| 00:47:05 | oGMo | you'd think someone would fix it so you didn't have to use ugly logic |
| 00:47:22 | kergoth | logic is ugly? :) |
| 00:48:07 | oGMo | usually it ends up being that way |
| 00:48:24 | oGMo | kergoth: mostly, you have to do a thing once, and you know it, but you have to do the test N times |
| 00:48:29 | oGMo | that alone is ugly in my book |
| 00:48:43 | ljp | you need to be a vulcan to understand logic |
| 00:49:07 | oGMo | then often instead of a single-line for-loop you end up with like 5, and 4 of them are your special case, which is ugly too |
| 00:49:40 | kergoth | oGMo: true that. invent a solution, and people will love you |
| 00:49:41 | kergoth | oGMo: :) |
| 00:49:43 | oGMo | is just annoyed at everything in particular and ranting, so you can ignore him ;) |
| 00:49:47 | oGMo | kergoth: hehe |
| 00:50:06 | ljp | use goto instead :) |
| 00:50:22 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:50:27 | kergoth | goto is good for very very few things |
| 00:50:30 | kergoth | but its got uses |
| 00:50:35 | oGMo | i like the idea of self-morphing code and algorithms, actually |
| 00:50:44 | ljp | I prefer goto bar |
| 00:50:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:51:13 | oGMo | write a general case, and then specify ways it can modify itself based on circumstance, and it does... that should be possible, right? |
| 00:51:13 | kergoth | goto bar; bar: drink(); get_laid(); |
| 00:51:37 | oGMo | heh |
| 00:51:54 | ljp | I thought it was if( woman->isDrunk) get_laid(); |
| 00:53:40 | oGMo | bbl |
| 01:00:39 | rjoseph | how difficult is it to re-flash a Zaurus with OZ? |
| 01:03:59 | ljp | easy, but oz is beta, and youd better know what you are doing in linux, until oz gets stable |
| 01:04:13 | rjoseph | lol, i dont have a problem with linux ;) |
| 01:04:32 | rjoseph | ljp: i can't seem to find what i need to flash with though, do you have a link for the ROM> |
| 01:04:32 | ljp | there's #openzaurus |
| 01:04:33 | rjoseph | ? |
| 01:05:05 | kergoth | rjoseph: /join #openzaurus |
| 01:05:42 | rjoseph | :) |
| 01:13:24 | _clf3_ | <_clf3_> guys, does anyone use PCMCIA 802.11b cards with Zaurus ? |
| 01:13:35 | _clf3_ | via a pcmcia-cf adaprot |
| 01:13:39 | _clf3_ | adaptor |
| 01:16:43 | Zxcvb | ogmo: self modifying code, eew |
| 01:17:46 | Zxcvb | what is the point of self modifying code anyway, except to prevent reverse engineering? |
| 01:21:18 | benmeyer | Zxcvb: because it is cool |
| 01:21:29 | benmeyer | home I go |
| 01:21:30 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 02:01:11 | UserZ | anyone found a working build of pine? - I have mutt but it does not support SMTP servers on its own |
| 02:02:15 | chouimat | re |
| 02:23:42 | | news is Python v2.2 Overhaul is coming to a head. |
| 02:23:42 | asys3 | ibot news |
| 02:23:51 | | well, oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 02:23:51 | asys3 | ibot oz |
| 02:36:58 | kalldrexx | hey hey |
| 02:41:15 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 02:41:15 | kergoth | ibot oz is also /join #openzaurus |
| 03:26:15 | kergoth | yawns |
| 03:35:15 | jbardin | anyone know howto get sap off ? |
| 03:35:34 | jbardin | and whats the deral with the price of milk |
| 03:36:29 | cerezu | any opie-player coders online? |
| 03:37:27 | kergoth | cerezu: try #opie |
| 03:39:32 | jbardin | what about wannabe coders ;) |
| 03:46:23 | TrekCycling | treke|home: are you there? |
| 04:00:40 | dafters | re |
| 04:01:01 | warmi | hi |
| 04:03:58 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 04:07:09 | warmi | finally got my asm code up for people who care about these sort of things |
| 04:07:14 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/blits.shtml |
| 04:07:22 | warmi | I know benmayer was asking about that |
| 04:11:59 | jbardin | warmi would that work with a qt app? |
| 04:12:49 | warmi | sure, basically you would have to give as a destination screen buffer ( QDirectPainter will give you that) |
| 04:13:00 | jbardin | interesting |
| 04:13:11 | jbardin | how do you 'compile' the asm code? |
| 04:13:14 | warmi | but that's mostly only usefull for full screen games - Neo style games |
| 04:13:53 | warmi | well, include *.S file just as you would include .c or .cpp file in your Makefile ot tmake template and that's it |
| 04:14:28 | jbardin | cool |
| 04:15:08 | warmi | any new info about that mysterious clam-shell style Zaurus ? |
| 04:16:23 | jbardin | hmm when itry to to run make i get a whole slew of assembler erros |
| 04:16:45 | warmi | are you in your ARM mode ? |
| 04:16:48 | jbardin | hmm i suppose it wouild only work when i am using the arm compiler |
| 04:16:51 | jbardin | no i wasnt.. ;) |
| 04:16:52 | warmi | this will only work with arm compiler |
| 04:17:00 | warmi | heeh |
| 04:17:38 | warmi | anyway, I never bothered giving examples how exactly use this piece of code - -I figured people, like Neo, who know what this is about will also know right away how to use it :-) |
| 04:19:46 | jbardin | yea... thats cool i am just interested in learning some asm stuff |
| 04:20:43 | warmi | well, the source code is not documented but it is only like 50 lines altogether for all 3 blits |
| 04:21:36 | warmi | did you manage to compile it ? |
| 04:21:37 | jbardin | yea it doesnt look too frightning |
| 04:21:45 | jbardin | yea it worked fine when i switched to arm mode |
| 04:22:46 | warmi | you have any books about ARM asm |
| 04:23:05 | warmi | it is a bit criptic and quite a bit different than Intel X86 stuff |
| 04:23:43 | kergoth | ARM asm is nifty. |
| 04:23:46 | kergoth | very nifty. |
| 04:23:47 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:24:24 | warmi | yeah, but stuff orrr14,r10,r9,lsr #16 |
| 04:24:35 | warmi | can look strange to people used to intel stuff |
| 04:24:38 | warmi | "orrr14,r10,r9,lsr #16 |
| 04:24:39 | warmi | " |
| 04:24:53 | warmi | uh .. that stupid IRC client keeps mangling my ASM line |
| 04:24:54 | warmi | heeh |
| 04:25:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:25:03 | kergoth | true that |
| 04:25:10 | chouimat | warmi: I learn asm with a 6809 |
| 04:25:11 | kergoth | but I like it |
| 04:25:20 | kergoth | I love the multiple register store and load |
| 04:25:21 | kergoth | i really do |
| 04:25:27 | warmi | chouimat : I did with Z-80 |
| 04:25:35 | warmi | kergoth yeah .. it kicks ass |
| 04:25:39 | chouimat | warmi: after that the PPC601 |
| 04:26:11 | chouimat | warmi: very nice |
| 04:26:11 | warmi | stmiar13!,{r0-r11} |
| 04:26:26 | warmi | see that kergoth ? 12 registers in one instruction !! |
| 04:26:27 | chouimat | warmi: the scare are tabs? |
| 04:26:29 | warmi | that's way cool |
| 04:26:43 | kergoth | warmi: hehe. i love that. |
| 04:26:49 | chouimat | me too |
| 04:26:52 | warmi | chouimat : uh ? sorry I don't understand the question |
| 04:27:20 | chouimat | warmi: the code you pasted have little square in it |
| 04:27:26 | warmi | oh right .. yeah .. these are tabs :-) |
| 04:27:38 | warmi | I didn't display as squares for me though |
| 04:27:52 | warmi | but as "R" letter |
| 04:28:16 | warmi | strange - this client must be using ARM syntax for its internal colors/attributes encoding ;-) |
| 04:28:17 | kergoth | they look like oddly colored I's in my client |
| 04:28:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:28:20 | chouimat | brb most move the cat from my mouspad |
| 04:28:43 | chouimat | done |
| 04:29:12 | warmi | man , cats seems to be extremely popular among folks on this channel |
| 04:29:14 | warmi | heh |
| 04:29:52 | warmi | chouimat :: PPC 601 ? what is that ? |
| 04:30:04 | warmi | the thing that apple uses these days ( power PC ) ? |
| 04:30:37 | chouimat | warmi: first generation PowerPC |
| 04:31:01 | warmi | oh ok |
| 04:31:06 | warmi | never played with these |
| 04:31:14 | chouimat | warmi: quite nice |
| 04:31:20 | warmi | but I am sure it is better than X86 stuff :-) |
| 04:31:31 | warmi | although, these days intel stuff is not all that bad |
| 04:31:32 | kergoth | warmi: most things are |
| 04:31:35 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:31:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:31:56 | kergoth | i just dislike intel. doesnt matter whether its a capable instruction set or not |
| 04:32:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:32:05 | chouimat | warmi: you speak of the IA-64? |
| 04:32:22 | warmi | all of this nonsese with microcode crap is basically gone ( in the sense that nobody uses it anymore ) |
| 04:32:34 | warmi | people and compilers tend to use short risk style instructions |
| 04:32:50 | warmi | the only dinosaur still in use is REPx style stuff |
| 04:33:08 | warmi | chouimat : no, I speak of Pentium etc .. |
| 04:33:08 | chouimat | kergoth: x86 is like windows (patch after patch after patch just to keep the compat with older release) |
| 04:33:13 | warmi | I haven't seen IA-64 yet |
| 04:33:36 | kergoth | chouimat: exactly |
| 04:33:39 | chouimat | warmi: seen it on the paper. kind of PA-RISC |
| 04:33:55 | warmi | chouimat: yeah .. if you feel like you can still go back to 64 kb (real mode) :-) |
| 04:34:09 | warmi | in fact, this is still the mode pentium boots into :-) |
| 04:34:11 | chouimat | kergoth: just look at the X86-64 |
| 04:34:17 | kergoth | chouimat: k |
| 04:34:27 | warmi | chouimat : it is compatible with X86 stuff or does it emulate x86 ? |
| 04:34:40 | warmi | I know nothing about IA-64 |
| 04:35:15 | chouimat | warmi: AMD x86-64 keep the old 16 and 32 bit legacy and add x86 like 64bit instruction |
| 04:35:44 | chouimat | warmi: the ia-64 i think it emulate the x86 but the native 64bit mode is written from scratch |
| 04:35:51 | warmi | 64 bit ... hmm , how did named them EAXX ? |
| 04:35:52 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:36:07 | warmi | ah ok |
| 04:36:13 | chouimat | warmi: 128 register hmmmm 1 - 128 :) |
| 04:36:18 | warmi | well, after 20 years of using the same old crap |
| 04:36:25 | warmi | it was time to move onto something else |
| 04:36:29 | warmi | 128 registers ?? |
| 04:36:30 | chouimat | warmi: r1 to r128 |
| 04:36:36 | warmi | holly crap |
| 04:36:57 | warmi | and I thought ARM was cool with its 16 registers set |
| 04:37:00 | chouimat | warmi: yup and 128 Floating Point one and 256 special registers (can be use for both) |
| 04:37:14 | chouimat | warmi: PowerPC 601 had 32 register |
| 04:37:21 | warmi | this is like having your own - on board cache |
| 04:37:23 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:37:27 | kergoth | 128 registers? |
| 04:37:28 | kergoth | dear god |
| 04:37:30 | kergoth | ponders |
| 04:37:56 | warmi | I wonder if they have multiple register transfer mode - ARM style |
| 04:38:03 | chouimat | warmi: must go back to the doc to be sure of the ia-64 but it's 128 integer registers and 128 FP |
| 04:38:05 | warmi | that would be something .... |
| 04:38:27 | chouimat | kergoth: enough to play? |
| 04:38:39 | kergoth | warmi: if it has multiple register transfer, i think i'm in love |
| 04:38:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:38:43 | warmi | if they go that route - soon we will have to have virtual memory unit just for the damn registers :-) |
| 04:38:47 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:39:15 | jlb-z | Grrr. Is there a way in either konq or opera to "save as" or "save link as"? |
| 04:39:39 | chouimat | ok just found my IA-64 Linux Developer's kit |
| 04:39:45 | kergoth | jlb-z: copy url. run embeddedconsole. use wget. :) |
| 04:39:48 | warmi | jlb: you mean like for off-line reading ? |
| 04:40:03 | warmi | yeah, if you want to read off-line use wget |
| 04:40:05 | warmi | works much better |
| 04:40:13 | warmi | chouimat : you are into this stuff ? |
| 04:40:23 | warmi | I haven't even seen IA-64 box yet |
| 04:40:57 | chouimat | warmi: no just ordered the emulator :) |
| 04:41:11 | jlb-z | kergoth: hehe been doing that... is there a paste in the console? the paste keystroke didn't seem to do the trick |
| 04:41:34 | jlb-z | warmi: mostly for grabbing ipks easily |
| 04:41:41 | warmi | ah ok |
| 04:42:08 | warmi | well, I am not sure if I would call downloading anything on the zaurus itself "easy" :-) |
| 04:42:20 | warmi | at least, for me it would be faster to just copy the damn thing from the desktop |
| 04:42:24 | jlb-z | has been "pasting" the hard way |
| 04:42:53 | jlb-z | is using 802.11... so no worries there |
| 04:43:01 | warmi | chouimat : do you code anything for the ZAurus ? |
| 04:43:24 | warmi | how do you call network that uses good old ethernet cable ? |
| 04:43:32 | warmi | this is what I am using for my zaurus :-) |
| 04:43:46 | chouimat | warmi: I do pocketscan and another project but they are not ready |
| 04:43:49 | jlb-z | grumps at people mime-typing .ipk text/plain |
| 04:43:51 | warmi | no fancy , shmancy 802.xx stuff :-) |
| 04:43:56 | jlb-z | hehe |
| 04:44:21 | jlb-z | you probably get more battery life than I do ;) |
| 04:44:43 | warmi | chouimat is it listed somewhere yet ? or still the only place it can be found is your machine ? |
| 04:45:10 | warmi | jlb : yeah , I think I do - although my CF nic is not all that good either |
| 04:45:17 | warmi | but I keep my Z mostly on the leash :-) |
| 04:45:27 | warmi | I don't carry it around - use just for coding |
| 04:45:32 | jlb-z | ah |
| 04:46:08 | chouimat | warmi: not avalaible yet |
| 04:46:30 | warmi | pocketscan : that would be a network sniffer of sorts ? |
| 04:46:43 | warmi | or port scanner perhaps |
| 04:46:47 | jlb-z | mine exists mostly for wireless. Otherwise it's a really expensive alarm clock ;) |
| 04:47:22 | chouimat | warmi: nessus client |
| 04:47:31 | warmi | jlb-z yeah .. I know , but I got mine for free and therefore I do not feel any pressure in this regard ;-) |
| 04:47:52 | chouimat | warmi: and yes I know znessus but mine scan actualy :) |
| 04:48:01 | warmi | oh right .. |
| 04:48:12 | warmi | chouimat are you that guy who took part in this Sharp challenge ? |
| 04:48:26 | warmi | I seem to recall that there was a nessus client option available there |
| 04:48:36 | chouimat | warmi: yes |
| 04:48:53 | warmi | did you get your Z yet ? |
| 04:48:59 | chouimat | yes |
| 04:49:01 | warmi | I heard there were some problems with it |
| 04:49:12 | chouimat | warmi: the z nope |
| 04:49:48 | warmi | well, I recall reading some logs from this channel and seeing people whining about disapearing Zs ( from that contest ) etc ... :-) |
| 04:50:00 | warmi | anyway, it was long time ago |
| 04:50:44 | | I haven't seen 'bre33y', warmi |
| 04:50:44 | warmi | ibot seen bre33y |
| 04:51:11 | warmi | br33zy: 14924 seconds idle |
| 04:51:13 | warmi | uh .. |
| 04:51:27 | warmi | I guess privmsg him would be kind of pointless |
| 04:51:28 | warmi | heeh |
| 04:53:37 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 04:53:55 | jlb-z | ugh. so if I click on a link to an ipk, and let opera display the gibberish, and then click the globe icon, the URL is highlighted and I can copy it. argh :) |
| 04:54:08 | warmi | heh |
| 04:54:11 | warmi | good night |
| 05:01:14 | br33zy | lol |
| 05:38:32 | hash | my Z keyboard is weird |
| 05:38:38 | hash | how can i turn off the 'fn lock'? |
| 05:38:41 | hash | fn is always on |
| 06:55:24 | cdm | so what is killer and exciting? |
| 06:55:53 | oGMo | good question |
| 07:03:09 | hash | damn qtopiagnuboy |
| 07:03:18 | hash | i played zelda for like 20 minutes |
| 07:03:23 | hash | and it didnt save my game |
| 07:03:31 | hash | unless there is a save point or something |
| 07:06:09 | oGMo | you have to tell it to save |
| 07:06:18 | oGMo | select-start or something on the overworld map |
| 07:06:37 | oGMo | if you're playing in an emulator, just snapshot save, much nicer ;) |
| 07:09:49 | scanline | is back (gone 07:29:47) |
| 07:10:48 | hash | oGMo: how would you do that in qtopiagnuboy? |
| 07:15:17 | scanline | in zelda you save with A-B-START-SELECT |
| 07:15:37 | scanline | it gives you a menu, and you can save.. it will save your current status, and your position at the last door you went through |
| 07:15:51 | scanline | the kids playing ball by the library will tell you this |
| 07:15:51 | hash | dang |
| 07:15:57 | hash | hehe |
| 07:16:01 | hash | that's hard to push |
| 07:16:04 | hash | on the Z |
| 07:16:09 | hash | wish those buttons were mapped |
| 07:16:12 | scanline | what's the button mapping for qtopiagnuboy? |
| 07:16:30 | hash | i wish you told me... hehe |
| 07:16:56 | hash | no1 bad thing about qtopiagnuboy |
| 07:17:18 | hash | the damn thing isnt registered in the process list |
| 07:17:27 | hash | so if you hit the "home" button, you are screwed |
| 07:17:34 | hash | you cant swap back to it |
| 07:17:39 | hash | no1. keyboard mapping |
| 07:17:43 | hash | no2 i mean |
| 07:17:50 | hash | no3, no scaling |
| 07:17:59 | hash | dang |
| 07:18:10 | hash | playing these games i'm afraid its going to wear out my keyboard |
| 07:18:15 | Bala | heh |
| 07:18:57 | Bala | make sure you play extra lots then.. so it dies while its still under warrenty |
| 07:18:58 | Bala | :) |
| 07:19:29 | hash | ha ha |
| 07:19:50 | hash | very fast |
| 07:19:54 | hash | but sound sucks |
| 07:21:54 | hash | jessh |
| 07:21:58 | hash | zelda is such a great game |
| 07:22:01 | hash | any other suggestions? |
| 07:27:41 | scanline | hash: What I meant by keyboard mapping was, what keys do you press to correspond to A, B, Select, Start? |
| 07:27:48 | hash | um |
| 07:27:53 | hash | a is 'k' |
| 07:28:00 | hash | b is 'h' |
| 07:28:07 | scanline | haha |
| 07:28:09 | hash | select is the middle button |
| 07:28:12 | scanline | that's.. dumb |
| 07:28:18 | hash | i can change it? |
| 07:28:22 | scanline | I'm not sure |
| 08:05:49 | nr | good morning all ! |
| 08:06:44 | scanline | Portal Theory - To Breathe |
| 08:06:56 | scanline | oops, wrong channel |
| 08:10:20 | Wolfspirit | hello, I was wondering if anyone has had problems with running the rotation setting under the qtopia environment.. such as programs crashing and weird views. If so, is there a fix for this? Still searching the web but thought that I would shoot this question to the room as well. Thank you. |
| 08:15:35 | noidd | ello |
| 08:19:01 | Wolfspirit | ello |
| 08:19:11 | noidd | hows it going? |
| 08:23:50 | Twiun | heya noidd |
| 08:26:55 | Wolfspirit | hello, I was wondering if anyone has had problems with running the rotation setting under the qtopia environment.. such as programs crashing and weird views. If so, is there a fix for this? Still searching the web but thought that I would shoot this question to the room as well. Thank you. |
| 08:27:04 | noidd | long time no see Twiun |
| 08:27:09 | noidd | my fault entirely |
| 08:27:12 | Twiun | noidd: Yeah ;-) |
| 08:27:22 | Twiun | noidd: I'm never to blame for anything... honest! |
| 08:27:27 | noidd | Wolfspirit: have you installed all the packages? |
| 08:27:31 | noidd | hehe |
| 08:27:40 | noidd | I went to linux expo yesterday |
| 08:27:45 | noidd | and sharp had a "stand" |
| 08:27:48 | Twiun | oooo |
| 08:27:55 | noidd | or should I say a corner of a table :-/ |
| 08:28:14 | Twiun | that cheap, eh? |
| 08:28:23 | noidd | in fact, they were donated a few square feet of table by gllug (a linux user group) |
| 08:28:33 | noidd | i'm not joking |
| 08:28:57 | Twiun | what were they showing? |
| 08:29:13 | noidd | just had their head of UK sales there selling zaurus' |
| 08:29:22 | Twiun | lol |
| 08:29:24 | noidd | taking credit card numbers |
| 08:29:27 | noidd | sighs |
| 08:29:39 | noidd | he was a nice guy and all |
| 08:29:42 | noidd | and we had a good chat |
| 08:30:17 | noidd | but I get the impression that they had no budget |
| 08:30:31 | Twiun | I'm not all that surprised |
| 08:30:34 | Wolfspirit | noidd: just the rotation package right? |
| 08:30:51 | noidd | Wolfspirit: there should be 3 or 4 packages you need to install |
| 08:30:58 | Twiun | I'm starting to think about heading towards Waba instead j2me for my java stuff... and sod the zaurus |
| 08:31:00 | noidd | qt-rptate |
| 08:31:04 | noidd | qpe roptate |
| 08:31:09 | noidd | fonts |
| 08:31:09 | Twiun | Sun/Sharp aren't making enough of an effort |
| 08:31:17 | noidd | and anti typo code for noidd |
| 08:31:32 | noidd | well, I sold 4 while I was there |
| 08:31:46 | noidd | but its not my job |
| 08:31:53 | noidd | i'm just enthusiastic about the product |
| 08:31:53 | Twiun | Hahaha |
| 08:31:56 | Wolfspirit | I installed qpe-rotation |
| 08:31:59 | noidd | its a shame that the company isn't |
| 08:32:06 | noidd | did you install qt-rotation? |
| 08:32:09 | Twiun | I agree |
| 08:32:12 | noidd | lemme look at my feed |
| 08:32:15 | noidd | and i'll tell you |
| 08:32:40 | noidd | Wolfspirit: I use: |
| 08:32:40 | noidd | |
| 08:32:45 | noidd | qpe-rotation_1.5.0-3_arm.ipk |
| 08:32:49 | noidd | qt-embedded-rotation_2.3.2-3_arm.ipk |
| 08:33:02 | Wolfspirit | both of them? |
| 08:33:06 | noidd | and the fonts file |
| 08:33:07 | noidd | yes |
| 08:33:16 | noidd | lost the fonts package - just a sec - i'll re-download it |
| 08:33:21 | Wolfspirit | where did you get those exact files, do oyu remember? |
| 08:33:33 | Wolfspirit | oyu = you |
| 08:33:44 | scanline | oyu != you |
| 08:33:44 | scanline | :) |
| 08:33:46 | | feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or at http://zfi.zaurii.com/ |
| 08:33:46 | noidd | ibot, feeds? |
| 08:33:55 | noidd | no, but i'll find them for you now |
| 08:34:13 | Wolfspirit | coolage, I apreciate it |
| 08:34:38 | Wolfspirit | the sight I got it from, didn't talk of anything extra needed |
| 08:35:37 | Wolfspirit | ack! I meant site... I'm tired lol |
| 08:36:12 | noidd | hehe |
| 08:36:13 | Twiun | Wolfspirit: what are you (still|already) doing up at this unnatural hour? |
| 08:36:16 | Twiun | grins |
| 08:38:23 | Wolfspirit | Twiun: actually I fell asleep on mu couch.. I have to be at work at 6:00 A.M. EST |
| 08:38:58 | Wolfspirit | I figured.. there is no point in sleeping (trying to sleep) for 30 min. I would never get up |
| 08:39:12 | Twiun | unnatural either way ;-) If I had a job I'd be at work right now... |
| 08:39:49 | noidd | hmm, not where I left it |
| 08:39:53 | Wolfspirit | I have to get off of here soon, but if I can get this rotation app working before I leave then it would awsome |
| 08:39:53 | noidd | checking various feeds |
| 08:39:56 | noidd | i'll find it for you |
| 08:39:59 | Wolfspirit | that's cool |
| 08:40:02 | noidd | dont move |
| 08:40:05 | Wolfspirit | I apreciate greatly |
| 08:40:07 | Wolfspirit | k |
| 08:40:12 | noidd | you leave before I find it and i'll hunt you down :-) |
| 08:40:18 | Wolfspirit | heheheh |
| 08:40:23 | Wolfspirit | to bad I can't chat at work |
| 08:40:57 | Wolfspirit | we can't do anything with our stations at work, it sucks... that's partly the reason i got the zaurus ; ) |
| 08:41:04 | Wolfspirit | linux in a pocket |
| 08:44:38 | Wolfspirit | if I get off of here noidd before you get those, if you ever find them, could you email them to parrotjm@email.uc.edu |
| 08:45:02 | noidd | ok, go to bed |
| 08:45:06 | noidd | i'll try to email you |
| 08:45:13 | Wolfspirit | actually, go to work lol |
| 08:45:21 | Wolfspirit | thanks, you've been really helpful |
| 08:45:32 | | okay, noidd. |
| 08:45:32 | noidd | ibot, my todo is also email parrotjm@email.uc.edu rotation details |
| 08:45:34 | Wolfspirit | you don't find that to often in chat rooms |
| 08:46:10 | noidd | we are special :-) |
| 08:46:30 | noidd | going to look on my zaurus for the package list i think |
| 08:55:24 | noidd | hehe, nice nick :-) |
| 08:56:16 | DinoZaurus | I just could not resist |
| 08:57:05 | | Harlekin was last seen on #zaurus 11 hours, 35 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: ah [Thu Oct 10 15:21:14 2002] |
| 08:57:05 | scanline | ibot: seen Harlekin? |
| 09:00:03 | DinoZaurus | Has anyone tried to test SD read/write speed on the zaurus? I just tested my Kingston 128M CF card, read 3.1MB/s write 2.6MB/s and internal storage 2.53MB/s write, 23.0MB/s read. |
| 09:00:30 | DinoZaurus | If not, who is willing to type two commands to test his SD card? |
| 09:00:43 | smee|h | me |
| 09:00:51 | noidd | I will |
| 09:00:56 | noidd | give us commands |
| 09:01:00 | DinoZaurus | Start a console: |
| 09:01:07 | DinoZaurus | cd /mnt/card |
| 09:01:39 | DinoZaurus | time dd if=/dev/zero of=./testfile count=20000 |
| 09:01:58 | noidd | mine isn't mounted there - but thats ok :-) |
| 09:02:10 | DinoZaurus | just go whereever it is. |
| 09:02:27 | DinoZaurus | what 'real' times do you get? |
| 09:02:48 | DinoZaurus | That was for write speed, do |
| 09:03:13 | DinoZaurus | time dd of=/dev/null if=./testfile count=20000 |
| 09:03:17 | DinoZaurus | for read speed. |
| 09:03:25 | smee|h | guess I need to install 'time' |
| 09:03:51 | DinoZaurus | Ah. I have a 5000D |
| 09:03:56 | DinoZaurus | I forgot to mention that |
| 09:04:16 | noidd | timing |
| 09:04:26 | noidd | so what card do you have and what time did you get? |
| 09:05:11 | DinoZaurus | You need bash to do that, I think it's an internal command |
| 09:05:26 | noidd | no, time is an executable |
| 09:05:31 | DinoZaurus | I have a kingston CF card 128MB |
| 09:06:17 | noidd | I get a time of 29.878 seconds |
| 09:06:26 | noidd | which is 0.342MB/s |
| 09:06:35 | DinoZaurus | I got 3.815 for write 10MB test, 3.200 for read 10MB |
| 09:06:54 | smee|h | where do I get time from? |
| 09:06:56 | DinoZaurus | whoa. can you check the file size for me? |
| 09:07:07 | noidd | 10.24 meg |
| 09:07:15 | noidd | but.... |
| 09:07:24 | noidd | I know why its slower |
| 09:07:29 | DinoZaurus | Are you plugged into mains power? |
| 09:07:34 | noidd | nope |
| 09:07:45 | DinoZaurus | Insert that and try again :) |
| 09:07:49 | noidd | want me to put you out of your misery? |
| 09:07:51 | DinoZaurus | Should be faster. |
| 09:07:55 | noidd | ok, testing |
| 09:09:05 | DinoZaurus | Flashing consumes lots of power, being hooked up to the power adapter means it should go faster (at least it is for a bunch of other PDAs |
| 09:09:12 | noidd | 27.157secs |
| 09:09:35 | noidd | so, want me to tell you why? :-) |
| 09:09:41 | DinoZaurus | yes please... |
| 09:09:50 | noidd | i'm testing an SD card |
| 09:09:54 | noidd | not a CF card :-) |
| 09:09:55 | DinoZaurus | (it was a bit faster tho :) |
| 09:10:38 | DinoZaurus | Yes, I asked to test an SD card, just to know how fast they are on the Z |
| 09:10:53 | DinoZaurus | How is the read speed? |
| 09:10:55 | noidd | well, that was a 256Meg compaq SD card |
| 09:11:00 | noidd | testing |
| 09:11:11 | noidd | have to reboot for that |
| 09:11:16 | DinoZaurus | Eh? |
| 09:11:20 | DinoZaurus | why reboot? |
| 09:11:20 | noidd | btw, you know your read and write times up there |
| 09:11:29 | noidd | you did reboot before doing the read test right? |
| 09:11:36 | DinoZaurus | no, I did not. |
| 09:11:45 | noidd | reboot your Z and try it again |
| 09:11:47 | DinoZaurus | So they're in cache.... |
| 09:11:50 | noidd | it will slow |
| 09:11:52 | DinoZaurus | Dump me. |
| 09:11:56 | noidd | probably some in cash :-) |
| 09:12:15 | DinoZaurus | s/dump/dumb |
| 09:14:57 | smee|h | I have absolutely nothing for breakfast |
| 09:15:00 | smee|h | hmm |
| 09:15:41 | noidd | ok, time dd if=testfile of=/dev/null |
| 09:15:48 | noidd | 15 seconds |
| 09:15:49 | DinoZaurus | noidd: my read time remains at 3.2sec |
| 09:16:09 | noidd | i'm confused |
| 09:16:16 | noidd | if your read time stays the same |
| 09:16:28 | noidd | then why are your read and write times out by an order of magnitude? |
| 09:16:47 | DinoZaurus | Oh, I was testing CF again. |
| 09:17:01 | DinoZaurus | Should I test internal again? |
| 09:17:06 | noidd | yes |
| 09:17:08 | noidd | do internal |
| 09:17:12 | noidd | reboot, yadda |
| 09:18:05 | DinoZaurus | Whoa. Write time is now 0.779 before extra reboot. |
| 09:18:20 | DinoZaurus | Uh. oops. that would be the same. |
| 09:18:23 | DinoZaurus | rebooting |
| 09:18:51 | DinoZaurus | I should reallu change the startup image :) |
| 09:20:41 | noidd | I could be wrong - it might not be cacheing |
| 09:20:41 | noidd | but its something you should guard against |
| 09:21:29 | DinoZaurus | I don't think RAM R/W speed should be different by two orders |
| 09:22:23 | noidd | wierd init |
| 09:24:53 | DinoZaurus | Numbers stay the same, but now read was clean, not from cache (which should not matter for internal), read at ~10MB/s write at ~5MB/s |
| 09:25:56 | DinoZaurus | Once in the cache, read goes up to 25MB/s |
| 09:30:48 | DinoZaurus | smee|h: do you have bash installed on your Z? |
| 09:31:25 | DinoZaurus | time really seems to be interal to bash (i.e. 'help time' works) |
| 09:35:56 | smee|h | which time |
| 09:35:56 | smee|h | /usr/bin/time |
| 09:36:00 | smee|h | on my desktop |
| 09:38:46 | noiddicle | test |
| 09:38:54 | noiddicle | :-) |
| 09:39:14 | noidd | damn I love my Zaurus :-) |
| 09:40:01 | smee|h | is away: "food hunting" |
| 09:48:08 | DinoZaurus | noidd: You mean noiddicle you from the Z? |
| 09:48:36 | DinoZaurus | asked a dumb question looking at the entry messages :) |
| 09:49:21 | noidd | yes |
| 09:49:40 | noidd | just looking for more irc apps |
| 09:49:57 | noiddicle | brb. rotating |
| 09:51:00 | DinoZaurus | Hmmm. Combine gprs-bluetooth phone with Z+BT card and irc client and you can chat everywhere :) |
| 09:51:16 | DinoZaurus | needs more money |
| 09:51:18 | noiddicle | hehehe... indeed |
| 09:52:05 | DinoZaurus | I am thinking of building an external battery for my Z, does anyone have previous art? |
| 09:53:06 | smee|h | google thinks so |
| 09:53:19 | DinoZaurus | Just connect a 6 or 12V battery stepped down to 5V to the external power on the Z, should give me a batt. lifetime of >24 hours |
| 09:55:15 | DinoZaurus | smee|h: does that nick come from red dwarf? |
| 09:57:10 | noidd | its cold outside |
| 09:57:14 | noidd | no kinda atmostphere |
| 09:57:16 | noidd | i'm all alone, |
| 09:57:19 | noidd | more or less |
| 09:57:21 | noidd | let me fly |
| 09:57:24 | noidd | far away from here |
| 09:57:26 | noidd | etc etc etc |
| 09:57:33 | DinoZaurus | that one, yes. |
| 09:58:30 | noidd | not that i'm a fan or anything |
| 09:58:46 | noidd | bring back the original Holly! |
| 09:59:26 | DinoZaurus | I liked her. |
| 10:00:00 | noidd | him :-) |
| 10:00:33 | DinoZaurus | But I liked her best. |
| 10:01:42 | DinoZaurus | Actually, I liked almost everything. |
| 10:02:20 | DinoZaurus | I love the moving holly-is-has-motorised-monitor prop. |
| 10:02:35 | DinoZaurus | Especially when he wears a scarf and hat. |
| 10:02:40 | scan[pg] | red dwarf? |
| 10:02:49 | DinoZaurus | scan[pg]: yes |
| 10:02:53 | scan[pg] | nifty |
| 10:03:10 | scan[pg] | has almost all of red dwarf thanks to his roommate's boredom last semester |
| 10:03:30 | DinoZaurus | I have all on video, rapidly deteriorating tho. |
| 10:03:47 | scan[pg] | notes that this widget is still buggy.... |
| 10:05:31 | DinoZaurus | I recorded the first tape waaaay back in 1990 or so. |
| 10:06:46 | DinoZaurus | I guess I'll go find DVDs someday soon. |
| 10:08:22 | DinoZaurus | ok. bye |
| 10:08:35 | DinoZaurus | thanks for the SD tests |
| 10:10:44 | noidd | bah, i've lost the application which re-indexes my .ipks |
| 10:11:38 | | i think feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or at http://zfi.zaurii.com/ |
| 10:11:38 | noidd | ibot, feeds? |
| 10:22:55 | noidd | hmm, now if only i could work out how to get my packages to install on SD card |
| 10:23:05 | noidd | need docs, hmmm |
| 11:03:41 | smee|h | heh, vague Red Dwarf references there, yeah |
| 11:07:02 | noidd | ello again |
| 11:07:47 | smee|h | just had a disappointing mozzarella baguette in Crouch End |
| 11:08:01 | noidd | and you're surprised? |
| 11:08:09 | noidd | smee|h: did you go to linux expo btw? |
| 11:08:16 | noidd | and see the Sharp Zaurus stand? |
| 11:09:36 | smee|h | sadly no |
| 11:09:52 | smee|h | ended yesterday didnt it |
| 11:10:16 | smee|h | there is a magpie trying to break into my flat |
| 11:10:47 | noidd | yews |
| 11:10:49 | noidd | yes |
| 11:11:00 | Twiun | smee|h: lol - I didn't realise you were in London? |
| 11:11:12 | smee|h | Twiun: yeah...N4 |
| 11:11:41 | noidd | my feed is compeletely broken |
| 11:11:56 | smee|h | I read that as 'head' then, heh |
| 11:12:01 | noidd | I need a new copy of the script that makes the Packages file I think |
| 11:13:19 | smee|h | noidd: anything noteworthy at the expo? |
| 11:13:24 | Twiun | noidd: could be... I think they changed from using tar to using ar in the packaging somewhere |
| 11:14:23 | noidd | you serious? |
| 11:14:29 | noidd | when did that happen? |
| 11:16:08 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 11:16:58 | noidd | I go away for a few weeks and look what happens |
| 11:17:05 | noidd | smee|h: not really - pretty dull |
| 11:17:08 | noidd | like every year |
| 11:17:20 | noidd | but met some interesting people, and saw some interesting stuff |
| 11:17:24 | smee|h | big furry penguins |
| 11:18:16 | smee|h | noidd: ah...no wonderful new linux handhelds then |
| 11:19:48 | noidd | no |
| 11:20:06 | noidd | "stand" is an exageration with respect to the sharp presence |
| 11:20:35 | noidd | more a borrowed corner of a table |
| 11:20:53 | smee|h | I see |
| 11:21:04 | noidd | and it was the "gllug" table too - the greater london linux user group |
| 11:21:34 | smee|h | big budget stuff |
| 11:21:49 | noidd | ie, they got a free corner of a donated table (conference provides free tables to nfp orgs) |
| 11:29:17 | noidd | i've found the bug |
| 11:29:30 | noidd | it seems the Filename: filed in the control file is manditory |
| 11:29:41 | noidd | and most of my packages that i downloaded dont have them |
| 11:30:18 | noidd | which means, I need a version of mkPackages which makes its own Filename: field in the Packages file |
| 11:48:48 | kybu | hi |
| 11:49:03 | kybu | got anybody problem with qtopia-sdk from trolltech and using QDIr calss? |
| 11:49:10 | kybu | class? it segfaults |
| 11:51:39 | noidd | not i, sorry |
| 11:59:24 | Twiun | kybu: You'll have more luck with that type of question in another 2-3 hours, when the US starts getting up |
| 12:01:03 | kybu | Twiun :)) that t's the time, when i am going home :) |
| 12:02:42 | Twiun | Ah, then I'd suggest sending a mail to the appropriate mailing list... |
| 12:02:52 | Twiun | zaurus.sf.net has more details |
| 12:03:12 | scanline | hi Twiun |
| 12:03:28 | Twiun | hiya scanline |
| 12:04:08 | kybu | surely thNX |
| 12:05:33 | Twiun | scanline: looks like fbAWT has highlighted a bug in the J2ME implementation from Sun - and in Jeode too (different bugs though) |
| 12:05:46 | scanline | that's good and bad :) |
| 12:06:10 | ljp | bugs? |
| 12:06:16 | scanline | hi ljp |
| 12:06:50 | ljp | hello |
| 12:07:44 | Twiun | ljp: Yeah... cvm throws a ClassCastException on using any other awt peer implementation, and Jeode just won't run without Qtopia - regardless of which peers I use |
| 12:08:03 | Twiun | scanline: the good point with Sun is that they're working with me to track it down |
| 12:08:14 | scanline | Twiun: that's cool. What was the reason you couldn't use Kaffe? |
| 12:08:32 | ljp | hmm |
| 12:08:34 | scanline | ahh... this web browser looks spiffy |
| 12:08:35 | Twiun | scanline: The Kaffe maintainer hasn't got back to me with his Zaurus port |
| 12:08:45 | scanline | k |
| 12:08:59 | Twiun | otherwise I'd jump at the chance - and so would OZ I think |
| 12:09:05 | scanline | probably |
| 12:12:07 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/fluidity_atomicnav.png |
| 12:12:19 | ljp | does picogui have a embeddedkonsole like app? |
| 12:12:24 | scanline | HTML implementation is rather incomplete right now :) |
| 12:12:32 | scanline | ljp: yeah, there's a terminal emulator |
| 12:12:53 | scanline | ljp: right now it's missing some VT102 codes necessary to support most ncurses apps |
| 12:13:06 | scanline | that should be fixed shortly |
| 12:14:49 | ljp | cool |
| 12:16:11 | ljp | is there a bootmenu on iz yet? |
| 12:16:18 | scanline | I think so |
| 12:16:19 | ljp | errr oz |
| 12:16:57 | scanline | I'm not sure if the picogui packages compile right now because carpman added a new library that the launcher depends on now, and I haven't made an OZ package for that |
| 12:17:27 | scanline | I'm on a nice bugfixing spree right now... at this rate we might actually have a release soon |
| 12:17:28 | scanline | maybe :) |
| 12:18:29 | ljp | nice |
| 12:19:07 | scanline | I also have SDL apps working in portrait mode now |
| 12:19:20 | scanline | sdlgnuboy runs full speed in a window, portrait mode |
| 12:19:38 | ljp | picogui has built in SDL? |
| 12:19:40 | scanline | still no picogui-specific stuff like keymappings or settings dialogs, so it's hard to play with the default key mapping :) |
| 12:19:54 | scanline | ljp: SDL supports picogui, and picogui supports SDL :) |
| 12:20:09 | scanline | you can run SDL programs in picogui by compiling SDL with picogui support, and you can run the picogui server on SDL |
| 12:20:14 | scanline | so you can even run picogui inside picogui if you want |
| 12:21:15 | ljp | ahh mutual respect |
| 12:21:33 | scanline | yup.. I really like SDL |
| 12:22:03 | | rumour has it today is the first day of the rest of my life |
| 12:22:03 | noidd | ibot, today? |
| 12:22:15 | noidd | grumbles |
| 12:22:24 | scanline | hehe |
| 12:22:26 | | thanks scanline :) |
| 12:22:26 | scanline | ibot: botsnack |
| 12:22:46 | noidd | don't encourange it to give me smart-ass answers :-0 |
| 12:23:04 | scanline | thinks ibot is much better for comedy than real work :) |
| 12:23:12 | noidd | she has her moments |
| 12:23:20 | scanline | yeah.. |
| 12:23:23 | | oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi |
| 12:23:23 | scanline | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 12:23:43 | noidd | you guys know where I can get the latest version of "today" ?: |
| 12:23:47 | ljp | anyone know regexp? |
| 12:23:56 | scanline | noidd: join #opie and bug Harlekin, he's the author |
| 12:23:59 | noidd | i'm hoping that it may run on sharp rom |
| 12:24:08 | noidd | and monkeys my fly out of my ass :-/ |
| 12:24:15 | | i heard harlekin was one of the OPIE coordinators or responsible for "today" and some other sh.. , mail : mailto:harlekin@handhelds.org |
| 12:24:15 | scanline | ibot: harlekin? |
| 12:24:18 | ljp | noidd: myzaurus |
| 12:24:20 | noidd | ljp: I have a passable knowledge |
| 12:24:34 | noidd | ljp: went there - couldn;t find a link to it |
| 12:24:42 | ljp | how do I match all uppercase letters? spamfilter |
| 12:24:55 | noidd | [A-Z]+ |
| 12:25:30 | ljp | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=B22XCXD3CAFC258BFAD6E1E862A12684&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=29356§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 12:26:11 | ljp | I should really take time to learn regex |
| 12:26:13 | noidd | ljp: I went there - and a post said dont use the sept 30th one |
| 12:26:15 | noidd | so I didn;'t |
| 12:26:24 | noidd | i'll give that a go now |
| 12:26:45 | ljp | a post? |
| 12:26:55 | noidd | a comment I should say - on killefiz |
| 12:27:19 | noidd | said use the october one |
| 12:27:27 | noidd | 'cept I cant find an october one |
| 12:27:36 | noidd | not even in the opie feeds |
| 12:27:36 | ljp | package was fixed |
| 12:27:58 | noidd | the link you gave me was for the sepetember one |
| 12:28:18 | noidd | at least thats what I think today-20020930.zip inferrs |
| 12:28:50 | ljp | hmm |
| 12:29:50 | ljp | zip file's fine here |
| 12:29:57 | noidd | i'll try it |
| 12:30:01 | noidd | thanks :-0 |
| 12:31:57 | noidd | any chance you could check the filenam eand checksum for me? |
| 12:32:02 | numatrix | is back (gone 15:17:01) |
| 12:33:14 | numatrix | You guys want a new today ipk? I've got one in my OZ buildroot from yesterday. Don't know if it will work, but you could try... |
| 12:35:13 | noidd | thatwould be cool if you could knock it up for us |
| 12:35:19 | ljp | the new today at myzaurus is specially built for amd tested on sharp rom |
| 12:35:25 | noidd | I think the ipk i downloaded is broken |
| 12:35:37 | noidd | the control file looks like this: |
| 12:35:49 | noidd | inc 3 lines |
| 12:35:54 | noidd | (i'll just show the first 3) |
| 12:35:55 | noidd | |
| 12:36:12 | noidd | ignore me - i think i can fix it |
| 12:36:14 | noidd | sec |
| 12:36:55 | ljp | I just downloaded the one at myzaurus |
| 12:37:23 | noidd | I think I need to write my own "mkPackages" program |
| 12:37:49 | noidd | my Z wont install any package which the maintainer hasnt included a Filename: field in the contol file |
| 12:38:10 | noidd | since my current mkPackages just concatonates control files together |
| 12:39:48 | noidd | which is not optimal |
| 12:40:39 | scanline | fixes terminal bugs hoping to get emacs running cleanly in pterm |
| 12:48:58 | Data_ | is gone. Gone since Fri Sep 20 08:54:01 2002 |
| 12:49:20 | Twiun | Hiya Sniper1 |
| 12:49:29 | numatrix | noidd: What version rom are you running? |
| 12:49:40 | Sniper1 | g morning |
| 12:50:13 | noidd | 2.38 |
| 12:50:15 | noidd | ello sniper |
| 12:50:39 | numatrix | Rehubbing is a freaking pain in the arse. |
| 12:51:46 | Sniper1 | umm |
| 12:52:17 | noidd | ping numatrix (2.38) |
| 12:52:29 | numatrix | noidd: pong; thanks. That's strange. |
| 12:52:40 | noidd | i think its there now |
| 12:52:43 | numatrix | noidd: Somebody else was telling me they couldn't install an ipk of mine, but they were the first person I had heard descibe it. |
| 12:52:44 | noidd | yeah - it works |
| 12:52:49 | noidd | I juyst had to modify the packe |
| 12:52:57 | noidd | package |
| 12:53:02 | numatrix | noidd: You got it installed? Where are the docs on the Filename field in the ipk file? I haven't seen that anywhere. |
| 12:53:39 | noidd | I actually think its probably only manditory in the Packages file in a feed |
| 12:54:01 | noidd | and because the version of mkPackages I vhave onlyconcatonates control files... |
| 12:54:16 | noidd | any packages that dont contain a Filename: field in the control file fails |
| 13:01:43 | noidd | if I could change one thing about the sharp rom it would be... |
| 13:02:00 | noidd | the package manager would be a little more helpful that "Something went wrong. Sorry" |
| 13:03:22 | noidd | btw... |
| 13:03:44 | noidd | You know that sharp sent rasterman a Zaurus after persistant nagging |
| 13:03:48 | noidd | seems he's doing shit |
| 13:03:50 | noidd | :-D |
| 13:03:51 | noidd | |
| 13:03:53 | noidd | http://www.rasterman.com/pages/news.html |
| 13:04:04 | scanline | yeah... I should have done that :) |
| 13:04:11 | scanline | I asked for a free zaurus, but wasn't very persistent |
| 13:05:41 | noidd | "I'm about to embark on a Qtopia engine port so Evas has native Qtopia support for my Zaurus." |
| 13:05:55 | noidd | scanline: the secret was to persistantly ask for someone else |
| 13:06:27 | noidd | and someone else who has a track record for making fundimental changes in the way people think about technology like X |
| 13:07:16 | scanline | Enlightenment was revolutionary, but not really that revolutionary |
| 13:07:45 | noidd | it was revolutionary because it did things that people said couldn't be done. |
| 13:07:55 | scanline | make X pretty? |
| 13:08:08 | noidd | hehe |
| 13:08:16 | scanline | :) |
| 13:08:34 | noidd | evas under qtopia is going to be interesting |
| 13:08:42 | scanline | heh... |
| 13:08:55 | scanline | I'd rather use it on the framebuffer :) |
| 13:11:28 | noidd | true, it would be faster and nicer |
| 13:11:48 | noidd | problem is that you cant then switch between qpe and framebuffer |
| 13:11:50 | noidd | hmm |
| 13:11:58 | noidd | you know what "someone" should write :-) |
| 13:12:18 | noidd | some software that allows you to swiitch between arbitrary framebuffers |
| 13:12:44 | noidd | so you can have a framebuffer for qtopia, a framebuffer for evas, a framebuffer for Gtk |
| 13:12:46 | noidd | etc etc etc |
| 13:12:58 | scanline | ah.. linux already has that |
| 13:13:00 | noidd | and if you could switch between them, that would be sweet |
| 13:13:03 | scanline | virtual terminals |
| 13:13:13 | noidd | indeed |
| 13:13:25 | noidd | well, the effect, not quite the reality :-) |
| 13:13:25 | scanline | kergoth's working on making it easy to switch VTs in openzaurus |
| 13:13:31 | scanline | yes, the reality |
| 13:13:40 | scanline | VTs work with framebuffer apps if they're written properly |
| 13:13:52 | scanline | picogui fully supports VT switching, Opie sorta supports it, dunno about evas |
| 13:13:55 | noidd | the functionality was there before framebuffer was in the kernel tho wasn't it? |
| 13:14:17 | scanline | yes, but it's really independent of the framebuffer |
| 13:14:32 | scanline | the app uses ioctls and signals to synchronize it's drawing with the kernels' VT code |
| 13:15:29 | scanline | kergoth is making a boot menu that lets you launch one or more GUIs on different VTs, and a kernel patch that lets you switch between them with a key combination that exists on the Z's keyboard |
| 13:18:39 | noidd | whoa |
| 13:18:45 | noidd | all worship Kergoth (again) |
| 13:19:48 | tux_mike_ | schweet |
| 13:19:58 | tux_mike_ | more excues to upgrade my Z :) |
| 13:20:38 | noidd | heheh |
| 13:21:00 | tux_mike_ | does gpe run under X? |
| 13:21:22 | noidd | You know another "cool" app |
| 13:21:29 | scanline | tux_mike_: yes |
| 13:21:33 | noidd | but its probably way to large for someone to do in reasonable time |
| 13:22:03 | noidd | ponders |
| 13:22:10 | noidd | shuts up and reads - back in a bit |
| 13:26:14 | scanline | hm... some things have an incredibly high code to coolness ratio |
| 13:27:52 | noidd | like a Zaurus port of this? : |
| 13:27:53 | noidd | http://www.directfb.org/xdirectfb.xml |
| 13:28:06 | scanline | actually, that shouldn't be hard |
| 13:28:13 | scanline | it might even run right out of the box |
| 13:28:26 | scanline | my question is why you'd want it on a zaurus |
| 13:28:46 | scanline | it would probably be slow, and overlapping windows have very limited usefulness |
| 13:29:03 | noidd | limited unsefullness, unlimited coolness |
| 13:29:07 | scanline | :) |
| 13:29:17 | noidd | as you said - some things have a good coolness to code ratio |
| 13:29:21 | kolla | gtk+ on derectfb.. why not? |
| 13:29:26 | kolla | directfb even |
| 13:29:35 | scanline | kolla: that's X on directfb |
| 13:29:42 | noidd | indeed |
| 13:29:49 | scanline | gtk on directfb would be more useful.. or just plain X |
| 13:29:50 | noidd | but the other project is on the same web site |
| 13:29:55 | kolla | right |
| 13:29:58 | noidd | and was in fact what I am currently trying to port |
| 13:30:12 | scanline | there's no acceleration on the Z anyway, so all directfb gives you is compositing |
| 13:30:31 | scanline | on the desktop, directfb would be great.. or on embedded hardware that has acceleration |
| 13:32:24 | noidd | I'm wondering how practical it would be to swap my laptop to it |
| 13:32:29 | noidd | for sheer coolness value |
| 13:39:51 | stevnblinux | Hello all.:) HELP!! |
| 13:41:08 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 13:41:08 | stevnblinux | My new SL5500 was having some problems so I opted to restore from a backup I created a couple of days ago. The backup process starts and shows the bar at 100% and just hangs there. It never reboots. Any idea's??? |
| 13:41:41 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 13:41:45 | Cloudchaser | not really :( |
| 13:41:56 | numatrix | stevnblinux: How long has it been like that? |
| 13:41:58 | Cloudchaser | i haven't experienced that before |
| 13:42:09 | numatrix | stevnblinux: If it's really frozen up, you'll probably have to soft reset it. |
| 13:42:36 | stevnblinux | numatrix: about 10 minutes now, for the second time. Soft reset it the first and it crashed completely. would not boot. Had to hard reset and try again. |
| 13:42:47 | Cloudchaser | where is the backup? |
| 13:42:52 | stevnblinux | SD card. |
| 13:43:07 | Cloudchaser | and you can still *see* the card? |
| 13:43:29 | Cloudchaser | maybe your backup is no good |
| 13:43:41 | stevnblinux | Once I hard reset and it came back up, I was able to see the card again. |
| 13:43:59 | Cloudchaser | can you untar it on your pc and grab the data files and put them back manually? |
| 13:44:06 | stevnblinux | Possibly. |
| 13:44:15 | Cloudchaser | not quite sure of the commands but i believe the backup is just a tar file? |
| 13:44:48 | stevnblinux | Will have to hard reset again, bring up and get running then setup for sync etc..... If that is what I have to do then I guess that is what I have to do. SUCKS!!!!! |
| 13:45:01 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 13:45:36 | Cloudchaser | sound like your backup file might be bad |
| 13:46:15 | Cloudchaser | what got messed up on your z that prompted the restore? |
| 13:46:29 | Cloudchaser | is it possible the backup includes whatever messed you up? |
| 13:46:45 | Cloudchaser | and have you got enough space to restore it? |
| 13:47:48 | stevnblinux | The problem was fairly minor. I had setup the z to sync via wireless. Apparently if it fails to sync 100%, you can end up with partial data. |
| 13:48:05 | stevnblinux | Thus, my address book was suddenly missing many of my contacts etc... |
| 13:48:18 | stevnblinux | I simply wanted to restore so that I had known good data. |
| 13:48:19 | Cloudchaser | what rom? |
| 13:48:35 | smee|h | bye for now |
| 13:48:45 | stevnblinux | Wish I could say. Locked up right now so cant look with out hard reset. |
| 13:49:12 | stevnblinux | Backup was created before the wireless sync process so data should be there if I can restore it. |
| 13:49:34 | stevnblinux | Space wise, it should just overwrite into existing used memory shouldnt it? |
| 13:50:26 | Cloudchaser | i think so, unless your problem was caused by low memory to begin with |
| 13:50:32 | stevnblinux | I also have been experiencing complete lockups fairly often (3-4 times a day) requiring soft reboots. |
| 13:50:39 | Cloudchaser | what type of sd card? |
| 13:50:42 | Cloudchaser | and size? |
| 13:50:49 | stevnblinux | I dont think so. Was only using about 30% of avail resources. |
| 13:50:53 | stevnblinux | 128MB |
| 13:51:01 | Cloudchaser | sandisk? |
| 13:51:08 | stevnblinux | yes |
| 13:51:19 | Cloudchaser | that's your problem |
| 13:51:23 | stevnblinux | ??? |
| 13:51:30 | Cloudchaser | if you don't have rom 2.38 which you apparently don't |
| 13:51:36 | Cloudchaser | if you can synch via wireless |
| 13:51:56 | Cloudchaser | is the sandisk a new sd card or fairly new? |
| 13:51:56 | stevnblinux | so 2.38 wont allow wireless sync? |
| 13:52:03 | Cloudchaser | no it won't |
| 13:52:04 | stevnblinux | brand new. |
| 13:52:08 | stevnblinux | why not? |
| 13:52:21 | Cloudchaser | the timing was changed some months back on sandisk 128 sd cards |
| 13:52:25 | Cloudchaser | the fix is in 2.38 |
| 13:52:30 | Cloudchaser | but also there are security fixes |
| 13:52:42 | stevnblinux | so 2.38 fixes sd problem, but it breaks wireless sync? |
| 13:52:43 | Cloudchaser | that prevent wireless/wired ethernet synch |
| 13:52:47 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 13:52:52 | Cloudchaser | thats about the size of it |
| 13:52:56 | stevnblinux | that bites. |
| 13:53:00 | Cloudchaser | i *think* there might be a patch |
| 13:53:05 | Cloudchaser | that you can patch 2.37 rom |
| 13:53:10 | stevnblinux | I HAVE to be able to sync wireless. |
| 13:53:19 | Cloudchaser | that does just the sd fix |
| 13:53:25 | Cloudchaser | but i dont' know much about that |
| 13:53:31 | Cloudchaser | as i just use 2.37 |
| 13:53:37 | stevnblinux | I run LTSP and so my workstation has no ability to plug a cradle or cable into. |
| 13:53:40 | Cloudchaser | i don't have 128mb sd card, just 64 |
| 13:53:55 | Cloudchaser | there were some other 128 mb brands that did work |
| 13:53:59 | Cloudchaser | with the 2.37 rom |
| 13:54:01 | noidd | re |
| 13:54:07 | Cloudchaser | hiya noidd |
| 13:54:10 | stevnblinux | brb |
| 13:54:16 | noidd | heya Cloudchaser, long time no see |
| 13:54:31 | Cloudchaser | been busy getting laid off and all |
| 13:55:13 | Cloudchaser | should have some time now though :) |
| 13:55:19 | paq | hi |
| 13:55:22 | Cloudchaser | until i find a new job |
| 13:55:38 | Cloudchaser | hi paq |
| 13:55:42 | noidd | hehe |
| 13:55:50 | noidd | well, wherebouts you looking for work? |
| 13:55:58 | Cloudchaser | ct/nyc area |
| 13:56:22 | Cloudchaser | i live in ct, can commute to nyc if necessary |
| 13:59:33 | noidd | gotcha |
| 13:59:38 | noidd | heyas AnqyQ |
| 14:05:35 | stevnblinux | ok. back. |
| 14:05:55 | paq | wb |
| 14:06:00 | stevnblinux | Cloudchaser: where do I get the updated rom? I have never installed a new rom on one of these so have no clue. |
| 14:06:00 | paq | hey steve, what do you run on ltsp? |
| 14:07:12 | stevnblinux | Our Support staff will be running on it. I currently am the only one using it daily. I run everything I do off of it. |
| 14:08:13 | stevnblinux | We are still trying to find a decent groupware product for Linux at a reasonable price before we start migrating our support people over. |
| 14:08:14 | Cloudchaser | its on myzaurus.com |
| 14:08:31 | stevnblinux | is the patch you were talking about on there as well? |
| 14:09:02 | Cloudchaser | i don't know |
| 14:09:07 | Cloudchaser | not sure where that is |
| 14:09:26 | stevnblinux | k. |
| 14:09:38 | stevnblinux | I will look around on myzaurus and see what I can find. |
| 14:09:44 | stevnblinux | Thanks for the info and help. |
| 14:09:53 | Cloudchaser | good luck |
| 14:09:54 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:09:54 | noidd | it is there |
| 14:09:59 | stevnblinux | thx |
| 14:10:00 | noidd | and the version you need is 2.38 |
| 14:10:17 | Cloudchaser | no he needs 2.37 |
| 14:10:21 | Cloudchaser | and the sd patch |
| 14:10:22 | noidd | oh? |
| 14:10:23 | noidd | ah |
| 14:10:33 | noidd | okie |
| 14:10:37 | stevnblinux | noidd: need wireless sync. |
| 14:10:43 | noidd | ah, understood |
| 14:11:23 | noidd | i didnt realise that they had packaged up the patch sepperatly |
| 14:11:27 | noidd | thats cool |
| 14:11:46 | Cloudchaser | i'm not positive, just i had heard it somewhere |
| 14:11:53 | noidd | i wish they'd just add iptables hooks to the kernal and all our problems would be solved :-) |
| 14:12:14 | noidd | Well, if you cant find the patch - come back and i'll send you the new kernel module |
| 14:12:27 | noidd | i'm reasonabbly sure the only change is the module that is insmodded |
| 14:13:26 | Cloudchaser | what new kernel? |
| 14:14:07 | stevnblinux | noidd: cool thx. |
| 14:14:21 | Cloudchaser | what new kernel? |
| 14:17:22 | numatrix | noidd: The newest OZ has iptables. |
| 14:17:42 | Cloudchaser | stevenblinux isn't using oz |
| 14:17:49 | Cloudchaser | he is using sharp rom |
| 14:17:56 | numatrix | Ok, gotcha; I see... (reads the whole thread) |
| 14:18:02 | stevnblinux | What is OZ? |
| 14:18:10 | noidd | no, but after that piece of information I will be in about 15 mins :-) |
| 14:18:45 | stevnblinux | By the way, my rom is 2.12.. |
| 14:19:14 | noidd | whoa |
| 14:19:17 | noidd | that is OLD |
| 14:20:17 | Cloudchaser | should at least go to 2.37 |
| 14:20:27 | stevnblinux | k. |
| 14:20:29 | Cloudchaser | and if a patch is available for sd use that |
| 14:20:35 | stevnblinux | will do. |
| 14:20:41 | Cloudchaser | if not, maybe return your sd card and try other brand |
| 14:20:52 | stevnblinux | What brands work better? |
| 14:20:53 | Cloudchaser | but if you need your z for work and reliability |
| 14:21:00 | Cloudchaser | oz is still beta |
| 14:21:04 | stevnblinux | yes i do. |
| 14:21:11 | stevnblinux | what is oz? |
| 14:21:14 | Cloudchaser | where sharp rom is more stable |
| 14:21:26 | Cloudchaser | oz is alternate rom for the zaurus |
| 14:21:37 | stevnblinux | where can i find info on it? |
| 14:21:40 | stevnblinux | myzaurus? |
| 14:21:43 | | i guess oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 14:21:43 | Cloudchaser | ibot oz |
| 14:21:43 | Sniper1 | bigboss |
| 14:21:52 | paqan | blah, sucky connect |
| 14:22:14 | paqan | steve - what kinda server:user do you guys plan to use on it, if ya don't mind me askin.. ? |
| 14:22:32 | stevnblinux | Not at all. |
| 14:23:15 | stevnblinux | Server is currently a dual pIII 1.3GHz with 1.5GB RAM, IDE Raid 5 with 3X 80GB HDD running RH 7.3 |
| 14:23:17 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 14:23:36 | stevnblinux | User's are on Jammin 125 Workstations from www.disklessworkstations.com |
| 14:23:45 | stevnblinux | New server is on the way. |
| 14:23:50 | paqan | steve - lol, that thing musta smoke for single user =) |
| 14:23:51 | chouimat | hi benmeyer |
| 14:24:03 | stevnblinux | lol. yep. pretty good. |
| 14:24:31 | numatrix | morning ben |
| 14:24:42 | stevnblinux | New serve is P4 2.4GHz with 3GB RAM, 4X SCSI 10k RPM HDD on Adaptec SCSI RAID 5. |
| 14:24:46 | paqan | steve - i'm thinkin of setting up remote x system, but something that's more scalable than ltsp... with ldap, openafs, etc.. |
| 14:24:49 | benmeyer | at home today, working on vpn |
| 14:25:03 | stevnblinux | cool. |
| 14:25:07 | numatrix | vpn is a wonderful thing. |
| 14:25:34 | chouimat | numatrix: when it's work |
| 14:25:48 | numatrix | chouimat: Like any good thing. |
| 14:26:02 | stevnblinux | be back soon. |
| 14:26:13 | chouimat | numatrix: must debug mine |
| 14:32:22 | BigBoss | yo |
| 14:32:48 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 14:34:03 | Cloudchaser | hiya darienm |
| 14:34:30 | darienm | grrr. Mac OS X hung on me, first time in 2 months |
| 14:34:56 | darienm | but anyway, HI ! |
| 14:35:13 | BigBoss | wow, that's odd, it never hangs |
| 14:35:18 | BigBoss | you running jaguar on it yet? |
| 14:35:19 | darienm | don't say 'never' |
| 14:35:35 | darienm | I was going to upgrade to 10.2.1 from 10.1.5 this evening |
| 14:35:42 | noidd | ello BigBoss, long time no see (my fault entirely) |
| 14:36:13 | BigBoss | darienm: it seems like Jaguar breaks lots of programs, but other than that it's very nice |
| 14:36:21 | BigBoss | noidd: how's life been for you then? |
| 14:36:30 | darienm | Yeah - I've been hesitating to install it because I use the programs it breaks. |
| 14:36:49 | noidd | BigBoss: pretty good I guess, work is plodding... but away from the wife for a while so that sucks |
| 14:37:12 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 14:37:23 | BigBoss | howdy chouimat |
| 14:37:26 | noidd | BigBoss: went to linux Expo in London yesterday, met one of snipers co-workers... be he's ignoring me on the basis that I have gossip about him :-) |
| 14:37:30 | BigBoss | did you hear the news about Spocks Beard? |
| 14:37:37 | chouimat | BigBoss: nope |
| 14:37:44 | BigBoss | Neal Morse quit |
| 14:38:01 | chouimat | BigBoss: well no more Spocks Beard |
| 14:39:08 | Sniper1 | bb: do you have any issues with tkcrekall? |
| 14:39:42 | chouimat | BigBoss: I got yesterday the forerunner of the new Luca Turili Album |
| 14:39:52 | Sniper | chouimat: anything for me.. :-) ? |
| 14:39:55 | BigBoss | Sniper: not that I'm aware of - why? |
| 14:40:06 | chouimat | Sniper: give me some times |
| 14:40:14 | Sniper | today? |
| 14:40:18 | BigBoss | chouimat: they say they are going to keep on, I can see them touring, but christ, Neal wrote everything. NDV is a good song writer, but not on that level |
| 14:40:30 | Sniper | bb: you're rekall has some icons missing |
| 14:40:37 | chouimat | Sniper: yup. |
| 14:41:05 | chouimat | BigBoss: they will find someone on par with neil |
| 14:41:32 | BigBoss | Sniper: never heard that complaint before. Are you using the latest version? |
| 14:42:42 | Sniper | bigboss: yes |
| 14:43:08 | Cloudchaser | there was new one just recently wasn't there? |
| 14:43:12 | BigBoss | Sniper: well that would be strange since we came out with a new release just a few days ago and I didn't give it to anyone at sharp |
| 14:43:13 | Cloudchaser | fixes |
| 14:43:23 | Sniper | bigboss: im using 1.1.0 beta 1 - is there a newer version? |
| 14:43:34 | Sniper | bigboss - its the demo |
| 14:43:49 | BigBoss | we didn't update the demo, but still haven't had that problem reported about icons |
| 14:43:53 | BigBoss | are you low on memory? |
| 14:44:02 | Cloudchaser | i used demo and had no problems with it |
| 14:44:06 | Sniper | hmmm |
| 14:44:07 | BigBoss | are you trying to do something specific with it that we can help with? |
| 14:44:15 | Sniper | cloudchaser: sharp ROM? |
| 14:44:16 | BigBoss | chouimat: http://www.radiantrecords.com/nealnote.htm |
| 14:45:14 | Sniper | bigboss: hmm .. i wonder what it might be |
| 14:45:19 | Sniper | bigboss: ill look at it again |
| 14:47:36 | Cloudchaser | sniper yes sharp rom 2.37 |
| 14:47:48 | Cloudchaser | what icons are missing? |
| 14:47:49 | Sniper | cloudchase: thanks |
| 14:47:52 | Cloudchaser | are they black? |
| 14:48:02 | Sniper | cloudchase: yes |
| 14:48:08 | Sniper | cloudchaser: darken.. cant see them |
| 14:48:10 | Cloudchaser | that happened before the updated version |
| 14:48:17 | Cloudchaser | with -21 kompany |
| 14:48:23 | Sniper | cloudchaser: can i get the updated version? |
| 14:48:27 | Cloudchaser | but the newest demo *should* take care of it |
| 14:48:47 | BigBoss | we didn't update the demo |
| 14:48:59 | Sniper | where can i get the newest demo? |
| 14:49:02 | Cloudchaser | i downloaded the one thats there |
| 14:49:11 | Cloudchaser | seemed to be fine |
| 14:49:26 | BigBoss | the demo has not been updated |
| 14:49:36 | BigBoss | Sniper: what is it you're trying to do? |
| 14:49:49 | Sniper | bigboss: i want to demo your app next week |
| 14:50:25 | BigBoss | who to? We can help you get a proper demo together |
| 14:51:16 | chouimat | BigBoss: he quits music for good? |
| 14:51:24 | BigBoss | now we did update the demo one time, but not this last update this week |
| 14:51:31 | BigBoss | if you have the very original demo, that might be the problem |
| 14:51:40 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 14:51:41 | Sniper | bb: i just have the demo downloaded from handango |
| 14:51:43 | BigBoss | chouimat: if you read what he says, he explains it - it's hard for me to explain it |
| 14:51:50 | BigBoss | Sniper: from how long ago? |
| 14:51:51 | Cloudchaser | the original one is wonky |
| 14:52:05 | Sniper | just downloaded it today |
| 14:52:13 | Sniper | it was that beta-1 version |
| 14:52:16 | chouimat | BigBoss: i have read and it's hard to me to fully understand |
| 14:52:36 | BigBoss | Sniper: I don't think we ever marked any of them as beta-1, at least I don't remember that |
| 14:52:52 | BigBoss | Sniper: just use that fake handango credit card and download the real version |
| 14:52:53 | Sniper | go to ABOUT - TKC REKALL and you can see it |
| 14:53:30 | BigBoss | i don't have it installed, not sure if I ever have because I've got the 5000 |
| 14:53:42 | kergoth | hey guys |
| 14:53:43 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 14:53:47 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 14:53:47 | kergoth | slams his coffee |
| 14:53:56 | Sniper | bb: ok - |
| 14:54:00 | fusion94 | po po kergoth |
| 14:54:05 | Sniper | bb: the handango one needs to be updated |
| 14:54:06 | chouimat | CNN is boring again today |
| 14:54:16 | BigBoss | chouimat: basically Neal is saying that GOD told him to quit and do something else and that HE would tell him what that is later |
| 14:54:34 | BigBoss | Sniper: we don't have a new demo version yet, we just updated the regular version this week |
| 14:54:56 | Sniper | bb: hmmm what version of qpe-thekompany do i need? |
| 14:55:11 | chouimat | BigBoss: that I understand it's the why I can't understand (some philogical conflict here :) |
| 14:55:16 | BigBoss | the latest, -21 |
| 14:55:37 | Sniper | bb: that could be it... where can i d/l that? |
| 14:55:45 | BigBoss | chouimat: there is no real why - he has become a very devout christian over the last number of years, and he feels very strongy he is being guided in a particular path |
| 14:56:18 | chouimat | BigBoss: I wish him goodluck |
| 14:56:26 | tux_mike_ | hrm... |
| 14:59:54 | tux_mike_ | gets his porche stuck on another cable |
| 15:01:43 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 15:02:28 | benmeyer | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=618 |
| 15:02:50 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 15:03:10 | fusion94 | benmeyer: whereis jason ? |
| 15:03:33 | benmeyer | in seatal |
| 15:03:37 | benmeyer | at microsoft |
| 15:04:42 | Twiun | gone spying a bit has he? |
| 15:06:04 | benmeyer | he went to the ce confernece |
| 15:06:08 | benmeyer | that ms is putting on |
| 15:06:16 | benmeyer | or pocketpc |
| 15:06:23 | benmeyer | forget which it iscalled no2w |
| 15:06:32 | Twiun | ahh |
| 15:07:50 | kolla | how to create confusion on a pocketpc conference... "Will there be PPC for the PCC?" |
| 15:07:57 | kolla | at a .. |
| 15:08:31 | chouimat | kolla: PPC? PCC? |
| 15:09:24 | kolla | chouimat: right :) |
| 15:09:47 | chouimat | kolla: better when the PPC version of PPC? |
| 15:11:43 | kolla | mm |
| 15:12:14 | chouimat | kolla: :) |
| 15:12:58 | anggarda | syncing zaurus with linux help, anyone? |
| 15:13:11 | Speedy2 | re |
| 15:13:13 | kolla | anggarda: syncing what? |
| 15:13:25 | anggarda | kolla, the zaurus. |
| 15:13:28 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 15:13:29 | kolla | I usually just use netcat and tar |
| 15:13:33 | Speedy2 | Hi kergoth. |
| 15:13:40 | kolla | anggarda: but what do you mean by "syncing"? |
| 15:13:54 | kolla | the filesystem? home directory? PIM software? |
| 15:14:08 | kolla | I mean.. PIM data |
| 15:14:12 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Any luck with the DDRS? |
| 15:14:23 | anggarda | kolla, wow...PIM software. |
| 15:14:45 | kolla | anggarda: ah, ok. |
| 15:14:54 | kolla | anggarda: it's all xml data anyways, I think |
| 15:15:03 | anggarda | I'm recompiling my kernel.. |
| 15:15:13 | chouimat | grrr |
| 15:15:21 | chouimat | kolla: did you decipher my PPC thing? |
| 15:15:36 | anggarda | kolla, I can't seem to find "Code maturity level options", select "Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers" |
| 15:15:36 | anggarda | in "USB support", section "USB Network adaptors", select (as a module) "USBD Network (Encapsulated) Host-to-Host Link (EXPERIMENTAL)" |
| 15:17:11 | kolla | chouimat: when the powerpc version of pocketpc? :) |
| 15:17:33 | kolla | anggarda: what's this got to do with syncing? |
| 15:17:48 | kolla | anggarda: hm.. at what level is your problem.. USB support? |
| 15:18:00 | chouimat | kolla: last time I used it, it was very funny :) |
| 15:18:07 | anggarda | I can't find the "USBD Network (Encapsulated) Host-to-Host Link (EXPERIMENTAL)" |
| 15:18:34 | kergoth | anggarda: you wont find it unless you patched your kernel sources |
| 15:18:39 | kergoth | anggarda: read and follow the howto |
| 15:18:45 | anggarda | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 15:18:47 | kolla | anggarda: first kernel option |
| 15:18:50 | anggarda | I'm here. |
| 15:18:53 | kergoth | anggarda: yes, read it. |
| 15:18:54 | kolla | should be in the very first menu |
| 15:19:28 | anggarda | kolla, thanks. I was under the impression that the module was build into the kernel. |
| 15:21:01 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The HDD, any luck? |
| 15:22:28 | kergoth | Speedy2: it came up for a few minutes again.. ;) |
| 15:25:55 | chouimat | anyone here ever tried the Demolinux CD with the Zaurus SDK? |
| 15:25:59 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 15:26:03 | Speedy2 | Maybe thunk it" |
| 15:26:05 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 15:26:08 | Speedy2 | DId you check the warranty? |
| 15:28:32 | Speedy2 | Doh. Didn't realize he was here. |
| 15:29:11 | Xunil96 | so is there any good way to make qtopia desktop work on a windows 2000 box |
| 15:38:08 | numatrix | chouimat: yeah, it works. |
| 15:38:22 | numatrix | chouimat: Though it's not that recent as far as xcompile environments go. |
| 15:38:30 | numatrix | chouimat: It's pretty handy though. |
| 15:38:54 | kergoth | numatrix: what does? |
| 15:39:02 | numatrix | kergoth: the devcd. |
| 15:39:05 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:39:25 | chouimat | numatrix: ok I will use it this weekend |
| 15:41:36 | PascalS | I just downloaded the rpms for the xenv, together with the instruction on the developer-howto on ZZone I got it working rather smoothly. |
| 15:42:12 | PascalS | I haven't as yet tried any remote debugging. |
| 15:46:48 | noidd | meanders dizzily |
| 15:47:03 | noidd | you know chilli is hot enough when after eating you can hardly walk |
| 15:55:58 | noidd | points the sharp people at http://www.rasterman.com/pages/news.html ... in case they are unaware of their ROI for the Zaurus they sent to raster. |
| 15:56:53 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 16:06:53 | Dessimat0r | lo |
| 16:11:41 | Twiun | lo |
| 16:17:03 | scanline | is away: Zzz |
| 16:23:00 | BigBoss | l |
| 16:26:21 | tux_mike_ | wow. these zipzaps are interesting with no tires |
| 16:28:55 | Twiun | hehe, playing with a new toy? |
| 16:29:01 | tux_mike_ | yah |
| 16:31:05 | Twiun | got sold by the ./ furor? |
| 16:31:50 | bipolar | kergoth: ping |
| 16:31:54 | tux_mike_ | heard it first on /., then a day later by a friend who works at radio shack |
| 16:32:05 | tux_mike_ | took me this long to get the one i want :) |
| 16:32:13 | BigBoss | what is it? |
| 16:32:33 | bipolar | zipzap |
| 16:32:40 | bipolar | little remote control cars? |
| 16:33:43 | tux_mike_ | yah |
| 16:33:57 | tux_mike_ | i got the silver porsche :) |
| 16:34:27 | tux_mike_ | now i got to make little led headlights and taillights |
| 16:35:24 | kergoth | bipolar: pong |
| 16:35:44 | bipolar | kergoth: Debain is loaded :) What a mindbender.... |
| 16:35:57 | kergoth | having fun? |
| 16:36:21 | bipolar | kergoth: yes, actualy... in spite of the fact that just about EVERYTHING is diffrent... :) |
| 16:37:18 | bipolar | I'm building a 2.4.19 kernel now to upgrade from the 2.2.20 that was installed. I still have not gotten my dual head g400 to work. |
| 16:37:33 | kergoth | sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.19-[arch] |
| 16:37:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:37:55 | anggarda | bipolar, the dualhead its a breeze. |
| 16:37:57 | bipolar | kergoth: I'm building becouse I need the usbdnet driver anyway |
| 16:38:46 | kergoth | bipolar: apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.19; cd /usr/src/; tar zxvf kernel-source-2.4.19.tar.gz; cd kernel-source-2.4.19; [apply patches]; cp /boot/config-2.2.20 .config; make-kpkg --revision 2.4.19-3 --initrd --bzimage --arch-in-name kernel_image modules_image; |
| 16:38:55 | bipolar | anggarda: really? could have fooled me. :) |
| 16:38:59 | bipolar | kergoth: haha |
| 16:39:02 | kergoth | bipolar: then cd ..; sudo dpkg -i kernel-image*.deb |
| 16:39:05 | kergoth | b00m |
| 16:39:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:39:12 | kergoth | make-kpkg creates debian kernel packages |
| 16:39:15 | kergoth | from a kernel source tree |
| 16:39:19 | anggarda | bipolar, kid you not..hell its a lot easier now...lots. |
| 16:39:23 | kergoth | sudo apt-get install kernel-package; |
| 16:39:24 | bipolar | kergoth: thats what I'm using :) |
| 16:39:30 | kergoth | bipolar: good, just checking |
| 16:39:49 | bipolar | anggarda: I'm editing XF86Config by hand. is there a better way? |
| 16:40:09 | kergoth | bipolar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 16:40:24 | anggarda | bipolar, no.. |
| 16:40:27 | bipolar | anggarda: X complains that there is alreday a device at PCI:1:5:0 and won't use the 2nd screen. |
| 16:40:44 | kergoth | fun |
| 16:40:48 | anggarda | bipolar, use the.....hold on |
| 16:40:50 | bipolar | yay..... :p |
| 16:41:19 | anggarda | bipolar, download the POWERDESK. |
| 16:41:40 | bipolar | anggarda: BTW, I saved my XF86Config from RedHat and it does not work AT ALL. Even though it uses the same driver. |
| 16:41:54 | bipolar | anggarda: ok |
| 16:42:11 | bipolar | anggarda: I saw that but did not think it would help me. |
| 16:42:12 | anggarda | bipolar, and download the latest mga.o |
| 16:42:24 | chouimat | bipolar: xinerama problem? |
| 16:43:25 | bipolar | chouimat: yes |
| 16:43:32 | chouimat | bipolar: work well here |
| 16:43:38 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 16:43:42 | kergoth | curses bison and flex |
| 16:44:35 | kergoth | continues to curse bison and flex |
| 16:46:30 | tux_mike_ | what for you curse? |
| 16:46:35 | kolla | does some cursing too... |
| 16:48:41 | bipolar | anggarda: is there a Powerdesk deb that I can apt-get or do I have to build this thing from src? |
| 16:49:02 | anggarda | hee....you're on debian? |
| 16:49:24 | bipolar | anggarda: I am now |
| 16:49:36 | anggarda | bipolar, wait a tad let me check it out...been a while.. |
| 16:50:16 | anggarda | no man...no apt get.. |
| 16:50:25 | anggarda | http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/files/lnx_200.cfm |
| 16:50:38 | anggarda | there's the source though. |
| 16:50:46 | bipolar | anggarda: then I need to get gtk installed... oh well |
| 16:53:20 | bipolar | ok... how do I find out what package I need to apt-get? |
| 16:54:11 | bipolar | ok... my new kernel is done. I'll worry about Xinerama after I get this working :) |
| 16:54:18 | bipolar | bbiab |
| 16:54:26 | kergoth | hrm, whats the class for usbdnet again? |
| 16:54:36 | kergoth | its never in the howto, and i always forget it |
| 16:54:53 | kergoth | 8004 is the product id.. the class was similar.. like 8006 or something |
| 16:54:55 | kergoth | anyone? |
| 16:55:27 | Twiun | 04dd and 8004, right? |
| 16:55:31 | xtmdster | 04dd I think. |
| 16:55:47 | Twiun | xtmdster: great minds... |
| 16:56:07 | kergoth | um |
| 16:56:16 | kergoth | 04dd is the vendor id |
| 16:56:20 | kergoth | i mean the class and subclass |
| 16:56:31 | kergoth | the howto doesnt say anything about them, but you need to set one of them to get hotplug to be happy with you |
| 16:56:33 | xtmdster | I only know it because I was up real late last night trying to get usb working. |
| 16:57:16 | xtmdster | Hmm, lemme look. |
| 16:58:46 | kergoth | oh fuck it |
| 16:59:00 | kergoth | plugs his Z into his usb and checks lsusb |
| 16:59:19 | hardwire | puts his z to his chest and swears allegence |
| 16:59:42 | hardwire | then continues to swear a bit more |
| 17:00:01 | tux_mike_ | i would think the geek xXx wouldn't swear allegence to anything |
| 17:00:19 | hardwire | I swear allegence to my.. uh.. |
| 17:00:22 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:00:29 | hardwire | well |
| 17:00:33 | hardwire | this monitor is pretty cool |
| 17:01:03 | hardwire | I broke into the uber secure firewall we just bought |
| 17:01:13 | hardwire | didn't even need a password |
| 17:01:16 | tux_mike_ | lol |
| 17:01:30 | hardwire | ust plugged into the serial port and played with lilo |
| 17:01:48 | hardwire | the best hacker |
| 17:01:50 | hardwire | is a good con man |
| 17:03:35 | ljp_work | heh |
| 17:04:08 | prpplague | hardwire: ya i test some of our customers, i can call and pretend i'm "with the computer company" and have them give me all kinds of info |
| 17:05:31 | hardwire | prpplague last time I did that.. heh.. this is goddamn funny |
| 17:05:38 | hardwire | was back before linux ever took me over |
| 17:05:44 | hardwire | wrote a c program for dos |
| 17:05:55 | hardwire | that basically looks pertty and asks for a username and password |
| 17:06:08 | hardwire | walked into a company I used to work for |
| 17:06:12 | hardwire | everbody knew I was fired |
| 17:06:20 | ljp_work | security app for dos ;) |
| 17:06:30 | hardwire | but I had over 20 passwords and people in one section lined up just to give me the passwords |
| 17:06:34 | hardwire | it aws idiotic |
| 17:06:41 | hardwire | surprised I kept a straight face thru it all |
| 17:06:48 | hardwire | then I walked down |
| 17:06:51 | hardwire | stole a guys laptop |
| 17:06:57 | hardwire | got the RAS usernames and passwords |
| 17:07:09 | hardwire | then printed a big " :) " on all the printers.. from my house |
| 17:07:39 | hardwire | turned in my report to the guy there that hired me to do it |
| 17:07:40 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 17:07:42 | hardwire | and got payed |
| 17:07:42 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:08:19 | hardwire | prpplague: surprisingly.. I walked up to a NOC yesterday |
| 17:08:23 | hardwire | buzzed in |
| 17:08:26 | hardwire | nobody knows me there |
| 17:08:30 | hardwire | and got access to everything |
| 17:08:39 | hardwire | I must have pretty eyes or something |
| 17:09:05 | kergoth | hardwire: people assume if you look like you know what you're doing and belong there, that you do. |
| 17:09:10 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:09:15 | hardwire | I like checking ID's |
| 17:09:16 | kergoth | tis true |
| 17:09:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:09:24 | kergoth | walk into a store |
| 17:09:25 | kergoth | grab something |
| 17:09:26 | hardwire | and then calling a few people |
| 17:09:29 | kergoth | and walk out like you just bought it |
| 17:09:31 | kergoth | no one will sto you |
| 17:09:39 | hardwire | just to let people know I need a lot of beer that they have to buy.. before I trust them |
| 17:09:46 | kergoth | each cashier will assume you were checked out by one of the others |
| 17:09:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:10:02 | hardwire | heh! |
| 17:10:06 | hardwire | walk into the grocery store |
| 17:10:11 | hardwire | snag a plastic bag |
| 17:10:14 | hardwire | go shopping |
| 17:10:15 | hardwire | walk out |
| 17:10:22 | xtmdster | Its the video cameras that will get you. |
| 17:10:23 | kergoth | people are stupid. |
| 17:10:27 | kergoth | xtmdster: exactly |
| 17:10:30 | kergoth | cause people make assumptions |
| 17:11:29 | xtmdster | Did you find that class and subclass? |
| 17:11:40 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:11:46 | kergoth | cause my Z doesnt have usb connectivity atm |
| 17:12:08 | xtmdster | I was looking in usbdnet.c, would it be in there? |
| 17:13:08 | kergoth | bingo |
| 17:13:11 | kergoth | class is '2' |
| 17:13:13 | kergoth | Communications class |
| 17:18:18 | kergoth | yawns |
| 17:18:37 | chouimat | kergoth: add some blood in your caffeinestream |
| 17:18:45 | Zxcvb | is gameboyz supposed to be slow with dragon warrior 1 and 2 (gbc)? |
| 17:18:51 | prpplague | slaps kergoth "wake up slave and get back to work!" |
| 17:19:08 | kergoth | nooo i already have too much blood in my caffeinestream |
| 17:19:13 | chouimat | prpplague: did you listen to Spiral Architect? |
| 17:19:19 | kergoth | prpplague: hey, i'm used to that working here |
| 17:19:36 | prpplague | chouimat: naw, i hit the hay right after i logged off |
| 17:19:43 | prpplague | chouimat: will tonight though |
| 17:19:58 | prpplague | chouimat: i think i might go get a new lcd panel this evening |
| 17:20:52 | chouimat | prpplague: I need a second 19" monitor here (xinerama with a 19 and a 14 sucks) |
| 17:20:55 | ljp_work | I think I'll just keep my craggy old lead infested CRT |
| 17:21:16 | ljp_work | it works right after I hit it ;) |
| 17:22:24 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 17:24:49 | xtmdster | Geez. I'm in the wrong business. The landscape company just came and did the lawn in 11 minutes for 48 dollars. |
| 17:25:49 | xtmdster | I calculate each guy is earning $87.28 per hour. |
| 17:26:59 | xtmdster | Of course you have to adjust that down for travel time, fuel costs, ect... |
| 17:27:32 | Lone | I still think hookers get better rates. |
| 17:27:39 | kergoth | not to mention they may not have jobs continuously |
| 17:27:40 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a_system/X-Top_Design_a_system-Configurations.html |
| 17:28:00 | xtmdster | Its more dangerous work, though. |
| 17:28:16 | kergoth | chouimat: holy crap, that voice .. |
| 17:28:31 | kergoth | chouimat: i agree with prpplague, i think she would hurt me |
| 17:28:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:28:37 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:29:01 | Lone | True. But as long as you're working for a "high-class callgirl place," risk is lessened. |
| 17:29:02 | kergoth | good music though, has a good beat to it. |
| 17:29:49 | kergoth | pretty good guitarist as well |
| 17:30:50 | chouimat | prpplague: I want the 5 over 5 :) |
| 17:32:05 | prpplague | chouimat: i'd settle for the x3 |
| 17:32:19 | chouimat | prpplague: the one at 140 000$ :) |
| 17:32:44 | prpplague | chouimat: lol, no the one at $2995 |
| 17:32:58 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:33:03 | kergoth | i'd settle for 1x1 |
| 17:33:04 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:33:07 | chouimat | prpplague: 10 screens at 3840x2400 |:) |
| 17:33:24 | kergoth | still have a big ass 19" sony CRT.. though its one of the flat screen trinitron tubes |
| 17:35:18 | chouimat | kergoth: I have TTX 8995 and an a cheapos 14" on my main box. there other monitors are 14" |
| 17:35:46 | DaJoker | I have a 21" integraph that I liberated from a CAD office my uncle works for |
| 17:35:52 | chouimat | kergoth: did you listen to Spiral Architect? |
| 17:36:06 | kergoth | chouimat: yes, pretty good, but i like the beat of the arch enemy song better :) |
| 17:36:29 | chouimat | kergoth: imagine the Spiral Architect album is all like this :) |
| 17:38:27 | benmeyer | Bla, the z doesn't have awk |
| 17:38:51 | kergoth | benmeyer: busybox in cvs has awk now btw :) |
| 17:44:34 | bipolar | ok... now running 2.4.19 :) |
| 17:48:34 | anggarda | bipolar, xinerama? |
| 17:49:15 | bipolar | anggarda: still not working |
| 17:49:51 | bipolar | anggarda: I need to compile PowerDesk yet |
| 17:49:51 | anggarda | bipolar, powerdesk of no help? |
| 17:50:22 | bipolar | anggarda: It's looking for gtk, but I don't know what debain package has what it's looking for. |
| 17:51:03 | bipolar | gtk-config, specificly |
| 17:51:08 | anggarda | hmm...too much hassle, edit XFree86 manually then. |
| 17:51:22 | anggarda | gtk config..comes with gtk dev. |
| 17:52:46 | bipolar | anggarda: right... but what package is that.. :) |
| 17:52:56 | kergoth | Anyone feeling daring? |
| 17:53:10 | kergoth | Theres a OZ 2.9.7 prerelease up for testing to iron out the final bugs prior to the 2.9.7 release. |
| 17:53:12 | noidd | kergoth: yes! |
| 17:53:20 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 57 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: bb: that could be it... where can i d/l that? [Fri Oct 11 08:55:37 2002] |
| 17:53:20 | benmeyer | ibot seen sniper |
| 17:53:40 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 17:53:40 | kergoth | ibot oz release is 2.9.5.5, 2.9.7 coming soon |
| 17:53:44 | anggarda | bipolar, GTK+-develop |
| 17:53:48 | DaJoker | bipolar: apt-cache search libgtk-dev |
| 17:53:58 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 17:53:58 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021011_1237/ |
| 17:56:01 | bipolar | DaJoker: thanks. I think I found it. libgtk1.2-dev |
| 17:56:44 | kergoth | bipolar: you know what i *love* about debian.. is starting from a base system and only adding what you need, instead of starting with shitloads of stuff you'll never use. |
| 17:57:10 | bipolar | kergoth: yes. I like that very much |
| 17:57:41 | anggarda | paqan? |
| 17:58:50 | tux_mike_ | my problem with debian is it's on the trailing edge |
| 18:00:59 | kergoth | tux_mike_: unstable isnt bad, and as long as you're willing to add a few extra apt sources, you're good to go. |
| 18:01:16 | tux_mike_ | bah |
| 18:01:20 | tux_mike_ | anywah |
| 18:01:33 | tux_mike_ | gaaah! |
| 18:01:42 | tux_mike_ | i hate most default linux prompts |
| 18:01:51 | kergoth | hugs his profile and bashrc |
| 18:01:53 | tux_mike_ | i can't live without $? in it anymore :) |
| 18:01:57 | bipolar | mgapdesdk is broken |
| 18:02:01 | bipolar | POS |
| 18:02:38 | bipolar | anyway..... |
| 18:03:31 | noidd | damnit |
| 18:03:43 | noidd | I have a zaurus problem that I know none of you can solve |
| 18:03:45 | noidd | :-( |
| 18:03:52 | kergoth | noidd: well ask |
| 18:03:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:04:02 | noidd | I cant find my CF card to flash your pre-release |
| 18:04:09 | noidd | question is: where is it? |
| 18:04:12 | noidd | :-) |
| 18:04:25 | tux_mike_ | ,lol |
| 18:04:29 | kergoth | noidd: on your desk! |
| 18:04:50 | noidd | actually - thats possible... it is a huge desk covered in crap |
| 18:04:53 | numatrix | noidd: Magic 8 ball says: "CHECK YOUR ZAURUS". Equivalent to leaving your glasses on your head. ;-) |
| 18:05:01 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:05:04 | noidd | hehe |
| 18:05:10 | kergoth | i remember doing that |
| 18:05:15 | noidd | nope, 802.11b card in zaurus |
| 18:05:16 | kergoth | running around looking for my glasses |
| 18:05:22 | kergoth | and i was wearing them at the time |
| 18:05:35 | noidd | but... I bet its in the digicam |
| 18:05:37 | noidd | ah ha! |
| 18:05:41 | numatrix | I do it with my keys, wallet and cellphone all the time when they're in a different pocket than normal. |
| 18:06:00 | numatrix | noidd: See, we did help. ;-) |
| 18:06:05 | xtmdster | Its in the last place you left it. |
| 18:06:19 | noidd | just came back from that perl conference, did my X application tutorial (not zaurus) :-( |
| 18:06:24 | xtmdster | Or, the last place you look for it. |
| 18:06:38 | noidd | hehe, did you hear about my rant at the perl conference? |
| 18:07:15 | noidd | kergoth: you remember I was trying to get QT.pm to compile so I could do a tutorial on writing graphical apps on handhead devices (Qt.pm on Zaurus) |
| 18:07:25 | kergoth | noidd: yes, i remember that |
| 18:07:29 | kergoth | noidd: whats up with it |
| 18:07:33 | noidd | and I got really pissy cos Qt.pm hadn't been touhced in 2 years and didn't work |
| 18:07:37 | noidd | well... |
| 18:07:53 | noidd | They released a complete re-write of it *on the last day of the conference* |
| 18:07:57 | kergoth | aha |
| 18:08:01 | kergoth | murphy's law |
| 18:08:13 | noidd | I ranted - loudly |
| 18:08:30 | noidd | along the lines of "next time put something in the README on cpan" |
| 18:08:57 | noidd | it woudnt work anyways I dont think as its specific to the new version of Qt which I believe qtopia doesnt support |
| 18:09:03 | noidd | or did I hallucinate that? |
| 18:09:11 | kergoth | doesnt know |
| 18:09:35 | noidd | anyways - i'll flash that once I find my cf |
| 18:10:03 | kergoth | I'm in cleanup mode in the sf bug tracker atm |
| 18:12:11 | bipolar | tux_mike_: I dont know.... I have 2.4.19 and kde 3.0.3 on mine. Seems pretty nice. |
| 18:12:27 | bipolar | wow... now theres some lag for you |
| 18:12:28 | bipolar | heheh |
| 18:12:28 | kergoth | bipolar: there is a apt source for kde 3.1 b1, and i think b2 shortly. fyi :) |
| 18:12:41 | bipolar | kergoth: I saw it. I want it :) |
| 18:12:51 | kergoth | bipolar: search google. 'kde 3.1 debian' |
| 18:12:53 | bipolar | kergoth: but first I MUST get Xinerama working |
| 18:12:56 | kergoth | bipahh |
| 18:12:59 | kergoth | er |
| 18:13:00 | kergoth | ahh |
| 18:13:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:13:08 | noidd | I met Spencers best mate yesterday tho |
| 18:13:29 | noidd | at linux expo |
| 18:13:35 | noidd | nice guy, with no budget |
| 18:13:39 | bipolar | kergoth: what do you thing the best place to get help with this Xinerama thing is? |
| 18:14:12 | kergoth | bipolar: no idea.. never messed wtih it myself |
| 18:14:15 | noidd | bipolar: hmmm, xinrama |
| 18:14:21 | paramita | bipolar, whats up? |
| 18:14:40 | paramita | sorry, I can't seem to get my nick back. |
| 18:15:43 | Twiun | paramita: /msg nickserv ghost <old_nick> password |
| 18:16:01 | bipolar | paramita: It won't seem to let me use the same BusID for both Device sections in my XF86Config-4 file for my Matrox G450 |
| 18:16:19 | paramita | Twiun, err...what password |
| 18:16:35 | bipolar | paramita: did you register your nick? |
| 18:16:54 | paramita | bipolar, of course not. |
| 18:17:08 | kergoth | paramita: theres your problem then |
| 18:17:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:17:26 | bipolar | paramita: then you are screwed if someone else did :) |
| 18:17:59 | paramita | any ops here who can kick me(anggarda) out so I could become me(anggarda) again? |
| 18:18:35 | numatrix | paramita: you haven't registered your nick? |
| 18:18:39 | bipolar | paramita: ohh.. i see |
| 18:18:42 | paqan | kicking won't solve it, just wait for your old client to timeout |
| 18:18:44 | numatrix | sorry, I can't read. |
| 18:18:47 | paramita | bipolar, sent me your xfree86-4 file. |
| 18:19:24 | noidd | bipolar: shouldn't the two cards have differnt bus ids/ |
| 18:19:25 | noidd | ? |
| 18:19:52 | kergoth | noidd: not if he has a dual head card.. |
| 18:20:21 | noidd | if he has a duel head card, then he doesn't need to specify bus ids I thought? |
| 18:20:28 | noidd | but I could be wrong |
| 18:20:45 | Twiun | paramita: there you go, now change nicks ;-) |
| 18:20:46 | kergoth | has no idea |
| 18:20:57 | Twiun | paramita: and register it - it'll save you grief in the long run |
| 18:20:58 | kergoth | paramita: and register it if you can |
| 18:21:00 | noidd | lemme check mine |
| 18:21:01 | kergoth | benmeyer: hey ben |
| 18:21:05 | Twiun | hey ben |
| 18:21:14 | anselor|home | they lost my zaurus. |
| 18:21:32 | noidd | anselor|home: who did? |
| 18:21:40 | anggarda | xchat like takes forever to realise that its offline...its the last of all the aps to realise that its offline..wonder why. |
| 18:21:43 | anselor|home | sharp |
| 18:22:08 | noidd | oh, the nice man at sharp is sending me a free accessories pack |
| 18:22:09 | anselor|home | well, they have no record of recieving it even though it was delivered by ups on the 9th at 9am |
| 18:22:26 | noidd | if the true be known, it was probably to get rid of me |
| 18:22:27 | noidd | :-) |
| 18:22:36 | anselor|home | heh, maybe you should call for me. |
| 18:22:55 | noidd | this was in person |
| 18:23:01 | anselor|home | ahh |
| 18:23:16 | noidd | at the linux expo square foot that sharp had borrowed from a local user group |
| 18:23:24 | noidd | local linux user group even |
| 18:23:34 | kergoth | IF you should die, die in winter.. die in winter! |
| 18:23:42 | bipolar | noidd: it won't work without a busid |
| 18:23:44 | bipolar | noidd: and it is a dual head card. and it worked in redhat 7.3 :\ |
| 18:24:08 | noidd | lemme look at mine |
| 18:24:47 | noidd | bipolar: yeah - you're right |
| 18:24:55 | noidd | I specify the bus id twice |
| 18:25:11 | bipolar | noidd: you have a G4x0? |
| 18:25:25 | noidd | no, I have an nvidia gforce2go |
| 18:26:50 | bipolar | noidd: oh.... |
| 18:27:07 | noidd | vnidia has this strange option called Twinview |
| 18:27:19 | noidd | and you use that instead i think |
| 18:27:28 | noidd | I really dont know enough about it |
| 18:27:55 | noidd | the only reaon I commented was that I was looking at the Xinrama faqs.. as I was considering building another desktop maachine |
| 18:28:22 | noidd | and doing a hardware inventory of the house to see if i had the bits to support it |
| 18:31:54 | ciaolinux | did anyone try qpdf? strange things happen in my screen when i try to visualize a pdf file |
| 18:32:57 | ciaolinux | or is there a better pdf viewer? |
| 18:33:35 | chouimat | ciaolinux: yes acrobat on the desktop :) |
| 18:33:52 | ciaolinux | chouimat: thanks... i didn't think about it! |
| 18:37:53 | ciaolinux | actually it looks like opera works much better! didn't know it could read pdf |
| 18:38:30 | kybu | has anybody occurs segfault with qtopia sdk when using QDir class on desktop? |
| 18:38:46 | kergoth | kybu: the sdk sucks. build from source, if you can. |
| 18:39:03 | Nighthawk98TJ | I just wanted to make sure of this: all software has to be installed to the built-in ram, right? Only data files can be put on external cards and linked to? |
| 18:39:57 | kybu | kergoth huh, so i have to recompile everythink? |
| 18:40:38 | kergoth | kybu: 'everything'? its like two things. qt/e and qtopia/opie |
| 18:40:45 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: no, you can install things in different places, but sometimes the installer itself won't work real well if you try. |
| 18:40:50 | kergoth | kybu: you dont *have* to, i'm saying the sdk has known issues |
| 18:41:37 | kybu | kergoth ook, a have no choice |
| 18:41:38 | kybu | thanx |
| 18:41:56 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: ok... i was thinking I could put my apps on a big SD card and then would it be possible to let the Z use more of the physical ram as actual ram and not storage space? ive been getting low memory warnings sometimes... |
| 18:42:18 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: low memory warning is a result of you running out of heap space. |
| 18:42:19 | kergoth | Nighthawk98TJ: thats fine |
| 18:42:26 | kergoth | Nighthawk98TJ: what rom? |
| 18:42:31 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: ok.. |
| 18:42:31 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: you'll want to run another rom besides the sharp rom if you want more heap. |
| 18:42:34 | Nighthawk98TJ | kergoth: stock |
| 18:42:42 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: but yes, you can certainly run things from sd just fine. I do all the time. |
| 18:42:50 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: ok, cool |
| 18:43:48 | Nighthawk98TJ | kergoth: it's 2.37 |
| 18:43:59 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: if you upgrade to an openzaurus rom you can have more heap space. |
| 18:44:20 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: but dont you lose stuff like the ecel and word apps? |
| 18:44:33 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: you don't have to. |
| 18:44:43 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: the only thing that hasn't been brought over to OZ that I know if is opera. |
| 18:44:50 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: And you can use konqueror instead if you don't mind. |
| 18:45:02 | | Hancom_Creator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=279 |
| 18:45:03 | | Hancom_Mobile_Office >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=127 |
| 18:45:04 | | Hancom_Mobile_Paint 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=324 |
| 18:45:05 | | 3 of 5 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=hancom |
| 18:45:05 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for hancom |
| 18:45:05 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: ahh, ok, didnt know that |
| 18:45:06 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: check out these links that ibot is showing |
| 18:45:10 | Nighthawk98TJ | k |
| 18:45:14 | numatrix | The first one specifically. |
| 18:45:23 | numatrix | Look for hancom creator, jeode creator, stuff like that. |
| 18:45:29 | Nighthawk98TJ | looking |
| 18:45:32 | numatrix | Like I said, don't use the oper_creator one, it won't work, but the rest of them should. |
| 18:45:51 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: Also, you might actually want to upgrade to the most recent sharp rom before you use those creator files. They don't work very well with 2.37. |
| 18:46:29 | Nighthawk98TJ | ok, but i went back to 2.37 from the latest because i like to use the wireless sync |
| 18:46:51 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: Ahh; well, you'll have to flash anyway if you want to go to OZ. |
| 18:46:56 | numatrix | kergoth: does OZ support wireless sync? |
| 18:47:00 | kergoth | numatrix: yep, works fine |
| 18:47:09 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: there you go, so your best plan of action would be: |
| 18:47:14 | Nighthawk98TJ | but dont you need a CF card to flash to OZ? |
| 18:47:15 | paqan | numa - i've been getting ipkg errors trying to install packages made by hancom creator (made from sharp's 2.38 and 2.38 roms) ... something about get_pkg_source or whatever... any ideas\tips on oz's ipkg? |
| 18:47:28 | kergoth | paqan: you on the latest ipkg? |
| 18:47:59 | numatrix | 1) Backup your data 2) Flash to 2.38 3) Backup hancom apps and jeode 4) Flash to OZ 5) Restore data and hancom and jeode. |
| 18:48:13 | paqan | kergoth - no, i tried downloading 2.9.5.5 and could never finish ipkg upgrade for various reasons... dropped to buysbox login prompt, getting some VT_ errors, etc.. |
| 18:48:26 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: ok, gotcha |
| 18:48:45 | kergoth | paqan: you can just upgrade ipkg, not everything |
| 18:48:49 | kergoth | paqan: 'ipkg upgrade ipkg' |
| 18:49:08 | paqan | kergoth - i did ipkg install ipkg before anything else... |
| 18:49:35 | kergoth | paqan: ? you didnt understand my question |
| 18:49:42 | kergoth | paqan: i asked if you upgraded ipkg, not if you upgraded everything |
| 18:49:44 | kergoth | paqan: :) |
| 18:49:47 | kergoth | paqan: so the answer is 'yes' |
| 18:49:48 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: dont you need a CF card to flash to OZ? |
| 18:49:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:49:53 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: yes |
| 18:49:56 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: do you not have one? |
| 18:50:01 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: nope |
| 18:50:06 | DaJoker | go get one |
| 18:50:07 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: Bummer, not much to do then. |
| 18:50:08 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 18:50:12 | paqan | is |
| 18:50:13 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: ya :) |
| 18:50:22 | paqan | is 'ipkg install ipkg' the same as 'ipkg upgrade ipkg'? |
| 18:50:30 | kergoth | Nighthawk98TJ: get a low capacity 16/32/64 cf card just for flashing :) |
| 18:50:34 | numatrix | paqan: Nope, one installs, one upgrades. ;-) |
| 18:50:45 | kergoth | paqan: if you already have it installed, they're functionally the same |
| 18:50:46 | Nighthawk98TJ | kergoth: ya, good idea... |
| 18:50:47 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: I bought a 64mb CF card just for this purpose. Cost only $25. |
| 18:50:52 | kergoth | paqan: if its not installed, of course the beahvior is different |
| 18:50:53 | paqan | numatrix - assuming the package you refer to is already installed... |
| 18:50:55 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: really? where? |
| 18:50:56 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:51:10 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: i could use it backups too |
| 18:51:11 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: guy at work saw it at bestbuy for 50 for a two pack and offered to split. |
| 18:51:18 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: I've seen them online for about that much. |
| 18:51:18 | Nighthawk98TJ | oh, cool |
| 18:51:23 | Nighthawk98TJ | looking |
| 18:52:03 | Nighthawk98TJ | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10332376&loc=101 |
| 18:52:12 | paqan | kergoth - ok cool.. also.. how's ipkg compatibility of oz? do most of the ipkgs out there (say on killefiz.de) install fine on oz? |
| 18:52:35 | noidd | kergoth: Found it! |
| 18:52:48 | numatrix | paqan: Yup; though not necessarily vice-versa. Newer ipks won't install on the sharp rom because they're using the new ipk format. |
| 18:53:09 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: will this work? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1386374803 |
| 18:53:09 | numatrix | Anybody tried the Dr.Z video player? |
| 18:53:13 | kergoth | paqan: yep, it'll all install fine. in fact, the new format ipks familiar uses will work with OZ, but NOT with sharp |
| 18:53:16 | kergoth | noidd: nice |
| 18:53:21 | kergoth | numatrix: hehe, echo |
| 18:53:22 | numatrix | kergoth: ;-) |
| 18:53:24 | paqan | kergoth - woot! |
| 18:53:31 | noidd | numatrix: yeah - i installed the demo today but it wont play any of my movies :-( |
| 18:53:43 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: Yup, that'll work fine, but you can get it new online for probably not much more. |
| 18:54:01 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: that one is new... it's about 26 online retail |
| 18:54:19 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: Umm, I just found one for $19 online new. |
| 18:54:26 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: really? |
| 18:54:27 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: didn't take much searching. |
| 18:54:33 | Nighthawk98TJ | ill check pricewatch |
| 18:54:33 | numatrix | yeah, it's samsung, but that doesn't really matter. |
| 18:54:41 | kergoth | hugs pricewatch |
| 18:54:47 | Nighthawk98TJ | :) |
| 18:55:02 | numatrix | Hmm, best price pricewatch has is $20. Pricewatch is good, but not that good. I can beat it by $1! ;-) |
| 18:55:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:55:14 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: what about shipping/tax? :) |
| 18:55:21 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?submit=list&catalog=68&DEPA=1&order=price&sort=asc |
| 18:55:35 | Nighthawk98TJ | loves newegg |
| 18:55:35 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: That's one of my favorite places to buy flash memory. great prices. Shipping is free for that particular card. |
| 18:55:46 | Nighthawk98TJ | out of stock :) |
| 18:55:56 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: then get the 26$ 64mb card! |
| 18:56:01 | Nighthawk98TJ | ooh |
| 18:56:08 | Nighthawk98TJ | nice! |
| 18:56:11 | numatrix | :-) Also with free shipping. See, cheap. |
| 18:56:16 | Nighthawk98TJ | yep ;) |
| 18:56:42 | Nighthawk98TJ | thanks man :) |
| 18:57:12 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: no problem |
| 18:57:19 | Nighthawk98TJ | looks to see if they carry the lexar multi-card reader |
| 18:58:11 | Nighthawk98TJ | mmmm, no |
| 18:58:33 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: no, but they have a CHP 6:1 reader. |
| 18:58:35 | numatrix | $33. |
| 18:58:41 | Nighthawk98TJ | hmm |
| 18:58:44 | | wish i knew, noidd |
| 18:58:44 | noidd | ibot, prerelease openzaurus? |
| 18:58:54 | | i don't know, noidd |
| 18:58:54 | noidd | ibot, prerelease oz? |
| 18:58:54 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: or a 7 in 1 for the same price. |
| 18:58:59 | Nighthawk98TJ | numatrix: got a link? |
| 18:59:01 | noidd | grumps |
| 18:59:08 | numatrix | http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?submit=list&catalog=69&DEPA=1&order=price&sort=asc |
| 18:59:14 | Nighthawk98TJ | thanks |
| 18:59:14 | numatrix | Scroll down to the $33 region. |
| 18:59:18 | Nighthawk98TJ | i wonder if it works in linux.... |
| 18:59:19 | numatrix | Don't mention it. |
| 18:59:27 | kergoth | noidd: reverse order |
| 18:59:28 | numatrix | Nighthawk98TJ: most of those devices do; they're just usb storage devices. |
| 18:59:30 | | i think oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021011_1237/ |
| 18:59:30 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 18:59:35 | DaJoker | can get pny multislot reader for 24 at best buy |
| 18:59:39 | | OK, numatrix. |
| 18:59:39 | numatrix | ibot: prerelease oz is see oz prerelease |
| 18:59:40 | | noidd: i haven't a clue |
| 18:59:40 | noidd | ibot, openzaurus prerelease? |
| 18:59:47 | numatrix | That's a tongue twister. |
| 18:59:48 | Nighthawk98TJ | DaJoker: really? hmm |
| 18:59:50 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021011_1237/ |
| 18:59:50 | noidd | ibot, oz prerelease? |
| 18:59:59 | DaJoker | Nighthawk98TJ: yep.. just got one tues |
| 19:00:04 | Dessimat0r | you can buy a 32mb CF card for that price |
| 19:00:09 | Nighthawk98TJ | DaJoker: what's it accept? |
| 19:00:19 | Dessimat0r | thats why no manufacture makes them anymore - they were making no profit |
| 19:00:24 | DaJoker | SD/MMC/CF/SmartMedia |
| 19:00:32 | Nighthawk98TJ | that's what i need... |
| 19:00:36 | Nighthawk98TJ | lookig on their site now |
| 19:00:37 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:00:47 | Dessimat0r | buy a new CF 64mb card |
| 19:01:21 | Dessimat0r | hmm, the conversation was up the top a bit |
| 19:01:24 | Dessimat0r | ah well ;) |
| 19:01:27 | Nighthawk98TJ | DaJoker: it work in linux? |
| 19:01:49 | DaJoker | Nighthawk98TJ: CF part does.. haven't tried the others |
| 19:01:55 | Nighthawk98TJ | DaJoker: cool |
| 19:02:07 | DaJoker | really slick little thing.. |
| 19:02:10 | DaJoker | looks like a credit card |
| 19:02:12 | DaJoker | hehe.. |
| 19:02:16 | Nighthawk98TJ | DaJoker: i dont see it on their site, hmm, they have a SM and a CF one, but not a multi one |
| 19:02:34 | ciaolinux | is there a good gpl image viewer that allows me to zoom and mostly doesn't crash on pics >100kb like the default one? |
| 19:02:43 | numatrix | ciaolinux: For the zaurus? mooview |
| 19:02:45 | noidd | poor bipolar |
| 19:02:50 | DaJoker | Nighthawk98TJ: yeah, I didn't see it on the site either.. but was in stock in my local store.. common item evidently, cuz our local best buy sucks ;) |
| 19:02:58 | ciaolinux | numatrix: mooview allows to zoom? |
| 19:03:04 | Nighthawk98TJ | DaJoker: hehe, k :) |
| 19:03:12 | Nighthawk98TJ | DaJoker: thanks for the heads up! |
| 19:03:13 | | openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net. Also ask me about oz3 feed, oz faq, and oz bk. or /join #openzaurus |
| 19:03:13 | kergoth | ibot openzaurus |
| 19:03:22 | numatrix | ciaolinux: I thought it did, not sure though. |
| 19:03:24 | DaJoker | Nighthawk98TJ: no problem.. |
| 19:03:47 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 19:03:47 | kergoth | ibot openzaurus is also ask ibot about oz release and oz prerelease |
| 19:03:51 | | it has been said that openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net. Also ask me about oz3 feed, oz faq, and oz bk. or /join #openzaurus or ask ibot about oz release and oz prerelease |
| 19:03:51 | kergoth | ibot openzaurus |
| 19:03:55 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:03:57 | | kergoth: I forgot openzaurus |
| 19:03:57 | kergoth | ibot forget openzaurus |
| 19:04:03 | ciaolinux | numatrix: let me try |
| 19:04:10 | noidd | hehe |
| 19:04:17 | | zaurus is probably at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 19:04:17 | noidd | ibot, zaurus? |
| 19:04:43 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 19:04:43 | kergoth | ibot openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[dg] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. Also ask \me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 19:04:47 | kergoth | there we go |
| 19:04:52 | | it has been said that openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[dg] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 19:04:52 | kergoth | ibot openzaurus |
| 19:05:05 | Nighthawk98TJ | DaJoker: they have this on their site, but that's all: http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=488&cat=511&scat=513&e=11095220 |
| 19:05:48 | DaJoker | Nighthawk98TJ: yeah.. like I said.. didn't see it on the site, but was in stock at the local store.. PNY multislot is what it's called.. and it's small |
| 19:06:07 | Nighthawk98TJ | DaJoker: cool, ill take a look then |
| 19:06:23 | ciaolinux | numatrix: no, i don't think that it can zoom ... otherwise does anyone know how? |
| 19:08:20 | numatrix | ciaolinux: does the opie image viewer? |
| 19:08:45 | ciaolinux | numatrix: i don't know... didn't try it |
| 19:08:47 | numatrix | ciaolinux: Here you go, zImage will http://home.t-online.de/home/CarstenSchneider/zimage/index.html |
| 19:08:59 | ciaolinux | numatrix: i have tried zImage... |
| 19:10:04 | ciaolinux | numatrix: it is nice... but crashes very easily |
| 19:10:40 | numatrix | ciaolinux: Really? Bummer; that's about the best, it looked like. |
| 19:11:06 | ciaolinux | numatrix: i have an sl5000d... and it crashes whenever the pic is more than 100kb |
| 19:11:29 | ciaolinux | numatrix: i don't know if it would work better on oz though |
| 19:11:42 | numatrix | ciaolinux: If you had more heap available, probably. |
| 19:12:11 | | ciaolinux: excuse me? |
| 19:12:11 | ciaolinux | ibot: heap |
| 19:12:27 | ciaolinux | numatrix: excuse me? ;-) |
| 19:13:03 | numatrix | ciaolinux: 'ram' |
| 19:13:33 | ciaolinux | numatrix: well how to get more heap? |
| 19:13:51 | numatrix | ciaolinux: In openzaurus, you can choose different layouts besides the standard 20-12 that sharp has. |
| 19:14:00 | numatrix | ciaolinux: read the openzaurus faq for more info. |
| 19:14:24 | ciaolinux | numatrix: yes i will ... i am just waiting the next official release ... |
| 19:15:20 | treke|wherever | why wait |
| 19:15:35 | ciaolinux | treke|wherever: do i need to compile? |
| 19:16:12 | kergoth | ciaolinux: ask ibot abotu oz prerelease |
| 19:16:26 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021011_1237/ |
| 19:16:26 | ciaolinux | ibot oz prerelease |
| 19:16:56 | ciaolinux | kergoth: 16-16 is the one with more ram? |
| 19:17:09 | kergoth | ciaolinux: what are you using now? |
| 19:17:14 | kergoth | ciaolinux: chances are its 20-12 |
| 19:17:21 | kergoth | ciaolinux: 16-16 would have *less* ram, the first # is RAM |
| 19:17:26 | kergoth | ciaolinux: just read the FAQ, will you |
| 19:17:28 | ciaolinux | kergoth: 1.39 |
| 19:17:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:17:38 | ciaolinux | kergoth: ok i will! :-) |
| 19:17:47 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:18:00 | ciaolinux | kergoth |
| 19:18:19 | ciaolinux | : sorry for the stupid question but what is 32-0... only ram? |
| 19:18:28 | kergoth | ciaolinux: yes, no ramdisk |
| 19:18:33 | | it has been said that oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ or http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 19:18:33 | ciaolinux | ibot oz faq |
| 19:18:48 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 4 hours, 23 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: bb: that could be it... where can i d/l that? [Fri Oct 11 08:55:37 2002] |
| 19:18:48 | benmeyer | ibot seen sniper |
| 19:21:55 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i have a spacious cf card, would you advice a 32-0? |
| 19:22:24 | kergoth | ciaolinux: sure, then you can install apps to cf, should work fine |
| 19:22:27 | kergoth | ciaolinux: what FS is your cf? |
| 19:22:45 | ciaolinux | kergoth: at the moment vfat (better fat16) |
| 19:22:46 | noidd | wouldn't power on after first flash... trying again |
| 19:23:09 | ciaolinux | kergoth: but i can move to ext2 if it makes it faster |
| 19:23:26 | kergoth | ciaolinux: not faster, but certain apps like libs wont install to a vfat filesystem |
| 19:23:35 | kergoth | ciaolinux: but, if you have room in flash, you can install those particular apps in flash instead of cf |
| 19:23:42 | kergoth | ciaolinux: so you might not need to |
| 19:23:58 | kergoth | noidd: mine did that at first too.. then i left it alone a bit, tried again, and it came up. was weird. |
| 19:24:02 | xtmdster | In the usb howto, what exactly does "rebuild the kernel and reboot." mean? |
| 19:24:13 | bx|away | hi |
| 19:24:35 | kergoth | numatrix, chouimat: does /etc/mtab exist? |
| 19:24:48 | noidd | xtmdster: recompile your kernel, install it, make an additional boot option (so you can back out if it doesnt work), then re-boot it to test it |
| 19:24:52 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah |
| 19:25:05 | numatrix | in the prerelease, I assime you mean? |
| 19:25:08 | kergoth | numatrix: symlink to /proc/mtab right |
| 19:25:10 | kergoth | numatrix: ? |
| 19:25:12 | kergoth | numatrix: yeah |
| 19:25:13 | noidd | xtmdster: Its something you need to read a FAQ about - its a littlecomplex to walk you through over irc |
| 19:25:18 | kergoth | numatrix: er /proc/mounts i mean |
| 19:25:25 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah |
| 19:25:39 | ciaolinux | kergoth: how to install in flash? |
| 19:25:43 | kergoth | numatrix: cat /proc/mounts|grep ^/dev/mmcd return your sd card when inserted? |
| 19:25:45 | kergoth | ciaolinux: rtfm. |
| 19:25:51 | kergoth | ciaolinux: the FAQ covers how to select where to instal lthings |
| 19:25:53 | kergoth | ciaolinux: :) |
| 19:25:55 | xtmdster | Thanks, noidd. Bit I've never done that before. I was hopiing it was just one or two commands. |
| 19:26:09 | noidd | xtmdster: its a bit more than that to be honest with you |
| 19:26:17 | ciaolinux | kergoth: ok ... sorry... i finish to read |
| 19:26:19 | noidd | but kernel re-compilation is very well documented |
| 19:26:21 | kergoth | ciaolinux: np |
| 19:26:26 | numatrix | kergoth: btw, I unmounted my SD card and reinserted it and cardmon now shows it... |
| 19:26:35 | numatrix | kergoth: I don't have a CF in now though, but my wireless. |
| 19:26:35 | kergoth | numatrix: hrm.. |
| 19:26:42 | kergoth | numatrix: must be related. |
| 19:26:44 | kergoth | numatrix: weird |
| 19:27:04 | kergoth | numatrix: we need to nail that one down, if you wouldnt mind doing some experiemtnation with various combindations of sd/cf later after we're done diagnosing wireless, thatd be great |
| 19:27:04 | noidd | the problem isnt the adding of the new fucntions.. but the chances are that you will produce a kernel that works with your Z but does't work with your network or graphics card or something stupid like that |
| 19:27:20 | xtmdster | Ok, lemme look. I'll hopefully find a howto or at least come up with more specific questions. |
| 19:27:24 | numatrix | kergoth: Don't mind at all. |
| 19:27:32 | kergoth | numatrix: thanks |
| 19:27:43 | noidd | I have SD and CF cards here so can give you guys additonal datapoints with that bug |
| 19:27:50 | kergoth | noidd: that would be helpful |
| 19:28:01 | ciaolinux | in the sharp rom ... sometimes it umounts my mmb card by itself (always when i suspend)... it wouldn't mount unless i take off the card and replace it... |
| 19:28:11 | noidd | once I "un-brick" my Z :-) |
| 19:28:57 | | it has been said that your todo is eat or email mailto:parrotjm@email.uc.edu rotation details |
| 19:28:57 | noidd | ibot, my todo |
| 19:29:02 | noidd | right, brb |
| 19:31:48 | chouimat | Sniper: I send the article in 1hour |
| 19:32:11 | ciaolinux | chouimat: you are writing an article? |
| 19:32:13 | Sniper | ok thanks! |
| 19:32:24 | chouimat | ciaolinux: yes |
| 19:32:32 | | noidd, I didn't have anything matching 'my todo' |
| 19:32:32 | noidd | ibot, forget my todo |
| 19:32:42 | | noidd, I didn't have anything matching 'noidd todo' |
| 19:32:42 | noidd | ibot, forget noidd todo |
| 19:32:45 | ciaolinux | chouimat: about? |
| 19:32:53 | noidd | interesting... |
| 19:32:57 | | i guess your todo is eat or email mailto:parrotjm@email.uc.edu rotation details |
| 19:32:57 | noidd | ibot, my todo |
| 19:33:05 | | ciaolinux: sorry... |
| 19:33:05 | ciaolinux | ibot, my tod |
| 19:33:06 | | ciaolinux: excuse me? |
| 19:33:06 | ciaolinux | ibot, my todo |
| 19:33:07 | | noidd, I didn't have anything matching 'my todo' |
| 19:33:07 | noidd | ibot, forget my todo |
| 19:33:07 | chouimat | ciaolinux: about my sex life :) |
| 19:33:24 | ciaolinux | chouimat: Sniper is interested in that? hmm... |
| 19:33:41 | Sniper | YES |
| 19:33:46 | Sniper | err.. lack of |
| 19:33:50 | chouimat | ciaolinux: yup the use of a Zaurus to get more chicks in your bed |
| 19:33:57 | Sniper | hehe |
| 19:34:23 | ciaolinux | chouimat: do you connect it to an escort service provider? |
| 19:34:55 | chouimat | Sniper: ciaolinux just give an idea for an app :) |
| 19:35:18 | ciaolinux | chouimat: :-) yes... we can win next challange with that... |
| 19:35:40 | Sniper | hehe |
| 19:35:45 | Sniper | ok if u can do that - ill give u a Z |
| 19:36:08 | ciaolinux | Sniper: connect it to an excort website? that is not too hard |
| 19:36:20 | chouimat | Sniper: when tuesday is your demo? |
| 19:36:38 | chouimat | ciaolinux: no world escort service yellow page for the z |
| 19:37:21 | ciaolinux | chouimat: here in nyc we have village voice for that |
| 19:37:28 | Sniper | tues morning |
| 19:38:27 | Sniper | 31 |
| 19:38:44 | noidd | 42 |
| 19:38:54 | ciaolinux | bingo! |
| 19:38:55 | chouimat | Sniper: ok. I leaving this evening for the weekend. I don't know when monday I will be back. but the av will be ready a alpha one. |
| 19:39:02 | Sniper | OK |
| 19:39:04 | Sniper | send me the article!! |
| 19:39:50 | chouimat | Sniper currently debug some network problem @work so ... |
| 19:40:01 | Sniper | ok thanks |
| 19:40:09 | Sniper | ur a woman |
| 19:40:20 | Sniper | whoops! wrong window.. haha |
| 19:40:35 | kergoth | Sniper: no, YOU'RE a woman |
| 19:40:36 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:40:44 | ciaolinux | Sniper: no you are right... chouimat is a woman |
| 19:40:52 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:40:53 | chouimat | Sniper: yes with a beard and fur on my boobs :) |
| 19:41:10 | kergoth | shudders |
| 19:41:20 | ciaolinux | chouimat: brb... i am going to vomit... |
| 19:41:26 | Sniper | haha |
| 19:41:33 | chouimat | lol |
| 19:42:51 | noidd | poor bipolar |
| 19:44:13 | noidd | you in Xinrama heaven yet bipolar? |
| 19:44:22 | xtmdster | Hey, the Z does get chicks. It worked for me at the grocery store the other day. |
| 19:44:26 | bipolar | noidd: I am now.... |
| 19:44:30 | kergoth | xtmdster: nice |
| 19:44:31 | noidd | cool! |
| 19:44:34 | noidd | very cool |
| 19:44:41 | noidd | so, put up a screenshot! |
| 19:44:41 | Sniper | seriosuly? |
| 19:44:56 | xtmdster | Until I pulled up a random picture to show her and it was a woman. |
| 19:44:58 | Twiun | Sniper: looking for that one statistic that makes all that marketing valid? |
| 19:45:04 | bipolar | noidd: yuck... it's not pretty :) |
| 19:45:13 | noidd | do it anyways :-) |
| 19:45:41 | bipolar | noidd: Not untill I get better fonts! :) |
| 19:45:53 | noidd | looks at the clock - and patiently waits another 10 mins befre re-attaching battery to his Z |
| 19:45:55 | kergoth | bipolar: apt-get is your friend :) |
| 19:46:01 | kergoth | noidd: hehe. just in case? |
| 19:46:08 | xtmdster | I think she assumed it was my girlfriend. |
| 19:46:20 | noidd | kergoth: yeah - drain every mAh outta the lil bugger |
| 19:46:23 | Twiun | think she was that naive? |
| 19:46:33 | bipolar | kergoth: what package? :) |
| 19:46:43 | tux_mike_ | hrm... |
| 19:46:46 | kergoth | bipolar: xfonts-100dpi? xfonts-scalable? xfonts-base? |
| 19:46:50 | kergoth | bipolar: depends on what you want |
| 19:46:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:47:22 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: soon I will try and build the buildroot on Mangdrake 9 |
| 19:47:27 | bipolar | kergoth: TT ones :) |
| 19:47:29 | [DrEvil] | I will give you something to do |
| 19:47:34 | Sniper | ok guys |
| 19:47:38 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hah, fun |
| 19:47:42 | Sniper | Sharp has decided to kill the entire Zaurus line |
| 19:47:54 | Twiun | has a heart attack! |
| 19:48:02 | Sniper | we've all been fierd |
| 19:48:03 | Sniper | fired |
| 19:48:11 | kergoth | shoots sniper |
| 19:48:12 | noidd | Sniper: hehe, very funny :-) |
| 19:48:18 | [DrEvil] | where did you hear this tidbit of info |
| 19:48:25 | Sniper | I just got fired |
| 19:48:38 | Sniper | it was nice knowing all of you |
| 19:48:53 | Twiun | You're being serious? |
| 19:49:06 | noidd | ok, this is now reaching the 30 seconds "perhaps this is serious" moment |
| 19:49:08 | Sniper | SIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:49:12 | noidd | nah |
| 19:49:12 | numatrix | Bastard. |
| 19:49:12 | kergoth | Sniper: fucker. |
| 19:49:15 | Sniper | haha |
| 19:49:22 | Sniper | happy friday |
| 19:49:31 | Sniper | (I needed a good laugh today) .. im having a bad day |
| 19:49:32 | Twiun | Sniper: I've just lost my job... not really funny... |
| 19:49:34 | noidd | puts the phone down... |
| 19:49:38 | Twiun | pokes Sniper |
| 19:49:48 | noidd | I was in the process of ringing sharps head of UK zaurus sales |
| 19:49:52 | numatrix | Sounds like someone needs a friday beating to get his mood up. ;-) |
| 19:49:52 | noidd | I have his mobile number |
| 19:49:54 | numatrix | kicks sniper |
| 19:49:54 | Twiun | Ok, I did take voluntary... but still... |
| 19:49:55 | Sniper | hehe -i should have kept it going... |
| 19:50:01 | chouimat | Sniper: too much meeting? |
| 19:50:04 | kergoth | kicks sniper too |
| 19:50:12 | Sniper | too many stupid meetings this week |
| 19:50:26 | Twiun | How about we keep on this... and GET him fired ;-) |
| 19:50:30 | Twiun | cackles evilly |
| 19:50:32 | chouimat | kergoth: too hard again. Sniper is now in Quebec City |
| 19:50:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:50:50 | kergoth | chouimat: good! |
| 19:50:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:50:55 | noidd | actually, maybe I should ring him |
| 19:51:04 | noidd | tell him that a sharp repersentative told me that |
| 19:51:10 | noidd | and see how he takes it |
| 19:51:11 | noidd | :-) |
| 19:51:13 | Twiun | Hahahaha |
| 19:51:16 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:51:27 | numatrix | Only if you use the line: "happy friday" to explain it. ;-) |
| 19:51:34 | kergoth | numatrix: exactly |
| 19:51:51 | noidd | I dont know snipers real name |
| 19:52:00 | noidd | so i'll just say it was Spencer that told me |
| 19:52:00 | kergoth | does |
| 19:52:03 | noidd | :-) |
| 19:52:04 | Twiun | Lol |
| 19:52:34 | numatrix | Spencer Huang, right? Which one is that again? |
| 19:52:50 | noidd | since he used Spencer as a method of confirming that I was in fact doing stuff with it and not trying to just acquire a free Zaurus accessories kit |
| 19:53:18 | noidd | which he was kind enough to agree to send me on monday morning |
| 19:53:32 | numatrix | noidd: What were you doing with the accessory kit? |
| 19:54:04 | noidd | well, it contains a Zaurus power cable which fits in my fag-lighter in the car or usb port of my laptop |
| 19:54:15 | noidd | it also has one of those chemical cells |
| 19:54:23 | numatrix | noidd: Oh, the instant-power.com one? |
| 19:54:31 | noidd | I believe so. |
| 19:54:42 | numatrix | noidd: Yeah, I've been looking at those for a while for the exact same reason. |
| 19:55:04 | noidd | they are giving away free accessory kits with all Z sales in the UK now |
| 19:55:09 | noidd | and backdated them 2 months |
| 19:55:21 | noidd | I bought mine something like 2 weeks before that date |
| 19:55:24 | numatrix | noidd: Dang, that's pretty sweet. |
| 19:55:25 | noidd | and he was like "sorry" |
| 19:55:30 | Twiun | Grrrrr |
| 19:55:34 | Twiun | that hurts |
| 19:55:40 | noidd | so, after undue pressure (read nagging) |
| 19:55:40 | Sniper | sniper=spencer |
| 19:55:48 | Sniper | noid :do i know you? |
| 19:56:03 | numatrix | Sniper: Ok, just curious. Benmeyer is obvious, and Jason as well, so I should have assumed that was you. |
| 19:56:07 | noidd | Sniper: not in person no, but I had a very long chat about you with your best mate in the UK |
| 19:56:09 | noidd | :-) |
| 19:56:23 | numatrix | Sniper: I just knew that was one of the 'other' sharp guys, but didn't know if it was you or not. |
| 19:56:39 | numatrix | noidd: That's right, you said you were going to spill some dirt. |
| 19:56:47 | numatrix | After that little friday stunt, I think it's only fair. ;-) |
| 19:57:32 | noidd | kergoth: my Zaurus is still a brick |
| 19:57:43 | Sniper | let's hear the dirt |
| 19:57:47 | noidd | kergoth: going to try and revert back to sharp 2.38 |
| 19:57:49 | Sniper | noiddd: we chatted? |
| 19:58:00 | noidd | Sniper: only on irc, not irl |
| 19:58:04 | Sniper | ahh ok |
| 19:58:45 | noidd | I was kinda hoping that some of you lot from the otehr side of the atlantic would have made it over to linux expo |
| 19:58:49 | numatrix | Sniper: Ni shi bu shi zhong guo ren? |
| 19:59:02 | Sniper | numatrix |
| 19:59:14 | noidd | but since Sharp didn't even buy a table there (just borrowed a few square feet from a linux user group)... |
| 19:59:16 | Sniper | where r u from? |
| 19:59:30 | noidd | I'm guessing the Zaurus marketting in the UK has zero budget |
| 19:59:32 | Sniper | sharp=cheap! |
| 19:59:36 | numatrix | Sniper: Florida. Wo shi mei guo ren... |
| 19:59:56 | Sniper | numatrix: where were u born? |
| 20:00:30 | noidd | oh shit |
| 20:00:35 | numatrix | Sniper: Michigan. I'm not a native speaker... |
| 20:00:46 | noidd | realises that he has sawn the branch he was sitting on |
| 20:01:16 | Sniper | numatrix: me neither.. born in ioqa |
| 20:01:19 | Sniper | iowa |
| 20:01:32 | noidd | Dydy numatrix ddim yn siarad yr iaith yn wraithiol |
| 20:01:33 | numatrix | Wo xue zhong wen xue le yi nian zai wo de da xue. |
| 20:02:38 | Sniper | ahh i understand that.. i never took chinese.. :-( except when forced by parents to go to chinese school when i was small |
| 20:02:39 | noidd | Note to self. If you use your Zaurus to write files to CF card. If the Zaurus fails to flash, you have to way to revert. Doh. |
| 20:03:00 | numatrix | noidd: Wo ting bu dong. No comprende. |
| 20:03:03 | kergoth | noidd: tried holding cancel down for a few seconds? |
| 20:03:05 | _ibz | did anything change in the tcp/ip stack between rom's 2.38 and 2.39? |
| 20:03:14 | kergoth | 2.39 exists? |
| 20:03:32 | noidd | kergoth: nothing |
| 20:03:32 | _ibz | woops. 2.39 is the uk version of 2.38. |
| 20:03:44 | numatrix | Sniper: yeah, a lot of the people in my class were either native speakers learning to write or people who were ethnically chinese, but didn't learn it earlier. |
| 20:03:45 | noidd | numatrix: its Welsh, Cymraig. Not chinese :-) |
| 20:03:49 | _ibz | so i mean 2.37 and 2.38? |
| 20:03:57 | numatrix | noidd: I didn't think it was. :-) |
| 20:04:03 | noidd | heheh, indeed |
| 20:04:12 | numatrix | noidd: Cymraig; how is that word pronounced? |
| 20:04:25 | noidd | all I said was: numatrix is not a native speaker of the language |
| 20:04:40 | kergoth | _ibz: 2.38 doesnt allow syncing over wireless |
| 20:05:03 | numatrix | noidd: Does welsh normally have other characters than a-z or is it easily represented that way? Just curious... |
| 20:05:08 | noidd | depends where in the country you come from. Either "come-r-eye-g" or "come-rag" |
| 20:05:21 | numatrix | _ibz: But it's not the tcp/ip stack, it's qtopia not allowing connections on certain interfaces. |
| 20:05:28 | _ibz | kergoth: yeah, but am not using wireless. i originally had 2.38, then flashed to 2.39 but had ftp problems. so flashed back... |
| 20:06:12 | noidd | numatrix: its mostly representable in a-z. There are several additional letters but they are represented as pairs of letters. Eg: Ll. Ll is actually one letter. |
| 20:06:16 | _ibz | then everything was ok again, then i flashed to 2.39 again and had problems again...so flashed back...and it just works. |
| 20:06:39 | noidd | numatrix: it also has accents, mostly ^, the others ' and ` exist but are VERY rare |
| 20:07:02 | _ibz | i have heard people reporting problems, so am just wondering if it is fair to just state the "security fix" rom sucks! |
| 20:07:18 | numatrix | _ibz: I never really noticed many other issues. |
| 20:07:31 | _ibz | numatrix: which rom? |
| 20:08:05 | numatrix | _ibz: with 2.38. Worked fine for me, as did 2.37. |
| 20:08:29 | numatrix | Hmm, new ipaq will have bluetooth and 802.11 integrated: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-961393.html?tag=cd_mh |
| 20:08:49 | noidd | accents are very important tho... ffon and ffo^n (where the ^ is over the o) are two completly different words. One is a telephone, the other is a walking stick. |
| 20:09:12 | numatrix | noidd: Though I imagine you can pick it up in context without the accents in written conversations? |
| 20:09:29 | _ibz | numatrix: i just don't get it. because everything works fine on the Z side on "2.38" (e.g can access internet fine), but can't ftp *to* the "2.38" rom |
| 20:09:36 | numatrix | noidd: Chinese is even worse; ever word can have 4 different tones, and there are even multiple meanings to two words with the same tone occasionally. |
| 20:09:59 | numatrix | _ibz: If you just need ftp access, you can install an ftp server? |
| 20:10:11 | noidd | probably.. the words are pronouced differently. Welsh is an extremely phonetic language. No exceptions. Once you learn probably 10-15 letters -> sound mappings you can read anythin |
| 20:10:33 | noidd | numatrix: one of the reasons i'm scared of chinese - but a good reason to learn it |
| 20:10:37 | kergoth | _ibz: ftp *to* it via wireless or usb? |
| 20:10:49 | noidd | numatrix: I learned Welsh because its meant to be one of the hardest languanges to learn |
| 20:10:50 | _ibz | kergoth: usb. |
| 20:11:00 | numatrix | noidd: My two classes of chinese were harder than the rest of my 4 years in college combined. More work, and just plain harder. |
| 20:11:26 | noidd | numatrix: you know how in some languanges you "congigate" the ends of verbs... in Welsh you "congigate" the beginings of nouns! |
| 20:11:35 | noidd | and sometimes the end |
| 20:11:45 | numatrix | noidd: If it was spoken only, it wouldn't be that bad; sure the tones are pretty hard, but the grammar tends to be very straightforward; much better than most languages. Throw in reading and writing where every word has a unique character and it's rough. |
| 20:12:00 | | somebody said oz was see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 20:12:00 | bipolar | ibot: oz? |
| 20:12:05 | noidd | which means that with some words... very short words.. after you modify the begining and the end of the word... none of the original letters remain! |
| 20:12:17 | kergoth | bipolar: gonna try the prerelease? :) |
| 20:12:25 | _ibz | kergoth: nmap'ing the 2.38 rom shows just the sunrpc port open. numatrix: if there's an ftpd on "2.37" why would i need one for "2.38"? |
| 20:12:31 | bipolar | kergoth: yes. I just got usbdnet up |
| 20:12:35 | noidd | numatrix: the thing that put me off chinese the most is not knowing which dialect to learn |
| 20:12:45 | kergoth | _ibz: you shouldnt, qtopia runs the ftp server itself on 4242 |
| 20:13:01 | _ibz | kergoth: thought as much. |
| 20:13:09 | kergoth | _ibz: odd |
| 20:13:21 | _ibz | kergoth: odd enough to try OZ? |
| 20:13:28 | _ibz | ;) |
| 20:13:37 | noidd | crap, I am completely screwed now. |
| 20:13:39 | noidd | sighs. |
| 20:13:40 | kergoth | _ibz: well, i'd recommend it, but i'm biased ;) |
| 20:13:45 | kergoth | noidd: doesnt turn on still? |
| 20:13:51 | noidd | kergoth: nope |
| 20:13:59 | numatrix | noidd: Mandarin. Pretty simply choice; it's the state's official language, and therefore the most widely spoken. |
| 20:14:07 | _ibz | kergoth: am actually going to go OZ, as soon as i hear "stable"... |
| 20:14:18 | numatrix | _ibz: Soon... very soon... |
| 20:14:19 | kergoth | _ibz: oz follows debian style conventions |
| 20:14:39 | kergoth | _ibz: which means the so called 'unstable' release will be stable, and 'stable' will be anally stable |
| 20:14:44 | noidd | kergoth: it still responds to C+D + reset.. so at least its not fatal |
| 20:14:45 | kergoth | _ibz: :) |
| 20:14:48 | kergoth | noidd: hmm |
| 20:14:58 | noidd | just going to have to wait until I find a way to write ospack to my cf card |
| 20:15:03 | _ibz | kergoth: hehe |
| 20:15:11 | Dessimat0r | buy a CF reader for £5 |
| 20:15:20 | kergoth | hugs his CF reader |
| 20:15:21 | noidd | doh |
| 20:15:23 | Dessimat0r | from www.ebuyer.co.uk |
| 20:15:24 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:15:26 | noidd | laffs |
| 20:15:30 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 20:15:30 | noidd | I have a CF reader |
| 20:15:35 | Dessimat0r | oh |
| 20:15:36 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:15:38 | noidd | I forgot all about it |
| 20:15:42 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 20:15:42 | noidd | thank you for the reminder |
| 20:15:45 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:15:46 | Dessimat0r | np |
| 20:15:55 | noidd | I used to use my digital camera as a CF reader |
| 20:16:01 | noidd | so I was trying to use that |
| 20:16:01 | Dessimat0r | remember that you can format the card to fat16 it also |
| 20:16:03 | _ibz | kergoth: btw, did you get an email from a strange guy asking for bitkeeper oz help recently? |
| 20:16:07 | Dessimat0r | using it also ;) |
| 20:16:08 | noidd | when you mentioned that - I remembered i bought one |
| 20:16:31 | kergoth | _ibz: yeah, rings a bell |
| 20:16:45 | noidd | ok, plugging in usb device - I may crash |
| 20:17:10 | _ibz | kergoth: well....what to do when it fails to checkout ipkg? |
| 20:17:22 | kergoth | _ibz: 90% chance you have an old cvs version |
| 20:17:28 | kergoth | _ibz: read BUILD for further info |
| 20:17:31 | kergoth | _ibz: onyx4 found that issue |
| 20:17:39 | _ibz | kergoth: cool, thanx. |
| 20:17:45 | Dessimat0r | bbs |
| 20:19:09 | kergoth | _ibz: np |
| 20:31:34 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/official/unstable/20021011_1237/ |
| 20:31:34 | noidd | ibot, oz prerelease |
| 20:34:49 | noidd | kergoth: found the problem. Truncated initrd.bin file |
| 20:35:17 | noidd | kergoth: any chance of you putting checksums for the files in a checksum file for releases? :-) |
| 20:35:25 | noidd | (he asks real nice) |
| 20:39:01 | kergoth | noidd: yes, very very good idea. |
| 20:39:17 | kergoth | noidd: i wish SF had the ability to display md5sums next to files in the file list. |
| 20:39:21 | kergoth | noidd: :) |
| 20:39:35 | noidd | was 9 meg in size, not 14 |
| 20:39:43 | noidd | kergoth: that would be a sensible idea - yes |
| 20:40:38 | noidd | i'm glad its just a truncated file tho - I feel a lot better now |
| 20:40:42 | noidd | now i know what it is |
| 20:40:59 | noidd | (saying that - the re-flash isn't finished yet so it may still be brick-like) |
| 20:50:10 | noidd | OZ logo! |
| 20:50:28 | kergoth | noidd: hehe |
| 20:50:30 | kergoth | noidd: nice |
| 20:50:51 | noidd | can you hear the relief in my voice? :-) |
| 20:50:52 | kergoth | noidd: you grabbed 1237 or 1518? if you grabbed 1237, upgrade your oz-base and pmcica-cs from 1518 |
| 20:51:36 | noidd | it was 1517 and was halfway through flashing when you put up 1518. No way in hell was I aborting it. Discord lies that way |
| 20:51:52 | noidd | got the new initrd.bin file and copying it onto cf and reflashing now |
| 20:52:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:52:09 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:52:16 | kergoth | just upgrade your oz-base and pcmcia-cs :) |
| 20:52:23 | kergoth | there was a bug with wireless, and a bug with the ramdisk |
| 20:52:42 | noidd | both good reasons to upgrade |
| 20:53:03 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:54:23 | noidd | okie - reflashing... |
| 20:59:34 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 20:59:46 | noidd | ello |
| 21:03:54 | Data_ | is gone. Gone since Fri Sep 20 08:54:01 2002 |
| 21:04:16 | chouimat | Sniper: ping? |
| 21:09:28 | benmeyer | probably already went home |
| 21:09:45 | noidd | home is good |
| 21:09:52 | chouimat | benmeyer: I'm speaking with him |
| 21:12:18 | Sniper | no |
| 21:12:24 | Sniper | :-( |
| 21:14:12 | chouimat | Sniper: I'm home :) |
| 21:16:52 | Sniper | chouimat: i want to go home |
| 21:26:19 | _ibz | so, about the "new" zaurus...is has a 360 degree rotating display right? anyone know if it can be detached? |
| 21:27:20 | _ibz | Sniper: i {know|hear} you aren't allowed to comment... |
| 21:27:20 | BZFlag | _ibz: I doubt it. |
| 21:27:40 | _ibz | BZFlag: you've played with one right? |
| 21:27:46 | BZFlag | not that one, no. |
| 21:28:04 | _ibz | BZFlag: are you are sharpy? |
| 21:28:10 | | hmmm... BZFlag is TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions. |
| 21:28:10 | BZFlag | ibot: BZFlag |
| 21:28:32 | egv | I'm trying to get my z to reach the internet via the cradle, which is connected to a win2k box... |
| 21:28:36 | _ibz | you *are* bzflag? |
| 21:28:42 | BZFlag | heh |
| 21:28:55 | _ibz | sheesh... |
| 21:29:10 | _ibz | wow... |
| 21:29:28 | _ibz | anyway, are you allowed to comment on the one you've played with? |
| 21:30:37 | egv | I'm trying to follow the steps in this doc (http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/syncing_and_sharp_io_port.php3), but I must be doing something wrong. |
| 21:31:00 | egv | my z can't ping anything external |
| 21:31:12 | egv | any thoughts on what I forgot to setup? |
| 21:31:16 | Rixster | I have a reboot question - any takers ? |
| 21:31:36 | _ibz | BZFlag: hehe. good answer ;) |
| 21:31:37 | Rixster | It sounds simple btw |
| 21:32:18 | Rixster | Well here it is anyways.... |
| 21:32:51 | Rixster | About 1 in 5 shutdowns cause both LEDS to come on - and a hard reset is the only way out |
| 21:33:12 | Rixster | Which is a real pain if you've just installed all your apps into ram |
| 21:33:26 | Rixster | and maybe (heaven forbid) actually got some data you want to keep |
| 21:33:40 | Rixster | WHY is it doing this :-( |
| 21:34:14 | _ibz | Rixster: problems have been reported on reboots on some Z's, if they haven't dropped to suspend mode between reboots... |
| 21:34:24 | Rixster | oooh |
| 21:34:28 | Rixster | what's the solution ? |
| 21:34:34 | Rixster | bin it ? |
| 21:34:35 | _ibz | suspend? |
| 21:35:01 | Rixster | it doesn't suspend - the screen stays as the "reboot" app but just gradually gets more and more grey |
| 21:35:08 | _ibz | i don't know if that's your problem but... |
| 21:35:25 | Rixster | oh I get it |
| 21:35:35 | numatrix | is back (gone 05:38:43) |
| 21:35:36 | Rixster | need at least one suspend between reboots ? |
| 21:35:41 | _ibz | Rixster: yah |
| 21:38:25 | Rixster | hmmm |
| 21:45:32 | egv | no takers for my networking question? |
| 21:45:57 | _ibz | egv: windows desktop right? |
| 21:46:17 | anselor|home | argh |
| 21:46:18 | egv | 'fraid so... not by choice |
| 21:47:25 | anselor|home | the sharp support people aren't very organized. |
| 21:47:40 | _ibz | egv: can you sync ok? |
| 21:48:05 | egv | _ibz: yup, I can sync just fine. that's what has me confused. |
| 21:48:22 | _ibz | egv: prolly the firewall. XP? |
| 21:48:35 | egv | _ibz: from my windows box, I can ping my z when it's in the cradle, but from the z I can't ping anything. |
| 21:48:41 | egv | _ibz: nope, win2k |
| 21:50:37 | Twiun | egv: got the terminal installed on the Z? |
| 21:51:13 | egv | Twiun: uhh... not unless it came with the oz image. I'm trying to get the network setup so I can get to the feeds |
| 21:52:00 | Twiun | egv: Ahhh... you're using oz? |
| 21:52:10 | egv | Twiun: trying ;) |
| 21:52:30 | Twiun | egv: right ;-) talked to kergoth yet? |
| 21:52:40 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 35 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: i want to go home [Fri Oct 11 15:16:52 2002] |
| 21:52:40 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 21:52:47 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 16 hours, 58 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: good night [Thu Oct 10 22:54:10 2002] |
| 21:52:47 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 21:52:52 | kergoth | egv: can you ping the ip of the usb interface of the desktop from the Z? |
| 21:54:47 | egv | kergoth: yeah, I can ping 192.168.129.201 which is the USB ip I set in intellisync and I can also ping 192.168.129.1 which is what the USB interface is set to |
| 21:55:14 | BigBoss | yo |
| 21:57:00 | chouimat | he BigBoss |
| 22:02:25 | Rixster | _ibz: You still here ?? |
| 22:02:28 | Midway_ | Hi all |
| 22:02:50 | Midway_ | somebody here has an opera ipk? *hope* |
| 22:04:33 | Rixster | _ibz : YOU THE MAN !! |
| 22:04:54 | Rixster | _ibz : FWIW if you do two reboots in a row without a suspend, you loose your RAM! |
| 22:05:00 | Rixster | Don't try this at home kids |
| 22:05:08 | egv | Rixster: got your reboot problem fixed then? |
| 22:05:10 | Rixster | not unless you've backed everything up anyway |
| 22:05:14 | Rixster | egv: Yep |
| 22:05:52 | Rixster | Whenever my Z was acting kinda funny I'd reboot it |
| 22:06:21 | Rixster | I've just confirmed that with my Z, if you do it and don't have a suspend inbetween, it basically locks up and the only way out is via the reset key |
| 22:06:21 | egv | d'oh... I can see where that's going ;) |
| 22:06:33 | Rixster | egv: You've heard of this problem ? |
| 22:06:53 | egv | Rixster: nope, but I was following your thread earlier |
| 22:07:19 | egv | Rixster: if you have to reboot a lot, I imagine you've spent a fair amount of time cursing while you reinstall everything |
| 22:07:20 | Rixster | I can't believe it is such a simple thing but it really screws your day up |
| 22:11:29 | Rixster | does anybody know if suspend / resume runs a script or anything ??? |
| 22:12:17 | oGMo | probably |
| 22:16:32 | kergoth | Rixster: no. it doesnt. |
| 22:16:39 | kergoth | Rixster: there is no suspend/resume script capability in the zaurus |
| 22:17:03 | _ibz | Rixster: ;) |
| 22:20:28 | _ibz | kergoth: how does the suspend/resume work? |
| 22:21:39 | kergoth | _ibz: qtopia tells kernel apm subsystem to suspend, apm subsystem tells kernel a power management event is occuring, that propogates down to anyone who registered functions to be run on suspend/resume. |
| 22:22:25 | _ibz | hmmn...so apm -s wouldn't work? |
| 22:22:30 | kergoth | apm -s works great. |
| 22:22:45 | _ibz | with atd? |
| 22:22:55 | kergoth | _ibz: qtopia calls apm -s to communicate with the apm subsystem |
| 22:23:09 | kergoth | _ibz: atd is irrelevent, its a daemon for managing alarms and syncing the hw with sw clock |
| 22:23:21 | _ibz | so what did you mean by no wway to script suspend/resume? |
| 22:23:42 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:23:44 | kergoth | how would you? |
| 22:23:55 | kergoth | apm -s does an ioctl. kernel runs suspend/resume functions in drivers |
| 22:24:00 | kergoth | at no point does anyone run any scripts |
| 22:24:04 | kergoth | or exec anything in userspace |
| 22:24:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:24:26 | TheMasterMind1 | you can script it.. |
| 22:24:29 | kergoth | cardmgr learns about it via the pcmcia drivers, which learned about the event via registering a function for it, as i said |
| 22:24:31 | TheMasterMind1 | system("apm -s"); |
| 22:24:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no, you cant. |
| 22:24:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: huh? |
| 22:24:37 | TheMasterMind1 | that won't work? |
| 22:24:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: he wants a script to be run on suspend or resume |
| 22:24:46 | TheMasterMind1 | oooh |
| 22:24:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not a script to *cause* a suspend |
| 22:24:50 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 22:24:50 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:24:51 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 22:25:14 | _ibz | oh, that was the question? |
| 22:25:32 | kergoth | 17:20 < Rixster> does anybody know if suspend / resume runs a script or |
| 22:25:33 | kergoth | anything ??? |
| 22:25:48 | kergoth | suspend/resume is kernel stuff. nobody runs scripts on suspend or resume |
| 22:25:53 | _ibz | ah...my apologies. |
| 22:25:58 | kergoth | ipaq has support for scripts to be executed on suspend/resume |
| 22:26:00 | kergoth | but its an ugly hack |
| 22:26:04 | kergoth | and i refuse to do it for oz |
| 22:26:11 | kergoth | i'd rather find a real solution |
| 22:26:55 | _ibz | but an ugly hack now, may lead to a real solution later ;) |
| 22:27:31 | kergoth | _ibz: only if someone gets tired of the hack later |
| 22:27:37 | kergoth | _ibz: i'm already tired of the hack :) |
| 22:28:24 | _ibz | kergoth: but there must be *some* ugly hacks in OZ...what might they be? |
| 22:29:06 | TheMasterMind1 | nooope |
| 22:29:12 | TheMasterMind1 | no ugly hacks in oz at all |
| 22:29:43 | Rixster | Hey Kergoth |
| 22:29:45 | _ibz | TheMasterMind1: none whatsoever? |
| 22:29:57 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 22:29:58 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 22:30:08 | Rixster | I've just discovered that apm controls the on / off suspend, so it would be easy to put a wrapper around to confirm that you've suspended once |
| 22:30:28 | Rixster | but the / partition is mounted read only so there's no messing with shutdown |
| 22:30:44 | Rixster | Maybe it's worth writing a "safe" shutdown Qt App |
| 22:30:55 | kergoth | Rixster: heh, if you'd scroll up, you'd see me explaining about apm and how suspend/resume is handled |
| 22:30:59 | kergoth | Rixster: heh |
| 22:31:23 | kergoth | Rixster: but yeah, a shutdown hack may be worthwhile |
| 22:31:39 | _ibz | TheMasterMind1: do you think the sharp folks secretly wish the sharp rom was like oz, or do you think they think it an ugly hack (e.g writing to flash) |
| 22:31:57 | kergoth | _ibz: depends who in sharp you're referring to |
| 22:31:58 | TheMasterMind1 | _ibz: oz is much nicer than the sharp rom |
| 22:32:02 | Rixster | Yeah I read it |
| 22:32:03 | kergoth | _ibz: i highly doubt they have an official position |
| 22:32:34 | Rixster | but I was thinking something like mv'ing apm aside and wrapping it with another apm which can remove itself once it's been suspended the first time |
| 22:32:56 | Rixster | The only other thing to do is include something in the rc.d stuff to signal that it hasn't been suspended |
| 22:33:05 | Rixster | Now I know it's a hack |
| 22:33:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:33:18 | TheMasterMind1 | e2fsck is nowhere to be found |
| 22:33:25 | Rixster | But I'm hacked off loosing (basically) 6 hours of great kismet logs :-) |
| 22:33:26 | _ibz | kergoth: i take it they provide you with hardly any support... |
| 22:33:27 | TheMasterMind1 | but checkfs.sh and checkroot.sh do fscking |
| 22:33:54 | TheMasterMind1 | support? who needs support.. |
| 22:33:55 | kergoth | _ibz: quite the contrary. |
| 22:34:00 | kergoth | _ibz: they've been extremely helpful |
| 22:34:04 | Rixster | e2fsck is definitely there - I had to use it on my mmcard |
| 22:34:07 | Speedy2 | Yo. |
| 22:34:10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: checkfs doesnt check sd |
| 22:34:13 | TheMasterMind1 | yes i know its there |
| 22:34:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:34:17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: due the the way things are set in fstab |
| 22:34:17 | TheMasterMind1 | sdcontrol maybe? |
| 22:34:18 | Speedy2 | I fixed an iMac sound problem |
| 22:34:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the '0 0' |
| 22:34:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i was thinking sdcontrol as well |
| 22:34:39 | Speedy2 | Note to all, sound on an iMac maybe flakey if the front audio jacks' solder joints break |
| 22:34:43 | Speedy2 | flaky |
| 22:34:49 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:34:50 | TheMasterMind1 | nope, not in sdcontrol either |
| 22:34:52 | Rixster | Does anyone else have that problem with MMCards about not remounting properly after a resume ? |
| 22:35:08 | TheMasterMind1 | Rixster: they should never get umounted.. |
| 22:35:20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:35:24 | TheMasterMind1 | it did a fucked up reboot |
| 22:35:24 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 22:35:27 | Rixster | Its not they get unmounted, but they get kinda corrupted |
| 22:35:43 | TheMasterMind1 | cannot create /dev/null: no such file or directory |
| 22:35:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:35:47 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not good |
| 22:35:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:35:57 | Rixster | I use to have mine fat32 which was always loosing stuff, duping directories etc |
| 22:36:00 | egv | hmm... the blue angels are buzzing my building... |
| 22:36:00 | TheMasterMind1 | quitting from opie-login causes a segfault |
| 22:36:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hahaha |
| 22:36:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the urandom start failure |
| 22:36:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: was a missing directory |
| 22:36:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: one mkdir fixed it |
| 22:36:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: lmao |
| 22:36:19 | Rixster | now with ext2 at least they don't loose as much |
| 22:36:28 | TheMasterMind1 | Could not determine filesystem type for /dev/mmcda1 |
| 22:36:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i rebooted |
| 22:36:33 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: Play with IR? |
| 22:36:34 | TheMasterMind1 | it fscked properly this time |
| 22:36:37 | Speedy2 | Damn it |
| 22:36:38 | TheMasterMind1 | might have been the first time |
| 22:36:42 | TheMasterMind1 | Speedy2: nope, not enough time |
| 22:36:44 | Speedy2 | Can't tin, it's asking for login/pass |
| 22:36:46 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe this weekend |
| 22:36:55 | Speedy2 | Hrm |
| 22:37:01 | Speedy2 | Maybe I can improve "Hello World" some |
| 22:37:04 | TheMasterMind1 | mknod: /dev/initctl: no such file or dir |
| 22:37:18 | TheMasterMind1 | S35mountall has the /dev/null error |
| 22:37:35 | TheMasterMind1 | do we need to have it autoload the module nls_utf8 |
| 22:37:39 | TheMasterMind1 | is someone writing all this down? |
| 22:37:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the mknod will be fixed with my moving the freset stuff till after other things are started |
| 22:37:57 | TheMasterMind1 | we need an official bug writer downer |
| 22:38:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the /dev/null i'll look into |
| 22:38:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: theres a sf bug tracker, use it |
| 22:38:12 | TheMasterMind1 | um |
| 22:38:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'll add a 2.9.7 category |
| 22:38:21 | TheMasterMind1 | unable to start /usr/sbin/inetd: Exec format error |
| 22:38:21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:38:45 | TheMasterMind1 | what are block-major 3 and 60 can't find those either |
| 22:39:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: block major errors are due to it not recognizing the file type of files its touching |
| 22:39:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not sure on that |
| 22:39:32 | TheMasterMind1 | not an error, it just can't load those modules |
| 22:39:38 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:39:43 | kergoth | i mean, i dont see why |
| 22:39:49 | kergoth | but try this new oz-base pacakge, i'll put it up in a sec |
| 22:39:55 | TheMasterMind1 | the first bootup after flashing has that fsck error |
| 22:40:18 | TheMasterMind1 | Could not determine filesystem type for /dev/mmcda1 too |
| 22:40:24 | TheMasterMind1 | right before the fsck when i rebooted |
| 22:40:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i think the fsck error will go away with this change, a number of things were happening in the wrong order, the Reconfiguring packages step should have happened later on |
| 22:40:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:40:46 | TheMasterMind1 | that's good |
| 22:40:49 | kergoth | very |
| 22:40:53 | kergoth | opie rules |
| 22:40:57 | kergoth | the latest ver is so sweet |
| 22:40:57 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. why does reboot from console do the fucked up reboot |
| 22:41:00 | Speedy2 | Opium rools. |
| 22:41:02 | TheMasterMind1 | with the screen becoming all messed up |
| 22:41:06 | TheMasterMind1 | and it failing half the time |
| 22:41:08 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 22:41:09 | endr | kergoth: latest ver is what? |
| 22:41:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah, its a hardcore reboot |
| 22:41:15 | kergoth | endr: the one i built from cvs today. |
| 22:41:19 | TheMasterMind1 | we don't want that |
| 22:41:21 | TheMasterMind1 | it kills the Z |
| 22:41:21 | kergoth | endr: and the one in the 2.9.7 prerelease roms |
| 22:41:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i know, not sure how to get around it |
| 22:41:33 | TheMasterMind1 | rm reboot |
| 22:41:36 | endr | kergoth: cool -- where can I DL? |
| 22:41:55 | TheMasterMind1 | echo "please use reboot from opie" > /sbin/reboot |
| 22:41:56 | | somebody said oz prerelease was http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021011_1518/ |
| 22:41:56 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 22:42:03 | TheMasterMind1 | whats the good way to reboot? |
| 22:42:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:42:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just for shits |
| 22:42:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: try shutdown -r n ow |
| 22:42:20 | TheMasterMind1 | can't locate module binfmt-464c |
| 22:42:22 | kergoth | s/n ow/now/; |
| 22:42:24 | cerezu | does anyone play nethack here? |
| 22:42:36 | endr | kergoth k -- not obvious, prerelease == stable...:) |
| 22:42:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate how the console's screwed up always |
| 22:43:15 | Speedy2 | <-- bored. |
| 22:43:20 | kergoth | endr: prerelease == new. stability is up for debate |
| 22:43:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 22:43:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: console screwed up? |
| 22:43:38 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, like when you do tab to show opitions |
| 22:43:40 | endr | kergoth: LOL |
| 22:43:41 | TheMasterMind1 | they're not lined up |
| 22:43:50 | endr | kergoth: you mean cool != stable? |
| 22:43:56 | oGMo | cerezu: nethack! |
| 22:44:07 | TheMasterMind1 | and it never seems to recognize the width of the screen |
| 22:44:08 | oGMo | well, i've played it, and even gotten a ways, but |
| 22:44:16 | TheMasterMind1 | probably some stupid busybox thing |
| 22:44:20 | TheMasterMind1 | but its a pain in the ass |
| 22:44:22 | scanline | is back (gone 06:27:18) |
| 22:44:28 | oGMo | never the patience to ascend |
| 22:44:31 | kergoth | endr: cool == new, i never said anything about stability. |
| 22:44:46 | kergoth | endr: we dont know how stable it is until we test it, do we? which is exactly what we're doing now |
| 22:44:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:44:56 | kergoth | hey ToyKeeper |
| 22:45:00 | ToyKeeper | 'lo. |
| 22:45:33 | ToyKeeper | .. thinking of trying again to coerce X11 into happiness. |
| 22:45:36 | endr | kergoth: aha, philosophy...but cool implies testable, which implies interesting due to usefullness, which implies stability...:) |
| 22:45:52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth shutdown doesnt' seem to do anything |
| 22:45:56 | Speedy2 | X... |
| 22:45:58 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: can you tell me where to get a theme/visualization to look like this image, for the zaurus? http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/images/screenshots/opie-advancedfm.png |
| 22:46:04 | endr | kergoth: I only regret I have but one Z to test with..heheh |
| 22:46:04 | kergoth | endr: interesting due to usefulness does *not* imply stability. usefulness and stability are quite different things :) |
| 22:46:17 | kergoth | endr: i can *use* a pretty unstsable thing. hell, i do every day, its called windows |
| 22:46:20 | kergoth | endr: :) |
| 22:46:22 | endr | kergoth: define usefullness without stability? |
| 22:46:26 | kergoth | endr: windows. |
| 22:46:26 | endr | kergoth: damn you win!! |
| 22:46:27 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:46:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:46:33 | endr | laughs |
| 22:46:38 | kergoth | muahaha |
| 22:46:39 | kergoth | okay anyway |
| 22:46:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it doesnt? try init 6; |
| 22:46:58 | TheMasterMind1 | trying.. |
| 22:47:09 | TheMasterMind1 | cerezu: that looks like liquid.. it should be in the feeds. opie-liquid |
| 22:47:13 | TheMasterMind1 | init6 worked |
| 22:47:18 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: okay, thanks. |
| 22:47:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: properly? no flakiness? |
| 22:47:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i wasn't looking :) |
| 22:47:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:47:59 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:48:04 | kergoth | i need to figure out how bk's tagging works |
| 22:48:12 | TheMasterMind1 | no it does the fucked up thing too |
| 22:48:22 | kergoth | hrm |
| 22:48:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well all opie does is runs 'reboot' |
| 22:49:02 | kergoth | hey mike |
| 22:49:13 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see |
| 22:49:18 | TheMasterMind1 | opie does a fucked up reboot too |
| 22:49:22 | TheMasterMind1 | the screen goes all freaky |
| 22:49:25 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:49:31 | kergoth | i dont know if theres a way to stop that |
| 22:49:33 | TheMasterMind1 | and half the time it just freezes |
| 22:49:33 | kergoth | i'll have to dig into it |
| 22:49:37 | TheMasterMind1 | what a pain |
| 22:49:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 'half the time' .. rixter identified that as if you start the Z, dont suspend at all, and reboot |
| 22:49:47 | TheMasterMind1 | opie annoys me |
| 22:49:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:49:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its not an opie bug |
| 22:49:55 | tux_mike | 'lo |
| 22:49:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we're talking kernel here. |
| 22:49:59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:50:04 | TheMasterMind1 | that kernel pisses me off more |
| 22:50:15 | TheMasterMind1 | half this shit is cuz of th eold ass kernel |
| 22:50:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: after this release! its back to kernel coding |
| 22:50:33 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:50:43 | TheMasterMind1 | seems like opie-login doesn't follow any of the appearance settings and stuff |
| 22:50:49 | TheMasterMind1 | thats' why its fucking up |
| 22:50:54 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to install tinyx and fluxbox |
| 22:50:58 | Speedy2 | Damn modem |
| 22:50:59 | TheMasterMind1 | drools |
| 22:51:08 | TheMasterMind1 | flux on Zaurus == sweeet |
| 22:51:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: use matchbox :) |
| 22:51:20 | kergoth | matchbox = designed for a pda |
| 22:51:25 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 22:51:30 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 22:51:32 | kergoth | wb |
| 22:51:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:51:34 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Link to a pic of matchbox? |
| 22:51:35 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 22:51:35 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 22:51:39 | Speedy2 | <--- insanely bored |
| 22:51:40 | TheMasterMind1 | fluxbox > * |
| 22:51:44 | Speedy2 | Fixed the iMac, now I have nothing to do. |
| 22:51:48 | kergoth | uhm, there was an article on linuxdevices on matchbox |
| 22:51:50 | kergoth | look it up |
| 22:51:54 | kergoth | mallum was pretty happy |
| 22:51:56 | Speedy2 | Well, I have to re-assembly, but need to show the guy what's up |
| 22:51:57 | endr | kergoth: sorry, does that mean my Z fails to reboot (necessitating a hard reset) with OZ unless I suspend? |
| 22:51:58 | kergoth | it got slashdotted |
| 22:52:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I'm on modem here dude! |
| 22:52:08 | kergoth | endr: not just OZ, general Z behavior |
| 22:52:28 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: if I am in appearance applet, and I click on liquid, and then apply, but it doesn't give me a message to restart opie and just exists appearance applet, so I restart opie anyway and the theme isn't installed? |
| 22:52:33 | endr | kergoth: really...hmm...interesting, been wondering about that. |
| 22:52:35 | kergoth | endr: if you boot, dont suspend it at all, dont hold cancel to suspend, and reboot, it supposedly hangs. i havent reproduced this myself |
| 22:52:44 | kergoth | endr: i havent had time |
| 22:52:49 | endr | will try right now. |
| 22:53:18 | Speedy2 | Matchbox is what? |
| 22:53:38 | kergoth | Speedy2: X window manager designed for pda use |
| 22:53:52 | TheMasterMind1 | cerezu: interesting |
| 22:53:56 | TheMasterMind1 | go bitch at the opie guys |
| 22:53:58 | | it has been said that opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 22:53:58 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot opie bugs |
| 22:54:04 | TheMasterMind1 | submit a bug thing there |
| 22:54:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i went through the oz bug tracker today and closed like 99% of them |
| 22:54:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we'd already fixed em |
| 22:54:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 22:54:24 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 22:54:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: theres a few legitimate ones, but not many |
| 22:55:01 | TheMasterMind1 | opies just getting to be annoying now. i'm going to load up x and picogui and use those |
| 22:55:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:55:17 | kergoth | opie's improving rapidly |
| 22:55:18 | kergoth | like, daily |
| 22:55:21 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:55:25 | TheMasterMind1 | but they keep adding new stuff |
| 22:55:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:55:29 | kergoth | of course they do |
| 22:55:30 | TheMasterMind1 | and don't fix the small stupid shit |
| 22:55:38 | kergoth | they've got until november to get it stabilized for release |
| 22:55:42 | kergoth | until then its all out development |
| 22:55:46 | kergoth | adding new features while they can |
| 22:55:52 | TheMasterMind1 | what happens in nov? |
| 22:55:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: opie 1.0 release. |
| 22:56:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 22:56:14 | cerezu | kergoth: if I upgrade opie-base, I have to upgrade the applets, but if I upgrade appearance only, I have to upgrade opie-base? |
| 22:56:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they'll freeze the featureset and only allow fixes for a while before the release, if they're smart |
| 22:56:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i'd be happier if they fixed the small things that are so annoying instead of adding new buggy code |
| 22:56:31 | kergoth | cerezu: hard to say. the opie interdependencies are intricate |
| 22:56:35 | cerezu | kergoth: is it version skew, because it belongs to the certain version? |
| 22:56:37 | TheMasterMind1 | that might just be me |
| 22:56:47 | TheMasterMind1 | matchbox looks decent |
| 22:56:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not going to happen. from a user perspective you're right, but thye want to get it fully featured first while they can, then debug from there |
| 22:57:03 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:57:06 | kergoth | cerezu: not really. just at certain points new apps depend on new features in the libs |
| 22:57:13 | kergoth | cerezu: but the dependencies dont take into account versioning |
| 22:57:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i see that from a devel's point of view |
| 22:57:22 | TheMasterMind1 | but then i go use the zaurus and it just ticks me off |
| 22:57:27 | Speedy2 | Grr. |
| 22:57:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: me too |
| 22:57:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: like |
| 22:57:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i just want opie-confedit to not be a floating damn window |
| 22:57:40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cause it drives me nuts |
| 22:57:41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:57:46 | Speedy2 | MatchBox is what? |
| 22:57:50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but its such a small stupid thing, they've got bigger fish to fry |
| 22:57:53 | TheMasterMind1 | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/ |
| 22:57:58 | kergoth | Speedy2: window manager for X designed for pda use |
| 22:58:03 | | matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 22:58:03 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot matchbox |
| 22:58:05 | Speedy2 | Hrm |
| 22:58:06 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 22:58:09 | cerezu | kergoth, TheMasterMind: are the new OZ (prerelease) images safe to load, or not? |
| 22:58:13 | kergoth | cerezu: yes |
| 22:58:17 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:58:19 | kergoth | cerezu: more stable than 2.9.5.5 |
| 22:58:21 | kergoth | cerezu: :) |
| 22:58:24 | TheMasterMind1 | type exit when e2fsck dies on you |
| 22:58:33 | TheMasterMind1 | other than that its fine |
| 22:58:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: only if he has a sd :) |
| 22:58:34 | cerezu | ok |
| 22:58:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:58:47 | cerezu | I have sd and cf |
| 22:58:53 | TheMasterMind1 | Matchbox should also be 'apt-get'able for people using Debian. |
| 22:58:56 | kergoth | cerezu: then hit exit like he said |
| 22:59:02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:59:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:59:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i have to try this on my 1024x768 |
| 22:59:08 | kergoth | okay |
| 22:59:12 | kergoth | i'm throwing up another initrd |
| 22:59:17 | kergoth | this one with the latest ordering fixes in oz-base |
| 22:59:20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:59:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't want to reflash.. |
| 22:59:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: grab the new oz-base from the snapshot/feed dir i'm about to create |
| 22:59:34 | TheMasterMind1 | gimme a spectrum cs thing too |
| 22:59:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you dont have to, i upload the ipks as of this time as well |
| 22:59:38 | cerezu | kergoth: okay, tell me when you have it up, cause I will dl that instead. |
| 22:59:38 | TheMasterMind1 | with uncommented thing |
| 22:59:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, i'll do that in a sec. i want this uploaded, then i'll do that |
| 23:00:08 | kergoth | i wonder how much space i can use on SF before they get pissed |
| 23:00:10 | kergoth | checks for quotas |
| 23:00:18 | kergoth | kergoth@usw-pr-shell1:~$ quota |
| 23:00:19 | kergoth | Disk quotas for user kergoth (uid 71025): none |
| 23:00:20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:00:22 | kergoth | is it just me |
| 23:00:27 | kergoth | or is that really stupid on their part? |
| 23:00:29 | Speedy2 | Matchbox does look cute. |
| 23:00:35 | cerezu | kergoth: is stupid. |
| 23:00:45 | kergoth | cerezu: k, just checking :) |
| 23:01:00 | cerezu | kergoth: just make a script to forever copy files from /bin or /lib into recursive binaries in your local directory, heh. |
| 23:01:29 | cerezu | kergoth: that is if you wanted to screw w/it. But it seems to me that no disk quota(s) <is> stupid |
| 23:01:33 | kergoth | cerezu: i'm not *that* mean |
| 23:01:36 | kergoth | cerezu: but yeah, lame |
| 23:02:18 | noiddz | yum! |
| 23:02:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:02:24 | kergoth | noiddz: opie-irc? |
| 23:02:31 | noiddz | you got it |
| 23:02:43 | kergoth | pretty nifty eh? |
| 23:02:49 | noiddz | very nifty |
| 23:02:51 | kergoth | i like that you can tap+hold on people to ctcp stuff |
| 23:03:08 | noiddz | oz is orders of magnitude nicer than sharp rom |
| 23:03:13 | Rixster | err. how do you do an "esc" in vi so I can get out of editing mode ? |
| 23:03:24 | noiddz | this time i'm not going to swap back |
| 23:03:26 | kergoth | noiddz: do express your gratitude to the opie folks in #opie :) |
| 23:03:27 | endr | Rixster: cancel button |
| 23:03:36 | noiddz | okie |
| 23:03:36 | Rixster | endr: thanks |
| 23:03:52 | endr | Rixster: np |
| 23:03:52 | kergoth | is just a distribution guy, the opie guys do most of the work |
| 23:04:15 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 23:04:25 | kergoth | tis true |
| 23:04:32 | kergoth | though distro shit takes a surprising amount of time |
| 23:04:58 | cerezu | kergoth: is the new initrd up yet, or how long? |
| 23:05:14 | kergoth | cerezu: its uploading now, damn capped cable upstream |
| 23:05:19 | kergoth | cerezu: bout 5-10 mins |
| 23:05:34 | cerezu | kergoth: ok cool |
| 23:06:00 | noiddz | damn this is sweet |
| 23:06:07 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:06:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:06:10 | noiddz | oh.. rotation time! |
| 23:06:12 | cerezu | kergoth: capped cable upstream? heh. I can go 500k/sec |
| 23:06:17 | cerezu | kergoth: upstream, heh |
| 23:06:18 | Dessimat0r | is this a stable, or not? |
| 23:06:32 | kergoth | cerezu: i can do 30-45 k/s up, thats it |
| 23:06:33 | endr | Dessimat0r: too deep a question |
| 23:06:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:06:36 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:06:38 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:06:39 | cerezu | kergoth: and you have a cable modem? |
| 23:06:41 | kergoth | noiddz: you notice you can rotate each app seperately? |
| 23:06:50 | kergoth | cerezu: yeah. down 1.2mb, but up is not much |
| 23:06:53 | noiddz | ah... 90' rotation |
| 23:06:55 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 23:07:01 | endr | kergoth: tis truly cool...but begs the question, why would you want to? |
| 23:07:03 | kergoth | noiddz: tap + hold on an app icon, you can set per app rotation now |
| 23:07:08 | kergoth | endr: dunno |
| 23:07:09 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:07:12 | noiddz | oh! |
| 23:07:15 | endr | knows: "Because I can." |
| 23:07:17 | Dessimat0r | loads of reasons - amiga emulator ;) |
| 23:07:20 | Dessimat0r | if it gets ported |
| 23:07:24 | endr | ahhh |
| 23:07:28 | Dessimat0r | i mean, not ported |
| 23:07:29 | cerezu | kergoth: ouch, on dslreports I have a good record, I got 600k/up and like 2.6mb/down it was nice. |
| 23:07:45 | Dessimat0r | but allowed to run properly in opie? |
| 23:07:47 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:08:22 | noiddz | damn, that rocks |
| 23:10:01 | kergoth | endr: actually, i could see rotating konq/e, but nothing else |
| 23:10:07 | kergoth | endr: for browsing the web |
| 23:10:18 | noidd | rotating shell |
| 23:10:28 | noidd | gives you 76 cols by 32 rows |
| 23:10:28 | endr | kergoth: aha, so you can see really wide pages? Hmm, yes... |
| 23:10:32 | cerezu | kergoth: this initrd includes the recent bugs that TheMasterMind1 found, or some unrelated bugs/fixes? |
| 23:11:05 | endr | noidd: yes that is a good point...but can't see why that would be useful... |
| 23:11:05 | cerezu | kergoth: includes recent bug (as in fixes) hehe. |
| 23:11:19 | kergoth | cerezu: ? |
| 23:11:28 | cerezu | kergoth: with f2sck and what not? |
| 23:11:29 | endr | kergoth: what pages are really wide, tho (besides goatse.cx)? |
| 23:11:38 | kergoth | cerezu: oh, it may fix that or it may not. i havent tested. |
| 23:11:43 | noidd | endr: there are some apps that require min 80 cols |
| 23:11:45 | cerezu | kergoth: ok. |
| 23:11:47 | noidd | for example sniffit |
| 23:12:00 | endr | noidd: aha. |
| 23:12:01 | kergoth | noidd: true. top looks best wide too |
| 23:12:01 | noidd | but saying that ... I actually ported sniffit and just patched that check out |
| 23:12:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:12:15 | noidd | and altered the forms left padding |
| 23:12:17 | chouimat | kergoth: can i install qpe-base on OZ? |
| 23:12:25 | noidd | so it actually works pretty nice |
| 23:12:28 | noidd | ly |
| 23:12:44 | kergoth | chouimat: you dont need to |
| 23:12:52 | kergoth | chouimat: opie-base Provides qpe-base |
| 23:13:02 | kergoth | chouimat: but, some packages stupidly Depend on qpe-base (1.5.0) specifically |
| 23:13:11 | kergoth | chouimat: complain to those package maintainers and use -force-depends in those cases |
| 23:13:17 | chouimat | kergoth: thanks |
| 23:13:23 | noidd | kergoth: yeah - I have force depend for those :p0 |
| 23:13:39 | kergoth | noidd: be sure to report them to the maintainers, or we'll never get rid of the problem :) |
| 23:13:45 | noidd | hehhe |
| 23:14:02 | cerezu | kergoth: I'll eventually come out of the Z newbie state :) hehe.. |
| 23:14:10 | darienm | just now |
| 23:14:15 | darienm | grr, ignore. |
| 23:15:34 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 23:15:36 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid X |
| 23:15:38 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks laptop |
| 23:15:58 | noidd | hehe |
| 23:16:19 | kergoth | okay all, prerelease updated yet again, only package updated is oz-base |
| 23:16:26 | | kergoth, I didn't have anything matching 'oz prerease' |
| 23:16:26 | kergoth | ibot forget oz prerease |
| 23:16:28 | | kergoth: I forgot oz prerelease |
| 23:16:28 | kergoth | ibot forget oz prerelease |
| 23:16:46 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 23:16:46 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021011_1801/ |
| 23:16:48 | cerezu | kergoth, is it http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable/20021011_1801/? |
| 23:16:51 | cerezu | hehe, k |
| 23:16:51 | kergoth | yup |
| 23:17:13 | darienm | why /? |
| 23:17:16 | darienm | why not just / |
| 23:17:18 | Dessimat0r | this is the updated version? ;) |
| 23:17:21 | Dessimat0r | i will flash now |
| 23:17:28 | kergoth | darienm: ? |
| 23:17:28 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm: /? is cooler |
| 23:17:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:17:41 | kergoth | darienm: because he was asking a question? |
| 23:17:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:17:49 | Dessimat0r | oh, i see |
| 23:17:53 | darienm | why set the URL to /? |
| 23:17:54 | Dessimat0r | it is ;) |
| 23:17:57 | TheMasterMind1 | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/unstable/20021011_1801/?oz_is_the_coolest=1 |
| 23:17:59 | cerezu | kergoth: hehe, funny.. |
| 23:17:59 | kergoth | darienm: it isnt. |
| 23:18:15 | | i think oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021011_1801/ |
| 23:18:15 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 23:18:16 | darienm | goes away |
| 23:18:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:18:26 | cerezu | kergoth: same bootflag.txt? |
| 23:18:38 | kergoth | cerezu: yep. |
| 23:18:45 | cerezu | kergoth: k, what is that really for anyway? |
| 23:18:57 | kergoth | bootflag.txt is just a text file to pass a hardcoded default runlevel to the kernel |
| 23:19:03 | cerezu | oh okay. |
| 23:19:05 | kergoth | the one OZ uses contains an intentionally *invalid* value |
| 23:19:06 | cerezu | when flashing? |
| 23:19:14 | kergoth | which makes it ignore it and not hardcode it at all |
| 23:19:19 | cerezu | oh. |
| 23:19:24 | kergoth | then the default runlevel is set in inittab the way it should be on a unix system |
| 23:19:27 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:19:29 | TheMasterMind1 | prays for a new zaurus kernel |
| 23:19:30 | kergoth | yep, when flashing |
| 23:19:34 | Dessimat0r | if you put a ?! on the end of URLs, it can bypass some company download restricters... |
| 23:19:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont pray, work on it :) |
| 23:19:47 | TheMasterMind1 | please oh great kernel gods, email me a new kernel |
| 23:19:51 | Rixster | OK. I think I gotta way which isn't too much of a hack around the two shutdowns =reset problem |
| 23:19:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: slacker |
| 23:19:54 | chouimat | kergoth: bye |
| 23:19:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 23:20:03 | kergoth | chouimat: bye chouimat, have a good weekend |
| 23:20:05 | ljp | you need to chant great googli-moogli |
| 23:20:08 | cerezu | please oh great linus torvalds, create kernel version 193.4.4.2 :) |
| 23:20:13 | cerezu | haha |
| 23:20:14 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:20:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: where is the stuff you've done so far on 2.4.19 |
| 23:20:22 | chouimat | See you Monday all |
| 23:20:26 | cerezu | later chouimat |
| 23:20:27 | chouimat | or Tuesday :) |
| 23:20:57 | Dessimat0r | Linus disagrees against open-source ;) |
| 23:21:20 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: wtf are you talking about? |
| 23:21:20 | TheMasterMind1 | disagree...against... |
| 23:21:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:21:25 | TheMasterMind1 | that doesn't make sense |
| 23:21:32 | TheMasterMind1 | double negative |
| 23:21:33 | kergoth | smacks Dessimat0r with a 2x4 |
| 23:21:35 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:21:44 | Dessimat0r | disagrees about open source then |
| 23:21:45 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:21:48 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: ? |
| 23:21:51 | kergoth | smacks Dessimat0r with a 2x4 again |
| 23:22:15 | oGMo | kergoth: do that a few more times and he'll make sense, if the first time was any indication |
| 23:22:16 | Dessimat0r | it was on /., he won't use open-source tools |
| 23:22:19 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:22:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:22:28 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: ? |
| 23:22:37 | Dessimat0r | Slashdot!1 |
| 23:22:38 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:22:41 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: um, i think whoever said that is full of shit. |
| 23:22:46 | Rixster | not BK source repository ? |
| 23:22:48 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: probably just the bitkeeper madness |
| 23:22:56 | oGMo | i don't see anything about that |
| 23:22:58 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: he uses bk because its the right tool for the job, regardless of license. |
| 23:23:01 | kergoth | same reason I do |
| 23:23:05 | Dessimat0r | Hmm.. I think he said it in an interview, maybe |
| 23:23:21 | Dessimat0r | although it was brought up during the Bitkeeper crap |
| 23:23:32 | Rixster | The thing that made the "press" was the if you use the /free/ version of BK, you can't use it to develop a competitor to BK |
| 23:23:46 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:23:58 | Dessimat0r | rofl ;) |
| 23:24:03 | Rixster | if you pay for it, they don't care ! |
| 23:24:11 | oGMo | that's almost silly |
| 23:24:15 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 23:24:21 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:24:23 | Rixster | Quite fair though really |
| 23:24:25 | kergoth | they're a commercial enterprise |
| 23:24:25 | oGMo | just not really |
| 23:24:30 | oGMo | kergoth: exactly |
| 23:24:31 | kergoth | they dont *have* to give us a free license |
| 23:24:34 | kergoth | they're not obligated to |
| 23:24:37 | kergoth | they decide the terms |
| 23:24:37 | Dessimat0r | its kinda... reputation damaging |
| 23:24:42 | kergoth | its just the way business works |
| 23:24:48 | kergoth | this is capitalism friends, get used to it |
| 23:24:49 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:24:51 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:25:02 | Rixster | >-) |
| 23:25:07 | oGMo | otoh, it doesn't _really_ do anything besides save a little face if someone does decide to develop a competitor |
| 23:25:13 | Dessimat0r | You know, communism might not be so bad after all ;) |
| 23:25:22 | oGMo | communism is stupid |
| 23:25:25 | kergoth | smacks Dessimat0r with another 2x4, this one has a nail |
| 23:25:27 | kergoth | :P |
| 23:25:30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: where is the stuff you've done so far on 2.4.19 |
| 23:25:34 | Dessimat0r | Hey, Star Trek is communism ;) |
| 23:25:39 | Rixster | Oh crikey. Back to politics... |
| 23:25:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:25:42 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:25:44 | TheMasterMind1 | star trex is communism? |
| 23:25:44 | oGMo | Dessimat0r: no, it's not |
| 23:25:46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:25:48 | Dessimat0r | if you think about it.. |
| 23:25:48 | cerezu | kergoth: flashing with the new version now. |
| 23:25:48 | TheMasterMind1 | sex is good. |
| 23:25:54 | TheMasterMind1 | there's my statement of the day |
| 23:25:56 | Dessimat0r | nobody pays for stuff |
| 23:25:59 | oGMo | DOWNLOADING MP3'S IS COMMUNISM |
| 23:26:00 | oGMo | ;) |
| 23:26:10 | cerezu | downloading mp3's is the american way |
| 23:26:11 | cerezu | hehe |
| 23:26:17 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:26:19 | kergoth | cerezu: here here |
| 23:26:21 | kergoth | course |
| 23:26:25 | kergoth | i end up buying 90% of the cds anyway |
| 23:26:29 | kergoth | cause i gotta give em credit |
| 23:26:30 | oGMo | Dessimat0r: you obviously have no idea what communism actually entails, go read |
| 23:26:30 | cerezu | if downloading mp3's is the american way and downloading mp3's is communism, then communism is the american way? |
| 23:26:36 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:26:53 | Dessimat0r | it involves the governent giving an equal amount of everything to everyone |
| 23:27:03 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: um, that sounds more like socialism |
| 23:27:06 | Dessimat0r | oh |
| 23:27:07 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:27:09 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: you need to read |
| 23:27:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:27:13 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:27:16 | Rixster | No, that's a dumb argument ( oGMo ) |
| 23:27:23 | cerezu | both of you need to edumacate yourselves, haha.. |
| 23:27:26 | oGMo | cerezu: if a cow is living, and a cow is taking a crap, is living taking a crap/ |
| 23:27:31 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 23:27:37 | kergoth | oGMo: hehe. i love logic. i really do. |
| 23:27:40 | Rixster | if Bill Gates is stupid and George Bush is stupid... does that mean Bill = George ? |
| 23:27:41 | oGMo | kergoth: :) |
| 23:27:42 | cerezu | oGMo: correct answer. |
| 23:27:44 | kergoth | oGMo: especially completely *wrong* logic |
| 23:27:51 | kergoth | its fun |
| 23:27:54 | oGMo | yeah |
| 23:28:02 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 23:28:03 | TheMasterMind1 | good one Rixster |
| 23:28:07 | kergoth | if all lawyers have cats, and bob is a cat, does that mean his owner is a lawyer? |
| 23:28:08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: where is the stuff you've done so far on 2.4.19 |
| 23:28:09 | oGMo | you can do some really cool stuff if you don't care about valid logic |
| 23:28:10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:28:10 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:28:17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hell if i know. |
| 23:28:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: probably on a dead hard drive :) |
| 23:28:30 | cerezu | if mathematics is tight and computer science is tight then !(dancing lessons must be tight)!!! hah, I used the logical not operator |
| 23:28:33 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 23:28:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'll dig back into it after this release. we'll see where things stand |
| 23:28:35 | TheMasterMind1 | you fucker |
| 23:28:40 | TheMasterMind1 | is it in a bk tree somewhere? |
| 23:28:47 | Rixster | how does anybody get a chance to code? |
| 23:28:52 | TheMasterMind1 | if its on the dead hdd i'll have to kick your ass |
| 23:28:53 | oGMo | if all cats purr, and bob is a cat, then how old is your grandma? |
| 23:28:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: probably the collie-2.4 tree, but i dont fucking remember |
| 23:29:03 | kergoth | oGMo: 83!!@#% |
| 23:29:08 | kergoth | is good |
| 23:29:09 | oGMo | kergoth: CORRECR |
| 23:29:12 | smee|h | hey |
| 23:29:13 | kergoth | wo00t |
| 23:29:46 | Dessimat0r | time to flash again ;) |
| 23:30:06 | kergoth | okay, i added md5sums to the prerelease areas |
| 23:30:20 | TheMasterMind1 | oooh yea |
| 23:30:23 | TheMasterMind1 | md5sums |
| 23:30:35 | Rixster | OK. Kergoth how about this for solving my double reboot problem |
| 23:30:38 | Rixster | ready ? |
| 23:30:40 | cerezu | kergoth: I flashed right, but it's not turning on when it should be |
| 23:30:54 | kergoth | cerezu: probably corrupt files |
| 23:31:06 | kergoth | cerezu: and you have fat16 for a filesystem on the card? have you flashed things before? |
| 23:31:12 | cerezu | kergoth: yeah |
| 23:31:33 | kergoth | cerezu: try holding cancel for a few seconds |
| 23:32:07 | cerezu | kergoth: not working. |
| 23:32:19 | oGMo | cerezu: you did set the switch back to normal operation right? |
| 23:32:22 | cerezu | kergoth: try reflashing ya think? |
| 23:32:28 | kergoth | cerezu: try reflashing. |
| 23:32:29 | cerezu | oGMo: yeah, I did |
| 23:32:31 | oGMo | k |
| 23:32:44 | TheMasterMind1 | Rixster: blabber |
| 23:32:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot tell Rixster about reboot |
| 23:33:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot tell Rixster about rebooting |
| 23:33:07 | Rixster | Well, it's all script based |
| 23:33:54 | Rixster | how did you do that ? |
| 23:34:09 | | hmmm... rebooting is dangerous unless you suspend first: rebooting OZ (presumably Sharp ROM as well) without suspending first causes 1) LCD display not to degrade all the way after power off; 2) different LED combos to come on (sometimes green email LED, sometimes both green & yellow LED); and 3) necessity of battery removal OR ELSE full reset in order to restore Z's ability to start/boot an OS. |
| 23:34:09 | Rixster | ibot tell Rixster about rebooting |
| 23:35:02 | Rixster | There's a few things you can add in the rc.d area to prevent a reboot if you haven't suspended |
| 23:35:07 | Dessimat0r | which is why 64-0 0wnz ;) |
| 23:35:12 | Dessimat0r | all info on CF |
| 23:35:23 | Dessimat0r | hard reset whenever you want |
| 23:35:24 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:35:38 | cerezu | kergoth: I hope this works, or I will be forced to buy a CF reader, heh. :) |
| 23:35:56 | Rixster | ibot help |
| 23:36:20 | TheMasterMind1 | Rixster: we don't want it to do that.. |
| 23:36:31 | TheMasterMind1 | we want to fix the issue |
| 23:36:38 | TheMasterMind1 | but you're right, that's probably the best fix for now |
| 23:36:41 | TheMasterMind1 | what rc.d stuff would you add |
| 23:37:30 | cerezu | TheMasterMind1: if you don't flash correctly, you can always reflash right? |
| 23:37:31 | Rixster | I'll do this over a few lines ... ok. in the startup stuff (rc.local maybe?) you move apm to apm.orig ( for example . |
| 23:37:41 | TheMasterMind1 | cerezu: yep |
| 23:37:52 | TheMasterMind1 | rc.local? |
| 23:37:58 | TheMasterMind1 | this isn't redhat |
| 23:38:01 | Rixster | ). Then you create a flag/ file whatever you wanna call it called "notrebooted" yet |
| 23:38:03 | TheMasterMind1 | rc.local is evil |
| 23:38:11 | Rixster | OK - that's why I said wherever |
| 23:38:13 | kergoth | Rixster: i'll look into it |
| 23:38:18 | kergoth | Rixster: email kergoth@handhelds.org please |
| 23:38:21 | kergoth | Rixster: so i dont forget :) |
| 23:38:40 | Rixster | apm (the wrapper) removes the file notrebooted and replaces itself with the original apm |
| 23:38:46 | Rixster | and calls itself with the same arguments |
| 23:38:53 | cerezu | kergoth: shit, it's not working |
| 23:39:24 | Rixster | then, in the init.d area for shutting down |
| 23:39:25 | kergoth | cerezu: probably a corrupt initrd.bin, someone ran into exactly that problem earlier |
| 23:39:32 | Rixster | you put (just before the killall -15 ) |
| 23:39:34 | kergoth | Rixster: yes, i understand the logic |
| 23:39:38 | kergoth | Rixster: and i understand the implementation |
| 23:39:39 | cerezu | kergoth: sigh.. so what can I do? |
| 23:39:39 | Rixster | ok |
| 23:39:40 | Rixster | sorry |
| 23:39:41 | kergoth | Rixster: just email me |
| 23:39:45 | kergoth | Rixster: so i dont forget to do it |
| 23:39:47 | kergoth | Rixster: :) |
| 23:39:54 | Rixster | Got carried away |
| 23:40:51 | | Atomic >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=485 |
| 23:40:52 | | backgammon >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=486 |
| 23:40:53 | | BilliardZ >> http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=16 |
| 23:40:54 | | 3 of 10 shown. See all at http://zaurii.com/zfi/index.phtml?p=r&r=game |
| 23:40:54 | ivan | ibot: search zfi for game |
| 23:41:00 | ivan | eh |
| 23:42:22 | noiddz | tee hee |
| 23:42:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:42:31 | kergoth | noiddz: still having fun? |
| 23:42:35 | noiddz | yah |
| 23:42:41 | cerezu | kergoth: i suppose so, what can I do to fix it? |
| 23:42:48 | noiddz | I have done this using the shap rom too |
| 23:42:55 | Dessimat0r | why the hell is 'game of life' made for everything |
| 23:43:03 | Dessimat0r | its not even a game |
| 23:43:18 | noiddz | the reason i'm so enamoured of it is because i'm allowed to change the default |
| 23:43:18 | Dessimat0r | its a useless piece of crap lol |
| 23:43:23 | kergoth | noiddz: hehe |
| 23:43:32 | noiddz | which means it becomes usable |
| 23:43:40 | noiddz | and more importantly |
| 23:43:45 | noiddz | PURPLE! |
| 23:43:49 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:44:04 | cerezu | kergoth: is there anything I can do to fix the problem? |
| 23:44:06 | noiddz | purple > all |
| 23:44:27 | kergoth | cerezu: depends on what caused it |
| 23:44:42 | kergoth | cerezu: first thing, pop out the battery. hit full reset. wait 10 minutes. hit full reset again, reinsert. try turning it on |
| 23:44:50 | kergoth | cerezu: if that fails, you'll likely need a CF reader to recover |
| 23:44:59 | Dessimat0r | perhaps the reboot problem is caused by different components within the Z |
| 23:45:08 | Dessimat0r | alight variations |
| 23:45:11 | Dessimat0r | slight |
| 23:45:11 | cerezu | kergoth: hrm.. what will that do? |
| 23:45:14 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: hard to say |
| 23:45:17 | cerezu | kergoth: the battery thing |
| 23:45:20 | kergoth | cerezu: drain the internal battery |
| 23:45:32 | kergoth | cerezu: and wipe your ramdisk, but its wiped already |
| 23:45:41 | kergoth | cerezu: sometimes it takes that to get the Z to behave itself again |
| 23:45:42 | Rixster | email sent |
| 23:45:45 | Rixster | Night all |
| 23:45:46 | kergoth | Rixster: thanks |
| 23:45:48 | kergoth | ttyl |
| 23:45:52 | cerezu | kergoth: ok, has something like this happen to you before? |
| 23:46:09 | kergoth | cerezu: sometime similar, yes |
| 23:46:22 | kergoth | cerezu: ive flashed my Z hundreds of times now, bound to get into weird states |
| 23:47:09 | kergoth`out | bbl, going home |
| 23:47:21 | noiddz | did you want more bugs btw kergoth? |
| 23:47:36 | Dessimat0r | kergoth, you might need to open it up and maybe solder something on which will allow you to replace it quickly with a different one ;) |
| 23:47:36 | TheMasterMind1 | noiddz: tell me em |
| 23:47:43 | noiddz | okie |
| 23:48:19 | noiddz | pcmcia problem... ejecting card does not unmount filesystem. even a cardctl eject |
| 23:48:26 | | TheMasterMind1 is, like, the master at the mind. or a 15 year old oz developer or a l33t haxxor |
| 23:48:26 | _ibz | ibot TheMasterMind1 |
| 23:48:38 | _ibz | FIFTEEN??? |
| 23:48:44 | TheMasterMind1 | almost 16 :) |
| 23:48:53 | _ibz | sheesh... |
| 23:48:54 | noiddz | 2, after actually logging in.. the welcome to opie is strange |
| 23:48:54 | TheMasterMind1 | noiddz: hmm, you sure you're not using the cf/sd |
| 23:49:06 | TheMasterMind1 | its probably busy |
| 23:49:08 | noiddz | yes, |
| 23:49:12 | noiddz | im sure |
| 23:49:13 | TheMasterMind1 | in a terminal or application |
| 23:49:17 | TheMasterMind1 | can you umount it in term |
| 23:49:18 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 23:49:29 | noiddz | because I can just umount it in term |
| 23:49:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:49:51 | TheMasterMind1 | the weird gray screen after you login that's messed up? |
| 23:50:01 | noiddz | dependancies on first boot.. buut he knows bout that already |
| 23:50:20 | TheMasterMind1 | yea that should be fixed now |
| 23:50:24 | TheMasterMind1 | there's yet another initrd.bin out |
| 23:50:31 | noiddz | logging in as any new user doesnt work at all... guessing its inimplemented |
| 23:50:50 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 23:50:55 | TheMasterMind1 | add a user called opie |
| 23:51:02 | TheMasterMind1 | and add it to groups like audio, video etc etc |
| 23:51:06 | TheMasterMind1 | then try loggin in as opie |
| 23:51:16 | TheMasterMind1 | the functionality was added but not tested |
| 23:51:32 | hobbs | anyone here who uses opie-nethack 3.4.0 ? |
| 23:51:36 | TheMasterMind1 | if the user is in the right groups, they should be able to start/use opie |
| 23:51:38 | noiddz | this is a silly trivial things.. completely unimportnt |
| 23:51:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but thats all there really is to fix |
| 23:52:03 | TheMasterMind1 | the big stuff all works mostly |
| 23:52:06 | noiddz | but.. there is a short animation at the start of boot |
| 23:52:13 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 23:52:26 | noiddz | the backlight comes on when it finishes |
| 23:52:38 | noiddz | which means you miss it |
| 23:52:40 | TheMasterMind1 | noiddz: yep, known and being worked on |
| 23:52:52 | TheMasterMind1 | we fixed it but never tested |
| 23:52:55 | TheMasterMind1 | then lost the fix |
| 23:52:58 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:52:59 | noiddz | hehe |
| 23:53:13 | noiddz | version control > all |
| 23:53:13 | Dessimat0r | due to kergoth's HD being wiped? |
| 23:53:19 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:53:23 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:53:27 | Dessimat0r | damn it |
| 23:53:44 | noiddz | silly question.. probaby a kernel question |
| 23:53:48 | hobbs | I'm telling you, a crash every time I enter the gnomish mines is more important than all of this. :) |
| 23:53:55 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:54:23 | noiddz | but my Z seems to go from fully charged to almost dead... are there only 2 states? |
| 23:54:47 | hobbs | noiddz: only 3. And it's really annoying. (4 if you count "won't even turn on") |
| 23:54:53 | noiddz | hobbs. nagafens lair? |
| 23:55:11 | TheMasterMind1 | noiddz: i think its 4 status levels |
| 23:55:15 | TheMasterMind1 | its cuz of the old shitty kernel |
| 23:55:19 | hobbs | noiddz: nethack. |
| 23:55:25 | noiddz | ok |
| 23:56:04 | Dessimat0r | lol, it sounds so old, when was the kernal actually created? (the one used in OZ now) |
| 23:56:08 | Dessimat0r | kernel ;) |
| 23:57:13 | TheMasterMind1 | we're using 2.4.6 |
| 23:57:16 | TheMasterMind1 | latest is 2.4.19 |
| 23:57:23 | hobbs | okay, it's the same one? |
| 23:57:30 | hobbs | about July 2001, then. :) |
| 23:57:43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:57:45 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds right |
| 23:57:45 | Dessimat0r | not as old as I had thought ;) |
| 23:57:56 | Dessimat0r | I thought it would be like 1998 |
| 23:57:56 | TheMasterMind1 | but still old enough to be a shitty |
| 23:57:58 | noiddz | hmmm |
| 23:58:06 | hobbs | (that's for rmk2, not for vanilla) |
| 23:58:17 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:58:29 | jbardin | does the battery status reader only output 4 levels? |
| 23:58:30 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, hobbs knows what he's talking about |
| 23:58:40 | TheMasterMind1 | jbardin: <hobbs> noiddz: only 3. And it's really annoying. (4 if you count "won't even turn on") |
| 23:58:57 | ljp | actually thats in the kernel too |
| 23:59:20 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, battery status is pretty borked. |
| 23:59:29 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks opie and 2.4.6 |
| 23:59:44 | noiddz | hmmm |
| 23:59:47 | TheMasterMind1 | almost makes me wish i had gotten an ipaq |
| 23:59:48 | hobbs | TheMasterMind1: is that a problem with the hardware status meter, or just software stupidity? |
| 23:59:50 | TheMasterMind1 | almost, but not |
| 23:59:56 | TheMasterMind1 | hobbs: its the kernel |
| 23:59:56 | noiddz | not sure what to make of that |
