| 00:17:32 | Neo|Work | uses designer to do UI prototyping for a web application. :P |
| 00:33:01 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: goooonnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:49:46 | WingLover | Yes! Magic helmet! And I'll give you a sample! |
| 00:50:52 | Neo|Work | uh. right |
| 00:51:00 | treke | ? |
| 00:52:19 | WingLover | Sorry. |
| 00:52:43 | WingLover | I just got nostalgic for a great Buggs Bunny and Elmer Fudd spot |
| 00:52:48 | WingLover | _What's Opera Doc_ |
| 00:57:45 | Vaelxon | Can anybody help me for a moment? |
| 01:00:06 | hardwire | bastards |
| 01:04:11 | Vaelxon | Can anybody help me for a moment? |
| 01:13:48 | raster | about what? |
| 01:27:06 | dafters | hi |
| 01:28:29 | Vaelxon | Wow, sorry. I gave up on getting a response. 8) Anyways, I was wondering if there is a way to disable the home key on my SL-5500. I keep bumping it when I'm using the D-pad... |
| 01:29:02 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 01:29:39 | raster | hmm |
| 01:29:42 | raster | not config-wise |
| 01:29:46 | raster | youd have to hack code |
| 01:29:47 | raster | :) |
| 01:29:56 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 01:30:02 | raster | and build your own roo t image |
| 01:30:03 | raster | :) |
| 01:30:11 | raster | so i gues.s. yes. |
| 01:30:13 | raster | it's possible |
| 01:30:16 | raster | but it isnt easy. |
| 01:30:45 | DaWorm | probably building your own root image would be the easiest |
| 01:30:45 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:31:20 | Vaelxon | Hm. I was hoping for something I could download and enable/disable at will. 8) Maybe, comment/uncomment some line in a config file and restart Qtopia or something, is more on my level, heh. |
| 01:37:01 | Vaelxon | Okay, how about a way to prevent Qtopia from stealing focus from my current app, even if it detects that the Home key is pressed? |
| 01:39:10 | badalex | Vaelxon: no idea |
| 01:41:05 | raster | no choice |
| 01:41:14 | raster | it will bring the launcher app to the front |
| 01:41:17 | raster | and activate it |
| 01:41:22 | ljp | appkeys app.. select from the Home combo.. the empty space |
| 01:41:25 | raster | youd have to change the code to make it not do that |
| 01:41:38 | ljp | oh.. heh |
| 01:41:44 | ljp | wont work on sharps rom |
| 01:42:02 | raster | nup |
| 01:42:13 | raster | sharp lets you chaneg all the keys except home |
| 01:42:18 | Snipah | sup!! |
| 01:42:26 | raster | (well and except cancel and ok) |
| 01:42:31 | Snipah | hey raster: is that you from AUS? |
| 01:42:44 | raster | errrr |
| 01:42:54 | raster | as in there woudl be a raster from somewhere else? |
| 01:43:13 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:43:37 | Snipah | rasterman |
| 01:43:39 | Snipah | hehe |
| 01:43:54 | Snipah | i sent you the Z - |
| 01:44:11 | Snipah | how goes things? |
| 01:44:50 | Vaelxon | I wouldn't really care if all I had to do was switch back to the application in question, but I have to soft-reset half the time because PrBoom writes directly to the frame-buffer, and it messes with Qtopia when Qtopia tries to take over... |
| 01:47:05 | raster | Snipah: aaaah it was you! coool! :) |
| 01:47:28 | raster | Snipah: i'm using my z. i've had evas ported for a while now. i'm quie happy since i have it going at native fb speeds. |
| 01:47:43 | DaWorm | http://zaurus.reallyrules.com/ -> hehehhee..a free hosting site I got nice name |
| 01:47:47 | raster | (thansk to some pointers here on #z to point me at qdirectpainter) |
| 01:47:53 | Snipah | raster: yeah.. it's me.. im glad you got it... technically im not suppose to support people outside of the US |
| 01:48:26 | Snipah | but you're doing some cool stuff.. :- |
| 01:48:27 | raster | aaaaaaaaaaah |
| 01:48:28 | Snipah | :-) |
| 01:48:29 | raster | hehehe |
| 01:48:30 | raster | thanks! |
| 01:48:41 | raster | i've been busy fixing other back end libs first |
| 01:48:47 | DaWorm | wow, free Z |
| 01:48:47 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:48:50 | Snipah | no prob... just make sure you post and let the community know |
| 01:48:51 | raster | before i go on an app writign binge |
| 01:48:58 | raster | the code is paosted |
| 01:49:00 | Snipah | DaWorm: raster is 'famous' in the linux community |
| 01:49:05 | raster | its all in cvs, buildable, configurable etc. |
| 01:49:11 | badalex | well im happy i got my sl-5500 for $280 |
| 01:49:13 | DaWorm | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 01:49:15 | raster | the problem is that it reqrites other external libs too much |
| 01:49:15 | DaWorm | bows |
| 01:49:19 | WingLover | badalex, great price. |
| 01:49:21 | raster | so i'm working on reducing the external lib deps |
| 01:49:32 | badalex | WingLover: i still cant belive it :) |
| 01:49:33 | raster | the one in my tragets at the moment is freetype |
| 01:49:34 | raster | :) |
| 01:49:35 | Snipah | raster: cool... |
| 01:49:37 | chouimat | back |
| 01:49:42 | Snipah | hey chouimat |
| 01:49:49 | chouimat | hi Snipah |
| 01:49:55 | WingLover | I paid USD $359 plus shipping to Toronto plus Canadian import tax of CAD $90 |
| 01:49:57 | br33zy | does Snipah = Sniper? |
| 01:50:03 | br33zy | just wondering.. :-D |
| 01:50:03 | DaWorm | bwahahha |
| 01:50:04 | Snipah | winglover: WOW!! that's heavy |
| 01:50:11 | chouimat | br33zy: he get back from washington today :) |
| 01:50:24 | Snipah | i had to change the nick... so i wouldnt get flamed |
| 01:50:28 | br33zy | cool |
| 01:50:34 | badalex | WingLover: that sucks... i just got mine this summer, i was like hey best buy nevr been in there and it was there grand opening :) |
| 01:50:44 | raster | hehehehehe |
| 01:50:52 | Snipah | rasteR: how much is the Z in AUS? |
| 01:50:56 | chouimat | WingLover: for a what? |
| 01:51:09 | WingLover | chouimat: for a Zaurus. |
| 01:51:20 | chouimat | WingLover: ouch! 90$ |
| 01:51:25 | WingLover | y |
| 01:51:35 | WingLover | In ONtario we have to pay both GST and PST on imported goods. |
| 01:51:42 | raster | Snipah: it's not even sold here yet. i do know its about 40000 yen in tokyo :) |
| 01:51:48 | WingLover | So a total of 15%. |
| 01:51:52 | chouimat | WingLover: here it's just GST |
| 01:52:01 | warmi | well, Canadian 'free' Medical Care for anyone who comes around costs a lot ;-) |
| 01:52:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:52:20 | Snipah | raster: its not in AUS? wow.. i thought it was.. i know its in Singapore |
| 01:52:28 | raster | i have yet to see it anywhere |
| 01:52:32 | chouimat | warmi: why do you thin k we pay so much taxes |
| 01:52:52 | warmi | chouimat : who do you mean by "we" ? |
| 01:52:52 | Snipah | how hard would it be to port airsnort? |
| 01:52:54 | raster | thatincludes all the duty free stores @ the airport, hardly normal, kmart, grace bros, dj's, bing lee, etc. |
| 01:52:59 | chouimat | warmi: Canadian |
| 01:53:05 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 01:53:09 | raster | theres ipaq's and tochiba e<somethnig>'s etc. |
| 01:53:20 | raster | most of them, just havent seen a z here yet. |
| 01:53:39 | DaWorm | the toshiba with built in wifi |
| 01:53:42 | Snipah | raster: wow - so you must get a lot of head turns walking around with the Z |
| 01:53:43 | DaWorm | i heard they sucked hard |
| 01:53:46 | warmi | pretty soon you won't be able to see Zs in US stores either |
| 01:54:00 | DaWorm | what a shame |
| 01:54:19 | raster | Snipah: well - not really. cause it's in my pocket :) but the peoel who have seen it (who don't alreayd knwo all about it cause of the hype) think its cool. they like the keyboard :) |
| 01:54:43 | treke|home | warmi: not in us stores any more? |
| 01:54:50 | Snipah | well keep promoting it.. and keep developing... it's a tough market.. especial;ly being the only linux handheld manufacturer |
| 01:54:55 | Snipah | its in Office depot |
| 01:54:57 | Snipah | and a few other stores |
| 01:55:03 | raster | DaWorm: they run wince. of course they do. i've got a wince/pocketpc port of evas. it runs 1/8th he speed of the qtopia version :) |
| 01:55:36 | chouimat | Snipah: imagine here when I walk with Z and show the keyboard saying "Tadam!" |
| 01:55:38 | raster | DaWorm: i've shown demso of evas on he 400mhz xscale toshiba pocketpc and the 206mhz z of mine side by side, with the z version doing 4+ times thespeed of the toshiba :) |
| 01:55:39 | warmi | treke: according to official sources -> "The zaurus is being reposititioned towards VARs and corporate sales as opposed to retail, this is why you are seeing the retail superstores not stock up, because Sharp is not renewing their relationships with most of them. |
| 01:55:39 | warmi | " |
| 01:55:50 | DaWorm | wow |
| 01:55:56 | treke|home | warmi: ah |
| 01:56:05 | treke|home | warmi: makes some sense |
| 01:56:19 | DaWorm | but then, i read MS doesnt want to fix PPC for the xscale so that's probably the reason for the performance drop |
| 01:56:20 | warmi | treke yeah, except for people who want to use it as a standard PDA |
| 01:56:23 | Snipah | warmi: where did u get that quote? |
| 01:56:29 | warmi | there won't be many apps available |
| 01:56:38 | raster | Snipah: my final plans are eventually to have (yet another) alternaitve for linux pda's |
| 01:56:44 | raster | for display |
| 01:56:46 | warmi | Snipah : from www.zauruszone.com posted by the admin ( which I assume is Jason) |
| 01:56:53 | Snipah | it's true that we're focusing on the enterprise market - we're getting better tractionm there.. because they understand linux |
| 01:56:54 | raster | as qtopia still falls in the "fuck thats butt ugly" category |
| 01:56:54 | raster | :) |
| 01:57:01 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 01:57:18 | Snipah | the retail market will be 2nd- |
| 01:57:20 | raster | Snipah: good call. :) |
| 01:57:31 | raster | if you do well in the enterprise, it will filter down. |
| 01:57:38 | Snipah | stay focused on enterprise.. and then slowly reintroduce back into retail |
| 01:57:44 | Snipah | we hope so |
| 01:57:47 | warmi | at least it will to technical community |
| 01:57:50 | chouimat | Snipah: ok like palm |
| 01:57:53 | DaWorm | that's what fujitsu does right |
| 01:58:01 | Snipah | palm went consumer first and is now trying to go enterprise |
| 01:58:21 | raster | Snipah: have you seen how palmos works? my god! no way in hell! |
| 01:58:23 | warmi | which is not a bad idea - look at Microsoft |
| 01:58:26 | DaWorm | $99 PDA in a blister pack |
| 01:58:26 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:58:35 | Snipah | palm is not a real competitor.. it's MS that im worried about |
| 01:58:55 | chouimat | raster: hehe |
| 01:59:00 | warmi | MS can burn a lot of money promoting unprofitable products :-) |
| 01:59:21 | chouimat | hmmmm my buy some battery for my palm tomorrow |
| 02:00:18 | DaWorm | Sharp Unveils Glass Computer |
| 02:00:20 | raster | yeah |
| 02:00:24 | DaWorm | :D |
| 02:00:26 | raster | wince at leats allows for real processes |
| 02:00:31 | raster | real memory mamagement |
| 02:00:36 | raster | a semblance of a real filing system |
| 02:00:40 | raster | etc. |
| 02:00:43 | warmi | raster: you mean compared to Palm ? |
| 02:00:48 | raster | palmos is really a toy |
| 02:00:52 | raster | warmi: yes. |
| 02:00:56 | warmi | yeah, but it does what it needs |
| 02:00:57 | chouimat | raster but palmos is easier for a newbie to use |
| 02:01:06 | treke|home | palmos is pretty good at what its meant to do. |
| 02:01:07 | raster | symbain is also a possible competitor, but they have the phone market sewn up. |
| 02:01:36 | DaWorm | yeah, all of the symbian stuff right now are focused on convergence |
| 02:01:58 | chouimat | raster: palm programming teach to keep think simple |
| 02:02:02 | warmi | Snipah : well, Pocket PC 2002 is not all that better .. |
| 02:02:12 | warmi | my Ipaq 3835 has tons of bugs |
| 02:02:14 | chouimat | exactly the opposite of Windows programming |
| 02:02:17 | warmi | I think more than my Zaurus |
| 02:02:27 | WingLover | PocketPC is fun to program, actually. |
| 02:02:33 | Snipah | warmi: XP embeded |
| 02:02:45 | Snipah | im worried there. |
| 02:02:51 | warmi | WingLover: only the enviroment ( the way IDE is set up) is fun |
| 02:02:52 | raster | chouimat: yes simple.. but so simple that you cant do much at all! |
| 02:03:00 | warmi | actual API sucks |
| 02:03:08 | chouimat | Snipah: hmmmmm a PBX with windows xp on it |
| 02:03:09 | raster | developing for wince/pocketpc is a BITCH |
| 02:03:15 | DaWorm | isnt the Tablet PC based on XP embedded |
| 02:03:16 | DaWorm | ? |
| 02:03:16 | raster | if youve ever had to use platform builder you'd know. |
| 02:03:22 | WingLover | I dunno. I guess because I'm familiar with Win32 programming I didn't have any problem |
| 02:03:33 | chouimat | raster: I did, wince 1.0 |
| 02:03:35 | warmi | WingLover : no, I am familiar with that too |
| 02:03:48 | warmi | I just realized how bad it is when I discovered Qt |
| 02:04:06 | warmi | of course MS has API for everything but , generally, it is a big mess |
| 02:04:32 | warmi | but I will give you one .. Win32 API is still better than POsix crap on Unix |
| 02:04:43 | warmi | at least I like it better |
| 02:05:12 | warmi | I wish Qt covered every possible Posix call :-) |
| 02:05:17 | warmi | they are getting pretty close though |
| 02:05:52 | chouimat | is watching the osbournes |
| 02:05:56 | raster | chouimat: painful, wasn't it? :) |
| 02:06:08 | WingLover | Oh, the Osbournes rocks! |
| 02:06:15 | chouimat | raster: wince? yes |
| 02:07:41 | warmi | raster: your stuff still runs on PPC using Win32 GDI ? |
| 02:10:23 | raster | warmi: yup. |
| 02:10:26 | Vaelxon | Does anyone know how the latest release of OpenZaurus is coming along? I thought 3.0 was supposed to be out by now...???... |
| 02:10:48 | treke|home | Vaelxon: its waiting on a bug fix |
| 02:11:01 | raster | warmi: not realyl a choie. directx isnt available for pocketpc. theres a custom api on some ppc implimentatiosn to get fb access, but no way to stest this in evisualc++ or platform builder. |
| 02:11:08 | chouimat | Vaelxon: ask kergoth |
| 02:11:28 | Snipah | gnite guys!! need to get some rest |
| 02:11:28 | warmi | raster: no wonder then it is slower than framebuffer implementation on the Zaurus :-) |
| 02:11:37 | chouimat | platform builder sucks!!!! |
| 02:11:40 | warmi | use GAPI and you will be suprized how fast PPC can be :-) |
| 02:11:44 | warmi | Snipah bye |
| 02:11:48 | Snipah | bye |
| 02:11:56 | Vaelxon | Okay, thanks for the info! I gotta run, cya all later.. |
| 02:13:31 | raster | warmi: yup. of course! but hell is gdi slow! i've never seen somehting that slow! its STUPIDLY slow. but ihave little choice thansk to wince/pocketpc's design & specs. |
| 02:14:08 | raster | warmi: i knwo about gapi - but i couldnt really use it as i coudlnt test under the evisualc emulator or platform builder, and its not universal to all ppc implimentations. |
| 02:14:35 | warmi | ah ok |
| 02:14:39 | warmi | yeah, that is true |
| 02:14:44 | raster | :) |
| 02:14:51 | raster | and may vary from ppc to pcc platform |
| 02:14:55 | warmi | well, Win32 GDI is not all that much slower than say X11 Xlib |
| 02:14:56 | raster | (as best i read up about it) |
| 02:15:03 | raster | it isnt? |
| 02:15:06 | raster | bullshit! |
| 02:15:12 | raster | evas runs in x! |
| 02:15:16 | warmi | at least not on desktop machines |
| 02:15:18 | raster | it beats the CRAP out of gdi |
| 02:15:29 | raster | bu a long shot |
| 02:15:42 | raster | trust me... it does! |
| 02:15:53 | raster | i was doign dev on a 1.6ghz athlon |
| 02:15:57 | warmi | well, I have yet to see X program that is snappier than Win32 implementation |
| 02:16:07 | warmi | and I use AcceleratedX |
| 02:16:09 | raster | my p3700 laptop was several times faster (in x) |
| 02:16:12 | warmi | not XFree stuff |
| 02:16:17 | raster | i coudl wATCH the updates redraw |
| 02:16:35 | raster | on win32gdi |
| 02:16:38 | chouimat | warmi: write one using xlib directly |
| 02:16:43 | raster | on x it was seamless and smooth |
| 02:17:04 | raster | evas's code is highyl fine tuned to use x most efficiently tho |
| 02:17:18 | warmi | chouimat:http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/contrib/libc6/i386/XwmMenu-1.0-1.i386.html |
| 02:17:20 | raster | it will swap betwene Ximages and XShmImages based on performance profiles of your display, xserver etc. |
| 02:17:31 | warmi | pure Xlib program that I wrote 4 years ago |
| 02:17:35 | warmi | I know Xlib |
| 02:17:37 | raster | cause Ximages can be faster than XShmImges (due to pipelining) i the imagesare small enough |
| 02:17:49 | warmi | I just don't think it is faster than Win32 GDI |
| 02:18:16 | raster | so far in my experience, it defintiely isn't even up toi scratch with x |
| 02:18:45 | warmi | raster: well, just try netscape on Windows and on Unix |
| 02:18:50 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:19:07 | raster | i think thats mroe to do with how they wrote their x vs their windows code |
| 02:19:07 | raster | :) |
| 02:19:55 | warmi | some goes for any X program .. I mean KOffice, all other office suites on X are generally slower than anything on Windows |
| 02:20:01 | warmi | that's just me experience |
| 02:20:01 | raster | if theres' something wrong with me using |
| 02:20:05 | raster | BitBlt(); |
| 02:20:22 | raster | to copy a dibsection that iv'e fileld with pre-computed display depth pixel data |
| 02:20:23 | raster | tell me |
| 02:20:30 | warmi | and X cannot be all that much faster since both end up calling graphic accelerator anyway |
| 02:20:41 | raster | BUT |
| 02:20:46 | warmi | raster: perhaps you are not using Win32 right ;-) |
| 02:20:50 | raster | i spent a whiel wtaching the screen be filed wiht pixel data |
| 02:20:51 | warmi | you are Unix guy after all |
| 02:21:09 | raster | warmi: ok - what shoudl i used apart form BitBlt() ? |
| 02:21:10 | raster | :) |
| 02:21:13 | DaWorm | thinks "uh oh, he's gonna pop" |
| 02:21:18 | raster | i'm actualyl an amiga guy form way back |
| 02:21:28 | raster | iv'e lived and breathed graphcis sicne i started on the vic20 |
| 02:21:32 | raster | :) |
| 02:21:34 | warmi | depends how you are using BitBlit: it can end up doing translation from one bpp to another |
| 02:21:40 | raster | its nto a unix vs windows thing |
| 02:21:45 | warmi | on X this cannot happen since Ximage is quranteed to be of the same depth |
| 02:21:53 | raster | the dibsection is created at screen depth |
| 02:21:59 | raster | i do the conversion myself |
| 02:22:11 | raster | BitBlt(hdc, x, y, gdiob->pbmi->bmiHeader.biWidth, gdiob->pbmi->bmiHeader.biHeight, hMemDC, 0, 0, SRCCOPY); |
| 02:22:19 | warmi | I wrote Dib section code and it runs at the speed of graphic accelerator |
| 02:22:34 | warmi | basically faster then screen can refresh |
| 02:22:46 | warmi | at least on my box |
| 02:23:11 | warmi | we talking hundreds of frames per second per full screen blits |
| 02:23:51 | warmi | on the other hand I haven't written WIn32 code in like 5 or 6 years ( exception being PocketPC stuff) |
| 02:24:02 | raster | gdiob->hbm = CreateDIBSection( hdc, gdiob->pbmi, DIB_RGB_COLORS, &gdiob->data, NULL, 0 ); |
| 02:24:25 | raster | and b4 that |
| 02:24:44 | warmi | what kind of frame rate are you getting on say 320x230 blit at 32 bit screen resolution |
| 02:24:46 | warmi | ? |
| 02:24:55 | warmi | I mean 320x240 |
| 02:24:57 | raster | gdiob->pbmi = (LPBITMAPINFO)malloc( nInfoSize ); |
| 02:24:58 | raster | |
| 02:24:58 | raster | ZeroMemory( gdiob->pbmi, nInfoSize ); |
| 02:25:04 | raster | gdiob->pbmi->bmiHeader.biSize = sizeof(BITMAPINFOHEADER); |
| 02:25:06 | raster | gdiob->pbmi->bmiHeader.biWidth = w; |
| 02:25:09 | raster | gdiob->pbmi->bmiHeader.biHeight = h; |
| 02:25:13 | raster | gdiob->pbmi->bmiHeader.biPlanes = 1; |
| 02:25:19 | raster | gdiob->pbmi->bmiHeader.biBitCount = depth; |
| 02:25:28 | raster | gdiob->pbmi->bmiHeader.biCompression = BI_BITFIELDS; |
| 02:25:48 | raster | LPDWORD pMasks = (LPDWORD)(gdiob->pbmi->bmiColors); |
| 02:25:50 | raster | pMasks[0] = 0x00007c00; |
| 02:25:53 | raster | pMasks[1] = 0x000003e0; |
| 02:25:57 | raster | pMasks[2] = 0x0000001f; |
| 02:26:41 | raster | so that coe creates a dibsection of 16bpp depth |
| 02:26:55 | raster | i cant' tell you right now cause the winbox si off |
| 02:26:57 | raster | i'm in linux |
| 02:26:57 | raster | :) |
| 02:27:36 | raster | but that code shoudl just verbatim copy the bpixl data to the screen |
| 02:27:43 | raster | its in normal fb pixel format |
| 02:27:50 | raster | so it shoudl not apply any transforms at all |
| 02:27:55 | warmi | raster: entire games were written using DIBSection (which was the only fast GDI option available before DirectX) |
| 02:28:19 | raster | *shrug* |
| 02:28:40 | raster | i spent a few months in platformbuidler and evisualc |
| 02:28:48 | raster | and even runing on an xscale400 device |
| 02:28:58 | raster | and tis abysmal using the sample code above |
| 02:29:02 | | What UNIVERSE is this, please?? |
| 02:29:02 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 02:29:04 | raster | with me being abl to watch the screne updates run down the screen |
| 02:29:07 | | Kids, don't gross me off ... "Adventures with MENTAL HYGIENE" can be carried too FAR! |
| 02:29:07 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 02:29:32 | raster | evas coudl calculate the 32bpp backbuffer,compiste, scale, convert to 16bpp in about < 101th of a sec |
| 02:30:09 | raster | then gdi woudl spend almost 1 second doing the backbuffer converted pixle block to the screen (for full screen 800x480 on the actual 400mhz xscale device) |
| 02:30:22 | raster | err < 1/10th of a sec |
| 02:30:37 | raster | thatis |
| 02:30:38 | raster | and 1 sec to copy |
| 02:30:45 | raster | and i coudl watch the to screen copy |
| 02:30:58 | raster | now if you can tell me what is being done wrong... i'd LOVE to know |
| 02:30:58 | raster | :) |
| 02:31:05 | warmi | was that happening on every device you used or just this particular one ? |
| 02:31:11 | chouimat | raster: gdi |
| 02:31:24 | raster | but as best i can tell (i'm no gdi expert) i'm doign things the simplest way, relying on gdi for only one thing.. copying my computed image data to the screen |
| 02:31:53 | chouimat | raster: why do you think they did directx |
| 02:31:56 | raster | warmi: thsi device and the emulator too in platformbuilder/evisualc (tho the copy was about 1/4sec udner the emulator, but you could still watch it) |
| 02:32:07 | warmi | yeah, but it definately looks like BitBlit is doing transformation of some sorts .. theoretically if you match depth of DIBSection with the screen, it should be pure copy ( and it was for me) |
| 02:32:16 | warmi | but something here must be wrong |
| 02:32:23 | raster | i coudl run the app faster ans smoother from my linxu box over the network to xwin running on the winxp box than it woudl run locally |
| 02:32:43 | warmi | I am gonna have to check that on my ipaq |
| 02:32:49 | warmi | I just can't believe it is that slow |
| 02:32:56 | raster | warmi: yup. i tried to match it. it does match. the device runs in 16bpp. so des my code. |
| 02:33:14 | chouimat | is enjoying victoria's secret commercial on tv |
| 02:33:14 | raster | my code was written tohandle display target depths natively to skip or combine pipeline steps |
| 02:33:19 | raster | so yeah |
| 02:33:19 | warmi | 556 or 555 ? maybe there was something with that |
| 02:33:26 | raster | gdi seems to want to do a transform |
| 02:33:27 | raster | regardless |
| 02:33:28 | raster | 565 |
| 02:33:29 | warmi | anyway, that shouldn't matter for the blit |
| 02:33:38 | raster | i didnt ask it to xfrom |
| 02:33:50 | raster | SRCCOPY); |
| 02:33:51 | raster | :) |
| 02:34:23 | warmi | GDI is a bit more sophisticated than X - it won't just die with an error if something is not matched correctly |
| 02:34:31 | warmi | so perhaps something of that sort is going on |
| 02:34:38 | raster | hmmm |
| 02:34:39 | raster | not sure |
| 02:34:42 | raster | can't check now |
| 02:34:43 | raster | :) |
| 02:34:56 | raster | but it was working. |
| 02:34:59 | raster | and not dying |
| 02:35:03 | warmi | XImage will just die if your depth is diffferent |
| 02:35:10 | warmi | anyway, that beside the point |
| 02:35:14 | raster | and to the best of my knowledge seems to be doing its job |
| 02:35:32 | raster | well the data on e screen matched what (theoretically) thep ixel data was calculated to be |
| 02:35:44 | raster | it wasnt doign a 565 -> 555 transform |
| 02:35:46 | raster | or anything |
| 02:35:56 | warmi | unless DibSection implementation on PocketPC is botched |
| 02:35:58 | raster | or a 565 -> 24/32bpp sicne the hwarei know runs at 16bpp 565 |
| 02:36:13 | raster | well we were buildign the platform ourselves in platformbuilder |
| 02:36:16 | warmi | I am not sure - I can only talk about Win32 GDI on Windows Desktop machine |
| 02:36:27 | raster | sow hatever ships with platformbuilder by default as the gdi implimentation |
| 02:36:41 | warmi | patformbuilder : what is that ? |
| 02:36:47 | warmi | I am not familiar with it |
| 02:36:47 | raster | i have never actualyl ported the code to win32 native |
| 02:36:48 | raster | just wince |
| 02:36:57 | raster | its the tool used to buidl the entire wince os |
| 02:37:04 | raster | hat includes explorer, ie, the kernel etc. |
| 02:37:12 | raster | it comes with all the wince source |
| 02:37:12 | warmi | on the one you get with Wince source code |
| 02:37:19 | raster | yup |
| 02:37:25 | warmi | yeah, I have seen it |
| 02:37:26 | raster | and you literally build rom images |
| 02:37:28 | warmi | never used it though |
| 02:37:30 | raster | and flash the dvice from it |
| 02:37:35 | raster | its a pita to use |
| 02:37:49 | raster | needed to ebe re-instaleld every few days as it decides spontneously to stop working |
| 02:37:55 | warmi | well, at least WinCE is openSource ( of sorts ) |
| 02:37:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:38:03 | raster | oir just rebuild an entire os even tho you onyl edited your own source files |
| 02:38:04 | raster | etc. |
| 02:38:13 | raster | i dont mind it actually |
| 02:38:21 | raster | sicne our job was to replce explorer |
| 02:38:30 | raster | (ie taskbar, desktop, etc.) |
| 02:38:31 | raster | and we did |
| 02:38:34 | warmi | replace with what ? |
| 02:38:37 | raster | but it was abysmal, perfromance-wise |
| 02:38:43 | raster | with our own app |
| 02:38:44 | raster | :) |
| 02:39:07 | raster | it did the launching of apps, read the start menu and gave you a palmos/qtopia like tabbed view |
| 02:39:12 | raster | favorites list etc. |
| 02:39:39 | warmi | was that for some sort of custom PocketPC build |
| 02:39:41 | warmi | ? |
| 02:40:41 | raster | yes |
| 02:40:49 | raster | for a specific pocketpc device |
| 02:40:57 | raster | we were building the os image |
| 02:58:26 | warmi | re |
| 02:58:29 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 02:58:36 | warmi | hey tux_mike |
| 02:59:06 | tux_mike | i sure am digging 3g :) |
| 02:59:29 | noda | 3g? |
| 02:59:42 | tux_mike | high speed cellular |
| 02:59:55 | noda | Oh, right, heard about those. You have one? |
| 02:59:59 | tux_mike | yup |
| 03:00:02 | warmi | man .. my windows just crashed with the "irq_less_than_equal" |
| 03:00:05 | warmi | first time in years |
| 03:00:07 | noda | tux_mike: How much does it cost? :) |
| 03:00:08 | warmi | something must be up |
| 03:00:16 | noda | warmi: lol, my Windows never crashes. (guess why!) |
| 03:00:25 | tux_mike | noda: ten bucks more than a normal sprint plan :) |
| 03:00:27 | warmi | cause you don't have one ? |
| 03:00:29 | br33zy | because your running vmware? |
| 03:00:31 | noda | warmi: Bingo! :) |
| 03:00:37 | br33zy | on linux? |
| 03:00:43 | noda | No Windows = no irq_less_than_equal :) |
| 03:00:44 | warmi | well, my Linux crashed as well |
| 03:00:45 | br33zy | moo |
| 03:00:45 | tux_mike | warmi: what did you do since it last worked? |
| 03:00:49 | noda | Heh, mine doesn't. |
| 03:00:56 | warmi | actually X crashed so hard I wasn't able to even telnet in |
| 03:01:12 | tux_mike | how rare |
| 03:01:24 | noda | Only Linux crashes I ever have are serious hardware problems. |
| 03:01:26 | tux_mike | that's beggining to sound to me like a hardware problem |
| 03:01:39 | warmi | tux_mike : nothing , it crashed when attempting to read two files I moved from my Linux by mounting Windows drive under linux ( this is a dual boot box) |
| 03:01:44 | br33zy | linux crashes only when i tell it to |
| 03:01:45 | br33zy | :-D |
| 03:02:02 | tux_mike | noda: i've had a few software crashes from linux. mostly fs stuff. |
| 03:02:10 | noda | tux_mike: fs? |
| 03:02:15 | warmi | tux_mike: it only happens with certain GTK apps ( Linux crash) and only on AcceleratedX |
| 03:02:17 | tux_mike | filesystem |
| 03:02:23 | noda | can think of 5 meanings for 'fs' off the top of his head... oh, right :) |
| 03:02:25 | warmi | perhaps they have a patch - I will have to check |
| 03:02:26 | treke|home | occaisionally has crashes |
| 03:02:33 | treke|home | maybe I shouldnt be using 2.5 :) |
| 03:02:36 | warmi | but since I don't use gnome at all, I am in no hurry |
| 03:02:40 | oGMo | doesn't have crashes that aren't driver-related |
| 03:02:43 | noda | treke|home: lol, just maybe. |
| 03:02:49 | oGMo | treke|home: hehe |
| 03:02:57 | noda | Actually, GNOME 2.0 seems to crash for me, haven't fixed that. But I don't run it. |
| 03:02:59 | treke|home | but its so featureful :) |
| 03:03:01 | tux_mike | wow. the serial ata cable looks like it can fall out amazingly easy |
| 03:03:10 | noda | lol, I'm sure they thought of that. |
| 03:03:15 | oGMo | accelX? people still use that? ;) |
| 03:04:04 | tux_mike | noda: i dunno, many things have gone to market where it seems obvious that they should have thought of it |
| 03:04:28 | noda | tux_mike: This standard has been in the works for YEARS and tested out by so many people... |
| 03:05:01 | tux_mike | yes, but still doesn't mean they thought of a simple thing like the cable falling out with one slight tug |
| 03:05:12 | noda | prays they did... |
| 03:05:40 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 23 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: jason: you know - i had this nick name before this stuf happened [Wed Oct 23 14:42:27 2002] |
| 03:05:40 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 03:05:43 | | snipah was last seen on #zaurus 53 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: bye [Wed Oct 23 20:11:48 2002] |
| 03:05:43 | br33zy | ibot seen snipah |
| 03:05:46 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:06:05 | noda | This article doesn't make much sense: "SCSI drives are notorious for their noise, heat and vibration levels"... I've never heard of that. Unless it's talking about 10,000RPM drives... |
| 03:08:18 | oGMo | or 15krpm drives |
| 03:08:27 | noda | drools. |
| 03:08:29 | oGMo | not that i've seen them personally |
| 03:08:35 | tux_mike | i have |
| 03:08:37 | tux_mike | they fast |
| 03:09:24 | noda | finds this article quite unexciting. |
| 03:09:39 | br33zy | hey BZFlag |
| 03:11:59 | treke|home | noda: Thats because scsi drives are also notorious for being faster than ide drives |
| 03:12:18 | noda | treke|home: Right, that's what I thought - it's not the fact that they're SCSI that makes them noisy. |
| 03:13:16 | treke|home | lets not facts get in the way of a good story though |
| 03:13:25 | noda | Of course, silly me :) |
| 03:19:52 | brontos | is there a way to change the terminal colors and stuff in the Z? |
| 03:32:32 | badalex|tube | g2g |
| 03:46:35 | tux_mike | kerg: any clue on what's causing the netsetup to segfault? |
| 03:46:55 | kergoth | all i know is its crashing within qt/e's destroyMapper() |
| 04:23:26 | _NiN_ | damn.. sourceforge is down |
| 04:27:03 | br33zy | _NiN_, really? |
| 04:27:15 | br33zy | wow |
| 04:27:16 | br33zy | it is |
| 04:30:06 | chouimat | night |
| 04:36:03 | jbardin | z0r |
| 04:36:19 | DaWorm | z0r? |
| 04:37:41 | br33zy | x0r? |
| 04:40:29 | jbardin | its a greeting of sorts |
| 04:40:36 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 04:41:16 | DaWorm | where are the icons in qtopia exactly located btw? I want to change some of the icons |
| 04:41:33 | br33zy | there at |
| 04:41:38 | br33zy | /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/ |
| 04:41:40 | br33zy | im pretty sure |
| 04:42:02 | treke|home | some are in there |
| 04:42:08 | treke|home | some are compiled into qtopia itself |
| 04:43:17 | DaWorm | at least i can change some |
| 04:43:18 | DaWorm | :D |
| 04:43:48 | treke|home | sadly the background is one of those pixmaps thats compiled in :) |
| 04:44:27 | DaWorm | *sigh* |
| 04:45:55 | jbardin | you probably can do some binary hacking on it |
| 04:46:16 | treke|home | or you could just use open zaurus where it isnt compiled in |
| 04:46:44 | DaWorm | yeah, but we have to keep kergoth from being drunk to release 3 |
| 04:46:45 | DaWorm | :D |
| 04:46:46 | jbardin | or that |
| 04:57:57 | BZFlag | http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?BZFlag |
| 05:49:34 | DaWorm | oh boy these crystal icons sure make a difference |
| 05:56:22 | raster | crystal icons? |
| 05:58:26 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 06:00:09 | DaWorm | the ones from kde 3.1 |
| 06:00:10 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:00:22 | DaWorm | i uploaded them to Qtopia and change every icon that i can |
| 06:27:16 | Saurian | 'lo all |
| 06:30:46 | Saurian | So any awe inspiring new Z tricks? |
| 06:31:51 | Saurian | Ah, a sleeping channel... |
| 06:32:50 | DaWorm | eh? |
| 06:32:51 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:32:58 | DaWorm | hello Saurian |
| 06:33:37 | Saurian | Hola. }:) |
| 06:35:32 | DaWorm | well what i did lately isnt really awe inspiring |
| 06:35:33 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:35:40 | DaWorm | i just changed my icons and used the ones in kde |
| 06:35:41 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:36:02 | Saurian | I need to figure out how to make icons for scripts and such. |
| 06:36:33 | DaWorm | havent tried that yet, but some people do that |
| 06:37:16 | Saurian | I'd like to...having scripting capability is nice, but I'd like to have icons for them too. }:) |
| 06:38:18 | Saurian | Heh, this thing might actually get me to get off my ass and learn C. |
| 06:40:53 | Bones3D | hmm, I wonder if this new zaurus that's supposed to be announced in a month is just an updated 5x00 model. |
| 06:41:17 | Saurian | wishes for a Z with two CF slots. }:) |
| 06:41:41 | Bones3D | I'd love to see it be the clamshell one, but I doubt it ;-P |
| 06:42:17 | badl | Saurian: two CF slots? imaging what it woud do to the battery ;) |
| 06:42:24 | badl | imaging=imagine |
| 06:42:40 | Saurian | Yeah, but it'd be handy for folks like me that run it on AC usually anyway. }:) |
| 06:43:09 | badl | some what of a contradition to portable, don't you think? |
| 06:43:27 | Saurian | It is portable. I can carry it around in my pocket. }:) |
| 06:43:37 | DaWorm | can't wait for fuel cells |
| 06:43:39 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:43:43 | paqan | Bones3D: would you settle for a 5500 with the vga screen? ;) |
| 06:43:45 | badl | with an AC cord hanging out? ;) |
| 06:43:58 | Bones3D | actually, yes. |
| 06:43:59 | Saurian | Fuel cells will rock. }:) |
| 06:44:18 | Bones3D | 640x480 would be better suited for mac emulation |
| 06:45:45 | badl | (c:] |
| 06:46:03 | badl | [:-) |
| 06:46:28 | badl | [:p) |
| 06:46:46 | badl | bah... ugly little critter |
| 06:55:27 | DaWorm | http://zaurus.reallyrules.com/pics/crystal/crystal01.png |
| 06:55:28 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:56:56 | Saurian | Link breaks |
| 06:59:33 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 07:00:23 | DaWorm | http://zaurus.reallyrules.com/pics/crystal/crystal05.png |
| 07:45:37 | hash | where would i be with out distcc? |
| 07:45:45 | hash | (it rhymes) |
| 07:45:51 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:46:04 | hash | seriously it rocks though |
| 07:59:42 | DaWorm | hehe i can imagine, compiling in several workstations/servers similar to a render farm |
| 08:00:01 | Morkeleb | hi there.. |
| 08:00:13 | Morkeleb | is there a GPRS CF card for the Z? |
| 08:00:28 | DaWorm | hmm..i heard bluetooth cards work |
| 08:01:03 | Morkeleb | but no GPRS directly? |
| 08:01:23 | DaWorm | i have no idea..is there such a card? |
| 08:01:58 | Morkeleb | i thought yes, at least with other pda's ... but i havent researched yet |
| 08:02:16 | DaWorm | hmmm..let me check |
| 08:05:38 | ||ugh | There is some silly non-GSM thing that sharp mobil services sells, goto myzaurus.com and it's there. It's some dumb American thing, slow and propriatary. |
| 08:06:10 | Bones3D | not widely available service either |
| 08:06:13 | DaWorm | yeah, something i wouldnt even want to use |
| 08:06:20 | ||ugh | Bingo. |
| 08:07:00 | Bones3D | they just need to make a normal cellphone CF card to do standard dialup connections |
| 08:07:27 | DaWorm | a bluetooth card would do |
| 08:07:50 | DaWorm | but gsm card would be better for me |
| 09:05:32 | Piete | I have a Dlink DCF-650W, card.. What should I choose as device type? Orninoco or Prism2 or Cisco? and What device name? eth0? |
| 09:30:01 | Data___ | prism2 |
| 09:31:04 | Piete | Data___: thanks |
| 09:32:01 | Piete | Data___: hmm, do I have to do anything special to make it work? Its not among the 'supported cards' in the manual. and i read somewhere that it uses the 'wlan ng' drivers or something, so now I feel a little lost.. |
| 09:32:07 | Piete | is there a howto for it somewhere? |
| 09:33:23 | Data___ | i have the same one |
| 09:33:31 | Data___ | just plug it in |
| 09:33:35 | Data___ | and the kernel will load the prism2 driver |
| 09:33:42 | Data___ | and config your tcp/ip settings |
| 09:33:46 | Data___ | it's supported |
| 09:35:15 | Piete | kewl |
| 09:35:24 | Piete | and does kismet work with it? |
| 09:35:30 | Piete | (out of the box?) |
| 09:35:42 | Data___ | jups |
| 09:35:45 | Data___ | i use it too |
| 09:35:53 | Piete | kewl :) |
| 09:36:01 | Data___ | it's a nice card |
| 09:36:06 | Piete | what interface does it use? eth0? |
| 09:36:08 | Data___ | the only bad thing is that it blocks the stylus |
| 09:36:14 | Data___ | yes eth0 |
| 09:36:17 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 09:36:17 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:36:38 | Piete | Data___: yea, that kina sucks :/ |
| 09:38:10 | Data___ | anyone ever used shaping on linux ? |
| 09:38:25 | Piete | Data___: btw, what ROM do you use? |
| 09:38:31 | DaWorm | shaping? |
| 09:38:36 | DaWorm | bandwidth shaping? |
| 09:39:07 | Data___ | yes |
| 09:39:14 | Data___ | Piete: the latest sharp one |
| 09:40:43 | Data___ | bandwidth shaping is heavy stuff to learn :) |
| 09:40:51 | Data___ | i've been bitching with it for 2 days now |
| 09:41:03 | Data___ | it finnally starts making sense :) |
| 09:41:26 | DaWorm | hehehe i haven't tried that yet, but i hear it involves a lot of learning new stuff |
| 09:41:47 | Piete | Data___: ohh... I have 2.37 i think |
| 09:41:57 | DaWorm | stick with 2.37 |
| 09:41:58 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:42:07 | Data___ | let me see |
| 09:42:28 | DaWorm | 2.38 only fixes the sandisk cards and restricts network sync |
| 09:42:36 | Data___ | i hae 2.38 |
| 09:42:37 | Data___ | have |
| 09:42:55 | Piete | DaWorm: *restricts*??? |
| 09:42:56 | Piete | why? |
| 09:43:15 | Data___ | it fixes some security issues |
| 09:43:20 | DaWorm | root ftp issues |
| 09:43:23 | Data___ | concerning anonymous ftp etc. |
| 09:43:36 | smad|w | opie thongs?! http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=Opie |
| 09:43:41 | Piete | I see... |
| 09:44:03 | DaWorm | bwahahha |
| 09:44:07 | Piete | lol smad|w! |
| 09:44:07 | DaWorm | opie thong |
| 09:44:07 | DaWorm | omg |
| 09:44:14 | Piete | I don't really like it THAT much |
| 09:44:33 | smad|w | hehe, indeed Piete |
| 09:44:34 | DaWorm | i shudder at the thought of kergoth wearing that |
| 09:44:39 | smad|w | lol |
| 09:45:02 | Piete | DaWorm: eeeeeww!! damn dude... |
| 09:45:28 | DaWorm | man..even opie boxers |
| 09:45:29 | DaWorm | haha |
| 09:46:04 | smad|w | I'm disturbed |
| 09:46:23 | DaWorm | they even have debian thongs and baby bibs |
| 09:46:29 | Piete | "Hey whats that you've got there in your pants? Well, my Zaurus of course!" |
| 09:47:01 | DaWorm | hopefully, my wife won't see this, i shudder the thought of coming home one day with my baby wearing a debian bib |
| 09:47:45 | Piete | lol |
| 09:50:13 | DaWorm | hey that's unfair |
| 09:50:18 | DaWorm | there's a debian thong |
| 09:50:23 | DaWorm | but no linux tux thong |
| 09:50:29 | Piete | hehe |
| 09:52:50 | DaWorm | debian thong |
| 09:52:51 | DaWorm | hrrmm |
| 09:52:55 | DaWorm | apt get install sperm |
| 09:52:56 | DaWorm | bwahha |
| 09:52:57 | DaWorm | sorry |
| 09:53:10 | Data___ | :p |
| 09:54:18 | Piete | Data___: ok, I have it card plugged in, and kismit installed.. but the 'link' light just flashes, and nothing else happens... |
| 09:57:51 | Piete | n/m |
| 09:57:56 | Piete | I should just rtfm I guess... |
| 09:59:34 | DaWorm | oh well |
| 09:59:36 | DaWorm | i'm going home |
| 09:59:38 | DaWorm | see you |
| 09:59:47 | Bones3D | see ya worm |
| 09:59:59 | smad|w | bye |
| 10:00:10 | Piete | bye |
| 10:00:13 | Piete | erg |
| 10:00:15 | smad|w | Piete: set up a network connection etc? |
| 10:00:16 | xml0 | on my z if you run kismet it just starts scanning straight away |
| 10:00:36 | Piete | smad|w: well, I just want to see if there is any other networks in my area :) |
| 10:00:37 | smad|w | to use kismet with a prism2 card you need to run prism_hopper or somesuch iirc |
| 10:00:48 | Piete | ok... |
| 10:01:11 | smad|w | which makes the card walk through the channels |
| 10:01:43 | Piete | the closest thing to that I have is kismet_hopper |
| 10:01:50 | smad|w | that's it :) |
| 10:02:06 | Piete | ok, so to check for channels : |
| 10:02:12 | Piete | 1. kismet_monitor |
| 10:02:19 | Piete | 2. kismet_hopper |
| 10:02:23 | Piete | 3. kismet ? |
| 10:02:56 | smad|w | hm...it's been a while for me - is (3) the gui? |
| 10:03:12 | Piete | 'gui' relatively speaking :) |
| 10:03:39 | smad|w | ok, the console based app |
| 10:03:42 | Piete | yea |
| 10:04:13 | smad|w | ah - it used to be called prism2_hopper |
| 10:04:29 | xml0 | hmm, the wcf11 is prism2 isn't it? and I didn't need to run that |
| 10:04:30 | Piete | ok, I see :) |
| 10:04:31 | smad|w | yeah - that order should work (although I dont know what kismet_monitor is) |
| 10:04:44 | | i think wifi is see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 10:04:44 | smad|w | ibot wifi |
| 10:04:44 | xml0 | I just ran the gui though. maybe that runs it |
| 10:05:03 | Piete | smad|w: when I run the _monitor it makes the green light stop blinking |
| 10:05:15 | Piete | i think that puts the card in promisc mode or something |
| 10:05:56 | smad|w | could be I think the lights mean different things on different cards :) |
| 10:06:17 | smad|w | Piete: them's the steps anyway afaik |
| 10:06:45 | Piete | ok, thanks |
| 10:07:14 | Piete | pretty strange that I don't pick up any nets... I'm in the centre of Seoul 50 meters for a business district... |
| 10:08:20 | smad|w | heh, yeah |
| 10:08:40 | smad|w | hmm, Piete and xml0 had motivated me to install kismet again :) |
| 10:08:51 | Piete | lol |
| 10:08:59 | Piete | time for a nice warchalk? |
| 10:10:04 | smad|w | kismet can make the Z buzzer er...buzz which is good for warchalking |
| 10:10:17 | xml0 | I walked 500 yards with kismet running in Boston and saw 30 APs |
| 10:10:39 | Piete | wow |
| 10:10:57 | Piete | there should be hundreds here where I am... |
| 10:11:01 | xml0 | somehow I think this wcf11 is *too* sensitive |
| 10:11:06 | Piete | prolly just a EEOC error ;) |
| 10:11:31 | xml0 | I was trying to use it in the hotel and it saw 5 of the hotel APs on the other floors, and 3 others |
| 10:11:47 | xml0 | probably kept tracking on the wrong one since it wasn't very usable |
| 10:12:01 | Piete | hehe |
| 10:12:01 | smad|w | heh - I've only ever found 1 (mine!) |
| 10:12:15 | Piete | hmm, I'm hungry,,, |
| 10:14:32 | smad|w | so is dino: http://www.charismac.com/Products/firedino/index.html |
| 10:17:24 | smad|w | Piete: hmm you also have to tell it which channels to hop over |
| 10:17:35 | Piete_ | sorry |
| 10:17:41 | Piete_ | my kernel segfaulted (!!) |
| 10:17:46 | smad|w | erk |
| 10:17:53 | Piete_ | so I missed the past few minutes.. |
| 10:19:40 | Piete | smad|w: what did you say since I said "I am hungry,,,"? |
| 10:20:19 | smad|w | I said: |
| 10:20:25 | smad|w | <smad|w> so is dino: http://www.charismac.com/Products/firedino/index.html |
| 10:20:32 | smad|w | and perhaps more usfully: |
| 10:20:36 | smad|w | <smad|w> Piete: hmm you also have to tell it which channels to hop over |
| 10:20:54 | Piete | ahh, ok |
| 10:20:57 | Piete | thanks ;) |
| 10:21:31 | Twiun | Morning all |
| 10:21:57 | Piete | monin |
| 10:22:00 | Piete | morning |
| 10:22:14 | | feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 10:22:14 | smad|w | ibot feed |
| 10:25:23 | smad|w | anyone know how to get a QDialog without an ok button? maybe I just use a QWidget |
| 10:30:03 | Piete | I'm not getting any packets.... |
| 10:44:47 | smad|w | Piete: works for me |
| 10:45:15 | smad|w | run kismet_monitor -H then kismet_server |
| 11:02:31 | rikkus | hi |
| 11:02:57 | rikkus | I mislaid the Z's paper instructions... anyone know how you're supposed to attach those little stickers to SD cards ? |
| 11:03:30 | smad|w | I'd forgotten about those - seem to get by perfectly well without them |
| 11:04:20 | rikkus | I just got an SD card and it doesn't seem to have a bit where I can grab it with a fingernail, so I'm a bit worried I won't be able to get it out once I've put it in |
| 11:05:44 | rikkus | ah |
| 11:05:49 | rikkus | I see, you push it in to take it out |
| 11:05:51 | rikkus | fuck it then :) |
| 11:05:52 | smad|w | yeah |
| 11:05:54 | rikkus | cheers |
| 11:05:54 | smad|w | indeed :) |
| 11:19:06 | Piete | smad|w: sorry, I just got back :) |
| 11:19:11 | Piete | smad|w: lemme trye that |
| 11:19:19 | smad|w | np |
| 11:21:04 | Piete | ok, then? |
| 11:21:45 | Piete | after "kismet_monitor -H then kismet_server" |
| 11:22:07 | smad|w | after that I get my AP reported |
| 11:22:38 | Piete | ah, ok... |
| 11:23:50 | smad|w | I /assume/ it's channel hopping |
| 11:24:15 | Piete | all I get is ' Capturing Packets from Prism/2 (DEPRECATED) Logging data networks CVS XML weak cisco,, and listening on port 2501, allowing localhost to connect. |
| 11:24:18 | Piete | thats is |
| 11:24:30 | Piete | thats it even ;) |
| 11:25:46 | Piete | maybe there really isnt any nets here :/ |
| 11:25:50 | smad|w | cool - I think libpcap http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/index.phtml?p=r&r=pcap is the way to go |
| 11:26:24 | smad|w | I used this package: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/kismet_2.4.6-3a_arm.ipk |
| 11:26:42 | Piete | hmmm |
| 11:27:25 | Piete | I used kismet version 2.6.1 |
| 11:28:59 | smad|w | cant get the UI to work though |
| 11:29:08 | Piete | how did you get the options to add to kismit monitor? with --help? |
| 11:29:37 | smad|w | google told me |
| 11:30:03 | Piete | ahh, the the mother of all search engines ;) |
| 11:30:25 | smad|w | google kismet_monitor prism2 |
| 11:30:34 | smad|w | oh |
| 11:31:27 | Piete | hmmm, then I run kismet_monitor -H, I get near the bottom; "kismit_hopper - Channel hopping (United States)....." But I'm not in the US.. does that make a difference? |
| 11:31:35 | Piete | s/then/when |
| 11:32:38 | smad|w | Us is the range of channels |
| 11:32:40 | smad|w | US |
| 11:33:02 | smad|w | no idea what that is where you are |
| 11:33:12 | Piete | I'm in South Korea... |
| 11:33:20 | smad|w | indeed :) |
| 11:33:21 | Piete | hehe |
| 11:33:27 | badl | peee wee |
| 11:33:48 | smad|w | boo hoo |
| 11:34:00 | badl | why are you sad smad|w? |
| 11:34:03 | Piete | ding dong |
| 11:34:25 | smad|w | badl: it was only momentary |
| 11:34:33 | badl | ic |
| 11:34:38 | Piete | lol |
| 11:34:55 | badl | why are you laughing Piete? |
| 11:35:27 | badl | is listening to some hardcore industrial tunes! :) |
| 11:38:54 | smad|w | and that made say, 'peee wee? - doesnt seem consistent ;) |
| 11:42:22 | Piete | back.. |
| 11:51:11 | badl | so what has been happening in Piete land? |
| 11:51:37 | Piete | badl: not much... Still learning the Z ;) |
| 11:51:47 | Piete | I just got it yesterday |
| 11:51:57 | badl | yeah thats right |
| 11:52:04 | badl | have you managed to crash it yet? |
| 11:52:10 | Piete | badl: nope |
| 11:52:31 | Piete | badl: I messed up its networking a few times, but nothing serious |
| 11:52:34 | badl | get prboom on there ;) |
| 11:52:59 | Piete | yea I'll do that |
| 11:53:09 | Piete | I watched Shrek on it a few hours back! |
| 11:53:15 | badl | nice |
| 11:53:20 | Piete | I tried mplayer and TkC video |
| 11:53:29 | Piete | Tkc's fullscreen is much nicer |
| 11:53:40 | smad|w | I watched Amile on the way to work |
| 11:53:47 | smad|w | (got subtitles working) |
| 11:53:59 | badl | need a CF based TV reciever for the Z ;) |
| 11:54:09 | Piete | badl: niiiceee |
| 11:54:09 | anggarda | smad|w, thats a good show...hmm...william orbit. |
| 11:54:14 | smad|w | TkcVideo cant do that :) |
| 11:54:30 | Piete | smad|w: what? the subtitles? |
| 11:54:38 | smad|w | Piete: yeah |
| 11:54:55 | Piete | apparently the Dr.Z video player is good too |
| 11:55:00 | Piete | not tried it yet |
| 11:55:18 | smad|w | I like mplayer |
| 11:55:36 | smad|w | I have TkcVideo too but there's something about the way I rip that it doesnt like |
| 11:55:39 | smad|w | and it doesnt work |
| 11:55:58 | Piete | hmm |
| 11:56:02 | Piete | what do you use to rip? |
| 11:56:07 | smad|w | transcode |
| 11:56:12 | Piete | ah |
| 11:56:30 | Piete | I tried transcode and mencoder, mencoder is like 4 times faster :) |
| 11:57:30 | smad|w | that's a lot |
| 11:57:34 | smad|w | never tried mencoder |
| 11:58:13 | smad|w | took me long enough to get good transcode config |
| 12:02:18 | anggarda | Thank god, i read today's topic. |
| 12:02:53 | badl | todays topic? |
| 12:03:12 | anggarda | yah, the one about the lcd turned off. |
| 12:03:47 | badl | yep.... amazing results |
| 12:04:25 | anggarda | lol, where did you find out about is badl? |
| 12:04:40 | anggarda | I wasn't aware you set it..hahaa. |
| 12:05:28 | badl | anggarda: i was the person who conducted the test ;) |
| 12:05:44 | anggarda | lol...hahahahaaaa |
| 12:06:07 | badl | why is that funny? |
| 12:06:51 | anggarda | I wasn't aware you tested it..haahaa |
| 12:07:15 | Piete | oh boy, thats extremely funny stuff :/ |
| 12:14:16 | anggarda | Thanks for the lifeline...funny or not...hahaa. |
| 12:14:52 | Piete | heh |
| 12:15:24 | Piete | I wish the palm emulator was faster,,, |
| 12:16:47 | Piete | but heh, its even slow on a 2Ghz box.. |
| 12:16:48 | Piete | lol |
| 12:21:54 | akawaka | the rom update setup.exe always fails for me |
| 12:22:02 | akawaka | runtime error in romupdate.exe or something |
| 12:22:09 | akawaka | anyone familiar with this? |
| 12:36:11 | smad|w | so if I ping my Z from my desktop with kismet running, kismet reports the ip range of the AP - I dont now how that works |
| 13:04:46 | akawaka | anyone having problems updating to 2.38 in windows/ |
| 13:04:46 | akawaka | ? |
| 13:10:13 | smad|w | can you make kismet not do logging? |
| 13:11:47 | Piete | *sigh* |
| 13:11:57 | Piete | My Z just freezed completely.. normal reset wont work |
| 13:12:06 | Piete | so I had to hard reset |
| 13:12:21 | smad|w | <badl> have you managed to crash it yet? |
| 13:12:22 | smad|w | <Piete> badl: nope |
| 13:12:23 | smad|w | hehe |
| 13:12:33 | Piete | smad|w: NOW i manage to do that ;) |
| 13:12:38 | smad|w | :) |
| 13:12:53 | akawaka | mine has a heart attack everytime i try to use this sandisk card |
| 13:12:57 | Piete | maybe its the infamous reboot twice in a row thing |
| 13:12:58 | akawaka | and I can't update the rom |
| 13:13:18 | smad|w | Piete: suspending between reboots helps I think |
| 13:13:24 | Piete | akawaka: that sucks! |
| 13:13:38 | smad|w | akawaka: no windows here - sorry - have you tried just redownloading the exe? |
| 13:13:39 | Piete | smad|w: yea, the thing is I just realised that ;) |
| 13:14:08 | smad|w | hard reset has more consequences on sharp rom than on oz one |
| 13:14:21 | akawaka | smad|w: both the 2.37 and 2.38 roms have failed to work |
| 13:14:44 | smad|w | akawaka: hmm |
| 13:14:45 | akawaka | is there anyway to do it in linux, without a cf card |
| 13:15:06 | smad|w | akawaka: if you have a CF card and reader you could try putting the image on the CF and flashing it manually |
| 13:15:07 | akawaka | runtime error in updaterom.exe when i click on update |
| 13:15:16 | akawaka | no cf card, no reader |
| 13:15:22 | Piete | smad|w: maybe its time to check out the Crow ROM |
| 13:15:32 | Piete | I don't want to reinstall EVERY time |
| 13:15:47 | Piete | akawaka: that sucks.. |
| 13:15:57 | akawaka | yes |
| 13:15:58 | akawaka | it does |
| 13:16:03 | Piete | akawaka: have access to another PC? |
| 13:16:09 | Piete | akawaka: maybe a fried? |
| 13:16:13 | Piete | friend even |
| 13:16:14 | Piete | lol |
| 13:16:18 | akawaka | probably |
| 13:16:31 | akawaka | this is a friends pc, don't have a windows box myself |
| 13:16:38 | Piete | akawaka: ahhh I see |
| 13:16:52 | Piete | akawaka: what rom do you have ATM? |
| 13:16:56 | akawaka | 2.37 |
| 13:17:06 | Piete | me too |
| 13:17:38 | Piete | but I 'm gonna wait for the 'next big one'®© |
| 13:17:44 | Piete | no probs with 2.37 |
| 13:17:58 | akawaka | my sandisk card doesn't work |
| 13:18:06 | Piete | ®_© |
| 13:18:14 | smad|w | akawaka: that's why you need to upgrade ;) |
| 13:18:23 | Piete | ouchhh catch 22 |
| 13:19:19 | Piete | I have a 32MB Sandisk CF card, and a 64MB Lexard SD card, both works fine |
| 13:19:34 | akaway | i have a 128M sandisk |
| 13:19:39 | Piete | anyone here running the Crow ROM? |
| 13:20:03 | Piete | akaway: is it a 'blacklisted' model? |
| 13:21:34 | benmeyer | Heading to William Parison |
| 13:22:00 | Piete | does not have a clue who that is |
| 13:22:04 | Piete | :P |
| 13:22:09 | benmeyer | A collage |
| 13:22:11 | benmeyer | no clue where |
| 13:22:17 | Piete | I see |
| 13:22:18 | benmeyer | get some interns |
| 13:23:00 | smad|w | benmeyer gets more surreal :) |
| 13:23:14 | benmeyer | offtopic: grrr, they made the transformers act9 pvc collection ( http://myweb.cableone.net/skydive/pvc.jpg ) from the armada group, bla! |
| 13:24:13 | Piete | wtf????! |
| 13:24:18 | Piete | my Z crashed AGAIN |
| 13:24:26 | Piete | and it didnt even do anything |
| 13:24:50 | benmeyer | ***A Japanese Magazine will be offering a Sideswipe colored in yellow and gold via a coupon for 4000 yen. |
| 13:24:52 | benmeyer | damm |
| 13:25:11 | kolla | why og why doest ipkg work |
| 13:25:15 | benmeyer | the last transformer that had gold was Optimus prime in 2000 and those go for $2000 easily now |
| 13:25:20 | kolla | -force-reinstall |
| 13:25:24 | kolla | a bogus option |
| 13:25:40 | smad|w | kolla: I dont think it does anything :) |
| 13:25:47 | kolla | it doesnt |
| 13:25:52 | kolla | but I sure wish it did |
| 13:26:04 | benmeyer | sweet! Dinobots are being re-released |
| 13:26:08 | kolla | -force-reinstall Allow ipkg to reinstall a package. |
| 13:26:13 | kolla | I want that very much |
| 13:26:56 | benmeyer | and I am all out of space in the cabnit... |
| 13:26:58 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 13:27:20 | DaJoker | kolla: it does work.. but only with local packages.. it does not work with net-installable packages |
| 13:28:03 | kolla | oh? |
| 13:28:52 | DaJoker | so throw the packages you want to reinstall on a CF/SD or what have you.. |
| 13:29:45 | kolla | well, cannot use the CF since that slot is used by the wlan card ;) |
| 13:31:18 | kolla | DaJoker: I thought ipkg downloaded packages to /tmp/ipkg-whatever anyways |
| 13:31:59 | Piete | anyone know if you can buy these CF slot protectors anywhere? Mine got lost.. |
| 13:32:25 | kolla | # ipkg install libc6_2.2.4-7a_arm.ipk |
| 13:32:26 | kolla | Upgrading libc6 from 2.2.5-6-fam3 to 2.2.4-7a |
| 13:32:34 | kolla | didnt even use the force option |
| 13:32:36 | kolla | hilarious |
| 13:32:50 | smad|w | kolla: if you do it using a local file? |
| 13:32:53 | DaJoker | yeah, ipkg is umm.. interesting.. |
| 13:33:00 | kolla | smad|w: yes |
| 13:33:05 | smad|w | tss |
| 13:33:30 | kolla | with network it doesnt work and with local files it's redundant |
| 13:36:54 | kolla | cool.. I was able to remove libc6 :) |
| 13:37:01 | kolla | ofcourse, now nothing works :) |
| 13:37:09 | kolla | gotta love the way unix libs work |
| 13:37:10 | smad|w | success! :) |
| 13:37:48 | Piete | kolla: brilliant! |
| 13:38:19 | kolla | well, it's dead parrot anyhow |
| 13:38:27 | kolla | *ix on a PDA is too silly :) |
| 13:38:50 | kolla | libs should be loaded resident, once loaded |
| 13:39:01 | Piete | but the Geek-Factor is excelent, no? |
| 13:39:03 | kolla | also makes the system a heck lot snappier |
| 13:39:12 | Piete | Beos on a PDA would rule ;) |
| 13:39:30 | kolla | :) |
| 13:39:39 | kolla | or amigaos |
| 13:39:53 | Piete | or |
| 13:39:54 | Piete | or |
| 13:39:57 | Piete | DOS |
| 13:40:01 | Piete | nahh |
| 13:40:07 | kolla | DOS is about what we have now |
| 13:40:18 | kolla | equally lame, only in a different direction :) |
| 13:40:38 | Piete | nix != DOS |
| 13:40:49 | benmeyer | well we are running as root |
| 13:40:52 | benmeyer | I will give him that |
| 13:41:09 | kolla | Piete: I didnt say they were the same, just equally lame on a PDA |
| 13:41:45 | Piete | benmeyer: lol, yea |
| 13:41:57 | kolla | I knew what I was doing, I just fed up with it |
| 13:42:00 | kolla | was |
| 13:42:38 | kolla | I picked ntpdate from familar, and it ended up installing a bunchload of familiar packages, including libc |
| 13:42:45 | kolla | without even asking me |
| 13:42:53 | kolla | lame arsed package system |
| 13:43:01 | kolla | so I now tried to downgrade.. |
| 13:43:05 | kolla | but there wasnt enough disk.. |
| 13:43:17 | kolla | so I said fuck it.. and remove libc6 just for the heck of it |
| 13:43:21 | Piete | Oh, i see your point.. |
| 13:43:21 | kolla | reflash soon |
| 13:43:43 | Piete | So, anyone here running Crow? |
| 13:44:23 | kolla | ? |
| 13:45:21 | Piete | Crow's rom.. you know the one will all 64MB ram as well, ram, and a SD card for main storage |
| 13:45:45 | kolla | oh.. no? where? sounds interresting.. for use with OZ? |
| 13:46:08 | Piete | its a modified version of the official sharp rom |
| 13:46:15 | Piete | its very cool |
| 13:46:19 | Piete | just a sec.. |
| 13:46:48 | kolla | the "official" "distribution" needs a revamp badly |
| 13:47:05 | kolla | looks like it's put together by a *ix newbie |
| 13:47:10 | Piete | yea, apparently sharp is working on a completly new rom |
| 13:47:18 | Piete | with the A300 doc tabs |
| 13:47:26 | Piete | and a complete new DB (not XML) |
| 13:47:32 | kolla | how is the A300 doc tab? |
| 13:47:39 | kolla | not xml? what then.. some silly .db? |
| 13:48:39 | Piete | no, someting completely new |
| 13:49:03 | Piete | and it will aparently solve a lot of silly and stupid things |
| 13:50:31 | | Piete: sorry... |
| 13:50:31 | Piete | ibot crow |
| 13:51:53 | Piete | kolla: http://www.schwag.org/~crow |
| 13:51:56 | Piete | thats the URL |
| 13:54:07 | kolla | ok |
| 13:54:26 | kolla | what I'd like to see is LDAP support in the address book, and perhaps even syncml support |
| 13:54:52 | kolla | and.. obvious things like communication between the applications |
| 13:55:04 | | bluetooth is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Is%20anyone%20working%20on%20Bluetooth%20for%203870 or at http://dnsv6.iihe.ac.be/iPAQGPRSv6/BtConfig.html .. and you might wanna take a look at http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-Mobile-Phone |
| 13:55:04 | smad|w | ibot bluetooth |
| 13:55:06 | kolla | being able to send data between running apps |
| 13:55:13 | Piete | kolla: if you see JasonNJ on here you can ask him |
| 13:55:25 | Piete | kolla: hes the Sharp Guy ;) |
| 13:55:35 | kolla | smad|w: affix BT works fine with sharp rom |
| 13:55:59 | smad|w | kolla: with t68i? |
| 13:56:17 | smad|w | (or shouldnt it matter?) |
| 13:56:17 | Snipah | jason |
| 13:56:22 | kolla | t39 |
| 13:56:39 | Twiun | hey Snipah |
| 13:56:47 | Snipah | hi |
| 13:56:50 | smad|w | kolla: what CF card? socket? |
| 13:58:04 | kolla | yes |
| 13:58:35 | smad|w | kolla: thanks |
| 13:58:43 | xml0 | somebody sent some bluetooth syncml stuff to the bluez list a week back |
| 13:58:51 | smad|w | I think I'll get one this month - get paid today! |
| 13:58:53 | xml0 | you just breeze past your phone and it syncs |
| 13:59:11 | smad|w | syncml? |
| 13:59:26 | Piete | what libc does the zaurus have installed? |
| 13:59:34 | kolla | libc6 |
| 13:59:34 | Piete | the 2.37 ROM |
| 13:59:40 | kolla | oh.. beats me |
| 13:59:47 | smad|w | ah, http://www.syncml.org/ |
| 14:00:07 | Piete | kolla: hmm, I'm trying to install the fbvnc server, but qtopiadesktop tells me its missing lic6 :/ |
| 14:00:09 | kolla | http://affix.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable/zaurus/ |
| 14:00:33 | xml0 | http://multisync.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:00:45 | xml0 | well, I thought it was syncml... |
| 14:01:18 | smad|w | looks cool |
| 14:01:35 | smad|w | although I dont really use my Z as a PSA :) |
| 14:01:37 | xml0 | the cool bit is you don't have to do anything. it just polls |
| 14:02:40 | kolla | I basicly use mine as a ogg-player |
| 14:02:48 | kolla | using xmms |
| 14:03:06 | Piete | my current process with getting the Z to sync is to a. when the Z is in the crade b. insmod usbdnet 3. ifconfig and route 4. then it works |
| 14:03:06 | kolla | only other usefull app is iqnotes |
| 14:03:12 | Piete | its a pain to do it EVERY tiem |
| 14:03:16 | Piete | time even |
| 14:03:44 | xml0 | set up hotplug |
| 14:03:57 | Piete | it does not work with Slackware 8 |
| 14:04:11 | xml0 | :( |
| 14:05:05 | BigBoss | howdy |
| 14:05:08 | Twiun | heya BB |
| 14:05:27 | mark | hi BigBoss |
| 14:05:33 | mark | and java buffs in the house? |
| 14:05:41 | Twiun | lol |
| 14:05:43 | BigBoss | so the snipers been caught it looks like? |
| 14:05:57 | Twiun | shouts "I'm the Java Buff! Me! Me! Me!" |
| 14:06:30 | Snipah | really? |
| 14:06:59 | BigBoss | that's what it is sounding like |
| 14:07:05 | BigBoss | they grabbed those 2 guys last night |
| 14:07:21 | BigBoss | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,66470,00.html |
| 14:07:40 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:07:47 | BigBoss | hey chouimat |
| 14:07:57 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin everyone |
| 14:08:14 | chouimat | BigBoss: I know I'm early this morning :) (10h00EST) |
| 14:08:19 | Twiun | hiya Jason |
| 14:08:25 | Twiun | winks at Cloudchaser |
| 14:08:46 | Cloudchaser | smiles |
| 14:10:13 | mark | BigBoss: excellent |
| 14:10:41 | chouimat | is currently watching CNN |
| 14:10:57 | Cloudchaser | me too |
| 14:12:30 | BigBoss | they must not be positive it is them, otherwise they would have been killed "resisting arrest" |
| 14:12:48 | Cloudchaser | its all so odd |
| 14:13:18 | Twiun | BigBoss: Haha... no, no... they must get the 'trial' at great expense and good publicity for the US government |
| 14:13:34 | BigBoss | yea, big time - what is really worrying is that it might just give terrorists an idea - send 20 snipers into 20 big cities and start shooting people and shut down all the major metropolitan areas |
| 14:14:15 | Cloudchaser | the news said they haven't found any gun yet |
| 14:14:15 | Twiun | You think they haven't already grasped the advantages? |
| 14:15:01 | chouimat | they maybe the wrong guys too |
| 14:15:17 | BigBoss | well given that the news talked about the idea incessantly, and they get all their news from CNN, I'm sure they are thinking about it now |
| 14:15:48 | chouimat | BigBoss: very efficient tactics to bring the west down |
| 14:16:21 | BigBoss | wouldn't bring us down, but it would be a real b***h |
| 14:16:50 | chouimat | BigBoss: exactly |
| 14:16:59 | treke|home | no one in southern california would even notice :) |
| 14:17:00 | Twiun | chouimat: Yup - I think terrorists are overrated anyway - we're doing a good job (US/UK) of screwing things up anyway |
| 14:17:31 | chouimat | Twiun: you didn't see the provincial gov here :) |
| 14:18:05 | Twiun | chouimat: worse? |
| 14:18:08 | | i guess wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 14:18:08 | djk | ibot wireless |
| 14:18:47 | chouimat | Twiun: doctor, nurses and state attorney are near to be on strikes |
| 14:20:13 | benmeyer | see you all later |
| 14:20:29 | Twiun | chouimat: Hahahah - OZ is pretty much the same... UK is firemen atm |
| 14:20:54 | mark | Twiun: didn't know you were a uk bud |
| 14:21:30 | Twiun | mark: Yup, I be a Londonite |
| 14:21:43 | smad|w | I am made of that too |
| 14:22:15 | mark | Twiun: where bouts? |
| 14:22:27 | Twiun | mark: Woolwich |
| 14:22:38 | Twiun | smad|w: Cool ;-) |
| 14:22:44 | xml0 | lucky you :) |
| 14:22:58 | xml0 | I used to live there. now in shepherds bush |
| 14:23:03 | Twiun | lol |
| 14:23:19 | Twiun | xml0: I'd say I was lucky if the house prices weren't so ridiculous |
| 14:23:39 | JasonNJ | dang what the hell is wrong with nick nolte |
| 14:24:08 | kergoth`out | mornin |
| 14:24:19 | chouimat | hey kergy |
| 14:24:24 | Twiun | Yowdy kerg |
| 14:24:31 | Twiun | Klergy? |
| 14:24:31 | kergoth | how is everyone |
| 14:24:39 | JasonNJ | yo kergie |
| 14:24:42 | Twiun | peachy. |
| 14:24:56 | Twiun | kergoth: working on da new look: http://adorphuye.com/test/index.shtml |
| 14:25:09 | Twiun | those round borders are getting old |
| 14:25:35 | Twiun | using css instead of tables too |
| 14:26:01 | kergoth | Twiun: hey, lookin nice |
| 14:26:22 | Bongo | anyone know of any zaurus sized websites? |
| 14:26:23 | Twiun | kergoth: looking lots cleaner ;-) |
| 14:26:42 | Twiun | kergoth: Gonna add some angular/metallic images in there too |
| 14:26:46 | kergoth | Twiun: nice |
| 14:27:11 | Bongo | anyone know of any proxy software i can set up irc on ? |
| 14:27:28 | Twiun | Bongo: Zaurus-able page: http://www.schwa.com/ |
| 14:27:32 | Twiun | grins |
| 14:27:35 | Bongo | :-o |
| 14:27:38 | Bongo | looks |
| 14:28:37 | Bongo | ermm |
| 14:28:37 | Bongo | wow |
| 14:28:40 | Bongo | :| |
| 14:28:45 | Twiun | hehe |
| 14:28:55 | Twiun | talk about extravagance! |
| 14:28:55 | Bongo | im gonna make one |
| 14:29:07 | Bongo | what size is the screen? |
| 14:29:49 | Twiun | say 236x301 (after removal of the borders) - 240x320 logical pixels |
| 14:30:01 | Bongo | :) |
| 14:30:02 | Twiun | or was that 236x297? |
| 14:30:07 | Twiun | you get the idea ;-) |
| 14:30:11 | Twiun | *tiny* |
| 14:30:23 | Bongo | lol |
| 14:30:29 | Piete | hi JasonNJ :) Hows it going? |
| 14:30:31 | chouimat | need coffee |
| 14:30:31 | Bongo | mouseovers dont work with pda's |
| 14:30:49 | Bongo | hey |
| 14:30:53 | Twiun | Bongo: Also, remember that browsers on the Z have zooming - don't use fixed sizes ;-) |
| 14:31:05 | Bongo | my website has squeezed itself into me zaurus |
| 14:31:12 | Bongo | one i made |
| 14:31:33 | Bongo | http://ray.thorp.users.btopenworld.com/cs_art/index.htm |
| 14:32:32 | Twiun | hmmm... not resolving |
| 14:32:51 | Bongo | fine for me |
| 14:33:51 | Twiun | oh well, nm - I'll get back to work ;-) |
| 14:33:55 | Bongo | :p |
| 14:58:46 | rikkus | hi |
| 14:59:08 | darienm | Why is the topic full of such meaningless blather? |
| 14:59:20 | rikkus | anyone fancy testing my vorbis icecast stream for me ? |
| 14:59:54 | Piete | rikkus: sure |
| 15:00:07 | Piete | rikkus: I'll ever relay it on peercast for you |
| 15:00:13 | Piete | s/ever/even |
| 15:00:19 | chouimat | hi rikkus |
| 15:00:29 | rikkus | Piete: http://without.rikkus.info:9000/high.ogg |
| 15:00:35 | rikkus | no-one else please, I only have so much bandwidth :) |
| 15:00:46 | rikkus | chouimat: hi |
| 15:00:55 | chouimat | rikkus: anything new |
| 15:01:00 | rikkus | Piete: I don't want it relaying, it's just temporary |
| 15:01:11 | rikkus | chouimat: not much |
| 15:01:13 | Piete | k |
| 15:01:13 | rikkus | chouimat: you? |
| 15:01:24 | rikkus | Piete: I'm just testing tkcRadio with it |
| 15:01:25 | chouimat | same as usual, boring work |
| 15:01:55 | Piete | rikkus: cool, it works :) |
| 15:02:00 | rikkus | Piete: nice |
| 15:02:08 | Piete | nice music ;) |
| 15:02:16 | rikkus | Piete: heh, british folk :) |
| 15:02:17 | chouimat | rikkus: what playing? |
| 15:02:36 | rikkus | Bert Jansch |
| 15:03:02 | chouimat | rikkus: did BB send you a theory in pratice ogg? |
| 15:03:11 | rikkus | chouimat: er, no, don't think so |
| 15:03:19 | chouimat | ok |
| 15:03:32 | rikkus | Piete: seems to only take 14k outgoing, actually... and I have about 40k |
| 15:03:51 | Piete | rikkus: you should look at peercast, it should work with the zaurus... |
| 15:04:02 | chouimat | peercast? |
| 15:04:20 | Piete | rikkus: with it someone with only a 56K connection can relay to infinite people |
| 15:04:32 | Piete | chouimat: think gnutella streaming radio |
| 15:04:44 | rikkus | Piete: heh, infinite people who don't mind listening at 24kbps ;) |
| 15:04:50 | Piete | lol |
| 15:04:58 | chouimat | Piete: ok. so with my cable modem .... |
| 15:04:59 | rikkus | can't stand any less than 64kbps vorbis or 128kbps mp3 |
| 15:05:03 | rikkus | and even those are pretty nasty |
| 15:05:57 | Piete | yea.. |
| 15:06:22 | Piete | k, I disconnected now ;) |
| 15:06:24 | chouimat | Piete: is peercast to use? |
| 15:06:32 | rikkus | Piete: ok, thanks for testing |
| 15:06:35 | Piete | np |
| 15:06:45 | Piete | chouimat: please rephrase? |
| 15:07:04 | chouimat | Piete: is peercast easy to use? |
| 15:07:38 | Data | is gone. Gone since Fri Oct 18 11:00:00 2002 |
| 15:08:00 | Piete | chouimat: well, its easy to use, and easy to relay existing channels (like shoutcast) on to the peercast network.. But setting up your own channel is a little more work |
| 15:08:05 | Data__ | is gone. Gone since Fri Oct 18 11:00:00 2002 |
| 15:08:25 | chouimat | Piete: I have some problem here with icecast ... |
| 15:08:29 | Piete | chouimat: On windows its pretty east to make your own channel I thinkl |
| 15:08:48 | Piete | chouimat: ah... well peercast actualy uses Icecast on linux ;) |
| 15:09:11 | rikkus | chouimat: _everyone_ has problems with icecast. It's shite :} |
| 15:09:21 | chouimat | Piete: was drunk when I tryed that ... :) |
| 15:09:26 | rikkus | no user docs, no format docs, difficult to build, buggy... |
| 15:09:30 | Piete | chouimat: you tell icecast to broadcast 'to' peercast, and peercast broadcasts on to the mesh |
| 15:09:40 | Piete | rikkus: yea, it sucks.. |
| 15:10:11 | rikkus | is very seriously considering writing an all-in-one, easy to install, single package, easy to use, shoutcast-compatible server |
| 15:10:50 | Piete | rikkus: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! |
| 15:11:04 | chouimat | rikkus: do it |
| 15:11:12 | rikkus | well, I have a lot of the necessary code already, written by me |
| 15:11:16 | rikkus | i.e. an http server |
| 15:11:21 | Piete | awesome! |
| 15:11:36 | rikkus | so it would even port to Win* and MacOS X easily |
| 15:11:40 | rikkus | because it's pure Qt |
| 15:11:51 | rikkus | and you get realtime control too |
| 15:12:04 | Piete | damn! |
| 15:12:37 | rikkus | so basically I need to add some vorbis recoding functionality |
| 15:12:48 | Piete | rikkus: you should concider writing a 'GUi config' tool, for playlists etc, and a daemon mode so that I don't have to have X open always |
| 15:12:58 | rikkus | remove the kicker applet stuff, so it doesn't depend on KDE |
| 15:13:11 | rikkus | yes, daemon mode would be good |
| 15:13:20 | Piete | rikkus: man, that would rule ;) |
| 15:13:22 | rikkus | and easy |
| 15:13:41 | rikkus | probably 2 weeks' work |
| 15:13:47 | rikkus | just need to get 2 weeks free :) |
| 15:14:42 | rikkus | chouimat: that music is... well... like Pantera |
| 15:15:00 | Piete | rikkus: will it be Open Sourceish? |
| 15:16:11 | rikkus | probably |
| 15:16:18 | rikkus | my http server is under the X11 license |
| 15:16:23 | rikkus | in fact, all open source stuff I do is |
| 15:16:46 | rikkus | except when I get objections from other people working on the source :} |
| 15:16:50 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 15:16:56 | rikkus | doesn't like *GPL |
| 15:17:06 | Cloudchaser | oops sorry wrong window ;) |
| 15:17:46 | Piete | rikkus: how is the X11 licence different? |
| 15:18:13 | rikkus | it lets anyone make closed source stuff using your code |
| 15:18:25 | kergoth | x11 license similar to the bsd lienses? |
| 15:18:28 | kergoth | s/lienses/licenses/ |
| 15:18:32 | rikkus | it basically says "Don't sue me, don't say you wrote it" |
| 15:18:36 | rikkus | quite similar, yes |
| 15:18:37 | chouimat | like the BSD licenses |
| 15:18:49 | Piete | rikkus: neat |
| 15:18:59 | rikkus | the BSD license is a little stricter |
| 15:19:06 | Piete | rikkus: lots of people arent particularly impressed with the GLP |
| 15:19:09 | Piete | GPL even |
| 15:19:17 | chouimat | GPL is a virus |
| 15:19:26 | rikkus | the BSD license says you have to put the BSD license in with all releases |
| 15:20:07 | Piete | ah.. |
| 15:20:35 | rikkus | well, the X11 license does too, but it's slightly different wording |
| 15:21:26 | rikkus | and it doesn't have the advertising clause that some BSD licenses have tacked on |
| 15:22:43 | Piete | hmmm, I really thought I should see some Access points here :/ |
| 15:23:03 | Piete | I'm in the centre of Seoul.. Pop 18 million people.. |
| 15:24:39 | hardwire | biznatches |
| 15:24:43 | kergoth | bastard |
| 15:24:48 | hardwire | dratsab |
| 15:24:51 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 15:25:04 | hardwire | is sick |
| 15:25:15 | hardwire | cold/stupidity |
| 15:25:26 | mark | does anyone have an ipk for jeode made up? (yes yes, i've got a sl5000 so i'm licensed to use it) |
| 15:25:51 | hardwire | liscence to be funky |
| 15:25:56 | Piete | mark: we don'y beleive you :P |
| 15:26:01 | Piete | don't even |
| 15:26:09 | hardwire | please ship me the 5000D so I can confirm |
| 15:26:20 | Piete | hehehe |
| 15:26:23 | rikkus | wonders about selling an 'internet radio appliance'... three sockets on it - power, network, audio input. Plug it in, connect it to audio output from (somewhere), you serve vorbis radio |
| 15:26:41 | rikkus | web-based management, probably |
| 15:26:41 | hardwire | uses his firewall for that :) |
| 15:26:51 | Piete | does the same as hardwire |
| 15:26:57 | rikkus | well, would be easy for radio stations |
| 15:27:00 | hardwire | liceice/darkice are great |
| 15:27:02 | rikkus | just buy the box, plug it in |
| 15:27:08 | hardwire | liveice :) |
| 15:27:08 | Piete | rikkus: web based management == ssh + pico |
| 15:27:09 | hardwire | lice!! |
| 15:27:10 | hardwire | AHH! |
| 15:27:12 | hardwire | runs |
| 15:27:24 | Piete | rikkus: :-P |
| 15:27:26 | rikkus | Piete: hehe, and how many DJs can handle the shell ? :) |
| 15:27:34 | hardwire | heh |
| 15:27:44 | mark | Piete: heh, look on the trolltech competition winners list :P |
| 15:27:46 | hardwire | well they can bash your product live :) |
| 15:27:56 | rikkus | could even have realtime management via vnc... |
| 15:28:09 | rikkus | just export an X11 desktop |
| 15:28:17 | rikkus | with a fullscreen app running |
| 15:28:19 | hardwire | rikkus: I was supposed to make one of those for a radio station in alaska |
| 15:28:21 | Piete | mark: anyway, sorry, I don't have a IPK for it.. |
| 15:28:27 | mark | gah, someone must have made one :( |
| 15:28:29 | Cloudchaser | wow, i just got a call from a headhunter out of the blue :) a former client gave her my name :) |
| 15:28:30 | hardwire | rikkus: the "other" application is what I was supposed to do |
| 15:28:41 | chouimat | rikkus: My brother and I, we are planning a to do a video/audio/streams recorder DVD player combo |
| 15:28:41 | hardwire | line in to mp3/esd/whatever |
| 15:28:46 | Piete | rikkus: but you should keep it simple.. and the costs down |
| 15:28:47 | hardwire | send over wireless to top of mountiain |
| 15:28:55 | hardwire | receiver box |
| 15:29:00 | hardwire | out to broadcast tower |
| 15:29:01 | rikkus | Piete: right, just one of those shuttle PCs, basically |
| 15:29:22 | chouimat | rikkus: the prototype cost us about 750$ CDN |
| 15:29:25 | rikkus | Piete: no custom hardware at all, just off-the-shelf parts, preferably pre-built |
| 15:29:26 | hardwire | lots of small radio stations are only liscenced for proprietary mono style wireless links |
| 15:29:31 | Piete | rikkus: hmm, but that would still be to much for a 'glorified radio' |
| 15:29:43 | rikkus | Piete: it's not a radio, it's an internet radio server |
| 15:29:49 | Piete | rikkus: ahhhh |
| 15:30:04 | rikkus | Piete: you are thinking of the reverse :) |
| 15:30:05 | Piete | rikkus: sorry, I thought you meant 'radio player' |
| 15:30:14 | Piete | :-D |
| 15:30:16 | hardwire | :) |
| 15:30:34 | rikkus | you can already buy 'internet radios' |
| 15:30:40 | hardwire | rikkus throw in an fm card plus external loop antenna and then corperations can use it :) |
| 15:31:12 | rikkus | hardwire: you mean, rebroadcast FM after encoding ? |
| 15:31:20 | hardwire | heh |
| 15:31:20 | hardwire | no |
| 15:31:29 | hardwire | rebroadcast local fm stations over a network |
| 15:31:34 | rikkus | oh |
| 15:31:39 | hardwire | so that people in parts of the building w/ bad reception don't have to suffer |
| 15:31:43 | rikkus | that sounds kinda pointless :) |
| 15:31:44 | rikkus | ah |
| 15:31:46 | rikkus | I see |
| 15:31:55 | hardwire | like milton in the basement |
| 15:31:57 | Piete | rikkus: yea! rebroadcast it over radio with this! http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/ |
| 15:31:58 | rikkus | hehe |
| 15:31:59 | chouimat | justs got a vision |
| 15:31:59 | ljp_work | is it technically a 'broadcast' if its on a network? |
| 15:32:12 | hardwire | ljp_work: you could multicast it :) |
| 15:32:26 | rikkus | Piete: er, no :P |
| 15:32:34 | hardwire | but that would make things a bit slow on crappy hubs/switches |
| 15:32:35 | Piete | lol |
| 15:32:43 | ljp_work | I mean in the FCC way, as in 'its illegal to rebroadcast' |
| 15:32:55 | hardwire | ljp_work I dunno |
| 15:33:00 | hardwire | probably |
| 15:33:02 | rikkus | hardwire: well, you only need about 12kB/s |
| 15:33:03 | hardwire | :) |
| 15:33:18 | Piete | peercast.org |
| 15:33:25 | chouimat | rikkus: did you like the ogg? |
| 15:33:30 | Piete | for a company lan that is great |
| 15:33:31 | hardwire | multicasting likes to eat up most switches |
| 15:33:34 | hardwire | no matter the thruput |
| 15:34:00 | rikkus | chouimat: it sounds like Pantera, but not as good |
| 15:34:39 | chouimat | rikkus: I have another one here for you |
| 15:34:41 | hardwire | no fucking way! |
| 15:34:43 | hardwire | http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/ |
| 15:34:45 | hardwire | that is amazing! |
| 15:35:09 | Piete | yea, and it works :) |
| 15:35:16 | hardwire | simplly amazing |
| 15:35:29 | hardwire | somebody got bored :) |
| 15:35:29 | Piete | I had it a few years back on one of my old PCs :) |
| 15:35:54 | Piete | hardwire: if you are bored enough you could even 'see' somebody else's screen |
| 15:36:14 | hardwire | ? |
| 15:36:17 | Piete | hardwire: just by the electromagnetic waves it makes when displaying stuff |
| 15:37:15 | Piete | hardwire: sorry, I don't have a link for that right now |
| 15:37:29 | rikkus | chouimat: heh, that was chat, not send |
| 15:37:51 | hardwire | Piete: gotcha interesting :) |
| 15:37:55 | chouimat | rikkus: I know, I waiting your acceptation now |
| 15:38:09 | rikkus | chouimat: I accepted it, it failed |
| 15:38:19 | rikkus | chouimat: try send |
| 15:38:44 | rikkus | chouimat: oh, you did |
| 15:38:50 | rikkus | BigBoss: morning |
| 15:39:11 | bipolar | BigBoss: hello |
| 15:39:21 | Piete | to BigBoss |
| 15:39:22 | kergoth | hey BigBoss |
| 15:39:25 | chouimat | rikkus: accept |
| 15:39:27 | Piete | s/to/yo |
| 15:40:11 | rikkus | chouimat: I accepted |
| 15:40:19 | hardwire | needs 8bpp mode |
| 15:40:19 | hardwire | :( |
| 15:40:27 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 15:40:29 | chouimat | rikkus: trying again |
| 15:40:36 | kergoth | hrm |
| 15:40:51 | BigBoss | chouimat: did rikkus propose marriage to you? :) |
| 15:40:57 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:41:01 | chouimat | BigBoss: shhh! |
| 15:41:23 | Piete | lol |
| 15:41:49 | chouimat | BigBoss: just sending him Spiral Architect |
| 15:41:58 | BigBoss | ah |
| 15:42:09 | BigBoss | I'm not sure if I got those other songs to him we talked about |
| 15:42:23 | hardwire | takes a cat nap |
| 15:42:37 | chouimat | and hardwire will be back in 5 minuites |
| 15:43:01 | chouimat | BigBoss: my webserver is currently off |
| 15:45:14 | Piete | how do I get those 'tabs' under the terminal so I can have more than one open at a time? |
| 15:47:11 | ljp_work | install embeddedkonsol with tabs |
| 15:47:30 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 15:47:46 | Piete | thanks ljp |
| 15:50:41 | chouimat | rikkus: enjoy |
| 15:50:47 | rikkus | chouimat: timing's nicely funky |
| 15:51:30 | chouimat | rikkus: quite like the bass player |
| 15:51:39 | rikkus | chouimat: hehe, that's you ? |
| 15:51:46 | chouimat | rikkus: I wish |
| 15:51:49 | rikkus | :) |
| 15:53:07 | chouimat | rikkus: I play drums, and I found a girl able to play that but she prefer jazz so ... heavier stuff |
| 15:54:06 | Piete | hmmm, embedded konsol is niice :) |
| 15:56:52 | chouimat | what? they want to be able to control the firewall with a palm via ir? |
| 15:57:01 | chouimat | oops wrong window |
| 15:57:56 | mark | chouimat: that'd be good for when you block all network traffic by mistake... |
| 15:58:02 | rikkus | chouimat: well, I quite liked that.. a little bit non-interesting in the guitar dept. and the singer needs replacing, but otherwise pretty good :) |
| 15:58:25 | mark | can i hear? :) |
| 15:58:34 | chouimat | rikkus: hard critic :) |
| 15:59:28 | chouimat | mark: you can do that on the console, via the web interface etc .... |
| 15:59:57 | mark | chouimat: well for a box without a monitor on it i was thinkng |
| 15:59:58 | Piete | time for bed... *yawn* |
| 16:00:01 | Piete | nite guys |
| 16:00:57 | xml0 | are the kompany apps worth buying? |
| 16:01:12 | ljp_work | depends |
| 16:01:14 | chouimat | mark: that can be fun to add (challenge but I don't see any usefullness for me) |
| 16:01:39 | BigBoss | ljp_work: the correct answer is, "absolutely" |
| 16:01:43 | ljp_work | tkc has alot of loyal customers |
| 16:01:43 | BigBoss | :) |
| 16:01:57 | mark | ljp_work: and a loyal cloner :P |
| 16:02:03 | ljp_work | I am trying to be unbiased and objective |
| 16:02:35 | BigBoss | well done :) |
| 16:02:40 | smad|w | wow - I didnt think mplayer [url] would work so well from my home machine |
| 16:02:42 | BigBoss | xml0: what app are you looking at? |
| 16:02:57 | xml0 | expenses for a start |
| 16:03:16 | BigBoss | in the interest of full disclosure, I am the president of theKompany |
| 16:03:20 | mark | hehe |
| 16:03:22 | xml0 | heh |
| 16:03:29 | BigBoss | if you need to track expenses, then tkcExpense is a very useful app |
| 16:03:40 | rikkus | xml0: I think the tkc apps are great too |
| 16:03:40 | xml0 | so I guess that means you're a little biased maybe :) |
| 16:03:49 | rikkus | biased as well |
| 16:04:06 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 16:04:06 | mark | ibot: search zsi for qbug |
| 16:04:07 | xml0 | ok, I'm sold. how much for everything for the zaurus? |
| 16:04:17 | rikkus | xml0: heh, you're easy to sell to |
| 16:04:21 | BigBoss | xml0: I use it myself all the time, but as far as I know, there isn't anything as full featured as tkcExpense |
| 16:04:22 | smad|w | subtitles have to be local though it seems |
| 16:04:54 | chouimat | mark qbug? |
| 16:05:10 | treke|home | xml0: last time I did a rough count it was a couple hundred for everything :) but thats a lot of software |
| 16:05:17 | xml0 | so is there an "everything" button somewhere? |
| 16:05:19 | | QBug 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=395 |
| 16:05:19 | treke|home | ibot search zsi for qbug |
| 16:05:26 | treke|home | mark: no , or : |
| 16:05:35 | BigBoss | we've got like 22 apps now, if you buy 10 or more there is a 25% discount |
| 16:05:50 | mark | treke|home: ah okay |
| 16:05:53 | BigBoss | just make sure if you are going to buy something to get it from www.thekompany.com/embedded and not at myzaurus |
| 16:06:14 | xml0 | why's that? |
| 16:06:34 | xml0 | you don't have to pay a commission perhaps :) |
| 16:07:05 | BigBoss | because it's cheaper on our site, and you have discounts |
| 16:07:13 | xml0 | ok |
| 16:07:13 | BigBoss | we can't do those kind of bundle discounts on myzaurus |
| 16:07:30 | BigBoss | it's up to you, we make about the same money either way, but you save money on our site |
| 16:07:52 | xml0 | so does the "couple hundred" include the 25% or not? |
| 16:08:03 | mrwoody | what is the best backup software? |
| 16:08:15 | mark | mrwoody: cp |
| 16:08:29 | mrwoody | mark: :-) ok |
| 16:08:41 | ljp_work | rsync |
| 16:08:46 | mrwoody | mark: maybe cp -R works better |
| 16:09:08 | ljp_work | cpio |
| 16:09:11 | mark | mrwoody: if ur doing directories sure :) |
| 16:09:12 | mark | tar |
| 16:09:19 | mark | cvs :P |
| 16:09:27 | ljp_work | rsync |
| 16:09:31 | mrwoody | about for mail? |
| 16:09:31 | BigBoss | xml0: you'd need to add it up, you probably don't want everything |
| 16:09:59 | BigBoss | say you got 10 items, the list will be about $100 to $150, and then 25% off of that |
| 16:10:11 | BigBoss | it's like getting a couple apps for free, possibly more |
| 16:10:45 | mrwoody | interesting: root@zaurus:~> ipkg info opie-mail2 |
| 16:10:45 | mrwoody | Package: opie-mail2 |
| 16:10:46 | mrwoody | ... |
| 16:10:51 | xml0 | bigboss: it's a lot of work though. how about at least bundling up simlar apps together? |
| 16:10:54 | mrwoody | root@zaurus:~> ipkg files opie-mail2 |
| 16:10:55 | mrwoody | Package opie-mail2 not installed. |
| 16:11:05 | mrwoody | what is wrong with that? |
| 16:11:30 | xml0 | it's going to take me an hour to go through everything and decide. I'd prefer to click an "everything for $200" button to be honest |
| 16:11:34 | chouimat | hey mrwoody |
| 16:11:43 | BigBoss | xml0: we use to have a bundle, but everyone wanted a different bundle, so just buy the apps you want and get the discount |
| 16:11:44 | mrwoody | hi chouimat... |
| 16:11:51 | mrwoody | chouimat: what are you up to today? |
| 16:12:02 | BigBoss | if youdon't want to decided, then just add everything to your cart and go ;) |
| 16:12:33 | xml0 | first of all nothing gets added. presumably you need cookies or something? |
| 16:12:50 | BigBoss | of course, otherwise we can't track it |
| 16:13:03 | xml0 | well, you can. use url cookies |
| 16:13:14 | BigBoss | well, we don't |
| 16:13:24 | BigBoss | did you fax me about being cookie averse last month? |
| 16:13:26 | xml0 | right... |
| 16:13:29 | xml0 | no. but I am |
| 16:13:35 | mrwoody | chouimat: can windows read minix? |
| 16:13:43 | chouimat | mrwoody: nope |
| 16:13:58 | mrwoody | chouimat: not at all? (i mean not even with some software?) |
| 16:14:02 | chouimat | BigBoss: any new version of aethera soon? |
| 16:14:05 | mrwoody | chouimat: how about ext2? |
| 16:14:25 | chouimat | mrwoody: ext2 everywere :) about 40$ |
| 16:14:36 | rikkus | anyone know if SD cards have a max no. of write cycles, like CF ? |
| 16:14:36 | BigBoss | chouimat: couple weeks I think, we are making Whiteboard work as a plug in currently |
| 16:14:42 | Twiun | mrwoody: there's also two dodgy ext2 drivers floating around the net ;-) |
| 16:14:46 | mrwoody | chouimat: what is 40$? |
| 16:15:03 | chouimat | mrwoody: for ext2fs everywhere |
| 16:15:05 | BigBoss | xml0: well you can delete the cookies from your system after you finish shopping, but we don't have any other way to accomodate you |
| 16:15:07 | mrwoody | Twiun: can you write on ext2? (i mean from windows) |
| 16:15:27 | chouimat | mrwoody: search for windows ext2 on google |
| 16:15:31 | Twiun | mrwoody: No idea... I was using the driver for recovery purposes... I wasn't about to start writing on the disk ;-) |
| 16:15:54 | chouimat | Twiun: the commercial app can write to ext2 |
| 16:16:24 | mrwoody | chouimat: i am tired of all this packages that cannot be installed on vfat... on the other hand i would like to use my cf card also to transfer some stuff from office to home (faster than cdburning i guess) |
| 16:16:32 | Twiun | chouimat: Cool ;-) No longer needed |
| 16:17:16 | chouimat | Twiun: currently trying to settup OpenAFS here, samba sucks |
| 16:17:18 | mrwoody | chouimat: i's rather look for it on easywarez |
| 16:17:32 | chouimat | mrwoody: try cracks.am :) |
| 16:17:34 | | warez are a BAD thing, I'll report you to the appropriate authorities ASAP! |
| 16:17:34 | Twiun | ibot: warez |
| 16:17:51 | Twiun | mrwoody: Tut, tut, tut |
| 16:17:52 | chouimat | mrwoody: easywarez? |
| 16:17:53 | BigBoss | good ibot |
| 16:18:05 | | ...but mrwoody is ciaolinux at home... |
| 16:18:05 | mrwoody | ibot: i am not talking about ipk warez... |
| 16:18:32 | kergoth | http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 16:18:41 | kergoth | people go there, give noda and i your opinions |
| 16:18:51 | Twiun | mrwoody: As a former student, I can say warez were useful - but I now pay my way... So my views on warez is -> all of them bad |
| 16:19:03 | Twiun | And yes, I *am* a hyppocrite... |
| 16:19:04 | | OK, ljp_work. |
| 16:19:04 | ljp_work | ibot: warez is also free zaurus warez at http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 16:19:11 | mrwoody | Twiun: ok! :-) |
| 16:19:36 | Twiun | grins |
| 16:20:15 | mrwoody | I don't remember if chouimat or kergoth told me few days ago that to install something on /root, you need to take off the cf card... it looks like this problem stil exists |
| 16:20:39 | xml0 | bigboss: I can live with turning cookies on. just be nice if the site told me I had to |
| 16:21:23 | Twiun | xml0: at least they don't use popups ;-) |
| 16:21:35 | xml0 | what's a popup? |
| 16:22:19 | Twiun | xml0: good point... my javascript tends to be disabled most of the time... |
| 16:22:53 | BigBoss | god I hate popups |
| 16:22:55 | xml0 | people who require javascript on a site that sells you stuff should be shot^w castigated... |
| 16:23:02 | BigBoss | IE doesn't even have an obvious way to turn off javascript |
| 16:23:27 | BigBoss | nothing is inherintly wrong with javascript, it's a nice language, but the abuse is annoying |
| 16:23:59 | xml0 | it's requiring it that is wrong. not using it if people want it |
| 16:24:19 | ljp_work | there is an obvious way to turn off javascript in IE... use phoenix |
| 16:24:28 | kergoth | phoenix rocks |
| 16:25:05 | BigBoss | phoenix is looking pretty interetsting |
| 16:25:20 | mrwoody | kergoth: is the one that i describe just now a problem of ipkg or of aqpkg? |
| 16:25:23 | xml0 | a bit of awk says 206.96 for everything |
| 16:25:30 | kergoth | mrwoody: ipkg. |
| 16:25:32 | xml0 | I could live with that if there was an everything button |
| 16:25:39 | mrwoody | kergoth: how t |
| 16:25:47 | kergoth | mrwoody: ipkg has a bug related to destinations. onyx4 is adding an faq to openzaurus.org on upgrades as we speak |
| 16:25:48 | mrwoody | kergoth: how about the ipkg files ? |
| 16:25:55 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:26:11 | mrwoody | kergoth: it seems that also ipkg files has some problems |
| 16:26:12 | BigBoss | xml0: you are the first person to ask for a 'buy everything' :) |
| 16:26:17 | kergoth | no |
| 16:26:18 | kergoth | just |
| 16:26:21 | xml0 | I'm lazy :) |
| 16:26:24 | kergoth | ipkg -d [dest] files [packagename] |
| 16:26:41 | mrwoody | oh ... i see |
| 16:26:58 | kergoth | mrwoody: the ipkg database for items installed to a dest, *resides* on the dest itself :) |
| 16:27:09 | mrwoody | kergoth: is there a way to see on aqpkg what is dest of a package? |
| 16:27:40 | kergoth | mrwoody: not sure. dont think so. ask AndyQ, he wrote it |
| 16:27:58 | | andyq was last seen on #openzaurus 1 days, 50 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: bipolar: Cheers [Wed Oct 23 09:37:47 2002] |
| 16:27:58 | mrwoody | ibot: seen andyq |
| 16:28:33 | ljp_work | there's a combo box for destinations |
| 16:28:43 | mrwoody | kergoth: another thing that maybe should be added, is to visualize the files of the package and a find option |
| 16:28:57 | kergoth | mrwoody: add opie feature requests using the bug tracking system |
| 16:28:59 | | kergoth: huh? |
| 16:28:59 | kergoth | ibot oz bugs |
| 16:29:01 | | i heard opie bugs was http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 16:29:01 | kergoth | ibot opie bugs |
| 16:29:03 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:29:17 | mrwoody | kergoth: ok |
| 16:29:29 | chouimat | kergoth: found a bug tracker? |
| 16:30:11 | kergoth | chouimat: not yet. havent looked. btw that one you pointed me to the screenshots of, can you submit tickets without having to login? |
| 16:30:20 | kergoth | i hate how bugzilla and mantis force you to login to submit a bug |
| 16:31:18 | BigBoss | kergoth: think of it from the point of the people dealing with the bug - they might need more information or clarification |
| 16:32:17 | chouimat | kergoth: gnats :) |
| 16:33:04 | chouimat | kergoth: RT? it's an email based one |
| 16:33:43 | BigBoss | we use to use that one |
| 16:33:48 | kergoth | chouimat: gotcha |
| 16:33:49 | BigBoss | it's kind of a bugger |
| 16:34:02 | chouimat | BigBoss: Request Tracker? |
| 16:34:13 | kergoth | BigBoss: true.. maybe anonymous submission, but a required email textbox? |
| 16:34:48 | kergoth | ponders |
| 16:35:07 | mrwoody | is there phoenix for debian? |
| 16:35:17 | ljp_work | can't be credible with anonymity |
| 16:35:21 | chouimat | kergoth: just add a sumit bug on the oz site :) |
| 16:36:13 | Cloudchaser | what is phoenix? |
| 16:36:19 | treke|home | mrwoody: just download from the phoenix webstie |
| 16:36:23 | treke|home | mrwoody: it isnt packaged |
| 16:36:25 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: web browser |
| 16:36:39 | noda | A mythical bird whose feather is renowned for its healing power - it can bring people back to life. |
| 16:36:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:36:47 | noda | And its tear can cure all wounds. |
| 16:36:56 | noda | Oh, right, and a browser :) |
| 16:36:57 | mrwoody | treke|home: well never mind.. i was just curious... galeon works good |
| 16:37:58 | chouimat | what it's phoenix? |
| 16:38:12 | kergoth | chouimat: mozilla.org/projects/phoenix |
| 16:38:57 | chouimat | ok another memory eater :) |
| 16:39:26 | kergoth | chouimat: eats memory same as mozilla, but it starts -fast- |
| 16:39:43 | mrwoody | kergoth: compare to galeon? |
| 16:39:49 | chouimat | kergoth: did try it |
| 16:44:14 | mrwoody | finally i have a zaurus working... and hopefully i can use it for stuff different from installing oz on it |
| 16:44:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:44:35 | kergoth | hasnt used his pda as a pda in some time now |
| 16:46:25 | mrwoody | :-) |
| 16:47:16 | ljp_work | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048585605.html |
| 16:47:38 | mrwoody | kergoth: have you ever tried galeon? |
| 16:48:32 | kergoth | mrwoody: yeah, i use it on my linux box at home |
| 16:48:54 | mrwoody | kergoth: which one is faster? phoenix or galeon? |
| 16:51:35 | chouimat | kergoth: is your script ready? |
| 16:52:20 | ljp_work | links is faster |
| 16:52:47 | mrwoody | you mean lynx? |
| 16:52:56 | ljp_work | nope links |
| 16:53:01 | mrwoody | what is that? |
| 16:53:09 | ljp_work | web browser |
| 16:53:12 | chouimat | mrwoody: a web browser |
| 16:53:16 | ljp_work | like lynx with tables |
| 16:53:19 | mrwoody | similar to dillo, w3m or galeon? |
| 16:53:33 | mrwoody | ok... simiar to w3m then... i like w3m |
| 16:53:50 | kergoth | mrwoody: similar to lynx/w3m, but with more lynx like key bindings |
| 16:53:51 | kergoth | mrwoody: and support for ssl |
| 16:54:19 | mrwoody | nice |
| 16:54:51 | mrwoody | hmm... non solaris |
| 16:55:35 | Twiun | anyone know why mozilla (1.1) adds 4pixels to the bottom of an image in a table? |
| 16:56:57 | Twiun | it's driving me nuts |
| 16:57:44 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 16:57:52 | kergoth | hey harlekin |
| 16:57:54 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:57:57 | Harlekin | hi kergoth |
| 16:58:00 | mrwoody | goes to work |
| 16:58:07 | mrwoody | bye everyone |
| 17:02:53 | BigBoss | Twiun: cause it can? |
| 17:07:43 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 14 hours, 5 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: but since I don't use gnome at all, I am in no hurry [Wed Oct 23 21:02:36 2002] |
| 17:07:43 | tux_mike | ibot seen warmi |
| 17:08:39 | chouimat | hmmm definitly need two more bookshelfs |
| 17:08:53 | BigBoss | the porn DVD's taking up too much space? |
| 17:09:39 | Twiun | BigBoss: hrmph, and here I am, trying to make the damn pages as nice as possible... |
| 17:10:06 | kergoth | wheres benmeyer when you need to pester him incessently anyway |
| 17:10:37 | BigBoss | Twiun: what damn pages? |
| 17:11:33 | Twiun | BigBoss: I'm changing my faq's styles ;-) |
| 17:11:53 | Twiun | BigBoss: but I've found a workaround... enclose the <img> tag within a div |
| 17:13:33 | BigBoss | ah |
| 17:13:53 | Twiun | so I get <div><img></div> which is pretty pointless, but it works |
| 17:14:18 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:23:48 | Twiun | kergoth: this is a bit better ;-) http://adorphuye.com/test/ |
| 17:24:03 | kergoth_ | Twiun: fancy :) |
| 17:24:26 | Twiun | I'm leaving the metallic finishing touches till later :-D |
| 17:24:50 | Twiun | kergoth_: and sod netscape 4.78 ;-) |
| 17:24:54 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 17:32:42 | Twiun | screams! |
| 17:32:48 | Twiun | and now Opera is foobard |
| 17:36:33 | kergoth | chouimat: gnats sucks too |
| 17:36:45 | kergoth | why doesnt a bug tracking system exist with a UI that is actually usable? |
| 17:36:47 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:37:20 | Twiun | cool... only NS6 to fix now! |
| 17:37:39 | ljp_work | cause web developers are idiots :D |
| 17:37:53 | kergoth | thing is |
| 17:37:58 | Twiun | ljp_work: meaning me or the coders for Netscape? |
| 17:38:01 | kergoth | theres a difference between a good web designer |
| 17:38:05 | kergoth | and a web developer |
| 17:38:17 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 17:38:18 | kergoth | a designer has UI and interface and graphics concerns more nailed down |
| 17:38:42 | kergoth | could be a web developer, backend stuff, but never a web designer in the real sense of the word |
| 17:38:42 | chouimat | kergoth: search for preps |
| 17:38:45 | ljp_work | or a web architect |
| 17:38:57 | ljp_work | I was just kiddin' anyway |
| 17:39:10 | kergoth | i know :) |
| 17:42:21 | chouimat | kergoth: stop ircing bash some customers :) |
| 17:44:04 | victorvdl | Anyone have a working PHP+web server? |
| 17:44:15 | chouimat | victorvdl: nanoweb! |
| 17:44:39 | victorvdl | chouimat: yea, but the php in the OZ feed doesn't work. |
| 17:45:17 | victorvdl | Requires libpam.so |
| 17:45:30 | chouimat | hi Snipah |
| 17:45:36 | Snipah | hi |
| 17:47:17 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:48:21 | Harlekin | Snipah: youre free again? |
| 17:48:34 | Harlekin | *g* |
| 17:48:51 | Snipah | free? |
| 17:49:09 | victorvdl | They let you out of jail already? |
| 17:49:24 | Snipah | I have eluded everyone... |
| 17:51:09 | Neo|Work | yo Snipah man! |
| 17:51:10 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 17:57:18 | hash | hmm... |
| 17:57:31 | hash | one thing about the z is that it gets scratched so easily |
| 17:57:41 | hash | even the paint under the screen protector |
| 17:57:49 | hash | i dont know how tthat got scratched |
| 17:58:42 | Twiun | by the screen protector ;-) |
| 17:58:43 | levi | I think the screen protector bends and scratches it when you put pressure on it. |
| 18:02:12 | xml0 | bigboss: how about an extra 10% off if you buy everything? I'll sign up the moment you fix the web page... |
| 18:02:34 | xml0 | s/fix/modify/ |
| 18:05:31 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ |
| 18:05:40 | JasonNJ | yo goth. |
| 18:05:55 | JasonNJ | so, how close are we to releasing the next prerel? |
| 18:06:09 | kergoth | only one major bug pending |
| 18:06:14 | kergoth | thats the networksetup crash |
| 18:06:16 | kergoth | pester ben for me :) |
| 18:06:54 | benmeyer | has been psetered |
| 18:07:01 | kergoth | benmeyer: hehe |
| 18:07:35 | benmeyer | is awaking and crawling from the hole^H^H^H^Hcube |
| 18:07:53 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:07:54 | kergoth | food |
| 18:14:45 | hash | anyone using the current unstable feed? |
| 18:14:51 | hash | i'm about to upgrade... |
| 18:19:56 | hash | does opie-pics usually take a loooooooooooong time? |
| 18:27:15 | benmeyer | http://mobile.yahoo.com/ |
| 18:27:18 | benmeyer | Vote for other |
| 18:27:19 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:30:00 | hardwire | por queueue! |
| 18:30:01 | hardwire | ? |
| 18:31:52 | victorvdl | benmeyer:Ok, did. :-D |
| 18:32:20 | benmeyer | wee |
| 18:32:22 | hardwire | too |
| 18:32:28 | hardwire | I would jump off a goddamn cliff for benmeyer |
| 18:32:30 | benmeyer | nothing like skuing stats |
| 18:32:55 | hardwire | benmeyer wanna really skew them? |
| 18:33:08 | hardwire | just set up wget to use the anonymous proxy list in a for loop |
| 18:33:25 | kergoth`lunch | hah, thats evil |
| 18:33:29 | victorvdl | Now, ifonly I can find a cheap wifi cf card. |
| 18:33:40 | hardwire | victorvdl: you can make one |
| 18:33:44 | hardwire | write this down |
| 18:33:46 | hardwire | you need one goat |
| 18:33:52 | hardwire | an alter boy |
| 18:33:53 | benmeyer | buy.com |
| 18:33:54 | hardwire | what else |
| 18:33:56 | victorvdl | hardwire: from what? and for how much? |
| 18:34:03 | benmeyer | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 |
| 18:34:05 | hardwire | I dunno how much goats run nowadays |
| 18:34:10 | kergoth`lunch | buy.com has goats? |
| 18:34:28 | hardwire | benmeyer: hey.. thats not a goat |
| 18:34:29 | hash | Upgrading opie-pics from 0.9.1-20021011.1 to 0.9.1-20021019.1 |
| 18:34:34 | hash | it's been on that for the last 10 min |
| 18:34:43 | victorvdl | kergoth`lunch:maybe not, but ebay does... |
| 18:34:45 | hardwire | anybody tried out the low profile linksys CF card yet? |
| 18:35:44 | hardwire | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10328126&loc=101&rp=true |
| 18:36:13 | hardwire | converts addressbook.xml to sqlite |
| 18:36:30 | kergoth`lunch | hardwire: opie has a sql backend. ask zecke for status |
| 18:36:31 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 18:36:41 | hardwire | no shit! |
| 18:36:44 | hardwire | sqlite? |
| 18:36:44 | hardwire | fuckit |
| 18:36:49 | hardwire | in the end I know one thing |
| 18:36:50 | hardwire | I need X |
| 18:36:52 | hardwire | I have X |
| 18:37:04 | hardwire | I have a working resumable X |
| 18:37:04 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:37:16 | hardwire | therefore happyness occurs for the time being |
| 18:37:45 | hardwire | I actually don't expect most people to follow.. however for anything I have ever wanted to do with the PDA.. X was required :) |
| 18:39:27 | hardwire | anyhoot |
| 18:39:32 | hardwire | off to go play with some dudes wife |
| 18:39:57 | hash | kergoth`lunch: does that package usually take that long? |
| 18:40:18 | kergoth`lunch | hash: just let it go |
| 18:40:21 | kergoth`lunch | its a jffs2 thing |
| 18:40:26 | hash | uhhg |
| 18:40:26 | hash | k |
| 18:40:33 | hardwire | kergoth`lunch I really dig mtdram |
| 18:43:17 | hash | hardwire: me too |
| 19:01:16 | Neo|Work | everyone vote for my games for the people's choice awards at handango. :P |
| 19:01:28 | benmeyer | bla |
| 19:07:01 | BigBoss | they are having peoples choice awards? |
| 19:07:09 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 19:07:33 | BigBoss | i'd be happy to see sharp take Reef War off as the featured software after it's 3+ month reign |
| 19:08:27 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe |
| 19:08:54 | treke | where do we vote? |
| 19:09:30 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: definitely. IF needs to be there. :P |
| 19:09:54 | Snipah | bb: i think its coming off soon |
| 19:10:12 | victorvdl | Neo|Work: I'll say. IF is the coolest game ever, for any PDA. |
| 19:10:21 | Snipah | neo: IF is being featured in the next newsletter |
| 19:10:27 | Neo|Work | whee. :) |
| 19:10:47 | hash | kergoth: it's been on that file for the last 40 min... just leave it? |
| 19:10:48 | chouimat | Snipah: when the next newsletter hit the stand? |
| 19:11:01 | Snipah | this week |
| 19:11:07 | Snipah | its in legal for approval |
| 19:11:11 | victorvdl | Neo|Work: How many levels does IF have? |
| 19:11:23 | Snipah | actually i handle the developer newsletter.. IF willbe featued in the next user newsletter |
| 19:11:25 | Neo|Work | victorvdl: 12 I believe |
| 19:11:38 | victorvdl | Neo|Work: cool. |
| 19:11:57 | Neo|Work | grouped in three (4 levels each) distinct "missions" if you wish |
| 19:12:18 | victorvdl | pulc. |
| 19:12:20 | Neo|Work | I have reached level 6 or 7 I believe |
| 19:12:48 | Neo|Work | each 4 levels you get the option to continue there (i.e start at level 1, 5 or 9 once you've reached them) |
| 19:15:32 | chouimat | need to listens to some real music so he spins Spiral Architect |
| 19:16:21 | xml0 | thekompany don't physically deliver anything I presume? |
| 19:16:33 | xml0 | bit confused about the ordering when it asks for a delivery address |
| 19:16:34 | BigBoss | correct |
| 19:16:44 | BigBoss | it's a generic shopping cart |
| 19:16:47 | xml0 | ok |
| 19:16:53 | BigBoss | just click the check box that shipping is the same as billing |
| 19:17:13 | xml0 | I would've ordered everything, but since you made me go through the pain of clicking a million things, I didn't :( |
| 19:17:38 | xml0 | no hard feelings... |
| 19:17:45 | BigBoss | well I could have paid several thousand dollars to a web master to make it simple for you and change the entire site, but it didn't seem worth it |
| 19:17:46 | BigBoss | :) |
| 19:18:00 | xml0 | ok then. but I hate your web site |
| 19:18:23 | xml0 | if I could at least put a tick next to everything and then submit just once |
| 19:18:23 | Neo|Work | bah, web people cost like a buck an hour these days (cost for bananas included) |
| 19:19:14 | BigBoss | xml0: well, we use to have a menu system like that, but with about 100 items on it, it was even harder to work with |
| 19:19:27 | BigBoss | you are looking at it from the tunnel vision of your immediate need |
| 19:19:40 | BigBoss | we have to deal with tons of products and users with different needs |
| 19:19:42 | xml0 | "the customer is always right" |
| 19:19:50 | BigBoss | this configuration works best overall |
| 19:20:10 | xml0 | it's not an either/or thing |
| 19:21:59 | BigBoss | sure it is |
| 19:22:07 | BigBoss | if I jumped everytime a customer said to, we'd be out of business |
| 19:22:28 | chouimat | BigBoss: peoples are never happy |
| 19:22:33 | BigBoss | case in point |
| 19:22:58 | BigBoss | you are the first person out of tens of thousands of customers that has asked for this feature. Doesn't mean others might not have wanted it, but they didn't ask |
| 19:23:09 | BigBoss | it would cost thousands to impliment, and weeks to do it, if not months with testing |
| 19:23:19 | BigBoss | so we could get another $50 or so from you |
| 19:23:20 | xml0 | bah |
| 19:23:25 | BigBoss | it doesn't generate any new sales |
| 19:23:28 | xml0 | and all the referrals... |
| 19:23:31 | BigBoss | it's a money pit |
| 19:23:50 | BigBoss | the referrals should be on the quality of the software, not that it took you an extra few minutes to order |
| 19:24:10 | BigBoss | we certainly appreciate your order, and your input, but realities are realities |
| 19:24:54 | xml0 | here we go... there was an "error". doesn't tell me what the error was |
| 19:25:08 | xml0 | are you sure nobody else has said anything...? |
| 19:25:16 | chouimat | BigBoss: add a phone order service for him ;) |
| 19:25:37 | BigBoss | how many items did you order? |
| 19:25:40 | xml0 | 19 |
| 19:26:00 | BigBoss | I've had about 4 reports of problems that seem to be quantity related, but they aren't consistant, since others order large quantities |
| 19:26:09 | xml0 | I didn't bother with the ftp thing nor the database thing |
| 19:26:10 | Neo|Work | 19? Damn |
| 19:26:15 | BigBoss | when it has happened, I've had them cut back to 11 items, and it worked |
| 19:26:16 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 19:26:30 | BigBoss | if you want, you can fax me the order page and we'll manually process it |
| 19:26:33 | xml0 | 's heart sinks |
| 19:26:34 | BigBoss | just print it out |
| 19:26:40 | BigBoss | 949-713-4846 |
| 19:26:47 | xml0 | I just knew this was going to take hours |
| 19:26:47 | Cloudchaser | you'll like them xm10 |
| 19:26:53 | Cloudchaser | its worth it ;) |
| 19:27:00 | BigBoss | I'm wodering if it is browser related since it happens so rarely, and only with quantities of 12 and over |
| 19:27:18 | chouimat | xml0: which browser? |
| 19:27:23 | xml0 | mozilla |
| 19:27:34 | BigBoss | god, mozilla is such a pain |
| 19:27:43 | xml0 | never been for me |
| 19:27:47 | kergoth | how is mozilla a pain? |
| 19:27:50 | BigBoss | it has a wealth of bugs |
| 19:27:51 | xml0 | what's the alternative, netscape? |
| 19:27:56 | BigBoss | netscape uses mozilla |
| 19:27:58 | chouimat | knoqy |
| 19:28:00 | BigBoss | opera or konqueror |
| 19:28:08 | kergoth | the only pages i have probs with in mozilla are pages that arent standards compliant |
| 19:28:12 | kergoth | opera makes pages look like shit |
| 19:28:14 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 19:28:16 | BigBoss | and then it depends on which version of mozilla |
| 19:28:16 | kergoth | cause i love it otherwise |
| 19:28:20 | BigBoss | opera works great for me |
| 19:28:31 | BigBoss | mozilla reports no files when browsing our ftp server |
| 19:28:31 | chouimat | links |
| 19:28:34 | kergoth | its javascript support is buggy as hell |
| 19:28:36 | BigBoss | all other browsers show it correctly |
| 19:28:37 | Neo|Work | mozilla is not filled with bugs. 99.9% of everything works fine with mzoilla |
| 19:28:49 | Neo|Work | the test is written for "msie only" or something stupid like that |
| 19:28:51 | BigBoss | some really obvious bugs - maybe they are fixed now |
| 19:28:53 | Cloudchaser | i have trouble with mozilla and downloading all the time |
| 19:29:08 | Cloudchaser | tries to open stuff |
| 19:29:11 | chouimat | Neo|Work: ok the ftp server is buggy |
| 19:29:13 | kergoth | i havent run into anything yet |
| 19:29:19 | kergoth | i generally use galeon or phoenix nowadays |
| 19:29:20 | BigBoss | maybe the most current version of mozilla is more stable |
| 19:29:26 | xml0 | what is your ftp server? |
| 19:29:51 | Neo|Work | I also use phoenix these days |
| 19:30:51 | Cloudchaser | galeon crashed when i tried it..i'll look at phoenix |
| 19:31:30 | Neo|Work | phoenix is at version 0.3 so be warned. it's not to be considered stable |
| 19:31:38 | Neo|Work | but it's very much like mozilla but faster |
| 19:31:49 | chouimat | kergoth: which phoenix version? 0.3 or nightly build? |
| 19:32:02 | BigBoss | nothing ever seems to be considered stable :) |
| 19:32:11 | BigBoss | I'm pretty frustrated with all browsers at this point |
| 19:32:22 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: phoenix was started like a few weeks ago (well, first released that is) |
| 19:32:34 | chouimat | BigBoss: stable for computer software is an oxymoron |
| 19:32:40 | chouimat | :) |
| 19:33:23 | BigBoss | yea, I've been watching this PHoenix project |
| 19:33:32 | BigBoss | what originally attracted me to Opera years ago was how lite it was |
| 19:33:45 | kergoth | same here |
| 19:34:44 | chouimat | where are phoenix sources? |
| 19:34:48 | BigBoss | IE was actually pretty usable there for a while, now it's started to turn to crap again |
| 19:35:04 | Speedy2 | re |
| 19:35:06 | chouimat | BigBoss: I can't use IE 6 with my bank |
| 19:35:09 | treke | chouimat: mozilla.org |
| 19:35:26 | chouimat | treke: I'm on it but only bin packages |
| 19:35:54 | treke | chouimat: I believe you just get the mozilla source |
| 19:36:10 | Neo|Work | chouimat: perhaps just cvs? |
| 19:36:10 | BigBoss | hey speedy2 |
| 19:36:18 | Neo|Work | treke: nono, it's not just the mozilla source. :P |
| 19:36:20 | Speedy2 | Hi BigBoss! |
| 19:36:23 | treke | # |
| 19:36:23 | treke | Okay, so where's the phoenix source? |
| 19:36:23 | treke | cvs.mozilla.org. Mozilla trunk + mozilla/browser + mozilla/toolkit. |
| 19:36:39 | Speedy2 | "I'm big boss, I am the chief" -- Apache. |
| 19:36:57 | kergoth | apache, i need to get some of their stuff |
| 19:36:58 | kergoth | giFT's |
| 19:37:00 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 19:37:06 | Speedy2 | Yo kergoth. |
| 19:37:22 | Speedy2 | Sugar Hill Gang. |
| 19:37:51 | Neo|Work | I don't know where it is but it doesn't looked pacakged |
| 19:37:55 | kergoth | jump on it, jump on it |
| 19:37:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:38:03 | Speedy2 | Heheh :) |
| 19:38:21 | tux_mike | you guys seel the latest /. poll? 59 people picked Qtopia Desktop |
| 19:39:19 | treke | obviosuly people who have never used it |
| 19:39:41 | BigBoss | 59 out of how many? |
| 19:39:50 | wParam | 3400 |
| 19:39:57 | oGMo | haha |
| 19:40:12 | oGMo | unfortunately, they didn't put qtopia... that'd be my choice |
| 19:40:17 | wParam | text files is in the lead with 974 people |
| 19:40:17 | xml0 | probably code-red |
| 19:40:30 | xml0 | accidentally mis-identified |
| 19:40:37 | oGMo | i picked emacs since that's what i use on the desktop |
| 19:40:38 | tux_mike | i don't like QD, personally |
| 19:40:40 | treke | whatver tkc wrote isnt on the list :) |
| 19:40:46 | tux_mike | i like evolution :) |
| 19:40:50 | tux_mike | sorry bigboss :) |
| 19:40:54 | treke | nor is evolution |
| 19:40:58 | hash | is away: getting ready for work |
| 19:41:09 | BigBoss | well I don't like Outlook, so I assume I won't like Evolution |
| 19:41:11 | kergoth | picked text files |
| 19:41:22 | rikkus | picked text files |
| 19:41:24 | rikkus | hehe |
| 19:41:27 | BigBoss | can Qtopia Desktop be considered a PIM? |
| 19:41:27 | xml0 | is going nuts |
| 19:41:29 | oGMo | even korganizer isn't on the list and that's fairly major |
| 19:41:30 | rikkus | and it seems to be first |
| 19:41:34 | tux_mike | i picked cowboy neal |
| 19:41:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:41:46 | xml0 | ok, I printed it out, but the credit card number doesn't fully show |
| 19:41:46 | BigBoss | more people use KOrganizer than Qtopia Desktop? |
| 19:41:49 | oGMo | BigBoss: if you like a shitty barebones one ;) |
| 19:41:51 | wParam | picked text files too |
| 19:42:01 | BigBoss | xml0: just hand write it on then |
| 19:42:09 | BigBoss | the fax is my direct fax - I'm the only one that gets it |
| 19:42:40 | xml0 | I love e-commerce |
| 19:43:06 | xml0 | not that I'm paranoid, but can you point me to somewhere on your web site with that fax number on it? |
| 19:43:10 | Neo|Work | <BigBoss> Let's see this dude mail his ccard to this fax multiplexer.... |
| 19:43:26 | BigBoss | 949-713-4846 |
| 19:43:46 | xml0 | well, yes, but |
| 19:44:44 | xml0 | my day job is security, so sending cc numbers to a fax machine listed on irc isn't exactly due-diligence |
| 19:45:15 | xml0 | perhaps you could at least /msg me something that only you know about me? |
| 19:45:17 | noda | lol |
| 19:45:22 | BigBoss | how is having the number a problem? |
| 19:45:27 | BigBoss | someone's gonna tap my line? |
| 19:45:48 | treke | xml0: http://www.thekompany.com/about/contact.php3 |
| 19:45:51 | chouimat | BigBoss: shhhhh! I tap you line, took weeks to pass cable to Quebec City |
| 19:45:52 | treke | its on the page |
| 19:45:55 | Neo|Work | I'm guessing his problem is that he can't trust that the fax is actually what you claim it is |
| 19:46:33 | xml0 | or that I can't necessarily know that an irc nick is exactly a certificate of identity |
| 19:46:46 | Neo|Work | yay. First time ever _I_ am contacted to make a game port rather than me contacting someone |
| 19:47:09 | treke | - Sharp SL-5000D/5500/A300 Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ | http:/ |
| 19:47:09 | treke | <Neo|Work> <BigBoss> Let's see this dude mail his ccard to this fax |
| 19:47:09 | treke | multiplexer.... |
| 19:47:09 | treke | <BigBoss> 949-713-4846 |
| 19:47:09 | treke | <xml0> well, yes, but |
| 19:47:12 | treke | <xml0> my day job is security, so sending cc numbers to a fax machine listed |
| 19:47:14 | treke | on irc isn't exactly due-diligence |
| 19:47:17 | treke | <xml0> perhaps you could at least /msg me something that only you know about |
| 19:47:19 | treke | me? |
| 19:47:22 | treke | <noda> lol |
| 19:47:24 | treke | <BigBoss> how is having the number a problem? |
| 19:47:27 | treke | <BigBoss> someone's gonna tap my line? |
| 19:47:29 | treke | <treke> xml0: http://www.thekompany.com/about/contact.php3 |
| 19:47:32 | treke | <treke> its on the page |
| 19:47:34 | xml0 | treke: thanks |
| 19:47:34 | numatrix | Neo|Work: soon you'll be beating them off like flies. |
| 19:47:34 | treke | <chouimat> BigBoss: shhhhh! I tap you line, took weeks to pass cable to Quebec |
| 19:47:37 | treke | City |
| 19:47:40 | treke | <Neo|Work> I'm guessing his problem is that he can't trust that the fax is |
| 19:47:42 | treke | actually what you claim it is |
| 19:47:48 | BigBoss | treke: are you burping? |
| 19:47:49 | Neo|Work | treke: that MUST have been a mistake. :P |
| 19:47:56 | numatrix | Yeah, that was mildly obnoxious. |
| 19:48:04 | xml0 | thanks for the initial msg, not the flood... |
| 19:48:04 | chouimat | treke: stop that |
| 19:48:04 | rikkus | treke: making a backup ? |
| 19:48:07 | BigBoss | xml0: that fax number on the url listed, will match the one I gave you |
| 19:48:17 | chouimat | Neo|Work: lol |
| 19:48:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:48:20 | BigBoss | applauds neo |
| 19:48:21 | numatrix | waves buh-bye |
| 19:48:21 | xml0 | that was all I was asking for |
| 19:48:24 | noda | rikkus: lol |
| 19:48:41 | numatrix | NeoTron: what's the next big game out of the pipe? Anything soon? |
| 19:48:56 | BigBoss | sex wars |
| 19:49:04 | chouimat | Donkey Sex :) |
| 19:49:07 | tux_mike | big: how'd the last tkcmail beta go |
| 19:49:12 | tux_mike | Donkey! |
| 19:49:15 | Neo|Work | Hmm. Next games would be Hyperspace Delivery Boy, Dragon Bane 2 (RPG) and Motocross Stunt Racer |
| 19:49:18 | BigBoss | tux_mike: I'll let you know as soon as we have it |
| 19:49:22 | BigBoss | rikkus???? |
| 19:49:27 | Neo|Work | and one more that I don't have permission to announce yet |
| 19:49:30 | numatrix | Neo|Work: sweet; DB2? I played DB on the palm a ton. Great game. |
| 19:49:33 | treke | whoops. Sorry bout that :) |
| 19:49:35 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe |
| 19:49:41 | numatrix | drools over eongames.... |
| 19:49:41 | rikkus | BigBoss: yes? |
| 19:49:45 | Neo|Work | numatrix: indeed. It's a port of the pocketpc port of the palmos version |
| 19:49:46 | rikkus | oh |
| 19:50:00 | numatrix | Heh. Little bit of a stretch. Regardless, sounds good. |
| 19:50:03 | Neo|Work | it's kind of the trickiest port so far and it's moving relatively slowly |
| 19:50:03 | BigBoss | one of my friends from Loki works for Epic Games now- he is sending over UT2003 |
| 19:50:07 | chouimat | rikkus: the correct answer is: yes master? |
| 19:50:19 | rikkus | tux_mike: hey, don't mention tkcMail, I'm trying not to die right now while getting the release out |
| 19:50:21 | Neo|Work | the drawback is that the gfx is indeed scaled PalmOS gfx |
| 19:50:23 | rikkus | chouimat: oh, indeed |
| 19:50:31 | treke | Neo|Work: icky |
| 19:50:31 | tux_mike | a port of a port, eh |
| 19:50:36 | Neo|Work | of course the type of game doesnt' suffer greatly from it |
| 19:50:43 | tux_mike | rikkus: bah. :) |
| 19:50:49 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: yeah. I'd rather not port PalmOS stuff from scratch |
| 19:50:54 | JasonNJ | neo: which port is this? |
| 19:51:06 | numatrix | JasonNJ: Dragon Bane 2. |
| 19:51:15 | tux_mike | from what i've heard palmos is very tricky to program in |
| 19:51:19 | BigBoss | anyone here use Visio or Kivio or a similar tool? |
| 19:51:26 | JasonNJ | its a port of a port of a port? |
| 19:51:48 | chouimat | BigBoss: Kivio |
| 19:51:57 | chouimat | BigBoss: xfig |
| 19:52:01 | DaJoker | BigBoss: I've used kivio and dia in the past |
| 19:52:10 | chouimat | forgot dia |
| 19:52:12 | BigBoss | ok, we are doing some massive updates to Kivio |
| 19:52:17 | tux_mike | ive used visio and a little of kivio in the past |
| 19:52:21 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: no, it's a port of a port |
| 19:52:22 | BigBoss | we are working on Visio import/export right now |
| 19:52:32 | DaJoker | ooooh.. nice |
| 19:52:34 | Neo|Work | I'm porting the PPC port of the PalmOS game |
| 19:52:48 | BigBoss | ok, but here is the really wild thing - see what you think |
| 19:53:03 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: Vogel ? |
| 19:53:05 | BigBoss | a collaborative version of Kivio that would allow multiple people to work on a diagram at the same time |
| 19:53:14 | BigBoss | Neo|Work: yes |
| 19:53:33 | Neo|Work | with some definition of "works for" it could have been Ryan too |
| 19:53:46 | tux_mike | bb: a cunningly stealthy ruse :) sounds like if people catch wind, kivio could be a killer :) |
| 19:53:48 | BigBoss | yea |
| 19:54:05 | BigBoss | we are almost done with NURBS support for objects and connectors |
| 19:54:26 | BigBoss | xml0: got your fax |
| 19:54:43 | rikkus | NURBS are good |
| 19:55:13 | tux_mike | NURBS? |
| 19:55:26 | rikkus | Non-Uniform Rational B-Splines |
| 19:55:36 | rikkus | or just 'splines' :) |
| 19:55:36 | tux_mike | k |
| 19:55:40 | xml0 | bigboss: wow, that fax went *so* smooth |
| 19:56:19 | tux_mike | gah. these midis are gonna choke my phone |
| 19:57:53 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 20:00:21 | chouimat | listens to Borknagar: liberated |
| 20:02:24 | Neo|Work | is away: food |
| 20:09:40 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:07:16) |
| 20:15:39 | BigBoss | here's our new web section |
| 20:15:40 | BigBoss | http://www.thekompany.com/about/bios/ |
| 20:16:11 | BigBoss | still filling it in |
| 20:17:20 | xml0 | 7 & 4. must be fun |
| 20:17:33 | xml0 | got a 2 year old and am still in awe |
| 20:19:15 | BigBoss | they are a hoot |
| 20:21:12 | | oz prerelease is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 20:21:12 | coup | ibot oz prerelease |
| 20:21:13 | Cloudchaser | very nice BigBoss |
| 20:21:51 | BigBoss | now if I can get all the Ukranians and the rest of the Romanians to get their's together |
| 20:21:55 | Cloudchaser | haha john dean: born before electricity |
| 20:23:03 | BigBoss | yea, that was my idea :) |
| 20:23:11 | BigBoss | he's a crusty old fart |
| 20:23:27 | BigBoss | was taken prisoner during the gulf war (worked for Aramco oil company in Kuwait) |
| 20:23:30 | BigBoss | got shot escaping |
| 20:24:10 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 20:24:24 | Cloudchaser | no photo of him or you |
| 20:24:36 | BigBoss | Iraq is supposed to be paying him as part of the UN resolution, but he only ever got one payment |
| 20:24:54 | BigBoss | I wanted to do a current picture, but I haven't shaved at all for a month now (working on something for halloween) |
| 20:24:58 | BigBoss | so I'll do one after that |
| 20:25:10 | Cloudchaser | haha we want to see your spooky halloween pic! |
| 20:25:13 | treke | theres one of him from an older interview |
| 20:25:34 | Cloudchaser | i saw one once a while back |
| 20:25:40 | treke | http://osnews.daemon.be/img/1592/shawn.jpg |
| 20:25:44 | BigBoss | yea, that was when I was doing my hair real short |
| 20:25:51 | BigBoss | i've grown it back out again |
| 20:26:07 | Cloudchaser | how long? it looks nice in that pic |
| 20:26:44 | chouimat | BigBoss: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/sister.jpg <- me with my brother and sister |
| 20:26:45 | mark | pony tail? :) |
| 20:27:18 | BigBoss | it's been years since I had a pony tail |
| 20:27:23 | BigBoss | just grown back out |
| 20:27:48 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/old/img/david_med_maskar.jpg |
| 20:27:55 | Neo|Work | Me eating ramen like 8 yrs ago or so |
| 20:29:36 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/old/img/neotron2.jpg |
| 20:29:51 | Neo|Work | cyber me 8 yrs ago or whatever. :P |
| 20:30:02 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: my hair line is a wee bit high for my tastes with the cropped hair :) |
| 20:30:43 | bipolar | kergoth: I just freshly flashed my zaurus, and now hancom works. :\ |
| 20:30:45 | Neo|Work | goes afk again |
| 20:30:48 | Neo|Work | is away: afk |
| 20:31:32 | chouimat | BigBoss: you still have hair :) |
| 20:32:03 | kergoth | bipolar: hah |
| 20:32:12 | mark | BigBoss: is progrock free? |
| 20:32:17 | BigBoss | apparently more than you :) |
| 20:32:23 | BigBoss | mark: the live365 stream is free |
| 20:32:34 | BigBoss | the audiorealm stream may or may not cost money, sort of depends on congress at this point |
| 20:32:49 | mark | BigBoss: ah right. i should have read that bit of text in the middle of the page :) |
| 20:32:51 | BigBoss | currently it's supposed to be $5 per month for all audiorealm stations (which is pretty reasonable) |
| 20:32:58 | BigBoss | but I don't think they really have it in place |
| 20:33:10 | BigBoss | right now you can bypass it by entering the url directly |
| 20:33:12 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe |
| 20:33:23 | BigBoss | http://12.151.57.46:8380/ |
| 20:33:35 | xml0 | anyone looked at minifonts.com? z fonts aren't exactly ideal... |
| 20:33:40 | BigBoss | we aren't doing it to make money, but we'd also prefer to not loose lots of money :) |
| 20:33:48 | chouimat | BigBoss: your private stream? |
| 20:33:54 | kergoth | xml0: opie supports freetype/ttf's now :) |
| 20:34:10 | Harlekin | kergoth: which should not be used |
| 20:34:16 | BigBoss | no, that is the audiorealm stream, but bypassing the audiorealm front end |
| 20:34:20 | mark | BigBoss: do i use xxms for this or what? |
| 20:34:26 | kergoth | Harlekin: why not? it works, just not in the launcher |
| 20:34:30 | BigBoss | not sure how long that will keep available though |
| 20:34:39 | BigBoss | mark: use whatever you want that plays streaming audio |
| 20:34:45 | xml0 | kergoth: I've only had the zaurus 3 days; need a bit of time to settle before I do anything radicle |
| 20:34:45 | Harlekin | kergoth: yeah, and allocs the mem for _each_ open app again |
| 20:34:50 | kergoth | Harlekin: hah |
| 20:34:55 | xml0 | ^cle^cal |
| 20:34:55 | BigBoss | I use winamp on windows, starting to use our tkcRadio now - we are an X11 version we are testing |
| 20:34:56 | Harlekin | kergoth: give TT a hug for that |
| 20:35:41 | chouimat | BigBoss: the X11 released? |
| 20:36:01 | xml0 | anyone know if there's any way to control/disable zaurus flashing? |
| 20:36:06 | BigBoss | chouimat: we're testing it at the moment |
| 20:36:14 | BigBoss | some things are different than on the Zaurus |
| 20:36:16 | mark | BigBoss: ah working, nice |
| 20:36:31 | BigBoss | cool, I like Jadis |
| 20:36:40 | BigBoss | if you go to www.progrock.com/samweb/ you can make requests |
| 20:36:49 | mark | BigBoss: is this like your personal music collection or what? |
| 20:36:52 | xml0 | allowing only signed rom images would be a good start |
| 20:38:19 | wParam | why would you only want to allow signed rom images? (signed by whom?) |
| 20:38:42 | xml0 | signed by me |
| 20:38:54 | xml0 | so if I lose my zaurus nobody can read my data |
| 20:39:06 | kergoth | xml0: ? |
| 20:39:10 | kergoth | xml0: they could turn it on |
| 20:39:13 | kergoth | and run the app |
| 20:39:24 | kergoth | a signed rom image would prevent *flashing*, not reading |
| 20:39:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:39:43 | xml0 | yes, but other protections could prevent reading |
| 20:39:52 | kergoth | so do it |
| 20:39:56 | kergoth | its open source, have fun |
| 20:39:57 | kergoth | ;) |
| 20:39:58 | xml0 | providing they can't bypass the apps by reflashing by just sticking a CF card in |
| 20:41:07 | wParam | did you guys have to modify the kernel at all to make the root filesystem writable in OZ? Or is it as simple as just mounting it rw? |
| 20:41:12 | bipolar | man.... aqpkg sure crashes alot |
| 20:41:18 | treke | xml0: Once they flash the rom the data is going to be gone |
| 20:41:42 | chouimat | wParam: it's jffs2 not cramfs |
| 20:42:08 | mark | brb |
| 20:42:14 | kergoth | wParam: we use a different mtd driver |
| 20:42:20 | kergoth | wParam: and use a jffs2 filesystem |
| 20:42:54 | wParam | ah, ok. I was just wondering, there are a few things I'd like to change about the sharp rom |
| 20:43:07 | chouimat | damn! phoenix take time to compile |
| 20:43:57 | kergoth | wParam: thats how oz started |
| 20:44:07 | kergoth | wParam: as a few things i hated about the sharp rom |
| 20:44:24 | wParam | hmm. cool |
| 20:45:55 | ShawnG | crap, little 30 second power failure |
| 20:45:59 | _clf3_ | did anyone get 'Bus error' while running nmap on zaurus ? |
| 20:46:00 | kergoth | i ahte that |
| 20:54:19 | mark | BigBoss: do all live365 stations use the same port |
| 21:05:34 | BigBoss | mark; i don't know |
| 21:06:50 | mark | BigBoss: okay. firewalls are a pain :) |
| 21:07:02 | BigBoss | yes they are |
| 21:07:12 | BigBoss | we've just been discussing that for some more features we want to add to jabber |
| 21:07:40 | mark | heh |
| 21:10:26 | mark | gah i really should sort out my ~ |
| 21:11:02 | treke | mark: why bother, it will just get unorganized again :) |
| 21:11:23 | mark | treke: yeh, true, but this is just rididculous :) |
| 21:11:35 | ZapGadget | open irc.openprojects.net |
| 21:11:49 | treke | ZapGadget: no need. your already here |
| 21:11:54 | mark | treke: stuff from years ago |
| 21:12:12 | treke | sorts once a month |
| 21:12:17 | kergoth | my ~ is still organized |
| 21:12:19 | kergoth | its weird |
| 21:12:32 | tux_mike | how rare |
| 21:12:39 | mark | kergoth: how do you have it? |
| 21:12:39 | tux_mike | mine's getting a bit messy |
| 21:13:13 | mark | finds 10 initrd*.bin's |
| 21:13:16 | kergoth | mark: ~/dl contains sources and tarballs and everything else i dl, /usr/local/audio contains my music, ~/docs/ contains text files of all sorts, and /usr/src/coding/ contains all my codign projects |
| 21:13:38 | mark | I see |
| 21:13:52 | ZapGadget | oops! typed in the wrong tab - but the names look familar from OpenZauris so I must be in the right place anyway |
| 21:14:21 | kergoth | pretty much nails most things. theres only a couple things that dont fit into one of those areas and end up in ~/ |
| 21:14:24 | mark | kergoth: i'll try something like that |
| 21:14:39 | mark | has about 910 things in / |
| 21:14:50 | mark | ~/ |
| 21:15:24 | mark | kergoth: what about ~/pron? |
| 21:16:38 | oGMo | killefiz. |
| 21:16:53 | kergoth | mark: /usr/local/video/pron, /usr/local/images/pron, /usr/local/audio/pron. you get the idea |
| 21:17:00 | mark | hehe :) |
| 21:17:19 | tux_mike | my ~ is about 2G |
| 21:17:31 | mark | i dont know what half of this tuff is :( |
| 21:17:41 | treke | ~ starts ballooning up when you use vmware :) |
| 21:17:42 | oGMo | started to wonder how you got 2G on your Z |
| 21:17:53 | killefiz | oGMo: how can I help you? |
| 21:17:56 | mark | 'digitaltwiglight1.01.zip' |
| 21:18:26 | tux_mike | oh, you mean on the Z? bah, i got nothing there, i reference off my network for that :) |
| 21:18:33 | oGMo | killefiz: oh, i was just gonna say, i checked out your stylesheet in great depth and have come to the conclusion nothing is wrong on either end... it just looks grey and yellow here |
| 21:18:58 | oGMo | i've been meaning to tell you that for weeks since i last asked about it |
| 21:19:17 | killefiz | oGMo: hmm ... tried a different browser? |
| 21:19:22 | oGMo | killefiz: yeah |
| 21:19:27 | oGMo | i checked the colors in gimp |
| 21:19:55 | oGMo | er, actually this one tk demo, close enough ;) |
| 21:20:16 | oGMo | anyway back to coding ;) |
| 21:21:01 | killefiz | oGMo: well - i still hope to update zsi to the new codebase by shayde soon |
| 21:21:15 | oGMo | killefiz: ah, cool |
| 21:21:52 | oGMo | will look forward to it as i visit zsi at least once a day ;) |
| 21:22:10 | mark | BigBoss: gah, they all use different ports |
| 21:22:40 | killefiz | oGMo: yeah - me too ;) |
| 21:22:59 | oGMo | killefiz: hehehe |
| 21:27:38 | | wireless is probably The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 21:27:38 | djk | ibot wireless |
| 21:33:06 | Cloudchaser | so we get the sharp newsletter today and its touting the Sharp Mobile services.. wonder if it works well yet |
| 21:33:43 | ljp_work | heh |
| 21:34:00 | Cloudchaser | i wonder what email client its using ;) |
| 21:37:38 | ljp_work | mutt |
| 21:37:54 | kergoth | i love mutt |
| 21:38:21 | treke | everyone does |
| 21:39:53 | zecke | Schlamn Wrestling |
| 21:46:31 | Cloudchaser | hello BZFlag |
| 22:01:12 | tux_mike | grumbles at those who use reply to start new threads |
| 22:01:34 | kergoth | tux_mike: i *hate* that |
| 22:02:09 | tux_mike | kergoth: just like html mail on a ML |
| 22:02:18 | tux_mike | so much evil in the world |
| 22:02:21 | kergoth | those just end up in my spam folder |
| 22:02:23 | kergoth | so i dont mind those |
| 22:02:24 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:02:58 | tux_mike | but, yes, those who reply to start new threads should be dragged out into the alley and shot for their laziness |
| 22:07:01 | scaredNewbie40 | Uum, I have an SL5000D and a SuSE 8.0 desktop. I have managed, I think, to get SuSE to see the Z by adding the USBD driver, I think, but cannot get the Z to see the network. The ROM version is 1.5.0, 23/10/2001, so I think I need to flash it with a new ROM, but I cab't figure out how to write to the CF card in the Z. Any clues? |
| 22:07:45 | kergoth | 'see the network' <-define |
| 22:09:00 | TDT | Hey all, any good HOW-TOs on getting JAVA to work in the zaurus |
| 22:09:08 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:09:14 | kergoth | jeode is included by default |
| 22:09:17 | noda | TDT: It just comes with it working. |
| 22:09:19 | kergoth | there isnt anything to make work |
| 22:09:42 | Twiun | He means developing ON the Z... I take it the french wasn't right for you? |
| 22:09:47 | TDT | I mean to be able to compile JAVA stuff |
| 22:10:05 | Twiun | kergoth: Genepi made a french howto - I still have to translate it ;-) |
| 22:10:24 | tux_mike | compile stuff on any machine |
| 22:11:50 | TDT | I'm not good with french..but I really want to get it to work. |
| 22:12:06 | TDT | I like developing stuff, and to use my zaurus for more than a PDA style thing would be nice. |
| 22:12:20 | TDT | I went to the HOWTO site, and that was not as helpful on developing as I like. |
| 22:12:27 | scaredNewbie40 | 'see the network' : setting>>network>> gives nothing under current. services gives only LAN- TCP/IP and dial-up PPP, no mention of USB |
| 22:12:36 | kergoth | scaredNewbie40: ? |
| 22:12:42 | kergoth | scaredNewbie40: what rom? |
| 22:12:49 | kergoth | scaredNewbie40: can you ping the desktop? |
| 22:12:51 | Twiun | TDT: I won't be able to get it translated until this weekend, so you're going to have to wait or muddle on |
| 22:12:53 | scaredNewbie40 | 1.5 |
| 22:12:56 | kergoth | scaredNewbie40: 1.5? |
| 22:12:56 | scaredNewbie40 | No |
| 22:13:08 | kergoth | scaredNewbie40: there is no 1.5. |
| 22:13:16 | tux_mike | tdt: you are gonna have to use another machine to input anything but extremly short .java files, so, why not just compile it there? |
| 22:13:23 | scaredNewbie40 | 1.5.0 Built 23/10/2001 |
| 22:13:33 | kergoth | scaredNewbie40: thats qtopia version, not rom version. |
| 22:13:36 | kergoth | scaredNewbie40: what rom? |
| 22:13:48 | Twiun | tux_mike: it's nice to be able to tweak an already existing program on the Z itself (whilst commuting to work for instance) |
| 22:14:09 | Twiun | I certainly wouldn't develop a whole new one on there |
| 22:14:14 | scaredNewbie40 | 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embed ? |
| 22:14:19 | kergoth | scaredNewbie40: thats kernel version. |
| 22:14:24 | kergoth | scaredNewbie40: read the sysinfo tab. |
| 22:14:33 | Twiun | has to get back to some work... |
| 22:15:47 | tux_mike | scaredNewbie: afaik there is no need to setup the USB networking on the Zaurus. |
| 22:16:37 | scaredNewbie40 | System Info>>Version only gives qtopia and kernel versions. It is the Rom that came with. |
| 22:16:42 | TDT | tux_mike: because i'm not always by a large computer :) |
| 22:17:13 | tux_mike | tdt: bah. :) java is poop anyway :) |
| 22:17:33 | TDT | tux_mike: everyone has their likes/dislikes. |
| 22:17:50 | TDT | tux_mike: I like C++ mostly, which I don't think I can do on the zaurus. |
| 22:18:03 | TheMasterMind1 | um? |
| 22:18:04 | TheMasterMind1 | why not? |
| 22:18:09 | tux_mike | you could. but you need a lot of storage space |
| 22:18:24 | TDT | How much are we talking about? |
| 22:19:27 | tux_mike | i'd venture to guess at least 256M dedicated, if not 512M |
| 22:19:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ....? |
| 22:19:57 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf are you talking about |
| 22:19:57 | TDT | dang, I wouldn't think a cpp compiler and libraries would require so much |
| 22:20:04 | tux_mike | C++ compiler on the z |
| 22:20:28 | TDT | I don't think gcc on this linux system takes up that much space |
| 22:21:08 | noda | Why not just cross-compile like everyone else does? |
| 22:21:19 | TDT | noda: cross compile is? |
| 22:22:23 | TheMasterMind1 | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/gcc/gcc_Zinstall.html |
| 22:22:26 | TheMasterMind1 | like that? |
| 22:22:33 | tux_mike | keep in mind, you need the gcc, g++, cpp, etc binaries, all the support libs, all the kernel and glibc headers, all the libstc++ headers, all the libstc++ libraries, all the libraries and headers that you wanna link to. that's a lot |
| 22:22:38 | TheMasterMind1 | Requirements: You will need about 20 Mbyte of flash -- or about 14 Mbyte if you forgo C++. You will need an appropriate unzipper to unpack the files. To unpack on the Z, that means the Info unzip for arm available separately on the sourceforge zaurus web site. |
| 22:22:50 | tux_mike | that's it? |
| 22:22:55 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: you updating the requirements for buildroot? |
| 22:23:00 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: no |
| 22:23:03 | TheMasterMind1 | this is difference |
| 22:23:03 | prpplague | oh |
| 22:23:06 | tux_mike | including all kernel headers and support librares? |
| 22:23:07 | TheMasterMind1 | compiler on the Z |
| 22:23:42 | prpplague | oh, on the z |
| 22:23:53 | TDT | Sounds interesting. I wouldn't mind working with this some. |
| 22:24:01 | noda | TDT: cross-compiling means you compile it on your computer and run it on the Z. That's how everyone else does it most of the time :) |
| 22:24:14 | | xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 22:24:14 | noda | ibot xcompile |
| 22:24:30 | noda | (that's a precompiled cross-compiler for linux) |
| 22:24:40 | scared40 | Just read: if Rom version not shown you are using 1.0.2 and really should upgrade. |
| 22:25:46 | TDT | noda: how would someone work with QT if you compile on a main machine and copy over? |
| 22:25:50 | tux_mike | 8uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunhuuuuuuuu;kunh]0-/ |
| 22:26:01 | tux_mike | my cat has learned to type |
| 22:26:09 | tux_mike | just not tangebly |
| 22:26:19 | noda | TDT: That's what the toolchain's for. It's a pain when learning but you get the hang of it :) |
| 22:27:07 | TDT | noda: sounds extremely complicated. Is there a howto that I can copy to my zip disk, along with all necessary binaries so I can do this at home? |
| 22:28:10 | TheMasterMind1 | blows up |
| 22:29:07 | noda | TDT: Dunno, never personally got the hang of it. Just did a hello world then gave up. |
| 22:29:21 | Harlekin | sweeps TheMasterMind1s pieces together |
| 22:31:04 | TDT | noda: ah ok. I wish I had internet at home lol. |
| 22:31:24 | scared40 | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/system.php3 says I cannot prepare a CF ROM image though the Z in its USB cradle, is this true? Do I need to buy a CF writer? |
| 22:31:29 | noda | *wince* tdt: Absolutely no hope for you then :) |
| 22:31:51 | noda | scared40: No, that's not true. But you should get a writer in case things go wrong (they did for me once) |
| 22:31:53 | TDT | lol, I wish I did...I just moved, and I won't go to dial up. |
| 22:32:04 | TDT | I want cable/DSL, both which aren't here now...but are coming soon. |
| 22:32:19 | noda | Just hook yourself up with some free dialup until then, no? :) |
| 22:32:21 | scared40 | noda: if not true how do I do it? (Suse 8.0) |
| 22:32:51 | TDT | noda: I should...dunno though. I've had instant internet for so long, it would be a mess for me to get everything working. |
| 22:32:51 | noda | scared40: Just scp it onto the Zaurus... or ftp it, or put it on an http server on your computer and download to the zaurus... there a zillions of ways :) |
| 22:33:01 | noda | TDT: I know how you feel :) |
| 22:33:33 | TDT | Well, I downloaded that compiler package...and will untar it into the required directory. |
| 22:33:46 | TDT | noda: do you know if tar will unzip that, or do I need another un-zipper? |
| 22:33:47 | scared40 | noda: the point is that I have a 1.0.2 ROM which doesn't have USB networking, so I cannot connect to it, or so I think |
| 22:34:15 | noda | TDT: Tar will unzip it. |
| 22:34:33 | noda | scared40: Oh, ick! Erm... dunno then, guess you need cf. |
| 22:34:44 | noda | I started with my Z well above 1.0.2, didn't know things were so bad back then :) |
| 22:34:47 | TDT | noda: ok good...do you know if this will compile QT things? |
| 22:35:05 | noda | TDT: It will, but I think you have to compile qt with it first :P |
| 22:35:12 | noda | TDT: I really forget :) |
| 22:35:26 | noda | I just know that it's possible :P |
| 22:35:27 | scared40 | noda: thanks, looks like I need to stop now and get a CF writer |
| 22:35:39 | noda | scared40: It's a worthwhile investment :) |
| 22:35:46 | TDT | noda: is there a way to just develop it on my main machine, then run it on the zaurus? |
| 22:36:06 | noda | TDT: Yes, that's what I'm talking about... |
| 22:36:35 | TDT | noda: ah ok...hmm...*sigh* maybe I can just compile, transfer and try running...it's a messy way to debug an application. |
| 22:36:44 | noda | TDT: But really, don't expect just my nonexistent knowledge and the one tarball convince you - I really don't know how to make it work :) |
| 22:37:12 | TDT | noda: lol...i'll have to see what can be done. I really want to develop for the zaurus, that's why I got it. |
| 22:37:39 | TDT | If I couldn't develop for the zaurus, and I wanted a regular PDA, I would have bought one cheaper...but I like developing things :) |
| 22:37:55 | Harlekin | get a laptop |
| 22:38:03 | TDT | Harlekin: I have one. |
| 22:38:44 | TDT | Harlekin: There are places where a laptop is to much a mess to carry around. I like being able to open this thing up, edit some lines of code before a class, or while I'm waiting for something, then turn it back off. |
| 22:38:52 | Harlekin | libretto |
| 22:38:55 | TDT | Harlekin: hardly possible to do that with a laptop. |
| 22:38:57 | Harlekin | sony u16 |
| 22:39:15 | tux_mike | Toshiba Libretto L5 |
| 22:39:43 | TDT | I have no intention of getting another box lol...this thing will do well enough, as long as I can figure out how to do it. |
| 22:39:54 | TDT | How do you run java programs, there is no "java" command. |
| 22:40:18 | Burner23 | TDT maybe you need to install it. |
| 22:40:20 | TDT | not compile, but run. |
| 22:40:29 | tux_mike | tdt: it's like evm or something |
| 22:40:42 | tux_mike | not all jvms are named java :) |
| 22:40:57 | TDT | tux_mike: evm is it, ty. |
| 22:41:53 | Burner23 | java is Java And Virtual Anarchy ... |
| 22:42:04 | Burner23 | recursion :) |
| 22:42:25 | ToyKeeper | I've hardly turned off my Z since getting X11 and familiar to work on it. |
| 22:43:22 | wParam | ToyKeeper: do you still go into QT at all on it? |
| 22:44:06 | ToyKeeper | No. |
| 22:44:17 | ToyKeeper | I rm -rf'd /opt |
| 22:44:36 | wParam | haha ok. I had some issues with suspend in QT after i installed x |
| 22:44:59 | wParam | was wondering if you had the same problem/found a workaround |
| 22:45:07 | ToyKeeper | Well, I'm not just switching from opie to x11. Also from openzaurus to familiar. |
| 22:45:33 | Harlekin | pour soul |
| 22:45:38 | wParam | aah. i'm still using the sharp rom |
| 22:45:42 | Harlekin | familiar is in really bad shape currently |
| 22:45:50 | wParam | i think the x11 touch screen daemon was messing it up |
| 22:45:54 | TDT | There was a site that had a lot of freeware zaurus applications, does anyone remember that site off hand? |
| 22:45:56 | ToyKeeper | Well, yeah. It's more unstable than usual right now. |
| 22:46:03 | mark | TDT: killefiz.de/zaurus? |
| 22:46:10 | TDT | mark, i'll try it |
| 22:46:33 | TDT | mark: that's it, thx |
| 22:47:11 | mark | TDT: no probs |
| 22:47:18 | ToyKeeper | But I've been using familiar on an ipaq for a year or so, and it's pretty easy to work around the instabilities it gets from time to time. |
| 22:48:23 | ToyKeeper | Great platform for python/gtk experimentns. |
| 22:59:50 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 23:05:41 | hardwire | __ |
| 23:05:41 | hardwire | __ _____ ___ / _| |
| 23:05:41 | hardwire | \ \ /\ / / _ \ / _ \| |_ |
| 23:05:41 | hardwire | \ V V / (_) | (_) | _| |
| 23:05:41 | hardwire | \_/\_/ \___/ \___/|_| |
| 23:05:41 | hardwire | |
| 23:06:25 | badalex|bbl | is away: movie |
| 23:07:16 | jbardin | great... |
| 23:08:22 | noda | Moo! |
| 23:10:05 | prpplague | poo |
| 23:10:48 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. |
| 23:11:07 | ToyKeeper | I was going to maybe release an initrd.bin for x11 use... |
| 23:11:35 | ToyKeeper | ... but I think I'm too lazy to fix the problems in it. |
| 23:11:40 | hardwire | broke his.. now its fixed.. I should be breaking it again shortly |
| 23:11:45 | ToyKeeper | And definitely too lazy to release on a regular basis. :) |
| 23:11:52 | hardwire | so update the feed |
| 23:11:53 | hardwire | :) |
| 23:12:00 | ToyKeeper | hardwire: you got that backup back, right? |
| 23:12:11 | hardwire | ToyKeeper: gimme my shane.img |
| 23:12:58 | ToyKeeper | Wow, this Z gets warm. |
| 23:13:08 | hardwire | quit rubbing it |
| 23:13:27 | ToyKeeper | I just need to take the wireless card out to make it cool off a bit. |
| 23:27:43 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: lol |
| 23:27:56 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: ya its a boat load of maintenance right now |
| 23:28:18 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 23:28:18 | Neo|Work | ibot zsi |
| 23:28:53 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 23:28:53 | Bovine | ibot show recent zsi |
| 23:28:53 | hardwire | 43just add some Z related stuffins to familiar |
| 23:28:58 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 23:28:58 | Bovine | ibot die |
| 23:41:53 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a long island |
| 23:41:53 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 23:41:56 | kergoth | w00t |
| 23:42:15 | Neo|Work | sugar how do you make long island |
| 23:42:15 | Sugar | Neo|Work: Ingredients for Long Island Ice Tea: 1/2 oz Vodka, 1/2 oz Gin, 1/2 oz Light Rum, 1/2 oz Tequila, Juice of 1/2 Lemon and 1 dash Cola |
| 23:42:16 | Sugar | Neo|Work: Combine ingredients and pour over ice in highball glass. Add cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon. |
| 23:42:39 | kergoth | actually, i prefer sour mix to the lemon juice |
| 23:42:43 | kergoth | but hey, matter of personal taste |
| 23:42:47 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 23:42:56 | Neo|Work | 1 dash of cola. heh |
| 23:43:04 | kergoth | heh. the cola is only for color |
| 23:43:05 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:43:20 | Neo|Work | and notice the bug where sugar combines cola and then adds additional "cola for color" |
| 23:43:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:43:31 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:43:36 | Neo|Work | sugar how do you make gargle |
| 23:43:37 | Sugar | Neo|Work: Ingredients for Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster: "the juice" from one bottle of Janx Spirit, a measureSantraginus V seawater, 3 cubes Arcturan Mega-Gin, 4 L Fallian marsh gas, a measure Qualactin Hypermint extract, the tooth of an Algolian Suntiger, Zamphuor and 1 olive |
| 23:43:37 | Sugar | Neo|Work: Pour "the juice" from one bottle of Janx Spirit in a towel. Pour in Santraginus V seawater. Melt in Arcturan Mega-Gin. Bubble Fallian marsh gas through it. Float Qualactin Hypermint extract off the back of a silver spoon. Drop in the tooth of an Algolian Suntiger. Sprinkle Zamphuor. Serve in a folded leaf, garnished with an olive. |
| 23:44:29 | Neo|Work | I can tell you this: took a significant amount of coding/testing to get the gargle blaster to work |
| 23:44:49 | kergoth | i bet :) |
| 23:45:57 | mark | what db is Sugar using for drinks? |
| 23:46:03 | Neo|Work | a html page |
| 23:46:10 | Neo|Work | don't know original source |
| 23:46:21 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/drinks.html |
| 23:47:10 | Neo|Work | sugar give me a molotov |
| 23:47:10 | Sugar | pours petrolium in a bottle, adds dish soap then tops with an oily rag and serves it to Neo|Work. |
| 23:47:18 | Neo|Work | yum! |
| 23:47:37 | mark | Neo|Work: ah i se |
| 23:48:06 | Neo|Work | mark: there's one app that parses that file into a format faster to load but otherwise it's the source |
| 23:48:58 | mark | are bartenders expected to know all these? |
| 23:49:13 | kergoth | mark: yep. but i've met a lot who didnt |
| 23:49:23 | kergoth | hates telling the bartender how to makes his drink |
| 23:49:51 | mark | kergoth: heh |
| 23:50:23 | Neo|Work | mark: that list isn't as far as I know complete |
| 23:50:31 | Neo|Work | on several occasions people ask for things not in it |
| 23:50:31 | mark | tall order (learning them all) |
| 23:50:35 | kergoth | no, its not |
| 23:50:39 | kergoth | i have a nice book here on drinks |
| 23:50:47 | kergoth | i love some of the drink names |
| 23:50:56 | kergoth | like i couldnt imagine actually ordering some of these |
| 23:51:06 | kergoth | i mean who walks up to a bartender and asks if he can have a russian pussy? |
| 23:51:07 | kergoth | lmao |
| 23:51:22 | mark | hehehehe |
| 23:53:23 | Neo|Work | "give the one of them russian pussies, willy!" |
| 23:53:26 | Neo|Work | s/the/me/ |
| 23:55:24 | mark | :) |
| 23:56:34 | mark | 'i'll be having a sex on the beach' |
| 23:59:55 | Neo|Work | 'get me a big red hooter!' |
