | may take more than a driver. i know a fair but about usb, it depends on how the usb reader appears on the bus |
| 06:21:19 | kergoth | when you get it, get me the output of lsusb -v -v |
| 06:21:20 | br33zy | ya |
| 06:21:27 | br33zy | ok |
| 06:21:52 | br33zy | i dont have a lsusb |
| 06:21:55 | br33zy | i dont think |
| 06:22:02 | br33zy | cant find it in /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 06:22:29 | kergoth | its in a usbutils package or something simliar |
| 06:22:33 | br33zy | ok |
| 06:22:36 | kergoth | usbprogs or usb-utils or somthing like that |
| 06:22:42 | br33zy | /dev/null is so interesting.. |
| 06:22:47 | br33zy | is there a purpose for it? |
| 06:22:53 | br33zy | or is it just somewhere to put crap |
| 06:22:58 | br33zy | and make it disappear |
| 06:22:59 | br33zy | heh |
| 06:23:24 | br33zy | oh shit |
| 06:23:26 | br33zy | brb |
| 06:23:28 | br33zy | gotta take a shower |
| 06:26:54 | jbardin | >> apends a file right? |
| 06:30:22 | oGMo | jbardin: correct |
| 06:39:09 | br33zy | gtg guys |
| 06:39:10 | br33zy | later |
| 06:39:11 | br33zy | moo! |
| 07:50:21 | Piete | Weee! I finally got kismet working :) |
| 07:55:30 | Piete | yo MSpin |
| 07:55:32 | Piete | yo ZaurusMan |
| 07:58:15 | MSpin | heya Piete |
| 08:59:01 | Twiun | mornin' |
| 08:59:06 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 08:59:13 | Twiun | wow, still up kerg? |
| 08:59:35 | badl | Twiun: kergoth is rushing to finish OZ 3 for me ;) |
| 08:59:50 | Twiun | Ahhh... cool - I'll be able to run it too ;-) |
| 09:00:05 | Twiun | Jason wants that JVM working on OZ |
| 09:04:05 | Twiun | so far, I'm getting memory issues... but that's because I had the 5000d |
| 09:11:01 | ||ugh | Humm, is there any Reason that the Jeode binary can't run on OZ3 for Jason's needs? |
| 09:11:33 | Twiun | not sure... going to go OZ myself today |
| 09:11:44 | Twiun | I'm investigating other JVMs for it |
| 09:11:52 | Twiun | Jeode/Kaffe/Wonka |
| 09:12:02 | Twiun | Wonka looks the best bet at the moment |
| 09:19:21 | kergoth | ||ugh: jeode runs, but we cant ship it with it |
| 09:23:39 | ||ugh | Yea kergoth, I understand that. So this is in the line of replacing the RZ load with the OZ load. Shees, for my self I don't care if there is a JVM, but corporates care I guess. |
| 09:24:15 | ||ugh | I know, with what Sharp would save with OZ they can BUY and LGPL or just PD Jeode or one of the others. Seriously. |
| 09:26:17 | Twiun | ||ugh: Jeode looks to be Insignia's only revenue stream - I doubt they'd go OSS |
| 09:26:36 | Twiun | ||ugh: hence why we're investigating others |
| 09:27:07 | Twiun | ||ugh: Insignia is also terrible when it comes to developer support |
| 09:27:24 | Twiun | ||ugh: we might as well break away *now* |
| 09:27:48 | Twiun | but I agree that a JVM is needed for corporates - the Java buzzword is still very strong |
| 09:37:12 | kolla | *yawn* |
| 09:37:46 | Twiun | hiya kolla |
| 09:37:53 | kolla | hi |
| 09:39:01 | kolla | the jvm is nice as long as there are java apps that are more functional than the "native" apps avaible |
| 09:39:16 | ||ugh | I am not so sure about the need for Java it's self, but the check box is something that 'everyone' is convinced of. Frankly I have zero JVM dependent programs on my Z. |
| 09:41:07 | Twiun | ||ugh: The need for Java, I feel, is more for vertical markets than for the consumer - I feel Jeode et al have lots of shortcomings and they express concepts on Java that are at least 5 years old |
| 09:41:34 | Twiun | if SavaJe were able to stick J2SE - performing very well and fast - then we should be able too as well |
| 09:41:45 | kolla | I dont care what it is as long as it doesnt freeze all the time, and I can use it with bluetooth for dialup |
| 09:41:50 | kolla | and play oggs |
| 09:41:57 | kolla | and irc |
| 09:42:47 | Twiun | kolla: my point is that as a normal consumer, you have little need for Java - and it should therefore only be an option |
| 09:43:05 | kolla | normal consumers dont buy zaurus |
| 09:43:15 | Twiun | you calling me weird? |
| 09:43:17 | Twiun | grins |
| 09:43:19 | kolla | :) |
| 09:43:25 | kergoth | kolla: Sharp was marketing this to the normal consumer |
| 09:43:34 | kergoth | kolla: they failed.. but that was their target market |
| 09:43:51 | kolla | kergoth: well, it would help if it was actually _avaible_ |
| 09:44:00 | kolla | I had to go to frigging london to get one :) |
| 09:44:01 | kergoth | as i said, they failed. |
| 09:44:31 | Twiun | Sharp has a very poor global strategy as far as the Zaurus goes |
| 09:44:41 | Twiun | I mean... every country is independent??? |
| 09:44:51 | Twiun | what kind of marketing is that? |
| 09:46:26 | Twiun | and for the corporate market... if a company is buying 20k units and customising the software - they won't want their employees installing their own stuff |
| 09:46:36 | Twiun | or tweaking it |
| 09:47:03 | kergoth | solving that is easy enough |
| 09:47:30 | Twiun | yep, I was only countering his play oggs/irc/etc points |
| 09:47:38 | Twiun | that's a consumer thing |
| 09:47:53 | kergoth | ah yes, indeed |
| 09:48:05 | ||ugh | Well I am out of this loop, I need to focus on FreeS/WAN and just now I am in passwd/PAM/hell and need to focus there. If I hear of anyone with a F&OSS Java I will send them to Jason. |
| 09:48:44 | Twiun | ||ugh: could you bounce it my way too? |
| 09:48:51 | kergoth | i'm glad i didnt bother putting PAM in oz |
| 09:54:20 | ||ugh | PAM is a nightmare, the perfect way to trojen security in a box. |
| 09:54:33 | ||ugh | Kergoth, are you in the USSA or the Free World? |
| 09:57:04 | ||ugh | See what I get for anking the dangerous questions...! |
| 09:57:38 | Twiun | hehe, I do believe he's in the US |
| 09:58:00 | ||ugh | Shit. Crypto (and freedom...) hell. |
| 09:58:33 | Twiun | As the UK soon will be, I'm sure |
| 09:58:52 | Twiun | thinks the UK is like a puppy with its nose up the US's arse |
| 09:59:19 | Twiun | but I could be biased :-) |
| 09:59:55 | ||ugh | Follwing order from the head dog in Washintoon. You know we once had a war to stop this sort of power crazed shit... Something about minutemen vs. redcoats and now we seem to be the redcoats... |
| 10:00:07 | Twiun | lol |
| 10:00:48 | ||ugh | You LOL, I am close to COL (Crying Out Loud!)! |
| 10:01:19 | Twiun | Not found any freeworld hosts? |
| 10:03:06 | ||ugh | No, I have no problem with hosts, FreeS/WAN is totaly free. The problem is I can't really push hard for OZ to have real crypto. SuSE, Connectiva and Mandrade are all set, but RH is screwed and OZ is in limbo. |
| 10:04:10 | Twiun | what's causing the RH and OZ holdups? |
| 10:05:17 | ||ugh | Cryto 'laws' in the US. We are being pills and pointing out that the crypto 'laws' in the US are, well worthy of the USSA. |
| 10:05:45 | Twiun | right, sorry for being a bit dense there |
| 10:06:03 | Twiun | don't RH have offices/subsidiaries outside the US? |
| 10:06:43 | ||ugh | Yea, but they gave up caring a while ago. Singned up with the USG to be 'allowed' to ship crypto, so long as they register with BigBro. |
| 10:07:14 | Twiun | what about OZ... what do you need to get that underway? |
| 10:07:58 | kolla | patients :) |
| 10:08:02 | kolla | -t |
| 10:09:19 | ||ugh | Crypto needs to be floded into ****EVERY**** level of the OS it's self. So we want FreeS/WAN and other crypto in the kernel, ipk needs crypto verification of packages, the apps (email!) need crypto etc. etc. etc. |
| 10:09:39 | ||ugh | Frankly nothing is secure until it's crypto top to bottom. |
| 10:10:43 | Twiun | makes sense... has kergoth given you a ETA for that kind of overhaul? |
| 10:10:55 | Twiun | s/a ETA/an ETA/ |
| 10:12:11 | ||ugh | I have not talked to him about this, I don't think we have ever met. The thing is OZ is a perfect platform for this as the Z is the perfect 'crypto token' for things like secure private money transfer. |
| 10:12:43 | Twiun | It's also the perfect way of securing firewall access |
| 10:12:53 | ||ugh | This needs to happen to all of Linux, or MS will advertise that it is secure and we will have had it. |
| 10:12:53 | Twiun | where are you based? |
| 10:14:18 | ||ugh | I am a USSA Citizen/Slave_Unit, California these days. Seems I got tainted in grade school where some fools taught me that my country was the Land of the Free from a very young age. |
| 10:14:40 | kolla | USSA? |
| 10:14:43 | Twiun | And you're not bitter. Wow ;-) |
| 10:14:49 | kolla | "ozzah" :) |
| 10:15:40 | kolla | OZ a perfect platform? heh.. |
| 10:15:46 | kolla | it's linux for crying out loud :) |
| 10:15:47 | Twiun | United States of Socialist America? |
| 10:16:20 | ||ugh | Oh, I am sadly bitter, but I get to work on it (FreeS/WAN and related work) which helps. USSA in an insult, think USSR... |
| 10:16:59 | ||ugh | The SS means just what it has allway ment... :r) |
| 10:17:21 | Twiun | lol... but surely you can't use the term soviets... |
| 10:17:26 | Twiun | that's why I said socialist |
| 10:18:37 | ||ugh | Why not? The USSA is VERY like the USSR was. We are QUITE socialist (warning, I am a libertarian). SS also has a good (sick) meaning from Germnay... |
| 10:19:11 | Twiun | Ahhh |
| 10:25:22 | ||ugh | Now, back to my full time charity/community work, FreeS/WAN (well trying to fix passwd/login/PAM). |
| 10:25:40 | Twiun | Yeah - and me back to my translating... |
| 10:31:45 | ||ugh | Translating? Doc, apps or work I presume. Have fun. |
| 10:32:38 | Twiun | lol - I'm translating someone's Java dev on the Z tutorial from french to english |
| 10:32:52 | Twiun | not exactly exciting.. |
| 12:30:07 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 12:30:54 | Twiun | hiya |
| 12:31:58 | Cloudchaser | i am sooo bummed. i tripped over the cable to my laptop and ripped the nic out and destroyed it ;( |
| 12:32:11 | Cloudchaser | it was the only one i could get working in it..stupid old pc |
| 12:32:22 | Cloudchaser | now i'm on even older windows one |
| 12:32:34 | Twiun | yikes |
| 12:32:39 | Cloudchaser | with wireless which wouldn't work on the slightly newer laptop |
| 12:33:08 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 12:33:52 | Twiun | ouch |
| 12:33:56 | Twiun | comforts Cloudchaser |
| 12:34:07 | Cloudchaser | i don't quite know what to do ;( |
| 12:34:08 | Twiun | nips off to get his lunch... |
| 12:34:17 | Cloudchaser | have a good lunch Twiun |
| 13:09:39 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin Piete |
| 13:09:42 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: thanks, it was very nice ;-) |
| 13:09:47 | Piete | morning Cloudchaser :) |
| 13:09:53 | Cloudchaser | ah wb Twiun |
| 13:10:16 | Twiun | bows |
| 13:10:24 | Cloudchaser | Piete: did you ever get that kismet version? |
| 13:10:35 | Cloudchaser | wb AndyQ|Work |
| 13:10:50 | Piete | Cloudchaser: well, I'm using 2.6.1 right now, and it works great! |
| 13:11:00 | Cloudchaser | how'd you get it to work? |
| 13:11:19 | Cloudchaser | is that the newest? |
| 13:12:07 | Piete | Cloudchaser: well, I have to confess, I decided to try the latest sharp rom 2.38, and it worked out of the box with the ZaurusZone feed kismet |
| 13:12:17 | Piete | Cloudchaser: I plan on installing OZ3 when it comes out tho |
| 13:12:28 | Cloudchaser | ah well i need the rom without the security "fix" |
| 13:13:09 | Piete | Cloudchaser: yea, thats a royal pain in the ass. I'm just glad I have a working card |
| 13:13:54 | Cloudchaser | i'll play with kisment more when i have some time |
| 13:16:30 | Piete | yea, me too, I have a busy schedule this week |
| 13:23:25 | Piete | Cloudchaser: has the prerelease been updated since yesteday? |
| 13:27:51 | Cloudchaser | Piete: oz? dunno.. i use sharp rom |
| 13:28:10 | Piete | Cloudchaser: ah, ok :) |
| 13:53:14 | djk-ow_ | Just picked an Ambicom wireless CF for a conference I am going to but would like to verify it is working and don' |
| 13:53:37 | djk-ow_ | don't have a wireless network of my own anybody know what to check? |
| 13:54:44 | Egad | Uh, plug it in and check iwconfig? |
| 13:57:31 | djk-ow_ | egad: thanks I'll check that out. |
| 14:03:08 | cloud | grrr. my icq won't work |
| 14:03:16 | cloud | is having very bad day |
| 14:03:30 | cloud | already broke one pc |
| 14:04:43 | Wintre | cloudchaser: If it makes you feel any better, my CF card works here at work still. |
| 14:04:54 | cloud | oh that is good ;) |
| 14:05:10 | cloud | i tripped over the cable to my laptop, ripped the card out and destroyed the card |
| 14:05:25 | cloud | and the cable |
| 14:05:25 | ljp | hmmm.. why did you do that? |
| 14:05:39 | cloud | oh i thought it might be fun ljp |
| 14:05:41 | Wintre | cloud: I saw earlier |
| 14:05:42 | Wintre | Sucks. |
| 14:06:15 | cloud | Wintre you think it might be your access point causing you trouble then? |
| 14:06:35 | Wintre | I'd guess so |
| 14:07:56 | cloud | can you take it back? |
| 14:08:01 | Wintre | I'd guess so |
| 14:08:07 | Wintre | But I'm not sure it's actually broken |
| 14:09:22 | Wintre | So I'll probably bring it here to work tomorrow and dink with it some more. |
| 14:10:03 | Twiun[nwn] | anyone else having AIM problems? |
| 14:10:14 | Cloudchaser | i am having icq trouble |
| 14:10:20 | Cloudchaser | same company |
| 14:10:34 | numatrix|away | Twiun[nwn]: yeah, I thought it was just me |
| 14:10:50 | Cloudchaser | nope apparently not |
| 14:11:02 | numatrix|away | I feel a bit better about it now. It's been dead for about 30min for me. |
| 14:11:10 | Twiun[nwn] | yeah |
| 14:11:11 | Cloudchaser | i just got connected to icq .. only 2 peopele online on my list |
| 14:11:15 | Cloudchaser | same here numatrix|away |
| 14:12:08 | ljp | maybe you no longer have many friends :) |
| 14:12:18 | Cloudchaser | why are you so mean to me ljp ;( |
| 14:12:20 | Cloudchaser | sniffs |
| 14:12:35 | ljp | cloudy.. you _know_ I'm kidding |
| 14:12:45 | Cloudchaser | :) yes i do |
| 14:13:03 | Wintre | is mean to Cloudchaser and means it |
| 14:13:12 | Cloudchaser | no you don't! |
| 14:13:20 | Cloudchaser | and no you aren't ;) |
| 14:13:50 | Wintre | points at old PC and mocks |
| 14:13:55 | Wintre | Mock! Mock! |
| 14:14:51 | Cloudchaser | cries |
| 14:15:25 | Wintre | laughs and laughs |
| 14:15:35 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 14:18:23 | benmeyer | morning |
| 14:18:48 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 14:31:47 | benmeyer | Anyone ever try putting lilo in the boot loader so we could boot off sd? |
| 14:32:21 | ljp | no, thats what you are getting paid for, right ;) |
| 14:32:52 | Wintre | benmeyer: That sounds very frightening. |
| 14:33:09 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 14:33:34 | benmeyer | well as long as the flash utils didn't get overwritten everything would be fine |
| 14:33:58 | Wintre | Don't you mean "something LILO-esque"? LILO's very tied to PC BIOSes, isn't it? |
| 14:35:29 | ShawnG | yo |
| 14:35:38 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 14:35:57 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: is ICQ down for you? Mines been down for some time and won't connect |
| 14:36:01 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 14:36:05 | Cloudchaser | mine just ccame up |
| 14:36:06 | Wintre | I'm able to get on AIM |
| 14:36:10 | Cloudchaser | and max did too |
| 14:36:49 | Cloudchaser | apparently aim did too |
| 14:37:52 | BigBoss | AIM and ICQ crashed? |
| 14:38:45 | Twiun[nwn] | AIM's back up |
| 14:39:10 | BigBoss | another reason why Jabber is better |
| 14:39:16 | BigBoss | just connect to another server |
| 14:40:02 | BigBoss | yep, seems to be back now |
| 14:40:42 | cloud | grrr |
| 14:42:12 | tboc | hi all |
| 14:42:28 | BigBoss | hi tboc |
| 14:42:36 | cloud | hello |
| 14:42:43 | cloud | wow bad net day or what! |
| 14:42:49 | tboc | ack |
| 14:43:03 | tboc | icq, irc ... |
| 14:43:14 | tboc | although icq is crap anyway :) |
| 14:43:56 | BigBoss | i use jabber and icq |
| 14:44:38 | tboc | BigBoss: i should convince all the ppl in my icq list to use jabber ... won't be easy ;) |
| 14:44:45 | cloud | i couldn't connect with jabber earlier |
| 14:44:52 | cloud | well i connected |
| 14:45:01 | cloud | but no icq transport |
| 14:45:17 | BigBoss | it all depends on what you use icq for |
| 14:45:35 | BigBoss | since I use jabber and icq in the same way (not to meet new people but to talk to a certain group) they serve the same function |
| 14:45:40 | cloud | i use it for...connecting to icq |
| 14:45:52 | cloud | well i have alot of contacts |
| 14:45:57 | tboc | btw. anyone already bought something from www.tragbare.de? yeah, i know that it's german and no, this isn't spam - i just wanted to know if they're reliable =) |
| 14:46:07 | cloud | not sure i could convince them all to use something else |
| 14:48:36 | tboc | cloud: i guess not ... they had to convince all the users on their icq list to do the same 8) |
| 14:49:01 | cloud | who? |
| 14:49:51 | Piete | cloud: 'they' |
| 14:50:01 | Piete | cloud: damn dude, can't you read? :P |
| 14:50:12 | cloud | umm |
| 14:50:17 | cloud | i'm not a "dude" |
| 14:50:22 | Piete | +ette |
| 14:50:23 | cloud | i'm a "dudette" |
| 14:50:33 | Piete | cloud: sorry, my bad |
| 14:51:32 | cloud | :) s'ok |
| 14:51:47 | benmeyer | What programming has .cfm files |
| 14:51:49 | benmeyer | for web |
| 14:52:00 | tboc | sounds evil ;) |
| 14:52:21 | benmeyer | well whoever did isn't doesn't know much about security |
| 14:52:22 | Wintre | ColdFusion I think |
| 14:52:28 | benmeyer | I was able to bypass it in about 10 minutes |
| 14:52:39 | Wintre | Security? On the web? |
| 14:52:46 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 14:52:58 | Wintre | snorts |
| 14:53:52 | Wintre | I'd laugh myself silly but it's too tragic |
| 14:53:55 | BigBoss | yea, it's cold fusion |
| 14:53:58 | benmeyer | They allow a wildcard search (*) in the database retrieving every single entry which from that you can easily ripp then parts of the usr you need and put it in the "demo" site to get the real sites without having to go through the front door |
| 14:55:30 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:56:28 | BigBoss | hey chouimat |
| 14:56:39 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 14:56:43 | kolla | benmeyer: uhm.. kergoth told me to nag you about finisheing the ppp module for the networksetup |
| 14:56:58 | benmeyer | whahahhaa |
| 14:57:01 | benmeyer | yah right |
| 14:57:12 | kolla | ya, I know.. funny.. huhuh |
| 14:57:13 | benmeyer | that would mean I would have to start it I guess |
| 14:57:18 | kolla | laughs along :) |
| 14:57:34 | benmeyer | next week |
| 14:57:51 | benmeyer | going to get profiles working this week and work on other sharp developer related items |
| 14:57:58 | kolla | kinda sucks I how cannot get OZ online through my mobile |
| 14:58:23 | benmeyer | why not? |
| 14:58:35 | kolla | the ir part doesnt work, neither does bluetooth |
| 14:58:48 | benmeyer | ah |
| 15:00:41 | chouimat | urk -2C outside |
| 15:00:49 | kolla | but currently I'm happy as long as I get xmms going |
| 15:03:56 | numatrix|away | benmeyer: yeah, cfm is cold fusion; about as secure as the programmer makes it, just like any web language... |
| 15:06:40 | chouimat | hi Snipah |
| 15:10:22 | Snipah | hi |
| 15:16:54 | Snipah | any germans on? |
| 15:18:02 | benmeyer | you mean console developers? |
| 15:18:24 | Snipah | im wondering how many germans actually use the zaurus developer website (German version) |
| 15:19:26 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 15:19:32 | Twiun[nwn] | hey kerg |
| 15:19:43 | cloud | 'mornin kergoth |
| 15:19:51 | Twiun[nwn] | hey Snipah |
| 15:20:36 | benmeyer | kergoth released 3.0 yet? |
| 15:20:45 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:20:47 | benmeyer | heard you wanted me to be bugged about getting the ppp module done |
| 15:20:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:20:59 | kergoth | kolla keeps pestering me about it for irda ;) |
| 15:21:02 | benmeyer | next week if I have time |
| 15:21:17 | benmeyer | kolla: use Sharps rom, make a script and copy it over... |
| 15:21:19 | benmeyer | :_D |
| 15:21:34 | kolla | :) |
| 15:21:46 | benmeyer | Can't add new features till I stabilize the last ones |
| 15:22:21 | kolla | atm I'm using that..uhm.. clo-something rom |
| 15:22:30 | kolla | sharp rom hacked to use SD card |
| 15:22:51 | kolla | pluss heaploads of apps presinstalled |
| 15:23:07 | benmeyer | sounds interesting, website? |
| 15:23:23 | chouimat | kolla: the crow rom? |
| 15:23:27 | kolla | crow yes |
| 15:24:28 | chouimat | benmeyer: http://www,schwag.org/~crow |
| 15:24:33 | chouimat | benmeyer: http://www.schwag.org/~crow |
| 15:26:14 | benmeyer | Anyone know what pppd.tbd is? |
| 15:26:19 | benmeyer | in /var/log/run |
| 15:26:26 | benmeyer | I mean /var/run/ |
| 15:28:28 | kolla | what's in it? |
| 15:28:28 | kergoth | benmeyer: networksetup is being happy |
| 15:28:38 | kergoth | benmeyer: oh, omooore emailed me his resolv.conf manipulation script |
| 15:28:42 | kergoth | benmeyer: i'll drop it your way |
| 15:28:57 | benmeyer | sweet |
| 15:29:01 | benmeyer | was wondering that |
| 15:29:06 | benmeyer | sense I didn't get it in my e-mail |
| 15:29:25 | kergoth | yeah, i think he didnt have your addy |
| 15:29:38 | kergoth | send to your sharpsec addy? |
| 15:30:19 | benmeyer | meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 15:30:21 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:30:40 | benmeyer | actually I think benjamin.meyer@sharpusa.com will work also now |
| 15:30:45 | benmeyer | too damm long though |
| 15:30:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:30:51 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 15:30:52 | kolla | smokes... |
| 15:32:12 | hardwire | coughs.. |
| 15:32:14 | kolla | just realised that he's been running his a1200 with linux/m68k for more than 5 years |
| 15:32:17 | benmeyer | user name generation is one of the IT 101 skills... |
| 15:32:41 | kolla | and havent updated the "news" section in 3 years :) |
| 15:32:49 | kergoth | benmeyer: sent. |
| 15:32:58 | chouimat | kolla: don't work on my a500 :( |
| 15:33:07 | kolla | hehe :) |
| 15:33:27 | kolla | there's µClinux for your A500 ;) |
| 15:36:04 | benmeyer | cool |
| 15:36:18 | benmeyer | yah I am surprised the interfaces doesn't have a dns entry |
| 15:36:40 | benmeyer | to add and remove dns entries when you connect and disconnect |
| 15:37:15 | kergoth | me too |
| 15:37:20 | kergoth | seems like itd be a common thing |
| 15:37:31 | kergoth | should push a patch upstream |
| 15:37:38 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:37:48 | kergoth | oh, tmm1 or noda put our oz 3.0 changelog up |
| 15:37:51 | kergoth | good good |
| 15:37:58 | chouimat | kergoth: DOC |
| 15:38:33 | kergoth | chouimat: RELEASE |
| 15:43:24 | ljp_work | does Sharp have a stock ticker symbol ;) |
| 15:47:42 | benmeyer | damm the #debian channel is brutal |
| 15:48:01 | ljp_work | hey ben.. is sharp publically traded? |
| 15:48:09 | benmeyer | no clue |
| 15:48:23 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 15:49:09 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:49:39 | ljp_work | ticker symbol? |
| 15:50:11 | benmeyer | attempting to find... |
| 15:50:58 | treke|home | doesnt look like it to me |
| 15:51:56 | benmeyer | adr? |
| 15:52:01 | benmeyer | http://biz.yahoo.com/p/s/shcay.ob.html |
| 15:52:37 | treke|home | or maybe it is :) |
| 15:53:24 | Wintre | benmeyer: Brutal how? |
| 15:53:37 | Wintre | Too much damn traffic from clueless newbies? |
| 15:54:05 | benmeyer | no |
| 15:54:42 | benmeyer | when I told them that I wanted to add dns to interfaces on a per interface case they told me to piss off, put on a diper and come back when I had grown up. |
| 15:54:48 | Wintre | Wow |
| 15:54:57 | Wintre | That sounds worse than Undernet #linux |
| 15:55:02 | Twiun[nwn] | lol |
| 15:55:16 | benmeyer | collectivly too. :-D Wasn't just one person |
| 15:55:18 | chouimat | benmeyer: which # |
| 15:55:30 | kergoth | benmeyer: lol |
| 15:55:32 | benmeyer | debian |
| 15:55:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: i suspect its due to the fact that dns servers arent per interface |
| 15:55:43 | kergoth | benmeyer: but still |
| 15:56:16 | benmeyer | yes, but they wouldn't even listen to me when I told them I don't use dhcp and I had to specify dns and I had two seperate wifi cards one for work and one for home |
| 15:56:22 | benmeyer | in that case it _is_ per interface |
| 15:56:39 | chouimat | benmeyer: ok. |
| 15:56:41 | benmeyer | and there is a "auto" feild in interfaces |
| 15:56:47 | kergoth | well, its more per profile/scheme than per interface |
| 15:56:47 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:56:48 | benmeyer | and that is system global |
| 15:57:07 | benmeyer | true, but either way I know think that interfaces are not a good idea |
| 15:57:18 | benmeyer | I like red hats way much better now |
| 15:57:26 | benmeyer | each interface has a file |
| 15:57:37 | benmeyer | no parsing etc |
| 15:58:09 | benmeyer | I thought the big good point for interfaces was that it was a all in 1 place to configure network |
| 15:58:13 | benmeyer | boy was I wrong |
| 15:58:36 | kergoth | heh. dns is the oddball because its not per interface |
| 15:58:45 | kergoth | interfaces is easy for the user, a pain for the developer |
| 15:58:51 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:58:57 | benmeyer | either way, added the script to the app |
| 15:59:02 | kergoth | cool |
| 15:59:20 | benmeyer | and fixed the code to use -r -a and the scripts name |
| 15:59:26 | ATS | May I ask a question about Z devellopment here? |
| 15:59:31 | kergoth | ATS: ask away |
| 15:59:44 | benmeyer | we are more freindly then #debian :-D |
| 15:59:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:59:54 | kergoth | thats not saying much though ;) |
| 15:59:57 | ATS | I am having trouble with the filling of polygons.... |
| 16:00:36 | ATS | The problem is: if I run my program in qvfb or use solid fills, all is well. If I choose another fill, the filling shows up elsewhere on the screen... |
| 16:00:40 | chouimat | thinks that setup a dns will be a good idea for his test network |
| 16:00:59 | ATS | The polygon itself is in the correct place though.. |
| 16:01:18 | ATS | any ideas? |
| 16:01:35 | ATS | I have made a small example to demonstrate the problem, if anyone is interested. |
| 16:02:18 | benmeyer | using qgl? |
| 16:02:39 | ATS | nope, just a painter on a QWidget. Nothing fancy. |
| 16:03:05 | benmeyer | cat some code that doesn't work in here |
| 16:03:14 | ATS | OK, hang on... |
| 16:03:45 | benmeyer | hehe a palm with a battery the size on the z |
| 16:03:52 | benmeyer | hehe will last _years_ |
| 16:04:22 | ATS | void mainwidget::paintEvent(QPaintEvent *){ //initialize pointarray QPointArray array(5); array.setPoint(0,10,10); array.setPoint(1,100,10); array.setPoint(2,100,100); array.setPoint(3,55,150); array.setPoint(4,10,100); //init painter QPainter ptr(this); //set a brush with a pattern ptr.setBrush(QBrush(QColor(255,0,0), QBrush::DiagCrossPattern)); //and draw the polygon ptr.drawPolygon(array, true); //This polygon is d |
| 16:04:31 | kolla | I got to find some place where they sell that powerpack |
| 16:04:33 | ATS | Errr... that looks like a mess... sorry... |
| 16:05:23 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 16:05:27 | benmeyer | I think that is correct |
| 16:05:36 | benmeyer | little hard to rea... |
| 16:05:51 | kolla | someone should make a "refresh" applet |
| 16:06:00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:06:03 | benmeyer | opie-sh |
| 16:06:05 | benmeyer | someone did |
| 16:06:13 | kolla | ? |
| 16:06:17 | kergoth | benmeyer: want to put changedns in $OPIEDIR/bin? |
| 16:06:18 | ATS | Sorry about that. It seems I can't type a newline... |
| 16:06:22 | kergoth | benmeyer: and add it to your control file? |
| 16:06:31 | benmeyer | in the .pro file? |
| 16:06:41 | kergoth | no, the control, so it ends up in the ipk |
| 16:06:44 | kergoth | Files: |
| 16:06:59 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 16:07:00 | kergoth | move it over to bin/ and add it to Files |
| 16:07:01 | benmeyer | no control file |
| 16:07:10 | kergoth | otherwise it wont end up in a dir in the PATH |
| 16:07:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:07:14 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:07:21 | kergoth | noncore/net/networksetup/opie-networksetup.control |
| 16:07:32 | benmeyer | ah, got it |
| 16:08:02 | kergoth | stabs opie's buildsystem randomly |
| 16:08:38 | kergoth | opie should have something like kde, a seperate 'common' cvs module |
| 16:08:44 | kergoth | for the buildsystem components |
| 16:08:55 | kergoth | then you could check out individual pieces of it without it exploding |
| 16:08:59 | ATS | For clarity, I have uploaded a small demo application displaying the problem I described on http://home.student.utwente.nl/a.t.somers/bugdemo.tar.bz2 |
| 16:10:13 | benmeyer | kergoth: as in literally "mv" the file? |
| 16:11:02 | kergoth | benmeyer: well, if you leave it where it is now, it'll end up in some weird place in the filesystem in the ipk |
| 16:11:07 | kergoth | benmeyer: cause of our wierd mkipks shit |
| 16:12:17 | kergoth | benmeyer: so it needs to be in bin/.. either mv it in the local FS, or cvs rm then readd it there |
| 16:12:43 | kergoth | does getprofile go in a place inthe path? |
| 16:13:04 | benmeyer | system path |
| 16:13:08 | benmeyer | interfaces calls it |
| 16:13:13 | benmeyer | I mean ifupdown |
| 16:13:32 | kergoth | so its in the control file? or.. |
| 16:13:32 | benmeyer | it determins profiles |
| 16:13:40 | benmeyer | right now nowhere |
| 16:13:43 | benmeyer | need to add it |
| 16:14:09 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:14:24 | kergoth | theres no easy way to put it in /usr/bin/ or something from the opie buildroot |
| 16:14:28 | kergoth | s/root/dir/ |
| 16:14:31 | kergoth | afaik |
| 16:14:33 | kergoth | vi mkipks |
| 16:16:40 | benmeyer | I like how on the palm the menubar is hiddne until you hit the menu button |
| 16:16:50 | benmeyer | that is probabably what sharp ment the button to do |
| 16:16:56 | benmeyer | but it didn't :-D |
| 16:17:35 | kolla | old amiga patent |
| 16:17:53 | benmeyer | ? |
| 16:17:53 | kolla | menubar button being right mousebutton |
| 16:18:17 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 16:18:55 | kolla | patent currently owned by Gateway |
| 16:19:04 | kolla | software patents suck |
| 16:19:07 | benmeyer | That is funny |
| 16:19:20 | benmeyer | palm actually does have a window manager of sorts |
| 16:19:21 | benmeyer | haha |
| 16:19:48 | benmeyer | like the beOS |
| 16:19:59 | benmeyer | only uses the top/left part of the screen |
| 16:20:02 | benmeyer | how neet |
| 16:20:05 | benmeyer | neat |
| 16:20:10 | kolla | mm |
| 16:24:38 | ATS | no ideas on the polygons? |
| 16:25:25 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 16:25:31 | benmeyer | looks good to me |
| 16:25:41 | benmeyer | only ever really done basic painting though |
| 16:26:17 | ATS | ok... no problem. I was hoping to find some experts here ;-) |
| 16:26:30 | ATS | I think it's a Qt bug |
| 16:27:31 | benmeyer | feels challenged |
| 16:27:42 | benmeyer | but yes I do know that there is a bit bug |
| 16:27:46 | Wintre | ATS: Which Qt version? |
| 16:27:50 | benmeyer | in the qt that zuaurus uses |
| 16:27:55 | benmeyer | check the mailinglists |
| 16:27:58 | ATS | 2.3.2, the standard one for the Z. |
| 16:28:00 | Wintre | Oh |
| 16:28:10 | ATS | I have found nothing on the subject. |
| 16:28:13 | Wintre | Send mail to qt-bugs@trolltech.com regarding it |
| 16:28:19 | benmeyer | mail b.. yah ^ |
| 16:28:20 | Wintre | Include the URL to your test case |
| 16:28:24 | ATS | Did it, but they take forever to respond. |
| 16:28:34 | Wintre | Yeah, well, so it goes some times ;) |
| 16:28:47 | Wintre | Particularly with Qt 2.3.x |
| 16:28:51 | ATS | Hmmm.... deadline for the devellopers contest is approching fast now... |
| 16:30:41 | benmeyer | if everyone used xml ui the pull down menubar would be really easy to impliment |
| 16:30:45 | benmeyer | too bad. |
| 16:32:07 | benmeyer | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=D76A6E2X7XDF83F1D28E71BB44DF9581&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=46008§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 16:32:08 | benmeyer | wee |
| 16:32:10 | benmeyer | Spades |
| 16:33:59 | ATS | ugly screenshot thoug... |
| 16:35:22 | benmeyer | Offtopic: <seen on /.>Unreal Tournament 2003 just kicked my 1.0 GHz machine in the nuts and then made fun of me. |
| 16:35:38 | benmeyer | hahaha |
| 16:35:47 | treke | sounds about right :) |
| 16:35:57 | treke | particularly if it was in Linux |
| 16:40:45 | chouimat | benmeyer: I can't play here :( |
| 16:41:20 | benmeyer | ? |
| 16:41:29 | chouimat | UT2003 |
| 16:51:15 | ivan | hello |
| 16:51:26 | ivan | what's the cheapest mass-storage unit for a zaurus? |
| 16:54:11 | chouimat | ivan: your pc via nfs or samba |
| 16:54:15 | benmeyer | offtopic, but anyone remember how to not boot into X? |
| 16:54:20 | benmeyer | i.e. change it to the console |
| 16:54:36 | ivan | chouimat: yeah, but can't use that when not near the computer |
| 16:54:56 | kolla | benmeyer: on a PC? runlevel 3? |
| 16:55:15 | kolla | that is.. edit /etc/inittab and set 3 as default init |
| 16:55:26 | chouimat | ivan: CF |
| 16:56:13 | ivan | that stands for? |
| 16:56:40 | kolla | compact flash |
| 16:56:44 | ivan | ok |
| 16:57:02 | ivan | what's the transfer speed on CF? |
| 16:57:13 | benmeyer | id:2:initdefault: |
| 16:57:18 | benmeyer | hmmm set to 2 already... |
| 16:57:36 | kolla | on the Z or what? |
| 16:57:50 | benmeyer | debian |
| 16:58:07 | ivan | i already have a 16MB compact flash card for my digital camera i bought 4 years ago |
| 16:58:16 | ivan | the thing always overheats and dies for about 10 mins |
| 16:58:22 | ivan | maybe it's just the camera |
| 16:59:58 | kolla | benmeyer: set it to 3 |
| 17:01:06 | ivan | holy shit you can fit 512 megs in that little 1"x1" thing? |
| 17:01:06 | ivan | wow |
| 17:01:12 | ivan | what CF brand should i buy? |
| 17:01:35 | Harlekin | Hi * |
| 17:02:17 | greenbus | hello |
| 17:02:29 | kolla | benmeyer: 2 and 3 shold be quite similar though |
| 17:04:47 | chouimat | ivan: sandisk have a 1GB CF card |
| 17:05:30 | ivan | gah |
| 17:05:46 | ivan | i think this 16MB card will do for now |
| 17:07:11 | benmeyer | kolla: they are the same... |
| 17:07:21 | benmeyer | bla I just removed xdm, kdm etc from 2 |
| 17:08:07 | kolla | benmeyer: 3 should be with nfs and stuff |
| 17:08:48 | kergoth | benmeyer: its pretty common for people to only start X in runlevel 5, thats how i do it. then i just switch to 3 if i dont wnat a gui |
| 17:10:05 | hardwire | blah |
| 17:10:31 | kergoth | hey hardwire, roge99 |
| 17:10:34 | hardwire | poke of doom |
| 17:10:37 | benmeyer | yah, that is what I was going to say too |
| 17:10:41 | kergoth | hardwire: you see openzaurus.org is up and nifty? |
| 17:10:42 | roge99 | hey kergoth hows things ? |
| 17:10:48 | benmeyer | was surpised to see kdm in init2 and init3 on debian |
| 17:11:00 | hardwire | tis nifty :) |
| 17:11:01 | kergoth | not too bad, tired as hell, got 4 hrs of sleep last night |
| 17:11:02 | kergoth | you? |
| 17:11:25 | roge99 | i'm doin ok |
| 17:12:14 | tux_mike | neeeed food |
| 17:12:21 | hardwire | doof! |
| 17:12:31 | hardwire | was gonna take the bus today |
| 17:12:34 | kergoth | food is good |
| 17:12:34 | hardwire | I stepped outside |
| 17:12:37 | hardwire | and watched the bus fly by |
| 17:12:40 | hardwire | :( |
| 17:12:40 | kolla | I'm heading downtown for some pizza RSN |
| 17:12:44 | kergoth | hardwire: i hate that |
| 17:12:49 | kergoth | I did my finances last night |
| 17:12:56 | kergoth | and determined that my expenses exceed my income |
| 17:12:57 | kergoth | FUN! |
| 17:13:04 | hardwire | hah |
| 17:13:06 | hardwire | naw |
| 17:13:08 | hardwire | everybody is like that |
| 17:13:09 | kergoth | well, not including the income from the roommate, thankfully |
| 17:13:10 | roge99 | lol |
| 17:13:22 | kolla | a friend of mine is on visit from London, so the entire gang will meet to munch pizza |
| 17:13:30 | hardwire | my expsenses will always overdo my income |
| 17:13:31 | kergoth | mmm pizza |
| 17:13:45 | hardwire | however my time is my investment in things.. so it all works out in the end |
| 17:14:10 | hardwire | should get BZFlag working on the PS2 |
| 17:14:39 | BZFlag | that would be fun |
| 17:14:48 | hardwire | yeah.. except I need a fakeglx library |
| 17:14:54 | hardwire | and I am not intune with all that |
| 17:15:00 | BZFlag | ah |
| 17:15:17 | hardwire | the PS2 has hardware accellerated mesa drivers ;) |
| 17:15:23 | hardwire | that only work on the pseudo framebuffer |
| 17:15:26 | hardwire | and not w/in X |
| 17:15:36 | scanline | hmm |
| 17:15:45 | benmeyer | hey tim, how goes it? |
| 17:15:56 | hardwire | so far I am hoping to get sdl to work with the ps2gl and emotion engine |
| 17:15:59 | hardwire | then mplayer will work |
| 17:16:08 | hardwire | and armagetron! |
| 17:16:21 | kolla | and uae :) |
| 17:16:22 | hardwire | once I know how to do that :) then I can happily do bzflag and all sorts of other things |
| 17:16:26 | hardwire | uae? |
| 17:16:32 | kolla | :) |
| 17:16:47 | hardwire | hah |
| 17:16:51 | hardwire | try snes emulation :) |
| 17:17:06 | kolla | =Þ |
| 17:17:09 | kolla | :) |
| 17:17:14 | numatrix|away | hardwire: is the picogui in the openzaurus buildroot workable? |
| 17:17:16 | hardwire | big pouty lips |
| 17:17:23 | hardwire | numatrix|away no idea dude :) |
| 17:17:25 | numatrix|away | Nevermind, scanline's doing that, isn't it. |
| 17:17:28 | kergoth | numatrix|away: ask scanline |
| 17:17:29 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:17:30 | scanline | numatrix|away: it should compile fine, but the launcher is still broke |
| 17:17:32 | numatrix|away | isn't he. Yeah, sorry. |
| 17:17:43 | numatrix|away | Smoking crack (ok, well, no, just percocet) today... |
| 17:18:21 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:18:22 | hardwire | actually |
| 17:18:30 | hardwire | scanline how do you get picogui to run SDL apps? |
| 17:18:38 | scanline | hardwire: why with SDL of course |
| 17:18:41 | scanline | :) |
| 17:18:42 | hardwire | bastard |
| 17:18:47 | hardwire | so you added picogui support to SDL? |
| 17:18:49 | scanline | hardwire: yes |
| 17:18:51 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:18:52 | hardwire | dude |
| 17:19:04 | hardwire | I am putting picogui on my playstation 2 then |
| 17:19:24 | scanline | The basic functionality is in the released version of SDL now. There's a patch on the picogui sourceforge site that adds rotation and scrolling support |
| 17:19:39 | scanline | it doesn't support YUV overlays or OpenGL yet |
| 17:19:47 | hardwire | scanline: its something tho |
| 17:19:51 | scanline | yep :) |
| 17:19:56 | hardwire | ps2gs driver in SDL is way wonky |
| 17:20:02 | hardwire | I could get picogui to map into it |
| 17:20:03 | numatrix|away | scanline: You can still run things with a shell though, right? |
| 17:20:07 | scanline | numatrix|away: yep |
| 17:20:12 | hardwire | then use the basicl sdl junk that picogui has to do what I want |
| 17:20:29 | numatrix|away | scanline: what ipks are generated by the buildroot for pgui? |
| 17:20:52 | scanline | numatrix|away: all the ones beginning with pg- |
| 17:20:54 | hardwire | the picogui ones |
| 17:20:55 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:20:57 | scanline | PicoBot: oz picogui? |
| 17:20:57 | PicoBot | i think oz picogui is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/experimental/picogui/ - install them, kill opie, and run "pgserver" or see "picogui faq" or really experimental still (see "picogui bugs") |
| 17:21:42 | scanline | that also has some dependencies (libpng, libjpeg, and freetype) and some apps using SDL (gnuboy, scummvm) |
| 17:21:51 | hardwire | munches on a lay |
| 17:22:32 | hardwire | 30 more minutes! |
| 17:22:36 | hardwire | and the bus will come again! |
| 17:22:46 | scanline | hardwire: did you see the latest picogui screenshot? :) |
| 17:22:49 | ljp_work | hehe you missed the bus? |
| 17:22:57 | hardwire | yes ljp |
| 17:23:00 | hardwire | I missed the bus |
| 17:23:17 | hardwire | that looks sexthy |
| 17:23:53 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:23:54 | kergoth | that was fun |
| 17:23:59 | kergoth | i flashed my Z with current oz |
| 17:23:59 | hardwire | ? |
| 17:24:03 | kergoth | and it doesntturn on |
| 17:24:07 | scanline | hardwire: also, if merlin262 ever manages to find time we should have a way to run picogui apps rootless in X soon |
| 17:24:08 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 17:24:08 | hardwire | I love that! |
| 17:24:23 | hardwire | scanline :) |
| 17:24:34 | hardwire | X rootless in picogui? |
| 17:24:43 | scanline | no, other way around |
| 17:24:51 | hardwire | what would the other way around achieve? |
| 17:24:54 | scanline | so that picogui acts more like an X widget toolkit than a complete GUI |
| 17:25:05 | hardwire | ooh |
| 17:25:06 | hardwire | nevermind |
| 17:25:08 | scanline | that way there would be a useful way to run picogui apps on the desktop |
| 17:25:09 | hardwire | gotcha :) |
| 17:25:10 | kolla | what latest picogui shot? |
| 17:25:15 | hardwire | http://www.picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=92 |
| 17:25:42 | hardwire | wow |
| 17:25:47 | hardwire | I haven't been to deaddreamer ina while |
| 17:25:55 | scanline | might even use imlib2 for that, since it's good at doing blending and gradients |
| 17:26:10 | kergoth | thats perdy |
| 17:26:18 | scanline | hardwire: yeah, I hadn't been there for a while either, went there yesterday and saw all the new stuff =) |
| 17:26:23 | kergoth | imlib2, isnt that was evas used before he switched to evas2? |
| 17:26:49 | hardwire | scanline: there are a few other places that are amazing |
| 17:26:55 | hardwire | I will send you links when I remember them |
| 17:26:56 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:26:57 | scanline | kergoth: dunno what evas/evas2 uses... imlib2 is a rendering, font, and image loading library that's used in E17 |
| 17:27:06 | scanline | hardwire: spiffy |
| 17:27:23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:27:29 | hardwire | I am gonna ride the bus |
| 17:27:30 | hardwire | la la la |
| 17:27:37 | hardwire | the wheels on the bus go mush mush mush |
| 17:27:38 | tux_mike | the short bus |
| 17:27:41 | hardwire | mush mush mush |
| 17:27:41 | hardwire | mush mush mush |
| 17:27:43 | scanline | imlib2 looks like it will map really well onto the feature set picogui needs... AFAIK the only thing it doesn't have is antialiased primitives, and we could probably use RENDER for that |
| 17:27:45 | hardwire | the wheels on the bus go mush mush mush |
| 17:27:56 | hardwire | its snowy |
| 17:28:15 | scanline | started snowing here last night |
| 17:28:26 | hardwire | ljp: got snow? |
| 17:28:45 | ljp_work | yup a little |
| 17:28:49 | hardwire | woot |
| 17:28:53 | hardwire | happy kitty? |
| 17:29:05 | ljp_work | not enough to do doughnuts in the parking lot though |
| 17:29:10 | numatrix|away | scanline: so when I run pgserver something should happen, right? |
| 17:29:11 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:29:22 | scanline | numatrix|away: yeah |
| 17:29:43 | numatrix|away | scanline: it's just sitting there.. ps shows /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 is running and that's it |
| 17:29:44 | ljp_work | hardwire: nope.. my cat got hit by a car, and either died at the hospital, or in the gas chamber |
| 17:29:53 | hardwire | ? |
| 17:30:01 | hardwire | when did you find this out? |
| 17:30:01 | scanline | numatrix|away: hrm.. this is with those zaurus ipks? |
| 17:30:06 | numatrix|away | scanline: yeah |
| 17:30:14 | scanline | numatrix|away: make sure your loopback interface is up |
| 17:30:28 | numatrix|away | yeah, lo is there |
| 17:30:38 | ljp_work | last Saturday.. two days after she disappeared, at the animal shelter.. they said she arrived, "what they deem, D.O.A." |
| 17:30:50 | hardwire | :( |
| 17:30:55 | hardwire | sorry ljp :( |
| 17:31:02 | ljp_work | ya.. me too |
| 17:31:10 | hardwire | you want a fat replacement? |
| 17:31:17 | ljp_work | I am kicking myself for not calling the animal hospitals |
| 17:31:34 | ljp_work | no fat cats.. thanks |
| 17:31:43 | hardwire | heh.. ok.. |
| 17:31:50 | hardwire | what about a really really talkative one |
| 17:32:21 | ljp_work | nope |
| 17:32:29 | ljp_work | I want my kitty back |
| 17:32:32 | hardwire | ljp_work: sorry about the kitty :( |
| 17:32:41 | hardwire | I know how you would feel.. |
| 17:32:58 | ljp_work | ya.. they also said she was picked up 8 blocks away... across main st.. |
| 17:33:06 | ljp_work | no WAY she crossed main St |
| 17:33:10 | hardwire | yeah.. |
| 17:33:13 | hardwire | weird |
| 17:33:19 | ljp_work | thats what threw me off.. again |
| 17:33:21 | hardwire | I barely wanna cross it |
| 17:33:27 | ljp_work | heh ya |
| 17:33:50 | scanline | hi Twiun |
| 17:34:05 | Twiun | hey scanline |
| 17:34:09 | Twiun | how goes it |
| 17:34:24 | scanline | not bad.. just doing some homework at the last minute :) |
| 17:34:47 | hardwire | welll |
| 17:34:48 | hardwire | bummer |
| 17:35:03 | hardwire | :( |
| 17:35:10 | scanline | hmm... and listening to my roommate's alarm go off every 10 minutes |
| 17:35:13 | hardwire | anyhoot.. Ima go to them all |
| 17:35:16 | hardwire | get myself a haircut |
| 17:35:18 | hardwire | buy some pants |
| 17:35:20 | hardwire | and find me a girl |
| 17:35:27 | kergoth | sounds like a plan |
| 17:35:27 | hardwire | the mall :) |
| 17:35:30 | Twiun | lol... not wearing any atm? |
| 17:35:33 | scanline | hehe |
| 17:35:35 | hardwire | Twiun: barely! |
| 17:35:54 | hardwire | too many holes |
| 17:35:55 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:35:55 | kergoth | hardwire: make sure you buy the pants *before* you get the girl |
| 17:35:59 | Twiun | ok... that first, then the haircut (a must!) then the gf |
| 17:36:02 | hardwire | kergoth: gotcha |
| 17:36:11 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:36:17 | Twiun | once you've got her... you can let things slide |
| 17:36:18 | hardwire | but I have to make sure my pants match my hair! |
| 17:36:28 | _OzzY_ | does any one here use the Z with the T68 phone? |
| 17:37:37 | kergoth | out of context seen messages are fun |
| 17:37:38 | kergoth | 11:35 < ibot> kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 29 seconds ago, saying: |
| 17:37:38 | kergoth | hardwire: make sure you buy the pants *before* you get the girl |
| 17:37:38 | kergoth | [Tue Oct 29 10:35:55 2002] |
| 17:37:39 | VERItas | anyone know where i can get libdb.so.2? |
| 17:37:42 | kergoth | pfft |
| 17:37:58 | hardwire | I had to compile it |
| 17:37:58 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:37:59 | hardwire | oh well |
| 17:38:06 | hardwire | runs away now |
| 17:50:50 | benmeyer | sweet |
| 17:50:54 | benmeyer | got kdm to do remote logins |
| 18:01:37 | tux_mike | xdmcp? |
| 18:02:14 | benmeyer | yah |
| 18:02:34 | tux_mike | been there, done that, got the t-shirt :) |
| 18:02:56 | benmeyer | only problme is the video card in the 1" rack is of such low quality that it take 15% of the cpu just to draw the screen |
| 18:13:49 | neale | I'm looking for one Ben Meyer. |
| 18:14:12 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 11 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: only problme is the video card in the 1" rack is of such low quality that it take 15% of the cpu just to draw the screen [Tue Oct 29 11:02:56 2002] |
| 18:14:12 | kergoth | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 18:14:23 | kergoth | he got lost in the netsplit |
| 18:14:28 | kergoth | he'll be back when it joins |
| 18:14:28 | neale | poor fellow. |
| 18:14:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:14:42 | neale | I've been there before. It's a cold, dark place. |
| 18:25:10 | neale | hey ben meyer |
| 18:25:54 | neale | kergoth suggested you may be interested in my handy-dandy drop-in zaurus masquerading ifup script for debian. |
| 18:26:03 | neale | draws a deep breath |
| 18:26:24 | kergoth | neale: :) |
| 18:26:25 | kergoth | hey Sniper1 |
| 18:27:46 | Sniper | hi |
| 18:28:23 | Guest | hi im testing jabber on my zaurus |
| 18:30:03 | Sniper | hi guest |
| 18:30:11 | treke | Guest: which client? |
| 18:31:00 | Guest | tkjabber the kompany jabber its nice |
| 18:31:37 | treke | yeah. thats a nice little app |
| 18:34:03 | treke | is torn between tkcjabber and kinkattalight for aim access |
| 18:34:14 | Sniper | i use kinkatt |
| 18:36:50 | Guest | i havent tried kinkatt do you recommend it |
| 18:37:17 | treke | Guest: its AIM only, but so far it seems rather decent. |
| 18:37:37 | treke | its been easier for my tiny little mind to comprehend than tkcJabber :) |
| 18:42:00 | benmeyer | KinkattaLite rules |
| 18:42:00 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:42:20 | benmeyer | doh, he is already gone |
| 18:45:28 | benmeyer | man, I have been comparing the Z to palms apps |
| 18:45:42 | benmeyer | the z apps waste so much relestate |
| 18:45:55 | neale | I've noticed that too. |
| 18:46:18 | neale | Also, I liked how the palm address/todo apps you can just start writing and it automatically makes a new entry. |
| 18:46:29 | neale | But the Z is a lot prettier. |
| 18:46:46 | neale | So benmeyer. |
| 18:47:16 | neale | I have auto-masquerading scripts for a debian box |
| 18:47:24 | neale | kergoth said you'd be interested |
| 18:48:10 | benmeyer | as in I can be online via an 802.11, and connect to a another computer via serial and let the serial computer masq through me? |
| 18:48:32 | neale | no, for USB networking |
| 18:48:37 | treke | benmeyer: very true. I wonder how much a theme could help |
| 18:48:44 | neale | but, yes, same idea. |
| 18:49:03 | benmeyer | as in I can be online via an 802.11, and connect to a another computer via usb and let the serial computer masq through me? |
| 18:49:09 | benmeyer | as in I can be online via an 802.11, and connect to a another computer via usb and let the usb computer masq through me? |
| 18:49:14 | neale | ha |
| 18:49:29 | benmeyer | hmm, send it to meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 18:49:33 | benmeyer | can't do anything with it right now |
| 18:49:39 | benmeyer | but eventually a masq module will be made |
| 18:49:46 | neale | as in, your desktop can be online via whatever, and your Z in the cradle, and the Z can get out through the desktop. |
| 18:50:04 | neale | okie dokie |
| 18:50:45 | benmeyer | ah yes, me bonks head |
| 18:50:50 | benmeyer | yah that would be a good howto |
| 18:50:57 | benmeyer | was thinking network setup and not howtos |
| 18:54:55 | neale | sentaroonie. |
| 18:56:08 | aphistic | hey guys, you know of any application that'll let me set my application buttons to programs other than the ones on the application tab (as opposed to the sharp rom one that only lets you use the ones on the application tab) |
| 18:56:35 | kergoth | opie-appkeys? |
| 18:56:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56:51 | aphistic | kergoth: will that work on the sharp rom, though? |
| 18:57:25 | kergoth | erikd2: dunno. doubt it |
| 18:57:29 | erikd2 | =/ |
| 18:57:58 | erikd2 | i wish some of the apps i bought would work on oz/opie |
| 18:58:16 | treke | erikd2: what apps? |
| 18:58:26 | erikd2 | classmate in particular |
| 18:58:48 | erikd2 | i bought some tkc apps too, but i haven't tried those |
| 18:58:58 | kergoth | the tkc apps work fine |
| 18:59:01 | kergoth | never bought classmate |
| 18:59:04 | erikd2 | actually, i could probably live without classmate. |
| 18:59:10 | erikd2 | classmate is a -terrible- program |
| 18:59:12 | treke | all the tkc apps I've tried work fine on opie/familiar |
| 18:59:17 | erikd2 | hmm |
| 18:59:41 | erikd2 | i'll have to reinstall opie then |
| 18:59:50 | erikd2 | (oz) |
| 18:59:59 | treke | erikd2: please tell me it isnt really this hideos shade of green thats in the screenshots |
| 19:00:13 | erikd2 | treke: yeah, that's the default colors |
| 19:00:20 | erikd2 | you can change it, but it's pretty buggy |
| 19:00:27 | erikd2 | and the ui is crap |
| 19:00:46 | treke | yeah well I could guess that based on the color screen :) |
| 19:00:59 | erikd2 | you need to go through like 2 levels of stuff to get to the assignments section (which i would believe would be the main use of the program) |
| 19:01:01 | treke | good ui designers dont normally choose colors that but ugly |
| 19:01:28 | sjohnson | treke: Onlu if color blind :) |
| 19:01:29 | erikd2 | i was really happy with four.zero for the palm when i used it |
| 19:01:48 | treke | hehe |
| 19:02:25 | erikd2 | granted it does have some nice features. the fact you can keep multiple years of grades in it at a time, for example |
| 19:02:44 | treke | usually preferred to forget previous years grades |
| 19:03:01 | erikd2 | but the lack of coherent design makes it unusable |
| 19:03:03 | erikd2 | yeah, me too :) |
| 19:03:23 | erikd2 | but i need to keep track of 'em so i make sure i get grades good enough they don't kick me out based on the old grades ;) |
| 19:04:00 | treke | hehe |
| 19:04:05 | DigitalChris | XavierXeon! hi |
| 19:04:12 | XavierXeon | hello |
| 19:04:16 | kergoth | hey XavierXeon |
| 19:04:24 | XavierXeon | hello again |
| 19:04:39 | erikd2 | well, time for work. i'll bb in about 5 hours |
| 19:04:49 | erikd2 | or maybe from work if i get bored ;) |
| 19:18:15 | Pendalar | who has the best forums? |
| 19:18:29 | Pendalar | well most posts, I guess best is relative |
| 19:19:35 | XavierXeon | zauruszone ? |
| 19:20:18 | Twiun | yeah, ZZ |
| 19:20:25 | Twiun | best and most |
| 19:21:58 | Pendalar | I'm just trying to get opera to download ipk's not view, which I think I remember a forum post about it somewhere |
| 19:23:14 | XavierXeon | use wget instead. |
| 19:23:37 | Pendalar | yeah I could copy/paste the info |
| 19:23:45 | Pendalar | but might as well stay in Q |
| 19:24:12 | benmeyer | Bla, well I think I will make indovidual Linux distro networking howtos |
| 19:24:23 | benmeyer | sense the generic one is really anoying |
| 19:24:29 | kergoth | benmeyer: i was going to suggest that :) |
| 19:24:31 | XavierXeon | opera only downloads ipks if the mime type is set correctly in the html source |
| 19:24:44 | kergoth | s/html source/web server configuration/ |
| 19:24:47 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:24:59 | benmeyer | and have 1 generic one that really is generic |
| 19:25:00 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:25:03 | kergoth | blah, i need more caffeine |
| 19:25:13 | Pendalar | ya but I figured you could put in the mime types 'if no other mime type fits, download it' |
| 19:25:18 | benmeyer | I need 10cents so I can have more caffeine |
| 19:25:29 | Pendalar | so .ipk would be the same as .zzzsdagoi for all it matters |
| 19:27:10 | Pendalar | can't find it so it will work for now |
| 19:27:13 | Pendalar | tc guys |
| 19:32:59 | benmeyer | http://www.systemtoolbox.com/bard/3ddesktop/index.php |
| 19:33:27 | benmeyer | if we can do Inersteller flames we can do ^ |
| 19:34:43 | treke | yeah, that looks effecient :) |
| 19:35:04 | Twiun | lol - I remember trying that way back, it was REALLY slow then |
| 19:35:23 | benmeyer | odd, I wouldn't think it would be that slow |
| 19:35:28 | kergoth | gead |
| 19:35:30 | kergoth | egad |
| 19:35:35 | kergoth | that strikes me as such a waste of resources |
| 19:35:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:35:45 | benmeyer | yah, which makes it even cooler... |
| 19:36:14 | kergoth | i havent even started X in 2 weeks |
| 19:36:15 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:41:42 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/desktop/gideon.png <-- Z dev with kdevelop 3.0. will be very cool once it is more stable |
| 19:42:06 | treke | kergoth: poor guy |
| 19:42:17 | treke | 2 weeks of console, ick |
| 19:43:03 | chouimat | XavierXeon: idea? |
| 19:43:24 | XavierXeon | chouimat: what ? |
| 19:44:56 | kergoth | treke: vesa vga console in 1024x768 at least, its fun |
| 19:45:15 | chouimat | XavierXeon: idea-like gui |
| 19:45:22 | treke | kergoth: still sucks compared to X, imo |
| 19:45:41 | kergoth | treke: I get distracted by too much crap floating around on a desktop, i find i'm more efficient in console :) |
| 19:45:48 | XavierXeon | chouimat: yes that the idea style gui |
| 19:46:40 | XavierXeon | or is it called ideal ? |
| 19:47:00 | chouimat | XavierXeon: don't know |
| 19:48:33 | XavierXeon | its called IDEAl (for whatever reason). good thing about it : i can compile for arm and jump to any errors with F4 |
| 19:49:25 | chouimat | XavierXeon: any templatte for that? |
| 19:50:10 | XavierXeon | chouimat: i wrote my own make script (downloadable from my homepage) which i use instead of the normal make command |
| 19:58:51 | chouimat | XavierXeon: url? |
| 20:00:03 | XavierXeon | chouimat: http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/ under section qte/qpe. (i will redesign my webpage this weekend for direct access without frames) |
| 20:00:20 | chouimat | XavierXeon: hehe |
| 20:00:36 | chouimat | XavierXeon: I'm working on a palmos plugin for gideon |
| 20:01:49 | XavierXeon | chouimat: i already have a bash script which generates a new qtopia project. when gideon becomes more stable i wil try to make a kdevelop template to generate a new qtopia project folder |
| 20:03:18 | chouimat | XavierXeon: you use samba? |
| 20:04:17 | XavierXeon | chouimat: i used ssh to transfer the finished binary but i was pissed of by having to type my password each time i transfered a file |
| 20:05:03 | kergoth | XavierXeon: ssh-agent is your friend |
| 20:05:34 | chouimat | XavierXeon: don't have a password on my z |
| 20:06:11 | XavierXeon | kergoth: what i like about samba is that you can mount your z as a local file system on your pc, even though i would prefer a nfs server for the z |
| 20:06:32 | chouimat | wow a Fedex truck had exploded in missouri |
| 20:07:28 | kergoth | XavierXeon: yeah, thats nice |
| 20:24:03 | XavierXeon | yawns |
| 20:24:53 | XavierXeon | ok, i will go to bed now |
| 20:33:22 | benmeyer | do alias's go in bash_profile or bashrc? |
| 20:33:49 | kergoth | benmeyer: usually bashrc is the appropriate place |
| 20:54:02 | benmeyer | warning not for work: http://weddingprints.com/mainnew/wedding.cfm?wid=2162&CFID=199603&CFTOKEN=98609497 |
| 20:54:45 | numatrix|away | benmeyer: Only not for work if you don't have really easy access to your key-bindings to switch virtual screens... ;-) |
| 20:54:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:55:47 | benmeyer | I can see the add now... "Who do you trust with your wedding photos." |
| 20:55:53 | Bruton | was anyone on here when i was explaining the solitair bug? |
| 20:56:09 | benmeyer | the one fixed in Qtopia, but not in the roms? |
| 20:56:39 | Bruton | you can pull the cards from behind the front cards |
| 20:57:00 | numatrix|away | that's not a bug, that's a feature... ;-) |
| 20:57:11 | Bruton | you cant play after you do it |
| 20:57:22 | numatrix|away | whoops; maybe not. |
| 20:57:32 | benmeyer | yah that is a known bug |
| 20:57:36 | benmeyer | fixed long ago by trolltech |
| 20:57:39 | benmeyer | but not by Sharp |
| 20:57:46 | benmeyer | and I have no power to have them fix stuff |
| 20:57:56 | Bruton | how is that then |
| 20:58:12 | Bruton | i see |
| 20:58:13 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:58:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:58:18 | Bruton | sharpsec |
| 20:58:38 | Bruton | i work for UK |
| 20:58:39 | benmeyer | I am developer support |
| 20:59:02 | benmeyer | I get to tell you stuff like this so that you don't have to worry about the bug and be happy in the knoledge that it has been reported |
| 21:00:05 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:02:24 | ljp_work | heh |
| 21:12:37 | ljp_work | brr |
| 21:12:58 | kergoth | snowin out there he |
| 21:12:59 | kergoth | eh |
| 21:13:09 | kergoth | we dont have snow on the ground here yet, surprisingly |
| 21:14:36 | ljp_work | we do in the grassy areas.. but will melt in a day or so |
| 21:25:47 | hardwire | hi |
| 21:25:58 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 21:26:07 | kergoth | hi |
| 21:26:13 | hardwire | feels so welcomed |
| 21:26:14 | hardwire | well |
| 21:26:18 | hardwire | I didn't bag a woman at the mall |
| 21:26:26 | kergoth | get pants and a haircut? |
| 21:26:28 | hardwire | but man.. I got a nice haircut :) |
| 21:26:30 | hardwire | and pants! |
| 21:26:35 | hardwire | and a shirt.. to replace the woman |
| 21:26:39 | hardwire | and then I got my knife sharpened |
| 21:26:42 | hardwire | :) |
| 21:27:38 | inomine | lol |
| 21:28:00 | Twiun | hardwire: who served you? Man or woman? |
| 21:33:08 | ljp_work | where's that new doo web cam? |
| 21:36:14 | ljp_work | c'mon, hardwire.. we want to see the doo! |
| 21:36:25 | hardwire | Twiun: heh |
| 21:36:29 | hardwire | oh |
| 21:36:30 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:36:31 | hardwire | damnit |
| 21:36:33 | hardwire | hold on |
| 21:36:48 | Twiun | she's phoning ya? |
| 21:37:05 | hardwire | takes the pipe from Twiun |
| 21:37:52 | Twiun | reaches with his trembling hand... |
| 21:37:57 | Twiun | Man, you're HARSH! |
| 21:38:07 | Twiun | topples over |
| 21:38:12 | Twiun | falls off the floor |
| 21:38:22 | nadav | Doe|> ah |
| 21:38:22 | nadav | 21:16 <@jongadine> oi jd u cheat |
| 21:38:22 | nadav | 21:16 <@|JohnDoe|> ? |
| 21:38:23 | hardwire | hehe |
| 21:38:24 | hardwire | harsh pipe |
| 21:38:25 | hardwire | man |
| 21:38:26 | nadav | omg |
| 21:38:30 | nadav | i keep doing that accidently |
| 21:38:41 | Twiun | haha |
| 21:38:49 | nadav | there |
| 21:38:54 | nadav | now if i paste, it'll be a space :P |
| 21:39:09 | hardwire | hmm |
| 21:39:17 | hardwire | if you paste in space can anybody hear X crash? |
| 21:40:10 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 21:41:00 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:44:13 | digiSilk | has anyone else used Intellisync from within VMWare? |
| 21:46:21 | hardwire | DEAR GOD NO! |
| 21:46:32 | hardwire | err.. my cat was being cute |
| 21:46:43 | hardwire | I bought a hoody today |
| 21:46:44 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:46:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:46:59 | hardwire | it was supposed to be $99.00 |
| 21:47:03 | hardwire | instead it was $19.00 |
| 21:47:14 | hardwire | I really don't understand why it even costs $19.00 |
| 21:47:14 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 21:47:55 | hardwire | almost has his camera installed |
| 21:48:00 | hardwire | so you can all see my sexy head |
| 21:48:24 | ljp_work | you still moving in? |
| 21:48:33 | hardwire | I have 1 and 1/2 days to move out |
| 21:48:41 | hardwire | I have lots of shit at home still |
| 21:48:44 | hardwire | its snowing |
| 21:48:45 | hardwire | :( |
| 21:48:48 | hardwire | and I have no car |
| 21:48:57 | hardwire | the dude I was gonna borrow a truck from has CCN Aclasses all week |
| 21:49:01 | hardwire | CCNA |
| 21:49:01 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:49:37 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 21:49:42 | ljp_work | rental truck |
| 21:50:22 | hardwire | no |
| 21:50:27 | hardwire | I don't have that much to move |
| 21:50:37 | hardwire | the problem is I don't even have a car to begin with |
| 21:50:38 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:50:40 | hardwire | hmm |
| 21:50:50 | hardwire | the Playstation 2 black usb keyboards are very nice |
| 21:50:50 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:50:52 | hardwire | usb |
| 21:50:57 | hardwire | no sound |
| 21:50:59 | hardwire | nice button actino |
| 21:51:02 | hardwire | action |
| 21:51:02 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:51:03 | ljp_work | backpack |
| 21:51:12 | ljp_work | hey! |
| 21:51:24 | ljp_work | grocery store cart! |
| 21:51:32 | hardwire | well |
| 21:51:38 | hardwire | its a little farther than I would want to walk |
| 21:51:39 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:52:26 | ljp_work | bike |
| 21:52:32 | hardwire | no bike |
| 21:52:37 | ljp_work | man.. |
| 21:52:46 | ljp_work | skates? |
| 21:52:47 | hardwire | and I am not gonna carry the 1000lbps left |
| 21:52:50 | hardwire | on skates |
| 21:52:52 | hardwire | or a bike |
| 21:52:57 | hardwire | or in a safeway grocery cart |
| 21:52:57 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:53:06 | hardwire | I am just gonna work my ass off tonight and pilfer a truck |
| 21:53:06 | ljp_work | no, man wheels at all.. |
| 21:53:13 | hardwire | ? |
| 21:53:18 | hardwire | man, no wheels at all.. ?? |
| 21:53:24 | ljp_work | come steal my van |
| 21:53:43 | ljp_work | bring plates |
| 21:53:49 | ljp_work | :D |
| 21:55:14 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:55:22 | hardwire | it needs a new clutch right? |
| 21:56:20 | ljp_work | ya,, but it starts.. |
| 21:56:27 | ljp_work | also needs an oil change |
| 21:56:30 | hardwire | does it "go"? |
| 21:56:35 | ljp_work | and non rusty gas |
| 21:56:55 | ljp_work | sure.. dont needs a clutch anyhow, really |
| 21:57:05 | ljp_work | its not registered, tho |
| 21:57:30 | benmeyer | bye |
| 21:57:43 | benmeyer | goes home and gets home made lasania.... |
| 21:57:56 | ljp_work | bitch |
| 21:58:06 | ljp_work | dang.. too fast |
| 22:04:05 | hardwire | ? |
| 22:04:32 | hardwire | didn't it smoke up your block last time you started it :) |
| 22:05:55 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/newdew.png |
| 22:07:36 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/newdew2.png |
| 22:07:38 | hardwire | happy now ljp ? |
| 22:08:50 | hardwire | ? |
| 22:09:08 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 22:10:18 | hardwire | hmmm |
| 22:10:26 | hardwire | how many human heads can I fit in one monitor? |
| 22:10:35 | kergoth | well |
| 22:10:38 | kergoth | are they shrunken or no? |
| 22:10:41 | hardwire | 1 N Feb 17 DrThompson@exci ( 102) Seize DOES Matter ! |
| 22:10:43 | hardwire | I knew it |
| 22:10:44 | hardwire | cries |
| 22:10:51 | kergoth | seize? |
| 22:10:52 | kergoth | wtf |
| 22:11:07 | hardwire | aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyyyyyhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooie |
| 22:11:09 | hardwire | shrunken |
| 22:11:17 | hardwire | man |
| 22:11:18 | hardwire | grr |
| 22:11:20 | hardwire | GRR |
| 22:11:22 | hardwire | gets restless |
| 22:12:58 | hardwire | likes his new hoody |
| 22:13:03 | hardwire | <- hoodylum |
| 22:20:30 | hardwire | I TOOK MY HOODY OFF AND NOW MY NOGGIN IS FREEZIN! |
| 22:23:17 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 22:23:23 | kergoth | DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT |
| 22:23:40 | kergoth | ibot: message for benmeyer: 1) interfaces parser isnt working. shows dhcp regardless |
| 22:23:55 | kergoth | ibot: message for benmeyer: 2) wireless tcp/ip config changes still arent being saved to interfaces. |
| 22:41:17 | hardwire | any astronomers in here? |
| 22:49:13 | Sniper | i eat astronomers |
| 22:50:00 | coup-afk | Sniper, that's an odd first thing for me to see when i logged on, had to check i'd joined #zaurus ;) |
| 22:51:02 | mark | Sniper: do I get a free new Z when they come out? :P |
| 22:51:35 | Sniper | why free? |
| 22:51:53 | mark | i dunno :), jesture of good will? |
| 22:52:02 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 22:52:05 | coup | seems fair, i should obviously get one too |
| 22:52:08 | coup | nods |
| 22:52:16 | ChipX86 | free Zauruses for everybody! |
| 22:52:22 | coup | hurrah! |
| 22:52:23 | mark | Sniper: or i could try and get one of Sharp UK for using a screeny of Knights in promo material without asking me :) |
| 22:52:47 | Sniper | mark : that might be a better approach.. isnt knights selling well? you should have enough $$ to buy a new one |
| 22:53:16 | mark | Sniper: i spent it, hehe. |
| 22:53:22 | Sniper | mark: stop buying drugs |
| 22:53:53 | mark | no no, stop buying car parts, cell phones, PC upgrades.. |
| 22:53:57 | coup | lol |
| 22:54:05 | coup | yeah, stop buying them and buy drugs |
| 22:54:31 | Sniper | mark: r u going to upgrade knights? |
| 22:54:36 | Sniper | i want my pieces to fight each other |
| 22:54:40 | Sniper | make it commercial |
| 22:54:50 | coup | lol |
| 22:55:02 | mark | Sniper: ii've started work on next version, should kick arse. |
| 22:55:04 | Sniper | or u can make a nude version |
| 22:55:14 | Sniper | im sure that will sell. haha |
| 22:55:16 | coup | i'll model for the king ;) |
| 22:55:24 | Sniper | i'll model for the rook |
| 22:55:25 | coup | i have a kingly beer gut :) |
| 22:55:27 | mark | Sniper: hehe |
| 22:56:04 | Sniper | when will the new version be released? |
| 22:56:15 | Twiun | hey Sniper |
| 22:56:21 | Sniper | hi twiun |
| 22:56:44 | mark | Sniper: i dunno, i'm currently porting a pocket PC game over |
| 22:57:03 | Sniper | mark: which one? |
| 23:01:56 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: whats new in sharpland |
| 23:02:13 | Sniper | im not allowed to say |
| 23:02:15 | Sniper | hehe |
| 23:02:44 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:02:54 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: heh |
| 23:03:01 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: why let that stop you? |
| 23:03:25 | coup | yeah, whisper it, no-one will know ;) |
| 23:03:26 | Sniper | just wait a few weeks ok? |
| 23:04:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmmm |
| 23:04:06 | TheMasterMind1 | a few weeks eh |
| 23:04:59 | TheMasterMind1 | oz3 is about to release |
| 23:04:59 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 23:05:13 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, we've been saying that for 2 weeks now |
| 23:05:57 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: hehe. but it really is! |
| 23:06:03 | kergoth_ | mutters about networksetup |
| 23:06:26 | Sniper | when will OZ 3 be released? will there be a PR release? |
| 23:06:27 | Twiun | cheers kergoth_ on! |
| 23:06:34 | Sniper | can i supply a quote? hehe |
| 23:07:04 | mark | can you do dial up connections nicely yet? |
| 23:07:37 | kergoth_ | Sniper: it was going to release today, but i found 3 critical bugs in ben's networksetup app |
| 23:07:45 | kergoth_ | Sniper: may still today if i can fix them |
| 23:08:43 | Cloudchaser | Sniper: must be a good announcement we are all waitng impatiently for! |
| 23:08:48 | mark | kergoth_: dial up connections via IR? :) |
| 23:09:01 | kergoth_ | mark: will work fine, but networksetup doesnt have a ppp module yet. pester ben |
| 23:09:07 | kergoth_ | mark: (i.e no gui for it yet) |
| 23:09:13 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: I've gone to OZ at last... still a little bumpy ;-) |
| 23:09:13 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: they've been prereleases out for a while |
| 23:09:16 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 23:09:16 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz prerelease |
| 23:09:18 | mark | kergoth_: ah okay |
| 23:09:30 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: a quote? |
| 23:09:40 | mark | kergoth_: thats the thing i've missed from sharp rom |
| 23:09:41 | kergoth_ | Twiun: at least you're reporting the bugs so they get fixed, thanks :) |
| 23:09:41 | TheMasterMind1 | contemplates a testimonials page on the oz website.. |
| 23:09:48 | neale | haw haw |
| 23:09:51 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 23:09:51 | mark | 'OPEN ZAURUS CHANGED MY LIFE' |
| 23:09:52 | kergoth_ | hey raster |
| 23:09:53 | neale | the prerelease is *gone* |
| 23:10:00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:10:05 | TheMasterMind1 | we also need a screenshots page |
| 23:10:06 | kergoth_ | neale: it moved, hold on |
| 23:10:06 | Sniper | raster, sup! |
| 23:10:13 | TheMasterMind1 | which will basically be good opie screenshots |
| 23:10:14 | neale | *gone*, I tell you! |
| 23:10:21 | | kergoth_: I forgot oz prerelease |
| 23:10:21 | kergoth_ | ibot forget oz prerelease |
| 23:10:22 | Twiun | kergoth_: my pleasure... I used to be at the end of that kind of system... and moaning to the reporters to make the reports more DETAILED! |
| 23:10:27 | mark | 'Try openZaurus, the revolutionarly new Zaurus distribution from kergoth, it'll improve your love life by 45%!' |
| 23:10:28 | TheMasterMind1 | and make people laugh at the crappiness of the sharp rom apps |
| 23:10:38 | raster | kergoth_: yo! morning mate! |
| 23:10:39 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 23:10:39 | kergoth_ | ibot oz prerelease is at http://www.openzaurus.org/official/testing/old/20021019_1336/ |
| 23:10:44 | kergoth_ | raster: hows it going? |
| 23:10:48 | raster | Sniper: my pants are definitely up! :) how goes? |
| 23:10:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, alright, no testimonials |
| 23:10:59 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: you ahve? |
| 23:11:09 | Sniper | :-) |
| 23:11:22 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: yup! |
| 23:11:29 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: just about 2 hours ago |
| 23:11:34 | raster | kergoth_: just got to work.. just finished my tax return.. need to post it... yuk. i HATe taxes! |
| 23:11:44 | Sniper | how many people work on OpenZaurus - we should recruit more people |
| 23:11:47 | Cloudchaser | and..how is it going? |
| 23:11:56 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: we have enough people |
| 23:12:04 | mark | Sniper: yeh, when are sharp gonna start working on it? |
| 23:12:06 | Sniper | how many people? |
| 23:12:12 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: still a few Sharp edges ;-) |
| 23:12:12 | Sniper | mark: never |
| 23:12:21 | Sniper | mark: we love Sharp ROM |
| 23:12:23 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: hmm, maybe 5? |
| 23:12:25 | mark | Sniper: heh |
| 23:12:29 | Sniper | u need more! |
| 23:12:41 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: usable, definately, but nothing's gone drastically wrong for me, so I haven't felt the worst yet |
| 23:12:44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:12:52 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: too many developers is not good |
| 23:12:56 | TheMasterMind1 | its fine as it is |
| 23:12:57 | Sniper | ok |
| 23:12:57 | Cloudchaser | ah keep me posted, if you would :0 |
| 23:13:11 | Sniper | what kernel is OZ? |
| 23:13:15 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: certainly |
| 23:13:16 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: 2.4.6 still |
| 23:13:21 | Sniper | what?!?! |
| 23:13:25 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: we start working on 2.4.19 after this release |
| 23:13:27 | TheMasterMind1 | haven't had time |
| 23:13:29 | Sniper | next Sharp Rom will probably be .13 I guess |
| 23:13:43 | TheMasterMind1 | Sniper: there's actually going to be a next sharp rom? |
| 23:14:15 | Sniper | err maybe it will be .18 |
| 23:14:19 | kergoth_ | i'm ready to hit the bars tonight, today blew |
| 23:14:19 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: nice, md5sums on the second line looks *much* cleaner |
| 23:14:19 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: (re download page) |
| 23:14:21 | Sniper | there's always working on fixing the bugs |
| 23:15:03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: yep :) |
| 23:15:17 | Cloudchaser | hey kergoth: can i join you!??? |
| 23:15:23 | Cloudchaser | i had one of those days also! |
| 23:15:40 | kergoth_ | hell yeah |
| 23:15:44 | kergoth_ | Cloudchaser: how goes the job hunt? |
| 23:15:52 | Cloudchaser | so far nothing |
| 23:16:00 | Cloudchaser | not quite sure where to even look |
| 23:16:21 | kergoth_ | sorry to hear that |
| 23:16:28 | Cloudchaser | have a few prospects, but nothing firm. |
| 23:17:07 | Sniper | cloudchaser: you got layed-off? |
| 23:17:22 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 23:17:28 | Cloudchaser | 2 weeks ago |
| 23:17:28 | Sniper | when?! |
| 23:17:37 | Sniper | sorry to hear that - was it a big company? |
| 23:17:40 | Cloudchaser | NEC |
| 23:17:50 | Sniper | WOW! doh.. sorry - what is your background? |
| 23:17:54 | Cloudchaser | they bought the company i worked for a year ago |
| 23:18:01 | Cloudchaser | and lay off a few more each quarter |
| 23:18:09 | retsel | I notice that the "install guide" at www.openzaurus.org instructs one to add bootlog.txt to the CF card, but bootlog.txt does not appear to be available for download any more. Is it no longer needed, am I missing something, or something broken at openzaurus.org? |
| 23:18:13 | Twiun | hypnotises Sniper... "You need to get Cloudchaser hired... You..." |
| 23:18:19 | Ghent19 | cloudchaser: same story with Me, Ericsson bought out ACC, then laid us all off |
| 23:18:37 | Cloudchaser | CCNP, CCDA, network management specialization.. mostly cisco the last few years |
| 23:18:44 | Sniper | i wish i could get some of u hired.. we're not hiring |
| 23:18:55 | kergoth_ | retsel: its available, just not on the download page yet. it will be, but its not required regardless |
| 23:19:00 | Cloudchaser | no one in sniper |
| 23:19:00 | Sniper | cloudchaser: oh - network stuff.. hmmph |
| 23:19:03 | retsel | s/bootlog.txt/bootflag.txt/ -- sorry |
| 23:19:06 | Cloudchaser | but thank you for your thoughts ;) |
| 23:19:23 | retsel | kergoth_: thanks |
| 23:19:45 | Sniper | how come on the Sharp ROm we dont accept octet of 0 for IP addresses. does OZ allow this? |
| 23:20:26 | kergoth_ | Sniper: for ip addresses where? netowrk setup app? |
| 23:20:52 | Sniper | yeah .. when specifying IP addresses |
| 23:20:59 | Sniper | Sharp R0M doesnt not like 0s |
| 23:21:08 | kergoth_ | OZ doesnt do any sanity checking ont he values you enter in atm |
| 23:21:14 | kergoth_ | s/OZ/opie's networksetup app/ |
| 23:21:18 | kergoth_ | talk to ben about that, he wrote it |
| 23:21:24 | kergoth_ | iirc |
| 23:21:39 | retsel | fyi: we're doing some pretty neat stuff w/the Z at our company, and we've got 2 positions open right now -- although I think that one of them filled today. |
| 23:21:45 | retsel | http://www.10east.com/index.cgi?personal_mobile_tool |
| 23:21:45 | kergoth_ | or did he just improve on it? fuck i cant remember |
| 23:22:55 | Sniper | retsel: you're with 10 East? |
| 23:24:03 | Cloudchaser | neat retsel: what type of positions? |
| 23:24:20 | Sniper | i'll ask ben tomorrow |
| 23:24:51 | kergoth_ | geh, what a fucking day |
| 23:25:10 | TheMasterMind1 | retsel: if you find any more stuff that needs fixing on the site, tell me |
| 23:25:10 | kergoth_ | checks to see if his boss is still here |
| 23:25:16 | Sniper | huh? |
| 23:26:06 | retsel | Sniper: yes, Cloudchaser: have a look at http://www.10east.com/index.cgi?employment |
| 23:26:14 | Cloudchaser | i am now ;) |
| 23:26:22 | Cloudchaser | just took me a sec to find how to get there |
| 23:26:36 | retsel | Cloudchaser: the Z is a new thing for us ... so that job desc doesn't really adress very directly the Z side of things... |
| 23:27:04 | kergoth_ | retsel: i dont like navbars that follow me around |
| 23:27:06 | kergoth_ | retsel: :P |
| 23:27:26 | Cloudchaser | well the guys in here might be better suited .. |
| 23:27:31 | Cloudchaser | i'm not a developer ;( |
| 23:27:31 | retsel | kergoth_: I totally agree. I hate them too, but I'm not the marketing guy. :( |
| 23:27:43 | kergoth_ | retsel: figured, had to give you shit though :) |
| 23:28:10 | Cloudchaser | sounds like a neat position though |
| 23:30:22 | hardwire | neet |
| 23:32:51 | Cloudchaser | would be very cool to have a job doing z stuff and make a living at it :) |
| 23:34:42 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:34:57 | hardwire | Cloudchaser how about getting a job doing embedded systems.. which sorta profits more than just the Z |
| 23:36:03 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 23:36:06 | Cloudchaser | that works too |
| 23:36:08 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 23:36:25 | Sniper | darn.. ok - remember to include the battle scenes, ok? |
| 23:36:25 | mark | hehe |
| 23:36:26 | mark | Sniper: when you guys produce a pda with a 640x480 display, i'll do the battle scenes |
| 23:36:26 | retsel | Cloudchaser: what type of sysadmin work do you like to do? |
| 23:36:27 | Sniper | mark: patience then. |
| 23:37:12 | Cloudchaser | any really. the last 3 years i did alot of installation/configuration of lan switches/routers |
| 23:37:30 | Cloudchaser | some network management software installation |
| 23:37:33 | Neo|Work | retsel: I assume you require on-site employees? :P |
| 23:37:38 | Sniper | cloudchaser: do you do network security? |
| 23:37:58 | Cloudchaser | i have done some pix/checkpoint things |
| 23:38:03 | Sniper | neo: hey- i met some people from Real at CTIA 2 weeks ago. I asked about you.. one guy said he kinda knows you |
| 23:38:16 | Neo|Work | Sniper: know their names? |
| 23:38:18 | Sniper | cloudchaser: oh more firewall stuff? |
| 23:38:43 | Sniper | neo: i have his card somewhere - i'll look for it - I inquired about Helix as well.. |
| 23:39:19 | Cloudchaser | I don't have as much experience with network security as i'd like.. |
| 23:40:23 | kergoth_ | hrmph |
| 23:40:28 | kergoth_ | mutters |
| 23:40:32 | Sniper | use the Z to hack into systems.. Check out the Nessus port |
| 23:40:33 | hardwire | mutters back |
| 23:40:35 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:40:39 | hardwire | http://zaurus.bogomip.com/ |
| 23:40:49 | hardwire | squid is doing assloads of redirectino for me at the moment |
| 23:41:00 | retsel | Neo|Work: yep. pretty much on-site. |
| 23:41:56 | Neo|Work | retsel: figures |
| 23:42:04 | Twiun | hardwire: lol... lemme find that old windows swapfile and I'll upload it ;-) |
| 23:42:14 | hardwire | e! |
| 23:42:15 | Sniper | notes that Florida is a nice place to work (while I'm stuck in NJ) |
| 23:42:27 | Neo|Work | Sniper: perhaps, but I'm stuck in WA. :P |
| 23:42:43 | Sniper | neo: I was just in Seattle last week |
| 23:43:31 | Neo|Work | you travel a lot (compared to me) |
| 23:43:48 | Cloudchaser | i love to travel |
| 23:43:58 | Cloudchaser | just dont get to do it all that much ;) |
| 23:44:10 | Sniper | cloudchaser: i do a lot of pre-sales stuff |
| 23:44:15 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 23:44:19 | Sniper | cloudchaser: gets tiring |
| 23:44:35 | Cloudchaser | yes i'm sure it does...i've heard that from people that travel alot ;) |
| 23:44:41 | Cloudchaser | its not a vacation for you |
| 23:44:57 | erikd | ahh |
| 23:45:05 | erikd | home from work |
| 23:45:26 | Sniper | waiting for program to compile - then will go home |
| 23:45:44 | erikd | yeah, i kinda just left some work there for tonight :) |
| 23:45:50 | erikd | oooh, new oz site |
| 23:46:07 | | openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[dg] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 23:46:07 | Sniper | ibot openzaurus |
| 23:46:40 | | kergoth_: I forgot openzaurus |
| 23:46:40 | kergoth_ | ibot forget openzaurus |
| 23:46:55 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 23:46:55 | kergoth_ | ibot openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp |
| 23:46:57 | kergoth_ | bah |
| 23:46:58 | | i already had it that way, kergoth_. |
| 23:46:58 | kergoth_ | ibot openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp |
| 23:47:00 | | kergoth_: I forgot openzaurus |
| 23:47:00 | kergoth_ | ibot forget openzaurus |
| 23:47:31 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 23:47:31 | kergoth_ | ibot openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[dg] PDA. See http://www.openzaurus.org/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 23:48:24 | erikd | kergoth: what about SL-5?00[dg] ? |
| 23:48:42 | erikd | or... SL-5[50]00[dg] |
| 23:48:44 | kergoth_ | good idea, would be actual regex syntax then |
| 23:48:53 | | kergoth_: I forgot openzaurus |
| 23:48:53 | kergoth_ | ibot forget openzaurus |
| 23:49:07 | erikd | :) |
| 23:49:27 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 23:49:27 | kergoth_ | ibot openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5[50]00[dg]{0,1} PDA. See http://www.openzaurus.org/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 23:49:31 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 23:49:39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: how comes networksetup |
| 23:50:18 | erikd | boots to windows to backup his z so he doesn't lose anything when he switches to oz tonight |
| 23:50:21 | erikd | bbias |
| 23:50:39 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: so luck so far, i dont know this code well enough yet |
| 23:51:31 | | oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 23:51:31 | Neo|Work | ibot oz |
| 23:51:49 | | kergoth_: I forgot oz |
| 23:51:49 | kergoth_ | ibot forget oz |
| 23:52:00 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 23:52:00 | kergoth_ | ibot oz is see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 23:54:00 | erikd | bah, can't find my z driver cd |
| 23:57:24 | coup | erikd: download it from the sharp site? |
| 23:58:20 | Neo|Work | hrm. 15 bucks for an english dictionary.. |
| 23:58:33 | Neo|Work | I should package edict up etc |
| 23:58:41 | Neo|Work | and add a local server package |
| 23:59:48 | Sniper | heading home for dinner.. bback later |
