| 00:05:19 | chouimat | back |
| 00:10:41 | chouimat | hmm is this a bug my Z doesn't seem able to keep my ext2fs to type 83 |
| 00:13:13 | numatrix | jbardin: Excellent. |
| 00:13:26 | Neo|Work | is away: GONE |
| 00:13:54 | numatrix | This old man, he played one, he played knick-knack on my thumb, and this old man he played two, it gave me a sign and it sent me back to you... |
| 00:23:26 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: school = bad. sleep = good. |
| 00:24:36 | br33zy | very true ^ |
| 00:31:18 | shikala | Opinion request. What would you say is typical around here, Full Sharp Rom, Sharp Rom with OPIE, FULL OpenZaurus? |
| 00:32:39 | shikala | anybody? Anyone still awake? :-) |
| 00:32:59 | numatrix | 1 or 3. Is it even possible to run shar rom with opie? |
| 00:33:48 | shikala | That's what it suggests out on wox (opie's bleading edge site) |
| 00:34:10 | shikala | It seems like you can run everything but the task bar...easily. |
| 00:34:18 | numatrix | shikala: Ahhh. |
| 00:34:27 | numatrix | shikala: Well, you can run an opie apps you want, but that's not running opie... |
| 00:34:37 | shikala | Exactly |
| 00:34:45 | numatrix | shikala: Yeah, you can load libopie and all the apps. I guess that's pretty close. |
| 00:35:09 | numatrix | shikala: However; it's possibly to use a newer QT/e with OZ, so it's probably worth the upgrade as soon as it stabalizes. |
| 00:35:39 | shikala | I chose option 3 after 3 or 4 months of though. It's very customizable, but I sort of miss some of the little things. |
| 00:35:53 | shikala | s/though/usage |
| 00:36:16 | shikala | of the zaurus rom, that is. |
| 00:36:44 | shikala | numatrix: I was noticing that earlier...still not 3.x, so what is the bennefit? |
| 00:37:00 | shikala | Just new api fixes, etc? |
| 00:37:02 | numatrix | shikala: There are already a ton of benefits. |
| 00:37:23 | numatrix | shikala: Big ones include: being able to read/write to the internal 16mb flash that is read-only in the sharp rom. |
| 00:37:27 | Harlekin | benmeyer: ping |
| 00:37:51 | shikala | true...but I filled up my root file system mighty quickly...even installing apps to /mnt/ram. ;-) |
| 00:37:54 | numatrix | shikala: So that means you can remove the apps you don't like in the default install, so it's a lot more space efficient. Not to mention it uses a compressed file system to make even more of the space. |
| 00:38:16 | shikala | ah..that's cool. Don't get me wrong...I'm liking OZ. |
| 00:38:26 | numatrix | shikala: Sure, it's easy; you really need an SD card to install a lot of the fun stuff. |
| 00:38:44 | numatrix | shikala: There are a ton of other benefits; let me think. You can set a background in opie. ;-) I love that part... |
| 00:39:02 | shikala | numatrix: Me to. And liquid. Nuf said |
| 00:39:07 | shikala | heh heh |
| 00:39:16 | shikala | Transparent Squish |
| 00:39:24 | numatrix | shikala: Yeah, except liquid is.. well, pretty buggy still. |
| 00:39:51 | shikala | I havn't seen TOO many issues yet...other than performance related. |
| 00:40:19 | shikala | It's just so good at making those palm and CE users so JELLOUS! |
| 00:40:38 | shikala | thinks he needs a new spell checker. |
| 00:40:50 | numatrix | :-) |
| 00:41:10 | shikala | numatrix: You an OZ person then? |
| 00:41:49 | shikala | I know I'm a convert. It would take voice recognition to get me back. ;-) |
| 00:43:12 | shikala | numatrix: Thanks for the little chat. Now, back to work! heh heh |
| 00:43:35 | numatrix | shikala: I am. No problem, have fun. |
| 00:45:18 | jbardin | numatric but i cant ping the pc from the z and the other way round |
| 00:45:32 | numatrix | jbardin: huh? I thought you could ping? |
| 00:45:53 | jbardin | i could ping 192.168.129.201 from 192.168.129.201 |
| 00:47:00 | numatrix | Gotcha; just local ip. |
| 00:47:20 | numatrix | jbardin: So you need to adjust your routes still? |
| 00:48:06 | numatrix | Any of the busybox developers around now? |
| 00:48:22 | jbardin | yea |
| 00:48:40 | numatrix | jbardin: Does the zaurus have the right routes? |
| 00:48:45 | jbardin | dont know |
| 00:48:50 | jbardin | i can ping the z from the z |
| 00:48:52 | jbardin | and thats it |
| 00:49:17 | numatrix | jbardin: Right; but check 'route' on the Z to see if it knows to talk to the desktop ip. |
| 00:50:19 | chouimat | the sound quality of the media player is it good? |
| 00:50:32 | jbardin | how would i know? |
| 00:51:52 | jbardin | should i do route add default gateway 192.168.129.201 or 192.168.129.200 ? |
| 00:51:58 | jbardin | where 200 == pc and 201 == z |
| 00:52:06 | numatrix | jbardin: From the zaurus or the desktop? |
| 00:52:17 | numatrix | jbardin: I mean, whwere are you considering adding that route? |
| 00:52:27 | jbardin | on the z |
| 00:52:49 | numatrix | jbardin: On the zaurus you'll want the default route to be to 192.168.129.200 since you want all traffic to head towards the PC. |
| 00:53:08 | numatrix | On the desktop side, you want just traffic destined for 192.168.129.201 to head to 192.168.129.201. |
| 00:53:20 | jbardin | when i do that on the Z i get SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 00:53:22 | Xentac | is away: running and hiding! |
| 00:53:41 | numatrix | jbardin: Is the usbnet running now? |
| 00:54:31 | jbardin | on my pc yers |
| 00:54:33 | numatrix | jbardin: Do you just have lo on an ifconfig of the zaurus or do you see any other networks? |
| 00:54:36 | jbardin | i have hooked other z's to it |
| 00:54:45 | jbardin | no usbd0 is on the zaurs |
| 00:54:49 | jbardin | and iuts ip is 192.168.129.201 |
| 00:54:54 | numatrix | Right, and right. |
| 00:54:56 | numatrix | Hrm. |
| 00:55:06 | jbardin | so i think the prob is the routing on the z |
| 00:55:22 | jbardin | it is set to use 192.168.1.201 |
| 00:55:31 | jbardin | but i need to work on the 192.168.129.x |
| 00:56:01 | numatrix | What else does the Z need to access on the 192.168.129.0/24? |
| 01:08:03 | jbardin | nuthin |
| 01:08:11 | jbardin | just 192.168.129.201 |
| 01:08:16 | jbardin | anyone watching dateline |
| 01:09:28 | roge99 | jbardin: yea |
| 01:09:47 | numatrix | Ok, all, I'm out... jbardin: Try and get somebody more knowledgable than me. Anselor and I will be working on it, so if I find anything, I'll let you know. Drop me an email (jordan@d0pe.com) if anything comes up. |
| 01:09:51 | numatrix | later |
| 01:09:53 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 01:23:24 | Fatbum | is 802.11b blutooth? |
| 01:23:28 | Fatbum | or diff beast |
| 01:23:30 | Fatbum | ??? |
| 01:23:58 | hardwire | ? |
| 01:24:05 | hardwire | bluetooth is not 802.11b |
| 01:24:10 | hardwire | more like.. different pussy cat |
| 01:24:19 | Fatbum | 802.11a and b? |
| 01:24:21 | Fatbum | difference? |
| 01:24:37 | hardwire | only a few mhz :) |
| 01:24:52 | Fatbum | 10 and 72? |
| 01:25:01 | hardwire | where the hell did you get numbers like that? |
| 01:25:22 | Fatbum | not mhz |
| 01:25:28 | Fatbum | mbs maybe |
| 01:25:32 | hardwire | no |
| 01:25:40 | hardwire | google is your friend |
| 01:26:55 | mslicker | does anyone know a good compactflash reader(for linux)? |
| 01:40:38 | jbardin | mm |
| 02:14:43 | Sniper | hello! |
| 02:14:52 | treke|home | snipers on late... |
| 02:14:57 | Sniper | yup |
| 02:15:00 | Sniper | i cant get enough of work |
| 02:15:11 | treke|home | slaps Sniper |
| 02:15:17 | Sniper | sick, isnt it? |
| 02:15:35 | treke|home | tries to hide the work on his desk as he says yes |
| 02:15:48 | Sniper | hehe.. |
| 02:17:05 | jbardin | anyone up? |
| 02:17:19 | cdm | kinda |
| 02:17:20 | Sniper | hi |
| 02:17:23 | jbardin | j0.. |
| 02:17:26 | Sniper | cdm.. long time |
| 02:17:32 | jbardin | anyone know howto get this thing talkin to my linux box |
| 02:17:39 | Sniper | (reminds me to send another email to JPN) |
| 02:17:45 | cdm | Sniper! You are here late. |
| 02:17:55 | Sniper | im never on at this time, but thought to sign in |
| 02:18:26 | Xentac | is back (gone 01:25:04) |
| 02:19:16 | Sniper | jbardin.. you using RH? |
| 02:19:22 | jbardin | no debian |
| 02:19:25 | Sniper | hmm.. |
| 02:19:29 | jbardin | but i have all the usbdent stuff working |
| 02:19:30 | Sniper | oh well.. ask ben meyer tomorrow |
| 02:19:34 | jbardin | cause i have had other z's hooked to it |
| 02:19:36 | Sniper | for RH - you can install an RPM for the USB stuff |
| 02:19:44 | jbardin | but using a newer rom version |
| 02:19:57 | jbardin | like the default rom that came with it is set the ip to 192.168.1.291 |
| 02:19:59 | jbardin | er 201 |
| 02:20:01 | Sniper | oh- the new ROM w/ security patch may shutdown the ftp port |
| 02:20:11 | jbardin | i had setup the netwroking on my box to use 192.168.129.201 |
| 02:20:32 | Sniper | i think there's a howto on www.zauruszone.com/howtos |
| 02:21:28 | jbardin | yea itrs of no use |
| 02:22:44 | Sniper | hmm ask ben tomorrow |
| 02:24:34 | NeoTron | Hum. These most recent ppl I'm working with might be a wealth of references for othner titles |
| 02:24:40 | NeoTron | anyone know how to clone me? |
| 02:24:45 | NeoTron | I need a couple of more me |
| 02:25:01 | Sniper | id like to clone neotron |
| 02:25:09 | chouimat | Sniper: hi] |
| 02:25:25 | NeoTron | so far she has given me two contacts, with at least 3-4 games total I'd like to port |
| 02:25:36 | NeoTron | it's like this chain effect. :) |
| 02:25:58 | chouimat | Sniper: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/bob.jpg <- new screenshot (pocketscan) |
| 02:26:38 | Sniper | you're kitty? |
| 02:26:41 | NeoTron | chouimat: that looks surprisingly much like a person and a cat |
| 02:26:43 | Sniper | your kitty i meant |
| 02:26:50 | chouimat | Sniper: yes |
| 02:26:59 | chouimat | NeoTron: it's my cat |
| 02:27:01 | Sniper | i had a black cat like that growing up |
| 02:27:09 | Sniper | his name was chewy |
| 02:27:22 | chouimat | Sniper: my called bob |
| 02:27:22 | NeoTron | chouimat: but it's not a screenshot, now is it? :) |
| 02:27:39 | chouimat | NeoTron: sorry to much beers tonight |
| 02:27:45 | NeoTron | My cats are Boots, Milo, Molly and Panther |
| 02:27:48 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 02:34:01 | NeoTron | is insane. |
| 02:34:18 | NeoTron | rest assure you will never see a new original title by me, with the likely exception of Tetris. :)) |
| 02:34:54 | Sniper | :-) |
| 02:35:11 | NeoTron | actually, eventually I WILL make enough money to live on this.. heh |
| 02:35:17 | NeoTron | might take a few years though |
| 02:35:30 | NeoTron | but imagine if the Qtopia/OPIE market ever comes close to that of PocketPC. |
| 02:35:39 | NeoTron | Me and tkc will be rolling in cash. heh |
| 02:36:09 | NeoTron | does anyone know any recent sales figures for Zaurii (5500 and A300)? |
| 02:36:17 | chouimat | NeoTron: any plan to make a StripPoker game? |
| 02:36:41 | NeoTron | chouimat: well, perhaps. I'm open to the possibility, meaning I have nothing personal against it |
| 02:37:00 | NeoTron | and who knows, it might sell like butter to the geeky Zaurus owner community. :) |
| 02:37:25 | chouimat | NeoTron: you will need a female and a male version :) |
| 02:37:50 | NeoTron | and a penguin version |
| 02:38:05 | scanline | how about an ELF version? |
| 02:38:16 | NeoTron | I see the market area of "pocket p0rn" to be a great one. i.e selling p0rn movies suitable for handheld devices |
| 02:38:17 | chouimat | NeoTron: yurk! beastiality |
| 02:38:30 | NeoTron | chouimat: hehe. "Tux shows it all!!!" |
| 02:39:09 | chouimat | NeoTron: sales are good? |
| 02:39:34 | NeoTron | nothing compared to sales on PocketPC for the same product |
| 02:39:53 | chouimat | NeoTron: ok |
| 02:40:43 | NeoTron | Dragon Bane 2 is definitely one of the more involved ports |
| 02:40:54 | NeoTron | more involved == most time consuming |
| 02:41:00 | hardwire | shots? |
| 02:41:15 | chouimat | NeoTron: like my odb2 app |
| 02:41:24 | chouimat | sorry obd2 |
| 02:41:45 | superdupershant | anyone know how i can get dhcp work on the Z |
| 02:42:55 | chouimat | hi kalldrexx |
| 02:43:00 | kalldrexx | there inst'a nyway to view a .mov on the z is tehre? |
| 02:43:01 | kalldrexx | hey chouimat |
| 02:43:15 | chouimat | kalldrexx: convert it to something else |
| 02:43:24 | Onyx4 | kalldrexx! |
| 02:43:26 | kalldrexx | how |
| 02:43:27 | kalldrexx | hey Onyx4 |
| 02:43:29 | kalldrexx | been busy |
| 02:43:31 | kalldrexx | :) |
| 02:43:35 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 02:43:39 | Onyx4 | me too |
| 02:43:53 | chouimat | kalldrexx: their is some windows app doing this |
| 02:43:58 | kalldrexx | so is there a way to convert it? i wanna bring this new LOTR trailer to school |
| 02:44:07 | kalldrexx | chouimat: you have a link? |
| 02:44:14 | NeoTron | hardwire: of Dragon Bane 2? |
| 02:44:18 | NeoTron | http://www.mythological.com/ |
| 02:44:23 | chouimat | kalldrexx: no, but my brother have one |
| 02:44:29 | NeoTron | and http://www.mmggames.com/ |
| 02:44:35 | kalldrexx | hrm |
| 02:44:54 | chouimat | try google |
| 02:45:02 | kalldrexx | for what? a .mov ocnverter? |
| 02:45:18 | chouimat | kalldrexx: quicktime to .avi |
| 02:45:29 | kalldrexx | ooh found a .mov to mpeg |
| 02:46:11 | kalldrexx | sweet found somehting |
| 02:46:16 | | zmencoder is at http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 02:46:16 | kalldrexx | ibot zmencoder |
| 02:46:53 | | rodzilla: i'm not following you... |
| 02:46:53 | rodzilla | ibot h3600_hal.o |
| 02:47:10 | kalldrexx | Onyx4: what was that thing that i needed to compile? lame? |
| 02:47:14 | rodzilla | opie won't start on my Z |
| 02:47:21 | Onyx4 | kalldrexx: yes |
| 02:47:25 | rodzilla | because /proc/hal dir does not exist |
| 02:47:30 | Onyx4 | kalldrexx: but it looked like you had it already tough |
| 02:47:42 | kalldrexx | Onyx4: i reinstalled linux cuase i screwed up some kde stuff |
| 02:47:50 | rodzilla | looked on ipkgfind but it doesn't have 2.4.6 kernel, only 2.4.16+ |
| 02:47:57 | kergoth | rodzilla: um |
| 02:48:03 | Onyx4 | kalldrexx: ha ... yeah get lame, look on rpmfind.net for it |
| 02:48:03 | kergoth | rodzilla: you have a ipaq 3600? |
| 02:48:15 | rodzilla | ah, |
| 02:48:22 | kergoth | rodzilla: cause if not, you dont wnat that. |
| 02:48:23 | rodzilla | was reading on web page someone had the same error |
| 02:48:36 | kergoth | rodzilla: what feed did you get opie from? |
| 02:48:38 | kergoth | rodzilla: OZ/ |
| 02:48:47 | rodzilla | problem is that hal dir in /proc is missing |
| 02:48:53 | chouimat | kalldrexx: size? |
| 02:49:16 | kergoth | rodzilla: Z doesnt have a hal dir. |
| 02:49:25 | kergoth | rodzilla: you probably tried to install a ipaq opie build in oz |
| 02:49:27 | kergoth | rodzilla: or something |
| 02:49:37 | rodzilla | just did an update, then an upgrade |
| 02:49:55 | rodzilla | the opie init script looks for that dir now |
| 02:50:06 | kergoth | rodzilla: upgrade from *where* |
| 02:50:11 | kergoth | rodzilla: i've asked this twice now |
| 02:50:21 | kergoth | rodzilla: OZ? sharp rom? |
| 02:50:25 | rodzilla | default oz feed |
| 02:50:30 | kergoth | rodzilla: give me some information. i'm not a psychic. |
| 02:50:39 | chouimat | kergoth: is it normal but my ext2 format cf always revert to a FAT16 partition |
| 02:50:41 | rodzilla | using oz not sharp rom |
| 02:50:55 | kergoth | chouimat: uhm, no. it shouldnt do that. what rom? |
| 02:51:01 | chouimat | kergoth: 1.39 |
| 02:51:09 | kergoth | chouimat: check the filesystem in fstab |
| 02:51:15 | chouimat | kergoth: ok |
| 02:51:19 | kergoth | chouimat: and did you mkfs the mmcda1 or mmcda? |
| 02:51:29 | chouimat | kergoth: /dev/hda1 |
| 02:52:07 | rodzilla | only feed I had was the oz/3.0 default feed |
| 02:52:15 | kergoth | chouimat: okay, good |
| 02:52:36 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm using linux since 1994 |
| 02:52:48 | kergoth | chouimat: hey same here |
| 02:53:00 | chouimat | kergoth: it's when I try to mount it with my sandisk SDDR-31 |
| 02:53:06 | kergoth | rodzilla: I havent heard that report before. I'm about to update the feed in a sec |
| 02:53:16 | kalldrexx | Onyx4: i have debain |
| 02:53:17 | kergoth | chouimat: with what mount cmd? |
| 02:53:31 | Onyx4 | kalldrexx: lame is in the non-free stuff on debian.org |
| 02:53:39 | kalldrexx | Onyx4: you know what apckage name? |
| 02:53:46 | Onyx4 | kalldrexx: lame maybe? |
| 02:53:52 | chouimat | kergoth: mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/cf but I must do a fdisk to change the partition type before |
| 02:53:54 | rodzilla | I took the default (No) on all prompts to replace current file with file from package during the upgrade |
| 02:54:09 | jbardin | arrrrrrg |
| 02:54:13 | kalldrexx | Onyx4: no,, there's glame and toollame :-/ |
| 02:54:20 | KhensU | Onyx4: no it isn't |
| 02:54:21 | kalldrexx | i'll just go to rpmfind.net |
| 02:54:31 | jbardin | is there anyway to upgrade the rom without a cf card? |
| 02:54:45 | rodzilla | no |
| 02:54:48 | jbardin | urg |
| 02:54:52 | jordan | jbardin: Maybe. |
| 02:54:54 | Onyx4 | KhensU: what is it then? :) |
| 02:55:08 | jordan | jbardin: In your case no. Not for the dev units. Only the commercial roms did sharp release installers that could do it. |
| 02:55:42 | KhensU | Onyx4: show me where so I can remove it ;) |
| 02:55:58 | chouimat | wonders if writing that soft is difficult |
| 02:56:26 | jbardin | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=5 (error=-110) |
| 02:56:30 | jbardin | what does that mean |
| 02:57:20 | Onyx4 | KhensU: hehe :) |
| 02:57:44 | rodzilla | ooh, it's getting late |
| 02:57:49 | rodzilla | I'll try the feed again tomorrow |
| 02:57:52 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 02:58:03 | rodzilla | thanks |
| 02:58:06 | rodzilla | later.. |
| 03:00:59 | Speedy2 | re |
| 03:01:06 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 03:01:47 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 03:01:50 | Speedy2 | Not off hand. |
| 03:02:47 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 03:03:08 | Speedy2 | Hi kergoth! |
| 03:03:14 | kergoth | how are ya |
| 03:03:27 | Speedy2 | Wembly : Well, you'll need a quality iron and maybe even a microscope |
| 03:03:42 | Speedy2 | kergoth : Not too bad, on a trip to help my brother move, right now I'm in Philly. How goes your stuff? |
| 03:03:48 | kergoth | ahh |
| 03:03:52 | kergoth | busy as hell |
| 03:03:54 | Speedy2 | kergoth : Dunno if I mentioned, but I demoed my charger and all went well :) |
| 03:03:55 | kergoth | hectic. no time. |
| 03:04:00 | kergoth | nice, glad to hear it. |
| 03:06:10 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 03:06:19 | Speedy2 | The MasterMind needs the model number for the IR transciever used on the Z |
| 03:06:38 | jbardin | kergoth why wold i get getting usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 03:06:42 | jbardin | when i modprobe usbdnet |
| 03:06:47 | jbardin | noting that it has worked before |
| 03:06:57 | kergoth | jbardin: any other useful messages? check dmesg |
| 03:07:09 | jbardin | usbdnet.c: v0.4b sl@lineo.com, tbr@lineo.com |
| 03:07:09 | jbardin | usbdnet.c: USB Host to Device Network - for Linux USB Devices using MDLM/CDC |
| 03:07:09 | jbardin | usb.c: registered new driver usbdnet |
| 03:07:10 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah, okay i'll talk to him tomorrow, i'm sure he's asleep atm |
| 03:07:12 | BZFlag | Speedy2: why? /me goes to check. |
| 03:07:17 | Speedy2 | Hey BZFlag |
| 03:07:21 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 03:07:34 | jbardin | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=17 (error=-110) |
| 03:07:36 | jbardin | i get that too |
| 03:07:40 | jbardin | when i hit the sync button |
| 03:07:44 | Speedy2 | BZFlag : He wants to know how to get the Z to transmit consumer IR codes and doesn't belive me when I tell him the range of the IR TX is pretty far. |
| 03:07:51 | Speedy2 | consumer IR codes == TV, etc. |
| 03:08:32 | kergoth | jbardin: that indicates you're having 1) probs with your desktop usb bus/controller, 2) Z doesnt have the modules loaded, or 3) Z's drivers went quirky, reboo it |
| 03:09:21 | Fatbum | there a new release? |
| 03:09:22 | Nighthawk98TJ | when my Z gets here, i dunno if im even gonna plug it into the usb port... i think ill just sync everything over wireless |
| 03:09:35 | | optimized is, like, new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ |
| 03:09:35 | Fatbum | ibot optimized |
| 03:09:44 | br33zy | is software the problem? |
| 03:09:44 | kergoth | Fatbum: no official new release yet |
| 03:09:45 | br33zy | i mean |
| 03:09:47 | kergoth | Fatbum: no time |
| 03:09:48 | br33zy | there is LIRC.. |
| 03:09:51 | jbardin | well i know i have had it working before with another z |
| 03:10:05 | br33zy | jbardin: is software the problem? |
| 03:10:10 | kergoth | jbardin: okay.. i told you the possible sources of the problem. next step is to determine which it is. |
| 03:10:17 | numatrix|home | kergoth: just fyi, this is a 5000d that jbardin is working with now. |
| 03:10:19 | jbardin | i have rebooted trhe z same problem |
| 03:10:22 | Speedy2 | Yeah, I don't know if LIRC is properly interfacing with the StrongARM's IrDa interface or not. |
| 03:10:32 | jbardin | yea with the old default rom on it |
| 03:10:33 | Speedy2 | Err...serial/IrDA port |
| 03:10:34 | br33zy | hmm |
| 03:10:55 | Speedy2 | Anyway, I just e-mailed TheMastermind to get the data sheets, hopefully that will be of help to him. |
| 03:11:03 | kergoth | jbardin: did you lsmod on the Z to determine whether it was item #2 on th elist of possibilities i gav eyou? |
| 03:11:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:11:05 | br33zy | I think it should, there is a port for the iPAQ |
| 03:11:10 | br33zy | and it says it runs on zaurus |
| 03:11:17 | br33zy | PDAs: |
| 03:11:18 | br33zy | Agenda VR3 |
| 03:11:18 | br33zy | HP iPAQ |
| 03:11:18 | br33zy | Sharp Zaurus |
| 03:11:23 | br33zy | www.lirc.org |
| 03:11:42 | jbardin | k no modules on the z |
| 03:11:55 | jbardin | modprobe usb_fd ? |
| 03:12:18 | kergoth | jbardin: you need like 5 modules |
| 03:12:27 | kergoth | jbardin: usbdmonitor, usbdcore, net_fd, sa1100_bi |
| 03:12:30 | kergoth | jbardin: 4 i mean |
| 03:12:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:12:43 | numatrix|home | kergoth: Shouldn't those all be loaded though? Even in the 5000d's basic rom? |
| 03:12:49 | BZFlag | Speedy2: SHDN(IO3/TC35143) mean anything? |
| 03:12:54 | kergoth | numatrix|home: yep, in theory |
| 03:13:09 | numatrix|home | kergoth: Anselor was having a similar problem as well with his 5000d when I talked him into trying to flash it, now he's got a whole new set of problems. |
| 03:13:14 | NeoTron | oh man http://www.engrish.com/adultsonly/adultworld/source/spreadbeaver.html |
| 03:13:19 | Speedy2 | BZFlag : Umm...I would expect the IR transciever to be a Sharp or HP one... |
| 03:13:32 | kergoth | numatrix|home: no idea.. i never had problems when i had my 5000d |
| 03:13:39 | jbardin | k got those loaded |
| 03:13:46 | jbardin | rock |
| 03:13:52 | jbardin | didnt get the message in dmesg |
| 03:14:15 | BZFlag | Speedy2: sharp GP2W0110YP ? |
| 03:14:25 | jbardin | now how do i setup my route so i can get them to talk to each othjer? |
| 03:14:29 | kalldrexx | Onyx4: cna't get to rpmfind.net |
| 03:14:34 | Speedy2 | BZFlag : Could be, let me check it out |
| 03:14:43 | kalldrexx | chouimat|Zzzz: size of? |
| 03:14:47 | jbardin | like i can ping 192.168.129.200 from x.x.x.200 |
| 03:14:53 | jbardin | but i cant get to the z |
| 03:14:57 | jbardin | and viuce versa |
| 03:15:13 | BZFlag | Speedy2: yep, that looks like the one from the schematics. |
| 03:15:14 | Speedy2 | Tim: Looks like it |
| 03:15:16 | jbardin | route add default gw 192.168.129.200 on the z doesnt help |
| 03:15:57 | Cloudchaser_ | what rom? |
| 03:16:08 | Speedy2 | Tim: It'st he one, but the data sheet is quite sparse. |
| 03:16:30 | BZFlag | VHPGP2W0110-1 is the part code. ;-) |
| 03:17:28 | Sniper | speedy: havent seen u in a while |
| 03:17:54 | Cloudchaser_ | jbardin what rom and os (pc) |
| 03:18:13 | BZFlag | http://www.sharp.co.jp/ecg/opto/products/pdf/en/ird/irda_devices/gp2w0110yp_e.pdf |
| 03:18:36 | Speedy2 | How many pages is that? The one I found is 2 pages. |
| 03:19:57 | jbardin | debian |
| 03:20:23 | jbardin | and 1.5.0 ? |
| 03:20:34 | jbardin | says in sysinfo built on Oct 23 2001 |
| 03:21:21 | BZFlag | yeah, just 2 pages. communications distance rated .2 meters |
| 03:22:03 | kalldrexx | Onyx4: you here? |
| 03:22:07 | Bala | thats for the min distance though.. |
| 03:22:48 | Speedy2 | BZFlag : You see .2 meters where? |
| 03:23:10 | BZFlag | bottom of the first page. specs. |
| 03:23:19 | Speedy2 | Yeah, nm, I see it |
| 03:24:44 | Speedy2 | Technically, it's supposed to be less than a foot |
| 03:24:53 | Speedy2 | 1 foot = .3048 M |
| 03:24:55 | Speedy2 | 1 foot = .3048m |
| 03:25:06 | Speedy2 | Jeeze, Sharp really skimpped! |
| 03:25:17 | Speedy2 | Most of the HP IrDA units can do more than 10 feet. |
| 03:25:39 | Wembly | speedy2: herm? |
| 03:25:43 | Wembly | this transmit or recv? |
| 03:25:49 | Speedy2 | This is TX |
| 03:25:59 | kergoth | night all |
| 03:26:01 | Speedy2 | It can be increased if the current limiting resistor is changed |
| 03:26:02 | cdm | cya kergoth |
| 03:26:04 | Speedy2 | Night kergoth |
| 03:26:05 | Speedy2 | Hey cdm |
| 03:26:11 | Cloudchaser_ | g'night kergoth |
| 03:26:20 | Speedy2 | Didn't see you breathing there. |
| 03:26:34 | Wembly | but thatd drain more battery no? |
| 03:26:37 | Cloudchaser_ | jbardin did you read the how-to on how to set up your usb in linux? |
| 03:26:38 | Speedy2 | Yeah. |
| 03:26:51 | Wembly | wish the darn resister was controlable by the cpu :/ |
| 03:27:11 | jbardin | man this is hopeless |
| 03:27:21 | Cloudchaser_ | did you? |
| 03:28:48 | jbardin | yea |
| 03:28:55 | jbardin | i have had it working with another z before |
| 03:29:16 | jbardin | but my new z defaulted to 192.168.1.201 and i tried to change the ips in the seup |
| 03:29:20 | jbardin | but it didnt work |
| 03:29:42 | Cloudchaser_ | 192.168.1.201 and not 192.168.129.201? |
| 03:30:08 | jbardin | yea |
| 03:30:40 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 03:30:44 | Speedy2 | The data is sheet is ambiguous |
| 03:30:51 | Speedy2 | It says comm distance, it doesn't say TX range. |
| 03:31:36 | Cloudchaser_ | dunno then, sorry.. |
| 03:31:41 | jbardin | hmm |
| 03:31:56 | Cloudchaser_ | i'm off to dreamland..g'night and good luck |
| 03:32:08 | Bala | its also a min rated distance.. icould jsut be playing safe on the spec sheet... |
| 03:32:45 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 03:33:11 | Speedy2 | It says comm distance, doesn't talk about TX and RX range. The only clue is the current through the IR LED, 32mA. |
| 03:35:16 | Speedy2 | Anyway |
| 03:35:19 | Speedy2 | Not my worry |
| 03:36:34 | Sniper | aight - im off to bed gnite |
| 03:36:38 | Speedy2 | Sniper! |
| 03:36:39 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 03:37:04 | | hmmm... sniper is NOONE's slave |
| 03:37:04 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 03:43:22 | Sniper | yawn |
| 03:45:26 | jbardin | still no luck witht he routing problem ;( |
| 03:45:52 | Sniper | hmph- |
| 03:46:03 | Sniper | ifconfig |
| 03:46:25 | jbardin | on my pc the ip is 192.168.1.200 and the route is |
| 03:46:31 | jbardin | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0\ |
| 03:46:38 | Sniper | hold let me look something up |
| 03:46:46 | jbardin | so everything going to 192.168.1.x should go through usb0 right? |
| 03:48:03 | Sniper | darn |
| 03:48:11 | Speedy2 | NV30 |
| 03:48:15 | Sniper | i was trying tol look up the exact info for usb0 |
| 03:49:28 | Sniper | > DEVICE=usb0 |
| 03:49:28 | Sniper | > BOOTPROTO=none |
| 03:49:28 | Sniper | > IPADDR=192.168.129.201 |
| 03:49:28 | Sniper | > BROADCAST=192.168.129.255 |
| 03:49:28 | Sniper | > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 |
| 03:49:29 | Sniper | > NETWORK=192.168.129.0 |
| 03:51:17 | Speedy2 | Later Sniper |
| 03:51:22 | Speedy2 | Don't snipe anyone I know ;) |
| 03:51:37 | hardwire | hah |
| 03:51:38 | jbardin | uuuurg |
| 03:51:43 | hardwire | that was terrible |
| 03:51:47 | jbardin | this is hopeless |
| 03:51:49 | Sniper | nah ... haven't sniped anyone in a while. i used to when i played counter-stirke |
| 03:51:58 | Speedy2 | I hope you weren't a camper |
| 03:52:05 | Sniper | camp camp camp.. hehe |
| 03:52:13 | Speedy2 | hates campers |
| 03:52:16 | Sniper | well with my AWP - i had to camp |
| 03:52:17 | Sniper | :-) |
| 03:52:46 | Wembly | hehe |
| 03:52:54 | Wembly | siwwy peoples :) |
| 03:53:37 | Wembly | *playes t2 and stuffs* |
| 03:53:40 | Wembly | siwwy cs peoples. |
| 03:55:05 | jbardin | how do i check which romversion i have? |
| 03:55:16 | Wembly | for what sharprom? |
| 03:55:18 | Wembly | or oz? |
| 03:55:36 | jbardin | sharprom |
| 03:55:40 | Wembly | dunno hehe |
| 03:55:58 | jbardin | and does anyone know if /etc/hotplug/usbd.agent has to be chmod +x ? |
| 03:58:30 | Grimdusk | jbardin: have you checked under System Info -> Version ? |
| 03:59:00 | jbardin | i get 1.50 |
| 03:59:56 | Grimdusk | whats it say under linux kernel, where it lists ROM version |
| 04:01:39 | jbardin | 2.4.6 |
| 04:01:54 | br33zy | ibot message for warmi: The world spins round and round.. |
| 04:01:57 | Grimdusk | further down :) |
| 04:02:47 | jbardin | -rmk1-np2-embed |
| 04:03:34 | Grimdusk | its on the last line when you scroll all the way down |
| 04:04:09 | jbardin | umm i have no scroll window? |
| 04:09:55 | anseror | grr |
| 04:10:18 | anseror | my Z is messed up. |
| 04:11:02 | | openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net. Also ask me about oz3 feed, oz faq, and oz bk. or /join #openzaurus |
| 04:11:02 | anseror | ibot openzaurus |
| 04:20:01 | Xentac | is away: sleeping |
| 04:20:36 | hardwire | augh |
| 04:20:58 | anseror | there's no zimage listed for the latest openzaurus release |
| 04:21:03 | anseror | do i just use the previous one? |
| 04:21:17 | anseror | i'm trying openzaurus since i can't seem to get the sharp roms to load properly... |
| 04:22:29 | anseror | i think i got a faulty zaurus |
| 04:37:00 | hardwire | faulty? |
| 04:54:56 | NeoTron | what a drag to make dialog boxes |
| 04:55:05 | NeoTron | although in this case, designer is sufficient |
| 04:56:01 | NeoTron | btw, l33t snapshot from DB2 port: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot.png |
| 04:56:09 | NeoTron | that's about as far as I have come too btw |
| 04:57:56 | hardwire | I have never seen db2 |
| 05:03:48 | Bala | heh.. and here i thought you were porting the database for IBM :) |
| 05:03:53 | jbardin | well gonna try a new kernel |
| 05:03:56 | jbardin | exit |
| 05:06:49 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 05:08:20 | NeoTron | Bala: heh, nope |
| 05:16:44 | jbardin | well the kernel didnt fix anything |
| 05:16:48 | jbardin | except make ut2003 run faster |
| 05:17:53 | anseror | yay, openzaurus worked |
| 05:17:58 | anseror | and it syncs too |
| 05:18:21 | Bala | you finally de-bricked it? |
| 05:18:24 | anseror | yeah |
| 05:18:30 | anseror | i think there's just something wrong with the sharp roms |
| 05:18:43 | jbardin | hmm |
| 05:18:46 | jbardin | i wish i had a flash card |
| 05:18:58 | jbardin | how much does one cost that will work to upgrade the rom |
| 05:19:09 | anseror | are you one of numatrix's coworkers? |
| 05:19:18 | jbardin | no, just a fellow contenstant |
| 05:19:20 | Bala | or maybe your brand of CF with the sharp roms.. or its format.. or someweird magnetic flux in the upper ionosphere |
| 05:19:22 | anseror | ah |
| 05:19:35 | anseror | i tried 3 different brands of cf cards |
| 05:19:43 | anseror | and 3 different sharp roms |
| 05:19:46 | anseror | multiple times |
| 05:19:47 | Bala | i dont know then.. heh.. i dont even own a Z :) |
| 05:20:10 | anseror | openzaurus worked on the first try |
| 05:20:19 | anseror | Bala: do you have an ipaq or something? |
| 05:20:53 | jbardin | arg |
| 05:21:22 | anseror | jbardin - i think you just need one that's like 32 megs |
| 05:21:24 | Bala | nope.. nada |
| 05:21:34 | anseror | you could even just goto the store, buy one, upgrade, and then return it |
| 05:22:15 | anseror | Bala: you're just a Zaurus groupie then? |
| 05:22:18 | anseror | :-P |
| 05:22:24 | Bala | uh yeah.. :) |
| 05:22:39 | Bala | its on my christmas wish list :) |
| 05:22:47 | anseror | i wish i could get my ipaq to sync with intellisync |
| 05:22:48 | anseror | ahh |
| 05:23:06 | anseror | there's something wrong with the ipaq and familiar though, the battery thing is just messed up |
| 05:23:11 | Bala | i was going to pick on up this past summer.. but being laid off cancelled that :( |
| 05:23:27 | anseror | ouch |
| 05:23:32 | anseror | where did you work? |
| 05:23:34 | Bala | it happens |
| 05:23:45 | Bala | international road dynamics |
| 05:24:06 | anseror | man, this sucks. i don't want to hear about layoffs ... i need to find a job when i graduate. |
| 05:24:40 | jbardin | have you tried to get it to work in windows? |
| 05:25:13 | jbardin | now this is interesting |
| 05:25:17 | anseror | jbardin: which/what? |
| 05:25:20 | Bala | so i just work on my program and hope it will work on the Z at the end :) |
| 05:25:25 | jbardin | under ifconfig the tx and rx amounts keep rising as ai keep pinging it from my z |
| 05:25:29 | jbardin | but i get no response back |
| 05:25:42 | jbardin | anseror your new z with windows usb netowkring |
| 05:26:02 | anseror | it works now with openzaurus and the latest mcci driver and the latest intellisync |
| 05:32:13 | anseror | Bala: so you're doing qtopia dev with only the qvfb to guide you? |
| 05:32:22 | anseror | what've you written? |
| 05:33:06 | anseror | any idea what kind of finnagling i need to do to get the socket low power CF wireless card to work in OZ? |
| 05:33:34 | anseror | it recognizes it, but i can't get a network connection through it |
| 05:35:21 | kolla | anseror: should be stright forward, I have one and it works just fine |
| 05:35:53 | kolla | oh sorryy.. I do not have that card |
| 05:36:16 | kolla | I almost got it, but ended up with smc ez connect |
| 05:40:46 | anseror | i don't understand how to get it to work. |
| 05:40:51 | anseror | it detects it just fine |
| 05:40:55 | anseror | and i setup the ssid |
| 05:41:04 | anseror | but it doesn't find an ip for some reason |
| 05:43:02 | anseror | g'nite |
| 05:49:21 | wolfspirit | anyone know of a good pdf reader for the zaurus... something besides qpdf.. I'm looking for something that will let you view the pdf in a wide screen view if they got it |
| 05:54:30 | wolfspirit | anyone know of a good pdf reader for the zaurus... something besides qpdf.. I'm looking for something that will let you view the pdf in a wide screen view if they got it |
| 05:57:48 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 05:57:48 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for pdf |
| 05:57:48 | | qpdf 1.50 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=4 |
| 05:57:49 | | txt2pdf_6.0 6.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=218 |
| 05:57:50 | | ZKeys 1.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=161 |
| 05:57:50 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for pdf |
| 06:06:32 | wolfspirit | Onyx4: are those the only ones? qpdf is actually kinf of a let down |
| 06:07:09 | Onyx4 | yeah... well there are some ebook reader that are starting to support landscape mode and such without using the rotation utility in qtopia/opie |
| 06:07:27 | Onyx4 | but I guess they would have to implement the rotation in QPDF itself |
| 06:12:13 | Zxcvb | what screen protectors work well on the SL-5500? |
| 06:13:01 | Onyx4 | the g2 |
| 06:13:09 | | Easy to use, portable and powerful 2D graphics library. URL: http://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/ljubo/g2/g2.shtml |
| 06:13:09 | Onyx4 | ibot: g2 |
| 06:13:20 | | Onyx4: huh? |
| 06:13:20 | Onyx4 | ibot: screen protector |
| 06:13:51 | Zxcvb | Onyx4: a screen protector is a plastic sheet that fits over the screen of a handheld device |
| 06:14:44 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 06:14:44 | Onyx4 | ibot: screen protector is at http://www.PDAScreenprotectors.com for Sharp Zaurus |
| 06:15:06 | Onyx4 | I got the G2 from there... it's quite a PITA to install, but if you can do it nicely then the result is pretty good |
| 06:15:13 | Zxcvb | are there any that work without having to buy them online and wait for shipping? |
| 06:15:23 | Zxcvb | I heard nushield are good, but they are online only |
| 06:15:57 | Onyx4 | you want to avoid anything that's sticky |
| 06:16:12 | Onyx4 | you want something that's like a plastic that you put in between the cover and the pda screen |
| 06:16:12 | Zxcvb | so avoid the writeright ones? |
| 06:16:27 | Onyx4 | without any adhesives |
| 06:17:03 | Zxcvb | heard anything about nushield? |
| 06:18:00 | Onyx4 | no, but I didn't do a whole lot of shopping |
| 06:18:19 | Onyx4 | I just saw the G2 mentionned on a zaurus owner website |
| 06:18:28 | Onyx4 | It was like 15$ for 2 |
| 06:18:37 | Zxcvb | how long did the G2 take to get to you? |
| 06:18:52 | Onyx4 | mmm like a week |
| 06:19:02 | Onyx4 | probably 4 business days or something |
| 06:20:13 | Zxcvb | heard anything about the SL-5600? |
| 06:20:45 | Zxcvb | been looking for a handheld to replace my prism, just wondering if I should wait |
| 06:28:06 | Onyx4 | I think for the price the sharp 5500 is a pretty good deal, even a 5000d with OZ is a good deal since you still get 32mb of ram, and you get an SD card for storage |
| 06:31:23 | Zxcvb | how much is a 128MB SD card? |
| 06:35:52 | Onyx4 | not too expensive, I got a 64mb for like 40$ so maybe 70$ for 128 |
| 06:36:04 | Onyx4 | buy.com has pretty good deals |
| 06:36:36 | Onyx4 | qpe |
| 06:36:40 | Onyx4 | oops |
| 06:38:31 | Zxcvb | Onyx4: someone said the sony clie writerights work |
| 06:40:17 | Onyx4`zzz | Zxcvb: I would not know, might wanna check tommorow when there's more peeps again, night |
| 06:47:17 | asys3 | killefiz ? |
| 06:48:16 | Yoso | that's a question? |
| 06:48:37 | asys3 | ping killefiz... |
| 06:48:58 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 11 hours, 16 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: asys3: a dual celeron 466 or something like that - but it's only a virtual server [Tue Oct 1 20:32:31 2002] |
| 06:48:58 | anseror_sleep | ibot seen killefiz |
| 06:49:02 | anseror_sleep | been quite a while |
| 07:17:42 | anseror_sleep | my calendar and todo list won't start |
| 07:20:11 | anseror_sleep | problem started after i used intellisync |
| 07:46:01 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 07:47:19 | imm | hi |
| 07:47:58 | imm | HAS GOT HIS Z :) *jipppppiiiii* |
| 07:48:05 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 07:48:08 | Dessimat0r | 0wnz, eh? |
| 07:48:15 | imm | shurly shure ! |
| 07:48:37 | Dessimat0r | now you must flash it with openzaurus |
| 07:48:41 | Dessimat0r | the superior rom |
| 07:48:42 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 07:49:03 | imm | will do later |
| 07:49:05 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 07:49:32 | imm | checks cf prices |
| 07:49:45 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 07:49:48 | Dessimat0r | i have a 256mb CF |
| 07:49:51 | Dessimat0r | it fucking 0wnz |
| 07:49:58 | Dessimat0r | i dont know how i did without one |
| 07:53:57 | imm | how can i find out what rom i have ? |
| 07:54:08 | imm | i meant which version |
| 07:56:33 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/fluidity_fileopen.png |
| 07:58:24 | Dessimat0r | oooh! |
| 07:58:26 | Dessimat0r | very nice |
| 07:58:45 | imm | looks nice, except the serife fonts in the table title |
| 07:58:50 | Dessimat0r | the tines new roman needs changing tho |
| 07:58:52 | Dessimat0r | times |
| 07:59:06 | scanline | yeah, I'll get around to writing an antialiased font engine and cleaning those up |
| 08:16:04 | Twiun[Zzzzz] | scanline: which type of font are you using? |
| 08:16:34 | scanline | Twiun: most of that is Helvetica, the title bar is Gelly, the headings are Times (IIRC) |
| 08:16:53 | Twiun | hehe... I meant TTF, Type1, qpf? |
| 08:16:57 | scanline | oh |
| 08:16:57 | scanline | BDF |
| 08:17:19 | Twiun | using your own render? |
| 08:17:22 | Twiun | renderer even |
| 08:17:30 | scanline | it's picogui, it's almost all my code :) |
| 08:17:50 | Twiun | I'm impressed ;-) |
| 08:17:59 | Twiun | are bdf's prerendered? |
| 08:18:08 | scanline | yeah, 1bpp bitmapped fonts, not scalable |
| 08:18:28 | scanline | modularizing the font code more and adding things like prerendered alpha blended fonts, and Freetype support is planned |
| 08:18:57 | Twiun | right... is there somewhere I could find some docs on bdf fonts? |
| 08:19:24 | Twiun | scanline: I'll be needing a font engine soon ;-) |
| 08:19:29 | scanline | I forgot where I got the docs.. the format's not too hard though |
| 08:19:34 | scanline | Twiun: what are you working on? |
| 08:19:53 | Twiun | scanline: a 100% implementation of the java AWT peers ;-) |
| 08:20:01 | scanline | ahh. neat |
| 08:20:13 | scanline | but I'd recommend starting off with FreeType instead of using BDFs |
| 08:20:16 | Twiun | that way I can run evm without having X or Qtopia |
| 08:20:24 | scanline | at least if you're targeting the zaurus |
| 08:20:44 | Twiun | yeah, but there's no FreeType port to java yet... and no good bindings either |
| 08:21:03 | Twiun | I'm also trying to avoid native until I dump the stuff to the framebuffer |
| 08:21:11 | scanline | oh. I was figuring you'd have to have a C backend for rendering anyway |
| 08:21:56 | Twiun | Nope, so far I get 900% fps improvements and comparable pixel throughputs doing my own rendering |
| 08:22:14 | Twiun | all in java, straight to /dev/fb0 |
| 08:22:38 | scanline | ah.... |
| 08:22:40 | scanline | suuuure :) |
| 08:22:58 | scanline | at least do rectangle fills and blits in C or ASM |
| 08:23:53 | Twiun | 1fps to 9fps is 900%, right? |
| 08:24:01 | Twiun | grins |
| 08:24:55 | kolla | damn KDE... |
| 08:24:58 | scanline | eh, I'm spoiled by the way I've done picogui.. fast GUI backend in C, usable from any language |
| 08:25:01 | scanline | :) |
| 08:25:35 | Twiun | yuck! native code! |
| 08:25:58 | kolla | KDE seems to mess up charsets and fontsets |
| 08:26:05 | scanline | makes Twiun use a kernel written in java on a CPU written in java |
| 08:26:17 | kolla | I get 8859-2 chars when I shouldnt |
| 08:27:50 | scanline | Twiun: java has a place, but it's definitely not in graphics rendering |
| 08:28:19 | Twiun | scanline: granted - but I'm angling for the platform independence... |
| 08:28:48 | scanline | Twiun: picogui is native code, and probably runs on more platforms than java :) |
| 08:29:13 | Twiun | scanline: but if it makes you feel any better, the rendering backend has the right architecture to be swapped for anything else |
| 08:29:39 | scanline | eh maybe |
| 08:30:06 | Twiun | hehe |
| 08:30:38 | Twiun | what dependencies does picogui have? |
| 08:30:55 | scanline | I'd think it would be better to use some existing cross-platform rendering kit (there are a few for SDL) to run the AWT on |
| 08:31:26 | scanline | Twiun: not much... you need a C standard library, sockets, and a rectangular screen |
| 08:31:27 | Twiun | urgh... SDL binding for java are still back at SDL1.0 (and incomplete)... |
| 08:32:01 | Twiun | did I say that my C/C++ is also virtually non-existant? writing JNI stufff for me isn't really possible |
| 08:32:05 | scanline | Twiun: didn't Kaffe already write an AWT layer in java that runs on the framebuffer? |
| 08:32:38 | Twiun | Yeah... one problem: it was a commercial part - not Kaffe, Transvirtual went bust and didn't release the stuff |
| 08:32:48 | scanline | ahh |
| 08:32:48 | scanline | that sucks |
| 08:33:27 | scanline | what about swing? if you don't have a low level widget kit to abstract... |
| 08:34:11 | Twiun | can't be used... swing builds on the AWT... so I'd still have to do the same work I'm doing now |
| 08:34:41 | scanline | oh. I thought swing could render to framebuffers for some reason |
| 08:34:53 | Twiun | Hehe, I wish |
| 08:35:05 | Twiun | but even then, swing uses floating point very heavily |
| 08:35:12 | scanline | ah, that's bad |
| 08:35:17 | Twiun | AWT is the way to go until PDA's have HW floats |
| 08:35:28 | scanline | or python :) |
| 08:35:42 | Twiun | and its dependencies ;-) |
| 08:36:06 | Twiun | the Z already has a VM on there! I'd love to be able to make my solution very lightweight ;-) |
| 08:36:36 | scanline | yeah, but the VM isn't free software.. so it'd be good to replace it if possible |
| 08:39:06 | klicker | OpieIRC - libexpat.so.0 missing - any idea where to find? |
| 08:41:07 | tboc | hi |
| 08:59:52 | Dessimat0r | opie REALLY needs a backup app |
| 09:00:26 | Dessimat0r | perhaps one that can make a rom |
| 09:00:32 | Dessimat0r | so you can reflash with all settings |
| 09:01:15 | Twiun | scanline: Exactly... my vote for now goes to Kaffe... |
| 09:01:30 | Twiun | scanline: and Sun is releasing theirs sometime this month too |
| 09:01:41 | Twiun | scanline: Kaffe on OZ would be ideal |
| 09:04:01 | Datake | Dessimat0r: might i remind you that eeprom's can't be flashed unlimited :) |
| 09:04:10 | Datake | they do have a lifetime |
| 09:05:52 | Datake | they kinda start wearing out after 1000 flashes |
| 09:07:16 | Twiun | After that many flashes you'd need a new overcoat^H^H^H^H^H^H pda anyway ;-) |
| 09:09:09 | Dessimat0r | gah |
| 09:09:09 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 09:09:39 | scanline | Twiun: yeah.. OpenZaurus is good :) |
| 09:10:17 | tboc | any progress on a cramfs-version? |
| 09:10:54 | Dessimat0r | cramfs version of openzaurus? |
| 09:10:58 | scanline | tboc: haha.. why? |
| 09:12:37 | tboc | scanline: i just don't want to test if jffs / the internal flash support 10.000/100.000/whatever times flashing |
| 09:13:18 | scanline | tboc: yes flash has a limited number of erase/write cycles.. but you shouldn't be worried about it unless you do something dumb like using flash for swap space |
| 09:13:19 | BZFlag | Datake: 1000 flashes? I don't think so. |
| 09:13:20 | Twiun | scanline: what method were you thinking of using to antialias your bdf renders? supersampling? |
| 09:13:37 | BZFlag | the nor flash in a Z should handle 200,000 flashes at least. |
| 09:13:42 | scanline | tboc: it's usually like 100,000 flashes, and jffs2 has wear leveling |
| 09:13:49 | tboc | BZFlag: 'should' |
| 09:13:56 | scanline | Twiun: the antialiased fonts won't use BDF |
| 09:14:16 | scanline | Twiun: there will be a tool to render TrueType fonts to bitmaps with alpha channels at compile-time |
| 09:14:28 | BZFlag | tboc: put it this way. I have yet to ave a sector go bad on the many systems I do jffs2 performance tests on. |
| 09:14:33 | tboc | scanline, BZFlag: who tells you that sharp hasn't used some cheap flash-rom just because they didn't thought about someone using jffs? |
| 09:14:36 | Twiun | scanline: gotcha |
| 09:14:53 | BZFlag | tboc: uh, I think I would know that. |
| 09:15:08 | scanline | Twiun: there will also be a Freetype renderer. Not sure how well it will perform on the Zaurus, but it's worth a try |
| 09:15:39 | tboc | BZFlag: already disassembled a Z or do you know from specs? |
| 09:15:39 | scanline | tboc: the flash wearing out is definitely not the first thing i'd worry about when installing OZ ;) |
| 09:15:46 | tboc | scanline: ;) |
| 09:15:46 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 09:16:06 | Dessimat0r | if the ROM starts running out... |
| 09:16:08 | Dessimat0r | you take it back to sharp ;) |
| 09:16:12 | scanline | it's pretty failsafe.. backup your data, try OZ.. if you don't like it (impossible ;) you can go back to sharp |
| 09:16:27 | Dessimat0r | and they will replace it |
| 09:16:27 | Datake | OZ doesn't have backup support |
| 09:16:40 | Dessimat0r | if you say that it is going faulty, and it has a zaurus rom on it |
| 09:16:44 | tboc | Dessimat0r: if it's within the 2-years period |
| 09:16:49 | BZFlag | ibot tell tboc about bzflag |
| 09:16:50 | Twiun | scanline: true enough... btw, just found this site, looks likt they're working on creating their own font engine... http://www.fonteditor.org |
| 09:16:51 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 09:17:07 | scanline | Twiun: interesting |
| 09:17:11 | Dessimat0r | if its out of the 2 year period, its time to buy a type type of zaurus anyway ;) |
| 09:17:20 | Dessimat0r | a new type |
| 09:17:34 | Twiun | scanline: it's a shame they have no code floating around for me to try |
| 09:17:40 | scanline | tboc: listen to BZFlag, he knows what he's talking about |
| 09:17:50 | scanline | :) |
| 09:17:52 | tboc | Dessimat0r: hrhr, and who is going to pay for that one? ;) |
| 09:17:56 | BZFlag | grins at scanline |
| 09:18:02 | Datake | does OZ support SD memory? |
| 09:18:09 | tboc | yep |
| 09:18:15 | scanline | Datake: yes, that's in the FAQ |
| 09:18:20 | Datake | using the closed source sharp driver? |
| 09:18:41 | scanline | yes. that's in the FAQ too :P |
| 09:18:41 | BZFlag | Datake: yes. but I'll build new drivers for any new kernels. |
| 09:18:45 | Dessimat0r | can SD be used as normal memory, or does that have a 'damaged' also |
| 09:18:48 | Dessimat0r | damaged rate |
| 09:19:00 | Datake | it wears out too |
| 09:19:04 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 09:19:05 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 09:19:06 | Datake | all solid state memory does |
| 09:19:13 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 09:19:23 | Dessimat0r | do they not make non-solid state SD? |
| 09:19:28 | Dessimat0r | much like RAM? |
| 09:19:29 | scanline | everything except RAM.. and battery-backed-SRAM CF and SD cards aren't common |
| 09:19:35 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 09:19:41 | Datake | no because it's too small to put a battery in |
| 09:19:45 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 09:19:47 | scanline | it's really not something you have to worry about |
| 09:19:59 | Datake | unless you start swapping on it |
| 09:20:00 | scanline | just don't use CF, SD, or the internal flash for temp files or swap space |
| 09:20:05 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 09:20:07 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 09:20:23 | scanline | but anything that requires user intervention to change should be fine |
| 09:20:47 | Datake | someone should hack the RAM in the Z |
| 09:20:53 | Datake | put bigger modules in |
| 09:21:00 | Dessimat0r | i might reflash my zaurus with more memory available to it, with less memory for ram (for installign apps) |
| 09:21:01 | scanline | 64MB is too much already :P |
| 09:21:09 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 09:21:16 | Dessimat0r | i need more memory for divx |
| 09:21:17 | Datake | you only get 28 usable memory |
| 09:21:29 | Datake | 32 storage en 28 memory says mine |
| 09:21:34 | Datake | i wonder where the other 4 went? |
| 09:21:37 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 09:21:38 | Datake | videomemory? :p |
| 09:21:38 | Dessimat0r | to hell |
| 09:22:01 | scanline | Opie/Qtopia uses memory pretty inefficiently |
| 09:22:33 | Datake | maybe we should get a microdrive and swap on that ;) |
| 09:22:46 | scanline | heh, that would kill your battery |
| 09:22:53 | Datake | your Z will probably burst into flames too :p |
| 09:23:07 | Datake | those microdrives get pretty hot |
| 09:23:12 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:23:24 | Datake | or swap on a smb mount :p |
| 09:23:56 | Datake | (just stay close to your access point) :p |
| 09:24:23 | Dessimat0r | does the /tmp/ get stored in normal memory (i.e. non-storage ram)? |
| 09:24:23 | scanline | I've never needed swap on my zaurus |
| 09:24:26 | BZFlag | There are a few shops that do iPAQ ram upgrades. I heard some talking about doing Z memory upgrades. voids your warantee though. |
| 09:24:35 | scanline | and I've used it for compiling, debugging, running X... |
| 09:24:50 | Datake | me either |
| 09:24:57 | Dessimat0r | would /tmp/ still be in ram if i flashed with the base64 install of oz? |
| 09:25:07 | Datake | no idea |
| 09:25:11 | scanline | yes |
| 09:25:15 | scanline | that's tmpfs IIRC |
| 09:25:15 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 09:25:17 | Datake | haven't used OZ yet |
| 09:25:25 | Dessimat0r | but i would need to install all my apps on CF |
| 09:25:30 | Dessimat0r | or in ROM |
| 09:25:32 | scanline | or to flash |
| 09:25:39 | scanline | it isn't ROM... |
| 09:25:47 | Dessimat0r | okay okay ;) |
| 09:26:02 | Datake | it's battery nacked up ram :) |
| 09:26:05 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 09:26:05 | Datake | backed even |
| 09:26:08 | Datake | i wonder |
| 09:26:17 | scanline | heh |
| 09:26:28 | Datake | what if we make a CF card |
| 09:26:32 | Datake | using normal RAM modules |
| 09:26:39 | Datake | and put a small battery in |
| 09:27:02 | Dessimat0r | would i notice a difference with 64mb instead of 32mb? |
| 09:27:03 | Dessimat0r | for RAM on the Z |
| 09:27:32 | Datake | would that make me rich? :) |
| 09:27:46 | Datake | goners |
| 09:27:46 | Datake | *D* |
| 09:27:47 | Datake | bbl |
| 09:27:52 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 09:28:14 | BZFlag | well, ramfs. not tmpfs probably. |
| 09:28:31 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 09:30:04 | Dessimat0r | would READING from a CF a lot, as opposed to writing to it) damage it? |
| 09:30:17 | scanline | no |
| 09:30:42 | scanline | BZFlag: thanks, I forgot which of those OZ currently used |
| 09:32:18 | BZFlag | tmpfs would eat a little more ram, but offer swap support. So folks that have a udrive might want it. |
| 09:32:28 | BZFlag | as most don't ramfs makes more sense. |
| 09:42:16 | scanline | is away: short nap |
| 09:45:15 | BZFlag | hmm. There are a number of vendors that have pcmcia SRAM cards, but I don't see any compactflash form factor cards. interesting. |
| 09:45:39 | BZFlag | must sleep. |
| 10:08:20 | klicker | looking for libexpat.so.0 needed for qtjim |
| 10:10:17 | Dessimat0r | how do you install using ipkg onto flash/ |
| 10:10:30 | Dessimat0r | onto CF |
| 10:10:31 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 10:10:39 | Dessimat0r | in openzaurus |
| 10:12:53 | Ibz | Dessimat0r: i think ipkg has a -d option to specify the destination root |
| 10:17:10 | nadav | yeah, it does |
| 10:17:35 | ljp- | but ipk itself wont create links |
| 10:17:42 | ljp- | err ipkg |
| 10:57:30 | anseror_sleep | good morning all |
| 10:57:51 | imm | anselor: got your Z ? |
| 10:58:05 | anseror | imm: yep. and i hear you got yours. |
| 10:58:28 | anseror | funny. you're in switzerland and it only took 12 hours longer for you to get yours. |
| 10:58:30 | imm | anseror: yep |
| 10:59:33 | ljp- | well, switzerland is small, they found your addresses easier |
| 11:00:12 | anseror | heh |
| 11:00:36 | anseror | i can't get my todo list to run |
| 11:00:38 | anseror | any ideas? |
| 11:01:14 | ljp- | if you installed terminal, try running it from there |
| 11:02:16 | anseror | hmm, ok |
| 11:04:16 | | well, feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ or http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 11:04:16 | Ibz | ibot feed |
| 11:08:13 | imm | anseror: the installed rom seems pretty weird ... |
| 11:08:44 | imm | anseror: is it normal the the applications dont close when i press OK ? |
| 11:09:02 | imm | they seem to stay in the taskbar |
| 11:11:10 | ljp- | ya the installed rom has that buggie |
| 11:11:26 | anseror | imm: i noticed that. |
| 11:11:35 | ljp- | you probably have 1.02 if its a 5000d |
| 11:11:46 | anseror | imm: i tried insalling 1.39 and 1.3a |
| 11:11:50 | anseror | but neither worked |
| 11:12:05 | anseror | it may have just been me |
| 11:12:07 | anseror | i don't know |
| 11:12:15 | anseror | all i know is i tried openzaurus |
| 11:12:20 | anseror | and it ran beautifully |
| 11:12:32 | anseror | ljp-: what's the name of the todolist app? |
| 11:13:01 | ljp- | its /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/todolist |
| 11:13:02 | anseror | nevermind, it's todolist... |
| 11:13:08 | imm | does hancom run on the 5000d ? |
| 11:13:23 | ljp- | yes, you can download a version of it from hancoms site |
| 11:13:31 | imm | and how can i make a pipe in terminal ? |
| 11:14:02 | ljp- | Shift- Space |
| 11:14:12 | anseror | "QDir::readDirEntrties: Cannot read the directory: /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/fontfactories" |
| 11:14:22 | anseror | "ToDoDB::load tagName(): (null)" |
| 11:14:37 | anseror | "ToDoDB::load element tagName(): Task returning" |
| 11:14:39 | anseror | "Bus error" |
| 11:14:42 | anseror | any ideas? |
| 11:15:19 | ljp- | did you sync with any other todolist already? |
| 11:15:41 | anseror | yeah, sync'd with outlook |
| 11:15:49 | anseror | should i have run todolist before syncing? |
| 11:16:12 | ljp- | which version of intelsync? the one on the cd? |
| 11:16:20 | anseror | no, the one from the site |
| 11:16:47 | ljp- | cause they changed the todolist db file from 1.02 |
| 11:17:05 | imm | the theme used by tkc is packet with every app they sell, right ? |
| 11:17:20 | ljp- | yup |
| 11:17:34 | ljp- | err its in the tkc ipkg |
| 11:17:57 | ljp- | there's two ipkg to install |
| 11:18:42 | imm | no divx on 5000d, right ? |
| 11:19:14 | ljp- | no |
| 11:22:19 | anseror | i hate xp |
| 11:22:26 | anseror | i'm the only person, it seems, that has xp blue screen multiple times a day |
| 11:22:45 | anseror | if one of you had an answer to my problem, i missed it. |
| 11:23:03 | tux_mike | flaky hardware |
| 11:23:32 | | cf is used for network-like devices such as wireless or ethernet and can be used with compactflash media cards which are getting cheaper everyday. Excellent for audio/video files. or see http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/default.asp |
| 11:23:32 | imm | ibot cf |
| 11:23:39 | anseror | it happened ifter i installed a legal copy of XP, go fig. |
| 11:24:11 | anseror | i finally get a legal copy, i install it over my bad copy, and boom, blue screens multiple times a day. |
| 11:24:45 | anseror | so, my todolist crashes |
| 11:25:08 | anseror | ljp-: you were asking if i'd sync'd |
| 11:25:09 | imm | whats the best tkc app ? tkcToDo maybe ? |
| 11:25:20 | | benmeyer was last seen on #opie 14 hours, 47 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: bla, either way the icons have been added :-D [Tue Oct 1 21:38:10 2002] |
| 11:25:20 | jbardin | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 11:27:57 | anseror | ToDoDB::load tagName(): (null) |
| 11:28:10 | anseror | ToDoDB::load element tagName() : Task returning |
| 11:28:14 | anseror | Bus error |
| 11:31:32 | anseror | everyone here has questions, no one with answers. |
| 11:31:49 | anseror | no one awake at least. |
| 11:32:30 | imm | whats the meaning of life ? |
| 11:32:56 | | i guess the meaning of life is 42 |
| 11:32:56 | imm | ibot: whats the meaning of life ? |
| 11:33:03 | imm | coooooool ! |
| 11:34:14 | anseror | i can't get my wireless card working either. |
| 11:34:24 | anseror | i don't know what sort of magic needs to be done to do that. |
| 11:34:48 | anseror | apparently "Wireless LAN Setup" isn't it. |
| 11:36:52 | tux_mike | what wireless card? |
| 11:37:27 | anseror | socket low power |
| 11:38:04 | anseror | i'm told i should be able to plug it in and have it work |
| 11:38:09 | anseror | but ... not quite true. |
| 11:38:18 | tux_mike | what rom are you using |
| 11:38:29 | anseror | openzaurus |
| 11:38:43 | anseror | off of sf |
| 11:38:46 | tux_mike | i don't think OZ comes with the driver |
| 11:39:02 | anseror | i thought OZ was the first to have the driver? |
| 11:39:22 | tux_mike | afaik it's a binary driver |
| 11:40:04 | anseror | i plug it in |
| 11:40:07 | anseror | and it detects it |
| 11:40:25 | anseror | and the little wireless applet antenna thing becomes active |
| 11:40:29 | anseror | but i get no ip, nothing. |
| 11:40:51 | tux_mike | did you add a LAN TCP/IP in network settings? |
| 11:41:44 | anseror | ahh... |
| 11:42:38 | anseror | no i hadn't |
| 11:42:40 | anseror | added ... |
| 11:44:16 | anseror | do i need to restart or something? |
| 11:44:42 | tux_mike | it'd be a good idea |
| 11:46:08 | | i think oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 11:46:08 | djk | ibot oz3 feed |
| 11:52:16 | anseror | yay, works. |
| 11:52:25 | anseror | installed new todolist app - that works too. |
| 12:05:58 | | somebody said faq was at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 12:05:58 | ciaolinux | ibot: faq |
| 12:08:42 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 12:08:47 | Sniper | morning |
| 12:10:01 | Zxcvb | what screen protectors, preferably ones that can be bought in stores, work well with the zaurus? |
| 12:10:01 | Zxcvb | morning |
| 12:10:01 | Sniper | there are a lot on eba |
| 12:10:01 | Sniper | ebay |
| 12:10:01 | Zxcvb | do any of the writeright ones work? |
| 12:10:01 | Zxcvb | someone said the clie ones fit perfectly, but which clie? |
| 12:10:23 | | somebody said sdcard was at http://www.sdcard.org/ |
| 12:10:23 | ciaolinux | ibot: sdcard |
| 12:10:33 | | ciaolinux: excuse me? |
| 12:10:33 | ciaolinux | ibot: card |
| 12:15:59 | anseror | opie says "unknown processor type --!" |
| 12:16:02 | anseror | and then segfaults |
| 12:18:02 | kolla | my z is kinda useless these days |
| 12:18:07 | kolla | need to downgrade |
| 12:18:52 | anseror | shouldn't have upgraded... |
| 12:19:28 | kolla | ditto :) |
| 12:19:51 | anseror | well, i have a nice little portable shell right now. :-P |
| 12:20:18 | Zxcvb | anseror: upgrade to what? |
| 12:20:42 | anseror | i tried to use oipkg to upgrade |
| 12:20:44 | klicker | someone using OpieIRC? |
| 12:20:45 | anseror | packages |
| 12:20:57 | anseror | and then it kind of froze |
| 12:22:01 | anseror | ssh'd in and rebooted and now opie won't start. |
| 12:22:25 | kolla | I get "Floating point exception" when trying to launch opie :) |
| 12:23:12 | anseror | my z is frozen... |
| 12:23:26 | Zxcvb | anseror: tried a reflash? |
| 12:23:55 | kolla | "This download is for U.S. Zaurus owners only." |
| 12:23:58 | kolla | why is that?? |
| 12:24:12 | anseror | Zxcvb: might try that later. |
| 12:24:16 | tux_mike | because of internationalization |
| 12:24:29 | kolla | what interntationalisation? |
| 12:25:01 | Zxcvb | is the US zaurus physically different than the UK one? |
| 12:25:08 | Zxcvb | or will you just not get the euro? |
| 12:25:12 | tux_mike | um, german Zs are in german, japanese Zs are in japanese. different keyboard layouts. slightly different hardware |
| 12:25:23 | kolla | tux: different hardware? |
| 12:25:46 | kolla | my Z was bought in London |
| 12:25:50 | tux_mike | not exactly sure if they are an exact match, but they may have tweaks |
| 12:25:52 | anseror | wow. i feel leet. my pda is a console. heheh. |
| 12:26:25 | kolla | anseror: only usable interface for linux anyways, hehe |
| 12:26:33 | Zxcvb | tux_mike: what about the US and UK versions? |
| 12:27:04 | Zxcvb | tux_mike: both use english (with minor differences) |
| 12:27:56 | tux_mike | well, those differences are why you need a different rom |
| 12:27:58 | kolla | like I care squat about english german or japanese... it doesnt spean norwegian anyways :) |
| 12:28:04 | kolla | speak |
| 12:28:08 | tux_mike | talk to someone at sharp for more details. i don't have them |
| 12:28:30 | klicker | aren't there US export restrictions for ssl (opera) |
| 12:28:40 | kolla | but opera is norwegian |
| 12:28:46 | kolla | :) |
| 12:28:53 | kolla | as is QT for that matter |
| 12:28:55 | Zxcvb | tux_mike: what about the hardware? |
| 12:29:12 | tux_mike | i just said i don't have details. talk to sharp. |
| 12:29:17 | klicker | well, once imported/bundled its subject to US legislation |
| 12:29:25 | klicker | or isn't it |
| 12:29:38 | anseror | blah, i can't geti t to work.. |
| 12:30:01 | Zxcvb | tux_mike: the only real differences are in spelling, and a few others (dustbin/trashcan), so the only real change aside from the euro (which the us rom should have) would be any spell checkers |
| 12:30:20 | anseror | apparently some of the postinst scripts didn't run |
| 12:30:26 | anseror | any idea where they are? |
| 12:30:35 | kolla | when you say "euro" what are you referring to.. iso-8859-15 instead of iso-8858-1? |
| 12:31:01 | kolla | I thought qtopia was UTF-8 unicode |
| 12:31:11 | tux_mike | zxcvb: is there a hardware key for the euro? |
| 12:32:06 | kolla | fn-shift-3 gives pound here it seems |
| 12:32:42 | anseror | ok, i guess i'll reflash. |
| 12:32:45 | kolla | and fn-shift-4 gives euro |
| 12:33:00 | kolla | and fn-f gives $ |
| 12:33:25 | kolla | afaik there is no difference between UK and US version |
| 12:33:35 | tux_mike | i don't get a euro |
| 12:33:43 | tux_mike | so there are differences in rom |
| 12:34:15 | anseror | yay, reflashing again. |
| 12:34:36 | kolla | tux_mike: I just looked at the keyboard :) |
| 12:34:43 | kolla | no working qpe running |
| 12:34:50 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 12:36:07 | kolla | tux_mike: should only be a matter of keyboard mapping anyways |
| 12:36:28 | tux_mike | depends on how they map it |
| 12:37:21 | kolla | well, it *should* be a matter of mapping |
| 12:37:39 | kolla | I have cyrilian input as well, and that is just matter of mapping, so... |
| 12:39:10 | anseror | uh oh ... it's doing that blinking led thing again. |
| 12:39:29 | Sniper | anyone from germany here? |
| 12:39:39 | tux_mike | format the cf |
| 12:40:18 | anseror | the cf is unchanged from when i flashed it last night... |
| 12:40:34 | mickeyl | Sniper: yeah, why? |
| 12:42:40 | Sniper | were you part of the Dev Challnege? |
| 12:43:01 | anseror | Sniper: imm got his Z today, he's in switzerland. |
| 12:43:14 | Sniper | well i want to see if the germans paid tax |
| 12:43:42 | anseror | oh, ok. |
| 12:46:20 | imm | Sniper: got it, zhanks ! |
| 12:46:25 | imm | thanks even |
| 12:46:51 | imm | what modules should i load to address my cf on my laptop ? |
| 12:47:11 | anseror | flashing on the Z isn't very friendly to people with big fingers. |
| 12:47:38 | Sniper | imm: cool |
| 12:47:58 | Sniper | flashing is hard.. we need to make that easier |
| 12:48:02 | kolla | flashes to zaurus rom |
| 12:48:06 | kolla | sharp rom |
| 12:48:13 | anseror | Sniper: the c and d keys are just too close together. |
| 12:48:36 | anseror | kolla: i tried that, it wouldn't work for me. |
| 12:49:52 | anseror | crap crap crap |
| 12:49:56 | anseror | now OZ won't flash either |
| 12:49:58 | anseror | what's up with that |
| 12:55:21 | imm | how can i mount my cf card in the pcmcia adapter ? |
| 12:56:10 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ or http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 12:56:10 | Ibz | ibot feed |
| 12:56:45 | smee | imm: it'll be /dev/hdc or something like that |
| 12:56:48 | Xentac | is back (gone 08:36:46) |
| 12:57:05 | imm | smee: fdisk wont find it |
| 12:57:12 | smee | (check var/log/messages when you insert it) |
| 12:57:26 | imm | smee: /proc/devices has two ide devices |
| 12:57:39 | smee | assuming you get 2 high beeps when you insert the card |
| 13:03:10 | anseror | cross fingers everyone, i'm flashing yet another time... |
| 13:03:57 | anseror | dammit, blinknig led's again. |
| 13:04:13 | anseror | it hates me. |
| 13:04:21 | smee | anseror: power is on? ;) |
| 13:04:24 | imm | smee: im building a new kernel, i found it |
| 13:04:39 | smee | imm: no ide-cs? cool |
| 13:04:47 | anseror | smee: yeah |
| 13:04:58 | anseror | i flashed this last night with no problems. |
| 13:06:32 | smee | checked file sized? could try reformatting the card - I've mysteriously had to do that a few times |
| 13:06:37 | smee | s/sized/sizes/ |
| 13:06:39 | anseror | i tried reformatting. |
| 13:06:56 | smee | hink it needs to be fat16 |
| 13:07:09 | anseror | yeah, that's what i did |
| 13:07:32 | anseror | do i need a sacrificial lamb or something? |
| 13:07:54 | smee | 2 |
| 13:08:17 | anseror | i'm using the same cf card i had last night |
| 13:08:32 | anseror | the same initrd and zimage files |
| 13:08:32 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ or http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 13:08:32 | kolla | ibot feed |
| 13:08:58 | smee | anseror: and you have a CF reader and you can mount the card ok in that and view the files etc? |
| 13:09:15 | anseror | yep |
| 13:10:43 | smee | I do mkdosfs on the card iirc...havent had much luck with other ways |
| 13:11:10 | anseror | can't do that - i'm in windows. |
| 13:11:29 | smee | ah - should be fine then I guess...hm |
| 13:12:00 | smee | maybe one of your images is corrupt |
| 13:12:13 | anseror | just downloaded again. |
| 13:16:08 | anseror | *shrug* |
| 13:16:14 | anseror | worked this time |
| 13:16:54 | anseror | booting... |
| 13:19:42 | anseror | the problem with these pda systems. you can't hear the hard drive cranking and stuff, hard to tell if it's frozen or just thinking. |
| 13:21:31 | tboc | anseror: hmm... we need a heartbeat or something :) |
| 13:21:33 | tux_mike | many times in a computer you can't tel if it's frozen or just processing, if you are relying on just ram |
| 13:21:54 | tboc | anseror: you could use the power LED for that i guess |
| 13:22:26 | Xentac | is away: verking |
| 13:22:59 | tboc | btw. i heard that there was a new OZ rom available? |
| 13:26:27 | kolla | frigging crash |
| 13:27:36 | anseror | man, the handwriting thing takes a really long time processing customizations |
| 13:27:45 | djk | anybody know if there is a new version of ssh in the works given the openssl vulneribility? |
| 13:27:59 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:28:02 | anseror | another openssl vulnerability? |
| 13:29:02 | anseror | if i install stuff to a 16 meg sd, and then later i get a bigger one, is there a way to transfer the contents from one to the other? |
| 13:29:28 | djk | anseror: not another but the latest openssh for the Z i can find is back in june |
| 13:29:49 | anseror | djk: ahh |
| 13:30:12 | djk | anseror: tar the old SD install the new and untar the SD to it |
| 13:30:57 | GRiD | hey what do i have to do to get a CF 10 mb network card up and running? |
| 13:31:47 | anseror | GRiD: i suppose it depends on what rom you have installed |
| 13:32:24 | GRiD | i just installed 2.37 |
| 13:32:32 | GRiD | or do you mean which network card? |
| 13:32:53 | chouimat | damn! still have that problem with 1.39 |
| 13:36:42 | anseror | hmm |
| 13:37:25 | chouimat | anselor: ? |
| 13:37:38 | anseror | i followed the samem steps i followed last night to get my network card running .. but it didn't work this time. |
| 13:37:39 | chayim | does anyone know what ipk provides libqpe.so.1 on OZ? |
| 13:37:48 | anseror | i'm not getting an ip.. |
| 13:37:55 | imm | re |
| 13:37:57 | chouimat | imm: hi |
| 13:38:05 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone |
| 13:38:12 | chayim | Cloudchaser : hey. |
| 13:38:14 | smee | chayim: qt-embedded I think |
| 13:38:16 | Twiun | Hiya Cloudchaser |
| 13:38:30 | chayim | smee hm... thanks. |
| 13:38:35 | chouimat | anseror: my z always change my partition type from 83 to 6 for my ext2 formated CF :( |
| 13:38:42 | chayim | off to look into his z's issues with qt-embedded. |
| 13:38:45 | imm | do i lost anything when i update my 5000d to a newer rom (java, opera) ? |
| 13:39:08 | chouimat | imm: if the rom doesn't have them |
| 13:39:46 | chouimat | hi Cloudchaser |
| 13:40:00 | Cloudchaser | :) how's things today? |
| 13:40:23 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: work, work, work and stilll work |
| 13:41:07 | curd | On the 5000D, you can boot to console mode by pressing space when the Z is starting up. Is there a way to do that with a 5500? |
| 13:41:10 | imm | chouimat: i try the 1.3a sharp rom |
| 13:41:48 | Cloudchaser | i don't have much work |
| 13:42:11 | Cloudchaser | figure i stand good chance of being laid off in the next week or so |
| 13:42:19 | Twiun | Yikes |
| 13:42:27 | Twiun | Been looking for something else? |
| 13:42:29 | chouimat | imm: hope that you don't have the following pb. when you format a CF to ext2 (type83) the z change it to 6 (FAT16) so when I want to mount it on my desktop I need do fdisk to change the type back |
| 13:42:50 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/bob.jpg |
| 13:42:52 | Cloudchaser | not yet Twiun: i need to stay til the bitter end |
| 13:43:05 | Cloudchaser | they will have to pay me a bonus if i don't quit |
| 13:43:12 | Twiun | Ahhhh |
| 13:43:33 | Cloudchaser | nice kitty :) |
| 13:43:38 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: I know |
| 13:44:22 | anseror | so i get a signal strength |
| 13:44:26 | anseror | and i see eth0 |
| 13:44:29 | anseror | but there's no ip? |
| 13:45:42 | Cloudchaser | you did set up lan connection? |
| 13:46:01 | anseror | yeah |
| 13:46:26 | anseror | i added 'lan - tcp/ip' |
| 13:46:41 | Cloudchaser | your dhcp server is working fine? |
| 13:47:27 | anseror | pretty sure... |
| 13:47:48 | anseror | come to think of it, the way i got it to work last night, i plugged my cf card into my ipaq, got an ip there, and then plugged it back into my Z... |
| 13:49:04 | Cloudchaser | that sounds a bit odd |
| 13:51:36 | chouimat | imm: got your z? |
| 13:51:42 | Cloudchaser | hiya treke|laptop |
| 13:51:55 | treke|laptop | mornin |
| 13:52:03 | tux_mike | hey treke |
| 13:52:30 | imm | chouimat: yep ! :) |
| 13:52:40 | imm | how i reflash the 5000d ? |
| 13:53:00 | imm | i cant find a full reset button |
| 13:53:07 | chouimat | ok that easy if you don't have big finger |
| 13:53:16 | chouimat | imm: open the battery door |
| 13:53:16 | anseror | imm: it's right under the battery |
| 13:53:18 | Cloudchaser | take off battery cover |
| 13:53:31 | anseror | imm: not under, but below. in a hole. |
| 13:53:46 | anseror | imm: are you trying 1.39? |
| 13:53:59 | chouimat | anseror: I have some problem with it |
| 13:54:00 | imm | anseror: 1.3a yes |
| 13:54:48 | Dessimat0r | lol, i used to never know where the reset thing was |
| 13:54:55 | Dessimat0r | i thought it was the grey thing with the hole |
| 13:55:08 | Dessimat0r | so i stuck my stylus in there |
| 13:55:14 | Dessimat0r | and moved it around |
| 13:55:46 | Dessimat0r | ended up wrecking the hole, not important tho |
| 13:55:47 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 13:55:57 | imm | great googeli moogeli |
| 13:56:07 | chouimat | imm: hehe |
| 13:56:38 | lo_fye | body seen chayim 'round today? |
| 13:59:23 | Cloudchaser | he just left |
| 13:59:29 | chouimat | lo_fye: he left 5 minutes ago |
| 13:59:49 | Cloudchaser | 7 minutes ago |
| 13:59:50 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 14:00:06 | imm | thanks great googeli moogeli ! |
| 14:00:16 | lo_fye | doh |
| 14:00:22 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: ;-P |
| 14:00:32 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 14:00:46 | anseror | i was never able to get 1.39 or 1.3a working. |
| 14:00:57 | chouimat | imm: don't worship the devil when updating your rom :) |
| 14:01:11 | imm | anseror: no godd connection to great googeli moogeli ? |
| 14:01:22 | anseror | heh |
| 14:01:43 | anseror | how does one install pocket word, etc ? |
| 14:02:02 | Cloudchaser | first..you need ipaq or the like |
| 14:02:16 | anseror | or the equivalent for the Z |
| 14:02:45 | Cloudchaser | do you have the ipkg for it? |
| 14:02:54 | Cloudchaser | if not you need to either download it |
| 14:03:02 | Cloudchaser | or rip it from your existing rom |
| 14:03:17 | anseror | where do i download it? |
| 14:03:36 | Cloudchaser | i think from hancom with your z serial number |
| 14:03:41 | Cloudchaser | but not positive.. |
| 14:03:44 | Cloudchaser | never tried |
| 14:03:53 | Cloudchaser | hiya ljp |
| 14:04:03 | ljp_work | hi |
| 14:04:19 | Cloudchaser | how are things with you today? |
| 14:04:27 | ljp_work | okie dokie |
| 14:04:34 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 14:04:53 | chouimat | hi ljp |
| 14:05:30 | ljp_work | hi |
| 14:07:08 | anseror | i should probably wait till i get my sd card before i install the hancom office suite, sbouldn't i? |
| 14:07:28 | Cloudchaser | probly |
| 14:07:37 | Cloudchaser | hello Sniper |
| 14:07:37 | anseror | grr newegg, ship faster. |
| 14:07:52 | Sniper | hi |
| 14:07:59 | chouimat | hi Sniper |
| 14:09:52 | Cloudchaser | hiya chayim wb |
| 14:13:11 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 4 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: heh [Fri Sep 27 15:37:07 2002] |
| 14:13:11 | tux_mike | ibot seen warmi |
| 14:13:46 | anseror | Sniper: i dunno if you have any influence over this, but the stylus for the 5000 is kind of short. |
| 14:14:17 | Cloudchaser | chayim: lo-fye was lookng for you a little bit ago |
| 14:14:33 | chayim | Cloudchaser : thanks I gave him a call earlier today. |
| 14:14:49 | chayim | Cloudchaser : was he looking for me today or yesterday? |
| 14:15:31 | Cloudchaser | 7 minutes after you left today |
| 14:15:35 | Cloudchaser | just a little while ago |
| 14:17:57 | chayim | Cloudchaser : ah hah! well I'm back for a while at any rate. |
| 14:18:12 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 14:19:39 | | benmeyer was last seen on #opie 13 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen bzflag [Wed Oct 2 15:06:24 2002] |
| 14:19:39 | jbardin | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 14:20:13 | Zxcvb | anyone know which sony clie writeright fits the zaurus perfectly? |
| 14:20:19 | jbardin | benmeyer you around? |
| 14:22:39 | benmeyer | hi |
| 14:24:28 | jbardin | yo, you happen to have any idea howto setup usb ehternet with the rom that came on the Z's? |
| 14:24:49 | jbardin | i have had 0 luck |
| 14:24:51 | benmeyer | what version |
| 14:24:54 | benmeyer | with the howtos? |
| 14:24:56 | jbardin | i think its 1.5.0 |
| 14:25:02 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 14:25:08 | jbardin | it is dated oct 2001 |
| 14:25:09 | benmeyer | check again |
| 14:25:16 | benmeyer | I don't think that is a rom version :-D |
| 14:25:24 | benmeyer | maybe 2.39? |
| 14:25:26 | jbardin | well thjen there inst a rom version in sysinfo |
| 14:25:29 | benmeyer | 1.5.0 is qpe |
| 14:25:34 | benmeyer | ist? |
| 14:26:02 | jbardin | theres nothing that says rom versison in my sysinfo window |
| 14:26:12 | benmeyer | ah |
| 14:26:13 | benmeyer | ok |
| 14:26:19 | chouimat | jbardin: 1.39? 1.3a? |
| 14:26:19 | hardwire | they should have called it qpqp |
| 14:26:20 | benmeyer | did you upgrade the rom? |
| 14:26:24 | benmeyer | when did you buy it? |
| 14:26:29 | hardwire | like abba only cooler |
| 14:26:29 | jbardin | no.. anbd i cant till i get a cf card |
| 14:26:38 | jbardin | it was the one you guys sent me ;) |
| 14:27:14 | jbardin | the kernel version says rmk1-np2 .. so that might be 1.2 ? |
| 14:27:46 | Locutus4242 | the 5000D's that just shipped have ROM v1.02 ( the original ) |
| 14:27:47 | benmeyer | 5000 or 5500? |
| 14:28:14 | chouimat | benmeyer: anyway to backup the rom |
| 14:28:20 | benmeyer | Under Linux Kernel you will see a ROM Version: |
| 14:28:28 | Locutus4242 | kinda surprised me to hear that... |
| 14:28:32 | jbardin | its not there |
| 14:28:36 | jbardin | its got an email addy |
| 14:28:38 | benmeyer | as in "" |
| 14:28:40 | Locutus4242 | not on the original |
| 14:28:47 | jbardin | it must be the original then |
| 14:28:53 | benmeyer | ok, then flash it with with a newer version |
| 14:29:01 | jbardin | damn.. i need a cf card to do that right? |
| 14:29:06 | NeoTron | oh no! On of the ppl I contacted about porting is going it himself. Doh. :) |
| 14:29:16 | Twiun | Doh! |
| 14:29:18 | chouimat | NeoTron: :( |
| 14:29:53 | Twiun | Heya BB |
| 14:29:59 | BigBoss | yo Twiun |
| 14:30:17 | chouimat | hi bb |
| 14:30:27 | BigBoss | chouimat: just got the new Peter Gabriel CD in |
| 14:30:34 | Cloudchaser | hiya BigBoss |
| 14:30:34 | benmeyer | jbardin: no you can do it if you have windows over usb |
| 14:30:50 | Cloudchaser | NeoTron: that's a bummer ;( which game? |
| 14:30:51 | jbardin | reaaally... |
| 14:31:01 | jbardin | will this rom verison work under windows |
| 14:31:27 | chouimat | benmeyer: I want this feature for linux |
| 14:31:37 | benmeyer | nope, I don't think any rom has worked under windows... Do you mean something else? |
| 14:31:53 | benmeyer | chouimat: Define "THIS" |
| 14:31:54 | BigBoss | hey Cloudchaser |
| 14:31:58 | NeoTron | http://www.applewoodhouse.com/ |
| 14:32:00 | jbardin | the file transer |
| 14:32:07 | chouimat | benmeyer: flash a new rom without a CF |
| 14:32:12 | jbardin | er.. well can i sync with this verison of the rom under windows |
| 14:32:14 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: how's things today? |
| 14:32:26 | jbardin | and do the flash thiungy with this old skool rom |
| 14:32:30 | benmeyer | jbardin: you should be able to |
| 14:32:31 | jbardin | under windows |
| 14:32:35 | jbardin | very interesting |
| 14:32:53 | jbardin | bbiab |
| 14:32:54 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: got LOTS of packages to mail out today |
| 14:33:02 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 14:33:18 | NeoTron | goes to get ready for work |
| 14:33:22 | Cloudchaser | some happy people about that i'm sure |
| 14:33:29 | Cloudchaser | NeoTron: which game? |
| 14:34:44 | NeoTron | Cloudchaser: no specific one |
| 14:35:02 | Cloudchaser | just all of their games? |
| 14:35:10 | Cloudchaser | that's bad for you ;( |
| 14:38:02 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: the weather here is sick. 10C (50F) monday and 22C today |
| 14:38:18 | Cloudchaser | wow what a jump |
| 14:38:44 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: the normal is 10-12C for october |
| 14:39:53 | BigBoss | it suddenly got cold and rainy here yesterday, today is sunny but even colder |
| 14:40:03 | Cloudchaser | its beautiful here |
| 14:40:26 | Cloudchaser | about 75 degrees and sunny |
| 14:40:30 | Cloudchaser | not a cloud in the sky |
| 14:40:53 | ljp_work | well, what are you chasing then? |
| 14:41:11 | chouimat | ljp_work: cat? dog? etc ... |
| 14:41:29 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 14:42:02 | Cloudchaser | chasing my dreams as usual |
| 14:42:09 | wolfspirit | anyone know of a good pdf reader for the zaurus... something besides qpdf.. I'm looking for something that will let you view the pdf in a wide screen view if they got it |
| 14:44:54 | Cloudchaser | hey..has anyone's screen with light on full seemed dimmer than when you bought it? |
| 14:45:04 | treke|laptop | wolfspirit: qpdf will work in wide screen, you just have to modify the desktop file |
| 14:45:40 | treke|laptop | that said, qpf still has stuff that sucks about it |
| 14:45:47 | Dessimat0r | how long does it take for compact flash to wear out from normal use? |
| 14:45:55 | benmeyer | long time |
| 14:45:56 | Dessimat0r | without putting /swp/ on it |
| 14:45:58 | Dessimat0r | or whatever |
| 14:46:01 | Dessimat0r | excellent |
| 14:46:49 | Dessimat0r | cloudchaser: it takes some time for the screen to warm up ;) |
| 14:47:06 | Dessimat0r | cloudchaser: leave it on for a while, it will light up to original brightness |
| 14:47:53 | Cloudchaser | when i turned it on today it seemed dimmer and had a pink tint to it |
| 14:48:02 | Cloudchaser | now it seems about right though |
| 14:48:19 | sjohnson | Dessimat0r: Minimum life for CF should be 100,000 x cf-size - in data written to the card. |
| 14:48:29 | Cloudchaser | reminds me of what happens with monitors before the completely die |
| 14:48:39 | wolfspirit | treke|laptop: is there anything else out there? and if not.. which file? |
| 14:48:40 | Ibz | Cloudchaser: that's been reported on zaurus general, usually when the Z has been on suspend/off for a while |
| 14:49:14 | Dessimat0r | ah, k |
| 14:49:14 | treke|laptop | wolfspirit: nope. qpdf.desktop its in /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications |
| 14:49:33 | Cloudchaser | Ibz: is that a symptom of something bad to come? |
| 14:49:43 | Cloudchaser | or just normal behavior? |
| 14:49:44 | Dessimat0r | shoudnt all CFs be the same size? |
| 14:49:54 | Dessimat0r | otherwise they wouldnt fit ;) |
| 14:50:23 | Ibz | Cloudchaser: i think the consensus was that it was a normal occurrence, and like Dessimat0r said, just needs time to warm up. |
| 14:50:25 | wolfspirit | treke|laptop: I know I'm going to sound like a zaurus newbie (because I am) but I have a terminal window, and I can't see the actual file names... just the size. It's to long.. do you know how to fix that.. and thanks for the qpdf info |
| 14:50:33 | benmeyer | Why is the Opera Version in the System Version?? |
| 14:50:38 | benmeyer | anyoen else see that as stupid |
| 14:52:09 | NeoTron | Cloudchaser: I don't know. :) |
| 14:52:39 | Dessimat0r | shoudnt all CFs be the same size? |
| 14:53:00 | Dessimat0r | so that they fit into the slots properly? |
| 14:53:11 | Dessimat0r | whats with them being different sizes? |
| 14:53:18 | Dessimat0r | or is that in terms of mb? |
| 14:53:23 | Dessimat0r | and not dimensions? |
| 14:53:44 | chouimat | why my cat alway sleep on my mouse pad? |
| 14:53:51 | Sniper | type i and type ii CF cards |
| 14:54:06 | numatrix | is back (gone 13:44:14) |
| 14:54:25 | Dessimat0r | how are they different sizes? |
| 14:55:01 | Dessimat0r | is CF2 smaller in height? |
| 14:55:19 | Dessimat0r | as in it cannot be easily removed from the Z |
| 14:55:21 | Sniper | hmm thinner |
| 14:55:25 | Sniper | brb |
| 14:55:42 | Dessimat0r | but how does that work? it would rattle about in the Z slot |
| 14:55:54 | Dessimat0r | and you would need to line up pins |
| 14:55:56 | Dessimat0r | etc |
| 14:56:44 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 14:57:19 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: look in the back of the zaurus. See the thin ridge on either side? |
| 14:57:31 | numatrix | it's visible near the top on the side nearest the screen. |
| 14:57:33 | Dessimat0r | ah, yes |
| 14:57:35 | Dessimat0r | i see it |
| 14:57:51 | numatrix | I imagine that a cf1 card goes around it, while cf2 is held by it. |
| 14:57:53 | numatrix | Just a hunch. |
| 14:57:56 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 14:58:05 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 14:58:17 | Dessimat0r | i can see where they might be forced into position |
| 14:58:32 | Dessimat0r | its kind of like rails which guide them into the slot |
| 14:58:39 | Dessimat0r | very clever ;) |
| 14:58:55 | chayim|building | BigBoss /nick chayim|lunch |
| 14:59:55 | BigBoss | huh? |
| 15:00:05 | chayim|lunch | BigBoss : nothing, accidental type ignore it. |
| 15:01:10 | wolfspirit | if I were to put xf86 on my zaaurus....should I be able to run any x app or is it some kind of other implementation of it? |
| 15:01:54 | Dessimat0r | well, not all X apps are compiled for the strongarm |
| 15:02:25 | wolfspirit | ahh |
| 15:02:41 | wolfspirit | there is not many is there... |
| 15:03:18 | Zxcvb | what places sell the SL-5500 nowadays? |
| 15:04:24 | wolfspirit | anywhere |
| 15:04:43 | wolfspirit | Zxcvb: got mine brand new from a reseller off of ebay for 315 |
| 15:05:11 | BigBoss | amazon |
| 15:05:13 | BigBoss | comp usa |
| 15:06:05 | tux_mike | office depot |
| 15:06:15 | Zxcvb | tux_mike: is office depot still $500 |
| 15:06:18 | djk | staples |
| 15:06:24 | BigBoss | i sell them out of the trunk of my car in the back streets of los angeles |
| 15:06:32 | wolfspirit | lol |
| 15:06:34 | tux_mike | not any around here |
| 15:06:40 | djk | how much ;-) |
| 15:06:49 | tux_mike | besides, you were asking what places sold it |
| 15:06:59 | BigBoss | $200 - they fell out of this truck and I just found them :) |
| 15:07:32 | djk | they work still since they fell out the truck |
| 15:09:04 | tux_mike | http://www.engrish.com/instructions/image/ddr-engrishpadnotice.jpg -- from a dance dance revolution type pad. Pave the cushion? |
| 15:09:31 | Zxcvb | tux_mike: how is that different than the powerpad for the original NES |
| 15:10:02 | imm | has crashed his Z for the first time |
| 15:10:26 | imm | what to do if i have a screen saying please wait ... |
| 15:10:48 | wolfspirit | wait |
| 15:10:54 | wolfspirit | <grin> |
| 15:10:59 | imm | wolfspirit: :) |
| 15:11:05 | imm | wolfspirit: and after 3min ? |
| 15:11:07 | wolfspirit | soft reset it |
| 15:11:13 | imm | wolfspirit: how ? |
| 15:11:25 | wolfspirit | just click on the back to replace battery |
| 15:11:35 | wolfspirit | wait a second or so then click back to normal operation |
| 15:11:58 | BigBoss | tux_mike:; that is a very funny one |
| 15:12:13 | wolfspirit | anyone have any experience with open zaurus? |
| 15:12:35 | tux_mike | http://www.engrish.com/instructions/image/enginemissing.jpg -- i'd be filing a police report if i found my engine /missing/ |
| 15:12:37 | Dessimat0r | gah, I'm gonna wipe my Zaurus |
| 15:12:39 | numatrix | wolfspirit: yeah, a few people do; also, check out #openzaurus |
| 15:12:39 | Dessimat0r | *again* |
| 15:12:51 | Dessimat0r | as ipk installation is fuxx0red |
| 15:12:52 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:12:54 | imm | wolfspirit: they are a lot messages of file system corruption |
| 15:13:00 | wolfspirit | numatrrix: have you tried it? |
| 15:13:05 | numatrix | wolfspirit: Yup. |
| 15:13:09 | imm | wolfspirit: and the he goes back to the wait screen ........ |
| 15:13:22 | wolfspirit | numatrrix: is it better than sharps rom? |
| 15:13:26 | numatrix | wolfspirit: I'm compiling it as we speak as a matter of fact. Doh; gotta run, I'll be back after lunch in an hour. |
| 15:13:30 | tux_mike | bigboss: yah, engrish updated their site bigtime :) |
| 15:13:38 | numatrix | wolfspirit: Yup. Mostly different, mainly better, still somewhat buggier. |
| 15:14:16 | Dessimat0r | what are you compiling? |
| 15:14:20 | tux_mike | http://www.engrish.com/instructions/image/gun3.jpg this one is just funny :) |
| 15:14:25 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: openzaurus. :-) |
| 15:14:26 | Dessimat0r | a new version of thr unstable + latest opie + oz? |
| 15:14:29 | Dessimat0r | excellent |
| 15:14:32 | Zxcvb | numatrix: fully compatible with the sharp rom? |
| 15:14:36 | wolfspirit | numatrrix: can you get back sharps rom? |
| 15:14:40 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: yeah. |
| 15:14:45 | numatrix | wolfspirit: Yup, you just flash back to it. |
| 15:14:49 | Dessimat0r | when will it be compiled? |
| 15:14:54 | Dessimat0r | :D |
| 15:14:56 | wolfspirit | numatrrix: you mean a hard reset? |
| 15:14:59 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: erhm; you don't want mine... |
| 15:15:13 | Zxcvb | how many times can the Z be flashed, anyway? |
| 15:15:13 | numatrix | wolfspirit: No, I mean, you have to load the sharp rom onto a compact flash card and follow the flash procedure to put it back on. |
| 15:15:22 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 15:15:26 | numatrix | Zxcvb: as many as you want as far as I know. |
| 15:15:36 | tux_mike | http://www.engrish.com/instructions/image/gun5.jpg so, if it has an X over it it's a bad battie, and if has a check mark, it's quality... but what's a battie? |
| 15:15:40 | numatrix | Zxcvb: Full compatible? Yeah, pretty much; they're definitely binary compatible, though files are sometimes in slightly different locations. |
| 15:15:45 | Zxcvb | numatrix: have they gotten past the 1,000 writes barrier? |
| 15:15:51 | numatrix | Ok, I really gotta run this time... |
| 15:15:57 | wolfspirit | numatrix: I know sharp has the update on myzaurus.com.. is that the full rom? |
| 15:15:58 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 11 hours, 49 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: night all [Wed Oct 2 04:25:59 2002] |
| 15:15:58 | imm | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 15:15:59 | Dessimat0r | numatrix : is it too unstable for use? |
| 15:16:22 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: right now maybe; wait until 3.0 comes out. Things should stabalize by then. |
| 15:16:27 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 15:16:32 | Dessimat0r | numatrix : i have the latest unstable installed anyway ;) |
| 15:16:46 | Dessimat0r | so this might fix some things |
| 15:17:14 | Dessimat0r | will you be uploading it? I'd like to try it out |
| 15:20:29 | nishi | good day folks |
| 15:22:42 | tux_mike | http://www.engrish.com/snacks/image/angelrelief.jpg |
| 15:29:44 | Dessimat0r | if a program is stored in jjfs2, are its configuration files also stored in there? |
| 15:30:58 | benmeyer | Dessimat0r: yes |
| 15:32:05 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 15:33:34 | imm | is the ipkg install of the sharp rom borked ? it bricked my Z ... |
| 15:33:48 | imm | is ipkg on the console better ? |
| 15:37:22 | imm | man, 1.3a is such crap |
| 15:38:05 | jbardin | can you only flash the rom from windows with the sl 5500 ? |
| 15:38:17 | hardwire | ? |
| 15:39:19 | imm | jbardin: you can copy it to a cf |
| 15:40:16 | jbardin | yea.. i have no cf card though |
| 15:40:17 | jbardin | ben was saying it could be done straight from windows |
| 15:40:17 | jbardin | but i am not seeing any software that says it can do that |
| 15:41:00 | chouimat|lunch | imm: hehe |
| 15:41:46 | Harlekin | killefiz: ping |
| 15:41:55 | Harlekin | and hi rest |
| 15:41:55 | Harlekin | -.) |
| 15:42:01 | imm | chouimat|lunch: off to oz ... |
| 15:42:38 | chouimat|lunch | imm: something to visit in your part of switzerland |
| 15:44:24 | imm | has way too big fingers for this flashing game :( |
| 15:45:01 | chouimat|lunch | put the stylus in your mouth and use both hand :) |
| 15:45:01 | imm | chouimat|lunch: hmm, what are you looking for ? |
| 15:45:15 | chouimat|lunch | imm: something to do |
| 15:45:49 | chouimat|lunch | imm: my mother give us a train pass |
| 15:45:53 | Locutus4242 | with big fingers it's easier. |
| 15:46:31 | imm | chouimat|lunch: you could do base jumping in interlaken |
| 15:46:38 | Locutus4242 | use a rocking motion to get from C to D with one finger. |
| 15:46:56 | chouimat|lunch | imm: :) |
| 15:54:04 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ or http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 15:54:04 | imm | ibot feed |
| 15:54:40 | imm | i think i bricked my Z |
| 15:58:18 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:58:26 | Harlekin | ah |
| 15:58:35 | Harlekin | mister build system |
| 15:58:35 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:58:40 | treke|laptop | hey kergoth |
| 15:58:47 | treke|laptop | kergoth: got my keyboard working :) |
| 16:00:20 | imm | can i install ipks which i put on cf to cf ? |
| 16:01:11 | nishi | imm : How so / |
| 16:01:51 | kergoth | Harlekin: hey harlekin :) |
| 16:01:53 | kergoth | man |
| 16:01:55 | kergoth | today sucks too |
| 16:02:16 | Harlekin | what was so bad yesterday |
| 16:02:41 | kergoth | our web site went through a revamp |
| 16:02:43 | imm | nishi: ? |
| 16:02:49 | kergoth | I had to change over 3500 static html files to a new template |
| 16:02:52 | Harlekin | kergoth: url |
| 16:02:53 | kergoth | fun stuff. |
| 16:02:56 | kergoth | digi.com |
| 16:03:12 | kergoth | i'm just in charge of the support.digi.com site, the main shit is under their realm |
| 16:03:22 | kergoth | support's site is such a piece of crap |
| 16:03:27 | kergoth | they need to hire somebody to handle it |
| 16:03:30 | Harlekin | kergoth: and tomorrow it will beautified? |
| 16:03:50 | kergoth | no idea what their plans are, i'm just following orders :) |
| 16:03:50 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:04:27 | imm | Harlekin: im running opie :) |
| 16:04:50 | Harlekin | imm: .-) |
| 16:04:58 | Harlekin | imm: fast, isnt it |
| 16:04:59 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:05:11 | Harlekin | imm: did you get the latest beta oz? |
| 16:05:25 | imm | Harlekin: nope ? |
| 16:05:36 | Harlekin | kergoth: where is the latest? |
| 16:05:44 | Harlekin | imm: or ask onyx later |
| 16:06:15 | nishi | imm : How did you brick ur Z ? |
| 16:06:27 | Onyx4`zzz | wakes up in surprise |
| 16:06:42 | imm | nishi: nevermind, mozilla messed zImage up |
| 16:06:50 | chouimat | imm: usb networking work? |
| 16:07:15 | imm | chouimat: my usb port is filled by my mouse |
| 16:07:29 | chouimat | imm: buy a hub |
| 16:07:35 | imm | ok, have to go .... |
| 16:07:43 | imm | chouimat: will do |
| 16:07:50 | chouimat | imm: bye |
| 16:08:00 | Onyx4 | so who wanted to know about the latest oz feed? |
| 16:08:18 | kergoth | imm did, before he left |
| 16:08:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:08:36 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 16:08:45 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 16:09:02 | Sniper | hello |
| 16:09:06 | Sniper | http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,105575,00.asp |
| 16:09:12 | NetNut404_work | I am having trouble making my zaurus pingable from a machine other than the linuc box it is plugged into |
| 16:09:57 | NetNut404_work | I need to plug into one pc, and be able to sync from another |
| 16:10:11 | Sniper | new PDA to be launched in Japan |
| 16:10:29 | chouimat | Sniper: in north america in 12 months |
| 16:10:37 | treke|laptop | Sniper: damn it. you got my hopes up |
| 16:10:59 | Sniper | ive seen the prototype |
| 16:11:04 | Sniper | its NICE!!! full VGA |
| 16:11:13 | chouimat | Sniper: 1600x1200? |
| 16:11:19 | Sniper | well 640x480 |
| 16:11:33 | treke|laptop | 16mb of flash again? |
| 16:11:49 | Sniper | this is our HIGH end PDA |
| 16:11:58 | chouimat | Sniper: how much ram? |
| 16:12:03 | Sniper | the sucker kicks.... the flash will be moer |
| 16:12:19 | Sniper | i dont know the details... because they are still finalizing it |
| 16:12:47 | uncon | is away, not here (l!on) : os/bx |
| 16:13:15 | Harlekin | Sniper: and sharp deliverd an 2nd and 3rd batterie too? |
| 16:13:17 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:13:31 | Sniper | battery of course will be increased |
| 16:13:44 | Harlekin | Sniper: yeah, but not enough for display and ram |
| 16:13:58 | Sniper | well you'll be surprised.. |
| 16:14:14 | Sniper | i cant say much anymore - but we are addressing the battery issues of our current model |
| 16:14:15 | treke|laptop | that can be a good thing or a bad thing :) |
| 16:14:18 | Harlekin | you know hoe much that much ram sucks? |
| 16:14:53 | wolfspirit | anyone know what I should edit the qpdf.desktop to so I can view pdfs in wide screen mode? |
| 16:16:38 | Sniper | nope |
| 16:19:42 | chouimat | Sniper: a 4 weeks battery for the Z? where? |
| 16:19:47 | chouimat | :) |
| 16:20:18 | levi | Sniper: Is the form factor for this new PDA more like the Sony Picturebook or the HP Jornada? |
| 16:32:34 | Coup | evenin :) |
| 16:34:11 | wolfspirit | has anyone used the rotation feature of qtopia? |
| 16:34:39 | Locutus4242 | Sounds like Sniper isn't going to say much more but this does sound |
| 16:35:09 | Locutus4242 | intersted. 640x480 would mean a pretty large screen and probably not a pocketable size. |
| 16:35:34 | levi | Well, the article says it's supposed to fold open like a notebook computer. |
| 16:36:13 | Locutus4242 | yup and it could take a stab at that WinCE tablet thing Bill G invented. ;/ |
| 16:36:13 | tux_mike | chouimat: your z can run for 4 weeks on the standard battery, just don't turn it on :) |
| 16:36:29 | Coup | article? :) |
| 16:36:49 | Locutus4242 | Coup: look further up the thread |
| 16:37:07 | chouimat | tux_mike: :) and I do 4 months with my palm that way |
| 16:37:12 | Coup | cant, didn't log on till where i said evening, go no URLs :( |
| 16:37:28 | NetAmp | Hi y'all, how's life? |
| 16:37:28 | tux_mike | chouimat: lol :) |
| 16:37:30 | Locutus4242 | article- http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,105575,00.asp |
| 16:37:37 | NetAmp | btw how's the A300 thingy doing? |
| 16:38:07 | Coup | Locutus4242: ta :) |
| 16:38:17 | Locutus4242 | I was told pda's are not very big in Japan. so the a3000 shouldn't be judged on that yet. |
| 16:38:47 | NetAmp | true |
| 16:38:47 | chouimat | Locutus4242: they prefer DDR |
| 16:38:53 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 16:39:11 | Locutus4242 | chouimat: DDR? |
| 16:39:20 | Coup | So, sounds like we're looking at something similar to the psion netBook then, but running a ARM and Linux |
| 16:39:20 | NetAmp | DDR memory? ;-) |
| 16:39:22 | chouimat | Dance Dance Revolution |
| 16:39:30 | NetAmp | haha |
| 16:39:44 | NetAmp | well I still love my 5500 so it doesn't really matter :P |
| 16:39:59 | chouimat | NetAmp: I still love my 5000D and my m125 |
| 16:40:17 | NetAmp | :D |
| 16:40:29 | NetAmp | do they also like each other? ;) |
| 16:40:31 | Locutus4242 | chouimat: ever thought up making the m125 rechargable? |
| 16:40:42 | chouimat | Locutus4242: how? |
| 16:42:01 | NetAmp | I'm off |
| 16:42:06 | NetAmp | have a nice day folks |
| 16:42:14 | NetAmp | busy busy |
| 16:43:13 | benmeyer | What is the funky bool statment such as foo = (a ? b) : bar1, bar2; |
| 16:43:16 | benmeyer | or something liek that |
| 16:43:57 | Coup | what you want it to do benmeyer? |
| 16:44:09 | benmeyer | sit in my file :-D |
| 16:44:12 | benmeyer | Just trying to remember |
| 16:44:24 | Coup | i meant what's the outcome sposed to be? |
| 16:44:26 | benmeyer | it was a if else statement in 1 line |
| 16:44:32 | rjoseph | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:44:33 | Coup | ahh right :) |
| 16:44:35 | Coup | basic C :P |
| 16:44:44 | benmeyer | yah, use it so little though... |
| 16:44:52 | Coup | yup, i agree |
| 16:45:00 | Coup | would rather somethign were readable than small personally |
| 16:45:18 | benmeyer | goes finds C bool |
| 16:45:18 | Coup | though have used it at times when it would have been overly complicated, or required more vars to use |
| 16:45:20 | benmeyer | book |
| 16:45:24 | Coup | hehe |
| 16:45:39 | Diclophis | benemeyer i got it working in windows |
| 16:45:39 | benmeyer | You know I am a real geek for I got the author to sign my C book |
| 16:45:44 | Diclophis | but i cant ftp to it |
| 16:45:51 | Diclophis | keeps saying root cannot login |
| 16:45:53 | Coup | (expression to evaluate) ? <true result> : <False result> |
| 16:46:03 | benmeyer | yup |
| 16:46:20 | Coup | think that's what you're after ben |
| 16:46:23 | benmeyer | foo = (true) ? "yah" : "boo"; |
| 16:46:33 | Coup | yuppersa |
| 16:46:40 | kergoth | i lost my copy of k&r |
| 16:46:42 | kergoth | sniffle |
| 16:46:46 | kergoth | i should buy that again |
| 16:46:49 | Coup | aye |
| 16:47:07 | Coup | amazon.co.uk have a nice 1/2 price IT book thing going on at the moment |
| 16:47:10 | kergoth | i think somebody swiped it. fuckers. |
| 16:47:17 | Coup | i just ordered a ton of data patterns books, etc |
| 16:47:22 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 16:47:52 | Coup | aye, and, bets bit managed to get the company to pay for them :) |
| 16:48:08 | benmeyer | Coup: what is that called? |
| 16:48:32 | benmeyer | conditional? |
| 16:49:16 | kergoth | shit, i hate it when i'm doing a make -j4 and it fails, then i have no idea why cause of the interspersed messages |
| 16:49:48 | Coup | gah! dodgy ISP |
| 16:49:55 | Diclophis | what does -j4 do? |
| 16:50:17 | kergoth | Diclophis: runs 4 makes in a parallel build |
| 16:50:24 | kergoth | Diclophis: makes better use of the resources on an SMP box |
| 16:50:39 | Diclophis | nice |
| 16:51:02 | chouimat | kergoth: I still have the problem with the CF card formatted as ext2 |
| 16:51:42 | Cloudchaser | Sniper: will that new pda that's being released in japan be available in the us also? |
| 16:52:03 | treke | we dont get any cool stuff in the us |
| 16:52:15 | Cloudchaser | i was wondering why that was |
| 16:52:19 | tux_mike | sure don't |
| 16:52:20 | benmeyer | Cloudchaser: no |
| 16:52:21 | Diclophis | us this archaic rom is pissing me off |
| 16:52:30 | kergoth | Diclophis: ? |
| 16:52:34 | Diclophis | if the ftp server is running and i get a username pass prompt |
| 16:52:40 | Diclophis | but i still cant get what can be causing that |
| 16:52:48 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer: why is that, can you say? |
| 16:52:55 | Diclophis | the z i got has like the original rom on it or something |
| 16:52:55 | tux_mike | ben: are the japanese linux zauruses compatable with OZ? |
| 16:52:56 | benmeyer | because they are seperate devisions |
| 16:53:03 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: because people in US only buy thing for their cars |
| 16:53:08 | benmeyer | the A300 is part of the Sharp Japan retail devision |
| 16:53:15 | Cloudchaser | can your division make one for US? |
| 16:53:32 | Cloudchaser | i like the clamshell type design |
| 16:53:37 | benmeyer | Although I am with Sharp Japan I am part of the Developer Support for the US market |
| 16:53:44 | benmeyer | i.e. zaurus with keyboards |
| 16:54:07 | Cloudchaser | sounds like alot of neat stuff for japan |
| 16:54:17 | benmeyer | eh is slower |
| 16:54:24 | tux_mike | cloud: if you /really/ want one, talk to www.dynamism.com |
| 16:54:25 | benmeyer | didn't optimize the a300 |
| 16:54:30 | benmeyer | or ebay |
| 16:54:31 | Cloudchaser | not so much the a300 |
| 16:54:36 | Cloudchaser | the one in that link |
| 16:54:41 | Cloudchaser | i like the keyboard :) |
| 16:54:47 | Cloudchaser | the new one thats not out yet |
| 16:56:04 | chouimat | anyone know if sharp canada will sell the zaurus here |
| 16:56:04 | Cloudchaser | i'd like a few of the features of the a300 on the 5500, but that's not going to happen, if i understand correctly |
| 16:56:15 | Cloudchaser | so i was looking at that link sniper posted above |
| 16:56:21 | Cloudchaser | and that sound pretty nice also |
| 16:57:02 | tux_mike | cloud: what link, it's lost in the noise |
| 16:57:09 | chayim|building | back in a jif |
| 16:57:15 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: depends on how much money you have |
| 16:57:22 | chayim | told ya so |
| 16:57:22 | Cloudchaser | http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0%2caid%2c105575%2c00.asp |
| 16:57:52 | Cloudchaser | well, if its japanese only, i couldn't use it even if i could get one |
| 16:58:06 | Cloudchaser | and if i have to pay more than 1000.00 i'll get a sony |
| 16:58:14 | Cloudchaser | or a fujitsu |
| 16:58:33 | anseror_out | hi ben |
| 16:58:42 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: then you should get a laptop |
| 16:58:43 | Harlekin | -) |
| 16:58:51 | Cloudchaser | exactly, thats what i was referring to |
| 16:58:56 | Cloudchaser | one of those sony picture books |
| 16:58:56 | anseror_out | i think the Z i got is defective. |
| 16:59:02 | tux_mike | i just want my libretto :) |
| 16:59:03 | Cloudchaser | or one of their new little pc's |
| 16:59:09 | Cloudchaser | librettos are nice |
| 16:59:20 | Cloudchaser | i always wanted one of those too :) |
| 16:59:33 | chouimat | anseror: why? |
| 16:59:49 | anseror | 1st - i tried the 1.3a and 1.39 sharp roms |
| 16:59:58 | anseror | neither of them will load properly |
| 17:00:07 | anseror | i tried openzaurus, and it loaded alright. |
| 17:00:16 | anseror | but then just a few minutes ago |
| 17:00:28 | anseror | opie randomly crashed and i was dropped to a shell |
| 17:00:48 | anseror | i rebooted |
| 17:01:02 | anseror | and i got many screens of segfaults |
| 17:01:44 | anseror | i don't think it's supposed to do that. |
| 17:01:56 | levi | that sounds bad |
| 17:02:19 | anseror | so the question is, who do i talk to about it? |
| 17:02:38 | chouimat | anseror: try sniper |
| 17:04:16 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 47 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: nope [Wed Oct 2 17:16:38 2002] |
| 17:04:16 | anseror | ibot seen sniper |
| 17:04:19 | Sniper | im here |
| 17:04:36 | anseror | Sniper: what do you think? |
| 17:05:08 | Sniper | about OZ? |
| 17:05:26 | anseror | about the condition of my Zaurus |
| 17:05:52 | Sniper | whats wroung with it? |
| 17:06:11 | anseror | if you go up like 7 or 8 lines you'll see my description. |
| 17:06:21 | scanline | is back (gone 07:24:05) |
| 17:06:46 | killefiz | Harlekin: pong |
| 17:06:55 | Sniper | cant load Sharp ROM? |
| 17:07:00 | anseror | nope |
| 17:07:13 | Sniper | cant find ur question |
| 17:07:14 | Harlekin | killefiz: to late .-) |
| 17:07:19 | kergoth | anseror: what happens when you try to load the sharp rom? |
| 17:07:19 | anseror | after about 2minutes 50 seconds the orange and green led's start blinking. |
| 17:07:25 | kergoth | anseror: OZ issues you have, /j #openzaurus |
| 17:07:30 | kergoth | anseror: they blink, that means the image was corrupt |
| 17:07:36 | kergoth | anseror: or too large |
| 17:07:43 | anseror | i got them from the site. |
| 17:07:47 | kergoth | anseror: the filename is 'romimage' exactly, right? |
| 17:07:52 | anseror | yes |
| 17:07:55 | kergoth | 'i got them from the site' doesnt mean they're in tact. |
| 17:09:08 | benmeyer | raise your hand if it pisses you off that there is no QInputDialog nor no QProgressDialog |
| 17:09:16 | kergoth | raises his hand |
| 17:13:06 | Harlekin | benmeyer: whats wrong with the normal qprogressbar |
| 17:13:32 | anseror | Harlekin: i think he wants a dialog windown that pops up with a progress bar. |
| 17:13:43 | benmeyer | windown? |
| 17:13:46 | prpplague | kergoth: btw, the BB cvs is on the fritz |
| 17:13:53 | anseror | i can't type |
| 17:13:56 | anseror | window |
| 17:14:02 | benmeyer | window :-D |
| 17:14:04 | kergoth | prpplague: fritz? i mean, i know its broken.. |
| 17:14:07 | benmeyer | yes a seperate dialog |
| 17:14:10 | kergoth | prpplague: the ver in cvs i mean, not cvs itself |
| 17:14:19 | kergoth | prpplague: or do you mean cvs itself is flaky? |
| 17:14:32 | Harlekin | anseror: so 3 lines so make such a thing ,-) |
| 17:14:48 | Harlekin | benmeyer: make oprogressdialog |
| 17:14:52 | Harlekin | benmeyer: and get 3 apps that use it |
| 17:14:56 | Harlekin | -> libopie |
| 17:15:15 | prpplague | kergoth: cvs itself, several ppl have reported cvs updates on bb have failed at util-linux/umount.c |
| 17:15:25 | kergoth | prpplague: ah yes, i heard that.. fun |
| 17:15:42 | prpplague | kergoth: and the best thing is andersee is out of town |
| 17:16:27 | benmeyer | Harlekin: how about simply enabling it in qt? |
| 17:17:00 | Harlekin | dangerous |
| 17:17:08 | Harlekin | if you still want to run zaurus apps |
| 17:17:32 | kergoth | prpplague: greattt |
| 17:17:44 | Harlekin | benmeyer: and maybe theres a better progress dialog |
| 17:17:59 | Harlekin | benmeyer: something that "fits" into the design |
| 17:18:05 | Harlekin | maybe a progressbar in taskbar |
| 17:18:11 | chouimat | benmeyer: do you have a usb CF reader near? |
| 17:18:18 | Harlekin | that overwrites the apps icons when needed |
| 17:18:28 | benmeyer | chouimat: nope |
| 17:18:33 | benmeyer | just the z |
| 17:18:48 | benmeyer | Harlekin :( |
| 17:18:48 | chouimat | benmeyer: I have a little bug here. |
| 17:19:26 | benmeyer | stand in line: D |
| 17:19:27 | benmeyer | what is it |
| 17:20:28 | chouimat | benmeyer: when a format my CF as ext2 (with partition type 83). the zaurus change the partition type to 6 so I need to change the partition type before mounting it on my desktop |
| 17:20:28 | Harlekin | benmeyer: ? |
| 17:20:49 | Harlekin | benmeyer: floating dialogs are depreciated in qpe |
| 17:21:20 | kergoth | Harlekin: speaking of floating dialogs, my last opie build a couple days ago had a not maximized opie-confedit. you hear of that/ |
| 17:21:45 | benmeyer | chouimat: I don't belive the zuaurs can change the partition type |
| 17:21:57 | kergoth | benmeyer: fdisk can. |
| 17:22:05 | kergoth | but the z shouldnt all by itself |
| 17:22:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:22:09 | benmeyer | yes, but fdisk != qpe |
| 17:22:11 | kergoth | yeh |
| 17:22:46 | Harlekin | kergoth: what is confedit? |
| 17:22:55 | kergoth | Harlekin: the opie configuration file editor |
| 17:22:59 | Harlekin | oh |
| 17:23:01 | kergoth | Harlekin: tille's, iirc |
| 17:23:03 | Harlekin | never looked at it |
| 17:23:15 | kergoth | k |
| 17:25:34 | chouimat | benmeyer: it does |
| 17:26:28 | benmeyer | hmmm, ok well 6 is fat correc?T |
| 17:26:35 | benmeyer | so I would look in fstab |
| 17:26:40 | benmeyer | see if it is set to that |
| 17:27:16 | chouimat | benmeyer: auto |
| 17:27:26 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 17:27:31 | benmeyer | sorry no clue |
| 17:27:47 | chouimat | benmeyer: me too, not a big deal but annoying |
| 17:29:24 | chouimat | need a beer |
| 17:29:53 | benmeyer | yup |
| 17:29:59 | chouimat | benmeyer: love working at home |
| 17:29:59 | Diclophis | finnaly got some sort of connectivity |
| 17:30:05 | kergoth | chouimat: lucky bastard ;) |
| 17:30:14 | Diclophis | ben is the rom update from windows only for the sl 5500 ? |
| 17:30:32 | benmeyer | not sure |
| 17:30:36 | benmeyer | there should be two differnt ones |
| 17:30:38 | chouimat | kergoth: drink beer and watching tv while working ;-P |
| 17:32:02 | Diclophis | all the docs i have read regarding the sl5000d require a cf card... |
| 17:32:05 | wolfspirit | is there an alt. desktop for zaurus? one that has minimize buttons |
| 17:33:54 | kergoth | Diclophis: yes. 5000d upgrade requires cf |
| 17:34:31 | Ibz | what are the configuration differences between 2.37 and 2.38 roms? |
| 17:35:02 | Diclophis | damn... |
| 17:35:17 | kergoth | Ibz: supposedly fixes, and 2.38 no longer supports syncing over wireless |
| 17:35:29 | Ibz | i "upgraded" to 2.38, and i can ping out to my box, but can't ping to the Z. |
| 17:35:33 | scanline | hmm.. OZ tech support day in here |
| 17:35:52 | inomine_ | always is :) |
| 17:35:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:35:59 | scanline | some days more than others :) |
| 17:36:06 | kergoth | man, i'm busy as hell today |
| 17:36:12 | kergoth | our support site as alllll fucked |
| 17:36:19 | kergoth | writing perl script after perl script to fix shit |
| 17:36:28 | inomine_ | company site? |
| 17:36:32 | chouimat | kergoth: benmeyer: found the cause of my problem |
| 17:37:06 | kergoth | chouimat: what was it? |
| 17:37:08 | kergoth | inomine_: yeah |
| 17:37:15 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, i'm siting here slowly destroying a xem card with a pair of wire cutters, man this is very satisfing |
| 17:37:15 | kergoth | inomine_: somehow i got tagged with its maintainance |
| 17:37:17 | chouimat | kergoth: code 18 :) |
| 17:37:20 | kergoth | inomine_: though i'm a fuckign tech support person |
| 17:37:21 | kergoth | chouimat: haha |
| 17:37:26 | kergoth | prpplague: haha |
| 17:37:27 | inomine_ | lol |
| 17:37:29 | kergoth | prpplague: thats sweet |
| 17:37:44 | chouimat | feels bad |
| 17:37:52 | Ibz | kergoth: 'require ruby' or 'import python' |
| 17:37:56 | Ibz | dcuks |
| 17:38:07 | scanline | prpplague: it's really fun to cut through the VLSI chips on cards you hate, using a dremel or power drill |
| 17:38:13 | Ibz | ducks rather |
| 17:38:16 | kergoth | Ibz: hey, perl's working fine ;l) |
| 17:38:24 | prpplague | scanline: ohhhhh man i didn't think of that |
| 17:38:28 | scanline | I did that to some old Linksys LNE100TX cards that gave me nothing but trouble |
| 17:38:28 | treke|laptop | kergoth: I think you've been tagged as "guy who hasnt quit/been fired yet" |
| 17:38:31 | prpplague | unpacks the dremel |
| 17:38:47 | scanline | prpplague: you can cut all the way down to the die, and it's pretty shiny :) |
| 17:38:50 | kergoth | treke|laptop: that too |
| 17:39:13 | treke|laptop | "he hasnt quit, he must need us too much to complain" |
| 17:39:15 | Ibz | kergoth: <ruby> def initialize; fun; end </ruby> |
| 17:39:29 | kergoth | i should learn ruby and python one of these days |
| 17:39:40 | kergoth | i use php and perl constantly |
| 17:40:32 | Ibz | kergoth: i heard someone say ruby is what perl should have been...or was it python...i forget. |
| 17:41:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:41:17 | kergoth | i lose track |
| 17:41:28 | kergoth | too many scripting languages, too little time |
| 17:41:29 | kergoth | or something |
| 17:41:47 | inomine_ | atm there are more mangling langages than applications |
| 17:42:10 | kergoth | indeed |
| 17:42:16 | kergoth | php is great for web stuff, its got a niche |
| 17:42:22 | kergoth | and perl and ruby and python seem to fill the same void |
| 17:43:03 | inomine_ | well php cant mangle standard txt files :) so i recon php and perl are enough |
| 17:43:08 | scanline | python's better for real applications than perl |
| 17:43:18 | Ibz | i'd say python was a little more far-reaching, think jython, and c/c++ extensions/embedding... |
| 17:43:32 | Ibz | and the talk of .net-ython... |
| 17:43:46 | inomine_ | senses a language war |
| 17:43:54 | Ibz | bring it on.... |
| 17:44:35 | scanline | 6502 assembly r0cks, everything else sux!!!!!! |
| 17:44:46 | chouimat | scanline: no 6809 |
| 17:44:51 | inomine_ | ok heres the biggie.... c++ rocks while plain c sucks ... *waits for the flames |
| 17:45:09 | treke|laptop | listens to the crickets |
| 17:45:21 | scanline | inomine_: DIE!!!! |
| 17:45:26 | scanline | :) |
| 17:45:30 | inomine_ | :) |
| 17:45:47 | Harlekin | inomine_: grow up |
| 17:45:49 | inomine_ | well some of have to put up with pascal in computer science :( |
| 17:45:55 | Neo|Work | and Pike is better than all the other languages, of course |
| 17:45:55 | Harlekin | *g* |
| 17:46:08 | scanline | Modula-3 kicks Pascal's ass! |
| 17:46:10 | Neo|Work | and Pascal can be considered a decent learning language |
| 17:46:34 | Ibz | lisp... |
| 17:46:37 | chouimat | ADA rocks |
| 17:46:44 | Ibz | silence fell upon us |
| 17:46:50 | levi | lisp rocks |
| 17:47:30 | scanline | writes an SQL server in bash! |
| 17:47:40 | levi | but prolog rules |
| 17:47:49 | chouimat | is rewritting the zaurus rom in Ada |
| 17:47:56 | kergoth | scanline: ew |
| 17:48:02 | scanline | hehe |
| 17:48:06 | chayim | is writting the zaurus using a magnet |
| 17:48:10 | Ibz | is writing a compiler in bash ;) |
| 17:48:14 | Ibz | not |
| 17:48:23 | scanline | Oh poppycock, compilers aren't hard to write |
| 17:48:24 | inomine| | lol |
| 17:48:27 | chouimat | changes his mind and uses Forth instead |
| 17:49:19 | Ibz | lets face it, parrot is gonna take over the world! |
| 17:49:27 | inomine| | you know that the language of any graphic calc ownz you |
| 17:50:04 | Neo|Away | hah lol the new Sony Palm devices will run on 200 MHz xscale processors! |
| 17:50:06 | Neo|Away | like the A300 |
| 17:50:25 | inomine| | a300? |
| 17:52:48 | fatz | woot to the sloot |
| 17:54:11 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 12:47:19) |
| 17:58:32 | scanline | hmm. This new Yopy YP3500 looks neat |
| 17:59:03 | W|GGL|T | wonder how it compares |
| 17:59:11 | scanline | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6829787504.html |
| 18:00:12 | W|GGL|T | http://www.yopy.at/ |
| 18:00:17 | W|GGL|T | although i can't read that site |
| 18:02:02 | Neo|Work | I want one for porting (to an even smaller market, hehe) but I can't buy one (price etc) |
| 18:02:34 | scanline | would like one for porting too |
| 18:02:41 | AlexPGP | 'lo, all. |
| 18:03:09 | W|GGL|T | RAM memory from 64MB to 128MB |
| 18:03:14 | W|GGL|T | dayam |
| 18:03:37 | AlexPGP | Has anyone else experienced the phenomenon where SD cards, when left in a unit that is powered down and repowered, come back up as read-only? |
| 18:03:47 | Neo|Work | the yopy hardware design isn't really good from a gaming point of view I think |
| 18:03:56 | W|GGL|T | the yopy linux distro name sucks....Linupy |
| 18:03:58 | W|GGL|T | wtf |
| 18:04:15 | W|GGL|T | well, most people won't spend that much money just to play games on it |
| 18:04:15 | prpplague | W|GGL|T: its korean , what do you expect |
| 18:04:24 | scanline | Heh.. now everyone here is going to complain about the yopy because it doesn't run Qt... |
| 18:04:31 | prpplague | W|GGL|T: i've had enough bad dealing with korean companies to last me a life time |
| 18:04:37 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 18:05:04 | Neo|Work | W|GGL|T: I never talked about "just' playing games. I mean that in general the design _might_ not be suitable for games |
| 18:05:29 | W|GGL|T | web-based pim syncing |
| 18:05:46 | prpplague | i bought the yopy-ydk the day it was available, and let me tellya, linux/open source community can do without companies like gmate |
| 18:05:46 | scanline | kergoth: so when will we have OZ for Yopy and Palm? :) |
| 18:05:56 | benmeyer | november |
| 18:06:12 | benmeyer | scratch that |
| 18:06:22 | scanline | prpplague: what were they doing? |
| 18:06:35 | W|GGL|T | Neo|Work: even 'just' playing games...that's the last thing i want to do with my zaurus, and im betting regular end-users won't care for it either, but that's just my opinion |
| 18:06:36 | kergoth | scanline: I looked into making it work on the new palms |
| 18:06:42 | kergoth | scanline: havent looked into yopy |
| 18:06:45 | kergoth | scanline: got a url? |
| 18:06:54 | Harlekin | kergoth: just put more flash in teh new palms |
| 18:06:55 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:07:08 | scanline | kergoth: no real information.. but there's a linuxdevices story: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6829787504.html |
| 18:07:25 | scanline | Harlekin: how much flash do they have? |
| 18:07:34 | Neo|Work | W|GGL|T: "normal" end users love to play games. Zaurus end users are at this point not "typical' |
| 18:07:42 | Harlekin | scanline: 8 |
| 18:07:43 | W|GGL|T | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5725922098.html |
| 18:07:47 | scanline | Harlekin: cool |
| 18:07:53 | Harlekin | or 4? |
| 18:07:58 | Neo|Work | the yopy should be able to run Qtopia w/o a problem at leasy |
| 18:08:04 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: it does |
| 18:08:08 | prpplague | scanline: the hold back on code, slow to respond to emails, have binaries version that don't match source (binary version 5.1 vs. source is 4.2) |
| 18:08:14 | Neo|Work | just have to support the touchscreen really, which I think I saw in there already |
| 18:08:15 | scanline | Harlekin: if it's more than the 2MB my current palm has, that's fine :) |
| 18:08:32 | Harlekin | still no fun |
| 18:08:39 | scanline | prpplague: sounds familiar... |
| 18:08:40 | prpplague | scanline: its like that want to use the "linux inside" slogan but don't want to abide by the rules |
| 18:08:49 | scanline | Harlekin: it will run PicoGUI just great =) |
| 18:09:08 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 18:09:09 | Harlekin | and doom |
| 18:09:15 | Harlekin | and a big mediaplayer |
| 18:09:17 | W|GGL|T | oops..that's for the older model |
| 18:09:20 | chouimat | scanline: m105? |
| 18:09:27 | Harlekin | scanline: if you just want pim, get palm OS |
| 18:09:42 | scanline | I hate PalmOS |
| 18:09:43 | Harlekin | scanline: or if youre unbalanced |
| 18:09:46 | scanline | it's not at all scalable |
| 18:09:46 | Harlekin | put linux on |
| 18:09:50 | Neo|Work | Yopy has handled open source much worse than Sharp is what prpplague is saying really |
| 18:09:53 | chouimat | Harlekin: and if you want to play game get a gba |
| 18:10:02 | Harlekin | chouimat: tell that Neo|Work |
| 18:10:07 | Harlekin | chouimat: he will love you |
| 18:10:09 | kergoth | chouimat: not if you want to actually see the screen :P |
| 18:10:24 | kergoth | they really shouldve put a backlight/frontlight in those things |
| 18:10:24 | chouimat | kergoth: ok I will buy a PS2 then |
| 18:10:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:10:27 | Neo|Work | chouimat: if you want to play games, get a PocketPC or Zaurus :) |
| 18:10:44 | Neo|Work | kergoth: a friend of mine hardware hacked is GBA to put in a backlight |
| 18:10:45 | Neo|Work | and it works too |
| 18:10:53 | kergoth | Neo|Work: nice. got a link? hehe |
| 18:10:57 | prpplague | ya bout the only thing i've gotten out of dealing with gmate is tons of korean spam |
| 18:10:59 | scanline | Harlekin: I'm just tired of people thinking they need as much memory as possible to do anything useful :) |
| 18:11:07 | Neo|Work | kergoth: nope, only saw it done |
| 18:11:09 | Harlekin | no |
| 18:11:14 | Harlekin | if youre low on mem, use palmOS |
| 18:11:18 | Harlekin | great for that |
| 18:11:23 | Harlekin | best thing arround |
| 18:11:28 | scanline | Yeah, except that I hate PalmOS |
| 18:11:29 | kergoth | Harlekin: or picogui, though it doesnt have much apps yet |
| 18:11:37 | Neo|Work | it will be interesting to see hof PalmOS 5 performs etc |
| 18:11:39 | Harlekin | kergoth: still fat linux below |
| 18:11:39 | chouimat | http://www.charmedlabs.com |
| 18:11:43 | scanline | I've programmed for PalmOS, and their API is ungood |
| 18:11:44 | Harlekin | kergoth: so allways palmos |
| 18:11:47 | cxm | I think there is a niche for high quality games on the Z that would be too demanding on palm |
| 18:11:58 | kergoth | Harlekin: still, with uclibc it could be trimmed |
| 18:12:01 | Neo|Work | PalmOS (<= 4 at least) is a horror to code for |
| 18:12:02 | kergoth | Harlekin: but you're right, there are limits |
| 18:12:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:12:14 | scanline | Harlekin: dude, I've run linux and picogui just fine on my Helio with 2MB rom |
| 18:12:19 | chouimat | Neo|Work: 64K segment :( |
| 18:12:20 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 18:12:28 | Harlekin | makes real sense |
| 18:12:32 | scanline | the flash isn't a problem |
| 18:12:41 | prpplague | i want someone to hack the leapfrog iquest |
| 18:12:41 | Neo|Work | chouimat: 32 kb is a limit you run into a lot |
| 18:12:53 | Neo|Work | and you have to work with memory using pointers to pointers |
| 18:12:59 | chouimat | kergoth: go see the url i give earlier |
| 18:13:09 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I know |
| 18:13:17 | Neo|Work | and > 32 KB of data can't be malloced but you need to use a "database' for it |
| 18:13:20 | Harlekin | scanline: you will see that once you do real coding (not only gui stuff) you will need space |
| 18:13:24 | kergoth | chouimat: ahah, thats sweet |
| 18:13:27 | Harlekin | for functionality |
| 18:13:27 | Neo|Work | so to sum it up - hell. :) |
| 18:13:32 | scanline | Harlekin: you think I don't do real coding? |
| 18:13:42 | Harlekin | scanline: what can your pim app do |
| 18:13:49 | chouimat | Neo|Work: remind me of the Z80, 6502 and 6809 |
| 18:13:51 | Harlekin | scanline: storing in db? |
| 18:13:55 | Harlekin | scanline: crosslinking? |
| 18:13:59 | Harlekin | scanline: fast search |
| 18:14:00 | scanline | Harlekin: I haven't written a PIM app yet, but yes it will use a database |
| 18:14:03 | Harlekin | scanline: different views |
| 18:14:09 | prpplague | mmmmmm, z80......i wish linux ran on that |
| 18:14:13 | Harlekin | scanline: then you will need space |
| 18:14:16 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:14:19 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 18:14:21 | scanline | Harlekin: not much space |
| 18:14:31 | Harlekin | scanline: yea, ill talk to you again in 1 year |
| 18:14:31 | chouimat | kergoth: I want one :) |
| 18:14:36 | Neo|Work | chouimat: show me a Z80 with 32 KB of memory. :P 6502 was used in C64 right? |
| 18:14:36 | Harlekin | when youre at the point |
| 18:14:36 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 18:14:41 | scanline | Harlekin: I'll put you on my list of people I've proved wrong then |
| 18:14:51 | Harlekin | how old are you |
| 18:14:54 | scanline | 18 |
| 18:15:01 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 18:15:04 | Harlekin | quite old |
| 18:15:12 | scanline | I've been working on picogui for 2.5 years now :P |
| 18:15:20 | Neo|Work | 18 == quite old? That's sad. :P |
| 18:15:37 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i think he was being a smartass |
| 18:15:38 | chouimat | Neo|Work: the C64 used the 6510 |
| 18:15:40 | kergoth | Neo|Work: :) |
| 18:15:48 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: i ment older then i had guessed |
| 18:16:02 | | benmeyer was last seen on #opie 8 seconds ago, saying: no group set [Wed Oct 2 19:15:54 2002] |
| 18:16:02 | anseror | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 18:16:05 | benmeyer | hi |
| 18:16:11 | anseror | hi |
| 18:16:19 | scanline | Harlekin: you think just because I have different ideas on how software should work than you do that I'm immature, or not capable of building something useful? |
| 18:16:28 | Harlekin | ? |
| 18:16:28 | chouimat | scanline: only 18? |
| 18:16:32 | Harlekin | quote where |
| 18:16:32 | anseror | if the zaurus i received is faulty, do i talk to you or call support? |
| 18:16:43 | scanline | chouimat: yes |
| 18:16:43 | chouimat | wb Sniper |
| 18:16:51 | chouimat | scanline: poor baby ;) |
| 18:16:53 | | i guess benmeyer is the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 18:16:53 | Harlekin | ibot: benmeyer |
| 18:17:09 | | rumour has it harlekin is one of the OPIE coordinators or responsible for "today" and some other sh.. , mail : mailto:harlekin@handhelds.org |
| 18:17:09 | Sniper | ibot harlekin |
| 18:17:21 | Harlekin | ? |
| 18:17:23 | | chouimat: excuse me? |
| 18:17:23 | chouimat | ibot George |
| 18:17:24 | Harlekin | arg |
| 18:17:33 | Harlekin | who is setting theses texts all the time |
| 18:17:34 | | George-: ibot is beginning to annoy me |
| 18:17:34 | chouimat | ibot George- |
| 18:17:47 | benmeyer | brb |
| 18:17:58 | Neo|Work | to put it this way: the Amiga had 512 KB and could do A LOT of useful stuff |
| 18:18:20 | Neo|Work | including multi-tasking with a nice gui environment |
| 18:18:28 | Wintre | Heh |
| 18:18:32 | chouimat | Neo|Work: my color computer 3 had 128KB and a multitasking os |
| 18:18:37 | Neo|Work | so I think we can pretty much agree that with 16 MB you CAN do hell of a lot of stuff w/o too much trouble |
| 18:18:51 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 18:18:52 | Neo|Work | Qtopia is not lean, or mean and neither is Linux really |
| 18:18:59 | Wintre | chouimat: You couldn't do a lot in it without the 512KB though |
| 18:18:59 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: my first hd was that size |
| 18:19:01 | scanline | Harlekin: I know PicoGUI doesn't have any apps compared to Opie, but that's only because Qt has more manpower behind it. PicoGUI can do with 3MB what Qt can't do with 16MB, and the same apps will scale to cellphones, older/newer PDAs, and desktops |
| 18:19:14 | chouimat | Wintre: I know but for game it's ok |
| 18:19:15 | scanline | s/what Qt/than Qt/ |
| 18:19:19 | Harlekin | scanline: hehe, wait and see |
| 18:19:25 | scanline | err.. |
| 18:19:31 | scanline | Harlekin: wait and see what? |
| 18:19:35 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 18:19:37 | Harlekin | you will |
| 18:19:40 | anseror | argh |
| 18:19:52 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: I think you're incorrect and scanline is correct. Qte/Qpe is huge and massive and not optimized for memory usage |
| 18:19:53 | chouimat | Wintre: someone is doing a unix clone for the c86/c128 |
| 18:19:59 | Harlekin | scanline: we could have a bet which is first on a cell phone, qtopia or picogui |
| 18:20:08 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: wait and see |
| 18:20:09 | Neo|Work | and it's definitely not as lean as an equivlent system could be |
| 18:20:17 | chouimat | Harlekin: for a cell phone I would use QNX |
| 18:20:21 | kergoth | chouimat: agreed. |
| 18:20:23 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: wait and see what, as scanline said? |
| 18:20:54 | Neo|Work | that said, a lot of stuff like games requires a lot more memory these days because they use 16 bpp graphics, 16 bit sound etc |
| 18:22:29 | chouimat | Neo|Work: but the game play often sucks |
| 18:23:31 | chouimat | WOW |
| 18:26:23 | prpplague | holy-splits batman! |
| 18:26:52 | chouimat | wb * |
| 18:26:59 | prpplague | yeee doggie, man thats fun |
| 18:27:06 | Neo|Work | chouimat: uh, no. |
| 18:27:10 | scanline | feh |
| 18:27:14 | Neo|Work | meaning that is not the point |
| 18:27:30 | Neo|Work | point is, any game these days use more memory for gfx and such |
| 18:27:49 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I know. but they spend less time on the game play |
| 18:28:21 | anseror | man this is really annoying |
| 18:28:21 | treke|laptop | there have always been a lot of games that suck |
| 18:28:21 | inomine| | look at nethack.. graphics suck but boy is it addictive |
| 18:28:21 | anseror | so my zaurus is bad |
| 18:28:26 | anseror | pretty sure it is |
| 18:28:30 | anseror | i call up sharp support |
| 18:28:49 | anseror | they want a valid sales receipt or packing slip that has date of purchase |
| 18:29:05 | anseror | but i won this in the challenge ... no sales receipt ... on packing slip either. |
| 18:29:08 | chouimat | treke|laptop: I have only two hands and I don't want to use 36 buttons on my joystick just to play |
| 18:29:57 | treke|laptop | chouimat: so dont |
| 18:30:07 | treke|laptop | I dont even own a joystick |
| 18:30:29 | chouimat | treke|laptop: me too |
| 18:30:58 | chouimat|nap | bbl |
| 18:31:16 | anseror | can any of you sharp guys help me with this? |
| 18:32:15 | Neo|Work | I think it's just us that think games were better before. |
| 18:32:18 | Wintre | anseror: Hm. Don't you have a contact with the contest guys? |
| 18:32:33 | Neo|Work | games are different today but the ratio between flops and hits are probably pretty similar |
| 18:32:44 | Wintre | Neo: Before they got Hollywoodized into, say, only five games? |
| 18:32:49 | anseror | Wintre: yeah, i'm probably supposed to receive a functioning product |
| 18:32:57 | Wintre | Games today are all the same |
| 18:33:12 | Neo|Work | not really |
| 18:33:12 | chouimat|nap | Neo|Work: in thoses days we have simple joysticks |
| 18:33:28 | Neo|Work | look at the handheld market. tons of amazing varied games there |
| 18:33:36 | Neo|Work | same in other markets too |
| 18:34:15 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: look to all those FPS, once you have played to Wolfstein 3D they're all the same but with better graphics and sound but nothing new |
| 18:34:15 | Neo|Work | chouimat|nap: and there were games back then that required tons of (non-configurable) keys on the keyboard |
| 18:34:29 | Wintre | anseror: Probably ;) But sending email to whomever at Sharp notified you about getting the Zaurus in the first place would be the first step |
| 18:34:31 | chouimat|nap | Neo|Work: true |
| 18:34:39 | Wintre | chouimat: Yep, basically what I mean |
| 18:34:57 | Wintre | RTS games - mostly the same |
| 18:35:04 | Neo|Work | and FPS games varies a lot but they are a similar genre. Quake = simple action, Unreal Tournament => more complex / intersting, etc |
| 18:35:06 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: RTS? |
| 18:35:15 | Wintre | Homeworld was a bit of a step but still not drastic |
| 18:35:17 | Neo|Work | just like back in the days, shoot em up games were mostly the same |
| 18:35:18 | Wintre | Real-time strategy |
| 18:35:20 | Neo|Work | no difference dudes |
| 18:35:23 | Wintre | Neo: Sure |
| 18:35:28 | Neo|Work | just different "popular" genres |
| 18:35:47 | Neo|Work | which means less popular ones, like adventure games, are less prominent these days |
| 18:35:47 | Wintre | Neo: But there were plenty of other types of games as well - now it seems that only a handful of genres have any attention whatever |
| 18:35:54 | Neo|Work | not that I ever liked those |
| 18:35:57 | Wintre | Adventures seem to be mostly dead |
| 18:36:05 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: go a strategy game on the coco, got a campaign running for 6 months |
| 18:36:06 | Neo|Work | Wintre: simply a matter of cost vs revenue |
| 18:36:26 | anseror | this is giving me very little motiation to finish my app. |
| 18:36:28 | W|GGL|T | with all the people complaining about bad PIM apps, why's there such a big focus on gaming apps instead? |
| 18:36:38 | anseror | s/motiation/motivation |
| 18:36:42 | Neo|Work | adventure games, and "real" flight simulators, have a thin market - simply not worth the cost of development |
| 18:36:43 | chouimat|nap | remembers Loom, Monkey's Island, Ultima, King Quests, Space Quests etc ... |
| 18:37:05 | benmeyer | anyone done vpn via ipsec through the z? |
| 18:37:12 | Neo|Work | W|GGL|T: there's a "big focus on gaming apps"? That's news to me |
| 18:37:19 | chouimat|nap | benmeyer: not yet, next step |
| 18:37:19 | Wintre | God, King's Quest. There was an overrated series... |
| 18:37:19 | kergoth | chouimat|nap: i miss those. |
| 18:37:22 | Neo|Work | and games are there because people also want games |
| 18:37:32 | benmeyer | chouimat|nap: is the ipsec module your app? |
| 18:37:47 | Wintre | Neo: I understand the market forces causing the problem |
| 18:37:53 | Wintre | Neo: Doesn't mean I don't think they suck ;) |
| 18:37:55 | W|GGL|T | Neo|Work: moreso than PIM apps, thats for sure |
| 18:38:00 | chouimat|nap | benmeyer: no nessus client but my boss want to test ipsec vpn with pda |
| 18:38:12 | benmeyer | same here :-D |
| 18:38:24 | Neo|Work | W|GGL|T: if you look at original work rather than ports, I doubt you're correct |
| 18:38:38 | chouimat|nap | kergoth: a ultima (not the last one) type game on the z would be good |
| 18:38:39 | W|GGL|T | Neo|Work: im looking at overall |
| 18:38:42 | Neo|Work | Wintre: perhaps but it doesn't mean todays games suck. I for one never really liked adventure games |
| 18:38:44 | kergoth | chouimat|nap: i agree |
| 18:38:59 | chouimat|nap | kergoth: can't get exult working (and installing) |
| 18:39:01 | W|GGL|T | Neo|Work: and there aren't many pim ports either |
| 18:39:11 | Neo|Work | W|GGL|T: which means nothing. Ported games shouldn't count - they are not the same as making an original product, believe me |
| 18:39:14 | W|GGL|T | none, in fact |
| 18:39:16 | Wintre | Neo: Fair enough, but still, there's precious little new anything going on |
| 18:39:24 | chouimat|nap | benmeyer: but I need to fix the windows problem first |
| 18:39:28 | Wintre | anseror: Sorry if I sound naieve, but which challenge? |
| 18:39:30 | Neo|Work | of course not, because there are no PIM's to port and porting a PIM would require A LOT more work than porting a game |
| 18:39:40 | Neo|Work | a PIM is mostly UI, a game is mostly UI independent |
| 18:39:57 | Neo|Work | porting MFC UI stuff is A LOT harder than porting an independent game engine |
| 18:40:01 | W|GGL|T | Neo|Work: thanks for your view of what shouldn't count...answer my question and quit feeding me fatty tissue or don't answer...i hate sidestepping issues |
| 18:40:09 | Wintre | Not Trolltech's contest I hope |
| 18:40:44 | Neo|Work | W|GGL|T: dude, you're stepping on a thin branch here. |
| 18:40:47 | Wintre | Neo: Some games are extremely UI dependent |
| 18:40:58 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: bad design then |
| 18:41:09 | Neo|Work | Wintre: and have you seen me porting any of those? No? point proven. :-) |
| 18:41:10 | Neo|Work | There's a reason that I don't do ports |
| 18:41:16 | Neo|Work | of applications of such games |
| 18:41:33 | Wintre | Goddamn openprojects |
| 18:41:39 | kergoth | Wintre: here here |
| 18:41:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:41:40 | Neo|Work | W|GGL|T: and I did answer your question. Reason for me doing games == it's fun and relatively easy and rewarding to myself |
| 18:41:58 | Wintre | As I was saying, Neo: Some games are extremely UI dependent |
| 18:42:01 | Wintre | Homeworld comes to immediately to mind, along with other RTS games |
| 18:42:02 | Neo|Work | reason for little PIM work: what is little PIM work? tkc has several pim replacements apps, there's the kde ported one etc |
| 18:42:05 | chouimat|nap | loves the netsplit festival |
| 18:42:14 | treke | theres also opie's work on the pim apps |
| 18:42:23 | Neo|Work | Wintre: there's a different beween in-game UI and using the operating systems UI |
| 18:42:33 | Neo|Work | most games do NOT us the underlaying UI system |
| 18:42:34 | Wintre | Neo: Point taken |
| 18:42:38 | treke | thats a lot of pip options for a small market :) |
| 18:42:40 | Wintre | Well. |
| 18:42:48 | Neo|Work | in-game UI is not a problem, it's just porting the engine |
| 18:42:52 | Wintre | At least it's close enough that I can grant it ;) |
| 18:43:21 | Wintre | (though I'd be careful about generalizing that nonetheless; you assume a well-abstracted design) |
| 18:43:43 | Neo|Work | out of all the ports I've done, which is quite a few, the only "UI" used is MessageBox with one exception in Dragon Bane 2. Dragon Bane 2 is by far the most annoying port because of this |
| 18:43:57 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: I can show you very very bad php code |
| 18:44:03 | Neo|Work | I actually need to do Qte ui design for that port which is time consuming |
| 18:44:07 | Wintre | Perhaps it's my own feeling that the PC gaming industry at least is largely devoid of creativity |
| 18:44:14 | Wintre | chouimat: PHP should not exist. |
| 18:44:29 | Wintre | "Web applications" do not exist. |
| 18:44:30 | Wintre | Err |
| 18:44:33 | Wintre | "Web applications" should not exist. |
| 18:44:38 | kergoth | Wintre: bah |
| 18:44:40 | Wintre | You really don't want to get me started on this subject :) |
| 18:44:44 | Neo|Work | Wintre: I think there's a lot of creativity but a lot of the people with money, the ones actually making decisions, sees the current "big thing" and want to mimic it |
| 18:45:08 | Wintre | Neo: Hm. I hope that the creativity is there indeed, because then there's hope |
| 18:45:12 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: all php codes are embedded in html tags. spend 8 months to recode it from scratch |
| 18:45:26 | Wintre | chouimat: I know. I used to use a similar language, but even worse. |
| 18:45:36 | Wintre | Far, far worse. |
| 18:45:44 | Neo|Work | W|GGL|T: as for feeding you fatty tissue, whatever the hell that means, make your own PIM if it's so damn important |
| 18:45:57 | Neo|Work | personally I think the builtin ones are _in general_ good enough for _my_ needs |
| 18:46:09 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: what I have done is to make the php code generate the html code not the other way |
| 18:46:15 | Neo|Work | Wintre: usually it's the published that decides what gets developed |
| 18:46:17 | Wintre | Neo: So perhaps it's just that I don't pay close attention to the gaming industry so I'm only aware of the biggest names, and those are all the same |
| 18:46:30 | Neo|Work | and the publisher is only interested in making money to get a return on their investment |
| 18:46:31 | Wintre | chouimat: No offense, but I'd rather not hear about it ;) |
| 18:46:44 | Neo|Work | the truely creative games come from studios that are self-funder |
| 18:47:03 | Wintre | Neo: Got some examples handy? |
| 18:47:21 | Neo|Work | and the problem is that to be able to sell a game on a large scale it more or less has to be up-to-par when it comes to visual appeal and audio |
| 18:47:25 | Neo|Work | and that costs money |
| 18:47:29 | kergoth | chouimat|nap: thats what i do as well. |
| 18:47:30 | Neo|Work | well, one example is MindRover |
| 18:47:47 | Neo|Work | by CogniToy |
| 18:47:56 | Wintre | Ah, that was the "program a bot to battle another" game? |
| 18:48:08 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 18:48:36 | Neo|Work | I'm by no means an expert in this area but I do kind-of know the dynamics of development |
| 18:48:43 | chouimat|nap | kergoth: I was learning php when I got that job :( |
| 18:48:45 | Wintre | An old idea ;) |
| 18:48:50 | kergoth | chouimat|nap: ouch |
| 18:48:52 | Neo|Work | rarely does the developer get to decide their own course of action completely |
| 18:49:01 | Wintre | welcome back, oh lost brethren |
| 18:49:01 | Wintre | Oops, spoke too soon |
| 18:49:04 | anseror | something is seriously broken ... |
| 18:49:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:49:08 | kergoth | oi |
| 18:49:18 | Neo|Work | yeah, it's called "freenode" |
| 18:49:39 | Wintre | blames lilo |
| 18:49:43 | anseror | heheh |
| 18:49:54 | Dr_Who | sure that's not efnet II? |
| 18:49:57 | chouimat|nap | kergoth: enough to make me sick. and I was divorcing back then. (haven't seen much of that money) |
| 18:50:21 | kergoth | Dr_Who: sure feels like it |
| 18:50:32 | Neo|Work | and btw, the Handheld game market is much more like the classic gamedevelopment |
| 18:50:33 | kergoth | chouimat|nap: Gah, that must have sucked. |
| 18:50:40 | Wintre | I wonder if they've tried the laissez-faire approach to hubbing |
| 18:50:51 | chouimat|nap | kergoth: like my ex-wife ;) |
| 18:50:54 | Neo|Work | 1-6 people teams working with "no" budget making fun and creative games |
| 18:51:01 | Wintre | Neo|Work: Heh |
| 18:51:02 | Wintre | Indeed |
| 18:51:20 | Wintre | Bigass productions licensing the latest from Star Wars or whatever == suck |
| 18:51:35 | Neo|Work | That is something I'd love to work with, full time, but unfortunately I'm not in a position to take such risks, plus even if I can create a hit, I'd need money to develop it |
| 18:51:37 | Wintre | Or at least probably == suck. X-Wing was lots of fun, for example. |
| 18:51:40 | chouimat|nap | welcome back to the Netsplit Festival |
| 18:51:51 | Wintre | Uplink was a good example actually, though I lost interest in it |
| 18:51:53 | Neo|Work | licensed / themed games usually don't turn out good. :) |
| 18:51:59 | Wintre | Shortly before I got into the storyline I think |
| 18:52:10 | Neo|Work | right, that's another example of an independent game |
| 18:52:26 | jcchile | I've just launched a brand new Spanish Zaurus website...Anyone speaks spanish here? ...the site is called: http://www.miZaurus.com Hope ya enjoy it! |
| 18:52:32 | Neo|Work | indy developers have a hard time making money and don't produce top-of-the-line games in terms of visual appeal etc |
| 18:52:37 | tboc | =) |
| 18:52:40 | Wintre | Neo: Indeed |
| 18:52:41 | tboc | echan |
| 18:52:41 | Neo|Work | but usually get the gameplay/story right |
| 18:52:42 | chouimat|nap | got an idea for a game |
| 18:52:49 | Wintre | That's one cool thing about interactive ficiton |
| 18:53:03 | Neo|Work | I have several ideas myself but time to execute them is harder |
| 18:53:22 | Wintre | chouimat: You play a bored hacker who has to convince a bunch of other bored hackers of the rightness of his own ideas in wanky online discussions? :) |
| 18:53:39 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:53:51 | Wintre | I have an idea for a physically accurate space RTS game... But I don't think it'd be much fun. ;) |
| 18:53:53 | Neo|Work | that said, one successful game especially with an OEM deal can keep a PocketPC developer team of 1-4 ppl doing well for quite some time |
| 18:54:04 | chouimat|nap | based on Moorcock's Eternal Champion |
| 18:54:32 | Neo|Work | Wintre: that's the thing too - epople have all these ideas but in reality it ends up not being very fun to play |
| 18:54:50 | Neo|Work | IWar is a space game using realistic physics, but basically gameplay sucked ass |
| 18:55:10 | Wintre | Hmmm, might be though... "Ergh, my dreadnought's mostly out of fuel... Nudge it... ok... into orbit around the sun..." <six game months elapse> "Here it comes again..." |
| 18:55:12 | inomine| | iwar2 is even more realistic but it still sucked |
| 18:55:15 | NetNut404_work | what was that I heard about the latest rom not allowing the cf network card to not work? |
| 18:55:30 | Wintre | IWar? URL? |
| 18:56:01 | inomine| | edgeofchaos.(net?) i think |
| 18:56:30 | Neo|Work | games like Freespace and Wing Commander and even Elite are much more fun to play even though the physics is more that of a flight simulator |
| 18:56:46 | Wintre | Indeed |
| 18:56:58 | Wintre | But I'm thinking RTS, not flight sim |
| 18:57:18 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: like lgeneral? |
| 18:57:23 | Neo|Work | there was one game for the Amiga which had realistic physics but also had differet auto pilot modes |
| 18:57:24 | mehuman | Hi, when i try to install a package on my zaurus using Qtopia Desktop, the package downloads fine but then freezes on the upload package |
| 18:57:33 | Wintre | chouimat: Never heard of it. |
| 18:57:44 | Neo|Work | that made it playable while still keeping the option to do realistics physics |
| 18:57:51 | inomine| | how about a nice platformer? |
| 18:58:00 | Wintre | Neo: Yeah, one would need nice intelligent automation |
| 18:58:28 | NetNut404_work | anyone ever make the Z pingable from a machine on a network (other than the one it's plugged into) |
| 18:58:31 | Neo|Work | that said, what I want to make the most right now is a Elite type space trading game with an underlaying (mostly optional I think) story |
| 18:58:43 | NetNut404_work | I meant using the docking stantion |
| 18:58:46 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: panzer general clone |
| 18:59:04 | Neo|Work | can you believe there is no such 3D game for the PocketPC? |
| 18:59:05 | inomine| | NeoTron: cool, hows hdb going btw? |
| 18:59:14 | Wintre | Neo: ISTR a game called "Space station terminus" or something |
| 18:59:14 | Neo|Work | inomine|: I haven't worked on the Zaurus port |
| 18:59:16 | Wintre | Very much like that |
| 18:59:20 | inomine| | there is 1 for palm :) |
| 18:59:30 | Neo|Work | inomine|: I know |
| 18:59:33 | chouimat|nap | inomine|: Sapce trader |
| 18:59:47 | Neo|Work | well no, there's a 3d one using non-filled vector graphics |
| 18:59:48 | inomine| | no with 3 graphics and all |
| 18:59:54 | Neo|Work | space trader doesn't have the space flying part |
| 19:00:14 | inomine| | still the vector based 1 is slow and pretty boring |
| 19:00:22 | chouimat|nap | Neo|Work: but it's fun |
| 19:00:26 | Neo|Work | it's hard to play ... |
| 19:00:27 | Wintre | I think I tried the IWar demo - not much fun indeed |
| 19:00:27 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 48 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: tux_mike:; that is a very funny one [Wed Oct 2 16:11:58 2002] |
| 19:00:27 | erikd | ibot seen bigboss |
| 19:00:34 | Neo|Work | chouimat|nap: Indeed, I've played space trader to dear |
| 19:00:40 | Neo|Work | death even |
| 19:00:43 | Neo|Work | it does get pretty boring after a while |
| 19:00:56 | Neo|Work | but add real 3D space simulator and a more itneresting storyu line and it'll be a hit |
| 19:01:11 | chouimat|nap | Neo|Work: still play that in 4-7 when they get boring |
| 19:01:14 | Wintre | StarCon II - now there was a really good game |
| 19:01:15 | Neo|Work | image it Interstellar Flames graphics and funner game play. :) |
| 19:01:44 | erikd | neo: oooh, that'd be nice |
| 19:01:52 | chouimat|nap | Neo|Work: how about a warcratf type |
| 19:02:00 | Neo|Work | still need to assemble a team to do write it. At a minimum I'd need a gfx guy |
| 19:02:24 | Neo|Work | chouimat|nap: sure, but I don't want to do a strategy game. 3D space genre is less used at this point |
| 19:02:41 | Neo|Work | and there's Strategic Assault and Argentum there |
| 19:02:46 | erikd | anyone know when tkc plans on releasing a windows version of rekall? |
| 19:03:07 | chouimat|nap | Neo|Work: Mario Bros :) |
| 19:03:21 | Neo|Work | nope. I have my idea and I'm sticking to it, if I do anything |
| 19:03:28 | chouimat|nap | hehe |
| 19:03:48 | Neo|Work | just need a story (well, one could make a first version that has no story too and it still might be cool) |
| 19:03:53 | Neo|Work | and someone to do gfx |
| 19:04:08 | Neo|Work | and of course time |
| 19:04:41 | Wintre | Hmm |
| 19:05:00 | chouimat|nap | Neo|Work: will try to make a good adventure game like good old bedlam |
| 19:05:13 | Neo|Work | and if there's someone that can get funding for a PPC/Zaurus game dev company, I'll take that too. :)) |
| 19:05:23 | chouimat|nap | lol |
| 19:05:35 | Neo|Work | and I'm serious about that of course |
| 19:05:35 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: btw, are there more games coming on the IF engine? |
| 19:05:44 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: i ment a space sim |
| 19:05:52 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: Xen Games next game will use it, and I might as I said above |
| 19:05:58 | inomine| | ill probably be willing to donate $100 |
| 19:06:03 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: yeah but what kind of |
| 19:06:03 | Neo|Work | and their name game will not be a space sim |
| 19:06:07 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: /me wants elite |
| 19:06:19 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: did you just see what I've been writing above? |
| 19:06:22 | Wintre | I want a good damn sci-fi game |
| 19:06:26 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: no |
| 19:06:30 | Neo|Work | inomine|: hehe. I was thiking more in the 100-250k range myself |
| 19:06:43 | Wintre | Homeworld and Cataclysm were the best I played recently, and they weren't all that fantastic in an absolute sense |
| 19:06:45 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: check the history. I _want_ to make such a game |
| 19:06:49 | Wintre | The stories weren't that creative really |
| 19:06:50 | Harlekin | ah |
| 19:07:00 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: think its worth it? |
| 19:07:00 | inomine| | NeoTron: i know :) |
| 19:07:33 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: worth making one? Hell yeah |
| 19:07:51 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: i ment the time spent/ money trade off |
| 19:07:56 | Neo|Work | if made well it'll easily be among the best selling games on the PocketPC |
| 19:07:58 | Neo|Work | and Zaurus |
| 19:08:12 | Neo|Work | IF is the number one selling game on handango right now |
| 19:08:20 | Neo|Work | and it's after all just an action game |
| 19:08:26 | Harlekin | but haveing a real story line takes a lot of time |
| 19:08:27 | chouimat|nap | Wintre: a good adventure game |
| 19:08:35 | Wintre | chouimat: Eh? |
| 19:09:03 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: of course, which is why such a thing might not be the primary thing to be implemented |
| 19:09:14 | Neo|Work | version 1 might just be Elite type game w/o missions |
| 19:09:14 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:09:29 | Neo|Work | version 2 adding random missions and version 3 being a complete story driven game |
| 19:09:32 | Harlekin | and even just to reach that |
| 19:10:03 | Neo|Work | Elite is 15000 lines of code |
| 19:10:06 | Neo|Work | (EliteGL that is) |
| 19:10:12 | Neo|Work | not an unreachable goal |
| 19:10:15 | Harlekin | its open source? |
| 19:10:15 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 19:10:19 | Harlekin | oh |
| 19:10:22 | Harlekin | didnt know that |
| 19:10:22 | Neo|Work | but I wouldn't want an elite clone |
| 19:10:28 | Neo|Work | it's a reverse engineered game |
| 19:10:37 | Harlekin | elite / WC privateer type |
| 19:10:40 | chouimat|nap | http://ire.sf.net |
| 19:10:41 | Neo|Work | i.e reverese engineered from original BBC code or something |
| 19:10:56 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: privateer is my goal yes, Elite might be a first version |
| 19:11:30 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:12:22 | Neo|Work | I mean, it could be done either as patch releases /updates or as a new title |
| 19:12:22 | scan[ibook] | One-eyed smiley? (: |
| 19:12:40 | chouimat | Neo|Work: just found a little game engine |
| 19:12:47 | Neo|Work | you have to set the goals so they can be reached |
| 19:13:04 | Neo|Work | chouimat: I have (for PPC) access to both a good 2D and a good 3D engine myself |
| 19:13:12 | Neo|Work | s/ppc/ppc+zaurus/ |
| 19:13:24 | chouimat | Neo|Work: http://ire.sf.net |
| 19:14:37 | Neo|Work | anyhow, afk |
| 19:14:48 | Neo|Work | is away: afk |
| 19:18:44 | tux_mike | neo: what toolkits may you suggest besides Qt for game development on the Z? |
| 19:19:02 | scan[ibook] | SDL |
| 19:19:30 | tux_mike | how well behaved is SDL? |
| 19:20:17 | scan[ibook] | dunno how good the Qt bindings are for it, but in general SDL is very stable |
| 19:20:28 | scan[ibook] | and it gives you portability if you use it right |
| 19:21:53 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 19:23:41 | scan[ibook] | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 19:24:23 | TheMasterMind1 | scan[ibook]: sup |
| 19:25:01 | scan[ibook] | is debugging |
| 19:25:07 | tux_mike | scan: i'm looking for something new that can help me with screen control. i use a lot of Qt collection classes for my logic (that much works and has worked fine) |
| 19:25:32 | scan[ibook] | tux_mike: oh, if you're using Qt anyway you might as well use it's graphics classes |
| 19:27:09 | anseror | benmeyer rocks |
| 19:31:39 | chouimat | anseror: ? |
| 19:32:03 | Harlekin | benmeyer: there it is, your first fanclub |
| 19:32:08 | anseror | heheh |
| 19:32:19 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:32:48 | anseror | he's gonna get things straightened out with my faulty z. |
| 19:32:59 | chouimat | kergoth: found an ultima6 type engine |
| 19:55:41 | BZFlag | still has a dead Z. |
| 19:56:14 | ljp_work | dead Z? why for? |
| 19:56:51 | kergoth | BZFlag: no luck from the sharp folks? |
| 20:04:06 | Cloudchaser | haha my son wants to manufacture a zaurus flashing tool |
| 20:04:14 | Cloudchaser | that holds down the c + d keys |
| 20:04:26 | cdm | ;) |
| 20:04:41 | diclophis | z0r |
| 20:04:44 | diclophis | is there an nes emulator |
| 20:04:44 | diclophis | ? |
| 20:04:54 | diclophis | for the z that is |
| 20:16:18 | NetNut404_work | can you put a backround on the zarus with the default window manager etc? |
| 20:16:30 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: qtopia cant. opie can. |
| 20:17:07 | NetNut404_work | is there alot of advantage to opie? |
| 20:17:31 | kergoth | read |
| 20:17:32 | | hmmm... opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 20:17:32 | kergoth | ibot opie |
| 20:18:22 | NetNut404_work | scratches his head, and wonders if that answered his question or not |
| 20:19:13 | kergoth | no |
| 20:19:15 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: man you have a son old enough to want to do that? :) |
| 20:19:24 | kergoth | it tells you to go to the appropriate urls to find your own answer |
| 20:19:33 | NetNut404_work | I guess I wanted an opinion if it was really worth it |
| 20:19:36 | Cloudchaser | i'm not a man and yes ;) |
| 20:19:39 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 01:04:51) |
| 20:19:48 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: my opinion is it is, by far. |
| 20:19:50 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: man as in "gesh" not as in "male being" |
| 20:19:57 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 20:20:01 | Cloudchaser | he's 21 |
| 20:20:13 | Neo|Work | That's close to my age. ;-) |
| 20:20:20 | tux_mike | same here |
| 20:20:23 | kergoth | is 22 |
| 20:20:33 | Cloudchaser | ok so i'm an old lady ;( |
| 20:20:40 | NetNut404_work | is 30 |
| 20:20:48 | tux_mike | 22 |
| 20:20:54 | Neo|Work | 27 |
| 20:20:58 | KhensU | 31 |
| 20:21:21 | treke|laptop | 12 |
| 20:21:26 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 20:21:26 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 20:21:28 | Bala | 27 and 349/365ths :) |
| 20:21:49 | tux_mike | then there's george who is 14 and shows it often :) |
| 20:22:00 | KhensU | hehe |
| 20:22:21 | Harlekin | 42 |
| 20:22:34 | scan[ibook] | whee.. I'll have to test this on my zaurus, but I think i've fixed like 5 bugs just during this class =) |
| 20:22:43 | kergoth | scan[ibook]: hah, nice |
| 20:23:28 | scan[ibook] | this should make picogui's launcher actually usable |
| 20:23:30 | Bala | scan[ibook]: shouldnt you be paying more attention to the class itself? :) |
| 20:23:33 | | Sniper: what? |
| 20:23:33 | Sniper | ibot george |
| 20:23:36 | Sniper | ping george |
| 20:23:42 | scan[ibook] | Bala: crazy idea :) |
| 20:24:02 | NetNut404_work | hmmm |
| 20:24:34 | Bala | scan[ibook]: unless its something easy. :) |
| 20:24:45 | chouimat | Sniper: george wil be here in a month |
| 20:24:49 | scan[ibook] | algorithms class, about cryptography lately |
| 20:24:53 | NetNut404_work | looking at the screen shots at http://opie.handhelds.org/ they don't look alot different than what I am running |
| 20:24:55 | scan[ibook] | pretty interesting |
| 20:25:05 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: opie is based on qtopia's codebase. |
| 20:25:32 | scan[ibook] | hmm.. if only I'd left my zaurus turned on I could ssh into it and contol it remotely with ssh, x2pgui, and screencap |
| 20:25:53 | scan[ibook] | or the framebuffer vncserver I suppose |
| 20:26:01 | Bala | if only.. :) |
| 20:26:03 | treke|laptop | NetNut404_work: dont look at opie.handhelds.org. please |
| 20:26:40 | NetNut404_work | I wish I could do that I can't seem to touch my Zaurus cept from the machine it's plugged into |
| 20:27:01 | scan[ibook] | NetNut404_work: you'd have to have the routing set up right |
| 20:27:04 | scan[ibook] | I'm using 802.11 |
| 20:27:21 | NetNut404_work | ahh I am using the cradel |
| 20:27:37 | scan[ibook] | it would be laptop -> 802.11 school LAN -> navi.picogui.org -> 802.11 in my room -> zaurus |
| 20:27:40 | scan[ibook] | :) |
| 20:27:44 | NetNut404_work | I ordered myslef a 256 M sd card.. I can hardly wait |
| 20:27:59 | Neo|Work | man, kids have it good these days |
| 20:28:31 | NetNut404_work | no.. they just have nice toys |
| 20:28:32 | Sniper | hey does anyone use lycoris? |
| 20:28:54 | chouimat | Sniper: nope |
| 20:29:00 | Sniper | is their any value to getting the Z working wiht it? |
| 20:29:07 | Neo|Work | Sniper: nope. someone from there did contact me about games or something |
| 20:29:29 | Sniper | ok just wondering... |
| 20:29:32 | Neo|Work | it's just normal Linux is it not? I.e not hard to get the Z working with it, just ge tthe right kernel module |
| 20:29:40 | NetNut404_work | my Z can route to the net, but no other hosts can route to it |
| 20:29:48 | Sniper | do they have a large user base? |
| 20:30:08 | scan[ibook] | NetNut404_work: you'd have to have a real IP address for the Z instead of using ip masq |
| 20:30:10 | NetNut404_work | havent had time to figure out why yet |
| 20:30:17 | Neo|Work | Sniper: somehow doubt it's that large |
| 20:30:18 | NetNut404_work | yeah,, it's real |
| 20:30:39 | diclophis | anyone know what the key bindings are for gnuboy? |
| 20:30:41 | NetNut404_work | I need to get my vmware to be able to touch my z's ip |
| 20:31:18 | NetNut404_work | I was already routing simular with my agenda vr3 before I got the Z last week |
| 20:31:39 | chouimat | is bored so he's ordering a mail order bride |
| 20:31:49 | NetNut404_work | lol |
| 20:31:54 | Bala | from where chouimat?? |
| 20:31:58 | Neo|Work | ebay? |
| 20:32:02 | NetNut404_work | hehehe |
| 20:32:06 | chouimat | hehe |
| 20:32:12 | Bala | mailorderbrides.com? |
| 20:32:13 | Neo|Work | brides.ebay.com |
| 20:32:47 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 5 hours, 55 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: heh [Fri Sep 27 15:37:07 2002] |
| 20:32:47 | diclophis | ibot seen warmi |
| 20:33:16 | NetNut404_work | guess I will have to look into the opie thing som more after I get the sd card installed (so I don't loose everhting on a crash)_ |
| 20:35:30 | NetNut404_work | anyone here every try the sharp wireless service thing? |
| 20:36:22 | Sniper | me |
| 20:36:57 | darienm | NetNut404_work: I have Sharp Wireless Services |
| 20:37:06 | darienm | NetNut404_work: But it doesn't work |
| 20:37:21 | darienm | NetNut404_work: And that has me stumped, since I'm in Chicago |
| 20:39:30 | Neo|Work | darienm: gfx? :) |
| 20:42:47 | Sniper | i wouldnt go crazy over CPD |
| 20:44:27 | NetNut404_work | I ordered a serial cable so I can hook my Z to my motorola cell phone which doubles as a modem |
| 20:46:37 | darienm | Neo|Work: I was zamboozled. There's not much of anything done. |
| 20:46:59 | Neo|Work | darienm: ok ok. :P |
| 20:47:23 | darienm | Neo|Work: There is a fairly flexible template though... Just no artwork on it yet. |
| 20:47:38 | Neo|Work | ok, sounds odd, but... :) |
| 20:47:44 | Neo|Work | I don't do art so what do I know |
| 20:49:41 | darienm | Neo|Work: I'll put something together for you. I need a few hours this evening, then I'll post it for download. |
| 20:49:51 | Sniper | ping BEN |
| 20:51:05 | NetNut404_work | treke|laptop: Why should I not look at opie.hanhelds.org? |
| 20:51:23 | NetNut404_work | her handhelds.org that is |
| 20:51:38 | NetNut404_work | really can't type today |
| 20:53:45 | chouimat | anyone was able to make exult work on a 5000D? |
| 20:55:01 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 20:59:06 | BZFlag | kergoth: still dead. talking to Sniper now. |
| 21:02:26 | scanline | compiles some more |
| 21:07:43 | zecke | does anyone have a serial cable for the Zaurus? |
| 21:08:02 | Sniper | i do |
| 21:08:43 | zecke | Sniper:if you plug this cable are you able to use the keyboard? |
| 21:08:52 | kergoth | zecke: it physically blocks it |
| 21:08:55 | Sniper | blocks keyboard |
| 21:09:01 | zecke | fsck |
| 21:09:03 | kergoth | zecke: you can alter the cable to change that, i've heard |
| 21:09:08 | kergoth | zecke: though i havent tried it yet |
| 21:09:22 | zecke | that is kind of stupid IMHO |
| 21:09:34 | kergoth | agreedc. |
| 21:09:35 | kergoth | agreed. |
| 21:09:41 | kergoth | not much good for consoling servers and routers without a keyboard |
| 21:09:47 | zecke | who is manufactering these cables? |
| 21:10:33 | Harlekin | zecke: feile nehmen, abhobeln |
| 21:11:24 | zecke | Harlekin: I guess one has to do that |
| 21:11:57 | Harlekin | zecke: or wait until sniper found a company != sharp who does manufator some better |
| 21:12:00 | jaytee | is there a way to get updates of theKompany software? |
| 21:12:02 | Harlekin | and very sure also cheaper |
| 21:12:04 | Harlekin | one |
| 21:12:09 | Harlekin | jaytee: yeah, pay |
| 21:12:11 | Harlekin | .) |
| 21:12:21 | jaytee | Harlekin: I already have |
| 21:12:27 | curd | On the 5000D, you can boot to console mode by pressing space when the Z is starting up. Is there a way to do that with a 5500? |
| 21:12:36 | numatrix | curd: use the / button. |
| 21:12:38 | Harlekin | jaytee: again |
| 21:12:49 | jaytee | Harlekin: I was asking about updates between minor versions |
| 21:12:51 | Harlekin | but some updates are included |
| 21:12:52 | Harlekin | i heard |
| 21:12:59 | numatrix | curd: Whichever is directly to the left of the space. When you see the "Wait 5.4.3.2.1" line. |
| 21:13:01 | Harlekin | ask bigboss |
| 21:13:27 | jaytee | Harlekin: that's the advice I really needed :-) |
| 21:13:45 | Harlekin | he knows |
| 21:14:11 | curd | thanks |
| 21:16:46 | numatrix | curd: No problem. |
| 21:17:42 | jaytee | Harlekin: looked in the news archives... I'm there |
| 21:19:39 | Dessimat0r | does anyone have a copy of opera? for some reason, when i used opera creator, mine is only 31kb. when I tried to install it, it said unexpected end of ipk, or something |
| 21:19:40 | Dessimat0r | i can prove that i had opera, if you want |
| 21:19:40 | Dessimat0r | I just dont want to have to reinstall the sharp rom... |
| 21:20:06 | Locutus4242 | For the Cable mod. look here- http://www.pellicoSystems.com/zaurus/rs232mod/index.html |
| 21:20:18 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: I don't know of anyone who's gotten opera working in OZ. |
| 21:20:23 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:20:24 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 21:20:36 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: There's an ipk creator for it, but something's still broken with it. |
| 21:20:36 | Dessimat0r | so it is meant to be that size? |
| 21:20:40 | Dessimat0r | i see :/ |
| 21:21:44 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: Yeah, it's just a shell script that gathers up the opera files and makes another ipk out of them. Except there's still something wrong with it. |
| 21:22:01 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: The hancom app creator works at least, as does the jeode one. |
| 21:24:42 | Locutus4242 | zecke: did you see that URL to the cable mod? |
| 21:26:38 | numatrix | Hmm, bummer, they're selling mod'ed cables, but for $60. Too bad the cables start off so expensive. |
| 21:28:07 | anseror | numatrix: weren't you getting off work at 5:30? |
| 21:28:09 | Locutus4242 | yup. Palm cables were always $20.... |
| 21:28:25 | Cloudchaser | so where hp jornada cables |
| 21:28:25 | numatrix | anseror: Yeah, but I'm trying to get a freaking problem with my buildroot fixed. It's completely nonfunctional now. :-( |
| 21:28:33 | numatrix | anseror: Want to chill here? ;-) |
| 21:29:00 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.29570.png |
| 21:29:03 | anseror | can't |
| 21:29:06 | Harlekin | Dessimat0r: talk to benmeyer |
| 21:29:27 | Locutus4242 | think about how Sharp built the cable: they put the power jack on the cable when it's right there next to it on the Z. |
| 21:30:01 | Locutus4242 | That power jack is what causes all the hassle( sticks up to block keyboard ). |
| 21:30:32 | Cloudchaser | i think jason said the cable wasn't made for the SL5000 line, but another model |
| 21:30:45 | numatrix | What's that crazy theme on scap? The one with the little penguin on the 'start' button. |
| 21:31:00 | chouimat | wow! a free teen devirgination clip! I'm sick of that type of spam |
| 21:31:16 | numatrix | chouimat: Aren't we all. |
| 21:31:30 | Locutus4242 | And Sharp still hasn't build a Z specific cable? It's not THAT difficult to do. |
| 21:31:48 | chouimat | numatrix: the 50th today |
| 21:33:14 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:33:15 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 21:33:24 | Locutus4242 | I'll tell you, if those connectors weren't impossible to get, there would be far more choices. Heck, at least more than one. ;/ |
| 21:33:39 | Dessimat0r | do you know how to get Konquerer to work, btw? ;) |
| 21:33:51 | Dessimat0r | also, i got HancomWord and Sheet both working FULLY |
| 21:33:55 | Dessimat0r | i am pleased :D |
| 21:34:23 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: Excellent; check and make sure the ipks didn't screw up the libs. I noticed in one version that the lib sym linked were followed, making the ipk much bigger than it had to bie. |
| 21:34:39 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: Install it? |
| 21:34:59 | Dessimat0r | it didnt work, it wouldnt execute |
| 21:35:00 | Dessimat0r | :/ |
| 21:35:10 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: where did you install it from? |
| 21:35:19 | Dessimat0r | it was a snapshot build |
| 21:35:24 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 21:35:36 | Dessimat0r | where should i get it from instead> |
| 21:35:37 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: They all are at this point, I think. |
| 21:35:40 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:35:45 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: Don't know. |
| 21:35:45 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:35:51 | | bookmark_starter 0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=335 |
| 21:35:52 | | Konqueror/Embedded >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=39 |
| 21:35:52 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for konqueror |
| 21:35:54 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:35:56 | Dessimat0r | thanks |
| 21:35:58 | numatrix | Sure. |
| 21:36:11 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22825.png |
| 21:36:13 | Dessimat0r | to get HancomWord and Sheet installed, make sure you link it to root |
| 21:36:15 | Dessimat0r | that is all |
| 21:36:20 | anseror | i'd really like to get ibot to also search zfi. |
| 21:36:29 | numatrix | Dessimat0r: you have to do that to just about any app you install anywhere nonroot. :-0 |
| 21:36:42 | numatrix | anseror: Talk to darienm; he did the zsi hack. |
| 21:36:43 | nadav | scanline: looks sweet :P |
| 21:37:02 | Dessimat0r | yeah, but I'm logged in as root on OZ ;) |
| 21:37:06 | Dessimat0r | constantly |
| 21:37:11 | Dessimat0r | i dont care about security, lol |
| 21:37:46 | BZFlag | anselor: huh? it does search zfi. what are you looking for? |
| 21:38:10 | | anseror: excuse me? |
| 21:38:10 | anseror | ibot search zfi for konqueror |
| 21:38:30 | kergoth | BZFlag: it search zsi, not zfi |
| 21:38:32 | BZFlag | ah. zfi. |
| 21:38:46 | | well, zfi is the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ or updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system |
| 21:38:46 | numatrix | ibot: zfi |
| 21:40:07 | BZFlag | patches welcome. http://oss.lineo.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb/infobot/extras/zsi.pl?rev=1.9&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
| 21:40:28 | BZFlag | anseror: check ibot out of cvs and patch it. |
| 21:41:01 | BZFlag | http://oss.lineo.com/cvs.html http://oss.lineo.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb/infobot/ |
| 21:41:01 | BZFlag | send me the patch. |
| 21:41:19 | anseror | hehe, ok |
| 21:41:59 | BZFlag | though I'm working on moving to blootbot instead of base infobot at some point. |
| 21:42:17 | BZFlag | the changes should port over fairly easily. |
| 21:43:44 | anseror | alright,thanks for the info. |
| 21:44:28 | numatrix | BZFlag: would you mind a seperate zfi package or would you prefer it were integrated into the current one? |
| 21:45:38 | anseror | doing a separate zfi one would be uber easy. just change a couple url's and filenames... |
| 21:46:23 | BZFlag | numatrix: don't care either way. I do want the syntax the same though. ie: search zfi for |
| 21:46:32 | Dessimat0r | on http://devel-home.kde.org/~hausmann/snapshots/ is only the source of konqurer |
| 21:47:14 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:47:17 | numatrix | BZFlag: yeah, I'm figuring I'll just copy the exact same module and change the references to ZFI where appropriate and anselor can write up the zfibot.php quite easily. |
| 21:47:17 | Dessimat0r | i've got it |
| 21:47:18 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:47:52 | darienm | hello anselor |
| 21:47:56 | Dessimat0r | get the latest here - http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/konqueror_snapshot_20020311_arm.ipk |
| 21:48:00 | anseror | hello darienm |
| 21:48:20 | anseror | Dessimat0r: http://zfi.zaurii.com/index.phtml?p=d&d=99 |
| 21:48:44 | darienm | anselor: it would be trivial to have ibot search zfi.. as long as you produce some custom output web pages like zsi does |
| 21:49:01 | anseror | darienm: yeah, i know |
| 21:49:01 | numatrix | darienm: Yeah, I'm copying your zsi module right now. :-) |
| 21:49:25 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25406.png <-- some glitches still, but nifty |
| 21:49:28 | anseror | darienm: i'm curious though, why does zsibot.php produce 2 blank lines? |
| 21:49:43 | BZFlag | I'd actually prefer if ibot used the same interface that users do. that way we're more sure it will continue to work. |
| 21:50:03 | darienm | anselor: 2 blank lines? where? |
| 21:50:20 | anseror | zsibot.php starts with t2 blank lines followed by output |
| 21:50:31 | BZFlag | I'd suggest putting some <!-- comments --> in the html and having ibot regex for those. |
| 21:50:43 | Ibz | anyone here used p2z? |
| 21:50:47 | numatrix | BZFlag: Yeah, but it would be a ton more work to parse output currently. Yeah; I was thinking about that. Adding something like that would help. |
| 21:50:56 | nishi | anyone here with a clue about an ipkg error : "invalid magic" ? |
| 21:51:10 | darienm | anselor: I don't know. killefiz wrote that. I just parse it. |
| 21:51:13 | anseror | it would be a lot faster to parse a custom file, less data to transfer. |
| 21:51:38 | anseror | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/zsibot.php?query=konqueror <-- 2 blanks lines then 2 lines of output. |
| 21:51:56 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.7307.png |
| 21:51:57 | darienm | BZFlag: my first iteration of 'search zsi' parsed the standard page output -- it worked fine, but was clumsy. |
| 21:52:18 | anseror | i'm using zsibot.php to crosslink the zfi database with zsi - i hope that doesn't change.. |
| 21:52:29 | BZFlag | darienm: adding html comments that ibot can look for would make it easier. |
| 21:53:09 | darienm | BZFlag: Easier in what sense, actually? Ibot doesn't actually perform the search, it just reads the results. Currently its a pipe-separated list, one record per line. Easier than that? |
| 21:53:41 | anseror | i originally had zfi parse the standard page from zsi, but it took many times longer to do that because of the amount of data being transferred. |
| 21:53:58 | anseror | but then zfi was checking like 500 apps at a time |
| 21:54:27 | BZFlag | darienm: easier to parse the html if it had comments. not easier that the zsibot output. |
| 21:54:37 | numatrix | anseror: You write the phps? quick package hack is done. |
| 21:55:09 | anseror | numatrix: appname|url|description ? |
| 21:55:15 | BZFlag | the slashdot module uses the xml output. that might be a nice way to go. http://www.slashdot.org/slashdot.xml |
| 21:55:54 | numatrix | This is similar, just more of a hack. |
| 21:56:10 | numatrix | anseror: Yeah. And if query is blank, return the 5 most recent. |
| 21:56:11 | darienm | BZFlag: Sure, convince killefiz to write XML from ZSI and I'd have no problem parsing it. Problem was getting the data from the _source_ in a consistent manner, not writing the interface. |
| 21:56:13 | BZFlag | likes to avoid "more of a hack" implementations. |
| 21:56:29 | numatrix | darienm: Actually, ZSI is getting a complete rewrite right now anyway. |
| 21:56:53 | Ibz | hmmn, p2z looks for Config.pm perl module which isn't on my Z...anyone know where I can get it? |
| 21:57:00 | darienm | numatrix: Yes, but what advantage does the XML have for _this_ purpose? |
| 21:57:26 | BZFlag | there are other apps that read the slashdor xml format. those tools could be used for zfi/zsi if they put out xml instead. |
| 21:57:37 | numatrix | darienm: Well, it satisfies Tim's need for tidyness. Other than that, I think it's a pretty similar solution; it still has a seperate method of data output. |
| 21:58:00 | numatrix | Yeah, there is that too. <sigh> Everybody loves xml... |
| 22:00:08 | anseror | is there a max number of outputs from a search? |
| 22:00:29 | numatrix | anseror: That's done on ibot's side. |
| 22:00:51 | numatrix | anseror: He limits the results and sends them to a link that will generate it on the server if there are more than.. umm, 3 I think. |
| 22:01:04 | scanline | is away: food! |
| 22:01:13 | anseror | i see, ok |
| 22:02:36 | numatrix | BZFlag: I've got the zfi.pl file if you want to test it. As soon as anselor finishes up, at least. I always take the easy jobs. ;-) |
| 22:03:44 | BZFlag | numatrix: you tested it with a local ibot? |
| 22:04:12 | BZFlag | limits to 3 in a channel, 5 in a private window. |
| 22:04:34 | numatrix | BZFlag: I don't have a local ibot. However, all I changed compared to darienm's file was pretty much: s/zsi/zfi/g, the relevant http:// , and the comments. |
| 22:05:14 | BZFlag | you could check ibot out of cvs and try it. ;-) ah well. email it to me and I'll test it sometime. Tim@Rikers.org |
| 22:06:42 | Twiun | takes a breather... |
| 22:06:57 | Twiun | pfew, finally runs without exceptions ;-) |
| 22:07:33 | Twiun | now to link it to the fb device and add some serious amounts of glue code... |
| 22:08:53 | anseror | ok, done |
| 22:09:13 | anseror | http://zfi.zaurii.com/zfibot.php?query=konqueror |
| 22:10:13 | numatrix | anseror: You have to generate fully qualified http links. |
| 22:10:45 | anseror | hmm |
| 22:12:37 | anseror | ok, fixed that, misspelled a variable. |
| 22:13:16 | numatrix | yup; looks good. You strip pipes from the input just out if curiosity? |
| 22:13:55 | Twiun | goes back to hacking... |
| 22:15:20 | anseror | numatrix: what? |
| 22:15:33 | anseror | oh |
| 22:15:34 | anseror | hmm |
| 22:15:41 | anseror | should do that |
| 22:15:44 | numatrix | :-) |
| 22:18:51 | numatrix | Argh; ok, slor, screw my buildroot, I'm heading over there now so we can try the flash real quick before my wife's test is over. |
| 22:19:00 | numatrix | later all |
| 22:19:04 | anseror | ok, hurry up. |
| 22:19:23 | numatrix | you heading out? |
| 22:19:28 | numatrix | is back (gone 07:03:01) |
| 22:19:45 | anseror | yeah, presentation soon. |
| 22:20:07 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 22:20:21 | | i think zfi is the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ or updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system |
| 22:20:21 | anseror | ibot zfi |
| 22:23:59 | Nighthawk98TJ | wee, ma Z comes tomorraaaa! |
| 22:24:14 | Sniper | tomorow? |
| 22:24:20 | Nighthawk98TJ | yes, tomorrow |
| 22:24:28 | Sniper | where did ya buy it? |
| 22:24:32 | Nighthawk98TJ | buy.com |
| 22:24:39 | Sniper | how much? |
| 22:24:52 | Nighthawk98TJ | 349+tax+802.11b card |
| 22:24:53 | Sniper | thanks for supporting me |
| 22:25:05 | Sniper | 349 includes 802.11 card? |
| 22:25:16 | Nighthawk98TJ | no |
| 22:25:19 | Nighthawk98TJ | PLUS that stuff |
| 22:25:26 | Sniper | oh ok |
| 22:25:30 | Sniper | cool! |
| 22:26:00 | kergoth`out | bbl |
| 22:26:00 | Sniper | night: why did you buy one? for work? |
| 22:26:01 | Nighthawk98TJ | gonna be shweet |
| 22:26:21 | Nighthawk98TJ | because of all the stuff it does that my Palm IIIc doesnt do |
| 22:26:30 | Sniper | so for personal stuf |
| 22:26:40 | Nighthawk98TJ | i use it for personal and biz |
| 22:26:44 | Nighthawk98TJ | mainly personal tho |
| 22:26:47 | nadav | heh |
| 22:26:50 | nadav | you're gonna love it :P |
| 22:26:53 | Sniper | i see.. how did u hear about it? |
| 22:26:54 | Nighthawk98TJ | i know! :) |
| 22:27:03 | nadav | i can't leave my 5000D alone for a second :D |
| 22:27:05 | Nighthawk98TJ | Sniper: a friend from #redhat |
| 22:27:17 | Nighthawk98TJ | nadav: hehe, well, that could be an illness :) |
| 22:27:20 | Sniper | aww k00l - those redhat guys are promoting.. heheh |
| 22:27:32 | Sniper | does ur friend work at redhat? |
| 22:27:33 | nadav | Nighthawk98TJ: well, not seriously |
| 22:27:36 | nadav | but it's sweet :P |
| 22:27:44 | Nighthawk98TJ | Sniper: no, i dont think so |
| 22:27:52 | Nighthawk98TJ | nadav: hehehe :) |
| 22:28:05 | Sniper | i just signed on #redhat.. i should promote them to buy one |
| 22:28:14 | Nighthawk98TJ | heh |
| 22:28:19 | Nighthawk98TJ | you just a user, Sniper |
| 22:28:20 | Nighthawk98TJ | ? |
| 22:28:37 | AlexPGP | 'lo, all. |
| 22:28:39 | nadav | Nighthawk98TJ: whois him |
| 22:28:42 | Sniper | well kinda.. i use it.. ionce in awhie |
| 22:28:52 | AlexPGP | Any reason why my Z should suddenly stop recognizing SD and CF cards? |
| 22:28:54 | Nighthawk98TJ | whois Sniper |
| 22:28:59 | nadav | Nighthawk98TJ: /whois |
| 22:29:01 | nadav | :P |
| 22:29:13 | Sniper | Sniper=me |
| 22:29:15 | | i think sniper is NOONE's slave |
| 22:29:15 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 22:29:16 | Nighthawk98TJ | ya, i know, typo :) |
| 22:29:36 | Nighthawk98TJ | hehe, anyway |
| 22:29:43 | Nighthawk98TJ | looking forward to getting mine |
| 22:29:45 | Cloudchaser | the z's have gone down over 100.00 since i bought mine |
| 22:29:50 | Cloudchaser | i learned a valuable lesson |
| 22:29:54 | Sniper | i hope you like it - make sure you tell all your friends to buy one! |
| 22:30:02 | Nighthawk98TJ | lol |
| 22:30:05 | Cloudchaser | it doesn't pay to support early |
| 22:30:15 | Sniper | TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS, DAMMIT |
| 22:30:19 | Nighthawk98TJ | Cloudchaser: ya, that's universal in electronics :) |
| 22:30:32 | Nighthawk98TJ | Sniper: mind if i ask why you care if ppl buy them or not? |
| 22:30:34 | Sniper | and then tell your company to issue one to everyone |
| 22:30:43 | Sniper | because i care about keeping my job |
| 22:30:50 | Cloudchaser | i was just so excited that sharp was doing a linux handheld |
| 22:30:56 | Nighthawk98TJ | Sniper: work for Sharp? |
| 22:31:12 | Sniper | Sniper is ~Sniper@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com (sniper) |
| 22:31:12 | ljp- | ya snipers their janitor |
| 22:31:22 | Sniper | sr. janitor.. ahem! |
| 22:31:29 | Nighthawk98TJ | ahh |
| 22:31:34 | ljp- | hehe |
| 22:32:44 | Cloudchaser | poor sniper |
| 22:32:44 | AlexPGP | Might anyone shed some light on why my Z should suddenly stop recognizing SD and CF cards? |
| 22:32:48 | Cloudchaser | he gits it from all sides |
| 22:32:57 | Sniper | alex: what ROM? |
| 22:33:02 | Cloudchaser | my friend bought one yesterday sniper |
| 22:33:15 | Cloudchaser | he's been jealous since i got mine in june ;) |
| 22:33:19 | Nighthawk98TJ | Anyone have some good pics of their Z? finding good hires pics is proving difficult |
| 22:33:20 | Sniper | Cloudchaser: COOL!!! for development, or personal? |
| 22:33:25 | Cloudchaser | personal |
| 22:33:31 | Sniper | ahh cool |
| 22:33:45 | AlexPGP | Sniper: ROM 2.12 |
| 22:33:46 | Sniper | but expect newer models coming.. :-( |
| 22:33:51 | AlexPGP | Off the shelf item. |
| 22:33:54 | Sniper | upgrade to 2.37/2.38 |
| 22:33:59 | Nighthawk98TJ | ya, i saw info on them today |
| 22:33:59 | scanline | is back (gone 00:32:55) |
| 22:34:03 | | AlexPGP: i'm not following you... |
| 22:34:03 | AlexPGP | ibot upgrade |
| 22:34:13 | AlexPGP | Sniper: How do I do that? |
| 22:34:16 | Cloudchaser | Sniper: the one i saw the link for though...is for japan ;( |
| 22:35:12 | Cloudchaser | hey sniper, i have a question for you |
| 22:35:13 | nishi | hello folks |
| 22:35:18 | Sniper | hold phone |
| 22:35:35 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 22:35:35 | nishi | any idea abt the ipkg "invalid magic" error I am getting / |
| 22:35:55 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 01:40:54) |
| 22:36:47 | Cloudchaser | would you, as someone who works for sharp, maybe contact Mapopolis...they say they are going to port to z but no eta, maybe you could nudge them along or something? assure them its worth it, tell them some numbers |
| 22:37:11 | Nighthawk98TJ | ya, mapopolis would rock on the Z! |
| 22:37:23 | Cloudchaser | yeah i saw it on an ipaq |
| 22:37:32 | Cloudchaser | and was soooo jealous |
| 22:37:33 | Cloudchaser | i get lost all the time! :) |
| 22:37:44 | nishi | what is mapopolis ? something like Mapquest ? |
| 22:37:46 | Cloudchaser | i could use that, it maps routes even without gps, and works with gps too |
| 22:37:52 | nishi | avantgo ? |
| 22:37:55 | Cloudchaser | its like mapquest without inet connection |
| 22:37:59 | nishi | wow cool |
| 22:38:02 | Cloudchaser | you buy the maps |
| 22:38:06 | nishi | aah |
| 22:38:19 | Cloudchaser | and you can zoom in and out |
| 22:38:24 | Cloudchaser | it works with gps |
| 22:38:26 | nishi | sweet |
| 22:38:53 | nishi | plz plz plz help if you know ... what could be causing an ipkg invalid magic error ? |
| 22:38:58 | Cloudchaser | i don't know |
| 22:39:00 | Cloudchaser | ;( |
| 22:39:09 | Cloudchaser | what ipkg? |
| 22:39:10 | Neo|Work | hey I'd port it but I don't do apps. Mainly because apps == UI == hell :) |
| 22:39:21 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah i understand neo |
| 22:39:30 | Cloudchaser | but they say they are going to do it |
| 22:39:35 | Neo|Work | I'd like to have the app too. :) |
| 22:39:44 | Cloudchaser | i thought maybe someone from sharp might lend some weight to the plea |
| 22:39:45 | Neo|Work | but I don't know if I'd use it enough to warrant me paying for it |
| 22:39:52 | Cloudchaser | i would |
| 22:39:58 | Neo|Work | unfortunately the only weight there is is numbers |
| 22:40:01 | nitup | nishi corrupt ipk? |
| 22:40:11 | nishi | cloudchaser : I am trying to install opie-irdaapplet.ipk to CF and it comes back with a magic error |
| 22:40:17 | AlexPGP | Sniper: I'm looking at the Sharp FlashROM update page... am I on the right track? |
| 22:40:23 | nishi | something like not a completely downloaded file ? |
| 22:40:24 | Neo|Work | there's a reason I do porting and people don't do it themselves, and it's not difficulty of the port or bad hardware, it's lack of users |
| 22:40:28 | nishi | or md5 sum error ? |
| 22:40:30 | Cloudchaser | try #openzaurus? |
| 22:40:44 | nishi | asked but no responses |
| 22:40:52 | Cloudchaser | oh...i wonder if they'd be amenable to that neo |
| 22:41:02 | Cloudchaser | maybe if not you, someone else might be able to |
| 22:41:34 | Nighthawk98TJ | im gonna need to grab tkcJabber i guess... |
| 22:42:06 | Cloudchaser | maps is one of the few things not available for the zaurus that i'd like |
| 22:42:20 | Nighthawk98TJ | avantgo would be nice too |
| 22:42:24 | Cloudchaser | specially since avantgo's mapquest wont' work |
| 22:42:52 | Cloudchaser | we need a rally of 10,000 z owners to go to all the software houses! |
| 22:42:57 | treke|wherever | avantgo would be nice. period |
| 22:42:58 | Cloudchaser | WE WANT APPS |
| 22:43:00 | Nighthawk98TJ | hehe |
| 22:43:16 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 22:43:24 | treke|wherever | wonders what ever became of the old avantgo project for familiar |
| 22:44:27 | Neo|Work | heck, I wish 10000 people bought at least one product from me. :) |
| 22:44:50 | Neo|Work | heck, counting customers in thousands would be cool |
| 22:45:05 | Neo|Work | I'm guessing only tkc is in that area now though |
| 22:45:31 | Cloudchaser | i will buy from you neo once i can get past 1 screen ;) |
| 22:45:36 | nadav | heh |
| 22:45:47 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 22:45:55 | ljp- | ha. .I doubt tkc has thousand of customers |
| 22:46:46 | AlexPGP | Anyone know where I can find out how to upgrade my ROM to 2.37/2.38? I'm looking at the Sharp download page, and all of the packages there appear to be intended for the SL-5000. |
| 22:46:55 | nadav | AlexPGP: look at myzaurus.com |
| 22:47:00 | AlexPGP | thanks |
| 22:47:03 | nadav | not the developer site |
| 22:47:38 | Neo|Work | ljp-: I don't |
| 22:47:43 | Sniper | ok back |
| 22:47:50 | Sniper | www.myzaurus.com |
| 22:47:58 | Neo|Work | ljp-: as a matter of fact, I know they do because they have a lot of products outselling my bestseller |
| 22:48:14 | Sniper | do you have a contact for someone at mapoplis? |
| 22:48:26 | ljp- | look at th edownloads numbers |
| 22:48:33 | ljp- | they are nowhere near 1000 |
| 22:48:45 | Sniper | i was talking with avantgo - they were going to do it before they layed off 40% |
| 22:49:11 | Xentac | is back (gone 09:26:40) |
| 22:49:12 | Neo|Work | I must say I'm amazed how well Knights is selling though |
| 22:49:19 | ljp- | me also |
| 22:49:20 | Sniper | chess is really big! |
| 22:49:29 | ljp- | not bad for gpl |
| 22:49:38 | nitup | avantgo has gone downhill anyhow, I stoped using it on my visor delux ages ago |
| 22:49:42 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: why not |
| 22:49:45 | Sniper | gotta find that magic app |
| 22:49:52 | Twiun | Neo|Work: it also looks like it's showcased on the sharp UK flash info page |
| 22:49:56 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: linux on pda is more than just geeks like on desktop ,) |
| 22:50:02 | ljp- | I still use my avantgo pen/stylus |
| 22:50:06 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: normal "users" dont compile themself |
| 22:50:07 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 22:51:18 | Pen | has anyone gotten WEP to work with the Z and a linksys wcf11? |
| 22:51:23 | Pen | or WEP work period |
| 22:51:33 | nitup | pen, yup |
| 22:51:39 | Sniper | nice how knights is featued... |
| 22:52:03 | Pen | I know sort of how to do it in qtopia, but not for just console use |
| 22:52:09 | Sniper | ok gnite all |
| 22:52:23 | Pen | what files to edit etc |
| 22:52:57 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: because it might sell better than all my stuff combined? :) |
| 22:53:04 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: .-) |
| 22:53:06 | nitup | pen, i've only used it with the gui running |
| 22:53:07 | Neo|Work | well, actually, probably not but still |
| 22:53:16 | Neo|Work | I wonder how that top list is made |
| 22:53:21 | Neo|Work | it's obviously a velocity based list |
| 22:53:40 | Harlekin | ask sniper |
| 22:54:05 | Pen | I don't want to screw myself into gui only |
| 22:54:10 | Pen | I *hate* that |
| 22:54:23 | Neo|Work | btw, featuring Strategic Assault on myzaurus.com didn't seem to change sales noticeable |
| 22:54:41 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: not sure if people look much at that page at all |
| 22:55:06 | deevee | i do! |
| 22:55:33 | Neo|Work | I do of course sell stuff via paypal so in reality my sales are higher |
| 22:55:42 | treke|wherever | the nice thing about knights is it's well paced for a pda |
| 22:55:49 | Neo|Work | I wonder if it would be benefitial to move all orders to Handango for that reason |
| 22:55:52 | treke|wherever | you can easily switch out of it |
| 22:55:57 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: and how many people go over http://eongames.com/order.html |
| 22:56:02 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: instead of myzaurus |
| 22:56:35 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: about 1/3 of the TOTAL orders is from my site |
| 22:56:43 | Neo|Work | rather than myzaurus/handango |
| 22:56:59 | Harlekin | only 1/3 |
| 22:57:00 | Neo|Work | that 1/3 extra on handango might be useful for standings though |
| 22:57:07 | Harlekin | since on zsi you point tot hat page |
| 22:57:13 | Neo|Work | but thein again, minimum charge by handango is 15%... |
| 22:57:14 | Harlekin | to that |
| 22:57:26 | Neo|Work | I figure most people buy via myzaurus and/or handango |
| 22:57:38 | Neo|Work | people don't find my site or zsi etc |
| 22:57:50 | deevee | i think im gona buy Strategic Assault |
| 22:58:02 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 22:58:24 | Neo|Work | it's definitely worth the low cost! |
| 22:58:49 | Neo|Work | interestingly though, the lower cost doesn't noticeable change the total revenue |
| 22:59:06 | ljp- | think I'll buy that cool app notesapplet... ;) |
| 22:59:10 | Neo|Work | might be an interesting fact. perhaps it's a bit too low for optimal sales |
| 23:00:08 | deevee | i need to buy an sd card first |
| 23:00:12 | deevee | and a case |
| 23:00:14 | deevee | hmm |
| 23:00:19 | Neo|Work | ljp-: you made that did you not? :) |
| 23:00:26 | ljp- | doh |
| 23:00:37 | Neo|Work | just looked. |
| 23:01:09 | Cloudchaser | sniper: only the person who emailed me back, but i have no idea if that was the *right* person to contact |
| 23:02:43 | Pen | anyone know how to set up WEP for console mode? |
| 23:03:05 | Neo|Work | now this is a likely best seller: spanish <-> english dictionary for the slim cost off $24.95! |
| 23:03:52 | Neo|Work | I should fix up edict, package a local server and add some app to add new dictionaries |
| 23:04:47 | Neo|Work | I've noticed most of the "commercial" products for the Zaurus is java (ports) |
| 23:05:34 | Neo|Work | not to mention all these pocket books |
| 23:05:58 | TheMasterMind1 | Neo|Work: there's a nice gpl dictionary thing |
| 23:06:03 | TheMasterMind1 | with modules for almost all the languages |
| 23:06:12 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll add that to oz eventually |
| 23:07:09 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1: uh, I know. |
| 23:07:17 | ljp | mandrake has a bad habit of forgetting to find fonts and crashing X |
| 23:07:19 | Neo|Work | I wrote edict which uses the DICT protocol to talk to a server |
| 23:07:30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:07:31 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:07:31 | Neo|Work | I was going to package up the server and dictionaries to do local lookup |
| 23:07:32 | nitup | why does handango list some apps as commercial when they are gpl? |
| 23:07:38 | Neo|Work | and I know there are others |
| 23:07:39 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 23:07:53 | Neo|Work | nitup: because to get the GPL you need to go to the site and get it yourself |
| 23:08:00 | Neo|Work | commercial == you buy and get a binary and there is no trial version |
| 23:08:07 | Neo|Work | or there might be a trial version |
| 23:08:18 | ljp | because there's no other way to charge $ for gpl |
| 23:08:20 | Neo|Work | more correct: the purchased download doesn't require an unlock key |
| 23:08:25 | ljp | I mean |
| 23:08:41 | ljp | if you say your app is gpl, there's no options to charge for it |
| 23:09:05 | nitup | well, it's *not* commercial... but there is no problem for charging for it according to the gpl |
| 23:09:30 | nitup | it's not quite right to list gpl apps as commercial, in my book |
| 23:09:35 | ljp | well.. thats a "handango" thing |
| 23:10:19 | scanline | How about selling binaries but giving away source code for free? |
| 23:10:35 | levi | If you're charging money for it, it is commercial. |
| 23:10:59 | levi | Both commercial and GPL |
| 23:11:12 | scanline | I think the word you're looking for is "proprietary" |
| 23:11:25 | scanline | GPL apps can be commercial, proprietary apps are always commercial |
| 23:11:44 | ljp | and handango only lets you choose 'plg' or 'commercial', if its 'gpl' they wont have an option for price |
| 23:11:57 | ljp | geerrrr gpl, not plg |
| 23:13:36 | ljp | I made my cat bite her own foot |
| 23:14:27 | Neo|Work | Hrm, I think that perhaps I should charge for a tetris game after all. :) |
| 23:14:30 | Neo|Work | like not a whole lot but still |
| 23:15:13 | ljp | $50 |
| 23:15:27 | scanline | Neo|Work: do you make much money selling games? |
| 23:15:29 | ljp | photoshop is $600 |
| 23:16:21 | ljp | he makes more than I do selling my body |
| 23:16:32 | Neo|Work | scanline: not really no. If I got all the cash myself it'd be decent but nothing I could live on |
| 23:16:33 | scanline | haha |
| 23:16:59 | ljp | handango..- the more you sell the more % they make |
| 23:16:59 | Neo|Work | although I do admit making money is nice, porting is not mainly about cash |
| 23:17:16 | Neo|Work | ljp: depends on the way stuff are sold and I'm nowhere near the limits |
| 23:17:32 | scanline | nods |
| 23:17:38 | Neo|Work | but I certainly don't like handango :-) |
| 23:18:05 | Neo|Work | I have had evil conspiracy ideas of just using handango for demos while doing all sales from my site. :P |
| 23:18:14 | Neo|Work | but that'd probably unfortunately cut down on sales noticeable |
| 23:18:22 | Neo|Work | plys handango might be upset about it |
| 23:20:09 | Zxcvb | Neo|Laptop: what are you sellling? |
| 23:20:15 | Neo|Work | I definitely would have a better potential income if I made my own game and had it ported to PocketPC and sold on both |
| 23:20:24 | Neo|Work | Zxcvb: check http://eongames.com/ |
| 23:20:37 | Neo|Work | the premier commecial game provider for the Zaurus I'd say |
| 23:20:46 | Neo|Work | commercial _high_quality_ :-) |
| 23:21:01 | Zxcvb | Neo|Laptop: can't access it right now, downloading the latest rom |
| 23:21:13 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: but the apps form that company have keygrab problmes ,.-) |
| 23:21:20 | ljp | eongames: the tkc of zaurus games ??? |
| 23:21:23 | Zxcvb | Neo|Laptop: just got it less than an hour ago |
| 23:21:29 | Harlekin | since the author does like to not really use qt |
| 23:21:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:21:43 | Zxcvb | ljp: hopefully with better support |
| 23:21:45 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: IF is a must |
| 23:21:52 | ljp | heheh |
| 23:22:10 | Zxcvb | Harlekin: you mean z-machine? |
| 23:22:29 | Zxcvb | Harlekin: how many of the emulators for java on the zophar.net page will work with the zaurus java? |
| 23:22:32 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: no |
| 23:22:39 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: interstellar flame |
| 23:22:47 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: no idea |
| 23:22:51 | Harlekin | i dont have a Z |
| 23:23:15 | Zxcvb | i thought you meant interactive fiction |
| 23:23:40 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: are you saying my games have keygrab issues? |
| 23:23:54 | Zxcvb | getting 4.8k on the rom now, I was getting over 8k (on a v.90 dialup) |
| 23:24:14 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: that had |
| 23:24:20 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: sandman told me all about it |
| 23:24:21 | ljp_opieirc | my cat just discovered th emouse for the first time |
| 23:24:21 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:24:37 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: huh? In either case, they don't |
| 23:24:51 | Twiun | Zxcvb: if the emus are done in Java 1.1, they have a good chance of working - your problems will most likely be screen size, use of floats (performance problems), and god knows what else ;-) |
| 23:24:59 | Neo|Work | I've fixed any issues I had, and the issues I had was due to bugs in qtopia/opie rather than my fault |
| 23:25:02 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=576 |
| 23:25:16 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: sandman thinks differnt |
| 23:25:25 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: thats IF |
| 23:25:29 | Neo|Work | who is sandman and why hasn't sandman told me exactly? |
| 23:25:44 | TheMasterMind1 | IF is pretty tempting |
| 23:25:44 | ljp_opieirc | did you notice the very _first_ time you log on with opieirc, you get knowcked off |
| 23:25:46 | TheMasterMind1 | for 6.99 |
| 23:25:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:25:49 | Twiun | Harlekin: are you on the zaurus-java list? |
| 23:25:53 | Neo|Work | no matter what, the newest versions of all apps correctly ungrab the keyboard on Sharp rom and OpenZaurus with OPIE |
| 23:25:53 | Harlekin | no |
| 23:25:56 | Harlekin | Twiun: why |
| 23:26:01 | Neo|Work | I don't know what sandman runs but I bet it's OPIE |
| 23:26:03 | Harlekin | Twiun: without zaurus |
| 23:26:14 | Twiun | Harlekin: Ahhhh, good point... |
| 23:26:18 | Neo|Work | and if so, it pretty damn well work because I do it all right including workaround |
| 23:26:19 | Harlekin | Twiun: why |
| 23:26:38 | ljp_opieirc | hates that 'workaround' |
| 23:27:12 | Twiun | Harlekin: I was going to ask your opinion on my recent post... |
| 23:27:27 | Zxcvb | Twiun: how do you install java software? |
| 23:27:29 | Twiun | Harlekin: I'm working on a framebuffer AWT implementation |
| 23:27:39 | TheMasterMind1 | wants opengl on his Z |
| 23:27:44 | Harlekin | Twiun: ? what for? |
| 23:28:09 | Twiun | Zxcvb: unless it comes as an ipk, it won't be plain sailing ;-) |
| 23:28:10 | ljp | wants directX for the Z |
| 23:28:47 | Twiun | Harlekin: because the QtAWT binding on the Z (mostly Jeode) suffers from porr performance |
| 23:28:52 | Twiun | poor even |
| 23:28:59 | Neo|Work | porr == swedish for porn |
| 23:29:01 | Zxcvb | ljp: impossible |
| 23:29:05 | Harlekin | Twiun: so make better bindings .-) |
| 23:29:13 | Zxcvb | ljp: you would have to emulate the x86 |
| 23:29:18 | ljp | nothings impossible |
| 23:29:24 | Harlekin | Twiun: doesntr jeode display awt directly anyway? |
| 23:29:30 | Neo|Work | wonder what porn performance mean. it works great for a while but then loses its ... uhm... ability to run? |
| 23:29:31 | Zxcvb | ljp: you could have a directx like API |
| 23:29:39 | Twiun | Harlekin: Nope... it uses TT's qtawt |
| 23:29:46 | Zxcvb | ljp: but actual directx would require CPU emulation |
| 23:30:04 | ljp | is joking about dircectx |
| 23:30:04 | Harlekin | Twiun: hmm, just make sure the "window" itself is qt managed |
| 23:30:07 | Twiun | Harlekin: I did some direct-fb tests, I get better performance in pure Java than using Jeode's native code |
| 23:30:13 | Harlekin | Twiun: except form that a good idea |
| 23:30:21 | Neo|Work | I've been thinking about working on a mostly-compatible gapi interface I can use |
| 23:30:30 | ljp | I'd really rather have ASIO for Z |
| 23:30:49 | Zxcvb | how about modifying microwindows? |
| 23:30:53 | Harlekin | needs to install sml to his ipaq |
| 23:31:05 | Cloudchaser | hehe my little boy got his silly putty stuck in his blanket, ground in like bubble gum |
| 23:31:09 | Zxcvb | it has some of the wince graphics APIs |
| 23:31:09 | Zxcvb | as well as an X like API |
| 23:31:15 | ljp | too bad the Z doesnt use half the audio chip it could |
| 23:31:26 | Twiun | Harlekin: there's also another reason of course... this would allow headless operation on pre Java1.4 VMs |
| 23:31:32 | Harlekin | ljp: ask lineo to get a better driver out |
| 23:31:47 | ljp_opieirc | hehe |
| 23:31:50 | scanline | Harlekin: kergoth was working on a better driver wasn't he? |
| 23:31:57 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:32:00 | Harlekin | isnt that lineos job? |
| 23:32:07 | Harlekin | they get payed for that |
| 23:32:11 | ljp_opieirc | cloud: your son is chewing silly putty? |
| 23:32:16 | Harlekin | or die sharp loosen the contract |
| 23:32:18 | scanline | heh, just like it's Trolltech's job to make Qt not suck? ;) |
| 23:32:28 | scanline | Harlekin: OZ and Opie are in similar roles |
| 23:32:36 | Twiun | cheers! |
| 23:32:42 | Harlekin | scanline: not really |
| 23:32:53 | Twiun | My first ragged line using the my awt ;-) |
| 23:32:54 | Harlekin | scanline: opie was there before the Z |
| 23:33:13 | Zxcvb | how do you install an ipk through CF? |
| 23:33:13 | Harlekin | Twiun: also something else then jeode would be nice |
| 23:33:18 | Harlekin | Twiun: something free |
| 23:33:22 | Zxcvb | do you just stick it in the root directory? |
| 23:33:25 | Harlekin | but as small as jeode, and as fast |
| 23:33:26 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 23:33:27 | ljp | soooo... wo's going to port .NET to the Z ;) |
| 23:33:39 | ljp | who even |
| 23:33:43 | Twiun | Harlekin: yep... I'm thinking Sun's J2ME or Kaffe |
| 23:33:44 | scanline | Harlekin: I'm not talking about the Z. OZ is an improved version of the Z rom, something that theoretically Sharp should be doing, just like Opie is an improved version of Qtopia, which theoretically Trolltech should be doing |
| 23:33:47 | Harlekin | ljp: TT |
| 23:33:54 | Harlekin | no |
| 23:34:01 | Harlekin | its not only improved |
| 23:34:04 | Harlekin | its a differnt direction |
| 23:34:06 | Harlekin | power user |
| 23:34:10 | Twiun | Harlekin: vertical market position could do away with Qtopia/X and just have a VM on there |
| 23:34:10 | scanline | I know |
| 23:34:12 | Harlekin | not nromal user |
| 23:34:13 | Pen | how unsecure is 802.11 w/o WEP? |
| 23:34:16 | scanline | Harlekin: that's just like OZ really |
| 23:34:30 | Pen | not that I leave near any techy's but out of curiosity |
| 23:34:43 | Harlekin | Twiun: hmm |
| 23:34:52 | Harlekin | Twiun: on the other hand |
| 23:34:56 | Twiun | Harlekin: think of the memory freed... |
| 23:35:02 | Zxcvb | Pen: very |
| 23:35:04 | Harlekin | java might notbe the right thing for pdas |
| 23:35:11 | Zxcvb | Pen: unless you use encryption for all logins/passwords |
| 23:35:22 | Twiun | Harlekin: granted - I'm doing this to satisfy my own needs ;-) |
| 23:35:35 | Zxcvb | Pen: if you use freeswan or something similar, I recommend disabling WEP for a speed boost |
| 23:35:42 | Pen | I understand but if there's no WEP option for console mode, ya know.. it's not that useful |
| 23:35:45 | Harlekin | Twiun: i do need to do a lot of java stuff for the university |
| 23:35:49 | scanline | sees a patten here... Harlekin argues for Opie everything, Twiun wants Java, scanline wants picogui :) |
| 23:35:59 | Twiun | Harlekin: so it will end up GPL'd or something... |
| 23:36:07 | ljp_opieirc | hmm opieirc displays weirdness |
| 23:36:15 | Harlekin | ljp: hehe |
| 23:36:17 | | Test cancelled. |
| 23:36:17 | ljp_opieirc | ibot: test |
| 23:36:17 | Twiun | Hah... I want Java, because that's what I know and use... |
| 23:36:26 | Twiun | as a user, I couldn't be bothered |
| 23:36:31 | Harlekin | Twiun: i want java |
| 23:36:32 | Harlekin | as addon |
| 23:36:38 | ljp_opieirc | hmm |
| 23:36:42 | Harlekin | since there are some things where it can be usefull |
| 23:36:49 | Harlekin | rmi is pretty nice in java |
| 23:37:06 | Twiun | yeah... (addon to J2ME for rmi is available too) |
| 23:37:10 | Zxcvb | yeah, why couldn't java be an ipk add-on for OZ? |
| 23:37:21 | ljp_opieirc | ya java's good for them web things.. like water reflections |
| 23:37:25 | Twiun | Zxcvb: only java atm is Jeode... that's licensed |
| 23:37:30 | Harlekin | ljp_opieirc: .-) |
| 23:37:42 | Harlekin | Twiun: you can put kaffee on |
| 23:37:45 | Harlekin | if you want |
| 23:37:49 | Harlekin | and have the space |
| 23:37:57 | Twiun | Yeah, but Kaffe is still only X for now |
| 23:38:03 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:38:05 | Harlekin | there are patches |
| 23:38:06 | ljp_opieirc | did they stop kaffe embedded? |
| 23:38:24 | Twiun | the qtawt binding Kaffe uses is qt3 |
| 23:38:31 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 23:38:32 | ljp_opieirc | oh |
| 23:38:34 | Twiun | ljp_opieirc: Transvirtual went bust |
| 23:38:43 | Harlekin | and sharp wont change to that ne next months |
| 23:38:51 | Twiun | yeah |
| 23:38:53 | Harlekin | as it looks |
| 23:39:10 | Harlekin | from the outside |
| 23:40:02 | IBEGONE | is away -> 69, 714, 2112 : Sex, drugs, and Rock and Roll! <- Page [FRIENDS] Log [ON] |
| 23:40:26 | Harlekin | admin |
| 23:40:30 | Harlekin | clear him |
| 23:41:12 | ljp_opieirc | opieirc desnt show that |
| 23:42:52 | IBEGONE | is away -> ...So simple a child could do it? Go find me a child! <- Page [FRIENDS] Log [ON] |
| 23:43:00 | ljp | opieirc doesnt know away messages? |
| 23:43:10 | Harlekin | i hope it ignored them |
| 23:43:17 | ljp | yes |
| 23:43:19 | Harlekin | bad habbit |
| 23:43:30 | Harlekin | people on opn should know better |
| 23:43:54 | nadav | heh |
| 23:44:05 | IBEGONE | is away -> I was talking during sex and my girlfriend hung up <- Page [FRIENDS] Log [ON] |
| 23:44:11 | Twiun | Grrrr |
| 23:44:25 | ljp | Neo|Work: ping |
| 23:44:34 | Neo|Work | ljp: pong |
| 23:44:58 | ljp | are you admin here in #zaurus? |
| 23:45:13 | bob`` | Konqueror keeps starting up by itself after I reboot, where would I be able to disable that? :/ |
| 23:45:36 | ljp | wheres that lilo bot |
| 23:46:20 | nadav | lilo bot? |
| 23:46:38 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:46:40 | ljp | ya.. that lilo bot that kicks prople off ;) |
| 23:46:50 | nadav | ah. |
| 23:47:04 | Harlekin | ljp: he lives in #freenode |
| 23:47:14 | IBEGONE | is back.. gone 3 minutes, and 5 seconds. |
| 23:47:15 | Neo|Work | ljp: I am |
| 23:47:15 | Harlekin | and has quite some fans |
| 23:47:25 | Harlekin | is front |
| 23:47:33 | levi | is away: heading home |
| 23:47:44 | IBEGONE | is away -> "Good morning!" is an opinion, not a greeting <- Page [FRIENDS] Log [ON] |
| 23:47:59 | ljp | quit that |
| 23:48:02 | Harlekin | man, away nick change _and_ public away |
| 23:48:16 | Harlekin | and an anoying away message |
| 23:48:36 | ljp_opieirc | I couldnt see anything here |
| 23:48:50 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:49:03 | ljp_opieirc | ./configure |
| 23:49:08 | ljp_opieirc | whoops |
| 23:49:17 | Neo|Work | something is making my X use a lot of CPU. wonder wtf that is |
| 23:49:19 | ljp_opieirc | heh |
| 23:49:36 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: do you use xchat? |
| 23:49:38 | Dessimat0r | X = Z? |
| 23:49:55 | Harlekin | Dessimat0r: no, X is a differnt letter |
| 23:49:58 | Neo|Work | yes, always. that is not the problem |
| 23:50:07 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:50:10 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: i had xchat racing back teh days i used it |
| 23:50:11 | Dessimat0r | thought it was a mistype |
| 23:50:11 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:50:20 | | X is a generic standard. Maybe you mean Xfree86. |
| 23:50:20 | Harlekin | ibot: X |
| 23:53:51 | | bugger off, floppy sod! |
| 23:53:51 | ljp_opieirc | ibot: yo momma |
| 23:54:01 | Dessimat0r | does anyone know how i can give my zaurus a real internet ip? |
| 23:54:05 | Dessimat0r | instead of a network one |
| 23:54:16 | Dessimat0r | it would be interesting to try as a web server ;) |
| 23:54:29 | ljp_opieirc | dyn dns |
| 23:54:38 | oGMo | Dessimat0r: erm, connect to something that will give a public ip ;) |
| 23:54:48 | ljp_opieirc | make sur eyo ubatten down the hatches first |
| 23:54:53 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:54:56 | deevee | heh |
| 23:54:57 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 23:55:02 | nadav | Dessimat0r: i'd disable logging in as root using ssh first ;) |
| 23:55:05 | oGMo | connect via eth if you have a pool of ip's |
| 23:55:14 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:55:20 | oGMo | or dial up, although that would suck massively for serving |
| 23:55:21 | ljp_opieirc | block ports 4242 and 4243 |
| 23:55:29 | Dessimat0r | i only have my cable ip |
| 23:55:30 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:55:32 | oGMo | port forward |
| 23:55:34 | Dessimat0r | a pool, you say? |
| 23:55:42 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:55:46 | Dessimat0r | how do you port forward? |
| 23:55:52 | oGMo | learn iptables |
| 23:55:53 | oGMo | ;) |
| 23:55:55 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:56:04 | ljp_opieirc | turn the ship hard astern |
| 23:56:08 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 23:56:10 | Dessimat0r | har me mateys |
| 23:56:11 | oGMo | it's very easy, although don't ask me how |
| 23:56:29 | Zxcvb | when installing the Z NDIS driver, windows crashes with a VxD error |
| 23:56:35 | oGMo | aye capt'n, i'm givin' 'er all she's got |
| 23:56:37 | Dessimat0r | the zaurus has finished unfucking itself with a new flash |
| 23:56:38 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:56:44 | Zxcvb | is there a problem, or are the zaurus drivers incompatible with vmware? |
| 23:57:05 | | AlexPGP: i'm not following you... |
| 23:57:05 | AlexPGP | ibot sandisk |
| 23:57:09 | AlexPGP | hmm |
| 23:57:16 | deevee | as soon as i can get the z to work with my linux box my life will be complete |
| 23:57:21 | | oGMo: huh? |
| 23:57:21 | oGMo | ibot: heel! |
| 23:57:38 | | hmmm... faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 23:57:38 | AlexPGP | ibot faq |
| 23:57:48 | oGMo | deevee: it's not that hard, you just patch the kernel and go |
| 23:57:57 | deevee | bah |
| 23:58:00 | oGMo | it worked like the first time for me |
| 23:58:01 | | i guess cramfs is a read-only fs wiwth each page in each file individually compressed or workable over block devices. |
| 23:58:01 | Dessimat0r | ibot: cramfs |
| 23:58:05 | deevee | im not ready to patch my kernel |
| 23:58:19 | oGMo | deevee: patch, patch, patch! |
| 23:58:27 | deevee | im still somewhat newbie |
| 23:58:41 | oGMo | have you compiled your kernel? |
| 23:58:47 | deevee | no |
| 23:58:52 | oGMo | if you can do that, patching is nothing really |
| 23:59:02 | oGMo | deevee: ok, start there, you'll want that skill anyway |
| 23:59:05 | oGMo | it's easy |
| 23:59:08 | deevee | i read the thingy for setting it up on mdk 8.2 |
| 23:59:10 | deevee | it looked easy |
| 23:59:16 | deevee | ill have to try when i get home |
| 23:59:26 | ljp | isnt iptables rather big for the z? |
| 23:59:31 | oGMo | just keep your old one around and accessible ;) |
| 23:59:37 | Dessimat0r | I'll have to get ready for bed |
| 23:59:41 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:59:42 | oGMo | ljp: why would you want that on the Z |
| 23:59:45 | Dessimat0r | it gets late |
| 23:59:56 | Dessimat0r | iptables is in the feed |
