| 00:00:39 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: if you try out the jeode.ipk on oz and it works, tell me |
| 00:00:43 | TheMasterMind1 | and if it doesn't work too |
| 00:00:58 | nasa | kagemusha: how does this ipkg work? |
| 00:01:12 | kagemusha | nasa: no clue |
| 00:01:15 | kagemusha | tell me too |
| 00:01:36 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: it just creates an ipk out of the jeode binaries and config files etc |
| 00:01:37 | Yoso | So I got the communications adapter for my a300 on the weekend. |
| 00:01:50 | Yoso | It's really not that bad, for a "backpack" style adapter. |
| 00:02:05 | Yoso | My wireless cf card worked immediately after insertion. |
| 00:02:44 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 00:03:14 | whardier | http://www.realitydiluted.com/projects/nino/index.html |
| 00:03:19 | whardier | somebody had a Nino |
| 00:07:30 | ljp | Christopher Columbus did |
| 00:07:45 | nasa | hey ljp |
| 00:07:49 | ljp | oohh that was the Nina |
| 00:07:56 | ljp | hey nasa! |
| 00:08:23 | nasa | ljp: so any luck with the sd card problem? or any news? |
| 00:10:24 | kagemusha | anyone know if you can get LiON batteries in a AA form and power factor? |
| 00:12:27 | ljp | last I was waiting to see if a mount package was being made to see if it was a busybox/mount problem |
| 00:13:05 | nasa | oh ;{ |
| 00:15:41 | nasa | Guess it's time to try to Crow rom |
| 00:16:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 00:17:53 | GearheadSMP | 64mb swap, while retaining Opera and mounts SD as /home |
| 00:18:23 | TheMasterMind1 | swap?! |
| 00:18:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:18:48 | GearheadSMP | yes - all ram is used for swap |
| 00:19:01 | TheMasterMind1 | crows rom is a 5000d rom moreso, created because of 5000d's low ram |
| 00:19:14 | TheMasterMind1 | swap! what a waste of flash r/w cycles |
| 00:19:27 | TheMasterMind1 | shudder |
| 00:21:15 | nasa | bbl |
| 00:21:19 | nasa | Dbz time |
| 00:24:13 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 00:24:20 | tux_mike | NWN has taken over my life! |
| 00:24:24 | tux_mike | no time to code :) |
| 00:25:02 | GearheadSMP | you try online NWN yet? |
| 00:25:37 | whardier | beats GearheadSMP |
| 00:25:56 | whardier | USE MY AGGRESSION! |
| 00:26:00 | whardier | FEED OFF MY PAIN! |
| 00:26:07 | whardier | x0x0x0x0x0 GearheadSMP |
| 00:26:24 | whardier | feel like you are in a twisted psycho anime yet? |
| 00:27:07 | ljp | no |
| 00:27:13 | GearheadSMP | no, I'm thinking about compiling Moz 1.1 |
| 00:27:22 | whardier | you guys are funless |
| 00:28:06 | tux_mike | what, i'm hunting orc |
| 00:28:15 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:28:23 | whardier | tried out WarCraft III the other day |
| 00:28:25 | whardier | it hates me |
| 00:28:28 | whardier | I will kill it |
| 00:28:34 | tux_mike | WC3 sucks. NWN rules |
| 00:28:40 | whardier | I should try NWN soon |
| 00:28:47 | whardier | atleast as soon as I have GL accell |
| 00:28:50 | tux_mike | well, WC3 does have elves. that is a very redeeming factor |
| 00:28:58 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:29:04 | tux_mike | i have a TNT2 you can have :) |
| 00:29:07 | whardier | had a fun game of armagetron the other day |
| 00:29:10 | whardier | go into the console |
| 00:29:11 | darienm | Unreal Tournament 2003 |
| 00:29:12 | whardier | set |
| 00:29:16 | whardier | cycle_speed 1000 |
| 00:29:21 | whardier | cycle_brake -1000 |
| 00:29:35 | kergoth`zzz | geh, okay i've determined that debian's autobuilder is a bitch, and handhelds.org's autobuilder sucks, and the buildroot is not sufficient for my needs |
| 00:29:37 | kergoth`zzz | goddamnit |
| 00:29:40 | whardier | or was it cycle_speed 100 cycle_brake -1000 |
| 00:29:42 | whardier | all I know is.. its fun |
| 00:29:57 | GearheadSMP | try Gentoo's Portage |
| 00:30:03 | whardier | ? |
| 00:30:04 | roge99 | hey kergoth .. how's it hangin |
| 00:30:12 | kergoth` | GearheadSMP: hm, thats an idea. |
| 00:30:17 | whardier | checks how kergoth is hanging |
| 00:30:27 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
| 00:30:27 | whardier | kergoth: cough |
| 00:30:31 | roge99 | lol |
| 00:30:36 | tux_mike | kergoth: i havent touched the kernel :) |
| 00:30:37 | kergoth` | slits whardier's throat |
| 00:30:40 | whardier | doh! |
| 00:30:44 | tux_mike | got home, went straight for NWN |
| 00:31:08 | kergoth` | tux_mike: i got home, downloaded all the debian autobuild shit, cursed, downlaoded the handhelds.org autobuilder, and cursed again |
| 00:31:18 | tux_mike | lol |
| 00:31:29 | tux_mike | autobuilders usually suck |
| 00:31:30 | kergoth` | and the OZ bulidroot sucks too |
| 00:31:40 | kergoth` | debian's doesnt handle crosscompiling |
| 00:31:43 | kergoth` | at all |
| 00:32:22 | tux_mike | well, back to orc killing |
| 00:34:14 | kergoth` | GearheadSMP: portage similar to bsd ports? |
| 00:34:17 | mjn3 | kergoth: i found the busybox unzip problem. it is due to i386-centric prgramming in get_header_zip.c. i have a "fix" but i haven't committed it because the whole function really needs to be rewritten. |
| 00:34:29 | GearheadSMP | yes, in Python |
| 00:34:32 | kergoth` | mjn3: ahh fun |
| 00:35:35 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleeep. |
| 00:35:42 | whardier | no fun |
| 00:35:51 | tux_mike | damnit!!!! |
| 00:36:11 | tux_mike | i hate how NWN picks arrows out of your inventory >< |
| 00:36:27 | kergoth` | fuck |
| 00:36:48 | KeyserSoze | gasps at kergoth`'s vulgarity. |
| 00:37:14 | kergoth` | today has not been a good day. |
| 00:37:26 | tux_mike | what's wrong now? more buildsystem provlems? |
| 00:37:38 | whardier | kergoth` that why you slit my throat? |
| 00:37:59 | whardier | if I had tits.. you wouldn't have done that |
| 00:38:14 | KeyserSoze | ? |
| 00:38:19 | kergoth` | whardier: you dont. |
| 00:38:21 | kergoth` | heh |
| 00:38:22 | whardier | heh |
| 00:38:26 | whardier | wow |
| 00:38:28 | whardier | KeyserSoze |
| 00:38:31 | KeyserSoze | is tempted to go back to #picogui... |
| 00:38:33 | whardier | haven't seen that name in a while |
| 00:38:45 | whardier | WHO IS KeyserSoze ! |
| 00:38:56 | whardier | /wii KeyserSoze |
| 00:39:01 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:39:05 | whardier | some dude named Miles |
| 00:39:05 | whardier | hehehehe |
| 00:39:09 | whardier | fucks off now |
| 00:39:30 | | don't know. think he might be turkish. |
| 00:39:30 | KeyserSoze | ibot: KeyserSoze? |
| 00:39:34 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 00:40:56 | | Keyser Soze is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. NObody ever believed he was real. |
| 00:40:56 | KeyserSoze | ibot: KeyserSoze? |
| 00:41:13 | KeyserSoze | (/me adds the line from the movie to ibot's reply) |
| 00:42:05 | ljp | sugar make me a great googli-moogli |
| 00:42:15 | kergoth` | jesus christ |
| 00:42:19 | kergoth` | i need to kill something |
| 00:42:25 | kergoth` | wanders off to throw knives |
| 00:43:01 | ljp | kill -9 syslogd |
| 00:43:02 | KeyserSoze | suggests soldier of fortune II for knife throwing. |
| 00:43:22 | KeyserSoze | alternate fire throws the knife. it'll stick in people, and make them dead. |
| 00:44:31 | ljp | kill -9 X is usually fun |
| 00:53:27 | KeyserSoze | who'd know what PDA's have linux ports? specifically if anyone put linux on a sony clie peg-sl10? |
| 00:54:05 | whardier | linuxdevices.com/org/net? |
| 00:54:13 | chouimat|ZzZzzz | night |
| 00:54:58 | KeyserSoze | thanks. |
| 00:55:01 | whardier | moo |
| 00:55:13 | KeyserSoze | tests a theory... |
| 00:55:15 | KeyserSoze | thanks. |
| 00:55:23 | ljp | linuxdevices.greatgooglimoogli |
| 00:55:35 | whardier | ljp: seen evolution (the movie) |
| 00:55:36 | ljp | thats a new tld |
| 00:55:42 | whardier | stands by for half wit remark |
| 00:55:43 | ljp | nope |
| 00:55:47 | whardier | weird |
| 00:55:52 | whardier | feels funky now |
| 00:55:57 | whardier | anyways.. go rent that movie |
| 00:56:02 | ljp | why cause you watched a movie? |
| 00:56:05 | whardier | no |
| 00:56:15 | whardier | the reason is hidden within the greatgooglimoogli |
| 00:56:21 | ljp | hehe |
| 00:56:34 | whardier | seriously |
| 00:56:39 | whardier | you wanna hear a famous actor say that |
| 00:56:41 | whardier | go see the movie |
| 00:59:43 | kergoth` | blah 10 minutes is enough for tonight |
| 00:59:51 | kergoth` | it just doesnt relieve my anger the way the punching bag does. |
| 01:00:13 | whardier | kergoth: go slit another throat! |
| 01:00:24 | kergoth` | though I'm up to about 90% blade first, and about 60-70% sticking in the target at 2 distances. The third distance is only at about 50% |
| 01:00:43 | kergoth` | I'm not progressing fast enough. I wonder if I can find a place to train me in this. |
| 01:00:50 | kergoth` | too bad i'm fucking broke |
| 01:00:51 | KeyserSoze | in what? |
| 01:00:54 | whardier | :( |
| 01:00:56 | kergoth` | knife throwing |
| 01:01:26 | whardier | sharpened a very evil blade the other day |
| 01:03:36 | kergoth` | tis a lot harder than it looks on tv, let me tell you :) |
| 01:03:36 | KeyserSoze | for distance, or accuracy? |
| 01:03:36 | whardier | pulls up the webcam |
| 01:03:36 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: distance is easy |
| 01:03:36 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: accuracy as well, is easy |
| 01:03:36 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: getting it to stick blade first at every distance is not. |
| 01:03:36 | kergoth` | hitting the bullseye is easy. getting it to stick is not. |
| 01:03:37 | KeyserSoze | ah. use a throwing-star. |
| 01:03:37 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: too easy |
| 01:03:37 | KeyserSoze | pointy all over :) |
| 01:03:37 | Wembly | hello kergoth :) |
| 01:03:37 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: the point is the challenge |
| 01:03:37 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: besides, i always carry a knife. I dont carry throwing stars. |
| 01:03:37 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/fun_with_knoves.png |
| 01:03:37 | KeyserSoze | seems more practical to carry what you can throw, than learn to throw what you carry. |
| 01:03:37 | whardier | knoves |
| 01:03:37 | whardier | heh |
| 01:03:37 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: I'm not going for practicality, I'm going for the challenge, and stopping power |
| 01:03:37 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: besides, its fun :)( |
| 01:03:37 | kergoth` | s/)(/)/; |
| 01:03:38 | KeyserSoze | is the knife pictured the one you throw? |
| 01:03:38 | whardier | thats widdle old me! |
| 01:03:38 | whardier | I have thrown it before |
| 01:03:39 | whardier | along with Sais and katanas |
| 01:03:43 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 01:03:47 | whardier | stick with throwing blades |
| 01:03:58 | kergoth` | heh, that knife doesnt look balanced for throwing |
| 01:04:03 | kergoth` | though i'm sure you could |
| 01:04:15 | KeyserSoze | no, but it's heavy enough that it'll hurt whichever end hits them. |
| 01:04:18 | Wembly | kergoth: omg you throw knives too? |
| 01:04:21 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: the point isnt to hurt. |
| 01:04:23 | Wembly | hahah |
| 01:04:24 | KeyserSoze | rocks are good that way, too. |
| 01:04:25 | whardier | kergoth: sais arent either.. you just have to be a better judge at distance |
| 01:04:30 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: if I have a knife out, its not a game. |
| 01:04:38 | whardier | sais are fun to throw |
| 01:04:41 | whardier | really really fun |
| 01:04:43 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: if there's a knife drawn, its life. if i throw a knife, i'm not throwing it to injure them. |
| 01:04:44 | KeyserSoze | if you're throwing a knife, it's probably a game. |
| 01:04:54 | whardier | I had fun at the renfest |
| 01:05:08 | whardier | I won a root beer throwing knives |
| 01:05:17 | KeyserSoze | likes root beer. |
| 01:06:01 | KeyserSoze | do they have concealed-carry permits where you live? |
| 01:06:30 | whardier | topic "Kergoth has a knife. Running is a good option" |
| 01:06:45 | KeyserSoze | supposes he should find out kergoth`'s country of origin before asking about CC permits. |
| 01:06:49 | ljp | hehe thats in #openzaurus |
| 01:07:04 | kergoth` | pfft, at 60% accuracy at most distances, running is barely necessary |
| 01:07:07 | ljp | kergoth lives in OZ I thought |
| 01:07:11 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 01:07:26 | Wembly | kergoth: zigzag :) |
| 01:07:29 | KeyserSoze | openzaurus? or australia? |
| 01:07:50 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: i think he's playing on words. OZ, as in, the wizard of OZ.. |
| 01:07:52 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:08:35 | kergoth` | hm, i've not accomplished a damn thing this evening |
| 01:08:37 | kergoth` | goddamnit. |
| 01:08:48 | whardier | kergoth: I installed debian on a mips |
| 01:08:51 | kergoth` | fun |
| 01:08:59 | whardier | I suppose knowing you weren't helping was good incentive |
| 01:09:00 | whardier | so there |
| 01:09:03 | whardier | you did something |
| 01:09:07 | kergoth` | hah, my ass |
| 01:09:24 | whardier | do you guys have wood fired pizza out there? |
| 01:09:35 | kergoth` | the pizza places around here suck |
| 01:09:50 | Wembly | kergoth: you neether huh? |
| 01:09:50 | treke|home | kergoth`: FOR FREE? |
| 01:09:53 | whardier | come visit colorado someday kergoth |
| 01:09:57 | whardier | or atleast fort collins |
| 01:10:01 | KeyserSoze | good pizza in colorado? |
| 01:10:01 | whardier | micro brew capitol |
| 01:10:08 | kergoth` | treke|home: ? |
| 01:10:10 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:10:12 | whardier | you can't have good microbrews w/o pizza |
| 01:10:21 | KeyserSoze | wants to move away from the accursed frozen northland |
| 01:10:24 | whardier | naw we have lots of chains of shit |
| 01:10:31 | KeyserSoze | chains suck. |
| 01:10:34 | whardier | and a few nice custom restaraunts |
| 01:10:39 | kergoth` | i've got relatives in CO, will have to head out sometime regardless |
| 01:10:40 | whardier | woodies is one of the neat places |
| 01:10:41 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:10:57 | ljp | woodies |
| 01:11:03 | whardier | :) |
| 01:11:05 | whardier | woodys |
| 01:11:07 | Wembly | ugh |
| 01:11:11 | ljp | heh you said woodie |
| 01:11:12 | Wembly | you guys are too distracting :) |
| 01:11:14 | whardier | woody |
| 01:11:22 | ljp | haha |
| 01:11:26 | whardier | who chose sarge for debian testings nick? |
| 01:11:43 | whardier | WOW! |
| 01:11:49 | kergoth` | ? |
| 01:11:51 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:11:51 | whardier | 1 hour later a kernel spits out |
| 01:11:59 | whardier | feers doing a make modules |
| 01:12:19 | whardier | is compiling a kernel on a 250mhz mips |
| 01:12:27 | whardier | its painfull |
| 01:12:27 | kergoth` | okay i've determined some things. 1) i need alcohol. 2) i need a woman. 3) i need more training in weaponry and martial arts, and 4) I need more kernel programming experience. |
| 01:12:29 | kergoth` | hm |
| 01:12:31 | kergoth` | sets goals |
| 01:12:34 | KeyserSoze | I take it the A300 is to be avoided, since it uses Xscale? |
| 01:12:53 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: 200mhz xscale no les.. yes. not to mention it doesnt have CF or a keyboard |
| 01:12:53 | whardier | kergoth: settle for sex god with occasioanl spurts of genius |
| 01:12:54 | KeyserSoze | are those short-term or long-term goals, or some of each? |
| 01:12:55 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:13:11 | kergoth` | whardier: while thats fun, I dont want to settle at all :-) |
| 01:13:11 | roge99 | whardier: what ya got ? |
| 01:13:14 | KeyserSoze | because #2 could be either. |
| 01:13:21 | roge99 | whardier: for a mips |
| 01:13:22 | whardier | roge99: a Cobalt Qube2 |
| 01:13:23 | ljp | all my goals are on the Today screenie at myzaurus |
| 01:13:28 | KeyserSoze | while #1 should really only be a short term goal. |
| 01:13:30 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: some combination of the two i think |
| 01:13:44 | KeyserSoze | and #3 and #4 *have* to be long term. |
| 01:13:47 | kergoth` | 3 & 4 are both, 2 is both, and 1 is short term |
| 01:13:49 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:14:11 | whardier | my cat woships doritos bags |
| 01:14:17 | KeyserSoze | #4 can help achieve #2. |
| 01:14:20 | whardier | he will just sit there standing tall in front of one for hours on end |
| 01:14:24 | KeyserSoze | women are suckers for kernel programmers. |
| 01:14:30 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: ahaha |
| 01:14:34 | kergoth` | hey Cloudchaser |
| 01:14:35 | whardier | KeyserSoze: dude.. don't say that |
| 01:14:37 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 01:14:50 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: you missed the discussions about weapons, sex, alcohol, mipos, and kernel programming |
| 01:14:55 | kergoth` | s/mipos/mips/ |
| 01:15:11 | whardier | KeyserSoze: I got a long distance call once from a crazy woman who admired kernel hackers |
| 01:15:16 | kergoth` | whardier: haha |
| 01:15:17 | whardier | it was very creepy |
| 01:15:30 | kergoth` | whardier: such a woman does not exist, i think |
| 01:15:32 | KeyserSoze | 's girlfriend has a shirt that says "Chicks dig unix", and has a picture of a penguin. |
| 01:15:44 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: yeah, but does she know what it means? |
| 01:15:46 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: hehe |
| 01:15:51 | whardier | kergoth` she dated mandrake |
| 01:16:04 | KeyserSoze | she also has a shirt that says "Root me, baby" |
| 01:16:09 | kergoth` | whardier: ahh |
| 01:16:21 | whardier | he helped her install debian |
| 01:16:33 | whardier | I thought that was interesting |
| 01:16:37 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:16:42 | kergoth` | ponders |
| 01:17:03 | KeyserSoze | "she dated mandrake"? |
| 01:17:08 | KeyserSoze | is mandrake a person? |
| 01:17:15 | roge99 | hey kergoth did you ever fix the pcmcia-cs prob in the feed |
| 01:17:22 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: mandrake, as in, the guy behind enlightenment, i'd say |
| 01:17:25 | whardier | heh |
| 01:17:27 | whardier | yeah |
| 01:17:40 | whardier | she was one scary little girl |
| 01:17:41 | fusion94 | bah |
| 01:18:49 | fusion94 | whardier: what was her name ?? you recall ?? |
| 01:19:06 | fusion94 | and fwiw...raster in the guy behind enlightenment...not mandrake |
| 01:19:17 | kergoth` | thanks for the clarification |
| 01:19:19 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:19:21 | whardier | let me look at my logs |
| 01:19:22 | kergoth` | er |
| 01:19:27 | kergoth` | yeah, i wasnt thinking straight |
| 01:19:29 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:19:31 | kergoth` | but what else is new |
| 01:19:50 | whardier | girlvynil |
| 01:19:55 | whardier | err |
| 01:19:58 | whardier | girlbinyl |
| 01:19:59 | whardier | err |
| 01:20:01 | whardier | girlvinyl |
| 01:20:26 | whardier | http://www.girlvinyl.com/ |
| 01:20:27 | whardier | scary |
| 01:21:01 | ljp | hairy |
| 01:21:04 | KeyserSoze | goth is funny. |
| 01:21:10 | whardier | hahaha |
| 01:21:20 | fusion94 | i wonder when she was "dating" mandrake |
| 01:21:24 | whardier | like I said.. she was scary too me |
| 01:21:35 | whardier | call this woman for a good kernel hacking time |
| 01:21:40 | KeyserSoze | oops, i mean, goth is scary and/or intimidating, or something. |
| 01:22:10 | KeyserSoze | hasn't ever seen goth people since he lives in the midwest. |
| 01:22:22 | fusion94 | cause as long as i've know mandrake he's been with this one check...so that lastike 4 years now |
| 01:22:29 | fusion94 | s/check/chick |
| 01:22:58 | KeyserSoze | bad-alex, or badal-ex=battelaxe? |
| 01:23:35 | badalex | KeyserSoze: whatever you want |
| 01:23:46 | Com[Plex] | http://www.newvenue.com/archives/feature44/ lol |
| 01:24:17 | KeyserSoze | I don't want it to be "battle-axe", but when I read it, it merges into "badal+ex", which sounds in my head like "battel-axe" |
| 01:25:03 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: i picture battle-ex |
| 01:25:05 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: maybe i have issues |
| 01:25:20 | kergoth` | sounds like a game show |
| 01:25:25 | kergoth` | welcome to.. Battle The Ex-! |
| 01:25:36 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 01:25:36 | badalex | you guys are |
| 01:25:40 | badalex | are such jerks! |
| 01:25:42 | badalex | lol |
| 01:25:42 | kergoth` | yeah, more alcohol for me |
| 01:25:43 | badalex | j/k |
| 01:25:49 | KeyserSoze | tries to read it as bad-alex.... |
| 01:26:06 | KeyserSoze | it's difficult, but manageable if I concentrate. |
| 01:26:13 | kergoth` | isnt concentrating |
| 01:26:25 | badalex | lol |
| 01:26:40 | kergoth` | whats a word for the opposite of concentrating? |
| 01:26:45 | kergoth` | cause whatever that is, I am now |
| 01:26:50 | whardier | need tha pizza |
| 01:26:50 | kergoth` | ponders |
| 01:26:58 | kergoth` | fails to ponder without concentration |
| 01:27:00 | kergoth` | sighs |
| 01:27:02 | KeyserSoze | practising philophy/theology? |
| 01:27:03 | badalex | kergoth: drunk? |
| 01:27:05 | badalex | lol |
| 01:27:12 | kergoth` | badalex: surprisingly, no |
| 01:27:13 | KeyserSoze | philosophy/theology, even. |
| 01:27:15 | kergoth` | badalex: bit of adrenaline, though |
| 01:27:21 | badalex | lol |
| 01:27:23 | Cloudchaser | seems i always miss the fun stuff :) |
| 01:27:27 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: hehe |
| 01:27:43 | kergoth` | so this week |
| 01:27:47 | kergoth` | i'm getting two roommates |
| 01:27:49 | kergoth` | thats going to suck |
| 01:27:54 | Cloudchaser | 2?? |
| 01:28:01 | KeyserSoze | college dorm? |
| 01:28:05 | kergoth` | one is paying, the other is a relative down on his luck, wife divorced him and took everything, including the kids |
| 01:28:10 | kergoth` | nah, townhouse in the burbs :) |
| 01:28:37 | KeyserSoze | eek. just sharpen your knives when they are around, they'll learn quick. :) |
| 01:28:46 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: hehe. there's an idea... |
| 01:28:59 | kergoth` | "So, time to establish some ground rules. pay no attention to the shredded throwing knife target in the corner." |
| 01:29:01 | Cloudchaser | you're a nice man to help out |
| 01:29:05 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 01:29:19 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: well, its family. thats just what one does. |
| 01:29:40 | KeyserSoze | moved away from his family, when he got out of school. |
| 01:29:51 | tux_mike | returns |
| 01:29:57 | tux_mike | kergoth: what's going on? |
| 01:29:58 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 01:30:00 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: i didnt move nearly far enough away from my parents. but such is life |
| 01:30:18 | kergoth` | tux_mike: hm, adrenaline, lack of concentration, music, chat, and fixing the oz feed |
| 01:30:20 | kergoth` | tux_mike: you? |
| 01:30:34 | tux_mike | about to poke some more at kernel sources |
| 01:30:39 | kergoth` | I'm in a strange mood. |
| 01:30:52 | treke|home | WISHES HE LIVED FARTHER FROM HIS |
| 01:30:54 | treke|home | oops |
| 01:31:07 | tux_mike | i'm glad i have my system up an running again :) |
| 01:31:41 | kergoth` | tux_mike: unice |
| 01:31:46 | kergoth` | s/unice/nice/ |
| 01:32:10 | tux_mike | yah, took me a while to figure out that i had to RTFM to get the nvidia driver to work :*) |
| 01:32:20 | tux_mike | but NWN replaced most rational thoughts in my head |
| 01:32:25 | kergoth` | hate that. |
| 01:32:33 | kergoth` | anger replaced mine |
| 01:32:50 | tux_mike | at who? |
| 01:32:51 | Cloudchaser | i emailed someone at mobi reader yesterday to see if they were going to do something for linux/z |
| 01:33:09 | kergoth` | tux_mike: no one in particular, just sudden anger, likely supressed |
| 01:33:16 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: I believe the mobibook stuff works in opie-reader |
| 01:33:24 | Cloudchaser | not the secure stuff |
| 01:33:38 | tux_mike | icky |
| 01:33:42 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: ah |
| 01:33:50 | tux_mike | i'm supprised i don't feel that :) |
| 01:33:58 | treke|home | gets along decently with just plain text :) |
| 01:34:18 | Yoso | I can't stress enough how great uqtreader is for reading ebooks. |
| 01:34:19 | Cloudchaser | this is what she said: |
| 01:34:28 | Cloudchaser | Yes we are considering a port to Linux but do not have any firm plans yet. |
| 01:34:28 | Cloudchaser | We're investigating in particular which flavor of Linux is best to support, |
| 01:34:28 | Cloudchaser | as there is not only one Linux. We are also looking forward to seeing other |
| 01:34:28 | Cloudchaser | models that the Zaurus on the market. |
| 01:34:44 | kergoth` | roge99: the feed is still pretty empty atm, but the new pcmica-cs package is up there |
| 01:34:53 | Cloudchaser | i guess she meant "other than the Zaurus" |
| 01:34:54 | roge99 | :-) |
| 01:35:06 | kergoth` | roge99: as is ncurses-base and libncurses5, the replacement for 'ncurses', it'll save you about 4.5 megs in terminfo data |
| 01:35:23 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: either that and she didnt know what she was talking about ;0 |
| 01:35:30 | roge99 | cool .... ill grab em |
| 01:35:46 | tux_mike | kergoth: what header files are the normal net ioctls in? |
| 01:36:05 | Cloudchaser | probably not but i'd like to see that option for the z |
| 01:36:56 | tux_mike | damn. i really need to get that second monitor |
| 01:37:05 | kergoth` | tux_mike: hmm.. #define IFF_UP 0x1 /* interface is up */ (linux/if.h) |
| 01:37:15 | kergoth` | tux_mike: what was the flag for link again? |
| 01:38:10 | KeyserSoze | how long does a zaurus battery last when using the serial port? |
| 01:38:46 | tux_mike | son of a! i didn't install vim >< |
| 01:39:08 | kergoth` | hah |
| 01:39:20 | tux_mike | well, i should say gvim |
| 01:40:10 | tux_mike | sweet |
| 01:40:18 | tux_mike | gvim accepts dcop drag and drop |
| 01:41:36 | tux_mike | this is driving me nuts, now that i can do multimonitor, i find that i need it more |
| 01:44:29 | tux_mike | damn. disk io is much slower on one drive |
| 01:46:01 | roge99 | hey kergoth what files are supposed to be in the pcmcia-cs pkg |
| 01:46:16 | roge99 | i upgraded and cardctl is gone ... |
| 01:46:37 | | Neo|work was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 4 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: is back (gone 01:51:03) [Mon Sep 16 23:42:25 2002] |
| 01:46:37 | Cloudchaser | ibot seen Neo|work |
| 01:47:02 | roge99 | im doing a ipkg files pcmcia-cs and it looks llike its just the rc scripts |
| 01:47:13 | kergoth` | roge99: errr thats bad |
| 01:47:15 | kergoth` | roge99: hold |
| 01:47:20 | roge99 | ahhhh to late |
| 01:47:25 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:47:32 | tux_mike | kergoth: looks like if (netif_running(dev) && netif_carrier_ok(dev)) ifr->ifr_flags |= IFF_RUNNING; |
| 01:47:40 | tux_mike | in net/core/dev.c |
| 01:47:42 | kergoth` | ah |
| 01:47:52 | tux_mike | that'd be 0x40 |
| 01:47:53 | kergoth` | so we just need to check if the IFF_RUNNING flag is set |
| 01:47:55 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 01:47:58 | tux_mike | yah |
| 01:48:08 | Lbase | the zaurus has an infrared port? will it act as a remote? |
| 01:48:20 | roge99 | Lbase: no range is too short |
| 01:48:22 | kergoth` | Lbase: probably. no one has done it yet |
| 01:48:43 | Lbase | no software yet.... mmff |
| 01:48:43 | kergoth` | Lbase: from what i've heard, the current lirc packages use the ir in the wrong mode, making it not capable |
| 01:49:01 | tux_mike | kergoth: the question is, do we prevent fork and exit with an error code if IFF_RUNNING is not set, or do we fork anyway and wait? |
| 01:49:18 | tux_mike | i'd say add a new flag to fork and wait, otherwise die |
| 01:49:26 | Lbase | tanks |
| 01:49:31 | kergoth` | tux_mike: well, do we want to poll for that flag? if so, how often? is there a way to register with the kernel to notify us of the state cahnge? |
| 01:49:48 | kergoth` | tux_mike: if we could get asynchronously notified, that'd be best.. polling will use cpu cycles |
| 01:50:24 | KeyserSoze | does the docking station charge the zaurus? |
| 01:50:33 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: if you plug power into the cradle, yes |
| 01:50:39 | tux_mike | i don't know if we can be notified. i doubt it. i'd think poll at a configurable time, 30 secs default |
| 01:50:54 | tux_mike | poling shouldn't take more than a few ms at absolute most |
| 01:51:05 | kergoth` | tux_mike: hrm.. what is dhcpcd doing right now? |
| 01:51:17 | KeyserSoze | kergoth`: so if I want to be able to easily charge and synch the zaurus from home and work, I just need to buy a 2nd docking station, correct? |
| 01:51:21 | kergoth` | tux_mike: does it even care about the state of the interface, or does it just try to send off requests continuously? |
| 01:51:24 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: yep |
| 01:51:31 | tux_mike | waits for timeout on dhcp and dies |
| 01:51:38 | kergoth` | tux_mike: ah |
| 01:51:43 | tux_mike | it tries to just spew out requests |
| 01:52:00 | kergoth` | tux_mike: how often? |
| 01:52:07 | kergoth` | hm |
| 01:52:16 | kergoth` | tux_mike: just wondering how much we'll gain by this :) other than efficiency of course |
| 01:52:21 | KeyserSoze | kergoth`: becuase on this link: http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionAccessories/0,1068,29,00.html there is a "AC Adapter" and a "docking station" |
| 01:52:42 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: ah, yes, they're independent, i didnt know whether they were being sold seperately or nto. |
| 01:52:51 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: the power adapter plugs either into the Z or into the cradle |
| 01:52:59 | tux_mike | kergoth: afaik it's in the DHCP RFC. it waits for the timeout, though. |
| 01:53:37 | kergoth` | tux_mike: so our change will cause it to not die at all, but instead to wait for the interface to switch into a RUNNING state |
| 01:53:52 | tux_mike | kergoth: lots of people would love this, because you don't have to ifup the iface if it has not the link normally at boot. PDAs and Laptops will really benifit from this |
| 01:53:52 | W|GGL|T | lol...some guy's avatar at ZZ: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/uploads/av-272.gif |
| 01:54:18 | kergoth` | tux_mike: yep, it'll come up when its ready |
| 01:54:38 | tux_mike | exactly |
| 01:55:06 | kergoth` | hrm |
| 01:55:13 | kergoth` | tux_mike: how to we handle when it was running, but no longer is? |
| 01:55:24 | kergoth` | tux_mike: i.e. state change in the other direction? do we continue to monitor it regardless? |
| 01:55:27 | kergoth` | tux_mike: hm |
| 01:55:37 | roge99 | kergoth is that pcmcia pkg screwed up or did ipkg screw up |
| 01:55:40 | kergoth` | tux_mike: (i.e. if my wifi card loses its association) |
| 01:55:54 | KeyserSoze | blah: 29.99 for ac adapter, 39.99 for serial cable, 49.99 for docking station, 80.0 for CF NIC |
| 01:55:55 | tux_mike | i would send the iface a DHCP Release and have it drop the address |
| 01:56:32 | KeyserSoze | does the dock do anything you can't easily do with just a network connection? |
| 01:56:48 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: nope. its just a means of getting the Z on a usb connection as a slave |
| 01:57:59 | KeyserSoze | ah. screw a 2nd dock, then. i'll get a CF nic and a 2nd ac charger. |
| 01:58:15 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: good call |
| 01:58:35 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:58:51 | kergoth` | la de da |
| 01:58:54 | kergoth` | bored |
| 01:59:37 | KeyserSoze | throw a knife :) |
| 01:59:44 | roge99 | fix pcmcia |
| 01:59:49 | roge99 | :-) |
| 01:59:56 | KeyserSoze | throw a knife in a pcmcia slot. |
| 02:00:00 | KeyserSoze | there's a challenge. |
| 02:00:02 | roge99 | lol |
| 02:00:06 | kergoth` | roge99: waiting for kernel, then glibc, then ipkg, then pcmcia-cs to build |
| 02:00:09 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:00:15 | roge99 | ok |
| 02:00:35 | roge99 | the pkg is only 2k .... i guess its missing a few things |
| 02:00:40 | kergoth` | hah |
| 02:00:46 | kergoth` | i guess |
| 02:01:01 | roge99 | oh well.... time to reflash ... |
| 02:01:10 | roge99 | just when i got it where i wanted it |
| 02:01:21 | kergoth` | ? |
| 02:01:28 | kergoth` | no sd reader eh? |
| 02:01:32 | roge99 | no |
| 02:01:37 | kergoth` | ah |
| 02:01:39 | kergoth` | sucks |
| 02:01:44 | kergoth` | sorry bout that, the oz buildroot is so fucked |
| 02:01:45 | roge99 | i have one ... it dosent seem to work |
| 02:01:50 | roge99 | no prob |
| 02:02:00 | roge99 | i can back up my data to sd though |
| 02:02:04 | roge99 | :-) |
| 02:02:12 | roge99 | so ... i just install the packages |
| 02:02:21 | roge99 | i could use the cradle if i really wanted to |
| 02:02:27 | tux_mike | kergoth: what is the function to poll state of a device? |
| 02:02:50 | kergoth` | tux_mike: you mean an interface? good question |
| 02:02:55 | roge99 | but its just as easy to reflash... i dont think ive seem my cradle since last December |
| 02:02:59 | tux_mike | yah |
| 02:03:08 | roge99 | s/seem/seen/ |
| 02:05:04 | kergoth` | i'm in such a weird fucking mood today |
| 02:05:43 | tux_mike | hrmm |
| 02:05:56 | tux_mike | damn, i hope warmi can get me that job soon :) |
| 02:06:02 | tux_mike | i need money$ |
| 02:06:30 | kergoth` | yeh, im pretty broke too |
| 02:06:36 | kergoth` | such is life |
| 02:06:44 | kergoth` | i need a fucking degree |
| 02:06:44 | roge99 | have some kids and then tell me about it |
| 02:06:51 | kergoth` | hah, point taken |
| 02:07:12 | roge99 | $1000 this year for hockey |
| 02:07:14 | tux_mike | well, i'd like to buy a friend a video card for his birthday |
| 02:07:22 | tux_mike | and i need a secondary monitor |
| 02:07:25 | KeyserSoze | has two degrees and no kids, but also doesn't have a zaurus, so it all evens out. |
| 02:07:29 | tux_mike | and i need to replace my primary one |
| 02:07:39 | kergoth` | eh |
| 02:07:42 | kergoth` | 'need a monitor' |
| 02:07:47 | kergoth` | i need clothes |
| 02:07:50 | kergoth` | and weapons |
| 02:07:51 | tux_mike | and i need a new phone, mine broke, and a new set of tires on my clothes |
| 02:07:52 | roge99 | KeyserSoze: well ... i have no degrees and 2 kids |
| 02:07:54 | kergoth` | and more food than just ramen |
| 02:08:04 | tux_mike | a weapon would be very nice :) |
| 02:08:05 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:08:08 | roge99 | KeyserSoze: so i guess it does even out |
| 02:08:11 | KeyserSoze | roge99: i bet you can sell the kids, and buy a degree. |
| 02:08:12 | kergoth` | tux_mike: i collect weapons, when i can |
| 02:08:26 | roge99 | naaaa i'll keep the kids |
| 02:08:29 | tux_mike | handguns? |
| 02:08:43 | KeyserSoze | handguns are another way to get rid of kids... |
| 02:08:48 | KeyserSoze | but it's better to sell them. |
| 02:09:01 | fusion94 | KeyserSoze: not enough guns unfortunately |
| 02:09:54 | KeyserSoze | just noticed "a new set of tires on my clothes" |
| 02:10:42 | KeyserSoze | doesn't actually advocate selling or shooting kids, he just rambles late at night. |
| 02:10:45 | KallDrexx | heh looks like you guys are goin to get a kick ass RTS |
| 02:11:36 | burtonator | is away: going home |
| 02:13:17 | KeyserSoze | finds a used Zaurus on the web for $270, that is missing the cover and stylus, but has the dock and ac adapter. |
| 02:13:58 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 02:14:30 | W|GGL|T | hardly uses his cover |
| 02:14:40 | W|GGL|T | hell...don't even know where it is at the moment |
| 02:15:15 | KeyserSoze | sent an email asking for a pic, and if it looks okay, will probably buy it. |
| 02:16:42 | W|GGL|T | 5500? |
| 02:17:10 | KeyserSoze | yup, so it said. |
| 02:17:15 | KeyserSoze | the pic will verify |
| 02:18:23 | KeyserSoze | is there any difference in the CF nic's available? |
| 02:18:32 | KeyserSoze | looks like netgear has the cheapest. |
| 02:20:08 | mantus | anyone know how i can get the cf to be fat 16? |
| 02:20:25 | KeyserSoze | why would you want it to be? |
| 02:20:32 | roge99 | mkfs.msdos -F 16 |
| 02:20:53 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: the cf updater to update the rom from CF only supports fat16 |
| 02:21:07 | mantus | right, but what device |
| 02:21:09 | kergoth` | roge99: new pcmcia-cs in the feed, this one has card* and friends |
| 02:21:12 | kergoth` | mantus: from the Z? |
| 02:21:15 | kergoth` | mantus: /dev/hda1 on the Z |
| 02:21:23 | mantus | hda1 gives me error |
| 02:21:24 | KeyserSoze | blah! /me hates fat! |
| 02:21:27 | roge99 | :-) |
| 02:21:49 | roge99 | im trying my sd reader/writer in a vmware winxx env ... |
| 02:21:57 | kergoth` | hah |
| 02:21:59 | W|GGL|T | as sensitive as some cards are, im not even gonna try to go ext2 |
| 02:22:01 | mantus | no such device when unmounted |
| 02:22:04 | roge99 | see if it saves me a reflash |
| 02:22:41 | kergoth` | mantus: you'll have to fdisk the card then. run fdisk /dev/hda, use 'd' to delete teh partition, then 'n' to create a new one, 't' to set the partition type, and 'w' to write the partition table |
| 02:23:34 | mantus | when i type mount to see the file system will it say vfat or msdos? |
| 02:24:04 | W|GGL|T | thinks vfat should work |
| 02:24:14 | kergoth` | mantus: 'vfat' covers fat12, fat16, and fat32 |
| 02:24:25 | mantus | oic |
| 02:24:32 | kergoth` | mantus: you must specify -F 16 on the mkfs commandline to specify the type. but mount will always show vfat |
| 02:24:47 | mantus | ok ... |
| 02:24:50 | mantus | l8r |
| 02:25:07 | W|GGL|T | hehe...did he say thanks? |
| 02:25:18 | kergoth` | hm, i dont think so |
| 02:25:20 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:25:25 | kergoth` | damn ingrateful people |
| 02:25:27 | kergoth` | mutters |
| 02:25:30 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:29:07 | KeyserSoze | what are y'all using for NIC's? |
| 02:30:02 | KeyserSoze | looks like a 802.11b from netgear can be had for $80. |
| 02:30:19 | KeyserSoze | but there is only one rj45 wired nic I found, and it is $120. |
| 02:30:29 | roge99 | lol ... i just thought about it.... my sd is ext2 ... i wont be opening it on the windows box |
| 02:30:53 | kergoth` | roge99: install captain nero, it can read ext2 from windows (its a weird little file manager) |
| 02:30:59 | KeyserSoze | will be damned if he'll pay *more* for a wired NIC than a wireless one. |
| 02:31:17 | roge99 | ahh .. im just gona re-flash |
| 02:31:53 | roge99 | i dont want to spend any more time on a windows box than i absolutly have to |
| 02:32:45 | KeyserSoze | is lost. what do you need a winbox for? |
| 02:33:02 | KeyserSoze | just to try your sd reader/writer, to see if it works? |
| 02:35:33 | roge99 | KeyserSoze: i installed a slightly broken pcmcia package ... no more wireless no way to get the new package to the z |
| 02:35:58 | kergoth` | 'slightly' |
| 02:36:00 | kergoth` | lol |
| 02:36:03 | Xentac | roge99: what about usb? |
| 02:36:05 | roge99 | KeyserSoze: the sd adapter dosent seem to work under linux |
| 02:36:10 | W|GGL|T | with a discount from circuit city, i got my dlink dcf650w for like $45 |
| 02:36:49 | roge99 | Xentac too lazy to dig out the cradle ( i havent seen it since last December ) and i havent a clue as to where i put it |
| 02:36:50 | KeyserSoze | zaurus has pcmcia? or pcmcia ~ cf? |
| 02:37:04 | W|GGL|T | explore2fs can also read ext2 from windows |
| 02:37:11 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: pcmcia~cf |
| 02:37:25 | Xentac | roge99: hehehe |
| 02:37:38 | KeyserSoze | if I give my pcmcia NIC a good shove, it'll work in the zaurus, then. |
| 02:37:54 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: better be one hell of a shove :) |
| 02:38:09 | KeyserSoze | maybe fold it in half first... |
| 02:39:13 | KeyserSoze | doesn't want a 802.11 card, he wants a wired NIC. |
| 02:39:19 | W|GGL|T | aren't there adapters for that? |
| 02:39:35 | KeyserSoze | wired NICs? yes. |
| 02:39:42 | KeyserSoze | I only found one, and it is $120. |
| 02:39:53 | W|GGL|T | dayam |
| 02:40:32 | KeyserSoze | i put a cable/dsl router in my cubicle at work, and told everyone i use it as a firewall between me and my company. |
| 02:40:40 | KeyserSoze | so i have my own little network in my cube. |
| 02:40:55 | KeyserSoze | if I put wireless on my pda, they'll laugh at me. |
| 02:41:07 | KeyserSoze | gotta keep security tight, so i need a wired NIC. |
| 02:41:12 | KeyserSoze | :D |
| 02:41:48 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: just install iptables on the Z |
| 02:41:57 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: tell em your Z is its own firewall |
| 02:41:59 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: :-) |
| 02:42:12 | kergoth` | throw lids on there or something, thatd be amusing |
| 02:42:31 | KeyserSoze | hmmm. i can make the Z the firewall for my network. that way when i leave my cube, the machines can't talk to the outside world. |
| 02:42:35 | KallDrexx | kergoth what's lids? |
| 02:42:37 | akk | Where do I get new sharp rom images for the 5500? The unofficial faq points to http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download.asp but it only has 5000 images. |
| 02:42:46 | kergoth` | KallDrexx: linux intrustion detection system |
| 02:43:01 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: hehe, somehow i think the Z would be a bit of a bottleneck :) |
| 02:43:22 | KallDrexx | kergoth`: ah |
| 02:43:31 | KeyserSoze | i'd want to different connections, too. one would have to be the serial port, and that would be sloooow. |
| 02:43:40 | darienm | akk: http://www.myzaurus.com/romupdate4.asp |
| 02:43:56 | akk | darienm: Thanks! |
| 02:43:57 | KeyserSoze | s/to/two |
| 02:44:44 | kergoth` | KeyserSoze: lol, 115200kbps.. |
| 02:45:22 | KeyserSoze | 115200kbps would be okay. isn't it only 115200bps, though? |
| 02:45:25 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 02:45:31 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 02:45:38 | kergoth` | er |
| 02:45:40 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 02:45:42 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:45:44 | kergoth` | has another drink |
| 02:45:46 | KallDrexx | damn that would be fast :) |
| 02:46:01 | KeyserSoze | you'd need 422 for that, i think :) |
| 02:46:59 | kergoth` | hah, somehow i doubt rs422 would suddenly give you a boost of a factor of 1000 :) |
| 02:50:26 | KeyserSoze | http://www.neutronexpress.com/prod.cfm/60211/HAWKING/CF682T/ETHERNET_RJ45_10M_COMPACT_FLASH_NETWORK_INTERFACE_CARD |
| 02:50:33 | KeyserSoze | how would I know if that card would work? |
| 02:51:08 | W|GGL|T | call or email sharp, i guess |
| 02:51:59 | KeyserSoze | http://www.neutronexpress.com/prod.cfm/131460/HAWKING/CF686TX/ |
| 02:52:07 | KeyserSoze | that one's even better, it's 10/100 |
| 02:53:09 | burtonator | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:53:23 | burtonator | is back (gone 00:00:07) |
| 02:59:37 | KeyserSoze | well i'll be! |
| 02:59:50 | KeyserSoze | someone already asked my question, and someone else already answered it! |
| 03:00:06 | KeyserSoze | http://www.octabotix.com/sl/wwwboard/messages/126.html |
| 03:15:12 | KeyserSoze | http://www.provantage.com/PR_59253.HTM |
| 03:15:27 | KeyserSoze | ^ is a $44 10/100 CF NIC |
| 03:15:37 | roge99 | grrr.... |
| 03:15:57 | roge99 | hrm the busybox wget is busted |
| 03:16:05 | roge99 | # wget |
| 03:16:05 | roge99 | Illegal instruction |
| 03:16:15 | KeyserSoze | ? |
| 03:16:25 | KeyserSoze | because of the pcmcia problem? |
| 03:16:33 | roge99 | no i reflashed |
| 03:16:56 | roge99 | upgraded busybox from the feed ( which now has wget ) |
| 03:17:01 | Xentac | roge99: strange... I don't have that problem... |
| 03:17:16 | roge99 | did you upgrade busybox from the feed |
| 03:17:27 | KeyserSoze | use netcat! |
| 03:17:46 | roge99 | KeyserSoze: yea .. but ipks needs wget |
| 03:18:38 | Xentac | roge99: I did |
| 03:18:48 | roge99 | did you remove wget ? |
| 03:19:55 | Xentac | I did |
| 03:20:03 | roge99 | hrmm .... |
| 03:20:19 | roge99 | i just reflashed and upgraded ipkg then busybox .. |
| 03:20:35 | roge99 | maybe libs |
| 03:20:49 | Xentac | I don't know... |
| 03:21:21 | roge99 | maybe ill update the libs first |
| 03:23:27 | ivan | why do i have to pay for a battleship game? |
| 03:23:50 | mutexer | write your own and you wont :) |
| 03:23:52 | roge99 | ivan: cus you didnt write it |
| 03:23:53 | ivan | yeah |
| 03:24:14 | ivan | why doesn't myzaurus.com have any _free_ software? |
| 03:24:18 | ivan | the zaurus costs so much itself |
| 03:24:21 | mutexer | not everyone is about free (love) software |
| 03:24:44 | KeyserSoze | put picogui on it. |
| 03:24:56 | KeyserSoze | there's a free picogui blackout game |
| 03:24:58 | mutexer | ZSI has free software |
| 03:25:02 | KeyserSoze | and it's better than battleship |
| 03:25:50 | fusion94 | bah |
| 03:26:03 | fusion94 | free software sucks..the gpl sucks... |
| 03:27:57 | erikd | yay for bsd license! |
| 03:28:03 | treke|home | true dat. lets all buy tkcZaurus's |
| 03:28:08 | erikd | likes the gpl. though |
| 03:29:47 | Neo|Laptop | ivan: people making games and apps might want to make some money. the horror!!! |
| 03:30:13 | ivan | oh yay i got $1000 selling a battleship game for a pda |
| 03:30:15 | ivan | i'm rich now! |
| 03:30:19 | KeyserSoze | bah. there'll be time to make money when you're dead. |
| 03:30:33 | KeyserSoze | oh, wait. there'll be time to *sleep* when your dead. |
| 03:30:35 | KeyserSoze | nevermind. |
| 03:30:57 | erikd | ivan: i'd rather have $1000 for selling a battleship game than nothing |
| 03:31:09 | erikd | $1000 is a new video card =) |
| 03:31:17 | ivan | i'll write checkers and make a thousand! |
| 03:31:19 | ivan | i'm brilliant |
| 03:31:40 | Neo|Laptop | ivan: yeah, $1000 would be excellent |
| 03:31:50 | Neo|Laptop | and as someone pointed out, make one yourself if you dont' want to pay |
| 03:31:55 | Neo|Laptop | will cost you nothing |
| 03:31:57 | ivan | yeah, that's my point |
| 03:32:06 | Neo|Laptop | so go ahead |
| 03:32:10 | Neo|Laptop | it's just time |
| 03:33:03 | Neo|Laptop | seriously, pay for it if you like it, or make one yourself. |
| 03:33:07 | Neo|Laptop | don't whine about it |
| 03:33:14 | Neo|Laptop | besides there's lots of free software available |
| 03:36:02 | whardier | whats the defacto way to gzip a kernel? |
| 03:36:08 | roge99 | Xentac: What version of busybox do you have |
| 03:36:14 | whardier | I thought there were special things you should pass gzip |
| 03:36:55 | Xentac | roge99: geez.. make me stop reading my book... hold on... |
| 03:37:18 | Xentac | 20020911-2 |
| 03:37:36 | roge99 | 20020916-2 is broke |
| 03:37:47 | Xentac | I'll have to remember that ;o) |
| 03:37:56 | Xentac | kergoth`: you hear that? |
| 03:38:05 | roge99 | # ls |
| 03:38:05 | roge99 | Illegal instruction |
| 03:38:09 | roge99 | lol |
| 03:39:31 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:40:03 | roge99 | reflashes ... again .... |
| 03:41:08 | roge99 | kergoth PING |
| 03:47:03 | darienm | erikd is awake ! |
| 03:48:07 | erikd | yup :) |
| 03:48:13 | erikd | going to bed in 8, though |
| 03:48:59 | darienm | 8 more hours? cool! |
| 03:49:19 | erikd | noooo |
| 03:49:22 | erikd | i'd die! |
| 03:49:37 | whardier | heh |
| 03:49:47 | erikd | ordered a 5500 z today from buy.com |
| 03:49:53 | erikd | next day shipping |
| 03:49:53 | darienm | way to go |
| 03:49:59 | whardier | now your fucked |
| 03:50:01 | darienm | you'll like it |
| 03:50:02 | erikd | with a 128MB cf |
| 03:50:27 | whardier | don't mind me.. I'm a government pig.. come from the government |
| 03:50:36 | erikd | heh |
| 03:50:40 | darienm | nah, fucked is posting the URL of your entire mp3 collection in an IRC channel |
| 03:50:59 | darienm | ;) |
| 03:51:16 | erikd | geh |
| 03:51:17 | erikd | yeah |
| 03:51:23 | erikd | did that |
| 03:51:30 | kergoth` | lksjd lgskt slkdg asha scsa@#!% |
| 03:51:53 | darienm | whardier did that too. now darien has 5 or 6 gigs of new music. |
| 03:52:06 | roge99 | kergoth.... hey |
| 03:52:44 | kergoth` | so busybox is busted, what a fitting end to an already shitty day |
| 03:52:46 | kergoth` | sleep for me! |
| 03:52:52 | roge99 | lol |
| 03:52:54 | roge99 | sorry .... |
| 03:52:58 | kergoth`zzzz | it happens |
| 03:53:01 | kergoth`zzzz | night |
| 03:53:02 | roge99 | yea ... |
| 03:53:04 | roge99 | night |
| 03:56:29 | erikd | bed time for me |
| 03:56:31 | erikd | g'night |
| 03:57:00 | erikd|afk | bleh, it's weird having so many different nicks =/ |
| 03:57:23 | erikd|afk | i keep wanting to type aph|afk, but i know if i use aphistic on here nobody but darien will know it's me :) |
| 03:57:38 | erikd|afk | anyway, i'm out :) |
| 04:00:40 | jmhodges | woohoo! im back on folks |
| 04:37:59 | Xentac | is away: trying to sleep |
| 05:10:53 | whardier | heh |
| 05:36:17 | whardier | dowhaditty |
| 06:11:22 | Onyx4 | mmm lots of major change in the OZ feed today |
| 06:11:29 | Onyx4 | opie still missing :) |
| 06:14:14 | mutexer | Mr Wizard has been busy? |
| 06:21:59 | Data | ow damn |
| 06:22:13 | Data | i forgot i had a client here :) |
| 06:26:48 | Onyx4 | mmm trying to report a bug in opie I get "PROBLEMS SENDING MAIL TO: |
| 06:26:48 | Onyx4 | Mailer Error: SMTP Error: Data not accepted |
| 06:33:03 | mutexer | the maintainer packed up and moved :) |
| 06:33:53 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 06:38:57 | Onyx4 | ugh, looks like it got submitted anyway |
| 06:39:10 | Onyx4 | 3 times actually, since I retried, damn now 2 dup |
| 06:43:00 | Onyx4 | bonjour |
| 06:43:13 | Onyx4 | oops aurevoir |
| 06:43:23 | comfrey | We we |
| 06:45:45 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 06:45:53 | Data | has someone tested gpsdrive on the zaurus yet? |
| 06:46:03 | Data | there are ipaq en yopa binaries |
| 06:46:08 | Data | yopy even |
| 06:49:29 | Onyx4 | there will be a port of gpsdrive to QT |
| 06:49:55 | Onyx4 | it works on zaurus right now with X11+gtk installed |
| 06:55:31 | Data | good to know |
| 06:55:56 | Data | any idea if someone is working on a windows ce emulator? |
| 06:56:11 | Onyx4 | probably not |
| 06:56:15 | burtonator | god... the flight is going to sock... |
| 06:56:20 | Onyx4 | you mean like a wine project? |
| 06:56:23 | burtonator | er suck... 6 hours.. |
| 06:56:41 | Onyx4 | use your Z and watch some movies, play some games |
| 06:56:47 | Onyx4 | get a digipower for your battery |
| 06:57:10 | Data | yeah like wine |
| 06:57:20 | Data | it would kick ass |
| 06:57:32 | Data | image the amount of extra software we'd have |
| 06:57:40 | Data | imagine even |
| 06:58:06 | Onyx4 | well the whole wined is setup around X11, so it would have to port wine to QTe |
| 06:58:45 | Onyx4 | but the windows CE sets of instructions is probably very minimal including libraries |
| 06:58:49 | Onyx4 | so it could be possible |
| 07:02:45 | Data | maybe it's easier not to port wine |
| 07:02:51 | Data | but to do it like vmware |
| 07:02:59 | Data | use the real cpu instructions |
| 07:03:00 | Onyx4 | oh probably not enough resources then |
| 07:03:04 | Data | it's all strongarm after all |
| 07:03:13 | Onyx4 | you would need extra ram |
| 07:03:14 | Data | maybe |
| 07:03:19 | Onyx4 | like use a kernel-64 at the least |
| 07:03:51 | Data | wine would be slow i think |
| 07:04:09 | Onyx4 | well remember that wine is not emulation but just a re-write of the core APIs |
| 07:04:16 | Onyx4 | so it shouldn't be slow |
| 07:04:20 | Data | hmm true |
| 07:04:35 | Data | damn my stylus broke |
| 07:04:36 | Onyx4 | I mean I play openGL games in wine that would be impossible to do on vmware |
| 07:04:40 | fusion94 | is away: sleeping |
| 07:04:49 | Data | maybe i got them mixed up ;) |
| 07:05:36 | Onyx4 | no you're right vmware does make direct cpu calls |
| 07:06:00 | Onyx4 | but the graphics runs thru a virtual driver |
| 07:06:27 | Onyx4 | and you have to load the whole OS image in ram where as with wine, you just load in ram the application data/lib not OS to load |
| 07:34:13 | Data | back :) |
| 07:34:26 | Stegster | I have a question about syncing with the Zaurus. |
| 07:34:58 | Data | shoot |
| 07:35:08 | Stegster | I just installed the drivers for the Zaurus and then attached the Zaurus to my computer, but it keeps asking me for the drivers. i have Windows XP |
| 07:35:44 | Stegster | It fails on the NDIS driver, it gives an exclamation mark in Device Manager |
| 07:36:00 | Data | hmm |
| 07:36:05 | Data | is it a compaq? |
| 07:36:38 | Stegster | no, a Dell 8200 |
| 07:37:02 | Data | i had an issue once with a NDIS driver on a compaq |
| 07:37:12 | Stegster | first I thought it was the usb port i was using on the front of the pc, but using the back port doesn't work either |
| 07:37:45 | Data | I had to turn off sound blaster eulation in the bios |
| 07:38:02 | Stegster | i don't have an onboard soundcard |
| 07:39:17 | Stegster | i never had any problems with usb hardware |
| 07:39:36 | Data | ow |
| 07:39:39 | Data | aarhl |
| 07:39:45 | Data | having fscking routingproblems |
| 07:39:58 | Stegster | hmm, that sucks |
| 07:40:05 | Data | stupid alter.net |
| 07:40:14 | Stegster | is that an isp? |
| 07:40:28 | Data | sort off |
| 07:40:37 | Data | uu.net does routing over them |
| 07:40:43 | Data | uu.net sucks |
| 07:40:49 | Data | worldcom sucks! |
| 07:40:50 | Data | :) |
| 07:41:07 | Stegster | yeah, i know! :D |
| 07:41:54 | Stegster | i can't even delete the NDIS 5 device :s |
| 07:41:57 | Data | uu.net/wcom should really learn what peering is all about |
| 07:42:03 | Stegster | hehe |
| 07:42:13 | Data | imagne this |
| 07:42:15 | Data | imagine even |
| 07:42:20 | Data | i'm in antwerp (belgium) |
| 07:42:29 | Data | and we have another office in brussel (belgium) |
| 07:42:34 | Stegster | gezellig :p |
| 07:42:38 | Data | it's about 50km between them |
| 07:42:56 | Data | and uunet routes my traffic true washington |
| 07:43:00 | Data | trough even |
| 07:43:01 | Stegster | why is that? |
| 07:43:14 | Data | because they don't peer with the isp in brussels |
| 07:43:21 | Stegster | lol |
| 07:43:28 | Data | bunch of idiots |
| 07:43:34 | Data | so i have like 28 hops |
| 07:43:43 | Data | to make it from antwerp to brusels :/ |
| 07:43:44 | Stegster | sick |
| 07:44:07 | Data | yeah sick |
| 07:44:29 | Stegster | i have to reboot, i'll be right back |
| 07:44:34 | Data | wait |
| 07:44:39 | Data | where did you get your zaurus ? |
| 07:45:01 | Stegster | i bought it in the us, by airmail :) |
| 07:45:09 | Data | what did you pay? |
| 07:45:12 | Stegster | i got it yesterday |
| 07:45:19 | Stegster | in total about 550 euro |
| 07:45:22 | Stegster | make it 540 |
| 07:45:28 | Data | nice |
| 07:45:32 | Data | did you have to pay taxes? |
| 07:45:38 | Data | import taxes? |
| 07:45:39 | Stegster | yup, 91,52 :( |
| 07:46:00 | Data | I resell the zaurus in belgium |
| 07:46:05 | Stegster | why? |
| 07:46:07 | Data | they go for arround 700 euro |
| 07:46:18 | Data | why? :) |
| 07:46:22 | Data | to make money? :) |
| 07:46:45 | Stegster | i was lucky that I had another wire for the adapter, because of the stupid US plug |
| 07:46:52 | Data | hehe |
| 07:46:56 | Data | you can cut it off |
| 07:47:05 | Data | and attach a new one |
| 07:47:19 | Data | we have uk zaurusses |
| 07:47:20 | Stegster | hehe, yeah, or use an adapter for the plug, maybe that's easier |
| 07:47:28 | Data | they have a uk plug |
| 07:47:39 | Stegster | hey, i'll be right back.. just a quick reboot |
| 07:47:46 | Data | does your zaurus have sharp in the plastic cover? |
| 07:47:50 | Data | on |
| 07:48:02 | Stegster | nope, only Zaurus |
| 07:48:10 | Data | hmm |
| 07:53:47 | whardier | all the damn europeons are here |
| 07:53:58 | whardier | heh |
| 07:53:58 | whardier | :) |
| 07:54:19 | smee|w | hello America! ;) |
| 07:54:25 | Stegster | back |
| 07:54:33 | whardier | hi smee|w |
| 07:54:41 | whardier | america greets you |
| 07:54:45 | whardier | shuffles canons away |
| 07:55:13 | smee|w | mmm coffee |
| 07:55:14 | Data | you got a problem with europens? :) |
| 07:55:21 | smee|w | do you get that in the US? |
| 07:55:23 | whardier | uhm |
| 07:55:25 | whardier | no |
| 07:55:29 | whardier | coffee? |
| 07:55:33 | smee|w | yeah ;) |
| 07:55:38 | whardier | I suppose we have coffee like stuff |
| 07:55:40 | whardier | I don't drink it |
| 07:55:45 | smee|w | gosh |
| 07:55:53 | whardier | it stunts toenail growth |
| 07:56:10 | smee|w | cool my girlfriend's always telling me to cut mine |
| 07:56:21 | whardier | hehe |
| 07:57:53 | smee|w | whardier: you are up late/early |
| 07:58:03 | whardier | late |
| 07:58:28 | smee|w | late is the good end of insomnia |
| 07:58:47 | whardier | is not an insomniac |
| 07:58:51 | whardier | I would rather be sleeping |
| 07:58:58 | smee|w | working? |
| 07:58:59 | whardier | its just my brain is saying no no no |
| 07:59:06 | whardier | not really |
| 07:59:10 | whardier | dicking around with a mips |
| 08:01:41 | Stegster | who can help me with installing the drivers for the zaurus under windows xp pro |
| 08:01:46 | Data | Stegster: don't drop the stylus of the sharp :) |
| 08:01:57 | Stegster | why is that? hehe |
| 08:01:57 | Data | i dropped mine and it broke into 3 pieces |
| 08:02:03 | Data | and i'm trying to get a spare part |
| 08:02:04 | Stegster | lol |
| 08:02:07 | smee|w | Data: ouch |
| 08:02:09 | Data | but it's bitching |
| 08:02:28 | Data | i think i will have to drive to germany |
| 08:02:32 | Data | to get a few :/ |
| 08:02:43 | Stegster | nobody can help me installing my zaurus?? |
| 08:02:51 | Data | sorry mate |
| 08:02:53 | Data | i don't use windows |
| 08:02:59 | smee|w | Stegster: sorry - i don't use windows either |
| 08:03:18 | Stegster | hmm.. ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 08:03:22 | Fasteddie | what prob are you having? |
| 08:03:44 | Stegster | it keeps telling me it found a new device |
| 08:04:11 | Stegster | it succeeds installing the SL Series (WDM) driver but it fails on the NDIS 5 driver |
| 08:04:18 | Fasteddie | hmm i think i read that somewhere..lemme check |
| 08:04:21 | smee|w | pores over 'Killefiz.de source parse errors' |
| 08:04:24 | Stegster | k cool :) |
| 08:04:36 | smee|w | or is it 'paws', heh |
| 08:05:09 | Data | ndis5 |
| 08:05:15 | Data | that sounds like a network driver |
| 08:05:20 | Stegster | i know, it is |
| 08:05:26 | Data | hmm |
| 08:05:30 | Data | get a wavelan card ;) |
| 08:05:32 | Data | it kicks ass |
| 08:05:46 | whardier | heh |
| 08:05:50 | Stegster | what's that? |
| 08:05:59 | Stegster | wireless? |
| 08:06:03 | whardier | is kicking some wavelan at the moment |
| 08:06:05 | Data | yes |
| 08:06:25 | Data | sharp sucks |
| 08:06:28 | Data | goddamned |
| 08:06:28 | Stegster | i will buy a CF wireless lan card, so i can sniffer around on the university :p |
| 08:06:36 | Data | yeah |
| 08:06:39 | Data | kismit rocks :) |
| 08:06:43 | Stegster | i know |
| 08:06:46 | Data | it works really nice |
| 08:06:49 | Data | i use it all the time ;p |
| 08:06:52 | Stegster | hehe |
| 08:06:57 | dando | zaurus rulz |
| 08:07:05 | Data | yeah zaurus ruls |
| 08:07:08 | Data | but sharp sucks |
| 08:07:16 | whardier | heh |
| 08:07:18 | Data | the fact that they don't sell the zaurus in benelux |
| 08:07:24 | Data | really pisses me off |
| 08:08:02 | dando | drive to germany and get it |
| 08:08:19 | Fasteddie | hmm only xp thing i see so far is to disable then re-enable the ndis5 connection hmm |
| 08:08:20 | Data | they have a SL 5500G there |
| 08:08:26 | Data | with a freaking weird keyboard |
| 08:08:26 | dando | so |
| 08:08:33 | Data | i don't need umlauts! |
| 08:08:42 | dando | ok |
| 08:08:52 | Stegster | yeah i hate that keyboard |
| 08:09:12 | whardier | hats it |
| 08:09:21 | Fasteddie | u guys know where tkcjabber stores the irc channels? i cant get rid of some of them |
| 08:09:24 | Stegster | i almost bought a german zaurus :s i didn't know it was german.. i was lucky that i found out in time |
| 08:09:25 | Data | dando: can you get spare styluses over there? |
| 08:09:41 | smee|w | tips hat at keyboard |
| 08:09:44 | Stegster | Fasteddie.. I read that too |
| 08:09:50 | dando | don't know |
| 08:10:33 | Fasteddie | sorry cant find much else.. i sync to w2k |
| 08:11:02 | dando | u gys dont like the german keyboard? |
| 08:11:15 | dando | is that the only reason? |
| 08:11:40 | Stegster | ok, thanks eddie |
| 08:11:53 | Data | dando: is the os english ? |
| 08:12:22 | dando | thats a point |
| 08:12:42 | Data | it isn't ? |
| 08:12:45 | Data | omg |
| 08:12:51 | dando | german |
| 08:12:55 | Data | even worse then |
| 08:13:04 | Data | great now i'm pissed off even more |
| 08:13:11 | Data | they actually make a complete new zaurus for germany |
| 08:13:27 | Data | and do n't even care to sell the uk zaurus in belgium, the netherland and luxemburg |
| 08:13:29 | Data | for christ! |
| 08:14:17 | Data | wth is wrong with those people |
| 08:15:21 | dando | i dont realy know, i dont have the zaurus 5500. i dont remember if german or english. |
| 08:15:32 | Data | ow |
| 08:15:38 | dando | i watched it at the store |
| 08:15:41 | Data | which one do you have then ? |
| 08:15:50 | Data | what's the price? |
| 08:16:12 | dando | something about 500,- EUR |
| 08:17:37 | dando | what about ebay? |
| 08:18:52 | dando | Where u from? Belgium !? |
| 08:20:04 | dando | have to go, cu all |
| 08:25:07 | Data | yes yes belgium |
| 08:27:53 | kolla | the land of..eh.. beer and mannequin pis :) |
| 08:28:25 | Data | manneke pis :) |
| 08:28:31 | Data | and beer yeah :) |
| 08:28:34 | Data | real beer :) |
| 08:28:36 | Data | GOOD beer :) |
| 08:28:46 | smee|w | oog - dont mention beer :) |
| 08:28:52 | whardier | beer |
| 08:28:55 | smee|w | aaaah |
| 08:29:04 | whardier | _ |
| 08:29:04 | whardier | | |__ ___ ___ _ __ |
| 08:29:04 | whardier | | '_ \ / _ \/ _ \ '__| |
| 08:29:04 | whardier | | |_) | __/ __/ | |
| 08:29:04 | whardier | |_.__/ \___|\___|_| |
| 08:29:04 | whardier | |
| 08:29:04 | Data | you don't know what beer it, until you had belgan beer :) |
| 08:29:14 | smee|w | hehe - isnt it time you went to bed whardier ;) |
| 08:29:16 | Data | belgian even |
| 08:29:23 | whardier | smee|w: thinking about it |
| 08:29:38 | Data | they sell stella artois in the US :) |
| 08:29:44 | whardier | a nice refreshing jaunt to the john is exhillerating |
| 08:29:47 | kolla | sorry, I didnt know what I started :) |
| 08:30:04 | kolla | oh.. and comics |
| 08:30:19 | smee|w | evacuate you bladder and become enlivened at the same time |
| 08:30:21 | smee|w | your |
| 08:30:22 | kolla | and that's about sums it up got belgium :) |
| 08:30:28 | kolla | got -> for |
| 08:30:29 | Data | haha |
| 08:30:33 | Data | chocolate!! |
| 08:30:37 | Data | fries |
| 08:30:39 | Data | BELGIAN fries |
| 08:30:42 | Data | NOT frecnh fries |
| 08:30:43 | kolla | oh :) |
| 08:30:46 | Data | we fucking invented fries!! |
| 08:30:49 | whardier | heh |
| 08:30:52 | Data | nnot the french |
| 08:30:58 | Data | their fries suck |
| 08:31:03 | smee|w | McDonalds invented fries, everyone knows taht |
| 08:31:08 | whardier | is kinda proud that his contry has invented more than fries |
| 08:31:08 | kolla | ok then.. beer, comisc, chokolate and fries :) |
| 08:31:10 | Data | the hell they did :p |
| 08:31:15 | kolla | comics |
| 08:31:16 | smee|w | ;) |
| 08:31:39 | Data | belgian chocolate |
| 08:31:40 | Data | hmmm |
| 08:31:41 | Data | :) |
| 08:31:56 | smee|w | England invented america ;) |
| 08:32:11 | kolla | I've been to belgium like.. I dont know5, 6 or 7 times |
| 08:32:27 | Data | cool :) |
| 08:32:28 | Data | were? |
| 08:32:30 | Data | where? |
| 08:32:33 | Data | brugg? |
| 08:32:35 | Data | brugge? |
| 08:33:08 | Data | or ghent? |
| 08:33:10 | Data | or brussels? |
| 08:33:12 | Data | or antwerp ? |
| 08:33:23 | Data | that kinda covers belgium :) |
| 08:33:33 | Data | damn we're small :p |
| 08:34:14 | smee|w | there's a kind of dog that comes from belgium iirc |
| 08:34:40 | Data | could be |
| 08:34:52 | Data | belgium is nice :) |
| 08:34:59 | Data | everyone should visit it once :) |
| 08:35:12 | Data | but |
| 08:35:22 | Data | my next trip will be to the US |
| 08:35:28 | smee|w | I went to Belgo's in London last week and they have a list of all things belgian...covers a whole wall |
| 08:35:29 | Data | I really want to visit the US |
| 08:35:51 | Data | don't know it |
| 08:35:58 | Data | been to london twice |
| 08:36:09 | Data | smee|w: are you from uk ? |
| 08:36:24 | smee|w | kind of belgian seafood gastropub thing |
| 08:36:28 | smee|w | Data: yeah |
| 08:36:48 | Data | I don't like UK ;) |
| 08:36:50 | Data | sorry ;) |
| 08:37:02 | smee|w | they have a website but you get bored looking at the Flash and leave again |
| 08:37:13 | smee|w | well UK has many faults |
| 08:37:16 | kolla | Data: that's the sad part, I just passed through on the train :) |
| 08:37:23 | kolla | never set my foot in the country :) |
| 08:37:54 | Data | your loss ;) |
| 08:38:37 | Data | smee|w: their football supporters nearly broke down brussels last european champion ship :p |
| 08:38:45 | Data | not funny ! :) |
| 08:38:58 | smee|w | hm - no not funny |
| 08:39:01 | Data | english footall fans can't stand belgian beer |
| 08:39:10 | Data | so they get drunk really ast |
| 08:39:11 | Data | fast |
| 08:39:17 | Data | and make trouble |
| 08:39:19 | Data | always the same :( |
| 08:40:06 | smee|w | heh - yeah, unfortunately |
| 08:40:30 | Data | i went to canterburry how do you write it?) as well |
| 08:40:34 | Data | alot better then london :) |
| 08:40:42 | smee|w | Canterbury...I grew up there |
| 08:40:49 | Data | it's nice :) |
| 08:40:50 | smee|w | pretty city |
| 08:40:53 | Data | all those smal shops :) |
| 08:40:56 | Data | small even |
| 08:41:05 | smee|w | then I moved to big, dirty smelly london |
| 08:41:06 | Data | ow and i once went to hull as well |
| 08:41:08 | Data | with the boat |
| 08:41:36 | smee|w | Hull would perhaps not give one the best impression of England |
| 08:41:44 | Data | pretty boring |
| 08:42:04 | smee|w | London's cool when you get to know it though |
| 08:42:12 | smee|w | (imho) |
| 08:42:31 | smee|w | except for the price of a zaurus |
| 08:42:37 | Data | lol |
| 08:42:48 | Data | it's 500 pound on sharp.co.uk |
| 08:42:54 | Data | and you get a free kit |
| 08:42:55 | smee|w | struggles to get back on topic ;) |
| 08:43:00 | Data | with 64m CF, car charger |
| 08:43:09 | Data | etc. |
| 08:43:13 | Data | i want a car charger :/ |
| 08:43:20 | Data | great for mp3's |
| 08:43:32 | Data | without killing the batt |
| 08:43:34 | smee|w | that sounds not bad |
| 08:43:57 | Data | there is a redemption form |
| 08:44:01 | Data | i'm gona send it |
| 08:44:07 | Data | maybe they will ship it to belgium :) |
| 08:44:12 | Data | it's a uk sharp i have after all |
| 08:44:23 | Data | and i bought it in the periode of the promotion |
| 08:44:54 | smee|w | 'Disposable Power Cartridge' -what's that? |
| 08:44:56 | Data | and they don't mention it(s uk only :) |
| 08:45:00 | Data | yeah no idea |
| 08:45:07 | Data | i've been wondering about that |
| 08:45:11 | Data | maybe something ith AA's in ? |
| 08:45:23 | smee|w | ah...perhaps |
| 08:46:43 | smee|w | didnt know you could get a smartmedia CF adapter |
| 08:49:22 | Data | me either |
| 08:49:24 | Data | where? |
| 08:49:37 | Data | i've seen a CF to pcmcia converter yesterday |
| 08:50:22 | smee|w | hm...did I imagine it :) |
| 08:52:01 | smee|w | I have a CF to pcmcia converter ... great for transfering stuff and preparing rom to flash |
| 08:52:27 | Data | no i mean |
| 08:52:37 | Data | a converter to put pcmcia in your CF slot |
| 08:52:38 | smee|w | oh - other way arounf |
| 08:52:39 | smee|w | d |
| 08:52:53 | Data | yeah |
| 08:53:15 | Data | but i bet it eats your batteries :) |
| 08:53:29 | smee|w | expects so |
| 08:53:30 | Data | brb |
| 08:53:53 | smee|w | http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=AD-CF-SM32 |
| 08:53:55 | smee|w | there it is |
| 08:54:14 | whardier | heads off for bed |
| 08:54:18 | smee|w | night night |
| 08:54:23 | whardier | sleep tight |
| 08:54:29 | smee|w | sunlight |
| 08:54:33 | whardier | oh |
| 08:54:38 | whardier | wellthen |
| 08:54:40 | whardier | runs away |
| 09:14:53 | Data | anyone ever tried this http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=AD-CF-SM32 |
| 09:15:06 | Data | no wait |
| 09:15:07 | Data | wrong one |
| 09:15:10 | Data | this : http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=ARM-BLCF |
| 09:18:45 | Data | http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=FC640_H4&asource=SL-5000D sweet :) |
| 09:19:57 | smee|w | or http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=MICRO_1GB |
| 09:20:39 | Data | it's cheaper :) |
| 09:22:42 | Data | i want a big SD |
| 09:22:47 | Data | but it's expensive |
| 09:24:12 | Data | maybe i'll get a big MMC |
| 09:24:21 | Data | but i wonder if that will work with the zaurus |
| 09:25:02 | smee|w | yeah - big ones have some problesm maybe |
| 09:25:33 | Data | well i'm off |
| 09:25:39 | Data | have to return a broke zaurus |
| 09:25:47 | smee|w | oh dear - good luck |
| 09:26:00 | Data | thanks :p |
| 09:26:51 | Data | cya |
| 09:26:52 | Data | & |
| 10:10:11 | Data__ | is gone. Gone since Fri Sep 13 11:43:01 2002 |
| 11:55:24 | cranch | anyone home |
| 11:57:15 | cranch | I take that as a no |
| 11:57:33 | | openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 11:57:33 | cranch | ibot: openzaurus |
| 11:59:08 | numatrix | morning cranch |
| 11:59:11 | numatrix | is back (gone 15:10:59) |
| 11:59:18 | cranch | morning numatrix |
| 11:59:41 | cranch | you know if kergoth has been making the nightly initrd's yet? |
| 11:59:56 | cranch | cause the one off the download site is impossible to get up to date |
| 12:03:06 | numatrix | cranch: actually, I made a doc on exactly how to update it... |
| 12:03:09 | | update oz is Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 12:03:09 | numatrix | ibot: update oz |
| 12:03:13 | numatrix | cranch: Check out that link. |
| 12:03:25 | numatrix | It is a massive pain in the butt though. |
| 12:04:02 | Dataken | hi |
| 12:04:10 | cranch | haha |
| 12:04:59 | cranch | how soon is 2.9.6 to be out? |
| 12:06:02 | numatrix | cranch: Couldn't tell you; TheMasterMind1 is also working on a bugfix build as well. He was originally calling it 2.9.9, but I don't know how that's going to relate to kergoth's or if he's splitting, or what. |
| 12:09:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 12:09:16 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 12:10:00 | TheMasterMind1 | the versioning sucks right now |
| 12:10:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i was trying to get kergoth to release 3.0 |
| 12:10:09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 12:12:07 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: if you get rid of all the bugs that might be reasonable. :-) |
| 12:12:46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 12:12:48 | TheMasterMind1 | its getting there |
| 12:13:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't know of any pressing issues regarding my 2.9.9 initrd.bin |
| 12:13:07 | Xentac | is back (gone 07:35:09) |
| 12:13:27 | TheMasterMind1 | except the sd issue that some people are having, but they're having that with all oz releases |
| 12:15:19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 12:15:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to code |
| 12:21:41 | cranch | Mastermind: can I try your 2.9.9 initrd.bin? |
| 12:22:48 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 12:23:13 | TheMasterMind1 | tjhsst.edu/~agupta/initrd.bin-2.9.9 and tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ is the feed |
| 12:23:56 | cranch | whats the diff? |
| 12:24:45 | cranch | I'd just need the .bin right/ |
| 12:27:25 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 12:27:25 | cranch | oh nevermind..I got it :P |
| 12:27:32 | TheMasterMind1 | but don't download software from other feeds |
| 12:27:33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 12:29:09 | bipolar | heh.... I'm glad my dlink wifi card still works. |
| 12:29:17 | Dataken | 650 ? |
| 12:29:50 | bipolar | yes |
| 12:30:02 | tux_mike | damn. i need a *nix box here |
| 12:30:04 | bipolar | it went thought the wash :) |
| 12:30:10 | Dataken | bipolar: does yours lower it's speed to 1mps ? |
| 12:30:12 | cranch | gotcha Master |
| 12:30:18 | Dataken | mine stays at 11Mbps :/ |
| 12:30:21 | bipolar | Dataken: how could I tell? |
| 12:30:54 | Dataken | using wireless monitor |
| 12:31:46 | benmeyer | Massive feed update :-D |
| 12:31:55 | bipolar | Dataken: I have the little applet installed. It doesn't say much. ;) |
| 12:32:09 | bipolar | is the new OZ out? |
| 12:32:40 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: sup. do you know if jeodecreator ipks work on oz? |
| 12:33:30 | bipolar | cant wait for a new kernel with more stable jffs2 |
| 12:33:50 | TheMasterMind1 | eh/ |
| 12:33:52 | benmeyer | no clue |
| 12:33:53 | TheMasterMind1 | like 2.4.7 ? |
| 12:33:55 | Dataken | can someone give me a reason why i should run OZ? |
| 12:34:03 | benmeyer | havn't had time to properly play with oz in a while |
| 12:34:07 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: the 2.4.7 testing kernel has jffs2 code from the 2.4.19 code |
| 12:34:21 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: Can I get it somewhere? |
| 12:34:55 | TheMasterMind1 | openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ |
| 12:35:12 | Dataken | does someone know if i can change the look and feel of QT ? |
| 12:35:22 | Dataken | i had some neat trick with konqueror |
| 12:35:23 | TheMasterMind1 | appearance in settings? |
| 12:35:43 | Dataken | if you tap the menu bar with the ? and the X |
| 12:35:44 | Dataken | and hold |
| 12:35:53 | Dataken | you can change the appearance of konqueror |
| 12:36:05 | TheMasterMind1 | oh.. |
| 12:36:20 | Dataken | it says |
| 12:36:22 | Dataken | style |
| 12:36:26 | Dataken | and you can take hydro |
| 12:36:31 | Dataken | instead of default |
| 12:36:34 | Dataken | it's neat |
| 12:36:45 | Dataken | and i'd like all my programs to have that look :) |
| 12:37:00 | Dataken | or default |
| 12:37:03 | Dataken | that's nice too :) |
| 12:37:13 | Dataken | looks like WM |
| 12:37:36 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 12:37:38 | benmeyer | updated |
| 12:37:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? |
| 12:37:54 | Dataken | hmm ? |
| 12:38:13 | Stegster | Can anyone help me installing the drivers under Windows XP? It fails installing the NDIS5 drivers. |
| 12:38:16 | benmeyer | and shitloads of links on killefiz have been updated/fixed so my ripper/feed generator can actually work |
| 12:38:31 | bipolar | can I flash a kernel with dd? |
| 12:38:46 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: not sure.. you could try |
| 12:38:50 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt it |
| 12:39:03 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: heh |
| 12:39:21 | Dataken | can i use http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 12:39:27 | Dataken | in the ipkg manager? |
| 12:39:29 | bipolar | benmeyer: Glad someone is working on that. :) |
| 12:39:50 | TheMasterMind1 | the next oz release will have atleast 4 more megs free in / |
| 12:39:52 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 12:39:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hey mjn3 |
| 12:40:07 | mjn3 | morning |
| 12:40:20 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: are youi using the new kernel? |
| 12:40:29 | kolla | new kernel? |
| 12:40:30 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 12:40:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm still using 2.4.6 |
| 12:40:41 | kolla | there's a new kernel? |
| 12:40:44 | Stegster | no one can help me with the NDIS5 driver under XP?? |
| 12:41:01 | TheMasterMind1 | Stegster: try rebooting? |
| 12:41:03 | Dataken | could someone port mtr to the Z :/ |
| 12:41:09 | Dataken | i really like mtr |
| 12:41:10 | bipolar | kolla: a testing kernel |
| 12:41:13 | benmeyer | Where is DHCP information stored? /proc/state? |
| 12:41:14 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 12:41:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Dataken: what's mtr? |
| 12:41:23 | Stegster | I tried rebooting, didn't help |
| 12:41:35 | Dataken | that advanced tracerouting tool |
| 12:41:39 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 12:41:40 | Dataken | that pings every hop |
| 12:42:11 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting |
| 12:42:14 | TheMasterMind1 | port it |
| 12:42:47 | Stegster | It keeps telling me that it found new hardware over and over again.. it tells me it found SL Series.. then after 3 or 4 times it asks for the NDIS driver.. I install it and it says it found new hardware again and again..etc. |
| 12:43:28 | bipolar | thats why they call is WinDOH's! sorry.... I couldn't resist.... :) |
| 12:44:02 | Stegster | hehe |
| 12:44:21 | TheMasterMind1 | bleh |
| 12:44:26 | TheMasterMind1 | someone write me some c :D |
| 12:45:05 | Dataken | TheMasterMind1: i can't programme :) |
| 12:45:15 | bipolar | has not written C in a year or so.... |
| 12:45:31 | benmeyer | You should always play around with C just to be sharp |
| 12:45:33 | benmeyer | hahahahahahahah |
| 12:45:37 | Stegster | Now I have a Zaurus and I can't connect to my pc .. :'( |
| 12:45:37 | Dataken | ;p |
| 12:45:38 | benmeyer | sorry too easy |
| 12:45:40 | prpplague | bipolar: shhh, don't telll any one |
| 12:45:57 | TheMasterMind1 | does some coding |
| 12:46:05 | TheMasterMind1 | hopefully this will work |
| 12:46:24 | kolla | wants his bluetooth card to work |
| 12:46:59 | kolla | but theres no use among the segfaults and lacking pppd :) |
| 12:49:06 | benmeyer | where would <ConfigDir>/dhcpcd-<interface>.info be? |
| 12:49:26 | TheMasterMind1 | find / | grep dhcpcd |
| 12:49:31 | Xentac | benmeyer: try /var/run... |
| 12:49:40 | TheMasterMind1 | /var/lib actually |
| 12:50:16 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 12:51:07 | numatrix | Dataken: you still around? |
| 12:51:44 | benmeyer | Xentac: hmm not in lib |
| 12:52:42 | kolla | why are the updates at "mysharp" only "US only"? |
| 12:52:55 | Xentac | it /is/ in /var/run |
| 12:52:58 | Xentac | just checked |
| 12:52:58 | kolla | that is why are they "US only" |
| 12:53:25 | Xentac | (this is on the Z, I assume) |
| 12:53:29 | numatrix | anybody know which libncurses is installed in sharp rom? |
| 12:53:42 | benmeyer | how odd |
| 12:53:47 | benmeyer | it isn't in my /var/run |
| 12:54:17 | benmeyer | stupid red hat |
| 12:54:26 | Xentac | you're talking about on your desktop? |
| 12:54:33 | bipolar | great.... i'm missing ide-cs |
| 12:54:39 | Xentac | I'm not sure... probably /var/lib then |
| 12:54:44 | Xentac | like /var/lib/dhcpcd or somethin |
| 12:54:56 | Xentac | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:54:58 | benmeyer | nope not in var at all grep tells me |
| 12:55:00 | TheMasterMind1 | this is going to be a bitch to write in C |
| 12:55:01 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 12:55:01 | benmeyer | damm |
| 12:55:09 | benmeyer | __needs__ debian |
| 12:55:11 | Xentac | benmeyer: are you sure it's running right now? |
| 12:55:13 | imm | hi |
| 12:55:21 | benmeyer | yup :-D |
| 12:55:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i prefer udhcpc |
| 12:55:36 | TheMasterMind1 | its so much better |
| 12:55:52 | numatrix | Dang it, Dataken asks for a program, I compile it for him, then he leaves. What gratitude... |
| 12:56:10 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 12:56:14 | kolla | numatrix: 5.0 I _think_ |
| 12:56:22 | kolla | oz has 5.2 iirc |
| 12:56:37 | kolla | andofcourse they arent mutually compatible |
| 12:56:43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 12:56:43 | kolla | cause tha'ts the *ix way |
| 12:56:44 | numatrix | kolla: yeah. I'm curious whether it has sym links for 4. |
| 12:56:46 | TheMasterMind1 | its a bitcj |
| 12:56:50 | numatrix | kolla: You running sharp rom now? |
| 12:56:57 | Dataken | i'm here |
| 12:57:08 | numatrix | Dataken: I compiled mtr for you. |
| 12:57:10 | kolla | no, currently my z isnt running at all, since it's short on power and I have my power card back home :) |
| 12:57:13 | Dataken | coolest |
| 12:57:17 | numatrix | Dataken: you running open zaurus or sharp rom? |
| 12:57:17 | kolla | but it has OZ installed |
| 12:57:25 | Dataken | sharp rom |
| 12:57:25 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 12:57:43 | Dataken | that's not so good is it ;) |
| 12:57:48 | numatrix | Dataken: ok, try this for me; we'll test it first, then I'll make it into a 'real' ipk. Do you have your zaurus on a network? |
| 12:57:56 | kolla | imagine the *ix crowd inventing something as smart and practical as "forward compatibility" :) |
| 12:57:57 | Dataken | yes |
| 12:57:58 | numatrix | Dataken: naw, not a problem. May actually work better. |
| 12:57:58 | benmeyer | http://www.theonion.com/onion3627/stoner_architect.html |
| 12:58:00 | benmeyer | hahaha |
| 12:58:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate file i/o and string handling in C |
| 12:58:04 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 12:58:16 | Dataken | it on the wavelan |
| 12:58:19 | Dataken | it's even |
| 12:58:42 | Dataken | benmeyer: when i put http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ in the package manager i don't get anything ;) |
| 12:58:44 | cranchy | MasterMind: have you had any luck with tkc Apps on that initrd you had |
| 12:58:45 | TheMasterMind1 | compiles php cgi binary for the Z |
| 12:58:47 | numatrix | Dataken: excellent; I'll DCC you the binary; just send it to your Z and run it in the terminal. |
| 12:58:57 | Dataken | euh |
| 12:58:59 | Dataken | can you mail it? |
| 12:59:00 | TheMasterMind1 | cranchy: i don't use tkc apps |
| 12:59:04 | cranchy | damnit :) |
| 12:59:04 | Dataken | it's easier to put in CF then |
| 12:59:05 | darienm|away | Dataken add "Packages" to that address |
| 12:59:09 | cranchy | cause I'm having problems putting them on |
| 12:59:10 | cranchy | haha |
| 12:59:17 | benmeyer | Dataken: Did you ****Highlight*** the new feed? |
| 12:59:25 | numatrix | Dataken: what email address? |
| 12:59:32 | TheMasterMind1 | sneezes |
| 12:59:33 | TheMasterMind1 | damit |
| 12:59:40 | Dataken | benmeyer: oeps :) |
| 12:59:46 | Dataken | numatrix: data@pandora.be |
| 12:59:51 | numatrix | Dataken: don't worry, common mistake; and a pain in the butt. |
| 13:00:00 | Dataken | benmeyer: works now ;) |
| 13:00:06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:00:13 | cranchy | has buildroot been fixed yet? |
| 13:00:18 | mjn3 | numatrix: i tracked down the busybox unzip problem yesterday. it should get fixed today |
| 13:01:05 | benmeyer | Dataken: yah that is a stupid ui design decition that never should have happened |
| 13:01:19 | Dataken | idd ;) |
| 13:01:37 | TheMasterMind1 | someone point me to a function that lets me read directory listings in C |
| 13:01:46 | cranchy | damnit....no CF writers here at work..should have brought my laptop |
| 13:02:10 | scanline | is away: Spam, spam, spam, scrambled eggs, and spam |
| 13:03:14 | Dataken | numatrix: gona test in a sec. |
| 13:03:19 | Dataken | numatrix: taking a backup first ;) |
| 13:03:26 | Dataken | learned a lesson a while ago ;p |
| 13:03:33 | Dataken | always take a backup :p |
| 13:04:07 | numatrix | Dataken: sure; it won't screw up ~that~ bad though, I can guarantee you that... it works in OZ after I symlinked the libraries. |
| 13:04:28 | benmeyer | http://www.theonion.com/onion3545/ancient_race.html |
| 13:04:35 | benmeyer | ok I really need to get back to real work |
| 13:04:36 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 13:04:38 | benmeyer | but so funny |
| 13:04:47 | Dataken | ok it's on CF |
| 13:05:18 | cranchy | MasterMind: whats the dif between your initrd.bin and the one from the OZ site? |
| 13:05:31 | Dataken | why does it have .dat extension ? |
| 13:05:36 | TheMasterMind1 | which one on the oz site? |
| 13:05:39 | numatrix | Dataken: it didn't when I sent it to you. |
| 13:05:47 | cranchy | well the 2.9.5 initrd.bin |
| 13:05:47 | TheMasterMind1 | compared to 2.9.5.5 or 2.9.6 ? |
| 13:05:49 | Dataken | i noticed |
| 13:05:52 | TheMasterMind1 | shitloads of stuff |
| 13:05:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 13:05:55 | cranchy | :) |
| 13:05:55 | Dataken | very weird |
| 13:05:57 | numatrix | Dataken: pop the cf in, open up a terminal and: run /mnt/cf/mtr and see what happens. |
| 13:06:00 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.9.5 is VERY VERY OLD |
| 13:06:01 | benmeyer | "In any case, there is strong evidence that the Power of Greyskull played a significant role in the defeat of the skeleton people." |
| 13:06:04 | cranchy | is there a 2.9.6 out? |
| 13:06:05 | Dataken | i know i know ;) |
| 13:06:05 | benmeyer | haha |
| 13:06:08 | cranchy | I didn't see that anywhere |
| 13:06:20 | TheMasterMind1 | mine has a new opie, new qte (2.3.4) and lots of bugfixes and updates |
| 13:06:32 | Dataken | well it works |
| 13:06:34 | cranchy | I see |
| 13:06:34 | TheMasterMind1 | like busybox, tinylogin, udhcpc, etc etc |
| 13:06:37 | Dataken | but the layout needs work ;) |
| 13:06:40 | TheMasterMind1 | almost everything is new |
| 13:06:43 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: does your busybox still not unzip correctly? |
| 13:06:48 | cranchy | thatws cool... |
| 13:06:51 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: yea, that's not fixed yet |
| 13:06:55 | kolla | any point in uopdating the initrd? Isn't it easier to just update the running filesystem? |
| 13:07:00 | kolla | updating |
| 13:07:02 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3 is going to commit that fix today i think |
| 13:07:02 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: so when you gonna release your krad bin officially? |
| 13:07:10 | Dataken | and it cant resolv hostnames |
| 13:07:22 | TheMasterMind1 | well, 2.9.7 should be released on sf.net soon |
| 13:07:28 | numatrix | Dataken: your /etc/resolv.conf correct? |
| 13:07:29 | TheMasterMind1 | that will have all the fixes mine does |
| 13:07:34 | cranchy | how soon? :) |
| 13:07:35 | TheMasterMind1 | plus more |
| 13:07:44 | Dataken | hmm |
| 13:07:45 | TheMasterMind1 | cranchy: i dunno.. depends on when kergoth finishes the new buildroot |
| 13:07:48 | TheMasterMind1 | then we have to test it |
| 13:07:48 | cranchy | i'm weighing whether or not to keep screwing around with my Z... |
| 13:07:48 | cranchy | :) |
| 13:07:54 | Dataken | why doesn't dhcp update /etc/resolv :/ |
| 13:07:55 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: will it be possible to upgrade all that from an existing OZ without flashing? |
| 13:08:01 | numatrix | Dataken: it should. |
| 13:08:06 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: it is, but its known not to work properly |
| 13:08:08 | Dataken | it didnt :/ |
| 13:08:13 | TheMasterMind1 | it screws up since there's so much that's different |
| 13:08:18 | TheMasterMind1 | its much easier to just reflash |
| 13:08:25 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: so I'll hold on to the CF card I've been borrowing for a few more days... ;-) |
| 13:08:27 | cranchy | Mastermind: for syncing via USB, is the Z assigning dhcp address for that yet? |
| 13:08:33 | TheMasterMind1 | cranchy: *shrug* |
| 13:08:38 | TheMasterMind1 | i think so |
| 13:08:39 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure |
| 13:08:48 | cranchy | cause the old one didn't.... |
| 13:08:48 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: and it's not necessarily easier if I've got a lot of programs installed. :-) |
| 13:08:58 | TheMasterMind1 | where are they installed? |
| 13:09:05 | TheMasterMind1 | to sd/cf or ram? |
| 13:09:14 | numatrix | different places, some in ram, some sd. |
| 13:09:40 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: I don't actually have too many installed right now, but I was planning on doing a few installs I'd been meaning to do for a while. |
| 13:10:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:10:07 | TheMasterMind1 | well the ram will get wiped |
| 13:10:17 | TheMasterMind1 | but i'm working on something that restores apps installed on sd/cf |
| 13:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | so when you insert a cf or sd it automatically sets it up |
| 13:10:37 | TheMasterMind1 | meaning you can borrow anyone's sd or cf and plug it in |
| 13:10:38 | Dataken | numatrix: resolv is ok now, but still doesn't resolv |
| 13:10:40 | TheMasterMind1 | and use any apps installed |
| 13:10:49 | kolla | What's up with http://www.openzaurus.org/ ? |
| 13:10:53 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: something that goes through and automatically readds them? Could you include the capability to look in .usr and .opt as well? I often manually install there to avoid the Document tab crap. |
| 13:10:53 | roge99 | Dataken: its resolv.conf |
| 13:11:19 | Dataken | i know |
| 13:11:26 | roge99 | ok ... |
| 13:11:26 | cranchy | kergoth: get your ass out of bed and fix the buildroot...I miss my hancom apps :P |
| 13:11:43 | numatrix | cranchy: how will that fix hancom? |
| 13:11:45 | cranchy | fike |
| 13:11:54 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: hmm. maybe. need to figure this out first.. and i'm contemplating adding a patch that disables the documents tab in OZ |
| 13:11:58 | kolla | what's the oz feed gain? |
| 13:12:00 | cranchy | numatrix: the buildroot is supposed to make hancom ipks...isn't it? |
| 13:12:01 | kolla | again |
| 13:12:04 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe just restrict it to first level dir |
| 13:12:11 | TheMasterMind1 | and not let it look at the subdirs |
| 13:12:17 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: or maybe disables it searching anywhere but Documents directories? That would be niice... |
| 13:12:23 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or something you give to cattle! |
| 13:12:23 | roge99 | ibot feed |
| 13:12:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm yea |
| 13:12:26 | TheMasterMind1 | that's good too |
| 13:16:55 | kolla | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ was kinda empty :) |
| 13:19:44 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:20:34 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 13:20:37 | TheMasterMind1 | bitches at C |
| 13:21:50 | scanline | is back (gone 00:19:41) |
| 13:21:59 | prodigy | heya all |
| 13:22:33 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 13:22:37 | kolla | is those files at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ really all that should be there? |
| 13:22:39 | kolla | are |
| 13:22:42 | prodigy | Is it possible to charge the SL-5500's battery without the cradle? I mean, does it have an AC input? |
| 13:22:50 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 13:22:51 | kolla | prodigy: yes |
| 13:23:01 | JasonNJ | connect the power connector from the cradle directly into the unit |
| 13:23:04 | prodigy | ah, and what is the charge time? |
| 13:23:09 | prodigy | ah I see |
| 13:23:10 | JasonNJ | identical |
| 13:23:19 | prodigy | and that is..? <-- hasn't got his sl-5500 yet |
| 13:23:26 | JasonNJ | about 2 hours |
| 13:23:31 | prodigy | wow! that's not bad |
| 13:23:34 | Dataken | brb |
| 13:23:37 | JasonNJ | after teh first charge |
| 13:23:43 | JasonNJ | which you should do overnight |
| 13:23:48 | JasonNJ | just to condition the battery |
| 13:23:54 | prodigy | and what's the volt input? |
| 13:24:19 | JasonNJ | 5.0v DC |
| 13:24:23 | JasonNJ | using the ac adapter |
| 13:25:13 | prodigy | yeah, I don't understand that: the specs say 5.0 DC and Li-ion battery: 3.7 DC, does that mean that the battery provide less power than the adapter? |
| 13:25:45 | numatrix | prodigy: I use my officemate's IPAQ charger when I'm at work... |
| 13:26:13 | prodigy | aha |
| 13:26:28 | JasonNJ | prodigy no it gets stepped down |
| 13:26:42 | bipolar | heh... Xfree 4.2.0 has VMware video support built in. cool |
| 13:27:27 | JasonNJ | the unit can be charged and used simultaneously obviously |
| 13:27:39 | JasonNJ | so at full draw with charge its going to require more juice |
| 13:29:28 | prodigy | ah I see, thanks |
| 13:30:01 | prodigy | another question, does the Z's kernel has firewall support (.e.g.: iptables)? |
| 13:31:09 | tux_mike | goes to break dhcpcd |
| 13:31:12 | darienm|away | So JasonNJ, any issues with just putting 4 AA batteries in series with a simple cord that fits the Z and plugging it in? |
| 13:31:31 | numatrix | When did /feeds/3.0/ get wiped out? |
| 13:31:44 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 13:31:50 | tux_mike | ... |
| 13:31:51 | darienm|away | numatrix: gets wiped every nite during rebuild... perhaps the rebuild failed |
| 13:31:52 | tux_mike | goto |
| 13:31:55 | numatrix | There's not much in it. |
| 13:31:57 | Xentac | is back (gone 00:37:01) |
| 13:32:00 | tux_mike | pukes violently |
| 13:32:10 | numatrix | I could have sworn there was more than a few dozen items there. |
| 13:32:12 | numatrix | tux_mike: you ok/ |
| 13:32:14 | numatrix | ? |
| 13:32:18 | prodigy | does the Z's kernel has firewall support (.e.g.: iptables)? |
| 13:32:32 | TheMasterMind1 | prodigy: the oz kernel does |
| 13:32:32 | tux_mike | the guy who wrote dhcpcd has gotos in the code |
| 13:32:36 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 13:32:39 | TheMasterMind1 | dhcpcd is shit. |
| 13:32:44 | TheMasterMind1 | use udhdpc |
| 13:32:50 | prodigy | is the oz kernel better than the one which comes with the Z? |
| 13:32:51 | tux_mike | udhcpc? |
| 13:32:53 | jmhodges | fuck |
| 13:32:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 13:32:57 | jmhodges | uses dhcpch |
| 13:33:04 | prodigy | ok |
| 13:33:05 | TheMasterMind1 | udhcpc is so much cooler |
| 13:33:09 | | i think openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 13:33:09 | prodigy | ibot openzaurus |
| 13:33:13 | jmhodges | isnt that the extra small one TheMasterMind1 ? |
| 13:33:16 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 13:33:17 | prodigy | i'm out, later |
| 13:33:19 | TheMasterMind1 | works awesome |
| 13:33:37 | tux_mike | link? |
| 13:33:42 | TheMasterMind1 | its in the new busybox |
| 13:33:46 | tux_mike | ah |
| 13:33:51 | TheMasterMind1 | get it from tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 13:33:56 | TheMasterMind1 | the busybox in there has it |
| 13:34:26 | tux_mike | a busybox implementation is not what i need |
| 13:34:55 | TheMasterMind1 | someone write me some c/c++ code that will loop through all the lines in the files /usr/lib/ipkg/list/*.list |
| 13:35:20 | tux_mike | jmhodges: is there a link for dhcpch? |
| 13:35:54 | jmhodges | tux_mike: i misspelled it .. sorry. dhcpcd |
| 13:35:58 | tux_mike | oh] |
| 13:36:02 | jmhodges | tux_mike: heheh i said "fuck" and then that line |
| 13:36:17 | jmhodges | right after mastermind said it sucked |
| 13:38:05 | mjn3 | tux_mike: udhcp was initially standalone. see udhcp.busybox.net for the original source |
| 13:39:16 | tux_mike | i'm looking at something i can easily add link-state checking options |
| 13:40:15 | mjn3 | tux_mike: so you resolved the kernel interface question yesterday? |
| 13:42:51 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: what are you trying to do with the *.list files? |
| 13:46:25 | tux_mike | mjn3: yes, the flag is IFF_RUNNING that i'm looking for |
| 13:48:07 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3: trying to set it up so that when you insert a cf or sd card, it automatically symlinks all software installed to that medium back to / so that it can be used |
| 13:48:16 | TheMasterMind1 | via the launcher and via opie |
| 13:49:08 | Xentac | is away: wurk |
| 13:49:35 | TheMasterMind1 | the *.list files have the listing of all files that were installed to that medium by ipkg |
| 13:51:56 | fusion94 | is back (gone 06:47:13) |
| 13:54:18 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: wouldn't it be easier to just prefix your PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH with the appropriate paths for the cf and sd cards? if the dirs don't exist, then they are ignored. if they do, then the apps are usable |
| 13:54:46 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3: yea, that works for most files, but not all |
| 13:55:01 | TheMasterMind1 | there are many config files and pics etc that need to be in specific locations |
| 13:55:20 | TheMasterMind1 | for example, desktop icons only show if the .desktop file is present in /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/ |
| 13:55:36 | TheMasterMind1 | so basically, i need it to loop through all the files and i'll do some checks and symlink the ones that need to be symlinked |
| 13:56:55 | smee|w | again, that form of mounting that combines the contents from both mount points would be nice |
| 13:59:34 | Dataken | back |
| 14:03:31 | Dataken | shitttttttt |
| 14:03:38 | Dataken | jezus christ |
| 14:03:52 | Dataken | numatrix? |
| 14:04:19 | jmhodges | yow whats up Dataken |
| 14:04:25 | jmhodges | shit n/m class |
| 14:04:36 | Dataken | pfff :) |
| 14:04:42 | Dataken | i made a VERY big booboo :p |
| 14:04:50 | Dataken | i was testing mtr on the CF |
| 14:05:05 | Dataken | but if the CF is in the Z, my wireless nic isn't :p |
| 14:05:11 | Dataken | so no wonder it couldn't resolv anything :p |
| 14:05:54 | Dataken | so euh |
| 14:05:59 | Dataken | mtr works like a charm mate ;) |
| 14:07:34 | TheMasterMind1 | so who wants to write some c/c++ |
| 14:07:35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:07:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i've been coding php for too long |
| 14:08:45 | Dataken | i would, if i could :) |
| 14:09:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i actually know c, i'm just too lazy to write it |
| 14:09:40 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: sounds like it would be better to hack Qt so that you could specify a set of paths to search |
| 14:09:41 | Dataken | lol |
| 14:09:54 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3: that's what i said |
| 14:10:01 | TheMasterMind1 | but the opie guys don't like that idea |
| 14:10:09 | numatrix | Dataken: yeah, sorry I was pretending to work. :-) |
| 14:10:18 | TheMasterMind1 | plus, the way its setup right now, it will be a real pain in the ass |
| 14:10:34 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: what do you need written? The patch to restrict search path? |
| 14:10:43 | Dataken | woa |
| 14:10:48 | Dataken | i fixed the qtmail problem |
| 14:10:50 | TheMasterMind1 | and that will just be a hack basically, since it won't work with x or picogui or anything else |
| 14:10:59 | Dataken | i found it! |
| 14:11:04 | Dataken | when there is a space in your password |
| 14:11:10 | Dataken | it gives you a host not found error |
| 14:11:28 | Dataken | so put your pass between " " and it works!! |
| 14:11:34 | TheMasterMind1 | right now the path is basically hardcoded into the code, and to make it search multiple paths will require a lot of patches |
| 14:11:48 | TheMasterMind1 | and the opie guys aren't too keen on making these changes in the official opie sources |
| 14:13:15 | kolla | what changes? |
| 14:13:29 | kolla | oh.. the "lack of assigns" problem |
| 14:13:45 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: this may be a silly question, since i've never run oz, but would these symlinks be made to flash? |
| 14:14:07 | TheMasterMind1 | symlinks are made to /, which is the rom |
| 14:14:24 | TheMasterMind1 | 16 meg rom in the zaurus |
| 14:14:26 | kolla | why not use cariables? |
| 14:14:30 | kolla | variables even |
| 14:14:52 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: ugh... why would you want to cause writes to flash every time you inserted and removed a card? |
| 14:15:03 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i agree |
| 14:15:07 | kolla | what's wrng with writing to flash? |
| 14:15:10 | kolla | wrong |
| 14:15:16 | TheMasterMind1 | limited read/write cycles |
| 14:15:21 | TheMasterMind1 | its a waste |
| 14:15:30 | kolla | with flash, you mean... SD card? |
| 14:15:34 | kolla | or CF? |
| 14:15:36 | TheMasterMind1 | both |
| 14:15:37 | kolla | or also the "rom"? |
| 14:15:44 | TheMasterMind1 | plus the rom and ram in the zaurus |
| 14:15:46 | TheMasterMind1 | its all flash |
| 14:15:52 | kolla | so it all sucks, geh :) |
| 14:16:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ram != flash |
| 14:16:11 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:16:15 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:16:15 | TheMasterMind1 | alright fine |
| 14:16:18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth > TheMasterMind1 |
| 14:16:34 | kolla | but ram dies on reboot, and reboot too often :) |
| 14:16:34 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3: either way though, you need some symlinks.. like stuff that's put in /usr/share or /etc |
| 14:16:40 | kergoth | kolla: no. |
| 14:16:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ram dies on a fullreset |
| 14:16:48 | TheMasterMind1 | not a rebot |
| 14:16:50 | TheMasterMind1 | reboot |
| 14:17:00 | TheMasterMind1 | which reminds me, if i halt my z and keep it off, is that bad? |
| 14:17:08 | kolla | well, why would anyone reboot if it wasnt for a totalt freeze? :) |
| 14:17:13 | kergoth | kolla: huh? |
| 14:17:24 | kolla | if it's up and running it works |
| 14:17:31 | kergoth | kolla: even if it freezes, your ram is still intact on reboot |
| 14:17:50 | tux_mike | kergoth: there are many gotos in dhcpcd |
| 14:17:55 | tux_mike | i'm gonna barf |
| 14:18:04 | kolla | those times the reset buttons works |
| 14:18:07 | kolla | -s |
| 14:18:07 | kergoth | i dont see how the cause of the reboot has anything to do with whether ram contents survive |
| 14:18:12 | kolla | button |
| 14:18:18 | kergoth | kolla: *SOFT* reset ~= reboot, does not lose ram contents |
| 14:18:25 | kergoth | kolla: *HARD* reset does |
| 14:18:31 | kolla | yes |
| 14:18:54 | kergoth | so what does soft reset have to do with your assertion that ram contents die on reboot? |
| 14:18:59 | kergoth | i feel like i'm missing something |
| 14:19:04 | kolla | those times when the green led is lit and it doesnt matter if you switch the soft reset button |
| 14:19:31 | kergoth | I havent had that happen more than once since purchasing my zaurus. |
| 14:19:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:19:43 | kolla | happens everytime I try to do something gancy :) |
| 14:19:44 | kolla | fancy |
| 14:19:49 | kergoth | 'fancy'? |
| 14:20:11 | kolla | like inserting/ejecting cards |
| 14:20:15 | kolla | various |
| 14:20:21 | kergoth | hm, that does nothing here |
| 14:20:22 | kergoth | odd |
| 14:20:26 | kolla | well, not _everytime_ |
| 14:20:38 | kolla | but so often it's annoying |
| 14:20:49 | kolla | so I dont use ram filesystem |
| 14:20:56 | kolla | except for /tmp |
| 14:21:03 | kergoth | as i said, ive seen it once, and i push my z *hard* |
| 14:21:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:21:07 | kergoth | wtf do you do to yours? :-P |
| 14:21:19 | kolla | fancy stuff like dialup? *nudge nudge* |
| 14:21:23 | kolla | :) |
| 14:21:24 | kergoth | bahh |
| 14:21:29 | kergoth | yeah yeah, pppd.. |
| 14:21:33 | kergoth | i should add that today |
| 14:21:34 | kolla | ;) |
| 14:21:54 | tux_mike | kergoth: i'm actually looking into modifing udhcpc |
| 14:22:20 | kergoth | tux_mike: good idea, waas planning on using that anyway. btw, udhcpc is also part of busybox now |
| 14:22:23 | smee|w | if ram != flash, what is it? |
| 14:22:31 | kergoth | smee|w: ram. |
| 14:22:38 | smee|w | :) ok |
| 14:22:59 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you know if the version in busybox is beyond 0.9.7? |
| 14:23:08 | kergoth | tux_mike: dont know offhand |
| 14:23:33 | mjn3 | tux_mike: no. it is 0.9.7 plush some slight mods for better busybox integration |
| 14:23:57 | tux_mike | this adds a big chunk of options :) |
| 14:24:00 | tux_mike | 4 more :) |
| 14:24:14 | kolla | well, a almost vertain crash is the following.. start playinga file from opieplayer2.. press cancel til lthe Z goes into suspend, press cancel to open... opieplayer2 is confused.. opie hangs.. try to reboot.. device busy.. it finally resets but the screen remains in "just about to reboot" state with display light on |
| 14:24:19 | tux_mike | -d, -b, -l, -t |
| 14:24:21 | kolla | vertain -> certain |
| 14:24:36 | kolla | playing from CF card btw |
| 14:24:38 | numatrix | mjn3: any progress on unzip? |
| 14:24:48 | kolla | forgot the bit about CF card |
| 14:24:59 | kergoth | ahh |
| 14:25:01 | mjn3 | numatrix: it will be fixed today. the get_header_zip.c function needs rewriting |
| 14:25:05 | tux_mike | kergoth: but i don't know how far i'll be able to get with this :) |
| 14:27:41 | numatrix | are the ncurses libs in the same place on sharp as OZ? |
| 14:27:53 | kolla | /usr/lib |
| 14:27:54 | numatrix | mjn3-away: Excellent, thanks a bunch. |
| 14:28:05 | kolla | should be /lib though |
| 14:28:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:28:19 | TheMasterMind1 | so what should i do about this stupid symlink thing |
| 14:29:22 | numatrix | kolla: Here's the situation; I'm making an ipk to install a command line tool for OZ and sharp rom. Sharp rom includes libncurses.so.4 by default, but OZ doesn't, so I want a postinst to symlink .so.4 to .so.5.2 |
| 14:29:48 | Dataken | numatrix: mtr? :) |
| 14:29:51 | numatrix | kolla: At least, it will create the sym link if .so.4 doesn't exist and .so.5 does. |
| 14:29:53 | numatrix | Dataken: yeah. |
| 14:29:54 | kolla | numatrix: huh... why? so that all apps requiering .4 will crash? :) |
| 14:29:58 | Dataken | ;) |
| 14:30:07 | numatrix | kolla; mtr was made for .4 and it runs fine with .5.2 |
| 14:30:12 | kolla | lucky |
| 14:31:11 | kolla | just put it somewhere else and set the LD_something_PATH variable in the script orwhatever launches the app |
| 14:31:24 | TheMasterMind1 | why don't we just add the .4 to oz..? |
| 14:31:34 | numatrix | That would be good as well... |
| 14:32:05 | kolla | gotta love unix lib system |
| 14:32:17 | kolla | sucks about just as much as windows dlls :) |
| 14:33:01 | JasonNJ | actually it sucks worse in some ways |
| 14:33:12 | kolla | I'm not surprised :) |
| 14:33:24 | fusion94 | windows dlls rock |
| 14:34:36 | numatrix | Dataken: ok, ipkg is made if you want to 'actually' install it. :-) http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ |
| 14:34:50 | numatrix | Dataken: in this case, it doesn't relaly matter, but... |
| 14:35:50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we want two ncurses 4 packages, one with ncurses4 itself, one with symlinks to 5. users can choose which they prefer |
| 14:37:15 | kolla | what about 5.0? |
| 14:37:16 | kolla | :) |
| 14:37:46 | TheMasterMind1 | gives up |
| 14:38:07 | TheMasterMind1 | damned symlinks |
| 14:40:46 | Dataken | numatrix: is your GameBoyZ faster then gnuboy? :) |
| 14:41:00 | tux_mike | kergoth: "Excellent. Phones are running hot with complaints that sessions on the 4th floor NT server are being lost randomly. What is the problem most likely to be?" |
| 14:41:00 | tux_mike | "The problem, as I see it, is that the phone is on the hook." |
| 14:41:14 | tux_mike | from BOFH 1996 Vintage :) |
| 14:41:36 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:07:42) |
| 14:42:05 | numatrix | Dataken: no, not faster than the enhanced version of gnuboy. At least, not on most games; they're about the same, though slightly different depending on the game. |
| 14:55:27 | TheMasterMind1 | rm -rf / |
| 14:58:00 | numatrix | Argh. Is there something wrong with the feed? I can't even install ipks locally now. |
| 14:58:08 | kolla | TheMasterMind1: need a new OS? :) |
| 14:58:43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:58:47 | TheMasterMind1 | my z's rom is now empty! |
| 14:59:02 | kolla | woohee :) |
| 15:00:39 | kolla | is it possible to build busybox "the right way"[tm], that is as a shell with all the commands buildt in? |
| 15:03:16 | kolla | would be nice |
| 15:03:49 | kolla | but everything that relies on external programs would ofcourse not work :) |
| 15:08:59 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 15:09:23 | Harlekin | could anybody with oz on please check where ssh-agent is located on oz? |
| 15:10:15 | numatrix | Harlekin: /usr/bin/ssh-agent |
| 15:10:20 | Harlekin | great |
| 15:10:24 | Harlekin | so same location as on familar |
| 15:10:25 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:10:28 | numatrix | :-) |
| 15:13:01 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 15:14:21 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 41 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: actually it sucks worse in some ways [Tue Sep 17 15:33:01 2002] |
| 15:14:21 | BigBoss | ibot seen JasonNJ |
| 15:14:50 | Dataken | off |
| 15:14:51 | Dataken | & |
| 15:15:45 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 15:17:54 | Onyx4 | mmm the oz feed is still foobar |
| 15:18:21 | numatrix | hey BB. |
| 15:19:28 | kergoth | busybox in the feed is hosed. dont know why just yet |
| 15:19:42 | guised | hey |
| 15:19:48 | Onyx4 | still no new opie? |
| 15:19:53 | kergoth | Onyx4: ? |
| 15:20:06 | Onyx4 | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ is almost empty |
| 15:20:08 | guised | when the cops get you in drugmoney, the game is over, right |
| 15:20:08 | kergoth | Onyx4: opie is in flux atm |
| 15:20:18 | guised | ? |
| 15:20:22 | kergoth | Onyx4: i know, the oz buildroot is hosed. generation of everything is a pain in the ass atm |
| 15:20:28 | numatrix | guised: I'd imagine not if you had money in the bank. |
| 15:20:30 | kergoth | Onyx4: trying to fin da better way to handle it |
| 15:20:32 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah, it was hosing up my Z this morning. |
| 15:20:35 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 15:20:42 | guised | how do you bail yourself out |
| 15:20:50 | kergoth | numatrix: arent illegal instructions fun |
| 15:21:08 | numatrix | kergoth: :-) Yup; I'm back to installing apps by hand which I usually do anyway... |
| 15:21:20 | numatrix | guised: <shrug> Dunno, I haven't played the zaurus verssion at all. |
| 15:22:29 | guised | lol |
| 15:22:40 | guised | i always get caught by the cops |
| 15:23:02 | numatrix | guised: I think there's a moral lesson to be learned there. |
| 15:23:05 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 15:23:47 | Onyx4 | when it OZ going to use udhcpd? |
| 15:23:53 | kergoth | Onyx4: shortly |
| 15:23:58 | treke | numatrix: that you shouldnt have problems killing the cops? |
| 15:24:02 | kergoth | Onyx4: its already in busybox, just need to ensure the scripts suppro tit |
| 15:24:08 | Onyx4 | kergoth: k |
| 15:24:08 | treke | cuz they'll just steal you cash? |
| 15:24:16 | numatrix | treke: Right. Exac--umm, wait a second... |
| 15:24:36 | guised | heh |
| 15:24:49 | guised | i guess i'm not meant to be a drugdealer |
| 15:24:59 | guised | but the game is still fun :-D |
| 15:25:25 | guised | how hard would it be to port snes9x to opie |
| 15:28:18 | Harlekin | guised: did not somebody allready do it? |
| 15:28:29 | Harlekin | guised: and doesnt if have an sdl out? |
| 15:28:39 | Harlekin | guised: then a recompile with small modifications would do it |
| 15:29:17 | numatrix | Harlekin: nobody's done it yet; done for X11 for familiar, but not opie. |
| 15:29:32 | Harlekin | numatrix: sdl out? |
| 15:29:35 | numatrix | Harlekin: and it doesn't have an sdl mode that I can find; I've done gameboy and nes sdl ports to the Z, but haven't found a snes yet. |
| 15:29:47 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 15:30:34 | numatrix | Harlekin: see this thread where SDL in snes9x is discussed: http://www.snes9x.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4690 |
| 15:30:42 | numatrix | Not exactly canonical, but... |
| 15:30:44 | Harlekin | than its normally the easiest to map the images to an qdirectpainter |
| 15:31:51 | numatrix | Harlekin: definitely; that's why I (am I'm pretty much a non-programmer) can get a gameboy emulator and nintendo emulator working. :-) |
| 15:32:13 | Harlekin | numatrix: i ment if you do not have sdl |
| 15:32:48 | guised | wow |
| 15:33:05 | guised | its all a lot of programing talk |
| 15:33:19 | guised | i'm lucky i can use the command line for basic stuff |
| 15:33:19 | guised | lol |
| 15:34:14 | numatrix | Harlekin: I can't read today. gocha. Sorry. :-) |
| 15:34:52 | numatrix | Harlekin: I doubt that would give you the speed necessary for a snes emulator though. I'd be ~very~ impressed if anybody got an existing snes emulator working for the zaurus with any reasonable speed. It'll probably require a lot of asm. |
| 15:35:22 | numatrix | Anybody know who did justreader? |
| 15:40:59 | | Test Failed! |
| 15:40:59 | ljp_work | ibot: test |
| 15:41:13 | | don't you be talkin' 'bout ljp_studio's momma! |
| 15:41:13 | ljp_work | ibot: yo momma |
| 15:41:33 | | ljp_work: I forgot yo momma |
| 15:41:33 | ljp_work | ibot: forget yo momma |
| 15:42:32 | | OK, ljp_work. |
| 15:42:32 | ljp_work | ibot: yo momma is <reply> bugger off, floppy sod! |
| 15:47:40 | ljp_work | floppy sod |
| 15:53:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:53:18 | ljp_work | sloppy fod |
| 15:53:28 | ljp_work | its boring in here today |
| 15:53:38 | kergoth | indeed |
| 15:53:59 | ljp_work | today is graphics day |
| 15:54:12 | kergoth | today is buildsystem day for me, i'm re-doing opie, and oz's buildsystems |
| 15:54:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:54:22 | ljp_work | hmmmm |
| 15:54:35 | ljp_work | well, let me know when the dust settles |
| 15:54:41 | kergoth | will do |
| 15:55:05 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 13:56:31) |
| 15:55:07 | ljp_work | maybe I can do two op2 skins |
| 15:55:34 | ljp_work | one weird rock and roll one |
| 15:55:42 | ljp_work | tye dye |
| 15:56:11 | ljp_work | or star trek |
| 15:56:15 | ljp_work | heh |
| 15:56:40 | ljp_work | or I could start work on my tricorder |
| 15:58:53 | ljp_work | beam me up Scottie |
| 16:02:01 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 16:09:38 | XavierXeon | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=3343&s=daf990ea123a9132653a803b9a2e94f2 |
| 16:11:55 | cranch | anyone homne |
| 16:12:29 | numatrix | No. All gone. |
| 16:12:45 | cranch | haha |
| 16:12:53 | cranch | anyone got the 2.9.6 of OZ? |
| 16:12:59 | XavierXeon | home sweet home |
| 16:13:30 | cranch | I was using Mastermind's initrd.bin but I can't get my tkc stuff working.... |
| 16:13:34 | cod | sal > all |
| 16:13:49 | | TheMasterMind1 was last seen on #opie 3 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: should i patch opie to look in multiple locations or not? [Tue Sep 17 17:09:54 2002] |
| 16:13:49 | numatrix | ibot: Seen TheMasterMind1 |
| 16:14:03 | numatrix | cranch: he should be around, you might want to check with him. |
| 16:14:06 | Onyx4 | cranch: do you install the tkcstuff to an SD card with vfat? |
| 16:14:09 | cranch | I talked to him earlier... |
| 16:14:10 | tux_mike | i have come to the conclusion that all the creatons of the world amass at Radio Shack |
| 16:14:13 | cranch | no...mtdram |
| 16:14:16 | cranch | :) |
| 16:14:17 | kergoth | cranch: http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ is the last one i built |
| 16:14:25 | cranch | sweet :) |
| 16:14:40 | cranch | thanks :) |
| 16:14:41 | cod | anyone received a Z from last Sharp Z apps contest ? |
| 16:15:08 | cranch | do I need to use a zImage from the /testing/2.4.7 directory then? |
| 16:15:30 | kergoth | cranch: nope, can use those or the stock 2.4.6 images |
| 16:15:32 | numatrix | cod: I believe people have, but no one who submitted their entry near the earlieer. |
| 16:15:38 | cranch | k..thanks |
| 16:15:40 | kergoth | cranch:/testing/ is where i drop all my testing crap |
| 16:15:41 | kergoth | cranch: np |
| 16:15:51 | cranch | so you saying its going to blow up my Z :P |
| 16:15:52 | cranch | haha |
| 16:21:06 | tux_mike | rolls on the floor laughing at the "walking drives" entry of the jargon file |
| 16:23:38 | cranch | :) |
| 16:33:35 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:33:36 | whardier | hi |
| 16:33:46 | whardier | this channel has an alternate life after 1:00am |
| 16:33:59 | whardier | its full of strange europeans! |
| 16:34:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:34:22 | whardier | makes his cube happy |
| 16:34:24 | whardier | err |
| 16:34:25 | whardier | qube |
| 16:35:07 | erikd | is it possible to put OZ on a cf card via ftp to the z to install it? |
| 16:35:12 | kergoth | erikd: yep |
| 16:35:17 | erikd | because i don't have a reader yet |
| 16:35:18 | erikd | cool |
| 16:35:41 | kergoth | make sure you dont mess up the procedure though, cause without a reader you wotn be able to recover the z :) |
| 16:36:09 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/qube_wap.jpg |
| 16:36:15 | whardier | one complex little wap |
| 16:36:16 | erikd | can't you flash the z to the sharp rom? |
| 16:36:23 | erikd | via the cradle |
| 16:36:36 | MSpin | whardier: ooOOOoo |
| 16:36:42 | kergoth | erikd: assuming you didnt screw up bad enough that your z doesnt boot |
| 16:36:53 | erikd | ... |
| 16:36:56 | whardier | MSpin hehehe |
| 16:37:06 | erikd | thinks he'll just stay with the sharp rom |
| 16:37:21 | kergoth | (i.e. if you forgot to rename zImage-blah to zImage, you'll have a OZ initrd with the stock sharp kernel, which will fail) |
| 16:37:36 | erikd | so then i'm screwed? |
| 16:37:36 | kergoth | erikd: just follow the procedure and read the faq and you should be fine |
| 16:37:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:37:44 | whardier | thinks that in place of a dark lord.. you shann have a.. .. uhm.. PINGIZAURU! |
| 16:37:46 | kergoth | if that happens, you'll need a cf reader to recover |
| 16:37:54 | MSpin | whardier: I still to hook my 24dBi parabolic to one of my APs and aim it at the sbux across the street:) |
| 16:38:00 | erikd | oh... |
| 16:38:07 | erikd | maybe i'd go to best buy and get one then :) |
| 16:38:14 | whardier | MSpin hehe.. I have more wireless equipment than I know what to do with right now |
| 16:38:17 | whardier | I have no laptop |
| 16:38:27 | whardier | and 4 cards |
| 16:38:30 | whardier | 3 huge dishes |
| 16:38:41 | whardier | more PCMCIA controllers than you can shake a stick at |
| 16:38:55 | tux_mike | shakes a stick at whardier |
| 16:38:56 | erikd | has a lappy! |
| 16:39:02 | erikd | doesn't have a qube, though |
| 16:39:14 | whardier | erikd: well thats what makes "me" special.. and you juts normal |
| 16:39:16 | whardier | just even |
| 16:39:20 | tux_mike | i need a new laptop. one with integrated wifi |
| 16:39:21 | whardier | :) |
| 16:39:23 | erikd | sees doritos |
| 16:39:26 | whardier | mine! |
| 16:39:28 | Rince | Sinfest? |
| 16:39:32 | erikd | =/ |
| 16:39:34 | MSpin | whardier: I'm not quite that bad, but I got a closet full |
| 16:39:36 | erikd | wants doritos |
| 16:39:42 | whardier | too |
| 16:40:02 | whardier | MSpin: hehe.. hook up the parabolic and have fun |
| 16:40:08 | erikd | i don't even use the wifi on my lappy |
| 16:40:09 | whardier | I had an amp once upon a time |
| 16:40:14 | whardier | it ran away to its owner |
| 16:40:17 | erikd | my access point is crap or something |
| 16:40:21 | whardier | slapped a 15db gain on receive |
| 16:40:27 | erikd | it won't even reach to my basement |
| 16:40:28 | whardier | thats a nice huge boost |
| 16:40:35 | whardier | I could warscan from my bathroom |
| 16:40:38 | cranch | what do I have to set my PC IP settings to to sync with my OZ..I forget :( |
| 16:41:00 | MSpin | whardier: hehe yeah...I got a 6dbi omni screwed to the back of my RG-1000 |
| 16:41:11 | whardier | ok |
| 16:41:16 | whardier | using ccache on this 250mhz processor |
| 16:41:20 | whardier | makes kernl compiling happy |
| 16:41:21 | erikd | bigboss: statically linked QG today? =) |
| 16:41:33 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 2 hours, 43 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: great [Mon Sep 16 14:57:36 2002] |
| 16:41:33 | Harlekin | ibot: seen warmi |
| 16:41:34 | whardier | kernel compile takes 1/2 as long after its first done |
| 16:42:00 | whardier | the oz buildroot could benifit |
| 16:42:08 | whardier | and instead of delete directorie trees |
| 16:42:18 | whardier | just add clean paramaters that it can run from each .mk |
| 16:42:25 | BigBoss | erikd: he was supposed to do it last night, but he's having isp trouble right now |
| 16:42:27 | whardier | so that ccache files still exist |
| 16:42:33 | BigBoss | he's in the Ukraine and it can be flakey |
| 16:42:40 | erikd | bigboss: ah =/ |
| 16:42:41 | BigBoss | hopefully he'll be done when I get back from golfing |
| 16:42:44 | kergoth | whardier: so get to it then :) |
| 16:42:51 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: should I test buildroot? |
| 16:42:52 | whardier | kergoth: well.. maybe I will |
| 16:42:57 | BigBoss | wouldn't surprise me if it was already on the server and he just wasn't able to get me an email to tell me |
| 16:42:58 | erikd | works with vim then |
| 16:43:00 | whardier | playing with too many other weird issues ATM |
| 16:43:03 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: not yet |
| 16:43:05 | erikd | i don't see it on there |
| 16:43:21 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 16:43:22 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 16:43:59 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: do you know if the logoscreen.c has to be in the same structure as the stock one? |
| 16:46:43 | whardier | newp |
| 16:46:48 | whardier | its funkx0r3d |
| 16:47:15 | whardier | Ia m going to submerse a computer soon |
| 16:49:04 | chouimat | whardier: and freeze it after :) |
| 16:49:35 | whardier | pretty much |
| 16:49:49 | whardier | its gonna die! |
| 16:49:52 | whardier | err |
| 16:49:53 | whardier | rather |
| 16:49:59 | whardier | heh |
| 16:50:00 | whardier | not die |
| 16:50:12 | whardier | I should be able to overclock cpu/gpu/ram |
| 16:50:14 | whardier | which could be fun |
| 16:50:34 | whardier | but thats not really the test after all |
| 16:50:46 | whardier | the test is to measure heat transfer rates of different liquids |
| 16:51:00 | whardier | and see what magic smoke looks like underwater |
| 16:51:05 | chouimat|work | whardier: guiness is good |
| 16:51:15 | whardier | chouimat|work: yes.. thanks for the 411 |
| 16:51:18 | whardier | :) |
| 16:51:29 | chouimat|work | whardier: as a coolant :) |
| 16:51:38 | whardier | hah |
| 16:51:38 | whardier | what? |
| 16:51:55 | whardier | moo |
| 16:52:16 | chouimat|work | I want to graduate from Bovine University |
| 16:53:14 | Bovine | hands chouimat|work a free diploma |
| 16:54:25 | chouimat|work | Bovine: PhD? |
| 16:56:28 | whardier | fuck |
| 16:56:30 | whardier | I was so close! |
| 16:56:54 | whardier | when I add one of the qubes antiquated tulip cards to a bridge |
| 16:56:59 | whardier | it freezes the qube |
| 16:57:04 | whardier | its an ice tray! |
| 17:02:32 | W|GGL|T | new zaurus will be released in nov? hrmm... |
| 17:03:00 | treke | W|GGL|T: whered that come from? |
| 17:03:12 | numatrix | treke: the zauruszone someone posted earlieer. |
| 17:03:24 | numatrix | treke: zz link someone posted earlier, that is. |
| 17:03:34 | W|GGL|T | someone on the ZZ forum got an email from sharp |
| 17:03:59 | JasonNJ | wigglit: a bad email? |
| 17:04:38 | W|GGL|T | maybe...not taking it as gospel, of course, but its info nonetheless |
| 17:06:26 | | i guess zwebring is at http://W.webring.com/hub?ring=zaurussl5x00webr |
| 17:06:26 | W|GGL|T | ibot zwebring |
| 17:06:38 | | W|GGL|T: I forgot zwebring |
| 17:06:38 | W|GGL|T | ibot forget zwebring |
| 17:06:58 | phatcat | is it possible my SD went bad? |
| 17:08:47 | W|GGL|T | hrmm.. |
| 17:08:50 | | i guess webring is the Zaurus WebRing and is located at http://W.webring.com/hub?ring=zaurussl5x00webr. Please consider joining the effort to organize Zaurus resources! |
| 17:08:50 | W|GGL|T | ibot webring |
| 17:10:07 | phatcat | i tried to mount it but it gave me an invalid argument |
| 17:10:08 | Harlekin | that webring is huge |
| 17:11:01 | W|GGL|T | yeah...grew in the last week or so |
| 17:11:18 | Harlekin | </sarcasm> |
| 17:11:22 | W|GGL|T | wish more would join though...there's a ton of Z websites out there |
| 17:11:43 | W|GGL|T | sorry...missed the sarcasm |
| 17:12:00 | Harlekin | ,.-) |
| 17:12:17 | W|GGL|T | you should take sarcasm 101 :oP |
| 17:15:26 | phatcat | ya'll do you have any idea? |
| 17:20:27 | darienm | gives erikd a Scooby snack to calm down... |
| 17:22:18 | darienm | reminds erikd that even though he'll get his Zaurus today, it should really charge 12 hours before use... |
| 17:31:28 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: where is that quote from? |
| 17:32:00 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: his quit msg? the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy |
| 17:32:13 | W|GGL|T | oh |
| 17:33:53 | JasonNJ | |
| 17:33:57 | JasonNJ | |
| 17:34:03 | jmhodges | Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy :) |
| 17:36:16 | darienm | ... like being hit on the side of the head with a slide of lemon, wrapped around a baseball bat ... |
| 17:37:35 | darienm | ok, I messed that up.. bad memory |
| 17:37:38 | darienm | "like having your brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick. " |
| 17:37:55 | darienm | brick, bat... same difference |
| 17:38:07 | erikd | but you didn't say gold bat |
| 17:38:15 | erikd | =) |
| 17:39:06 | darienm | nor did I say 'large' or even manage to spell 'slice' correctly |
| 17:39:29 | erikd | true |
| 17:39:35 | darienm | but not having read the book in over a decade, I think I did fairly well -- even remembering the name of the drink being Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster. |
| 17:40:13 | darienm | Did I say 'decade'? Geez, it's been nearly TWO ! |
| 17:40:32 | erikd | goes to play ut2k3 more |
| 17:40:35 | W|GGL|T | all this is over my head, of course |
| 17:42:41 | Zxcvb | have any openzaurus developers considered using gobe productive once it goes GPL? |
| 17:43:34 | BZFlag | gobe productive? |
| 17:43:56 | Zxcvb | a light office suite for windows/linux/beos |
| 17:44:21 | Zxcvb | it is supposedly going GPL in november, as it was bought up by some company |
| 17:44:36 | Zxcvb | they intend to make money by customizing it for embedded/niche markets |
| 17:45:11 | BZFlag | Zxcvb: I only see win/beos versions on the site. |
| 17:46:32 | Zxcvb | yes |
| 17:46:36 | Zxcvb | it hasn't gone GPL yet |
| 17:47:50 | BZFlag | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1520 |
| 17:48:42 | Zxcvb | is there any news on the 5600? |
| 17:49:01 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: if you port it |
| 17:49:48 | Zxcvb | hopefully it will be fairly easy |
| 17:50:28 | Harlekin | maybe not |
| 17:50:32 | Harlekin | it looks like they use gtk |
| 17:50:41 | BZFlag | hmm. the linux dl is still there: http://www.gobe.com/downloads/gobe_linux_x86_install.tgz |
| 17:50:43 | Zxcvb | hasn't GTK been ported to openzaurus? |
| 17:50:54 | BZFlag | not that I know of. |
| 17:51:10 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: who wants gtk |
| 17:52:01 | [DrEvil] | gtk is prettier than qt |
| 17:52:21 | Harlekin | sure not from programming side |
| 17:52:30 | inomine_ | no qt is pretty |
| 17:52:42 | BZFlag | ok, stop it with the trolling. |
| 17:53:53 | Onyx4 | install opie-liquid and it'll make QT real pretty |
| 17:54:06 | Harlekin | Onyx4: hmm, as long as youre not sick of it |
| 17:54:13 | Onyx4 | you are? |
| 17:54:14 | Harlekin | Onyx4: i especially hate the lines |
| 17:54:27 | Harlekin | and i really dislike the real from apple |
| 17:54:30 | Harlekin | distracts to much |
| 17:54:30 | Onyx4 | oh I disabled that, I just like the titlebars and scrollbars |
| 17:54:49 | Onyx4 | I use basically the aqua theme and I don't see the lines |
| 17:54:50 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:55:19 | Onyx4 | but it was kind of tricky to disable those, I think I had to play with the contrast thing |
| 17:55:29 | Onyx4 | I kept the transparent menus too |
| 17:59:30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: having fun? |
| 17:59:59 | KallDrexx | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 18:00:00 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: did you make opie-liquid? |
| 18:00:03 | TheMasterMind1 | sup KallDrexx |
| 18:00:13 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: pissed off but other than that fine :) |
| 18:00:13 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: hey hey |
| 18:00:17 | KallDrexx | hey Onyx4 |
| 18:00:23 | Onyx4 | new zmencoder |
| 18:00:26 | | zmencoder is at http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 18:00:26 | Onyx4 | ibot: zmencoder |
| 18:00:28 | KallDrexx | sweet |
| 18:00:29 | TheMasterMind1 | what's changed? |
| 18:00:43 | Onyx4 | slight change in mpeg4 video compression quality |
| 18:00:49 | Onyx4 | better still images |
| 18:00:50 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 18:01:14 | Onyx4 | so low motion scenes are given a higher preference for the bits, but just slightly |
| 18:01:28 | KallDrexx | cool |
| 18:01:48 | Onyx4 | on the Z screen with high motion, you don't notice the lack of details much anyway |
| 18:02:45 | KallDrexx | man |
| 18:02:47 | Onyx4 | I think I will soon convert it to a perl script, so that you can select the aspect ratio and special audio bitrate from the command prompt |
| 18:02:49 | KallDrexx | i wanna be 18 already |
| 18:02:53 | KallDrexx | being a minor sucks ass |
| 18:03:00 | KallDrexx | or parents suck |
| 18:03:03 | KallDrexx | either will work |
| 18:03:24 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 18:03:26 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: you can't do that with shell? |
| 18:03:30 | [DrEvil] | then you become an adult and everything sucks |
| 18:03:33 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 18:03:39 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: it depends if 18 is legal drinking age or not in your state |
| 18:03:39 | Harlekin | Onyx4: no, sandman ported it over |
| 18:04:09 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: I dont' care about drinking age, i care about being independent. i cna't go to a cool concert cause my mom doesn't want me to |
| 18:04:13 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: well I think in perl it would have better parsing of cmdline arguments |
| 18:04:23 | TheMasterMind1 | that's true |
| 18:04:27 | TheMasterMind1 | but its pretty easy in shell too |
| 18:04:29 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 18:04:30 | TheMasterMind1 | like it matters |
| 18:06:31 | Onyx4 | one of the problem I had was if the filename had spaces in it, then it would just take part of the filename as the argument and would just fail the script |
| 18:06:55 | Onyx4 | so I need something a bit more intelligent in parsing arguments |
| 18:09:06 | Onyx4 | is going to lunch, bbl |
| 18:09:34 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: what's the difference from the initrd.bin (testing) and upgrading form oz feed? |
| 18:09:53 | Onyx4 | well isn't the oz feed still messed up? |
| 18:10:04 | KallDrexx | hey Teax |
| 18:10:22 | Teax | hi KallDrexx |
| 18:10:44 | Teax | KallDrexx: did you send the final? |
| 18:10:54 | KallDrexx | Teax: I got an extension |
| 18:11:02 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: what you developping again? |
| 18:11:16 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: multiplayer RTS which is going to kick ass since i have an artist now ;) |
| 18:11:24 | Onyx4 | oh yeah |
| 18:11:40 | Onyx4 | screenshots? |
| 18:11:59 | erikd | screenshots! |
| 18:12:06 | erikd | screenshots++ |
| 18:12:09 | Neo|Work | ya know, there're distinct disadvantages to live with parents but in general there's one great benefit - lack of responsibilities and huge amounts of free time |
| 18:12:12 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: well http://kalldrexx.shacknet.nu/screenshot.png but most of the new art isn't in yet since he volunteered 2 days ago =P |
| 18:12:20 | kergoth | Neo|Work: not to mention the lack of bills |
| 18:12:24 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 18:12:38 | kergoth | i miss having money |
| 18:12:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:12:49 | Neo|Work | I never really had money but... :P |
| 18:12:50 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: so it is kind like stategic assault or different gameplay style? |
| 18:13:10 | TheMasterMind1 | Teax: sup |
| 18:13:17 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: freecraft like |
| 18:13:21 | Teax | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 18:13:28 | TheMasterMind1 | Teax: hows that mplayer thing coming |
| 18:13:39 | TheMasterMind1 | if you write up a frontend (all the qt releated stuff) i can do the rest |
| 18:13:49 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: freecraft, never tried it, kinda like warcraft? |
| 18:13:54 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: yeah |
| 18:14:05 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: well my game will just be humans tho |
| 18:14:11 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 18:15:00 | Onyx4 | ok now im hungry :) bbl |
| 18:15:13 | erikd | wasn't there a qt class that lets you draw right to the screen called QDirectPainter? |
| 18:15:20 | erikd | or did i dream that up |
| 18:15:28 | Teax | TheMasterMind1: i didn't work in that today |
| 18:15:37 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 18:15:38 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 18:15:59 | TheMasterMind1 | http://lists.kde.org/?l=konq-e&m=102822642827398&w=2 <-- konq/e with flash |
| 18:16:51 | Teax | TheMasterMind1: i tried to call mplayer-start then mplayerx but mplayer doesn't get the keyboard input |
| 18:23:46 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: hot dang; somebody needs to ipkg that bad boy up... |
| 18:23:49 | Mantus | anyone know where i can get win98 drivers for a cf card (via pcmcia adapter) |
| 18:26:05 | phpCure | numatrix: what? |
| 18:26:09 | phpCure | what bad boy? |
| 18:26:10 | phpCure | wtf |
| 18:26:15 | phpCure | grr |
| 18:26:28 | numatrix | phpCure: kongqueror with flash. |
| 18:26:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i think there was a snapshot somewhere |
| 18:26:44 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 18:26:57 | numatrix | That's what it looks like; sounds like it's still a little buggy though. |
| 18:27:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll enable flash when i compile it for the oz feed |
| 18:27:03 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:27:07 | TheMasterMind1 | buggy is better than no flash at all |
| 18:27:26 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: might want to do one with and one without for size. |
| 18:27:39 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:28:16 | Mantus | anyone had the problem of not being able to turn the zaurus on after flashing? |
| 18:28:25 | TheMasterMind1 | did you flip the switch? |
| 18:28:49 | TheMasterMind1 | flip switch, flash, press the hard reset button, flip switch, turn on |
| 18:29:30 | Mantus | yea, did all that |
| 18:30:04 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 18:30:06 | TheMasterMind1 | flash it again then |
| 18:31:04 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: regarding the earlier topic of cf/sd installs and symlinks, i think the best approach might be install apps on jffs2 to (say) /opt.rom and mount a small ram fs on /opt and populate it with symlinks to /opt.rom and the approprate cf/sd files |
| 18:31:21 | Mantus | i have never had a succesful flash from CF with 2 different zaurus's (to OZ or the latest from sharp) |
| 18:31:35 | KallDrexx | someone should make a gift client |
| 18:32:13 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3: hmm, maybe, but that still means we need to symlink. the whole point is trying to get around symlinking since its really slow when you are symlinking and unsymlinking whenever some media is inserted |
| 18:32:24 | TheMasterMind1 | especially with the SD |
| 18:33:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: he brings that up because it reduces the # of writes to falsh |
| 18:33:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: (from linking) |
| 18:33:50 | tux_mike | damn |
| 18:34:03 | tux_mike | today has got to be the most boring day |
| 18:34:16 | tux_mike | nothing has gone wrong |
| 18:34:31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i realize that |
| 18:34:43 | tux_mike | well one paper jam, and a bad exchange calendar entry, but they don't count |
| 18:34:46 | TheMasterMind1 | its better than nothing i guess |
| 18:34:52 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: what's slow? creating the symlinks? finding out what symlinks need to be added/removed? |
| 18:35:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i think just reading from the SD is slow |
| 18:35:15 | TheMasterMind1 | that might be the slowing factor.. i'm not sur |
| 18:35:16 | TheMasterMind1 | e |
| 18:35:26 | kergoth | mjn3: the script he's using doesnt check the links. it removes all of them on ejection and adds all of them on insertion |
| 18:35:38 | kergoth | mjn3: given that one doesnt know whether that particular sd card will ever be reinserted to the unit |
| 18:35:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i can make it so it doesn't do binaries libs |
| 18:35:52 | TheMasterMind1 | and symlinks whole dirs if it can |
| 18:36:03 | TheMasterMind1 | that will improve it some |
| 18:36:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: whole dirs will break unless you explicitly handle it when you go to upgrade that package or install another package that puts files in that dir |
| 18:36:13 | TheMasterMind1 | how big would be make the ramfs though |
| 18:36:28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ick, i guess i won't do that then |
| 18:36:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: now if ipkg itself did the linking, it could have the intelligence necessary to do just that |
| 18:36:55 | mjn3 | kergoth: how stable is tmpfs in 2.4.6? |
| 18:37:00 | JasonNJ | anyone listen to Howard Stern? |
| 18:37:14 | TheMasterMind1 | what would be a good size for /opt then? |
| 18:37:18 | numatrix | JasonNJ: not if I can help it. |
| 18:37:18 | kergoth | mjn3: good question. right now we're not using tmpfs at all, we're using ramfs, as I had heard it had a lower footprint |
| 18:37:21 | TheMasterMind1 | we have to make sure it never runs out |
| 18:37:29 | tux_mike | jason: i tend to curse the name |
| 18:37:33 | kergoth | prays for unionfs |
| 18:37:41 | tux_mike | unionfs? |
| 18:37:47 | kergoth | mjn3: have you heard if al viro has made any patches available for it yet? |
| 18:37:48 | JasonNJ | dammit, he had some songs by some christian rock group on today, and I forgot the name |
| 18:37:50 | mjn3 | kergoth: worth building to find out. at least it is dynamic |
| 18:37:59 | kergoth | mjn3: ramfs is dynamic as well |
| 18:38:06 | mjn3 | kergoth: sorry, no idea |
| 18:38:10 | kergoth | mjn3: (which we use for /tmp and /var) |
| 18:38:12 | kergoth | np |
| 18:38:13 | tux_mike | christian rock group? howard stern? does not compute. |
| 18:38:53 | JasonNJ | tux: he was goofing on thm |
| 18:39:07 | numatrix | I wouldn't have guessed that. :-) |
| 18:39:26 | JasonNJ | I have to get some of their music, its hillarious |
| 18:39:29 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: the script you were using... did it look at the *list files as you were talking about earlier, or did it use find? |
| 18:39:37 | JasonNJ | cause they do covers of all old 60-s and 70's songs |
| 18:39:42 | tux_mike | i hate the both of them. christian rock is just wrong. |
| 18:39:45 | JasonNJ | but with re-worded christian lyrics |
| 18:39:53 | tux_mike | and stern ain't much better |
| 18:39:59 | JasonNJ | they did a cover of the Beatles "Love Me Do" |
| 18:40:03 | tux_mike | jason: that's wronger than original ones |
| 18:40:09 | JasonNJ | except it was called "Love the Jews" |
| 18:40:12 | JasonNJ | I almost died laughing |
| 18:40:16 | JasonNJ | I gotta get an MP3 of it |
| 18:40:35 | numatrix | JasonNJ: http://www.koam.com/ looks like it contains summaries. |
| 18:41:09 | tux_mike | jason: was that group supposed to be /serious/? |
| 18:41:15 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 18:41:20 | tux_mike | ... |
| 18:41:46 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3: looks at .list files |
| 18:41:47 | tux_mike | i hope i never hear it, it would cause me to jam a pen in my eye |
| 18:42:18 | JasonNJ | they also did a version of Springsteen's "Born to Run" |
| 18:42:25 | chayim | hi everybody! |
| 18:42:26 | JasonNJ | but with Jesus lyrics |
| 18:42:33 | JasonNJ | I almost died |
| 18:43:00 | tux_mike | ... |
| 18:43:12 | tux_mike | sometimes i wish i was the BOFH |
| 18:43:59 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: hmm. i'll have to run some tests later |
| 18:44:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 18:44:20 | kergoth | continues to pray for unionfs |
| 18:44:28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you think we can setup this /opt ramfs thing? |
| 18:44:31 | tux_mike | kergoth: what is that? |
| 18:44:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: of course |
| 18:44:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i have little faith in unionfs |
| 18:44:45 | TheMasterMind1 | s/can/should/ |
| 18:44:51 | mjn3 | kergoth: i'm almost finished testing the busybox unzip fix. same missing features as the earlier one, but at least it works on various archs. |
| 18:44:57 | kergoth | tux_mike: google it. similar to union mounts. mount multiple paths on the same mountpoint and see and access the files on all of them |
| 18:45:02 | TheMasterMind1 | its the best idea so far |
| 18:45:09 | tux_mike | ah |
| 18:45:10 | kergoth | mjn3: great, thanks |
| 18:46:20 | Mantus | anyone here use the zImage-64 ? |
| 18:46:48 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. bsd has unionfs?! |
| 18:47:17 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 18:47:22 | kergoth | yep, it does |
| 18:47:23 | TheMasterMind1 | lucky bsd |
| 18:47:39 | chayim | TheMasterMind1 : that's b/c bsd has everything. |
| 18:47:43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:47:55 | TheMasterMind1 | time to switch oz to freebsd |
| 18:48:07 | chayim | TheMasterMind1 : I'm there in a flash. |
| 18:48:37 | Mantus | o wow, it turned on |
| 18:48:42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:48:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: can you PLEASE release a new initrd |
| 18:49:03 | TheMasterMind1 | everyone's flashing with the old poc and then they can't upgrade |
| 18:49:06 | chayim | TheMasterMind1 : what about the one you pointed out? |
| 18:49:12 | TheMasterMind1 | what one |
| 18:49:28 | chayim | it may not have been you, but it's OZ 2.9.9.9. I've been running it for a while. |
| 18:49:38 | chayim | TheMasterMind1 : not bad until I pooched my Z upgrading busybox. |
| 18:49:53 | TheMasterMind1 | its 2.9.9 which i have up |
| 18:49:57 | TheMasterMind1 | but most people don't know it exists |
| 18:50:06 | TheMasterMind1 | it should be renamed 2.9.7 and put on sf |
| 18:50:27 | chayim | upgrading buysbox to 0916 killed it though (reflash tonight). |
| 18:50:36 | TheMasterMind1 | upgrading from what? |
| 18:50:39 | TheMasterMind1 | and older initrd? |
| 18:50:43 | Mantus | theres a newer version that the one i JUST downloaded and flashed? |
| 18:50:53 | TheMasterMind1 | Mantus: which did you flash with? |
| 18:51:17 | Mantus | 2.9.5.5 |
| 18:51:21 | TheMasterMind1 | see |
| 18:51:23 | TheMasterMind1 | my point exactly! |
| 18:51:32 | TheMasterMind1 | use tjhsst.edu/~agupta/initrd.bin-2.9.9 |
| 18:52:38 | Mantus | its ok, i forgot to make ipks of hancom apps anyway |
| 18:53:27 | Mantus | does it use the same kernel |
| 18:53:48 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 18:53:58 | TheMasterMind1 | use whichever kernel you want from the sf download page |
| 18:54:51 | Neo|Work | is away: mtgs. blah |
| 18:57:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: have you tested the 2.9.7 initrd from http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/? if not, can you? |
| 18:58:30 | JasonNJ | kergoth: theres a new initrd to play with? |
| 18:58:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I threw it up nearly a week ago, but I've not had the time to test it thoroughly net |
| 18:59:01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: and the oz buildroot is all freaky atm |
| 18:59:06 | kergoth | no timeee |
| 18:59:09 | JasonNJ | should I wait? |
| 19:00:23 | chayim | cd kergoth : if that's the mastmind's image I've been running it for 3 days without issue (except for ugprading busybox which hosed it). |
| 19:00:49 | kergoth | cd chayim; echo its a previous initrd i built, i'm glad its working; |
| 19:00:55 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:01:18 | chayim | kergoth : well it did hose my Z, but I think that was the failed busybox upgrade. |
| 19:01:29 | chayim | kergoth : but other than that it's all good. =) |
| 19:01:32 | kergoth | chayim: is usb networking and sd working? |
| 19:01:37 | kergoth | chayim: i dont remember having a chance to test those |
| 19:01:42 | chayim | kergoth : sd yes, usb I don't use. |
| 19:01:48 | kergoth | gotcha. |
| 19:01:48 | chayim | kergoth : I live on SD. |
| 19:01:56 | kergoth | okay, glad thats working then |
| 19:02:07 | kergoth | if we can confirm usb networking works on it (any volunteers?), i'll release it |
| 19:02:32 | chayim | kergoth : I'll reflash tonight and see if it works (assuming I have time). But try to find another gopher JIC. |
| 19:02:45 | kergoth | hehe. k |
| 19:02:56 | | OK, chayim. |
| 19:02:56 | chayim | ibot, JIC is just in case |
| 19:03:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what's changed in it, when was it compiled? |
| 19:03:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:03:47 | TheMasterMind1 | is it newer than mine? |
| 19:03:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good question. check the timestamp :) |
| 19:04:04 | chayim | TheMasterMind1 : your usb stuff didn't work if I recall. |
| 19:04:34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i don't see it...? |
| 19:04:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i see only initrd 2.4.6 |
| 19:04:48 | TheMasterMind1 | which had pcmcia problems and usdb not working |
| 19:05:02 | TheMasterMind1 | that's why i made myself the 2.9.9 |
| 19:05:05 | kergoth | hrm, wtf did i do with it then |
| 19:05:10 | TheMasterMind1 | s/2.4.6/2.9.6/ |
| 19:05:31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whatever happened with that usb issue.. last i heard nasa said it was working fine |
| 19:05:38 | TheMasterMind1 | does it work after all or not? |
| 19:05:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, latest hotplug works |
| 19:05:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but latest hotplug isnt in either of our initrds |
| 19:05:53 | chayim | kergoth : I'm out but I'll try to fill you in later re: usb. if you already have an answer, just ibot, chayim. |
| 19:06:10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ah, latest.. |
| 19:06:17 | TheMasterMind1 | does the buildroot still work? |
| 19:06:29 | TheMasterMind1 | you want to make a new initrd.bin and release it? |
| 19:06:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: depends are hosed. if you 'make this that this that this that this this this that' it'll build |
| 19:06:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:06:53 | TheMasterMind1 | so nothing works |
| 19:06:57 | TheMasterMind1 | the old buildroot either? |
| 19:07:01 | kergoth | wtf are you talking about? |
| 19:07:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i know the new one is fucked |
| 19:07:06 | kergoth | read what i wrote again, and try to understand |
| 19:07:22 | kergoth | builds are flawless, but it wont automatically build depends |
| 19:07:28 | TheMasterMind1 | right, are you talking about your new perl based buildroot system |
| 19:07:32 | TheMasterMind1 | or the old one with shell script |
| 19:08:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they share a common root makefile |
| 19:08:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | so how come depends are broken? |
| 19:08:51 | TheMasterMind1 | what's causing the problem |
| 19:09:30 | kergoth | if I enable depends it'll force a recompile of everything, every time you run it |
| 19:09:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 19:09:50 | kergoth | because a 'depend' target will never create a 'depend' file to satisfy that that target isnt in need of a rebuild |
| 19:09:57 | kergoth | i'm running into make limitations |
| 19:10:06 | kergoth | I have a solution, but it'll take a bit to implement |
| 19:10:13 | TheMasterMind1 | fun. |
| 19:10:30 | kergoth | for now, build each package one by one, or put a list of what to build in the root makefile |
| 19:12:32 | TheMasterMind1 | too much work |
| 19:12:38 | TheMasterMind1 | did you update all the mk's to the new format? |
| 19:12:51 | kergoth | not all, i still have a few to go |
| 19:12:56 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 19:13:07 | kergoth | I'll commit enough shit today so that we can build an initrd again to release |
| 19:13:19 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 19:16:27 | tux_mike | hey rikkus |
| 19:17:38 | Stegster | Does anyone know what is the best way to connect my Z to the internet via the docking station under Windows XP? |
| 19:20:17 | tux_mike | fire up that crappy ICS and add an appropriate route on the Z |
| 19:21:51 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 27 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: is away: mtgs. blah [Tue Sep 17 19:54:51 2002] |
| 19:21:51 | Cloudchaser | ibot seen Neo|Work |
| 19:22:04 | Cloudchaser | hullo everyone |
| 19:22:07 | tux_mike | fix n.,v. |
| 19:22:07 | tux_mike | What one does when a problem has been reported too many times to be ignored |
| 19:22:14 | tux_mike | :) |
| 19:29:03 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 3 hours, 16 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: Hi ruudi [Tue Sep 17 17:12:33 2002] |
| 19:29:03 | chouimat|tv | ibot seen Sniper |
| 19:34:45 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:39:56) |
| 19:34:51 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: yes? |
| 19:35:22 | Cloudchaser | could i query you? i have a question for you :) |
| 19:35:38 | Wembly | hihihihi? |
| 19:53:22 | KallDrexx | kergoth: ipkg update wants me to put a new fstab in...shoudl i say Y or N? |
| 19:53:28 | KallDrexx | err upgrade |
| 19:55:11 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: do you know? |
| 19:57:11 | kergoth | KallDrexx: do you want mine or do you want to keep yours? |
| 19:57:24 | kergoth | KallDrexx: generally you want whatever is included with the package, unless you have altered it and dont want to lose your changes. |
| 19:57:28 | KallDrexx | kergoth: how much of a difference is there? |
| 19:57:34 | KallDrexx | ok |
| 19:57:37 | KallDrexx | i'lll do the new one then |
| 19:57:39 | kergoth | how am i supposed to know what yours looks like? |
| 19:57:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:57:55 | KallDrexx | kergoth: well mine is the one that cmae with zImage-32 |
| 19:58:01 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:58:02 | KallDrexx | haven't changed it... |
| 19:58:05 | kergoth | a kernel doesnt include a fiel. |
| 19:58:16 | KallDrexx | I haven't touched fstab since i flashed |
| 19:58:36 | mdz | I have been so zaurus-lazy lately |
| 19:58:40 | mdz | I need to get working on it again |
| 19:58:41 | KallDrexx | ok whateveri 'll just keep mine |
| 20:03:44 | diclophis | z0r |
| 20:14:31 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 20:16:20 | tux_mike | Other spoof expansions include `Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping' (from when that was a lot of core), `Eventually malloc()s All Computer Storage', and `EMACS Makes A Computer Slow' |
| 20:20:18 | Stegster | is there somekind of app so i can download the latest (for example slashdot) news to my zaurus? :) |
| 20:20:47 | tux_mike | wget and konqueror |
| 20:20:51 | Harlekin | Stegster: opie-reader |
| 20:21:00 | Harlekin | Stegster: together with plucker |
| 20:21:14 | Harlekin | avantgo substitute |
| 20:21:54 | Stegster | thanks all, i'll have a look :) |
| 20:28:15 | Bovine | hmm, is busybox still broken? |
| 20:28:35 | KallDrexx | heh ipkg remove oz-base takes a while |
| 20:31:15 | Bovine | Upgrading busybox from 20020917-2 to 20020917-2 |
| 20:31:15 | Bovine | Configuring busybox...xsystem: ERROR: Child process died due to signal 4: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/busybox.postinst configure' |
| 20:31:15 | Bovine | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/busybox.postinst configure' failed: Illegal seek. |
| 20:31:15 | Bovine | ERROR: busybox.postinst returned -1 |
| 20:31:16 | Bovine | :/ |
| 20:33:10 | DragonEagle | hey all |
| 20:33:22 | DragonEagle | can the zaurus be flashed with a jffs2 root filesystem? |
| 20:35:06 | mdz | DragonEagle: yes |
| 20:35:24 | DragonEagle | mdz: cool, I'm not finding a howto on that, is there one? |
| 20:36:26 | mdz | DragonEagle: the howto is OpenZaurus :-) |
| 20:37:06 | angry | is away: doing radio show @ high school |
| 20:37:29 | DragonEagle | hmmm how bout that 'upgrading the rom' mabey I should open my gd eyes and read the page :) |
| 20:37:34 | tboc | btw. are there any problems with the symbol wlan card with OZ or does it work out of the box? |
| 20:38:58 | DragonEagle | so I need a 32mn cf card unmodified? |
| 20:41:59 | kergoth | tboc: confirmed to work out of the box. |
| 20:44:00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:44:14 | TheMasterMind1 | what's new |
| 20:44:37 | kergoth | muahah |
| 20:44:37 | kergoth | sweet |
| 20:44:45 | tboc | kergoth: nice |
| 20:44:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'll show you this shit in a second, i got a new configuration method in the oz buildroot |
| 20:44:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cd buildroot-oz; make menuconfig; |
| 20:45:03 | tboc | kergoth: do you know something about the range of the card? |
| 20:45:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: muaha. it uses the kernel config |
| 20:45:13 | fieldl | Does anyone know if the Crucial (Micron) MMC cards are known to work ??? Have tried looking a can't find any info... (They are so much cheaper in the UK) |
| 20:45:46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:46:11 | TheMasterMind1 | is confused |
| 20:46:20 | TheMasterMind1 | first of all, how do i get all the new .mk files? |
| 20:46:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wait up, i'll set this shit up |
| 20:47:02 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:47:12 | TheMasterMind1 | i finally got xchat setup :D |
| 20:47:37 | KallDrexx | xchat rules |
| 20:48:08 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:48:08 | KeyserSoze | uses X-Chat, and likes it. |
| 20:48:23 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 20:48:41 | kergoth | I used to use xchat all th etime, and finally switched to irssi |
| 20:48:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:48:50 | TheMasterMind1 | is there a deb |
| 20:48:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 20:49:00 | kergoth | sudo apt-get install irssi-gtk irssi-text; |
| 20:49:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:49:15 | DragonEagle | ok just to make sure that i'm reading this right, initrd.bin is the jffs2 image? |
| 20:49:23 | kergoth | DragonEagle: yes |
| 20:49:30 | DragonEagle | ok cool, got it |
| 20:49:45 | TheMasterMind1 | is perl in unstable fixed? |
| 20:49:52 | DragonEagle | is seriously thinking of updating to a zaurus and converting his ipaq into a public development machine |
| 20:50:06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:50:18 | DragonEagle | it's got a few features I really like |
| 20:50:31 | DragonEagle | but if it couldn't go jffs2, I didn't want it |
| 20:51:31 | aman | hmm |
| 20:52:08 | aman | very similiar to xchat |
| 20:52:22 | aman | but no nick colors! |
| 20:52:27 | aman | that's no good |
| 20:52:35 | DragonEagle | what I would really like is the zarus hardware running genie |
| 20:53:06 | aman | hmm |
| 20:53:10 | aman | prefers xchat |
| 20:53:16 | TheMasterMind1 | yep, xchat is better |
| 20:53:31 | Starchild | does xchat do logging yet? |
| 20:53:38 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 20:53:50 | aman | hmm |
| 20:54:12 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i switch between channels in irssi-text ? |
| 20:54:53 | aman | bitchx is more colorful |
| 20:55:57 | TheMasterMind1 | waits for kergoth to set shit up |
| 20:56:50 | KeyserSoze | woohoo! /me just ordered a Zaurus! |
| 20:56:56 | TheMasterMind1 | for how much |
| 20:56:58 | TheMasterMind1 | and from where? |
| 20:57:55 | KeyserSoze | $270 |
| 20:57:57 | KeyserSoze | used. |
| 20:58:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 20:58:03 | TheMasterMind1 | with shipping? |
| 20:58:10 | KeyserSoze | 278 with shipping. |
| 20:58:15 | KeyserSoze | is that a good price? |
| 20:58:15 | TheMasterMind1 | 5500 or 5000d ? |
| 20:58:20 | KeyserSoze | 5500! |
| 20:58:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:58:25 | TheMasterMind1 | that's good |
| 20:58:32 | TheMasterMind1 | you can get one for $330 shipped new |
| 20:58:33 | KeyserSoze | he sent me pics, so i know it's a 5500. |
| 20:58:40 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 20:58:46 | TheMasterMind1 | how would a pic tell you its a 5500 |
| 20:58:50 | TheMasterMind1 | they're identical |
| 20:58:53 | KeyserSoze | in the pics, the box and manuals at least are 5500. |
| 20:58:54 | TheMasterMind1 | the internals are different |
| 20:58:57 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 20:58:58 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:59:15 | KeyserSoze | the cheapest i found was $350 shipped, brand new. |
| 20:59:22 | TheMasterMind1 | buy.com |
| 20:59:24 | TheMasterMind1 | cheap stuff |
| 21:00:31 | KeyserSoze | you're right, $333.95. So I got mine for $55 less, not as good a deal as I thought, but not too bad either. |
| 21:00:39 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:00:42 | TheMasterMind1 | pretty decent |
| 21:00:55 | TheMasterMind1 | grrs at his z |
| 21:01:03 | TheMasterMind1 | the silver paint is scraping off |
| 21:01:09 | TheMasterMind1 | around the edges of the screen |
| 21:01:10 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno why |
| 21:01:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its the screen cover thing |
| 21:01:18 | mark | wants a ipaq again |
| 21:01:21 | KeyserSoze | i gotta order a serial cable, extra power cable, NIC, and stylus (it's missing a stylus), so it's good i know about buy.com |
| 21:01:31 | KeyserSoze | ipaq? why? |
| 21:01:57 | mark | KeyserSoze: they're more attractive than the Z, and i can get a foldaway keyboard |
| 21:02:30 | KeyserSoze | will the foldaway KB work without X running? |
| 21:02:42 | KeyserSoze | probably a dumb question... |
| 21:03:02 | KeyserSoze | but that's what I like about the zaurus for linux, it's got a physical KB built in. |
| 21:03:37 | mark | yeh me too but i'm just as quick with grafiti as i am with that |
| 21:03:52 | TheMasterMind1 | how is the ipaq more attractive |
| 21:03:56 | TheMasterMind1 | i think the ipaq looks like shit |
| 21:04:00 | TheMasterMind1 | especially with the stupid sleeves |
| 21:04:29 | KeyserSoze | yeah, but I'm probably gonna use OPIE half the time, and want to use picogui, too (when it's working on OZ), so I'd need the keyboard for when I exit a GUI and need to start another. |
| 21:05:22 | KeyserSoze | is gonna go put an intake manifold on his car. |
| 21:05:33 | KeyserSoze | i'll probably bug you guys in a few hours. |
| 21:05:37 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 21:06:01 | kryhme | hey, i'm about to go on my first wardrive with my Z . .. how do i keep it from suspending? |
| 21:06:19 | mark | TheMasterMind1: matter of opinion, but the sleeves are a pain. dont the top models have built in SD slots? |
| 21:10:09 | rjoseph | kryhme: probably just set the suspend time as high as it can go |
| 21:10:24 | TheMasterMind1 | mark: no idea |
| 21:10:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: set the suspend time to 3600 |
| 21:10:34 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:10:36 | kryhme | that's what i was thinking too, just wanted to see if there was another way, just incase |
| 21:10:41 | TheMasterMind1 | what card do you have? |
| 21:10:54 | kryhme | linksys (prism2) wcf11 |
| 21:11:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 21:11:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hows the range? have you tested it? |
| 21:11:19 | rjoseph | kryhme: i have the linksys wfc12 and it sucks battery big time |
| 21:11:25 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
| 21:11:26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:11:30 | rjoseph | so your wardrive probably wont last very long |
| 21:11:34 | TheMasterMind1 | what battery life do you get rjoseph |
| 21:11:37 | TheMasterMind1 | and what's the range like |
| 21:11:39 | diclophis | get an adapeter for the car |
| 21:11:42 | rjoseph | becaues the wfc12 is a less-powered version of the wfc11 |
| 21:11:55 | kryhme | i just installed kismet, and as soon as i did a bus drove by and it was broadcasting a signal and i caught it... i could catch the bus signal for about a block from inside my house |
| 21:12:00 | rjoseph | TheMasterMind1: i haven't done good tests on bat life, so i couldn't tell ya |
| 21:12:04 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:12:11 | diclophis | iether 12v dc > ac or a same rating dc adapter |
| 21:12:22 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? a bus with an 802.11 signal? |
| 21:12:24 | rjoseph | kryhme: why was the bus broadcasting?! |
| 21:12:29 | kryhme | i wasn't sure whether to get the 12 or 11, but the 11 was on the kismet list so i got it |
| 21:12:39 | rjoseph | diclophis: is there a place online that sells Z car adapters? |
| 21:12:54 | kryhme | i think they all link to a central network so the company knows where the busses are |
| 21:12:55 | rjoseph | kryhme: they're the same exact card, yours is just larger (more range) |
| 21:12:57 | diclophis | rjoseph what is the voltage rating on the Z adapter |
| 21:13:05 | rjoseph | diclophis: i have no clue |
| 21:13:25 | kryhme | rjoseph, what do you mean by car adapter... do you mean antenna? |
| 21:13:31 | Stegster | i want solar power for my zaurus :D |
| 21:13:33 | rjoseph | kryhme: no, i mean power adapter |
| 21:13:41 | rjoseph | kryhme: although an atenna would be pretty sick |
| 21:13:53 | kryhme | oh, you can buy a power inverter from a lot of places |
| 21:14:00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:14:00 | kryhme | those go in the cigarette outlet |
| 21:14:03 | kryhme | and give you plugs |
| 21:14:07 | TheMasterMind1 | i wish i could increase range on my socket low power |
| 21:14:12 | TheMasterMind1 | or attach an antenna to it |
| 21:14:17 | rjoseph | kryhme: yeah, but i dont think it has the right socket |
| 21:14:22 | rjoseph | for the z |
| 21:14:30 | Stegster | what's usually the range of a wifi card? |
| 21:14:36 | TheMasterMind1 | depends on what card it is |
| 21:14:37 | rjoseph | Stegster: depends on the card |
| 21:14:48 | TheMasterMind1 | without an antenna, maybe 300 feet? |
| 21:14:56 | rjoseph | Stegster: the Linksys WFC11 i beileve has a range of about 1500 ft at 1 mbps |
| 21:14:56 | TheMasterMind1 | depending on conditions and all |
| 21:15:06 | rjoseph | yeah, and about 300 ft at full 11 mbps |
| 21:15:09 | Stegster | hmm, interesting |
| 21:15:11 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, more range = less bandwidth |
| 21:15:12 | kryhme | rjoseph: you plug the inverter into the cigarette outlet ... and then you plug the zaurus power cable into the inverter and the other end into the zaurus |
| 21:15:21 | TheMasterMind1 | so you can go pretty far and still have 1mbps or so |
| 21:15:21 | Stegster | 1 mbps will do |
| 21:15:33 | rjoseph | kryhme: oh, so it just has a regular plug like a wall socket?! |
| 21:15:35 | TheMasterMind1 | how much do inverters cost? |
| 21:15:41 | diclophis | i think they are pricy |
| 21:15:45 | rjoseph | seriously? |
| 21:15:47 | Stegster | which card is the best? |
| 21:15:47 | kryhme | i'm guessing like $20 |
| 21:15:50 | TheMasterMind1 | inverter = plug like wall socket |
| 21:15:51 | diclophis | but the z runs on dc... |
| 21:15:52 | kryhme | but i'm not sure |
| 21:15:55 | TheMasterMind1 | and they're very expensive |
| 21:15:59 | TheMasterMind1 | nah, more than $20 |
| 21:16:02 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe $50 |
| 21:16:06 | rjoseph | that's not that bad |
| 21:16:08 | TheMasterMind1 | or you can get one of those other plugs |
| 21:16:11 | diclophis | so you would just need something to change the 12v dc to whatever the z runs on |
| 21:16:13 | TheMasterMind1 | that will give you 5V directly |
| 21:16:15 | rjoseph | id buy one to get Z power in my car |
| 21:16:24 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a few that come with multiple plugs and a voltage setting |
| 21:16:31 | TheMasterMind1 | so you just set it and plug it into the Z |
| 21:16:34 | kryhme | the zaurus has an AC adapter on the power cord |
| 21:16:36 | TheMasterMind1 | those are cheaper, like $15 |
| 21:16:58 | rjoseph | TheMasterMind1: what are? |
| 21:17:17 | TheMasterMind1 | the car adapters that give you specific voltages.. or the ones that let you select a voltage |
| 21:17:19 | TheMasterMind1 | those are cheaper |
| 21:17:39 | TheMasterMind1 | inverters take the car voltage, make it AC and give you a wall style plug |
| 21:17:43 | TheMasterMind1 | those are expensive |
| 21:17:52 | kryhme | but if you don't know the voltages, you might mess up your equipment |
| 21:17:56 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:18:01 | TheMasterMind1 | just look in the manual |
| 21:18:02 | diclophis | http://www.mobiledesk.com/powerprice.htm cheapest one is 80 bux |
| 21:18:02 | rjoseph | yeah, that's why i just want an inverter |
| 21:18:09 | rjoseph | i don't want to fuck anything up |
| 21:18:09 | TheMasterMind1 | yea see |
| 21:18:12 | TheMasterMind1 | 80 bucks |
| 21:18:14 | TheMasterMind1 | for an inverter |
| 21:18:19 | rjoseph | damn |
| 21:18:19 | TheMasterMind1 | very expensive devices |
| 21:18:21 | diclophis | but also very handy for other purposes |
| 21:18:22 | kryhme | yeah, inverters would be a good thing to have for a lot of other things too |
| 21:18:28 | kryhme | exactly |
| 21:18:35 | rjoseph | yeah, cus you wouldn't need a car adapter for ANYTHING, would you?! |
| 21:18:35 | TheMasterMind1 | so you're better off getting the $15 one |
| 21:18:45 | kryhme | nope |
| 21:18:47 | diclophis | all you need is a resistor and you can run straight off the car battery |
| 21:18:56 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:19:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm taking electronics this semester.. |
| 21:19:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 21:19:04 | diclophis | p=vr |
| 21:19:08 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:19:09 | diclophis | iirc |
| 21:19:13 | rjoseph | the inverter would be great - i coudl run all my stuff in the car from it |
| 21:19:13 | TheMasterMind1 | v=ir too |
| 21:19:15 | kryhme | when i was in high school my parents had one in our van and we had a tv and nintendo running off it |
| 21:19:27 | diclophis | yea i think v=ir is more applicable |
| 21:19:31 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 21:19:38 | TheMasterMind1 | how much voltage does the car output? |
| 21:19:40 | diclophis | 12v |
| 21:19:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i need an amp meter too |
| 21:19:50 | diclophis | i think the amps are very high though |
| 21:19:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:19:57 | TheMasterMind1 | don't want too much current |
| 21:20:06 | rjoseph | how much wattage would i need? |
| 21:20:09 | rjoseph | for the car stuff? |
| 21:20:13 | kryhme | just make sure the car is running, otherwise you'll drain your battery |
| 21:20:26 | diclophis | yea after like 2 days worth of runjnin a z ;) |
| 21:20:57 | rjoseph | what about these: http://power-inverter.net/ |
| 21:21:15 | diclophis | that would work |
| 21:21:20 | rjoseph | they have a 300 watt for 40 bucks!!! |
| 21:21:44 | kryhme | not bad |
| 21:21:52 | diclophis | http://www.boatdealers.com/mall/index.cgi?store_id=100&prod_id=1455&cart_id=369799799¤t_category=power%20inverter 26 bucks |
| 21:21:58 | diclophis | 150 watts is more that plenty |
| 21:22:08 | rjoseph | diclophis: you think that'd work? |
| 21:22:12 | diclophis | sure |
| 21:22:37 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:22:37 | TheMasterMind1 | not bad |
| 21:22:42 | rjoseph | diclophis: even if i want to run my laptop, Z and cell phone at the same time? :) |
| 21:22:56 | kryhme | if you've got enough plugs in the inverter |
| 21:23:07 | diclophis | well |
| 21:23:11 | diclophis | now your asking for more wattage |
| 21:23:27 | TheMasterMind1 | p = watts right? |
| 21:23:32 | TheMasterMind1 | power |
| 21:23:33 | kryhme | i've ran a nintendo, vcr, and 13 inch television at the same time |
| 21:23:33 | diclophis | see what the power rating is on your laptop cell phone and z add up the watts |
| 21:23:35 | diclophis | yea |
| 21:23:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:23:48 | TheMasterMind1 | this 26$ is nice |
| 21:23:53 | TheMasterMind1 | its for boats though |
| 21:23:53 | rjoseph | diclophis: how would i find out what the rating is on them? |
| 21:23:54 | diclophis | yea.. its not too shabby |
| 21:23:55 | kryhme | power is measured in watts and amps |
| 21:23:58 | TheMasterMind1 | you think that'll make a difference |
| 21:24:02 | rjoseph | TheMasterMind1: yeah, but it's the same adapter |
| 21:24:06 | diclophis | i am a bit worrid about its 'low voltage cutoff' though |
| 21:24:19 | rjoseph | diclophis: why's that? |
| 21:24:24 | TheMasterMind1 | Even when running at full power, you can expect 3 to 5 hours of running time from your vehicle's battery before recharging is necessary. In most cases, you will enjoy much longer running times. |
| 21:24:25 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:24:28 | TheMasterMind1 | kill your car battery |
| 21:24:32 | TheMasterMind1 | how much do those cost? |
| 21:24:36 | diclophis | well it could be a power saving feature... if voialtge requireds is less that 10 shut off inverter |
| 21:24:44 | diclophis | the z requires 5 volts |
| 21:24:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:24:48 | TheMasterMind1 | that's no good |
| 21:24:51 | diclophis | yea... |
| 21:24:56 | diclophis | but it copuld be a switch on the device |
| 21:24:56 | rjoseph | diclophis: my laptop takes 16 volts i believe |
| 21:25:03 | rjoseph | diclophis: how do i convert that to wattage? |
| 21:25:15 | diclophis | rjoseph look at the back of the device i think the fda mandates it has power ratings |
| 21:25:25 | diclophis | there should be either a watt rating or volts and resistance |
| 21:25:33 | TheMasterMind1 | does this stuff kill the car battery? |
| 21:25:36 | TheMasterMind1 | or wear it down |
| 21:25:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 21:25:37 | diclophis | if its v & r p = vr |
| 21:25:44 | diclophis | well.. over time it will |
| 21:25:48 | rjoseph | diclophis: is has volts (16) and resistence (3.6 A) |
| 21:25:49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:26:04 | KallDrexx | kergoth: ACK! ipkg upgrade now opie won't suspedn |
| 21:26:06 | diclophis | rjoseph mulitply those at thats the wattage |
| 21:26:09 | TheMasterMind1 | resistance is not in amps! |
| 21:26:11 | rjoseph | diclophis: |
| 21:26:15 | diclophis | er... |
| 21:26:15 | TheMasterMind1 | !! |
| 21:26:20 | rjoseph | er... :) |
| 21:26:24 | TheMasterMind1 | current = amps |
| 21:26:25 | diclophis | v=ir |
| 21:26:27 | TheMasterMind1 | v = ir |
| 21:26:28 | diclophis | i = current |
| 21:26:28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:26:30 | rjoseph | shit, well, there is something on here that is amps |
| 21:26:46 | diclophis | 16v = 3.6A * i |
| 21:26:47 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: any idea why ipkg upgrade now makes suspend go in and out of suspend immediatly? |
| 21:26:54 | TheMasterMind1 | 16/3.6 * 16 = power |
| 21:27:00 | diclophis | yea what TheMasterMind1 say |
| 21:27:12 | rjoseph | well then, i have a feeling 150 watts should be fine |
| 21:27:24 | TheMasterMind1 | how much is that? |
| 21:27:29 | nishi | hi folks ! |
| 21:27:41 | rjoseph | TheMasterMind1: that's the 26 dollar one, i think |
| 21:27:46 | diclophis | 71 watts for the laptio |
| 21:27:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:27:55 | nishi | i have a question with trying to dial using irda-ppp |
| 21:28:07 | TheMasterMind1 | 71 + how much for zaurus and chellphone? |
| 21:28:07 | TheMasterMind1 | cell |
| 21:28:09 | rjoseph | diclophis: yeah, that's what i got |
| 21:28:14 | nishi | i read the document on the insomnic page |
| 21:28:26 | rjoseph | TheMasterMind1: well, i don't know what the Z takes in watts, but i know it's not much |
| 21:28:26 | TheMasterMind1 | the 10 volt minimum is crap though |
| 21:28:34 | rjoseph | TheMasterMind1: and my celly is low too |
| 21:28:41 | rjoseph | TheMasterMind1: 10 volt minimum on what? |
| 21:29:28 | KallDrexx | oh great |
| 21:29:35 | KallDrexx | ipkg upgrade totally killed my zaurus |
| 21:29:37 | KallDrexx | now i have to reflash |
| 21:29:38 | KallDrexx | god damnit |
| 21:29:46 | nishi | in there it states in step 5, that I should issue a command "pppd call DialupPPP1006478274" |
| 21:29:54 | diclophis | rjoseph check out the specs http://www.boatdealers.com/mall/index.cgi?store_id=100&prod_id=1455&cart_id=369799799¤t_category=power%20inverter |
| 21:30:07 | diclophis | says it has a 10 volt cutoff.. but it might be able to turn that off |
| 21:30:08 | nishi | upto step 4 everything went ok and my zaurus detected my nokia 3360 |
| 21:30:21 | TheMasterMind1 | the z's ac adapater is 5v |
| 21:30:27 | rjoseph | diclophis: what does the 10 volt cutoff mean/ |
| 21:30:28 | rjoseph | ? |
| 21:30:30 | TheMasterMind1 | 6.2W with ac adapter |
| 21:30:35 | nishi | but whats with the DialupPPP1006478274 ? what is that ? i don't have a file of that name or anything ? |
| 21:30:36 | rjoseph | diclophis: that you can't use anything under that? |
| 21:30:50 | diclophis | rjoseph IMHO it means if the load on the device is less than 10 volts it will shutoff |
| 21:30:53 | rjoseph | nishi: what are you reading from?? |
| 21:30:53 | TheMasterMind1 | only 6.2W |
| 21:31:12 | rjoseph | diclophis: so basically, i wouldn't be able to use it with only my Z connected :( |
| 21:31:14 | nishi | from www.insomniq.com/files/zaurus/IrDA-HOWTO.html |
| 21:32:08 | TheMasterMind1 | my laptop is 19V 2.64A |
| 21:32:14 | nishi | what are the parameters to pppd ? like pppd call <xyz> ... what is <xyz> ? |
| 21:32:24 | diclophis | ohoh good news |
| 21:32:28 | rjoseph | diclophis: ?? |
| 21:32:30 | diclophis | it is if the car battery is less that 10 volts |
| 21:32:33 | diclophis | it shuts off the inverter |
| 21:32:35 | Mantus | anyone know where i can quickly download the entire opie feed? |
| 21:32:39 | diclophis | so it doesnt kill your car battery |
| 21:32:39 | TheMasterMind1 | p=vr v=ir p= 19/2.64 * 19 |
| 21:32:41 | rjoseph | diclophis: oh, shit!! that's REALLY good news!! |
| 21:32:47 | diclophis | http://www.xantrex.com/Products/Inverters/Jazz/jazz150features.html#automatic |
| 21:32:56 | diclophis | is the newly named manufactureer of the device |
| 21:33:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ick! |
| 21:33:02 | TheMasterMind1 | my laptop takes 136W ! |
| 21:33:05 | diclophis | gah |
| 21:33:08 | diclophis | how old is it |
| 21:33:08 | TheMasterMind1 | 137W actually |
| 21:33:10 | TheMasterMind1 | old |
| 21:33:13 | TheMasterMind1 | 3-4 years |
| 21:33:14 | rjoseph | diclophis: is this the same one we're looking at? |
| 21:33:25 | diclophis | rjoseph well its the base 150 watt 'consumer' model |
| 21:33:25 | Lone | Anyone ever have problems kismet_curses not taking keyboard input? |
| 21:33:31 | Mantus | the P4 laptops take 80 or so |
| 21:33:35 | diclophis | statpower.com links to that site |
| 21:33:36 | TheMasterMind1 | 137 is bad! |
| 21:33:37 | TheMasterMind1 | bleh |
| 21:33:46 | diclophis | so it probably has a new case but the electronics are the same |
| 21:33:48 | Mantus | and i thought those were bad |
| 21:33:49 | rjoseph | diclophis: so is the one on iBoats.com or whatever a good one though? |
| 21:33:53 | nishi | is erasing the Sharp ROM and putting in OZ safe ? If something goes wrong, is it easy to get back the sharp rom onto flash ? or would my zaurus be another paper weight ? |
| 21:33:53 | TheMasterMind1 | that means more wear on the car battery right? |
| 21:34:04 | diclophis | rjoseph well if it gives you 5v dc its a good one |
| 21:34:05 | diclophis | so yea |
| 21:34:10 | Lone | nishi: I've been there and back, no problems. |
| 21:34:32 | nishi | great ! ... no answers to my ques abt zaurus and ppp dial up yet :( |
| 21:34:32 | Mantus | nishi: if you have a USB CF reader fixing any problems is easy |
| 21:34:39 | diclophis | I would imagine its 'effeicency' is crap meaning the amount of juice it sucks from your car battery to make the power for the z is really high ratio |
| 21:34:39 | nishi | ok ... |
| 21:34:56 | diclophis | a more expenisve inverter might have a higher effeciency rating |
| 21:34:59 | Lone | Can anyone lend a hand with Kismet? |
| 21:35:06 | diclophis | and a higher wattage rating |
| 21:35:13 | rjoseph | diclophis: yeah, but 26 bucks is pretty good :) |
| 21:35:17 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:35:18 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 21:35:26 | diclophis | go for it |
| 21:35:28 | rjoseph | diclophis: they have that 300W one on there for like 50, but i wont need all of that power |
| 21:35:32 | TheMasterMind1 | smart friend says "thats the MAXIMUM rating of the power supply" |
| 21:35:37 | diclophis | if it blows up your z let us all now soi we dont get it ;) |
| 21:35:38 | rjoseph | diclophis: i plan on it - thanks a TON for helping me out |
| 21:35:45 | rjoseph | diclophis: lol, will do |
| 21:35:56 | TheMasterMind1 | the only way to know is to use a DMM and measure current and voltage |
| 21:36:08 | diclophis | yea |
| 21:36:42 | rjoseph | TheMasterMind1: or, just buy one and see if the damn thing works or not (that's my idea, anyway :)) |
| 21:36:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hey guys |
| 21:37:05 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a 10A fuse in the cigarette lighter |
| 21:37:12 | diclophis | interesting |
| 21:37:16 | TheMasterMind1 | and car's voltage is 13.8v |
| 21:37:23 | burtonator | is away: coffee time |
| 21:37:24 | diclophis | right? |
| 21:37:25 | TheMasterMind1 | so about 138W |
| 21:37:26 | TheMasterMind1 | is max |
| 21:37:28 | diclophis | yea |
| 21:37:41 | TheMasterMind1 | but less than that cuz of heat etc |
| 21:37:43 | rjoseph | TheMasterMind1: so car adapters can only put out 138w max? |
| 21:37:45 | TheMasterMind1 | its not 100% efficient |
| 21:37:45 | diclophis | its all 'rms' |
| 21:38:29 | diclophis | if its a big prob just pop a 20A fuse in your ciggeret lighter slot... |
| 21:38:41 | diclophis | just remember you put it in there htough |
| 21:38:44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:38:58 | diclophis | fuses are for pussy anyhow ;) |
| 21:39:10 | Stegster | how do i clear the files in the documents tab? |
| 21:39:12 | rjoseph | diclophis: i actually have two power adapters in my car made for electronics - not the cig lighter ones |
| 21:39:12 | kryhme | haha |
| 21:39:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:39:23 | TheMasterMind1 | 30 minutes 150 W |
| 21:39:25 | rjoseph | diclophis: i thinhk they might have higher output than cig lighters |
| 21:39:42 | rjoseph | Stegster: just delete everyting in /home/root/Documents ? |
| 21:39:48 | rjoseph | Stegster: works for me :) |
| 21:40:03 | Stegster | ok, thanks :) |
| 21:40:12 | rjoseph | np |
| 21:43:10 | diclophis | man... UT2003 runs like crap on my comp at work |
| 21:43:23 | diclophis | i guess it really needs a nvidia card eh |
| 21:43:38 | kryhme | that would help |
| 21:43:54 | kryhme | i'm still behind on my card too |
| 21:44:00 | kryhme | and i just d/l some kick ass games |
| 21:44:23 | diclophis | ack gotta run... that thunder isnt coming from the cliffs |
| 21:48:04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:48:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i think p=vr is wrong |
| 21:48:44 | kryhme | v = ir |
| 21:49:02 | kryhme | i think you're right |
| 21:49:05 | whardier | hi |
| 21:49:09 | kryhme | hi |
| 21:49:17 | whardier | commits kryhme |
| 21:49:34 | kryhme | has been comitted |
| 21:49:39 | whardier | woot |
| 21:50:40 | TheMasterMind1 | p=vi |
| 21:50:43 | TheMasterMind1 | and v=ir |
| 21:55:12 | fusion94 | is away: causing death, mayhem and destruction, ok just watching Monsters Inc. |
| 21:56:25 | whardier | I just put my Z in the bathtub |
| 21:56:30 | whardier | and let it sink |
| 21:58:21 | kryhme | oh yeah |
| 21:59:31 | TheMasterMind1 | oops? |
| 22:00:13 | whardier | heh |
| 22:00:14 | whardier | no |
| 22:00:17 | whardier | testing some wifi stuff |
| 22:00:25 | whardier | it was sealed in a ziplock |
| 22:00:34 | kryhme | i hope you double bagged it |
| 22:00:39 | whardier | of course not |
| 22:00:43 | kryhme | hah |
| 22:00:43 | whardier | I trust my ziplocks |
| 22:00:46 | rjoseph | whardier: why did you have to immerse it in water to test wifi stuff? |
| 22:01:03 | whardier | testing something needed to test something else :) |
| 22:01:07 | kryhme | yeah, i wouldn't trust myself to seal it completley properly |
| 22:01:15 | rjoseph | whardier: 'eh?!?? |
| 22:01:20 | whardier | kryhme: well I vacuum sealed it |
| 22:01:26 | whardier | I would know of it were leaking |
| 22:01:30 | kryhme | ah |
| 22:02:07 | whardier | rjoseph: hehe.. classified information |
| 22:02:14 | whardier | do you want to make the us government unstable? |
| 22:02:28 | kryhme | was it ever stable? |
| 22:02:32 | whardier | heh |
| 22:02:33 | rjoseph | whardier: you work for the gov't and your job involves dropping wireless pdas in the bathtub? |
| 22:02:44 | kryhme | i wish that was my job |
| 22:02:51 | rjoseph | whardier: i knew my tax dollars were going to something usefull ;) |
| 22:03:08 | whardier | heh |
| 22:03:22 | rjoseph | whardier: who do you work for? |
| 22:03:28 | whardier | myself :) |
| 22:03:36 | rjoseph | is thourghly confused |
| 22:03:36 | whardier | cannot be so easily interrogated |
| 22:03:42 | kryhme | so what was that, you were talking about the govt and stability |
| 22:03:44 | rjoseph | i'm not interogating! |
| 22:03:46 | rjoseph | ack! |
| 22:03:51 | rjoseph | just asking a couple questions... |
| 22:03:52 | whardier | ;P |
| 22:03:53 | kryhme | well whardialer, you're bringing it all up |
| 22:03:56 | rjoseph | seriously |
| 22:04:17 | kryhme | it's like eating one pringle |
| 22:04:19 | whardier | rjoseph: I heard the same thing last time I was in the hands of a foreign madman!! |
| 22:04:29 | rjoseph | kryhme: i think it's like eating on Lays :) |
| 22:04:34 | kryhme | yeah |
| 22:04:37 | kryhme | some chip |
| 22:04:40 | rjoseph | whardier: i think you're the madman :) |
| 22:04:42 | rjoseph | kryhme: lmao |
| 22:04:58 | KallDrexx | anyone know where prboom keeps saved games? |
| 22:05:06 | whardier | find |
| 22:05:13 | whardier | grep |
| 22:05:28 | kryhme | check the config files |
| 22:06:00 | whardier | rjoseph: going to test some underwater stuff.. trying to find a way to do 100% submersion without any strings attached.. 2.4ghz was obviosly not a solution |
| 22:06:02 | whardier | :) |
| 22:06:09 | nishi | whois Jrz ? |
| 22:06:16 | whardier | famous rappa |
| 22:06:21 | rjoseph | whardier: oh, i get it - very very cool - why does 2.4 ghz not work under water |
| 22:06:21 | rjoseph | ? |
| 22:06:31 | nishi | :)) |
| 22:06:39 | whardier | rjoseph too high of frequency |
| 22:06:51 | rjoseph | whardier: no shit? interesting |
| 22:07:13 | rjoseph | suddenly has the urge to drop his Z in the water :) |
| 22:07:59 | whardier | starts in on test #2 |
| 22:08:23 | rjoseph | whardier: what is test #2? |
| 22:08:48 | whardier | directional antennas under water |
| 22:09:14 | kryhme | so what are you gonna use this info to do in the future |
| 22:09:30 | whardier | other tests :) |
| 22:09:50 | whardier | who are all you people? |
| 22:10:31 | kryhme | i'm a college student / system administrator .... got a Z and a jeep and some fly bitches |
| 22:10:37 | whardier | hmm |
| 22:10:40 | whardier | need the fly bitches? |
| 22:10:43 | whardier | I could use a few |
| 22:10:46 | kryhme | doesn't everyone |
| 22:11:10 | kryhme | actually i just have my girl ... but she's cool |
| 22:11:42 | whardier | heh |
| 22:11:57 | whardier | talkin bout my girl |
| 22:11:59 | whardier | MY GIRl |
| 22:12:00 | whardier | MA GIRL |
| 22:12:04 | KallDrexx | um |
| 22:12:09 | KallDrexx | busybox killed the terminal |
| 22:12:15 | whardier | it does that some times |
| 22:15:07 | whardier | hmm |
| 22:15:08 | whardier | no worky |
| 22:16:10 | cranch | does anyone know if there is a qtopia desktop 1.6 in source rather than RPM? |
| 22:16:12 | KallDrexx | i'm now getting illegal operation wtih every command i try to use |
| 22:16:42 | ibz | quick question... |
| 22:16:53 | kryhme | they don't release their source like that |
| 22:16:58 | ibz | how long is a backup to SD supposed to take? |
| 22:17:01 | kryhme | you gotta pay for it |
| 22:17:05 | burtonator | cranch: qtesktop is proptietary software |
| 22:17:10 | rjoseph | cranch: i wish - i use slackware, and i have to use alien to convert from RPM to use the software |
| 22:17:10 | burtonator | so no... |
| 22:17:19 | cranch | I know burtonator :P |
| 22:17:21 | rjoseph | ibz: SD cards are slow |
| 22:17:25 | rjoseph | ibz: so a while :) |
| 22:17:29 | W|GGL|T | should take less than a minute |
| 22:17:33 | burtonator | cranch: so don't use it! ;) |
| 22:17:39 | cranch | cause I'm running gentoo and a rpm doesn't do me much good :P |
| 22:17:42 | W|GGL|T | prolly depends on how much info you're backing up |
| 22:17:50 | rjoseph | cranch: use alien |
| 22:18:01 | ibz | rjoseph: yah, i know this, but i have just tried to start a backup and it has been stuck on 2% for ages... |
| 22:18:01 | W|GGL|T | rpm doesn't do much good with lots of distros |
| 22:18:32 | W|GGL|T | can you ssh into it...and kill the process that's hanging it? |
| 22:18:32 | rjoseph | ibz: don' tknow what to tell ya bro |
| 22:18:53 | cranch | no ebuild for alien :( |
| 22:19:07 | KallDrexx | great and my zuarus wont' reboot |
| 22:19:13 | rjoseph | cranch: so download the source |
| 22:19:15 | KallDrexx | that's 2 ipkg upgrades in a row that have broken my Z |
| 22:19:17 | cranch | hehe I know :) |
| 22:19:22 | cranch | I'm just spoiled :P |
| 22:19:34 | cranch | you run 1.6 rjoseph? |
| 22:19:35 | W|GGL|T | either that, or just dualboot a REAL distro :oP |
| 22:19:42 | rjoseph | cranch: 1.6 qdesktop? |
| 22:19:46 | cranch | yeah |
| 22:19:57 | rjoseph | cranch: i dont use it anymore |
| 22:20:04 | rjoseph | cranch: i just use ftp/scp |
| 22:20:07 | cranch | :) |
| 22:20:11 | cranch | I'll probably do the same |
| 22:20:12 | W|GGL|T | there's rpm2tgz and rpm2tar |
| 22:20:23 | rjoseph | cranch: yeah, no point to use qdesktop |
| 22:20:36 | KallDrexx | wtf |
| 22:20:45 | cranch | how are you keeping your contacts and appointments in your Z though... |
| 22:20:49 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: why is every ipkg upgrade killing oz |
| 22:20:51 | cranch | you aren't "syncing" them to your pc? |
| 22:21:01 | W|GGL|T | KallDrexx: didn't you just get your Z? |
| 22:21:07 | rjoseph | cranch: lol, no - i don't use my Z as a "PDA" i use it as a "Handheld computer" |
| 22:21:11 | W|GGL|T | breaking it already? :o) |
| 22:21:12 | cranch | KallDrexx: I had that problem with upgrading... |
| 22:21:12 | KallDrexx | W|GGL|T: i've had it for a few weeks why? |
| 22:21:24 | KallDrexx | cranch: good i'm not the only one... time to reflash again |
| 22:21:25 | rjoseph | cranch: i have all my contacts in my cell phone, and i have no schedule or appt - i'm a lazy ass :) |
| 22:21:28 | W|GGL|T | oh...i must have you confused with someone else then |
| 22:21:36 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 22:23:40 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx: killing howso? |
| 22:24:31 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: doesn't reboot (just stalls when you pres the reboot button) not much works and when you force a reboot (the back slider) it starts booting then says nothing left to do in this runlevel and jsut stops |
| 22:25:07 | rjoseph | KallDrexx: have you tried dropping to console to see what's going on? |
| 22:25:41 | KallDrexx | rjoseph: well upgrading busybox seemed to kill all commands excetp rebootk which didnt' do jack but sya it was going to reboot (which after 5 min never did) |
| 22:25:48 | KallDrexx | kept giving illegal command |
| 22:26:00 | rjoseph | KallDrexx: oh shit, that is defintley not good |
| 22:26:08 | rjoseph | KallDrexx: sounds like a hard reboot is all you have left |
| 22:26:28 | KallDrexx | rjoseph: but then it doesn't boot up again ;) |
| 22:26:46 | rjoseph | KallDrexx: why not? full reset should give you back what you had before |
| 22:26:49 | KallDrexx | rjoseph: had to reflash for hte 2nd time in 30 min because of it |
| 22:26:57 | rjoseph | KallDrexx: oh wierd.... |
| 22:27:12 | KallDrexx | rjoseph: hmm actually i flashed. didn't try just full reset tho i dunno how much that would have hleped wiht oz rom |
| 22:27:57 | | upgrade updates the HP49's ROM. URL: http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49/pc/rom/hp49fl02.tgz |
| 22:27:57 | cranch | ibot: upgrade |
| 22:28:02 | cranch | hmmm |
| 22:28:08 | cranch | what the hell was that again... |
| 22:28:24 | cranch | someone made destructions on how to upgrade your shit |
| 22:28:25 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 22:32:00 | KallDrexx | ... |
| 22:32:09 | nishi | hello beautiful people |
| 22:32:11 | KallDrexx | I think opie froze during the calibrate... |
| 22:32:45 | nishi | can someone help me with IrDA-PPP ? |
| 22:33:13 | nishi | I am referring to the doc by Jrz of this # www.insomniq.com/files/zaurus/IrDA-HOWTO.html |
| 22:34:39 | nishi | i can reach upto step 4 ... and the Zaurus can see my Nokia 3360 (Server provider AT&T) |
| 22:35:27 | rjoseph | nishi: i believe it only works with GSM phones, and AT&T is CDMA i believe |
| 22:35:35 | nishi | ahaa ! |
| 22:35:47 | nishi | hmmm there goes |
| 22:36:12 | rjoseph | nishi: i have a 3360 AT&T and it doesn't work for me |
| 22:36:19 | nishi | one question though .... abt the argument for the pppd call command |
| 22:36:40 | nishi | Step 5 in the doc lists : issue the command "pppd call DialupPPPxxxxxxxx |
| 22:36:41 | nishi | |
| 22:36:43 | nishi | " |
| 22:36:51 | rjoseph | nishi: i dont know anything about pppd |
| 22:36:58 | nishi | what on earth is DialupPPPxxxxxxx ? |
| 22:37:03 | nishi | Is it some file on the Z |
| 22:42:20 | KallDrexx | ok after reflashing ipkg still sees the games and such i installed to my CF, without reinstalling is there a way to put hte symlinksback up automatically on the z? |
| 22:42:23 | ibz | nishi: i think the argument to "pppd call" is the name of the options file to read in /etc/ppp/peers/ |
| 22:43:00 | ibz | nishi: therefore "pppd call adsl" would read /etc/ppp/peers/adsl options file. man pppd. |
| 22:44:05 | nishi | great ! cool I will try that tonite ... not too much hope though since its an AT&T network (CDMA) |
| 22:44:29 | nishi | thx ibz |
| 22:44:42 | ibz | np |
| 22:45:10 | angry | is back (gone 02:08:04) |
| 22:47:50 | Speedy2 | re |
| 22:50:44 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx: yes, there's a re-symlinker script |
| 22:56:13 | cranch | is there a version of Konqueror that works with the new OZ stuff? |
| 22:56:19 | cranch | it appears to still be broken for me |
| 22:56:22 | TheMasterMind1 | works for me |
| 22:56:28 | TheMasterMind1 | define "new" oz |
| 22:56:28 | cranch | hmmm... |
| 22:56:33 | TheMasterMind1 | way too many OZ versions out |
| 22:56:35 | cranch | well...kergoth's 2.9.6 |
| 22:57:06 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 22:57:07 | TheMasterMind1 | why'd you use that one |
| 22:57:11 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't let you use CF |
| 22:57:15 | cranch | ? |
| 22:57:18 | cranch | to install stuff on? |
| 22:57:25 | TheMasterMind1 | cf's don't work in 2.9.6 |
| 22:57:25 | cranch | cause I can use my cf and Wireless CF cards |
| 22:57:28 | TheMasterMind1 | no, they just don't work at all |
| 22:57:38 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 22:57:44 | TheMasterMind1 | storage cf's don't mount |
| 22:57:48 | cranch | ? |
| 22:57:48 | TheMasterMind1 | wireless is fine |
| 22:57:53 | cranch | I must be doing something wrong |
| 22:58:03 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't access your storage cf through the 2.9.6 one |
| 22:58:04 | TheMasterMind1 | afaik |
| 22:58:08 | cranch | cause I got the 2.9.6 off of the testing site... |
| 22:58:14 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:58:20 | TheMasterMind1 | you can access the stuff on your cf? |
| 22:58:21 | cranch | and I was installing stuff off of CF earlier |
| 22:58:24 | TheMasterMind1 | does it show in the Documents? |
| 22:58:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:58:26 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 22:58:38 | TheMasterMind1 | it was definitely broken |
| 22:58:40 | TheMasterMind1 | then i fixed it |
| 22:58:44 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe kergoth upgraded it |
| 22:58:52 | TheMasterMind1 | named the 2.4.7 2.4.6 |
| 22:58:53 | TheMasterMind1 | probably |
| 22:59:17 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 22:59:24 | cranch | everything shows in the documents tab..including installed Apps |
| 22:59:33 | cranch | I'm going to choke the shit out of my Z |
| 22:59:46 | cranch | I don't like the SharpROM and the OZ stuff isn't the best solution :P |
| 22:59:59 | TheMasterMind1 | oz is a mess right now |
| 22:59:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 23:00:05 | TheMasterMind1 | blame kergoth |
| 23:00:06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:00:07 | cranch | haha |
| 23:00:13 | cranch | 2.9.7 out soon? |
| 23:00:25 | cranch | cause I'd like to use it :) I just want my damn tkc Apps to work with the rest of it :P |
| 23:00:39 | cranch | and I don't want to flash 2.9.5.5 cause its so old |
| 23:02:04 | ljp | well... oz wasnt a mess before kergoth had 'helpers' |
| 23:02:11 | ljp | :D |
| 23:02:19 | cranch | hehe |
| 23:02:34 | cranch | so anyone have any recommendations? |
| 23:02:37 | nishi | ok 1 more ... I have a laptop on my corporate net (wired) |
| 23:02:44 | cranch | flash 2.9.6 and then ipkg upgrade, or run the 2.9.6 |
| 23:02:51 | cranch | 2.9.5.5 I meant and upgrade |
| 23:03:25 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 23:03:32 | TheMasterMind1 | upgrade from 2.9.5.5 won't work |
| 23:03:35 | TheMasterMind1 | it'll die on you |
| 23:03:35 | nishi | and the Z on the cradle connected to the docking station's (of an IBM T20 laptop) USB port |
| 23:03:46 | nishi | the IBM gets an address via DHCP |
| 23:04:08 | nishi | what address should I assign to the USB-TCP/IP setup on the Z to be able to browse the net ? |
| 23:06:45 | Speedy2 | nishi: Maybe a 192.168.0.xxx IP |
| 23:06:51 | Speedy2 | And make the Thinkpad your Gateway |
| 23:06:59 | cranch | Mastermind: where did you get your konqueror package from? |
| 23:07:01 | roge99 | TheMasterMind1: what do you mean "it will die on you" |
| 23:07:12 | roge99 | i didit and its runs just fine |
| 23:07:31 | nishi | Hmmm ... how do I make the thinkpad a gateway ? What settings on the control panel ? It runs Win2K |
| 23:08:29 | Speedy2 | nishi: On your Z, you'll need to give it the Thinkpad IP for Gateway |
| 23:08:31 | Speedy2 | err |
| 23:08:40 | Speedy2 | Rather, give the Z the same Gateway your Thinkpad has |
| 23:08:57 | Speedy2 | It's an educated guess, but I don't have a Z... |
| 23:09:04 | nishi | ok ... ok that makes sense |
| 23:09:08 | nishi | let me try |
| 23:09:46 | roge99 | nishi: your going to need to perform some sort of nat on the laptop |
| 23:09:48 | Cloudchaser | nishi you using windows or linux on your thinkpad? |
| 23:09:59 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: what is this? |
| 23:10:02 | Cloudchaser | if windows you'll need internet connection sharing |
| 23:10:09 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: ah ok thanks |
| 23:10:11 | Cloudchaser | you can't access the internet with a private address |
| 23:11:06 | nishi | Hmm cant the T20 act like a router ? |
| 23:11:18 | Cloudchaser | dunno what a 520 is |
| 23:11:22 | Cloudchaser | er t20 |
| 23:11:28 | Speedy2 | His laptop, the Thinkpad |
| 23:11:42 | Cloudchaser | if he has windows, he can use Internet Connection Sharing |
| 23:11:48 | nishi | route from a private 192 address ... t20 (IBM Thinkpad T20) ... in essence I think what I would need is the laptop do NAT ... |
| 23:11:53 | nishi | I don't have ICS |
| 23:12:00 | Cloudchaser | what os on ibm? |
| 23:12:14 | Speedy2 | Windows 2000 |
| 23:12:20 | Cloudchaser | he has it |
| 23:12:23 | Cloudchaser | and has to enable it |
| 23:12:29 | nishi | how so ? |
| 23:14:06 | Mantus | anyone know why i cant install any packages since upgrading to OZ, they all say they need qpe-base |
| 23:14:12 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx: ipkg-link.sh mount /mnt/cf |
| 23:14:33 | TheMasterMind1 | Mantus: opie-base provides qpe-base |
| 23:14:39 | TheMasterMind1 | just -force-depends them |
| 23:15:02 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: SWEEET |
| 23:15:19 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 23:15:23 | TheMasterMind1 | its pretty kickass |
| 23:15:40 | Mantus | opie base is a standard package right? |
| 23:16:11 | TheMasterMind1 | yea you have it already |
| 23:16:17 | TheMasterMind1 | can't run opie withoutit |
| 23:16:40 | Cloudchaser | nishi: http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/ics/ics.htm |
| 23:16:54 | nishi | gee thx cloudchaser ... !! |
| 23:17:11 | Cloudchaser | np |
| 23:21:21 | TheMasterMind1 | 20:27:24 up 20 days, 23:55, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 0.24, 0.10 |
| 23:21:27 | TheMasterMind1 | fear my uptime |
| 23:22:09 | ljp | 20 days? |
| 23:22:30 | Mantus | are there limitations as to what apps can be installed to the SD card? |
| 23:25:01 | W|GGL|T | puts all his apps on the z itself |
| 23:26:10 | Mantus | i like to use all 64MB of ram as ram and the sd as storage |
| 23:28:11 | roge99 | TheMasterMind1: 20 days ... lol |
| 23:29:14 | KallDrexx | tries ipkg upgrade again but this time doesn't do busybox |
| 23:29:34 | whardier | heh |
| 23:29:35 | whardier | fun |
| 23:29:38 | roge99 | KallDrexx: yea busybox was broke |
| 23:29:39 | whardier | if you ever get that working |
| 23:29:42 | whardier | tell me the secret |
| 23:29:51 | KallDrexx | roge99: yeah i think that's what's breakign my z |
| 23:29:56 | whardier | nope |
| 23:30:03 | whardier | I upgraded |
| 23:30:05 | whardier | then downgraded |
| 23:30:07 | whardier | no diff |
| 23:30:13 | roge99 | yea unless kergoth updated it today it was broke last night |
| 23:30:22 | whardier | it has been way broke for a while |
| 23:30:26 | whardier | but thats not helpfull info |
| 23:30:28 | whardier | heh |
| 23:30:42 | roge99 | no it was "really broke" last night |
| 23:30:43 | KallDrexx | roge99: no it still is broke as of 10 min ago ;) |
| 23:30:59 | whardier | roge99 I ipkg upgraded |
| 23:31:04 | whardier | and it destroyed all opieness |
| 23:31:08 | whardier | that was about a week ago |
| 23:31:12 | whardier | same results for last night |
| 23:31:19 | KallDrexx | woah |
| 23:31:24 | KallDrexx | busybox breaks opie |
| 23:31:29 | sig | does anyone know what windows icons formats are in? |
| 23:31:30 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: busybox is the problem |
| 23:31:34 | whardier | are you sure? |
| 23:31:34 | roge99 | the busybox ipk dated 9-16 |
| 23:31:40 | roge99 | is really broke |
| 23:31:53 | sig | I tried moving some of my linux icons to my win32 box and it won't let me change them to the linux icons. |
| 23:31:53 | KallDrexx | whardier: yes cause i have to -force-overwrite busybox, and when i dont' do it opie works and reboots fine |
| 23:32:07 | KallDrexx | whardier: with it opie dies nad i have to reflash |
| 23:32:10 | whardier | KallDrexx how did you stop busybox from upgrading? |
| 23:32:16 | whardier | or did you snag the newest |
| 23:32:18 | whardier | and snag the last |
| 23:32:21 | whardier | and overwrite? |
| 23:32:33 | whardier | cause I had opie working fine |
| 23:32:35 | roge99 | the busybox wont upgrade unless you force it too |
| 23:32:36 | whardier | then I installed konq |
| 23:32:37 | KallDrexx | whardier: when i do ipkg upgrade busybox gives me a ton of problems that something is installed by <no package> |
| 23:32:38 | whardier | just konq |
| 23:32:43 | sig | does anyone know what format windows icons are in? |
| 23:32:44 | whardier | and it updated a few opie packlages |
| 23:32:46 | whardier | no busybox |
| 23:32:47 | roge99 | it conflicts w wget and tinylogin |
| 23:32:48 | whardier | then it died |
| 23:32:57 | KallDrexx | whardier: dunno |
| 23:33:01 | whardier | hmmphm |
| 23:33:06 | whardier | but you just did an ipkg upgrade |
| 23:33:11 | whardier | downgraded busybox |
| 23:33:12 | whardier | and it worked? |
| 23:33:13 | KallDrexx | hmm why didn't it put my stuff in PIM |
| 23:33:17 | KallDrexx | i didnt' downgrade busybox |
| 23:33:20 | KallDrexx | I just didn't upgrade it |
| 23:33:27 | KallDrexx | and yes just did ipkg upgrade |
| 23:33:36 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 23:33:53 | roge99 | ipkg upgrade wont upgrade busybox because of the conflicts |
| 23:34:04 | whardier | KallDrexx: so are you saying busybox just didn't install |
| 23:34:10 | W|GGL|T | sig! |
| 23:34:19 | sig | sup |
| 23:34:29 | W|GGL|T | nm |
| 23:34:33 | whardier | I need to get my wap working soon then |
| 23:34:34 | KallDrexx | whardier: yes it has conflicts so unless I -force-overwrite it won't upgrade busybox |
| 23:34:47 | W|GGL|T | sig: join the webring whenever you have time |
| 23:35:18 | sig | ok |
| 23:35:22 | W|GGL|T | is baking brownies! |
| 23:35:39 | | webring is probably the Zaurus WebRing and it is located at http://W.webring.com/hub?ring=zaurussl5x00webr. Please consider joining the effort to organize Zaurus resources! |
| 23:35:39 | W|GGL|T | ibot webring |
| 23:35:41 | whardier | W|GGL|T the weirdo |
| 23:35:56 | W|GGL|T | well, they won't cook themselves, foo! |
| 23:36:25 | sig | hey W|GGL|T do you know where i can download mac osx like icons for xp? |
| 23:37:30 | W|GGL|T | http://xicons.macnn.com/articles/winxp.php |
| 23:37:40 | sig | bad url |
| 23:38:23 | W|GGL|T | im just cut/pasting from google |
| 23:38:49 | W|GGL|T | did see a good bit of hits on 'mac OSX icons for windows XP' |
| 23:38:57 | sig | k |
| 23:39:05 | KallDrexx | how do I make ipkg forget where it installed a package last time? |
| 23:39:08 | Mantus | anyone know where i can get a copy of konq. that doesnt segfault? |
| 23:39:38 | TheMasterMind1 | klkfa |
| 23:39:59 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't today 9-16? |
| 23:40:03 | TheMasterMind1 | today's busybox is broke? |
| 23:40:07 | KallDrexx | yes |
| 23:40:11 | TheMasterMind1 | Mantus: from the oz feed? |
| 23:40:17 | W|GGL|T | 9-17 |
| 23:40:28 | | oz feed is, like, see oz3 feed |
| 23:40:28 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz feed |
| 23:40:32 | | hmmm... oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 23:40:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz3 feed |
| 23:40:47 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: what file do i have to get rid of so ipkg doesn't remember previous installs of a package? |
| 23:40:58 | sjohnson | Looks like no LinuxShow tonight |
| 23:41:03 | Mantus | the oz feed on opie.hanhelds..... is broken |
| 23:41:09 | TheMasterMind1 | PREFIX/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/PACKAGE.list |
| 23:41:12 | TheMasterMind1 | iirc |
| 23:41:15 | Mantus | err the ipk of konq at least |
| 23:41:20 | TheMasterMind1 | Mantus: that's cuz that's not an oz feed |
| 23:41:24 | TheMasterMind1 | use the official oz feed |
| 23:41:58 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: uhh all tha'ts in ipkg/lists/ is oz3 |
| 23:42:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:42:34 | | i guess update oz is Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 23:42:34 | Onyx4 | ibot: update oz |
| 23:42:37 | TheMasterMind1 | info/ |
| 23:42:44 | TheMasterMind1 | PREFIX/usr/lib/ipkg/info/PACKAGE.list |
| 23:42:57 | TheMasterMind1 | that has a listing of installed files |
| 23:42:58 | KallDrexx | ah i see it |
| 23:43:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno if that's what ipkg checks |
| 23:43:12 | Mantus | and konq. is not on the http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ feed |
| 23:43:47 | Onyx4 | every opie app is not in the feed basically |
| 23:43:54 | Onyx4 | it's in construction and needs to be fixed quickly |
| 23:43:59 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: do I type PREFIX? |
| 23:44:02 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 23:44:17 | TheMasterMind1 | PREFIX is one of /,/mnt/card/,/mnt/cf/,/mnt/ram/ |
| 23:44:20 | TheMasterMind1 | depending on where it was installed |
| 23:44:29 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 23:44:33 | KallDrexx | but i dont' ahve a package.list |
| 23:44:46 | TheMasterMind1 | PAKCAGE = packagename |
| 23:44:47 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 23:44:54 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 23:45:04 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks KallDrexx on the head |
| 23:45:14 | KallDrexx | runs away =P |
| 23:45:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:46:01 | TheMasterMind1 | just use tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 23:46:06 | TheMasterMind1 | everything in there should work |
| 23:46:08 | TheMasterMind1 | except hotplug |
| 23:46:20 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 23:46:37 | Onyx4 | so why is your buildroot working on not the one on sf? |
| 23:48:22 | KallDrexx | err |
| 23:48:24 | KallDrexx | that was fucked up |
| 23:48:42 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: its not, that's my last good build |
| 23:48:47 | Onyx4 | ah |
| 23:48:57 | Onyx4 | then thing went to hell hehe |
| 23:48:59 | TheMasterMind1 | that's the latest build available right now |
| 23:49:06 | TheMasterMind1 | and almost everything works in it |
| 23:49:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm upgrading hotplug.. |
| 23:49:25 | Onyx4 | we should put that on sf.net and keep the current one under /testing |
| 23:49:25 | Mantus | seriously though, anyone have konqueror working in ipk form? |
| 23:50:20 | KallDrexx | WTF my doom saved games are gone!!!!!! |
| 23:50:34 | KallDrexx | fuck me I worked hard to et that far |
| 23:50:48 | | somebody said f*ck was see farq |
| 23:50:48 | Onyx4 | ibot: f*ck |
| 23:51:00 | | I think you meant fuck. dont beat around the bush, man. |
| 23:51:00 | Onyx4 | ibot: farq |
| 23:51:14 | KallDrexx | arg it probably put the save games on root instead of my cf >.< |
| 23:51:18 | Mantus | KallDrexx just cheat and get it over with |
| 23:51:41 | Onyx4 | prboom is actually quite fun to play on the Z? |
| 23:51:49 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: ya especially during class ;) |
| 23:51:59 | KallDrexx | Mantus: heh don't know how =P |
| 23:52:05 | Onyx4 | mm but the screen is upside down so the controls must be weird since it's on the side right? |
| 23:52:30 | Onyx4 | I mean the display is rotated ? |
| 23:52:31 | KallDrexx | the controls move with the controls, so left is up, up is right |
| 23:52:33 | Mantus | iddqd idkfa |
| 23:52:34 | KallDrexx | yeah |
| 23:52:50 | Onyx4 | oh ok... mmm guess I should try it |
| 23:52:53 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: its' a little wierd when you first start and you cna't play on a hard difficulty since you can't turn ok |
| 23:52:56 | nishi | guys anyone got a CF wireless card that supports Cisco LEAP ??? |
| 23:52:56 | KallDrexx | but you get used to it |
| 23:53:25 | Mantus | is there any web browser that runs on OZ? |
| 23:53:42 | Onyx4 | nishi: don't think prism2 drivers supports that, so no card on the Z could work with that |
| 23:53:50 | nishi | yuck ! |
| 23:53:55 | nishi | :) |
| 23:54:15 | Onyx4 | nishi: you might want to check which ones with windows CE devices do support it |
| 23:54:25 | nishi | can one use some sort of PCMCIA to CF convertor and use Cisco's Aironet cards ? |
| 23:54:27 | Onyx4 | nishi: then see which kind of chipset those card uses |
| 23:54:43 | nishi | hmmm |
| 23:54:57 | nishi | damn PCMCIA cards need 5 V and CF 3.x Volts |
| 23:55:15 | Onyx4 | nishi: the cisco drivers would have to be compiled too, but that's the easy part |
| 23:55:19 | nishi | yup |
| 23:55:26 | Cloudchaser | i heard cisco's coming out with a cf wireless card |
| 23:55:33 | Onyx4 | do linux areonet drivers support LEAP? |
| 23:55:38 | nishi | yes they do |
| 23:55:51 | nishi | not sure abt the CF wireless card from cisco |
| 23:55:56 | Mantus | has anyone here found a working version of konqueror? |
| 23:56:03 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: oh yeah and helper dogs help out a lot :) |
| 23:56:06 | KallDrexx | hey chouimat |
| 23:56:21 | chouimat | hey KallDrexx |
| 23:56:28 | Cloudchaser | hiyca chouimat |
| 23:56:49 | chouimat | need a linux tvrecording software |
| 23:57:20 | fusion94 | chouimat: oh...thats called Tivo :P |
| 23:57:39 | chouimat | fusion94: :( |
| 23:57:41 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: do you need the original doom WAD? |
| 23:58:04 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: yeah, if you want i could send you one |
| 23:58:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 23:58:11 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 23:58:15 | TheMasterMind1 | oz is totally fucked up right now |
| 23:58:16 | TheMasterMind1 | :( |
| 23:58:28 | nishi | y so ? |
| 23:58:30 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: install the doom demo so you get a desktop icon |
| 23:58:46 | nishi | i was planning to go the OZ way today ... so you recommend I don't do it for now ? |
| 23:58:51 | kryhme | just got back from my first wardrive with my Z .... looks like every bus in town and also every CVS is broadcasting.... also heaps of other people broadcastiong "DEFAULT CONFIGURATION" |
| 23:59:06 | Onyx4 | nishi: yep wait until things get working again |
| 23:59:22 | nishi | cool ! thx onyx4 |
| 23:59:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ok who was trying to run tck apps on my initrd? |
