| 00:02:35 | cranch | Mastermind: any luck with the initrd.bin? |
| 00:04:17 | tboc | hobbs: sponsored link ;P |
| 00:05:35 | hobbs | in other news, good to see that G. W. Shrub is fixing up the economy over here. |
| 00:06:12 | ljp_s | ha you so funny |
| 00:07:20 | hobbs | sad how JDSU has taken such a hit, actually. |
| 00:07:25 | mantus | is gnuchess a console app? |
| 00:07:45 | hobbs | mantus: it can be. Or you can hook it up to xboard. |
| 00:07:59 | mantus | does xboard run on opie? |
| 00:08:14 | ljp_s | hiya cloudy |
| 00:08:15 | hobbs | it might if you have X. >:) |
| 00:08:47 | mantus | black magic |
| 00:09:29 | Cloudchaser | hiya ljp |
| 00:09:41 | hobbs | xboard is Xaw, and eboard is GTK, so it doesn't look like there's anything that would be easily-ported. |
| 00:11:11 | cranch | keroght: any new beta initrd? |
| 00:11:34 | hobbs | y'know, everyone should click on that link from google. I'm sure that MSFT keeps track of the HTTP Referer. :) |
| 00:23:06 | mantus | is gtk 2 compat with 1.2? |
| 00:23:27 | hobbs | no. |
| 00:25:12 | jmhodges | is away: im away see? |
| 00:26:58 | Fatbum | any1 got tha sharp rom with x11? |
| 00:28:07 | Guest | hey,sending this from my zaurus |
| 00:28:41 | ljp_s | wow.. yer leet! |
| 00:28:56 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 00:29:01 | ljp_s | is it hard to type? |
| 00:29:13 | Guest | nope |
| 00:29:27 | ljp_s | how about if someone spams it? |
| 00:29:35 | | hmmm... scanline is at mailto:micah@navi.picogui.org or the original author of PicoGUI or mailto:micahjd@users.sourceforge.net |
| 00:29:35 | br33zy | ibot who scanline |
| 00:29:37 | ljp_s | err floods |
| 00:29:40 | hobbs | Guest: then you've got something better than the usb cradle. >:) |
| 00:29:45 | scanline | br33zy: hm? |
| 00:29:46 | br33zy | hmm... really? |
| 00:29:48 | Guest | yep |
| 00:29:51 | br33zy | interesting.. |
| 00:29:57 | Guest | dlink |
| 00:30:11 | Fatbum | yay |
| 00:30:13 | Fatbum | go dlink |
| 00:30:22 | Fatbum | any1? sharp rom with x11? |
| 00:30:27 | kryhme | i lost my motherfucking stylus |
| 00:30:28 | Guest | thirty nine bucks |
| 00:30:46 | mantus | fat: what are you talking about |
| 00:30:48 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:31:12 | Fatbum | kryhme some dumb ho at my skool lost mine |
| 00:31:18 | Fatbum | i crafted one from a visor stylus |
| 00:31:26 | Fatbum | mantus x11 on the z |
| 00:31:29 | Fatbum | with the sharp rom |
| 00:32:22 | Guest | hi |
| 00:34:05 | jmhodges | is back (gone 00:08:52) |
| 00:38:08 | kryhme | anyone have an opera package they can lend me ---- i know it's not technically right, i just don't want to have to reflash and package it myself, and then flash again..... someone have a heart |
| 00:38:29 | [DrEvil] | you are SOL |
| 00:38:37 | kryhme | hows that? |
| 00:38:37 | Fatbum | i got banned for that sort of talk |
| 00:38:41 | kryhme | lol |
| 00:38:46 | kryhme | man |
| 00:38:58 | kryhme | i don't see that it's really that wrong |
| 00:39:06 | kryhme | since i "did" pay for the product |
| 00:39:17 | Fatbum | " " did " " ? |
| 00:39:22 | kryhme | and anyone can download the rom and rip it out themselves |
| 00:39:31 | kryhme | i don't know why i used quotes |
| 00:39:36 | kryhme | emphasis maybe |
| 00:39:50 | Fatbum | DID |
| 00:39:53 | Fatbum | pay for it |
| 00:40:00 | ljp_s | if you own a zaurus you may download the rom, yes |
| 00:40:07 | hobbs | _underline_ |
| 00:40:10 | tux_mike | crap on a stick |
| 00:40:15 | tux_mike | crap crap crap. |
| 00:40:37 | hobbs | ./dcc send tux_mike soap_on_a_rope |
| 00:40:43 | tux_mike | um, no |
| 00:40:54 | kryhme | ./dcc send kryhme opera.ipk |
| 00:41:18 | mantus | there is a util to expand the sharp rom ... just copy the files from there |
| 00:41:38 | tux_mike | fuggin glibc isn't recognizing pentium4 as an architecutre, passing -march=pentium4 /and/ having rpm build it as pentium4 architecture is gonna be tricky |
| 00:52:59 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 00:53:04 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 1 hours, 20 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: sandman: impressive [Tue Sep 24 00:32:57 2002] |
| 00:53:04 | cranch | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 00:53:16 | | rumour has it openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net. Also ask me about oz3 feed, oz faq, and oz bk |
| 00:53:16 | cranch | ibot: openzaurus |
| 00:54:05 | Fatbum | what kind of update to opie is there? |
| 00:54:35 | ljp_s | bigo |
| 01:04:16 | | i heard oz update was http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 01:04:16 | Onyx4 | ibot: oz update |
| 01:14:11 | ljp_s | wake up!! |
| 01:14:19 | kergoth | ljp_s: no |
| 01:14:23 | ljp_s | heh |
| 01:14:27 | ljp_s | too quiet |
| 01:14:47 | tux_mike | kergoth: are the rumors about the OZ feed being borked true? |
| 01:15:16 | ljp_s | greatly exagerated |
| 01:15:48 | ljp_s | its just indergoing a transformation |
| 01:16:04 | hobbs | "rumors of my borkedness have been greatly exaggerated" |
| 01:16:19 | tux_mike | so, if i reflash my Z again, and take the packages off the feed, i'll be all good? |
| 01:20:52 | Fatbum | i had trouble getting oz to talk to my proxy |
| 01:21:45 | ljp_s | maybe you need a zaurus<=> proxy dictionary |
| 01:21:59 | Fatbum | ?? |
| 01:22:02 | Fatbum | is lots |
| 01:22:05 | Fatbum | lost |
| 01:22:13 | ljp_s | hahaha |
| 01:22:26 | ljp_s | nm bad pun/joke |
| 01:24:59 | tux_mike | simple one line geek test: "I saw a VW Beetle that had a license plate that said 'FEATURE' on it" |
| 01:25:38 | tux_mike | if you find that funny you are a geek |
| 01:26:08 | Fatbum | i dont get it at all |
| 01:26:12 | Fatbum | whew |
| 01:26:27 | tux_mike | someone needs to be banished. this is a geek only channel :) |
| 01:26:33 | Fatbum | noooo not again |
| 01:26:36 | Fatbum | i am a geek |
| 01:26:38 | Fatbum | just lost |
| 01:26:40 | tux_mike | lol :) |
| 01:26:41 | Fatbum | very lost |
| 01:27:30 | hobbs | did I miss some good bad humor? |
| 01:27:42 | tux_mike | simple one line geek test: "I saw a VW Beetle that had a license plate that said 'FEATURE' on it" |
| 01:28:13 | Fatbum | like? plates only have 6 chars? |
| 01:28:16 | hobbs | *grin* |
| 01:28:23 | ljp_s | yayaya we heard you the first time.. thats a groaner |
| 01:28:29 | Fatbum | oh god |
| 01:28:32 | Fatbum | i am lost |
| 01:28:42 | hobbs | It's a BEETLE! |
| 01:28:46 | ljp_s | 'thats not a bug.. thats a feature' |
| 01:29:00 | ljp_s | get it? |
| 01:29:04 | Fatbum | haha |
| 01:29:09 | tux_mike | fatbum: here the plates can be up to 9. but, yah, it's not a bug, it's a feature :) |
| 01:29:09 | hobbs | okay. now it's more funny. |
| 01:29:11 | Fatbum | i dig now |
| 01:29:13 | W|GGL|T | depends on which state you are in |
| 01:29:14 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:29:23 | W|GGL|T | i had 7 |
| 01:29:30 | Fatbum | i thought so W|GGL|T, but didnt know for sure |
| 01:29:34 | W|GGL|T | i think NC takes 8 |
| 01:29:35 | Fatbum | good ol tx loves the 6 chars |
| 01:29:38 | Fatbum | as far as i know |
| 01:29:40 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:29:41 | hobbs | 8 here I think. |
| 01:29:42 | Fatbum | i dont even know |
| 01:29:51 | W|GGL|T | i had WIGGLIT on my stang plates |
| 01:29:59 | Fatbum | no way? |
| 01:30:05 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:30:05 | tux_mike | i wish i could do my other geek test |
| 01:30:10 | hobbs | "fix multicharacter character" --gaim patch tracker. |
| 01:30:14 | Fatbum | any1 a+ certified? |
| 01:30:20 | tux_mike | yo |
| 01:30:38 | W|GGL|T | http://www.wigglit.com/images/wigglit_plate.jpg |
| 01:30:46 | tux_mike | hobbs: could it be the ae looking one? :) |
| 01:30:54 | Fatbum | cool |
| 01:31:17 | hobbs | no, it was actually "multi-character character constant" gcc warning, but that's not what the title said. :) |
| 01:31:44 | tux_mike | i know. i was making a bad pun on the poorly worded fixline :) |
| 01:37:48 | tux_mike | ljp: did you see the new futurama game? |
| 01:38:16 | | you are on crack |
| 01:38:16 | Fatbum | ibot fatbum |
| 01:38:19 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:38:29 | | ...but fatbum is on crack... |
| 01:38:29 | Fatbum | ibot fatbum is lost |
| 01:38:36 | | ...but fatbum is on crack... |
| 01:38:36 | Fatbum | ibot fatbum is lost and is on crack |
| 01:38:45 | | okay, Fatbum. |
| 01:38:45 | Fatbum | ibot: fatbum is also lost |
| 01:38:50 | | you are, like, on crack or lost |
| 01:38:50 | Fatbum | ibot fatbum |
| 01:38:55 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:38:58 | Fatbum | one of the two |
| 01:39:02 | tux_mike | fatbum is also not a geek |
| 01:39:13 | Yoso | http://www.nocodingoncrack.org/ |
| 01:39:19 | tux_mike | :) |
| 01:39:23 | Fatbum | i should have initrb.bin, bootflag.txt and zimage right? |
| 01:39:23 | tux_mike | forgot the ibot :) |
| 01:39:40 | Yoso | For anyone who doesn't know, the guy in that pic is one of the primary coders on Gimp. |
| 01:39:47 | Fatbum | looks like |
| 01:39:50 | Fatbum | is he on crack? |
| 01:39:57 | Yoso | Apparently. :) |
| 01:40:09 | | okay, hobbs. |
| 01:40:09 | hobbs | ibot fatbum is also something |
| 01:40:27 | hobbs | that way it ends with "or something" >:) |
| 01:40:29 | Fatbum | i should have initrd.bin, bootflag.txt and zimage right? |
| 01:40:31 | Fatbum | any1? |
| 01:40:50 | tux_mike | on CF, yes to write a flash |
| 01:41:34 | hobbs | hrm... should I work on my presentation for British Lit due tomorrow, or actually sleep? |
| 01:41:36 | Fatbum | does xmms work in oz? |
| 01:42:06 | sj-laptop | Fatbum: No. xmms is X-windows not AT |
| 01:42:14 | Fatbum | there is a port tho |
| 01:42:18 | sj-laptop | s/AT/QT/ |
| 01:42:58 | sj-laptop | Oh. I didnt know that |
| 01:43:05 | tux_mike | dunno. haven't tried it |
| 01:43:10 | Fatbum | yay |
| 01:43:12 | Fatbum | ill try it |
| 01:43:17 | Fatbum | flash time |
| 01:43:20 | Fatbum | fuck you sharp |
| 01:43:21 | hobbs | works great for me on standard, though. |
| 01:43:23 | Fatbum | heh |
| 01:44:04 | Fatbum | ive had prollems loading up mp3s |
| 01:44:11 | Fatbum | like only 3/4 selected would load |
| 01:44:31 | Yoso | I had similar problems too. |
| 01:44:38 | Yoso | Use a playlist, it loads those just fine. |
| 01:44:48 | Yoso | Also, a new version of xmms was released recently. |
| 01:44:48 | Fatbum | blame = bleedin lame |
| 01:44:54 | Yoso | You might wanna check into it. |
| 01:45:25 | Fatbum | i got it pretty recently |
| 01:45:27 | Fatbum | i wonder.... |
| 01:45:44 | Yoso | I've had fewer problems with the most recent one. |
| 01:45:53 | Fatbum | cool |
| 01:46:46 | treke | hmm 490 apps on zsi. benmeyer just might make his goal |
| 01:47:10 | Fatbum | zsi |
| 01:47:14 | | hmmm... zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 01:47:14 | Fatbum | ibot zsi |
| 01:47:27 | | zNav 1.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=351 |
| 01:47:28 | | Win4 0.0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=526 |
| 01:47:29 | | Juplet/Moonlet 0.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=426 |
| 01:47:30 | | 3 of 5 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=show recent zsi |
| 01:47:30 | Fatbum | ibot show recent zsi |
| 01:47:33 | noda | So, who's tried phoenix yet? :) |
| 01:47:36 | Fatbum | sorry guys |
| 01:47:38 | | No results were found searching ZSI for '"go to hell"'. |
| 01:47:38 | hobbs | ibot search zsi for "go to hell" |
| 01:47:42 | hobbs | heh. :P |
| 01:47:54 | noda | The accuracy of mozilla, the speed of Opera! http://www.mozilla.org |
| 01:52:30 | | Fatbum: sorry... |
| 01:52:30 | Fatbum | ibot oz network |
| 01:53:40 | cranch | kergoth`gone: any new beta initrd.bin's? |
| 02:00:19 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: phoenix? |
| 02:00:31 | noda | TheMasterMind1: New browser by the mozilla folks :) |
| 02:00:39 | noda | TheMasterMind1: http://www.mozilla.org |
| 02:01:11 | noda | Definitely worth a shot. If I were a Windows user, I'd use phoenix in most cases and the odd Mozilla once in a while. |
| 02:02:38 | Fatbum | hey um any1 got any points to specific oz usb networking? |
| 02:02:49 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting |
| 02:02:53 | noda | Fatbum: What's the problem? Or do you need a general howto? |
| 02:03:06 | noda | TheMasterMind1: You should try it out, it's worth checking at least, even if you have a favorite browser :) |
| 02:03:16 | cranch | noda: you use it? |
| 02:03:29 | noda | cranch: phoenix? No, but I just tried it out and I can see the appeal. |
| 02:03:34 | Fatbum | well i just flashed my oz and would like to dl some ipkgs, etc |
| 02:03:36 | noda | I use Galeon. |
| 02:03:49 | TheMasterMind1 | as do i |
| 02:03:50 | noda | Fatbum: What's your computer, Windows or Linux? |
| 02:03:52 | TheMasterMind1 | galeon is great |
| 02:04:03 | Fatbum | windows, but im workin on the linux kernel |
| 02:04:18 | Fatbum | i just compiled with the usbdnet patch, but now my hid wont work |
| 02:04:32 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I made the big mistake of trying Galeon2 (which is not great :P). To undo this I went to mozilla to find the name of the CVS tag for mozilla 1.2a... and noticed this new browser :) |
| 02:04:45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:04:52 | noda | Fatbum: You shouldn't compile the kernel with a separate patch. Use the module. |
| 02:04:52 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleep. |
| 02:05:05 | | usbdnet is make sure you're using the NEW UHCI kernel driver and not the alternate.. (deselect the uhci driver in usb in kernel config and you will get a choice of either alternate or new) |
| 02:05:05 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot usbdnet |
| 02:05:10 | Fatbum | noda i ran the patch on kernel source |
| 02:05:16 | noda | Fatbum: You shouldn't have to. |
| 02:05:21 | Fatbum | oh |
| 02:05:28 | Fatbum | well thats how i compiled the module |
| 02:05:32 | Fatbum | was the kern src |
| 02:05:44 | noda | Hrm, don't know that way. Better follow ibot's instructions :) |
| 02:05:48 | Fatbum | anyhoo im in (gulp) m$ mode |
| 02:06:04 | noda | Fatbum: You gotta install the drivers on the Sharp CD and use "internet connection sharing" |
| 02:06:11 | Fatbum | any howtos out there for the oz usb? |
| 02:06:23 | noda | Fatbum: Exactly the same as with the sharp. |
| 02:06:37 | Fatbum | noda do you use oz? |
| 02:06:42 | noda | Fatbum: Yep |
| 02:06:49 | noda | Fatbum: Not usb though |
| 02:06:55 | ljp_s | whats oz? |
| 02:07:01 | Fatbum | have you noticed theres no usb option in the network setup app |
| 02:07:01 | Fatbum | ? |
| 02:07:26 | jmhodges | is away: going to see if i can go 0 for 2 |
| 02:07:28 | noda | Fatbum: Hrm. It should just work. Try opening a terminal and going "ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.201 up" or something |
| 02:08:18 | noda | Bah. sleepytime. |
| 02:19:10 | cranch | anyone use the opera creator for OZ? |
| 02:19:19 | Fatbum | i am gonna |
| 02:19:22 | Mantus | anyone know what onvalid magic means? |
| 02:19:23 | Fatbum | gotta reflash tho :( |
| 02:19:28 | Fatbum | just like that other guy :( |
| 02:19:46 | Mantus | cranch: it gave me errors ... i just use konqueror |
| 02:20:53 | Fatbum | i thought konq didnt work in oz |
| 02:21:04 | Mantus | of course it works |
| 02:21:13 | Mantus | im using it now |
| 02:21:59 | Fatbum | i thought it didnt tho |
| 02:23:15 | Mantus | works fine |
| 02:23:21 | Fatbum | ok |
| 02:23:46 | Mantus | right from the OZ3 feed |
| 02:24:11 | Fatbum | um |
| 02:24:14 | Fatbum | i cant get usb network |
| 02:24:20 | Fatbum | :'( |
| 02:30:23 | jbardin | hmm |
| 02:30:26 | jbardin | what is opera creator |
| 02:30:35 | Fatbum | it makes ipks from opera in the sharp rom |
| 02:30:55 | jbardin | interesint |
| 02:31:03 | jbardin | what is its homepage? |
| 02:31:11 | | Fatbum: i'm not following you... |
| 02:31:11 | Fatbum | ibot zsl |
| 02:31:14 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 02:31:14 | Fatbum | ibot zsi |
| 02:31:18 | Fatbum | there :) |
| 02:31:49 | Fatbum | jbardin you know oz usb networking? |
| 02:32:42 | jbardin | sorta |
| 02:32:47 | jbardin | i know howto read the howto on it |
| 02:32:56 | Fatbum | where is an oz specific howto? |
| 02:33:40 | jbardin | check out http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 02:33:50 | Fatbum | im in winsuckj |
| 02:33:51 | Fatbum | :( |
| 02:41:06 | ljp | I like win2k, I just dont use it much |
| 02:41:17 | Fatbum | well :( |
| 02:41:30 | Fatbum | remembers why he got back sharp rom last time |
| 02:41:34 | Fatbum | no usb! |
| 02:41:43 | ljp | I use it mostly for recording audio or editing video |
| 02:41:45 | Fatbum | of course there is, im just as ibot says: |
| 02:41:46 | | you are probably on crack or lost or something |
| 02:41:46 | Fatbum | ibot fatbum |
| 02:42:13 | ljp | which rom? |
| 02:42:26 | Fatbum | oz 2.9.55 |
| 02:42:40 | ljp | did you set the ip range in security settings? |
| 02:42:56 | ljp | or is the problem th edesktop? |
| 02:43:11 | Fatbum | i want to get internet from the pc to oz |
| 02:43:17 | Fatbum | i have a proxy on dekstop |
| 02:46:05 | Fatbum | i guess the pc would have to recognize it first eh |
| 02:53:14 | Fatbum | any ideas? |
| 02:53:16 | Fatbum | hola? |
| 02:56:41 | Fatbum | :( |
| 02:56:45 | | i heard oz was see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 02:56:45 | Fatbum | ibot oz |
| 02:57:10 | | Fatbum: huh? |
| 02:57:10 | Fatbum | ibot oz3 |
| 03:00:46 | | i don't know, fatbum |
| 03:00:46 | Fatbum | ibot who |
| 03:00:53 | | fatbum: i don't know |
| 03:00:53 | Fatbum | ibot who iss on crack |
| 03:01:03 | | i don't know, fatbum |
| 03:01:03 | Fatbum | ibot who is on crack |
| 03:01:08 | Fatbum | ibot is on crack |
| 03:01:15 | | well, i am the best bot in #bzflag |
| 03:01:15 | Fatbum | ibot: ibot? |
| 03:01:26 | whardier | wants to blow up ibot in bzflag |
| 03:13:44 | Fatbum | how do you specify proxies in linux? |
| 03:14:03 | hardwire | int he kernel |
| 03:14:07 | jbardin | well typically thats done in the web browser |
| 03:14:11 | hardwire | you have to recompile the kernel if you want to use proxies |
| 03:14:14 | anseror | hey guys |
| 03:14:29 | Fatbum | hi anseror |
| 03:14:32 | anseror | i threw a little feed thing together today |
| 03:14:33 | jbardin | mmm isnt proxies for variaus services over IP networks |
| 03:14:35 | anseror | http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 03:14:40 | Fatbum | anseror anser me this... |
| 03:14:44 | anseror | still a work in progress, just wanted to let y'all know. |
| 03:14:59 | Fatbum | whoa cool man |
| 03:15:07 | jbardin | whats all this talk about feeds? |
| 03:15:30 | | feeds is probably listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 03:15:30 | jbardin | ibot feeds |
| 03:15:37 | Fatbum | you wont get banned as long as you dont feed costly apps |
| 03:15:40 | Fatbum | ;) |
| 03:15:43 | anseror | i'll probably add searching and submitting feeds etc later this week. |
| 03:15:44 | Fatbum | learned it the hard way |
| 03:15:44 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 03:15:54 | Fatbum | anseror you use oz? |
| 03:16:19 | anseror | Fatbum: actually, I use an ipaq with familiar/opie |
| 03:16:33 | anseror | Fatbum: i'm eagerly awaiting my contest-Z, but that's taking forever. |
| 03:16:52 | Fatbum | anseror where can i specify the use of a proxy for all internet access? |
| 03:16:55 | Fatbum | or opikg? |
| 03:16:58 | Fatbum | oipkg |
| 03:18:48 | anseror | Fatbum: i have no idea. |
| 03:18:58 | | proxy is This is commonly a form of Internet security. You can use a proxy or proxy server to pass data between your internal network and the Internet. A machine on your network sends a request to the proxy. The proxy sends the request to a server on the Internet. Thus, it stands in for the computer on your network. The server on the Internet never knows that the request is coming from anywhere but the proxy. Thus 100 machines on your network could all access an Internet server and it would look like the proxy was making all of the requests. Some proxies have caching and site filtering built in. |
| 03:18:58 | Fatbum | ibot proxy |
| 03:19:01 | treke | Fatbum: check what wget uses, that will work for oipkg |
| 03:19:02 | hardwire | Fatbum |
| 03:19:04 | hardwire | :) |
| 03:19:11 | treke | Fatbum: there is no global proxy setting |
| 03:19:11 | hardwire | I can answer all your questions.. I am just being a jackass |
| 03:19:13 | hardwire | what are you doing |
| 03:19:23 | Fatbum | i needa specifcy my proxy in oz |
| 03:19:28 | Fatbum | i got the connection up |
| 03:19:35 | anseror | is how japanese people pronounce anselor, my other handle. |
| 03:19:37 | Fatbum | just wont get internet unless i tell it my proxy |
| 03:19:38 | hardwire | do that from network properties |
| 03:19:47 | hardwire | in the lan tcp/ip connection |
| 03:20:00 | hardwire | that does not set it globally |
| 03:20:07 | hardwire | just for programs in Qtopia that grok it |
| 03:20:21 | hardwire | everything else is RTFM |
| 03:20:41 | | zfi is, like, http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 03:20:41 | anseror | ibot zfi |
| 03:22:14 | hardwire | saur |
| 03:22:18 | hardwire | shoots sig |
| 03:22:39 | sig | yo yo |
| 03:22:46 | sig | qnx is cool |
| 03:22:47 | sig | brb |
| 03:22:50 | hardwire | bang dead stop drop roll! |
| 03:23:17 | hardwire | HEH! |
| 03:25:31 | Fatbum | is there a wgetrc file on the z in oz? |
| 03:25:38 | hardwire | goat |
| 03:31:31 | jmhodges | is back (gone 01:24:05) |
| 03:37:20 | Fatbum | throws his zaurus |
| 03:37:25 | Fatbum | goes to sleep |
| 03:58:16 | NeoTron | is back (gone 78:41:05) |
| 04:20:12 | hardwire | hmm |
| 04:20:24 | hardwire | testicles something |
| 04:26:51 | hardwire | like a hot slap on the ass in a cold shower |
| 04:26:54 | hardwire | I am happy to see you |
| 04:26:57 | hardwire | :) |
| 04:28:21 | Yoso | blinks |
| 04:29:51 | codemnky | eew |
| 04:30:00 | hardwire | heh |
| 04:55:52 | kryhme | hey zaurus |
| 04:56:47 | hardwire | fucker |
| 04:56:58 | hardwire | whats up biznatch |
| 04:57:01 | hardwire | <- whardier |
| 05:17:38 | W|GGL|T | sig: damn...for someone who has a job, you're sure always up late :oP |
| 05:17:43 | sig | heh |
| 05:17:49 | sig | yeah, i don't run on much sleep |
| 05:18:01 | sig | W|GGL|T: I'm thinking about going back in as a reservist |
| 05:18:04 | hardwire | where are all you goobers located? |
| 05:18:12 | sig | washington state |
| 05:18:13 | W|GGL|T | sig: doh...why? miss it? |
| 05:18:16 | sig | yeah |
| 05:18:19 | W|GGL|T | central texas |
| 05:18:19 | sig | I miss it |
| 05:18:22 | hardwire | sig whaz yer job? |
| 05:18:28 | W|GGL|T | ive been out too long to go back in |
| 05:18:29 | sig | social worker |
| 05:18:36 | sig | CPU:X86 Processors:1 FreeMem:844Mb/895Mb BootTime:Sep 23 22:40:27 UTC 2002 |
| 05:18:36 | sig | Processor1: 686 AMD 686 F6M4S2 1008Mhz FPU |
| 05:18:37 | W|GGL|T | probably not as a reservist though |
| 05:18:42 | sig | W|GGL|T: version me |
| 05:18:44 | sig | paste it |
| 05:19:05 | hardwire | isn't it a little late for bieng on the job? |
| 05:19:10 | hardwire | being |
| 05:19:23 | W|GGL|T | -sig- VERSION xchat 1.8.8 QNX 6.2.0 [x86pc] |
| 05:19:27 | hardwire | and do all social workers have a 1008MHZ cfpu |
| 05:19:30 | W|GGL|T | whoa...qnx? |
| 05:19:34 | hardwire | fpu |
| 05:19:34 | sig | yeah |
| 05:19:34 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:19:36 | sig | super nice |
| 05:19:41 | sig | hardwire: I'm not at work dude |
| 05:19:47 | hardwire | dude |
| 05:19:48 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:19:49 | W|GGL|T | you can run xchat on qnx? |
| 05:19:50 | sig | what? |
| 05:19:51 | sig | yeah |
| 05:19:52 | sig | I am now |
| 05:19:55 | sig | I got it ported |
| 05:19:58 | sig | check out this sshot |
| 05:19:59 | hardwire | nice |
| 05:20:02 | hardwire | woot |
| 05:20:32 | sig | <sig> well its already ported, i just messed around with it |
| 05:20:32 | sig | <sig> i got gaim running too |
| 05:20:44 | W|GGL|T | is there alot of ported software for qnx? |
| 05:21:08 | sig | yeah |
| 05:21:10 | sig | there is now |
| 05:21:13 | sig | tons |
| 05:21:25 | sig | photon is super fast gui environment too |
| 05:21:42 | W|GGL|T | lol...you need to send me that pic of sung hi lee |
| 05:21:47 | W|GGL|T | hawt |
| 05:21:50 | sig | opera, mozilla, etc... |
| 05:21:51 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:21:54 | sig | lol |
| 05:21:56 | sig | k |
| 05:21:59 | jmhodges | if thats the woman i think it is .. |
| 05:22:03 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:22:04 | jmhodges | send me it too ;) |
| 05:22:14 | sig | it is a png so its big |
| 05:22:20 | W|GGL|T | wtf can't i send dccs but receive fine |
| 05:22:39 | sig | --- Offering Sun_Hi_Lee_by_JFS.png to W|GGL|T |
| 05:22:39 | sig | --- Offering Sun_Hi_Lee_by_JFS.png to jmhodges |
| 05:22:45 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:22:49 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:22:50 | sig | heh |
| 05:22:56 | Yoso | dude just throw up a webpage so we can all get it :D |
| 05:22:59 | W|GGL|T | big |
| 05:23:07 | jmhodges | I LOVE T1 LINES |
| 05:23:19 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges prolly got it before i did |
| 05:23:23 | W|GGL|T | still going |
| 05:23:28 | jmhodges | hugs his fat pipe to the wonderful glorious internet |
| 05:23:32 | jmhodges | done |
| 05:23:38 | jmhodges | been done actually :) |
| 05:24:05 | sig | that pic will make a nice desktop background |
| 05:24:09 | sig | :) |
| 05:24:15 | Yoso | :P |
| 05:24:16 | hardwire | wishes he could see |
| 05:24:30 | Yoso | personally I was more curious about the screenshot of xchat on qnx :D |
| 05:24:40 | hardwire | has no idea where that dcc file is headed |
| 05:24:44 | Yoso | but nothing against Ms lee either |
| 05:24:45 | Yoso | :D |
| 05:24:46 | hardwire | I hope its not /dev/null |
| 05:24:48 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:24:48 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:24:49 | jmhodges | hmm. |
| 05:24:54 | sig | hah |
| 05:25:01 | jmhodges | when i zoomed in with gimp i got some corrupted errors |
| 05:25:07 | W|GGL|T | should play with qnx now...played with it maybe 3 yrs ago |
| 05:25:16 | sig | dude gimp is ported to qnx too W|GGL|T |
| 05:25:16 | jmhodges | is sitting away from his comp and cannot see well ;) |
| 05:25:20 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 05:25:23 | jmhodges | bah qnx |
| 05:25:24 | W|GGL|T | you downloaded it? |
| 05:25:26 | sig | gaim, xchat, gimp, and the list goes on and on |
| 05:25:28 | hardwire | sexthy |
| 05:25:29 | sig | yeah |
| 05:25:32 | sig | heh |
| 05:25:35 | sig | fast |
| 05:25:37 | hardwire | thats not QNX tho |
| 05:25:40 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:25:41 | W|GGL|T | imma download it now |
| 05:25:43 | jmhodges | i tried it, got everything i need with my linux :) |
| 05:25:45 | Yoso | leeet |
| 05:25:50 | jmhodges | hugs lunar-linux.org |
| 05:25:52 | hardwire | atleast unless she is a fast gui |
| 05:26:02 | sig | jmhodges: I use, qnx, fbsd, linux, |
| 05:26:23 | Yoso | I trust everyone here knows about Knoppix? |
| 05:26:26 | sig | openssh is also ported as you can see on my screenshot |
| 05:26:35 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:26:37 | Yoso | I only recently discovered it. |
| 05:26:37 | W|GGL|T | i gave up on netbsd |
| 05:26:38 | jmhodges | ssgit? |
| 05:26:39 | jmhodges | er.. |
| 05:26:41 | jmhodges | sshot? |
| 05:27:02 | sig | you didn't see jmhodges? |
| 05:27:06 | W|GGL|T | sig: which version you got? |
| 05:27:12 | sig | 6.2 |
| 05:27:15 | sig | newest |
| 05:27:47 | jmhodges | nope |
| 05:27:55 | sig | dcc on its way jmhodges |
| 05:27:58 | W|GGL|T | your qnx box been up 51 days? |
| 05:28:06 | jmhodges | cant try it another os anyway, beta testing distro |
| 05:28:09 | sig | no thats my fbsd machine |
| 05:28:11 | sig | thats ssh |
| 05:28:18 | sig | i was ssh'd into my fbsd boxen |
| 05:28:19 | sig | :) |
| 05:28:20 | sig | heh |
| 05:29:08 | jmhodges | ah hehe |
| 05:29:50 | sig | well fellas |
| 05:29:57 | sig | It's time for me to hit the sack |
| 05:30:01 | sig | I got work in the mornin |
| 05:30:15 | sig | nice jmhodges, hardwire, W|GGL|T, Yoso, etc... |
| 05:30:30 | sig | is away... | sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep | |
| 05:30:35 | jmhodges | gnight sig |
| 05:30:50 | sig | peace out |
| 05:32:07 | anseror | yay, zfi is mostly functional. |
| 05:32:45 | hardwire | night sig |
| 05:33:14 | W|GGL|T | dayam....qnx server is fuckin slow |
| 05:33:17 | W|GGL|T | night sig |
| 05:34:26 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:36:08 | W|GGL|T | 3.5kbps isn't gonna cut it |
| 05:36:13 | Onyx4 | does the Z pcmcia uses i82365 or tcic ? |
| 05:42:24 | hardwire | poop |
| 05:43:16 | hardwire | does not remember |
| 05:43:20 | hardwire | its in the kernel config |
| 05:43:26 | hardwire | which you have offhand |
| 05:43:31 | hardwire | being an OZ developer :) |
| 05:47:39 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 06:44:29 | Onyx4 | test |
| 06:44:33 | Onyx4|Z | test |
| 06:44:37 | Onyx4|Z | cool |
| 06:54:50 | Datake | hi |
| 07:12:36 | Datake | woehoew |
| 07:26:29 | reg | send my Zaurus for repair yesterday - I miss it already |
| 07:26:43 | Datake | ow |
| 07:26:46 | Datake | what was wrong with it ? |
| 07:27:09 | reg | wouldn't initialize wlan card |
| 07:27:30 | Datake | what card? |
| 07:27:33 | reg | it knew that it was a cf card |
| 07:27:38 | reg | wireless lan, buffalo |
| 07:27:48 | Datake | are you sure it is supported? |
| 07:27:48 | reg | but not what to do with it |
| 07:28:16 | reg | yes, buffalo is supported, it worked in several Zauri we tested it in - but not in mine |
| 07:28:28 | Datake | did you upgrade to the latest rom ? |
| 07:28:43 | reg | yes |
| 07:28:48 | smee | I have the buffallo wlicfs11g - works well for me |
| 07:28:54 | Datake | was it a 5500G ? |
| 07:28:57 | reg | yes |
| 07:28:58 | Datake | german version? |
| 07:29:01 | reg | yes |
| 07:29:04 | Datake | it the os in german? |
| 07:29:06 | Datake | or english ? |
| 07:29:11 | reg | german 3.28 os |
| 07:29:17 | reg | no |
| 07:29:21 | reg | 2.38 |
| 07:29:28 | Datake | in german ? |
| 07:29:30 | Datake | the soft? |
| 07:29:32 | reg | in german |
| 07:29:35 | reg | yes |
| 07:29:39 | Datake | brr :) |
| 07:29:49 | Datake | glad i didn't get on in germany then ;) |
| 07:29:53 | Datake | i was planning to |
| 07:29:58 | Datake | one even |
| 07:30:10 | Datake | i don't speak german ;) |
| 07:30:23 | Datake | well not much anyway |
| 07:30:33 | reg | hm, a colleague has a german one, with german OS 2.36 and it worked there without any problem |
| 07:30:43 | Datake | ;) |
| 07:30:48 | reg | and it worked on german OS 2.38 before |
| 07:30:55 | reg | on another Z |
| 07:31:09 | Datake | probably a broken CF slot or so |
| 07:31:18 | reg | thats what I thought |
| 07:31:47 | Datake | how is the keyboard layout? |
| 07:31:51 | Datake | of tge 5500G ? |
| 07:31:53 | smee | can start klogd and syslogs and look for messages |
| 07:31:55 | Datake | of the 5500G ? |
| 07:31:57 | smee | syslogd |
| 07:32:09 | reg | I took my Z back to the shop and they send it in |
| 07:32:26 | Datake | I sell the zaurus in belgium here now |
| 07:32:30 | Datake | had to send one too |
| 07:32:37 | reg | and I told him what I had tested already, but the person just wrote down cannot connect to lan |
| 07:32:39 | Datake | completely dead after recharging |
| 07:33:02 | reg | I'd rather have an english one frankly |
| 07:33:15 | Datake | have one shipped? |
| 07:33:16 | reg | because I don't care much about umlauts |
| 07:33:38 | reg | I have one already, and one is expensive enough |
| 07:33:46 | reg | so I just live with german keyboard |
| 07:33:47 | Datake | you can always sell it ;) |
| 07:34:36 | reg | I love my Z |
| 07:34:41 | Datake | me too :) |
| 07:34:44 | reg | so I won't sell it |
| 07:34:51 | Datake | it's here right beside me ;) |
| 07:34:53 | reg | I hope I get it back soon |
| 07:35:01 | Datake | hope so too :) |
| 07:35:07 | Datake | couldn't miss it myself |
| 07:35:22 | Datake | i was just about to order a SD card for it ;) |
| 07:35:30 | reg | I just mailed a detailed description to the company that are doing the repair, I hope they are clever enough to get it to the right person |
| 07:35:49 | Datake | yeah that's always a bitch when sending in a repair |
| 07:35:52 | reg | My SD card is here |
| 07:35:57 | Datake | say |
| 07:36:05 | Datake | can you tell me what it costs in germany? |
| 07:36:15 | Datake | they say it's alot cheaper then in belgium |
| 07:36:22 | reg | is it? |
| 07:36:25 | Datake | SD memory |
| 07:36:41 | reg | you could check at www.guenstiger.de |
| 07:36:51 | Datake | yeah people here in belgium always say that computer stuff is alot cheaper in germanty |
| 07:36:58 | reg | i think sd cards are listed somewhere in the photo section |
| 07:37:07 | Datake | let's eee |
| 07:37:16 | reg | and you find the cheapest retail prices there |
| 07:37:29 | Datake | do they ship international? |
| 07:38:40 | reg | depends on the shop, they just list prices of different shops, and then you have to ask the shop |
| 07:38:53 | reg | inside Europe there shouldn't be a problem |
| 07:38:58 | reg | at least I hope so |
| 07:39:08 | Datake | can't find it :/ |
| 07:39:42 | Datake | got it |
| 07:40:06 | Datake | man |
| 07:40:13 | Datake | I get 128mb for 50 euro |
| 07:40:18 | Datake | on that site |
| 07:40:24 | Datake | and here it's 50 euro for 64mb :/ |
| 07:40:52 | reg | wow |
| 07:41:03 | reg | they have gotten cheaper the last few month |
| 07:41:51 | Datake | Lokstedter Weg 45 |
| 07:41:51 | Datake | 20251 Hamburg |
| 07:41:56 | reg | they were 50 cents per MB not long ago |
| 07:41:58 | Datake | |
| 07:42:04 | Datake | diekamera.com |
| 07:42:19 | Datake | hamburg is far from here :/ |
| 07:43:21 | reg | they must have an email adress listed - just ask them if they ship to you and what it costs |
| 07:44:55 | Datake | multimedia cards should be cheaper |
| 07:45:38 | reg | yes |
| 07:45:43 | Datake | on there site it's 86 euro for 128mb ? |
| 07:46:05 | reg | oh |
| 07:46:06 | Datake | i was wrong |
| 07:46:11 | Datake | i was looking at smartmedia |
| 07:46:15 | reg | ah |
| 07:46:17 | Datake | instead of secure digital |
| 07:46:41 | reg | so not so cheap |
| 07:47:08 | Datake | almost the same as here |
| 07:48:36 | Datake | i need some styluses as well |
| 07:48:46 | Datake | it fel and broke into 3 pieces :/ |
| 07:49:31 | reg | I bought a tripen |
| 07:49:40 | reg | Lamy does those, as well as Rotring |
| 07:49:55 | reg | standard size pens with one tip for PDA |
| 07:50:19 | Datake | does it fit in the zaurus? |
| 07:50:24 | reg | no |
| 07:50:31 | reg | it is a normal sized pen |
| 07:50:34 | Datake | o |
| 07:50:35 | Datake | ic |
| 07:50:45 | Datake | well i glued it now |
| 07:50:57 | Datake | but it keeps breaking from time to time |
| 07:51:05 | reg | the original replacements are expensive, i think |
| 07:51:06 | Datake | so i use that off my cellphone |
| 07:51:13 | Datake | I asked the price |
| 07:51:21 | Datake | to my reseller |
| 07:51:23 | reg | 10 EUR if I remember correctly |
| 07:51:29 | Datake | djeez |
| 07:51:43 | Datake | I told my reseller to order the stylus of the 5000D |
| 07:51:49 | Datake | instead of the 5500 |
| 07:52:02 | Datake | those are plastic in 1 piece |
| 07:52:16 | Datake | instead of the 3 piece one of the 5500 |
| 07:52:22 | reg | I've been told the visor styli work, they are a little to long, but completly plastic so you can cut them to the right size |
| 07:52:33 | reg | ah, might be cheaper then |
| 07:52:49 | Datake | yeah and they won't break into 3 pieces when you drop em |
| 07:53:07 | Datake | it's a design flaw imho |
| 07:53:18 | reg | nods |
| 07:53:52 | reg | though they have a nice weight to them, the plastic ones are too light for me |
| 07:54:00 | reg | but then I just use my tripen |
| 07:54:53 | Datake | another thing that bothers me is the paint of the case |
| 07:55:04 | Datake | i have my Z for a month or so |
| 07:55:10 | Datake | and i try to take care of it |
| 07:55:19 | Datake | but there are already alot of scratches |
| 07:55:36 | Datake | and the paint on the side of the screen, where the plastic cover rests on the case |
| 07:56:06 | Datake | has alot of scratches |
| 07:56:16 | Datake | if it's in your pocket |
| 07:56:25 | Datake | and you get pressure in the plastic cover |
| 07:56:32 | Datake | it makes scratches on the case of the Z |
| 07:56:39 | Datake | and you get pressure on the plastic cover |
| 07:56:41 | Datake | it makes scratches on the case of the Z |
| 07:56:42 | Datake | :) |
| 07:56:58 | Datake | so the paint on the Z is not so good |
| 07:57:19 | Datake | not to mention the back and the battery cover :/ |
| 07:57:22 | Datake | all scatched up |
| 07:59:47 | reg | it isn't but I got a pielframa leather case |
| 08:00:12 | reg | in it my Z doesn't get too much scratched |
| 08:00:40 | Datake | ic |
| 08:00:43 | Datake | expensive? |
| 08:01:58 | reg | no, not considering how good it actually is made |
| 08:02:19 | reg | I think it's on www.pielframa.com |
| 08:03:05 | Datake | aha |
| 08:37:25 | Twiun | mornin' folks |
| 08:41:20 | reg | hi Twiun |
| 09:20:08 | Datake | hey |
| 09:20:37 | Twiun | yo |
| 09:23:20 | tboc | hi |
| 09:24:31 | Twiun | waves |
| 09:44:06 | Datake | & |
| 09:44:06 | Datake | *D* |
| 10:14:21 | smee | whee, x11zaurus |
| 10:14:32 | WormHOME | eh? |
| 10:14:38 | WormHOME | why would you want x11 |
| 10:14:39 | WormHOME | hehe |
| 10:18:17 | tboc | smee: got it to work with OZ? |
| 10:19:23 | smee | tboc: yeah...well...in as much as I have an xterm running |
| 10:19:45 | tboc | smee: better than my approach *g* |
| 10:20:12 | tboc | smee: the install script made wrong file-links |
| 10:20:33 | tboc | smee: btw. which ipk did you use? |
| 10:20:43 | smee | hm...I just installed to /usr/local as it prompted me |
| 10:21:05 | smee | x11zaurus_0.8_arm.ipk |
| 10:21:18 | tboc | hmm.. didn't work for me - perhaps because ipkg remembered that i wanted to install it to SD the first time |
| 10:21:55 | smee | ah - didnt try that as I left my SD card at home today :) |
| 10:22:25 | tboc | hehe :) |
| 10:22:38 | smee | tee hee - running xeyes on my Z and displaying on desktop |
| 10:22:58 | tboc | lol |
| 10:23:12 | tboc | btw. already tried the VICE port? |
| 10:24:12 | smee | c64 emu? was one reason for installing x11zaurus actually |
| 10:24:46 | tboc | :) |
| 10:25:15 | tboc | i'd like to see some more x11-apps for the Z ... |
| 10:26:35 | tboc | running qtopia on the Z is fine ... but it doesn't "feel" like a real linux machine ;P |
| 10:27:14 | smee | heh, yeah... I'll try icewm now |
| 10:27:42 | tboc | btw. is wm available? |
| 10:28:17 | smee | dont know |
| 10:28:52 | smee | calibration seems a bit off for the touch screen |
| 10:31:47 | tboc | hmm, i'll check the debian-arm-port |
| 10:32:18 | smee | probably there |
| 10:37:09 | smee | thought mkfifo was a busybox thing |
| 10:37:49 | tboc | perhaps in the utils package? |
| 10:38:27 | smee | hm |
| 10:39:52 | smee | no...not in armutils |
| 10:40:40 | tboc | nothing in util-linux-base? |
| 10:41:30 | smee | looks |
| 10:45:12 | smee | killefiz busybox has it |
| 10:45:37 | tboc | ic |
| 10:57:34 | smee | they were the last kind of joins I discovered |
| 10:57:52 | smee | oops - wrong channel ;) |
| 11:01:27 | smee | how do I get x11zaurus to grab stylus events? |
| 11:11:59 | smee | ah - like that |
| 11:17:03 | tboc | smee: btw. wmaker is in the debian-arm-packagelist |
| 11:17:52 | tboc | i wonder if this would run without a recompile on the Z |
| 11:17:54 | smee | thanks tboc |
| 11:17:59 | tboc | np |
| 11:18:02 | tboc | =) |
| 11:18:21 | tboc | but i can't test it because i haven't got X11 |
| 11:19:35 | smee | I'll maybe try a little later |
| 11:19:51 | tboc | that'd be nice |
| 11:26:00 | scanline | is away: ZzzzZzzZzzzz.... |
| 11:32:06 | LS-AND1 | Hi everyone.... |
| 11:33:32 | LS-AND1 | Alright... I've got a question for all of u!! I've recently acquired the zaurus SL-5500... And I am extremely happy about it! I mean, what more can we ask of it... However, I'm not sure what the best option is.... QTopia?? Opie?? any other Option?? |
| 11:34:34 | kolla | QOption? :) |
| 11:35:07 | LS-AND1 | kolla... how do u have your Z? |
| 11:35:26 | kolla | openzaurus and opie |
| 11:35:45 | ljp | depends on if you mind experimenting.. opie is rather beta stage, and oz is very beta |
| 11:36:18 | kolla | and qtopia isnt? :) |
| 11:36:29 | kolla | who could have guessed :) |
| 11:36:43 | LS-AND1 | yeah I noticed... I did try oz yesterday, but I found a bunch of bugs, which at this point I'm not too ready to handle... |
| 11:36:53 | LS-AND1 | the package manager is very buggy |
| 11:37:03 | numatrix | LS-AND1: wait until 3.0 is done (very shortly), it will solve most if not all of those bugs. |
| 11:37:10 | LS-AND1 | I liked it, but I thought I might be better off waiting a little bit.... |
| 11:37:26 | LS-AND1 | yeah, thatz what I was thinking numatrix |
| 11:37:43 | numatrix | LS-AND1: like I said, 3.0 is due out shortly... |
| 11:37:49 | LS-AND1 | great... |
| 11:37:52 | numatrix | LS-AND1: and it's got an absolutely brand-spanking new opie which should be nice. |
| 11:37:55 | kolla | define shortly :) |
| 11:38:08 | smee | numatrix: when's shortly? ;) |
| 11:38:09 | LS-AND1 | I'll be waiting for it... |
| 11:38:09 | numatrix | kolla: I've got beta copies of the file system now. :-) |
| 11:38:49 | LS-AND1 | numatrix... what zimage did u use?? 32_32?? 42_20?? 64?? |
| 11:38:50 | kolla | numatrix: what is that compared to updating from the 3.0 feed? |
| 11:39:00 | kolla | I used 64 |
| 11:39:11 | numatrix | kolla: which '3.0' feed? |
| 11:39:13 | LS-AND1 | that uses all 64 megs as ram right? |
| 11:39:21 | numatrix | kolla: 42_20. |
| 11:39:30 | numatrix | LS-AND1: yeah. |
| 11:39:52 | numatrix | kolla: Though I might go with that next time since I've got a 128mb SD card. If the new opie solves the document tab handling problems. |
| 11:40:34 | kolla | I doubt it, but ehst problems are you ferring to? |
| 11:40:41 | kolla | ehst -> what |
| 11:40:54 | smee | x11zaurus + icewm is more usable than I expected |
| 11:40:58 | numatrix | kolla: Actually right now my Z is completely hosed up due to trying to update to 3.0 yesterday. ;-) Busybox was compiled for x86. Whoops. Note to self: important things like busybox shouldn't be screwed up... |
| 11:41:01 | LS-AND1 | ohhhh... one more doubt... the file transfer... is there any way to transfer the files straight to a CF card and not the Z memory.... |
| 11:41:24 | kolla | aha.. that explains why busybox didnt work :) |
| 11:41:24 | numatrix | LS-AND1: scp localfile rootZ:/mnt/card ? |
| 11:41:33 | numatrix | kolla: :-) Which busybox were you using? |
| 11:41:37 | ljp | 3.0 ? there is no 3.0 |
| 11:41:38 | kolla | I always keep a working backup of busybox in my /bin |
| 11:41:48 | numatrix | ljp: <shrug> Talk to Onyx.... |
| 11:42:01 | kolla | so latest working 0.61pre I guess |
| 11:42:12 | | well, feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 11:42:12 | kolla | ibot feed |
| 11:42:13 | numatrix | kolla: Good call. Unfortunately, I rebooted and I can't even log in. |
| 11:42:14 | ljp | heh talk to kergtoh.. there is no 3.0 |
| 11:42:18 | kolla | http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 11:42:18 | LS-AND1 | I meant using the zaurus software... |
| 11:42:27 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 10 hours, 28 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: ljp_s: no [Tue Sep 24 02:14:19 2002] |
| 11:42:27 | numatrix | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 11:42:31 | ljp | the next oz is going to be 2.9.7 |
| 11:42:42 | kolla | ljp: the feed is still ending with 3.0 |
| 11:42:48 | ljp | his new helpers were a nit over zealous |
| 11:42:51 | numatrix | ljp: Wierd; Onyx4 was working with kergoth on ~something~. Onyx was calling it 3.0. |
| 11:42:55 | numatrix | Ahh. |
| 11:43:02 | kolla | who cares about distro revision number anyways? |
| 11:43:09 | LS-AND1 | thanks for everything... |
| 11:43:10 | LS-AND1 | laters... |
| 11:43:14 | numatrix | LS-AND1: bye |
| 11:43:21 | kolla | "ooh.. it compiles.. it works... release!" |
| 11:43:23 | ljp | well, ya cant really go from 2.9.5 to 2.9.9 is one leap |
| 11:43:59 | smee | anyone tell me what bootflag.txt is for? I consistently flash without it with no ill effects |
| 11:45:10 | ljp | you should.. |
| 11:45:19 | ljp | it sets the runtime level |
| 11:46:05 | smee | as in inittab initdefault? |
| 11:47:03 | ljp | ya.. |
| 11:47:06 | ljp | bbl |
| 11:47:28 | smee | eh? |
| 11:47:30 | numatrix | ljp: You could, but hopefully you'd have a good reason. |
| 11:47:30 | smee | confused |
| 11:48:10 | numatrix | Crap... gotta go do 'work'. ;-) |
| 11:48:10 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 11:49:05 | | howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 11:49:05 | cranch | ibot: howto |
| 11:52:47 | cranch | syncing wirelessly roXors |
| 11:56:06 | djk | Anybody know if there is an easy way to add keymapping for page up down home end to the text editor? something like shift the center circle. |
| 12:01:17 | | rumour has it zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 12:01:17 | cranch | ibot: zsi |
| 12:02:31 | djk | Correction on the example Fn + up(home)/down(end)/left(line start)/right(line end) mapping would very useful is there a way to do this? |
| 12:08:42 | MagiCs | hies |
| 12:13:26 | imm | hi |
| 12:13:38 | imm | anseror: hi |
| 12:14:52 | Captain_Midnight | is back after 0 d 15 h 30 m 7 s |
| 12:23:41 | imm | benmeyer: did you got the Zs from the store ? |
| 12:45:33 | dextro | anyone having troubling getting the linksys wireless card to sync with the network? |
| 12:47:00 | tux_mike_ | this is gonna take a while |
| 12:47:21 | dextro | anyone have any experiance with linksys wireless card for the zaurus? |
| 12:47:58 | dextro | according to the wireless moniter is is picking up a a signal |
| 12:49:02 | dextro | the router is DCHP, so i'm guess the zaurus has to be set to dhcp mode |
| 12:49:30 | smee | dextro: go to settings and network - you set that up there |
| 12:49:39 | Dr_Who | dextro: always just "works" for me |
| 12:49:51 | dextro | i think i found the prob |
| 12:50:03 | dextro | I have no network services running |
| 12:50:28 | smee | there is still a bug in oz where /etc/pcmcia/network.opts gets borked |
| 12:50:35 | dextro | should I setup the network service as "LAN - TCP/IP" ? |
| 12:50:42 | smee | dextro: yeah |
| 12:51:41 | smee | and 'automatically obtain ip address' or somesuch |
| 12:52:01 | dextro | yup |
| 12:52:11 | dextro | says please wait |
| 12:52:36 | smee | good good |
| 12:52:43 | dextro | ok, how can I check my ip address |
| 12:52:54 | smee | the network app |
| 12:52:55 | dextro | I noticed there is no ipconfig command in the terminal |
| 12:53:05 | smee | or at commandline by typing ifconfig wlan0 |
| 12:53:05 | dextro | got it |
| 12:54:11 | smee | oh sharp rom... that might be 'ifconfig eth0' |
| 12:55:48 | dextro | hmm, everything seems tobe setup, but according to the router it has not synced |
| 12:57:17 | tux_mike_ | do you have your encryption keys in and the network name properly in? |
| 12:57:23 | dextro | and there is no ipconfig command at all |
| 12:57:34 | smee | ifconfig |
| 12:57:34 | dextro | yup |
| 12:57:37 | smee | s/p/f/ |
| 12:58:22 | tux_mike_ | there is no command "ipconfig" in linux |
| 12:58:24 | tux_mike_ | it's ifconfig |
| 12:58:35 | dextro | figured it out |
| 12:59:01 | ljp_work | whats linux? |
| 12:59:05 | dextro | well the key is suppoesed to the key, not the passphrase, correct? |
| 12:59:36 | tux_mike_ | s:passp or the hex key |
| 12:59:59 | dextro | intially I tried putting the passp in, but it kept giving me an error |
| 13:00:20 | dextro | in authentication type, what is the difference between open system and shared system? |
| 13:00:56 | tux_mike_ | it should be on open |
| 13:01:09 | dextro | maybe thats the prob |
| 13:01:49 | dextro | the zaurus doesnt require any drivers off the installation cd for the linksys card? |
| 13:02:15 | tux_mike_ | depends on the card and the rom version |
| 13:02:27 | dextro | under network setiing, is says my ip address is eth0 |
| 13:03:14 | smee | it does that when you havent successfully negotiated n address |
| 13:03:54 | dextro | but's it not showing up as a client on the router |
| 13:04:01 | dextro | sorry misread |
| 13:04:25 | dextro | what could still be the issue? |
| 13:05:40 | benmeyer | Morning :-D |
| 13:06:12 | smee | dextro: does your AP allow the client MAC address? |
| 13:06:43 | smee | (stating the obvious ;) |
| 13:07:29 | dextro | AP? |
| 13:07:51 | smee | sorry, wireless access point |
| 13:08:10 | dextro | why wouldnt it |
| 13:08:24 | dextro | it's a linksys router too |
| 13:08:37 | dextro | you'd think, linksys products would work fine together |
| 13:08:41 | dextro | heh |
| 13:10:04 | smee | kicks interoperability |
| 13:10:59 | dextro | what does it mean when the light on the card is blinking? |
| 13:11:20 | smee | depends on the card I think...on my buffallo it means that it hasnt found a network |
| 13:11:35 | dextro | and the zaurus has had the please wait message for minutes already |
| 13:12:33 | smee | not sure what the problem is dextro |
| 13:13:34 | smee | you can check that the prism2 module is loaded (lsmod), but I'm pretty sure it will be |
| 13:13:50 | ljp_work | did you chant 'great googli-moogli'? |
| 13:13:59 | ljp_work | cause sometimes that helps |
| 13:15:03 | dextro | prims2_cs |
| 13:15:08 | smee | I chant this: http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/getfuzzy-20020914.html |
| 13:15:33 | dextro | p80211 used by [prism2_cs] |
| 13:15:52 | smee | looks good dextro |
| 13:16:20 | smee | can type dhcpcd at cmdline...see what happens? |
| 13:17:55 | dextro | cursor stoped blinking thats about it |
| 13:18:36 | smee | boo - can also try ejecting the card (cardctl eject) and reinserting it (cardctl insert) |
| 13:20:20 | dextro | hmm,not the light is steady green |
| 13:20:28 | dextro | now the light is steady green |
| 13:20:41 | tux_mike_ | ... |
| 13:20:48 | tux_mike_ | it was flashing before? |
| 13:20:49 | dextro | but it still did not come up as a client on the router |
| 13:20:52 | dextro | yes |
| 13:20:58 | tux_mike_ | slaps dextro |
| 13:21:07 | smee | chants louder |
| 13:21:17 | dextro | flashing again |
| 13:21:30 | tux_mike_ | that means it's not communicating either by not enough signal or incorrect key config |
| 13:21:41 | tux_mike_ | trying to get an address is pointless |
| 13:22:21 | tux_mike_ | you should have said that off the bat |
| 13:22:46 | smee | hits wlan card with bat |
| 13:23:07 | dextro | signal is 79% and quality is 100% |
| 13:23:32 | dextro | noise is 7%, I doubt it's the signal |
| 13:24:25 | smee | anyone know the VICE keys? I have monty mole on the screen but he wont run around |
| 13:25:17 | tux_mike_ | if you are getting signal, the light shouldn't be flashing |
| 13:25:47 | dextro | hmm, now the wireless moniter sats it cant find a device |
| 13:27:59 | tux_mike_ | i don't know. |
| 13:29:27 | tux_mike_ | hey kergoth |
| 13:29:55 | kergoth | hey |
| 13:30:01 | kergoth | whats goin on |
| 13:30:29 | ljp_work | nothin |
| 13:30:43 | tux_mike_ | jack and shit. and i think jack just left town |
| 13:30:43 | smee | not a lot - monty mole wont budge :) |
| 13:31:24 | dextro | i disabled the encryption on the router to see if it would work |
| 13:31:31 | dextro | no luck |
| 13:31:45 | tux_mike_ | what rom are you using? |
| 13:32:23 | dextro | 2.12 |
| 13:32:30 | darienm | eeeek,OLD !!!! |
| 13:33:02 | dextro | would that really be the prob tho? |
| 13:33:08 | tux_mike_ | yes |
| 13:33:15 | tux_mike_ | update your rom |
| 13:33:44 | imm | hi Sniper |
| 13:33:48 | dextro | ok |
| 13:34:22 | djk | Sniper: who is the retail contact at Sharp on the case if you think nugging them would help get a better distribution of the product. |
| 13:36:39 | tux_mike_ | kergoth: i'm gonna reflash OZ, is the current feed ok? |
| 13:39:13 | ljp_work | heh |
| 13:40:21 | tux_mike_ | ljp: no problems you know of, right? |
| 13:41:29 | ljp_work | ummm.. I havent flashed since 2.9.5.5 |
| 13:41:50 | ljp_work | :D |
| 13:42:04 | tux_mike_ | i'm having problems installing ipks again |
| 13:42:06 | ljp_work | I'm going to wait for 2.9.7 |
| 13:42:50 | ljp_work | ipkg I think was updated, and should be able to handle old ipkg format |
| 13:43:26 | tux_mike_ | i think my problem is in oipkg, it's not linking, but that may be because of ipk seems to be freaking out |
| 13:44:59 | ljp_work | have you tried aqpkg? |
| 13:45:38 | tux_mike_ | is it any good? |
| 13:45:52 | ljp_work | http://www.andyq.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/downloads.htm |
| 13:46:12 | ljp_work | yes, its good. I'm not sure how it is with feeds, tho |
| 13:46:23 | tux_mike_ | is it compatable with ipk |
| 13:46:45 | ljp_work | I thought he was going to add it to opie... |
| 13:47:10 | ljp_work | havent tried it on a newer oz |
| 13:49:46 | tux_mike_ | i hope this will be faster |
| 13:51:15 | Sniper | djk: i saw it on buy.com or amazon as well |
| 13:52:31 | ljp_work | well, I have been using it on 2.9.5.5 |
| 13:52:48 | imm | Sniper: did you got the Zaurii ? |
| 13:52:56 | djk | Sniper: ok but I still would like to see it in a store before shelling out $40 and finding not what I like. |
| 13:55:00 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:07:20) |
| 13:55:13 | Sniper | i understand |
| 13:55:24 | Sniper | brb |
| 13:56:31 | anseror | hello all |
| 13:57:57 | anseror | hi imm |
| 13:58:15 | imm | anseror: hi |
| 13:58:28 | imm | anseror: any news ? |
| 13:58:33 | anseror | check out what i threw together yesterday |
| 13:58:36 | | it has been said that zfi is http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 13:58:36 | anseror | ibot zfi |
| 13:59:06 | imm | anseror: Sniper is not very responsible to my boring questions :) |
| 13:59:10 | anseror | it's not quite done yet, but it's mostly functional |
| 14:00:01 | anseror | i'm told they promised more zauruses than they had in inventory so they're waiting to get more zauruses and ship all at once |
| 14:00:34 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 14:01:39 | imm | anseror: looks nice ! |
| 14:01:44 | anseror | so what do y'all think of zfi? |
| 14:02:00 | smee | anseror: how is it better than zsi? :) |
| 14:02:07 | imm | anseror: zbounce and buzzword are missing :) |
| 14:02:18 | anseror | zfi will automatically update itself against it's feed |
| 14:02:27 | anseror | its feed database |
| 14:02:36 | anseror | people don't have to submit updates |
| 14:02:44 | smee | I see, cool |
| 14:02:56 | treke | hopefully zfi doesnt get flodded with all the crap zsi gets |
| 14:03:06 | anseror | what do you mean? |
| 14:03:56 | anseror | right now the only feed it's updating against is the one at zauruszone |
| 14:04:16 | anseror | but once i get the feed submission thing written, you can submit the feed to any app(s) you write |
| 14:05:26 | anseror | zfi will scan for updates about every 6 hours or so. |
| 14:06:22 | anseror | imm: you set in your package that zbounce is in qpe/games |
| 14:06:34 | anseror | so that's where it is. |
| 14:06:41 | smee | Utilies (4) |
| 14:06:41 | smee | Utilities (3) |
| 14:06:42 | smee | :) |
| 14:06:49 | anseror | yeah, people can't spell. |
| 14:07:22 | anseror | the list is dynamically updated based on what people have entered in their ipk info |
| 14:07:24 | imm | anseror: ok, i think with multiple feeds you nead something like a dublication checker |
| 14:07:27 | anseror | hopefully they won't abuse that. |
| 14:07:36 | anseror | imm: i do a version check |
| 14:07:53 | zecke | did anyone do palmos programming? |
| 14:08:22 | anseror | imm: it will only update if there's a newer version of the software. |
| 14:08:43 | imm | anseror: shure but for example my games are in opie now and also in the zauruszone feed |
| 14:09:06 | anseror | do you have different ipk's? |
| 14:09:25 | imm | anseror: you could provide a maintainer information service if they mess theire entries |
| 14:09:31 | imm | anseror: yes |
| 14:10:06 | anseror | as i said, i wrote this yesterday. open to ideas, etc. |
| 14:11:11 | anseror | imm: why do you have different ipk's? |
| 14:12:54 | smee | anseror: what happens if a package doesnt have a Section entry? |
| 14:13:08 | smee | ah - 'no section' |
| 14:13:11 | anseror | yep |
| 14:13:24 | ljp_work | it will collapse into the nearest blackhole |
| 14:13:56 | anseror | hhaa |
| 14:14:10 | smee | blackhole...that is a good place for my perl package to end up |
| 14:14:11 | tux_mike_ | re kergoth |
| 14:14:51 | kergoth | re |
| 14:16:08 | tux_mike_ | i hate ipkg |
| 14:16:31 | chouimat | morning everyone |
| 14:16:39 | Datake | good evening |
| 14:17:55 | numatrix | kergoth: found the issue with that file system Onyx4 made yet? My Z is still hosed up from trying to install the new busybox. |
| 14:18:24 | kergoth | numatrix: I plan on testing it today. |
| 14:18:31 | kergoth | numatrix: or rather, the one i create. but its close enough |
| 14:19:01 | kergoth | numatrix: pppd is the only makefile that needs converting to the new format now. it generates a full oz initrd atm |
| 14:19:32 | kergoth | i love watching it check one thing out of cvs while its compiling something else |
| 14:20:10 | numatrix | kergoth: So you expect the initrd to finish today? /me cheers. |
| 14:20:34 | kergoth | numatrix: oh i'll have one today. hopefully i have time to spend debugging it. here's hoping its slow at work today :) |
| 14:20:47 | tux_mike_ | kergoth: so you are close to another OZ release? |
| 14:20:57 | numatrix | kergoth: If nothing else, I can help debug it seeing as how my Z is completely hosed anyway. ;-) |
| 14:21:18 | numatrix | kergoth: I used the busybox ipk Onyx4 made before he realized it was i386... <sigh> |
| 14:21:49 | treke | hehe |
| 14:22:29 | anseror | hey guys, if you have suggestions about how to improve zfi, what features need to be added, etc, let me or numatrix know. |
| 14:22:46 | anseror | i gotta run |
| 14:22:55 | numatrix | waves |
| 14:23:27 | Datake | wtf is zfi? |
| 14:23:42 | kergoth | tux_mike_: yup |
| 14:23:42 | kergoth | tux_mike_: finally |
| 14:23:44 | kergoth | tux_mike_: we saved a lot of space |
| 14:23:46 | kergoth | tux_mike_: right now, even with opie preinstalled, it has 6 megs free |
| 14:23:49 | kergoth | tux_mike_: ! |
| 14:23:50 | kergoth | tux_mike_: :) |
| 14:23:54 | | zfi is http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 14:23:54 | kergoth | ibot zfi |
| 14:24:01 | kergoth | man, i'm lagged |
| 14:24:06 | Datake | wtf is opie? :) |
| 14:24:14 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 14:24:14 | kergoth | ibot opie |
| 14:24:15 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:24:42 | numatrix | Datake: it's like ZSI but it only incorporates existing feeds into it's display. |
| 14:25:17 | smee | is it a know bug that /etc/pcmcia/network.opts can break? |
| 14:25:27 | kergoth | smee: ? |
| 14:25:37 | ljp_work | opie is qtopia's problem child |
| 14:25:53 | Datake | :) |
| 14:26:06 | treke | smee: its known that deletin the file breaks it |
| 14:26:13 | Datake | lol |
| 14:26:19 | kergoth | treke: lol, that was too easy, i was going to say something like that as well |
| 14:26:26 | smee | treke: aah, my bad ;) |
| 14:26:36 | treke | kergoth: hehe |
| 14:26:42 | kergoth | >/etc/pcmcia/network.opts |
| 14:26:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:26:49 | smee | no no, I think there's a parse error { return; } becomes {return'} |
| 14:26:58 | smee | no no, I think there's a parse error { return; } becomes {return;} |
| 14:26:59 | smee | rather |
| 14:27:19 | kergoth | smee: that was a bug in old versions of opie's netsetup, assuming you're on oz |
| 14:27:20 | smee | or am I talking crap |
| 14:27:26 | smee | I am |
| 14:27:32 | kergoth | smee: there ya go. thats fixed |
| 14:27:35 | smee | cool |
| 14:27:46 | kergoth | netsetup is crap anyway, the new one will be nifty |
| 14:27:50 | kergoth | /pester benmeyer :) |
| 14:27:54 | smee | I hear that a lot :) |
| 14:28:17 | kergoth | ../usbd-func.o: file not recognized: File truncated |
| 14:28:18 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 14:28:33 | smee | the new netsetup will handle multiple profiles? |
| 14:28:37 | kergoth | smee: yep |
| 14:28:42 | smee | nifty indeed |
| 14:28:44 | kergoth | smee: it can handle /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:28:49 | tux_mike_ | multiple wlan? |
| 14:28:54 | kergoth | smee: so oz will use interfaces for all of its interfaces now |
| 14:29:17 | kergoth | tux_mike_: multiple wlan? |
| 14:29:24 | tux_mike_ | profiles |
| 14:29:34 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:29:38 | tux_mike_ | sweet |
| 14:29:45 | tux_mike_ | how much longer, need reflash :) |
| 14:29:46 | numatrix | sweet; I was getting really annoyed with forcing dhcp to keep switching when I went to work and home... |
| 14:29:57 | smee | hm, not familiar with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:30:04 | kergoth | tux_mike_: ben meyer says at least another week, last i hear |
| 14:30:05 | kergoth | tux_mike_: d |
| 14:30:19 | kergoth | tux_mike_: he revamped his design for it. its looking good |
| 14:30:24 | tux_mike_ | ah |
| 14:30:29 | kergoth | smee: debian, familiar, and oz' network interface configuration |
| 14:30:49 | kergoth | smee: basically, all our interfaces will be configured through the standard distribution interfaces, instead of through a bunch of weird ones like network.opts and usbdnet.conf |
| 14:31:10 | smee | similar to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts then I guess |
| 14:31:14 | kergoth | exactly |
| 14:31:42 | tux_mike_ | anyone have a copy of the old neocal? |
| 14:31:44 | smee | network.opts et al are from pcmcia-cs iirc |
| 14:31:49 | kergoth | smee: i know |
| 14:31:51 | kergoth | smee: :) |
| 14:31:56 | kergoth | smee: we just make it call ifup/ifdown |
| 14:31:59 | smee | sorry - think aloud ;) |
| 14:32:04 | kergoth | np |
| 14:32:06 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:32:24 | smee | good stuff :) |
| 14:32:26 | treke | smee: thats one better then most people in here |
| 14:32:43 | smee | hehe |
| 14:33:07 | smee | s/think a/being / |
| 14:34:44 | kergoth | damnit |
| 14:34:46 | kergoth | i hate recompiling glibc |
| 14:34:51 | smee | whilst I'm being loud...cardctl eject sometimes hangs with my wlan card...any solutions to be had? |
| 14:34:59 | kergoth | smee: kill dhcpcd |
| 14:35:03 | kergoth | smee: it'll return and be happy |
| 14:35:12 | kergoth | smee: dunno why |
| 14:35:26 | tux_mike_ | kergoth: hey, i have to compile glibc 4 times. and i've had to restart it about 8! :) |
| 14:35:27 | smee | cool - maybe the opie applet (forget its name) should do that too |
| 14:35:44 | kergoth | smee: nah, its a bug |
| 14:35:49 | kergoth | smee: the pcmcia scripts shuld be killing it |
| 14:36:03 | kergoth | smee: i havent nailed it down just yet |
| 14:36:10 | kergoth | smee: if you want to dig into it for me, i'd appreciate it ;0 |
| 14:36:39 | smee | kergoth: thanks for the help... I looked at it once...may revisit it :) |
| 14:37:40 | tux_mike_ | anyone here use redhat 7.3 and have a Pentium II, III or 4? |
| 14:37:56 | smee | opie applet locks up if its system call to cardctl eject doesnt return though...maybe something should be done about that too |
| 14:38:19 | sjohnson | tux_mike_: Yes. What's up? |
| 14:38:27 | kergoth | smee: thats a good point. you may want to open that up as a bug report on opie.info's bug tracker |
| 14:38:34 | smee | s/locks up/locks up opie/ |
| 14:38:42 | smee | kergoth: ok |
| 14:38:49 | tux_mike_ | i'm building glibc 2.2.90 for those arcitetures, if you want a copy, lemme know :) |
| 14:39:02 | ciaolinux | Sniper: update us about the Z: are they still in chicago? |
| 14:39:25 | tux_mike_ | along with gcc 3.2 and everything with mmx, sse, sse2 and proper system optimizations |
| 14:39:27 | sjohnson | tux_mike_: Ah. Well none for now. I don't have time for testing. |
| 14:40:44 | tux_mike_ | it's gonna be fast |
| 14:44:30 | kergoth | god i hate copiling glibc over and over |
| 14:44:36 | kergoth | i need to install ccache at the very least |
| 14:46:39 | chouimat | Sniper: ping |
| 14:46:49 | treke | hmm, that looks handy |
| 14:54:08 | smee | hm...'Mailer Error: SMTP Error: Data not accepted' said http://www.opie.info/bugs/ when I tried submitting |
| 14:54:25 | kergoth | oh fun |
| 14:54:38 | smee | dances |
| 14:55:05 | smee | works now :) |
| 14:55:10 | uncon | is away, school (l!on) : os/bx |
| 14:56:04 | kergoth | yay, glibc is done compiling |
| 15:01:11 | tux_mike_ | no it's not |
| 15:01:15 | tux_mike_ | owww |
| 15:01:21 | tux_mike_ | i hate the angry fruit cocktails |
| 15:02:05 | smee | is it because of your zaurus that you hate the angry fruit cocktails? |
| 15:02:34 | tux_mike_ | no, a user has an agry fruit cocktail as his color scheme |
| 15:03:10 | smee | ah, my psychoanalysis was for naught |
| 15:04:31 | tux_mike_ | quite |
| 15:05:35 | smee | tell me about quite |
| 15:05:38 | smee | sorry I shut up |
| 15:05:52 | benmeyer | someoen is pestering me? |
| 15:06:06 | smee | for your net applet skills |
| 15:06:32 | smee | netsetup rather |
| 15:06:50 | benmeyer | ah |
| 15:07:02 | chouimat | eeech! Nortel is below 1$ |
| 15:07:49 | tux_mike_ | huh? |
| 15:07:54 | tux_mike_ | oh, stock |
| 15:08:07 | tux_mike_ | sugar quote wcome |
| 15:08:07 | Sugar | tux_mike_: Invalid ticker symbol WCOME. |
| 15:08:28 | chouimat | tux_mike_: was 124$ some years ago |
| 15:09:23 | tux_mike_ | wow. i'm so glad i didn't buy it then :) |
| 15:09:59 | | benmeyer: what? |
| 15:09:59 | benmeyer | ibot handtest |
| 15:10:01 | chouimat | tux_mike_: now it's time to buy :) |
| 15:10:33 | imm | benmeyer: shoul i pester you a bit ? |
| 15:10:36 | tux_mike_ | not if they go under |
| 15:13:12 | chouimat | imm: let the sharpies alone they have work to do |
| 15:13:25 | chouimat | ok now I'm safe |
| 15:15:43 | benmeyer | imm: sure, what shale we pester on? |
| 15:17:11 | chouimat | benmeyer: where are the zaurus? |
| 15:17:25 | NeoTron | Interstellar Flames is posted on Handango (but my site isn't updated yet) |
| 15:18:20 | levi | Ooh, that looks cool. |
| 15:19:17 | chouimat | NeoTron: how much? |
| 15:19:34 | NeoTron | $6.99 |
| 15:20:34 | imm | chouimat: im fucked, i nead a toy :) |
| 15:20:44 | BigBoss | yo |
| 15:21:12 | tux_mike_ | neo: not bad :) |
| 15:21:17 | chouimat | imm: go see your girlfriend :-D |
| 15:21:20 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 15:22:24 | BigBoss | anything interesting going on? |
| 15:22:29 | imm | chouimat: ok |
| 15:22:37 | imm | BigBoss: nope |
| 15:22:47 | levi | downloads demo eagerly, then remembers he has no way to get it on the Z here. |
| 15:22:53 | chouimat | BigBoss: some cute chicks outside my office windows |
| 15:23:41 | imm | chouimat: lucky guy |
| 15:23:50 | imm | chouimat: here i only see the rain |
| 15:24:01 | extremis | kergoth |
| 15:24:03 | kergoth | sits in his cubicle without windows and glares at chouimat |
| 15:24:03 | extremis | new release is taking forever :) |
| 15:24:07 | kergoth | extremis: yes, it is :) |
| 15:24:14 | extremis | why might I ask? |
| 15:24:25 | kergoth | rewrote the buildsystem used to build oz from source |
| 15:24:26 | chouimat | kergoth: I work @ home |
| 15:24:30 | BigBoss | it's been about 100 degrees here lately |
| 15:24:37 | kergoth | it has taken time to convert the packages to the new system |
| 15:24:41 | kergoth | everything is about done now though |
| 15:24:47 | kergoth | except for pppd |
| 15:25:15 | extremis | gimme |
| 15:25:24 | extremis | I'm goign into a meeting and I want to play with something |
| 15:25:39 | chouimat | BigBoss: it's currently 12 C here |
| 15:25:51 | BigBoss | that's cold |
| 15:26:32 | chouimat | BigBoss: wait in january :) |
| 15:27:18 | extremis | kergoth: no? |
| 15:28:20 | chouimat | BigBoss: that will be something like -25 C <- that's cold |
| 15:29:02 | kergoth | extremis: i did a make mrproper... to sanity check the build process.. so i dont have an initrd.bin until it finishes compiling everything. |
| 15:29:12 | extremis | hehe, ok |
| 15:29:17 | extremis | meeting time |
| 15:33:17 | W|GGL|T | wonders if using nfs to view movies on the Z is a good or bad idea |
| 15:33:27 | W|GGL|T | works for mp3s, just haven't tried movies |
| 15:33:51 | chouimat | W|GGL|T: try it |
| 15:34:28 | smee | yeah...I'm surprised I havent tried that yet |
| 15:34:36 | W|GGL|T | doing it now |
| 15:35:02 | kergoth | god ftp.trolltech.com is slow |
| 15:35:09 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 15:35:14 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 15:35:21 | kergoth | how are ya? |
| 15:35:32 | Cloudchaser | not too bad, thanks. and yourself? |
| 15:35:41 | BigBoss | hey CC |
| 15:35:48 | kergoth | not bad at all |
| 15:36:20 | Cloudchaser | hi BigBoss |
| 15:36:25 | Cloudchaser | glad to hear that kergoth ;) |
| 15:37:09 | chouimat | kergoth: 55KB/s here |
| 15:37:33 | kergoth | 45 here |
| 15:37:42 | kergoth | could be worse, but i'm impatient |
| 15:37:42 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:39:03 | tux_mike_ | grumbles loudly |
| 15:39:49 | tux_mike_ | looks like i may just have to restart glibc /again/ |
| 15:40:02 | tux_mike_ | i forgot to disable the math testing facilities |
| 15:40:58 | BigBoss | tkcOggRipper for linux and windows is now available for free download |
| 15:41:06 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/projects/tkcoggripper |
| 15:41:20 | kergoth | BigBoss: nice |
| 15:42:38 | tux_mike_ | schweet :) |
| 15:43:07 | W|GGL|T | it worked! |
| 15:43:13 | W|GGL|T | just a tad bit jerky |
| 15:43:42 | kergoth | hey [DrEvil] |
| 15:43:50 | Cloudchaser | hiya W|GGL|T |
| 15:43:55 | Cloudchaser | what worked? |
| 15:43:56 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser! |
| 15:43:56 | [DrEvil] | hi kergoth |
| 15:44:05 | [DrEvil] | there are all kinds of errors |
| 15:44:11 | [DrEvil] | but ipkg-x86 builds |
| 15:44:20 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser: tried viewing a short movie from my nfs server via wireless |
| 15:44:28 | Cloudchaser | ah great |
| 15:44:39 | Cloudchaser | wireless is kinda slow transfer i thihnk |
| 15:45:05 | W|GGL|T | yeah...saw some jerkiness |
| 15:46:16 | Cloudchaser | i tried it over samba once |
| 15:46:18 | Cloudchaser | same thing |
| 15:46:48 | W|GGL|T | it bet doing that with 802.11a is NICE! |
| 15:48:22 | hardwire | poot smock |
| 15:49:24 | chouimat | BigBoss: which version of tkcOgEncoder is compiled with gcc 3.2? |
| 15:52:45 | BigBoss | chouimat: huh? |
| 15:53:02 | BigBoss | there is no such thing as tkcOgEncoder - you mean ripper? |
| 15:53:18 | BigBoss | none of them are built with gcc 3.2 since it's not really even done |
| 15:53:32 | BigBoss | but we'll make packages for the new distros that are using 3.2 when those come out in the next weeks |
| 15:53:57 | tux_mike_ | i wonder when redhat is releasing 8 |
| 15:54:03 | BigBoss | any day now |
| 15:54:11 | tux_mike_ | sweet |
| 15:55:15 | tux_mike_ | and i have glibc 2.2.90 building with advanced processor functions |
| 15:55:28 | BigBoss | i'm afraid of RH 8 based on the betas |
| 15:55:39 | tux_mike_ | how so? |
| 15:56:02 | BigBoss | from what I understand from the gcc developers, who are almost all employed by RH, is that 3.2 isn't done but RH made them rush it out to fit the version 8 release schedule |
| 15:56:49 | BigBoss | and then their is the gnomified KDE or the KDE'ified gnome - whatever you want to call it |
| 15:57:11 | tux_mike_ | i'm stripping all that crap out, and building kde3.1 cvs |
| 15:57:35 | BigBoss | good idea |
| 15:57:56 | BigBoss | gnome got it right though, instead of bitching and moaning, they came up with some script or app that put's it all back to normal |
| 15:57:58 | tux_mike_ | and compiling it with -mmmx -msse -march=pentium3 |
| 15:58:04 | BigBoss | the KDE folks just complain and don't do anything |
| 15:58:14 | chouimat | BigBoss: I'm using gentoo linux 1.4_rc1 :) |
| 15:58:16 | BigBoss | I love KDE, but they are getting tiring to deal with |
| 15:58:25 | BigBoss | i like gentoo |
| 15:58:28 | tux_mike_ | yah, true. |
| 15:58:35 | BigBoss | no possible way to make packages for it, but I like it |
| 15:59:22 | chouimat | BigBoss: emerge --buildpkg |
| 16:00:02 | ljp_work | I think gentoo does have binary package support.. |
| 16:00:17 | BigBoss | no, I mean I can't make a binary package for it that will work correctly because everyone has compiled god knows what on their system |
| 16:00:18 | tux_mike_ | i don't like the BSD init. |
| 16:00:23 | ljp_work | you can get opera through emerge |
| 16:00:59 | chouimat | BigBoss: ok, just make a generic i586 statically linked |
| 16:01:00 | BigBoss | it would surprise me if it worked unless it's a very large statically built app |
| 16:01:08 | BigBoss | we have one already |
| 16:01:31 | chouimat | BigBoss: where? |
| 16:03:12 | BigBoss | in the download directory, it's the file that has no extension on it |
| 16:04:22 | ljp_work | then you'd have to write an emerge package |
| 16:04:25 | chouimat | BigBoss: thnaks |
| 16:04:49 | tux_mike_ | that's a big static package |
| 16:05:10 | tux_mike_ | how come the suse packkages are so much bigger? |
| 16:06:51 | ljp_work | cause Suse has more muscles |
| 16:07:11 | tux_mike_ | bah |
| 16:07:48 | tux_mike_ | 0ooof... so full |
| 16:10:35 | BigBoss | don't know, I always find it interesting the different sizes each distro produces |
| 16:19:53 | Neo|Away | is back. |
| 16:26:43 | tux_mike_ | grumble grumble grumble... |
| 16:27:07 | chouimat | tux_mike_: ? |
| 16:27:29 | tux_mike_ | had to restart the P3 build of glibc /again/ |
| 16:29:24 | Neo|Work | uploads the CORRECT Interstellar Flames packages to Handango.. |
| 16:32:30 | tux_mike_ | anyone buy the incorrect version? |
| 16:33:58 | Neo|Work | yeah. |
| 16:34:03 | Neo|Work | I just sent a mail |
| 16:34:07 | Neo|Work | I uploaded the ipk, not the zip |
| 16:34:13 | Neo|Work | the zip has eon-libsdl, eonconfig etc |
| 16:35:06 | tux_mike_ | ah |
| 16:35:19 | tux_mike_ | Micorosofts Steve Ballmer is spouting off again in this ZDNet UK article. To an audience of Most Valued Professionals in London, he says 'We'll outsmart open source.' - it is to laugh. :) |
| 16:37:07 | kergoth | tux_mike_: amusing |
| 16:38:35 | tux_mike_ | literally drools at the tour of nvidia's network and server equipment |
| 16:41:07 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 16:41:22 | tux_mike_ | hullo |
| 16:41:35 | Harlekin | hey tux_mike_ |
| 16:42:32 | hyabusa | good afternoon all |
| 16:45:47 | hyabusa | for gps do i need a cf unit or will a serial handheld/hack work |
| 16:45:57 | MSpin | does anyone know what is different about the WCF12 (the thin 802.11b card) from Linksys? |
| 16:46:17 | Lone | Its thinner? |
| 16:46:32 | kergoth | MSpin: is the 12 prism2 or prism2.5? |
| 16:46:52 | MSpin | kergoth: no clue, but it doesn't work with wlanmon on the sharp ROM |
| 16:47:53 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:47:54 | kergoth | odd |
| 16:48:18 | MSpin | yeah, I guess I'll have to send him a version that spews debug info |
| 16:51:40 | Twiun | tux_mike_: Hey, did you get NWN going in the end? |
| 16:52:15 | MSpin | mmm...NWN |
| 16:56:03 | [DrEvil] | I am going to jettison Opera to make room for all of Bluez |
| 16:56:12 | [DrEvil] | and then install it from an ipk |
| 16:57:46 | [DrEvil] | bah |
| 16:57:51 | [DrEvil] | nVidia uses too many sun boxes |
| 16:58:09 | [DrEvil] | they should just get a few RS/6000 SP/2 |
| 16:58:25 | chouimat|food | ciaolinux: got any news about the z? |
| 16:58:35 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: for VLSI design? |
| 16:58:44 | [DrEvil] | Intel uses them |
| 16:59:36 | chouimat|food | Sniper: ping |
| 17:00:19 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: interesting... |
| 17:01:57 | Sniper | sorry poing |
| 17:01:57 | Sniper | pong |
| 17:02:13 | Sniper | chouimat: im still waiting to get the Zs from the warehouse so i can send out |
| 17:02:19 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:02:23 | numatrix | Sniper: this week look possible? |
| 17:02:23 | [DrEvil] | goes to fork EvilROM |
| 17:02:26 | chouimat|food | Sniper: :( |
| 17:02:31 | Sniper | numatrix: I HOPE so - |
| 17:02:37 | numatrix | Sniper: Don't we all. :-) |
| 17:02:45 | Sniper | i promise you that once i get them from the warehouse - ill get them out the door within 48 hrs |
| 17:02:48 | chouimat|food | numatrix: hehe |
| 17:02:55 | Sniper | i can put yours to the top of the queue for a small fee.. hehe |
| 17:03:11 | chouimat|food | Sniper: UPS? |
| 17:03:25 | Sniper | chouimat: yes UPS |
| 17:03:30 | numatrix | Sniper: Nah, I've waited this long, I can be patient enough... Unless you want an early beta of a nintendo emulator to test? ;-) |
| 17:03:41 | Sniper | numatrix: i was just kidding about the fee- |
| 17:03:43 | numatrix | quietly slides a bribe across the table... |
| 17:03:48 | numatrix | Sniper: I know. :-) |
| 17:03:48 | darienm | recalls while playing Munchkin... "In exchange for all 4 treasures, I will refrain from backstabbing you while you battle the level 20 dragon" |
| 17:04:03 | Sniper | numatrix: I will do my best to get them all out the door in one day - i asked ben to help me box them |
| 17:04:08 | Sniper | darienm: you received your Z , right? |
| 17:04:14 | darienm | Sniper: NO !!!!! |
| 17:04:26 | darienm | Sniper: a tracking number would be nice |
| 17:04:29 | Sniper | darienm: WHOOPS .. doh - to date we've shipped 30 of them |
| 17:04:32 | chouimat|food | Sniper: overnight service ? |
| 17:04:40 | numatrix | Sniper: btw; did you get my email after Ben's approval where I asked you to ship it to my work address? It was a while back, I can resend it if you need... |
| 17:04:43 | darienm | Sniper: doh - to date I've not heard or seen ANYTHING |
| 17:05:04 | Sniper | darien: ahh i see you ont he queue - you're #11 |
| 17:05:23 | darienm | Sniper: That's #11 AFTER the 30 that already went out, I assume? |
| 17:05:32 | Sniper | yes |
| 17:05:40 | chouimat|food | Sniper: i'm number #456696? |
| 17:05:50 | darienm | chouimat|food: and one-half |
| 17:06:15 | Sniper | chouimat: well the day i get them.. i'll let everyone know and you can then tell me your name and i'll escate you |
| 17:06:18 | darienm | Hrm... everyone else in my office left for lunch... Should I crack open a beer? |
| 17:06:27 | Sniper | i'll join #zaurus and find out who's there |
| 17:06:39 | numatrix | darienm: Only if you work in a place where the ordor will long have wafted away by the time they return. |
| 17:06:45 | darienm | Sniper: How about you just publish that list of yours where we can check it. |
| 17:06:53 | darienm | Sniper: And as they ship out, put a tracking number on the list ! |
| 17:07:01 | Sniper | darien: YOu're asking a lot aren't you.. |
| 17:07:05 | darienm | numatrix: I'm the boss :) |
| 17:07:08 | [DrEvil] | well damn it all |
| 17:07:13 | Sniper | darien: im just one guy to pack 68 more boxes |
| 17:07:14 | [DrEvil] | operacreator doesn't work |
| 17:07:15 | numatrix | darienm: Hmm, yeah, crack one. :-) |
| 17:07:22 | darienm | Sniper: I'm not asking any more than "Hey all you programmers, write us some cool programs" |
| 17:07:25 | numatrix | [DrEvil]: No, it doesn't. It never has. I've been saying that for a while. |
| 17:07:33 | numatrix | [DrEvil]: or rather, it works, but when installed, opera segfaults. |
| 17:07:33 | anseror|away | Sniper: shouldn't you guys hire some minimum wage intern to do that stuff? |
| 17:07:41 | hyabusa | does anyone know anything about gps on the z? |
| 17:07:48 | [DrEvil] | it didn't copy any files |
| 17:07:48 | fusion94 | you guys really crack me up |
| 17:07:52 | [DrEvil] | just empty dirs |
| 17:07:55 | numatrix | hyabusa: Besides that it's been done? Nope. |
| 17:08:04 | Sniper | we have no budget for anything.. they didnt even want to do the developer challenge.. its cheaper for us to not do it.. because we had to buy out the 5000Ds in the warehouse |
| 17:08:21 | numatrix | [DrEvil]: Hmm, that's a new one. I wouldn't bother with it. Even if you get the ipk made, opera still segfaults; there's something not quite right about it. |
| 17:08:27 | Neo|Work | If you haven't already, I suggest you all try the Phoenix browser - part of the mozilla project, it's absolutely speedy! |
| 17:08:28 | hyabusa | yeah i got the stuff from zauruszone but i was wondering if a handheld gps and a serial cable hack would be possible |
| 17:08:34 | darienm | Sniper: If you want to appease 95% of the folks who are still owed a Zaurus, publish the list so AT THE MINIMUM people can see they are ON THE LIST. Some folks still don't even know if they are receiving a Z. |
| 17:08:46 | fusion94 | bah |
| 17:08:51 | fusion94 | dude... |
| 17:08:56 | chouimat|food | darienm: good idea |
| 17:08:58 | Sniper | Do you think people will mind having their names published? |
| 17:09:03 | fusion94 | I'm doing work for sharp and i had to buy my zaurus |
| 17:09:09 | darienm | Sniper: Nobody here will mind firstname, lastname |
| 17:09:11 | fusion94 | so relax |
| 17:09:11 | Sniper | i can do that.. but some people might get upset |
| 17:09:30 | darienm | Sniper: Last name first initial |
| 17:09:34 | numatrix | fusion94: What are you doing for sharp? |
| 17:09:46 | darienm | Sniper: Or even the program name they were developing. |
| 17:09:49 | Sniper | darien: ok - for you i'll publish the names.. |
| 17:09:50 | darienm | Sniper: and initials |
| 17:09:57 | numatrix | darienm: I think last name first initial is reasonable, I'm not a fan of the other ideas. People do not like to have their personal information posted without their knowledge sometimes... |
| 17:10:02 | fusion94 | numatrix: that i cant tell you yet.... |
| 17:10:18 | darienm | numatrix: Program name and initials is by far the absolute safest... |
| 17:10:29 | treke | darienm: why not just program name? |
| 17:10:29 | Sniper | darien: i have to go through 108 names and chop off first name |
| 17:10:37 | [DrEvil] | any luck with the jeode creator? |
| 17:10:42 | darienm | Sniper: That's what, a 30 character perl script? |
| 17:10:57 | Sniper | darien: right the script for me |
| 17:11:07 | chouimat|food | darienm: awk |
| 17:11:15 | darienm | $firstname = substr($firstname,0,1); |
| 17:11:22 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 17:11:28 | [DrEvil] | it doesn't work either |
| 17:11:41 | hyabusa | i got the jeod creator to work |
| 17:11:46 | hyabusa | makes an ipk called jeod |
| 17:12:05 | darienm | treke: Because some people were working on very very similar programs. |
| 17:12:07 | [DrEvil] | but there is nothing in it |
| 17:12:24 | hyabusa | in which the jeod ipk or jeodcreator |
| 17:12:31 | numatrix | [DrEvil]: all work except opera. Jeode does require a little tweaking, iirc. Which sharp rom are you using? |
| 17:12:33 | [DrEvil] | in the jeod ipk |
| 17:12:36 | treke | darienm: no reason to publish peoples name without their permission |
| 17:12:46 | [DrEvil] | i am trying to get the stuff from 2.38 |
| 17:12:56 | hyabusa | if done in the command line it worked for me |
| 17:13:00 | chouimat|food | Sniper: and mail the list |
| 17:13:26 | darienm | treke: program name and initials.... |
| 17:13:42 | darienm | treke: would prevent ANY confusion |
| 17:13:58 | treke | darienm: why give any name for the programmer whatsover? Whos going to be confused? |
| 17:14:04 | Sniper | so you guys dont want me to publish?! |
| 17:14:15 | chouimat|food | darienm: program name and last name and first name initial |
| 17:14:19 | darienm | treke: I'm not sure all programs were 'named' |
| 17:14:41 | hyabusa | who is really going to look at the list but those involved. i have nothing to do with the programs and thereby have no interest in who gets a free zaurus |
| 17:14:42 | darienm | Sniper: We absolutely DO want the list, just discussing details. |
| 17:14:53 | hyabusa | so why not put the names and initial |
| 17:15:08 | fusion94 | darienm: are you on the list ? |
| 17:15:14 | numatrix | fusion94: yes. |
| 17:15:26 | numatrix | fusion94: He's #11, as Sniper mentioned a few minutes ago. |
| 17:15:27 | darienm | treke: As part of the challenge, programmers said they would release the software. Do you think they would do it anonymously? |
| 17:15:31 | darienm | fusion94: yes, I'm on the list. |
| 17:15:33 | fusion94 | good, now you know, move along, nothing to see |
| 17:15:46 | darienm | fusion94: imm, and others ask all the time.... |
| 17:15:46 | numatrix | fusion94: It is reasonable what he's trying to do. |
| 17:15:47 | Sniper | :-) |
| 17:15:59 | numatrix | fusion94: A number of other people don't know and haven't even heard back on any responses. This way they at least know. |
| 17:15:59 | Sniper | If others want to know - they can email me.. how's that? |
| 17:16:06 | darienm | fusion94: Lots of folks come in here when Sniper is not available |
| 17:16:16 | fusion94 | quite honestly |
| 17:16:20 | fusion94 | if my name was on the list |
| 17:16:31 | fusion94 | and someone else published it w/o my permission |
| 17:16:34 | fusion94 | i'd be pissed |
| 17:16:52 | Sniper | actually come to think of it - i might get in trouble because it could go against our privacy |
| 17:17:00 | numatrix | fusion94: He's not asking for people's full names, I think initials is very reasonable. |
| 17:17:04 | darienm | Sniper: Program name, and initials? |
| 17:17:45 | numatrix | Sniper: I don't know that anyone could argue privacy invasion by releasing two letters. |
| 17:17:49 | fusion94 | i disagree |
| 17:18:05 | fusion94 | sure they could |
| 17:18:13 | Sniper | actually some of the apps are competing against each other |
| 17:18:27 | anseror | I think if someone didn't want their name released they wouldn't have put it on their app |
| 17:18:28 | fusion94 | take the loadrunner app |
| 17:18:36 | fusion94 | thekompany one and the gpl one |
| 17:18:41 | fusion94 | written by the same guy |
| 17:18:48 | Sniper | loadruner was also done for the dev challenge |
| 17:19:02 | numatrix | fusion94: Right, so what's the problem? Different programs... |
| 17:19:05 | fusion94 | maybe he didn't intend for his name/or initials to be on the gpl version to prevent issues with tkc |
| 17:19:15 | treke | numatrix: What is the purpose of the initials if not to identify the author? |
| 17:19:17 | fusion94 | numatrix: it could cause issues with his employer |
| 17:19:20 | fusion94 | period |
| 17:19:32 | Sniper | i guess i'll do this - i'll sit in the IRC channel for the next few days - if anyone wants to know if they were approved, have them send me a msg |
| 17:19:37 | numatrix | fusion94: BB knows he ported it. That's what he got the idea for the commercial app for. |
| 17:19:59 | numatrix | Sniper: That would be useful; the main reason darienm is asking is because he (and I have as well) seen so many people wanting to know and not being able to find out. |
| 17:20:01 | treke | numatrix: And if it can be used to identify the author, then they should get permission to publish the list. If they cant, then its meaningless information |
| 17:20:03 | anseror | Sniper: what if you were approved and are just waiting for the Z? |
| 17:20:20 | Sniper | anseror: you should have been sent ane mail |
| 17:20:32 | numatrix | treke: Two letters do not identify the author to anyone except the author who knows whether or not they sent the app. Just an idea. |
| 17:20:41 | Sniper | anseror: it would have said 'Congrats' |
| 17:20:47 | fusion94 | numatrix: yeah but can you say that about every app in the contest ?? no you can't...cause you don't know |
| 17:20:54 | anseror | Sniper: i was sent an email way back when i submitted, and was told by benmeyer i'm getting one, but then never got any of the update emails |
| 17:21:00 | treke | numatrix: so why put the name on the list? Just send the author an email saying their app ws received |
| 17:21:02 | Sniper | what's your name |
| 17:21:04 | Sniper | send me a msg |
| 17:21:06 | Neo|Work | just publish a list of apps |
| 17:21:08 | treke | er put their initials |
| 17:21:09 | Neo|Work | and no names |
| 17:21:12 | Neo|Work | then there is no problem |
| 17:21:23 | Neo|Work | because "we" want to know too. :) |
| 17:22:07 | benmeyer | weeh |
| 17:22:08 | chouimat|food | better the apps name and the author City |
| 17:22:11 | | BIgBoss was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 11 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: don't know, I always find it interesting the different sizes each distro produces [Tue Sep 24 17:10:35 2002] |
| 17:22:11 | benmeyer | ibot seen BIgBoss |
| 17:22:33 | benmeyer | tckVideo can't handle streaming lotr |
| 17:22:36 | benmeyer | :-( |
| 17:22:41 | Neo|Work | chouimat|food: if you think about it, the author city is rather uninteresting |
| 17:22:49 | Neo|Work | rather see app and short description than that |
| 17:22:57 | benmeyer | runs out of memory after about 5 minutes of jumping around the movie |
| 17:23:12 | chouimat|food | Neo|Work: yes i know but it's not privacy invasion |
| 17:23:27 | Neo|Work | it adds no useful information to anyone however |
| 17:23:31 | treke | chouimat|food: neither is authors favorite color, its still useless information |
| 17:23:38 | Twiun | Neo|Work: are dirty-rectangles used in sdl, or is there another method used? |
| 17:23:47 | numatrix | Sniper: Ok, I got it, let's put the First two letters of the program's name, the middle initial of the author, and then the 6th digit of their phone number. That should be good. :-) |
| 17:24:20 | Neo|Work | Twiun: on Qtopia? They are used if the application writer uses them |
| 17:24:25 | Neo|Work | i.e it supports them |
| 17:24:31 | Twiun | right |
| 17:24:31 | chouimat|food | numatrix: zn 6? |
| 17:24:38 | anseror | numatrix: oh, but then people could guess at the other 9 digits of their number and call them, we can't have that. ;-) |
| 17:24:40 | fusion94 | lets just encrypt the list then publish it... |
| 17:24:49 | mparrish | Just email each author with their position in the queue. |
| 17:24:56 | Twiun | Neo|Work: I'm asking because I'm thinking of implementing them in my java fb driver... |
| 17:25:05 | treke | lets just not send any list and be done with it |
| 17:25:12 | Twiun | Neo|Work: lets see if I can get more than 9fps and 600tris/s |
| 17:25:14 | anseror | how about we do an md5 hash of the app name concatenated with the programmer name |
| 17:25:22 | Twiun | Neo|Work: erm... that's 900triz/s |
| 17:25:23 | Neo|Work | Twiun: 9 fps? damn, that's slow |
| 17:25:35 | Neo|Work | even no dirty rects get like 50+ fps no problem |
| 17:25:40 | Twiun | Neo|Work: using Canvas and the built in java stuff I get 1fps... |
| 17:26:05 | Twiun | Neo|Work: this is pure pixel pushing: points/ rects/tris/circles/lines |
| 17:26:14 | numatrix | chouimat|food: Something like that. :-) |
| 17:26:24 | darienm | I got it! A web application where the author of a challenge entry puts in their OWN name, and gets back their queue position and (if any) the tracking number for their package ! :) |
| 17:26:36 | darienm | j/k |
| 17:26:44 | darienm | I'm done with this discussion.. |
| 17:27:11 | Neo|Work | Twiun: that's just scary slow. :) |
| 17:27:29 | chouimat|food | darienm: :) |
| 17:27:36 | mparrish | If I wrote an app and won a zaurus, I'd want name recognition. |
| 17:27:41 | mparrish | Unless it was a crappy app. |
| 17:27:54 | Sniper | I'll just sit on the channel and people can ask me |
| 17:27:55 | Sniper | ok? |
| 17:28:06 | Neo|Work | mparrish: well, at some point I hope they will publish |
| 17:28:09 | Twiun | Neo|Work: no kidding... with 9fps though, at least it because usable, not playable yet though... with dirty rects, how much of a speed up could I get? |
| 17:28:18 | Sniper | AND i'll give the list to Ben so he can check too |
| 17:28:20 | Sniper | ok? |
| 17:28:31 | Sniper | ben is always on |
| 17:28:32 | Neo|Work | because Trolltech fscked up by 1) not publishing all entries, 2) not publishing ANY scores |
| 17:29:48 | chouimat|food | Sniper: I'm which number? |
| 17:29:53 | | well, feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 17:29:53 | anseror | ibot feed |
| 17:31:26 | Sniper | hey guys.. im putting together the next developer newsletter - any of you have any insights or thoughts you'd like to write? |
| 17:32:40 | Twiun | listens as everyone goes suddently quiet... |
| 17:33:14 | mparrish | What kind of apps still need to be written for Z? |
| 17:33:24 | Sniper | mparrish: better email client |
| 17:34:04 | mparrish | what's wrong with the ones that exist? |
| 17:34:13 | Sniper | mparrish: its not that good.. |
| 17:34:16 | Twiun | mparrish: applet launcher... the commandline isn't really suitable |
| 17:34:44 | oGMo | mparrish: more RPGs |
| 17:34:49 | oGMo | ;) |
| 17:34:59 | Neo|Work | oGMo: I have one RPG coming up |
| 17:35:06 | oGMo | Neo|Work: woot! |
| 17:35:16 | Neo|Work | like Bards Tale like in interface |
| 17:35:20 | Twiun | Neo|Work: finally got NWN shrunk down to the Z's screen? |
| 17:35:35 | chouimat|food | Sniper: got an onboard diagnostic 2 compatible app comming up |
| 17:35:56 | Sniper | chouimat: not yet |
| 17:35:59 | Neo|Work | Twiun: hahaha. :) |
| 17:36:02 | Neo|Work | yeah. right. |
| 17:36:04 | darienm | Sniper: What's the deadline for submission of an article for the newsletter? (And what's the target word count?) |
| 17:36:10 | Twiun | Yeah, I know |
| 17:36:14 | Neo|Work | but that said, one could make an RPG using the IF engine. :) |
| 17:36:15 | chouimat|food | Sniper: I'm writing one currently |
| 17:36:22 | Neo|Work | if one wanted to |
| 17:36:34 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: fathammer |
| 17:36:39 | Sniper | darienm: this Friday - 2-3 parapgraphs.. and then can link to full article/website |
| 17:37:15 | benmeyer | Khe kells kea khells by the keakhore. |
| 17:37:16 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:37:56 | mparrish | Does anyone have some kind of voice command working on the Z? |
| 17:38:38 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: have you looked at the IF engine? it's pretty good |
| 17:38:44 | Sniper | darien: i can send you some samples newsletters so you can see what they're like |
| 17:38:45 | Neo|Work | plus it actually has a game using it. :)) |
| 17:38:49 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: it has textures |
| 17:38:57 | Neo|Work | yes, I know |
| 17:39:00 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: they license it? |
| 17:39:09 | Neo|Work | No, the IF engine is its own |
| 17:39:18 | Neo|Work | and if you didn't get me, IF does have textured 3D |
| 17:39:23 | Harlekin | i ment hte license it to other |
| 17:39:23 | Neo|Work | and he's working on lighting too |
| 17:39:25 | darienm | Sniper: I have the July 29 one here. |
| 17:39:30 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #openzaurus 1 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: so I'm gonna try to change the package to add that and see how it behaves [Tue Sep 24 18:38:21 2002] |
| 17:39:30 | cranch | ibot: seen Onyx4 |
| 17:39:30 | chouimat|food | Sniper: paper or email the newsletter? |
| 17:39:31 | darienm | Sniper: I believe it was the latest? |
| 17:39:32 | Neo|Work | oh, maybe |
| 17:39:33 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: yeah, and fathammer has not afaik |
| 17:39:38 | cranch | Onyx: any luck on the new OZ stuff? |
| 17:39:42 | Neo|Work | he sure doesn't have a licensing plan at this point |
| 17:39:45 | Onyx4 | it's coming along slowly |
| 17:39:50 | Neo|Work | but I might use it for future games |
| 17:39:51 | Neo|Work | perhaps |
| 17:40:26 | Onyx4 | I updated my oz 2.9.5.5 manually to it and found a few minor bugs |
| 17:40:34 | Onyx4 | so people will at least be able to upgrade pretty soon |
| 17:40:52 | Onyx4 | the images should boot once kergoth has time to hoook up the console+debug and see what's going on |
| 17:41:05 | Onyx4 | once we fix pcmcia+hotplug it should be ready |
| 17:41:09 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: btw, did ncurses upgrade smoothly? |
| 17:41:18 | Harlekin | Onyx4: tried optimised CFLAGS yet? |
| 17:41:18 | Onyx4 | seems like it did |
| 17:41:25 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: the ncurses->(libncurses5 & ncurses-base) thing |
| 17:41:27 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: okay, good |
| 17:41:41 | Sniper | brb |
| 17:41:42 | Harlekin | and anybody an idea why the ebeddix toolchain is 2.95.2 gcc? |
| 17:41:43 | Onyx4 | well I had to manually select libncurses5 and ncurses_base tough |
| 17:41:43 | kergoth`food | Harlekin: currently only a couple things are optimized for armv4l, i'll add that shortly |
| 17:41:51 | kergoth`food | Harlekin: no idea.. i dont use that toolchain myself |
| 17:41:54 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: hrm |
| 17:41:58 | Harlekin | kergoth`food: which do you use? |
| 17:42:04 | Onyx4 | kergoth`food: but I think my packages file was not correct, I had the -1 version in the same directory |
| 17:42:12 | Onyx4 | kergoth`food: so it could have been just me |
| 17:42:16 | kergoth`food | Onyx4: hmm k |
| 17:42:20 | Onyx4 | kergoth`food: we'll need to try again |
| 17:42:31 | kergoth`food | Harlekin: for now, the 2.95.3 arm toolchain from erikm off ftp.armlinux.org |
| 17:42:36 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 17:42:41 | Harlekin | no 2.95.4 yet? |
| 17:42:45 | kergoth`food | Harlekin: i need to build 3.2 and 2.95.4 toolchains |
| 17:42:52 | kergoth`food | Harlekin: unless you know of prebuilt ones? |
| 17:43:08 | Harlekin | could help c++ togehter with new binutils and glibc 2.2.5 |
| 17:43:10 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I compiled busybox with full optimizations :) |
| 17:43:13 | Harlekin | a bit at least |
| 17:43:24 | Harlekin | Onyx4: hey, that piece that does not need ti |
| 17:43:26 | Harlekin | it |
| 17:43:39 | Onyx4 | I'm tempted to try it on opie |
| 17:43:44 | Onyx4 | and libqte |
| 17:43:45 | Harlekin | do it |
| 17:43:54 | kergoth`food | Harlekin: do you know of a prebuilt toolchain? or did you use debiann's toolchain builder? |
| 17:43:55 | Harlekin | but use gcc2.95.4 |
| 17:43:56 | numatrix | treke: ping |
| 17:44:04 | kergoth`food | Harlekin: i need 3.2 and 2.95.4 :) |
| 17:44:05 | Harlekin | kergoth`food: i still use embeddix |
| 17:44:08 | kergoth`food | Harlekin: ah |
| 17:44:12 | Onyx4 | I have gcc 2.95.3 |
| 17:44:16 | Harlekin | kergoth`food: 3.2 i will use via autobuilder |
| 17:44:18 | Harlekin | not local |
| 17:44:41 | levi | MSpin: I accidentally got the WCF12 instead of the 11. I haven't been able to get it to work either. |
| 17:45:48 | Onyx4 | levi I think you need to add it to the /etc/pcmcia/prism2* to see it |
| 17:45:56 | Onyx4 | look at cardctl ident |
| 17:46:04 | Onyx4 | and see if it's listed there already in that file |
| 17:46:19 | Onyx4 | we added WFC12 in OZ |
| 17:46:28 | Onyx4 | WCF12 eh |
| 17:46:43 | MSpin | levi: how doesn't it work? the Z doesn't see it? |
| 17:46:46 | codemnky | T1 can do 1000 Kbit/SEC is that right? |
| 17:47:03 | Onyx4 | t1=1.5mbit/s 1500kbit/s |
| 17:47:32 | levi | Onyx4: Hmm... could you elaborate? |
| 17:47:37 | levi | MSpin: Right. |
| 17:47:46 | codemnky | thx |
| 17:47:58 | Onyx4 | levi well you running the sharp rom? |
| 17:48:04 | levi | Onyx4: Yeah. |
| 17:48:08 | Onyx4 | go into terminal type "cardctl ident" |
| 17:48:48 | levi | OK... |
| 17:48:56 | Onyx4 | what's the output |
| 17:49:09 | levi | Don't have the card with me right now. |
| 17:49:20 | levi | And I don't remember exactly what it says. |
| 17:49:39 | Onyx4 | oh well check the output and compare with /etc/pcmcia/prism2.conf or some of the files in /etc/pcmcia for that card name |
| 17:49:53 | | Onyx4: huh? |
| 17:49:53 | Onyx4 | ibot: wcf12 |
| 17:50:03 | | wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 17:50:03 | Onyx4 | ibot: wireless |
| 17:50:22 | Mantus | just dont get the dlink |
| 17:50:24 | Onyx4 | check the first link |
| 17:50:32 | Mantus | fricking huge |
| 17:50:33 | Onyx4 | it explains some of the definitions |
| 17:50:57 | Onyx4 | read the bottom |
| 17:51:00 | Onyx4 | "other cards" |
| 17:51:02 | Onyx4 | how to make them work |
| 17:51:34 | levi | Onyx4: Sweet, thanks. |
| 17:52:35 | cranch | anyone home? |
| 17:52:40 | cranch | oh...my bad |
| 17:52:45 | cranch | wasn't scrolling :P |
| 17:53:44 | cranch | well..anyways...you get the initrd fixed onyx? |
| 17:54:18 | Mantus | anyone know what esc is in vi? |
| 17:54:21 | Onyx4 | nope, kergoth will have to fix that, that's too complex for me :) |
| 17:54:24 | kergoth`food | Mantus: Cancel |
| 17:54:30 | Mantus | right |
| 17:54:40 | Mantus | doesnt work |
| 17:54:47 | kergoth`food | Mantus: yes, it does |
| 17:55:57 | Mantus | kergoth: it is esc that switches between edit and command right? |
| 17:59:55 | darienm | in vi? yes |
| 18:00:25 | darienm | actually, ESC only enters command mode. 'a' to append text, 'i' to insert text, 'r' to replace a single character |
| 18:00:32 | numatrix | kergoth`food: I'm about to flash my Z to the most recent openzaurus because another guy at work who has a CF card is here for a few minutes; any chance you fixed the non-booting initrd? |
| 18:03:02 | numatrix | Mantus: and the cancel key ~is~ ESC in terminal apps... |
| 18:03:47 | Mantus | i thought esc switched between edit and command |
| 18:03:47 | Wolfspirit | hello all... I just purchased an sl-5500 from wbay and despite teh research I've done, and the fact that I'm becoming impatient... I would like to talk about it. Just wondering everyones personal opinion of thier use with the zaurus and maybe some helpful insight you could add to it. Thank you. |
| 18:04:04 | codemnky | crazy question: |
| 18:04:06 | codemnky | Does the consumption of electricity by Routers and Switches go up with the amount of traffic? |
| 18:04:36 | codemnky | alot, none, not worth mentioning |
| 18:04:55 | Wolfspirit | i'll go for not worth mentioning |
| 18:05:14 | darienm | only so much as it takes to blink the little LED's faster |
| 18:05:29 | darienm | the traffic is its own energy... |
| 18:05:35 | Mantus | code: i doubt it because the cpu in them doesnt throttle itself |
| 18:06:06 | treke | waits for Southern California Edison to start pussing energy efficient switches ( no link lights) |
| 18:06:25 | codemnky | thx all |
| 18:07:21 | Wolfspirit | how about my question... what does everyone think of the sharp zaurus? Nice piece of technology or Nice piece of crap? |
| 18:07:37 | kergoth`food | Wolfspirit: you're talking to people in the #zaurus room, i think we're biased. |
| 18:08:33 | Mantus | wolf: i like mine alot ... the only othe handheld i would consider is the toshiba e740 |
| 18:08:38 | mark | anyone bored and feel like testing an .ipk for me on a sl5500? |
| 18:08:59 | Mantus | mark: what app? |
| 18:09:04 | Wolfspirit | Mantus: any problems with it? |
| 18:09:15 | numatrix | Wolfspirit: I think that's what we like to call a troll. :-) |
| 18:09:18 | Mantus | wolf: nope |
| 18:09:38 | mark | Mantus: its a chess engine for knights |
| 18:09:46 | Wolfspirit | Mantus: That's awsome.. now I'm feeling better about spending so much money lol |
| 18:09:55 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=574 |
| 18:10:28 | Mantus | isnt knights commertial |
| 18:10:54 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 18:11:09 | mark | Mantus: its GPL. and the engine is definately GPL, being GNUChess :) |
| 18:11:10 | mark | hi Cloudchaser |
| 18:11:10 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer: does it work better now? when i tried it, it didn't save the changes |
| 18:11:12 | mark | benmeyer: neat |
| 18:11:18 | benmeyer | yes |
| 18:11:19 | benmeyer | fixed |
| 18:11:24 | Cloudchaser | and i had to edit them manually ;) |
| 18:11:28 | Cloudchaser | oh thats' great news! |
| 18:11:30 | Cloudchaser | thank you |
| 18:11:51 | Cloudchaser | (although i'm not using oz right now) i will again in the future when its working better for me |
| 18:11:51 | darienm | 498 apps ! |
| 18:11:54 | Mantus | not according to killefiz |
| 18:12:14 | darienm | 498 'entries' |
| 18:12:18 | codemnky | zaurus is not a peice of crap, i like mine alot |
| 18:12:45 | codemnky | jmhodges that's more info then we needed |
| 18:13:02 | Cloudchaser | Wolfspirit: you'd probly get more people agreeing with you in #ipaq or # palm |
| 18:13:07 | codemnky | i'm going to send you a water proof irc kiosk |
| 18:13:45 | mark | Mantus: its wrong :/ |
| 18:13:48 | codemnky | what don't you like about the Z wolf, do you have one? |
| 18:14:10 | Mantus | mark: cool, do you have a url for the ipk? |
| 18:14:37 | Wolfspirit | I never said I didn't like it... I just bought it off of ebay and awaiting it's arrival... just wanted to know everyones opinion on it |
| 18:14:45 | sjohnson | is away: BBIAB checking install |
| 18:14:57 | codemnky | do you have a linux pda and do you know linux well? |
| 18:15:11 | hardwire | labbadabbadingdong |
| 18:15:17 | Wolfspirit | codemnky: me? |
| 18:15:19 | codemnky | yes |
| 18:15:40 | Wolfspirit | codemnky: I know linux fairly well, and I currently have no pda |
| 18:15:54 | Cloudchaser | so what do you base your opinion on? |
| 18:16:21 | codemnky | if you like linux i think you'll enjoy it, after fooling with the sharp rom i'd reccomend you also try openzaurus |
| 18:17:37 | mark | NeoTron: hmm, If wont run on sl5500? |
| 18:17:39 | Wolfspirit | codemnky: I was looking at that.. thinking bout trying it out.. I just wish I could some of the software sharp made for it for free instead of paying for it (speaking of the software on myzaurus.com) |
| 18:17:40 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:02:55) |
| 18:18:19 | Wolfspirit | codemnky: does it run windows apps too, I heard something about that, like a wine implementation? |
| 18:18:29 | codemnky | not sure about that |
| 18:18:31 | treke | Wolfspirit: no it doesnt |
| 18:18:33 | Wolfspirit | could get some... sorry... not could some |
| 18:18:36 | codemnky | it will run a palm emulator |
| 18:18:47 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=571 |
| 18:18:54 | Wolfspirit | that's nice... does the emu run fairly well? |
| 18:19:12 | Sniper | knights is selling rather well |
| 18:19:13 | codemnky | i have'nt tried it |
| 18:19:25 | Sniper | ben: i see that you're adding a lot more to the index |
| 18:20:02 | codemnky | you will notice you don't have alot of space for apps, i cheated big time and did a ln -s /mnt/card/opt /opt ; /mnt/card is my 64M SD card |
| 18:20:29 | codemnky | which can work if you don't plan on taking it out |
| 18:20:31 | anseror | benmeyer: hey, check this out. http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 18:20:46 | Wolfspirit | codemnky: and always keep it mounted |
| 18:21:07 | codemnky | right |
| 18:21:22 | Twiun | anseror: Yikes! easy on the pink ;-) |
| 18:21:27 | chouimat|food | wnat that on the z: http://w.harbaum.org/till/palm/pbrick/index.html |
| 18:21:29 | codemnky | it's worked for me, i got it loaded with tons of crap i don't use know ;) |
| 18:21:35 | Wolfspirit | codemnky: about how many apps in general do you think I can fit on the zaurus without extra memory.. I can only afford the unit right now |
| 18:21:40 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/stats.php |
| 18:21:40 | anseror | Twiun: heh, yeah, need to redo the colors sometime |
| 18:21:42 | benmeyer | yahahahaha |
| 18:21:45 | tux_mike_ | twiun: no go on the wine. 1fps |
| 18:21:45 | benmeyer | 500! |
| 18:22:00 | codemnky | it all depends on the size |
| 18:22:00 | JasonNJ | yay |
| 18:22:09 | JasonNJ | and there was much rejoicing |
| 18:22:15 | Wolfspirit | codemnky: I know, but in general |
| 18:22:23 | chouimat|food | benmeyer: will you get a raise. at 500? |
| 18:22:24 | Twiun | tux_mike_: Are you sure the nvidia drivers are used? |
| 18:22:28 | codemnky | hard to say, enough to keep you entertained |
| 18:22:31 | Mantus | may have to exchange his Z |
| 18:22:40 | Twiun | tux_mike_: and you're in 24bit mode? |
| 18:22:46 | anseror | benmeyer: will we get a 5500 instead at 500? |
| 18:22:49 | benmeyer | no, no fire me ;-D |
| 18:22:56 | Wolfspirit | codemnky: that's cool... like to heard that... do you know how much the inital OS takes up? |
| 18:23:12 | Twiun | anseror: there's also something weird... one of the maintainers' mouseover doesn't correspond to the link text ;-) |
| 18:23:35 | tux_mike_ | twiun: shit, no 16 bit |
| 18:24:21 | codemnky | not 100%, do you like java? |
| 18:24:23 | anseror | Twiun: where? |
| 18:24:24 | Twiun | http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/index.phtml?p=d&d=86 |
| 18:24:24 | Twiun | anseror: says maintainer adorphuye.com... but points to mike hazelwood for the link ;-) |
| 18:24:24 | benmeyer | wo, whats that? |
| 18:24:24 | Twiun | tux_mike_: that's your problem, go 24 |
| 18:24:24 | anseror | Twiun: ahh, yeah. well. for every other package it's name + email |
| 18:24:24 | anseror | this guy did homepage + email |
| 18:24:25 | codemnky | 100% sure |
| 18:24:35 | anseror | so his link is there as his name... |
| 18:24:48 | Twiun | anseror: yeah, it's weird... oh well... so it just needs the right data then? |
| 18:24:48 | Wolfspirit | java is decent |
| 18:25:00 | anseror | Twiun: yeah |
| 18:25:11 | Wolfspirit | I know that it's embedded linux with java |
| 18:25:16 | Twiun | anseror: when you go live, I'll amend the details |
| 18:25:23 | benmeyer | who runs zfi? |
| 18:25:24 | codemnky | sharp rom is good if you plan on doing java stuff, i switched right away to openz, i'm a big opensource fan |
| 18:25:29 | anseror | benmeyer: i do. |
| 18:25:33 | benmeyer | an |
| 18:25:34 | anseror | benmeyer: i wrote it yesterday |
| 18:25:36 | benmeyer | stats work? |
| 18:25:38 | benmeyer | cool |
| 18:25:41 | codemnky | there are little things about openz that are neat, like the root fs is writable |
| 18:25:43 | benmeyer | like zaurusoft.com |
| 18:25:44 | Wolfspirit | me too... opensourcee rocks |
| 18:25:45 | anseror | benmeyer: not yet, i wrote it yesterday. :-P |
| 18:26:06 | Wolfspirit | the yopy has xserver on it |
| 18:26:13 | JasonNJ | ans: how is it different from ZSI? |
| 18:26:16 | codemnky | have a link of that yopy? |
| 18:26:33 | anseror | JasonNJ: it has a list of feeds and updates the app list from feeds automatically |
| 18:26:55 | JasonNJ | oh cool. |
| 18:26:56 | anseror | JasonNJ: you don't have to submit an update everytime you make a release, and nobody needs to sit there and approve the submissions |
| 18:26:59 | Wolfspirit | I was thinking about the yopy but then I decided no, because it has no back or front light so it's impossible to read sometimes, and not nearly as much support as sharp has |
| 18:27:25 | anseror | this doesn't replace zsi, it's a different way of indexing things. |
| 18:27:30 | codemnky | brb |
| 18:27:58 | Wolfspirit | http://www.gmate.com/english/products/pop_overview.htm |
| 18:28:07 | Wolfspirit | brb as well... |
| 18:31:12 | anseror | so what do y'all think? i'd like comments and more importantly suggestions for improvement. |
| 18:31:55 | tux_mike_ | ls |
| 18:31:58 | tux_mike_ | oops |
| 18:32:32 | anseror | heh |
| 18:34:00 | Neo|Work | mark: it should |
| 18:34:16 | Neo|Work | mark: did you install eon-libsdl (and did you get the ipk or zip dowload?) |
| 18:35:43 | spiralman | hey guys, ive got a question about IR stuff |
| 18:35:57 | spiralman | is there a serial device for the IR port thats set up by default? |
| 18:36:34 | mark | Neo|Work: i just read the thing on handango about 400Mhz+? |
| 18:36:45 | Neo|Work | XSCale 400 MHZ, yes |
| 18:36:51 | Neo|Work | not StrongARM 200 MHz. :P |
| 18:37:02 | Neo|Work | basically saying: this won't run on SL-A300 - don't even bother |
| 18:37:44 | mark | Neoah okay. just installed the demo. wow wow wow |
| 18:38:17 | mark | Neo|Work: ah this is incredible. i take it the smart phoen version wont be this good graphically? :) |
| 18:38:52 | Neo|Work | mark: better discription now? |
| 18:39:05 | Neo|Work | the smartphone version is pretty much identical except smaller screen, yes |
| 18:39:40 | mark | Neo|Work: hmm, i think the smartphone version has one up on cool factor ratings :) |
| 18:40:44 | mark | NeoTron: yeh, thats easier to understand :) |
| 18:41:18 | Neo|Work | I might make it so you can make the screen size smaller and thus make it work on an A300 |
| 18:41:33 | Neo|Work | right now it's not that it's slow though - rather the issue is that it locks up |
| 18:41:36 | mark | jees this is incredible |
| 18:42:21 | Neo|Work | just wait till Simon gets the lighting done |
| 18:42:55 | mark | Neo|Work: to have these graphics a 200mhz machine with 16Mb RAM, wow |
| 18:43:03 | Neo|Work | and no FPU mind you |
| 18:44:10 | mark | oh yeh, that too |
| 18:44:10 | mark | wow |
| 18:44:16 | mark | is in awe |
| 18:45:14 | chouimat | mark: you didn't have a amiga don't you? |
| 18:45:28 | JasonNJ | Neo: regarding the Xscale... we gotta talk |
| 18:45:34 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: ok. :P |
| 18:45:36 | mark | chouimat: heh, no, i was too young :P |
| 18:45:55 | Neo|Work | chouimat: hmm. I truely don't remember any textured 3D space games on the Amiga |
| 18:46:07 | Neo|Work | chouimat: I mean Elite was awesome but it definitely had no textures.. |
| 18:46:32 | chouimat | Neo|Work: just to say that people seems to forgot all those gaming computer of the good old days |
| 18:47:16 | Neo|Work | The Amiga ruled badly |
| 18:47:25 | Neo|Work | too bad Commodore was fucked it all upo |
| 18:47:33 | mark | chouimat: i was too young for the old days :) |
| 18:48:05 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I'm still using my trusted Color Computer 3 (currently with 16MB and a 125MB hdd) |
| 18:48:29 | Neo|Work | Color Computer 3? that I am not familiar with |
| 18:48:44 | chouimat | Neo|Work: TRS-80 |
| 18:49:10 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 18:49:35 | chouimat | Neo|Work: a 2 Mhz 6809. but with OS-9 a multitasking os for it :) |
| 18:49:37 | Neo|Work | with 16 MB?! is that standard? ( never had one, don't know much abou tit) |
| 18:49:41 | Neo|Work | s/tit/it/ even |
| 18:49:51 | fusion94 | trs-80 playing adventure written in Basica |
| 18:50:05 | Sniper | trs-80 playing zork |
| 18:50:12 | Sniper | and 13 ghosts |
| 18:50:40 | chouimat | Neo|Work: 128KB standard/512KB upgrade avalable for 500$ back then. but now hackers have done a 16MB extension |
| 18:50:42 | JasonNJ | trs-80 rocked |
| 18:50:53 | JasonNJ | I used to play Crush, Crumble and Chomp |
| 18:50:55 | JasonNJ | that game ruled |
| 18:51:01 | Neo|Work | chouimat: I figured it as a hack. :P |
| 18:51:10 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I loved dynowar :) |
| 18:51:29 | Sniper | are you guys talking about the coco or the model III/IV |
| 18:51:50 | chouimat | Sniper: I'm speaking about the Color Computer 3 |
| 18:52:16 | chouimat | Sniper: learned unix with trs-Xenix on a model 16 :) |
| 18:52:52 | Neo|Work | I learned unix at the univ computer club on Sun's, and other much more odd hardware ( |
| 18:53:25 | chouimat | Neo|Work: unix on a Z80 :) |
| 18:54:08 | Sniper | chouimat: oh sorry.. I was Model IV - i didnt have a coco.. |
| 18:54:23 | benmeyer | Hi #Opie |
| 18:54:29 | benmeyer | I Welcome you too |
| 18:54:33 | Neo|Work | chouimat: how is that possibly possible? :) |
| 18:55:01 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I don't know but they have done it |
| 18:55:45 | chouimat | wb Sniper |
| 18:55:57 | chouimat | Sniper: any news ;-P |
| 18:56:28 | mark | hiya Sniper |
| 18:57:29 | Neo|Work | heh. so funny when people say hello when he's been here the whole time nad just bounced the connection. :P |
| 18:57:53 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I was ironic |
| 18:58:37 | chouimat | justs find out he didn't done the dishes for a week .... :( |
| 18:58:57 | Neo|Work | chouimat: I wasn't. ;-) |
| 19:00:57 | mark | Neo|Work: yeh, well, i didn't know he was here before :) |
| 19:03:11 | Neo|Work | left/joined. ;-) |
| 19:04:19 | benmeyer | addamgc: want a zsi feed creator? |
| 19:04:44 | benmeyer | Ripps apps from zsi, checks them for validness and creates a feed out of it, e-mailing you with errors |
| 19:05:03 | kergoth | just uses oipkg to search zsi to install apps from it |
| 19:05:03 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:05:38 | benmeyer | oh |
| 19:06:18 | benmeyer | well the main point of my app was to keep a main feed open and download source, check for bad links etc and to validate ipks |
| 19:06:35 | benmeyer | you wouldn't belive how many bad ipks, links, files, etc zsi was filled with |
| 19:06:45 | benmeyer | the first time I ran it |
| 19:07:26 | benmeyer | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=5A1EE394BF4B611B614DEDB2X3BD2BX4&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=44274 |
| 19:07:29 | benmeyer | a sweet game |
| 19:09:54 | Harlekin | yes |
| 19:09:55 | Harlekin | its great |
| 19:10:07 | Harlekin | should be featured app on myzaurus |
| 19:10:11 | Harlekin | who has control on that? |
| 19:11:57 | benmeyer | Chuck |
| 19:11:58 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:14:17 | scanline | is back (gone 07:48:17) |
| 19:16:16 | cranch | whos stealing my name :P |
| 19:25:57 | mark | Neo|Work: oh well : |
| 19:34:07 | nadav | hm |
| 19:35:16 | nadav | hm |
| 19:35:49 | cranch | its quiet here |
| 19:36:23 | dima | anyone knows, is Qt on Zaurus compiled with threads? |
| 19:36:45 | ljp_work | no |
| 19:36:57 | ljp_work | theres pthreads |
| 19:37:52 | dima | ljp_work: so I can't use QThread and related classes? |
| 19:38:11 | | well, contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ or NEW: UPDATE ON CHALLENGE WEBSITE - SHIPPING DELAYED |
| 19:38:11 | diclophis | ibot contest |
| 19:40:28 | diclophis | hmm |
| 19:46:48 | nadav | grrrr |
| 19:46:50 | nadav | damn isp |
| 19:50:05 | tux_mike_ | how strange. the apache worm got to my system, but nothing happened with it. i wonder if my firewall was able to block any 'important' messages |
| 19:51:46 | kergoth | hey umopapisdn |
| 19:52:52 | tux_mike_ | but, i wouldn't have gotten the worm if it wasn't for RHN's slow response in updating servers |
| 19:53:52 | umopapisdn | hey kergoth, and everybody else for that matter! |
| 19:53:58 | tux_mike_ | lo |
| 19:54:52 | umopapisdn | handhelds.org cvs seems to be down.. :( |
| 19:55:01 | kergoth | i just checked out opie |
| 19:55:06 | kergoth | like 2 minutes ago |
| 19:55:22 | umopapisdn | really? I can't. Wonder why then... I'll try again then. |
| 19:55:36 | kergoth | course i didnt use pserver |
| 19:55:39 | kergoth | i pulled it via ssh |
| 19:55:42 | kergoth | maybe thats it? |
| 19:56:52 | umopapisdn | I'm doing it via ssh too. Just tried again, doesn't work for me, it did work earlier today. |
| 19:57:05 | kergoth | weird |
| 19:57:07 | Harlekin | umopapisdn: does it work now? |
| 19:57:07 | kergoth | i can try again if you like |
| 19:57:17 | kergoth | Harlekin: break something? :-P |
| 19:57:22 | Harlekin | kergoth: ? |
| 19:57:32 | Harlekin | kergoth: i ment umopapisdns account |
| 19:57:38 | umopapisdn | Harlekin: It did work this morning, but right now the cvs server doesn't even seem to be answering. :) |
| 19:57:49 | Harlekin | they are online |
| 19:57:51 | kergoth | Harlekin:just giving you shit :) |
| 19:57:59 | umopapisdn | hehe |
| 19:58:07 | Harlekin | kergoth: hope i can see that mkipks commit soon |
| 19:58:12 | Harlekin | fetches the hammer |
| 19:58:20 | Neo|Work | heh, I just released IF. Give it a day or two before featuring it. ;-) |
| 19:58:22 | kergoth | i committed it! |
| 19:58:23 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:59:07 | Harlekin | ok |
| 19:59:09 | tboc | re |
| 19:59:25 | tboc | btw. on killefiz.de it says it was GPL? |
| 20:00:29 | umopapisdn | hmm, odd I can login just doing a normal ssh umopapisdn@cvs.handhelds.org, but I can't use "cvs" through. |
| 20:00:30 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: that must be featured app on myzaurus |
| 20:00:55 | Neo|Work | it's definitely a kick-ass unique product, even if you look at PocketPC. :) |
| 20:01:09 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hm, i should buy that |
| 20:01:15 | tboc | grr, the CF-card suddenly doesn't work anymore :/ |
| 20:01:25 | tboc | all this is annoying |
| 20:01:43 | Neo|Work | kergoth: indeed. $6.99 is truely a good price, I think |
| 20:02:44 | kergoth | Neo|Work: very |
| 20:37:51 | nadav | argh |
| 20:38:09 | nadav | i hope i get my z or at least get an email from sharp soon |
| 20:39:03 | MSpin | has anyone here done a custom widget *and* gotten it to integrate with designer? |
| 20:44:30 | nasa | Hi, has anyone played with mencoder? I want to know if I can encode my video files with one bitrate (video's do range in size and length) |
| 20:49:15 | Neo|Work | MSpin: custom? Hah, I haven't even gotten it to handle basic builtin widgets! (QMainWindow, menues and the like) |
| 20:50:06 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 20:51:28 | MSpin | Neo|Work: it's been OK for me....but I have a custom LEDBarGraph display that I'd like to use... |
| 20:53:44 | Sniper | offf |
| 21:02:00 | | sig was last seen on #zaurus 15 hours, 31 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: peace out [Tue Sep 24 06:30:50 2002] |
| 21:02:00 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen sig |
| 21:05:32 | ibnmaja | hi, what is best to buy the SL5000, or SL5500, is there any major difference apart from the memory Size? |
| 21:05:55 | treke | ibnmaja: buy a 5500 |
| 21:05:59 | W|GGL|T | 5500, due to memory size over the 5000 |
| 21:06:04 | treke | ibnmaja: the difference is just memory size |
| 21:06:14 | treke | ibnmaja: and it is a very big difference |
| 21:06:58 | ibnmaja | treke: So development wise you can still do the same!! |
| 21:08:25 | treke | ibnmaja: yup. Dont discount the memory though |
| 21:08:33 | ibnmaja | ok thanks |
| 21:13:59 | W|GGL|T | anyone here proficient in QNX? |
| 21:16:10 | TheMasterMind1 | the 5500 has 32 things different than the 5000d |
| 21:16:19 | TheMasterMind1 | 32times better |
| 21:18:02 | W|GGL|T | TheMasterMind1: i think you missed the boat :o) |
| 21:18:17 | ibnmaja | TheMasterMind1: are these 32 things different 32 Megs only, or something else? |
| 21:19:08 | treke | W|GGL|T: keep an eye out for cdm, hes uhm proficient :) |
| 21:19:20 | | cdm was last seen on #picogui 9 days, 15 hours, 17 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Sun Sep 15 07:01:35 2002] |
| 21:19:20 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen cdm |
| 21:19:24 | W|GGL|T | dayam |
| 21:19:56 | W|GGL|T | will wing it on his own then :o) |
| 21:19:57 | W|GGL|T | thanks treke |
| 21:20:19 | treke | he works for qnx, and did an ipaq port, I think :) |
| 21:30:38 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: ping |
| 21:31:12 | Thrayne | <--- Newbie Zaurus Owner (will be when it arrives). In the UK. Any other UK peoples here? |
| 21:33:58 | Thrayne | Guess that's a no :) |
| 21:34:45 | nadav | Thrayne: there are some |
| 21:34:49 | nadav | probably not around right now |
| 21:35:03 | Thrayne | :) spose it is late :) |
| 21:35:21 | Thrayne | Wanted to hassle for info on best places to grab WiFi kit in the UK etc |
| 21:36:00 | Thrayne | Tho think i should probably get rid of one or two desktop boxes before I start spending more. 350 GBP on the SL-5500 is enough for this week :) |
| 21:41:21 | nadav | heh |
| 21:43:09 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: ping ping |
| 21:43:16 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #openzaurus 13 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: is /var/lib/pcmcia/scheme supposed to be empty? where the info kept for the LANTCPIP scheme kept? [Tue Sep 24 22:29:58 2002] |
| 21:43:16 | cranchy | ibot: seen Onyx4 |
| 21:43:21 | Harlekin | anybody else here still running retail rom? |
| 21:45:01 | cranchy | I am |
| 21:45:21 | W|GGL|T | same here |
| 21:46:09 | Harlekin | could one off you test something? |
| 21:46:12 | cranchy | sure |
| 21:46:15 | cranchy | what is it |
| 21:46:20 | Harlekin | opie app |
| 21:46:25 | cranchy | k |
| 21:46:34 | Harlekin | and our ipks are not recognized anymore by the ipkg gui |
| 21:46:37 | Harlekin | from retail rom |
| 21:46:44 | cranchy | hmmm |
| 21:46:45 | Harlekin | cranchy: whats your mail? |
| 21:47:28 | | OK, TheMasterMind1. |
| 21:47:28 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set your path to /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) |
| 21:47:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search for compiler |
| 21:47:56 | | okay, TheMasterMind1. |
| 21:47:56 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot howto is also see xcompiler for cross compiler setup |
| 21:48:22 | | OK, TheMasterMind1. |
| 21:48:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xcompiler is see xcompile :) |
| 21:49:40 | Harlekin | cranchy: you got mail |
| 21:49:41 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:50:00 | Harlekin | cranchy: would be allready nice if you could tell me if the gui sees them |
| 21:50:05 | cranchy | alrighty :) |
| 21:50:35 | Harlekin | tnx a lot |
| 21:50:44 | cranchy | one second...damn email is whacked |
| 21:50:52 | Harlekin | ? |
| 21:53:07 | cranchy | damn you email |
| 21:53:08 | cranchy | :) |
| 21:53:16 | cranchy | outlook sucks my...well nevermind that |
| 21:53:27 | kergoth | use mutt |
| 21:53:28 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:54:13 | cranchy | :) |
| 21:54:32 | cranchy | kerogth: did you get Onyx4's initrd.bin fixed? |
| 21:54:44 | kergoth | cranchy: it boots |
| 21:54:52 | kergoth | cranchy: but doesnt start opie, i'm about to test another one |
| 21:55:00 | cranchy | cool :) |
| 21:55:13 | cranchy | harlekin: did you want me to test all of that? |
| 21:56:14 | Harlekin | cranchy: are they shown? |
| 21:56:30 | kergoth | Harlekin: when Resource::loadImage("launcher/background.jpg") it works, when Resource::loadImage("launcher/background"), it does not. either QImageIO isnt giving us the correct list of image formats, or MimeType isnt giving us the proper extensions, or we're doing something stupid |
| 21:56:44 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 21:56:55 | Harlekin | kergoth: tell that sandman |
| 21:57:00 | Harlekin | he is at launcher right now |
| 21:57:01 | kergoth | Harlekin: k |
| 21:57:34 | cranchy | they show in my documents tab... |
| 21:57:40 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't start opie? |
| 21:57:42 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:57:44 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 21:57:49 | cranchy | and under the Package Installer |
| 21:57:51 | cranchy | want me to install them? |
| 21:58:31 | Harlekin | you can if you want |
| 21:58:34 | Harlekin | the lib you will need |
| 21:58:40 | Harlekin | the others are just to apps |
| 21:58:41 | Harlekin | today |
| 21:58:44 | Harlekin | with the plugins |
| 21:58:46 | Harlekin | and opie-irc |
| 21:58:58 | cranchy | k... |
| 21:58:59 | Harlekin | cranchy: tehy show in the package installer |
| 21:59:00 | Harlekin | great |
| 21:59:02 | Harlekin | kergoth: sound good |
| 21:59:05 | kergoth | today w/ plugins rocks |
| 21:59:07 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:59:09 | Harlekin | kergoth: tnx |
| 21:59:15 | kergoth | i should do a 'fortune' plugin one of these days |
| 21:59:17 | kergoth | i need my quotes |
| 21:59:18 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:59:21 | Harlekin | kergoth: looks like we can to packages for retail rom again |
| 21:59:28 | Harlekin | kergoth: please to |
| 21:59:31 | cranchy | the opie-irc runs...want me to try and connect with it? |
| 21:59:37 | Harlekin | kergoth: that would be cool |
| 21:59:42 | Harlekin | cranchy: you can if you want |
| 21:59:44 | Harlekin | it will work |
| 21:59:58 | cranchy | okay..well than I won't screw with it |
| 22:01:05 | cranchy | and today works too |
| 22:02:44 | nadav | ah\ |
| 22:02:47 | nadav | my Z is back |
| 22:03:00 | kergoth`bbl | bbl |
| 22:03:28 | Harlekin | cranchy: all plugins? |
| 22:03:40 | cranchy | yup..looks like it |
| 22:03:53 | Harlekin | cool |
| 22:04:04 | Harlekin | could you make a screenshot? |
| 22:04:08 | cranchy | Datebook, Mail and Todolist plugins are there |
| 22:04:10 | Harlekin | just want to make sure it looks right too |
| 22:04:14 | cranchy | of what |
| 22:04:17 | Harlekin | today |
| 22:04:27 | cranchy | just the main app? |
| 22:04:32 | Harlekin | yes |
| 22:04:46 | scanline | is away: food or something like it! |
| 22:04:46 | Harlekin | or maybe config dialog too |
| 22:04:53 | Harlekin | just want to make sure the tabs look right to |
| 22:04:54 | cranchy | okay.. |
| 22:05:00 | cranchy | what to you take screenshots with |
| 22:05:14 | Harlekin | you could to a scap |
| 22:05:19 | Harlekin | no idea how to make them on zaurus |
| 22:05:31 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 22:05:34 | cranchy | oh :) |
| 22:05:37 | Harlekin | and theres a screenshot app |
| 22:05:45 | Harlekin | an applet |
| 22:05:45 | cranchy | hmm.. |
| 22:06:10 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 22:06:10 | cranchy | ibot: search zsi for screenshot |
| 22:06:16 | cranchy | damn you ibot |
| 22:06:38 | | oGMo: huh? |
| 22:06:38 | oGMo | ibot: you suck |
| 22:06:43 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 22:06:59 | Cloudchaser | cranch i use vnc and make screenshots with gimp |
| 22:07:06 | cranchy | oh :) |
| 22:07:07 | cranchy | haha |
| 22:07:26 | TheMasterMind1 | new oz release is coming up soon :D |
| 22:07:32 | cranchy | it better :P |
| 22:07:35 | TheMasterMind1 | we're making loads of progress |
| 22:07:40 | | busybox 0.60.4 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=566 |
| 22:07:41 | | busybox_0.60.3 0.60.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=167 |
| 22:07:42 | | GameBoyZ 0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=411 |
| 22:07:43 | | 3 of 8 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=screenshot |
| 22:07:43 | cranchy | ibot: search zsi for screenshot |
| 22:07:54 | Harlekin | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=112 |
| 22:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | intelstellar flames looks cool |
| 22:08:50 | TheMasterMind1 | interstellar |
| 22:08:52 | Harlekin | yes |
| 22:08:55 | Harlekin | it is also too |
| 22:08:59 | | ...but you suck is SCREW YOU TOO BIATCH... |
| 22:08:59 | oGMo | ibot: you suck is <reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>i'm just here to thwart your puny efforts|<reply>hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:08:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 22:09:01 | TheMasterMind1 | too |
| 22:09:05 | oGMo | bah |
| 22:09:25 | | TheMasterMind1: I forgot you suck |
| 22:09:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot forget you suck |
| 22:09:33 | | OK, TheMasterMind1. |
| 22:09:33 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: you suck is <reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>i'm just here to thwart your puny efforts|<reply>hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:09:36 | | TheMasterMind1: sorry... |
| 22:09:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot you suck |
| 22:09:38 | cranchy | is the new OZ out tonight Master? |
| 22:09:45 | oGMo | fired |
| 22:09:46 | TheMasterMind1 | cranchy: dunno about tonight, but soon |
| 22:09:54 | TheMasterMind1 | we might have a working testing initrd.bin tonight |
| 22:09:59 | oGMo | ooh |
| 22:10:07 | | oGMo: huh? |
| 22:10:07 | oGMo | ibot: ibot suck |
| 22:10:10 | oGMo | hrm |
| 22:10:14 | | ...but you suck is <reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>i'm just here to thwart ibot's puny efforts|<reply>hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off... |
| 22:10:14 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot you suck is you suck |
| 22:10:16 | oGMo | silly infobot |
| 22:10:17 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:10:18 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 22:10:31 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: i think it's trasposing the you |
| 22:10:36 | cranchy | MasterMind: it better work better than last night |
| 22:10:41 | | BZFlag: huh? |
| 22:10:41 | BZFlag | ibot \you suck |
| 22:10:42 | TheMasterMind1 | oGMo: ah |
| 22:10:51 | | TheMasterMind1: I forgot you suck |
| 22:10:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot forget you suck |
| 22:10:54 | BZFlag | wierd |
| 22:10:57 | | OK, oGMo. |
| 22:10:57 | oGMo | ibot: \you suck is <reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>i'm just here to thwart your puny efforts|<reply>hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:10:59 | | i already had it that way, TheMasterMind1. |
| 22:10:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: \you suck is <reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>i'm just here to thwart your puny efforts|<reply>hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:11:01 | | oGMo: huh? |
| 22:11:01 | oGMo | ibot: you suck |
| 22:11:02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:11:05 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:11:08 | TheMasterMind1 | its weird |
| 22:11:08 | | oGMo: huh? |
| 22:11:08 | oGMo | ibot: NO REALLY YOU DO |
| 22:11:13 | | ...but suck is <reply> Grabs news from a remote NNTP news server. URL: http://home.att.net/~bobyetman/... |
| 22:11:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: suck is <reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>i'm just here to thwart your puny efforts|<reply>hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:11:14 | | Grabs news from a remote NNTP news server. URL: http://home.att.net/~bobyetman/ |
| 22:11:14 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot suck |
| 22:11:20 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 22:11:21 | TheMasterMind1 | whatever |
| 22:11:28 | oGMo | oh well, enough bot abuse for now |
| 22:11:32 | TheMasterMind1 | <ibot> TheMasterMind1: I forgot you suck |
| 22:11:35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:11:36 | TheMasterMind1 | that's funny |
| 22:11:39 | oGMo | hehe |
| 22:13:17 | | ntropy: I forgot suck |
| 22:13:17 | ntropy | ibot: forget suck |
| 22:13:27 | | OK, TheMasterMind1. |
| 22:13:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: suck is <reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>:(|<reply>i'm just here to thwart your puny efforts|<reply>hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:13:29 | | hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:13:29 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot suck |
| 22:13:33 | ntropy | there you go. |
| 22:13:34 | cranchy | well..I can't sceenshot...the opie-screenshot applet won't install.... |
| 22:13:36 | | hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:13:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot suck |
| 22:13:38 | | hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:13:38 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot suck |
| 22:13:38 | cranchy | or show up in the package manger that is |
| 22:13:42 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:13:45 | ntropy | hm. |
| 22:13:47 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm guessing that | is or ? |
| 22:13:57 | ntropy | cant remember |
| 22:16:00 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 22:16:01 | cranchy | anything i can test as of yet Mastermind: |
| 22:16:47 | cranchy | Well Harlekin, the Today screen looks like the standard opie one :P |
| 22:17:00 | cranchy | the config screen is missing the mail-plugin icon |
| 22:17:36 | Harlekin | yes |
| 22:17:40 | Harlekin | since its for opie maio |
| 22:17:47 | Harlekin | and the defualt screen is differnt |
| 22:17:49 | Harlekin | smaller icons |
| 22:17:54 | Harlekin | and rearrangable |
| 22:17:57 | Harlekin | you can turn plugins of |
| 22:18:00 | Harlekin | sort different |
| 22:18:05 | Harlekin | and there are more plugins to come |
| 22:18:15 | Harlekin | like kergoths fortunes plugin .-) |
| 22:18:21 | Harlekin | cranchy: in the datebook section |
| 22:18:23 | TheMasterMind1 | maio? |
| 22:18:32 | Harlekin | cranchy: are there large spaces between the entries? |
| 22:19:03 | cranchy | on the main screen |
| 22:20:01 | cranchy | a little space between the Datebook and the mail |
| 22:20:38 | Harlekin | i ment between differnt entries in datebook |
| 22:20:45 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 22:20:48 | sig | you around dude? |
| 22:20:57 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 22:21:05 | sig | you try qnx yet? |
| 22:21:44 | W|GGL|T | still trying...the bitch is giving me a hard time installing |
| 22:21:56 | sig | weird |
| 22:22:05 | sig | just install it within windows |
| 22:22:08 | sig | as a file |
| 22:22:12 | sig | thats what I did |
| 22:22:14 | W|GGL|T | yeah, that's what im doing now |
| 22:22:52 | cranchy | so can I flash to OZ yet? |
| 22:22:53 | W|GGL|T | i'd wanted it in its own partition but the qnx partitioning software didn't detect the freed space |
| 22:22:56 | sig | cool |
| 22:22:57 | cranchy | and install my hancom apps |
| 22:23:08 | sig | hmm |
| 22:23:18 | TheMasterMind1 | cranchy: heh, patience |
| 22:23:24 | W|GGL|T | sig: your webpage is down |
| 22:23:28 | sig | yeah |
| 22:23:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hancom might be a little tricky |
| 22:23:36 | sig | haven't moved it to my fbsd machine yet |
| 22:23:39 | sig | or this one |
| 22:23:41 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll have to get the buildroot and build em yourself |
| 22:23:44 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 22:23:55 | TheMasterMind1 | since we can't distribute the oz compatible ipks |
| 22:24:17 | TheMasterMind1 | mnn |
| 22:24:21 | TheMasterMind1 | php and nanoweb for the Z |
| 22:24:32 | hardwire | eh? |
| 22:24:48 | hardwire | those are in the testing feed |
| 22:25:14 | hardwire | just ipkg install http://blasdfljasdflkjasdf/.ipkg |
| 22:25:29 | sig | W|GGL|T: I'm getting apache online for qnx |
| 22:26:31 | hardwire | eh qnx |
| 22:26:32 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:27:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: eh |
| 22:27:39 | W|GGL|T | im not even gonna try to run a webserver...road runner will go ballistic |
| 22:28:04 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:28:08 | TheMasterMind1 | they don't care |
| 22:28:10 | TheMasterMind1 | in most areas anyway |
| 22:28:13 | hardwire | eh |
| 22:28:24 | hardwire | W|GGL|T roadrunner will go ballistic? |
| 22:28:31 | hardwire | let me tell you a little something that roadrunner does not know |
| 22:29:07 | hardwire | I am serving an entire building in hawaii off of a pirate RR line going over a wireless connection to a house on a hill 3 miles away that one of the building owners has |
| 22:29:07 | W|GGL|T | yeah right, the first thing the cable installer did when he saw my towers was tell me i couldnt serve anything |
| 22:29:31 | hardwire | over that they have access to the main office over a vtun back to anchorage |
| 22:29:31 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:29:34 | TheMasterMind1 | W|GGL|T: they tell you that, but they won't find out |
| 22:29:36 | hardwire | roadrunner won't care |
| 22:29:41 | TheMasterMind1 | unless you're serving 50gigs of porn a month |
| 22:29:48 | sig | df |
| 22:29:51 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 22:29:57 | TheMasterMind1 | don't use too much bandwidth |
| 22:30:00 | TheMasterMind1 | and they won't notice |
| 22:30:02 | sig | W|GGL|T: whats my ip? |
| 22:30:08 | sig | paste it for me if you would |
| 22:30:14 | W|GGL|T | 64.105.67.248 |
| 22:30:27 | TheMasterMind1 | plus |
| 22:30:31 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't RR block port 80 ? |
| 22:30:36 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll have to use 808 |
| 22:30:38 | TheMasterMind1 | 0 |
| 22:30:40 | TheMasterMind1 | or something else |
| 22:30:43 | TheMasterMind1 | pets his dsl |
| 22:30:51 | TheMasterMind1 | 40K/up and no port 80 block |
| 22:31:27 | hardwire | they don't block port 80 in hawaii |
| 22:31:44 | W|GGL|T | i dunno...all im worried about is losing my cable access. around here, in this shithole of a cowtown, TW/RR is the only internet cable access in the area |
| 22:31:45 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 22:32:10 | TheMasterMind1 | W|GGL|T: well, worst they'll do is call you up and say stop |
| 22:32:15 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll get one warning atleast |
| 22:32:16 | TheMasterMind1 | if not more |
| 22:32:28 | TheMasterMind1 | if they do, just say "oops" and stop |
| 22:32:46 | TheMasterMind1 | they're not going to cut off your access |
| 22:32:48 | TheMasterMind1 | they want your money |
| 22:34:16 | W|GGL|T | is about to give his qnx cd to the rott next door |
| 22:37:47 | chouimat | re |
| 22:38:54 | nadav | hm |
| 22:39:56 | nadav | i installed the drivers on xp, configured the interface, put the z in the cradle |
| 22:40:03 | nadav | what needs to be done? |
| 22:44:09 | imm | hi |
| 22:44:22 | imm | chouimat: news ? |
| 22:45:44 | scanline | is back (gone 00:40:58) |
| 22:53:39 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: lookie, you're on zsi! |
| 22:58:37 | Harlekin | heeh |
| 22:58:47 | Harlekin | 'http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/screenshots/00572_0.png' <- that one? |
| 22:59:07 | Harlekin | that IF looks soooo cool |
| 22:59:33 | Harlekin | hey imm |
| 22:59:37 | Harlekin | imm: is "groundbreaking" |
| 22:59:43 | Harlekin | allready in bullshit bingo? |
| 23:00:18 | TheMasterMind1 | IF ? |
| 23:00:24 | TheMasterMind1 | imm: sup |
| 23:00:34 | Harlekin | interstellar flame |
| 23:00:41 | Harlekin | and real real good price |
| 23:00:49 | Harlekin | compared to some other stuff |
| 23:00:51 | TheMasterMind1 | imm: does qasteriods work now (not screw up the keyboard on zaurus) and does kpacman put its confs in right place? |
| 23:00:52 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:00:52 | Harlekin | price/value |
| 23:00:56 | TheMasterMind1 | might actually be worth it |
| 23:00:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 23:01:29 | tboc | is IF also multiplayer? :) |
| 23:01:55 | imm | Harlekin: now it is ;) |
| 23:02:14 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:02:25 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: is it? |
| 23:03:00 | imm | TheMasterMind1: Obri said kpacman works and on qasteriods i have no clue |
| 23:03:17 | tboc | would be cool if i could play some sort of game over the internet with other Z users (= |
| 23:03:31 | Harlekin | i did not read any bugreport about qasteroids either |
| 23:05:40 | TheMasterMind1 | imm: ok |
| 23:05:42 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:05:45 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe it was just my Z |
| 23:05:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll check when i get latest opie working |
| 23:07:13 | imm | Harlekin: Obri said some weird things abou kpacman, but i cant reproduce them without a PDA |
| 23:07:28 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:07:32 | Harlekin | imm: like what? |
| 23:08:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i upgraded to new kpacman package today |
| 23:08:06 | TheMasterMind1 | and postinst failed |
| 23:08:11 | TheMasterMind1 | couldn't copy the config file |
| 23:08:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try again with a fresh install |
| 23:08:28 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, how do i get cvs access to opie |
| 23:09:32 | imm | TheMasterMind1: thats what obri said, but then he said "nevermind, it works" ?!? |
| 23:09:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:09:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll play with it |
| 23:09:44 | TheMasterMind1 | see what's going on |
| 23:09:50 | Harlekin | imm: didnt you change the config stuff yet? as i suggested? |
| 23:09:52 | TheMasterMind1 | postinst shouldn't fail |
| 23:09:58 | TheMasterMind1 | even if it works afterward |
| 23:10:08 | TheMasterMind1 | it was trying to move an invalid file iirc |
| 23:10:29 | Harlekin | imm: case if you did, the postinst can be removed |
| 23:11:00 | imm | Harlekin: thats a fairly large piece of work for me |
| 23:11:26 | Harlekin | ah |
| 23:11:27 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 23:11:28 | imm | Harlekin: its mostly done but i wont commit before the release |
| 23:11:45 | TheMasterMind1 | what release? |
| 23:11:47 | Harlekin | which release? |
| 23:12:20 | imm | Harlekin: there was a post on the list "opie 0.6 is comming" ... |
| 23:12:27 | TheMasterMind1 | huh |
| 23:12:28 | Harlekin | ah |
| 23:12:32 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't opie 0.9 right now? |
| 23:12:33 | imm | Harlekin: i even think it was from you |
| 23:12:34 | Harlekin | postpoined |
| 23:12:39 | Harlekin | needs an adittion |
| 23:12:42 | TheMasterMind1 | why won't you commit before a release? |
| 23:12:44 | Harlekin | addition |
| 23:12:52 | TheMasterMind1 | shouldn't you commit so its in the release? |
| 23:13:23 | imm | TheMasterMind1: i will as soon i can test it nicely |
| 23:13:48 | TheMasterMind1 | or you could commit and i'll test it and bitch at you if it doesn't work |
| 23:13:52 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: I'm on zsi? |
| 23:14:03 | TheMasterMind1 | its already broken, so a 50% chance of it working is better than it remaining broked |
| 23:14:08 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: yes, in the opieirc screenshot |
| 23:14:22 | imm | Harlekin: so when is the release then ? |
| 23:14:43 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:14:45 | imm | Harlekin: if its in more then two weeks i commit |
| 23:14:51 | scanline | opieirc wastes a lot of screen space |
| 23:15:06 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: port your pg make files to the new buildroot system! |
| 23:15:24 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 23:16:14 | TheMasterMind1 | good |
| 23:16:28 | Harlekin | scanline: where |
| 23:16:32 | TheMasterMind1 | what's the ETA on pg release |
| 23:16:43 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: uh... "Soon" |
| 23:16:47 | scanline | :) |
| 23:16:58 | scanline | hopefully less than a week.. but I know I said that two weeks ago |
| 23:17:02 | Harlekin | imm: get mail |
| 23:17:09 | scanline | I'll make some coffee, then get back to work on it |
| 23:17:54 | scanline | Harlekin: where what? |
| 23:18:29 | Harlekin | space waste |
| 23:18:49 | TheMasterMind1 | cvs up -PdA's his opie tree |
| 23:19:06 | TheMasterMind1 | <scanline> opieirc wastes a lot of screen space |
| 23:19:19 | scanline | oh |
| 23:19:29 | scanline | the "IRC" menu, the title bar, the big X... |
| 23:19:59 | scanline | the menu looks pretty lonely with just an "IRC" menu, you could move that to the titlebar or to a small button |
| 23:20:57 | cranch | got an image working MasterMind1? |
| 23:21:55 | jmh|away | is away: and im going to stay this way for a while |
| 23:23:31 | scanline | coffee time... |
| 23:25:22 | nadav | i set my usb interface as 192.168.0.1 and my Z as 192.168.0.200.. i can transfer files using intellisync. how do i get internet to work? |
| 23:27:35 | imm | Harlekin: shouldnt you be in bed this late ? |
| 23:27:53 | tboc | hehe =) |
| 23:28:05 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 23:28:10 | Harlekin | but you two too |
| 23:28:13 | TheMasterMind1 | nadav: you need to setup internet connection sharing or something on your windows box |
| 23:28:24 | TheMasterMind1 | so that it lets you use the box as a gateway to the net |
| 23:28:31 | TheMasterMind1 | and you can set it as your gateway on the zaurus |
| 23:28:55 | imm | Harlekin: i got laid off today, so ... :) |
| 23:28:58 | nadav | other than that, nothing? |
| 23:29:00 | Harlekin | imm: ? |
| 23:29:36 | [DrEvil] | growls |
| 23:29:48 | [DrEvil] | bluez is locking my Z |
| 23:30:15 | imm | Harlekin: i soon will have some spare time :) |
| 23:30:21 | ljp | imm: drink rum.. it wont matter in a few... |
| 23:31:58 | imm | ljp: will do that, but not tonight |
| 23:34:20 | ljp | ohh.. tonights the best night to drown your sorrows.. |
| 23:35:30 | Harlekin | imm: ljp is doing it since years |
| 23:35:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:35:31 | imm | Sugar: make me a cuba libre |
| 23:35:32 | Sugar | puts lime juice and twist of lime into highball glass and add rum then fills with cola and ice cubes and serves it to imm. |
| 23:35:48 | Harlekin | Sugar: me too |
| 23:35:59 | ljp | hahaha |
| 23:36:05 | Harlekin | stupid bot |
| 23:36:10 | cranch | can you install the apache server on the SharpROM? |
| 23:36:12 | imm | Sugar: make a cuba libre for #zaurus |
| 23:36:31 | ljp | cranch: yes, I think so.. but there are smaller servers |
| 23:36:35 | imm | Sugar: make a cuba libre for Harlekin |
| 23:36:42 | cranch | like boa? |
| 23:36:47 | ljp | ya |
| 23:36:50 | | backgammon 0.6.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=558 |
| 23:36:51 | | Boa >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=166 |
| 23:36:52 | | Candy_Cruncher 1.50 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=329 |
| 23:36:53 | | 3 of 33 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=boa |
| 23:36:53 | cranch | ibot: search zsi for boa |
| 23:37:29 | W|GGL|T | why did those other 2 show up? |
| 23:38:43 | ljp | cause they are friends of boa's and wanted to join in the fun |
| 23:39:14 | cranch | boa defaults to running its server as root? |
| 23:39:19 | cranch | nice... |
| 23:39:45 | anseror|away | grr |
| 23:39:47 | W|GGL|T | more likely the bot is broken |
| 23:40:06 | cranch | off to read while I install KDE 3.1 |
| 23:40:22 | W|GGL|T | sig! |
| 23:40:25 | sig | yo |
| 23:40:31 | sig | I booted to windows |
| 23:40:43 | anseror | does ibot just parse the html output or is there some backend it has access to? |
| 23:40:46 | sig | was programming my new phone |
| 23:40:55 | sig | bbiab |
| 23:41:20 | anseror | anyone know? |
| 23:41:40 | imm | anseror: there is a perl script which helps ibot |
| 23:41:53 | anseror | imm: what kind of perl script? |
| 23:44:18 | imm | anseror: dont know anymore, i just followed a link which was posted here |
| 23:44:23 | | well, i am the best bot in #bzflag |
| 23:44:23 | imm | ibot ibot |
| 23:44:34 | | hmmm... bzflag is TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions. |
| 23:44:34 | imm | ibot bzflag |
| 23:45:03 | imm | anseror: thats the gui on which page i found the script |
| 23:45:09 | imm | guy |
| 23:45:38 | W|GGL|T | lol...all that is one sentence |
| 23:45:46 | imm | anseror: http://cvs.berlios.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/zsi/zsi2/ <-- maybe you find here something |
| 23:46:51 | TheMasterMind1 | anseror: it just parses the html |
| 23:47:07 | anseror | ok |
| 23:47:09 | TheMasterMind1 | no backend access |
| 23:48:12 | imm | TheMasterMind1: thats not true |
| 23:48:19 | anseror | is there a low bandwidth script that it can access? |
| 23:48:40 | imm | TheMasterMind1: as i remember it gets a | delimitted list |
| 23:49:37 | imm | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/zsibot.php |
| 23:50:58 | imm | anseror: you can use http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/zsibot.php?query=buzz |
| 23:51:12 | anseror | ahha |
| 23:51:17 | nadav | hm |
| 23:51:19 | anseror | yeah, i was just looking at that |
| 23:51:23 | nadav | something must be wrong with xp again. |
| 23:51:33 | chouimat | nadav: yup xp :) |
| 23:51:37 | TheMasterMind1 | that's still not backend access perse |
| 23:51:45 | nadav | chouimat: connection sharing is bad, i think |
| 23:52:06 | chouimat | nadav: I don't use winshit |
| 23:52:14 | nadav | heh |
| 23:52:17 | TheMasterMind1 | nadav: you should be able to just set ICS to on (connection settings for your internet connection, in the last tab, you can check a box) |
| 23:52:22 | TheMasterMind1 | and then set the gateway |
| 23:52:23 | imm | chouimat: any news :) ? |
| 23:52:24 | TheMasterMind1 | and it should work |
| 23:52:26 | nadav | TheMasterMind1: i know, did that. |
| 23:52:27 | TheMasterMind1 | i think |
| 23:52:32 | nadav | it SHOULD> |
| 23:52:32 | TheMasterMind1 | set the gateway? |
| 23:52:44 | nadav | on the Z? yeah |
| 23:53:06 | chouimat | imm: yes our health minister is an asshole :) |
| 23:53:17 | nadav | the Z talks to the box just fine, i can VNC etc. |
| 23:53:22 | nadav | it must be the sharing |
| 23:53:31 | imm | chouimat: funny news :) |
| 23:53:56 | imm | chouimat: did he spread virii over canada ? |
| 23:54:12 | chouimat | imm: that the reason why my mother is staying another year in switzerland :) |
| 23:54:44 | chouimat | imm: no, just send law officer to force doctor to work overshift in emergency rooms |
| 23:55:28 | imm | chouimat: thats not much better here |
| 23:56:12 | chouimat | imm: and when the doctor do his fourth shift in a row ... |
| 23:56:42 | chouimat | imm and he must go do another one 200km away :) |
| 23:57:46 | imm | chouimat: thats pretty much the distance from one side of switzerland to the other :) |
| 23:58:12 | chouimat | imm: just look the size of quebec on a map :) |
| 23:59:33 | imm | chouimat: how hot is it in canada in summer ? |
| 23:59:54 | chouimat | imm: here when we say that the next gaz station is near that mean 25KM :) |
