| 00:16:03 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 00:16:13 | Neo|Work | jbardin: watch your language there! ;-) |
| 00:17:17 | chouimat|tv | jbardin: I want a chick right now |
| 00:25:05 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:25:46 | mark | jbardin: this is a family channel :) |
| 00:26:51 | ljp | ya, I want my cat, too.. ;) |
| 00:27:09 | chouimat|tv | ljp: still gone? |
| 00:27:27 | ljp | well, kinda.. she got hit by a car |
| 00:27:52 | treke | calls for a moment of silence for ljps little debugger |
| 00:28:30 | chouimat|tv | ljp: mine is the dryer... with his blanket... just saw him going in there ... |
| 00:28:44 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:29:32 | chouimat|tv | ljp: it's hot in there so ... |
| 00:29:41 | | I am deeply CONCERNED and I want something GOOD for BREAKFAST! |
| 00:29:41 | chouimat|tv | ibot be zippy |
| 00:29:41 | Cloudchaser | oh ljp.. i'm so sorry bout your kitty ;( |
| 00:30:06 | ljp | oh, thank you cloud.. I am really bummed about her.. ;( |
| 00:30:16 | Cloudchaser | yeah i can imagine ;( |
| 00:30:34 | Cloudchaser | i would be too if that happened to my kitty |
| 00:30:54 | ljp | but there's others at the animal 'shelter' waiting ... |
| 00:32:54 | treke | misses having pets |
| 00:41:15 | ljp | misses having a pet also |
| 00:42:25 | Cloudchaser | you going to the shelter to get another one? |
| 00:42:32 | SmBJ | erm |
| 00:42:37 | SmBJ | ugh, wrong window |
| 00:43:53 | ljp | Cloudchaser: ya, save another life |
| 00:46:00 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 00:47:19 | Neo|Work | has 3 cats. |
| 00:47:52 | Neo|Work | two saved from shelters and one who decided to move in with us (guess: kitty abandoned and gone stray) |
| 00:48:21 | Neo|Work | he's a 15 pound cat with long fur. massive kitty (and he's not really fat either - just massive) |
| 00:49:00 | chouimat|tv | Neo|Work: my mother cat was 17 lbs no fat all muscles |
| 00:49:35 | Neo|Work | the biggest cats have a nominal weight for full grown males at about 20-22 lbs |
| 00:50:45 | chouimat|tv | Neo|Work: he bringed a crow once to my mother :) |
| 00:51:49 | Neo|Work | the biggest Milo (15 lbs cat) has brought us is a bunny |
| 00:52:49 | chouimat|tv | Neo|Work: and he genocided the squirrel near my mother house. |
| 00:57:02 | ljp | my cat ate moths |
| 00:57:47 | chouimat|tv | ljp: mine eat Doritos |
| 00:58:05 | Cloudchaser | mine eats tissues out of the box |
| 00:58:29 | ljp | tissues? thats twisted |
| 00:58:41 | Cloudchaser | haha yeah its really wierd |
| 00:58:58 | ljp | my cat used to drink from the toilet like a dog |
| 00:59:01 | chouimat|food | and french bread |
| 01:03:08 | Neo|Work | my cats DO drink from the toilet |
| 01:03:11 | Neo|Work | at least two of them do |
| 01:03:39 | chouimat|food | Neo|Work: mine like to come in the shower with me |
| 01:04:06 | Neo|Work | one of ours drinks from the shower after we're done but he doesn't like to be wet |
| 01:04:31 | Neo|Work | an ex-cat of ours (she disappeared around x-mas, no idea what happened) used to take baths with us when she was a kitten |
| 01:04:38 | Neo|Work | but she grew out of that |
| 01:05:31 | badalex | is zsi down? |
| 01:06:14 | treke | nope |
| 01:06:22 | mark | badalex: no |
| 01:06:40 | badalex | why cant i conect to it... i just get this stupid www.ultimatesearch.com page instead... maybe its my prox |
| 01:07:04 | mark | wwooohhooo - just what i wanted! - http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=668 |
| 01:07:20 | badalex | wtf!... |
| 01:07:37 | badalex | ultimate search is taking over my life... |
| 01:10:22 | chouimat|food | mark: hehe |
| 01:28:56 | WingLover | that was quick |
| 01:29:12 | badalex|hw | yes he has a small load... |
| 01:29:36 | chouimat | virtual valerie don't work well under wine |
| 01:29:51 | badalex|hw | lol |
| 01:30:02 | chouimat | :) |
| 01:30:09 | badalex|hw | WingLover: j/k by the way i have now idea how "big" his load is... |
| 01:30:27 | chouimat | badalex|hw: huh?? |
| 01:30:47 | badalex|hw | ... nm |
| 01:31:24 | badalex|hw | chouimat: just kiddin man.... nothin |
| 02:51:29 | Speedy2 | re |
| 02:57:10 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 02:57:14 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:58:53 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth |
| 02:59:10 | kergoth | hi cloud |
| 02:59:12 | kergoth | how are ya |
| 02:59:29 | Cloudchaser | not great, and you? |
| 02:59:34 | kergoth | same |
| 03:00:02 | Cloudchaser | my husband is in virginia for 2 weeks |
| 03:00:11 | Cloudchaser | right in sniper territory |
| 03:00:18 | kergoth | ah shit |
| 03:00:43 | Cloudchaser | i'm sure he'll be fine but its still scary |
| 03:01:00 | ljp | ya, well.. my daughter lives around there.. she used to live in Bethesda, MD, Montgomery County |
| 03:01:07 | Cloudchaser | damn |
| 03:02:02 | Cloudchaser | not much in the way of jobs either...looks like monster.com doesn't clean off thier listings |
| 03:02:18 | Cloudchaser | can't believe some of these jobs are still open since august 30 |
| 03:02:49 | ljp | heh ya... _sure_ the economy is recovering.. uh humm... |
| 03:03:36 | ljp | some job places like that have cleared off the listing since 2001 |
| 03:04:05 | Cloudchaser | i'm doomed |
| 03:04:19 | hardwire | dooooomed |
| 03:04:27 | hardwire | doo doo doodoo dOOOOMED! |
| 03:04:50 | Cloudchaser | well you're not, hardwire :) you have a nice job it sounds like |
| 03:05:10 | hardwire | ljp has a daughter? |
| 03:05:19 | ljp | yup 12 years |
| 03:05:19 | kergoth | hardwire: bastard |
| 03:05:29 | hardwire | eh?! |
| 03:05:32 | hardwire | is not a bastard |
| 03:05:43 | hardwire | I am just motivated to be self employed and constantly poor |
| 03:05:43 | ljp | hardwires an amazon |
| 03:05:51 | hardwire | since them otivation is there.. I just don't care about the poor part |
| 03:06:03 | hardwire | has to mud wrestle every other night just to pay the billz! |
| 03:06:13 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 03:06:18 | Cloudchaser | i don't mind being poor per se |
| 03:06:20 | ljp | ewwwww.. |
| 03:06:25 | kergoth | hardwire: damn you and your motivation |
| 03:06:28 | kergoth | has no motivation |
| 03:06:28 | Cloudchaser | i mind moving to be that way |
| 03:07:25 | ljp | had motivation before he got stuck in a rut |
| 03:07:31 | hardwire | ljp has a daughter? |
| 03:07:33 | kergoth | ljp: my life is a rut |
| 03:07:55 | ljp | word wrap just fucks everything up |
| 03:08:08 | Cloudchaser | just like reality |
| 03:08:14 | ljp | well.. in qmultilineedit anyway |
| 03:08:20 | kergoth | reality is like word wrap? |
| 03:08:23 | kergoth | profound |
| 03:08:28 | ljp | heheh yes! |
| 03:08:34 | hardwire | heh |
| 03:08:38 | hardwire | drops the daughter talk |
| 03:08:47 | ljp | you dont know how many actual lines you have! |
| 03:08:48 | treke|home | hardwire: yeah she's a hottie |
| 03:08:53 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:09:07 | kergoth | ljp: and alignment is all fucked up |
| 03:09:11 | hardwire | is just drawn around ljp spawned |
| 03:09:28 | ljp | kicks qmultilineedit |
| 03:10:01 | ljp | kicks word wrap |
| 03:10:12 | treke|home | * QT kicks ljp |
| 03:10:27 | kergoth | kicks ljp too |
| 03:10:35 | treke|home | or would that be QKick(ljp); |
| 03:10:46 | Cloudchaser | my mom is at the hospital :( they think she broke her arm |
| 03:10:59 | treke|home | hopefully it heals |
| 03:11:03 | Cloudchaser | her husband had a defibrillator put in last week |
| 03:11:15 | Cloudchaser | like a pacemaker |
| 03:11:22 | Cloudchaser | not a good month for us |
| 03:11:35 | ljp | downloads War and Peace |
| 03:11:57 | treke|home | well. at least your alive |
| 03:12:03 | treke|home | could be worse |
| 03:12:07 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 03:12:15 | Cloudchaser | we're all alive so that is a good thing |
| 03:12:21 | kergoth | could always be worse, but that doesnt make it feel any better |
| 03:12:41 | ljp | ya. ._some_ creatures found out lately that they aren't alive anymore |
| 03:12:55 | treke|home | yup :( |
| 03:18:27 | ljp | kicks QValueList |
| 03:19:01 | Cloudchaser | poor mom's been in er for over 3 hours so far without seeing a doctor |
| 03:19:50 | ljp | ouch |
| 03:20:39 | Cloudchaser | ah she just got home! and is goign to call me |
| 03:20:41 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 03:21:03 | Cloudchaser | i'll cya all tomorrow |
| 03:21:24 | ljp | bye |
| 03:21:35 | Cloudchaser | bye ljp |
| 04:08:42 | chouimat|zzzz | night |
| 04:24:50 | brontos | Where can I find libdb.so.2 for my zaurus so that I can run apache on it? |
| 04:30:11 | Bones3D | hmm... did you install apache from an ipk file or some other source? |
| 04:30:52 | brontos | from ipk |
| 04:31:12 | brontos | it said I needed libdb.so.2 |
| 04:31:41 | Bones3D | hmm, strange you'd be missing a library file then. Last time I used it, it ran right off the bat. |
| 04:32:00 | brontos | which version did you get? |
| 04:32:08 | brontos | .19 or .24? |
| 04:32:31 | Bones3D | its been a while, but it's probably the earlier release |
| 04:32:35 | brontos | oh ok |
| 04:32:41 | brontos | thanks I will try it out |
| 04:32:47 | Bones3D | *nod* |
| 04:32:55 | Bones3D | boa is good too |
| 04:33:15 | kergoth | nanoweb is nifty as well |
| 04:33:18 | kergoth | its written in php |
| 04:33:20 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:34:03 | noda | It's like... it's crazy man! It goes 'round in circles.... it's in PHP but it PROVIDES PHP... it's... :) |
| 04:34:07 | noda | is tired. |
| 04:34:09 | noda | Must persist! |
| 04:34:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:37:15 | noda | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NOT the kind of thing you want to see when you're in a rush... |
| 04:37:20 | noda | AAH AAH AAH |
| 04:37:25 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:37:34 | noda | Firewall minus the fire and wall :) |
| 04:37:40 | kergoth | fun |
| 04:37:46 | kergoth | so thats NULL right? |
| 04:37:47 | noda | Oh, PHEW! |
| 04:37:48 | kergoth | :P |
| 04:37:57 | noda | ROFL - I was pinging from INSIDE the firewall :P |
| 04:38:11 | noda | God DAMN, I'm supposed to learn how to compile on Windows when I'm THIS idiotic? :) |
| 04:39:19 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:39:21 | kergoth | dood |
| 04:39:40 | kergoth | either 1) drink and do stupid things, or 2) sleep |
| 04:39:47 | kergoth | but do not 3) try to make things work |
| 04:39:47 | noda | No, this MUST be done :) |
| 04:40:02 | noda | And I can't sleep and have had a drink and it kinda got to me a little more than it should have. |
| 04:40:06 | noda | Oh yeah, I remember why - no supper :P |
| 04:40:11 | kergoth | sleep then |
| 04:40:14 | kergoth | sleep is goood |
| 04:40:14 | noda | And lunch was twelve hours ago... |
| 04:40:18 | noda | Nope! Must do this :) |
| 04:40:25 | kergoth | drinks his vodka sour |
| 04:40:31 | kergoth | SLEEP |
| 04:40:38 | noda | COMPILE :) |
| 04:40:46 | kergoth | bah |
| 04:40:57 | kergoth | geh another voice mail from my ex- |
| 04:41:00 | kergoth | jesus |
| 04:41:02 | kergoth | GO AWAY |
| 04:41:14 | noda | comforts kergoth |
| 04:50:08 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:50:12 | DaWorm | snipe her? |
| 04:51:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:51:15 | kergoth | no thanks |
| 04:51:59 | DaWorm | kergoth: when is oz 3 coming out? much much sooner? I can't wait to re-flash to oz again |
| 04:52:10 | kergoth | very very soon |
| 04:52:15 | kergoth | actually |
| 04:52:24 | kergoth | depending on a fix i havent tested |
| 04:52:26 | kergoth | i could release now |
| 04:52:36 | DaWorm | hrmmm |
| 04:52:37 | kergoth | but i'm going to drink more alcohol and collapse into bed and work on it tomorrow |
| 04:52:39 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:52:44 | DaWorm | argghhh |
| 04:52:51 | kergoth | besides |
| 04:52:56 | kergoth | openzaurus.org needs a bit of tweaking first |
| 04:53:03 | kergoth | and our new install guide needs to get pushed up there |
| 04:53:04 | DaWorm | you mean the website? |
| 04:53:11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:53:17 | DaWorm | maybe i can help? |
| 04:53:26 | kergoth | feel free |
| 04:53:29 | kergoth | submit faq entries |
| 04:53:31 | kergoth | n stuff |
| 04:54:04 | DaWorm | but its nice to see the new site |
| 04:55:03 | DaWorm | what is that fix that is keeping the release? |
| 04:55:13 | kergoth | networksetup was segfaulting |
| 05:00:35 | DaWorm | you're right, the faqs need more entries |
| 05:04:17 | jbardin | z0r |
| 05:04:24 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 23 hours, 31 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: see you later folks [Mon Oct 21 23:32:28 2002] |
| 05:04:24 | jbardin | ibot seen warmi |
| 05:06:29 | DaWorm | jbardin: are you the one who ported fce-u? |
| 05:08:54 | jbardin | DaWorm, well ported isnt quite the word, i managed to compile it for arm |
| 05:09:11 | jbardin | havy any thoughts for optimizations? |
| 05:09:16 | DaWorm | ah, goodie |
| 05:09:25 | DaWorm | well i haven't really checked out the src |
| 05:09:39 | DaWorm | but i get manageable framerates game-wise |
| 05:10:53 | jbardin | yea its not too shabby |
| 05:15:47 | gac76 | any thoughts on TKC software for Z? |
| 05:16:06 | badl | gac76: ask BigBoss when he is around ;) |
| 05:16:22 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 05:16:36 | gac76 | ok |
| 05:16:50 | DaWorm | BigBoss is the president of tkc |
| 05:16:52 | DaWorm | :D |
| 05:16:54 | gac76 | but seriosuly, i'm a student and i would like some robust apps for taking notes and tracking assingments |
| 05:16:58 | gac76 | and recs? |
| 05:17:10 | badl | gac76: taking notes... try IQNotes |
| 05:17:17 | DaWorm | IQNotes is awesome |
| 05:17:33 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 05:17:33 | badl | ibot search zsi for iqnotes |
| 05:17:33 | DaWorm | especially the new relese |
| 05:17:33 | kergoth | for quick notes, opie-notesapplet works great :) |
| 05:17:44 | badl | ohh ok ibot |
| 05:17:52 | kergoth | badl: ask it again |
| 05:17:59 | | IQNotes 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=168 |
| 05:17:59 | badl | ibot search zsi for iqnotes |
| 05:18:00 | kergoth | badl: second time always works |
| 05:18:03 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:18:19 | badl | water in the ears ;) |
| 05:18:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:19:29 | br33zy | im out of here |
| 06:20:03 | scanline | is away: Zzzzz..... |
| 06:55:59 | Starfishy | hello, I have a sharp zaurus sl-5500, and want to be able to use opie-remote. I've installed the app and it runs, but i'm having trouble getting the lirc packages setup. i installed the correct lirc & lirc-modules packages, and then did modprobe lirc-sir, but lircd complains about a missing device /dev/lirc |
| 06:56:04 | Starfishy | any help would be appreciated |
| 06:58:11 | Piete | weeeeeeeee!!!!!! It just arrived!! XD |
| 06:58:58 | DaWorm | hehehe congrats Puete |
| 06:58:59 | DaWorm | :D |
| 06:59:49 | Piete | thanks :) |
| 06:59:53 | Piete | man, it took so long :) |
| 07:10:47 | DaWorm | hrmm..playing fceu on console trashed qtopia |
| 07:10:48 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:10:55 | DaWorm | even with the -qws switch |
| 07:20:49 | NeoTron | of course qith -qws |
| 07:20:58 | NeoTron | then it tries to act as a second stand alone user of the console / input |
| 07:21:51 | DaWorm | well it wouldnt run in console without -qws in the first place, it was just an experiment..hehehe.. |
| 07:22:19 | NeoTron | is away: snooze |
| 08:41:00 | DaWorm | hmmm..this sure is weird |
| 09:02:05 | DaWorm | argghh |
| 09:02:14 | DaWorm | developer help! |
| 09:07:20 | DaWorm | hello |
| 10:03:36 | Piete | wonders what all the fuss is about synching the Zaurus.. It works awesome on my slackware box :) |
| 10:04:38 | badl | wonders why people bother syncing at all... it works awesome via ethernet/wifi ;) |
| 10:04:49 | Piete | badl: yea :) |
| 10:05:06 | Piete | badl: I just turned on my zaurus for the first time about 10 minutes ago :)) |
| 10:05:15 | Piete | man, I LOVE its screen |
| 10:05:24 | badl | you finally got it! |
| 10:05:30 | Piete | whats the ZaurusZone feed's url? |
| 10:05:31 | badl | it is an sl5000? |
| 10:05:43 | Piete | badl: yea, at last! SL5500 |
| 10:05:45 | badl | zauruszone.com/feed <-- i think |
| 10:05:49 | | feed is, like, a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 10:05:49 | badl | ibot feed |
| 10:05:54 | Piete | thanks |
| 10:05:57 | badl | yup thats right |
| 10:06:20 | badl | so your all happy that you don't have to play with the QV frame buffer ;) |
| 10:06:42 | Piete | hehe |
| 10:06:58 | badl | did you give the Z a full 24hr charge? |
| 10:06:59 | Piete | nah, when I get used to it i will prolly install Familliar on it or something.. |
| 10:07:27 | Piete | badl: I plugged it in, and waited until the amber light turned off |
| 10:07:41 | Piete | and never removed it |
| 10:07:52 | Piete | so its not using the batter |
| 10:07:56 | Piete | (i think) |
| 10:08:14 | badl | sharp recommend a full 24hr charge for the first time... so it charges the internal backup battery |
| 10:08:45 | Piete | badl: yea, its a second had one, its about 2 months old. so its not a 'fresh' battery |
| 10:08:52 | Piete | second hand |
| 10:08:59 | badl | ahh ok |
| 10:09:34 | Piete | hmm, what should I install on it first... |
| 10:09:50 | badl | everything... as long as you have SD/CF |
| 10:10:01 | Piete | I was AMAZED at the Quasar java app.. |
| 10:10:18 | badl | haha.. i think its lame ;) |
| 10:10:19 | Piete | it runs so smoooth |
| 10:10:29 | badl | waste of space |
| 10:10:38 | Piete | badl: its lame yes, but I used to be a Palm user on 16Mhz CPUS... |
| 10:10:56 | Piete | so could can understand my 'amazedness' |
| 10:10:59 | badl | ohhh ;) i understand |
| 10:11:06 | badl | install prDOOM |
| 10:11:55 | smad|w | boom |
| 10:11:57 | smad|w | ;) |
| 10:12:35 | badl | boooo ya! |
| 10:12:51 | smad|w | kapow! |
| 10:12:56 | Piete | waaaaaam! |
| 10:13:19 | badl | kaaaaaaaar zaam! |
| 10:13:20 | Piete | my only grudge with slackware is its not compatible with usb Hotplug |
| 10:13:25 | Piete | so I have to write my own scripts.. |
| 10:13:41 | badl | usb sucks in general anyway ;) |
| 10:13:45 | Piete | yea |
| 10:13:52 | Piete | its better than the palm serial :P |
| 10:14:16 | Piete | ph34r my 56k palm sync speed! |
| 10:14:26 | badl | 115k |
| 10:14:52 | badl | ohhh... my download has finished ;) |
| 10:15:19 | Piete | badl: my serial port would become unstable at higher than 56k |
| 10:16:06 | badl | ic |
| 11:36:50 | | Test cancelled. |
| 11:36:50 | ljp | ibot test |
| 12:04:24 | WingLover | Bah, stupid FCE Ultra |
| 13:15:38 | benmeyer | nothing like dreaming that you programed the alarm clock to "go off" at the right time, and thus it doesn't mean anything else. |
| 13:33:07 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:47:10 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 hours, 46 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: might be an issue with nuking uclibc or some other component and just building that. [Wed Oct 23 03:00:58 2002] |
| 13:47:10 | benmeyer | ibot seen bzflag |
| 13:47:36 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 13:49:49 | ljp_work | hi |
| 13:52:25 | Piete | ok, <idiot>Where do I get the terminal?</idiot> |
| 13:52:41 | | hmmm... zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 13:52:41 | Cloudchaser | ibot zsi |
| 13:52:49 | Cloudchaser | or on sharp cd |
| 13:52:55 | Piete | what is it called? |
| 13:52:58 | Piete | zsi? |
| 13:53:12 | Cloudchaser | on zsi look for embeddedkonsole-tabs |
| 13:53:17 | Cloudchaser | nice upgraded terminal |
| 13:53:28 | Piete | ok :) |
| 13:53:29 | Piete | thanks |
| 13:53:32 | Cloudchaser | on sharp rom..dunno.. maybe its called terminal |
| 13:53:48 | Piete | this GUI is driving me nuts, I need a nice flashing cursor to relax me ;) |
| 14:02:02 | Piete | thanks Cloudchaser, it worked :) |
| 14:02:54 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 14:04:55 | ljp_work | whats a terminal? |
| 14:05:00 | JasonNJ | theres a new terminal coming out |
| 14:05:05 | JasonNJ | opie-console |
| 14:05:16 | ljp_work | thats for serial connections |
| 14:05:23 | JasonNJ | also works locally |
| 14:05:46 | Cloudchaser | i saw new little db app on zsi |
| 14:05:53 | Piete | ok, what text editors comes with the Zaurus? I guess pico is not there eh? |
| 14:05:55 | Cloudchaser | but..no search function yet |
| 14:06:11 | Cloudchaser | Piete: there's a couple.. i use tkcEditor |
| 14:06:16 | Cloudchaser | there's an opie one too |
| 14:06:18 | JasonNJ | piete: tkceditor is very good |
| 14:06:25 | JasonNJ | but its commercial |
| 14:06:28 | Piete | ok, thanks you guys :) |
| 14:06:44 | Piete | will the default one work for editing things like resolv.conf? |
| 14:06:49 | Cloudchaser | no! |
| 14:06:55 | Cloudchaser | well it will but its wierd |
| 14:07:06 | Piete | I just want to add 2 lines... |
| 14:07:09 | Cloudchaser | resolve.conf might be ok |
| 14:07:20 | Piete | I think I'll edit it on the desktop and ftp to the Z.. |
| 14:07:30 | Cloudchaser | but if there's no extension it adss .txt and puts it in docs |
| 14:07:34 | Cloudchaser | or something like that |
| 14:08:05 | Piete | I see :/ |
| 14:08:17 | Cloudchaser | not sure whats happens if it has ext already |
| 14:08:22 | Piete | well, I got tkceditor with my zaurus :) So I'll just install it ;) |
| 14:08:29 | Cloudchaser | you did? |
| 14:08:34 | Cloudchaser | you buy second hand? |
| 14:08:52 | Cloudchaser | (your zaurus that is) |
| 14:08:59 | Piete | yea |
| 14:09:11 | Piete | the guy bought a lot of apps, so I got a pretty good deal |
| 14:09:17 | Cloudchaser | cool, :) |
| 14:09:31 | Cloudchaser | tkceditor is the best but the only problem might be updating apps |
| 14:09:32 | Piete | like 7 tkc apps, a wireless card, SD and CF, and leather case for $450 |
| 14:09:39 | Cloudchaser | have to speak to bigboss |
| 14:09:48 | Cloudchaser | and see if they can be transfered to you |
| 14:09:55 | Cloudchaser | for update purposes |
| 14:09:58 | Cloudchaser | dunno how that works |
| 14:10:09 | Piete | that would be great! |
| 14:10:21 | Cloudchaser | its worth asking about |
| 14:10:26 | Cloudchaser | not sure if that's done or not |
| 14:11:25 | Piete | anyone know if Crow's rom is any good? |
| 14:11:37 | Cloudchaser | do you have 5000? |
| 14:12:00 | Cloudchaser | i've read a few things about it, but haven't tried it... |
| 14:12:17 | Piete | Cloudchaser: its a SL5500 |
| 14:12:18 | Cloudchaser | read up on zaurus zone |
| 14:12:29 | Cloudchaser | should be some things there to get an idea |
| 14:12:30 | Piete | Cloudchaser: yea, thats where I heard about it |
| 14:12:48 | Cloudchaser | i think it looks pretty neat |
| 14:12:51 | Piete | hmm, no I don't have tkceditor.... |
| 14:12:59 | Piete | I'll check on killefiz |
| 14:13:24 | Cloudchaser | but i don't feel like starting all over yet again :) |
| 14:13:38 | ljp_work | backup |
| 14:13:41 | Cloudchaser | i've got everything how i want it with no problems |
| 14:13:55 | Cloudchaser | well doesn't that crow rom take all the ram for apps? |
| 14:14:17 | ljp_work | sure |
| 14:14:18 | Piete | crow uses SD as storage, and RAM as well, RAM |
| 14:14:34 | Cloudchaser | so backing up and restoring from sharp rom wouldn't quite work |
| 14:15:16 | ljp_work | it would if you backed up the correct things, and restored the correct things ;) |
| 14:15:26 | ljp_work | might have to do it by hand |
| 14:15:45 | Piete | hmm, I installed a app called 'MyPDA file Browser', but its not in the uninstall window, or in qtopia desktop's add remove thing.. |
| 14:15:50 | Piete | how can I remove it? |
| 14:16:25 | Cloudchaser | have to find out where all the files went, what they are and remove them manually |
| 14:16:37 | Piete | but why did that happen.. |
| 14:16:57 | Cloudchaser | bad packaging/programming maybe |
| 14:17:15 | Cloudchaser | or if your ram is full, it might not have installed fully |
| 14:17:20 | Piete | well, theres nothing on my Z yet, so I'll just reset it |
| 14:17:30 | Cloudchaser | that works really well too ;) |
| 14:17:34 | Piete | lol |
| 14:19:02 | Piete | damn,, I love its screen... I can't stop looking at it :D |
| 14:21:22 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 14:28:44 | Piete | ok, now for ip masq |
| 14:30:11 | Twiun | Hi everyone |
| 14:32:55 | scanline | is back (gone 08:12:54) |
| 14:34:48 | Cloudchaser | hiya Twiun |
| 14:36:44 | Twiun | just got back from shopping for ski clothes... |
| 14:36:54 | Twiun | and I tells ya... my wallet hurts like crazy |
| 14:37:54 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 14:38:06 | benmeyer | I know it was already out there, but I finally got around to writing a kernel compile howto |
| 14:38:08 | Cloudchaser | mine hurts from lack of paycheck |
| 14:38:08 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/kernel_compile.shtml |
| 14:38:24 | Twiun | Woohoo ;-) |
| 14:38:43 | Twiun | Ever thought of working in tech docs Ben? |
| 14:38:54 | benmeyer | <shudder> |
| 14:39:24 | Twiun | cackles evilly |
| 14:39:30 | benmeyer | Developers can't develop if they don't have docs |
| 14:39:41 | benmeyer | and we all know how wonderfull Sharp Japan's site is... |
| 14:39:55 | Twiun | benmeyer: How could you?! it's perfect! |
| 14:40:00 | Twiun | lol |
| 14:40:09 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 14:40:17 | Twiun | it's a shame they don't just junk the jp site and use ZZ instead |
| 14:40:19 | Twiun | Heya BB |
| 14:40:36 | BigBoss | whatchu talking about twiun? |
| 14:41:16 | benmeyer | well once the sf site come up we hope to do something along tha lines almost |
| 14:41:35 | BigBoss | what's up with that sf site? it's been like a real long time |
| 14:41:40 | BigBoss | as has zsi version 2 |
| 14:41:51 | Twiun | BigBoss: complaining about the Sharp jp site being a big pile of... |
| 14:41:52 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 14:42:37 | benmeyer | no idea |
| 14:43:19 | kergoth`bbl | morning all |
| 14:44:02 | akawaka | the windows installation software is hilariously poor |
| 14:44:13 | benmeyer | Zaurus's? |
| 14:44:34 | BigBoss | hi chouimat |
| 14:44:51 | akawaka | yeah |
| 14:44:54 | Twiun | hey chouimat - pestered kergoth today yet? |
| 14:45:08 | kergoth | dont pester me before coffee |
| 14:45:16 | Twiun | kergoth: RUN! |
| 14:45:19 | kergoth | i may have to kill something |
| 14:45:19 | Twiun | get that coffee |
| 14:45:22 | chouimat | Twiun: no, currently playing with minixfs source and BrickOS |
| 14:45:30 | Twiun | cool |
| 14:46:04 | chouimat | Twiun: and I want my lego mindstorm soon |
| 14:46:09 | JasonNJ | morning chillins. |
| 14:46:53 | BigBoss | hey jason |
| 14:46:54 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 14:46:57 | BigBoss | thaks for the email |
| 14:47:16 | BigBoss | hey jason, I just found out yesterday that Sharp is responsible for the 'featured product' on the myzaurus home page |
| 14:47:17 | JasonNJ | bigboss: https://66.180.235.230/ |
| 14:47:24 | BigBoss | Reef War has been there for months now |
| 14:47:25 | JasonNJ | we're still tweaking it. |
| 14:47:37 | BigBoss | and it isn't really a great example for new customers of what can be done on the Z |
| 14:47:46 | BigBoss | checking |
| 14:48:41 | Piete | is the nameserver 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf needed? |
| 14:48:52 | Twiun | hey Jason |
| 14:48:56 | JasonNJ | ya |
| 14:49:37 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: looking good - when's it gonna be live? |
| 14:49:43 | chouimat | BigBoss: any new disks lately? |
| 14:49:45 | JasonNJ | a few weeks we hope |
| 14:50:00 | Twiun | JasonNJ: US Sharp only, or worldwide Sharp? |
| 14:50:07 | JasonNJ | international |
| 14:50:25 | JasonNJ | it replaces the japan site and ZaurusZone.com |
| 14:50:38 | Twiun | Cool - the UK's "coming soon dev site" is frustratingly familiar nowdays ;-) |
| 14:51:03 | BigBoss | oh cool |
| 14:51:13 | BigBoss | Mariah Carey does a Def Lepperd song on her new CD |
| 14:51:17 | BigBoss | that should be interesting |
| 14:51:41 | BigBoss | chouimat: I'm supposed to get the new Magellan and Explorers club this week with some other stuff |
| 14:51:53 | BigBoss | I really like this Flower Kings new double CD, Unfold the Future |
| 14:52:10 | chouimat | BigBoss: EC. Raising the mammoths? |
| 14:52:17 | Twiun | JasonNJ: I'm impressed ;-) The internationalisation works well... |
| 14:52:45 | BigBoss | chouimat: yes - I haven't heard it yet |
| 14:52:47 | JasonNJ | yeah we are working on integrating the discussion forums peice, I still have to work out how to migrate over the wiki stuff |
| 14:53:09 | JasonNJ | I'd also probably like to run a mirror of the ZSI database |
| 14:53:11 | Twiun | Aaargh... can't get out of hebrew! |
| 14:53:23 | JasonNJ | and then we gotta figure out how to handle the feeds in some automated way |
| 14:53:52 | chouimat | BigBoss: got it about 2 months ago. very good |
| 14:55:00 | JasonNJ | in theory zauruszone could replace ZSI entirely, but ZSI is better purposed at doing a quick and fast software index than SF is |
| 14:55:38 | chouimat | Twiun: ? |
| 14:55:46 | BigBoss | chouimat: http://12.151.57.46:8380/ |
| 14:55:53 | BigBoss | open that in a streaming audio player |
| 14:56:01 | BigBoss | that's the large library progrock.com |
| 14:56:06 | BigBoss | playing the new Enchant right now |
| 14:56:18 | Piete | hmmm, anyone know what 'dhcpd' is used for? its in my process list |
| 14:56:44 | kergoth | Piete: dhcp server. it assigns an ip to the desktop side of the usb networking connection when you're plugged into the cradle |
| 14:56:59 | Piete | kergoth I see... |
| 14:57:41 | Piete | kergoth intresting.. I assigned everything manualy, but this makes it much more intresting... |
| 14:57:54 | chouimat | BigBoss: the album Blink of an Eye? |
| 14:57:59 | BigBoss | chouimat: yes |
| 14:58:05 | chouimat | BigBoss: have it |
| 14:58:09 | BigBoss | I still haven't gotten up there to audition |
| 14:58:10 | kergoth | Piete: if you assign everything manually on both ends, then edit /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf and change DHCPS=n to disable dhcpd |
| 14:58:20 | BigBoss | Doug Ott's mom was diagnosed with cancer the week I was supposed to audition |
| 14:58:33 | chouimat | ouch |
| 14:58:41 | Piete | kergoth damn! it works :) |
| 14:59:04 | Piete | kergoth I just typed in 'dhcpcd usb0' on my slackware box, and it got the ip :) |
| 14:59:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:59:12 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:59:25 | BigBoss | chouimat: yea, that band goes through so much - my mom got through cancer about 8 years ago, so I hope it goes ok, but that left everything on indefinite hold |
| 14:59:47 | Piete | kergoth that significantly reduces the size of my 'zaurus-sync script' |
| 15:01:04 | Cloudchaser | having fun there Piete? |
| 15:01:11 | Piete | hell yea! |
| 15:01:16 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 15:01:21 | chouimat | BigBoss: my ex-father-in-law has a skin cancer for 10+ years now... with a lot of high and low. kind weird about 4 types of skin cancer mixed together. so the doctor don't know how to cure it |
| 15:01:44 | Cloudchaser | that's awful chouimat |
| 15:01:45 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 15:01:50 | BigBoss | yikes |
| 15:01:54 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: I know |
| 15:02:09 | Piete | that is very very bad |
| 15:02:15 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: the guy is actualy fun. but his daughter is insane |
| 15:02:39 | chouimat | BigBoss: Rush |
| 15:03:00 | BigBoss | yep :) |
| 15:03:27 | chouimat | BigBoss: a little bug in noatun (I don't have title for ogg stream) |
| 15:04:29 | chouimat | BigBoss: how many kbps? |
| 15:06:10 | BigBoss | this is an mp3 stream |
| 15:06:13 | BigBoss | i'm not sure the kbps |
| 15:06:27 | BigBoss | looks like 56 |
| 15:06:44 | chouimat | BigBoss: I'm waiting for the new Opeth |
| 15:06:46 | NetAmp | hah ;) Have you folks read the Wired magazine article |
| 15:06:54 | NetAmp | even Catherine Bell has a Zaurus |
| 15:07:02 | NetAmp | it's a hot item :D |
| 15:07:16 | ljp_work | who? |
| 15:07:20 | NetAmp | http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.11/power_houses.html?pg=3&topic=&topic_set= |
| 15:07:24 | chouimat | NetAmp: item? not chick? |
| 15:07:32 | Piete | how do I 'controll C' out of an app... witht the onscreen keboard typing that does not work... |
| 15:07:35 | NetAmp | chouimat: hahaha *lol* |
| 15:07:39 | Piete | (im trying to quit a ping) |
| 15:07:40 | NetAmp | chouimat: you're right ;) |
| 15:08:39 | NetAmp | I want 802.11 repeaters in every room too :S |
| 15:08:51 | NetAmp | I should get a much better paying job :P |
| 15:09:01 | NetAmp | (or win the lottery) |
| 15:09:02 | Cloudchaser | nice what you can do with alot of cash, isn't it? |
| 15:09:09 | NetAmp | Cloudchaser: sure is! |
| 15:09:22 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: yup |
| 15:09:40 | ljp_work | piete : dont you know by know to always use ping -c 3 ?? |
| 15:11:00 | Twiun | Piete: just quit the terminal app |
| 15:11:09 | Twiun | Piete: it'll kill the ping |
| 15:12:06 | ljp_work | heheheh |
| 15:12:15 | NetAmp | Heh the ZRally game is fun (for a while at least) |
| 15:12:41 | Piete | lol |
| 15:12:42 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 15:12:42 | BigBoss | ibot zsi |
| 15:12:48 | Piete | w00000t!! I'm online!!! |
| 15:13:00 | NetAmp | Piete: Congratulations |
| 15:13:06 | Piete | man, I love iptables |
| 15:13:10 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 15:13:10 | benmeyer | http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.11/power_houses.html?pg=3&topic=&topic_set= |
| 15:13:21 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 15:13:29 | JasonNJ | thats pretty cool |
| 15:13:36 | NetAmp | benmeyer: sweet huh? ;) |
| 15:13:39 | NetAmp | hah |
| 15:13:43 | JasonNJ | maybe we can get ourselves a company spokeswoman for the Z |
| 15:13:48 | NetAmp | yrah! |
| 15:13:56 | JasonNJ | she's pretty hot too |
| 15:14:06 | NetAmp | that would work, wouldn't it |
| 15:14:11 | NetAmp | a Zaurus representative ;) |
| 15:14:12 | Cloudchaser | oh well thats very important |
| 15:14:26 | BigBoss | i need to make sure she knows about our apps |
| 15:14:33 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 15:14:38 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe |
| 15:14:56 | NetAmp | BB: give her a pluche Kwacky or Pingizauru ;) |
| 15:15:06 | NetAmp | 's gotta eat dinner, C-ya! |
| 15:15:13 | JasonNJ | yeah we need to make stuffed pingizaurus |
| 15:16:23 | chouimat | JasonNJ: good that would be a nice addition to my FreeBSD daemon and tux |
| 15:16:43 | benmeyer | . Green once anchored a pair of $100,000 living-room speakers in bedrock, placing them atop 18-foot-tall columns of concrete and steel to minimize vibration. |
| 15:16:45 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:16:46 | benmeyer | I remember that |
| 15:17:30 | benmeyer | eHomes unit? |
| 15:18:39 | | ljp_work: huh? |
| 15:18:39 | ljp_work | ibot: tshirts |
| 15:18:47 | Piete | hmmmmmmm opera is still my favourite browser.. |
| 15:18:48 | | well, openzaurus tshirts is at http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=openzaurus |
| 15:18:48 | ljp_work | ibot: openzaurus tshirts |
| 15:19:46 | JasonNJ | we need to revamp those shirts |
| 15:20:00 | benmeyer | Cahttp://images.google.com/images?q=Catherine+Bell&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search |
| 15:20:58 | benmeyer | I wonder how the google filter works |
| 15:21:12 | benmeyer | some sort of skin palette/word matching patter |
| 15:21:32 | benmeyer | mutters how once again some sex type topic was ligitly turned technical |
| 15:22:16 | benmeyer | honestly she looks like sh*t with short hair, but anyway... |
| 15:22:58 | Piete | hmm, is it possible to 'minimize' apps? |
| 15:23:04 | ljp_work | well,...I wouldnt kick her out of bed for eatting soup and crackers! |
| 15:23:14 | benmeyer | minimize? |
| 15:23:22 | benmeyer | sure, click the "Home" button |
| 15:23:27 | Piete | benmeyer: ahhhh, thanks! |
| 15:23:37 | Piete | I really need to read the manual.. |
| 15:23:45 | Piete | I'm just too excited |
| 15:23:52 | Piete | :D |
| 15:23:58 | benmeyer | developer? |
| 15:24:17 | JasonNJ | http://www.parajsa.com/bukuroshet/foto/catherinebell4.jpg |
| 15:24:22 | JasonNJ | homina homina. |
| 15:24:32 | Piete | benmeyer: nope |
| 15:25:00 | JasonNJ | wow looks and brains, cant beat that |
| 15:25:25 | Cloudchaser | hey ljp, i think i asked this before.. but can the opie app to have the cf/sd on one taskbar icon work on sharp rom? |
| 15:25:35 | benmeyer | but just imagine if she knew of that tech thing before you! |
| 15:26:00 | ljp_work | hmm.. I _think_ so.. havent tried tho |
| 15:26:03 | benmeyer | Feed is updated! |
| 15:26:06 | benmeyer | on zz |
| 15:26:08 | benmeyer | and howtos |
| 15:26:18 | benmeyer | anyone here used rsync? |
| 15:26:35 | Cloudchaser | i'm out of space on my taskbar...with the clipboard and your nice little note app, that leaves only 1 space open for apps |
| 15:26:37 | benmeyer | I am not entirly sure how to get it to work |
| 15:26:37 | chouimat | JasonNJ: two words: any time |
| 15:26:44 | Cloudchaser | hard to switch back and forth between apps |
| 15:27:07 | chouimat | benmeyer: not lately |
| 15:29:17 | ljp_work | in opie, you can select which installed applets to load up |
| 15:29:19 | Piete | JasonNJ: any new info on that new ROM you told us about a while back (the one with the new Database) |
| 15:29:20 | Piete | ? |
| 15:29:36 | JasonNJ | Piete: its currently at alpha level |
| 15:29:43 | Piete | I know.. |
| 15:29:44 | JasonNJ | right now it doesnt sync |
| 15:30:20 | JasonNJ | it will probably be a few weeks until we have something of beta quality to release to the developers |
| 15:30:30 | Piete | Ahh, ok I see :) |
| 15:30:32 | Piete | thanks |
| 15:30:47 | chouimat | JasonNJ: what are the new features? |
| 15:30:54 | ljp_work | heh |
| 15:30:59 | JasonNJ | chou: primarily it features a new database API |
| 15:31:06 | JasonNJ | it no longer uses XML for the pim data |
| 15:31:31 | JasonNJ | also the PIM is revved to what is used in the next Zaurus |
| 15:32:15 | Piete | kewl |
| 15:32:16 | ljp_work | too bad the docs tab wont be reved also |
| 15:32:29 | JasonNJ | ljp: actually, it is. |
| 15:32:35 | ljp_work | oh nice |
| 15:32:36 | JasonNJ | it uses the same one the A300 does |
| 15:32:39 | chouimat | JasonNJ: screenshots? |
| 15:32:39 | Piete | (!!!) |
| 15:32:50 | ljp_work | hear that cloudy? |
| 15:32:51 | JasonNJ | chou: cant show those yet, because its not finalized. |
| 15:32:52 | Piete | chouimat: look at a A300's screenshot ;) |
| 15:32:56 | Cloudchaser | WOOHOOO! |
| 15:32:57 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 15:33:02 | Cloudchaser | oh jason.. one thing |
| 15:33:19 | Cloudchaser | will wireless synch be broke on that rom? |
| 15:33:39 | JasonNJ | cloud: right now all sync is broken |
| 15:33:41 | Cloudchaser | i have to have that wireless/ftp access via wireless |
| 15:33:43 | JasonNJ | its a test rom |
| 15:33:52 | JasonNJ | theres a totally new sync methodology |
| 15:33:56 | Cloudchaser | i know but once that's fixed and all |
| 15:34:00 | Cloudchaser | ah ok :) |
| 15:34:13 | JasonNJ | dunno, I am not sure how they are implementing security yet, it changes on a weekly basis |
| 15:34:20 | JasonNJ | we get new rom drops weekly |
| 15:34:38 | Cloudchaser | well security is fine as long as we can pick and choose who we want t let in |
| 15:34:58 | Piete | JasonNJ: but thanks, now at least I know that I won't have to live with the current Docs tab forever ;) |
| 15:35:02 | Cloudchaser | in other words...doesn't do you much good to lock your own house if you don't have a key to get in |
| 15:35:06 | Harlekin | huh |
| 15:35:09 | Harlekin | u |
| 15:35:13 | Piete | yo Harlekin |
| 15:35:28 | Cloudchaser | hello Harlekin |
| 15:35:42 | Twiun | hey Harlekin |
| 15:35:46 | chouimat | Harlekin: morning |
| 15:36:13 | Harlekin | hi Piete Cloudchaser Twiun chouimat |
| 15:36:13 | Piete | wow, you can't beat that greeting :) |
| 15:38:46 | ljp_work | its cause harlekin is rad! |
| 15:38:47 | | Piete: i'm not following you... |
| 15:38:47 | Piete | ibot: screen protectors |
| 15:41:27 | benmeyer | Anyone got redhat 8.0 yet? |
| 15:41:39 | kergoth | benmeyer: yes, its .. got issues :) |
| 15:42:57 | Harlekin | ljp_work: what is rad |
| 15:42:57 | benmeyer | what gcc version? |
| 15:43:07 | kergoth | benmeyer: 3.2 |
| 15:43:16 | kergoth | brb |
| 15:43:24 | Piete | Harlekin: rad == cool |
| 15:43:57 | ljp_work | rad is short for radical.. |
| 15:44:01 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 15:44:22 | Harlekin | aha |
| 15:46:41 | Piete | hmm, to format a sd card... mkfs.vfat /dev/?? |
| 15:46:42 | Piete | ? |
| 15:47:59 | ljp_work | sd is /dev/mmcda1 |
| 15:47:59 | benmeyer | anyone looked a the fslib yet? |
| 15:48:03 | benmeyer | for fdisking? |
| 15:48:21 | Piete | thanks ljp_work |
| 15:48:47 | Piete | hmm, when I upload a file through qtopia desktop to a SD card, where does it 'actually' go /mnt/card/? |
| 15:49:10 | benmeyer | grr |
| 15:49:18 | benmeyer | the latest kernel from japan doesn't compile |
| 15:49:31 | ciao_linux | what version is that? |
| 15:49:40 | benmeyer | 9-10 |
| 15:52:20 | benmeyer | yah in 53 hours I will have downloaded cd #1 or 3 for red hat.... |
| 15:52:31 | benmeyer | 1 of 3 |
| 15:52:38 | prpplague | benmeyer: yikes |
| 15:52:40 | benmeyer | wait 77 |
| 15:52:41 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:52:49 | prpplague | benmeyer: you have a slow connect on your end? |
| 15:52:55 | benmeyer | red hat needs better mirror |
| 15:52:58 | benmeyer | mirros |
| 15:53:11 | prpplague | benmeyer: try ftp.netcraft.com.au |
| 15:53:24 | prpplague | benmeyer: i generally get around 80k on that one |
| 15:53:44 | prpplague | benmeyer: rhat 8? |
| 15:53:59 | benmeyer | sweet |
| 15:54:02 | benmeyer | they have 6.2 |
| 15:54:08 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:54:12 | benmeyer | just for testing purposes |
| 15:54:17 | benmeyer | hugs apt-get |
| 15:54:17 | prpplague | benmeyer: 8 sucks |
| 15:54:59 | prpplague | benmeyer: they jack with the ansi fonts, termcap and terminfo |
| 15:56:10 | benmeyer | 47K/s |
| 15:56:11 | benmeyer | not bad |
| 15:59:57 | chouimat | hughs Gentoo 1.4 |
| 16:00:34 | Piete | hugs slackware version * |
| 16:03:10 | benmeyer | The thing that I hate about Red Hat is simply that there is no upgrade scheme |
| 16:03:24 | Harlekin | hugs his cpus |
| 16:03:28 | benmeyer | kde 3.1 when it comes out in three weeks there wont be red hat binaries anywhere ready |
| 16:03:31 | Harlekin | which are not busy compiling stupid stuff |
| 16:03:39 | benmeyer | and probably wont ever come will red hat 8.1 comes out |
| 16:03:43 | Harlekin | benmeyer: i hope 3.1 is postponed |
| 16:03:46 | benmeyer | why? |
| 16:04:05 | benmeyer | I have sizza that needs in cvs, but can't get in till after the freeze |
| 16:04:23 | Harlekin | benmeyer: so many bugs |
| 16:04:33 | benmeyer | oh? |
| 16:04:43 | benmeyer | well there is always 3.11 |
| 16:04:45 | benmeyer | <snicker> |
| 16:04:49 | Piete | any nice ebook readers that can read html? |
| 16:04:54 | Harlekin | 3.11 for workgroups |
| 16:05:03 | benmeyer | at some point it has to be released simply to get it out there |
| 16:05:14 | | zsi is, like, http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 16:05:14 | benmeyer | ibot zsi |
| 16:05:38 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 16:05:38 | benmeyer | ibot search zsi for ebook |
| 16:05:46 | | docReader 1.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=573 |
| 16:05:47 | | evolution-sync.pl 0.05 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=7 |
| 16:05:48 | | Network_Hackproofing_(eBook) >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=579 |
| 16:05:49 | | 3 of 9 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=ebook |
| 16:05:49 | benmeyer | ibot search zsi for ebook |
| 16:05:56 | Piete | benmeyer: ;) |
| 16:06:03 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:06:05 | kergoth | today is going to suck |
| 16:06:06 | kergoth | i can tell |
| 16:06:17 | benmeyer | why is that? |
| 16:06:29 | benmeyer | I get soup today! |
| 16:06:32 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 16:07:08 | benmeyer | not soup in the can, but slow cooked all day in a big vat goodness |
| 16:07:14 | ljp_work | no soup for you! |
| 16:07:23 | Piete | benmeyer: benmeyer hmmmmmmmm |
| 16:07:29 | Piete | sounds nice |
| 16:07:36 | NetAmp_away | Piete: looks like you just got your Z ? ;) |
| 16:07:52 | Cloudchaser | today's a good soup day :) |
| 16:08:10 | kergoth | nono, i tell you, today sucks |
| 16:08:13 | kergoth | hey mike |
| 16:08:16 | tux_mike | hey |
| 16:08:21 | benmeyer | http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~drt/ |
| 16:08:23 | benmeyer | cool |
| 16:08:23 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 10 hours, 35 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: see you later folks [Mon Oct 21 23:32:28 2002] |
| 16:08:23 | tux_mike | ibot seen warmi |
| 16:08:46 | benmeyer | kergoth: so now that the networksetup bug is fixed you have plans on releasing the next oz? |
| 16:09:03 | kergoth | benmeyer: yep. bout to flash a test rom to check for any kinks |
| 16:09:19 | NetAmp | Piete: I'm using a screen protector from pdascreenprotectors.com - Hard to install but it feels good not worrying about scratching the screen :) |
| 16:09:21 | ljp_work | The Kinks? |
| 16:09:38 | | hmmm... ftp is ftpsrv.exe at http://www.oohito.com/data/wince/FTPS006AP.ZIP, sources at http://www.oohito.com/data/wince/FTPS006D.ZIP, homepage at http://www.oohito.com/ |
| 16:09:38 | NetAmp | ibot: ftp |
| 16:09:40 | Piete | NetAmp: ok, thanks |
| 16:10:32 | smad|w | '# Flash: I can't believe it's happening' |
| 16:10:39 | | i heard faq was at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 16:10:39 | NetAmp | ibot: faq |
| 16:10:42 | smad|w | hehe - The Kinks have lots of lyrics with 'flash' in |
| 16:11:35 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 16:11:35 | kergoth | ibot faq is also http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 16:12:25 | kergoth | wtf. i just ordered checks online, 2nd day air, but i have to *snail mail* them a copy of a check anyway |
| 16:12:40 | Piete | lol |
| 16:12:41 | ljp_work | heh |
| 16:12:41 | kergoth | if i knew it was gonna be a week or more anyway i wouldnt have bothered with 2nd day |
| 16:12:43 | benmeyer | bummer |
| 16:12:45 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 16:13:20 | benmeyer | reminds me of yesterday, sent in a check for 2500, it was cashed for 25 and then my bank accepted it and sent it back, thus leading to all sorts of errors |
| 16:13:36 | ljp_work | thats like QWest.. pay your bill online, you you still have to call and 'report' that you paid your bill |
| 16:13:39 | benmeyer | Going to take me a week to fix it |
| 16:13:44 | Cloudchaser | least they subtracted zeros |
| 16:13:46 | kergoth | ljp_work: yep. fuckers. |
| 16:13:50 | kergoth | I hate checks |
| 16:13:51 | Cloudchaser | i've had them add zeros |
| 16:13:52 | benmeyer | sense I have to fax it to everyone |
| 16:13:53 | smad|w | kergoth: that FAQ link doesnt work for me |
| 16:13:54 | ljp_work | benmeyer: I had that happen to me also! |
| 16:14:36 | ljp_work | a had a $2800 check to UPS, it got cashed for $28 |
| 16:14:42 | | oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ or http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 16:14:42 | kergoth | ibot oz faq |
| 16:14:56 | | kergoth: I forgot oz faq |
| 16:14:56 | kergoth | ibot forget oz faq |
| 16:15:01 | prpplague | ljp_work: ha |
| 16:15:19 | prpplague | benmeyer: that mirror do any better? |
| 16:15:25 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 16:15:25 | kergoth | ibot oz faq is http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/browse.php |
| 16:15:33 | benmeyer | the really anoying thing is that I has putting 2800 in my checking to cash that a month ago and last week transfered stuff around so there is only 1800 in there now and so I have to go back to the bank again to move money |
| 16:15:35 | benmeyer | bla |
| 16:15:40 | benmeyer | prpplague: yah much better |
| 16:15:45 | benmeyer | only 3 hours or so |
| 16:15:49 | kergoth | ibot: message for noda: the left navbar on openzaurus.org grows in width if the content on th eright is small. we need to lock in that width. |
| 16:16:10 | NetAmp | ah nice I got FTP working again |
| 16:16:28 | kergoth | gah i hate it when a make -j5 fails |
| 16:16:31 | kergoth | then i have no idea wtf happened |
| 16:16:43 | ljp_work | is now keeping $$$ in Mason jars buried in the yard |
| 16:16:57 | NetAmp | hmmm or not... |
| 16:18:42 | NetAmp | argh only from DOS |
| 16:19:16 | NetAmp | What FTP are you Windows users connecting with, to the Z? |
| 16:19:24 | NetAmp | LeapFTP won't login with 'root' and no pass |
| 16:19:28 | kergoth | i use smartftp myself |
| 16:19:32 | kergoth | it being freeware and all |
| 16:19:38 | NetAmp | hm.. maybe i'll try that then |
| 16:19:40 | NetAmp | thanks |
| 16:19:41 | kergoth | download.com |
| 16:19:42 | kergoth | np |
| 16:19:44 | NetAmp | :) |
| 16:19:59 | tux_mike | http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-962826.html drool |
| 16:20:22 | kergoth | mozilla/phoenix needs mouse gesture support |
| 16:20:47 | tux_mike | kergoth: i can think of other gestures most programs need support for :) |
| 16:21:02 | kergoth | i like mouse gestures |
| 16:21:14 | kergoth | that computer controlled by hand gestures in Minority Report rocked |
| 16:21:49 | tux_mike | i wonder what the computer woudl do if you flicked it off :) |
| 16:22:18 | ljp_work | I want eye gesters |
| 16:22:33 | ljp_work | lokk at a link.. blink twice, and it follows it |
| 16:22:47 | kergoth | thatd suck |
| 16:22:52 | kergoth | you'd be accidentally browsing all over the place |
| 16:22:56 | tux_mike | yah, but what happens when you get something stuck in your eye |
| 16:22:59 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:23:03 | tux_mike | and you do blink a /lot/ |
| 16:23:50 | NetAmp | Yeah the Minority Report stuff rocked, with the gloves |
| 16:23:51 | ljp_work | look away |
| 16:24:00 | BigBoss | i'd like one of those |
| 16:24:03 | NetAmp | the Zaurus could use a mod for that ;) |
| 16:24:28 | NetAmp | Also it needs a (wired) remote control for playing MP3s :P |
| 16:25:00 | NetAmp | wouldn't that be possible through the I/O port... hm |
| 16:25:18 | kergoth | NetAmp: i/o port only gives you serial and the usb device side connection |
| 16:25:35 | kergoth | s/I\/O port/serial/; |
| 16:25:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:25:41 | Cloudchaser | boy i sure did get spoiled with my work laptops.. this one is horribly slow ;( |
| 16:25:51 | NetAmp | kergoth: oh ok so you couldn't send control signals to the Media Player or so |
| 16:25:54 | kergoth | doesnt have a laptop |
| 16:26:02 | kergoth | NetAmp: you could do that with serial |
| 16:26:11 | NetAmp | kergoth: so you notice i'm not quite the I/O expert here? ;) hehe |
| 16:26:12 | noda | join #openzaurus |
| 16:26:16 | kergoth | noda: you missed |
| 16:26:17 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:26:19 | tux_mike | well, time to fix upt the horrid mess of cables under my desk |
| 16:26:20 | kergoth | yawns |
| 16:26:20 | tux_mike | bbl |
| 16:26:24 | noda | kergoth: Missed what? |
| 16:26:35 | kergoth | n/m. mocking your missing / |
| 16:27:03 | noda | Oh, ack :) |
| 16:27:12 | noda | Friggin' ibot came in and pestered me :P |
| 16:27:19 | kergoth | yup |
| 16:27:33 | ljp_work | thinks sharp shuold give deep discounts to 5000d owners on a serial cable |
| 16:28:16 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 16:28:21 | Cloudchaser | they shouldn't be so expensive for anyone |
| 16:28:26 | Cloudchaser | its outrageous |
| 16:28:32 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 16:28:47 | NetAmp | it's lame |
| 16:33:19 | treke | haha |
| 16:33:28 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:33:35 | treke | http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/ktai/contents/resource/image/20021001/ctecsharp04.jpg |
| 16:33:35 | ljp_work | heh -> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=668 |
| 16:34:09 | kergoth | treke: ? |
| 16:34:25 | treke | kergoth: Its running excel |
| 16:34:26 | kergoth | ljp_work: uhm |
| 16:34:27 | ljp_work | heh contraction timer.. "but honey.. my zaurus says it _isn't_ time yet! |
| 16:34:39 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 16:34:47 | kergoth | treke: oh, lol.. its a full screen jpeg or something |
| 16:35:02 | treke | hehe |
| 16:35:03 | Cloudchaser | i really like the look of that zaurus |
| 16:35:11 | Cloudchaser | i want one! |
| 16:37:34 | Cloudchaser | 'course, if i don't get another job any time soon, i'll never be getting another zaurus |
| 16:39:44 | Piete | ok, how do I format a SD card? |
| 16:39:51 | kergoth | Piete: read |
| 16:39:54 | | well, howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 16:39:54 | kergoth | ibot howto |
| 16:40:01 | kergoth | card howto |
| 16:40:09 | | Piete: what? |
| 16:40:09 | Piete | ibot card howto |
| 16:40:15 | Piete | ok |
| 16:40:36 | Piete | kergoth sorry for being a pain ;) |
| 16:40:41 | kergoth | go to the howtos url |
| 16:40:47 | kergoth | click on the card howto |
| 16:40:49 | kergoth | read it |
| 16:40:59 | Piete | I am |
| 16:41:09 | kergoth | good |
| 16:41:24 | XavierXeon | i'll be back |
| 16:41:32 | Piete | astalavista |
| 16:42:52 | NetAmp | heck |
| 16:42:59 | NetAmp | SOMEONE at @Home will suffer |
| 16:43:14 | kergoth | heck? |
| 16:43:17 | NetAmp | they've screwed up my internet connection again |
| 16:43:22 | NetAmp | *argh* |
| 16:43:41 | | kergoth: i'm not following you... |
| 16:43:41 | kergoth | ibot heck |
| 16:43:47 | NetAmp | gheh |
| 16:43:53 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 16:43:53 | kergoth | ibot heck is just say *hell*, dont beat around the bush man. |
| 16:43:58 | | ACTION flies a F16 |
| 16:43:58 | NetAmp | ibot fly |
| 16:43:58 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:44:04 | NetAmp | whow |
| 16:44:08 | kergoth | impressive |
| 16:44:21 | NetAmp | yeah very impressive for an ibot |
| 16:44:45 | ljp_work | I think its a two coffee day |
| 16:45:06 | kergoth | two? |
| 16:45:08 | kergoth | dood |
| 16:45:10 | kergoth | i'm on my 4th |
| 16:45:13 | kergoth | and i'm just getting started |
| 16:45:31 | NetAmp | hah |
| 16:45:36 | kergoth | but |
| 16:45:37 | kergoth | its a monday |
| 16:45:38 | kergoth | so thats why |
| 16:45:49 | NetAmp | monday?? |
| 16:45:53 | NetAmp | riiight |
| 16:45:57 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 16:45:59 | ljp_work | I drink big cups of coffee :) |
| 16:46:07 | mdz_ | wonders what timezone kergoth has managed to find where today is Monday |
| 16:46:12 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 16:46:13 | kergoth | well you see |
| 16:46:18 | NetAmp | agrees with mdz |
| 16:46:18 | mdz_ | KST |
| 16:46:22 | kergoth | some mondays arent *mondays* in that sense of the word |
| 16:46:26 | NetAmp | Kergoth Standard Time? |
| 16:46:28 | NetAmp | :P |
| 16:46:28 | kergoth | as in, that day when nothing goes right |
| 16:46:32 | kergoth | but this week |
| 16:46:35 | NetAmp | manic monday |
| 16:46:37 | kergoth | every day is a *monday* in that sense |
| 16:46:44 | ljp_work | noo MST.. Moon Standard Time |
| 16:46:54 | kergoth | TSST |
| 16:46:59 | kergoth | its a tech support thing |
| 16:47:02 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:47:10 | ljp_work | its ALWAYS Monday on the moon! |
| 16:47:20 | NetAmp | :D |
| 16:48:27 | NetAmp | What changes are going to be made to the Docs tab anyway? |
| 16:48:31 | NetAmp | just wondering.. |
| 16:48:36 | NetAmp | or won't they tell yet :P |
| 16:49:43 | ljp_work | lok for pics of the A300 |
| 16:49:47 | ljp_work | look even |
| 16:49:57 | kergoth | MUST get more coffee |
| 16:50:02 | kergoth | wandesr off |
| 16:50:05 | kergoth | wonders too |
| 16:50:26 | mark | has just got the workshop manual for his car. yuck :s |
| 16:50:33 | ljp_work | its more like a file dialog than a big blob of files |
| 16:50:43 | NetAmp | ljp_work: cool :) |
| 16:51:03 | ljp_work | kinda like what opie is going to do with it |
| 16:51:06 | NetAmp | ljp_work: I'll look for some pics when my web connection works again.. |
| 16:51:20 | NetAmp | but sounds nice |
| 16:55:03 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 39 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: only 3 hours or so [Wed Oct 23 10:15:45 2002] |
| 16:55:03 | BigBoss | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 16:56:06 | ljp_work | I should update some of my desktop apps some day |
| 16:58:33 | Hellaenergy | ls |
| 16:58:37 | Hellaenergy | hi |
| 16:58:39 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 17:02:49 | geart | what's the latest version (also unstable) of oz? |
| 17:03:17 | | oz prerelease is probably http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 17:03:17 | smad|w | ibot oz prerelease |
| 17:05:39 | geart | ok tnx |
| 17:05:56 | NetAmp | Have a nice (mon?)day y'all ;) |
| 17:29:18 | Twiun | swears at his isp |
| 17:38:35 | benmeyer | yummy pizza for lunch |
| 17:38:45 | kergoth | bastard |
| 17:38:47 | treke | glares at benmeyer |
| 17:38:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:39:04 | benmeyer | went to this pizza place for lunch |
| 17:39:08 | benmeyer | thin crust, was good |
| 17:39:57 | chouimat | kergoth: 511 char for filename is that enough? |
| 17:40:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:40:09 | Twiun | sharpens his axe... |
| 17:40:11 | kergoth | i thought 100 was good enough, its your call :) |
| 17:40:23 | chouimat | kergoth: a little slower ... |
| 17:40:26 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:40:31 | kergoth | well you decide |
| 17:40:37 | kergoth | its a tradeoff, obviously |
| 17:41:01 | kergoth | chouimat: ready to build a src.rpm for redhat of the ozfs module? :P |
| 17:41:03 | chouimat | kergoth: I will check every options |
| 17:41:26 | chouimat | kergoth: need testing :) |
| 17:41:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:41:45 | chouimat | kergoth: I have work to do |
| 17:46:17 | benmeyer | Consider a compact 3-dimensional manifold V without boundary. Is it possible that the fundamental group of V could be trivial, even though V is not homeomorphic to the 3-dimensional sphere? |
| 17:46:19 | benmeyer | hahahah |
| 17:46:31 | kergoth | what? |
| 17:46:39 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-10-23 17:38:34 | Anoto-based Pens From Logitech | A (Correct) Poincare Proof!? | Music and the Internet Reprise | Congress Members Oppose GPL for Government Research |
| 17:46:39 | benmeyer | ibot slashdot |
| 17:46:50 | benmeyer | Poincare Proof |
| 17:47:04 | kergoth | poincare, doesnt ring a bell |
| 17:47:06 | kergoth | i should go back to school |
| 17:47:07 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:47:19 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 17:47:29 | benmeyer | in essance that you can wrap a string around a ball |
| 17:47:31 | kergoth | debian sid's libc6 2.3.1-2 package was fucked |
| 17:47:41 | kergoth | i've got ELF binaries floating around i cant execute anymore |
| 17:47:43 | kergoth | stabs debian |
| 17:48:02 | kergoth | ah well, -3 seems solid |
| 17:48:06 | BigBoss | anyone notice that the congress people from the state of washington (home of microsoft) are on this legislation? |
| 17:51:40 | mdz_ | kergoth: did you miss the part where sid == unstable? :-) |
| 17:51:49 | kergoth | mdz_: yeah yeah yeah :) |
| 17:52:53 | ljp_work | congress? |
| 17:53:35 | chouimat | BigBoss: ??? |
| 17:59:02 | Twiun | wine question - Rich Edit 2.0 control... what winblows file do I need to satisfy that dependency under wine? |
| 18:00:09 | BigBoss | chouimat? |
| 18:02:29 | ljp_work | kicks the internet |
| 18:03:33 | sjohnson | chouimat: http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/02/10/23/1247236.shtml?tid=4 |
| 18:03:36 | WingLover | I'm sure that the Internet is quite distressed to hear that. |
| 18:17:00 | bbeattie | Anyone know of an ogg player (GUI) that will play quality -1 ogg's? the vorbis plugin for the media player plays then at double speed (chipmunk) and there is no contact to submit the bug. |
| 18:17:14 | zecke | where do I get the SL-5500 rom? |
| 18:17:36 | BigBoss | bbeattie: send me a copy of the ogg at shawn@thekompany.com and I'll test it in tkcPlayer |
| 18:18:19 | jbardin | myzaraurus.com should ghave it |
| 18:20:32 | bbeattie | BigBoss: sent |
| 18:21:47 | BigBoss | got it - checking now |
| 18:22:07 | JasonNJ | zecke: the english language rom for the us? |
| 18:22:23 | Twiun | Looks like PaintShop pro 7 just doesn't want to work under wine :-( |
| 18:25:05 | BigBoss | bbeattie: it playes perfectly on tkcPlayer |
| 18:25:13 | BigBoss | the quality of -1 is surprisingly good |
| 18:25:38 | WingLover | bbeattie, there's a vorbis plugin for the Media Player? |
| 18:25:39 | zecke | JasonNJ: yes I found the OSPACK on www.myzaurus.com |
| 18:25:57 | bbeattie | WingLover: yes, http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=617 |
| 18:26:22 | bbeattie | WingLover: last release was Oct 11, but it apparently doesn't support -1 quality ogg's. |
| 18:26:42 | bbeattie | BigBoss: thanks for checking, tckplayer is $15? |
| 18:26:43 | WingLover | Hmm, cool. |
| 18:26:48 | BigBoss | $10 |
| 18:27:02 | bbeattie | BigBoss: did it drop, or was it always that? |
| 18:27:08 | BigBoss | it's always been that |
| 18:27:12 | WingLover | I have a custom ROM that currently has xmms in it, but xmms has some really annoying bugs |
| 18:27:24 | BigBoss | but get it at www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 18:27:25 | bbeattie | BigBoss: Oh, but tckplayer doesn't do movies, that's tckvideo right? |
| 18:27:29 | treke | Twiun: vmware.com |
| 18:27:32 | BigBoss | bbeattie: right |
| 18:27:51 | Twiun | treke: $$$ I'm not *that* desperate for windows compatibility ;-) |
| 18:28:07 | Twiun | treke: but I had thought of it ;-) |
| 18:28:09 | zecke | thinks the SL-5500 is a nice X-Term... |
| 18:28:16 | treke | zecke: got a zaurus? |
| 18:35:00 | DaJoker | BigBoss: how well do your apps work with OZ/Opie? or do you not do that type of testing? |
| 18:35:33 | BigBoss | DaJoker: I'm told they work fine - we don't directly test them because those projects have not been finalized |
| 18:35:39 | BigBoss | I understand OZ just went final though |
| 18:36:06 | BigBoss | but we barely have the resources to test on the Sharp ROM. I'm also told if our software doesn't work on oz/opie then it should be considered a problem with oz/opie |
| 18:36:06 | Twiun | hiya BZ |
| 18:36:08 | zecke | DaJoker: we're eager that tkc software works on OZ/Opie |
| 18:36:21 | zecke | DaJoker: if not consider it a bug and tell us |
| 18:36:31 | DaJoker | ok.. |
| 18:36:55 | BigBoss | one of our customers was saying that tkcSync isn't working with OZ, but I didn't really follow the conversation |
| 18:36:56 | treke | DaJoker: I have a number of tkc apps that appear to work well on opie/familiar |
| 18:37:16 | DaJoker | ahh.. I've just been testing with tkcRadio.. |
| 18:37:45 | DaJoker | and was just wondering whether the issues I'm seeing are with the tkc app or oz/opie |
| 18:38:11 | zecke | tkcSync? |
| 18:38:30 | BigBoss | it's for tkcToDo to sync with Outlook |
| 18:40:30 | zecke | BigBoss: true MAPI? How do you stop Outlook from bitching that 3rd party wants to access outlook? |
| 18:40:37 | zecke | don't need to answer ;) |
| 18:40:55 | treke | BigBoss: Opie users might need to use the security applet to allow access |
| 18:41:00 | BigBoss | zecke: you think I write this stuff myself? I got no idea |
| 18:41:23 | treke | outlook definitly bitches when qtopia desktop tries syncing |
| 18:42:47 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 18:42:55 | benmeyer | my server was blocked for some reason... |
| 18:43:30 | zecke | BigBoss: from emperial study I know that M$ security enchancements... hinder 3rd party to access outlook externally |
| 18:43:50 | BigBoss | max never told me about having problems - doesn't mean he didn't, but I don't know of them |
| 18:46:23 | benmeyer | I wonder why... |
| 18:47:25 | Cloudchaser | DaJoker: what issues are you having with tkcRadio? i haven't had any issues with it cept one little bug |
| 18:47:29 | chouimat | kills M$ ipsec implementation |
| 18:47:30 | Cloudchaser | i'm on sharp rom |
| 18:49:21 | DaJoker | Cloudchaser: basically, 1. never detects bitrate right. 2. After prebuffering the stream, it A. segfaults or B. doesn't play at all. |
| 18:50:52 | BigBoss | mp3 or ogg stream? |
| 18:50:58 | BigBoss | all stations or particular stations? |
| 18:51:40 | DaJoker | BigBoss: ogg (free version) and all stations |
| 18:53:07 | BigBoss | give me a few url's to check |
| 18:53:12 | DaJoker | http://mp3.chemlab.org:8000/metal.ogg |
| 18:53:18 | DaJoker | http://neptune.orbislumen.net:8000/seattletech.ogg |
| 18:53:25 | DaJoker | http://www.evolutionradio.org:8000/station1_48.ogg |
| 18:53:45 | BigBoss | did you try a lower bandwidth stream? |
| 18:54:05 | DaJoker | I haven't really yet, no |
| 18:54:05 | treke | BigBoss: Found the problem with tkcsync. Opie users need to set a password of "rootme" on the communications options dialog |
| 18:54:46 | BigBoss | treke: well that was fast :) |
| 18:54:48 | treke | zecke: and outlook doesnt bitch when tksSync connects |
| 18:54:58 | treke | hehe. |
| 18:55:10 | treke | took me a second to install tkcSync :) |
| 18:55:47 | BigBoss | so treke you finally broke down and bought tkcToDo? |
| 18:55:53 | Cloudchaser | that neptune one is a huge bit rate |
| 18:55:58 | treke | Yes |
| 18:56:17 | Cloudchaser | not sure if its broken or is supposed to sound like that |
| 18:56:42 | Cloudchaser | seems to be playing fine though i think...hard to tell with that wierd music :) |
| 18:56:47 | DaJoker | hehe.. |
| 18:56:55 | BigBoss | treke: did you get the file format out so it can be added to Today? |
| 18:57:03 | DaJoker | I've just been searching for ogg streams to test with, not necessarily quality music ;) |
| 18:57:19 | Cloudchaser | ok well seattle techno works |
| 18:57:30 | treke | I'm looking at the format right now, although I probably wont write a plugin any time soon. Mostly I wanted to see what tkctodo does |
| 18:57:31 | Cloudchaser | but if you don't have good inet access it wouldn't |
| 18:57:42 | Cloudchaser | its 528800k stream |
| 18:57:43 | benmeyer | how do you restart an interface in 1 command? |
| 18:57:46 | BigBoss | DaJoker: you've done a better job than me in finding them for ogg, we'll add them to the library |
| 18:57:48 | benmeyer | ifrestart? |
| 18:58:02 | kergoth | benmeyer: i dont think theres a command for that |
| 18:58:04 | kergoth | benmeyer: hehe |
| 18:58:08 | BigBoss | winamp reports the bit rate all over the map for netptune |
| 18:58:12 | kergoth | i just ifdown blah; ifup blah; |
| 18:58:16 | DaJoker | BigBoss: there are several streams as chemlab.org |
| 18:58:37 | benmeyer | nope, after you do ifdown bla the connection would get severed and ifup wouldn't get executed |
| 18:58:42 | benmeyer | restart networking? |
| 18:59:38 | Cloudchaser | ok chemlab is working |
| 18:59:52 | Cloudchaser | noisy but working |
| 18:59:57 | DaJoker | ok.. just might be that I'm running this on oz then.. |
| 19:00:48 | kergoth | benmeyer: ? |
| 19:00:51 | kergoth | benmeyer: ifup will work fine |
| 19:01:28 | benmeyer | I am xhosting |
| 19:02:02 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:02:12 | Cloudchaser | evolution radio is working although it says "Example stream name" |
| 19:02:31 | Cloudchaser | and "Example genre" |
| 19:02:51 | benmeyer | so once the server's network goes down so does my terminal |
| 19:03:08 | benmeyer | /etc/init.d/networking restart worked though |
| 19:03:11 | kergoth | benmeyer: gotcha. run ifdown; ifup; in a screen session. hehe. |
| 19:03:14 | kergoth | benmeyer: :) |
| 19:03:27 | kergoth | ifrestart would be nifty |
| 19:03:31 | kergoth | should patch ifupdown |
| 19:03:32 | icefox | sweet |
| 19:03:37 | icefox | hi everybody |
| 19:03:43 | benmeyer | hi ben! |
| 19:03:45 | chouimat | hi ben |
| 19:03:46 | icefox | hi ben! |
| 19:03:46 | icefox | hahahah |
| 19:03:51 | benmeyer | ahhaha |
| 19:03:52 | kergoth | icefox: talking to yourself again? |
| 19:03:55 | icefox | hey |
| 19:04:07 | ljp_work | wow thats tricky |
| 19:04:21 | icefox | I changed my "static" ip to a +1 and was able to get back out onto the net |
| 19:04:30 | icefox | wonder who normally has this ip... |
| 19:05:32 | JasonNJ | ben forgot to take his medication today |
| 19:05:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:06:04 | icefox | I must be using too much bandwidth downloading redhat |
| 19:06:25 | icefox | oh well |
| 19:06:27 | icefox | wget -c |
| 19:06:42 | icefox | awaits a call from networking |
| 19:09:50 | mchouinar | hi kergoth |
| 19:10:01 | kergoth | hey mchouinar |
| 19:10:08 | kergoth | how goes ozfs |
| 19:10:09 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:10:48 | chouimat | kergoth: must finish cleaning the house |
| 19:10:55 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 19:11:04 | ljp_work | cleaning with ozfs? |
| 19:11:42 | chouimat | ljp_work: no |
| 19:12:20 | chouimat | ss |
| 19:12:33 | JasonNJ | what the heck is ozfs |
| 19:12:49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: chouimat and dessimat0r discovered minix is a *lot* faster than ext2 on cards |
| 19:12:56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: but minix has a filename length limit |
| 19:13:07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ozfs is chouimat's hacked minix filesystem driver that supports longer filenames |
| 19:13:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:13:46 | JasonNJ | lovely |
| 19:14:06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: he altered the driver on both his Z and his desktop, so he can access the data on the card properly. hehe. |
| 19:14:11 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hackish, but what the hell |
| 19:14:31 | chouimat | JasonNJ: 13MB to a ext2 cf via usb: 10minutes 20 seconds with minix |
| 19:15:20 | chouimat | JasonNJ: 13MB to a ext2 cf via usb: 10minutes, 20 seconds with minix |
| 19:15:20 | JasonNJ | is it faster than jffs2? |
| 19:15:20 | kergoth | hell of a speed diff |
| 19:15:20 | kergoth | well |
| 19:15:20 | kergoth | jffs2 is made to go on mtd devices, on flash |
| 19:15:20 | kergoth | so its a whole different ballgame |
| 19:15:27 | JasonNJ | 10 minutes 20 seconds for both? |
| 19:15:37 | kergoth | 10 mins for ext2, 20 secs for minix |
| 19:15:38 | kergoth | in his tests |
| 19:15:45 | JasonNJ | holy shit |
| 19:15:49 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:16:17 | ljp_work | wonders idf there were errors in the ext2 |
| 19:16:18 | JasonNJ | cool, so you gonna have a OZFS card utility? |
| 19:16:18 | treke | woah |
| 19:16:24 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I'm doing the right way. ozfs have now a differents MAGIC number than minix v1 (both version) and minix v2 |
| 19:16:32 | treke | chouimat: you testd vs fat also? |
| 19:16:41 | kergoth | treke: good idea |
| 19:16:52 | chouimat | treke: wait I will swith CF card |
| 19:17:02 | JasonNJ | is it faster than ext3? |
| 19:17:10 | kergoth | chouimat: use the same card in both tests.. for consistency |
| 19:17:23 | chouimat | kergoth: key |
| 19:17:25 | treke | portability isnt important enough for a 10 minute difference in my book :) |
| 19:17:25 | JasonNJ | does minix have less error checking? |
| 19:17:33 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 19:18:20 | ljp_work | try sd cards |
| 19:18:23 | kergoth | um |
| 19:18:27 | kergoth | chouimat: what size cf card? |
| 19:18:41 | kergoth | according to the info i have here, minix is limited to 64mb... |
| 19:18:51 | chouimat | kergoth: 64MB |
| 19:19:02 | Twiun | lol |
| 19:19:03 | kergoth | so it wont work for people with large cards |
| 19:19:06 | treke | oh 64mb limit. there goes that idea :) |
| 19:19:07 | kergoth | which would blow |
| 19:19:09 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:19:15 | Twiun | 64mb partitions everywhere ;-) |
| 19:19:16 | kergoth | next! |
| 19:19:18 | kergoth | Twiun: hehe |
| 19:19:21 | treke | chouimat: back to work. Up that limit :) |
| 19:19:25 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:19:37 | Twiun | add a few more bits to the addressing! |
| 19:19:40 | Coup-Laptop | evenin |
| 19:19:47 | chouimat | brb must reboot |
| 19:20:01 | Twiun | Coup-Laptop: hiya |
| 19:21:10 | ljp_work | heh he must be on windows |
| 19:22:08 | kergoth | fuck, i should buy a new stylus |
| 19:22:32 | oGMo | kergoth: get a multi-function pen |
| 19:22:41 | oGMo | they're much easier on the hands |
| 19:22:49 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:22:50 | ljp_work | I have a nice avantgo stylus/pen I got at the dev symposium :) |
| 19:22:51 | kergoth | i had one |
| 19:22:52 | kergoth | but i lost it |
| 19:23:05 | oGMo | d'oh |
| 19:23:05 | noidd | yo |
| 19:23:21 | kergoth | hey noidd |
| 19:24:02 | Twiun | hey noidd |
| 19:24:03 | wParam | wow... i've never seen a BSOD do that before |
| 19:24:22 | icefox | Bla Intersteller flames can't really run on a 5000D |
| 19:24:34 | noidd | heyas guys, hows it going? |
| 19:25:08 | Cloudchaser | pretty good.. listening to some radio stations.. trying out tkcradio |
| 19:25:12 | kergoth | eck |
| 19:25:15 | kergoth | goes berserk |
| 19:25:23 | noidd | whats up kergoth? |
| 19:25:33 | kergoth | bad day |
| 19:25:35 | Cloudchaser | sugar make kergoth a long island ice tea |
| 19:25:35 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 19:26:03 | kergoth | GAH |
| 19:26:08 | kergoth | networksetup still segfaults! |
| 19:26:09 | kergoth | dies |
| 19:26:28 | kergoth | checks his sanity from beyond the grave |
| 19:26:28 | icefox | ? |
| 19:26:39 | Wintre | Hm |
| 19:26:42 | icefox | wah? |
| 19:26:49 | Wintre | Shouldn't that recipe include quantities? |
| 19:26:52 | icefox | ponders |
| 19:27:01 | kergoth | icefox: let me confirm i'm not insane before pondering |
| 19:28:23 | kergoth | make -C build/opie/noncore/net/networksetup clean; make -C build/opie/noncore/net/networksetup/wlan clean |
| 19:28:45 | icefox | yah building the networksetup dir wont build the wlan dir |
| 19:29:19 | kergoth | i had it rebuild all of opie after my cvs up |
| 19:29:25 | kergoth | so this shouldnt be necessary, but just in case |
| 19:31:05 | chouimat | ok fat -> 21 second |
| 19:34:14 | chouimat | kergoth: found the solution for minix limit |
| 19:34:16 | treke | icefox: it should run on a 5000d, thats what Neo|Work has |
| 19:34:47 | chouimat | hi Snipah |
| 19:34:48 | kergoth | hey spencer |
| 19:35:06 | Snipah | hi |
| 19:35:18 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 19:35:18 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 19:35:30 | tux_mike | how come the french's press is freeer than the US's |
| 19:36:12 | chouimat | tux_mike: because french president can cheat their wife |
| 19:36:28 | tux_mike | i see |
| 19:38:09 | kergoth | rm -rf build/opie/noncore/net/networksetup; cd build/opie; CVS_PASSFILE=~/coding/userspace/buildroot/.cvspass cvs up -Pd; |
| 19:38:12 | ljp_work | ya know.. one of these days, I should get my z to see the internet |
| 19:39:04 | noidd | tux_mike: almost all press is freer than the US |
| 19:39:34 | tux_mike | now why is my cd-da cable tangled in my external cables |
| 19:39:52 | noidd | I wonder, for example they are reporting the almost 1000 people that are going to be killed in Russia within the next 2 hours |
| 19:40:13 | noidd | "All muslims and children may leave the building" |
| 19:40:33 | tux_mike | i wonder where my usb hub ran off to |
| 19:41:17 | tux_mike | here we go. |
| 19:42:27 | noidd | Oh, the guy bluebus who was on yesterday - his Zaurus arrived today |
| 19:42:41 | ljp_work | no, we only hear about nice news: "Martha's dog had 5 puppies yesterday" |
| 19:43:39 | noidd | hehe, or sniper-related issues of course |
| 19:43:50 | noidd | which is still pretty much story rank #2 in the UK |
| 19:47:44 | wParam | does it seem to anyone else that the world seems to be going down the crapper faster now than a decade ago? or is that just me starting to notice things? |
| 19:48:35 | kergoth | i think you're just staying to pay more attention |
| 19:48:43 | noidd | wParam: I think you're just paying more attention |
| 19:48:46 | wParam | yeah... that's probably it |
| 19:48:46 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:48:47 | Cloudchaser | yeah the world has sucked for years |
| 19:48:51 | wParam | hehe |
| 19:48:54 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 19:48:55 | kergoth | i think the world has always sucked |
| 19:49:00 | kergoth | sometimes more, sometimes less |
| 19:49:04 | kergoth | probably cyclical |
| 19:49:08 | kergoth | period of high suckiness |
| 19:49:15 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 19:49:48 | kergoth | "In other news, it looks like we're at the peak of the suckiness scale, and the world is bound to suck less sometime soon!" |
| 19:49:57 | noidd | wParam: I can show you quotes from an ancient egyption king who was dispairing of the attitude and disrepect of the "young" and how it was cauising his society to go to the dogs, heh |
| 19:50:06 | wParam | wow |
| 19:50:26 | noidd | We are going to see more terrorism tho over time, that isn't going to go away |
| 19:50:40 | Cloudchaser | yeah and look at all the wars in the name of religion throughout the ages |
| 19:51:02 | Cloudchaser | and the brutality of man is nothing new |
| 19:51:16 | noidd | exactly Cloudchaser |
| 19:51:18 | kergoth | of course |
| 19:51:24 | ljp_work | ya.. and not ONE war was started because of a software core dump! |
| 19:51:25 | noidd | look at the "Crusades" as the perfect example |
| 19:51:37 | kergoth | men are both brutal and savage, and loving and compassionate |
| 19:51:40 | kergoth | it makes us who we are |
| 19:51:42 | kergoth | balance. |
| 19:51:56 | wParam | to me is seems like a lot more of the former two than the latter two |
| 19:51:59 | kergoth | i wouldnt have it any other way |
| 19:52:02 | kergoth | i disagree |
| 19:52:10 | noidd | and Bush's "Crusade" against muslim terrorism - doh to the man without an international understanding of vocabularly |
| 19:52:47 | oGMo | wow, he actually said "crusade"? |
| 19:53:02 | kergoth | heh, thats pretty stupid if he did |
| 19:53:03 | ljp_work | ya. once |
| 19:53:03 | wParam | oh yes, the war on terrorism... giving the us gov't an excuse to restrict your rights, now and for years to come |
| 19:53:04 | noidd | oGMo: Yeah |
| 19:53:08 | kergoth | talk about alienating people |
| 19:53:10 | oGMo | oops :) |
| 19:53:14 | oGMo | yeah |
| 19:53:15 | kergoth | wParam: nothing new there |
| 19:53:28 | Cloudchaser | the crusadors were horribly brutal |
| 19:53:28 | Cloudchaser | and the romans weren't any gentler |
| 19:53:28 | Cloudchaser | ok are we thoroughly depressed yet? |
| 19:53:31 | Cloudchaser | i need a jimmy buffet internet radio station! |
| 19:53:33 | kergoth | "The natural tendency of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." -Thomas Jefferson |
| 19:53:39 | noidd | wParam: you wanna talk about restricted rights.. ask about the people who are being detained in Cuba |
| 19:53:55 | noidd | no evidence, no trial |
| 19:54:06 | wParam | yeah, I know |
| 19:54:10 | noidd | the most telling thing I heard was Donald Rumsfeld quote yesterday |
| 19:54:26 | ljp_work | human rights limbo |
| 19:55:01 | wParam | didn't mean to suggest that we've got it worse than them, just that things are going downhill |
| 19:55:03 | noidd | If we cant get any more intelegence out of them, and we don't need to keep them for health, or their "attitude", then we obviously want to get rid of them |
| 19:55:15 | noidd | wParam: I understand and agree completely |
| 19:55:18 | ljp_work | things would be much better of only sharp charged a normal proce for its serial cable ;) |
| 19:55:29 | wParam | holy crap, is that a quote? |
| 19:55:36 | ljp_work | price even |
| 19:55:38 | icefox | haha |
| 19:55:45 | icefox | found out why my ip was bounced |
| 19:55:56 | icefox | downloading redhat was more then the network could take |
| 19:56:04 | ljp_work | cause you didnt put any $$ in the ip bank? |
| 19:56:31 | icefox | that ftp server that i was downloading from was giving me 100K/s |
| 19:56:32 | icefox | hehe |
| 19:56:46 | wParam | anyhow, back to zaurus programming... i've had enough windows kernel stuff for one day |
| 19:56:53 | noidd | eww |
| 19:56:54 | icefox | eww |
| 19:57:01 | icefox | what is it like? |
| 19:57:08 | icefox | windows kernel programming? |
| 19:57:12 | wParam | when you get a bsod and it makes the sound card START playing you know it's time to stop for a bit |
| 19:57:17 | wParam | annoying, in a word |
| 19:57:20 | TDT | Hey all. Is there anythin for the zaurus that can show the exact battery power left? I get "good" or "bad" status, nothing more. |
| 19:57:26 | Coup-Laptop | LOL never managed that before wParam :) |
| 19:57:31 | icefox | do you only get api's? |
| 19:57:42 | wParam | pretty much |
| 19:57:49 | wParam | and you only get some of the api's |
| 19:57:56 | wParam | though people have figured out lots more, somehow |
| 19:58:03 | wParam | there's function names like SeMarkLogonSessionForTerminationNotification |
| 19:58:10 | wParam | that's the longest documented one |
| 19:58:20 | ljp_work | TDT: there's only 4 different battery levels |
| 19:58:28 | wParam | and lots of type names liek SUBJECT_SECURITY_CONTEXT |
| 19:58:57 | TDT | ljp: does the zaurus show all 4 statuses? I've used mine for quite a bit one day, and it never went down from "good" |
| 19:58:59 | wParam | basically lots of complex rules that are hard to follow, not well documented, and cause bsod's when broken |
| 19:59:07 | TDT | Nor did the battery level go down at all. |
| 19:59:26 | ljp_work | TDT: it wont until the level is low.. |
| 19:59:58 | wParam | of course the things i'm trying to do are DEFINITELY not within the rules, so I can't really complain about bsod's |
| 20:00:11 | kergoth | TDT: its basically "full", "low", "very low", and "pretty much dead" |
| 20:00:34 | TDT | kergoth: when it hits "low", about how much time would a person have left on the zaurus under normal uses? |
| 20:00:38 | treke | kergoth: is that a driver issue or hardware? |
| 20:00:57 | kergoth | treke: not certain. i *know* the driver is limited. i dont know about the hardware. speedy2 is working on that |
| 20:03:08 | benmeyer | yah, back as me |
| 20:03:26 | benmeyer | now I need to find some slow mirrors to download redhat from... |
| 20:03:52 | noidd | any reason for the "slow" aspect/ |
| 20:03:53 | noidd | ? |
| 20:04:06 | noidd | oh, is Sniper alive atm? |
| 20:04:33 | wParam | hmm, is there an easy way to play tones (like sin or square waves) on the z? (like a library or something?) or will i have to write to /dev/dsp manually? |
| 20:04:48 | benmeyer | yah, was away up until today |
| 20:06:00 | noidd | good - can fire a nerf projectile into his cube for me please :-) |
| 20:08:21 | noidd | Ok, 2700 SQUARE feet per second |
| 20:08:28 | noidd | can someone explain to me how that works |
| 20:09:28 | TDT | When the battery gets to the "low" point, is that about 1/2 of the battery use gone? or about how much time in general is left? |
| 20:09:33 | noidd | "A white box truck has been spotted with a rifle pointing out of it" |
| 20:09:53 | TDT | Also curious, I want to compile some JAVA applications on the zaurus, how can I do this from the command prompt. java and javac don't exist. |
| 20:10:01 | noidd | entire area is locked down and they trawl the traffic |
| 20:11:15 | Twiun | TDT: read up on the ZZ boards, Genepi just posted a howto link |
| 20:11:33 | Twiun | TDT: hope your french is up to scratch ;-) I haven't translated the howto yet |
| 20:11:43 | TDT | lol |
| 20:11:54 | TDT | in general how do I do it? just the basics will get me started |
| 20:12:12 | Twiun | TDT: you need a compiler - Kopi or Jikes will do |
| 20:12:43 | Twiun | TDT: and a class library, classes.zip from jdk1.1.8 or the gclasses from kopi |
| 20:13:24 | TDT | Will the compilers tell me where to stuff the classes files and stuff? or do I just stuff it with the compiler? |
| 20:13:44 | Twiun | TDT: have you compiled Java stuff before? |
| 20:14:40 | Twiun | TDT: because I wouldn't say that compiling for the Z is beginner territory :-) |
| 20:14:41 | TDT | y ep |
| 20:14:47 | TDT | I'm in java now |
| 20:14:53 | TDT | been using java for over a year now. |
| 20:15:14 | TDT | Usually i just install the java packages in linux, and away I go lol. |
| 20:16:21 | Twiun | TDT: hrmm... ever used the -classpath argument? |
| 20:17:13 | TDT | no, just javac <file.java> |
| 20:17:24 | TDT | But I can look up the command line arg, that's not a biggie. |
| 20:17:31 | Twiun | TDT: lol, you haven't waded very deep then ;-) |
| 20:18:06 | TDT | possibly :) but I personally don't liek java that much. I like C++ far better, and I just use java because it's required at my college. |
| 20:18:08 | Twiun | Jikes, I feel is the easiest compiler to get running |
| 20:18:19 | Twiun | example command line: |
| 20:18:26 | wParam | shudder... /me would rather use java than C++ |
| 20:18:42 | wParam | but I would take C over both of them anyway |
| 20:18:45 | Twiun | ./jikes -classpath /my/path/to/classes.zip myClass.java |
| 20:18:47 | Coup-AFK | :) |
| 20:18:47 | wParam | er, any day |
| 20:19:00 | Coup-AFK | i miss multiple inheritence when i code in java sometimes :) |
| 20:19:29 | Twiun | Coup: You can always structure your code around interfaces instead of concrete implementations |
| 20:19:45 | noidd | any peeps here know anything about US jusisdiction? |
| 20:19:47 | TDT | Twiun: sounds pretty easy. I'll have to work on that. |
| 20:19:53 | TDT | thank you. |
| 20:20:04 | Twiun | BUT *anyway* lets not start arguing about Java/C++/C ;-) |
| 20:20:17 | noidd | no, lets argue about parrot instead |
| 20:20:18 | wParam | good idea :) |
| 20:20:19 | Twiun | TDT: No worries - look up my faq too - or ask in here ;-) |
| 20:20:24 | | somebody said java faq was the Zaurus Java FAQ at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 20:20:24 | Twiun | ibot: java faq |
| 20:20:39 | wParam | a long loud argument that never gets anywhere |
| 20:20:45 | Twiun | lol |
| 20:20:54 | treke | noidd: I believe US jurisdiction is just about anything it decides to claim :) |
| 20:21:02 | Coup | Twium aye, i could :P |
| 20:21:17 | TDT | Saving this chat, class now |
| 20:21:18 | TDT | cya |
| 20:21:23 | Twiun | noidd: Or anything it thinks it can get away with - or bully into |
| 20:21:25 | Coup | adieu |
| 20:21:32 | noidd | treke: was a question bout this sniper thing.. havnt heard any news peeps comment on this yet. |
| 20:21:33 | kergoth | benmeyer: confirmed, still segfaults on my Z. |
| 20:21:52 | noidd | If someone does something across states - doesn't that make it federal juriustiction |
| 20:22:13 | noidd | and doesn't federal prosecution not have access to the death penalty |
| 20:22:36 | noidd | wondering if that is why the feds havnt taken over where it would have been vaugly obvious |
| 20:23:29 | treke | I'm pretty certain some federal prosecution can carry the death penalty. I'm pretty sure treason is both federal and a death penalty crime |
| 20:24:42 | noidd | treke: 1st degree murder/ |
| 20:24:43 | noidd | ? |
| 20:25:03 | treke | dont know off hand |
| 20:25:22 | Twiun | noidd: btw, is sticking a postage stamp upside down in the uk (stamps have the Queen's likeness on them) still a treasonable offense? |
| 20:25:36 | noidd | Of course, if he is of middle eastern origin the president can declare him a "forign combatent" and send him to Cuba |
| 20:26:51 | noidd | Twiun: not sure, wouldn't surprise me if it came from the defacement laws |
| 20:27:07 | noidd | but the royal mail frank over the top of the stamps... so I would have thought that would have counted |
| 20:27:09 | Twiun | lol... coins too then ;-) |
| 20:27:43 | noidd | Oh yeah - those machines that take coins and flatten and turn them into souveneers were illegal up until a few years ago |
| 20:28:12 | benmeyer | Man after the whole network anoyance I finish downloadin disk 1 and the md5sum is wrong! |
| 20:28:36 | noidd | the death penalty is still here in the UK for treason and "Conspiricy to cause an explosion in one of her mags dockyards" |
| 20:28:42 | kergoth | benmeyer: ack |
| 20:28:51 | noidd | benmayer++ # checks his sums |
| 20:29:05 | benmeyer | haha :-D always |
| 20:29:17 | benmeyer | I maintian the local Sharp repository of linux isos |
| 20:29:28 | benmeyer | so people then download it from my box |
| 20:29:46 | benmeyer | so I need to check it at my machine to make sure I don't pass on bad isos |
| 20:30:11 | noidd | seems reasonable |
| 20:34:02 | arnold | hi |
| 20:34:12 | noidd | ello arnold |
| 20:34:39 | arnold | hi noidd |
| 20:35:23 | noidd | hows life in your cube in sharpville today? |
| 20:35:56 | arnold | life is good |
| 20:36:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:39:17 | Snipah | hi arnold |
| 20:39:44 | Twiun | hey Sniper |
| 20:39:49 | Sniper | hi twiun.. |
| 20:39:53 | | Sniper: what? |
| 20:39:53 | Sniper | ibot Arnold |
| 20:39:58 | | rumour has it sniper is Sharp's extremely dedicated Sr. Janitor |
| 20:39:58 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 20:40:08 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 20:40:18 | | OK, Sniper. |
| 20:40:18 | Sniper | ibot arnold is the man behind the Zaurus |
| 20:40:22 | | i think Arnold is the man behind the Zaurus |
| 20:40:22 | Sniper | ibot Arnold |
| 20:40:37 | ljp_work | Dr Arnold Zaurus? |
| 20:40:44 | arnold | Sniper is the secret weapon |
| 20:40:47 | arnold | this is no lie |
| 20:40:59 | benmeyer | hi arnold |
| 20:41:14 | benmeyer | hi spider |
| 20:41:16 | Sniper | /whois arnold |
| 20:41:19 | benmeyer | where is jason? |
| 20:41:23 | JasonNJ | yo. |
| 20:41:25 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:41:27 | Sniper | jason is there, too! |
| 20:41:29 | benmeyer | Sharp conference |
| 20:41:42 | JasonNJ | hey sniper you have been gone for several days |
| 20:41:45 | Sniper | i just showed arnold the #zaurus channel |
| 20:41:57 | Sniper | jason: ive been going with Raj trying to sell units |
| 20:42:04 | JasonNJ | sniper: you MIGHT want to change your nickname, you know |
| 20:42:20 | noidd | define "the man behind" |
| 20:42:23 | prpplague | Sniper: slap raj in the head, he never called me |
| 20:42:27 | Sniper | jason: you know - i had this nick name before this stuf happened |
| 20:42:44 | benmeyer | noidd: product planer |
| 20:42:44 | JasonNJ | thats sniper with a chinese accent |
| 20:42:49 | Twiun | lol |
| 20:43:02 | | Arnold is, like, the man behind the Zaurus |
| 20:43:02 | Snipah | ibot Arnold |
| 20:43:19 | Snipah | sugar make arnold an irish coffee |
| 20:43:19 | Sugar | pours some irish coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to arnold. |
| 20:43:21 | benmeyer | Sniper: they took down boxzdev because I was downloading redhat8.0 too fast |
| 20:43:21 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:43:28 | benmeyer | had to call up IT |
| 20:43:31 | noidd | most excellent - so we could ask lots of product planning questions which he can reply "No Comment" to :-) |
| 20:43:32 | prpplague | doh |
| 20:43:33 | chouimat|busy | Snipah: hi whats new |
| 20:43:34 | Snipah | ben: who took it down?? MIS? |
| 20:43:44 | Snipah | chouimat: hey! long time.. |
| 20:43:47 | JasonNJ | they blackholed our IP |
| 20:44:00 | chouimat|busy | Snipah: vacation? |
| 20:44:01 | Snipah | ARE YOU SERIOUS?? how did they know? did they call you? |
| 20:44:02 | benmeyer | it is fixed now, but it was amusing non-less |
| 20:44:06 | Snipah | chouimat: no - show |
| 20:44:15 | prpplague | Snipah: is Raj with you? |
| 20:44:28 | Neo|Work | never seen arnold before. :P |
| 20:44:40 | Neo|Work | quite amazing to have 4 ppl from sharpsec here at once. heh |
| 20:44:41 | Snipah | prpplauge: no - do you know Raj? |
| 20:45:15 | prpplague | Snipah: ya, i've been talking to him a little about my barcode scanner backpack i've been designing for the z |
| 20:45:19 | ljp_work | heh 4.. thats probably all thats employed for the zaurus |
| 20:45:36 | chouimat|busy | Neo|Work: have a good reading last night? :) |
| 20:45:57 | Snipah | prpplauge: what company are you with? |
| 20:46:03 | Neo|Work | chouimat|busy: actually, it was more to the benefit of my friend, who'll be doing all/any asm optimizations |
| 20:46:11 | Neo|Work | or to be exact, he's mr engine, I'm mr the rest |
| 20:49:51 | JasonNJ | snipah: so are you rooming with raj? |
| 20:53:12 | Snipah | jason: im back in NJ |
| 20:53:29 | prpplague | Snipah: http://www.abcsinc.com |
| 20:53:39 | prpplague | Snipah: we do unix based accounting system |
| 20:53:53 | prpplague | Snipah: i do the thin clients and handheld dev |
| 20:54:04 | Snipah | prpplague: oh ok - i sent you an email - you need to send me back the NDA so i can send you some doc |
| 20:54:40 | prpplague | Snipah: ahh, lol, ya i didn't realize the info i need was on the zaurus dev site |
| 20:55:19 | Snipah | prpplague: ok- if you need the deep stuff, i'll need an NDA and i have more detailed doc |
| 20:55:21 | prpplague | Snipah: i've already got a prototype working, currently i'm getting a nice case milled to test with |
| 20:55:28 | prpplague | Snipah: understood |
| 21:00:47 | Snipah | prpplauge: when can i see a sample? |
| 21:01:25 | benmeyer | wee, 5:00 time to start another redhat iso download! |
| 21:06:51 | prpplague | Snipah: i'm currently in barbados and won't be back until the first of november, raj indicated he wanted to come down and have a look sometime towards the end of the month |
| 21:07:16 | Cloudchaser | wants to be in barbados |
| 21:07:35 | Cloudchaser | its warm there ;) |
| 21:08:00 | noidd | prpplague: Hmmm, tax haven :-D |
| 21:08:14 | noidd | although tax havens are useless to US citizens :-( |
| 21:09:01 | prpplague | noidd: not in barbados, they have extradition here, now...nassau in the bahamas is a different story |
| 21:09:12 | prpplague | Snipah: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F004%5F010%5F000%5F000&product%5Fid=23%2D338 |
| 21:09:20 | zecke | treke|home: ping |
| 21:09:41 | prpplague | Snipah: thats the battery i'm currently using, i'm getting about 8 hours on the z with 802.11b card and scanner |
| 21:10:03 | Snipah | wow! is this for the jacket? |
| 21:10:05 | prpplague | Snipah: closer to 12 with the 802.11b |
| 21:10:11 | prpplague | Snipah: ya |
| 21:10:25 | Snipah | prpplauge: i remember seeing screenshots.. when do you expect to sell this? |
| 21:10:43 | treke | zecke: ping |
| 21:10:47 | prpplague | Snipah: target is 2nd quarter of next year |
| 21:11:20 | prpplague | Snipah: our main problem is i don't have a reliable source for injection molding |
| 21:11:21 | zecke | treke: ok. I added inline editing of summaries but it's not possible for you to use it though |
| 21:11:28 | treke | ok |
| 21:11:34 | Cloudchaser | 12 hours battery on the z?? |
| 21:11:36 | zecke | treke: the signle clicks comes before the double click(inline editing) |
| 21:11:39 | Snipah | prpplauge: that late, huh? |
| 21:11:47 | zecke | treke: and on single click I show the task at row() |
| 21:12:24 | prpplague | Snipah: i'd like to see it sooner, but again injection molding is a big ticket item |
| 21:12:37 | Snipah | prpplauge: how much does that cost? |
| 21:12:47 | prpplague | Snipah: if i can find a pactec case that fits i'll go with that |
| 21:12:51 | Snipah | prpplauge: will you be able to get me a sample so i can show people here and potential customers? |
| 21:13:05 | prpplague | Snipah: sure |
| 21:13:11 | treke | zecke: Another thing I might wish list is striking through the summarys of completed jobs |
| 21:13:50 | zecke | treke: strike through painted? |
| 21:13:58 | zecke | treke: once I've the SettingsDialog... |
| 21:15:12 | treke | zecke: yeah strike through painted |
| 21:15:34 | zecke | treke: not in default ;) |
| 21:15:54 | treke | :) I could live without it |
| 21:17:07 | treke | zecke: I also think you should move the "Completed tasks" and "Show Deadline" menus from the options menu to view |
| 21:18:44 | zecke | treke: please file a bug |
| 21:18:57 | treke | ok |
| 21:19:54 | Cloudchaser | brrr |
| 21:20:08 | Cloudchaser | going to get to 30s/20s tonight |
| 21:20:34 | Cloudchaser | i'm not ready for winter |
| 21:21:08 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: me neither. i'm glad theres no snow on the ground that doesnt melt right away yet |
| 21:21:29 | Cloudchaser | maybe i oughta look for a job in florida |
| 21:21:38 | Cloudchaser | or the caribbean |
| 21:21:39 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 21:22:00 | prpplague | later folks |
| 21:22:05 | Cloudchaser | bye |
| 21:22:26 | Cloudchaser | so he's making battery pack for the z it sounds like.. that will be very cool |
| 21:25:07 | Snipah | has anyone tried to port airsnort to the Z? |
| 21:38:00 | noidd | Cloudchaser: he is making a barscanner |
| 21:49:41 | Cloudchaser | noidd: oh |
| 21:49:50 | Cloudchaser | well how is he getting 12 hours on his z then? |
| 21:50:07 | xml0 | how do you reduce the font size in opera? |
| 21:51:37 | xml0 | bit hard reading slashdot when you have to scroll all the time |
| 21:52:15 | wParam | try www.slashdot.org/palm |
| 21:52:32 | Cloudchaser | the magnifying glass if its opera on the z |
| 21:53:12 | chouimat|busy | who's getting 12 hrs with his z? |
| 21:53:25 | Cloudchaser | i thought prpplague said he was |
| 21:53:32 | xml0 | thanks both! |
| 21:53:43 | xml0 | I'm just blown away with this zaurus |
| 21:54:05 | Bovine | ties xml0 down so he doesn't get blown too far |
| 21:54:11 | xml0 | especially walking along the street with kismet running :) |
| 21:54:15 | xml0 | cheers |
| 21:54:22 | noidd | Cloudchaser: part of his design is a bigger battery I belive |
| 21:54:47 | noidd | you really need to ask him about the specifics, I know nothing more |
| 21:54:56 | Cloudchaser | well wouldn't that work for all of us? i'll ask him next time i see him |
| 22:00:08 | br33zy | does hotplug work with serial ports? |
| 22:03:09 | kergoth | br33zy: ? |
| 22:03:18 | br33zy | does hotplug work with serial ports? |
| 22:03:19 | br33zy | heh |
| 22:03:24 | kergoth | why? |
| 22:03:28 | kergoth | wouldnt make much sense |
| 22:03:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:03:31 | br33zy | just wondering |
| 22:03:40 | br33zy | is it made for usb ports only? |
| 22:04:08 | kergoth | hotplug can be used for more than just usb |
| 22:04:11 | kergoth | pcmcia/cf |
| 22:04:12 | kergoth | pci |
| 22:04:30 | kergoth | but i dont believe serial is something thats hotplugged. i mean, the serial ports are on the sa1110, they arent being removed anytime soon |
| 22:04:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:04:50 | wParam | pci? |
| 22:05:11 | wParam | as in pull out a pci card while the system si running? |
| 22:05:18 | kergoth | pci hotplug is a compaq thing, on special boxes |
| 22:05:21 | kergoth | not normal machines |
| 22:05:22 | kergoth | yes |
| 22:05:22 | wParam | oh, ok |
| 22:05:27 | kergoth | as in pull out a pci card while its running |
| 22:05:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:05:39 | br33zy | i mean on a normal systemm |
| 22:05:47 | kergoth | br33zy: ? |
| 22:05:47 | br33zy | can hotplug detect serial ports |
| 22:05:55 | kergoth | br33zy: serial ports from where? |
| 22:05:59 | br33zy | you know |
| 22:06:02 | br33zy | i plug in a serial cable |
| 22:06:05 | br33zy | inside the computer |
| 22:06:05 | kergoth | br33zy: your onboard serial ports arent being unplugged |
| 22:06:06 | kergoth | nono |
| 22:06:07 | kergoth | you dont get it |
| 22:06:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:06:12 | treke | kergoth: he means can you plug something into a serial port and have hotplug detect it |
| 22:06:17 | kergoth | hotplug is removing and attaching the *device* |
| 22:06:17 | br33zy | right |
| 22:06:21 | br33zy | i know |
| 22:06:24 | kergoth | not a *peripheral using the device* |
| 22:06:25 | br33zy | i meant what treke said |
| 22:06:26 | br33zy | i meant what treke said |
| 22:06:27 | br33zy | i meant what treke said |
| 22:06:27 | kergoth | no, you dont |
| 22:06:32 | kergoth | and it doesnt do that |
| 22:06:34 | treke | br33zy: Well that doesnt work |
| 22:06:35 | kergoth | as i just said |
| 22:06:37 | br33zy | ok |
| 22:06:49 | br33zy | so hotplug doesnt work with serial devices? |
| 22:06:49 | kergoth | it decents plugging in a *serial port*, not a *device to a serial port* |
| 22:06:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:06:53 | kergoth | dood |
| 22:06:57 | kergoth | you dont understand what hotplug is for |
| 22:06:58 | kergoth | read up |
| 22:07:00 | kergoth | comprehend |
| 22:07:02 | kergoth | get back to me |
| 22:07:12 | br33zy | ok |
| 22:07:14 | br33zy | let me rephrase |
| 22:07:25 | treke | br33zy: it doesnt do what you are thinking of |
| 22:07:47 | kergoth | look. if there was a way to pop out the serial UART off your motherboard, and plug it in at will, *thats* hotplug |
| 22:07:58 | kergoth | pci hotplug could pick up the insertion of a video card |
| 22:08:04 | treke | br33zy: it cant detect when you plug a cable into to serial port on your computer |
| 22:08:05 | kergoth | not plugging in a monitor to a video card |
| 22:08:07 | kergoth | same deal |
| 22:08:09 | br33zy | ding ding |
| 22:08:11 | br33zy | there |
| 22:08:13 | br33zy | that helps |
| 22:08:19 | kergoth | what helps? |
| 22:08:23 | br33zy | what treke said |
| 22:08:28 | kergoth | yeah, he told you what you wanted to hear |
| 22:08:33 | kergoth | i was trying to make you actually comprehend |
| 22:08:35 | br33zy | yup |
| 22:08:38 | kergoth | but its obviously futile |
| 22:08:42 | br33zy | right.. |
| 22:14:37 | tux_mike | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=669 creepy |
| 22:15:22 | wParam | dah! |
| 22:15:29 | wParam | but WHY? |
| 22:15:55 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:16:38 | noidd | sharp++ # bluebus' Zaurus he bought yesterday came with ROM 2.39 |
| 22:17:08 | treke | tux_mike: eeeeeeew |
| 22:17:26 | treke | god thats got to be slow |
| 22:17:47 | wParam | that's what i'm wondering: how fast (or not) is bochs |
| 22:17:47 | kergoth | win9x in bochs on a zaurus |
| 22:17:52 | kergoth | slowww |
| 22:17:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:18:00 | noidd | you serious? lol |
| 22:18:05 | wParam | like does it play scorched earth like an 86, 286, or 386 |
| 22:18:23 | kergoth | scorched earth sucked on a 386 if you had a math co. |
| 22:18:45 | Harlekin | kergoth: is there a port arround yet? |
| 22:18:49 | kergoth | good question |
| 22:18:50 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:19:01 | kergoth | someone mentioned they were working on such a game |
| 22:19:02 | kergoth | i want one |
| 22:19:19 | tux_mike | damnit redhat. they didn't build the proper 3c905b drivers |
| 22:19:25 | wParam | i'm still looking for a space-invaders clone, too |
| 22:19:33 | tux_mike | and i've been at 10mbps half duplex all this time |
| 22:20:39 | zecke | kergoth: ping |
| 22:20:55 | zecke | kergoth: is it safe to define _GNU_SOURCE on retail rom? |
| 22:21:05 | mark | the a300 does do java doesnt it? |
| 22:21:16 | kergoth | zecke: afaik yes, i havent touched the sharp rom in some time :) |
| 22:23:56 | treke | thinks he might be able to fix inline editing in opie-todo |
| 22:27:34 | xml0 | anyone recommend an irc client for the z? |
| 22:27:50 | treke | opieirc and zic are nice |
| 22:28:54 | xml0 | thx |
| 22:30:36 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:32:43 | xml0 | hmm, trying to download the zik ipc in opera but it opens it instead of downloading. how do I solve that? |
| 22:33:12 | kergoth | xml0: copy teh url. run embeddedkonsole. wget [paste] |
| 22:33:28 | xml0 | cheers |
| 22:37:32 | ||ugh | man ipsec_verfiy |
| 22:37:33 | ||ugh | No manual entry for ipsec_verfiy |
| 22:37:50 | kergoth | having fun yet |
| 22:37:56 | ||ugh | Whoops! Sorry folks, wrong window! |
| 22:38:08 | treke | hmm. That didnt work. Looks like its handling its own mouse press events :) |
| 22:39:10 | _OzzY_ | hey all |
| 22:39:33 | _OzzY_ | I have just bought a zaurus and want to conenct it to the internet through the USB cradle connected to a win XP computer |
| 22:39:39 | _OzzY_ | how can I go aboutthis? |
| 22:39:56 | | well, howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 22:39:56 | kergoth | ibot howto |
| 22:40:01 | kergoth | read |
| 22:52:39 | | rumour has it xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 22:52:39 | noidd | ibot, tell me about xcompile |
| 22:52:59 | noidd | interesting. That was not my predicted behaviour |
| 23:06:04 | xml0 | can I generate a comma from the keyboard somehow? |
| 23:09:54 | DaJoker | xml0: sure.. hit the comma key |
| 23:10:20 | Cloudchaser | xml0: not that i know of but if you find out, let me know! |
| 23:10:20 | Cloudchaser | kinda crazy that its missing |
| 23:10:21 | Cloudchaser | what comma key? |
| 23:10:47 | wParam | the one next to the m? |
| 23:10:55 | Cloudchaser | oh duh |
| 23:11:02 | Cloudchaser | i musta looked for it a hundred times ;) |
| 23:11:10 | Cloudchaser | thanks ;) |
| 23:11:11 | wParam | hehe :) |
| 23:11:52 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:11:56 | Cloudchaser | feels sillly now ;) |
| 23:16:56 | _OzzY_ | hello (again) |
| 23:17:34 | _OzzY_ | could some one help me conenct my zaurus to my T68 to use the mobile phone as a GPRS modem? |
| 23:20:11 | tez | Hi all |
| 23:20:18 | br33zy | hi tez |
| 23:20:43 | tez | Anyone here happen to know a good place to buy a Zaurus in the UK? |
| 23:21:00 | _OzzY_ | I just got mine from tottenham court road |
| 23:21:08 | tez | How much? |
| 23:21:12 | noidd | tez: I got mine from tcr too |
| 23:21:14 | _OzzY_ | got a good deal, £360 with free 64MB CF card |
| 23:21:21 | _OzzY_ | so it has 128MB |
| 23:21:35 | tez | That sounds alright. |
| 23:21:35 | noidd | got mine 100 quid off RRP |
| 23:21:44 | _OzzY_ | but I want to use my T68 with it as a GPRS modem but I don't know how |
| 23:21:52 | Neo|Work | hrm. designer 3 seems a lot more complete than the one in the SDK for Qtopia |
| 23:21:56 | tez | noidd: Please, enlighten me :-) |
| 23:22:23 | tez | What's the RRP, 400quid? |
| 23:23:01 | _OzzY_ | on my box it has a price sticker for £499 but I don't recall them ever being that much |
| 23:23:05 | noidd | I bought mine bout 4 months ago |
| 23:23:15 | _OzzY_ | cheapest I have seen is £360 (on dabs and in Lonond) |
| 23:23:24 | noidd | rrp was 500 quid then, i paid 400 |
| 23:23:40 | noidd | you'll e able to get it a LOT cheaper now - price was dropped 2-3 weeks ago |
| 23:23:57 | tez | Yeah, I saw some online quote for 300quid. |
| 23:24:15 | noidd | prices I gave were inc VAT |
| 23:24:33 | alp | just got mine 300 dollars from the US, mail order |
| 23:24:38 | noidd | I bought it from Sunrise Telecom, do you want their phone number? |
| 23:24:57 | Bovine | noidd: that's in the UK? |
| 23:24:58 | tez | alp: Shipped to the UK? |
| 23:25:09 | noidd | Thats in Tottenham Court Road |
| 23:25:10 | alp | tez: yep, still saved a bundle after shipping |
| 23:25:18 | tez | How was shipping? |
| 23:25:19 | Bovine | ahhh, probably knocked off then :) |
| 23:25:22 | tez | lol |
| 23:25:33 | Bovine | got a number or URL for the place? |
| 23:25:45 | Bovine | or is in a dodgy ally way of tcr? :) |
| 23:26:11 | alp | 75 dollars or thereabouts |
| 23:26:31 | noidd | Sure |
| 23:26:45 | noidd | 0207 323 3243 |
| 23:26:45 | oGMo | does OZ run as a regular user now? |
| 23:26:53 | noidd | I've bought 2 Zaurus' from them |
| 23:27:02 | Bovine | £300 a piece? |
| 23:27:13 | noidd | They were 100 quid less than EVERY other vendor on tcr |
| 23:27:33 | noidd | I'm sure they would have dropped their prices with the price cut 3 weeks ago |
| 23:27:44 | Bovine | I managed to snarf mine for £230 barnd new off ebay :) |
| 23:27:49 | noidd | I'm tempted to find out actually |
| 23:28:04 | Bovine | what's the name of the place? |
| 23:28:44 | noidd | Sunrise Telecom Ltd |
| 23:28:57 | noidd | heading north on the right, halfway ish. |
| 23:29:30 | Bovine | heh, well I'm in gloucester so it's a bit south from me :D |
| 23:30:31 | tez | Well, I live in Russell Square, so I might go for a browse tomorrow! |
| 23:30:54 | noidd | tez: now that is an interesting place to live! |
| 23:31:08 | noidd | tez: now that is an interesting place to live! |
| 23:31:23 | tez | Both times |
| 23:31:55 | tez | It's not *that* interesting. |
| 23:32:59 | noidd | I like it there |
| 23:33:47 | tez | Oh, it's very pleasant. |
| 23:38:24 | tez | Well, thanks for the tips guys. |
| 23:42:07 | Coup-Z | woot! irc from the Z :) |
| 23:42:13 | Coup-Laptop | :) |
