| 00:00:05 | hash | i just upgraded my Z, and now the stylus doesnt work |
| 00:00:11 | hash | hard booting doesnt help |
| 00:01:01 | nadav | hash: what did you upgrade? |
| 00:01:12 | hash | OZ3 feed |
| 00:01:17 | nadav | ah |
| 00:01:21 | nadav | did you upgrade oz-base? |
| 00:01:28 | hash | i dont remember |
| 00:01:33 | hash | i just type upgrade |
| 00:01:42 | nadav | same thing happened to me about an hour ago |
| 00:01:49 | hash | what did you do? |
| 00:01:49 | nadav | upgraded oz-base, stylus stopped working |
| 00:02:00 | nadav | i decided i'm too tired for it and put it away :P |
| 00:02:05 | hash | now i cant even ssh it |
| 00:02:42 | ZhEN | ahhhhH! |
| 00:02:47 | Dessimat0r | ? |
| 00:03:03 | ZhEN | the last sharp image borked the bootloader, and now my Z is really dead |
| 00:03:20 | Dessimat0r | so just get a compactflash reader |
| 00:03:30 | Dessimat0r | and put zImage.bin on it |
| 00:03:35 | nadav | uh |
| 00:03:36 | Dessimat0r | or whatever |
| 00:03:37 | nadav | zImage.bin? |
| 00:03:39 | nadav | excuse me? |
| 00:03:39 | nadav | heh |
| 00:03:39 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:03:42 | nadav | slaps |
| 00:03:43 | Dessimat0r | oops :D |
| 00:03:46 | nadav | yes. |
| 00:03:52 | Dessimat0r | zImage on its own |
| 00:03:54 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 00:03:56 | ZhEN | that wont help, the flash process from sharp odes the whole thing |
| 00:04:00 | ZhEN | bootloader included |
| 00:04:02 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:04:14 | | chayim was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: chouimat : when you get them, mind sending 'em to me. I'll ipkg them and shove 'em @ gnupower [Thu Oct 3 19:22:10 2002] |
| 00:04:14 | chouimat|Alias | ibot seen chayim |
| 00:04:15 | ZhEN | yeah, i know, and that is what i was trying to do (load OZ), kergoth and i were working on it |
| 00:04:35 | ZhEN | ARG |
| 00:04:51 | ZhEN | now i have to take it to a service center, or send it back to sharp :-/ |
| 00:05:12 | Dessimat0r | gerk |
| 00:05:22 | Dessimat0r | so the flashing process will not work if your ROM is fucked? |
| 00:05:31 | ZhEN | Dessimat0r: bingo |
| 00:05:35 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:05:37 | ZhEN | i fucking hate sharp |
| 00:05:40 | ZhEN | heh |
| 00:05:41 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:05:56 | ZhEN | i swear, when i get it this time, i am just going to leave it alone |
| 00:06:00 | Dessimat0r | they should have a seperate chip, but instead they go and integrate it into the ROM |
| 00:06:01 | nadav | heh |
| 00:06:02 | ZhEN | actually, probably not, but hey |
| 00:06:09 | ZhEN | Dessimat0r: i know, it is retarded |
| 00:06:36 | Dessimat0r | how did you bork it up anyway ;) |
| 00:06:39 | ZhEN | i am half tempted to send this back to amazon and get a toshiba e-310 or something |
| 00:06:42 | Dessimat0r | remove the power supply? |
| 00:06:51 | ZhEN | Dessimat0r: long story ;-) OZ troubleshooting |
| 00:06:52 | Dessimat0r | ZheN - do not |
| 00:06:58 | hash | so anyone know whats going on with opie-base and the stylus? |
| 00:07:07 | Dessimat0r | dont get a different one than the zaurus ;) |
| 00:07:15 | Dessimat0r | the zaurus is being continaully improved |
| 00:07:26 | Dessimat0r | do you see any improvments for windows ce or whatever? |
| 00:07:28 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:07:28 | ZhEN | Dessimat0r: i keep breaking this damn thing tho, and the power supply wont work beacuse the rom is fucked |
| 00:07:45 | ZhEN | i know, and i am a linux/OS zealot, but erg |
| 00:07:59 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:07:59 | ZhEN | i cannot use this damn thing if it keeps breaking on inane things like flashing |
| 00:08:10 | ZhEN | and i know the guy who coded a lot of the e310 ;-) |
| 00:08:14 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 00:08:19 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 00:08:24 | hash | 'coded' the e310? |
| 00:08:30 | hash | what does that mean? |
| 00:08:33 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 00:08:34 | ZhEN | yeah, Jeff Sutherland |
| 00:08:40 | ZhEN | wrote a lot of the code for the e310 |
| 00:08:43 | Dessimat0r | contributed to the source |
| 00:08:46 | ZhEN | like net drivers and the such |
| 00:08:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:09:02 | TheMasterMind1 | linux on the e310 wouldn't be half bad |
| 00:09:03 | hash | you mean you can run linux on the e310? |
| 00:09:05 | TheMasterMind1 | but no keyboard :\ |
| 00:09:12 | ZhEN | Jeff would prolly know ;-) |
| 00:09:22 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: yeah, but seriously, this is so annoying |
| 00:09:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: what exactly is wrong? |
| 00:09:35 | ZhEN | i am in college, and do not have time to mess w/ sending back the Z |
| 00:09:55 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: sharp rom 2.38 did not image correctly, and it borked the bootloader |
| 00:09:56 | hash | what could you have done that fried the bootloader? |
| 00:09:59 | br33zy | ZhEN, then just send it to me :-) |
| 00:10:05 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: so now there is no way that i can rflash it |
| 00:10:11 | ZhEN | br33zy: heh, no. ;-) |
| 00:10:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 00:10:20 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf did you flash 2.38 |
| 00:10:25 | TheMasterMind1 | oz doesn't touch the bootloader |
| 00:10:28 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid sharp does |
| 00:10:34 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: to try and get oz working, oz would not load |
| 00:10:42 | TheMasterMind1 | you should have reflashed oz then |
| 00:10:42 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: i know, kergoth and i were working on it |
| 00:10:48 | TheMasterMind1 | why'd you do sharp rom |
| 00:10:53 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: no, OZ was not loading either |
| 00:11:08 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: troubleshooting |
| 00:11:20 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: load just the OZ kernel and see if that worked |
| 00:11:24 | hash | so anyone else having trouble with the stylus? |
| 00:11:46 | ZhEN | does anyone know if they can fix this @ a retailer? |
| 00:11:54 | ZhEN | so i dont have to send it back? |
| 00:22:15 | hash | so... stylus anyone? |
| 00:22:36 | TheMasterMind1 | hash: did you upgrade from feed? |
| 00:22:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: i think so.. you can call techsupport |
| 00:23:11 | hash | TheMasterMind1: yup |
| 00:26:44 | hash | TheMasterMind1: any suggestions? |
| 00:27:19 | Dessimat0r | how the hell did you mess it up when flashing it? ;) |
| 00:27:29 | Dessimat0r | did you take the power out? |
| 00:27:42 | Dessimat0r | faulty card? |
| 00:28:01 | hash | ah shit |
| 00:28:06 | hash | my ipaq is acting up now |
| 00:28:11 | hash | stylus doesnt work |
| 00:28:13 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:28:20 | Dessimat0r | i broke 4 CD drives in one day! |
| 00:28:21 | hash | usb networking only works the first time |
| 00:28:29 | Dessimat0r | I made my own power splitter for my pc |
| 00:28:34 | hash | from the second time it doesnt work |
| 00:28:45 | Dessimat0r | i have also broken a GF4 |
| 00:28:53 | Dessimat0r | bought a new one |
| 00:29:05 | Dessimat0r | i was applying ram sinks |
| 00:29:08 | hash | holy... |
| 00:29:12 | Dessimat0r | then... i kinda ripped one off |
| 00:29:17 | hash | i open terminal |
| 00:29:21 | hash | and i dont get any prompt |
| 00:29:32 | hash | the current feed really screws you up |
| 00:29:36 | hash | might just reflash |
| 00:29:50 | Dessimat0r | good idea.. ;) |
| 00:30:10 | hash | nobody else has this problem after updating? |
| 00:30:26 | nadav | hash: told you i did. |
| 00:30:35 | hash | yup... so everyone? |
| 00:31:04 | nadav | probably not many people updated using that feed yet |
| 00:32:16 | hash | yeah... i'll ask here first before updating later |
| 00:38:39 | ZhEN | is away: work |
| 01:05:40 | TheMasterMind1 | important lesson of the day: don't play with surgical blades |
| 01:08:31 | chouimat|Alias | TheMasterMind1: I tought it was the look too much the biker girlfriend |
| 01:10:53 | djk-hw | gee its quite in here tonight |
| 01:11:27 | prpplague | mdz: evening |
| 01:11:42 | prpplague | mdz: you ever upgrade to the latest cvs for tiny-x |
| 01:12:34 | mdz | prpplague: no, I have not had time to touch it |
| 01:12:48 | mdz | prpplague: and since the current stuff works, I would have more important stuff to work on if I had time to work on zaurus stuff :-) |
| 01:13:59 | prpplague | mdz: same her |
| 01:14:00 | prpplague | e |
| 01:14:14 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 01:14:40 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzzz: later |
| 01:14:53 | chouimat|Zzzzz | prpplague: what new? |
| 01:15:45 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzzz: not a thing, you coding |
| 01:16:03 | chouimat|Zzzzz | prpplague: trying to port glk to qt |
| 01:16:24 | chouimat|Zzzzz | and no I not misspelled |
| 01:16:38 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzzz: fun |
| 01:16:43 | prpplague | is not a qt fan |
| 01:17:06 | chouimat|Zzzzz | prpplague: want to port the newer 32bit inform interpreter to the Z |
| 01:17:15 | ljp | prpplague: why not? |
| 01:18:11 | prpplague | ljp: whole bunch of things, mainly i don't like the way it operates and the don't like the bloat |
| 01:18:43 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzzz: i got my hands full as it is |
| 01:20:01 | chouimat|Zzzzz | prpplague: I'm doing it |
| 01:20:23 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzzz: ohh |
| 01:21:19 | chouimat|Zzzzz | prpplague: but I think I will take sometime to do a plugin based text-adventure interpreter |
| 01:22:24 | Twiun | Woot! Got fonts rendering in fbAWT ;-) http://adorphuye.com/files/fbAWT.07oct02.png |
| 01:23:29 | chouimat|Zzzzz | Twiun: good boy! here a candy! |
| 01:23:41 | Twiun | barks happily! |
| 01:24:33 | chouimat|Zzzzz | I'm off |
| 01:24:34 | chouimat|Zzzzz | later all |
| 01:24:38 | Twiun | waves |
| 01:26:07 | ljp | dont let the door hit ya on the ass |
| 01:29:49 | Guest | hi |
| 01:29:52 | ljp | heh I always wanted to say that |
| 01:29:56 | ljp | hi guest |
| 01:37:20 | Twiun | Right, I'm off - g'night guys |
| 02:14:36 | | i think opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 02:14:36 | hash | ibot opie |
| 02:14:44 | | well, feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or at http://zfi.zaurii.com/ |
| 02:14:44 | hash | ibot: feeds |
| 02:16:31 | | well, feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ or http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 02:16:31 | hash | ibot feed |
| 02:17:05 | hash | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ <= fucked up |
| 02:17:27 | n28893504 | wow the z rocks |
| 02:17:36 | deevee | yep |
| 02:17:41 | treke|home | captain obvious has arrived |
| 02:17:46 | n28893504 | woohoo |
| 02:17:48 | treke|home | now where is no shit boy |
| 02:17:50 | n28893504 | bow down |
| 02:24:28 | hash | anyone know if opie.net.wox.org's feed works with OZ3? |
| 02:25:37 | hash | one cool thing about the usbdnet driver is that you can just turn it on in the cradle and it goes back on |
| 02:34:17 | n28893504 | anyone have any tkc apps they'd like to share? :d |
| 02:34:34 | treke|home | they are plenty cheap |
| 02:34:53 | n28893504 | I bought jabber |
| 02:35:44 | n28893504 | so you program with the z? |
| 02:36:01 | deevee | the tkc apps suck |
| 02:36:13 | deevee | cept maybe the video player |
| 02:36:14 | deevee | and ftp |
| 02:36:15 | n28893504 | huh? |
| 02:36:17 | deevee | thats about it |
| 02:36:37 | n28893504 | they look awesome and function great |
| 02:36:48 | deevee | they are big |
| 02:36:54 | n28893504 | what don't you like? |
| 02:36:55 | n28893504 | oh |
| 02:37:01 | deevee | dunno |
| 02:37:05 | deevee | i just dont like most them |
| 02:37:14 | treke|home | doesnt like their interfaces |
| 02:37:26 | treke|home | I'd much prefer menus over icons |
| 02:37:45 | n28893504 | well they look like win xp and I'm a mac person... |
| 02:38:14 | deevee | yea menus are good |
| 02:38:22 | deevee | some of the tkc apps you gota guess what each icon does |
| 02:38:45 | n28893504 | yeah that's a prob I was having |
| 02:40:10 | n28893504 | hmm well I better get to bed nice chatting bye all |
| 02:48:18 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8749.png |
| 02:48:58 | scanline | that clean8 font looks great in the terminal.. need to fix that clipping bug though |
| 02:51:16 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28652.png |
| 02:51:25 | scanline | still lots of terminal emulation bugs... |
| 02:52:15 | hardwire | that looks nice |
| 02:52:44 | scanline | It will be better once the buttons in the toolbar and panelbar can be themed |
| 02:52:57 | scanline | the black&white icons look very out of place, and the "f" button is squished |
| 02:53:31 | scanline | I just spent all evening rewriting some blitters to fix a small clipping bug :) |
| 02:54:16 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30948.png |
| 02:54:20 | scanline | that's the launcher menu so far |
| 02:54:28 | scanline | needs lotsa work |
| 03:04:04 | hash | pico? |
| 03:05:18 | deevee | nano > pico |
| 03:06:33 | scanline | ? |
| 03:06:38 | scanline | hash: that's picogui |
| 03:09:47 | hash | right |
| 03:09:53 | hash | just wondering why... |
| 03:09:58 | hash | can it do anything? |
| 03:10:02 | phobos19 | Question... |
| 03:10:21 | scanline | hash: it doesn't do much yet, but I develop it |
| 03:10:42 | phobos19 | I am using the Sharp rom 2.37, and my battery monitor can never tell the correct power, anybody know if this is a ROM issue |
| 03:10:50 | phobos19 | or hardware, or how to tell? |
| 03:10:53 | scanline | phobos19: kernel bug |
| 03:10:58 | phobos19 | ahhh |
| 03:11:23 | phobos19 | does OZ fix it? |
| 03:11:30 | scanline | not yet |
| 03:11:41 | scanline | kergoth' will eventually have a new kernel for OZ that might fix it |
| 03:11:48 | phobos19 | scanline: is there a set date for the new release of OZ? |
| 03:11:52 | scanline | no |
| 03:11:58 | phobos19 | darn |
| 03:12:00 | phobos19 | hehe |
| 03:12:11 | phobos19 | everybody keeps telling me soon, soon! hehe |
| 03:12:31 | phobos19 | scanline: thanks for your help though, I was scared for a second |
| 03:12:35 | scanline | that's the way open source usually works, release when it's released |
| 03:12:43 | phobos19 | yup ;-) |
| 03:13:35 | scanline | kinda funny trying to take a screencap of something animated... |
| 03:14:28 | phobos19 | Any news on OS X support? |
| 03:17:52 | scanline | for what? |
| 03:17:57 | phobos19 | the Z |
| 03:18:16 | scanline | place the Zaurus on top of a G4 tower... OS X support |
| 03:18:29 | phobos19 | I was looking at some guys page and he got USBCDCEthernet to compile, but not load |
| 03:18:34 | phobos19 | haha, isn't that only the truth ;-) |
| 03:18:35 | scanline | seriously though.. I guess you mean support for the USB? |
| 03:18:43 | phobos19 | well yeah, hopefully |
| 03:18:54 | scanline | dunno about that... I find 802.11 much nicer than USB :) |
| 03:18:58 | phobos19 | I have heard rumors of Apple doing a driver, but sharp won't approbe |
| 03:19:11 | phobos19 | hmmm, if only I went wireless.... |
| 03:19:26 | phobos19 | *approve (or something like that) |
| 03:19:32 | scanline | sharp doesn't exactly have to approve.. it's open source software |
| 03:19:49 | phobos19 | well, then I have it all wrong, but there is a complication... |
| 03:20:24 | scanline | I'd suggest just getting either wired or wireless ethernet for the Z |
| 03:20:36 | scanline | it's much nicer than USB, and works on any platform |
| 03:20:44 | phobos19 | I have wired ethernet, but my apt complex that has preinstalled network sux |
| 03:21:38 | scanline | you have a CF ethernet card for the zaurus? |
| 03:21:40 | phobos19 | they place won't allow more than one computer on the network per port, and I don't have a router yet... |
| 03:21:43 | phobos19 | yeah |
| 03:21:51 | scanline | get a second ethernet card for your PC |
| 03:22:19 | phobos19 | I have a pbook, running X, that's it.... |
| 03:22:27 | scanline | k |
| 03:22:46 | scanline | get one of the new dual-ethernet airport base stations :) |
| 03:22:47 | phobos19 | so, I wouldn't be able to sync, that's my only wish :-D |
| 03:23:41 | phobos19 | hmm, that'd be nice... |
| 03:24:10 | phobos19 | but 400 bux isn't |
| 03:24:29 | phobos19 | well, exageration |
| 03:24:42 | phobos19 | I do want an airport card for my tibook though...hmmmm |
| 03:24:51 | phobos19 | oh well |
| 03:24:58 | phobos19 | just wanted to see if anybody has heard anything |
| 03:26:18 | phobos19 | Does anybody approve of the syncing in Qtopia? |
| 03:26:40 | phobos19 | been dreaming of a linux machine... |
| 03:27:01 | scanline | has never got the qtopia syncing to work correctly |
| 03:27:05 | scanline | though I didn't try for very long |
| 03:27:16 | scanline | my Z isn't booted into Qtopia very often |
| 03:27:26 | scanline | err, Opie I mean |
| 03:28:20 | phobos19 | so linux support for syncing isn't the greatest? |
| 03:28:51 | scanline | phobos19: I dunno, I haven't tried it much |
| 03:29:00 | scanline | I'm not really a Opie/Qtopia/PIM kind of person |
| 03:29:12 | scanline | I usually use ssh to copy things to and from my zaurus |
| 03:29:44 | phobos19 | hmmm, are there any apps that can use the info from the Z? |
| 03:29:55 | phobos19 | excuse me, for os x |
| 03:30:09 | phobos19 | that you might know of? |
| 03:30:19 | scanline | phobos19: if you could bug Trolltech into open sourcing their qtopiadesktop app you could recompile it for OS X |
| 03:30:34 | phobos19 | scanline: "If" |
| 03:30:37 | phobos19 | hehe |
| 03:30:38 | scanline | I think Opie has a syncing doodad.. might be able to use that |
| 03:30:44 | scanline | go find an Opie developer to bug :) |
| 03:30:48 | scanline | try #opie |
| 03:31:24 | phobos19 | scanline: it's all good, I'll wait a bit (I'm use to it, I am a mac user ;-) |
| 03:31:49 | scanline | I have an ibook, but I got sick of OS X's slowness and bad dev tools, so it runs Gentoo Linux now |
| 03:31:58 | phobos19 | how is Gentoo? |
| 03:32:04 | phobos19 | been meaning to try it out |
| 03:32:29 | scanline | it's pretty neat. I don't like it quite as much as Debian, but it's still cool |
| 03:32:38 | scanline | it's like an automated LFS |
| 03:32:43 | phobos19 | that's the distro that compliles everything specifically for your processor right? |
| 03:32:46 | hardwire | lufus |
| 03:32:52 | phobos19 | ahh |
| 03:33:53 | phobos19 | maybe I am thinking of a different one... |
| 03:38:29 | scanline | chuckles |
| 03:38:42 | scanline | finally.. segfault |
| 03:38:56 | scanline | casts gdb on the bug, bug takes 8HP damage |
| 03:39:13 | scanline | roll a d20! |
| 03:39:37 | jbardin | LFS was fun to set up |
| 03:39:52 | jbardin | the scariest thing is compiling the compiler |
| 03:52:48 | scanline | hmm... PyQt is crufty.. it reeks of wrapperisms |
| 04:02:32 | scription | howdy |
| 04:05:58 | hardwire | wrapperreakin |
| 04:07:33 | jerco | bye |
| 04:21:44 | jbardin | anyone know if there is an svgalib port for the Z? |
| 04:22:25 | scanline | jbardin: definitely not |
| 04:26:01 | jbardin | hmm is there an nes emulator for the z? |
| 04:26:20 | jbardin | and or how hard would it be getting something written for svgalib to use the z's framebuffer ? |
| 04:27:40 | scanline | maybe tuxnes.. I'm not sure if that's x86 only or not |
| 04:27:45 | scanline | looks |
| 04:28:14 | scanline | ideally you'd want a emulator that uses SDL, so you can run it on any video device |
| 04:28:36 | scanline | yeah, tuxnes is i386 only |
| 04:29:05 | jbardin | hmm yea it seems that the graphics isnt the hard part of porting an emulator |
| 04:29:21 | jbardin | spose there are some other issues to contend with in termms of host cpu |
| 04:29:57 | scanline | jbardin: uh.. only if the emulator uses dynamic recompilation |
| 04:30:04 | scanline | if it's pure C, that shouldnt' matter unless there are bugs |
| 04:30:10 | scanline | try FCE Ultra |
| 04:30:19 | scanline | looks to support SDL and it's portable |
| 04:30:56 | jbardin | yea i am digging thoruh its source now |
| 04:31:07 | jbardin | so there are sdl ipks for the Z? |
| 04:31:08 | ljp | source digger! |
| 04:31:42 | scanline | jbardin: there's a picogui SDL ipk in openzaurus now, you could make one pretty easily for qtopia |
| 04:36:54 | jbardin | how do i overwirde the lib linking path? |
| 04:53:53 | jbardin | hmm well i got it to compile.. found a arm libSDL.. gotta reboot to send it to the z and check it out |
| 05:13:45 | endr | anyone know what's wrong with http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/Packages? It shouldn't be 0k... |
| 05:18:32 | jbardin | damn got a funky error |
| 06:16:56 | scanline | does some gremlin testing on pgserver |
| 06:45:41 | karapta | hello guys, I have the sharp rom 2.38 and I would like to install "Today" which I heard that I will need to have something extra installed in order for it to work in the sharp rom? |
| 07:05:14 | karapta | end |
| 08:32:23 | schurig | anyone of you building OpenZaurus from scratch (from CVS) ? |
| 08:36:28 | mickeyl | schurig: you might ask this question in #openzaurus (at times, when kergoth or onyx is around) :-) |
| 08:36:52 | scanline | schurig: join #openzaurus, and read the topic |
| 08:37:29 | badl | hello |
| 08:38:18 | kolla | I went back to sharp rom last week.. got bluetooth working |
| 08:38:31 | Piete | kolla: cooooooool |
| 08:38:46 | kolla | very |
| 08:39:18 | kolla | but it sucks how qtopia crashes/hangs everytime I replace the CF cards |
| 08:39:25 | Piete | kolla: bluetooth CF card? |
| 08:39:27 | kolla | yes |
| 08:39:41 | kolla | need to reboot the darn thing all the time |
| 08:40:27 | Piete | wonders if the Z supports SD hardware |
| 08:40:35 | Piete | like the SD bluetooth card |
| 08:40:57 | Piete | can't wait for his Z to arrive |
| 08:42:27 | kolla | no, for the SD only storage is supported |
| 08:42:38 | kolla | and frankly.. it's better that way.. |
| 08:43:09 | badl | kolla: what is your Z talking to over the bluetheeth? |
| 08:43:15 | kolla | my cellular |
| 08:43:21 | kolla | t39 ericsson |
| 08:43:31 | badl | better than the IR port? |
| 08:43:31 | kolla | will also test with a nokia headset. but I doubt that works :) |
| 08:43:35 | kolla | yes |
| 08:43:40 | kolla | a heck lot better than IR :) |
| 08:43:49 | badl | what range (distance) do you get? |
| 08:43:52 | Piete | yea, its just that palm's SD bluetooth card is pretty sweet ;) |
| 08:43:54 | kolla | and no need for tedious aligning of IR ports |
| 08:43:59 | kolla | :) |
| 08:44:08 | badl | affirmative! |
| 08:46:43 | Piete | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006347Q/ref=ase_pdagroove/103-9046289-9597412 <--- pretty sweet |
| 08:48:08 | badl | Piete: buy one an hack the Z with some duct tape to get it working! |
| 08:49:08 | Piete | hehe |
| 08:49:55 | badl | is downloading LFS 4.0 |
| 08:50:06 | Piete | has no bluetooth devices, and does not plan on getting any until there are teddy bears on the market that are bluetooth enabled ;) |
| 08:50:20 | Piete | badl: cool ;) |
| 08:50:28 | Piete | badl: I wanna try that some time ;) |
| 08:50:41 | Piete | is a slackware user atm |
| 08:50:47 | badl | Piete: it looks easy! |
| 08:51:11 | Piete | kewl ;) |
| 08:51:17 | badl | Piete: i am pissed off with redhat with there latest LAME-WARE release of 8.0 |
| 08:51:30 | Piete | badl: yea, it sucks.... |
| 08:51:31 | scanline | bluetooth is cool.. so your pens can give business cards to your toothbrush |
| 08:51:45 | Piete | loves slackware, so clean, so simple, so bloody fast |
| 08:52:10 | badl | Piete: i think it is good.. but rehat are moving towards your run of the mill (average user) distribution like winblows |
| 08:52:39 | Piete | yea.... maybe thats good in a sence, but I'll always stick to simple distros |
| 08:53:16 | badl | ...embedix ;) |
| 08:53:47 | scanline | eugh.. embedix :P |
| 08:54:12 | Piete | brb |
| 08:54:28 | badl | some1 still has to get netBSD running on the Z ;)\ |
| 09:04:51 | badl | .OO. |
| 09:04:54 | badl | \__/ |
| 09:20:41 | ||ugh | Quick idea. Since the Z is way too small to keep doc on, what about getting the most useful doc (man pages) hosted up on the Sharp developer site? Useful? |
| 09:22:05 | badl | wouldn't find that necessary (personally) |
| 09:23:00 | scanline | ||ugh: yeah... most people don't need manpages on the Z, and those that do should know how to find them elsewhere |
| 09:23:08 | scanline | you can usually google for a manpage and find numerous mirrors |
| 09:25:01 | smee | and often it's the busybox docs you should be reading |
| 09:26:00 | smee | a man 'client' would be good though |
| 09:33:51 | ||ugh | Yea, but it's not allwasy the busybox doc I need, just now it's tineylogin and I really don't need to spend all day digging up each possible man page... |
| 09:56:25 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23691.png |
| 09:56:41 | badl | nice |
| 09:56:48 | scanline | multitasking :) |
| 09:57:02 | scanline | that "plaintext" is supposed to say "wlan0" .. dunno what's up with that yet |
| 09:57:16 | badl | you have xchat running |
| 09:57:20 | scanline | yes |
| 09:57:36 | badl | bit small isnt it ;) |
| 09:57:43 | scanline | it's minimized |
| 09:57:59 | badl | yeah but i mean to type and read in |
| 09:58:13 | scanline | not really... lemme dig up a screenie of it... |
| 09:58:18 | badl | k |
| 09:58:31 | scanline | this will be a little old, but there's a bug in the current code that breaks xchat |
| 09:58:40 | scanline | http://picogui.org/scrshots/20020822_zaurus_xchat.png |
| 09:58:53 | scanline | that's the super-ultra-tiny font :) |
| 09:59:04 | badl | ic |
| 09:59:13 | badl | where do you pull the chanlist from |
| 09:59:17 | badl | er |
| 09:59:19 | badl | i mean user list |
| 09:59:37 | scanline | it's just a new frontend for xchat... so same place it usually comes from |
| 09:59:38 | badl | doe sit pop out horizontally? |
| 09:59:38 | badl | does it |
| 09:59:42 | scanline | oh |
| 09:59:43 | scanline | yes |
| 09:59:46 | scanline | that blue bar is draggable |
| 09:59:53 | badl | ahh |
| 10:00:02 | scanline | so you can easily shade it to just the bar, or resize it |
| 10:00:26 | scanline | there's also a button to show/hide the action buttons, though that wasn't implemented when this screenshot was taken |
| 10:00:36 | badl | kewl |
| 10:01:01 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.29716.png <-- current code, but with some fatal bugs |
| 10:01:22 | badl | who is writning the frontend? |
| 10:01:27 | scanline | mainly, the widget you type into doesn't work |
| 10:01:39 | scanline | badl: LoneTech did the original port, I've improved it a bit |
| 10:01:53 | badl | yup |
| 10:02:32 | scanline | mainly just tweaked things for a small screen, and made the userlist resizable |
| 10:02:48 | badl | but that is only for picogui right -- the frontend that is |
| 10:02:52 | scanline | yes |
| 10:03:10 | scanline | but it wouldn't be hard to write one for qt, the xchat code has frontends pretty nicely separated from the rest of the code |
| 10:03:20 | badl | yes |
| 10:03:57 | badl | Zed is a good coder ;) |
| 10:05:08 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4558.png <-- web browser, also suffering from some fatal bugs |
| 10:05:20 | scanline | it still looks nice though :) |
| 10:05:36 | scanline | except that progressbar.. haven't written a theme object for it yet |
| 10:05:50 | badl | busy at it aye! |
| 10:05:56 | scanline | yeah |
| 10:06:18 | badl | i am finding it hard to get motivated and finish the app si have started |
| 10:07:36 | scanline | common problem |
| 10:07:46 | badl | :( |
| 10:09:45 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.22005.png <-- I should find some more game boy games :) |
| 10:10:50 | scanline | ooh.. keyboard bug seems to be fixed.. maybe I was hallucinating a broken keyboard driver the first time |
| 10:10:55 | scanline | can actually play it on his zaurus now |
| 10:12:34 | scanline | a little awkward with the default key bindings.. but I can play game boy color games on my Z in picogui =) |
| 10:12:58 | bradh | What sort of prices are people paying for Zaurus? I'm thinking of getting one to fixup the Linux CDCEther driver, but local retailers want A$1160 (~US$550), when I see them for ~US$400 on some sites. |
| 10:13:29 | badl | bradh: i paid AU$1300 when the first came out |
| 10:13:36 | scanline | around US $350 is the cheapest I've seen them recently.. $400 is the normal price AFAIK |
| 10:15:38 | bradh | I'd be happy to pay A$800. |
| 10:16:08 | ||ugh | Street price here in the US is $400, you can get 50 or 80 off that if you find the right place to order online, your kilometerage may verry though! |
| 10:16:34 | scanline | is having so much fun with gnuboy he's anxious to fix the key mapping and rotation bugs |
| 10:19:34 | scanline | decides to make an OZ package for scummvm |
| 10:32:51 | Datake | pff |
| 10:32:59 | Datake | gnuboy is not playable |
| 10:33:04 | Datake | even tetris is tooooo slow |
| 10:33:06 | scanline | yes, it is |
| 10:33:14 | scanline | runs full speed on Zelda DX |
| 10:33:20 | Datake | in your dreams |
| 10:33:23 | scanline | (with sound disabled) |
| 10:33:24 | Datake | it's on my Z as we speak |
| 10:33:26 | scanline | almost full speed wiht sound on |
| 10:33:33 | scanline | err, with |
| 10:33:40 | scanline | Datake: well, maybe the Qtopia port of SDL is slow |
| 10:33:46 | scanline | I'm playing it with ipks I compiled, under picogui |
| 10:33:48 | scanline | it's nice and fast |
| 10:34:02 | Datake | how do you turn off sound? |
| 10:34:13 | scanline | --no-sound on the command line |
| 10:34:19 | scanline | but the speed difference isn't that much |
| 10:34:25 | scanline | it runs close to full speed with sound |
| 10:34:31 | Datake | what's the command to start it from command line ? |
| 10:34:40 | scanline | the sound doesn't work correctly on the zaurus yet, so no reason not to turn it off |
| 10:34:50 | scanline | Datake: I don't know, it depends on how your package is compiled |
| 10:34:56 | scanline | it's usually "sdlgnuboy" |
| 10:35:41 | Datake | qtopiagnuboy |
| 10:36:02 | scanline | Datake: it could just be that the qtopia version is slow :) |
| 10:36:20 | Datake | which one should i run then ? |
| 10:36:44 | Datake | what are the keys ? |
| 10:36:52 | scanline | well you could try my picogui ipks, but they're still experimental |
| 10:38:05 | Datake | pff its still reallyyyyy sloooooow |
| 10:38:23 | Datake | i had a gameboy emulator in my cassiopeia A20 |
| 10:38:27 | Datake | sh3 80mhz |
| 10:38:36 | Datake | it run alot faster then gnuboy |
| 10:38:46 | scanline | hell, they have game boy emulators for 32mhz PalmOS machines that ran almost full speed |
| 10:38:54 | scanline | trust me, I'm running gnuboy right now, full speed |
| 10:39:09 | scanline | if you want to try it yourself, the exact ipks I'm using are avaiable for download |
| 10:39:17 | scanline | I have a script that uploads them whenever I make changes |
| 10:39:39 | Twiun[Zzzzz] | nick Twiun[busy] |
| 10:39:45 | Twiun[busy] | doh ;-) |
| 10:40:53 | Twiun[busy] | new screenshot: http://adorphuye.com/files/fbAWT.07oct02.png |
| 10:41:13 | Twiun[busy] | gonna need to do some antialiasing on there I think... |
| 10:41:16 | scanline | Twiun[busy]: fonts! neat |
| 10:41:23 | scanline | BDF? |
| 10:41:43 | Twiun[busy] | err... .pjaf - but yeah, same thing |
| 10:42:04 | Twiun[busy] | 1bit font |
| 10:42:19 | Twiun[busy] | gonna look into .qpf parsing |
| 10:42:26 | Twiun[busy] | that'd be much better |
| 10:43:15 | badl | Twiun[busy]: that is that screenshot towards... |
| 10:43:20 | badl | what is that |
| 10:43:29 | | fbawt is probably Twiun's little pet project - 100% pure java framebuffer awt implementation - screenshots available at http://adorphuye.com/files/fbAWT.*.png |
| 10:43:29 | Twiun[busy] | ibot fbawt |
| 10:43:36 | Twiun[busy] | winks |
| 10:43:42 | badl | smiles |
| 10:46:32 | Twiun[busy] | I'll also release the framebuffer emulator once fbAWT is ready for release |
| 11:26:28 | numatrix | is back (gone 62:25:49) |
| 11:32:33 | scanline | oh yeah baby! |
| 11:32:51 | scanline | hugs scummvm |
| 11:34:03 | scanline | ooh.. sound sorta works |
| 11:34:09 | scanline | a little crackly, but works |
| 11:34:23 | scanline | is overwhelmed with niftosity |
| 11:34:45 | scanline | wonders if the crackling will go away once he's done copying files to the SD card |
| 11:37:07 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.8952.png |
| 11:38:10 | scanline | MUST make an OZ package for this |
| 11:38:46 | Speedy2 | re |
| 11:38:50 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.13534.png |
| 11:38:52 | scanline | hi Speedy2 |
| 11:38:56 | Speedy2 | Hey Scanline |
| 11:39:00 | Twiun[busy] | hey Speedy2 |
| 11:39:06 | Speedy2 | Hey Twiun |
| 11:39:07 | Speedy2 | re all |
| 11:39:28 | tux_mike | hy speedy |
| 11:39:38 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 11:39:42 | Speedy2 | Get your multi-color mouse going? |
| 11:39:55 | scanline | hmm? |
| 11:40:06 | Speedy2 | Mike was making some multi-color mouse. |
| 11:40:14 | tux_mike | not yet. haven't been able to work on it, no time |
| 11:40:22 | Speedy2 | Ah. |
| 11:40:32 | scanline | tux_mike: for Qtopia? |
| 11:40:53 | tux_mike | how can i make qtopia change the color of a mouse? :) |
| 11:41:20 | scanline | wonders why tux_mike needs a mouse in qtopia |
| 11:41:56 | tux_mike | but i was thinking of doing some work on it this weekend, but i went to a friend's birthday party and the few hours left in the weenend wnent to sleep :) |
| 11:42:01 | tux_mike | scanline: i don't |
| 11:42:12 | Speedy2 | I see. |
| 11:42:32 | tux_mike | brb. vending runn |
| 11:45:37 | Speedy2 | What's new scanline? |
| 11:45:50 | scanline | fixing bugs mainly... |
| 11:45:56 | numatrix | scanline: He was making a light-up mouse iirc. Stick some LED's inside the mouse and replace part of the case with translucent plastic. |
| 11:46:05 | scanline | but also playing with some games on my zaurus :) |
| 11:46:51 | scanline | the SDL backend for picogui is apparently a lot better than the one for qtopia, so I can run things like gnuboy and scummvm full speed |
| 11:47:13 | Speedy2 | I see. |
| 11:47:26 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.6331.png <-- this is a cool game |
| 11:47:52 | Speedy2 | I never played Monkey Island |
| 11:48:00 | Speedy2 | I played the Indy, DOTT and a few others. |
| 11:48:07 | Speedy2 | The Dig looked interesting, but never played that one either |
| 11:48:23 | scanline | never played DOTT, but I have a copy on my zaurus now so I might get around to it :) |
| 11:48:26 | badl | scanline: are you running a pirate $ver of monkey island there ;) |
| 11:48:32 | Speedy2 | DOTT is an AWESOME game |
| 11:48:36 | Speedy2 | Really hilarious |
| 11:49:11 | Speedy2 | But those games get frustrating sometimes since it's by chance that you discover stuff (i.e. moving the mouse cursor around until something happens) |
| 11:49:24 | scanline | badl: I have a copy of the game at home on 5.25" floppies, but scummvm doesn't work with that, so I got a "pirate" copy of the CD version |
| 11:49:40 | badl | tsk tsk! |
| 11:49:51 | scanline | It's abandonware |
| 11:49:57 | scanline | not like it's something they still make money on |
| 11:50:05 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 11:51:22 | badl | i know that serria still supports kings quest 1 ;) |
| 11:51:54 | Speedy2 | Sierra sux |
| 11:51:56 | Speedy2 | (now) |
| 11:52:00 | Speedy2 | Al Lowe did all those games |
| 11:52:03 | badl | affirmative |
| 11:52:03 | Speedy2 | And the shafted him |
| 11:52:10 | Speedy2 | the = they |
| 11:52:16 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.27891.png |
| 11:52:30 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 11:52:34 | Speedy2 | Looks really cool |
| 11:52:57 | scanline | some small audio glitches because it's running a tiny bit below full speed |
| 11:53:50 | Speedy2 | Ok, well I need to do some re-partitioning, bbl |
| 11:54:50 | badl | is having problems spelling 2nite |
| 11:56:28 | scanline | tonight? |
| 12:02:24 | numatrix | scanline: yeah, I had Sam and Max on mine. Played great. |
| 12:03:04 | numatrix | scanline: What emulator is that you're playing? Gameboy? |
| 12:03:17 | scanline | gnuboy |
| 12:03:39 | numatrix | Oh yeah; just saw the second screenshot w/ terminal and emulator. |
| 12:04:04 | numatrix | How's it play speedwise? |
| 12:04:31 | scanline | full speed, maybe a little faster |
| 12:04:41 | numatrix | That's nice that picogui sdl can actually run windowed. |
| 12:04:47 | numatrix | One of the drawbacks of sdl in qtopia. |
| 12:04:49 | scanline | qt sdl can't? |
| 12:04:51 | scanline | hmm |
| 12:05:30 | numatrix | scanline: nope |
| 12:05:35 | numatrix | scanline: Full screen only. |
| 12:06:36 | scanline | I'd like to do a port of gnuboy to picogui that includes extra UI features for setting keymapping, opening roms, and such |
| 12:10:02 | numatrix | scanline: That would be nice. There's another excellent sdl gameboy emulator you might want to look at. |
| 12:10:32 | numatrix | http://membres.lycos.fr/frogus/gngb/ |
| 12:10:56 | scanline | haven't tried that one yet |
| 12:11:16 | numatrix | scanline: that's what gameboyz is based on. The newest version uses sdl to display its own in-game menu; pretty slick, but I can't get the newer version working in qtopia for some reason; core dumps. |
| 12:13:39 | bipolar | good (morning|afternoon|evening) everyone |
| 12:13:54 | scanline | hi bipolar |
| 12:21:44 | bipolar | I guess that today I should load the beta OZ initrd on my Z and do some bug testing.... :p |
| 12:43:37 | tux_mike | damnit i wish gentoo had better mirrors |
| 12:44:10 | kolla | a broken mirror means 7 years of bad luck :) |
| 12:48:20 | nath | is there a general name for the software that runs on the zaurus? |
| 12:48:46 | rikkus | zoftware |
| 12:48:51 | nath | i realise that it is a version of the linux kernel, but for an assigment i have to invesitigate pda platforms |
| 12:48:54 | paq | lol |
| 12:49:12 | ljp_work | zware |
| 12:50:24 | nath | that's not really the term i was looking for. is embedix what they call it or is that just the kernel |
| 12:50:53 | kolla | nath: I guess you can call it ELF 32-bit LSB executable ARM software :) |
| 12:51:07 | nath | for example (hope these aren't bad words to use here) the other platforms i'm comparing are palm os and the window for pocket pc thing |
| 12:51:25 | kolla | regular linux software |
| 12:51:42 | paq | embedded linux on arm arch |
| 12:51:51 | kolla | the software in general isnt embedded |
| 12:52:07 | nath | paq: ooh, that sounds good |
| 12:52:09 | kolla | "embedded" here is just a bussword, not a definition of anything |
| 12:52:18 | kolla | sorry.. hehe.. buzzword |
| 12:52:21 | paq | yeah, but he spewed out some os references.. |
| 12:52:55 | ljp_work | well, it's _supposed_ to be, although some devs fail to realize the limited memory situation |
| 12:53:00 | ljp_work | embedded that is |
| 12:54:03 | paq | so, hey, anyway... is openzaurus any good.. i've been trying 2.9.5 and i've been getting mixed result... particularly some ipkg install problems... |
| 12:54:41 | ljp_work | oipkg is buggy, use -force-depends when installing non opie apps |
| 12:55:11 | paq | ok, i've been doing that to bypass the qpe-base dep.. |
| 12:55:34 | paq | ..but, i've gotten some uninstallable ipkgs too... even some from the base opie feed |
| 12:55:38 | ljp_work | there's another package manager called aqpkg |
| 12:56:17 | paq | ...also... i can't get hancom,opera and jeode creator (extractor?) to work on my oz 2.9.5... anyone? |
| 12:56:34 | paq | ljp_work - think i've downloaded it, i'll give it a try. |
| 12:57:38 | paq | hi sig |
| 12:58:04 | sig | yo |
| 12:58:11 | ljp_work | paq: you have to create those ipks from the sharp rom first |
| 12:58:43 | paq | ljp_work - i did, none of the resulting ipkgs work for me (jeod_1.ipk.. etc) |
| 12:59:36 | paq | lemme try get the error.. |
| 13:00:22 | numatrix | paq: Opera won't work, the others should. |
| 13:00:41 | numatrix | paq: The opera ipk creation script doesn't quite work yet, nobody knows why. |
| 13:00:54 | paq | i see... ok, this error is from hancommobileword |
| 13:01:48 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 13:01:55 | paq | Syntax error: word unexpected(expecting ")")pkg_run_script:`chroot (null); chdir (;;/mnt/ram/usr/lib/ipkg/info/hancommobileword.postinst configure;' failed: illegal see. ERROR. |
| 13:01:56 | paq | lo! |
| 13:03:19 | paq | do you know what's wrong? that's from a vanilla oz2.9.5 install.. |
| 13:12:13 | kergoth | paq: upgrade your ipkg version from the feeed |
| 13:12:16 | kolla | paq: looks familiar |
| 13:12:19 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 13:12:24 | kergoth | its fucking *snowing* |
| 13:12:32 | kergoth | october 7th, and its snowing |
| 13:12:37 | kolla | as long as it isnt snowing fucks |
| 13:12:37 | kergoth | drinks more coffee |
| 13:12:42 | kergoth | true that |
| 13:13:18 | kolla | hm.. I should do my homework before the russian course today |
| 13:13:18 | scanline | hiya kergoth |
| 13:13:19 | ljp_work | isnt that kinda late in the year for the first snow? |
| 13:13:24 | scanline | kergoth: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.21301.png |
| 13:13:54 | scanline | took lots of scaps of scummvm and gnuboy under picogui.. now in OZ packages :) |
| 13:14:20 | ljp_work | hey- that taskbar is at top! |
| 13:14:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:14:37 | kergoth | scanline: you marketing fiend you |
| 13:14:46 | scanline | ljp_work: yeah, they just bounce around all the time you know... |
| 13:14:51 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:15:06 | kergoth | yawns |
| 13:15:16 | scanline | kergoth: turns out the SDL backend for picogui is fast enough to run gnuboy full speed :) |
| 13:15:22 | kergoth | scanline: nice. |
| 13:15:49 | kolla | scanline: uhm.. care to have a go on UAE/SDL? :) |
| 13:16:22 | scanline | kolla: maybe after I do some homework.. I've been procrastinating this one assignment all weekend :) |
| 13:16:35 | kolla | :) |
| 13:16:37 | scanline | tries to pry himself away from Day of the Tentacle |
| 13:16:44 | kolla | hehe |
| 13:17:04 | kolla | lovely game that, hours of hilarious fun :) |
| 13:17:08 | scanline | We're so forunate that the original VGA Mode 13h is 320x200... perfect size to fit in the Z and have enough room left for titlebar and such |
| 13:17:16 | kolla | yup |
| 13:17:47 | kolla | with UAE it will have to be ful lscreen though, NTSC lowres amiga is 320x240 |
| 13:18:12 | scanline | might wait on that then.. I haven't added a fullscreen mode yet :) |
| 13:18:20 | scanline | it'd prolly work with the qt SDL though |
| 13:18:34 | kolla | yes, but parts of the display will be outside the screen I assume |
| 13:18:46 | kolla | or something |
| 13:18:50 | scanline | hmm? |
| 13:18:53 | scanline | zaurus is 320x240 |
| 13:19:12 | kolla | yes, but if you have window border and stuff :) |
| 13:19:29 | kolla | or the emulator fires up PAL mode at 320x256 |
| 13:19:42 | scanline | yeah |
| 13:20:17 | Dessimat0r | we need uae running in the pure console, for max speed |
| 13:20:58 | Dessimat0r | well, it could be an optional thing |
| 13:20:59 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 13:21:03 | kergoth | you mean direct to framebuffer? |
| 13:21:03 | scanline | if the GUI supports memory mapping the framebuffer directly, it shouldn't matter |
| 13:21:10 | kergoth | yep |
| 13:21:10 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 13:21:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:21:11 | scanline | QT has the QDirectPainter thingy |
| 13:21:25 | scanline | picogui doesn't have anything like that yet.. just in the plans |
| 13:21:41 | Dessimat0r | how come opie-mediaplayer2 runs so much slower than mplayer? |
| 13:21:44 | scanline | picogui's SDL backend uses shared memory and an extra blit, like X's shared memory |
| 13:21:51 | Dessimat0r | even when you make a vid full screen |
| 13:22:06 | scanline | Dessimat0r: dunno, haven't used either... |
| 13:22:12 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 13:22:31 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: opie-mediaplayer2 needs optimization. its nowhere near being efficient atm. talk to harlekin |
| 13:22:59 | scanline | I'd try mplayer in picogui, but the client lib chokes on any multithreaded apps at the moment |
| 13:23:29 | kolla | since xmms now works smoothly I no longer run any other player :) |
| 13:23:43 | kolla | xmms has all that I wanted anyways |
| 13:24:10 | scanline | do you run xmms on X, or has it been ported to other GUIs? |
| 13:24:41 | kolla | I can load all files from a directory, supports ogg, no breaks between the files... and so far it hasnt crashed once :) |
| 13:24:48 | kolla | scanline: sure.. qpe :) |
| 13:24:54 | scanline | neat |
| 13:25:21 | scanline | has tried X on his zaurus, but hasn't done anything more useful than run snes9x on it |
| 13:25:31 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:25:52 | scanline | hi chouimat |
| 13:26:02 | kergoth | snow snow go away come back another day |
| 13:26:04 | kergoth | or some shit |
| 13:26:09 | kergoth | growls |
| 13:26:25 | chouimat | kergoth: snow? |
| 13:26:34 | kergoth | chouimat: snow. |
| 13:26:44 | kergoth | yay it stoppee |
| 13:26:45 | kergoth | d |
| 13:26:46 | kergoth | but still. |
| 13:26:55 | chouimat | kergoth: will get it in december here :) |
| 13:27:09 | kergoth | growls again |
| 13:27:11 | kergoth | :) |
| 13:27:12 | kergoth | brb |
| 13:28:13 | ljp_work | snow is a miracle |
| 13:28:41 | ljp_work | imagine if it were falling quartz crystals |
| 13:29:03 | chouimat | ljp_work: I would prefer falling diamond :) |
| 13:30:40 | ljp_work | crushed charcoal? |
| 13:31:02 | chouimat | :) |
| 13:32:21 | tux_mike | hmm... |
| 13:32:36 | tux_mike | i really hate how people complain about CDMA not being internationally compatable. |
| 13:35:26 | kergoth | mondays suck. |
| 13:35:31 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth! |
| 13:35:54 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 13:36:02 | Speedy2 | What's up? |
| 13:36:19 | kergoth | muttering about the snow that was falling about a half an hour ago |
| 13:36:23 | kergoth | and trying to wake up |
| 13:36:24 | kergoth | you? |
| 13:38:05 | Speedy2 | Hrm, not much, re-partitioning a machine and doing a few other things |
| 13:38:13 | Speedy2 | I'm visiting some family in PA, going back to CT tomor |
| 13:39:18 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 13:39:38 | Speedy2 | Note to all here, NEVER RENT FROM U-HAUL |
| 13:40:13 | paq | speedy2 - what's wrong? |
| 13:40:20 | Speedy2 | Tried to rent a 10-feet vehicle, it turned out to be a death trap |
| 13:40:29 | Speedy2 | We returned the POS and demanded money back. |
| 13:40:52 | Speedy2 | 10-foot rather |
| 13:46:46 | kergoth | morning prpplague |
| 13:47:22 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 13:47:31 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cookin this morning? |
| 13:47:36 | chouimat | COOOOOFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 13:48:09 | prpplague | chouimat: ^ meeeee tooooo |
| 13:48:16 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 13:49:45 | ljp_work | espresso is better |
| 13:50:03 | tux_mike | kergot: why did you have to bring that up in front of the newbie |
| 13:50:08 | tux_mike | :) |
| 13:50:08 | kergoth | cappuccino is better, however its spelled |
| 13:50:17 | kergoth | tux_mike: cause i'm evil like that |
| 13:50:19 | kergoth | tux_mike: :) |
| 13:50:33 | tux_mike | quite |
| 13:51:10 | chouimat | The sum of the human intelligence is a constant. The problem is that human population is growing |
| 13:52:06 | tux_mike | no, i see it as human population seems to be growing exponentially, while intelligence is linear :) |
| 13:52:48 | chouimat | tux_mike: the result is the same |
| 13:53:01 | tux_mike | chouimat: quite |
| 13:53:26 | prpplague | kergoth: harris semiconductor makes a prism2 chipset right? |
| 13:53:43 | tux_mike | one thing is, you can always mesaure the intellegence of a population on a bell curve. |
| 13:54:56 | chouimat | tux_mike: when you must put a disclamer in a microwave oven manual telling don't put your pet in the oven to dry it ..... |
| 13:55:14 | kergoth | hah |
| 13:55:27 | tux_mike | chouimat: those things are for people on the upward part of the curve |
| 13:55:42 | tux_mike | there are very few who are dumb enough to do that |
| 13:55:56 | chouimat | tux_mike: the manual or the oven :) |
| 13:56:09 | tux_mike | people |
| 13:56:25 | chouimat | tux_mike: the dumb one we call that college students :) |
| 13:57:03 | tux_mike | nah, most college students are on the top of the curve |
| 13:57:19 | chouimat | tux_mike: even the football team? |
| 13:57:23 | tux_mike | some on the bottom slope, and almost none on the upwards |
| 13:57:55 | tux_mike | the football team prolly has most of the left end of the top, and the upwards slope ones :) |
| 13:58:19 | chouimat | tux_mike: :) |
| 13:58:35 | Shayde | 'lo folks. |
| 13:59:20 | tux_mike | hullo |
| 14:02:08 | Shayde | MAN perl gives me a headache. |
| 14:02:10 | Shayde | i hate editing someone elses code. |
| 14:02:22 | jbardin | word to that |
| 14:02:53 | Shayde | http://www.homeport.org/~shevett/screenshots/work_perl1.png |
| 14:03:09 | Shayde | that's one block of code. "Fix that and add functions to it." |
| 14:03:14 | Shayde | jeezus man, the guy couldn't find his friggin tab key. he apparently hit it at random. |
| 14:04:51 | kergoth | Shayde: i've seen worse :) |
| 14:05:15 | Shayde | i have too. but i have very little sympathy here. "Hey it works! perl rocks!" |
| 14:05:15 | smee | far far |
| 14:05:18 | Shayde | sighs. |
| 14:05:19 | scanline | Shayde: ya.. that's nothing compared to the code I had to port for Exadigm earlier this year |
| 14:05:33 | JasonNJ | sup dudes. |
| 14:05:41 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 14:05:50 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it snowed this morning. :( |
| 14:05:55 | JasonNJ | kewl. |
| 14:06:09 | kergoth | bah, i'm not ready for winter yet |
| 14:06:14 | Shayde | anyway, yeah, i know its style. but i'm still grumpy. :) |
| 14:06:18 | chouimat | JasonNJ: about 6C this morning |
| 14:06:25 | Shayde | what would you use to sequence webpages and run through forms? expect? |
| 14:07:50 | chouimat | another shooting in a american school. since when guns are standard school material? |
| 14:08:10 | scanline | Shayde: check this little bit here- |
| 14:08:12 | scanline | gotoxy(2, 4); |
| 14:08:12 | scanline | printf2("SECONDS"); |
| 14:08:12 | scanline | get_string(Back_Light, 32, 34, 2, 29,1); |
| 14:08:12 | scanline | lcd_bl = atoi(Back_Light); |
| 14:08:52 | scanline | "printf2" was a function to output to the screen, cut&pasted into several versions.. get_string read input back... |
| 14:09:05 | scanline | their code was full of this type of stuff, and I had to rewrite the UI for PicoGUI |
| 14:09:10 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:09:11 | chouimat | scanline: what that? |
| 14:09:27 | kergoth | scanline: dont you just *love* needless complexity? |
| 14:09:31 | scanline | chouimat: some proprietary code I had to port for Exadigm.. for a handheld credit card terminal |
| 14:09:35 | Shayde | heh. |
| 14:09:46 | scanline | kergoth: oh yeah.. what really got me was the needless code duplication and completely nonsensical naming |
| 14:09:52 | Dessimat0r | i hope you put a backdoor in for us ;) |
| 14:09:52 | Shayde | wishes he had time to do some serious Z development :( |
| 14:10:09 | scanline | Dessimat0r: the company's out of business now, so it wouldn't matter |
| 14:10:13 | Dessimat0r | lol ;) |
| 14:10:30 | Dessimat0r | are you without a job now? |
| 14:10:31 | scanline | The app I had to port and was written really badly was scheduled to be replaced anyway, it was only a prototype |
| 14:10:34 | Dessimat0r | or have you got one |
| 14:10:39 | scanline | Dessimat0r: this was a while ago |
| 14:10:44 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 14:11:02 | chouimat | scanline: I have some very very very very very very ugly code here, and the author is currently on prosac, so I don't know what drive him crazy but looking at his code is enough for me |
| 14:11:11 | scanline | Right before they went under they had me write a new backend for their app... it was actually pretty neat, but it probably will never see the light of day |
| 14:11:26 | scanline | chouimat: hah |
| 14:11:44 | prpplague | kergoth: ha digi just called |
| 14:12:17 | chouimat | scanline: the kind of code you need to print and use about 10 different highliners to begin understand it |
| 14:12:30 | scanline | wonders what chouimat thinks of his code :) |
| 14:12:47 | scanline | hardly anyone sees my code, so I don't know how it rates on the holy-shit-scale :) |
| 14:12:50 | chouimat | scanline: yours or mine? |
| 14:12:56 | Shayde | writes some kick-ass PHP - and some mostly good Java code, and decent shell scripts. Ah well. |
| 14:13:33 | chouimat | Shayde: that was PHP code but a 1500 files projects with all php code embedded in html tags |
| 14:13:42 | scanline | chouimat: I've had people tell me that my code looks like it came out of a university, and other people say I can write 3 lines that should be 300... I think both are true... |
| 14:14:36 | Shayde | ow ow ow :( |
| 14:15:02 | kergoth | prpplague: they did? |
| 14:15:03 | chouimat | scanline: I learned programming in basic on a Sinclair's ZX81 so I still have problems 20 yrs after to put comment in my code |
| 14:15:37 | scanline | chouimat: mm yeah.. I guess I dunno how many comments people expect |
| 14:15:42 | prpplague | kergoth: ya wanting to know about "sco to linux migrating" |
| 14:16:14 | Shayde | huh. i don't have any decent PHP examples here, except ZSI2 itself... the sourcecode is fast-code though, pretty, organized, but not well documented :( |
| 14:17:09 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/widget/textbox_frontend.c?rev=1.7&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup <-- typical example of my code |
| 14:17:13 | chouimat | scanline: me too. One of my friends put about 6 pages of comments for every fonction, he put the algorithm and a plain french and english explaination of what the fonction do |
| 14:17:56 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/vidwrap/rotate90.c?rev=1.27&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup <-- about halfway down in this file there's a really huge comment block for 3 lines of code |
| 14:18:04 | chouimat | scanline: good |
| 14:18:17 | kergoth | scanline: /* The End */ <-hah |
| 14:18:28 | scanline | kergoth: one of my little traditions... |
| 14:18:33 | chouimat | scanline: if the code is hard, that good |
| 14:18:37 | chouimat | hi Sniper |
| 14:18:40 | Sniper | hu |
| 14:18:42 | Sniper | hi |
| 14:18:49 | Sniper | just upgraded to XP.. windoze |
| 14:19:04 | scanline | chouimat: ASCII art is always fun :) |
| 14:19:09 | chouimat | scanline: wait I'm search one |
| 14:19:44 | kergoth | hey sniper |
| 14:21:07 | Sniper | sup |
| 14:22:11 | numatrix | morning slor, you awake? |
| 14:22:19 | numatrix | Hey sniper, how goes it? |
| 14:22:24 | Sniper | not too bad |
| 14:22:27 | Sniper | just a little busy |
| 14:22:33 | numatrix | Mondays usually are... |
| 14:22:41 | Sniper | brb |
| 14:23:50 | Angst7 | Anyone know wehre can I find details on using the mono input jack on the SL-5000? |
| 14:34:00 | chouimat | scanline: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/087.zip <-example of my code |
| 14:34:56 | chouimat | scanline: SSD.prg is the source you want to check |
| 14:35:39 | scanline | what language is this? |
| 14:35:49 | Shayde | .prg must be FoxBase! |
| 14:35:51 | Shayde | shows his age. |
| 14:36:21 | JasonNJ | hey this is cool. |
| 14:36:23 | JasonNJ | http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~pyang/flash/miniputt.swf |
| 14:36:38 | chouimat | Shayde: actually clipper 5.2 |
| 14:37:21 | chouimat | scanline: look at the date :) |
| 14:37:31 | Shayde | whoah. go chou. :) |
| 14:37:37 | scanline | ah! |
| 14:37:39 | scanline | 1995 :) |
| 14:37:44 | Shayde | i was a major foxpro / foxbase developer for a long time ;) |
| 14:37:57 | chouimat | Shayde: loved that language |
| 14:38:16 | tux_mike | i wonder how safe it is to use -O3 on the kernel :) |
| 14:38:21 | Shayde | the language -sucked- :) |
| 14:38:30 | Shayde | modi comm's chou |
| 14:38:48 | chouimat | Shayde: I speaking of the clipper5 one not FoxPro |
| 14:38:50 | Shayde | i still start typing FOO = iif(bob="whatever","yes","no"); |
| 14:39:07 | djk | JasonNJ: you run the miniputt on the Z? |
| 14:39:09 | Shayde | @ 5,5 say "Enter your name --: " |
| 14:39:17 | Shayde | dredges up ancient knowledge. |
| 14:40:30 | chouimat | scanline: I can't find the 2.0 version of that system |
| 14:43:38 | chouimat | Shayde: damn! I lost my hacked Get version |
| 14:43:48 | Shayde | heh. |
| 14:44:08 | Shayde | i never did Clipper actually. I did dBase, saw Clipper and Foxbase, went into Foxbase and followed that throuh into FoxPro. |
| 14:45:35 | Shayde | chou, stop spamming me please. |
| 14:45:44 | chouimat | Shayde: hehe. |
| 14:45:52 | ciaolinux | hi everybody: does anyone get the 421 error trying to ftp the Z (with rom 1.39) from a linux desktop? |
| 14:45:55 | djk | Shayde: those were cool programs at there time |
| 14:45:55 | Shayde | christ man, did you really need to dump 30 lines to me in /msg? |
| 14:46:11 | chouimat | djk: I miss clipper |
| 14:46:30 | Shayde | i was just pleased to run foxbase under SCO Xenix. |
| 14:46:30 | chouimat | Shayde: little code example |
| 14:46:31 | Shayde | that was fun :) |
| 14:46:40 | djk | the solutions it provide image how quick it would on today's machines |
| 14:46:53 | Harlekin_ | hi * |
| 14:46:55 | chouimat | djk: hehe |
| 14:46:55 | ZhEN | is back (gone 14:08:16) |
| 14:47:25 | chouimat | djk: maybe I will give another try to Harbour and Clip |
| 14:47:33 | ciaolinux | are all the usb cf reader supported by linux? |
| 14:47:38 | djk | chouimat: access took the fun out of it. mysql has restored my interest |
| 14:47:46 | Shayde | chouimat: that's wonderful. You just spammed me with code for a system I've never worked in, and have no interest in anymore, only loosely related to something I worked on 12 years ago? next time just give me a url, okay? |
| 14:48:07 | chouimat | Shayde: :) |
| 14:48:25 | chouimat | djk: access, yurk! |
| 14:48:43 | ciaolinux | chouimat: what cf reader do you have? |
| 14:48:46 | djk | Shayde: maybe /msg would be better that with chouimat |
| 14:48:57 | ciaolinux | chouimat: is it easy to access it with linux? |
| 14:49:07 | chouimat | ciaolinux: sandisk DDR-31 |
| 14:49:24 | chouimat | ciaolinux: yes. here /dev/sdb :) |
| 14:49:35 | chouimat | ciaolinux: sorry /dev/sdf |
| 14:49:41 | ciaolinux | chouimat: what module do you use ? (usb-storage?) |
| 14:49:47 | chouimat | ciaolinux: yes |
| 14:50:03 | Shayde | djk: i like whining in public. gives me a woody. |
| 14:50:13 | chouimat | Shayde: hehe |
| 14:50:18 | ciaolinux | chouimat: ok... i will buy something like that too... what rom are you using at the moment? |
| 14:51:44 | chouimat | ciaolinux: the new model (DDR-77) have some problem currently. I will buy the Dazzle one soon, my father want it back. and I think the DDR-31 is defect. got some error while mounting the flash |
| 14:52:10 | uncon | is away, g00ne (l!on) : os/bx |
| 14:55:09 | Datake | is gone. Gone since Fri Sep 20 08:54:01 2002 |
| 14:56:54 | ciaolinux | chouimat: do you know anything about pny? |
| 14:57:15 | chouimat | ciaolinux: pny? |
| 14:57:19 | djk | SanDisk I think has problems overall newsgroup don't have great comments on them |
| 14:57:51 | ciaolinux | chouimat: yes... circuit city has that one (and that is the nearest shop) |
| 14:57:55 | chouimat | djk: my father must unplug it when he boot windows2k because the ddr-31 crash it |
| 14:58:19 | djk | well windows will be windoz |
| 14:58:21 | chouimat | ciaolinux: I know that the Dazzle DRM-8000 work but don't know about the pny |
| 14:58:59 | chouimat | djk: I got some I/O error while mounting the flash but it's ok after that, it's just annoying |
| 14:59:03 | ciaolinux | djk: do you have any to suggest? |
| 15:04:00 | ciaolinux | chouimat: is it this one? http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=16%2D3656 |
| 15:04:37 | chouimat | ciaolinux: www.dazzle.com |
| 15:05:40 | ciaolinux | chouimat: how much is it? |
| 15:05:57 | chouimat | here about 29$-39$ CDN |
| 15:06:58 | chouimat | ciaolinux: you will get it for 19US$ or less |
| 15:07:14 | ciaolinux | chouimat: yes, that is 19 |
| 15:07:37 | ciaolinux | chouimat: you can find it for less on the net but i am a bit in rush... anyway it is cheap... all the dazzle work with linux? |
| 15:08:08 | chouimat | that one seem to work. the 6-in-1, onlye the CF work |
| 15:09:27 | ciaolinux | which on |
| 15:09:52 | ciaolinux | can you pls check the site that i sent you... those dudes didn't write the model? |
| 15:10:07 | chouimat | ciaolinux: don't work here |
| 15:10:20 | ciaolinux | chouimat: what do you mean? |
| 15:10:28 | ciaolinux | chouimat: what doesn't work here? |
| 15:10:34 | chouimat | ciaolinux: got page not found |
| 15:11:28 | ciaolinux | chouimat: sorry... ok never mind... I will just give a try to that one |
| 15:11:47 | djk | ciaolinux: I have CF from CompUSA and an SD from Panosonic and PC CARD adapter from Dazzle for the CF have not tried to find one for the SD yet all work great on windows and linux |
| 15:11:54 | djk | and Z of course |
| 15:12:17 | chouimat | ciaolinux: the dazzle on radio shack is a memory stick reader |
| 15:12:35 | ciaolinux | chouimat: what does that mean? |
| 15:12:56 | ciaolinux | chouimat: isn't that enough? |
| 15:13:03 | chouimat | ciaolinux: don't work with CF card, it work with sony memory stick (another type of card) |
| 15:13:30 | ciaolinux | chouimat: they also have cf card reader |
| 15:13:40 | ciaolinux | chouimat: it is another product in radioflash |
| 15:13:52 | ciaolinux | chouimat: s/flash/shack |
| 15:14:03 | chouimat | ciaolinux:don't know, maybe in store |
| 15:14:33 | djk | are you looking for a PC Card adapter or a usb device? |
| 15:15:19 | ciaolinux | djk: usb |
| 15:17:00 | djk | ah |
| 15:20:08 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 15:21:10 | noda | Hrm, anyone know why opie-mediaplayer2 can't seem to find the ogg files on my SD card? |
| 15:38:21 | anggarda | Hiello #zaurus. |
| 15:38:27 | numatrix | hello anggarda |
| 15:39:00 | anggarda | hmmm...I remember irritating you once a long time ago. |
| 15:39:23 | anggarda | Are you this friendly to all the zaurus newbies? |
| 15:39:26 | numatrix | Me or the channel? |
| 15:39:44 | anggarda | yourself, I meant. |
| 15:40:14 | numatrix | Hmm, dunno, it depends if I'm actually paying attention to irc, but I think I'm usually friendly. |
| 15:40:20 | numatrix | Others would probably be better judges of that than me. |
| 15:41:22 | anggarda | The last time, I was here, I was making queries with regards to the zaurus. I have since went out and purchase a set. |
| 15:41:36 | paq | anyone install programs to SD? how much slower is it (if any) compared to ram, rom and cf...? |
| 15:41:46 | numatrix | Excellent; welcome to the club. :-) |
| 15:42:03 | Angst7 | anyone made use of the built in audio input jack? |
| 15:42:09 | numatrix | paq: It's the slowest, but I don't usually notice it, and I've installed and run large programs (doom) from it. |
| 15:42:20 | anggarda | namatrix, should I wish to pick up programming on qt or opie where do I head to? |
| 15:42:36 | ljp_work | I made use of the built in mic implant ;) |
| 15:42:53 | treke|wherever | anggarda: http://doc.trolltech.com is a good start |
| 15:43:12 | paq | numatrix - argh.. and i thought it'd be faster than cf ;( sdio should improve the performance, right? and is that a hardware or driver\soft limitation...? |
| 15:43:17 | anggarda | thanks, treke. There now. |
| 15:43:31 | treke|wherever | anggarda: The tutorials are a decent start |
| 15:43:52 | numatrix | paq: It would if the zaurus didn't only use 1 channel of the 4. :-( Hardware limitation. |
| 15:44:12 | paq | noooooo =( |
| 15:44:16 | numatrix | anggarda: Also, check the zaurus zone howtos. |
| 15:44:21 | | rumour has it howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 15:44:21 | numatrix | ibot: howtos |
| 15:44:25 | Angst7 | ljp: I'm curious about the audio recording possibilities.. from a line-level source |
| 15:44:42 | ZhEN | is away: working |
| 15:44:49 | anggarda | namatrix, thanks man. |
| 15:45:00 | numatrix | anggarda: no problem |
| 15:45:07 | paq | numatrix - hm, anyway... if i install most\all of my programs there, is there any special steps\precautions when i do backup\restores... or rom upgrades? |
| 15:46:02 | numatrix | paq: Well, the tricky part is that a lot of programs don't properly install to SD. |
| 15:46:17 | numatrix | paq: I tend to install things by hand and sym link the files from the approprait destinations in ram. |
| 15:46:21 | paq | ouch, okay... just the symlinks? or ... |
| 15:46:44 | paq | i see.. |
| 15:46:59 | kergoth | paq: some ipks are flawed, some depend on being able to have symlinks on the media, so a vfat filesystem can see issues. |
| 15:47:17 | kergoth | paq: most packages will install to sd fine if its ext2, and the ones that dont you can complain to the maintainer |
| 15:47:26 | paq | kergoth - i've init my sd to ext3... |
| 15:47:35 | paq | kergoth - does that help much? |
| 15:47:45 | paq | cool! |
| 15:47:52 | kergoth | paq: the only packages that should fail to install are screwed up ones :) |
| 15:47:53 | numatrix | kergoth: That's not the only problem, isn't it? There's something about when people use /home/qtopia vs /opt/qtpalmtop or something or other than can cause problems I thought. |
| 15:48:04 | ming | anyone know how to make the zaurus beep from the command line? |
| 15:48:12 | kergoth | numatrix: not in oz |
| 15:48:14 | kergoth | numatrix: :) |
| 15:48:31 | kergoth | numatrix: sharp rom w/ qinstall, i believe thats true |
| 15:48:45 | numatrix | kergoth: I thought there was something like that too. |
| 15:48:48 | numatrix | paq: You running oz? |
| 15:49:11 | paq | oh oh, i saw a gsm\gprs cf card the other day.. it's for pocketpc, you guys have any idea what chipset it uses and if it can be used on the zaurus? |
| 15:49:35 | paq | numatrix - yup, but i was having problem getting it to work since i didn't have the zaurus connected to the net |
| 15:49:58 | numatrix | paq: Yeah, OZ does like a net connection. |
| 15:50:04 | paq | numatrix - (manual download of ipkgs to cf from desktop.. sneakersnet).. |
| 15:50:34 | paq | numatrix - it's doing a net (partial) upgrade now :) i'm excited |
| 15:50:58 | numatrix | paq: Another issue with installing it to SD is that the documents tab can be overloaded. it find the /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/pics directory and suddenly you've got all the images for all your programs in the document tab. :-( Kinda a pain. |
| 15:51:13 | numatrix | paq: I tend to install things to /mnt/card/.x/path/to/whatever just to hide it from the documents tab. |
| 15:51:27 | kergoth | numatrix: i still vote for having it not show any files that exist in thei package management database on the media in question :) |
| 15:51:35 | paq | numatrix - i saw some programs to circumvent that... and also a reference to one of the config files where you can list directories to ignore (for Documents) ... |
| 15:51:42 | numatrix | kergoth: Sure, just get the opie guys to do it. :-) |
| 15:51:54 | numatrix | kergoth: And oh yeah, convince sharp to update it too. ;-) |
| 15:52:03 | numatrix | paq: Not all of them circumvent it well. |
| 15:52:08 | paq | i see... |
| 15:52:19 | numatrix | paq: It's still a mild irritant. |
| 15:53:31 | paq | i popped in a 1gb microdrive the other day with 30 or so html ebooks (each of them comes with 100s html and jpgs and pngs, etc) mp3s and jpgs... froze the zaurus for a good 5 minutes i reckon... |
| 15:58:14 | Sniper | paq: did it eventually work? |
| 15:59:17 | paq | did it... i tried a couple of times, i think it worked after i extended my auto-suspend time |
| 16:00:05 | Sniper | ahh ok |
| 16:00:59 | paq | thought it froze until i heard the whirr from the drive. boy that thing draws power from battery and spews out much heat like hell... i'd rather have a couple of smaller cf's |
| 16:03:47 | Sniper | yeah the heat is an issu |
| 16:05:26 | paq | ...and apps like the Documents tab... |
| 16:05:40 | paq | http://www.pdaordie.com/article/gmsgprscfcard/page2.asp |
| 16:07:13 | ming | anyone know how to make a beep from the command line? neither printf or echo seem to recognize \a as a special charachter |
| 16:09:49 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:09:51 | ciaolinux | Sniper: do you know if there is anyway to ftp a zaurus from a linux desktop (with the image 1.39)? i followed the faq.. i got the ping as the faq (so I won) but that is the only thing that i can get ... ftping gives me an error 421 |
| 16:10:39 | kergoth | ciaolinux: port 4242 |
| 16:10:50 | paq | morning.. |
| 16:11:04 | mark | heya Neo|Work |
| 16:11:12 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i did that... i can connect, but after that i disconnect... |
| 16:11:51 | prpplague | kergoth: argh this freakin dgrp is cause me headaches this morning |
| 16:11:59 | numatrix | ciaolinux: That's over the usb connection or something else? |
| 16:12:01 | ciaolinux | kergoth: it looks also like that is a faq in the mailing list, but the only answer is to try ftping with windows explorer that is kind of ridicolous |
| 16:12:02 | kergoth | prpplague: whats it doing now? |
| 16:12:11 | ciaolinux | numatrix: yes, usb |
| 16:12:14 | kergoth | ciaolinux: ? what are you trying to ftp with? |
| 16:12:21 | ciaolinux | kergoth |
| 16:12:30 | ciaolinux | kergoth: linux desktop |
| 16:12:52 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm getting errors like the ports not there, lpd says "resources not available" and getty respawns too fast |
| 16:12:58 | kergoth | ciaolinux: shouldnt matter what client you're using |
| 16:13:12 | kergoth | prpplague: drpd still running? |
| 16:13:26 | kergoth | prpplague: sounds like a network drop, drpd lost connectivity to the unit |
| 16:13:29 | kergoth | prpplague: just off the top of my head |
| 16:13:44 | prpplague | kergoth: that could be possible |
| 16:13:56 | ciaolinux | kergoth: not really ... it looks like there is a bug in the ftp server of zaurus, and that explorer manages to overcome it (maybe because it is more experienced of bugs) |
| 16:14:16 | kergoth | prpplague: if thats the case, drpd should stay running, and within 3-4 minutes should have re-established the connection to the unit |
| 16:14:22 | kergoth | ciaolinux: doubt that. |
| 16:14:24 | ciaolinux | kergoth: but it is funny that in the faq, the only thing that it is explained is how to ping the Z: it worked to me... then what? |
| 16:14:37 | kergoth | ciaolinux: i've used it without any problems with both gnu standard ftp and ncftp |
| 16:14:50 | ciaolinux | kergoth: read the mailing list archive, looking for 421 error... you get a lot of people wiht the same problem as mine |
| 16:14:58 | ciaolinux | kergoth: what rom? |
| 16:15:34 | kergoth | ciaolinux: i've done it with every sharp rom up to 1.12/13 on 5000d, and 5500 up to 2.37, and every OZ version |
| 16:15:58 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i think that it is a 1.39 bug problem |
| 16:16:22 | prpplague | kergoth: ok, looks like some serious network problems, getting all kinds of packet collisions |
| 16:17:08 | ciaolinux | but still it is amazing that when they test the roms, they don't test it with linux |
| 16:18:17 | kergoth | ciaolinux: dood, ftp is ftp |
| 16:18:22 | kergoth | ciaolinux: what OS you're coming from is irrelevant |
| 16:19:25 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i doubt that they used ftp of dos... it is more likely that they used ftp for explorer... |
| 16:19:37 | kergoth | ciaolinux: you're not getting it |
| 16:19:48 | kergoth | ciaolinux: ftp is *ftp*. what client you use is also irrelevant |
| 16:19:55 | ciaolinux | kergoth: and it looks like that this is a requirement for Z! ( i didn't want to believe it at the beginning) |
| 16:20:08 | ciaolinux | kergothno |
| 16:20:23 | paq | try connecting to the ftp port with telnet.. |
| 16:20:24 | kergoth | ciaolinux: check the options in your ftp client. ensure long listing and show hidden files are both disabled |
| 16:20:28 | ciaolinux | kergoth: not really... they are some internal scripts that makes the difference |
| 16:20:30 | kergoth | ciaolinux: you're wrong. |
| 16:20:37 | kergoth | ciaolinux: 'internal scripts' my ass |
| 16:20:38 | ciaolinux | kergoth: in what? |
| 16:20:49 | ciaolinux | kergoth: then tell me what is the difference |
| 16:20:51 | kergoth | ciaolinux: its an ftp server. a limited one, yes. |
| 16:21:01 | kergoth | ciaolinux: limited ftp server. your client is trying to do something that its limited nature cant handle |
| 16:21:17 | kergoth | ciaolinux: such as a LIST with the options to show hidden files |
| 16:21:23 | ciaolinux | kergoth: if they knew it, why it is not in any howto or any faq? this is just a bug. |
| 16:21:25 | treke|wherever | paq: it runs on a different port than the default ftp port |
| 16:21:29 | kergoth | ciaolinux: dood, you're on crack. |
| 16:21:31 | kergoth | ciaolinux: knew what? |
| 16:21:39 | treke|wherever | ciaolinux: your not supposed to ftp to it. why should they document it? |
| 16:21:40 | kergoth | ciaolinux: they cant test every ftp client out there |
| 16:21:43 | kergoth | ciaolinux: *not* going to happen |
| 16:21:45 | ciaolinux | kergoth: that ftp xxx 4242 doesn't work |
| 16:21:49 | kergoth | ciaolinux: works flawless. |
| 16:21:53 | kergoth | ciaolinux: it only doesnt work for *you* |
| 16:21:58 | ciaolinux | treke|wherever: just supposed to ping? interesting |
| 16:22:06 | kergoth | ciaolinux: no, you're supposed to use the sync software |
| 16:22:13 | kergoth | ciaolinux: i doubt they support anything beyond that |
| 16:22:27 | paq | treke - just trying to illustrate how simple the ftp protocol is... cleartext auth... |
| 16:22:35 | kergoth | paq: indeed |
| 16:22:36 | treke|wherever | paq: ah. |
| 16:22:38 | ciaolinux | kergoth: my ftp client is the gnu ftp... not so uncommon |
| 16:22:40 | treke|wherever | yes it is simple |
| 16:22:44 | kergoth | ciaolinux: gnu ftp works great here |
| 16:22:57 | kergoth | ciaolinux: as i said, you have an option enabled that the simple ftp server doesnt support |
| 16:23:02 | ciaolinux | kergoth: with rom 1.39? |
| 16:23:21 | kergoth | ciaolinux: the rom version is irrelevant. I *highly* doubt the ftp server code in the qpe launcher has changed between versions |
| 16:23:38 | ciaolinux | kergoth: can you please read benmeyer howto and tell me where it is written? |
| 16:23:50 | kergoth | ciaolinux: um |
| 16:23:52 | kergoth | ciaolinux: guess what |
| 16:23:59 | kergoth | ciaolinux: ben meyer's howtos are not official sharp documents |
| 16:24:26 | ciaolinux | kergoth: so what is the official howto for sync? |
| 16:24:32 | kergoth | ciaolinux: and no documentation can account for every variant in the user's environment |
| 16:24:49 | ciaolinux | kergoth: anyway in my box there was that website... the zauruszone one |
| 16:24:56 | kergoth | ciaolinux: linux is a *highly* changing and mutable entity. to test every varying configuration within every distribution and every possible client configuration would be quite impossible |
| 16:25:11 | ciaolinux | kergoth: again, there is no variant in my ftp. |
| 16:25:23 | kergoth | ciaolinux: you know where your distro got its sources? |
| 16:25:27 | kergoth | ciaolinux: i'm impressed. |
| 16:25:32 | ciaolinux | kergoth:? ftp is only one.. the gnu one... i doubt debian has it differnet |
| 16:25:58 | scanline | there's also ncftp, the ftp client in gnome's VFS, and probably countless others |
| 16:26:02 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i have almost all linux dist. I will check the other |
| 16:26:03 | kergoth | ciaolinux: 90% of debian's packages apply patches to the source that deviate from the official sources, fyi. |
| 16:26:55 | ciaolinux | kergoth: anyway where is the generic howto for syincing with a linux box? the only one that i found so far was ben's |
| 16:27:04 | cdm | well, Debian makes hybrid releases mostly. |
| 16:27:14 | cdm | where bugs fixed in future versions are back-ported. |
| 16:27:14 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 16:27:26 | ciaolinux | cdm: ? this is new... |
| 16:27:26 | cdm | so it isn't unoffical code, just not offical releases. |
| 16:27:38 | cdm | ciaolinux: hardly. They have been doing it for ages. |
| 16:27:50 | kergoth | man, i need more coffee |
| 16:27:54 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:27:56 | ciaolinux | cdm: so now debian ftp is bugged and the rom is not... interesteing |
| 16:27:58 | scanline | should get some coffee |
| 16:27:59 | cdm | I had to do a couple when I was the Window Maker package maintainer. |
| 16:28:04 | paq | heh... hosed my oz... |
| 16:28:09 | cdm | ciaolinux: I am not agreeing with them on that actually. |
| 16:28:10 | _ibz | hola! |
| 16:28:27 | scanline | ciaolinux: it's open source, if it breaks you get to keep both pieces :) |
| 16:28:37 | ciaolinux | cdm: what is a stable distro then? as i said I have tried almost all of them... |
| 16:28:40 | paq | guess i'll stick with sharp's rom til i get the dsl installed.. |
| 16:28:48 | kergoth | paq: what happened? |
| 16:28:52 | cdm | ciaolinux: just download source to something and try it out. |
| 16:29:13 | kergoth | ciaolinux: just becuase you're seeing a failure doesnt indicate a bug, it could be a misconfiguration |
| 16:29:17 | treke|wherever | for the record, the debian patch against their ftp is about 3000 lines |
| 16:29:23 | kergoth | ciaolinux: pursue all avenues before jumping to conclusions |
| 16:29:26 | paq | kergoth - trying to upgrade opie-base from oipkg? or something.. |
| 16:29:41 | ciaolinux | cdm: well if debian ftp is different from the ufficial one, i would be so surprised that i would stop using it |
| 16:29:42 | kergoth | paq: i mean, what happened? did it drop to to the console or ..? |
| 16:29:54 | kergoth | ciaolinux: 'different' does not imply 'worse' |
| 16:30:43 | ciaolinux | kergoth: pls believe me... it doesn't work on any ftp client... you can try to use a search in the mailing list: plenty of people are complaining for the same problem |
| 16:30:56 | paq | kergoth - i selected a bunch of ipkgs to download... then left it running... midway, the taskbar and frame vanished, replaced with the black console (but the oipkg gui still remains)... |
| 16:31:10 | treke|wherever | ciaolinux: just install a real ftp server and be done with it |
| 16:31:22 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i am sure that it works on oz... but why can't you believe that there might be a bug on the 1.39 rom? |
| 16:31:33 | paq | kergoth - can't load opie after rebooting.. console login but keyboard is useless. there were some errors, want them..? |
| 16:31:35 | kergoth | ciaolinux: I work in tech support. I dont pursue a 'broken' option until i've eliminated user error as a possibility.. |
| 16:31:37 | cdm | didn't sharp disable remote ftp access int he latest ROM for security reasons? |
| 16:31:45 | kergoth | paq: ? |
| 16:31:46 | cdm | and also change the defaul IP? |
| 16:31:51 | kergoth | paq: you cant login? |
| 16:31:56 | ciaolinux | treke|wherever: as a root or as a client? |
| 16:32:02 | ciaolinux | sorry... user |
| 16:32:09 | paq | kergoth - lemme turn it on again.. |
| 16:32:12 | kergoth | ciaolinux: what interface are you trying to ftp over? |
| 16:32:27 | ciaolinux | rom 1.39 |
| 16:32:30 | kergoth | cdm: they supposedly disabled it on the wlan/eth interface only, from what i've heard. |
| 16:32:30 | treke|wherever | ciaolinux: there is one on zsi I think |
| 16:32:36 | kergoth | ciaolinux: interface != rom |
| 16:32:43 | kergoth | ciaolinux: what interface? wireless? usb? |
| 16:32:47 | ciaolinux | usb |
| 16:33:27 | kergoth | ciaolinux: i'm not saying that there isnt a bug, I just like to be sure of things before jumping to a conclusion |
| 16:33:34 | ciaolinux | cdm: if they did, they should have add ssh as a default... somehow they have to give the people the possibility to access their files |
| 16:33:56 | kergoth | ciaolinux: oh i agree, they're supposed 'security fix' is a joke. |
| 16:33:59 | kergoth | ciaolinux: pathetic |
| 16:34:14 | ciaolinux | kergoth: the point is this... the same thing that used to work on previous roms (i have tried that) doesn't work anymore... to me it is a bug |
| 16:34:35 | ciaolinux | kergoth: what is pathetic? |
| 16:34:52 | kergoth | ciaolinux: they're disabling sync on other interfaces and calling that a 'security fix' |
| 16:35:17 | paq | kergoth - wouldn't turn on without a hard reset... chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: Bad file descriptor |
| 16:35:25 | ciaolinux | kergoth: that one i agree... at least you have to give the power for the user to use it |
| 16:35:30 | kergoth | paq: do you get to a prompt? |
| 16:35:46 | paq | kergoth - yeap. cursor sends char to console, but keyboard doesnn't work |
| 16:36:17 | kergoth | paq: damn, i've never seen that behavior before. usually if an upgrade fails you just login as root and continue the upgrade. sorry to hear that |
| 16:37:41 | paq | kergoth - yeah, it's pretty weird... anyway, if i'm to install the ipkgs manually, which ones should i do first (ipkg itself, then?) ... and which ones should be done outside opie...? |
| 16:38:13 | anselor|work | paq: can you flash back to sharp's rom? |
| 16:38:34 | paq | anselor|home - shouldn't be a problem reflashing... |
| 16:39:24 | paq | lemme prep the cf.. |
| 16:39:54 | anselor | paq: just curious because i was having problems flashing mine, and when i finally got oz flashed properly i'd have crazy error similar to what you were describing. |
| 16:41:25 | paq | anselor - hmm.. upon flashing sharp's 2.38 over oz 2.9.5, it rebooted promptly and dropped to console login... i got around that just by doing hard reset.. (then it'll go thru sharp's welcome routine).. |
| 16:42:30 | anselor | ok, just curious. |
| 16:42:47 | tux_mike | oooo |
| 16:42:54 | tux_mike | they found a new planet :) |
| 16:43:09 | anselor | tux_mike: in our solar system? |
| 16:43:19 | tux_mike | yah |
| 16:43:24 | tux_mike | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2306945.stm |
| 16:43:49 | tux_mike | i don't know when it will be concidered 'official' but it's pretty convincing :) |
| 16:44:33 | anselor | would that be the planet X they've been theorizing about for years? the one that's been knocking stuff out of the oort cloud? |
| 16:44:40 | _ibz | have a look at /. too. apparently the most important scientific discovery in the past 72 yrs.! |
| 16:44:52 | paq | hmm... how do you guys 'cope' with mtdram getting cleaned everytime the unit gets reset? (it does that, doesn't it?) do you install most of your programs there, or on cf\sd, or just make extra backups... or what.. |
| 16:45:02 | tux_mike | that should read astronomical :) |
| 16:45:26 | kergoth | paq: use dd to back it up and restore it :) |
| 16:45:30 | _ibz | s/scientific/solar system discovery/ ;) |
| 16:45:41 | paq | kergoth - ok :) |
| 16:46:01 | kergoth | paq: dd if=/dev/mtd6 of=/mnt/cf/mtdram.image bs=1024 |
| 16:46:03 | kergoth | paq: :) |
| 16:46:42 | _ibz | NO DON'T DO THAT! |
| 16:46:46 | paq | hah? |
| 16:46:48 | _ibz | just kidding ;0 |
| 16:46:57 | paq | heh. |
| 16:49:46 | _ibz | question: is this a valid C program? <code>'#include "/dev/tty"'</code> ? |
| 16:51:55 | _ibz | well if anyone cares, it is, and it scared the living daylights outta me! |
| 16:54:25 | _ibz | well it is kinda anyway, if you feed it valid C code. |
| 16:55:18 | paq | heh.. |
| 16:57:12 | Coup | _ibz: and you use it for what? |
| 16:57:22 | Coup | :P |
| 17:00:23 | _ibz | Coup: for erm, prototyping ;) |
| 17:01:06 | Coup | _ibz: yeah yeay ;) |
| 17:01:26 | prpplague | kergoth`: wahoo, just cut a deal for the scan engine for my back pack |
| 17:02:01 | Coup | geenral: woo hoo, just got my tickets for the round the world trip today :) |
| 17:02:57 | Coup | to bring that on topic: and i'm taking my Z, so i need to build me a battery pack which takes AA or similar cells to power it |
| 17:03:54 | JasonNJ | argh |
| 17:04:07 | Harlekin_ | ? |
| 17:09:50 | JasonNJ | mmm drakes coffee cake. |
| 17:11:45 | paq | oh, i tried fbvncserver earlier, connected from my notebook... screen updates correctly, but i couldn't control the zaurus at all from the otebook.. what'd i do wrong? |
| 17:14:52 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: wb |
| 17:19:34 | Coup | paq: did you read the instructions? |
| 17:19:51 | Coup | paq: did you use your pen top left then bottom right to configure the driver? |
| 17:20:13 | Coup | vnc adds in an extra layer of driveriness between the pen and the Z |
| 17:21:54 | paq | instructions.. where would i find that... i only tried man and --help ;\ |
| 17:22:17 | paq | i'll look it up, thanks.. |
| 17:22:34 | JasonNJ | hey anyone wanna hear a goof |
| 17:22:36 | JasonNJ | http://forums.egullet.com/ibf/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=11505&s= |
| 17:22:44 | JasonNJ | I was interviewed on the radio last week |
| 17:22:47 | JasonNJ | NOT about the Zaurus |
| 17:23:01 | JasonNJ | for a radio show in the caribbean |
| 17:23:08 | JasonNJ | about my pet project web site |
| 17:24:43 | Neo|Work | need to get me one of these: http://kaii.info/kaii_hardware.htm :) |
| 17:25:05 | JasonNJ | good luck getting one |
| 17:25:10 | JasonNJ | they wont actually produce a unit |
| 17:25:19 | JasonNJ | strictly hardware/software platform licensing |
| 17:30:04 | Shak | hello :P |
| 17:30:12 | JasonNJ | does kismet-qt support kismet 2.6 yet? |
| 17:30:22 | Shak | pokes Coup |
| 17:32:45 | Shak | whats the cheapest Zaurus at the moment? |
| 17:34:02 | [DrEvil] | a used early 90's one |
| 17:34:41 | JasonNJ | hmm no kismet 2.6 packages for the Z yet? |
| 17:36:49 | cdm | so now we know why BZ was in India. ;) |
| 17:37:59 | Coup | HI Shak, just seen my post over at ocuk? |
| 17:38:20 | Coup | Cheapest UK Zaurus = £299+VAT from Expansys or Inmac |
| 17:39:03 | paq | gonna get some zzz... later guys... |
| 17:39:15 | Coup | l8r paq! |
| 17:41:24 | T_T | anyone know if it is ok to update my zaurus with the oz3 feed? |
| 17:41:35 | T_T | the last time i did it, i was simply screwed over |
| 17:50:12 | Shayde | okay, i think i'm gonna pay for RocketElite, dammit. i'm playing the demo like crazy. |
| 17:50:51 | JasonNJ | its a cool game |
| 17:51:26 | prpplague | Coup: btw, that was on topic, since the engine is for the Z |
| 17:52:13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: theres a kismet 2.6.1 ipk for OZ |
| 17:52:42 | JasonNJ | kergoth: might work on retail rom |
| 17:52:46 | JasonNJ | on the oz feed? |
| 17:52:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep |
| 17:53:22 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it'd work on retail rom, you'd just have to alter kismet.conf to change the capture type to prism2 |
| 17:53:51 | JasonNJ | I think kismet-qt modifies that file |
| 17:54:02 | JasonNJ | the new one that just came out allows you to select retail or OZ rom |
| 17:54:10 | JasonNJ | and prism/orinoco/other |
| 17:54:16 | JasonNJ | try playing with it |
| 17:54:58 | JasonNJ | whats the current feed addy of OZ? |
| 17:55:17 | cdm | http://kaii.info/kaii_hardware.htm |
| 17:57:01 | tux_mike | kergoth: ping |
| 17:59:43 | Shayde | --- Ping reply from kergoth : ? second(s) |
| 17:59:46 | Shayde | heh, cute. |
| 18:02:09 | JasonNJ | kergoth: the one from teh unstable feed doesnt like the sharp rom installer |
| 18:02:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i know |
| 18:02:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ipk format changed. I'll create a seperate feed for sharp rom compatibiltiy |
| 18:02:46 | kergoth | compatibility too |
| 18:03:33 | JasonNJ | I see you updated a lot of packages recently |
| 18:03:41 | JasonNJ | I havent messed with OZ in a while |
| 18:03:46 | JasonNJ | maybe I should try again |
| 18:03:57 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we switched to a completely new build system |
| 18:04:06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: and onyx4, themastermind1, and others are assisting |
| 18:04:10 | JasonNJ | cool |
| 18:04:16 | kergoth | JasonNJ: scanline added picogui packages, scummvm, xchat |
| 18:04:17 | JasonNJ | what initrd should I install? |
| 18:04:23 | T_T | anyone know if it's safe to upgrade my Z with the current oz3 feed? |
| 18:04:24 | scanline | and gnuboy :) |
| 18:04:25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: prpplague will be adding X shortly |
| 18:04:29 | kergoth | that too :) |
| 18:04:43 | prpplague | JasonNJ: yes, i tested last night, but had a network outage i had to deal with |
| 18:04:47 | JasonNJ | how you gonna switch between teh guis? |
| 18:04:48 | kergoth | T_T: pretty much, yes. wireless is in flux atm |
| 18:04:55 | prpplague | JasonNJ: i hope to start adding tonight to cvs |
| 18:05:03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'm doing a shell/dialog based boot menu now |
| 18:05:09 | JasonNJ | ah cool |
| 18:05:12 | JasonNJ | bootloader thingie |
| 18:05:25 | kergoth | "Which gui would you like?" ... with a 10 second timeout or something |
| 18:05:28 | scanline | kergoth: we'll need a way to exit from opie-login though |
| 18:05:29 | kergoth | pretty basic, but it'll do the job |
| 18:05:37 | kergoth | scanline: yes. you can now actually |
| 18:05:38 | kergoth | scanline: *but* |
| 18:05:40 | scanline | ah |
| 18:05:44 | kergoth | scanline: we're being sneaky |
| 18:05:50 | kergoth | scanline: the opie startup script never exits |
| 18:05:55 | T_T | kergoth: i'll take your word for it... |
| 18:06:04 | kergoth | scanline: it chvt 2; /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe; chvt 1; |
| 18:06:06 | T_T | kergoth: yesterday it messed up my system |
| 18:06:07 | scanline | kergoth: the /etc/init.d/opie script is nothing but sneaky :) |
| 18:06:07 | chouimat | wants a way to flash via ssh |
| 18:06:08 | JasonNJ | I'll wait a few days then |
| 18:06:11 | kergoth | scanline: in order to bring us back to a login on exit |
| 18:06:18 | JasonNJ | you updated teh kernel yet to 2.4.7? |
| 18:06:26 | kergoth | scanline: so, opie-login does something that results in an exit, but it never switches back to vt1 |
| 18:06:31 | JasonNJ | your initrd is still old |
| 18:06:43 | JasonNJ | I dont wanna update that many ipkgs |
| 18:06:45 | JasonNJ | thats dangerous |
| 18:06:52 | JasonNJ | half the time things blow up when I do that |
| 18:06:54 | scanline | kergoth: last I tried there wasn't even an exit button in opie-login, just reboot and suspend. so that's been fixed too? |
| 18:07:21 | T_T | JasonNJ: talking to me? |
| 18:09:59 | Neo|Work | http://blogs.salon.com/0001111/images/2002/10/02/worsethanwethought.jpg |
| 18:10:36 | chouimat | Neo|Work: so? |
| 18:13:08 | kergoth | scanline: yeah |
| 18:13:32 | kergoth | JasonNJ: jffs2 in 2.4.6 is shitty, makes upgrades dangerous |
| 18:13:43 | Neo|Work | chouimat: it's so called "humor". I found it mildly funny |
| 18:13:58 | anselor | Neo|Work: haha |
| 18:14:04 | anselor | i think it's funny. |
| 18:14:06 | chouimat | Neo|Work: ok |
| 18:14:32 | JasonNJ | kergoth: so should I wait until you got a new initrd and kernel? |
| 18:15:03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: most likely. I need to get past this wireless issue that was introduced when i switched to the latest hostAP drivers, then I want to tweak a coiuple minor issues, and ill release 2.9.7 |
| 18:16:00 | kergoth | JasonNJ: new opie is pretty slick, you'll like it :) |
| 18:16:27 | Harlekin_ | .-) |
| 18:16:43 | scanline | thinks the universe will implode if we convince a Sharp employee to use Opie and OpenZaurus :) |
| 18:16:49 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 18:17:04 | JasonNJ | scan: well, I coined the terms OPIE and OpenZaurus. |
| 18:17:15 | JasonNJ | and PingiZauru. |
| 18:17:26 | Harlekin_ | opiezilla .-) |
| 18:17:28 | scanline | thinks the universe will implode even moreso if a sharp employee uses gpe, X, fltk, picogui, or anything non-Qt-ish |
| 18:17:32 | scanline | JasonNJ: ah, neato |
| 18:17:59 | scanline | JasonNJ: so you're not an employee so much as you're a secret undercover OZ agent :) |
| 18:18:13 | JasonNJ | scanline: zactly |
| 18:18:20 | JasonNJ | I'm an OpenZaurus freedom fighter. |
| 18:18:31 | scanline | =) |
| 18:18:32 | JasonNJ | I'm a RastaZaurian. |
| 18:18:57 | scanline | hands JasonNJ a light saber and a plastic Tux mask |
| 18:19:51 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:20:53 | | hmmm... zfi is the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ or updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system |
| 18:20:53 | anselor | ibot zfi |
| 18:21:33 | | anselor: I forgot zfi |
| 18:21:33 | anselor | ibot forget zfi |
| 18:21:36 | kergoth | JasonNJ: Havent had much time to work on the kernel stuffs, as we've been reworking the buildsystem. now that its caught back up, I'll be able to spend time on it again |
| 18:21:46 | | OK, anselor. |
| 18:21:46 | anselor | ibot zfi is the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://zfi.zaurii.com/. It is updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system. |
| 18:21:50 | | somebody said zfi was the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://zfi.zaurii.com/. It is updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system. |
| 18:21:50 | anselor | ibot zfi |
| 18:31:00 | | benmeyer was last seen on #opie 4 days, 22 hours, 41 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: IPSec simply adds a route, correct? [Wed Oct 2 20:49:45 2002] |
| 18:31:00 | anselor | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 18:31:13 | | icefox was last seen on #opie 2 days, 22 hours, 37 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: :_D [Fri Oct 4 20:54:09 2002] |
| 18:31:13 | anselor | ibot seen icefox |
| 18:36:33 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 18:38:13 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 18:38:37 | chouimat | BigBoss: hi |
| 18:40:25 | Shayde | ya know. |
| 18:40:31 | Shayde | the Z needs an external foldy-type keyboard. |
| 18:40:59 | hash | Files: $QTDIR/lib/fonts/cyberbit_120_50_t10.qpf |
| 18:41:02 | hash | where can i get this font? |
| 18:42:57 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 18:42:57 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for cyberbit |
| 18:42:59 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'cyberbit'. |
| 18:42:59 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for cyberbit |
| 18:43:04 | | C-Kermit 8.0.201 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=418 |
| 18:43:05 | | Customizable_Keyboard 1.1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=230 |
| 18:43:06 | | cyrillic_input_and_fonts 1.4 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=406 |
| 18:43:07 | | 3 of 7 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=unicode |
| 18:43:07 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for unicode |
| 18:43:16 | | numatrix: huh? |
| 18:43:16 | numatrix | ibot: cyberbit |
| 18:43:33 | chouimat | BigBoss: heard the new Symphony X? |
| 18:43:39 | | OK, numatrix. |
| 18:43:39 | numatrix | ibot: cyberbit is http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/qpf-cyberbit-120-50-t10_2.3.0-3_arm.ipk |
| 18:43:45 | numatrix | hash: Try there. |
| 18:43:51 | hash | numatrix: thanks |
| 18:43:55 | numatrix | hash: no problem |
| 18:44:09 | hash | just wanted to see what the korean looks like in this font |
| 18:44:32 | numatrix | hash: It does all the unicode fonts fairly well. I've seen the Chinese and Arabic, and they look good. |
| 18:46:02 | BigBoss | chouimat: they have a new one? |
| 18:46:13 | BigBoss | i know they had the live one |
| 18:47:05 | chouimat | BigBoss: out november 5th. sample song on their web site |
| 18:47:29 | chouimat | BigBoss: very good one. more guitar |
| 18:48:48 | BigBoss | I really love the albums I have from them |
| 18:49:17 | BigBoss | I got the new Peter Gabriel and new Porcupine Tree last week |
| 18:49:29 | chouimat | BigBoss: www.symphonyx.com <- just in case :) |
| 18:49:48 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone |
| 18:50:12 | BigBoss | Hi Cloudchaser |
| 18:50:12 | chouimat | BigBoss: very good song to demo the z :) |
| 18:50:30 | chouimat | Hi Cloud |
| 18:50:31 | BigBoss | chouimat: I have this double VAnden Plas CD that has some great stuff on it |
| 18:50:46 | BigBoss | the 2nd CD named AcCult has a cover of some marillion songs, very nice |
| 18:50:46 | chouimat | BigBoss: don't have any of them |
| 18:50:59 | uncon | is back, rejoice (g!3h 58m 53s) : os/bx |
| 18:51:16 | BigBoss | I just got them recently, if you like Symphony X and Dream Theater, you will like them very much |
| 18:51:19 | chouimat | BigBoss: ordered the new Blaze |
| 18:51:20 | BigBoss | I also like Kamelot a lot |
| 18:51:28 | BigBoss | don't know them - what record lable? |
| 18:52:14 | chouimat | BigBoss: this Blaze Bailey former Iron Maiden singer |
| 18:52:31 | chouimat | BigBoss: the one I have SPV or something like this |
| 18:53:53 | chouimat | BigBoss: www.planetblaze.com |
| 18:54:10 | BigBoss | when did he sing for Iron Maiden? I only know Bruce as their singer |
| 18:54:52 | BigBoss | and if you don't have Star One, you *have* to get it :) |
| 18:55:37 | chouimat | BigBoss: 1995-1998. and yes I have Star ONE |
| 18:58:15 | Guest | howdy |
| 18:58:17 | BigBoss | I have tried to buy Divine Wings of Tragedy for over a year, and can't get the damn thing |
| 18:58:36 | BigBoss | hi guest - how do you like tkcJabber? |
| 18:58:37 | anggarda | anyone with recommendations on must have softwares? |
| 18:59:09 | tux_mike | god damn, linux distros have gone down the tubes |
| 18:59:13 | chouimat | BigBoss: I can have all symphony x album here in local music store ;) |
| 18:59:29 | prpplague | tux_mike: rhat8? |
| 18:59:35 | tux_mike | that's one of them |
| 18:59:36 | anggarda | tux_mike, would be talking bout rh 8? |
| 18:59:36 | prpplague | tux_mike: or in general? |
| 18:59:45 | tux_mike | but, in general, yes |
| 18:59:59 | prpplague | tux_mike: ya well, i can vouch for rhat8, it sucks |
| 19:00:11 | anggarda | LFS 4.0, is out, could always look at that. |
| 19:00:46 | tux_mike | i tried it as a previous RH supporter, and looking at it impartially. i couldn't use it more than a few days |
| 19:00:52 | BigBoss | oh suse8.1 is out today |
| 19:01:00 | tux_mike | yah |
| 19:01:07 | tux_mike | i may take a look at that |
| 19:01:14 | BigBoss | bloody nightmare of all these updated distros in the last couple weeks |
| 19:01:59 | prpplague | tux_mike: you did better than i did, i could only use it for a couple of hours before going back th rhat7.3 with a fresh kernel |
| 19:02:44 | anggarda | I installed it on a friend system who has been bugging me to do it for him. |
| 19:02:47 | anggarda | hehe |
| 19:02:59 | anggarda | He thinks rh 8 is way cool. |
| 19:03:07 | chouimat | BigBoss: I love music store here in Quebec City. lot of Heavy metal, even more record of that than the commercial radio music cds |
| 19:03:23 | BigBoss | within hours of their release people are asking for our products on that distro |
| 19:04:09 | Cloudchaser | what and you don't have the updates yet? |
| 19:04:13 | Cloudchaser | :P |
| 19:04:27 | chouimat | BigBoss: I usally tell them wait some days need to do some usability testing before :) |
| 19:04:39 | BigBoss | christ, just getting a copy can take a couple weeks |
| 19:04:43 | prpplague | BigBoss: just tar up a bunch of stuff and then garbage the crc, and when they ask whats wrong, just respond - "we tried to make our stuff as f@#% as the rest of the dist" |
| 19:04:45 | BigBoss | then we have to install it and configure it |
| 19:04:48 | Cloudchaser | i'm just kidding! |
| 19:05:03 | BigBoss | prpplague: i like that :) |
| 19:05:11 | Cloudchaser | i haven't heard anything good about rh8 |
| 19:05:23 | BigBoss | I have no idea why these distros don't make some attempt to get the versions to software partners before the public |
| 19:05:48 | BigBoss | just trying to do the rh8 beta with rh was a joke, we could never find a decent server to download with and their only answer was to keep looking for mirrors |
| 19:06:06 | BigBoss | I installed rh8 and it was dog slow and didn't recognize mouse clicks, only mouse movement |
| 19:06:14 | chouimat | BigBoss: ouch. |
| 19:06:16 | BigBoss | mandrake9 didn't recognize the mouse at all |
| 19:07:03 | anggarda | why are you folks trying out distros as they are realeased? |
| 19:07:04 | chouimat | BigBoss: one of my product is based on FreeBSD 4.5 and some asked me why I didn't use 4.6.2? I answer because |
| 19:08:29 | BigBoss | anggarda: our customers expect our products to run on the latest distro/versions, so we have no choice |
| 19:08:33 | BigBoss | gotta reboot |
| 19:08:39 | prpplague | anggarda: because ppl like BigBoss and i are in the computer biz, and customers expect bleeding edge |
| 19:08:58 | kergoth | BigBoss: I expect Digi's drivers to fail pretty badly in all the new distros. we dont have them to test it either |
| 19:09:03 | kergoth | ah well |
| 19:09:13 | anggarda | the RCs, don't they help? |
| 19:10:36 | chouimat | anggarda: sometime you pass more time tracking changes in a new release than improving your product |
| 19:10:42 | prpplague | kergoth: hey is there any reason why i couldn't do a ditty on dgrp port to set ctspace and rtspace? |
| 19:11:01 | kergoth | prpplague: none. it should work flawlessly |
| 19:11:32 | prpplague | kergoth: ditty /dev/digi/ttyh05 9600 ctspace rtspace |
| 19:12:12 | prpplague | kergoth: DIGI_GETA: invalid argument |
| 19:14:10 | kergoth | prpplague: hm, is that the correct syntax? I always put the tty last on my ditty lines, but dunno if thats required :) |
| 19:14:30 | kergoth | prpplague: obviously that indicates one of the digi specific ioctls is failing, but invalid argument isnt the most helpful of errors |
| 19:14:30 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:14:56 | kergoth | prpplague: could always try crtscts instead, which falls through to stty and gets set there, rather than using the digi specific flow method |
| 19:15:39 | Twiun | rehi |
| 19:16:16 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm able to use that syntax on epca |
| 19:16:35 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 19:16:51 | mark | hi Twiun, Cloudchaser, kergoth |
| 19:18:39 | Cloudchaser | whats news today? |
| 19:19:49 | kergoth | prpplague: dont know then.. |
| 19:23:47 | prpplague | kergoth: damit jim, i'm a software guy not a digi expert |
| 19:24:17 | chouimat | are you dead jim? |
| 19:28:26 | chouimat | wb BigBoss |
| 19:29:28 | BigBoss | ugh, my wife just got one of these cheap computers at Fry's, it's less than $300 for a 1.1ghz system pretty well loaded, but has Thiz Linux on it, which really blows |
| 19:29:38 | BigBoss | it boots up and the only login is 'root' with no supplied password |
| 19:30:01 | prpplague | gives kergoth a red trek shirt and pushes him into the digi support room |
| 19:30:12 | Onyx4 | im surprised it even works, they had a pile of them on the return counter |
| 19:30:59 | kergoth | hits prpplague with a phaser |
| 19:32:48 | BigBoss | i hope it keeps working, I hate dealing with Fry's returns |
| 19:33:52 | BigBoss | now I just have to format the drive and install something she can use |
| 19:36:34 | prpplague | kergoth: well i've tried everything i can think of with no results |
| 19:36:52 | prpplague | kergoth: oh well, lucky thing they are only using cash slip printers |
| 19:36:59 | kergoth | prpplague: the device is fine? ditty -a on it retuns data fine? |
| 19:37:06 | kergoth | prpplague: try crtscts? |
| 19:38:01 | chouimat | Sniper: ping |
| 19:38:20 | prpplague | kergoth: ya looks like the crtscts worked but not the ctspace rtspace |
| 19:38:28 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 34 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: yeah the heat is an issu [Mon Oct 7 17:03:47 2002] |
| 19:38:28 | BigBoss | ibot seen sniper |
| 19:39:55 | initq6 | can someone help me get my Z to recognize a new Linksys wcf12 compact flash wireless lan card? Please. |
| 19:44:49 | prpplague | ha, i hate to see ppl who support linux go under, but those ppl at sonicblue/frontpath deserve what they get |
| 19:45:10 | smee|h | initq6: how far have you got? have you set up networking options? |
| 19:47:29 | initq6 | smee|h: I set up the lan tcp / ip settings and also configured the wireless network settings control panel |
| 19:47:44 | initq6 | cardctl ident sees the card in the slot |
| 19:47:54 | initq6 | but no interface comes up |
| 19:50:18 | smee|h | could try ifconfig eth0 up manually to see if that works? are you using the sharp rom - I'd suggest starting syslog d and klogd if you can do that on the sharp rom |
| 19:50:58 | initq6 | There is a line for the wcf11 card in the wlan-ng.conf file, but not for the wcf12. I even tried adding one to but it didn't do anything |
| 19:51:15 | BigBoss | anyone know if WinXP is using fat32 or ntfs? |
| 19:51:52 | initq6 | eth0: unknown interface : no such device :-( |
| 19:52:44 | smee|h | initq6: ah - it's a prism II card isnt it - I guess you need a line to identify it in that conf file |
| 19:53:05 | endr | anyone point me to how to force ipkg to forget about the -dest switch used to previously install an ipk? It keeps installing to mtdram when I want root...google's no help... |
| 19:53:48 | initq6 | smee|h: I added a line to the wlan-ng.conf, do I need to add anything to any other files? |
| 19:53:51 | kergoth | endr: edit /usr/lib/ipkg/status and remove the entry for the item you're trying to install |
| 19:54:10 | initq6 | do most people run the Open Zaurus? |
| 19:54:15 | endr | kergoth thx |
| 19:54:18 | numatrix | initq6: Some do, some don't. |
| 19:55:08 | smee|h | and you have the prism2 module loaded (lsmod) |
| 19:55:12 | scanline | is away: short nap |
| 19:56:50 | endr | kergoth: weird, I removed the section, ipkg re-installed to the wrong place, and now there's no section in /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 19:57:12 | endr | aha |
| 19:57:27 | kergoth | endr: remove the entire entry for that package |
| 19:57:28 | endr | kergoth: of course it's /mnt/ram/usr/lib/ipkg/status I want...got it I think. |
| 19:57:32 | kergoth | endr: not just a single field |
| 19:57:34 | kergoth | okay |
| 19:58:33 | endr | kergoth: yup that's it...thx again |
| 19:58:36 | kergoth | np |
| 19:58:51 | initq6 | hmmm...the prism2_cs module wasn't loaded, so I tried to insmod it, and it errored with a bunch of different unresolved symbols |
| 19:59:03 | kergoth | initq6: use modprobe, not insmod |
| 20:01:19 | initq6 | oooh....ok that worked. the module loaded. I tried ifconfig eth0 up and it still says no such device. |
| 20:02:13 | endr | initq6: wlan0? guessing... |
| 20:06:07 | initq6 | crap...nope...I even restarted the pcmcia services, but didn't work. |
| 20:06:42 | Locutus4242 | initq6: just ifconfig will show you all loaded network devices |
| 20:06:55 | smee|h | I think it's eth0 with the sharp rom iirc |
| 20:07:05 | cerezu | Onyx4: I finally got my cards. |
| 20:07:15 | initq6 | only the loopback is showing |
| 20:07:24 | Onyx4 | cerezu: the 512mb? |
| 20:07:37 | cerezu | Onyx4: the 512 cf and the 128 sd |
| 20:07:46 | cerezu | Onyx4: amazon was slow... lol |
| 20:08:05 | Onyx4 | hehe yeah especially the free shipping |
| 20:08:07 | cerezu | Onyx4: when I lifted the box, it felt like nothing, those cards are light! hehe |
| 20:08:07 | Onyx4 | they warn you about that that it takes like 3-4 more days |
| 20:08:22 | cerezu | oh |
| 20:09:18 | cerezu | Onyx4: what's nice is that on my 500 mhz AMD K6, it takes about 3 minutes to compile my program and on the zaurus it takes about 5 minutes, and that's nice! |
| 20:09:30 | Locutus4242 | cerezu: when I purchased the tiny m-10 mic for my Z, it came in a huge box. ~2'x2'x3' really. :) |
| 20:09:39 | cerezu | lol |
| 20:10:46 | cerezu | my friend said that on the [H]F he read a post that this one guy got this stick of memory in a 2'x2`x4' box |
| 20:11:06 | cerezu | or a really big box, dimensions something like that |
| 20:12:12 | cerezu | Onyx4: Now I have to send a rebate into Viking Components for the 50$ rebate for buying the memory from amazon.com |
| 20:12:34 | | wireless is, like, The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 20:12:34 | smee|h | ibot wireless |
| 20:13:19 | smee|h | initq6: there are some notes there about the wcf12 |
| 20:15:00 | cerezu | lol, at risk of sounding like a newbie, is there any specific instructions on do's and don'ts for the SD memory and the CF memory with use w/the zaurus? |
| 20:15:36 | initq6 | smee|h: thanks! I will try and read up on that real quick |
| 20:20:54 | initq6 | if you are editing a file in vi and it says that /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf is busy, how would I make it unbusy? heh. |
| 20:22:09 | cerezu | flush the file streams? |
| 20:23:32 | cerezu | initq6: not too familiar with a command to do it, but you could try compiling a c program using _fcloseall or fcloseall |
| 20:24:07 | initq6 | ugh...not familiar with that |
| 20:24:57 | Wintre | initq6: fuser |
| 20:25:04 | Wintre | That will tell you which processes have the file open |
| 20:25:48 | cerezu | Wintre: fcloseall will work too, right? |
| 20:25:56 | cerezu | #include <stdio.h> |
| 20:25:56 | cerezu | int main() |
| 20:25:56 | cerezu | { |
| 20:25:56 | cerezu | int n; |
| 20:25:56 | cerezu | n = _fcloseall(); |
| 20:25:56 | cerezu | return 0; |
| 20:25:58 | cerezu | } |
| 20:26:07 | cerezu | a little fix, dunno. |
| 20:26:59 | Wintre | cerezu: It shouldn't |
| 20:27:05 | cerezu | Wintre: ? |
| 20:27:12 | Wintre | One process should not be able to affect anothers file descriptors |
| 20:27:25 | Wintre | s/thers/ther's/ |
| 20:27:34 | cerezu | Wintre: ah, i see. streams open from the current file descriptor, without flushing those streams? |
| 20:27:43 | Wintre | Huh. Seems I can't get a [ on the Z keyboard |
| 20:27:57 | cerezu | in what mode? |
| 20:28:14 | initq6 | Wintre: sweet! that worked. thanks! |
| 20:28:18 | Wintre | cerezu: I doubt they flush. The certainly don't close - but that's irrelevant |
| 20:28:46 | cerezu | Wintre: ok. was curious. |
| 20:29:09 | Wintre | cerezu: He had a problem because /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf was in use by *another* process, and you can't use a system call to cause another process to close or flush its streams of FDs |
| 20:29:26 | Wintre | I can get a ] but not a [. |
| 20:29:56 | cerezu | Wintre: yes, I understand. Not too knowledgeable of file descriptors *yet* :) thanks. |
| 20:30:17 | Wintre | cerezu: Heh. It's more a general question of processes affecting each other |
| 20:30:35 | Wintre | Imagine the havoc you could wreak if you could rearrange what files a process was reading |
| 20:30:44 | cerezu | yeah, i know. |
| 20:31:01 | Wintre | initq6: If you don't have fuser, ls -l /proc/[0-9]*/fd/* | grep |
| 20:31:03 | cerezu | but I was thinking of something different. I didn't realize *another* programs processes. |
| 20:31:07 | Wintre | Ah |
| 20:35:49 | cerezu | I hate it when those companies put the things in those hard to open plastic packaging, its a pain |
| 20:39:19 | nishi | hope they do accept the returns if that "thing" doesn't work and we had to cut open thru the hard to open plastic packaging |
| 20:39:20 | nishi | :) |
| 20:40:04 | cerezu | haha, yeah |
| 20:55:53 | nishi-away-meeti | is away: on |
| 20:57:43 | don-o | does the Zaurus support the IBM Microdrive? |
| 20:58:16 | don-o | i saw a $249 1GB microdrive and my buddy here is drooling over the ad :) |
| 20:58:33 | kergoth | don-o: yes it does, but it gets very hot and drains battery fast |
| 21:00:32 | don-o | kergoth: k. thx. |
| 21:01:07 | don-o | is there a PCMCIA card that lets you read/write SD cards? |
| 21:01:20 | Sniper | yes |
| 21:01:29 | diclophis | what does _fcloseall do? |
| 21:01:35 | initq6 | Awesome! it's working. Thanks for all the help guys. That link you sent me smee|h was the ticket! |
| 21:02:11 | smee|h | initq6: yat |
| 21:02:20 | smee|h | er, yay |
| 21:02:21 | smee|h | :) |
| 21:03:21 | kergoth | yat! |
| 21:03:32 | smee|h | hurrat! |
| 21:04:25 | chouimat | Sniper: ping |
| 21:04:41 | Sniper | pong |
| 21:05:03 | chouimat | Sniper: currently testing the antivirus port |
| 21:05:11 | Sniper | oh cool |
| 21:05:29 | diclophis | av for the z? |
| 21:05:54 | Sniper | av for ms |
| 21:06:02 | chouimat | diclophis: don't try to understand you will rot your brain :) |
| 21:06:08 | Sniper | haha |
| 21:06:20 | diclophis | hmm yea probably |
| 21:06:53 | chouimat | Sniper: and I will send you the 3 paragraphs soon :). just took the weekend off (no vacation this year so ...) |
| 21:14:16 | Sniper | ok no prob |
| 21:15:13 | | well, neotron is http://david.hedbor.org or http://eongames.com/ or mailto:david@eongames.com or mailto:david@hedbor.org |
| 21:15:13 | Sniper | ibot neotron |
| 21:15:21 | Sniper | wake up NEOTRON! |
| 21:19:18 | | well, xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
| 21:19:18 | Twiun | ibot: xcompile |
| 21:20:13 | prpplague | Twiun: make sure you read the installations notes |
| 21:20:38 | Twiun | prpplague: gotcha... all I really want is docs on the qpf file format ;-) |
| 21:21:13 | prpplague | Twiun: ohh, /me minds his own biz now |
| 21:21:39 | Twiun | prpplague: Nah, nah... it's good to know that there *is* something interesting in the notes |
| 21:22:02 | BigBoss | Sniper: thanks for the email |
| 21:24:13 | Sniper | np |
| 21:24:44 | Cloudchaser | hey i saw the pic of the zaurus case on sharp site |
| 21:24:47 | Cloudchaser | it looks pretty nice |
| 21:28:05 | kergoth | hey cloud |
| 21:28:13 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth :) |
| 21:29:16 | Cloudchaser | grr i've got my fn locked and can't remember how to unlock it |
| 21:30:01 | Rixster | locked ? |
| 21:30:10 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 21:30:19 | Cloudchaser | i hit Sh L and get ) |
| 21:30:32 | Cloudchaser | which is fn L |
| 21:31:30 | Rixster | press fn+/? |
| 21:32:07 | Rixster | (no + just at the same time) |
| 21:32:10 | Cloudchaser | oh thank you! |
| 21:32:11 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 21:32:20 | Cloudchaser | hehe i think i had everything, caps and fn locked |
| 21:32:22 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 21:32:29 | Rixster | there's a little N that appears in the bottom right corner |
| 21:32:31 | Coup-Laptop | its in the FAQ :) http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/character_input.php3 |
| 21:32:48 | Cloudchaser | ah so there is |
| 21:32:50 | Rixster | Of *course* it's in the FAQ |
| 21:32:56 | Cloudchaser | i can't remember where i put my book |
| 21:33:00 | Rixster | But just finding the FAQ - I need a FAQ for that ! |
| 21:33:02 | Cloudchaser | i *should* know it already |
| 21:33:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:34:24 | Rixster | has anyone here implemented the SWAN ipsec module ? |
| 21:34:42 | Coup-Laptop | :) Google is my friend |
| 21:34:48 | kergoth | Rixster: i think i saw freeswan on zsi. |
| 21:35:12 | Rixster | yeah - it's there - but the destructions are in German and they don't really tell ya how to do it |
| 21:35:54 | Rixster | I just want a simple VPN, via an untrusted wireless AP |
| 21:36:02 | Rixster | (aka Starbucks) |
| 21:36:10 | kergoth | Rixster: i find vtun works great |
| 21:36:12 | kergoth | Rixster: :) |
| 21:36:29 | Rixster | vtun ? on the ZSI ? |
| 21:37:12 | kergoth | Rixster: i dunno if its on zsi |
| 21:37:20 | Rixster | dya compile it yaself ? |
| 21:37:22 | Sniper | rixster: freeawan |
| 21:37:24 | Sniper | freeswan |
| 21:37:46 | Rixster | yeah - I'm trying to use freeswan, but I need an ejeets guide |
| 21:37:55 | Sniper | oh |
| 21:38:17 | Rixster | Also, I read freeswan doesn't work if you have a NATing g/way |
| 21:38:22 | Rixster | but I think it will |
| 21:38:33 | kergoth | Rixster: yes, vtun packages are available for oz, in the oz feed, i havent built a compatibility ipk for sharp yet |
| 21:38:56 | Rixster | is oz productive ? |
| 21:39:10 | kergoth | well i think so, but as its my project, i'm biased |
| 21:39:10 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:39:12 | Rixster | or is it just for fun at the mo |
| 21:39:21 | kergoth | Rixster: ? i dont waste time |
| 21:39:28 | kergoth | Rixster: we're doing this to create a more useful distribution |
| 21:39:42 | Rixster | I know, I wasn't trying to offend |
| 21:39:45 | kergoth | Rixster: its already far more capable, it just lacks some finishing touches, and opie has some bugs yet |
| 21:40:15 | Rixster | My favourite opie bug is the one where you do a server reboot |
| 21:40:23 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:40:32 | Rixster | and it never shutsdown and even the switch doesn't help |
| 21:40:39 | Rixster | then it's time for a full reboot. |
| 21:40:41 | kergoth | I have no idea what you're takling about |
| 21:40:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:41:08 | Rixster | I've just lost the RAM about 4 times in 2 weeks - but I do mess with it a lot |
| 21:41:26 | kergoth | Rixster: on what rom? |
| 21:41:47 | Rixster | let me look ..... |
| 21:42:19 | Rixster | sharp 2.37 |
| 21:42:23 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:42:29 | kergoth | thats strange |
| 21:42:30 | Rixster | bugs ? |
| 21:43:52 | Sniper | later |
| 21:46:41 | nishi | hi cc |
| 21:46:46 | nishi | how are you ? |
| 21:47:18 | Cloudchaser | fine thanks, and you? |
| 21:47:45 | nishi | fine too :) ... managed to get back to Sharp ROM 2.37 |
| 21:50:48 | nishi | can xmms on play shoutcast streams ? |
| 21:51:00 | nishi | eg yp.shoutcast.com ? |
| 21:51:14 | Cloudchaser | i don't know..never used it |
| 21:51:51 | nishi | :)) |
| 21:52:09 | Moxon | I need help with my 2.38G flashed Z. I cannot connect by ftp and syncing (qtopia-desktop 1.6 beta for linux) doesn't work, too. |
| 21:52:38 | Cloudchaser | synch over network? |
| 21:52:45 | Cloudchaser | or usb |
| 21:53:08 | Moxon | usb |
| 21:53:19 | Cloudchaser | have you ever been able to synch via usb? |
| 21:53:27 | Moxon | usb networking runsfine (telnet, even ssh works) |
| 21:53:34 | Moxon | yes, before the ROM update |
| 21:53:44 | Nighthawk98TJ | i still to round up a case for my Z... im scared it's gonna get hurt when it's in my bag bouncing around with my phone and stuff... :\ |
| 21:54:36 | Cloudchaser | Moxon: i don't really know then.. |
| 21:54:38 | Moxon | netstat tells me that qpe listens to 4242, 4243 and 4999 |
| 21:54:44 | Cloudchaser | i hvae 1.6 working fine on linux |
| 21:54:58 | Moxon | rom 2.38, too? |
| 21:55:02 | Cloudchaser | no i don't use that |
| 21:55:06 | Cloudchaser | 2.37 i use |
| 21:55:33 | Moxon | hm. 2.38 is told to fix some sync securityissues. Maybe they closed a door too much. |
| 21:55:36 | Cloudchaser | 2.38 breaks something i use |
| 21:55:46 | Moxon | same here it seems. |
| 21:55:47 | Cloudchaser | which is network synch |
| 21:55:52 | Cloudchaser | should be fine for usb |
| 21:56:18 | Moxon | yup. but itisn't. telnetting to 4242 results in a connect andimmediate connection close. |
| 21:57:37 | Cloudchaser | telnetting to 192.168.129.201:4242 doesn't work? |
| 21:57:45 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:16:37 | Moxon | Cloudchaser: sorry, forgot this window .. darn, getting old andlate :) |
| 22:16:49 | Moxon | telnetting directly doesnt work |
| 22:18:57 | nishi | anyone know if SuSE linux 8.1 is available for download via FTP anywhere on the net ? |
| 22:22:26 | cerezu | nishi: can ya help me? |
| 22:22:36 | bbeattie | If anyone here uses evolution and syncs via zesync or evolution-sync.pl, which is recommended? And is it possible to sync over an 802.11, or internet connection? (I don't want to use a cradle to sync) |
| 22:23:51 | nishi | yes cerezu : shoot I will try my best with the limited knowledge I have |
| 22:25:07 | prpplague | evening all |
| 22:25:15 | | kergoth` was last seen on #zaurus 22 hours, 33 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: hm [Mon Oct 7 00:51:55 2002] |
| 22:25:15 | prpplague | ibot: seen kergoth` |
| 22:25:19 | | kergoth`gone was last seen on #openzaurus 15 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: okay bbl [Mon Oct 7 23:09:51 2002] |
| 22:25:19 | prpplague | ibot: seen kergoth`gone |
| 22:25:22 | cerezu | nishi: I have all the OZ stuff on my CF card, but when I push the C and D keys, and push the reset, it doesnt work |
| 22:25:40 | cerezu | nishi: when I do that, only the orange light turns on. |
| 22:25:49 | nishi | hmmm |
| 22:26:11 | nishi | were you able to verify that you have FAT 16 on your CF card ? |
| 22:26:13 | cerezu | when it says [C] and [D] keys, do they mean on the keyboard? |
| 22:26:20 | nishi | yes sure they do :) |
| 22:26:22 | nishi | and together |
| 22:26:28 | cerezu | yeah, I did that. |
| 22:26:41 | nishi | on the hardware keyboard :) |
| 22:27:00 | cerezu | yeah |
| 22:27:11 | nishi | are the 3 files zImage, bootlog.txt and initrd.bin the only files on the CF ? |
| 22:27:23 | cerezu | correct |
| 22:27:28 | nishi | ok |
| 22:27:35 | cerezu | also, is it supposed to be in normal operation mode, or still replace battery mode? |
| 22:27:39 | nishi | and you have sharp rom 2.37 ? |
| 22:27:46 | cerezu | yeah |
| 22:28:06 | nishi | I think it should be replace battery mode ... cloudchaser can you please confirm ? |
| 22:29:57 | cerezu | err. the keys are so tiny that you could be pressing 4 damn keys, they made this part so difficult, heh |
| 22:30:07 | Cloudchaser | you do C+D plus the full reset |
| 22:30:20 | Cloudchaser | which means taking off battery cover and poking in the little hole |
| 22:30:26 | Cloudchaser | with your stylus tip |
| 22:30:28 | cerezu | instead of C and D, they should have done like D and F. |
| 22:30:35 | Cloudchaser | while you hold down c+d |
| 22:30:39 | cerezu | yes, but in replace battery mode or normal? |
| 22:30:54 | Cloudchaser | you can' have it in normal with battery cover off |
| 22:31:05 | Cloudchaser | and pushing the reset button |
| 22:31:09 | nishi | i think it was replace btty mode ... |
| 22:31:15 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 22:31:16 | nishi | keep the btty in place though |
| 22:31:38 | cerezu | how long do you have to hold the buttons? |
| 22:31:42 | cerezu | or push the reset button, I mean |
| 22:31:43 | Cloudchaser | yes, just flip switch, take off battery cover and push the reset |
| 22:31:56 | Cloudchaser | just push it while you hold down the c+d |
| 22:32:05 | Cloudchaser | when the lights come on release |
| 22:32:10 | Cloudchaser | not very long |
| 22:32:50 | cerezu | FINALLY |
| 22:32:53 | nishi | :) |
| 22:32:56 | cerezu | the c and d keys are damn difficult |
| 22:33:49 | cerezu | damn.. :) |
| 22:33:56 | nishi | do u see the 3 lights ... yeah they are especially if you have big nails :) |
| 22:33:59 | Rixster | otherwise you could do it to all the shop demo ones ! |
| 22:34:01 | nishi | oops 2 lights |
| 22:34:08 | nishi | hahahahaha |
| 22:34:29 | cerezu | yeah lol. |
| 22:34:41 | cerezu | they should have done d and f or z and x or something |
| 22:34:43 | cerezu | not c and d. |
| 22:34:57 | cerezu | shrug |
| 22:37:22 | | TheMasterMind1 was last seen on #openzaurus 13 seconds ago, saying: ibot new zaurus is also http://mobile1.mobilenews.ne.jp/news/2002/10/01/ceatec/01.jpg [Mon Oct 7 23:37:09 2002] |
| 22:37:22 | prpplague | ibot: seen TheMasterMind1 |
| 22:37:56 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 22:38:00 | TheMasterMind1 | whats up |
| 22:38:34 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: quick question, in the CONVERSION file it talkes about run a "bk add" i assume thats bitkeeper functionality right? |
| 22:40:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm yes |
| 22:40:13 | TheMasterMind1 | to add files |
| 22:42:48 | nishi | I have a file (of unknown type : Basically one created by Backup and Restore) and want to move it to my laptop. I copied it to my Documents tab but can't seem to be able to transfer it using Intellisync :(( |
| 22:53:42 | Xchlee | anyword on the openzaurus environment containing X11 or picogui? |
| 22:53:55 | kergoth` | Xchlee: picogui experimental OZ packages are available |
| 22:54:00 | | i heard oz picogui was http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/experimental/picogui/ - install them, kill opie, and run "pgserver" or see "picogui faq" |
| 22:54:00 | kergoth` | ibot oz picogui |
| 22:54:33 | | oz picogui is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/experimental/picogui/ - install them, kill opie, and run "pgserver" or see "picogui faq" |
| 22:54:33 | Xchlee | ibot oz picogui |
| 22:54:48 | Xchlee | thanks kergoth' |
| 22:55:11 | kergoth` | np |
| 22:55:19 | kergoth` | Xchlee: X packages are in the works |
| 22:55:28 | Xchlee | great! ;) |
| 22:55:48 | Xchlee | I've got X working fine on OZ right now... but would like to see your implementation. |
| 22:56:52 | kergoth` | Xchlee: talk to mdz or prpplague, they're working on the new packages |
| 22:56:59 | nishi | how many apps do you see for Z currently ? |
| 22:57:05 | kergoth` | nishi: look at zsi |
| 22:57:53 | nishi | oops I should rephrase that as "Xchlee: how many X apps do you see for the Z currently?" :) |
| 22:57:57 | prpplague | Xchlee: did you build x fresh? |
| 22:58:14 | nishi | handwriting recognition ? PIM apps ? |
| 22:58:20 | prpplague | nishi: technically anything that runs on the ipaq runs on z |
| 22:58:26 | kergoth` | nishi: look up the familiar project for ipaq |
| 22:59:49 | Xchlee | None really.... |
| 23:00:02 | Xchlee | a few game running software... |
| 23:00:22 | Xchlee | I wanted to get windowmaker running |
| 23:00:42 | nishi | aah I c |
| 23:00:50 | | familiar is a Linux distribution for handhelds, at http://familiar.handhelds.org or God in the palm of my hand |
| 23:00:50 | nishi | ibot familiar |
| 23:00:54 | Xchlee | and prpplague, I didn't build it fresh. |
| 23:01:30 | Xchlee | brb |
| 23:09:36 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 25 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: later [Mon Oct 7 22:43:52 2002] |
| 23:09:36 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 23:09:44 | br33zy | uh huh |
| 23:10:03 | br33zy | ibot message for sniper: anything new yet? |
| 23:10:08 | br33zy | brb |
| 23:10:22 | br33zy | is away: w a l k i n g m y d o g |
| 23:16:04 | HMS | Sorry... this is Xchlee... |
| 23:16:05 | HMS | :o) |
| 23:17:33 | HMS | kergoth: for the testing phase of the picogui, will it run on the regular Zaurus ROM as well? |
| 23:21:30 | kergoth` | HMS: ask scanline, he's the guy behind picogui |
| 23:22:03 | Harlekin | kergoth`: and try to find out who the idiot was |
| 23:26:07 | Neo|Work | wonders what Sniper wanted. |
| 23:35:07 | djk-hw_ | anybody have recommendation on wireless cards for the Z good on power and distance? |
| 23:37:12 | br33zy | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 23:37:16 | br33zy | try that |
| 23:38:38 | djk-hw_ | thank you |
| 23:38:41 | br33zy | np |
| 23:40:52 | | challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or NEW: UPDATE ON WEBSITE - SHIPPING DELAYED |
| 23:40:52 | Neo|Work | ibot challenge |
| 23:41:49 | djk-hw_ | I heard there is a deal on the NetGear and it looks to a fair proformer. ther Symbol/Socket looks great on variable power. I have the wired ethernet it is pretty good. Too bad it is not plug-in play. |
| 23:45:43 | djk-hw_ | This looks cool http://www.socketcom.com/product/DP3088-360.asp |
| 23:57:15 | ZhEN | is back (gone 04:56:25) |
| 23:57:24 | hobbs | okay, I'm going to try one more time, because this is really starting to annoy me. Does anyone have the "panicless usbdnet" patch? :) |
| 23:57:53 | TheMasterMind1 | hobbs: its in the buildroot i think |
| 23:58:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ask kergoth |
