| 00:00:01 | ivan | what's loderunner? |
| 00:00:05 | Shayde | game. |
| 00:00:09 | Shayde | -ooooold- game. |
| 00:00:09 | ivan | i don't like tkc's XP icons |
| 00:00:11 | ivan | it's lame |
| 00:00:20 | ivan | i don't want windows, that's why there's a zaurus |
| 00:00:21 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde: apparently, the author of tkcLoadRunner and eLoadRunner is the same person |
| 00:00:32 | Shayde | TheMasterMind1: huh. i wonder what tkc thinks about that |
| 00:00:52 | Shayde | i've been hyper-annoyed at tkc for not doign 'demo' versions of all the stuff they've been posting to zsi. i bet they'd get 2x the number of downloads/runs. |
| 00:01:02 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 00:01:02 | Shayde | and probalby 50%x the number of purchases. |
| 00:01:04 | TheMasterMind1 | ask BigBoss |
| 00:01:05 | TheMasterMind1 | he owns tkc |
| 00:01:15 | Shayde | nudges bigboss. |
| 00:01:30 | Shayde | nudges him in /msgs too. only been idle 30 minutes. |
| 00:01:41 | kryhme | is downloading debian |
| 00:01:42 | Shayde | hmm. new version of zmame. mmmmm. |
| 00:01:58 | Shayde | so, ya'll see that ZSI is being mirrored into ZSI2 now? |
| 00:02:05 | Shayde | only updates once a day, but its mirroring. |
| 00:02:16 | hobbs | 30 minutes? wow, it only seemed to be 2 seconds ago. |
| 00:02:18 | TheMasterMind1 | where is zsi2? |
| 00:02:30 | Shayde | temporarily in my work directory. http://www.homeport.org/~shevett/zsi2/ |
| 00:02:38 | Shayde | it'll eventually move to most likely www.stonekeep.com/zsi2/ |
| 00:02:54 | Shayde | note - its still being developed :) the 'submit' stuff is not working yet. |
| 00:03:07 | TheMasterMind1 | more "latest updates" + more "top #" = good |
| 00:03:17 | Shayde | that was the #1 reason i started coding zsi2. :) |
| 00:03:17 | TheMasterMind1 | and imho, top # shouldn't be based on days.. you could have a total top # |
| 00:03:25 | Shayde | uhh. |
| 00:03:28 | Shayde | its total count, not days. |
| 00:03:40 | Shayde | SELECT * FROM apps LIMIT 100 :) |
| 00:03:56 | TheMasterMind1 | whatever. |
| 00:03:59 | kryhme | is watching german lesson videos on the educational channel |
| 00:04:03 | TheMasterMind1 | its count/days |
| 00:04:08 | TheMasterMind1 | so newer apps show up |
| 00:04:09 | kryhme | and downloading debian |
| 00:04:10 | TheMasterMind1 | something like that |
| 00:04:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't think right now |
| 00:04:17 | TheMasterMind1 | and oop sucks |
| 00:04:33 | Shayde | scootches themaster some scotch. |
| 00:04:40 | hobbs | not always. but PHP OO is absolutely not for use by anyone. |
| 00:04:42 | Shayde | man is my mozilla hosed. |
| 00:04:50 | Shayde | hobbs: ZSI2 is all written in PHP OOP. :) |
| 00:04:56 | Shayde | well, mostly. |
| 00:05:19 | TheMasterMind1 | the only oop that's any good is ruby |
| 00:05:26 | TheMasterMind1 | all other oop i've seen is total shit |
| 00:05:30 | Shayde | heh |
| 00:05:33 | treke|home | PHP OOP is improving :) |
| 00:06:00 | Shayde | all the HTML in ZSI2 is oop. $foo = new Box(); $foo->addRow("This is a row in the table"); echo $foo->dump() ; |
| 00:06:02 | hobbs | for PHP, though, it's usually better to think OO and code procedural. Especially with call_user_func() and friends. |
| 00:06:02 | Shayde | stuff like that. |
| 00:06:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but that gets REALLY ugly when you have complex tables and stuff |
| 00:07:02 | Shayde | dammit. sometimes my mozilla goes into "I won't reload for shit" mode. i have to force reloads. |
| 00:07:12 | TheMasterMind1 | tables inside tables, cells that spam multiple colums and rows |
| 00:07:20 | erikd | hey, quick question |
| 00:07:26 | erikd | does opie have an image viewer? |
| 00:07:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think its worth it |
| 00:07:31 | TheMasterMind1 | erikd: yes |
| 00:07:31 | Pen | guys I have this problem when the z powers off, and I was in console VI... it stops the process... still in the ps list, so I kill it, then I try again and the file is 'busy' |
| 00:07:32 | Shayde | TheMasterMind1: i've built a decent lib called htmlhelpers that al the rendering in ZSI2 is done in. so far its working pretty well. aint the be all end all though :) |
| 00:07:32 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-showimg |
| 00:07:35 | erikd | thanks |
| 00:07:36 | Pen | rebooting doesn't help |
| 00:07:46 | Shayde | 'busy'? |
| 00:07:50 | Shayde | what is saying busy? |
| 00:07:56 | TheMasterMind1 | delete the vim swap file |
| 00:08:06 | Shayde | .filename.swp |
| 00:08:07 | Pen | the file is busy |
| 00:08:15 | Pen | as in in use |
| 00:08:21 | TheMasterMind1 | rm .filename.swp |
| 00:08:27 | Shayde | yes, i got that far, pen. but -what- is saying the file is busy? 'vim'? |
| 00:08:33 | darwin | TheMasterMind1: Hey, to use your feed, do I need that initrd.bin? |
| 00:08:33 | Shayde | (or in this case 'vi')? |
| 00:08:35 | Pen | vi |
| 00:08:40 | Shayde | aha. delete the swap file :) |
| 00:08:44 | TheMasterMind1 | darwin: nope. |
| 00:08:52 | Shayde | or maybe 'vi -r' might work. not sure. |
| 00:08:53 | TheMasterMind1 | the initrd includes the things in that feed though |
| 00:08:54 | Pen | where are the swp files located? |
| 00:09:00 | Shayde | same dir as where you were editing. |
| 00:09:00 | TheMasterMind1 | Pen: same dir as the file |
| 00:09:30 | Pen | can't be.. I've got one busy in /etc |
| 00:09:37 | Pen | which afaik is ROM |
| 00:09:44 | Shayde | ./etc is not rom. |
| 00:09:51 | Shayde | you can edit files in it. |
| 00:09:57 | Pen | oh |
| 00:10:00 | Pen | k give me a few then |
| 00:10:41 | TheMasterMind1 | if its a ROM, how the hell were you editing it? |
| 00:10:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ;D |
| 00:10:47 | Shayde | :) |
| 00:11:06 | hobbs | you can "edit" a file read-only in vim. you just can't save. |
| 00:11:17 | Shayde | quibbler. |
| 00:11:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:11:30 | TheMasterMind1 | it will bitch at you with the first edit you make |
| 00:11:34 | TheMasterMind1 | file is readonly! |
| 00:11:38 | TheMasterMind1 | stop editing whore! |
| 00:11:45 | kryhme | ich fahre morgen zum Polezi |
| 00:11:45 | hobbs | and put it in the status, on load. :) |
| 00:11:56 | hobbs | vim is teh b3st. |
| 00:14:06 | Pen | /root/.profile is busy (no not /home/root/.profile) and no .profile.swp in that dir |
| 00:14:25 | Pen | or ..profile.swp whichever |
| 00:14:34 | Shayde | mmm. does vim have a tmpdir? |
| 00:14:57 | Pen | that would be something I'd ask =-) I checked /proc and found nothing useful |
| 00:15:08 | Shayde | try /var/tmp and the like |
| 00:15:15 | Shayde | did you try 'vi -r' ? |
| 00:15:50 | Pen | "Use the 'virec' program to recover lost files" |
| 00:15:57 | Pen | it's not really lost per say... =-x |
| 00:16:13 | Shayde | yeah, but vi -r is a 'recovery' that can recover a crashed vim session |
| 00:16:35 | Pen | and not in /var/tmp |
| 00:16:40 | Pen | ok I'll try virec |
| 00:16:56 | Shayde | wishes his friggin wireless worked. |
| 00:17:01 | Shayde | having to ssh via a docked usb connection blows. |
| 00:17:08 | Pen | ermm no virec.. |
| 00:17:18 | KeyserSoze | hmmm. i've got 3 machines plugged into a switch. the cable modem is plugged in to the same switch. they all use DHCP. they all route all network traffic (even to each other) through the cable modem (as verified by traceroute). |
| 00:17:38 | Shayde | switches have nothing to do with routing. |
| 00:17:41 | Shayde | just fyi. |
| 00:18:10 | Pen | next idea? =-( |
| 00:18:36 | Shayde | <windows_answer> reload from distribution </> |
| 00:18:45 | KeyserSoze | maybe I shouldn't have said 'route'. but when I traceroute from one to another, it takes two steps, and the second step is some 10.x.x.x ip address, while all my machines have 12.245.x.x |
| 00:18:48 | Pen | heh |
| 00:19:02 | Pen | I found a fix to cp it to another file, rm the original, cp it back |
| 00:19:21 | Pen | but when I do that on /root/.profile it says Read-only File system |
| 00:19:29 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde: what wireless crd? |
| 00:19:36 | Pen | so that's why I figured it was a ROM thing |
| 00:19:37 | KeyserSoze | why can't my machines realize they are plugged into the same switch, and just talk directly to each other? |
| 00:19:49 | Shayde | i have a NetGear card, and it just wedges the machine -really- badly when i try to use it. had to hard-reset at one point. |
| 00:20:02 | Shayde | KeyserSoze: you have a routing problem. |
| 00:20:23 | ZhEN | is away: partay..again ;-) |
| 00:20:24 | Shayde | the machiens don't know that the local network for 12.245.mumble is the local interface, so they're trign to route elsewhere. |
| 00:20:32 | Pen | this is pretty useless if every vi session ends up with busy files if it times out =-( |
| 00:20:38 | Shayde | don't time out :) |
| 00:20:42 | KeyserSoze | one machine is winXP. one is win98. one is the linux machine I am using right now. |
| 00:20:44 | Shayde | has answers for everything. |
| 00:20:45 | Pen | it's a PDA, it does that |
| 00:20:51 | MagiCs | lololololololololoololollolololl |
| 00:21:03 | TheMasterMind1 | que? |
| 00:21:10 | TheMasterMind1 | porque sonries? |
| 00:21:17 | MagiCs | TheMasterMind1 ? |
| 00:21:18 | MagiCs | eres español ? |
| 00:21:18 | Shayde | wait, 12.245.whatever? wtf is that? |
| 00:21:22 | Shayde | you said you have a cable modem? |
| 00:21:29 | KeyserSoze | yup. AT&T cable. |
| 00:21:33 | Shayde | why are you using 12.245.mumble for a subnet? |
| 00:21:44 | TheMasterMind1 | MagiCs: no, pero puedo hablar la lengua |
| 00:21:50 | | i guess George is fuck shit dildo |
| 00:21:50 | chouimat | ibot George |
| 00:21:55 | TheMasterMind1 | estoy tomando mi cuatro ano de espanol |
| 00:21:56 | Shayde | heh |
| 00:21:59 | KeyserSoze | Shayde: I don't have a choice. that's what the cable modem uses. |
| 00:22:09 | Shayde | yes, but the cable modem, i'm suspecting, only has one address, right? |
| 00:22:09 | KeyserSoze | all three machines have IP addresses from AT&T. |
| 00:22:09 | Pen | welp if no go on that problem, I have one more.... I installed openssh 1.2.3 ... it says the protocol is 1.5/2 |
| 00:22:19 | Pen | I added Protocol 2 in the conf... and it borks |
| 00:22:19 | Shayde | you're routing a full subnet through your cable modem? how? |
| 00:22:19 | MagiCs | TheMasterMind1 Mola ;) |
| 00:22:21 | MagiCs | jejej |
| 00:22:26 | Pen | so how do I do p2 only? |
| 00:22:27 | MagiCs | Yo si soy español !! :P |
| 00:22:28 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? que es mola? |
| 00:22:31 | hobbs | TheMasterMind1: hehe, I know what you mean. :) |
| 00:22:37 | MagiCs | mola = cool, good !! |
| 00:22:40 | KeyserSoze | I had a linksys router there before, giving everyone 192.168.mumble, but the router got buggy and my GF removed it. |
| 00:22:43 | Shayde | as far as i know, AT&T only provides the cable modem IP address, and that's it. where are you getting the others? |
| 00:22:43 | hobbs | I took 5 years, and it's barely good for anything. |
| 00:22:49 | Shayde | hang on. |
| 00:22:53 | hobbs | MagiCs: aaah. I was thinking mole. :) |
| 00:23:06 | KeyserSoze | Shayde: cableModem -> switch -> all my machines. |
| 00:23:10 | Pen | version < 2 on ssh is not good =-( |
| 00:23:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:23:13 | MagiCs | hahah hobbs !! |
| 00:23:14 | MagiCs | :P |
| 00:23:18 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze: sounds like a bad setupd |
| 00:23:21 | KeyserSoze | they all get IP addresses from AT&T's dhcp server. |
| 00:23:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:23:39 | TheMasterMind1 | so for a box to access another |
| 00:23:40 | Shayde | KeyserSoze: spiffy. you're fucked up though... unless the cable modem is routing for your subnet, you only have one ip address... |
| 00:23:43 | TheMasterMind1 | it has to go to the modem |
| 00:23:43 | KeyserSoze | TheMasterMind1: it is a bad setup. I don't have a firewall. please don't hack me :) |
| 00:23:47 | TheMasterMind1 | out to at&t's servers |
| 00:23:50 | TheMasterMind1 | then come back |
| 00:23:57 | TheMasterMind1 | and to the other box |
| 00:24:00 | TheMasterMind1 | no wonder stuff is fucking up |
| 00:24:20 | TheMasterMind1 | you should just have one ip and use ipmasq |
| 00:24:33 | TheMasterMind1 | keep your internet and internel networks seperate |
| 00:24:35 | TheMasterMind1 | and firewalled |
| 00:25:38 | KeyserSoze | TheMasterMind1: yes. my router crapped out, and I yanked it, giving the configuration I have now. |
| 00:25:45 | Shayde | hands the reins to themastermind1. you're on the case. |
| 00:26:44 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf bullshit is this |
| 00:26:49 | TheMasterMind1 | amd to support palladium? |
| 00:27:13 | treke|home | read the articles and no the /. headline |
| 00:28:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ofcourse |
| 00:28:54 | TheMasterMind1 | damn whores |
| 00:28:57 | KeyserSoze | what if you have an AMD with a non ms os? |
| 00:29:04 | KeyserSoze | then it won't matter, right? |
| 00:29:24 | TheMasterMind1 | It is envisaged that once the TCPA system is fully functioning, our PCs would quietly report to authorities any unauthorised content on our machines. PCs and other devices would also refuse to play content, such as a music CD, tied to another device, and may be instructed by a remote server to delete information from the owner's hard drive. |
| 00:29:24 | KeyserSoze | it sucks that AMD is being MS's bitch, but it won't hurt linux users. |
| 00:29:37 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze: it would matter, because its hardware level |
| 00:29:38 | TheMasterMind1 | not software |
| 00:29:43 | TheMasterMind1 | you wouldn't be able to run linux on it |
| 00:29:46 | TheMasterMind1 | if ms had their way |
| 00:30:01 | TheMasterMind1 | But he says AMD believes that these technologies should be "opt-in" - that the user should control it - not government mandates. |
| 00:30:04 | TheMasterMind1 | the but clause |
| 00:30:52 | TheMasterMind1 | linux would be unauthorized software and wouldn't run on the damn processor |
| 00:30:55 | TheMasterMind1 | initially anyway |
| 00:31:24 | TheMasterMind1 | a month later, microsofts shitty programming will be figured out and a way around it will appear |
| 00:31:28 | TheMasterMind1 | points to xbox |
| 00:31:44 | TheMasterMind1 | and dvds too |
| 00:32:00 | KeyserSoze | i don't know. from what I've read, it seems as if the OS will have to use the features available in the hardware for palladium to work. |
| 00:32:54 | KeyserSoze | i mean, if the machine lets you boot linux, then you are home-free. |
| 00:33:15 | KeyserSoze | and i don't think AMD is going to stop people from using non-MS os's |
| 00:33:53 | TheMasterMind1 | http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/down/The Middle Message-1a.pdf |
| 00:33:55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:33:56 | TheMasterMind1 | great stuff |
| 00:34:18 | TheMasterMind1 | very interesting read |
| 00:34:31 | Cloudchaser | KeyserSoze: you realize by using your isp's subnet you are vulnerable to any network virus that's circulating on their network? |
| 00:34:46 | jmhodges | lol sweet TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:34:48 | KeyserSoze | Cloudchaser: yes. |
| 00:34:53 | jmhodges | i want an xbox now |
| 00:34:53 | sambatron | konqueror doesn't install on my Z, it gives a panik, any clue ? |
| 00:35:02 | Shayde | run opera :) |
| 00:35:11 | sambatron | opera on openzaurus ? |
| 00:36:27 | TheMasterMind1 | what oz version et all? |
| 00:36:55 | sambatron | opie 0.9.1 |
| 00:37:27 | TheMasterMind1 | what's the oz build day? |
| 00:37:38 | TheMasterMind1 | or have you updated from feed since flashing? |
| 00:37:40 | sambatron | 6 Aug |
| 00:37:46 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 00:37:48 | TheMasterMind1 | old. |
| 00:37:48 | sambatron | I have updated |
| 00:38:08 | sambatron | do I need a new feed ? |
| 00:38:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno |
| 00:38:28 | TheMasterMind1 | oz is not doing to well right now |
| 00:38:31 | TheMasterMind1 | just wait a bit |
| 00:38:36 | TheMasterMind1 | stuff is getting fixed etc |
| 00:38:41 | treke|home | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=554 |
| 00:38:47 | treke|home | uhm, what is the point? :) |
| 00:38:57 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: its so kickass |
| 00:38:59 | MagiCs | lololol |
| 00:39:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i installed it on my laptop |
| 00:39:10 | TheMasterMind1 | and its even cooler on the Z |
| 00:39:14 | TheMasterMind1 | showoff time |
| 00:42:19 | sambatron | I'd like to help on the OZ project |
| 00:42:30 | sambatron | where should I go ? |
| 00:42:31 | KeyserSoze | hey, how do you get a terminal on the non-OZ zaurus? |
| 00:42:32 | sambatron | :) |
| 00:42:39 | treke|home | sambatron: I have some ideas |
| 00:42:44 | KeyserSoze | (and what do i call the OS on a zaurus, before I put OZ on?) |
| 00:43:00 | sambatron | treke: you tell me |
| 00:43:08 | TheMasterMind1 | that's the sharprom |
| 00:43:13 | TheMasterMind1 | and there's a terminal ipk |
| 00:43:21 | TheMasterMind1 | sambatron: can you code? |
| 00:43:25 | sambatron | sure |
| 00:43:30 | treke|home | dont think sambatron got the itended tone of that statement |
| 00:43:32 | TheMasterMind1 | in c/c++ ? |
| 00:43:39 | sambatron | yep |
| 00:43:49 | KeyserSoze | is the terminal ipk on a CD that comes with the zaurus? |
| 00:43:49 | TheMasterMind1 | do you have much experience? |
| 00:43:55 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze: maybe |
| 00:43:57 | sambatron | pretty much |
| 00:44:01 | KeyserSoze | will check |
| 00:44:02 | KeyserSoze | thanks. |
| 00:44:25 | TheMasterMind1 | sambatron: ok, download bitkeeper (bitkeeper.com) |
| 00:44:30 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno if you've heard of it |
| 00:44:32 | TheMasterMind1 | its like cvs |
| 00:44:41 | TheMasterMind1 | you can grab a copy of the oz buildroot and get familiar with it |
| 00:44:47 | TheMasterMind1 | and maybe start porting makefiles over |
| 00:45:06 | sambatron | I'll take a look at it, what's the oz repo ? |
| 00:45:26 | TheMasterMind1 | http://openzaurus.bkbikts.net/buildroot |
| 00:45:29 | | somebody said oz bk was bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; make config; make; |
| 00:45:29 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz bk |
| 00:45:45 | MagiCs | sambatron Joer.. como te cuidan tio.. |
| 00:45:46 | MagiCs | :* |
| 00:49:24 | | i guess sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 00:49:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot sex |
| 00:49:54 | sambatron | X'D |
| 00:50:01 | sambatron | that's pretty cool |
| 00:50:05 | MagiCs | hahahah |
| 00:50:25 | MagiCs | x'DDDD |
| 00:54:32 | sambatron | is bitkeeper comercial ? |
| 00:54:49 | treke|home | sambatron: yup |
| 00:55:02 | MagiCs | sambatron Que significa yup , si ? |
| 00:55:14 | sambatron | why using a commercial product ?! |
| 00:55:22 | treke|home | sambatron: because its good? |
| 00:55:35 | sambatron | that's not enough :) subversion is also good |
| 01:03:52 | TheMasterMind1 | MagiCs: si, yup = yes = yea = si |
| 01:04:09 | TheMasterMind1 | sambatron: bitkeeper is the best |
| 01:04:13 | TheMasterMind1 | even linus uses it for the kernel |
| 01:04:34 | MagiCs | thx TheMasterMind1 |
| 01:04:49 | TheMasterMind1 | everyone hates the license though |
| 01:04:51 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 01:04:53 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 01:09:34 | MagiCs | Ya... viendo el source de ejemplo y... nah no me mola.. prefiero codearlo a lo grosso... asi aprendo más.. el problema es que nunca me acuerdo de las estructuras.. son tanas.... |
| 01:09:39 | MagiCs | ARggss |
| 01:09:40 | MagiCs | Sorry again |
| 01:13:04 | Pen | anyone know how to make openssh 1.2.3 accept protocol 2 only? |
| 01:13:47 | ljp | bk sux rox |
| 01:14:22 | treke|home | Pen: you cant |
| 01:14:31 | treke|home | Pen: openssh 1.2.3 doesnt speak ssh2 |
| 01:14:45 | Pen | it does too ;-) ssh -v => 1.5/2 |
| 01:14:49 | Pen | unless I read it wrong |
| 01:15:02 | treke|home | unless I'm rememering things wrong |
| 01:15:07 | treke|home | havent used 1.2.3 for a while :) |
| 01:15:18 | Pen | nothing newer is there? |
| 01:15:38 | treke|home | many newer versions |
| 01:15:45 | Pen | for the z? |
| 01:15:46 | Cloudchaser | i got ssh from killefiz and i believe it only does ssh 2 |
| 01:15:50 | treke|home | they are on 3.4 now |
| 01:15:58 | Pen | in like a week?? |
| 01:16:01 | Cloudchaser | unless you edit it |
| 01:16:01 | Pen | shit =-P |
| 01:16:13 | treke|home | s1.2.3 is ancient :) |
| 01:16:20 | Pen | hm |
| 01:16:23 | Pen | how odd |
| 01:16:54 | sambatron | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/stamps/.ipkg-x86.sourcetree', needed by `/home/jorge/prog/zaurus/oz/buildroot-oz/stamps/.ipkg-x86.binary'. Stop. |
| 01:17:03 | sambatron | TheMasterMind1 : I get that for make |
| 01:17:17 | sambatron | after installing bitkeeper, and doing all that stuff |
| 01:17:41 | TheMasterMind1 | did you make config ? |
| 01:17:44 | TheMasterMind1 | and bk get |
| 01:17:45 | sambatron | yep |
| 01:17:51 | sambatron | bk get ? |
| 01:17:52 | TheMasterMind1 | cd buildroot; |
| 01:17:54 | TheMasterMind1 | bk get |
| 01:17:56 | TheMasterMind1 | bk pull |
| 01:18:05 | TheMasterMind1 | make config |
| 01:18:05 | TheMasterMind1 | make |
| 01:18:20 | treke|home | Pen: It was out March 25 2000 at the latest :) |
| 01:18:39 | sambatron | same thing |
| 01:18:59 | Pen | hey now I just got it a few days ago |
| 01:20:08 | Pen | kiliefiz needs some mirrors =-s |
| 01:20:21 | jmhodges | eeek |
| 01:20:31 | jmhodges | i cant get my Z on the net |
| 01:20:39 | jmhodges | i run my happy lil script |
| 01:20:43 | jmhodges | and when it gets to |
| 01:21:07 | jmhodges | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:21:19 | jmhodges | it yells at me that ::: |
| 01:21:21 | jmhodges | ./zaurus.sh: line 6: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: No such file or directory |
| 01:21:30 | jmhodges | i found a /proc/net/ dir |
| 01:21:34 | jmhodges | and tried that |
| 01:21:37 | sambatron | TheMasterMind1 : I did that and have the same error message |
| 01:21:40 | jmhodges | but there was no ipv4 |
| 01:21:48 | jmhodges | so i rm'd that dir out of the path |
| 01:21:54 | jmhodges | but i just got the same error |
| 01:21:56 | jmhodges | :( |
| 01:22:03 | jmhodges | so i have no fscking clue what to do |
| 01:22:19 | sambatron | you rm'd the proc ? |
| 01:23:15 | TheMasterMind1 | sambatron: well, its borked |
| 01:23:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth (main oz guy) just redid the whole buildroot system |
| 01:23:34 | TheMasterMind1 | and we're trying to move the .mk's to the new format |
| 01:23:39 | TheMasterMind1 | and get everything working again |
| 01:23:44 | sambatron | probablyhow could I help on that ? |
| 01:23:47 | TheMasterMind1 | if you look at the file CONVERSION |
| 01:23:50 | sambatron | how could I help on that ? |
| 01:23:54 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll get a feel for stuff |
| 01:24:02 | TheMasterMind1 | packages/need_conversion is a list |
| 01:24:05 | jmhodges | sambatron: no :) that ipv4 dir in the path i was trying to use |
| 01:24:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i've done libtool and working on opie/qte so don't do those |
| 01:24:17 | TheMasterMind1 | um |
| 01:24:24 | TheMasterMind1 | you can look at packages/ |
| 01:24:27 | sambatron | give me one to work on... |
| 01:24:30 | TheMasterMind1 | each thing has its own package |
| 01:25:06 | TheMasterMind1 | sambatron: hmm, ok. try tmake, that should be easy |
| 01:25:17 | TheMasterMind1 | or not |
| 01:25:18 | sambatron | perfect |
| 01:25:21 | Pen | ok guys, my bad I did mean 3.2.3 |
| 01:25:22 | sambatron | tell me |
| 01:25:24 | Pen | not 1.2.3 |
| 01:25:25 | TheMasterMind1 | that doesn't have an original Makefile that works |
| 01:25:27 | | Ask me about SL-5600 instead |
| 01:25:27 | treke|home | ibot, 5600? |
| 01:25:28 | TheMasterMind1 | don't do that |
| 01:25:35 | | i guess sl-5600 is the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. or the next US model to be released |
| 01:25:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot sl-5600 |
| 01:25:37 | Pen | so I do have the up to date openssh |
| 01:25:48 | treke|home | Pen: better, not the lasted but reasonably up to date |
| 01:26:13 | sambatron | jmhodges : maybe your kernel does not support forwarding |
| 01:26:26 | Pen | that's what's on SF.. |
| 01:26:30 | TheMasterMind1 | sambatron: ok, fbvncserver |
| 01:26:36 | sambatron | perfect |
| 01:26:40 | jmhodges | sambatron: ah now that would be what i first thought |
| 01:26:41 | TheMasterMind1 | look at packages/fbvncserver/Makefile |
| 01:26:43 | TheMasterMind1 | that's in the old format |
| 01:26:45 | jmhodges | i thought "maybe i didnt get it |
| 01:26:48 | jmhodges | but then i checked |
| 01:26:55 | TheMasterMind1 | we have lists of commands defined |
| 01:26:58 | TheMasterMind1 | and those were execed |
| 01:27:00 | TheMasterMind1 | its changed now |
| 01:27:12 | TheMasterMind1 | read CONVERSION |
| 01:27:14 | sambatron | ok |
| 01:27:18 | TheMasterMind1 | and compare the makefile with libtool/ |
| 01:27:25 | TheMasterMind1 | or libjpeg62/ |
| 01:27:33 | TheMasterMind1 | or busybox |
| 01:27:43 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll need to copy a config.in over from one of those also |
| 01:27:55 | TheMasterMind1 | it should make sense.. ask if you need help with anything |
| 01:28:18 | jmhodges | CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT=y |
| 01:28:19 | jmhodges | CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_NEEDED=y |
| 01:28:42 | jmhodges | CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=y |
| 01:28:51 | jmhodges | CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REDIRECT=y |
| 01:28:57 | TheMasterMind1 | pcmcia-cs's Makefile is a good one to work off of |
| 01:29:38 | sambatron | I'm taking a look at it |
| 01:29:49 | jmhodges | oh and that NAT_LOCAL one as well |
| 01:29:54 | jmhodges | btw this is 19 |
| 01:29:59 | jmhodges | er .19 |
| 01:32:05 | sambatron | jmhodges that's not forwarding support |
| 01:32:23 | jmhodges | well.. ok |
| 01:32:27 | jmhodges | crap |
| 01:32:27 | jmhodges | gtg |
| 01:45:54 | | Test cancelled. |
| 01:45:54 | ljp | ibot: test |
| 01:58:49 | myuu | who uses OZ? |
| 01:59:24 | sambatron | me |
| 01:59:51 | myuu | how do you get into the console, instead of OPIE? |
| 02:00:08 | sambatron | /etc/init.d/opie stop |
| 02:00:16 | myuu | coo |
| 02:00:33 | myuu | any good sites for roms? |
| 02:00:52 | Pen | http://www.geocrawler.com/mail/msg.php3?msg_id=8809954&list=18496 , this relates to my problem |
| 02:01:00 | Pen | but how do I run 'TERM = TTY vi functions' |
| 02:01:05 | Pen | that just opens up a vi session |
| 02:02:17 | TheMasterMind1 | myuu: what rom? |
| 02:02:49 | myuu | nothing specific....maybe one that runs X or off the SD |
| 02:09:02 | noda | Moo! :) |
| 02:09:41 | Pen | cool |
| 02:09:44 | TheMasterMind1 | bitch! |
| 02:09:53 | Pen | /tmp/ has some elvaosdifhasodi looking files |
| 02:10:03 | Pen | I rm'd all of those, and all my files are unlocked |
| 02:14:08 | myuu | anyone try debian on the z? |
| 02:14:57 | Pen | now if I can just force open ssh to use protocol v2 =-) it'd be a good night |
| 02:16:59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:17:01 | TheMasterMind1 | what rom? |
| 02:17:05 | TheMasterMind1 | oz has ssh built in |
| 02:17:18 | TheMasterMind1 | scp/sftp and all |
| 02:18:58 | myuu | i experiment too much |
| 02:19:08 | Pen | sharp's next to last |
| 02:19:08 | myuu | anyone use X on there Z? |
| 02:19:19 | Pen | the 'green' stricker box edition |
| 02:19:42 | Pen | I installed openssh2.3.2 and it supports protocol 2, but it won't let me add "Protocol 2" to the config |
| 02:19:58 | Pen | so it does 1.5 or 2, whichever connects |
| 02:27:37 | iamsancho | iamsancho |
| 02:28:06 | iamsancho | sanchosanchosancho |
| 02:28:13 | iamsancho | sancho can salsa |
| 02:29:11 | iamsancho | quits salsaing |
| 02:45:22 | | oz bk is probably bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; make config; make; |
| 02:45:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz bk |
| 02:56:31 | code_pupil | is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] |
| 03:00:22 | code_pupil | anyone know why when i try to install the kismet ipk there is no package ? |
| 03:08:35 | kagemusha | fuck, my zaue=rus won't fully boot, just stops at the white please wait screen |
| 03:08:47 | kagemusha | ^zaurus |
| 03:10:55 | myuu | got an sd card? |
| 03:12:03 | kagemusha | me ? |
| 03:12:19 | jbardin | anyone know howto change the style of a combobox? |
| 03:12:36 | jbardin | so it looks 'recessed' like a QLineEdit rather than outdented |
| 03:12:52 | myuu | ya |
| 03:12:57 | kagemusha | nope |
| 03:12:59 | kagemusha | why? |
| 03:13:01 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 03:13:32 | myuu | sd card can cause that |
| 03:13:54 | kagemusha | that's not the cause |
| 03:14:35 | kagemusha | I'm stupid^ |
| 03:14:46 | kagemusha | of course it's not the cause |
| 03:17:39 | kagemusha | what zImage should I use for OZ? |
| 03:18:18 | kryhme | code: you using OZ, or the regular sharp rom |
| 03:18:21 | myuu | =\ |
| 03:18:50 | nadav | hope i get my Z back on monday or tuesday |
| 03:19:42 | kryhme | code: if you're installing the kismet ipkg by clicking on it, it's gonna mess up. you need to install it from the command line 'ipkg install kismet.ipk' |
| 03:23:10 | AAA- | is the oz feed updating? |
| 03:23:14 | code_pupil | kryhme: you're a Z savior :-) |
| 03:23:34 | AAA- | I noticed there are only a few ipk's in there ATM |
| 03:23:44 | | feeds is probably listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 03:23:44 | AAA- | ibot feeds |
| 03:23:51 | kryhme | yeah, kismet is the shiznat |
| 03:24:01 | myuu | where is the rom that uses the sd as root? |
| 03:24:05 | | i guess java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 03:24:05 | badalex | ibot java |
| 03:24:29 | | badalex: what? |
| 03:24:29 | badalex | ibot evm |
| 03:24:31 | badalex | hrm |
| 03:30:11 | kryhme | myuu, does such a rom exist? |
| 03:31:10 | jbardin | anyone know howto count the number of items in a list box that matches a string? |
| 03:31:12 | myuu | ya |
| 03:33:07 | myuu | got icewm working on it =) |
| 03:34:43 | Pen | anyone got pico working? |
| 03:34:59 | Pen | I installed it and it couldn't find ncurses5, so I installed it... |
| 03:35:04 | kryhme | let me know if you find it |
| 03:35:07 | Pen | but it tried to install to the ROM area =-/ |
| 03:35:34 | Pen | I don't know how to fake pico into looking for ncurses in a new area |
| 03:35:39 | Pen | since it wasn't src |
| 03:36:40 | kryhme | should i learn python |
| 03:36:44 | kryhme | is it worth my time? |
| 03:38:33 | AAA- | so is the oz feed going away? |
| 03:39:01 | treke|home | AAA-: no, why? |
| 03:39:06 | | kismet is http://www.kismetwireless.net/ |
| 03:39:06 | AAA- | ibot kismet |
| 03:39:24 | AAA- | treke cause it seems like there are very few pkg's on the fee |
| 03:39:28 | AAA- | feed |
| 03:39:41 | treke|home | AAA-: oz is getting a major retooling |
| 03:39:47 | AAA- | ah |
| 03:39:52 | AAA- | I though that might be it |
| 03:40:01 | AAA- | asked that a second ago |
| 03:40:07 | treke|home | ah |
| 03:40:13 | kryhme | if i install minIDE and Python 2.2 could i write programs and compile them directly from minIDE? |
| 03:40:23 | treke|home | new build system, I dont iopie is being built yet |
| 03:40:27 | | feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 03:40:27 | treke|home | ibot, feeds? |
| 03:40:30 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 03:40:30 | treke|home | ibot, feed? |
| 03:40:48 | ivan | t? |
| 03:41:10 | AAA- | I am upgrading to opiecvs ATM |
| 03:41:18 | AAA- | but there is no kismet ipk :( |
| 03:41:26 | treke|home | kismet isnt part of opie |
| 03:41:33 | AAA- | I build one from kismet cvs but I haven't made it work yet |
| 03:41:43 | AAA- | I realize that |
| 03:41:52 | AAA- | those are _only_ opie ipk's? |
| 03:42:01 | AAA- | kismet used to be on the oz feed |
| 03:42:11 | treke|home | the opiecvs feed should only be opie |
| 03:42:33 | AAA- | ah ok |
| 03:42:47 | AAA- | what feed do you reccommend for now? |
| 03:42:56 | AAA- | zz? |
| 03:45:18 | AAA- | hey OMG |
| 03:45:25 | kryhme | what is the difference between python and pyQt |
| 03:45:31 | AAA- | that upgrade fix my wlan issue heh |
| 03:52:55 | Pen | anyone know the specs of the 5600? |
| 03:53:15 | Pen | not finding it on any site =-/ (english searchable anyways) |
| 04:08:34 | kryhme | should i learn python or java? |
| 04:10:04 | myuu | perl =} |
| 04:10:26 | myuu | havent heard of the 5600 |
| 04:10:53 | myuu | the next zaurus seems to be the a00 |
| 04:11:01 | myuu | *a400 i think |
| 04:11:27 | treke | myuu: its the 5600 last I checked |
| 04:11:27 | oGMo | i thought the 5600 was TheMasterMind1's joke :P |
| 04:11:37 | treke | the a300 is the japanese one |
| 04:11:49 | treke | oGMo: no, being released in early november ( 1st I thin) |
| 04:12:08 | oGMo | treke: that soon?! |
| 04:12:16 | treke | yup |
| 04:12:18 | oGMo | last i heard there weren't even specs |
| 04:12:25 | oGMo | it was vaporous vapor |
| 04:12:28 | myuu | my eth over usb stopped working |
| 04:12:38 | treke | there arent released specs other than 400mhz xscale and 32mb rom |
| 04:12:52 | myuu | i cant wait for the yopy 3500 |
| 04:12:57 | oGMo | treke: the 32 megs of rom will rock |
| 04:13:14 | treke | 32 is nice :) |
| 04:13:29 | nadav | heh |
| 04:13:31 | nadav | !quote 29 |
| 04:13:32 | treke | although rumor has it that it wont be xscale optimized |
| 04:13:33 | nadav | oops |
| 04:13:34 | nadav | wrong chan |
| 04:13:38 | myuu | its has 128m of memory =) |
| 04:15:01 | oGMo | treke: that ought to be easy to fix in OZ though |
| 04:15:22 | oGMo | man, 32 megs of rom, that's a crapload of apps |
| 04:15:26 | kagemusha_ | how do I get a linksys wcf 12 wireless card working with OZ? |
| 04:15:34 | oGMo | you could get X on there and not even notice |
| 04:15:47 | treke | yup. I can fit most everything I want on 32meg s :) |
| 04:16:37 | treke | I think opie-complete will fit on it |
| 04:16:57 | oGMo | treke: they need a really solid tiny object model and scripting language |
| 04:17:12 | oGMo | the Z would rival a tricorder ;) |
| 04:17:31 | treke | they need better pim apps first :) |
| 04:18:51 | myuu | lol i was running around my school warwalking |
| 04:19:02 | myuu | people were looking at me odd |
| 04:19:09 | myuu | then i realized... |
| 04:19:21 | myuu | it looked like i had a tricorder |
| 04:20:39 | oGMo | myuu: hehe |
| 04:35:08 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 59:05:41) |
| 04:52:15 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:52:49 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 04:52:59 | [DrEvil] | what have you done to buildroot |
| 04:53:14 | kergoth | changed it completely |
| 04:53:19 | kergoth | well not completely, but a fair bit |
| 04:53:23 | [DrEvil] | I see |
| 04:53:29 | [DrEvil] | that |
| 04:53:39 | kergoth | it uses make config/menuconfig/xconfig ala a kernel tree, as i'm sure you've noticed |
| 04:53:49 | kergoth | its got a few kinks to work out, but for the most part I think its an improvement |
| 04:54:38 | [DrEvil] | I tried xconfig and it didn't work |
| 04:54:58 | kergoth | works flawless here, and for everyone else who has tried it to date |
| 04:55:06 | kergoth | you need qt/x11 installed for it though |
| 04:55:44 | kergoth | I just uncovered a strange quirk in the ncurses build, i'm trying to work it out |
| 04:56:14 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 04:57:07 | [DrEvil] | which version of qt does it need? |
| 04:58:03 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: either 2.3.x or 3.x should be fine |
| 04:58:10 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: but.. you might need to set QTDIR |
| 04:58:16 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: whats the path to your qt libs and qt fonts? |
| 04:59:21 | [DrEvil] | /usr/lib/qt2 |
| 04:59:29 | [DrEvil] | /usr/lib/qt3 |
| 05:00:18 | kergoth | k, try setting QTDIR and doing make xconfig |
| 05:00:58 | noda | kergoth: I use qt-mt and it doesn't seem to work -- /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt |
| 05:01:31 | noda | 'make menuconfig' seems to do nothing too, which leaves me with 'make config' :( |
| 05:02:49 | [DrEvil] | I just got the same error for xconfig |
| 05:03:17 | noda | Most people probably have qt-mt and not qt (since KDE 3 needs qt-mt) |
| 05:05:51 | [DrEvil] | I'm using KDE3.1 |
| 05:05:51 | [DrEvil] | and I only have qt2 and qt2 |
| 05:05:51 | [DrEvil] | no qt-mt |
| 05:06:15 | noda | [DrEvil]: ls /usr/local/qt3/lib -- do you see "libqt.so.x" or "libqt-mt.so.x"? |
| 05:06:24 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: it doesnt use qt-mt |
| 05:06:53 | [DrEvil] | k |
| 05:07:00 | noda | kergoth: If I have qt-mt, what do I have to do - recompile a seperate QT just for this? |
| 05:07:23 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 05:07:37 | kergoth | noda: or see if you can change the makefile to link against libqt-mt, i've never tried such things |
| 05:07:41 | [DrEvil] | the libs are in /usr/lib/qt3/libs |
| 05:07:41 | [DrEvil] | dunno if that has anything to do with it |
| 05:07:45 | noda | kergoth: Tried, didn't work :( |
| 05:07:52 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: libs, not lib? |
| 05:08:28 | [DrEvil] | lib |
| 05:08:35 | [DrEvil] | /usr/lib/qt3/lib |
| 05:08:39 | kergoth | LXXFLAGS=$(LDFLAGS) -L$(QTDIR)/lib -Wl,-rpath,$(QTDIR)/lib |
| 05:08:48 | kergoth | thats the link flags |
| 05:08:55 | kergoth | so it looks in QTDIR/lib |
| 05:08:58 | kergoth | hm |
| 05:09:02 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: what error are you getting btw? |
| 05:09:05 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 05:09:17 | [DrEvil] | so then it should work |
| 05:09:17 | [DrEvil] | but it isn't |
| 05:09:26 | noda | Oh, hey, it does work. I must've been on crack before :) |
| 05:09:56 | [DrEvil] | g++ -L/usr/lib/qt3/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib/qt3/lib qconf.o lex.zconf.o zconf.tab.o confdata.o expr.o symbol.o menu.o -lqt -o qconf |
| 05:09:56 | [DrEvil] | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt |
| 05:09:56 | [DrEvil] | collect2: ld returned 1 exit s |
| 05:09:56 | [DrEvil] | is that -rpath right? |
| 05:09:57 | noda | kergoth: What's "Package install means (into image)"? |
| 05:10:19 | kergoth | noda: whether you want an image with preinstalled ipks, or just packages make install'd into the image |
| 05:10:23 | noda | [DrEvil]: Edit scripts/lkc/Makefile. Change the -lqt to -lqt-mt |
| 05:10:28 | kergoth | noda: the latter being like the sharp rom |
| 05:10:38 | noda | kergoth: And the former being like oz? |
| 05:10:45 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: is libqt.so in /usr/lib/qt3/lib? |
| 05:10:48 | kergoth | noda: correct |
| 05:11:00 | kergoth | noda: i went for as much configurability as possible |
| 05:11:03 | noda | prefers "Package" without a doubt :) |
| 05:11:22 | kergoth | too |
| 05:11:57 | noda | "Package type to install into image" -- that's closely related to the "Packaging form(s)" option above, right? (I'm confused since the defaults are different for both) |
| 05:12:00 | [DrEvil] | they are showing libqt-mt.so@ |
| 05:12:38 | noda | [DrEvil]: Edit scripts/lkc/Makefile. Change the -lqt to -lqt-mt |
| 05:12:46 | kergoth | noda: there's only one possible situation where that will be necessary |
| 05:13:04 | kergoth | noda: you could create an ipk, a deb, and a rpm from a given build, but then decide which of them to install into the image |
| 05:13:10 | [DrEvil] | there isn't a libqt.so in my copy of qt3 |
| 05:13:19 | kergoth | noda: i.e. build all types of packages for your use, but only use one in the image |
| 05:13:26 | noda | kergoth: Oh, neat. |
| 05:13:37 | kergoth | noda: currently only ipk is supported :) |
| 05:13:42 | noda | kergoth: Isn't it a bit weird to default to RPM then? :) |
| 05:13:50 | kergoth | noda: yeah, i keep forgetting to fix that default |
| 05:13:51 | [DrEvil] | noda: <kergoth> [DrEvil]: it doesnt use qt-mt |
| 05:14:04 | kergoth | what i meant was, it defaults linking to qt |
| 05:14:07 | noda | [DrEvil]: It works, trust me :) |
| 05:14:09 | kergoth | not qt-mt |
| 05:14:11 | kergoth | i havent tried linking it against qt-mt |
| 05:14:13 | kergoth | oh, good |
| 05:15:16 | noda | kergoth: However, now when I try to 'make' I get: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/stamps/.ipkg-x86.sourcetree', needed by `/mnt/hdb1/bk/buildroot-oz/stamps/.ipkg-x86.binary'. Stop. |
| 05:15:18 | [DrEvil] | it may work |
| 05:15:28 | [DrEvil] | but the buildroot should work for everyone |
| 05:15:32 | kergoth | noda: hm, thats interesting. cvs tree or bitkeeper tree? |
| 05:15:35 | noda | kergoth: bk |
| 05:15:42 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yes, I'll add more intelligence to the linking process |
| 05:15:53 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: for now, i swiped the existing makefile with the kernel config system |
| 05:16:02 | [DrEvil] | I'm going to try with qt2 |
| 05:16:13 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 05:16:13 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 05:16:37 | kergoth | noda: let me check somethign, i may have that fix but not pushed into the tree upstream |
| 05:16:51 | noda | kergoth: Oh, is CVS more recent? |
| 05:16:59 | kergoth | noda: no, bk is |
| 05:17:08 | noda | Oh. |
| 05:17:09 | kergoth | noda: cvs i sync up every couple days |
| 05:17:11 | kergoth | noda: though i should really automate it |
| 05:17:17 | kergoth | (the sync process i mean) |
| 05:17:29 | kergoth | noda: i've just done some tweaking this weekend that i havent had a chance to push upstream |
| 05:17:50 | noda | kergoth: Ah. |
| 05:18:27 | kergoth | not much, but some |
| 05:18:46 | kergoth | I need to finish the dependency generator so I can quit updating them manually |
| 05:19:05 | noda | :) |
| 05:19:38 | kergoth | then we can do nifty things like 'make config; make dep; make;` .. even more kernel build like |
| 05:19:39 | noda | ooh, kernel-2.5? Has that actually been tested by anyone? :) |
| 05:19:46 | noda | That sounds good :) |
| 05:19:48 | kergoth | noda: dont do it unless you have a serial cable |
| 05:19:55 | kergoth | noda: the lcd driver works, but is sideways |
| 05:19:59 | noda | kergoth: I'll take your word for it :) |
| 05:20:02 | kergoth | noda: (i didnt merge in lineo's console rotation code yet) |
| 05:20:03 | noda | Ooh, fun :) |
| 05:20:09 | kergoth | noda: and the keyboard driver needs tweaking |
| 05:20:37 | noda | What about 2.4.7? :) |
| 05:21:00 | kergoth | 2.4.7 works fine, but i heard about some weird usb behaviors |
| 05:21:05 | kergoth | I need to do further testing with it soon |
| 05:21:19 | noda | Oh, cool. I might try that one out :) |
| 05:21:28 | noda | doesn't give a damn about USB any more :) |
| 05:21:36 | kergoth | been concentrating on improving the buildroot so I can stop wasting time on build issues |
| 05:21:36 | kergoth | once this is setup, it should just *work* |
| 05:21:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:21:47 | noda | Yeah, that's a good idea. |
| 05:22:01 | kergoth | I spend too much time on stupid shit and not enough time coding |
| 05:22:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:22:09 | noda | I know what you mean :) |
| 05:22:15 | kergoth | scp this that .. wait .. test .. code .. scp this that .. wait.. test.. etc |
| 05:22:20 | kergoth | when the build box is remote anyway |
| 05:22:23 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 05:22:28 | kergoth | plus waiting for compiles gets annoying as well |
| 05:22:45 | noda | Why, how long does it take to compile? |
| 05:23:00 | [DrEvil] | a fortnight |
| 05:23:03 | noda | Holy cow... *looks at top story on slashdot* |
| 05:24:11 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-22 05:24:17 | Running 100,000 Parallel Threads | New MP3 Portables | Build Your Own Subwoofer | Interview with Don Marti |
| 05:24:11 | kergoth | ibot slashdot |
| 05:24:31 | noda | 100,000 threads stopped/started in 2 seconds on linux 2.5 |
| 05:25:08 | kergoth | thats pretty sweet |
| 05:25:34 | noda | I love linux. |
| 05:25:50 | noda | Everything about it is just so cool :) |
| 05:27:46 | kergoth | indeed |
| 05:28:02 | kergoth | noda: you see that openbrick box, the 300mhz deal? looks pretty slick |
| 05:28:12 | noda | kergoth: Yeah, that made me drool :) |
| 05:28:35 | kergoth | I want one |
| 05:28:38 | noda | Here I've got a mid tower as a router/web server, and the thing that guy's holding is in the palm of his hand... |
| 05:28:39 | kergoth | even though i dunno what i'd do with it |
| 05:29:05 | noda | Then again, *it* doesn't have 3 network cards... |
| 05:29:58 | kergoth | indeed. it'd definately have some uses though |
| 05:30:17 | noda | A portable Unreal Tournament dedicated server perhaps :) |
| 05:30:30 | noda | Just the thing to take to a LAN party. |
| 05:30:55 | kergoth | hehe, thats a cool idea |
| 05:31:02 | kergoth | theres all sorts of things one could do with that |
| 05:31:09 | kergoth | i'm tempted to buy one and think of something to do with it later |
| 05:31:16 | noda | You're not alone :) |
| 05:33:21 | noda | Ooh ooh ooh -- instead of a laptop, you'd use that and bring it around with you. Connect to the 'net, plug in some screen and VNC to your home computer. |
| 05:33:49 | noda | (hrm, maybe a laptop is better suited to that kind of thing...) |
| 05:34:00 | kergoth | nah |
| 05:34:03 | kergoth | Z + that thing |
| 05:34:06 | Wembly | kergoth: perhaps if it had differnt processor boards. |
| 05:34:10 | kergoth | ssh into it |
| 05:34:10 | kergoth | vnc into it |
| 05:34:20 | noda | kergoth: I was thinking that... but there's only one network card and no wireless :( |
| 05:34:22 | Wembly | kergoth: concept is coolie just want a larger arm system to play wif :) |
| 05:34:25 | kergoth | noda: yeah |
| 05:34:50 | kergoth | noda: if that had a tiny bit more expandability, i'd be in heaven |
| 05:35:02 | noda | That thing + bluetooth. |
| 05:35:21 | kergoth | yeh |
| 05:35:35 | kergoth | could work as a multimedia device with more media ports |
| 05:35:39 | kergoth | by the tv |
| 05:35:43 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 05:35:54 | noda | Moo |
| 05:36:08 | Wembly | herm |
| 05:36:22 | Wembly | toss in a cable in/out and svideo out :) |
| 05:36:27 | Wembly | err svideo in too |
| 05:36:28 | Onyx4 | man G2 pda screen protectors are a PITA to install |
| 05:36:36 | noda | Wembly: Was thinking that, but it doesn't have a hard drive :) |
| 05:37:00 | kergoth | noda: it can have a hard drive, or a high capacity cf card perhaps |
| 05:37:07 | noda | That's true :) |
| 05:39:35 | noda | Oh, hey, you can put a wireless CF card in there :) |
| 05:40:12 | kergoth | hmm does it have one cf slot or two? |
| 05:40:14 | noda | Or PC card I assume. |
| 05:40:22 | noda | I dunno, been looking for specs... |
| 05:43:20 | noda | Oh, btw, did everyone hear how riaa.org was hacked last month... twice? |
| 05:44:11 | noda | Someone looked at http://riaa.org/robots.txt and saw the "/admin/"... and tried the address. There was no password protection :P |
| 05:44:36 | Wembly | HAHAHAH |
| 05:44:49 | kergoth | lmao |
| 05:44:54 | kergoth | thats great! |
| 05:45:01 | noda | Not only that, but they didn't even fix it the first time they realized they were hacked. |
| 05:45:34 | kryhme | i'm thinking about trying to put OZ on my Z. this would be a big step for me |
| 05:45:48 | noda | kryhme: If you have a compactflash card, it's easy and great :) |
| 05:46:46 | kryhme | is it hard to install? |
| 05:47:07 | noda | kryhme: Nope. You copy two files onto your CF card, hold down [c] and [d] on the little keyboard and press Full Reset in the back. |
| 05:47:19 | noda | It's a little of a twist for the fingers, but it's easy and fun :) |
| 05:47:47 | kergoth | noda: you're becoming quite the salesman |
| 05:47:49 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 05:47:53 | noda | beams. |
| 05:47:58 | kryhme | what about installing the original sharp rom, is that easy to put back? |
| 05:48:13 | noda | Yep, you copy it onto your CF card, press [c][d][full reset]. |
| 05:49:06 | noda | Ah well. Sleepytime. |
| 05:49:12 | noda | might be *doing* something tomorrow, imagine that. |
| 05:49:19 | kryhme | where can i get the original rom from, or do i already have it? |
| 05:49:27 | noda | www.myzaurus.com |
| 05:49:43 | kergoth | night noda |
| 05:49:51 | noda | Even if you don't get a new openzaurus, you should at least upgrade to the latest Sharp ROM - minor fixes and such. |
| 05:49:54 | noda | waves. |
| 05:58:42 | frankps | morning |
| 05:58:56 | kergoth | greetings |
| 06:03:12 | Onyx4|Z | hehe |
| 06:03:15 | Onyx4|Z | testing opie irc |
| 06:03:46 | kergoth | how is it? |
| 06:03:52 | Onyx4 | quite nice |
| 06:04:04 | Onyx4 | same functionality as zic but cleaner look |
| 06:04:12 | Onyx4 | and I think the priv messages and windows are working fine |
| 06:04:12 | kergoth | nice. |
| 06:04:30 | kergoth | ipkg isnt compiling atm. grr. |
| 06:04:34 | Onyx4 | yep you can now close the tabs and stuff so that's good |
| 06:07:20 | Onyx4 | does kpacman work for anyone? |
| 06:07:31 | Onyx4 | I get an error about scheme or something like that |
| 06:07:35 | Onyx4 | even fresh opie cvs |
| 06:07:58 | kergoth | yeah, it needs to have a config file moved somewhere |
| 06:08:02 | kergoth | i dont recall what or where :) |
| 06:08:42 | Onyx4 | haha looks at this |
| 06:08:55 | Onyx4 | in opie-kpacman.postinst cp /opt/QtPalmtop/share/kpacman/kpacman.conf $HOME/Settings/ |
| 06:09:01 | Onyx4 | looks like that thing doesn't get executed |
| 06:09:33 | Onyx4 | nice works now |
| 06:09:45 | kergoth | Onyx4: heh |
| 06:09:53 | kergoth | weird |
| 06:10:00 | kergoth | why not make it look in the right place? |
| 06:10:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:10:41 | kergoth | mutters about hacks |
| 06:10:47 | Onyx4 | it's kind of stupid, the first run it should get the template from share and copy it if it's not found |
| 06:11:19 | scanline | is back (gone 06:19:17) |
| 06:15:35 | Onyx4 | I wonder if I could upgrade my opie on zaurus from the one I compiled with just opie cvs |
| 06:15:49 | Onyx4 | or some stuff would break , I'd have to look at the patch you did |
| 06:16:49 | kergoth | Onyx4: there are a couple opie patches, they're minor. one adjusts the startup script slightly, that one is important. the other is the opie-login dont-use-pam deal |
| 06:17:09 | kergoth | Onyx4: other than that, do a ./configure -xplatform sharp and build it and it should work fine |
| 06:18:51 | Onyx4 | I'm sure that the oipkg opie patch is not required anymore right? |
| 06:19:02 | Twiun | Mornin' |
| 06:20:16 | Onyx4 | what's the "make ??" command in opie cvs to just regenerate all "tmake" ? |
| 06:20:35 | kergoth | Onyx4: right. that one just made it use dpkg-deb instead of ar to extract it, but the new busybox config includes ar |
| 06:20:42 | kergoth | Onyx4: to regenerate all tmake? |
| 06:20:48 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 06:20:53 | kergoth | Onyx4: you mean rebuild the makefiles? or..? |
| 06:20:57 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 06:21:01 | kergoth | there isnt one |
| 06:21:14 | Onyx4 | ok I'll do it manually :) |
| 06:21:20 | kergoth | er, let me think |
| 06:21:20 | Onyx4 | because some new stuff got added, but the makefile isn't created |
| 06:21:23 | kergoth | no, i'm wrong |
| 06:21:25 | kergoth | use ./configure |
| 06:21:47 | kergoth | ./configure should create Makefile.in from the .pro, then use its own configs/* to generate Makefile from Makefile.in |
| 06:22:54 | Onyx4 | cool that works |
| 06:27:36 | kryhme | do i want 2.9.5.5 or 2.9.4 |
| 06:27:46 | kergoth | kryhme: you want the latest. |
| 06:27:57 | kergoth | kryhme: unless you want something older, for some weird reason |
| 06:27:58 | kryhme | is it stable? |
| 06:28:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:28:16 | kryhme | 5.5 |
| 06:28:21 | kergoth | kryhme: stability improves as things move forward, generally. Yes, its stable, though there are a few quirks. |
| 06:31:45 | Onyx4 | cool someone included the periodic table inside opie now |
| 06:31:55 | Onyx4 | called "oxygen" |
| 06:32:03 | kergoth | yup, carsten iirc |
| 06:32:13 | kergoth | will be nice for students, i'm sure |
| 06:32:59 | kergoth | Onyx4: btw, just confirmed you can do shit like make packages/[packagename] to build a single package in the buildroot, i think that function was misbehaving before |
| 06:33:19 | Onyx4 | looks like they finally updated netsystime for ntp |
| 06:33:27 | kergoth | nice |
| 06:33:39 | Onyx4 | altough works on x86 not tested on the Z :) |
| 06:34:20 | kergoth | wtf |
| 06:34:26 | kergoth | one of my ipks created output/rootfs/liblib |
| 06:34:29 | kergoth | lol |
| 06:35:36 | kergoth | okay pushed my last sync up with the bk tree. time to sleep |
| 06:36:14 | kryhme | how do you transfer that huge bin file to the cf card |
| 06:36:25 | kryhme | my program wants to put it all into ram |
| 06:40:35 | kryhme | help my oz install.... blah |
| 06:44:55 | XavierXeon | kryhme: ftp ? |
| 06:48:44 | kryhme | i just deleted a bunch of stuff to make room |
| 06:57:47 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 07:00:46 | kryhme | is anyone awake?? |
| 07:00:51 | Onyx4 | sort of |
| 07:01:40 | kryhme | hey, i got the bin file, my zimage and bootflag.txt on my CF card.. i'm looking at the directions for a 5000d ... is it gonna be the same process to flash this bitch |
| 07:02:39 | Onyx4 | just put battery to replace, hold C+D press ful reset with stylus |
| 07:02:45 | Onyx4 | let it flash |
| 07:02:55 | Onyx4 | then put back cover, battery to normal and boot |
| 07:03:13 | Onyx4 | I hope you have a CF reader ? |
| 07:03:13 | kryhme | i'm worried it's gonna fuck up |
| 07:03:27 | kryhme | cf reader? |
| 07:03:33 | kryhme | for my pc? |
| 07:03:35 | Onyx4 | usb CF reader for your linux |
| 07:03:46 | Onyx4 | or something to access your CF card if you scew it up |
| 07:03:59 | kryhme | are those expensive? |
| 07:04:01 | Onyx4 | or keep a seperate CF card with just OSPACK on it (the sharp rom) |
| 07:04:06 | Onyx4 | 20$ i paid mine |
| 07:04:09 | Onyx4 | real worth it |
| 07:04:14 | kryhme | got a good link? |
| 07:04:35 | Onyx4 | www.amazon.com get the sddr-31 |
| 07:04:40 | Onyx4 | from sandisk |
| 07:05:05 | kryhme | nice |
| 07:05:14 | kryhme | well, here goes nothing |
| 07:05:42 | Onyx4 | but usually if it doesn't flash, you won't lose anything |
| 07:07:01 | Onyx4 | it'll just stay at the sharp rom :) |
| 07:07:01 | Onyx4 | like if your CF card is not formatted fat16 correctly |
| 07:07:02 | Onyx4 | the lights will go on quickly and not stay on |
| 07:07:02 | Onyx4 | unless you didn't hold C+D also correctly at same time |
| 07:07:02 | kryhme | i haven't done anything to the card since i bought it, so it should be ok |
| 07:07:02 | kryhme | i would think |
| 07:08:38 | Onyx4 | yeah depends |
| 07:08:53 | Onyx4 | did you tried it yet? |
| 07:08:55 | kryhme | i can have other files on the card, just not in the/ fir |
| 07:08:57 | kryhme | dir |
| 07:08:58 | kryhme | right |
| 07:09:01 | kryhme | i'm just about to |
| 07:09:15 | Onyx4 | make sure they aren't named anything like zimage initrd.bin or such |
| 07:09:25 | Onyx4 | then it should be ok |
| 07:10:21 | Onyx4 | welcomes kryhme to the world of OZ |
| 07:10:37 | Onyx4 | follow the yellow brick road |
| 07:14:03 | Onyx4 | so? |
| 07:18:23 | Twiun | anyone remember what format pixels /dev/fb0 takes? |
| 07:18:30 | Twiun | is it rrggbb? |
| 07:21:51 | | Binary file viewer, editor, and manipulator.. URL: http://home.mho.net/jswaby/fb.html |
| 07:21:51 | Twiun | ibot: fb |
| 07:21:54 | | Twiun: i'm not following you... |
| 07:21:54 | Twiun | ibot: fb0 |
| 07:22:00 | Twiun | hrmph |
| 07:23:57 | kryhme | nothin |
| 07:24:02 | kryhme | for a minute i thought i fried it |
| 07:24:16 | kryhme | got the original back though |
| 07:24:37 | Onyx4 | right, you can't really fry it by flashing openzaurus |
| 07:24:44 | Onyx4 | if you follow the directions right |
| 07:24:58 | Onyx4 | umount your CF card, mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 07:25:02 | Onyx4 | remount it and copy back the files |
| 07:25:09 | Onyx4 | it's not formatted fat16 |
| 07:25:17 | kryhme | i think i might have tapped the reset button twice when holding the cd buttons down |
| 07:25:45 | Onyx4 | or that you didn't hold the CD buttons down or you pressed other keys with your fingers |
| 07:26:01 | kryhme | possibly. i'm gonna give it another go |
| 07:26:12 | kryhme | install a console, make sure the files are there and do it again |
| 07:26:13 | Onyx4 | the green light will come on, if it is, it's flashing don't abord it |
| 07:26:24 | Wembly | herm. |
| 07:26:27 | Wembly | wher'ed kergoth go off to? |
| 07:26:32 | Onyx4 | sleep |
| 07:26:38 | kryhme | i was also afraid to take the card out at all |
| 07:26:39 | Wembly | drat |
| 07:26:49 | Onyx4 | kryhme: dont take it out |
| 07:26:57 | kryhme | at all |
| 07:27:05 | Onyx4 | not while it's flashing |
| 07:27:10 | Onyx4 | (green light on) |
| 07:27:42 | Onyx4 | it won't erase your sharp rom until it can really pickup the one from openzaurus |
| 07:27:45 | Onyx4 | so you have nothing to worry about |
| 07:27:59 | Onyx4 | it doesn't erase it's own stuff before trying to get the new one |
| 07:28:10 | kryhme | amen to that |
| 07:28:43 | kryhme | i'm gonna say everything i do step by step, and you tell me if i'm fucking something up |
| 07:28:58 | Onyx4 | it may not also like the other files on the card, not sure about that one |
| 07:29:17 | Onyx4 | when I did it myself, I did the mkfs.msdos before then put the 3 files and boom it worked |
| 07:31:27 | kryhme | when i do the c+d and reset, the 2 lights come on, but they only stay on for like a second |
| 07:31:41 | kryhme | i don't think it's copying the files |
| 07:31:46 | Onyx4 | it's not in fact |
| 07:32:00 | Onyx4 | it's looking at the card and can't find what it's looking for, either wrong fs type or something along the lines |
| 07:32:05 | Onyx4 | or you don't hold the keys right |
| 07:32:20 | Onyx4 | see if you just press full reset by itself if it does the same kind of light blinking or not |
| 07:32:29 | Onyx4 | that way you'll know if you are pressing the keys right |
| 07:32:59 | Onyx4 | don't worry this happens a lot, it's really strict on what it expects |
| 07:32:59 | kryhme | no, it was different |
| 07:33:05 | kryhme | i think it's not reading the card right |
| 07:33:19 | Onyx4 | the ROM loader is very basic so it needs exactly things in the right place |
| 07:33:40 | Onyx4 | did you do mfs.msdos -F 16 ? |
| 07:34:10 | kryhme | i'm using the 2.9.5.5 bin image and the bootflag.txt , but i took the z image from the 2.9.4 section.. does that matter? |
| 07:34:19 | Onyx4 | that's perfectly fine |
| 07:34:25 | kryhme | if that doesn't matter than i'm just gonna mfs it |
| 07:34:44 | Onyx4 | that's not even the problem yet what files you picked, it's reading the filesystem on the card probably the problem |
| 07:34:56 | kryhme | mfs msdos -F 16 /mnt/cf/ is that right? |
| 07:35:10 | Onyx4 | pick zimage-24-6 (for 5000d) then the initrd |
| 07:35:18 | Onyx4 | mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 07:35:24 | Onyx4 | assuming /dev/hda1 is your CF |
| 07:35:43 | Onyx4 | umount it before |
| 07:35:46 | Onyx4 | umount /mnt/cf |
| 07:35:58 | kryhme | i think /mnt/cf is my cf |
| 07:36:02 | kryhme | i have a 5500 |
| 07:36:10 | Onyx4 | oh ok, then use 40-24 kernel |
| 07:36:12 | kryhme | so i use the 20-24 imagei |
| 07:36:14 | kryhme | yeah |
| 07:36:27 | Onyx4 | umount /mnt/cf |
| 07:36:30 | Onyx4 | mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 07:36:33 | Onyx4 | mount /mnt/cf |
| 07:36:36 | Onyx4 | copy back files |
| 07:36:42 | kryhme | sounds like a plan |
| 07:36:49 | Onyx4 | reflash |
| 07:37:23 | kryhme | in your command just there did you mean /mnt/cf instead of /dev/hda1 |
| 07:37:30 | Onyx4 | no |
| 07:37:35 | Onyx4 | look in /etc/fstab for /mnt/cf |
| 07:37:45 | Onyx4 | you format the device itself not the mount point |
| 07:38:14 | kryhme | clever |
| 07:41:53 | Onyx4 | better? |
| 07:42:29 | kryhme | mkfs<dot>msdos ? |
| 07:43:21 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 07:45:10 | kryhme | when i try and mount it again, it says can't find/usr/mnt.rom/cf in /etc/fstab |
| 07:45:22 | kryhme | reboot? |
| 07:45:45 | Onyx4 | type mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf |
| 07:46:26 | kryhme | nice |
| 07:46:32 | kryhme | i should have known that |
| 07:46:35 | Onyx4 | check with df |
| 07:46:41 | Onyx4 | see if it's mounted |
| 07:46:47 | Onyx4 | copy back files |
| 07:48:56 | Onyx4 | after your copy back the files, you might want to reboot, then when you see the sharp logo, flip the battery switch |
| 07:49:05 | Onyx4 | that way the CF is unmounted cleanly |
| 07:49:16 | Onyx4 | or just do "eject" compact flash from the qtopia menu but don't eject the card |
| 07:49:19 | Onyx4 | then shut it off |
| 07:50:11 | ircguest | hum |
| 07:51:40 | Onyx4 | how do you copy the files to it just out of curiosity? |
| 07:52:10 | ircguest | wtf is this channel |
| 07:52:25 | Onyx4 | talking about zaurus (see topic) |
| 07:52:26 | kryhme | like a sucker... i'm using Intellesync in Windows right now... it blows. i wiped my linux partition so i could install debian earler, and haven't done that yet |
| 07:52:47 | Onyx4 | ok that should be fine |
| 07:53:01 | kryhme | debian = respect |
| 07:54:23 | Onyx4 | when you get openzaurus working, dont upgrade it until we have a stable feed |
| 07:54:39 | kryhme | sounds good |
| 07:54:48 | Onyx4 | I can give you a temporary feed that the packages are known to work if you want to add stuff like applications |
| 07:54:55 | Onyx4 | cause it doesn't come with a whole lot of stuff by default |
| 07:55:38 | Onyx4 | the only thing is keep that CF handy and don't erase the rom off of it if you don't have a CF reader |
| 07:55:52 | Onyx4 | because in OZ you can mess up your ROM since it's writeable |
| 07:56:05 | Onyx4 | and if you can't boot anymore let's say, just reflash from that |
| 07:56:05 | kryhme | i see |
| 08:01:14 | kryhme | files copied, ready for another go |
| 08:01:28 | Onyx4 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 08:01:35 | Onyx4 | this is the feed to use that should work for upgrading |
| 08:05:02 | Onyx4 | flashing now? |
| 08:05:14 | kryhme | no, it's doing the same shit |
| 08:05:40 | Onyx4 | what kind of card is it |
| 08:06:24 | Onyx4 | you renamed the files right? to just zimage initrd.bin bootflags.txt |
| 08:06:28 | kryhme | kingston - 265 MB |
| 08:06:38 | kryhme | lol |
| 08:06:40 | kryhme | no |
| 08:06:44 | Onyx4 | dah |
| 08:07:13 | Onyx4 | I think the first thing we need to put in the FAQ is a "reread this faq twice" :) |
| 08:07:29 | kryhme | i never read the FAQ |
| 08:07:46 | Onyx4 | make sure to read it |
| 08:07:49 | kryhme | i read the install |
| 08:07:57 | Onyx4 | read FAQ it's got more stuff into it |
| 08:08:05 | Onyx4 | it'll help you understand what you're doing |
| 08:08:47 | kryhme | it would have saved me deleting my backup |
| 08:08:53 | kryhme | but it wasn't a big deal |
| 08:10:52 | Onyx4 | once you rename the files right, reflash it should work |
| 08:11:01 | Onyx4 | I don't see at this point why it shouldn't :) |
| 08:11:06 | Onyx4 | this is the common mistake everyone makes |
| 08:11:36 | kryhme | zimage |
| 08:11:39 | kryhme | or zImage |
| 08:12:12 | Onyx4 | with uppercase I yes |
| 08:12:14 | Onyx4 | zImage |
| 08:12:20 | Onyx4 | bootflag.txt |
| 08:12:24 | Onyx4 | initrd.bin |
| 08:13:45 | kryhme | it's going |
| 08:13:49 | kryhme | sweet |
| 08:13:49 | Onyx4 | cool |
| 08:13:59 | kryhme | thanks a lot for your help |
| 08:14:29 | kryhme | i'm gonna buy one of those OZ t-shirts |
| 08:14:41 | Onyx4 | well that OZ version is old, so it may have a few bugs and such, but upgrading is also hard so you may just want to play with it for a bit until a new initrd image comes out |
| 08:14:54 | kryhme | cool |
| 08:14:59 | kryhme | works for me |
| 08:15:12 | Onyx4 | if you install new packages from the URL I gave you, upgrade ipkg and oipkg first then the apps you want to install |
| 08:15:32 | Onyx4 | the filesystems are a bit different on OZ, so read the FAQ on how the whole ROM,RAM,SD,CF works |
| 08:15:40 | kryhme | as long as i can still run kismet, i'll be happy |
| 08:16:00 | Onyx4 | kismet is part of the feed, so download it from that URL , it'll be configured to run with OZ already |
| 08:16:13 | kryhme | ok |
| 08:16:29 | Onyx4 | OZ uses prism2_hostap , not wlan-ng so adapt your kismiet_monitor script to that effect |
| 08:16:56 | kryhme | well the green and ellow lights went out... so now i take out the CF, hit the master reset and start up? |
| 08:17:21 | Onyx4 | after hitting master reset, put back cover, switch to normal then boot yes |
| 08:17:26 | kryhme | yeah |
| 08:17:33 | Onyx4 | you should see a little penguin |
| 08:17:37 | Onyx4 | if so then you should be in shape |
| 08:18:47 | kryhme | i actually never thought i would be putting oz on my zaurus this soon |
| 08:18:57 | kryhme | it's looking good |
| 08:19:01 | Onyx4 | k |
| 08:19:08 | Onyx4 | it takes a while for first boot |
| 08:19:15 | Onyx4 | it builds the ssh keys |
| 08:19:18 | kryhme | i don't mind waiting |
| 08:19:24 | kryhme | it's a time to enjoy |
| 08:19:27 | kryhme | you know the feeling |
| 08:19:40 | Onyx4 | yep been thru that |
| 08:20:02 | Onyx4 | buy yourself a CF reader for 20$ that way if worse comes to worse, you can just reflash |
| 08:20:27 | Onyx4 | and that way you can try out "alpha" images of oz that might work or not :) |
| 08:20:37 | Onyx4 | but that might give you the bleeding edge stuff |
| 08:20:48 | kryhme | yeah, i should probably have one of those anyway |
| 08:21:01 | Onyx4 | it's useful so you don't have to use USB to put stuff on your CF card |
| 08:21:06 | Onyx4 | I mean the usb craddle |
| 08:21:12 | Onyx4 | and it's faster |
| 08:21:45 | Onyx4 | get op2 now and watch divx movies on your zaurus :) |
| 08:21:54 | Onyx4 | 2 hours on your 256mb card |
| 08:22:21 | kryhme | shit yeah |
| 08:22:27 | kryhme | that's another biggie i wanted |
| 08:22:29 | kryhme | to do |
| 08:22:32 | | i heard zmencoder was at http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 08:22:32 | Onyx4 | ibot: zmencoder |
| 08:22:37 | Onyx4 | use that to encode |
| 08:22:39 | | i guess op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 08:22:39 | Onyx4 | ibot: op2 |
| 08:22:42 | Onyx4 | this to playback |
| 08:23:02 | kryhme | so what about the office tools with the sharp rom |
| 08:23:11 | kryhme | don't bother? |
| 08:23:25 | Onyx4 | if you wanted them, you had to use a little program to back them up to "ipk" |
| 08:23:33 | Onyx4 | while you were running your sharp rom |
| 08:23:45 | kryhme | like that opera packager |
| 08:23:48 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 08:24:07 | Onyx4 | but other people might send them to you if they know you have the SL5500 |
| 08:24:23 | Onyx4 | since you're sort of entitled to it in a way |
| 08:24:28 | kryhme | ok, i'll try and ask around tomorrow when more people are awake |
| 08:24:50 | Onyx4 | well you can't really ask around per say, most people won't send them to you, just ask some good friends |
| 08:24:53 | kryhme | i didn't really care for those programs much, but it'd be nice to have a copy incase i wanted them |
| 08:24:56 | Onyx4 | cause of the whole licensing issue |
| 08:25:02 | George- | hullo |
| 08:25:06 | kryhme | yeah, i understand that |
| 08:25:10 | Onyx4 | in theory you're supposed to make the backup yourself :) |
| 08:25:14 | Onyx4 | but in practice ... |
| 08:25:40 | kryhme | yeah, hopefully someone will be kind to me |
| 08:25:44 | Onyx4 | hey George- |
| 08:26:10 | Onyx4 | if you find them, let me know I need them as well just in case, since I'm too lazy to put back my sharp rom |
| 08:26:25 | Onyx4 | actually at one point we'll have a program that extracts them from a sharp ROM image on the HD |
| 08:26:33 | kryhme | nnice |
| 08:26:38 | Onyx4 | so we'll be able to build them from openzaurus |
| 08:27:01 | kryhme | so i can put op2 on top of this install i have and it should work ok? |
| 08:27:06 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 08:27:09 | kryhme | nice |
| 08:27:16 | kryhme | thanks for all your help |
| 08:27:16 | Onyx4 | do you have an SD card ? |
| 08:27:19 | kryhme | no |
| 08:27:25 | Onyx4 | ok just install to ram then |
| 08:27:38 | Onyx4 | make sure to say "install to ram, and check "link to root" |
| 08:27:38 | kryhme | any advantage to an SD card? |
| 08:27:51 | Onyx4 | SD = more space and no lost of data when you hit full reset |
| 08:28:04 | Onyx4 | so you can full reset all day long and you just come back where you were |
| 08:28:26 | Onyx4 | it just erases the ram storage which I just use for tmp stuff now |
| 08:28:57 | Onyx4 | you might want to edit the /etc/ipkg.conf and change the URL for the feed I gave you |
| 08:29:07 | Onyx4 | that way the gui installer will get the packages from there |
| 08:30:29 | scanline | is away: sleep or something... |
| 08:37:13 | George- | anyone wanna buy my laptop? |
| 08:37:14 | George- | =P |
| 08:37:30 | Onyx4 | hehe i dont use mine anymore either |
| 08:37:39 | Onyx4 | my z is my laptop now hehe |
| 08:37:44 | George- | lol |
| 08:37:52 | George- | I'm gonna sell my laptop and buy a desktop |
| 08:37:58 | George- | my powerbook serves as a good enough laptop now ;) |
| 08:42:44 | kryhme | i can't transfer files to the Z anymore |
| 08:42:55 | kryhme | that program doesn't wanna workwith OZ |
| 08:43:33 | Onyx4 | use your wireless ? |
| 08:43:54 | Onyx4 | or check the security settings |
| 08:43:57 | kryhme | the ap in my house is a piece of cra |
| 08:44:13 | Onyx4 | you need to ajust it for the usb IP if you use the craddle |
| 08:44:19 | Onyx4 | 192.168.129.x |
| 08:44:56 | Onyx4 | well going to bed, have fun |
| 08:45:01 | kryhme | night |
| 09:06:28 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 09:10:51 | XavX|cpp | anyone know how to force a widget to update NOW ? |
| 09:34:10 | Twiun[away] | hmmm... any repaint/revalidate methods? |
| 09:36:57 | XavX|cpp | Twiun: no its a timing problem. i have nearly resolved woth QTimer events |
| 09:37:10 | Twiun | ah |
| 09:37:30 | Twiun | XavX|cpp: you wouldn't know how the fb encodes rgb by any chance? |
| 09:38:49 | XavX|cpp | no. but why dont get the screenshot applet source code from opie cvs and see how it handles grabbing the fb |
| 09:40:14 | Twiun | good idea ;-) |
| 09:40:36 | Twiun | I'm trying to increase my fps by bypassing the slow Java/Qt binding ;-) |
| 09:40:46 | Twiun | and drawing straight to the fb |
| 09:41:35 | XavX|cpp | dont know much about java |
| 09:41:56 | Twiun | no need to in this case... |
| 09:42:27 | Twiun | I've got an int[] representing my drawable area... and java uses that to draw... |
| 09:42:30 | Twiun | but it's slow |
| 09:42:48 | Twiun | so I'm thinking of opening up /dev/fb0 and dumping that array (in some form) in there |
| 09:43:00 | Twiun | hence my need to convert my rgb format to the one the fb uses |
| 09:43:13 | XavX|cpp | make sure you only do that if your window is visble |
| 09:43:39 | Twiun | Hehe, yeah, I know about the repaint problems... qtopia won't repaint some bits |
| 09:44:09 | Twiun | I'm using all the screen save the area for the taskbar... when my app quits, qtopia repaints fine |
| 10:09:12 | mark | anyone use paypal for selling stuff here? |
| 10:12:38 | Twiun | NeoTron did at one point, I'm not sure if he still is |
| 10:17:38 | XavX|cpp | is watvhing his z play backgammon |
| 10:18:29 | George- | mark: yes |
| 10:18:38 | George- | mark: on eBay ;) |
| 10:19:02 | George- | heh, now to install WinME on my laptop |
| 10:19:51 | mark | Twiun: yeh, i think he is. i need some way of knowing people have bought knights so i can send them a username/password to download it |
| 10:20:34 | Twiun | XavX|cpp: looks like the open screenshot applet doesn't do any conversion... grrr |
| 10:22:41 | Twiun | XavX|cpp: Aha! but opieplayer does! |
| 10:22:50 | Twiun | XavX|cpp: looks like it's 565 encoding |
| 10:23:41 | Twiun | XavX|cpp: now to convert my 16/16/16 to 5/6/5... |
| 10:27:05 | tboc | anyone using http://www.isthe.com/chongo/tech/comp/calc/? anyone could tell me how difficult it'd be to port this to the Z? |
| 10:27:53 | tboc | i thought about modifying qplot in some way |
| 10:28:41 | Twiun | tboc: that looks like it's console-only... should be directly compilable, no? |
| 10:28:54 | tboc | Twiun: yeah _should_ be ;) |
| 10:29:03 | Twiun | no luck then I take it? |
| 10:29:09 | tboc | Twiun: but as i've never done something like that before i don't know |
| 10:29:36 | tboc | Twiun: i took a look in the Makefile ... i had to know something about endianess etc of the Z |
| 10:30:00 | Twiun | tboc: that page says there's a debian build... have a look in the debian-arm stuff, who knows? |
| 10:30:18 | tboc | Twiun: oh, ok |
| 10:31:13 | George- | woo |
| 10:31:14 | George- | hello |
| 10:31:56 | George- | yay |
| 10:31:59 | George- | CTCP version me :) |
| 10:32:00 | George- | lol |
| 10:33:49 | tboc | Twiun: i can't find the .deb packet on the page |
| 10:36:40 | Twiun | tboc: I didn't say it was downloadable from there... just that the page said it existed... follow the debian link |
| 10:37:01 | tboc | Twiun: which one? sorry to bother you but i think i missed it =) |
| 10:37:24 | Twiun | bah! http://packages.debian.org/stable/math/apcalc.html |
| 10:37:33 | Twiun | grins |
| 10:37:39 | tboc | Twiun: k =) |
| 10:37:44 | Twiun | you just need to hunt the arm port ;-) |
| 10:37:53 | tboc | Twiun: yep it exists in the arm port =) |
| 10:37:56 | tboc | sweet |
| 10:39:02 | tboc | ok, then i'd have to modify the input method of qplot and change something of the interface between the qwidget <-> console output of calc |
| 10:39:37 | Twiun | either that or try to strip the console part of apcalc and use it like a lib |
| 10:39:47 | tboc | Twiun: too much work ;P |
| 10:40:24 | tboc | Twiun: no it's just that i could use almost all code of qplot =) |
| 10:40:32 | tboc | thanks to GPL |
| 10:40:49 | Twiun | yep |
| 10:41:37 | tboc | i just took a brief look at apcalc but i think it's a lot better than bc |
| 10:42:29 | tboc | but i don't know yet what the input method should look like |
| 11:15:25 | George- | ugh, it's ljp- ;) |
| 11:19:33 | Shayde | yawns. |
| 11:24:37 | George- | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda :)))) |
| 11:24:41 | George- | I like that command SOO much |
| 11:24:42 | George- | lol |
| 11:25:04 | Twiun | Nah, that's recoverable... get your input from /dev/urandom instead ;-) |
| 11:25:25 | George- | uh how is it recoverable? =P |
| 11:25:41 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 11:25:51 | George- | lies, all lies! |
| 11:25:54 | George- | hey Cloudchaser |
| 11:26:00 | Cloudchaser | hi George- |
| 11:26:04 | Twiun | magnetic traces on the hd... if you overwrite with zero, it's much simpler |
| 11:26:12 | Twiun | can't remember the technical term |
| 11:26:19 | George- | uh, shut it :) |
| 11:26:34 | George- | bbl |
| 11:26:41 | Twiun | hmmm... that's it... residual magnetic traces... |
| 11:26:46 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: good morning |
| 11:26:53 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: heya ;-) |
| 11:27:04 | Cloudchaser | i have a java question for you |
| 11:27:13 | Twiun | George-: that's why .gov agencies get their old kit physically destroyed... |
| 11:27:17 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: fire away |
| 11:27:18 | Cloudchaser | is there any little java database applications? |
| 11:27:33 | Twiun | as in, in-line, or full blown server? |
| 11:27:40 | Twiun | or something that uses a db? |
| 11:27:48 | Cloudchaser | in-line as in standalone |
| 11:28:14 | Twiun | hmmm... I _think_ hsqldb can be used that way... |
| 11:28:19 | Twiun | hsqldb.sf.net |
| 11:28:25 | Twiun | but better check the docs ;-) |
| 11:28:32 | Twiun | why java though? |
| 11:28:48 | Cloudchaser | doesn't have to be java |
| 11:28:57 | Cloudchaser | just haven't found what i'm looking for anywhere else |
| 11:29:02 | Twiun | I think sqlite can also run standalone |
| 11:29:30 | Cloudchaser | i think maybe there's alot i dont' understand about database applications |
| 11:30:00 | Cloudchaser | but its looking more and more like you need to be a programmer to make them |
| 11:30:07 | George- | I'M NOT PARANOID! |
| 11:30:12 | George- | They're out to get me! |
| 11:30:16 | George- | ;) |
| 11:30:47 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: hmmm.... it's probably easier to just say what your end result should be, and we can guide you that way ;-) |
| 11:30:55 | Twiun | George-: Nah... they just want your pet |
| 11:31:09 | Twiun | ljp-: ping |
| 11:32:06 | Cloudchaser | ok i want make some simple databases, with a form that i could put in 1 field variable and tap a button and have the rest of the fields filled in |
| 11:32:22 | Cloudchaser | and i want to be able to add entries |
| 11:32:49 | Cloudchaser | i just want to organize some information without having to scroll through a doc to find what i want |
| 11:32:58 | ljp- | ping |
| 11:33:06 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: ok... so you want: a form (dataentry/reading) and some storage |
| 11:33:16 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 11:33:25 | Cloudchaser | http://www.syware.com/prodlib/win_ce/vce/vce.htm |
| 11:33:27 | Twiun | ljp-: would you happen to know what pixel format /dev/fb0 uses? |
| 11:33:28 | Cloudchaser | like that only for z |
| 11:33:35 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: having a look |
| 11:33:40 | ljp- | pixel format? |
| 11:34:16 | Twiun | ljp-: yeah... 565 or something else? |
| 11:34:25 | Twiun | ljp-: I know it uses 2 bytes per pixel |
| 11:34:28 | Cloudchaser | kinda like that |
| 11:34:45 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: right... hmmm, that's kinda like a lite version of Access |
| 11:35:24 | Cloudchaser | i tried rekall, and have emailed to the dev, but the xbase db have fixed field lengths with rekall |
| 11:35:36 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: why is that? |
| 11:35:44 | Cloudchaser | and although there's one coming at some point, there's no runtime yet |
| 11:35:57 | Cloudchaser | i don't know Twiun, that's why i emailed |
| 11:36:04 | Cloudchaser | to see if there was any way around that |
| 11:36:47 | Twiun | hrm... anything I can think of revolves back to some development - and the form would be hard-coded... |
| 11:36:47 | Twiun | not ideal |
| 11:37:08 | Cloudchaser | i want to make standalone db so if i gave it to you, you could tap an icon and bring up form, add entries, search entries, something like that |
| 11:37:11 | ljp- | Twiun: not sure |
| 11:37:41 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: sounds definately non-trivial... and just having a standalone db wouldn't be enough |
| 11:37:43 | Cloudchaser | but i don't have the programming knowledge, or the time to learn both qt and c__ |
| 11:38:10 | Cloudchaser | well its possible on ce and palm devices |
| 11:38:14 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: standalone db's are usually just console, non-user-friendly in the extreme and don't do data presentation well at all |
| 11:38:15 | Cloudchaser | how is it possible? |
| 11:38:30 | Captain_Midnight | is back after 1 d 15 h 17 m 1 s |
| 11:38:47 | Shayde | Cloudchaser: you might want to look at tkcRekall and MySQL |
| 11:39:05 | Cloudchaser | i haven't tried mySQL |
| 11:39:09 | Shayde | tkcRekall will run on the Zaurus and connect either to a local instance of MySQL (or postgres) as well as a remote. |
| 11:39:10 | Cloudchaser | i don't know sql |
| 11:39:13 | Shayde | it'll work with postgres also. |
| 11:39:15 | Shayde | don't need to :) |
| 11:39:19 | Shayde | its like an Access front end. |
| 11:39:24 | Twiun | Shayde: scroll up ;-) we've been the tkcRekall way - it's got some lacks atm |
| 11:39:38 | Shayde | oop! sorry :) |
| 11:39:42 | Twiun | hehe |
| 11:39:42 | Cloudchaser | well it will work with other types of db |
| 11:39:48 | Cloudchaser | sql i think being one of thme |
| 11:40:09 | Shayde | there's a couple web interfaces to standard databases. in linux/unix/whatever, virtually any DB you work with will be SQL. |
| 11:40:14 | imm | hi |
| 11:40:18 | Twiun | sql is just a language - db's can be Access, MySQL, postgres, SQLServer... |
| 11:40:26 | Twiun | they just happen to understand sql |
| 11:40:36 | Twiun | imm: heya |
| 11:40:36 | Shayde | right, and SQL, btw, is -veerrryy- easy to learn. |
| 11:40:51 | Shayde | but things like Rekall don't require you to know it. it just helps a lot. |
| 11:41:07 | Twiun | Shayde: right, but we don't want the poor people to deal with a console SQL entry on a pda ;-) |
| 11:41:13 | Shayde | sooth. |
| 11:41:20 | Shayde | henc... Rekall! |
| 11:41:21 | Shayde | wins! |
| 11:41:32 | Cloudchaser | do you know how to use rekall? |
| 11:41:43 | Shayde | i don't need to, i'm a SQL developer :) |
| 11:41:51 | Twiun | ljp-: drat... where's kergoth when you need him ;-) |
| 11:42:13 | Twiun | Shayde: I only pretend... I know enough sql to get by |
| 11:42:35 | Shayde | *nodnod* i'm strong in MySQL, but when folks at work start throwing Oracle crap at me, i run. |
| 11:43:06 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 11:43:13 | Cloudchaser | so i get my sql for the z? |
| 11:43:14 | imm | kergoth`zzz: wakeup :) |
| 11:43:22 | imm | do you compile with -Os ? |
| 11:43:26 | Shayde | or Postgres. |
| 11:43:27 | Cloudchaser | and then...i can do what i want? |
| 11:43:38 | Cloudchaser | googles for postgres |
| 11:43:53 | Cloudchaser | please excuse my denseness |
| 11:44:03 | Captain_Midnight | anyone know if they have built an attachment for sqllite yet? |
| 11:44:20 | Captain_Midnight | I think it is a little smaller than MySQL |
| 11:45:31 | imm | Captain_Midnight: attachment ? |
| 11:45:59 | imm | Captain_Midnight: sqlite will be the pim db of opie |
| 11:46:01 | Shayde | www.postgres.org i think |
| 11:46:13 | Shayde | postgres is a little more 'crunchy' than mysql. targeted more at developers. |
| 11:46:21 | Cloudchaser | yes that's the mirror site, |
| 11:46:26 | Cloudchaser | i want to see it, read about it |
| 11:46:40 | TheMasterMind1 | postgres is really annoning in several respects |
| 11:46:42 | Cloudchaser | ah found it |
| 11:46:43 | TheMasterMind1 | as compared to mysql |
| 11:47:13 | imm | TheMasterMind1: how is the command line interface ? |
| 11:47:27 | Shayde | mysql's CLI is -very- good |
| 11:47:28 | Captain_Midnight | sorry |
| 11:47:31 | TheMasterMind1 | to mysql? |
| 11:47:33 | Shayde | i never ran pg's cli. :) |
| 11:47:40 | Captain_Midnight | so many windows, so few braincells this morning |
| 11:47:48 | Captain_Midnight | attachment -> connector |
| 11:47:49 | TheMasterMind1 | i've never used pg... already read bad things about it and never wanted to try it out |
| 11:48:09 | Captain_Midnight | I know someone was working on a connector for Rekall for sqlite |
| 11:48:16 | imm | hates sqlplus |
| 11:48:28 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone around who knows how to work bitkeeper? |
| 11:48:28 | Captain_Midnight | but was wondering if tkcRekall could support sqlite |
| 11:48:35 | Shayde | dunno sqlite |
| 11:49:05 | Shayde | doens't tkcRekall support ODBC? if so, then it'll connect to anything. trick is of course if ther'es a native implmentation on the Z |
| 11:49:16 | imm | how small can php-cgi be ? |
| 11:49:22 | TheMasterMind1 | imm: good question |
| 11:49:23 | Captain_Midnight | sqlite is a small sql based database built as a single library usually (I think) |
| 11:49:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i think you can't go under 1.5 megs |
| 11:49:40 | TheMasterMind1 | probably 2 if you compile all the good stuff in |
| 11:49:46 | TheMasterMind1 | bulky, but i think its worth it |
| 11:50:26 | imm | TheMasterMind1: i have it down to 715k |
| 11:50:49 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd you manage that? |
| 11:51:06 | imm | TheMasterMind1: but without mysql, pcre and xml |
| 11:51:32 | imm | TheMasterMind1: the webserver is 40k |
| 11:51:34 | Shayde | how are the XML functions in PHP? worth pursuing? |
| 11:51:43 | TheMasterMind1 | imm: how can you live without pcre and mysql?! |
| 11:51:46 | TheMasterMind1 | what webserver? |
| 11:51:47 | Shayde | heh |
| 11:52:09 | imm | TheMasterMind1: i think i have to put pcre back in, but mysql ? |
| 11:52:19 | imm | TheMasterMind1: nullhttpd |
| 11:52:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i was going to run mysqld on my Z also |
| 11:52:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 11:52:26 | TheMasterMind1 | never heard of it |
| 11:52:38 | TheMasterMind1 | are you making the php-cgi binary that can be run via commandline? |
| 11:52:45 | imm | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 11:52:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 11:53:01 | TheMasterMind1 | never heard of nullhttpd.. |
| 11:53:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i don't HAVE to run apache on the Z |
| 11:53:22 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 11:53:23 | Captain_Midnight | depends on the feature set you want |
| 11:53:28 | imm | TheMasterMind1: apache is just bloat for the Z |
| 11:53:31 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, you don't need much on the z |
| 11:53:36 | TheMasterMind1 | its true |
| 11:54:01 | TheMasterMind1 | imm: if you get it all working, email me all the php and nullhttp sources/ configure options at oz@themastermind1.net |
| 11:54:06 | TheMasterMind1 | and mysql too if you're working with that |
| 11:54:07 | Shayde | i'm tempted to install apache/php/mysql on the Z so i can work on ZSI2 on the road. problem is i have no net connection from the Z unless I socket into the USB cradle. |
| 11:54:15 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz i want to add them to OZ buildroot |
| 11:54:18 | imm | TheMasterMind1: i make a ipk |
| 11:54:35 | TheMasterMind1 | me no like ipks |
| 11:54:37 | MagiCs | hies |
| 11:54:53 | Captain_Midnight | Shayde, if you intend to do that, you will likely want an SD card or CF card for added memory |
| 11:55:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to add it to the buildroot so it can be compiled and added to oz feed, and whenever sources are updated, we can just change the soruce line and have a new ipk on the feed |
| 11:55:48 | Shayde | yah, i have a 64meg SDcard now, and a 340meg microdrive in the CF slot (which will natch be used by the network card). unfortunately, socketing in my Netgear MA701 wierless CF card causes the Z to get -completely- unstable... so i need a better CF card. :( |
| 11:55:53 | imm | TheMasterMind1: ok, how big is mysql ? |
| 11:55:59 | TheMasterMind1 | no clue |
| 11:56:25 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/zaurus/buildroot# ls -hl `which mysqld` |
| 11:56:25 | TheMasterMind1 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.4M Apr 7 09:45 /usr/sbin/mysqld |
| 11:56:29 | Captain_Midnight | I like the DLink wireless card |
| 11:56:35 | TheMasterMind1 | Captain_Midnight: its way to bulky |
| 11:56:36 | MagiCs | TheMasterMind1 good morning ;) |
| 11:56:40 | TheMasterMind1 | blocks all the damn holes on the top |
| 11:56:41 | Captain_Midnight | it is a little large but it is working well |
| 11:56:50 | TheMasterMind1 | MagiCs: buenos dias |
| 11:56:56 | Captain_Midnight | yea but when I am networked, it isn't so I can listen to MP3s |
| 11:57:08 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 11:57:18 | TheMasterMind1 | you could have gotten a less bulky card |
| 11:57:22 | Captain_Midnight | it depends on your purpose for the network card as to whether or not the larger card is important |
| 11:57:28 | TheMasterMind1 | like the socket low power wifi, or the linksys wcf12 |
| 11:57:35 | TheMasterMind1 | still, the huge card looks ugly |
| 11:57:41 | Captain_Midnight | I bought this before the Zaurus was even out |
| 11:57:44 | TheMasterMind1 | and access to the stylus is nice |
| 11:57:54 | Captain_Midnight | I don't use my stylus |
| 11:57:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 11:58:05 | TheMasterMind1 | imm: there's more stuff that you need other than mysqld |
| 11:58:05 | Captain_Midnight | I have a pen with a stylus and pencil built into it |
| 11:58:34 | George- | when are the damn Z's gonna arrive for contest entrants? |
| 11:58:43 | | contest is probably http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ or NEW: UPDATE ON CHALLENGE WEBSITE - SHIPPING DELAYED |
| 11:58:43 | imm | ibot contest |
| 11:58:44 | Captain_Midnight | and if I was desparate, I have a 6 pack of Palm stylii ;-) |
| 11:58:56 | | i guess teletubby is a green fucker with a dildo on its head |
| 11:58:56 | imm | ibot teletubby |
| 11:59:22 | Cloudchaser | is that really necessary? |
| 11:59:24 | George- | *gasp* |
| 11:59:28 | George- | I just installed WinME |
| 11:59:30 | George- | I'm so stupid |
| 11:59:35 | George- | repents |
| 11:59:48 | Twiun | points George- to the gallows... |
| 11:59:54 | George- | *I'M SORRY!!!!* |
| 12:00:03 | George- | I had to do it... |
| 12:00:09 | imm | George-: to late ! |
| 12:00:09 | Twiun | can't you fix it? |
| 12:00:10 | George- | I'm selling my laptop *snivvle* |
| 12:00:37 | Twiun | oh! that's ok then... as long as you weren't going to use it ;-) |
| 12:00:46 | George- | haha |
| 12:00:49 | George- | I 0wnz |
| 12:00:50 | George- | :P |
| 12:00:59 | George- | It had linux on it |
| 12:01:03 | George- | And *snivvle* win2k |
| 12:01:34 | George- | forgive me tux |
| 12:01:40 | George- | For installing WinXP on my laptop |
| 12:01:50 | Twiun | needs a new brain... |
| 12:02:07 | Twiun | shouldn't try to do raw graphics stuff anymore |
| 12:02:31 | imm | TheMasterMind1: whats the trick to switch gcc to arm-linux-gcc ? |
| 12:02:57 | TheMasterMind1 | export environment variables |
| 12:03:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i use the script from the howtos |
| 12:27:32 | imm | can you reach http://213.200.6.175/ ? |
| 12:28:10 | Twiun | imm: traced fine, connection refused |
| 12:28:29 | imm | Twiun: hmm, i think my provider is blocking P80 |
| 12:28:38 | imm | kicks his provider |
| 12:28:53 | | balcab is nothing but a sheep-biting petrification of ruttish slurpee-backwash. |
| 12:28:53 | imm | ibot insult balcab |
| 12:34:09 | Captain_Midnight | is AWAY at 09:40:27 : Breakfast! |
| 12:49:54 | doQment | Hello everybuddz |
| 12:51:04 | doQment | ..buddy |
| 12:52:11 | doQment | Ahm, i donn|t know how often my question is asked before, but i try rather long... |
| 12:53:05 | ljp- | ya gotta put the doo-hicky into the thingamajigy |
| 12:53:22 | doQment | to connect form Z with IRDA over the Mobilphone Nokia 6210 to any Internet Provider, |
| 12:54:47 | doQment | There is a rather long thred on german forum at www.zaurus.de, but none of there solution brings me one step ahead. |
| 12:55:46 | doQment | The Problem is that after Authentification the connection is closed. |
| 12:56:32 | doQment | Mz Z has Rom-Version 2.38, Can anybody help me, please. |
| 12:57:07 | ljp- | kinda quiet right now, you might wait and ask when there's more people active here |
| 12:57:16 | XavierXeon | doesnt know anything about irda |
| 12:57:51 | doQment | ljp> there are 76 user online ! :) |
| 12:58:16 | ljp- | but no ones talking |
| 12:58:19 | doQment | ... and 70 |away ;/) |
| 12:58:49 | ljp- | just because they ar elogged in, doesnt mean they are available |
| 12:59:08 | ljp- | and I dont know thta much about what your trying to do |
| 12:59:52 | doQment | I know - and feel what does this mean. |
| 13:05:43 | tarqen | how do you get hotplug working with the zaurus |
| 13:06:27 | XavierXeon | tarqen: what os and if linux what distro ? |
| 13:06:34 | tarqen | debian |
| 13:07:18 | XavierXeon | have to pass there. do you already have the usbdnet module working ? |
| 13:07:40 | tarqen | yeha |
| 13:07:57 | tarqen | have the hotplug script in there too... |
| 13:08:12 | tarqen | just don't know how to get hotplug to execute the script when I sync |
| 13:11:12 | XavierXeon | the script sgould go to /etc/hotplug/usb and must be called usbdent |
| 13:11:51 | XavierXeon | furthermore you need to update /etc/hotplug/usb.*map, have forgotten which |
| 13:12:08 | tarqen | right...usbdent or usbdnet? |
| 13:12:32 | XavierXeon | usbdnet like the module |
| 13:13:10 | tarqen | yeah it's in there.. |
| 13:13:31 | tarqen | usb.usermap you think? |
| 13:15:09 | XavierXeon | dont know. i am lazy and run suse 8 where i dont have to do that. have done it on an older version but have forgotten how it works exactly |
| 13:26:40 | Shayde | man, reading these threads, i guess i'll snarf tkcCalendar and tkcAddressbook - look like big wins over the native apps. |
| 13:27:47 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 13:32:25 | ljp- | Shayde: ya if you dont mind 2mb of extra stuff |
| 13:32:49 | Shayde | i don't :) |
| 13:32:54 | Shayde | whuglz the sdram card. |
| 13:33:19 | XavierXeon | btw is anyone writing a decent editor as an alternative to tkceditor ? |
| 13:33:33 | ljp- | whats decent? |
| 13:33:45 | ljp- | how much editing you going to do on a zaurus? |
| 13:34:14 | XavierXeon | well: search and replace and syntax highlighting. i do a lot of editing on my z |
| 13:35:01 | ljp- | really? I imagine it would be tiring typing |
| 13:35:56 | XavierXeon | it is. but i tend to take my z on longer train journeys and other occasions where i cant access it via my computer |
| 13:36:09 | Shayde | vi baybeeee. :) |
| 13:37:09 | ljp- | vi puh.. use uemacs |
| 13:37:20 | Cloudchaser | heya xavier, your backgammon game looks very nice |
| 13:37:25 | Cloudchaser | look forward to playing it ;) |
| 13:37:30 | Shayde | emacs weenie. |
| 13:39:48 | ljp- | writes down shayde's ip for future reference |
| 13:39:49 | XavierXeon | Cloudchaser: currently trying to debug the AI. it doesnt like 2 dice with the same face :( |
| 13:39:56 | Shayde | heh |
| 13:42:23 | TheMasterMind1 | vim! |
| 13:42:27 | Cloudchaser | yikes! |
| 13:43:04 | TheMasterMind1 | sup mjn3 |
| 13:43:26 | mjn3 | not much. picked up a CF wirless nic yesterday |
| 13:44:29 | mjn3 | anything interesting happening? |
| 13:44:39 | TheMasterMind1 | which one? |
| 13:45:06 | mjn3 | ambicom WL1100C-CF |
| 13:45:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 13:45:16 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 13:45:48 | mjn3 | small enough that it doesn't block anything |
| 13:47:06 | Shayde | does it work? |
| 13:47:12 | Shayde | glares at his netgear. |
| 13:47:25 | kryhme | stayed up until 6 am last night installing OZ ... i hope it was worth it |
| 13:47:36 | Shayde | heh |
| 13:48:31 | mjn3 | seems to work ok, but haven't tested it extensively |
| 13:48:33 | Shayde | hey, here's an ambicom 11mbpgs 802.11b card on ebay - currently going for $40 |
| 13:48:41 | Shayde | is waiting for the model number. |
| 13:49:13 | Shayde | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2055190103 |
| 13:49:15 | Shayde | that it, mjn? |
| 13:49:18 | Shayde | ponders bidding. |
| 13:50:37 | mjn3 | Shayde: that's the older model with the bigger head. |
| 13:52:24 | Shayde | okay |
| 13:52:43 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 13:54:56 | chouimat|coffee | George-: go back to school :) |
| 13:55:32 | ljp- | ohhh georgie isnt at school? so we cant kick him off easy? |
| 13:55:44 | | George is fuck shit dildo |
| 13:55:44 | chouimat|coffee | ibot George |
| 13:56:19 | chouimat|coffee | ljp-: don't seems to work :( |
| 13:56:41 | TheMasterMind1 | is there an opensoure alternative to tkcJabber ? |
| 13:57:34 | TheMasterMind1 | s/opensoure/opensource |
| 13:57:39 | chouimat|coffee | TheMasterMind1: qtjim |
| 13:57:53 | TheMasterMind1 | does it do all the IM protocols? |
| 13:58:04 | chouimat|coffee | TheMasterMind1: don't know |
| 13:58:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:58:50 | TheMasterMind1 | only does jabber |
| 13:59:00 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't tkcJabber do aim/msn/yahoo and jabber? |
| 13:59:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. guess i'm going to have to write one |
| 13:59:47 | Shayde | the jabber client itslef only talks to jabber servers, but jabber servers can talk to aim/msn/yahoo/et |
| 13:59:58 | Shayde | tha'ts how jabber works :) |
| 14:00:01 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:00:11 | TheMasterMind1 | so i can get on other protocols via jabber? |
| 14:01:07 | | Cloudchaser: I forgot george |
| 14:01:07 | Cloudchaser | ibot forget George |
| 14:01:37 | Shayde | yes. the jabber client talks to a jabber server via a fixed mechanism (xml based msgs). then the jabber server 'gateways' those msgs to their destination,. |
| 14:01:57 | Shayde | you'd message someone by sending an IM to 'shayde@yahoo.jabber.org' or whichever IM gateway you ant to talk to. |
| 14:02:00 | Shayde | its quite cool actually. |
| 14:02:18 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:02:20 | TheMasterMind1 | awesome |
| 14:02:28 | Shayde | jabber is quite cool :) |
| 14:02:40 | Shayde | note - AOl is -actively- blocking some of hte larger jabber servers. dipshits that they are. |
| 14:02:47 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 14:02:48 | Shayde | your best bet is to set you your own jabber server instance, and install the gateways. |
| 14:03:09 | Shayde | just saying hte default jabber server is most likely jabber.org, which won't work with AIM but will work with yahoo and msn. |
| 14:03:24 | TheMasterMind1 | assholes |
| 14:03:28 | TheMasterMind1 | this is cool though |
| 14:03:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i didn't know jabber could do that |
| 14:03:37 | Shayde | damn ljp is ripping into sean on the message boards. |
| 14:04:01 | Shayde | yah, jabber is really cool. i even wrote a jabber irc _FRONT_ end. so you could use your favorite IRC client to talk directly to a jabber server. 8) |
| 14:04:11 | Shayde | basically replacing the need for ircd or the like. |
| 14:04:19 | kryhme | now that i have oz running, my computer doesn't want to sync with my z anymore .... is this a common problem? |
| 14:04:33 | TheMasterMind1 | yea.. i think there's something in the FAQ about it |
| 14:04:37 | TheMasterMind1 | read up |
| 14:04:45 | kryhme | k |
| 14:06:17 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i setup my own jabber server |
| 14:06:19 | Cloudchaser | mastermind said yesterday oz is messed up |
| 14:06:31 | TheMasterMind1 | oz isn't doing too well |
| 14:06:33 | TheMasterMind1 | its still usable |
| 14:06:43 | ljp- | kryhme: go into security settings app and select your ip range |
| 14:06:56 | Cloudchaser | usable for someone who doesn't need to depend on it i guess |
| 14:07:03 | ljp- | well,, oz _used_ to work well... ?!? |
| 14:07:09 | Cloudchaser | yes it did ljp |
| 14:07:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 14:07:15 | TheMasterMind1 | funny |
| 14:07:22 | ljp- | 2.9.5.5 works well |
| 14:07:23 | Cloudchaser | but now its a hobby, not a viable os for the z |
| 14:07:24 | TheMasterMind1 | darn, no debian packages for jabber server |
| 14:07:36 | kryhme | ljp: i went into security and even changed it to 'any' to see if that was the problem |
| 14:07:39 | kryhme | didn't work |
| 14:07:44 | kryhme | i'm using 2.9.5.5 |
| 14:07:53 | TheMasterMind1 | all the syncing software is crap |
| 14:07:58 | TheMasterMind1 | and syncing with the Z is badly designed |
| 14:08:01 | ljp- | kryhme: and you have the very latest qtopiadesktop? |
| 14:08:16 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: you could fix it i'm sure |
| 14:08:18 | W|GGL|T | has no problem with syncing |
| 14:08:27 | W|GGL|T | in XP or linux |
| 14:08:29 | ljp- | has never had too much problems with syncing |
| 14:08:30 | Cloudchaser | me either W|GGL|T |
| 14:08:41 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, but lots of people do |
| 14:08:43 | W|GGL|T | mornin' Cloudchaser! |
| 14:08:45 | TheMasterMind1 | which means something isn't right |
| 14:08:47 | Cloudchaser | hiya ;) |
| 14:08:52 | W|GGL|T | that doesn't mean syncing is broken tho |
| 14:08:58 | W|GGL|T | just that there's alot of user error |
| 14:08:58 | TheMasterMind1 | it means its not good enough |
| 14:08:59 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 14:09:09 | TheMasterMind1 | something like that shouldn't be so error prone |
| 14:09:22 | W|GGL|T | you could always develop your own |
| 14:09:27 | Cloudchaser | oh he is |
| 14:09:35 | Cloudchaser | right TheMasterMind1? |
| 14:09:44 | TheMasterMind1 | no, because i don't use syncing |
| 14:09:45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:09:47 | nadav | http://slashdot.org/articles/02/09/22/158204.shtml?tid=100 |
| 14:09:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't even use any of the PIM apps |
| 14:09:54 | nadav | pics of new palms leaked |
| 14:09:57 | kryhme | wigglit: i'm in windows 2k right now... i deleted my linux patition to install debian |
| 14:10:14 | Cloudchaser | right, so you don't care about synching, pims and the like for oz? |
| 14:10:20 | W|GGL|T | kryhme: what were you using before? |
| 14:10:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i've never liked palms |
| 14:10:59 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: yea, basically |
| 14:11:02 | nadav | me neither |
| 14:11:11 | Cloudchaser | well then you might want to post that in the oz docs |
| 14:11:12 | TheMasterMind1 | i have better stuff i can be working on in OZ |
| 14:11:28 | TheMasterMind1 | someone else can work on syncing, since i don't even understand how it works |
| 14:11:31 | Cloudchaser | that if *you* don't need it, its not a priority |
| 14:11:42 | W|GGL|T | regular-type end users will want and need syncing |
| 14:11:42 | TheMasterMind1 | and the PIM apps are done by the opie people |
| 14:11:52 | kryhme | wigglit: this is what i was mainly using before, but i don't have a linux partition right now to try to sync in linux |
| 14:12:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not saying no one is going to do it, its just i don't have much interesting in fixing syncing |
| 14:12:09 | W|GGL|T | kryhme: ahhh |
| 14:12:15 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway, i'll bbiaf |
| 14:12:16 | W|GGL|T | you can't sync in 2000? |
| 14:12:33 | kryhme | i used to be able to, but not since i've switched to ox |
| 14:12:34 | kryhme | oz |
| 14:12:42 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 14:12:43 | kryhme | and windows has a hard time recognizing it |
| 14:12:44 | kryhme | also |
| 14:12:47 | kryhme | its wierd |
| 14:12:50 | W|GGL|T | that's why i went back to the stock rom |
| 14:13:07 | ljp- | kryhme: I dont beleive there an updated qtopiadesktop for windows with the new security features |
| 14:13:08 | TheMasterMind1 | oz has a bunch of issues right, all of which are being worked on |
| 14:13:16 | TheMasterMind1 | and the rom on sf is so freaking old, it makes me sick |
| 14:13:33 | Cloudchaser | well one day oz will *be the best* then |
| 14:13:34 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: what sharp rom were you running |
| 14:13:35 | ljp- | heh ya wow, one month |
| 14:13:37 | Cloudchaser | when it all works |
| 14:13:40 | W|GGL|T | oz has always had a bunch of issues...doesn't seem to be clearing up |
| 14:13:52 | ljp- | seems to get worse |
| 14:13:52 | Cloudchaser | but for now, the *most stable* is the sharp rom |
| 14:14:00 | TheMasterMind1 | W|GGL|T: that's because kergoth decided to redo the buildroot |
| 14:14:03 | TheMasterMind1 | and now everything's broken |
| 14:14:06 | TheMasterMind1 | we can't even compile |
| 14:14:07 | ljp- | most stable oz fo rme is 2.9.5.5 |
| 14:14:18 | W|GGL|T | even before kergoth messed it up, it was useless to me though |
| 14:14:29 | TheMasterMind1 | well, we were making progress |
| 14:14:33 | TheMasterMind1 | a lot of progress actuallyb |
| 14:14:34 | Cloudchaser | but there's some fundamentals that have never worked properly |
| 14:14:42 | TheMasterMind1 | like? |
| 14:14:47 | TheMasterMind1 | syncing is one |
| 14:14:49 | whardier | hows tings |
| 14:14:49 | TheMasterMind1 | what else? |
| 14:14:50 | Cloudchaser | ipkg, oipkg |
| 14:15:00 | Cloudchaser | updating from feed is very wonky |
| 14:15:02 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg in oz is 100x better than sharp's ipkg |
| 14:15:07 | Cloudchaser | no it isn't |
| 14:15:25 | Cloudchaser | i installed every app that i want/need with 0 problems |
| 14:15:30 | Cloudchaser | i surely can't say that for oz |
| 14:15:33 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, ipkg has problems |
| 14:15:37 | W|GGL|T | i had a hard time with OZ's ipkg |
| 14:15:45 | TheMasterMind1 | that's a inherent problem in ipkg coding itself |
| 14:15:51 | TheMasterMind1 | which, for some stupid reason, everything else is based on |
| 14:15:56 | Cloudchaser | right, TheMasterMind1 you have a hard time with the truth/reality it seems |
| 14:16:05 | Cloudchaser | just like you told me you *bought* tkc video |
| 14:16:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i never said that |
| 14:16:20 | TheMasterMind1 | you assumed i bought it |
| 14:16:23 | Cloudchaser | oh yues you did |
| 14:16:28 | Cloudchaser | i asked you what app you bought |
| 14:16:36 | Cloudchaser | you said tkc video |
| 14:16:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. well, it wasn't me. it was a friend for whom i was install OZ on his zaurus |
| 14:16:47 | Cloudchaser | then you said yesterday that you lied about it |
| 14:17:01 | Cloudchaser | so when people come in here expecting honest answers |
| 14:17:05 | whardier | big fat liar |
| 14:17:11 | Cloudchaser | you fill them full of fluff about what you want to be the best |
| 14:17:18 | Cloudchaser | not what actually is best for the user |
| 14:17:28 | Cloudchaser | and that's a great dis-service to people |
| 14:18:07 | Cloudchaser | that does more harm to oz in the end than almost anything |
| 14:18:45 | ljp- | whardier: where ya been? |
| 14:18:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i didn't buy tkcVideo, but i did use it and it was segfaulting |
| 14:18:57 | TheMasterMind1 | while mplayer was working fine on the same file |
| 14:18:58 | Cloudchaser | you lied |
| 14:19:05 | whardier | ljp-: places.. with stuff... |
| 14:19:05 | Cloudchaser | who can trust what you say? |
| 14:19:08 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 14:19:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i didn't intentionally lie |
| 14:19:23 | kryhme | can you transfer files using qtopia desktop... and how? |
| 14:19:25 | Cloudchaser | sure you did |
| 14:19:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't recall saying that i bought it |
| 14:19:41 | Cloudchaser | i asked you |
| 14:19:47 | ljp- | whardier: I may have a chance at doing linux admin in the DTC |
| 14:19:54 | TheMasterMind1 | you asked me which tkc app i had, and i said tkcVideo. i was installing it on a friend's zaurus |
| 14:20:08 | whardier | ljp-: I had lasers shot into my eyes there |
| 14:20:08 | TheMasterMind1 | the empasis was not on buy, but on which app i was working with |
| 14:20:15 | TheMasterMind1 | s/empasis/emphasis |
| 14:20:15 | ljp- | hmmmm.. |
| 14:20:17 | Cloudchaser | CloudchaserTheMasterMind1: which tkc app did you buy? 00:29:00TheMasterMind1nishi: yep should be 00:29:03TheMasterMind1kergoth: you syncing away 00:29:03nishicool 00:29:06TheMasterMind1Cloudchaser: tkcvideo |
| 14:20:24 | whardier | ljp-: if its a good shot then congrats.. I think you would do a good job :) |
| 14:20:30 | Cloudchaser | looks like an intentional lie to me |
| 14:20:39 | whardier | ljp-: just keep me in mind when you need a network commando |
| 14:20:50 | TheMasterMind1 | i saw |
| 14:20:51 | ljp- | heh ya.. y anever know.. redhat 7.3 on 130 servers |
| 14:20:59 | TheMasterMind1 | "which tkc app" and i replied tkcVideo |
| 14:21:16 | TheMasterMind1 | notice i was conversing with many other people at the same time |
| 14:21:22 | ljp- | if they cal lfor another interview, I'm going to have to bs my way through it |
| 14:21:29 | whardier | ljp-: uhm.. is it ventures online |
| 14:21:43 | ljp- | with tech terms.. 'port scanner', 'advanced server' |
| 14:22:21 | ljp- | hmm I thought she said sendant or ascandant or something,, just got aquired by IBM |
| 14:22:40 | whardier | ljp-: nevermind then |
| 14:22:55 | ljp- | dont know.. but it pays $44 grand/yr |
| 14:23:03 | whardier | I know a very very stupid place that has around 100 redhat servers.. so I thought I would ask and offer my advice |
| 14:23:16 | ljp- | heh ahh.. |
| 14:23:34 | | rumour has it feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 14:23:34 | ibz | ibot feed |
| 14:23:43 | whardier | ibz: feed ibot a treat now |
| 14:23:57 | ibz | whardier: how? |
| 14:23:58 | ljp- | they seemed to want someone with 5 years linux experience |
| 14:24:09 | whardier | ljp-: do you have that much? |
| 14:24:14 | ljp- | yep |
| 14:24:24 | ljp- | first installed redhat 5.0 |
| 14:24:30 | ljp- | painful |
| 14:24:30 | whardier | so 5 years ago you installed slackware then formatted to doze? |
| 14:24:32 | whardier | heh |
| 14:24:37 | whardier | gotcha |
| 14:24:38 | ljp- | hahah |
| 14:24:38 | W|GGL|T | brb....smoke and coffee break |
| 14:24:38 | | ibz: i'm not following you... |
| 14:24:38 | ibz | ibot: have a treat ;) |
| 14:24:50 | | de rien whardier |
| 14:24:50 | whardier | ibot: have a treat is THANK YOU! |
| 14:24:58 | | whardier: huh? |
| 14:24:58 | whardier | ibot have a treat |
| 14:25:04 | whardier | oh well |
| 14:25:08 | | ...but ibot is the best bot in #bzflag... |
| 14:25:08 | ibz | ibot: you are a star |
| 14:25:16 | whardier | I am gonna turn ibot into a GiR soon |
| 14:25:21 | ibz | hehe |
| 14:25:40 | | ibz: bitte |
| 14:25:40 | ibz | ibot: rumour has it treat is THANK YOU! |
| 14:25:42 | | mark: what? |
| 14:25:42 | mark | ibot: GiR |
| 14:25:51 | MarkMorga | hello ppl |
| 14:25:59 | ljp- | the hiring manager works for IBM/Boulder |
| 14:26:02 | MarkMorga | does anyone here have X running on their zaurus ?? |
| 14:26:09 | ljp- | whats X? |
| 14:26:13 | whardier | ljp-: what are you gonna do w/ your business? |
| 14:26:23 | whardier | MarkMorga: I do |
| 14:26:24 | MarkMorga | i have just got a zaurus - and would really like to install an X server...or debian |
| 14:26:26 | whardier | just no input |
| 14:26:40 | MarkMorga | whardier...ah so no input = you cannot use X right ? |
| 14:26:40 | whardier | MarkMorga: have fun with the debian part.. its not exactly slim |
| 14:26:43 | MarkMorga | heh |
| 14:26:50 | whardier | MarkMorga: not as a PDA.. but I can use x2x |
| 14:26:54 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: you can install oz, its debian based, but it uses opie, not X |
| 14:26:59 | ljp- | whardier: I had a gift shop share the space, so that owner wil lrun it |
| 14:27:06 | TheMasterMind1 | you can install X on it also, but i've never done so |
| 14:27:06 | MarkMorga | guys thanks |
| 14:27:10 | whardier | ljp-: pimp |
| 14:27:12 | TheMasterMind1 | you can also use picoGUI which will be released soon with OZ |
| 14:27:14 | MarkMorga | do I need an extra mem card...i dont have one yet |
| 14:27:16 | TheMasterMind1 | as an alternative to opie |
| 14:27:22 | MarkMorga | i was gonna ask anbout pico Guit |
| 14:27:23 | MarkMorga | gui |
| 14:27:30 | Harlekin | hey Cloudchaser |
| 14:27:32 | whardier | eh? |
| 14:27:40 | MarkMorga | but to use any X server...do I have to install debian first ?? |
| 14:27:45 | whardier | no |
| 14:27:49 | MarkMorga | because there is linux already in the pda right |
| 14:27:52 | ljp- | hehe.. if i get that job, I'll be able to drive my fiero 2 hours a day! woot! |
| 14:27:54 | whardier | become familiar with OZ |
| 14:28:00 | TheMasterMind1 | no, it will work on sharp's rom (i think) or with OZ |
| 14:28:00 | whardier | (do you think that will confuse him) |
| 14:28:01 | MarkMorga | so does this mean i can choose an X server and install it ? |
| 14:28:03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:28:12 | TheMasterMind1 | you need "familiar" |
| 14:28:19 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what X on the Z/ipaq is called |
| 14:28:22 | whardier | sorta |
| 14:28:25 | TheMasterMind1 | check it out on handhelds.org |
| 14:28:26 | whardier | you just need the familiar feed |
| 14:28:26 | MarkMorga | Mastermind...so I can Dload picoGui and install it ?? |
| 14:28:28 | whardier | and patience |
| 14:28:37 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: not yet, but soon |
| 14:28:44 | MarkMorga | ok thanks |
| 14:28:51 | whardier | not many apps usable for picogui yet |
| 14:28:54 | ljp- | talk to scanline about picogui.. |
| 14:29:00 | MarkMorga | what are the really good programs for the zaurus |
| 14:29:04 | ljp- | you can run it on Z, but the apps arent finished |
| 14:29:10 | | rumour has it zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 14:29:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot zsi |
| 14:29:13 | whardier | MarkMorga: uhm.. I like the pancakes app |
| 14:29:15 | TheMasterMind1 | look ther efor apps |
| 14:29:30 | MarkMorga | pancakes ? |
| 14:29:44 | whardier | MarkMorga what good apps are there for linux? |
| 14:30:04 | whardier | you asked a pretty broad question :) |
| 14:30:05 | MarkMorga | whardier...some of the network stuff is ok |
| 14:30:10 | MarkMorga | oh yeah - sorry :)) |
| 14:30:24 | whardier | asks pretty broads questions |
| 14:30:24 | MarkMorga | but something like snort or tethereal, that would work on my zaurus ? |
| 14:30:24 | whardier | and gets slapped |
| 14:30:46 | whardier | some fun things do |
| 14:30:49 | whardier | check out killefiz |
| 14:31:07 | whardier | <- master of phong |
| 14:31:15 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkMorga: yes it would |
| 14:31:19 | TheMasterMind1 | if you compiled it |
| 14:31:20 | MarkMorga | cool :) |
| 14:31:23 | MarkMorga | yep |
| 14:31:26 | TheMasterMind1 | google for ethereal on the Z |
| 14:31:28 | TheMasterMind1 | someone ported it i think |
| 14:31:32 | ljp- | gutenbrowser is pretty god for linux |
| 14:31:33 | MarkMorga | thanks |
| 14:31:36 | TheMasterMind1 | you can also run kismet |
| 14:31:39 | ljp- | good even |
| 14:31:40 | whardier | ettercap and ethereal all supposedly work |
| 14:31:50 | MarkMorga | so is Z similiar to X ? |
| 14:31:50 | whardier | ljp-: bah.. :) |
| 14:32:01 | Harlekin | ? |
| 14:32:04 | whardier | MarkMorga Z is as similar as Y is to X |
| 14:32:10 | ljp- | in fact, gutenbrowser _saved_ linux |
| 14:32:21 | Harlekin | MarkMorga: is the intel processor simular to windows? |
| 14:32:32 | MarkMorga | ouch ok |
| 14:32:34 | MarkMorga | heh |
| 14:32:50 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 14:32:52 | whardier | err |
| 14:32:54 | whardier | clarifies |
| 14:32:58 | whardier | the Z is short for Zaurus |
| 14:32:59 | whardier | the hardware |
| 14:33:07 | whardier | opie/qtopia run on the Z |
| 14:33:10 | whardier | as the environment |
| 14:33:18 | whardier | neither of those are similar to X |
| 14:33:40 | ljp- | qpe needs gui forwarding |
| 14:33:51 | whardier | it needs network transparentcy |
| 14:33:52 | TheMasterMind1 | gpe looks awesome |
| 14:33:57 | whardier | or however you feel like spelling that |
| 14:34:02 | erikd | gpe? |
| 14:34:05 | whardier | gpe |
| 14:34:07 | whardier | :) |
| 14:34:14 | | gpe is the GPE Palmtop Environment and can be found at http://gpe.handhelds.org/ - Join #gpe to chat about it. |
| 14:34:14 | ljp- | ibot: gpe |
| 14:34:16 | erikd | ... like gtk? |
| 14:34:19 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 14:34:20 | whardier | Googilie Poogilie Environment |
| 14:34:21 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk based |
| 14:34:22 | erikd | UGH |
| 14:34:40 | ljp- | noo its googi poogi epps |
| 14:34:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i like gtk because it looks good |
| 14:34:48 | TheMasterMind1 | but picogui looks very promising |
| 14:35:12 | erikd | i don't understand how people think gtk looks better than qt |
| 14:35:18 | TheMasterMind1 | it does |
| 14:35:24 | TheMasterMind1 | its very themeable |
| 14:35:25 | whardier | ljp-: did you eveer watch evolution? |
| 14:35:39 | ljp- | not yet |
| 14:35:45 | TheMasterMind1 | that's a cool movie |
| 14:35:57 | whardier | hmm |
| 14:36:06 | erikd | http://131.152.105.154/~opie/screenies/screnies.php |
| 14:36:07 | whardier | I am going back to Anchorage on the 3rd of october |
| 14:36:07 | TheMasterMind1 | freaky |
| 14:36:07 | erikd | http://gpe.handhelds.org/screenshots.shtml |
| 14:36:08 | TheMasterMind1 | but cool |
| 14:36:13 | erikd | which do you think looks better? |
| 14:36:18 | ljp- | oh nice! why for? |
| 14:36:20 | imm | TheMasterMind1: gpe looks shittier than dogshit :) |
| 14:36:26 | Harlekin | ljp-: do you compile before comminting? |
| 14:36:31 | ljp- | yes |
| 14:36:38 | TheMasterMind1 | that's just because its using a shitty gtk theme |
| 14:36:41 | whardier | ljp-: because I had to explain network hops to a company called Network Data Solutions in anchorage |
| 14:36:49 | ljp- | hehe hops |
| 14:37:11 | whardier | they were gonna install a firewall for some stuff and they were doing it terribly wrong |
| 14:37:13 | whardier | so I am gonna do it |
| 14:37:23 | whardier | for the company I usually work for up there |
| 14:37:29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:37:36 | whardier | firewall + a VPN concentrator and a few other mindless modules |
| 14:38:15 | whardier | my themeie thingy is in opie-look |
| 14:38:43 | TheMasterMind1 | are they still getting paid for it? |
| 14:38:52 | whardier | hell no |
| 14:39:14 | whardier | they were also doing some other shit so I am kicking them off that aspect while they upgrade the companies financial software |
| 14:39:24 | erikd | is going back to the sharp rom today =/ |
| 14:39:34 | whardier | and then I am gonna hope to dear god they don't decide I need to go back to St Paul alaska |
| 14:39:35 | ljp- | traitor |
| 14:39:42 | erikd | sorry |
| 14:39:46 | ljp- | heh ya its getting cold then |
| 14:39:51 | whardier | and boring |
| 14:40:02 | erikd | i just got sick of the thing not syncing all the time |
| 14:40:07 | ljp- | hehe hey! Eskimo girls! |
| 14:40:08 | whardier | its useless sitting in an underfurnished house for 12 hours a day |
| 14:40:08 | erikd | and programs i want segfaulting |
| 14:40:16 | TheMasterMind1 | erikd: what programs |
| 14:40:20 | TheMasterMind1 | and syncing under windows or linux? |
| 14:40:21 | erikd | MooView |
| 14:40:24 | erikd | windows |
| 14:40:36 | whardier | ljp-: the eskimo girls scare me |
| 14:40:40 | ljp- | erikd: try to find oz 2.9.5.5 |
| 14:40:40 | whardier | there are a few hotties |
| 14:40:45 | TheMasterMind1 | mooview is just weird |
| 14:40:48 | erikd | ljp: that's what i'm running |
| 14:40:49 | TheMasterMind1 | that's on my todo list |
| 14:40:51 | ljp- | oh |
| 14:40:58 | whardier | but.. if they are hot.. and on an island full of 400 males and 50 femals |
| 14:41:00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm i guess i need to look into this syncing business |
| 14:41:01 | whardier | but.. if they are hot.. and on an island full of 400 males and 50 females |
| 14:41:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't wanna reboot into windows.. |
| 14:41:17 | erikd | sometimes when i want to sync it doesn't recognize the z as NDIS |
| 14:41:22 | whardier | then I have to rething how much I would want to do anything with them.. |
| 14:41:28 | erikd | one time it was usb mass storage |
| 14:41:30 | ljp- | 400 males with harpoons and guns, that is |
| 14:41:36 | whardier | nope |
| 14:41:36 | whardier | heh |
| 14:42:07 | erikd | and it seems to like freezing |
| 14:42:08 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/fox21.jpg |
| 14:42:13 | whardier | blender is cool |
| 14:42:40 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. where is kergoth? |
| 14:42:45 | whardier | smoking his ganja |
| 14:42:49 | whardier | let him be |
| 14:42:54 | whardier | mon |
| 14:43:21 | erikd | whardier: is that chopper superimposed or is the landscape rendered? |
| 14:43:38 | whardier | its superimposed |
| 14:43:51 | whardier | I don't have many texture maps that high of a resolution |
| 14:44:01 | erikd | ah |
| 14:44:11 | erikd | nice :) |
| 14:44:14 | erikd | i couldn't do that |
| 14:44:24 | whardier | well this was an easy one |
| 14:44:37 | whardier | I spent like 8 hours fixing an imported model that the company gave me |
| 14:44:40 | ljp- | why re yo udoing a fox news chopper? |
| 14:44:47 | whardier | instead of spending lots more time remodelling it |
| 14:44:54 | whardier | ljp-: its called the Fox |
| 14:44:58 | whardier | it has a brother named the pup |
| 14:44:59 | whardier | heh |
| 14:45:28 | whardier | I need to make a higher quality uv map for it it looks like |
| 14:45:33 | whardier | and more precise |
| 14:46:13 | imm | on 5 okt we can make a blender for the Z ! |
| 14:46:22 | whardier | okt? |
| 14:46:26 | ljp- | umm there's no controls in that chopper |
| 14:46:26 | imm | oct |
| 14:46:40 | MarkMorga | if i have a tar file...do i simply transfer it over from a pc then double click on it ? |
| 14:46:40 | whardier | ljp-: very true |
| 14:46:44 | whardier | those will be in monday :) |
| 14:46:56 | imm | whardier: then 6. :) |
| 14:46:58 | whardier | imm: true that tho.. :) |
| 14:47:01 | ljp- | so those guys are just supposed to float in the air till then? |
| 14:47:22 | whardier | ljp-: thats why I froze them in time with a picture |
| 14:47:27 | ljp- | hhahah ahhh |
| 14:48:42 | whardier | RAH-66 Comanches are.. the bomb! |
| 14:50:57 | nadav | anyone know if the ZCOMAX CF wifi card works with the z? |
| 14:51:54 | whardier | what planet are those from? |
| 14:52:37 | ljp- | planet Mergatroid |
| 14:53:08 | whardier | btw if anybody is interested I have a very neat way of turning your PDA into a bridged usb access point for your network |
| 14:54:44 | MarkMorga | can i use the infra-red port on a zaurus to connect to my isp via my nokia phone ?? |
| 14:54:53 | whardier | sure |
| 14:55:00 | whardier | if you are in SWEDEN! |
| 14:55:43 | ljp- | whats a port? |
| 14:56:17 | rikkus | whardier: sounds interesting, though I don't have any wireless stuff :) |
| 14:56:31 | whardier | heh |
| 14:56:42 | whardier | ljp-: its a serial port |
| 14:56:44 | rikkus | has been trying to figure out how to make his Linux box do bridging for his Z, though |
| 14:56:50 | | port is To port something, you translate the code for a program from one platform to another. You could port a program you wrote on a PC over to a Macintosh, for example. Port |
| 14:56:50 | ljp- | ibot: port |
| 14:56:56 | whardier | rikkus thats easy shiznit |
| 14:56:59 | ljp- | whardier: wrong |
| 14:57:03 | ljp- | heh |
| 14:57:10 | whardier | wrong? |
| 14:57:16 | ljp- | ask ibot |
| 14:57:21 | | well, wrong is http://people.trustcommerce.com/~adam/top10/wrong.html |
| 14:57:21 | whardier | ibot: wrong |
| 14:57:25 | | bugger all, i dunno, rikkus |
| 14:57:25 | rikkus | ibot, bridging ? |
| 14:57:30 | George- | bye alll |
| 14:57:30 | | i heard bridge was Bridges link two or more network segments that use the samenetwork technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same,i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reducenetwork traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), andalso to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same networkprotocol. |
| 14:57:30 | rikkus | ibot, bridge ? |
| 14:57:33 | George- | see you on friday |
| 14:57:41 | whardier | rikkus.. tis quite easy |
| 14:57:48 | whardier | you have a linux host? |
| 14:57:52 | rikkus | whardier: yep |
| 14:57:52 | chouimat|coffee | yay George- will be in schoool |
| 14:58:00 | whardier | rikkus what distro you using? |
| 14:58:04 | rikkus | whardier: suse 8 |
| 14:58:08 | whardier | http://www.ujep.cz/~lupomesk/bridged/ |
| 14:58:11 | whardier | snag those |
| 14:58:13 | | George-: ibot is beginning to annoy me |
| 14:58:13 | W|GGL|T | ibot george- |
| 14:58:20 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 14:58:31 | rikkus | whardier: ah, looks cool, thanks |
| 14:58:42 | whardier | rikkus then just move the bridged.conf to /etc |
| 14:58:45 | whardier | and add the two ports |
| 14:58:51 | whardier | eth0 and usb0 |
| 14:58:57 | rikkus | ok |
| 14:59:06 | whardier | then you should be able to bridge once you run the daemon |
| 14:59:15 | whardier | this is a very non destructive binary tree based bridge |
| 14:59:16 | whardier | its pimp |
| 14:59:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:59:26 | rikkus | cool, indeed |
| 14:59:27 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: work well? |
| 14:59:31 | whardier | absolutely |
| 14:59:32 | TheMasterMind1 | uses iptables or not? |
| 14:59:37 | whardier | no netfiltering |
| 14:59:39 | whardier | its all use space |
| 14:59:54 | whardier | user space |
| 14:59:59 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 14:59:59 | whardier | I am using it on my qube 2 |
| 15:00:08 | whardier | because the tulips don't like to go into promisc mode |
| 15:00:17 | whardier | and its pretty fucking cool |
| 15:00:30 | whardier | using that you can compile bridged for the z |
| 15:00:34 | whardier | run it against wwlan0 and usb0 |
| 15:00:38 | whardier | do the same on your linux box |
| 15:00:48 | whardier | iwconfig wlan0 mode master it |
| 15:00:53 | whardier | and you have a usb access point |
| 15:01:04 | whardier | thats kinda pokey because of the lacking potential of the cards |
| 15:01:04 | whardier | heh |
| 15:01:09 | whardier | and the usb |
| 15:01:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:01:12 | whardier | but hey! |
| 15:01:15 | TheMasterMind1 | iwconfig eth0 mode master |
| 15:01:17 | TheMasterMind1 | never works for me |
| 15:01:23 | whardier | you must master it |
| 15:01:24 | TheMasterMind1 | does it work with the linksys cards? |
| 15:01:28 | whardier | yesh |
| 15:01:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 15:01:37 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't work on my orinocos |
| 15:01:41 | whardier | nope |
| 15:01:43 | TheMasterMind1 | or my socket low power wifi |
| 15:01:54 | whardier | iwconfig mode mmaster works in OZ becaues they have host_ap drivers |
| 15:01:59 | whardier | same with my qube2 and the prism2 pci |
| 15:02:01 | whardier | card |
| 15:02:12 | whardier | orinocos need special firmware to do master mode |
| 15:02:28 | TheMasterMind1 | my socket low power uses orincoo.o but its prism based |
| 15:02:29 | whardier | they can hosever use the host_ap driver to make a WDS style repeater network |
| 15:02:44 | whardier | TheMasterMind1: you can use the prism host_ap drivers with it |
| 15:02:51 | whardier | are you using OZ? |
| 15:03:05 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: no, its speshul cuz the firmware has to be uploaded to it every time |
| 15:03:15 | whardier | no.shit ? |
| 15:03:21 | whardier | I would init it with orinoco |
| 15:03:24 | TheMasterMind1 | has no firmware on the card.. aparently that saves them money |
| 15:03:25 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: did you use that to bridge eth0 and usb0? |
| 15:03:30 | whardier | then use the prism2 stuff |
| 15:03:31 | whardier | heh |
| 15:03:38 | whardier | chouimat|coffee: you can.. yes.. |
| 15:03:42 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:03:46 | whardier | I don't have usb working at the moment to test |
| 15:03:53 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone interested in writing some IR stuff for the Z |
| 15:03:56 | whardier | but it is fully 802.3 compliant so it will work |
| 15:04:00 | TheMasterMind1 | remote control |
| 15:04:02 | TheMasterMind1 | tvs and such |
| 15:04:06 | whardier | TheMasterMind1 they already have one |
| 15:04:09 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't work |
| 15:04:15 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: ok, so no need to comfigure my desktop as a router ... |
| 15:04:17 | TheMasterMind1 | someone needs to talk to speedy2 |
| 15:04:18 | whardier | did you have a goat handy? |
| 15:04:20 | TheMasterMind1 | and figure out the right way to do it |
| 15:04:22 | rikkus | sees if the Z will get its ip from his adsl router via the bridged on his linux box |
| 15:04:23 | TheMasterMind1 | and then code it |
| 15:04:43 | whardier | rikkus: you ever heard of starting small? |
| 15:04:53 | rikkus | whardier: hehe, I changed my mind after I said that |
| 15:04:59 | whardier | heh |
| 15:05:10 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 15:05:11 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 15:05:16 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: rikkus doesn't know 'starting small' |
| 15:05:19 | whardier | I will be available for comment from now until forever |
| 15:05:21 | whardier | thank you for your time |
| 15:05:43 | whardier | what usb drivers are hip nowadays? |
| 15:05:58 | TheMasterMind1 | so anyone interested in ir remotecontrol type stuff? |
| 15:06:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess not |
| 15:06:13 | whardier | the 5 people active on this channel at the moment are apparently not interested |
| 15:06:31 | nadav | heh |
| 15:06:53 | rikkus | TheMasterMind1: I do Qt stuff, not kernel stuff, so if you want Qt stuff, ok, if kernel, go away and die |
| 15:06:58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:07:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to talk to speedy and figure out the right way to do it |
| 15:07:12 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 15:07:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot logs |
| 15:07:18 | whardier | goawayanddienow |
| 15:07:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:07:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't remember the date.. |
| 15:07:42 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 15:07:49 | TheMasterMind1 | time to download all these and grep it seems |
| 15:08:30 | whardier | Warning: /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/usb/usbdnet.o symbol for parameter echo_tx not found |
| 15:08:33 | whardier | what am I missing? |
| 15:08:48 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing |
| 15:08:52 | TheMasterMind1 | thats normal |
| 15:08:55 | whardier | oh |
| 15:08:57 | whardier | thats a warning |
| 15:10:50 | ljp- | knows how to get rid of that warning |
| 15:10:55 | whardier | goats? |
| 15:11:04 | TheMasterMind1 | rm -rf /lib/modules/ |
| 15:11:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 15:11:44 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: regarding the ir stuff, sorry but my plate is full at the moment. i've got a big uClibc project to finish by mid nov |
| 15:11:49 | Twiun | whardier: Yep, rgb556 |
| 15:12:01 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 15:12:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll find someone |
| 15:12:09 | whardier | Twiun: so I correctly yanked that from my poop chute? |
| 15:12:23 | whardier | I just remember having more b |
| 15:12:24 | whardier | heh |
| 15:12:51 | Twiun | whardier: must've done... just one more thing for me to fix and I'll have this fb driver for java ready for some *real* development |
| 15:14:18 | kryhme | i set my security settings tosync with anyone. and i changed the ip address in the LAN connection on the Z to 192.168.129.1 with a mask of 255.255.255.0 and also changed that to be the IP in qtopiadesktop ..... is there something i am missing? |
| 15:14:54 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: what sharp rom version was it working with |
| 15:15:09 | kryhme | whatever it was sent from the factory with |
| 15:15:14 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 15:15:18 | TheMasterMind1 | the problem is not with oz |
| 15:15:25 | TheMasterMind1 | if you flash to the latest sharp rom, it won't work either |
| 15:15:31 | TheMasterMind1 | sharp fixed a huge security hole, that allowed ftp as root |
| 15:15:36 | TheMasterMind1 | but no one fixed the syncing software |
| 15:15:38 | TheMasterMind1 | that uses ftp |
| 15:15:43 | kryhme | haha |
| 15:16:03 | kryhme | well i ordered a cf reader, but it will be a few days till i get that |
| 15:16:18 | kryhme | so mastermind, what's my problem |
| 15:16:27 | TheMasterMind1 | the syncing software sucks |
| 15:16:33 | TheMasterMind1 | its trying to ftp to the Z, but it can't |
| 15:16:35 | TheMasterMind1 | afaik |
| 15:16:35 | Cloudchaser | khryme you are trying to synch with usb? |
| 15:16:42 | Twiun | any programmers fancy lending me some brains? |
| 15:16:44 | kryhme | yeah, usb |
| 15:17:06 | Cloudchaser | ok newest sharp rom WILL synch with usb, but not with wireless/wired ethernet |
| 15:17:06 | mjn3 | the whole "run everything as root" idea is stupid |
| 15:17:12 | Cloudchaser | usb on linux or windows? |
| 15:17:24 | kryhme | on windows right now |
| 15:17:29 | kryhme | think it would work in lunux? |
| 15:17:34 | whardier | rikkus ok I am having issues.. this is apparently not 802.3 |
| 15:17:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: hmm. try this |
| 15:17:42 | TheMasterMind1 | one up dos prompt |
| 15:17:42 | Cloudchaser | on windows you have to set your SL addapter address with OZ |
| 15:17:44 | TheMasterMind1 | and ftp to the Z |
| 15:17:58 | Cloudchaser | windows xp probly have to shut off the firewall |
| 15:17:59 | TheMasterMind1 | did you give it an ip/ |
| 15:18:46 | kryhme | yeah, but it can't be pinged. i'm gonna try and give it an ip to better match my private network to see if that helps |
| 15:18:48 | Cloudchaser | with sharp rom, the z gives the usb interface on windows its ip address |
| 15:18:58 | rikkus | whardier: bugger |
| 15:19:07 | erikd | is there something special you need to do when flashing back to the sharp rom from oz? |
| 15:19:14 | Cloudchaser | for usb use 192.168.129.201 for z and try 192.168.129.1 for SL adapter |
| 15:19:16 | erikd | the update keeps failing |
| 15:19:20 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: don't work? |
| 15:19:31 | ljp- | the syncing software doesnt suck... the windows version has not been updated to work with the latest roms with security |
| 15:19:33 | TheMasterMind1 | erikd: nope, just follow the cf flashing instructions |
| 15:19:47 | Cloudchaser | oh right you also need qtopia desktop 1.6 for windows |
| 15:19:48 | erikd | mastermind: bleh, that's not working =/ |
| 15:19:57 | ljp- | cf is fat 16? |
| 15:19:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. i think also the new sharp rom gives dhcp |
| 15:20:04 | TheMasterMind1 | and oz does not |
| 15:20:11 | Cloudchaser | thats what i said |
| 15:20:20 | kryhme | damn i'm using 1.5 |
| 15:20:20 | Cloudchaser | he has to set his SL adapter address |
| 15:20:25 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 15:20:26 | Cloudchaser | that won't work |
| 15:20:30 | rikkus | anyone understand this ? |
| 15:20:32 | rikkus | Sep 22 17:26:43 without ifup: No configuration found for usb-usb-1-6 usb0 |
| 15:20:32 | rikkus | Sep 22 17:26:43 without /etc/hotplug/net.agent[13297]: ifup: No configuration found for usb-usb-1-6 usb0 |
| 15:20:41 | rikkus | (on my pc, after plugging in the Z) |
| 15:20:44 | TheMasterMind1 | the whole thing's a mess |
| 15:21:03 | erikd | i keep getting "ext2fs_check_if_mount: Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks..." |
| 15:21:13 | TheMasterMind1 | erikd: ...? |
| 15:21:22 | TheMasterMind1 | is your cf vfat or ext2? |
| 15:21:26 | Cloudchaser | you have to use fat16 |
| 15:21:28 | TheMasterMind1 | <ljp-> cf is fat 16? |
| 15:21:30 | erikd | then " An error occurred during the file system check. Dropping you to a shell;" |
| 15:21:31 | Cloudchaser | not ext2 on cf card |
| 15:21:35 | kryhme | cloudchaser: those ip addresses. i set the lan connection to be 192.168.129.1 right? |
| 15:21:40 | erikd | themastermind: gat16 |
| 15:21:43 | erikd | vfat |
| 15:21:44 | whardier | rikkus hotplug just acting up? |
| 15:21:47 | Cloudchaser | i think thats what i did kryme |
| 15:21:51 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: first try it without setting ip and with the new qtopia desktop |
| 15:21:53 | TheMasterMind1 | then try with the ips |
| 15:21:54 | rikkus | whardier: yep. It was working fine before |
| 15:22:12 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: with oz you HAVE to set your SL adapter address |
| 15:22:13 | whardier | you broke it |
| 15:22:14 | kryhme | ok, i'll try the new shit, and see what i can come up with |
| 15:22:17 | rikkus | whardier: :} |
| 15:22:18 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: alright |
| 15:22:23 | TheMasterMind1 | so it is the dhcp issue |
| 15:22:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i can fix that |
| 15:22:32 | kryhme | where do you set your SL adapter address |
| 15:22:41 | rikkus | whardier: it's been doing that for a few days now. I think doing 'online update' might have killed it |
| 15:22:41 | Cloudchaser | go into your network settings |
| 15:22:46 | kryhme | right |
| 15:22:51 | Cloudchaser | put your z in cradle and plug in the cable |
| 15:23:01 | kryhme | k |
| 15:23:03 | Cloudchaser | it wont' show up if the cradles not attached |
| 15:23:52 | TheMasterMind1 | thinks Cloudchaser should be our docs/faq writer |
| 15:24:05 | Cloudchaser | i already said i would but not til it works |
| 15:24:09 | Cloudchaser | its too hard to keep up with |
| 15:24:14 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 15:24:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't wait until oz stabalizes |
| 15:24:35 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. i would actually start fixing stuff but i'm stuck on this stupid thing. i need to talk to kergoth about it |
| 15:24:42 | whardier | rikkus :) |
| 15:24:52 | Cloudchaser | i thought you already fixed everything |
| 15:25:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 15:25:13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth redid the buildroot and everything is broken |
| 15:25:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought i said that? |
| 15:25:28 | TheMasterMind1 | we have to move all the old make files to the new system |
| 15:25:32 | kryhme | where do i get the latest qtopia? |
| 15:25:40 | TheMasterMind1 | and i can't without figuring out a few things, for which i need kergoth |
| 15:25:44 | TheMasterMind1 | since he made all the changes |
| 15:25:54 | TheMasterMind1 | this new opie-irc looks cool |
| 15:26:11 | Cloudchaser | krhyme i think the url was on the readme or faq with the files for oz download |
| 15:26:29 | kryhme | yeah, i downloaded the one from the jp site, and that's the 1.5 version i have now |
| 15:26:36 | kryhme | and the link to the latest binaries is dead |
| 15:26:37 | erikd | ok, if i wanted to completely wipe my z for the sharp rom install what command would i use? |
| 15:26:45 | Cloudchaser | yeah i had that problem too |
| 15:26:50 | Cloudchaser | also |
| 15:27:10 | Cloudchaser | once you do get the 1.6 files, you have to copy them into the existing qtopia destop folders |
| 15:27:17 | Cloudchaser | don't just drag folders |
| 15:27:26 | Cloudchaser | and.. the version number doesn't change |
| 15:27:37 | Cloudchaser | but the start up screen should be different |
| 15:27:49 | Cloudchaser | they kinda messed up |
| 15:27:58 | Cloudchaser | let me see if i have it still and i can email it to you |
| 15:28:23 | | i guess oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 15:28:23 | Cloudchaser | ibot oz |
| 15:28:31 | ibz | can any of the media players read a file off nfs? |
| 15:28:40 | kryhme | yes |
| 15:28:48 | rikkus | yes, at least xmms can |
| 15:29:04 | rikkus | and I think it worked with tkcPlayer |
| 15:29:08 | ibz | cool, thanx |
| 15:29:20 | kryhme | i've heard of people using tkcVideo over the network, but it was real choppy |
| 15:29:37 | Cloudchaser | video yes |
| 15:29:45 | whardier | heh |
| 15:29:45 | Cloudchaser | but music should be ok |
| 15:29:48 | whardier | I fixed that |
| 15:29:51 | Cloudchaser | thats with wireless |
| 15:29:59 | Cloudchaser | wired might be fine |
| 15:30:17 | whardier | made a fifo in the ramfs |
| 15:30:24 | whardier | used cstream |
| 15:30:33 | whardier | and buffered 4 megs of video |
| 15:30:40 | erikd | what's the device for the root filesystem on the sharp rom? |
| 15:30:43 | erikd | i want to format it |
| 15:30:55 | whardier | gladly gives erikd the info |
| 15:31:05 | whardier | /dev/mtd/something |
| 15:31:06 | whardier | heh |
| 15:31:09 | whardier | chec your fstab |
| 15:31:19 | erikd | i can't, it's not booting |
| 15:31:26 | whardier | then how would you format it? |
| 15:31:39 | erikd | uhm |
| 15:31:41 | erikd | magic |
| 15:31:45 | erikd | dunno |
| 15:31:57 | whardier | I think erikd is on the pipe |
| 15:32:15 | erikd | nah, i just screwed up my z |
| 15:32:17 | kryhme | | <--- pipe |
| 15:32:17 | erikd | that's all |
| 15:32:39 | KeyserSoze | how'd you screw it up? |
| 15:32:53 | KeyserSoze | just got his yesterday, and doesn't want to make the same mistake :) |
| 15:33:21 | erikd | keyser: i went to oz and i'm trying to go back to the sharp rom |
| 15:33:32 | erikd | now something's screwed up |
| 15:33:33 | Cloudchaser | kryhme: try this link: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qtopia/qtopiadesktop.exe |
| 15:33:36 | KeyserSoze | why do you need the sharp ROM again? |
| 15:33:47 | erikd | because there's some stuff that doesn't run on oz |
| 15:33:52 | KeyserSoze | is nervous around flashing flash, and does it as little as possible :) |
| 15:33:54 | erikd | (segfaults) |
| 15:34:05 | KeyserSoze | oh. like what? |
| 15:34:10 | erikd | and it doesn't always sync |
| 15:34:12 | erikd | mooview |
| 15:34:15 | erikd | and classmate |
| 15:34:22 | Cloudchaser | erikd: can you format your cf card to fat16? |
| 15:34:30 | erikd | yeah, i did |
| 15:34:38 | erikd | i'm gonna try going back to oz |
| 15:34:43 | erikd | then to sharp |
| 15:34:46 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 15:34:54 | Cloudchaser | why not just to sharp? |
| 15:34:56 | kryhme | cloudchaser: that link seems to be dead for me, and if i use an ftp client to goto that site, i'm not getting anything either. also, if you put the 192.168.129.1 address into the z for the lan connection, where does the 192.168.129.201address go? |
| 15:35:02 | erikd | that doesn't seem to want to work :) |
| 15:35:59 | Cloudchaser | krhyme: that's the usb address on the z |
| 15:36:19 | kryhme | yeah, but do i have to put that ip address in anywhere on my px? |
| 15:36:20 | Cloudchaser | that *should* be automatically there but i don't know for sure |
| 15:36:21 | kryhme | pc? |
| 15:36:27 | erikd | what's it mean when the two lights flash when i try to flash with cf? |
| 15:36:42 | kryhme | you mean blink? |
| 15:36:45 | kryhme | erik |
| 15:36:48 | br33zy | he means moo |
| 15:36:49 | br33zy | moo |
| 15:36:57 | Cloudchaser | once you have sl adapter set to 192.168.129.1 (or it could be .200, i never can remember) |
| 15:37:01 | erikd | blink/flash, yeah |
| 15:37:02 | Cloudchaser | you should be able to ping your z |
| 15:37:52 | kryhme | how do i set the ip on my usb |
| 15:37:58 | kryhme | and i can't ping my z either |
| 15:37:58 | erikd | tries flashing to oz again |
| 15:38:12 | Cloudchaser | i told you how to set it on your pc |
| 15:38:25 | erikd | cloud: pc is 200 |
| 15:38:32 | Cloudchaser | ok try .200 then |
| 15:38:38 | Cloudchaser | i used .1 i belive |
| 15:38:42 | erikd | ah |
| 15:38:43 | Cloudchaser | but try .200 |
| 15:38:45 | erikd | i'm using 200 |
| 15:38:56 | Cloudchaser | ok try that then khryme |
| 15:39:03 | kryhme | k |
| 15:39:04 | Cloudchaser | 192.168.129.200 on SL adapter |
| 15:39:32 | Cloudchaser | i downloaded that file if you want me to email it to you |
| 15:39:37 | Cloudchaser | the qtopia desktop |
| 15:39:46 | kryhme | magoun.2@osu.edu |
| 15:40:05 | KeyserSoze | hmmm. can I not have a symbolic link on FAT32? |
| 15:40:21 | Cloudchaser | nope |
| 15:40:26 | KeyserSoze | damn. |
| 15:40:44 | kryhme | still not pinging it, my ip is 192168.0.55 for my home network... do i need to be setting a gateway and a broadcast entry in my settings |
| 15:40:55 | kryhme | it probably shouldn't matter |
| 15:40:56 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 15:41:00 | Cloudchaser | thats different |
| 15:41:02 | kryhme | since it's going directly to my pc |
| 15:41:06 | kryhme | yeah, i'm an idiot |
| 15:41:13 | KeyserSoze | kryhme: they are in the same subnet, and have the same subnet mask? |
| 15:41:26 | | it has been said that oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 15:41:26 | Cloudchaser | ibot oz |
| 15:42:04 | kryhme | well the z is set to 192.168.129.200 so, not right now |
| 15:42:19 | Cloudchaser | the z should be 192.168.129.201 |
| 15:43:00 | kryhme | i know there is some big piece of the puzzle that i am missing right now |
| 15:43:26 | Cloudchaser | ) Yes, you can sync with OpenZaurus. |
| 15:43:26 | Cloudchaser | -First, run the Security app in Opie, make sure the ip and mask is |
| 15:43:26 | Cloudchaser | appropriate for the machine you will be syncing with. Hit OK. |
| 15:43:26 | Cloudchaser | |
| 15:43:27 | Cloudchaser | -Now, on the desktop, you will want to go into the network |
| 15:43:27 | Cloudchaser | configuration for the Local Area Connection for the Zaurus. |
| 15:43:29 | Cloudchaser | Change it from "Obtain an IP Automatically" to "Manually enter |
| 15:43:31 | Cloudchaser | an ip". Enter the appropriate ip/mask, by default 192.168.129.1 |
| 15:43:35 | Cloudchaser | for the ip, and 255.255.255.0 for the mask. |
| 15:43:37 | Cloudchaser | |
| 15:43:39 | Cloudchaser | -If Qtopia Desktop says the version doesnt match the Zaurus, then: |
| 15:43:41 | Cloudchaser | - Obtain the latest Qtopia Desktop installer from |
| 15:43:41 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: hey, how well did fifo in ramfs with buffering work? |
| 15:43:43 | Cloudchaser | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download/binary/QD_update.zip |
| 15:43:45 | Cloudchaser | - Obtain the even more recent binaries from |
| 15:43:46 | kryhme | yeah, i read all that... several times |
| 15:43:47 | Cloudchaser | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qtopia/qtopiadesktop.exe |
| 15:43:49 | Cloudchaser | - Extract qtopiadesktop.exe. |
| 15:43:51 | Cloudchaser | from the faq |
| 15:43:53 | Cloudchaser | sorry for the spam |
| 15:43:55 | Cloudchaser | read the faq |
| 15:43:57 | Cloudchaser | on the desktop, you will want to go into the network |
| 15:43:59 | Cloudchaser | configuration for the Local Area Connection for the Zaurus. |
| 15:44:01 | TheMasterMind1 | that's in the FAQ? |
| 15:44:01 | Cloudchaser | Change it from "Obtain an IP Automatically" to "Manually enter |
| 15:44:02 | kryhme | i read it, over and over again |
| 15:44:03 | Cloudchaser | an ip". Enter the appropriate ip/mask, by default 192.168.129.1 |
| 15:44:07 | Cloudchaser | for the ip, and 255.255.255.0 for the mask. |
| 15:44:09 | Cloudchaser | says 192.168.129.1 which is why i used it |
| 15:44:11 | Cloudchaser | yes it is |
| 15:44:27 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:44:31 | TheMasterMind1 | and people are still having problems? |
| 15:44:59 | kryhme | so it's saying to set it to. 129.1 and you're telling me 129.201 or is there 2 different things here that i'm supposed to be setting and i'm getting lost |
| 15:45:02 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: if you get it working and that bit of the FAQ can be improved to make it more clear or fixed if its wrong, please tell us so we can fix it |
| 15:45:03 | darienm | erikd: i have a clean copy of 2.9.5.5. that works |
| 15:45:13 | kryhme | mastermind: no problem |
| 15:45:26 | erikd | well, something really b0rked this thing |
| 15:45:32 | darienm | erikd: before everything started breaking |
| 15:45:37 | TheMasterMind1 | erikd: what is hapenning? or not happening/ |
| 15:45:49 | erikd | darien: i have one from awhile ago |
| 15:45:52 | Cloudchaser | i submitted some clarifications to kergoth for the faq/install-readme |
| 15:45:58 | Cloudchaser | but i think he was waiting til things were stable |
| 15:46:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 15:46:03 | erikd | mastermind: i forgot to hard reboot after i flashed it :) |
| 15:46:07 | TheMasterMind1 | he gets too much email |
| 15:46:09 | Cloudchaser | personally, oz should not be recommended for new useers |
| 15:46:09 | TheMasterMind1 | it all gets lost |
| 15:46:13 | ljp- | stable schmable |
| 15:46:21 | TheMasterMind1 | send it to me if you get a chance.. oz@themastermind1.net |
| 15:46:27 | TheMasterMind1 | erikd: heh |
| 15:46:36 | Cloudchaser | he got it |
| 15:46:43 | erikd | ok, let's see if oz works |
| 15:47:05 | Twiun | screams in frustration... |
| 15:47:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i'd still like a copy |
| 15:48:34 | Twiun | tears his hair out |
| 15:48:54 | Cloudchaser | s'matter Twiun |
| 15:48:57 | Twiun | kicks his Z across the room |
| 15:49:07 | Twiun | soothes his Z, it's not its fault |
| 15:49:11 | Cloudchaser | kryhme: you have to get your z and your pc talking |
| 15:49:17 | Cloudchaser | before you can think of synching |
| 15:49:38 | Cloudchaser | did you set your SL adapter address? |
| 15:49:44 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: I'm coding something... and I've an "off-by-one" (or two) error somewhere, and it's driving me nuts |
| 15:49:50 | erikd | well, oz works |
| 15:50:00 | Cloudchaser | aw.. hope you get it worked out Twiun :) |
| 15:50:06 | Twiun | likewise ;-) |
| 15:50:10 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:50:18 | kryhme | chaser: yeah definitley.... ok, you set that in the network settings, and you set the local area connection to have an ip address of 192.168.129.201 .. right or wrong |
| 15:50:25 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 15:50:32 | Cloudchaser | your lan connection is irrelevent |
| 15:50:34 | kryhme | i knew that's what i was doing wrong |
| 15:50:48 | Cloudchaser | set your SL adapter ip address, not your local lan adapter |
| 15:52:20 | kryhme | in the network settings i can only set the properties of a dial up connection or a lan connection |
| 15:52:56 | Cloudchaser | ok lets back up |
| 15:53:03 | Cloudchaser | when you installed the usb drivers |
| 15:53:15 | Cloudchaser | did your pc detect the new hardware? |
| 15:53:39 | kryhme | yeah |
| 15:53:57 | kryhme | it's detected right now |
| 15:54:41 | Cloudchaser | ok so you should have a LAN connection for your local area network nic |
| 15:54:57 | Cloudchaser | and anothe rLAN connection, which if you go to properties, says SL adapter |
| 15:55:19 | erikd | w00t! |
| 15:55:22 | erikd | there she goes |
| 15:55:26 | erikd | all fixed |
| 15:55:40 | Cloudchaser | ah great erikd! |
| 15:55:50 | erikd | :) |
| 15:55:55 | Cloudchaser | kryhme: do you see that? |
| 15:55:59 | kergoth`zzz | yawns |
| 15:56:01 | kergoth`zzz | morning |
| 15:56:07 | erikd | hey kergoth |
| 15:56:07 | Cloudchaser | hi kergoth |
| 15:56:14 | Cloudchaser | sugar make kergoth coffee |
| 15:56:14 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 15:56:15 | kergoth | hows it goin? |
| 15:56:21 | kergoth | thanks cloud :) |
| 15:56:26 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 15:56:49 | Cloudchaser | kryhme: ? |
| 15:57:25 | kryhme | chaser: yeah, that's set to obtain an IP automatically.... i never even knew that connection was there |
| 15:57:27 | kryhme | shit |
| 15:57:32 | kryhme | guess i never had a reason to |
| 15:57:38 | Cloudchaser | ok set *that* one for 192.168.129.1 |
| 15:58:11 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: does user have to set default ip address of 192.168.129.201 for usb in z? i can't remember |
| 15:58:16 | Cloudchaser | or is that done automatically? |
| 15:58:42 | rikkus | Sugar make rikkus better |
| 15:58:42 | rikkus | :( |
| 15:58:52 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: depends on rom. sharp rom starts up a dhcp server so it can be left at obtain automatically on the desktop |
| 15:58:56 | Cloudchaser | aww rikkus whats the matter |
| 15:59:01 | Cloudchaser | no on oz kergoth |
| 15:59:05 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: whereas in OZ, for now, you need to hardcode the ip in the interface on the desktop |
| 15:59:12 | Cloudchaser | yes that part i know ;) |
| 15:59:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth! |
| 15:59:19 | kryhme | i can ping now |
| 15:59:22 | kryhme | shit yea |
| 15:59:30 | Cloudchaser | wipes brow |
| 15:59:34 | Cloudchaser | very good! |
| 15:59:35 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: nice work ;) |
| 15:59:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hey |
| 15:59:41 | kryhme | i can ping 201 and 1 |
| 15:59:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk -r edit -q is your friend |
| 15:59:44 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: supposed to be releasing next (and final) tkcMail beta tomorrow, but my Z won't talk to my PC and I can't get any IMAP servers to work as I want |
| 15:59:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: do that, the whole repository is locked for editing |
| 15:59:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 15:59:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then just ci as you go |
| 15:59:57 | TheMasterMind1 | but its all weird |
| 15:59:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:59:59 | Cloudchaser | ok email to me when you can? |
| 16:00:22 | Cloudchaser | ok kryhme: whats your email addy again? |
| 16:00:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: takes a bit of getting used to, the key is your local dir there *is* a repository in and of itself, that you check files out of, and check files into, and shit |
| 16:00:37 | kryhme | chaser: magoun.2@osu.edu |
| 16:00:41 | TheMasterMind1 | go to #openzaurus |
| 16:02:14 | KeyserSoze | on the sharprom, can i have my zaurus be ready to sync, and have a USB lan connection at the same time? |
| 16:02:49 | KeyserSoze | right now sync works but the network doesn't. |
| 16:03:38 | KeyserSoze | and when I add a "USB - TCP/IP" network service, it deletes my ip address from the "Sync" tab for USB IP Address. |
| 16:04:09 | KeyserSoze | i've had lan working, and I've had sync working, but not at the same time. |
| 16:04:34 | jbardin | anyone know what buttons are available at the top of the QPEMainApp window? |
| 16:04:39 | jbardin | like i have an X button to close |
| 16:04:40 | darienm | KeyserSoze: The both work at the same time, yes. |
| 16:04:47 | jbardin | can i add say a 'conf' button or an about button? |
| 16:04:53 | Cloudchaser | kryhme: i can't find the file, the one i just downloaded had 0 bytes |
| 16:05:04 | darienm | jbardin: a "?" will appear if you have a help file in the appropriate place. |
| 16:05:05 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: whats the scoop with windows version of qtopia desktop 1.6? |
| 16:05:12 | Cloudchaser | no link to it still |
| 16:05:16 | darienm | jbardin: I think that's all you get. Dialogs have an OK button. |
| 16:05:17 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: good question, they never put it back? |
| 16:05:19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: geh |
| 16:05:19 | KeyserSoze | darienm: should my usb - tcp/ip ip address be hardcoded, or dhcp? |
| 16:05:35 | darienm | kergoth: I still have my working copy of qtopiadesktop 1.6 available |
| 16:05:36 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: doesn't appear to be there still |
| 16:05:38 | KeyserSoze | (the machine i am putting it on is running winXP, if that matters) |
| 16:05:55 | jbardin | can i make it not a dialog? |
| 16:06:01 | darienm | KeyserSoze: its up to you, but dhcp means it might change -- and that's hard to set a route for |
| 16:06:08 | Cloudchaser | hmm darienm did you send it to me once before? |
| 16:06:09 | darienm | KeyserSoze: I use win XP also |
| 16:06:22 | kryhme | darienm: can i have your copy of qtopiadesktop? |
| 16:06:52 | darienm | Cloudchaser: its on my site... http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/ (you also need the MSVCRTD.DLL file) |
| 16:06:54 | KeyserSoze | darienm: if I hard code it, do i use the same ip address the zaurus uses for syncing? |
| 16:06:57 | Cloudchaser | if so i'll check my emails |
| 16:07:02 | darienm | KeyserSoze: yes |
| 16:07:57 | Cloudchaser | oh thanks d |
| 16:08:15 | darienm | perhaps I should move those into their own directory.... or rename the file qtopiadesktop1.6b |
| 16:08:23 | darienm | since I don't know if its a released or beta... |
| 16:08:27 | darienm | only that it works with both Sharp and OZ |
| 16:08:44 | KeyserSoze | darienm: do i need to set my DNS's and gateway? |
| 16:08:46 | tux_mike | i can finally start on my PE-RedHat builds :) |
| 16:09:02 | darienm | KeyserSoze: yes |
| 16:09:31 | KeyserSoze | is the gateway the same gateway the PC uses? |
| 16:09:34 | darienm | KeyserSoze: see this link http://zaurus.kruss.com/howto-ethernet-wxp.php |
| 16:10:11 | darienm | also see http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php#2 |
| 16:10:27 | KeyserSoze | thanks :) |
| 16:11:21 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 16:11:29 | FuzzyTheBear | oops |
| 16:11:32 | FuzzyTheBear | Hi CC :))))) |
| 16:11:40 | Cloudchaser | winks at FuzzyTheBear |
| 16:11:53 | FuzzyTheBear | Bear passing through ... no mind ::)))) |
| 16:12:07 | Cloudchaser | HEHE |
| 16:12:40 | FuzzyTheBear | Ahhhh.. cant let you like this CC.. ok i stay and find out what this place's about :)) |
| 16:12:49 | ljp- | fuuzy wazzy bear? |
| 16:12:51 | Cloudchaser | ok:) |
| 16:13:04 | Cloudchaser | kryhme: once you get thta file and open it |
| 16:13:22 | Cloudchaser | copie the files into their proper directories in your existing installation of qtopia desktop |
| 16:13:28 | Cloudchaser | don't just drag the folders |
| 16:13:44 | Cloudchaser | and the msvcrtd.dll goes into your windows system 32 dir |
| 16:13:55 | kryhme | chaser: k |
| 16:14:04 | Cloudchaser | remember the version number wont' change cause they forgot to update it |
| 16:14:20 | Cloudchaser | but your opening screen will look like the linux version, green splash screen |
| 16:14:56 | kryhme | here we go |
| 16:15:30 | kryhme | so far so good |
| 16:15:33 | Cloudchaser | its working? |
| 16:16:29 | kryhme | the program is, but it's not talking to the Z at the moment |
| 16:16:35 | ibz | is a "tar cvf /mnt/zaurus/2002-09-22-18-13.backup /" on the Z to a nfs mount point the same as a full system backup? |
| 16:16:50 | KeyserSoze | i have my zaurus network connection working (again), but I broke syncing (again). |
| 16:17:04 | Cloudchaser | ok did you set your security for "all" kryhme? |
| 16:17:41 | KeyserSoze | my winXP box gave the zaurus 192.168.0.8. should I set the sync ip addresses on the zaurus and in qtopia desktop to 192.168.0.8? |
| 16:18:03 | jbardin | whats the simplest way to cat two QStrings togerther? |
| 16:18:03 | kryhme | yeah, security is set for all |
| 16:18:04 | Cloudchaser | what rom KeyserSoze? |
| 16:18:08 | jbardin | can i use + ? |
| 16:19:04 | kergoth | jbardin: yep |
| 16:19:05 | ljp_opieirc | shhh |
| 16:19:17 | kergoth | shhh? |
| 16:19:19 | kergoth | yells |
| 16:19:21 | Cloudchaser | hehe hiya ljp |
| 16:19:40 | ljp_opieirc | hiya! |
| 16:19:43 | jbardin | kergoth so QString newMealTitle = mealTitle->currentText() + " (" + t.toString() + ")"; should work? |
| 16:19:46 | KeyserSoze | Cloudchaser: sharprom |
| 16:19:52 | Cloudchaser | 2.38? |
| 16:19:53 | angry | I LOVE BZFLAG |
| 16:19:55 | Cloudchaser | or 2.37? |
| 16:19:57 | kergoth | jbardin: afaik |
| 16:20:16 | Cloudchaser | 2.38 sharp rom (newest) won't synch via network |
| 16:20:20 | Cloudchaser | only via usb |
| 16:20:24 | Harlekin_opieirc | yeah |
| 16:20:26 | jbardin | rock it does |
| 16:20:28 | KeyserSoze | rom version = 2.12 |
| 16:20:29 | Harlekin_opieirc | great security fix |
| 16:20:45 | Cloudchaser | you should update that at least to 2.37 |
| 16:21:09 | KeyserSoze | so, sync is busted when the network connection works? |
| 16:21:09 | Cloudchaser | but to answer your question in qtopia desktop set it to serial and your z's ip address |
| 16:21:11 | darienm | 2.38 is nice |
| 16:21:28 | KeyserSoze | Cloudchaser: serial? but it is connected to USB. |
| 16:21:28 | Cloudchaser | 2.38 has the synch over network broken |
| 16:21:35 | darienm | Cloudchaser: when you say 2.38 wont sync network, you mean USB or wireless? |
| 16:21:44 | Cloudchaser | usb address should be3 192.168.129.201 on z |
| 16:21:50 | KeyserSoze | Cloudchaser: and it *was* set to USB. and it *did* work, before i turned on networking. |
| 16:21:53 | kergoth | darienm: usb is the only interface it allows it on |
| 16:22:01 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: define 'turned on networking' |
| 16:22:10 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: what network connection? |
| 16:22:20 | KeyserSoze | added a usb network connection on the zaurus. |
| 16:22:21 | Cloudchaser | xp has built in firewall too |
| 16:22:43 | Cloudchaser | added it? its there by default |
| 16:22:48 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: dont do that. |
| 16:22:59 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: sync with usb *is* a usb network connection |
| 16:23:00 | Cloudchaser | you don't have to add lan connection service for it |
| 16:23:02 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: by its very nature |
| 16:23:22 | KeyserSoze | then why won't opera work (work = show www.google.com) unless i turn on the usb networking? |
| 16:23:29 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: add a default route |
| 16:23:40 | Cloudchaser | thats another ball of was altogether |
| 16:23:47 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: route add default gw 192.168.129.1 iirc |
| 16:23:51 | Cloudchaser | you need ICS then and a default route |
| 16:23:54 | Cloudchaser | on the z |
| 16:23:58 | KeyserSoze | what's the point of USB lan settings then? |
| 16:24:00 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 16:24:22 | KeyserSoze | i'm confused. |
| 16:24:45 | kryhme | keyser, i think you and me are in about the same spot right now |
| 16:24:49 | KeyserSoze | there are 3 tabs when I open "NEtwork & sync" |
| 16:25:37 | KeyserSoze | the middle one is "services". When I have no services listed, sync works. when I have no services listed, there is nothing on the "Current" tab. |
| 16:26:12 | KeyserSoze | when I add "USB - TCP/IP" as a service, I get an IP address to show up on "Current", and opera finds google. |
| 16:26:50 | jbardin | kergoth do you know howto format the current Time object ? |
| 16:26:56 | KeyserSoze | are you guys saying I should *remove* the "USB - TCP/IP" service, and just have an ip address entered for "sync", and if I add a route, then opera will find www.google.com? |
| 16:27:20 | Cloudchaser | KeyserSoze: find how-to for usb over ethernet on windows xp |
| 16:27:44 | Cloudchaser | do you have ics set up? |
| 16:27:50 | KeyserSoze | "usb over ethernet" or "ethernet over usb"? |
| 16:28:16 | KeyserSoze | Cloudchaser: I can go to www.google.com right now with my zaurus. but sync is broken. |
| 16:28:26 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 16:28:35 | Cloudchaser | because your ip address for usb is wrong |
| 16:28:41 | kryhme | C:\winnt>ftp 192.168.129.1 |
| 16:28:41 | kryhme | > ftp: connect :Connection refused |
| 16:28:41 | kryhme | ftp> open 192.168.129.201 |
| 16:28:41 | kryhme | > ftp: connect :Connection refused |
| 16:28:41 | kryhme | ftp> |
| 16:28:56 | angry | i think i found your problem |
| 16:28:56 | Cloudchaser | port 4242 |
| 16:28:58 | angry | you're using windows |
| 16:29:00 | angry | :-P |
| 16:29:05 | KeyserSoze | "ip address for usb" = the one windows gave my Z? |
| 16:29:13 | Cloudchaser | ok try that one |
| 16:29:14 | kryhme | yeah, windows is a menace to society |
| 16:29:25 | KeyserSoze | or "ip address for usb" = the one that I enter on the "sync" page? |
| 16:29:33 | angry | no, it's just that windows doesnt have bzflag |
| 16:29:36 | angry | the best game in the whole world |
| 16:29:47 | Cloudchaser | whatever your usb ip address is for the z |
| 16:29:58 | KeyserSoze | angry: BZFlag isn't in this chan, you don't need to ass-kiss right now :) |
| 16:29:58 | Cloudchaser | put that there on qtopia desktop to synch usb |
| 16:30:34 | KeyserSoze | Cloudchaser: I did that. I had them both set to the same thing (192.168.129.201), and it stopped working when I got the networking going. |
| 16:30:50 | Cloudchaser | have both what set to the same? |
| 16:30:57 | Cloudchaser | if your usb addres is 192.168.0.8 |
| 16:30:57 | KeyserSoze | and then I switched them both (qtopia and the z's "sync" address) to 192.168.0.108 |
| 16:31:05 | Cloudchaser | and you tell it to synch to 192.168.129.201 |
| 16:31:13 | treke | angry: bzflag runs on windows... |
| 16:31:15 | KeyserSoze | both = qtopia and zaurus's "sync" |
| 16:31:37 | jbardin | argggg qt 2.3 is lacking alot of functianly |
| 16:31:38 | Cloudchaser | KeyserSoze: you are doing something differently than i've seen |
| 16:31:41 | angry | treke: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:31:43 | kryhme | ok, i got connected to the ftp, but if i try and do a pwd or an ls, it says 'command not implemented' |
| 16:31:44 | Cloudchaser | so i can't advise you |
| 16:31:53 | KeyserSoze | what am i doing different? |
| 16:31:56 | ljp_opieirc | hmm I could have sworn BZFlag uses a debian distribution |
| 16:32:07 | Cloudchaser | you added a usb lan connection |
| 16:32:14 | Cloudchaser | and didn't use the defaults |
| 16:32:22 | Cloudchaser | for usb |
| 16:32:26 | kryhme | nevermind, guess it doesn't use unix ftp commands |
| 16:33:48 | Cloudchaser | KeyserSoze: http://myzaurus.com/downloads/Troubleshooting_tips.doc |
| 16:33:51 | Cloudchaser | look there |
| 16:34:21 | jbardin | is qt 3 coming to the z? |
| 16:34:29 | treke | jbardin: no |
| 16:34:42 | jbardin | urg |
| 16:36:04 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 16:36:08 | [DrEvil] | I must rebuild my Z |
| 16:36:38 | KeyserSoze | this is lame. my second network adapter (the zaurus one) dissapeared when I took my z out of the cradle. i put the z back in the cradle, and my z no longer has a ip address from dhcp. |
| 16:36:38 | Cloudchaser | KeyserSoze: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=337&hl=ethernet+over+usb&s=108effdd8c89aec8c4ffb09489547657 |
| 16:37:00 | Cloudchaser | you need to try to do it the right way |
| 16:37:08 | KeyserSoze | s/dissapeared/is gone from my windows XP hardware list. |
| 16:37:11 | Cloudchaser | using ICS and the z defaults |
| 16:37:22 | Cloudchaser | its gone when you take it out of the cradle? |
| 16:37:37 | kergoth | yes, it will be gone when you remove it from the cradle. |
| 16:37:40 | KeyserSoze | well, it's gone now. and i took it out of the cradle, so i think that was related. |
| 16:37:41 | kergoth | thats expected |
| 16:37:46 | Cloudchaser | did you visit the urls i posted in there |
| 16:37:48 | KeyserSoze | i put it back in the cradle. should it appear? |
| 16:37:52 | kergoth | it comes back when you put it back on the cradle |
| 16:37:54 | kergoth | yes. |
| 16:37:55 | KeyserSoze | Cloudchaser: reading them now. |
| 16:38:06 | kergoth | if it doesnt, you probably forgot to eject the Z before removing it from the cradle |
| 16:38:12 | kergoth | windows doesnt like that |
| 16:38:37 | darienm | win xp doesnt care |
| 16:38:41 | darienm | win 2k does |
| 16:38:48 | KeyserSoze | eject? |
| 16:39:00 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/scripts/sources.pl: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 16:39:06 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: cvs behavior |
| 16:39:16 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: chmod u+x scripts/*pl |
| 16:39:22 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: then it'll work fine |
| 16:39:24 | deevee | wee i ordered my zaurus today |
| 16:39:58 | deevee | anyone know which wireless card has the best antena |
| 16:40:12 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: the cvs tree is a bit behind bk, but it works. |
| 16:40:23 | [DrEvil] | how do I get the latest stuff? |
| 16:42:32 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i'll sync cvs with bk every couple days. if you want shit as fast as we fix it, go to bitkeeper.com and download it |
| 16:42:36 | KeyserSoze | stupid thing just took a 5 minute vacation, it's back now. i have 192.168.0.108 again on my zaurus usb tcp-ip ip address, and the 2nd network adapter is in the hardware manager on the XP box, and the 2nd network connection is in the network list, and i can get to google from my zaurus. |
| 16:43:45 | KeyserSoze | so, to summarize: ICS is working. zaurus usb tcp-ip address=192.168.0.108. the sync address is set to 192.168.129.201 on the zaurus, and in qtopia, but I *cannot* sync. |
| 16:44:12 | imm | kergoth: do you buil the packages for oz with -Os ? |
| 16:44:29 | kergoth | imm: I use the default optimization for each given package's Makefile |
| 16:44:32 | kergoth | imm: for now |
| 16:45:04 | imm | kergoth: ok, tahnks |
| 16:45:11 | kergoth | np |
| 16:45:18 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 16:45:18 | BigBoss | ibot logs |
| 16:46:51 | ljp_opieirc2 | heh BB must be checking logs about tkc |
| 16:46:59 | imm | :) |
| 16:47:03 | imm | tkc sucks |
| 16:47:12 | imm | just for the logs ;) |
| 16:47:20 | FuzzyTheBear | AFK at the beach |
| 16:48:52 | Cloudchaser | imm: ? |
| 16:49:01 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: ping |
| 16:49:36 | imm | Cloudchaser: yes |
| 16:49:42 | Cloudchaser | that wasn't nice |
| 16:49:53 | Cloudchaser | Harlekin: you rang? |
| 16:50:04 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: need email again .-) |
| 16:50:31 | imm | Cloudchaser: i think he can put it away |
| 16:50:44 | Cloudchaser | think who can put what away? |
| 16:50:55 | imm | Cloudchaser: tkc |
| 16:51:17 | chouimat|coffee | re |
| 16:51:21 | Cloudchaser | i don't understand what you are saying |
| 16:51:48 | Cloudchaser | but i don't think "tkc sucks" is appropriate in a channel for all zaurus userse |
| 16:52:14 | deevee | the tkc apps look good to me |
| 16:52:21 | Cloudchaser | everyone who is working for the zaurus community makes their contributions with the best intentions |
| 16:52:24 | imm | Cloudchaser: "tck just rocks" then :) |
| 16:52:42 | Cloudchaser | there's no need for fighting *between* contributers |
| 16:52:52 | tux_mike | well, this is going to break everything |
| 16:52:58 | imm | Cloudchaser: that was just a dumb joke |
| 16:54:01 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: what do I need to pull stuff from bitkeeper? |
| 16:54:22 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: you need bitkeeper. its a piece of software you put on your linux box |
| 16:54:24 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: then you do this |
| 16:54:26 | | oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; make config; make; |
| 16:54:26 | kergoth | ibot oz bk |
| 16:55:36 | Harlekin | tux_mike: what will break |
| 16:55:49 | ljp | imm: ping |
| 16:55:57 | [DrEvil] | danke |
| 16:56:16 | tux_mike | harlekin: everything on my laptop :) i'm using it as a base to build my PE-RedHat, and i'm upgrading glibc/gcc right now :) |
| 16:56:35 | Harlekin | hhe |
| 16:56:59 | tux_mike | i had to big hammer so many dependancy problems, it's not even funny :) |
| 16:57:05 | [DrEvil] | which version of bk should I download? |
| 16:57:41 | [DrEvil] | 2.0 or 2.1 |
| 16:57:53 | kergoth | go with 2.1 |
| 16:59:03 | kryhme | well i can't get the synching yet, but i can transfer via ftp, and that's fine for now |
| 16:59:08 | kryhme | thanks for everyone's help |
| 16:59:20 | [DrEvil] | ipkg on my Z seems to be shot to hell |
| 16:59:22 | Cloudchaser | synching *should* work if all the rest does |
| 16:59:36 | Cloudchaser | do you get errors? |
| 16:59:51 | Cloudchaser | and did you copy all those files over the existing ones? |
| 17:00:05 | Cloudchaser | it took me 2 tries to get that right so it worked |
| 17:00:25 | kryhme | no errors, it's not connecting... yeah that new stuff is installed right, i'm pretty sure... i'll mess with it more later .....i just installed opie-player2 ..... it doesn't wanna boot |
| 17:00:37 | kryhme | crap |
| 17:00:57 | Cloudchaser | ok well i can't help you there |
| 17:00:58 | imm | ljp: pong |
| 17:02:22 | ljp | you working on kpacman? |
| 17:02:42 | ljp | cause the keys on x86 arent working correctly now.. arrow keys |
| 17:02:47 | kryhme | those lines that surround the icon seem to hang on the picture |
| 17:02:50 | kryhme | but i never loads |
| 17:03:19 | kryhme | it |
| 17:04:14 | imm | ljp: its pretty weird, yes |
| 17:09:03 | KeyserSoze | Cloudchaser: thanks for your help |
| 17:09:16 | KeyserSoze | see y'all later. |
| 17:18:59 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 17:19:01 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22go+to+hell%22 |
| 17:19:05 | kryhme | what was the url of that script or whatever to re-encode divx movies to format them to fix on the Z? |
| 17:19:17 | | i heard transcode was a linux video processing tool that can be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. see http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt or talk to Onyx4 for any problems/questions. or http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/ or a faster and better alternative for transcode is see mencoder |
| 17:19:17 | kergoth | ibot transcode |
| 17:19:21 | | mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert my movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 17:19:21 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot mencoder |
| 17:19:25 | TheMasterMind1 | mencoder script is better |
| 17:19:30 | kergoth | is it? cool |
| 17:19:42 | kryhme | thanks guys |
| 17:20:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: did you get it to sync? |
| 17:21:21 | kryhme | not yet |
| 17:21:28 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 17:21:29 | kryhme | haven't messed with it since i got ftp going though |
| 17:21:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:21:42 | kryhme | i got opie2 to work |
| 17:21:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: is rsyncd installed on the z's also? |
| 17:21:52 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: mplayer is nice too |
| 17:21:52 | kryhme | so now i wanna see if can get a movie to g |
| 17:21:54 | kryhme | go |
| 17:24:31 | imm | ljp: can you try it again ? |
| 17:24:57 | Harlekin | kryhme: and dont use divx |
| 17:24:58 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:25:03 | Harlekin | kryhme: xvid is much better |
| 17:25:19 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 17:25:23 | TheMasterMind1 | what's wrong with divx |
| 17:25:37 | kryhme | divx is just easier to get |
| 17:25:39 | TheMasterMind1 | xvid? |
| 17:25:54 | TheMasterMind1 | where do i find infos on this |
| 17:25:58 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: xvid is much better for small screens |
| 17:25:58 | kryhme | and i don't have any conversion programs to do xvid |
| 17:26:00 | Harlekin | and real mpeg4 |
| 17:26:11 | TheMasterMind1 | does mencoder do xvid? |
| 17:26:11 | Harlekin | kryhme: transcode , mencoder |
| 17:26:15 | Harlekin | sure |
| 17:26:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: you there? |
| 17:26:23 | Harlekin | Onyx4 s scripts do it anyway |
| 17:26:30 | kryhme | you think that google -microsoft thing is something google did, or something m$ did? |
| 17:26:30 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
| 17:26:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 17:26:42 | Onyx4 | im back |
| 17:26:43 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: well, if you look at the google cache |
| 17:26:54 | TheMasterMind1 | These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: go to hell |
| 17:26:57 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: your script does xvid? |
| 17:27:09 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: my zmencoder uses libavcodec to encode mpeg4, but you can sure adapt it to use xvid if you compiled mplayer with it |
| 17:27:26 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 17:27:32 | TheMasterMind1 | xvid > divx apparently |
| 17:27:33 | Onyx4 | libavcodec aka ffmpeg (lavc) |
| 17:27:42 | Onyx4 | well they are all divx variants |
| 17:27:54 | Onyx4 | even libavcodec is divx5 compatible |
| 17:27:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ahok |
| 17:28:06 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 17:28:07 | Harlekin | Onyx4: xvid is mpeg4 |
| 17:28:09 | TheMasterMind1 | work on some makefiles |
| 17:28:28 | Onyx4 | they all produce the same format (mpeg4) just different encoding methods to decide what to cut out |
| 17:28:43 | Harlekin | Onyx4: yeah, where xvid has better results |
| 17:28:44 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:28:49 | Harlekin | Onyx4: btw, i have a link for you |
| 17:28:53 | kryhme | long night last night onyx |
| 17:29:01 | Harlekin | Onyx4: 'http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/ogmtools/ogmtools-0.931.tar.bz2' |
| 17:29:01 | Onyx4 | yeah, but xvid is sort of a dead project now |
| 17:29:06 | Harlekin | why |
| 17:29:07 | Onyx4 | it never got completed... |
| 17:29:10 | Onyx4 | www.xvid.org |
| 17:29:12 | Harlekin | they are still on it |
| 17:29:30 | Onyx4 | XVID development has been stopped |
| 17:29:32 | Harlekin | 2002/08/23 -- Sigma Designs' reacted. |
| 17:29:36 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 17:29:38 | Onyx4 | because of sigma designs |
| 17:29:40 | Harlekin | the day after |
| 17:29:41 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:29:49 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 17:29:52 | whardier | XVID? |
| 17:29:52 | Harlekin | was stopped for 20 h |
| 17:30:29 | Harlekin | oh |
| 17:30:36 | Harlekin | and it looks like all xvid people are german |
| 17:30:58 | kryhme | ich spreche deutsch |
| 17:31:00 | TheMasterMind1 | XVID development has been stopped |
| 17:31:00 | TheMasterMind1 | news |
| 17:31:00 | TheMasterMind1 | 2002/08/23 -- Sigma Designs' reacted. Sigma Designs' recently reacted by publishing a press release and have now made V1.1 source codes available. We are considering our response, and will post further news as it comes to hand. |
| 17:31:00 | TheMasterMind1 | Thanks everyone! |
| 17:32:22 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn: sup |
| 17:32:59 | whardier | what are the advantages of xvid? |
| 17:33:10 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: hey! Things are rockin'! :) You? Any progress with OZ lately? |
| 17:33:23 | TheMasterMind1 | its getting there |
| 17:33:28 | TheMasterMind1 | slowly but surely |
| 17:33:54 | erikd | whardier: i think it has a better encoding quality |
| 17:34:00 | erikd | i use it for my rips |
| 17:34:17 | whardier | under doze |
| 17:34:18 | whardier | ? |
| 17:34:19 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: Is the build system working now? |
| 17:34:20 | erikd | linux |
| 17:34:24 | erikd | and transcode |
| 17:34:32 | whardier | mencoder support? |
| 17:34:43 | erikd | http://images.erikd.org/ss/rips/13ghosts.png |
| 17:34:45 | erikd | probably |
| 17:34:47 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn: it works, but we need to convert all the old makefiles tothe new format |
| 17:34:48 | TheMasterMind1 | which we are doing |
| 17:34:51 | erikd | that's an xvid ss |
| 17:35:20 | whardier | erikd and you play them somehow :) |
| 17:35:21 | erikd | http://images.erikd.org/ss/rips/re3.png |
| 17:35:24 | erikd | same with that one |
| 17:35:33 | erikd | wha? i use mplayer |
| 17:35:34 | whardier | is that with post processing? |
| 17:35:37 | erikd | no |
| 17:35:38 | TheMasterMind1 | keyframes? |
| 17:35:44 | whardier | --disable-xvid |
| 17:35:47 | whardier | gotcha |
| 17:35:49 | whardier | is gonna use that now |
| 17:36:02 | erikd | wha? |
| 17:36:05 | whardier | nothing |
| 17:36:09 | erikd | --disable-xvid? |
| 17:36:13 | whardier | I am gonna run some network perfomance tests with xvind now :) |
| 17:36:18 | erikd | xvid > * :) |
| 17:36:24 | whardier | well.. it has xvid support |
| 17:36:27 | whardier | thats all I am saying |
| 17:36:30 | TheMasterMind1 | the 13 ghosts is better :D |
| 17:36:30 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: so what do you think between the latest LOTR with mencoder versus the xvid w/ transcode? |
| 17:36:31 | erikd | that 13 ghosts rip < 700<B |
| 17:36:33 | erikd | err |
| 17:36:35 | erikd | MB* |
| 17:36:48 | whardier | punches erikd |
| 17:36:58 | Harlekin | Onyx4: xvid is better for cpui |
| 17:36:59 | whardier | I havve over 30 rippped DVVD's from netflixx |
| 17:37:00 | erikd | i sent it to scanline, ask him :) |
| 17:37:06 | whardier | DVVD''s |
| 17:37:07 | whardier | heh |
| 17:37:08 | whardier | damnit |
| 17:37:09 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: cpu? |
| 17:37:11 | whardier | DVD |
| 17:37:13 | Harlekin | Onyx4: xcept from that, its the same |
| 17:37:13 | ljp | whats a dvd? |
| 17:37:17 | Harlekin | Onyx4: during playback |
| 17:37:18 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: CRIMINAL!! |
| 17:37:19 | whardier | punches ljp |
| 17:37:20 | Onyx4 | really? |
| 17:37:24 | erikd | ljp: a cd! |
| 17:37:25 | Harlekin | Onyx4: looks like it |
| 17:37:27 | whardier | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 17:37:28 | erikd | ... |
| 17:37:32 | Harlekin | Onyx4: and we have asm code coming for it |
| 17:37:48 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: mmm ok, I might try to put xvid inside zmencoder as an option |
| 17:37:59 | Onyx4 | because that might still be faster than transcode but use xvid |
| 17:37:59 | erikd | bbl, gonna watch rain man and work |
| 17:38:07 | whardier | it performs well under integer? |
| 17:38:13 | whardier | cpui? |
| 17:38:27 | Onyx4 | or encode ogm with xvid and ogg audio for top quality |
| 17:38:39 | whardier | ogm? |
| 17:38:43 | whardier | is sooo very confused! |
| 17:38:44 | erikd | yes! |
| 17:38:52 | whardier | erikd ? |
| 17:38:54 | whardier | BLAH! |
| 17:38:57 | erikd | xvid/ogg > divx4/mp3 |
| 17:38:57 | whardier | runs around in circles |
| 17:39:12 | erikd | all my rips are xvid/ogg :) |
| 17:39:13 | Harlekin | erikd: and that then in a ogm |
| 17:39:14 | whardier | maybe I could actually fit LOTR on CD |
| 17:39:15 | whardier | heheh |
| 17:39:26 | Harlekin | erikd: tehn you could stream it via icecast2 into op2 |
| 17:39:33 | Onyx4 | whardier: I fit LOTR on 256mb CF card |
| 17:39:35 | erikd | whardier: ehhh... quality might be too low |
| 17:39:48 | erikd | harlekin: hmm |
| 17:39:51 | ljp | thinks dvd's are overrated |
| 17:39:57 | Harlekin | Onyx4: and you did that with a _great_ quality |
| 17:40:03 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 17:40:05 | whardier | thhinks ljp is overrrated |
| 17:40:08 | erikd | onyx4: what did you use to watch it? |
| 17:40:09 | erikd | hehe |
| 17:40:10 | ljp | haha |
| 17:40:12 | whardier | ljp: they are canning BETAMAX players |
| 17:40:19 | whardier | are youu prepared for a world without? |
| 17:40:28 | ljp | they should have done that back in the 60's |
| 17:40:50 | ljp | U-max is the way to go |
| 17:40:56 | Onyx4 | erikd: watch it? on the Z, op2 |
| 17:41:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: did you ever get mplayer working properly |
| 17:41:26 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 17:41:46 | Onyx4 | sound seems like it's not working right |
| 17:42:40 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 17:43:25 | whardier | my pda can receive multicast streams |
| 17:43:27 | whardier | which makes me happy |
| 17:43:52 | whardier | I can send an avi to a multicast utility I dig |
| 17:43:59 | whardier | receive it eveerywhere on that switch at the same time |
| 17:44:06 | whardier | (except locally of course) |
| 17:44:11 | Harlekin | Onyx4: btw, hows new op2 beta performing? |
| 17:44:58 | Onyx4 | very well, I think it's faster a bit |
| 17:45:20 | Onyx4 | I did get to see some memory errors again tough, which I wasn't getting in the sept 5th version |
| 17:45:45 | Onyx4 | but it could have been just because I ran lot of stuff on my Z before, I need to test from a clean reboot again |
| 17:45:53 | Harlekin | yes |
| 17:45:56 | Harlekin | allways |
| 17:46:03 | Harlekin | due to the broken kernel |
| 17:46:07 | Onyx4 | BTW if you want an ogm file, just run on my LOTR this: ogmmerge -o lotr.ogm LOTR.avi |
| 17:46:08 | Onyx4 | that's it |
| 17:46:15 | Onyx4 | it'll do a ogm with mp3/divx |
| 17:46:18 | whardier | ogmerge? |
| 17:46:21 | whardier | whats an ogm? |
| 17:46:34 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 17:46:34 | Onyx4 | ibot: ogm is at http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/ogmtools/ |
| 17:46:37 | Harlekin | Onyx4: great |
| 17:46:46 | Harlekin | Onyx4: ill send you a new version tomorrow |
| 17:46:52 | Harlekin | that should play ogm fine |
| 17:46:58 | Harlekin | Onyx4: or you try hte one you have |
| 17:47:14 | whardier | ogg media streams |
| 17:47:24 | Harlekin | whardier: ist just ogg |
| 17:47:29 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: mmm just tried it it looks like the sound is not in sync anymore with ogm |
| 17:47:31 | Harlekin | some windows people renamed it to ogm |
| 17:47:35 | whardier | ???ogg + video? |
| 17:47:37 | Onyx4 | maybe I need to encode the audio seperate and mix it |
| 17:47:43 | Harlekin | since windows is to lame to determine whts in a file |
| 17:47:44 | Harlekin | whardier: yes |
| 17:47:46 | Harlekin | whardier: no |
| 17:47:51 | whardier | ? |
| 17:47:55 | Harlekin | whardier: its audio + video in ogg |
| 17:48:03 | Harlekin | instead off just audio on ogg |
| 17:48:03 | whardier | the video is a copy? |
| 17:48:09 | Harlekin | you can also put mp3 in ogg |
| 17:48:13 | Harlekin | ogg is just a transport |
| 17:48:19 | whardier | why? |
| 17:48:36 | Harlekin | whardier: i guess you mean vorbis |
| 17:48:39 | Harlekin | thats a audio codec |
| 17:48:49 | whardier | no I mean why |
| 17:49:22 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: hi |
| 17:49:28 | kryhme | hey |
| 17:49:47 | whardier | thougght kryhme was commited |
| 17:50:06 | kryhme | who said i wasn't committed |
| 17:50:21 | whardier | you irc'ing with morse code down the water pipes? |
| 17:50:26 | kryhme | i've had my Z for 2 weeks or less, and i'm already running OZ ... that's commitment |
| 17:50:55 | kryhme | a commitment to myself to make my pda the best and most customizable it can be |
| 17:51:08 | Onyx4 | kryhme: how are things since last night |
| 17:51:43 | kryhme | not bad, i had a lot of trouble getting it to sync, and it still wont;.... but i can transfer files via ftp now, so that's all i really care about |
| 17:52:00 | kryhme | i've got op2 installed now, so i'm gonna try and use that |
| 17:52:22 | whardier | mooMOOmoOmOOmOomOO |
| 17:52:28 | kryhme | onyx4: where can i find that feed that we were talking about last night |
| 17:53:02 | whardier | could make a cheap audio file xfer tool using moomoo encoding |
| 17:53:05 | Onyx4 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 17:53:27 | whardier | why is that there? |
| 17:53:57 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I think ogmmerge does not support files that have VBR mp3 into avi, so the ones from transcode might work tough |
| 17:53:57 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz i put it there |
| 17:54:24 | kryhme | is there any difference between the kismet in the 2.9.9 feed than the one on the kismet site? |
| 17:54:38 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 17:54:43 | kryhme | ok |
| 17:54:47 | TheMasterMind1 | the one in the feed works with oz |
| 17:55:02 | Harlekin | Onyx4: best would be ogg sound |
| 17:55:06 | Harlekin | since it saves space |
| 17:55:06 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 17:55:13 | Harlekin | Onyx4: maybe to 2 steps |
| 17:55:19 | Harlekin | split avi |
| 17:55:21 | Harlekin | divx and mp3 |
| 17:55:24 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: yeah but going from mp3->ogg is worse |
| 17:55:25 | Harlekin | then mp3 -> ogg |
| 17:55:27 | Harlekin | then merge it |
| 17:55:32 | Harlekin | ah |
| 17:55:33 | Harlekin | youre right |
| 17:55:36 | Onyx4 | cause they don't cut the same frequencies |
| 17:55:44 | Onyx4 | you need to start from the original |
| 17:56:02 | Onyx4 | altough a good mp3 divx rip might work since we're going down to like 56kbit |
| 17:56:38 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 17:56:47 | Harlekin | maybe just do it for testing |
| 17:56:49 | whardier | anybody played buzzword? |
| 17:56:50 | Harlekin | a 6 mb file |
| 17:56:53 | Harlekin | and try to stream |
| 17:56:56 | kergoth | opie-buzzword is nifty |
| 17:57:01 | Onyx4 | my xine segfault when I try to play ogm weird |
| 17:57:03 | whardier | whats the objective |
| 17:57:06 | whardier | I just got "bingo" |
| 17:57:09 | whardier | and I don't know how to play |
| 17:57:26 | kergoth | whardier: the objective is to listen during meetings for buzzwords |
| 17:57:30 | kergoth | whardier: and tap them as you hear them |
| 17:57:34 | whardier | heh! |
| 17:57:34 | kergoth | whardier: to keep yourself less bored |
| 17:57:35 | [DrEvil] | anyone know if there is a list of the files that changed between the Sharp ROM 2.37 and 2.38? |
| 17:57:39 | kergoth | whardier: its a dilbert thing |
| 17:57:43 | whardier | really |
| 17:57:44 | whardier | heh |
| 17:58:10 | whardier | it has "dongle" |
| 17:58:26 | whardier | stands up |
| 17:58:29 | whardier | excuse me.. dongle |
| 17:58:31 | whardier | thanks you |
| 17:58:32 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:58:34 | whardier | sits down |
| 17:58:42 | kergoth | whardier: cheater |
| 17:58:50 | whardier | kergoth: nope |
| 17:58:55 | whardier | somebody will soon stand up and say |
| 17:59:00 | whardier | "dongle?" |
| 17:59:32 | whardier | is just making a butterfly in china flap its wings a little harder |
| 17:59:37 | whardier | thats not cheating |
| 18:00:04 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/backgammon/backgammon.html <-- now with computer opponent |
| 18:00:09 | whardier | by the way |
| 18:00:20 | whardier | if you guys want some automagical proxy arpness |
| 18:00:29 | whardier | check out the proxy arp daemon |
| 18:00:36 | whardier | on freshmeat |
| 18:00:39 | whardier | parmrouted |
| 18:00:42 | whardier | parprouted |
| 18:00:52 | whardier | might be usefull for you little goobers that use usb |
| 18:01:02 | kergoth | whardier: better than echo'ing proxyarp enable in proc? |
| 18:01:04 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 18:01:07 | whardier | also.. if you want to make it snag a dhcp address from your dhcpserver on another machine |
| 18:01:17 | whardier | kergoth: in this scenerio.. yes |
| 18:01:22 | whardier | then use dhcp3-relay |
| 18:01:25 | whardier | its the pimp |
| 18:01:48 | whardier | then your pda can obtain an address "which is most likely always the same" |
| 18:01:54 | whardier | parprouted will pick it up |
| 18:02:00 | whardier | of fof arp requests from your pda |
| 18:02:06 | whardier | and set up the routing itself |
| 18:02:11 | whardier | without using the kernel proxy arp |
| 18:02:19 | whardier | it has its own stuffins |
| 18:02:30 | whardier | its nice for makeing pseudo bridges from wireless stations |
| 18:02:37 | whardier | if you can't have hostap mode |
| 18:02:41 | whardier | extremis: orinoco |
| 18:02:42 | whardier | err |
| 18:02:45 | whardier | example: orinoco |
| 18:02:47 | Onyx4 | so you guys are interested in having a XVID option for zmencoder? |
| 18:02:53 | whardier | beats bitchx with a wet noodle |
| 18:02:58 | whardier | Onyx4 can anything play it on the z? |
| 18:03:05 | Onyx4 | sure everything |
| 18:03:09 | Onyx4 | op2/mplayer/etc |
| 18:03:15 | whardier | tkcvideo? |
| 18:03:18 | Onyx4 | yep I think so |
| 18:03:23 | whardier | heh |
| 18:03:31 | whardier | I don't |
| 18:05:49 | kryhme | onyx... what change did i have to make to that conf file for kismet |
| 18:05:57 | kryhme | in order to use the pcmcia |
| 18:06:33 | angry | what are the different visual interfaces / graphics dinghies you can use with C? |
| 18:06:44 | whardier | dongles? |
| 18:06:56 | angry | like GTK |
| 18:06:57 | Onyx4 | kryhme: just make a little script to start kismet that calls "kismiet-monitor -t prism2_hostap -i wlan0" then kismet |
| 18:06:59 | angry | except other ones |
| 18:07:00 | angry | heh |
| 18:07:19 | kryhme | cool |
| 18:07:27 | Onyx4 | kryhme: at the end kismiet_unmonitor -t prism2_hostap -i wlan0 |
| 18:07:32 | TheMasterMind1 | kismet-monitor -H |
| 18:07:34 | TheMasterMind1 | to do hopping |
| 18:07:38 | Onyx4 | no |
| 18:07:43 | Onyx4 | not with prism2hostap |
| 18:07:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:07:48 | Onyx4 | it does hopping already |
| 18:07:53 | TheMasterMind1 | interestingsd |
| 18:07:53 | kryhme | nixw |
| 18:07:55 | kryhme | nice |
| 18:08:10 | Onyx4 | because of the wireless extensions |
| 18:08:22 | kryhme | so, when it hops channels, does it still talk to the networks it's already found on their respective channels? |
| 18:08:33 | Onyx4 | kryhme: kismet never talks |
| 18:08:35 | Onyx4 | only listens |
| 18:08:37 | kryhme | right |
| 18:08:51 | Onyx4 | it'll work just like wlan-ng |
| 18:09:20 | kryhme | yeah, but kismet in general... does it listen to the networks it's already found while it's hopping other channels |
| 18:09:29 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 18:09:30 | kryhme | or does it only listen again when it passes that channel |
| 18:09:34 | kryhme | ok |
| 18:09:41 | kryhme | that was just something i was wondering |
| 18:09:49 | Onyx4 | it listens again when it passes that channel |
| 18:09:55 | whardier | heh |
| 18:09:59 | kergoth | Onyx4: shouldnt the kismet_monitor script be picking up prism2_hostap from the type in kismet.conf? |
| 18:10:00 | whardier | I can use my PDA as a tablet |
| 18:10:02 | Onyx4 | but that happens so quick that it's like listening to all at same time |
| 18:10:21 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I thought this was because of the posix stuff in busybox |
| 18:10:25 | Onyx4 | it cuts some letters |
| 18:10:36 | Onyx4 | like "wan0" insteaf of wlan0 |
| 18:10:40 | Onyx4 | etc |
| 18:10:42 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:10:46 | TheMasterMind1 | it was doing that to me too |
| 18:10:49 | TheMasterMind1 | but only with unmonitor |
| 18:10:50 | kergoth | ah [:digit:] and shit |
| 18:10:52 | TheMasterMind1 | monitor works fine |
| 18:11:02 | kergoth | we should adapt busybox to support them, or just alter the monitor/unmonitor scripts |
| 18:11:08 | TheMasterMind1 | alter the scripts |
| 18:11:08 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 18:11:13 | TheMasterMind1 | monitor is already altered and fixed |
| 18:11:18 | TheMasterMind1 | but unmonitor's patch isn't working right |
| 18:11:21 | kergoth | ahh |
| 18:11:27 | MSpin | if you use kismet_qt it doesn't need the kismet monitor or hopper:) |
| 18:11:32 | kergoth | yeah, i couldve sworn i had patched them a while back |
| 18:11:34 | kergoth | MSpin: </plug> |
| 18:11:36 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:11:39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:11:41 | MSpin | kergoth: hehe;) |
| 18:11:48 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 18:11:52 | TheMasterMind1 | new mplayer out |
| 18:12:05 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: is util-linux still superflouous in the new build system? |
| 18:12:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk pull |
| 18:12:25 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: busybox provides everythign it does except for fdisk |
| 18:13:14 | TheMasterMind1 | # mencoder: -ss fixed for 3-pass encoding |
| 18:14:30 | tboc | btw. is there a way to port a grub/lilo like bootloader for the Z so one can switch to X11/qpe? |
| 18:14:43 | kryhme | so i guess i need the pcap lib for kismet to work right? |
| 18:14:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: yes, grab it from that feed |
| 18:15:45 | kryhme | so if i d/l software from zsi in ipk form is it not gonna work on OZ? |
| 18:15:55 | kryhme | because of how it is packaged |
| 18:15:57 | kergoth | tboc: you dont need grub/lilo to use x11 |
| 18:16:11 | TheMasterMind1 | awaits picogui! |
| 18:16:13 | tboc | kergoth: yeah i know |
| 18:16:21 | tboc | kergoth: but it would be useful anyway |
| 18:16:42 | kergoth | tboc: read OZ's todo. switching to a better bootloader would be nice, but its pretty far down ont he list :) |
| 18:16:53 | tboc | kergoth: k :( |
| 18:17:39 | kergoth | tboc: next is running opie as a nonroot user, then switching to 2.4.19, then bootloader ... with some other smaller stuff thrown amongst those for good measure |
| 18:18:00 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/tablet.png |
| 18:18:07 | whardier | a failed attempt at using my pda as a tablet |
| 18:18:20 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: xvid encoding might work with zmencoder, but it's like 15fps so it's slooow |
| 18:18:21 | whardier | as seen thru the eyes of x2x -from :1 -to :0 |
| 18:18:27 | whardier | and opie-keypebble |
| 18:18:32 | tboc | kergoth: what's new in 2.4.19? |
| 18:18:40 | tboc | kergoth: (with use on the Z) |
| 18:18:53 | TheMasterMind1 | everything |
| 18:19:05 | chouimat | whardier: :) |
| 18:19:07 | TheMasterMind1 | dreams of preempt 2.4.19 on the Z |
| 18:19:29 | deevee | when i get my z do i REALLY have to charge it for 30 hours? |
| 18:19:48 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 18:20:30 | | contest is, like, http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ or NEW: UPDATE ON CHALLENGE WEBSITE - SHIPPING DELAYED |
| 18:20:30 | jbardin | ibot contest |
| 18:20:30 | tboc | kergoth: any idea when 2.4.19 will be ready? |
| 18:20:46 | Onyx4 | deevee: leave it plugged in into the AC for at least 10 hours |
| 18:20:52 | Onyx4 | deevee: but you can still use it while you do that |
| 18:20:57 | Onyx4 | deevee: that backup battery has to charge |
| 18:21:13 | angry | that is, unless it's a used z ;) |
| 18:21:37 | deevee | ah |
| 18:21:38 | deevee | k |
| 18:21:50 | deevee | i orderd mine at buy.com |
| 18:22:01 | kryhme | i ordered mine at buy.com |
| 18:22:02 | deevee | it was $333 last week the they changed it to $348 |
| 18:22:03 | nadav | how much are they these days? |
| 18:22:06 | deevee | pissed me off |
| 18:22:22 | deevee | i paid $378 total with tax |
| 18:22:27 | kryhme | shit |
| 18:22:42 | [DrEvil] | buy.com pretty much sucks |
| 18:22:42 | akawaka | i ordered from thinkgeek and they still haven't shipped |
| 18:22:47 | deevee | heh |
| 18:22:54 | deevee | thinkgeek charges way way to much |
| 18:23:12 | [DrEvil] | anyone know of a good util to compare 2 directories and see which files are different? |
| 18:23:19 | whardier | diff |
| 18:23:55 | kergoth | or rsync set to do a trial run |
| 18:23:57 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:24:01 | whardier | that would work beautifully |
| 18:24:07 | angry | i got mine from some dude for $215 |
| 18:24:11 | angry | udes |
| 18:24:13 | angry | *used |
| 18:24:13 | whardier | that makes me angry |
| 18:24:14 | whardier | heh |
| 18:24:15 | angry | 5000d too |
| 18:24:17 | angry | heh |
| 18:24:24 | whardier | I need.. 10 more of these guys |
| 18:24:25 | [DrEvil] | I want to get only the changed files out of the 2.38 rom |
| 18:24:27 | nadav | heh |
| 18:24:28 | whardier | and a mr fusion |
| 18:26:14 | kryhme | well i got kismet going |
| 18:26:15 | MSpin | we all need a Mr Fusion:) |
| 18:26:33 | kryhme | thinks this oz thing isn't going to be so difficult after all |
| 18:26:36 | [DrEvil] | and an Orgasmatron |
| 18:26:40 | deevee | does anyone here have the linksys wcf12? |
| 18:26:49 | kryhme | i have wcf11 |
| 18:27:03 | [DrEvil] | I noticed that D-Link has slimmed down their card |
| 18:27:04 | whardier | I want the little ones |
| 18:27:25 | deevee | i want a card with the best antena |
| 18:27:26 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: yes, they have |
| 18:27:27 | deevee | for wardriving |
| 18:28:07 | kryhme | you'd want a pcmica card with a cf adaptor then... specifically a card that could support an external antenna |
| 18:28:18 | deevee | yea |
| 18:28:25 | deevee | but that would use allot of power wouldnt it |
| 18:28:33 | [DrEvil] | you probably wont get it unless you manage to find a CF card with an external antenna |
| 18:28:38 | kryhme | but if you're talking straight cf cards, it's just gonna be a tradeoff battery life for signal |
| 18:29:42 | MSpin | one might be able to hack an antenna onto one of the DLink or Linksys cards |
| 18:29:57 | deevee | mmm |
| 18:30:00 | MSpin | a bigger antenna won't use more power |
| 18:30:09 | [DrEvil] | MSpin could do it |
| 18:30:12 | MSpin | infact, if you use kismet, you aren't transmitting *anything* |
| 18:30:30 | tux_mike | exit.c:83: warning: `noreturn' function does return |
| 18:30:31 | tux_mike | ... |
| 18:30:32 | kryhme | yeah, there was a link to a site that said how to hack an antenna onto a dlink card... but the link was dead... the doc must be out there though |
| 18:30:34 | tux_mike | :) |
| 18:30:50 | whardier | needs a moist fractal |
| 18:30:57 | Twiun | indeed |
| 18:31:14 | kryhme | unless you are using a cisco card, which will send out beacon packets even though kismet tells it not to |
| 18:31:28 | MSpin | kryhme: use www.archive.org |
| 18:31:41 | MSpin | I don't think cisco makes a CF version tough:) |
| 18:31:51 | kryhme | no, it doesnt |
| 18:32:10 | Twiun | whardier: if you want a moist fractal... why not port Xaos or Fractint? |
| 18:32:23 | whardier | uhm |
| 18:32:27 | whardier | slow |
| 18:32:49 | ljp | kicks something |
| 18:32:51 | Twiun | finally got his £$*%&£( code to work... |
| 18:32:55 | Twiun | orgasms |
| 18:33:00 | whardier | kicks ass |
| 18:33:08 | Twiun | This is what a programmer is all about! |
| 18:33:17 | Twiun | creams himself... |
| 18:33:23 | Twiun | Thank fucking finally. |
| 18:33:24 | kryhme | are you programming on the Z or for the Z |
| 18:33:25 | chouimat | wow! the first IRC orgasm I ever saw |
| 18:33:43 | Twiun | kryhme: For the Z... making a fb driver for java |
| 18:33:48 | kryhme | ah |
| 18:34:01 | Twiun | kryhme: monitoring it via vnc :-) |
| 18:34:18 | Twiun | chouimat: Just for you... I knew you wanted to watch... |
| 18:34:31 | MSpin | wow....gives new meaning to 'netsex' |
| 18:34:35 | chouimat | Twiun: sick |
| 18:34:53 | tboc | btw. anyone managed to compile qplot? i got a problem with the qplot-inputmethod |
| 18:34:54 | chouimat | MSpin: netsex it's called here typing |
| 18:35:13 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/qube_wap2.jpg |
| 18:35:17 | whardier | thats my wap now |
| 18:35:18 | whardier | its so cute |
| 18:35:35 | Twiun | chouimat: I know ;-) I only do once a year... too much of a good thing, ya know... |
| 18:35:48 | Twiun | And now, back to our regular programming... |
| 18:36:06 | ljp | thats your computer?! |
| 18:36:13 | ljp | thats ity bity |
| 18:36:17 | whardier | thats a qube |
| 18:36:21 | whardier | well |
| 18:36:23 | whardier | a wube 2 |
| 18:36:24 | whardier | err |
| 18:36:25 | whardier | yeah |
| 18:37:04 | whardier | 250mhz if MIPS firewalling power |
| 18:37:13 | whardier | and a 20 gig drive of squidding |
| 18:37:18 | chouimat | whardier: a closet computer!!!!!! |
| 18:37:23 | whardier | makes mommas proud |
| 18:37:29 | whardier | chouimat ? |
| 18:37:45 | chouimat | whardier: nothing |
| 18:39:03 | rikkus | whardier: hmm, thought they were x86 |
| 18:39:33 | ljp | whardier has a momma? |
| 18:39:33 | whardier | hehe |
| 18:39:35 | rikkus | damn expensive things |
| 18:39:47 | whardier | rikkus the new ones are |
| 18:39:52 | whardier | the qube 2 and below are mips |
| 18:39:56 | rikkus | ah |
| 18:40:23 | whardier | chouimat: http://segfault.bogomip.com/closet.png |
| 18:40:24 | rikkus | looks nice |
| 18:40:29 | whardier | yes I am in my closet |
| 18:40:29 | whardier | heh |
| 18:40:30 | rikkus | you could stick it on top of a cupboard |
| 18:40:46 | whardier | the big monitors face is about 2 inches behind the main wall |
| 18:40:48 | rikkus | does it have a fan ? |
| 18:40:49 | erikd | .png |
| 18:40:49 | erikd | 02:43PM <rikkus> looks nice |
| 18:40:54 | erikd | uhmmm |
| 18:40:55 | erikd | wtf |
| 18:41:00 | whardier | erikd ? |
| 18:41:01 | erikd | oops? |
| 18:41:12 | whardier | hehehe |
| 18:41:15 | whardier | not like I don't babble |
| 18:41:19 | erikd | i was trying to copy that url and people kept talking and it screwed up on me |
| 18:43:13 | whardier | I need to reorganize my office again |
| 18:43:31 | whardier | I am thinking about adding more table space inside the closet |
| 18:43:44 | whardier | so I can shove things in DEEPER! |
| 18:43:50 | erikd | how much would a decent ultrasparc system cost? |
| 18:43:50 | XavierXeon | needs to reorganize his brain again |
| 18:44:15 | whardier | erikd: Overlord_Choadster on slashnet.org/#lcdproc would know |
| 18:44:31 | erikd | cool |
| 18:46:36 | cbxtriker | Hey guys, I'm getting ready to order a Zaurus SL-5500. Anyone have any advice on which wireless network adapter to get with it? |
| 18:46:37 | whardier | hehe |
| 18:46:49 | whardier | wants to get with Jenna Jameson |
| 18:47:01 | kryhme | get the d-link or the linksys |
| 18:47:04 | erikd | cbxtriker: when you find a good one let me know :) |
| 18:47:05 | FifthEcho | The Linksys WFC11 has given me no problems... |
| 18:47:09 | erikd | ah |
| 18:47:21 | FifthEcho | ...the only problem with the Linksys is it blocks the stylus hole... |
| 18:47:27 | erikd | geh |
| 18:47:29 | kryhme | yeah, i have wcf11 ... works great |
| 18:47:38 | MSpin | that is easily fixed with a rat tail file |
| 18:47:39 | erikd | does it block anything? |
| 18:47:41 | kryhme | i think all wireless cf cards block the sylys port |
| 18:47:41 | cbxtriker | Any difference in power consumption? |
| 18:47:49 | kryhme | depends on the card |
| 18:47:50 | erikd | oh |
| 18:47:59 | FifthEcho | ...but I use a full size pen stylus...so that's not an issue for me... |
| 18:48:13 | kryhme | wcf11 takes more power than the wcf12 but you get a better signal |
| 18:48:40 | FifthEcho | Any WiFi card will eat battery... |
| 18:49:01 | FifthEcho | ...be it a PDA or a laptop, WiFi eats battery like nothing else... |
| 18:49:04 | whardier | http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity449.gif |
| 18:49:26 | whardier | FifthEcho: there are. ways.. of stuff.. |
| 18:49:37 | FifthEcho | Ways of stuff? |
| 18:49:41 | kryhme | comic chat |
| 18:50:02 | whardier | kryhme: yeah |
| 18:54:26 | whardier | thats.. AMORE!! |
| 18:56:49 | whardier | YABBA YABBA YABBA! |
| 18:56:59 | whardier | d00wd |
| 18:57:02 | kryhme | yatta, yatta |
| 18:58:09 | kryhme | http://www.verylowsodium.com/fanimutation/exuberance.php |
| 18:58:24 | kryhme | if you want to laugh and have a flash player |
| 18:58:56 | FifthEcho | ...the original Yatta video is scarier... |
| 18:59:11 | whardier | kryhme what the hell is that? |
| 18:59:19 | whardier | Yatta? |
| 18:59:25 | ibz | kryhme: not *all* wireless cf cards block the stylus port...or so i have heard on zaurus-general |
| 18:59:31 | [DrEvil] | yatta! |
| 18:59:34 | kryhme | whardialer: just made up crap |
| 18:59:37 | kryhme | i love it |
| 18:59:43 | whardier | hehe |
| 18:59:49 | whardier | kryhme: the newest linksys does not block it |
| 18:59:54 | whardier | its mucho smaller |
| 18:59:58 | kryhme | really |
| 19:00:01 | kryhme | interesting |
| 19:01:55 | whardier | ohman |
| 19:02:00 | whardier | that song is gonna be stuck in my head |
| 19:02:04 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:02:07 | kryhme | haw about this |
| 19:02:10 | whardier | the yatta song |
| 19:02:11 | kryhme | http://www.scripting.com/hyakugojyuuichi/ |
| 19:02:28 | kergoth | kryhme: prism 2.5 cards dont block the port, its a much smaller reference design and formfactor |
| 19:03:10 | FifthEcho | ...but not as large of an antenna and thus weaker signals. |
| 19:03:38 | kergoth | FifthEcho: thats a given |
| 19:03:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:03:50 | whardier | kryhme what the fuck are you into man! |
| 19:04:24 | FifthEcho | ...unless of course, you want to crack open your card and install a dipole...but you'd probably look kinda freaky with a 3 foot long dipole taped to your leg walkin' down the street... |
| 19:04:34 | kryhme | whardialer: i like things that make me laugh |
| 19:04:35 | kergoth | FifthEcho: theres an image |
| 19:04:42 | mark | heh |
| 19:04:48 | whardier | kryhme: the original makes more sense |
| 19:05:02 | kryhme | original what? |
| 19:05:04 | KeyserSoze | don't put the dipole on your leg. mount it to your tinfoil hat, instead. |
| 19:05:14 | FifthEcho | Keyser: Hehehe. |
| 19:05:16 | whardier | original yatta video |
| 19:05:24 | kryhme | i didn't know there was anotherone |
| 19:05:28 | whardier | heh |
| 19:05:32 | whardier | http://web.mit.edu/patil/www/media/video/yatta.asf |
| 19:05:46 | whardier | I hope you are prepared for leaves |
| 19:06:02 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 19:06:17 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: issues issues issues |
| 19:06:27 | [DrEvil] | I don't see ipkg-x86 building |
| 19:06:39 | kergoth | ?> |
| 19:06:41 | kergoth | builds fine |
| 19:06:44 | kergoth | its the first thing built actually |
| 19:06:47 | kergoth | you might want to update from cvs |
| 19:06:54 | kergoth | i just synced it back up with bk |
| 19:06:59 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/ipkg-x86/util/ipkg-build: No such file or directory |
| 19:06:59 | [DrEvil] | make[1]: *** [/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/kernel-modules_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4e_arm.ipk] Error 127 |
| 19:07:08 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: like i said, update |
| 19:07:15 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 19:07:42 | [DrEvil] | how do you run an update with bk? |
| 19:07:45 | kergoth | bk pull |
| 19:07:59 | [DrEvil] | inside the tree? |
| 19:08:01 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:08:25 | Harlekin | kergoth: ping |
| 19:08:31 | kergoth | Harlekin: pong |
| 19:08:34 | whardier | heh |
| 19:08:37 | whardier | I think you just missed him! |
| 19:08:39 | whardier | heh |
| 19:09:12 | Twiun | Some results... Java Graphics pixel pushing: 790tris/s 1fps, FB pixel pushing: 770tris/s 9fps... |
| 19:09:42 | Twiun | not much slowdown for a good increase in fps |
| 19:10:04 | Twiun | I might tune it a little tomorrow - see how high I can push the fps |
| 19:10:19 | Harlekin | kergoth: the ipkg gui on retail rom |
| 19:10:27 | Harlekin | does not see our -classic ipk |
| 19:10:28 | Harlekin | s |
| 19:10:28 | kergoth | Harlekin: it sucks :) |
| 19:10:30 | kergoth | ahh |
| 19:10:44 | kergoth | Harlekin: wrong filename? |
| 19:10:45 | kergoth | Harlekin: its picky |
| 19:10:47 | kergoth | Harlekin: cant be any caps |
| 19:10:57 | kergoth | Harlekin: and probably needs to be the normal format, name-version_arm.ipk |
| 19:11:02 | kergoth | Harlekin: try that |
| 19:11:21 | whardier | 7http://www.madblast.com/oska/humor_bin.swf |
| 19:11:23 | Harlekin | kergoth: tell that code_pupil |
| 19:11:24 | whardier | haha |
| 19:11:25 | Harlekin | arg |
| 19:11:28 | Harlekin | kergoth: Cloudchaser |
| 19:11:32 | Harlekin | kergoth: since i cannot test it |
| 19:11:36 | kergoth | k |
| 19:11:38 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ping |
| 19:11:40 | Harlekin | kergoth: Cloudchaser encountered the problem |
| 19:11:49 | kryhme | that yatta crap is nuts |
| 19:11:54 | Twiun | wonders where all the applause went to.. |
| 19:12:01 | Cloudchaser | Harlekin: you rang? |
| 19:12:30 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: kergoth has some questions about the "gui does not see ipks" |
| 19:12:46 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: whats the exact filename of the ipk? |
| 19:12:48 | Cloudchaser | ok i synched them to my sd card |
| 19:12:52 | Cloudchaser | oh sec |
| 19:12:55 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: and whats the behavior? not seen in teh list at all? |
| 19:12:57 | kergoth | k |
| 19:13:13 | Cloudchaser | not seen at all in install list |
| 19:13:26 | Cloudchaser | i had to go look and see if they were there ;) |
| 19:13:39 | Cloudchaser | opie-today_0.5-20020922_arm.ipk |
| 19:13:55 | Cloudchaser | libopie_0.9.1-20020922_arm.ipk |
| 19:14:12 | Cloudchaser | opie-today-datebookplugin_0.9.1-20020922_arm.ipk |
| 19:14:30 | kergoth | hm, those are named correctly.. strange. let me check into this |
| 19:14:33 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i'll get back to you :) |
| 19:14:39 | Cloudchaser | ok thanks |
| 19:14:53 | Cloudchaser | was going to test them out on sharp rom for harlekin |
| 19:15:34 | whardier | hugs Cloudchaser |
| 19:15:51 | Cloudchaser | hehe thanks whardier |
| 19:16:03 | whardier | we all need a little peace and love on a sunday! |
| 19:16:14 | Cloudchaser | nods and smiles |
| 19:16:32 | Cloudchaser | every day really, whardier |
| 19:16:33 | scanline | is back (gone 10:46:03) |
| 19:18:13 | whardier | anybody know how to encode using xvid under mencoder? |
| 19:18:29 | Cloudchaser | not me whardier |
| 19:18:30 | kryhme | you can't yet |
| 19:18:34 | kryhme | i don't think |
| 19:18:39 | whardier | it has xvid support |
| 19:18:43 | whardier | I just compiled it in |
| 19:18:45 | kryhme | really |
| 19:18:47 | kryhme | oh |
| 19:18:52 | kryhme | no clue then |
| 19:19:21 | whardier | heheh |
| 19:20:03 | kergoth | sunday.. my sundays always suck |
| 19:20:09 | whardier | lucky you |
| 19:20:12 | kergoth | cause they involve doing all the shit i shouldve done earlier in the week |
| 19:20:15 | whardier | o |
| 19:20:16 | whardier | h |
| 19:20:18 | kergoth | like laundry,dishes, cleaning |
| 19:20:19 | kergoth | blah |
| 19:20:21 | whardier | laundry! |
| 19:20:26 | whardier | Dishes! |
| 19:20:26 | whardier | I should do those |
| 19:20:32 | kergoth | i have no clean towels |
| 19:20:34 | kergoth | at all |
| 19:20:39 | whardier | I need to go knock over a 7-11 first |
| 19:20:41 | kergoth | i've got like 8 loads to do of laundry |
| 19:20:43 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 19:20:45 | kergoth | nice plan |
| 19:20:49 | whardier | shhh |
| 19:20:52 | treke|home | kergoth: I think that qualifies as most everyones sunday plan :) |
| 19:21:04 | ljp | pizza |
| 19:21:23 | kergoth | treke|home: still sucks though :) |
| 19:22:43 | kryhme | 15«[14 ibot 15]» : mencoder |
| 19:22:52 | kryhme | damn this script |
| 19:23:10 | treke|home | recommends turning off annoying scripts |
| 19:23:27 | kryhme | if only it were so easy |
| 19:23:54 | whardier | heh |
| 19:24:15 | whardier | compiles todays snapshot of mplayer |
| 19:24:43 | ljp | thinks mplayer is overrated |
| 19:24:54 | whardier | punches ljp |
| 19:24:58 | kergoth | thinks ljp is overrated |
| 19:25:02 | ljp | hehe |
| 19:25:05 | ljp | true that |
| 19:25:15 | mark | thinks kergoth's overratings are overrated |
| 19:25:26 | whardier | thinks hookers are overrated |
| 19:25:31 | Harlekin | Onyx4: tried it yet? .-) |
| 19:25:42 | kergoth | thinks mark's thoughts are overrrated |
| 19:25:43 | whardier | tally's ljp' |
| 19:25:45 | whardier | err |
| 19:25:48 | whardier | tally's ljps banana |
| 19:26:08 | ljp | 'scuse me? |
| 19:26:14 | mark | thinks kergoth's thoughts about my thoughts are overrated, but then kergoth would think that was overrated |
| 19:26:30 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 13 hours, 34 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Sun Sep 22 06:52:17 2002] |
| 19:26:30 | mark | ibot: seen warmi |
| 19:26:51 | ljp | thinks spam is overrated |
| 19:27:15 | mark | feels sorry for the people @ spam.com who get everyones junk mail |
| 19:28:27 | KeyserSoze | what do i need to install on my zaurus (with sharprom) to play divx movies? just the divx codec? |
| 19:28:41 | Twiun | wasn't there some website that tried to cache the web? (not talking about google) |
| 19:29:08 | KeyserSoze | it wouldn't work, if it was a website. |
| 19:29:18 | KeyserSoze | there'd be a circular recursive loop dependancy |
| 19:29:27 | Twiun | sighs |
| 19:29:33 | KeyserSoze | laughs |
| 19:29:44 | Twiun | Ok... a series of timed snapshots then |
| 19:29:48 | Twiun | close enough? |
| 19:29:49 | kergoth | somehow i think they would exclude themselves :) |
| 19:30:02 | KeyserSoze | well, then that's not the whole web. |
| 19:30:09 | KeyserSoze | it's less than half of it. |
| 19:30:15 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 19:30:20 | Twiun | gets murderous thoughts... |
| 19:30:49 | KeyserSoze | doesn't have anything to do while installing gentoo, other than be an ass on IRC. |
| 19:30:55 | mark | gah, whatever version of OZ/opie i've got here isn't beaming data properly |
| 19:32:49 | mark | 0.9.1-snapshot. do any oZ rom images have a higher version than that/ |
| 19:33:14 | kergoth | mark: thats a cvs snapshot. what date? |
| 19:33:21 | kergoth | mark: ipkg info |
| 19:34:00 | mark | 20020808 |
| 19:34:21 | whardier | day |
| 19:34:22 | whardier | I say day |
| 19:34:23 | whardier | I say day |
| 19:34:24 | ljp | I use 2.9.5.5 |
| 19:34:25 | whardier | I day day |
| 19:34:27 | whardier | asldfkjas;ldfjk |
| 19:34:32 | whardier | kicks ljp |
| 19:34:33 | MSpin | KeyserSoze: 1.4_rc1? |
| 19:34:54 | ljp | gets out the old Ford Econoline Van and runs over whardier |
| 19:35:17 | whardier | dude |
| 19:35:23 | whardier | can I have your van? |
| 19:36:28 | ibz | offtopic: leaked palm handhelds pics are soooo ugly... |
| 19:36:59 | whardier | ibz: where |
| 19:37:06 | ibz | slashdot |
| 19:37:33 | mark | kergoth: i can't get my Z accessing the net atm - later rom image have new snapshots than that? (20020808) |
| 19:38:18 | kryhme | washes that awful poo taste of m$ windows out of his mouth and settles down in a more comfortable linux environment |
| 19:38:26 | ibz | http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_Palm_TungstenT_R_1_L.jpg this one prolly the best looking tho |
| 19:38:28 | | bonjour, kryhme |
| 19:38:28 | kryhme | ibot hello |
| 19:38:36 | kergoth | mark: there are no newer rom images than 2.9.5.5 atm |
| 19:38:40 | | de nada ibz |
| 19:38:40 | ibz | ibot: thank you |
| 19:38:55 | Sophie | unf |
| 19:38:59 | whardier | unf? |
| 19:39:06 | mark | ljp: and thats got opie from when and does beaming work? |
| 19:39:27 | Mantus | anyone know how to get opie to recognize a .ogg as a audio file? |
| 19:39:35 | kergoth | Mantus: add it to mime.types |
| 19:39:38 | mark | Mantus: /etc/mime.types |
| 19:39:40 | kergoth | Mantus: in /opt/QtPalmtop/etc/ |
| 19:39:42 | kergoth | iirc |
| 19:39:48 | mark | oh, is it there. |
| 19:39:53 | chouimat|nap | ibz: I quite like the Zire |
| 19:40:36 | ibz | chouimat|nap: to each his own...not to my liking |
| 19:41:09 | ljp | mark: yes beaming works in this version |
| 19:41:15 | Mantus | kergoth: are you the OZ maintainer? |
| 19:41:18 | ljp | whardier: why do you want my van? |
| 19:41:35 | kergoth | Mantus: yes. |
| 19:42:02 | whardier | ljp: does it work? |
| 19:42:06 | kryhme | we should all have a barbeque |
| 19:42:25 | whardier | does not wanna got to ohio |
| 19:42:30 | ljp | needs a clutch and registration |
| 19:42:39 | kryhme | i don't blame you whardialer |
| 19:42:49 | whardier | kryhme you got a fetish with my name.. |
| 19:42:56 | whardier | I usually leave the telco out of the loop :) |
| 19:42:58 | kryhme | how do |
| 19:42:58 | Mantus | kergoth: i dunno if this an opie thing or just OZ related but when i set a program to fast load it runs everytime opie starts |
| 19:43:05 | kryhme | whardier: how so |
| 19:43:07 | kryhme | shit |
| 19:43:12 | kryhme | i had no idea |
| 19:43:15 | kryhme | hahahaha |
| 19:43:22 | whardier | you had no idea? |
| 19:43:27 | kryhme | no |
| 19:43:33 | whardier | whar<tab> |
| 19:43:36 | kryhme | i totally thought i was a play on words |
| 19:43:40 | kryhme | wardialer |
| 19:43:48 | whardier | heh |
| 19:44:20 | kryhme | like my name has the word rhyme in it, but it also sounds like crime |
| 19:44:23 | kryhme | it's clever like that |
| 19:44:29 | whardier | ljp: hehe.. damn.. I soo need a car |
| 19:44:36 | whardier | yeah |
| 19:44:38 | ljp | whardier: I did get it started a few days ago after sitting for 3 years |
| 19:44:47 | kergoth | Mantus: thats by design. |
| 19:44:49 | mark | gah why wont ipkg upgrade work. :(. whinge |
| 19:44:53 | kergoth | Mantus: what did you think fast load meant? |
| 19:44:55 | whardier | ljp: I need new CV's, Tranny and a new water pump |
| 19:45:01 | ljp | akk |
| 19:45:03 | kergoth | Mantus: it means its always running, so when you run it, it starts immediately |
| 19:45:05 | whardier | all three are broke |
| 19:45:05 | kryhme | ouch |
| 19:45:08 | Mantus | kergoth: well, it becomes active |
| 19:45:13 | kergoth | Mantus: yep |
| 19:45:19 | kergoth | Mantus: thats exactly as it should be |
| 19:45:24 | Mantus | i thought it should just stay hidden |
| 19:45:28 | ljp | well, if I get that job, you can have my van ;) |
| 19:45:34 | | kryhme: i'm not following you... |
| 19:45:34 | kryhme | ibot meencoder |
| 19:45:35 | whardier | I really love zsh |
| 19:45:41 | | mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert my movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 19:45:41 | kryhme | ibot mencoder |
| 19:45:53 | ljp | well, if you love it so much, why not marry it? |
| 19:45:54 | whardier | frontend? |
| 19:45:58 | whardier | you guys are pussies! |
| 19:46:03 | kryhme | except me |
| 19:46:06 | kryhme | i'm hardcore |
| 19:46:10 | kergoth | Mantus: 'hidden'? |
| 19:46:10 | whardier | thats funny |
| 19:46:24 | whardier | kryhme I go by hardwire most of the time |
| 19:46:32 | ljp | bbl |
| 19:46:33 | whardier | whardier is just hardwire all fangled up |
| 19:46:44 | whardier | ljp: I will so misses you! |
| 19:46:44 | Mantus | as in i dont see that its running until i click on the icon |
| 19:47:07 | Mantus | i know the process should be running |
| 19:47:38 | kergoth | Mantus: you referring to ps, or the runningappsbar? |
| 19:47:50 | kergoth | Mantus: you'll always see them in the process list, thats a given |
| 19:48:05 | ljp | I'll be back, I just have to go dig into a friends computer |
| 19:48:07 | kergoth | Mantus: as to running apps bar on the taskbar, that has been redone in recent opie's, i'd hold judgement until you try a recent opie |
| 19:48:30 | whardier | watches ljp get the shovel |
| 19:48:42 | Mantus | has opie merged with qtopia 1.6? |
| 19:48:52 | whardier | heh |
| 19:48:57 | kergoth | Mantus: huh? |
| 19:49:01 | ljp | heh the bit shovel |
| 19:49:04 | Mantus | i read on some german site |
| 19:49:09 | whardier | remember the bit bucket |
| 19:49:12 | Mantus | it would merge with 1.6 |
| 19:49:16 | kergoth | Mantus: libqpe has taken qtopia 1.6 improvements, yes |
| 19:49:21 | whardier | germans fanticize |
| 19:49:22 | kergoth | Mantus: i dont believe we've merged the apps |
| 19:49:28 | kergoth | Mantus: but ask harlekin or zecke |
| 19:49:29 | Harlekin | kergoth: no, since ours a better |
| 19:49:37 | kergoth | Mantus: i'm a minor player :) |
| 19:49:41 | kergoth | Harlekin: figured :) |
| 19:49:43 | Harlekin | kergoth: only improvments was netsetup |
| 19:49:52 | Harlekin | kergoth: and i pointed ben to it |
| 19:49:53 | mark | grr stupid firewall |
| 19:49:55 | whardier | gets 2100cc's of cat on his lap |
| 19:50:07 | kergoth | okay time to dig out my cf reader and reflash my Z |
| 19:50:25 | kryhme | the *nix community should band together and annoint one person as root ... that person will be the leader of everyone |
| 19:50:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:50:33 | chouimat|nap | whardier: mine is sleeping on my monitor, and must move the tail .... |
| 19:50:46 | kryhme | i'd like to nominate myself for the position of root |
| 19:50:48 | whardier | chouimat|nap my little one does that a lot |
| 19:50:52 | whardier | its like having a bit protector |
| 19:51:02 | Mantus | kryhme: someone would try to hack them ... local access style |
| 19:51:04 | whardier | except.. this one likes to sleep with the ass facing me |
| 19:51:22 | kryhme | the real root would be too smart for that |
| 19:51:33 | chouimat|nap | whardier: need to move it to my second monitor sometime one is cleaner than the other :) |
| 19:51:49 | whardier | can't distrub the kitty |
| 19:51:54 | whardier | disturb |
| 19:51:55 | whardier | heh |
| 19:51:59 | whardier | distrub |
| 19:52:15 | whardier | chouimat|nap: so if I walked into your office I would see some pussy on your screen? |
| 19:52:32 | chouimat|nap | whardier: yes |
| 19:52:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:52:36 | whardier | nice |
| 19:53:45 | chouimat|nap | Yay! got all Anita Blonde movies ... bbl :) |
| 19:54:02 | whardier | what? |
| 19:54:45 | chouimat|nap | whardier:just another type of pussy on my screen ... |
| 19:55:37 | whardier | porn fanatics |
| 19:56:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmmmm? |
| 19:56:24 | whardier | heh |
| 19:56:52 | nadav_ | heh |
| 19:57:02 | nadav_ | finially took the time to play with irssi |
| 19:57:06 | nadav_ | love it ;) |
| 19:57:20 | Grez | can anyone suggest any applications I should look at putting on my new zaurus? |
| 19:57:48 | kergoth | nadav_: me too, i finally switched from bitchx/xchat depending on context to irssi-text/irssi-gtk |
| 19:57:51 | Mantus | Grez: exult |
| 19:57:53 | | i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 19:57:53 | kryhme | ibot zsi |
| 19:57:57 | nadav_ | yeah |
| 19:57:59 | Mantus | Grez: and prboom |
| 19:58:11 | nadav_ | kergoth: i cant understand how i used bitchx now ;P |
| 19:58:12 | kryhme | grez check out that site |
| 19:58:22 | Mantus | plays ultima 7 at work :) |
| 19:58:35 | kergoth | nadav_: me neither. i love having each channel in a seperate window by default |
| 19:58:43 | kergoth | nadav_: makes it actually sane to have more than one channel |
| 19:58:46 | kergoth | nadav_: hehe |
| 19:58:47 | nadav_ | heh |
| 19:59:56 | Grez | what do people think of the tkc stuff? |
| 20:00:04 | Mantus | kergoth: do know if its possible to make the SD card mounted as /? |
| 20:00:20 | kergoth | Mantus: why? thatd be pretty stupid. |
| 20:00:24 | nadav_ | lol |
| 20:00:27 | kergoth | Mantus: you'd be wasting 16mb of flash |
| 20:00:32 | kergoth | Mantus: :) |
| 20:00:34 | Mantus | so? |
| 20:00:35 | CaptMiddy | Grez: depends on the product. In general they are okay |
| 20:00:39 | kergoth | Mantus: so do it then. |
| 20:00:43 | kergoth | Mantus: man pivot_root |
| 20:00:52 | Mantus | has no man pages |
| 20:00:56 | kryhme | Grez: the tkc stuff is pretty good, but a lot of it costs money and sometimes you can get better programs for free |
| 20:00:58 | kergoth | Mantus: I happen to think its annoyingly wasteful, but thats my opinion |
| 20:01:03 | kergoth | Mantus: dont own a linux box? google is your friend |
| 20:01:28 | Mantus | ill put a doom2 wad in it if it will make you feel better |
| 20:01:30 | Mantus | :) |
| 20:01:31 | kryhme | Grez: like the money managment program that tkc makes you pay for, isn't as good as the stash program that's free |
| 20:01:31 | CaptMiddy | I will say that the tkc stuff looks nicer than a lot of what is out there in the free arena. |
| 20:01:42 | Grez | I see |
| 20:01:45 | kryhme | i could use a doom2 wad |
| 20:02:07 | Twiun | kryhme: hunt around on the net - search for abandonwarez sites |
| 20:02:12 | Mantus | kryhme: www.abandonware-france.org |
| 20:02:19 | Twiun | grins |
| 20:02:29 | Mantus | its frech so watch out |
| 20:02:43 | Mantus | s/frech/french |
| 20:03:12 | kryhme | lol |
| 20:03:37 | Mantus | they have all sorts of (not-really)abandonware |
| 20:04:03 | kryhme | i'm working on putting my first divx movie on my Z right now |
| 20:04:13 | kryhme | Takedown |
| 20:04:36 | Mantus | i tried to watch a divx, didnt work so well |
| 20:04:46 | Mantus | may have been the audio codec though |
| 20:04:54 | Twiun | hmmm... anyone know where I can get the source for pocketlinux? |
| 20:05:00 | Harlekin | Mantus: which player? |
| 20:05:06 | Mantus | Harlekin: opie2 |
| 20:05:18 | Harlekin | Mantus: resolution? |
| 20:05:46 | treke|home | Twiun: pocketlinux.com? |
| 20:06:09 | Mantus | i think 352x240 |
| 20:06:09 | Twiun | treke|home: permission denied to browse / |
| 20:06:19 | Mantus | that may have been it too |
| 20:06:21 | treke|home | hmm |
| 20:06:47 | Harlekin | Mantus: was it large? |
| 20:06:52 | Mantus | 40MB |
| 20:06:55 | whardier | would not be surprised if squaresoft does not have military visualization projects |
| 20:07:52 | treke|home | Twiun: it may have disappeared into the ether along with the Agenda source :) |
| 20:08:00 | Twiun | feck |
| 20:08:10 | Twiun | and I was so looking forward to their framebuffer support |
| 20:09:01 | treke|home | wonder if transvirtual has bit the dust |
| 20:09:32 | mark | treke|home: i hope not. webpage down? |
| 20:09:46 | treke|home | transvirtuals site is down |
| 20:09:54 | Twiun | kaffe.org is still up |
| 20:10:15 | mark | i cant get to it |
| 20:10:58 | Twiun | I'm browsing the kaffe.org cvsweb as we speak |
| 20:13:15 | nadav | hm. |
| 20:13:41 | mark | gah i cant update my Z :( :( :( |
| 20:14:00 | nadav | hmmmmmmmm |
| 20:14:40 | kryhme | i wish i had a clay bottle with 'X X X' printed on the side filled with moonshine |
| 20:14:59 | nadav | hm |
| 20:16:40 | Mantus | kryhme: one can purchase clay bottles .. and everclear is close enough to moonshine |
| 20:17:12 | cranch | has anyone been able to install nmap on a SharpROM zaurus |
| 20:17:12 | cranch | ? |
| 20:17:37 | Mantus | cranch: yes, but i have not gotten it to scan anything except 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:17:43 | Mantus | says bus error |
| 20:17:47 | cranch | hmmm |
| 20:17:51 | cranch | did you have to do something special? |
| 20:18:06 | Mantus | no |
| 20:18:16 | Mantus | although i didnt use the ipk |
| 20:18:25 | Mantus | and it wasnt a recent version |
| 20:20:08 | cranch | hmmm |
| 20:21:09 | nadav | heh |
| 20:21:20 | brown | hey, someones here. ;) |
| 20:21:36 | brown | what you looking for nadav? |
| 20:22:38 | nadav | not looking for anything |
| 20:23:50 | brown | would you know anything about the Zaurus' charging system? |
| 20:24:47 | oz_nigga | you mean you as in you --> #zaurus |
| 20:25:02 | oz_nigga | cause i don't know dick |
| 20:25:34 | brown | at first it as nadav but now if anybody cares to answer or "chime" it, that's fine. |
| 20:27:15 | brown | What is typically talked about here ie, what about the Z is discussed? |
| 20:28:01 | kryhme | everything and anything related to it |
| 20:28:07 | kryhme | there are some smart people here |
| 20:29:00 | brown | has the Z battery charging been discussed? specifically the fact that the 5000 doesn't fully charge the Z? |
| 20:29:38 | nadav | sighs |
| 20:29:40 | nadav | be right back |
| 20:29:44 | brown | clearification: the 5000 battery is not ever fully charged to 950mAh. more like 700mAh |
| 20:30:52 | ibz | is interested to know how brown worked that out... |
| 20:31:56 | brown | I put a current meter inline to the power supply and took measurements every 1 minute and plotted it. |
| 20:32:21 | nadav | there. |
| 20:32:46 | brown | I thought something was up and it was mentioned in another forum that the 5000 didn't fully charge the batt. |
| 20:33:28 | ibz | brown: how does one know if the battery is well and truly _conditioned_? |
| 20:35:31 | brown | ibz: don't know. Haven't heard that LiOn need conditioning.... |
| 20:35:53 | kryhme | is prboom hard to install to OZ? |
| 20:37:06 | [DrEvil] | shouldn't be any harder to install than any other ipk |
| 20:37:23 | erikd | kryhme: no, it's just hard to play |
| 20:38:41 | nadav | ah, NOW screen works |
| 20:38:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:39:57 | nadav | finially |
| 20:40:56 | brown | navdav: you having system problems? ;) you keep popping in and out of the channel. |
| 20:41:05 | nadav | i know |
| 20:41:14 | nadav | well.. i was |
| 20:41:27 | nadav | should be fine now |
| 20:41:28 | nadav | heh |
| 20:41:39 | brown | I've heard that before. ;) |
| 20:41:45 | nadav | haha |
| 20:42:00 | nadav | well.. we'll see :) |
| 20:42:16 | brown | yup |
| 20:42:42 | nadav | heh |
| 20:43:20 | brown | anybody see that hack which installs a condenser mic inside the Z case? It was nicely done. IMHO. |
| 20:43:43 | nadav | yeah |
| 20:43:56 | brown | I hope Sharp eventually brings the audio signals out the bottom of the Z. |
| 20:44:27 | kergoth | brown: on the i/o port? the audio isnt connected up to those pins iirc |
| 20:45:26 | brown | kergoth: either on the I/O port or as another connector. It's only out the top now. |
| 20:49:43 | brown | well, not much happening here now. guess I'll check back tomorrow. |
| 20:52:02 | | TheMasterMind1: excuse me? |
| 20:52:02 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot mic |
| 20:53:24 | whardier | rikkus what xvid opts do you use? |
| 20:58:08 | mutexer | Where should I install my Zaurus game? |
| 20:58:15 | mutexer | whats the standard place? |
| 20:58:26 | mutexer | /usr/local/games or something like that? |
| 20:58:47 | | TheMasterMind1: sorry... |
| 20:58:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot sex |
| 20:59:13 | TheMasterMind1 | mutexer: /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/ /opt/QtPalmtop/Games/game.desktop |
| 20:59:14 | TheMasterMind1 | etc |
| 20:59:28 | TheMasterMind1 | somethign like that |
| 21:00:03 | rikkus | whardier: xvid ? |
| 21:00:45 | mutexer | will that make it showup under the games tab? |
| 21:03:18 | mutexer | so I would do something like this - /opt/QtPalmtop/Games/game.desktop/THP/ ? |
| 21:03:33 | mutexer | and put a link in /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/ ? |
| 21:03:38 | kergoth | mutexer: no. |
| 21:03:43 | kergoth | mutexer: game.desktop is a text file |
| 21:03:54 | mutexer | where do I put my game dir at? |
| 21:03:56 | kergoth | mutexer: which associates icon, bin, etc to create an icon on the qtopia/opie launcher |
| 21:04:02 | kergoth | mutexer: there is no 'game dir' persay |
| 21:04:09 | kergoth | mutexer: you put your binary in /opt/Qtopia/bin |
| 21:04:10 | mutexer | is there a standard place? |
| 21:04:16 | kergoth | mutexer: or /opt/QtPalmtop/bin |
| 21:04:31 | kergoth | mutexer: and images in /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/[appname]/ |
| 21:04:33 | kergoth | mutexer: etc |
| 21:04:37 | mutexer | Ive got tons of images and text files that go with the binary |
| 21:04:54 | kergoth | mutexer: text files go in somewhere appropriate |
| 21:04:57 | mutexer | they all need to be in the same dir...is it gonna find them? |
| 21:04:59 | kergoth | mutexer: images go where i said |
| 21:05:05 | kergoth | mutexer: they need to be in the same dir? |
| 21:05:10 | kergoth | mutexer: thats bad. |
| 21:05:12 | kergoth | mutexer: fix it. |
| 21:05:19 | mutexer | it checks for ./images/blah |
| 21:05:26 | kergoth | mutexer: most unix machines dont expect to put everything in one dir |
| 21:05:33 | kergoth | mutexer: this is no exception |
| 21:05:33 | kergoth | mutexer: dont do that. |
| 21:05:37 | mutexer | hrmm |
| 21:05:39 | mutexer | crap |
| 21:05:41 | kergoth | mutexer: use $QPEDIR as a reference point |
| 21:05:47 | kergoth | mutexer: and read the developer documentation |
| 21:05:49 | kergoth | mutexer: and howtos |
| 21:05:56 | mutexer | this is gonna take forever |
| 21:06:08 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:06:13 | mutexer | what do I look for? |
| 21:06:18 | kergoth | sounds like a couple search/replace operations in the code |
| 21:06:20 | mutexer | to find out how to do this? |
| 21:06:22 | kergoth | will take about 5 minutes flat |
| 21:06:28 | kergoth | read the qtopia documentation |
| 21:06:30 | | howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 21:06:30 | kergoth | ibot howto |
| 21:06:34 | kergoth | mutexer: the qtopia docs are in the sdk |
| 21:06:38 | kergoth | mutexer: and read the howtos |
| 21:07:02 | mutexer | which howto? |
| 21:07:07 | mutexer | I dont see a relevant one |
| 21:07:56 | mutexer | also..will it install on a cf or do you have to do something special for that? |
| 21:08:02 | mutexer | my game is 10 megs |
| 21:08:30 | treke|home | thinks people need to learn how to write small games |
| 21:08:40 | kergoth | agrees |
| 21:09:06 | mutexer | well I cvould have written a snake clone I guess but I didnt want to |
| 21:11:20 | kergoth | mutexer: it may or may not install to cf/sd |
| 21:11:22 | kryhme | what wasd the other script for encoding divx movies |
| 21:11:30 | kryhme | besides mencoder |
| 21:11:40 | kergoth | mutexer: probably not, given that the sharp rom requires 10mb in flash, along with the 10mb on the media in question |
| 21:11:58 | kergoth | mutexer: it may not install to ram either, since it'll need 20mb free, which isnt likely to happen |
| 21:12:00 | kergoth | mutexer: though it may |
| 21:12:04 | kergoth | mutexer: for some people anyway |
| 21:12:15 | mutexer | so im screwed then? |
| 21:12:16 | kergoth | mutexer: depends how much they have installed |
| 21:12:23 | kergoth | mutexer: the user is given 32mb of ram to work with |
| 21:12:30 | kergoth | mutexer: if they have approx 20mb free, you're fine |
| 21:12:34 | mutexer | this has to work on the developer zaurus too |
| 21:12:55 | kergoth | you'll see problems there |
| 21:12:59 | kergoth | try it though |
| 21:13:15 | mutexer | I didnt realize this was such a pain in the ass |
| 21:13:41 | ljp | 10 meg game? |
| 21:13:49 | kergoth | mutexer: the sharp package installer is a piece of shit |
| 21:15:22 | whardier | adds a few thigns to the ltsp |
| 21:15:25 | mutexer | I want to install the source too..is there a standard place for it? |
| 21:15:38 | whardier | actually.. I just need a debian netboot |
| 21:15:46 | treke|home | mutexer: dont |
| 21:15:56 | treke|home | mutexer: its a waste of space |
| 21:16:12 | mutexer | its an easy way to distribute the source though |
| 21:16:31 | treke|home | its just as easy to put up a second tar ball |
| 21:16:44 | mutexer | IM not making the source publically available |
| 21:16:48 | ljp | eats tarballs for dinner |
| 21:17:06 | mutexer | only to people who pay for the game |
| 21:17:07 | chouimat | prefers meatballs |
| 21:17:14 | ljp | last night I had linux 2.0.56 |
| 21:17:21 | treke|home | so when you give them the game give the the second tarbal |
| 21:17:23 | ljp | kinda stale that was |
| 21:17:43 | treke|home | the source does absolutly no good on the zaurus, it simply takes space |
| 21:22:07 | kryhme | if you clear out all your documents, and just look at the opie background. it kind of looks like HAL |
| 21:22:21 | mutexer | I cant find the stuff on the directories |
| 21:22:29 | kergoth | mutexer: look again |
| 21:23:16 | rikkus | whardier: what did you mean about xvid ? |
| 21:25:37 | mutexer | sp I can do $Qtopia/pics/images instead of ./images ? |
| 21:25:40 | mutexer | so* |
| 21:25:50 | kergoth | mutexer: no |
| 21:25:58 | kergoth | mutexer: $QPEDIR/pics/[packagename] |
| 21:26:17 | kergoth | i.e. game is called blah, you put images in $QPEDIR/pics/blah/ |
| 21:26:22 | mutexer | $QPEDIR/pics/THP/images instead of ./images? |
| 21:26:44 | FuzzyTheBear | bbl |
| 21:26:45 | mutexer | are directories supported or does it all have to be in the same directory |
| 21:26:47 | AlexPGP | 'lo, all. |
| 21:26:58 | kergoth | mutexer: 'supported'? |
| 21:27:00 | kergoth | mutexer: by what? |
| 21:27:08 | mutexer | like can I have images/Level1/ and images/Level2 |
| 21:27:44 | mutexer | or do all my images have to be in $QPEDIR/pics/THP/ |
| 21:27:52 | AlexPGP | can anyone point me at a site or source that tells me what I gain in going from a Palm to a Zaurus? |
| 21:28:17 | [DrEvil] | blood, sweat and tears |
| 21:28:25 | kergoth | mutexer: ? |
| 21:28:29 | kergoth | mutexer: what do i care? |
| 21:28:35 | kergoth | mutexer: if your app can read them there, read them there |
| 21:28:35 | mutexer | ? |
| 21:28:42 | kergoth | mutexer: you could put them in /usr/blah/yousuck if you wanted |
| 21:28:44 | AlexPGP | I know the underlying OS on a Zaurus is Linux, but how apparent is that to the user? |
| 21:29:00 | [DrEvil] | out of the box, it isn't |
| 21:29:03 | kergoth | mutexer: but the general convention is to put them in $QPEDIR/pics/appname/ .. you can do whatever you like within that directory |
| 21:29:07 | AlexPGP | oh? |
| 21:29:11 | mutexer | this thing is so picky about directories is why IM asking...can it Physically parse directories or does it expect ALL images for my app to be in the base appdir |
| 21:29:27 | [DrEvil] | there is no terminal by default |
| 21:29:28 | kergoth | mutexer: can what parse them? |
| 21:29:30 | kergoth | mutexer: dood |
| 21:29:32 | kergoth | mutexer: your app reads them |
| 21:29:36 | kergoth | mutexer: nobody else gives a shit |
| 21:29:42 | mutexer | ok |
| 21:29:52 | AlexPGP | Dr. E: just got it... out of the box, it's not apparent the OS is Linux, right? |
| 21:29:54 | mutexer | nevermind...I think its doing what I need it too |
| 21:30:02 | AlexPGP | (but it does come with L out of the box) |
| 21:30:22 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 21:30:29 | AlexPGP | can I get a terminal screen to run, e.g., grep? |
| 21:30:42 | AlexPGP | on a text file |
| 21:30:47 | [DrEvil] | the terminal is on your CD |
| 21:30:51 | [DrEvil] | or one of them |
| 21:30:54 | AlexPGP | aha |
| 21:30:55 | [DrEvil] | along with a file manager |
| 21:30:56 | AlexPGP | oh> |
| 21:31:03 | AlexPGP | how many CDs does it come with? |
| 21:31:21 | [DrEvil] | the embeded terminal in the zaurus feed is better |
| 21:31:25 | [DrEvil] | 1 |
| 21:31:41 | mutexer | these docs dont say where to put txt files |
| 21:31:51 | AlexPGP | aha... one of the TERMINALS. (I'm slow, but I get there, eventaually.) |
| 21:31:54 | mutexer | just binary/images/sounds |
| 21:31:55 | Harlekin | kergoth: looked at it yet? |
| 21:32:04 | AlexPGP | When you said 'blood, sweat, and tears,' are you saying it's hard to move one's date from a P to a Z? |
| 21:32:20 | [DrEvil] | it's not that hard |
| 21:32:36 | [DrEvil] | but the synching isn't as fluid as the Palm |
| 21:32:54 | AlexPGP | how hard is it to develop an app for a Z, assuming one knows a little about programming in general? |
| 21:33:11 | [DrEvil] | not any harder than anything else afaik |
| 21:33:47 | [DrEvil] | you can register as a developer at Sharp's site and get the tools |
| 21:33:47 | AlexPGP | (Tell me about synching a Sharp product... I have one of their circa 1990 organizers - top of the line 128K - and synching it was the pits.) |
| 21:33:53 | AlexPGP | aha |
| 21:34:18 | MSpin | it's not really sharps fault that synching isn't great |
| 21:34:20 | [DrEvil] | the sync system is probably the most bitched about feature of the Z |
| 21:34:59 | AlexPGP | the thing that got me interested, actually, was reading about how someone had used the Linux version of the synch software and that had screwed up the MySQL installation on their Z. |
| 21:35:17 | AlexPGP | I really wouldn't mind running MySQL on my PDA. |
| 21:35:22 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 21:35:32 | AlexPGP | Especially if I could talk to it via a text script. |
| 21:36:11 | AlexPGP | (let me make one thing very Nixonianlly clear... I am not interested in running software that corrupts my PDA :^) |
| 21:36:15 | [DrEvil] | you can also get a db front end for it |
| 21:36:19 | AlexPGP | cool |
| 21:36:31 | [DrEvil] | tkcRekall |
| 21:36:42 | AlexPGP | Plus I hear the Z is in the 300-320 price range now. |
| 21:36:43 | [DrEvil] | it's pretty cool |
| 21:37:03 | AlexPGP | How hard is it to put the unit on a network? |
| 21:37:11 | kryhme | it's cake |
| 21:37:35 | ljp | whats a network |
| 21:37:41 | [DrEvil] | I have mine connected vi 802.11b |
| 21:38:03 | AlexPGP | so what prevents one from simply tar'ing the contents and copying the result to another machine on the net? |
| 21:38:14 | AlexPGP | what do you need to buy to do wireless? |
| 21:38:30 | [DrEvil] | a wireless CF card and an access point |
| 21:38:34 | kryhme | a wireless card and an acces point |
| 21:38:50 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 21:38:58 | AlexPGP | as in: PCMCIA wireless or proprietary-Sharp wireless. |
| 21:39:08 | kryhme | any |
| 21:39:14 | [DrEvil] | compact flash |
| 21:39:18 | AlexPGP | (access point is access point, ITE) |
| 21:39:57 | [DrEvil] | not everyone is happy with the built in PIM stuff too |
| 21:40:07 | AlexPGP | who ever is? |
| 21:40:16 | [DrEvil] | there are other options for that if you are going to use the PIM stuff |
| 21:40:19 | AlexPGP | I don't use any of the built-in PIM stuff on my Palm |
| 21:40:41 | [DrEvil] | the built in palm stuff has more functionality than the default stuff |
| 21:40:52 | AlexPGP | ooh. bummer |
| 21:41:16 | kryhme | debian = respect |
| 21:41:26 | [DrEvil] | Little Debian |
| 21:41:36 | AlexPGP | so that pretty much gives it all the functionality of software that, once launched, has fairly limited capability, as in: it can exit. |
| 21:41:55 | [DrEvil] | it all works |
| 21:42:09 | [DrEvil] | it exits |
| 21:42:17 | [DrEvil] | you can task swap |
| 21:43:17 | kryhme | think i can host a website from my zaurus |
| 21:43:19 | kryhme | ? |
| 21:43:26 | AlexPGP | Let me ask a really weird one...if one was to buy a unit at a store and then take it immediately with oneself to the airport and fly to Kazakhstan, then assuming you had a Windoze based laptop and reasonable intelligence, could you get the unit up and reasonably running (no MySQL, but certainly a phone directory and note-taking capability)? |
| 21:43:27 | [DrEvil] | you can |
| 21:43:31 | [DrEvil] | but why would you |
| 21:43:39 | kryhme | i don't know |
| 21:43:51 | nadav | kryhme: you COULD. i wouldn't have it /.'d though :P |
| 21:44:00 | AlexPGP | huh? |
| 21:44:14 | [DrEvil] | AlexPGP: prehaps |
| 21:44:16 | AlexPGP | 'wouldn't have it slashdotted, though'? |
| 21:44:23 | [DrEvil] | but you also need a power adapter for that country |
| 21:44:37 | AlexPGP | aha... no can use disposables? |
| 21:44:38 | nadav | it'd melt.. |
| 21:45:01 | [DrEvil] | it has a built in battery |
| 21:45:08 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 21:45:08 | [DrEvil] | not built in |
| 21:45:11 | AlexPGP | (I understand you can swap out the built-in, yes?) |
| 21:45:14 | [DrEvil] | but it is a rechargable pack |
| 21:45:24 | AlexPGP | aha. rechargeable and swappable |
| 21:45:27 | [DrEvil] | yup |
| 21:45:42 | [DrEvil] | unlike the ipaq which is rechargable |
| 21:45:44 | AlexPGP | how long will a charge last, hourwise? |
| 21:45:50 | [DrEvil] | and you throw out the unit when the battery dies |
| 21:45:57 | [DrEvil] | all depends on what you are doing |
| 21:46:04 | [DrEvil] | if you are doing wireless lan...not long |
| 21:46:14 | [DrEvil] | maybe an hour |
| 21:46:18 | AlexPGP | yeah, well and iPAQ is so low on my list, it's dozing in the churchyard. |
| 21:47:09 | AlexPGP | that's a little worse than a Palm acting as a terminal to a GPS unit. |
| 21:47:17 | AlexPGP | (on all the time, etc.) |
| 21:47:45 | AlexPGP | does one change locales the same way one does in Linux? |
| 21:48:04 | [DrEvil] | the sharp rom doesn't have may locales |
| 21:48:09 | [DrEvil] | afaik |
| 21:48:30 | [DrEvil] | OZ/Opie should have more |
| 21:48:37 | AlexPGP | you lost me |
| 21:49:00 | [DrEvil] | there is an alternative ROM for the Z |
| 21:49:02 | [DrEvil] | OZ |
| 21:49:05 | [DrEvil] | Open Zaurus |
| 21:49:08 | AlexPGP | aha |
| 21:49:22 | [DrEvil] | it uses an alternative interface called Opie |
| 21:49:31 | [DrEvil] | which has locales for more places |
| 21:49:43 | [DrEvil] | the OZ isn't for everyone |
| 21:49:50 | AlexPGP | aha. why? |
| 21:49:50 | [DrEvil] | as it is still in development |
| 21:49:53 | AlexPGP | aha |
| 21:50:08 | [DrEvil] | it works for most people |
| 21:50:24 | kryhme | works for me |
| 21:50:37 | AlexPGP | yeah, well.. I'm definitely out there on the fringe. I need to be able to display Cyrillic letters. |
| 21:50:49 | AlexPGP | Russian |
| 21:50:56 | kergoth | AlexPGP: iirc opie has a cyrillic translation. check in #opie |
| 21:51:04 | scanline | is away: dinnertime |
| 21:51:05 | [DrEvil] | then you better look at opie and OZ |
| 21:51:07 | kergoth | AlexPGP: carsten is the opie i18n maintainer, he handles the translations |
| 21:51:09 | AlexPGP | oh? |
| 21:51:12 | kergoth | AlexPGP: you may even be able to assist |
| 21:51:12 | AlexPGP | interesting |
| 21:51:35 | AlexPGP | ok... well, thanks everyone. I appreciate your time and the info. |
| 21:54:39 | mutexer | Can someone help me with where I should put txt files at in the $QPEDIR |
| 21:54:54 | kergoth | mutexer: what are they? data files or help files? |
| 21:55:00 | mutexer | data |
| 21:55:14 | mutexer | also have to put LICENSE and README somewhere |
| 21:55:49 | kergoth | mutexer: LICENSE and README belong in a share dir, like /usr/share or something. i dont recall if there is one in $QPEDIR |
| 21:56:08 | kergoth | mutexer: same for data, i'd say. take a look at some other apps for guidance on that. id ont think they standardized that particular path |
| 21:58:52 | mutexer | /usr/local/Appname ok? |
| 21:59:19 | kergoth | no |
| 21:59:23 | kergoth | apps should never install files to /usr/local |
| 21:59:26 | kergoth | period. |
| 21:59:32 | kergoth | not via a package management system anyway |
| 21:59:42 | kergoth | reading the LSB would be a good thing, fyi |
| 21:59:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:59:48 | kergoth | LFS specifically |
| 21:59:50 | kergoth | er |
| 21:59:50 | mutexer | I thought thats where stuff was installed |
| 21:59:56 | kergoth | mutexer: no |
| 22:00:10 | kergoth | mutexer: use /usr/share for your appdata |
| 22:00:10 | mutexer | quake3 installs in /usr/local/games |
| 22:00:13 | kergoth | mutexer: thats wher eit belongs |
| 22:00:33 | kergoth | mutexer: yeah, make install defaults to /usr/local. working within a package management systme is a whole different ball of wax, so to speak |
| 22:01:01 | ljp | LSF= linux socket filter? |
| 22:01:15 | mutexer | stupid package manager..this would be so much better if I didnt have to make a ipkg |
| 22:01:29 | kergoth | mutexer: ? |
| 22:01:39 | kergoth | mutexer: you dont use windows? |
| 22:01:44 | kergoth | mutexer: or redhat or debian or slackware? |
| 22:01:49 | mutexer | I use mandrake |
| 22:01:53 | kergoth | mutexer: because they all have package management system |
| 22:01:58 | kergoth | mutexer: including mandrake |
| 22:02:02 | mutexer | duh |
| 22:02:04 | mutexer | I know that |
| 22:02:06 | kergoth | well |
| 22:02:14 | kergoth | I despise apps installing without using my package management system |
| 22:02:17 | mutexer | Im saying for my app it would be easier without one |
| 22:02:21 | kergoth | as will most admins, and most users with some intelligence |
| 22:02:28 | mutexer | unzip the tgz and run the exe |
| 22:02:29 | kryhme | ./zmencoder.sh movie.avi 748 ... is that not right? |
| 22:02:37 | kergoth | putting all your shit in one dir is not how unix generally works |
| 22:02:40 | kergoth | deal with it |
| 22:02:45 | kergoth | sounds like mandrake has spoiled you |
| 22:02:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:02:55 | mutexer | no its just easier |
| 22:02:59 | treke|home | mutexer: and what unzip application would people be using? |
| 22:02:59 | SirPsycho-home | if something is not packaged then for some people it will never get installed |
| 22:03:04 | mutexer | stupid splitting stuff into many directories |
| 22:03:15 | treke|home | yeah its called organization |
| 22:03:21 | kergoth | mutexer: easier for you, as a person who doesnt know how to follow a filesystem structure standard, perhaps |
| 22:03:26 | kergoth | mutexer: read up on the linux standards base, please |
| 22:03:27 | mutexer | nevermind |
| 22:03:30 | kergoth | mutexer: then get back to me |
| 22:03:44 | mjn3 | mutexer: here's a thought... put the bins, the src, and a devel env on an SD card and sell THAT. |
| 22:03:55 | mutexer | forget I said anything |
| 22:04:16 | kryhme | ./zmencoder.sh movie.avi 748 ... is that not right? i calculated that bitrate but i get messages like /bin/nice mencoder: NO such file or directory ... what didn't i install |
| 22:04:34 | kergoth | kryhme: your distro probably has nice in /usr/bin, not /bin |
| 22:04:38 | kergoth | kryhme: or something along those lines |
| 22:04:47 | kergoth | kryhme: adjust the script accordingly. it should probably be trusting your PATH |
| 22:09:09 | kryhme | what is nice |
| 22:09:12 | kryhme | i don't think i have it |
| 22:10:08 | kryhme | if i type /bin/nice i get a 0 |
| 22:10:56 | kryhme | do i need to rename zmencoder.sh to mencoder? |
| 22:12:14 | kryhme | guess that doesn't matter |
| 22:12:29 | | i heard divx was a forn of MPEG4. or see transcode or see mencoder or see also "divx guide" |
| 22:12:29 | kryhme | ibot divx |
| 22:12:41 | | well, mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert my movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 22:12:41 | kryhme | ibot mencoder |
| 22:15:43 | whardier | http://freshmeat.net/projects/agsnanoweb/?topic_id=250 |
| 22:15:49 | whardier | expect to see this on the Z soon |
| 22:16:15 | whardier | so that I can modify those goddamn XML files with a much larger and prettier web based interface |
| 22:16:48 | ljp | wonders about people that install web servers on a zaurus |
| 22:17:00 | kryhme | yeah me too |
| 22:17:11 | kryhme | i can't encode a movie to save my life |
| 22:17:15 | whardier | ljp: wouldn't it be nice to pull up a fullview of your contacts and cal from any OS? |
| 22:18:21 | kryhme | what was the name ofthat other script that encoded divx movies |
| 22:18:43 | whardier | zmencoder |
| 22:18:49 | kryhme | the other one |
| 22:18:51 | kergoth | kryhme: the other one isnt as good, from what i hear, and its called transcoder |
| 22:18:55 | kergoth | or something |
| 22:18:57 | whardier | err |
| 22:19:00 | | transcode is a linux video processing tool that can be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. see http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt or talk to Onyx4 for any problems/questions. or http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/ or a faster and better alternative for transcode is see mencoder |
| 22:19:00 | kergoth | ibot transcode |
| 22:19:00 | whardier | zmencoder is a script |
| 22:19:04 | kryhme | thanks |
| 22:19:08 | kergoth | np |
| 22:19:09 | whardier | transcode is a much bigger ado |
| 22:19:17 | kryhme | i can't get the other one to work, so i'm gonna try another route |
| 22:20:01 | scanline | is back (gone 00:28:57) |
| 22:20:36 | scanline | is away: hiding from all the people that want to talk to him in #picogui |
| 22:20:46 | whardier | heh |
| 22:21:00 | whardier | scanline ! |
| 22:21:01 | whardier | hey |
| 22:21:03 | whardier | scanline |
| 22:21:05 | whardier | ping ping ping |
| 22:21:06 | whardier | scanline ! |
| 22:21:08 | whardier | hello |
| 22:21:10 | whardier | mushi mushi! |
| 22:21:11 | whardier | scanline ! |
| 22:21:44 | jmhodges | lol |
| 22:22:05 | Onyx4 | kryhme: did you read the full instructions inside zmencoder.sh ? |
| 22:22:22 | ljp | whats a scanline? |
| 22:22:29 | whardier | punches ljp |
| 22:22:46 | ljp | fine.. I _won't_ give you my van |
| 22:23:06 | Harlekin | kergoth: ping |
| 22:23:22 | kryhme | Onyx4: yeah i read them |
| 22:23:46 | Onyx4 | kryhme: so did you compile mplayer -pre8 from source? |
| 22:23:48 | whardier | ljp: it needs work right? |
| 22:23:58 | kryhme | yeah |
| 22:24:05 | kryhme | that's the only part i might have fucked up though |
| 22:24:06 | Onyx4 | and you have libmp3lame.so ? |
| 22:24:38 | kryhme | no |
| 22:24:45 | kryhme | it's not in /usr/lib |
| 22:24:54 | kryhme | i must have hosed the install |
| 22:25:09 | scanline | is back (gone 00:04:33) |
| 22:25:28 | ljp | whardier: ya.. a clutch.. and a sound system |
| 22:27:12 | whardier | how much do clutches cost? |
| 22:27:47 | TheMasterMind1 | so who was working on nullhttpd/php for the Z? |
| 22:28:06 | Onyx4 | kryhme: libmp3lame.so is a seperate download, install lame |
| 22:28:17 | kryhme | yeah |
| 22:28:18 | Onyx4 | kryhme: or lame-devel if you use rpm based distro |
| 22:28:30 | kryhme | when i install lame it seems to be fine |
| 22:28:37 | kryhme | but nothing shows up in /usr/lib |
| 22:28:50 | kergoth | kryhme: rpm -ql lame|grep libmp3lame |
| 22:28:51 | Onyx4 | maybe /usr/local/lib |
| 22:28:53 | kergoth | he |
| 22:28:55 | kergoth | Harlekin: pong |
| 22:29:24 | kryhme | yeah |
| 22:29:43 | kryhme | it's in /usr/local/lib |
| 22:29:56 | Harlekin | kergoth: -) |
| 22:30:00 | Harlekin | kergoth: found the problem? |
| 22:30:52 | kergoth | Harlekin: no, havent been working on it, have been cleaning my house.... hehe |
| 22:31:09 | kergoth | Harlekin: today is sunday, my laundry, dusting, vacuuming, etc day |
| 22:31:20 | Harlekin | ah |
| 22:31:22 | whardier | dusting? |
| 22:31:35 | ljp | spreading dust everywhere |
| 22:31:41 | kryhme | onyx, i'm not sure what to do' |
| 22:31:46 | kryhme | vrap |
| 22:31:48 | kryhme | crap |
| 22:31:51 | whardier | I have to use my sundays for goat sacrifices |
| 22:31:56 | whardier | since they won't let me do that at work |
| 22:32:11 | kergoth | whardier: you're supposed to do that in the morning before work |
| 22:33:39 | kryhme | i installed mplayer from RPM, was that wrong? |
| 22:35:04 | whardier | kergoth |
| 22:35:10 | whardier | goes crazy ans stuff |
| 22:35:12 | whardier | dude |
| 22:35:18 | whardier | continues going crazy and stuff |
| 22:35:21 | whardier | nanoweb |
| 22:35:23 | whardier | goes crazy |
| 22:35:35 | whardier | augh |
| 22:35:39 | whardier | how can I explain how cool this is |
| 22:36:01 | ljp | ummm what? |
| 22:36:14 | whardier | nanoweb will be on the Z soon |
| 22:36:19 | Onyx4 | kryhme: yes download the source and compile it |
| 22:36:20 | whardier | definatly |
| 22:36:35 | Onyx4 | kryhme: and before that, download install lame and lame-devel rpm packages |
| 22:37:01 | kryhme | i had that lame in there, but it's in /usr/local/lib is that bad |
| 22:37:32 | | mplayer is probably at http://mplayer.dev.hu/homepage/ or at http://kirk.math.twsu.edu/family/james/mplayer.html or debian feed: "deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main" |
| 22:37:32 | kryhme | ibot mplayer |
| 22:42:10 | kryhme | do i need to move that lib to /usr/lib ? |
| 22:42:15 | kryhme | onyx |
| 22:42:47 | Onyx4 | kryhme: did you find the lame-devel rpm? |
| 22:42:51 | kergoth | kryhme: not if /usr/local/lib is in your LD_LIBRARY_PATH .. if not, and its in /etc/ld.so.conf, then just run ldconfig |
| 22:43:03 | Onyx4 | if you install that rpm package, it will install libmp3lame.so |
| 22:43:25 | Onyx4 | oh wait kryhme, if you have libmp3lame.so in /usr/local/lib that should be fine |
| 22:43:25 | | Lame can take mp3s as an imput... WAHOO |
| 22:43:25 | kryhme | ibot lame |
| 22:43:32 | kryhme | lol |
| 22:43:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:43:35 | Onyx4 | as long as /usr/local/lib is listed in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 22:43:53 | kergoth | Onyx4: wonder if that rpm he installed ran ldconfig..... |
| 22:44:26 | Onyx4 | rpms don't put stuff in /usr/local/ generally |
| 22:44:34 | Onyx4 | so he must have compiled lame maybe before himself |
| 22:44:36 | ljp | hmm I could have sworn opera was open on my desktop... hmmmfpt |
| 22:47:40 | kryhme | holy shit |
| 22:47:43 | kryhme | i did it' |
| 22:47:49 | kryhme | i'm the most bad ass motherfucker |
| 22:48:09 | _mike | has anyone had any problems with data loss after a reboot of their zaurus? |
| 22:48:27 | kryhme | if you do a full reset it wipes your data |
| 22:48:39 | kryhme | unless it's on an sd card |
| 22:48:45 | _mike | don't tell me i did that by accident |
| 22:49:00 | kryhme | ? |
| 22:49:15 | Onyx4 | you'd have to open up the battery cover to do a full reset |
| 22:49:17 | kryhme | are you talking about just rebooting it, or pressing the button under the battery cover? |
| 22:50:20 | _mike | well, it hung, and i couldn't get it rebooted - so i took the battery out and back in again as a last resort |
| 22:50:32 | kryhme | ah |
| 22:50:38 | kryhme | yeah, that'll wipe your data |
| 22:51:01 | _mike | so, what would have been the best way of getting around that? |
| 22:51:03 | whardier | the pimp has hit the fan |
| 22:51:11 | ljp | yeah! futurama! |
| 22:51:23 | _mike | thankfully it's only 3 days worth of installs & configs |
| 22:51:42 | kergoth | _mike: you shouldve done a soft reset. read the manual |
| 22:51:57 | ljp | its amazing how opera can crash without even being actively used |
| 22:52:08 | kryhme | lol |
| 22:52:25 | ljp | unless I been owned |
| 22:53:35 | kryhme | i honestly didn't think i was gonna get this divx encoder to work ever |
| 22:54:17 | kryhme | the simpsons aren't on here. this sucks |
| 22:56:41 | whardier | fucker |
| 22:57:07 | kryhme | who is the fucker? |
| 22:57:38 | whardier | suure |
| 22:57:39 | whardier | pretend you don't know |
| 22:57:44 | kryhme | me? |
| 22:57:46 | whardier | snags a skiff cluster |
| 22:57:49 | ljp | better than being a fuckee |
| 22:58:07 | kryhme | why me? |
| 22:58:53 | whardier | php does not want to believe it is being cross compiled |
| 22:59:44 | whardier | ohshit |
| 22:59:47 | whardier | I like xconfigure |
| 22:59:57 | kryhme | xconfigurator |
| 23:00:02 | kryhme | xconf |
| 23:00:04 | whardier | no |
| 23:00:09 | whardier | http://devel-home.kde.org/~hausmann/xconfigure |
| 23:00:16 | mutexer | my ipkg when I try to install it says "ipkg said something went wrong. sorry" anyone have any remote idea whats wrong? |
| 23:00:47 | whardier | no |
| 23:01:27 | ljp | well.. _something_ went wrong |
| 23:01:30 | whardier | heh |
| 23:01:32 | whardier | I belive that |
| 23:01:37 | ljp | run ipkg from a term |
| 23:01:48 | kergoth | mutexer: you have twice the size of your app in free space? |
| 23:02:07 | mutexer | I get this when building the ipkg *** Warning: The following files have a UID greater than 99. |
| 23:02:07 | mutexer | You probably want to chown these to a system user: |
| 23:02:07 | mutexer | ./ipkg-build: /bin/ls: Argument list too long |
| 23:02:16 | mutexer | on the CF I do |
| 23:02:24 | mutexer | which is where Im installing it |
| 23:02:33 | kergoth | mutexer: listen to ipkg-build. |
| 23:02:44 | kryhme | my fantasy football team is in first place in my league |
| 23:02:46 | mutexer | I dont understand what the error is |
| 23:02:46 | kergoth | mutexer: you need the size of your app in free space on / anyway |
| 23:03:00 | mutexer | well great...Im screwed |
| 23:03:12 | mjn3 | bing... a light goes on |
| 23:03:14 | kergoth | mutexer: the files in the ipk need to be owned by root, not your user |
| 23:03:20 | kergoth | mutexer: chown is your friend |
| 23:03:24 | mutexer | ahh |
| 23:03:32 | mutexer | I chowned to my user |
| 23:03:44 | kergoth | what user? |
| 23:03:49 | kergoth | on the Z, there is only one user |
| 23:03:52 | kergoth | root |
| 23:03:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:03:54 | mutexer | on my linux box |
| 23:03:57 | kryhme | i wish chown was a cereal |
| 23:04:04 | mjn3 | is in awe of kergoth's patience |
| 23:04:25 | whardier | jeebidyhoobidy! |
| 23:04:35 | whardier | xcompiles php |
| 23:04:36 | kergoth | mutexer: i would recommend using a more recent version of ipkg-build, which supports -g/-u to stomp on the permissions when it creates the tar files/ar files, or chown them to root. |
| 23:04:39 | whardier | this is neat |
| 23:05:13 | kergoth | whardier: have you checked out the current oz buildroot yet? |
| 23:05:20 | whardier | I am scared too |
| 23:05:22 | whardier | you should be too |
| 23:05:25 | Speedy2 | re |
| 23:05:26 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:05:28 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 23:05:29 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth |
| 23:05:29 | Wembly | hihihi |
| 23:05:32 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 23:05:33 | whardier | it just means more stupid fucking questions you get asked |
| 23:05:42 | Speedy2 | Won't be here for too long -- making "preps" for a trip |
| 23:05:48 | Speedy2 | I made my car adaptor for my laptop last night |
| 23:05:54 | Wembly | hehe |
| 23:05:56 | whardier | Speedy2: drug dealer coming over? |
| 23:06:03 | Wembly | speedy: your so damned lucky |
| 23:06:24 | Speedy2 | Actually, I jurry rigged it so it can accept car power or AC -- I stole a switch and a DC jack from an old Hayes modem and integrated it into the power brick |
| 23:06:33 | Wembly | hahaha |
| 23:06:52 | Speedy2 | With some epoxy, filter capacitors, a zener diode and a fair bit of plastic cutting...it's finished |
| 23:06:54 | Wembly | damned expensive power supplys for laptops |
| 23:07:07 | Speedy2 | Wembly: They sure can be! |
| 23:07:08 | Wembly | zener diode? |
| 23:07:10 | Speedy2 | Yes. |
| 23:07:13 | Wembly | wtf is that? |
| 23:07:23 | Wembly | and why the hell are the laptop power supplys so damned expensive? |
| 23:07:28 | Speedy2 | A diode with Zener capabilities :) |
| 23:07:28 | ljp | diode? |
| 23:07:30 | Wembly | umm ok hehe |
| 23:07:38 | Wembly | *dosnt know what that is* |
| 23:07:40 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Umm, it's called we can rip people off because they have no other recourse |
| 23:07:47 | Wembly | true |
| 23:07:48 | Speedy2 | But frankly |
| 23:07:57 | Speedy2 | The power supplies are just switching power supplies |
| 23:08:08 | Speedy2 | Literally, $10 worth of parts |
| 23:08:15 | whardier | holy shit it worked |
| 23:08:27 | Wembly | and it costs like $50 to buy the damned things. |
| 23:08:28 | Speedy2 | Though they use fly-back -- since it's cheap because they use the same design they use in PC power supplies. |
| 23:08:32 | Wembly | where the hell is the $40 markup going? |
| 23:08:32 | Speedy2 | Wembly: At least. |
| 23:08:39 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Into profits. |
| 23:08:43 | Wembly | bah that sucks. |
| 23:08:49 | Speedy2 | Yes. |
| 23:08:52 | Speedy2 | That's why I hax0r3d mine |
| 23:08:57 | Wembly | that kinda crap makes me wanta learn EE stuffs just to screw them over :) |
| 23:09:06 | Speedy2 | Agreed. |
| 23:09:19 | mutexer | it still wont install |
| 23:09:29 | Speedy2 | mutexer: Release the mutex, maybe it might? |
| 23:09:31 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 23:09:44 | whardier | instead of a 3.1 meg web server |
| 23:09:47 | whardier | you have a 1.3 meg one |
| 23:09:53 | whardier | with full php |
| 23:10:21 | kergoth | whardier: whats this/ |
| 23:10:27 | whardier | hold on |
| 23:11:26 | mutexer | when you said it needs twice the space of the app...that compressed or uncompressed? |
| 23:11:26 | kergoth | i hate trying to type with a cat in my lap |
| 23:11:31 | kergoth | mutexer: uncompressed |
| 23:11:40 | mutexer | geez..thats 20mb |
| 23:11:56 | mutexer | well about 18mb roughly |
| 23:12:00 | kergoth | yes, i told you this. scroll up |
| 23:12:13 | mutexer | its not gonna install on a developer zaurus |
| 23:12:30 | mutexer | which the developer challenge requires |
| 23:12:39 | mutexer | bangs his head on the desk |
| 23:12:43 | treke | time to start trimming |
| 23:13:02 | tboc | mutexer: what's that big? gfx? |
| 23:13:06 | mutexer | yeah |
| 23:13:16 | mutexer | the binary is only 300k |
| 23:13:21 | whardier | kergoth has a cat? |
| 23:13:39 | treke | whardier: sadly yes |
| 23:13:39 | tboc | mutexer: oh ... how many files? |
| 23:13:52 | whardier | I have lots of cats |
| 23:14:03 | ljp | whardier _is_ a cat |
| 23:14:09 | whardier | meow |
| 23:14:31 | ljp | oh, I'd hate to see you lick your ass |
| 23:15:00 | treke | didnt need that mental image |
| 23:15:00 | mutexer | TONS |
| 23:15:02 | tboc | mutexer: and btw. what type of game? |
| 23:15:08 | mutexer | rpg |
| 23:15:10 | tboc | ic |
| 23:15:22 | mutexer | if I cut Ill be cutting out levels |
| 23:15:32 | tboc | mutexer: tile based i guess? |
| 23:15:34 | mutexer | its not long enough as is |
| 23:15:36 | mutexer | yeah |
| 23:15:57 | tboc | hmm, even all the superNES games where smaller iirc |
| 23:16:04 | mutexer | well IM using pngs |
| 23:16:08 | tboc | secret-of-whatever and that stuff =) |
| 23:16:09 | kergoth | mutexer: split into multiple ipks, or package the levels seperately |
| 23:16:13 | kergoth | mutexer: using pngs is stupid, use jpgs |
| 23:16:18 | tboc | ack |
| 23:16:23 | mutexer | jpgs didnt work |
| 23:16:27 | kergoth | mutexer: jpgs are fine |
| 23:16:33 | kergoth | mutexer: pngs are fucking huge, no compression |
| 23:16:38 | kergoth | mutexer: lossless iirc, eh? |
| 23:16:51 | mutexer | they compress on disk |
| 23:16:59 | mutexer | just not in memory |
| 23:17:13 | Speedy2 | PNGs are non-lossi compression |
| 23:17:18 | mutexer | Ive got a few thousand tiles |
| 23:17:21 | kergoth | yeah, thought so |
| 23:17:32 | Speedy2 | But decoding is more simple than JPG IIRC |
| 23:17:43 | tboc | Speedy2: should be =) |
| 23:18:03 | Speedy2 | hell...use BMP with BZ compression |
| 23:18:14 | tboc | Speedy2: bmp? |
| 23:18:15 | Speedy2 | There's a BZip/UBzip for my HP calculator that does shit fast |
| 23:18:17 | whardier | hmm |
| 23:18:18 | whardier | pimp |
| 23:18:19 | Speedy2 | BMP/PCX |
| 23:18:29 | tboc | hmm... |
| 23:18:48 | mutexer | Qtopia support gifs? |
| 23:18:49 | Speedy2 | I can store a 18KB string, it'll goto maybe 4-9K and decompress in a 1/10th of a second |
| 23:19:20 | mutexer | would a gif be best to use/ |
| 23:19:22 | mutexer | ? |
| 23:19:27 | tboc | mutexer: gif is nonfree |
| 23:19:31 | kergoth | mutexer: use jpg or a bzipped png |
| 23:19:33 | kergoth | mutexer: jpg works great |
| 23:19:35 | mutexer | hrmm |
| 23:19:42 | mutexer | how do I get it to work with jpgs |
| 23:19:44 | kergoth | mutexer: though if you're using the Resource class i think you need the extension when using .jpg |
| 23:19:50 | kergoth | mutexer: are you using Resource::? |
| 23:20:04 | mutexer | QPixmap(path) |
| 23:20:15 | mutexer | whatever that usesw |
| 23:20:37 | kergoth | mutexer: QPixmap can load .jpg |
| 23:20:52 | mutexer | hmm..seems like when I tried before it wouldnt |
| 23:20:55 | kergoth | mutexer: libqte is linked against libjpeg (static or dynamic depends on compile options) |
| 23:21:20 | mutexer | I installed qtopia via roms |
| 23:21:21 | whardier | kergoth: http://segfault.bogomip.com:8888/ <- nanoweb on the zaurus |
| 23:21:22 | mutexer | rpms |
| 23:21:50 | kergoth | mutexer: the sdk has numerous flaws, fyi |
| 23:22:15 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com:8888/php.php |
| 23:22:17 | kergoth | whardier: nice |
| 23:22:21 | kergoth | whardier: how large? |
| 23:22:26 | whardier | 1.3 megs |
| 23:22:26 | mutexer | I guess Ill try jpgs and see if they work |
| 23:22:30 | kergoth | whardier: nice |
| 23:22:32 | whardier | wth full php support |
| 23:22:41 | whardier | gonna add sqlite soon |
| 23:22:54 | kergoth | does php support sqlite? |
| 23:22:57 | whardier | yesh |
| 23:23:00 | whardier | with a patch |
| 23:23:00 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:23:07 | kergoth | add that shit to the oz buildroot |
| 23:23:09 | whardier | anyways |
| 23:23:12 | whardier | I am amazed this compiled |
| 23:23:12 | kergoth | it'll go in the feed |
| 23:23:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:23:17 | whardier | well |
| 23:23:23 | whardier | I wanted this to go into the feed for a reason |
| 23:23:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:23:32 | kergoth | which is? |
| 23:23:47 | whardier | so people would make an xml parsing suite that complies with opies stuff |
| 23:24:01 | tboc | btw. where do i find some information about creating my own inputmethod? |
| 23:24:19 | kergoth | tboc: the source to the other inputmethods? |
| 23:24:32 | tboc | kergoth: i got one but it won't compile 8) |
| 23:24:33 | whardier | kergoth: whats the best way to find the memory footprint? |
| 23:24:42 | kergoth | tboc: every opie inputmethod compiles fine here |
| 23:24:46 | kergoth | whardier: hrm, good question |
| 23:24:55 | whardier | pstree? |
| 23:25:02 | tboc | kergoth: it's not from opie, it's the qplot inputmethod |
| 23:25:08 | Wembly | omg finally |
| 23:25:17 | Wembly | palm realizes hey keyboards dont suck :) |
| 23:25:45 | treke | hehe. yes they do :) |
| 23:25:50 | kergoth | tboc: there's more than one inputmethod whose source you can read |
| 23:25:52 | nadav | lol |
| 23:25:59 | tboc | some progress on an external keyboard for the Z? |
| 23:26:27 | tboc | kergoth: yeah ... hmm, but this one was almost perfect: i'd just had to change a little bit ;) |
| 23:26:42 | kergoth | tboc: then figure out why it doesnt compile |
| 23:26:44 | kergoth | tboc: heh |
| 23:27:20 | tboc | kergoth: i tried ... but actually i'm not that good at it |
| 23:27:25 | Speedy2 | Tuungsten is retarded (the Palm w/slide out that reveals some shitty keys) |
| 23:28:20 | Wembly | darnit when does 2.4.20come out :/ |
| 23:31:55 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 23:32:01 | tboc | hmm, gn8 |
| 23:34:02 | nadav | speedy2: yeah |
| 23:36:18 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com:8888/TestSlashHeadlines.php |
| 23:36:23 | whardier | the Zaurus parsing XML |
| 23:36:28 | whardier | with php |
| 23:36:29 | whardier | heh |
| 23:36:37 | treke | ick :) |
| 23:37:01 | whardier | ick ? |
| 23:37:02 | whardier | heh |
| 23:37:33 | whardier | Spirited Away is coming to US theatres soonish |
| 23:37:44 | whardier | I have a divx of it already |
| 23:39:49 | Shayde | yawns. |
| 23:40:03 | kryhme | the one thing that i miss about the old sharp rom was the way you could open the console, and all the old stuff you typed would still be in there |
| 23:40:09 | kryhme | was that not added on purpose? |
| 23:40:14 | kergoth | kryhme: hmm? |
| 23:40:19 | Shayde | sounds like a function of how the shell is being invoked. |
| 23:40:36 | kergoth | kryhme: referring to OZ? giving some actual information would be helpful |
| 23:41:08 | kryhme | like when i open a terminal in oz, i can't scroll up and see my history from past sessions |
| 23:41:17 | kergoth | kryhme: okay, you didnt say it was oz |
| 23:41:23 | kryhme | on the sharp rom as soon as i open a terminal i can scroll up |
| 23:41:26 | kryhme | yeah |
| 23:41:29 | kergoth | yes, i understand the problem |
| 23:41:30 | kryhme | my bad |
| 23:41:33 | kergoth | sharp rom uses bash |
| 23:41:39 | kergoth | busybox ash doesnt retain history across sessions |
| 23:41:39 | kryhme | I'm an oz nigga |
| 23:41:48 | kergoth | so we need to add that support to busybox |
| 23:41:51 | kergoth | or you can install bash |
| 23:41:57 | kryhme | interesting |
| 23:42:04 | kryhme | is it hard to install bash? |
| 23:42:16 | kryhme | for me, possibly |
| 23:42:36 | kergoth | download ipk. install it. |
| 23:42:42 | kergoth | fairly straight forward |
| 23:42:56 | kryhme | which do you think is better? |
| 23:43:01 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:43:05 | whardier | kergoth shoudl I be weary of the new buildroot? |
| 23:43:08 | kergoth | bash is superior by far, but OZ will never include it by default. |
| 23:43:14 | kergoth | because its fucking huge |
| 23:43:19 | kryhme | lol |
| 23:43:20 | kergoth | whardier: nah, it works fine |
| 23:43:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:43:34 | TheMasterMind1 | who was working on nullhttpd/php ? |
| 23:43:37 | whardier | snags it |
| 23:43:42 | ljp | be afraid.. be very afraid |
| 23:43:44 | kergoth | whardier: cvs, or bk? |
| 23:43:51 | whardier | cvs |
| 23:43:54 | kergoth | whardier: cvs tree is a coulple hours behind bk, but works |
| 23:43:59 | whardier | ok |
| 23:44:01 | kergoth | whardier: cvs doesnt have opie/qt build yet |
| 23:44:13 | whardier | I was just gonna add php and nanoweb |
| 23:44:17 | TheMasterMind1 | nanoweb? |
| 23:44:18 | kergoth | okay, go for it |
| 23:44:24 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com:8888/php.php |
| 23:44:26 | TheMasterMind1 | someonw was working on nullhttpd/php-cgi |
| 23:44:28 | TheMasterMind1 | got them really small |
| 23:44:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't rememberwho |
| 23:44:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i suck with names |
| 23:44:44 | whardier | TheMasterMind1: just incase you are tuning in.. thats php running on the z.. off of a web server that is written in php |
| 23:45:04 | TheMasterMind1 | xlibs? |
| 23:45:09 | kergoth | nanoweb itself uses php? |
| 23:45:11 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:45:13 | whardier | thts the xconfigure script I was using |
| 23:45:13 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: php written webserver |
| 23:45:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:45:15 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 23:45:25 | whardier | x(cross)configure |
| 23:45:27 | ljp | thats sic |
| 23:45:28 | whardier | helps wrap ./configure |
| 23:45:29 | TheMasterMind1 | who wrote it? |
| 23:45:49 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: so basically, its just one php-cgi binary? |
| 23:45:59 | TheMasterMind1 | that does both web and probably uses php eval() or something? |
| 23:46:01 | TheMasterMind1 | or not? |
| 23:46:08 | TheMasterMind1 | how big are the binaries |
| 23:46:16 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com:8888/ |
| 23:46:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: he said the whole deal was 1.3 megs |
| 23:46:23 | whardier | theres all the info |
| 23:46:28 | whardier | the binary is 1.3 megs |
| 23:46:31 | whardier | working on trimming that down |
| 23:46:37 | ljp | sic sic sic |
| 23:46:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:46:44 | TheMasterMind1 | not bad |
| 23:46:47 | whardier | not bad at all |
| 23:46:50 | TheMasterMind1 | i'd like to see thatin the buildroot |
| 23:46:55 | TheMasterMind1 | can you use it from commandline too? |
| 23:47:05 | whardier | its php in cgi mode |
| 23:47:11 | TheMasterMind1 | did you do pnctl mode? |
| 23:47:12 | whardier | so you now have a csript interpereter |
| 23:47:14 | whardier | yes |
| 23:47:56 | TheMasterMind1 | very impressive |
| 23:48:03 | whardier | its nice |
| 23:48:04 | TheMasterMind1 | httpd/webphp/and phpcgi all in one package |
| 23:48:10 | whardier | sorta |
| 23:48:13 | whardier | two packages |
| 23:48:19 | whardier | php4-cgi |
| 23:48:21 | whardier | and nanoweb |
| 23:48:24 | ljp | yes, but can it wash my dishes? |
| 23:48:28 | whardier | yes |
| 23:48:37 | ljp | hmmm ok |
| 23:48:38 | TheMasterMind1 | nanoweb versions 1.8.0 and 1.8.1 have a serious security issue with the AllowExtSyminks conf directive, which is enabled in the distribution configuration files. |
| 23:48:38 | TheMasterMind1 | if you are running one of these versions, turn AllowExtSymlinks off in the configuration file, or download the latest 1.8.2 snapshot which fixes this bug. |
| 23:48:38 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks to myrdin for finding and reporting this. |
| 23:48:51 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: add that to the buildroot |
| 23:48:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i want it |
| 23:48:54 | TheMasterMind1 | really badly |
| 23:48:56 | whardier | uhm |
| 23:48:57 | whardier | ok |
| 23:48:58 | whardier | dude |
| 23:49:03 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:49:04 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 23:49:06 | TheMasterMind1 | use bk |
| 23:49:08 | TheMasterMind1 | cvs < bk |
| 23:49:09 | whardier | I need to get familiar with the new buildroot now |
| 23:49:14 | whardier | ok |
| 23:49:16 | TheMasterMind1 | its pretty easy |
| 23:49:19 | whardier | where is my bk access? |
| 23:49:22 | TheMasterMind1 | also, see if you can add mysql too |
| 23:49:27 | | hmmm... oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; make config; make; |
| 23:49:27 | kergoth | ibot oz bk |
| 23:49:29 | | well, oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; make config; make; |
| 23:49:29 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: oz bk |
| 23:49:31 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:49:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:49:32 | whardier | mysql is already in killefiz |
| 23:49:46 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz sucks |
| 23:49:49 | | kergoth: I forgot oz bk |
| 23:49:49 | kergoth | ibot forget oz bk |
| 23:49:52 | whardier | TheMasterMind1 hard to add it anonomously |
| 23:49:52 | TheMasterMind1 | it needs to be oz buildroot |
| 23:50:06 | TheMasterMind1 | so it can be updated and it works right with oz |
| 23:50:17 | whardier | I will use CVS for the time being |
| 23:50:18 | TheMasterMind1 | buildroot = place to store ./configure options and all |
| 23:50:22 | ljp | zsi rox |
| 23:50:23 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 23:50:23 | kergoth | ibot oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make |
| 23:50:54 | ljp | has too many files |
| 23:51:35 | whardier | kergoth do you want me using bk or cvs |
| 23:51:44 | whardier | all I have to add is two files and maybe patches |
| 23:51:54 | kergoth | whardier: doesnt matter, i'll sync them to one another anyway |
| 23:51:59 | whardier | ok |
| 23:52:01 | whardier | cvs it is |
| 23:52:24 | whardier | whats the "method" of this |
| 23:52:27 | kergoth | whardier: read CONVERSION |
| 23:52:40 | kergoth | whardier: it documents converting old style .mk's, that you understood, to the new format |
| 23:52:44 | whardier | ok |
| 23:52:47 | whardier | one problem |
| 23:52:52 | whardier | can I right now just type make openzaurus |
| 23:52:56 | kergoth | no |
| 23:52:58 | kergoth | you type make |
| 23:53:02 | kergoth | or make image to create initrd.bin |
| 23:53:10 | whardier | make comfig? |
| 23:53:15 | kergoth | or make xconfig |
| 23:53:19 | kergoth | or make menuconfig |
| 23:53:28 | kergoth | it'll run make config for you if you dont have a .config |
| 23:53:46 | whardier | Your kernel configuration changes were NOT saved. |
| 23:53:47 | whardier | heh |
| 23:53:50 | kergoth | menuconfig is busted |
| 23:53:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:53:54 | whardier | ok |
| 23:53:57 | kergoth | xconfig works |
| 23:54:00 | whardier | hates xconfig |
| 23:54:01 | whardier | oh well |
| 23:54:02 | kergoth | and config |
| 23:54:09 | kergoth | and oldconfig and allyesconfig and allnoconfig and defconfig |
| 23:54:10 | whardier | I don't have QT |
| 23:54:22 | whardier | why is it a qt xconfig? |
| 23:54:30 | treke | whardier: good man |
| 23:54:40 | kergoth | because this is the new kernel config system by roman zippel, which uses qt for its xconfig |
| 23:54:48 | whardier | is he in here? |
| 23:54:49 | kergoth | it just needs a new gtk frontend as well, to give people options |
| 23:54:50 | TheMasterMind1 | use make config |
| 23:54:51 | kergoth | i just want fucking menuconfig to work |
| 23:54:52 | TheMasterMind1 | its good enough |
| 23:55:04 | whardier | roman: if you are in here.. buy a gun and end it all for us |
| 23:55:05 | kergoth | whardier: no, he's one of the kernel guys. note the release of it on kernel traffic |
| 23:55:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:55:24 | ljp | qt's in the kernel? heh |
| 23:55:50 | whardier | Package type to install into image (ipk, deb, rpm) [rpm] (NEW) |
| 23:55:50 | whardier | ?? |
| 23:55:51 | treke | yeah, starting int 2.4.20 |
| 23:56:10 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: do ipk |
| 23:56:11 | whardier | is there a default config? |
| 23:56:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't know why he didn't fix it |
| 23:56:21 | kergoth | whardier: make defconfig |
| 23:56:27 | whardier | I do much better with oldconfig and editing .configs |
| 23:56:29 | TheMasterMind1 | that's messed up in the default too |
| 23:56:39 | kergoth | whardier: or cp def-configs/openzaurus .config |
| 23:56:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you fucking change it if you're so impatient |
| 23:56:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm busy cleaning up your opie makefile |
| 23:57:03 | kergoth | and beating ipkg into building again |
| 23:57:07 | kergoth | wtf is wrong with it |
| 23:57:14 | whardier | changes it |
| 23:59:41 | whardier | /bin/sh: /home/hardwire/src/buildroot-oz/scripts/sources.pl: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 23:59:42 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 23:59:53 | whardier | why are you sh'ing .pls ? |
