| 00:00:26 | mark | heh |
| 00:00:27 | ljp | make that a double |
| 00:02:56 | wParam | hmm... I assume the viking PCMCIA cf reader can read viking's 512 meg card. That should be safe, right? |
| 00:04:25 | Neo|Work | the bigger question if, how the heck do you know to order these things? :) |
| 00:04:48 | Neo|Work | our last xmas party we actually had things we wanted to order from the "bar" and they had like nothing |
| 00:09:01 | Neo|Work | sugar make me a julep |
| 00:09:02 | Sugar | You have to tell me which one. I can make 6 different, Brandy Julep, Jocose Julep, Dixie Julep, Georgia Mint Julep, Mint Julep and Mint Julep (Southern Style). |
| 00:09:06 | Neo|Work | sugar make me a mint julep |
| 00:09:07 | Sugar | tries to make something, but just fumbles it away. |
| 00:09:07 | Sugar | sorry |
| 00:09:12 | Neo|Work | sang it |
| 00:09:20 | Neo|Work | no unique but still complete |
| 00:09:24 | Neo|Work | sugar make me a georgia mint julep |
| 00:09:24 | Sugar | pours mint into a collins glass with ice, adds sugar and splash of water, muddles, adds brandy and peach liqueur then decorates with mint leaves and serves it to Neo|Work. |
| 00:09:34 | Neo|Work | or to be exact, probably failed to parse how to make it |
| 00:23:09 | jbardin | man, the snipers are finaly caught |
| 00:23:17 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:23:35 | wParam | assuming they're the real ones |
| 00:23:54 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:23:59 | Neo|Work | > David, I appreciate the concern and judgment of my lack of realization. I |
| 00:23:59 | Neo|Work | > guess it just shows I have better things to do than play your games. |
| 00:24:01 | ljp | guns the same |
| 00:24:03 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 00:24:17 | kergoth | Neo|Work: having fun? |
| 00:24:44 | jbardin | i never would of thought they would be african americans |
| 00:25:21 | kergoth | figured itd be the typical stereotype of such individuals eh? |
| 00:26:09 | jbardin | yea definatly.. i gotta wander what their motives were |
| 00:26:19 | jbardin | and a 17 yr old too |
| 00:26:37 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 00:26:40 | Neo|Work | I thought they were Jamaican |
| 00:26:44 | ljp | the older guy is Islamic |
| 00:26:45 | Cloudchaser | the boy is |
| 00:26:48 | Neo|Work | at least the 17 yr old boy |
| 00:27:01 | Neo|Work | but since he's related to the other guy... |
| 00:27:08 | Cloudchaser | the older guy is american, |
| 00:27:12 | [DrEvil] | he isn't related |
| 00:27:12 | ljp | step son |
| 00:27:15 | Cloudchaser | and the boy is his "stepson" |
| 00:27:29 | Neo|Work | the whole "african american" thing is stupid though |
| 00:27:40 | jbardin | ? |
| 00:27:46 | Cloudchaser | the older guy was american solder who became a muslim i think |
| 00:27:48 | Neo|Work | what do you politically correctly call a black person from africa? From Sweden? From australia? |
| 00:28:04 | Cloudchaser | why call them anytihng? |
| 00:28:05 | Neo|Work | african-african? african-swede? |
| 00:28:15 | jbardin | hmm good popint |
| 00:28:16 | Cloudchaser | call them swedes, africans aussies |
| 00:28:19 | Cloudchaser | americans |
| 00:28:19 | jbardin | i assumed they were americans |
| 00:28:21 | Cloudchaser | whatever |
| 00:28:22 | wParam | Cloudchaser: exactly |
| 00:28:24 | Neo|Work | because sometimes you need to refer to "color" or "heritage" or what not |
| 00:28:40 | Cloudchaser | long as its "specified" it remains a division |
| 00:28:42 | Neo|Work | for example, for medical reasons, you often need to know that |
| 00:28:48 | wParam | then you should say "dark-skinned from america" |
| 00:28:48 | Cloudchaser | no one calls me "irish american" |
| 00:29:06 | Neo|Work | caucasians might be at less risk for a decease than asian or black people for example |
| 00:29:20 | Neo|Work | wParam: that's ridiculous |
| 00:29:27 | Cloudchaser | right but thats a different issue |
| 00:29:31 | kergoth | i disagree with the labeling |
| 00:29:34 | jbardin | i think black is a medical term |
| 00:29:38 | Neo|Work | color has nothing to do with country of origin in many ways |
| 00:29:43 | jbardin | along with caucasion asian indian |
| 00:29:47 | kergoth | labeling in psychology often *causes* psychological issues |
| 00:29:49 | kergoth | for example |
| 00:29:54 | Cloudchaser | exactly |
| 00:30:09 | Neo|Work | thing is, you can't call someone "black" because it's "politically incorrect" |
| 00:30:13 | Neo|Work | which is stupid really |
| 00:30:17 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 00:30:21 | kergoth | networksetup just hates me |
| 00:30:23 | kergoth | thats all there is to it |
| 00:30:30 | Neo|Work | it'd be like me being upset at being called caucasian and rather want to be called Swedish-American |
| 00:30:31 | kergoth | and the world conspires against the release of oz 3 |
| 00:30:46 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 21 hours, 28 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: but since I don't use gnome at all, I am in no hurry [Wed Oct 23 21:02:36 2002] |
| 00:30:46 | jbardin | ibot seen warmi |
| 00:30:54 | | numatrix was last seen on #openzaurus 3 hours, 10 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: ok; home for the day, take it easy guys [Thu Oct 24 15:20:00 2002] |
| 00:30:54 | jbardin | ibot seen numatrix |
| 00:31:01 | wParam | I don't think we should be making distinctions at all |
| 00:31:18 | Neo|Work | media uses "african american" for any black person even if they aren't actually americans at all which just makes no sense |
| 00:31:18 | kergoth | agreed |
| 00:31:27 | wParam | the problem is that skin color is such an obvious way to describe someone's appearance |
| 00:31:30 | Neo|Work | wParam: thing is, there is a need to make distinctions |
| 00:31:40 | jbardin | wParam a persons appearance needs a description |
| 00:31:41 | Neo|Work | like police is looking for a man that is either caucasian or asian |
| 00:31:42 | kergoth | fucking dalnet and its fucking spam is pissing me off |
| 00:31:43 | wParam | so people keep on saying "black" (or whatever PC term you want) |
| 00:31:48 | Neo|Work | saying that they are either limits the scope |
| 00:31:55 | wParam | well then i say pick something else and say dark or light skinned |
| 00:31:55 | jbardin | you just cant leave out the color of the skin to avoid offedning people |
| 00:32:26 | wParam | at least then it sounds more like just a description of skin color |
| 00:32:39 | jbardin | true |
| 00:33:08 | Cloudchaser | well.. there's asian, caucasion and indian and what...nothing for description for darker people that's not offensive? |
| 00:33:09 | Neo|Work | wParam: it is often a lot more descriptive to say that they are "black" because that is not just color of the skin |
| 00:33:12 | ljp | how about just 'bro' |
| 00:33:16 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:33:20 | jbardin | haha |
| 00:33:23 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: exactly my point, really. |
| 00:33:27 | jbardin | one people one love |
| 00:33:40 | kergoth | one love.. thats a techno song |
| 00:33:41 | Neo|Work | everyone else can handle a "generic" term but black people who get offended by it? |
| 00:33:45 | kergoth | cranks music |
| 00:33:54 | Neo|Work | american indian / indian is a valid distinction too |
| 00:33:59 | Cloudchaser | i always wndered |
| 00:34:03 | wParam | true, but I think we might be better off losing the racial descriptors (even if it makes people a little harder to describe) |
| 00:34:08 | jbardin | has there been any news regarding the work on fceu ? |
| 00:34:10 | treke | Cloudchaser: how about "those people" |
| 00:34:19 | Neo|Work | wParam: there is no harm in it |
| 00:34:23 | Cloudchaser | well american indian is to distinguish between east indian or west indian |
| 00:34:29 | Cloudchaser | or india indian |
| 00:34:35 | Neo|Work | and "dark skinned" is probably as offensive as "negro" or "black" |
| 00:34:40 | Neo|Work | in the US today that is |
| 00:34:56 | jbardin | what about melatonin-adept people |
| 00:35:04 | Cloudchaser | right but "african american" is just not right for a description |
| 00:35:12 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: it's just really to distinguish between two people where one was incorrectly labled by moron explorers who though the US was India way bac. :) |
| 00:35:31 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: right, it's entirely incorrect and not very good |
| 00:35:56 | Neo|Work | because africans might not be black and black people in the US might not have an american heritage (or might not be americans) |
| 00:35:56 | jbardin | yea.. what do indians refer to them selves as? |
| 00:35:58 | Neo|Work | so it's dumb. :) |
| 00:36:07 | Cloudchaser | exactly :) |
| 00:36:08 | Neo|Work | jbardin: their tribe? :) |
| 00:36:14 | jbardin | they certianly cant be americans cause thats a a product of the white man |
| 00:36:23 | kergoth | smacks jbardin with a 2x4 |
| 00:36:29 | Neo|Work | make that 'an african heritage' |
| 00:36:36 | kergoth | they're americans if they're citizens. period. |
| 00:36:46 | wParam | my mom knew a white person from africa who moved to the states. he checked "african-american" on a sheet and people got really upset |
| 00:36:54 | Neo|Work | kergoth: of course but nationality is a different issue |
| 00:36:54 | jbardin | well i mean in terms of heritate.. not by citizinship |
| 00:37:00 | Neo|Work | I'm a Swede for example |
| 00:37:04 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i know, i was speaking to jbardin |
| 00:37:05 | ljp | alot of tribes names mean 'the human beings', or 'the people' |
| 00:37:08 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i agree with your point |
| 00:37:29 | Neo|Work | wParam: therein lies the problem with "african american" description. :) |
| 00:37:47 | ljp | I'm a Mergatroidian-American |
| 00:37:48 | Neo|Work | I find it all rather silly but it all goes back to the very racist past of the US |
| 00:37:51 | Cloudchaser | i don't guess its up to us at any rate |
| 00:38:33 | Neo|Work | funny thing is that it seems like black people freely refer to eachother as black or even niggers etc :) (well, granted, I don't know that for sure ) |
| 00:38:43 | jbardin | anyone ever seen the nra paid advertisments? |
| 00:38:49 | treke | its nigga. get it right :) |
| 00:39:02 | Neo|Work | treke: I don't keep up with the times, nigga |
| 00:39:04 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 00:39:09 | Cloudchaser | coughs |
| 00:39:13 | Cloudchaser | easy fellas :) |
| 00:39:23 | Neo|Work | in either case, today's US (especially) is way oversensitive on the subject in general |
| 00:39:35 | treke | agrees |
| 00:39:36 | ljp | I agree, Neo |
| 00:39:36 | jbardin | anyone seen tokyo breakfast? |
| 00:39:38 | Neo|Work | I think most of the rest of the world doesn't have this problem |
| 00:40:03 | Neo|Work | which is why I find it, as a Swede, rather amusing really. :) |
| 00:40:09 | ljp | well, we still have alot of "good ol' boys" from the south |
| 00:40:21 | Neo|Work | yeehaw! |
| 00:40:44 | Neo|Work | this country is still rather scary with (especially hidden) racism |
| 00:40:54 | kergoth | indeed |
| 00:41:00 | Neo|Work | I mean, the KKK still exists and is rather strong |
| 00:41:07 | Cloudchaser | thats disgusting |
| 00:41:12 | Neo|Work | nowadays I guess then don't generally kill people as much |
| 00:41:15 | ljp | but racism exists on all sides |
| 00:41:16 | Neo|Work | but they are sitll here |
| 00:41:25 | jbardin | the dukes of hazard is a pretty kick ass show, although i dont recal the glaring confederate flag scenes on all the car chases |
| 00:41:27 | kergoth | you know |
| 00:41:29 | kergoth | its pretty bad |
| 00:41:32 | Neo|Work | yes, there's racisim against "white" people or asian people as well |
| 00:41:33 | kergoth | that i have to build oz images with gdb preinstalled |
| 00:41:36 | kergoth | lmao |
| 00:41:45 | wParam | nobody is willing to compromise and just put it behind us |
| 00:42:07 | Neo|Work | wParam: exactly, and if you slip and use an unapproved word you're in big shit |
| 00:42:16 | ljp | speaking of racism.. I thought you'd all like to know... I'm a lesbian in a mans body |
| 00:42:20 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:42:25 | Neo|Work | I find it all rather silly. We're all people so why the hell does it matter (for daily life) what color we are? |
| 00:42:33 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 00:42:40 | Neo|Work | I just think color / origin has valid reasons to exist |
| 00:42:58 | Neo|Work | ljp: hmm, so you like women then? :P |
| 00:43:04 | ljp | heh yup.. |
| 00:43:16 | Neo|Work | ljp: you know, there's drugs to help you devel your... parts. :) |
| 00:43:28 | Cloudchaser | i don't get it |
| 00:43:36 | kergoth | hahahaha |
| 00:43:37 | kergoth | oh my |
| 00:43:41 | kergoth | i HATE it when this happens |
| 00:43:43 | Cloudchaser | men can take pills to grow their female parts |
| 00:43:46 | kergoth | my app crashes |
| 00:43:50 | kergoth | or ben's app rather |
| 00:43:50 | kergoth | but |
| 00:43:52 | ljp | heheh.. ummmm, thats ok.. I'm happy being a lesbian in a mans body |
| 00:43:53 | kergoth | if I gdb it |
| 00:43:54 | Cloudchaser | but what do women get? silicone |
| 00:43:57 | kergoth | it works flawlessly |
| 00:43:57 | jbardin | man b000bs |
| 00:44:09 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: problem is, if you stop taking the drugs the effect wear off |
| 00:44:15 | jbardin | kergoth is gdb somehow trapping a memory overrun? |
| 00:44:23 | Neo|Work | plus I don't know how well it works to increase size rather than get size to behing with |
| 00:44:28 | Cloudchaser | then they shrink? |
| 00:44:29 | Neo|Work | and that said, there ARE drugs you CAN take |
| 00:44:35 | Neo|Work | but effects are always temporary |
| 00:44:49 | Cloudchaser | so those men who take them have to take them forever? |
| 00:44:50 | Neo|Work | has seen too many infomercials |
| 00:44:55 | Neo|Work | I believe so yes |
| 00:45:01 | Cloudchaser | and if you take bigger doses do you get bigger ones/ |
| 00:45:03 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 00:45:04 | kergoth | AHHH |
| 00:45:06 | jbardin | or you can get implants? |
| 00:45:08 | kergoth | jbardin: now it doesnt crash without gdb |
| 00:45:10 | kergoth | is confused |
| 00:45:16 | Neo|Work | That I don't know |
| 00:45:24 | Cloudchaser | wonders how he knew all that |
| 00:45:26 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 00:45:32 | Neo|Work | TLC! |
| 00:45:35 | ljp | kergoth: maybe its a config thing |
| 00:45:40 | kergoth | ljp: probably |
| 00:45:41 | Cloudchaser | ah i like tlc :) |
| 00:45:43 | kergoth | wipes his configs |
| 00:45:51 | Neo|Work | and the femal bust pills are from like 60 minutes about informercials selling them |
| 00:46:06 | Cloudchaser | do they really work? |
| 00:46:10 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 00:46:15 | kergoth | yes, they do |
| 00:46:28 | Neo|Work | but the effect might start going away after as little as a few weeks to perhaps a few months |
| 00:46:29 | Cloudchaser | i thought they were a scam |
| 00:46:29 | Neo|Work | if you stop |
| 00:46:45 | kergoth | my ex-'s improvement didnt go away after she stopped |
| 00:46:49 | Neo|Work | so basically you have to keep take them forever to keep the result and I don't know if that's unhealthy or just expensive |
| 00:46:53 | kergoth | but it could be just her chemistry |
| 00:46:54 | kergoth | dunno |
| 00:47:03 | Neo|Work | kergoth: it might take longer too... |
| 00:47:10 | kergoth | its been two years |
| 00:47:12 | Cloudchaser | did they grow quite a bit kergoth? |
| 00:47:40 | kergoth | oh not a huge amount. i'd say it was a full cup size at first, then it backed off to about half a cup larger after she stopped |
| 00:47:43 | kergoth | but it was noticable |
| 00:48:01 | kergoth | yawns |
| 00:48:03 | Cloudchaser | interesting |
| 00:48:52 | kergoth | indeed |
| 00:50:15 | kergoth | ahh |
| 00:50:16 | kergoth | i wiped my configs |
| 00:50:20 | kergoth | and networksetup doesnt segfault anymore |
| 00:50:23 | kergoth | is confused |
| 00:50:30 | Cloudchaser | very interesting |
| 00:50:36 | kergoth | time to upload this to see if its just me |
| 00:50:40 | kergoth | get it out for testing |
| 00:50:48 | kergoth | i was hoping to avoid another prerelease, i want to release 3.0 |
| 00:50:48 | Cloudchaser | what happens when you set it up then? |
| 00:50:51 | kergoth | ah well |
| 00:50:52 | kergoth | it works |
| 00:50:55 | kergoth | its working great |
| 00:51:21 | Cloudchaser | and if you use netsetup again after you've used it once (say to make changes?) |
| 00:51:34 | kergoth | reflashes |
| 00:51:38 | kergoth | then it continues to work fine |
| 00:51:43 | ToyKeeper | Anyone put the "expr" program into OZ yet? |
| 00:51:45 | kergoth | but the first time i ran it after flashing it segfaulted |
| 00:51:47 | kergoth | its odd |
| 00:51:52 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: what package is that in |
| 00:52:16 | kergoth | oh |
| 00:52:20 | ToyKeeper | None that I know of. I copied it from my ipaq when I needed it. |
| 00:52:22 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: busybox has expr in its shellutils stuff. |
| 00:52:36 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: /usr/src/coding/projects/userspace/buildroot/build/busybox$ cat .config| grep -i expr |
| 00:52:40 | kergoth | # CONFIG_EXPR is not set |
| 00:52:45 | kergoth | just not enabled in the default busybox config |
| 00:53:03 | ToyKeeper | Okay. Just something I noticed. Might be useful to enable. |
| 00:54:04 | ToyKeeper | But in general, I'm happy. Got x11 to work. :) |
| 00:54:36 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: nice. used prpplague's X packages? |
| 00:54:38 | ToyKeeper | Still need to work on controlling the backlight, and a few other things... |
| 00:55:04 | ToyKeeper | Er, I used the Xfbdev binary and ztsd binary from the x11zaurus package. But that's all. |
| 00:55:15 | ToyKeeper | The familiar Xipaq wouldn't talk to ztsd. :( |
| 00:57:02 | kergoth | use the tinyx packages for oz :) |
| 00:57:06 | ToyKeeper | If I can find time and sufficient source code, I may add some Z-support packages to fam-unstable. |
| 00:57:11 | kergoth | they're in the buildroot |
| 00:57:41 | ToyKeeper | I still haven't set up an arm cross-compile environment. |
| 00:58:03 | kergoth | i'll upload em into the experiment oz package area |
| 00:58:13 | kergoth | experimental that is |
| 00:58:23 | ToyKeeper | Where is that? |
| 00:58:43 | ToyKeeper | That reminds me.. |
| 00:58:59 | ToyKeeper | I was going to bug you about version number systems.. |
| 00:59:26 | kergoth | feel free |
| 00:59:31 | ToyKeeper | It'd be very handy if versions were in the form 0.61.1-oz5 instead of 20021024-3. |
| 00:59:48 | ToyKeeper | Or even 0.61.1-oz20021024. |
| 01:00:18 | kergoth | good idea. would certainly improve package compatibility with familiar |
| 01:00:21 | ToyKeeper | Helps make multiple feeds compatible. |
| 01:00:29 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:00:35 | kergoth | i'll jump on that in a few |
| 01:00:36 | kergoth | brb |
| 01:00:38 | ToyKeeper | :) |
| 01:19:45 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:31:05 | Kiyyik | Hi. Anyone got time for a newbie question? |
| 01:32:13 | kergoth | ask away |
| 01:32:37 | Kiyyik | havign trouble telnetting into the zaurus. I keep getting "Connection to Host Lost" |
| 01:32:55 | Kiyyik | "I've uncommented the line in inetd and added the ttya* in securetty, no difference. |
| 01:33:29 | kergoth | did you killall -HUP inetd yet? |
| 01:33:32 | kergoth | or reboot? |
| 01:33:36 | kergoth | either way |
| 01:34:00 | Kiyyik | "Did both. |
| 01:34:06 | kergoth | no idea then |
| 01:34:06 | Kiyyik | Pardon my " |
| 01:34:13 | kergoth | doesnt use telnet, he uses ssh |
| 01:34:44 | Kiyyik | Got it! |
| 01:34:52 | badl | ? but telnet is the best |
| 01:35:14 | Kiyyik | Friend elsewhere had me run telnet_wrapper & |
| 01:35:16 | kergoth | smacks badl |
| 01:35:36 | kergoth | telnet is a shoddy protocol that is 99% of the time implemented badly |
| 01:35:37 | badl | is sniffing for kergoth's passwords over telnet... |
| 01:35:45 | Kiyyik | Shooting for SSH net. |
| 01:35:50 | kergoth | ssh net? |
| 01:35:54 | | bb 1.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=589 |
| 01:35:55 | | C-Kermit 8.0.201 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=418 |
| 01:35:56 | | openssh_package 3.2.3p1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=5 |
| 01:35:57 | | 3 of 7 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=ssh |
| 01:35:57 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for ssh |
| 01:35:59 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 01:36:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:36:11 | Kiyyik | Er, next. |
| 01:36:27 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:36:32 | kergoth | i need 1) food and 2) a drink |
| 01:36:36 | kergoth | wanders off |
| 01:36:45 | badl | ask sugar for a drink ;) |
| 01:44:40 | [DrEvil] | you can't escape us Mr Kergoth |
| 01:45:14 | kergoth | okay, i've nailed down the networksetup segfault (yes another one) |
| 01:45:32 | ljp | hmm |
| 01:46:25 | kergoth | thats the 4th so far |
| 01:46:28 | kergoth | digs into the code |
| 01:54:04 | badalex | is back (gone 02:47:40) |
| 02:15:30 | Techie2000 | I need major help |
| 02:15:44 | Techie2000 | How do I start the FTP server from the command line? |
| 02:16:23 | TheMasterMind1 | what rom |
| 02:17:56 | Techie2000 | The latest sharp one. 2.38 IIRC |
| 02:18:19 | ljp | ftp server is opie |
| 02:18:22 | ljp | port 4242 |
| 02:18:27 | Techie2000 | thanks |
| 02:18:32 | Techie2000 | enters command opie |
| 02:18:34 | ljp | password is Qtopia |
| 02:18:46 | Techie2000 | It says not found |
| 02:18:54 | ljp | if you are in the gui.. the ftp is already running |
| 02:19:05 | ljp | oh |
| 02:19:08 | ljp | heh |
| 02:19:09 | Techie2000 | I have my zaurus, b0rked Qtopia. Need to start FTP server |
| 02:19:10 | ljp | qpe |
| 02:19:23 | ljp | qpe IS the ftp |
| 02:19:32 | Techie2000 | okay |
| 02:19:43 | Techie2000 | grr. Not working. |
| 02:19:48 | Techie2000 | It's b0rked. |
| 02:19:54 | Techie2000 | I'm going to have to hard reset |
| 02:19:56 | ljp | there is a ftpd somewhere you could get running if you have a cf or it has net access |
| 02:20:14 | Techie2000 | Yes I have an 802.11b CF card |
| 02:20:41 | Techie2000 | just need to find the ftpd |
| 02:21:21 | JupiterJoe | does the air recharge unit really work??? |
| 02:21:27 | ljp | use wget or something http://psifertex.com/zaurus/troll-ftpd_1.28_arm.ipk |
| 02:21:52 | Techie2000 | okay. Now after I use wget, how do I install the .ipk from the command line? |
| 02:22:12 | ljp | ipkg install pakcagename.pkg |
| 02:22:41 | ljp | you probably just messed up symlinks, unless you messed up some config files |
| 02:23:20 | ljp | resting is a quick option if you dont want to mess around |
| 02:23:25 | ljp | reseting |
| 02:23:52 | Techie2000 | yeah but I got some critical stuff I want to rescue |
| 02:23:59 | Techie2000 | Specifically my homework assignments |
| 02:23:59 | ljp | ahh |
| 02:24:09 | JupiterJoe | does the air recharge unit really work???(www.instantenergy.com) |
| 02:24:20 | Techie2000 | Plus I want to probe the Zaurus is superior to the PPC or Palm in this type of situation anyways :-) |
| 02:25:05 | Techie2000 | okay got the ftpd installed |
| 02:26:54 | Techie2000 | crap |
| 02:27:09 | Techie2000 | it's complaining about sockets. |
| 02:27:12 | Techie2000 | New idea |
| 02:27:19 | Techie2000 | goes to steal Dad's CF card |
| 02:28:11 | wParam | grr... the cf reader is $9 on amazon.com, but the bloody shipping is probably gonna be $6 unless i spend a total of 25, in which case i can get free shipping |
| 02:28:28 | wParam | wishes real stores had good prices like online stores |
| 02:28:39 | Techie2000 | agrees |
| 02:30:02 | Techie2000 | okay homework is now safely on the flash card |
| 02:37:39 | Techie2000 | looks at pics of the new future Zaurus and drools |
| 02:37:58 | Techie2000 | It looks like those Sony ones, except better |
| 03:28:35 | n64894952 | anyone using tkcradio |
| 03:29:06 | n64894952 | i dont know any sites to enter to listen |
| 03:29:12 | n64894952 | please help |
| 03:29:57 | ljp | go to #WOPN |
| 03:30:29 | n64894952 | ask there? |
| 04:04:31 | Saurian | Anyone installed that perl ipk? |
| 04:07:09 | Bones3D | worked fine for me |
| 04:07:21 | Saurian | How big is it? |
| 04:07:42 | Bones3D | hmm... I think something like 2-4MB |
| 04:07:59 | Saurian | Not bad... |
| 04:13:22 | Saurian | really needs to learn C |
| 04:26:08 | Saurian | plays nethack on his Z. }:) |
| 04:29:08 | Saurian | Hey DaWorm |
| 04:30:07 | Cloudchaser | hullo |
| 04:31:14 | DaWorm | Saurian, Cloud :D |
| 04:31:27 | chouimat | hi Cloudchaser Snipah |
| 04:31:42 | kergoth | hey guys |
| 04:34:24 | kergoth | geh coffee liquor is too thick. sits heavy in the stomach |
| 04:34:36 | kergoth | needs a drink, not a milkshake-like-thing |
| 04:34:47 | chouimat | kergoth: try iced tea |
| 04:35:13 | kergoth | i do |
| 04:35:17 | kergoth | decided to try some different shit |
| 04:35:19 | kergoth | from this book on drinks |
| 04:36:11 | Saurian | Backdraft. }:) |
| 04:36:45 | Cloudchaser | :) sitting hear listening to tkcRadio |
| 04:36:55 | Cloudchaser | its pretty cool |
| 04:36:58 | Saurian | Drambuie and gran marnier. }:) |
| 04:37:08 | Saurian | Or did you mean a different kind of drink? }:) |
| 04:37:58 | Cloudchaser | i like some different kinds of music |
| 04:38:20 | kergoth | i like all music |
| 04:38:23 | Cloudchaser | so its kinda neat |
| 04:38:24 | kergoth | and most drinks |
| 04:38:26 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 04:38:27 | DaWorm | oh kergoth is getting himself drunk again |
| 04:38:27 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 04:38:27 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:38:42 | kergoth | pfft |
| 04:38:45 | kergoth | i've only had one |
| 04:38:53 | DaWorm | pfftt |
| 04:38:54 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:38:59 | Cloudchaser | its still early where you are ;) |
| 04:39:02 | kergoth | pulls out his trusty 2x4 |
| 04:39:04 | DaWorm | have you seen the Opie thong? |
| 04:39:06 | kergoth | yeah, its only 11:30 |
| 04:39:09 | kergoth | lol, yeah |
| 04:39:19 | Cloudchaser | i haven't |
| 04:39:22 | kergoth | jason put pingizauru up on the OZ cafepress page a *long* time ago, then ljp opened a opie one |
| 04:39:34 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 04:39:45 | DaWorm | they even got debian thongs and bib |
| 04:39:47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:39:49 | kergoth | funny shit |
| 04:39:55 | kergoth | i'm sorry |
| 04:39:59 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 04:40:00 | kergoth | but if you're thinking about computers |
| 04:40:07 | kergoth | at that point |
| 04:40:09 | kergoth | you've got problems |
| 04:40:16 | kergoth | doesnt want to see a woman in a opie thong |
| 04:40:19 | DaWorm | yeah when i saw the page i went "wtf" |
| 04:40:19 | kergoth | shudders |
| 04:40:23 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 04:40:26 | chouimat | kergoth: uncatchable exception |
| 04:40:30 | DaWorm | or a baby with a debian bib |
| 04:40:38 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 04:40:38 | kergoth | nuts |
| 04:40:48 | chouimat | or primary interrupt |
| 04:41:30 | Cloudchaser | well...thongs are...well put it this way, most people throw away underwear that crawls up their butts or get a bigger size :) |
| 04:42:06 | br33zy | where is the image? |
| 04:42:28 | DaWorm | well if you have a debian thong, you might try to apt-get search partner for it |
| 04:42:36 | DaWorm | ooopps |
| 04:42:38 | DaWorm | apt-cache |
| 04:42:39 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:42:49 | br33zy | hehe |
| 04:43:02 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 04:43:05 | DaWorm | http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=opie.3650998 |
| 04:43:23 | br33zy | hahah |
| 04:43:26 | chouimat | remember to use caramel to give his cat his medcine |
| 04:44:16 | Cloudchaser | lol that's too funny |
| 04:44:39 | jbardin | is QDirectPainter in qt 2.3? |
| 04:45:36 | chouimat | wants one for xmas |
| 04:48:16 | br33zy | Sniper1! |
| 04:48:31 | br33zy | heh |
| 04:48:35 | Sniper1 | hi! |
| 04:49:10 | Cloudchaser | hehe you're up late tonight Sniper1 |
| 04:49:50 | Sniper1 | i am.. but going to sleep soon |
| 04:50:05 | Cloudchaser | me too ;) like now |
| 04:50:09 | Cloudchaser | g'night all |
| 04:50:12 | Snipah | gnite |
| 04:50:19 | br33zy | night |
| 04:50:26 | chouimat | night |
| 04:51:24 | Cloudchaser | hey Snipah: if you're ever suggesting ideas...a folding cradle for the z would be awesome ;) |
| 04:51:49 | chouimat | a bigger battery :) |
| 04:52:00 | Cloudchaser | hehe well they know that one ;) |
| 04:52:04 | br33zy | free wireless cards? |
| 04:52:33 | chouimat | a travel Battery charger (using D size) |
| 04:52:58 | chouimat | bye kergoth`out |
| 04:52:59 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: there's things that work for the z already in that department |
| 04:53:08 | Cloudchaser | like the digipower 8100 |
| 04:53:29 | Cloudchaser | will charge the z 3 times adn you can use it while you charge it |
| 04:53:31 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: the problem is they can only have the 8200 here |
| 04:53:36 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 04:53:39 | Cloudchaser | don't use that one |
| 04:53:48 | Cloudchaser | its 6v if i remember right |
| 04:53:50 | chouimat | and it's 100$ |
| 04:53:57 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: yes 6V |
| 04:54:11 | Cloudchaser | ah i paid 50 for the 8100 and that includes the cable that fits the z and the ipaq |
| 04:54:27 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: it use AA size battery? |
| 04:54:32 | Cloudchaser | 2 |
| 04:54:36 | Cloudchaser | rechargable |
| 04:54:39 | Cloudchaser | comes with charger |
| 04:54:49 | Cloudchaser | oops 4 i mean |
| 04:54:55 | Cloudchaser | comes in little leather case |
| 04:55:06 | Cloudchaser | i leave the charger for the pack home |
| 04:55:18 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: I want on eusing D size :) |
| 04:55:20 | br33zy | are there any cases for zaurus? |
| 04:55:29 | Cloudchaser | D is big |
| 04:55:46 | Cloudchaser | yes br33zy |
| 04:56:12 | Cloudchaser | there's one on myzaurus.com |
| 04:56:19 | br33zy | k |
| 04:56:21 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: will just bring my palm in switzerland then |
| 04:56:26 | Cloudchaser | and a few that you can order from overseas |
| 04:56:38 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: awww |
| 04:56:49 | Cloudchaser | but have a great time in switzerland! |
| 04:57:06 | Cloudchaser | br33zy: search on zauruszone for cases |
| 04:57:15 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: I leave in december |
| 04:57:16 | Cloudchaser | there's several threads that have links |
| 04:57:23 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: for how long? |
| 04:57:27 | Cloudchaser | is jealous ;) |
| 04:57:37 | chouimat | 10 days |
| 04:57:44 | Cloudchaser | nice! vacation or work? |
| 04:57:51 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: vacation |
| 04:57:55 | | br33zy: what? |
| 04:57:55 | br33zy | ibot case |
| 04:57:55 | Cloudchaser | even nicer ;) |
| 04:57:59 | | br33zy: what? |
| 04:57:59 | br33zy | ibot zaurus case |
| 04:58:10 | | OK, br33zy. |
| 04:58:10 | br33zy | ibot zaurus case is at http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?CasesForZaurus |
| 04:58:15 | | OK, br33zy. |
| 04:58:15 | br33zy | ibot cases is at http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?CasesForZaurus |
| 04:58:19 | br33zy | k |
| 04:58:24 | Cloudchaser | well i'm off to dreamland |
| 04:58:26 | Cloudchaser | cya all tomorrow |
| 04:58:43 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: montreal->amsterdam->geneva (2hrs in amsterdam). but 12hrs on the return fligth :) |
| 04:58:45 | br33zy | later |
| 05:00:54 | chouimat | Oh! btw the Sandisk SDDR-73-07 work very well in linux |
| 05:01:11 | Cloudchaser | what is that? |
| 05:02:02 | br33zy | i think it is the san disk reader and writer |
| 05:02:05 | br33zy | i have one |
| 05:02:09 | br33zy | dont know if it is the same model |
| 05:02:14 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: imagemate Dualreader CF MMC/SD |
| 05:02:28 | br33zy | oh damn |
| 05:02:29 | br33zy | you have all 3 |
| 05:02:31 | br33zy | or 2 |
| 05:02:33 | br33zy | whatever |
| 05:02:35 | br33zy | i only have cf |
| 05:02:35 | br33zy | :-D |
| 05:02:38 | chouimat | br33zy: 2 |
| 05:03:01 | br33zy | MMC == SD? |
| 05:03:03 | chouimat | br33zy: dazzle have the 6in1 :) |
| 05:03:19 | br33zy | heh |
| 05:03:22 | Cloudchaser | ah :) |
| 05:03:31 | chouimat | br33zy: Secure Digital, MMC=Multimedia Card |
| 05:03:37 | br33zy | ok |
| 05:03:38 | br33zy | nevermind |
| 05:03:39 | br33zy | brb |
| 05:03:41 | chouimat | same physical format |
| 05:03:47 | Cloudchaser | i haven't used my pcmcia adapter since it ate my 256mb card |
| 05:03:57 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: usb one |
| 05:04:02 | Cloudchaser | been afraid to even try another one |
| 05:04:05 | plastik | ate? |
| 05:04:12 | Cloudchaser | hosed it bad |
| 05:04:20 | plastik | ouch |
| 05:04:21 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: with gravy? |
| 05:04:27 | Cloudchaser | only thing i could reformat it in was my camera |
| 05:04:30 | Cloudchaser | i sent it back |
| 05:04:33 | Cloudchaser | got another one, |
| 05:04:48 | Cloudchaser | same thing happend.. figured out finally it was the adapter (sandisk) |
| 05:05:12 | Cloudchaser | took 5 tries on the camera to reformat it too |
| 05:05:21 | plastik | i have a kodak 4in1 |
| 05:05:42 | Cloudchaser | linux box wouldn't, z wouldn't, windows wouldn't..go figure the camera succeeded |
| 05:05:53 | plastik | heh |
| 05:05:55 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 05:06:09 | Cloudchaser | ok i'm really leaving now |
| 05:06:12 | Cloudchaser | waves |
| 05:06:29 | Snipah | gnite |
| 05:06:45 | chouimat | I also have the single sandisk CF reader and it give me i/o error but not the dual one |
| 05:07:24 | jbardin | anyone work with the sound device on the Z? |
| 05:08:05 | jbardin | in particular what is its most optminum freq, format, channels, samples? |
| 05:11:54 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 05:15:31 | DaWorm | night night |
| 05:18:43 | hash | where can i get a recent OZ rom file? |
| 05:19:37 | DaWorm | errr..sf.net? |
| 05:19:45 | br33zy | DaWorm, do you have a wireless cf card? |
| 05:20:15 | DaWorm | just bought one today, along with some sybex books haven't tried it yet |
| 05:20:18 | br33zy | what is it? |
| 05:20:27 | br33zy | jbardin: do you have a wireless cf card? |
| 05:20:30 | br33zy | i need recommendations |
| 05:20:32 | DaWorm | dlink |
| 05:20:38 | br33zy | will wcf12 work right out of the box? |
| 05:21:36 | DaWorm | they say it does |
| 05:22:02 | DaWorm | dlink wtf i was thinking...its linksys |
| 05:22:08 | br33zy | oh |
| 05:22:12 | br33zy | is it wcf11 or wcf12? |
| 05:22:21 | DaWorm | 11 |
| 05:22:32 | br33zy | does it have a very small antenna jack? |
| 05:22:54 | br33zy | anywhere on it |
| 05:23:56 | DaWorm | nah, just the usual wcf cards |
| 05:24:18 | br33zy | ok |
| 05:24:31 | DaWorm | linksys has wcf12 though |
| 05:24:45 | DaWorm | dunno if it would work out of the box |
| 05:24:55 | br33zy | ya |
| 05:24:57 | br33zy | im gonna get wcf12 |
| 05:25:21 | br33zy | it kinda says it does on the wiki for supported cards |
| 05:26:20 | DaWorm | awesome...my boss is getting warm over the zaurus as well, after seeing it perform with wcf stuff |
| 05:27:00 | br33zy | yup |
| 05:27:02 | br33zy | brb |
| 05:27:03 | br33zy | shower |
| 05:31:03 | hash | has anyone installed OZ 2.9.5.5 and upgraded to the current unstable feed? |
| 05:32:01 | sig | http://message.tusclan.com/php/testgd.php?text=sig |
| 05:32:39 | hash | heh |
| 05:33:13 | hash | what is the best upgrade path right now? |
| 05:33:34 | hash | ive been trying to use some of kergoth's prerelease images and then upgradeing to the current feed |
| 05:33:39 | hash | but it never works |
| 05:41:31 | br33zy | sig: Is that your wife? |
| 05:41:31 | br33zy | heh |
| 05:41:46 | sig | br33zy: :) |
| 05:41:53 | br33zy | heh |
| 05:41:55 | br33zy | figures |
| 05:41:56 | br33zy | :-D |
| 05:42:01 | sig | http://message.tusclan.com/php/testgd.php?text=br33zy |
| 05:42:06 | sig | is that your wife? |
| 05:42:22 | sig | lol |
| 05:43:42 | hash | is anyone using the current unstable feed? |
| 05:44:13 | br33zy | ahahah |
| 05:44:33 | sig | :) |
| 05:44:35 | DaWorm | holy shit br33zy |
| 05:44:35 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:45:06 | br33zy | and im only 12 |
| 05:45:13 | br33zy | :-D |
| 05:45:16 | sig | hahaha |
| 05:45:37 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:46:35 | br33zy | any more links like that? :) |
| 05:46:53 | sig | http://message.tusclan.com/php/testgd.php?text=Your%20mom |
| 05:47:04 | DaWorm | that's very nice php work |
| 05:47:05 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:47:09 | DaWorm | very creative |
| 05:47:22 | br33zy | yup |
| 05:47:42 | br33zy | i wonder how they got the letters in there as if it was real |
| 05:47:49 | br33zy | i mean |
| 05:47:50 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 05:47:56 | br33zy | they had to make an alphabet and take a picture i guess |
| 05:48:06 | br33zy | but you cant really find where it inserts the pic |
| 05:48:13 | sig | yeah you can |
| 05:48:17 | sig | just type something long |
| 05:48:30 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 05:49:00 | br33zy | oj |
| 05:49:01 | br33zy | oh |
| 05:49:02 | br33zy | haha |
| 05:49:05 | br33zy | transperant letters |
| 05:49:07 | hardwire | who wants a mustache ride? |
| 05:49:10 | br33zy | why didnt i think of that? |
| 05:49:16 | br33zy | a mustache ride? |
| 05:49:17 | br33zy | huh |
| 05:49:25 | hardwire | grins |
| 05:49:34 | br33zy | says huh |
| 05:49:36 | br33zy | huh |
| 05:49:48 | br33zy | btw sig, do you have a wireless cf card? |
| 05:49:55 | sig | no |
| 05:50:00 | sig | pretec |
| 05:50:02 | br33zy | just wondering... |
| 05:50:04 | sig | regular wire |
| 05:50:06 | sig | :) |
| 05:50:07 | br33zy | heh |
| 05:50:07 | sig | sorry |
| 05:50:09 | br33zy | np |
| 05:50:17 | br33zy | hardwire |
| 05:50:21 | br33zy | do you have a wireless cf card? |
| 05:50:37 | br33zy | im probably gonna buy the wcf12 soon |
| 05:52:01 | hardwire | the new one? |
| 05:52:04 | hardwire | lower profile |
| 05:52:05 | br33zy | yeah |
| 05:52:07 | hardwire | doesn't stick out |
| 05:52:09 | br33zy | lower profile? |
| 05:52:11 | hardwire | gopher it |
| 05:52:19 | br33zy | wait |
| 05:52:21 | br33zy | is that good or bad? |
| 05:52:24 | br33zy | should i get it or not? |
| 05:52:48 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:52:56 | hardwire | is supreme dictator |
| 05:53:02 | hardwire | and he says |
| 05:53:02 | hardwire | buy it |
| 05:53:08 | br33zy | awesome |
| 05:53:09 | br33zy | i will |
| 05:53:11 | br33zy | later guys |
| 05:53:14 | br33zy | i gtg to bed |
| 05:53:17 | br33zy | moo! |
| 05:55:05 | hardwire | the rest of you.. go jump off a cliff |
| 05:55:08 | DaWorm | mustache ride? |
| 05:56:04 | hardwire | grins again |
| 05:59:08 | hash | hrm... |
| 05:59:13 | hash | what damn rom image should i use |
| 06:09:36 | prpplague | holy split batman |
| 06:11:43 | Saurian | They're doing hub rotation |
| 06:11:55 | Saurian | Watch wallops. }:) |
| 06:14:13 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:14:14 | DaWorm | awesome |
| 06:14:20 | Saurian | Woohoo! |
| 06:15:45 | Saurian | Weee...US's turn... |
| 07:31:36 | Zxcvb | are CF microdrives safe to use in the Z? |
| 07:31:51 | Zxcvb | or have there actually been reports of damage from the heat? |
| 07:36:43 | smee|h | Zxcvb: Sharp says they are 'unsupported' but I've heard of no cases of damage being caused - use for long periods probably isnt recommended |
| 07:37:20 | DaWorm | it heats up right |
| 07:37:21 | Zxcvb | is a 512MB microdrive any cheaper than 2 256MB compactflash cards? |
| 07:38:58 | Zxcvb | a single 512MB compactflash card is $160 |
| 07:39:15 | DaWorm | arent microdrives expensive |
| 07:39:33 | Zxcvb | I saw a 340MB iomega microdrive for $70 |
| 07:40:38 | DaWorm | that's not bad... |
| 07:40:38 | | microdrive is http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/micro/datasheet.htm |
| 07:40:38 | smee|h | ibot microdrive |
| 07:40:48 | Zxcvb | ah, $512MB microdrive is $280 |
| 07:40:55 | DaWorm | but since its mechanical, its bound to heat up |
| 07:40:59 | smee|h | that doesnt work |
| 07:41:06 | smee|h | (the link) |
| 07:41:10 | Zxcvb | and I heard iomega drives are not very good quality |
| 07:41:13 | | smee|h: I forgot microdrive |
| 07:41:13 | smee|h | ibot forget microdrive |
| 07:41:27 | | OK, smee|h. |
| 07:41:27 | smee|h | ibot microdrive is http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/micro/ |
| 07:41:28 | Zxcvb | I'll probably just go with regular CF memory |
| 07:41:44 | prpplague | smee|h: its not too bad, problem is on a standard z it only last about 45 minutes before killing the battery |
| 07:41:54 | smee|h | Zxcvb: unless you needed 1GB, I'd go with CF, yeah |
| 07:42:11 | smee|h | prpplague: ah, yeah |
| 07:42:32 | Zxcvb | smee|h: a single 512MB CF is $160 or so |
| 07:43:13 | smee|h | so $160 cf $280 |
| 07:43:32 | Zxcvb | the $160 is for standard CF |
| 07:43:42 | Zxcvb | $280 is 512MB microdrive |
| 07:43:59 | smee|h | so considering that and the microdrive power usage I'd go for the CF :) |
| 07:44:15 | Zxcvb | how long does CF memory last? |
| 07:44:23 | Zxcvb | is it really only 1,000 writes? |
| 07:48:17 | smee|h | or mayb ewait for one of these: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/index.cfm?go=news.view&news=2787 ;) |
| 07:48:57 | Zxcvb | is there any theoretical limit on MMC size? |
| 07:49:07 | Zxcvb | or has no one just bothered to make MMC larger than 128MB |
| 07:49:26 | DaWorm | theres SD |
| 07:50:14 | smee|h | where did you get the 1000 writes figure from Zxcvb? |
| 07:50:39 | Zxcvb | that is what flash memory is supposedly limited to |
| 07:50:43 | Zxcvb | read the specs |
| 07:51:06 | Toykeeper | as far as I know, they intentionally don't make mmc cards as big (or cheap) as sd cards, so that people will buy the crippled SD instead of the more open MMC. |
| 07:51:32 | Zxcvb | Toykeeper: surely the SD format will be reverse engineered |
| 07:52:09 | Toykeeper | Maybe. There's support in the sharp rom, but no source for its sd module. |
| 07:52:40 | Toykeeper | It would be nice to get sd's extra speed. Since mmc is about as fast as a serial port. |
| 07:52:42 | Zxcvb | Toykeeper: reverse engineering |
| 07:52:45 | smee|h | thought is was a factor of 10 more than that |
| 07:53:03 | Zxcvb | Toykeeper: by a non-US developer, of course |
| 07:53:08 | Toykeeper | Okay, mmc *writes* are about that slow. Reading is much faster. :) |
| 07:54:05 | smee|h | comparison here: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml |
| 07:55:17 | Toykeeper | Weird. It says mmc is cheaper? |
| 07:55:23 | smee|h | hm, better one somewhere |
| 07:55:28 | Toykeeper | I always see mmc cards cost about 20% more than the same size sd. |
| 07:55:29 | DaWorm | it is |
| 07:55:49 | Toykeeper | But I haven't shopped for a while. |
| 07:55:56 | Zxcvb | i'm suprised the SD protocol hasn't been cracked yet |
| 07:56:08 | Toykeeper | I'm happy with my 64MB MMC, which gives me plenty of space to install stuff onto. :) |
| 07:56:23 | smee|h | plus iirc there's an open mmc mamagement module making its way into oz |
| 07:56:39 | Zxcvb | Toykeeper: and just use CF for any multimedia stuff? |
| 07:56:44 | Zxcvb | smee|h: yeah, but no SD |
| 07:56:50 | smee|h | Zxcvb: yeah |
| 07:57:13 | Zxcvb | smee|h: until someone cracks it, and creates an ipk |
| 07:57:25 | Toykeeper | Er, I use CF mainly for wireless networking, but also a little for music-on-the-go and flashing. |
| 07:57:47 | DaWorm | flashing |
| 07:57:49 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:58:06 | Toykeeper | Yup. By far the easiest way to backup and restore. |
| 07:58:11 | smee|h | MMC too slow for video |
| 07:58:21 | Zxcvb | smee|h: so is SD, probably |
| 07:58:37 | smee|h | guess so |
| 07:58:38 | Zxcvb | smee|h: SD is only slightly faster than MMC on the zaurus, as only 1 data pin is used |
| 07:58:38 | Toykeeper | Uh, yes. I think. I have trouble sometimes playing audio off MMC without skipping. |
| 07:58:49 | smee|h | Zxcvb: I see |
| 07:58:50 | Zxcvb | is CF fast enough for audio/video? |
| 07:58:55 | Toykeeper | Yes. |
| 07:58:58 | smee|h | yup |
| 07:58:59 | DaWorm | mmc is good enough..i get good speed on mp3s |
| 07:59:03 | Toykeeper | CF is basically pcmcia but smaller. |
| 07:59:05 | DaWorm | but CF is fast |
| 07:59:22 | Zxcvb | Toykeeper: warchalking? |
| 07:59:40 | smee|h | someone was doing comparisons a while ago just writing and reading using dd |
| 07:59:49 | Toykeeper | I think my mmc mp3 problem is just because madplay doesn't start reading data soon enough while playing. Not actually a limitation of MMC. |
| 08:00:03 | Zxcvb | madplay? |
| 08:00:07 | | dinozaurus was last seen on #zaurus 13 days, 21 hours, 51 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: thanks for the SD tests [Fri Oct 11 04:08:35 2002] |
| 08:00:07 | smee|h | ibot seen dinozaurus |
| 08:00:27 | Toykeeper | Zxcvb: never bothered warchalking. It's all too easy to just scan for 30 seconds and find what I want. :) |
| 08:00:37 | Toykeeper | madplay is an integer-based mp3 player. |
| 08:00:45 | Zxcvb | better than the builtin one? |
| 08:00:59 | DaWorm | hrmm..inter-based meaning its from tremor? |
| 08:01:02 | DaWorm | pj waot |
| 08:01:03 | smee|h | 9am?! eek |
| 08:01:06 | DaWorm | oh cra[ |
| 08:01:10 | DaWorm | what have i been thinking |
| 08:01:14 | DaWorm | mp3 and tremor |
| 08:01:15 | Toykeeper | No, tremor plays oggs. Madplay plays mp3s. |
| 08:01:15 | DaWorm | ahaha |
| 08:01:17 | DaWorm | my bad |
| 08:01:21 | Toykeeper | Heh. :) |
| 08:01:24 | Zxcvb | thre is an ogg plugin (I think) for the builtin media player |
| 08:01:31 | Toykeeper | Otherwise they're pretty much the same idea. |
| 08:01:50 | Toykeeper | I should mention I'm not using opie at all, so its media player is useless to me. |
| 08:02:17 | Zxcvb | Toykeeper: sharp rom? |
| 08:02:22 | Toykeeper | Nope. |
| 08:02:28 | Toykeeper | Familiar, mostly. |
| 08:02:33 | Zxcvb | Toykeeper: text only? |
| 08:02:39 | Toykeeper | http;//familiar.handhelds.org[ |
| 08:02:50 | Toykeeper | Er, /... |
| 08:02:59 | Toykeeper | The interface is X11. |
| 08:03:31 | Zxcvb | Toykeeper: bet that's slow |
| 08:03:31 | prpplague | Toykeeper: what are you babyling about? |
| 08:04:32 | Toykeeper | http://xyzz.org/ipaq/screenshots.php?amount=20 (old) screenshots, if anyone is curious. |
| 08:04:37 | DaWorm | just plain familiar? |
| 08:04:49 | Toykeeper | Uh, x11 runs MUCH faster than opie from what I've seen so far. |
| 08:05:42 | Toykeeper | Anyway, it's a mixed set of packages from openzaurus and familiar. |
| 08:05:54 | DaWorm | oh you use an ipaq? |
| 08:06:11 | Toykeeper | I have an ipaq and a zaurus. Both use x11. |
| 08:06:55 | DaWorm | :D |
| 08:09:55 | smee|h | why would mplayer terminate when the Z suspends? |
| 08:10:19 | smee|h | I dint think there were any signals sent on suspend |
| 08:11:49 | Toykeeper | Weird voodoo happens on suspend. It scares off mplayer. |
| 08:12:17 | Toykeeper | It may be that the filesystem it's playing from gets unmounted, and its source file no longer exists so it exits. |
| 08:12:19 | smee|h | mplayer indeed gets frightened |
| 08:12:40 | Saurian | wonders about compiling lsof for the Z and letting it watch what happens... |
| 08:13:01 | smee|h | Toykeeper: could be |
| 08:13:06 | Toykeeper | What scares me is that I can suspend and resume with files open from MMC and it doesn't screw anything up. |
| 08:13:43 | smee|h | I've gotten confused over what gets unmounted at suspend |
| 08:14:00 | smee|h | I thought SD wasnt unmounted to prevent ext2 corruption |
| 08:14:06 | smee|h | but I've no idea any more |
| 08:14:21 | Toykeeper | Every removable media, network mount, ... basically everything except flash and ramfs. |
| 08:14:43 | smee|h | ah ok |
| 08:15:38 | Toykeeper | My first mmc card wouldn't remount correctly on resume, but I was able to trade it for a working one. |
| 08:16:01 | smee|h | similar |
| 08:16:05 | smee|h | ok - work time |
| 08:16:07 | smee|h | bye |
| 08:16:13 | Toykeeper | :) |
| 08:17:06 | prpplague | Toykeeper: sounds like you been doing some work on the tinyx and z |
| 08:17:21 | Toykeeper | Not exactly. |
| 08:17:34 | Toykeeper | I tried the fam x11 and the sourceforge x11zaurus one. |
| 08:17:44 | Toykeeper | The fam binary wouldn't talk to ztsd, though. :( |
| 08:18:22 | Toykeeper | It works fine, except that matchbox has a problem with resuming. |
| 08:18:29 | Toykeeper | Some sort of timing issue, I think. |
| 08:18:38 | Toykeeper | It works fine if I run it under strace. |
| 08:18:51 | Toykeeper | So I just strace matchbox > /dev/null as a workaround for now. |
| 08:19:37 | Toykeeper | I need to add the Z's backlight and LCD control code into fam's "bl" program. |
| 08:19:49 | Toykeeper | I can't turn my backlight off without suspending... |
| 08:21:29 | Toykeeper | Anyway, I just got x11 set up a few days ago. I've hardly put down my Z since then, because I suddenly have a zillion uses for it. :) |
| 08:23:45 | Toykeeper | prpplague: I'm hoping to try the current tinyX soon, if I can find time. |
| 08:27:23 | prpplague | Toykeeper: ya the bl is on my list as well |
| 08:27:35 | prpplague | Toykeeper: maybe we could work together on it when i get back |
| 08:27:54 | Toykeeper | After the talk I had with my boss today, I doubt I'll be doing any non-work programming for a month. |
| 08:28:06 | prpplague | Toykeeper: ahh |
| 08:28:09 | Toykeeper | :( |
| 08:28:43 | Toykeeper | But I really would like to add Z support to fam packages, and add some extra Z packages in general... |
| 08:29:21 | Toykeeper | A newer kernel in OZ would help.. a lot. |
| 08:29:30 | Toykeeper | The battery status thing bothers me. |
| 08:29:50 | Toykeeper | And a /proc/model (or wherever that is) would be handy too. |
| 08:35:55 | prpplague | Toykeeper: ya i wish i had more time as well to work on these things |
| 08:36:04 | prpplague | Toykeeper: $$ > fun |
| 08:36:45 | Toykeeper | I'm tempted to get a phone monkey tech support job so I can do fun stuff while working. |
| 08:37:12 | Toykeeper | Instead of what I do now, which is... uh, harder. |
| 08:37:47 | Toykeeper | I could even do my current job during the new job. :) |
| 08:38:07 | Toykeeper | ... if I was actually motivated by money, which I'm not. |
| 08:38:58 | prpplague | ya me either, but i really like have food |
| 08:40:33 | Toykeeper | Well, there's that. But I can never get myself to work more than enough to pay bills. |
| 08:49:52 | prpplague | Toykeeper: lol, me either |
| 09:50:34 | anggarda | question: Could I sync my OZ with qtopia-desktop? |
| 09:54:06 | Piete | anggarda: I don't use OZ, but I think so.. |
| 09:54:16 | Piete | anggarda: afaik it uses qtopia too |
| 09:54:27 | anggarda | Piete, I just got a yes on #OZ |
| 09:54:52 | Piete | cool |
| 09:55:50 | anggarda | Piete, hmmm....don't you sleep? |
| 09:56:05 | Piete | I do... occasionally.. |
| 09:56:10 | Piete | :P |
| 09:58:11 | anggarda | Just not tonight huh? |
| 09:59:01 | Piete | heh |
| 09:59:12 | Piete | Nah, I'm just playing with my Z ;) |
| 10:01:05 | Piete | Erg,, my firewall is a pain... I have to tell it to allow access to/from usb0.. But when I boot my computer, and the Zaurus is not plugged in, it does not allow any traffic, because usb0 does not exist :/ |
| 10:03:50 | anggarda | What are you using to control your iptable? |
| 10:12:52 | Data | iptables itself? :) |
| 10:20:52 | Toykeeper | Well. |
| 10:21:04 | Toykeeper | The matchbox-doesn't-resume-right bug is, uh, ... weird. |
| 10:21:28 | Toykeeper | It only happens when matchbox is started via mbstart, which is a 3-line shell script. |
| 10:22:52 | NoGenius | beginner question: is there a tutorial of how to install basic software (e.g. konqueror) on a plain openzaurus-sytem ? |
| 10:25:19 | smad|w | NoGenius: are you having a specific problem? |
| 10:26:10 | NoGenius | smad|w: yes ... just installed openzaurus on my zaurus and got my wireless-card to work. now i want to install konqueror .... dont know how |
| 10:26:46 | smad|w | NoGenius: ipkg (commandline), oipkg (gui), aqpkg (gui) |
| 10:27:06 | smad|w | opikg is found in your settings tab |
| 10:27:27 | smad|w | there are lots of konq/e packages around that dont seem to work with the latest oz however |
| 10:28:03 | | i heard konqueror was at http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/files/konq-e/ or at http://www.konqueror.org |
| 10:28:03 | smad|w | ibot konqueror |
| 10:29:17 | smad|w | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG |
| 10:30:01 | smad|w | grr, perl doesnt like me today |
| 10:50:39 | kolla | that's ok, nobody in their right minds like perl either :) |
| 10:51:49 | smad|w | heh |
| 10:51:58 | anggarda | hmm...kolla...kinda subjective. |
| 10:52:39 | smad|w | I like it :) |
| 10:52:55 | kolla | anggarda: no, it's common sense :) |
| 10:53:29 | smad|w | hehe |
| 10:54:05 | smad|w | kolla: I'm on the verge of buying a socket BT card...have you had any problems with it? |
| 10:54:18 | anggarda | kolla, why? |
| 10:54:21 | kolla | sure, only works with sharp rom |
| 10:54:21 | smad|w | hmm, my shoe is falling apart |
| 10:55:05 | smad|w | it does? oh |
| 10:55:27 | smad|w | why? |
| 10:55:59 | kolla | anggarda: the variable scope is backwards, it's inconsistant, messy, allows insane coding.. |
| 10:56:16 | kolla | a very nice tool for blowing off your own feet though :) |
| 10:56:33 | anggarda | thinks kolla is into java |
| 10:56:38 | kolla | nope |
| 10:56:47 | anggarda | is suprised. |
| 10:57:03 | smad|w | good guess |
| 10:57:23 | NoGenius | smad|w: where do i get this cool looking liquid style with transparent menus ? |
| 10:57:43 | anggarda | For someone who speak horibbly of perl has to be a java advocate. |
| 10:57:43 | smad|w | that's the opie-liquid style |
| 10:57:55 | kolla | I dont code much, but if I grab a python or rexx script, I can find my way through it.. heck even php.. but perl? uh-oh... :) |
| 10:58:22 | smad|w | just install that package and configure it in the Appearance app |
| 10:58:39 | kolla | tries the crow thing |
| 10:58:44 | smad|w | I feel dizzy |
| 10:59:11 | anggarda | kolla, I've no experience with the other scripting languages you mention, can't comment on those. |
| 11:00:32 | kolla | java, c++, c, php, perl, csh... same shit in slightly different wrappings :) |
| 11:02:35 | Mellen | Hello |
| 11:02:53 | anggarda | kolla, true, I don't see python or rex in it. |
| 11:04:43 | Mellen | I'm having trouble with the 2.38 rom. Qtopia desktop thingey can't connect to the zaurus anymore after installing that rom. :/ |
| 11:34:46 | Morkeleb | hi there... i've got a wifi network running, though the distance range is not as I expected. It tells that it can range 150m indorrs, but it doesnt even do a bit of it. i cant even reach from one end of the flat to the other, which is maybe 30m. |
| 11:34:51 | Morkeleb | is that normal? |
| 11:35:36 | xml0 | yep |
| 11:35:59 | xml0 | 150m indoors? never heard such a claim |
| 11:36:58 | Morkeleb | but that it cant even do 30 meters is ... *growls* |
| 11:37:15 | xml0 | what's it going through? walls, anything metal, anything electrical? |
| 11:38:19 | smad|w | could try upgrading the firmware for your access point |
| 11:38:38 | Morkeleb | um... it does go through walls, yes. ive a few cables set through the flat for networking and tv, but thats it i gues |
| 11:39:23 | Morkeleb | its already on the latest version - the one it came with was unstable anyway. (netgear router). |
| 11:39:58 | smad|w | k |
| 11:40:47 | xml0 | you won't typically get through many solid walls |
| 11:41:29 | ||ugh | Move the AP to the center of the space you want to cover. Note that most 802.11b can make it through three walls of the shit used to build with these days here in the USSA. In Europe it's likely to be less. |
| 11:42:38 | ||ugh | There are now some PCMCIA cards that put out 200mw, where most units put out 30mw or maybe 100mw. Another thing you can do is get a better antenna, though most cheap units don't have the connectors for that. |
| 11:45:00 | Morkeleb | yea, i'm in europe, and it can take *counts* two solid walls, but fails at the third. unfortunately its not really an option as of now to move the access point outside the room - it's goal is to have less cables, not more :) |
| 11:45:50 | Morkeleb | aha. well I have the netgear equipment (dont know the numbers of the devices by heart) |
| 11:46:04 | ||ugh | When I am there I put the AP (Linux box really) in a closet in the center of the flat. Works great. |
| 11:47:51 | ||ugh | I have the Netgear CF for my Z and it can war drive from the freeway to the coproate slums _at_ freeway speeds. So that might be the next thing to look at, your CF card. |
| 11:51:28 | | harlekin was last seen on #opie 12 hours, 32 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: n8 [Thu Oct 24 17:19:10 2002] |
| 11:51:28 | mickeyl | ibot seen harlekin |
| 11:51:45 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 12:03:50 | mark | where does the offical rom image come from? |
| 12:04:53 | mark | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp seems dead |
| 12:20:48 | ljp | mark the rom for 5500 is at myzaurus, the rom for 5000d is at the sharp dev site |
| 12:53:55 | Fred_France | Hello everybody |
| 12:54:20 | Fred_France | Hello everybody |
| 13:16:08 | benmeyer | running strip on a binary is just about the same as having: -Wl,gc-sections in the make file... |
| 13:18:43 | prpplague | benmeyer: ya but running strip is so rewarding, i love seeing a app skrink! |
| 13:32:13 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 13:32:42 | Cloudchaser | prpplague: i have a question for you |
| 13:32:55 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: ok |
| 13:32:59 | Cloudchaser | did you say that your z could run for 12 hours? |
| 13:33:09 | Cloudchaser | on a battery of some sort? |
| 13:33:43 | Piete | Hi JasonNJ! |
| 13:34:12 | darienm | Cloudchaser: mine can... |
| 13:34:27 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: ya, i've been using a radioS#$t rc car battery with a switching regular |
| 13:34:44 | Cloudchaser | hiya darienm: |
| 13:34:54 | Cloudchaser | a switching regular? |
| 13:35:20 | prpplague | regulator |
| 13:35:21 | Cloudchaser | and darienm: how do you get yours to? |
| 13:35:46 | Cloudchaser | prpplague: is it big and bulky? and do you have any instructions by chance? |
| 13:36:16 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: still in the testing phase + i have some ppl interest in $$ for it |
| 13:36:33 | Cloudchaser | ah to mass produce them? |
| 13:36:36 | darienm | Cloudchaser: I just have 4 AA batteries in series that plug into the AC/recharging plug. |
| 13:36:56 | Cloudchaser | darienm: ah that sounds like the digipower that i have |
| 13:37:00 | prpplague | darienm: hmm, doesn't that suck them dry pretty quick? |
| 13:37:26 | Cloudchaser | i should test mine to see how long it lasts from full z to the pack empty |
| 13:37:30 | Cloudchaser | never did that |
| 13:37:32 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 13:58:04 | Piete | anyone here with a DCF-650W 802.11b card? |
| 14:02:36 | Snipah | it works piete |
| 14:02:41 | Snipah | dcf-660 is better |
| 14:02:53 | Piete | Snipah: I know... |
| 14:03:18 | Piete | Snipah: do I have to do anything special to get 'discoverer' or kismet to work? |
| 14:03:30 | Piete | Snipah: I'm not picking up any WLANs. |
| 14:04:11 | Snipah | not sure |
| 14:04:16 | Snipah | i havent tried... :-( |
| 14:04:33 | Piete | ok.. |
| 14:04:35 | Piete | I see |
| 14:09:59 | | No results were found searching ZFI for 'fitaly'. |
| 14:09:59 | darienm | ibot search zfi for fitaly |
| 14:10:36 | ljp | fitaly? |
| 14:10:39 | darienm | what's the name of the input method... x-something |
| 14:10:43 | ljp | jumpx |
| 14:10:46 | darienm | YEAH |
| 14:10:51 | | opie-jumpx >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=341 |
| 14:10:52 | | opie-kjumpx >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=343 |
| 14:10:52 | darienm | ibot search zfi for jumpx |
| 14:10:52 | ljp | :D |
| 14:11:04 | ljp | fitaly.. hehehehe |
| 14:11:26 | darienm | its called the FITALY keyboard, because of the letters. |
| 14:11:41 | darienm | see http://www.fitaly.com/ |
| 14:11:49 | darienm | specifically, http://www.fitaly.com/fitaly/fitaly.htm |
| 14:13:34 | darienm | Cloudchaser: I posted a photo of my battery pack on http://zaurus.kruss.com/journal.php |
| 14:17:50 | prpplague | darienm: pretty nice |
| 14:19:53 | Snipah | is that mac emulator really nice? have you tried to run any old mac games? |
| 14:22:35 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:22:50 | Snipah | morning |
| 14:23:30 | chouimat | ni`yhu67587ucv olfopl0-pgp[] |
| 14:23:31 | chouimat | vboplcvopl09o |
| 14:23:32 | chouimat | ]b [c ;p;' |
| 14:25:32 | | Snipah: excuse me? |
| 14:25:32 | Snipah | ibot case |
| 14:25:53 | chouimat | remove his cat from his desk |
| 14:33:25 | WingLover | darinm, that really works? Just 4 Duracells? |
| 14:33:59 | prpplague | darienm: do set the kernel not to charge to battery? |
| 14:35:17 | chouimat | ??? |
| 14:40:09 | prpplague | chouimat: talking about darienm's battery pack |
| 14:40:27 | chouimat | prpplague: for the z? |
| 14:41:02 | prpplague | chouimat: ya, seems thats the latest craze, several ppl including my self are tinkering with them |
| 14:41:20 | chouimat | prpplague: digipower? or home made? |
| 14:41:50 | prpplague | chouimat: well my is home brew, but i intend for to be easily replicable |
| 14:42:17 | chouimat | prpplague: any schematic? |
| 14:42:37 | prpplague | chouimat: nothing yet that i can post |
| 14:42:50 | chouimat | prpplague: how many hours with it? |
| 14:43:16 | prpplague | i'm getting 8 with 802.11b and 12 without |
| 14:43:26 | prpplague | 1350ma |
| 14:44:21 | prpplague | chouimat: that also includes a barcode scanner |
| 14:44:58 | chouimat | prpplague: with all RS parts |
| 14:45:26 | prpplague | chouimat: except the barcode scanner |
| 14:45:33 | chouimat | prpplague: which battery size you use? |
| 14:46:11 | prpplague | http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F004%5F010%5F000%5F000&product%5Fid=23%2D341 |
| 14:47:42 | chouimat | prpplague: 6V? |
| 14:47:57 | hardwire | hi |
| 14:48:04 | prpplague | chouimat: ya i need 5v to run the scanner and some other gadgets |
| 14:48:33 | prpplague | chouimat: + its easier to pipe the 5v directly to the z's power supply input |
| 14:49:15 | prpplague | chouimat: the catch is, i don't want the internal z battery to try and charge from the external battery so i need to tell the kernel no to turn on charging |
| 14:49:32 | numatrix | prpplague: the kernel can do that? I figured that'd be in hardware? |
| 14:50:23 | prpplague | numatrix: i just started digging into the code for that, but its based on some references from kergoth(aka the oz guru) |
| 14:50:46 | numatrix | well, good luck with it |
| 14:51:42 | prpplague | numatrix: well if things go well, i'll either sell the idea or post it as gpl |
| 15:00:17 | hardwire | has the sudden urge to watch romancing the stone |
| 15:01:01 | kergoth | smacks hardwire |
| 15:01:10 | kergoth | benmeyer: /pester ;) |
| 15:01:32 | hardwire | is smacked! |
| 15:05:28 | hardwire | gets sucked to a realm of vaccums |
| 15:06:12 | kergoth | you need help |
| 15:06:15 | kergoth | but thats alright |
| 15:09:33 | darienm | WingLover: Yes, the 4 AA's work |
| 15:09:49 | darienm | prpplague: No changes to kernel, it charges as needed |
| 15:11:07 | prpplague | darienm: thats just it, i don't want the internal to charge |
| 15:12:29 | darienm | odd |
| 15:12:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:13:47 | benmeyer | I have been pestered! |
| 15:14:17 | benmeyer | whats up kergoth |
| 15:14:26 | benmeyer | got the info dialog to automaticly refresh |
| 15:14:29 | kergoth | nice |
| 15:14:31 | benmeyer | need you to look at my C code |
| 15:14:32 | kergoth | theres a new segfault |
| 15:14:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:14:40 | kergoth | the other one is gone though, which is good |
| 15:14:40 | benmeyer | probably is wrong/memory leak or somehting |
| 15:14:43 | benmeyer | don't know enough |
| 15:14:47 | kergoth | alrighty, i'll take a look |
| 15:14:50 | kergoth | need more coffee first |
| 15:14:50 | kergoth | brb |
| 15:14:52 | benmeyer | wExtensions.ccpp |
| 15:14:55 | benmeyer | very small file |
| 15:14:58 | benmeyer | 10 minutes tops |
| 15:15:07 | prpplague | darienm: why's that odd? |
| 15:16:25 | darienm | prpplague: remove the internal then :) |
| 15:17:34 | prpplague | darienm: remove the internal, she no boot |
| 15:18:57 | chouimat | hey Snipah |
| 15:19:02 | Snipah | hi |
| 15:25:20 | numatrix | Snipah -- gansta sniper? |
| 15:25:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:29:51 | chouimat | noda: MOO |
| 15:41:10 | benmeyer | kergoth: got 10 minutes? |
| 15:41:20 | benmeyer | Commited the auto update code |
| 15:42:05 | mdz_ | kergoth: do you have any idea if dmwm incorporated my mkfs.jffs2 hardlinks patch? I haven't touched that stuff recently |
| 15:42:41 | kergoth | mdz_: no idea, i'm not on the mtd lists atm, need to resubscribe after my mailbox went down |
| 15:42:45 | kergoth | benmeyer: yep |
| 15:43:18 | benmeyer | noncore/net/networksetup/wlan/wextensions.cpp |
| 15:43:27 | benmeyer | and ruff on my C code |
| 15:43:35 | benmeyer | and used the wireless applet as a starting point |
| 15:43:49 | kergoth | alrighty |
| 15:43:52 | kergoth | cvs up -Pd |
| 15:49:09 | BigBoss | howdy |
| 15:49:17 | kergoth | hey shawn, hows life |
| 15:49:36 | chouimat | hey BB |
| 15:49:53 | chouimat | kergoth: go see http://trackplus.sf.net |
| 15:50:25 | BigBoss | got a new app coming out on Monday |
| 15:50:33 | Snipah | what is it? |
| 15:50:43 | BigBoss | which only leaves 2 more in the pipe, the rest are on the drawing board |
| 15:50:45 | benmeyer | oh |
| 15:50:48 | kergoth | chouimat: that looks nice.. |
| 15:50:51 | chouimat | tkmail? |
| 15:50:54 | BigBoss | nope |
| 15:50:56 | BigBoss | tkcShopper |
| 15:51:00 | kergoth | benmeyer: reviewing it now. first thing, check for -1 return on the socket() call |
| 15:51:06 | BigBoss | an extremely hard core shopping list program |
| 15:51:15 | jbardin | what is the escape char for ssh? |
| 15:51:31 | chouimat | kergoth: that may be what you search for oz |
| 15:51:34 | kergoth | jbardin: default is ~ .. ~. quits |
| 15:51:41 | kergoth | chouimat: i'm downloading it now. java eh |
| 15:51:52 | BigBoss | that track+ looks a lot better than Mantis we've been using |
| 15:51:58 | jbardin | ctrl-.. ? |
| 15:52:17 | kergoth | BigBoss: much |
| 15:52:21 | kergoth | BigBoss: looks almost usable! |
| 15:52:26 | kergoth | jbardin: ? |
| 15:52:33 | kergoth | jbardin: i just told you. ~. no ctrl. ~ |
| 15:53:10 | jbardin | all i saw was " .. " |
| 15:53:10 | kergoth | jbardin: man ssh for details |
| 15:53:22 | kergoth | 10:43 < kergoth> jbardin: default is ~ .. ~. quits |
| 15:53:34 | kergoth | ~ is the escape char, ~. exits a connection |
| 15:53:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:53:45 | jbardin | oh, damn my bluiry vision\ |
| 15:53:54 | jbardin | thanks |
| 15:53:57 | kergoth | np |
| 15:54:12 | kergoth | ~~ sends a ~ to the other side |
| 15:54:16 | kergoth | good if you've got a ssh within an ssh |
| 15:54:17 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:54:43 | jbardin | that will work if the connection has timed out right? |
| 15:54:51 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:54:54 | kergoth | ~. is your friend |
| 15:54:56 | jbardin | cool |
| 15:55:07 | jbardin | i hate having to killall -9 ssh to free up my terminal |
| 16:01:22 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 16:03:25 | jbardin | Terrible mental image of Steve Balmer wearing a sweat soaked butterfly suit and roller blades, yelling "Developers! Developers!".... |
| 16:03:25 | jbardin | haha |
| 16:03:28 | kergoth | benmeyer: okay, I dont see anything wrong with the code except for the lack of error handling on the socket() call. nothing else grossly missing, and it seems sane and simple. |
| 16:04:40 | chouimat | jbardin: take your medicine |
| 16:05:13 | kergoth | jbardin: dear god man, i'm trying to work here. thats horrid |
| 16:05:17 | jbardin | haha |
| 16:05:30 | jbardin | you guys heard about the nyc msn advertisment campaing |
| 16:06:24 | BigBoss | yea, pretty entertaining |
| 16:06:25 | kergoth | i havent heard |
| 16:06:33 | BigBoss | it's on slashdot |
| 16:06:33 | kergoth | url? |
| 16:06:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:06:35 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:06:37 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-10-25 15:16:54 | England Salutes 150 Years of Eccentric Patents | Malicious Distributed Computing | Microsoft Vandalizes NYC | Galileo's Flyby of Almathea |
| 16:06:37 | BigBoss | ibot slashdot |
| 16:06:46 | BigBoss | it's the vandalization story |
| 16:06:59 | BigBoss | yea, the iamge of a fat sweaty Blamer in a butterfly suit is pretty funny |
| 16:10:45 | jbardin | it could be the next big horror flick, the sweating |
| 16:11:42 | chouimat | jbardin: thanks! I will not eat my lunch today |
| 16:11:53 | jbardin | haha |
| 16:12:27 | jbardin | could you imagine being in the front row of that auditorium when he gave that speach... i dont know how they kept from busting up in histarics |
| 16:21:23 | benmeyer | kergoth: thanks |
| 16:22:28 | benmeyer | kergoth: the thing was that if you called update twice in a row it crashes |
| 16:23:11 | benmeyer | /s/update/the functions |
| 16:23:23 | benmeyer | after a seconds |
| 16:24:08 | Piete | ok, how do I get into console mode? I use shutdown>terminate qtopia,, what then |
| 16:24:10 | Piete | ? |
| 16:24:42 | xml0 | / then a while it's doing the 54321 countdown |
| 16:25:52 | Piete | ahhh thanks.. I kept pressing just 'a' |
| 16:26:41 | Piete | ohhh, console mode :) hmmmmm |
| 16:27:15 | omoore | have had my z since 06-OCT-2002... it freaking cool! :-) |
| 16:27:42 | omoore | man does this thing rock... |
| 16:27:43 | Piete | yea! |
| 16:27:47 | omoore | i have a question.... |
| 16:28:29 | omoore | i have successfully done things like setup ad-hoc wireless networking to use my laptop as a gateway when on site at a client's location... |
| 16:28:55 | omoore | with this.. i can mount a directory of mp3's which i've setup with the *.desktop files |
| 16:29:14 | omoore | so i can literally have GB's of mp3's available to play on my Z while doing things... |
| 16:29:20 | omoore | my question is... |
| 16:29:40 | omoore | other than nfs.. is there a way to mount a directory from my linux box at home via the internet... |
| 16:30:02 | Piete | hmm |
| 16:30:02 | kolla | samba |
| 16:30:06 | kolla | ftpmount |
| 16:30:07 | omoore | so i can have access to all my mp3's at home from my z when it's connected to a sireless network? |
| 16:30:16 | kolla | affs |
| 16:30:40 | kolla | uhm.. why not set up a shoutcast server instead? |
| 16:30:52 | kolla | with web interface perhaps |
| 16:31:18 | kolla | or create some gui with opie-sh |
| 16:31:34 | omoore | kolla: i'd like to use the built in media player.. or xmms |
| 16:31:40 | kolla | exactly |
| 16:31:42 | omoore | kolla: i have xmms installed |
| 16:31:53 | omoore | kolla: what is a shoutcast server? |
| 16:32:07 | kolla | streamer server |
| 16:32:11 | kolla | mp3 stream |
| 16:32:41 | omoore | kolla: sweet.. is shoutcast server a linux product that is open source? |
| 16:32:50 | kolla | there are several |
| 16:33:01 | kolla | search for shoutcast on freshmeat |
| 16:33:07 | kolla | or icecast |
| 16:33:11 | Piete | omoore: a linux shoutcast compatible streamer is Icecast |
| 16:33:16 | Piete | kolla: :) |
| 16:34:12 | omoore | Piete: question about Icecast tho... |
| 16:34:27 | omoore | Piete: anyone would be able to connect, yes? |
| 16:34:33 | kolla | put up access on the caster so that only your set is allowed to connect, put up som interface on the Z to control what is streamed |
| 16:34:54 | omoore | Piete: i see so you can limit the IP's that can connect? |
| 16:34:54 | kolla | your Z I mean.. hehe.. set -> Z |
| 16:35:08 | Piete | omoore: probably :) |
| 16:35:16 | kolla | and max number of clients |
| 16:35:19 | Piete | omoore: I don't use Icecast myself |
| 16:35:40 | omoore | Piete: if that's the case... i'd just setup a cgi script i'd hit with the Z's web browser.. give uname/password.. have the script update the access parameters... sweet |
| 16:36:02 | kolla | I used to stream mp3s from my A600 to a linux box :) |
| 16:37:48 | kolla | the poor A600 onløy had a 40MHz 030, not really fitted for playing mp3's so I wrote a "player daemon" on the linux box that just kept waiting for an mp3 stream.. on the a600 I put together a gui that sent the mp3 stream to the linux box :) |
| 16:38:08 | kolla | looked impressiv, oh well.. gotta go |
| 16:47:08 | kergoth | benmeyer: will you be able to look into the new segfault? if i go into a wireless configuration and only change wireless specific stuff and hit ok all is well, but if i disable dhcp and put in a static config, and hit OK, it immediately segfaults. works fine with usbd0 and other non wireless devices. |
| 16:47:32 | benmeyer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2063333513 |
| 16:47:47 | benmeyer | sure I can look into that |
| 16:50:55 | omoore | btw... |
| 16:51:05 | omoore | anyone got vncserver to work on the SL-5500? |
| 16:51:13 | omoore | when i install and try to use it i get a seg fault |
| 16:52:06 | mark | Neo|Work: ping |
| 16:52:08 | mark | NeoTron: ping |
| 16:53:34 | Piete | omoore: you need libc6 I think.. and that is not with the default ROM.. |
| 16:54:54 | mark | Piete: you sure about that? |
| 16:55:19 | treke | might need a newer libc6, but the rom's gotta have libc6 :) |
| 16:55:25 | Piete | beats me.. |
| 16:55:36 | Piete | when I try to run fbvncserver |
| 16:55:37 | kergoth | benmeyer: thanks |
| 16:55:47 | Piete | it tells me I'm missing libc6 |
| 16:56:00 | kergoth | Piete: what package are you trying to install? |
| 16:56:41 | Piete | fbvncserver |
| 16:56:50 | kergoth | what specific package |
| 16:56:51 | kergoth | from where |
| 16:57:27 | Piete | hmm |
| 16:57:41 | Piete | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=21 |
| 16:58:11 | kergoth | just install it with -force-depends |
| 16:58:20 | kergoth | or use the fbvncserver package off the zaurus sf project |
| 16:58:35 | Piete | hmm, k |
| 16:58:40 | Piete | thanks |
| 16:59:47 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 17:00:34 | Neo|Work | mark: pong |
| 17:01:29 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 15:41:48) |
| 17:01:52 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 17:06:01 | kergoth | hey [MiniMe]. ever get that oz buildroot built? |
| 17:10:06 | Snipah | i shall call him MINIME |
| 17:11:10 | Neo|Work | yo snipah |
| 17:30:36 | Neo|Work | http://www.toyvault.com/cthulhu/plush_cthulhu.html !!! |
| 17:31:09 | toptnc | hi all |
| 17:31:53 | toptnc | i need help setting up my cross-compiling environment |
| 17:32:10 | toptnc | is there any libc6-dev package? |
| 17:32:32 | Piete | hehe, nice Neo| |
| 17:34:29 | Neo|Work | Piete: isn't it? I especielly like the santa one |
| 17:35:03 | Piete | yea :) |
| 17:39:48 | kergoth | plush cthulhu? aha |
| 17:40:29 | chouimat | I want the large Gothic one |
| 17:40:36 | Neo|Work | I wonder if they are for sale anywhere |
| 17:40:49 | Neo|Work | the website lacks any such info and the news page was last updated 2 yrs ago |
| 17:41:36 | treke | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1778303551 |
| 17:42:20 | treke | theres a butt load of them on ebay |
| 17:43:38 | Neo|Work | treke: heh, cool |
| 17:44:15 | Neo|Work | "he'll be sure to attract alot of attention! (Before he eats your other toys)" |
| 17:44:17 | chouimat | how much? |
| 17:46:02 | Neo|Work | $10+ or so perhaps |
| 17:46:27 | kergoth | anyone know if SF has tomcat running? |
| 17:46:49 | chouimat | kergoth: trying track+? |
| 17:48:01 | kergoth | chouimat: trying to :) |
| 17:49:04 | chouimat | kergoth: I will install it on one of my server here |
| 17:49:36 | kergoth | k |
| 17:49:58 | Neo|Work | track+? some bug tracking java thingie? |
| 17:50:07 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:50:17 | kergoth | looks better than mantis,gnats,bugzilla, etc |
| 17:51:02 | benmeyer | grumbles |
| 17:51:15 | benmeyer | I know the _right_ way to do it, but I don't really want to... |
| 17:51:21 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 17:51:36 | chouimat | kergoth: and project manager |
| 17:51:44 | benmeyer | The right way to fix the segfault is to create a lib that contains interfaces |
| 17:51:51 | benmeyer | but I just want to use pointer hopping |
| 17:52:12 | benmeyer | someone bet me that I can't do it in 10 minutes |
| 17:52:39 | treke | i et you cant do it in 10 minutes |
| 17:52:42 | kergoth | benmeyer: er, why's it happening? |
| 17:52:54 | benmeyer | no talk, code |
| 17:53:15 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:53:17 | kergoth | fix it |
| 17:53:21 | kergoth | tell me later |
| 17:53:22 | Neo|Work | kergoth: URL? |
| 17:53:23 | kergoth | is curious |
| 17:53:34 | kergoth | Neo|Work: http://trackplus.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:53:45 | kergoth | Neo|Work: trying to test it out, but didnt have a tomcat server handy :) |
| 17:55:00 | Neo|Work | "MySQL and Oracle 7, 8, 8i upon request" ... |
| 17:55:10 | Neo|Work | that's like the most likely ones you'd want |
| 17:55:26 | Neo|Work | I mean, wtf is Firebird SDL and who uses Interbase? |
| 17:55:35 | Neo|Work | anyhow, mtg |
| 17:55:41 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 17:55:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:56:35 | chouimat | kergoth: shit no postgresql :( |
| 17:57:24 | chouimat | firbird is an interbase derived database |
| 18:02:39 | chouimat | brb |
| 18:07:08 | coup | UK people, if you need screen protectors for your Z, i mailed expansys and asked them to try some out on the Z and work out which protectors fit it. they said these ones for the Journada work well, with about 1mm around the edge: http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=EXP-PROTEC-560 |
| 18:07:14 | coup | i shall be ordering some directly :) |
| 18:14:11 | benmeyer | Other then restarting |
| 18:14:19 | benmeyer | how do I tell the z to rescan for libs? |
| 18:14:48 | sjohnson | benmeyer: For installed new libraries? ldconfig |
| 18:14:48 | mark | ldconfig? |
| 18:15:02 | mark | ldconfig -v to see what its caching |
| 18:15:33 | BigBoss | woohoo |
| 18:15:41 | mark | BigBoss: ? |
| 18:15:43 | BigBoss | I just got a free ticket to game 6 of the world series tomorrow |
| 18:15:56 | treke | coool |
| 18:16:21 | mark | world series? what sports that? |
| 18:16:25 | treke | baseball |
| 18:19:27 | Data__ | is gone. Gone since Fri Oct 18 11:00:00 2002 |
| 18:21:33 | coup | is there a "theregister.co.uk" pda page? there's no /palm or /pda, but its too WIDE to read on a Z :) guessing not, as mazingo doesn't use one |
| 18:22:04 | XavierXeon | i was looking for a register pda page but could not find any |
| 18:28:52 | retsel | anyone in this channel had a chance to use a SL-5600 yet -- a pre-release one? |
| 18:29:33 | coup | SL 5600? |
| 18:29:54 | treke | coup: next zaurus |
| 18:30:04 | retsel | SL-5600 is scheduled to be released in later November or early December by Sharp |
| 18:30:57 | Bovine | and I just got my 5500 :( |
| 18:31:27 | retsel | I ask because the SL-5600 will have an XScale processor, from what I understand, and I wanted to know if Sharp has recompiled for the XScale, or is running arm4 code on the processor like Microsoft is... |
| 18:32:15 | cdm | retsel: Not really that big of a deal. |
| 18:32:33 | XavierXeon | starts to save money |
| 18:32:33 | retsel | Bovine, FYI, the form factor is the same, but has XScale and 128M RAM |
| 18:32:35 | cdm | retsel: the press miss-represented the performance impact due to a bug in the CPU itself. |
| 18:33:06 | cdm | retsel: so lets hope that Sharp is going to be able to start shipping with chips that are fixed. |
| 18:33:06 | retsel | cmd: hm, I missed that somehow. Has the CPU bug been fixed? Can you point me as some reference reading? |
| 18:33:24 | cdm | retsel: I have a pdf from Intel's site with the errata list for the PXA250. |
| 18:33:38 | cdm | really wishes people would stop simply calling the PXA250 "Xscale". |
| 18:33:49 | cdm | it's like talking about my new 400Mhz x86. |
| 18:35:07 | BigBoss | all our experience with XScale at this stage, verified by Intel, is that they are really running at about half speed |
| 18:35:11 | BigBoss | this is a chip problem |
| 18:35:32 | cdm | BigBoss: PXA250 |
| 18:35:48 | cdm | BigBoss: there are several Xscale based CPUs and they are not all hindered by the PXA250's cache issues. |
| 18:36:16 | BigBoss | I don't know the model numbers, but the 200mhz in the A-300 has a problem |
| 18:36:23 | BigBoss | and the 400mhz, not sure which one |
| 18:36:44 | cdm | BigBoss: they are both PXA's. |
| 18:37:00 | cdm | BigBoss: There are also IXP's and another series that use Xscale. |
| 18:37:16 | cdm | BigBoss: The A-300 as a PXA220 I belive. |
| 18:37:51 | cdm | And the major performance bug is that the PXA250's cache controler is busted so that the write-back cache has to be turned off. |
| 18:38:00 | cdm | so that means the memory controler can't optimize for bust writes into DRAM. |
| 18:38:04 | cdm | burst. |
| 18:38:10 | cdm | so every write is direct to DRAM. |
| 18:38:24 | cdm | which causes the CPU to have to wait for the DRAM. |
| 18:38:27 | cdm | and rate limits it. |
| 18:38:35 | retsel | cdm: why do PDA makers keep shipping the buggy PXA chips? I've read that the bug causes significant performance problems. It will be hard for me to justify SL-5600s to my customers if they are slower/same as SL-5500s. |
| 18:39:07 | cdm | retsel: Yep, it is the same with the Ipaq 39xx series. |
| 18:39:14 | cdm | retsel: They quickly dropped the price. |
| 18:39:19 | XavierXeon | 128 MB RAM is some kind of justification |
| 18:39:53 | cdm | retsel: There are very few situations where the 400Mhz PXA250 will under-perform the SA1110, so if the cost isn't much different then it is worth while. |
| 18:40:00 | cdm | I love the iPaq 39xx's screen. |
| 18:40:04 | cdm | it is amazing. |
| 18:42:15 | cdm | hey Snipah |
| 18:42:19 | cdm | getting bad? |
| 18:42:22 | Snipah | hi cdm |
| 18:42:27 | retsel | cmd: is the screen technolgy in the iPaq 39xx == to the SL-5500? I'm not very familiar w/the iPaq. My customers are in love with the Zaurus keyboard, plus Sharp has been good to work with. |
| 18:42:33 | treke | cdm: The screen much of an approvement? |
| 18:43:07 | cdm | treke: the 3900 series iPaq is the best PDA in the world because of it's screen. |
| 18:43:10 | sjohnson | retsel: Ipaq 39xx screen is a transreflexive screen. It's better then the old IPAQ reflexive screen |
| 18:44:12 | Techie2000 | The Zaurus is too |
| 18:44:14 | cdm | Snipah: the new Zaurus will have as good as a screen right? ;) |
| 18:44:14 | Techie2000 | Reflective TFT LCD with Front Light (touch sensitive panel supported), 3.5" with 240x320 pixel, 65,536 colors |
| 18:44:21 | Snipah | cdm: yes |
| 18:44:26 | cdm | Techie2000: no, the Z's screen is crap. |
| 18:44:34 | cdm | Techie2000: part of it due to the touch-screen. |
| 18:44:43 | cdm | Techie2000: but even the screen under is not as nice as the 39xx. |
| 18:45:02 | cdm | Techie2000: but I am sure they will fix that to remain competitive. |
| 18:45:03 | Techie2000 | cdm: Oh I got confused. I actually like the Zaurus's screen. |
| 18:45:21 | sjohnson | Techie2000: The IPAQ 39xx screen is better |
| 18:45:22 | Techie2000 | cdm: course it's hard to hate it when I went from a Handspring Visor Delue to the Zaurus |
| 18:45:28 | treke | looks forward to the ipaq 4000 or whatever is next then :) |
| 18:45:28 | oGMo | the z's lcd is too deep too |
| 18:45:39 | Techie2000 | I never saw an iPaq C39xx screen |
| 18:46:08 | Techie2000 | They should "permantly borrow" the iPaq screen for the Zaurus |
| 18:46:12 | Techie2000 | :-) |
| 18:46:18 | cdm | Techie2000: and that is where I am sure it is going. |
| 18:46:37 | cdm | part of the issue with the current Z is that the touch screen causes interference patterns to be displayed. |
| 18:46:39 | mrwoody | does anyone use hotplug with usbdnet successfully? |
| 18:46:43 | cdm | kinda like morie patterns. |
| 18:46:53 | chouimat | wooooo! the VPN work and they see my Z on it |
| 18:46:59 | Techie2000 | cdm: I never noticed. |
| 18:47:07 | Techie2000 | Anyone see the new case Sharp has for the Zaurus |
| 18:47:15 | Techie2000 | http://myzaurus.com/acc_Carry.asp |
| 18:48:03 | retsel | Techie2000: I've had one of those cases for about 4 months. They're nice -- sortof cheap leather-ish knockoff material, though. |
| 18:48:10 | XavierXeon | mrwoody: i had it working with the 2.4.28 kernel |
| 18:48:21 | XavierXeon | 2.4.18 that is |
| 18:48:50 | mrwoody | XavierXeon: .28? |
| 18:49:07 | XavierXeon | 2.4.18 (type error) |
| 18:49:11 | mrwoody | XavierXeon: had it means that it doesn't work with the .19? |
| 18:49:19 | Techie2000 | retsel: How does it work as far as letting the keyboard open and oversize CF cards? |
| 18:49:32 | retsel | Techie2000: the case, when zipped, will allow the Z to reliably withstand about a 4ft drop, btw. |
| 18:49:40 | mrwoody | XavierXeon: i use .19 but i am having problems... i.e. it doesn't see when i eject it from the craddle |
| 18:49:58 | retsel | Techie2000: keyboard opens fine in this case -- the case is made w/that in mind. |
| 18:50:19 | XavierXeon | mrwoody: under 2.4.19 i need to do a manuall "insmod usbdnet" |
| 18:50:37 | Techie2000 | retsel: Sounds good. I'll put it on my Christmas list then :-). |
| 18:50:46 | sjohnson | retsel: It doesn't use velcro, does it? |
| 18:50:48 | mrwoody | XavierXeon: in my case i have to do a manual rmmod usbdnet (the insmod part works :-)) |
| 18:51:01 | mrwoody | XavierXeon: that is funny though |
| 18:51:09 | retsel | Techie2000: w/the keyboard out, the case is a little in the way of your left hand, for thumb typing, but it's bearable. I also find myself pulling the Z out of the case for prolonged typing. It's easy to pull it in and out. |
| 18:51:35 | XavierXeon | mrwoody: once usbdnet has brought up inteface usb0 i can remove and put it back into the cradle |
| 18:51:51 | mrwoody | XavierXeon: strange i have the opposite problem |
| 18:52:05 | retsel | sjohnson: no, the case is built to hold the Z in place w/out any velcro or anything. The case itself zips closed. |
| 18:52:13 | Techie2000 | retsel: Okay. Well at least it comes easily out then. |
| 18:52:40 | Techie2000 | retsel: How many credit cards and other pockets does it have? |
| 18:53:26 | retsel | Techie2000: 2xSD card slots, 2xcredit card/CF slots, 2xUS dollar size slots. |
| 18:54:22 | Techie2000 | retsel: Thanks |
| 18:55:36 | retsel | Techie2000: btw, I also prefer dual, or tri-mode stylus pens. I have one that is a black pen, a 0.5mm mech pencil, and a stylus. It zips up nicely inside the case, just sitting in the fold. |
| 18:57:51 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 15 hours, 55 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: but since I don't use gnome at all, I am in no hurry [Wed Oct 23 21:02:36 2002] |
| 18:57:51 | Harlekin | ibot: seen warmi |
| 18:58:10 | coup | ouch! 1gb CF card: £580 |
| 19:02:06 | Techie2000 | retsel: As do I.I have a Laserpointer/Pen/Stylus thing I got from Thinkgeek. |
| 19:06:40 | XavierXeon | needs more bandwidth for system udate |
| 19:21:04 | Debolaz | Does anyone know where I can buy a Zaurus? I live in Norway, and sharp.co.uk doesn't seem to be too eager to ship orders here.. |
| 19:21:41 | Harlekin | Debolaz: driver over the german border and head to saturn or promarkt |
| 19:22:03 | Debolaz | :( |
| 19:22:06 | benmeyer | Bla nfs takes sooooo long |
| 19:22:09 | benmeyer | to mount anything |
| 19:22:10 | benmeyer | on oz |
| 19:23:21 | Neo|Work | sounds like some daemon is missing or something |
| 19:23:48 | Debolaz | There was a mention in a norwegian internet newspaper that you could order them from the uk if you claimed to be a developer, does anyone know anything about this? |
| 19:40:43 | | somebody said xcompile was just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 19:40:43 | noidd | ibot, xcompile |
| 19:44:17 | edhod | Hi, my usbdnet connection keeps hanging my RH7.3 box, kernel 2.4.19, using usb-uhci. Anyone got any suggestion on how to fix it? |
| 19:44:54 | I-Ball | hi all |
| 19:44:56 | noidd | edhod: yes, there is another type of usb driver which clashes |
| 19:45:58 | I-Ball | anyone here in Germany? |
| 19:46:09 | edhod | noidd: any idea which one, i dont have or never have had CDCether installed. |
| 19:46:39 | noidd | that was the one |
| 19:47:19 | noidd | hey mandrake |
| 19:47:21 | mandrake | howdy |
| 19:47:27 | noidd | hows it going? |
| 19:47:30 | mandrake | not too bad |
| 19:47:35 | hardwire | howdy |
| 19:47:47 | hardwire | got his ps2 linux kit today |
| 19:47:47 | Cloudchaser | hello everyone! happy friday! |
| 19:47:47 | I-Ball | howdee |
| 19:47:49 | edhod | hmm, never been near that, i can setup the connection but once i transfer anything large it completely freezes my box! |
| 19:47:53 | hardwire | is it friday? |
| 19:47:58 | hardwire | SHIUT! |
| 19:47:58 | noidd | a very happy friday in fact :-( |
| 19:48:00 | noidd | :-) |
| 19:48:04 | Harlekin | I-Ball: /who helps |
| 19:48:23 | I-Ball | how is that ps2 linux gear working out? |
| 19:48:23 | ciao_linux | i try again: does anyway manage to use hotplug with usbdnet successfully? |
| 19:48:33 | hardwire | I-Ball its installing the OS atm |
| 19:48:42 | I-Ball | cool |
| 19:48:49 | hardwire | redhat |
| 19:48:50 | hardwire | :( |
| 19:48:51 | noidd | oh yeah, sony were at linux expo selling linux on ps/2 |
| 19:48:55 | noidd | was kinda cool |
| 19:48:56 | hardwire | is going to slap debian on here ASAP |
| 19:48:57 | I-Ball | I gots a ps2...is it worth it? |
| 19:49:07 | hardwire | I-Ball: its still installing :) |
| 19:49:20 | edhod | ciao_linux: i'm trying to get that sorted right now, without any success! |
| 19:49:31 | noda | Why bother with it? The PS2 can't do what a computer can do... beyond the novelty I see not much point. |
| 19:49:34 | hardwire | about to slap a bootloader on the memory card |
| 19:49:38 | I-Ball | will it handle Suse? |
| 19:49:39 | hardwire | its gonna kill my savegames :( |
| 19:49:45 | hardwire | I-Ball seek a webpage |
| 19:49:54 | ciao_linux | edhod: mine works half way (i.e. if i manually rmmod usbdnet)... |
| 19:49:56 | I-Ball | geek factor of 10 there |
| 19:49:59 | hardwire | noda: dvd/divx player |
| 19:50:02 | hardwire | export audio to it |
| 19:50:05 | hardwire | run blender on it :) |
| 19:50:20 | hardwire | it can do everything a normal machine can do |
| 19:50:24 | hardwire | its a 400mhz mips |
| 19:50:30 | I-Ball | that has to better than the built-in dvd player |
| 19:50:31 | hardwire | it will suffice for most things :) |
| 19:50:40 | hardwire | it also has a faster bus than x86 world will ever imagine |
| 19:51:02 | edhod | ciao_linux: if i modprobe usbdnet then i can setup a connection but it hangs the linux box after a while. |
| 19:51:03 | noda | hardwire: PS2 already plays dvd's |
| 19:51:06 | I-Ball | watching Sopranos on mine right now |
| 19:51:12 | noda | divx I guess is nice though. |
| 19:51:30 | hardwire | anyhoot.. noda.. don't knock it till you've had your fancy full of it :) |
| 19:51:31 | noda | only has a computer - 19" screen so I plug my PS2 into the TV :) |
| 19:51:37 | ciao_linux | edhod: if you want to use hotplug you don't need to modprobe |
| 19:51:38 | noda | grins. |
| 19:51:46 | ciao_linux | edhod: what distro? |
| 19:51:49 | I-Ball | but it plays dvd like CRAP...crashes on some dvds |
| 19:51:55 | hardwire | can play ps2 games on his 24" monitor now |
| 19:51:58 | hardwire | these should look nice |
| 19:52:05 | hardwire | crashes on tron :) |
| 19:52:08 | edhod | ciao_linux: Redhat 7.3 |
| 19:52:13 | hardwire | armagatron on the ps2 |
| 19:52:17 | hardwire | thats what I am talking about |
| 19:52:49 | ciao_linux | edhod: if you want i can send you by email a documentation that helped me a lot (but i am using debian, so i am not sure) |
| 19:52:58 | ciao_linux | edhod: otherwise you can ask benmeyer |
| 19:53:11 | benmeyer | hears name |
| 19:53:21 | benmeyer | hardwire: what monitor do you have? |
| 19:53:31 | hardwire | the sony W900 |
| 19:53:40 | hardwire | somebody else in here has one I thought |
| 19:53:43 | ciao_linux | benmeyer: did you try to use hotplug? |
| 19:53:45 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/network.shtml |
| 19:53:58 | benmeyer | I have the Sony's GDM-FW900 |
| 19:54:02 | hardwire | yeah |
| 19:54:04 | hardwire | the pretty one :) |
| 19:54:05 | hardwire | I want |
| 19:54:13 | hardwire | sorta traded off for the one he has now |
| 19:55:11 | I-Ball | well, chatting via Zaurus isn't TOO bad I guess |
| 19:55:35 | I-Ball | it helps improve my typing on this tiny keyboard :) |
| 19:55:38 | hardwire | theres a kitty on me |
| 19:55:43 | Techie2000 | yes that's how I practiced |
| 19:55:44 | hardwire | oh golly gee |
| 19:56:00 | Techie2000 | I installed OPIE IRC or whatever it's called and it helped me become more efficiant |
| 19:56:01 | benmeyer | hardwire: I ended up buying mine new after I found a place that gave me a deal |
| 19:56:04 | Techie2000 | I can now type in the dark |
| 19:56:09 | benmeyer | nothing quite like the day I got it |
| 19:56:25 | benmeyer | the delivery guy wouldn't even bring it inside, even gave me the crate for free |
| 19:56:28 | benmeyer | to take apart |
| 19:56:33 | Harlekin | benmeyer: the chair is nice |
| 19:56:38 | benmeyer | then the box wouldn't fit through the door |
| 19:56:39 | benmeyer | haha |
| 19:56:42 | I-Ball | Frankfurt sure has a load of open WLAN APs too |
| 19:56:50 | treke | benmeyer: good lord, how much does that way? |
| 19:56:58 | treke | er weigh |
| 19:57:24 | benmeyer | 110lbs I think |
| 19:57:40 | benmeyer | or 101, somthing big ass |
| 19:57:56 | I-Ball | lord, that's HEAVY |
| 19:58:02 | hardwire | benmeyer I live on the 3rd floor |
| 19:58:10 | benmeyer | ouch |
| 19:58:15 | I-Ball | its like two tank rounds |
| 19:58:18 | benmeyer | yah I moved to a second floor |
| 19:58:22 | benmeyer | had a friend carry it |
| 19:58:24 | hardwire | because of your monitor :) |
| 19:58:30 | benmeyer | heck I don't think I have ever not had help moving it |
| 19:58:35 | I-Ball | basement apartments rock |
| 19:58:41 | hardwire | moved the stuff fine by himself |
| 19:58:49 | hardwire | it just isn't the coolest thing in the world |
| 19:58:51 | benmeyer | Built a custom desk to hold it |
| 19:58:55 | benmeyer | 3 feet deep |
| 19:59:00 | hardwire | most people look at it and say "you can get that" |
| 19:59:04 | benmeyer | and 2"x4" braces |
| 19:59:07 | hardwire | yeah |
| 19:59:10 | hardwire | I need a new desk |
| 19:59:10 | I-Ball | except for the foot thick concrete walls screwing my wlan |
| 19:59:26 | hardwire | awesome |
| 19:59:29 | hardwire | the ps2 install broke |
| 19:59:30 | hardwire | :) |
| 19:59:47 | I-Ball | that sucks the proverbial ass |
| 19:59:51 | hardwire | is fscking at the moment |
| 20:00:48 | noda | hardwire: You just couldn't help but say that, eh? :P |
| 20:00:52 | benmeyer | ha! the price of my monitor has gone up |
| 20:00:53 | benmeyer | sweet |
| 20:00:53 | noda | read it wrong the first time :P |
| 20:00:56 | benmeyer | now it is 1999 |
| 20:01:03 | noda | benmeyer: WOW. what monitor? |
| 20:01:05 | hardwire | ? |
| 20:01:07 | Hellaenergy | man they beat us to it |
| 20:01:11 | Hellaenergy | http://www.flashmagazine.com/html/653 |
| 20:01:26 | I-Ball | woah, what the hell kinda monitor is it? |
| 20:01:32 | hardwire | theres not a lot of meat on these kitties legs |
| 20:01:36 | noda | hardwire: Well, I mentally replaced the "s" with a "u" of course ;) |
| 20:01:37 | benmeyer | 92.6lbs |
| 20:01:41 | benmeyer | from Sony's site |
| 20:02:04 | hardwire | noda: :) |
| 20:02:05 | noda | (gives hole new meaning to a hard drive scan) |
| 20:02:06 | benmeyer | recomended res 1920x1200, don't think I run it over 1600 though |
| 20:02:15 | hardwire | if i were fscking the way you put it.. I would not be here |
| 20:02:34 | noda | benmeyer: That is VERY heavy... |
| 20:02:43 | benmeyer | indeed |
| 20:02:49 | benmeyer | but 24" of oh so goodness |
| 20:02:52 | I-Ball | that would throw my knee out |
| 20:02:57 | hardwire | I hope I never ever have to carry something that heavy over the threshold someday |
| 20:03:05 | noda | Some day.... some day I'll have that. |
| 20:03:08 | benmeyer | you would never think how cool it is until you have to _move_ your eyes to see the whole screen |
| 20:03:09 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:03:11 | noda | Actually I think my next monitor will be an LCD. |
| 20:03:14 | noda | rofl |
| 20:03:23 | noda | 19" LCD... *drools* |
| 20:03:25 | hardwire | benmeyer: I share your cries of happyness |
| 20:03:26 | I-Ball | noda: ditto |
| 20:03:39 | benmeyer | hardwire: where are you located? |
| 20:03:42 | I-Ball | saw one for $250 today |
| 20:03:50 | hardwire | benmeyer: fort collins, colorado |
| 20:03:52 | noda | I-Ball: A 19" LCD for $250??? |
| 20:03:58 | I-Ball | cheap Dicoh |
| 20:04:04 | benmeyer | ah, little to far away. I would be cool to have a dual setup.... |
| 20:04:08 | I-Ball | no 15" |
| 20:04:10 | hardwire | whatch what you say in here I-Ball |
| 20:04:38 | I-Ball | sorry, didn't mean to cause heart problems :) |
| 20:04:50 | hardwire | was referring to the slang "dicoh" word |
| 20:05:04 | I-Ball | 15"....like my penis |
| 20:05:11 | noda | Wow, even 15" is pretty sweet for $250. |
| 20:05:18 | hardwire | you just chose the wrong time and the wrong place |
| 20:05:18 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:05:37 | I-Ball | never used dicoh...whats wrong with them? |
| 20:05:45 | hardwire | nm |
| 20:05:48 | hardwire | I am just being a turd |
| 20:05:59 | hardwire | whens I get that syrup in me.. I get all antsy in my pantsies |
| 20:06:03 | I-Ball | oh...I'm slow today...exam |
| 20:06:14 | BigBoss | where did you see a $250 lcd? |
| 20:06:16 | hardwire | perfect day to be slow |
| 20:07:05 | chouimat | is bored |
| 20:07:13 | I-Ball | PX in Hanau Germany |
| 20:08:36 | chouimat | huh? mosfet is still alive? |
| 20:08:36 | chouimat | oops wrong channel |
| 20:09:26 | I-Ball | whadda you mean your pregnant? |
| 20:09:33 | I-Ball | oops, wrong channel |
| 20:09:38 | I-Ball | :) |
| 20:11:40 | hardwire | ? |
| 20:11:46 | ljp_work | heh |
| 20:11:57 | ljp_work | hate when that happens |
| 20:11:57 | I-Ball | how goes the ps2 linux? |
| 20:12:22 | hardwire | broken |
| 20:12:22 | ljp_work | needs another monitor |
| 20:12:23 | hardwire | haha |
| 20:12:23 | noidd | bed for me |
| 20:12:24 | noidd | later guys |
| 20:12:25 | chouimat | ljp_work: what? |
| 20:13:02 | ljp_work | chouimat: <I-Ball> whadda you mean your pregnant? |
| 20:13:51 | chouimat | ljp_work: I like this question? |
| 20:13:57 | chouimat | ljp_work: I like this question:) |
| 20:14:03 | BigBoss | you people are all sluts and should use a little birth control |
| 20:14:22 | hardwire | scary! |
| 20:14:24 | ljp_work | heh marriage is a natural birth control |
| 20:14:46 | chouimat | BigBoss: abstinence :) |
| 20:15:00 | hardwire | BigPimpDaddy |
| 20:15:01 | ljp_work | thats unnatural |
| 20:15:07 | hardwire | true that |
| 20:15:11 | hardwire | my nature tells me to hump |
| 20:15:19 | ljp_work | me too |
| 20:15:27 | hardwire | stay away from me |
| 20:15:58 | ljp_work | boy I hate when I wake up, and look over... and realize... who I slept with |
| 20:15:58 | hash | kergoth: i cant get the upgrade to work... what rom should i use? |
| 20:16:58 | chouimat | ljp_work: I hate when I wake up and telling me how many beers I drank last night .... |
| 20:17:06 | I-Ball | so what is the most popular rom? I like Crow's myself |
| 20:17:22 | ljp_work | I prefer to run openzaurus |
| 20:17:39 | I-Ball | feels a hankering to try OZ |
| 20:17:40 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/ns/ |
| 20:17:47 | benmeyer | Enjoy fun screenshots! |
| 20:18:12 | ljp_work | i_ball: oz will be releasing 3.0 soon |
| 20:18:27 | I-Ball | trying to get X to instal...won't go to CF though |
| 20:18:34 | Techie2000 | I currently run The Sharp ROM, but will probably try OZ when 3.0 comes out |
| 20:18:44 | I-Ball | how soon for 3.0? |
| 20:19:05 | bipolar | I-Ball: Any day now. |
| 20:19:06 | ljp_work | soon as benmeyer fixes the network setup app |
| 20:19:24 | I-Ball | Real Soon Now (tm)? |
| 20:19:39 | benmeyer | ljp_work: what is still broken? |
| 20:19:57 | I-Ball | i live and die by my wireless card on this thing |
| 20:20:06 | BigBoss | my problem with OZ originally is that the wireless networking didn't work at all |
| 20:20:16 | BigBoss | but that was a long time ago |
| 20:20:37 | I-Ball | how does it do wireless now anyone? |
| 20:21:08 | ljp_work | benmeyer: kergoth was saying last night it still segfaults |
| 20:21:13 | benmeyer | yah |
| 20:21:16 | benmeyer | I just fixed that |
| 20:21:34 | benmeyer | profiles still don't work, but that tab can just be hidden for now |
| 20:21:41 | benmeyer | they don't work because of a change I made today |
| 20:21:50 | Techie2000 | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs.shtml <---I like. Good links for Zaurus stuff |
| 20:22:11 | benmeyer | Those are all of the little things I have written |
| 20:22:12 | hash | so what rom should i use to upgrade to the current unstable feed? |
| 20:23:18 | Techie2000 | I like the Opera, Jeode, and Hancom repackager things I'm reading. I will use them when I switch to OZ |
| 20:23:47 | I-Ball | techie: same here...Jeode is kinda slow though |
| 20:24:34 | ljp_work | feels like going home and experimenting with networking |
| 20:24:49 | Techie2000 | I-Ball: Yeah. i have only 1 Jeode app I use (dice roller) but other than that I stay away from most Jeode stuff |
| 20:24:59 | I-Ball | pretty sad though....three chat clients and only ONE email client? |
| 20:25:06 | I-Ball | ack |
| 20:30:14 | benmeyer | Why does df report that my CF card is 1/2 full when there isn't a single file in it? |
| 20:31:08 | Techie2000 | How did you format it? |
| 20:31:50 | benmeyer | didn't |
| 20:33:38 | Techie2000 | Hmm |
| 20:33:55 | Techie2000 | I'd try formatting it then... |
| 20:34:45 | benmeyer | yah |
| 20:34:53 | benmeyer | cleared up 32MB of lost spacre |
| 20:35:57 | Techie2000 | good |
| 20:36:25 | Techie2000 | How big is the CF card anyways? |
| 20:37:28 | benmeyer | 64 |
| 20:38:15 | Techie2000 | Oh okay. |
| 20:38:44 | markpmc | hello all |
| 20:40:01 | Techie2000 | Hello |
| 20:40:12 | hardwire | hello |
| 20:40:19 | hardwire | bingo |
| 20:40:29 | markpmc | what do java apps look like on the Z? ie. Symbians pj uses native controls, so a java app looks native. |
| 20:40:43 | hardwire | I guess |
| 20:40:45 | hardwire | native looking |
| 20:40:51 | hardwire | how do you describe a gui? |
| 20:40:56 | BigBoss | the java apps I've seen look rather cartoony |
| 20:41:04 | hardwire | that works :) |
| 20:41:15 | BigBoss | blocky, garish colors |
| 20:41:33 | markpmc | personal java has a cartoon look by default..... |
| 20:42:09 | markpmc | perhaps I'm wasting my time writing pj apps for the Z |
| 20:42:21 | ljp_work | pj? |
| 20:42:33 | markpmc | sorry - personal java |
| 20:42:45 | ljp_work | ahhh |
| 20:44:34 | markpmc | Guess I would've known if I had a Z :) |
| 20:44:39 | BigBoss | in my house 'pj' is pajamas |
| 20:46:15 | ljp_work | thats what I thought when I read it |
| 20:46:19 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_work: hey |
| 20:46:23 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd you fix that cardmon problem |
| 20:46:32 | ljp_work | which problem? |
| 20:46:55 | ljp_work | where it was ejecting sd's when cf's inserted? |
| 20:47:31 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:47:45 | ljp_work | that was simple.. there was a bool that needed to get falsified always at the start of the function |
| 20:48:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 20:48:13 | TheMasterMind1 | what other stuff did you fix in it? |
| 20:48:36 | ljp_work | well, I was trying to get it to not block the gui.. |
| 20:48:54 | Guardia_Alata | Hi! |
| 20:49:08 | ljp_work | but some devs protested of my use of a parent 0, so today I changed that back |
| 20:49:12 | Guardia_Alata | is there an italian developer? |
| 20:50:14 | ljp_work | it should stil work, but I'd like to figure out how to get it to not block the gui |
| 20:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:54:35 | DigitalChris | Sup, faithful Z'ers! |
| 20:54:50 | ljp_work | not much |
| 20:56:51 | DigitalChris | Z with wifi card - only seems to work at 11mpbs or nothing... are there no drivers (or beta drivers) that allow speed knockback as 802.11 is supposed to work? |
| 20:59:44 | Techie2000 | DigitalChris: I just saw a screenshot of someone using OZ with it working at 5.5Mbps |
| 20:59:58 | Techie2000 | However I'm using Sharp ROM and it only goes at 11Mbps |
| 21:00:28 | TheMasterMind1 | Techie2000: huh? 11 is more than 5.. |
| 21:00:40 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, any IE users here? tell me if openzaurus.org looks right |
| 21:01:13 | noda | TheMasterMind1: You mean http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ - I haven't pushed it yet :) |
| 21:01:13 | Bruton | looks fine to me whats your problem |
| 21:01:25 | noda | Bruton: Check out the link I just put up - it should be centered. |
| 21:01:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ah right |
| 21:01:38 | Techie2000 | TheMasterMind1: I said I saw a screenshot of it online. I myself couldn't get it to work |
| 21:01:51 | TheMasterMind1 | Techie2000: what are we talking about? wireless internet? |
| 21:02:03 | Bruton | the second link is centereed |
| 21:02:18 | TheMasterMind1 | second link where? |
| 21:02:42 | Techie2000 | TheMasterMind1: 802.11b |
| 21:02:45 | Bruton | openzaurus.org isnt centered http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz is |
| 21:02:58 | TheMasterMind1 | Bruton: ah, yes |
| 21:03:00 | TheMasterMind1 | good |
| 21:04:07 | Bruton | the first url probably stops the second url from using its own meta tags |
| 21:07:23 | DigitalChris | Techie2000 thanks. I'm not using OZ... maybe I should consider it! |
| 21:07:53 | DigitalChris | TheMasterMind1 - yes 11 is faster, but I'm talking about graceful fallback to slower speeds so you can increase the range |
| 21:08:39 | Techie2000 | DigitalChris: Yeah I'm considering making the switch when 3.0 comes out |
| 21:10:24 | DigitalChris | new question: can I beam things via the command line? I assume I can do something like: |
| 21:10:37 | DigitalChris | cat filename > /dev/IRPort |
| 21:10:54 | DigitalChris | but I don't know what it's called or if it must be enabled first or what |
| 21:12:03 | DigitalChris | this is the most highly populated silent IRC group I've ever seen ;) |
| 21:13:02 | retsel | DigitalChris: silence due to all the Z keyboard thumbing, I guess. :) |
| 21:13:09 | DigitalChris | LOL |
| 21:13:15 | DigitalChris | true; hadn't thought of that |
| 21:13:58 | DigitalChris | If I'm doing extended Z typing, I'll just VNC into the Z -- if a PC is handy that is |
| 21:14:02 | ljp_work | naa.. alot of people leave irc on all the time.. |
| 21:18:33 | ljp_work | anyone use CAD programs here? |
| 21:19:44 | JupiterJoe | has somebody ported mesa yet? |
| 21:19:51 | Lawnmower-Man | has anyone here seena problem with the SL5500 with air bubbles on the touch tablet |
| 21:20:00 | JupiterJoe | how sweet would opengl be on the z |
| 21:20:29 | treke | mesa for the Z would border on useless |
| 21:20:42 | treke | way too slow |
| 21:21:22 | ljp_work | air bubbles? havent heard that one yet |
| 21:21:41 | JupiterJoe | dont think so... |
| 21:21:49 | Techie2000 | No air bubbles here |
| 21:22:07 | JupiterJoe | and what about external cdroms ... anyone tried to connect them over the cf slot??? |
| 21:22:18 | Snipah | sup! |
| 21:22:34 | Lawnmower-Man | mine has very small ones and my friends also has small bubbles. If you have a black background you can see them. put snake on |
| 21:22:40 | DigitalChris | opengl on Z - Z has no 3d hardware to render with, and doesn't even have a FPU coprocessor so it would be dog slow |
| 21:23:02 | anselor|home | The Zaurus takes 5V DC input right? I saw the battery pack power thing; but with 4 AA batteries it's 6V, will that cause a problem? |
| 21:23:21 | TheMasterMind1 | anselor|home: voltage isn't the only thing, you need the right amount of current too |
| 21:23:45 | TheMasterMind1 | 4aa's won't produce nearly enough current |
| 21:23:47 | JupiterJoe | atapi and cf are pin compatible i think...never thought of a cd writer connected to the z ??? |
| 21:24:09 | JupiterJoe | would be very cool i think ..... |
| 21:24:13 | anselor|home | http://zaurus.kruss.com/journal.php <-- this claims that 4 AA's will power the Z for 10 hours. |
| 21:24:16 | JupiterJoe | in conjunction with wifi |
| 21:24:26 | TheMasterMind1 | unless maybe you got 16 D cells and hooked up 4 parallel legs of 4 each, you could drive the internal resistance of the battery down to produce lots of current |
| 21:24:36 | anselor|home | the batteries don't produce the current, it's drawn by the devices on it. |
| 21:24:41 | treke | JupiterJoe: How will you plug in the wireless card and the cd burner at the same time? |
| 21:24:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, true |
| 21:24:51 | JupiterJoe | jepp ... |
| 21:25:12 | TheMasterMind1 | anselor|home: hmm, that's a reliable source so it probably does work |
| 21:25:15 | anselor|home | 16 D cells would producet 1.5V * 16 which is way too much. |
| 21:25:17 | JupiterJoe | shit.... would be sweet... but without using serial or sd impossible |
| 21:25:32 | anselor|home | oh, in parallel, missed that |
| 21:25:47 | JupiterJoe | isnt there a cf usb card or something |
| 21:25:52 | JupiterJoe | that could do it.... |
| 21:25:55 | TheMasterMind1 | you could do the math and figure out exactly what you need |
| 21:25:56 | anselor|home | my only concern is would i be reducing the life of a power regulator or something? |
| 21:25:59 | TheMasterMind1 | if you look in the Z manual |
| 21:26:00 | JupiterJoe | if driver would be there |
| 21:26:16 | TheMasterMind1 | it tells you what the power adapters' current and voltage are |
| 21:26:28 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe wattage and voltage but you can convert to current |
| 21:26:55 | TheMasterMind1 | anselor|home: hmm, well, the battery in the Z has a limited number of charge/discharge cycles, you'd be wearing those out |
| 21:26:56 | Bruton | i will give you a clue. There is a 2.5A fuse inline with the DC in on the PWB |
| 21:27:10 | TheMasterMind1 | but it shouldn't be that bad |
| 21:27:33 | Bruton | you need a lot of power to light the backlight |
| 21:27:36 | TheMasterMind1 | if you do the math right and get exactly the right number of batteries and all it should be good |
| 21:27:48 | TheMasterMind1 | personally, if my battery ran out i'd take it out and use the AA powerpack |
| 21:27:50 | Bruton | 742 AA batteries in parralel |
| 21:27:59 | TheMasterMind1 | so i wouldn't waste a charge cycle of the battery |
| 21:28:12 | TheMasterMind1 | Bruton: that would only be 1.5V |
| 21:28:36 | Bruton | 742 divide by 3 then |
| 21:29:51 | DigitalChris | alrighty then. I'm out. see you Z-freeks next time |
| 21:30:09 | beattie | use a step-up vreg and 3 D cells |
| 21:30:09 | Bruton | why not just use a normal battery? |
| 21:30:17 | Techie2000 | good DigitalChris |
| 21:30:27 | beattie | because the 5.0v input expectes a regulated input |
| 21:31:00 | anselor|home | i wonder how hard it would be to rig a little power regulator |
| 21:31:18 | anselor|home | i remember doing this type of thing in my circuits class two years ago |
| 21:31:33 | Bruton | you would invalidate your warrenty by using anything other than sharp parts |
| 21:32:09 | TheMasterMind1 | brilliant observation Bruton |
| 21:32:52 | Bruton | is anyon in here from the UK? |
| 21:33:05 | beattie | you either need a very low drop out for 4 Alkakline or a step up for 3 alkaline/NiMH |
| 21:33:09 | Bruton | anyone^^ |
| 21:45:50 | edhod | hi |
| 21:46:50 | edhod | ciao_linux: the zaurus is now detected and setup as it is dropped into the cradle, but i still get a kernel oooppps and the system completely freeze after i start using the interface. |
| 22:04:32 | anselor|home | i'm looking into doing it with an ldo |
| 22:04:53 | anselor|home | toying with maybe doing one for my new vision phone too |
| 22:19:12 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 22:22:01 | Cloudchaser | hmm zaurus zone forums are down and so is zaurus general via news.le.org |
| 22:45:13 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: hey |
| 22:45:17 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: seen the new oz site? |
| 22:45:20 | TheMasterMind1 | and our new faq system |
| 22:45:22 | TheMasterMind1 | and install guide |
| 22:45:25 | TheMasterMind1 | etc etc |
| 22:45:29 | Cloudchaser | nope |
| 22:45:37 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.openzaurus.org |
| 22:45:42 | TheMasterMind1 | feel free to add more faq items |
| 22:47:02 | pnis | Hi |
| 22:49:55 | Cloudchaser | looks very nice |
| 22:50:02 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 22:50:21 | ljp | hmm |
| 22:50:55 | Cloudchaser | hiya ljp |
| 22:51:18 | ljp | hi cloudy |
| 22:51:30 | Cloudchaser | :) how are you doing today? |
| 22:53:45 | ljp | I'm ok |
| 22:53:48 | Cloudchaser | ljp any idea if there's some sort of problem with zaurus zone forums? |
| 22:55:30 | ljp | hmm like what? I havent been there lately |
| 22:56:24 | Cloudchaser | i can't get there or to news.le.org (zaurus general) |
| 22:56:32 | Cloudchaser | didn't know if it was me or if they were down |
| 23:00:15 | ljp | works fine here |
| 23:00:31 | Cloudchaser | hmmm |
| 23:00:50 | ljp | I misplaced a cf card somewheres |
| 23:00:51 | Cloudchaser | i get to the main page on zaurus zone |
| 23:01:46 | Cloudchaser | but forums i get www.zauruszone.farplanet.net could not be found. Please check the name and try again. |
| 23:02:16 | ljp | hmm.. might be a DNS thing |
| 23:04:28 | ljp | I am so glad they caught those idiots around DC.. my daughter lives there.. and my attorney... :) |
| 23:04:38 | Cloudchaser | me too ljp! |
| 23:04:58 | TheMasterMind1 | i live here too |
| 23:05:02 | ljp | ahhh |
| 23:05:11 | badl | ljp: i can understand your concern with your daughter... but your attorney? ;) |
| 23:05:15 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:05:25 | ljp | oh ya.. my attorney.. she's wonderful |
| 23:05:57 | ljp | you see.. my daughter's mother is a bit of a psyco idiot |
| 23:06:28 | ljp | all attorneys are not evil |
| 23:06:38 | treke | sure they are |
| 23:06:39 | badl | yeah |
| 23:06:45 | treke | its just a matter of who they are evil to |
| 23:06:46 | ljp | my attorney let me stay in her house for a few days for a trail once |
| 23:06:59 | ljp | heh trial.. not trail |
| 23:09:22 | ljp | well. if you have ever wanted to be able to see your daughter, when her mother is not cooperative.. you'll thank your attorney also |
| 23:09:26 | pnis | good night all |
| 23:19:55 | ljp | cloud: ping 64.246.42.22 |
| 23:21:01 | Cloudchaser | no response |
| 23:22:06 | Cloudchaser | whats the linux traceroute command? |
| 23:24:15 | badl | Cloudchaser: tracepath i think |
| 23:24:25 | Cloudchaser | nah i needed path is all |
| 23:24:48 | Cloudchaser | isn't looking good to that path |
| 23:24:57 | Cloudchaser | i mean to that address |
| 23:25:11 | Cloudchaser | i ought to call my isp |
| 23:25:16 | badl | ic |
| 23:25:27 | Cloudchaser | got all * * * |
| 23:25:39 | Cloudchaser | very odd |
| 23:25:50 | Cloudchaser | should at least get something |
| 23:27:10 | Cloudchaser | ljp: is that zaurus zone ip? |
| 23:27:16 | ljp | ya |
| 23:27:34 | ljp | according to nslookup |
| 23:28:24 | Cloudchaser | i can ping cisco.com with no problem |
| 23:28:28 | Cloudchaser | by name |
| 23:47:17 | darienm | anselor|home: You had a question about my 4AA in series setup? |
| 23:52:05 | Cloudchaser | darienm: I saw your website earlier.. looks pretty much like what i have |
| 23:52:15 | Cloudchaser | i ought to see how long mine lasts |
| 23:53:55 | weebl | is it true they have discontinued the 5500? |
| 23:56:25 | badl | no |
| 23:56:25 | treke|home | weebl: yes and no |
| 23:56:41 | treke|home | weebl: There will be future models |
| 23:56:43 | badl | no replacement has been announced yet |
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| 23:57:13 | badl | ibot slashdot |
| 23:57:43 | badl | heh |
| 23:57:53 | badl | that was a strange visit by weebl |
| 23:58:50 | | Techie2000: sorry... |
| 23:58:50 | Techie2000 | ibot cnn |