| 00:00:07 | | anseror has neutral karma |
| 00:00:07 | anseror | ibot karma anseror |
| 00:00:07 | Neo|Work | ljp used to be called ljp-- |
| 00:00:20 | anseror | heh |
| 00:00:27 | Neo|Work | so every time anyone said ljp-- the karma was lowered. :) |
| 00:00:37 | | neotron has neutral karma |
| 00:00:37 | Neo|Work | ibot karma neotron |
| 00:00:38 | ljp | ljp++ |
| 00:00:39 | anseror | heheh |
| 00:00:40 | | neo|work has karma of 2 |
| 00:00:40 | Neo|Work | ibot karma neo|work |
| 00:00:49 | anseror | wow, you're special. |
| 00:00:50 | ljp | oh poop.. ibot yelled at me |
| 00:00:59 | anseror | heh |
| 00:01:19 | anseror | so what do you guys think of zfi? |
| 00:01:25 | anseror | any more suggestions? |
| 00:01:38 | ljp | I think it suxors ;) |
| 00:01:40 | Neo|Work | z_f_i? I know if zsi.. |
| 00:01:42 | | i think zfi is the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 00:01:42 | Neo|Work | ibot zfi |
| 00:01:46 | Neo|Work | uhum |
| 00:01:53 | ljp | kidding, dude |
| 00:01:56 | anseror | hmm |
| 00:01:58 | anseror | thaht's not right... |
| 00:02:05 | anseror | i thought ifixed that. |
| 00:02:14 | anseror | zfi.zaurii.com |
| 00:02:29 | Neo|Work | anseror: it's missing http://eongames.com/feed/ |
| 00:02:40 | anseror | ok |
| 00:02:58 | anseror | gimme one sec. |
| 00:03:13 | inomine | how good is wifi capability in linux? |
| 00:03:36 | Neo|Work | good afaik |
| 00:03:41 | Neo|Work | but I never used it |
| 00:04:07 | inomine | just thinking of rigging up an old p150 box as a wifi access point |
| 00:04:38 | anseror | Neo|Work: done |
| 00:04:57 | Neo|Work | coolio |
| 00:05:00 | anseror | was only missing 3 packages. |
| 00:05:06 | sig | sup foo's |
| 00:05:53 | Neo|Work | how does it match stuff with zsi? |
| 00:06:10 | ljp | its better |
| 00:06:21 | Neo|Work | grr. ZZ feed needs to remove my old packages.. |
| 00:06:22 | anseror | right now it does a search on zsi |
| 00:06:25 | ljp | hee.. I dunno |
| 00:06:27 | anseror | standard search |
| 00:06:45 | anseror | and if it finds only one result, it's cross-linked |
| 00:07:13 | anseror | once they finish zsi2 and our mirror of it is working, i'll just direct query the database |
| 00:07:36 | prpplague | anyone know the thread size of the tiny screw mount on the back of the z? |
| 00:07:56 | Neo|Work | prpplague: I think it's in the faq |
| 00:07:58 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 00:07:58 | Neo|Work | ibot faq |
| 00:08:01 | Neo|Work | the first on |
| 00:08:28 | prpplague | Neo|Work: thanks, guess i should have checked there first |
| 00:09:08 | anseror | assuming everything works (i started writing zfi on like wednesday) zfi should have the most up-to-date packages from everywhere. the only way you can be more up-to-date is to be the programmer of the app. |
| 00:10:25 | Neo|Work | must pull feeds quite often then |
| 00:10:29 | Neo|Work | that said, nice thing to have |
| 00:11:18 | anseror | pulls the packages file from each feed every hour. and once a week does some db cleanup to get rid of depricated links |
| 00:12:25 | anseror | it doesn't replace zsi, there's stuff that zsi tracks that isn't in the ipkg spec |
| 00:13:06 | Neo|Work | right |
| 00:13:11 | Neo|Work | I get that |
| 00:13:30 | Neo|Work | btw, suggestion: remove installed size from display when it's zero |
| 00:14:24 | prpplague | Neo|Work: bummer, no specs |
| 00:14:53 | Neo|Work | prpplague: ok. Wonder when I saw it then |
| 00:15:10 | prpplague | Neo|Work: it mentions the hole, but not the specs of it |
| 00:15:31 | anseror | Neo|Work: fixed |
| 00:15:46 | Neo|Work | prpplague: that seems quite useless really |
| 00:17:43 | KallDrexx | Has anyone here odne any fullscreen apps before? |
| 00:17:43 | tux_mike_ | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=1E783D913A1A64FBBDCD53XC69DD76C7&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=44469 more software from Emcon Emsys... a bible wordsearch... iesh |
| 00:18:20 | tux_mike_ | neo does |
| 00:19:05 | KallDrexx | NeoTron has? ok thanks |
| 00:19:36 | KallDrexx | NeoTron: think you could help me? |
| 00:21:34 | prpplague | Neo|Work: damn thats a small screw........ |
| 00:22:07 | ljp | thats what she said |
| 00:22:19 | anseror | hah |
| 00:22:33 | prpplague | ljp: nice come back |
| 00:23:10 | KallDrexx | is Neo the only one who has done fullscreen apps? |
| 00:24:02 | Neo|Work | KallDrexx: yes? |
| 00:24:07 | Neo|Work | I wrote the howto, but.. |
| 00:24:32 | KallDrexx | Neo|Work: heh well the 3 functions in the howto are giving me laods of implicit declaration errors for those functions |
| 00:25:06 | Neo|Work | like what? You're missing includes I'm guessing.. |
| 00:25:24 | KallDrexx | Neo|Work: that's what i guessed, but you didn't really post which ones i needed |
| 00:25:41 | KallDrexx | Neo|Work: can i pm you the errors? |
| 00:26:40 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 00:39:21 | anseror | is there some sort of howto for doing 2d graphics ? |
| 00:39:38 | KallDrexx | heh 2d graphics is gonna be fun lol |
| 00:41:07 | anseror | my only experience with graphics is with opengl on windows/unix systems. |
| 00:41:48 | Neo|Work | ah well, time to go home |
| 00:41:55 | KallDrexx | adios neo |
| 00:42:22 | KallDrexx | anseror: for 2d graphics in QT, it's not hard just annoying as you have to render them to the screen with the QPaintDevice |
| 00:42:32 | anseror | i see |
| 00:42:55 | KallDrexx | it's not hard though |
| 00:44:06 | Neo|Work | is away: weekend !!! |
| 01:09:39 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone alive? |
| 01:10:09 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 01:11:23 | TheMasterMind1 | new oz rocks |
| 01:11:29 | TheMasterMind1 | new opie stuff is awesome |
| 01:11:32 | KallDrexx | what's in it? |
| 01:11:36 | KallDrexx | what's the difference? |
| 01:12:24 | KallDrexx | is there a new stable release? |
| 01:15:21 | KallDrexx | hey Cloudchaser |
| 01:16:27 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx: there's a testing going to be released soon |
| 01:16:35 | TheMasterMind1 | we did some extensive testing and everything seems good |
| 01:16:45 | KallDrexx | cool but whats new with it? |
| 01:17:09 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 01:17:09 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-login opie's changed a bit |
| 01:17:11 | TheMasterMind1 | users |
| 01:17:15 | TheMasterMind1 | launcher settings |
| 01:17:21 | TheMasterMind1 | medium mount is part of opie |
| 01:17:39 | TheMasterMind1 | appearance has changed completely |
| 01:17:43 | KallDrexx | cool |
| 01:17:48 | TheMasterMind1 | you can control icon size and stuff |
| 01:17:53 | TheMasterMind1 | like make your documents tab have small icons |
| 01:18:01 | TheMasterMind1 | tons of bug fixes |
| 01:18:08 | TheMasterMind1 | should be a LOT more stable now |
| 01:18:11 | TheMasterMind1 | and more free space on / |
| 01:18:28 | TheMasterMind1 | should work better with sharp rom ipks |
| 01:18:52 | TheMasterMind1 | suspend/resume issues with cf cards should be mostly gone |
| 01:19:29 | TheMasterMind1 | stuff like that |
| 01:19:33 | netdude | hello pplz |
| 01:19:42 | netdude | nishi here |
| 01:20:15 | KallDrexx | sweet! |
| 01:20:16 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 01:20:17 | ljp | hi netdude |
| 01:20:32 | netdude | hi ljp how ya doing buddy ? |
| 01:20:38 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: btw one thing to look into, I found out why all my games kept closing when i came out from suspend |
| 01:20:48 | netdude | not at an Happy Hour tonite showing off ur Zaurus ? :) |
| 01:20:51 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: it's cause oz ejects then puts the cf card back in |
| 01:20:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 01:21:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 01:21:12 | ljp | getting sicker as each hour passes |
| 01:21:18 | netdude | hehehe |
| 01:21:38 | Cloudchaser | aw you're getting sicker ljp? |
| 01:21:40 | Cloudchaser | ;( |
| 01:21:58 | ljp | ya, quickly now htat I am getting tired |
| 01:22:22 | netdude | hi cloudchaser ... the smbmount didn't work yesterday ... I will try again once I get another wifi card |
| 01:22:45 | Cloudchaser | another one? |
| 01:23:01 | netdude | i returned mine ... have to buy another one |
| 01:23:22 | netdude | cuz it was that bulky one where I couldn't remove the stylus if the card was in |
| 01:23:49 | netdude | I'll probably get a CF memory card as well tomorrow ... cuz its needed to flash OZ |
| 01:23:59 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, also, when you put your Z in the cradle now, it sets the ip properly |
| 01:24:02 | TheMasterMind1 | so you can access it |
| 01:24:15 | netdude | i wanted to go the SD way ... but OZ doesn't yet flash to an SD/MMC card |
| 01:24:36 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: sweet! |
| 01:26:20 | TheMasterMind1 | netdude: you can flash to rom and install all your apps onto sd |
| 01:27:12 | netdude | that'll b kewl |
| 01:27:34 | netdude | so i wouldn't need a cf mem card ? |
| 01:27:47 | netdude | only an sd will do ? 128 MB ? |
| 01:28:30 | netdude | i was told yesterday that a cf card (mem) is a must for moving from sharps rom to oz |
| 01:28:56 | kergoth | netdude: its required to flash, yes. |
| 01:29:09 | kergoth | netdude: but you can borrow one from a friend, or get a small one just for flashing, and get a bigger card as sd |
| 01:29:40 | netdude | hmmm how much mem in a cf card is reqd for flashing ? 32mb ? |
| 01:29:51 | netdude | thats a goodf idea |
| 01:30:08 | numatrix|home | netdude: I think 32 is the smallest, yes. |
| 01:30:32 | numatrix|home | netdude: I've got a 128mb sd and then I borrow a friend's CF when I need to experiment... |
| 01:30:52 | netdude | cool ... so 32 shud suffice for flashing oz |
| 01:30:55 | netdude | swet |
| 01:30:57 | netdude | sweet |
| 01:31:06 | nitup | although it would be handy to own a cf big enough to flash from... *just* in case |
| 01:31:07 | netdude | thx numatrix |
| 01:31:12 | netdude | yup |
| 01:31:18 | numatrix|home | netdude: no problem. |
| 01:31:30 | netdude | mayb i'll buy a 32mb cf and 128 m sd |
| 01:31:39 | numatrix|home | netdude: I'd highly recommend that setup. |
| 01:31:54 | numatrix|home | The CF is dirt cheap. Mainly, that allows you to get a wireless (or wired) network card for CF later. |
| 01:32:34 | netdude | so after i've flashed to OZ, I can delete contents of the 32M CF card ? Or would I require that to get back to Sharp's ROM if I chose to ? |
| 01:33:40 | kergoth | netdude: you can delete if, sure |
| 01:33:44 | kergoth | s/if/it/ |
| 01:34:20 | netdude | thx a tonne dude/kergoth |
| 01:34:25 | kergoth | np |
| 01:34:55 | netdude | am runnin out of btty so will hang up now c ya guys 2morrow hv fun |
| 01:36:34 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleep. |
| 01:38:28 | KallDrexx | night |
| 01:51:06 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/qnxsshot.jpg |
| 01:56:55 | Cloudchaser | kergoth are you still awake by chance? |
| 01:59:03 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yup, whats up |
| 01:59:06 | nadav | hm |
| 01:59:14 | nadav | wtf |
| 01:59:18 | nadav | smbj is here? |
| 02:10:02 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
| 02:12:05 | KallDrexx | night |
| 02:20:50 | Neo|Laptop | evening |
| 02:24:01 | KallDrexx | NeoTron: btw that worked |
| 02:24:16 | Neo|Laptop | figured. :P |
| 02:24:29 | KallDrexx | Would i add a onMouseEvent(QMouseEvent *) function onto a widget to detect m0ouse clicks |
| 02:24:32 | KallDrexx | hehe yeah thanks :) |
| 02:24:54 | Neo|Laptop | No, there are mouse button press/release/move event callbacs.. |
| 02:24:57 | Neo|Laptop | specifically |
| 02:25:10 | KallDrexx | how would i get what clicks happen onth e main widget? |
| 02:25:56 | Neo|Laptop | void mousePressEvent(QMouseEvent *e) and ditto for Release and Move |
| 02:26:16 | KallDrexx | ah I just forgot the name of the fucntion thank |
| 02:26:17 | KallDrexx | ss |
| 02:30:13 | angry | would it be possible to go VNC CLIENT -> server you have admin on (can only SSH into it) -> VNC Server somewhere else |
| 02:31:03 | KallDrexx | NeoTron: to get the x/y coords i woudl do e->pos()->x() right? |
| 02:32:00 | Neo|Laptop | right |
| 02:32:05 | KallDrexx | coo :) |
| 02:34:45 | KallDrexx | do i have to use a signal to tell qApp to quit? |
| 02:39:58 | KallDrexx | NeoTron: it seems i have to do e->pos().x() |
| 02:41:58 | Neo|Laptop | uh, right, yes |
| 03:02:36 | Neo|Laptop | moves upstairs. |
| 03:30:22 | kergoth | anyone still awake in here? |
| 03:30:35 | kergoth | s/awake/conscious/ |
| 03:30:41 | nitup | barely |
| 03:30:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:31:07 | kergoth | bored. |
| 03:31:11 | kergoth | anyone in here good with vtun? |
| 03:31:12 | nitup | listening to the rain fall outside |
| 03:31:14 | kergoth | hrm |
| 03:31:18 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 03:31:38 | nitup | and the hum of fans :) |
| 03:47:52 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 03:56:11 | kergoth | yawns |
| 05:00:24 | jbardin | hmm |
| 05:00:29 | jbardin | anyone up |
| 05:05:01 | myuu | no =PO |
| 05:06:25 | kergoth | jbardin: definately not |
| 05:09:31 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 05:26:49 | Shak | hi |
| 05:34:04 | Shak | is this the best place to enquire about LInux PDAs inc. the Zaurus? |
| 05:39:33 | myuu | ya |
| 06:08:10 | Data__ | is gone. Gone since Fri Sep 20 08:54:01 2002 |
| 06:39:21 | frankps | morning |
| 06:55:49 | Ashlar | hey anyone alive in here ? |
| 06:56:05 | kergoth | Ashlar: no |
| 06:56:15 | Ashlar | sweet |
| 07:02:44 | Twiun | almost |
| 07:20:57 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 07:28:17 | Ashlar | hey i just got my zaurus the other day and im using a wlan cf card should there be a icon on the zaurus when its in use |
| 07:32:43 | kendrick2 | anyone got the latest linux journal and a scanner? |
| 07:33:42 | kendrick2 | re |
| 07:36:10 | kendrick2 | hrm |
| 08:35:34 | George- | hello |
| 08:37:38 | kergoth | hey george |
| 08:37:44 | kergoth | you're up early or late |
| 08:37:47 | kergoth | eh? |
| 08:38:27 | George- | uhm |
| 08:38:29 | George- | 10:45am? |
| 08:38:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:38:41 | kergoth | where you at? |
| 08:38:47 | George- | UK... |
| 08:38:48 | George- | :) |
| 08:38:50 | George- | Home? |
| 08:38:50 | George- | :) |
| 08:39:01 | kergoth | notes is 4:38am here |
| 08:39:03 | George- | how the heck do I install Debian... |
| 08:39:08 | kergoth | carefully |
| 08:39:16 | George- | hah |
| 08:42:03 | MarkMorga | hi guys |
| 08:42:23 | MarkMorga | can someone please help me out getting the ir port to work with my nokia phone to make a call |
| 08:42:34 | MarkMorga | it works with my old series 7...but not with my zaurus |
| 08:43:37 | MarkMorga | anyon ein ?? |
| 08:46:22 | MarkMorga | youfuckers really now how to rock |
| 08:46:35 | George- | excuse me? |
| 08:46:49 | MarkMorga | never mind |
| 08:46:54 | George- | are you marknovak? |
| 08:47:00 | MarkMorga | should i be ? |
| 08:47:02 | MarkMorga | :) |
| 08:47:11 | MarkMorga | i shouldnt have to cuss to get a response |
| 08:47:15 | George- | dunno, you seem to have the same sorta attitude |
| 08:47:20 | MarkMorga | well im no |
| 08:47:21 | MarkMorga | t |
| 08:47:34 | MarkMorga | and frustration at being ignored is not attitude |
| 08:47:46 | kergoth | MarkMorga: ignored? half of hte people in here are likely *asleep* |
| 08:47:49 | MarkMorga | i was politely requesting a little help at getting the IR port to work on my zaurus |
| 08:47:52 | kergoth | MarkMorga: or no where near their computers |
| 08:47:59 | MarkMorga | oh i see |
| 08:48:01 | kergoth | MarkMorga: if you dont get a response, wait a while and ask again later |
| 08:48:09 | MarkMorga | well thats fair enough |
| 08:48:09 | George- | MarkMorga: Try thinking, perhaps they don't KNOW?!?!?! |
| 08:48:17 | kergoth | thats true as well |
| 08:48:18 | MarkMorga | hmm, never thought of that |
| 08:48:26 | kergoth | MarkMorga: most will not reply if they do not have the answer |
| 08:48:27 | MarkMorga | you guys dont make calls via the IR port ? |
| 08:48:32 | MarkMorga | ok |
| 08:48:35 | MarkMorga | im new here |
| 08:48:35 | kergoth | MarkMorga: so just wait, and listen. |
| 08:48:36 | MarkMorga | v new |
| 08:48:50 | kergoth | myself, I havent done any work with irda, and i'm half asleep regardless |
| 08:48:52 | MarkMorga | do you guys have zaurus's ? |
| 08:48:56 | kergoth | its 5am here, and i havent slept yet |
| 08:48:58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 08:49:15 | MarkMorga | do you run the qtopia software ? |
| 08:49:22 | MarkMorga | would like to run linux and X |
| 08:49:30 | MarkMorga | and thats it - i'[d like to customise it |
| 08:50:13 | kergoth | X is available for the Z. |
| 08:50:16 | | i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 08:50:16 | kergoth | ibot zsi |
| 08:50:38 | MarkMorga | thanks ppl :) |
| 08:50:46 | MarkMorga | do any of you guys run it ? |
| 08:51:10 | | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 08:51:10 | MarkMorga | ibot search zsi X |
| 08:51:29 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 08:51:29 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for X |
| 08:51:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:51:38 | | 2002/3_Danielle_Edwards_eCalendar 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=331 |
| 08:51:39 | | 2002/3_Supercars_eCalendar 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=259 |
| 08:51:40 | | a2ps 4.13-3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=391 |
| 08:51:41 | | 3 of 225 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=x |
| 08:51:41 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for X |
| 08:51:43 | kergoth | bah |
| 08:51:46 | kergoth | stupid bot |
| 08:51:48 | kergoth | go there directly |
| 08:52:06 | George- | lol |
| 08:52:21 | | Commodore_64_Emulator_(x64) 0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=492 |
| 08:52:22 | | GoVRec 0.97b >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=287 |
| 08:52:23 | | GpsDrive >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=247 |
| 08:52:24 | | 3 of 5 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=x11 |
| 08:52:24 | George- | ibot search zsi for x11 |
| 08:52:49 | MarkMorga | guys...if i remove qtopia somehow...would i still need a cf card to install X ? |
| 08:55:14 | kergoth | MarkMorga: hmm? |
| 08:55:23 | MarkMorga | yes ? |
| 08:55:32 | MarkMorga | well I dont have a cf card yet :) |
| 08:55:33 | kergoth | what does a cf card have to do with X? |
| 08:55:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:55:48 | kergoth | do you have usb networking setup, or wireless? |
| 08:55:49 | MarkMorga | well it seems that memory requirements mean i need a cf card |
| 08:55:55 | MarkMorga | kergoth..not yet no |
| 08:56:00 | kergoth | what does a memory requirement have to do with cf? |
| 08:56:04 | MarkMorga | i dont have any extra accessories as yet |
| 08:56:07 | kergoth | is confused |
| 08:56:08 | MarkMorga | cf memory card ? |
| 08:56:16 | MarkMorga | sorry i must have got that wrong |
| 08:56:27 | MarkMorga | i thought ineeded more memory to install X |
| 08:56:28 | kergoth | cf = storage |
| 08:56:32 | kergoth | memory = ram |
| 08:56:32 | MarkMorga | so sorry |
| 08:56:36 | MarkMorga | thats what i meant |
| 08:56:37 | kergoth | storage != memory |
| 08:56:38 | MarkMorga | hang on |
| 08:56:50 | MarkMorga | so can i install X without more storage ??? |
| 08:57:14 | kergoth | depends on how large X is. |
| 08:57:17 | MarkMorga | from a webpage re: X server... |
| 08:57:18 | MarkMorga | Considering the required memory, I'll try to install |
| 08:57:18 | MarkMorga | it on a CompactFlash Card. |
| 08:57:25 | MarkMorga | thats what it says |
| 08:57:31 | MarkMorga | hang on let me get the file size |
| 08:58:36 | kergoth | you could also install it to a sd card, but if thats what it says, then it has a large *storage* requirement, and would likely be best installed on some media as it suggests |
| 08:58:48 | MarkMorga | i see |
| 08:58:56 | MarkMorga | but i fdont have any cards right now :) |
| 08:59:05 | MarkMorga | i wonder if i just try to install it |
| 08:59:40 | MarkMorga | maybe |
| 08:59:51 | MarkMorga | thats why i was wondering has anyone else installed X |
| 08:59:54 | MarkMorga | or guys... |
| 09:00:06 | MarkMorga | do any of you have ethernet conectivity on your zaurus ? |
| 09:00:46 | kergoth | note that 'any of you' doesnt apply to many, since there probably arent more than a couple people actually conscious atm |
| 09:01:01 | kergoth | I have a wireless card, and a 64mb cf card, thats it |
| 09:01:21 | MarkMorga | i see |
| 09:01:28 | MarkMorga | how much was the 64mb card ? |
| 09:01:38 | kergoth | dont recall |
| 09:01:45 | kergoth | i bought it last september |
| 09:02:16 | MarkMorga | ah ok |
| 09:02:37 | MarkMorga | whats performance on the wireless card like ? |
| 09:03:05 | George- | my 160MB was 75 GBP about 3 years ago... |
| 09:03:22 | MarkMorga | George, ok |
| 09:03:26 | MarkMorga | not too bad |
| 09:03:29 | MarkMorga | is from London |
| 09:12:17 | MarkMorga | it really looks like too much difficulty to install x :(( |
| 09:14:33 | Beckity | can anyone tell me where to get the rom image 2.38 from sharp site says 2.37 is latest |
| 09:15:34 | TheMasterMind1 | its on there |
| 09:15:38 | kilowa | init_module: prism2_cs.o: 0.1.15 Loaded |
| 09:15:38 | kilowa | init_module: dev_info is: prism2_cs |
| 09:15:38 | kilowa | prism2_cs: CardServices release does not match! |
| 09:15:38 | kilowa | p80211.o: 0.1.15 Unloaded |
| 09:15:42 | kilowa | any idea someone ? :) |
| 09:15:50 | TheMasterMind1 | what rom/version/opie/etc? |
| 09:24:10 | Beckity | thanx found it.. sharp have a wroung link on thier splash page.. one other question does anyone know why sharp emphasise the updates are for USA sharp users only.. although im in the UK i got mine in NY anyway :) |
| 09:25:34 | TheMasterMind1 | no idea |
| 09:25:39 | TheMasterMind1 | probably some licensing issues |
| 09:25:43 | TheMasterMind1 | with opera/hancom/something |
| 09:26:22 | Beckity | hmmm k .. never thought of that reason.. im useing it anyway.. thanx again |
| 09:34:27 | _ibz | i think it might be more than just licensing issues...am sure i've read on zauruszone about uk Z's having problems with us roms. |
| 09:42:03 | Shak | how much is the zaurus over there in the USA/ |
| 09:42:29 | kilowa | prism2_cs: CardServices release does not match! => suggestions ? |
| 09:51:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kilowa: what rom? |
| 09:52:10 | TheMasterMind1 | Shak: $335 shipped from buy.com |
| 09:54:46 | kilowa | kilowa: it's not especially for my zaurus, on my zaurus the dwl 650 works great, but the dwl500 at my workstation gives problems initialising |
| 10:38:53 | wazlaf | hi |
| 10:39:40 | wazlaf | after upgrading OZ to the current feed, my fonts are now all messed up |
| 10:40:11 | wazlaf | for example the font dialogs report the font Helvetica three times as size 1 and once as size 2 |
| 10:40:22 | wazlaf | any idea what might have caused this? |
| 10:51:32 | TheMasterMind1 | its broked in that feed |
| 10:51:39 | wazlaf | how can i fix it? |
| 10:51:39 | TheMasterMind1 | a new oz will be released today |
| 10:51:41 | TheMasterMind1 | testing version |
| 10:51:43 | TheMasterMind1 | wait for it |
| 10:51:46 | wazlaf | ok |
| 10:51:55 | wazlaf | TheMasterMind1: complete new rom or just the feed? |
| 10:52:01 | TheMasterMind1 | both |
| 10:52:06 | wazlaf | TheMasterMind1: ok thanks |
| 10:52:24 | TheMasterMind1 | look in openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ in a bit |
| 10:52:29 | TheMasterMind1 | it'll be there |
| 10:52:32 | wazlaf | ok |
| 12:23:54 | mark | has anyone got 'elemental' is it java? |
| 12:35:27 | Twiun | elemental? |
| 12:35:35 | Lone | Not that anyone is awake, but whats a good image viewer that will handle 4megapixel images? |
| 12:36:03 | Twiun | Lone: never tried that kind of size... tried MooView or tkcGallery? |
| 12:36:45 | Lone | I haven't yet, but thanks for the pointers. Just upgraded the camera, and suddenly, the Sharp viewer sucs. |
| 12:38:24 | Twiun | Lone: try having a look at the Zaurus Software Index... |
| 12:38:28 | | somebody said zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 12:38:28 | Twiun | ibot: zsi |
| 12:43:45 | | Ibz: huh? |
| 12:43:45 | Ibz | ibot ozfaq |
| 12:43:50 | | oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 12:43:50 | Ibz | ibot oz faq |
| 12:44:07 | | thanks Ibz :) |
| 12:44:07 | Ibz | ibot: botsnack |
| 13:28:36 | George- | yay |
| 13:28:39 | George- | YDL is installing |
| 13:28:39 | George- | wahoo |
| 13:41:01 | George- | wh00t? DiscT@2? |
| 13:50:49 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 13:51:15 | chouimat|coffee | ciaolinux: any luck? |
| 14:01:12 | chouimat|coffee | George-: hi |
| 14:01:36 | George- | hi. |
| 14:33:24 | IPmonger | is back (gone 12:37:12) |
| 14:39:08 | chouimat|coffee | hi kergoth |
| 14:39:31 | kergoth | hey chouimat|coffee |
| 14:39:35 | kergoth | how are ya |
| 14:39:46 | kergoth | is still half asleep, just went to bed 5 hours ago |
| 14:40:06 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: not bad just need to get rid of that mouth infection :( |
| 14:40:13 | kergoth | ahh that sucks |
| 14:41:25 | George- | hey kergoth |
| 14:41:31 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: it's tolerable now, but wenesday ... I wanted to kill |
| 14:46:42 | chouimat|coffee | sorry just finished my daily archeological expedition |
| 14:47:35 | chouimat|coffee | is mess ported to the z? |
| 14:47:54 | Data__ | lo |
| 14:48:02 | George- | wtf is an iris scanner? |
| 14:48:15 | chouimat|coffee | George-: security device |
| 14:48:15 | Dataken | something to scan your iris? :) |
| 14:48:39 | Dataken | i think it actually scans the retina |
| 14:48:58 | George- | oh |
| 14:48:59 | George- | ok :) |
| 14:49:15 | George- | chouimat|coffee: i don't listen to you anymore. your words are sent to /dev/null |
| 14:49:23 | George- | chouimat|coffee: from past experience =P |
| 14:49:54 | chouimat|coffee | George-: i didn't say anything |
| 14:50:07 | George- | [15:10:56] <chouimat|coffee> George-: security device |
| 14:50:35 | chouimat|coffee | George-: that right I say nothing to offense your young ears :) |
| 14:50:50 | George- | stfu |
| 14:51:00 | George- | doesn't like chouimat|coffee |
| 14:51:17 | kergoth | lol |
| 14:51:32 | George- | wb kergoth |
| 14:51:40 | kergoth | fucking cat |
| 14:51:53 | George- | haha |
| 14:51:56 | kergoth | i mean, did he really have to take a shit bad enough to meow my ass out of bed to open the door? |
| 14:51:58 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:52:09 | George- | LOL |
| 14:52:09 | chouimat|coffee | George-: and this way preserve the chastity of your young and impressionnable mind |
| 14:52:17 | George- | chouimat|coffee: shut it |
| 14:53:02 | chouimat|coffee | try to be polite with George- and as a young George- doesn't like it |
| 14:53:58 | George- | chouimat|coffee: Yeh well |
| 14:54:02 | George- | chouimat|coffee: I don't trust you |
| 14:54:22 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: problem with your cat? |
| 14:54:42 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: litter box in the room w/ the door closed |
| 14:54:45 | | OK, Twiun. |
| 14:54:45 | Twiun | ibot: jdk1.1 is equivalent to PersonalJava 1.2 - Sun no longer provides downloads for linux x86, ask Twiun for a copy! |
| 14:54:48 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: kept meowing till he woke me up |
| 14:54:56 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: hehe |
| 14:55:22 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: hehe. just get back of today archeological expedition in the litter box |
| 14:55:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:55:38 | kergoth | I need to clean it today too |
| 14:55:40 | kergoth | smells |
| 14:55:42 | kergoth | whew |
| 14:56:40 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: mine if I pass two day without cleaning it ... he just wait that I clean it and well use it right after ... or even worst while I'm cleaning it :( |
| 14:56:52 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: ack |
| 14:57:15 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: yup |
| 14:58:34 | Dataken | moeha :p |
| 15:09:31 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: any interessing change to oz? |
| 15:10:50 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: workign on the permissions necessary to make opie run as a nonroot user happily |
| 15:11:00 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: fixing up device permissions, adding groups for access to various things |
| 15:11:32 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: still no way to configure home on a sd card or cf one? |
| 15:11:42 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: ? |
| 15:11:48 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: read the faq |
| 15:11:50 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:11:53 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: ok :) |
| 15:11:59 | kergoth | /home has no special meaning in OZ |
| 15:12:02 | kergoth | its just another directory |
| 15:12:26 | kergoth | the whole structure is different. 99% of people will be fine just using a ext2 card, then installing all their apps to the card |
| 15:12:33 | kergoth | cause in OZ, you can install 99% of packages to the sd w/o a prob |
| 15:14:01 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: ok, it's because I received a industrial strongarm-based pda or computer and I'm doing a linux and a netbsd port on that beast, so when I get my z, I will play with it to get a demo to show to the clients |
| 15:15:45 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: Imagine a pda with 3 pcmcia slots |
| 15:16:00 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: 3? howd they pull that off? |
| 15:16:13 | George- | chouimat|coffee: imagine a battery the size of my stomach |
| 15:16:17 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: last i checked the strongarm only supports 2, they must be running the third through another chip |
| 15:16:22 | kergoth | ponders |
| 15:16:32 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: is big like a digital multimeter |
| 15:17:22 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: 3 serial ports and one ethernet |
| 15:22:22 | Dataken | chouimat|coffee: url? |
| 15:22:43 | chouimat|coffee | Dataken: use which browser? |
| 15:23:31 | Dataken | have an url of that industrial strongarm thing? :) |
| 15:24:03 | chouimat|coffee | Dataken: www.daptech.com |
| 15:26:11 | anseror | AHH!! Blink tag! |
| 15:26:12 | anseror | AHH!! |
| 15:26:26 | anseror | MY EYES! MY EYES!! |
| 15:26:34 | George- | LOL |
| 15:26:48 | chouimat|coffee | anseror: ?? |
| 15:26:57 | anseror | http://w3.daptech.com/about/ABOUT/index.php |
| 15:28:15 | chouimat|coffee | anseror: :) the site is in poor (very poor) flash |
| 15:28:35 | anseror | yeah |
| 15:28:43 | anseror | and blinking text in the html |
| 15:28:58 | anseror | i think they should take blink out of the html spec. |
| 15:29:27 | chouimat|coffee | anseror: and their product are on CE, the latest model use CE .NET :) |
| 15:29:33 | anseror | oh god |
| 15:29:50 | anseror | have you used visual studio .net? |
| 15:30:02 | George- | kewl |
| 15:30:07 | George- | airport works |
| 15:30:09 | anseror | it's baaad |
| 15:30:10 | chouimat|coffee | anseror: nope, just 6. I need Codewarrior |
| 15:30:39 | anseror | friend of mine works on madden - microsoft is requiring all xbox dev to be done on vs.net |
| 15:30:58 | chouimat|coffee | anseror: yurk. |
| 15:31:13 | anseror | his new 2.4ghz or whatever system runs hard into the ground many times a day trying to do it. |
| 15:31:54 | chouimat|coffee | anseror: CE .NET is ce but rewritten to use the .NET VM |
| 15:32:07 | anseror | ah - so not quite as bad. |
| 15:33:00 | chouimat|coffee | anseror: the currently rewritte all their stuff to use the VM and that way they will just need to port it to new processor :) |
| 15:34:37 | anseror | CE is pretty slow as it is ... running it off of a .NET VM ... |
| 15:34:38 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: a help function in qconf would be handy :) |
| 15:34:42 | Dataken | chouimat|coffee: so how far along are you with the port? :) |
| 15:35:03 | anseror | i understand it's easier ... but you only have so much processing power in a pda. |
| 15:35:38 | anseror | should stop thinking out loud. |
| 15:35:40 | chouimat|coffee | Dataken: I'm starting it (development proposion) |
| 15:36:24 | chouimat|coffee | anseror: One of my friend (who just left m$) say they even plan to make the desktop version with .net |
| 15:36:45 | anseror | oh boy |
| 15:37:39 | chouimat|coffee | anseror: they will do 'Windows everywhere' :) |
| 15:37:54 | anseror | i can't wait for apple to release osx for x86 |
| 15:42:03 | Grez | where do I download the zimage file for openzaurus 2.9.5.5 ? |
| 15:43:47 | kergoth | Grez: 2.9.5.5 uses the same zImages as 2.9.4. |
| 15:43:54 | Grez | cool |
| 15:48:42 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:27:43) |
| 15:49:19 | George- | anseror: OS X for x86? |
| 15:50:09 | SmBJ | anseror: they're not going to do that :P |
| 15:50:49 | angry | they actually have it made already |
| 15:50:52 | angry | but they're not going to release it |
| 15:51:00 | George- | We know |
| 15:51:05 | George- | They're never gonna release it |
| 15:51:12 | angry | no apps will be supported though :-P |
| 15:51:17 | angry | err no apps will support it |
| 15:54:22 | George- | yah |
| 16:07:21 | anseror | practically any linux app will run on it. |
| 16:07:28 | anseror | and they've been having troubles with motorola |
| 16:07:41 | anseror | so if they end the partnership with motorola... |
| 16:07:50 | anseror | it might happen |
| 16:08:03 | anseror | clearly they've thought about it or they wouldn't have done the parallel development. |
| 16:08:10 | angry | well yeah |
| 16:08:13 | angry | but its a last resort |
| 16:08:19 | angry | they dont want to scrap all their hardware and stuff |
| 16:08:31 | anseror | it would be a shame to do all that dev and never release it. :-P |
| 16:09:10 | angry | my guess is that they MIGHT release it once 2 more of their OSes are out and that one is old news |
| 16:09:15 | wazlaf | how's the new OZ release coming along? ;) |
| 16:09:41 | kergoth | wazlaf: #openzaurus |
| 16:09:56 | kergoth | wazlaf: quite well, I'm releasing an initrd.bin for testing purposes today. |
| 16:11:16 | George- | anseror: X11 runs CRAP on OSX |
| 16:11:36 | George- | anseror: Plus, IBM make PPC chips |
| 16:11:56 | anseror | George-: well, one can always dream. |
| 16:12:19 | George- | lol, buy a mac |
| 16:12:29 | George- | and see how crap OS X really is |
| 16:13:15 | anseror | y'see that's the problem |
| 16:13:18 | anseror | mac sucks |
| 16:13:22 | anseror | i want to see osx on a real computer |
| 16:13:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:13:28 | kergoth | uhm |
| 16:13:39 | kergoth | i like ppc architecture myself |
| 16:13:47 | George- | uhm... |
| 16:13:53 | George- | what's wrong with a mac? |
| 16:13:59 | George- | PowerPC is a nifty arch |
| 16:14:05 | George- | and the rest is mainly bog standard |
| 16:14:11 | George- | Open Firmware rocks :) |
| 16:14:31 | caffeinex36 | do you need a CF card or can you use a SD card to update the ROM images on a 5000D |
| 16:14:34 | caffeinex36 | ? |
| 16:16:15 | mark | George-: in what way is the arch nice? |
| 16:16:18 | mark | s/nice/nifty |
| 16:26:34 | George- | mark: uhm |
| 16:27:00 | George- | mark: it just is :) |
| 16:28:56 | mark | George-: impressive argument |
| 16:29:11 | George- | mark: yah |
| 16:29:15 | George- | mark: I know |
| 16:33:43 | chouimat|away | bbl |
| 17:12:10 | _AleX_ | hi all ... somebody had open a zaurus for switching the keyboard's keys ? |
| 17:17:11 | anseror | heh |
| 17:17:51 | _AleX_ | does anyone here open a Zaurus ? |
| 17:19:04 | George- | _AleX_: you can't |
| 17:19:09 | George- | _AleX_: the keyboard keys are one pad |
| 17:19:10 | ljp_ | open? I hacked in a microphone into one of mine |
| 17:19:15 | George- | _AleX_: they aren't individual buttons |
| 17:19:23 | George- | ljp_: oh I saw that :) |
| 17:19:31 | _AleX_ | George-: ..shit... |
| 17:20:08 | kergoth | _AleX_: why would you move the keys? just remap them in software |
| 17:20:10 | _AleX_ | i'm france, i can't buy a UK version, so i'll buy a german version xith qwertz keyboard ... |
| 17:20:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:20:34 | _AleX_ | i want a azeerty keyboard ! :-) |
| 17:20:46 | _AleX_ | with only one e ;-) |
| 17:21:07 | George- | I want a dumbfuck keyboard |
| 17:21:08 | George- | :) |
| 17:21:13 | _AleX_ | i don't understand sharp ... |
| 17:21:23 | kergoth | _AleX_: heh. you can just remap it. sure the keyboard wont *look* like its right, but it *will be* |
| 17:21:29 | _AleX_ | zaurus is not avaliable worldwide .. |
| 17:21:46 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/qnxsshot.jpg |
| 17:21:49 | George- | just use the handwriting recognition |
| 17:21:55 | ljp_ | scratch off the paint, and repaint them |
| 17:22:05 | _AleX_ | kergoth: ... so i must repaint the keyboard's keys :) |
| 17:22:10 | George- | ljp_: they're transfers :) |
| 17:22:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:23:22 | _AleX_ | not very cool ... it's very hard to obtain a zaurus in france ... i've order mine in germany -(i'm waiting) ... 550 euros |
| 17:23:55 | _AleX_ | i hate sharp's politic ;-( |
| 17:24:10 | ljp_ | ya, thats odd that there are no french Z's |
| 17:24:14 | _AleX_ | and i don't understand like many many buyers |
| 17:24:51 | ljp_ | maybe Sharp-France didnt order any |
| 17:24:57 | _AleX_ | Zaurus is sell in US, UK, Germany and Koree. no others countries! |
| 17:25:16 | George- | Korea? |
| 17:25:16 | _AleX_ | i've phone to Sharp-France .... they can't obtain it ! |
| 17:25:17 | George- | wtf? |
| 17:25:19 | George- | Oh, hancom |
| 17:25:37 | _AleX_ | sorry for my frenchy poor english |
| 17:25:49 | ljp_ | ohh.. sharp japan isnt even letting them have one |
| 17:26:16 | ljp_ | hey thats ok, you speak better english that I can french |
| 17:26:35 | _AleX_ | so i'm waiting my qwertz german model ... |
| 17:26:44 | George- | hrmm |
| 17:26:44 | _AleX_ | ljp_ :-) |
| 17:26:48 | George- | 50 seconds to load Konq |
| 17:26:59 | George- | That's gotta be a record |
| 17:27:01 | ljp_ | doesnt french have more extended chars than german? |
| 17:27:16 | George- | the handwriting recognition supports accented chars |
| 17:27:27 | _AleX_ | we use special caracters with accents |
| 17:27:40 | _AleX_ | like : יטאש ... do you see this caracters ? |
| 17:27:50 | ljp_ | yes, and perhaps the french keyboard wouldnt all fit on the z |
| 17:28:25 | _AleX_ | not very a problem .... but if we can obtain UK version ... |
| 17:28:47 | _AleX_ | and we can use special keys for doing our special caracters |
| 17:29:43 | _AleX_ | so i'm waiting my zaurus ... upgrade the firmware to english edition (i don't understand german) |
| 17:30:29 | _AleX_ | George-: do you have try to open your z ? |
| 17:33:21 | _AleX_ | [George]: do you have try to open your z ? |
| 17:33:34 | [George] | I have done it |
| 17:33:36 | [George] | About 5 times |
| 17:33:43 | _AleX_ | :-) |
| 17:33:48 | _AleX_ | for doing what ? |
| 17:34:13 | [George] | Erm, nothing in particular :) |
| 17:34:29 | _AleX_ | ,-) |
| 17:35:24 | caffeinex36 | anyone use the AmbiCom CF wireless card with the Zaurus 5000D |
| 17:35:25 | caffeinex36 | ? |
| 17:35:42 | _AleX_ | i've another question : |
| 17:36:01 | _AleX_ | about the wifi card ... it's only avialable in CF card ? |
| 17:38:05 | mjn3 | caffeinex36: i've used it with the 5500 |
| 17:40:35 | caffeinex36 | mjn3: it should work in the 5000D |
| 17:40:45 | caffeinex36 | just dont want to go out and spend the money |
| 17:41:10 | caffeinex36 | the real reason i want that particular one is because it says its compaitble with type 1 and type II |
| 17:41:24 | caffeinex36 | my jornada 548 is a type I...so im hoping it will work on there |
| 17:42:31 | _AleX_ | Wifi card are only avialable on CF card ? or i can find it on others ports ? |
| 17:42:52 | prpplague | kergoth: you around? |
| 17:42:53 | kergoth | _AleX_: what other ports? teh Z only has serial, sd, and cf. |
| 17:42:57 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, whats up |
| 17:43:17 | prpplague | kergoth: you got anything on the oz build that can set the parameters of the serial port? |
| 17:43:28 | _AleX_ | i've buy a 128 cf card for my zaurus ... but i want later connect a wifi card .. |
| 17:43:53 | kergoth | _AleX_: okay... there are no sd 802.11 cards to my knowledge. whichi s why most people buy a large capacity sd card, and use wifi for wireless |
| 17:44:44 | _AleX_ | kergoth: thanks |
| 17:45:19 | mjn3 | caffeinex36: what i have... http://www.ambicom.com/products/wave2net/WL1100C-CF.htm is type 1 |
| 17:45:32 | prpplague | kergoth: nm, found a solution |
| 17:46:00 | kergoth | prpplague: I didnt understand the question anyway |
| 17:46:02 | kergoth | prpplague: :) |
| 17:46:26 | caffeinex36 | mjn3: weird it says its type I or II on best buys site http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11174297&m=488&cat=564&scat=566 |
| 17:46:44 | prpplague | kergoth: thanks anyway, btw, you get you vtun stuff straight? |
| 17:46:58 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, stupid mistake. vtun rocks btw :) |
| 17:47:04 | caffeinex36 | my concerns are this. I want a CF wifi card that will work with my zaurus 5000D + kismet and also my jornada 548 |
| 17:48:02 | caffeinex36 | only thing is i would not know how to configure it on the jornada...i must have an old version of PPC ot says its winCE 3.0.9348 |
| 17:49:16 | caffeinex36 | kergoth: i just wish i could update my ROM image on my 5000D with an SD card |
| 17:49:23 | caffeinex36 | then i wouldnt have to go out and buy a CF card |
| 17:50:08 | kergoth | caffeinex36: I've been thinking about writing a rom updater app for qtopia |
| 17:56:21 | mjn3 | kergoth: for qtopia? how would you manage that? i can see how you could do it from a linuxrc script, building a ram rootfs and pivot_root'ing onto that so that you could write to the underlying mtdblock... |
| 17:57:18 | kergoth | mjn3: it'd be amusing to see what happens to qtopia if you remove its world out from under it.. lol |
| 17:58:11 | mjn3 | kergoth: i kind of doubt that it is _that_ fault tolerant ;-) |
| 18:01:00 | kergoth | mjn3: thankfully the flash is already stuck read only, so the only concern is the libs and shit being slipped out from under it. though if the unit had the ram you could mount a ramfs or tmpfs, drop some things we need to keep operating, chroot into it, and continue |
| 18:01:06 | kergoth | mjn3: It'd be fun to play with regardless |
| 18:01:43 | kergoth | mjn3: could have it support initrd.bin + zImage or romimage/ospack, put a rom image directory block parser in it so it doesnt unnecessarily reflash the bootloader, with md5 checking on the image, it'd be safer than a cf upgrade |
| 18:02:45 | Onyx4 | the mic input is mono on the Z right? |
| 18:05:19 | ljp | yes |
| 18:18:43 | Cloudchaser | hello everyone |
| 18:19:10 | mjn3 | kergoth: i had been thinking about something similar, using a linuxrc script. also, was thinking of using a linuxrc script to test new rootfs images via nfs mount. i wasn't really worried about ospack though, as i was looking at a uClibc based system. not for everyone as you give up binary compatibility of course |
| 18:19:39 | kergoth | mjn3: of course |
| 18:24:13 | mjn3 | kergoth: i really think init=/linuxrc (or some such) should be in the stock kernel cmd line though, as it gives you the option of setting putting the rootfs on CF, SD, NFS, or a ramfs/tmpfs. the stock /linuxrc would just exec /sbin/init |
| 18:24:52 | kergoth | mjn3: thats a good idea. too bad the kernel is on a seperate partition, I cant make the new kernel depend on a sepecific version of oz-base to ensure /linuxrc exists |
| 18:26:26 | mjn3 | kergoth: well, one way to "fix" that is to patch the kernel startup code so that it looks for /linuxrc before /sbin/init. if it isn't there, it falls through |
| 18:26:42 | kergoth | mjn3: yep. seems hackish, but not much for options |
| 18:36:34 | ljp | wonders if zfurby runs on a vercel |
| 18:36:48 | ljp | wonders if zfurby runs on a vercel |
| 18:37:03 | hardwire | eww |
| 18:37:19 | ljp | I'm going to try |
| 18:37:35 | ljp | because the furby guy is on the vercel board |
| 18:38:10 | ljp | well.. not the vercel _board_, but the board of whatervers-guys- that-make-decisions |
| 18:51:19 | NoGoodNick | My sharp zaurus synchs faster to the linux computer than it does to my windows box. |
| 18:54:04 | ljp | reboots the vercel |
| 18:54:30 | NoGoodNick | Has any set up a wireless network with linux, so that maybe a laptop or my zaurus could access my emal and internet from anywhere within my house? |
| 18:58:50 | NoGoodNick | Is anyone out there? :-) |
| 18:58:56 | kergoth | no |
| 18:58:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:59:20 | NoGoodNick | lol |
| 18:59:31 | NoGoodNick | quiet in here |
| 19:01:30 | mjn3 | enjoys the quiet... |
| 19:01:46 | ljp | WAKE UP! |
| 19:01:52 | ljp | :) |
| 19:02:40 | kergoth | ow, i have a headache, dont yell |
| 19:02:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:02:44 | NoGoodNick | what have you done with your Zaurus so far? |
| 19:02:58 | kergoth | as i crank the rap music to rattle the walls, i complain about a headache |
| 19:03:02 | kergoth | notes he's nonsensical |
| 19:03:35 | mjn3 | nonsensical notes are difficult to decipher... |
| 19:03:46 | NoGoodNick | uh huh |
| 19:04:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:04:44 | NoGoodNick | what have you done with your Zaurus so far? |
| 19:04:56 | kergoth | thats a bit broad |
| 19:04:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:04:59 | ljp | my girlfriend like the Z on vibrate mode |
| 19:05:36 | George- | lol |
| 19:05:52 | NoGoodNick | :-) |
| 19:06:10 | ljp | my z ran out of battery on a plane flight once, when I first got it ;( |
| 19:06:30 | George- | Sucker ;) |
| 19:06:54 | hardwire | hmm |
| 19:06:56 | hardwire | gross |
| 19:06:57 | mjn3 | ljp: i'm surprised they didn't throw your girlfriend off the plane then |
| 19:07:26 | NoGoodNick | I have the light set on the secound setting, and I haven't had a problem with the battery yet |
| 19:07:41 | ljp | hahaha |
| 19:07:48 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:08:52 | chouimat | re |
| 19:08:53 | ljp | hey cool, zfurby runs on the vercel, but the window doesnt adjust to the landscape.. and I dont have a furby to tell if it works |
| 19:09:39 | ljp | I'll leave that on for ya, BZFlag... |
| 19:09:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:10:13 | chouimat | anyone know if dazzle compact flash reader work on linux? |
| 19:10:26 | kergoth | chouimat: i heard it does from jason |
| 19:10:32 | kergoth | chouimat: thats the 6-in-one right? |
| 19:10:37 | kergoth | chouimat: or just cf |
| 19:10:57 | George- | that's it |
| 19:11:03 | George- | I *need* to compile KDE CVS |
| 19:11:05 | ljp | I'd patch opie to run on the vercel... but.... |
| 19:11:07 | George- | Before I go mental |
| 19:11:20 | ljp | you arent already? |
| 19:11:45 | chouimat | kergoth: both? |
| 19:11:57 | chouimat | kergoth: if the cf one work it's ok |
| 19:12:01 | ljp | too bad opie/qtopia doesnt forward the gui |
| 19:12:28 | George- | ljp: I KNEW you'd say that |
| 19:12:43 | ljp | :D I'm so predictable |
| 19:15:23 | George- | rofl |
| 19:25:36 | chouimat | kergoth: it work. and for the 6-in-1 only the CF work |
| 19:32:32 | NoGoodNick | I guess you can only use the cf card to update the ROM at this point? |
| 19:33:07 | SmBJ | yeah |
| 19:34:26 | NoGoodNick | When I first bought the zaurus, I tried to update the first weekend by using the cradle (per the manual) and screwed it all up. |
| 19:35:04 | SmBJ | heh |
| 19:36:03 | NoGoodNick | I haven't tried since, even though I have a cf card now. |
| 19:37:57 | [George] | waaaa |
| 19:38:20 | SmBJ | [George]: you still using gentooppc? |
| 19:38:29 | [George] | hell no |
| 19:38:31 | SmBJ | ? |
| 19:38:33 | SmBJ | whatcha using? |
| 19:38:40 | [George] | YDL all the way |
| 19:38:44 | SmBJ | hah |
| 19:38:54 | SmBJ | ..why? |
| 19:39:30 | [George] | cos it works |
| 19:39:34 | SmBJ | well.. if the great george is using YDL maybe I will too. |
| 19:40:13 | George- | lol. "The great george"? |
| 19:40:18 | nadav | shrugs |
| 19:44:13 | chouimat | YDL? |
| 19:45:57 | George- | Yellow Dog Linux |
| 19:46:27 | chouimat | George-: ok |
| 19:47:08 | hardwire | YDL |
| 19:47:17 | hardwire | from Loveland Colorado |
| 19:47:21 | hardwire | thats where I am from |
| 19:47:22 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:47:34 | hardwire | I am 20 miles away from it right now |
| 19:47:39 | hardwire | and buy.. is it a stupid place |
| 19:48:41 | ljp | hmm not as silly as Lognmont |
| 19:48:49 | ljp | err frogmont |
| 19:49:00 | chouimat | ljp:?? |
| 19:49:14 | ljp | Frogmont is where I live |
| 19:49:29 | ljp | about 20 minutes from loveland |
| 19:49:55 | chouimat | ljp: tought you were speak about the name |
| 19:50:59 | ljp | oh. .its actually Longmont, its Boulder, alter ego |
| 19:52:58 | NoGoodNick | is away: I'm busy or something... |
| 20:16:59 | ljp | anyone have a spare furby? that works? |
| 20:20:02 | George- | lol |
| 20:20:08 | George- | ljp is desperate for love ;) |
| 20:21:10 | chouimat | yesssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my cat now bring back to me the ball |
| 20:21:18 | George- | rofl |
| 20:21:48 | chouimat | George-: I had nothing to do this afternoon so I trained my cat |
| 20:22:19 | mjn3 | kergoth: cool. lxtools runs on the Z. :-) |
| 20:22:30 | kergoth | hah, sweet |
| 20:22:54 | chouimat | mjn3: is this usefull? |
| 20:24:27 | ljp | no, I want to control furby with this vercel |
| 20:25:10 | Com[Plex] | hey NeoTron: you around? |
| 20:28:04 | mjn3 | chouimat: only if you have an old HP 100LX or 200LX palmtop. i'll probably put an old version of kermit on it so that i can have a very portable serial terminal for the Z |
| 20:28:46 | NoGoodNick | is back (gone 00:35:48) |
| 20:32:03 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 22 hours, 49 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: im outta ehre [Fri Sep 27 22:42:21 2002] |
| 20:32:03 | jbardin | ibot seen sniper |
| 20:32:45 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 20:32:45 | George- | ibot eat sniper |
| 20:33:12 | W|GGL|T | sugar make me a pina colada |
| 20:33:12 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of pina colada, pours it into a glass, which she hands W|GGL|T. |
| 20:33:48 | George- | sugar make me a god |
| 20:35:10 | ljp | ewwww thats a horrbile way of making a pina colada |
| 20:42:38 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 21:03:51 | W|GGL|T | grrr...haven't used my Z in at least a week...turn it on and can't ping it or vnc...wtf |
| 21:04:29 | George- | ? |
| 21:07:10 | ljp | needs a chanrge? |
| 21:07:15 | ljp | charge |
| 21:40:57 | chouimat | hi |
| 21:43:07 | chouimat | ciaolinux: ping |
| 21:46:17 | oldlibmike | has anyone got email working with IMAP on the zaurus? |
| 21:51:36 | chouimat | any interest in a Tandy Color Computer 3 emulator for the Z |
| 21:52:40 | noda | oldlibmike: I've read an email or two, but it's nowhere near a complete program :) |
| 21:52:54 | noda | oldlibmike: Only with opie-mail2 (openzaurus-only I think) |
| 21:53:21 | | preempt is, like, see preempt kernel |
| 21:53:21 | treke|home | ibot, preempt? |
| 21:53:28 | | preempt kernel is http://handhelds.org/feeds/2.4.18-preempt/ |
| 21:53:28 | treke|home | ibot, preempt kernel? |
| 21:53:46 | oldlibmike | ahhh haven't played with openzaurus yet - I like the java vm |
| 21:54:56 | noda | treke|home: Does that kernel work with the Z? |
| 21:55:01 | treke|home | noda: no |
| 21:55:30 | oldlibmike | noda: I'm using Univ of Wash IMAP on my mail server and the zaurus mail prog pulls every file into mail from my home directory on the mail server, not just mail |
| 21:56:40 | noda | oldlibmike: Yeah, it simply doesn't work properly. I know. |
| 21:57:51 | oldlibmike | noda: oh well, just hoping...have to watch for ports of kmail or the like...thanks. For now I telnet and resort to pine! |
| 22:47:46 | prpplague | kergoth: hey! |
| 22:48:15 | prpplague | kergoth: its official, the backpack is functional, 1000ma battery and barcode scanner! |
| 22:48:51 | MS_away | barcode scanner??? |
| 22:49:07 | MS_away | CF or serial? |
| 22:50:26 | prpplague | MS_away: serial through the i/o connector |
| 22:50:42 | MS_away | sweet |
| 22:50:44 | prpplague | MS_away: the cf slot gets a 802.11b card |
| 22:51:12 | MS_away | hehe..sounds like you're trying to replace something from symbol:) |
| 22:51:33 | chouimat | hi |
| 22:51:41 | prpplague | MS_away: ya, i don't care for symbols prices..... |
| 22:51:56 | prpplague | MS_away: $2800 for an ipaq with a barcode scanner is just insane |
| 22:52:24 | chouimat | prpplague: what????? |
| 22:53:11 | MS_away | prpplague: sure is:) |
| 22:53:13 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_ppc_ppt2800.html |
| 22:53:37 | MS_away | I think it'd be neat if symbol or intermec decided to make a linux based product |
| 22:53:56 | MS_away | I've been getting some grumblings from intermec about that |
| 22:54:02 | prpplague | MS_away: ya i've tried very hard to get intermec to let me port linux to the series 700 |
| 22:54:02 | mark | looks cool though |
| 22:54:30 | MS_away | that would be great |
| 22:54:44 | prpplague | MS_away: basically intermec told me "get with the rest of the world and us m$" |
| 22:54:49 | MS_away | the company I work for will be using the Z in a moderate industrial environment |
| 22:55:11 | chouimat | prpplague: ass holes |
| 22:55:15 | prpplague | MS_away: oh ya? what kinda work? |
| 22:55:18 | MS_away | was that befor or after the Z was released? |
| 22:55:40 | MS_away | prpplague: we sell a industrial vibration measurement instrument |
| 22:55:41 | prpplague | MS_away: about 6 weeks ago |
| 22:55:51 | prpplague | MS_away: cool |
| 22:56:11 | MS_away | hrm |
| 22:56:25 | MS_away | I htink they are seattle based, we might have to bring it up with them |
| 22:56:37 | prpplague | MS_away: i should be able to mass produce this backpack for around $350 |
| 22:56:51 | MS_away | excellent |
| 22:56:54 | mark | prpplague: gotta pic? |
| 22:57:16 | MS_away | too bad our device is connected through the serial port |
| 22:57:18 | prpplague | mark: sorry just finished, and my camera is at the office |
| 22:57:27 | prpplague | mark: i'll get something up monday |
| 22:57:29 | mark | prpplague: np |
| 22:57:31 | mark | cool |
| 22:57:37 | mark | just my curioisity :) |
| 22:57:46 | MS_away | I suppose we could mux the two...hrm...I'll have to consider this more |
| 22:58:03 | prpplague | mark: you got another serial device? |
| 22:58:21 | prpplague | oop, that was for MS_away |
| 22:58:21 | mark | prpplague: nope |
| 22:58:23 | mark | lol |
| 22:58:38 | prpplague | MS_away: your vibration data collector serial too? |
| 22:58:42 | MS_away | prpplague: yeah, the data acquision piece |
| 22:59:23 | prpplague | MS_away: ahh, ya you'd have to use a pic or something and mux it, how big is the actual hardware pcb? |
| 23:00:03 | MS_away | fairly large at this point |
| 23:00:15 | MS_away | 'bout the size ofthe Z, but twice as thick |
| 23:00:43 | MS_away | did you hack the serial cable? or buy the Hosiden connectors? |
| 23:01:24 | prpplague | MS_away: i hacked a cradle and yanked the interface board |
| 23:01:34 | MS_away | ahh |
| 23:01:40 | [George] | prpplague: ? |
| 23:01:48 | mark | [George]: you should be in bed |
| 23:01:49 | [George] | prpplague: so the keyboard could be opened? |
| 23:02:01 | MS_away | Hosiden will sell ya the connectors...min 1500 $2 each 11weeks lead |
| 23:02:03 | [George] | mark: who says i'm not... |
| 23:02:06 | prpplague | MS_away: well, right now, your board would probably fit, i've left lots of room |
| 23:02:11 | mark | [George]: lol |
| 23:02:17 | prpplague | [George]: ya the keyboard can be opened |
| 23:02:21 | [George] | mark: wlan is a wonderful technology |
| 23:02:27 | chouimat | [George]: bed is not for computing |
| 23:02:29 | [George] | prpplague: pictures? |
| 23:03:00 | prpplague | [George]: sorry just finished, nothing yet |
| 23:03:24 | MS_away | prpplague: well, thanks for the info. I gotta run, but I'll prolly get in touch with you later |
| 23:03:32 | prpplague | MS_away: ok later |
| 23:03:36 | NeoTron | is around. |
| 23:18:10 | prpplague | George-: well, its passed its first test! my 5 year son has been scanning barcodes for almost 10 minutes......... |
| 23:18:24 | George- | prpplague: what did? |
| 23:18:39 | prpplague | George-: the backpack |
| 23:18:58 | George- | ? |
| 23:19:20 | ljp | you mean goerge is your son? ;) |
| 23:19:22 | prpplague | George-: what were talking about a few minutes ago, i.e. the serial modification |
| 23:19:31 | George- | ok |
| 23:19:34 | George- | ljp: shut it :) |
| 23:19:37 | ljp | :D |
| 23:19:40 | ljp | jk |
| 23:19:42 | prpplague | ljp: lol |
| 23:19:48 | ljp | I know your not 5 |
| 23:19:53 | George- | My Z should be arriving in a few days :) |
| 23:19:57 | NeoTron | builds a new RocketElite |
| 23:19:58 | ljp | nice |
| 23:19:59 | George- | Sniper fedex'd it yesterday |
| 23:20:05 | prpplague | is way tooo excited at his creation |
| 23:20:08 | George- | he bloody forgot to send it, I had to remind him :) |
| 23:20:14 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:20:25 | George- | "Whats your name?" |
| 23:20:28 | George- | "George Wright" |
| 23:20:33 | George- | "SHIT! I forgot to send it" |
| 23:20:41 | ljp | hehe |
| 23:20:48 | ljp | its being sent to me |
| 23:20:51 | George- | typical :) |
| 23:22:27 | chouimat | do I bought a USB compact flash reader? I have in another box a IDE adpator for CF |
| 23:24:55 | prpplague | chouimat: if you are going to alot of embedded/pda development, i suggest you investion in a pcmcia bay that goes in your dev box, it fits into a standard 3.5 bay and can use either a isa or pci slot, they run about $75USD, makes life much better |
| 23:26:40 | chouimat | prpplague: I do embedded development with other box, the case is open |
| 23:26:44 | chouimat | prpplague: pcmcia bay need IDE? |
| 23:34:41 | prpplague | chouimat: no, its like adding a pcmcia bay from a laptop, hot swapable |
| 23:35:15 | prpplague | chouimat: thats the drawback to using a ide2cf adapter, you have to power on the system down to swap the cf card |
| 23:39:53 | chouimat | prpplague: I know I allready do this for embedded development on a test station, need to swap ad0 and ad2 (CF card) |
| 23:41:01 | chouimat | prpplague: ok no PCI slot free :( |
| 23:57:32 | chouimat | hi Cloudchaser |
| 23:58:28 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 23:58:57 | ljp | hey cloudy |
