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| 00:01:19 | myuu | ibot: search zfi for game |
| 00:08:30 | benmeyer | TheMasterMind1: you in X11? |
| 00:08:57 | benmeyer | need a name for my photo gallery app |
| 00:09:02 | benmeyer | I think I will make it postcard ware |
| 00:09:16 | benmeyer | I always wanted to have something postcard ware |
| 00:09:21 | n57684202 | fotoview |
| 00:12:20 | untorn | I think I screwed something up...I just compiled a proggie and when I try to run it in qvfb it just runs full sized...what do you think I am missing? |
| 00:13:31 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:13:37 | kergoth | untorn: how is it supposed to run? |
| 00:13:45 | untorn | inside qvfb |
| 00:13:49 | kergoth | huh? |
| 00:13:57 | kergoth | then you compiled against qt/x11, not qt/e |
| 00:14:23 | br33zy | heh |
| 00:14:23 | untorn | I am pretty sure I ran source dev-x |
| 00:14:29 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:14:31 | kergoth | dev-x? |
| 00:14:42 | br33zy | whats dev-x? |
| 00:14:49 | kergoth | untorn: and what X driver are you using? |
| 00:16:06 | untorn | source dev-x86-qpe.sh bash scripting for compiling to x |
| 00:16:15 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:16:20 | kergoth | 'compiling to x' |
| 00:16:22 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:16:34 | kergoth | thats for compiling against a x86 qt/e and qpe |
| 00:16:36 | kergoth | to clarify |
| 00:16:37 | untorn | well actually I guess it's for compiling x86 |
| 00:16:41 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:16:42 | untorn | and not arm, |
| 00:16:53 | kergoth | so what X driver are you using |
| 00:17:32 | untorn | I do not know how to check...however I have compilied other programs that have run in qvfb I feel like I am just missing something in code |
| 00:18:28 | [PRiME] | hello channel |
| 00:19:10 | kergoth | hey prime |
| 00:19:48 | [PRiME] | I'm in an odd position here... I am looking at a Zaurus, but my primary computer is running OS X |
| 00:20:46 | [PRiME] | does qt work fine with OS X |
| 00:27:06 | br33zy | it might |
| 00:33:42 | [PRiME] | no one's had experience with it, though? |
| 00:34:51 | myuu | i believe is does prime, but most people here run x86 linux |
| 00:35:23 | kergoth | [PRiME]: email the mailing lists |
| 00:37:07 | br33zy | [PRiME], take a look at "fink" |
| 00:37:11 | br33zy | see if it was the QT Packages.. |
| 00:37:12 | br33zy | :-D |
| 00:38:35 | br33zy | http://fink.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:38:50 | br33zy | its got qt for OS X |
| 00:38:56 | br33zy | then you might be able to compile QPE |
| 00:39:00 | br33zy | and the other qt-tools |
| 00:39:11 | kergoth | course if he wants to sync with his Z, thats a whole nother ballgame |
| 00:39:18 | br33zy | yup |
| 00:39:23 | br33zy | thats not too hard.. |
| 00:39:28 | br33zy | well |
| 00:39:28 | br33zy | wait |
| 00:39:30 | br33zy | yeah it is |
| 00:39:33 | br33zy | nevermind.. |
| 00:39:39 | br33zy | usbdnet on os x.. hmmph |
| 00:39:44 | kergoth | is there a usb networking driver for osx? i know that was one of the things in the challenge.. |
| 00:39:50 | br33zy | well |
| 00:39:52 | br33zy | if you think about it |
| 00:39:56 | br33zy | its more of a usbdnet on bsd |
| 00:40:02 | br33zy | well |
| 00:40:05 | br33zy | modified closed up bsd |
| 00:40:07 | br33zy | :-) |
| 00:40:29 | br33zy | i dont think too many people compile kernels that use os x |
| 00:40:35 | br33zy | man |
| 00:40:36 | br33zy | this candle |
| 00:40:39 | br33zy | is smelling so good.. |
| 00:40:48 | br33zy | apple candle, from illuminations |
| 00:41:55 | br33zy | i feel like im talking to myself |
| 00:41:57 | br33zy | :-D |
| 00:41:59 | kergoth | you are |
| 00:42:00 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:42:04 | br33zy | heh |
| 00:42:06 | br33zy | figures.. |
| 00:42:20 | kergoth | is just listening to music. takin it easy |
| 00:42:31 | br33zy | same here |
| 00:42:35 | br33zy | well |
| 00:42:37 | br33zy | yeah |
| 00:42:39 | br33zy | :-D |
| 00:42:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:48:14 | br33zy | moo |
| 00:48:30 | kergoth | yawns |
| 00:48:57 | br33zy | candles rock |
| 00:49:01 | br33zy | they keep you alive |
| 00:49:11 | br33zy | http://breezyweb.dtdns.net/nbonsai/l.jpg |
| 00:49:15 | br33zy | dont you just love my photography? |
| 00:49:18 | br33zy | :) |
| 00:51:17 | myuu | 1337 |
| 00:54:30 | myuu | im trying to find mine |
| 00:55:28 | myuu | http://tenthgeneration.com/skyburst.jpg |
| 00:55:32 | myuu | clouds...what a cliche |
| 00:58:33 | jbardin | z0r |
| 00:59:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:00:34 | jbardin | blind utility eh |
| 01:02:17 | br33zy | hehe |
| 01:02:24 | br33zy | i like the clouds |
| 01:04:03 | jbardin | anyone know howto remap the mail and menu button on the z? |
| 01:04:17 | br33zy | probably in soem configs |
| 01:04:17 | jbardin | so that it doesnt load up the persepcitve app |
| 01:04:23 | br33zy | look through /etc/ |
| 01:04:25 | kergoth | jbardin: what rom |
| 01:04:37 | br33zy | or let him tell you |
| 01:04:37 | br33zy | :) |
| 01:04:37 | jbardin | well i mean like use them in my app |
| 01:04:43 | jbardin | um the latest |
| 01:04:46 | jbardin | i think 2.38 |
| 01:05:05 | jbardin | er 1.37 |
| 01:05:26 | wParam | you use QPEApplication::grabKeyboard () to stop the z from launching things when you press them |
| 01:05:33 | jbardin | cool |
| 01:05:44 | jbardin | and what are those buttons in terms of keyboard buttons? |
| 01:06:04 | wParam | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/keys_howto.shtml |
| 01:06:24 | wParam | though I've found that up, down, left, and right are as you would expect, not rotated like that page says |
| 01:06:35 | wParam | but the rest of the keys it lists should be good |
| 01:09:02 | jbardin | do i need to ungrab the keyboard at the end of my app? |
| 01:13:05 | WingLover | jbardin, not according to the docs. |
| 01:14:00 | jbardin | hmm can i do that from a C app? |
| 01:14:50 | wParam | you might be able to include a little c++ wrapper file to call that function |
| 01:14:57 | jbardin | hmm |
| 01:15:05 | wParam | i don't know if it'll work the way you want, though |
| 01:23:12 | myuu | wonders how good blind would be at replacing suspend |
| 01:23:30 | DaWorm | it's good |
| 01:23:35 | DaWorm | 9 hours of mp3 playback! |
| 01:23:36 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:23:54 | DaWorm | just make sure you turn off the backlight options |
| 01:24:09 | myuu | ive been having issues with suspend killing opie...so i wonder if blind would be better |
| 01:24:13 | DaWorm | or else, it'll turn back on with just the light and no lcd |
| 01:25:05 | br33zy | i love these chocolate covered cherries |
| 01:26:11 | DaWorm | i like the ones with a hint of alcohol inside |
| 01:26:12 | chouimat|tv | DaWorm: dr.blind? |
| 01:26:37 | DaWorm | no, just blind |
| 01:26:42 | br33zy | DaWorm, im only 12.. :( |
| 01:26:43 | DaWorm | i noticed that 2 days ago |
| 01:27:02 | DaWorm | oh |
| 01:27:03 | br33zy | heh |
| 01:27:07 | jbardin | i suppose i could make a .so library that does the grabkeyboard stuff in c++ ? |
| 01:27:18 | br33zy | sure |
| 01:27:28 | ljp | hey! I'm 12 also! |
| 01:27:29 | chouimat|tv | DaWorm: where? |
| 01:27:31 | br33zy | it would be kind of odd |
| 01:27:32 | DaWorm | heh |
| 01:27:35 | br33zy | but cool |
| 01:27:53 | chouimat|tv | I feeling so old with those kids |
| 01:27:59 | DaWorm | i think Dr. Blind was a release of someone else |
| 01:28:13 | DaWorm | and the first blind didn't dock on the panel |
| 01:28:15 | br33zy | hey did my ruby port get on the oz feeds yet? |
| 01:28:17 | br33zy | err zz |
| 01:28:22 | DaWorm | ruby! |
| 01:28:34 | br33zy | DaWorm, what about it |
| 01:28:39 | DaWorm | i like it |
| 01:28:44 | wParam | jbardin: are you making a console app? (is that why you get to use C?) |
| 01:28:44 | DaWorm | :D |
| 01:28:58 | br33zy | DaWorm, i ported it |
| 01:28:58 | jbardin | wParam, no an nes emulator written in C using the SDL for graphics |
| 01:29:08 | br33zy | DaWorm: ben is gonna put it on the feeds |
| 01:29:10 | br33zy | or |
| 01:29:12 | br33zy | feed |
| 01:29:13 | br33zy | :) |
| 01:29:16 | DaWorm | although i did hear about porting ruby on ruby-lang a while back, but it got stuck |
| 01:29:30 | br33zy | i bet some fimiliar guy already ported it |
| 01:29:34 | br33zy | but thats ok |
| 01:29:36 | br33zy | heh |
| 01:29:47 | DaWorm | actually talked to matz about it but he said he has no idea about porting |
| 01:29:58 | br33zy | i didnt do anything |
| 01:30:01 | br33zy | but download it |
| 01:30:03 | br33zy | do a ./configure |
| 01:30:04 | wParam | jbardin: oooh, ok. i guess you could make an .so, but isn't it a bit much? All you need is one .cpp file that has two functions, each with extern "C" |
| 01:30:05 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:30:07 | br33zy | went the the makefile |
| 01:30:13 | br33zy | and changed it to arm-linux-gcc |
| 01:30:16 | br33zy | arent i bright? |
| 01:30:18 | br33zy | haha |
| 01:30:19 | DaWorm | i'll check it out |
| 01:30:21 | DaWorm | :D |
| 01:30:21 | wParam | then you wouldn't have to bother dealing with the .so |
| 01:30:21 | br33zy | and it works fine |
| 01:30:23 | myuu | i could have sworn i saw an ipk for ruby |
| 01:30:35 | br33zy | DaWorm, watch out, the exec. (even stripped!) is 520k |
| 01:30:54 | DaWorm | what a bright 12 year old! |
| 01:30:59 | br33zy | uh uh |
| 01:31:04 | br33zy | myuu, maybe.. |
| 01:31:05 | br33zy | heh |
| 01:31:12 | br33zy | i couldnt find it on kieffel |
| 01:31:16 | br33zy | however you spell it |
| 01:31:17 | br33zy | hehe |
| 01:31:37 | br33zy | its not on the zaurus zone feed either |
| 01:31:55 | br33zy | or the opie zaurus feed |
| 01:33:51 | br33zy | ahh damn |
| 01:34:12 | br33zy | there we go |
| 01:34:17 | br33zy | nice little ip masquerding script |
| 01:34:19 | br33zy | :) |
| 01:38:25 | jbardin | man, my dogs are too funny, i went out to the living room and saw a cup on the floor, i pick it up and they both go running for the bathroom (there spot for timeout) |
| 01:38:31 | br33zy | how do i find out on what a ipk depends on? |
| 01:40:37 | br33zy | jbardin.. heh.. what kind of dogs? |
| 01:41:33 | jbardin | ones a pure pit, the others a beagle jack mix |
| 01:42:18 | br33zy | uh huh |
| 01:42:42 | jbardin | ? |
| 01:42:52 | br33zy | nothing |
| 01:43:17 | jbardin | haha what you dont beleive me ;) |
| 01:44:17 | br33zy | no |
| 01:44:18 | br33zy | i do |
| 01:58:22 | jbardin | how can i make a library that has 1 function? |
| 01:58:43 | jbardin | liek i am trying to compile a c++ code for grabKeyboard into a library so i can link to it from my C app |
| 01:58:52 | jbardin | but i keep getting undefined reference errors in my C app |
| 02:01:17 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:01:24 | jbardin | kergoth, how would i got about coding a library in C++ then linking to it in C? |
| 02:01:50 | br33zy | jbardin, sounds kinda inefficient to me |
| 02:01:55 | br33zy | why dont you just code it all in c++/ |
| 02:02:02 | jbardin | well i need a way to grab the keyboard from my c app |
| 02:02:09 | kergoth | jbardin: carefully |
| 02:02:10 | jbardin | well i dont feel like recoding the emulator into c++ |
| 02:02:19 | kergoth | jbardin: mixing c++ and c is often a pain in the ass, to put it mildly |
| 02:02:21 | br33zy | emulater huh |
| 02:02:25 | br33zy | jbardin, for what? |
| 02:02:26 | kergoth | jbardin: judicious use of C linkage is your friend |
| 02:02:31 | jbardin | famicom |
| 02:02:33 | br33zy | yup |
| 02:02:40 | br33zy | you could make two .o files |
| 02:02:41 | br33zy | and then |
| 02:02:43 | kergoth | no |
| 02:02:45 | kergoth | not that simple |
| 02:02:48 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 02:02:50 | br33zy | that sucks |
| 02:02:51 | kergoth | just linking them together doesnt mean they can call one another |
| 02:02:58 | jbardin | yea.. i found that out allready |
| 02:02:59 | kergoth | because c++ symbols include type information |
| 02:03:04 | br33zy | ooo |
| 02:03:05 | kergoth | extern "C" { } |
| 02:03:05 | wParam | why does it need to be a .so at all? |
| 02:03:09 | kergoth | that sets c linkage |
| 02:03:14 | kergoth | wParam: he said .o, not .so |
| 02:03:20 | jbardin | it doesnt need to be an so, it could be a staticlib |
| 02:03:22 | br33zy | yup |
| 02:03:23 | kergoth | object code, not a shared library |
| 02:03:24 | br33zy | im wrong |
| 02:03:25 | br33zy | heh |
| 02:03:27 | jbardin | extern "C" in my library? |
| 02:03:35 | br33zy | i know you could make it a library |
| 02:03:41 | kergoth | jbardin: extern "C" {} around the c++ function declarations will let you use those functions from C |
| 02:03:47 | br33zy | because eventually when you compile it into a library, isnt it in machine code? |
| 02:03:52 | br33zy | right kergoth? |
| 02:04:09 | kergoth | jbardin: extern "C" {} around a #include lets you access the standard c headers without madness |
| 02:04:14 | kergoth | jbardin: and lets you call those c functions |
| 02:04:21 | br33zy | this is why i hate c++ |
| 02:04:22 | br33zy | heh |
| 02:04:28 | br33zy | i like printf better than cout |
| 02:04:30 | br33zy | brb |
| 02:04:37 | kergoth | calling one language from another is often a pain regardless |
| 02:04:37 | myuu | heh |
| 02:04:38 | br33zy | is away: brb |
| 02:04:47 | kergoth | unless that language has a means of interfacing with it |
| 02:04:58 | kergoth | and C++ does have a means of setting C linkage, which i said earlier |
| 02:06:10 | jbardin | arg still no go |
| 02:06:20 | kergoth | then you missed someg |
| 02:06:21 | kergoth | something |
| 02:06:25 | kergoth | ive done it |
| 02:06:31 | kergoth | its a bitch |
| 02:06:34 | jparrott | I'm selling my zaurus for 280 reserve on Ebay right now... only a month old please check out! |
| 02:06:37 | kergoth | but it works |
| 02:06:40 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:06:53 | jbardin | hmm i have the .h file included in my c app, and the libgrabkeys.a in my link directive |
| 02:07:01 | jbardin | but still getting undefined reference errors |
| 02:08:22 | wParam | you've got extern "C" on the functions you want to call? |
| 02:08:35 | jbardin | yea |
| 02:08:43 | jbardin | wait i think i need to update the header file |
| 02:09:05 | wParam | C will complain if you tell it to compile something containing extern "C" |
| 02:09:21 | wParam | you'll have to #ifdef to only put the "C" directive in cpp code |
| 02:09:42 | wParam | in vc++ __cplusplus is defined, I don't know what the gcc equivalent might be |
| 02:10:10 | jbardin | i think its the same |
| 02:10:27 | wParam | ok. |
| 02:10:41 | jbardin | i have my function defined as static void grabkeys ()? |
| 02:10:44 | jbardin | should i use a different type? |
| 02:11:16 | wParam | are you sure you want static on there? |
| 02:11:31 | wParam | that may be causing your problem |
| 02:11:32 | jbardin | well it is just a wrapper for QPEApplication::grabKeyboard(); |
| 02:12:04 | wParam | i think static on a function means not to export the symbol |
| 02:12:14 | wParam | i.e. it will only be visible to other code in the same file |
| 02:14:11 | jbardin | hmm |
| 02:15:49 | jbardin | rock |
| 02:15:52 | jbardin | thats what it was |
| 02:15:57 | wParam | cool |
| 02:26:53 | DaWorm | a 640x480 zaurus |
| 02:26:59 | DaWorm | man qtopia would look weird on that |
| 02:30:46 | jbardin | hmmm C apps dont understand F13 do thet? |
| 02:31:12 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:31:26 | wParam | i dunno... that may be an sdl limitation |
| 02:31:34 | jbardin | well in the code there isnt a F13 defined... |
| 02:31:42 | wParam | oh |
| 02:31:57 | wParam | you can probably look it up in the qtopia headers |
| 02:32:04 | br33zy | are there any mame emulaters? |
| 02:32:11 | br33zy | for zaurus |
| 02:32:12 | wParam | just define it yourself, it'll probably work |
| 02:38:25 | jbardin | you wouldnt hapeen to know what the byte value for f13 is? |
| 02:38:46 | darienm | Okay, so when I hit '/' at start, then 'a' to get the Linux console - it boots Qtopia anyway. Any idea why? Or, where can I configure this setting? It worked fine a few days ago. |
| 02:39:02 | kergoth | hey darienm |
| 02:39:48 | darienm | hey K. |
| 02:39:54 | darienm | how dd I froak my Z ? |
| 02:40:10 | wParam | Key_F13 is defined in qnamespace.h as 0x103c |
| 02:40:11 | darienm | Everything was fine, now it doesn't know how to get to Linux console... |
| 02:42:24 | jbardin | interesting |
| 02:51:32 | chouimat|zzzz | night |
| 02:52:04 | jbardin | arg.. like it understands F13 but its just not picking it up |
| 02:52:25 | wParam | do you get any sort of key event for pressing that key? |
| 02:52:48 | jbardin | no |
| 02:53:32 | wParam | strange... maybe sdl is ignoring it? |
| 02:54:59 | jbardin | mm probably... |
| 02:58:48 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 02:58:55 | DaWorm | hello :D |
| 02:59:51 | jbardin | hmm this dont make any sense the qtopia code for sdl has a bunch of #if 0 in it |
| 03:00:39 | wParam | guess they needed to comment out code with /**/ comments in it |
| 03:02:52 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 03:02:57 | DaWorm | myzaurus is down |
| 03:03:06 | DaWorm | an ominous sign :D |
| 03:03:18 | jbardin | yea but doesnt the stuff in the if 0 block not get compiled? |
| 03:03:25 | wParam | yeah |
| 03:03:30 | br33zy | why does eveyrbody neeed to get to myzaurus.com? |
| 03:03:38 | kergoth | jbardin: yes. its a *comment* or a piece of code that is intentionally disabled |
| 03:03:43 | wParam | so it works the same wan /* */ does |
| 03:04:02 | kergoth | except that you can have /* */ within a if 0 |
| 03:04:08 | kergoth | you cant have /* */ within another /* */ |
| 03:04:17 | jbardin | right... |
| 03:04:20 | kergoth | which is why its most often used to disable blocks of code that have comments in them |
| 03:04:24 | wParam | you can even have #if 0 inside of an #if 0 |
| 03:04:27 | br33zy | /* << start of comment |
| 03:04:34 | br33zy | */ << end of comment |
| 03:04:36 | kergoth | br33zy: yes, and? |
| 03:04:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:04:40 | br33zy | haga |
| 03:04:41 | br33zy | haha |
| 03:04:43 | br33zy | nevermind |
| 03:04:46 | br33zy | wrong window anyway |
| 03:04:47 | br33zy | write guy |
| 03:04:48 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:04:50 | br33zy | right* |
| 03:04:51 | br33zy | errrrrrrrrr |
| 03:04:53 | br33zy | nevermind |
| 03:05:04 | kergoth | goes back to coding |
| 03:10:56 | jbardin | haha maybe my buttons arent working cause of hardware failure... |
| 03:11:10 | jbardin | i know one of the slid contacts if offskew... |
| 03:11:46 | jbardin | cause my buttons dont work even if i am just in qtopia |
| 03:12:08 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:12:36 | wParam | hehe, well, that would explain it |
| 03:12:44 | jbardin | those are some tiny ass screws on there too |
| 03:13:37 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:13:42 | br33zy | m |
| 03:18:11 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:20:24 | jbardin | well off to walmart for an eyeglass kit |
| 03:20:35 | wParam | later |
| 03:29:19 | br33zy | ah fuck |
| 03:29:23 | br33zy | i just deleted a needed directory |
| 03:29:30 | br33zy | stupid |
| 03:29:30 | br33zy | stupid |
| 03:29:32 | br33zy | stupid stupid |
| 03:29:38 | br33zy | bangs his head against the wall |
| 03:29:55 | br33zy | is going to try to remove "rm" from his /bin |
| 03:30:16 | br33zy | rm rm |
| 03:30:17 | br33zy | heheh |
| 03:32:22 | ljp | put this in your ~/.bashrc alias rm='rm -i' |
| 03:32:42 | br33zy | huh |
| 03:32:52 | br33zy | oh |
| 03:32:53 | br33zy | hehe |
| 03:33:10 | kergoth | hates rm -i |
| 03:33:27 | br33zy | good idea |
| 03:33:29 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:37:59 | ljp | it helps when you have too fast fingers |
| 03:39:27 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:39:40 | br33zy | moo |
| 03:39:45 | br33zy | moo |
| 03:42:03 | wParam | do I have to do anything special to use floating point on the zaurus? |
| 03:42:40 | br33zy | float myvariable; |
| 03:42:42 | br33zy | haha |
| 03:42:57 | wParam | well yeah |
| 03:43:00 | kergoth | wParam: if you use it, you take a *MAJOR* performance hit |
| 03:43:11 | wParam | but just for the part that uses it, right? |
| 03:43:16 | kergoth | wParam: either 1) you let gcc replace it with soft-float, or 2) you use the Z's kernel floating point emulation |
| 03:43:21 | kergoth | either way its going to blow |
| 03:43:46 | wParam | I just want to do ((float)rand () / RAND_MAX) |
| 03:43:57 | kergoth | go ahead |
| 03:43:59 | kergoth | just saying |
| 03:44:09 | wParam | to get a random spot in the playlist. |
| 03:44:38 | wParam | ok, but I mean that doesn't, like, make the whole rest of the program go slower, right? |
| 03:44:45 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:45:42 | wParam | not that speed is all that important in an mp3 player frontend, but still |
| 03:45:49 | br33zy | you need a floatin gpoint to get a random spot int the playlist? |
| 03:46:16 | wParam | if i want to be lazy i do |
| 03:46:39 | wParam | rand () % listlength may not be evenly distributed |
| 03:47:29 | wParam | so I can either go look for an integer rand that lets me specify the max or try to play games with << and >> |
| 03:47:43 | wParam | and i'm too lazy to bother |
| 03:49:42 | br33zy | well.. |
| 03:51:13 | wParam | dang it, now I want to play games with << and >> |
| 03:52:18 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:52:45 | WingLover | what's wrong with random() % listlength again? |
| 03:53:12 | wParam | it isn't evenly distributed |
| 03:53:19 | WingLover | why not? |
| 03:53:49 | wParam | something having to do with the fact that % is using the lower-order bits |
| 03:53:58 | WingLover | Oh. |
| 03:54:11 | wParam | 'man rand' talks about it a little bit |
| 03:54:15 | WingLover | I dunno, seems to work okay for me, with 3 items. |
| 03:54:20 | wParam | enough to say "this is bad", anyway |
| 03:54:25 | wParam | yeah, I use % all the time |
| 03:54:30 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:54:48 | wParam | but it isn't quite right, and i don't want certain songs coming up more than others if i can help it |
| 03:55:45 | WingLover | Oh, the man page I read for rand() says that it used to be preferable to use random() but that now they're the same, and the high-orde bits are just as random as the low-order ones |
| 03:57:34 | wParam | interesting |
| 03:58:45 | br33zy | moo |
| 04:00:47 | br33zy | heh |
| 04:07:04 | jbardin | well the operation was a success |
| 04:07:08 | jbardin | but the buttons still dont work ;( |
| 04:07:37 | wParam | don't work in qt or in your program? |
| 04:07:51 | jbardin | rock, had to reboot qt |
| 04:07:58 | jbardin | i think my app didnt relese the keyboard |
| 04:09:03 | jbardin | urg no good.. its not releaseing the keyboard after exit |
| 04:09:37 | wParam | were you calling ungrab yourself or relying on qt to figure it out? |
| 04:10:43 | kergoth | jbardin: there's a ungrab keyboard bug in sharp's qpe |
| 04:10:46 | kergoth | jbardin: good luck |
| 04:12:50 | wParam | oh that's just wonderful... I need to use grab keyboard for my own program... maybe it's time to switch to openzaurus |
| 04:14:21 | jbardin | haha |
| 04:14:22 | jbardin | great |
| 04:14:42 | kergoth | you should hear Neo go off about that one |
| 04:14:43 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:16:53 | br33zy | wahoo! |
| 04:16:56 | br33zy | i finished writing a daemon |
| 04:17:03 | br33zy | that flashs your mail led |
| 04:17:09 | br33zy | whenver there is major internet activity on the zaurus |
| 04:17:14 | br33zy | cool huh? |
| 04:17:34 | br33zy | i'll submit it into the zaurus zone thing soon |
| 04:17:39 | wParam | how much does it flash? I know the email program drives me crazy because it won't STOP flashing at me |
| 04:18:02 | br33zy | you can set it to flash ever this number of packets |
| 04:18:14 | br33zy | ./ledf 5 & |
| 04:18:30 | br33zy | that makes it flash once every 5 packets |
| 04:18:45 | wParam | in case I wanted to have a seizure? |
| 04:18:57 | wParam | anytime I tried to download something? |
| 04:18:59 | br33zy | its libpcap with open() & iocl leds.. |
| 04:19:09 | br33zy | yeah |
| 04:19:17 | br33zy | it would flash on ever 5 packets that come and go |
| 04:19:20 | br33zy | brb |
| 04:19:32 | wParam | if you could get it to flash when you went over x number of packets per second, that might be more useful |
| 04:21:25 | br33zy | i would need to incorperate a timer |
| 04:26:28 | jbardin | so does this bug exist in all verison? |
| 04:26:45 | kergoth | jbardin: i dont believe it was ever fixed on the sharp rom |
| 04:26:50 | kergoth | jbardin: ask neo |
| 04:28:46 | | ibot was last seen on #bzflag 55 days, 5 hours, 1 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: ibot insult ibot [Mon Aug 26 17:27:15 2002] |
| 04:28:46 | jbardin | ibot seen ibot |
| 04:28:53 | jbardin | yay hes back |
| 04:29:00 | | neo was last seen on #tomcat 11 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: is away: Zzzzzz [Wed Oct 9 16:40:00 2002] |
| 04:29:00 | jbardin | ibot seen neo |
| 04:29:11 | jbardin | man.. thats a long time to sleep |
| 04:29:39 | kergoth | nono |
| 04:29:42 | | neo|work was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 3 hours, 40 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: deevee: bye bye [Fri Oct 18 18:49:33 2002] |
| 04:29:42 | kergoth | ibot seen neo|work |
| 04:29:46 | | kergoth: what? |
| 04:29:46 | kergoth | ibot see neo|home |
| 04:29:50 | | neotron was last seen on #zaurus 8 days, 9 hours, 13 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: it's running Linux, it is faster, it's better [Sat Oct 12 13:16:06 2002] |
| 04:29:50 | kergoth | ibot seen neotron |
| 04:29:55 | | neo|home was last seen on #zaurus 17 days, 22 hours, 50 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: won't [Wed Oct 2 23:39:19 2002] |
| 04:29:55 | kergoth | ibot seen neo|home |
| 04:29:57 | kergoth | that neo |
| 04:29:59 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:30:08 | treke|home | it's NeoTron when he's home :) |
| 04:30:17 | | Neo|Laptop was last seen on #zaurus 13 days, 35 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: fusion94: evening [Mon Oct 7 21:54:34 2002] |
| 04:30:17 | treke|home | ibot, seen Neo|Laptop? |
| 04:30:18 | kergoth | i can tell.. 17 days.. |
| 04:30:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:30:35 | | br33zy: i'm not following you... |
| 04:30:35 | br33zy | ibot seenw armi |
| 04:30:41 | | warmi was last seen on #handhelds.org 9 days, 1 hours, 8 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Fri Oct 11 21:22:16 2002] |
| 04:30:41 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 04:30:50 | br33zy | 9 days? |
| 04:30:53 | br33zy | hows that possible |
| 04:30:56 | br33zy | i talked to him yesterday |
| 04:31:03 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 9 days, 7 hours, 14 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: i want to go home [Fri Oct 11 15:16:52 2002] |
| 04:31:03 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 04:31:07 | kergoth | br33zy: dood |
| 04:31:09 | br33zy | that is wrong |
| 04:31:11 | kergoth | br33zy: ibot wasnt here yesterday |
| 04:31:14 | br33zy | oh |
| 04:31:14 | | treke|home: huh? |
| 04:31:14 | treke|home | ibot was down |
| 04:31:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:31:20 | br33zy | heh |
| 04:31:22 | | i think was is tea? |
| 04:31:22 | br33zy | ibot was |
| 04:31:27 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:31:33 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 04:31:33 | kergoth | ibot sucks |
| 04:32:19 | wParam | lol |
| 04:32:43 | TrekCycling | anyone using FCE-Ultra? |
| 04:39:58 | anselor|home | anyone come up with ideas for hooking up the new vision phones with the Z? |
| 04:40:02 | anselor|home | I got a vision phone today |
| 04:40:05 | br33zy | kergoth: |
| 04:40:11 | br33zy | in fdisk |
| 04:40:29 | br33zy | what fat should i use to be able to flash my cf card from? |
| 04:40:32 | kergoth | fat16 |
| 04:40:33 | br33zy | FAT16 < 32M |
| 04:40:37 | br33zy | FAT16 |
| 04:40:46 | br33zy | Win95 FAT16 (LB |
| 04:40:53 | br33zy | Hidden FAT16 |
| 04:41:05 | br33zy | just regular |
| 04:41:05 | br33zy | FAT16? |
| 04:41:10 | kergoth | FAT16 |
| 04:41:14 | br33zy | ok |
| 04:41:43 | br33zy | and mkfs.vfat = fat16, right? |
| 04:41:55 | anselor|home | vfat is fat32 |
| 04:42:01 | br33zy | huh? |
| 04:42:06 | kergoth | wrong |
| 04:42:09 | br33zy | phew |
| 04:42:12 | anselor|home | isn't it? |
| 04:42:15 | kergoth | vfat can be fat12, fat16, fat32 |
| 04:42:16 | br33zy | heh |
| 04:42:18 | anselor|home | oh |
| 04:42:21 | anselor|home | ok |
| 04:42:26 | br33zy | virtual fat? |
| 04:42:27 | kergoth | vfat is just the table for dealing with long filenames |
| 04:42:32 | br33zy | damn.. who needs that |
| 04:42:34 | kergoth | the linux vfat driver supports all those i listed |
| 04:42:38 | anselor|home | ooh |
| 04:42:44 | kergoth | mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 04:42:44 | kergoth | iirc |
| 04:42:48 | kergoth | -F sets fat size |
| 04:42:49 | kergoth | fat16 |
| 04:42:50 | br33zy | err |
| 04:43:04 | kergoth | jej |
| 04:43:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:43:57 | Hellaenergy | Howdy all |
| 04:44:14 | br33zy | whats up |
| 04:44:29 | Hellaenergy | got the sunday blues :( |
| 04:44:37 | kergoth | hey Hellaenergy |
| 04:44:41 | kergoth | know how that goes |
| 04:44:45 | Hellaenergy | hey kergoth |
| 04:44:47 | kergoth | fucking snowing earlier, wtf is that |
| 04:44:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:44:59 | Hellaenergy | did you? |
| 04:45:08 | kergoth | did i what? |
| 04:45:09 | Hellaenergy | where are you at again? |
| 04:45:14 | Hellaenergy | get snowed on |
| 04:45:22 | kergoth | in brooklyn park |
| 04:45:28 | kergoth | theres actually still a light coverage on the ground |
| 04:45:38 | Hellaenergy | Brainerd got 8 inches |
| 04:45:51 | Hellaenergy | so far |
| 04:45:54 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 04:46:28 | Hellaenergy | I saw on Monster.com that digi is hiring embeded software devlopers |
| 04:46:34 | Hellaenergy | you got that goin on yet? |
| 04:47:37 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: heh, i wish. they just canned 21 people man |
| 04:47:51 | Hellaenergy | I aint lyin |
| 04:47:56 | kergoth | nuts |
| 04:47:59 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 04:48:04 | kergoth | they can 21 people and they're hiring. wtf. |
| 04:48:07 | Hellaenergy | It has been posted on Monster for at least a week |
| 04:48:19 | Hellaenergy | how long ago was that? |
| 04:49:07 | kergoth | um, some time last week iirc |
| 04:49:13 | kergoth | oh |
| 04:49:17 | kergoth | and we dont get raises this year |
| 04:49:18 | kergoth | at all |
| 04:49:20 | kergoth | motherfuckers |
| 04:49:46 | Hellaenergy | damb you need to find another spot |
| 04:49:57 | Hellaenergy | the eco is boostin no-a-days |
| 04:50:09 | treke|home | Hellaenergy: might want to avoid applying for the digi job :) |
| 04:50:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:53:27 | Hellaenergy | yawns |
| 04:54:17 | Hellaenergy | Man my server of 7 years died last night :( |
| 04:54:38 | DaWorm | wow |
| 04:54:41 | DaWorm | 7 years |
| 04:54:53 | Hellaenergy | The weird thing was I had just bought a new one that day |
| 04:55:02 | wParam | it knew you were cheating on it |
| 04:55:06 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 04:55:19 | br33zy | 7 years no rebooting? |
| 04:55:21 | Hellaenergy | I had to hook my z up as a backup |
| 04:55:27 | Hellaenergy | smiles |
| 04:55:35 | br33zy | seriously? |
| 04:55:36 | br33zy | no rebooting |
| 04:55:38 | br33zy | 7 years? |
| 04:55:39 | Hellaenergy | many reboots |
| 04:55:42 | br33zy | oh |
| 04:55:45 | br33zy | nevermind |
| 04:55:49 | br33zy | sounds like a story though |
| 04:56:07 | Hellaenergy | it didn't just go down it's motherboard fried |
| 04:56:24 | Hellaenergy | Got more out of that dell than I thought, though. |
| 04:56:30 | treke|home | Hellaenergy: did you give it a proper burial? |
| 04:56:45 | Hellaenergy | its in the morge now |
| 04:57:07 | Hellaenergy | there are still alot of good organs :) |
| 04:57:25 | treke|home | blasphemy |
| 04:57:37 | Hellaenergy | ha |
| 04:58:28 | Hellaenergy | Has anyone ported lm-sensors to the Z yet? |
| 04:58:35 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 04:59:01 | Hellaenergy | I wonder how hot that little processor gets :) |
| 04:59:35 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: lm-sensors probably uses acpi or something. i doubt the Z even has heat sensors |
| 04:59:49 | Hellaenergy | True that |
| 05:00:08 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 05:00:18 | DaWorm | you think lm_sensors can run on the zaurus? |
| 05:00:34 | Hellaenergy | how is OZ coming along kergoth? |
| 05:00:49 | | 'kergoth' is 0% lame, Hellaenergy |
| 05:00:49 | Hellaenergy | ibot: nickometer kergoth |
| 05:00:52 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: pretty good. new release tomorrow or the next day, we're waiting on *1* bug fix |
| 05:01:03 | Hellaenergy | What is it? |
| 05:01:09 | DaWorm | a trojan! |
| 05:01:10 | DaWorm | :D |
| 05:01:52 | kergoth | the bug? we're using a new network setup app |
| 05:01:55 | kergoth | that ben meyer wrote |
| 05:01:58 | Hellaenergy | where you in Friday DaWorm? |
| 05:02:00 | kergoth | a hell of a lot better than netsetup in opie |
| 05:02:10 | kergoth | but its got a crash bug |
| 05:02:15 | kergoth | ben is pretty sure he knows what it is |
| 05:02:17 | kergoth | so we'll see |
| 05:02:35 | Hellaenergy | I'll keep my eye's open for that new shit |
| 05:03:06 | kergoth | yeah, i'll send out email noticies and shit when it releases |
| 05:03:21 | Hellaenergy | Lets all lower our heads and be thankful that we are not using windows CE |
| 05:03:47 | Hellaenergy | lowers his head |
| 05:03:48 | kergoth | lowers his head in thanks |
| 05:04:28 | wParam | lowers his head too but wonders why |
| 05:04:41 | Hellaenergy | You all have a good time of day, goodnight. |
| 05:04:59 | Hellaenergy | exits stage right |
| 05:05:03 | kergoth | later Hellaenergy |
| 05:05:13 | DaWorm | goes back to work |
| 05:05:18 | jbardin | damnit something good comes out and this happens |
| 05:05:20 | jbardin | http://www.movietickets.com/movie_detail.asp?movie_id=37835&SearchSort=1&SearchZip=33601&SearchRadius=1000&image1.x=11&image1.y=7&ShowDate=5 |
| 05:06:05 | DaWorm | naqoyqatsi? |
| 05:06:13 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:06:27 | DaWorm | that's a movie? |
| 05:06:37 | treke|home | sounds like a student film |
| 05:06:51 | jbardin | yea, it looks interesting |
| 05:07:01 | treke|home | smacks jbardin |
| 05:07:01 | jbardin | http://www.naqoy.com/ |
| 05:07:42 | jbardin | or i can pay 8 bucks to see the latest crap from the main stream shit pipe |
| 05:07:51 | treke|home | works for me |
| 05:07:57 | br33zy | is "Linux" in fdisk = ext2? |
| 05:07:57 | jbardin | haha |
| 05:08:01 | kergoth | br33zy: yep |
| 05:08:10 | treke|home | or reiser or ext3 :) |
| 05:08:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:08:33 | br33zy | kergoth, in fdisk |
| 05:08:37 | kergoth | nobody pays much attention to partition type nowadays.. not in linux anyway, except for the swap partitions |
| 05:08:41 | br33zy | when it asks from what cylinder to something |
| 05:08:45 | br33zy | what do i put? |
| 05:08:48 | kergoth | just use the defaults |
| 05:08:50 | kergoth | hit enter |
| 05:08:56 | br33zy | but then |
| 05:09:02 | br33zy | its only 1264 blocks |
| 05:09:32 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:09:34 | treke|home | imagines he'll be hearing a lot about naqoy when it comes out |
| 05:09:38 | br33zy | it says |
| 05:09:42 | br33zy | in fdisk print |
| 05:09:46 | br33zy | that partition one |
| 05:09:51 | br33zy | only has 1264 blocks |
| 05:10:00 | jbardin | anyone have one of these http://www.fatfree3d.com/iwei/armatron.htm ? |
| 05:10:12 | jbardin | i bought one for like 10 bux at the flee market a while back |
| 05:10:19 | jbardin | they are freaking awesome |
| 05:10:28 | br33zy | nope |
| 05:10:33 | treke|home | ha cool |
| 05:10:36 | br33zy | kergoth.. is that fine? |
| 05:10:39 | br33zy | 1264 blocks |
| 05:10:45 | kergoth | i dunno |
| 05:10:51 | kergoth | how large is your card? |
| 05:10:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:11:06 | br33zy | 32 megs |
| 05:11:40 | br33zy | it doesnt let me do |
| 05:11:41 | br33zy | 32M |
| 05:12:27 | br33zy | what the |
| 05:12:36 | br33zy | i only have 1162kb max |
| 05:12:36 | darienm | jbardin: I have two of the armatrons ! |
| 05:12:37 | br33zy | on a 32 meg cf card |
| 05:14:21 | kergoth_ | night all |
| 05:14:56 | jbardin | dariemn damn you ;) |
| 05:16:54 | darienm | sorry, my sister and I each had one in the early 80's, now they belong to my boys. |
| 05:17:05 | br33zy | mkfs.vfat /dev/hda1 |
| 05:17:07 | br33zy | gives me |
| 05:17:27 | br33zy | mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system |
| 05:22:55 | br33zy | can somebody help me |
| 05:23:05 | br33zy | my zaurus cant recognize my 32 meg cf card |
| 05:23:13 | br33zy | if i go format it fat16 on my windows box |
| 05:23:15 | br33zy | and put it in |
| 05:23:20 | br33zy | it doesnt work |
| 05:23:22 | br33zy | i cant mount it |
| 05:25:22 | br33zy | anybody?!??!?! |
| 05:25:27 | br33zy | anybody?!??!?! |
| 05:25:30 | treke|home | nobody |
| 05:26:24 | jbardin | i thought it had to be plain ole fat32 |
| 05:27:50 | jbardin | the on/off button should work with the keyboard in closed mode right? |
| 05:49:04 | scanline | is back (gone 09:43:31) |
| 06:14:21 | DaWorm | Bones |
| 06:17:28 | Bones3D | hey worm |
| 06:17:38 | Bones3D | how ya doing? |
| 06:18:21 | DaWorm | not bad |
| 06:18:23 | DaWorm | :D |
| 06:18:31 | DaWorm | just busy at work though |
| 06:19:54 | Bones3D | *nods* |
| 06:23:32 | DaWorm | wonder if this nes emulator good |
| 06:32:04 | Saurian | How do you install a debian package? I forget the command line... }:| |
| 06:32:22 | Saurian | is trying to install the screenshot applet |
| 06:34:32 | Rince | dpkg -i <packagename> |
| 06:34:52 | Saurian | Thanks |
| 06:35:20 | Bones3D | actually, I think ipkg will extract .deb files too |
| 06:35:21 | Saurian | Erm, heh... |
| 06:35:46 | Saurian | Either the screenshot applet is for the oz rom, or the install is mangled. }:) |
| 06:35:51 | Saurian | Or I'm doing something wrong. }:) |
| 06:36:25 | DaWorm | mine worked in a sharp rom without any problems using the add/remove app |
| 06:37:10 | Saurian | Then it must be hosed. Add/remove doesn't see it, ipkg claims it isn't a package, and dkpg segfaults after complaining a lot about files already existing. }:) |
| 06:49:22 | Saurian | Do I need to shutdown or anything after ejecting a CF card on the Z? |
| 06:50:29 | Bones3D | prolly not after. I usually power it down before removing a CF card |
| 06:50:53 | Saurian | Hrm... |
| 06:51:50 | DaWorm | hehe this fce ultra works nice |
| 06:52:37 | Bones3D | does it run within qtopia? |
| 06:59:10 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 06:59:10 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:59:15 | DaWorm | you need libsdl and zlib though |
| 06:59:18 | DaWorm | but it runs great |
| 06:59:43 | DaWorm | it can be improved |
| 07:00:11 | DaWorm | tried all 3 super mario games |
| 07:00:12 | DaWorm | :D |
| 07:00:20 | Bones3D | :-) |
| 07:10:48 | DaWorm | heh even metal gear worked |
| 07:32:41 | jbardin | does anyone remember a movie with a 2 dudes, a hitchhiker and a business man.. and like one of them is a serial killer and ther is an orgy scene in a vw van? |
| 07:49:23 | Wembly | jbardin: i generally try not to watch those kinds of movies. |
| 07:49:37 | Wembly | im not into the whole van orgy thing ;) |
| 07:50:56 | jbardin | urg it was a pretty good movie |
| 07:51:21 | jbardin | like the all through the movie you thought the hitchiker was the seral killer they heard about on the radio |
| 07:51:27 | badl | Wembly: blue movies? |
| 07:51:27 | jbardin | but it turns out to be the businessman |
| 07:51:56 | badl | Wembly from fraggle rock! pah! |
| 07:52:36 | Saurian | Anyone use a wireless access point? }:) |
| 07:52:48 | Bones3D | yep |
| 07:53:09 | Saurian | I don't suppose you use *nix? }:) |
| 07:53:28 | badl | Saurian: what is *inx? |
| 07:53:36 | Saurian | Linux, UNIX, etc |
| 07:53:43 | badl | what are they? |
| 07:53:47 | Saurian | blinks. |
| 07:53:51 | Saurian | Operating systems. |
| 07:53:59 | badl | ohh you mean windows? |
| 07:54:09 | Saurian | GAH! No, not windows. }:) |
| 07:54:16 | badl | ohhh apple then? |
| 07:54:33 | badl | does apple make linux? |
| 07:54:37 | Bones3D | I know enough to work with files... thats about it. |
| 07:54:54 | Saurian | Gah...you've lead a microsoft-sheltered life. }:) No...linux is made by volunteers mostly. It's a clone of UNIX. And it runs on intels. |
| 07:54:58 | Saurian | Or almost anything else. |
| 07:55:19 | badl | Saurian: does microsoft run on the zaurus |
| 07:55:22 | jbardin | oh man |
| 07:55:25 | Saurian | Bones3D: Drat. Looking for suggestions for a good WAP that's linux compatible. Want one so I can access the net from work. }:) |
| 07:55:41 | badl | Saurian: dlink/linksys |
| 07:55:44 | Saurian | tries to decide if badl is trolling. }:) |
| 07:56:17 | badl | isn't trolling something to do with lord of rings or is it a slashdot article? |
| 07:56:47 | Saurian | Uhm, something like that... |
| 07:56:55 | badl | kewl |
| 07:57:02 | Bones3D | saurian, they all should be compatible unless you need to update the firmware on them and such. Most of them have a web-based config tool. |
| 07:57:02 | badl | :D |
| 07:57:23 | Saurian | Hmmm...true...all they are is gateway hardware... |
| 07:57:28 | Bones3D | right |
| 07:57:51 | Bones3D | they all speak the same language unless it's specific to the hardware itself |
| 07:58:10 | badl | english? |
| 07:58:13 | Saurian | Now if someone would just write a perl-Qt binding package, I'd be in heaven. }:) |
| 07:58:24 | badl | Saurian: already exists |
| 07:58:29 | Saurian | Perl, not python. |
| 07:58:33 | badl | yes |
| 07:58:37 | Saurian | Where? |
| 07:58:38 | badl | perlQT |
| 07:58:46 | badl | lets see on google |
| 07:59:35 | Saurian | That and if mmhart.com would go back up so I could grab the startscreen pic I wanted... }:) |
| 08:01:37 | badl | Saurian: check out cpan http://search.cpan.org/author/AWIN/Qt-0.03/Qt.pm |
| 08:03:14 | Saurian | Yes, I know...I'd rather see one ipk'd though. }:) I'm lazy. }:) |
| 08:03:19 | badl | ohhh |
| 08:03:34 | badl | perl is too bloated to run on the Z |
| 08:03:40 | badl | just learn C++ and be done with it :) |
| 08:04:10 | Saurian | But perl is nice for quick and dirty coding. }:) |
| 08:04:26 | badl | i know... but C++ is pure sex ;) |
| 08:05:11 | Saurian | Like I said, I'm lazy. }:) |
| 08:05:29 | badl | what are you thinking of writing? |
| 08:08:22 | scanline | eugh |
| 08:08:29 | scanline | if the zaurus can run Qt, of course it can run perl |
| 08:08:40 | scanline | the only reason it's not already used on the zaurus is it's a pain to crosscompile |
| 08:08:48 | Saurian | Nothing in particular...just nice to be able to do it with pretty graphics. }:) |
| 08:11:41 | Saurian | Maybe I'll rewrite Gimp in perl for the Z. };) |
| 08:11:57 | scanline | or just use TinyX and gtk, and run the gimp |
| 08:12:56 | Saurian | That'd be hideous on a Z. }:) |
| 08:13:09 | scanline | not as hideous as Qtopia :) |
| 08:13:30 | scanline | What makes you think Qt would run better than gtk on the Z? |
| 08:15:03 | Saurian | No, running the gimp on a little screen like that would be hideous. }:) |
| 08:15:44 | scanline | ah. if you made the palette long and thin, stuck to one side of the screen, with the image occupying the rest, it could work quite nicely |
| 08:17:32 | Saurian | I suppose, with floating toolwindows and such. Gimp is very nice. }:) |
| 08:26:06 | scanline | finally got his blur algorithm to run really fast |
| 08:26:07 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19091.png |
| 08:27:06 | badl | scanline: nice ;) |
| 08:27:13 | Saurian | Very nice. |
| 08:27:28 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20617.png |
| 08:27:32 | scanline | :) |
| 08:27:36 | scanline | it's really fast too |
| 08:27:51 | scanline | only 3x slower than a rectangle fill, and faster than an alpha blended rectangle |
| 08:27:53 | badl | scanline: christ i need to put on my glasses ;) |
| 08:28:05 | scanline | :) |
| 08:30:32 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25525.png <-- the new font engine helps a lot |
| 08:31:02 | badl | but but but... why do you want a blurry gui ;) |
| 08:31:20 | badl | are you not wearing your contact lenses? |
| 08:31:41 | scanline | just experimenting with blurring the area behind popup windows, so that it literally puts the focus on the topmost window |
| 08:31:49 | badl | ic |
| 08:33:05 | scanline | has an evil idea... |
| 08:33:16 | badl | too talk over the world? |
| 08:33:19 | badl | take |
| 08:33:44 | scanline | ooh.. this runs pretty slow over 802.11... but it's still cool |
| 08:34:09 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1331.png |
| 08:34:44 | scanline | tries decreasing the number of points it plots to increase speed |
| 08:35:34 | scanline | hmm... looks like network isn't the bottleneck. someday I'll go ARM optimize the video driver |
| 08:40:22 | zecke | hi |
| 08:44:03 | scanline | aha! new tpcal works |
| 08:44:16 | scanline | with dithered gradients :) |
| 08:44:21 | zecke | anyone awake here? |
| 08:45:01 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26306.png |
| 08:45:43 | hamsta | hi |
| 08:46:46 | zecke | hi how would you implement recurrance in todolist? |
| 08:47:04 | Saurian | You don't as far as I've been able to discover. |
| 08:48:10 | zecke | Saurian: how would you like it to be implemented? |
| 08:48:22 | zecke | Saurian: should the DueDate be updatet for every recurrance period |
| 08:48:29 | zecke | Saurian: should completed be ignored? |
| 08:48:39 | Saurian | Yes to both. |
| 08:48:51 | Saurian | Update DueDate to reflect the new time. |
| 08:48:52 | zecke | What happens if the recurrance period is over and the todolist item was not completed? |
| 08:48:59 | zecke | should it get 'forked' off? |
| 08:49:06 | Saurian | Double it. |
| 08:49:27 | Saurian | I.e., you now have 2 instances of the task. What you get for being a lazy slacker and not doing it on time. }:) |
| 08:51:48 | Saurian | would love to see a hierarchal todo. }:) |
| 08:52:02 | Saurian | Like IQNotes does (supposedly...haven't messed with it yet much). |
| 08:52:04 | zecke | Saurian: almost forgot that |
| 08:52:23 | zecke | but when using a QTable it's hard to do |
| 08:52:28 | zecke | you need a QListView for that |
| 08:52:37 | Saurian | SHow a percentage complete on a task, based on the percentage complete of child tasks. |
| 08:53:49 | zecke | ok |
| 08:53:56 | Bongo | hi |
| 08:54:15 | Saurian | *would* really like to see a decent todo application. The built in one sucks. }:) |
| 08:54:59 | zecke | sure it does |
| 08:55:21 | zecke | I'm currently reworking opie ones... |
| 08:55:23 | Bongo | is it possible to use lan thru the usb port |
| 08:55:27 | Bongo | i doubt it but |
| 08:55:28 | zecke | at first it's faster, scales better |
| 08:55:44 | zecke | and currently got more features... |
| 08:55:53 | scanline | Bongo: sure it is. I think that's on the faq |
| 08:56:00 | Bongo | one more thing |
| 08:56:10 | Bongo | what apps you reccommend :D |
| 08:56:16 | Bongo | get a zaurus today :p |
| 08:56:28 | scanline | arm-linux-gcc and emacs |
| 08:56:28 | Saurian | got one 2 days ago. }:) |
| 08:56:58 | Saurian | Nethack. }:) |
| 08:57:05 | Bongo | :p |
| 08:57:11 | hamsta | ipsec |
| 08:57:17 | Saurian | isn't kidding. Nethack rocks. }:) |
| 08:57:25 | Bongo | quake :D |
| 08:57:35 | Bongo | hows it run? |
| 08:57:41 | Bongo | on 64mb |
| 08:57:55 | Saurian | Probably very slowly. }:) |
| 08:58:05 | Bongo | ive installed DocReader |
| 08:58:15 | Bongo | but it wont recognise pdb files |
| 08:58:20 | hamsta | I haven't tested myself, but webpages say, it is still very buggy... |
| 08:58:43 | Bongo | still it beats any theory classes |
| 09:22:17 | Bongo | anyone know how to use docreader |
| 09:30:32 | kybu | Bobgo: iqnotes, justreader |
| 09:30:46 | kybu | s/Bobgo/Bongo/ :) |
| 09:32:52 | Bongo | i meant the program |
| 09:32:54 | Bongo | docreader |
| 09:33:00 | Bongo | but i worked it out :p |
| 09:34:05 | Bongo | howd i delete stuff lol |
| 09:40:03 | xml0 | know where I can get the latest rom image from? |
| 09:40:14 | Bongo | a zaurus! |
| 09:40:26 | xml0 | hmm |
| 09:40:38 | xml0 | I want to upgrade to whatever the latest is |
| 09:41:09 | xml0 | currently have 2.12 |
| 09:43:50 | Bongo | lis there anyway i can install ipks without havin to copy em to me zaurus? |
| 09:43:52 | xml0 | I can see 2.38 via the google cache of myzaurus. but it's down |
| 09:44:27 | HMS | hiyas |
| 09:44:34 | Bongo | hey hms u know alot? |
| 09:44:35 | xml0 | hi |
| 09:44:46 | HMS | as much as I need to, I suppose. |
| 09:44:50 | Bongo | lis there anyway i can install ipks without havin to copy em to me zaurus? |
| 09:44:51 | HMS | :o) |
| 09:44:53 | Bongo | is |
| 09:44:55 | HMS | hiyas xml0 |
| 09:44:58 | Bongo | dunno where the l came from |
| 09:45:13 | HMS | Bongo: Just put them on a CF or SD card... |
| 09:45:14 | xml0 | typing on the zaurus keyboard maybe :) |
| 09:45:20 | Bongo | i mean |
| 09:45:22 | Bongo | from me pc |
| 09:45:25 | HMS | or even isntall them via cradle dock. |
| 09:45:33 | Bongo | u could do it with the psion |
| 09:45:37 | Bongo | execute it on yer pc |
| 09:45:41 | Bongo | and install it from there |
| 09:45:43 | xml0 | the add/remove packages says you can use the network, but I don't know what needs to be on the other end |
| 09:45:54 | HMS | you can install via cradle and not put any packed files or binaries on your Z. |
| 09:46:02 | Bongo | :-o |
| 09:46:24 | Bongo | boots up wine |
| 09:46:26 | Bongo | lol |
| 09:46:34 | xml0 | I just scp the stuff over and then ipkg install it |
| 09:46:43 | HMS | Bongo: read up on the text installs of ipkg... and install them via console. |
| 09:46:57 | Bongo | i only got it today |
| 09:47:00 | xml0 | hms: do you know where I can get the latest rom upgrade from? |
| 09:47:08 | Bongo | i no what the console is on a linux system |
| 09:47:18 | Bongo | dunno how to get to it on the zaurus |
| 09:47:22 | Bongo | hint hint :p |
| 09:47:31 | HMS | nods |
| 09:47:34 | xml0 | have you got usb networking working? |
| 09:47:41 | Bongo | dunno |
| 09:47:43 | HMS | me? |
| 09:47:55 | xml0 | no, bongo |
| 09:48:00 | HMS | ahhhh. |
| 09:48:07 | xml0 | btw, got my zaurus yesterday :) |
| 09:48:13 | HMS | rom upgrade from Sharp? Or OZ? |
| 09:48:24 | xml0 | sharp |
| 09:48:35 | Bongo | really annoying u cant use the keyboard while its docked |
| 09:48:50 | HMS | nods |
| 09:48:50 | xml0 | bongo: how much did you pay for it? |
| 09:48:56 | Bongo | £399 |
| 09:48:57 | HMS | xml0 you want? |
| 09:49:01 | Bongo | i didnt |
| 09:49:04 | xml0 | hms: yes please |
| 09:49:08 | Bongo | got it for me 18th :D |
| 09:49:13 | HMS | what you have on your Z right now? |
| 09:49:18 | Saurian | Bongo: Load a console application. |
| 09:49:18 | xml0 | 2.12 |
| 09:49:27 | HMS | snickers... okay |
| 09:49:41 | HMS | hold on, I'm on my laptop, gotta see if the wife put it on here. |
| 09:49:41 | xml0 | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/zaurus/servermanager.shtml |
| 09:49:44 | xml0 | that'll give you ssh |
| 09:50:04 | HMS | xml0: how big a file can you get via email? |
| 09:50:06 | Saurian | Anyway, night all. |
| 09:50:07 | xml0 | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 09:50:15 | xml0 | and that will get your usb networking working |
| 09:50:38 | Bongo | howd i delete a file |
| 09:50:45 | Bongo | wanna remove me ipks now ive installed em |
| 09:50:45 | HMS | click and hold on it. |
| 09:50:52 | xml0 | hms: hmm, not that big I don't think. unless I open up smtp on my server |
| 09:51:17 | xml0 | hms: dcc? |
| 09:51:35 | HMS | xml0: np... let me get my files from the desktop and they'll be your way.... in case i get booted.. gimme an email, so we can dcc at a time. |
| 09:52:08 | xml0 | paul@argo.dyndns.org |
| 09:52:16 | xml0 | that's my home machine, I'll unblock smtp |
| 09:52:32 | HMS | aite.... you can get me at: nhawkins@poormail.com, or admin@fallbehind.freehosting.net |
| 09:52:59 | Bongo | wheres the sharp file browser? |
| 09:53:00 | xml0 | ok, it's open now, can get unlimited email on that |
| 09:53:03 | HMS | xml0: okay... unblock... it might be big... otherwise, we can just set up a time to meet online and I'll DCC it. |
| 09:53:15 | xml0 | hms: thanks |
| 09:53:33 | HMS | xml0: don't mention it... |
| 09:53:34 | HMS | :) |
| 09:53:37 | xml0 | bongo: what rom version do you have? |
| 09:53:52 | HMS | xml0: so, you work for arco coffee? *snicker* |
| 09:54:04 | Bongo | hang on :p |
| 09:54:04 | xml0 | argo with a g :) |
| 09:54:35 | Bongo | kernal or version? |
| 09:54:55 | xml0 | version |
| 09:55:01 | HMS | is running partial 2.9.7 OZ with partial PicoGUI OS. |
| 09:55:01 | HMS | ;) |
| 09:55:03 | HMS | not smooth however. |
| 09:55:06 | Bongo | embedix plus pda? |
| 09:55:10 | HMS | no qtopia |
| 09:55:16 | Bongo | 1.5.0 |
| 09:55:19 | scanline | HMS: you're using picogui? |
| 09:55:26 | HMS | nods. |
| 09:55:33 | scanline | hmm |
| 09:55:46 | scanline | I didn't think anyone actually used it :) |
| 09:55:56 | kolla | scanline: scary huh? :) |
| 09:55:58 | HMS | hahahaha... that's what I thought |
| 09:56:01 | scanline | indeed |
| 09:56:04 | HMS | lol |
| 09:56:14 | kolla | scanline: next you'll have to set up support lines :) |
| 09:56:20 | scanline | runs away screaming |
| 09:56:26 | kolla | hehehe :) |
| 09:56:32 | HMS | laughs towards kolla... definately. |
| 09:56:45 | Bongo | my version |
| 09:56:49 | Bongo | is 2.35 |
| 09:57:08 | HMS | Bongo: Z... or OZ? which would be hard to be OZ. |
| 09:57:14 | scanline | HMS: does the launcher work in the version you're using? |
| 09:57:23 | HMS | scanline... no. |
| 09:57:26 | scanline | ok |
| 09:57:31 | HMS | which is why it's 1/2 and 1/2 |
| 09:57:36 | HMS | no booting... all together |
| 09:57:50 | HMS | I've racked my brain on this shit.... but, it was a fun drunk time. |
| 09:58:07 | HMS | wife hated me for it,. |
| 09:58:17 | scanline | the launcher being broke is a known bug |
| 09:58:29 | HMS | nods. |
| 09:58:36 | scanline | the whole pgl/res_c stuff is in limbo right now |
| 09:58:44 | HMS | I can't figure out what the beef is either with the launcher. |
| 09:58:52 | HMS | ahhhh |
| 09:58:56 | scanline | the app.conf files are in the old format, and the launcher is using a new format |
| 09:59:08 | HMS | yeah.... |
| 09:59:14 | HMS | that's what I heard, after the fact. |
| 09:59:15 | HMS | haha |
| 09:59:15 | xml0 | hms: is the latest 2.38 btw? |
| 09:59:35 | HMS | xml0: nope |
| 09:59:43 | xml0 | what is it? |
| 09:59:53 | HMS | 2.5 |
| 09:59:56 | HMS | ;) |
| 10:00:01 | xml0 | impressive :) |
| 10:00:06 | scanline | needs coffee.... |
| 10:00:07 | HMS | No... boring |
| 10:00:12 | xml0 | heh |
| 10:00:16 | HMS | sharp barely keeps me up to date |
| 10:00:29 | HMS | I've been submitting shit for about 4 months... |
| 10:00:41 | HMS | no thanks yet... but, I've gotten all the pre-update |
| 10:00:43 | HMS | s |
| 10:00:46 | HMS | add an s to that |
| 10:00:49 | HMS | ;) |
| 10:02:03 | HMS | brb... wife is cryin' for more medicine. |
| 10:02:29 | Bongo | howd i run the command line |
| 10:02:42 | HMS_wife_medicin | command line? |
| 10:03:17 | Bongo | omg |
| 10:03:19 | xml0 | if you don't have a terminal app: go to shutdown->exit qtopia |
| 10:03:27 | xml0 | then type / and a |
| 10:03:31 | Bongo | :) |
| 10:04:10 | Bongo | grrr |
| 10:04:18 | Bongo | it just restarted qtopia |
| 10:04:44 | xml0 | you have to press / while it's doint 5..4..3..2..1 |
| 10:04:56 | Bongo | ah |
| 10:09:14 | Bongo | hmm quake didnt like that |
| 10:09:27 | Bongo | where can i get bash from :) |
| 10:11:59 | Bongo | oommmgg |
| 10:12:09 | xml0 | ? |
| 10:12:18 | Bongo | i found the zaurus terminal |
| 10:12:26 | xml0 | where is it? |
| 10:12:28 | Bongo | and then in says page not bloody found!!! |
| 10:12:29 | Bongo | GRR |
| 10:12:54 | xml0 | I'm assuming 2.12 doesn't have it, since I couldn't find it anywhere |
| 10:13:15 | xml0 | anyway, it's easier sshing in from my laptop and using a proper keyboard |
| 10:13:28 | Bongo | i mean to download |
| 10:13:36 | Bongo | it from zauruszone.com |
| 10:14:28 | xml0 | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/downloads/qpe-terminal_1.5.0-2_arm.ipk |
| 10:14:30 | xml0 | that one? |
| 10:14:43 | Bongo | www.zauruszone.com |
| 10:14:48 | Bongo | then downloads |
| 10:14:56 | Bongo | then i typed terminal in the search |
| 10:15:04 | Bongo | click on zaurus console |
| 10:15:10 | Bongo | and it said page not found |
| 10:15:13 | xml0 | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/downloads.shtml |
| 10:15:13 | Bongo | argh damn dead links |
| 10:15:19 | xml0 | use that link |
| 10:15:26 | Bongo | got another one |
| 10:15:38 | xml0 | I just downloaded the terminal from that page |
| 10:15:49 | Bongo | what k mp3s u reccommend |
| 10:15:58 | xml0 | what what? |
| 10:16:04 | Bongo | kilobyte |
| 10:16:06 | Bongo | bitrate |
| 10:16:08 | Bongo | :s |
| 10:16:12 | xml0 | no idea |
| 10:16:23 | Bongo | u do no what mp3s are dont you? |
| 10:16:26 | xml0 | yes |
| 10:16:30 | xml0 | hah |
| 10:16:35 | Bongo | i mean for zaurus |
| 10:16:42 | Bongo | i liek 320k |
| 10:16:56 | Bongo | but thatd take up too much space and power :( |
| 10:17:03 | xml0 | seems a bit over the top for the zaurus... |
| 10:17:19 | xml0 | it's hardly got a valve amp in it... |
| 10:17:24 | scanline | use ogg instead, much better quality for any given bit rate |
| 10:18:10 | Bongo | yeas |
| 10:18:21 | Bongo | u have to have the orgional track |
| 10:18:24 | Bongo | and i dont |
| 10:18:26 | Bongo | :| |
| 10:18:43 | scanline | if you are converting 320kbps mp3s to relatively low quality oggs, it shouldn't matter much |
| 10:18:53 | Bongo | :o |
| 10:19:04 | Bongo | stop typing!! |
| 10:19:09 | scanline | ? |
| 10:19:17 | Bongo | uve made the console url scroll off screen now :| |
| 10:19:26 | Bongo | tis an old monitor this one |
| 10:19:31 | Bongo | 640x480 :s |
| 10:19:38 | scanline | your IRC client doesn't have scrollback? |
| 10:19:42 | scanline | you can hardly blame me for that... |
| 10:20:05 | Bongo | i mean |
| 10:20:10 | Bongo | i have 2 computers |
| 10:20:19 | Bongo | so i have to type the url in my other one |
| 10:20:20 | xml0 | 3 now... |
| 10:20:22 | Bongo | :p |
| 10:20:23 | scanline | really doesn't care... heh |
| 10:21:14 | Bongo | is there anyway i can change my intellisync folder |
| 10:21:28 | xml0 | what's an intellisync folder? |
| 10:21:33 | Bongo | windows |
| 10:21:43 | xml0 | oh :( |
| 10:21:48 | Bongo | where u put yer files to transfer em to yer zaurus |
| 10:21:52 | scanline | heh... |
| 10:22:06 | Bongo | i download all my downloads to the Downloads folder (shock horror!!) |
| 10:22:14 | scanline | uses coffee to counteract the windows cruft overflow |
| 10:22:24 | Bongo | and im getting tired of copying em to Intellisync Accessfolder |
| 10:23:00 | scanline | http://picogui.org/scap/port.6569.png |
| 10:23:34 | Bongo | ... |
| 10:23:40 | Bongo | ive done that loadsa times |
| 10:23:46 | Bongo | cuz ntfs is only read only |
| 10:23:54 | Bongo | so root can only access a ntfs partition |
| 10:24:24 | scanline | that's from x-chat running on the zaurus :) |
| 10:24:45 | Bongo | dont have a network n zaurus |
| 10:24:53 | Bongo | and i cba to patch the kernal |
| 10:25:02 | Bongo | just to use ethernet over usb |
| 10:25:31 | scanline | In linux it's "kernel", I don't think "kernal" is used anywhere except in C64 terminology |
| 10:25:44 | Bongo | u no what i mean |
| 10:25:48 | Bongo | now be quiet! |
| 10:25:51 | scanline | but you shouldn't need to patch anything to get ethernet over usb... |
| 10:25:56 | Bongo | u do |
| 10:25:59 | Bongo | says on how to page |
| 10:26:07 | Bongo | need kernal version 2.1.7 |
| 10:26:10 | Bongo | need kernal version 2.1.17 |
| 10:26:16 | Bongo | and i have 2.1.6 |
| 10:26:24 | scanline | on your desktop? |
| 10:26:29 | Bongo | zaurus |
| 10:26:40 | scanline | you could just upgrade your zaurus ROM |
| 10:26:48 | Bongo | ssshh |
| 10:26:49 | Bongo | :p |
| 10:27:03 | scanline | maybe try OpenZaurus... |
| 10:27:12 | scanline | it's really a lot better than the Sharp ROM |
| 10:27:23 | Bongo | let me try quake first |
| 10:27:30 | Bongo | thats my current projecrt |
| 10:27:33 | Bongo | :S |
| 10:27:33 | scanline | in qtopia? |
| 10:27:37 | Bongo | yes |
| 10:27:39 | xml0 | I'd like to update my zaurus rom, but I can't find it |
| 10:27:49 | scanline | that will probably be pretty slow |
| 10:28:12 | Bongo | its way over minimum requirements |
| 10:28:15 | Bongo | 206mhz |
| 10:28:28 | Bongo | quake needs a 486 :p |
| 10:28:40 | scanline | Well, the ARM is very slow at floating point math. There are big differences between a 486 and an ARM |
| 10:28:52 | scanline | also, Qtopia is very slow at video |
| 10:29:09 | scanline | not that I've tried it, but I'd be very surprised if it ran at all fast |
| 10:29:11 | Bongo | well i tryed running it in the command line |
| 10:29:14 | Bongo | and it just moaned |
| 10:33:50 | Bongo | lol |
| 10:36:18 | xml0 | hms: you back yet? |
| 10:36:54 | xml0 | guess not.. |
| 10:37:03 | Bongo | lol that worked |
| 10:37:17 | Bongo | there must be some way i can make it faster |
| 10:37:20 | Bongo | thins |
| 10:37:27 | Bongo | thinks |
| 10:37:45 | badl | doom barely runs at full speed let alone quake |
| 10:37:46 | xml0 | scanline: don't suppose you have the 2.5 sharp rom handy? |
| 10:37:50 | xml0 | or anyone? |
| 10:37:57 | badl | v 2.5? |
| 10:38:06 | scanline | no |
| 10:38:10 | xml0 | hms said it was the latest |
| 10:38:15 | Bongo | where can i get doom? |
| 10:38:19 | badl | news to me |
| 10:38:33 | | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 10:38:33 | badl | ibot search zsi doom |
| 10:38:41 | | prboom 2.2.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=333 |
| 10:38:41 | badl | ibot search zsi for doom |
| 10:38:49 | badl | Bongo: get it there |
| 10:38:59 | | xml0: what? |
| 10:38:59 | xml0 | ibot search rom |
| 10:39:27 | xml0 | badl: what is the latest rom then? |
| 10:39:44 | badl | as far as i know 2.38 |
| 10:39:57 | xml0 | ok, do you know where I can get that? |
| 10:40:22 | badl | myzaurus.com -- although this website has been down all weekend |
| 10:40:38 | xml0 | yes, I noticed :( |
| 10:40:50 | badl | still down |
| 10:40:55 | xml0 | surely it must be somewhere else too? |
| 10:41:12 | badl | probably |
| 10:41:23 | | Addressbook_parser >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=368 |
| 10:41:24 | | Apachectl 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=341 |
| 10:41:25 | | armutils >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=540 |
| 10:41:26 | | 3 of 132 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=rom |
| 10:41:26 | badl | ibot search zsi for rom |
| 10:41:34 | badl | not there |
| 10:41:41 | badl | try a google search |
| 10:42:14 | xml0 | I've been trying for a couple of hours. no luck |
| 10:45:30 | kollaZ | oz prerelease and ssh is a problem? |
| 10:45:53 | Bongo | grr |
| 10:46:12 | badl | hello Bongo |
| 10:46:32 | Bongo | hi |
| 10:46:41 | Bongo | good i have doom2 lying about |
| 10:47:01 | Bongo | hmmm 14 meg wad |
| 10:47:11 | badl | but need CF or SD to store it ;) |
| 10:47:19 | Bongo | eh why |
| 10:47:59 | badl | its too big otherwiser to fit into ram |
| 10:48:07 | Bongo | ermm |
| 10:48:13 | Bongo | i have 32 meg free :p |
| 10:48:18 | Bongo | thats with quake installed |
| 10:48:24 | badl | ic |
| 10:49:06 | badl | i have to much shit installed on my Z ;) |
| 10:49:17 | Bongo | does quake run smoothly on any palmtop? |
| 10:49:26 | badl | doubt it |
| 10:49:32 | Bongo | or did they just port it for fun |
| 10:49:34 | badl | dragonball 66mhz |
| 10:49:40 | badl | not as fast as arm 206 |
| 10:49:47 | Bongo | i mean |
| 10:49:52 | Bongo | any avaliable one |
| 10:49:59 | Bongo | not just any palmtop |
| 10:50:00 | badl | don't know |
| 10:50:13 | Bongo | is there a 400 mhz ppc? |
| 10:50:44 | badl | 400mhz ARm -- yes |
| 10:51:01 | Bongo | ud that run quake? |
| 10:51:33 | badl | well there has been alot of discussion about lack of increased performance from 206->400 in pocket pc pdas |
| 10:51:48 | Bongo | blame it on windows :D |
| 10:51:51 | badl | heh |
| 10:52:08 | kollaZ | strongarm vs. xscale? |
| 10:52:13 | badl | yes |
| 10:52:19 | scanline | it's mainly due to a buggy cache in the 400mhz xscale |
| 10:52:32 | Bongo | thinks of replacing his 206 with a 1.6g athlon xp |
| 10:52:38 | badl | scanline: well you better get the fly swat out then ;) |
| 10:52:41 | Bongo | i need to live in a freezer tho |
| 10:52:46 | kollaZ | its native intel.. bugs are mandatory |
| 10:52:51 | scanline | has enough bugs of his own |
| 10:52:52 | kollaZ | :) |
| 10:52:54 | Bongo | amd forever! |
| 10:53:06 | badl | amd/via crap is more buggy than intel |
| 10:53:17 | Bongo | not their processors |
| 10:53:42 | Bongo | intel are for buisnesses amd are for techie people :) |
| 10:53:48 | badl | Bongo: but what good is that when you have a shit chipset |
| 10:54:09 | Bongo | a 1.6 gig athlon xp would outperform a 2 gig intel |
| 10:54:15 | Bongo | speaks for itself eh |
| 10:54:19 | badl | no |
| 10:54:26 | Bongo | ! |
| 10:54:36 | badl | the megahertz myth |
| 10:54:50 | Bongo | a 1.6 being a xp2000+ |
| 10:55:33 | Bongo | im gonna take a pic of mine with my new cam |
| 10:55:34 | Bongo | :p |
| 10:55:39 | badl | heh |
| 10:56:29 | | rumour has it oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021019_1336/ |
| 10:56:29 | kollaZ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 10:57:04 | kollaZ | anyone know wether that prerelease fixes ssh? |
| 10:58:19 | Bongo | Screen images simulated. |
| 11:02:31 | Piete | Eeeaaaghhh, my Zaurus is STILL not here :// |
| 11:02:41 | Bongo | !! |
| 11:02:55 | Piete | its like 2 weeks now :( |
| 11:02:55 | badl | Piete: you have been on about that for weeks |
| 11:03:02 | Piete | badl: yea |
| 11:03:06 | Bongo | id lend u mine |
| 11:03:09 | Bongo | but heh its mine : |
| 11:03:10 | Bongo | :p |
| 11:03:12 | Piete | Bongo: thanks :) |
| 11:03:15 | Piete | :/ |
| 11:03:17 | Piete | oh |
| 11:03:17 | Bongo | :D |
| 11:03:21 | badl | Piete: is the qv-frame buffer too much? |
| 11:03:36 | Piete | badl: huh? |
| 11:04:24 | badl | Piete: play with qvfb on your workstation |
| 11:04:30 | Piete | ahh |
| 11:04:37 | Piete | its just not the same :/ |
| 11:05:08 | xml0 | anyone speak german? |
| 11:05:16 | Bongo | guten tag |
| 11:05:17 | Bongo | hm |
| 11:05:20 | badl | hallo |
| 11:05:23 | Bongo | vie gehts |
| 11:05:26 | Bongo | thats about it lol |
| 11:05:27 | xml0 | http://www.zaurus.de/SharpServiceArea/Software/Updates/SW_20020829150234/www_index?m= |
| 11:05:34 | Bongo | LOL |
| 11:05:42 | Bongo | http://translation.lycos.com |
| 11:05:49 | Bongo | that does wonders |
| 11:05:49 | xml0 | seems to be a 2.38 upgrade on there, but I can't download it |
| 11:07:16 | | picogui is an small and scalable embedded GUI. More info in the #picogui channel or at http://picogui.org. Read the FAQ or not pico gui or pico-gui or even cooler than sliced cheese or see "picogui faq" |
| 11:07:16 | badl | ibot picogui |
| 11:07:44 | xml0 | I think it's a cd order, not a download :( |
| 11:08:45 | badl | xml0: its is both on myzaurus.com |
| 11:09:38 | xml0 | yes, but it's down :( |
| 11:10:30 | kollaZ | ping ? |
| 11:10:40 | kollaZ | ok |
| 11:10:47 | kollaZ | z went to sleep |
| 11:10:48 | xml0 | well, it's up. but the web server is down |
| 11:11:14 | xml0 | surely some kind folk can put a copy of 2.38 on a web server for me? |
| 11:11:57 | xml0 | my wcf11 doesn't work with 2.12. I'm hoping that it might with 2.38 |
| 12:04:48 | mark | myzaurus _still_ down. grr |
| 12:19:13 | ljp | try handango.com |
| 12:20:34 | ljp | hey there's a vorbis plugin for standard mediaplayer |
| 12:23:50 | kolla | mark: myzaurus is up :) |
| 12:24:03 | kolla | oops... my zaurus is up ;) |
| 12:27:28 | mark | ljp: i know, i'm just missing out on sales :) |
| 12:27:56 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 12:29:23 | Bongo | u no the rom updare |
| 12:29:25 | Bongo | date :s |
| 12:29:33 | Bongo | it says for US only |
| 12:29:46 | Bongo | is it fine for uk machines? |
| 12:30:15 | mark | Bongo: you probably wont have the pound sign working (if it does anyway) |
| 12:30:40 | Bongo | dont have one on the keyboard |
| 12:30:56 | Bongo | surely itll pay attention to me location |
| 12:30:59 | Bongo | being london |
| 12:31:07 | Bongo | cuz they dont have Coventry |
| 12:32:02 | mark | Bongo: yeh time stuff will be fine. I've got a US model, I thought the UK one may have a pound sign on it |
| 12:34:24 | Bongo | got it from dabs.com |
| 12:35:02 | mark | Bongo: they're good |
| 12:36:21 | Bongo | wanna get usb networkin workin :) |
| 12:37:50 | Bongo | didnt get the free accesory pack tho :| |
| 12:38:31 | akawaka | no euro:/ |
| 12:39:04 | Bongo | hmm |
| 12:39:15 | Bongo | the keyboard has the £ sign on it |
| 12:39:19 | Bongo | but the on screen one doesnt |
| 12:44:49 | mark | Bongo: odd |
| 12:48:23 | Bongo | u from the uk mark? |
| 12:51:56 | Bongo | doesnt seem to want to be updated :( |
| 12:54:46 | mark | Bongo: yah |
| 12:54:56 | Bongo | stops responding |
| 12:54:58 | Bongo | :s |
| 12:57:30 | Bongo | slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large 10lb brown trout |
| 13:09:11 | Bongo | fs |
| 13:10:17 | johnix | Hi |
| 13:10:38 | Bongo | opie player wont install |
| 13:11:27 | johnix | is there any way to get/manufacture a serial cable for the Z? |
| 13:22:03 | johnix | I live in France... |
| 13:22:31 | Bongo | hmmm |
| 13:23:29 | johnix | Bongo: yes? |
| 13:23:39 | Bongo | im hmming at myself |
| 13:23:40 | Bongo | srry |
| 13:23:53 | Bongo | cant u use usb? |
| 13:24:27 | johnix | actually I want to plug an external kbd on my Z |
| 13:24:33 | Bongo | ah |
| 13:24:43 | Bongo | i only got mine todau |
| 13:24:44 | Bongo | today |
| 13:24:45 | johnix | The Z can't act as USB master, so, no, I can't |
| 13:24:51 | johnix | Z? |
| 13:24:51 | Bongo | so i dont know much :s |
| 13:24:55 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 13:24:56 | Bongo | yea |
| 13:25:00 | Bongo | jason |
| 13:25:01 | johnix | cool |
| 13:25:08 | Bongo | u no anything about ogg |
| 13:25:14 | johnix | having fun? |
| 13:25:21 | Bongo | sometimes |
| 13:25:34 | Bongo | i installed the ogg codec for media player |
| 13:25:38 | Bongo | and when i click play |
| 13:25:45 | Bongo | it just says please wait.. |
| 13:25:48 | Bongo | and ive waitewd |
| 13:25:51 | Bongo | and waited |
| 13:26:09 | johnix | ... and she never came :((( |
| 13:26:14 | johnix | Oops, sorry |
| 13:26:26 | Bongo | :-o |
| 13:26:35 | Bongo | hmm |
| 13:26:44 | Bongo | think ill stick with mp3s |
| 13:29:41 | mark | morning JasonNJ |
| 13:29:56 | Bongo | lol |
| 13:30:01 | Bongo | 128k ogg is 2mg |
| 13:30:08 | Bongo | 128k mp3 is 1.8mg |
| 13:30:59 | ljp | heh |
| 13:31:07 | ljp | ogg is alot of hype |
| 13:31:32 | Bongo | yea and someone in here said that the size to bitrate for ogg is better |
| 13:31:36 | Bongo | i think not |
| 13:32:40 | Bongo | hmm |
| 13:32:52 | Bongo | can i adjust me bass and treble anywhere? |
| 13:33:05 | mark | Bongo: a 128k ogg sounds better than a 128k mp3 |
| 13:33:16 | Bongo | that depends on the music |
| 13:33:22 | Bongo | if theres alot going on in a mp3 |
| 13:33:28 | Bongo | u can hear the quality |
| 13:33:33 | Bongo | but if theres less noise |
| 13:33:38 | Bongo | u cant notice much |
| 13:33:54 | Bongo | thanks media player |
| 13:33:59 | Bongo | just closed :s |
| 13:34:19 | Bongo | lame |
| 13:34:41 | Bongo | whats the best program for converting 320k to 128k |
| 13:34:50 | Bongo | cheep program i got only does half |
| 13:36:38 | ljp | I've been a musician/recording engineer a long time, and to me, there's no difference between ogg and mp3 quality.. they both sound like crap |
| 13:37:57 | Bongo | i really wish cnet would f**k off |
| 13:38:33 | mark | ljp: its personal taste really |
| 13:38:44 | Bongo | anyone no a good usb hub |
| 13:38:54 | Bongo | i only have 2 port and 4 devices :( |
| 13:39:41 | ljp | mark: true, very true ;) |
| 13:39:57 | Bongo | i wish speakers could deliever as good sound as earphones can |
| 13:40:08 | Bongo | they tend to irritate me after a while |
| 13:40:16 | Bongo | makes me ears feel all wierd |
| 13:40:21 | mark | likes his KEF speakers |
| 13:40:23 | ljp | your just using the wrong speakers ;) |
| 13:40:30 | Bongo | <--- yamaha tss1 |
| 13:40:43 | ljp | dont they make motorcycles? |
| 13:40:44 | Bongo | dolby proglogic |
| 13:40:50 | Bongo | dolby digital |
| 13:40:54 | Bongo | dolby dts |
| 13:41:03 | Bongo | but hey all music files are analogue |
| 13:41:05 | Bongo | eurgh |
| 13:41:33 | ljp | analog? |
| 13:42:03 | Bongo | as in |
| 13:42:08 | Bongo | 2 channels |
| 13:42:10 | Bongo | not 5.1 |
| 13:42:55 | ljp | hmm |
| 13:43:13 | mark | yeh, i dont see the point in 5.1 until DVD audio with a decent number of channels |
| 13:44:10 | Bongo | u heard 5.1 |
| 13:44:13 | Bongo | sounds great |
| 13:44:20 | Bongo | better than mirroring the front to the back |
| 13:44:25 | Bongo | im tellin u |
| 13:44:35 | mark | on movies with surrond sound recorded, yeah |
| 13:44:57 | mark | haven't heard it on 2 channel audio, i'm just presuming its not that great :) |
| 13:45:04 | | i guess konqueror is at http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/files/konq-e/ or at http://www.konqueror.org |
| 13:45:04 | smad|w | ibot konqueror |
| 13:45:08 | ljp | the chip on the zaurus can do 96k sound |
| 13:45:16 | Bongo | ok |
| 13:45:31 | Bongo | and the Z can power 5.1 speakers? |
| 13:45:34 | Bongo | i think not |
| 13:45:37 | mark | ljp: yet it is reduced to beeping? |
| 13:45:39 | ljp | but the processor and the drive wont let you |
| 13:45:49 | ljp | not that chip |
| 13:45:53 | ljp | th eaudio out |
| 13:46:13 | ljp | the chip has 96k capabilities |
| 13:58:32 | Bongo | argh |
| 13:58:36 | Bongo | i dunno what to do |
| 14:01:37 | Bongo | howd i set up tcp over usb? |
| 14:07:13 | Bongo | whats a Zaurus mi e1 |
| 14:25:24 | gurok | Hi, does anyone know where I can get a copy of syslinux for my zaurus ? |
| 14:25:38 | prpplague | gurok: syslinux? |
| 14:25:59 | | prpplague: what? |
| 14:25:59 | prpplague | ibot: syslinux |
| 14:26:03 | gurok | yeah - I wanna make a cf disk bootable for my buddies new gadget |
| 14:26:24 | gurok | ..he tells me there's a tool called syslinux for linux that does what he needs ! |
| 14:26:41 | prpplague | gurok: never heard of syslinux |
| 14:27:07 | prpplague | gurok: you can different rom version for the z loaded via cf card |
| 14:27:54 | gurok | This is for a soekris box ( a pc in a shoebox) ! |
| 14:28:19 | prpplague | gurok: hmm, are you wanting load you pc with linux? |
| 14:29:24 | gurok | yeah - basically this guys box has a 128Mb cf disk, 64MB of memory and 3 network ports |
| 14:30:16 | prpplague | gurok: ahh, you want a mini dist, let me see if i got a url |
| 14:31:35 | prpplague | gurok: http://www.linux-center.org/fr/distributions/mini-distributions/ |
| 14:32:06 | prpplague | gurok: this probably isn't the channel you need to be on unless you are working on a zaurus |
| 14:32:44 | gurok | it its the channel I need - If you look at my first question ! I asked simply if a port of syslinux was available for the zaurus |
| 14:33:00 | gurok | . its the zaurus that I am working off of! |
| 14:33:27 | prpplague | gurok: ok......, you said you wanted to reload your pc with linux |
| 14:34:42 | prpplague | gurok: is this what you are talking about - http://syslinux.zytor.com/index.php |
| 14:35:11 | gurok | yes... |
| 14:35:50 | Bongo | anyone got ethernet over usb workin |
| 14:35:51 | Bongo | ? |
| 14:35:54 | prpplague | gurok: then the answer is no, that type of bootloader is for x86 technology, there are specific bootloaders for the arm processor that way smaller than anything available on x86 |
| 14:36:25 | prpplague | gurok: the z has its on bootloader that you have to work with |
| 14:36:27 | gurok | The tool syslinux... I want a port of the tool ! |
| 14:36:37 | prpplague | gurok: why? |
| 14:37:04 | gurok | So I can write a bootblock onto a CFDISK that is going to be inserteed into this slim pc thing. |
| 14:37:07 | gurok | sighs |
| 14:37:30 | Twiun | gurok: the Z doesn't boot from the CF card - only from a bootloader in ROM |
| 14:37:38 | prpplague | gurok: hmm, your not making too much sense dude |
| 14:40:11 | gurok | Hey Twiun - yeah I know. My buddy has got his hands on a sub pc in a box type thing. Its basically an Athlon with 64Mb of memory and a cf disk slot. I need the tool to enable his cf disk to boot. Given my Z is the only thing here with a decent operating.. |
| 14:40:11 | gurok | ..system and cf disk support, this Is I need the tool |
| 14:40:11 | gurok | .. in effect I am using the Z to build a cf disk for another system. |
| 14:40:11 | prpplague | gurok: ohh, i see what you are wanting to do now, your gonna have trouble doing that |
| 14:40:11 | prpplague | gurok: the z is arm based and you'd need a arm2x86 cross compiller |
| 14:40:21 | gurok | yes.. I have one |
| 14:40:34 | prpplague | gurok: arm2x86? |
| 14:40:49 | prpplague | gurok: you sure its not a x862arm |
| 14:40:54 | gurok | .. err sorrr armgcc distrib - |
| 14:41:13 | gurok | ^sorrr^sorry |
| 14:41:25 | prpplague | gurok: that will only compile for the arm processor |
| 14:41:32 | prpplague | gurok: not for x86 |
| 14:41:41 | gurok | I only need syslinux for arm |
| 14:42:07 | prpplague | ok, someone else can exlain it to him, i gotta catch a plane |
| 14:42:22 | DaJoker | gurok: no, you don't want syslinux for arm |
| 14:42:35 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 14:42:47 | prpplague | later guys |
| 14:42:49 | DaJoker | you want syslinux for x86, which is freely available, because your friends system is an Athlon, or an x86 system |
| 14:43:51 | gurok | DaJoker - I basically want to make a CFdisk bootable. I want to do this from my Z - how do I do this. |
| 14:44:35 | mrwoody | DaJoker: i have copied zimage32-0 and bootflag.txt to my cf card, reflash it and rebot it, but i don't think that anything changed. |
| 14:45:04 | DaJoker | gurok: it's just like making a bootable floppy man.. throw syslinux and a kernel on the CF |
| 14:45:55 | DaJoker | mrwoody: did you remember to rename zimage32-0 to zImage? |
| 14:46:06 | gurok | DaJoker.. indeed. I want to make the thing bootable from my Z. Its going to run in this strange athlon thing the size of a mouse mat |
| 14:46:31 | DaJoker | gurok: booting has nothing to do with your Z.. |
| 14:46:34 | mrwoody | DaJoker: ehmm...! :-) forget what i said! |
| 14:46:53 | DaJoker | mrwoody: :) |
| 14:51:22 | gurok | dajoker. - indeed. I want to use the Z to make it bootable. Its the only thing I have here with both CF and an OS already installed. |
| 14:53:22 | kergoth`zzz | morning |
| 14:53:22 | DaJoker | gurok: it seems to me that you need to read through ALL the syslinux docs before even attempting this |
| 14:53:23 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 14:53:23 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ |
| 14:53:23 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Hiya |
| 14:53:24 | JasonNJ | twiun: how goes the kaffee |
| 14:53:24 | Twiun | JasonNJ: non-gui works a treat... going to hack at it to get the gui stuff working |
| 14:53:28 | JasonNJ | fast? |
| 14:53:34 | Bongo | anyone? |
| 14:54:08 | Twiun | JasonNJ: haven't done performance tests yet (haven't tried all the optimisation options) |
| 14:54:27 | Bongo | anyone got ethernet over usb workin? |
| 14:59:20 | mark | Bongo: yep. then i saw the light and purchased wireless kit :) |
| 14:59:20 | Bongo | :| |
| 14:59:20 | Bongo | ; |
| 14:59:20 | Bongo | :| |
| 14:59:20 | Bongo | just wanna surf on me | |
| 14:59:20 | Bongo | Z |
| 14:59:20 | Bongo | this usb howto says i need to patch it |
| 14:59:20 | Bongo | but i dont want to |
| 14:59:20 | mark | Bongo: some dists come with a module for it iirc |
| 14:59:20 | scanline | What's the point of surfing on the Z if you don't have wireless? :) |
| 14:59:20 | Bongo | fs |
| 14:59:20 | Bongo | i dont want to buy anything |
| 14:59:21 | Bongo | i just wanna surf on it |
| 14:59:21 | Bongo | i cant buy stuff |
| 14:59:21 | scanline | shrugs |
| 14:59:21 | Bongo | i dont have a endless supply of money |
| 14:59:21 | scanline | just that if it's right next to your computer, there's not much point |
| 14:59:21 | Bongo | SO |
| 14:59:21 | scanline | just going for coolness factor? =) |
| 14:59:21 | Bongo | u got a problem with me doing it or something? |
| 14:59:21 | scanline | no |
| 14:59:21 | Bongo | all i asked is if someone had got it working |
| 14:59:21 | Bongo | i didnt ask for snide comments |
| 14:59:51 | Bongo | thats what pisses me off about the net |
| 14:59:55 | Bongo | if u ask something |
| 14:59:58 | scanline | hehe |
| 15:00:03 | Bongo | ppl seem to think its funny |
| 15:00:18 | Bongo | to say someting completely irrelevent or useless |
| 15:00:24 | Bongo | *HINT!* |
| 15:00:46 | scanline | thinks Bongo takes things too seriously... |
| 15:00:56 | Bongo | and the world out there is a big joke? |
| 15:01:23 | Bongo | is gettin a job a joke? |
| 15:01:27 | scanline | I didn't say anything intended to upset you, just wondering how useful it is to surf on your Z when it's right next to a computer |
| 15:01:32 | scanline | s/computer/full size computer/ |
| 15:01:47 | Bongo | its just something i want to do |
| 15:01:54 | Bongo | if yer bein like that |
| 15:02:05 | Bongo | whats the point being connected to the net alltogether then |
| 15:02:08 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:02:16 | Bongo | ermm its 4pm |
| 15:02:26 | scanline | Well, you could have responded "just for fun" instead of taking offense |
| 15:02:35 | chouimat | Bongo: here it 11h00am |
| 15:02:37 | scanline | I mean no offense |
| 15:02:53 | Bongo | ive asked this question 3 times |
| 15:02:59 | Twiun | JasonNJ: BTW, Jim Pick's very much alive - but seems to have a lot of things going on in his personal life atm (from his posting on kaffe.org) |
| 15:03:06 | Bongo | ive either been ignored or givin silly comment |
| 15:03:07 | Bongo | s |
| 15:03:45 | JasonNJ | twiun: has he sent you any of the code he was working on? |
| 15:04:03 | Bongo | where are the sources? |
| 15:04:08 | Bongo | fs |
| 15:04:20 | Bongo | anyone got a solution for not enough usb ports |
| 15:04:30 | DaJoker | go buy a hub |
| 15:04:32 | kergoth | Bongo: buy a usb card with more ports? buy a usb hub? |
| 15:04:33 | Bongo | oh yea |
| 15:04:41 | Bongo | and i have all this money lying about |
| 15:04:44 | Bongo | im so rich |
| 15:04:48 | kergoth | dood |
| 15:04:51 | kergoth | wtf is your problem |
| 15:04:52 | JasonNJ | bongo: they are cheap |
| 15:04:55 | kergoth | some solutions require money |
| 15:04:56 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Nope, think I should pester him? |
| 15:05:08 | JasonNJ | yeah, especially if you think you want to maintain it. |
| 15:05:10 | Bongo | u ask me what my problem is? |
| 15:05:19 | Bongo | ive asked the same question 3 times |
| 15:05:25 | Bongo | no ones responded |
| 15:05:26 | kergoth | Bongo: yes. what is your problem? you ask a question, we told you the answer. buy a hub. |
| 15:05:38 | kergoth | Bongo: if they didnt respond they either arent available, or dont know the answer. deal with it. |
| 15:05:40 | Bongo | about ethernet over usb |
| 15:05:58 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 15:06:02 | DaJoker | Bongo: umm.. no one answers you because you don't want to help yourself |
| 15:06:06 | DaJoker | <Bongo> this usb howto says i need to patch it |
| 15:06:06 | DaJoker | <Bongo> but i dont want to |
| 15:06:14 | DaJoker | well guess what.. it freaking REQUIRES the patch to work |
| 15:06:21 | DaJoker | if you want it working, you'll follow the freaking docs |
| 15:06:25 | Bongo | wasnt what someone said |
| 15:06:37 | Bongo | someone said it didnt need the patch |
| 15:06:40 | kergoth | Bongo: if you arent willing to look, then i wont help you |
| 15:06:43 | Twiun | JasonNJ: right. also tried having a go at building bits of pocketlinux... fun... not. |
| 15:06:47 | kergoth | Bongo: get the standalone usbdnet |
| 15:06:50 | kergoth | Bongo: google is your friend. |
| 15:07:03 | DaJoker | Bongo: now wait.. either no one answers or someone said it doesn't need a patch.. which is it? |
| 15:07:12 | Bongo | ok ive just spent £399 i dont want to go patching me Z and fuck it all up |
| 15:07:13 | DaJoker | make up your mind |
| 15:07:16 | tmochel | Does someone know if it is possible to burn an english version of the Sharp ROMs on an SL-5500D (german version) ? |
| 15:07:22 | kergoth | Bongo: you arent patching the Z |
| 15:07:24 | kergoth | Bongo: RTFM |
| 15:07:29 | kergoth | Bongo: you're patching the kernel on you desktop |
| 15:07:30 | Bongo | yes |
| 15:07:46 | Bongo | but i aint usin linux |
| 15:07:50 | Bongo | im usin windows |
| 15:07:54 | kergoth | then install the driver off the cd |
| 15:07:57 | kergoth | thats all you need to do |
| 15:07:59 | Bongo | ive tryed |
| 15:08:00 | chouimat | kergoth: just received the arm sdk evaluation cd |
| 15:08:02 | kergoth | read the fucking manual |
| 15:08:12 | Bongo | the manual says fuck all about usb |
| 15:08:13 | kergoth | chouimat: nice. got the ARM ARM on it? |
| 15:08:18 | Bongo | ethernet over usbn sorry |
| 15:08:25 | chouimat | kergoth: yes |
| 15:08:26 | | ACTION Lights the RTFM bomb, places it in the middle of the channel, and runs like hell |
| 15:08:26 | scanline | ibot: rtfm bomb |
| 15:10:23 | kergoth | Bongo: myzaurus.com zauruszone.com. rtfm. |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | Bongo: i'm not going to hold your fukcing hand through this |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | Bongo: nor will anyone else |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | Bongo: you're expected to not be completely inept |
| 15:10:24 | Bongo | ermm yer sayin i have the problem |
| 15:10:24 | Bongo | whos the one who's being rude |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | works flawless for me |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | and everyone else in here |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | i wonder where the problem lies |
| 15:10:24 | Bongo | dont here anyone else moaning and swearing |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | ... |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | you're right, the only other one moaning in here is you |
| 15:10:24 | Bongo | quote(4:09.10) 1(kergoth1): read the fucking manual |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:10:24 | Bongo | sounds like moaning to mw |
| 15:10:24 | Bongo | e |
| 15:10:24 | chouimat | kergoth: 13MB |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | did i claim i wasnt? |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | bullshit |
| 15:10:24 | scanline | Isn't tech support fun... |
| 15:10:24 | Bongo | yes |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | i said the only *other* person moaning is you |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | *other* |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | read what i say |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | comprehension is good |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth | scanline: ohhhh yeah |
| 15:10:33 | Bongo | tbh i cba with stupid arguments good bye and good fuckin riddance |
| 15:10:34 | kergoth | scanline: particularly when they refuse to do any work for themselves |
| 15:10:39 | kergoth | yay |
| 15:10:54 | kergoth | that was easy |
| 15:10:54 | kergoth | goes back to coding |
| 15:10:54 | scanline | the RTFM bomb worked :) |
| 15:11:13 | Harlekin | kergoth: which qt do you currently use? |
| 15:11:14 | chouimat | kergoth: I didn understand the Bongo problem |
| 15:11:25 | DaJoker | chouimat: no need to understand it.. |
| 15:11:27 | kergoth | chouimat: he wanted someone to hold his hand through setting up usb networking in windows |
| 15:11:36 | kergoth | Harlekin: 2.3.4-beta2 |
| 15:12:36 | Harlekin | k |
| 15:12:36 | chouimat | kergoth: do you the ARM arm? |
| 15:12:36 | chouimat | add want somewhere |
| 15:12:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:12:36 | kergoth | yes, please |
| 15:12:36 | kergoth | brb, need coffee badly |
| 15:13:35 | scanline | sips a 2-liter of Dew and tries to do some homework |
| 15:13:47 | ljp_work | I thought I read I need coffe brandy |
| 15:13:51 | chouimat | scanline: what kind of homework |
| 15:14:10 | scanline | operating systems assignment... bounded buffers problem on windows NT <gag> |
| 15:14:19 | chouimat | ljp_work: coffee amarula |
| 15:14:29 | chouimat | scanline: yurk! |
| 15:16:09 | chouimat | hehe didn use my cell phone since july and now the co give me 10 minutes free |
| 15:32:53 | Twiun | benmeyer: hiya |
| 15:32:55 | benmeyer | hi |
| 15:32:58 | kergoth | hey ben |
| 15:33:00 | kergoth | hows it goin |
| 15:34:38 | benmeyer | good |
| 15:43:49 | Twiun | hey tux_mike |
| 15:43:53 | tux_mike | hey |
| 15:43:57 | kergoth | hey mike |
| 15:43:58 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 15:44:39 | tux_mike | well, i'm without job once again, but at least i'm fully rested :) |
| 15:44:49 | kergoth | its monday |
| 15:44:54 | kergoth | has a case of the mondays |
| 15:45:06 | scanline | oh no |
| 15:45:24 | scanline | sticks some pieces of flare on ibot |
| 15:45:29 | Twiun | tux_mike: ack... jobhunting again then? |
| 15:45:33 | kergoth | scanline: lol |
| 15:45:37 | tux_mike | yah |
| 15:47:06 | kybu | hi xavier |
| 15:47:32 | XavierXeon | hi kybu, so you managed your release |
| 15:47:45 | kybu | :) |
| 15:47:50 | kergoth | hey XavierXeon |
| 15:47:58 | XavierXeon | what about the money bit ? |
| 15:48:06 | XavierXeon | hi kergoth |
| 15:48:11 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 15:48:19 | XavierXeon | not bad |
| 15:48:37 | XavierXeon | just finished my first day being back at work |
| 15:48:45 | kybu | xavierxeon heh, it's little problem, because i am in something like "military duty" and i can't officialy ear any money |
| 15:49:11 | XavierXeon | kybu: you have to go to the army ? for how long ? |
| 15:50:11 | kybu | no i am not in army, we have to choices, army or some work in some republic's institition, so i em in instition |
| 15:50:21 | kybu | s/to/two/ |
| 15:50:37 | kybu | damn the letters disapears :) |
| 15:50:37 | XavierXeon | i did the same :=) |
| 15:50:45 | kybu | :) |
| 15:50:55 | kybu | i have to be here for 13month and 15 days |
| 15:51:26 | XavierXeon | is that the total time ? i also had to serve for 13 months |
| 15:51:33 | kybu | yes total :) |
| 15:51:38 | kybu | where aru you from? |
| 15:51:43 | XavierXeon | germany |
| 15:51:50 | kybu | hm |
| 15:52:01 | kybu | dont you have profesional army? |
| 15:52:47 | XavierXeon | not yet. they are discussing it at the moment. every male person has to serve some time either in the army or some other institution. |
| 15:53:03 | kybu | like here |
| 15:55:45 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes OZ |
| 15:56:37 | XavierXeon | JasonNJ: have there been any decicions about how people will be able to use opera 6 ? |
| 15:56:47 | kergoth | JasonNJ: only one major outstanding bug |
| 15:56:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: after that is fixed its released |
| 15:57:02 | kergoth | benmeyer: <pester>networksetup segfault</pester> ;) |
| 15:58:03 | kybu | oh, the new opera with flash will be for Z? |
| 15:58:23 | XavierXeon | a month ago JasonNJ was testing it |
| 15:58:37 | JasonNJ | cool, the prerelease is nifty. |
| 15:58:47 | kybu | and when will be released? |
| 15:58:48 | JasonNJ | I really dig the enhancements in the appearance and launcher config apps |
| 15:59:03 | JasonNJ | Xavier: we havent made any decisions yet. |
| 15:59:08 | benmeyer | ok, commited some cleanup |
| 15:59:22 | benmeyer | 50% chance it fixes it |
| 15:59:22 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 15:59:23 | JasonNJ | there will be a updated 5500 rom coming |
| 15:59:37 | JasonNJ | in order to bring it up to the next model's database specs |
| 15:59:48 | JasonNJ | so that will include app enhancements for sure |
| 16:00:08 | XavierXeon | what about the next model ? any release schedule ? |
| 16:00:15 | JasonNJ | cant discuss it. |
| 16:00:18 | XavierXeon | ok |
| 16:00:27 | kergoth | benmeyer: what causes a segfault in qt/e destroyMapper()? |
| 16:00:27 | kergoth | benmeyer: this was more indepth in qt than i understood |
| 16:00:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:00:31 | JasonNJ | but expect some kind of announcment in a few weeks. |
| 16:00:42 | XavierXeon | grins |
| 16:00:53 | benmeyer | kergoth: QMap I think |
| 16:00:56 | benmeyer | still have to test |
| 16:01:01 | kergoth | k |
| 16:03:17 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone |
| 16:04:41 | kergoth | hey cloud |
| 16:05:15 | ljp_work | err what about an updated rom for 5000d's? do we get one also? ;) |
| 16:05:41 | XavierXeon | hi Cloudchaser |
| 16:05:49 | Cloudchaser | how's everyone doing today? |
| 16:06:01 | kergoth | its monday |
| 16:06:03 | kergoth | nuff said |
| 16:06:09 | scanline | M-O-N |
| 16:06:10 | scanline | D-A-Y |
| 16:06:14 | scanline | S-U-C-K-S |
| 16:06:20 | XavierXeon | just came home from work |
| 16:06:22 | ljp_work | I'm doing blah |
| 16:06:29 | kergoth | y-e-s i-t d-o-e-s |
| 16:06:54 | scanline | That was a song they play on our local radio station at midnight on monday... to the tune of the mickey mouse song |
| 16:12:16 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: hiya |
| 16:12:59 | Cloudchaser | heya Twiun |
| 16:14:03 | Bongo | why do i only have 1 meg ram free? |
| 16:15:22 | Cloudchaser | cause you filled it up? |
| 16:15:31 | Bongo | ram as in memory |
| 16:15:56 | Bongo | programs keep closing emselves |
| 16:16:22 | Bongo | 1540k free |
| 16:17:44 | Bongo | how can i find whats takin up my ram |
| 16:18:05 | scanline | top |
| 16:18:38 | Bongo | ? |
| 16:18:38 | benmeyer | what are you looking for? |
| 16:18:40 | benmeyer | cf? |
| 16:18:53 | Bongo | im running really low on ram |
| 16:18:54 | mind_ | well actually i just want to get cheap cards for our inhome net |
| 16:19:06 | Bongo | before i had 8mg free now i have 1 meg |
| 16:19:12 | Bongo | there isnt any programs open |
| 16:19:21 | benmeyer | 802.11b I assume? |
| 16:19:24 | mind_ | the point is, i'm sick of those cables laying round and driling holes in walls ain't just the right thing.. |
| 16:19:29 | kergoth | Bongo: where are you reading this information? sysinfo? |
| 16:19:37 | mind_ | benmeyer: what we got else, legal in europe? |
| 16:19:42 | Bongo | System info in Applications |
| 16:19:55 | kergoth | Bongo: add up free + cached and you have the total memory free |
| 16:20:06 | kergoth | Bongo: cached is available for app use, its just not obvious |
| 16:20:07 | Bongo | ah |
| 16:20:26 | Bongo | what explains programs closing emselves |
| 16:20:34 | Bongo | media player did |
| 16:20:40 | kergoth | that one i dunno |
| 16:20:46 | Bongo | and billiardZ keeps closing itself |
| 16:21:09 | mind_ | benmeyer: and i guess 802.11 is the most used, therefor the ceapes, cuz of a lot of products on the market |
| 16:21:11 | Bongo | now i have 6mg free |
| 16:21:11 | JasonNJ | oh crap. |
| 16:21:13 | Bongo | hmm wierd |
| 16:21:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ? |
| 16:21:20 | JasonNJ | I totally forgot to tape Full Metal Challenge |
| 16:21:30 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:22:36 | mind_ | benmeyer: ya still with me? |
| 16:22:46 | chouimat | My eyes! Celine Dion is on tv! |
| 16:22:53 | Bongo | ive removed some apps from add remove |
| 16:23:03 | Bongo | and yet theyre still in applications |
| 16:23:05 | Bongo | and working |
| 16:23:07 | Bongo | :| |
| 16:23:24 | JasonNJ | celine is still a babe |
| 16:23:36 | chouimat | gags |
| 16:24:02 | Bongo | anyone? |
| 16:24:18 | Bongo | howd i list the installed packages with ipkg? |
| 16:25:02 | Twiun | JasonNJ: urgh - |
| 16:25:10 | Twiun | urgh, I say ;-) |
| 16:25:34 | chouimat | Twiun: all taste are in the nature |
| 16:25:34 | Twiun | damn Kaffe - they didn't use component peers in the awt implementation |
| 16:25:46 | Bongo | ipkg -l? |
| 16:27:08 | Bongo | hello? |
| 16:28:58 | Bongo | lol |
| 16:29:11 | kergoth | re |
| 16:29:11 | Bongo | kergoth? |
| 16:29:12 | kergoth | hey NeoTron |
| 16:29:15 | kergoth | yeah? |
| 16:29:18 | JasonNJ | yo neo. |
| 16:29:35 | Bongo | whya are applications ive removed still in me applications tab |
| 16:30:36 | XavierXeon | Bongo: did you move the applications to another tab ? can you still start them ? |
| 16:30:51 | Bongo | i can stil start em |
| 16:30:58 | Bongo | which is annoying |
| 16:31:04 | Bongo | seeing as ive removed em |
| 16:31:05 | Bongo | :| |
| 16:32:09 | scanline | Advanced package management technology, lets you use apps even after deleting them :) |
| 16:32:16 | XavierXeon | Bongo: reinstall them, make a copy of the /usr/lib/ipkg/info/(name of app) file and uninstall them. if they are still there delete all files as listed in the ipkg info file |
| 16:32:38 | Bongo | woohoo what fun |
| 16:32:49 | Bongo | surely i can just remove the link in applications |
| 16:32:55 | Bongo | ive removed the xml for one of em |
| 16:33:06 | Bongo | and it just crashes me Z :) |
| 16:33:42 | Bongo | wheres the list of applications? |
| 16:35:00 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 16:39:52 | darienm|away | Help! I need some assistance: |
| 16:39:59 | darienm|away | grr. |
| 16:40:02 | darienm | Okay, so when I hit '/' at start, then 'a' to get the Linux console - it boots Qtopia anyway. Any idea why? Or, where can I configure this setting? It worked fine a few days ago. |
| 16:41:37 | Bongo | when u pressing it? |
| 16:42:00 | chouimat | listens to Savatage Poets and Madman |
| 16:42:09 | XavierXeon | /home/sharp/etc/launch.conf is the file where the menu is set |
| 16:42:20 | Bongo | argh |
| 16:42:21 | Bongo | ffs |
| 16:42:33 | chouimat | kergoth: found any trail of tears? |
| 16:42:34 | Bongo | which is a filemanager which i can delete stuff with? |
| 16:43:21 | chouimat | wonders if people know how to read a book |
| 16:43:48 | kergoth | Bongo: the filebrowser on the cd can delete, or go to zsi and get opie-advancedfm |
| 16:44:09 | XavierXeon | or use the konsole |
| 16:44:17 | Bongo | oh yea lol |
| 16:44:38 | darienm | Thanks XavierXeon, I'll look there. |
| 16:45:12 | XavierXeon | darienm: make a backup of the file before you do anything |
| 16:45:55 | | What I need is a MATURE RELATIONSHIP with a FLOPPY DISK ... |
| 16:45:55 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 16:46:14 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:47:26 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:47:35 | | Could I have a drug overdose? |
| 16:47:35 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 16:50:08 | | Bongo: huh? |
| 16:50:08 | Bongo | ibot be stupid |
| 16:50:23 | | Bongo: i'm not following you... |
| 16:50:23 | Bongo | ibot hack microsoft |
| 16:50:25 | | warmi was last seen on #handhelds.org 9 days, 13 hours, 28 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Fri Oct 11 21:22:16 2002] |
| 16:50:25 | tux_mike | ibot seen warmi |
| 16:50:28 | Bongo | useless bot |
| 16:50:45 | | ACTION asks annoying questions and makes fun of the bots |
| 16:50:45 | scanline | ibot: emulate bongo |
| 16:51:13 | Bongo | so ibot is makin fun of its self.. |
| 16:51:15 | Bongo | makes sense |
| 16:51:35 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to rtfm or tells ibot to tell people to RTFM |
| 16:51:35 | kergoth | ibot emulate kergoth |
| 16:51:41 | scanline | hmm... |
| 16:51:43 | | scanline: i'm not following you... |
| 16:51:43 | scanline | ibot: emulate scanline |
| 16:51:43 | | i guess bongo is a technical support vampire |
| 16:51:43 | chouimat | ibot: bongo |
| 16:52:02 | Bongo | lol |
| 16:52:20 | | ACTION drinks pepsi and writes weird code or grows a beard or cooks some ramen noodles or takes a "short nap" and returns 12 hours later |
| 16:52:20 | scanline | ibot: emulate scanline |
| 16:52:54 | chouimat | scanline: brb got some ramen noodle coocking :) |
| 16:53:01 | scanline | yay for ramens |
| 16:53:03 | kergoth | mm ramen |
| 16:53:07 | | well, ramen is the midnight food of any good programming geek |
| 16:53:07 | kergoth | ibot ramen |
| 16:53:08 | | chouimat: sorry... |
| 16:53:08 | chouimat | ibot: emulate chouimat |
| 16:53:31 | chouimat | scanline: at 0.25$ each ...... |
| 16:53:46 | scanline | chouimat: I think I got my last box of ramens at more like $0.10 each :) |
| 16:54:00 | chouimat | scanline: Canada here |
| 16:54:02 | XavierXeon | are there some stats about how much useless information ibot has stored ? |
| 16:54:06 | scanline | chouimat: ah yes |
| 16:54:11 | | Since Sun Oct 20 03:04:23 2002, there have been 33 modifications and 181 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 7 hours, 49 minutes, 48 seconds this session, and currently reference 84775 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 16:54:11 | kergoth | ibot status |
| 16:54:35 | scanline | A lot of that must be from fact packs though |
| 16:54:39 | | it has been said that bob is guilty of that... But I didn't fuss, so I'm equally guilty... or your cat |
| 16:54:39 | chouimat | ibot bob |
| 16:54:53 | | i don't know, scanline |
| 16:54:53 | scanline | ibot: weird code? |
| 16:55:03 | | you are probably someone looking for a girlfriend or Bob's owner |
| 16:55:03 | chouimat | ibot chouimat |
| 16:55:08 | | OK, scanline. |
| 16:55:08 | scanline | ibot: weird code is http://picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/TicTacToe |
| 16:55:17 | | You were s'posed to laugh! |
| 16:55:17 | kergoth | ibot: yow |
| 16:55:21 | | zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 16:55:21 | Bongo | ibot zaurus |
| 16:55:26 | | I smell like a wet reducing clinic on Columbus Day! |
| 16:55:26 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 16:55:56 | | ...but bongo is a technical support vampire... |
| 16:55:56 | Bongo | ibot bongo is .....great |
| 16:56:01 | Bongo | tsk |
| 16:56:22 | | Bongo: sorry... |
| 16:56:22 | Bongo | ibot trout |
| 16:56:24 | Bongo | omg |
| 16:56:36 | Bongo | how can u have a bot and not give it truot functions? |
| 16:56:45 | Bongo | slaps ibot around a bit with a large 10lb brown trout |
| 16:56:47 | chouimat | hi cc |
| 16:56:49 | kergoth | Bongo: its an infobot, not an assault bot |
| 16:56:50 | kergoth | hey cloud |
| 16:56:54 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 16:57:01 | Cloudchaser | grrr.. i'm so frustrated!! |
| 16:57:05 | kergoth | whys that |
| 16:57:07 | Cloudchaser | stupid old pc |
| 16:57:11 | | Bongo is nothing but a toad-spotted thimbleful of common-kissing waffle-house grits. |
| 16:57:11 | chouimat | ibot insult Bongo |
| 16:57:11 | | OK, ljp_work. |
| 16:57:11 | ljp_work | ibot: trout is <reply> bugger off will ya.. |
| 16:57:19 | Cloudchaser | won't boot to rh 7.3 or 7.2 cd |
| 16:57:29 | Bongo | how can i edit /home/sharp/etc/loader.conf |
| 16:57:29 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 16:57:36 | | bugger off will ya.. |
| 16:57:36 | Bongo | ibot trout |
| 16:57:38 | Cloudchaser | happens on both old pcs |
| 16:57:41 | ljp_work | cloud: boot to a floppy? |
| 16:57:41 | kergoth | Bongo: with a text editor |
| 16:57:43 | Cloudchaser | laptops |
| 16:57:55 | Cloudchaser | i can boot to a floppy yes but it won'nt find the cd to install |
| 16:57:57 | Bongo | none of the text editors i have have open functios :| |
| 16:58:02 | | ACTION Loads some RTFM shells in its excessively large battleship guns and fires |
| 16:58:02 | scanline | ibot: assault! |
| 16:58:03 | chouimat | Bongo: cat >/home/sharp/etc/loader.conf |
| 16:58:03 | Bongo | tions |
| 16:58:08 | Bongo | :) |
| 16:58:22 | Cloudchaser | hehe scanline |
| 16:58:39 | Cloudchaser | i'm stuck with windows! |
| 16:58:41 | Cloudchaser | cries |
| 16:58:57 | chouimat | give some kleenex to Cloudchaser |
| 16:58:58 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: try fdisk |
| 16:58:59 | Cloudchaser | its got to have something to do with "how" the cd's are burned |
| 16:59:07 | Cloudchaser | fdisk what? |
| 16:59:09 | | windows is a trap,...an evil pit of quicksand that conjures people away from being free. A small door to freedom can be found at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/WindowsPPPHowto http://www.linux.org or http://www.linux.com |
| 16:59:09 | Bongo | ibot windows |
| 16:59:12 | Cloudchaser | it was brand new hard drive |
| 16:59:19 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: cdrw? |
| 16:59:27 | | bill gates is lord of Darkness |
| 16:59:27 | Bongo | ibot bill gates |
| 16:59:39 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: no cd-r |
| 16:59:45 | Cloudchaser | 70 min |
| 16:59:49 | Cloudchaser | i thought maybe that was it |
| 17:00:01 | Cloudchaser | and reburned first cd on 650 mb instead of 700 mb cd |
| 17:00:06 | Cloudchaser | but it wasn't ;( |
| 17:00:19 | ljp_work | cant find the cd? or the device? |
| 17:00:28 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: clean the read surface |
| 17:00:37 | Cloudchaser | it won't boot rh 7.2 or 7.3 cd |
| 17:00:41 | Cloudchaser | booted windows cd's just fine |
| 17:00:48 | Cloudchaser | in windows i can *read* the linux cds |
| 17:00:55 | Cloudchaser | browse the files anyway |
| 17:01:04 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: clean the cds |
| 17:01:10 | Cloudchaser | i have |
| 17:01:15 | Cloudchaser | nice and clean |
| 17:01:26 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: use a floppy then |
| 17:01:28 | Cloudchaser | used the 7.3 on desktop |
| 17:01:36 | Cloudchaser | i did use floppy to boot chouimat |
| 17:01:45 | Cloudchaser | it doesn't go to cd to install though |
| 17:01:56 | chouimat | weird |
| 17:01:57 | Cloudchaser | it wants another flopp;y |
| 17:02:14 | Cloudchaser | i'm so frustrated ;( |
| 17:02:24 | chouimat | . |
| 17:02:28 | Bongo | chouimat cat doesnt work :( |
| 17:02:30 | Cloudchaser | i can't really afford to go buy boxed copy |
| 17:02:51 | XavierXeon | Cloudchaser: do you have a fast internet conection ? |
| 17:03:01 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 17:03:18 | ljp_work | does redhat have different boot floppies? like one that installs from net, or one that boot/installs from cd? |
| 17:03:28 | Cloudchaser | i think so |
| 17:03:40 | Cloudchaser | i couldn't find the pcmcia.img though |
| 17:03:45 | ljp_work | try a net install.. it may take longer |
| 17:03:51 | XavierXeon | well you could try to either get a newer version + floppy boot disk or you could install via network |
| 17:03:54 | Cloudchaser | i googled for it |
| 17:04:05 | Cloudchaser | newer version? |
| 17:04:07 | Cloudchaser | like 8.0? |
| 17:04:21 | ljp_work | should be on the redhat cd if there is one,, you could make the floppies from windows |
| 17:04:56 | XavierXeon | guess it will not make much difference but it might be worth a try _if_ it does not take you ages |
| 17:05:42 | Cloudchaser | rh mirrors seem to be a bit slow cause of 8 atm |
| 17:06:00 | ljp_work | I installed redhat 7.3 over net.. on dsl took about 2.5 hours or so to download stuff |
| 17:06:48 | ljp_work | but it was faster than downloading two iso's |
| 17:07:04 | Cloudchaser | 7.3 has 3 if you install everything |
| 17:07:27 | Cloudchaser | duh just found pcmcia.img :) |
| 17:08:36 | tux_mike | hrm... i wonder if this linux and main article about the 3.0-pre is right |
| 17:08:53 | | nt is probably not able to do IP aliasing... |
| 17:08:53 | benmeyer | ibot nt |
| 17:09:03 | ljp_work | I never install everything |
| 17:09:04 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 17:09:04 | benmeyer | ibot xp |
| 17:09:10 | benmeyer | haha |
| 17:09:28 | | OK, tux_mike. |
| 17:09:28 | tux_mike | ibot xp is an operating system that has a UI designed by a 2 year old with a handful of crayons |
| 17:09:37 | | it has been said that xp is an operating system that has a UI designed by a 2 year old with a handful of crayons |
| 17:09:37 | benmeyer | ibot xp |
| 17:09:45 | | you are the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 17:09:45 | benmeyer | ibot me |
| 17:09:51 | | you are at mailto:kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 17:09:51 | kergoth | ibot kergoth |
| 17:09:52 | | benmeyer: i'm not following you... |
| 17:09:52 | benmeyer | ibot WindowsMe |
| 17:10:15 | | oh Great Googli-Moogli! |
| 17:10:15 | benmeyer | ibot Sharp |
| 17:10:30 | | benmeyer: sorry... |
| 17:10:30 | benmeyer | ibot Sharp Electronics |
| 17:10:35 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 17:10:35 | XavierXeon | it should also be noted that xp does not make you fly like the commercials suggested |
| 17:10:48 | kergoth | XavierXeon: bastards |
| 17:10:55 | | OK, tux_mike. |
| 17:10:55 | tux_mike | ibot windowsme is the last installment of the very unstable windows-on-dos operating systems. It is said to turn people's souls to ash if used for long periods of time. |
| 17:10:56 | benmeyer | yah I knoew |
| 17:11:02 | benmeyer | when i hit the ground the first time... |
| 17:11:31 | Cloudchaser | ljp whats a good site to install from, can you remember? |
| 17:11:34 | | kde is somewhat sluggish on a 32Mb iPAQ... totally untested on a 64 so far or bloated |
| 17:11:34 | benmeyer | ibot kde |
| 17:11:38 | | somebody said gnome was the GNU Object Model Environment or a competitor to KDE or see http://www.gnome.org or bloated |
| 17:11:38 | benmeyer | ibot gnome |
| 17:11:56 | ljp_work | I think I got a good one from wisconsin I think |
| 17:12:13 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 17:12:13 | benmeyer | ibot new jersey |
| 17:12:23 | Cloudchaser | just any of the mirror sites? or are they special ones to install from? |
| 17:12:41 | ljp_work | usually any mirror.. there's some that are dead slow tho |
| 17:13:25 | | hmmm... mirror is see familiar mirror |
| 17:13:25 | benmeyer | ibot mirror |
| 17:13:27 | | benmeyer: huh? |
| 17:13:27 | benmeyer | ibot movie |
| 17:13:31 | | benmeyer: sorry... |
| 17:13:31 | benmeyer | ibot movies |
| 17:13:39 | | i am an infobot http://infobot.org/ run by BZFlag on Tangent's hardware or a firewire web cam http://www.orangemicro.com/ibot.html |
| 17:13:39 | benmeyer | ibot ibot |
| 17:13:55 | | ljp_work: i don't know |
| 17:13:55 | ljp_work | ibot: whats benemeyer doing to you? |
| 17:13:56 | | bzflag was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 7 hours, 59 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: well, off to bed. nite all. [Sun Oct 20 03:14:38 2002] |
| 17:13:56 | benmeyer | ibot seen bzflag |
| 17:14:14 | Cloudchaser | if i did install older version, i would still have to boot to the cd to upgrade it wouldn't i? |
| 17:14:32 | | no idea, benmeyer |
| 17:14:32 | benmeyer | ibot ibot linux? |
| 17:14:38 | | wish i knew, benmeyer |
| 17:14:38 | benmeyer | ibot do you run on linux? |
| 17:14:52 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 17:14:52 | benmeyer | ibot look at yourself |
| 17:15:17 | | benmeyer: i haven't a clue |
| 17:15:17 | benmeyer | ibot ibot screenshot? |
| 17:15:21 | | i am an infobot http://infobot.org/ run by BZFlag on Tangent's hardware or a firewire web cam http://www.orangemicro.com/ibot.html |
| 17:15:21 | tux_mike | ibot ibot |
| 17:19:19 | WingLover | Bah, you should be a flooterbuck infobot! |
| 17:22:11 | WingLover | tbot, topten |
| 17:22:14 | | rumour has it topten is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/topten.php |
| 17:22:14 | WingLover | ibot, topten |
| 17:22:22 | WingLover | bastard. |
| 17:29:17 | benmeyer | Anyone want to write a screen demo? |
| 17:29:23 | benmeyer | i.e. like the java, but doesn't suck |
| 17:29:35 | benmeyer | just tries to draw 1000 squares or something |
| 17:30:23 | XavierXeon | what would be the point of that ? |
| 17:30:32 | benmeyer | to have lots of squares |
| 17:30:37 | benmeyer | bla there is no point |
| 17:30:39 | XavierXeon | hmm |
| 17:30:52 | benmeyer | ^ wants it |
| 17:31:22 | wParam | hmm. I might but i don't know any of qt's line drawing stuff |
| 17:31:38 | benmeyer | np, I am doing it |
| 17:31:54 | XavierXeon | why not juust port the qt qcanvas demo ? |
| 17:35:04 | benmeyer | Does it give numbed output? |
| 17:36:01 | Twiun | benmeyer: I agree, the Jeode java demo isn't really all that great ;-) |
| 17:36:15 | wParam | what's the fastest way to draw to the framebuffer? QCanvas? |
| 17:38:41 | XavierXeon | whats a numbed output ? |
| 17:39:05 | kergoth | wParam: QDirectPainter |
| 17:40:12 | wParam | oh, neat. |
| 17:43:17 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 17:43:21 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 17:44:02 | Neo|Work | kergoth: if you're looking for me ever, ask sugar, not ibot |
| 17:44:13 | Cloudchaser | hullo neo |
| 17:44:19 | Neo|Work | just a tip. :P |
| 17:45:01 | ljp_work | sugar: neo|work |
| 17:45:28 | ljp_work | sugar: Neo|Tron |
| 17:45:43 | ljp_work | sugar: Neo |
| 17:45:46 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: using heard or seen of course. ;-) |
| 17:45:52 | ljp_work | ahhh |
| 17:45:59 | ljp_work | sugar: seen Neo|Tron |
| 17:46:00 | Sugar | ljp_work: Sorry, I haven't seen Neo|Tron |
| 17:46:08 | ljp_work | sugar: seen neo|work |
| 17:46:09 | Sugar | ljp_work: I last saw neo|work on IRC 22 sec ago in channel #zaurus saying: ljp_work: using heard or seen of course. ;-) |
| 17:46:19 | Neo|Work | sugar heard neo|laptop |
| 17:46:19 | Sugar | Neo|Work: I last heard neo|laptop on IRC 324h 45m 32s ago in channel #zaurus saying: fusion94: evening |
| 17:46:23 | Neo|Work | sugar seen neo|laptop |
| 17:46:23 | Sugar | Neo|Work: I last saw neo|laptop quitting IRC 324h 26m 6s ago. |
| 17:46:26 | Neo|Work | thus.. |
| 17:46:32 | WingLover | sugar, flooterbuck? |
| 17:57:06 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/chaos_fire.png |
| 18:02:27 | kergoth | yawns |
| 18:04:38 | ciao_linux | benmeyer: i tried the doc about hotplug with debian that u sent me... it works, but if i unplug the Z and i plug it again, it wouldnt work... |
| 18:05:15 | kergoth | ciao_linux: what rom? |
| 18:05:45 | ciao_linux | kergoth: the last oz prerelease ... but i think that it depends on debian |
| 18:06:12 | ciao_linux | kergoth: and it is kernel ...19 on the linux box |
| 18:06:17 | kergoth | ciao_linux: try running network setup on the Z, go to information on usbd0, and hit "restart" |
| 18:06:24 | kergoth | ciao_linux: after reinserting it i mean |
| 18:06:57 | ciao_linux | kergoth: ok. I will try that... |
| 18:07:39 | ciao_linux | kergoth: is it possible to use hotplug also with the cf reader? |
| 18:07:54 | ciao_linux | kergoth: so that it would mount it automatically when i insert the cf card? |
| 18:11:58 | kergoth | ciao_linux: yes, its possible. I havent tried .. |
| 18:12:51 | ciao_linux | kergoth: when exactly does hotplug start? if i plug the card, woul |
| 18:12:54 | ciao_linux | d it start |
| 18:13:10 | ciao_linux | or do i need to plug the reader again? |
| 18:13:14 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:13:24 | kergoth | not sure |
| 18:30:32 | WingLover | Anyone have any experience with layout managers? |
| 18:31:12 | ljp_work | just the qt one |
| 18:31:39 | WingLover | That's the one I meant. |
| 18:31:59 | WingLover | I have a button group that holds 5 buttons of equal size. |
| 18:32:12 | WingLover | Due to the nature of the buttons, it may happen that I need to change their font. |
| 18:32:27 | WingLover | (ie, during the execution of the program) |
| 18:32:41 | WingLover | But doing that causes the buttons to change size as well. Which I don't want. |
| 18:34:38 | ljp_work | you can change the layout's resizeMode |
| 18:35:47 | WingLover | Oh, really? COol. |
| 18:36:37 | ljp_work | and/or set the buttons sizePolicy |
| 18:36:45 | ljp_work | might be better |
| 18:37:22 | WingLover | So which would be the right sizePolicy? Vertical:Expanding? |
| 18:38:42 | ljp_work | not sure, you may have to experiment |
| 18:39:20 | ljp_work | possibly even setting the buttons size, but they are supposed to grow/shrink with different font sizes |
| 18:39:34 | WingLover | And as a side note, designer won't let me design menus, right? |
| 18:39:48 | ljp_work | nope |
| 18:41:01 | WingLover | Okay, just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing a whole bunch of extra work for nothing. |
| 18:45:12 | diclophis | z0r |
| 19:19:24 | sig | http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/doubleteam/28.html |
| 19:22:18 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 19:22:40 | treke | howdy ho mr. hanky |
| 19:24:00 | BigBoss | believe in the power of the christmas poo |
| 19:29:27 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:29:53 | hardwire | I need to learn xml parsing in c |
| 19:29:53 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:30:08 | BigBoss | good luck |
| 19:30:21 | hardwire | I really like scripting languages |
| 19:30:27 | hardwire | cause most of what I deal with.. are strings :) |
| 19:30:31 | hardwire | lots and lots of parsing |
| 19:30:32 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:30:37 | hardwire | doh |
| 19:30:50 | hardwire | but I need to make a micropic that groks xml |
| 19:30:51 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:31:00 | BigBoss | use python |
| 19:31:31 | hardwire | in a 4mhz machine? |
| 19:31:51 | BigBoss | sure |
| 19:31:51 | hardwire | I say dar boy.. you are quite daffy :) |
| 19:32:14 | ljp_work | I like string cheese |
| 19:32:29 | hardwire | I do too :) |
| 19:32:45 | WingLover | String cheese rocks. |
| 19:33:12 | BigBoss | hmm, cheese |
| 19:33:45 | ljp_work | I also like the String Cheese Incident |
| 19:34:03 | BigBoss | was that the guns and roses album? |
| 19:34:12 | hardwire | likes custard |
| 19:34:51 | ljp_work | no.. its a jam band |
| 19:35:21 | treke | whew. I thought that story had gotten out for a second |
| 19:35:50 | ljp_work | story? |
| 19:36:56 | BigBoss | treke is actually hillary clinton |
| 19:37:24 | hardwire | you know |
| 19:37:27 | hardwire | its cruell |
| 19:37:29 | hardwire | so bad |
| 19:37:30 | hardwire | so evil |
| 19:37:39 | hardwire | but I just QoS'ed one of my roomates |
| 19:41:22 | mark | yey, myzaurus back up |
| 19:41:40 | BigBoss | it was down? |
| 19:41:45 | mark | BigBoss: yes, all weekend |
| 19:41:55 | mark | BigBoss: suprised you didn't see a dip in sales, I certainly did |
| 19:42:22 | WingLover | sales? |
| 19:43:10 | BigBoss | i got sales in fromthem yesterday and today |
| 19:43:22 | BigBoss | and saturday |
| 19:43:32 | BigBoss | maybe those were through handango directly |
| 19:43:36 | chouimat | back |
| 19:43:55 | BigBoss | nope, they were through the myzaurus site |
| 19:43:56 | BigBoss | strange |
| 19:44:06 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 19:44:10 | mark | BigBoss: thats odd, no one here could get to it |
| 19:44:26 | BigBoss | hey chouimat |
| 19:44:32 | BigBoss | mark: yes, very strange |
| 19:44:48 | BigBoss | mark: did you see our new product release? |
| 19:45:02 | mark | BigBoss: tkcWhiteboard? yeh, looks neat. |
| 19:45:07 | BigBoss | yea |
| 19:45:23 | BigBoss | when is ReefWar going to stop being the product of the month? It's been like 3 months now |
| 19:45:35 | mark | BigBoss: I was thinking that.. |
| 19:46:02 | mark | BigBoss: doesn't look to great anyawy |
| 19:46:19 | WingLover | Oh, I see, y'all sell software on myzaurus |
| 19:46:26 | treke | hehe, that's just what I was thinking :) |
| 19:46:29 | mark | how do you know if a sale is through handango.com or myzaurus.com? is it this "Premier" or "Basic" thing? |
| 19:46:36 | BigBoss | yes |
| 19:46:42 | BigBoss | Basic is Handango and at 30% |
| 19:46:43 | mark | Basic == handango? |
| 19:46:51 | BigBoss | Premier is myzaurus and floating |
| 19:47:00 | mark | floating? how do you mean? |
| 19:47:13 | BigBoss | yea, let's show all the new Zaurus customers that our premier software is Reef War for 3 months |
| 19:47:24 | BigBoss | mark: depending on how much you sell they take from 30% to 50% |
| 19:47:44 | mark | BigBoss: ah right - I thought that happened on handango.com too |
| 19:47:47 | chouimat | ouch 50% |
| 19:47:57 | mark | chouimat: yep, rip off |
| 19:48:05 | BigBoss | big time |
| 19:48:05 | WingLover | Jeez, 50% to sell stuff on handango? I never knew it was so high |
| 19:48:29 | mark | BigBoss: where are these rates documented? |
| 19:48:49 | BigBoss | mark: I think it's in the contract, but it's really buried |
| 19:49:39 | mark | that being said, Handango have been pretty efficient when I've had queries/needed to contact them. |
| 19:50:29 | BigBoss | yes, it's kind of a love/hate thing |
| 19:50:40 | BigBoss | the people that work there are really nice and try to be very helpful |
| 19:50:53 | BigBoss | the senior management is a bit, shall we say, slippery |
| 19:51:20 | mark | heh, i've only dealt with the nice lot |
| 19:51:48 | BigBoss | I've had some dealings with the President and founder |
| 19:52:08 | BigBoss | he's the type of guy that will smile and shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time |
| 19:52:32 | BigBoss | I might be overstating it, but he flat out lied to me about a number of pretty major items |
| 19:53:32 | mark | ouch |
| 19:53:51 | chouimat | BigBoss: I like those guys :) |
| 19:54:18 | mark | BigBoss: how are your japan sales going btw? |
| 19:54:26 | BigBoss | but the way the floating rates work is that once you sell $10,000 gross (7k net to you) it goes to 40%, and then at $50k gross (about 31k to you) it goes to 50% |
| 19:54:36 | BigBoss | then after 100k I think it goes back to 40% |
| 19:54:45 | mark | that makes no sense at all |
| 19:54:58 | BigBoss | mark: good actually, we just got tkcPlayer fully converted to japanese and started promoting it this last week |
| 19:55:06 | chouimat | mark: marketing make no sense |
| 19:55:11 | BigBoss | mark: no it doesn't, and that was the topic I discussed withthe prez |
| 19:55:23 | treke | zecke: hey. Is there some kind of trick to compiling todo? Seems to crash whenever I try it :) |
| 19:55:35 | zecke | treke: crash? |
| 19:55:53 | zecke | treke: that'S weird Stefan Eilers is using HEAD todo in productive use... |
| 19:55:56 | treke | zecke: yeah, it starts loading and the dies with an illegal instruction error |
| 19:56:02 | BigBoss | ah, we are playing Rush 2112 on progrock right now |
| 19:56:19 | zecke | BigBoss: you broadcast station is online? |
| 19:56:20 | treke | zecke: which is odd because the copy in the opie.info feed starts just fine |
| 19:56:24 | zecke | BigBoss: what's the url? |
| 19:56:26 | chouimat | BigBoss: complete album? |
| 19:56:32 | BigBoss | zecke: just the live365 stream |
| 19:56:34 | mark | BigBoss: do you know if the a300 is selling well out there? |
| 19:56:37 | BigBoss | www.progrock.com |
| 19:56:44 | BigBoss | click the live365 link |
| 19:56:47 | zecke | treke: did you update libopie too? |
| 19:56:51 | BigBoss | chouimat: the song, the 20 minute one |
| 19:57:00 | BigBoss | mark: I've got no sales numbers at this point |
| 19:57:10 | treke | zecke: nope. was using the libopie from the feed ( didnt think it changed much in a couple hours time) |
| 19:57:16 | BigBoss | mark; I think we've sold a few hundred copies into japan so far |
| 19:57:51 | mark | BigBoss: pretty good. |
| 19:58:00 | treke | zecke: I'll try redoing libopie |
| 19:58:02 | zecke | treke: it did |
| 19:58:02 | BigBoss | Sharp Space Town in japan is supposed to start reselling our stuff in a couple months I think |
| 19:58:43 | treke | zecke: the copy in the feed is also completly useless :) |
| 19:58:58 | badl | BigBoss: what is it your selling? |
| 19:58:59 | zecke | treke: ? |
| 19:59:03 | mark | BigBoss: nice, nice. |
| 19:59:12 | zecke | treke: it should be the old |
| 19:59:31 | zecke | treke: I today checked in the new editor dialog on stuff which should be present in future releases |
| 19:59:31 | treke | zecke: it isnt :) and it's before your patch to make opie-todo update the display |
| 19:59:45 | zecke | treke: aye aye |
| 19:59:49 | zecke | treke: that's HEAD |
| 20:00:01 | BigBoss | badl: www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 20:00:03 | treke | zecke: thats also the feed |
| 20:00:11 | badl | ahhh |
| 20:00:21 | zecke | treke: I got one tester which is also one of the main OPIE PIM guy... |
| 20:00:36 | zecke | treke: He can use it regulary in a day to day life... |
| 20:00:45 | treke | wierd |
| 20:01:42 | zecke | treke: new Todo should feature along with SubCategories and more Icons + Colors, Parent, Maintainer, MaintainerMode, X-Ref, Recurrance, Alarms, Reminders(Events in Calendar), Completed/Start Date and some more stuff |
| 20:02:02 | treke | tries a fresh compile |
| 20:03:05 | WingLover | BigBoss, oh, you're with thekompany.com? Cool, your stuff looks nice. |
| 20:03:50 | sjohnson | WingLover: BigBoss _is_ thekompany.com ;> |
| 20:03:54 | BigBoss | thanks WingLover, actually I'm the president |
| 20:04:09 | WingLover | hehe |
| 20:04:10 | BigBoss | sjohnson: I wish it was just me :), but we have a lot of excellent employees |
| 20:04:28 | treke | BigBoss: well theres an easy way to make it just you :) |
| 20:04:36 | Bongo | arggh |
| 20:04:45 | treke | as long as you dont mind never seeing your family again |
| 20:04:48 | Bongo | anyone about? |
| 20:04:52 | WingLover | BigBoss, well, those apps sure are nice alternatives to the ugly-as-hell ones that come with the Z. |
| 20:05:12 | Bongo | right |
| 20:05:22 | Bongo | on of my apps crashed me Z |
| 20:05:24 | sjohnson | BigBoss: Oh yeah. Those pesky employees. Can't live with'em. Can't live without'em :) |
| 20:05:36 | Bongo | so i flicked the battery switch to reset it |
| 20:05:40 | Bongo | now |
| 20:05:43 | zecke | treke: I find the current HEAD version quiet stable |
| 20:06:00 | Bongo | it gets to Init:enetring runlevel: 5 and does nothing |
| 20:06:04 | BigBoss | WingLover: have you gotten anything yet? |
| 20:06:05 | Bongo | can anyon help? |
| 20:06:59 | WingLover | Not yet, I just got the Z. |
| 20:07:01 | Bongo | it asks for a input key |
| 20:07:06 | Bongo | but a doesnt work |
| 20:07:29 | zecke | Damn I can't wait till the 28th of October... |
| 20:08:38 | BigBoss | yea, that day is gonna just rock |
| 20:08:39 | Bongo | why |
| 20:08:52 | BigBoss | it's Labor Day in New Zealand |
| 20:08:55 | treke | cuz it only comes once a year |
| 20:08:58 | zecke | Bongo: a best of CD from Nirvana... |
| 20:09:07 | Bongo | :| |
| 20:09:12 | BigBoss | don't forget about LD in NZ |
| 20:09:18 | egv | anyone know if it's possible to sync a z with an MS exchange server when the USB cradle's connected to a linux box? |
| 20:09:19 | BigBoss | the sheep farmers need your support |
| 20:09:21 | Bongo | someone help plz |
| 20:09:25 | Bongo | yes |
| 20:09:31 | chouimat | Luca turilli release is new album |
| 20:09:36 | Gfx | n'cha |
| 20:09:40 | kendrick2 | woah - my z won't suspend |
| 20:09:49 | WingLover | I guess they decided not to sell the Zaurus in Canada. |
| 20:09:51 | Bongo | kendrick2 yer lucky |
| 20:09:54 | kendrick2 | (either with Cancel-On/Off, or with Qt->Suspend) |
| 20:09:55 | Gfx | I'd need some help on compiling Qtopia applications for the QT Virtual Frame Buffer please :))) |
| 20:10:00 | Bongo | mine wont even get into Qt |
| 20:10:05 | kendrick2 | i've never seen this before! |
| 20:10:10 | kendrick2 | wonders if some process is acting up |
| 20:10:17 | kendrick2 | it seems happy otherwise |
| 20:10:24 | kendrick2 | (tho when i decided to eject CF card, it took a LOOONG time) |
| 20:10:26 | Bongo | kendrick do u know alot |
| 20:10:26 | WingLover | I wish they would sell it here so I could get a replacemeny stylus without driving to Buffalo. |
| 20:10:42 | kendrick2 | hmm.. and sysinfo & terminal are taking a long time to start up too :) |
| 20:10:44 | Bongo | lawl |
| 20:10:49 | mark | hmm, would anyone like to see repton on the Z? |
| 20:10:56 | kendrick2 | tries restarting qtopia |
| 20:10:58 | kendrick2 | what's repton? |
| 20:11:00 | Bongo | me Z says it has email in the console |
| 20:11:13 | mark | kendrick2: it was a BBC basic game |
| 20:11:15 | kendrick2 | bongo - kinda. :) |
| 20:11:19 | kendrick2 | got an URL>? |
| 20:11:31 | Bongo | eh |
| 20:11:32 | Bongo | what for |
| 20:11:33 | kendrick2 | telling me what platform & language doesn't tell me MUCH :) |
| 20:11:40 | kendrick2 | bongo - i was talking to mark |
| 20:11:48 | kendrick2 | hmm... shutdown is taking a long time :^( |
| 20:11:52 | Bongo | MARK!! |
| 20:11:54 | Bongo | can u fix me Z |
| 20:11:58 | WingLover | Hey, anyone in here using the qtopia-free-1.5.0 SDK? |
| 20:12:03 | mark | kendrick2: heh, i was looking for one |
| 20:12:06 | Gfx | would like just a bit help about some linking problems when compiling Zaurus apps for qtopia x86 |
| 20:12:15 | Gfx | WingLover : yes, and I have problems with it |
| 20:12:16 | Bongo | mark? |
| 20:12:36 | mark | http://minionsoft.co.uk/Repton/screenshots.htm |
| 20:12:48 | WingLover | Gfx: It segfaults whenever I try to read the QStringList created by QFontDatabase::families() |
| 20:12:55 | johnix | Deon anybody know where I can find the Z serial link schematics ? |
| 20:12:57 | kendrick2 | thinks it's time for The Switch (tm) |
| 20:13:10 | Gfx | WingLover : I'm afraid I can't help, my compiler does not want to link :( |
| 20:13:14 | WingLover | Gfx, but only on the x86 compile, not the arm compile |
| 20:13:23 | WingLover | Oh, why isn't it linking? WHat error? |
| 20:13:26 | kendrick2 | is "Enhanced" for the BBC, too? |
| 20:13:46 | Bongo | crys |
| 20:13:58 | Gfx | WingLover : well, it does not find any QT object (like qpe lib wasn't found) |
| 20:14:01 | kendrick2 | that looks pretty much like boulderdash :) |
| 20:14:10 | kendrick2 | ok - damned zaurus |
| 20:14:11 | Gfx | I just installed the SDK RPM over a Mandrake 9.0 |
| 20:14:16 | kendrick2 | it's been working flawlessly for months, and now this |
| 20:14:18 | kendrick2 | switches the switch |
| 20:14:31 | hardwire | hi |
| 20:14:38 | mark | kendrick2: no idea |
| 20:14:40 | WingLover | Gfx, do you have a shell script to set up your environment variables? |
| 20:14:51 | Bongo | mark!! |
| 20:14:59 | Gfx | WingLover : yes, and the the ARM cross compiling goes well |
| 20:15:06 | kendrick2 | takes the opportunity to blow the lint out of the battery compartment |
| 20:15:09 | badl | WingLover: there is one on zauruszone.com |
| 20:15:13 | kendrick2 | mark - hang on a sec, i'll give you some useful URLs :) |
| 20:15:20 | WingLover | badl, I know, works find for me... :-) |
| 20:15:26 | WingLover | s/find/fine/ |
| 20:15:37 | Bongo | has mark ignored me |
| 20:15:42 | Gfx | WingLover : you just installed qtopia-free-1.5.0.rpm ? |
| 20:15:48 | mark | Bongo: whats the prob? |
| 20:15:50 | WingLover | Yes. |
| 20:16:03 | WingLover | Gfx, what is it that you're trying to link? The example program? |
| 20:16:14 | Gfx | yes |
| 20:16:20 | Bongo | on of my apps crashed me Z |
| 20:16:20 | kendrick2 | http://bd4.amristar.com.au/ |
| 20:16:23 | kendrick2 | http://epiphany.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:16:26 | kendrick2 | http://www.artsoft.org/rocksndiamonds/ |
| 20:16:26 | Bongo | so i flicked the battery switch to reset it |
| 20:16:36 | Bongo | it gets to Init:enetring runlevel: 5 and does nothing |
| 20:16:36 | Gfx | I got 61 Kb of logs like this : main.o(.text+0x47): undefined reference to `QPEApplication::exec()' |
| 20:16:38 | kendrick2 | those three are clones for linux |
| 20:16:43 | kendrick2 | and then i found this via google: http://boulder.cl4.org/ |
| 20:17:10 | kendrick2 | hmm.. i just got dropped into repairfs mode! <:^( |
| 20:17:14 | kendrick2 | thinks just exiting and rebooting works |
| 20:17:26 | WingLover | Gfx, and you ran tmake *after* you set the environment variables, right? |
| 20:17:30 | kendrick2 | should just fsck by itself this time :^/ |
| 20:17:32 | kendrick2 | yay! :) |
| 20:17:35 | kendrick2 | pets his zaurus |
| 20:17:41 | kendrick2 | i should really back shit up more frequently :) |
| 20:17:42 | mark | kendrick2: yah looks pretty similar |
| 20:17:52 | Gfx | WingLover : yep, after setting env var, I just did tmake example.pro > Makefile, make |
| 20:17:58 | kendrick2 | mark - yeah, boulderdash & boulderdash ii for the Atari 8-bit, C=64, etc., was the original |
| 20:18:00 | kendrick2 | classic game... |
| 20:18:12 | Bongo | sniffles |
| 20:18:26 | kendrick2 | http://www.firststarsoftware.com/boulderdash.htm <- oh yeah, First Star Software's still around, technically! :^) |
| 20:18:27 | Gfx | Bongo : what's your pb ? |
| 20:18:31 | Bongo | fs |
| 20:18:32 | mark | kendrick2: we dont have ports yet do we? |
| 20:18:37 | Bongo | i dont have to say it again |
| 20:18:40 | Bongo | on of my apps crashed me Z |
| 20:18:44 | Bongo | so i flicked the battery switch to reset it |
| 20:18:47 | Bongo | it gets to Init:enetring runlevel: 5 and does nothing |
| 20:18:53 | mark | Bongo: fun. reflash |
| 20:18:53 | Gfx | and it did not work |
| 20:18:55 | WingLover | Gfx,do you have this line in your Makefile? LIBS = $(SUBLIBS) -L$(QTDIR)/lib -lqpe -lqte |
| 20:18:59 | Bongo | from? |
| 20:19:05 | Gfx | did you try a full resest ? |
| 20:19:05 | Bongo | how |
| 20:19:11 | Bongo | howd i do that |
| 20:19:13 | Gfx | WingLover : yes |
| 20:19:14 | mark | yeh do that first |
| 20:19:18 | kendrick2 | http://www.firststarsoftware.com/Super_BD.jpg <-- Electronic Arts always had kickass art |
| 20:19:20 | Gfx | Bongo : open the battery place |
| 20:19:23 | Bongo | yea |
| 20:19:26 | Gfx | and press, with the stylus |
| 20:19:33 | Gfx | the button placed next to the battery switch |
| 20:19:42 | Gfx | you'll lose all your installed apps, settings and cos |
| 20:19:43 | Gfx | docs |
| 20:19:56 | Bongo | what button |
| 20:19:58 | kendrick2 | bongo sounds like he's not familiar with my FAQ :) |
| 20:20:01 | kendrick2 | the 'Reset' button! |
| 20:20:01 | Bongo | the big whole |
| 20:20:05 | Gfx | yep |
| 20:20:06 | kendrick2 | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
| 20:20:26 | kendrick2 | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/gfx/key_full_reset.png |
| 20:20:42 | mark | kendrick2: you know any decent freelance artists? |
| 20:20:52 | Bongo | i cant find it :s |
| 20:20:58 | BigBoss | mark: I have excellent artist, you can sub contract them |
| 20:20:59 | kendrick2 | mark - not offhand |
| 20:21:02 | kendrick2 | i wish - since i do so many games :) |
| 20:21:05 | treke | zecke: Well I think I figured out what was at fault :) |
| 20:21:07 | kendrick2 | hey bboss! |
| 20:21:17 | kendrick2 | since i do open source stuff, i need to find free art :) |
| 20:21:23 | treke | zecke: Somehow my opie source tree is massivly out of date |
| 20:21:37 | kendrick2 | the only real time i did that was in Gem Drop (someone replaced my crappy drawings with nice 3D rendered stuff) and Circus Linux! (background art) |
| 20:21:40 | BigBoss | hey kendrick2: how you been? |
| 20:21:49 | zecke | treke: from yesterday? |
| 20:21:57 | Bongo | kendrick2 |
| 20:22:06 | Bongo | i cant find anything in teh faq about resseting |
| 20:22:08 | kendrick2 | alright... liver biopsy came back less scary than feared (ie, probably fatty liver and NOT an autoimmune disease!) |
| 20:22:14 | kendrick2 | and i'm getting married next wed :) |
| 20:22:24 | kendrick2 | bongo - well, that's not exactly a F A'd Q |
| 20:22:25 | BigBoss | NOOOO |
| 20:22:28 | Bongo | ah |
| 20:22:29 | kendrick2 | since it's in the manual and all :) |
| 20:22:35 | kendrick2 | bb - heh |
| 20:22:38 | Bongo | its hidden underneath the batter |
| 20:22:40 | Bongo | the words |
| 20:22:50 | kendrick2 | yeah - but you shoulda seen them when you put the battery in :) |
| 20:22:52 | kendrick2 | and it's in the docs :) |
| 20:22:54 | treke | zecke: Weird thing is I just ran cvs up. I've been having to add the orecurrance stuff to libopie pro files to get it to build. Might need to do a fresh checkout |
| 20:23:00 | kendrick2 | i mean, i suppose i could add it |
| 20:23:05 | BigBoss | kendrick2: good luck |
| 20:23:10 | kendrick2 | (not that i've had ANY time/inclination to do FAQ updates :^( ) |
| 20:23:19 | kendrick2 | (too busy with Tux Paint & wedding plans & fulltime crappy job) |
| 20:23:21 | chouimat | BigBoss: ? |
| 20:23:23 | kendrick2 | thx bb |
| 20:23:26 | zecke | treke: no no that's my fault... |
| 20:23:30 | BigBoss | chouimat:??? |
| 20:23:36 | treke | zecke: ah :) |
| 20:23:39 | chouimat | BigBoss: why the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 20:23:41 | zecke | treke: I'Ve a slightly different libopie.pro |
| 20:23:48 | Bongo | looks for a ful reset on his pc |
| 20:23:50 | BigBoss | kendrick2 is getting married |
| 20:23:58 | Bongo | whys the battery lite flashing at me |
| 20:24:01 | chouimat | BigBoss: ahh |
| 20:24:02 | treke | well I think I've got the last of them licked |
| 20:24:03 | BigBoss | that's going to be a shock to the bay area bars :) |
| 20:24:16 | chouimat | kendrick2: good luck |
| 20:24:52 | kendrick2 | bay area bars? |
| 20:24:54 | kendrick2 | feh |
| 20:25:17 | kendrick2 | when you back up this way? |
| 20:25:18 | chouimat | doesn't understand that ref |
| 20:25:21 | kendrick2 | you need to come talk at LUGOD, biotch |
| 20:25:35 | kendrick2 | chouimat - i think bigboss things i'm a bar hopper or something...? |
| 20:25:43 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 9 days, 23 hours, 8 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: i want to go home [Fri Oct 11 15:16:52 2002] |
| 20:25:43 | Harlekin | ibot: seen sniper |
| 20:25:44 | BigBoss | kendrick2: I was supposed to go up there and audition for this band Enchant, but it's gotten delayed |
| 20:25:47 | | sniper1 was last seen on #zaurus 10 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: bb: do you have any issues with tkcrekall? [Fri Oct 11 08:39:08 2002] |
| 20:25:47 | Harlekin | ibot: seen sniper1 |
| 20:26:28 | kendrick2 | grooves to drum & bass mixes |
| 20:26:31 | zecke | treke: could you test the libopie.pro I'm about to commit? |
| 20:26:37 | treke | zecke: syre |
| 20:26:47 | chouimat | is trying to figure out why the remote ssh server don't like his key |
| 20:27:18 | kendrick2 | 's been running xroach the last few days |
| 20:27:38 | MarkMorga | hello can someone please help me out with Frodo (c64 emiul) on zaurus |
| 20:27:50 | MarkMorga | I have it running but cannot get the joystick to work |
| 20:27:54 | MarkMorga | and do not know the keys... |
| 20:28:06 | kendrick2 | wants someone to finish the SDL Atari 800 port to Zaurus :^( |
| 20:28:38 | MarkMorga | anyone run the 64 emulator port on the zaurus??? |
| 20:28:44 | MarkMorga | kendrick ? |
| 20:28:51 | kendrick2 | no |
| 20:28:56 | kendrick2 | does it use X? |
| 20:29:03 | kendrick2 | i've seen a bunch of recent emulators on ZSI that all use X, not Qtopia |
| 20:29:11 | kendrick2 | i never got into C=64 much |
| 20:29:15 | MarkMorga | hmm |
| 20:29:16 | MarkMorga | heh |
| 20:29:20 | MarkMorga | c64 rules mate |
| 20:29:23 | kendrick2 | i'm an Atari XL kinda guy :) (who really wants an Amiga 1000 or 500 :) ) |
| 20:29:29 | kendrick2 | oh, yeah, i know... my brother had one |
| 20:29:43 | kendrick2 | but i used the atari as my main computer from the age of 7 until the age of 18 or so |
| 20:29:44 | zecke | treke: please test if it builds now ;) |
| 20:29:47 | treke | k |
| 20:29:51 | MarkMorga | ah i see |
| 20:30:05 | kendrick2 | i also really like the Atari OS & DOS & BASIC a lot more than C=64... you could do much more w/o resorting to POKE's ;) |
| 20:30:16 | kendrick2 | (probably why i never ended up learning 6502 asm) |
| 20:30:18 | BigBoss | kendrick2: I have my Atari Mega 4 sitting here |
| 20:30:27 | BigBoss | I used to have one of the 68030 TT computers as well |
| 20:30:29 | kendrick2 | someone found a 1040STf at my work's new office |
| 20:30:32 | kendrick2 | so they threw it at me |
| 20:30:52 | kendrick2 | it's still in my cube, since noone noticed a monitor, and since i have very little use for an ST, esp. one i can't use... |
| 20:30:54 | Bongo | thanks guys :p |
| 20:31:15 | kendrick2 | Bongo - what's wrong? |
| 20:31:21 | Bongo | fixed :p |
| 20:31:33 | kendrick2 | so nothing's wrong? |
| 20:32:41 | Bongo | need hard reset |
| 20:32:45 | Bongo | needed |
| 20:33:20 | kendrick2 | needed hard reset, but not full reset |
| 20:33:32 | kendrick2 | not sure why |
| 20:33:45 | kendrick2 | terminal never came up, and no way to remotely access it here at work |
| 20:34:01 | kendrick2 | i need a new PC so i can upgrade to KDE3, Linux Kernel 2.4, etc. :^/ |
| 20:34:16 | Bongo | <--- athlon 2000+ |
| 20:34:22 | Bongo | worth time and money tho |
| 20:34:35 | Bongo | especcialy jumpin from a 350mhz to a 1.6 gig |
| 20:34:47 | kendrick2 | GenuineIntel, Pentium III (Katmai), 498.475118 |
| 20:35:00 | kendrick2 | Box at home is a Celeron 300 overclocked to 450Mhz |
| 20:35:05 | kendrick2 | works great for what i do ... code |
| 20:35:09 | Bongo | :-o |
| 20:35:21 | kendrick2 | my previous box was a P133 |
| 20:35:23 | Bongo | wants a zalman flower |
| 20:35:30 | kendrick2 | and before that it was a IBM PS/2 (8086 4MHz, 640K RAM) |
| 20:35:36 | Bongo | lawl |
| 20:37:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ? |
| 20:37:55 | MarkMorga | im looking for a cheap sun blade |
| 20:38:01 | treke | zecke: you spelled orecurrancebase.ui in the pro |
| 20:39:16 | mark | is away: afk |
| 20:40:45 | kendrick2 | wanders |
| 20:41:58 | kendrick2 | cya! |
| 20:45:35 | zecke | treke: update please |
| 20:48:52 | benmeyer | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 |
| 20:48:58 | benmeyer | $47 802 card |
| 20:50:29 | wParam | aah, but that's with a mail in rebate |
| 20:50:33 | wParam | main in rebates are evil |
| 20:51:03 | benmeyer | sweet, I got my laptop monitor to shut off, but keep playing music |
| 20:51:18 | benmeyer | eh, just have to actually _send_ them in |
| 20:51:28 | wParam | you forget to send them, they 'forget' to send you your check, and by the time 8-10 weeks have gone by i've forgotten to bother them about it |
| 20:51:48 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: was that netsetup issue resolved? |
| 20:52:03 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: automatically is spelt wrong on the dhcp tab |
| 20:52:04 | benmeyer | Only 2% of all mail in rebates are sent in |
| 20:52:08 | benmeyer | Crazy no |
| 20:52:11 | benmeyer | no clue |
| 20:52:14 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:52:19 | benmeyer | how do you spell it? |
| 20:52:21 | wParam | i'd believe it |
| 20:52:29 | benmeyer | Addded Spell Check to my gallery app |
| 20:52:30 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:52:33 | wParam | i'm part of the 98% usually. that's why I hate them so much |
| 20:52:40 | benmeyer | ah |
| 20:52:45 | TheMasterMind1 | automatically |
| 20:52:53 | TheMasterMind1 | not autmatcly or whatever is now :) |
| 20:53:00 | wParam | even when i do send them in (cough palm cough) they don't get back to me |
| 20:53:01 | benmeyer | see I simply say that I am not allowed to open it until the form etc is filled out and in the mailbox |
| 20:53:19 | benmeyer | well sitting there to be sealed waiting for the confermation that it works |
| 20:53:27 | benmeyer | see then you bitch |
| 20:53:33 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:53:52 | wParam | so I don't consider the rebate at all. I make sure i'm prepared to pay the nno-rebate price |
| 20:53:59 | | okay, TheMasterMind1. |
| 20:53:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi is also http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 20:54:03 | | i guess wifi is see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 20:54:03 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 20:54:25 | benmeyer | socket |
| 20:54:28 | benmeyer | pay more now |
| 20:54:33 | benmeyer | get more battery later |
| 20:54:39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:54:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i got a socket |
| 20:54:44 | TheMasterMind1 | the range is pretty sad |
| 20:54:47 | TheMasterMind1 | no good for war walking |
| 20:54:56 | TheMasterMind1 | but the battery life is awesome |
| 20:55:39 | benmeyer | kinda like getting a lcd |
| 20:55:54 | benmeyer | over a year it pays for itself in electricity cost |
| 20:56:03 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: so what happen to that netsetup segfault issue |
| 20:56:15 | benmeyer | I went to a meeting |
| 20:56:20 | benmeyer | and it didn't happen |
| 20:56:20 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:56:23 | benmeyer | workign on it now |
| 20:56:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ok cool |
| 20:57:52 | Harlekin | benmeyer: and please dont forget to equip it with whatsthis:: |
| 20:58:08 | benmeyer | whats this? |
| 20:58:10 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:58:11 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:58:15 | benmeyer | yes |
| 20:58:22 | benmeyer | wait |
| 20:58:27 | benmeyer | are they even supported? |
| 20:58:31 | Harlekin | yure |
| 20:58:32 | Harlekin | sure |
| 20:58:37 | benmeyer | how? |
| 20:58:39 | Harlekin | longpress on (?) |
| 20:58:42 | Harlekin | in opie apps |
| 20:58:47 | mark | benmeyer: a lcd pays foritself in electricity cost? i can persuade my dad to buy me one then :) |
| 20:58:49 | Harlekin | then click a widget you want the tooltip for |
| 20:59:02 | benmeyer | mark: depends, but they can use 1/2 of the electricity |
| 20:59:05 | benmeyer | of a crt |
| 20:59:09 | benmeyer | do research |
| 21:01:47 | kergoth | what a lame meeting |
| 21:02:00 | kergoth | CEO does a bit of asskissing so the support people dont quit |
| 21:02:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:03:21 | benmeyer | Ok update networksetup |
| 21:03:30 | benmeyer | I don't get a segfault any more |
| 21:03:36 | kergoth | k, ill test it out |
| 21:03:40 | kergoth | what was the issue? |
| 21:03:53 | benmeyer | Memory allocation |
| 21:04:00 | benmeyer | didn't delete Interfaces |
| 21:04:03 | benmeyer | on exist |
| 21:04:26 | kergoth | benmeyer: ahh |
| 21:04:30 | kergoth | fun |
| 21:04:53 | benmeyer | got a ppp person yet? |
| 21:05:15 | kergoth | naw, still dont have one. we may have to run with this on our own |
| 21:05:22 | benmeyer | eh... |
| 21:05:37 | kergoth | hey mickey |
| 21:06:16 | mickeyl | hi kergoth! |
| 21:06:22 | mickeyl | hi rest. |
| 21:06:56 | Twiun | JasonNJ: ping |
| 21:08:24 | Twiun | anyone have any suggestions as to what I could use to make graphics under linux? I love Gimp and everything, but it's really lacking in the geometry/vector department... |
| 21:09:21 | BigBoss | Sketch |
| 21:09:32 | BigBoss | really great vector drawing app |
| 21:09:37 | BigBoss | written in Python of all things |
| 21:10:23 | treke | has gotten the impression that BigBoss likes python |
| 21:10:35 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 21:10:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:10:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i need more stuff for this ChangeLog |
| 21:11:01 | Harlekin | time the c# bindings get ready |
| 21:11:03 | Twiun | I'll give it a look... btw BB, your QuantaGold static demo is still vapor ;-) |
| 21:11:38 | BigBoss | Twiun: busy getting some other things done at the momen unforutantely |
| 21:11:45 | BigBoss | sketch.sf.net I believe will get you to it |
| 21:12:43 | Twiun | BigBoss: Okies, I'll stop pestering ya |
| 21:13:52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what's this 2.4.19 stuff.. and why does it depend on rasmes-base? what is that |
| 21:14:01 | BigBoss | Twiun: there have been a number of fixes and updates lately, notably getting word wrap to work, we are testing that now |
| 21:14:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: industrial pda |
| 21:14:33 | Twiun | Ahhh |
| 21:14:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: eh? |
| 21:15:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: if this netsetup is fixed, we can release? |
| 21:19:07 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 21:19:18 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 21:20:15 | Bongo | is listening to Coldplay Yellow |
| 21:22:21 | Bongo | hey kendrick2 where u from |
| 21:22:23 | kendrick2 | coworker has a d-link "Air" DCF-650W |
| 21:22:27 | kendrick2 | davis, ca |
| 21:22:31 | Bongo | :-o |
| 21:22:31 | kendrick2 | would that work well with a zaurus? |
| 21:22:40 | kendrick2 | (shit, i guess i could always go check FAQs & such :^) ) |
| 21:22:52 | Bongo | what is it? |
| 21:22:57 | Bongo | dlink make hubs? |
| 21:23:05 | kendrick2 | 2.4GHz Wireless Compact Flash "for PDAs" |
| 21:23:11 | kendrick2 | yes, dlink makes hubs |
| 21:23:14 | kendrick2 | i have one... works very well |
| 21:23:27 | Bongo | the only way is too try |
| 21:24:26 | | wifi is probably see wireless or get either a wcf12 linksys for $62 shipped from buy.com (nice small card, well supported, but not too great on battery) or the socket low power wlan for 160 something plus shipping also on buy.com (great battery usage, needs special drivers) or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 |
| 21:24:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 21:25:05 | Bovine | SMC 2642W works great for me |
| 21:25:19 | Bovine | get around 2 hours with Kismet |
| 21:25:27 | kendrick2 | ths mm1 |
| 21:25:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, i will confirm its fixed and release. update the ChangeLog! we need to note all the improvements |
| 21:26:02 | kendrick2 | so looks like it works |
| 21:26:05 | badalex | TheMasterMind1: so the wifi card that it links to http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321502&loc=101 for $44 dosent do to well on battery |
| 21:26:05 | kendrick2 | hmm... $70 bucks |
| 21:27:59 | Bovine | I've got a Mitac LBC03 for sale |
| 21:28:08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i added a shitload of stuff to ChangeLog |
| 21:28:18 | Bovine | it's useful as er, a flat useless thing |
| 21:28:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good good. dont any every little nitpicky thing, but all the good stuff |
| 21:28:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yep |
| 21:28:45 | TheMasterMind1 | stuff that will get people excited and get them to switch :) |
| 21:28:54 | kergoth | yeh |
| 21:28:56 | TheMasterMind1 | TKC applications have now been confirmed to work properly on OpenZaurus |
| 21:28:57 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 21:28:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:29:02 | WingLover | Bah, just got layoff notice. |
| 21:29:05 | TheMasterMind1 | for all the people who still believe they don't work |
| 21:29:07 | kergoth | WingLover: ack, that sucks man |
| 21:29:09 | Bovine | :/ |
| 21:29:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good. hmm |
| 21:29:14 | Bovine | where did you work? |
| 21:29:15 | kendrick2 | the netgear sounds WAY better |
| 21:29:17 | kendrick2 | ok thx |
| 21:29:23 | TheMasterMind1 | kendrick2: :) |
| 21:29:35 | badalex | whats that one site that compares wifi cards? |
| 21:29:45 | | Bovine: i'm not following you... |
| 21:29:45 | Bovine | ibot wifi comparison |
| 21:29:46 | WingLover | Kergoth: Yeah, well, we found out last week that the company was closing in 5 weeks, but still it is hard to see it written donw in black and white on paper. |
| 21:29:48 | Bovine | hmm |
| 21:29:55 | WingLover | In such an impersonal letter. |
| 21:30:11 | WingLover | Bovine: I worked for Simvest Sorp. We ran stock market simulations |
| 21:30:29 | Bovine | oh, I can see why they would be having difficulties then :/ |
| 21:30:31 | kergoth | WingLover: shit |
| 21:31:59 | WingLover | Of course, nobody seems to be hiring in this city at all., |
| 21:32:07 | kergoth | WingLover: same issue here |
| 21:32:08 | WingLover | I sent out resumes all last week and not one single bite. |
| 21:42:57 | Twiun | BigBoss: hrmm... Sketch is good... but I had something more like paintshop pro/photoshop... I'm going to make some webpage graphics so I still need the pixel manipulation stuff... any other ideas? |
| 21:43:15 | Twiun | I has * in mind... gah, it's getting late ;-) |
| 21:45:18 | scanline | tkcGimp |
| 21:45:35 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 21:46:09 | Bongo | dads turnin comp off :( |
| 21:46:32 | BigBoss | well you said vector :) |
| 21:46:57 | BigBoss | I don't really have any other suggestions |
| 21:47:15 | Twiun | hehe, i realised as soon as I opened up sketch ;-) |
| 21:48:01 | Twiun | I could always use tux paint I suppose... shame there's no guide lines... |
| 21:50:29 | BigBoss | well there's MosfetPaint if he ever finishes it, but he probably won't |
| 21:50:56 | Twiun | ah yes, the guy who made the liquid theme? |
| 21:51:38 | BigBoss | yea, which also isn't finished |
| 21:51:46 | BigBoss | he worked for me briefly several years ago |
| 21:52:00 | BigBoss | bright kid, but never finishes anything and has a propensity for foot stomping tantrums |
| 21:52:37 | chouimat | BigBoss: a good description :) |
| 21:52:57 | Twiun | lol |
| 21:53:17 | BigBoss | it's too bad he alienated anyone that would have hired him |
| 21:54:04 | chouimat | BigBoss: I like when he got pissed and he do ''rm -rf /'' on his server :) |
| 21:54:50 | BigBoss | yea, that was pretty much par for the course with him |
| 21:55:23 | BigBoss | he came back to me asking for a job again about a year ago, and I very gently explained my concerns about his ability to work in a team and finish tasks given to him and he flipped out |
| 21:55:32 | chouimat | and God know how often he got pissed |
| 21:55:52 | BigBoss | and he has yet to finish any of the things he was pitching to me as "almost complete" back then |
| 21:56:06 | noda | Harlekin: Hallo :) |
| 21:56:33 | chouimat | BigBoss: give his resume to Microsoft :) |
| 21:56:34 | Harlekin | hi noda |
| 21:57:16 | noda | Harlekin: op2 crashes for me about half the time when it's done an ogg, or when it's switching to the next one, or something. |
| 21:57:30 | Twiun | anyone ever chatted to Jim Pick from Kaffe.org? (Jason excepted ;) |
| 21:57:35 | Harlekin | noda: yeah, i know, xine is very in flux right now |
| 21:57:45 | chouimat | Twiun: I think his a myth |
| 21:57:46 | Harlekin | noda: i wait until it settels down a bit |
| 21:58:41 | Twiun | chouimat: I'm starting to think so too... he answers list emails, but not personal ones - as far as I can tell |
| 21:58:51 | noda | Harlekin: Okay. It only happens when you actually wait for the file to close - if you click on the "next" button it never crashes. |
| 21:59:36 | Harlekin | noda: yeah |
| 21:59:40 | BigBoss | this ZUC program is cute, but it needs a pop up number keypad |
| 22:00:00 | chouimat | BigBoss: I quite like qplot |
| 22:04:31 | Twiun | right... bed for me, g'night folks |
| 22:04:37 | badalex | night |
| 22:10:36 | treke | scanline: picogui is really rather nice looking |
| 22:10:43 | scanline | thanks |
| 22:11:19 | scanline | It's nice under the hood too :) |
| 22:17:37 | kergoth | *ahem* |
| 22:17:40 | kergoth | everyone |
| 22:17:44 | kergoth | Openzaurus is about to release |
| 22:17:46 | BigBoss | yes? |
| 22:17:47 | kergoth | after months |
| 22:17:53 | kergoth | and we need volunteers to update our docs :0 |
| 22:17:56 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:18:10 | kergoth | Need a new clear install guide, and I'm not good at such things |
| 22:18:14 | BigBoss | congratulations |
| 22:18:29 | kergoth | anyone around? volunteers? |
| 22:18:31 | kergoth | anyone? anyone? |
| 22:18:40 | kergoth | </ferris beueller's day off> |
| 22:18:42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:19:36 | kergoth | wake up peopjle |
| 22:25:59 | ljp_work | huh? whhaa?! |
| 22:26:21 | fusion94 | kergoth: the install guide should be nothing more than either "RFTM" or "Join #Zaurus on OPN and /msg JasonNJ with your questions" |
| 22:28:02 | kergoth | fusion94: aha, i like that! |
| 22:53:12 | Zaurus | anybod no if therez anyway 2 print thru network with Zaurus? |
| 22:54:38 | noda | Zaurus: Just ssh to another computer and do it from there, saves lots of hassle ;) |
| 22:55:38 | Zaurus | ok. but is it possible? |
| 22:57:39 | noda | Zaurus: Not with tools I know of, but if you were great at cross-compiling I'm sure you could manage it :) |
| 22:58:07 | Zaurus | 10x |
| 22:58:34 | treke | anything is possible |
| 22:58:57 | Bones3D | the real problem is that there aren't currently any zaurus apps that support printing from them |
| 23:09:05 | tux_mike | kergoth: ping |
| 23:09:19 | kergoth | tux_mike: pong |
| 23:09:39 | tux_mike | kergoth: are you almost finished with the new OZ, or what? :) |
| 23:09:47 | kergoth | tux_mike: join #openzaurus and look around |
| 23:09:56 | kergoth | tux_mike: hectic convos about the release we're pushing for tonigth |
| 23:09:57 | kergoth | tonight |
| 23:10:45 | tux_mike | no time for a conv; i just want to know :) i'm about 5 mins from running off to school |
| 23:12:11 | mark | is trying to compile kde1 and failing |
| 23:12:49 | tux_mike | kde 1??!!?? |
| 23:13:20 | mark | tux_mike: yeah :) |
| 23:13:44 | tux_mike | but... why?! |
| 23:14:07 | mark | tux_mike: try out a kde1 app. modern autoconf isn't liking it though :( |
| 23:14:36 | tux_mike | well, gots to dash |
| 23:14:40 | tux_mike | overthrowing to do. |
| 23:42:22 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
