| 00:02:57 | Speedy2 | re |
| 00:04:25 | badl | hey |
| 00:04:34 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 00:04:54 | badl | whats been happening? |
| 00:05:04 | Speedy2 | Not much, what abuot you? |
| 00:05:20 | badl | just another coffee and a few more lines of C++ ;) |
| 00:05:28 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 00:05:37 | badl | hard to find the motivation to complete projects |
| 00:05:52 | Speedy2 | If it's C++ based, I can certainly understand that. |
| 00:06:16 | badl | yeah? why is that... |
| 00:07:42 | Speedy2 | <-- not a fan of C++, that's all. |
| 00:07:53 | badl | pure ANSI C boy? |
| 00:08:02 | Speedy2 | C and assembly. |
| 00:08:15 | Speedy2 | C has plenty of crap with it too... |
| 00:08:29 | badl | hehe so you perfer asm all round ;) |
| 00:08:37 | badl | x86? |
| 00:08:42 | Speedy2 | No. But C has plenty of drawbacks |
| 00:08:44 | Speedy2 | x86? GOD NO |
| 00:08:46 | Techie2000 | is away: I'm busy |
| 00:09:23 | inomine | building a gui out in C is like building a house out of spagheti |
| 00:09:40 | badl | which architechure then? |
| 00:09:53 | Speedy2 | RISC based ones. |
| 00:10:02 | Speedy2 | ARM, MIPS, Alpha, PPC, etc. |
| 00:10:06 | badl | did you start out with 68k asm? |
| 00:10:12 | Speedy2 | Heh, no. |
| 00:10:19 | ||ugh | But from an eng. stand point a horse IS built out of spagheti! |
| 00:10:28 | badl | ... there goes my guess at having amiga roots ;) |
| 00:10:36 | Speedy2 | Heh. |
| 00:11:14 | badl | Speedy2: so what systems do you work on then? |
| 00:11:35 | Speedy2 | Embedded systems typically. |
| 00:12:27 | badl | hence the Z ;) |
| 00:12:38 | Speedy2 | Yup :) |
| 00:13:10 | | jbardin was last seen on #zaurus 8 hours, 43 seconds ago, saying: could you imagine being in the front row of that auditorium when he gave that speach... i dont know how they kept from busting up in histarics [Fri Oct 25 10:12:27 2002] |
| 00:13:10 | numatrix | ibot seen jbardin |
| 00:15:06 | badl | Speedy2: have you written any apps for da Z? |
| 00:16:11 | Speedy2 | Not exactly. |
| 00:16:25 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 00:17:04 | badl | but can't help wonder if i said something to scare Speedy2 away! |
| 00:23:51 | ljp | probably |
| 00:28:11 | badl | ljp: is there something scary about ask if you have written any apps for the Z? |
| 00:28:27 | ljp | hehe.. maybe for speedy :) |
| 00:29:28 | badl | is checking out digitalblasphemy.com |
| 00:56:27 | Techie2000 | is back (gone 00:47:40) |
| 01:13:58 | untorn | YO |
| 01:15:00 | badl | hallo |
| 01:15:18 | Techie2000 | Hello |
| 01:16:44 | darienm | helllllloooooooo |
| 01:17:15 | hardwire | hi |
| 01:22:34 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:31:08 | badl | chouimat: did you eat the whole pie? |
| 01:31:35 | ljp | pokes hardwire with a vtun stick |
| 01:32:10 | badl | ljp: are you sitting at your keyboard with nothing to do? |
| 01:32:34 | ljp | no, why.. you need something done? |
| 01:32:40 | badl | no |
| 01:33:26 | ljp | just surfin newsgroup this evening |
| 01:35:07 | badl | Znews.... |
| 01:36:19 | Cloudchaser | ooh i can get to the boards now ;) |
| 01:38:07 | ljp | well,, rootie tootie frootie! |
| 01:40:32 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:40:40 | hardwire | bastard |
| 01:40:48 | Cloudchaser | yeah he's a meanie ;( |
| 01:40:53 | hardwire | :) |
| 01:40:59 | hardwire | so am I |
| 01:41:17 | ljp | ya freakie fredie! |
| 01:42:08 | ljp | I was all set to come home and do some network experimentations.. and then.... got.. uninspired |
| 01:44:09 | ljp | misses his kitty kitty |
| 01:47:37 | ljp | oh! I'm further along with horz scroll in embeddedkonsole as I thought... |
| 01:47:58 | ljp | hmm |
| 01:48:31 | ljp | numbers.. numbers... numbers.... bits.. bytes... |
| 01:48:41 | ljp | its all so confusing! |
| 01:48:55 | ljp | shift this, shift that.. |
| 01:49:24 | br33zy | shit this, shit that |
| 01:49:36 | ljp | shiFt |
| 01:49:39 | ljp | :D |
| 01:49:49 | darienm | moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 01:50:37 | ljp | I even update gutenbrowser embedded.. just havent released it yet.. |
| 01:50:46 | br33zy | mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 01:50:47 | ljp | hmm |
| 01:50:51 | br33zy | how did he know i mooed? |
| 01:51:10 | ljp | he smelt your farts |
| 01:51:18 | ljp | err smelled |
| 01:51:22 | chouimat | *BELCH* |
| 01:51:37 | ljp | who let the herd of cows in here? |
| 01:51:52 | br33zy | oh sorry |
| 01:51:59 | br33zy | the electronic gate accidently _opened_ |
| 01:54:47 | ljp | akk! never turn on power amps before turn down the mic levels! |
| 01:59:31 | Pendalar | hi all, anyone know how to mount a dir upon insertion of wifi cf? |
| 01:59:57 | br33zy | why would you want to do that? |
| 02:00:43 | Pendalar | so my linux box hd is automatically accessable when I pop in the cf in the z |
| 02:00:53 | ljp | that sounds kinda kinky |
| 02:03:12 | ljp | I really wish the Z had a fpu |
| 02:04:51 | ljp | no floats! boo hooo! |
| 02:05:02 | ljp | or, rather.. slow floats |
| 02:05:30 | ljp | cant do much audio processing without fast floats |
| 02:11:16 | ljp | bah! floats! |
| 02:12:46 | ljp | hey! where is everybody? |
| 02:14:12 | ljp | foo |
| 02:15:10 | ljp | how am I supposed to do some cool effects/audio processing/visual stuff without fast floats? |
| 02:15:18 | ljp | lag, lag lag |
| 02:15:37 | ljp | fine |
| 02:17:36 | ljp | I need a graphing qt widget |
| 02:18:45 | Pendalar | all these opie apps, is there no chance they will run on the normal rom? |
| 02:19:08 | treke|laptop | ljp: look in opie-checkbook |
| 02:21:24 | ljp | pendalar: alot wil run on sharp rom, yes. You might need libopie. Theres a few opie apps at myzaurus.com |
| 02:22:20 | Pendalar | I don't really care what rom I use, all I do is dev |
| 02:24:39 | ljp | heh distributed hardware float processing :) |
| 02:26:35 | ljp | fudgie.. |
| 02:26:42 | Pendalar | damn buggy wcf11 |
| 02:26:48 | badl | ljp: graphing qt widget = QPaintdevice, QPainter, QPixmap ;) |
| 02:29:10 | ljp | ya, I know.. I'm just too lazy.. :) |
| 02:30:23 | badl | ljp: the thing is i wish it existed too... currently i'm writing my own |
| 02:30:48 | ljp | ahh.. |
| 02:33:15 | treke|laptop | does the opie |
| 02:33:22 | treke|laptop | checkbook widget not do what you want? |
| 02:35:24 | Pendalar | what would be the best way to play mp3's over a mounted fs? |
| 02:35:34 | badl | an audio player |
| 02:35:42 | Pendalar | the builtin media player thing kind of suchs and is buggy if you leave the Documents area |
| 02:35:49 | Pendalar | and I'm not mounted under documents |
| 02:35:58 | Pendalar | sucks rather |
| 02:36:05 | badl | xmms, opieplayer |
| 02:36:05 | ljp | badl: http://qwt.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:36:22 | badl | hmm what have we here ;) |
| 02:37:18 | Pendalar | I'm not running opie, and xmms seems buggy based on the 100s of forum posts |
| 02:38:10 | badl | Pendalar: tkcPlayer |
| 02:38:23 | Pendalar | xmms vs tkcPlayer ? |
| 02:39:20 | badl | i imagine that tckPlayer works without a hitch! |
| 02:39:42 | badl | but it is commerical soft |
| 02:39:49 | Pendalar | I mean overall, xmms would be a general favorite no? |
| 02:39:58 | badl | yes |
| 02:41:15 | Pendalar | at some point I wonder if it would be better to use a streaming program from the linux box |
| 02:41:19 | Pendalar | shoutcast or what not |
| 02:41:39 | Pendalar | rather than mount / load a playlist from my mount dir |
| 02:42:25 | DaJoker | op2 |
| 02:42:39 | DaJoker | seems to be more stable than xmms in most cases |
| 02:43:16 | ljp | op1 can also do streams and is more stable than op2 |
| 02:43:28 | Pendalar | either one require opie though right? |
| 02:43:36 | ljp | no |
| 02:43:48 | ljp | libopie, perhaps |
| 02:43:52 | DaJoker | just libopie IIRC |
| 03:02:59 | Pendalar | I hate document tab reading all the GCC crap on the CF |
| 03:03:18 | Pendalar | and HideCF doesn't work for me, and I forget to run my alt mtab proggie |
| 03:03:34 | Pendalar | hands the desktop forever heh |
| 03:07:46 | ljp | install opie and use medium mount app to hide/choose filepaths for scanning |
| 03:08:53 | Pendalar | like I said before, I don't care much about the rom =-) |
| 03:09:03 | Pendalar | if it has bash, ssh, mount... I'm good |
| 03:09:10 | Pendalar | +gcc |
| 03:13:54 | | Atomic >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=485 |
| 03:13:55 | | backgammon >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=486 |
| 03:13:56 | | BilliardZ >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=16 |
| 03:13:57 | | 3 of 10 shown. See all at http://zaurii.com/zfi/index.phtml?p=r&r=game |
| 03:13:57 | hvarotto | ibot: search zfi for game |
| 03:14:55 | Pendalar | is zaurii more or less up to date than the .de one? |
| 03:38:06 | arrrg | hello.. I was wondering if anyone here uses icewm for zaurus |
| 04:04:59 | Bones3D | arrrg, yeah, but not often |
| 04:34:45 | Zxcvb | is CF really limited to 1,000 writes? |
| 04:35:21 | paq | maybe if you use a sharp pen and press it real hard... |
| 04:36:01 | Zxcvb | so why do the CF memory cards say 1,000 write/erase cycles? |
| 04:36:14 | arrrg | do they? |
| 04:36:33 | Piete | Hi guys :) |
| 04:36:34 | arrrg | do you happen to know how many a SMC gets? |
| 04:36:55 | arrrg | err.. mmc |
| 04:37:16 | badl | mmc is twice the read/writes as cf divided by 2 |
| 04:37:46 | arrrg | so thats like what.. 4 times as many |
| 04:37:48 | arrrg | j/k |
| 04:37:59 | paq | lol |
| 04:38:02 | badl | ;) |
| 04:38:09 | badl | arrrg: yeah something like that |
| 04:38:29 | Piete | I'm trying to upload so mp3s to my SD card, but QTdesktop tells me that it can't have spaces in the name,, Could anyone tell me 1. How I could replace the spaces in a name with |
| 04:38:31 | Piete | _ |
| 04:38:39 | Piete | or make the sd card accept spaces? |
| 04:39:08 | badl | what format is the SD? |
| 04:39:09 | Zxcvb | anyone here had a CF memory card fail from too much use? |
| 04:39:14 | badl | ext2/msdos |
| 04:39:18 | badalex | Zxcvb: i havent |
| 04:39:34 | Piete | badl: I think fat[16/32] |
| 04:39:48 | badl | Piete: reformat to ext2 ;) |
| 04:39:59 | Piete | badl: will that limit me in any way? |
| 04:40:10 | Zxcvb | fat 16/32 both support spaces |
| 04:40:10 | Zxcvb | perhaps the built in media player doesn't |
| 04:40:28 | badl | Piete: it will advance you... the only draw back is that a pc can't read it being formatted ext2 |
| 04:40:29 | Piete | Zxcvb: hmm.. |
| 04:40:39 | Zxcvb | badl: the card won't be readable in dos/windows computers |
| 04:40:46 | Zxcvb | badl: except via the zaurus itself |
| 04:40:51 | Piete | badl: I'm running linux over here.. |
| 04:40:55 | badl | see above |
| 04:41:07 | Zxcvb | I assume os x supports ext2 by now |
| 04:41:10 | Piete | badl: does that mean that qtopia desktop won't be able to read the sd? |
| 04:41:22 | badl | no qtopia can read it |
| 04:41:30 | badl | ext2 will give yu sym-links too |
| 04:41:34 | badl | yu=you |
| 04:41:38 | Piete | kewl.. |
| 04:41:52 | Piete | mkfs.etx2 /dev/mmcda right? |
| 04:42:00 | Piete | ext2 even |
| 04:42:06 | badl | mkfs.ext2 |
| 04:42:10 | badl | yeah |
| 04:42:15 | Zxcvb | I have found that MMC isn't that slow, though I only use it for running software |
| 04:42:17 | badl | make sure the SD is umount-ed |
| 04:42:23 | Piete | ya ;) |
| 04:42:37 | Zxcvb | and installing software to it is kind of slow, but that is rare |
| 04:43:14 | Zxcvb | oh, dancemonkeyboy works fine on the Z too |
| 04:44:46 | Piete | k, formatted ;) |
| 04:45:50 | Piete | oops |
| 04:46:26 | Piete | I think I did something wrong.. When I put the sd card back in, it does not mount.. So I ran dmesg, and it tells me |
| 04:46:34 | Piete | "unable to read superblock" |
| 04:47:55 | Piete | badl? |
| 04:48:35 | sj-laptop | jumps head first into the unknown |
| 04:48:39 | badl | hello? |
| 04:48:48 | Piete | yea.. |
| 04:48:55 | sj-laptop | Piete: Did you just reformat your SD card? |
| 04:49:05 | Piete | sj-laptop: yeap |
| 04:49:30 | sj-laptop | Piete: Did your format /dev/mmccard or /dev/mmcard1 ? |
| 04:49:42 | Piete | /dev/mmcda |
| 04:49:56 | Piete | wrong? |
| 04:50:08 | sj-laptop | That's you problem you basically blew the SD card away. |
| 04:50:17 | Piete | forever |
| 04:50:19 | Piete | ? |
| 04:50:29 | sj-laptop | You need to fdisk it again and format /dev/mmdcard1 |
| 04:50:56 | Piete | ok, so fdisk /dev/mmdcard1 ? |
| 04:51:08 | sj-laptop | No /dev/mmccard |
| 04:51:14 | Piete | ahhh |
| 04:51:15 | Piete | ok |
| 04:51:31 | sj-laptop | You formatted the raw drive and blew agay the partition table. |
| 04:51:42 | sj-laptop | er, blew away |
| 04:51:45 | Piete | ok.. lemme just install fdisk |
| 04:53:02 | br33zy | i did that once.. |
| 04:53:04 | br33zy | i think |
| 04:53:10 | br33zy | i also think its still messed up |
| 04:53:14 | br33zy | except i did it to my cf card |
| 04:53:14 | br33zy | :-D |
| 04:53:26 | Piete | sj-laptop: ok, so /dev/mmccard == /dev/hda.. and /dev/mmdcard1 == /dev/hda1 (reffering to the specific partition number?) |
| 04:53:39 | br33zy | huh? |
| 04:53:46 | br33zy | /dev/mccard = /dev/mccard |
| 04:53:50 | br33zy | hehe |
| 04:53:56 | br33zy | oh |
| 04:53:57 | br33zy | yeah |
| 04:53:58 | br33zy | thats right |
| 04:53:58 | br33zy | :-D |
| 04:54:15 | Piete | i know, i'm just more fammiliar with hdd devs |
| 04:54:25 | br33zy | heh |
| 04:54:28 | br33zy | hda1 is compact flash |
| 04:54:30 | br33zy | :) |
| 04:54:35 | br33zy | i think |
| 04:54:37 | br33zy | ya |
| 04:54:40 | sj-laptop | Piete: The SD card looks just like a disk drive to the Z |
| 04:55:11 | Piete | sj-laptop: what device should I fdisk? I don't have a /dev/mmccard |
| 04:55:42 | sj-laptop | Piete: I might have the dev name wrong. It's been away since I looedk |
| 04:55:44 | br33zy | dont have mmcard? |
| 04:55:50 | br33zy | ls /dev/m* |
| 04:56:38 | Piete | br33zy: only a mmcda and mmcda1 and mmcda2 |
| 04:56:50 | br33zy | its probably mccda |
| 04:56:50 | br33zy | but |
| 04:56:54 | br33zy | dont try it yet |
| 04:56:55 | br33zy | he |
| 04:56:55 | sj-laptop | Piete: That's it. |
| 04:56:55 | br33zy | h |
| 04:57:04 | br33zy | now you try it |
| 04:57:04 | br33zy | :-D |
| 04:57:13 | Piete | lol |
| 04:57:28 | sj-laptop | br33zy: Chicken... ;> |
| 04:57:34 | br33zy | why of course |
| 04:57:35 | br33zy | :) |
| 04:58:06 | Piete | primary, right? |
| 04:58:11 | br33zy | yup |
| 04:58:19 | Piete | and partition #1? |
| 04:58:23 | br33zy | sure |
| 04:58:36 | br33zy | im pretty sure you can choose from minix, fat16, or just ext2 |
| 04:58:45 | br33zy | sj-laptop: right?? |
| 04:59:15 | Piete | ok... for fdisk Should I just choose the default first cylinder && last cylinder? |
| 04:59:49 | sj-laptop | Piete: Yeah. Most card are fmt'ed as 1 part |
| 04:59:55 | Piete | kk |
| 05:00:28 | sj-laptop | is getting might pissed at BitKeeper |
| 05:00:47 | Piete | k.. its created.. now mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 ? |
| 05:01:07 | sjohnson | Piete: Yep. Just like an IDE drive |
| 05:01:36 | Piete | weeeee |
| 05:01:39 | Piete | it worx |
| 05:01:43 | br33zy | lol |
| 05:02:11 | Piete | thanks guys :) |
| 05:02:19 | Piete | anyway, bbl :) |
| 05:02:21 | sjohnson | Piete: My pleasue |
| 05:10:50 | br33zy | ok |
| 05:11:00 | br33zy | sjohnson: ok |
| 05:11:07 | br33zy | now you help me get my 32meg cf card working |
| 05:11:40 | br33zy | what /dev/ is the cf card? |
| 05:11:43 | br33zy | hda? |
| 05:12:12 | sjohnson | br33zy: Hrm Don't recall. Hold on |
| 05:12:17 | br33zy | k |
| 05:12:59 | sjohnson | Dun. Of course, it's /dev/hda. It's under pcmcia control |
| 05:13:04 | br33zy | ok |
| 05:13:05 | br33zy | so |
| 05:13:07 | br33zy | fdisk /dev/hda |
| 05:13:14 | sjohnson | er "Duh"... |
| 05:13:24 | sjohnson | br33zy: Not you me. |
| 05:13:29 | br33zy | huh? |
| 05:13:32 | br33zy | whatever |
| 05:13:34 | br33zy | im in fdisk |
| 05:13:38 | br33zy | do i delete all the partitions? |
| 05:13:41 | br33zy | or just partition 1? |
| 05:13:48 | sjohnson | br33zy: Yes. It's the something are doing a hard drive |
| 05:13:57 | br33zy | all partitions? |
| 05:14:06 | br33zy | delete all? |
| 05:14:38 | sjohnson | br33zy: If you didn't damage the part table. You don't need to redo it |
| 05:14:45 | br33zy | i did damage it |
| 05:14:48 | br33zy | i do need to redo it |
| 05:14:55 | br33zy | it says my cf card is 1.5 megs big |
| 05:14:58 | br33zy | while it is 32 |
| 05:15:09 | sjohnson | br33zy: Then yes, just like Piete{afk} did |
| 05:15:09 | br33zy | so do i delete all my partitions? |
| 05:15:13 | br33zy | ok |
| 05:16:16 | sjohnson | yes delete and just ceate one big one |
| 05:16:20 | br33zy | yup |
| 05:16:21 | br33zy | yay |
| 05:16:23 | br33zy | its done |
| 05:16:39 | sjohnson | fotmat to flavor |
| 05:17:00 | sjohnson | er,format to flavor |
| 05:18:05 | br33zy | hmm |
| 05:18:07 | br33zy | i did |
| 05:18:10 | br33zy | mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda1 |
| 05:18:12 | br33zy | and it all worked |
| 05:18:25 | br33zy | but |
| 05:18:41 | br33zy | when i do a |
| 05:18:44 | br33zy | mount /dev/hda1 |
| 05:18:45 | br33zy | it gives me |
| 05:19:09 | br33zy | mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /mnt/cf failed: Invalid Argument: |
| 05:19:11 | br33zy | mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /mnt/cf failed: Invalid Argument |
| 05:19:13 | br33zy | there |
| 05:19:16 | br33zy | and it wont mount |
| 05:19:55 | sjohnson | br33zy: OZ or Sharp rom image? |
| 05:20:11 | kergoth | br33zy: check your mount options in fstab |
| 05:20:33 | br33zy | OZ |
| 05:20:38 | sjohnson | kergoth: Hey quite stealig my thunder. ;> |
| 05:21:25 | br33zy | my fstab entry is |
| 05:21:36 | br33zy | /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf auto noauto,user,owner 0 0 |
| 05:22:22 | br33zy | oh |
| 05:22:23 | br33zy | wait |
| 05:22:23 | br33zy | nevermind |
| 05:22:24 | sjohnson | br33zy: check /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts. What is FSTYPE=.. ? |
| 05:22:25 | br33zy | it worked |
| 05:22:26 | br33zy | :-D |
| 05:22:30 | br33zy | jsut had to do a |
| 05:22:35 | br33zy | mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf |
| 05:22:36 | br33zy | and all worked |
| 05:22:38 | br33zy | thanks guys |
| 05:23:06 | sjohnson | br33zy: You should have to mount it manually |
| 05:23:14 | sjohnson | br33zy: You should _not_ have to mount it manually |
| 05:23:26 | sjohnson | The pcmcia manager should do it. |
| 05:23:52 | kergoth | wanders off to read a book and lets sjohnson do the user support for a while |
| 05:23:56 | kergoth | ;) |
| 05:24:35 | sjohnson | kergoth: just trying to keep my feet wet. |
| 05:25:31 | br33zy | FSTYPE="auto" |
| 05:27:08 | sjohnson | Then it should mount automatically |
| 05:27:42 | hash | dang... this is like the 4th time i'm flashing my rom this week |
| 05:27:50 | hash | i cant upgrade to the unstable feed |
| 05:32:09 | hash | anyone recommend an upgrade path for the current unstable feed? |
| 05:32:38 | sjohnson | ipkg upgradev |
| 05:32:56 | hash | what? |
| 05:33:26 | hash | if i do an "ipkg upgrade" it hangs on the opie-pics package for hours |
| 05:33:34 | hash | so i ctrl-c it |
| 05:34:21 | sjohnson | How is your free space after that? |
| 05:34:41 | hash | well, i close opie and do it |
| 05:35:01 | hash | so still 3.5 or something |
| 05:35:05 | sjohnson | I talking about jffs space |
| 05:35:14 | hash | me too |
| 05:36:20 | sjohnson | Well You should be able to 'ipkg upgrade opie-pics ' manually and them let the 'ipkg upgrade' finish |
| 05:37:24 | hash | k |
| 05:37:31 | hash | still flashing again |
| 05:38:20 | sjohnson | hash: Kill a ipkg command generally does hurt anything while it's download the ipkg |
| 05:38:34 | hash | it was decompressing the file |
| 05:39:25 | hash | ok... |
| 05:40:08 | sjohnson | Well it shouldn't hurt since it's opie-pics. kernel-modules OTOH could be bad. |
| 05:41:16 | hash | upgrading |
| 05:56:52 | br33zy | can i get opera somehow on OZ? |
| 05:59:35 | sjohnson | br33zy: You would have to remove it from the Sharp Rom |
| 05:59:44 | sjohnson | s/remove/get/ |
| 06:00:34 | Zxcvb | br33zy: there are extraction tools |
| 06:00:47 | Zxcvb | br33zy: google for them |
| 06:00:59 | Zxcvb | br33zy: opera won't work without a wrapper script and an older library, though |
| 06:02:18 | Nighthawk98TJ | quick question all: is it bad to leave my Z on in the cradle with the backlight off all the time? i like to have it accessable on the network when i need it so i can VNC into it and grab addresses when i need them without having to grab it from its cradle.... |
| 06:02:19 | hash | Upgrading opie-datebook from 0.9.1-20021011 to 0.9.1-20021019 |
| 06:02:38 | hash | it's been on this one for the last 10 min now |
| 06:03:04 | sjohnson | hash: Same thing are before. |
| 06:03:06 | hash | Nighthawk98TJ: why would that be bad |
| 06:03:35 | sjohnson | Nighthawk98TJ: It isn't a problem |
| 06:03:50 | Nighthawk98TJ | just wondering if it could wear out the screen or anything |
| 06:04:32 | sjohnson | Nighthawk98TJ: No. It would wear out from that |
| 06:05:10 | Nighthawk98TJ | sjohnson: that WILL wear it out, or was that a typo? |
| 06:05:29 | sjohnson | Nighthawk98TJ: Sorry. Typo. |
| 06:05:35 | Nighthawk98TJ | sjohnson: np, thanks! |
| 06:05:46 | sjohnson | I got a bad habit of thinking a word, but not typing it. |
| 06:05:53 | Nighthawk98TJ | hehe |
| 06:05:54 | Nighthawk98TJ | :) |
| 06:10:46 | Piete | hmm, does anyone know if the Hancom and Opera and Jeode packages created by the hancom/etcCreator works on Opie? |
| 06:11:45 | hash | let it go... or kill it? |
| 06:12:27 | sjohnson | hash: Kill it and upgrade it manually. |
| 06:23:40 | hash | sjohnson: it wont die |
| 06:24:03 | hash | even a -9 wont kill it |
| 06:24:32 | sjohnson | hash: Strange. I guess you have to reboot. |
| 06:27:01 | hash | ok |
| 06:27:04 | hash | the last time this happend |
| 06:27:07 | hash | it wouldnt boot |
| 06:27:13 | hash | but here we go... |
| 06:28:50 | hash | yay |
| 06:32:08 | hash | any suggestions for screen protectors? |
| 06:33:24 | badl | yep |
| 06:33:34 | hash | what? |
| 06:33:34 | badl | PVC transperancy film |
| 06:33:42 | sjohnson | hash: That a personal choice. I preferce the protectors that are installed bwtween the frame and screen |
| 06:33:53 | badl | you know the shit you photocopy onto |
| 06:34:11 | hash | where can i get some? |
| 06:34:24 | hash | between the fram, and the screen? |
| 06:34:24 | badl | go to your local office supplies |
| 06:34:30 | hash | where is the frame, and where is the screen? |
| 06:34:33 | badl | buy an A4 sheet and cut it to size |
| 06:35:08 | badl | get a thin piece of film and you can slide it under the frame which sits ontop of the screen/glss |
| 06:35:10 | badl | glass |
| 06:35:19 | sjohnson | hash: The top part of the Z's case. There is a gap there |
| 06:36:06 | hash | oh, i get it |
| 06:36:26 | badl | good |
| 06:36:29 | hash | i just got the thing like a couple weeks ago, and i'm already getting scratches on the plastic paint |
| 06:36:40 | hash | even under the flap |
| 06:36:49 | badl | yep |
| 06:36:50 | hash | i dont get how the paint gets scraped under that thing |
| 06:37:18 | badl | i put in a screen protector as soon as i got it... my LCD face is a virgin to the stylus |
| 06:37:21 | Piete | kewl!! I just installed zbedic.. Really good imho (I'm used to the 1MB dictonaries for the Palm) :) |
| 06:37:48 | Piete | badl: I wish I could get some screen protectors sooner.. |
| 06:37:51 | hash | Piete: yeah, cool, but the english one doesnt have pronounciation |
| 06:37:59 | badl | Piete: i just made my own ;) |
| 06:38:12 | Piete | badl: clicky? |
| 06:38:25 | Piete | hash: thats ok, I don't talk much :P |
| 06:38:32 | badl | Piete: clicky? |
| 06:38:36 | hash | hmm... |
| 06:38:41 | Piete | badl: link :) |
| 06:38:43 | hash | it did this the last time i upgraded |
| 06:38:51 | Piete | badl: to instructions or something.. |
| 06:39:01 | hash | the boot process just stops at "configuring network interfaces: done." |
| 06:39:08 | badl | Piete: instructions? but the film and side it in! :) |
| 06:39:13 | badl | but=cut |
| 06:39:29 | Piete | badl: yea.. but what kind of film :P |
| 06:39:34 | badl | any |
| 06:39:52 | Piete | sure, I'll put some camera film in my Z's screen :P |
| 06:39:54 | badl | i used PVC film.. the kind of stuff you photo copy transperancies onto |
| 06:40:02 | sjohnson | Piete: Try the kind used for tranparances |
| 06:40:03 | Piete | ahh, cool |
| 06:40:10 | Piete | thanks :) |
| 06:40:35 | sjohnson | Piete: You will have to experiement on getting the size just right. |
| 06:40:46 | Piete | yea.. |
| 06:42:27 | Piete | damn,, this is one awesome little device |
| 06:42:59 | badl | yep |
| 06:43:09 | hash | anyone else see this? |
| 06:43:14 | badl | http://www.sfcave.com |
| 06:43:19 | badl | tell me your hiscore! |
| 06:43:26 | hash | it just haults during the boot process |
| 06:43:36 | Piete | badl: mine is about 921 |
| 06:43:48 | Piete | hash: that sucks! |
| 06:43:50 | badl | thats pathetic! |
| 06:44:08 | Piete | badl: yea, but I only played for 5 minutes |
| 06:44:33 | Piete | http://news.google.com/news?num=30&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&filter=0&q=cluster:www%2eguardian%2eco%2euk%2fworldlatest%2fstory%2f0%2c1280%2c%2d2119828%2c00%2ehtml |
| 06:44:48 | Piete | heh... happy day :/ |
| 06:45:00 | hash | any sfcave ports for qte? |
| 06:45:06 | badl | yes |
| 06:45:16 | | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 06:45:16 | badl | ibot search zfi sfcave |
| 06:45:24 | | No results were found searching ZFI for 'sfcave'. |
| 06:45:24 | badl | ibot search zfi for sfcave |
| 06:45:24 | Piete | lol |
| 06:45:29 | | No results were found searching ZFI for 'worm'. |
| 06:45:29 | badl | ibot search zfi for worm |
| 06:45:35 | | No results were found searching ZFI for 'cave'. |
| 06:45:35 | badl | ibot search zfi for cave |
| 06:45:40 | badl | ibot is lying! |
| 06:45:42 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'worm'. |
| 06:45:42 | Piete | ibot search zsi for worm |
| 06:45:52 | badl | hash: there is one but the gfx for it are lame :( |
| 06:46:15 | Piete | badl: yea, but its still very early in development |
| 06:46:42 | hash | HEH |
| 06:46:43 | badl | i found a kewl 3d -sfcave game |
| 06:46:51 | hash | i used to play this thing on my old palm |
| 06:46:54 | badl | you rock down a 3d tunnel |
| 06:47:20 | | SFCave 1.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=677 |
| 06:47:20 | badl | ibot search zsi for sfcave |
| 06:47:24 | badl | there it is ;) |
| 06:48:02 | Piete | badl: 3d sfcave? neat.. whats it called? |
| 06:48:33 | hash | wtf, it wont boot |
| 06:48:33 | badl | hang on |
| 06:49:10 | Piete | hash: thats strange.. I had some network troubles too last night, but I just reset (not hard reset), and everything worked again |
| 06:49:36 | badl | Piete: http://www.sfcave.com/3dCave/ |
| 06:49:43 | badl | pc/windows though |
| 06:49:50 | Piete | awww :( |
| 06:50:02 | badl | try running through WINE ;) |
| 06:50:15 | Piete | wine is a pain |
| 06:50:33 | badl | yeah i think so too |
| 06:50:34 | sjohnson | Piete: and Windows isn't? |
| 06:50:35 | badl | piece of shit |
| 06:50:51 | Piete | hmm, if I install an app on a CF card, and I eject the card.. Isn't the icon supposed to dissapear? |
| 06:51:59 | badl | 2139 |
| 06:52:02 | badl | yeah! |
| 06:53:04 | hash | mount: Mounting ramfs on /dev failed: No such file or diretory |
| 06:53:04 | ulrivo | hi to all of you |
| 06:53:13 | hash | mknod: /dev/initctl: No such file or directory |
| 06:53:46 | hash | wtf |
| 06:54:05 | ulrivo | nobody talking ? |
| 06:54:20 | hash | hi |
| 06:54:34 | badl | nah |
| 06:54:40 | Piete | yo ulrivo |
| 06:54:47 | badl | hallo |
| 06:54:50 | badl | hi |
| 06:54:51 | ulrivo | hi Piete |
| 06:55:42 | hash | flashing fucking AGAIN |
| 06:56:18 | badl | flashing is an offence in state law! |
| 06:56:46 | sjohnson | is away: calling it a night |
| 07:03:21 | Piete | hums |
| 07:03:30 | badl | to what tune? |
| 07:03:56 | Piete | hmm, its more a like a long monotone, with pauses to breathe |
| 07:04:02 | Piete | :P |
| 07:04:20 | badl | .o0O0o. |
| 07:04:27 | badl | kind of like that? |
| 07:04:42 | Piete | lol yea |
| 07:05:04 | Piete | . o O { - - - } |
| 07:05:16 | badl | brrrmmmmmm |
| 07:05:19 | badl | brrrrmmmmmmm |
| 07:05:23 | badl | goes my ferrari! |
| 07:05:44 | Piete | hmmm, nice,, I a ferrari with a Zaurus :D |
| 07:05:52 | badl | feels like trolling on ICQ ;) |
| 07:06:02 | Piete | hehehe >:) |
| 07:07:25 | Piete | feels like suffering from a SMEF (http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=SMEF&Find=Find) |
| 07:07:42 | Piete | s/like/'like he is' |
| 07:08:55 | badl | a.. System Management and Engineering Facilty |
| 07:09:23 | Piete | no, the one below that :) |
| 07:09:23 | Piete | lol |
| 07:09:34 | Piete | or, 2 above it |
| 07:09:37 | Piete | rathe |
| 07:09:39 | Piete | +r |
| 07:09:43 | badl | hehe |
| 07:13:32 | hash | if this doesnt boot after this upgrade, this is going to REALLY suck |
| 07:14:01 | Piete | hash: what do you think happened to it? |
| 07:14:40 | hash | i have no idea |
| 07:14:47 | hash | just upgraded to the current unstable feed |
| 07:15:16 | hash | it looks like the /dev dir no longer exists |
| 07:15:45 | Piete | eek |
| 07:16:03 | Piete | hash: maybe thats why the call it 'unstable' :P |
| 07:16:13 | hash | T_T |
| 07:17:10 | Piete | hash: :/ |
| 07:25:26 | hash | it must be the opie-base package |
| 07:25:40 | hash | i didnt upgrade that one |
| 07:25:43 | hash | and upgraded the rest |
| 07:25:46 | hash | and it still works |
| 07:34:04 | Piete | damn,, talk about a multitasking PDA : http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4520490885.html |
| 07:52:33 | hash | hmm... |
| 07:52:43 | hash | installing to /mnt/ram doesnt work that well |
| 07:52:53 | hash | the icons dont show up |
| 07:55:44 | hash | .desktop file doesnt get read by the launcher |
| 08:25:57 | omoore | anyone used their cell phone with and ir port as a modem for their zaurus? |
| 08:34:52 | badl | omoore: what about that? |
| 08:35:22 | omoore | badl: i want to do it but don't know how to go about it |
| 08:35:32 | badl | ok hang on |
| 08:36:07 | hash | dang |
| 08:36:17 | hash | mooview package doesnt work on OZ |
| 08:36:21 | hash | so i got the source and compiled it |
| 08:36:25 | hash | it runs |
| 08:36:33 | hash | but the fonts are all messed up |
| 08:37:56 | badl | omoore: check out this page http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ppp-IrDA-howto.html |
| 08:38:02 | omoore | thx |
| 08:41:37 | hash | i'm trying to build qte |
| 08:41:53 | badl | i'm playing sfcave ;) |
| 08:41:55 | hash | i have TMAKEPATH set to linux-ipaq-g++ |
| 08:42:17 | hash | and configuring with -xplatform linux-ipaq-g++ |
| 08:42:33 | hash | but it still uses g++ not arm-linux-g++ as the compiler |
| 08:42:44 | hash | and CXX is set to arm-linux-g++ |
| 08:42:51 | hash | what am i missing? |
| 08:43:11 | badl | a can of jolt? |
| 08:44:42 | hash | yeah, maybe |
| 08:58:54 | XavierXeon | hash: have a llok on my homepage (http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon) under qte you will find my compile and configure scripts, where all shell variables are set for crosscompile |
| 08:59:09 | hash | yeah |
| 08:59:17 | hash | i have tons of variables set |
| 08:59:25 | hash | but qte doesnt use them, does it? |
| 08:59:38 | hash | i have that .goqtarm script |
| 09:00:28 | XavierXeon | most important thing is to set the CROSSCOMPILE variable |
| 09:00:42 | hash | doih |
| 09:00:45 | hash | for real? |
| 09:00:51 | hash | that isnt even in there |
| 09:00:59 | hash | XavierXeon: what should it be set as? |
| 09:01:47 | XavierXeon | for me its CROSSCOMPILE=/opt/Embedix/tools |
| 09:02:25 | hash | what about for skiff? |
| 09:02:45 | XavierXeon | skiff ? |
| 09:03:12 | hash | skiff's cross compiler toolkit |
| 09:03:40 | hash | XavierXeon: what is inside tools? |
| 09:04:36 | XavierXeon | tools? on my homepage ? |
| 09:04:44 | hash | CROSSCOMPILE=/opt/Embedix/tools |
| 09:04:55 | hash | are the compiler binaries there? |
| 09:05:00 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 09:05:28 | hash | arm-linux-g++ and stuff is right in there? |
| 09:05:35 | hash | no sub dirs or anything? |
| 09:06:31 | XavierXeon | xx:/opt/Embedix/tools # ls |
| 09:06:32 | XavierXeon | . .. arm-linux bin lib |
| 09:06:43 | hash | k |
| 09:07:14 | hash | wtf |
| 09:07:31 | hash | it must ignore -xplatform now |
| 09:08:56 | hash | -xplatform is supposed to tell it to use arm-linux-* |
| 09:08:56 | hash | isnt it? |
| 09:09:35 | hash | it will only use arm-linux-g++ if i do make CXX=arm-linux-g++ |
| 09:09:39 | hash | but then it doesnt link |
| 09:09:46 | hash | cus it tries to use /usr/bin/ld or something |
| 09:11:14 | XavierXeon | i dont use -xplatform, but then i use tmake for generating the Makefile |
| 09:11:24 | hash | for qte? |
| 09:11:37 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 09:12:21 | XavierXeon | TMAKEPATH=$MASTERDIR/tmake-1.8/lib/qws/linux-sharp-g++/ |
| 09:13:04 | XavierXeon | MASTERDIR is where i have compiled qte && qtopia and have tmake |
| 09:13:05 | hash | /usr/local/tmake-1.8/lib/qws/linux-arm-g++ |
| 09:13:13 | hash | that's where mine is |
| 09:13:39 | XavierXeon | i think you need the linux-sharp-g++ if you want to compile qtopia code |
| 09:13:52 | hash | what? |
| 09:14:05 | badl | arm-linux-g++ |
| 09:14:30 | XavierXeon | you need -lqte and -lqpe linker flags |
| 09:14:59 | hash | still, linux-sharp-g++, linux-arm-g++, linux-ipaq-g++ very simular |
| 09:15:04 | hash | shouldnt make that much of a difference |
| 09:15:15 | XavierXeon | just try it. |
| 09:15:49 | hash | nope |
| 09:16:02 | hash | still tries to use g++, not arm-linux-g++ |
| 09:16:14 | hash | btw, i'm still using the configure script |
| 09:16:23 | badl | type this |
| 09:16:34 | badl | CXX=arm-linux-g++ ; ./configure |
| 09:16:46 | hash | i have that set |
| 09:16:52 | badl | ok |
| 09:17:06 | hash | if i do make CXX=arm-linux-g++ |
| 09:17:11 | hash | it does use that |
| 09:17:19 | hash | but then i get this |
| 09:17:56 | hash | it fails when it tries to use ld |
| 09:18:01 | hash | /usr/bin/ld: mocgen.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 40) |
| 09:18:04 | hash | it is using the wrong ld |
| 09:18:22 | badl | what is your LD_LIBRARY_PATH= set to? |
| 09:18:52 | hash | /opt/arm/qt-2.3.4-snapshot-20021007/lib:/skiff/local/lib |
| 09:19:10 | XavierXeon | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 09:19:11 | XavierXeon | is my path |
| 09:20:05 | hash | that isnt the problem... it's not using the right tools to compile |
| 09:20:45 | XavierXeon | do you run a script to set the variables and then do a make or is the make command in the script ? |
| 09:21:01 | hash | i have a script that sets vars |
| 09:21:04 | hash | and then i run make |
| 09:21:44 | XavierXeon | i had the same problem after running the script to set the variables the reverted back to the values in my bashrc after the script was finished |
| 09:21:46 | badl | how do you run the script? source? |
| 09:22:08 | hash | yup |
| 09:22:47 | hash | belive me, the basic vars like CXX, CC, LD_LIB*, LD and stuff is set |
| 09:23:15 | hash | damn QTE's config script doesnt set the right tools |
| 09:23:22 | hash | i can build other stuff just fine |
| 09:28:12 | hash | it older version of QTE doesnt do this |
| 09:28:26 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/desktop/gideon.png <-- Z dev with kdevelop 3.0 |
| 09:29:26 | hash | uses good old vim |
| 09:29:30 | badl | XavierXeon: are you writning that app? |
| 09:29:43 | hash | actually now qte2.3.2 does the /usr/bin/ld: mocgen.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 40) |
| 09:29:43 | hash | thing too |
| 09:29:51 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 09:30:06 | XavierXeon | not kdevelop 3.0 the code you see in the pic |
| 09:30:21 | badl | yeah |
| 09:31:08 | hash | i dont think i could leave vim |
| 09:31:27 | XavierXeon | i want a class browser |
| 09:32:02 | badl | vim/vi.. bah |
| 09:32:34 | XavierXeon | hash: if everything else fails you can download my devlopment stuff from my homepage |
| 09:32:50 | XavierXeon | but its only qte 2.3.2 |
| 09:33:26 | hash | hmm... |
| 09:33:33 | hash | i need to know why it isnt using the right ld |
| 10:26:04 | Debolaz | Does anyone know of a site with good hi-res pictures of zaurus? |
| 10:35:00 | Bovine | ibot search google for Zaurus Hi-res pictures |
| 10:35:00 | | Bovine: Google can't find Zaurus Hi-res pictures |
| 10:35:06 | Bovine | ibot search google for Zaurus Hires pictures |
| 10:35:06 | | Bovine: Google can't find Zaurus Hires pictures |
| 10:35:10 | Bovine | ibot search google for Zaurus pictures |
| 10:35:11 | | Bovine: Google can't find Zaurus pictures |
| 10:35:14 | Bovine | hmm |
| 10:35:16 | Bovine | growls menacingly at ibot! |
| 10:35:20 | Bovine | ibot search google for Zaurus |
| 10:35:21 | | Bovine: Google can't find Zaurus |
| 10:35:22 | Bovine | lol |
| 10:35:26 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 10:35:26 | Bovine | ibot die |
| 10:35:28 | badl | ibot search google for "Zaurus" |
| 10:35:29 | | badl: Google can't find Zaurus |
| 10:35:35 | badl | ibot is fuct ;) |
| 10:35:53 | Bovine | PicoBot search google for Zaurus Pictures |
| 10:36:06 | Bovine | PicoBot moo |
| 10:36:07 | PicoBot | rumour has it moo is the sound a cow makes or the sound the bovine makes |
| 10:36:11 | Bovine | hmm |
| 10:36:15 | Bovine | PicoBot search google for Moo |
| 10:36:20 | Bovine | bleh |
| 12:38:22 | Twiun | hiya xml0 |
| 12:38:41 | xml0 | hi |
| 14:02:54 | prpplague | wow this is too cool - http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/25/1636215&mode=thread&tid=95 |
| 14:07:17 | Twiun | prpplague: Yup - that is quite interesting... although I don't tend to use E-cards all that much - and outlook not at all :-D |
| 14:09:13 | prpplague | Twiun: me either, but i love how ppl blindly agree to EULA's |
| 14:09:34 | Twiun | yeah |
| 14:42:34 | MellenZaurus | awfully quiet here ;) |
| 14:43:20 | smee|h | moo |
| 14:43:48 | MellenZaurus | no wait! i just heard a cow |
| 14:43:52 | JupiterJoe | everybody working on ports ;-) |
| 14:44:12 | smee|h | :) |
| 14:44:26 | MellenZaurus | nice ;) ... i'm trying out zic |
| 14:45:30 | smee|h | opie-irc is another option (although I havent tried it) |
| 14:45:46 | Piete | anyone here have a 650W dlink card? |
| 14:45:50 | Piete | MellenZaurus: yea |
| 14:47:30 | MellenZaurus | i need something wireless. it's tough writing with this pen |
| 14:48:01 | Piete | I just want to get kismet working, but I'm completely lost :/ |
| 14:48:35 | MellenZaurus | whats that? |
| 14:49:03 | smee|h | Piete: still? ;) |
| 14:49:50 | Piete | ya |
| 14:50:33 | MellenZaurus | i can only find a gui for kismet |
| 14:51:04 | Piete | MellenZaurus: yea, but its something about my rom containing old drivers |
| 14:52:11 | MellenZaurus | ah. well. ive only had my zaurus for a few days now |
| 14:53:07 | Piete | me too :) |
| 14:53:23 | MellenZaurus | oh hehe |
| 14:53:35 | coup | Piete: Kismet, install the following packages: kismet & qt-kismet, then you'll find it VERY easy to get going |
| 14:54:13 | Piete | coup: I know,, it works.. but the driver on sharps rom does not support pcap or something.. so kismet can't detect any nets |
| 15:15:14 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 15:17:59 | Piete | morning |
| 15:26:55 | Twiun | hiya Cloudchaser |
| 15:28:50 | Cloudchaser | :) whats new with you Twiun? |
| 15:31:04 | Piete | top |
| 15:31:05 | Twiun | not terribly much... getting to grips with my TS driver for java, but that's about it |
| 15:31:24 | Cloudchaser | TS driver? |
| 15:31:43 | Cloudchaser | ah touch screen :) |
| 15:31:50 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 15:31:54 | Twiun | yup |
| 15:32:07 | Cloudchaser | any luck on the job front? |
| 15:32:41 | Twiun | 3 interested places, but no interviews lined up yet, so it's a waiting game ;-) |
| 15:34:09 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 15:34:34 | Piete | Damn, I just turned my Palm IIIc on again.. eaghhh I can't stand its screen |
| 15:34:41 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:37:49 | Toykeeper | I wanted a palmIIIc once. |
| 15:38:14 | Toykeeper | More than once, really... |
| 15:38:26 | Toykeeper | Just not worth that much money. |
| 15:39:25 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:39:29 | Toykeeper | Hmm. Any word on when the OZ will get a newer kernel? |
| 15:40:05 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 15:40:33 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 15:40:36 | TheMasterMind1 | Toykeeper: not for a while |
| 15:40:40 | ljp | not till after 3.0 |
| 15:41:00 | Piete | Does OZ run java apps? |
| 15:42:05 | chouimat | Piete: personnality I prefer colombian |
| 15:43:50 | Piete | chouimat: colombian? |
| 15:44:06 | Toykeeper | Tastes better? |
| 15:44:11 | chouimat | hehe |
| 15:44:28 | Piete | lol |
| 15:48:01 | Piete | hi ajksharma |
| 15:48:29 | ajksharma | hi there |
| 15:49:33 | ajksharma | what projects are you guys involved in? |
| 15:49:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:49:48 | TheMasterMind1 | openzaurus |
| 15:49:55 | ljp | opie |
| 15:50:19 | ajksharma | what is it exactly? |
| 15:50:43 | TheMasterMind1 | www.openzaurus.org |
| 15:51:09 | smee|h | what do I need to add to my makefile to invoke moc correctly? |
| 15:51:32 | ljp | write a pro files, and use tmake to make a makefile |
| 15:51:45 | smee|h | ljp |
| 15:51:48 | smee|h | er |
| 15:52:00 | smee|h | ljp: thanks |
| 15:52:04 | ljp | :D |
| 15:52:41 | smee|h | :) Qt people dont tend to write their makefiles by hand? |
| 15:53:18 | ajksharma | Is openzaurus an Linux embedded os, or just a Desktop like Kde? |
| 15:53:53 | ljp | pro and tmake/wmake is the way to go |
| 15:54:00 | ljp | eerr qmake |
| 15:54:41 | ljp | opie is the gui on the openzaurus distribution |
| 15:55:09 | ljp | opie is to openzaurus what qtopia is to Embedix |
| 15:55:38 | ljp | well,... gotta run.. bbl |
| 15:56:04 | smee|h | cu |
| 16:02:28 | Microdim | does anybody know if gpe will run on the zaurus? |
| 16:02:43 | Toykeeper | http://handhelds.org/scap/ screenshots of ipaqs and zauruses. |
| 16:03:06 | Toykeeper | Yes, gpe will run on it. But it'll be a pain (at the moment) because gpe requires X11 instead of opie. |
| 16:03:43 | Toykeeper | X11 on the zaurus is ... lacking right now. Difficult to set up, and has a few problems. |
| 16:04:41 | TheMasterMind1 | no its not |
| 16:04:47 | TheMasterMind1 | well, its not on OpenZaurus |
| 16:05:07 | TheMasterMind1 | it's going to get even easier very soon |
| 16:05:12 | TheMasterMind1 | we're working on a bootmenu |
| 16:05:14 | Microdim | well I can setup x11, |
| 16:05:23 | TheMasterMind1 | so you can select between opie/x11/picogui |
| 16:05:28 | TheMasterMind1 | /console |
| 16:05:33 | Microdim | but does gpe just run on top off x? |
| 16:05:36 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 16:05:59 | Toykeeper | Heh. I don't much care about the boot menu. (neat, but only if you want more than one of those interfaces) |
| 16:06:06 | Toykeeper | But it would be nice to be able to shut off the backlight. |
| 16:06:10 | Toykeeper | And rotate the screen. |
| 16:06:14 | TheMasterMind1 | in what? |
| 16:06:15 | Microdim | oh ok cool, is pico gui even worth it? |
| 16:06:19 | Toykeeper | And tell how much battery is left. |
| 16:06:28 | Toykeeper | Er, in X11. |
| 16:06:30 | TheMasterMind1 | Microdim: um? picogui is the greatest thing since sliced bread |
| 16:06:47 | Toykeeper | picogui is the only reason I'd consider not using X11. |
| 16:06:47 | TheMasterMind1 | its amazing |
| 16:07:12 | Toykeeper | Hmm. |
| 16:07:35 | Toykeeper | I suppose I should either get back to work, or try to build tinyX from the OZ repository. |
| 16:07:56 | Toykeeper | TheMasterMind1: You've played with X on Z? :) |
| 16:08:00 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 16:08:04 | TheMasterMind1 | on openzaurus |
| 16:08:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i was running fluxbox the other day |
| 16:08:29 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/tinyx/ if you want to install it |
| 16:08:32 | Toykeeper | Did you get screen rotation to work? |
| 16:08:41 | TheMasterMind1 | Toykeeper: rotated sideways? |
| 16:09:01 | TheMasterMind1 | its easy to rotate, just change the X file that starts X |
| 16:09:11 | Toykeeper | Yeah, rotated sideways and upside-down after starting X11. |
| 16:09:13 | TheMasterMind1 | this is a different build than what's available on ZSI |
| 16:09:20 | Toykeeper | Using xrandr to change whenever you want. |
| 16:09:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 16:09:44 | TheMasterMind1 | we can cross compile and package that with tinyx i guess |
| 16:10:37 | Toykeeper | I'm mostly interested in integrating the x11 changes into the sources used for familiar, and making a xserver-tiny-sl5000 package for fam-unstable. |
| 16:10:58 | Microdim | TheMasterMind1: can you direct me to a screen shot? |
| 16:11:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 16:11:06 | TheMasterMind1 | Microdim: dont' have one |
| 16:11:16 | TheMasterMind1 | the tinyx stuff for OZ right now is very limited |
| 16:11:25 | Toykeeper | It'd also be neat to get a buttond program working, to launch things from the Z's buttons. |
| 16:11:27 | TheMasterMind1 | we have icewm/fluxbox and rxvt |
| 16:11:28 | TheMasterMind1 | that's about it |
| 16:11:58 | Toykeeper | I had my ipaq set up with all sorts of neat key shortcuts. Point a direction and X11 rotates that way, for example. |
| 16:12:10 | Microdim | what about a site with info about pico gui |
| 16:12:23 | Toykeeper | OZ doesn't really need many X11 programs though. Just grab them from familiar. |
| 16:12:52 | TheMasterMind1 | Microdim: picogui.org |
| 16:13:29 | TheMasterMind1 | PicoBot: faq |
| 16:13:29 | PicoBot | faq is the Frequently Asked Questions list, at http://picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/FAQ |
| 16:13:34 | TheMasterMind1 | PicoBot: picogui |
| 16:13:34 | PicoBot | picogui is at http://picogui.org or a new GUI architecture created for embeddeed systems or the niftiest hack in the world |
| 16:13:37 | | picogui is an small and scalable embedded GUI. More info in the #picogui channel or at http://picogui.org. Read the FAQ or not pico gui or pico-gui or even cooler than sliced cheese or see "picogui faq" |
| 16:13:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot picogui |
| 16:15:48 | smee|h | lovely fonts |
| 16:18:42 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
| 16:22:58 | Toykeeper | TheMasterMind1: What is different about the tinyX you posted? I see that the filesystem layout is much different, but what about the build-time options and such? |
| 16:23:26 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure, i'm not the one maintaining it. i can look in the buildroot and tell you |
| 16:23:37 | Toykeeper | Heh, okay. |
| 16:23:59 | TheMasterMind1 | unset CC ; make -C $(SourceTree) World |
| 16:24:00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:24:06 | TheMasterMind1 | its just a normal build |
| 16:24:13 | TheMasterMind1 | Description = Built a Tiny-X server based on the Ipaq configuration |
| 16:24:14 | TheMasterMind1 | Sources = ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.1.0/source/X410src-1.tgz ; \ |
| 16:24:14 | TheMasterMind1 | $(TOPDIR)/packages/$(Name)/$(Name).tar.gz |
| 16:24:38 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: hey |
| 16:25:00 | killefiz | hey |
| 16:25:40 | killefiz | can someone tell me how to move files with opies advancedfm? |
| 16:25:50 | smee|h | heh, I was wondering that |
| 16:33:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:33:31 | TheMasterMind1 | its easy |
| 16:33:40 | TheMasterMind1 | in the first tab you go to where the file is |
| 16:33:44 | TheMasterMind1 | second tab is where you want to move it |
| 16:34:06 | TheMasterMind1 | then hold click on the file in the first tab |
| 16:34:08 | TheMasterMind1 | actions -> move |
| 16:44:35 | Piete | Nite Guys! |
| 16:49:16 | | wifi is see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 16:49:16 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 16:54:34 | | well, battery is made by Danionics http://www.danionics.com/products/icphh02.asp |
| 16:54:34 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot battery |
| 16:54:38 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search for battery |
| 16:59:06 | Toykeeper | TheMasterMind1: thanks for the link for tinyX.. The libraries there, though older, fixed one problem I was having. :) |
| 16:59:34 | TheMasterMind1 | Toykeeper: older? |
| 16:59:55 | Toykeeper | They're for 4.1.. I had been using the 4.2 libs from fam-unstable. |
| 17:00:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ah i see |
| 17:00:04 | Toykeeper | But those newer xlibs have a bug with window titles. |
| 17:00:11 | TheMasterMind1 | we were having problems cross compiling 4.2 |
| 17:00:16 | TheMasterMind1 | so we decided to stick with 4.1 |
| 17:01:41 | Toykeeper | I've still got a few 4.2 libs there (whatever yours didn't provide), but at least now I have proper window titles. :) |
| 17:02:37 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 17:03:42 | Toykeeper | Oh well. No xrandr, but at least xrender works. |
| 17:05:10 | Toykeeper | Not that I ever have much need to rotate anyway. |
| 17:05:37 | PascalS | I'm looking for a http library for the Z, I am using wget for the time being, but I'd prefer to use a regular library. |
| 17:06:39 | Toykeeper | libcurl? |
| 17:06:48 | Toykeeper | What language are you using? |
| 17:07:05 | PascalS | C++ |
| 17:07:24 | TheMasterMind1 | should i write ipkg in php |
| 17:07:26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm.. |
| 17:07:31 | TheMasterMind1 | ponders some more |
| 17:07:47 | Toykeeper | You've been talking to hardwire lately, haven't you... |
| 17:08:43 | Toykeeper | He's got half his Z running on php... I've got half mine running on python. |
| 17:09:04 | PascalS | Isn't the Z slow enough? |
| 17:09:25 | PascalS | loves tcl, but would not dream of only using Tcl apps on the Z |
| 17:09:33 | Toykeeper | Python is plenty fast... the only really slow part is importing gtk. |
| 17:10:20 | TheMasterMind1 | php is fast |
| 17:10:28 | smee|h | isnt the main issue the space python/php/tcl takes up? |
| 17:10:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire's a php freak too eh? |
| 17:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 17:10:31 | Toykeeper | I used tcl for a year or so. Just long enough to realize I really dislike it. Perl, python, php, ruby, .. most other languages are preferable.. |
| 17:10:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i could rewrite ipkg in php and it'd be so much better |
| 17:10:48 | PascalS | Tcl can be tiny. Doesn't have to be, but can be. |
| 17:10:50 | TheMasterMind1 | not rewrite ipkg really |
| 17:10:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i just want a better alternative |
| 17:10:55 | Toykeeper | Heh. ipkg was a shell script for a long time. |
| 17:10:57 | TheMasterMind1 | with not so many bugs and stuff |
| 17:11:03 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, i remember that |
| 17:11:16 | TheMasterMind1 | the question though is is it worth it to write it in php |
| 17:11:25 | TheMasterMind1 | because the php binary is big |
| 17:11:36 | TheMasterMind1 | you know, it doesn't really matter |
| 17:11:38 | Toykeeper | The php binary is big, but smaller than perl or python would be. |
| 17:11:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't care if anyone else uses it either |
| 17:12:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i just want something i can use without being afraid of it fucking up and having to work around all the bugs |
| 17:12:36 | smee|h | TheMasterMind1: maybe you should focus your efforts on fixing the existing ipkg ;) |
| 17:12:44 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i've contemplated that |
| 17:12:50 | Toykeeper | Well, the sole purpose of ipkg is to avoid the space required by apt/dpkg... I suppose execution speed is a consideration too. |
| 17:12:59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:13:03 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme look at ipkg code |
| 17:13:12 | smee|h | yeah - just port rpm :) |
| 17:13:13 | TheMasterMind1 | its just c |
| 17:13:15 | Toykeeper | In a couple years we'll probably have space for apt/dpkg anyway. |
| 17:13:17 | TheMasterMind1 | i might as well improve it |
| 17:13:26 | TheMasterMind1 | the thing with php though is i could use all the cool features |
| 17:13:26 | smee|h | TheMasterMind1++ |
| 17:13:32 | TheMasterMind1 | not have to depend on wget etc |
| 17:13:38 | TheMasterMind1 | and php is so easy to work with |
| 17:13:50 | PascalS | Couple of years? why not now, almost everyone has an SD card stuck into his/her Z |
| 17:13:52 | TheMasterMind1 | and it has the cool ncurses support too |
| 17:14:45 | wParam | what is it about apt/dpkg that makes it take up so much space? |
| 17:14:53 | TheMasterMind1 | its just not optimized for space |
| 17:15:05 | TheMasterMind1 | there's just stuff you could do without |
| 17:15:09 | TheMasterMind1 | that would save space |
| 17:15:14 | wParam | aah |
| 17:15:57 | TheMasterMind1 | with php i can download and extract and do pretty much everything else without depending on externel apps |
| 17:16:05 | TheMasterMind1 | like half the time wget fails and ipkg has no idea whats going on |
| 17:16:56 | Toykeeper | My debian system has 62MB of apt/dpkg data. |
| 17:17:08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:17:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ick, C is a pain to work with |
| 17:17:49 | wParam | mmm, C |
| 17:18:11 | TheMasterMind1 | i have nothing against C, but php is so much easier to do stuff in |
| 17:18:28 | TheMasterMind1 | no? |
| 17:18:47 | Toykeeper | Heh. Yeah. I got spoiled by perl, python, and php. I'm too lazy for C now. |
| 17:18:48 | wParam | yeah, i know... C never tries to make things easy for you |
| 17:19:09 | TheMasterMind1 | python is a good alternative too |
| 17:19:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i like all the modules it has |
| 17:19:30 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk opengl tk etc etc etc |
| 17:19:33 | TheMasterMind1 | there's like tons and tons of em |
| 17:19:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ruby is a sexy language |
| 17:20:06 | TheMasterMind1 | php would probably be the smallest of all the choices for the Zaurus |
| 17:20:28 | TheMasterMind1 | and everything is just built into one binary |
| 17:20:44 | TheMasterMind1 | and i might even be able to compile the app into a binary |
| 17:20:52 | Toykeeper | Python is the sexiest language I've used, for power, language style, and ease of use. |
| 17:20:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to talk to this guy who's working on a php compiler |
| 17:20:55 | Toykeeper | But I love C in many ways too. |
| 17:21:24 | wParam | hasn't found a non-C non-functional language that deosn't drive him crazy yet |
| 17:21:25 | TheMasterMind1 | C is great, its just a pain in the ass |
| 17:21:32 | wParam | i should really look into python or something |
| 17:21:36 | TheMasterMind1 | python is nice |
| 17:21:38 | TheMasterMind1 | ruby is nice |
| 17:21:39 | TheMasterMind1 | php is nice |
| 17:21:42 | TheMasterMind1 | perl is nice |
| 17:21:43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:21:58 | chouimat | is nice |
| 17:22:09 | Toykeeper | pets chouimat |
| 17:22:16 | smee|h | caramel chocolate digestives are nice |
| 17:22:19 | Toykeeper | I hope you're furry. |
| 17:22:29 | chouimat | start to purr |
| 17:22:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:22:38 | TheMasterMind1 | i want a serial cable for my Z |
| 17:22:42 | TheMasterMind1 | so i can use it with the gps |
| 17:23:34 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: so, compared to C, how much space would you need if you used (python/ruby/perl/php)? |
| 17:23:59 | smee|h | lots |
| 17:24:03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:24:08 | TheMasterMind1 | the php binary is pretty big |
| 17:24:12 | TheMasterMind1 | like 1.5megs |
| 17:24:33 | TheMasterMind1 | so it'd be huge, unless i can find a way to compile it with only the php func definitions i use |
| 17:24:46 | wParam | grr, is there an easy way to tokenize a QString? i really don't want to fall back on while (*buffer && ...) buffer++ loops |
| 17:25:00 | Toykeeper | Heh. Compiled C programs are SO much smaller than php/perl/python/ruby interpreters... |
| 17:25:06 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 17:25:33 | Twiun | it'd be nice if native compilation was readily available for those alternative languages |
| 17:25:59 | TheMasterMind1 | sure would |
| 17:26:01 | Toykeeper | Compiling interpreted languages doesn't make a whole lot of sense. |
| 17:26:02 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be awesome |
| 17:26:06 | TheMasterMind1 | sure it does |
| 17:26:25 | Toykeeper | You end up with a binary almost as big as (or bigger than) the regular interpreter. |
| 17:26:39 | TheMasterMind1 | well, yes |
| 17:26:45 | TheMasterMind1 | but if it wasn't big |
| 17:26:47 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be cool |
| 17:26:54 | Toykeeper | If you just don't want a client to see the source code, it can be a good idea... but I can't think of many other uses. |
| 17:27:06 | TheMasterMind1 | like the way you'd do a php compiler would be to compile only the parts of the php source that were actually used by the php code into the binary |
| 17:27:10 | TheMasterMind1 | leave out all the junk |
| 17:27:39 | TheMasterMind1 | simple in theory, just a pain to implement |
| 17:28:15 | smee|h | parrot does some of those things I guess |
| 17:28:20 | TheMasterMind1 | parrot? |
| 17:28:22 | smee|h | (has some of those aims) |
| 17:28:35 | Toykeeper | I usually either go for rapid prototyping in an interpreted language, ... or write it in C and make it as fast/small as I can. With as few dependencies as possible. |
| 17:28:47 | smee|h | perl6 interpreter |
| 17:28:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 17:28:52 | smee|h | http://www.parrotcode.org/faq/#what_is_parrot |
| 17:29:02 | TheMasterMind1 | but rapid + fast/small = awesome |
| 17:29:23 | Twiun | Why must an interpreted language be 'interpreted'? Is the interpreted word some kind of "satan's mark"? |
| 17:29:23 | PascalS | Tcl can compile its scripts. |
| 17:29:28 | Toykeeper | fast, good, cheap. Pick two. |
| 17:29:47 | Twiun | hey X |
| 17:29:57 | TheMasterMind1 | if it doesn't need to be interpretted, its not an interpreted language |
| 17:30:06 | TheMasterMind1 | being able to do both would rock |
| 17:30:20 | Twiun | my point - what makes it so that doing both isn't possible? |
| 17:30:34 | Toykeeper | Maybe someday it will be. |
| 17:30:35 | PascalS | But compiling Tcl compiles to a interpreter version, not to a platform |
| 17:31:14 | Twiun | but things like JET and gcj compile java to native... plus a few extra bits |
| 17:31:23 | Twiun | so there are possibilities there |
| 17:31:53 | Toykeeper | Most of the time, an "interpreted" program is compiled to bytecode by the interpreter, then interpreted as bytecode by the interpreter. |
| 17:32:25 | Toykeeper | If you "compile" it, you just get the interpreter + bytecode in one file, without the source or source->bytecode functionality. |
| 17:33:07 | Twiun | that used to be the case - JET for example actually compiles the whole of it to native and adds a small interpreter for that 'dynamic' classloading |
| 17:33:24 | chouimat | Twiun: JET? |
| 17:33:25 | Twiun | if you're willing to ditch the classloading, you have a native app |
| 17:33:48 | Twiun | chouimat: Java->native windows app, no linux :-( |
| 17:33:53 | Toykeeper | Doesn't JET compile for speed reasons, and end up with something just as big? |
| 17:34:11 | Toykeeper | Or am I thinking of something else? |
| 17:34:31 | Twiun | Toykeeper: if you mean just as big as the 14mb jre, then no... the JET executables I remember used to be about the 2mb mark, that was 2 years ago |
| 17:34:54 | Twiun | things have apparently got better, but I've moved from the NT world to linux |
| 17:35:07 | Twiun | granted, 2mb is still big for a gui app |
| 17:35:21 | Twiun | but this *is* windows we're talking about ;-) |
| 17:35:42 | Toykeeper | Hmm. An automatic assembly refactoring recompiler would probably work... if such a thing existed. |
| 17:36:18 | Twiun | chouimat: http://www.excelsior-usa.com/jetlatest.html |
| 17:36:20 | Toykeeper | But it's near-impossible to determine which parts of the code are intended and which are extra crap. |
| 17:36:24 | chouimat | if only gcj as a qt based awt and swing classes |
| 17:36:33 | Twiun | just noticed another proggy called JET that does the same thing... |
| 17:36:35 | Toykeeper | Or how to make an equivalent but smaller program. |
| 17:36:57 | Twiun | chouimat: gcj is still very gui-limited unfortunately |
| 17:37:58 | Twiun | Toykeeper: but wr to JET, you're absolutely right, they did it to boost performance |
| 17:41:43 | Toykeeper | Optimizing assembly code based on higher-level language source (bytecode, even) is much easier than reducing the size of language features without breaking the code that uses them. |
| 17:42:30 | Twiun | I agree... what would be nice would be to be able to capture the compiled bytecode from a JIT |
| 17:43:47 | smee|h | can I use showMainWidget() an arbitrary number of times or should I just call it once per application? |
| 17:44:00 | Toykeeper | You could probably do automated program mutations which evaluate changes based on equivalent program behavior... |
| 17:44:12 | Toykeeper | People have used this technique on very small programs to make them even smaller. |
| 17:44:27 | Twiun | Yeah, I remember reading something on that a while back - very interesting |
| 17:44:42 | Toykeeper | But that only worked because the programs had very, VERY limited essential behavior. |
| 17:46:02 | chouimat | Twiun: just modify tya to output the assembly code |
| 17:46:14 | wParam | speaking of code size, if I instantiate a template class in lots of .cpp files, will I end up with lots of copies of the same code in the binary? or does the linker figure it out and only put it in once (assuming I use the same template arguments all the time) |
| 17:47:15 | Toykeeper | I think it does multiple copies. At least, last time I used templates (shiver), it generated separate copies of the source and then compiled them all. |
| 17:47:22 | Twiun | chouimat: good idea, I'll push it on my gigo queue and see what pops out... |
| 17:48:09 | Toykeeper | Er, I think it makes one copy for each *type* you use the template with.. not for each instance of each type. |
| 17:48:26 | wParam | ok. that's what I thought |
| 17:48:40 | wParam | i guess it would be totally absurd if it was each instance |
| 17:48:49 | Toykeeper | Not that I'd know. I haven't used templates for years... |
| 17:49:04 | Toykeeper | Most of C++ makes me twitch. |
| 17:49:16 | chouimat | Twiun: and this way we can end with a real java compiler :) |
| 17:49:26 | wParam | i'm not using them by choice, but I don't have a C implementation of a map I can pull in, so... |
| 17:50:00 | wParam | wishes the zaurus wasn't based on a C++ gui kit |
| 17:50:45 | Toykeeper | You don't have to use opie. |
| 17:52:08 | wParam | what else is there though? Is there a C binding for QT? |
| 17:52:21 | wParam | it's probably too late to switch languages anyway |
| 17:52:26 | wParam | though i would if i could switch to c |
| 17:53:07 | chouimat | wParam: yes but I won't recommand it |
| 17:53:19 | wParam | there is? |
| 17:54:36 | chouimat | in kde cvs |
| 17:55:38 | wParam | no, no... I'd better not look into it |
| 17:55:49 | wParam | i'd probably waste a lot of time trying to get it to work |
| 17:56:05 | chouimat | wParam: it work but it's for qt3 so ... |
| 17:56:37 | wParam | well, trying to compile it, learn it, and change my program over to using it |
| 17:56:50 | wParam | would take more time than it's probably worth |
| 17:57:18 | chouimat | wParam: and GUI in C sucks IMHO |
| 17:57:40 | wParam | nods |
| 17:58:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm back |
| 17:58:32 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: so |
| 17:58:36 | chouimat | :) |
| 17:58:42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:00:58 | TheMasterMind1 | [01:09:25] <chouimat> Phalynx: your cat is smarted than mine. mine just want to watch some pussies on the net |
| 18:01:24 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 18:02:10 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: problem with that? |
| 18:04:25 | sonja | hey, has someone ever tried to port the rp pppoe for direct dsl connect to the zaurus? |
| 18:06:56 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 18:08:08 | sonja | to connect the zaurus to the internet without the need of a proxy server |
| 18:09:38 | Boog | no proxy with a wireless card and an accesspoint :-) |
| 18:10:40 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: why did you post that quote without the context? |
| 18:11:33 | sonja | no proxy intermediate to my dsl model (i'm using the circumstantial but functioning net cable) |
| 18:11:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i just thought it was funny.. |
| 18:11:53 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: good one heh? |
| 18:11:59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:12:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:12:35 | TheMasterMind1 | sonja: it should be fairly easy to port, but i don't think anyone has |
| 18:12:55 | sonja | may someone could give me a tip what to change in the code concerning the arm architecture |
| 18:13:28 | sonja | i tried to port, it compiled without any proble, but no PADO packages are registered by the AC |
| 18:14:31 | Toykeeper | wParam: Er, other than opie, you could use X11 or picogui. |
| 18:15:10 | scanline | wParam: picogui is language-neutral |
| 18:15:23 | br33zy | wahoooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 18:15:24 | br33zy | all done |
| 18:15:34 | chouimat | br33zy: ?? |
| 18:15:41 | wParam | nah... can't get X11 to run right on my z |
| 18:16:41 | Toykeeper | I finally set up X11 on my Z last week. It was easier than I expected. |
| 18:16:54 | Toykeeper | But not easy enough that I'd recommend it for most people. |
| 18:17:14 | scanline | should set up X11 on his Z |
| 18:17:16 | KeyserSoze | how's it run? |
| 18:17:17 | KeyserSoze | slow? |
| 18:17:21 | scanline | any client/server GUI plus 802.11 is fun |
| 18:17:22 | KeyserSoze | or really slow? |
| 18:17:36 | xml0 | is there a zaurus emulator? |
| 18:17:44 | Toykeeper | Uh, it runs about an order of magnitude faster than Qt. |
| 18:17:57 | chouimat | xml0: qvfb :) |
| 18:17:57 | scanline | Anything runs faster than Qt, basically |
| 18:18:26 | Toykeeper | I bet picogui is another order faster than X11... |
| 18:18:33 | wParam | i got x installed, but it caused problems in QT. (I don't want to totally ditch qt) |
| 18:18:44 | victorvdl | Toykeeper: two or three orders faster. |
| 18:18:46 | TheMasterMind1 | qt sucks |
| 18:18:55 | wParam | i think the x touch screen daemon kept me from resuming after suspend in QT |
| 18:18:55 | Toykeeper | Oh, yeah. Using X11 and opie together is problematic. |
| 18:18:58 | TheMasterMind1 | use OZ |
| 18:19:13 | hash | is installing stuff to /mnt/ram supposed to work? |
| 18:19:15 | KeyserSoze | is surprised QT sucks so hard. /me thought the slowness was hardware oriented. |
| 18:19:15 | victorvdl | TheMasterMind1: X sucks more. |
| 18:19:18 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm yea that can't be good |
| 18:19:26 | scanline | victorvdl: bah |
| 18:19:27 | TheMasterMind1 | victorvdl: no it doesn't |
| 18:19:29 | hash | the files sure go there, but launcher doesnt know of the new .deskotp files and no icons |
| 18:19:38 | PascalS | didn't have a really bad experience with Qt |
| 18:19:42 | scanline | X sucks, but not as much as Qt usually |
| 18:19:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hash: using ipkg ? |
| 18:19:44 | Toykeeper | victorvdl: ever actually used X on a Z? |
| 18:19:49 | hash | TheMasterMind1: yup |
| 18:19:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hash: on OZ? |
| 18:19:58 | victorvdl | Toykeeper: yup, sure thing. |
| 18:20:01 | wParam | will probably try OZ once his compact flash writer gets here sometime next week |
| 18:20:01 | Toykeeper | Okay. :) |
| 18:20:05 | scanline | TinyX is plenty fast enough for the zaurus |
| 18:20:06 | hash | TheMasterMind1: yup |
| 18:20:15 | Saurian | You around Bones? }:) |
| 18:20:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hash: do ipkg-link add package-name |
| 18:20:20 | scanline | X gives you a lot more flexibility than Qt |
| 18:20:21 | TheMasterMind1 | or ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram |
| 18:20:24 | TheMasterMind1 | and restart opie |
| 18:20:24 | victorvdl | scanline: maybe, but it still sucks. |
| 18:20:25 | TheMasterMind1 | and it will show up |
| 18:20:28 | hash | ok |
| 18:20:30 | hash | thanks |
| 18:20:37 | scanline | victorvdl: of course X sucks, but not as much as most people think |
| 18:20:41 | chouimat | scanline: the QT programming model is quite good but the framebuffer implementation need some tuning |
| 18:20:42 | victorvdl | scanline: (more than qt, anyway) |
| 18:20:49 | xml0 | ah, forgot about qvfb |
| 18:20:56 | xml0 | or whatver fb |
| 18:21:08 | scanline | really dislikes Qt's architecture |
| 18:21:11 | Toykeeper | X would have been replaced long ago... if it were feasible to replace or migrate the programs written for it. |
| 18:21:19 | TheMasterMind1 | agrees with scanline |
| 18:21:28 | KeyserSoze | thinks everyone should figure out which sucks worse, out of QT and X. |
| 18:21:36 | scanline | is somewhat high right now... so this music is really cool |
| 18:21:41 | victorvdl | KeyserSoxe: X |
| 18:21:42 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 18:21:42 | scanline | yay for espresso! |
| 18:22:11 | | HELLO KITTY gang terrorizes town, family STICKERED to death! |
| 18:22:11 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 18:22:14 | Toykeeper | Using Qt's architecture made me wake it night in a cold sweat. It was very demotivating, and I never finished that project. |
| 18:22:23 | PascalS | If I want to compile against curl for the Z, I should probably put the contents of the curl.ipk in /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/* right? |
| 18:22:50 | victorvdl | wants to find a cheap wifi card, so he can use keypebble to do *anything* on his Z. |
| 18:23:00 | wParam | Toykeeper: I feel your pain. I'm dealing with it now :) |
| 18:23:21 | hash | anyone want an opie working mooview2? |
| 18:23:22 | br33zy | victorvdl: how about wcf12? |
| 18:23:32 | PascalS | victorvdl: in the .nl the sitecom wl007 is cheap (106 euros) |
| 18:23:45 | chouimat | thinks that the problem people feels about QT are in reality about C++ |
| 18:23:46 | Toykeeper | It didn't help that I was stuck on a cold desolate island in hundreds of miles from land during that project. :) |
| 18:23:53 | Toykeeper | But Qt doesn't use C++. |
| 18:24:02 | Toykeeper | It uses, um.. its own language. |
| 18:24:02 | PascalS | Toykeeper: Oh yes it does |
| 18:24:07 | victorvdl | br33zy/PascalS: Huh? Explain yourselves, please. |
| 18:24:19 | br33zy | isnt the wcf12 a wifi card? |
| 18:24:31 | br33zy | linksys wcf12 i think it was 63 bucks |
| 18:24:35 | br33zy | (american) |
| 18:24:36 | victorvdl | br33zy: What is the wcf12? |
| 18:24:39 | | br33zy: what? |
| 18:24:39 | br33zy | ibot wcf12 |
| 18:24:41 | chouimat | Toykeeper: try MFC and you will love QT |
| 18:24:57 | Toykeeper | Heh! Good point. :) |
| 18:25:13 | br33zy | victorvdl: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10328126&loc=101 |
| 18:25:21 | victorvdl | chouimat: try MFC, and you will love *anything*. even *gasp* Cobol. |
| 18:25:25 | br33zy | its an 802.11b card |
| 18:25:48 | PascalS | victorvdl: the sitecom WL007 is a CF WLAN card. |
| 18:25:55 | wParam | MFC is the reason I still do all my windows gui stuff in win32 |
| 18:26:05 | wParam | and my gui's always suck, but at least I stay sane |
| 18:26:07 | chouimat | the NeXTstep to MFC transition for a projects was .... well a nightmare |
| 18:26:13 | PascalS | MFC? you've got to be kidding! |
| 18:26:24 | victorvdl | PascalS: where can you get it, and for how much? |
| 18:26:45 | PascalS | Well, in europe, for one. I see you connect in the .us somewhere :) |
| 18:27:07 | PascalS | victorvdl: Check www.sitecom.com |
| 18:27:08 | victorvdl | PascalS: Yes. |
| 18:28:12 | | i heard wifi was see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 18:28:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 18:28:31 | chouimat | victorvdl: I have a very nice management app wrote in Cobol |
| 18:29:09 | PascalS | How do you teach ibot things? |
| 18:29:14 | victorvdl | chouimat: sure, you can probably maybe make something nice in Cobol. |
| 18:29:30 | PascalS | ponders about Cobol on a Z... |
| 18:30:39 | smee|h | hmm, I 'd really like a terminal for the Z that did the same as the handwriting window and pushed the rest of the desktop up |
| 18:31:04 | scanline | How about just a way to run multiple apps concurrently? |
| 18:31:15 | scanline | dislikes how Qtopia/Opie force you to only run apps fullscreen |
| 18:31:16 | victorvdl | smee|h: that should be possible, make a terminal input plugin... |
| 18:31:32 | chouimat | victorvdl: I hate the language but we got this assigment : write a videoclub management app in cobol. lut of fun |
| 18:31:33 | smee|h | scanline: yeah |
| 18:31:54 | scanline | I mean, sure you're usually going to want fullscreen, but at least give the user choices |
| 18:32:22 | victorvdl | scanline: sure, write a patch and throw it at the Opie guys. |
| 18:32:48 | PascalS | scanline: When you use qpe on your dev machine, you can trick it into going into windowed mode. Maybe you can do the same on a Z |
| 18:33:50 | wParam | and java apps on the Z always run windowed |
| 18:33:59 | wParam | except most of them are usually sized to look fullscreen |
| 18:34:56 | Twiun | wParam: that's because there's no 'maximised' setting, so our windows are movable... |
| 18:35:02 | Twiun | wParam: it sucks ;-) |
| 18:35:29 | smee|h | I wouldnt want all sorts of window management stuff really, just a way of splitting the available screen horiz/vert and putting apps in each frame maybe |
| 18:36:00 | chouimat | hmm 14h37, I think I will eat something |
| 18:37:10 | thehomeslice | looking to find out if the sl-5500 is the latest and greatest. Anything newer in the works? |
| 18:37:23 | scanline | victorvdl: I might if I were interested in using Opie ;) |
| 18:37:26 | treke|home | thehomeslice: its the latest and greatest at the moment |
| 18:37:30 | | new zaurus is http://world.altavista.com/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobilenews.ne.jp%2Fnews%2F2002%2F10%2F01%2Fceatec%2F01sharp.html&lp=ja_en&tt=url or http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/event/ceatec2002/images/photo_big_07.jpg or FASTER page at http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/ or http://mobile1.mobilenews.ne.jp/news/2002/10/01/ceatec/01.jpg or http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/2401.html |
| 18:37:30 | smee|h | ibot new zaurus |
| 18:37:36 | treke|home | thehomeslice: there will eventually be new ones |
| 18:37:37 | smee|h | but there's no release date |
| 18:37:46 | smee|h | afaik |
| 18:37:56 | treke|home | smee|h: the US release date is never :) |
| 18:38:00 | smee|h | ! |
| 18:38:10 | smee|h | boo - I want one :) |
| 18:38:17 | | that is too long, treke|home |
| 18:38:17 | treke|home | ibot: new zaurus is also a new model of the JAPANESE zaurus |
| 18:38:19 | noda | Isn't there a new Zaurus coming out early November that nobody's supposed to know about? |
| 18:38:30 | thehomeslice | that is pretty sweet |
| 18:38:33 | treke|home | early November/December |
| 18:38:35 | | noda: huh? |
| 18:38:35 | noda | ibot sl5600 |
| 18:38:38 | noda | shrugs. |
| 18:38:46 | thehomeslice | worth a trip to tokyo... |
| 18:38:51 | | smee|h: wish i knew |
| 18:38:51 | smee|h | ibot secret mystery stuff? |
| 18:38:58 | | SL-5600 is probably the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. or the next US model to be released or rumors indicate the next zaurus version will be released on nov 1st |
| 18:38:58 | noda | ibot SL-5600 |
| 18:39:04 | | sl-5600 is the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. or the next US model to be released or rumors indicate the next zaurus version will be released on nov 1st |
| 18:39:04 | victorvdl | ibot sl-5600 |
| 18:39:22 | thehomeslice | thanks for the info |
| 18:39:35 | thehomeslice | waiting for that price drop |
| 18:39:45 | victorvdl | Ask Ben Meyer, he works for sharp on the Z now. |
| 18:40:23 | smee|h | more apps that do this sort of thing: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=585 |
| 18:40:41 | smee|h | that's just a matter of using QApplication rather than QPEApplication I think |
| 18:41:16 | treke|home | smee|h: thats an applet |
| 18:41:48 | smee|h | treke|home: applet != QPEApplication? |
| 18:41:56 | treke|home | its meant to pop up |
| 18:42:17 | smee|h | yeah - which is what I'd like my terminal app to do |
| 18:42:44 | smee|h | (athough that's not what I just said :) ) |
| 18:52:51 | George- | argh |
| 18:52:55 | George- | 20 new emails |
| 18:52:56 | George- | lol |
| 18:53:35 | chouimat | George-: school? |
| 18:54:29 | smee|h | why does the qte distro have header files in it for widgets that arent available |
| 18:55:13 | ljp | cause you can configure it how ever you want |
| 18:55:47 | smee|h | as any subset of qt2.3.2? |
| 18:56:33 | smee|h | thinks the configurator could remove the headers too |
| 18:56:58 | George- | chouimat: no |
| 18:57:19 | chouimat | George-: :( |
| 18:57:25 | chouimat | George-: just kidding :) |
| 18:58:07 | smee|h | ...and I've yet to find a list of what's available in the Z qte |
| 18:58:26 | treke|home | smee|h: smee|h its in the qpe source |
| 18:58:54 | treke|home | probably also in the sdk |
| 18:59:04 | smee|h | hm, ok thanks |
| 18:59:23 | treke|home | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/qt/qconfig-qpe.h?rev=1.2&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 19:00:11 | smee|h | thanks :) |
| 19:00:49 | smee|h | #define QT_NO_SPLITTER - that's what I was looking for |
| 19:01:07 | smee|h | I want one :) |
| 19:03:57 | ljp | why? |
| 19:04:05 | treke|home | compile your own qt :) |
| 19:04:36 | smee|h | :) |
| 19:05:05 | treke|home | you wouldnt be the first |
| 19:05:09 | smee|h | ljp: I want a widget with 2 listviews and ~I want control over the relative sizings |
| 19:05:42 | ljp | you'll have to simulate that |
| 19:06:26 | smee|h | aye |
| 19:06:31 | ljp | or, I suppose you can always import the qsplitter into your app |
| 19:06:39 | ljp | try, rather |
| 19:06:57 | smee|h | unsure how :) |
| 19:07:32 | ljp | copy qsplitter.cpp and qsplitter.h into your dir, add it.. comment the EXPORT macro |
| 19:08:05 | smee|h | interesting :) I'll try that - thanks ljp |
| 19:08:13 | ljp | might have other files to do that to also.. and it may not work, due to other things missing from qconfig |
| 19:08:52 | smee|h | ok - we'll see |
| 19:10:01 | George- | chouimat: I got Mac OS X Jaguar |
| 19:10:03 | George- | chouimat: :))) |
| 19:10:21 | smee|h | curses, I have to redownload |
| 19:11:57 | chouimat | George-: I don't have a Mac yet |
| 19:12:07 | George- | chouimat: oh |
| 19:12:08 | George- | chouimat: hehehe |
| 19:12:17 | George- | thinks Jaguar is not worth the 100 GBP |
| 19:12:35 | [CoCo] | hi! |
| 19:12:44 | George- | hey |
| 19:12:54 | chouimat | George-: will get it when I will get my Mac |
| 19:13:02 | George- | chouimat: hehehe |
| 19:13:13 | chouimat | hmm a color computer his only |
| 19:13:18 | chouimat | hmm a color computer his online |
| 19:14:13 | [CoCo] | question for anyone willing to answer ..I'm considering buying a PDA ..and I seem to love the Zaurus..but I can't try it here in Italy..I've seen the Palm ...nice ..I've seen the iPaq..nicer ..what about the zaurus ? |
| 19:14:33 | George- | [CoCo]: wait for the new Z |
| 19:14:40 | George- | [CoCo]: it looks sooooo sweet |
| 19:14:55 | [CoCo] | george is there any place where to see it (web) or read about it ? |
| 19:14:57 | chouimat | [CoCo]: buy the one the suit more your need |
| 19:15:38 | George- | [CoCo]: yes, but I can't remember the address |
| 19:15:38 | smee|h | what new Z? |
| 19:15:41 | Toykeeper | [CoCo]: for basic PIM use, get a cheap Palm. If you want linux on your PDA, get a zaurus or ipaq. |
| 19:15:43 | smee|h | this one: |
| 19:15:43 | [CoCo] | chouimat sounds like a good answer :') are u happy with ur zaurus (if u have one) ? |
| 19:15:47 | | i think new zaurus is http://world.altavista.com/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobilenews.ne.jp%2Fnews%2F2002%2F10%2F01%2Fceatec%2F01sharp.html&lp=ja_en&tt=url or http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/event/ceatec2002/images/photo_big_07.jpg or FASTER page at http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/ or http://mobile1.mobilenews.ne.jp/news/2002/10/01/ceatec/01.jpg or http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/2401.html |
| 19:15:47 | smee|h | ibot new zaurus |
| 19:15:56 | | sl-5600 is the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. or the next US model to be released or rumors indicate the next zaurus version will be released on nov 1st |
| 19:15:56 | chouimat | ibot sl-5600 |
| 19:16:11 | [CoCo] | kewl |
| 19:16:13 | treke|home | [CoCo]: If you want to be able and do things like mp3 and video go for either a zaurus or an ipaq |
| 19:16:20 | chouimat | [CoCo]: i'm happy with my palm and m,y z |
| 19:16:26 | [CoCo] | how log does the batteries last ? |
| 19:16:33 | [CoCo] | loNg |
| 19:16:37 | George- | [CoCo]: The Z is useless at PIM, btw |
| 19:16:48 | treke|home | George-: speak for yourself |
| 19:16:50 | chouimat | [CoCo]: palm about a month, z 4.3hrs |
| 19:17:03 | George- | treke|home: ? |
| 19:17:05 | [CoCo] | George- is it ? how comw ? |
| 19:17:17 | xml0 | the palm does 720 hours? |
| 19:17:22 | xml0 | that's pretty neat |
| 19:17:29 | treke|home | George-: You may not find the PIM apps useful, but they are perfectly useful for many people |
| 19:17:34 | chouimat | xml0: 33Mhz processor |
| 19:17:50 | treke|home | xml0: No, but the batteries will last for a month with "normal" use |
| 19:17:56 | Cloudchaser | i like the pim stuff just fine |
| 19:17:57 | George- | treke|home: I don't use the PIM :) |
| 19:17:57 | Cloudchaser | does all that i need it to do |
| 19:18:05 | George- | treke|home: I'm just voicing what other ppl say |
| 19:18:08 | Cloudchaser | holds phone numbers and appointments |
| 19:18:09 | treke|home | George-: so then dont call it useless |
| 19:18:14 | George- | (what *lots* of other people say) |
| 19:18:22 | Cloudchaser | others might expect too much |
| 19:18:29 | treke|home | xml0: gets like 24 or so hours of actually use |
| 19:18:30 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: i miss a Datebook5 like app on the z |
| 19:18:36 | Cloudchaser | i never used that |
| 19:18:39 | [CoCo] | I wouldn't expect anything more than a Palm device |
| 19:18:41 | Cloudchaser | never used a palm |
| 19:18:43 | treke|home | George-: and lots of people find the built in palm apps useles |
| 19:18:56 | smee|h | datebook5 clone would be great for the Z |
| 19:18:57 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: www.pimlicosoftware.com |
| 19:18:59 | Cloudchaser | that dbook thing is 3rd party no? |
| 19:19:01 | George- | let's cut the flamewar, ok? |
| 19:19:13 | chouimat | smee|h: yup |
| 19:19:41 | xml0 | so you should say 11 days versus 30 days then |
| 19:19:49 | xml0 | if you use each one 0.4 hours per day |
| 19:20:22 | xml0 | hardly suprising given the additional functionality of the z |
| 19:20:40 | chouimat | xml0: I did 38 days on the last AAA batteries on my m125 (used about 2hrs a day) |
| 19:21:01 | Toykeeper | I could use my palm IIIx for ~2 hours/day for about 3 months on a set of batteries. |
| 19:21:10 | Toykeeper | I took notes on it during class. |
| 19:21:41 | [CoCo] | so ...does the zaurus lasts only some hours for real ? |
| 19:21:58 | treke|home | [CoCo]: right. Same with the ipaq |
| 19:22:03 | chouimat | [CoCo]: the ipaq too |
| 19:22:29 | xml0 | as long as it lasts a day using 802.11 then I can live with it. naturally, I'd prefer more |
| 19:22:34 | treke|home | Although the current ipaqs do a bit better since they have significantly larger batteries |
| 19:22:39 | Toykeeper | Yeah, probably 1-6 hours depending on what you're doing with it. |
| 19:22:47 | [CoCo] | that sucks :) I see |
| 19:23:20 | treke|home | [CoCo]: Some of the newer palms have similar problems. Color screens suck up juice like mad :) |
| 19:23:29 | Toykeeper | My ipaq lasted 3 hours sitting idle with the backlight on at around 10%. 802.11 makes it last half as long. |
| 19:23:32 | smee|h | wireless CF cards too |
| 19:23:45 | chouimat | [CoCo]: yes, playing exult eat the battery |
| 19:23:45 | Bruton | check the japanese site for all the latest release info on the SL range |
| 19:23:48 | [CoCo] | treke|home the day when they'll develop better batteries is still too far ! |
| 19:23:58 | treke|home | [CoCo]: Might want to decide what you want to do on it. |
| 19:24:16 | Bruton | SL-A300 |
| 19:24:50 | [CoCo] | thank you all guys for the info |
| 19:24:58 | Toykeeper | Yes. For basic addressbook, calendar, memo, and todo functionality, I'd just recommend a cheap palm. M105 or something. |
| 19:25:01 | treke|home | Bruton: The japanese site doesnt apply to the rest of the world :) |
| 19:25:28 | chouimat | Toykeeper: the m125 it has a SD slot |
| 19:25:34 | [CoCo] | yup..but having java and linux makes it easier and more appealing |
| 19:26:02 | Toykeeper | Well, the zaurus is one hell of a sexy PDA. :0 |
| 19:26:04 | Toykeeper | Er, :) |
| 19:26:30 | chouimat | [CoCo]: if you want to program for it go for the z or the ipaq but the palm is fun to program too (just harder but doable) |
| 19:26:38 | chouimat | ducks |
| 19:26:47 | George- | Toykeeper: PDA FUCKER! |
| 19:26:50 | George- | =P |
| 19:27:00 | treke|home | [CoCo]: if you want basic pim, multimedia, a keyboard, and a fun platform to program, the Z is a good choice |
| 19:27:10 | chouimat | notes that George- is not at school :) |
| 19:27:52 | George- | chouimat: grrr |
| 19:28:20 | chouimat | hehe |
| 19:28:20 | George- | chouimat: I will *never* chat on this chan from school EVER again |
| 19:28:20 | George- | :) |
| 19:28:41 | chouimat | George-: lost your right to do IRC :) |
| 19:29:20 | George- | chouimat: bah |
| 19:29:26 | George- | chouimat: It was illegal from school anyway |
| 19:29:28 | George- | :) |
| 19:29:46 | George- | "YOU MAY NOT USE INTERNET CHAT SYSTEMS OR YOU WILL DIE!!!!!" |
| 19:29:55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:29:58 | George- | "(same applies for using Unix boxen)" |
| 19:30:10 | TheMasterMind1 | "you may not have sex in the girls locker room" |
| 19:30:20 | chouimat | George-: one of my friend got trouble in university because he had a rio |
| 19:30:25 | George- | rio? |
| 19:30:33 | chouimat | George-: mp3 player |
| 19:30:51 | George- | wtf? |
| 19:30:55 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf indeed |
| 19:30:58 | TheMasterMind1 | what fucking uni was that |
| 19:30:59 | George- | bomb that uni |
| 19:31:12 | chouimat | George-: you don't have the right to have any mp3 on the campus |
| 19:31:18 | treke|home | ha |
| 19:31:29 | treke|home | brilliant policy |
| 19:31:38 | George- | ROFL |
| 19:31:50 | George- | DRM crap? |
| 19:31:57 | chouimat | treke|home: even if you have the original CD |
| 19:32:14 | George- | chouimat: that's just... stupid |
| 19:33:02 | chouimat | George-: I passed on the discipline commity because I have a minidsic player |
| 19:33:06 | George- | thank god my housemaster at school doesn't have a clue about computers :) |
| 19:34:05 | George- | I remember coming back from holiday, and within 5 minutes of getting back he came up to me and goes "My computer is broken, fix it" |
| 19:34:07 | chouimat | George-: the policy states you can use a computer to pirate music in any way |
| 19:34:38 | George- | can or can't? |
| 19:34:41 | chouimat | so the tape deck are ok |
| 19:34:47 | chouimat | s/ca/can't |
| 19:35:10 | George- | hrmm |
| 19:36:25 | chouimat | George-: since I didn't live on the campus they told me to not bring my minidisc at school and to only have original CD in my discman |
| 19:36:44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:36:47 | TheMasterMind1 | what bullshit |
| 19:37:17 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: but stupidly enough copied tape are ok |
| 19:37:25 | George- | LOL |
| 19:37:47 | George- | are the guys running the place on crack? |
| 19:38:15 | chouimat | no they get paid by corporation ... |
| 19:38:25 | George- | ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! |
| 19:39:05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:39:06 | TheMasterMind1 | so |
| 19:39:09 | Bruton | does anyone in here work for Sharp? |
| 19:39:10 | TheMasterMind1 | if you have a .kjdf file |
| 19:39:14 | TheMasterMind1 | which is actually an mp3 |
| 19:39:16 | TheMasterMind1 | is that ok? |
| 19:39:20 | George- | Bruton: benmeyer, JasonNJ and Sniper |
| 19:39:33 | Bruton | which Sharp do they work for? |
| 19:39:36 | George- | Bruton: but none of them are online :) |
| 19:39:40 | ljp | usa |
| 19:39:40 | George- | Bruton: USA branch |
| 19:39:43 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: .ogg are ok :) |
| 19:39:44 | Bruton | ahh |
| 19:39:44 | jbardin | what is the app that will tell you what files are open and what not? |
| 19:39:46 | jbardin | fsstat? |
| 19:39:52 | Bruton | I work for UK |
| 19:39:55 | George- | TheMasterMind1: .kjdf? |
| 19:40:15 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: lol, that's great |
| 19:40:21 | TheMasterMind1 | just use ogg |
| 19:40:25 | TheMasterMind1 | mp3 sucks anyway |
| 19:40:28 | George- | rofl |
| 19:40:32 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: because they didn't know the format when they did the "the napster policy" |
| 19:40:39 | George- | I need to convert my MP3 collection though |
| 19:41:09 | chouimat | George-: .kjdf a renamed mp3 with another extention:) |
| 19:41:42 | George- | chouimat: lol |
| 19:42:09 | George- | so rename blah.mp3 -> comp_science_paper.pdf or something? :) |
| 19:42:16 | Cloudchaser | converting mp3 to ogg might nit yield nice results |
| 19:42:20 | Cloudchaser | might *not* that is |
| 19:42:23 | Bruton | does anyone else from UK come in here that you know of? |
| 19:42:36 | Bruton | George- |
| 19:42:47 | chouimat | George-: I used .dat |
| 19:43:16 | George- | Bruton: me? |
| 19:43:32 | George- | Bruton: mark.. |
| 19:43:37 | George- | I dunno about any others |
| 19:43:46 | ljp | bruton: yep, alot of Redcoats come in here :D |
| 19:43:47 | Bruton | does mark work for sharp?? |
| 19:43:52 | George- | Bruton: no |
| 19:43:55 | George- | ;) |
| 19:43:56 | Bruton | k |
| 19:44:12 | Bruton | have you seen the new SL yet? |
| 19:44:38 | xml0 | I'm in london |
| 19:44:57 | chouimat | xml0: so I'm in Quebec City |
| 19:45:00 | George- | Bruton: Which one? |
| 19:45:06 | George- | I'm in London |
| 19:45:07 | George- | blah |
| 19:45:14 | George- | I'm in the northern hemisphere |
| 19:45:18 | Bruton | sl-a300 |
| 19:45:25 | | I don't know WHY I said that ... I think it came from the FILLINGS in my read molars ... |
| 19:45:25 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 19:45:31 | George- | Bruton: I have seen pictures of it, haven't seen it in real life |
| 19:45:34 | | Somewhere in DOWNTOWN BURBANK a prostitute is OVERCOOKING a LAMB CHOP!! |
| 19:45:34 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 19:45:35 | George- | Bruton: I own 2 5000Ds |
| 19:45:51 | Bruton | I repair 5000d's |
| 19:46:42 | chouimat | George-: want to build a beowulf with 5000Ds? |
| 19:46:43 | George- | do you? |
| 19:46:50 | ljp | hehe |
| 19:46:58 | ljp | overclock a z |
| 19:46:59 | Bruton | yup |
| 19:47:15 | chouimat | ljp: distributed pim :) |
| 19:47:38 | ljp | fastolfe had overclocked his Z.. but it got way too hot |
| 19:47:46 | Bruton | George have you managed to screw your rom image up yet? |
| 19:47:53 | jbardin | yea i woudl imagine you could only do that if you had the cover off |
| 19:48:32 | smee|h | Bruton: there are A300s in the UK? |
| 19:48:45 | George- | chouimat: er.. no thanks :) |
| 19:48:53 | George- | Bruton: no |
| 19:48:55 | Bruton | no ive only seen a pre-release version that the Japs bought over with them |
| 19:48:57 | George- | Bruton: I'm not that stupid :) |
| 19:49:05 | smee|h | ah I see |
| 19:49:24 | George- | ljp: what did he overclock it to? |
| 19:49:24 | chouimat | any way to add more memory to a 5000D? |
| 19:49:28 | George- | chouimat: no |
| 19:49:39 | Bruton | I just wondered how you sort it out in the US if you screw it up. I get a lot in UK with screwed ROM |
| 19:49:42 | smee|h | can put swap on a CF/SD I guess |
| 19:50:04 | George- | Bruton: how do you fix it? |
| 19:50:34 | Bruton | I wipe the Board with some software then put it on using the CF card |
| 19:50:43 | George- | oh |
| 19:50:48 | George- | what software do you wipe with? :) |
| 19:50:53 | chouimat | smee|h: In school, we have done a distributed swap system. |
| 19:50:58 | Bruton | im not alowed to tell anyone |
| 19:51:10 | George- | grrrrrrr |
| 19:51:12 | Bruton | TOP SECRET :)# |
| 19:51:16 | George- | why not? :) |
| 19:51:29 | George- | who told you? |
| 19:51:50 | smee|h | chouimat: how's that work? |
| 19:51:52 | Bruton | Im not sure why. I was instructed never to tell anyone how. |
| 19:52:03 | smee|h | you can tell us :) |
| 19:52:12 | chouimat | smee|h: we put the swap files on an NFS server :P |
| 19:52:18 | smee|h | ah, heh :) |
| 19:52:19 | jbardin | haha |
| 19:52:22 | jbardin | its probably a shell script |
| 19:52:27 | Bruton | The guy from Japan on the training course |
| 19:52:31 | smee|h | I thought you meant something l33ter ;) |
| 19:52:57 | Bruton | oh George you need a cable that fits into the bottom of the SL aswell# |
| 19:53:31 | chouimat | smee|h: and the network admins (the windows one ) never understand why the lan was overloaded :) |
| 19:54:34 | chouimat | smee|h: imagine that 50 linux boxen swaping over the network :) |
| 19:54:45 | George- | Bruton: grmbl |
| 19:54:54 | George- | searches Google |
| 19:55:31 | ljp | fires up the vercel |
| 19:55:35 | smee|h | especially those underspecced ones you get at school :) |
| 19:55:42 | chouimat | smee|h: we got a good grade for that experiment :) |
| 19:56:08 | smee|h | was the experiment a psycology one involving windows admins? |
| 19:56:37 | George- | Bruton: tell us!!! |
| 19:56:59 | chouimat | smee|h: no. was about using mutlicomputers to distribute the load |
| 19:57:16 | smee|h | ah, hehe, just kidding |
| 19:57:27 | chouimat | smee|h: we get the 100Mb/s net to his knees |
| 19:57:30 | Bruton | secret |
| 19:58:14 | George- | Bruton: grmbl |
| 19:58:17 | Bruton | there are only 4 people in the world that know how :) |
| 19:58:24 | smee|h | hehe, then heavingy loading the 50 boxes |
| 19:58:27 | George- | Bruton: how much do you charge for it? |
| 19:58:30 | smee|h | heavily |
| 19:58:59 | chouimat | smee|h: conclusion: that approach his usable if we use a) a faster network b) fewer boxen c) a dedicated network for the swapping |
| 19:59:10 | Bruton | what the software or the service? |
| 19:59:13 | smee|h | :) |
| 19:59:17 | George- | the service :) |
| 19:59:29 | smee|h | swapping over nfs is a valid thing to do (as a last resort) |
| 19:59:49 | smee|h | I guess |
| 19:59:52 | Bruton | I think we charge £48 per hour |
| 19:59:53 | chouimat | smee|h: hehe |
| 20:00:13 | George- | WTF??? |
| 20:00:17 | George- | that's evilly expensive |
| 20:00:17 | smee|h | that's a zaurusworth every day! |
| 20:00:24 | chouimat | smee|h: or a better netwrok fs |
| 20:00:34 | smee|h | aye |
| 20:01:35 | smee|h | from the swapon manpage: 'Swap over NFS may not work.' :) |
| 20:01:55 | smee|h | solaris make no such statement though |
| 20:02:02 | chouimat | smee|h: the admin are not able to administrate correctly a win2k netwrok so imagine a beowulf. that why we chose to put the swapfiles on only one box |
| 20:02:06 | BeefCake | does anyone know html well in here? |
| 20:02:24 | Techie2000 | I know HTML pretty well |
| 20:02:33 | smee|h | BeefCake: I hope not, but maybe |
| 20:02:49 | BeefCake | http://sig.ath.cx/modules/news/linux/linux.html |
| 20:02:51 | Bruton | who is html |
| 20:03:02 | BeefCake | tell me what is wrong with that source and why it isn't linking to the big picture. |
| 20:03:32 | chouimat | smee|h: one of the guy that did the experiment with me is doing a master thesis on that subject (using a protocol designed for that application) |
| 20:03:44 | Techie2000 | Okay let me check it over |
| 20:04:06 | smee|h | I wish I'd done a computer science degree rather than a physics one - sounds much more interesting :) |
| 20:04:11 | Bruton | youve got the link wrong thats why |
| 20:04:16 | George- | I wrote an HTML Editor for the Z, but I don't know HTML |
| 20:04:19 | George- | ducks |
| 20:04:22 | chouimat | smee|h: swapfs :) |
| 20:04:43 | Bruton | try <a href="http://sig.ath.cx/modules/news/linux/dflate.jpg"> |
| 20:04:52 | smee|h | chouimat: ha! :) |
| 20:05:22 | chouimat | smee|h: that will probably not be usable in production (knowing the guy) |
| 20:06:00 | Bruton | Beefcake |
| 20:07:43 | smee|h | ah :) |
| 20:08:06 | George- | hey darienm |
| 20:08:14 | George- | darienm: you're a mac dude aren't you? |
| 20:08:15 | smee|h | ljp: ah - I give up on the qsplitter :) |
| 20:08:32 | ljp | :D |
| 20:08:40 | ljp | been there.. done that :D |
| 20:08:58 | smee|h | :) now he tells me |
| 20:09:57 | chouimat | smee|h: ? |
| 20:11:25 | ljp | hehehe |
| 20:11:27 | ljp | I tried |
| 20:11:40 | smee|h | chouimat: I was wanting a splitter in a qt/e app |
| 20:11:58 | ljp | I was hoping you'd be successful |
| 20:12:22 | smee|h | ljp: so was I |
| 20:12:51 | smee|h | ljp: and you were right not to tell me as I'd've bowed to your superior knowledge and never tried :) |
| 20:14:12 | ljp | heh me? superior? ha! |
| 20:14:31 | ljp | I tried in January |
| 20:16:04 | Bruton | this channel is very slow |
| 20:17:12 | ljp | its a weekend |
| 20:17:16 | Bruton | George |
| 20:18:24 | George- | Bruton: what? |
| 20:22:15 | Bruton | http://world.altavista.com/sites/auen/pos/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fzaurus.spacetown.ne.jp%2F&lp=ja_en&tt=url&urltext= |
| 20:22:42 | Bruton | there are some new models from Japanese site. Ive took the liberty to translate it into English for you |
| 20:23:48 | George- | k |
| 20:24:31 | Debolaz | finally discovers an internet store that will sell him a zaurus. |
| 20:25:28 | Bruton | Debolaz why not order direct from Sharp? |
| 20:25:32 | George- | Debolaz: lol |
| 20:26:04 | Debolaz | Bruton: sharp.co.uk won't sell them outside uk & ireland. |
| 20:26:35 | George- | Debolaz: where do you live? |
| 20:26:46 | Bruton | what about your nearest dealer |
| 20:27:10 | Debolaz | George-: Norway. |
| 20:27:27 | Debolaz | Bruton: The official sharp importer here has decided not to import it. |
| 20:27:56 | Bruton | do you know why? |
| 20:28:17 | victorvdl | wonders where I can get a cheap wifi cf card. |
| 20:28:21 | Debolaz | Bruton: Apparently they're afraid it wouldn't be enough interest. |
| 20:28:35 | Bruton | cant you get one from Germany? |
| 20:29:04 | smee|h | heh, arent trolltech norwegian? |
| 20:29:06 | Debolaz | Bruton: I didn't find any online store there that would sell to Norway. I did however find a single one in England: http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=SL-5000D |
| 20:29:12 | Debolaz | smee|h: It's an irony isn't it? ;) |
| 20:29:17 | smee|h | :) |
| 20:29:50 | George- | Debolaz: how much is it? |
| 20:30:14 | Bruton | why dont you come over on the ferry? |
| 20:30:27 | Debolaz | George-: $470 |
| 20:30:36 | George- | that's stupid :) |
| 20:31:11 | Debolaz | Bruton: I guess it's a convinence thing.. ;) |
| 20:31:39 | smee|h | ...or make one out of wood and citrus fruit ;) |
| 20:31:50 | Bruton | how much would it cost to send a package from england to Norway? |
| 20:32:39 | Debolaz | Bruton: I think that price includes shipping. |
| 20:34:53 | Bruton | Debolaz have you contacted Trolltech which is in Norway? |
| 20:35:23 | Bruton | they are in oslo |
| 20:36:12 | Debolaz | Bruton: No, why would I? |
| 20:37:16 | Bruton | Trolltech created the software for the sync on zaurus |
| 20:37:18 | Bruton | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000063D6E/qid=1035664637/br=1-16/ref=br_lf_e_16//103-6877605-7431007?v=glance&n=516864 |
| 20:37:26 | Bruton | amazon sell sl5500 |
| 20:37:42 | treke|home | Bruton: troll tech did more than just the sync :) |
| 20:37:43 | Bruton | $296 however much that is |
| 20:38:14 | Bruton | yes but i cant remember what else they did |
| 20:38:15 | treke|home | Bruton: They did most of the apps, and sharp modified them |
| 20:38:39 | Bruton | hey ive got a question for you |
| 20:38:59 | Bruton | why hasnt anyone repaired the ROMS for SL5500 |
| 20:39:13 | treke|home | repaired? |
| 20:39:19 | Bruton | here is a basic fault |
| 20:39:30 | Bruton | play solitair |
| 20:39:43 | Bruton | you can pull the cards from behind the pack |
| 20:39:52 | treke|home | ha |
| 20:39:54 | Bruton | go ahead try |
| 20:40:50 | smee|h | Bruton: you can do that in real life too :) |
| 20:41:11 | Bruton | yes but you are not supposed to be able to on a computer |
| 20:41:29 | smee|h | indeed |
| 20:42:02 | Bruton | on asteroids all the sound files are there but the sounds dont work |
| 20:43:24 | treke|home | yeah, the games are all uhm crappy |
| 20:43:40 | Bruton | have you seen that drug money? |
| 20:44:01 | treke|home | but in troll tech defense, even microsoft cant get solitair rigt :) |
| 20:44:26 | Bruton | why is micosofts version buggy aswell? |
| 20:44:34 | smee|h | I was reading on /. that the guy that coded that for MS never got paid for it |
| 20:44:42 | treke|home | I've run into bugs on occaision |
| 20:44:47 | NetAmp | whoa |
| 20:45:15 | George- | Bruton: huh? |
| 20:45:22 | NetAmp | i'd build in a backdoor just in case I wouldn't get paid for it :P |
| 20:45:26 | NetAmp | grins evilly |
| 20:45:33 | Bruton | what George? |
| 20:45:45 | George- | Bruton: bug in solitaire? |
| 20:45:53 | Bruton | have you seen it? |
| 20:46:01 | treke|home | Bruton: http://treke.net/images/solbug.jpg |
| 20:46:05 | smee|h | heh - he was a student at the time on a placement iirc |
| 20:46:26 | NetAmp | jeesh, must have been hell of a job to code |
| 20:46:32 | NetAmp | he didn't play his cards right |
| 20:46:39 | smee|h | ha ha |
| 20:46:42 | NetAmp | (hmm that's kinda dubious..) |
| 20:46:44 | NetAmp | oh well |
| 20:47:11 | Bruton | treke|home you modified that picture |
| 20:47:20 | treke|home | Bruton: no I didnt |
| 20:47:44 | George- | treke|home: LOL |
| 20:47:52 | Bruton | how did that happen then |
| 20:47:53 | George- | Bruton: no |
| 20:48:06 | treke|home | Bruton: It's called a bug :) |
| 20:48:22 | George- | Bruton: what's this solitaire bug on the 5500 rom? |
| 20:48:24 | Bruton | how do you make that happen or is it just now and again |
| 20:48:34 | Bruton | george open solitaire |
| 20:48:51 | George- | yes |
| 20:48:54 | Bruton | you get 7 cards (i think) face up yes |
| 20:49:09 | treke|home | Bruton: Things like that have happened rarely, but a couple of times it's just happened |
| 20:49:13 | George- | yes |
| 20:49:14 | Bruton | you have cards behind htat are face down |
| 20:49:21 | George- | yes |
| 20:49:27 | Bruton | pull them out |
| 20:49:32 | treke|home | http://treke.net/images/scandisk.jpg was also funny. |
| 20:49:35 | NetAmp | huh? whoa dude! |
| 20:49:46 | NetAmp | why didn't I try that before ;) |
| 20:49:46 | George- | heh, it don't work on the 5000D :) |
| 20:49:58 | Bruton | no the 5000 is ok |
| 20:50:03 | smee|h | hehe |
| 20:50:12 | smee|h | that's pretty complete |
| 20:50:28 | Bruton | it has been there since day one |
| 20:50:33 | NetAmp | hrm |
| 20:50:44 | Bruton | has anyone got the game called drug money? |
| 20:51:27 | NetAmp | treke: sometimes I get errors in MS Access saying "Error: no error message available for this error" or something stupid like that ;) |
| 20:51:39 | treke|home | NetAmp: :) |
| 20:52:03 | Bruton | or "error: no keyboard detected. Press any key to continue" |
| 20:52:19 | NetAmp | haha |
| 20:52:24 | Bruton | you get that a lot on AMI mobos# |
| 20:53:38 | ljp | which one is the any key? |
| 20:53:45 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 20:54:05 | NetAmp | dunno, they should put stickers on them |
| 20:54:12 | NetAmp | :P |
| 20:55:54 | Techie2000 | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:00:48 | [George] | ARGH |
| 21:00:53 | NetAmp | whuzzup? |
| 21:01:03 | [George] | I was d/c'd |
| 21:02:28 | NetAmp | :S |
| 21:16:23 | br33zy | moo |
| 21:16:36 | Twiun | scanline: ping |
| 21:17:08 | | today is the first day of the rest of my life |
| 21:17:08 | NetAmp | ibot today |
| 21:17:29 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-10-26 20:54:18 | Proposed Next-Generation Space Station | Delivering Software, Electronically? | Big Brother Lifetime Award Goes To Microsoft | When Mac Freaks Congregate |
| 21:17:29 | NetAmp | ibot slashdot |
| 21:32:43 | scanline | Twiun: pong |
| 21:33:30 | Twiun | scanline: You did your own ts driver for picogui, right? |
| 21:33:34 | scanline | yes |
| 21:33:59 | Twiun | what kind of approach did you take to smooth the jitter? |
| 21:34:04 | scanline | IIR filter |
| 21:34:15 | Twiun | how many samples? |
| 21:34:21 | scanline | checks |
| 21:34:41 | Twiun | is just getting his calibration app working just right |
| 21:35:27 | scanline | 4 I think |
| 21:35:39 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/input/if_touchscreen.c?rev=1.7&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 21:35:45 | scanline | that's the file with all the juicy bits |
| 21:35:47 | Twiun | cheers ;-) |
| 21:36:17 | Toykeeper | Heh. Jitter filtering is pretty easy with a weighted lowpass. |
| 21:36:19 | Twiun | my only hassle was the lack of the unsigned int in java |
| 21:36:38 | Toykeeper | (and special cases for large jumps, so that taps work) |
| 21:41:08 | Twiun | Toykeeper: that means deciding on a threshold... |
| 21:41:21 | Twiun | picks a number out of his hat |
| 21:41:26 | Toykeeper | Yeah. It'll need a bit of calibration. |
| 21:41:44 | Toykeeper | There's anti-jitter stuff in the ipaq kernels. You can even configure it via /proc |
| 21:42:21 | Toykeeper | It let you set (at least) the number of samples, the weight of each sample, and the overall "magnitude" of the anti-jitter. |
| 21:44:16 | NetAmp | Is a better TS driver also gonna be in the new Sharp ROM? |
| 21:44:39 | NetAmp | or is that still classified ;) |
| 21:45:23 | Twiun | that's a good question... who knows ;-) |
| 21:45:28 | NetAmp | Hm I wonder if my 5500 is gonna tell me about DST time correction tomorrow morning |
| 21:45:41 | Toykeeper | Don't know. I'm really hoping for a newer kernel soon, though. 2.4.6 is.. old! |
| 21:45:59 | NetAmp | I know Windoze will... it's a special moment since it only occurs twice a year ;) |
| 21:47:15 | treke|home | NetAmp: probably not. I'd guess it will just magically correct itself :) |
| 21:47:33 | NetAmp | hah ;) |
| 21:47:42 | NetAmp | automagically! |
| 21:47:43 | NetAmp | wow |
| 21:48:48 | treke|home | If it's anything like linux on an ipaq and on my desktop, that is :) |
| 21:49:13 | NetAmp | maybe the Qtopia theme will even change |
| 21:49:24 | treke|home | ha |
| 21:49:27 | NetAmp | to go with the cold winter days :P |
| 21:49:42 | NetAmp | or my desktop will start snowing (not jittering) |
| 21:49:44 | treke|home | anxiously awaits the "cold" |
| 21:49:54 | NetAmp | anxiously? why |
| 21:50:15 | NetAmp | you have a sled standing by? ;) |
| 21:50:22 | treke|home | Sled? ha |
| 21:50:26 | NetAmp | or wanna test the Zaurus in extreme temperatures |
| 21:50:26 | treke|home | no, i just dislike the heat |
| 21:50:38 | NetAmp | ah me too I dislike both extremes :) |
| 21:50:50 | treke|home | gueses NetAmp is from somewhere where it snows |
| 21:50:52 | Twiun | I'm finally in heaven... I understand how you both feel ;-) |
| 21:50:59 | NetAmp | treke's right |
| 21:51:14 | NetAmp | 's from a small country called the Netherlands |
| 21:51:28 | treke|home | NetAmp: That's why I put cold in quotes. Cold here would be 50F during the day |
| 21:51:45 | NetAmp | aha ;) *grin* |
| 21:52:05 | treke|home | doesnt think he's ever seen it snowing at home |
| 21:54:05 | NetAmp | maybe around christmas |
| 21:54:08 | NetAmp | 'jingle bells...' |
| 21:54:26 | treke|home | NetAmp: nope :) |
| 21:55:48 | NetAmp | so far for the Santa Clause then.. |
| 21:55:57 | NetAmp | I bet he has a Zaurus too, by the way |
| 21:56:10 | NetAmp | every celeb needs a Zaurus, they're trendy! |
| 21:56:22 | NetAmp | yeah baby yeah |
| 21:57:29 | NetAmp | 's disclaimer: OK that did sound crazy but you can't blame me cuz I'm Dutch :P ;) |
| 21:57:36 | NetAmp | brrr it's getting cold here already.. |
| 21:57:55 | NetAmp | I'd better start some CPU-intensive tasks |
| 21:58:07 | prpplague | NetAmp: pr0n dl |
| 21:58:12 | NetAmp | prpplague: *lol* |
| 21:58:17 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 21:58:27 | NetAmp | sick dude ;) |
| 22:01:57 | darienm | George?!?!?! Where'd you go? |
| 22:03:22 | [George] | hello |
| 22:04:09 | darienm | Different george, I think. |
| 22:04:17 | darienm | --George, with the Mac question. |
| 22:04:20 | darienm | The 14-year-old |
| 22:04:26 | [George] | yep, same dude :) |
| 22:04:30 | darienm | Hey. |
| 22:04:32 | darienm | Whatcha need? |
| 22:04:37 | [George] | yeh, that's me |
| 22:04:44 | darienm | I can't keep my George's straight. |
| 22:04:49 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 22:07:44 | [George] | darienm: ya know Jaguar? |
| 22:08:15 | darienm | One of my staff uses it, and I'm installing it over 10.1.5 tomorrow. |
| 22:08:19 | NetAmp | isn't that MacOS X 10? |
| 22:08:20 | NetAmp | aha |
| 22:08:23 | darienm | Actually, I'm installing it over 9 tomorrow as well. |
| 22:08:24 | [George] | oh OK :) |
| 22:08:35 | darienm | I've used it, yes. Ask your question. |
| 22:08:42 | [George] | I just wanted to know how the heck to enable Quartz Extreme |
| 22:08:54 | [George] | Jaguar is less responsive than OS X 10.1.5 on my tibook |
| 22:09:14 | darienm | Yeah - we had that problem on a few blue/white G3's here also |
| 22:09:44 | darienm | One of the reason's I've been nervous about upgrading my 10.1.5 to 10.2. |
| 22:09:48 | [George] | how did you fix it?!?!? |
| 22:09:56 | darienm | we uninstalled. |
| 22:09:57 | darienm | :( |
| 22:10:13 | darienm | Seems to be video card dependent. |
| 22:10:45 | darienm | [George]: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/OSX/quartz_extreme_PCI_mod.html#storytop |
| 22:11:16 | [George] | grmbl... |
| 22:11:20 | [George] | Mine is supposed to work, dammit |
| 22:11:27 | [George] | I have a ATI Radeon Mobility |
| 22:13:48 | NetAmp | well good luck with it, I'm gonna get me some sleep and probably defragment my harddrives while i'm at it |
| 22:14:44 | [George] | ok |
| 22:14:45 | [George] | I gtg |
| 22:14:47 | [George] | cya |
| 22:30:40 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone here in florida? what's the second closest airport to orlando |
| 22:34:50 | br33zy | dont ask me |
| 22:37:35 | br33zy | wheres benmeyer? |
| 22:37:40 | | benmeyer was last seen on #opie 1 days, 1 hours, 40 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: nope, not really [Fri Oct 25 14:57:20 2002] |
| 22:37:40 | br33zy | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 22:37:45 | br33zy | hmm |
| 22:48:33 | ||ugh | TheMasterMind1, for BIG airport you need to cross the state for Tampa-St.Pet. |
| 22:49:07 | ||ugh | There is a regional up in Jacksonville as well. |
| 22:50:45 | TheMasterMind1 | is fort lauderale the second closest? |
| 23:22:27 | code_pupil | anyone using ZGCC ?? |
| 23:22:40 | Cloudchaser | don't even know what it is ;) |
| 23:22:47 | jbardin | w00t guavaween tonite... |
| 23:22:57 | jbardin | and i got ~6 gross of beads |
| 23:28:54 | thehomeslice | * bling bling |
| 23:37:34 | hardwire | scanline: mplayer has blinkenlights support? |
| 23:40:33 | scanline | hardwire: hmm? |
| 23:42:48 | hardwire | --enable-bl |
| 23:42:51 | hardwire | in mplayer |
| 23:42:54 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:43:07 | hardwire | could be interesting :) |
| 23:43:11 | scanline | yep |
| 23:43:23 | kergoth`book | hey guys |
| 23:43:26 | hardwire | is going to add a vo for the ps2gs driver |
| 23:43:28 | scanline | hi kergoth`book |
| 23:44:26 | kergoth`book | weird day today |
| 23:44:29 | kergoth`book | i havent done a damn thing |
| 23:44:43 | treke|home | sounds good |
| 23:45:17 | kergoth`book | not really. boring. unmotivated. lazy. |
| 23:45:31 | kergoth`book | and now i just got up from reading a book so i'm still disconnected and half in that world |
| 23:45:33 | treke|home | go read some more |
| 23:45:37 | kergoth`book | it'll be another hour before i'm useful for anything |
| 23:46:37 | scanline | has been in a pseudodepressed masochistic caffeinated zombie state for most of the day |
| 23:46:52 | scanline | lots o' fun :) |
| 23:47:44 | kergoth`book | hah, sounds like it |
| 23:47:55 | kergoth`book | i've go no stimulants or any other chemicals in me atm |
| 23:48:02 | kergoth`book | which is out of the ordinary |
| 23:48:05 | treke|home | thats easy to fix |
| 23:48:26 | scanline | I hadn't had any caffeine for a few days, then had a frappucino with 2 shots of espresso this morning |
| 23:48:50 | kergoth`book | scanline: fun |
| 23:48:55 | scanline | yep :) |
| 23:48:56 | kergoth`book | mm frappucino |
| 23:49:59 | hardwire | scrapping together cash to go to a cornfeild maze tonight |
| 23:50:15 | kergoth`book | eh? |
| 23:50:16 | kergoth`book | for what |
| 23:50:39 | hardwire | big maze in corn feild |
| 23:50:40 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:50:52 | kergoth`book | hm |
| 23:50:54 | kergoth`book | lost in corn |
| 23:50:57 | kergoth`book | interesting |
| 23:51:21 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:51:27 | hardwire | a big haunted corn feild |
| 23:51:34 | hardwire | people hang out in the corn and scare the crap out of you |
| 23:51:41 | hardwire | like employees with chainsaws and blah blah |
| 23:51:41 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:52:13 | kergoth`book | uhm |
| 23:52:19 | kergoth`book | i dont like people who jump at me with chainsaws |
| 23:52:30 | hardwire | should bring his sais |
| 23:52:35 | kergoth`book | woot |
| 23:52:35 | kergoth`book | do it |
| 23:52:37 | kergoth`book | heheh |
| 23:52:48 | hardwire | I can fit them in my sleves sorta |
| 23:52:48 | hardwire | :) |
| 23:52:53 | kergoth`book | "BOO!" "dont fucking do that!" *bam* |
| 23:53:14 | kergoth`book | I need to find decent sheaths for my forearms |
| 23:53:53 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:53:57 | hardwire | forearm plates |
| 23:54:02 | hardwire | with RASOZEAFRS! |
| 23:54:10 | hardwire | is compiling mplayer for the ps2 ATM |
| 23:54:19 | kergoth`book | fun |
| 23:56:09 | hardwire | anyhoot |
| 23:56:12 | hardwire | cornmaze time |
| 23:56:37 | kergoth`book | heh |
| 23:56:39 | kergoth`book | get lost! |
| 23:56:43 | kergoth`book | beat up chainsaw guy |
| 23:57:00 | hardwire | can hide the wakizashi |
| 23:57:02 | hardwire | bbl |
| 23:57:04 | hardwire | if I am not in jail |
