| 00:14:51 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 00:24:22 | hardwire | blah |
| 00:24:26 | hardwire | AMUZE ME! |
| 00:24:44 | TheMasterMind1 | wassabi |
| 00:25:56 | Nighthawk98TJ | hehe, i drove around SF today for a few mins and my wireless sniffer had 54 hits on wireless networks (not all unique tho), hehe |
| 00:26:10 | ljp | sugar make hardwire a long island ice tea |
| 00:26:11 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to hardwire. |
| 00:27:08 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 19 hours, 55 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: hold up, starting X [Sat Oct 5 05:31:11 2002] |
| 00:27:08 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 00:27:24 | | kergoth` was last seen on #openzaurus 33 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: umopapisdn: bk pull in a few minutes, i'm pushing eveything in my local tree into bkbits before i leave [Sun Oct 6 00:54:22 2002] |
| 00:27:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen kergoth` |
| 00:27:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:27:33 | TheMasterMind1 | where'd he go? |
| 00:30:24 | ljp | behind the curtain |
| 00:31:11 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 00:33:44 | | well, wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 00:33:44 | bobbym | ibot wireless |
| 00:36:29 | nishi | can i transfer a file to /mnt/cf directly from intellisync ? |
| 00:36:39 | nishi | on my laptop ? |
| 00:37:31 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use scp |
| 00:37:34 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno about intellisync |
| 00:49:45 | Dessimat0r | how long should it take to write superblocks and filesystem accounting info when formatting in ext2, with a 256mb CF card? |
| 00:54:38 | | br33zy: excuse me? |
| 00:54:38 | br33zy | ibot assembly |
| 00:54:41 | | br33zy: excuse me? |
| 00:54:41 | br33zy | ibot assembler |
| 00:54:43 | br33zy | hmm |
| 00:54:45 | | asm is, like, not that difficult |
| 00:54:45 | br33zy | ibot asm |
| 00:54:52 | br33zy | lol, that helps.. |
| 00:55:07 | br33zy | anybody know any links or tutorials or ebooks or something on assembly stuff? |
| 00:55:20 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: cdm: yeah .. with them being first offering the keyboard .. uh , they would make a killing in CE market [Thu Oct 3 05:12:11 2002] |
| 00:55:20 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 00:55:29 | inomine | programmersheaven.com |
| 00:55:37 | br33zy | thanks |
| 01:00:54 | | br33zy: huh? |
| 01:00:54 | br33zy | ibot programming |
| 01:00:59 | br33zy | lol |
| 01:01:01 | | it has been said that program is software designed to complete a specific task, like a cabbage blender |
| 01:01:01 | br33zy | ibot program |
| 01:01:09 | br33zy | heh |
| 01:12:50 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 01:12:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i had an idea |
| 01:13:01 | TheMasterMind1 | could you have a little rig with the headphone/mic |
| 01:13:04 | TheMasterMind1 | to hook it up to a phone |
| 01:13:16 | TheMasterMind1 | and do audio communication to access internet |
| 01:13:25 | TheMasterMind1 | like make the noises that the phone makes over 56k |
| 01:13:27 | hardwire | yurp |
| 01:13:27 | | TheMasterMind1: sorry... |
| 01:13:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot zphone |
| 01:13:43 | TheMasterMind1 | you'd just need to write software that can interpret noises and make noises right? |
| 01:13:44 | hardwire | except.. the DSP on the phone is not really a modem :) |
| 01:13:55 | hardwire | its a little finer tuned than that |
| 01:14:01 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 01:14:03 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be shitty |
| 01:14:06 | TheMasterMind1 | but its better than nothing |
| 01:14:20 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 01:14:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i know i read about a device that worked like this to check email |
| 01:14:36 | TheMasterMind1 | like 2 years ago |
| 01:14:40 | hardwire | how about buy a cf modem |
| 01:14:45 | TheMasterMind1 | you could do that |
| 01:14:49 | TheMasterMind1 | but this is more useful |
| 01:14:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i could use it with payphones |
| 01:15:01 | hardwire | err |
| 01:15:04 | TheMasterMind1 | and don't have to worry about digital/analog phone lines |
| 01:15:09 | hardwire | so.. you wanna lug around suction cups to put on a phone |
| 01:15:11 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 01:15:15 | hardwire | bah |
| 01:15:17 | hardwire | you are a silly man |
| 01:15:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm a cheap cheap person |
| 01:15:24 | hardwire | cf modem much more practical |
| 01:15:29 | ljp | damn it, when I leave my computer alone, it keeps going into the matrix! |
| 01:15:32 | hardwire | most payphones have modem connections where you would want to use it |
| 01:15:49 | TheMasterMind1 | they don't where i would want to |
| 01:16:24 | TheMasterMind1 | its just an idea |
| 01:16:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to know the feasibility of implementing it |
| 01:17:50 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 5 hours, 14 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: sugar needs to update its recipe menu [Fri Oct 4 21:03:18 2002] |
| 01:17:50 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 01:23:55 | TheMasterMind1 | so |
| 01:24:04 | TheMasterMind1 | who wants to write a tv remote control app for the Z? |
| 01:27:16 | br33zy | why |
| 01:27:22 | br33zy | we aleady have lirc? |
| 01:27:24 | br33zy | err |
| 01:27:30 | br33zy | scratch off the '?' |
| 01:27:49 | br33zy | or do you mean a frontend to lirc? |
| 01:34:28 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 01:34:35 | TheMasterMind1 | lirc won't and doesn't workon the Z |
| 01:34:41 | TheMasterMind1 | its in the wrong IR mode and stuff |
| 01:34:42 | br33zy | it doesnt |
| 01:34:50 | br33zy | hmm |
| 01:34:51 | br33zy | nvm then |
| 01:49:38 | mrwoody | does anyone manage to sync a linux desktop with a Z? |
| 01:49:46 | mrwoody | i got a 421 error |
| 01:51:34 | TheMasterMind1 | the sharp rom sucks |
| 01:51:41 | TheMasterMind1 | the ftp thing is all fucked up |
| 01:52:06 | mrwoody | so no hope at all? |
| 01:52:14 | mrwoody | what is the best way to sync them? |
| 01:52:23 | mrwoody | chouimat|Zzzz: tell me houw you do it? |
| 01:52:39 | chouimat|Zzzz | mrwoody: didn't do it yet |
| 01:52:54 | mrwoody | you never sync your computer with your z? |
| 01:53:03 | mrwoody | how do you transfer software? |
| 01:53:11 | chouimat|Zzzz | mrwoody: CF card |
| 01:53:14 | mrwoody | chouimat|Zzzz: have you tried with the rom 1.38 |
| 01:53:22 | mrwoody | chouimat|Zzzz: you have a cf card reader? |
| 01:53:27 | chouimat|Zzzz | mrwoody: yes |
| 01:53:40 | mrwoody | how about the rom 1.38? |
| 01:53:56 | chouimat|Zzzz | mrwoody: tried 1.37/1.39/1.3a |
| 01:54:05 | mrwoody | all the same problem? |
| 01:54:11 | mrwoody | what kind of problem do you get? |
| 01:54:12 | TheMasterMind1 | use oz :) |
| 01:54:31 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: can't install with oz, here :( |
| 01:55:04 | TheMasterMind1 | sucks to be you |
| 01:55:15 | mrwoody | chouimat|Zzzz: what kind of problem do you get with the ftp? |
| 01:55:37 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: got errors. I'm using a kernel without ramdisk |
| 01:55:46 | TheMasterMind1 | what errors |
| 01:56:17 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: the software install say that it can't install on root or my cf card |
| 01:56:37 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 01:56:54 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: the gui one but the command line one work but no icon |
| 01:57:03 | TheMasterMind1 | um |
| 01:57:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 01:57:06 | mrwoody | chouimat|Zzzz: what kind of problem do you get with the ftp? |
| 01:57:20 | chouimat|Zzzz | mrwoody: didn;t try it yet |
| 01:57:35 | chouimat|Zzzz | mrwoody: don;t play often with my z too much work |
| 02:02:09 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 02:13:30 | scanline | is back (gone 09:35:30) |
| 02:15:01 | Nighthawk98TJ | grr, vi is being retarded... how do i save and exit it? |
| 02:17:31 | DaJoker | ZZ or :wq! |
| 02:17:47 | Nighthawk98TJ | hmm, that's what i thought... |
| 02:19:13 | deevee | heh |
| 02:19:20 | deevee | i still need to get around to learning vi |
| 02:20:09 | mrwoody | does anyone manage to sync from a desktop linux |
| 02:20:28 | DaJoker | yes.. with OZ |
| 02:20:41 | mrwoody | DaJoker: how about with the sharp rom? |
| 02:20:49 | DaJoker | didn't try |
| 02:20:55 | mrwoody | how difficoult is to install oz? |
| 02:21:21 | DaJoker | not very |
| 02:21:43 | mrwoody | can i use all the Z app with oz? |
| 02:21:59 | DaJoker | as far as I know, yep |
| 02:40:45 | | rumour has it oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 02:40:45 | mrwoody | ibot: oz |
| 02:42:29 | scanline | is away: Sleep, that's where I'm a scriptable object database with multidimensional dynamic inheritance! |
| 03:31:28 | deevee | god dam |
| 03:31:33 | deevee | i need to dust more often |
| 03:37:48 | Jinx | hrmm |
| 03:43:55 | treke|home | Jinx: No you dont |
| 03:44:04 | treke|home | Jinx: you just need to become more tolerant of dust |
| 04:28:43 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 8 hours, 25 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: sugar needs to update its recipe menu [Fri Oct 4 21:03:18 2002] |
| 04:28:43 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 05:11:55 | br33zy | gtg |
| 05:11:56 | br33zy | later |
| 05:11:56 | br33zy | moo |
| 05:39:24 | sloth | anyone use fbsd in here? |
| 07:08:07 | Octo | anyone know what this theme is called? |
| 07:08:17 | Octo | http://131.152.105.154/~opie/screenies/land.30381.png |
| 08:15:36 | george | my new zaurus is foobared |
| 08:15:40 | George- | grrr |
| 08:15:42 | George- | 3 dead pixels |
| 08:15:59 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 12 hours, 12 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: sugar needs to update its recipe menu [Fri Oct 4 21:03:18 2002] |
| 08:15:59 | George- | ibot seen sniper |
| 08:17:32 | George- | what's snipers email address? |
| 08:29:11 | george_ | grrr |
| 10:34:08 | mark | hi George- |
| 10:37:25 | George- | hi mark |
| 10:44:36 | George- | gtg |
| 10:44:38 | George- | cya |
| 11:24:59 | badl | hello |
| 11:26:06 | badl | all are sleeping? |
| 11:30:17 | mickeyl | mostly :) |
| 11:33:25 | badl | what time is most active? |
| 11:42:40 | ljp | monday through friday, 8 to 5 US time ;) |
| 11:42:49 | mickeyl | depends on local timezones. here (in germany), it's about 14:46, so a good time for chatting, however, in america it's kind of way too early for most people |
| 11:44:30 | | oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 11:44:30 | mrwoody | ibot: oz |
| 11:45:51 | prodigy007 | good midday |
| 11:46:11 | prodigy007 | I just lost my wlan-ng.conf file (/etc/pcmcia/), could some one please dcc it to me? |
| 11:49:51 | prodigy007 | nm, i just reinstall my zaurus |
| 11:57:10 | badl | mickeyl: it is 2am here is this to early? |
| 12:02:07 | badl | ljp: you are the clever one? |
| 12:03:53 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 12:04:44 | mickeyl | badl: depends :) |
| 12:05:15 | mickeyl | "real programmers don't need sleep... just coffee" |
| 12:05:29 | mickeyl | is getting one |
| 12:08:51 | badl | hello Cloudchaser |
| 12:09:42 | Dessimat0r | yo |
| 12:09:48 | badl | sup' |
| 12:10:05 | Dessimat0r | I found out causes the dreaded freezing on reboot |
| 12:10:08 | Dessimat0r | its Samba. |
| 12:10:17 | badl | yeah |
| 12:10:31 | Dessimat0r | if you have the service started up, then it cannot close it on reboot :/ |
| 12:10:48 | Dessimat0r | how to get around this? |
| 12:10:48 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 12:10:48 | badl | any reason for not closing? |
| 12:10:48 | Cloudchaser | hmm i never had any problems with that |
| 12:11:06 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 12:11:06 | Cloudchaser | i had samba on the z for a while and never had reboot problem |
| 12:11:09 | badl | try kill the process |
| 12:11:17 | Dessimat0r | I've just done some tests, with Samba started |
| 12:11:24 | Dessimat0r | and Samba not started |
| 12:11:29 | Dessimat0r | its frozen every time its been started |
| 12:11:34 | Cloudchaser | i don't have it on there now, because i have no windows machines left |
| 12:11:58 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: thats what i like t hear "no windows machines" |
| 12:12:05 | badl | is the daemon being shut down before reboot? |
| 12:12:12 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 12:12:24 | Cloudchaser | hehe well i do have 1 left for the few things i can't do on linux yet |
| 12:12:30 | Cloudchaser | i just don't use it much |
| 12:12:46 | Dessimat0r | dunno, its kinda hard to check when its rebooting ;) |
| 12:13:09 | Dessimat0r | 0wnage, my CF is now ext2 |
| 12:14:21 | badl | Dessimat0r: is there a script in /etc/rc.d/rc6.d to kill the samba daemon before reboot? |
| 12:14:26 | Dessimat0r | hold on |
| 12:16:54 | Dessimat0r | yeah, in rc2.d |
| 12:17:02 | Dessimat0r | S55samba |
| 12:17:12 | Dessimat0r | I'm on openzaurus ;) |
| 12:17:24 | badl | Dessimat0r: yeah that STARTS samba ... but in rc6.d are the shutdown KILL scripts |
| 12:17:29 | badl | ahhh |
| 12:18:59 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 12:19:01 | Dessimat0r | hold on |
| 12:20:27 | Dessimat0r | my Z just froze |
| 12:20:32 | Dessimat0r | rebooting now.. |
| 12:20:45 | badl | hehe |
| 12:20:57 | Dessimat0r | my system went into suspend |
| 12:20:57 | badl | i have only had 1 freeze in like 6 months |
| 12:20:57 | Dessimat0r | then would not come out of it |
| 12:20:57 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 12:20:59 | Dessimat0r | kept coming on for a second |
| 12:21:03 | Dessimat0r | then went back off |
| 12:21:03 | badl | but i run sharp rom |
| 12:21:10 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 12:21:23 | Cloudchaser | i'm using sharp rom also |
| 12:21:39 | badl | rock solid ;) |
| 12:22:21 | Dessimat0r | i am missing shutdown scripts for samba |
| 12:22:25 | Dessimat0r | in rc6.rc |
| 12:22:31 | Dessimat0r | rc6.d |
| 12:22:31 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 12:22:48 | badl | Dessimat0r: find one and give that a go... |
| 12:23:01 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 12:36:14 | badl | Dessimat0r: you there? |
| 12:59:28 | Harlekin | huhu |
| 13:02:54 | smee|h | hm, what are good options to nfs mount with? |
| 13:03:03 | smee|h | my mounts are talking ages |
| 13:04:02 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 13:04:03 | Dessimat0r | got samba to work |
| 13:04:03 | Dessimat0r | seems tempermental tho |
| 13:04:03 | Dessimat0r | Done your thing, but I'm transferrting files to the cf atm tho ;) |
| 13:04:09 | Dessimat0r | so I haven't had a chance to reboot |
| 13:08:14 | Dessimat0r | bloody hell, what is the upload speed of USB? |
| 13:09:08 | Dessimat0r | its taking like 5 mins to move across a single mp3 onto ext2 |
| 13:09:21 | Dessimat0r | over samba |
| 13:12:27 | TheMasterMind1 | smee|h: -o nolock |
| 13:12:37 | smee|h | TheMasterMind1: ah...thanks |
| 13:12:44 | TheMasterMind1 | Dessimat0r: 12MB, but samba is a shitty slow protocol |
| 13:13:07 | TheMasterMind1 | and if you're transferring to SD card, its even slower |
| 13:13:28 | smee|h | heh, that was 100% faster |
| 13:14:16 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 13:16:11 | badl | what is a good song to download |
| 13:16:51 | ljp | any metallica |
| 13:17:15 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 13:18:16 | badl | vanilla coke! |
| 13:18:55 | smee|h | busybox tar wont let me exclude directories |
| 13:20:23 | TheMasterMind1 | smee|h: ofcourse not |
| 13:21:03 | smee|h | heh, I wouldnt complain except that http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html suggests there's a --exclude option |
| 13:21:49 | smee|h | TheMasterMind1: how do you do backups ? |
| 13:23:01 | TheMasterMind1 | you probably have an old busybox |
| 13:23:03 | TheMasterMind1 | what rom? |
| 13:23:57 | smee|h | the 2.9.5.5 oz one immediately after an ipkg upgrade |
| 13:24:03 | smee|h | (hence the backup lust) |
| 13:24:58 | TheMasterMind1 | that's old as shit |
| 13:25:00 | | i heard optimized was new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 13:25:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot optimized |
| 13:25:04 | TheMasterMind1 | use that release |
| 13:25:11 | TheMasterMind1 | or upgrade from that feed |
| 13:25:23 | smee|h | TheMasterMind1: hm... I dont hang out here enough lately :) |
| 13:26:20 | smee|h | grabs that initrd.bin |
| 13:27:01 | smee|h | thanks |
| 13:34:06 | Dessimat0r | does ext2 make your CF card slow as shite? |
| 13:34:08 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 13:36:19 | smee|h | not that tar now has any more options ;) |
| 13:44:42 | George- | are there any tools for running yer own feed? |
| 13:45:20 | smee|h | George-: apache? ;) |
| 13:45:38 | George- | uhm |
| 13:45:43 | George- | to make the Packages file :) |
| 13:45:56 | smee|h | ah |
| 13:47:02 | smee|h | I just run ipkg info |
| 13:56:46 | George- | crap |
| 13:56:50 | George- | it's chouimat |
| 13:56:52 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:56:55 | George- | chouimat: my new z has 2 dead pixels :( |
| 13:57:07 | chouimat | George-: don't start |
| 13:57:15 | George- | chouimat: ? |
| 13:57:39 | chouimat | George-: not in schoool? |
| 13:57:45 | mark | George-: yes, there are, of course |
| 13:57:55 | George- | chouimat: no |
| 13:58:02 | George- | mark: ? |
| 13:58:03 | chouimat | crap |
| 13:58:09 | mark | George-: mkpackages? |
| 13:58:18 | George- | oh right ;) |
| 13:58:21 | George- | lol |
| 13:58:24 | George- | bbl |
| 13:58:30 | George- | I'm going to go jump of a cliff |
| 14:01:23 | chouimat | NOT HIM <- the sound of the cliff seeing George- |
| 14:01:29 | chouimat | :) |
| 14:01:33 | George- | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 14:01:45 | mark | heh |
| 14:02:16 | mark | how do I prove 10^3+x is always bigger than 99x + 297? |
| 14:02:32 | mark | (x being a positive real integer) |
| 14:02:43 | Dessimat0r | My zaurus has 76,800 dead pixels |
| 14:04:56 | Dessimat0r | 10 ^ 3 + x > 99x + 297 |
| 14:05:21 | Dessimat0r | 10 ^ 3 > 99x + 297 - x |
| 14:05:27 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:05:51 | Dessimat0r | dunno |
| 14:06:26 | George- | Dessimat0r: typical |
| 14:06:41 | George- | mark: the answer is 42. |
| 14:06:43 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:06:50 | mark | Dessimat0r: 10^(3+x) |
| 14:07:10 | George- | nuhduhv |
| 14:07:11 | mark | its todo with the fact that 10^(3+x) rises exponentially, but i dont know how to prove it :() |
| 14:07:13 | George- | hello |
| 14:07:14 | Dessimat0r | thats why I failed AS |
| 14:07:18 | Dessimat0r | AS Maths ;) |
| 14:07:23 | nadav | hey george |
| 14:07:33 | mark | Dessimat0r: heh, oh dear |
| 14:07:40 | George- | uhm |
| 14:07:42 | George- | lemme think |
| 14:07:43 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:07:57 | George- | 10^(3+x) > 99x + 297..? |
| 14:08:00 | George- | :) |
| 14:08:21 | mark | George-: well thats useful |
| 14:08:31 | mark | ;-0 |
| 14:08:33 | mark | :-) |
| 14:08:40 | George- | hah |
| 14:08:42 | George- | I win |
| 14:08:44 | George- | I am useful! |
| 14:08:47 | George- | I am so kind |
| 14:12:42 | Dessimat0r | i have thought up the most useful equation in the world |
| 14:12:54 | Dessimat0r | x + 1 = x - 1 + 2 |
| 14:13:03 | George- | LOL |
| 14:13:13 | George- | how about, er... |
| 14:13:18 | George- | 1 + 2 = 2 + 1 |
| 14:13:18 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:13:20 | George- | :) |
| 14:13:23 | Dessimat0r | :) |
| 14:13:31 | George- | 1 = 1 |
| 14:13:35 | George- | 1^1 = 1 |
| 14:13:45 | George- | 1^1^1^1^1^1^1^1^1 = 1 |
| 14:13:54 | Dessimat0r | the quadratic equation must be the most fucked up piece of crap in the universe |
| 14:13:55 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 14:13:57 | George- | 1*10^0 = 1 |
| 14:14:11 | George- | 99 - 98 = 1 |
| 14:14:12 | Dessimat0r | i will personally travel back in time and kill the person who made it |
| 14:14:16 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 14:14:22 | George- | ? |
| 14:14:45 | Dessimat0r | the quadratic equation ;) |
| 14:15:05 | mark | Dessimat0r: the quadratic equation is bloody useful |
| 14:15:13 | Dessimat0r | http://mosascii.com/sd/casemod/casemod.htm |
| 14:15:14 | Dessimat0r | yeah, but it makes maths super hard |
| 14:15:17 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:15:23 | Dessimat0r | if it wasnt there |
| 14:15:25 | mark | lol, they're easy |
| 14:15:28 | Dessimat0r | then a lot of stuff couldnt be done |
| 14:15:38 | Dessimat0r | so we wouldnt have to do any crap ;) |
| 14:16:29 | mark | Dessimat0r: wow, that rocks |
| 14:16:56 | Dessimat0r | yeah :D |
| 14:17:19 | mark | nice cheap little systems there :) |
| 14:17:44 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:17:57 | Dessimat0r | thye aint mine ;) Its off Slashdot |
| 14:18:09 | mark | i figured that :P |
| 14:18:36 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:19:23 | Dessimat0r | I wish they were mine tho :( |
| 14:19:35 | mark | hehe |
| 14:19:42 | mark | yeh, that'd be nice and quick compiling kde on :) |
| 14:20:01 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 14:20:59 | George- | oh solaris? ;) |
| 14:21:04 | George- | s/oh/on |
| 14:21:47 | mark | George-: kde runs on solaris |
| 14:22:00 | George- | i know |
| 14:22:09 | mark | so whats the problem? |
| 14:22:14 | George- | but i heard solaris wasn't that good |
| 14:23:46 | chouimat | yurk! 7C this morning was 19C yesterday |
| 14:24:16 | George- | chouimat: you said that 2 days ago... |
| 14:24:47 | chouimat | George-: the weather is sick here |
| 14:26:34 | chouimat | hehe my cat try to catch the scroll line |
| 14:36:32 | Dessimat0r | thye need to build a ground to space tunner, of some sort, so that warm air can be escaped into space whenever we choose ;) |
| 14:36:37 | Dessimat0r | tunnel |
| 14:37:46 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 14:37:50 | _ibz | Dessimat0r: are you letting off wind? that's nasty. |
| 14:51:13 | smee|h | my CF card says 'usb enabled' on it ... what does that mean? |
| 14:51:40 | smee|h | surely it;s the reader that's usb enabled |
| 14:53:36 | Dessimat0r | er |
| 14:53:36 | Dessimat0r | that cant be good |
| 14:53:38 | prpplague | yeeee doggie, man that was fun |
| 14:53:40 | chouimat | wb everybody |
| 14:53:53 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 14:54:08 | Dessimat0r | wb |
| 14:54:49 | | OK, chouimat. |
| 14:54:49 | chouimat | ibot netsplit is the disease of the 21st century |
| 14:55:42 | | Dessimat0r: excuse me? |
| 14:55:42 | Dessimat0r | ibot we like to fart |
| 14:56:19 | | OK, Dessimat0r. |
| 14:56:19 | Dessimat0r | ibot farts are lovely |
| 14:56:36 | | farts are lovely |
| 14:56:36 | Dessimat0r | ibot farts |
| 14:57:01 | deevee | heh |
| 14:58:02 | | ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 14:58:02 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 14:58:59 | frankps | hi all |
| 14:59:02 | frankps | http://www.mobilenews.ne.jp/news/2002/10/01/ceatec/01sharp.html |
| 15:00:09 | mark | frankps: there is a translated version of that somewhere |
| 15:00:35 | prpplague | see topic |
| 15:01:46 | mark | it looks cool that thing |
| 15:01:55 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:03:44 | frankps | There's also a small news over at infosync.no |
| 15:04:57 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 15:06:02 | mark | i hope sharp haven't given up on the US market |
| 15:07:11 | prpplague | mark: that makes two of us |
| 15:08:09 | prpplague | sometimes i think i curse products and tv shows, because the ones i like always get discontinued or cancelled |
| 15:12:37 | ljp | I dont think sharp will giv eup on the us market, but I doubt they will release too many more rom updates for the 5000d and 5500 |
| 15:14:24 | frankps | I hope that Zaurus soon will find that there is a marked called Norway |
| 15:14:34 | frankps | I had to buy mine in England |
| 15:15:33 | frankps | Thinking of upgrading from 5000 to 5500, or perhaps wait for this new one |
| 15:16:39 | | Dessimat0r: sorry... |
| 15:16:39 | Dessimat0r | ibot: nanoweb |
| 15:16:44 | Nighthawk98TJ | do most people run the stock Zaurus rom? |
| 15:19:44 | prpplague | Nighthawk98TJ: i for one don't use the sharp rom on any of my 8 z's |
| 15:19:53 | Nighthawk98TJ | prpplague: which do you use? |
| 15:20:05 | ljp | why do you have 8 z's? |
| 15:20:46 | prpplague | ljp: building software/hardware and field testing |
| 15:21:00 | prpplague | ljp: i usually have 4 in the field and 4 in the office |
| 15:21:17 | prpplague | Nighthawk98TJ: i use OpenZaurus |
| 15:21:25 | Nighthawk98TJ | is that the same as opie? |
| 15:21:54 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 19 hours, 18 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: sugar needs to update its recipe menu [Fri Oct 4 21:03:18 2002] |
| 15:21:54 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 15:21:59 | br33zy | errr |
| 15:22:00 | prpplague | Nighthawk98TJ: well as i understand it you can run opie/qt on OpenZaurus, but i use tiny-x |
| 15:22:20 | Nighthawk98TJ | prpplague: ok, so why do you choose to run OZ instead of the Sharp ROM? |
| 15:24:22 | prpplague | Nighthawk98TJ: because i have much more control over what goes into the rootfs |
| 15:24:45 | Nighthawk98TJ | prpplague: ok |
| 15:26:51 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 15:28:15 | prpplague | chouimat: what did i say that was funny? :) |
| 15:28:34 | chouimat | prpplague: must be a flashback of yesterday weed |
| 15:29:33 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh ok |
| 15:31:44 | prpplague | anyone in use fltk? |
| 15:32:11 | chouimat | anyone want zorks2? |
| 15:34:11 | prpplague | ljp: hey you were wanting gpe on z right? |
| 15:34:18 | ljp | sure |
| 15:34:26 | hardwire | blah |
| 15:34:50 | prpplague | ljp: would you be interested in a fltk version of gpe? |
| 15:35:18 | hardwire | make an sdl based one |
| 15:35:29 | hardwire | using some simple sdl tk |
| 15:35:31 | ljp | wouln not really know the difference |
| 15:35:32 | hardwire | heh |
| 15:37:00 | prpplague | hardwire: as i understand it, a sdl version of fltk is on the horizon |
| 15:37:10 | | it has been said that raid is (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives) A manipulation of SCSI technology that allows you to combine several hard drives for use as one. The benefits can be either speed increase or failsafe (so that if one drive dies or crashes you don't lose your data), or a combination of both. |
| 15:37:10 | Fatbum | ibot raid |
| 15:38:22 | nodaOnZ | Moo! |
| 15:38:31 | prpplague | poo |
| 15:38:46 | chouimat | Meoooow! |
| 15:41:17 | nodaOnZ | decides to clean up the wires under his desk today. |
| 15:41:57 | ljp | has given up straightening the cables on the floor |
| 15:42:35 | Fatbum | chews on the cables |
| 15:42:36 | nodaOnZ | Well okay, not exactly clean up.... But I gotta find a way to squish them into a smaller amount of space :P |
| 15:43:19 | ljp | you can pile stuf fon top, so you cant see the pile of wires |
| 15:43:46 | nodaOnZ | I don't have ten feet squared worth of stuff to pile on top :P |
| 15:44:11 | hardwire | prpplague hmm.. I don't much like fltk's style in the first place |
| 15:44:24 | hardwire | but it would be nice to have something that groks fltk |
| 15:44:29 | hardwire | and does not need nano-x |
| 15:45:07 | tux_mike | http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php3?ID=4853 Arrrr matey! |
| 15:46:23 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 15:46:43 | prpplague | hardwire: you know fltk doesn't have to have nano-x, it runs unders xfree86 as well |
| 15:47:05 | prpplague | hardwire: just out of curiosity, what is it about fltk's style that you don't like? |
| 15:47:48 | hardwire | tux_mike: I like how they have tons of links on the bottom to software/equipment and their prices (for pirateing) |
| 15:48:11 | hardwire | prpplague oh I know it runs under quite a few things |
| 15:48:24 | tux_mike | heh :) |
| 15:48:49 | hardwire | I dunno.. all the themes.. if there have ever been themes.. have been pretty bland .. and I wouldn't expect much fun effects out of them like I could get from like picogui |
| 15:48:58 | imm | hi |
| 15:49:01 | hardwire | it is of course the fast light tool kit |
| 15:49:06 | | optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 15:49:06 | imm | ibot optimized |
| 15:49:20 | hardwire | you can /msg ibot |
| 15:49:25 | prpplague | hardwire: ohh, see i don't care for themes, guess thats why i like it |
| 15:49:31 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 15:49:31 | chouimat | imm: hi |
| 15:49:35 | hardwire | you are hereby givin 15 seconds to say something cool to this channel |
| 15:49:41 | hardwire | otherwise you are just a bot abuser |
| 15:49:42 | TheMasterMind1 | sex |
| 15:49:46 | hardwire | heh |
| 15:50:11 | hardwire | prpplague: in the fantasy land I come from.. pretty and functionality should go hand in hand |
| 15:50:18 | chouimat | where to get opie player2? |
| 15:50:24 | hardwire | that doesn't explain why I used ion for quite some time |
| 15:50:27 | Harlekin | chouimat: zsi |
| 15:50:42 | chouimat | Harlekin: thanks |
| 15:50:47 | | i guess op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 15:50:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot op2 |
| 15:50:47 | hardwire | but i would love to just make matchbox pretty.. |
| 15:50:47 | prpplague | hardwire: hmm, i always thought that the fltk base was pretty, lol |
| 15:50:55 | hardwire | give gpe a pretty theme |
| 15:51:02 | hardwire | and just call that PDA part of it good :) |
| 15:51:03 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone interested in writing a frontend to mplayer/ |
| 15:51:05 | | teax was last seen on #zaurus 18 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: TheMasterMind1: i tried to call mplayer-start then mplayerx but mplayer doesn't get the keyboard input [Tue Sep 17 19:16:51 2002] |
| 15:51:05 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen teax |
| 15:51:07 | | ksd was last seen on #zaurus 22 days, 15 hours, 11 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: hi TheMasterMind1 [Sat Sep 14 01:39:46 2002] |
| 15:51:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen ksd |
| 15:51:11 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 15:51:21 | TheMasterMind1 | he was going to write one but he hasn't been here in a while |
| 15:51:48 | Fatbum | hey did i miss a official release/ |
| 15:51:50 | Fatbum | ? |
| 15:52:09 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 15:52:14 | TheMasterMind1 | there's the optimized release |
| 15:52:16 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use that |
| 15:52:19 | Fatbum | how recent? |
| 15:52:21 | Fatbum | like a week |
| 15:52:22 | Fatbum | ? |
| 15:52:24 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 15:52:25 | TheMasterMind1 | or so |
| 15:52:26 | Fatbum | k |
| 15:52:27 | Fatbum | got it |
| 15:52:27 | chouimat | Harlekin: which should I get? |
| 15:52:32 | TheMasterMind1 | or use onyx's feed |
| 15:52:35 | TheMasterMind1 | its newer i think |
| 15:52:52 | Harlekin | chouimat: the one fitting for your rom |
| 15:52:59 | hardwire | humperdink |
| 15:53:00 | hardwire | humperdink |
| 15:53:00 | hardwire | humperdink |
| 15:53:06 | Harlekin | chouimat: or wait maybe, i think ill push another one out today |
| 15:53:22 | chouimat | Harlekin: ok, I have a 5000D with oz |
| 15:53:27 | hardwire | prpplague is X nearly in the build system? |
| 15:53:46 | hardwire | I snagged X from CVS the other day then didn't get the chance to go on atleast trying to compile TinyX |
| 15:53:52 | Harlekin | chouimat: chchowhich ram setup? |
| 15:53:55 | hardwire | it took most of the day just to snag from CVS |
| 15:54:03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:54:05 | chouimat | Harlekin: no ram disk |
| 15:54:14 | TheMasterMind1 | almost as bad as konq/e |
| 15:54:23 | hardwire | almost as bad |
| 15:54:28 | hardwire | lets try 5 times worse |
| 15:54:29 | imm | chouimat: holla |
| 15:54:33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:54:34 | Harlekin | chouimat: wait for the next version |
| 15:54:35 | chouimat | imm: hi |
| 15:54:37 | Harlekin | today / tomorrow |
| 15:54:40 | chouimat | Harlekin: ok |
| 15:54:58 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: use mplayer while you wait :) |
| 15:55:01 | Harlekin | chouimat: found some more 7 mb mem which i could squeze out |
| 15:55:24 | chouimat | just need a mp3 player |
| 15:55:37 | Harlekin | chouimat: oh, then the old op |
| 15:55:41 | Harlekin | chouimat: or mpg123 |
| 15:55:54 | chouimat | Harlekin: where is the old op? |
| 15:56:05 | smee|h | is the best mplayer package the ZSI one? |
| 15:56:06 | Harlekin | chouimat: should be in oz feed |
| 15:56:19 | prpplague | hardwire: yes, i'm hoping to start checking in some stuff this evening |
| 15:56:22 | chouimat | hardwire: ok |
| 15:56:22 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: looks like you like ugly hacks |
| 15:56:29 | prpplague | hardwire: i finially got my buildroot working again |
| 15:56:29 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:56:45 | prpplague | hardwire: i've started converting my .mk's over to the new buildroot system |
| 15:57:21 | imm | great googeli moogeli ! |
| 15:57:45 | TheMasterMind1 | smee|h: no, its not |
| 15:57:55 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin: heh |
| 15:58:03 | TheMasterMind1 | you're just jealous cuz mplayer is so much better |
| 15:58:09 | chouimat | imm: ? |
| 15:58:11 | smee|h | TheMasterMind1: didnt think so - iirc you have one |
| 15:58:13 | TheMasterMind1 | and you can't understand any of the code |
| 15:58:25 | smee|h | hehe |
| 15:58:36 | | zfi is probably the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ or updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system |
| 15:58:36 | chouimat | ibot zfi |
| 15:58:40 | imm | chouimat: thats one have to say while flashing his rom |
| 15:58:53 | imm | chouimat: otherwise it wont work |
| 15:58:58 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/mplayer_0.90pre7-1e_arm.ipk |
| 15:59:02 | | ...but mplayer is very overrated... |
| 15:59:02 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot mplayer is http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/mplayer_0.90pre7-1e_arm.ipk |
| 15:59:06 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 15:59:08 | | TheMasterMind1: I forgot mplayer |
| 15:59:08 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot forget mplayer |
| 15:59:10 | | OK, TheMasterMind1. |
| 15:59:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot mplayer is http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/mplayer_0.90pre7-1e_arm.ipk |
| 15:59:25 | chouimat | anyone try xmms? |
| 15:59:36 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin: is ofileselecter finished yet? |
| 15:59:37 | smee|h | yay - thanks TheMasterMind1 |
| 15:59:59 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: getting closer |
| 16:00:03 | Harlekin | 95% |
| 16:00:04 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 16:00:11 | DaJoker | chouimat: yep, I use xmms.. works fairly well |
| 16:00:13 | Harlekin | now people need to write plugins |
| 16:00:17 | Harlekin | like http ftp etc |
| 16:00:20 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 16:00:22 | Harlekin | or differnet views |
| 16:00:28 | TheMasterMind1 | documents tab will eventually become that right? |
| 16:01:11 | Rince | hiho |
| 16:02:22 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: yes, as soon as classic view is finished |
| 16:03:48 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 16:05:46 | TheMasterMind1 | btw |
| 16:05:51 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone who wants kismet 2.6.1 |
| 16:05:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i have it |
| 16:05:56 | Fatbum | me me |
| 16:05:57 | Fatbum | me |
| 16:06:01 | Fatbum | ./me me |
| 16:06:02 | Fatbum | that is |
| 16:06:08 | TheMasterMind1 | and if you have a symbol or socket card |
| 16:06:12 | TheMasterMind1 | that uses spectrum24 |
| 16:06:18 | Fatbum | um....prism :( |
| 16:06:20 | TheMasterMind1 | we've fixed it so you can use kismet with em now |
| 16:06:26 | Fatbum | oh oh |
| 16:06:27 | Fatbum | ok |
| 16:06:31 | Fatbum | still wants |
| 16:06:33 | Fatbum | DEATH! |
| 16:06:59 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/kismet_2.6.1-1b_arm.ipk |
| 16:07:10 | smee|h | er, what'm I doing wrong: |
| 16:07:16 | smee|h | # ipkg install mplayer_0.90pre7-1e_arm.ipk |
| 16:07:16 | smee|h | Terminated |
| 16:07:20 | | ...but kismet is http://www.kismetwireless.net/... |
| 16:07:20 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot kismet is for OZ: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/kismet_2.6.1-1b_arm.ipk |
| 16:07:23 | smee|h | why terminated? |
| 16:07:25 | | okay, TheMasterMind1. |
| 16:07:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot kismet is also for OZ: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/kismet_2.6.1-1b_arm.ipk |
| 16:07:31 | TheMasterMind1 | smee|h: good question |
| 16:07:38 | | kismet is http://www.kismetwireless.net/ or for OZ: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/kismet_2.6.1-1b_arm.ipk |
| 16:07:38 | Fatbum | ibot kismet |
| 16:07:41 | TheMasterMind1 | never seen that before |
| 16:07:59 | smee|h | been geting today with local ipks |
| 16:08:16 | smee|h | ipkg version 0.99.34 |
| 16:09:04 | Fatbum | any1 had experience with the shuttle computers? |
| 16:09:26 | TheMasterMind1 | smee|h: hmm, that's an old ipkg |
| 16:09:29 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 16:09:30 | TheMasterMind1 | ipk |
| 16:09:32 | TheMasterMind1 | the mplayer ipk that is |
| 16:09:38 | TheMasterMind1 | might just be broke |
| 16:09:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm building mplayer pre8 |
| 16:09:59 | Fatbum | any1 use redhat 8? |
| 16:10:03 | | i think redhat is a linux distribution (http://www.redhat.com/) or one of the "primer" versions of linux till you learn enough to use debian. or sucks or a waste of money or a waste of time or messy |
| 16:10:03 | Fatbum | ibot redhat |
| 16:10:05 | | Fatbum: sorry... |
| 16:10:05 | Fatbum | ibot redhat 8 |
| 16:10:09 | Harlekin | Fatbum: lol |
| 16:10:16 | chouimat | is reverting to sharp rom |
| 16:10:17 | Harlekin | Fatbum: not anybody with free will |
| 16:10:17 | Fatbum | riiiight |
| 16:10:29 | Fatbum | it sucks? |
| 16:10:42 | smee|h | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 16:10:46 | imm | chouimat: not happy with oz ? |
| 16:10:49 | Nighthawk98TJ | in vi, how do i stop editing so i can do wq! ? |
| 16:10:58 | chouimat | imm: just killed it |
| 16:11:06 | tux_mike | escape |
| 16:11:09 | Nighthawk98TJ | thx |
| 16:11:14 | imm | chouimat: i killed sharp rom several times :) |
| 16:11:40 | chouimat | imm: and just got a call to show my z so I showing the stock rom :) |
| 16:11:54 | imm | whats the best way to install software ? |
| 16:12:19 | chouimat | imm: create a feed on your cf card |
| 16:12:43 | imm | chouimat: thats sounds clever, how can i do that ? |
| 16:13:49 | Nighthawk98TJ | does the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file get executed on boot on the Z? |
| 16:14:14 | Nighthawk98TJ | hmm, apparently not |
| 16:14:34 | Fatbum | wonders why not to use redhat 8 |
| 16:14:58 | | imm: what? |
| 16:14:58 | imm | ibot howtoes |
| 16:15:04 | | i heard howtos was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 16:15:04 | imm | ibot howtos |
| 16:15:09 | Nighthawk98TJ | why file can i put my lines to mount my samba shares in so they mount on boot of the Z? |
| 16:15:22 | Nighthawk98TJ | what* |
| 16:16:09 | Nighthawk98TJ | anyone? |
| 16:17:22 | Nighthawk98TJ | ahh, the fstab |
| 16:17:41 | chouimat | imm: oz? |
| 16:20:30 | imm | chouimat: yep |
| 16:20:45 | imm | is there a ipkg-make-index for the new ipk format ? |
| 16:21:33 | Nighthawk98TJ | in vi, how do i backspace or delete text? when i use backspace it just moves over the text and does not remove it... |
| 16:21:44 | chouimat | imm: in buildroot-oz |
| 16:22:13 | chouimat | imm: echo src cf file:/mnt/cf >> /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 16:23:08 | Nighthawk98TJ | someone must know how to remove text from a text file.... |
| 16:23:42 | Nighthawk98TJ | ig ot it now |
| 16:24:14 | Nighthawk98TJ | time to see if the fstab mounts my sheet |
| 16:30:15 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: you can't show off your Z with oz on it |
| 16:30:16 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 16:30:22 | hardwire | whooooooooooooot |
| 16:30:24 | hardwire | on a stick |
| 16:30:41 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 16:30:44 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you redo in VIM |
| 16:31:05 | imm | ctrl R |
| 16:32:12 | Nighthawk98TJ | does the Z come with vim or just vi? |
| 16:33:36 | imm | chouimat: when i set the feed to cf an location to cf and press ok it hangs somewhat |
| 16:34:16 | _ibz | Nighthawk98TJ: just vi, but you can get vim ipk. |
| 16:34:27 | Nighthawk98TJ | _ibz: cool, thx |
| 16:34:53 | _ibz | Nighthawk98TJ: your backspace problem, is that on vi the Z? |
| 16:34:59 | Nighthawk98TJ | does anyone have an easy way to mount samba fileshares on the Z when it boots? i cant seem to get them working in the fstab... i get an invalid argument error on boot for that line |
| 16:35:17 | Nighthawk98TJ | _ibz: yes, but i figured it out, im used to vim not vi ;) |
| 16:36:14 | Nighthawk98TJ | is there a file i can put the mounting command in that is executed on boot? |
| 16:36:29 | Nighthawk98TJ | i tried the /etc/rc.d/rc.local file and it didnt mount them |
| 16:52:46 | _ibz | Nighthawk98TJ: /etc/rc.d/rc.local is ignored during startup. |
| 16:55:35 | _ibz | Nighthawk98TJ: i remember hearing someone say only the boot scripts, and sysinit under /etc/rc.d is used during startup. |
| 16:55:50 | sig | whats the command in linux to start the qtopia desktop? |
| 16:55:53 | _ibz | ...however, those are read-only. |
| 16:56:44 | _ibz | i think you can use the /etc/rc.d/rcX.d and /etc/rc.d/ini.td scripts directly to do startup stuff |
| 16:58:51 | sig | anyone run qtopia-desktop on linux? |
| 16:59:10 | _ibz | sig: yes |
| 16:59:21 | sig | what command is it to start it? |
| 16:59:44 | _ibz | qtopiadesktop |
| 16:59:53 | _ibz | make sure it's on your path. |
| 17:00:22 | sig | i ran therpm |
| 17:00:24 | sig | rpm |
| 17:00:29 | _ibz | oh, yeah, and "locate", is your friend when it is not on your path |
| 17:00:30 | sig | but when i type that i get nothing |
| 17:00:46 | sig | didn't find anything |
| 17:00:56 | _ibz | sig: what distro? |
| 17:01:01 | sig | redhat |
| 17:01:19 | _ibz | do you have a /opt/Qtopia directory? |
| 17:01:42 | sig | yeah |
| 17:01:52 | _ibz | did you just install the rpm? |
| 17:02:00 | sig | yes |
| 17:02:20 | sig | thats why i have /opt/Qtopia |
| 17:02:35 | _ibz | ah, that's prolly why locate returned no hits. run updatedb sometime ;0 |
| 17:02:53 | _ibz | it should be in /opt/Qtopia/bin/qtopiadesktop |
| 17:03:11 | _ibz | export PATH=/opt/Qtopia/bin |
| 17:04:29 | _ibz | any luck? |
| 17:04:53 | scanline | is back (gone 14:22:24) |
| 17:06:08 | sig | _ibz: i just ran updatedb |
| 17:06:15 | sig | and still nothing |
| 17:06:29 | sig | I got it :) |
| 17:06:35 | _ibz | sig: sorry, updatedb is useful when you are looking for things... |
| 17:06:49 | _ibz | ...using locate. it updates the database. |
| 17:06:52 | sig | I have to run it via full path |
| 17:07:16 | _ibz | yeah, or add /opt/Qtopia/bin to your path. |
| 17:07:42 | _ibz | export PATH=$PATH:/opt/Qtopia/bin |
| 17:26:53 | sig | _ibz: |
| 17:27:04 | sig | ok now that the program is installed, how do i get the z to sync? |
| 17:27:06 | sig | in linux |
| 17:38:28 | _ibz | sig: can you ftp to the Z? |
| 17:42:23 | ibz|out | sig: read the ethernet-over-usb howto on zauruszone. |
| 17:53:13 | chouimat | re |
| 18:30:06 | MANOWAR^ | has anyone been able to sync their zaurus with a slackware box? |
| 18:52:03 | TMM1[Z] | hi |
| 18:58:19 | | TMM1[Z]? |
| 18:58:19 | TMM1[Z] | ibot |
| 19:00:11 | scanline | TMM1[Z]: opie irc? |
| 19:04:02 | TMM1[Z] | scan yea |
| 19:07:31 | scanline | TMM1[Z]: got tab completion in there? :) |
| 19:10:22 | TMM1[Z] | scan nope |
| 19:11:08 | TMM1[Z] | me want xchat |
| 19:22:50 | scanline | TMM1[Z]: so port xchat to Qt :) |
| 19:22:54 | scanline | it's not hard to do |
| 19:25:56 | TMM1[Z] | KonqGIFPlugin KonqGIFPlugin::setup() QGList::locate: Index -1 out of range QGList::locate: Index -1 out of range mkdir: Cannot create directory '': No such file or directory |
| 19:25:57 | TMM1[Z] | grr |
| 19:41:18 | Twiun | scanline: the work you're doing, are you using prerendered graphics or rendering on the fly? |
| 19:41:29 | scanline | Twiun: both |
| 19:42:09 | Twiun | scanline: ok... hrmmm... which bits are you using prerendered stuff for? |
| 19:42:21 | scanline | Twiun: picogui's theme language has a simple scripting language for drawing the contents of widgets, so most of it is prerendered for speed but some of the compositing and a lot of tiling and such is done in this scripting language |
| 19:42:45 | Twiun | right |
| 19:42:48 | scanline | Twiun: a lot of picogui themes are done completely on the fly |
| 19:42:57 | scanline | this new "fluidity" theme is mostly prerendered |
| 19:44:00 | scanline | the "nifty3d" theme uses gradients and various compositing engines, with no prerendered bitmaps |
| 19:44:11 | scanline | s/engines/operations/ |
| 19:44:17 | scanline | can't type today, he has a cold... |
| 19:47:42 | Twiun | Ahhh |
| 19:48:13 | Twiun | ok... I think I may keep my engine to the bare minimums then - I don't want to restrict the options open to other people |
| 19:48:25 | scanline | writing a theme thing for Qt? |
| 19:49:34 | Twiun | Nah, I wan wondering just how much in terms of bells and whistles I should have in my default fbAWT theme |
| 19:49:37 | scanline | really likes picogui's theme system, and hasn't seen anything like it in any other GUI |
| 19:49:49 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 19:49:58 | Twiun | s/wan/was |
| 19:50:54 | Twiun | scanline: I'm about to start the font rendering... (going to lift it out of another gpl lib methinks) |
| 19:50:56 | scanline | PicoGUI doesn't provide any look by default, all rendering is up to the themes.. but the language has something that I'll call "multidimensional dynamic inheritance" for lack of a better word :) |
| 19:51:19 | scanline | Twiun: freetype? |
| 19:51:47 | Twiun | scanline: I wish - there's no java port of it yet.... no some guy made a pre-rendered font engine, much like the qpf generator |
| 19:51:53 | scanline | ah |
| 19:52:29 | Twiun | To be honest, I'm dubious about the performance of a freetype java port on the Z... |
| 19:52:39 | scanline | yeah |
| 19:53:00 | scanline | well, it would have to cache glyphs as they're rendered... you wouldn't want to have to call freetype for every single character |
| 19:53:06 | Twiun | I wish I could understand the qpf format - that would make my program much smaller |
| 19:53:20 | scanline | qpf? |
| 19:53:29 | Twiun | yeah, Qtopia's prerendered fonts |
| 19:53:35 | scanline | oh |
| 19:53:51 | Twiun | The Z comes with a few, I'd be able to use those |
| 19:54:03 | Twiun | and not burden my end user with creating their own |
| 19:54:19 | Twiun | (unless they start using Kanji or something) |
| 19:54:40 | treke|home | Twiun: someone did some testing of freetype with qt and c++ and it was rather memory hungry. I imagine java would have the same problems |
| 19:55:36 | scanline | wonders how well his eventual freetype module for picogui will perform.... since picogui itself doesn't take much memory there will be plenty free for awesome fonts :) |
| 19:55:43 | Twiun | quite likely... any idea if there's some concrete documentation on the qpf format? (not makeqpf code, please :-)) |
| 19:55:46 | treke|home | scanline: hehe :) |
| 19:55:53 | treke|home | doesnt know |
| 19:56:02 | Twiun | ok, I'll mail the lists... |
| 19:56:14 | scanline | Twiun: if you find some docs for qpf, I might as well make picogui able to load them :) |
| 19:56:21 | treke|home | I'm not particularly picky when it comes to fonts, so the stock opie fonts work for me :) |
| 19:56:44 | scanline | has been using his own BDF renderer and fonts from X |
| 19:57:58 | Twiun | I'll provide the facility to plugin custom font engines/renderers - no point burning bridges methinks |
| 19:58:15 | scanline | Twiun: have you already written a framebuffer graphics engine yourself? |
| 19:58:23 | mark | The turnstile just of the generally known liquid crystal and being to be possible atmosphere, whether use as a browser it fills up, it knows -- oh I love translated japanese |
| 20:00:07 | mark | foreboding of the product which can become the detonating agent does. It is attention. |
| 20:00:14 | mark | LOL, the zaurus is about to become a detonating agent |
| 20:00:28 | Twiun | scanline: well... not entirely - I reused the primitive drawing stuff from tinyPTC and incorporated into the awt peer system |
| 20:00:42 | Twiun | scanline: So I got a jumpstart |
| 20:00:49 | scanline | ah |
| 20:00:50 | scanline | k |
| 20:00:55 | scanline | does it do alpha blending? |
| 20:01:27 | Twiun | scanline: not currently - although it shouldn't be hard. I'm not currently reading from the fb though |
| 20:01:35 | scanline | k |
| 20:01:57 | Twiun | scanline: one thing I'm desperately missing is some qcop command to force qtopia to redraw its screen (say after my app finished) |
| 20:02:14 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/fluidity_parts.png <-- a debug mode showing all the pieces used to render Fluidity |
| 20:02:35 | scanline | everything with the white striped background and "Alpha" on it has an alpha channel.. most of those are pieces of the scrollbar |
| 20:02:55 | scanline | the funny gray blob is the pieces used to render drop shadows |
| 20:03:07 | Twiun | scanline: Oooo... GPL license on these graphics? |
| 20:03:42 | scanline | I suppose so. these graphics as PNG/JPEG files and the theme source code are in picogui's CVS |
| 20:04:08 | scanline | stamps a GPL on the theme source code |
| 20:04:29 | scanline | it's under extra_themes/fluidity/ |
| 20:04:31 | ljp | PPL |
| 20:04:40 | scanline | fluidity.ths is the source code in my theme language, the graphics are under data/ |
| 20:04:42 | Twiun | Hehe - cool, I might use that look (probably without alphablending for now) as a default |
| 20:04:55 | ljp | Picogui Public License |
| 20:05:07 | scanline | ljp: GPL and LGPL are fine for me thankyouverymuch :) |
| 20:05:14 | ljp | awwwww... |
| 20:05:30 | Twiun | hehe |
| 20:05:44 | ljp | echo "see GPL" >> PPL |
| 20:05:45 | scanline | should make a license that says "You can use this in other GPL projects, but if you use it in Qtopia you suck" ;) |
| 20:08:13 | scanline | Twiun: if you wanted a similar but somewhat different look, the gimp XCF files I used as source for all the prerendered bits are in CVS too |
| 20:08:59 | scanline | I was hoping to establish this as a custom look for PicoGUI, so if you used it directly you might be considered a copycat :) |
| 20:09:24 | prpplague | scanline: hey, i'll use that license on my stuff too |
| 20:09:30 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:09:55 | prpplague | scanline: btw, i've taken the plung and going with fltk over gpe |
| 20:09:56 | scanline | Twiun: 493 lines of theme code for Fluidity |
| 20:10:05 | scanline | prpplague: congrats and good luck :) |
| 20:10:18 | scanline | why did you do it? |
| 20:10:21 | prpplague | scanline: thanks i'm going to need it |
| 20:10:43 | scanline | Isn't there a lot of stuff from the VR3 you could use with fltk? |
| 20:10:51 | initq6 | has anyone gotten a linksys wcf12 wireless card to work on their zaurus? If so, could you help in getting mine to work? |
| 20:11:16 | mark | initq6: i think mine works :) |
| 20:11:29 | prpplague | scanline: ya theres a good bit for reference but i'm really not happy with the overall structure of the PIMS |
| 20:11:35 | initq6 | you have a wcf12? |
| 20:11:43 | mark | i dunno |
| 20:11:50 | mark | oh no |
| 20:11:52 | mark | its an 11 |
| 20:12:12 | initq6 | did it just work out of the box or did you have to edit any config files? |
| 20:12:31 | mark | initq6: i use open zaurs, so things are probably different there |
| 20:13:22 | initq6 | mark: well do you have any pointers maybe? |
| 20:13:30 | scanline | Twiun_: get any of what I said? :) |
| 20:13:43 | mark | initq6: hmm, it pretty much just worked here |
| 20:13:45 | md123 | hello |
| 20:14:03 | mark | initq6: just had to set ESSID and i was done |
| 20:14:32 | md123 | could any1 plz tell me how I can get wireless sync to work on my latest sharp rom |
| 20:14:49 | ljp | you cant |
| 20:14:52 | endr | md123: doesn't appear to work.. |
| 20:15:08 | chouimat | hi |
| 20:15:16 | ljp | they closed off sync from eth, only from usb |
| 20:15:19 | md123 | will it work with open zaurus? |
| 20:15:42 | ljp | I think so, you'd have to ask someone that has wireless |
| 20:15:44 | md123 | si why the hell do they have instructions on the website!!!!??? |
| 20:16:08 | scanline | has wireless, but never sync'ed |
| 20:16:25 | Twiun_ | scanline: looks like not... what was it about? last I heard you say was "scanline should make a license that says "You can use this in other GPL projects, but if you use it in Qtopia you suck" ;)" |
| 20:16:36 | scanline | Twiun: if you wanted a similar but somewhat different look, the gimp XCF files I used as source for all the prerendered bits are in CVS too |
| 20:16:43 | scanline | I was hoping to establish this as a custom look for PicoGUI, so if you used it directly you might be considered a copycat :) |
| 20:16:51 | scanline | Twiun: 493 lines of theme code for Fluidity |
| 20:16:54 | scanline | that's all I said |
| 20:17:09 | Twiun | Ahhh, ok, thanks for letting me know ;-) |
| 20:18:58 | md123 | ok so what if I downgrade to an older rom, can I get drivers from somewhere to get my 128 mg SD card to work? |
| 20:36:58 | endr | what's people's favorite way of staying up to date with opie packages? ipkg upgrade just mangles my OZ... |
| 20:41:55 | jbardin | arg |
| 20:42:09 | jbardin | anyone know howto pop off the keyboard without unscrewing it? |
| 20:42:32 | jbardin | one of the little contact wires (the one that the cancel button uses) is bent and not making contact with the button |
| 20:42:44 | jbardin | thus leading to diffuclty starting upo my z |
| 20:49:05 | Dessimat0r | have you had the zaurus for under a year? |
| 20:49:10 | Dessimat0r | if so, send it back |
| 20:49:15 | Dessimat0r | if its broken |
| 20:49:20 | Dessimat0r | its their responsability |
| 20:49:28 | Dessimat0r | make sure they know that |
| 20:49:38 | TMM1[Z] | hmmmmm |
| 20:49:42 | TMM1[Z] | a year? |
| 20:49:45 | Dessimat0r | yes |
| 20:49:50 | TMM1[Z] | hm |
| 20:50:04 | TMM1[Z] | so i could return it and get a 5600 |
| 20:50:06 | Dessimat0r | i have the guarantee thing here ;) |
| 20:50:11 | Dessimat0r | probably not |
| 20:50:17 | Dessimat0r | you cant get a cash refund |
| 20:50:18 | TMM1[Z] | heh |
| 20:50:23 | Dessimat0r | in the guarantee period |
| 20:50:26 | TMM1[Z] | ah |
| 20:50:27 | Dessimat0r | only for a month after having it ;) |
| 20:50:27 | TMM1[Z] | k |
| 20:50:45 | TMM1[Z] | heh |
| 20:50:59 | TMM1[Z] | oh well |
| 20:52:46 | Dessimat0r | zankoku na tenchi no te ze |
| 20:54:13 | chouimat | ????? |
| 20:54:21 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:54:35 | Dessimat0r | bloody hell, my zaurus constantly crashes when logging in |
| 20:54:38 | Dessimat0r | at opie-login |
| 20:54:42 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 20:54:50 | Dessimat0r | sometimes it takes ages |
| 20:54:53 | chouimat | doesn't speak gibberish |
| 20:54:55 | Dessimat0r | llol |
| 20:54:58 | Dessimat0r | its japanese ;) |
| 20:55:18 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: that what I said :) |
| 20:55:23 | Dessimat0r | erofl |
| 20:55:26 | Dessimat0r | japanese 0wnz ;) |
| 20:56:38 | ljp | klingon ownz |
| 21:44:04 | enginedoll | I'm looking for a PDA with an attachment that senses motion, tilt angle, etc, for a development toy. Anyone heard of such a thing? |
| 21:44:31 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 17 hours, 32 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: cdm: yeah .. with them being first offering the keyboard .. uh , they would make a killing in CE market [Thu Oct 3 05:12:11 2002] |
| 21:44:31 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 21:44:41 | | br33zy was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen br33zy [Sun Oct 6 22:44:41 2002] |
| 21:44:41 | br33zy | ibot seen br33zy |
| 21:45:04 | ljp | they used to have them... called pinball machines ;) |
| 21:51:12 | enginedoll | exactly |
| 21:51:34 | enginedoll | wanna write programs that sense tilt.. need attachment |
| 22:02:25 | Bala | make one yourself with an old rotary thermostat... |
| 22:02:42 | Bala | the kind with the mercury bubble |
| 22:05:51 | jim_az | hi all :) |
| 22:06:26 | jim_az | Anyone managed to get USB networking to work for the Z on Red Hat 8 ? |
| 22:08:59 | jim_az | hmmm... read that, that guy has some custom RPMs made for earlier 2.4.18 kernels |
| 22:09:02 | jim_az | but no instructions |
| 22:09:33 | deevee | hmm |
| 22:09:52 | deevee | i need to try to get mine working on mandrake9 |
| 22:10:25 | jim_az | Ok, it worked on my Mandrake 8.2 - those instructions on www.zauruszone.com/faqs didn't help? |
| 22:10:43 | deevee | id dint really try yet |
| 22:10:46 | deevee | ima try now |
| 22:11:05 | deevee | my Z seems to crash my windows box allot |
| 22:11:09 | deevee | lots blue screens |
| 22:11:11 | jim_az | lol ... ok |
| 22:11:37 | jim_az | having networking is really wonderful... never needed to install Qtopia desktop |
| 22:17:23 | deevee | hmm |
| 22:17:32 | deevee | ic ant find the tutorial on how to get it to work on mdk8.2 |
| 22:17:36 | deevee | ive seen it before |
| 22:18:01 | jim_az | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 22:18:09 | deevee | ah |
| 22:18:10 | deevee | thanks |
| 22:18:29 | jim_az | np :) |
| 22:23:46 | jim_az | need to boot back to MDK8.2 ... see you |
| 22:28:03 | Mantus | has anyone seen anything about the new prototype zaurus? |
| 22:28:40 | ljp | there's an image of it somewhere, looks like an old sharp wizard |
| 22:29:12 | nadav | link is in topic, i think |
| 22:30:09 | Mantus | o |
| 22:31:22 | darienm | Mantus http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003 |
| 22:34:00 | Mantus | hmm |
| 22:34:05 | Mantus | very interesting |
| 22:37:15 | Mantus | i think i may have to get that if it gets released |
| 22:37:48 | hobbs | I kinda like handheld handhelds... |
| 22:38:05 | hobbs | although with the current Z, it's already twice as fast to type with it laying down as in your hands. :) |
| 22:38:32 | Mantus | i got the z really as a laptop replacement |
| 22:38:40 | Mantus | so that appeals to me |
| 22:38:52 | hobbs | that's cool. |
| 22:39:11 | hobbs | I have a laptop, but it's not mobile. The battery charging circuit is fried. |
| 22:39:51 | Mantus | and i have the warrenty at bestbuy ... flash it and yank the power/battery and get the new one :) |
| 22:40:21 | hobbs | heh. |
| 22:41:09 | ZhEN | is back (gone 51:44:17) |
| 22:41:09 | Mantus | if it has decent storage you could just run a real distro |
| 22:41:39 | kergoth` | define real |
| 22:42:05 | treke|home | kergoth`: one with a bunch of utilities you'd never use |
| 22:42:08 | ljp | redhat hehehe |
| 22:42:20 | kergoth` | treke|home: hehe |
| 22:42:37 | Mantus | kergoth: i dunno ... i guess what i mean is run x/gnome |
| 22:42:48 | kergoth` | hah |
| 22:42:51 | kergoth` | you can run X on the Z fine |
| 22:42:58 | hobbs | kergoth`: with lots of storage. |
| 22:43:02 | kergoth` | gnome would suck no matter how mcuh space it has, because gnome isnt designed for a small screen. |
| 22:43:14 | Mantus | its not the right resolution to be worth it though |
| 22:43:22 | kergoth` | thats what i'm saying. |
| 22:43:40 | kergoth` | The only difference between familiar/oz and a normal desktop distro is a shitload more apps and a different package manager |
| 22:43:42 | kergoth` | heh |
| 22:43:42 | Mantus | 640x480 is fine |
| 22:44:02 | treke|home | ha |
| 22:44:12 | kergoth` | gnome in 640x480? |
| 22:44:14 | treke|home | sure it is :) |
| 22:44:15 | kergoth` | shudders |
| 22:44:28 | Mantus | kergoth: i realized that after saying that ... but what i mean i really the ability to go to sourceforge and just compile and run any of the aps |
| 22:44:41 | kergoth` | Mantus: you already have that, for the most part.' |
| 22:44:57 | kergoth` | Mantus: some will have dependencies that you have to crosscompile as well, and some are a bitch to crosscompile.. |
| 22:45:05 | kergoth` | but beyond that, the Z is just an arm linux machine |
| 22:45:05 | Mantus | cant run x apps in qtopia |
| 22:45:08 | kergoth` | feel free to install debian/ARM |
| 22:45:11 | kergoth` | heh |
| 22:45:12 | Mantus | have to recode everything |
| 22:45:13 | kergoth` | Mantus: so install X |
| 22:45:14 | treke|home | Mantus: install x |
| 22:45:23 | treke|home | Mantus: or install a vnc server and run the apps in that |
| 22:45:24 | Mantus | x breaks things |
| 22:45:29 | kergoth` | Mantus: ? |
| 22:45:48 | Mantus | installing the x package broke the resume feature with qtopia |
| 22:45:52 | kergoth` | Mantus: works great. the only problems were with qtopia-X interoperability |
| 22:46:04 | kergoth` | Mantus: you said you wanted X, you didnt say you wanted both. but interoperability is improving rapidly |
| 22:46:07 | kergoth` | prpplague: right? |
| 22:46:09 | kergoth` | ;)O |
| 22:46:20 | chouimat | re |
| 22:46:49 | kergoth` | hey chouimat |
| 22:47:34 | Mantus | the new arm vaio is also looking sexy |
| 22:47:39 | prpplague | kergoth`: ya well, i've not really done anything on the interoperability, since i never build qt/opie |
| 22:47:45 | kergoth` | prpplague: hehe |
| 22:47:46 | treke|home | arm vaio? |
| 22:47:56 | prpplague | kergoth`: it should work together fine |
| 22:48:02 | kergoth` | prpplague: sandman fixed the apm problem with opie-x interoperability |
| 22:48:04 | kergoth` | prpplague: yep |
| 22:48:11 | Mantus | treke: yea 200MHz vaio |
| 22:48:26 | treke|home | thats gonna flop |
| 22:48:28 | treke|home | big time |
| 22:48:36 | Mantus | doubt it |
| 22:48:39 | kergoth` | all depends on pricing. it'd have to be dirt cheap. |
| 22:48:43 | Mantus | all palms are going arm |
| 22:48:44 | kergoth` | if they dont price it properly, it'll bomb |
| 22:48:51 | kergoth` | Mantus: palm != vaio |
| 22:48:55 | kergoth` | depends on the pricepoint |
| 22:49:08 | treke|home | people are going to be comparing it with the standard vaios and bitch about performance |
| 22:49:09 | Mantus | kergoth: oops i meant clie |
| 22:49:11 | Mantus | :) |
| 22:49:17 | kergoth` | Mantus: i was going to say.... |
| 22:49:18 | treke|home | oh. thats another story |
| 22:49:19 | kergoth` | Mantus: hehe |
| 22:49:22 | prpplague | kergoth`: ohh ya? what was the deal? |
| 22:49:26 | kergoth` | completely different |
| 22:49:31 | Mantus | my bad |
| 22:49:40 | treke|home | yeah. A 200mhz laptop aint gonna sell jack :) |
| 22:49:44 | kergoth` | prpplague: opie would tell the kernel that it was dealing with teh power button for suspend/resume, but it wouldnt revert to lettting hte kernel handle it after it quit |
| 22:49:59 | kergoth` | prpplague: so it was left in a state where the app was expected to handle that event, and X wasnt |
| 22:50:03 | kergoth` | prpplague: boom |
| 22:50:09 | treke|home | hmmm. I bet thats why I cant hit the power button to suspend anymore :) |
| 22:50:18 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 22:50:18 | chouimat | any1 want glulxe proted to the Z? |
| 22:50:21 | prpplague | kergoth`: ahh |
| 22:50:53 | kergoth` | treke|home: with the ipaqs its just a matter of echoing a value to the proc interface |
| 22:50:56 | kergoth` | treke|home: :) |
| 22:51:05 | prpplague | kergoth`: i need to be working on my make files, but i'm playing with matchbox right now |
| 22:51:08 | kergoth` | treke|home: Z is a bit different, involves an ioctl to the apm_bios device |
| 22:51:09 | treke|home | kergoth`: When did he make that change? |
| 22:51:12 | kergoth` | prpplague: hehe. |
| 22:51:18 | kergoth` | treke|home: hmm not sure, would have to check the cvs logs |
| 22:51:46 | prpplague | kergoth`: looks like with the new buildroot, abunch of the special items i had to add are now not needed |
| 22:52:09 | ZhEN | does anyone know of any problems w/ the 5500 and OZ? |
| 22:52:17 | kergoth` | ZhEN: ? |
| 22:52:22 | kergoth` | ZhEN: not to my knowledge. |
| 22:52:38 | ZhEN | kergoth: cool, just checkign |
| 22:52:42 | ZhEN | *checking |
| 22:52:45 | ljp | ya one big problem.. it makes the sharp rom look bad |
| 22:52:52 | ZhEN | heh |
| 22:52:57 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 22:53:01 | deevee | hrrmm |
| 22:53:04 | deevee | i can ping my Z |
| 22:53:06 | deevee | bu cant ftp to it |
| 22:53:08 | kergoth` | I cant stand the sharp rom anymore. just pisses me off too much |
| 22:53:13 | ZhEN | last time i flashed w/ oz, my Z wouldnt boot, and i had to flash with sharp :-/ |
| 22:53:23 | ZhEN | so i am trying initrd .94 |
| 22:53:25 | treke|home | kergoth`: when is the last time you used it? |
| 22:53:29 | kergoth` | ZhEN: try optimized |
| 22:53:32 | | optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 22:53:32 | kergoth` | ibot optimized |
| 22:53:33 | ZhEN | kergoth: heh, why? |
| 22:53:37 | kergoth` | treke|home: used what? X? been some time |
| 22:53:41 | kergoth` | ZhEN: newer packages |
| 22:53:45 | treke|home | kergoth`: no, the sharp rom |
| 22:53:47 | kergoth` | ZhEN: or use 2.9.5.5 and update to the latest |
| 22:53:48 | ZhEN | kergoth: ah, thatnks |
| 22:53:49 | | oz feed is http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 22:53:49 | kergoth` | ibot oz feed |
| 22:53:51 | kergoth` | treke|home: ah, last week |
| 22:53:54 | treke|home | kergoth`: and what's been optimized in that rom? |
| 22:53:56 | kergoth` | treke|home: played with 2.38 |
| 22:54:08 | kergoth` | treke|home: opie & qt built with -O2, etc |
| 22:54:12 | treke|home | ah |
| 22:54:14 | kergoth` | treke|home: :) |
| 22:54:31 | ljp | I doubt sharp will release very many more rom updates |
| 22:54:40 | kergoth` | i agree |
| 22:54:41 | ZhEN | kergoth: yep, OZ broke it again |
| 22:54:45 | treke|home | if any |
| 22:54:48 | kergoth` | I dont see them putting much more money into the 5x00 |
| 22:54:48 | Mantus | kergoth: would it be possible to have the sd to be root with all the files on the rom be linked over? i find there are some issues getting certain ipks to install right to a non root directory. |
| 22:54:50 | kergoth` | ZhEN: huh? |
| 22:54:56 | kergoth` | ZhEN: ihave no idea what you're talkinga bout |
| 22:55:01 | kergoth` | Mantus: what ipks? |
| 22:55:08 | ZhEN | kergoth: yeah, it just got done flashing w/ OZ, and the Z won't boot |
| 22:55:18 | kergoth` | Mantus: the only ones that fail are 1) use symlinks, which fails with a vfat cf card, or 2) are flawed |
| 22:55:23 | kergoth` | ZhEN: then you fucked something up, i'd say |
| 22:55:29 | kergoth` | ZhEN: which rom? |
| 22:55:49 | ljp | first boot takes awhile |
| 22:56:09 | ZhEN | kergoth: zimage 40-24, initrd 2.9.94 |
| 22:56:09 | Mantus | kergoth: some (knights for instance) complain about the .list file usually it has to do with the ipk using <progname>.list and ipkg wanting <filename.ipk>.list |
| 22:56:11 | kergoth` | yeh, generating ssh keys especially |
| 22:56:17 | Mantus | using ln fixes it |
| 22:56:21 | ZhEN | ljp: yeah, but when there are no lights... |
| 22:56:23 | kergoth` | ZhEN: 2.9.94 is not a valid initrd |
| 22:56:33 | kergoth` | ZhEN: you screwd up the flash, or your card is fucked up |
| 22:56:40 | ZhEN | kergoth: humm |
| 22:56:40 | kergoth` | ZhEN: mkfs.msdos -T 16 is your friend |
| 22:56:49 | ZhEN | kergoth: yeah |
| 22:56:51 | kergoth` | ZhEN: card *must* be fat16 |
| 22:56:56 | Mantus | i thought it was _F 16 |
| 22:56:57 | kergoth` | fat32 will not do |
| 22:56:59 | kergoth` | heh |
| 22:57:02 | nadav | bah |
| 22:57:03 | kergoth` | er, yeah -F |
| 22:57:03 | Mantus | err -S |
| 22:57:07 | Mantus | blah |
| 22:57:08 | kergoth` | whatever |
| 22:57:11 | Mantus | i stop typing |
| 22:57:11 | kergoth` | you know what i'm saying |
| 22:57:13 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 22:57:38 | ZhEN | kergoth: i know ;-) |
| 22:57:58 | ZhEN | kergoth: but after i do that, i cannot ever mount it |
| 22:58:03 | kergoth` | ZhEN: ? |
| 22:58:14 | Mantus | your best friend is a usb cf reader though |
| 22:58:26 | kergoth` | ZhEN: linux machines use the vfat module, which supports fat12, fat16, and fat32 |
| 22:58:30 | kergoth` | ZhEN: i've never seen a problem |
| 22:58:47 | ZhEN | kergoth: i know. but the card will not mount in a windows or linux machine after i format it |
| 22:59:11 | ZhEN | kergoth: at any rate, it is, i formatted it on a winders machine |
| 22:59:11 | bbeattie | Anyone know if there is a gameboy advance emu in progress for the Zaurus? |
| 22:59:35 | kergoth` | ZhEN: dont format on a windows machine |
| 22:59:42 | kergoth` | ZhEN: anything win95+ will use fat32 |
| 22:59:45 | kergoth` | ZhEN: it *must* be fat16 |
| 22:59:49 | Mantus | bbeattie: you know, given that the arcitecture is the same youde think it would be easier than a GBC but no |
| 23:00:05 | ZhEN | kergoth: yes, i know, but you can choose fat32 or fat16 (iirc) in xp |
| 23:00:09 | Mantus | kergoth: actually win formats it fat16 |
| 23:00:18 | kergoth` | Mantus: really? I'm impressed |
| 23:00:18 | ZhEN | kergoth: yes |
| 23:00:24 | Mantus | i couldnt format it fat32 under 2k |
| 23:00:38 | bbeattie | Mantus: so in short, it would be eaiser, and there will probably be one, but not yet? |
| 23:00:43 | Mantus | fat16 is superior on devices that small |
| 23:00:58 | Mantus | bbeattie: hopefully |
| 23:01:07 | Mantus | err filesystems that small |
| 23:01:48 | ZhEN | Mantus: or reiser ;-) |
| 23:02:18 | Mantus | ZhEN: i meant superior to fat32 |
| 23:02:32 | ZhEN | Mantus: well, of course :-) |
| 23:03:13 | Mantus | has yet to find a windows box that can format reiser |
| 23:04:28 | treke|home | Mantus: and you probrably never will |
| 23:04:51 | ljp | sure it cann, just ssh into the linux box! |
| 23:05:01 | Mantus | treke: s/probably/hopefully |
| 23:05:18 | treke|home | has never seen a linux box that can format ntfs |
| 23:05:27 | treke|home | although I imagine it will happen eventually |
| 23:06:10 | Mantus | no need to format ntfs |
| 23:06:29 | chouimat | has lot of fun playing with inform and glulxe |
| 23:06:49 | Mantus | since there is no reasonable excuse for installing linux on a ntfs volume |
| 23:07:12 | treke|home | Mantus: there is plenty of reasonable excuse for putting data on an ntfs volume though |
| 23:07:35 | ZhEN | kergoth: i am trying the flash from the link you gave me |
| 23:07:41 | Mantus | treke: so that NT can read it ... which can format the volume |
| 23:07:46 | ZhEN | kergoth: the init from there that is |
| 23:07:54 | kergoth` | ZhEN: 'the init'? |
| 23:08:13 | ZhEN | kergoth: yes, the initrd.bin from the link that you threw me from ibot |
| 23:08:23 | kergoth` | ah |
| 23:08:26 | kergoth` | initrd.bin = rootfs |
| 23:08:32 | ZhEN | thanks ;-) |
| 23:08:49 | ZhEN | it is flashing right now.... |
| 23:09:14 | ZhEN | ljp said that it should take some time to restart, how long am I looking at? |
| 23:09:26 | kergoth` | ? |
| 23:09:29 | ljp | not more than 5 minutes |
| 23:09:43 | kergoth` | it'll say "Reconfiguring packages installed to root......>" more dots will be added. wait 5 mins |
| 23:09:45 | kergoth` | yep |
| 23:09:47 | ZhEN | ljp: but there should be some activity on the lcd, right? |
| 23:09:52 | ZhEN | ahh |
| 23:10:11 | ZhEN | ok, done flashing, going to reset and see what happens... |
| 23:11:08 | ZhEN | still no activity on the lcd, and both leds are blank |
| 23:11:44 | kergoth` | ? |
| 23:11:52 | Rixster | Anybody here got a d-link dcf 650 w ? |
| 23:12:04 | kergoth` | there shouldnt be activity on the lcd until you full reset, put hte cover pack on, flip the soft reset switch to normal, adn hit the power button |
| 23:12:07 | ZhEN | kergoth: yeah, OZ will not flash on, any ideas? |
| 23:12:14 | kergoth` | at which point the lcd should display the pingizauru logo |
| 23:12:19 | ZhEN | kergoth: yes, and there isnt |
| 23:13:21 | kergoth` | no idea. |
| 23:13:21 | ZhEN | kergoth: yep, no activity |
| 23:13:29 | kergoth` | works flawless on hundreds of people';s Z's, just not yours |
| 23:13:34 | deevee | i installe dqtopia 1.6 beta from rpm ... now how do i start it up? |
| 23:13:36 | kergoth` | bit beyond my ability to diagnose |
| 23:13:48 | ZhEN | kergoth: i just need initrd.bin, zImage, and bootflags, right? |
| 23:13:51 | kergoth` | I mean, arey ou holding down the power button for a few seconds? |
| 23:13:53 | kergoth` | yes, |
| 23:14:17 | ZhEN | kergoth: yes, but even the power led is not turning on |
| 23:14:28 | kergoth` | so? |
| 23:14:36 | kergoth` | there is no power led, by the way. |
| 23:14:41 | kergoth` | there *is* a *charging* led |
| 23:14:42 | ZhEN | if it is plugged in, it should |
| 23:14:44 | kergoth` | no. |
| 23:14:48 | ZhEN | for the love of God |
| 23:14:51 | kergoth` | if its plugged in, and *charging*, its on |
| 23:15:03 | ZhEN | well, it is *charging* |
| 23:15:04 | kergoth` | the fact that power is attached means nothing |
| 23:15:07 | ZhEN | i am not a damn idiot |
| 23:15:16 | kergoth` | so the battery isnt full? okay, thats a completely different story |
| 23:15:21 | kergoth` | then it sounds like you didnt full reset after flashing |
| 23:15:27 | kergoth` | which is documented in the falsh procedure |
| 23:15:35 | ZhEN | held the full reset button for 10 seconds |
| 23:16:10 | kergoth` | ? |
| 23:16:12 | kergoth` | you tap it |
| 23:16:15 | kergoth` | holding it doesnt matter |
| 23:16:17 | ZhEN | i did that too |
| 23:16:21 | ZhEN | and i know |
| 23:16:23 | kergoth` | if it gets touched in any way, the unit is reset |
| 23:16:25 | kergoth` | peirod. |
| 23:16:28 | kergoth` | period too :) |
| 23:16:29 | Rixster | hold down C+D ? |
| 23:16:36 | kergoth` | then as I said earlier, its beyond by ability to diagnose |
| 23:16:56 | ZhEN | Rixster: yeah, to start the flash process |
| 23:16:59 | kergoth` | those images work flawless for everyone else. i'd pursue corrupt images or a problematic CF card/filesystem |
| 23:17:17 | ZhEN | kergoth: how come the sharp rom works then? |
| 23:17:27 | kergoth` | maybe you didnt hear |
| 23:17:33 | kergoth` | lets clarify |
| 23:17:35 | kergoth` | i still have no fucking idea |
| 23:17:46 | kergoth` | i had no idea before. i still have no idea |
| 23:17:51 | kergoth` | I've never seen that particular behvior |
| 23:18:10 | kergoth` | generally a failed flash is seen eariier on in the process. |
| 23:18:23 | ZhEN | kergoth: then stfu please. |
| 23:18:32 | kergoth` | heh |
| 23:18:35 | kergoth` | good luck. |
| 23:18:40 | ZhEN | thankyou |
| 23:18:44 | kergoth` | np |
| 23:18:51 | kergoth` | and i wont stfu, oz install issues are my forte |
| 23:18:55 | kergoth` | given that it is my project |
| 23:19:42 | ZhEN | well, it isnt working for me, and though i know it is a fine project (really) I cannot get it working |
| 23:19:43 | kergoth` | ZhEN: but if you dont want what could be invaluable assistance, good fucking luck |
| 23:19:49 | kergoth` | yes, i understand that |
| 23:20:02 | ZhEN | kergoth: but as you stated, you have no fucking idea |
| 23:20:03 | | rumour has it oz feed is http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/ |
| 23:20:03 | nadav | ibot oz feed |
| 23:20:05 | kergoth` | and i know that the problem is something in your environment. flawed images, flawed filesystem |
| 23:20:08 | | i think optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 23:20:08 | nadav | ibot optimized |
| 23:20:10 | kergoth` | because it works for everyone else. |
| 23:20:16 | kergoth` | the problem is *you*. definitively. |
| 23:20:27 | kergoth` | or rather, something in your environment or circumstances |
| 23:20:30 | kergoth` | to clarify |
| 23:20:40 | Rixster | anybody use kismet here ? |
| 23:20:43 | ZhEN | kergoth: maybe. but there is no reason to treat someone like a complete imbecile during the process. |
| 23:21:01 | ZhEN | kergoth: but at any rate, this is childish, and i am sorry, all that i want is some help |
| 23:21:05 | kergoth` | I didnt. I explained that the problem was likely beyond by ability to diagnose within the first 2 sentences. |
| 23:21:15 | kergoth` | scroll up if need be. |
| 23:21:24 | kergoth` | agreed. |
| 23:21:32 | ZhEN | kergoth: sorry to get off on the wrong foot |
| 23:22:40 | deevee | argh |
| 23:22:50 | deevee | whats the command to start qtopia |
| 23:22:54 | deevee | qtopiadesktop doesnt work |
| 23:22:55 | ZhEN | kergoth: sorry for the misunderstanding, may we start over? (if you wish to do so of course) |
| 23:23:05 | kergoth` | deevee: qtopia, or qtopia desktop? |
| 23:23:11 | ZhEN | deevee: the binaries are in opt, you could probably find it there |
| 23:23:17 | ZhEN | deevee: /opt that is |
| 23:23:21 | deevee | i looked in op |
| 23:23:27 | deevee | all i see is assistant |
| 23:23:31 | ZhEN | deevee: hmm |
| 23:23:48 | kergoth` | ZhEN: certainly. I asked those questions to ensure that there wasnt a stupid mistake made. I wasnt intending to insult your intelligence. when you start off supporting someone one can never tell at what level of expertise the person you're supporting is at. |
| 23:23:48 | Rixster | ok - another question - any gaim / jabber apps out there for the Zaurus ? |
| 23:23:49 | ZhEN | deevee: try typing qtop and then tab twice and see what comes up |
| 23:24:11 | deevee | nothing |
| 23:24:20 | ZhEN | kergoth: yeah, i know, i do the same thing ;-) i just got caught up in my own ego i guess |
| 23:24:29 | kergoth` | ZhEN: as did I. it happens. |
| 23:24:31 | ZhEN | kergoth: same thing being support |
| 23:25:36 | ZhEN | kergoth: alright, so the card is fat16, i am using kernel 40-24, and my Z is a 5500 |
| 23:26:10 | ZhEN | kergoth: the problem is, that after flash, i cannot boot the Z. it looks like a bad image. I downloaded the kernel and rootfs files from sourceforge |
| 23:26:16 | kergoth` | ZhEN: okay. you renamed kernel to zImage, put initrd.bin and bootflag.txt on the card, the procedure went fine, lights on for 3 minutes, and afterwards you cant install it? |
| 23:26:20 | kergoth` | er |
| 23:26:24 | kergoth` | s/install it/turn it on/ |
| 23:26:27 | kergoth` | is tired |
| 23:26:54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, you might want to try the optimized rootfs |
| 23:26:57 | ZhEN | kergoth: yep, yep, yep, and it took a little less than 3 minutes..hmm, does that mean it did not completely flash? |
| 23:27:02 | ZhEN | is very tired also |
| 23:27:04 | TheMasterMind1 | someone else was having problems with the old one |
| 23:27:09 | TheMasterMind1 | it was only flashing theknerle |
| 23:27:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel |
| 23:27:30 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: hmm. the weird thing is, the zImage hasnt changed in a long ass time |
| 23:27:48 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: i think that may be my issue, because when I put the Z in to diagnostic mode (d+p in battery replace mode), my rom image still shows as 2.37 |
| 23:27:51 | DaJoker | ZhEN: stupid question, and I only ask this because I do it all the time, but did you flip the back switch to normal operation mode? |
| 23:27:58 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 23:28:04 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a diagnostic mode? |
| 23:28:07 | ZhEN | DaJoker: yeah, it flipper |
| 23:28:20 | deevee | somene told me if you set up the Z with ifconfig all that you can basicaly do is just ping it? |
| 23:28:22 | deevee | is that true? |
| 23:28:28 | Rixster | d+p = diagnostic mode ? |
| 23:28:29 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: heh, yep. flip the switch to battery mode, then hit d+p together, then turn it on |
| 23:28:39 | ZhEN | Rixster: yep |
| 23:28:42 | Rixster | ooooh |
| 23:28:53 | TheMasterMind1 | deevee: huh? |
| 23:29:06 | ZhEN | you have to reverse the process to get it back to normal working order though |
| 23:29:10 | kergoth` | ZhEN: so the diags came up, and the info in there shows 2.37? I wouldnt pay much attention to that |
| 23:29:13 | deevee | <newbs> dee-vee did you set up your network with ifconfig because all that basically does is allow you to ping other boxes =/ |
| 23:29:27 | TheMasterMind1 | that's bullshit |
| 23:29:28 | kergoth` | ZhEN: who knows where the diag application is yanking version information from |
| 23:29:37 | deevee | i cant ftp |
| 23:29:41 | deevee | it seems like it should work |
| 23:29:44 | deevee | since i can ping it fine |
| 23:29:45 | TheMasterMind1 | it should |
| 23:29:46 | Rixster | neat - like that diag mode.. |
| 23:29:56 | TheMasterMind1 | deevee: what rom, desktop software etc/ |
| 23:30:07 | deevee | 2.38 sharp rom |
| 23:30:12 | ZhEN | kergoth: yep. heh, prolly the sharp bootloader ;-) should i try a different kernel (other than 40-24?) |
| 23:30:17 | deevee | my box is mandrake9 |
| 23:30:28 | kergoth` | ZhEN: i'd do the following |
| 23:30:39 | kergoth` | ZhEN: 1) reflash with a sharp rom to ensure the bootloader is fine, becuase ospack includes bootloader |
| 23:31:07 | ZhEN | yeah |
| 23:31:12 | kergoth` | ZhEN: 2) reflash a kernel. only a kernel. say drop zImage-64 and bootflag.txt on the cf, with no initrd.bin. flash the kernel. ensure you can turn it on and you see the pingizauru logo. it wont boot. |
| 23:31:26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:31:28 | kergoth` | ZhEN: then 3) flash the initrd.bin + bootflag.txt but without zImage. |
| 23:31:30 | TheMasterMind1 | the DP thing don't work for me |
| 23:31:31 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 23:31:35 | kergoth` | you can flash kernel and rootfs independently |
| 23:31:48 | ZhEN | kergoth: hmm, ok. give me a minute, the campus network is going slow today... |
| 23:31:56 | deevee | heh |
| 23:31:57 | kergoth` | np |
| 23:32:05 | deevee | i just ftped from my Z to my mandrake box |
| 23:32:05 | Wembly | themastermind1: you have too much freetime :P |
| 23:32:07 | deevee | so ... |
| 23:32:08 | TheMasterMind1 | is he getting pingus |
| 23:32:10 | deevee | that works |
| 23:32:11 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly: i wish |
| 23:32:26 | Wembly | gives themastermind some of his schoolwork cus he dosnt seem to have enough :) |
| 23:32:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly: i have to write 3 lab reports (one having 60 analysis questions) and read 23 chapters and take notes.. |
| 23:32:33 | TheMasterMind1 | by tommorow |
| 23:32:36 | TheMasterMind1 | more shit for tuesday |
| 23:32:45 | deevee | must be my ftp client |
| 23:32:47 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm just a procrastinating lazyass |
| 23:33:04 | TheMasterMind1 | deevee: go to command line and try it |
| 23:33:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ftp |
| 23:33:16 | TheMasterMind1 | open zaurus.ip 4242 |
| 23:33:21 | deevee | k |
| 23:34:01 | deevee | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 23:34:09 | Rixster | how do I get it out of diag mode !!! |
| 23:34:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't get into diagmode |
| 23:34:29 | kergoth` | deevee: sounds like you're on OZ without using Security, or you're on the sharp rom with 2.38 trying to connect via wireless |
| 23:34:31 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: bullshit. |
| 23:34:51 | kergoth` | Rixster: theres an option in the menus to disable the diag mode so that the next reboot is normal |
| 23:34:53 | TheMasterMind1 | TheMasterMind1: huh? |
| 23:34:57 | kergoth` | Rixster: i dont recall the wording, but it wasnt exactly intuitive. |
| 23:35:05 | TheMasterMind1 | deevee: try getting a dhcp ip from the Z over usb |
| 23:35:07 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: i'm familiar with the diagnostics tool, and you can get out of it just fine. |
| 23:35:08 | Wembly | themastermind1: talking to yourself again? |
| 23:35:11 | Rixster | clear boot ? |
| 23:35:22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`: ok, but how do i get INTO it |
| 23:35:30 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 23:35:39 | TheMasterMind1 | s/TheMasterMind1: /kergoth`: / |
| 23:35:39 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 23:35:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm tired |
| 23:35:46 | TheMasterMind1 | and i have so much shit to do |
| 23:35:51 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: zhen said how to do it earlier |
| 23:35:59 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: iirc its c+p+fullreset instead of c+d |
| 23:36:00 | TheMasterMind1 | yea it didn't work |
| 23:36:06 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: but i'd have to check the service manual |
| 23:36:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ah cp |
| 23:36:07 | TheMasterMind1 | i did dp |
| 23:36:07 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 23:36:09 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway |
| 23:36:12 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of work |
| 23:36:15 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 23:36:18 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: no, dp does it ;-) |
| 23:36:21 | ZhEN | lata |
| 23:36:31 | Rixster | dp gets you into diag - how do I get out ?? |
| 23:36:44 | Rixster | cp ? |
| 23:36:47 | ZhEN | put the switch back into battery mode, then hit dp again |
| 23:37:04 | kergoth` | or jsut hit the option in the diags to disable diagnostics. |
| 23:37:11 | kergoth` | heh |
| 23:37:20 | ZhEN | that works too ;-) |
| 23:37:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ok so i flip the switch |
| 23:37:26 | TheMasterMind1 | press DP |
| 23:37:27 | TheMasterMind1 | then what |
| 23:37:33 | MSpin | I recall seeing a webpage that talked about getting the Z to beep from code...any ideas? |
| 23:37:41 | TheMasterMind1 | MSpin: howto |
| 23:37:43 | | well, howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 23:37:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot howtos |
| 23:37:52 | kergoth` | MSpin: the howtos should have a doc on interfacing with the collie buzzer device |
| 23:37:54 | kergoth` | yep |
| 23:37:55 | MSpin | TheMasterMind1: that's it, thaks |
| 23:38:06 | mrwoody | hi kergoth: I think that i did some mistakes on installing the oz.... now my z doesn't react anymore... (except for total flash) what is the best way to save it? buy a cf reader? |
| 23:38:18 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: just hit the on/off switch |
| 23:38:21 | kergoth` | mrwoody: doesnt react? in what way? |
| 23:38:24 | TheMasterMind1 | cancel ? |
| 23:38:32 | TheMasterMind1 | do i hold down DP and press cancel? |
| 23:38:37 | mrwoody | kergoth': well it looks dead |
| 23:38:57 | Rixster | damn thing's still going into diag mode !! |
| 23:39:03 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 23:39:04 | mrwoody | kergoth`: except when i press c+d+ reset |
| 23:39:28 | Rixster | I "clear the flag", hit the ok button, press off, switch off, switch on , press on and it's diag mode again |
| 23:39:36 | ZhEN | kerogth: what is the homepage for OZ, besides sourceforge... |
| 23:39:41 | Rixster | ne ideas ? |
| 23:39:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: heh |
| 23:39:46 | TheMasterMind1 | there is none |
| 23:39:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yet.. |
| 23:39:50 | ZhEN | hehe |
| 23:39:54 | kergoth` | ZhEN: isnt one yet. unfortunately. we'll have openzaurus.org up soon |
| 23:40:44 | ZhEN | kergoth: sweet |
| 23:40:54 | mrwoody | kergoth`: any advice? |
| 23:40:54 | ZhEN | kergoth: i am almost done downloading.... |
| 23:41:03 | ZhEN | kergoth: the sharp rom that is |
| 23:41:05 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`: are we ever going to release a new oz? |
| 23:41:10 | kergoth` | mrwoody: hm, nothing immediately comes to mind |
| 23:41:19 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: yes. I want opie successfully running as a nonroot user first. |
| 23:41:24 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: there isnt much to be done there though |
| 23:41:28 | TheMasterMind1 | that's going to take ages |
| 23:41:31 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: couple devices need fixed permissions yet. |
| 23:41:32 | ZhEN | is away: brb - laundry |
| 23:41:34 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: no. |
| 23:41:37 | mrwoody | kergoth`: so onl solution would be to buy the cf reader, or not even that wouldwork? |
| 23:41:46 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: /dev/null and a few other devices need corrected permissions, thats it |
| 23:41:52 | TheMasterMind1 | mrwoody: how did you get OZ onto your Zaurus in the first places |
| 23:41:54 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: hunger has run opie as a nonroot user already |
| 23:41:57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`: ok cool |
| 23:42:01 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: probably ftp/scp'd it over usb |
| 23:42:08 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: via ftp |
| 23:42:34 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 23:42:37 | TheMasterMind1 | the ipks? |
| 23:42:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:42:43 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting approach |
| 23:42:53 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: he probably ftp'd the initrd.bin adn shit onto his cf over usb |
| 23:42:53 | TheMasterMind1 | or onto cf |
| 23:42:54 | TheMasterMind1 | the image |
| 23:42:54 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 23:42:55 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: its common |
| 23:43:02 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: but there's no way to recover if it fails |
| 23:43:07 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:43:13 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: I did that my first time I built a custom initrd.bin early on.. |
| 23:43:20 | kergoth` | TheMasterMind1: learned pretty fast to buy a cf reader :) |
| 23:43:27 | TheMasterMind1 | happened to me on the bus once.. |
| 23:43:43 | mrwoody | kergoth`: i couldn't do that? |
| 23:43:50 | Rixster | do i do a full reset to get out of diag mode ?? |
| 23:43:54 | TheMasterMind1 | i like my CF reader |
| 23:43:58 | TheMasterMind1 | only 8 bucks |
| 23:44:03 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: so the solution is? |
| 23:44:06 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: where? |
| 23:44:09 | ZhEN | is back (gone 00:02:36) |
| 23:44:09 | kergoth` | Rixster: use the same procedure you got into it with, or hit the option in the diags to disable them |
| 23:44:12 | TheMasterMind1 | its pcmcia |
| 23:44:24 | kergoth` | CF readers rock. usb, pcmcia. anything. |
| 23:44:25 | TheMasterMind1 | buy.com |
| 23:44:36 | Rixster | but *exactly* how do I reboot ? |
| 23:44:39 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: so that would solve my problem? |
| 23:44:39 | TheMasterMind1 | the pcmcia ones are nice.. cheap, small, etc |
| 23:44:49 | TheMasterMind1 | mrwoody: yes, you could reflash sharp or oz onto the Z |
| 23:47:01 | ZhEN | kergoth: alright, flashing w/ sharp 2.38 |
| 23:47:10 | Rixster | it's back - but I guess the ram's knackered |
| 23:47:15 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: i am a bit ignorant: cf reader is also cf writer, right? |
| 23:47:28 | TheMasterMind1 | mrwoody: yep :) |
| 23:48:33 | Rixster | Can anyone recommend a decent MMC card ? |
| 23:49:12 | Rixster | I bought a "Jessops" (as they didn't have any other brands) and I think it's a rebadged SanDisk |
| 23:49:25 | Rixster | so I looses it's mount after each suspend |
| 23:51:18 | ZhEN | kergoth: hmm, 2.38 did not work, i am trying 2.37 |
| 23:51:55 | kergoth` | hm |
| 23:52:07 | ZhEN | that has happened before though |
| 23:52:40 | chouimat|Alias | brb tv |
| 23:56:32 | ZhEN | kergoth: sigh, the net here is so skiw |
| 23:56:35 | ZhEN | *slow |
