| 00:01:51 | | i think oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 00:01:51 | mrwoody | ibot:oz prerelease |
| 00:02:58 | mrwoody | i am trying to use hotplug... but it works only the first time that i use it (then i need to reboot it) |
| 00:03:46 | kergoth | mrwoody: reboot what? |
| 00:04:02 | mrwoody | kergoth: the linux box |
| 00:04:28 | kergoth | weird |
| 00:04:36 | kergoth | what distro? |
| 00:05:04 | mrwoody | debian |
| 00:05:27 | kergoth | what kernel? |
| 00:05:31 | mrwoody | yes it is weird... also because /var/log/messages doesn't show many diff from the first time and the second |
| 00:05:33 | kergoth | i'm using debian unstable with hotplug with no probs |
| 00:05:37 | mrwoody | .19 |
| 00:05:43 | mrwoody | kergoth: i am using sid |
| 00:05:56 | mrwoody | you can unplug it as many times as you want? |
| 00:05:58 | kergoth | same here |
| 00:05:58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:07:34 | mrwoody | i have followed ben's advice to recompile the kernel and use "set "usbd > network class" to 2. " |
| 00:07:41 | mrwoody | kergoth: before it didn't work at all |
| 00:07:50 | kergoth | the class needs to be 3 |
| 00:07:54 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:08:06 | mrwoody | kergoth: really? |
| 00:08:09 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:08:11 | mrwoody | what is the difference? |
| 00:08:12 | kergoth | its not in the howto |
| 00:08:16 | kergoth | but it should be |
| 00:08:19 | kergoth | leave the subclass blank |
| 00:08:23 | kergoth | but class needs to be 3 |
| 00:08:48 | mrwoody | yep... and it looks like also ben's email is wrong)... thanks for the hint... i will try that |
| 00:08:53 | kergoth | np |
| 00:08:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:08:58 | kergoth | i emailed it to bed |
| 00:08:59 | kergoth | ben |
| 00:09:13 | mrwoody | yep... |
| 00:09:27 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 00:09:29 | mrwoody | now i am having problem to use the Z to connect to the internet ... it seems dead |
| 00:09:30 | kergoth | i was supposed to be out of work |
| 00:09:31 | kergoth | an hour ago |
| 00:09:45 | mrwoody | :-) |
| 00:10:11 | mrwoody | kergoth: what time would we have oz3? |
| 00:10:30 | kergoth | whenever we get the web stuff oriented |
| 00:10:42 | kergoth | we're getting the download page up |
| 00:10:44 | kergoth | and the faq system up |
| 00:11:02 | mrwoody | is it normal that it takes at least 10 seconds to ssh to my zaurus? |
| 00:49:31 | mark | is away: sleep |
| 01:07:45 | untorn | I like learning how to program methinks |
| 01:25:39 | untorn | thinks everyone is hitting the code hard tonight |
| 01:51:59 | treke|home | http://portabase.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:59:19 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/faq/browse.php vs. http://www.themastermind1.net/syslab/index.php <-- which one looks better? |
| 02:02:51 | untorn | http://www.themastermind1.net/syslab/index.php |
| 02:03:03 | untorn | at first glance |
| 02:04:52 | treke|home | http://www.themastermind1.net/syslab/index.php |
| 02:22:10 | HMS | Greetings |
| 02:22:46 | ljp | hi |
| 02:30:04 | wParam | does anyone know why console apps tend to terminate when you suspend the z? |
| 02:30:35 | kergoth | wParam: they didnt install a signal handler for SIGSTOP or SIGCONT |
| 02:30:43 | kergoth | wParam: a signal is sent to show a suspend and resume |
| 02:31:08 | wParam | ooohh, i see. how do I install a signal handler? is that the signal () function? |
| 02:31:11 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:31:13 | kergoth | man signal |
| 02:31:23 | wParam | coo. thanks |
| 02:31:25 | kergoth | np |
| 02:35:00 | Pentad | Kergoth: got a sec? |
| 02:35:12 | kergoth | Pentad: yep, whats up |
| 02:35:59 | Pentad | I complied bochs for X on the Z and it wants me to install the vga font but I'm not sure which dir to put it in on the Z. The instructions |
| 02:36:06 | Pentad | point to a dir we don't have. :-) |
| 02:36:11 | kergoth | what do the instructions point to |
| 02:36:36 | Pentad | cp font/vga.pcf font-path-here/misc |
| 02:36:41 | tux_mike | kergoth: you done with your discussions yet? :) |
| 02:36:48 | Pentad | How about /home/root/usr/local/fonts? |
| 02:37:22 | kergoth | tux_mike: ugh yes. the web stuff is well on its way |
| 02:37:27 | kergoth | tux_mike: but |
| 02:37:36 | kergoth | tux_mike: ben's networksetup app still segfaults.. he thought he fixed it, its not fixed |
| 02:37:47 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 02:37:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: so the release gets held off till its fixed. and we keep improving the docs to prepare for the release |
| 02:37:55 | tux_mike | that could be a problem |
| 02:43:13 | treke|home | gnnn, portabase is pretty cool |
| 02:43:35 | treke|home | its no rekall, but it seems usefull |
| 02:44:53 | wParam | gah! earlier today the whole program was crashing when I suspended it in mid-mp3, now it's fine |
| 02:45:06 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:45:41 | zaurus | anyone here dissatisfied with their Enfora PocketSpider IIc Modem |
| 02:45:58 | kergoth | zaurus: i think you need a more creative nickname :) |
| 02:46:01 | zaurus | thinkin about buying one |
| 02:47:50 | wParam | buries his head in his hands |
| 02:48:01 | wParam | I bet tomorrow when I take it to class it'll start crashing again |
| 02:49:20 | wParam | it prints [3]+ Stopped to the console but keeps on going regardless |
| 02:49:30 | wParam | unless playing from cf was what's messing it up |
| 02:49:50 | kergoth | wParam: it wouldnt surprise me if access to files on the cf didnt survive a suspend |
| 02:51:01 | wParam | hmm |
| 02:57:07 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 02:58:42 | Bones3D | wow, I didn't know pentad came here too... I probably would have said something if I noticed him. *chuckle* |
| 02:58:51 | wParam | yeah, the compact flash seems to be the problem. though why it makes madplay AND my process crash i can't imagine |
| 03:03:26 | wParam | ok. time to play "fun with qpe::grabKeyboard ()" |
| 03:45:02 | mrwoody | join #openzaurus |
| 03:56:01 | Cloudchaser | hullo.. |
| 03:56:53 | kergoth | hey cloud |
| 03:56:59 | kergoth | we almost released openzaurus 3.0 today |
| 03:57:00 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:57:18 | Lone | Almost? |
| 03:57:27 | Cloudchaser | cool! ...almost? |
| 03:57:31 | DaWorm | almost/ |
| 03:57:35 | DaWorm | why almost? |
| 03:57:48 | kergoth | well |
| 03:57:57 | kergoth | ben thought he had the new networksetup's segfault bug fixed |
| 03:58:00 | kergoth | but it turns out it isnt |
| 03:58:07 | kergoth | so we're stuck waiting for that to get fixed |
| 03:58:10 | kergoth | everything else is solid |
| 03:58:14 | kergoth | best release to date |
| 03:58:17 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 03:58:41 | Cloudchaser | very nice kergoth :} |
| 03:58:51 | DaWorm | 3 beers for you |
| 03:58:51 | Cloudchaser | hello BZFlag |
| 03:58:59 | untorn | precongrats kergoth |
| 03:59:02 | kergoth | untorn: hah |
| 03:59:11 | kergoth | hopefully we can get this out tomorrow |
| 03:59:15 | kergoth | its all hinging on that one bug |
| 03:59:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:59:28 | Cloudchaser | good luck with it kergoth :) |
| 03:59:40 | kergoth | thanks |
| 03:59:44 | DaWorm | i'd say hide that bug and releaase 3.0 anyway :) |
| 03:59:45 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:59:51 | DaWorm | and just make a service pack a day after |
| 03:59:52 | DaWorm | ehhehe |
| 03:59:52 | kergoth | noda wrote a sweet php driven faq system for openzaurus.org |
| 03:59:59 | kergoth | so thats going up soon |
| 04:00:03 | kergoth | openzaurus.org is finally up |
| 04:00:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:00:18 | kergoth | not much content there yet, but its all on the way |
| 04:00:44 | noda | :) |
| 04:00:52 | noda | openzaurus.org/oz_website for the new stuff :) |
| 04:00:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:01:08 | kergoth | beats apmd into submission |
| 04:01:12 | kergoth | damnit, i'm sick of atd |
| 04:01:15 | kergoth | it must go away |
| 04:01:22 | DaWorm | 2.9.5.5 |
| 04:02:27 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/buildroot/anno/ChangeLog@1.7??nav=index.html|src/. |
| 04:02:36 | kergoth | ^^-2.9.5.5->3.0 changelog |
| 04:02:40 | kergoth | though its still not complete |
| 04:03:30 | chouimat | sends some tylenol to kergoth |
| 04:03:52 | DaWorm | got to admit its getting better, its getting better all the time |
| 04:03:58 | DaWorm | heh |
| 04:04:04 | kergoth | thanks chouimat :) |
| 04:04:20 | kergoth | DaWorm: opie is improving rapidly. its amazing |
| 04:04:55 | DaWorm | yah |
| 04:05:07 | DaWorm | its borg-like |
| 04:05:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:07:35 | DaWorm | ben has been with oz ever since? |
| 04:07:48 | kergoth | ever since what? |
| 04:07:54 | kergoth | ben meyer? hes using sharp rom for testing |
| 04:08:13 | kergoth | he used to have two Z's, oz on one of them, but that had to be sent to someone |
| 04:08:49 | DaWorm | yeah because i know he's a sharp guy |
| 04:09:02 | DaWorm | so i would be surprised if he contributes to oz |
| 04:09:08 | DaWorm | but then again, not really |
| 04:10:27 | kergoth | DaWorm: he has contributed opie-backup, opie-networksetup, opie-tabmanager, to opie |
| 04:10:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:10:36 | kergoth | DaWorm: he wrote those |
| 04:11:00 | kergoth | geh |
| 04:11:00 | kergoth | damnit |
| 04:11:02 | kergoth | dies |
| 04:11:14 | Cloudchaser | pats kergoth |
| 04:11:27 | DaWorm | oh well there goes kergoth, rip |
| 04:11:58 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thanks |
| 04:12:03 | kergoth | I'm sick of using atd |
| 04:12:08 | kergoth | i dont get why sharp/lineo went with it |
| 04:12:10 | Cloudchaser | erase it! |
| 04:12:11 | kergoth | its absolute crap |
| 04:12:15 | kergoth | not even familiar uses it anymore |
| 04:12:19 | kergoth | and it was one of their guys that wrote it |
| 04:12:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:12:30 | kergoth | stabs lineo with a sharp metal object |
| 04:12:40 | WormLunch | sharp |
| 04:12:41 | WormLunch | hehe |
| 04:13:00 | kergoth | no pun intended |
| 04:13:01 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:13:44 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:13:50 | kergoth | night chouimat|Zzzz |
| 04:16:53 | tux_mike | hrmnmm |
| 04:17:45 | tux_mike | perhaps a second opinion may help me figure this one out. Anyone here have any thoughts on how to securley authorize a specfic machine? |
| 04:20:19 | noda | tux_mike: Er, more background maybe? |
| 04:20:33 | noda | tux_mike: ssl or gpg perhaps? |
| 04:20:54 | noda | (gpg more for a specific user, but it's So Cool!) |
| 04:22:08 | tux_mike | well, i'm trying to come up with an enterprise level auth/directory service/file service. authorizing a user is easy, but i can't seem to figure out how to authenticate a machine. i need to figure out a way to say "The machine with xyz as their credentials is THIS machine and THIS machine only." |
| 04:23:04 | noda | Heh, that's what Palladium is for :) |
| 04:23:16 | tux_mike | um, no |
| 04:23:19 | noda | Isn't it? |
| 04:23:29 | Cloudchaser | stupid computers |
| 04:23:32 | tux_mike | well, this has to be cross-platform |
| 04:23:40 | noda | Anyway, I don't know. I'm not a fan of computer-level authentication :) |
| 04:23:43 | noda | Sorry :) |
| 04:23:45 | noda | Cloudchaser: What's up? |
| 04:23:49 | tux_mike | so, i can't rely on MAC or GUID |
| 04:24:00 | Cloudchaser | well i have this laptop |
| 04:24:13 | Cloudchaser | took me forever but i finally got rh 7.3 installed |
| 04:24:21 | noda | tux_mike: MACs are editable anyway. |
| 04:24:23 | Cloudchaser | but it won't do the right resolution |
| 04:24:29 | Cloudchaser | so i can't see the menu bar |
| 04:24:37 | noda | Cloudchaser: Ctrl-Alt-+? |
| 04:24:39 | tux_mike | noda: it's not used as a primary auth measure, but i can think of several issues that can be solved by having machine level auth |
| 04:24:41 | Cloudchaser | i think its at 640x480 |
| 04:24:42 | tux_mike | yes, they are |
| 04:24:48 | noda | nods. |
| 04:25:19 | Cloudchaser | that didn't work noda ;( |
| 04:25:24 | Cloudchaser | didn't do anything |
| 04:27:28 | noda | Cloudchaser: Damn. Er, dunno then :) |
| 04:29:44 | Cloudchaser | its ok...i'll fuss with it more tomorrow |
| 04:37:31 | wParam | wow... the screen looks strange for a second when it first turns on |
| 04:37:35 | wParam | sort of a fade in effect |
| 04:46:31 | Speedy2 | re |
| 04:46:35 | Speedy2 | Hi all |
| 04:46:39 | Speedy2 | snav? |
| 04:46:52 | | snav is The Source-Navigator, a source code analysis tool. See: http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:46:52 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav |
| 04:47:51 | noda | ibot: Is there anything you DON'T know? :) |
| 04:48:10 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 04:52:34 | warmi | hi |
| 04:52:50 | br33zy | hi warmi |
| 04:53:41 | Speedy2 | warmi! |
| 04:54:39 | warmi | anyone here has some experience with crosscompiling SDL programs for the ZAurus > |
| 04:54:42 | warmi | ? |
| 04:56:05 | jbardin | i have |
| 04:56:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:56:22 | warmi | I just compiled for ARM fceu |
| 04:56:38 | jbardin | cross? |
| 04:56:43 | warmi | but when running on the device it quits with message QApplication needs to be created before Qpainter bla bla |
| 04:56:45 | warmi | yeah |
| 04:56:58 | jbardin | yea i got that once |
| 04:56:58 | warmi | I need to ask Neo what that could possibly be |
| 04:57:03 | warmi | I am ussing correct SDL libs |
| 04:57:20 | jbardin | find any stuff in the code that could be used for optimizations? |
| 04:57:28 | warmi | I think I did .. |
| 04:57:33 | jbardin | i tried to setup the menu and mail key as b, a respectivly |
| 04:57:36 | warmi | but first I need to crosscompile this sucker |
| 04:57:57 | jbardin | screw that, hop on over to skiff cluster and check in the jbardin dir |
| 04:58:25 | jbardin | i spent forever trying to setup the crosscompile to no avail |
| 04:58:41 | warmi | well, I need to be able to do that - I can't run the stuff on the cluster |
| 04:58:55 | jbardin | it takes a bit longer to compile |
| 04:58:55 | warmi | and I need this cycle - run , change ,compile, run, change compile |
| 04:59:04 | jbardin | you can transfer the binary to your z? |
| 04:59:16 | jbardin | right yea it adds an extra step |
| 04:59:40 | warmi | I have a network card |
| 04:59:40 | NeoTron | warmi: hey, what's up? haven't benan around lately |
| 04:59:47 | warmi | and I mount Z as samba share on my Linux box |
| 04:59:51 | jbardin | nice |
| 04:59:52 | warmi | that way it is almost instantenous |
| 04:59:57 | jbardin | man that is a good idea |
| 05:00:06 | warmi | NeoTron: yeah .. busy at work and other stuff |
| 05:00:16 | jbardin | could you do that with the cradle? |
| 05:00:26 | NeoTron | leaves for now |
| 05:00:30 | NeoTron | is away: afk |
| 05:00:34 | warmi | NeoTron: any idea what would cause that "QApplication neeeds to be created before ... bla bla' message when running SDL app on the zaurus ? |
| 05:02:31 | warmi | jbardin: I have no clue -- I didn't want to mess around with it and just got myself a CF network card ( ethernet - $40 or so) |
| 05:05:26 | NeoTron | warmi: yes, it wasn't linked with SDLmain |
| 05:05:42 | warmi | ah ok .. so I must be missing something then in my Makefile |
| 05:05:51 | NeoTron | and/or didn't use 'sdl-config --cflags ' in the cflags from the correct sdl-config |
| 05:06:30 | warmi | I just did -L/somedir/ lSDL |
| 05:06:34 | warmi | or something like that :-) |
| 05:06:56 | warmi | how do you make sdl-config point to correct SDL ( arm libs) |
| 05:06:57 | NeoTron | sdl-config --cflags / sdl-config --libs is there for a reason (and in this case needed) |
| 05:07:25 | jbardin | warmi -L/home/guest/jbardin@hsc.usf.edu//lib -Wl,-rpath,/home/guest/jbardin@hsc.usf.edu//lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -L/home/guest/jbardin@hsc.usf.edu//lib -L/home/bipolar/qt-2.3.2/lib/ -lqpe -lqte -lpthread |
| 05:07:39 | jbardin | that is what sdl-config --libs produces on the skiff cluster |
| 05:07:53 | warmi | oh .. I missed that -lSDLmain part |
| 05:07:58 | warmi | that's what it is |
| 05:08:46 | NeoTron | and -Dmain=SDL_main or so in cflags |
| 05:08:49 | NeoTron | use sdl-config |
| 05:09:42 | jbardin | warmi when you setup sdl on your main machine what configure options did you use? |
| 05:10:23 | jbardin | particularry the option to tell it to be built with the cross compiler |
| 05:11:00 | warmi | I haven't set anything .. I just created dir for ARM libs (SDL) and pointer my Makefile to that dir |
| 05:11:13 | kergoth_ | yawns |
| 05:11:14 | warmi | the dirs I copied from the ZAurus |
| 05:11:15 | kergoth_ | re |
| 05:11:24 | warmi | ofcourse, I installed .h files etc |
| 05:11:30 | jbardin | hmm |
| 05:13:45 | jbardin | anyone know howto tell a configure script to use the arm-linux toolchain? |
| 05:14:09 | warmi | there is a switch to tell it that it is crosscompile .. |
| 05:14:12 | Speedy2 | jbardin: Set the host correctly |
| 05:14:14 | warmi | too bad I don't remember it now :-) |
| 05:14:20 | kergoth_ | jbardin: CC=arm-linux-gcc CXX=arm-linux-g++ LD=arm-linux-ld STRIP=arm-linux-strip ./configure --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux |
| 05:14:23 | kergoth_ | hey Speedy2, warmi, etc |
| 05:14:25 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 05:14:26 | Speedy2 | CC=arm-linux-elf or whatever |
| 05:14:27 | warmi | hi kergoth |
| 05:14:29 | Speedy2 | KERGOTH! |
| 05:14:55 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: hows it goin man |
| 05:15:06 | Speedy2 | doh! |
| 05:15:09 | Speedy2 | send message to kergoth |
| 05:15:10 | Speedy2 | one sec |
| 05:16:39 | jbardin | arg.. its still picking uo gcc as my compiler... |
| 05:17:05 | jbardin | wait nvrmnd |
| 05:17:09 | warmi | what happens when you type "which gcc" |
| 05:17:10 | warmi | ? |
| 05:17:43 | warmi | LDRIVER= -lpthread -L/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/SDL -lSDL -lSDLmain -lz -L$(QTDIR)/lib -lqpe -lqte |
| 05:17:52 | warmi | uh.. I have this in my Makefile |
| 05:18:03 | warmi | and now it complains that -LSDLmain cannot be found |
| 05:18:10 | warmi | I have to read up more about this SDL stuff |
| 05:18:16 | warmi | it is not as simple as it looks |
| 05:18:25 | jbardin | yea defiantly |
| 05:18:33 | warmi | that's why I don't like SDL |
| 05:18:47 | warmi | too much trouble for what it offers :-) |
| 05:19:30 | jbardin | yea.. we need some asm action man... |
| 05:19:38 | jbardin | checkout pocketnes ... all asm all the time |
| 05:19:51 | warmi | with fceu .. |
| 05:19:51 | jbardin | they say it runs at full speed |
| 05:20:10 | warmi | it renders to SDL buffer which then gets blitted to the screen |
| 05:20:21 | jbardin | ounds like an extra step |
| 05:20:33 | warmi | if we could skip that buffer and render directly to the screen you would double the speed right there |
| 05:21:03 | warmi | that's what I did with gnuboy |
| 05:21:40 | jbardin | very interesting... |
| 05:22:01 | warmi | at least I think that would help |
| 05:22:20 | warmi | I haven't tried it yet since I am having hard time compiling this stuff correctly |
| 05:22:20 | jbardin | i would imagine... in theory the 'screen' is getting proccessed twice per frame |
| 05:22:44 | jbardin | once to the buffer then again to the screen... drop a step 200% optimization w00t |
| 05:22:44 | warmi | well, that helps when you are doing animation etc ... but fceu maintains its own backbuffer |
| 05:22:56 | warmi | which means there is no need to use SDL backbuffer |
| 05:23:05 | jbardin | right.. |
| 05:23:46 | warmi | I need to look at SDL source code to know for sure |
| 05:24:05 | warmi | jbardin: you said that sounds works right ? |
| 05:24:12 | warmi | but for me it didn't work |
| 05:24:13 | jbardin | yea... it cycles though |
| 05:24:27 | warmi | frankly, it doesn't even work on my desktop Linux |
| 05:24:36 | jbardin | oh uo need to run it with -sound 1 |
| 05:24:37 | warmi | and I am talking about this mario rom |
| 05:24:42 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 05:24:43 | warmi | I did |
| 05:24:47 | NeoTron | no matter what you do, you always need to render to a back buffer |
| 05:24:48 | NeoTron | always |
| 05:24:56 | NeoTron | otherwise you get flicker hell |
| 05:25:06 | warmi | NeoTron: not when fceu uses its own backbuffer |
| 05:25:15 | warmi | then you are just wasting one screen copy cycle |
| 05:25:25 | NeoTron | warmi: it would have to use the buffer memory as allocated by SDL, simply |
| 05:25:27 | NeoTron | if SDL is used that is |
| 05:25:38 | NeoTron | as I said, you always need ONE back buffer |
| 05:25:42 | warmi | it copies from that buffer to SDL buffer and then calls SDL to flip the screen |
| 05:25:45 | NeoTron | in SDL you get it for free |
| 05:25:47 | warmi | that's wastefull imho |
| 05:25:52 | NeoTron | yes it is |
| 05:25:59 | NeoTron | because then you have two back buffers |
| 05:26:07 | jbardin | warmi maybe try one of these http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=nes |
| 05:26:32 | warmi | I will |
| 05:27:41 | jbardin | does the z have fbcon support? |
| 05:28:05 | warmi | NeoTron: this method would result in your rotatingBlit being called right ? SDL_UpdateRect(screen, xo, yo, NWIDTH*exs, tlines*eys); |
| 05:28:06 | warmi | ? |
| 05:28:36 | warmi | anyway, I need to get this SDL working |
| 05:28:59 | warmi | jbarding: you said you tried to crosscompile this on your Linux right ? |
| 05:30:58 | jbardin | yea... |
| 05:31:03 | jbardin | i am gonna try to redo it now.. |
| 05:31:07 | jbardin | recompiling SDL as we speak |
| 05:31:12 | warmi | let me know if you succeed |
| 05:31:27 | warmi | you don't need to compile SDL - I think you can use precompiled SDL arm lib to link with |
| 05:31:43 | warmi | the only tricky part is to set up sdl-config to point to these libs |
| 05:32:17 | jbardin | yea |
| 05:32:19 | warmi | jbardin: I got to go now ... I will try to stop by tommorow and talk to you again |
| 05:32:28 | warmi | see you later folks |
| 05:34:23 | br33zy | gtg |
| 05:34:24 | br33zy | later guys |
| 05:35:35 | hash | anyone have a Z and an ipaq? |
| 05:36:03 | hash | i have both and usb networking works well for both |
| 05:36:19 | hash | eventhough they use different drivers, they use the same interface |
| 05:36:36 | hash | anyone know how i can make them use different ones? |
| 05:36:44 | hash | like the ipaq using usb0 and the Z using usb1? |
| 05:37:15 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #openzaurus 11 hours, 17 seconds ago, saying: smacks kergoth upside the head [Mon Oct 21 12:36:58 2002] |
| 05:37:15 | BZFlag | ibot: seen JasonNJ |
| 05:43:42 | jbardin | rock just got crosscompile to work |
| 05:50:54 | Locutus4242 | anybody here done any serial io on the Z? My bro has an app working on the desktop/devSystem but on the Z it doesn't. Difference is he's writting a byte at a time. Any ideas? |
| 05:54:49 | BZFlag | Locutus4242: correct device name? ttySA0 ? |
| 05:55:16 | Speedy2 | Bye kergoth |
| 05:55:26 | Locutus4242 | BZFlag: ttyS0, what's SA0 do differently? |
| 05:57:05 | BZFlag | ttySA0 works? |
| 05:57:34 | BZFlag | ttyS0 is an x86 like uart. ttySA0 is the uarts on the strongarm |
| 05:58:01 | BZFlag | so a serial card would be ttyS0 cause it's on the cardbus like a pc io device. |
| 05:58:29 | BZFlag | the native port would be ttySA0. if you are a card and you are using ttyS0, then you are ok. |
| 05:58:40 | BZFlag | if you are using a serial cable, then you want ttSA0 |
| 05:58:41 | Locutus4242 | BZFlag: we've used ttyS0 without problems for everything but the byte based I/O. |
| 05:59:42 | Locutus4242 | I'll mention that. Funny that /dev/ttyS0 worked fine for minicom and the other stuff. Hope you're right. THANKS. :) |
| 06:00:18 | BZFlag | taking out the cable? or to a card? |
| 06:00:52 | BZFlag | er talking.... |
| 06:02:12 | Locutus4242 | BZFlag: never used a card, always a cable( or hacked cradle ;) |
| 06:03:13 | BZFlag | hmm |
| 06:03:14 | jbardin | is there a cflag to help with floating point operations? |
| 06:03:22 | Speedy2 | cflag?? |
| 06:04:05 | jbardin | --fno-floating-point? |
| 06:04:14 | Speedy2 | hrm. |
| 06:04:15 | Speedy2 | The StrongARM has no hardware floating point unit |
| 06:04:29 | Speedy2 | So all floating-point stuff uses libraries... |
| 06:04:33 | hash | /dev/mtdblock4 14.1M 14.0M 124.0k 99% / |
| 06:04:36 | hash | wtf? |
| 06:04:52 | hash | ipkg: /opt/QtPalmtop/share/multikey/ko.keymap: No space left on device |
| 06:04:59 | badl | hehe |
| 06:05:07 | hash | what is going on |
| 06:05:07 | Locutus4242 | BZFlag: That's what we've been saying. The bummer is that we can't burn eeprom parts without byte I/O. We're doing a few PIC/uC programmers for the Z. |
| 06:05:49 | Speedy2 | Locutus4242: How are you writing bytes to the serial port? |
| 06:06:21 | badl | cat /mnt/dog |
| 06:06:23 | Speedy2 | PIC/uC programmer for Z? Most uCs require strange programming voltages... |
| 06:07:10 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: but the hardware to do the programming is controlled via rs232 |
| 06:07:16 | Speedy2 | Oh, I got you. |
| 06:07:26 | Speedy2 | Like a Data I/O machine or whatever. |
| 06:07:36 | Speedy2 | Locutus4242: How are you writing bytes to the serial port? |
| 06:10:49 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: I don't have this code here. But the old stuff I just looked at uses read() and write() |
| 06:10:54 | Speedy2 | hrm. |
| 06:11:15 | Speedy2 | You should look at the IOCTLs for the serial port device, make sure no init routines or anything else need to be done. |
| 06:11:29 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: That stuff works but not when he wrote bytes one at a time. Even flushes didn't help. |
| 06:11:38 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 06:11:49 | Speedy2 | Watch out for compiler gotchas too. |
| 06:12:12 | Speedy2 | He's writing the data out as chars ? |
| 06:12:23 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: compiler gotchas... Like optimizations? |
| 06:12:46 | Speedy2 | Well, data types and data alignment |
| 06:12:56 | Speedy2 | Optimizations too |
| 06:13:50 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: here's a write and read line from an older version: |
| 06:14:03 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: write(theDevice,&theBytes[i],1); |
| 06:14:18 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: ioctl(theDevice,TCFLSH,0); |
| 06:14:36 | Speedy2 | I would change that to write a prescribe byte like write(theDevice,0x55,1) or something |
| 06:14:46 | Speedy2 | And see what happens. |
| 06:15:11 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: if((numRead=read(theDevice,theBytes,maxBytes))>0) |
| 06:16:51 | hash | i just upgraded, and now my /dev/mtdblock4 is full! |
| 06:17:03 | hash | size increase? or was i just near the limit to begin with? |
| 06:17:04 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: he tried to put a logic analyser on it but the handshaking lines wouldn't shake so it'd be tough to debug that easily/quickly. Gotta ship by the end of the week. |
| 06:17:17 | Speedy2 | NO! |
| 06:17:19 | Speedy2 | SHit! |
| 06:17:27 | Speedy2 | Logic analyzer on the RS-232 lines? |
| 06:17:30 | Speedy2 | Are you nuts? |
| 06:17:58 | Speedy2 | Was he looking at TTL signals or the RS-232 lines directly? |
| 06:18:05 | Speedy2 | And as I suggested, I would try writing a known byte |
| 06:18:14 | Speedy2 | Like: write(theDevice,0x55,1) |
| 06:18:16 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: I think it was a port sniffer( another PC "T"'ed off between devices. |
| 06:18:22 | Speedy2 | And see if that comes out OK... |
| 06:19:03 | Speedy2 | Also make sure the device is opened in non-cached mode. |
| 06:20:06 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: right, he should be able to fill the eeprom with 0x55 instead of data and then read it to see if it's there or not... I don't think it's got time to "try" too many more times. |
| 06:20:41 | Speedy2 | ?? |
| 06:20:51 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: ooow, non-cached mode... what's that/how does it work? |
| 06:21:03 | Speedy2 | He doesn't have time or the EEPROM is reaching the max number of cycles it can be written to? |
| 06:21:55 | Speedy2 | Locutus4242: I don't know what exactly your brother is doing, but he should have a good idea of how read/write to devices before shipping any kind of product. The man pages pretty accurately detail how the UNIX devices can be opened and used. I'll try to find a reference, please hold. |
| 06:22:32 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: he's got to pull his sail boat out of the water this week and prep it for the winter. Not very much extra time left this week. |
| 06:24:22 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: Like I said, we thought it was working fine til we got to testing the eeprom stuff and the only difference was it wrote a byte then read the returned byte. Did think it would be much different or even a problem since flush was already being called. |
| 06:24:36 | Speedy2 | Use O_SYNC in your open() |
| 06:25:40 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: I wish I had his code here to muck with but I'll send him your idea. It does sound like buffering/caching.... |
| 06:28:41 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: I don't see O_SYNC in the old stuff but he's modified this section in his code. I've already emailed him with your recommendation. Heck, I'll ask for the code too. :) |
| 06:29:03 | Speedy2 | I haven't messed around with "UNIX devices" in a while... |
| 06:30:51 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: darn, I don't have any eeprom parts to try it on... Oh well. |
| 06:31:02 | Speedy2 | Well, screw an EEPROM part |
| 06:31:11 | Speedy2 | Use a terminal program and observe the output |
| 06:31:12 | Speedy2 | ! |
| 06:32:01 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: There would be a bunch of handshaking I'd have to type into the terminal at a very fast pace... ;) |
| 06:32:25 | Speedy2 | Just comment that nonsense out and watch and see if the writes are occuring properly. |
| 06:32:43 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: or hack this all up and break it down to a small test codebase.. |
| 06:33:13 | Speedy2 | Essentially. |
| 06:33:27 | Speedy2 | What exactly is your brother doing? |
| 06:33:30 | Speedy2 | Is he working for some company or ? |
| 06:33:39 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: we'll see if he sends the code and I'll give it a shot tomorrow since I'd really like to get this out with eeprom support. |
| 06:34:33 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: he works as a consultant for a company plus has his own business. |
| 06:34:59 | Speedy2 | Engineering business? |
| 06:35:29 | Locutus4242 | Yes, we're both computer geeks. |
| 06:35:43 | Speedy2 | Computer geeks or engineers? |
| 06:36:46 | Locutus4242 | trained engineers but geeks in that we like what we do to the extreme. ie, too much time at it for some people. |
| 06:36:56 | Speedy2 | I see. |
| 06:37:01 | Speedy2 | <-- Engineer as well |
| 06:37:47 | Locutus4242 | I figured as much since you sounded like you've tweeked with serial IO some. :) |
| 06:38:08 | Speedy2 | Quite a bit. |
| 06:38:46 | Locutus4242 | database programmer types stay away from all hardware.. :) (the wife's a db coder) |
| 06:38:58 | Speedy2 | Heh. |
| 06:39:11 | Speedy2 | Hardware and low-level software are my game. |
| 06:40:04 | Locutus4242 | That's how I started, coding memory/board level testing via emultors when I was a tech years ago. |
| 06:41:06 | Speedy2 | Err...that is hardware desgin. |
| 06:41:22 | Locutus4242 | moved to software after 6 years close to the metal but getting back to it with uC programming. Fun stuff but software is SOOO much easier to build/unbuild/build again. ;) |
| 06:42:51 | anselor|home | have any of you tried syncing the Z with outlook? |
| 06:42:56 | Locutus4242 | Have you opened the Z up? It's amazing how they fit so much in such a small area. And it works! |
| 06:43:03 | Speedy2 | Yes, I have :) |
| 06:43:15 | Speedy2 | I've worked on smaller designs around the SA-1110 |
| 06:43:16 | Locutus4242 | Don't do windows |
| 06:43:35 | anselor|home | I'm having some problems with the tasks not transferring properly with outlook. |
| 06:43:58 | DaWorm | i didn't even bother the sync with outlook |
| 06:44:30 | anselor|home | everything else works fine, just some of the data gets placed in the wrong place in outlook. |
| 06:44:37 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: cool, I just saw a SA-1110 kit that runs linux with LCD driver the size of a P4 CPU. soo cool. |
| 06:44:40 | anselor|home | with tasks |
| 06:44:45 | DaWorm | anselor|home: it does |
| 06:44:49 | DaWorm | even in contacts it does that |
| 06:45:18 | anselor|home | is that a problem with intellisync or with OZ? |
| 06:45:41 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: getting busy here again and my eyes are crossing.. gotta go but THANKS for the ideas/hints. |
| 06:45:49 | DaWorm | intellisync most probably |
| 06:45:55 | DaWorm | oh you use OZ |
| 06:46:11 | Speedy2 | Locutus4242: Sure thing. It's very advisable to carfully read through and see what IOCTLs are available and what various serial ports options exist. |
| 06:46:44 | Speedy2 | Serial port is slow enough that using a scope to debug is doable. |
| 06:46:52 | Speedy2 | (A reasonably good DSO) |
| 06:49:10 | Locutus4242 | Speedy2: once I get my hands on the code, I'll see what's happening and hit the man pages. Thanks again. |
| 07:31:35 | DaWorm | oh boy, this nes emulator sure is fun on the Z |
| 07:31:35 | hash | i'm on almost a stock OZ |
| 07:31:46 | hash | and upgraded to the current stable feed |
| 07:32:05 | hash | is this normal? |
| 07:32:09 | hash | du -sh /usr |
| 07:32:18 | hash | 5.1Musr |
| 07:35:43 | hash | *: ping |
| 07:37:31 | hash | everyone asleep or something? |
| 07:38:01 | BZFlag | hash: depends on what you install. perhaps. |
| 07:38:11 | hash | BZFlag: almost nothing |
| 07:38:45 | BZFlag | might still be ok, remember that's before compression. |
| 07:38:45 | hash | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 750.8k Jan 1 1970 libcrypto.so.0.9.6 |
| 07:39:11 | hash | and most other standard libs are over 120k |
| 07:39:26 | hash | BZFlag: can you please do a du -sh /usr for me? |
| 07:39:50 | hash | i just dont understand where my 2 free megs went after the upgrade |
| 07:41:06 | BZFlag | hash: don't have a machine in front of me at the moment. |
| 07:41:14 | hash | k |
| 08:11:06 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 16:44:20 | | winglover: i don't know |
| 16:44:20 | WingLover | ibot, flooterbuck? |
| 16:44:25 | | i don't know, winglover |
| 16:44:25 | WingLover | ibot, authors? |
| 16:49:10 | | familiar is probably a Linux distribution for handhelds, at http://familiar.handhelds.org or God in the palm of my hand |
| 16:49:10 | BZFlag | ibot familiar |
| 16:54:24 | hardwire | http://csoweb4.3com.com/cable/mso/tailfin/msocode/downloads/3com_29220_v01_22a.bin |
| 16:54:29 | hardwire | anybody feel like figuring that out? |
| 16:54:48 | hardwire | my cable modem runs linux |
| 16:54:54 | hardwire | so I wanted to add uh.. stuff to it :) |
| 16:58:05 | Cloudchaser | well this is pretty cool..tkc radio |
| 17:01:42 | | you are Steph Meslin-Weber, mailto:manifest@dircon.co.uk... AND HE NEEDS A JOB! |
| 17:01:42 | Twiun | ibot: Twiun |
| 17:01:53 | Twiun | cool - no memory loss there ;-) |
| 17:02:22 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:02:24 | | kergoth`arg: I forgot kergoth |
| 17:02:24 | kergoth`arg | ibot forget kergoth |
| 17:02:33 | | hardwire: excuse me? |
| 17:02:33 | hardwire | ibot: hardwire |
| 17:02:37 | hardwire | wee! |
| 17:02:40 | | whardier is can't control his aggressions, He picked on others 22 times. |
| 17:02:40 | hardwire | ibot: whardier |
| 17:02:44 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:02:48 | | OK, kergoth`arg. |
| 17:02:48 | kergoth`arg | ibot kergoth is <reply> We're sorry, but kergoth just exploded. Please leave a message and he'll get back to you as soon as he coalesces. |
| 17:02:50 | Twiun | Gah - I can't believe I'm forced to use win98 to do my web graphics |
| 17:03:03 | hardwire | Twiun? |
| 17:03:06 | bipolar | Twiun: why? |
| 17:03:06 | hardwire | gimp? |
| 17:03:08 | hardwire | wine?! |
| 17:03:08 | | We're sorry, but kergoth just exploded. Please leave a message and he'll get back to you as soon as he coalesces. |
| 17:03:08 | kergoth`arg | ibot kergoth |
| 17:03:17 | kergoth`arg | good good |
| 17:03:19 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:03:30 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 14 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: mantis [Tue Oct 22 10:49:26 2002] |
| 17:03:30 | hardwire | ibot seen kergoth? |
| 17:03:49 | | OK, hardwire. |
| 17:03:49 | hardwire | ibot "seen kergoth" is <reply> GAH! |
| 17:03:53 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 14 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: mantis [Tue Oct 22 10:49:26 2002] |
| 17:03:53 | hardwire | ibot seen kergoth? |
| 17:03:54 | Twiun | hardwire: Gimp - bad geometry support... Wine... how well does it run PaintShop Pro? - Corel PhotoPaint is a pile of !"£!"£$"5 |
| 17:03:57 | hardwire | doh |
| 17:03:59 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 14 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: mantis [Tue Oct 22 10:49:26 2002] |
| 17:03:59 | hardwire | ibot seen kergoth |
| 17:04:16 | hardwire | Twiun I run micrografx stuff under wine |
| 17:04:20 | hardwire | its very intensive |
| 17:04:21 | chouimat | kergoth`arg: found a good use for a zaurus at home (desk clock) |
| 17:04:27 | bipolar | Twiun: Geometery support? |
| 17:04:27 | kergoth`arg | chouimat: nice |
| 17:04:33 | hardwire | gimp has terrible primitives support |
| 17:04:43 | hardwire | geometric primatives |
| 17:04:46 | hardwire | and pathing |
| 17:04:50 | Twiun | hardwire: I'm not disputing Wine's capabilities (I run NWN under it) |
| 17:05:00 | hardwire | Never Winter Nudes |
| 17:05:03 | Twiun | hardwire: More unsure as to PSP's compatibilities |
| 17:05:12 | hardwire | it should work |
| 17:05:16 | chouimat | likes vmware |
| 17:05:20 | hardwire | thats why I made the reference I did |
| 17:05:21 | Twiun | So I'm using psp for the geometry, and gimp for the final touches |
| 17:05:26 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:05:49 | hardwire | there are lots of cool commercial illustrationpackages that run under linux |
| 17:05:57 | hardwire | thinking about buying one one day |
| 17:06:02 | Twiun | but I suppose I might try using it under wine later on |
| 17:06:12 | hardwire | the links to them have all but faded.. even tho they are still there.. I just need to shop around again |
| 17:07:37 | kergoth`arg | http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=43045 |
| 17:07:40 | kergoth`arg | what the hell happend on the 15th? |
| 17:08:16 | Twiun | wow |
| 17:08:23 | Twiun | crazy webspider? |
| 17:08:27 | chouimat | slashdoted? |
| 17:08:37 | kergoth`arg | dunno |
| 17:08:39 | kergoth`arg | strange |
| 17:09:11 | hardwire | heheh |
| 17:09:12 | Twiun | if only you had the weblogs |
| 17:09:18 | kergoth`arg | no kidding |
| 17:09:18 | kergoth`arg | ah well |
| 17:09:20 | prpplague | kergoth`arg: geeks out of town? |
| 17:13:40 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:22:47 | kergoth`arg | hey |
| 17:22:48 | kergoth`arg | nifty |
| 17:22:52 | kergoth`arg | buildroot has a working menuconfig now |
| 17:23:25 | kergoth`arg | swipes makefile niftiness from 2.5 kernel tree |
| 17:24:29 | noidd | kergoth`arg: you still working on the kernel porting? |
| 17:24:44 | noidd | or concentrating mainly on 3.0 oz relese |
| 17:25:09 | kergoth`arg | 3.0 oz |
| 17:25:12 | kergoth`arg | when it releases |
| 17:25:15 | kergoth`arg | i'll have more time for that |
| 17:25:31 | scanline | cheers for menuconfig |
| 17:25:59 | scanline | My Qt installation here is still broken from when I upgraded freetype, so I've been using plain ol' config |
| 17:26:09 | WingLover | buildroot? |
| 17:26:46 | | i think buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 17:26:46 | scanline | ibot: buildroot? |
| 17:27:08 | | okay, scanline. |
| 17:27:08 | scanline | ibot: buildroot is also a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project |
| 17:29:18 | kergoth`arg | scanline: menuconfig rules |
| 17:29:26 | scanline | indeedy |
| 17:29:26 | kergoth`arg | scanline: i had to add scripts/lxdialog from the kernel tree :) |
| 17:29:34 | scanline | that's all? |
| 17:29:38 | kergoth`arg | 2.5 has some pretty sweet makefile tricks up its sleeves |
| 17:29:44 | kergoth`arg | absorbs it |
| 17:30:02 | chouimat | kergoth`arg: what kind? |
| 17:31:44 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 17:32:12 | treke | hey big boss |
| 17:32:26 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 17:33:18 | BigBoss | we released tkcRadio today |
| 17:33:40 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcradio |
| 17:34:30 | Cloudchaser | hey how do you get more stations BigBoss: |
| 17:34:49 | Cloudchaser | its very cool :) |
| 17:34:57 | Cloudchaser | trying to find some other kinds of music |
| 17:34:57 | BigBoss | it comes with about 50 predefined stations I think |
| 17:35:03 | BigBoss | you can enter in anything you like |
| 17:35:03 | Cloudchaser | yep it does |
| 17:35:11 | Cloudchaser | its finding the urls that's tough |
| 17:35:17 | Cloudchaser | i went to shoutcast |
| 17:35:21 | BigBoss | we have a categorized database of about 1,000 other stations you can buy access to for another $4.95 |
| 17:35:24 | Cloudchaser | but they just say click here |
| 17:35:34 | BigBoss | that will be available tomorrow I think |
| 17:35:41 | Cloudchaser | ok will you post the categories? |
| 17:35:45 | Cloudchaser | i like some wierd music ;) |
| 17:35:50 | BigBoss | it's all categorized |
| 17:35:52 | Cloudchaser | like irish |
| 17:36:04 | noidd | tell us kergoth |
| 17:36:06 | chouimat | BigBoss: tkcradio is free? |
| 17:36:25 | kergoth`arg | noidd: tell you what? |
| 17:36:32 | Coup-Laptop | evenin |
| 17:36:51 | BigBoss | chouimat: the ogg only version is free |
| 17:37:01 | chouimat | BigBoss: ok |
| 17:37:13 | scanline | could use a better visualizer :) |
| 17:37:13 | WingLover | Okay, Bento Box H is the best food in Toronto |
| 17:37:32 | BigBoss | you have a copy scanline? |
| 17:37:39 | scanline | I'm just looking at the screenshot |
| 17:37:51 | WingLover | Bigboss, really? That way I can remove XMMS from my ROM |
| 17:38:07 | BigBoss | the visualizer looks better when it's running |
| 17:39:55 | ljp_work | you can go to #WOPN.. thats ogg stream |
| 17:40:23 | chouimat | brb I'm going to eat my poutine |
| 17:42:43 | WingLover | chouimat, you're Canadian too? |
| 17:43:00 | chouimat | WingLover: Quebec City |
| 17:43:18 | WingLover | Ah, cool. You can get some real poutine then. |
| 17:43:48 | BigBoss | here is another ogg stream we just found but haven't added yet http://www.evolutionradio.org/ |
| 17:44:25 | noidd | sorry mate, mis-channel |
| 17:44:25 | ljp_work | do you have the wopn station? |
| 17:45:43 | BigBoss | ljp:yes, that was about the only one we *did* have |
| 17:45:43 | BigBoss | :) |
| 17:45:50 | chouimat | WingLover: doing my own |
| 17:45:59 | WingLover | hehe, cool. |
| 17:50:45 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 20 hours, 45 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: eh... [Mon Oct 21 15:05:22 2002] |
| 17:50:45 | ciao_linux | ibot: seen benmeyer |
| 17:52:50 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 17:59:50 | WingLover | Hmm, looks like the QPE libs have all of the character set conversion stuff strippedout |
| 18:09:05 | benmeyer | hi ciao_linux: |
| 18:10:57 | mark | hiya all |
| 18:13:26 | paq | hiya |
| 18:17:19 | benmeyer | How do you terminate qtopia? |
| 18:17:22 | benmeyer | it keeps restarting |
| 18:18:25 | Coup-Laptop | benmeyer: need to press "/" then "a" within 5 seconds of it going down? |
| 18:18:38 | benmeyer | what b*ll cr*p |
| 18:18:59 | Coup-Laptop | ?? |
| 18:21:48 | benmeyer | where are kernel messages kept? |
| 18:21:49 | Coup-Laptop | try typing "dmesg" |
| 18:32:06 | ciao_linux | hi benmeyer: the doc about hotplugging under debian doesn't really work in my box: it is better than the faq in zauruszone because it allows me to hotplug once, but it wouldn't let me hotplug anymore after i unplug the zaurus |
| 18:32:23 | benmeyer | haha |
| 18:32:28 | kergoth`lunch | works flawless here |
| 18:32:28 | benmeyer | boy am I stupid |
| 18:32:32 | kergoth`lunch | sounds like you didnt set class to 3 |
| 18:32:38 | ciao_linux | benmeyer: does it work on yours |
| 18:32:44 | benmeyer | I rmmod my nic and then wonder why the terminal doeesn't work |
| 18:32:52 | kergoth`lunch | ciao_linux: did you set class to 3? |
| 18:32:55 | benmeyer | really? |
| 18:32:57 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 18:33:02 | benmeyer | I myself havn't tried it |
| 18:33:04 | benmeyer | but will |
| 18:33:05 | ciao_linux | kergoth`lunch: yes i did... same result as before |
| 18:33:10 | kergoth`lunch | ciao_linux: something with your box |
| 18:33:14 | kergoth`lunch | or your environment |
| 18:33:19 | kergoth`lunch | i'd say |
| 18:33:26 | kergoth`lunch | wanders off to get food |
| 18:33:29 | ciao_linux | kergoth`lunch: do you remember if you did something else, when you installed it? |
| 18:34:05 | ciao_linux | kergoth`lunch: i don't think that it depends on the zaurus itself... but i am not sure. |
| 18:35:01 | ciao_linux | benmeyer: maybe this might help... but not sure: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Setting%20Up%20USB%20Networking%20to%20Survive%20Suspension |
| 18:35:04 | Cloudchaser | i'm not getting this web radio thing.. i go to search for radio sites |
| 18:35:19 | Cloudchaser | then i find something and it wants me to have real radio |
| 18:35:24 | Cloudchaser | or windows media player |
| 18:35:43 | Cloudchaser | and it doesn't show any urls so i can try them |
| 18:37:16 | Cloudchaser | anyone have any hints for me? |
| 18:43:43 | mark | hi JasonNJ |
| 18:48:11 | Lone | quit |
| 18:48:29 | DaJoker | BigBoss: ping |
| 18:52:09 | BigBoss | DaJoker: yes? |
| 18:52:31 | DaJoker | BigBoss: I'm assuming tkcradio is free to existing tkc-application customers? |
| 18:52:48 | BigBoss | the free version is free to everyone |
| 18:52:55 | DaJoker | you sure? |
| 18:52:55 | BigBoss | the for fee version costs everyone |
| 18:52:56 | prpplague | DaJoker: hey, did that yahoo ever get it through his head that he didn't want to do syslinux on the z? |
| 18:53:06 | DaJoker | prpplague: nope.. |
| 18:53:21 | prpplague | DaJoker: lol |
| 18:53:25 | BigBoss | DaJoker: i'm not following you |
| 18:53:31 | Neo|Work | DaJoker: does it make sense to ask the owner of tkc whether he's sure if one of their apps is free? :) |
| 18:53:33 | DaJoker | BigBoss: hrmm.. might want to include libtkc.so.1 in your ipk |
| 18:53:52 | DaJoker | Neo|Work: yes, in this case, it does :) |
| 18:54:14 | BigBoss | DaJoker: can you just tell me what it is you are trying to say? I'm kind of rushed and I'm not really decoding it |
| 18:54:16 | chouimat | back |
| 18:55:13 | DaJoker | BigBoss: there is no libtkc on my Z, because I haven't purchased any tkc applications that might include it, tkcradio does not run without libtkc, but does not include it itself |
| 18:55:42 | BigBoss | ok - I thought it didn't need it, so I'll repackage it with the lib |
| 18:56:15 | DaJoker | so, that is why I asked regarding is it free to existing customers, or was it meant to be free for everyone |
| 18:57:17 | BigBoss | ok, uploading now |
| 18:58:13 | DaJoker | there is a method to my madness.. I swear :) |
| 19:00:00 | BigBoss | ok, it should be there |
| 19:01:57 | DaJoker | BigBoss: great.. thanks.. figured I'd give it a whirl.. |
| 19:03:37 | BigBoss | well let us know your feedback |
| 19:04:06 | DaJoker | BigBoss: definitely will |
| 19:05:53 | djk_ | anybody usethe ambicom wave2net wireless cf? best buy has it for $80 |
| 19:08:41 | Cloudchaser | DaJoker: i couldn't get the url BigBoss posted above to work: http://www.evolutionradio.org/ would you try it and see if you can? |
| 19:11:09 | BigBoss | http://www.evolutionradio.org/pls/station1_48.m3u |
| 19:12:10 | Cloudchaser | thanks big boss i'll try that |
| 19:20:49 | kergoth`lunch | benmeyer: <pester> segfault? </pester> ;) |
| 19:22:36 | benmeyer | what about it? |
| 19:22:57 | kergoth`lunch | got a timeline on a fix? |
| 19:23:03 | benmeyer | is it still broken? |
| 19:23:17 | benmeyer | oh the icons for networksetup arn't in the ipk |
| 19:23:27 | benmeyer | and still can't ssh into opie |
| 19:23:28 | kergoth`lunch | yeah they are, but we conflict with netsetup. i wiped that icon |
| 19:23:32 | kergoth`lunch | heheh |
| 19:23:37 | benmeyer | and I can't get wireless extensions working on sharps z |
| 19:23:45 | benmeyer | that? |
| 19:23:47 | benmeyer | there were like 10 |
| 19:25:01 | benmeyer | more like 7 |
| 19:25:42 | MSpin | ahhh |
| 19:26:15 | kergoth`lunch | benmeyer: k, they're included now |
| 19:26:22 | benmeyer | cool |
| 19:26:58 | benmeyer | bla |
| 19:27:30 | kergoth`lunch | if we can get the networksetup segfault fixed, i'd like to releease oz 3.0 |
| 19:27:38 | kergoth`lunch | its been too long since the last rleease |
| 19:27:39 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 19:28:20 | benmeyer | Well I can't track it down until I get a box with wireless extensions working.... |
| 19:28:31 | benmeyer | and oz's ssh is still broken |
| 19:28:38 | benmeyer | so that means me fending with sharps rom |
| 19:28:53 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:28:56 | kergoth | ssh works great |
| 19:28:59 | benmeyer | nope |
| 19:29:03 | benmeyer | still broken here |
| 19:29:08 | kergoth | it only fails for you |
| 19:29:10 | kergoth | thats what i'm saying |
| 19:29:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:29:12 | benmeyer | and jason |
| 19:29:23 | benmeyer | we loaded a latest opie on a 55 |
| 19:29:27 | benmeyer | and we can't connect |
| 19:29:30 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:29:33 | ljp_work | works here |
| 19:29:33 | kergoth | opie != ssh |
| 19:29:37 | kergoth | opie is a gui, not a distribution |
| 19:29:37 | benmeyer | from debian unstable |
| 19:29:43 | kergoth | i'm using debian unstable |
| 19:29:43 | noda | Works here too |
| 19:29:46 | kergoth | and i scp to it constantly |
| 19:30:19 | benmeyer | wait |
| 19:30:21 | benmeyer | finally something |
| 19:30:22 | benmeyer | ssh: connect to address 172.29.25.238 port 22: No route to host |
| 19:31:46 | benmeyer | hmmm, would help to know jason changed cards... |
| 19:33:19 | MSpin | no route to host is comming from the bedian box? |
| 19:38:18 | chouimat | offtopic question: anyone know a good scripting language I can use in an embedded system, that support awk like string matching and networking, must fit in less than 2MB of disk |
| 19:39:56 | ljp_work | perl |
| 19:40:11 | chouimat | ljp_work: too big |
| 19:40:16 | DaJoker | python |
| 19:41:53 | ljp_work | too big? there's perl for the zaurus |
| 19:42:11 | diclophis | z0r |
| 19:42:18 | | numatrix was last seen on #openzaurus 1 hours, 12 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: AndyQ: you could just leave lots of empty directories around. Not clean, but they don't take up much space. [Tue Oct 22 12:29:49 2002] |
| 19:42:18 | diclophis | ibot seen numatrix |
| 19:42:20 | chouimat | DaJoker: about 2mb of free space on the flash. need to fecth a file,and process it and update some firewall rules |
| 19:42:30 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 14 hours, 10 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: see you later folks [Mon Oct 21 23:32:28 2002] |
| 19:42:30 | diclophis | ibot seen warmi |
| 19:42:37 | chouimat | ljp_work: it's not for the z |
| 19:43:12 | ljp_work | so |
| 19:44:03 | chouimat | ljp_work: statically linked perl take more than 2mb on the system |
| 19:44:12 | ljp_work | perl for the z is rather small. certainly not 2 mb |
| 19:44:35 | chouimat | ljp_work: and I don't have the library |
| 19:45:28 | DaJoker | python bin is 800k or so |
| 19:46:38 | chouimat | DaJoker: static or dynamic |
| 19:47:07 | kergoth | chouimat: what lib dont you have? |
| 19:47:31 | chouimat | kergoth: it's a picobsd based system |
| 19:52:15 | chouimat | kergoth: got some very tight requirement |
| 20:04:36 | diclophis | what woulkd be a good word for a 'block of knowledge' |
| 20:05:05 | ljp_work | me |
| 20:05:08 | ljp_work | :D |
| 20:05:28 | diclophis | pertaining to a knowledge base.. like an entry in a knowleged base would be called x |
| 20:05:45 | diclophis | ljp_work i will just fwd all my services request to you ;) |
| 20:05:51 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 20:08:10 | JasonNJ | lol this is funny |
| 20:08:10 | JasonNJ | http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ |
| 20:09:52 | prpplague | JasonNJ: ha, you should have warned me, i had my volume turned way up |
| 20:10:27 | JasonNJ | I never actually knew the lyrics to that song |
| 20:10:35 | JasonNJ | and I've heard that song a LOT |
| 20:10:41 | JasonNJ | I guess I was stoned most of the time |
| 20:10:43 | chouimat | ARRRRRRGGGGG!!!! |
| 20:28:32 | killefiz | what's the current us street price for the 5500? |
| 20:28:39 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:28:46 | hardwire | $20 dolla |
| 20:28:51 | hardwire | you have seen the product |
| 20:28:53 | hardwire | but not the price |
| 20:28:58 | hardwire | thats right folks |
| 20:29:08 | hardwire | I am selling these authentic little Z's for $20 bucks a pop! |
| 20:29:17 | hardwire | can you believe |
| 20:29:21 | hardwire | how you gonna beat that? |
| 20:29:27 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 20:29:27 | Bovine | ibot die |
| 20:30:18 | killefiz | any serious answers? Is it more like $200 or more like $400? |
| 20:30:27 | WingLover | About $325 or so? |
| 20:30:27 | treke | probably 340ish |
| 20:30:40 | BZFlag | hardwire: you're selling 5500 for $20? I'll take em all. |
| 20:30:45 | WingLover | Best Buy was clearing them out at $330 a couple months ago. |
| 20:31:06 | killefiz | sharp germany has just lowered the price to 399 EUR |
| 20:31:13 | treke | compusa might be trying to clear them out also |
| 20:31:20 | WingLover | The only best buy I could drive to (I'm from Canada and would have had to drive to Buffalo) had already run out, so I got one shipped from Manhattan for $359 |
| 20:32:03 | WingLover | How's the Z been selling, BTW? |
| 20:33:06 | BZFlag | ok, but not as well as we all would like. |
| 20:34:00 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 20:34:06 | BZFlag | yo |
| 20:34:30 | BigBoss | BZFlag: you see our whiteboarding app for the Zaurus yet? |
| 20:34:35 | BZFlag | waits for hardwire to ship him all his Zs |
| 20:34:37 | kergoth | BZFlag: hows it going? |
| 20:34:44 | BZFlag | BigBoss: saw, did not try. |
| 20:35:11 | BZFlag | kergoth: things are happening here, but none that I can talk about at the moment. |
| 20:35:16 | BZFlag | today is a busy day. |
| 20:35:40 | kergoth | understood |
| 20:36:05 | BigBoss | Sekhar KONDEPUDI wrote me over the weekend, but hasn't followed up this week yet |
| 20:37:04 | BZFlag | BigBoss: ping him next week. |
| 20:37:06 | treke | I'm just curious, but is it some form of japanese customs to captialize last names ( or is that a first name) |
| 20:38:59 | JasonNJ | bz: can I get a kaii? |
| 20:39:04 | BZFlag | treke: don't know. |
| 20:39:09 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: nope. not yet. |
| 20:39:22 | JasonNJ | is vercel RIP? |
| 20:39:26 | BigBoss | heck, those guys promised me some kaii's like 6 months ago |
| 20:39:26 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: can I get a .... ? |
| 20:39:26 | bipolar | hehe... I just got kicked/banned by some asshole on #mandrake. lusers |
| 20:39:42 | JasonNJ | bz: I will get you another you know what if you promise not to kill it again |
| 20:39:51 | BZFlag | bipolar: might be cause you are bipolar. |
| 20:40:19 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: well, if you had sent me the full rom images, I could have restored it. ;-) |
| 20:40:30 | JasonNJ | bz: it only takes 16 steps |
| 20:40:41 | BZFlag | at least. |
| 20:40:46 | bipolar | BZFlag: yeah... someone said that some may get offended by my nick, as it is a name of a disorder. Telling them that I had the disorder did not help. |
| 20:40:50 | JasonNJ | you have to recite incantations to satan |
| 20:41:01 | JasonNJ | and then stand on your head |
| 20:41:29 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 20:41:43 | JasonNJ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:41:56 | JasonNJ | man its only tuesday. |
| 20:42:00 | ljp_work | just chant 'great googli-moogli' |
| 20:42:02 | kergoth | it feels like a monday |
| 20:42:05 | Twiun | tell me about it ;-) |
| 20:42:06 | kergoth | but then |
| 20:42:08 | kergoth | so did yesterday |
| 20:42:09 | BZFlag | bipolar: heh |
| 20:42:10 | JasonNJ | and its my 7th wedding anniversary and I cant get off early |
| 20:42:14 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ack |
| 20:42:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: congratulations man |
| 20:42:21 | JasonNJ | totally blows gophers up rusty tailpipes |
| 20:42:27 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: don't forget the rubber chicken |
| 20:42:28 | Twiun | chants "Everyday's feels like Monday... laaa da da da blah!" |
| 20:42:44 | ljp_work | or the whoopie cushion |
| 20:42:45 | JasonNJ | twiun: no smiths. |
| 20:42:50 | Twiun | JasonNJ: So... how is she going to serve your guts? |
| 20:42:55 | kergoth | Twiun: *cheerful voice* Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays! |
| 20:42:57 | BigBoss | yikes, my 10th anniversary is january |
| 20:43:05 | BigBoss | if I'm gonna get divorced, I better do it soon :) |
| 20:43:19 | badl | heh |
| 20:43:22 | Twiun | Hehe... I'm starting to think about taking the plunge meself ;-) |
| 20:43:27 | Twiun | into marriage that is |
| 20:43:35 | JasonNJ | this kitten zeppelin thing is awesome |
| 20:43:37 | BigBoss | other than kids, I don't really recommend it |
| 20:43:39 | prpplague | chants "everday's feels like another call from a moron end luser... ya da ta da ta da" |
| 20:43:47 | JasonNJ | http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ |
| 20:43:57 | ljp_work | I am too.. although I hear its better if you have a willing partner.. or a partner at all |
| 20:44:11 | JasonNJ | big: yeah the consistent sex is overrated |
| 20:44:34 | kergoth | jesus |
| 20:44:42 | kergoth | i need to get out of support before it killsme |
| 20:44:45 | BigBoss | i think it was more consistant when I was single :) |
| 20:45:01 | JasonNJ | big: thats why we havent had kids yet |
| 20:45:05 | prpplague | BigBoss: ya marriage ain't what it was advertised |
| 20:45:09 | BigBoss | :) |
| 20:45:12 | badl | JasonNJ: hehe thats what marriage is about -- a contract for consistant sex in return for money at the expiration of this contract |
| 20:45:21 | BigBoss | yea - it's supposed to be your best friend and nasty sex every day |
| 20:45:41 | BigBoss | I think getting a maid, a prostitute and a nanny would cost less than having a wife :) |
| 20:45:54 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:45:54 | JasonNJ | probably |
| 20:46:02 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 20:46:03 | JasonNJ | but my wife does a lot of stuff |
| 20:46:08 | prpplague | BigBoss: amen |
| 20:46:15 | JasonNJ | my life would be totally disorganized and shitty |
| 20:46:18 | BigBoss | now if my wife did a lot of stuff, that would be something |
| 20:46:59 | BigBoss | BZFlag: is Devesh R. Agarwal still with handimart? |
| 20:47:02 | BigBoss | i mean infomart? |
| 20:47:43 | prpplague | shop smart, shop S-Mart |
| 20:47:44 | JasonNJ | I hope indian pda's arent like indian food |
| 20:47:50 | JasonNJ | kwickiemart |
| 20:48:12 | treke | <Kaii> You have a meeting in 10 minutes. Thank you. Come again |
| 20:48:16 | prpplague | JasonNJ: and how would that be? |
| 20:48:31 | JasonNJ | well, for starters, I get these nasty verps from indian food |
| 20:48:56 | JasonNJ | it makes you smell nasty |
| 20:49:13 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:49:16 | Twiun | haha |
| 20:49:40 | BigBoss | yum, I had indian food on friday |
| 20:49:45 | BigBoss | tandoory chicken |
| 20:49:50 | JasonNJ | "would you like papadums with your pda?" |
| 20:49:58 | JasonNJ | oh my goodness gracious. |
| 20:50:21 | JasonNJ | tandoori is moghlai cuisine |
| 20:50:28 | JasonNJ | here in jersey we have a lot of south indian |
| 20:50:32 | JasonNJ | thats really, really spicy shit. |
| 20:50:52 | JasonNJ | they eat chiles by the gallon |
| 20:51:21 | BZFlag | BigBoss: yes. |
| 20:51:22 | BigBoss | well India is a big place |
| 20:51:25 | JasonNJ | have you ever had a dosa? |
| 20:51:31 | JasonNJ | those are really good. |
| 20:51:38 | BigBoss | BZFlag: he use to be very responsive to emails, but nothing from him in months |
| 20:52:07 | kergoth | stabs gnu make with a sharp instrument |
| 20:52:42 | BigBoss | sharp makes instruments? |
| 20:53:03 | JasonNJ | big: we barlely know how to make pda's. |
| 20:53:07 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 20:53:39 | prpplague | i was thinking about getting indian tonight, lots of good indian places here in barbados |
| 20:53:40 | ljp_work | barley? |
| 20:54:02 | ljp_work | ahh barbados... |
| 20:54:14 | ljp_work | and its going to snow tonight |
| 20:54:24 | JasonNJ | prp: drink some mount gay for me |
| 20:54:32 | JasonNJ | some rum punches |
| 20:54:34 | JasonNJ | oh yea |
| 20:54:55 | ljp_work | prpp: watch out for those spiney urchants |
| 20:55:06 | ljp_work | and jeyyfish |
| 20:55:07 | treke | wants it to rain |
| 20:55:14 | ljp_work | jellyfish |
| 20:55:57 | prpplague | JasonNJ: lol, i will tomorrow at lunch, the distilliary is withing 50 feet of this building |
| 20:56:18 | prpplague | ljp_work: no swimming, just work |
| 20:56:59 | ljp_work | what?! |
| 20:57:08 | ljp_work | no swimming? |
| 20:57:23 | ljp_work | scratches his head |
| 21:03:00 | Twiun | ok... now that BB has quit... choices of linux HTML editors guys? |
| 21:03:50 | Neo|Work | where's the zaurus development docs? specifically I'm interested in bus speed / width and specifics ike that |
| 21:05:40 | Twiun | Neo|Work: had a look at the sa1100 specs at IBM? |
| 21:06:17 | Twiun | doh... intel even |
| 21:06:18 | hardwire | X11 working |
| 21:06:23 | hardwire | w/ suspend resume working |
| 21:06:46 | Neo|Work | never mind, found it |
| 21:06:46 | hardwire | a friend put together a bunch of shit that seemed to work so I stole his rom |
| 21:06:58 | Neo|Work | Twiun: the bus speed is UP TO 100 MHz which would mean it might vary |
| 21:07:03 | Neo|Work | but I found the sharp dev site |
| 21:07:42 | Twiun | Neo|Work: and it's got useful info? |
| 21:07:46 | Twiun | faints |
| 21:07:51 | Twiun | what's the world coming to? |
| 21:09:22 | Neo|Work | dunno |
| 21:10:00 | Neo|Work | still don't find the info I'm looking for but.. :) |
| 21:37:02 | kergoth | oGMo: ping |
| 21:41:40 | hardwire | http://cclib.nsu.ru/projects/gnudocs/gnudocs/zlibc/zlibc_1.html |
| 21:41:48 | hardwire | is gonna get that working real quick :) |
| 21:42:11 | hardwire | gzip compressed swap :) |
| 21:42:15 | hardwire | hopefully :) |
| 21:42:42 | oGMo | kergoth. |
| 21:42:45 | hardwire | `oh |
| 21:42:48 | hardwire | thats just uncompression |
| 21:44:23 | hardwire | hmm |
| 21:45:00 | hardwire | mtdram work on the z? |
| 21:47:47 | Twiun | hardwire: what kind of perf hit? |
| 21:52:53 | hardwire | Twiun dunno yet |
| 21:52:53 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:53:02 | Twiun | bah, not ready yet! |
| 21:53:11 | Twiun | cracks his whip! |
| 21:54:19 | hardwire | cries |
| 21:54:39 | Cloudchaser | pats hardwire |
| 21:55:11 | Twiun | get back to work hardwire - stop getting sympathy from the ladies! |
| 21:55:16 | Twiun | cracks his whip! |
| 21:56:03 | kergoth | oGMo: that autogen.sh in that build tarball you sent me a while back, that had a shell script version comparison function for checking versions, right? |
| 21:56:10 | Neo|Work | anyone got some good ARMv4 instruction set links? |
| 21:56:10 | kergoth | oGMo: i lost it and need such a fucntion. hehe |
| 21:57:04 | chouimat|away | lends his cat-o'-nine-tails to Twiun |
| 21:57:40 | chouimat|away | Neo|Work: www.arm.com and order the ads eval cd :) |
| 21:58:09 | Twiun | chucks his whip away and starts to use the lead weighted cat-o'-nine-tails on hardwire! |
| 21:58:22 | chouimat | lol |
| 21:58:22 | Neo|Work | chouimat: I prefer downloadable. :P |
| 21:58:28 | Twiun | chouimat: it's not good enough, he's still lazing! |
| 21:58:32 | Neo|Work | I found a quick reference guide |
| 21:58:34 | Twiun | growls at hardwire |
| 21:58:39 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I have the arm_arm.pdf here |
| 21:59:07 | Neo|Work | arm arm. heh hehe |
| 21:59:14 | chouimat | Neo|Work: it's free and got it in less than a week |
| 21:59:26 | kergoth | is waiting for his :) |
| 22:00:01 | chouimat | kergoth: they ship from san jose so since I'm canada maybe you will got your friday |
| 22:00:10 | mark | wow, doing the wrong thing when using cvs is such a pain |
| 22:00:40 | Neo|Work | chouimat: put it up somewhere |
| 22:01:05 | chouimat | Neo|Work: accept DCC? |
| 22:03:33 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 22:04:07 | Neo|Work | although I found a doc for ARM7TDMI processor which uses v4 instruction set (plus thumb which SA1110 doesn't have afaik) |
| 22:04:50 | chouimat | Neo|Work: gba? |
| 22:05:10 | Neo|Work | I'm looking for the Zaurus etc |
| 22:05:32 | Neo|Work | dunno where tha ARM? processors are used but they do use the same instruction set witn the addition of thumb |
| 22:06:01 | chouimat | Neo|Work: you can also buy the ARM Architecture Reference Manual (ARM). about 40$ on amazon |
| 22:06:02 | Neo|Work | it's confusing though because ARM has ARM7, ARM9, ARM11 etc processors using ARMv4, ARMv5 and ARMv6 instruction sets |
| 22:07:13 | chouimat | ARMv is the version of the architecure and ARM11 is a chips, pretty confusing |
| 22:07:30 | Neo|Work | right |
| 22:07:41 | Neo|Work | they should have had a better distinction there |
| 22:07:47 | Neo|Work | the 'v' I guess is the real difference |
| 22:07:57 | Neo|Work | and then you have v5t etc |
| 22:07:58 | Neo|Work | too |
| 22:08:36 | chouimat | so ARM7TDMI is a chip using armv4 supporting thumb(T) and having the multiply instruction(M) the other one i don't know |
| 22:09:00 | oGMo | kergoth: sorry, was getting food... yeah, i believe so, i've got one elsewhere if you want |
| 22:09:30 | kergoth | oGMo: thatd be appreciated |
| 22:09:45 | oGMo | kergoth: but, check http://www.nwlink.com/~rpav/zaurus.tar.gz |
| 22:09:50 | oGMo | that's the tarball |
| 22:09:53 | oGMo | of the autostuff |
| 22:09:58 | kergoth | okay, thanks |
| 22:10:13 | oGMo | np |
| 22:12:14 | chouimat | oGMo: what that tarball? |
| 22:12:44 | oGMo | chouimat: a nice zaurus autoconf/make setup |
| 22:12:54 | chouimat | oGMo: cool |
| 22:12:55 | oGMo | well, teh qt bit needs some work, but it works |
| 22:13:18 | oGMo | chouimat: yeah, you can change hosts for compiling with a simple ./configure --host=... |
| 22:13:21 | oGMo | or whatever |
| 22:13:25 | oGMo | target rather |
| 22:13:57 | oGMo | although, the bit where it selects architecture flags needs linked to your architecture, too, but that's easy |
| 22:15:46 | hardwire | doing an x86 test |
| 22:15:49 | hardwire | loopmounted jffs2 |
| 22:15:54 | hardwire | added a blank swap image |
| 22:16:00 | hardwire | loop mounting the swap image |
| 22:16:11 | hardwire | this should compress the loop somewhat |
| 22:16:13 | hardwire | just not often |
| 22:16:14 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:16:22 | chouimat | hardwire: ? |
| 22:16:22 | hardwire | but that may mean more memory for 5000D users |
| 22:16:27 | hardwire | compressed swap |
| 22:16:36 | hardwire | working on my x86 machine right now :) |
| 22:17:12 | chouimat | hardwire: how big the swap? |
| 22:17:17 | hardwire | 16 megs |
| 22:17:31 | Neo|Work | chouimat: thanks, just the document I needed |
| 22:17:34 | hardwire | should compress to any amount that jffs2 can compress it to |
| 22:18:11 | chouimat | Neo|Work: just made you save 40$ |
| 22:18:54 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 22:19:06 | chouimat | hardwire: now test that on the z :) |
| 22:19:10 | Neo|Work | you just said you got a CD for free not? |
| 22:19:12 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 22:19:38 | chouimat | Neo|Work: the cd is free but the printed book is 81.95 CDN$ |
| 22:19:43 | Neo|Work | right |
| 22:19:46 | Neo|Work | I figured |
| 22:19:57 | Neo|Work | this will us make a better game. :P |
| 22:20:03 | Neo|Work | or at least, better engine |
| 22:20:21 | hardwire | chouimat testing it on my x86 |
| 22:20:25 | hardwire | it seems less than stable/fast |
| 22:20:26 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:20:27 | hardwire | doh |
| 22:20:32 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I think I will kill some trees by printing it :) |
| 22:20:44 | hardwire | there are compressed cache stuff.. but it needs x86 asm |
| 22:21:08 | kergoth | damnit |
| 22:21:14 | kergoth | i need advanced data structures in shell |
| 22:21:18 | kergoth | is evil |
| 22:21:26 | chouimat | ok just finished my last week dishes ... |
| 22:21:37 | hardwire | hmm |
| 22:21:41 | hardwire | I would like to call this moment |
| 22:21:43 | hardwire | reboot time |
| 22:22:30 | chouimat | hardwire: any way to use a cat to broom a room? |
| 22:22:42 | Cloudchaser | i'm in linux hell here |
| 22:22:56 | hardwire | chouimat tie fly paper to a cats tail and use a laser to guide it |
| 22:23:09 | chouimat | hardwire: good :) |
| 22:23:29 | hardwire | gets peta on the phone |
| 22:26:07 | | numatrix was last seen on #openzaurus 3 hours, 56 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: AndyQ: you could just leave lots of empty directories around. Not clean, but they don't take up much space. [Tue Oct 22 12:29:49 2002] |
| 22:26:07 | jbardin | ibot seen numatrix |
| 22:26:25 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 16 hours, 53 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: see you later folks [Mon Oct 21 23:32:28 2002] |
| 22:26:25 | jbardin | ibot seen warmi |
| 22:26:45 | jbardin | hmm |
| 22:32:48 | mark | how do I make 'default branch' HEAD in cvs? |
| 22:33:16 | hardwire | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3941.png |
| 22:33:56 | treke | mark: Isnt head always the default branch? |
| 22:34:00 | chouimat | hardwire: nice |
| 22:34:19 | kergoth | mark: ? |
| 22:35:31 | ciao_linux | kergoth: hi... any news about oz3? (i was out all the afternoon) |
| 22:36:29 | Speedy2 | re |
| 22:36:54 | chouimat | hardwire: which gui? |
| 22:37:07 | mark | treke: when i see things in webcvs no. There are 1 files, but none matches the current tag (HEAD) |
| 22:38:10 | hardwire | X11 |
| 22:38:13 | hardwire | matchbox |
| 22:38:45 | mark | treke: and cvs status doesnt give a tag as HEAD |
| 22:39:51 | treke | hmm. I thought that what you got when you do not specify a tag is HEAD |
| 22:40:34 | kergoth | yep, when its not tagged, its head |
| 22:40:44 | mark | and MAIN? |
| 22:40:52 | Twiun | screams! |
| 22:40:55 | Twiun | To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be removed (299 MB): |
| 22:40:55 | Twiun | kdeedu-3.0.3-7mdk libarts-1.0.3-7mdk xscreensaver-4.05-6mdk cups-drivers-1.1-45mdk libgdk-pixbuf2-0.16.0-1mdk cups-drivers-1.1- |
| 22:41:02 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth |
| 22:41:11 | Twiun | this box *definately* needs to be rebuild |
| 22:41:47 | mark | kergoth: in cvsweb, MAIN gives me ancient stuff, HEAD gives me ancient stuff, only selecting 'all tags/default branch' gives me up to date stuff |
| 22:42:13 | kergoth | mark: then the devels arent doing development in cvs HEAD |
| 22:42:19 | | Apachectl 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=341 |
| 22:42:20 | | awk 0.0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=376 |
| 22:42:21 | | CrozzWord 1.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=190 |
| 22:42:22 | | 3 of 14 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=mail |
| 22:42:22 | ciao_linux | ibot: search zsi for mail |
| 22:42:43 | mark | kergoth: the devels are me :). thats odd, when I look at a file individually it shows TAGS as 'HEAD' |
| 22:43:27 | kergoth | mark: in your checkout of the cvs repos, cat CVS/Tag |
| 22:43:38 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 22:43:59 | mark | kergoth: no such file |
| 22:44:15 | kergoth | no idea |
| 22:44:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:44:23 | kergoth | if its not there, youi're working in HEAD |
| 22:45:07 | mark | kergoth: odd, maybe its a viewcvs prob. coz when i checkout with no tag specified, i get what i'd expect |
| 22:46:03 | kergoth | i'd say cvsweb is misbehaving myself |
| 22:46:05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:46:06 | kergoth | mark: idea |
| 22:46:36 | kergoth | mark: sanity check. cvs co -r HEAD |
| 22:47:08 | hardwire | hits the head |
| 22:48:54 | mark | kergoth: sanity check passed |
| 22:49:13 | kergoth | mark: yay |
| 22:49:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:49:17 | treke | <kergoth> now type apt-get install bitkeeper |
| 22:49:37 | kergoth | smacks treke with a full length isa pc/16e serial port card |
| 22:49:50 | treke | ow |
| 22:50:02 | mark | kergoth: heh, yeh :). cvs nightmare over. |
| 22:50:43 | mark | now, why do I have tags called 'tag1' and 'tag2'. grr |
| 22:54:48 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 23:16:17 | muaddib | hello all |
| 23:18:38 | kergoth | offers muaddib some spice melange |
| 23:31:03 | hardwire | blah blah blah |
| 23:31:18 | kergoth | !dratsab |
| 23:33:46 | hardwire | me? |
| 23:33:48 | hardwire | NPOOO |
| 23:33:50 | hardwire | err |
| 23:33:51 | hardwire | yeah |
| 23:33:59 | hardwire | cuddles a comfy couch kitty |
| 23:55:25 | jbardin | i could go for a little pussy right now |
