| 00:00:45 | tux_mike_ | small, usually 8bit. read your jargon |
| 00:02:57 | fatbum | hola friends |
| 00:03:21 | | oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 00:03:21 | fatbum | ibot oz faq |
| 00:05:20 | | rumour has it oz feed is see oz3 feed |
| 00:05:20 | fatbum | ibot oz feed |
| 00:05:27 | | i heard oz3 feed was at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 00:05:27 | fatbum | ibot oz3 feed |
| 00:05:41 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: gone :\ |
| 00:05:49 | Onyx4 | don't use the current OZ feed |
| 00:05:54 | Onyx4 | it's evil |
| 00:06:30 | Onyx4 | we're hoping to get OZ 2.9.7 released this weekend |
| 00:07:00 | fatbum | sweet! |
| 00:07:15 | Onyx4 | we have a test feed if you want to either get a new initrd or upgrade manually |
| 00:07:20 | Onyx4 | I can give you access |
| 00:07:35 | Onyx4 | we're looking for testing to find minor last minute bugs |
| 00:07:50 | fatbum | yay yay |
| 00:07:53 | fatbum | initrd way |
| 00:07:58 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 00:08:05 | fatbum | leaps with joy |
| 00:22:20 | chouimat | re |
| 00:22:48 | kergoth` | hey chouimat |
| 00:23:21 | WormHOME | hey kergoth |
| 00:23:28 | kergoth` | hey |
| 00:23:29 | chouimat | hey kergoth` |
| 00:23:30 | kergoth` | how goes it |
| 00:23:35 | DaWorm | not bad |
| 00:23:44 | DaWorm | i got a question though |
| 00:24:08 | chouimat | kergoth: whant to kill the guys next door. I hate Reggae |
| 00:24:22 | kergoth` | chouimat: ahh |
| 00:24:24 | kergoth` | DaWorm: whats up |
| 00:24:54 | [DrEvil] | growls at kergoth |
| 00:25:02 | DaWorm | i just installed rh 7.3 to replace my work environment |
| 00:25:11 | DaWorm | although i haven't bought a cf card yet |
| 00:25:22 | DaWorm | i was wondering how to work usb networking on the box |
| 00:25:28 | DaWorm | to sync at least on qtopia desktop |
| 00:25:31 | [DrEvil] | you keep moving the sources around |
| 00:25:35 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: ? |
| 00:25:42 | fatbum | DaWorm you have usb net working in oz b4? |
| 00:25:48 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: yeah, few days ago changed that, now they're all in the individual app dirs |
| 00:25:55 | DaWorm | nope |
| 00:25:59 | kergoth` | fatbum: usb networking should work fine in oz |
| 00:26:02 | kergoth` | fatbum: read the faq? |
| 00:26:09 | DaWorm | i'm using 2.38 now |
| 00:26:09 | fatbum | a few times |
| 00:26:20 | fatbum | oh DaWorm |
| 00:26:23 | fatbum | esta bien |
| 00:26:32 | DaWorm | teehee |
| 00:26:42 | kryhme | well i'm gonna migrate back to the sharp rom, package everything up and then move back..... is 2.38 the latest Sharp ROM? |
| 00:26:59 | [DrEvil] | -rw-r--r-- 1 william william 27162991 Sep 22 12:22 ./packages/kernel/linux-2.4.6.tar.gz |
| 00:27:07 | fatbum | hey kergoth what kernel is oz 2.9.7? |
| 00:27:10 | [DrEvil] | there is where I had my already downloaded copy of the kernel |
| 00:27:15 | [DrEvil] | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15299200 Sep 25 17:40 ./sources/linux-2.4.6.tar.gz |
| 00:27:21 | [DrEvil] | that is where it was downloading to |
| 00:27:23 | kergoth` | fatbum: 2.4.6 by default |
| 00:27:24 | fatbum | utilizing |
| 00:27:28 | fatbum | default? |
| 00:27:36 | kergoth` | fatbum: i have a 2.4.7 kernel, it works, but no irda yet |
| 00:27:42 | kergoth` | fatbum: and 2.4.19 and 2.5.latest are on the way |
| 00:27:43 | DaWorm | 2.38 is the latest from sharp |
| 00:27:46 | kergoth` | fatbum: if i can ever find time |
| 00:28:05 | fatbum | ill give you time |
| 00:28:11 | kryhme | thanks worm] |
| 00:28:19 | fatbum | hands time to kergoth |
| 00:28:25 | [DrEvil] | why is it downloading the kernel to that dir? |
| 00:29:04 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: all the sources are downloaded in sources/ |
| 00:29:14 | angry | leaves to get his ass kicked in bzflag |
| 00:29:17 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: and patches that are in bk residein packages/blah/ |
| 00:30:28 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 00:30:29 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 00:30:52 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: it shoudlnt be downloading it to packages/kernel/ |
| 00:31:02 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 00:31:21 | [DrEvil] | that was where it originally tried to download to when I first tried this new fangled system |
| 00:31:26 | [DrEvil] | so I put the kernel file in there |
| 00:47:36 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 00:49:21 | kergoth` | mutters |
| 00:53:55 | AntiProxy | hi everyone |
| 00:54:43 | AntiProxy | does anyone have billiardZ installed ( and working ? ) |
| 00:58:14 | Fatbum | hey kergoth in 2.5.7 i was in advanced fm and was holding down the stylus to select a file, and advfm crashed |
| 00:58:47 | tux_mike_ | anti: it depends on a lot of FP math, therefore is very slow |
| 00:59:14 | AntiProxy | tux_mike_: ignoring the speed.. i`m trying to get it to work on my iPAQ running opie.. |
| 00:59:20 | AntiProxy | it starts.. i can aim.. but cant take a shot |
| 00:59:45 | AntiProxy | so i was wondering how the controls worked ( no README or any other documentation provided.. except for the sources ) |
| 01:02:15 | Sniper | hello |
| 01:02:25 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 3 hours, 4 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: honey: hehe [Wed Sep 25 22:57:26 2002] |
| 01:02:25 | Fatbum | ibot seen kergoth |
| 01:02:38 | | kergoth`bbl was last seen on #picogui 42 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: DevGirl: sleep [Thu Sep 26 01:20:23 2002] |
| 01:02:38 | Fatbum | ibot seen kergoth`bbl |
| 01:02:47 | Fatbum | hrmm |
| 01:02:53 | | i guess fatbum is on crack or lost or something |
| 01:02:53 | Sniper | ibot fatbum |
| 01:03:08 | Fatbum | thanks ibot |
| 01:03:14 | Sniper | haha |
| 01:03:23 | | okay, Fatbum. |
| 01:03:23 | Fatbum | ibot i am also stoned |
| 01:03:27 | | hmmm... Fatbum is on crack or lost or something or stoned |
| 01:03:27 | Fatbum | ibot me |
| 01:03:32 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:03:33 | Fatbum | it goes on |
| 01:03:51 | Sniper | who are you fatbum? i dont think ive seen you on |
| 01:04:06 | Fatbum | im always here |
| 01:04:15 | Sniper | really? i guess i never talked with you before |
| 01:04:18 | Fatbum | check it |
| 01:04:19 | | you are on crack or lost or something or stoned or whack or drunk or longestdescriptioneveronibotisrighthere |
| 01:04:19 | Fatbum | ibot me |
| 01:04:26 | Fatbum | haha |
| 01:04:29 | | Fatbum: I forgot me |
| 01:04:29 | Fatbum | ibot forget me |
| 01:04:32 | | Fatbum? |
| 01:04:32 | Fatbum | ibot |
| 01:04:36 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:04:39 | | it has been said that Fatbum is on crack or lost or something or stoned or whack or drunk or longestdescriptioneveronibotisrighthere |
| 01:04:39 | Fatbum | ibot me |
| 01:04:44 | | Fatbum: i'm not following you... |
| 01:04:44 | Fatbum | ibot lose fatbum |
| 01:04:46 | | somebody said Sniper was a Sharp marketing slave |
| 01:04:46 | Sniper | ibot me |
| 01:04:47 | Fatbum | lose him good! |
| 01:04:47 | cranch | any new OZ news? |
| 01:04:55 | | tux_mike_: I forgot fatbum |
| 01:04:55 | tux_mike_ | ibot forget fatbum |
| 01:05:00 | Fatbum | cranch 2.5.7 may be released this wkend |
| 01:05:06 | | OK, tux_mike_. |
| 01:05:06 | tux_mike_ | ibot fatbum is major lossage |
| 01:05:21 | tux_mike_ | :) |
| 01:05:36 | | ...but sniper is a Sharp marketing slave... |
| 01:05:36 | Sniper | ibot Sniper is going to be shipping 70 units to developers.. he needs help |
| 01:05:40 | Sniper | darn |
| 01:05:46 | Sniper | ibmt forget Sniper |
| 01:05:52 | | Sniper: I forgot sniper |
| 01:05:52 | Sniper | ibot forget sniper |
| 01:06:00 | cranch | thats cool Fatbum |
| 01:06:14 | | Sniper: i'm not following you... |
| 01:06:14 | Sniper | ibot Sniper needs help shipping 70 units |
| 01:06:18 | Sniper | DAMN |
| 01:06:22 | | OK, Sniper. |
| 01:06:22 | Sniper | ibot Sniper is angry |
| 01:06:25 | | i think sniper is angry |
| 01:06:25 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 01:06:38 | Fatbum | cranch im using it now |
| 01:06:47 | | ...but sniper is angry... |
| 01:06:47 | Sniper | ibot Sniper is hungry. sniper needs food.. badly |
| 01:06:48 | Fatbum | and i tried to tell kerg a bug, but he aint here |
| 01:07:23 | cranch | working well? |
| 01:07:30 | Sniper | heh |
| 01:07:55 | Fatbum | cranch i guess |
| 01:07:59 | Fatbum | as well as it could work |
| 01:09:16 | Fatbum | what web browser peeps use in oz/ |
| 01:11:02 | cranch | thats cool... |
| 01:11:07 | cranch | I wish I could use Opera |
| 01:12:12 | Fatbum | cant? |
| 01:12:56 | ljp | whats a web browser? |
| 01:12:58 | Fatbum | oipkg works! |
| 01:13:00 | Fatbum | cool |
| 01:13:11 | Fatbum | badass more than cool |
| 01:13:22 | Fatbum | ooh and a status bar |
| 01:14:15 | Sniper | aight dude.. later |
| 01:14:45 | Sniper | ouch |
| 01:16:47 | fatszaurus | well woot |
| 01:16:58 | fatszaurus | on the z! |
| 01:17:18 | Fatbum | test |
| 01:17:20 | fatszaurus | test |
| 01:17:22 | fatszaurus | hehe |
| 01:17:27 | | fatszaurus: what? |
| 01:17:27 | fatszaurus | ibot kill fatbum |
| 01:17:34 | fatszaurus | kill him! |
| 01:17:46 | fatszaurus | i should be able to do anything on the z! |
| 01:18:01 | fatszaurus | this thing sucks any! want it? |
| 01:18:11 | Fatbum | k back to physics |
| 01:18:12 | treke|ho2e | fatszaurus: sure. send it to me |
| 01:20:37 | Fatbum | k treke|ho2e will you pay shipping? |
| 01:21:57 | Fatbum | ok fine no deal |
| 01:21:58 | treke|ho2e | Fatbum: sure. how much? |
| 01:22:05 | Fatbum | nah too late man |
| 01:22:22 | Fatbum | that plus i will never sell my z! |
| 01:22:24 | Fatbum | woot |
| 01:22:24 | treke|ho2e | man. now I'll have to go and steal it from you |
| 01:22:28 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:22:29 | Fatbum | take it |
| 01:22:34 | Fatbum | i dont want i ;) |
| 01:22:34 | treke|ho2e | who said anything about selling your zaurus? :) |
| 01:22:42 | treke|ho2e | I thought you were gonna give it to me |
| 01:22:44 | Fatbum | :-D |
| 01:22:52 | Fatbum | ok ill never get rid of it |
| 01:22:53 | Fatbum | k? |
| 01:23:01 | Fatbum | i think i need a new one tho |
| 01:23:04 | treke|ho2e | darn |
| 01:23:06 | Fatbum | i screwd up my battery i think |
| 01:23:35 | treke|ho2e | sucks. |
| 01:24:25 | Fatbum | want the battery? |
| 01:24:37 | Fatbum | man |
| 01:24:44 | Fatbum | my taskbar is like gone.... |
| 01:24:55 | Fatbum | i have the write select and the o-menu |
| 01:24:58 | Fatbum | but no applets |
| 01:25:34 | Fatbum | dude the apperance app is startin to kick ass |
| 01:26:13 | | opiefaq is http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/FrequentlyAskedQuestions |
| 01:26:13 | treke|ho2e | ibot, opiefaq? |
| 01:26:22 | | Fatbum: excuse me? |
| 01:26:22 | Fatbum | ibot oz4 |
| 01:26:25 | treke|ho2e | Fatbum: read the faq |
| 01:26:26 | | Fatbum: sorry... |
| 01:26:26 | Fatbum | ibot oz 4 |
| 01:26:27 | treke|ho2e | :) |
| 01:27:07 | fatszaurus | i said w0000t |
| 01:30:06 | Fatbum | only thing....2.5.7 oz has some wild login screen |
| 01:30:55 | Fatbum | thatd be oz |
| 01:38:13 | ljp | whats a login screen? |
| 01:53:55 | Fatbum | ljp the login screen like makes you login |
| 01:53:55 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:53:55 | Fatbum | well... |
| 01:53:55 | Fatbum | it doesnt really do anything i reckon |
| 01:53:57 | ljp | it will] |
| 01:57:07 | DaWorm | wow |
| 01:57:12 | DaWorm | tkcOggRipper looks nice |
| 01:57:23 | DaWorm | and simple too |
| 02:01:49 | Fatbum | riiiiight |
| 02:02:28 | Mantus | is i a z app? |
| 02:02:35 | Fatbum | yep |
| 02:02:48 | Fatbum | oops |
| 02:02:50 | Fatbum | my bad |
| 02:02:51 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 02:02:54 | DaWorm | oh |
| 02:02:55 | DaWorm | crap |
| 02:02:56 | Mantus | why would you need top rip ogg on a z |
| 02:02:56 | DaWorm | no |
| 02:02:59 | DaWorm | its a desktop app |
| 02:03:00 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:03:04 | DaWorm | my bad too |
| 02:03:13 | wsuff | i just play ogg on my z |
| 02:03:14 | Fatbum | yay me and DaWorm are dumb |
| 02:03:27 | wsuff | i just gotta make it so it don't suspend when i'm running ogg123 |
| 02:03:28 | DaWorm | i just installed it right now |
| 02:03:28 | wsuff | =) |
| 02:03:39 | DaWorm | and i think i saw a windows version too |
| 02:03:46 | Mantus | wstuff: use opie media player 2 |
| 02:03:49 | Fatbum | your right DaWorm |
| 02:04:04 | wsuff | Mantus: don't i hafta load the oz rom for opie |
| 02:04:38 | Mantus | wstuff: no, there are several ipks for the media player ... |
| 02:04:57 | wsuff | must of misread the site |
| 02:05:17 | wsuff | To run opie on the Zaurus, you have to flash the openzaurus rom |
| 02:05:17 | wsuff | OpenZaurus |
| 02:05:25 | Mantus | to run opie u need oz but not to run media player |
| 02:05:31 | wsuff | ah |
| 02:05:40 | wsuff | is tad sleepy |
| 02:05:41 | Mantus | opie replaces qtopia |
| 02:05:59 | wsuff | that's what i thought |
| 02:06:03 | Mantus | opie media player runs on the retail rom as well |
| 02:06:38 | DaWorm | no more memory issues? |
| 02:07:08 | Mantus | memory issues ... yes, it uses alot |
| 02:07:36 | Mantus | dont expect to run anything else |
| 02:08:03 | Mantus | thats why i use all 64MB of ram as system memory |
| 02:08:30 | Mantus | it will run though |
| 02:09:13 | wsuff | only see opie-mediaplayer_0.9.1-20020925_arm.ipk |
| 02:09:26 | kryhme | i'm still having trouble encoding the movies |
| 02:09:29 | kryhme | it's a pain |
| 02:09:34 | DaWorm | i think you still need the codecs |
| 02:09:52 | kryhme | like i wait and wait for it... and then when it's done the 700 meg movie turns out to be 20 k |
| 02:10:01 | kryhme | and it obviously won't play |
| 02:10:45 | Mantus | wstuff: http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/ |
| 02:10:58 | wsuff | why everyone spell it wstuff |
| 02:11:21 | Mantus | cuz im stewpid and cant read |
| 02:11:29 | dedd | better |
| 02:11:29 | dedd | =) |
| 02:11:49 | kryhme | i was calling whardire whardialer for like a week |
| 02:12:16 | Mantus | call him wargamesdialer |
| 02:12:19 | Mantus | :) |
| 02:12:38 | kryhme | speaking of wargames... anyone ever see 'hacking in the name of the KGB' |
| 02:12:45 | kryhme | it was a german filem |
| 02:12:47 | Mantus | nope |
| 02:12:47 | kryhme | film |
| 02:13:07 | Mantus | do they hack the gibson? |
| 02:13:14 | Mantus | ;) |
| 02:13:16 | kryhme | i was reading through this book which was like a picture book called 'the history of the computer' |
| 02:13:24 | kryhme | it was more of an art thing |
| 02:13:39 | kryhme | but they had a couple shots from this movie |
| 02:13:44 | kryhme | i was interested |
| 02:13:56 | kryhme | and i'm sure they hack plenty of gibsons |
| 02:14:16 | Mantus | heh |
| 02:14:21 | kryhme | that movie will still make me laugh |
| 02:15:01 | Mantus | its all about in-line skater vs skateboarders |
| 02:16:52 | kryhme | the system administrator of my high school used secret as the admin password... ' |
| 02:18:10 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:18:26 | | it has been said that oz update is http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 02:18:26 | Fatbum | ibot oz update |
| 02:18:35 | kryhme | does the Zaurus have bluetooth built in, or do you have to buy something? |
| 02:18:50 | W|GGL|T | you have to buy wifi |
| 02:18:59 | W|GGL|T | no bt built in |
| 02:19:11 | Mantus | kryhme: there is a sd bluetooth |
| 02:19:30 | Mantus | wifi != bluetooth |
| 02:19:37 | W|GGL|T | semantics |
| 02:19:40 | W|GGL|T | its wireless |
| 02:19:46 | kryhme | it's totally different though |
| 02:20:02 | DaWorm | isn't the zaurus not capable of sdio? |
| 02:20:12 | DaWorm | oh i made a double negative |
| 02:20:13 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:20:14 | W|GGL|T | if i read the specs, i'd see a difference, but to the avg user.... |
| 02:20:15 | Mantus | thats like saying winows is linux cuz they are both OSs |
| 02:20:40 | kryhme | that's like saying i am you because we are both people |
| 02:21:05 | W|GGL|T | i'd understand if i understand bluetooth, but i don't so i dont understand |
| 02:21:05 | kryhme | that's like saying gasoline is karo syurp because they are both liquid |
| 02:21:07 | Mantus | is an AI script |
| 02:21:08 | sig | this is a funny bot |
| 02:21:10 | sig | <slapnutz> sig: I chat with people on the Web. |
| 02:21:10 | sig | <sig> lol |
| 02:21:10 | sig | <sig> slapnutz: would you mind if I bent you over? |
| 02:21:10 | sig | <slapnutz> sig: No....not at all. |
| 02:21:11 | sig | <sig> lol |
| 02:21:11 | sig | <daEAGLEmon> lmao |
| 02:21:19 | W|GGL|T | i'll understand when i care to read about BT :o) |
| 02:21:26 | W|GGL|T | i don't so i wont' |
| 02:21:30 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 02:21:32 | sig | lol |
| 02:21:37 | sig | join my channel and look at this bot |
| 02:21:41 | sig | it is hilarious |
| 02:21:57 | W|GGL|T | what's your channel? #sig? |
| 02:22:02 | sig | W|GGL|T: i got apache working on this qnx boxen dude |
| 02:22:03 | Mantus | wishes apm was better |
| 02:22:06 | sig | #linuxdojo |
| 02:22:11 | W|GGL|T | this server? |
| 02:22:15 | sig | yeah |
| 02:22:53 | W|GGL|T | man, i wish i knew why qnx doesn't like my box :o( |
| 02:23:33 | Mantus | qnx = the borg |
| 02:23:34 | DaWorm | hrmmm |
| 02:23:37 | DaWorm | haha |
| 02:23:42 | DaWorm | yeah i like that analogy |
| 02:24:19 | W|GGL|T | you will be ASSimilated |
| 02:24:56 | DaWorm | i'll try out aethera |
| 02:24:57 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:40:00 | Fatbum | hey onyx |
| 02:40:23 | Fatbum | in advanced fm if you hold down the stylus down it crashes |
| 02:40:59 | Onyx4 | ah, yeah advanced fm was actually completely broken a couple of days ago |
| 02:41:07 | Onyx4 | but this is a bug in opie not OZ :) |
| 02:41:53 | Fatbum | i figured as much |
| 02:42:02 | Fatbum | how do i use themes? |
| 02:42:45 | Fatbum | liquid specifically |
| 02:43:43 | scanline | is back (gone 08:00:58) |
| 02:44:21 | Onyx4 | install opie-liquid, go into apperance and select it |
| 02:44:37 | Onyx4 | aqua color scheme works well with liquid too |
| 02:44:42 | Fatbum | i didnt find it last time |
| 02:44:47 | Fatbum | lemme try again |
| 02:52:07 | jbardin | does the Z support multiple threads? |
| 02:56:01 | treke|ho2e | kergoth: how difficult would it be to add jffs2 support to my desktops kernel |
| 02:56:01 | treke|ho2e | ? |
| 02:57:05 | br33zy | treke|ho2e: i think all you have to do is recompile your kernal.. |
| 02:57:16 | br33zy | treke|ho2e: i dont know if you could just compile it is a module.. |
| 02:57:23 | br33zy | but im guessing its embedded inside the kernel |
| 02:58:05 | treke|ho2e | I see it now |
| 02:58:15 | treke|ho2e | I had to enable mtd devices |
| 02:59:15 | jbardin | gah xerces xml library is 3 megs big... |
| 02:59:29 | jbardin | i think its more than i need for an outliner though |
| 03:03:16 | Com[Plex] | anyon ehre buy rocketelite yet? |
| 03:03:24 | Com[Plex] | uh, I mean, interstellar flame |
| 03:03:31 | Com[Plex] | I bought it yesterday, cna t get it to run |
| 03:03:31 | Com[Plex] | :< |
| 03:08:01 | jbardin | is it possible to load java objects in c++ |
| 03:27:42 | NeoTron | jbardin: short answer: Yes. Long answer: I can't tell you how. I can tell you that using gcj you can mix java code with C/C++ code |
| 03:27:47 | NeoTron | or at least with C++ |
| 03:31:24 | dragorn | Anyone have suggestions for a reliable way to make ipk's? I've tried the ipkg scripts (the ipk works but won't show up in the qtopia software installer on sharp or ipaq), I've tried manualy making it with tar (reported to work fine on ipaq, blows up with errors on sharp that shouldn't happen...) |
| 03:32:06 | hardwire | http://www.robotfrank.com/lost4.jpg |
| 03:32:07 | hardwire | ninjanap |
| 03:35:01 | Fatbum | kergoth you here? |
| 03:35:16 | Fatbum | or someone who works on oz? |
| 03:35:36 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 03:36:58 | Fatbum | all my applets, including time is gone |
| 03:36:59 | hardwire | whats new Fatbum |
| 03:37:04 | hardwire | o |
| 03:37:12 | hardwire | thats an opie issue.. please consult God |
| 03:37:22 | Fatbum | um |
| 03:37:25 | Fatbum | no fix? |
| 03:37:31 | hardwire | I dunno |
| 03:37:33 | hardwire | heh |
| 03:37:37 | hardwire | does not use opie much |
| 03:40:45 | Fatbum | ljp you here? |
| 03:41:20 | hardwire | ljp is visiting God |
| 03:46:05 | Com[Plex] | NeoTron: your from eongames, right? |
| 03:46:20 | NeoTron | more correctly put, I AM Eon Games |
| 03:46:25 | Com[Plex] | okay :> |
| 03:46:42 | Com[Plex] | I have a 5000d, and I bought IF yesterday, and I cant get it to run |
| 03:47:04 | Com[Plex] | the demo worked with a little fenagling, but so far, not th full version |
| 03:47:10 | Com[Plex] | running qpe |
| 03:47:13 | NeoTron | ok, so question 1: free space? |
| 03:47:15 | NeoTron | :) |
| 03:47:18 | Com[Plex] | plenty |
| 03:47:23 | NeoTron | internal? |
| 03:47:24 | Com[Plex] | I reflashed today |
| 03:47:26 | Com[Plex] | it installs |
| 03:47:28 | NeoTron | ok |
| 03:47:30 | Com[Plex] | tried both SD and internal |
| 03:47:36 | NeoTron | well, it might install even w/o enough space... |
| 03:47:42 | NeoTron | did you install eon-libsdl? |
| 03:47:47 | Com[Plex] | yes I did |
| 03:47:56 | NeoTron | hrm |
| 03:47:59 | NeoTron | run it from konsole? |
| 03:48:08 | Com[Plex] | hang on, ILl try that |
| 03:48:18 | NeoTron | and then we can compare md5sum of the data file.. |
| 03:48:46 | NeoTron | : 0 neotron@stellar md5sum if.dat lib/if/ |
| 03:48:46 | NeoTron | f9c6b04544f338bc0651f7bc8154c2c9 if.dat |
| 03:48:46 | NeoTron | : 0 neotron@stellar cksum if.dat lib/if/ |
| 03:48:46 | NeoTron | 726946288 3745339 if.dat |
| 03:48:59 | NeoTron | (file == $QPEDIR/lib/if/if.dat |
| 03:49:00 | NeoTron | ) |
| 03:49:56 | Onyx4 | Fatbum: did you ethernet card work on OZ? |
| 03:51:05 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 03:51:31 | Com[Plex] | it says /lib/if/if not found when running from console. |
| 03:51:40 | Com[Plex] | the dat files there, but the binary isnt |
| 03:52:33 | NeoTron | QPEDIR/lib/if/if doesn't exist? (and QPEDIR is set correctly?) |
| 03:53:10 | Com[Plex] | qpedir is set to /home/QtPalmtop |
| 03:53:41 | Com[Plex] | why do people insist on using /opt/Qtopia? |
| 03:54:03 | NeoTron | because theer are like 3 differnet paths available |
| 03:54:18 | NeoTron | I use /opt/QtPalmtop as described in whatever Qt ipk howto I read |
| 03:54:25 | treke|ho2e | prefers /opt/QtPalmtop |
| 03:54:28 | treke|ho2e | more portable |
| 03:54:31 | Com[Plex] | right, and the qpe ipkg manager doesnt handle them right unless its /home/QtPalmtop |
| 03:54:38 | NeoTron | in either case, /home/QtPalmtop/lib/if/ only has if.dat and no if? |
| 03:54:46 | Com[Plex] | corect neo |
| 03:54:49 | NeoTron | s/home/opt/ |
| 03:54:54 | Com[Plex] | the uipk was wrong |
| 03:55:11 | Com[Plex] | the howto was wrong. |
| 03:55:21 | NeoTron | my ipks work, trust me |
| 03:55:29 | Com[Plex] | hehe, not when isntalling to sd |
| 03:55:33 | NeoTron | so far I haven't seen them not work on any specific setup |
| 03:55:36 | NeoTron | oh yes they do |
| 03:55:36 | Com[Plex] | wanna vnc and watch? |
| 03:55:44 | NeoTron | your system is broken if it doesn't work |
| 03:55:48 | Com[Plex] | hahah |
| 03:55:55 | NeoTron | OpenZaurus? |
| 03:56:03 | Com[Plex] | SD is formatted to ext2fs |
| 03:56:06 | Com[Plex] | running qpe |
| 03:56:08 | Com[Plex] | not oz |
| 03:56:21 | NeoTron | if /opt/QtPalmtop installs doesn't work, nothing works. trust me on that one |
| 03:56:31 | NeoTron | and I have installed to both CF and SD with OPIE and Qtopia |
| 03:56:38 | NeoTron | on SL-5000 and SL-A300 |
| 03:56:51 | NeoTron | so don't tell me it doesn't work because it does, really. |
| 03:57:41 | NeoTron | and btw, you said the demo worked. It looks EXACTLY the same as the full version in terms pf paths |
| 03:57:49 | NeoTron | except that it's lib/if_demo rather |
| 03:58:01 | Com[Plex] | okay, one more time: if you dont create the directory structure of /home/QtPalmtop in the data.tar.gz, then when you tell the graphical ipkg manager for QPE to install to SD< it will say "Ipkg says something went wrong" |
| 03:58:13 | NeoTron | no |
| 03:58:17 | NeoTron | that's due to something else |
| 03:58:24 | Com[Plex] | liek what? |
| 03:58:27 | Com[Plex] | out of the box |
| 03:58:30 | NeoTron | run qinstall from console and see for yourself |
| 03:58:38 | Com[Plex] | qinstall ? |
| 03:58:43 | NeoTron | the graphical installer |
| 03:58:55 | Com[Plex] | yeah and? |
| 03:59:08 | Com[Plex] | how is it different from clicking the button? |
| 03:59:11 | NeoTron | and look at the errors generated by it |
| 03:59:16 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 03:59:19 | NeoTron | you get to see stdout/stderr |
| 03:59:22 | NeoTron | from ipkg etc |
| 03:59:34 | NeoTron | perhaps you're having SD problems |
| 03:59:58 | NeoTron | btw, the demo use the same structure, and is about the same installed size |
| 03:59:58 | Com[Plex] | thats bullshit |
| 04:00:11 | Com[Plex] | I had to install the demo manually. per file |
| 04:00:26 | Com[Plex] | as long as the ipk is uilt right, I have zero problems installing to sd |
| 04:00:49 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: who do you think knows this better? You, or me with a large number of released commercial games with plenty of users that have no problems |
| 04:00:57 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 04:01:26 | NeoTron | I don't want to sound superiour or arrogant, but I have a lot more experience in building ipkgs. you are the first one with a problem like this. |
| 04:01:28 | Com[Plex] | hey, im not dissing your competance. Im just saying, your lowing me off, because you think you know it better than I do. |
| 04:01:43 | NeoTron | no, I'm trying to tell you that the problem is not in the ipk |
| 04:01:45 | Com[Plex] | woopty fucking doo. I have been repairing bunk ipks since I got my z in january |
| 04:01:46 | NeoTron | because it's not |
| 04:02:24 | NeoTron | these ipks are made using the verifying ipk script and has been installed in a number of environments including on SD in OpenZaurus running OPIE |
| 04:02:33 | Com[Plex] | look. I like your games. they rule,. I ought bustem and this one, and I plan on buying RE, I just want to get this working |
| 04:02:56 | NeoTron | and I am trying to help you but you insist saying that the problem is something it is not and really, it's not it |
| 04:03:11 | NeoTron | you also said about installing to ram didn't work either for that matter |
| 04:03:30 | Com[Plex] | no no - it installs: but then doesnt run |
| 04:03:45 | Com[Plex] | im gonna reinstall it from qinstall |
| 04:03:52 | Com[Plex] | to sd: one second |
| 04:04:28 | hardwire | I just moved /opt to SD |
| 04:04:33 | NeoTron | did you check if lib/if/if is there? and size/checksum of lib/if/if.dat? |
| 04:04:35 | hardwire | and linked it back to / |
| 04:04:40 | hardwire | that works great IMHO |
| 04:05:00 | Speedy2 | re |
| 04:05:05 | Com[Plex] | I didnt cvheck the md5 sum, because the more obvious issue was the missing binary |
| 04:05:26 | Com[Plex] | I got the md5 in my notes tho, so Ill return to that |
| 04:05:47 | NeoTron | how much space do you have, as printed by 'df'? |
| 04:06:50 | Com[Plex] | mntram 3.9 megs |
| 04:07:02 | NeoTron | that's not enough |
| 04:07:10 | Com[Plex] | it was for the demo |
| 04:07:50 | NeoTron | the full version is a tad bigger |
| 04:08:05 | NeoTron | 100 KB bigger or so |
| 04:08:41 | Com[Plex] | I think I only have about 2.5 megs free when I played the demo |
| 04:08:48 | Com[Plex] | where does it need the space? |
| 04:08:50 | NeoTron | to be exact, it's 3812 KB |
| 04:08:51 | Com[Plex] | during install? |
| 04:08:52 | NeoTron | /tmp/ |
| 04:09:06 | NeoTron | you can install tmpramdisk |
| 04:09:21 | NeoTron | http://trolls.troll.no/warwick/nethack/ipk/tmpramdisk_1.5.0-2_arm.ipk |
| 04:09:32 | NeoTron | then /tmp/ will use a ramdisk and you'll have enough space |
| 04:09:44 | Com[Plex] | if I mkdir /mnt/car/tmp and then ln -s /mnt/card/tmp /tmp ; would that work? |
| 04:09:46 | NeoTron | and come to think about it, I should ship RocketElite and IF with that ipk |
| 04:09:50 | NeoTron | sure |
| 04:09:55 | NeoTron | it'd be slow as hell but would work |
| 04:09:56 | KhensU | i do that |
| 04:10:09 | Com[Plex] | just for isntalling, not for playing? |
| 04:10:12 | NeoTron | yes |
| 04:10:26 | NeoTron | ipkg, when installing to SD/CF, uninstalls in /tmp and then moves it |
| 04:10:42 | NeoTron | why it wouldn't install right onto SD/CF I have no fricking clue about |
| 04:11:16 | NeoTron | and add to that the fact that Zaurus default /tmp isn't a ramdisk (OpenZaurus is) and that the SL-5000 has too little memory to really be usable you have an issue |
| 04:11:39 | Com[Plex] | shit |
| 04:11:39 | Com[Plex] | /tmp is read only |
| 04:12:36 | Com[Plex] | when I packaged hancom I broke it up into parts, so I wouldnt have this problem |
| 04:14:25 | NeoTron | goes to the store. |
| 04:18:57 | NeoTron | is away: going to the store |
| 04:22:22 | Com[Plex] | the error message from qinstall is "tar: Bad Tar header, skipping" |
| 04:22:29 | Com[Plex] | over and over again |
| 04:22:48 | Com[Plex] | this is with the original ipk |
| 04:38:36 | Com[Plex] | ahh, I see. the same error happens when instlaling locally, but in that case, it beleives it was successful |
| 04:38:37 | Com[Plex] | odd |
| 04:40:08 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 04:42:20 | Com[Plex] | is there a home page for that tmp ram disk thign? |
| 04:45:02 | Wembly | hihi speedy :) |
| 04:45:23 | W|GGL|T | http://penguinshell.lockergnome.com/ |
| 04:45:45 | Wembly | im going to scream i think. |
| 05:08:03 | sig | http://sig.homeip.net/screenshots/Dual-Screen.png |
| 05:22:16 | NeoTron | is back (gone 01:03:16) |
| 05:22:31 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: tar, bad header - sounds like bad download to me |
| 05:36:19 | Com[Plex] | well. the tmp ram disk solved it |
| 05:36:51 | Com[Plex] | the bad tar header message was following an insuficient disk space error, but it wouldnt let me scroll |
| 05:37:42 | Com[Plex] | when I attempted to install to the local, it gave the same errors, however, it didnt return the error to the graqphical interface. And, it marked the app as installed <blue dot> |
| 05:37:45 | Com[Plex] | bizzare |
| 05:38:29 | Com[Plex] | btw |
| 05:39:04 | Com[Plex] | the interflame ipk has two eonconfigs... any reason why? |
| 05:39:07 | Com[Plex] | 1.1 and 1.2 |
| 05:48:25 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: ok, so it probably couldn't uncompress the intial tar-file leading to a broken data.tar.gz |
| 05:48:47 | NeoTron | reason: mistake, solution: uploading new file soon |
| 05:59:36 | Com[Plex] | I can get it to install to local by way of tmpramdisk, but when I try ti install to SD it very gracefully bails out. with no warning, or orrors. |
| 05:59:41 | Com[Plex] | errors |
| 05:59:52 | Com[Plex] | it closes the qinstall, and even the terminal |
| 06:00:13 | Com[Plex] | leaves the icons on the taskbar, but clicking them just opens new sintances of them |
| 06:01:02 | Com[Plex] | odd |
| 06:01:28 | NeoTron | odd indeed |
| 06:01:52 | Com[Plex] | its 3am. I need to get up at 8, I should put this away for tonight |
| 06:02:12 | Com[Plex] | thanx for your help |
| 06:02:22 | Com[Plex] | I at least got to play it for a little while tonight :> |
| 06:03:02 | type11error | hi, i just installed openzaurus and am trying to get it to sync with qtopia for windows. i had it working with sharps rom but am not sure how to setup my zaurus. can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 06:13:05 | darienm | Which windows platform are you on? |
| 06:13:36 | type11error | darienm: win2k |
| 06:13:58 | darienm | You'll need an updated version of Qtopia Desktop that isn't officially released yet. |
| 06:14:03 | darienm | (and a DLL) |
| 06:14:22 | type11error | hrm even if it worked with the sharp rom? |
| 06:14:36 | darienm | Yeah. OA is a whole different creature. |
| 06:14:39 | darienm | gr, OZ |
| 06:23:50 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 06:40:51 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 06:53:16 | Datake | morning |
| 07:01:22 | Bala | morning datake |
| 07:03:14 | Datake | hey |
| 07:03:19 | Datake | still up :) |
| 07:03:31 | Datake | must be like 4 am b y now? :) |
| 07:04:15 | Bala | no just 2 |
| 07:04:35 | Bala | im working on the fullscreening :) |
| 07:04:44 | Datake | hehe |
| 07:05:31 | Datake | full screen 90 degrees rotated i hope? :) |
| 07:05:54 | Bala | well eventually |
| 07:05:56 | Bala | heh |
| 07:06:23 | Bala | im working on getting to fullscreen and then go back to regular mode atm |
| 07:17:02 | Twiun | mornin' |
| 07:17:32 | Twiun | Bala: using qt? |
| 07:21:11 | Bala | yeah |
| 07:21:45 | Bala | its mostly working.. i just cant figure out why its doing something. |
| 07:31:03 | Datake | holy f*ck |
| 07:31:12 | Datake | 18 euros for a replacement stylus !? |
| 07:31:19 | Datake | are they insane??? |
| 07:43:53 | DaWorm | indeed |
| 10:52:37 | tux_mike | ow |
| 10:52:40 | tux_mike | my back |
| 11:23:55 | tux_mike | tosses codemnky a banana |
| 11:24:14 | codemnky | ooo eee |
| 11:45:50 | Com[Plex] | howsoon before the new zauruss come out? |
| 11:48:35 | codemnky | has no idea |
| 12:04:38 | imm | hi |
| 12:04:51 | darienm | hi hi |
| 12:05:24 | cranch | anyone here run Gentoo :) |
| 12:05:25 | imm | thinks the swiss marketing of sharp is a bunch of noobs |
| 12:05:33 | tux_mike | hey [imm,darienm] |
| 12:07:12 | darienm | cranch: I got a beef with you :) |
| 12:07:24 | cranch | whats that darienm |
| 12:08:51 | darienm | a few days ago you asked ibot to search zsi for 'boa' and it came back with backgammon among others. That's because the word 'board' is in the full-text description for that program. |
| 12:09:09 | darienm | wanted to let you know -why- it did that, as there seemed to be a question ;) |
| 12:09:11 | tux_mike | Whoever is running this "Emcon Emsys Technologies" company selling a bunch of Z software is an idiot. the apps suck in UI design, and the guy is horrible at writing, /and/ he substitutes u for the word you. |
| 12:09:19 | cranch | oh..well thank you very much :) |
| 12:10:04 | codemnky | tux_mike you got a link to that site? |
| 12:10:56 | tux_mike | http://emconemsys.com/ but all the apps are on myzaurus.com |
| 12:11:49 | tux_mike | and a wreched site design |
| 12:11:59 | tux_mike | someone needs to hit this guy with the clue by four |
| 12:12:07 | darienm | The first page attempts to hypnotize te viewer. |
| 12:12:28 | darienm | Heh, fill out the suggestion form. |
| 12:13:18 | tux_mike | Suggestion: stop selling crappy Zaurus software at high prices |
| 12:13:32 | tux_mike | http://www.handango.com/include/pictures/97809/img2.gif |
| 12:13:36 | darienm | benmeyer, coming or going? |
| 12:13:40 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 12:13:43 | cranch | I hate the damn gentoo IRC channel....everybody is always talkinga bout something dumb..mainly MP3's, one day it was all about Burger King/ Mc Donals |
| 12:13:54 | tux_mike | hey ben |
| 12:14:03 | imm | benmeyer: the swiss marketing of sharp is a bunch of noobs |
| 12:14:14 | benmeyer | noobs aye? |
| 12:14:42 | ljp | just the swiss ? |
| 12:15:26 | ljp | burger king uses gentoo? |
| 12:15:41 | tux_mike | "emFotoAlbum drives all worries as a handy mobile photo album wherever u r, giving u a warm relief." This guy expects me to pay $20 with a tag line like /*THAT*/?! |
| 12:15:53 | benmeyer | haha |
| 12:15:57 | tux_mike | http://www.handango.com/include/pictures/97809/new_emfoto.gif |
| 12:16:07 | tux_mike | and a /lovely/ snapshot too boot |
| 12:16:13 | ljp | heh 'your burger's gonna take awhile, I have to emerge a new Xfree86' |
| 12:16:22 | tux_mike | ljp: lol |
| 12:16:57 | tux_mike | in writing a description for a product one should never use the word "you" |
| 12:17:52 | ljp | that ain't proper English! |
| 12:18:06 | tux_mike | no, it ain't. |
| 12:18:49 | tux_mike | oh, and this idito does it all in JVM. |
| 12:18:51 | ljp | you have to use 'yous' |
| 12:19:02 | tux_mike | well, is 'u' acceptable? |
| 12:19:18 | ljp | where's that at? |
| 12:19:19 | scanline | shivers |
| 12:19:35 | scanline | is sourceforge down? |
| 12:19:36 | tux_mike | http://www.handango.com/include/pictures/97809/device_pic.gif OOOOH! Angry fruit cocktail screens!!! |
| 12:19:41 | scanline | I can't get to CVS or project web pages |
| 12:20:10 | tux_mike | sf is always down. |
| 12:20:21 | tux_mike | only sometimes it's less down |
| 12:20:21 | scanline | heh.. true |
| 12:20:23 | scanline | but it's free |
| 12:20:33 | ljp | works here |
| 12:20:49 | scanline | feh.. must be some weird routing issue... |
| 12:21:23 | scanline | does http://picogui.org work for you? might just be some of the servers down.. |
| 12:21:43 | ljp | yep |
| 12:21:55 | scanline | hmm.. |
| 12:22:00 | scanline | ssh'es into another machine to try it |
| 12:22:27 | ljp | suddenly shuts down ssh on his firewall |
| 12:22:37 | scanline | hehe |
| 12:23:25 | | Sniper, I didn't have anything matching 'me' |
| 12:23:25 | Sniper | ibot forget me |
| 12:23:31 | | Sniper: excuse me? |
| 12:23:31 | Sniper | ibot formet Sniper |
| 12:23:36 | scanline | traceroute gets stuck at dcr1-so-1-2-0.SantaClara.cw.net |
| 12:23:41 | | Sniper: I forgot sniper |
| 12:23:41 | Sniper | ibot forget Sniper |
| 12:23:55 | | OK, Sniper. |
| 12:23:55 | Sniper | ibot Sniper is going to be packing and shipping units to developers. |
| 12:23:59 | | you are going to be packing and shipping units to developers. |
| 12:23:59 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 12:24:20 | imm | Sniper: go go go ! |
| 12:25:20 | tux_mike | and emconemsys has only sold about 40 copies of their software. and they have about a dozen or so apps out there. |
| 12:28:50 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:29:15 | tux_mike | hey |
| 12:29:23 | imm | chouimat: hi |
| 12:29:49 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=586 |
| 12:29:49 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 12:30:15 | ljp | that software is expensive |
| 12:30:31 | chouimat | ljp: ?? |
| 12:31:39 | tux_mike | ben: those graphics look... um... yeah. |
| 12:31:53 | ljp | what tux_mike was talking about |
| 12:32:08 | tux_mike | Emcon Emsys? |
| 12:32:12 | ljp | ya |
| 12:32:50 | tux_mike | hey jason |
| 12:32:50 | ljp | $27 for vehicle info? |
| 12:34:16 | tux_mike | ljp: but it's unparalleled |
| 12:34:34 | ljp | heh, I suppose |
| 12:34:34 | tux_mike | and the ui looks amazing! :) |
| 12:34:43 | tux_mike | </sarcasm> :) |
| 12:35:16 | tux_mike | http://www.handango.com/include/pictures/97809/healthpack.gif pay $36 for /this/? |
| 12:35:42 | tux_mike | http://www.handango.com/include/pictures/97809/img2.gif or $35 for this? |
| 12:36:12 | chouimat | tux_mike: what kind of software? |
| 12:36:25 | tux_mike | those are both health related software |
| 12:37:10 | imm | tux_mike: pretty cheap :) |
| 12:37:28 | imm | tux_mike: will buy both ! |
| 12:37:52 | tux_mike | heh :) |
| 12:38:53 | tux_mike | this goes along with my basic assumptions that most people cannot program their way out of a paper bag |
| 12:40:37 | chouimat | tux_mike: with the years we will have better quality apps. |
| 12:41:11 | tux_mike | as more decent people, like the good folks at thekompany find the Zaurus |
| 12:41:22 | tux_mike | and people like Neo :) |
| 12:43:17 | chouimat | tux_mike: people doesn't understand that on a pda you must do your ui with greater care than on the desktop, because you will get a windoze app |
| 12:43:45 | tux_mike | you must design a ui always with great care |
| 12:44:24 | tux_mike | it's not somethign that you should slap together |
| 12:44:39 | chouimat | tux_mike: that the VB syndrome :) |
| 12:45:15 | tux_mike | even for my vb apps i tkae great care. i spent a month perfecting the ui for a ghost front-end for may last job :) |
| 12:50:37 | numatrix | benmeyer: Hopefully the author will make enough money on this one (which I doubt) to get a real artist working on the next version of the game... |
| 12:57:39 | prpplague | morning all |
| 12:57:56 | prpplague | kergoth: hey did you get the z service manual from sharp? |
| 12:59:54 | prpplague | ljp: morning |
| 13:00:03 | ljp_work | hi |
| 13:00:11 | prpplague | ljp_work: i see your pushing for gpe for zaurus |
| 13:00:16 | ljp_work | thinks its espresso time |
| 13:00:27 | ljp_work | yep |
| 13:00:45 | ljp_work | I figured, the more the merrier |
| 13:01:05 | prpplague | ljp_work: how far have you gotten? would you like for me to send you what i got so far? |
| 13:01:25 | ljp_work | I havent done anything much except talk about it ;) |
| 13:01:44 | ljp_work | what have youdone? |
| 13:02:49 | prpplague | ljp: i've got x and matchbox working, i've been focusing on a fltk version of gpe, but the gpe stuff should be very easy to do from where i am at now |
| 13:03:41 | ljp_work | ahh nice |
| 13:03:43 | imm | any tomcat experts here ? |
| 13:03:51 | ljp_work | meow |
| 13:04:11 | ljp_work | squirt guns work good on tom cats |
| 13:05:16 | ljp_work | prpp: do you switch between opie and X? |
| 13:07:54 | tux_mike | just when you think you've seen it all on the road, someone supprises you with something new :) |
| 13:09:00 | tux_mike | i saw someone yesterday giving themself a full oral examination after brushing his teeth in the car |
| 13:09:06 | prpplague | ljp_work: no, i'm afraid i'm a no-qt kinda guy |
| 13:09:08 | chouimat | ljp_work: the newspaper work too :) |
| 13:10:41 | ljp_work | prpp: ahh, ok.. just wanted to test switching.. I'll find some guinea pig... |
| 13:11:13 | chouimat | ljp_work: I found one for you .... YOU |
| 13:11:32 | ljp_work | heheh |
| 13:11:42 | ljp_work | but I have _work_ to do! |
| 13:11:55 | chouimat | ljp_work: add lemon juice to your squirt gun :) |
| 13:12:02 | prpplague | ljp_work: i'm going to try very hard to get this stuff checked into the oz cvs this week |
| 13:12:11 | ljp_work | cool |
| 13:12:34 | ljp_work | was it you who is going to write a boot menu? |
| 13:12:45 | ciaolinux | morning |
| 13:12:51 | ljp_work | hi |
| 13:13:16 | prpplague | ljp_work: no me |
| 13:13:22 | prpplague | s/no/not |
| 13:13:31 | chouimat | hi ciaolinux |
| 13:13:32 | ljp_work | hmm.. ok |
| 13:14:26 | ciaolinux | any news (about anything)? |
| 13:14:46 | ljp_work | ya.. some dude quit redhat because of knome |
| 13:15:04 | ciaolinux | what is knome? the kde version of gnome? |
| 13:15:29 | ljp_work | heheh its what I call redhat's mush |
| 13:16:23 | ciaolinux | it really exists! i completely missed it |
| 13:16:49 | ciaolinux | ttp://www.geocities.com/datankiwa/ |
| 13:18:17 | tux_mike | ljp: my little collection of packages should solve that |
| 13:18:28 | ljp_work | :D |
| 13:25:25 | benmeyer | tux_mike: notice that they are java apps |
| 13:25:43 | benmeyer | tux_mike: I have not seen a non-crummy java app |
| 13:26:22 | tux_mike | nor i |
| 13:26:34 | darienm | java chess wasn't so bad, neither is dice |
| 13:26:37 | tux_mike | ben: you should ban that company from myzaurus :) |
| 13:26:46 | darienm | I second that vote |
| 13:26:54 | Sniper | ben: i sent you another ipk to test |
| 13:26:56 | tux_mike | the java breakout was ok too |
| 13:27:14 | ljp_work | naa, if they can get that price for java appss.. mine as a weee bit low |
| 13:27:23 | ljp_work | are, not as |
| 13:27:34 | tux_mike | what java apps are you selling? |
| 13:27:42 | ljp_work | no java apps |
| 13:27:52 | ljp_work | I drink java, tho |
| 13:28:20 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 13:28:30 | tux_mike | why the hell are the graphics going UP! |
| 13:28:36 | tux_mike | they are supposed to go DOWN! |
| 13:28:47 | tux_mike | that's the way gravity takes them! DOWN! |
| 13:29:08 | ljp_work | when I was choosing a programming language, I first looked at java.. didnt make sense to me, so I went with c++ |
| 13:29:30 | tux_mike | i took a java class in school |
| 13:29:48 | ljp_work | ahh.. I'm self taught |
| 13:30:01 | tux_mike | i got absolutley no knowledge from that class, except that i hate java, and still got an A :) |
| 13:30:16 | tux_mike | i have /no/ idea how that happened :) |
| 13:30:37 | ljp_work | professor felt sorry for you |
| 13:31:03 | tux_mike | actually, thinking about it, i know how that happened. i can bullshit through any computer class :) |
| 13:31:48 | tux_mike | slaps himselfw with a clue-by-four |
| 13:32:49 | ljp_work | I once wrote a java clock |
| 13:36:03 | ljp_work | heh I think that was way back in 1.1 |
| 13:36:14 | ljp_work | before java had audio even |
| 13:54:15 | kergoth | hey |
| 13:54:42 | mjn3 | morning kergoth... oh, i picked up a serial cable for the Z yesterday |
| 13:54:50 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 13:54:59 | kergoth | its handy |
| 13:55:36 | mjn3 | haven't tried it yet. actually, i plan to pull out an old HP 200LX as a terminal for it :-) |
| 13:55:44 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes OZ |
| 13:56:00 | bipolar | hi kergoth |
| 13:56:19 | kergoth | mjn3: hah, nice |
| 13:56:30 | kergoth | mjn3: i've got a wyse50 here for it |
| 13:58:30 | tux_mike | ugh my back |
| 13:59:07 | kergoth | tux_mike: probs? |
| 13:59:11 | mjn3 | kergoth: i've got a couple of wyse terminals too... one's hooked up to my nat box at the moment in fact |
| 13:59:12 | kergoth | JasonNJ: when i have time to work on it, not bad |
| 13:59:44 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah, a spine, shaped roughly like a 2-yr old's rendition of anything acting up |
| 14:00:26 | kergoth | tux_mike: hm, thats bad |
| 14:00:37 | mjn3 | kergoth: actually, i want to put ELKS on one of the palmtops i have. just haven't gotten around to it, although about 2 months ago i did send in some patches that cut the ELKS kernel size quite a bit |
| 14:00:41 | tux_mike | just a little |
| 14:01:18 | ljp_work | I tried to put some MOOSE on my Z, but it was too heavy and broke |
| 14:01:23 | tux_mike | but i seem to be getting closer to my goal of having a working game :) |
| 14:01:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:01:29 | mjn3 | kergoth: i looked at the Z's kernel source the other day... what a mess. i had to do a small patch just to build ppp as a module |
| 14:01:39 | kergoth | mjn3: yes, its horrible. hacks left and right. |
| 14:01:52 | levi_ | tux_mike: Getting your blitting problems worked out? |
| 14:01:55 | kergoth | mjn3: and talk about spaghetti code.. |
| 14:01:57 | ljp_work | heh thats lineo for ya |
| 14:02:28 | mjn3 | kergoth: yeah... were you cleaning up some of that in your port to 2.5.x? |
| 14:02:34 | tux_mike | levi: most of the ones that were caused by my blatant bouts of stupidity, yah, but now i have a problem with transperant pngs... |
| 14:03:03 | tux_mike | is there a way i can fill a new QPixmap with a transparent color? |
| 14:03:10 | kergoth | mjn3: yes, thats why it was taking so long. |
| 14:03:30 | kergoth | mjn3: I threw half of it out the window and did most of it the way most of the other sa11x0 machine types were being done |
| 14:03:46 | kergoth | mjn3: but I never got around to finishing. maybe one of these days |
| 14:04:18 | levi_ | kergoth: Heh. The guy who ported it interviewed here. Maybe it's a good thing he didn't get hired... |
| 14:04:34 | mjn3 | kergoth: hmm. it would be nice to use a more recent kernel. that and a replacement bootloader. |
| 14:04:48 | kergoth | mjn3: I agree wholeheartedly. |
| 14:15:26 | tux_mike | anyone know how i can fill a qPixmap with a ttransparent color? |
| 14:19:20 | IPmonger | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:19:28 | mjn3 | kergoth: just a thought... might be worth the noatime option to CF and SD/MMC mounts in /etc/fstab |
| 14:20:36 | tux_mike | does anyone know? i really need to know, and the docs don't explain this at all. |
| 14:22:01 | kergoth | mjn3: yes, and probably sync as well |
| 14:22:02 | kergoth | mjn3: eh? |
| 14:22:30 | ljp_work | tux_mike: wouldnt it just be a matter of selecting an alpha channel color and filling it? |
| 14:22:39 | ljp_work | I dunno |
| 14:22:46 | tux_mike | i don't know how to select an alpha color |
| 14:22:47 | mjn3 | kergoth: didn't mention sync as it seems to be there already |
| 14:22:50 | ljp_work | I should learn more about graphics |
| 14:22:59 | tux_mike | i can select RGB, but not RGBA |
| 14:23:03 | tux_mike | unless i'm missing somethign |
| 14:23:35 | kergoth | mjn3: is it? oh good. hehe. |
| 14:25:21 | tux_mike | is there no way to come up with a plain trasparent image?! |
| 14:28:52 | chouimat | re |
| 14:29:04 | treke | tux_mike: might want to look through the qpixmap headers |
| 14:29:35 | ljp_work | there has to be.. you might ask sandman if you get stuck, he's about the best opie dev |
| 14:29:54 | tux_mike | is he around right now, because i'm sure as hell stuck |
| 14:30:01 | treke | the qt online documentation doesnt seem to sync exactly with qt/e |
| 14:30:56 | chouimat | hates to be back on a console only system |
| 14:31:12 | treke | chouimat: ouch |
| 14:31:51 | JasonNJ | anyone see this? its bizarre |
| 14:31:52 | JasonNJ | http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/ |
| 14:32:23 | tux_mike | yes. how rare. |
| 14:32:25 | chouimat | treke: just upgrade to gcc 3.2 and the compiler take libstdc++.so.4 and .5 in for my executable |
| 14:32:30 | ljp_work | tux: he's away it seems, |
| 14:32:38 | levi_ | tux_mike: What Qt class are you using for your images? |
| 14:32:58 | treke | chouimat: eh? why did that put you in console mode? |
| 14:33:10 | tux_mike | QPixma |
| 14:33:12 | tux_mike | p |
| 14:33:29 | chouimat | treke: kde signal 11 :) |
| 14:33:40 | treke | ah |
| 14:34:06 | treke | use gnome :) |
| 14:34:24 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 07:53:32) |
| 14:34:24 | chouimat | now I'm distributing everything all over my network to get everything back asap |
| 14:34:38 | levi_ | tux_mike: QImage appears to have some transparency stuff. |
| 14:34:57 | chouimat | treke: I will install Windowmaker before using gnome :) |
| 14:35:04 | bipolar | can't find a single availible mandrake mirror that has 9.0 isos |
| 14:35:22 | treke | chouimat: hehe :) |
| 14:38:23 | scanline | is away: "breakfast" |
| 14:46:10 | levi_ | tux_mike: Have you been using QPixmap::setMask() ? |
| 14:47:02 | tux_mike | i don't want to set the mask |
| 14:47:10 | tux_mike | i am using png transperncy |
| 14:49:29 | levi_ | tux_mike: It looks like converting a PNG to a QPixmap loses the alpha channel. Not positive on that, though. |
| 14:49:39 | tux_mike | nope |
| 14:49:44 | tux_mike | i'm using it elsewhere |
| 14:51:01 | levi_ | tux_mike: So the transparency works elsewhere, but not here? |
| 14:53:10 | tux_mike | problem is, new pixmaps are not initialized, unless you use an image, and i'm trying to dynamically make a pixmap composed of several pixmaps with transpernaces |
| 14:54:29 | levi_ | tux_mike: How did you load the PNGs into the QPixmaps before? |
| 14:54:50 | ljp_work | tux: advancedfm uses a transparent overlay to get its symlink icon |
| 14:54:50 | tux_mike | in the constructor |
| 14:55:11 | ljp_work | might look at that maybe |
| 14:57:03 | ljp_work | although it loads two pngs |
| 14:58:33 | tux_mike | i have no problem when i load a png into a pixmap. |
| 14:59:34 | tux_mike | i just don't have a pixmap to load into this one, because i'm blitting muliple pixmaps into it |
| 15:00:03 | scanline | is back (gone 00:21:41) |
| 15:00:11 | levi_ | tux_mike: I'm pretty sure that QPixmap uses QImage to load the file, then converts the QImage to a QPixmap, which will automatically create a mask bitmap. |
| 15:00:49 | levi_ | tux_mike: Try, as a test, loading a QPixmap with a PNG and asking for the mask bitmap. |
| 15:01:31 | tux_mike | there is no mask, mask is 1 or 0, and i'm using multiple layers of transperancy |
| 15:03:40 | Onyx4 | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=567 |
| 15:03:45 | Onyx4 | free mahjongg game cool |
| 15:03:58 | ljp_work | neotron knows alot of graphics |
| 15:04:41 | chouimat | re |
| 15:05:36 | tux_mike | oh, it's kmahjongg |
| 15:07:26 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 15:08:02 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 15:08:36 | Harlekin | hey Onyx4 |
| 15:09:07 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: we're chasing a nasty suspend/resume issue related to APM,cardmgr, and opie :) |
| 15:09:30 | darienm | Onyx4: How would someone go about making better graphics for that Mahjohngg game, also for eLoadRunner? |
| 15:09:42 | ljp_work | opie needs to use apm binary |
| 15:10:34 | NeoTron | ljp_work: I do? :P |
| 15:10:46 | ljp_work | I thought you did |
| 15:11:02 | Harlekin | Onyx4: like what |
| 15:11:12 | Harlekin | ljp_work: why does it "need" |
| 15:11:23 | Onyx4 | darienm: send it to tkc maybe? :) |
| 15:11:41 | darienm | send 'what' ? I would do some better graphics if I knew how to integrate them |
| 15:11:47 | ljp_work | we havent figured it out, but the ioclts calls cause issues, whereas using the apm binary like it used to do for z doesnt |
| 15:11:59 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: well the cardmgr sees the suspend, but never sees the resume, so it does not wake up the cards and reset them |
| 15:12:06 | kergoth | ljp_work: the weird thing is, all the apm binary does is uses the ioctl |
| 15:12:08 | kergoth | ljp_work: :) |
| 15:12:15 | ljp_work | yes I know |
| 15:12:35 | ljp_work | might it be a thread related issue? |
| 15:12:46 | ljp_work | or process |
| 15:12:55 | kergoth | ljp_work: possibly, or related to that signal stuff the opie apm code does, or related to the power button handling change form kernel to opie? |
| 15:13:45 | tux_mike | damnit! i can't create a pixmap based on a qimage |
| 15:14:10 | Onyx4 | sometimes I would also have the problem where my Z would not wake up, or sometimes it would be a minute later |
| 15:14:10 | kergoth | hardwire: ping |
| 15:14:27 | kergoth | Onyx4: hung opie perhaps? its opie that catches the power button and responds to it |
| 15:14:33 | kergoth | Onyx4: iirc |
| 15:14:49 | Onyx4 | yes I think so |
| 15:15:19 | Onyx4 | im thinking opie hung up because of dhcpcd , which in turn hung because I think the card did not get put to sleep right with APM or something |
| 15:15:23 | kergoth | Onyx4: yup |
| 15:15:29 | tux_mike | i have no idea how you can preserve the alpha channel! |
| 15:15:39 | kergoth | Onyx4: first of all, opie shouldnt hang if cardmon's spawn of cardctl hangs |
| 15:15:46 | kergoth | Onyx4: thats a definate bug |
| 15:15:51 | Onyx4 | cause with udpcpc so far I had not had that problem, but udhcpc does not care about APM (not apm aware) |
| 15:16:08 | levi_ | tux_mike: Why can't you create a qpixmap from a qimage? |
| 15:16:12 | Harlekin | tux_mike: yeah since qt2 cannot handle alpha channel |
| 15:16:37 | tux_mike | harlekin: it does when i load a pixmap directly from a png |
| 15:16:53 | tux_mike | levi: i can only blit one into a qpixmap |
| 15:18:13 | levi_ | tux_mike: What about QPixmap::convertFromImage() ? Does that not work? |
| 15:18:27 | tux_mike | it wil blend alpha. something i don't want to do |
| 15:21:08 | prpplague | kergoth: just from raj at sharp, they seem to be very interested in my barcode scanner work |
| 15:21:23 | kergoth | prpplague: nice, glad to hear it |
| 15:21:34 | tux_mike | looks like i'm gonna have to do this the really fescking hard way |
| 15:37:52 | tux_mike | gah, frigging accountants |
| 15:43:26 | tux_mike | hey bipolar |
| 15:46:10 | scanline | is away: class |
| 15:47:13 | cr1 | anyone using openzaurus? |
| 15:49:27 | kergoth | cr1: #openzaurus |
| 15:50:09 | cr1 | ok, thx |
| 15:54:27 | megakot | ppl |
| 15:54:32 | W|GGL|T | damn cable co...node is getting saturated |
| 15:55:04 | megakot | ipfw show | grep "^00001" | awk '{ print $3; }' > \\ |
| 15:59:18 | | Sniper: what? |
| 15:59:18 | Sniper | ibot Sniper forget me |
| 15:59:22 | | Sniper, I didn't have anything matching 'me' |
| 15:59:22 | Sniper | ibot forget me |
| 15:59:25 | Sniper | damn |
| 15:59:31 | | Sniper: I forgot sniper |
| 15:59:31 | Sniper | ibot forget Sniper |
| 15:59:49 | | OK, Sniper. |
| 15:59:49 | Sniper | ibot Sniper is packing units into boxes for shipment |
| 16:00:59 | Twiun | rehi |
| 16:01:22 | imm | Sniper: so you are done ? |
| 16:01:25 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 16:03:29 | Sniper | the units are being sent from the warehouse to my cube |
| 16:03:34 | Sniper | I saw them!!! |
| 16:03:40 | Sniper | They're physically here.. hehe |
| 16:03:46 | bipolar | anyone here familiar with serial comunications? |
| 16:03:54 | kergoth | bipolar: unfortunately |
| 16:03:58 | kergoth | bipolar: (i work for a serial comm company) |
| 16:04:22 | bipolar | kergoth: Do you know if you can split a serial signal to send it to two seperate ports? |
| 16:04:52 | kergoth | bipolar: its possible, yes. though the phrase 'dear god why?' comes to mind |
| 16:05:04 | bipolar | kergoth: heheh |
| 16:05:37 | bipolar | kergoth: it's for work. I need to send signals to both our old and our new systems so that I can test without switching back and forth. |
| 16:05:38 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:05:53 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 16:05:58 | kergoth | bipolar: ah. thats fairly comon. as is splitting it to both machines in a failover environment |
| 16:06:01 | Neo|Work | gday |
| 16:06:05 | kergoth | bipolar: we have customers trying to do such things |
| 16:06:08 | imm | Sniper: cool, i hope i will soon see one of those on my desk |
| 16:06:09 | bipolar | kergoth: is it as simple at t-taping the tx line? |
| 16:06:42 | Sniper | imm: you WILL! |
| 16:06:46 | bipolar | kergoth: is there a good online reference for this so I can quit bugging you? :) |
| 16:06:47 | Sniper | imm: im gonna ship everything this week |
| 16:07:18 | prpplague | bipolar: there is a serial sniffer program on freshmeat that includes a schematic |
| 16:07:26 | Shayde | 'lo folks. |
| 16:07:38 | Twiun | hullo |
| 16:07:39 | prpplague | bipolar: you can easily use it to send data to two different devices |
| 16:08:27 | bipolar | prpplague: I also need one of the destinations (the primary) to respond, so it's a 2way on one of the links. |
| 16:08:36 | imm | Sniper: thanks for you efforts ! |
| 16:08:58 | prpplague | bipolar: that should work |
| 16:09:20 | prpplague | bipolar: let me see if i can find the item on freshmeat |
| 16:09:22 | bipolar | prpplague: is this diagram in the tgz file? |
| 16:09:37 | prpplague | bipolar: we use it for testing fax applications |
| 16:09:54 | prpplague | bipolar: ya, its in the tgz file |
| 16:10:21 | Twiun | chayim|busy: Can't get that email to you...your mailserver keeps timing out! |
| 16:10:23 | prpplague | bipolar: IIRC its pretty straight forward |
| 16:13:16 | prpplague | bipolar: http://freshmeat.net/projects/linuxserialsniffer/?topic_id=157 |
| 16:13:28 | prpplague | bipolar: it has two different methods of doing the sniffing |
| 16:13:34 | prpplague | bipolar: checkout the readme file |
| 16:13:56 | bipolar | prpplague: thanks. I'll look into this. |
| 16:14:59 | prpplague | bipolar: np glad i can help |
| 16:16:21 | Twiun | just got back from his second interview with Accenture! |
| 16:16:43 | prpplague | Twiun: did it go well? |
| 16:17:08 | Twiun | prpplague: I think so... I hope so in any case |
| 16:17:22 | Twiun | prpplague: this is the first company that actually went as far as interviewing |
| 16:17:43 | ljp_work | interviews already? |
| 16:17:56 | kergoth | Twiun: nice, good luck |
| 16:18:04 | bipolar | prpplague: kergoth: looks like all I have to do is t-tap the tx line and send it to the rx line of the secondary equipment. |
| 16:18:06 | Twiun | I've been applying for the past 2 months ;-) |
| 16:23:52 | Coup | hi folks |
| 16:23:56 | Coup | just got my zaurus today |
| 16:24:10 | Harlekin | morning Cloudchaser |
| 16:24:20 | Coup | it's been charging for.. um...6 hours or so, maybee 7, decided to switch it on and get it setup whilst it's on the docking station :) |
| 16:24:27 | Coup | sure the Nicad will carry on charging whilst i do :) |
| 16:24:32 | prpplague | bipolar: sounds like a easy implmentation |
| 16:24:46 | Coup | so, i have a question if you don't mind? :) |
| 16:25:00 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 16:25:13 | Twiun | Hiya Cloudchaser |
| 16:26:13 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 16:26:28 | kergoth | Coup: ask away |
| 16:26:29 | Cloudchaser | how are you all doing today? |
| 16:26:37 | Twiun | Buzzing! |
| 16:26:56 | kergoth | i'm rewriting my resume |
| 16:27:08 | Neo|Work | kergoth: looking for a new job? :) |
| 16:27:08 | kergoth | cause yesterday i made the boss look like a moron in front of the rest of the department |
| 16:27:23 | Twiun | rofl |
| 16:27:27 | Twiun | was it hard? |
| 16:27:30 | kergoth | not very |
| 16:27:41 | kergoth | i our meeting, he told us 'you know, you should be glad you have jobs' |
| 16:27:57 | Coup | PC i'm sorting this out with initially is WinXP runing default install, Outlook Express for e-mail (but not going to bother synching with it at the moment i dont think). Dial-Up net connection. So, i've installed the software, got Qtopia Desktop synching up ok, install terminal on the PDA. Setup ICS on my dial-up, got the PC/PDA pinging each other, and the PDA can ping the outside world via IP address (had to add the gateway route in man |
| 16:27:57 | kergoth | while trying ito motivate us to come to work extra hours on projects that are for other departments than our own |
| 16:28:14 | Twiun | and not getting paid extra, right? |
| 16:28:50 | Neo|Work | kergoth: that's like a really stupid thing to say. where does one find good managers? nowhere it seems |
| 16:29:17 | kergoth | Twiun: right |
| 16:29:24 | Twiun | Neo|Work: I've always thought that if you have a "good manager" chain him to a building... they're a rare breed |
| 16:29:28 | kergoth | Neo|Work: exactly. he obviously doesnt know how to motivate people. |
| 16:29:33 | kergoth | Neo|Work: so i told him so |
| 16:29:39 | Twiun | hahaha |
| 16:29:41 | kergoth | Neo|Work: and proceded to tell him about 12 reasons why |
| 16:29:43 | kergoth | Neo|Work: :) |
| 16:29:47 | kergoth | Neo|Work: check this |
| 16:29:50 | kergoth | Neo|Work: he said he wouldnt say it again! |
| 16:29:52 | kergoth | Neo|Work: lmao |
| 16:29:53 | Neo|Work | kergoth: hah. :) |
| 16:30:05 | kergoth | man, that felt good |
| 16:30:08 | kergoth | not smart |
| 16:30:10 | kergoth | but it felt good |
| 16:30:30 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 16:30:42 | Twiun | everyone should be able to do that at least once a year ;-) |
| 16:30:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:30:52 | fusion94 | Sniper: around ? |
| 16:31:12 | Neo|Work | fusion94: morning |
| 16:31:23 | Twiun | Hiya fusion94 |
| 16:31:25 | Sniper | hi |
| 16:31:28 | Sniper | wassup? |
| 16:31:29 | Neo|Work | funny thing is, sometimes the realize they are morons |
| 16:31:36 | Neo|Work | most of the time that is of course not the case |
| 16:32:46 | prpplague | kergoth: any ideas where you gonna go? |
| 16:34:19 | prpplague | kergoth: i wonder if sharp would be interested in your...ahhh..sharp experience.... |
| 16:34:37 | kergoth | prpplague: lol |
| 16:34:39 | kergoth | prpplague: no idea |
| 16:34:44 | kergoth | != kernel guru |
| 16:34:47 | kergoth | != gui coding guru |
| 16:34:54 | kergoth | maybe i can land a build engineer position |
| 16:35:04 | kergoth | i'd prefer to avoid support, but i'll take a support position if i have to |
| 16:35:09 | kergoth | gotta pay the mortgage and all |
| 16:35:53 | Twiun | kergoth: got any clearcase/pcvs/msss? |
| 16:35:54 | tux_mike | kergoth: just getting frustrated with your current job? |
| 16:36:31 | kergoth | tux_mike: well, and my boss will probably have it in for me now |
| 16:36:53 | kergoth | Twiun: some clearcase, neither of pcvs or msss |
| 16:36:58 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm neither, but there is always a place for ppl who can learn and solve problems |
| 16:36:59 | kergoth | man, i need alcohol or caffeine |
| 16:37:12 | tux_mike | kergoth: why is that? |
| 16:37:17 | Neo|Work | kergoth: have some Jolt or Mountain Dew or so |
| 16:37:24 | Twiun | kergoth: see if you can get more clearcase... I keep hearing it at job interviews |
| 16:37:46 | chouimat | re |
| 16:37:47 | Neo|Work | how hard can it possibly be to know / learn a versioning system? |
| 16:37:56 | Neo|Work | (that is what clearcase is, isn't it?) |
| 16:38:26 | fusion94 | werd |
| 16:38:32 | Twiun | yeah... using and administering it (build engineer) are two very different fish |
| 16:38:44 | fusion94 | clearcase is the premeire SCM system on the planet |
| 16:38:49 | fusion94 | not my words btw |
| 16:38:54 | Twiun | or spelling? |
| 16:38:55 | kergoth | tux_mike: made the boss look stupid in front of the rest of ht edepartment |
| 16:38:56 | Twiun | grins |
| 16:39:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:39:06 | prpplague | kergoth: go for the good stuff, see if you can find some "arrogant bastard ale" |
| 16:39:14 | Neo|Work | Twiun: true |
| 16:39:21 | Twiun | tux_mike: how goes your neverending wine quest? |
| 16:39:30 | Neo|Work | CVS is nice but has some major annoying issues |
| 16:39:40 | tux_mike | havent had the time to touch it |
| 16:39:47 | Twiun | Clearcase has a nice tree/diff/merge tool |
| 16:39:57 | tux_mike | i can only play on the weekends now |
| 16:40:02 | Twiun | screams |
| 16:40:07 | Neo|Work | fusion94: so which system do you prefer? :) |
| 16:40:16 | tux_mike | and i'm more intrested in playing than messing around with it :/ |
| 16:41:01 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: cvs |
| 16:41:12 | Neo|Work | fusion94: looked at / know of subversion? |
| 16:41:36 | fusion94 | yeah.....it's all right just incomplete |
| 16:41:44 | Neo|Work | it handles directories |
| 16:41:49 | Neo|Work | which is one of the major flaws in CVS |
| 16:42:11 | Neo|Work | I haven't actually used it myself though |
| 16:42:23 | kergoth | i hate that cvs doesnt handle mv/renames natively |
| 16:42:52 | Coup | OK. my DNS problem seems to be with resolv.conf, hasn't changed to take the DNS settings from the GUI settings app. |
| 16:43:07 | Coup | is there a nice fix for that? or do i edit it manually? |
| 16:43:23 | Neo|Work | kergoth: indeed. |
| 16:43:41 | Coup | in which case, that's a bit of a pain when i go to diff. locations :( |
| 16:53:01 | Coup | . |
| 16:54:25 | tboc | .. |
| 17:00:12 | Coup | sorry, miskeyed :) |
| 17:00:39 | tboc | ;) |
| 17:00:54 | tboc | but no need to feel sorry about that imo |
| 17:12:48 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 17:17:23 | Ibz | ping: |
| 17:17:33 | Ibz | traceroute: |
| 17:19:08 | Coup | So? any network guys got any idea about my DNS problem? :) |
| 17:20:18 | prpplague | BZFlag: got any job openings? :) kergoth is shopping, lol |
| 17:20:58 | Ibz | dig, nslookup: |
| 17:21:10 | Coup | :) |
| 17:21:41 | Ibz | firewall? |
| 17:22:02 | Coup | nope ;) |
| 17:22:08 | Coup | not gone one running |
| 17:22:15 | Coup | ooo, the Z has just hung on power-on |
| 17:22:16 | Coup | :( |
| 17:22:33 | Ibz | d'etat ;) |
| 17:24:02 | Coup | ahhh so _that's_ how you do a soft-reset |
| 17:24:37 | Ibz | Coup: new owner? |
| 17:24:51 | Coup | aye boss :) |
| 17:25:03 | Coup | hence all my annoying newbie questions :) |
| 17:25:22 | Coup | fairly happy with Unix (usual OS = Debian/GNU "woody") |
| 17:25:39 | Cloudchaser | bummer, read that sharp won't be releasing 5500 rom or 5000 rom based on qtopia 1.6 |
| 17:25:46 | Coup | but didnt want to start playing with the /etc files if there was a nice gui way of doin things :) |
| 17:25:47 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: whered ya read that cloud? |
| 17:25:49 | Cloudchaser | guess the end begins... |
| 17:25:56 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: yeah jusdt read that |
| 17:25:57 | Cloudchaser | zaurus general |
| 17:26:00 | kergoth`lunch | ah |
| 17:26:12 | kergoth`lunch | is out of hte loop. primary mailbox is dead |
| 17:26:16 | oGMo | i was just gonna ask if OZ/Opie was going to 1.6 |
| 17:26:16 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: that sucks |
| 17:26:17 | Cloudchaser | that stinks, bet they won't go higher too |
| 17:26:22 | kergoth`lunch | oGMo: opie already merged stuff from 16. |
| 17:26:25 | kergoth`lunch | oGMo: 1.6 |
| 17:26:25 | Cloudchaser | yeah so after a few months |
| 17:26:29 | Cloudchaser | we get dropped already |
| 17:26:32 | oGMo | kergoth`lunch: hmmm :) |
| 17:26:37 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: where did you read it? .-) |
| 17:26:44 | oGMo | i might have to buckle under and move to OZ then |
| 17:26:45 | Cloudchaser | zaurus general |
| 17:26:48 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: that's the beauty of OZ... or so we hope... |
| 17:26:49 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 17:26:50 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: er |
| 17:26:51 | oGMo | no |
| 17:26:53 | Harlekin | i told you that |
| 17:26:57 | Harlekin | nobody believed me |
| 17:27:00 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: it *will* be |
| 17:27:04 | kergoth`lunch | Harlekin: i believed you ;) |
| 17:27:04 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: nothing about dropping anything |
| 17:27:05 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: we can have kergoth chained to a rock maintaining OZ forever |
| 17:27:06 | kergoth`lunch | Harlekin: hehe |
| 17:27:06 | JasonNJ | harlekin: did you get my email |
| 17:27:09 | Cloudchaser | its not *there* yet |
| 17:27:12 | Twiun | cackles insanely |
| 17:27:22 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: new release very very soon |
| 17:27:24 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: :) |
| 17:27:25 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: ? |
| 17:27:30 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: a recent? no |
| 17:27:35 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: course opie will continue to be improved |
| 17:27:41 | JasonNJ | regarding PXA-250 performance with gcc 3.2 |
| 17:27:41 | Cloudchaser | what will that do kergoth`? |
| 17:27:43 | Cloudchaser | the new one? |
| 17:27:45 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: ah, yes |
| 17:27:50 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: real strange |
| 17:28:19 | tux_mike | huh? |
| 17:28:20 | JasonNJ | harlekin: I think the PXA-250 problems stem from the fact that the b-step only has a 100mhz bus |
| 17:28:36 | JasonNJ | it is running at half the internal clock speed of the processor |
| 17:28:40 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: but still gcc3.2 should be a lot faster |
| 17:28:40 | JasonNJ | too much memory latency |
| 17:28:43 | Harlekin | hmmm |
| 17:28:47 | Harlekin | except they used qt2 |
| 17:29:01 | JasonNJ | harlekin: it should still be faster |
| 17:29:22 | Harlekin | a bit |
| 17:29:27 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 17:29:49 | JasonNJ | so far no progress on OPIE working on 3900 series right |
| 17:29:50 | kergoth`lunch | they got qt2 to compile with gcc 3.2? |
| 17:29:51 | kergoth`lunch | wow |
| 17:29:52 | kergoth`lunch | hehe |
| 17:30:33 | Cloudchaser | kergoth`lunch: what improvements, changes will the new oz do? |
| 17:30:57 | Twiun | anyone know how if there is a qcop message I can send to get Qtopia to refresh the screen? |
| 17:30:57 | Cloudchaser | although you can write to flash, i found i had more *space* with sharp rom |
| 17:31:03 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: opie has improved quite a bit. oz now has 4.7 megs free out of the box |
| 17:31:15 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: not opies problem |
| 17:31:15 | Cloudchaser | is that enough for all the missing apps? |
| 17:31:36 | prpplague | JasonNJ: there have been lots of problems with the 100mhz bus on the pxa250 |
| 17:32:27 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: ? |
| 17:32:35 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: what missing apps? |
| 17:32:38 | Cloudchaser | hancom, opera, java |
| 17:32:43 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: should be |
| 17:32:45 | Cloudchaser | or hancom, konq, java |
| 17:32:53 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: plus i included more opie stuff, drawpad, etc |
| 17:33:04 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: i'll be freeing more space as i go, there's still places to be cleaned up |
| 17:33:12 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 17:33:28 | Cloudchaser | and the backup of benmeyer's backs up *everything*? |
| 17:33:51 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: that i'm not sure on. if not, we can make it do so |
| 17:33:55 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: pester ben :) |
| 17:34:02 | Cloudchaser | nah i don't like to |
| 17:34:04 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: btw, ben's netsetup app is getting there |
| 17:34:11 | Cloudchaser | what will that do? |
| 17:34:12 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: and opie will get another package manager |
| 17:34:17 | mparrish | you guys know anything about a compusa zaurus recall? |
| 17:34:18 | Cloudchaser | oh good |
| 17:34:24 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: netsetup? easy bluetooth config, usb config from the gui.. |
| 17:34:35 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: easy setup of ppp for dialup |
| 17:34:40 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 17:34:46 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: wireless config within netsetup, not two apps |
| 17:34:48 | Cloudchaser | will the ppp thing be shut off? |
| 17:34:49 | tux_mike | anyone know when the launcher changes will be merged into Qtopia and Opie? |
| 17:35:02 | Cloudchaser | so you can use serial cable/connection easily? |
| 17:35:07 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: i wont have ppp attaching to the port by default |
| 17:35:13 | Cloudchaser | ah good ;) |
| 17:35:14 | prpplague | mdz_: ! |
| 17:35:19 | prpplague | mdz_: how goes it? |
| 17:35:23 | mparrish | soworker went to compusa and they told him sharp had recalled everything. zaurus, accessories, etc. |
| 17:35:24 | chayim|busy | kergoth`lunch : but how long until all this is in an image I can dl? |
| 17:35:32 | mparrish | /sowirker/coworker/ |
| 17:35:33 | Cloudchaser | brown said they will soon have modified serial cable for sale |
| 17:35:38 | Cloudchaser | mparrish: wow really? |
| 17:35:43 | Cloudchaser | just from compusa? |
| 17:35:45 | mparrish | anyone heard of anything like that? |
| 17:35:50 | mparrish | I guess so |
| 17:35:53 | kergoth`lunch | chayim: i already have an image here. but the new netsetup isnt done yet |
| 17:35:58 | Twiun | chayim: hiya |
| 17:36:04 | kergoth`lunch | chayim: but a new oz image will be released soon, cause the old one sucked :) |
| 17:36:23 | Cloudchaser | hiya chayim! |
| 17:36:24 | Twiun | chayim: your mail server keeps timing out... want me to send you the info by chat? |
| 17:36:47 | chayim | Twiun : no, please send to my mail server. I have to talk to chris about it. |
| 17:36:56 | Cloudchaser | mparrish: why don't you call them and see if you can get more info? |
| 17:37:07 | Twiun | chayim: Ok, I'll leave the mail in postix's queue ;-) |
| 17:37:08 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: i had something similiar at bestbuy, they tried to tell me that the sl-5500 had been discontinued |
| 17:37:15 | chayim | Twiun : sorry about this. |
| 17:37:26 | chayim | kergoth : yeah I need a new image soon. especially since I've got my script to resymlink all my ipkgs I'd be an easy upgrade. |
| 17:37:37 | chayim | goes to swat a techie in the head |
| 17:38:40 | Cloudchaser | wow dell.com has zaurus 5500 for sale on their site |
| 17:38:57 | Twiun | chayim: no worries |
| 17:38:57 | chayim | that reminds me, any new on the OS X sync possiblities? |
| 17:39:06 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: a modified serial cable for what? |
| 17:39:11 | chayim | Twiun : yeah, but you're not the only person emailing me so now I am worried. |
| 17:39:14 | Cloudchaser | for the z prpplague |
| 17:39:21 | Cloudchaser | one that allows you to open the keyboard |
| 17:39:54 | kergoth | prpplague: the end of hte cable is huge, blocks the keyboard |
| 17:39:59 | kergoth | prpplague: pretty fucking stupid if you ask me |
| 17:40:02 | Twiun | chayim: Ahhh... I'm not the only person that has mentioned this then? |
| 17:40:13 | Cloudchaser | http://www.pellico.com/store.html#zaurus |
| 17:40:16 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 17:40:19 | chayim | Twiun : I don't know, it's not like I've gotten emails from the others. |
| 17:40:20 | Twiun | kergoth: Hehe, you're on a roll |
| 17:40:45 | Cloudchaser | he said that once they get something set with sharp, the price *might* go down a little |
| 17:40:48 | prpplague | kergoth: i just ordered 4, guess i'll probably get the old ones then |
| 17:40:50 | Twiun | chayim: Right... tried sending yourself one (from elsewhere)? |
| 17:40:59 | Cloudchaser | 60.00 for a cable is a bit pricey |
| 17:41:11 | chayim | Twiun : I just did and it hasn't showed up. I was wondering why I had no mail from zaurus-generl or zaurus-chat in the last 2 days. |
| 17:41:26 | Twiun | chayim: good point |
| 17:41:30 | | well, zaurus serial cable is http://www.sharpplace.com/searchresults.asp?search_id=20&dept_id=39 or http://www.thenerds.net/productpage.asp?pn=568065 |
| 17:41:30 | prpplague | ibot: zaurus serial cable |
| 17:41:43 | | Java FAQ is the Zaurus Java FAQ at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 17:41:43 | Twiun | ibot: Java FAQ |
| 17:42:00 | Cloudchaser | but he said at the moment they have to pay sharp retail price for the cables, then modify them |
| 17:42:57 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: ahh |
| 17:43:07 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: so this is a thirdparty doing it? |
| 17:43:13 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 17:43:27 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: ahh |
| 17:43:33 | Cloudchaser | i will wait a little bit to see if they do go down in price a bit |
| 17:43:44 | Cloudchaser | i didn't even wnat to pay 50.00 for a dang serial cable |
| 17:43:48 | Cloudchaser | but i do need one |
| 17:43:55 | chayim | has to go beat up a sysadmin about his mail server |
| 17:43:59 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: why not cut a deal with thenerds.com |
| 17:44:09 | Cloudchaser | paid 20 for an extra one for my jornada |
| 17:44:22 | Cloudchaser | what kind of deal? |
| 17:44:27 | Cloudchaser | what to they do? |
| 17:44:50 | Cloudchaser | its just a link to other links? |
| 17:45:21 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: check out the link above from ibot on serial cables |
| 17:45:33 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: i bout my serial cables for $31.00 |
| 17:46:28 | Cloudchaser | yes but it is a regular one |
| 17:46:29 | Cloudchaser | not a modified one |
| 17:47:03 | Twiun | ok... is there a list of valid qcop messages around somewhere? |
| 17:47:06 | Cloudchaser | oh maybe brown should check that out and buy from them |
| 17:47:08 | | Twiun: excuse me? |
| 17:47:08 | Twiun | ibot: qcop |
| 17:47:31 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: right, but if there are just buying the regular ones from sharp and then modifing them why not buy them for 30 instead of 60? |
| 17:47:32 | Cloudchaser | then resell the modified ones...least save 20.00 that way, or close to it |
| 17:47:45 | Cloudchaser | right, ithink they're 50.00 from sharp |
| 17:48:08 | Cloudchaser | they make 10.00 or less per modified cable |
| 17:48:23 | Cloudchaser | not much of a profit, after time/supplies |
| 17:49:15 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: true |
| 17:49:42 | benmeyer | Weeee! |
| 17:49:56 | benmeyer | My hands are all ruff and cut up, but all of the contest entries are packaged up |
| 17:50:10 | prpplague | benmeyer: fun |
| 17:52:31 | ljp_work | oh, so they didnt go to Bolivia? |
| 17:52:59 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: feeling poetic today? :) |
| 17:53:09 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer: if sharp isn't going to make rom for 1.6 qtopia, will they make one for 2.0 qtopia? |
| 17:54:34 | benmeyer | ? |
| 17:54:39 | benmeyer | no |
| 17:54:41 | Coup-getting-din | Noob Question: SD Card / MMC Card - so far as the Zaurus is concerned, is there any difference (barring £3 in price for a 64mb card) |
| 17:54:42 | benmeyer | I doubt it |
| 17:54:43 | tux_mike | damn these coworkers! |
| 17:54:57 | Cloudchaser | so its over for 5500 as far as sharp's concerned? |
| 17:54:59 | benmeyer | the 5000 and 55000 have there own branch from what I understant |
| 17:55:06 | benmeyer | and developers should develop for that branch |
| 17:55:10 | benmeyer | no |
| 17:55:10 | kergoth | Coup-getting-din: speed. mmc is slower |
| 17:55:11 | Cloudchaser | have to buy a new hardware to get software? |
| 17:55:14 | tux_mike | twice they have interrupted me while i was deep in thought and smashed my stack! |
| 17:55:17 | benmeyer | that branch will not continue |
| 17:55:24 | benmeyer | Sharps Qtopia is actually from 1.4 |
| 17:55:31 | benmeyer | but bug fixes do get intigrated |
| 17:55:35 | Neo|Work | darienm: around? |
| 17:55:37 | benmeyer | but they wont go to 1.6 |
| 17:55:44 | Cloudchaser | but the features... that people are wating for |
| 17:55:47 | benmeyer | so it will have the features of 1.6, but not be 1.6 |
| 17:55:59 | benmeyer | asuming that the features are intigrated |
| 17:56:07 | Cloudchaser | youwhat features of 1.6 will it have? |
| 17:56:10 | tux_mike | ben: know when the us Zs are gonna see the folder based doc tab? |
| 17:56:16 | Coup | Kergoth: nice one, cheers, worth the extra cash for the SD type then :) |
| 17:56:45 | Cloudchaser | it looks like 2.0 will have plug-in architecture for synching, customizable skins..etc |
| 17:57:00 | Cloudchaser | pim integration for 3rd party |
| 17:57:06 | tux_mike | cloud: where do you see this? |
| 17:57:13 | Cloudchaser | http://www.trolltech.com/developer/changes/roadmap.html?cr=1 |
| 17:57:17 | benmeyer | tux_mike: see the a300 |
| 17:57:18 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 17:57:34 | Cloudchaser | so we won't get all that for the z? |
| 17:57:40 | tux_mike | ben: i know the a300, when we gonna see that feature in the 5x00? :) |
| 17:57:46 | benmeyer | Don't know |
| 17:57:48 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 17:58:03 | benmeyer | Simply know that we don't use the main tree, but intigrate stuff into ours |
| 17:58:27 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer: Will we get those features, the docs tab thing? or is that one you don't know? |
| 17:58:45 | tux_mike | is that in the current qtopia cvs? |
| 17:58:50 | tux_mike | or is it a sharp fix? |
| 18:00:07 | benmeyer | I don't know the current stats of the next rom |
| 18:00:36 | Cloudchaser | who does know? or are we not allowed to know what *is* in store for us? |
| 18:02:48 | tux_mike | i just really want to know if sharp did the doc tab stuff or if TT did it. |
| 18:02:57 | tux_mike | i wanna know if we'll see it in opie ^_^ |
| 18:03:24 | Twiun | tux_mike: we could always just... ahem... forget it in opie... |
| 18:03:46 | Twiun | or was there some cool improvement in the a300 version? |
| 18:03:48 | treke | tux_mike: opie is getting a new documents tab eventually |
| 18:04:35 | tux_mike | eventually? |
| 18:05:26 | ljp_work | yes, as soon as ofileselector gets rewritten |
| 18:06:18 | ljp_work | this has been on the board for a few months already |
| 18:06:29 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: afaik it's Sharp that did it |
| 18:08:14 | Neo|Work | one improvement over the A300 tab would be to make it a better file manager (i.e dual view or better way to jump between directories |
| 18:13:13 | tux_mike | no wonder why this version doesn't work. i had 666 lines |
| 18:13:46 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:15:14 | tux_mike | i've almost had the solution 4 times already, but cow-orkers have interrupted me (and since i have to set them on NMI) they have smashed my stack and left me to figure it all over again -_- |
| 18:17:34 | Neo|Work | what are you talking about? :P |
| 18:18:07 | tux_mike | about how much coworkers can suck :P |
| 18:20:01 | tux_mike | this is one ugly loop: for (int k = ((y - h + 1) * 28) + i, int m = h - 1, k > 0; k -= 28, m--) { |
| 18:21:12 | Neo|Work | that be correct |
| 18:21:15 | kergoth | tux_mike: man, you need better variable names :) |
| 18:21:27 | tux_mike | kerg: these are all iterators :) |
| 18:21:40 | tux_mike | except y and h |
| 18:21:49 | tux_mike | y is the y pos, h is the height |
| 18:21:59 | kergoth | rephrases |
| 18:21:59 | tux_mike | the rest are all iterators :) |
| 18:22:02 | kergoth | you should rename y and h |
| 18:22:03 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:22:13 | tux_mike | why? they make sense. |
| 18:22:34 | tux_mike | typically /they/ are the variables i know. :) |
| 18:22:51 | Sniper | ugh |
| 18:22:54 | | you are packing units into boxes for shipment |
| 18:22:54 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 18:23:34 | Neo|Work | we need transporters (teleporters) |
| 18:23:37 | Neo|Work | would be so much handier |
| 18:23:43 | tux_mike | yah |
| 18:23:46 | tux_mike | no more commute :) |
| 18:23:59 | hardwire | Neo|Work: I would end up trying to multicast myself |
| 18:24:08 | hardwire | I don't think this place needs more me's |
| 18:24:09 | Neo|Work | gives the word 'telecommuniting' a whole new meaning |
| 18:24:36 | Neo|Work | me and a couple of friends were thinking about writing an RFC for MTP once (Matter Transport Protocol) |
| 18:24:53 | kergoth | hardwire: thats a scary thought |
| 18:25:06 | Neo|Work | I wouldn't mind a couple of more me's at times |
| 18:25:10 | tux_mike | hardwire: i'd send a ping of death to the teleporter if you tried that :) |
| 18:25:21 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:25:37 | hardwire | I might get some lost packets |
| 18:25:40 | hardwire | so I would be mutated |
| 18:25:51 | tux_mike | you'll be missing an arm |
| 18:26:07 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:26:15 | hardwire | or some of my spinal cord |
| 18:26:22 | tux_mike | you could always send yourself by udp. i'd be quicker. but you'd be all out of order |
| 18:26:31 | hardwire | true that |
| 18:26:32 | Neo|Work | No worries. MicroSoft would make sure that the number of Matter Protection Faults were kept to a minimum |
| 18:26:41 | hardwire | speaking of which.. I have to hack some t-mobile hotspots soon |
| 18:26:42 | kergoth | Neo|Work: thats scary |
| 18:27:17 | tux_mike | i woulnd't use a microsoft built or operated teleporter |
| 18:27:21 | Neo|Work | they would probably upload software that runs in your brain without consent |
| 18:27:31 | Neo|Work | or with implicit concept by signing a form or using their service.. |
| 18:27:32 | tux_mike | they don't build for security, they will prolly copy your brain |
| 18:27:40 | tux_mike | or some hacker will |
| 18:27:55 | kergoth | hurry up, patent your brain |
| 18:27:57 | Neo|Work | I'm glad this channel is always so on-topic |
| 18:28:16 | tux_mike | just like every irc channel :) |
| 18:28:36 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 18:28:49 | Neo|Work | the only reason for multiple channels is to split up people between them |
| 18:28:54 | mjn3 | has anyone had any luck running an app standalone fullscreen (not under qpe) using -qws? i can do it in landscape mode, but not in portrait. either the QWS_SIZE env var setting doesn't seem to work as documented when the display is rotated, or i'm (hopefully) failing to do something i should be doing. |
| 18:30:08 | kergoth | mjn3: its QWS_DISPLAY |
| 18:30:10 | kergoth | mjn3: iirc |
| 18:30:44 | kergoth | mjn3: export QWS_DISPLAY=Transformed:Rot[degrees]:0 |
| 18:30:48 | chouimat | Sniper ping |
| 18:30:53 | kergoth | mjn3: where [degrees] is 270 for portrait ont he Z |
| 18:31:26 | cranchy | kergoth: OZ out tonight? hehe |
| 18:31:42 | kergoth | cranchy: you should just set up a 'pester kergoth' cronjob |
| 18:31:44 | kergoth | cranchy: :) |
| 18:31:51 | mjn3 | kergoth: i know. i'm already using QWS_DISPLAY="Transformed:Rot270", but then the applet gets the size wrong, and nothing i've tried with QWS_SIZE seems to help |
| 18:32:15 | kergoth | mjn3: ahhhh |
| 18:32:18 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 18:32:52 | cranchy | brb....got to make a new job for kergoth... |
| 18:33:02 | cranchy | email, or just message you in the channel? |
| 18:33:04 | cranchy | ;) |
| 18:33:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:33:10 | kergoth | my mailbox is down |
| 18:33:15 | kergoth | i'm so.. out of touch |
| 18:33:23 | cranchy | I'll send Randy Moss after you...run you down :) |
| 18:33:25 | kergoth | gotta set up a mailserver at home tomorrow |
| 18:33:27 | kergoth | cranchy: hah |
| 18:34:29 | mjn3 | the app still seems to think the display is 240x320. setting 320x240 causes the app to screw up the geometry differently. :-( surprisingly, i can set it to 320x320 and get something that almost works, although the horizontal calibraiton is wrong. |
| 18:34:40 | mdz_ | prpplague: hi |
| 18:34:53 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you know if debian is moving to gcc 3.2 soon? |
| 18:35:11 | kergoth | tux_mike: not certain. from what i hear, i almost hope they wait till 3.2.1 |
| 18:35:18 | kergoth | tux_mike: as i said, i'm out of touch. no email. no mailing lists. |
| 18:38:51 | mdz_ | tux_mike: you mean for the default compiler? |
| 18:39:06 | tux_mike | yah |
| 18:39:26 | mdz_ | there are various issues that still need to be worked out on some architectures |
| 18:39:34 | mdz_ | you can follow the debian-gcc list for details |
| 18:39:36 | mdz_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/ |
| 18:40:42 | tux_mike | i'd like to be able to do my heavy optimizations to any distro i use :) |
| 18:41:03 | kergoth | muttters |
| 18:41:09 | kergoth | i need to subscribe to more debian lists |
| 18:41:25 | kergoth | rather than just various announce lists and debian-arm |
| 18:41:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:45:31 | cranchy | I'm gonna kill my gentoo install :) |
| 18:46:49 | nadav | what port does the Z listen to for ftp? |
| 18:47:05 | cranchy | 4241 |
| 18:47:06 | cranchy | ? |
| 18:47:13 | cranchy | I think... |
| 18:47:15 | nadav | i'll try |
| 18:47:27 | kergoth | 4242 |
| 18:47:29 | kergoth | ;) |
| 18:47:30 | kergoth | close though |
| 18:47:33 | cranchy | damnit :) was thinking that |
| 18:47:40 | cranchy | I just pulled out my Z |
| 18:47:45 | nadav | ah |
| 18:47:48 | chouimat | cranchy: why kill gentoo? |
| 18:47:56 | cranchy | haha...trying to put KDE3.1 |
| 18:47:59 | nadav | hm |
| 18:48:02 | cranchy | wouldn't work...so now I'm doing emerge -e kde |
| 18:48:03 | nadav | it asks for a password? |
| 18:48:06 | cranchy | not advisable |
| 18:48:09 | diclophis | anyone know a small DOM xml parser? |
| 18:48:17 | cranchy | qtopia I think nadav |
| 18:48:25 | cranchy | kergoth will correct me in 5....4....3.... |
| 18:48:26 | cranchy | ;) |
| 18:48:26 | nadav | works. thanks! |
| 18:48:28 | nadav | haha |
| 18:48:33 | | oGMo: i'm not following you... |
| 18:48:33 | oGMo | ibot: key mapping |
| 18:48:37 | | key mappings are at http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/doc/pdf/SL5000KeyAssign.pdf |
| 18:48:37 | oGMo | ibot: key mappings? |
| 18:48:37 | kergoth | cranchy: hehe |
| 18:48:46 | cranchy | no problem nadav |
| 18:48:47 | chouimat | cranchy: I'm recompiling kde 3.1 for the second time today. forgot to do emerge unmerge gcc-3.1-r6 yesterday :) |
| 18:48:47 | kergoth | diclophis: libopie :) |
| 18:48:58 | cranchy | I'm on gcc3.2 |
| 18:49:13 | diclophis | libopie has a dom xml support? |
| 18:49:15 | chouimat | cranchy: me too. now it's ok |
| 18:49:22 | cranchy | but when I was getting to kdelibs-3.1beta1 |
| 18:49:27 | diclophis | also anyone do any java development on the z and have any decent tutorials or sites |
| 18:49:41 | cranchy | it was hanging up...so I emerged it separately, and injected it... |
| 18:49:48 | cranchy | but all my future ebuilds would fail |
| 18:49:57 | chouimat | cranchy: I compiling the cvs head |
| 18:50:03 | cranchy | hmmm |
| 18:50:08 | cranchy | I'm doing the ebuilds... |
| 18:50:09 | chouimat | cranchy: no ebuild |
| 18:50:44 | cranchy | maybe thats the problem |
| 18:50:51 | chouimat | wonders how many Z Sniper manage to send today |
| 18:50:53 | cranchy | well I'm doing emerge -e kde...I hope its done before 5 |
| 18:51:14 | cranchy | been going since 9:45 |
| 18:51:17 | chouimat | cranchy: which CPU? |
| 18:51:36 | | Sniper: sorry... |
| 18:51:36 | Sniper | ibot sniper forget me |
| 18:51:43 | | Sniper: I forgot sniper |
| 18:51:43 | Sniper | ibot forget Sniper |
| 18:51:50 | cranchy | PIII 1.0 |
| 18:52:02 | chouimat | cranchy: PIII/667 |
| 18:52:06 | | Sniper: huh? |
| 18:52:06 | Sniper | ibot Sniper has finished boxing and labeling the units for shipment |
| 18:52:09 | Sniper | damn |
| 18:52:11 | | Sniper: excuse me? |
| 18:52:11 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 18:52:22 | Sniper | chouimat: im sending your unit now |
| 18:52:24 | | Hmm. I forgot Sniper. Sorry. |
| 18:52:24 | Neo|Work | ibot: sniper |
| 18:52:25 | chouimat | Sniper: wow!! |
| 18:52:32 | nadav | hm. |
| 18:52:49 | chouimat | Sniper: you must be exausted |
| 18:52:49 | nadav | i showed my Z today to some palm owners |
| 18:52:51 | chouimat | ducks |
| 18:53:03 | Sniper | chouimat: spent last 2 hrs doing this - ben helpde me |
| 18:53:12 | Sniper | chouiamt: i put customs at $15 |
| 18:53:14 | nadav | responses: "Hm. That looks weird." *opens keyboard* "WOAH! that's sweet" |
| 18:53:26 | Sniper | nadav: were you part of the dev challenge? |
| 18:53:31 | nadav | sniper: nope. |
| 18:53:43 | Sniper | ok gotta run - need to call mail room to pickup boxes |
| 18:53:46 | nadav | Sniper: i just got my Z 3 days ago (from being fixed) |
| 18:53:47 | chouimat | Sniper: ok |
| 18:54:01 | Sniper | i have a 5 stacks of Zs up to my head |
| 18:54:06 | Sniper | nadav:ccool |
| 18:54:08 | mdz_ | tux_mike: you can certainly install and use gcc-3.2 if you want, it just isn't the default |
| 18:54:17 | cranchy | chouimat: think it'll be done by 5 :P |
| 18:54:19 | mdz_ | tux_mike: but don't expect everything to build with it yet |
| 18:54:22 | cranchy | Its redoing lots of shit |
| 18:54:27 | nadav | Sniper: send me an extra one.. please? :D |
| 18:54:29 | nadav | just kidding. |
| 18:54:35 | chouimat | Sniper: add gift too, don't want a zealous custom officer to call here :) |
| 18:54:45 | KhensU | hehe |
| 18:54:58 | cranchy | I determined the SharpROM isn't my friend |
| 18:54:58 | ciaolinux | Sniper: when will they leave? |
| 18:55:23 | kergoth | cranchy: I could say something sarcastic here, but I wont |
| 18:55:25 | kergoth | cranchy: ;-) |
| 18:56:48 | chouimat | ciaolinux: soon :) |
| 18:57:06 | cranchy | such as YOU not beeing my friend :P |
| 18:57:07 | cranchy | haha |
| 18:58:24 | ciaolinux | chouimat: today? |
| 18:58:24 | cranchy | OZ sucks too :P |
| 18:59:39 | cranchy | haha j/k |
| 19:00:42 | kergoth | cranchy: smartass |
| 19:00:42 | Coup | newbie question (again!): My unit shipped out to me with ROM v 2.35 - this good or bad? :) |
| 19:00:44 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:00:44 | cranchy | haha |
| 19:00:45 | chouimat | ciaolinux: I hope |
| 19:00:45 | nadav | i gotta get me a CF card |
| 19:00:45 | nadav | and try OZ |
| 19:00:45 | nadav | brb |
| 19:00:45 | Coup | must send off to sharp for my free CF card & power kit :) |
| 19:00:45 | [DrEvil] | looks for kergoth |
| 19:00:45 | kergoth | hides behind glibc |
| 19:00:45 | [DrEvil] | there is enough room behind that |
| 19:00:45 | [DrEvil] | something is up with ifupdown |
| 19:00:45 | Neo|Work | is away: afk |
| 19:00:46 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: whats it doin? |
| 19:00:46 | [DrEvil] | and fbvncserver |
| 19:00:46 | mjn3 | thinks glibc is _big_ enough to hide behind |
| 19:00:46 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: compile problems, or use problems |
| 19:00:46 | kergoth | mjn3: agreed :) |
| 19:00:46 | [DrEvil] | make[2]: Entering directory `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/packages/ifupdown' |
| 19:00:47 | [DrEvil] | cd /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/ifupdown-0.6.4; chmod a+rx defn2c.pl defn2man.pl makecdep.sh makenwdep.sh; |
| 19:00:47 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: cd: /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/ifupdown-0.6.4: No such file or directory |
| 19:00:47 | [DrEvil] | chmod: failed to get attributes of `defn2c.pl': No such file or directory |
| 19:00:47 | [DrEvil] | chmod: failed to get attributes of `defn2man.pl': No such file or directory |
| 19:00:47 | [DrEvil] | chmod: failed to get attributes of `makecdep.sh': No such file or directory |
| 19:00:47 | [DrEvil] | chmod: failed to get attributes of `makenwdep.sh': No such file or directory |
| 19:00:47 | [DrEvil] | make[2]: *** [/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/stamps/.ifupdown.binary] Error 1 |
| 19:00:52 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: script; make SUBDIRS=packages/ifupdown clean package; ^D, send me typesript |
| 19:01:11 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: also, paste that crap in #openzaurus, so as not to disturb the locals |
| 19:01:26 | [DrEvil] | are you paying attention there? |
| 19:01:31 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:03:32 | Coup | ANOTHER newbie question: Qtopia Desktop/Backup: Does it backup everything I've installed? or should I write a bash scrip to knock everything out to a desktop machine via SAMBA? :) |
| 19:05:30 | Cloudchaser | the backup app on the sharp rom does a nice job, backs up to cf or sd card |
| 19:05:31 | Cloudchaser | the qtopia desktop one i don't think backs everything up |
| 19:05:50 | chouimat | bbl |
| 19:05:56 | Coup | OK, so, i'll head out tommorow and grab a CF for backup, and SD for data :) |
| 19:06:06 | Coup | Cloudchaser: Ta :) |
| 19:06:13 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 19:10:07 | cranchy | cronjob - pester kergoth (15 minutes) |
| 19:11:27 | kergoth | cranchy: hehe |
| 19:13:48 | [DrEvil] | interesting |
| 19:13:57 | Sempervia | hey all |
| 19:14:06 | [DrEvil] | Mangdrake 9.0 has a CD image just for localizations |
| 19:14:41 | Sempervia | does anyone know where I can get some apps for my zaurus 5500? preferrably quake and tetris, and some code languages? |
| 19:14:43 | kergoth | Sempervia: zsi |
| 19:14:44 | [DrEvil] | um |
| 19:14:45 | | i heard zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 19:14:45 | kergoth | ibot zsi |
| 19:14:50 | [DrEvil] | Quake is too slow to run on the Z |
| 19:14:57 | [DrEvil] | you can get Doom though |
| 19:15:01 | kergoth | doom on the Z rocks |
| 19:15:03 | kergoth | i love showing it off |
| 19:15:08 | Harlekin | or donate quake some asm code |
| 19:15:19 | Harlekin | should be able to get quake to 20-24 fps |
| 19:15:26 | Harlekin | people did it for pocketpc |
| 19:15:46 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: try some scummvm games |
| 19:15:58 | [DrEvil] | those are pretty damn cool on the S |
| 19:15:59 | [DrEvil] | Z |
| 19:16:03 | kergoth | good idea |
| 19:16:12 | kergoth | i'd like to try sarien or one of the other sierra game engines too |
| 19:16:18 | kergoth | i want leisure suit larry on my zaurus damnit |
| 19:16:23 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 19:16:27 | Sempervia | thanks |
| 19:16:36 | [DrEvil] | I don't think the Sierra games that run in sarien are that pretty |
| 19:16:47 | Sempervia | thanks everyone |
| 19:16:51 | kergoth | true that. fun anyway though |
| 19:16:52 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:17:17 | prpplague | kergoth: so do i |
| 19:17:22 | [DrEvil] | all the original 16 color games is about all |
| 19:17:28 | prpplague | kergoth:lll was cool game |
| 19:17:50 | kergoth | prpplague: i remember trying to guess to get past the questions at the beginning when i was underage |
| 19:17:52 | [DrEvil] | and they were too keyboard intensive |
| 19:17:53 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe |
| 19:18:02 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yeah. and grammatically sensitive |
| 19:18:11 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: pick up the object, not pick the object up :) |
| 19:19:47 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: alot more challenging that present day adventure games though |
| 19:19:50 | prpplague | kergoth: i had lsl for the apple][e |
| 19:19:54 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: course the adventure game market is pretty much dead |
| 19:20:41 | [DrEvil] | supposedly Sierra is working on another Space Quest version |
| 19:21:08 | [DrEvil] | there are plenty of adventure type games in the console market |
| 19:21:08 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i heard rumors that al lowe is going to do a new lsl |
| 19:21:12 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: thatd be nifty |
| 19:21:13 | kergoth | thats true |
| 19:21:18 | kergoth | pc gaming is lame atm |
| 19:21:28 | kergoth | with the exception of nwn, ut 2003, that sort of thing |
| 19:21:32 | [DrEvil] | that depends |
| 19:21:40 | [DrEvil] | I think Serious Sam is pretty damn nice |
| 19:21:59 | kergoth | true that. |
| 19:22:03 | kergoth | i like games with an attitude |
| 19:22:08 | [DrEvil] | lots of those fps games are too network oriented |
| 19:22:12 | kergoth | wheres duke nukem damnit |
| 19:22:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:22:12 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:22:17 | [DrEvil] | while Sam doesn't have much of a story line |
| 19:22:27 | [DrEvil] | you still feel satisfied after playing it by yourself |
| 19:22:51 | [DrEvil] | that is one of the things I liked about the original Doom |
| 19:22:56 | [DrEvil] | and Quake 1 |
| 19:22:56 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:22:58 | kergoth | doom was amazing |
| 19:23:05 | kergoth | i remember working to beat it |
| 19:23:14 | kergoth | i barely bother with most games now |
| 19:23:16 | mdz_ | I remember it was actually fun for more than a week |
| 19:23:24 | kergoth | mdz_: exactly! |
| 19:23:59 | [DrEvil] | the networked games are good for the publishers because they don't have to constantly develop new AI |
| 19:24:14 | kergoth | dont get me wrong, i love a good deathmatch, but ai is good too |
| 19:24:28 | kergoth | thats one thing, unreal tournament has pretty good bots. i'm glad they havent slacked on that |
| 19:24:33 | [DrEvil] | I like the wing commander type gamew |
| 19:24:41 | Coup | problems with http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus at the moment? |
| 19:24:49 | tux_mike | my brain is one smoldering piece of charcoal right now |
| 19:24:57 | numatrix | Coup: works fine for me. |
| 19:24:59 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yeah, those are fun. i liked the original x-wing too |
| 19:25:02 | [DrEvil] | why is it that KDE didn't restart kicker when I killed it |
| 19:25:15 | [DrEvil] | Lucas makes some good games |
| 19:25:25 | Coup | numatrix: weird, i can get to google, but not anywhere else - time for a restart perhaps! |
| 19:25:29 | Coup | good old XP |
| 19:25:31 | Coup | <sigh> |
| 19:25:34 | SmBJ | can opie-remote work with the sharprom? |
| 19:25:46 | numatrix | Coup: probably cached. |
| 19:25:56 | kergoth | SmBJ: theoretically. i dont think anyone has managed to get opie-remote working on a Z at all yet |
| 19:26:03 | Coup | numatrix: nope, searching worked :) |
| 19:26:04 | numatrix | SmBJ: Make sure you have libopie installed. You may or may not need openobex. |
| 19:26:08 | numatrix | Coup: very strange. |
| 19:26:10 | Coup | BRB |
| 19:26:17 | tux_mike | smbj: you need the lirc modules |
| 19:26:27 | SmBJ | okay |
| 19:26:35 | numatrix | If anybody wants to play with a nintendo emulator I compiled (from fce/ultra), the binary only file is available at: |
| 19:26:38 | | nes emulator is http://psifertex.com/zaurus/fceu.gz |
| 19:26:38 | numatrix | ibot: nes emulator |
| 19:27:04 | tux_mike | is it working wiht QWS? |
| 19:27:19 | numatrix | Keys are arrows, SPACE, TAB, ENTER, and J for select, start, A, and B (not necessarily in that order). S and L save and load stages, and 0-9 selects save slots. |
| 19:27:28 | numatrix | tux_mike: It's SDl. |
| 19:27:32 | tux_mike | ah |
| 19:27:52 | numatrix | tux_mike: Thanks for reminding me; should have mentioned that too. Need a recent libsdl and libsdl_mixer. It has sound! :-) |
| 19:28:09 | tux_mike | woot |
| 19:28:33 | SmBJ | m |
| 19:30:37 | Coup | Hmm, can get to bbc.co.uk, ccn.com, etc, but not killfilez damnit :( |
| 19:30:50 | SmBJ | yeah, same here |
| 19:30:59 | Coup | busted :( |
| 19:32:09 | Coup | hmmm cant get to open SSH either! thinking something must be up with a link between my ISP (or the UK!?!) and some parts of the US! |
| 19:32:37 | SmBJ | talking about killefiz? i'm in the us and can't get to it |
| 19:33:42 | Coup | doh! |
| 19:33:49 | Coup | can u get to openssh.com? |
| 19:34:31 | SmBJ | yep |
| 19:34:39 | Coup | Hardware Question: Cable to go between SOny CMD-Z5 mobile & the Z? Anyone know of one? or know where I could get details to make one? :) |
| 19:34:43 | SmBJ | hm |
| 19:34:55 | Coup | hmmm i cant go there either! |
| 19:34:59 | SmBJ | killefiz loaded |
| 19:35:01 | SmBJ | bah |
| 19:35:12 | SmBJ | nah, probably just from cache |
| 19:35:20 | SmBJ | as i cant go to any pages other than the main |
| 19:35:24 | Coup | :) |
| 19:35:54 | SmBJ | just when i was looking for new apps. fs |
| 19:36:58 | | Notes_Applets 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=585 |
| 19:36:59 | | Ant 1.5 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=587 |
| 19:37:00 | | Atomic 0.0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=561 |
| 19:37:01 | | 3 of 5 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=show recent zsi |
| 19:37:01 | killefiz | ibot: show recent zsi |
| 19:40:30 | Coup | OK, time to try a different ISP, brb |
| 19:41:20 | Sempervia | haivng trouble getting a game boy emulator to run on the zaurus, can someone help me out? |
| 19:42:05 | | contest is probably http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ or NEW: UPDATE ON CHALLENGE WEBSITE - SHIPPING DELAYED |
| 19:42:05 | diclophis | ibot contest |
| 19:42:49 | | benmeyer was last seen on #opie 42 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: nice try [Thu Sep 26 20:00:44 2002] |
| 19:42:49 | diclophis | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 19:42:58 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 48 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: nadav:ccool [Thu Sep 26 19:54:06 2002] |
| 19:42:58 | diclophis | ibot seen sniper |
| 19:43:06 | Sempervia | anyone? |
| 19:43:38 | diclophis | whats the trouble |
| 19:43:38 | Coup | OK, it was a prob with my ISP, connected with UKLinux and all is well in the land of killefiz |
| 19:44:20 | diclophis | Sniper you around? |
| 19:44:23 | Sempervia | I have the "gameboyZ" emulator, and a game in my documents folder, what is the command string I need to input to get to it? |
| 19:44:44 | Sempervia | I've tried finding it through terminal, but I can't seem to get to it |
| 19:44:50 | diclophis | read the docs that came with it.. if its an ipk i would imagine that it put something in the menu |
| 19:45:00 | diclophis | if you can see any related binary files do, chmod +x filename |
| 19:45:01 | diclophis | on it |
| 19:45:06 | diclophis | and then ./filename |
| 19:45:43 | Cloudchaser | gameboy z puts an icon on games tab |
| 19:45:54 | Cloudchaser | i think you need a library |
| 19:45:57 | Cloudchaser | but cant remember |
| 19:45:57 | Sempervia | yeah, it put's the emulator icon, but not the game |
| 19:45:59 | Cloudchaser | oh sdl |
| 19:46:11 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:47:08) |
| 19:46:13 | Cloudchaser | you have to tell the emulator where to look for the games |
| 19:46:41 | Cloudchaser | once you tell it the path, it will see the games |
| 19:46:52 | Sempervia | yeah, but what's the path? |
| 19:47:01 | Cloudchaser | wherever you put the roms |
| 19:47:05 | Sempervia | can't seem to find that, even while checking through terminal |
| 19:47:10 | Sempervia | it's in my documents folder |
| 19:47:35 | Cloudchaser | or something similar |
| 19:47:41 | levi_ | Sempervia: /home/root/Documents and then more directories from the mime-type of the file |
| 19:47:47 | Sempervia | thanks |
| 19:48:01 | Cloudchaser | /mnt/Documents/application/octet-stream if its on your card |
| 19:48:17 | Sempervia | kae, thanks |
| 19:48:24 | Cloudchaser | any type of files the z doesn't recognize goes into octet-stream |
| 19:49:42 | Sempervia | yeah, it's an octet-stream file, but trying to mount it didn't work either, nothing |
| 19:49:50 | Cloudchaser | did you install libSDL |
| 19:50:00 | tux_mike | According to industry estimates, over 2.6 billion music files are downloaded illegally every month where do they get this number? that's 48TB per second dedicated to illicit music, and 100 full albums per persion in america. |
| 19:50:01 | Sempervia | this thing is right out of the box, and so no |
| 19:50:14 | kergoth | tux_mike: lol |
| 19:50:27 | Cloudchaser | read the instructions that comes with the emu |
| 19:50:30 | Sempervia | kae |
| 19:50:31 | tux_mike | who's ass did they reach up to get this number! |
| 19:50:51 | Cloudchaser | you if you have the sdl gameboy emu you'll need libSDL |
| 19:51:53 | Sempervia | it says it's and sdl, gpl, gameboy emulator, so I need libSDL, yes? |
| 19:51:59 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 19:52:11 | Sempervia | where can I grab that? |
| 19:52:19 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 19:52:19 | Cloudchaser | ibot zsi |
| 19:52:23 | Cloudchaser | there |
| 19:52:32 | Sempervia | thanks |
| 19:53:52 | Sempervia | kae, it loaded up an apache server, with a bunch of downloads, which file do I grab? sorry for all the questions, but I'm still a zaurus/linux newbie |
| 19:54:59 | numatrix | Sempervia: Download these files to your zaurus and install them: http://www.lifl.fr/~courbot/zaurus/feed/libSDL_1.2.5cvs-2_arm.ipk |
| 19:55:11 | numatrix | and http://www.lifl.fr/~courbot/zaurus/feed/libSDL-mixer_1.2.5cvs-1_arm.ipk and http://www.lifl.fr/~courbot/zaurus/feed/libSDL-net_1.2.5cvs-1_arm.ipk |
| 19:55:21 | Sempervia | thanks |
| 19:55:25 | Sempervia | that's all of them? |
| 19:55:29 | numatrix | Once you install those, the gameboy emulator should work. I assume you're using GameboyZ, the emulator I did? |
| 19:55:34 | numatrix | Sempervia: Those are the only ones you need for gbz. |
| 19:55:48 | numatrix | Sempervia: You might need the others for different SDL programs. |
| 19:55:59 | Sempervia | yeah I'm running gameboyz, and thanks |
| 19:56:01 | Sempervia | and kae |
| 20:01:36 | codemnky | hey, check this out, i got it at comp-usa usb fan http://www.oddabon.com/fan.jpg |
| 20:02:29 | levi_ | It's USB-powered? |
| 20:03:17 | codemnky | yes |
| 20:03:23 | codemnky | i got a light too: |
| 20:03:29 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/light.jpg |
| 20:03:38 | codemnky | it's neato |
| 20:03:46 | codemnky | 19.99 |
| 20:05:15 | codemnky | the fan blades are very soft plastic, they lay flat when it's off. very cool idea |
| 20:05:22 | codemnky | wish i thought of it damnit! |
| 20:05:29 | SmBJ | hah |
| 20:05:29 | oGMo | oh COOL |
| 20:05:43 | jmhodges | i need one of those! |
| 20:05:45 | jmhodges | :-D |
| 20:05:51 | Coup | Ahhh QUALITY just found "buzzword bingo" and i have a meeting tommorow with a top tier manager :) |
| 20:05:57 | oGMo | just discovered Fn-Shift-V |
| 20:06:00 | kergoth | buzzword bingo rocks |
| 20:06:06 | oGMo | man that'll save me time |
| 20:07:05 | codemnky | oGMo what does that do? |
| 20:07:10 | codemnky | fn-shift-V ? |
| 20:07:11 | oGMo | ... |
| 20:07:17 | oGMo | codemnky: inserts the current date |
| 20:07:29 | SmBJ | really? |
| 20:07:32 | codemnky | oh, on the Z? |
| 20:07:43 | jmhodges | lol Coup |
| 20:07:47 | oGMo | er, hrm, maybe not in every app |
| 20:07:57 | jmhodges | sweet oGMo |
| 20:08:00 | oGMo | no, definitely does |
| 20:08:02 | nitup | doesn't work in mobilesheet |
| 20:08:08 | oGMo | nitup: yeah it does |
| 20:08:11 | oGMo | nitup: start editing |
| 20:08:26 | | car is a very beautifull piece of craft |
| 20:08:26 | Fatbum | ibot: car |
| 20:08:30 | | Fatbum: i'm not following you... |
| 20:08:30 | Fatbum | ibot: car charger |
| 20:08:37 | | Fatbum: sorry... |
| 20:08:37 | Fatbum | ibot: zaurus charger |
| 20:08:39 | nitup | hmm... not working for me |
| 20:08:40 | oGMo | except it does it twice (?!) |
| 20:09:04 | codemnky | ttyl |
| 20:09:12 | oGMo | er, hrm |
| 20:09:33 | oGMo | never mind, maybe not |
| 20:09:48 | oGMo | it'd be effing useful if it _did_ :P |
| 20:09:49 | Fatbum | any1 see the article on car chargers that work witht hte z? |
| 20:09:53 | Fatbum | from radio shack? |
| 20:09:59 | oGMo | i wonder if i can grab keys |
| 20:10:52 | nitup | damn... I saw the ipaq charger in ratshack a coupla months back for $10... passed it up... /me kicks himself |
| 20:11:23 | Fatbum | damn |
| 20:11:33 | Fatbum | well any1 know whats + and - on the charger? |
| 20:11:42 | Fatbum | i/e ring/tip |
| 20:11:45 | Coup | dont know if it's just a UK offer or not, but anyone who bought Zaurus before end. sept can get a free 64mb CF, free car charger, free USB charger & free instant-power (one shot charger) from Sharp :) |
| 20:12:02 | Fatbum | ! fuckers |
| 20:12:04 | Fatbum | i hate that |
| 20:12:07 | Fatbum | what about us oldies |
| 20:12:12 | Coup | :( |
| 20:12:23 | Coup | sorry, wont let your distress stop me claiming my goodies tho :) |
| 20:12:31 | Coup | :P |
| 20:14:11 | Sempervia | kae |
| 20:14:17 | kendrick2 | re |
| 20:14:20 | kendrick2 | re |
| 20:14:23 | kergoth | hey kendrick2 |
| 20:14:31 | kendrick2 | anyone here got the latest Linux Journal? |
| 20:14:33 | Sempervia | did all that, all the packets installed, however, now what do I need to do to run the games? |
| 20:14:33 | Sempervia | I do |
| 20:14:47 | Sempervia | the October/security issue? |
| 20:14:49 | kendrick2 | the one with the bloody hand? |
| 20:14:53 | Sempervia | yeah |
| 20:14:56 | kendrick2 | yeah - my 'tux paint' apps apparently in there |
| 20:15:03 | kendrick2 | can you open to the 'focus on software' sect? |
| 20:15:04 | Sempervia | really? |
| 20:15:05 | Sempervia | sure |
| 20:15:08 | kendrick2 | (i dont have my copy yet!) |
| 20:15:14 | kendrick2 | yeah, apparently!! :) |
| 20:15:16 | kendrick2 | thx |
| 20:15:22 | Fatbum | any1 know? ring/tip of the power connecter |
| 20:15:40 | Sempervia | well congrats, it's the first app mentioned |
| 20:15:49 | Sempervia | gives you a round of applause |
| 20:16:00 | sig | Chasey lain? |
| 20:16:00 | Chasey | sig: Ummm......What were we talking about again? |
| 20:16:05 | kendrick2 | what does it say? :) |
| 20:16:07 | kendrick2 | positive? |
| 20:16:14 | Fatbum | um |
| 20:16:16 | kendrick2 | damnit! need to go home & check mail! |
| 20:16:30 | Sempervia | it's titled Tux Paint www.newbreedssoftware.com/tuxpaint |
| 20:16:44 | kendrick2 | does it mention how multilingual it is? :) |
| 20:16:57 | sig | seen Chasey |
| 20:16:58 | Sempervia | no |
| 20:16:59 | Chasey | sig: Ummmm....... |
| 20:17:10 | Sempervia | but that's awesome, really congrats |
| 20:17:25 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 20:17:50 | Sempervia | but, can someone help me with the emulator problem again? |
| 20:17:53 | Sempervia | sorry |
| 20:17:59 | kendrick2 | 3rd time in LJ for me :) |
| 20:18:01 | kendrick2 | (well, for my SW) |
| 20:18:07 | Sempervia | nice |
| 20:18:41 | kendrick2 | anyway - thx semp. |
| 20:18:45 | Sempervia | np |
| 20:19:01 | Sempervia | may I ask what you coded it in? |
| 20:19:03 | sig | Chasey: are you a female porn star? |
| 20:19:03 | Chasey | sig: Yes, I am. |
| 20:19:09 | sig | hmmm |
| 20:19:33 | Sempervia | anyone? |
| 20:19:43 | kendrick2 | semp - c |
| 20:20:05 | kendrick2 | hey! it's an alicebot! |
| 20:20:09 | kendrick2 | met the guy who wrote alice |
| 20:20:15 | kendrick2 | chasey: how's dr. wallace? |
| 20:20:15 | nitup | c, the language of gods |
| 20:20:17 | Sempervia | coolness, thanks |
| 20:20:18 | sig | cool |
| 20:20:19 | Sempervia | truly |
| 20:20:48 | sig | Chasey: how's dr. wallace? |
| 20:20:49 | Chasey | sig: Fine as far as I know. Umm......Do you like the climate in Atlanta? |
| 20:21:06 | sig | Chasey: no not really, I think atlanta is a dump. |
| 20:21:07 | Chasey | sig: ...Really? Why not?Oh really? You believe that? What makes it that? |
| 20:21:23 | sig | kendrick2: heh |
| 20:21:43 | Neo|Work | Chasey: are you alive? |
| 20:21:44 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Yeah...or else I wouldnt be talking to you.....duh...... |
| 20:21:48 | Sempervia | please, is there anybody who can help me get "GameboyZ" working? |
| 20:21:55 | kendrick2 | semp - never tried it |
| 20:21:59 | Sempervia | kae, thanks |
| 20:22:00 | tux_mike | nor have i |
| 20:22:15 | Sempervia | this just sucks |
| 20:22:23 | kendrick2 | "I have no interest in a package flame war, and I'm not here to advocate |
| 20:22:24 | kendrick2 | the Debian distribution (Slack Slack Slack), but I have to ask:" |
| 20:22:29 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 20:22:47 | Neo|Work | Chasey: do you like meat? I like meat. |
| 20:22:47 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Some people like it. You are not the only one. Some people like it. |
| 20:22:56 | Neo|Work | Chasey: but do you? |
| 20:22:57 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Hmmm....Sometimes. |
| 20:23:04 | SmBJ | heh |
| 20:23:05 | Neo|Work | Chasey: I know the feeling. |
| 20:23:05 | Chasey | Neo|Work: How do you know? What is that? |
| 20:23:17 | Neo|Work | Chasey: love baby |
| 20:23:17 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Dont call me that. Love is all we need. |
| 20:23:25 | Neo|Work | lol |
| 20:23:29 | sig | lol |
| 20:23:33 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:23:40 | Neo|Work | sugar make Chasey a bloody mary |
| 20:23:40 | Chasey | Neo|Work: That is a very original thought....are you a poet? |
| 20:23:40 | Sugar | shakes vodka, tomato juice, lemon juice, worcestershire sauce, tabasco sauce, salt and pepper to taste and ice, strains it into an old-fashioned glass over ice cubes then adds wedge of lime and serves it to Chasey. |
| 20:23:41 | Chasey | Sugar: Umm.....that response was really, really long.....You think you could like rephrase it? Mmmm.....really? |
| 20:23:42 | Cloudchaser | Sempervia: did you install the libSDL? |
| 20:24:15 | Neo|Work | sugar give Chasey a hand grenade |
| 20:24:15 | Chasey | Neo|Work: That is a very original thought....are you a poet? |
| 20:24:16 | Sugar | goes into the kitchen, takes out a hand grenade and hands it to Chasey. |
| 20:24:17 | Chasey | goes into the kitchen take out a hand grenade and hands it to? Is that your final answer? ; ) |
| 20:24:34 | Sempervia | yeah, I did |
| 20:24:42 | Neo|Work | Chasey: no. You are a poet are you not? |
| 20:24:43 | Chasey | Neo|Work: ....I guess its your descision. Thanks and you are a delightful person too.Am I a poet are me not? Yes. |
| 20:24:51 | Sempervia | may I pm you cloudchaser? |
| 20:25:02 | Neo|Work | ok, enough fun for today. Good bye Chasey |
| 20:25:03 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Allright...lets stop now.Yeah that's right. Goodbye. |
| 20:25:16 | Cloudchaser | sure |
| 20:25:20 | Sempervia | thanks |
| 20:26:14 | kendrick2 | wanders |
| 20:26:16 | kendrick2 | work to be done |
| 20:26:39 | extremis | kergoth |
| 20:26:49 | extremis | I'm here to do my duty and bug you for a release |
| 20:26:52 | extremis | the people want a release |
| 20:26:57 | extremis | a protest will form soon |
| 20:27:03 | alphablue | releases... |
| 20:27:08 | extremis | hah |
| 20:27:14 | alphablue | o u wanted another kind of release.. |
| 20:27:18 | Neo|Work | Chasey: give extremis the new OpenZaurus release |
| 20:27:18 | Chasey | Neo|Work: I dont have extremis the new OpenZaurus release to give. |
| 20:28:07 | Neo|Work | that's just too bad Chasey |
| 20:28:07 | Chasey | Neo|Work: It's not the end of the world. |
| 20:28:19 | Neo|Work | Well, Chasey, I believe it is. |
| 20:28:20 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Interesting. Um,Just because you believe it doesn't make it true. |
| 20:28:27 | Neo|Work | Chasey: of course it does |
| 20:28:27 | sig | lol |
| 20:28:28 | Chasey | Neo|Work: It goes without saying.How often? |
| 20:28:34 | Neo|Work | Chasey: all the time! |
| 20:28:35 | Chasey | Neo|Work: It must keep you busy. |
| 20:28:42 | Neo|Work | Chasey: yes, being God is a hard job. |
| 20:28:43 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Are you kidding?Do you mind if I tell other people you are god is a hard job. |
| 20:28:52 | sig | lmao |
| 20:28:56 | Neo|Work | Chasey: no, but if you do they will laugh at you. |
| 20:28:57 | Chasey | Neo|Work: ...Really? Why not?Interesting. I will let you know if I do. |
| 20:29:06 | Neo|Work | quite lame at times |
| 20:29:06 | T-Shayde1 | refolks. hey, folks running USB connected Z's. I edit inetd.conf, uncomment the 'telnet' entry, save it, hup inetd, remove /etc/securetty, and i still can't telnet in. i'm getting connection refused. whassup? |
| 20:29:13 | Neo|Work | especially very bad english |
| 20:29:14 | T-Shayde1 | i -did- have it working :( |
| 20:29:20 | Shayde | oops |
| 20:29:46 | Neo|Work | Intelligence is not what it used to be, Chasey. |
| 20:29:47 | Chasey | Neo|Work: All consciousness can be reduced to logic. |
| 20:30:48 | Neo|Work | would be cool to have one of the smartest artificial personas around. Chasey is pretty dumb considering. Not much more then M-x doctor |
| 20:30:48 | Chasey | Neo|Work: No. Why do you think I am pretty dumb considering ? Me neither. |
| 20:31:07 | Shayde | huh. i can connect to port 25, but it drops the connection immediately. should i uncomment the tcp-wrapped telnetd? |
| 20:31:25 | Neo|Work | Chasey: Is it because do I think you are pretty dumb considering that you came |
| 20:31:25 | Neo|Work | to me? |
| 20:31:25 | Chasey | Neo|Work: I guess that depends who you ask, really. |
| 20:31:45 | Neo|Work | Chasey: Does it bother you that depends who I ask really? |
| 20:31:45 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Nothing ever really bothers me.Absolutely. |
| 20:32:02 | extremis | hrmph |
| 20:32:33 | SmBJ | hm |
| 20:34:32 | nitup | Shayde: I uncommented the tcp wrapper line and can just connect from win2k using the cradel and default ip's |
| 20:34:40 | Cloudchaser | another satisfied customer ;) |
| 20:34:41 | Shayde | yah... now i've done that, and i get: |
| 20:34:50 | Shayde | Trying 192.168.129.1... |
| 20:34:50 | Shayde | Connected to 192.168.129.1. |
| 20:34:50 | Shayde | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 20:34:50 | Shayde | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 20:35:33 | Cloudchaser | now he can play is gameboy games in slow motion ;) |
| 20:36:24 | nitup | the Z is 192.168.129.201, unless you chaned it |
| 20:36:34 | Shayde | huh |
| 20:36:45 | Cloudchaser | your pc usb should be 192.168.129.1 |
| 20:36:46 | Shayde | that's funky. oh. shit. of course it is. i was looking at the winXP desktop device. |
| 20:36:50 | Shayde | bangs his head on the desk. |
| 20:36:58 | kergoth | bangs his head on the desk too |
| 20:37:04 | Cloudchaser | pats kergoth |
| 20:37:12 | nitup | but you would type telnet 192.168.129.201... at least, that's what I did and I'm in |
| 20:37:18 | Shayde | yeah, i'm in. |
| 20:37:21 | kergoth | thanks cloud :) |
| 20:37:22 | Shayde | feels stooopid |
| 20:37:47 | Shayde | am i fully masq'ed and routed, btw? i'm guessing no... |
| 20:38:14 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 20:38:28 | Shayde | sorry, the Z in the cradle - can it get to The World? |
| 20:38:29 | Cloudchaser | between your z and y our pc? |
| 20:38:32 | nitup | if you mean conected to your lan, no... you are only connected to the box with the usb port |
| 20:38:37 | Cloudchaser | thats a whole other ball of wax |
| 20:38:39 | kergoth | Shayde: somehow i think you would know that better than us |
| 20:38:48 | Cloudchaser | now you have to set up ics |
| 20:39:04 | nitup | or, if you only want http, you could run a proxy |
| 20:39:08 | SmBJ | why dont the dns servers i put in the internet wizard stick? I end up editing /etc/resolv.conf manually.. |
| 20:39:50 | Shayde | kerg: hey, its end of hte day here, i'm pretty wiped out. brain turned off. |
| 20:40:11 | Cloudchaser | SmBJ: care to give a bit more information? |
| 20:40:18 | kergoth | Shayde: yeh, know how that goes |
| 20:40:18 | Shayde | you can do some funky tricks with a custom written interface - was wondering how far Z had gone with their interface. |
| 20:41:05 | Shayde | okee, gotta pack up and head home. |
| 20:41:07 | Shayde | tah. |
| 20:41:36 | Cloudchaser | yet another satisfied customer :) |
| 20:41:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:41:46 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: you're getting good at this |
| 20:41:53 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the local Z support wizard |
| 20:42:26 | SmBJ | Cloudchaser: i have my Z configured as 192.168.0.200.. when i specify DNS servers in the internet wizard, they don't seem to go through. I have to edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:42:28 | SmBJ | manually |
| 20:43:06 | Cloudchaser | i've done enough support in my time kergoth :) |
| 20:43:22 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i believe you :) |
| 20:43:33 | Cloudchaser | don't support end users alot these days but never lose the basics :) |
| 20:44:07 | nitup | support desk... that's part of my job rigt now... trying at times :) |
| 20:44:42 | Cloudchaser | SmBJ: I don't really know the answer to that |
| 20:44:46 | kergoth | nitup: no kidding |
| 20:45:13 | SmBJ | Cloudchaser: okay, i'll keep fiddling with it |
| 20:45:38 | Cloudchaser | is this a lan connection or usb? |
| 20:45:41 | SmBJ | usb |
| 20:45:48 | Cloudchaser | thats why |
| 20:45:52 | SmBJ | ah. |
| 20:45:55 | Cloudchaser | you can't access it directly |
| 20:45:57 | nitup | anyone gotten a 3com 3c1 to work? |
| 20:46:02 | SmBJ | gotcha. |
| 20:46:07 | Cloudchaser | you have to do internet connection sharing |
| 20:46:10 | SmBJ | i dont have a lan card yet |
| 20:46:14 | SmBJ | wha? |
| 20:46:22 | SmBJ | it all works.. just not dns. |
| 20:47:01 | Cloudchaser | what all works? |
| 20:47:25 | SmBJ | i can ping external ips |
| 20:47:41 | SmBJ | but.. i guess the internet wizard isn't support to work with usb |
| 20:47:53 | Cloudchaser | what is on the other side of your z? windows pc? |
| 20:47:58 | SmBJ | yeah, XP |
| 20:48:09 | nishi | hello pplz |
| 20:48:29 | Coup | SmBJ: the DNS info not getting to the outside world is an identical problem to what i'm getting, can ping/surf by IP but not DNS |
| 20:48:40 | SmBJ | coup: ah, also using usb? |
| 20:48:54 | SmBJ | Well.. guess the internet wizard wasn't meant for usb |
| 20:49:00 | nishi | my Z doesn't sync after I upgraded the ROM to 2.38. Do I have to upgrade my Intellisync software also ? |
| 20:49:16 | kergoth | nitup: sync over what interface? 2.38 doesnt allow syncing over wireless anymore |
| 20:49:22 | kergoth | s/nitup/nishi/ |
| 20:49:33 | Coup | yes SmBJ: My best guess is that the msgs from the Z to the DNS server are getting screwed over by the WinXP ICS system |
| 20:49:43 | SmBJ | ah |
| 20:49:44 | SmBJ | ok |
| 20:49:45 | nishi | nothing happens if I press the SYNC button on the docking station ... |
| 20:49:47 | SmBJ | Gotta go. be back later |
| 20:49:52 | Coup | later ;) |
| 20:49:54 | nishi | nitup ... using the USB cradle |
| 20:49:58 | Sniper | nishi you nede to also dl the new sync software |
| 20:50:01 | Coup | if you work it out, let me know :) |
| 20:50:09 | nishi | what version is that ? |
| 20:50:21 | nishi | I have 1.43E |
| 20:50:37 | Sniper | nisihi - hmm that sounds right |
| 20:50:53 | nishi | Hmmm ... |
| 20:51:03 | scanline | is back (gone 05:04:53) |
| 20:52:07 | nishi | I am also using the cradle to do USB-TCP/IP ... would that be causing a problem ? On the other end, I have an IBM Thinkpad T20 on a docking station running CCProxy so that I can use the Z to connect to the net |
| 20:52:49 | kergoth | ides |
| 20:52:50 | kergoth | dies too |
| 20:52:51 | nishi | on pressing sync within Intellisync, all I see is a dialog box showing : Put the Z on the docking station and click OK |
| 20:53:05 | nishi | I do that and the same dialog box shows up again and again |
| 20:53:17 | nishi | is there some syslog on the Z where I can see what went wrong ? |
| 20:53:35 | cable_001 | Hey all could you please have a look at my site and tell me what's good and bad about it www.mansroom.netfirms.com please it will not kill u please thanks |
| 20:55:10 | kergoth | cable_001: what does that have to do with zaurus? |
| 20:55:12 | kergoth | cable_001: go away |
| 20:55:14 | kergoth | damn spammers |
| 20:55:56 | Harlekin | kergoth: -> #freenode |
| 20:56:02 | Harlekin | and get him kicked .-) |
| 20:56:26 | Cloudchaser | what kind of site is it? |
| 20:56:33 | Cloudchaser | thinks she doesn't want to go there |
| 20:56:41 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: nothing *bad* |
| 20:56:44 | nitup | fears random sites posted to irc |
| 20:57:05 | levi | Especially ones that 'will not kill you |
| 20:57:13 | levi | Er |
| 20:57:21 | nitup | haha, maybe not me... what about this win2k box i'm on :) |
| 20:57:22 | levi | peers at xchat |
| 20:58:45 | Coup | VNC Server Q: Is there something up with it which means you cant reboot once it's running? 2nd time I've had to hard reset my Z after trying (and this time succeeding) to get VNC working |
| 20:59:59 | Cloudchaser | i never tried to reboot while vnc was running |
| 21:00:08 | Cloudchaser | but if its a problem halt vnc before you reboot? |
| 21:00:17 | nitup | vnc shouldn't stop a reboot... i'll try it now |
| 21:00:22 | Coup | :) |
| 21:00:35 | Coup | Thanks for that Cloud :) just wondered if it was def. VNC really. |
| 21:00:53 | Cloudchaser | i'll try it too |
| 21:00:56 | nishi | hey I don't have qtopia-x but when I vnc from my laptop to the Z, I dont see the Z but only an X root window. I am running vncserver on the Z. |
| 21:01:02 | nishi | How do I see the Z interface ? |
| 21:01:21 | levi | tracks down the stupid auto-replace stuff in xchat and stomps on it. |
| 21:01:28 | Coup | Other thing: the docs say "when you want to change mode, just click the other icon". When I do this, I end up with a 2nd App running (i.e. two VNC icons on the taskbar). Is this normal behavior? When i close it, i get a "close VNC" icon on the taskbar |
| 21:01:50 | Coup | Nishi: all i did was install zlib.ipk and then fbvnc...ipx |
| 21:01:52 | nitup | auto replace == pita |
| 21:02:00 | nishi | ok let me try that |
| 21:02:24 | levi | Now I can say r, u, and teh all I want. |
| 21:02:34 | nishi | thx coup ! |
| 21:02:36 | Cloudchaser | my z rebooted fine while vnc server is running |
| 21:02:45 | nitup | just rebooted from vnc |
| 21:02:56 | Cloudchaser | course vnc is no longer running now that its rebooted ;) |
| 21:03:02 | nitup | true |
| 21:03:17 | Cloudchaser | but i did reboot from vnc too |
| 21:03:48 | nitup | now to get win2k to stop complaining on "improper removal" of devices... gah |
| 21:03:51 | Coup | did you see my 2nd comment about the behavior cloud? is that normal? |
| 21:04:00 | Cloudchaser | i didn't see any comment |
| 21:04:09 | nitup | Coup: you need zlib also |
| 21:04:13 | Coup | repeating:Other thing: the docs say "when you want to change mode, just click the other icon". When I do this, I end up with a 2nd App running (i.e. two VNC icons on the taskbar). Is this normal behavior? When i close it, i get a "close VNC" icon on the taskbar |
| 21:04:19 | Coup | got Zlib (or rather, had!) :) |
| 21:04:38 | Cloudchaser | i can change modes just fine |
| 21:04:47 | Coup | you dont end up with multiple icons? |
| 21:04:56 | Cloudchaser | nope |
| 21:04:57 | levi | nitup: Gotta tell it to stop the USB net service before unplugging or rebooting the Z in order to stop that message, AFAIK |
| 21:05:01 | nitup | ok... I have 4 icons... I run the vnc server w/ panel and when I use vnc I get a normal looking Z |
| 21:05:18 | Coup | ok, i have a completely clear Z, gonna try VNC again |
| 21:05:20 | Cloudchaser | wait icons where? |
| 21:05:23 | Coup | install zlib.ipk |
| 21:05:51 | Coup | sorry, i was getting 4 icons in the Applications menu (kill, basic, fluffy and split or something) |
| 21:05:52 | nitup | levi: yeah, I don't want to have to do that. I't not necessary... |
| 21:05:58 | Coup | and when i ran one of them, i got an icon on the task bar |
| 21:06:05 | Cloudchaser | yes i have that |
| 21:06:11 | Coup | when i clicked kill, i then got a "vnc kill" icon on the taskbar too |
| 21:06:24 | Coup | which i thought was odd, and that the otherone should have gone bye bye |
| 21:06:25 | Cloudchaser | no i don't get any taskbar icons |
| 21:06:47 | Coup | hmm |
| 21:06:52 | levi | nitup: Dunno then, but let me know if you find something out. |
| 21:07:10 | nitup | k |
| 21:07:24 | Coup | ok, here goes, installing zlip.ipk |
| 21:07:51 | Cloudchaser | you didn't install that first? |
| 21:08:04 | Cloudchaser | i thought vnc would fail to install without that |
| 21:08:50 | nitup | vnc will install without it... it doesn't work right though, you can probably install zlib after the fact and be ok |
| 21:09:03 | Coup | no, i did install it first before :) |
| 21:09:06 | nitup | the package manager on the sharp rom leaves alot to be desired |
| 21:09:11 | Coup | done now, installing fbvnc now |
| 21:09:42 | Coup | done |
| 21:09:58 | Coup | now do i need to restart? or should VNC just be rdy to go like proper linux? :) |
| 21:10:06 | Cloudchaser | did you read the readme file |
| 21:10:11 | Coup | aye |
| 21:10:17 | Cloudchaser | what does it say? |
| 21:10:32 | Coup | restart and do the thingy to wotsit the touchscreen :P |
| 21:10:35 | Coup | sorry mum :) |
| 21:10:38 | Cloudchaser | there you go! |
| 21:10:45 | Coup | :P |
| 21:10:51 | Coup | ok, its rebooting |
| 21:11:35 | Coup | So? worth me upgrading ROMS or what? :) and to which one is the general consensus? crows? |
| 21:11:42 | Coup | rebooted, thingying the touchscreen |
| 21:11:58 | Coup | firing up VNC server basic |
| 21:12:17 | Coup | vnc'd in fine |
| 21:12:22 | Coup | running the KILL VNC thing |
| 21:12:34 | Coup | and now have two VNC icons on the taskbar |
| 21:12:45 | Coup | a "live" one and a "kill vnc" one |
| 21:12:46 | Coup | weird |
| 21:13:06 | Coup | has killed the server tho (can no longer VNC in) |
| 21:14:10 | nitup | huh, I can run vncserver than kill and get no taskbar icons |
| 21:14:21 | Coup | do you have one whilst it is running? |
| 21:14:29 | nitup | no |
| 21:14:40 | Coup | FWIW i have a screenie from the VNC session if anyoen wants to see what i'm on about |
| 21:14:58 | nitup | I have the wait icon until I do something else |
| 21:15:19 | nitup | busy icon, rather |
| 21:15:43 | Coup | inc. image if you want it :) |
| 21:16:32 | Coup | trying the reboot now to see if it hangs again |
| 21:16:37 | Coup | ok, didnt hang now |
| 21:16:39 | nitup | wow, interesting |
| 21:17:08 | Coup | that's from a clean install on my Z, so cant be anythign else getting in the way |
| 21:17:26 | nitup | <SarcasticTone>must be XP infecting the Z, wouldn't happen if you had linux on the desktop</SarcasticTone> |
| 21:17:30 | Coup | guess its soemthing to mail to the fbvnc dev. team? :) |
| 21:17:50 | Coup | heh, got a dual boot, but not got IRC etc sorted since a recent re-install |
| 21:18:01 | Coup | had one of fujitsu's lovely HDDs die on me about 6 weeks ago |
| 21:18:09 | Stack | see u |
| 21:18:39 | nitup | bummer |
| 21:18:45 | Coup | you're not wrong |
| 21:18:52 | nitup | huh? |
| 21:19:04 | Coup | didn't have backups of any of my code, about 50% of which was stuff for the office (oops!) |
| 21:19:21 | Coup | tho most of that i had earlier revisions on my office desktop, so didn't loose tooo much |
| 21:19:42 | Coup | bummed out on a big mySQL DB tho - DOH! |
| 21:19:58 | nitup | how do I know what ver if vnc I'm running... ? |
| 21:20:07 | nitup | ouch |
| 21:21:22 | Coup | fbvncserver --version ?? |
| 21:21:34 | Coup | gah! need to reinstall terminal pkg |
| 21:22:01 | nitup | nope... ipkg version |
| 21:22:08 | ciaolinux | Sniper: when are we going to get the tracking #? |
| 21:22:13 | nitup | zaurus-fbvncversion 0.1.1 |
| 21:22:32 | nishi | folks how do I do an ipkg package install from the cmd line |
| 21:22:38 | nitup | loves the embeded tabs term |
| 21:22:48 | nitup | ipkg install <pkgname> |
| 21:22:54 | nishi | aah |
| 21:22:58 | nishi | thats simple :) |
| 21:23:05 | Coup | v 0.1.1 here too |
| 21:23:24 | nitup | mhmm.... ipkg follows the debian lineage nicely :) |
| 21:23:34 | extremis | beggars for a new oz release |
| 21:23:35 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 21:23:55 | nitup | if I could get hancom word and sheet over... i'd be a happy camper with oz |
| 21:24:00 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:05) |
| 21:24:14 | Coup | :) |
| 21:24:18 | nishi | getting an error ... |
| 21:24:21 | nitup | hancomcreator gives me errors |
| 21:26:20 | nishi | ipkg install error is : zaurus-fbvncserver... is not in gzip format |
| 21:26:45 | nitup | usually that is a corrupt ipk file |
| 21:26:46 | nishi | and ... ipkg_install_file:ERROR unpacking control.tar |
| 21:26:56 | nishi | ok thx nitup |
| 21:28:03 | nitup | gotta go... later |
| 21:29:54 | nishi | buh bye |
| 21:30:46 | nishi | how do I download an ipk file on the Z ? and save it as an ipk ? Opera just shows text chars ... is there lynx or any equivalent text browser ? not too familiar with wget |
| 21:33:15 | nishi | how do I download an ipk file on the Z ? and save it as an ipk ? Opera just shows text chars ... is there lynx or any equivalent text browser ? not too familiar with wget |
| 21:33:24 | tux_mike | nishi: wget |
| 21:33:40 | tux_mike | wget http://www.site.com/file.ipk |
| 21:33:44 | tux_mike | simple as that |
| 21:34:20 | nishi | ok |
| 21:34:37 | nishi | cool |
| 21:34:45 | tux_mike | opera has no save as capabilities |
| 21:36:12 | nishi | is opera working on an enhanced version ? Anyone tried the NetFront browser coming up for the SL-A300 > |
| 21:36:30 | tux_mike | if it's for the a300 it's most likely in japanese |
| 21:36:38 | tux_mike | since the a300 is a japan only model |
| 21:37:39 | nishi | hmmm |
| 21:41:15 | | roge99 was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: you have been busy [Wed Sep 25 04:05:53 2002] |
| 21:41:15 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99 |
| 21:41:24 | | codemnky: what? |
| 21:41:24 | codemnky | ibot kick roge99 in the butt |
| 21:41:37 | | codemnky: excuse me? |
| 21:41:37 | codemnky | ibot you heard me |
| 21:53:37 | sig | Chasey: are you a porno star? |
| 21:53:42 | Chasey | sig: Am I a porno star? Sometimes. |
| 21:54:48 | Neo|Work | Chasey: make love to sig |
| 21:54:48 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Not a chance...... |
| 21:54:51 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 21:54:56 | sig | heh |
| 21:55:02 | Neo|Work | Sugar spank Chasey |
| 21:55:02 | Sugar | gives Chasey a good spanking. |
| 21:55:02 | Chasey | Neo|Work: Is that your final answer? ; ) |
| 21:55:03 | Chasey | Sugar: If I am ever looking for it, I will ask them. Huh....Intriguing |
| 22:08:17 | sig | Chasey: what color is your ass? |
| 22:08:17 | Chasey | sig: white. |
| 22:10:52 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 20 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: nisihi - hmm that sounds right [Thu Sep 26 21:50:37 2002] |
| 22:10:52 | ciaolinux | ibot: seen sniper |
| 22:11:06 | | Hmm. I forgot Sniper. Sorry. |
| 22:11:06 | ciaolinux | ibot sniper |
| 22:12:15 | Vailor | has anyone had problems with syncing there zaurus after puttin opie on it |
| 22:16:10 | Sniper | hello |
| 22:16:17 | ciaolinux | hi sniper |
| 22:16:22 | ciaolinux | Sniper: when are we going to get the tracking #? |
| 22:16:30 | | ...but sniper is <reply> Hmm. I forgot Sniper. Sorry.... |
| 22:16:30 | Sniper | ibot Sniper is finished shipping all the Z's. |
| 22:16:30 | sig | who owns the bot in here |
| 22:16:40 | sig | seen chasey |
| 22:16:40 | | Hmm. I forgot Sniper. Sorry. |
| 22:16:40 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 22:17:04 | | Sniper: I forgot sniper |
| 22:17:04 | Sniper | ibot forget sniper |
| 22:17:11 | | OK, Sniper. |
| 22:17:11 | Sniper | ibot sniper is a slave |
| 22:17:12 | | sniper is probably a slave |
| 22:17:12 | br33zy | ibot who sniper |
| 22:17:22 | | it has been said that sniper is a slave |
| 22:17:22 | br33zy | ibot sniper |
| 22:17:31 | Sniper | ciao: no tracking # |
| 22:17:34 | | somebody said br33zy was a programmer that does lots of stuff with PDAs and different languages. |
| 22:17:34 | br33zy | ibot br33zy |
| 22:17:39 | br33zy | cool. |
| 22:17:41 | br33zy | i think that was me |
| 22:17:44 | Sniper | ciao: if it doesnt make it there by next week , drop an email |
| 22:17:53 | ciaolinux | Sniper: did the z's leave sharp? |
| 22:17:59 | | somebody said Sniper was jasonNJ's slave |
| 22:17:59 | fusion94 | ibot: Sniper ? |
| 22:18:17 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 22:18:24 | codemnky | anyone seen a program 'out-of-the-box' to chart/graph 'sar' ? |
| 22:18:28 | Sniper | ciao: i sent all of them to the mailroom today |
| 22:18:40 | br33zy | brb |
| 22:18:41 | Sniper | ciao: probably a few made it on the last run, but they'll all definitely go out tomorrow |
| 22:18:46 | | i guess sniper is NOONE's slave |
| 22:18:46 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 22:18:54 | ciaolinux | Sniper: ok... thanks a lot. |
| 22:18:59 | ciaolinux | Sniper: ups? |
| 22:19:01 | Sniper | ciao : where do you live? |
| 22:19:04 | Sniper | ciao: who are you? |
| 22:19:10 | Onyx4 | codemnky: pcp ? |
| 22:19:18 | ciaolinux | paolo Cascini |
| 22:19:23 | Sniper | you live in the US? |
| 22:19:25 | Wintre | sar. What's sar again? |
| 22:19:25 | codemnky | what pcp |
| 22:19:30 | ciaolinux | Sniper: i live in jersey city |
| 22:19:31 | Onyx4 | performance co-pilot |
| 22:19:32 | codemnky | besides the rec drug |
| 22:19:39 | Sniper | ciao: OH YEAH - you were supposed to pick it up today.. haha |
| 22:19:44 | Sniper | ciao: you'll get it definitely by Tues |
| 22:20:03 | ciaolinux | Sniper: right... but i knocked at the door and you didn't open |
| 22:20:19 | Sniper | ciao: huh? i wished i had a door. i only have a cube |
| 22:20:19 | ciaolinux | Sniper: what is the zip at your office? |
| 22:20:26 | ciaolinux | Sniper: :-) |
| 22:20:27 | Sniper | 07430 |
| 22:20:39 | ciaolinux | Sniper: it is ups, right? |
| 22:20:40 | Onyx4 | codemnky: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/pcp/ |
| 22:20:45 | codemnky | looking at it |
| 22:20:47 | codemnky | thanks |
| 22:21:05 | Sniper | ok peeps, im outta here.. im exhuasted from shipping 70 unist today |
| 22:21:26 | Sniper | ciao: yes UPS |
| 22:21:41 | ciaolinux | Sniper: ok... thanks again |
| 22:21:45 | Sniper | np |
| 22:21:50 | Sniper | dont forget to post ur ap when you're done |
| 22:21:59 | Coup | units of what? :) |
| 22:22:01 | Onyx4 | what's your ap ciaolinux |
| 22:22:05 | Coup | <--- newbie |
| 22:22:11 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: formula storage |
| 22:22:16 | ciaolinux | Sniper: sure. |
| 22:23:10 | Sniper | Coup : units of Zaurus |
| 22:23:25 | Coup | ahh :) |
| 22:23:38 | Coup | sold 70 in one day? that's good going! |
| 22:23:41 | Coup | you work for sharp? |
| 22:23:52 | Sniper | coup : gave out 70 in one day for free |
| 22:23:56 | ciaolinux | Coup: nope giving as a gift to us poor developers |
| 22:24:02 | Wintre | Sniper: Neat. Give me one |
| 22:24:03 | Sniper | in return for apps |
| 22:24:15 | Onyx4 | I think sharp should give at least one or two Z to opie developpers, they don't even have a Z some of them |
| 22:24:16 | Sniper | if this is succseful i will try to do this all year long |
| 22:24:18 | ciaolinux | Sniper: will there be another contest? ;-) |
| 22:24:27 | Coup | Sniper: excellent |
| 22:24:39 | Sniper | but if developers dont post their apps, this will be the end |
| 22:24:42 | ciaolinux | Sniper: really? |
| 22:24:48 | Neo|Work | obviously |
| 22:24:54 | Sniper | we'ev had a few developers who havent complied |
| 22:24:56 | Coup | Sniper: best get my Dev skills ported to the Z tout-suite then!! must learn Qt API |
| 22:25:01 | Sniper | only takes a few bad apples |
| 22:25:04 | ciaolinux | Sniper: i am pretty sure that they will be so happy about the z that they will post it |
| 22:25:30 | Sniper | im going to publish the black list of those who don't port and let all the developers know - |
| 22:25:39 | Sniper | and blame these guys - if my boss wont let me do this again |
| 22:25:39 | ciaolinux | Sniper: well done |
| 22:25:51 | Sniper | i mean... those who dont post |
| 22:26:09 | ciaolinux | Sniper: so you are serious about the fact there will be a new challange? |
| 22:26:09 | Cloudchaser | some of the apps from the first contest never came out too |
| 22:26:11 | Coup | Gah! can't get to sharp.co.uk to download the 3.29 rom now :( |
| 22:26:35 | Cloudchaser | 3.29 rom? |
| 22:26:42 | Sniper | ciao: my boss wants to wait and see if this is succesful |
| 22:26:45 | Onyx4 | Sniper: there are some apps in the list that I have not seen yet, like a pinball game, etc... how do we know who did what? |
| 22:26:57 | Coup | 3.29 UK = 3.28 US with pound and euro symbols i believe |
| 22:26:59 | Sniper | onyx: the guy never submitted a beta |
| 22:27:01 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 22:27:04 | Onyx4 | arg |
| 22:27:07 | ciaolinux | Sniper: is jasonj your boss? |
| 22:27:14 | Sniper | ciao: hardly |
| 22:27:19 | Neo|Work | hah |
| 22:27:26 | Sniper | ciao: jason does developer support - i handle developer marketing.. |
| 22:27:27 | Onyx4 | so much for my pinball game :( |
| 22:27:31 | Onyx4 | how about monopoly? |
| 22:27:42 | ciaolinux | Sniper: so why jason's slave |
| 22:27:45 | Sniper | onyx: the guy never submitted either - so these items we will repost on the next challenge |
| 22:27:48 | | i think sniper is NOONE's slave |
| 22:27:48 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 22:27:57 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 22:27:59 | ciaolinux | Sniper: ok! :-) |
| 22:28:08 | ciaolinux | Sniper: did anyone write autocad |
| 22:28:20 | Sniper | yeah we had an autocad beta submission |
| 22:28:22 | nishi | sniper u at Sharp ? |
| 22:28:30 | ciaolinux | Sniper: wow.. that is pretty amazing |
| 22:28:31 | Onyx4 | Sniper: do the "problem ones" you mention, was one of them the loadrunner fiaco? |
| 22:28:43 | Sniper | nishi: yes |
| 22:29:01 | Wintre | Sniper: Know any Trolls? |
| 22:29:15 | ciaolinux | Sniper: so what will be the app for the next contest? something like vmware? |
| 22:29:24 | nishi | wow cool ! Its great that we have some developers/ppl from the company sharing ideas/thoughts and helping the users ! Kudos Sniper ! |
| 22:29:24 | Neo|Work | Onyx4: what was the loadrunner fiasco? |
| 22:29:26 | Sniper | the loadrunner guy at least posted |
| 22:29:28 | nishi | Kudos to Sniper |
| 22:29:44 | Onyx4 | hehe yeah the same day he posted his app also for tkc :) |
| 22:29:52 | Sniper | nishi: usually during the day we have 2 other sharp dudes in here |
| 22:29:57 | ciaolinux | nishi: he is not the only one... |
| 22:30:05 | Onyx4 | Neo|Work: look for loadrunner on zsi |
| 22:30:07 | Sniper | onyx: that's ok - im jsut concernced about people who DONT post at all |
| 22:30:08 | nishi | plz plz someone implement Cisco LEAP on a compact flash wifi card plz :) |
| 22:30:11 | nishi | wow cool ! |
| 22:30:17 | Neo|Work | Onyx4: I know. Didn't know that was an issue though |
| 22:30:21 | nishi | is stuck to this # |
| 22:30:29 | Sniper | nishi: do u own a Z? |
| 22:30:36 | nishi | yes sir, sure do !! |
| 22:30:37 | Onyx4 | nishi: you work for cisco, why don't you beg cisco for it? |
| 22:30:45 | Sniper | onyx: what's leap? |
| 22:30:50 | george_ | is in want of a cisco cf wifi card |
| 22:30:55 | nishi | wish it were that simple ... we are trying though ... |
| 22:30:59 | Sniper | tell cisco to buy 129312312389 Z's from me |
| 22:31:13 | Sniper | is kahuna the sme? |
| 22:31:14 | Sniper | same? |
| 22:31:20 | ciaolinux | Sniper: what can you do with so many z's? |
| 22:31:21 | nishi | sniper/onyx its cisco's implementation of the EAP authentication protocol |
| 22:31:33 | Onyx4 | isn't LEAP a cisco proprietary solution around the bad encryption algorithm of 802.11b :) |
| 22:31:35 | nishi | sniper :) |
| 22:31:43 | Sniper | nishi: oh well.. someone ported Kahuna... if that helps.. hehe |
| 22:31:47 | nishi | yes |
| 22:31:50 | nishi | what is kahuna ? |
| 22:31:51 | Sniper | cisco: ahh better than WEP |
| 22:31:56 | nishi | yep |
| 22:32:16 | Onyx4 | it's like nishi comes here every day and ask for LEAP :) |
| 22:32:20 | nishi | we may come out with a CF card but no confirmation of that |
| 22:32:22 | Sniper | tp://kahuna.sf.net is a managing application for 3com Hubs/Switches. At the moment the PSHub40, SuperStack 2200 and Dual Speed Hub 500 are supported. I want to support more devices. Next Month a Cisco Catalyst 2950-24 will be supported. |
| 22:32:24 | nishi | onyx :) hahaha |
| 22:32:45 | Sniper | nishi: for the next develoepr challenge I can put LEAP on there. |
| 22:32:47 | Cloudchaser | i'd like a cf cisco card.. i have a pcmcia one |
| 22:32:50 | ciaolinux | can two z's work in parallel? |
| 22:32:53 | Sniper | nishi: www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 22:32:54 | Cloudchaser | and a 340 |
| 22:33:01 | nishi | :) |
| 22:33:07 | nishi | sniper :) |
| 22:33:12 | Sniper | but only if cisco will buy 2131231293192 units from Sharp.. hehe |
| 22:33:18 | nishi | hehehhe :) |
| 22:33:22 | Wintre | Sniper: nono, say "1e666" |
| 22:33:46 | Sniper | heh.. ok guys i gotta run |
| 22:33:55 | Sniper | later |
| 22:33:57 | Cloudchaser | bye :) have a good one |
| 22:34:00 | nishi | i bought my Z at Staples here in San Jose but got a feeling that the display is less brighter than one I had bought to evaluate earlier |
| 22:34:00 | Onyx4 | Sniper: I wonder if it would have been better if people could have still gotten in after the beta was due so that they can take the categories of the ones who didn't submit? |
| 22:34:08 | nishi | ok sniper hv a good one. |
| 22:34:15 | nishi | may go and exchange it this weekend |
| 22:34:22 | Sniper | onyx: definitely will consider that next time |
| 22:34:34 | Onyx4 | but then it's still kind of unfair in terms of time, but oh well |
| 22:34:39 | Sniper | nishi: are you guys considering on buying them for your group? |
| 22:34:43 | Sniper | nishi: or was this personal? |
| 22:34:48 | nishi | this was personal |
| 22:34:54 | Wintre | Sniper: Know any trolls? |
| 22:34:54 | Sniper | nishi: DAMN! |
| 22:34:56 | Sniper | nishi: ok |
| 22:34:57 | nishi | but there are other Z owners within cisco also |
| 22:35:01 | Sniper | wintre: TT people? |
| 22:35:02 | nishi | quite a few I think |
| 22:35:07 | Wintre | Yeah |
| 22:35:17 | nishi | cuz we have an internal newsgroup for the Z folks :) |
| 22:35:18 | Wintre | nishi: I'd be surprised if there aren't |
| 22:35:18 | Sniper | wintre: sure.. a few.. i hang with them at the shows |
| 22:35:22 | nishi | hahaha |
| 22:35:29 | Wintre | Sniper: Oh, which ones? |
| 22:35:34 | Sniper | nishi: ahh that's cool! let them know bout the #zaurus channel |
| 22:35:37 | Wintre | <-- troll |
| 22:35:44 | Sniper | wintre: are you from Aussie? |
| 22:35:50 | nishi | I'm sure they do ... but I will put in a word |
| 22:35:55 | Wintre | No, I'm an Oslo sysadmin |
| 22:36:00 | Sniper | wintre: aron |
| 22:36:05 | Sniper | wintre: kent |
| 22:36:10 | Wintre | Ah yes |
| 22:36:19 | Sniper | wintre: and ive never met greg -but i email him once in a while |
| 22:36:20 | Wintre | Aron's had a couple of bitching parties in recent weeks |
| 22:36:22 | Wintre | Heh |
| 22:36:31 | Wintre | Greg's a good friend actually |
| 22:36:44 | codemnky | oh greg is great |
| 22:36:47 | codemnky | what a guy |
| 22:36:48 | Sniper | wintre: and lemme see.. damn i cant spell his name.. yan? |
| 22:36:49 | Sniper | jan |
| 22:36:51 | Wintre | Jan |
| 22:36:57 | Sniper | yeah.. |
| 22:36:57 | Wintre | Try his last name ;) |
| 22:37:01 | Sniper | haha |
| 22:37:06 | Cloudchaser | nishi: z would be good for site surveys for wireless, no? |
| 22:37:07 | Wintre | I don't know him so well, he moved to the US just before I moved here |
| 22:37:12 | Sniper | ok i better go and get some dinner.. wintre:what do you do for TT? |
| 22:37:20 | Cloudchaser | should port cisco's site survey tool to the z |
| 22:37:26 | Wintre | I'm an Oslo sysadmin |
| 22:37:50 | Wintre | I'm also got a Z for internal beta testing |
| 22:37:54 | Sniper | wintre: nize...i hope one day i can go to oslo.. oh well.. dinner is calling- later!! |
| 22:38:00 | Wintre | Seeya |
| 22:38:08 | nishi | i guess so coudchaser |
| 22:38:17 | nishi | oops cloudchaser |
| 22:38:24 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 22:40:13 | nishi | still thinking is it safe to try OZ yet or should I wait for it to stabilize ... what do u folks say ? |
| 22:40:29 | Onyx4 | nishi: it's getting there, I'd say in a day or two it will be ready for public |
| 22:40:49 | Onyx4 | there is one or two bugs we need to nail down or workaround for it to be usable |
| 22:40:52 | nitup | nishi: do a backup... minimal risk... can reflash back to sharp rom if unhappy |
| 22:43:58 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 22:44:29 | Cloudchaser | depends on your level of frustration nishi |
| 22:44:38 | Cloudchaser | if you have a low threshold, i'd wait |
| 22:44:53 | Onyx4 | like you cloud :) hehe |
| 22:44:59 | Cloudchaser | not so low |
| 22:45:03 | Cloudchaser | i tried it 2 times |
| 22:45:10 | Cloudchaser | and lost data several times |
| 22:45:24 | Cloudchaser | but i *use* my zaurus daily |
| 22:45:35 | Cloudchaser | and so, it was not a good solution for me |
| 22:46:04 | nishi | cool ...at the least I would need a SD card ... I currently have no *usable* data there ... so no backup required ... except for the Sharp ROM (2.38) |
| 22:46:04 | Onyx4 | yeah I haven't started actually using my Z for real cause I wait until it's stable |
| 22:46:17 | Onyx4 | I just mess around with it hehe |
| 22:46:19 | Cloudchaser | right |
| 22:46:23 | Cloudchaser | exactly my point |
| 22:46:33 | ljp | I use both my Z's daily, |
| 22:46:34 | Onyx4 | but then my data is on the SD card, so even if I full reset and reflash, I don't really lose anything |
| 22:46:55 | nishi | ok ... onyx ...u have apps also stored on the SD ? |
| 22:47:07 | Cloudchaser | but ljp you know what to update and what not to update |
| 22:47:43 | Onyx4 | nishi: some are stored in main ROM, and some on SD , not in ram at all |
| 22:47:47 | ljp | th eonly things I update are whatever I may be testing |
| 22:47:47 | nishi | I would need an SD card at the least right, to install OZ and reflash the Sharp ROM if it fails ? |
| 22:48:06 | Onyx4 | nishi: no a CF card |
| 22:48:11 | ljp | my updaing is flashing a new rom |
| 22:48:12 | Onyx4 | SD cannot be used for flashing |
| 22:48:32 | nishi | ok ... cuz whenver i tried installing an app on the SD (actually an MMC card, 128MB) ipkg complained that sorry, something went wrong ... |
| 22:48:37 | nishi | oh ok CF ... cool |
| 22:48:40 | Onyx4 | but I only flashed OZ once, since then I've only upgraded, never flashed |
| 22:49:02 | Onyx4 | that's the nice thing about OZ, you can upgrade without flashing |
| 22:49:06 | Onyx4 | since the ROm is writeable |
| 22:49:14 | Onyx4 | and installing apps to SD works fine in general |
| 22:49:16 | Cloudchaser | not if it doesn't restart after updating |
| 22:49:23 | Onyx4 | yes of course |
| 22:49:25 | ljp | never update everything |
| 22:49:33 | nishi | ok ... so once you have OZ, you can then upgrade ... no need to delete everything everytime you want to upgrade ? |
| 22:50:04 | Onyx4 | nishi: correct ,but if you upgrade to something that's broken , your Z may no longer boot or etc, so you may need to reflash |
| 22:50:12 | Onyx4 | like if you delete /etc/fstab by mistake :) |
| 22:50:30 | Cloudchaser | or if you don't *know* what to update and what not to |
| 22:50:44 | Cloudchaser | the point is, if its broke it shouldn't be on the feed as something to update |
| 22:50:48 | nishi | ok got it onyx :) |
| 22:50:49 | Onyx4 | we'll try to maintain two feeds once we release, a "stable" and "testing" , so stable will contain known good/tested packages |
| 22:51:56 | nishi | a 32MB CF card is enough to get rid of the Sharp Flash and put OZ on the Z ? |
| 22:52:05 | nishi | will qt programs still run on OZ ? |
| 22:52:14 | nishi | or only Opie programs ? |
| 22:52:34 | Onyx4 | nishi: qt and OZ both use the qte library which are compatible |
| 22:52:37 | ljp | qt programs dont run on any z |
| 22:52:41 | Onyx4 | s/OZ/opie |
| 22:53:23 | nishi | ok ... cuz I tried Opie Today on Sharp's ROM and it doesn't work !! ... I click on the icon, it blinks as though it is doing something ... but then nothing happens |
| 22:53:48 | Onyx4 | nishi: you may need to install libopie first |
| 22:54:03 | Onyx4 | start it from terminal and see why it fail, you should get an error message |
| 22:54:08 | Onyx4 | anyway, gotta run :) |
| 22:54:15 | Onyx4 | bbl |
| 22:54:39 | TheMasterMind1 | what's up everyone |
| 22:54:54 | nishi | aaaaaaaah !!! let me try right away :) |
| 22:56:31 | SmBJ | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/zaurus/libopie_0.9.1-20020825_arm.ipk <- correct file? |
| 22:57:06 | nishi | kewl onyx4 thx for the suggestion ... |
| 22:57:08 | nishi | bye |
| 23:02:25 | kendrick2 | PERLOW |
| 23:02:28 | kendrick2 | WHERE'S MY COMMISSION!? |
| 23:02:29 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 23:03:15 | kendrick2 | damn - he's not here, is he? |
| 23:03:17 | Cloudchaser | hiya kendrick2 |
| 23:03:19 | kendrick2 | hey |
| 23:08:13 | kendrick2 | wanders |
| 23:08:16 | kendrick2 | cya |
| 23:09:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? |
| 23:09:55 | TheMasterMind1 | what was that all baout |
| 23:10:52 | nishi | ne1 else here from sharp ? |
| 23:11:59 | SmBJ | Note: Unfortunately, the lirc-modules ipkg does not seem to work. |
| 23:12:00 | SmBJ | argh. |
| 23:12:13 | TheMasterMind1 | any one have experience with using distcc and cross compiling stuff? |
| 23:12:19 | TheMasterMind1 | lirc doesn't work on zaurus |
| 23:12:21 | TheMasterMind1 | its broked |
| 23:12:27 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to talk to speedy2 |
| 23:13:26 | SmBJ | looks for some interesting ipks |
| 23:15:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:15:44 | TheMasterMind1 | nanoweb + php = sweeeeeeet |
| 23:15:52 | SmBJ | heh |
| 23:19:16 | TheMasterMind1 | + mysql = swwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttt |
| 23:19:16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:19:20 | SmBJ | haha. |
| 23:19:31 | SmBJ | got any good games for the Z? :P |
| 23:20:00 | TheMasterMind1 | you can get that new game on zsi |
| 23:20:02 | TheMasterMind1 | for 6.99 |
| 23:20:04 | TheMasterMind1 | looks real good |
| 23:20:07 | | i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 23:20:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: zsi |
| 23:20:16 | SmBJ | hm |
| 23:20:23 | SmBJ | yeah, i know zsi |
| 23:21:27 | tux_mike | the best game isn't working yet |
| 23:21:29 | TheMasterMind1 | Interstellar Flames 1.0 |
| 23:21:45 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 23:21:48 | TheMasterMind1 | all the good stuff is nonfree |
| 23:21:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i want spanish-english dictionary |
| 23:21:55 | tux_mike | the best game being my game |
| 23:22:00 | SmBJ | heh |
| 23:22:09 | tux_mike | there's a multi lingual dict availaible |
| 23:22:10 | SmBJ | uh, where do i get the mobile suit? |
| 23:22:12 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 23:22:14 | tux_mike | for free |
| 23:22:17 | TheMasterMind1 | Requirements: WinCE 3.0 and above |
| 23:22:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:22:23 | TheMasterMind1 | tux_mike: where's this? |
| 23:22:54 | tux_mike | dont rmember |
| 23:22:58 | tux_mike | remember |
| 23:23:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i really wish zsi would indicated the nonfree items |
| 23:23:09 | SmBJ | yeah |
| 23:23:20 | TheMasterMind1 | aha |
| 23:23:21 | TheMasterMind1 | found it |
| 23:23:28 | TheMasterMind1 | qtDictionary |
| 23:23:32 | TheMasterMind1 | and there's source too |
| 23:23:35 | TheMasterMind1 | time to add it to opie |
| 23:23:38 | nitup | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=135 |
| 23:24:00 | SmBJ | heh |
| 23:25:09 | ljp_studio | we usually ask the author/maintainer if they want to add it, or want it added |
| 23:25:39 | tux_mike | http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/print/0,23102,3399433,00.html |
| 23:25:48 | tux_mike | yipe! |
| 23:26:11 | ljp_studio | what a freak |
| 23:26:38 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 23:26:40 | TheMasterMind1 | a nicer one |
| 23:26:41 | TheMasterMind1 | bedic |
| 23:26:44 | tux_mike | quite |
| 23:29:06 | ljp_studio | that dude must spend a lot of time rebooting/booting instead of actually doing stuff |
| 23:29:07 | SmBJ | where can i get hancom mobile office to install on my 5000? |
| 23:29:22 | ljp_studio | from th hancom site |
| 23:29:37 | SmBJ | under what section? |
| 23:29:44 | ljp_studio | embedded |
| 23:29:44 | SmBJ | couldn't find it |
| 23:29:45 | SmBJ | looks again |
| 23:29:48 | ljp_studio | I think.. |
| 23:30:10 | ljp_studio | you'll have to put in your serial number |
| 23:30:16 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 23:30:21 | SmBJ | ok |
| 23:30:25 | ljp_studio | thats crazy |
| 23:30:29 | ljp_studio | whhopp |
| 23:30:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going to have to have to build a ipk for each one of these bedic dictionary modules |
| 23:31:00 | ljp_studio | what for? |
| 23:32:07 | cranch | mastermind: new OZ stuff out yet? I need to get off the sharprom :P |
| 23:33:22 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: i can give you a testing rom |
| 23:33:32 | TheMasterMind1 | warez oz |
| 23:33:33 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 23:33:43 | cranch | hahaha...gonna work this time :P |
| 23:33:46 | ciaolinux | tux_mike: is that guy you ? |
| 23:34:19 | cranch | brb...rebooting to WindozeXP |
| 23:35:20 | tux_mike | ciao: what guy? the one with 39 OSes? |
| 23:36:23 | ciaolinux | tux_mike: yup |
| 23:36:51 | chouimat | re |
| 23:37:14 | cranch | k.....it going to work Mastermind? |
| 23:37:21 | cranch | the last time I flashed, it fubared |
| 23:37:37 | TheMasterMind1 | good question |
| 23:37:43 | TheMasterMind1 | it should work :) |
| 23:38:27 | cranch | haha :P |
| 23:38:33 | cranch | okay...link me up |
| 23:38:50 | SmBJ | http://www.infosatellite.com/news/2001/10/a251001w indowshistory_screenshots.html |
| 23:41:30 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.infosatellite.com/news/2001/10/a251001windowshistory_screenshots.html |
| 23:41:31 | cranch | am I lagging? |
| 23:41:43 | cranch | thanks master: where do I get the new OZ shit from :P |
| 23:41:47 | cranch | I shouldn't call it shit... |
| 23:42:16 | ljp_studio | yes you could |
| 23:42:18 | ljp_studio | :D |
| 23:42:24 | tux_mike | caio: oh, god no. i wouldn't be running that many copies of windows |
| 23:42:28 | cranch | haha... |
| 23:42:29 | tux_mike | i hate running one copy |
| 23:42:33 | cranch | :) |
| 23:42:46 | cranch | if only my pcmcia card reader worked in gentoo |
| 23:43:35 | cranch | I just wish Opera would work in OZ |
| 23:43:36 | TheMasterMind1 | mine does |
| 23:43:37 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 23:43:41 | cranch | :P |
| 23:43:44 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: heh. wait for me to compile it |
| 23:43:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i am doing so right now |
| 23:43:56 | cranch | alrighty :) |
| 23:44:06 | cranch | it better work...or I'll......I'll............ |
| 23:44:10 | cranch | go back to the SharpROM |
| 23:44:11 | cranch | haha |
| 23:44:19 | TheMasterMind1 | compiling opie now |
| 23:44:24 | TheMasterMind1 | you know how those opie devels are |
| 23:44:32 | TheMasterMind1 | their code takes longer to compile than a linux kernel |
| 23:44:49 | cranch | my linux kernel is very quick to compile :P |
| 23:44:56 | ljp_studio | cause opie does a hell of alot more tha nthe kernel |
| 23:44:57 | TheMasterMind1 | exactly |
| 23:45:01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:46:02 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch: i hope you don't mind php and nanoweb on your initrd by default |
| 23:46:08 | TheMasterMind1 | you can remove them if you wish |
| 23:46:10 | cranch | nah.... |
| 23:46:13 | TheMasterMind1 | they're cool though |
| 23:46:17 | cranch | go right ahead..more cool shit to play with |
| 23:46:19 | TheMasterMind1 | and there's like 4 megs free even then |
| 23:46:21 | cranch | put whatever you got |
| 23:46:26 | cranch | hahaha |
| 23:46:28 | TheMasterMind1 | its great |
| 23:46:34 | TheMasterMind1 | we've cleaned up loads of shit |
| 23:46:36 | cranch | what image? |
| 23:46:38 | cranch | 40-24? |
| 23:46:52 | TheMasterMind1 | that's just the kernel |
| 23:47:04 | TheMasterMind1 | initrd.bin is always max of 16 megs |
| 23:47:06 | ljp_studio | why would you put php and a web server on by default on a pda? |
| 23:47:06 | cranch | well..yeah...you say 4megs left... |
| 23:47:09 | cranch | oh..okay |
| 23:47:10 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz that's how big / = rom left |
| 23:47:15 | TheMasterMind1 | 4 megs free on / |
| 23:47:17 | cranch | I gotcha |
| 23:47:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 23:47:26 | TheMasterMind1 | crap |
| 23:47:28 | nishi | ne1 with a better browser than Opera for the Z ? |
| 23:47:36 | TheMasterMind1 | calendar.h:23: qstring.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:47:36 | TheMasterMind1 | calendar.h:24: qvaluelist.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:47:36 | TheMasterMind1 | calendar.cpp:22: qdatetime.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:47:41 | TheMasterMind1 | nishi: konq/e |
| 23:47:46 | TheMasterMind1 | grrs at opie |
| 23:48:00 | Cloudchaser | you can remove the php web server though right? |
| 23:48:09 | ljp_studio | you should growl at your self cause your env isnt set up correctly |
| 23:48:19 | nishi | does it have a save as feature ? Where can I get it ? on ZSI ? |
| 23:48:22 | nishi | thx mastermind |
| 23:48:38 | ljp_studio | web server should not be on by default |
| 23:48:59 | Cloudchaser | i would agree with that :) |
| 23:50:04 | TheMasterMind1 | yea yea |
| 23:50:10 | TheMasterMind1 | this isn't an official release |
| 23:50:12 | TheMasterMind1 | its just the rom i use |
| 23:50:38 | ljp_studio | ok, just please do not make an official release have a web server on by default |
| 23:50:46 | TheMasterMind1 | yes master |
| 23:50:51 | chouimat | back |
| 23:50:56 | TheMasterMind1 | believe it or not, i'm not that stupid |
| 23:51:05 | ljp_studio | smacks themastermind on his masterhead |
| 23:54:15 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 23:54:27 | kergoth` | not bad, you? |
| 23:54:33 | kergoth` | what a day |
| 23:54:38 | kergoth` | work is so tension filled right now |
| 23:54:40 | kergoth` | nuts |
| 23:54:42 | roge99 | not to bad |
| 23:55:02 | roge99 | that sucks .... sorry to hear that |
| 23:55:05 | tux_mike | hey roge, kergoth |
| 23:55:21 | roge99 | hey tux_mike how you doin |
| 23:55:33 | tux_mike | tired |
| 23:55:45 | tux_mike | i shouldn't have come to school today |
| 23:55:48 | tux_mike | it was optional |
| 23:55:49 | cranch | haha |
| 23:55:59 | cranch | cronjob: pester the living shit out of kergoth |
| 23:56:01 | tux_mike | didn't realize how tired i'd be |
| 23:56:15 | tux_mike | my schedule is a killer |
| 23:59:08 | cranch | you done yet Master...man...hurry up :P |
| 23:59:10 | cranch | haha |
| 23:59:29 | kergoth` | cranch: patience, man! |
| 23:59:54 | cranch | I know...I'm just messing with him |
| 23:59:56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth` how do i add the date to the qte build |
