| 00:00:56 | nasa | ljp: Word. I just installed the very latest and greatest (codes 4.0 and lates player) and when I run it I got an error about /usr/share/xine/xine_logo.mpv, which doesn't exist |
| 00:01:25 | nasa | specifically, the error was 'cannot find input plugin for this mrl !0' |
| 00:01:44 | ljp | ya igonre that, thats just the fedault xine thingy |
| 00:02:11 | ljp | I mean default heh |
| 00:02:13 | nasa | so that won't cause the player to stop responding... |
| 00:02:23 | ljp | nope |
| 00:02:39 | nasa | Well, the app has stopped responding... |
| 00:02:48 | ljp | heh .. hmm |
| 00:02:53 | Harlekin | nasa: thers a new beta soon |
| 00:03:00 | Harlekin | which has then a popup in that case |
| 00:03:54 | nasa | Harlekin: this does have the pop up. It ask me if I want to kill the process. Which I say, yes. But that doesn't work -- the opieplayer2 process is 'D' |
| 00:04:03 | Harlekin | = |
| 00:04:05 | Harlekin | ? |
| 00:04:07 | nasa | And saying yes only cause qpe to go 'D' |
| 00:04:15 | Harlekin | which version is that? |
| 00:04:19 | Harlekin | where from |
| 00:04:25 | Harlekin | and the kill process is more launcher |
| 00:04:30 | Harlekin | not op2 |
| 00:04:31 | nasa | The very latest |
| 00:04:50 | Harlekin | where fro |
| 00:04:51 | Harlekin | m |
| 00:05:12 | nasa | from your website (noda gave me link_ |
| 00:05:15 | nasa | from your website (noda gave me link) |
| 00:05:23 | Harlekin | which website? |
| 00:05:24 | nasa | opie-mediaplayer-codecs_0.4_arm.ipk |
| 00:05:27 | Harlekin | aha |
| 00:05:29 | Harlekin | hhmm |
| 00:05:32 | nasa | opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20021011_arm.ipk |
| 00:05:36 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 00:05:37 | Harlekin | strange |
| 00:05:47 | ljp | what version of opie? |
| 00:05:59 | Harlekin | about /usr/share/xine/xine_logo.mpv, which doesn' <- that does not matter |
| 00:06:04 | nasa | ljp: I am using the prerelease oz |
| 00:06:22 | Harlekin | which Z |
| 00:06:32 | nasa | 5000d |
| 00:06:42 | Harlekin | hmm, maybe out or ram |
| 00:07:06 | nasa | Don't think so, I am using the -32 rom |
| 00:07:44 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 00:07:53 | Harlekin | it allways freezes? |
| 00:08:15 | ljp | I've seen that occasionally on the x86 too |
| 00:08:19 | nasa | I just updated to the latest version, the previous ones always froze. |
| 00:08:35 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 00:08:43 | Harlekin | will think about it tomorrow |
| 00:08:44 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 00:08:48 | ljp | but I could never figure it out since it was so random |
| 00:08:49 | Harlekin | need sleep |
| 00:10:31 | noda | Harlekin,nasa: I gave a link to *my* website :) |
| 00:10:37 | Harlekin | noda: ah |
| 00:10:46 | Harlekin | and you mirror it there? |
| 00:10:55 | noda | Nah, but just wanted to give something else to try. |
| 00:10:57 | nasa | opps, sorry (I should have figured that) |
| 00:11:12 | Harlekin | ? |
| 00:11:22 | noda | Figured it mighta been fixed, didn't want to have nasa eat up your bandwidth. |
| 00:11:30 | noda | So I told him to try the new version I'd just grabbed. |
| 00:11:31 | Harlekin | noda: yeah, that was my fear |
| 00:11:32 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 00:11:42 | Harlekin | that you pointed to me in some doc |
| 00:11:49 | noda | Harlekin: Nope :) |
| 00:11:50 | Harlekin | small bandwith here |
| 00:11:51 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 00:11:59 | noda | Here too :) |
| 00:12:14 | Harlekin | less here i guess |
| 00:12:29 | Coup-Laptop | 56k modem here, my bandwidth r0x0rs ;) |
| 00:12:38 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 00:12:40 | noda | lol |
| 00:12:49 | Harlekin | ok |
| 00:12:54 | Harlekin | n8 guys |
| 00:12:59 | noda | 'night! Thanks :) |
| 00:13:04 | nasa | night |
| 00:15:38 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 03:12:07) |
| 00:31:00 | Neo|Work | raster: yo |
| 00:31:38 | raster | Neo|Work: 'moonin! |
| 00:32:40 | Neo|Work | done anything fun on the Z yet? |
| 00:34:49 | raster | hmmm |
| 00:34:59 | raster | well evas is ported |
| 00:35:16 | raster | i was goign to write a japanese<->english translator |
| 00:35:19 | raster | in romanji |
| 00:35:26 | raster | in just plain qt |
| 00:35:33 | raster | but qt's packing/layout rules blow |
| 00:35:52 | badl | raster: you mean like a kanji translator? |
| 00:36:11 | raster | well actualyl i'd want romanji to start |
| 00:36:24 | raster | kanji/katakana/hiragana would be added features later |
| 00:36:29 | raster | tho a bitch to do on a us zaurus model |
| 00:36:29 | raster | :) |
| 00:36:30 | badl | ? whats that |
| 00:36:51 | raster | i might just do it all in evas instead since it supoprts all of that stuff - well display-wise anyway. |
| 00:36:56 | badl | whats romanji |
| 00:37:00 | raster | badl: you dont speak japanese do you? |
| 00:37:08 | badl | thats right |
| 00:37:39 | raster | aha |
| 00:37:47 | raster | well japanese has 4 alphabets it uses |
| 00:37:50 | raster | kanji |
| 00:37:53 | raster | hiragana |
| 00:37:55 | raster | katakana |
| 00:37:58 | raster | and romanji |
| 00:38:07 | raster | romanji is roman alphabet (ie a-z) |
| 00:38:09 | badl | i have heard of the other 3 |
| 00:38:22 | raster | katakana is used for foreign words introduced into japanese |
| 00:38:33 | Neo|Work | raster: I think qt does a decent job layouting |
| 00:38:39 | raster | hiragana is like katakana in that it is also phonetic, but its for native japanese words. |
| 00:38:41 | Neo|Work | I think it's a not all-too-bad GUI really |
| 00:39:03 | raster | kanji is chinese symbols than can be used instead where a symbol can be a word, sound or idea. |
| 00:39:06 | badl | hmmmmm |
| 00:39:18 | badl | ic |
| 00:39:31 | raster | Neo|Work: well i played with qt designer - and man.. i cant get the right widgets to expand and the rest ot not etc. |
| 00:39:48 | raster | Neo|Work: not to mention the code uic produces doesnt actually compile... |
| 00:48:52 | Neo|Work | qt designer is on the other hand frustrating at times.. |
| 00:49:01 | Neo|Work | I never had any issues with non-compiling code though |
| 01:00:50 | raster | hmmm |
| 01:00:56 | raster | i have to say i much prefer glade |
| 01:01:04 | raster | it can produce wads of ui code for ya |
| 01:01:05 | raster | fatsand eays |
| 01:01:11 | raster | and it does everythng you want (pretty much) |
| 01:03:51 | ljp | does it work with Qt? |
| 01:05:31 | noda | raster: Hey, does glade work with gtk2? I've tried out glade3 from CVS and am utterly confused as to what it accomplishes. |
| 01:05:46 | raster | dont know |
| 01:05:50 | raster | i havent touched gtk2 |
| 01:05:56 | raster | ljp: nop. glade is gtk |
| 01:06:07 | noda | I'm interested in gnome2 development... bonobo looks nice. Haven't tried any though. |
| 01:06:17 | raster | pukes |
| 01:06:22 | raster | damn |
| 01:06:32 | noda | What? |
| 01:06:35 | raster | i dont weant to know abotu that corba stuff |
| 01:06:41 | raster | i've seen to omuch of tis pain in my time |
| 01:06:43 | noda | It's the future! Same in KDE with kparts. |
| 01:06:53 | raster | errr yeah |
| 01:06:59 | raster | anyoen ever heard of dlopen()? |
| 01:07:04 | raster | shared libraries? |
| 01:07:10 | raster | apparrently not |
| 01:07:23 | noda | Bah. Much easier to develop with components :) |
| 01:07:36 | raster | andimmensely more bloated |
| 01:07:37 | mehuman | where is a place to get openzaurus feeds? |
| 01:07:42 | raster | for no good reason |
| 01:07:44 | noda | Bloat is the future! |
| 01:07:52 | | rumour has it oz feed is http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 01:07:52 | noda | ibot oz feed |
| 01:07:55 | raster | tell that to the peolpe with z's or ipaqs |
| 01:07:56 | raster | :) |
| 01:08:03 | noda | raster: Heh. |
| 01:08:05 | mehuman | thnx |
| 01:08:11 | raster | now |
| 01:08:22 | noda | mehuman: If you try to upgrade via the feed you'll break your OpenZaurus though :) |
| 01:08:24 | raster | back to rewritign kerneldoc in C cause of thsi damn GPL license shit. |
| 01:08:27 | mehuman | i know |
| 01:08:43 | mehuman | i got my wireless working but the feeds don't want to update |
| 01:08:45 | noda | What license shit? :) |
| 01:08:53 | mehuman | i can ping out to external sources though |
| 01:09:01 | noda | mehuman: *nod* Just stay away from upgrading oz-base (and kernel-modules, and a few others) |
| 01:09:10 | mehuman | ok |
| 01:09:34 | noda | mehuman: To be on the safe side, don't upgrade anything :P. There'll be a new image coming out any day now that'll have everything updated. |
| 01:09:45 | raster | noda: kernel-doc in he kernel src is gpl. i use it for doccing bsd code and thus have to ship it. |
| 01:10:05 | raster | so i'm forced due to infectious licensing to rewrite it |
| 01:10:06 | mehuman | noda: ok thanks |
| 01:10:06 | raster | :) |
| 01:10:08 | raster | oh well |
| 01:10:14 | noda | raster: Heh, don't like gpl? :) |
| 01:10:16 | raster | i hate writing parsing code... |
| 01:10:19 | raster | nup |
| 01:10:23 | raster | i hate infectious licenses |
| 01:10:26 | noda | Shoulda thought of that before using it maybe? :P |
| 01:10:34 | raster | well i didnt |
| 01:10:41 | raster | someoen else who worked on the code in cvs did |
| 01:10:47 | raster | i just spotted this like 10 minutes ago |
| 01:10:50 | noda | I like GPL. Yeah, it's infectious, but it's needed in this crazy world :) |
| 01:11:41 | raster | i dont believ4e that |
| 01:11:55 | raster | i honestly dont care what happens to my code once i release it |
| 01:12:05 | raster | i'm happy for peole to take it compile ti, sell it |
| 01:12:11 | raster | the only thgn i ask is they tell me they are using it |
| 01:12:14 | raster | thats all |
| 01:12:20 | raster | i'd just like to know its useful to someone |
| 01:12:23 | raster | other than me |
| 01:12:24 | raster | :) |
| 01:12:56 | noda | raster: I'd be offended if my code were stolen and sold by someone else without their even consulting me. |
| 01:14:21 | raster | thus why i have a "please tell me" clause in my licenses |
| 01:14:22 | raster | :) |
| 01:34:52 | treke|home | noda: not stolen if you passed it out :) |
| 01:36:25 | noda | treke|home: Heh |
| 01:42:55 | kergoth | hey |
| 01:53:17 | | bigboss was last seen on #opie 4 hours, 50 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: c-ya [Mon Oct 14 15:02:31 2002] |
| 01:53:17 | erikd | ibot seen bigboss |
| 01:53:21 | erikd | bleh |
| 01:53:26 | erikd | i -always- miss him |
| 01:53:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:54:35 | kergoth | hey roge99 \ |
| 01:54:41 | roge99 | hey |
| 01:54:43 | roge99 | how goes it |
| 01:55:03 | kergoth | not bad, long ass day, takin it easy, havin a drink |
| 01:55:04 | kergoth | you? |
| 01:55:21 | roge99 | just catchen up on my todo list ... |
| 01:55:32 | roge99 | but ... |
| 01:55:39 | roge99 | a drink sounds good ... |
| 01:55:48 | roge99 | :-) |
| 02:14:47 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 02:33:54 | midnight | is there a text based irc server for the zaurus |
| 02:34:03 | midnight | ? |
| 02:36:08 | midnight | heh |
| 02:36:11 | midnight | not server ... client |
| 03:36:55 | stevnblinhome | I just purchased a SL5500 and am using it to sync with qtopia desktop on linux. Having a severe problem with missing data once I sync. Anybody able to help? |
| 03:37:25 | oGMo | missing data? |
| 03:37:35 | oGMo | where? |
| 03:37:48 | stevnblinhome | Yes. from both the pda and the desktop after a sync is completed. |
| 03:38:01 | stevnblinhome | I will explain in detail. |
| 03:38:16 | DaWorm | wow i'm impressed you got to sync with linux |
| 03:38:28 | DaWorm | i couldnt even get the thing to be recognized |
| 03:38:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:38:40 | stevnblinhome | I beam a category of contacts from my old palm viix to my 5500. They all come in as unfiled contacts. |
| 03:38:43 | kergoth | syncing in linux works great |
| 03:38:49 | kergoth | as long as you dont use qtopia desktop :) |
| 03:38:59 | oGMo | i haven't synced in awhile, but i don't recall it being that tough |
| 03:39:02 | stevnblinhome | kergoth: lol. HELP. |
| 03:39:13 | stevnblinhome | what do you use kergoth? |
| 03:39:44 | stevnblinhome | I then manually edit each of the contacts on the 5500 to assign them to a valid category. |
| 03:39:58 | kergoth | stevnblinhome: i use scp to copy the xml files around |
| 03:40:06 | stevnblinhome | Once I have them the way I want, I sync with the qtopia desktop. |
| 03:40:07 | kergoth | stevnblinhome: i do all my PIM stuff from the Z, so i dont 'sync' persay |
| 03:40:10 | DaWorm | kergoth: make an OZ client |
| 03:40:10 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:40:18 | kergoth | client for what? |
| 03:40:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:40:29 | kergoth | wait for kitchensync and kde will sync with opie easily and smoothly |
| 03:40:38 | stevnblinhome | Everything looks great at that point. I have all of my contacts for that category in both the pda and the desktop. |
| 03:40:41 | DaWorm | without the kernel patches? |
| 03:41:01 | stevnblinhome | I then beam a diff category from the palm to the pda and repeat the process of editing and then sync. |
| 03:41:06 | kergoth | DaWorm: kernel patches are independent of syncing, you can sync over wireless |
| 03:41:13 | kergoth | DaWorm: but yes, for *usb* syncing, you need the patches |
| 03:41:24 | stevnblinhome | after this sync, I am missing many of my contacts from diff categories on both the pda and the desktop. |
| 03:41:45 | stevnblinhome | at a loss of why contacts get blown away with simply syncing data. |
| 03:42:03 | kergoth | stevnblinhome: *ahem* <declaration> qtopia desktop sucks. </declaration> |
| 03:42:08 | stevnblinhome | lol. |
| 03:42:18 | stevnblinhome | now i find this out.:) |
| 03:42:30 | kergoth | well, you dont really *need* qtopia desktop |
| 03:42:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:42:33 | stevnblinhome | After the last two days of screwing with it, I could tell you that. |
| 03:42:40 | kergoth | if you already have a pim app on the desktop. you can use scripts to sync with it |
| 03:42:43 | kergoth | i.e. evolution |
| 03:42:45 | DaWorm | heh |
| 03:42:50 | stevnblinhome | I do have evolution. |
| 03:42:54 | kergoth | and if you dont, then just vnc to your Z to access your PIM data :) |
| 03:43:00 | kergoth | hugs fbvncserver |
| 03:43:02 | DaWorm | yeah a buddy of mine syncs his ipaq (familiar via evo) with a script |
| 03:43:11 | stevnblinhome | fbvncserver??? |
| 03:43:48 | kergoth | stevnblinhome: lets you vnc into your Z |
| 03:43:53 | stevnblinhome | ah. |
| 03:43:54 | kergoth | stevnblinhome: and control it form the desktop |
| 03:43:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:43:59 | kergoth | quite nifty, actually |
| 03:44:00 | stevnblinhome | I only have installed the vnc client on my Z. |
| 03:44:08 | stevnblinhome | I will try that. |
| 03:44:16 | | FB_VNC_Server 0.1.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=21 |
| 03:44:17 | | Keypebble_VNC_Viewer 0.9.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=186 |
| 03:44:18 | | Qtopia-x 0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=187 |
| 03:44:18 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for vnc |
| 03:44:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:44:22 | kergoth | top one |
| 03:44:27 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:44:33 | stevnblinhome | cool. thx. |
| 03:44:38 | kergoth | unless you're in OZ, in which case you want the one built for it |
| 03:44:55 | stevnblinhome | I have heard people talking of OZ> what is that? |
| 03:45:43 | | openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[dg] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 03:45:43 | kergoth | ibot openzaurus |
| 03:46:12 | kergoth | its another linux distro for the Z. it includes opie, which is a a code fork of qtopia, which is now far superior. |
| 03:46:30 | stevnblinhome | great. So much to learn...:) |
| 03:47:21 | kergoth | stevnblinhome: take a look at the screenshots on http://opie.info/ |
| 03:47:23 | kergoth | stevnblinhome: :) |
| 03:48:09 | stevnblinhome | WOW!!!!! |
| 03:48:48 | kergoth | opie rocks. |
| 03:48:51 | kergoth | it really does |
| 03:48:53 | br33zy | does it? |
| 03:48:57 | kergoth | yes. really. |
| 03:48:58 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:49:03 | br33zy | should i replace the zaurus rom after i get my zaurus? |
| 03:49:11 | kergoth | br33zy: i would say yes, but i'm baised :) |
| 03:49:11 | br33zy | or whatever is on there? |
| 03:49:15 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:49:19 | br33zy | whats so special about opie? |
| 03:49:28 | stevnblinhome | So, since my deutche is so rusty, is there a english version of the page? |
| 03:49:28 | br33zy | just out of curiousity, not that i know anything about it.. |
| 03:49:57 | kergoth | br33zy: it has a shitload of extra apps above and beyond qtopia, it has a shitload of new features, and its existing apps are much improved |
| 03:50:28 | br33zy | so it has a shitload of everything and the original sharp crap doesnt? |
| 03:50:46 | kergoth | well, the apps that both opie and qtopia have, opie has improved and tweaked |
| 03:51:01 | br33zy | cool |
| 03:51:05 | kergoth | and its launcher is better, it has more themes, adn it has numerous extra apps above and beyond |
| 03:51:12 | DaWorm | resistance is futile man |
| 03:51:27 | DaWorm | you will be assimilated |
| 03:51:37 | br33zy | its hard to talk and build a pic programmer at the same time- talk about resistance, i have like 5 layered on here |
| 03:51:38 | kergoth | muahahaha |
| 03:51:45 | br33zy | heh |
| 03:51:47 | br33zy | resistors.. |
| 03:51:49 | br33zy | diodes.. |
| 03:51:51 | br33zy | ics.. |
| 03:51:56 | br33zy | capacitors.. |
| 03:52:01 | br33zy | transitors... |
| 03:52:04 | br33zy | transistors* |
| 03:53:00 | br33zy | i have found the 4.7k resistors! |
| 03:53:22 | br33zy | damn, why do i have 1/2 watt and 1/4 a watt |
| 03:54:26 | badl | br33zy: are you at radio shack? ;) |
| 03:54:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:54:57 | br33zy | badl: i was |
| 03:55:36 | br33zy | all i need is a 330 ohm resistor on this board and im ready to solder! |
| 03:55:37 | br33zy | wahoo |
| 03:56:12 | br33zy | is it bad if i use 1/4 watt and 1/2 watt resistors? |
| 03:56:41 | br33zy | oh well |
| 03:57:43 | badl | no |
| 03:57:45 | badl | not bad |
| 03:57:58 | brontos | do you all have recommendations on where to go to setup a link between my zaurus and my redhat 7.3 machine? |
| 03:58:06 | | somebody said howto was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 03:58:06 | kergoth | ibot howto |
| 03:58:08 | kergoth | br33zy: go there |
| 03:58:17 | br33zy | why me? |
| 03:58:18 | br33zy | :-D |
| 03:59:11 | kergoth | er |
| 03:59:17 | kergoth | damn tab completion |
| 03:59:18 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:01:22 | badl | qahw sa nwonk won si tneilctset |
| 04:02:00 | kergoth | .derob kool uoy :ldab |
| 04:02:26 | badl | affirmative |
| 04:02:40 | badl | still waiting for download to complete |
| 04:02:47 | | bigboss was last seen on #opie 7 hours, 16 seconds ago, saying: c-ya [Mon Oct 14 15:02:31 2002] |
| 04:02:47 | bipolar | ibot seen bigboss |
| 04:02:49 | kergoth | im waiting for 2.5.42 to compile |
| 04:02:51 | kergoth | its takin a whlie |
| 04:02:52 | kergoth | while |
| 04:02:57 | bipolar | kergoth: hello |
| 04:03:01 | bipolar | kergoth: hows life? |
| 04:03:15 | kergoth | hey bipolar, not bad.. work sucks horribly, but beyond that good. |
| 04:03:21 | kergoth | you? hows marriage life? hows the woman? |
| 04:04:13 | bipolar | kergoth: The woman is doing great. Married life is even better then I expected. But I've got some kind of bug that's got me sick |
| 04:04:33 | kergoth | bipolar: ahh ack |
| 04:04:40 | kergoth | well heres hoping it goes away |
| 04:04:40 | badl | bipolar: morning sickness? |
| 04:04:43 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:04:57 | kergoth | if bipolar has morning sickness, he's been hiding something from us :) |
| 04:05:03 | bipolar | was hoping that bigboss was here so that I could bug him about kapital for debian. |
| 04:05:09 | badl | :) |
| 04:05:09 | bipolar | hehe.... |
| 04:05:22 | stevnblinhome | I there a way to install apps off the web directly onto the Z? |
| 04:05:36 | bipolar | the kapital debain package has not been updated in months. |
| 04:05:43 | | i think feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 04:05:43 | badl | ibot feed |
| 04:05:48 | stevnblinhome | Is even:) |
| 04:06:09 | kergoth | bipolar: how is kapital? i need a finance app |
| 04:06:42 | bipolar | kergoth: seems good. I have not compared it to gnucash though. I just use it becouse I wanted everything to be KDE based as long as I could. |
| 04:06:47 | stevnblinhome | so if i am looking for a particular package like the fbvncserver and want to install directly off the web? |
| 04:06:58 | bipolar | kergoth: Quicken kicks it's ass yet. |
| 04:07:08 | kergoth | stevnblinhome: you're looking for a feed that contains fbvncserver, to clarify the terminology :) |
| 04:07:19 | kergoth | bipolar: not surprised there. quicken is amazing. i'm tempted to run it within wine. :) |
| 04:07:24 | bipolar | kergoth: I might just run quicken in wine |
| 04:07:27 | bipolar | kergoth: hee |
| 04:07:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:07:32 | stevnblinhome | k. so i just go to those listed above and see which has it? |
| 04:07:48 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:07:49 | bipolar | kergoth: I hear that it runs great in wine. |
| 04:07:55 | kergoth | bipolar: really? hmmmm |
| 04:07:59 | stevnblinhome | k |
| 04:08:03 | treke|home | Codeweavers supports it, I think |
| 04:08:04 | kergoth | wine is great |
| 04:08:06 | kergoth | as is winex |
| 04:08:07 | bipolar | kergoth: I *think* it does... :) |
| 04:08:24 | treke|home | as in, you pay them 99bucks and get support for it :) |
| 04:08:51 | treke|home | http://codeweavers.com/products/office/supported_applications.php?id=15 |
| 04:08:58 | noda | bipolar: iirc quicken only runs in codeweaver's crossover wine (which costs $70 but runs MS office too) |
| 04:09:28 | bipolar | noda: MS office is useless to me. OpenOffice can do more then I will ever need |
| 04:09:32 | treke|home | noda: Most of crossovers stuff is in the main wine tree, except for the nasty hacks |
| 04:10:52 | bipolar | kergoth: do you run kde 3.1 betas? |
| 04:11:01 | kergoth | bipolar: yeah |
| 04:11:09 | noda | does sometimes too. |
| 04:11:11 | bipolar | kergoth: is the sync stuff in there? |
| 04:11:12 | badl | don't you just hate websites with music! |
| 04:11:16 | kergoth | bipolar: yeah |
| 04:11:20 | kergoth | bipolar: it doesnt work properly though :) |
| 04:11:26 | bipolar | kergoth: darn |
| 04:11:33 | bipolar | kergoth: how well does it work? |
| 04:11:37 | kergoth | bipolar: apparently it got pushed back |
| 04:11:42 | kergoth | bipolar: probably wont be in 3.1 |
| 04:11:47 | kergoth | bipolar: which sucks. |
| 04:11:48 | bipolar | kergoth: SHIT! |
| 04:12:02 | bipolar | kergoth: We need that badly |
| 04:12:12 | kergoth | bipolar: i know |
| 04:12:18 | bipolar | kergoth: can you do ANYTHING with it? |
| 04:12:22 | kergoth | bipolar: real syncing in linux with kdepim would be fucking amazing |
| 04:12:41 | kergoth | bipolar: not really, no. last i checked it fucked with my addressbook and organizer didnt work at all |
| 04:12:57 | bipolar | darn |
| 04:13:07 | noda | Last I checked with CVS it wouldn't compile :) |
| 04:13:09 | kergoth | yeah, disappointing |
| 04:13:17 | bipolar | I guess zecke has more important fish to fry |
| 04:13:19 | kergoth | noda: hah, i havent built from cvs directly in a few weeks |
| 04:13:22 | kergoth | bipolar: probably |
| 04:13:26 | kergoth | bipolar: you see the pim merges? |
| 04:13:44 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah. I saw them go through in the cvs logs |
| 04:13:52 | kergoth | bipolar: the crossref stuff is being merged into cvs head. pretty smooth, once they update the apps to use it |
| 04:14:01 | kergoth | *really* wants nested TODOs |
| 04:14:02 | noda | According to http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-features.html it'll make it into 3.1... but it's not done yet. |
| 04:14:21 | kergoth | and recurring todos |
| 04:14:27 | noda | agrees. |
| 04:14:35 | noda | And TODO reminders. |
| 04:14:38 | kergoth | recurring todos so i dont forget to pay my bills |
| 04:14:39 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:14:43 | kergoth | yeap |
| 04:14:55 | noda | And being able to set an alarm earlier than 3 hours before something happens :P |
| 04:14:57 | kergoth | and nested so i can manage most complex things i need to do |
| 04:15:03 | treke|home | kergoth: that would rock |
| 04:15:04 | noda | Can you just type in "2 days" and will that work? |
| 04:15:09 | kergoth | cuase i'm sick of using iqnotes |
| 04:15:13 | kergoth | cause iqnotes UI sucks |
| 04:15:32 | treke|home | woudlnt mind iqnotes |
| 04:15:50 | treke|home | if it wasnt for the icky ui |
| 04:16:17 | kergoth | same |
| 04:18:05 | bipolar | kergoth: that will be very nice |
| 04:18:19 | bipolar | kergoth: data still in XML format for 1.0 though? |
| 04:18:27 | badl | hell there must be some bad memory leaks in kppp, it is using 184meg ram! :o |
| 04:18:31 | kergoth | bipolar: either xml or sql backend |
| 04:18:39 | kergoth | brb, booting onto a new kernel |
| 04:26:46 | bipolar | darn! I missed him! |
| 04:26:51 | bipolar | hehe |
| 04:27:41 | br33zy | moo |
| 04:27:54 | br33zy | transistors are cool |
| 04:28:24 | bipolar | anyone have a preferance on a low latency patch to use for the linux kernel? |
| 04:29:44 | badl | br33zy: what do you like them? |
| 04:45:01 | br33zy | there just cool |
| 04:48:45 | myuu | hey kergoth |
| 04:49:23 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:52:57 | treke|home | gah. why is it so hard to keep any free space |
| 04:53:10 | kergoth | treke|home: 2.5.42 hates me |
| 04:53:21 | kergoth | treke|home: booted wonderfully, then promptly hung so hardcore even sysrq didnt work |
| 04:53:26 | treke|home | ha |
| 04:53:47 | treke|home | I ought to try 42 |
| 04:53:54 | treke|home | 41 was working except DMA |
| 04:53:55 | kergoth | i'm about to try .42-ac1 |
| 04:54:09 | kergoth | ac did patches against -40, 41, and 42.. i didnt realize he was even touching 2.5 nowadays |
| 04:54:16 | kergoth | i should try -dj's latest |
| 04:54:33 | treke|home | kergoth: Thats why he gave up 2.4 maintanance, I think |
| 04:54:35 | kergoth | is behind and out of the loop, and no longer on lkml |
| 04:57:32 | myuu | kergoth:heard of any issues with OZ and kismet? |
| 04:58:38 | kergoth | myuu: nope, should work fine. |
| 04:58:50 | kergoth | myuu: using the kismet ipk from the oz feeds? |
| 04:59:11 | myuu | k, thanks ill play around wiht it then...didnt expect there to be any |
| 04:59:24 | kergoth | k |
| 04:59:25 | kergoth | hey hunger_ |
| 04:59:31 | jbardin | 42 is the answer |
| 05:00:07 | kergoth | jbardin: indeed it is. |
| 05:00:16 | myuu | wasnt 42 the meaning of life? |
| 05:00:25 | jbardin | its the answer to everything |
| 05:00:30 | myuu | ah |
| 05:00:50 | kergoth | well, its the answer to teh ultimate question |
| 05:00:55 | kergoth | of the life, the universe, and everything |
| 05:00:55 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:01:25 | myuu | what the hell kind of answer if that to "will i get a car"? |
| 05:01:39 | kergoth | myuu: its not an answer to every question |
| 05:01:44 | Zxcvb | is hancom office not opening word6/95 documents a known issue? |
| 05:01:45 | kergoth | myuu: its *the* answer, to the ultimate question |
| 05:01:45 | myuu | damn |
| 05:02:02 | | meaning of life |
| 05:02:02 | kergoth | ibot answer |
| 05:02:03 | myuu | back to the magic 8 ball then |
| 05:02:06 | | meaning of life |
| 05:02:06 | kergoth | ibot the answer |
| 05:02:08 | kergoth | bah |
| 05:02:12 | | kergoth: I forgot answer |
| 05:02:12 | kergoth | ibot forget answer |
| 05:02:17 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 05:02:17 | kergoth | ibot the answer is 42 |
| 05:02:21 | | rumour has it the question is if the other PCI chips (rtl8139 etc) will like that |
| 05:02:21 | treke|home | ibot what is the question? |
| 05:02:28 | kergoth | haha |
| 05:02:32 | | kergoth: I forgot question |
| 05:02:32 | kergoth | ibot forget the question |
| 05:02:32 | treke|home | hmmm. |
| 05:02:45 | treke|home | I guess I can see how 42 fits that |
| 05:02:50 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:03:08 | kergoth | is if the ther pci chips will like that.. 42.. |
| 05:03:11 | kergoth | yeah, makes sense |
| 05:03:12 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:04:17 | kergoth | builds 2.5.42-ac1-k7, revision 2.5.42-ac1-1, per debian kernel package naming conventions. waits patiently. |
| 05:04:24 | myuu | thats a really cool bot |
| 05:04:32 | | thanks kergoth :) |
| 05:04:32 | kergoth | ibot botsnack |
| 05:04:39 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 05:04:39 | kergoth | ibot sucks! |
| 05:04:45 | myuu | lolol |
| 05:04:51 | kergoth | lmao |
| 05:05:15 | kergoth | i hate it when the bot propositions me |
| 05:05:18 | myuu | im speackless |
| 05:05:20 | kergoth | feels dirty |
| 05:05:25 | myuu | *speechless |
| 05:06:06 | myuu | man i wish i had the time to port stuff, damn homework |
| 05:06:55 | chouimat|Zzzz | night all |
| 05:07:01 | myuu | kergoth:you in MN or SD? |
| 05:07:09 | kergoth | MN |
| 05:07:21 | myuu | at the university? |
| 05:07:40 | kergoth | nah, i went to a college for a year and never went back |
| 05:07:41 | kergoth | i just owkr |
| 05:07:42 | kergoth | work |
| 05:07:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:07:48 | myuu | oh |
| 05:08:00 | myuu | bad example ;P |
| 05:08:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:08:27 | myuu | im either gonna go to U of MN or UND |
| 05:08:38 | myuu | =/ |
| 05:09:04 | kergoth | myuu: where are you located again? |
| 05:09:12 | myuu | Bismarck,ND |
| 05:09:18 | noda | Ah, that's what I gotta do tonight! Look into universities. |
| 05:09:53 | myuu | hard to say no to the school that invented gopher:// |
| 05:09:56 | Zxcvb | anyone here have problems installing java apps to mmc/sd? |
| 05:10:04 | kergoth | doesnt use java |
| 05:11:04 | Zxcvb | kergoth: can you recommend a decent text editor that can edit in any directory? |
| 05:11:12 | myuu | pico, kate |
| 05:11:28 | brontos | how long does it normally take ya'll to recompile your kernels? |
| 05:11:32 | Zxcvb | kate for the z? |
| 05:11:43 | kergoth | Zxcvb: kate is being ported to the Z |
| 05:11:48 | kergoth | Zxcvb: but for now, you can use textedit |
| 05:11:53 | kergoth | Zxcvb: or vim. or microemacs |
| 05:11:58 | kergoth | Zxcvb: or tkc's editor |
| 05:12:06 | kergoth | Zxcvb: or pester mark incessantly to finish kvim/e :) |
| 05:12:06 | Zxcvb | kergoth: that only works in the Documents directories |
| 05:12:06 | jbardin | what is zxcvb? |
| 05:12:07 | myuu | or pico ;P |
| 05:12:07 | noda | Aargh, fuck, I dunno where I want to go to school! :( |
| 05:12:13 | kergoth | Zxcvb: bullshit. not in opie :) |
| 05:12:16 | kergoth | Zxcvb: hehe |
| 05:12:18 | myuu | UND iwht me noda |
| 05:12:21 | Zxcvb | kergoth: ah, opie |
| 05:12:21 | myuu | argh |
| 05:12:22 | kergoth | myuu: or nano :) |
| 05:12:25 | Zxcvb | kergoth: is joe any good? |
| 05:12:27 | kergoth | Zxcvb: install opie's texteditor |
| 05:12:30 | kergoth | joe is okay |
| 05:12:30 | noda | myuu: It's definitely gonna be in Canada :P |
| 05:12:31 | myuu | em nede slepe =/ |
| 05:12:52 | trekelopieirc | n check |
| 05:13:01 | trekelopieirc | need spellcheck |
| 05:13:07 | hash | yo, try this dudes.... |
| 05:13:12 | hash | open any application |
| 05:13:15 | myuu | *sigh* i would love to be a canadian |
| 05:13:19 | Zxcvb | kergoth: how is openzaurus coming, anyway? |
| 05:13:23 | noda | myuu: We're great :) |
| 05:13:27 | kergoth | Zxcvb: quite well, new release within a week |
| 05:13:29 | hash | press up+right and then press the date button |
| 05:13:29 | noda | struts around with his big ego :) |
| 05:13:32 | myuu | althought half the us thinks ND is in Canada |
| 05:13:40 | noda | rofl |
| 05:13:41 | kergoth | smacks noda with his trusty 2x4 |
| 05:13:45 | Zxcvb | kergoth: full compatability with all extractable builtin sharp apps? |
| 05:13:49 | jbardin | canada eh |
| 05:13:49 | myuu | well your crazy PM is gonna get you killed |
| 05:14:01 | kergoth | Zxcvb: not certain about opera. have heard rumors of segfaults. everything else works. |
| 05:14:08 | trekelopieirc | hash: what should hsppen? |
| 05:14:18 | noda | I'm looking at University of Waterloo... they're apparently the coolest tech school in Canada. But they're way the hell in Ontario :( |
| 05:14:21 | hash | trekelopieirc: the app should exit |
| 05:14:24 | noda | And cost lots. |
| 05:14:27 | Zxcvb | kergoth: and java integrates with oz just like the sharp rom? |
| 05:14:30 | myuu | Zxcvb:decent success Hancom works like a charm |
| 05:14:32 | hash | trekelopieirc: for some reason it emits esc |
| 05:15:31 | Zxcvb | will a 32mb mmc be enough for oz? |
| 05:15:33 | hash | trekelopieirc: this makes playing games hard... cus if you use the datebook button, and the arrows at the same time... youre screwed |
| 05:16:07 | trekelopieirc | not really. the game would just ignore esc |
| 05:16:19 | hash | trekelopieirc: esc closes the window |
| 05:16:33 | hash | trekelopieirc: even if you catch the keys, it still bypasses it for some reason |
| 05:16:36 | trekelopieirc | and an app can ignore it |
| 05:17:02 | hash | trekelopieirc: hmm... how? |
| 05:17:16 | Zxcvb | trekelopieirc: how, if qtopia monitors for esc to close the window? |
| 05:17:20 | Zxcvb | trekelopieirc: kernel module? |
| 05:17:27 | paq | kergoth - supposedly opera's segfaults were caused by libjpeg... someone copies the version that comes with sharp rom and it runs fine on oz |
| 05:17:49 | Zxcvb | paq: I heard it would need a wrapper script |
| 05:18:12 | trekelopieirc | dont know how. |
| 05:18:26 | kergoth | Zxcvb: a script would be necessary if you'd want the two libjpeg versions to live side by side |
| 05:18:33 | trekelopieirc | probably grabkeys |
| 05:20:01 | trekelopieirc | crashed opie for the first time in a while |
| 05:20:03 | brontos | would the os for a zaurus work on an iPaq? |
| 05:20:13 | Zxcvb | brontos: which one? |
| 05:20:14 | trekelopieirc | brontos: no |
| 05:20:15 | noda | brontos: Linux? Yep. |
| 05:20:21 | myuu | alright, im gonna crash thanks for the help all, ttyl |
| 05:20:25 | Zxcvb | brontos: openzaurus or sharp? |
| 05:20:36 | noda | Oh, you mean the *distro* :) |
| 05:20:46 | Zxcvb | brontos: openzaurus is based on the ipaq linux distro |
| 05:21:03 | brontos | well I know linux would work I put that on an iPaq. But I am wondering about QT and every things else |
| 05:21:04 | kergoth | Zxcvb: no, its not. |
| 05:21:09 | noda | brontos: My cousin runs opie on an ipaq. Opie is a fork of qtopia, which is what is on the Zaurus when you buy it. |
| 05:21:13 | kergoth | Zxcvb: openzaurus is based on debian. familiar is also based on debian. |
| 05:21:46 | brontos | yeah familiar is waht I used and I know it is debian |
| 05:22:30 | kergoth | brontos: you wouldnt want embedix on your ipaq. trust me. |
| 05:22:37 | brontos | I jsut wish my kernel would hurry up and recompile so I can play with my zaurus and linux box |
| 05:22:39 | trekelopieirc | it isnt debian. its based on debian |
| 05:22:47 | brontos | kargoth why is that? |
| 05:22:52 | Zxcvb | has anyone recompiled/ported blackdown to the zaurus? |
| 05:22:53 | noda | Bastards! This university asks for $50 more than any other university when you apply. |
| 05:22:59 | kergoth | brontos: because embedix is rather hackish. |
| 05:23:08 | kergoth | brontos: familiar is the best ipaq linux distro by far. stick with it. |
| 05:23:11 | noda | Application costs $85+$50 :( |
| 05:23:23 | kergoth | brontos: just use opie on it :) |
| 05:23:37 | brontos | kergoth well I don't have an iPaq anymore I was just wondering |
| 05:23:59 | brontos | although my friend has one that doesn't work anymore... maybe I can snag that one |
| 05:24:07 | trekelopieirc | brontos: the ipaq has better linux support than the z in some ways . :) |
| 05:24:08 | Zxcvb | anyone know how close the wince api is to the win9x/nt api? |
| 05:24:25 | kergoth | trekelopieirc: many ways |
| 05:24:29 | Zxcvb | trekelopieirc: still will be limited until someone RE's SD support |
| 05:24:31 | brontos | trekelopieirc: really? |
| 05:24:46 | brontos | hmmm |
| 05:24:47 | kergoth | Zxcvb: SD isnt whats holding up the Z |
| 05:25:02 | Zxcvb | kergoth: it isn't, then what is? |
| 05:25:07 | trekelopieirc | Zxcvb: thats one of the few Z pluses |
| 05:25:21 | brontos | ok I have a brand new Z any ideas to tweek it up? |
| 05:25:31 | kergoth | Zxcvb: um, how about the fact that we're on 2.4.6? |
| 05:25:38 | kergoth | Zxcvb: and that 90% of the lineo drivers suck? |
| 05:25:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:26:10 | Zxcvb | trekelopieirc: or future minuses, unless someone can write a compat layer to run 2.4.x binary kernel modules on a 2.6.x kernel |
| 05:26:20 | Zxcvb | kergoth: you are refering to the sharp rom, right? |
| 05:26:28 | trekelopieirc | mutters something about not needing sd with 2 cf slots |
| 05:27:04 | kergoth | Zxcvb: i'm referring to both oz and the sharp rom. |
| 05:27:13 | kergoth | Zxcvb: OZ uses a stock Z kernel + some patches. |
| 05:27:18 | kergoth | Zxcvb: nothing spectacular. |
| 05:27:18 | Zxcvb | kergoth: isn't oz up to 2.4.18 now? |
| 05:27:26 | kergoth | no. |
| 05:27:31 | kergoth | i dont know where you get your information, man. |
| 05:27:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:27:42 | kergoth | 2.4.19 and 2.5.latest are underway, yes. available, no. |
| 05:27:59 | kergoth | and the fact is, they're being done by individuals, because sharp isnt doing it for us |
| 05:28:08 | kergoth | whereas on the ipaq side of things, CRL is doing a great job |
| 05:28:15 | Zxcvb | kergoth: yeah |
| 05:28:23 | Zxcvb | kergoth: not to mention the %!@# DMCA |
| 05:29:02 | kergoth | Zxcvb: as i said, the SD isnt whats holding us up |
| 05:29:08 | kergoth | though it annoys me too, there are bigger fish to fry |
| 05:29:48 | Zxcvb | kergoth: so compaq employees are contributing to the ipaq linux? |
| 05:30:15 | kergoth | Zxcvb: CRL, which is sponsored and supported by compaq, is doing familiar. |
| 05:30:28 | kergoth | not just *contributing*, but they *are* familiar. |
| 05:30:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:30:45 | Zxcvb | kergoth: ah, that helps |
| 05:30:57 | trekelopieirc | actually crl adopted familiar :) |
| 05:31:32 | trekelopieirc | it was a 3rd party project. compaq had their own distro |
| 05:31:33 | kergoth | well, i didnt say they invented it. but they do run the show ;) |
| 05:31:43 | trekelopieirc | hehe. |
| 05:31:45 | kergoth | ah, gotcha |
| 05:31:58 | kergoth | speaking of which |
| 05:32:12 | kergoth | i need to consult with jamey regarding groups for device access |
| 05:32:16 | kergoth | for the multiuser crap |
| 05:32:18 | Zxcvb | even with it's flaws, it will be quite popular in a couple years (easy to smuggle into the US) |
| 05:32:27 | kergoth | what will be? |
| 05:32:34 | kergoth | is confused |
| 05:32:40 | Zxcvb | the zaurus, or any other such open handheld |
| 05:32:53 | kergoth | the z is available in the US, i dont see what you mean by smuggle |
| 05:33:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:33:38 | trekelopieirc | stop the dmca trolling |
| 05:33:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:34:23 | trekelopieirc | kergoth: lsl7 wouldnt. appears to be a dos game |
| 05:34:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:35:03 | Zxcvb | trekelopieirc: would it run on an 8086? |
| 05:35:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:35:24 | trekelopieirc | no |
| 05:35:29 | kergoth | lsl7? i doubt it. it was around the 386/486 days |
| 05:36:25 | Zxcvb | if it would, then a dosbox port would work (does 8086, 286, and 386 real mode, but on the Z probably wouldn't be faster than an 8086) |
| 05:38:49 | trekelopieirc | good thing I wasnt talking about the Z |
| 05:39:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:39:40 | Zxcvb | it needs a 400mhz p4 to run at 286 speed (slow vga emulation) |
| 05:41:36 | hash | trekelopieirc: i cant stop ESC from emiting |
| 05:42:07 | hash | anyone know how to stop esc from emiting? |
| 05:42:19 | hash | or stop esc from closing the app...? |
| 05:42:24 | trekelopieirc | hash: ask neo |
| 05:42:28 | hash | neo? |
| 05:42:31 | | neo is probably 100% beef |
| 05:42:31 | hash | ibot: neo |
| 05:42:38 | hash | heh |
| 05:42:44 | trekelopieirc | ha |
| 06:31:56 | hash | anyone know what event is emited when the (x) button is clicked in a QMainWindow? |
| 06:32:00 | kergoth | re |
| 06:32:03 | hash | re |
| 06:32:53 | kergoth | um, i remember that OK is accept(), but i'm half asleep. i dunno |
| 06:33:20 | hash | i dont see anything in the man page |
| 06:33:34 | hash | OK? how can i get one of those anyway? |
| 06:33:43 | hash | would that be a QPEMainWindow or something? |
| 06:35:47 | hash | so i make all the closeEvent()s get ignored |
| 06:35:58 | hash | but then there is no way to really cllose the window |
| 06:59:40 | hash | hmm... |
| 07:00:21 | hash | what i really need is how to distinguish a closeEvent from a keyevent and from pushing the little (x) button |
| 07:01:48 | hash | hmm... embeddedkonsole successfully ignores *all* keyEvents |
| 07:01:52 | hash | even ESC |
| 07:02:07 | hash | how the hell...? |
| 07:04:42 | hash | i got it! |
| 07:06:35 | Saurian | can't wait to get his Zaurus. *drool* |
| 07:24:07 | hash | ljp: ping |
| 07:49:40 | kergoth | re |
| 07:49:44 | hardwire | bar |
| 08:04:42 | johnix | Hi |
| 08:04:45 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 08:05:34 | hardwire | hi |
| 08:07:04 | johnix | did anybody ever plug an external keyboard on the Z? |
| 08:07:17 | hardwire | to what? |
| 08:07:19 | kergoth | johnix: doubt it |
| 08:07:30 | johnix | sad |
| 08:07:40 | hardwire | well.. it has one |
| 08:07:47 | hardwire | and if you are jonesing for an external keyboard |
| 08:07:47 | kergoth | vnc and ssh probably dont count :) |
| 08:07:52 | hardwire | use vnc |
| 08:07:52 | hardwire | heh |
| 08:07:56 | hardwire | or ssh |
| 08:08:06 | hardwire | x2vnc is a wonderfull utility |
| 08:08:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:08:14 | kergoth | i love screen. |
| 08:08:16 | johnix | I bought a Twiddler, expecting to turn my Z into a wearable comp |
| 08:08:17 | kergoth | BELL in Window 1 |
| 08:08:37 | hardwire | johnix johnix did you bother researching the io? |
| 08:08:45 | kergoth | heh. |
| 08:08:48 | hardwire | err |
| 08:08:49 | hardwire | damnit |
| 08:08:56 | hardwire | cat made me say your name twice |
| 08:09:01 | johnix | but I failed to get a serial link |
| 08:09:02 | hardwire | he was standing in front of the screen |
| 08:09:05 | hardwire | with no intent to leave |
| 08:09:14 | hardwire | I gave him a pringle chip |
| 08:09:18 | hardwire | he moved |
| 08:09:19 | kergoth | first time i spec'd out the Z it was pretty obvious it was lacking in i/o .. serial and cf and sd, with sdio not here yet, .. heh |
| 08:09:22 | hardwire | tubby cat |
| 08:09:29 | Bones3D | hmm... anyone care to answer an X11 question? ;-) |
| 08:10:39 | kergoth | i should flash my Z with current OZ and fix the /dev situation |
| 08:11:02 | johnix | kergoth: well, I expected someone to bring me a serial link from Japan, that should have been (almost) enough to get scancodes to a user-space program... |
| 08:12:08 | Bones3D | I'm trying to figure out a way to remap tapping/clicking to a button on the zaurus itself, so I can move the cursor without it "dragging" things. Any idea if there's a config file where that could be adjusted? |
| 08:13:13 | hardwire | no idea |
| 08:13:15 | hardwire | :( |
| 08:13:47 | hash | Bones3D: i dont think that is possible |
| 08:13:55 | kergoth | johnix: 'serial link'? |
| 08:14:01 | DaWorm | wow |
| 08:14:06 | DaWorm | kergoth is still AWAKE |
| 08:14:10 | kergoth | yeh |
| 08:14:12 | johnix | kergoth: yes |
| 08:14:14 | hardwire | hides kergoth |
| 08:14:14 | kergoth | who needs sleep anyway |
| 08:14:24 | Bones3D | yeah. It kinda has me wondering if the mapping was pre-compiled into x itself. Its not like xfree86 in that respect |
| 08:14:24 | hash | kergoth: where do you live man? |
| 08:14:38 | johnix | kergoth: using the twiddler's PS/2 interface. |
| 08:14:45 | hardwire | Bones3D port over xmodmap :) |
| 08:15:15 | kergoth | hash: minnesota, usa |
| 08:15:34 | hash | kergoth: holy crap, it's 3:15 am right now |
| 08:15:39 | hash | kergoth: dont you work? |
| 08:15:54 | kergoth | hash: yes |
| 08:15:58 | kergoth | hash: today will be a long day |
| 08:16:03 | kergoth | hash: but then, so is every other day |
| 08:16:06 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 08:16:06 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:16:22 | hash | kergoth: jessh... you crazy dude ^_^ |
| 08:16:49 | kergoth | its reaching that point of no return |
| 08:17:04 | kergoth | the point at which the amount of sleep is so low, that you'll be more awake by staying awake than going to bed |
| 08:17:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:17:20 | Bones3D | well, mainly, this was for an emulator (basilisk II) and I was hoping a configuration change to X11 would apply it globally across any future emulators I might decide to add. :-) |
| 08:18:22 | hash | i really dont get why QPEApplication::grabKeyboard(); doesnt grab the esc key |
| 08:18:24 | hash | damn.... |
| 08:18:25 | DaWorm | man, i'd like to try out basilisk II on my zaurus..i have it running on a windows box with os8 |
| 08:18:35 | hash | what is basilisk? |
| 08:18:46 | Bones3D | its great... running 7.1 on my zaurus :-) |
| 08:18:49 | DaWorm | its a macos emulator |
| 08:18:56 | hash | oh |
| 08:19:03 | hash | why would you do that anyway? |
| 08:19:06 | Bones3D | http://www.mmhart.com/macz.htm |
| 08:19:21 | DaWorm | Bones3D: can everything be installed in CF/SD? |
| 08:19:23 | Bones3D | because it kicks ass and I'm an avid mac user |
| 08:19:29 | hash | oh |
| 08:19:41 | DaWorm | i like the shock value of it |
| 08:19:42 | Bones3D | most of it, yes. |
| 08:19:42 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:20:01 | Bones3D | theres a few libraries and X11 you gotta install |
| 08:20:17 | DaWorm | x11..hmmm..isn't that big |
| 08:20:30 | Bones3D | worm... you the same fella that was on zauruszone? |
| 08:20:42 | DaWorm | yep |
| 08:20:45 | Bones3D | cool :-) |
| 08:20:48 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:21:07 | DaWorm | i'll install it then |
| 08:21:09 | hash | Bones3D: what apps can you run with it? |
| 08:21:17 | DaWorm | any macOS app of course |
| 08:21:54 | hash | photoshop? |
| 08:21:59 | DaWorm | hahahhaa |
| 08:22:04 | DaWorm | well |
| 08:22:05 | Bones3D | I've already managed to apply screen rotation and a macro that just straight to mac os from terminal... runs nice. Shutdown dumps you back to terminal afterwards :-) |
| 08:22:15 | hash | haha |
| 08:22:21 | DaWorm | hmmm..maybe i should wait for your hack |
| 08:22:27 | DaWorm | boy running photoshop |
| 08:22:39 | Bones3D | so far I've only tested teachtext with it... but mainly because I only have a 32MB CF on hand |
| 08:22:58 | DaWorm | hmmm..a 128MB CF would do wonders |
| 08:23:24 | Bones3D | interface wise, running it in landscape is the way to go... doesn't clip your menus |
| 08:24:18 | DaWorm | can it run OS8? |
| 08:24:33 | hardwire | what about OSX! |
| 08:24:39 | Bones3D | I've heard at least one person claim they've installed 8 |
| 08:24:42 | hardwire | http://www.mmhart.com/bochz.htm |
| 08:24:43 | DaWorm | oh osx |
| 08:24:44 | DaWorm | ehhhe |
| 08:24:44 | hardwire | thats worse |
| 08:24:46 | DaWorm | osx |
| 08:24:48 | DaWorm | come on |
| 08:24:49 | DaWorm | hhehe |
| 08:24:58 | Bones3D | nope... it only emulates 68K macs |
| 08:25:20 | Bones3D | so I imagine 8.1 is probably the top |
| 08:25:42 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 08:26:15 | DaWorm | bochz |
| 08:26:18 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 08:26:36 | Bones3D | what I eventually want to do is get it running full time on the zaurus, then write a pim for Mac OS, then have it sync to the same app on a real mac |
| 08:26:36 | DaWorm | doesn't that emulate windows or x86? |
| 08:26:54 | hash | doih |
| 08:27:01 | hash | why bother.... |
| 08:27:10 | DaWorm | why not |
| 08:27:14 | hash | (cus you are an advid mac user...?) |
| 08:27:18 | DaWorm | people still use newton |
| 08:27:23 | DaWorm | and that's a dinosaur |
| 08:27:40 | Bones3D | well, considering windows users have pocket pc... I really want my own pocket mac ;-) |
| 08:28:04 | DaWorm | how is the refresh rates for x11 |
| 08:28:09 | hash | Bones3D: custom g3/4 hardware? |
| 08:28:15 | Bones3D | surprisingly good |
| 08:28:35 | Bones3D | hash, I wish |
| 08:28:36 | DaWorm | ok i'm downloading the stuff now |
| 08:28:36 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:28:37 | hash | someone might sell a pocket sized board |
| 08:29:15 | Bones3D | actually, 68K emulation of a simplified Mac OS is fine for PDA applications |
| 08:29:39 | DaWorm | hrrmm..i assume i still need a mac rom here |
| 08:29:43 | DaWorm | not just the OS |
| 08:29:44 | Bones3D | yeah |
| 08:29:47 | DaWorm | no problem |
| 08:29:48 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:29:55 | DaWorm | i had an old quadra |
| 08:30:40 | DaWorm | hmm..i need both icewm and wm2? |
| 08:31:57 | Bones3D | actually, I don't think either of them are really necessary. wm2 will help for configuring it initially |
| 08:35:02 | DaWorm | wow the mmhart site is slow |
| 08:35:09 | hardwire | yup |
| 08:35:17 | Bones3D | yeah... it was like that all day today |
| 08:35:45 | Bones3D | I'm tempted to offer mirroring it for the guy |
| 08:36:15 | DaWorm | you still have the files? |
| 08:36:33 | DaWorm | libz.zip |
| 08:36:43 | DaWorm | and zbasiliskii.zip |
| 08:36:49 | Bones3D | ok... I can upload those. |
| 08:38:43 | Bones3D | gah... wait... I forgot I still have the older zip file with the bugs on the desktop machine. I'll have to try pulling them off the CF card |
| 08:39:50 | hardwire | ? |
| 08:40:15 | hash | embeddedkonsole is hardcoded in qpeapplication.cpp so it wont close when you hit the close key |
| 08:40:27 | hardwire | oooh probably |
| 08:40:35 | hash | it is... |
| 08:40:41 | hash | dang that took a lot of digging |
| 08:40:41 | hardwire | oh.. probably |
| 08:41:16 | hash | uhhg... |
| 08:41:32 | hardwire | oh.. probably |
| 08:41:34 | kergoth | hash: thats a pretty lame hack. |
| 08:41:45 | hash | kergoth: yeah... |
| 08:41:52 | kergoth | s/pretty/very/; |
| 08:41:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:42:01 | kergoth | thanks TT! |
| 08:42:04 | kergoth | growls |
| 08:42:13 | hash | kergoth: so there is no way to disable the "cancel" key and still let the (x) button do it's job |
| 08:42:31 | kergoth | hash: sounds like a good feature request |
| 08:43:03 | hash | cus you can make the app not close in closeEvent(), but the the (x) button wont work either |
| 08:43:25 | Bones3D | ok, uploading them now |
| 08:43:41 | hash | i guess i have to map another button to close the emulator |
| 08:43:43 | DaWorm | ok |
| 08:43:57 | Bones3D | did you already get the wm2 file? |
| 08:44:21 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 08:44:28 | Bones3D | ok |
| 08:47:10 | Bones3D | http://www.bones3d.com/zaurus/zbasiliskii.zip and http://www.bones3d.com/zaurus/libz.zip |
| 08:47:18 | DaWorm | neat |
| 08:47:54 | hardwire | anybody allready have bochz.zip? |
| 08:49:56 | hash | kergoth: did i tell you about the up + right + datebook bug? |
| 08:50:04 | Bones3D | nope, sorry |
| 08:50:12 | DaWorm | hmmm..anybody know if x11 will run on a card instead of ram |
| 08:50:32 | Piete | DaWorm: with crow's rom? :-P~ |
| 08:50:37 | DaWorm | nope |
| 08:50:38 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:50:39 | DaWorm | sharp |
| 08:50:50 | DaWorm | of course if its crow, it would go to sd |
| 08:50:51 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:51:24 | johnix | Hum, seems someone has plugged a PS/2 Kbd on the iPaq's serial port |
| 08:51:30 | kergoth | johnix: yep |
| 08:51:40 | Piete | cool |
| 08:51:43 | hardwire | heh |
| 08:51:58 | DaWorm | hehe ok now i install stuff on my z |
| 08:52:06 | johnix | so all I need is a serial cable that would plug into the Z... |
| 08:52:35 | johnix | Is there a way to put one together ? |
| 08:52:46 | Bones3D | worm... you got the zaurus data backed up, right? ;-) |
| 08:53:15 | DaWorm | indeed |
| 08:53:17 | DaWorm | i should |
| 08:53:17 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:53:41 | DaWorm | messing up something like this would warrant such |
| 08:54:42 | DaWorm | i'll make 2 backups just in case |
| 08:54:43 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:56:34 | hash | who is writing the kernel keyboard driver? |
| 08:57:09 | Bones3D | ok... you may have some issues with resuming after a suspend due to x11. usually flipping the battery lock switch off and on will do a bootup without hard resetting. If you can, whenever you want to leave x11, use the command "shutdown -h now" to kill x11. For some reason trying to reboot from terminal will occasionally hang the zaurus. |
| 08:57:57 | DaWorm | *gasp* |
| 08:59:14 | Bones3D | well, its just reinstalling B2 from scratch is a pain in the rear after about the 6th time ;-) |
| 08:59:58 | DaWorm | well ok, i'll take that in mind then, you staying for a while? it would be great to have someone guide me up just in case |
| 09:00:12 | Bones3D | yeah... probably for a bit |
| 09:01:39 | Piete | Bones3D: B2? |
| 09:01:53 | Bones3D | basilisk II... a macintosh emulator |
| 09:02:22 | Piete | ah yes |
| 09:05:04 | Bones3D | *chuckle* zauruszone never fails to amaze me... I think I found a piece of info that could allow me to create a Qtopia front end that would jump directly to b2 and kill qt. ;-) |
| 09:05:28 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 09:05:33 | DaWorm | you mean kill linux altogether |
| 09:05:34 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:05:44 | DaWorm | or just qtopia |
| 09:05:57 | Bones3D | nah... linux stays up and running, just kill the funky gui |
| 09:06:19 | Bones3D | it allows a shell script to have an icon in QT |
| 09:06:25 | DaWorm | boy it would be something else if macOS can run by itself eh |
| 09:07:04 | Bones3D | well, if basilisk 2 can be configed to bypass the config screen, you could do just that |
| 09:07:20 | Piete | so can I have a fullscreen console yet? |
| 09:08:09 | Bones3D | sure... its always been there, but you gotta boot up and tell it to do a console instead of loading Qtopia |
| 09:09:16 | Piete | Bones3D: how? |
| 09:09:42 | Bones3D | when you boot up the zaurus, wait until you see the "wait ..." message appear, then push the '/' key on the keyboard... it'll give you a menu to choose from... console mode is 'a' |
| 09:09:58 | DaWorm | hmm.. |
| 09:10:02 | DaWorm | what's the ftp port of the zaurus |
| 09:10:06 | DaWorm | i'm sure it wasnt 21 |
| 09:10:10 | Bones3D | 4242 |
| 09:10:11 | hash|bed | if you want to see something weird try this => open any app, up + right -> datebook button |
| 09:10:15 | DaWorm | ok |
| 09:10:36 | Piete | Bones3D: cool!! |
| 09:10:39 | Piete | thanks! |
| 09:10:44 | Bones3D | no prob |
| 09:15:15 | DaWorm | ok with the libs folder i upload the whole folder right? |
| 09:15:20 | DaWorm | to /usr/lib |
| 09:16:22 | Bones3D | yeah, but make sure you don't overwrite the directories... just add the files to the cooresponding directories |
| 09:17:02 | DaWorm | i uploaded the whole libs folder |
| 09:19:30 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 09:19:32 | DaWorm | wait |
| 09:19:37 | DaWorm | but they're all the same! |
| 09:19:55 | Bones3D | actually, the guy who ported this kinda went overboard with the lib files... included about 20+ more than what was actually needed. I just haven't had time to weed thru all of them yet |
| 09:21:11 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 09:21:12 | Bones3D | there are a lot of files he includes that are already installed. You really only need to add the ones you don't already have on the zaurus |
| 09:21:29 | DaWorm | yeah you're right i have to weed the unwanted ones |
| 09:22:04 | DaWorm | this would take a while |
| 09:22:11 | Bones3D | *nods* |
| 09:22:41 | Bones3D | probably save him alot of bandwidth too if he weeded them out ahead of time |
| 09:24:09 | DaWorm | this is confusing |
| 09:24:50 | Bones3D | well, I'm hoping eventually this guy will figure out how to do ipkgs and automate most of this |
| 09:25:13 | DaWorm | yes that would be convinient |
| 09:26:52 | DaWorm | and the zaurus won't accept uploading some of the autofs files |
| 09:27:11 | Bones3D | are they already there? |
| 09:27:20 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 09:27:28 | DaWorm | i guess i shouldnt |
| 09:27:36 | Bones3D | I believe the zaurus blocks destructive behaviors over ftp |
| 09:28:01 | Bones3D | so you can upload/download, but not relace/delete |
| 09:28:39 | DaWorm | how did you do it? unzip within the zaurus? |
| 09:29:00 | Bones3D | I downloaded unzip from the zauruszone feed |
| 09:33:19 | DaWorm | well |
| 09:33:25 | DaWorm | at least x11 worked |
| 09:33:28 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 09:33:38 | Bones3D | hmm? |
| 09:33:50 | DaWorm | i'm stumped with the libraries thing |
| 09:34:55 | Bones3D | well, where you about to get them installed ok? |
| 09:35:00 | Bones3D | err were |
| 09:35:09 | Bones3D | gah |
| 09:35:18 | Bones3D | about = able :-P |
| 09:35:21 | DaWorm | /usr/lib |
| 09:36:56 | DaWorm | i'll just upload them all and just reject those wanting to overwrite/replace |
| 09:38:21 | Bones3D | here's how it breaks down... /libs -> /usr/lib ; /libs/autofs -> /usr/lib/autofs ; /libs/ipkg -> /usr/lib/ipkg ; /libs/ipkg/info -> /usr/lib/ipkg/info |
| 09:39:51 | DaWorm | yep i got that, i just rejected those stuff wanting to overwrite/replace |
| 09:39:59 | Bones3D | *nod* |
| 09:40:56 | Piete | is it just me, or is slashdot really stis it just me, or is slashdot really starting to suck? I mean, the lastest headline : "Redheads Need More Anesthesia than Others" damn...arting to suck? I mean, the lastest headline : "Redheads Need More Anesthesia than Others" damn... |
| 09:41:10 | Piete | woops |
| 09:41:12 | DaWorm | not really suck, but their editors start to suck |
| 09:41:26 | DaWorm | ok the basilisk folder should be easy |
| 09:41:29 | Piete | DaWorm: yea, short memories, and bad spelling |
| 09:41:34 | Piete | :/ |
| 09:42:34 | Bones3D | actually, I don't have a lot of respect for slashdot... they've devolved to saying "imagine a beowulf cluster of these!" every time a new topic comes up. :-P |
| 09:42:41 | DaWorm | hehehe..this thing is dirty, the zbasilikii file has 3 folders and only 1 is usable |
| 09:43:01 | DaWorm | the other 2 is empty |
| 09:43:14 | Bones3D | yeah... just delete "lib" and "basiliskii |
| 09:43:16 | Bones3D | " |
| 09:43:36 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 09:43:42 | DaWorm | where are we supposed to put the rom and the OS? |
| 09:44:00 | Bones3D | personally, I just created a directory called "roms" and dropped it into the basil folder. |
| 09:44:06 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 09:44:25 | Bones3D | that rename to "rom" crap doesn't work |
| 09:45:35 | DaWorm | ok everythings there |
| 09:45:45 | DaWorm | but where's the os supposed to be |
| 09:45:50 | DaWorm | another folder? |
| 09:46:08 | Bones3D | the OS is already there... thats what the *.dsk files are |
| 09:46:13 | DaWorm | holy |
| 09:46:18 | DaWorm | ok i'll try it now |
| 09:46:23 | Bones3D | ok |
| 09:47:31 | Bones3D | do the "wm2" thing the first time around... you'll need it to enlargen the basilisk II config window to get at all the settings |
| 09:49:11 | DaWorm | well thats strange i get a permission denied on wm2 |
| 09:49:22 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bochz-1.png |
| 09:49:24 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 09:49:30 | hardwire | just booted x86 linux on my pda |
| 09:49:44 | Bones3D | ok, is it rejected the "wm2" command |
| 09:49:46 | Bones3D | ? |
| 09:49:47 | Piete | hardwire: omg! |
| 09:49:49 | Piete | :)) |
| 09:50:02 | hardwire | 1.3.89 |
| 09:50:05 | hardwire | thats one old ass kernel |
| 09:50:08 | DaWorm | wm2: permission denied on X11 |
| 09:50:17 | DaWorm | - X11 |
| 09:50:20 | DaWorm | crap |
| 09:50:30 | DaWorm | it just said "wm2: permission denied" |
| 09:50:38 | Bones3D | ok... one sec |
| 09:50:57 | Bones3D | do this: cd /home/root/usr/local/bin |
| 09:51:15 | Piete | hardwire: next step, windows :p |
| 09:51:38 | hardwire | Piete yeah :) |
| 09:51:44 | hardwire | just for shits and giggles |
| 09:52:00 | Piete | yea, it'd be *HELL* slow, but it could work ;) |
| 09:52:11 | hardwire | loads windows95 on his pda |
| 09:52:18 | DaWorm | ok i'm there |
| 09:52:21 | Bones3D | heh... put xp on that beast ;-) |
| 09:52:25 | hardwire | heh |
| 09:52:34 | Piete | lol |
| 09:52:44 | Bones3D | ok... now do: chmod 2777 wm2 |
| 09:52:52 | Piete | hardwire: how much experience do you have with bochs? |
| 09:53:06 | DaWorm | there |
| 09:53:08 | DaWorm | that worked |
| 09:53:17 | Bones3D | ok, now try "wm2" again |
| 09:53:38 | hardwire | Piete not a whole hell of a lot |
| 09:53:41 | Bones3D | it was a permissions issue from uploading, most likely |
| 09:53:45 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 09:53:47 | hardwire | used it once to test out mosix on windows machines |
| 09:53:49 | DaWorm | i'll just cd to basil then |
| 09:53:57 | Bones3D | ok |
| 09:54:14 | Bones3D | you may need to chmod basil too |
| 09:54:36 | DaWorm | how do i go around wm2 |
| 09:54:56 | Piete | hardwire: it really sucks that you can't install windows on it like a normal pc. you have to copy the /windows directory from an existing windows partition to it to make it work |
| 09:55:05 | DaWorm | i just get a prompt that doesnt make me do anything |
| 09:55:10 | Bones3D | ok... hold the stylus down and it'll pop up a menu, choose "new" |
| 09:55:42 | DaWorm | now we're going |
| 09:55:48 | Bones3D | ok |
| 09:56:11 | Bones3D | configuration is a slight pain, but luckilly, you only do it once |
| 09:56:42 | DaWorm | shit it worked |
| 09:56:43 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:57:07 | Bones3D | you already booted up? |
| 09:57:32 | DaWorm | i'll just add system71.dsk to volumes right |
| 09:57:38 | Bones3D | yep |
| 09:57:57 | Bones3D | I also disabled the cd-rom driver |
| 09:58:36 | DaWorm | where do i add the rom part |
| 09:58:58 | Bones3D | ok... move the window to the left until you can see the right corner |
| 09:59:17 | Bones3D | err bottom right |
| 09:59:17 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bochz-2.png |
| 09:59:57 | DaWorm | wow |
| 10:00:01 | DaWorm | its DOS |
| 10:00:06 | Bones3D | hehe |
| 10:00:16 | Twiun_ | lol... X, right? |
| 10:01:23 | hardwire | yeah |
| 10:01:24 | hardwire | X |
| 10:01:26 | DaWorm | yeah what a pain to navigate |
| 10:01:26 | hardwire | but |
| 10:01:27 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 10:01:30 | hardwire | the Z is running dos |
| 10:01:48 | Twiun | true... now can we run dos games in it? |
| 10:02:01 | Twiun | Tyrian here I come! |
| 10:02:04 | hardwire | heh |
| 10:02:09 | hardwire | its not very fast :) |
| 10:02:47 | Twiun | true... tyrian was a bit of a beast as well |
| 10:02:56 | Twiun | esp with all the effects enabled |
| 10:03:23 | DaWorm | how big should the ram size be? |
| 10:03:47 | Bones3D | worm... in that memory/misc tab... I used the settings of 8MB RAM / IIci / 68040 |
| 10:04:15 | Bones3D | and the rom q650 |
| 10:04:50 | DaWorm | ah i only uploaded q605lc |
| 10:05:10 | Bones3D | it may work... I haven't tested that one myself |
| 10:06:50 | DaWorm | damn |
| 10:06:51 | DaWorm | it worked |
| 10:07:08 | Bones3D | cool :-) |
| 10:07:52 | DaWorm | its not the fastest thing in the universe though, but heck its cool |
| 10:08:16 | Bones3D | actually, I should give you my hack for screen rotation and bypassing the window manager |
| 10:08:52 | DaWorm | sure |
| 10:09:07 | DaWorm | ive already come this far |
| 10:09:36 | Bones3D | normally, you'd have to edit one of x11's shell scripts... but its a pain in the ass on the zaurus. easier to just upload and set |
| 10:09:50 | Bones3D | one sec |
| 10:12:52 | Bones3D | ok... download this file: http://www.bones3d.com/zaurus/macos |
| 10:13:50 | DaWorm | its a script |
| 10:14:25 | Bones3D | then, drop it into /home/root/usr/local/bin ... go to that directory from the terminal and do a "chmod 2777 macos" |
| 10:14:30 | Bones3D | right |
| 10:15:22 | DaWorm | ok hold on, but how do i get out of xterm first i still have a window open that won't accept any command |
| 10:15:48 | Bones3D | ok... do a new window |
| 10:16:03 | Bones3D | type: shutdown -h now |
| 10:17:07 | DaWorm | ok hold on |
| 10:17:39 | Bones3D | your zaurus will power down... if you can't get it to turn on, flip the battery lock switch and try turning it on again. |
| 10:20:53 | DaWorm | i'm done |
| 10:21:20 | Bones3D | ok |
| 10:21:51 | Bones3D | did you get the macos file uploaded and chmodded? |
| 10:22:05 | DaWorm | yep |
| 10:22:06 | DaWorm | all set |
| 10:22:23 | Bones3D | ok... if your at the console, type macos |
| 10:22:45 | Bones3D | you'll get a b2 config window, but sideways |
| 10:23:02 | DaWorm | hmm you mean i should reboot back and go to console right |
| 10:23:19 | Bones3D | *nod* |
| 10:23:27 | DaWorm | ok |
| 10:23:39 | Bones3D | this launches x11 in a different mode |
| 10:25:27 | DaWorm | strange i've chmoded macos and yet it says not found |
| 10:25:34 | Bones3D | you'll need to alter the config settings for the graphics to get the best effect before going into Mac OS from basilisk |
| 10:25:45 | DaWorm | hold on i'll look at macos code |
| 10:26:06 | Bones3D | is it in /home/root/usr/local/bin |
| 10:26:40 | Bones3D | oh... duh. I know what it is |
| 10:26:52 | Bones3D | I have it configged for mine. :-P |
| 10:27:26 | Bones3D | set the basil file path to the basil file path of your zaurus |
| 10:27:34 | DaWorm | doh! |
| 10:27:35 | DaWorm | hold on |
| 10:27:44 | Bones3D | sorry about that |
| 10:27:48 | DaWorm | its ok |
| 10:28:15 | Bones3D | I run mine off a CF card |
| 10:28:44 | DaWorm | me too |
| 10:28:49 | DaWorm | it shouldt be different |
| 10:29:26 | Bones3D | depends... is your basil directory at the root level of your cf card? |
| 10:29:46 | DaWorm | /mnt/cf/basil/basil |
| 10:30:03 | Bones3D | hmm... ok... that should work then. :-/ |
| 10:31:58 | DaWorm | ummm |
| 10:32:05 | DaWorm | is there an exit edit mode in the vi of zaurus |
| 10:32:25 | Bones3D | hmm... I'm not sure, I've never used it |
| 10:32:36 | DaWorm | i seem to got stuck in it |
| 10:34:39 | Bones3D | well, if you flip the battery lock, the zaurus will power down... not exactly a favored idea though |
| 10:34:50 | DaWorm | yes i'm trying to avoid that |
| 10:35:23 | DaWorm | :q won't even work |
| 10:35:33 | Bones3D | :-/ |
| 10:35:37 | Wintre | Hit cancel |
| 10:35:41 | Wintre | That's the escape key |
| 10:37:08 | DaWorm | there! |
| 10:37:09 | DaWorm | thanks |
| 10:37:10 | DaWorm | whew |
| 10:37:13 | Bones3D | ok |
| 10:37:29 | DaWorm | ok i'll look at the stuff again |
| 10:37:39 | Bones3D | *nod* |
| 10:37:47 | Bongo | w00t |
| 10:38:40 | Bongo | cant wait to get a zaurus |
| 10:44:57 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 10:45:38 | DaWorm | do you use this script? |
| 10:45:43 | Bones3D | yep |
| 10:46:07 | DaWorm | i dont get it |
| 10:46:09 | DaWorm | it just wont work |
| 10:46:19 | Bones3D | if the path to basilisk is correct, everything should work |
| 10:46:34 | Bones3D | thats really strange |
| 10:48:48 | Bones3D | oh, hey... what rom are you using, btw? |
| 10:48:54 | Bones3D | for the zaurus |
| 10:49:07 | Bones3D | I use the sharp default |
| 10:49:19 | DaWorm | 2.38 sharp |
| 10:49:40 | Bones3D | ok... same as me |
| 10:50:01 | Bones3D | ok, see if these exist: |
| 10:50:12 | Bones3D | /bin/sh |
| 10:50:25 | Bones3D | /usr/local/fonts |
| 10:50:41 | Bones3D | /usr/local/bin/calibrate |
| 10:51:07 | DaWorm | yes |
| 10:51:11 | DaWorm | i think i get it |
| 10:51:18 | Bones3D | ok |
| 10:51:20 | DaWorm | it has a lot of junk text |
| 10:51:33 | Bones3D | ooh, maybe the upload messed it |
| 10:51:33 | DaWorm | that's why i'm getting these bad interpreter error |
| 10:51:37 | DaWorm | yah |
| 10:51:53 | Bones3D | yeah, it should be fairly clean |
| 10:52:11 | DaWorm | there's a lot of ^M characters every line |
| 10:52:40 | Bones3D | ok... probably line break conversion issue |
| 10:54:15 | DaWorm | there that did it |
| 10:54:22 | Bones3D | ok, cool |
| 10:54:38 | Bones3D | when basilisk 2 loads up, click the graphics tab |
| 10:55:14 | DaWorm | there |
| 10:55:36 | DaWorm | this is so much better |
| 10:56:02 | Bones3D | ok, display=window / type=dynamic / width 320 / height 240 / sound disabled |
| 10:56:30 | Bones3D | then just go to file and choose start basilisk II |
| 10:56:50 | DaWorm | w00t |
| 10:56:59 | DaWorm | damn this is way better |
| 10:57:04 | Bones3D | the awesome part comes when you shut down ;-) |
| 10:57:34 | Bones3D | it should drop you back to console |
| 10:57:38 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 10:57:39 | DaWorm | hell |
| 10:57:47 | DaWorm | congrats man |
| 10:57:54 | DaWorm | that hack should be added |
| 10:58:01 | Bones3D | now, if only I knew a way to get rid of the config screen ;-) |
| 10:58:23 | DaWorm | what the appletalk error? |
| 10:58:46 | Bones3D | its just trying to find a network connection on a port that doesn't exist |
| 10:59:24 | DaWorm | ok here's something that happened |
| 10:59:31 | DaWorm | i was dragging the system 7.1 window |
| 10:59:37 | DaWorm | and it just got stuck |
| 10:59:41 | Bones3D | yep |
| 10:59:43 | DaWorm | the mouse works |
| 10:59:53 | Bones3D | thats the "sticky click" think I mentioned |
| 11:00:23 | DaWorm | how do i go out of that |
| 11:00:26 | Bones3D | I think there's a way around it, but I don't know if it'll require a recompile of x11 or not |
| 11:00:42 | Bones3D | just click in the menubar |
| 11:01:43 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 11:01:46 | DaWorm | still no go |
| 11:02:08 | Bones3D | the problem is, x11 assumes any contact with the screen is a mouse click, so you can't move without click/dragging on the zaurus. |
| 11:03:06 | Bones3D | I've found the best way to deal with it now, is to tap very quickly then try moving |
| 11:04:56 | Bones3D | ok, the guy who did this port mentioned a hack for x11 that could stop that power up issue. I haven't tried it yet. |
| 11:05:01 | DaWorm | heheh i can't seem to get the technique right |
| 11:05:16 | Bones3D | its a slow, painful process ;-) |
| 11:07:07 | DaWorm | i can feel it now |
| 11:07:07 | DaWorm | hhee |
| 11:07:18 | Bones3D | hehe |
| 11:07:37 | Bongo | argh man these ~15k zaurus apps are gonna fill my hdd up... :D |
| 11:08:54 | Bones3D | well, I need to go get some sleep, guys. Have fun with your handheld mac, worm ;-) |
| 11:09:28 | DaWorm | hehehe.thaks Bones |
| 11:09:31 | DaWorm | i really appreciate the help |
| 11:09:33 | Bongo | right guys |
| 11:09:33 | Bones3D | not a problem |
| 11:09:37 | Bones3D | :-) |
| 11:09:40 | DaWorm | i'll help out in the future |
| 11:09:47 | Bones3D | *nod* |
| 11:09:50 | Bongo | give me reasons why i should buy a zaurus rather than any other pda |
| 11:09:52 | DaWorm | this is something i'd love to improve |
| 11:09:55 | DaWorm | well |
| 11:09:58 | Bones3D | worm, you visit here alot? |
| 11:09:59 | DaWorm | you can run MacOS |
| 11:10:01 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 11:10:03 | DaWorm | i'm always here |
| 11:10:03 | Bongo | lol |
| 11:10:14 | DaWorm | this time |
| 11:10:21 | Bones3D | ok... I'll pop back in every so often then ;-) |
| 11:10:21 | DaWorm | its 7pm in my place |
| 11:10:22 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 11:10:32 | Bongo | 12 am here |
| 11:10:37 | Bones3D | 6:15am here |
| 11:11:08 | Bones3D | well, I'll see ya guys later. |
| 11:11:13 | DaWorm | see ya |
| 11:11:50 | Bongo | can zarus' communicate with epoc? |
| 11:15:03 | Bongo | whats the most popular ebook viewer for the zaurus? |
| 11:15:35 | DaWorm | there's a lot of stuff available on killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 11:15:52 | Bongo | :-o |
| 11:16:05 | Bongo | u heard of the terpin mine |
| 11:16:10 | Bongo | terapin |
| 11:17:17 | XavierXeon | whats all that window stuff at ZSI ? |
| 11:22:51 | DaWorm | what window |
| 11:22:52 | DaWorm | oh |
| 11:22:54 | DaWorm | he left |
| 11:54:45 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 8 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: ibot: bzflist [Tue Oct 15 04:46:38 2002] |
| 11:54:45 | Twiun | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 11:55:01 | Data__ | is gone. Gone since Fri Sep 20 08:54:01 2002 |
| 12:34:29 | kolla | hehe.. bassilisk II on Z as well |
| 12:48:28 | xtmdster | Is there any distro I can buy where the Zaurus usb works right out of the box? |
| 13:02:39 | akawaka | so i just got a zaurus, how do i go about getting packages from my linux box to the zaurus |
| 13:04:45 | xtmdster | Good question. akawaka. In my experience I'd say save the receipt and don't throw away the box. |
| 13:05:17 | xtmdster | But try this... http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 13:06:00 | akawaka | hmmm |
| 13:06:10 | akawaka | but once I have the ethernet connection how do I transfer files? |
| 13:07:55 | xtmdster | I can't help there. I never got it to work. But I think you want qtopiadesktop from the trolltech site. |
| 13:10:55 | akawaka | how come you couldn't get it working? |
| 13:13:28 | xtmdster | I assume its my lack of clue because others say they've got it working. |
| 13:13:30 | Piete | akawaka: there are lots of ways to transfer files once you get the connection working; samba, ftp, qtopiadesktop etc |
| 13:15:24 | nr | after installing ethernet over usb I saw there was just a ftp server and sunrpc, I couldnt get the ftp server work well |
| 13:15:31 | xtmdster | I'm looking at wireless cards now as an alternative. |
| 13:16:04 | numatrix | akawaka: You can use the ftp port built into port 4242. |
| 13:16:14 | nr | xtmdster: it's the easiest way, imho |
| 13:16:27 | xtmdster | Thanks, nr. |
| 13:16:41 | numatrix | Or run a webserver on your desktop and use wget on the zaurus. |
| 13:16:46 | xtmdster | Do they work 'right out of the box'? |
| 13:17:14 | numatrix | xtmdster: If you've gotten ethernet over usb working. |
| 13:17:19 | nr | I installed OpenZaurus and now it's perfect, I have ssh, scp |
| 13:17:33 | numatrix | xtmdster: The zaurus wasn't (strangely enough) marketed to be used with Linux desktops as sold by sharp. |
| 13:17:38 | nr | via wifi |
| 13:18:15 | numatrix | xtmdster: Which is interesting of course given that the device itself is running linux, but whatever. That's why there's currently no 'out of the box' solution for linux-linux zaurus-desktop connection. The instructions aren't that hard though for usb over ethernet, I hear. |
| 13:18:34 | numatrix | nr: Yeah, that's how I do all my connectivity. |
| 13:18:41 | xtmdster | Heh. I didn't ever get it working, numatrix. And I didn't realize that about the Z until after I'd bought it. |
| 13:18:43 | numatrix | nr: ssh is easy enough to install on the sharp rom as well. |
| 13:19:10 | akawaka | i have a wireless card, but my wireless ap is in a box far away |
| 13:19:23 | numatrix | xtmdster: A wireless card and any of the other methods mentioned above are the best in my opinion. |
| 13:20:16 | xtmdster | I've literally put over a week into ethernet over usb and I can't get it to work. That's why I'm so willing to buy anything that will work. |
| 13:20:54 | xtmdster | Hell, I'd pay someone to install it for me. |
| 13:21:27 | nr | xtmdster: I think the best would be to set up ethernet over usb, then put a ssh server package on a cf or sd and install the ssh server on the z |
| 13:21:42 | nr | not hard to do |
| 13:22:15 | akawaka | xtmdster: what kind of problems are you having? |
| 13:22:31 | nr | xtmdster: can you ping your z ? |
| 13:22:53 | xtmdster | Well, if you're up for some questions I'll keep trying. But I literally have over a week of time into it and no luck. |
| 13:23:08 | xtmdster | No, I can't ping it. |
| 13:24:13 | xtmdster | akawaka: I followed the howto and didn't get any major errors. It just doesn't work. |
| 13:24:32 | xtmdster | I had to install part of the patch manually. |
| 13:26:14 | nr | anyone knows what sunrpc on port 111 is for ? |
| 13:26:51 | benmeyer | moring |
| 13:26:55 | xtmdster | I didn't get any usb0 interface. |
| 13:27:17 | xtmdster | When I put it in the cradle it says its eth0. |
| 13:27:32 | benmeyer | 802.11 box fell off of the cube wall, hitting the power switch on/off button shutting down all of Jason and I's computers last night Very odd |
| 13:28:07 | ljp | hehee |
| 13:29:16 | | bigboss was last seen on #opie 16 hours, 26 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: c-ya [Mon Oct 14 15:02:31 2002] |
| 13:29:16 | bipolar | ibot seen bigboss? |
| 13:38:24 | Twiun | hiya ben |
| 13:40:47 | benmeyer | hey |
| 13:42:21 | xtmdster | nr: You still there? |
| 13:44:23 | numatrix | benmeyer: That's just what the want you to think. ;-) |
| 13:48:07 | Piete | nr: bash-2.05a$ cat /etc/services | grep 111 |
| 13:48:07 | Piete | sunrpc 111/tcp rpcbind #SUN Remote Procedure Call |
| 13:50:00 | nr | xtmdster: still here |
| 13:51:35 | xtmdster | I just wanted to ask if I need usb working to install something I need to make my wireless cards work. |
| 13:54:11 | | killefiz was last seen on #openzaurus 15 hours, 10 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: mark: i even added a warning to the submit page - but people keep submitting windows apps - it could be some sort of automated mechanism that submits that stuff [Mon Oct 14 16:43:13 2002] |
| 13:54:11 | benmeyer | ibot seen killefiz |
| 13:54:19 | Piete | xtmdster: for wireless you don't have to do anything with USB :) |
| 13:54:21 | nr | if you have a wireless card you needn't usb |
| 13:56:02 | xtmdster | Ah, so I can flash new roms, synch, install software... all that good stuff. As if usb had never been invented. |
| 13:56:08 | xtmdster | Cool. |
| 13:58:40 | nr | not sure for syncing, never tried |
| 14:06:43 | Piete | xtmdster: what seems to be the prob with usb syncing? I just addedd support in my kernel, it took only 2 minutes (literally)... |
| 14:07:06 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 14:08:12 | Piete | morning :) |
| 14:11:58 | benmeyer | If you own a cd can you download the ogg files off a p2p network or does it have to be your own files? |
| 14:12:35 | ljp_work | I like this screenshot-> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=627 |
| 14:13:06 | numatrix | ljp: the blank screen one? |
| 14:13:07 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 14:13:08 | chouimat|coffee | benmeyer: hmmm good question and any way who cares, beside the RIAA? |
| 14:13:41 | benmeyer | just curius |
| 14:13:46 | numatrix | benmeyer: I usually make my own digital copies, but it is a good question. I don't know that it's really been answered because nobody's actually been taken to court for doing it. |
| 14:13:51 | benmeyer | testing out qtella for the zaurus |
| 14:13:55 | numatrix | benmeyer: And probably won't for good reason. |
| 14:14:26 | benmeyer | ok, just curius |
| 14:14:47 | chouimat|coffee | numatrix: and anyway the RIAA lost on "Single hit Wonders" and "Single" but they made more money on lesser-known artist |
| 14:15:25 | Piete | hi XavierXeon |
| 14:15:30 | XavierXeon | hello |
| 14:15:46 | bipolar | Hey! I just heard on Howard Stern that the woman on Microsofts site that switched from mac to windows actualy switched when she started working for Microsoft! ;-) |
| 14:15:56 | numatrix | bipolar: yeah, it was on slashdot |
| 14:16:01 | XavierXeon | what a suprise |
| 14:16:23 | bipolar | numatrix: Yeah.... But it's on HOWARD STERN! lol |
| 14:16:45 | numatrix | bipolar: :-) That is pretty funny. |
| 14:16:57 | hash | for usb-eth/usbdnet is there a way to tell what the ip is on the other side from the host, right after usb0 comes up? |
| 14:16:58 | Piete | bipolar: yah, was on slashdot :) |
| 14:19:06 | hash | i have two handhelds, and they have different ips |
| 14:19:22 | hash | so i need to route add differently |
| 14:25:08 | stevnblinux | Can anyone help me with vnc server for my Z? |
| 14:25:20 | stevnblinux | I have installed it but it does not seem to be working correctly. |
| 14:26:25 | stevnblinux | I have icons for vnc server halt, vnc server minimal, vnc server w/ panel, and vnc server w/ split panel. When I click on any of them, they dont do anything. I try to connect to my Z from remote system using vnc client and I get no reply. |
| 14:26:47 | stevnblinux | ping of Z from remote client gets a reply though. |
| 14:31:00 | ljp_work | did you reboot? |
| 14:31:58 | Piete | stevnblinux: are you telling it to use the right desktop? it should look something like www.xxx.yyy.zzz:0 |
| 14:32:08 | xtmdster | Sorry, Piete. I was away. Are you still there? |
| 14:32:21 | Piete | xtmdster: erm, I hope so :) |
| 14:33:38 | xtmdster | Hehe. |
| 14:34:05 | numatrix | benmeyer: ping |
| 14:34:54 | xtmdster | Ok, its been a saga. It comes down to it don't work. I'll be happy to go into more detail if you think you can help. |
| 14:35:43 | Piete | xtmdster: well, to tell you the truth, I don't even have a zaurus yet :) |
| 14:35:53 | Piete | xtmdster: :) |
| 14:36:01 | Piete | yo Stripes_ |
| 14:36:11 | xtmdster | Well, I appreciate the thought :-) |
| 14:36:24 | xtmdster | Hell, ya want to buy mine? |
| 14:36:28 | Piete | xtmdster: try asking on Zaurus Zone :) |
| 14:36:49 | Piete | xtmdster: I already puchased mine, it'll prolly arrive tomorrow or the day after |
| 14:36:54 | xtmdster | That's an irc channel? |
| 14:37:04 | Piete | xtmdster: its a message board |
| 14:37:15 | | Piete: huh? |
| 14:37:15 | Piete | ibot: zaurus zone |
| 14:37:18 | | zauruszone is, like, a site run by Jason Perlow located at http://www.zauruszone.com but it's usually down |
| 14:37:18 | Piete | ibot: zauruszone |
| 14:37:27 | anselor|home | numatrix: think i should pester sharp support again or just wait? |
| 14:37:32 | Piete | (ignore the usually down part) |
| 14:37:50 | Piete | xtmdster: go to that url |
| 14:38:02 | Piete | xtmdster: it really is the best place for support ;) |
| 14:38:17 | Piete | ibot help |
| 14:38:20 | xtmdster | I've been there but I'll look again. Thanks. |
| 14:39:02 | Piete | xtmdster: ok :) |
| 14:39:10 | xtmdster | I don't think sharp supports linux stuff. Am I wrong? |
| 14:40:37 | Piete | dunnpo |
| 14:40:37 | numatrix | anselor|home: At this point, since support has it, I'd leave it with them. |
| 14:40:40 | Piete | dunno |
| 14:41:37 | numatrix | zauruszone is usually down? Not lately... |
| 14:43:30 | Piete | nope |
| 14:43:40 | Piete | I wonder how to update ibot |
| 14:47:05 | | OK, ljp_work. |
| 14:47:05 | ljp_work | ibot: Piete is wondering how to update ibot |
| 14:47:24 | | i think Piete is wondering how to update ibot |
| 14:47:24 | ljp_work | ibot Piete |
| 14:47:28 | Piete | lol |
| 14:47:33 | Piete | damn you |
| 14:47:33 | Piete | :) |
| 14:47:47 | | ljp_work: I forgot piete |
| 14:47:47 | ljp_work | ibot forget Piete |
| 14:48:01 | | OK, Piete. |
| 14:48:01 | Piete | ibot ljp_work is growing bald |
| 14:48:08 | | ljp_work is growing bald |
| 14:48:08 | Piete | ibot ljp_work |
| 14:48:48 | Piete | ok, updated :) thanks ljp_work:) |
| 14:48:58 | Piete | forget ljp_work |
| 14:49:04 | | Piete: I forgot ljp_work |
| 14:49:04 | Piete | ibot forget ljp_work |
| 14:49:14 | | zauruszone is a site run by Jason Perlow located at http://www.zauruszone.com |
| 14:49:14 | Piete | ibot zauruszone |
| 14:51:32 | Piete | ibot is cool :) |
| 14:51:44 | | rumour has it hash is to chop (as meat and potatoes) into small pieces |
| 14:51:44 | hash | ibot hash |
| 14:52:06 | Piete | lol |
| 14:52:15 | | The Slackware distribution. URL: http://www.slackware.com/ |
| 14:52:15 | Piete | ibot slackware |
| 14:52:32 | Piete | neat :) |
| 14:58:58 | ljp_work | ibot help |
| 15:01:59 | Piete | insult Piete |
| 15:02:08 | | You are nothing but a low-quality pile of puking snake snot. |
| 15:02:08 | Piete | ibot insult Piete |
| 15:02:15 | Piete | lol |
| 15:03:28 | | QWest is nothing but a low-quality stack of fool-born anal warts. |
| 15:03:28 | ljp_work | ibot insult QWest |
| 15:03:29 | | You are nothing but an ill-borne mound of squishy poopy. |
| 15:03:29 | Twiun | ibot insult Twiun |
| 15:03:33 | | You are nothing but a low-quality accumulation of gorbellied yoo-hoo. |
| 15:03:33 | Twiun | ibot insult Twiun |
| 15:03:40 | zecke | ljp_work: hi |
| 15:03:45 | ljp_work | hey zecke |
| 15:03:51 | Twiun | hmmm... going to take this privately... need to get a better insult ;-) |
| 15:03:53 | zecke | ljp_work: do you happen to know what to do with the serial cable of the Zaurus? |
| 15:04:01 | chouimat|coffee | thinks that opie todo sucks |
| 15:04:12 | ljp_work | no, I dont have one. |
| 15:04:13 | zecke | ljp_work: which major/minor number does it use |
| 15:04:32 | zecke | thinks chouimat|coffee should improve his braint to obsolete todo... |
| 15:04:39 | | it has been said that zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 15:04:39 | Piete | ibot zaurus |
| 15:04:52 | chouimat|coffee | zecke: ? |
| 15:05:08 | ljp_work | is it ttyS1? |
| 15:05:11 | zecke | chouimat|coffee: do not say anything about opie pim |
| 15:05:19 | chouimat|coffee | give a coffee to kergoth |
| 15:05:23 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:05:29 | zecke | kergoth: which device does the serial cable bind to? |
| 15:05:30 | ljp_work | kergoth mayb know. did you get a serial cable? |
| 15:05:31 | kergoth | thanks chouimat |
| 15:05:31 | Twiun | hiya kergoth |
| 15:05:53 | kergoth | its ttyS0 |
| 15:05:56 | kergoth | iirc |
| 15:05:58 | kergoth | let me double check |
| 15:06:00 | chouimat|coffee | zecke: :) I can't check completed task in it that all |
| 15:06:06 | ljp_work | thinks serial cables should have been included with the developer version |
| 15:06:06 | Twiun | ljp_work: how goes it? |
| 15:06:08 | kergoth | i havent had coffee yet, and i only went to sleep 3 1/2 hours ago |
| 15:06:12 | kergoth | ljp_work: agreed |
| 15:06:23 | zecke | chouimat|coffee: which version? |
| 15:06:24 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 15:06:31 | zecke | chouimat|coffee: do you've show completed checked? |
| 15:06:41 | ljp_work | twiun: I'm ok |
| 15:07:13 | chouimat|coffee | zecke: yes it show the completed check (the one that were completed on my palm before the transfert) |
| 15:07:28 | chouimat|coffee | zecke: the one from friday cvs |
| 15:07:42 | ljp_work | wonders where the usb ports are on his vercel |
| 15:11:04 | BigBoss | howdy |
| 15:11:16 | Piete | hi :) |
| 15:11:26 | kergoth | hey BigBoss |
| 15:11:43 | Twiun | hey BB, Jason |
| 15:11:43 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin everyone |
| 15:11:49 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 15:11:49 | Twiun | bows to Cloudchaser |
| 15:11:53 | Cloudchaser | *really* hates job hunting! |
| 15:12:34 | Twiun | completely agrees |
| 15:12:35 | | well, oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021011_1801/ |
| 15:12:35 | JasonNJ | ibot oz prerelease |
| 15:12:54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: new prerelease today. if its stable enough, i'll call it released and be done with it. |
| 15:12:57 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: I'm going to turn down the Accenture offer... too little money and bad IP clause |
| 15:12:57 | Cloudchaser | any luck for you Twiun? |
| 15:13:03 | zecke | JasonNJ: do you know device name is behind the serial cable? |
| 15:13:04 | JasonNJ | cool. I'll wait then. |
| 15:13:11 | Cloudchaser | ah..IP clause? |
| 15:13:26 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: Intellectual Property... copyrights and such |
| 15:13:36 | Cloudchaser | ah yes, i will NEVER sign another non-compete |
| 15:13:45 | Cloudchaser | i had one with jannon/nec |
| 15:13:56 | Cloudchaser | but since they laid me off, all bets are off |
| 15:14:04 | Cloudchaser | they can take me to court for all i care |
| 15:14:20 | BigBoss | they can't stop you from working |
| 15:14:26 | Cloudchaser | i know |
| 15:14:32 | BigBoss | they can stop you from passing on trade secrets |
| 15:14:38 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: this one's a pain: the contract is to be outsourced (me) to just about anyone, but anything I do in my own time which *isn't* _totally unconnected_ with my employment belongs to them??? |
| 15:14:42 | BigBoss | but almost all non-competes are unenforcable |
| 15:15:13 | Cloudchaser | true but they can tie you up in court too, which they did for others |
| 15:15:24 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: as a developer I feel that just means I should twiddle my thumbs at home instead of the risk of tainting open source projects |
| 15:15:38 | Cloudchaser | but, one of the owners who sold us to nec just got laid off too i heard |
| 15:15:48 | Cloudchaser | the other one got done in feb :) |
| 15:15:55 | Twiun | it's a harsh job market at the moment |
| 15:16:01 | Cloudchaser | yep sure is |
| 15:16:06 | kergoth | harsh is an understatement |
| 15:18:34 | ljp_work | unless your a kernel driver writer |
| 15:18:46 | ljp_work | or care to work at Raytheon |
| 15:18:50 | Twiun | in which case it's non-existant? |
| 15:19:06 | ljp_work | no there's alot of kernel writing jobs |
| 15:19:40 | Twiun | not a lot of jobs where they pay well either.... accenture just wants postgrads so it can screw them over ;-) |
| 15:21:10 | Cloudchaser | cool i just called a guy who wanted me to freelance for him a while back |
| 15:21:17 | Cloudchaser | he might have some part-time leading to full time :0 |
| 15:21:21 | Cloudchaser | that would work |
| 15:21:49 | Cloudchaser | i can't collect unemployment for 12 weeks anyway |
| 15:22:02 | ljp_work | freelance? writing? |
| 15:22:13 | Cloudchaser | so i'd rather do something to earn money so i don't have to use savings/severence |
| 15:22:23 | Cloudchaser | no freelance network stuff |
| 15:22:35 | Cloudchaser | i was working in nyc at the time though |
| 15:23:15 | Cloudchaser | i did some work for him a while back and he's a few times tried to get me to do part time work for him |
| 15:23:42 | Twiun | Nice networking ;-) |
| 15:23:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe have a couple *possibles* from people i've worked with |
| 15:24:07 | Cloudchaser | one is a company made up of ex-jannon employees |
| 15:24:21 | Cloudchaser | thats the one i'm hoping for |
| 15:25:25 | Twiun | this looks interesting: http://theregister.co.uk/content/59/27609.html |
| 15:25:56 | Piete | Twiun: yes, its is :) |
| 15:28:02 | zecke | kergoth: aye aye |
| 15:28:51 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 15:29:43 | ljp_work | alot of top secret job in denver lately |
| 15:29:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe neat, i can't get top secret clearance |
| 15:30:05 | Cloudchaser | or i couldn't when i was in the airforce |
| 15:30:13 | Cloudchaser | just a secret...which i had |
| 15:30:22 | Cloudchaser | i talk in my sleep ;) |
| 15:31:44 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 15:31:49 | numatrix | benmeyer: Wasn't somebody working on a mud client for the dev challenge? Did that app ever get made? |
| 15:32:21 | | No results were found searching ZFI for 'mud'. |
| 15:32:21 | Piete | ibot: search zfi for mud |
| 15:32:31 | | NetHack >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=528 |
| 15:32:32 | | opie-nethack >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=446 |
| 15:32:33 | | opie-nethack-sounds >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=445 |
| 15:32:34 | | 3 of 4 shown. See all at http://zaurii.com/zfi/index.phtml?p=r&r=nethack |
| 15:32:34 | Piete | ibot: search zfi for nethack |
| 15:32:41 | Piete | cool |
| 15:32:47 | Twiun | numatrix: I think there was... fantasykingdom or something? |
| 15:33:10 | Twiun | numatrix: I think I remember the guy was having problems with the shitty Jeode |
| 15:34:16 | numatrix | Twiun: no, there was one that I remember that was not java. |
| 15:34:23 | numatrix | Twiun: though I hadn't heard about that one. |
| 15:34:42 | Twiun | numatrix: lemme if I can dig up some more info |
| 15:34:51 | numatrix | They guy sent me an early beta and it was pretty nifty. |
| 15:34:57 | numatrix | The guy, rather. |
| 15:36:02 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 15:38:07 | Twiun | numatrix: http://qpmud.sourceforge.net/ but that seems rather old |
| 15:38:28 | numatrix | Twiun: yeah, I think that's it. |
| 15:38:34 | stevnblinux | Piete, no, I was simply putting in the 111.222.333.444 ip address. I did not put in a :0 or anything following. Is there a way with the vncserver to determine which desktop info it is defaulting to? |
| 15:38:59 | Twiun | numatrix: and I found the java one http://www.cabochon.com/zaurus/ |
| 15:39:08 | numatrix | Twiun: thanks. |
| 15:39:32 | Cloudchaser | iirc vnc server will let you in to either usb address or nic address |
| 15:39:44 | numatrix | Twiun: that java one I've played with before, it's not a plain mud client, it's specific to one particular online game. Pretty nifty looking, but slow. |
| 15:39:47 | Cloudchaser | the vnc server on the z that is |
| 15:40:15 | Twiun | numatrix: gotcha... I'm not surprised, the gui looks very overloaded |
| 15:40:23 | Piete | stevnblinux: I mat be wrong, but try specifying a :0 (thats a zero) after the Z's IP... By the way, can you ping etc the zaurus? |
| 15:41:03 | Twiun | anyone been here before? http://www.linuxlinks.com/PDA/Zaurus/ |
| 15:41:03 | stevnblinux | Piete: I have tried that now and I still get "Unable to connect to VNC server". Yes, I can ping the Z. |
| 15:42:07 | Piete | stevnblinux: sorry, then I don't know (I've not used vnc with the Z before.. Only over the internet between my boxen) |
| 15:42:39 | BigBoss | Twiun: they seem to be doing some fairly decent reviews |
| 15:43:00 | stevnblinux | When I tap the VNC Server icon on the Z, it shows the hour glass like it is loading but it does not appear to complete the load and just sits there like it is thinking. |
| 15:43:08 | Twiun | BigBoss: yeah and they also seem to cover a lot of stuff |
| 15:43:38 | Cloudchaser | yes that's normal |
| 15:43:41 | BigBoss | yea, as a general site they are loaded |
| 15:44:14 | Twiun | *sniff* but they don't have my java faq... |
| 15:44:22 | Twiun | goes to cry in his corner |
| 15:44:23 | Cloudchaser | stevnblinux: did you try to connect after you turned on the server? |
| 15:44:31 | Cloudchaser | pats Twiun |
| 15:44:40 | numatrix | Twiun: really? You should let them know... |
| 15:44:44 | Twiun | I'll rectify that now methinks |
| 15:46:37 | Twiun | done... looks like their stuff id moderated, cool |
| 15:46:44 | Twiun | /id/is/ |
| 15:52:19 | Piete | yo ivan |
| 15:52:38 | ivan | hello |
| 15:53:23 | stevnblinux | Cloudchaser: Yes, but, I dont think the server is actually turning on. |
| 15:53:36 | stevnblinux | The icon shows the star burst pattern like it is still trying to load the server. |
| 15:54:13 | kergoth | stevnblinux: harmless. |
| 15:54:17 | kergoth | stevnblinux: its running it fine. |
| 15:54:22 | Twiun | stevnblinux: there isn't any other visual indication that it's running ;-) |
| 15:54:53 | stevnblinux | kergoth: Twiun: Usually, the application icon goes back to a normal icon once the app is running doesnt it? |
| 15:54:59 | kergoth | stevnblinux: YES |
| 15:55:03 | kergoth | stevnblinux: and this isnt a normal app |
| 15:55:06 | kergoth | stevnblinux: its a shell script |
| 15:55:15 | kergoth | stevnblinux: which doesnt interact as well |
| 15:55:15 | stevnblinux | So, if it is running, any idea why I cant connect? |
| 15:55:18 | kergoth | stevnblinux: its *harmless* |
| 15:55:21 | kergoth | not offhand. |
| 15:55:31 | zecke | kergoth: woot opie-console is working on the Zaurus |
| 15:55:39 | kergoth | zecke: nice! |
| 15:55:40 | stevnblinux | kergoth: k. thx. |
| 15:55:43 | Twiun | stevnblinux: have you tried running vnc from the command line? |
| 15:55:50 | stevnblinux | Twiun: on the Z? |
| 15:55:52 | stevnblinux | no. |
| 15:55:53 | Twiun | yeah |
| 15:56:02 | Twiun | if something went wrong you'd see it |
| 15:56:07 | scanline | is back (gone 00:27:16) |
| 15:56:25 | zecke | I'm leaving now |
| 15:56:25 | zecke | cu |
| 15:58:56 | benmeyer | kergoth: get around to e-mailing me those debian instructions? |
| 15:59:47 | Piete | is away: sleep |
| 15:59:56 | stevnblinux | Twiun: where is the vncserver file supposed to be located on the Z? |
| 16:00:38 | benmeyer | Anyone tried loading X11 on the Z, and then XHosting qpe? |
| 16:00:44 | benmeyer | via qvfb? |
| 16:00:44 | Twiun | stevnblinux: /opt/QtPalmtop/bin |
| 16:01:05 | Twiun | stevnblinux: take your pick of scripts... I use the minimal one |
| 16:01:14 | benmeyer | thinks of saying some more acronims, but getting dizzy |
| 16:03:43 | stevnblinux | Twiun: I get messages: vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused |
| 16:03:51 | stevnblinux | Unable to connect to VNC server |
| 16:04:00 | stevnblinux | when I try to connect after starting the server on the Z. |
| 16:04:13 | stevnblinux | Ping of same address works fine. |
| 16:04:29 | BigBoss | god, I've gotten 13 Nigerian scam emails so far today |
| 16:04:30 | stevnblinux | No errors when starting vnc server from command line on Z. |
| 16:05:12 | ljp_work | just wait till you get the South African scam emails |
| 16:06:16 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 16:06:19 | BigBoss | well some are congo |
| 16:06:30 | BigBoss | I'm getting them from other countries now too, just forget which |
| 16:07:35 | stevnblinux | Twiun: Nothing shows in ps on z for vnc server running. |
| 16:08:54 | Cloudchaser | did you install the library it requires? |
| 16:08:59 | Cloudchaser | i tihnk its zlib |
| 16:09:15 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 16:09:33 | BigBoss | hi chouimat |
| 16:09:42 | BigBoss | I'm listening to some polish progrock right now |
| 16:09:48 | BigBoss | http://www.dejavu.art.pl/mp3.htm |
| 16:09:50 | BigBoss | it's not bad |
| 16:10:01 | chouimat | BigBoss: got a big jam this weekend |
| 16:10:10 | BigBoss | you're playing? |
| 16:10:18 | chouimat | BigBoss: yes |
| 16:11:09 | BigBoss | what instrument? |
| 16:11:19 | chouimat | BigBoss: drums |
| 16:11:20 | ljp_work | clarinet |
| 16:11:45 | benmeyer | probably see you all tomarow |
| 16:11:48 | benmeyer | Loading Debian! |
| 16:11:53 | benmeyer | no more red hat |
| 16:11:54 | ljp_work | ohh.. you one of _those_ people l) |
| 16:11:55 | benmeyer | weee |
| 16:12:04 | chouimat | benmeyer: gentoo |
| 16:12:06 | BigBoss | chouimat: how many drums do you use? |
| 16:12:14 | BigBoss | yea, I'm converting from debian to gentoo I think |
| 16:12:22 | tux_mike | ben: getting rid of RH 8? |
| 16:12:28 | ljp_work | debain ,eh? |
| 16:12:28 | ljp_work | I just installed debian also.. what pain in the ass! |
| 16:12:39 | BigBoss | it literally took me a week on my apple laptop |
| 16:12:47 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:12:54 | kergoth | debian goes in clean and easy on every box i've loaded it on |
| 16:12:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:13:05 | ljp_work | debian installed xfree86, but didnt install any fonts |
| 16:13:07 | BigBoss | try it on apple, the boot loader is the bitch |
| 16:13:18 | chouimat | BigBoss: 2 bass drums, 2 snares, tom: 8,10,12,13,14,15 floor tom: 16 and 18 and a another 22 bass drum used as gong bass |
| 16:13:31 | BigBoss | chouimat: dude - 2 snares? |
| 16:13:31 | kergoth | BigBoss: ah, dont own a powerpc |
| 16:13:40 | BigBoss | that's a killer kit |
| 16:13:51 | chouimat | BigBoss: and about 15 cymbals |
| 16:14:00 | BigBoss | I might get my son a purely electronic kit for noise abatement purposes :) |
| 16:14:04 | ljp_work | do you drum like Jon Bohnam? |
| 16:14:12 | BigBoss | chouimat: too bad you don't live in california and we could play :) |
| 16:14:21 | chouimat | ljp_work: no Gene Hogland |
| 16:14:34 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe |
| 16:14:36 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 16:14:36 | ljp_work | kieth moon was my next guess |
| 16:14:43 | BigBoss | Mike Portnoy |
| 16:15:10 | chouimat | BigBoss: we play a kind of Progressive Death Metal |
| 16:15:40 | ljp_work | or the guy from Def Lepard |
| 16:15:55 | BigBoss | rikkus would probably like that then :) |
| 16:15:56 | chouimat | ljp_work: name some real band :) |
| 16:16:04 | chouimat | BigBoss: lol |
| 16:16:05 | ljp_work | hehe hmm |
| 16:16:07 | BigBoss | yea, no kidding :) |
| 16:16:09 | ljp_work | the Doors? |
| 16:16:13 | BigBoss | Savatage |
| 16:16:19 | BigBoss | Pain of Salvation |
| 16:16:23 | BigBoss | Dali's Dilema |
| 16:16:27 | BigBoss | Lemur Voice |
| 16:16:31 | BigBoss | Vanden Plas |
| 16:16:32 | chouimat | BigBoss: rikkus doesn't like Dream Theater |
| 16:16:58 | BigBoss | chouimat: he didn't care for Pain of Salvation much either, too dramatic for him. I pointed him to Event, which I think he would like |
| 16:17:00 | chouimat | BigBoss: Spiral Architect |
| 16:17:09 | ljp_work | Spinal Tap! |
| 16:17:15 | BigBoss | Kamelot |
| 16:17:23 | chouimat | BigBoss: send him some Arch Enemy and I did like that |
| 16:17:30 | BigBoss | I just heard Evergrey for the first time yesterday, they are also good |
| 16:17:30 | chouimat | I=he |
| 16:17:52 | chouimat | BigBoss: yes they are good but the album is 35$ here :( |
| 16:18:19 | BigBoss | I get it for free because of my radio station :) |
| 16:18:35 | chouimat | BigBoss: :( |
| 16:19:05 | BigBoss | god, I just realized I haven't played any instruments in weeks. I was practicing every day there for that audition and now I'm forgetting again |
| 16:19:40 | chouimat | BigBoss: :) |
| 16:19:43 | BigBoss | I was thinking of picking up a nice 6 string accoustic, I've got a 12 and a nylon and a couple electrics and my Warr guitar, but I miss a nice 6 string accoustic |
| 16:20:04 | BigBoss | I need to get an accoustic piano, playing synths all the time, I'm loosing my finger strength |
| 16:20:11 | ljp_work | well, ya known... once youreach a certain level of professioanlism, you no longer need to practise to keep up the chops |
| 16:20:40 | chouimat | BigBoss: I need to repair my violin, didn't play in 14 years |
| 16:21:00 | BigBoss | sure you do, the muscles have to be kept in tone just like any other muscle |
| 16:21:24 | stevnblinux | So, does anyone have any idea of why I get Connection Refused from my Z when I try to connect to it with VNC? |
| 16:21:53 | chouimat | ljp_work: after 5 months, you lose 4-way independance on the drums |
| 16:22:13 | BigBoss | i use to practice playing drums right handed and then left handed just for the hell of it |
| 16:22:29 | BigBoss | I can play a beat in almost any time signature, but I can't do fills and crap like that |
| 16:22:45 | ljp_work | notices no one realized I was joking |
| 16:22:47 | chouimat | BigBoss: 4way independance his very difficult to have |
| 16:23:21 | ljp_work | its easy with a drum machine! |
| 16:23:44 | chouimat | ljp_work: :) |
| 16:23:45 | BigBoss | programming a drum machine is a PITA |
| 16:23:50 | BigBoss | chouimat: absolutely |
| 16:24:08 | BigBoss | I had a DrumKat controller and I'd play the drums into the drum machine and multi pass it |
| 16:24:21 | BigBoss | sometimes quantizing it to force it onto the beat exactly had some interesting effects |
| 16:24:32 | chouimat | BigBoss: I'm now able to play samba beat all by myself, no need to have 3 guys on the percussions |
| 16:24:44 | BigBoss | chouimat: pretty damn good :) |
| 16:24:58 | BigBoss | god, what is the name of the drummer in Planet X again? that guy is amazing like that |
| 16:25:13 | BigBoss | Bruford is another guy that could do amazing polyrythms |
| 16:25:21 | BigBoss | Stewart copeland is another |
| 16:25:25 | chouimat | BigBoss: every limbs play a differents pattern |
| 16:25:31 | chouimat | BigBoss: Bobby Rocks too |
| 16:25:33 | BigBoss | as good as Portnoy is, I don't think he does polyrythms |
| 16:26:35 | chouimat | BigBoss: polyrythms needs a good concentration, can't do them more than 2 minutes after that I screwed the beat :) |
| 16:26:44 | Twiun | stevnblinux: Cloudchaser mentionned zlib... did you install it? |
| 16:27:19 | chouimat | BigBoss: Barrymore Barlow is able to do that, if my memory serve me well |
| 16:27:22 | stevnblinux | I must have missed that earlier. I will check. |
| 16:27:40 | BigBoss | chouimat: I also like to do simple things like 2 handed arpegiated sequences in 7 on the keyboard while everyone else plays in 4/4 - provides an interesting tension |
| 16:27:55 | chouimat | yup |
| 16:27:57 | BigBoss | chouimat: who does Barlow play with? the name doesn't ring a bell |
| 16:28:05 | | benmeyer is, like, the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 16:28:05 | kergoth | ibot benmeyer |
| 16:28:10 | kergoth | whats ben's sharpsec.com address? |
| 16:28:25 | chouimat | BigBoss: first Malmsteen album and something called Jethro Tull |
| 16:29:05 | chouimat | BigBoss: that polish band his good |
| 16:29:09 | BigBoss | Oh yea, now I remember the name |
| 16:29:24 | BigBoss | chouimat: yes, they aren't bad at all - they are going to send me an english language version of their CD soon |
| 16:29:31 | stevnblinux | Bingo!!!! That did it. Twiun: Cloudchaser: Thanks. |
| 16:30:13 | Cloudchaser | stevnblinux: you were missing the zlib? |
| 16:30:22 | stevnblinux | yep. |
| 16:30:32 | chouimat | BigBoss: some friends did an album this year |
| 16:31:23 | BigBoss | if it fits, have them send it to me |
| 16:32:08 | Twiun | stevnblinux: well done, you're now in vnc heaven, right? |
| 16:32:29 | chouimat | BigBoss: I can send you a sample |
| 16:32:42 | Cloudchaser | vnc is awesome |
| 16:33:11 | BigBoss | chouimat: please do |
| 16:33:27 | stevnblinux | Twiun: Well, kind of.:( |
| 16:33:54 | stevnblinux | Every time I click on anything in the vnc session, the z resets the connection and I have to reconnect. |
| 16:34:05 | Cloudchaser | after you install vnc you have to reboot and calibrate vnc |
| 16:34:27 | Cloudchaser | you might want to uninstall, then re-install vnc now that you have zlib |
| 16:34:39 | stevnblinux | Cloudchaser: k. will do. |
| 16:34:49 | Cloudchaser | tehn reboot z and calibrate it accoriding to the readme file that comes with vnc server |
| 16:35:16 | stevnblinux | Cloudchaser: Where might I find that readme? |
| 16:35:32 | Cloudchaser | hmm it should have come with vnc server |
| 16:36:07 | Cloudchaser | or maybe its on the website for vnc which you can get to from the link on zsi |
| 16:36:12 | stevnblinux | k |
| 16:36:17 | Cloudchaser | are you using sharp rom/fnbvnc? |
| 16:37:38 | stevnblinux | yes. |
| 16:38:59 | Cloudchaser | hmm don't see a readme.. |
| 16:39:05 | Cloudchaser | anyway just reboot the z |
| 16:39:33 | treke | yo. any recommendations for cheap cf cards? |
| 16:39:34 | Cloudchaser | then tap with your stylus in upper left and lower right of your screen |
| 16:39:51 | Cloudchaser | i think as soon as you start the vnc server you do this or, right away |
| 16:39:55 | Cloudchaser | i can't remember |
| 16:40:13 | stevnblinux | k |
| 16:42:34 | Cloudchaser | Once the PDA has rebooted, to use the server under X or with a framebuffer |
| 16:42:34 | Cloudchaser | application, simply run the VNC server manually in the background from the |
| 16:42:34 | Cloudchaser | command line (see below for options), then start your X environment or your |
| 16:42:34 | Cloudchaser | application. The order your start things up doesn't matter, you can run the VNC |
| 16:42:35 | Cloudchaser | server after the environment or the framebuffer application has started as well. |
| 16:42:39 | Cloudchaser | thats from the readme |
| 16:42:49 | Cloudchaser | which doesn't appear to be with the ipk any more |
| 16:43:05 | Cloudchaser | oops worry wrong paragraph |
| 16:43:23 | Cloudchaser | If your environment is Qtopia or Opie, you need to calibrate the touchscreen |
| 16:43:23 | Cloudchaser | emulation daemon. To do that, when the PDA has rebooted, tap as precisely as |
| 16:43:23 | Cloudchaser | you can the top-left corner, then the bottom-right corner of the display. Don't |
| 16:43:23 | Cloudchaser | worry if Qtopia reacts to your tappings, it doesn't understand that you're |
| 16:43:23 | Cloudchaser | doing a calibration because the daemon runs silently underneath it. |
| 16:43:34 | Cloudchaser | there |
| 16:45:06 | Cloudchaser | the readme also says that zlib has to be installed first |
| 16:45:19 | Cloudchaser | so..you should be fine after reinstalling it |
| 16:45:23 | tux_mike | god damn, i love users! |
| 16:45:30 | treke | ? |
| 16:45:30 | hardwire | well |
| 16:45:34 | Cloudchaser | hehe why's that tux_mike? |
| 16:45:38 | treke | tux_mike: never heard that before |
| 16:46:01 | hardwire | in order to be a user.. you should be profficient at using something |
| 16:46:05 | stevnblinux | well, i uninstalled the server, rebooted, re-installed the server, rebooted, and now, when I try to connect, it immediately just disconnects again with "Connection reset by peer". |
| 16:46:20 | Cloudchaser | what os on pc? |
| 16:46:25 | stevnblinux | RH 7.3 |
| 16:46:33 | Cloudchaser | you have any firewalling? |
| 16:46:33 | tux_mike | guy on the shop floor having problem with this scanning machine, turns out he friggin skipped a step |
| 16:46:48 | Cloudchaser | what sharp rom? |
| 16:47:03 | stevnblinux | 2.37 |
| 16:47:30 | Cloudchaser | ok you start vnc server and what address do you try to connect to? |
| 16:47:45 | Cloudchaser | and are you using vnc client or web browser to connect? |
| 16:48:03 | stevnblinux | vncviewer for Linux as client. |
| 16:48:13 | stevnblinux | putting in ip of z on my network. |
| 16:48:24 | stevnblinux | I get the screen, but it drops shortly after coming up. |
| 16:48:56 | Cloudchaser | odd |
| 16:49:02 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 16:49:12 | stevnblinux | The connection is good for one mouse click and then it resets. |
| 16:49:57 | Cloudchaser | do you have firewalling on your lan? |
| 16:50:24 | stevnblinux | yes between lan and internet. |
| 16:50:24 | hardwire | has firewalling on his brain |
| 16:51:54 | Cloudchaser | i'm stumped |
| 16:52:26 | Cloudchaser | i used 7.3 with the z for a while now |
| 16:52:50 | Cloudchaser | is your z in the cradle with usb plugged in? |
| 16:53:09 | stevnblinux | no, it is connecting wirelessly. |
| 16:53:14 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 16:54:11 | Cloudchaser | do you have ipchains or anything like that, iptables, on your linux box? |
| 16:54:33 | Twiun | stevnblinux: have you tried non-wirelessly, via the cradle? |
| 16:54:34 | stevnblinux | no |
| 16:55:04 | stevnblinux | Twiun: no, I am running on an Linux Terminal Server solution which has no locat connections for the cradle to be used. |
| 16:56:06 | Cloudchaser | is this for home or work? |
| 16:56:12 | stevnblinux | work. |
| 16:56:41 | Cloudchaser | do you control firewall tehre? |
| 16:56:47 | stevnblinux | yes. |
| 16:56:56 | Cloudchaser | is your pc on same subnet as the z? |
| 16:57:04 | stevnblinux | yes. |
| 16:57:21 | Twiun | offtopic... anyone been skiing to Austria before? |
| 16:57:32 | stevnblinux | Twiun: Yep. |
| 16:57:38 | BigBoss | I just bought Austria on ebay last week |
| 16:57:53 | Cloudchaser | is your wireless network behind firewall? |
| 16:57:59 | stevnblinux | Cloudchaser: yes. |
| 16:58:24 | Twiun | stevnblinux: any idea where I can find out when there'll be snow out there? |
| 16:58:38 | sig | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/17/1635218&mode=thread&tid=109 |
| 16:58:43 | BigBoss | there is always snow there :) |
| 16:58:48 | stevnblinux | lol. |
| 16:58:48 | Cloudchaser | well i oculd be way off, but it sounds like it could be some sort of firewall issue.. you are amking a connection but input makes it drop |
| 16:58:49 | stevnblinux | true. |
| 16:58:57 | Cloudchaser | not sure of the port situation of vnc at all |
| 16:59:17 | stevnblinux | Cloudchaser: well, thx anyhow, I will troubleshoot it some more and see what I can come up with. |
| 16:59:22 | Twiun | BigBoss: depends on the altitude doesn't it? |
| 16:59:27 | stevnblinux | Thanks for the help in getting it this far. |
| 16:59:30 | Cloudchaser | ok i'd be interested to know what you come up with |
| 16:59:31 | stevnblinux | Twiun: Nope. |
| 16:59:38 | stevnblinux | Cloudchaser: k. |
| 16:59:39 | BigBoss | that's an old story |
| 16:59:40 | Cloudchaser | and sorry i couldn't help further |
| 17:00:00 | stevnblinux | Twiun: The Austrian Alps are so darned tall that they have snow year round.:) |
| 17:00:33 | Twiun | stevnblinux: right ;-) I get worried because of things like this - http://www.equity.co.uk/snowreports/may.asp |
| 17:00:45 | Twiun | stevnblinux: I'm trying to book 7 days from dec 14 |
| 17:01:38 | stevnblinux | The zugspitz (spelling?) should have plenty of snow. That mountain is so tall I would swear it has snow during the hottest part of summer.:) |
| 17:02:13 | stevnblinux | The tram ride up it is awesome and the train ride down is fun too. |
| 17:02:13 | Twiun | cool |
| 17:02:27 | Twiun | grins in anticipation |
| 17:02:48 | Twiun | all I need to do now is reconcile myself to part with some money... |
| 17:02:54 | stevnblinux | The tram goes nearly straight up 12k feet and lets you off at a small lodge where a 2nd tram takes you over the top to the hotel and skiing area's. |
| 17:03:42 | Twiun | sounds good |
| 17:03:50 | stevnblinux | If you make it there, dont be fooled by the ski bowl on the zugspitz. You can ski all the way around it to the one true chair lift which goes to the very top of the mountain. DONT try to ski through the bowl though. |
| 17:04:00 | stevnblinux | I tried and nearly killed myself.:) |
| 17:04:36 | stevnblinux | Had to walk off the mountain to the train due to broken ski and poles. |
| 17:04:41 | BigBoss | sheesh |
| 17:05:04 | Twiun | wow |
| 17:05:16 | stevnblinux | What a time though. It was an awesome place to be and the skiing was phenomenal. |
| 17:05:44 | stevnblinux | Garmisch-Partenkirschen is the most beautiful place on earth I have seen yet. |
| 17:06:14 | stevnblinux | Check out the Linderhof and Neuschwanstein castles if you can. They are amazing and are very close to Garmisch. |
| 17:06:50 | stevnblinux | Well, I have to go. Enjoy everyone and thanks again for the help. |
| 17:06:58 | stevnblinux | Twiun: Have fun. |
| 17:20:38 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 15:05:50) |
| 17:25:00 | tux_mike | damnit |
| 17:25:03 | tux_mike | i feel old |
| 17:26:08 | hardwire | I feel cold |
| 17:26:21 | ljp_work | I feel bold |
| 17:27:30 | bipolar | I feel sold |
| 17:28:19 | levi | I feel mold |
| 17:28:25 | tux_mike | eww |
| 17:28:37 | bipolar | levi: USE SOAP! |
| 17:30:06 | tux_mike | but, they have a new retro hour on the radio |
| 17:30:07 | tux_mike | and it's all 90s stuff. |
| 17:30:07 | tux_mike | the stuff i listened to! |
| 17:31:21 | ljp_work | 90's is now retro? |
| 17:31:26 | tux_mike | yup |
| 17:31:44 | ljp_work | hmmm thats only 2 years ago |
| 17:31:50 | ljp_work | 3 |
| 17:31:53 | ljp_work | heh |
| 17:31:56 | tux_mike | or 12 |
| 17:32:34 | bipolar | tux_mike: Quit that! You're making *ME* feel old! |
| 17:33:33 | tux_mike | :P |
| 17:34:48 | tux_mike | well, if you want, i can feel old enough for the both of us :) |
| 17:38:31 | bipolar | tux_mike: But I'm only 23! |
| 17:38:55 | chouimat|food | bipolar: so |
| 17:39:18 | tux_mike | bipolar: well, i;m 22. |
| 17:39:25 | chouimat|food | tux_mike: so |
| 17:39:40 | kergoth | chouimat|food: so, we're too young to be feeling old :) |
| 17:39:48 | bipolar | chouimat|food: I should not feel old! I'm too young to have a midlife crisis |
| 17:39:50 | chouimat|food | kergoth: I'm 28 |
| 17:40:05 | bipolar | chouimat|food: damn! You're OLD! |
| 17:40:05 | tux_mike | yes! |
| 17:40:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:41:42 | sjohnson | Then I must be an ancient at 40. |
| 17:41:50 | chouimat|food | bipolar: i know |
| 17:41:58 | scanline | is away: Sleep, that's where I'm a vi king! |
| 17:42:10 | trekelopieirc | sj: yes you are |
| 17:42:14 | bipolar | sjohnson: you're so far over the hill you're at the bottom of the other side |
| 17:42:18 | bipolar | lol |
| 17:42:39 | chouimat|food | bipolar: but i don't need viagra yet |
| 17:42:40 | tux_mike | lol! |
| 17:42:44 | sjohnson | grumbles |
| 17:42:55 | bipolar | chouimat|food: well, thats saying something |
| 17:43:02 | chouimat|food | :) |
| 17:43:03 | tux_mike | kolla: it's a geekified simpsons quote :) |
| 18:15:26 | benmeyer | Ooooooh yah. ummmmm |
| 18:15:26 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:17:31 | benmeyer | Debian is sweeeet |
| 18:17:34 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:17:49 | ljp_work | heh,,./... its overrated |
| 18:17:56 | Data__ | :) |
| 18:18:06 | Dataken | nah it's sweet :) |
| 18:18:09 | benmeyer | pretends to sit back and have a smoke |
| 18:18:19 | Databarbie | smacks Dataken |
| 18:18:27 | ljp_work | I'm liking gentoo |
| 18:18:27 | Dataken | ? |
| 18:18:32 | Dataken | gentoo sucks :) |
| 18:18:35 | ljp_work | I usually compile most everything anyway |
| 18:18:39 | hardwire | well theres an opinion! |
| 18:18:44 | benmeyer | posh |
| 18:18:45 | benmeyer | why? |
| 18:18:57 | ljp_work | because |
| 18:18:57 | ljp_work | I do |
| 18:19:05 | Dataken | use slackware then |
| 18:19:08 | Dataken | alot better then gentoo :) |
| 18:19:08 | benmeyer | I used to, but found I really only want to compile a few select items |
| 18:19:15 | ljp_work | I even compile kde and the like |
| 18:19:18 | benmeyer | the rest I don't care to deal with and just want it to work |
| 18:19:28 | Dataken | benmeyer: me too :) |
| 18:19:29 | ljp_work | heh slack doesnt have emerge |
| 18:19:36 | Dataken | that's why i like debian |
| 18:19:40 | Dataken | i compile what i want |
| 18:19:41 | benmeyer | yup |
| 18:19:44 | Dataken | and apt-get the rest ;) |
| 18:19:50 | BigBoss | gentoo 1.4 is pretty damn cool |
| 18:20:02 | Dataken | anyway |
| 18:20:09 | Dataken | not in the mood for a distro war ;) |
| 18:20:17 | benmeyer | I compile maybe kde-cvs every few weeks, but even then my main kde is debian's which is optimized etc wherin mine has debug etc |
| 18:20:23 | ljp_work | no war.. just differeing opinions |
| 18:20:37 | Dataken | i use redhat as desktop |
| 18:20:40 | Dataken | and debian as server |
| 18:20:47 | benmeyer | Yes gentoo is cool, but the days of IT are in my past |
| 18:21:00 | ljp_work | in gentoo, you set compiler flags so everything is optimised to your machien |
| 18:21:30 | Dataken | ljp_work: what has that to do with gentoo? :) |
| 18:21:35 | ljp_work | I installed debian.. just because |
| 18:21:48 | ljp_work | gentoo is faster |
| 18:22:04 | Dataken | i would like to see that first :) |
| 18:22:09 | ljp_work | because everything is optimized |
| 18:22:23 | Dataken | you sound like a microsoft commercial :) |
| 18:22:29 | Dataken | no offence ;) |
| 18:22:37 | ljp_work | heh no, just telling you like it is. |
| 18:22:39 | benmeyer | I use debian simply because shit works. I like redhat because its installer is very good, I like mandrake because it comes with lots of toys, I like lycoris because it is very clean, but at the end of the day when I need things installed debian always gets the job done every time (or within 5 minutes) |
| 18:22:47 | ljp_work | redhat compiles for i386 |
| 18:22:59 | Dataken | true |
| 18:23:01 | hardwire | you can compile everything for a debian system as well |
| 18:23:05 | Neo|Work | heh: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020912&mode=classic |
| 18:23:06 | Dataken | yeah |
| 18:23:07 | ljp_work | mandrake for i586 |
| 18:23:07 | hardwire | and then make your own feed |
| 18:23:09 | hardwire | and be fat and happy |
| 18:23:12 | benmeyer | well for most of what I use (ksirc) mmx etc doesn't matter :-D |
| 18:23:37 | Dataken | ;) |
| 18:23:41 | Dataken | apache mmx optimized ! :) |
| 18:23:45 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:23:46 | hardwire | WOOT! |
| 18:23:49 | hardwire | now I can.. |
| 18:23:49 | Dataken | w00t :) |
| 18:23:50 | ljp_work | personally, I prefer LinuxOne |
| 18:23:52 | hardwire | thinks |
| 18:24:02 | Dataken | you can euh like view pages |
| 18:24:08 | Dataken | in colors |
| 18:24:12 | Dataken | or something |
| 18:25:17 | Dataken | wii /me new toys :) |
| 18:25:24 | ljp_work | linuxone.. what ever happened to that outfit? |
| 18:25:36 | ljp_work | died of embarrassment? |
| 18:25:38 | BigBoss | disappared the way they should |
| 18:25:40 | BigBoss | hehe |
| 18:27:18 | benmeyer | in Xfree 4.3 can you change the screen size on the fly? |
| 18:27:30 | benmeyer | heard rumor |
| 18:27:36 | Dataken | http://www.thunderpole.co.uk/cobra_mt500.htm |
| 18:27:38 | ljp_work | cvs I think |
| 18:27:48 | levi | benmeyer: I also heard that it's in CVS |
| 18:30:31 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 18:30:45 | benmeyer | who would be the right place to look into that? |
| 18:31:05 | benmeyer | I mean where |
| 18:32:36 | kergoth`food | benmeyer: sent the steps for debian. didnt have time to make it worded well or easy for an end user, though |
| 18:33:04 | benmeyer | np |
| 18:33:57 | ljp_work | steps for debian? |
| 18:34:15 | kergoth`food | ljp_work: usbdnet setup instructions for debian specifically |
| 18:36:02 | ljp_work | what? theres not apt-get usbdnet ? |
| 18:36:33 | kergoth | hehe. nope. |
| 18:40:11 | ljp_work | I was really bummed apt-get laid didnt work, even though I installed debian |
| 18:45:20 | ljp_work | rc-update add laid default |
| 18:51:48 | benmeyer | ljp_work: am going to make a deb package though |
| 18:51:50 | benmeyer | hopefully |
| 18:52:48 | ljp_work | for usbdnet? |
| 18:52:59 | benmeyer | yes |
| 18:53:10 | benmeyer | asuming that is the instructions that kergoth sent me |
| 18:53:12 | ljp_work | with hotplug and all? |
| 18:53:15 | benmeyer | still installing kde stuff |
| 18:53:20 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:54:11 | ljp_work | emerge zaurus |
| 18:54:48 | benmeyer | nothing quite like having a nice fast 1" dual box with tons of memory, but with a video chip so bad that I can see it drawing stuff on the screen |
| 18:55:00 | benmeyer | line.. by line |
| 18:55:06 | kergoth | benmeyer: networksetup doesnt like me :) |
| 18:55:11 | ljp_work | blink really fast |
| 18:55:12 | benmeyer | :( |
| 18:55:16 | benmeyer | hahahaha |
| 18:55:33 | kergoth | benmeyer: it works, works great, put the wlan plugin into ~/.networksetup/plugins, it says it loads it, but .. how the hell do i use it? |
| 18:55:39 | kergoth | benmeyer: nothing new in configure interface.. |
| 18:55:49 | benmeyer | lucky for me I have a crappy P133 that I use and xhost to it, matroxmilenium or something really old, but _fast_ |
| 18:56:08 | PascalS | cd |
| 18:56:08 | benmeyer | kergoth, oh yah I am going to change the .networksetup/plugin thing |
| 18:56:13 | PascalS | whoops |
| 18:56:13 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah, thats minor |
| 18:56:18 | kergoth | benmeyer: not a big deal |
| 18:56:23 | kergoth | benmeyer: but .. something is odd |
| 18:56:30 | kergoth | like right now, i have wlan0 interface, but its not listed |
| 18:56:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56:36 | benmeyer | I havn't been able to test it on opie, gave my 5500 away for a week |
| 18:56:42 | benmeyer | at all? |
| 18:56:46 | kergoth | er |
| 18:56:47 | benmeyer | even as an interface? |
| 18:56:52 | kergoth | its only showing UP interfaces |
| 18:56:56 | kergoth | it doesnt show wlan0, not UP |
| 18:57:07 | benmeyer | but wlan0 is is ifconfig -a? |
| 18:57:23 | kergoth | benmeyer: yup, just checked |
| 18:57:30 | benmeyer | hmm odd |
| 18:57:44 | benmeyer | well now that i have Debian up and running I will be able to at least test it using a real interfaces file |
| 18:57:45 | benmeyer | :_D |
| 18:57:54 | kergoth | the interfaces parsing looked fine |
| 18:58:00 | kergoth | it altered it correctly and all |
| 18:58:09 | kergoth | just this interface showing bug, and how do i get to the wireless config? |
| 18:58:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:58:13 | benmeyer | profiles dont' entirly work yet |
| 18:58:31 | benmeyer | well the wireless module has to "claim" the interface |
| 18:58:47 | kergoth | well, why doesnt wlan like me then |
| 18:58:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:59:10 | kergoth | checks the code for sanity ;) |
| 18:59:19 | tux_mike | yarr! |
| 18:59:20 | benmeyer | if(i->getInterfaceName() == "eth0") |
| 18:59:20 | benmeyer | return true; |
| 18:59:30 | kergoth | uhm |
| 18:59:30 | benmeyer | yah, that is a temporary solution |
| 18:59:44 | benmeyer | to be changed to a run the command against the interface |
| 18:59:45 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:59:48 | kergoth | it should be using iwconfig to check if its a wireless interface |
| 18:59:51 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:59:53 | benmeyer | exactly |
| 19:00:01 | benmeyer | thus installs debian |
| 19:00:11 | kergoth | it looks good man |
| 19:00:18 | kergoth | puts netsetup to shame once you get the kinks worked out |
| 19:00:34 | benmeyer | yah, once I get my 5500 back I will work all of the kinks out in a day flat |
| 19:00:38 | kergoth | i'll commit the .pro file changes to get things building and happy :0 |
| 19:00:42 | kergoth | and the plugin path change |
| 19:00:48 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:00:51 | benmeyer | kinda hard to make a network app when you don't have anything to test it with |
| 19:00:52 | ljp_work | apt-get gentoo-1.4 hehe |
| 19:01:21 | ljp_work | ya thats like trying to debug opie apps on the ipaq |
| 19:01:23 | benmeyer | kergoth: but if you find anything just add it to the TODO |
| 19:01:27 | kergoth | if(i->getInterfaceName() == "eth0" || i->getInterfaceName() == "wlan0") |
| 19:01:27 | kergoth | return true; |
| 19:01:29 | kergoth | woot |
| 19:01:31 | benmeyer | I am working with the lycoris guys |
| 19:01:40 | benmeyer | to grab there route network dialogs |
| 19:01:40 | kergoth | alters ugly hacks with more ugly hacks |
| 19:01:57 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 19:02:06 | benmeyer | so that we can have a fully working tested route dialog and dns dialog |
| 19:02:13 | kergoth | thatd be smooth. |
| 19:02:21 | benmeyer | just don't do anything with profiles |
| 19:02:25 | kergoth | k :) |
| 19:02:30 | benmeyer | that was also waiting for debian before I could test it |
| 19:02:31 | kergoth | you should hide that tab for now :0 |
| 19:02:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:02:55 | kergoth | does the wireless.opts parsing work in wlanmodule? |
| 19:03:01 | kergoth | tests |
| 19:03:03 | benmeyer | well honestly everyone bitched at me to add it to cvs and it has been in there for two weeks and you are probably the first person to look at it I feel that it is ok |
| 19:03:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:03:23 | kergoth | true that |
| 19:03:28 | benmeyer | the wlan config was ripped straigh from opies app |
| 19:03:32 | benmeyer | so if it worked there.... |
| 19:03:33 | kergoth | considering it was never altered for qpe->opie even |
| 19:03:34 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:03:56 | kergoth | you have an icon for this yet? |
| 19:04:03 | benmeyer | not yet |
| 19:04:14 | benmeyer | probably the network icon from kde |
| 19:04:20 | benmeyer | clean, people know what it is etc |
| 19:04:21 | kergoth | yeah, thats what i was thinking as well |
| 19:04:25 | kergoth | hey umopapisdn |
| 19:04:32 | kergoth | umopapisdn: nice on the default groups, makes my life easier :) |
| 19:04:32 | umopapisdn | hey |
| 19:04:40 | kergoth | thanks |
| 19:04:46 | umopapisdn | kergoth: good! It was the right ones? |
| 19:04:57 | benmeyer | god I love debian, apt-get php4, ... installed... configure apache? ..Y.. restarting apache |
| 19:05:00 | kergoth | umopapisdn: yeah. might need to tweak some later, havent actually tested logging in as a nonroot user in a while |
| 19:05:02 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:05:06 | kergoth | benmeyer: spoils ya |
| 19:05:27 | benmeyer | hehe have our server as redhat for the last 6 months has been painfull |
| 19:05:47 | kergoth | ugh |
| 19:05:51 | kergoth | i hate maintaining redhat servers |
| 19:06:05 | benmeyer | apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 19:06:20 | ljp_work | apt-get pizza |
| 19:06:24 | benmeyer | red hat keeps e-mailing me about security bugs in there inhouse packages, very anoyin |
| 19:06:24 | kergoth | hugs apt-get |
| 19:07:03 | benmeyer | apt-get install faster |
| 19:07:04 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:07:17 | benmeyer | bla anyway |
| 19:07:19 | sjohnson | kergoth: try looking at autoupdate. It functions like up2datem but it your can used it with any mirror |
| 19:07:32 | kergoth | sjohnson: ah, that would be handy. thanks for the pointer :) |
| 19:09:12 | sjohnson | kergoth: http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/ftp/autoupdate/index.html |
| 19:11:30 | Dataken | anyone ever build his own utp tester? |
| 19:19:05 | | bzflag was last seen on #bzflag 8 hours, 32 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: ibot: bzflist [Tue Oct 15 04:46:38 2002] |
| 19:19:05 | benmeyer | ibot seen bzflag |
| 19:19:35 | benmeyer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2060946629 |
| 19:19:38 | benmeyer | my new terminal |
| 19:19:40 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:19:58 | benmeyer | Gotta love those shuttle machines |
| 19:20:29 | kergoth | nice. i need a small formfactor machine or a thin client for my living room |
| 19:20:30 | Morkeleb | hi there. |
| 19:21:10 | Morkeleb | how to configure my wifi card? i've got the netgear card and access point. when i put in the card it creats a eth0 device but no ip's are given to it |
| 19:21:33 | Dataken | do you have a dhcp server on your lan ? |
| 19:22:15 | Cloudchaser | did you set up a new lan connection on your z? |
| 19:22:25 | benmeyer | the z has a dhcp server |
| 19:22:26 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:22:37 | Dataken | rtcw |
| 19:22:38 | Dataken | bbl |
| 19:22:40 | Cloudchaser | for usb on desktop yes |
| 19:22:52 | benmeyer | easily exensable for wlan |
| 19:23:30 | Cloudchaser | cool, i hadn't really ever thought of that |
| 19:23:31 | Morkeleb | Dataken: the netgear router mr314 should have one in the box. |
| 19:23:48 | kergoth | benmeyer: speaking of which, we may want to try to add the ability to setup a dhcp server if one is installed from networksetup .. seperate plugin perhaps? |
| 19:23:57 | Cloudchaser | Morkeleb: i think he left |
| 19:24:19 | benmeyer | that wouldn't go in network setup, that would go in my in drawing stage server manager |
| 19:24:30 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:24:40 | benmeyer | but a plugin for that yes |
| 19:24:40 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:24:50 | benmeyer | along with apache, ssh, telnet.... |
| 19:24:52 | benmeyer | boa... |
| 19:24:59 | benmeyer | ftp |
| 19:25:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:25:01 | benmeyer | ... |
| 19:25:03 | Cloudchaser | samba? |
| 19:25:09 | benmeyer | and samba |
| 19:25:13 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 19:25:16 | Cloudchaser | sold! |
| 19:25:24 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: you should see the oz release i'm working on, with current opie.. |
| 19:25:31 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: tis so nifty. :) |
| 19:25:53 | Cloudchaser | maybe i'll try it again |
| 19:25:54 | benmeyer | kergoth: have you wince's clock config app? |
| 19:26:04 | Cloudchaser | when i don't hear any anguished screams |
| 19:26:04 | benmeyer | I mean pocket pc |
| 19:26:05 | kergoth | havent seen it |
| 19:26:10 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: hah |
| 19:26:15 | benmeyer | kicks ass |
| 19:26:18 | seven | mm are there any applications to play .mov files on my zaurus ? |
| 19:26:21 | kybu | hi |
| 19:26:32 | benmeyer | kinda of a slap in the face duh example of how it _should_ be done |
| 19:26:44 | kergoth | benmeyer: the opie and qtopia datebook and citytime apps really suck |
| 19:27:32 | kergoth`mtg | meeting. |
| 19:27:38 | Morkeleb | anone got experience in setting up wifi? with a simple access point... |
| 19:27:50 | benmeyer | yup |
| 19:27:53 | benmeyer | just about everyone here |
| 19:27:57 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 19:28:30 | Morkeleb | so what to check to get it working? |
| 19:28:49 | Cloudchaser | sharp rom? |
| 19:28:54 | Morkeleb | yes |
| 19:28:59 | Morkeleb | 3.38 |
| 19:29:00 | Morkeleb | um 2.38 |
| 19:29:12 | benmeyer | Morkeleb: on the z? |
| 19:29:14 | benmeyer | or laptop? |
| 19:29:18 | benmeyer | acess point? |
| 19:29:19 | benmeyer | rom? |
| 19:29:24 | benmeyer | what 802.11 card? |
| 19:29:40 | Cloudchaser | just set up wireless configuration on z |
| 19:29:45 | Cloudchaser | add a new lan connection |
| 19:29:52 | Cloudchaser | and voila |
| 19:30:06 | Morkeleb | can i enter my own ip's? |
| 19:30:12 | Cloudchaser | sure |
| 19:30:16 | Morkeleb | and if i want to have it use dhcp? |
| 19:30:21 | Cloudchaser | make sure you put your dns servers in there |
| 19:30:33 | benmeyer | kergoth`mtg: http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/pocketpc/tips/timezone.asp |
| 19:30:35 | Cloudchaser | you can have it use dhcp too |
| 19:30:37 | benmeyer | check out the dialog |
| 19:30:39 | benmeyer | very cool |
| 19:30:42 | benmeyer | very intuative |
| 19:30:54 | benmeyer | you can drag the hands |
| 19:30:57 | Cloudchaser | or instead off |
| 19:30:59 | benmeyer | works very well |
| 19:31:12 | Cloudchaser | what wireless card? |
| 19:31:40 | Morkeleb | when i create a lan configuration, does it automatically know that it has to use the wifi card (if present)? |
| 19:31:44 | treke | man pocket pc may work well, but it's butt ugly :) |
| 19:31:51 | seven | mm are there any applications to play .mov files on my zaurus ? |
| 19:31:57 | Cloudchaser | Morkeleb: use it for what? |
| 19:32:02 | treke | seven: no |
| 19:32:16 | seven | treke any in development ? |
| 19:32:21 | Cloudchaser | you can't synch with wireless with 2.38 |
| 19:32:22 | treke | seven: not likely |
| 19:32:28 | seven | damn :( |
| 19:32:34 | Cloudchaser | and you can't ftp to z with 2.38 either over wireless i don't think |
| 19:32:36 | seven | i can never watch southpark now :( |
| 19:32:40 | Morkeleb | i know that cloudchaser, not my intention |
| 19:32:42 | Morkeleb | but: |
| 19:32:44 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 19:32:48 | treke | seven: go ask apple to port quicktime |
| 19:32:57 | seven | treke i'll do ;) |
| 19:33:12 | Morkeleb | i mean: when I plug in the wifi card it detects it and there is an eth0 device in ifconfig - but that apparently does not suffice to get it running |
| 19:33:50 | Cloudchaser | what do you mean by "running" |
| 19:34:06 | Cloudchaser | you set up your wireless configuration? |
| 19:34:11 | Morkeleb | working. that it has an ip and is pingable |
| 19:34:12 | benmeyer | Cloudchaser: nope |
| 19:34:15 | benmeyer | 2.38 == evil |
| 19:34:23 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah ben, i don't use it |
| 19:34:25 | benmeyer | use 2.37 |
| 19:34:28 | Cloudchaser | i use 2.37 |
| 19:34:36 | benmeyer | and if you need the sd patch grab it from the japan site |
| 19:34:48 | Cloudchaser | oh is dhcp set up? |
| 19:34:54 | Cloudchaser | or are you using static? |
| 19:35:33 | Morkeleb | i firstly tried with dynamic - as soon as i did that the light flashed again (thus searching for connection, doesnt find it) |
| 19:35:35 | Cloudchaser | adn what wireless card are you using? |
| 19:35:49 | Morkeleb | netgear |
| 19:36:10 | Cloudchaser | ok and you yhave netgear router with ..cable? |
| 19:37:01 | Morkeleb | well, its a bit complicated. my connection to the net is dsl, but for now i got my own linux box that acts as router. |
| 19:37:24 | Cloudchaser | what acts as dhcp server? |
| 19:37:28 | Morkeleb | the access point is capable of accessing the adsl modem directly and act as router but for now i dont want that |
| 19:38:42 | Cloudchaser | and do you have a hub/switch that all your lan devices are connected to? |
| 19:39:18 | Morkeleb | yes. |
| 19:39:33 | Cloudchaser | ok and you have dhcp server set up on your linux box? |
| 19:39:56 | Morkeleb | from my desktop here i can access linux box (gateway to internet) and also the access point |
| 19:40:58 | Cloudchaser | DO YOU HAVE A DHCP SERVER SET UP??? |
| 19:41:55 | Morkeleb | i'm confused. i myself did not. but the access point is supposed to have one. |
| 19:42:27 | Cloudchaser | you might want to make sure then, that it's set up to act as a dhcp server |
| 19:42:39 | Cloudchaser | on the same subnet as your lan |
| 19:42:39 | Morkeleb | how to find that out? |
| 19:42:57 | Cloudchaser | you have the manual for your access point? |
| 19:43:00 | Morkeleb | the subnet is 192.168.0 |
| 19:43:20 | Morkeleb | i should somewhere, but i did not find it yet. maybe only in digital form |
| 19:43:24 | Cloudchaser | my access point doesn't act as a dhcp server |
| 19:43:32 | Morkeleb | aha. so you have fixed ip? |
| 19:43:35 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 19:43:48 | Cloudchaser | i have dhcp server on linksys router |
| 19:44:06 | Morkeleb | aha |
| 19:44:14 | Cloudchaser | although i did give my z a static address at times |
| 19:44:19 | Cloudchaser | and it works fine |
| 19:44:31 | Morkeleb | quick sidequestion: what to enter in broadcast? |
| 19:44:41 | Cloudchaser | i didn't enter anything |
| 19:44:59 | Cloudchaser | but it would be 192.168.0.255 if you have class c mask |
| 19:45:51 | Cloudchaser | that's the broadcast address for 192.168.0.x/24 subnet |
| 19:51:13 | benmeyer | how odd |
| 19:51:14 | Morkeleb | i got it to work with fixed ip now. it was a misconfiguration in wifi |
| 19:51:17 | benmeyer | google is slow.... |
| 19:52:25 | Morkeleb | and dhcp works too now |
| 19:52:40 | Cloudchaser | ok great |
| 19:52:44 | benmeyer | is goodle slow for anyone else? |
| 19:52:57 | numatrix | btw; ben, you see my earlier question about mud software? |
| 19:53:05 | noda | benmeyer: Nope. |
| 19:53:07 | numatrix | benmeyer: works quickly as usual |
| 19:53:09 | benmeyer | nope, missed it |
| 19:53:11 | benmeyer | ok |
| 19:53:12 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer: its fast for me |
| 19:53:13 | Morkeleb | for me too |
| 19:53:21 | benmeyer | must be upstream to me |
| 19:53:25 | numatrix | benmeyer: Just wondering about that qpmud software. It's got a sf site with not much info; it was one of the contest entries? |
| 19:53:26 | Morkeleb | i go on www.google.at though |
| 19:53:37 | numatrix | benmeyer: Was curious if you knew if it was being continued? |
| 19:53:37 | benmeyer | can you only imagine what it would be like when google's pipe was filled |
| 19:53:39 | benmeyer | gosh |
| 19:53:56 | benmeyer | numatrix: hmm |
| 19:53:59 | benmeyer | I am not sure |
| 19:54:18 | ljp_work | they have a pipe? |
| 19:54:48 | benmeyer | some big fat one I am sure |
| 19:54:54 | noda | "a" pipe? Ha |
| 19:55:02 | numatrix | benmeyer: I think I remember the author saying something about not being in the initial pick of challenge apps but that he might get a second chance? It was a while ago though. |
| 19:55:08 | noda | Probably at least 12 bit fat ones. |
| 19:55:17 | benmeyer | yah, well if he submits a final version... |
| 19:55:22 | benmeyer | I think there are still a few units |
| 19:56:04 | numatrix | benmeyer: I'll try to dig up his email from SF and see if he's finished it then; I'd like to go mudding on my Z without using ssh... |
| 19:56:39 | ljp_work | and how does that pipe smoke? |
| 19:59:53 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:00:09 | benmeyer | goes to use google's pipe |
| 20:00:12 | benmeyer | goes to use google's big fat pipe |
| 20:00:42 | prpplague | ljp_work: (echo "th@" | $HOME) && rm -rf it |
| 20:04:26 | benmeyer | apt-get's koffice |
| 20:04:26 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:06:44 | chou|CR2032shopp | hmm which region as the area code 973? |
| 20:10:18 | prpplague | chouimat: hmm, try www.four11.com |
| 20:10:24 | tux_mike | yarr. |
| 20:11:05 | prpplague | chouimat: you looking for a battery? |
| 20:11:31 | chouimat | no for the locality I will call if I dial 973-xxx-xxxx |
| 20:11:46 | chouimat | prpplague: got the battery |
| 20:12:07 | prpplague | chouimat: ya four11 is suppose to have areacode lookups |
| 20:13:10 | prpplague | chouimat: Newark, Paterson, Clifton, East Orange, Passaic, Wayne, Bloomfield, West Orange, Montclair and Belleville; |
| 20:13:10 | prpplague | New Jersey |
| 20:13:11 | prpplague | USA |
| 20:13:29 | chouimat | prpplague: ok |
| 20:15:40 | chouimat | prpplague: thanks |
| 20:16:07 | prpplague | chouimat: np |
| 20:16:13 | badl | any1 here familiar with cygwin? |
| 20:17:03 | numatrix | badl: Somewhat. |
| 20:17:10 | numatrix | badl: What's up? |
| 20:17:25 | badl | numatrix: what are your opinions about it? anything better or comparitable? |
| 20:17:56 | numatrix | badl: Not that I've seen; it's really evolved, and it's an impressive package. Makes windows machines more usable and managable for me. |
| 20:18:49 | badl | numatrix: do you do any cross compiling under *inx environment |
| 20:21:16 | noda | cygwin is great! :) |
| 20:21:35 | badl | what about MinGW? |
| 20:30:51 | richy3 | anyone here know about the kapm-idled ? |
| 20:31:14 | richy3 | it seems to be using 100% of my processor :-( |
| 20:32:04 | benmeyer | read debian policy manual |
| 20:32:05 | ljp_work | that just shows you that your cpu is 100% idle |
| 20:32:07 | benmeyer | read |
| 20:32:09 | kergoth | benmeyer: fun stuff |
| 20:32:09 | benmeyer | read |
| 20:32:12 | benmeyer | jkd&T |
| 20:32:13 | benmeyer | reads |
| 20:32:14 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:32:21 | ljp_work | you know how to read? |
| 20:32:28 | ljp_work | wow I'm impressed |
| 20:32:31 | benmeyer | stupid 's' key was stuck |
| 20:32:51 | benmeyer | learning how to make debian packages |
| 20:32:56 | kergoth | digi's stock is up to $1.85 |
| 20:32:56 | Rixster | with a high ps ax ? |
| 20:32:58 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 20:32:58 | kergoth | oi |
| 20:33:02 | benmeyer | hey kergoth |
| 20:33:08 | kergoth | hey ben |
| 20:33:11 | benmeyer | kergoth`mtg: http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/pocketpc/tips/timezone.asp |
| 20:33:17 | benmeyer | check it out |
| 20:33:35 | Morkeleb | anyone got experience with the negear MR314? |
| 20:33:44 | benmeyer | should work last I heard |
| 20:33:59 | Morkeleb | i know it works |
| 20:34:27 | Morkeleb | well, it did. i am unsure now. i made an update of the firmware as the installed one was unstable. |
| 20:34:52 | benmeyer | brb |
| 20:34:53 | Morkeleb | i uploaded the file and it told to wait 2 minutes before accessing it again. but ive waited 5 or more and i get no ping |
| 20:35:15 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 9 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: hehe [Tue Oct 15 12:25:40 2002] |
| 20:35:15 | erikd | ibot seen bigboss |
| 20:35:20 | erikd | BAH |
| 20:35:23 | erikd | always |
| 20:35:59 | erikd | anyone know his email address? |
| 20:36:50 | chouimat | erikd: ????@thekompany.com? |
| 20:38:12 | erikd | yeah |
| 20:38:21 | erikd | i just didn't want to go searching ;) |
| 20:43:36 | | i guess bigboss is like the president of TheKompany |
| 20:43:36 | benmeyer | ibot bigboss |
| 20:46:23 | chouimat | erikd: shawn@thekompany.com |
| 20:56:45 | tux_mike | wow, dow up 378 |
| 20:56:51 | tux_mike | what a rollercoaster |
| 21:03:11 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 21:03:11 | benmeyer | night |
| 21:07:29 | numatrix | is back (gone 05:01:13) |
| 21:07:38 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 21:11:29 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 21:11:46 | tux_mike | hey Ha^I |
| 21:12:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:43:03 | nishi | hello folks !! |
| 21:43:11 | kergoth | hey nishi.. how goes it? |
| 21:43:17 | nishi | long time ... Hi Kergoth, MM, Onyx !! |
| 21:43:24 | nishi | doing good and you ? |
| 21:43:32 | nishi | so whats new here ? :) |
| 21:43:32 | kergoth | real good |
| 21:43:35 | nishi | kewl |
| 21:43:42 | kergoth | finally pushing the new OZ release out |
| 21:43:48 | kergoth | uploading a new prerelease now :) |
| 21:43:58 | nishi | I'm excited as I am running mIRC via Wine on my Linux laptop :) |
| 21:44:07 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:44:07 | nishi | wow !! CONGRATS !! COOL ! |
| 21:44:26 | Cloudchaser | why? |
| 21:44:29 | nishi | hey numatrix .. how goes ? |
| 21:44:32 | nishi | hi Cc !! |
| 21:44:57 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 21:45:03 | Cloudchaser | why run mirc on wine? |
| 21:45:08 | oGMo | i must wonder the same as Cloudchaser |
| 21:45:09 | nishi | well just paritioned my hard disk ... running reflection X on win2K was getting horrible ! |
| 21:45:10 | kergoth | sticks to irssi-gtk |
| 21:45:22 | nishi | well i like the interface :) |
| 21:45:24 | oGMo | *why* would you run mirc when there's irssi |
| 21:45:27 | Cloudchaser | but xchat is much nicer |
| 21:45:32 | oGMo | kergoth: -gtk? hmmm |
| 21:45:33 | kergoth | or even xchat, or ksirc, or anything |
| 21:45:36 | oGMo | new development ;) |
| 21:45:41 | kergoth | oGMo: just debian's naming for the gtk frontend |
| 21:45:43 | kergoth | oGMo: :) |
| 21:46:11 | nishi | oh is it ? Hmmm will try that ... well am trying to get Eudora to run via wine actually ... just tried mIRC for kicks ... it works great ... |
| 21:46:13 | oGMo | kergoth: cool, i don't recall there being a gtk frontend since back when it started as a gtk client |
| 21:46:27 | nishi | going to the linux channel to find out how I can get Eudora working via Winw |
| 21:46:28 | kergoth | i still use the textmiode one most of the time |
| 21:46:29 | nishi | wine |
| 21:46:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:46:35 | nishi | Hmmm |
| 21:46:54 | kergoth | nishi: why not use kmail or evolution? |
| 21:47:02 | oGMo | or sylpheed, mmm |
| 21:47:12 | kergoth | or mutt! |
| 21:47:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:47:16 | kergoth | still sticks to mutt |
| 21:47:25 | oGMo | or even pine... wait, no, not pine |
| 21:47:31 | erikd | just switched to evolution from mutt |
| 21:47:33 | kergoth | oGMo: haha, you took the words right out of my mouth |
| 21:47:39 | kergoth | oGMo: i had it typed and then backspaced it :) |
| 21:47:43 | nishi | actually ... I have tonnes of mail (with attachments) in Eudora ... and neither kmail/evolution will be able to import those |
| 21:47:44 | oGMo | kergoth: hehehe |
| 21:48:04 | nishi | I am able to read my mail by just transporting the .mbx folders from windows (in kmail) but not the attachments |
| 21:48:19 | treke | just found out the mutt can read news also |
| 21:48:23 | treke | is happy |
| 21:48:24 | kergoth | treke: it can? |
| 21:48:26 | kergoth | treke: woah |
| 21:48:36 | treke | kergoth: theres a patch for it. I'm trying it out right now |
| 21:48:40 | kergoth | niftyyy |
| 21:48:42 | kergoth | keep me posted |
| 21:49:05 | nishi | ok folks ... i am outta here :) ... will let you know if I can import my attachments too :) or get Eudora running via Wine |
| 21:49:10 | nishi | hv a nice day |
| 21:49:22 | treke | yeah. being able to free up some ram by eliminating the bloat that is tin would be nice :) |
| 21:49:22 | nishi | c ya l8r kergoth/onyx/numatrix/cc |
| 21:49:30 | Cloudchaser | bye bye |
| 21:49:34 | nishi | buh bye |
| 21:52:06 | | rumour has it oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 21:52:06 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 21:52:11 | kergoth | anyone feeling daring, i need testers :) |
| 21:52:30 | kergoth | i only know of *one* outstanding bug other than minor opie quirks, and not many of those |
| 21:53:52 | Harlekin | kergoth: you have one of grouchos new konq builds arround? |
| 21:53:58 | Harlekin | or is it now in your build system? |
| 21:53:59 | kergoth | Harlekin: not handy |
| 21:54:03 | kergoth | Harlekin: not yet. its on the todo |
| 21:56:00 | TheMasterMind1 | oooooooh |
| 21:56:02 | TheMasterMind1 | new konq? |
| 21:56:04 | TheMasterMind1 | where where where? |
| 21:56:21 | levi | What's new in the new konq? |
| 21:56:22 | Harlekin | kergoth: since it could benefit from the optimised gcc flags |
| 21:56:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin: where is it? |
| 21:56:45 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin: konq is in our buildroot, it just doesn't compile |
| 21:56:48 | kergoth | Harlekin: even with 2.95.3? :) |
| 21:57:03 | Harlekin | yes |
| 21:57:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:57:36 | kergoth | k |
| 21:57:55 | kergoth | Harlekin: opie-login segfaults on exit if you exit from the menu :0 |
| 21:58:10 | Harlekin | ? |
| 21:58:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:58:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: it always segfaulted |
| 21:58:53 | kergoth | it borks my console when it crashes though |
| 21:58:55 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:14:44 | Morkeleb | hey, ive read people reporting to play video (and audio?) over the network on the Z. how? |
| 22:16:55 | bzdougg | ibot is now a gaming bot |
| 22:17:01 | bzdougg | ibot bzflist |
| 22:17:02 | | bzdougg: bzflag.noodleroni.com:5155(6) jzaun.com:5155(6) chardonnay.math.bme.hu:5155(18) larry.yi.org:5155(4) bzbody.dedicatedpenguin.com:5155(8) turkey.moongroup.com:7500(14) ducati.bzflag.org:5156(7) |
| 22:17:06 | kergoth | fancy |
| 22:17:11 | hcker2000 | hi ther |
| 22:17:27 | hcker2000 | im chating on the z |
| 22:18:22 | chouimat | hcker2000: that explain the missing char |
| 22:18:25 | chouimat | hi cc |
| 22:18:31 | Cloudchaser | hi\ |
| 22:18:45 | hcker2000 | what char? |
| 22:44:50 | smee|h | er...so I'm trying to build a qt/e app and it runs fine but rather than having the qtopia theme it has some other one; and a movable window...what'm I doing wrong? |
| 22:45:14 | treke | smee|h: are you using a QPEApplication object? |
| 22:45:32 | smee|h | treke: ah...yeah - is that what I'm doing wrong? |
| 22:45:46 | treke | you should be :) |
| 22:46:03 | smee|h | QApplication is what I'm using |
| 22:46:13 | treke | QPEApplication is what you want |
| 22:46:19 | smee|h | I suspected as much...thanks treke |
| 22:46:45 | smee|h | recompiles |
| 22:49:36 | smee|h | cool, that worked |
| 22:51:45 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone experienced an infinite flashing state? |
| 22:52:00 | Rixster | only in the local park after midnight |
| 22:52:24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:52:56 | Rixster | (sorry) |
| 22:53:07 | smee|h | where is QPEApplication documented? - I cant find it on the trolltech site |
| 22:53:43 | smee|h | ...or does it have the same interface as QApplication |
| 22:54:25 | kergoth | smee|h: qtopia sdk. |
| 22:54:41 | smee|h | ah, k...thanks kergoth |
| 23:00:33 | Morkeleb | how to play video over wifi? |
| 23:00:33 | jmhodges | anyone here using a cf reader under linux? |
| 23:00:43 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:00:52 | DaJoker | yep |
| 23:00:56 | jmhodges | kergoth: other than you dammit :) your busy |
| 23:01:16 | jmhodges | DaJoker: what modules do i need to compile in? |
| 23:01:25 | DaJoker | usb reader? |
| 23:01:29 | jmhodges | im browser less at the moment (google + links is not good) |
| 23:01:32 | jmhodges | DaJoker: indeed |
| 23:01:34 | DaJoker | then usb storage |
| 23:01:38 | jmhodges | that it? |
| 23:01:44 | DaJoker | yup |
| 23:01:49 | Morkeleb | not me' dont have any. are they worth anything?# |
| 23:01:49 | jmhodges | awesome! |
| 23:02:01 | DaJoker | modules is usb-storage when you're done |
| 23:02:11 | jmhodges | right :) |
| 23:02:28 | DaJoker | just modprobe it with a card in (card out does weird things under 2.4) |
| 23:02:35 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:02:37 | jmhodges | cool |
| 23:02:42 | DaJoker | 2.5 is better.. |
| 23:02:52 | jmhodges | ive heard my craptastic multcard reader is semisupported |
| 23:03:14 | jmhodges | DaJoker: cool thanks for the info :-D |
| 23:03:21 | DaJoker | once you got it going, its a scsi drive |
| 23:03:29 | DaJoker | IE: mine is /dev/sda |
| 23:05:15 | jmhodges | cooool |
| 23:05:26 | jmhodges | using devfsd |
| 23:05:27 | jmhodges | here |
| 23:05:35 | jmhodges | doh just deleted ALL of my bookmarks |
| 23:05:35 | jmhodges | fuck |
| 23:05:36 | DaJoker | same here |
| 23:05:49 | DaJoker | well.. the devfs part, not the bookmarks part |
| 23:05:54 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 23:06:31 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:07:11 | jmhodges | none of these more specific modules correct? |
| 23:07:39 | DaJoker | shouldn't need anything else, no |
| 23:07:44 | jmhodges | awesome |
| 23:07:59 | kergoth`out | bbl, going home |
| 23:08:08 | jmhodges | later kergoth`out |
| 23:30:01 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 02:26:50) |
| 23:38:26 | badl | i might try some of dat boolean shit on ya! |
| 23:38:31 | badl | opps! |
| 23:40:57 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 23:41:01 | MSpin | howdy kergoth |
| 23:41:07 | kergoth | how goes it? |
