| 00:10:11 | darienm | endr: Did someone give you a calendar file yet? |
| 00:12:03 | Wint | treke: seems to have broken things for me. |
| 00:12:37 | Wint | I'll just backup my data and hard reset tomorrow, I think |
| 00:12:56 | treke|home | hmm. if you remove it all should be well |
| 00:14:46 | Zxcvb | is exult accurate in it's reimplementation? |
| 00:15:45 | Wint | Hm. That appears to have also removed libqpe |
| 00:16:12 | Wint | finds the Zaurus package management rather primitive |
| 00:16:55 | Zxcvb | Wint: have you tried exult yet? |
| 00:17:05 | treke|home | ha. |
| 00:17:29 | Wint | What's exult? |
| 00:18:33 | Ghent19 | All, whats the trick in getting the wireless CF card to be recognized? I setup wireless config to my SSID and have wep disabled. I tried internet wizard and did DHCP. Using LInksys WCF12 card i believe |
| 00:18:37 | Zxcvb | Wint: replacement ultima 7 engine |
| 00:21:26 | Wint | I've not tried any of those kinds of things |
| 00:22:03 | Wint | Ghent: I had to do a lot of fiddling |
| 00:22:23 | Ghent19 | it looks like it doesnt even detect the cf card, no icon appears on screen for it |
| 00:22:38 | Wint | And WEP doesn't work between the CF card and AP, it seems |
| 00:22:53 | Ghent19 | i dont care about wep. its a joke anyways ;) |
| 00:22:54 | Wint | Though it did with a laptop in ad-hoc mode... |
| 00:23:15 | wParam | mine's got wep working |
| 00:23:24 | mark | hmm. when i do QDirectPainter *p = new QDirectPainter(mywidget) to draw on a widget, i loose keyboard input (ie keypressevengt()) any ideas/ |
| 00:23:30 | noda | Wint: There's no such thing as an access point in ad-hoc. |
| 00:23:49 | Ghent19 | you guys running openzaurus or sharps rom? |
| 00:23:51 | noda | Wint: Ignore me, I misread :) |
| 00:24:13 | Wint | /ignore noda smack-talking ;) |
| 00:24:38 | noda | :) |
| 00:25:06 | Wint | Ghent: WEP == rot13, but every little bit helps, eh? |
| 00:25:10 | noda | I've got wep between my CF and my PCI card running as an access point. |
| 00:25:20 | wParam | i've got the sharp rom |
| 00:25:28 | noda | uses OZ |
| 00:25:41 | Ghent19 | wint heh, |
| 00:25:59 | Wint | I'm using SHARP with Qtopia 1.6b2 |
| 00:26:18 | Ghent19 | anyone got this wcf12 card working? ive seen success on zauruszone but its not looking like its detected at all in mine |
| 00:26:38 | Wint | Does cardctl ident list the card when you insert it? |
| 00:27:02 | mark | Wint: how is it? |
| 00:27:03 | Ghent19 | wheres cardctl? |
| 00:28:07 | Wint | mark: Fine, more or less, but Qtopia pre-1.6 was my first experience |
| 00:28:24 | Wint | Other than that my PDAs have been Palms |
| 00:28:33 | wParam | sharp really needs to release rom version 2.39 with the wcf12 settings pre-installed |
| 00:28:45 | Wint | Ghent: command line part of pcmcia-cs |
| 00:28:51 | Ghent19 | i just upgraded to 2.37 is there a newer one? |
| 00:29:01 | wParam | yeah, there's 2.38 |
| 00:29:09 | mark | Wint: ok |
| 00:29:18 | Wint | mark: So I don't have a very broad experience with 1.5 or OZ/Opie |
| 00:29:22 | Ghent19 | does oz have support for wcf12 built in? ;) |
| 00:29:27 | wParam | it fixes sandisk 128 meg sd card problems and closes the syncing security bug |
| 00:30:57 | Zxcvb | wParam: by rebooting if the root login fails 3 times, right? |
| 00:31:24 | wParam | Zxcvb: i hadn't heard that |
| 00:31:37 | wParam | i thought they just made it so it can't be accessed except through the usb interface |
| 00:31:59 | Zxcvb | wParam: well, sometimes my Z reboots, and on the screen when qpe starts, it says root login failed a few times |
| 00:32:08 | Zxcvb | wParam: I assumed it was the security feature |
| 00:32:24 | wParam | that's odd... |
| 00:32:27 | wParam | might be |
| 00:32:34 | wParam | never bothered to set a root password |
| 00:32:43 | Zxcvb | wParam: or could konqueror be causing it? |
| 00:32:59 | Wint | The no root password thing is kind dumb I must say |
| 00:33:09 | wParam | :P |
| 00:33:11 | wParam | is lazy |
| 00:33:19 | Zxcvb | Wint: doesn't matter |
| 00:33:28 | Zxcvb | Wint: the ftp server doesn't even check /etc/passwd |
| 00:33:28 | wParam | also suffered a hard reset today |
| 00:33:44 | Wint | So I've heard |
| 00:34:39 | Wint | Guess you're right though - anybody installing e.g. sshd or telnet (ugh) would be savvy enough to set a password |
| 00:35:01 | Zxcvb | telnet is installed, but disabled |
| 00:35:08 | Zxcvb | I only use telnet when connected via USB, though |
| 00:35:31 | Zxcvb | and always turn it off with the server manager every time I remove it from the cradle |
| 00:36:02 | noda | uses ssh and scp on OZ. |
| 00:36:04 | Zxcvb | I run a http server (bound to 192.168.130.1) on my laptop, then I telnet into the Z, and use wget to transfer files |
| 00:36:39 | Zxcvb | how can you sniff a USB connection remotely without very expensive and illegal equipment? |
| 00:37:10 | Wint | Illegal? |
| 00:37:16 | treke|laptop | I dont know about illegal |
| 00:37:23 | Ghent19 | heh, van eck devices ? ;) |
| 00:37:27 | Wint | I doubt illegal |
| 00:37:34 | Zxcvb | yeah |
| 00:37:47 | Ghent19 | just tempest proof your house ;) |
| 00:37:47 | noda | Zxcvb: ethereal can sniff usb just as well as anything else, can't it? |
| 00:37:54 | Zxcvb | noda: not remotely |
| 00:37:55 | treke|laptop | noda: he said remotely |
| 00:37:58 | Wint | But regardless, telnet over USB is probably fine |
| 00:38:00 | noda | Ah. |
| 00:38:01 | Zxcvb | noda: you need tempest snooping |
| 00:38:16 | Zxcvb | noda: and if they have that, why not snoop on the CPU, RAM, or LCD/CRT |
| 00:38:38 | noda | I don't understand - how can *anything* be sniffed remotely? The data only passes between those two devices... |
| 00:38:59 | Zxcvb | noda: any wire or electronic device emits RF energy |
| 00:39:00 | Wint | OTOH ssh you can just install and use in all circumstances... |
| 00:39:06 | noda | Ah, I see. That sounds like fun :) |
| 00:39:14 | noda | Wint: Yep |
| 00:39:21 | Zxcvb | noda: you can reconstruct the data by recieving and processing those very weak signals |
| 00:39:29 | Zxcvb | noda: and yes, this is CIA/NSA level stuff |
| 00:39:35 | noda | Figured :) |
| 00:39:44 | treke|laptop | Zxcvb: THe big problem probably isnt in the equipment, but in figuring out how the hell to do it |
| 00:39:49 | noda | I guess people who have that kind of technology would find ssh quite easy to decrypt, eh? :P |
| 00:39:55 | Wint | Assuming you know enough about the construction of said devices |
| 00:40:08 | Ghent19 | noda: yeah, since your readin wahts on monitor |
| 00:40:12 | Wint | noda: AFAWK, no |
| 00:40:23 | noda | Ghent19: rofl, oh yeah :P |
| 00:40:27 | Zxcvb | noda: nope |
| 00:40:35 | Zxcvb | noda: decrypting SSH would require a quantum computer |
| 00:40:42 | noda | Whee, fun! :) |
| 00:40:50 | noda | wants to learn about all this kind of stuff. |
| 00:40:54 | Zxcvb | noda: with one of those, storage space increases exponentially as you add more bits |
| 00:41:09 | noda | Woo :) |
| 00:41:13 | Zxcvb | noda: i.e. double the number of bits, you much more than double the storage space |
| 00:41:18 | Zxcvb | noda: a normal bit is 1 or 0 |
| 00:41:25 | Wint | Unless they can snoop on the initiation of the ssh connection and derive the keys... |
| 00:41:28 | Ghent19 | yeah, thats fun stuff, |
| 00:41:28 | noda | I gotta learn about awesome stuff like this :) |
| 00:41:33 | Zxcvb | noda: a quantum bit (qbit) is 1 or 0 or a superposition of both 1 and 0 |
| 00:41:41 | noda | rofl |
| 00:41:48 | Zxcvb | noda: like the cat that is both alive and dead until you observe it |
| 00:41:56 | noda | Wow. |
| 00:42:02 | noda | Where does one learn all this? uni? |
| 00:42:09 | Zxcvb | noda: basic quantum mechanics |
| 00:42:25 | Wint | Schrödinger's cat |
| 00:43:05 | Wint | Paranoia one can learn easily enough by reading bugtraq for a while and studying operating systems |
| 00:43:29 | noda | Heh |
| 00:43:56 | Wint | That's what I did at least |
| 00:49:10 | mark | Sugar: seen warmi |
| 00:49:10 | Sugar | mark: I last saw warmi quitting IRC 93h 46m 24s ago. |
| 00:49:16 | mark | NeoTron: ping :) |
| 00:52:56 | mark | any QDirectPainter expereince about/ |
| 00:53:44 | tux_mike | not here |
| 00:53:57 | mark | grr, this is so annoying :) |
| 00:55:50 | mark | as soon as I declare one to a widget i cease to get keyboard input |
| 00:56:14 | treke|laptop | mark: it blocks the event queue iirc |
| 00:56:29 | mark | treke|laptop: ah shit, that'd be it. |
| 00:56:42 | treke|laptop | mark: are you creating it, drawing to it, and then destroying it? |
| 00:56:58 | mark | treke|laptop: i haven't been destroying it |
| 00:57:09 | treke|laptop | ah, you've got to do that |
| 00:57:20 | mark | after every draw? |
| 00:58:27 | treke|laptop | yup |
| 00:59:14 | treke|laptop | Note that while a QDirectPainter exists, the entire Qt/Embedded window system is locked from use by other applications. Always construct the QDirectPainter as an auto (stack) variable, and be very careful to write robust and stable code within its scope. |
| 00:59:41 | mark | treke|laptop: whats a stack variable? |
| 01:00:22 | treke|laptop | mark: Just a variable you declared, not one created by new |
| 01:02:06 | mark | treke|laptop: yey, thats got it, thanks a lot :) |
| 01:06:38 | mark | treke|laptop: remind me to buy you a drink next time ur in the uk :) |
| 01:06:47 | treke|laptop | hehe. I'll keep that in mind |
| 01:10:43 | mark | does the big button on the Z generate a space or a enter? |
| 01:15:17 | Cam___ | anyone using gcc in redhat for C++? |
| 01:16:38 | noda | Cam___: Zillions of people are, all on #redhat :) |
| 01:17:14 | Cam___ | OK, anyone trying to compile C++ PDA code for x86, happening to be on RedHat or using GCC 3.2-7?? |
| 01:18:13 | treke|laptop | Cam___: if you want to do qtopia for x86 development, your best off installing 2.95 |
| 01:19:00 | Cam___ | treke|laptop: but 3.x is the future |
| 01:19:26 | treke|laptop | Cam___: yeah it is, as is QT3 |
| 01:20:57 | treke|laptop | Cam___: unfortunatly out of the box, qt2.3 and qtopia 1.[456] dont compile with gcc3 |
| 01:21:40 | Cam___ | oh that's a shame, I need gcc 3 for other stuff |
| 01:21:53 | treke|laptop | no reason to only have one installed |
| 01:23:47 | noda | Cam___: Lots of people run both at once (myself included) |
| 01:23:57 | noda | Er, well, not run. but I have them both installed :P |
| 01:24:18 | Cam___ | noda do you have two versions of gcc for x86 installed? |
| 01:24:36 | treke|laptop | I've got 2.95, 3.0 and 3.2 installed atm |
| 01:24:53 | noda | Cam___: Yes, 2.95.3 that came with my system and gcc-3.2 in /usr/local/gcc3 |
| 01:25:15 | Cam___ | what's the best way of switching between them, do you just do CONFIG_SITE=xxx ./configure ? |
| 01:25:33 | Cam___ | or do you hack the PATH, is there a FAQ for this? |
| 01:25:35 | noda | I just change symlinks around, I never use 2.95.3 :P |
| 01:53:00 | | Atomic >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=485 |
| 01:53:01 | | backgammon >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=486 |
| 01:53:02 | | BilliardZ >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=16 |
| 01:53:03 | | 3 of 10 shown. See all at http://zaurii.com/zfi/index.phtml?p=r&r=game |
| 01:53:03 | Hellaenergy | ibot: search zfi for game |
| 01:55:55 | wParam | ok... I need to see the source for the 'light and power' settings applet from qt. Does anyone have a clue they could give me on where to look for this? |
| 01:56:06 | kergoth | its not from 'qt' |
| 01:56:10 | kergoth | its from qtopia or opie |
| 01:56:30 | wParam | ok, fair enough. |
| 01:56:43 | kergoth | qtopia cvs (though lacking a number of sharp improvements that are in the one on the sharp rom), is at qpe.sf.net |
| 01:56:47 | treke|laptop | you can get it from opie.handhelds.org or qpe.sf.net |
| 01:56:53 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:56:55 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 01:56:59 | wParam | aah. thanks much |
| 01:58:53 | treke|laptop | the opie version is a bit more feature ful :) |
| 01:59:15 | ljp | a bit?? |
| 01:59:17 | kergoth | doesnt it also depend on opie specific features in both the launcher and in libopie? |
| 01:59:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:59:24 | kergoth | i doubt thats what he's looking for |
| 01:59:25 | kergoth | but who knows |
| 01:59:29 | treke|laptop | probably |
| 02:00:15 | wParam | basically i need code to a) disable suspend while my app is running and b) set the frontlight timeouts to prevent it from coming back on when i hit 'next' after a minute has gone by |
| 02:00:27 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 02:00:36 | ljp | QCop |
| 02:20:30 | DaWorm | mmm..that new qtopiadesktop is nice |
| 02:20:35 | DaWorm | that feeds thing is great |
| 02:20:48 | treke|laptop | its an improvement |
| 02:20:55 | treke|laptop | wouldnt go as far as to call it nice :) |
| 02:21:05 | DaWorm | well that's true |
| 02:21:12 | DaWorm | no big changes really |
| 02:21:51 | treke|laptop | the plug in system is nice |
| 02:22:51 | Aimio | anyone in? |
| 02:23:35 | treke|laptop | well a nice addition |
| 02:24:12 | ljp | I havent tried it yet |
| 02:24:59 | treke|laptop | an opie-todo plugin would be nice :) |
| 02:25:04 | br33zy | what exactly does qcop do? |
| 02:25:14 | | snipah was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 5 hours, 2 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: sup! [Fri Oct 25 15:22:18 2002] |
| 02:25:14 | br33zy | ibot seen snipah |
| 02:25:20 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 4 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: jason: you know - i had this nick name before this stuf happened [Wed Oct 23 14:42:27 2002] |
| 02:25:20 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 02:30:18 | ljp | qcop is a way for apps to communicate to each other.. sort of like qdom |
| 02:31:59 | mark | or dcop |
| 02:32:49 | ljp | heh ya something like that |
| 02:36:29 | mark | why am i up at 20 to 4am ? |
| 02:36:48 | ljp | hmm your not.. its only 20 till 8 |
| 02:36:53 | ljp | :D |
| 02:36:54 | wParam | because the little hours are the best? |
| 02:36:57 | DaWorm | is it ok to have gcc 2.95 running along gcc 3.2 or rh 8? |
| 02:37:09 | treke|laptop | DaWorm: yes |
| 02:37:41 | treke|laptop | DaWorm: your probably better off using 3.2 when you can though |
| 02:38:39 | DaWorm | yeah, but qtopia sdk seem to can't compile to x86 on 3.2, just arm though.. |
| 02:39:13 | treke|laptop | right. because your arm compiler is probably 2.95 |
| 02:40:04 | DaWorm | ahh..that's why i get a make error on x86 |
| 02:43:44 | NeoTron | mark: yes? |
| 02:44:44 | benmeyer | Saw Apollo13 in IMAX |
| 02:44:46 | benmeyer | very cool |
| 02:45:12 | ljp | on your Z? |
| 02:45:14 | ljp | :D |
| 02:45:24 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:45:47 | treke|laptop | wonders when his opie source download will be done |
| 02:46:15 | treke|laptop | for some reason its been going for 2 hours |
| 02:46:23 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:46:34 | treke|laptop | 802.11 is slow, but it aint that slow :) |
| 03:02:26 | chouimat|tv | hi Cloudchaser |
| 03:02:45 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 03:03:23 | wParam | woohoo! successful rom upgrade |
| 03:04:00 | DaWorm | congrats :D |
| 03:04:10 | wParam | no more stupid double-reboot of death |
| 03:04:16 | benmeyer | haha |
| 03:04:23 | _NiN_ | I've never had a bad rom upgrade (knock on wood) |
| 03:04:27 | wParam | has protection in the rom now |
| 03:10:01 | anselor|home | i know this is off topic; but i know you guys like gadgets, have any of you gotten one of the new sprint vision phones? |
| 03:10:18 | DaWorm | the one by handspring? |
| 03:10:36 | anselor|home | no, the sprint vision phones |
| 03:10:46 | anselor|home | like the samsung A500 |
| 03:12:05 | DaWorm | ohhh my wife has that, although its a different model name in asia |
| 03:12:11 | DaWorm | i think its t100 over here |
| 03:13:11 | anselor|home | ah, i see |
| 03:13:35 | anselor|home | what're the chances of using the sprint data capabilities with the Z? |
| 03:15:32 | DaWorm | dunno...i use wifi |
| 03:15:49 | anselor|home | yeah, but i'm not always in a wifi area |
| 03:17:07 | anselor|home | i'm trying to build a portable power supply with swappable plugs. I found a plug to fit the Zaurus, any idea where one can get the DC plug for the A500? |
| 03:24:22 | boog_z | man the z can suck some power when chatting on it |
| 03:24:46 | _NiN_ | especially with a wireless card |
| 03:25:05 | boog_z | that's what I'm finding |
| 03:25:34 | boog_z | a modem would prolly be as bad? |
| 03:26:00 | myuu | what zaurus distros run debian? |
| 03:26:07 | _NiN_ | maybe... a extra battery would be nice |
| 03:26:11 | boog_z | planning on doing some traveling soon and on getting a modem for it |
| 03:26:35 | boog_z | can't do without me 'net |
| 03:27:20 | boog_z | I wonder how much an extra battwrey qould be |
| 03:27:32 | boog_z | and a car charger |
| 03:27:44 | boog_z | battery |
| 03:28:41 | benmeyer | ah margarita.... |
| 03:29:52 | anselor|home | boog_z: you should build what i'm building. |
| 03:30:15 | benmeyer | Anyone looking for a new laptop? |
| 03:30:20 | benmeyer | I have one to sell |
| 03:30:35 | tux_mike | i doubt its the one i want |
| 03:30:45 | anselor|home | benmeyer: what kind? |
| 03:30:46 | benmeyer | eh , new Sharp, ultra thin |
| 03:30:58 | anselor|home | benmeyer: r505? |
| 03:30:59 | tux_mike | why don't you want it? |
| 03:31:04 | benmeyer | UM-10 |
| 03:31:05 | myuu | how much? |
| 03:31:10 | benmeyer | Doesn't have DVD support |
| 03:31:20 | benmeyer | I want a laptop with a dvd drive |
| 03:31:22 | tux_mike | then get an external drive |
| 03:31:25 | tux_mike | iesh |
| 03:31:34 | benmeyer | I don't want an externel drive |
| 03:31:37 | myuu | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1391774577&rd=1 |
| 03:31:37 | tux_mike | my next laptop don't have a drive. |
| 03:31:40 | myuu | chekc that out |
| 03:31:43 | anselor|home | tux_mike: ruins the point of a superslim laptop |
| 03:31:44 | benmeyer | the point of having a laptop is not to carry things around with it |
| 03:31:54 | tux_mike | anselor: no it doesn't |
| 03:32:04 | tux_mike | it gives you flexibility |
| 03:32:04 | benmeyer | Reatials 1300 or so, but willing to sell for 1000 |
| 03:32:15 | boog_z | that's why I got the z :) |
| 03:32:39 | treke|home | or get a laptop with a removable drive :) |
| 03:32:43 | tux_mike | i can carry my laptop and accessories with it, if i need them, or just the laptop if i want to go light |
| 03:32:51 | tux_mike | still too big. |
| 03:32:53 | tux_mike | i want small |
| 03:32:57 | benmeyer | Well the UM-10 is really thin, no built in drives |
| 03:33:01 | anselor|home | boog_z: power regulator, regulates to 5V, all you need is 2 10 microfarad capacitors and some batteries: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/productfolder.jhtml?genericPartNumber=UCC283-5 |
| 03:33:07 | benmeyer | 1/2 inch thick or something |
| 03:33:20 | benmeyer | the thickness of a pcmcia slot |
| 03:33:25 | boog_z | the z and accories can go in pockets |
| 03:33:32 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: ! |
| 03:33:36 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: network setup don't compile |
| 03:33:43 | benmeyer | bummer |
| 03:33:45 | TheMasterMind1 | arm-linux-g++ -c -I/zaurus/buildroot/build/qt-2.3.4-beta2/include -pipe -DQT_QWS_EBX -DQT_QWS_CUSTOM -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -Wall -W -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fPIC -I/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include -I/zaurus/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include/freetype2 -fpermissive -I/zaurus/buildroot/build/opie/include -I.. -I../interfaces -o wlanimp.o wl |
| 03:33:46 | TheMasterMind1 | In file included from wlanimp.cpp:20: |
| 03:33:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ../interfaces/interfacesetupimp.h:4: interfacesetup.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:33:47 | benmeyer | put error in LOG |
| 03:33:47 | TheMasterMind1 | bummer indeed |
| 03:33:50 | benmeyer | i mean TODO |
| 03:33:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:34:00 | tux_mike | ben: if i had the cash, i'd prolly but it off you, but since i just lost my job and all, i kinda cant :) |
| 03:34:04 | benmeyer | go into the interfaces dir and compile it first |
| 03:34:32 | treke|home | tux_mike: suckage |
| 03:34:39 | benmeyer | the lib needs to be compiled before the app can be |
| 03:34:40 | boog_z | thanks anselor |
| 03:35:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 03:35:43 | anselor|home | boog_z: you can get up to 3 free samples from TI, all you need is to create an account with them. |
| 03:35:50 | tux_mike | http://www.dynamism.com/mv1/index.shtml would you rather have this, ben?' |
| 03:36:02 | benmeyer | http://magiconf.sheflug.co.uk/ |
| 03:36:21 | boog_z | cool |
| 03:36:27 | benmeyer | yup |
| 03:36:50 | benmeyer | My work machine is a ar50 wich has intigrated dvd |
| 03:37:09 | benmeyer | I like it |
| 03:37:17 | tux_mike | http://www.dynamism.com/libretto/index.shtml <- my baby |
| 03:37:18 | anselor|home | boog_z: yep. i'm making my setup modular with detachable plugs and battery modules and stuff, i'll post what i do when i get my regulator tomorrow. |
| 03:37:33 | benmeyer | kergoth: the makefile needs to be changed |
| 03:37:33 | ljp | TheMasterMind1: you need to reconfigure opie |
| 03:37:35 | boog_z | cool |
| 03:37:41 | kergoth | benmeyer: what makefile? |
| 03:37:42 | benmeyer | interfaces needs to be compiled before network setup |
| 03:37:44 | ljp | I changed that makefile |
| 03:37:46 | kergoth | ljp already pushed that |
| 03:37:46 | benmeyer | ok |
| 03:37:49 | ljp | it compiles fine npw |
| 03:37:54 | kergoth | afaict from the cvs logs |
| 03:37:55 | kergoth | good |
| 03:37:56 | ljp | nnow |
| 03:37:57 | boog_z | it isnt gonna be big and bulky is it? |
| 03:38:17 | benmeyer | eh, I don't need anything powerfull |
| 03:38:23 | benmeyer | anything over 500Mhz is fine with me |
| 03:38:43 | benmeyer | the only problem is that if you want any decent battery or screen you ahve to get the "latest" |
| 03:38:52 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: the oz buildroot runs ./configure everytime |
| 03:39:05 | tux_mike | anything functioning is fine by me, but i'd rather have the libretto :) |
| 03:39:26 | tux_mike | ben: not so true. my friend bought a satellite 5105 and it has 1hr battery life. |
| 03:39:47 | tux_mike | of course it's a P4 1.6ghz with a geforce 4 video card :) |
| 03:40:02 | benmeyer | haha |
| 03:40:15 | benmeyer | My Sharp AR50 has ~13 hour batterly life |
| 03:40:36 | tux_mike | the libretto has about the same, with the ext battery |
| 03:40:39 | benmeyer | plane rides to California even with layover will run on 1 charge |
| 03:40:49 | tux_mike | i call the battery on his 5105 a built in UPS :) |
| 03:41:18 | benmeyer | http://magiconf.sheflug.co.uk/API/USBConfigHandler.html |
| 03:41:22 | benmeyer | USB does have config! |
| 03:42:14 | tux_mike | does your AR50 have built in wifi? |
| 03:43:30 | benmeyer | nope |
| 03:43:41 | benmeyer | but pcmcia solved that |
| 03:43:54 | benmeyer | and either way I like that sense I can put in the socket with its really good battery life |
| 03:44:13 | tux_mike | bah :) |
| 03:44:21 | tux_mike | http://www.dynamism.com/mm1/main.shtml how rare! |
| 03:44:45 | benmeyer | and don't have to worry if the build in crap is supported under linux |
| 03:45:02 | tux_mike | ah, but it is supported in linux on all the toshibas |
| 03:45:20 | tux_mike | and it's so convineint not to have a big bulky antenna to break |
| 03:45:23 | benmeyer | yah totally depends on the manufacture |
| 03:45:32 | benmeyer | bulky aantenna? |
| 03:45:38 | benmeyer | socket is maybe 1/2 inch |
| 03:45:40 | tux_mike | yah, sticking out of the side |
| 03:45:52 | tux_mike | it's like an inch on most cards |
| 03:46:02 | benmeyer | isn't like the stupid phone dongles |
| 03:46:03 | tux_mike | and the smaller the antenna the shittier the range |
| 03:46:10 | benmeyer | ? |
| 03:46:12 | benmeyer | how so? |
| 03:46:20 | benmeyer | I have done plenty of tests |
| 03:46:26 | benmeyer | they ALL get about the same |
| 03:46:27 | tux_mike | actually, it can be, i've seen many broken when the laptop is flipped over |
| 03:46:42 | benmeyer | flipped on their side? |
| 03:46:47 | tux_mike | hrm... well, buit in usually have better antennas in the screen. |
| 03:46:58 | benmeyer | eh, anyway... |
| 03:47:06 | tux_mike | yah, or back. i broke one that way :) |
| 03:48:31 | tux_mike | http://www.msnbc.com/news/825454.asp?0bl=-0 i need to get one of these suckers for my sis for xmas. |
| 03:48:36 | tux_mike | i hope i get a job in time |
| 03:54:56 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a white russian |
| 03:54:57 | Sugar | pours coffee liqueur and vodka in an old-fashioned glass over ice cubes and fill with milk and serves it to kergoth. |
| 03:55:38 | benmeyer | just finished his third strawberry margaritta |
| 03:56:49 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:56:52 | kergoth | i'm out of rum |
| 03:56:53 | kergoth | !! |
| 03:57:02 | benmeyer | almost out of rum, will have to get more |
| 03:57:04 | kergoth | i hate being out of the essentials |
| 03:57:09 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 03:57:17 | benmeyer | plenty of vadka, but I prefur rum I have found |
| 03:57:43 | kergoth | i could never decide. i like just about everything other than beer |
| 03:57:50 | Cloudchaser | :) lol |
| 03:57:53 | kergoth | vodka, rum, whiskey, brandy/cognac, etc |
| 03:57:55 | kergoth | all good |
| 03:58:11 | benmeyer | yah, I really don't have a taste for beer, not that I don't mind it from time to time, but not by choice |
| 03:58:17 | kergoth | hey prpplague, found some good beer on barbados? |
| 03:58:41 | prpplague | kergoth: yep, its called Banks "the beer of barbados!" |
| 03:58:48 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:58:49 | benmeyer | course if you are looking to really get wasted and are willing to ignore taste homemade beer can be the stongest stuff... |
| 03:58:49 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:59:01 | kergoth | hah, i hate the taste of beer |
| 03:59:19 | kergoth | if i want to get wasted i'll drink a great deal of whiskey, on ice |
| 03:59:31 | prpplague | benmeyer: get you sound good belgian ale, it's supper high alcohol content |
| 04:02:00 | benmeyer | lucky for me I don't have a strong tollerence for licqor, heck even a drink at chilies will get my well buzzed for most of the afternoon |
| 04:02:24 | treke|home | benmeyer: another benefit is that your probably still have a liver |
| 04:02:34 | benmeyer | yup |
| 04:02:50 | benmeyer | only have a drink tops probably once a week so I can never gain a tollerence either |
| 04:03:00 | prpplague | liver whats that? |
| 04:03:10 | kergoth | i've been drinking a fair bit lately |
| 04:03:10 | benmeyer | a bunus side of that is keep my empty callory count down |
| 04:03:13 | kergoth | THANKS DIGI! |
| 04:03:14 | treke|home | a useless organ |
| 04:03:18 | kergoth | smacks his employer |
| 04:03:54 | kergoth | benmeyer: thats always good. i've tried to cut back my soda intake for that very reason |
| 04:04:02 | | prpplague: sorry... |
| 04:04:02 | prpplague | ibot: smack digi |
| 04:04:09 | benmeyer | kergoth: diet soda! |
| 04:04:14 | benmeyer | gods gift to man |
| 04:04:19 | kergoth | benmeyer: diet soda tastes like crap though |
| 04:04:27 | benmeyer | just make sure you brush your teeth |
| 04:04:33 | kergoth | so i drink a lot of juice |
| 04:04:34 | benmeyer | drinking nothing but sugar at that point |
| 04:04:35 | kergoth | and water |
| 04:04:42 | treke|home | amen to water |
| 04:04:47 | benmeyer | yah but juice has even more calleries in most cases |
| 04:04:50 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 04:04:50 | prpplague | ibot: smack digi is <action> grabs an epcx card smacks digi |
| 04:04:55 | | ACTION grabs an epcx card smacks digi |
| 04:04:55 | prpplague | ibot: smack digi |
| 04:04:58 | benmeyer | 10 oranges in 1 cup of orange juice |
| 04:05:15 | | OK, kergoth |
| 04:05:15 | kergoth | ibot: smack digi =~ s/card/card and/ |
| 04:05:20 | | ACTION grabs an epcx card and smacks digi |
| 04:05:20 | kergoth | ibot smack digi |
| 04:05:24 | | prpplague: I forgot smack |
| 04:05:24 | prpplague | ibot: forget smack |
| 04:05:28 | | prpplague: I forgot smack digi |
| 04:05:28 | prpplague | ibot: forget smack digi |
| 04:05:35 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 04:05:35 | prpplague | ibot: smack digi is <action> grabs an epcx card and smacks digi |
| 04:05:39 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:05:41 | kergoth | i just did that |
| 04:05:43 | kergoth | smacks prpplague |
| 04:05:53 | prpplague | sorry wasn't paying attention |
| 04:05:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:05:55 | sig | anyone have the new z? |
| 04:06:08 | kergoth | 'the new z' |
| 04:06:16 | kergoth | the one that probably wont be coming to the US? |
| 04:06:18 | kergoth | or..? |
| 04:06:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:06:55 | treke|home | wants to slap whoever got people to think it was being released in the us |
| 04:09:06 | benmeyer | <cough>medrunkbutcan'tsayanything<cough> |
| 04:09:29 | prpplague | benmeyer: lol |
| 04:11:30 | prpplague | benmeyer: sharp driving you to drink too? |
| 04:11:37 | benmeyer | depends on the day |
| 04:11:45 | benmeyer | depends on how much bad stuff we get |
| 04:11:45 | kergoth | i remember when it depended on the day |
| 04:11:52 | benmeyer | either it is a chillies day or a diner day |
| 04:11:53 | kergoth | now all that depends on the day is *how much* i drink |
| 04:12:16 | prpplague | kergoth: lol |
| 04:12:17 | benmeyer | chillies has the cool blue stuff that rocks me till about 4 |
| 04:12:41 | benmeyer | just need to keep my tollerence high so it will continue |
| 04:14:08 | prpplague | kergoth: (num_of_moron_who_call*management_decisions)*(amount_of_stress/amount_of_pay)=amount_of_beer |
| 04:14:40 | kergoth | aha |
| 04:15:14 | hardwire | hmm |
| 04:15:21 | hardwire | is it spelled cellanoid? |
| 04:15:28 | kergoth | dunno |
| 04:15:36 | hardwire | needs to buy lots of them |
| 04:15:36 | kergoth | that doesnt look right |
| 04:15:37 | hardwire | heh |
| 04:16:00 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: hmmm nice equation :) |
| 04:16:10 | kergoth | i want to graph that equation |
| 04:17:07 | kergoth | hmm. only problem with that equation is, if no morons call then the beer is 0.. but thats not right, cause even if i dont talk to a moron on the phone, the management are still morons |
| 04:17:10 | chouimat|tv | answer: 12 "24" by month |
| 04:17:11 | kergoth | tweaks it |
| 04:17:41 | chouimat|tv | or 288 beers |
| 04:18:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:19:48 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: the guy nextdoor drink a "12" each days |
| 04:20:16 | benmeyer | shit that is more caleries then I try to have in a day |
| 04:21:17 | chouimat|tv | benmeyer: that explain why I don't have enough water to fill my bathtub :) |
| 04:21:18 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: thanks |
| 04:21:33 | prpplague | reads post about ie-only web sites |
| 04:22:22 | prpplague | whats funny about all that is companies like sci-fi who have web pages that are very oriented towards m$ only software |
| 04:22:30 | chouimat | hmm an open bottle of porto last how many days in a fridge? |
| 04:22:34 | prpplague | who does sci-fi thing visits their sites? |
| 04:22:50 | prpplague | chouimat: not many |
| 04:23:18 | chouimat | prpplague: a week? more? |
| 04:23:59 | prpplague | chouimat: a week imho is pushing it |
| 04:24:26 | chouimat | prpplague: didn't have a beer since thursday |
| 04:24:47 | prpplague | chouimat: i've had way too many since thursday |
| 04:24:56 | prpplague | chouimat: had hell of a night friday |
| 04:25:21 | chouimat | prpplague: but I have a little bottle of vodka (2 once) and some iced tea |
| 04:25:42 | kergoth | mm vodka |
| 04:26:07 | prpplague | chouimat: i got hammer and walked to down town bridgeport, the hookers were out in force, i went to casino and one $250 bajan and got jumped by two guys |
| 04:26:22 | chouimat | prpplague: ouch |
| 04:26:45 | prpplague | chouimat: banged one guys head into a wall, most definelty broke the other guys index finger |
| 04:26:55 | prpplague | chouimat: only tour my shirt a little |
| 04:27:47 | chouimat | prpplague: ok |
| 04:27:52 | kergoth | nick kergoth`zzz |
| 04:27:56 | kergoth`zzz | heh |
| 04:27:58 | kergoth`zzz | later all |
| 04:28:05 | chouimat | night kergoth`zzz |
| 04:28:11 | prpplague | chouimat: anyway on the way back it starts to rain so i stopped on the beach |
| 04:28:15 | prpplague | night kergoth`zzz |
| 04:28:31 | chouimat | hjmmm sex on the beach.... |
| 04:28:50 | benmeyer | very sandy |
| 04:28:59 | benmeyer | fun as hell though |
| 04:29:21 | chouimat | benmeyer: try that when you go skiing :) |
| 04:29:28 | prpplague | chouimat: anyway these two come buy soking wet could see _every_, they sat there and talked for a while and about the time i was about to get somewhere i passed out |
| 04:29:28 | benmeyer | haha |
| 04:29:37 | benmeyer | more like aruba, 80 degrees at night... |
| 04:29:45 | prpplague | chouimat: woke up about 3 hours later with my $250 bajan missing, doh |
| 04:29:54 | chouimat | prpplague: :( |
| 04:30:08 | prpplague | chouimat: fun evening thought lol :) |
| 04:30:16 | benmeyer | paying $200 more for a tiny 200 person hotel compared to the 30 story high rise was worth every penny |
| 04:30:18 | chouimat | benmeyer: Mont Ste-Anne (-10C ) |
| 04:30:31 | prpplague | benmeyer: aruba? |
| 04:30:31 | benmeyer | no children allowed :-D |
| 04:30:35 | benmeyer | My honeymoon |
| 04:30:44 | benmeyer | went to Aruba last May |
| 04:30:55 | jbardin | what is a bajan? |
| 04:31:31 | chouimat | remember his honetmoon.... spend it in an hospital because his (now ex-)wife did a pneumonia |
| 04:31:57 | prpplague | jbardin: thats the term for someone or something from barbados |
| 04:32:32 | chouimat | prpplague: whore? |
| 04:33:00 | prpplague | chouimat: what? |
| 04:33:04 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 04:33:11 | chouimat | prpplague: nothing, forget it :) |
| 04:33:18 | prpplague | chouimat: sorry lack of sleep |
| 04:33:30 | jbardin | yea so are tellin us the story of you getting drunk and buying a whore to only pass out on here at the beach? |
| 04:33:42 | chouimat | prpplague: me too, got about 2hrs last night and those before ... |
| 04:33:58 | chouimat | jbardin: hahaha |
| 04:33:59 | prpplague | jbardin: no didn't buy a hooker, these were to british chicks on holiday |
| 04:34:11 | jbardin | hmmmm |
| 04:34:17 | jbardin | but you were drunk right? |
| 04:34:33 | prpplague | jbardin: uh, ya |
| 04:34:46 | jbardin | sweet |
| 04:35:49 | prpplague | anyone besides me think the new "butterfly man" logo for pmsn is actually ballamer dressed up? |
| 04:35:52 | jbardin | www.haruya.info/whitejam/file/almoscicus.mpg narcoleptic kitten |
| 04:36:32 | chouimat | remembers the last time he got 2 chicks when he was drunks ... wait I don't REMEEMBER that night but those 2 chicks did..... chouimat runs for the videotape .... |
| 04:37:12 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:37:34 | chouimat | prpplague: and my brother too, he was trying to sleep in the next room :) |
| 04:37:40 | prpplague | rofl |
| 04:37:55 | chouimat | prpplague: never again :) |
| 04:39:15 | prpplague | waits for dat tape backup to finish |
| 04:39:26 | benmeyer | ah shit, headache is coming on |
| 04:39:34 | benmeyer | gets more drink |
| 04:40:17 | hardwire | Robotic Sausages that can roll and beep. |
| 04:40:20 | chouimat | hmmm cheese and porto |
| 04:40:32 | | I own seven-eighths of all the artists in downtown Burbank! |
| 04:40:32 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 04:42:52 | | Isn't this my STOP?! |
| 04:42:52 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 04:42:55 | | Now my EMOTIONAL RESOURCES are heavily committed to 23% of the SMELTING and REFINING industry of the state of NEVADA!! |
| 04:42:55 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 04:45:10 | jmhodges | rofl nice mpg |
| 04:45:27 | benmeyer | heads to bed |
| 04:45:31 | benmeyer | see you all tomarrow |
| 05:05:15 | anggarda | anyone knows a list of tested sd cards? |
| 05:06:08 | | prpplague: what? |
| 05:06:08 | prpplague | ibot: support cards |
| 05:06:18 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 05:06:18 | prpplague | ibot: supported cards |
| 05:06:27 | | prpplague: huh? |
| 05:06:27 | prpplague | ibot: zaurus faq |
| 05:10:05 | anggarda | prpplague, ahh...its alright..I'll check out the faq. |
| 05:11:52 | prpplague | anggarda: ya there is a list, but i don't have it bookmarked |
| 05:12:04 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 05:12:04 | prpplague | ibot: sd cards |
| 05:12:11 | | ACTION commits suicide, leaving a great deal of blood and brains on the wall. Now you clean this up mister! |
| 05:12:11 | prpplague | ibot: shoot yourself |
| 05:12:22 | anggarda | lol... |
| 05:12:45 | anggarda | prpplague, you're european? |
| 05:13:30 | prpplague | anggarda: nope, good ol yank from the US |
| 05:14:16 | anggarda | sorry got it wrong.. |
| 05:14:56 | anggarda | I remember seeing in a list of sd cards once, some guy got a 512 card working, true? |
| 05:15:23 | myuu | is there any possible way i can get opera w/o reinstalling the zaurus rom? |
| 05:15:51 | anggarda | myuu, I don't think so. |
| 05:17:17 | myuu | any other browsers, then, besides that, konqueror and links? |
| 05:18:17 | anggarda | myuu, not that I know off either. |
| 05:18:41 | myuu | *sigh* |
| 05:20:00 | anggarda | I would love for phoenix to be ported to ipkg. |
| 05:20:53 | myuu | ya... |
| 05:24:57 | treke|home | phoenix? Why would you want something that bloated? |
| 05:25:28 | anggarda | treke|home, its not as bloated as you think. |
| 05:25:42 | anggarda | I thought that it was bloated too. |
| 05:25:45 | treke|home | anggarda: Its still pretty bad |
| 05:26:40 | anggarda | treke|home, compared to? |
| 05:26:53 | treke|home | anggarda: Opera. Konqueror embedded |
| 05:27:30 | anggarda | hmm...opera is commercial, konqueror is too dependent on libs. |
| 05:27:46 | myuu | well moz was ported |
| 05:28:14 | treke|home | anggarda: konqueror is about 3 megs after all is said and done |
| 05:28:21 | treke|home | myuu: when? |
| 05:28:27 | anggarda | I think zaurus zone needs a revamp. |
| 05:28:35 | myuu | its for X |
| 05:28:54 | treke|home | myuu: thats not a port :) thats just being compiled for arm |
| 05:29:02 | anggarda | The mozilla engine is about 3 mb not konquerer. |
| 05:29:12 | myuu | lol |
| 05:29:14 | myuu | tru |
| 05:29:27 | treke|home | anggarda: Konquerer compiled and running is roughly 3 megs. |
| 05:29:44 | anggarda | On the Z? |
| 05:29:47 | treke|home | anggarda: yes |
| 05:29:48 | prpplague | treke|home: is that stripped? |
| 05:30:02 | treke|home | prpplague: Probably |
| 05:30:19 | anggarda | Kinda hard to believe.. |
| 05:30:29 | treke|home | anggarda: go download it and see |
| 05:31:35 | myuu | konqueror for the z is actually pretty decent |
| 05:41:22 | TheMasterMind1 | dajoker is working on mozilla for the Z |
| 05:41:36 | treke|home | cool |
| 05:41:59 | treke|home | would be cool to have a qt based version anyhow |
| 05:42:01 | TheMasterMind1 | for opie more specifically |
| 05:42:07 | TheMasterMind1 | mozilla on X would be easy |
| 05:42:12 | treke|home | that way those kde people dont need gtk for it :) |
| 05:42:20 | TheMasterMind1 | mozilla-qt already exists, just needs to be ported to qte |
| 05:42:28 | TheMasterMind1 | the main problem is with the fonts code |
| 05:42:41 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: Is that just a frontend or a port of gecko to gtk? |
| 05:42:44 | treke|home | er qt |
| 05:43:04 | TheMasterMind1 | its a port of mozilla to qt |
| 05:43:23 | TheMasterMind1 | the really cool thing would be phoenix on the Z |
| 05:43:29 | TheMasterMind1 | mozilla is quite bloated |
| 05:43:52 | treke|home | phoenix isnt that much less bloated, it is oddly faster though |
| 05:44:08 | treke|home | wonders how they did it |
| 05:48:31 | TheMasterMind1 | its quite less bloated |
| 05:48:36 | TheMasterMind1 | 66meg vs 9meg |
| 05:48:41 | Lurkan | ¿alguien habla español? :) |
| 05:48:57 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, the 66 was with plugins |
| 05:49:01 | TheMasterMind1 | 22meg vs 9meg |
| 05:49:04 | TheMasterMind1 | still not bad |
| 05:49:14 | TheMasterMind1 | Lurkan: si, un poco |
| 05:49:41 | TheMasterMind1 | qué pasa |
| 05:49:46 | Lurkan | :) |
| 05:50:06 | Lurkan | no solo que me dijeran si en realidad vale la pena comprar una zaurus |
| 05:50:26 | Lurkan | en mexico no las venden y estaba penssando comprar una por amazon |
| 05:50:44 | Lurkan | y pues saber opiniones |
| 05:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | me encanta mi zaurus |
| 05:51:15 | Lurkan | :) |
| 05:51:18 | Lurkan | de donde eres |
| 05:51:24 | TheMasterMind1 | virginia, usa |
| 05:51:31 | TheMasterMind1 | viste http://mizaurus.com/ ? |
| 05:51:55 | Lurkan | mm si |
| 05:52:58 | Lurkan | es facil utilizar el teclado integrado |
| 05:53:01 | Lurkan | es facil utilizar el teclado integrado? |
| 05:53:20 | TheMasterMind1 | sabes mucho de linux? |
| 05:53:38 | Lurkan | pues si, algo. |
| 05:53:55 | TheMasterMind1 | el teclado es fantastico |
| 05:54:22 | Lurkan | :) |
| 05:54:52 | anggarda | prpplague. is this the page? http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml |
| 05:55:15 | TheMasterMind1 | es facil utilizarlo con los plugares |
| 05:55:23 | TheMasterMind1 | pulgares |
| 05:55:51 | Lurkan | ok |
| 05:56:12 | TheMasterMind1 | oof. tengo escuela mañana |
| 05:56:17 | TheMasterMind1 | tengo que dormir |
| 05:56:22 | Lurkan | existe algun emulador de zaurus para linux, no he visto ninguno |
| 05:56:24 | DaWorm | hehehe..tungsten w seems to have used the same directional button used in the Z |
| 05:56:32 | Lurkan | bueno mil gracias que descances |
| 05:56:58 | br33zy | ok |
| 05:57:05 | br33zy | wcf12 type 1 compat flash card will work with my zaurus |
| 05:57:06 | br33zy | right? |
| 05:57:09 | br33zy | im about to order it |
| 05:57:23 | br33zy | TheMasterMind1: it will work right? |
| 05:57:44 | DaWorm | hopefully :D |
| 05:57:57 | br33zy | heh |
| 05:57:57 | TheMasterMind1 | br33zy: yea, itll work |
| 05:57:59 | br33zy | good way to put it |
| 05:58:01 | br33zy | ok |
| 05:58:02 | br33zy | great |
| 05:58:04 | br33zy | im ordering |
| 05:58:05 | br33zy | brb |
| 06:08:03 | trekelopieirc | oops. actually hit 0 power :) |
| 06:08:30 | _NiN_ | I've had that happen plenty of times |
| 06:09:50 | trekelopieirc | i'm usually not far from ac that long |
| 06:09:54 | prpplague | anyone here know that dell is suppose to be introducing a pda? |
| 06:10:32 | trekelopieirc | heard jasonnj mention it |
| 06:10:48 | trekelopieirc | got any details? |
| 06:12:15 | prpplague | trekelopieirc: naw, jsut a mention on one of the pda sites |
| 06:13:19 | trekelopieirc | probably just rebadging something already out there |
| 06:13:40 | trekelopieirc | kinda like the audiovox ppc |
| 06:14:59 | prpplague | probably |
| 06:15:38 | trekelopieirc | not like any of the ppcs are that different |
| 06:16:37 | trekelopieirc | looks like acer is maki ng the units |
| 06:20:45 | prpplague | trekelopieirc: you find some more info? |
| 06:21:31 | trekelopieirc | google is your friend :) |
| 06:22:05 | prpplague | trekelopieirc: ohh so true |
| 06:49:03 | Saurian | Anyone awake? }:) |
| 06:49:15 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 06:49:24 | oGMo | yeah |
| 06:49:28 | oGMo | those new palm units suck badly |
| 06:49:36 | DaWorm | tungsten? |
| 06:49:36 | oGMo | price/performance is just terrible |
| 06:49:39 | oGMo | yeah |
| 06:49:57 | oGMo | "pay lots of money! for less! what a deal..." |
| 06:50:01 | DaWorm | that tungsten w even had a similar directional button of the zaurus |
| 06:50:02 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:50:43 | oGMo | sharp invented the whole slideout thing with zaurus ... and i don't care they ripped that off.. but the specs... geez, terrible |
| 06:51:08 | DaWorm | theyre supposed to be arm devices right |
| 06:51:11 | DaWorm | running os5 |
| 06:51:30 | oGMo | yeah, and who wants palmOS anyway, blah |
| 06:51:49 | oGMo | DaWorm: according to one slashdot post they run 68k apps in emulation mode |
| 06:51:55 | oGMo | so it's basically pointless |
| 06:52:01 | DaWorm | urrkkk |
| 06:52:37 | oGMo | i'm just amazed they'd come out with something with such shitty specs |
| 06:52:39 | trekelopieirc | palm os makes a good organizer |
| 06:53:21 | oGMo | i don't recall it being _any_ better than qtopia... much more limited in some respects |
| 06:53:31 | trekelopieirc | why does that amaze you? their target audience is happy with a 33mhzdragonball |
| 06:53:41 | oGMo | last i checked the filing system was just about the same as the Z's documents tab too |
| 06:54:48 | trekelopieirc | i'd say the palm implementation is better than the current z as a pda |
| 06:55:05 | oGMo | trekelopieirc: few resources for a decent, useful device is one thing... wasting lots of money on something little or no better with fairly crappy hardware that's way above the price of the "high-end" pda's amazes me, because it's the opposite of what made palm successful in the first place |
| 06:55:14 | oGMo | eh |
| 06:55:16 | trekelopieirc | it doesnt blow the z out of the water, but is better |
| 06:55:22 | oGMo | i wouldn't... i had a palm for awhile |
| 06:55:33 | oGMo | trekelopieirc: better? how? |
| 06:55:55 | oGMo | everything i've experienced is exactly the opposite |
| 06:56:17 | oGMo | not to mention the palm community is worse than the windows community when it comes to free software ;) |
| 06:56:45 | trekelopieirc | off the top of my head? better note editor. the titles of notes stay up to date with contents. |
| 06:57:03 | oGMo | note editor? |
| 06:57:12 | trekelopieirc | addresz book showed more usefull info in the address list |
| 06:57:47 | trekelopieirc | the palm had better search capabilities |
| 06:58:05 | oGMo | i suppose |
| 06:58:20 | oGMo | the z address list could be edited last i checked |
| 06:58:42 | oGMo | global searching on the palm was ok |
| 06:59:11 | oGMo | hrm, maybe not |
| 06:59:33 | trekelopieirc | compared to no searchin on the zaurus |
| 07:00:40 | oGMo | honestly i have yet to have a reason to search... maybe i just keep stuff more organized, but i dunno |
| 07:00:51 | oGMo | the address list _should_ be more configurable, though |
| 07:01:10 | trekelopieirc | yes it should |
| 07:01:17 | oGMo | has the latest opie improved the pim stuff at all? |
| 07:01:23 | trekelopieirc | and it will be tbrough opie |
| 07:01:30 | oGMo | ah ;) |
| 07:01:33 | oGMo | figures |
| 07:01:44 | trekelopieirc | opie has a totally rewrittentodo app |
| 07:01:57 | trekelopieirc | addressbook is being worked on |
| 07:02:12 | oGMo | nice |
| 07:02:40 | oGMo | the only feature i really want for any of them is a non-time calendar event ;) |
| 07:02:50 | oGMo | a la korganizer |
| 07:03:01 | trekelopieirc | todo is a mess right now, but is a significant improvement already |
| 07:03:03 | jbardin | my dog does the strangest shit |
| 07:03:11 | jbardin | i put a bunch of ice cubes in her water bowl |
| 07:03:12 | oGMo | i should check out opie and see how hard to hack it that'd be... not that i have any time |
| 07:03:16 | jbardin | liek pretty much fill it up with cubes |
| 07:03:31 | jbardin | like 5 minutes later there are nealty stacked piles of ice cubes all over the living room |
| 07:03:39 | jbardin | its freaky |
| 07:03:40 | oGMo | jbardin: hehe |
| 07:04:51 | trekelopieirc | ogmo: the pim apps are slowly being redoe to support extra features, particularly sharing data betwen apps |
| 07:04:51 | oGMo | trekelopieirc: but still, those few features might make a $99 palm device one thing... a $500+ one that does less than a Z or iPaq is something else again |
| 07:05:08 | oGMo | trekelopieirc: that's kinda good |
| 07:05:21 | oGMo | hrm |
| 07:07:05 | br33zy | later guys |
| 07:07:06 | br33zy | i gtg nw |
| 07:07:08 | br33zy | now* |
| 07:07:12 | trekelopieirc | whats battery life like? |
| 07:07:50 | trekelopieirc | if its back up to 2 weeks+, i'd say it might be wortn 500:) |
| 07:08:12 | oGMo | heh |
| 07:08:18 | oGMo | it's a pda, not a laptop |
| 07:09:21 | trekelopieirc | thats the point. i shouldnt have to worry about power like i do on my lapop |
| 07:10:37 | trekelopieirc | never thought about battery life on my palm. always checking the level on my ipaq |
| 07:21:48 | jbardin | anyone good with regexp? |
| 07:24:58 | Saurian | What are you trying to match? |
| 07:28:04 | NoRemorse | heya is there a vpn client for zaurus? |
| 07:29:19 | jbardin | its cool i figured it out |
| 07:29:29 | jbardin | trying to get just the large dirs from the output of 'du' |
| 07:29:33 | jbardin | `du` |
| 07:54:13 | NeoTron | is away: sleepo |
| 07:54:20 | NoRemorse | heya is there a vpn client for zaurus? |
| 07:54:26 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 08:03:18 | paq | NoRemorse: yeah, look it up in killefix.de |
| 08:03:19 | paq | er fiz |
| 08:12:14 | smee|h | sigh...how do you draw a circle in gimp? |
| 09:53:00 | NoRemorse | thanks paq |
| 09:58:56 | NoRemorse | paq a search for vpn on killefiz returned no hits |
| 10:00:32 | NoRemorse | I suppose any linux vpn client would be ok huh? |
| 10:16:51 | paq | NoRemorse: there's a vpn kernel module and freeswan userland tools |
| 10:24:06 | NoRemorse | paq under xaurus section on killefiz? |
| 10:25:14 | paq | yeah, somewhere... it should pop up when you punch in (vpn | freeswan) zaurus on google... |
| 10:25:27 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 10:25:40 | paq | say, you know of any utilities to periodically update (hourly or daily) wep keys on AP and clients..? |
| 10:26:16 | NoRemorse | no sorry |
| 10:26:25 | NoRemorse | better idea: dont use wep, use VPN ":) |
| 10:26:57 | NoRemorse | that client is ipsec I just want a sbasic PPTP VPN |
| 10:27:01 | NoRemorse | -s |
| 10:28:14 | kolla | vpn.... grrr |
| 10:28:19 | NoRemorse | ? |
| 10:29:34 | paq | i've got a couple of windoze clients to support.. freeswan client install isn't complicated, but slightly a bother.. |
| 10:29:45 | kolla | vpn - yet another silly obstacle |
| 10:30:11 | NoRemorse | kolla: hehe yet another essential component of rolling out broadband wireless |
| 10:30:13 | paq | kolla - got a better suggestion on what to use? |
| 10:30:36 | kolla | paq: no, but it sucks nevertheless |
| 10:30:43 | Twiun | morning folks |
| 10:31:01 | NoRemorse | catchas |
| 10:31:02 | Twiun | swears at the electricity board... 2 £$*%&£$ hours without power!!! |
| 10:31:13 | kolla | and with all those proprietary variants of vpn... |
| 10:31:20 | paq | yeah.. |
| 10:31:21 | kolla | headbanging |
| 10:31:37 | paq | mornin Twiun |
| 10:32:21 | kolla | cannot put Z online at univ since they use cisco vpn setup |
| 10:32:44 | kolla | so I bring a wlan hub from work when I go there now |
| 10:32:50 | kolla | so much for security |
| 10:34:42 | paq | won't they revoke your network access if they find that out ? =p |
| 10:35:06 | kolla | ofcourse not |
| 10:36:41 | kolla | it's just a hub that only accepts my mac-address anyways |
| 10:37:22 | paq | can be spoofed.. |
| 10:37:31 | kolla | sure |
| 10:37:51 | paq | well, as long as it's away from the windows, etc etc.. |
| 10:37:58 | Wintre | kolla: Bad user! |
| 10:38:15 | kolla | but if you're so close that you can spoof, then why not use the quite open and freely avaible tp-sockets in the wall instead? |
| 10:38:17 | paq | both the trademarked and generic kind of windows! heh |
| 10:38:40 | paq | s/generic/mundane |
| 10:39:10 | kolla | in the middle of the campus.. there are dhcp-enabled sockets everywhere |
| 10:39:39 | paq | ah.. |
| 11:37:46 | Twiun | screams |
| 11:49:51 | datenpunk | hello I have a problem with flushing the sharp rom to openzaurus - am I right here? |
| 11:50:38 | Twiun | datenpunk: #openzaurus is also appropriate :-) |
| 11:50:54 | datenpunk | ok thanks |
| 11:52:06 | Twiun | one thing to note - most of the OZ people are in the US and not upp and awake yet |
| 11:53:00 | Wintre | Can I still find SHARP ROMs for SL-5000s? |
| 11:53:18 | Gfx | Wintre : look on the Sharp developer web site |
| 11:53:32 | Wintre | Which is...? |
| 11:53:45 | Gfx | hold on a sec |
| 11:54:58 | Gfx | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 11:55:03 | Twiun | that's the one ;-) |
| 11:55:22 | Wintre | Excellent, thanks |
| 11:55:26 | Gfx | I wish they had a better URL :) |
| 11:55:58 | Wintre | What's the difference between the 5000 and the 5000D? |
| 11:56:23 | Twiun | the 5000d is the developer edition - different ROM is the difference I think |
| 11:56:29 | Gfx | aren't they the same ? |
| 11:56:39 | Gfx | I just know the 5000D and the 5500 |
| 11:56:58 | Twiun | I think the 5000 just lacked the terminal/fileman apps |
| 11:57:14 | Wintre | asks google, the almighty oracle |
| 11:58:57 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-10-28 08:53:36 | Freenet 0.5 Released | Palm Tungsten Models Reviewed | DivX DVD Players Arrive | Stargate SG-1 Gets A Seventh Season |
| 11:58:57 | Twiun | ibot: slashdot |
| 12:00:37 | Gfx | btw |
| 12:00:46 | Wintre | Given that SHARP doesn't list an SL-5000 ROM, they're probably the same device. |
| 12:00:55 | Gfx | is there any newer version of Konqueror Embedded than the one release on January 27th of 2002 ? |
| 12:01:20 | Gfx | Wintre : the SL 5000 is not for end user, they don't speak about it on the official web sites, only on the developer web site |
| 12:02:49 | Wintre | Gfx: We have a number of the 5000s hanging around here (Trolltech) we're using for testing |
| 12:03:20 | Wintre | Our Qtopia developers are in Australia, though, which is why I'm asking you guys this stuff instead of them ;) |
| 12:03:29 | Gfx | :)) |
| 12:04:41 | Gfx | did you find the ROMs for the 5000 ? |
| 12:08:03 | Wintre | Just for the 5000D |
| 12:08:11 | Wintre | But I doubt the hardware is different |
| 12:08:39 | Twiun | I agree - the only difference will most likely be paint on the case |
| 12:08:40 | Gfx | sincerely I've never heard of any SL-5000 serie, just of the SL-5000D |
| 12:08:50 | Gfx | where does this 5000 come from ? |
| 12:10:07 | Gfx | is that an early version of the 5000D ? |
| 12:10:28 | Wintre | Yep, seems so. |
| 12:25:43 | Toykeeper | I thought the "D" after 5000 meant "developer". |
| 12:25:53 | Toykeeper | Since it was a "developer's prerelease" product. |
| 12:26:02 | Gfx | tha'ts the case |
| 12:26:13 | Twiun | heavily prototypical release ;-) |
| 12:26:16 | Toykeeper | They wanted people to write more Qt programs for it before selling it in stores. |
| 12:26:56 | Wintre | Right. But I wonder if there are substantive differences. I think not |
| 12:27:05 | Toykeeper | In hardware? No. |
| 12:27:21 | Toykeeper | In software? Not really, though I wouldn't know. |
| 12:27:35 | Toykeeper | I replaced the sharp rom after, uh, about 5 minutes. |
| 12:29:41 | Wintre | Heh. With what? |
| 12:30:25 | Twiun | ToyROM! |
| 12:31:14 | Toykeeper | I thought about releasing a ToyROM, actually. |
| 12:31:22 | Toykeeper | Once I get a few things fixed, I might. |
| 12:31:36 | Wintre | struggles mightily with this particular obstinate Zaurus |
| 12:31:38 | Toykeeper | Easy way to give people a working X11 system instead of opie. |
| 12:35:09 | prpplague | Toykeeper: lol, ToyRom? |
| 12:54:55 | Toykeeper | Well, I gave hardwire a copy of my ROM and it made him happy... |
| 12:57:24 | mark | boo all |
| 13:17:43 | prpplague | Toykeeper: lol |
| 13:18:20 | prpplague | Toykeeper: PlagueRom - the OpenZaurus rom version that your dying to get! |
| 13:19:11 | Toykeeper | pestilence... |
| 13:19:37 | Toykeeper | 1: do 1 damage to all non-black creatures and players... |
| 13:19:41 | Toykeeper | Or something like that. |
| 13:19:43 | prpplague | Toykeeper: pestilence - a new frangrance by calvin klein |
| 13:20:39 | Toykeeper | Heh. I think gangrene would make a better cologne. :0 |
| 13:21:17 | prpplague | Toykeeper: pestilence - a fragrance for your ex's when you wish they were dead, at least they can smell that way! |
| 13:22:09 | datenpunk | hello - I need help with flashing a sl-5500G with a PQI 64 MB CF card |
| 13:22:30 | Toykeeper | G? |
| 13:23:30 | datenpunk | G! |
| 13:24:00 | Toykeeper | I'd suggest looking at the roms and flash instructions at openzaurus.sf.net |
| 13:24:18 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 13:24:18 | prpplague | ibot: flash instructions |
| 13:24:29 | | prpplague: huh? |
| 13:24:29 | prpplague | ibot: rom flash |
| 13:25:07 | datenpunk | well I did look at the instructions the problem is mor complicated and seems to have something to do with the PQI card |
| 13:28:03 | datenpunk | I've read one post that the card doesn't seem to work and I just wanted to ask if someone allready used this card for flashing |
| 13:29:42 | Toykeeper | Never used a PQI or heard anything about them (until now). |
| 13:30:08 | Toykeeper | I have some cards by sandisk, canon, and hp. All of those work. |
| 13:30:22 | datenpunk | did you have to reformat them? |
| 13:30:52 | Toykeeper | No. I've left the original FAT-16 filesystem on them. |
| 13:31:17 | Toykeeper | I formatted my MMC card as ext2, though. But that's unrelated. |
| 13:32:29 | datenpunk | that's strange |
| 13:37:54 | Twiun | hiya Cloud |
| 13:38:03 | Cloud | hi twiun |
| 13:38:30 | weissi | are there debian pkgs for qtopia-free, qtopia-desktop, gcc-arm, other zaurus developer stuff? |
| 13:42:47 | Twiun | weissi: no idea... but I believe kergoth (OpenZaurus person) uses debian |
| 13:43:00 | weissi | Twiun: ok thnx |
| 13:43:54 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 13:48:25 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 14:05:15 | mark | hi Cloudchaser_ |
| 14:07:25 | Cloudchaser_ | hiya ;) |
| 14:30:00 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 14:30:49 | Harlekin | hi benmeyer |
| 14:30:54 | Harlekin | benmeyer: you got a bug .-) |
| 14:31:31 | prpplague | benmeyer: or a hangover? |
| 14:31:32 | benmeyer | a bug eh? |
| 14:31:37 | benmeyer | hehe, no hangover |
| 14:31:49 | benmeyer | didn't drink that much |
| 14:31:53 | weissi | I found a bug in Zaurus, if you add <img src="file://proc/sys/pm/suspend"> to a html file and you open it with opera, your zaurus suspends ;-)) |
| 14:32:28 | benmeyer | but I did have an odd dream. I drept that my alarm clock really meant my head was running out of story and by hitting the snoze button it uploaded more story for me to dream |
| 14:33:07 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe |
| 14:35:31 | benmeyer | but it was only 1 way, couldn't copy the story back out for later use |
| 14:35:34 | Twiun | weissi: LOL |
| 14:35:45 | weissi | Twiun: that's a bug, no? |
| 14:35:59 | Twiun | weissi: Dunno... try it on your desktop machine ;-) |
| 14:36:11 | Cloudchaser_ | why would you do that? |
| 14:36:14 | benmeyer | lucky for me a bus was honking its horn at someone and I woke up for real. |
| 14:36:20 | benmeyer | Harlekin: what bug? |
| 14:36:45 | weissi | Twiun: no /proc/sys/pm |
| 14:37:12 | Twiun | hey Jason |
| 14:37:16 | JasonNJ- | morning |
| 14:37:24 | Cloudchaser_ | weissi: why did you do that..originally? |
| 14:37:25 | Harlekin | benmeyer: mantis |
| 14:37:26 | JasonNJ- | left my irc on at home. |
| 14:37:29 | Twiun | hehehe |
| 14:37:49 | JasonNJ- | now my wife gets to see how I goof off at work |
| 14:37:59 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe |
| 14:38:06 | Cloudchaser_ | 'mornin JasonNJ |
| 14:38:06 | weissi | Cloudchaser_: I searched something in files (find / -type f | xargs cat | more) and suddenly my zaurus switch off ;-)) |
| 14:38:17 | weissi | Cloudchaser_: then I searched for the file |
| 14:38:37 | Cloudchaser_ | ah |
| 14:39:47 | weissi | Cloudchaser_: and then I remembered a bug listed in the browser bug list @ heise.de, if you put <img src="file://dev/console"> in a html file and open it with netscape 4.?? your keyboard hangs ;-) |
| 14:39:56 | Cloudchaser_ | JasonNJ-: i'm not sure if you saw what i said yesterday but i'm sorry if i seemed to be giving you a hard time. i didn't mean to and i understand the constraints you work under. and i appreciate your presence here |
| 14:40:16 | JasonNJ- | Cloud: didnt see it, no problem. |
| 14:40:32 | JasonNJ- | and for the record, it bothers me that I cant tell you guys everything even if I want to. |
| 14:40:39 | JasonNJ- | but thats the way things work. |
| 14:40:39 | Cloudchaser_ | i know.. |
| 14:40:47 | Cloudchaser_ | and its not your fault it is the way it is |
| 14:41:02 | Twiun | Group hug ;-) |
| 14:41:13 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe |
| 14:41:23 | JasonNJ- | hugs cloudchaser |
| 14:41:32 | Cloudchaser_ | hugs JasonNJ- |
| 14:41:36 | Cloudchaser_ | aww :) |
| 14:42:10 | Cloudchaser_ | anyway i love my z and want to see it become #1 |
| 14:42:55 | prpplague | i want a z that has a bunch of the SA gpios on an external connector |
| 14:42:59 | Cloudchaser_ | you're our only contacts with sharp that *might* be able to get the points across |
| 14:43:05 | JasonNJ- | cloud: I think #1 is a rediculous aspiration though. The Z is a very purposed machine, I wouldnt want to see it get dumbed down like the palm. |
| 14:43:15 | JasonNJ- | The problem is that the typical end user doesnt need somethign like a Zaurus. |
| 14:43:27 | JasonNJ- | However, corporations DO, and thats the important thing. |
| 14:43:57 | weissi | so, is my /proc/sys/pm/suspend thing a bug and should I send it somewhere, or not? |
| 14:44:02 | Cloudchaser_ | ok well maybe not # 1 but i want to see it live up to its ptential ;) |
| 14:44:15 | Cloudchaser_ | and but for a few things, it does ;) |
| 14:44:35 | JasonNJ- | I think Linux is a good OS for embedded devices, but there needs to be a lot of work done on interface and abstacting the "Linuxness" of the Zaurus OS to really make it palatable as a Palm or Pocket PC replacement. |
| 14:45:01 | JasonNJ- | Corporations with vertical enterprise applications dont care about that stuff though. |
| 14:45:10 | Cloudchaser_ | well really if the ipkg did things exactly right |
| 14:45:16 | JasonNJ- | They want stuff like JVM's ,multitasking, databases, etc |
| 14:45:18 | Cloudchaser_ | a user wouldn't really have to hit the command line |
| 14:45:21 | Cloudchaser_ | right |
| 14:45:40 | Piete | yo JasonNJ :) |
| 14:45:46 | Piete | yo Cloudchaser_ :) |
| 14:45:47 | Cloudchaser_ | maps would be nice too ;) |
| 14:45:51 | Cloudchaser_ | hello Piete |
| 14:45:54 | JasonNJ- | however re your concerns on the hardware side, we took a gamble with the Xscale, jsut like the rest of the industry did |
| 14:45:58 | Twiun | Jason knows just the right buttons to press with Cloudchaser_... databases... yum ;-) |
| 14:46:04 | JasonNJ- | and certianly, after this experience, I think we are a bit wiser |
| 14:46:08 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe i'm working on one now ;) |
| 14:46:55 | Cloudchaser_ | the options for processor are a bit limited for handhelds aren't they? |
| 14:47:24 | Cloudchaser_ | hey can i ask a dumb question? |
| 14:47:44 | Piete | sure, I've got some too |
| 14:47:46 | Piete | :) |
| 14:47:53 | Cloudchaser_ | could you use the embedded os on a pc? |
| 14:48:02 | Cloudchaser_ | like on a subnotebook |
| 14:48:16 | Piete | Cloudchaser_: you mean Linux on a Desktop... hmm, I wonder :P |
| 14:48:22 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe well no |
| 14:48:27 | Toykeeper | Sure, if you've got an arm PC. |
| 14:48:29 | Cloudchaser_ | what i mean is.. its small, fast, instant on |
| 14:48:33 | Piete | Toykeeper: lol |
| 14:48:34 | Cloudchaser_ | touch screen |
| 14:48:46 | Cloudchaser_ | low resources for the most part |
| 14:49:00 | Toykeeper | Corel netwinder? |
| 14:49:05 | Toykeeper | TuxScreen? |
| 14:54:23 | Piete | Toykeeper: intel has one too.. I forgot its name though.. |
| 14:57:00 | Toykeeper | I finally gave my old notebook away after realizing my zaurus was faster and had more memory. |
| 14:57:57 | Toykeeper | Er, it had been sitting in a closet for a year or more anyway, and I found someone who had a zillion uses for it. |
| 14:58:26 | Piete | hehe |
| 14:58:44 | Piete | I have one of those too.. I but I keep it around for email etc.. |
| 14:59:19 | Toykeeper | Well, this was special. Girlfriend was leaving the country, and wanted something to finish writing her book on.. and something to use to keep in touch. :) |
| 14:59:45 | Toykeeper | I have a very recent notebook anyway. |
| 15:03:38 | Wintre | Weird, my wireless card stops working for some reason |
| 15:04:33 | benmeyer | hehe, I kept my 386 laptop around for the longest time |
| 15:04:49 | benmeyer | finally giving it away to someone who promptly broke it |
| 15:04:54 | benmeyer | no loss I guess |
| 15:05:08 | Piete | Wintre: *flips thru BOFH excuse file* The cause of the problem is: |
| 15:05:08 | Piete | network packets travelling uphill (use a carrier pigeon) |
| 15:08:44 | mark | after using a QDirectPainter, then the app quits the FB does not get rewritten with the apps behidn it. what do I need to do? |
| 15:08:58 | Piete | yo mark :) |
| 15:09:19 | mark | heh, hi Piete |
| 15:12:43 | Piete | yo Snipah |
| 15:12:48 | Snipah | hi |
| 15:14:57 | mark | hiya Snipah |
| 15:16:56 | PascalS | Anyone any personal experience with MMC cards? |
| 15:17:54 | PascalS | Are they working just as well as SD cards? |
| 15:19:48 | benmeyer | if [ -z ${ORG_PATH} ] |
| 15:19:56 | benmeyer | In bash what will the -z do in ^ |
| 15:19:57 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:20:06 | benmeyer | if doesn't exists then... |
| 15:20:07 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:20:18 | mark | benmeyer: no idea i'm afraid |
| 15:23:59 | PascalS | benmeyer: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/comparison-ops.html |
| 15:24:24 | PascalS | benmeyer: -z string is "null", that is, has zero length |
| 15:29:19 | PascalS | Um. Why is there a password required for the developer chalenge website? |
| 15:29:20 | PascalS | It wasn't before... |
| 15:30:41 | JasonNJ- | barf |
| 15:30:44 | Twiun | lol |
| 15:31:59 | mark | fun |
| 15:33:08 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:33:19 | benmeyer | hey kergoth |
| 15:33:27 | benmeyer | what does -z do in a bash script? |
| 15:33:38 | kergoth | -z returns true if the following value is NULL |
| 15:33:41 | PascalS | Um benmeyer I just told you. |
| 15:33:50 | kergoth | [ -z "${blah}" ] returns true if "${blah}" is null |
| 15:33:51 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:33:52 | kergoth | he did |
| 15:33:53 | benmeyer | PascalS: ah sorry, missed your post |
| 15:33:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:34:02 | kolla | benmeyer: man test :) |
| 15:34:28 | benmeyer | wtf there really is a man test |
| 15:34:34 | PascalS | kolla: thanks. Didn't know that man page existed |
| 15:34:52 | kergoth | benmeyer: yep, there's a test command. [] just implicitly calls test |
| 15:35:01 | kolla | well |
| 15:35:08 | kolla | the test is built in in bash |
| 15:35:13 | kolla | but mostly compatible |
| 15:35:22 | kergoth | yeap |
| 15:35:40 | kolla | searching for it in bash' manfiles sucks :) |
| 15:35:54 | kergoth | ugh |
| 15:35:57 | kergoth | i hate bash's manpage |
| 15:35:59 | kergoth | i really do |
| 15:36:07 | mark | hmm, QDirectPainter anyone? |
| 15:36:32 | Cariarer | Maybe this is a "stupid" question, but does anyone of you know how to change the keyboard layout? |
| 15:36:33 | ||ugh | kergoth, it's better to have a bad man page then ANY info page... sigh. |
| 15:36:59 | PascalS | I have never been able to make sense of bash(1) or 'help' in bash for that matter |
| 15:37:19 | kolla | man test |
| 15:37:21 | mark | Cariarer: yeah, hack Qt :) |
| 15:37:24 | kolla | /CONDITIONAL EXPRESSIONS |
| 15:37:27 | kolla | ups |
| 15:37:29 | kolla | man bash |
| 15:37:31 | kolla | /CONDITIONAL EXPRESSIONS |
| 15:37:57 | Cariarer | Mark: Heh... so no "official" way of doing it, huh? |
| 15:38:58 | mark | Cariarer: that is the official way afaik :) |
| 15:39:43 | JasonNJ- | morning kergie |
| 15:39:45 | kergoth | Cariarer: there are two places where the keyboard map resides. depends. 1) qt if you're talking within qtopia/opie, 2) kernel if you're talking in pure console. unfortunately the shitty kernel keyboard driver cannot use loadkeys and friends, you'd have to hack the code there as well |
| 15:39:50 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ-, how goes it? |
| 15:40:04 | JasonNJ- | sokay. |
| 15:40:20 | kolla | this reminds me... where did the ctrl go in console mode? |
| 15:40:23 | kergoth | i'm half asleep atm |
| 15:40:27 | kergoth | kolla: its never been there. |
| 15:40:30 | JasonNJ- | I havent had my coffee yet |
| 15:40:33 | kergoth | kolla: since the beginning of the Z. unfortunately |
| 15:40:35 | kergoth | JasonNJ-: nor have i |
| 15:40:42 | kergoth | kolla: blame the shitty keyboard driver |
| 15:40:50 | kolla | kergoth: er..it _used_ to be on the first app key |
| 15:40:55 | JasonNJ- | the daylight savings time thing always screws me up |
| 15:40:57 | kolla | even in OZ |
| 15:41:05 | kolla | but it vanished in one of the prereleases |
| 15:41:06 | Cariarer | *g* I guess I'll have to live with the US keyboard then ;) On another topic: does anyone have expirience with the LwVLC from Zaval? Ker: Cheers! Am still a Linux newbie, but I think I'm adventures enough to pick it apart ;) |
| 15:41:11 | JasonNJ- | it should be friggin abolished |
| 15:41:11 | kolla | no idea when |
| 15:41:13 | JasonNJ- | it makes no sense |
| 15:41:22 | PascalS | I like DST |
| 15:41:37 | kergoth | kolla: ? |
| 15:41:42 | kergoth | kolla: pure console, or embeddedkonsole? |
| 15:41:46 | kolla | pure console |
| 15:41:48 | kergoth | kolla: its *never* worked in console. |
| 15:41:50 | kergoth | period |
| 15:41:54 | kolla | cant be |
| 15:41:56 | kergoth | not since the original rom on the 5000d with no # |
| 15:41:58 | Twiun | Cariarer: Zaval's lightweight Java stuff? |
| 15:41:59 | kergoth | not in 1.02 |
| 15:42:02 | kergoth | not in 1.10/11 |
| 15:42:08 | Cariarer | Twiun: Yupp... |
| 15:42:11 | kergoth | well thats the situation. the keyboard driver sucks |
| 15:42:13 | kergoth | has always sucked |
| 15:42:15 | kolla | well, let me check here and now with sharp rom |
| 15:42:18 | kergoth | will always suck,, until we rewrite it |
| 15:42:36 | PascalS | You just should never ever start a cronjob between 2-3 am on sundays. |
| 15:42:37 | kergoth | thankfully we're already nearly done rewriting the keyboard driver |
| 15:42:42 | Twiun | Cariarer: Got as far as running their demo on the Z, not bad, but really strange design ;-) |
| 15:43:11 | Cariarer | Kergoth: I have the German version (SL-5500G) and and flashed it with the US ROM... works, except for the keyboard layout :) |
| 15:43:44 | kolla | kergoth: with sharp rom.. first app key works as ctrl |
| 15:43:48 | kergoth | Cariarer: yep, gotcha. thats a common situation |
| 15:43:52 | kolla | well |
| 15:43:57 | Cariarer | Twiun: Hmm... I tried the short demo in the tutorial as well (the thing with the add button on it), but the button doesn't work... the same AWT version on the other hand does. |
| 15:44:04 | kolla | at least I can do a first-app+c and get ctrl+c |
| 15:44:14 | kergoth | kolla: hmm thats interesting. this is with qtopia terminated? |
| 15:44:22 | kergoth | kolla: its unfortunate that we cant remap the keys in console |
| 15:44:25 | kergoth | pisses me off |
| 15:44:27 | kolla | it's not a generic ctrl, as first-app+l doesnt work |
| 15:44:45 | kolla | yes, in console.. qtopia terminated |
| 15:44:59 | Twiun | Cariarer: it's probably due to zaval's strange setup - you're going to have to go through their doc with a fine-tooth comb |
| 15:45:10 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 15:45:16 | Twiun | Cariarer: I'd recommend using their demo app as a starter and trimming it down to a button |
| 15:45:33 | kolla | but.. gotta run |
| 15:46:21 | Cariarer | twiun: *g* I wrote to their support, no answer so far (well, it's been only two days)... it works on my Win2K machine though. I'm looking through the other one... |
| 16:19:53 | Piete | yo JasonNJ |
| 16:28:08 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:36:53 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 16:46:11 | Mega_Malain | hi everyone. |
| 16:46:16 | Mega_Malain | just wondering. |
| 16:46:41 | Mega_Malain | Has anyone successfully connect two Zauruses peer-to-peer? |
| 16:47:06 | kergoth | using what? 802.11? BT? |
| 16:47:17 | kergoth | and what do you mean by peer to peer? 802.11 adhoc? |
| 16:47:18 | Mega_Malain | 802.11b. |
| 16:47:31 | Mega_Malain | yes, 802.11 adhoc |
| 16:47:44 | kergoth | should work flawlessly. i havent done it, given that i sold off my second Z |
| 16:47:46 | kergoth | :0 |
| 16:47:50 | kergoth | i'm sure someone has though |
| 16:47:56 | Mega_Malain | i'm sorry to hear that. |
| 16:48:08 | Mega_Malain | I have an ssh daemon set up on one of them. |
| 16:48:22 | Mega_Malain | It can ssh into itself. |
| 16:48:48 | kergoth | can you ping? |
| 16:48:55 | kergoth | start with a rudamentary test, go from there |
| 16:49:21 | Mega_Malain | nope. |
| 16:49:46 | kergoth | then dont bother with ssh |
| 16:49:50 | kergoth | one step at a time |
| 16:49:56 | Mega_Malain | it's weird. Like both can connect to my wifi network at home, but when I set up a subnet between the two...nothing |
| 16:50:00 | Mega_Malain | ok. |
| 16:52:29 | Mega_Malain | kergoth...? |
| 16:58:51 | Mega_Malain | hello...kergoth? |
| 17:01:08 | kergoth | yeah, i'm at work atm, doing what i get paid to do |
| 17:01:13 | kergoth | i've never used adhoc myself |
| 17:02:14 | mark | Mega_Malain: it should 'just work' :/ |
| 17:02:28 | tux_mike | honestly, support technicians shoudl make big bucks |
| 17:16:00 | mark | netsplit galore today |
| 17:16:57 | Twiun | yeah |
| 17:17:12 | Twiun | I hope they finish before tonight |
| 17:17:22 | Twiun | otherwise we won't be able to have any meaningful conversations |
| 17:18:59 | tux_mike | quite |
| 17:22:19 | Mega_Malain | hey, thanks for everything guys. Love you all (in the most nonsexual way possible). Peace and hair grease. |
| 17:26:04 | mark | kergoth: when ur about, does ccache work for arm-linux-*? |
| 17:26:32 | kergoth | mark: yep |
| 17:26:37 | kergoth | seems to anyway |
| 17:26:42 | kergoth | i havent timed the compiles to be certain yet |
| 17:27:36 | mark | kergoth: okay, great. cheers |
| 17:28:13 | mark | heh, my cach size is 1.4G |
| 17:30:02 | kergoth | mark: where does it put the cache btw? |
| 17:38:12 | Cloudchaser_ | hiya everyone |
| 17:38:13 | kergoth | hey cloud |
| 17:38:16 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 17:43:23 | mark | kergoth: ~/.ccache |
| 17:43:40 | Cranch | anyone here using tkcRadio? |
| 17:44:33 | kergoth | mark: ah, thanks |
| 18:03:15 | _ChIcO_ | hey everyone |
| 18:03:31 | _ChIcO_ | a joke |
| 18:03:32 | _ChIcO_ | http://quiz.ravenblack.net/blood.pl?4237465077 |
| 18:04:06 | alp | /kick _ChIcO_ |
| 18:04:35 | _ChIcO_ | eh, your wanting to kick me cos i told you a joke? |
| 18:05:15 | _ChIcO_ | jeez, real friendly channel this is |
| 18:05:15 | alp | me in this and how many other channels? |
| 18:23:26 | Neo|Work | man, Palm isn't giving up on dragonball processors |
| 18:23:35 | benmeyer | nope |
| 18:23:39 | Neo|Work | Tungsten W(ireless I presume) uses it. doh |
| 18:23:49 | benmeyer | more like they arn't giving up on their 10K apps |
| 18:24:14 | Neo|Work | the arm devices should be able to run the apps from the previous devices |
| 18:24:26 | Neo|Work | of course I don't know how fast/slow the emulation is |
| 18:38:02 | oGMo | oooh |
| 18:38:10 | oGMo | heh, i just discovered portabase |
| 18:39:07 | oGMo | er, no ipk...hrm |
| 18:39:43 | Cloudchaser | doesn't have search function yet either |
| 18:39:56 | oGMo | hmm |
| 18:40:28 | Cloudchaser | but it looks like he's still working on it |
| 18:40:37 | Cloudchaser | and it looks nice from the screen shots |
| 18:41:20 | Cloudchaser | i've been working a bit with rekall and i like it so far |
| 18:41:32 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: rekall? |
| 18:41:50 | oGMo | someone should make a shared package of that SQLite or whatever and make that the standard for htis sort of thing |
| 18:41:53 | Cloudchaser | tkcRekall |
| 18:41:56 | oGMo | ah |
| 18:43:52 | Cloudchaser | isn't there a package for sqlite now? |
| 18:44:05 | oGMo | dunno |
| 18:47:31 | oGMo | gah, one thing i liked about konq over moz was the ability to do like gg:search or dict:word etc. |
| 18:47:42 | kergoth | i loved gg: |
| 18:47:48 | oGMo | mozilla's "internet keywords" suck in comparison |
| 18:48:03 | kergoth | agreed |
| 18:48:18 | oGMo | kergoth. how goes it. |
| 18:48:31 | kergoth | oGMo: not too bad, though its monday and i'm at work .. you? |
| 18:48:39 | oGMo | kergoth: same ;) |
| 18:50:18 | | JasonNJ: what? |
| 18:50:18 | JasonNJ | ibot: openzaurus prerelease |
| 18:50:24 | | oz prerelease is, like, http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 18:50:24 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 18:50:40 | oGMo | how's OZ these days? |
| 18:51:10 | oGMo | i heard of some issues a few weeks ago but i never heard specifics and generally chalked it up to newbieness |
| 18:51:41 | kergoth | coming along nicely. working out the final kinks for the 3.0 release |
| 18:51:47 | kergoth | and www.openzaurus.org is coming along well as well |
| 18:52:14 | oGMo | cool |
| 18:52:19 | oGMo | checks it out |
| 18:52:37 | oGMo | nice |
| 18:53:37 | | Cloudchaser was last seen on #zaurus 9 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: isn't there a package for sqlite now? [Mon Oct 28 11:43:52 2002] |
| 18:53:37 | ShawnG | ibot seen Cloudchaser |
| 18:54:50 | Cloudchaser | hiya BigBoss |
| 18:55:18 | BigBoss | hey all |
| 18:55:26 | oGMo | hehe... "How do i get support for OZ?" => "Come bug kergoth on irc" ;) |
| 18:55:58 | oGMo | not exactly but closer than i expected |
| 18:56:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:56:13 | kergoth | does the contact page mention the mailing lists yet? |
| 18:56:17 | kergoth | checks |
| 18:58:57 | oGMo | the opie one yeah |
| 18:59:06 | kergoth | OZ has lists now too |
| 18:59:09 | kergoth | admin, and users |
| 18:59:14 | kergoth | i never announced them :) |
| 18:59:23 | oGMo | hmm, i should try oz again, maybe one of these evenings or the weekend |
| 18:59:34 | oGMo | kergoth: cool |
| 18:59:37 | kergoth | if you do, ask ibot about oz prerelease and test that |
| 18:59:47 | kergoth | or wait for the 3.0 release which is tantalizingly close |
| 18:59:51 | oGMo | more lists to sign up for ;) |
| 18:59:59 | oGMo | kergoth: oh, k |
| 19:03:22 | xml0 | hi bigboss. btw, I didn't get the painter app for some reason |
| 19:04:26 | BigBoss | xml0: not in your cart? |
| 19:04:45 | xml0 | no |
| 19:06:00 | BigBoss | hang on |
| 19:06:09 | kergoth | hey bigboss |
| 19:06:31 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 19:06:50 | BigBoss | i don't understand why mahjongg is unusably slow for you, it's a bit slow for me, but not like coma inducing |
| 19:07:11 | kergoth | lol. its not coma inducing, its just i'm impatient and it drives me nuts |
| 19:07:38 | BigBoss | i've noticed it is slower when the device is short on memory though |
| 19:08:07 | NetAmp | That Patience bug seems to only appear when the game's set to "Turn Three Cards" and not One card |
| 19:08:15 | kergoth | i was testing it on a 40-24 kernel, so there was more memory free than on a stock sharp rom |
| 19:08:25 | Neo|Work | so is there a way to "upgrade" your OZ installation yet or is it all manual package selection still? |
| 19:08:41 | BigBoss | kergoth: very strange |
| 19:09:30 | kergoth | Neo|Work: the main issue atm is a number of ipkg bugs |
| 19:09:45 | kergoth | Neo|Work: andyq may work around them and manually do the upgrade process, but i'm not certain where he stands on that atm |
| 19:09:59 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 19:10:34 | xml0 | anyone recommend a nice clean app with source to use as a template for writing another one? |
| 19:10:59 | benmeyer | iddemo! |
| 19:11:00 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:11:03 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:11:10 | benmeyer | irdemo |
| 19:11:10 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:11:25 | xml0 | you write it perchance? |
| 19:11:28 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 19:11:31 | benmeyer | yah |
| 19:11:37 | benmeyer | tiny little thing |
| 19:11:38 | xml0 | ok ;) |
| 19:11:42 | NetAmp | what does it demo exactly? |
| 19:11:44 | xml0 | tiny is good |
| 19:11:52 | benmeyer | 1 class or something |
| 19:11:58 | benmeyer | to send files via ir |
| 19:12:00 | xml0 | I've got a killer app in mind and would finally like to implement it |
| 19:12:00 | NetAmp | so size does matter |
| 19:12:02 | NetAmp | but |
| 19:12:09 | tux_mike | crap on a stick |
| 19:12:11 | NetAmp | what does it demo between |
| 19:12:20 | NetAmp | you need two Z's for the demo? |
| 19:12:21 | Aimio | xml0: what does it d? |
| 19:12:22 | tux_mike | i lost my list of modes for my mouse mod |
| 19:12:23 | benmeyer | yah |
| 19:12:30 | benmeyer | or at least 2 ir devices |
| 19:12:54 | NetAmp | hm cool :) |
| 19:13:11 | Aimio | Is there a IR remote control proggy avail? |
| 19:13:14 | xml0 | aimio: it's a different approach to recording data |
| 19:13:32 | NetAmp | Aimio> there is, but the IR emitter isn't that strong |
| 19:13:48 | NetAmp | Aimio> so you'd have to be pretty close to your TV ;) |
| 19:13:56 | Aimio | work within 6 feet / 1 & 1/2 metres? |
| 19:14:09 | ljp_work | a few inches |
| 19:14:27 | Aimio | doh |
| 19:15:05 | _OzzY_ | hey all |
| 19:15:18 | Aimio | lo |
| 19:15:22 | _OzzY_ | I'm having a few problems installing the sync software for my zaurus, could someone help me? |
| 19:15:33 | Aimio | linux sync? |
| 19:15:53 | _OzzY_ | no win XP *shudders* |
| 19:15:57 | Aimio | ic |
| 19:16:20 | Aimio | the cd worked 4 me, whats the problem? |
| 19:16:25 | NetAmp | 's on Win XP too :P |
| 19:16:46 | _OzzY_ | I seem to be having USB problems. Could it be that my PSU doesn't have enough juice to power everything and USB is the first to lose out? |
| 19:17:10 | Aimio | installed the usb driver as well as the sync? |
| 19:17:38 | _OzzY_ | I choose to instrall qtopia as I don't use outlook at home |
| 19:17:58 | _OzzY_ | when it gets to the plug in the usb and switch on the zaurus nothing happens |
| 19:17:59 | kergoth | s/qtopia/qtopia *desktop*/; |
| 19:18:06 | Aimio | There is usb driver to install as well as qtopia |
| 19:18:07 | kergoth | _OzzY_: you loaded the driver? |
| 19:18:23 | _OzzY_ | shouldn't it load automatically when I plug in the usb cable? |
| 19:18:35 | kergoth | _OzzY_: assuming you installed the driver off the cd, yes. |
| 19:18:36 | _OzzY_ | win xp does nothing when I plug in the cable and switch on the Z |
| 19:18:37 | Aimio | yes |
| 19:18:38 | kergoth | _OzzY_: did you? |
| 19:18:44 | kergoth | read the documentation |
| 19:18:47 | _OzzY_ | no, where is it on the cd? |
| 19:19:25 | kergoth | ibot: tell _OzzY_ about rtfm |
| 19:19:32 | Aimio | i had same roblem the other day, trying to remember what i did to get it to work. try 1) reboot zaurus 2) press sync button |
| 19:19:51 | _OzzY_ | tried that Aimio |
| 19:20:05 | Aimio | i think a reboot of the Z fixed it 4 me |
| 19:20:09 | Aimio | :/ |
| 19:20:20 | kergoth | if he hasnt installed the driver, rebooting the Z wont make it magically work |
| 19:20:21 | _OzzY_ | its rebooting now |
| 19:20:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:20:32 | _OzzY_ | win should auto detect a usb device |
| 19:20:37 | kergoth | YES |
| 19:20:39 | _OzzY_ | I have general USB drivers installed |
| 19:20:39 | kergoth | it detects it |
| 19:20:51 | kergoth | and unless you have the Z driver installed, you'll have a 'unknown' device sitting in device manager |
| 19:20:58 | kergoth | which does you no good |
| 19:21:07 | Aimio | also try this - 1) open cdrom 2) right click the various .inf files 3) install |
| 19:21:47 | _OzzY_ | rebooting the Z and hitting sync on the cradle didn't do anything :-( |
| 19:21:48 | Aimio | but accoring to the docs to install the usb driver when you plug it in it's supposed to recognise it |
| 19:21:54 | Aimio | also try this - 1) open cdrom 2) right click the various .inf files 3) install |
| 19:21:57 | _OzzY_ | I'm going to try installing the .inf files now |
| 19:22:13 | _OzzY_ | who needs to rtfm kergoth? |
| 19:22:16 | _OzzY_ | ;-) |
| 19:22:36 | kergoth | 99.9% of the time, whomever is asking the question |
| 19:22:57 | Aimio | I'm not proud of my windoze skillz :/ |
| 19:23:14 | _OzzY_ | still no joy Aimio |
| 19:23:16 | _OzzY_ | :-( |
| 19:23:26 | BigBoss | for anyone interested, we've released tkcRekall Lite, which is half the price of tkcRekall, the only difference is that it only works with xBase, there is no mysql or postgresql support |
| 19:24:17 | xml0 | great, does that mean you'll be releasing another one at half price that only works with mysql and postgres? ;) |
| 19:24:38 | BigBoss | nope :) |
| 19:24:39 | Aimio | reboot win, reboot Z. while win is loaded try taking z out if cradle, if fails try replugging usb lead, check device manager. add hardware wizard + search. If not try the linux one i suppose |
| 19:25:15 | alp | xml0: half price, sounds like a good deal. maybe we should stock up on tkcRekalls |
| 19:25:45 | ljp_work | how about tkcRekall ExtraLite... only works with csv :D |
| 19:26:37 | BigBoss | that's a great idea - I'll have mike start on it :) |
| 19:27:23 | NetAmp | tkcRekall UltraLite, only works with 1's and 0's |
| 19:27:26 | _OzzY_ | Aimio I've tried all those I'm afraid :-( |
| 19:30:08 | _OzzY_ | Itb seemed to be workiung OK until I removed it from the cradle while it was on and connected (although not actuall syncing any data). I guess it is a special windows feature |
| 19:30:08 | Aimio | in Z - settings, networking, add/edit usb link |
| 19:30:08 | Aimio | set ip |
| 19:30:09 | Aimio | for me if I remove when on it says "u;ve removed without telling me.." basically |
| 19:30:10 | NetAmp | hmm I had that once on WinXP, that it stopped working... |
| 19:30:12 | NetAmp | but it magically started working again |
| 19:30:16 | NetAmp | pretty confusing :S |
| 19:30:19 | kergoth | eject it first |
| 19:30:26 | kergoth | always eject it prior to removing it from the cradle |
| 19:30:54 | Aimio | _OzzY_: try right click eject on usb tray |
| 19:31:10 | NetAmp | Stop Devices should work |
| 19:31:10 | _OzzY_ | what USB tray |
| 19:31:10 | Aimio | even though you've already removed it |
| 19:31:31 | NetAmp | _OzzY_: the one you get when you plug in the Zaurus (put it in the tray) |
| 19:31:31 | Aimio | in systray perhaps there is a usb thing |
| 19:31:44 | _OzzY_ | NetAmp, I don't have it |
| 19:31:47 | NetAmp | it should appear together with a sound... |
| 19:31:55 | Aimio | -bling-! |
| 19:31:58 | _OzzY_ | Its as if win xp has given up on usb |
| 19:32:02 | | i heard wireless was The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 19:32:02 | djk-ow_ | ibot wireless |
| 19:32:06 | NetAmp | Aimio: heh like that ;) |
| 19:32:20 | NetAmp | when I place or remove it the icon (dis)appears and I hear the sound |
| 19:32:52 | Aimio | -bling-! xp has hijacked your life |
| 19:32:53 | mark | Neo|Work: do you have the GAPI emulator? i cna't find it. all the linksa re dead.. |
| 19:33:00 | _OzzY_ | OK. I think it is a usb problem. I just plugged in my usb camera and nothing happened. It usually gets a light on it |
| 19:33:00 | Aimio | gapi = ? |
| 19:33:15 | Aimio | _OzzY_: onboard usb? |
| 19:33:20 | _OzzY_ | yep |
| 19:33:23 | Neo|Work | mark: gapi emulator? No, I don't.. |
| 19:33:31 | Aimio | what is gapi emu? |
| 19:33:34 | NetAmp | gapi = Gameboy Advanced Playing Instrument ? |
| 19:33:35 | NetAmp | :P |
| 19:33:49 | VERItas | can anyone tell me where the zaurus hardware compatability list is? |
| 19:34:16 | Neo|Work | Game API |
| 19:34:24 | NetAmp | _OzzY_: damn I had the exact same thing.. I believe until I got a system error and something was reverted, then it suddenly started to work again |
| 19:34:28 | Aimio | _OzzY_: perhaps redo the usb via device manager - reinstal if poss |
| 19:34:29 | Neo|Work | a PocketPC API |
| 19:34:34 | NetAmp | but all of my USB was down also... |
| 19:34:49 | _OzzY_ | device manager shows the usb devices as being fine |
| 19:34:54 | _OzzY_ | sorry |
| 19:34:56 | Aimio | redo them anyway |
| 19:34:58 | _OzzY_ | devices = ports |
| 19:35:10 | Aimio | uninstall that is |
| 19:35:10 | NetAmp | noooooooooo you're not really emulating PocketPC on the Z? :| |
| 19:35:35 | Aimio | we can emulate pocketpc? |
| 19:35:47 | NetAmp | that would be sick, like PocketWine or something |
| 19:35:49 | NetAmp | gah |
| 19:35:55 | _OzzY_ | Aimio, how do I 'redo' them. I'm not sure what you mean |
| 19:35:57 | Aimio | or dualboot? |
| 19:36:01 | VERItas | that would be pretty rad. |
| 19:36:05 | VERItas | coudn't dual boot. |
| 19:36:13 | Aimio | _OzzY_: right click, uninstall in dev man |
| 19:36:16 | NetAmp | _OzzY_: Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager |
| 19:36:19 | Aimio | (device manager) |
| 19:36:20 | VERItas | would have to have somone roll a ppc rom. somone that had the dev kit. |
| 19:36:38 | _OzzY_ | and I do that to all usb ports, not the devices connected to the usb ports? |
| 19:36:54 | mark | Neo|Work: darn. okay, np, cheers |
| 19:37:03 | Aimio | _OzzY_: try the lot i suppose, and hope they recogise on reboot |
| 19:37:18 | Aimio | _OzzY_: they under diff section |
| 19:37:21 | _OzzY_ | OK. *fingers crossed I make it back* |
| 19:37:35 | _OzzY_ | diff section? |
| 19:37:43 | _OzzY_ | they are under USB controllers |
| 19:37:49 | Aimio | _OzzY_: i think so |
| 19:38:20 | Neo|Work | mark: what are you talking about anyway? Something to run a PocketPC app with w/o a PocketPC device? or something different? |
| 19:38:43 | VERItas | hrmm. something is dicked up on my zaurus. |
| 19:38:47 | Aimio | How is the Mac and Palm Emu's to use? |
| 19:38:54 | VERItas | palm emu sucks. |
| 19:38:59 | VERItas | slower than shit. |
| 19:39:15 | Aimio | pants |
| 19:39:25 | VERItas | i had to make an 8 meg swap on my cf for it to even work right. |
| 19:39:27 | Aimio | hope they can streamline |
| 19:39:35 | VERItas | yeh. it would be nice. |
| 19:39:56 | VERItas | would be cool to see it use the ir too (it might be able to already. i don't know) |
| 19:40:01 | Aimio | i suppose the Aniga emu isn't much better |
| 19:40:11 | Aimio | *amiga |
| 19:40:13 | VERItas | no. |
| 19:40:28 | Aimio | gameboy, msx, mame :p |
| 19:40:38 | VERItas | the gb emu is pretty good. |
| 19:40:44 | VERItas | i use that on a daily basis. |
| 19:40:56 | VERItas | somone needs to make a gba emu. |
| 19:41:16 | NetAmp | right |
| 19:41:18 | NetAmp | it's slow |
| 19:41:23 | NetAmp | or is there an update? |
| 19:41:31 | VERItas | whatever. the one i use isn't bad. |
| 19:41:38 | NetAmp | I ran Mario Land and it went slow |
| 19:41:40 | Aimio | I have seen a Arm version but i think closed src or something |
| 19:41:50 | VERItas | never played mario land. |
| 19:41:50 | NetAmp | VERItas: you using GNUboy? |
| 19:41:51 | _OzzY_ | ok, I uninstalled them all. BAck soon |
| 19:41:56 | VERItas | no. |
| 19:42:08 | VERItas | brb. |
| 19:42:12 | NetAmp | VERItas: ah ok then yours is prob'ly better ;) |
| 19:42:13 | VERItas | i will tell you. |
| 19:42:16 | NetAmp | thanks |
| 19:42:42 | VERItas | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=411 |
| 19:42:46 | VERItas | thats the one i use. |
| 19:42:48 | VERItas | pretty fast. |
| 19:42:49 | Aimio | anyone here used Grass? |
| 19:42:58 | VERItas | gameboyZ |
| 19:43:05 | NetAmp | Aimio: no way man, I don't do drugs! |
| 19:43:19 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 19:43:34 | NetAmp | VERItas: cool, does it have sound too maybe? |
| 19:43:47 | VERItas | not on my zaurus. |
| 19:44:28 | VERItas | and you don't have to use the damn keyboard. |
| 19:44:39 | NetAmp | VERItas: yay! to that |
| 19:45:05 | VERItas | no on the sound. |
| 19:45:40 | VERItas | it will probably make it considerably slower. |
| 19:45:46 | NetAmp | that's true.. |
| 19:46:46 | VERItas | bahh. my mouse is fucked. |
| 19:46:50 | VERItas | keeps turing off. |
| 19:46:51 | NetAmp | :( |
| 19:47:20 | VERItas | you know how i do escape on the z? |
| 19:47:34 | NetAmp | cancel I believe? |
| 19:47:51 | VERItas | really. hahah. guess i should have thought of that. |
| 19:47:52 | | well, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 19:47:52 | NetAmp | ibot: faq |
| 19:47:59 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 19:48:06 | VERItas | wee. |
| 19:48:12 | NetAmp | it's in the FAQ, all the key tricks |
| 19:48:26 | _OzzY_ | still no joy :-( |
| 19:48:33 | VERItas | nother question. ftp crapped out on my zaurus. |
| 19:48:39 | NetAmp | whoops |
| 19:48:43 | VERItas | i can't ftp in. but i can connect with http. |
| 19:48:51 | NetAmp | you're not trying on port 21 are you? ;) |
| 19:48:54 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:49:09 | VERItas | oh man. i'm going to kill myself. |
| 19:49:13 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 19:49:15 | NetAmp | 4242 |
| 19:49:18 | NetAmp | remember ;) |
| 19:49:18 | VERItas | hahaha. |
| 19:49:25 | NetAmp | I made that mistake a while ago :P d'oh |
| 19:49:49 | VERItas | ohh. works. |
| 19:49:54 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 19:50:33 | VERItas | new question. do you by chance use OZ? |
| 19:51:06 | Aimio | oz = ? |
| 19:51:14 | VERItas | open zaurus. |
| 20:03:29 | Rokur | Hey, im trying to install programs on my PNY 128meg SD card, but get the following error: ipkg says something went wrong. Sorry. |
| 20:05:35 | Rokur | any ideas? |
| 20:05:47 | Bovine | try it from the command line |
| 20:05:53 | Bovine | see what the error is |
| 20:06:19 | Rokur | ok, if i uploaded the pkg to zaurus, where would it be found in directory structure..? |
| 20:06:31 | Bovine | er, where you put it? |
| 20:06:49 | Bovine | oh, your using the windows file transfer program ain't you? |
| 20:07:00 | Rokur | yeah, put in documents section. |
| 20:07:05 | Bovine | has never used that with his Z |
| 20:07:15 | Rokur | selected SD on screen, then the pkg install tool detects them |
| 20:08:14 | Bovine | form the command line you'd type - |
| 20:08:24 | Bovine | ipkg -d sd install package |
| 20:08:39 | Rokur | k |
| 20:08:42 | Rokur | ill try that |
| 20:09:05 | Bovine | should give you a more verbose error, though it still may not help... |
| 20:09:23 | Bovine | what package is it you are trying to install? |
| 20:09:31 | Rokur | ok, that didnt like the sd as a dir.. so i still gotta find that |
| 20:09:41 | Rokur | any, even terminal fails on sd |
| 20:09:52 | Bovine | er, what error? |
| 20:10:26 | Rokur | the same ipkg says something went wrong. Sorry. |
| 20:10:32 | Bovine | heh |
| 20:10:40 | Bovine | what ipkg are you trying to install? |
| 20:10:57 | Rokur | right now dig |
| 20:11:55 | Rokur | well, i got linux, so how would i try from there |
| 20:13:34 | Realistic_Dragon | hi there |
| 20:14:40 | Realistic_Dragon | are there any VoIP programs for the zaurus? |
| 20:15:28 | Rokur | brb |
| 20:20:45 | ||ugh | Realistic_Dragon, the curren linphone might work on the Z, it's got a command line only mode. I don't have a compile envirnoment yet so I can't tell if it works. |
| 20:22:15 | Realistic_Dragon | hmm, ok, ty |
| 20:22:16 | Realistic_Dragon | got a URL? |
| 20:52:29 | BigBoss | l |
| 20:58:50 | ||ugh | Realistic_Dragon, here is the URL of linphone: http://freshmeat.net/releases/101725/ |
| 20:59:17 | kergoth | can someone on a Sharp rom send me the contents of their /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts and /etc/pcmcia/ide? kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 20:59:53 | ljp_work | why? |
| 21:00:09 | zecke | kergoth: sure have to get the Z first |
| 21:00:14 | kergoth | because there are reports that running an app off of a cf card results in the app exiting on suspend |
| 21:00:21 | kergoth | which indicates something up with our pcmcia-cs |
| 21:00:32 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 21:00:38 | ljp_work | ya hangon |
| 21:00:38 | kergoth | said reports say that it does not occur on the sharp rom, and that apps run from root survive suspend |
| 21:00:38 | wParam | kergoth: that happens in the sharp rom too |
| 21:00:43 | kergoth | wParam: it does? |
| 21:00:48 | kergoth | in that case.. |
| 21:00:54 | wParam | my app was exiting if it had any files open on cf |
| 21:01:06 | wParam | haven't installed anything to cf, i'll test that now |
| 21:03:09 | wParam | yeah, it's exiting |
| 21:03:46 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 21:04:01 | kergoth | okay, if it occurs in both I wont look into it right now. I'd like to dig into that later though |
| 21:04:32 | Cloudchaser | i have sharp rom |
| 21:04:52 | Cloudchaser | what is that happens that you want to know if it happens on sharp rom? |
| 21:05:17 | kergoth | run an app that you installed to CF |
| 21:05:20 | kergoth | suspend |
| 21:05:22 | kergoth | resume |
| 21:05:25 | kergoth | does the app exit? |
| 21:05:39 | Cloudchaser | just cf or sd too? |
| 21:05:44 | Cloudchaser | i ahve wireless card in |
| 21:05:50 | Cloudchaser | no apps on cf |
| 21:06:02 | wParam | if i remember correctly, sd works ok |
| 21:06:12 | treke|wherever | ooh cool. new version of portabse |
| 21:06:41 | zecke | treke|wherever: ping |
| 21:06:46 | treke|wherever | zecke: ping |
| 21:06:47 | zecke | treke|wherever: where is the 'patch' |
| 21:06:52 | Cloudchaser | ok cause that's what i use and i can suspend and unsuspend and have app still be open |
| 21:07:06 | zecke | treke|wherever: 1. speed |
| 21:07:10 | zecke | treke|wherever: 2. features |
| 21:07:11 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: okay, its likely a cf/pcmcia thing |
| 21:07:17 | zecke | treke|wherever: 3. make opie todo sane ;) |
| 21:07:32 | wParam | kergoth: you have any ideas on why that might be happening? |
| 21:07:35 | Cloudchaser | i'll try it in a little bit kergoth, install something to cf ard |
| 21:07:42 | Cloudchaser | cf card |
| 21:07:47 | Cloudchaser | and suspend and see what happens |
| 21:07:51 | kergoth | wParam: not offhand, the ide pcmcia driver should be able to survive suspend |
| 21:07:57 | kergoth | wParam: i'll dig into it when i have a chance |
| 21:08:13 | treke|wherever | zecke: going to attach it to the bug. Havent been around a compiler yet |
| 21:08:44 | wParam | could it be disabling the cf on suspend? i've noticed it takes a little longer to suspend when there's something in the cf slot |
| 21:08:58 | wParam | like maybe it wants to be sure that a non-storage card that might be in tehre gets turned off? |
| 21:09:02 | Cloudchaser | i have to find an app to install :) |
| 21:09:15 | kergoth | wParam: who knows.. it could be unmounting on suspend or something. thatd be stupid, but who knows. need to check syslog |
| 21:09:43 | Wembly | its probly going into powersave mode with the cf slot. |
| 21:09:50 | Wembly | so yea id say itd disconnect the thing :) |
| 21:10:02 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:10:09 | kergoth | it should save the registers in question |
| 21:10:13 | kergoth | and restore them on resume |
| 21:10:21 | kergoth | you'd think itd be possible to survive it |
| 21:10:53 | wParam | kergoth: you still want ide and ide.opts? |
| 21:11:16 | kergoth | wParam: nah, i needed htem if the sharp rom behaved differently.. since they're the same i'll just dig into it in oz |
| 21:11:24 | wParam | k |
| 21:19:57 | Wintre | Is anybody using an SMC EZ Connect CF card? |
| 21:22:49 | treke|wherever | zecke: alright, I just need to test this patch |
| 21:23:46 | zecke | ok |
| 21:40:59 | omoore | anyone here using CF wireless cards? |
| 21:40:59 | omoore | er... card |
| 21:40:59 | omoore | i use the AmbiCom.. works wonderfully (1.5 houses away)... |
| 21:41:00 | omoore | but... |
| 21:41:43 | omoore | i switch back and forth between ad hoc/infrastructure... |
| 21:41:47 | Wintre | I have an SMC EZ Connect which most works |
| 21:41:48 | Wintre | Er, mostly |
| 21:41:52 | Wintre | But somewhat not. |
| 21:41:59 | omoore | i have to turn the unit off/on instead of just switching to the appropriate network settting... |
| 21:42:00 | omoore | is this typical? |
| 21:42:09 | omoore | Wintre: is that a wireless nic? or what? |
| 21:42:18 | Wintre | omoore: Yes, CF wireless |
| 21:42:31 | omoore | Wintre: the AmbiCom you can buy from BestBuy for about $79 works wonderfully |
| 21:42:39 | Wintre | I'm in Norway. |
| 21:43:49 | omoore | Wintre: tho maybe it's your settings... |
| 21:43:50 | omoore | Wintre: what is 'somewhat' ? |
| 21:44:20 | Wintre | For example, it works for a while with an old Lucent WavePOINT II access point |
| 21:44:22 | Wintre | And then stops working |
| 21:44:39 | Wintre | The link light starts blinking indicating it's looking for an infrastructure |
| 21:44:47 | Wintre | Yesterday it worked with my AP at home |
| 21:44:49 | Wintre | Today, it doesn't |
| 21:44:57 | Wintre | A bit frustrating :/ |
| 21:46:01 | omoore | hmmm... |
| 21:46:35 | TheMasterMind1 | what rom ? |
| 21:46:47 | omoore | and you've tried powering down/up when standing near the access point? to make sure it's not a distance thing? |
| 21:47:11 | omoore | also... you are sure your accesspoint is set to serve enough clients? |
| 21:47:20 | omoore | some will allow you to limit the number of clients... |
| 21:47:52 | Wintre | omoore: In both cases the AP's in the same room. |
| 21:48:01 | Wintre | I haven't configured any limits on either. |
| 21:48:05 | omoore | (also.. i assume you are 802.11b in norway yes?) |
| 21:48:15 | treke|wherever | zecke: uploaded |
| 21:48:28 | Wintre | TheMasterMind1: Sharp's 2.38 with Qtopia 1.6 beta |
| 21:48:38 | omoore | let's go thru the setup to make sure you've configured everything properly... one moment while i grab a soda |
| 21:48:51 | zecke | kewl |
| 21:49:07 | zecke | Wintre: 2.38 with Qtopia1.6? where to get that? |
| 21:50:47 | Wintre | zecke: AFAIK the particular combination isn't publically available |
| 21:50:47 | benmeyer | can someone more familiar with bash scripting write me a little script? |
| 21:50:55 | Wintre | ben: Which does...? |
| 21:51:01 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: to do what |
| 21:51:21 | TheMasterMind1 | openzaurus > sharp rom :) |
| 21:51:29 | benmeyer | takes in three params. First one is either add or remove. second and third are ip's The script then add or removes the ips from /etc/resolve.conf |
| 21:52:03 | omoore | benmeyer: i can |
| 21:52:09 | benmeyer | Thanks |
| 21:52:26 | omoore | benmeyer: give me a few mins.. going to go thru Wintre's network setup |
| 21:52:31 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: networksetup's working good i hear |
| 21:52:32 | benmeyer | ok, np |
| 21:52:33 | TheMasterMind1 | good job :) |
| 21:52:49 | omoore | Wembly: you ready? |
| 21:52:54 | Wintre | Wembly? |
| 21:53:00 | omoore | oops :-) |
| 21:53:19 | omoore | Wintre: misstype + auto complete |
| 21:53:24 | omoore | Wintre: ok.. let me get my Z |
| 21:54:06 | Wintre | plugs in his access point |
| 21:54:25 | omoore | Wintre: first some Q's... |
| 21:54:31 | omoore | Wintre: (1) Are you using WEP |
| 21:55:21 | omoore | Wintre: (hopefully you are) |
| 21:55:45 | omoore | Wintre: (2) Do you have another wireless device that is working fine with your AP |
| 21:55:48 | Wintre | omoore: Not at home. WEP == rot13, but every little bit helps. Nonetheless I couldn't get WEP working with the CF card and AP (though it did work with my laptop, orinoco silver card, and AP yesterday night) |
| 21:56:03 | Wintre | Though WEP *did* work between the laptop and CF card in ad-hoc mode |
| 21:56:45 | omoore | Wintre: ok.. let's just clear everything out and start over on your Z ... networking wise... |
| 21:56:59 | omoore | Wintre: close all applications on your Z |
| 21:57:05 | TheMasterMind1 | sends subliminal messages to Wintre ... "install openzaurus...." |
| 21:57:24 | Wintre | eyes TheMasterMind1 |
| 21:57:30 | Wintre | TheMasterMind1: Couple of clues. |
| 21:57:32 | omoore | Wintre: ensure that your laptop can connect to your AP |
| 21:57:41 | Wintre | A) I'm running a weird combo of Sharp ROM and Qtopia |
| 21:57:48 | Wintre | B) I'm in Norway |
| 21:57:56 | Wintre | What might you guess from these facts? |
| 21:58:02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:58:03 | Wintre | omoore: Laptop is at work :) |
| 21:58:07 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 21:58:12 | omoore | Wintre: ok.. then next... |
| 21:58:14 | Wintre | While I am here at home |
| 21:58:30 | omoore | Wintre: on your Z.. go to Settings->Wireless Lan Settings |
| 21:58:49 | omoore | Wintre: On Config... |
| 21:59:05 | omoore | Wintre: set ESS ID to 'Specific ESSID' and enter your AP's ESSID |
| 21:59:09 | Cloudchaser | lol.. |
| 21:59:15 | Wintre | omoore: It is set. |
| 21:59:18 | omoore | Wintre: On Netowrk Type, choose Infrastructure |
| 21:59:32 | omoore | Wintre: set the chanel to match your AP channel |
| 21:59:38 | Wintre | Actually, hold on a bit. I'll reboot into (ugh) Windows so I can use my AP config program |
| 21:59:54 | omoore | Wintre: k |
| 22:00:05 | omoore | Wintre: your AP doesn't have a web interface? |
| 22:00:06 | omoore | Wintre: strange |
| 22:03:06 | benmeyer | omoore: when you get it done can you e-mail it to meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 22:03:07 | benmeyer | ? |
| 22:03:16 | omoore | benmeyer: oh sorry... |
| 22:03:23 | omoore | i can do that now while we are waiting for Wintre |
| 22:03:29 | omoore | benmeyer: what is it you need again? |
| 22:04:35 | benmeyer | takes in three params. First one is either add or remove. second and third are ip's The script then add or removes the ips from /etc/resolve.conf |
| 22:04:38 | omoore | anyone else agree that Qtopia desktop is at best B- software when compared to JPilot/evolution/Palm Desktop/etc |
| 22:04:40 | Wintre | Web interface? Ugh |
| 22:04:58 | kergoth | s/ips/ips as 'nameserver' entries/; |
| 22:04:59 | kergoth | eh? |
| 22:05:00 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:05:01 | wParam | lol B-software? |
| 22:05:09 | Wintre | My AP is el-cheapo. |
| 22:05:22 | omoore | benmeyer: so syntax would be.... |
| 22:05:27 | Wintre | Cloudchaser: Did you figure out my clues? |
| 22:05:39 | Cloudchaser | haha i already knew |
| 22:05:42 | Wintre | Ah |
| 22:05:42 | Cloudchaser | thats why i was laughing |
| 22:05:51 | omoore | benmeyer: resolve-config add 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2 |
| 22:06:16 | omoore | Wintre: so you are ready? |
| 22:06:24 | Wintre | Yes. |
| 22:06:31 | Wintre | ESSID matches on both. |
| 22:06:37 | omoore | Wintre: to continue? you rebooted already? ok... |
| 22:06:48 | omoore | Wintre: and infrastructure and channel |
| 22:06:50 | omoore | ? |
| 22:06:51 | Wintre | Wireless config set to infrastructure. Wep is disabled. |
| 22:06:59 | Wintre | Channel isn't an option with infrastructure. |
| 22:07:02 | omoore | Wintre: what about the channel? do they match |
| 22:07:08 | kergoth | omoore: yes, add those as 'nameserver [ip]' entries in resolve.conf, where ip is each specified ip. question is, how to handle the case where those entries are already in the file |
| 22:07:09 | omoore | Wintre: hmm.. is with mine |
| 22:07:10 | Cloudchaser | shouldn't have to set channel |
| 22:07:25 | Cloudchaser | what type of ap? |
| 22:07:42 | Wintre | CNet |
| 22:07:43 | omoore | kergoth: easy... |
| 22:08:04 | omoore | kergoth: when you 'add' you do a drop of those ip's then do the 'add' logic |
| 22:08:11 | kergoth | omoore: thing is |
| 22:08:23 | omoore | kergoth: that way.. if either exists.. it will go away.. then be re-added |
| 22:08:26 | kergoth | omoore: we want the specified ips to be the first nameservers in the file. resolv.conf is in order of preference |
| 22:08:35 | kergoth | go away in what way? |
| 22:08:40 | kergoth | cat | grep -v? |
| 22:08:40 | omoore | kergoth: ahh. still.. no problem... |
| 22:08:47 | kergoth | remember, you dont have 'sed' |
| 22:08:49 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:08:49 | omoore | kergoth: let me help Wintre first |
| 22:08:51 | Wintre | God |
| 22:08:56 | omoore | kergoth: i do |
| 22:09:16 | omoore | Wintre: ok.. so wireless security is done... |
| 22:09:20 | Wintre | You know, the sh to generate resolve.conf would be really simpy |
| 22:09:23 | Wintre | Err, simple. |
| 22:09:28 | Wintre | Why do you want to remove anything from it? |
| 22:09:40 | omoore | Wintre: agreed... |
| 22:09:43 | Wintre | One IP at a time perhaps but never both. |
| 22:09:58 | omoore | Wintre: ok.. so save your changes and open "network & Sync' |
| 22:10:04 | Wintre | Ergo all you have is "write-resolv-conf" which is just a here-document with params in the right place. |
| 22:10:14 | kergoth | omoore: no. |
| 22:10:18 | kergoth | omoore: the script will run on a zaurus |
| 22:10:25 | kergoth | omoore: OZ specifically. there is *no* sed |
| 22:10:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:10:33 | omoore | kergoth: i know.. sed is availalbe |
| 22:10:36 | kergoth | no |
| 22:10:36 | Wintre | I already have an interface defined, and it uses DHCP, and my masq server runs a dhcpd |
| 22:10:38 | kergoth | dood |
| 22:10:40 | kergoth | OZ doesnt have sed |
| 22:10:45 | kergoth | want to bet? |
| 22:10:45 | omoore | kergoth: i see |
| 22:11:00 | omoore | kergoth: ahh.. Open Zaurus... |
| 22:11:26 | omoore | kergoth: let me finish with Wintre first.. we can resolve the issue... can't think multi-threaded :-) |
| 22:11:35 | omoore | Wintre: you in Network & sync? |
| 22:11:47 | Wintre | omoore: I already have an interface defined, and it uses DHCP, and my masq server runs a dhcpd. |
| 22:12:13 | omoore | Wintre: and yo do *not* have any proxy setup.. right? |
| 22:12:22 | Wintre | Proxy is irrelevant. |
| 22:12:26 | Wintre | At this stage at least |
| 22:12:34 | Wintre | I don't get an IP address from the DHCP server |
| 22:12:42 | omoore | Wintre: have you tried to set it to static ip? |
| 22:12:58 | omoore | Wintre: you should be able to set the gateway and dns server to the router ip |
| 22:13:10 | omoore | Wintre: just try this... |
| 22:13:10 | Cloudchaser | i have a dlink card and cisco ap and use Non-Spec Essid "any" |
| 22:13:35 | Wintre | omoore: Maybe I should save us both some time and point out that I'm a sysadmin at Trolltech, and I've done a fair bit of wireless configuration before. |
| 22:13:56 | Wintre | I've gone through all the configuration dialogs and made sure it all matches up |
| 22:14:06 | omoore | Wintre: fair enough.. i just used static ip so i can always have a predictable ip for my z at home... |
| 22:14:09 | Wintre | So you can skip more or less straight to the esoteric stuff if you have any :) |
| 22:14:16 | Cloudchaser | whast kind of wireless card? |
| 22:14:27 | Wintre | SMC EZ Connect |
| 22:15:12 | omoore | Wintre: tho it works with dhcp.. if you just can't get ip from dhcp then setting to static ip and pointing to the AP for gateway and dns should work.. that's how i do static ip with my Z |
| 22:15:45 | kergoth | Wintre: does dmesg show any useful information on a loss of association with the AP? |
| 22:16:52 | Wintre | omoore: The AP sends SNMP traps when a station associates with it, and I haven't gotten any |
| 22:17:28 | Bruton | does anyone know if there is a way to use a cf or sd card as extended memory? |
| 22:17:36 | omoore | Wintre: sorry i can't help any further.. i just don't know what to do next.. other than... |
| 22:17:38 | Wintre | dmesg is showing "p80211knetdev_hard_start_xmit: Tx attempt prior to association, frame dropped" |
| 22:17:51 | omoore | Wintre: to make sure you have chosen the connection under Internet Settings Wizard |
| 22:18:01 | Wintre | Bruton: You could swap to it, I suppose, but you wouldn't want to. |
| 22:18:04 | Wintre | Flash wears out. |
| 22:18:26 | omoore | kergoth: benmeyer: so.. now.. the script for the name server... |
| 22:18:43 | Cloudchaser | i did read that the order is importand, do the wireless setting, then the lan/tcpip connection |
| 22:18:48 | Cloudchaser | not sure if that's true or not |
| 22:18:51 | omoore | kergoth: requirments... (1) allow add option to add a new ip |
| 22:18:58 | Wintre | cloudchaser: I doubt it. |
| 22:19:05 | omoore | kergoth: (2) allow del option to remove an ip |
| 22:19:14 | Wintre | Cloudchaser: Without an interface, plugging in the wireless card doesn't get you anything |
| 22:19:21 | omoore | kergoth: that's it .. right? excpet.. dont duplicate entries... |
| 22:19:30 | omoore | kergoth: and don't loose an entry when you add |
| 22:19:46 | omoore | kergoth: and always put the ip you add as the new first ip |
| 22:19:48 | kergoth | omoore: that, and adding entries should likely add the entries above any other currently existing entries, to ensure the added entries are given priority |
| 22:19:51 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:19:57 | omoore | kergoth: one more q... |
| 22:20:04 | omoore | kergoth: if you add one in existence... |
| 22:20:06 | kergoth | not much else. but keep in mind you do not have either sed or awk at yourdisposal |
| 22:20:14 | omoore | aerand it is not top dog.. should i make it ? Yes i assume |
| 22:20:22 | kergoth | i would say so |
| 22:20:24 | Cloudchaser | ok wintre: thats just the way it says to do it on the dev site |
| 22:20:33 | omoore | kergoth: ok.. give me a few mins |
| 22:20:39 | kergoth | k |
| 22:21:18 | Wintre | kergoth: Three arguments, you said |
| 22:21:21 | Wintre | hmm |
| 22:21:31 | omoore | Wintre: yeah.. 'add/del' 'ip' 'ip' |
| 22:21:51 | omoore | kergoth: rather then strictly '3' args... |
| 22:21:55 | Wintre | Are they all mandatory? |
| 22:22:18 | omoore | kergoth: why don't i do a 'switch' 'ip' ['ip'..] |
| 22:22:45 | omoore | kergoth: mandate 2 (switch and at least one ip) but allow many (switch and one or more ip's) |
| 22:24:59 | kergoth | omoore: define the syntax of 'switch'? |
| 22:25:04 | kergoth | er |
| 22:25:06 | kergoth | not syntax |
| 22:25:10 | kergoth | wtf does switch do? |
| 22:25:14 | kergoth | add/del is intuitive |
| 22:25:15 | omoore | kergoth: heh.. |
| 22:25:23 | omoore | kergoth: something like this... |
| 22:25:27 | kergoth | drinks more caffeine |
| 22:25:44 | omoore | kergoth: conf-nameserver.sh add 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2 192.168.1.3 ... |
| 22:25:56 | omoore | kergoth: or conf-nameserver.sh -a ip ip ip ip |
| 22:26:08 | omoore | kergoth: conf-nameserver.sh -r ip ip ip... |
| 22:26:37 | omoore | kergoth: or maybe config-nameserver, confns, configns.. whatever |
| 22:26:43 | kergoth | k, i'm with you so far |
| 22:26:43 | omoore | kergoth: you can come up with a name |
| 22:27:00 | omoore | k... give me a few mins to 'rem' it out |
| 22:27:04 | kergoth | k |
| 22:27:07 | Cloudchaser | Wintre: your access point is SMC EZ Connect? |
| 22:27:15 | Wintre | Cloudchaser: My CF card is. |
| 22:27:21 | Wintre | My access point is "CNet access point" |
| 22:27:28 | Wintre | Apparently based upon some Atmel thing |
| 22:27:34 | Wintre | Amusingly it all worked swimmingly last night |
| 22:27:38 | Cloudchaser | ah i haven't heard of CNet acccess point |
| 22:27:43 | Cloudchaser | it all worked last night?? |
| 22:27:46 | Wintre | Then I made the mistake of turning it off |
| 22:27:48 | Wintre | Yep. |
| 22:27:58 | Wintre | Though I had to change the config at work regardless. |
| 22:28:00 | Cloudchaser | can you reboot and see if that helps or have you tried it? |
| 22:28:11 | Wintre | I've rebooted the Z several times already |
| 22:28:24 | Wintre | (Well, twice) |
| 22:28:36 | Cloudchaser | hmm berry berry odd |
| 22:28:38 | ljp_work | I once shoved a boot up my Z's ass.. |
| 22:29:00 | Cloudchaser | and, i assume, eject and re-insert the card? |
| 22:29:19 | Wintre | That too |
| 22:29:23 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 22:29:31 | Cloudchaser | hard reset? *ducks* |
| 22:29:36 | Wintre | Oh god no |
| 22:29:39 | Wintre | Hey |
| 22:29:41 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 22:29:41 | Wintre | Good point. |
| 22:29:52 | Cloudchaser | i read that worked for somone who was having issues |
| 22:29:56 | Wintre | I had to do that today after installing something from opie destroyed it |
| 22:30:03 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 22:30:11 | Wintre | Indeed. |
| 22:30:18 | Wintre | But so far as I recall... |
| 22:35:05 | omoore | kergoth: you do have 'grep' right? |
| 22:35:16 | omoore | kergoth: and cat... and... |
| 22:35:23 | omoore | kergoth: for loops |
| 22:35:41 | omoore | kergoth: and (bonus points here) 'case' |
| 22:36:16 | Wintre | for loops and case are part of Bourne sh |
| 22:36:38 | omoore | Wintre: i know.. just want to make sure they are available in OZ |
| 22:37:44 | kergoth | omoore: yep, you have everything in posix sh, cat, grep |
| 22:38:04 | omoore | sweet.. ok.. not long now before i have it rem'd out.. |
| 22:43:29 | omoore | kergoth: going to dcc you a remarks only script to look at while i code the guts.. tel me if you see something you don't like |
| 22:43:51 | kergoth | omoore: mail to kergoth@handhelds.org, dcc wont work |
| 22:44:03 | omoore | kergoth: k |
| 22:44:39 | omoore | kergoth: remember.. not code yet.. |
| 22:44:44 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:48:32 | omoore | kergoth: you should have it now |
| 22:50:21 | kergoth | omoore: got it. looks good, i see no problem with that implementation |
| 22:50:50 | Cloudchaser | any luck Wintre? |
| 22:51:02 | omoore | k.. might have someone else look it over too while i code... |
| 22:51:21 | omoore | kergoth: btw.. i'll use some variables at the top for script names, switch values, etc... |
| 22:51:34 | omoore | kergoth: that way you can change that stuff if you wish |
| 22:52:06 | _OzzY_ | hmm I'm still having no luck syncing with xp :-( |
| 22:53:14 | Wintre | cloudchaser: No, but I think it's something to do with the !@# driver in the kernel. |
| 22:53:43 | Wintre | eyes irq 35 |
| 22:53:46 | | i heard wireless was The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 22:53:46 | Wintre | ibot wireless |
| 22:55:45 | Wintre | Now see, the SMC card is listed there, and there are no caveats listed for it |
| 22:56:29 | kergoth | omoore: sounds good |
| 23:00:12 | _OzzY_ | could someone possibly tell me if the netgear MA701 CF 802.11b card works 'out of the box' with a standard zaurus? |
| 23:00:30 | Wintre | _OzzY_: Look at the URLs above |
| 23:01:10 | _OzzY_ | I have done but none of them say whether they actuall work or not. If they are l;isted, do they work without having to alter things? |
| 23:01:34 | Bovine | _OzzY_: it's not hard to modifiy things |
| 23:01:50 | _OzzY_ | oo and what about the socket blue tooth card? |
| 23:01:56 | Cloudchaser | wintre is yours 2642W? |
| 23:02:04 | Wintre | That's the one |
| 23:02:14 | Cloudchaser | did you have to add those lines to wlan-ng? |
| 23:02:21 | Wintre | Nope, it's already recognized |
| 23:02:52 | Cloudchaser | is it working now for you? |
| 23:04:20 | Cloudchaser | _OzzY_: On that 2nd link it says if they work and if something has to be modified in a config i think |
| 23:04:29 | Wintre | cloud: Nope |
| 23:04:39 | Wintre | I'll probably have to bring my bloody laptop home again or something |
| 23:04:41 | _OzzY_ | OK, it just didn't seem very clear |
| 23:04:53 | Wintre | sneers at his AP |
| 23:05:02 | Wintre | And my Z battery is about dead, so no more playing tonight |
| 23:05:10 | Cloudchaser | good luck Wintre |
| 23:05:49 | Cloudchaser | _OzzY_: I believe the ones with asterisks have notes below |
| 23:07:44 | Wintre | LARTs the damn thing |
| 23:11:07 | | well, wifi is see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 23:11:07 | Wintre | ibot wifi |
| 23:11:38 | _OzzY_ | just one more quick question ;-) |
| 23:11:58 | _OzzY_ | does anyone use the Z with an erricoson T68 as a GPRS modem? |
| 23:12:09 | _OzzY_ | either over IR or bluetooth |
| 23:20:10 | omoore | kergoth: still here.. |
| 23:20:12 | omoore | kergoth: :-) |
| 23:21:30 | kergoth | yup |
| 23:25:10 | _OzzY_ | anyone have such a configuration? |
| 23:27:41 | Wintre | Where do I find a wireless tools package for the Z? |
| 23:31:31 | Cloudchaser | on zsi most likely |
| 23:31:58 | Cloudchaser | or ipkgfind |
| 23:32:44 | Cloudchaser | what kind of tools? |
| 23:37:03 | Wintre | wireless tools is a package which includes programs to monitor the card, set options, etc. |
| 23:37:37 | kergoth | Wintre: its useless, the sharp Z kernel doesnt have wireless extensions enabled |
| 23:37:57 | Wintre | Yeah, I've read that. |
| 23:38:25 | Wintre | But that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. |
| 23:38:46 | Wintre | WTF can they even *set* the wireless parameters if the kernel doesn't include the wireless extensions? |
| 23:38:54 | Wintre | s/WT/HT/ |
| 23:39:04 | kergoth | i agree |
| 23:39:04 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:39:04 | kergoth | if you're using wlan-ng |
| 23:39:04 | kergoth | which most people are |
| 23:39:25 | kergoth | socket/symbol cards wont, it uses hte spectrum_cs driver, which is based on orinoco, which uses wireless extensions solely for configuration |
| 23:39:31 | Wintre | Ah hah. |
| 23:39:32 | kergoth | so you cant use WEP on a socket/symbol card with a stock sharp rom |
| 23:39:39 | kergoth | OZ doesnt use wlan-ng at all |
| 23:39:44 | Wintre | Indeed, I discovered that |
| 23:40:01 | Wintre | I tried another kernel in my Z with a Symbol card and still couldn't use WEP |
| 23:40:16 | kergoth | what kernel? |
| 23:40:20 | Wintre | I wasn't even aware there was a new version of the wireless support in the kernel |
| 23:40:28 | kergoth | there isnt a new version |
| 23:40:28 | Wintre | It was one compiled by the discoverer guy, I think |
| 23:40:35 | kergoth | we're using the wireless extensions support that was in 2.4.6 |
| 23:40:38 | kergoth | which while old, works. |
| 23:40:45 | Wintre | Then perhaps I'm confused |
| 23:41:03 | Wintre | About wlan-ng vs. wireless extensions |
| 23:41:07 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: hhu |
| 23:41:18 | Cloudchaser | Wintre: i chouldn't get Discoverer to even work on the z |
| 23:41:30 | Cloudchaser | and i read that others couldn't either |
| 23:41:35 | Wintre | I haven't looked into this stuff in much depth in recent times. I was kinda hoping I could play it ignorant - that things would Just Work (TM) |
| 23:41:43 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:41:56 | Wintre | Cloudchaser: I recall that you had some problems |
| 23:42:00 | Cloudchaser | well, my card "just worked" |
| 23:42:12 | Cloudchaser | but ...discoverer didn't |
| 23:43:35 | Cloudchaser | i had an older version of kismet working but don't think i got the newest version working..didn't play wiht it too much though |
| 23:43:51 | Wintre | I'd really like something diagnostic actually |
| 23:44:10 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 23:44:10 | Wintre | kergoth: Is there documentation out there regarding wlan-ng vs. wireless extensions? |
| 23:44:24 | omoore | kergoth: you still with me? |
| 23:44:31 | omoore | kergoth: i think i have the add script working now... |
| 23:44:36 | Piete | Cloudchaser: do you have an IPK of the older kismet? |
| 23:45:05 | omoore | kergoth: will mail it to you.. one moment.. (btw.. it is *NOT* tested well yet.. bakcup your resolve.conf file before you add to it. |
| 23:46:03 | omoore | kergoth: reply here when you are awake again |
| 23:46:20 | Cloudchaser | Piete: i might at that :0 |
| 23:46:24 | Cloudchaser | let me look |
| 23:46:34 | Piete | thanks |
| 23:46:44 | Piete | I can't get 2.6.1 working either :/ |
| 23:48:31 | Cloudchaser | ok hold, have to find it on other pc which is shut down |
| 23:49:57 | Cloudchaser | ok i think i found it.. kismet 2.2.2 |
| 23:50:04 | Cloudchaser | thats the one i had working |
| 23:51:52 | omoore | kergoth: you here? |
| 23:52:09 | Piete | Cloudchaser: cooL! |
| 23:52:19 | omoore | who else was working with kergoth and was requesting the script to update /etc/resolve.conf ? |
| 23:52:27 | omoore | benmeyer: was it you? |
| 23:54:23 | Wintre | Hey, whaddya know |
| 23:54:27 | Wintre | 'Q: All I see is "Tx attempt prior to association, frame dropped"' |
| 23:55:43 | Wintre | That looks interesting. I think the bloody card driver was trying for IRQ 35 |
| 23:57:14 | omoore | kergoth: ok.. well you quiet.. but i think i've got the whole script now... |
| 23:57:21 | omoore | kergoth: again.. not tested well yet... |
| 23:57:27 | omoore | kergoth: will email it to you now |
| 23:58:15 | Wintre | Q: Can I use my 802.11b card as an AP under Linux? |
| 23:58:18 | Wintre | Yes, and in the true free software fashion, there are several ways: |
| 23:58:20 | Wintre | Hah |
| 23:59:45 | omoore | benmeyer: i'm guesing your no longer at your terminal |