| 00:02:45 | robmur | cloudchaser: OZ. I found the google cache. I take it the procedure is the same except that the files on the cf card should be ZIMAGE and INITRD.BIN? |
| 00:03:17 | Cloudchaser | and bootflag.txt |
| 00:03:59 | Cloudchaser | not sure if case matters but if its lower case in the original, i'd leave it that way |
| 00:05:12 | Cloudchaser | there's a readme and an faq at the oz download site |
| 00:05:36 | robmur | ok. thanks |
| 00:39:06 | erikd | anyone know if QPainter::rotate( double a ) is supported on the z or not? |
| 00:57:39 | robmur | I've got OZ installed! thanks for the help. I'm off to bed now. Good night. |
| 01:20:01 | Mantus | anyone here gotten nmap to work properly on the Z? |
| 01:32:03 | Onyx4 | nmap should work fine , any problems? |
| 01:32:18 | hobbs | does anyone know _why_ the reboot option in the gui causes occasional hangs? |
| 01:32:43 | Onyx4 | which rom hoobs |
| 01:33:39 | hobbs | not the latest, atm. 1.25, I think. |
| 01:33:46 | hobbs | but I don't have any CF. |
| 01:34:04 | Onyx4 | oh ok, it might be related to the rom version |
| 01:34:30 | antadam | does anyone know if anything is happening w/a vpn client for the Z? |
| 01:34:51 | Onyx4 | openvpn should work once we get to 2.4.19 |
| 01:35:18 | antadam | do you know how long that'l be about? |
| 01:35:30 | Onyx4 | ... 3 weeks to a month |
| 01:36:31 | antadam | and that should then work w/wireless that requires cisco vpn clients??? i.e. i'm trying to decide if i should bother getting a wireless card or not. i have wireless in my house, but my school requires vpn clients to get on their wireless stuff |
| 01:37:01 | Onyx4 | no that does not work with cisco |
| 01:37:11 | Onyx4 | AFAIK not a lot of stuff works with cisco even on a real linux dekstop |
| 01:37:21 | Onyx4 | cisco has binary drivers for its vpn closed source |
| 01:37:50 | antadam | yeah, ok well i'm just wondering b/c i read on zauruszone.com some people were working on one b/c there i guess is a linux client, but other than that no go |
| 01:38:56 | antadam | oh yeah, the other thing, have you heard anything about the camera attachment for it for the flash card slot??? in other words, is it any good |
| 01:39:30 | Onyx4 | not personally |
| 01:40:15 | antadam | ok cool thanx...i'm still on the edge of my seat on if i should get it or not |
| 01:41:21 | Onyx4 | it's a fun toy to play with |
| 01:41:49 | Onyx4 | I've had most of my fun by just messing around with it than actually using it as a real pda :) |
| 01:41:50 | antadam | yeah, i'm hoping to use it for that and also to develop some worthwhile stuff to help me fix some fileservers at the place for like while i'm sitting in class or something |
| 01:41:55 | antadam | hah |
| 01:42:31 | antadam | do you think the initial 64 megs it comes w/is enough space or would like a 128 meg sd card to add on be a good start? |
| 01:43:23 | Onyx4 | a 64 or 128 SD card is nice to have |
| 01:43:37 | Onyx4 | that way you can use all your 64mb of ram as "ram" rather than storage |
| 01:43:44 | Onyx4 | by default it uses 32 for storage , 32 for real ram |
| 01:44:29 | antadam | so there is a real noticeable speed difference? |
| 01:44:57 | Onyx4 | not much in terms of speed, just the amount of applications you can run at same time, and maybe caching too |
| 01:45:07 | Onyx4 | like if you want to use it for divx movies and such |
| 01:45:40 | antadam | ah good deal |
| 01:45:55 | Onyx4 | get a 256mb card and store a 2hour movie on it |
| 01:46:00 | Onyx4 | a CF card that is |
| 01:46:30 | antadam | heh definitely true, i think i'd probably end up doing nfs from my linux machine if i was doing that |
| 01:46:43 | hobbs | is MMC == SD without the crap that makes it SD? |
| 01:46:48 | akk | I've been having reliability problems with MMC cards -- lots of them don't mount, or keep getting corrupted filesystems. |
| 01:47:17 | Onyx4 | SD is a safer choice, you just don't use the benefits of SD |
| 01:47:24 | Onyx4 | but prices aren't that bad for 64 or 128 |
| 01:47:42 | akk | Really? Does the Z SD driver work better than the MMC driver? |
| 01:48:06 | akk | SD cards are cheaper, but I've been buying MMC because I'd like to write to them from linux and eventually OZ. |
| 01:48:16 | antadam | create now i'll have to write an aim client for this thing, forget paying for tckjabber |
| 01:48:21 | hobbs | ooooh. OZ. |
| 01:48:36 | hobbs | antadam: there's an aim client. and an ok jabber client that's free. |
| 01:48:42 | Onyx4 | antadam: hehe yeah someone could port "licq" to linux |
| 01:48:46 | hobbs | kinkattalite is actually pretty nice. |
| 01:48:46 | Onyx4 | it's already written in QT |
| 01:48:59 | antadam | what is it, i've been on zauruszone.com and not found anything |
| 01:49:19 | hobbs | antadam: kinkattalite is the aim client, and QtJim is for jabber. |
| 01:49:20 | | Onyx4: sorry... |
| 01:49:20 | Onyx4 | ibot: kinkatta |
| 01:49:46 | hobbs | antadam: the main problem with the zaurus is that the actual basic PIM applications suck. :) |
| 01:49:50 | Onyx4 | but tkcjabber is one app that is well worth its money |
| 01:49:54 | BigBoss | antadam: what's the problem with paying $20 for a good working app? |
| 01:50:26 | DaWorm | errr money? hehehe..jk |
| 01:50:36 | antadam | BigBoss: nothing really, except when you're a college student, if its not beer or computer parts you're dumping money into, you begin to question your sanity |
| 01:51:16 | BigBoss | but you'll spend hundreds or thousands of dollars in both time and getting books and magazines and parts and figuring things out, or you can skip a day at Starbucks and buy something that works and is supported |
| 01:52:17 | Onyx4 | BigBoss: maybe you can answer this, on the ICQ network, if you don't have someone on your list in jabber, can they still send you messages? last time I heard it was not possible |
| 01:52:28 | antadam | BigBoss: yeah, but i'll have a reason to learn something finally. i go through college getting like a 3.82 cum (not bragging just making a point), but i never feel like i'm really learning anything adn this'll make mae learn something |
| 01:52:33 | Xentac | is back (gone 02:00:53) |
| 01:53:08 | BigBoss | antadam: if it was me, then I'd pick fresh ground as opposed to following that pack, which is what most people do |
| 01:53:45 | BigBoss | Onyx4: jabber can be confusing, and what you are describing is a function of the transport. You'd have to exist in the ICQ network from Jabber to be accessable |
| 01:53:47 | DaWorm | following the pack usually results into higher frustration levels |
| 01:54:08 | BigBoss | DaWorm: exactly, you're playing feature tag with people |
| 01:54:15 | antadam | BigBoss: following the pack ends up as mindless drones wearing abercrombie and fitch (no offense to anyone intended) |
| 01:54:21 | BigBoss | come up with a fresh and new idea and bring life to it yourself |
| 01:54:43 | BigBoss | antadam: but your talking about writing an IM client when there are already several for the device. that's just following the pack |
| 01:55:02 | DaWorm | try something like p2p or whatever |
| 01:55:02 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:55:03 | BigBoss | I know I'd be very interested to see Opie pick some new ground to break |
| 01:55:23 | BigBoss | the tab manager was a nice bit, I was glad to see ben take my suggestion |
| 01:55:44 | BigBoss | I've got tons of ideas for the Zaurus, and we'll get to them all eventually, but of course we have limited resources so it takes time |
| 01:55:58 | BigBoss | but we'll end up with 40 or 50 products for the zaurus eventually |
| 01:55:59 | Onyx4 | BigBoss: correct, the problem I heard is that even if you are registered with the icq transport, but people try to msg you that aren't in your jabber list,u dont get the msgs |
| 01:56:07 | antadam | BigBoss: apparently, i'm not being followed. the only aim client i found was tckjabber, that's why i was going to up and write one. the whole point was mostly for me to learn something i don't already know or they don't make me learn in school |
| 01:56:08 | DaWorm | the opie clipboard widget is nice sa well, although not that consistent yet |
| 01:56:30 | DaWorm | ben made an aim client (and a good one too) |
| 01:56:40 | antadam | BigBoss: i mean if i knew what i was doing, i'd write a vpn client so i could get wireless working on a zaurs, that would be an ultimate goal |
| 01:56:49 | antadam | DaWorm: who's ben? |
| 01:56:57 | DaWorm | ben meyer |
| 01:57:18 | Onyx4 | antadam: remember that most command line / kernel tools work on zaurus once recompiled, the hardest is to port QT guis |
| 01:57:20 | BigBoss | antadam: see? vpn, a good thing to learn, you don't know it already |
| 01:57:20 | hobbs | *sad* |
| 01:57:33 | hobbs | BigBoss: and, it's impossible. :) |
| 01:57:39 | hobbs | I broke nethack somehow, it can't save savefiles. |
| 01:58:04 | hobbs | not impossible, just not for mere mortals. :) |
| 01:58:22 | BigBoss | Onyx4: I believe that it's because jabber doesn't have a link to that ICQ id, you have to create that via jabber. I think there are some transports that you can import buddies from, but I know you can't with AIM for example, and I don't think ICQ either (which is frustrating) |
| 01:58:46 | Onyx4 | yeah... so it's a limitation of jabber |
| 01:58:58 | antadam | BigBoss: i know, but i figured an aim client would at least help me understand that sort of thing. but then again, as far as my research has shown there's some serious walls w/making a vpn client compatible w/whatever the cisco vpn client does |
| 01:59:00 | Onyx4 | the "concept" or implementation |
| 01:59:00 | BigBoss | antadam: write a usable PDF viewer, I'm told that qpdf has various problems |
| 01:59:38 | hobbs | BigBoss: no, there's a completely separate issue regarding icq authorization (mainly the fact that it doesn't work). Not being regged to the transport or not. |
| 01:59:42 | BigBoss | Onyx4: I'm sure that the icq transport code could be fixed at some point by someone |
| 01:59:47 | Onyx4 | antadam: you might want to look at the list of the sharp developer challenge, it had a bunch of ideas of applications that are needed |
| 02:00:04 | BigBoss | write a sync app for mac OS X - people been begging for that |
| 02:00:17 | hobbs | I quit using jabber to talk to anyone but jabber users a long time ago, because transports aren't that great of an idea in the first place. :) |
| 02:00:25 | DaWorm | or a quicken like app :( |
| 02:00:34 | antadam | ok well w/that i think my first move is to go and learn some stuff about vpn...anyone have any suggestions of where to start? |
| 02:00:36 | treke|home | antadam: find something you need |
| 02:00:37 | Onyx4 | there is no native icq client for the Z, that's sad |
| 02:00:43 | antadam | BigBoss: yeah that'd be good...i have my g3 sitting next to me |
| 02:00:46 | Onyx4 | there are already AIM clients tough, so icq is more needed |
| 02:01:03 | DaWorm | or a fast mame port |
| 02:01:04 | darienm | puts up a loud SECOND for Mac OS X !!! |
| 02:01:14 | DaWorm | and a good snes emu |
| 02:01:17 | DaWorm | :) |
| 02:01:20 | treke|home | Onyx4: of course you could write an oscar based AIM client that wouldnt have problems connecting to icq :) |
| 02:01:25 | antadam | hah |
| 02:01:27 | Onyx4 | antadam: if you want to also takeover "zic" to better the irc client for the Z |
| 02:01:33 | hobbs | or just a decent datebook. :) |
| 02:01:51 | DaWorm | or a better browser |
| 02:01:53 | BigBoss | jabber talks to icq just fine in my experience |
| 02:01:58 | Onyx4 | the whole PIM is being re-written in OPIE at this moment |
| 02:02:00 | BigBoss | tkcJabber does irc |
| 02:02:10 | Onyx4 | yeah but does not support private messages |
| 02:02:13 | hobbs | Onyx4: good to know. |
| 02:02:15 | Onyx4 | so it's limited |
| 02:02:26 | hobbs | can't wait till I can get to using OZ. |
| 02:02:38 | DaWorm | me too |
| 02:02:43 | BigBoss | I hear rumors that the native crappy PIM engine is being changed to another fairly crappy format, that is again not extensible |
| 02:02:51 | antadam | hmm according to the challenges thing someone's already working on a vpn client |
| 02:02:57 | BigBoss | Onyx4: have you lost all ability to sync to the desktop then? |
| 02:02:59 | Onyx4 | yeah OZ is in intensive rework the last two weeks, lots of things changing, so it'll be more stable hopefully when we release 3.0 |
| 02:03:08 | treke|home | BigBoss: of course your a completly un biased source now arent you |
| 02:03:12 | BigBoss | antadam: doesn't mean they did it |
| 02:03:16 | Onyx4 | opie sync to the desktop with qtopia-desktop just as well as qtopia |
| 02:03:18 | antadam | BigBoss: i know:) |
| 02:03:32 | BigBoss | treke|home: unbiased about what? how crappy the native PIM engine is? |
| 02:03:36 | Onyx4 | I'm not sure what will happen with the re-write of the PIM, but I think it'll still be compatible |
| 02:03:42 | treke|home | BigBoss: no how crappy the new pim engine is |
| 02:03:42 | antadam | BigBoss: so basically i should learn qt and try to go to town on a vpn i guess |
| 02:03:43 | darienm | Qtopia Desktop 1.6 won't read the calendar file from tkcCalendar :( |
| 02:03:53 | Onyx4 | also they are building a new sync application to work with korganiser and the other kde PIM |
| 02:04:11 | hobbs | kinkatta actually does seem to handle ICQ pretty well, even the SSI... but of course it shows numbers, not nicks. :) |
| 02:04:17 | BigBoss | darienm: we don't change the calendar file with tkcCalendar- if it isn't working, then it shouldn't work with the regular calendar either |
| 02:04:26 | antadam | hell, i'm just happy the german gov't contracted kde to make a linux alternative to exchange server |
| 02:04:54 | hobbs | that's potentially fixable, though, even pretty easily. |
| 02:05:01 | BigBoss | treke|home: it's crappy because they aren't taking into account that people want to do anything beyond what they have decided in advance should go into a PIM |
| 02:05:08 | BigBoss | for example, there is no Memo pad at all |
| 02:05:14 | treke|home | BigBoss: have you looked into the format their using? |
| 02:05:16 | antadam | ok i'm gonna go write my stupid religion paper, you'd think they'd make cs majors take classes that they actually care about |
| 02:05:19 | hobbs | but don't ask me to do it, I don't have the SDK yet. Too big. :) |
| 02:05:47 | BigBoss | it is impossible to make the apps talk to each other in an intelligent fashion. You can't extend the file layouts and preserve their sync capability, you have to write your own then |
| 02:05:54 | antadam | is away: homework is evil |
| 02:06:02 | BigBoss | now if there was a kick ass PIM in the Z to begin with, then it wouldn't matter, but the PIM sucks |
| 02:07:01 | BigBoss | I don't like having to get into the business of writing sync software and desktop apps and all that crap just because qtopia desktop can't be extended through an API or some standard interface |
| 02:07:10 | hobbs | AFAIC, DateBk5 is the perfect datebook, and ShadowPlan is the perfect... whatever it is. |
| 02:07:24 | hobbs | BigBoss: yeah... sync plugins would be nice, a la palm desktop. |
| 02:07:36 | hobbs | and just better sync software in the first place. :) |
| 02:07:52 | Cloudchaser | file synching would be very nice |
| 02:07:52 | darienm | BigBoss: I stand corrected -- it refused to sync until I copied my existing calendar to a .backup, sync'd with an empty calendar, then copied the .backup over the new file. Now it works. |
| 02:07:58 | Cloudchaser | had it on ce synch software |
| 02:08:20 | BigBoss | darienm: glad to hear it |
| 02:08:21 | treke|home | BigBoss: They are also writing their own sync engine, in addition to trying to provide some compatibility with qtopia desktop |
| 02:08:27 | BigBoss | yes, DateBk5 is really nice |
| 02:08:40 | BigBoss | treke|home: who? opie? |
| 02:08:44 | treke|home | BigBoss: yes |
| 02:08:45 | darienm | There is a memo pad now. noteZ |
| 02:08:49 | | noteZ 1.0.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=412 |
| 02:08:49 | darienm | ibot search zsi for notez |
| 02:09:16 | BigBoss | treke|home: well "trying" and "doing" are two different things :) |
| 02:09:22 | Cloudchaser | darienm: didn't they change the ipkg format so alot of opie stuff won't work on sharp rom? |
| 02:09:27 | BigBoss | but if they have their own format, then there will be at least 4 of them floating around |
| 02:09:44 | darienm | Cloudchaser: example? I run all kinds of opie stuff on my Sharp ROM. |
| 02:09:59 | BigBoss | well that NoteZ is pretty far away from tkcMemo |
| 02:10:06 | treke|home | BigBoss: the new sync code is in KDE cvs. As for compatibility, I dont know how they are handeling that |
| 02:10:47 | DaWorm | i like IQNotes though |
| 02:11:00 | Cloudchaser | darienm: i heard in here, i thought, that the ipkg format was changed or will be changing...you can run most opie things on sharp rom? that is good... |
| 02:11:15 | Cloudchaser | there's a couple i want to try out.. the clipboard i really like |
| 02:11:16 | BigBoss | treke|home: ok, so that gets you support on Linux which is about 20% of what people are asking for |
| 02:11:21 | Onyx4 | BigBoss: is there a desktop application like qtopia-desktop that could be supported with all the tkc PIM stuff? |
| 02:11:26 | Cloudchaser | but i heard that doesn't work |
| 02:11:32 | DaWorm | the clipboard works on 2.38 |
| 02:11:35 | DaWorm | i use it |
| 02:11:41 | Cloudchaser | i have 2.37 |
| 02:11:48 | BigBoss | Onyx4: yes, our Aethera project already has everything needed on the desktop and is (will be soon) multi-platform |
| 02:11:52 | Cloudchaser | i'll try it then if you say it works |
| 02:11:53 | darienm | Cloudchaser: the taskbar clipboard applet? stay away. crashes some programs. (like tkcCalendar) |
| 02:11:56 | BigBoss | it can totally replace Qtopia desktop |
| 02:12:01 | Cloudchaser | oh bummer |
| 02:12:10 | hobbs | "Please read my report I send yesterday, The report is supposed to use on the Meeting." --actual example from the paper manual. eep. |
| 02:12:14 | Cloudchaser | that's one i really really wanted too |
| 02:12:21 | Cloudchaser | how about opie sh? |
| 02:12:26 | Onyx4 | BigBoss: will it sync also memos? so it'll be hopefully as good as the palm applications :) |
| 02:12:52 | darienm | Cloudchaser: haven't tried sh yet.. almost did. |
| 02:13:00 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: but thats for windows/exchange the synch program? |
| 02:13:28 | BigBoss | Onyx4: yes, it will handle all of our PIM apps, which is more than what the current system does |
| 02:13:35 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: we are talking about 2 different things |
| 02:13:41 | BigBoss | we have tkcSync now that works with Outlook |
| 02:13:44 | Onyx4 | and that is developped initally for windows or linux? |
| 02:13:45 | Cloudchaser | oh i'm sorry |
| 02:13:49 | BigBoss | we will have a branch of it that works with Aethera |
| 02:13:54 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 02:13:55 | BigBoss | linux |
| 02:13:59 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 02:14:06 | Onyx4 | you have any url or info on aethera |
| 02:14:14 | Cloudchaser | just pim synch stuff? |
| 02:14:31 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/projects/aethera |
| 02:14:40 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: what do you mean? |
| 02:14:54 | Cloudchaser | file synching |
| 02:15:04 | Cloudchaser | so i can work on files on either pc or z |
| 02:15:08 | Cloudchaser | and have them synch |
| 02:15:10 | BigBoss | we're not going to get into file syncing I don't think |
| 02:15:14 | Cloudchaser | damn |
| 02:15:33 | Cloudchaser | document portabiity is so key for me |
| 02:15:43 | BigBoss | there's a good project for antadam :) |
| 02:15:51 | BigBoss | what kind of documents? |
| 02:16:14 | Cloudchaser | text/docs |
| 02:16:21 | Cloudchaser | mostly |
| 02:16:26 | hobbs | BigBoss: it'd be nice just to see a scripts (on either end) that get executed on-sync. |
| 02:16:41 | Cloudchaser | one that keeps the dir structure |
| 02:16:43 | DaWorm | where is tkcsync located? |
| 02:16:55 | hobbs | BigBoss: then, even if it's not standard, someone can set up a script that says "nfs mount and rsync this part of /home" |
| 02:17:01 | BigBoss | DaWorm: it's in the tkcToDo package since that is the only app that uses it at the moment |
| 02:17:01 | Cloudchaser | i used to have a folder with my jornada |
| 02:17:13 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 02:17:20 | Cloudchaser | i put all my docs into it that i wanted on my handheld |
| 02:17:30 | Cloudchaser | when i syched, that folder synched |
| 02:17:37 | ljp | kitchensync (kde 3.1 sync software) will have a plugin interface so someone can write a way to sync it to anything |
| 02:17:56 | Cloudchaser | if a doc had changes on both places it would ask me what i wanted to accept |
| 02:18:12 | Cloudchaser | i had everything nice and neat in directories |
| 02:18:40 | Cloudchaser | and same dir structure on handheld |
| 02:18:44 | Cloudchaser | was very nice |
| 02:19:47 | Cloudchaser | anyway i'm with BigBoss on the "find something new" to do ;) |
| 02:20:13 | hobbs | or at least, find something old that's new to zaurus. :) |
| 02:20:20 | Cloudchaser | there's plenty of apps not available on the z that are available on palms or ce devices |
| 02:21:06 | Cloudchaser | and if people can't get the same or more functionality on the z as they do with their current handhelds, they won't find the need to switch to the z |
| 02:21:43 | Cloudchaser | so rather than compete with other z projects, compete with ppc or palm apps |
| 02:22:00 | Onyx4 | BigBoss: could there be a special pricing for a complete tkcPIM (calendar,todo,memo,address) ? |
| 02:22:16 | Cloudchaser | Onyx4: they do have pricing |
| 02:22:24 | Cloudchaser | look on their website |
| 02:22:42 | Cloudchaser | you can get discounts if you buy multiple products |
| 02:22:58 | Onyx4 | right but a more insentive discount than just that |
| 02:23:02 | Onyx4 | like a "pim" bundle |
| 02:23:12 | hobbs | I thought that there was a bundle like that. |
| 02:23:28 | Cloudchaser | there was but people wanted different choices i think |
| 02:23:40 | Cloudchaser | so they made it so you could pick and choose what you wanted to "bundle" |
| 02:24:14 | hobbs | btw, is KOrganizer/E completely broken? |
| 02:24:52 | Cloudchaser | doesn't know |
| 02:24:59 | Onyx4 | right now buying the whole pim would be around 10+10+5+15 = 40$ + 5% discount |
| 02:25:51 | Cloudchaser | so add 1 and get a 13% discount :) |
| 02:26:08 | Onyx4 | true... but it adds up :) |
| 02:26:36 | Onyx4 | wasn't there a "all tkc" apps bundle for like 85$? |
| 02:26:57 | DaWorm | not all |
| 02:26:58 | Cloudchaser | well that was before they added several products |
| 02:27:02 | DaWorm | just some essential stuff |
| 02:27:08 | Cloudchaser | so it might have been "all" at some point |
| 02:27:35 | Cloudchaser | hello BZFlag |
| 02:28:09 | hobbs | wow. no wonder you have that nick. |
| 02:28:26 | Cloudchaser | who? |
| 02:28:33 | hobbs | BZFlag: |
| 02:28:40 | Cloudchaser | why? |
| 02:29:14 | Xentac | is away: night |
| 02:29:16 | hobbs | Tim Riker, right? |
| 02:29:45 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 02:29:51 | Cloudchaser | i think so anyway |
| 02:30:20 | hobbs | I played bzflag back in the day, when I had 3d hardware. :) |
| 02:31:17 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 02:31:18 | ljp | Cloudchaser: you ever get usbdnet going? |
| 02:31:31 | Cloudchaser | yes for the most part |
| 02:31:46 | Cloudchaser | apparently usbdnet.o in 2.4.18-10 wasn't anygood |
| 02:31:52 | Cloudchaser | after you hd me delete it |
| 02:32:02 | Cloudchaser | someone else told me to copy it back tehre |
| 02:32:18 | Cloudchaser | the only place i had it was in the 2.4.18-10custom dir |
| 02:32:29 | Cloudchaser | so i copied that into 2.4.18-10 and voila |
| 02:32:32 | Cloudchaser | it worked! |
| 02:32:34 | ljp | oohh.. well, i was trying to get the standalone working, caus eit works for me |
| 02:32:48 | Cloudchaser | i think i have the standalone one |
| 02:32:55 | Cloudchaser | my make modules failed remember? |
| 02:33:09 | Cloudchaser | so i never got to make modules_install |
| 02:33:26 | Cloudchaser | doesn't really know |
| 02:33:38 | Cloudchaser | but it works except hotplug doesn't run my script |
| 02:33:48 | Cloudchaser | but i'll save that for another day |
| 02:33:50 | ljp | ahh |
| 02:34:28 | Cloudchaser | unfortunately when i try to copy large file over usb, it fails after 65-75% |
| 02:35:02 | Cloudchaser | anyway.. how are you doing today? |
| 02:35:21 | hobbs | I still don't see how ethernet-over-usb could know "hey, he's in the middle of a big file right now" except that it happens to some people. :) |
| 02:35:54 | Cloudchaser | i don't think it "knows* |
| 02:36:03 | Cloudchaser | i think usb doesn't maintain the connection for that long |
| 02:36:16 | Cloudchaser | something like that |
| 02:36:45 | Cloudchaser | all i know is i tried 5 times to copy a 200 mb file |
| 02:36:54 | hobbs | I'm going to bed. :) |
| 02:36:56 | Cloudchaser | actually 189 mb |
| 02:37:02 | BZFlag | hey all. |
| 02:37:06 | Cloudchaser | and it failed |
| 02:37:07 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 02:37:31 | hobbs | hey BZFlag |
| 02:37:43 | ljp | hi BZFlag |
| 02:37:56 | Cloudchaser | i'd get between 126 and 135 mb copied then poof |
| 02:38:19 | ljp | Cloudchaser: the ftp server in qpe doesnt handle large files very well |
| 02:38:22 | BZFlag | ljp: any update on the recorder? I've been swamped. I think Jennifer said they were going to ship the sharp one on vercel. |
| 02:38:53 | ljp | hmmm bummer.. I dunno |
| 02:39:09 | ljp | I cant even get the bsp to compile |
| 02:40:09 | BZFlag | bummer. Well, watch for me online this week, let's get you up and running so you can test locally. |
| 02:40:11 | ljp | and it works fine on desktop, sharp rom, openazaurus.. but not on the vercel |
| 02:40:35 | BZFlag | I know Ross/Ron found some issues with 22k on vercel and think they have them fixed now. |
| 02:40:58 | ljp | ok, somethings borked, cause I get seg faults on make dep |
| 02:41:38 | BZFlag | yeah, we'll figure it out. are you setup so I could ssh into your devel box? |
| 02:42:07 | ljp | no.. |
| 02:42:38 | hobbs | by the way, in case anyone cares, the korganizer ipk on someone-or-other's feed is broken, the one on korganizer.org works. |
| 02:42:52 | ljp | I could get it setup tho.. I'd have to open the modem's ports, and then the firewalls |
| 02:42:53 | BZFlag | It would be easier if you could create me a dummy account and add it to /opt/Embedix/etc/suwrapper.conf, then I could see what you see. |
| 02:43:51 | ljp | ok. I ca nget through make dep if I use a commandline instead of the wizard, but then the kernel compile fails |
| 02:44:52 | hobbs | really going to bed now. night everyone. |
| 02:45:00 | | bzflag is TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions. |
| 02:45:00 | br33zy | ibot who bzflag |
| 02:45:15 | br33zy | wow.. |
| 02:45:20 | | you are a party pooper |
| 02:45:20 | br33zy | ibot who br33zy |
| 02:45:23 | hobbs | wow. that's a lot. |
| 02:45:24 | br33zy | what? |
| 02:45:28 | | you are a party pooper |
| 02:45:28 | br33zy | ibot who br33zy |
| 02:45:33 | | i haven't a clue, br33zy |
| 02:45:33 | br33zy | ibot who hobbs |
| 02:45:40 | | wish i knew, br33zy |
| 02:45:40 | br33zy | ibot who ibot |
| 02:45:43 | br33zy | lol |
| 02:46:13 | | br33zy is nothing but a pointy-nosed tongueful of hedge-born bug spit. |
| 02:46:13 | BZFlag | ibot: insult br33zy |
| 02:46:13 | br33zy | BZFlag: your cto of Lineo? |
| 02:46:15 | | OK, hobbs. |
| 02:46:15 | hobbs | ibot hobbs is just hobbs. He's not a cartoon tiger, but he wishes he was. |
| 02:46:19 | BZFlag | br33zy: yep. |
| 02:46:24 | | it has been said that hobbs is just hobbs. He's not a cartoon tiger, but he wishes he was. |
| 02:46:24 | br33zy | ibot who hobbs |
| 02:48:19 | kergoth | hey all |
| 02:48:29 | kergoth | howdy tim, how goes it? |
| 02:48:30 | | bugger all, i dunno, br33zy |
| 02:48:30 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is A young programmer who is eager to learn and expand on computer programming. He has spent lots of time with the Agenda vr3, Yopy, the C/C++ programming language, and PHP. br33zy is constantly trying to master his skills with C/C++ and possibly move on to a new language like Assembly. |
| 02:48:36 | br33zy | wahoo |
| 02:49:04 | | well, br33zy is a party pooper |
| 02:49:04 | br33zy | ibot who br33zy |
| 02:49:08 | br33zy | a man |
| 02:49:18 | BZFlag | bbiab |
| 02:49:39 | | br33zy: wish i knew |
| 02:49:39 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is A young programmer who is eager to learn and expand on computer programming. He has spent lots of time with the Agenda vr3, Yopy, the C/C++ programming language, and PHP. br33zy is constantly trying to master his skills with C/C++ and possibly move on to a new language like Assembly. |
| 02:50:09 | br33zy | lol |
| 02:50:13 | Onyx4 | don't say the word "who" |
| 02:50:18 | | OK, mutexer. |
| 02:50:18 | mutexer | ibot mutexer is M to the izz U T to the izz E X to the izz E to the izz R... for shiza my niza. |
| 02:50:56 | br33zy | oh i see |
| 02:51:03 | kergoth | BZFlag: you'll be happy to know the oz buildroot no longer hides quite so much from the user :-) |
| 02:51:08 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is A young programmer that is eager to learn and expand on computer programming. He has spent lots of time with the Agenda vr3, Yopy, the C/C++ programming language, and PHP. br33zy is constantly trying to master his skills with C/C++ and possibly move on to a new language like Assembly. |
| 02:51:16 | BZFlag | back (that was quick. ;-) |
| 02:51:19 | | you are a party pooper |
| 02:51:19 | br33zy | ibot who br33zy |
| 02:51:28 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is A young programmer that is eager to learn and expand on computer programming. He has spent lots of time with the Agenda vr3, Yopy, the C/C++ programming language, and PHP. br33zy is constantly trying to master his skills with C/C++ and possibly move on to a new language like Assembly. |
| 02:51:33 | br33zy | it doesnt work!! |
| 02:51:35 | br33zy | too long |
| 02:51:38 | br33zy | hehe |
| 02:51:47 | BZFlag | kergoth: sup? tried the sheet ipk? |
| 02:51:53 | Onyx4 | you can also /msg ibot to do it outside the channel |
| 02:51:58 | | i haven't a clue, br33zy |
| 02:51:58 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is a programmer who does lots of stuff with PDAs and different languages. |
| 02:52:01 | kergoth | BZFlag: not personally, though others have confirmed that it works great |
| 02:52:06 | | ...but br33zy is a party pooper... |
| 02:52:06 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is a programmer that does lots of stuff with PDAs and different languages. |
| 02:52:10 | br33zy | ahh |
| 02:52:16 | | you are a party pooper |
| 02:52:16 | br33zy | ibot who br33zy |
| 02:52:19 | | ...but br33zy is a party pooper... |
| 02:52:19 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is a programmer that does lots of stuff with PDAs and different languages. |
| 02:52:20 | | ...but br33zy is a party pooper... |
| 02:52:20 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is a programmer that does lots of stuff with PDAs and different languages. |
| 02:52:23 | br33zy | i hate that |
| 02:52:26 | | kergoth: I forgot br33zy |
| 02:52:26 | kergoth | ibot forget br33zy |
| 02:52:27 | | br33zy, I didn't have anything matching 'br33zy' |
| 02:52:27 | br33zy | ibot forget br33zy |
| 02:52:27 | | Onyx4, I didn't have anything matching 'br33zy' |
| 02:52:27 | Onyx4 | ibot forget br33zy |
| 02:52:28 | | BZFlag, I didn't have anything matching 'br33zy' |
| 02:52:28 | BZFlag | ibot: forget br33zy |
| 02:52:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:52:39 | br33zy | lol |
| 02:52:40 | | OK, br33zy. |
| 02:52:40 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is a programmer that does lots of stuff with PDAs and different languages. |
| 02:52:42 | BZFlag | heh |
| 02:52:46 | | you are a programmer that does lots of stuff with PDAs and different languages. |
| 02:52:46 | br33zy | ibot who br33zy |
| 02:52:52 | br33zy | hehe |
| 02:52:55 | | br33zy: I forgot br33zy |
| 02:52:55 | br33zy | ibot forget br33zy |
| 02:52:56 | kergoth | BZFlag: ipk creation is now a implicit rule that matches any targets that end in .ipk :-) |
| 02:52:59 | kergoth | br33zy: having fun yet? |
| 02:53:03 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is A young programmer that is eager to learn and expand on computer programming. He has spent lots of time with the Agenda vr3, Yopy, the C/C++ programming language, and PHP. br33zy is constantly trying to master his skills with C/C++ and possibly move on to a new language like Assembly. |
| 02:53:08 | | OK, br33zy. |
| 02:53:08 | br33zy | ibot br33zy is a programmer that does lots of stuff with PDAs and different languages. |
| 02:53:13 | br33zy | lets stick to that |
| 02:53:14 | br33zy | yup |
| 02:53:16 | br33zy | im done |
| 02:53:17 | br33zy | lol |
| 02:53:21 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: I am not sure [Thu Sep 12 16:29:17 2002] |
| 02:53:21 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 02:53:28 | br33zy | hmm |
| 02:53:34 | br33zy | oh no |
| 02:53:38 | br33zy | am i getting kicked? |
| 02:53:41 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:53:47 | br33zy | i meant no harm! |
| 02:53:48 | BZFlag | kergoth: nice. feel free to convert the .mk if you like. |
| 02:54:10 | BZFlag | br33zy: no, I just got sick of tab completion resolving to kergoth`gone |
| 02:54:20 | kergoth | BZFlag: will do, right now i'm coverting the base packages so i have a openzaurus build behaving itself again. |
| 02:54:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:54:36 | br33zy | hehe ok.. |
| 02:54:47 | BZFlag | kergoth: got ipkg build fixed? |
| 02:55:05 | br33zy | bzflag, sharp still hasnt sent back any contest stuff! |
| 02:55:09 | br33zy | no confirmation, no nothing! |
| 02:55:13 | br33zy | did i loose? |
| 02:55:13 | BZFlag | grumbles something about handhelds.org thinking the world should live in thier cvs server. |
| 02:55:17 | br33zy | i even sent them another email.. |
| 02:55:45 | BZFlag | br33zy: sorry, I have no input on the contest. just keep emailing them. |
| 02:55:52 | br33zy | ok |
| 02:55:55 | br33zy | anyone? |
| 02:55:56 | br33zy | kergoth? |
| 02:56:23 | BZFlag | br33zy: as far as I know there are no folks that are part of the contest that visit here. |
| 02:56:38 | br33zy | that sucks :-( |
| 02:56:59 | BZFlag | br33zy: email em about that too. ;-) |
| 02:57:18 | br33zy | ok.. |
| 02:58:31 | kergoth | BZFlag: spencer huang drops by from time to time |
| 02:58:36 | kergoth | br33zy: if you see "Sniper" in here, pester him |
| 02:58:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:58:49 | br33zy | ok.. |
| 03:01:21 | br33zy | grapeape? |
| 03:01:25 | br33zy | apes eat grapes? |
| 03:01:28 | br33zy | now thats cool |
| 03:01:45 | | sniper was last seen on #bzflag 2 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: thx [Fri Sep 13 11:44:59 2002] |
| 03:01:45 | BZFlag | ibot: seen sniper |
| 03:01:51 | BZFlag | sure enough. |
| 03:02:15 | | it has been said that sniper is a Sharp marketing slave |
| 03:02:15 | br33zy | ibot who sniper |
| 03:02:20 | br33zy | i see.. |
| 03:02:31 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 03:02:31 | br33zy | ibot who kergoth |
| 03:02:36 | br33zy | ahhh |
| 03:02:51 | kergoth | wow, he went away! |
| 03:02:53 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:03:14 | BZFlag | you mean it worked? ;-) |
| 03:03:17 | Wembly | hihi |
| 03:03:27 | kergoth | i'm amazed |
| 03:03:30 | br33zy | is ibot still evil? |
| 03:03:45 | kergoth | hey Wembly, hows it goin? |
| 03:04:01 | BZFlag | br33zy: evil? (/me grins evilly) |
| 03:04:04 | kergoth | br33zy: ibot's always been evil, you just didnt notice |
| 03:04:06 | Wembly | hellish |
| 03:04:10 | Wembly | i have tests comeing up :( |
| 03:04:11 | br33zy | aha |
| 03:04:14 | chouimat|ZzZzzz | did I miss something? |
| 03:04:15 | | hmmm... Wembly is a spambot |
| 03:04:15 | br33zy | ibot who Wembly |
| 03:04:32 | Wembly | cute :) |
| 03:04:39 | BZFlag | br33zy: you don't need the who. |
| 03:04:42 | | well, Wembly is a spambot |
| 03:04:42 | BZFlag | ibot: Wembly |
| 03:04:56 | br33zy | oh.. |
| 03:04:57 | br33zy | cool |
| 03:04:58 | br33zy | thanks |
| 03:05:02 | | br33zy: huh? |
| 03:05:02 | br33zy | ibot: ibot |
| 03:05:07 | | i don't know, br33zy |
| 03:05:07 | br33zy | ibot who ibot |
| 03:05:14 | | OK, br33zy. |
| 03:05:14 | br33zy | ibot ibot is an ibot. |
| 03:05:17 | | rumour has it i am an ibot |
| 03:05:17 | br33zy | ibot who ibot |
| 03:05:22 | br33zy | lol! |
| 03:06:31 | Wembly | whyfor am i a spambot? |
| 03:06:46 | | sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 03:06:46 | Onyx4 | ibot: sex |
| 03:06:49 | jbardin | anyone know howto get the size of a button the size of the pixmap that is in it? |
| 03:06:50 | br33zy | Wembly: what do you want it to say |
| 03:07:04 | Wembly | *shrug* |
| 03:07:28 | Wembly | anyhow i gotta get back to work bibi |
| 03:07:32 | br33zy | Wembly: type: ibot forget Wembly |
| 03:07:34 | br33zy | then type |
| 03:07:42 | | ...but wembly is a spambot... |
| 03:07:42 | br33zy | ibot Wembly is ........ |
| 03:07:47 | Wembly | hahah |
| 03:07:47 | br33zy | see? |
| 03:07:58 | br33zy | so |
| 03:08:00 | | br33zy: I forgot wembly |
| 03:08:00 | br33zy | ibot forget wembly |
| 03:08:09 | | OK, br33zy. |
| 03:08:09 | br33zy | ibot wembly is a post-it |
| 03:08:11 | Wembly | just wonders who tought ibot what wembly is |
| 03:08:38 | phatcat | is kergoth fixing the ipkg? |
| 03:08:47 | | br33zy: wish i knew |
| 03:08:47 | br33zy | ibot who phatcat |
| 03:08:56 | | OK, br33zy. |
| 03:08:56 | br33zy | ibot phatcat is a fat cat! |
| 03:09:00 | | phatcat is, like, a fat cat |
| 03:09:00 | br33zy | ibot who phatcat |
| 03:09:15 | phatcat | gato de gordo |
| 03:09:56 | BZFlag | Wembly: this version of infobot does not record that info. I'll be upgrading ibot sometime soon and the new one will show who did the edit. |
| 03:10:50 | br33zy | cool |
| 03:12:24 | Wembly | funfun :) |
| 03:14:15 | br33zy | moo |
| 03:14:31 | br33zy | BZFlag: do you have sl-5500? |
| 03:19:17 | br33zy | guess not.. |
| 03:19:18 | br33zy | lol |
| 03:22:24 | darienm | 2m4o5060708090o00000o00000o00000 |
| 03:23:04 | br33zy | now that looks prety freakin cool |
| 03:27:23 | BZFlag | br33zy: no, but I have access to them in the office. I have 3 sl-5000s |
| 03:27:51 | br33zy | cool |
| 03:27:53 | br33zy | howd you get 3? |
| 03:28:30 | BZFlag | 1 is Lineo's 1 I bought early on, 1 I traded for. |
| 03:36:42 | br33zy | i see |
| 03:39:39 | | somebody said ljp was currently an earthling from the planet Mergatroid or http://llornkcor.com |
| 03:39:39 | br33zy | ibot who ljp |
| 03:39:50 | | rumour has it warmi is here |
| 03:39:50 | br33zy | ibot who warmi |
| 03:40:00 | br33zy | really? |
| 03:40:01 | br33zy | now ay |
| 03:40:03 | br33zy | no way* |
| 03:41:15 | BZFlag | br33zy: please msg ibot instead of talking on the channel. k? in xchat (which you are using) "/query ibot" will open a direct chat window for you. |
| 03:41:29 | W|GGL|T | or just plain /msg |
| 03:41:34 | br33zy | okiedokie |
| 03:41:37 | br33zy | if you insist |
| 03:42:03 | BZFlag | well, off to bed |
| 03:42:25 | cranch | what up peeps |
| 03:43:53 | cranch | nobody home again :( |
| 03:44:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:45:33 | cranch | Is there a new initrd out with all the new stuff in it already? |
| 03:45:40 | cranch | I know you can make one |
| 03:47:54 | cranch | I need one with Opera/Hancom apps in it :P |
| 03:47:55 | cranch | haha |
| 03:48:00 | cranch | buildroot fixed yet? |
| 03:51:55 | Pen | I've used intellisync before with Palm OS devices, but I wasn't that impressed |
| 03:52:19 | Pen | does Q Desktop offer any more features than intellisync (aside from the outlook thing) |
| 03:53:44 | Pen | I like the idea of running the same thing on the pc as the pda, but I do need outlook |
| 03:54:27 | WormLunch | Q Desktop doesnt work along with intellisync |
| 03:54:37 | WormLunch | its either/or |
| 03:54:40 | Pen | I know, I'm trying to decide which to use |
| 03:54:54 | WormLunch | i use intellisync, although its not really the nicest thing around |
| 03:55:07 | Pen | Q Desktop would seem to have more features, more close to a Zaurus owners needs, but intellisync a) sucks and b) is generalized |
| 03:55:40 | WormLunch | yeah |
| 03:55:53 | WormLunch | but i heard you can also use PalmDesktop with intellisync |
| 03:56:50 | Pen | I sold my PalmOS devices to get the Zaurus, so that is no longer a concern |
| 03:57:41 | Pen | I could use Q, and use 802.11b to get my email |
| 03:58:01 | Pen | and thus have no reason to use intellisync unless something else is better in it |
| 04:00:30 | cranch | come to me kergoth |
| 04:00:34 | cranch | :) |
| 04:08:54 | antadam | anyone home? |
| 04:10:03 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 04:19:35 | kergoth | wtf |
| 04:19:44 | kergoth | at&t's dns servers here just dropped |
| 04:19:48 | kergoth | cant resolve a damn thing |
| 04:21:25 | kergoth | fuckers. |
| 04:21:56 | kergoth | can someone look up the ip of cvs.sf.net for me? |
| 04:21:59 | kergoth | i need to commit some shit |
| 04:22:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:22:29 | darienm | 216.136.171.202 |
| 04:22:36 | kergoth | thanks |
| 04:24:24 | kergoth | blah, i should sleep |
| 04:50:57 | scanline | is back (gone 16:30:26) |
| 04:54:06 | SPeedy2 | re |
| 04:58:02 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 04:58:37 | Peter_North | how many cpu's and memory can linux have? |
| 05:02:45 | erikd | is there any way to make uic put the header files in the same dir as the ui file? i'm having a problem where it puts it in the root dir and not the ui dir |
| 05:02:52 | erikd | peter: i think it's 64 atm |
| 05:02:58 | erikd | procs |
| 05:03:04 | erikd | and like 4TB of mem |
| 05:03:13 | erikd | or maybe that's the 64bit version |
| 05:25:20 | mutexer | how do I format my cf? it got corrupted |
| 05:28:07 | erikd | i think you format it just like a normal floppy or something |
| 05:29:21 | mutexer | whats the command? |
| 05:29:39 | erikd | do you want fat32 or ext2? |
| 05:29:57 | mutexer | fat16 would be the best |
| 05:30:05 | erikd | hmm |
| 05:30:39 | mutexer | fat32 will be ok I guess |
| 05:31:00 | erikd | uhmmm... try mkfs.msdos <device> |
| 05:32:08 | WormLunch | mkfs.msdos /dev/card i believe |
| 05:32:23 | mutexer | mkfs.msdos: /dev/sda1 contains a mounted file system. |
| 05:32:39 | mutexer | err |
| 05:32:41 | erikd | umount /mnt/cf |
| 05:32:46 | mutexer | guess I need to unmount it |
| 05:32:50 | erikd | that's where it gets mounted, right? |
| 05:32:54 | erikd | bleh |
| 05:32:57 | erikd | i really need my z |
| 05:33:19 | WormLunch | try installing formatter |
| 05:33:20 | WormLunch | hehe |
| 05:33:29 | WormLunch | but its just a front end to the commands |
| 05:34:42 | mutexer | argg... cp keeps hanging |
| 05:38:06 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzzz... |
| 06:29:50 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 06:54:40 | mutexer | hey |
| 07:37:07 | comfrey | anyone know expected release of next OZ? |
| 10:34:05 | imm | hi |
| 11:40:47 | benmeyer | morning |
| 11:40:53 | imm | hi |
| 11:40:59 | erikd | ben! ben! ben! |
| 11:41:08 | erikd | !@#$ |
| 11:41:24 | erikd | can i talk to you about my z? |
| 11:41:28 | benmeyer | Sure |
| 11:41:29 | erikd | it still hasn't come yet |
| 11:41:31 | imm | erikd: :) |
| 11:41:33 | benmeyer | something wrong with it? |
| 11:41:38 | benmeyer | did you get the e-mail? |
| 11:41:54 | imm | benmeyer: which email ? |
| 11:41:58 | erikd | darien got the email that said it was probably being shipped out on that following monday |
| 11:42:04 | erikd | if that's the one |
| 11:42:32 | benmeyer | yup |
| 11:42:43 | benmeyer | and today is monday |
| 11:42:44 | erikd | it hasn't come yet =/ |
| 11:42:49 | erikd | noo |
| 11:42:52 | benmeyer | me and spencer just got back from the show |
| 11:42:57 | erikd | the monday like 2 weeks ago |
| 11:43:04 | erikd | the monday after the beta was due |
| 11:43:48 | erikd | the email was sent on the 23rd |
| 11:44:00 | erikd | "The unit will probably be shipped out Monday." |
| 11:44:09 | imm | i got no email |
| 11:44:10 | erikd | is there a way to find out if it was? |
| 11:44:31 | benmeyer | ok, well a lot of them havn't been shipped out |
| 11:44:34 | benmeyer | and will be soon |
| 11:44:35 | benmeyer | ok? |
| 11:44:41 | erikd | ah |
| 11:44:54 | erikd | can i find out if mine is one of them? :) |
| 11:45:02 | erikd | just for some peace of mind |
| 11:46:16 | imm | benmeyer: how was IDF ? |
| 11:47:05 | benmeyer | boring |
| 11:47:09 | benmeyer | tiring |
| 11:47:13 | erikd | heh |
| 11:47:24 | erikd | was there -any- cool stuff there? |
| 11:48:13 | benmeyer | yah, those insainly high res monitors |
| 11:48:31 | benmeyer | fat 22" widescreens running at 3800x2600 or somthing |
| 11:48:35 | benmeyer | flat |
| 11:48:42 | erikd | ohh |
| 11:48:50 | benmeyer | other goodies |
| 11:48:56 | benmeyer | more evolution and not inovation |
| 11:49:07 | erikd | was looking into a uxga+ lcd for the next box he's building but found they're $1500+ =/ |
| 11:49:11 | imm | benmeyer: can we have a zaurus with 3800x2600 ? |
| 11:49:18 | erikd | hah |
| 11:49:32 | tux_mike | erikd: desktop box? |
| 11:49:54 | erikd | tux: yeah |
| 11:50:07 | erikd | i've been spoiled by my lappy... |
| 11:50:21 | erikd | i can't use a display that's not at least a 16x12 lcd |
| 11:50:23 | tux_mike | i didn't know they sold them for desktops yet |
| 11:50:40 | erikd | yeah, viewsonic has one |
| 11:50:53 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 11:51:23 | tux_mike | i'd like 1600x1200, but i'm happy with getting 1280x600 |
| 11:51:26 | erikd | http://www.neutronexpress.com/prod.cfm/197688/BENQ/Acer_CM/FP2081 |
| 11:51:30 | erikd | there's an acer |
| 11:51:44 | erikd | the viewsonic is $2000+ |
| 11:52:04 | tux_mike | erikd: this is 20", it's a normal 75DPI monitor |
| 11:52:15 | tux_mike | it's not the 140DPI that UXGA+ is |
| 11:52:25 | erikd | ah |
| 11:52:27 | tux_mike | well, it may be 100 |
| 11:52:36 | tux_mike | but it's not like the 16x12 laptop displays |
| 11:52:57 | erikd | mmm |
| 11:55:32 | cranch | what up |
| 11:55:46 | bipolar | hello everyone |
| 11:56:03 | cranch | anyone know if the buildroot is fixed? |
| 11:56:20 | tux_mike | erikd: i want the toshiba libretto, it has 1280x600 display in a mere 10" diagonal :) |
| 11:56:53 | bipolar | I was hoping a new initrd would be sitting on openzaurus.sf.net for me to install this morning. heh |
| 11:58:00 | cranch | me too |
| 11:58:08 | cranch | too bad kergoth is sleeping |
| 11:58:45 | erikd | tux: wow, nice |
| 11:58:56 | erikd | wouldn't that just be a -little- too small |
| 11:58:58 | erikd | ? |
| 12:02:18 | tux_mike | i saw a sorny picturebook on friday that has an 8" 1280x600 screen and it was just a bit too small, so i'm guessing the 2 more inches will really help. besides it is the same 140dpi that the UXGA+ displays are |
| 12:02:58 | erikd | grrrr... i don't think i'll ever be able to use quanta again =/ |
| 12:03:01 | numatrix | is back (gone 63:13:18) |
| 12:03:11 | erikd | anyone know another ide type thing for php? |
| 12:03:14 | erikd | (for linux) |
| 12:03:42 | cranch | Anyone know if there is a new initrd.bin out yet? |
| 12:03:48 | cranch | that at least has all the updates on it? |
| 12:04:09 | tux_mike | IDE? Wuss :P |
| 12:05:16 | erikd | well i like my syntax highlighting :) |
| 12:05:36 | erikd | and vim is being stupid on me |
| 12:05:46 | erikd | hey darien |
| 12:05:55 | darienm | !! any news on your Z, erikd ? |
| 12:06:21 | darienm | ahh.. I see. now. "haven't been shipped out" |
| 12:06:35 | erikd | yeah... but i dunno if mine's one of 'em or not |
| 12:06:39 | darienm | well that kinda, uh. sux. |
| 12:06:51 | erikd | mmhmm |
| 12:06:54 | darienm | nothing like keeping to a published timeline/schedule... |
| 12:07:09 | tux_mike | erikd: you could try quanta |
| 12:07:32 | erikd | quanta won't run for me |
| 12:07:44 | erikd | i just compiled pr1 and pr2a of the latest version |
| 12:07:51 | erikd | neither would run... i get errors =/ |
| 12:08:10 | erikd | kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 49, expecting version 59 or higher. |
| 12:08:11 | erikd | kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found |
| 12:08:15 | erikd | look familiar? |
| 12:11:19 | cranch | nobody has a new initrd.bin image with the new stuff in it :( |
| 12:13:42 | ciaolinux | imm: I have missed what ben said about the Z (arrived here too late, i guess)... have the Z been shipped? |
| 12:14:18 | BigBoss | erikd: use quantagold instead |
| 12:15:38 | darienm | ciaolinux: some have, some have NOT. |
| 12:16:06 | ciaolinux | darienm: I am in the second category, i guess. did he say when he is going to ship the other? |
| 12:16:07 | darienm | ciaolinux: Sure would be convenient if a list was published about who was to receive one, and when it was shipped, and the tracking ID. |
| 12:16:33 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: is that possible? ;-) |
| 12:16:35 | darienm | ciaolinux: Hinted that it might be today... but only if you read between lines. |
| 12:17:07 | ciaolinux | let's pray for it! :-) |
| 12:17:30 | ciaolinux | do you know where do they ship from? |
| 12:18:03 | erikd | bigboss: yeah, i was going to install that demo. i dunno if i'm going to pay $40 for it, though |
| 12:18:04 | darienm | Vena Cava on the dark side of Saturn |
| 12:18:10 | erikd | maybe i'll convince my boss to get it for me :) |
| 12:18:26 | darienm | slaps erikd. SPEND MONEY on software ! |
| 12:18:52 | erikd | can't spend money if you don't have it :) |
| 12:19:13 | erikd | he's going to give me a down payment on the next site i'm working on so i'll prolly get it with that |
| 12:19:22 | imm | erikd: they are some other php ides around, but most are payware |
| 12:19:39 | erikd | i'll have to make my own sometime :) |
| 12:21:35 | erikd | tries out quanta gold |
| 12:22:28 | erikd | hmm |
| 12:22:30 | erikd | i like this |
| 12:23:23 | erikd | geh |
| 12:23:32 | erikd | crashed =/ |
| 12:24:41 | erikd | i probably don't have a required lib |
| 12:24:57 | erikd | blah for rpm's and their dependancies that don't work on gentoo |
| 12:26:19 | tux_mike | what's the dep problem? |
| 12:27:28 | Wintre | Heh, don't brother trying to install RPMs across distributions |
| 12:27:33 | Wintre | s/bro/bo/ |
| 12:27:39 | Wintre | More trouble than it's worth in all likelihood |
| 12:28:09 | tux_mike | well, usually a rebuild of an rpm is in order |
| 12:28:35 | Wintre | That can be painful as well, depending upon the names of packages in requires and build-requires lines, for example |
| 12:29:31 | erikd | tux: the fact i don't really install all my stuff via rpm so i never have any deps and if i want to install it at all i have to use --nodeps |
| 12:30:10 | tux_mike | lol |
| 12:30:19 | erikd | and by doing that i'm not positive i have the required stuff |
| 12:30:49 | erikd | bigboss: is there a way i could pay extra for quantagold if i got it and got the source to it so i can compile it myself? |
| 12:30:52 | tux_mike | well, then always recompile |
| 12:31:07 | tux_mike | ./configure will tell you when you bork it |
| 12:31:10 | darienm | hahahah - erikd asking for source |
| 12:31:16 | erikd | yup :) |
| 12:31:21 | erikd | worth a shot |
| 12:31:35 | erikd | the rpm's obviously not working =/ |
| 12:31:41 | erikd | (in my case) |
| 12:31:50 | Wintre | erikd: Use alien |
| 12:31:56 | erikd | i guess that's what i get for using a source based distro, eh? |
| 12:32:03 | erikd | wintre: debs aren't much better |
| 12:32:05 | erikd | :) |
| 12:32:11 | erikd | well |
| 12:32:12 | Wintre | erikd: alien will also generate .tar.gz filse |
| 12:32:13 | erikd | no |
| 12:32:19 | erikd | debs are -tons- better |
| 12:32:23 | erikd | wintre: oh? hmm |
| 12:32:33 | Wintre | No, debs aren't much better than RPMs. |
| 12:32:33 | tux_mike | bah |
| 12:32:34 | tux_mike | rpm |
| 12:32:37 | erikd | will it make sure i have the deps? |
| 12:33:00 | erikd | because i got it to install correctly, it just crashes when i try to open a file :) |
| 12:33:05 | Wintre | It's all the rest of Debian that's good, like its size and policies and the scripts which make everything just work |
| 12:33:38 | erikd | /usr/local/quanta/quanta-x11-x86: relocation error: /usr/local/quanta/quanta-x11-x86: undefined symbol: __dynamic_cast_2 |
| 12:33:48 | darienm | Ugh - looking at the QuantaGold screenshots for Mac OS X - some of the ugliest icons I've ever seen on this platform. |
| 12:34:17 | erikd | it dies with that when i try to open a file (over an smb share) |
| 12:34:18 | tux_mike | erikd: i assume a bad link |
| 12:34:27 | erikd | hmm |
| 12:34:29 | tux_mike | recompile |
| 12:34:37 | erikd | recompile what? |
| 12:34:48 | tux_mike | quanta |
| 12:35:13 | erikd | i'm using quantagold from tkc |
| 12:35:17 | erikd | the demo |
| 12:35:35 | BigBoss | what platform? |
| 12:35:38 | erikd | quanta plus (the OSS one) won't even get this far |
| 12:35:44 | erikd | gentoo linux 1.2 |
| 12:35:51 | tux_mike | ah |
| 12:35:57 | BigBoss | there isn't a pre-built one that is going to work |
| 12:36:03 | BigBoss | that is the problem with gentoo |
| 12:36:08 | erikd | yeah, i'm finding that =/ |
| 12:36:20 | erikd | <erikd> bigboss: is there a way i could pay extra for quantagold if i got it and got the source to it so i can compile |
| 12:36:21 | erikd | it myself? |
| 12:36:22 | erikd | =) |
| 12:36:38 | tux_mike | big: you may need to recompile a lot of your apps soon, RedHat is switching to GCC 3.2 in it's next version |
| 12:36:57 | BigBoss | erikd: the license of QG provides that you get the source with your purchase. That said, the source for the latest release hasn't been put up yet, but will be this week |
| 12:37:02 | erikd | at least quantagold -runs-. quanta plus won't even open the main window |
| 12:37:10 | BigBoss | tux_mike: we've already been dealing with it as part of the beta's |
| 12:37:12 | erikd | bigboss: ooh, nice |
| 12:37:19 | BigBoss | erikd: did you use the static or shared version of the app? |
| 12:37:29 | BigBoss | the static one could or should work |
| 12:37:32 | erikd | uhm, let me check |
| 12:37:43 | tux_mike | bigboss: ok. do you know if the new versions of GCC give a good performance increase? |
| 12:37:53 | BigBoss | the problem is that both RedHat and Mandrake are using what is essentially a beta of gcc 3.2 |
| 12:38:06 | tux_mike | ... |
| 12:38:09 | BigBoss | once everyone is on a final version of 3.2 then a lot of our headaches will go away, but it's going to be a while |
| 12:38:25 | BigBoss | tux_mike: I haven't really clocked it, we've just seen that compiles are way slower than they were |
| 12:38:25 | erikd | whatever the rh7.3 one is? prolly dynamic |
| 12:38:46 | BigBoss | oh that's right, we didn't put the static ones up yet. Later today |
| 12:38:53 | tux_mike | isn't 3.2 full release, or are they using the beta 3.2.1? |
| 12:39:01 | erikd | ah |
| 12:39:53 | erikd | geh, almost time for class |
| 12:39:55 | erikd | shower, bbiab |
| 12:40:19 | BigBoss | tux_mike: both redhat and mandrake are rushing the developers because they want new releases out now, so 3.2 isn't really done |
| 12:40:24 | BigBoss | redhat employes most of them |
| 12:40:35 | BigBoss | the mandrake beta process has been a nightmare |
| 12:40:45 | tux_mike | mandrake is a nightmare |
| 12:41:55 | tux_mike | how long do you suppose it will take? |
| 12:45:30 | Xentac | is back (gone 10:16:16) |
| 12:47:53 | BigBoss | what will take? |
| 12:50:18 | erikd | ahhh, all clean |
| 12:52:53 | erikd | bigboss: are there any plans in the future to develop software to let the z sync with aethera? |
| 12:53:05 | erikd | or is it a possibility? |
| 12:59:17 | cutm | morning |
| 13:00:44 | erikd | heya |
| 13:06:43 | BigBoss | erikd: that is exactly our plan |
| 13:07:05 | erikd | bigboss: nice, i'm looking forward to it :) |
| 13:07:29 | erikd | and it's qt based so it's not ugly like evolution =) |
| 13:11:06 | erikd | bigboss: does the source for QG come with docs on the plugin api? |
| 13:13:16 | BigBoss | erikd: no it doesn't, mostly because it is changing |
| 13:13:23 | erikd | ah, ok |
| 13:18:48 | Com[Plex] | is ther somerthing wrong wityh the opie-keypebble.ipk ? |
| 13:19:08 | Com[Plex] | it says its not ion tar.gz format,. - its also not in .tar format, or .gz format either |
| 13:22:29 | benmeyer | ar |
| 13:22:52 | erikd | bbl |
| 13:22:53 | erikd | class |
| 13:24:57 | | rumour has it opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation |
| 13:24:57 | prodigy007 | ibot opie |
| 13:27:09 | TrekCycling | anyone here know of software that let's you switch between wireless LANS without having to hand-enter all the information? |
| 13:27:28 | TrekCycling | or should I just cp wireless.opts wireless.opts.1 or something like that? |
| 13:27:49 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 13:28:00 | Cloudchaser | that would be a handy tool trek, wouldn't it? |
| 13:28:09 | TrekCycling | yeah. |
| 13:28:20 | TrekCycling | I figured someone may have made one already |
| 13:29:10 | kergoth`gone | TrekCycling: the ability already exists in pcmcia-cs, using 'scheme's, its just the GUI config tools dont have a means of using or changing them |
| 13:29:15 | kergoth | morning btw :-) |
| 13:29:33 | TrekCycling | morning |
| 13:29:36 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin kergoth |
| 13:29:51 | TrekCycling | so what does that mean, kergoth? |
| 13:30:19 | kergoth | TrekCycling: it means you can switch between preset configurations easily if you know how to alter the configuration files right |
| 13:30:25 | kergoth | its just hte gui that doesnt accomidate it |
| 13:30:44 | TrekCycling | does that mean it's something I can hand enter, though? |
| 13:31:45 | kergoth | TrekCycling: theoretically, yes. the current 'scheme' is set in /etc/pcmcia.conf (default is LANTCPIP, which is the only one the netsetup tool knows how to deal with) |
| 13:32:34 | numatrix | Anybody know why installing opie-appskey screws up the ability to use the home key to cycle through tabs? |
| 13:32:47 | numatrix | Is that a known bug, or should I submit a bug-report? |
| 13:33:27 | TrekCycling | I see no pcmcia.conf in etc |
| 13:34:33 | kergoth | TrekCycling: you on the sharp rom then? |
| 13:34:38 | JasonNJ | morning dudes |
| 13:34:39 | TrekCycling | yeah |
| 13:34:41 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ |
| 13:34:54 | kergoth | TrekCycling: ah, then i think you still can, but i'm not sure how to do it, using wlan-ng |
| 13:34:55 | prodigy007 | btw, are there any IRC clients for the zaurus sl-5500? |
| 13:34:57 | kergoth | TrekCycling: google it |
| 13:35:03 | JasonNJ | prodigy: yes |
| 13:35:08 | kergoth | prodigy007: opie-irc, tkcJabber, zic |
| 13:35:12 | kergoth | prodigy007: three options to date |
| 13:35:13 | prodigy007 | cool :) |
| 13:35:22 | prodigy007 | I'll soon have the z in house :) |
| 13:35:28 | JasonNJ | kergoth: any new news? |
| 13:35:57 | kergoth | JasonNJ: been busy as hell, but I did manage to get the OZ buildroot environment being *much* more sane, which will facilitate nightly autobuilt unstable initrd.bin's |
| 13:36:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: next step for me is to split the oz feed into 'testing' and 'unstable', and get back to work on the kernel. |
| 13:37:31 | JasonNJ | very cool. |
| 13:38:34 | warmi | hi |
| 13:39:39 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:40:34 | kergoth | hey warmi, chouimat |
| 13:40:48 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 13:41:15 | JasonNJ | hey kergoth, you got any experience with serial device drivers? |
| 13:41:41 | JasonNJ | like ppp interface type stuff? |
| 13:41:45 | kergoth | JasonNJ: a bit, I was going to rewrite digi's epca linux driver one of these days, cant find the time |
| 13:41:57 | kergoth | well, there's nothing special about a ppp interface |
| 13:41:57 | JasonNJ | hmm. |
| 13:42:03 | kergoth | ppp runs over any tty |
| 13:42:04 | JasonNJ | Can you get Sprint Vision where you live? |
| 13:42:12 | kergoth | hmm, not certain, i can check |
| 13:42:17 | JasonNJ | k, find out |
| 13:42:47 | kergoth | k |
| 13:42:57 | Xentac | is away: werk |
| 13:43:01 | JasonNJ | so bassidcally, if a CF card enumerates itself with a serial interface, writing a ppp driver for it is a no brainer right |
| 13:44:31 | TrekCycling | damn. I can't find these settings anywhere. |
| 13:46:48 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:48:44) |
| 13:47:45 | TrekCycling | found it |
| 13:47:47 | TrekCycling | weird |
| 13:47:57 | kergoth | brb |
| 13:50:23 | whardier | I am nasaly challenged today |
| 13:52:47 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 13:53:06 | warmi | hi tux |
| 13:53:28 | tux_mike | still no call. |
| 13:53:44 | warmi | tux: I will ask |
| 13:53:57 | tux_mike | thanks :) |
| 13:53:59 | warmi | had a rough weekend |
| 13:54:04 | tux_mike | moving? |
| 13:54:13 | warmi | problems with some of our products at work |
| 13:54:22 | tux_mike | ah |
| 13:54:31 | warmi | basically we launched a new service and there were some problems |
| 13:54:54 | tux_mike | well, that should be expected :) |
| 13:55:04 | tux_mike | always expects new stuff to blow up |
| 13:55:30 | warmi | well, generally it works ok |
| 13:55:35 | warmi | it is just we rushed this one |
| 13:55:47 | warmi | due to a great demand |
| 13:55:48 | warmi | etc |
| 13:55:51 | warmi | typical bullcrap |
| 13:55:55 | tux_mike | yah |
| 13:56:23 | tux_mike | managed to put the next nail in the coffin for his cell phone |
| 13:56:30 | tux_mike | flip gave way |
| 13:56:49 | tux_mike | so, now i can only use my headset |
| 13:57:34 | warmi | man, now I have to go to that United Way fundraiser |
| 13:57:36 | warmi | great |
| 13:58:00 | tux_mike | and it's a pain in the arse to open it now |
| 14:17:16 | darienm | who is Ralf Waspe? |
| 14:17:21 | darienm | in this channel? |
| 14:18:02 | | rumour has it harlekin is one of the OPIE coordinators or responsible for "today" and some other sh.. , mail : mailto:harlekin@handhelds.org |
| 14:18:02 | darienm | ibot harlekin |
| 14:18:46 | ljp_work | coordinator?!? |
| 14:18:47 | whardier | sh... |
| 14:19:12 | whardier | ljp_work: he set up the million pingizauru walk.. did oyu miss that? |
| 14:19:22 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 14:19:25 | ljp_work | I guess I did |
| 14:19:33 | whardier | heh |
| 14:20:00 | ljp_work | is that why he's been trying to boss me around lately |
| 14:20:50 | tux_mike | hungry |
| 14:21:40 | Morke|whereraind | hi there... |
| 14:22:53 | Morke|whereraind | i've been searching for image viewers, but the only good tool yet i found was mooview - which can handle large images what i need. but it can't zoom into them as far as i could see. |
| 14:23:27 | tux_mike | tkcGallery |
| 14:23:48 | Morke|whereraind | i noticed that one. but can it zoom in? |
| 14:24:04 | tux_mike | i belive so, double check with BigBoss |
| 14:24:32 | tux_mike | or post to the tkc mailing lis |
| 14:24:33 | tux_mike | t |
| 14:25:05 | BigBoss | yes it can zoom in |
| 14:25:09 | Morke|whereraind | waa, again another $10. |
| 14:25:24 | tux_mike | so, it's only $10 |
| 14:26:09 | Morkeleb | when updates of the software come out, do i have access to it after buying it? |
| 14:26:15 | tux_mike | yes |
| 14:26:18 | Morkeleb | ok |
| 14:26:45 | Morkeleb | anyone had experience with djvu? |
| 14:27:13 | tux_mike | no. not besides testing it |
| 14:27:59 | Morkeleb | cause i could not load any .djvu file. the mimetype seemes not have been registered. |
| 14:28:10 | darienm | http://store1.yimg.com/I/pokeorder_1703_7293069 << Does this seem to resemble Pingizauru to you? |
| 14:28:14 | Morkeleb | and theres no way to open with the program itself |
| 14:28:44 | tux_mike | if you edit the mime.types file you can fix it |
| 14:32:33 | Morkeleb | doing find -name 'mime.types' ... |
| 14:32:58 | tux_mike | i don't remember if that's the exact name |
| 14:33:02 | tux_mike | it's something like it |
| 14:33:17 | tux_mike | poke around in the /opt and /etc directories |
| 14:33:32 | kergoth | Morkeleb: /opt/Qtopia/etc iirc |
| 14:34:01 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
| 14:34:03 | whardier | anybody have some bush in hand? |
| 14:34:04 | whardier | hehe |
| 14:34:55 | kergoth | hey tux_mike |
| 14:34:57 | Morkeleb | is there a editor like pico? i'm getting sick of vi |
| 14:35:57 | whardier | nano |
| 14:36:02 | whardier | nanoo nanoo@ |
| 14:36:12 | tux_mike | pico? yuck! |
| 14:36:22 | Morkeleb | i like it :) |
| 14:36:40 | whardier | hehe |
| 14:36:40 | whardier | vi |
| 14:36:42 | whardier | wow |
| 14:36:46 | tux_mike | it's so dumb. it adds linefeeds at 80 chars. it can really fsck up things |
| 14:36:59 | whardier | here is what I think.. I did not get into linux using vi |
| 14:37:05 | whardier | so its very ass backwards feeling |
| 14:37:35 | Wintre | vi's really powerful and fast once you get to know it |
| 14:37:44 | Wintre | vim is even better |
| 14:37:54 | tux_mike | i didn't start using vi on *nix, either, but after pico managed to mangle up many of my files, i switched |
| 14:38:02 | Wintre | Indeed |
| 14:40:57 | whardier | tux_mike: yeah nano fixed that |
| 14:41:07 | whardier | I use primarily nano |
| 14:41:11 | whardier | then for any editing I use jed |
| 14:41:18 | whardier | nano is just a quick way to do conf files |
| 14:41:40 | whardier | I woould use jed for that as well but.. I like confusing myself |
| 14:41:51 | whardier | massochist for the masses! |
| 14:41:57 | kergoth | i started on emacs, despised the keybindings at first use, then switched to nano for a *long* time, and finally dumped it for vim/vi |
| 14:42:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:42:45 | tux_mike | i don't use many of the advanced features of vi |
| 14:42:46 | whardier | a friend is going to initiate himself to vim soon |
| 14:42:53 | whardier | I usually get sucked into whatever he uses after a while |
| 14:42:59 | whardier | except for dvorak |
| 14:43:29 | whardier | there's too much qwerty in my world |
| 14:44:09 | Morkeleb | so i added image/djvu djvu djv to the mimetypes. now the explorer lists it correctly, and i can do a open in djvu, but it doesnt do anything. the icon appears in the task but the program doesnt open up, aver typing on it a few times it appears but does not display the file. |
| 14:44:47 | kergoth | Morkeleb: sounds like the app isnt handling the setDocument call right |
| 14:45:09 | warmi_away | what is nano ? a vi clone ? |
| 14:45:15 | Morkeleb | or it cant handle the document itself. |
| 14:45:29 | kergoth | warmi_away: free version of pcio |
| 14:45:33 | kergoth | warmi_away: (or rather, open source) |
| 14:45:37 | warmi_away | oh right .. now I remember |
| 14:45:43 | warmi_away | but pico is already free :-) |
| 14:45:44 | Morkeleb | i created a test djvu file, but did not find a monocrome option. and it states somewhere that its only tested for that |
| 14:46:14 | treke | warmi_away: pico has some odd licensning issues |
| 14:46:44 | warmi_away | like not adhering to Gnu definition of free ? |
| 14:47:15 | treke | pretty much. |
| 14:47:51 | warmi_away | http://slashdot.org/articles/01/07/03/1529226.shtml |
| 14:47:52 | tux_mike | i'm guessing RMS doesn't use pico :) |
| 14:47:54 | mjn3 | kergoth: is the "survive" app from the sharp roms included anywhere in oz? |
| 14:47:58 | treke | hehe |
| 14:48:01 | warmi_away | there you go if somebody cares |
| 14:48:53 | treke | doesnt have too much of an issue with pines licensing. at least as I remember it |
| 14:49:09 | warmi_away | I don' have any problems with any licensing |
| 14:49:13 | Wintre | Pine's probably sufficiently free-as-in-beer |
| 14:49:30 | warmi_away | I mean, take it or leave it :-) |
| 14:49:36 | warmi_away | as long as I have that choice , everything is fine |
| 14:49:48 | treke | warmi_away: Well I can leave it. Doesnt mean I cant dislike the license |
| 14:50:24 | warmi_away | sure, but what I oppose to is that Gnu notion that there are "moral" and not so moral ( or evil) licenses |
| 14:50:30 | kergoth | mjn3: I dont think I ever got around to adding it, no. Thought it'd be a good idea. without it, Lineo's oomkiller could kill off opie |
| 14:52:38 | mjn3 | kergoth: google pulled up some docs on it. http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/source/survive110.asp |
| 14:53:25 | tux_mike | kergoth: as it does, i had opie killed many times this weekend trying to read the jargon file :) |
| 14:56:16 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 14:56:19 | tux_mike | polaris |
| 14:56:26 | tux_mike | i hate irc scripts |
| 14:56:42 | kergoth | i'd rather use strict overcommit than oomkill on a pda, myself |
| 14:56:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:57:16 | tux_mike | what's strict overcommit? |
| 14:57:44 | kergoth | tux_mike: from what i understand, prevents getting into a oom condition in the first place |
| 14:57:59 | tux_mike | how do you manage that? |
| 14:58:26 | Morkeleb | good. bought tkcgallery. will test it tonight. - ive got another problem though: dialin via gprs wont wont work. ir connection ok, and even connection to provider ok, and also part of authentification, but after that it drops connection. see http://hironimo.sytes.net/test/gprs-ppp-log.txt |
| 14:58:26 | kergoth | I do not understand the details, I havent had time to learn about it. |
| 14:58:28 | Morkeleb | ny ideasß |
| 14:58:38 | Morkeleb | +a ? |
| 14:59:38 | tux_mike | who is your GPRS provider? |
| 15:00:27 | tux_mike | it prolly isn't authenticating properly |
| 15:00:55 | numatrix | Morkeleb: dunno if someone already responded, but I just happened to see you asking about pico for the zaurus--did someone point you to it yet? |
| 15:02:41 | Morkeleb | no, numatrix |
| 15:03:25 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 15:03:53 | Morkeleb | mike: my provider is called one. but you won't know it. its in austria. you can see in the log that it doesnt like the proposed protocol after authentification, but i dunno what to do about it. |
| 15:05:40 | tweeky | hi |
| 15:06:21 | tweeky | do you know who is tweek or who it belongs to ? |
| 15:08:40 | tux_mike | kergoth: ping |
| 15:09:23 | Morkeleb | strange question, tweeky. first you refer to tweek (yourself?) as "it" and then as "who". explain. |
| 15:09:37 | darienm | someone has his desired nick. |
| 15:09:45 | Morkeleb | uh |
| 15:09:59 | Morkeleb | right |
| 15:12:16 | tweeky | Morkeleb: my registered nickname is tweek... but the guy whose nick is tweek know looks like he doesn't know |
| 15:12:32 | tweeky | now -not know) |
| 15:12:45 | kergoth | tweeky: who cares? if its registered, ghost him offline |
| 15:12:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:12:54 | tweeky | and I'm fed up with killing him all the time ! |
| 15:13:00 | kergoth | qh |
| 15:13:02 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:13:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:13:26 | tweeky | I told him several times... I killed him several times too... but he never asweared |
| 15:13:34 | tweeky | I was wondering if it was a bot |
| 15:14:11 | | pico is a text editor used by people incapable of writing files with cat or in this package http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/zaurus/zutilsvol1.zip |
| 15:14:11 | numatrix | ibot: pico |
| 15:14:51 | numatrix | Morkeleb: check that second link. |
| 15:14:55 | kergoth | 1407 entries written to /usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot-oz/build/ipktemp/ncurses-5.2-2/usr/share/terminfo |
| 15:15:08 | kergoth | jeeze, i think 1407 terminfo entries is excessive for a Z :) |
| 15:15:36 | numatrix | Crap, crap, crap. Opie's freezing up on boot. Not good. |
| 15:15:47 | benmeyer | What do you have to do to have it boot into a console? |
| 15:15:49 | benmeyer | hit a? |
| 15:15:51 | benmeyer | at booting? |
| 15:16:03 | numatrix | Wtf; the power switch doesn't work in OZ? |
| 15:16:11 | tux_mike | wonders if it's possible to hack link detection to dhcpcd |
| 15:16:29 | Morkeleb | tweeky: tried a ghost command already? |
| 15:16:49 | tweeky | Morkeleb: I can recover the nick whenever I want... But I want him to stop using it ! :) |
| 15:17:10 | Morkeleb | hm, i guess when you see him using it next time try contacting him |
| 15:17:37 | tweeky | I tried... I'm trying... but he does not answear... that's why I was wondering if it was a bot... ... ... |
| 15:17:48 | numatrix | kergoth: the battery switch doesn't act as a power switch in OZ? |
| 15:17:57 | numatrix | kergoth: I just had to use the reset button to shut it off... |
| 15:18:02 | mjn3 | kergoth: indeed. the full terminfo dir tree is overkill |
| 15:18:04 | Morkeleb | some irc servers won't let u use a registered nick anyway unless you give the password. pitty this one isnt |
| 15:18:27 | tweeky | yep... the kill option is unavaible |
| 15:18:35 | tweeky | the auto kill one |
| 15:18:51 | tweeky | and the immed doesn't seem to work |
| 15:19:45 | tweeky | well... nevermind... thanks for having listened to my craps ;) |
| 15:19:49 | tweeky | have a nice day ! |
| 15:19:56 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 54 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: yes it can zoom in [Mon Sep 16 15:25:05 2002] |
| 15:19:56 | fusion94 | ibot: seen BigBoss |
| 15:22:09 | BigBoss | hey fusioin |
| 15:22:23 | BigBoss | i've had that little Jaguar question hanging for a couple days :) |
| 15:22:44 | chouimat | is listening to Symphony X |
| 15:23:13 | Morkeleb | anyone has experience with ppp dialup on Z? - how to fix protocol problems? |
| 15:23:19 | numatrix | ummm. cd /mnt/rom |
| 15:23:21 | numatrix | can't cd to rom |
| 15:23:24 | numatrix | That's not good. |
| 15:24:27 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:24:32 | kergoth | what is /mnt/rom? |
| 15:24:42 | whardier | is scared to restart opie |
| 15:24:46 | whardier | just installed konq |
| 15:24:50 | numatrix | kergoth: I think I found the problem. Maybe; my fstab was hosed when I tried to enter the line for dev_img? |
| 15:24:54 | whardier | it upgraded qt-embedded |
| 15:26:16 | numatrix | kergoth: so on bootup, the lines after it were not loading properly, thus not mounting half-my file system. |
| 15:26:46 | kergoth | numatrix: that should never occur. |
| 15:27:01 | kergoth | numatrix: (i mean, a fail of one fs to mount shouldnt prevent anything else from mounting) |
| 15:27:12 | numatrix | All I know is that now when I removed that line, it works properly. |
| 15:27:31 | numatrix | I just added the line from the new dev_image entry on killefiz |
| 15:28:01 | numatrix | /usr/mnt.rom/card/dev_img-1.3 /home/userdata/dev cramfs rw,loop 1 1 |
| 15:28:03 | erikd|class | i got my user account at school disabled today |
| 15:28:07 | mparrish | I want my Z to flip open like a star trek communicator. |
| 15:28:31 | benmeyer | I here mod |
| 15:28:40 | darienm | erikd: did you try to calculate Pi on the school servers? |
| 15:28:40 | chouimat | mparrish: buy a palm m125 :) |
| 15:28:58 | erikd | i was using putty to ssh to my home box to irc/work on java for the class i was in and the sysadmins didn't know what putty was and they "weren't going to take any chances" |
| 15:29:06 | mparrish | chouimat: I've got a 105. not impressed. |
| 15:29:31 | chouimat | mparrish: love the battery life :) |
| 15:30:36 | darienm | erikd: but putty runs as a single binary, no install. Just run it off a remote server, or bring it on a floppy. |
| 15:30:51 | erikd | i was running it off my network drive |
| 15:31:07 | erikd | it was just the fact i was ssh'ed into a box and they didn't know what i was doing |
| 15:31:13 | erikd | the sysadmins are linux-stupid |
| 15:31:26 | darienm | ssh is not a linux-only phenomenon |
| 15:31:33 | darienm | what do they use, telnet |
| 15:31:33 | darienm | ? |
| 15:31:33 | chouimat | erikd: they use only winshit? |
| 15:31:56 | erikd | darien: they use vnc |
| 15:31:59 | erikd | chouimat: yup |
| 15:32:00 | erikd | 2k |
| 15:32:12 | chouimat | erikd: where? |
| 15:32:13 | benmeyer | hmm need 80 apps in 2 weeks |
| 15:32:14 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 15:32:28 | darienm | benmeyer: no problem -- send us developers the Zauruses we were promised and you'll have them. |
| 15:32:35 | numatrix | benmeyer: any word on when the dev Z's will ship? The deadline was last friday... |
| 15:32:43 | numatrix | nods at darienm |
| 15:32:43 | darienm | benmeyer: in fact, Team Geek released an app while working on our challenge appl. |
| 15:32:45 | benmeyer | did you get the e-mail? |
| 15:32:47 | chouimat | benmeyer: send my zaurus and it will be ok |
| 15:32:54 | erikd | chouimat: university of wisconsin - washington county |
| 15:32:58 | erikd | 2 yr school |
| 15:33:03 | numatrix | benmeyer: I got an email saying it would be delayed, that was the last I heard. |
| 15:33:18 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:33:18 | darienm | benmeyer: You and I talked on beta-submit day. You reviewed while online with me. Sent me an email that Friday that said the Zaurus would ship the following (3 days from then) Monday. |
| 15:33:28 | chouimat | erikd: it was the same here: Universite Laval in Quebec City |
| 15:33:47 | erikd | yeah, linux stupid people are sometimes fun, though |
| 15:33:59 | erikd | like when they give you root on a colo'ed box :) |
| 15:34:03 | imm | chouimat: hi |
| 15:34:25 | darienm | benmeyer: and we sent back the "agreement" email that confirmed mailing address and agreement to terms. |
| 15:34:46 | chouimat | erikd: but they ditched the Sun for linux and they manage linux like win2k, if a computer have a problem they reghost all the labs :) |
| 15:34:51 | chouimat | hi imm |
| 15:34:58 | erikd | haha |
| 15:35:16 | erikd | yup, that's what we used to do at wbmi (my old job... www.wbmi.com) |
| 15:35:49 | erikd | maybe they figure if you're going to a 2 yr school you must be stupid and not want linux? |
| 15:35:52 | chouimat | erikd: we students, well some of us know better than those jerk |
| 15:36:02 | benmeyer | Hi BZFlag. How is the Kai |
| 15:36:02 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:36:30 | erikd | chouimat: the sysadmins before these current ones were even windows stupid |
| 15:36:44 | erikd | it was so great.. there was no security at all |
| 15:37:09 | erikd | so maybe i should be glad they have smart sysadmins that have nothing better to do than observe my desktop remotely? :) |
| 15:37:35 | imm | chouimat: i saw that you released znessus :) |
| 15:37:40 | chouimat | erikd: those I meet there was not even sysadmin. they were recycled electricians except for one but since he didn't want to fit in the gang they give him the worses jobs |
| 15:37:50 | chouimat | imm: where? |
| 15:38:00 | erikd | heh |
| 15:38:06 | imm | chouimat: fillekiz |
| 15:38:41 | chouimat | imm: url? |
| 15:39:04 | imm | chouimat: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=480 |
| 15:39:17 | erikd | the people we had last year quit. one was a masculine woman that apparently like unix... but somehow i doubt she knew anything about it |
| 15:39:47 | erikd | the other was a guy that seemed like he should be a student at the school... not a sysadmin |
| 15:40:00 | erikd | it was even worse in my high school |
| 15:40:16 | chouimat | imm: it's not mine |
| 15:40:43 | imm | chouimat: ah, ok |
| 15:41:09 | chouimat | imm: must found another name :( |
| 15:41:17 | darienm | nudges erikd to get back to SG coding... |
| 15:41:55 | erikd | yeah, i am :) |
| 15:42:09 | imm | darienm: SG ? |
| 15:42:23 | darienm | imm: StatGrapher http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/statgrapher/ |
| 15:42:55 | darienm | we have three coding projects in the works, each with short names: SG, AM and RFK |
| 15:43:02 | darienm | actually, four. HD |
| 15:43:28 | erikd | we do? |
| 15:43:31 | erikd | =) |
| 15:44:05 | tux_mike | hrmmm |
| 15:44:12 | erikd | knows 3... |
| 15:44:19 | erikd | maybe 4? |
| 15:44:38 | tux_mike | anyone know if the linux ether subsystem can detect link? |
| 15:44:53 | chouimat | imm: btw to add the SSL support I'm currently rewriting a great deal of my client |
| 15:46:15 | kergoth | tux_mike: good question, i'm sick of dhcpcd running when we havent associated yet |
| 15:46:16 | imm | chouimat: good luck |
| 15:46:28 | darienm | erikd: robot and halfd |
| 15:46:35 | darienm | erikd: besides the two already started |
| 15:46:40 | chouimat | the znessus of killfiz is qte only |
| 15:47:01 | erikd | darien: ah, that's what i thought |
| 15:47:06 | imm | chouimat: and yours ? |
| 15:47:20 | chouimat | imm: I use qpe |
| 15:47:35 | tux_mike | kergoth: it's a real pain in the ass on a laptop, where you either have to ifup manually or wait 60 seconds for the op to timeout |
| 15:48:07 | tux_mike | i know the intel NIC drivers can detect link, i've seen it in the logs |
| 15:49:20 | chouimat | imm: it's support everything of the gtk client but it doesn't scan at all |
| 15:50:04 | tux_mike | kergoth: i think i'm gonna do a little digging once i get back from work |
| 15:50:37 | kergoth | tux_mike: let me know if you come up with anything. i need a resolution to this on the Z as well, when it takes a bit for the wifi card to associate.. |
| 15:51:17 | mjn3 | kergoth: question -- why do oz put /dev on jffs2? |
| 15:55:41 | benmeyer | basename will give you the string of an url, but what command gives the path |
| 15:56:50 | kergoth | mjn3: because I didnt see much to be gained by putting it in a ramdisk |
| 15:58:02 | benmeyer | dirname |
| 15:58:02 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 15:58:56 | mjn3 | kergoth: am i missing something, or won't writes to flash be generated for ownership and perm changes on the /dev/tty* devices whenever a login occurs |
| 15:59:53 | robmur | /cl |
| 16:00:08 | robmur | oops |
| 16:00:09 | kergoth | mjn3: shit, didnt think about that. nice catch. heh. |
| 16:00:28 | robmur | Why doesn't it use devfs? |
| 16:00:35 | | imm was last seen on #zaurus 13 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: and yours ? [Mon Sep 16 16:47:06 2002] |
| 16:00:35 | anselor | ibot seen imm |
| 16:00:54 | kergoth | robmur: you think its worth running devfsd? waste of resources, imo |
| 16:01:08 | kergoth | robmur: course i suppose we could do the linking manually in a startup script.. blah |
| 16:01:10 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:01:23 | whardier | Wheeee!! |
| 16:01:43 | whardier | I installed konq.. it updated qt-embedded.. and did i Mention WHEEEE!!.. now it won't fucking go into opie? |
| 16:01:46 | whardier | grr |
| 16:01:47 | imm | benmeyer: can you send me this delay mail too ? |
| 16:01:48 | whardier | and shit |
| 16:02:00 | erikd | and me! |
| 16:02:44 | Onyx4 | whardier: updating qt-embdeeded is the main library for everything, you might have to run "ldconfig" and reboot |
| 16:02:56 | whardier | I rebooted |
| 16:03:15 | whardier | downgrades |
| 16:03:21 | kergoth | Onyx4: /opt/Qtopia/lib is in LD_LIBRARY_PATH, running ldconfig wont be necessary |
| 16:03:44 | whardier | poot on a stick |
| 16:03:57 | whardier | still having feed issues then>? |
| 16:04:20 | whardier | heh.. downgrading did not help |
| 16:04:31 | Onyx4 | funny because when I upgraded my qt-embedded, the space for the old library wasn't freed up until I stopped qpe completely |
| 16:04:50 | whardier | aufgh |
| 16:04:54 | warmi_away | you guys seen that ? http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3469 |
| 16:04:54 | whardier | it upgraded opie base as well |
| 16:04:55 | kergoth | Onyx4: that has to do with ldconfig how exactly? |
| 16:04:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:05:08 | Onyx4 | kergoth: oh no that's just a different observation I noted |
| 16:05:12 | kergoth | ah, gotcha |
| 16:05:15 | kergoth | that is odd |
| 16:05:19 | Onyx4 | that might be related to people running out of space and such |
| 16:05:47 | kergoth | Onyx4: probably a bug in that old as dirt jffs2 |
| 16:05:52 | Onyx4 | I think so yes |
| 16:06:21 | Onyx4 | so big changes lately in OZ right :) ? |
| 16:06:36 | mjn3 | kergoth: i don't think devfsd is called for. not only would devfs support increase the kernel size, devfsd is approx > 30k. i think the stock ramdisk approach worked fine, although i'd compress the tar file |
| 16:07:04 | whardier | try running sync |
| 16:07:24 | kergoth | mjn3: good idea. thanks for the advice. |
| 16:07:31 | whardier | woot |
| 16:07:34 | whardier | I have a fucked PDA again |
| 16:07:37 | whardier | is getting sick of this |
| 16:08:41 | Onyx4 | why is wget and tinylogin still part of the feed? |
| 16:09:23 | Onyx4 | also util-linux-hwclock should be removed too |
| 16:09:32 | Onyx4 | since it conflicts with busybox |
| 16:09:36 | whardier | why is the feed broken? |
| 16:09:38 | ljp_work | whardier: what did you have before.. a brick? |
| 16:09:41 | mjn3 | kergoth: sure. btw, the whole terminfo tree tar'd and bzip2 -9'd is about 207k. might be worth just using a small subset of the tree and keeping the bzip'd tar if an entry were needed |
| 16:09:57 | whardier | ljp_work I had a working non upgraded system from the OZ rom |
| 16:10:10 | whardier | then I installed konq and all hell broke loose |
| 16:10:27 | ljp_work | hehe .. he does that sometimes |
| 16:10:42 | whardier | sits watching a useless non XML parsing console |
| 16:10:56 | Onyx4 | from the old ram, it might even have tried to install qt-emdeeded on SD where it was installing konq, that's bad |
| 16:11:02 | Onyx4 | because of the automatic dependency |
| 16:11:09 | Onyx4 | s/ram/rom |
| 16:11:17 | whardier | /opt is on SD |
| 16:11:36 | Onyx4 | oh you changed quite some things then |
| 16:11:45 | whardier | quite |
| 16:11:54 | whardier | backs up a few things |
| 16:11:56 | whardier | reflashes |
| 16:11:58 | whardier | pouts |
| 16:12:22 | Onyx4 | you know you can make your own initrd image as a backup to flash with when you have a good working system |
| 16:12:32 | whardier | slaps Onyx4 |
| 16:12:50 | Onyx4 | I think that should be in the "how-to" upgrade instructions hehe |
| 16:12:56 | whardier | heh |
| 16:13:02 | whardier | well.. thanks Onyx4 |
| 16:13:41 | whardier | oh |
| 16:13:41 | whardier | neat |
| 16:13:51 | Onyx4 | what's different in the new kismet -3a? |
| 16:14:06 | whardier | realizes that the upgrade killed pcmcia-cs |
| 16:14:07 | whardier | damnit |
| 16:14:10 | ljp_work | echo "very carefully" >> Oz_Upgrade_FAQ |
| 16:14:18 | whardier | and a few other things |
| 16:14:23 | whardier | and his sd slot does not work |
| 16:14:26 | kergoth | mjn3: i'll adopt debian's packaging for ncurses, which i should ahve done regardless, they put the core terminfo entries in ncurses-base, and split out the rest into a seperate ncurses-term package |
| 16:14:27 | whardier | so /opt is sorta missing |
| 16:14:28 | whardier | damnit |
| 16:14:47 | ljp_work | sorta? |
| 16:15:19 | whardier | well |
| 16:15:20 | whardier | gone |
| 16:15:35 | Onyx4 | try upgrading from the old pcmcia-cs ? |
| 16:15:52 | whardier | I am downgrading |
| 16:16:24 | whardier | fuck |
| 16:16:27 | whardier | how do you get mmc working? |
| 16:16:33 | whardier | is it a module |
| 16:16:39 | kergoth | whardier: /etc/init.d/sd start |
| 16:16:40 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 16:16:46 | kergoth | sharp_mmcsd_m module |
| 16:16:49 | kergoth | and sdmgr daemon |
| 16:16:53 | whardier | woot |
| 16:16:55 | whardier | worked |
| 16:17:09 | whardier | yahooo |
| 16:17:11 | whardier | opie is still fucked |
| 16:17:13 | whardier | WHEEE! |
| 16:17:26 | ljp_work | opie got a girlfriend? |
| 16:17:31 | whardier | heh |
| 16:17:32 | whardier | opoet |
| 16:18:49 | whardier | AUCH! |
| 16:18:56 | whardier | qt-embedded just dissappeared from the feed! |
| 16:19:06 | whardier | and all of opie! |
| 16:19:10 | whardier | is so scared! |
| 16:19:21 | kergoth | whardier: yes it did. dont upgrade to it |
| 16:19:26 | whardier | but |
| 16:19:27 | whardier | when? |
| 16:19:33 | kergoth | when i finish some things |
| 16:19:37 | whardier | damnit |
| 16:19:40 | kergoth | and split the feed into 'testing' and 'unstable' |
| 16:19:45 | whardier | scetches his addressbook.xml to his skin |
| 16:20:10 | whardier | I have been trying to call somebody for a while |
| 16:20:15 | whardier | I could just look in the XML |
| 16:20:36 | whardier | but that wasn't the handy part of the pda I was hoping for |
| 16:20:45 | whardier | can I convert that to palm? |
| 16:23:24 | ljp_work | you could load it into a web browser.. maybe |
| 16:23:43 | mjn3 | kergoth: sounds good re ncurses |
| 16:23:52 | chouimat | whardier: ? |
| 16:24:39 | darienm | Who is Ralf Waspe in this channel? |
| 16:26:00 | | i don't know, erikd |
| 16:26:00 | erikd | ibot whois Ralf Waspe |
| 16:26:02 | erikd | bah |
| 16:26:07 | | ACTION commits suicide, leaving a great deal of blood and brains on the wall. Now you clean this up mister! |
| 16:26:07 | erikd | ibot shoot ibot |
| 16:26:47 | | treke: i'm not following you... |
| 16:26:47 | treke | ibot, clean up brains |
| 16:27:04 | | erikd: what? |
| 16:27:04 | erikd | ibot no |
| 16:27:15 | | OK, erikd. |
| 16:27:15 | erikd | ibot no is <reply> YES |
| 16:27:18 | | YES |
| 16:27:18 | erikd | ibot no |
| 16:28:09 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 16:28:09 | kergoth | ibot yes is <reply> NO |
| 16:28:18 | benmeyer | ibot help |
| 16:28:30 | darienm | no help |
| 16:28:33 | | benmeyer: i'm not following you... |
| 16:28:33 | benmeyer | ibot author |
| 16:28:35 | darienm | well, private help |
| 16:28:39 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 16:28:39 | benmeyer | ibot topic author |
| 16:28:50 | darienm | benmeyer: whatcha looking for? |
| 16:28:59 | | JasonNJ: i'm not following you... |
| 16:28:59 | JasonNJ | ibot: yes |
| 16:29:10 | ljp_work | I _think_ BZFlag maintains ibot.. |
| 16:29:11 | | YES |
| 16:29:11 | JasonNJ | ibot: no |
| 16:29:16 | | JasonNJ: excuse me? |
| 16:29:16 | JasonNJ | ibot: yes |
| 16:29:21 | JasonNJ | hmmm |
| 16:29:22 | kergoth | odd |
| 16:29:25 | prpplague | benmeyer: does the service manual for the sl-5500 contain the full specs of the cf slot? |
| 16:29:34 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 16:29:34 | kergoth | ibot yes is <reply> NO |
| 16:29:41 | | kergoth: i'm not following you... |
| 16:29:41 | kergoth | ibot: yes |
| 16:29:45 | kergoth | weird |
| 16:29:52 | | ljp_work, I didn't have anything matching 'yes' |
| 16:29:52 | ljp_work | ibot: forget yes |
| 16:30:06 | benmeyer | prpplague: yes I presume |
| 16:30:08 | | ljp_work: excuse me? |
| 16:30:08 | ljp_work | ibot: poop on you |
| 16:30:11 | darienm | BZFlag does indeed maintain ibot. And the source is available at http://oss.lineo.com/cvs.html |
| 16:30:51 | darienm | http://oss.lineo.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb/infobot/ if you want directly in. |
| 16:31:04 | | source is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 16:31:04 | darienm | ibot source |
| 16:31:21 | | darienm: sorry... |
| 16:31:21 | darienm | ibot ibot source |
| 16:31:25 | | OK, darienm. |
| 16:31:25 | darienm | ibot ibot source is http://oss.lineo.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb/infobot/ |
| 16:31:51 | | okay, darienm. |
| 16:31:51 | darienm | ibot ibot source is also maintained by BZFlag |
| 16:32:33 | prpplague | benmeyer: spencer is the contact for that right? |
| 16:32:49 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: I have heard about an email that the partecipant of the contest received... what if i didn't receive it? |
| 16:35:24 | darienm | just got a letter from Sharp responding to an inquiry. Says they had a "glitch" shipping a large batch of Zauruses. Ours will go out NEXT week now... (and we'll get a letter with tracking info at that time) |
| 16:36:02 | erikd | GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 16:36:07 | erikd | is going to die |
| 16:36:17 | darienm | sugar, make erikd a martini |
| 16:36:17 | Sugar | You have to tell me which one. I can make 11 different, for instance French Martini, Dry Martini, Martini (Medium), Paisley Martini, Martini (Sweet) and Fino Martini. |
| 16:36:21 | ljp_work | a glitch: they didnt pay their FedEx bill in time |
| 16:36:23 | darienm | sugar, make erikd a martini (sweet) |
| 16:36:32 | numatrix | Anybody know why I can't install opie-tabmanager from the OZ feed? |
| 16:36:34 | darienm | sugar, make erikd a sweet martini |
| 16:36:35 | Sugar | tries to make something, but just fumbles it away. |
| 16:36:35 | Sugar | sorry |
| 16:36:42 | darienm | sugar, make erikd a paisley martini |
| 16:36:43 | Sugar | stirs in old-fashioned glass over ice cubes then adds a twist of lemon peel and serves it to erikd. |
| 16:37:01 | erikd | they're going to be shipping it next-day, right? |
| 16:37:22 | ciaolinux | no, next-month |
| 16:37:29 | erikd | i may just end up buying a sl-5500 |
| 16:37:41 | erikd | i can't wait that long |
| 16:37:53 | erikd | shipping next week... another 7-10 days after that |
| 16:37:54 | erikd | blah |
| 16:38:03 | imm | erikd: shit :( |
| 16:38:17 | ciaolinux | why i didnt' receive that email? |
| 16:38:22 | darienm | erikd: they said NOTHING about shipping overnight service. |
| 16:38:29 | erikd | darien: they should |
| 16:38:32 | darienm | ciaolinux: I specially requested a response. |
| 16:38:45 | ciaolinux | darienm: who did you write to? |
| 16:38:57 | darienm | contest@zaurus.com |
| 16:39:09 | darienm | wrote an hour ago, just got the response |
| 16:39:45 | | it has been said that contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 16:39:45 | Onyx4 | ibot: contest |
| 16:40:00 | erikd | i guess that means i can start working on stuff that'll get me money now since i have more time |
| 16:40:25 | darienm | erikd, sure. we can write a few Z apps that we'll charge for :) |
| 16:40:33 | darienm | laughs hysterically |
| 16:40:36 | erikd | heh |
| 16:40:41 | erikd | meant for work |
| 16:40:48 | chouimat | darienm: when they will ship |
| 16:41:00 | imm | why dont they just send a mail to all of us ? |
| 16:41:06 | darienm | chouimat: beats me. OURS is slated for next week. |
| 16:41:12 | erikd | checks ebay for sl-5500's |
| 16:41:25 | darienm | imm: my guess is they lost all the email addresses, contact information, postal addresses, etc. |
| 16:41:32 | darienm | imm: doesnt seem to organized. |
| 16:42:00 | ciaolinux | darienm: so all the story that they had finished the 5000 was not true, right? |
| 16:42:08 | darienm | erikd: the bestbuy near me might still have their display unit.. for about $250. |
| 16:42:26 | darienm | ciaolinux: not following you. |
| 16:42:30 | erikd | maybe i'll call the best buy near me |
| 16:42:33 | erikd | see what they have |
| 16:42:50 | ciaolinux | darienm: well someone here said that they didn't have any 5000 anymore |
| 16:42:51 | darienm | erikd: most got rid of theirs, mine has been holding their last one (display model) under the desk for a friend of mine who backed down. |
| 16:43:04 | darienm | ciaolinux: couldn't tell you. I don't know. |
| 16:43:08 | erikd | ah |
| 16:43:25 | darienm | But it would be excellent if they sent out 5500's to challenge participants. |
| 16:43:34 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: ? |
| 16:43:43 | darienm | ben don't know. |
| 16:43:52 | darienm | he would have told us something. |
| 16:43:53 | Onyx4 | I would like to know who is making the monopoly and the pinballg ame for the contest? |
| 16:43:58 | ciaolinux | who knows? |
| 16:44:14 | darienm | Onyx4: All challenge participants should have been identified publicly... IMO |
| 16:44:17 | imm | darienm: if just they ship something |
| 16:44:27 | chouimat | darienm: just send them an email |
| 16:44:30 | erikd | darien: especially the ones that have to wait a month after they were told it was shipping... |
| 16:45:12 | Onyx4 | because i'm wondering if some have real good apps, but they aren't putting it on the zsi or something |
| 16:45:29 | erikd | hmm |
| 16:45:36 | erikd | does compusa carry z's? |
| 16:45:50 | erikd | i'm seriously contemplating running over there and getting one |
| 16:45:57 | erikd | considering* |
| 16:46:00 | erikd | that fits better |
| 16:46:02 | treke | erikd: the one near me does |
| 16:46:10 | Onyx4 | cool zconsole just got on the zsi... |
| 16:46:11 | chouimat | erikd: why you will buy one and ask contest@zaurus.com for a refound? |
| 16:46:21 | erikd | chouimat: no, i'll sell that one |
| 16:46:21 | Onyx4 | frys carry Z |
| 16:46:37 | erikd | i can't tell sharp to send me money in place of hardware |
| 16:46:45 | erikd | i agreed to hardware |
| 16:46:51 | erikd | i'll sell it on ebay or something |
| 16:46:53 | chouimat | erikd: they're not on sell here :( |
| 16:47:01 | erikd | calls his local best buy |
| 16:47:04 | erikd | er |
| 16:47:06 | erikd | compusa |
| 16:47:07 | erikd | :) |
| 16:47:08 | erikd | bbiab |
| 16:47:44 | imm | erikd: hey thats a good idea |
| 16:51:06 | Onyx4 | it might just be cheaper to buy it on buy.com with overnight shipping than local store |
| 16:52:58 | darienm | warmi_away: what changed in checkers? |
| 16:54:15 | chouimat|Away | bbl |
| 16:56:18 | warmi_away | darien: nothing .. I have no idea who submited changes - it wasn't me |
| 16:57:58 | erikd | does buy.com actually ship next day? the last place i ordered at waited 2 days to actually ship my product... so it took 3 days for a product i should've gotten the next day |
| 16:59:39 | darienm | erikd: http:/zaurus.kruss.com/files/travelui.gif << neat date/time interface and other nice stuff |
| 16:59:40 | agupta | hmm |
| 16:59:41 | agupta | kergoth sup |
| 16:59:50 | kergoth | hey agupta |
| 17:00:05 | agupta | you were suppposed to get the buildroot working last night! |
| 17:00:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:00:15 | kergoth | patience |
| 17:00:25 | agupta | fasssssssster |
| 17:00:25 | agupta | heh |
| 17:00:26 | agupta | later |
| 17:00:30 | agupta | i'll bbiaf |
| 17:01:25 | erikd | notes he can get an sl-5500 AND a 128MB flash card shipped to him NEXT DAY for less than it costs to go over to compusa and pick up just a z |
| 17:01:54 | darienm | erikd: total price? |
| 17:02:35 | erikd | around 400 |
| 17:02:40 | erikd | z is 333 |
| 17:02:48 | erikd | cf is 56 |
| 17:02:48 | whardier | buy 2 for 666 |
| 17:02:52 | erikd | shipping is 22 |
| 17:03:07 | erikd | whardier: i'd be happy if i didn't even have to buy one :) |
| 17:03:20 | whardier | too |
| 17:03:24 | ciaolinux | erikd: what size the cf? |
| 17:03:33 | whardier | does size really matter? |
| 17:03:56 | erikd | 128MB |
| 17:04:01 | whardier | btw guys.. dunno if you have seen this |
| 17:04:02 | numatrix | whardier: no, not really, only how you use it |
| 17:04:02 | whardier | http://www.simpletech.com/products/consumer/minidrive/index.php |
| 17:04:12 | whardier | sd r/w er |
| 17:04:14 | ciaolinux | whardier: well if it is more than 1.4 Mb than it is more useful than a floppy! |
| 17:04:21 | whardier | should be compat with usb-storage |
| 17:05:06 | whardier | get a 512 meg SD for 400 something bucks! |
| 17:05:07 | whardier | woot |
| 17:07:42 | ciaolinux | Windows 98SE/ME/2000 etc... no linux... no solaris... |
| 17:08:40 | inomine_ | usb memory devices usually have no problems on linux |
| 17:09:20 | whardier | true dat |
| 17:09:29 | ciaolinux | inomine_: well i have a digital camera that do not work on linux, not even with usb-storage. And anyway to me products like that must be boycotted! :-) |
| 17:09:30 | whardier | it should handle the SD poot smock |
| 17:09:32 | whardier | I would think |
| 17:09:38 | whardier | then again I have never set my own key on SD before |
| 17:09:44 | whardier | can you do that? |
| 17:10:03 | inomine_ | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005MIS8/ref=ase_jasondunn-20/002-9311758-4996066 512mb cf card for $200, $150 after rebate |
| 17:10:21 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:10:33 | whardier | I need 180 gigs of solid state storage |
| 17:10:37 | whardier | for less than $20,000 |
| 17:10:39 | whardier | :) |
| 17:10:55 | whardier | anybody know of anything like that? |
| 17:11:05 | darienm | whardier: YES YES YES !!!! |
| 17:11:13 | whardier | dude.. I didn't even unzip |
| 17:11:15 | darienm | whardier: solid state? no drives? |
| 17:11:22 | darienm | whardier: or drives okay? |
| 17:11:32 | whardier | darienm: solid state give you a woody? |
| 17:11:33 | treke | whardier: I'd recommend investing in $19,000 worth the guns |
| 17:11:41 | whardier | treke: :) |
| 17:11:44 | darienm | whardier: I have a lead on a 5.7 TB server for $7000 |
| 17:11:53 | whardier | darienm: IDE or SCSI or I2C compat |
| 17:11:56 | ciaolinux | whardier: (180/.512)*150 = 52K $ |
| 17:12:06 | whardier | ciaolinux :) |
| 17:12:19 | whardier | darienm: solid state? |
| 17:12:36 | whardier | AKA FLASH style memory? |
| 17:12:43 | inomine_ | yus |
| 17:12:46 | ciaolinux | i am sure that they would give a 50% discount in case you want to buy more than 300 cards |
| 17:13:06 | whardier | cause I need solid state badly |
| 17:13:08 | whardier | lots of it |
| 17:13:09 | whardier | heh |
| 17:13:14 | whardier | I don't even care what speed really |
| 17:13:25 | whardier | > 30MBps would be nice |
| 17:13:33 | treke | whardier: worried about your pr0n? |
| 17:13:34 | inomine_ | wtf you need that kind of capacity/speed for? |
| 17:13:53 | darienm | I just got a mass email from a buddy, lost his phone on a roller coaster and needs everyone's contact info again. Poor guy. |
| 17:14:09 | whardier | at 20,000 feet under the oceans surface.. platters become less functional |
| 17:14:12 | whardier | actually at around 3,000 feet :) |
| 17:14:50 | inomine_ | at that depth nothing works :) |
| 17:14:58 | numatrix | Anybody have opie-appskey installed? |
| 17:15:13 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 17:15:23 | whardier | inomine_: solid state devices do :) expecially when under a protected environment |
| 17:15:31 | numatrix | Onyx4: does your HOME button still work? |
| 17:15:37 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 17:15:45 | whardier | but platters might bead up |
| 17:15:49 | numatrix | Onyx4: I made the mistake of remapping it to something else then changing it back to home, now I can't use it to switch tabs. |
| 17:15:58 | whardier | and we might have to lose the environment to go deeper cause we can't have air |
| 17:16:00 | Onyx4 | mmm maybe a bug |
| 17:16:09 | whardier | at that point we can use corrosion block |
| 17:16:22 | numatrix | Onyx4: I hate to ask, but would you mind trying it to see if it's just me? |
| 17:17:04 | inomine_ | you building a deep sea probe? |
| 17:17:12 | whardier | is gonna probe you |
| 17:17:13 | Onyx4 | so you remap the home button to something else, then try to remap it back and it doesnt work? |
| 17:17:19 | numatrix | Onyx4: right. |
| 17:17:23 | whardier | inomine: but basically .. yes.. |
| 17:17:36 | kergoth | numatrix: worst case, edit the .conf file in question to make it behave again |
| 17:17:45 | inomine_ | whardier: cool |
| 17:17:47 | numatrix | kergoth: which conf file? |
| 17:17:50 | whardier | is gonna try to go where no man has gone before.. except.. still be safe and on the surface |
| 17:17:50 | whardier | heh |
| 17:17:58 | kergoth | numatrix: hell if i know. .check qpe.conf and launcher.conf |
| 17:18:10 | numatrix | kergoth: I'll check 'em, thanks. |
| 17:18:11 | Onyx4 | numatrix: will try it in a bit , brb |
| 17:18:26 | numatrix | kergoth: Where would I submit the bug-report regardless? (especially of Onyx4 reproduces it)? |
| 17:18:40 | numatrix | kergoth: fyi, it is qpe.conf, thanks. |
| 17:19:22 | numatrix | kergoth: I've found a few bugs and feature requests I wanted to submit to opie... |
| 17:19:29 | erikd | ok, in order for my parents to loan me the $400 to get the z shipped to me i need to have one of the sharp guys fax me something on sharp letterhead that says the z will in fact be shipped next week |
| 17:19:36 | erikd | anyone want to do that for me? :) |
| 17:19:41 | erikd | i'd be your best friend forever |
| 17:20:12 | erikd | or if someone wants to let me use their credit card to buy it ;) |
| 17:22:19 | Bovine | er, erikd: why do you need that? (the fax) |
| 17:23:14 | erikd | for proof for my parents |
| 17:23:18 | erikd | that it's actually coming |
| 17:23:24 | Bovine | er |
| 17:23:47 | erikd | benmeyer: can you do that for me? |
| 17:23:54 | numatrix | erikd: What will you do when the dev-zaurus comes? |
| 17:23:59 | erikd | sell it |
| 17:24:11 | numatrix | you won't get very much for it since it's only the developer model. |
| 17:24:11 | erikd | (the dev-z) |
| 17:24:15 | erikd | yeah, i know |
| 17:24:18 | erikd | but it's something |
| 17:24:21 | Bovine | don't you need to pay for the Z before someone can send you something to confirm it's being shipped? :) |
| 17:24:23 | Bovine | catch 22 |
| 17:24:30 | benmeyer | erikd: do what? |
| 17:24:34 | erikd | bovine: for the challenge |
| 17:24:36 | | mspin was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 17 hours, 20 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: no, illegal instruction [Sun Sep 15 01:03:59 2002] |
| 17:24:36 | benmeyer | ibot seen mspin |
| 17:24:39 | kergoth | numatrix: http://opie.info/bugs iirc |
| 17:24:40 | numatrix | Bovine: he's talking about two different Z's. |
| 17:24:41 | erikd | <erikd> ok, in order for my parents to loan me the $400 to get the z shipped to me i need to have one of the sharp guys fax me something on sharp letterhead that |
| 17:24:41 | erikd | says the z will in fact be shipped next week |
| 17:24:52 | erikd | can you send me that fax? |
| 17:24:58 | kergoth | numatrix: or opie.info/bugs/ .. its sensitive to that ending /, i dont remember if it wants it or not |
| 17:25:01 | Bovine | is just plain cowfused |
| 17:25:16 | | i heard challenge was http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 17:25:16 | erikd | ibot challenge |
| 17:25:20 | erikd | bovine ^^ |
| 17:25:24 | benmeyer | erikd: what fax? |
| 17:25:33 | numatrix | kergoth: with the slash, thanks |
| 17:25:35 | | numatrix: huh? |
| 17:25:35 | numatrix | ibot: opie bugs |
| 17:25:40 | | OK, numatrix. |
| 17:25:40 | numatrix | ibot: opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 17:25:41 | erikd | a fax that says the z's that weren't shipped yet will be shipped next week |
| 17:26:15 | erikd | my parents don't believe me and i don't have the 400 to pay for the one i'm going to buy |
| 17:26:19 | erikd | *sigh* |
| 17:26:32 | erikd | hates his parents |
| 17:26:37 | erikd | they never believe me |
| 17:26:41 | Bovine | heh, how old are you? |
| 17:26:47 | erikd | 20 in 4 days |
| 17:26:50 | erikd | 3 days |
| 17:26:54 | Bovine | lol |
| 17:27:06 | erikd | can't afford to move out, though |
| 17:27:08 | Bovine | and your still borrowing money from you parents? |
| 17:27:10 | erikd | college =/ |
| 17:27:12 | Bovine | ahhh |
| 17:27:13 | Bovine | k |
| 17:27:44 | Bovine | why not get a mate to send a fake fax? |
| 17:27:55 | erikd | it needs to be on sharp letterhead |
| 17:28:06 | treke | just fake sharp letterhead |
| 17:28:09 | erikd | ... |
| 17:28:15 | Bovine | and you parents are experts on the subject of letter heads? :P |
| 17:28:20 | erikd | yup! |
| 17:28:27 | Bovine | o k |
| 17:28:31 | erikd | :) |
| 17:28:33 | numatrix | that's a good way for him to continue to inspire his parent's confidence in him |
| 17:28:37 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 17:28:45 | erikd | hehe, yeah. that too |
| 17:28:48 | fusion94 | numatrix: yep... |
| 17:28:50 | Bovine | parents should be shot after the bith of thier children |
| 17:28:54 | Bovine | :) |
| 17:29:02 | erikd | bovine: no, not the birth |
| 17:29:06 | numatrix | Bovine: Umm... maybe I better hold off on having children then... |
| 17:29:06 | erikd | after they turn 18 |
| 17:29:09 | Bovine | well, 19th b'day |
| 17:29:11 | erikd | the kids |
| 17:29:12 | Bovine | er 18 |
| 17:29:13 | mparrish | if you're 20, you should have enough financial power to buy your own zaurus. |
| 17:29:22 | Bovine | yes, exactley |
| 17:29:26 | erikd | no, i have to pay for college |
| 17:29:30 | imm | treke: you can have my email from 2002-08-28 thats says the Z will arrive in 10 days ! |
| 17:29:33 | kergoth | mparrish: at 20, my parents owed -me- money ;-) |
| 17:29:36 | numatrix | erikd: so did I, but I could afford my own toys... |
| 17:29:50 | erikd | bleh |
| 17:29:52 | mparrish | Well hopefully you have a job too |
| 17:29:53 | erikd | gives up |
| 17:30:34 | mparrish | If you have some computer skills it shouldn't be too hard to get some kind of job. |
| 17:30:35 | treke | imm: eh? |
| 17:30:49 | mparrish | College kids can usually get work study, right? |
| 17:31:02 | imm | treke: sorry, i meant erikd :) |
| 17:31:22 | mparrish | What did you do all summer, play video games? |
| 17:31:26 | mparrish | grins |
| 17:31:30 | numatrix | It's allright, erikd, you can wait a bit longer... ;-) |
| 17:31:32 | erikd | i developed software |
| 17:31:38 | erikd | i can't wait |
| 17:32:02 | mparrish | Usually people pay you to do that if you;re any good. |
| 17:32:14 | erikd | it's amazing how many companies don't need software/web site developers |
| 17:32:31 | erikd | if you don't have "real world" experiance you're screwed |
| 17:32:40 | erikd | or have a paper that says "i went to college" |
| 17:33:40 | erikd | did i scare everyone off again? |
| 17:33:43 | erikd | i know i scared ben off |
| 17:33:52 | mparrish | It's not really a catch-22. Just lower your price until someone will take you. |
| 17:33:57 | Bovine | students scare me sometimes |
| 17:33:59 | mparrish | Then when you have experience, raise it. |
| 17:34:07 | mparrish | Business 101. |
| 17:34:15 | roge99 | erikd: why do your parents need this fax ? |
| 17:34:22 | mparrish | (ok, I know I'm annoying you ;-) |
| 17:34:31 | erikd | heh, nobody would take me when they -told- me how much they were going to pay me |
| 17:34:32 | mparrish | afk |
| 17:34:45 | erikd | roge: because they don't think sharp will send the z |
| 17:34:51 | erikd | go figure |
| 17:35:06 | imm | erikd: maybe you parents are right :) |
| 17:35:08 | erikd | 'course it hasn't come after 2 weeks already... |
| 17:35:14 | roge99 | if they use a credit card and sharp dosent send the unit they can reverse the charges |
| 17:35:17 | erikd | in which case i need one anyway |
| 17:35:30 | erikd | no, it's for the challenge |
| 17:35:32 | roge99 | thats some of the protecton of using a credit card |
| 17:35:50 | erikd | they don't think sharp is going to send the z for the challenge |
| 17:36:03 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=491 |
| 17:36:05 | treke | erikd: just wait a week. they'll send one for free |
| 17:36:05 | benmeyer | coool |
| 17:36:31 | erikd | really doesn't understand what's so hard about writing "sharp will send the developer zaurus's next week" and faxing it |
| 17:36:41 | erikd | treke: i'd really like it for school, too |
| 17:37:16 | mparrish | http://activecampus.ucsd.edu/ wonder if I cen get this to work on my Z. |
| 17:37:22 | benmeyer | erikd: we don't have the units here |
| 17:37:26 | benmeyer | they are being sent to us |
| 17:37:29 | benmeyer | and then we will send them |
| 17:37:38 | benmeyer | i.e. we have no clue when they will actually get out |
| 17:37:55 | erikd | ben: what about a fax that says "it will be shipped, we just don't know when" |
| 17:38:04 | erikd | they just want proof it's going to come -sometime- |
| 17:38:17 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: so no hope that we are going to receive a 5500? |
| 17:38:34 | inomine | ahhh that hell that was the persuasion of my father that i really do _need_ a pda |
| 17:40:11 | chouimat|Away | re |
| 17:40:34 | chouimat | erikd: just hopes they will send it to you |
| 17:41:01 | erikd | i don't care if they never send it to me as long as i get a fax that says they will |
| 17:41:03 | erikd | :) |
| 17:41:15 | chouimat | erikd: hehe |
| 17:41:28 | benmeyer | ciaolinux: 5500? |
| 17:41:56 | chouimat | benmeyer: as in SL-5500 |
| 17:41:58 | cutm | so what do I do now, send back my Z? I'm still trying to get my app to work properly on the Z :-) |
| 17:42:32 | | imm was last seen on #zaurus 7 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: erikd: maybe you parents are right :) [Mon Sep 16 18:35:06 2002] |
| 17:42:32 | benmeyer | ibot seen imm |
| 17:42:48 | benmeyer | imm: hey when is the source going up for 0.5? |
| 17:42:58 | erikd | who checks the email for contest@zaurus.com? |
| 17:43:10 | chouimat | erikd: Mr. Contest Maker |
| 17:43:10 | benmeyer | Sniper |
| 17:43:22 | mutexer | benmeyer: was the deadline friday for the challenge? |
| 17:43:23 | erikd | would he still be checking it for the day? |
| 17:44:18 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: so how about the SL-5500? |
| 17:44:23 | cutm | benmeyer: I'm still working on getting my app working properly on the Z... and haven't sent the final in yet. What do I do, just send it when I get it to work? |
| 17:45:03 | mutexer | I had to rewrite my game to get it to work on the Z.....its set me back |
| 17:45:49 | chouimat | cutm: I haven't receive the Z yet and I'm not alone |
| 17:45:52 | Onyx4 | numatrix: I have the same bug |
| 17:45:53 | imm | benmeyer: which 0.5 ? |
| 17:46:04 | cutm | chouimat: eep |
| 17:46:22 | chouimat | cutm: I know |
| 17:46:28 | Onyx4 | numatrix: remapping the home button to something else disables it when putting it back to "home" |
| 17:46:45 | numatrix | Onyx4: ok, thanks; here's the fix: |
| 17:46:55 | cutm | chouimat: I have mine, it's just taking time to get it working on the Z. problems show up that don't show up using the virtual framebuffer on my Linux box |
| 17:47:02 | numatrix | Onyx4: remove the line Middle under the [AppsKey] section of /root/Settings/qpe.conf |
| 17:47:14 | chouimat | cutm: mmm |
| 17:47:15 | numatrix | Onyx4: I submitted it as a bugfix... |
| 17:47:34 | cutm | chouimat: yeah :) |
| 17:48:13 | Onyx4 | numatrix: ok :) cool |
| 17:48:17 | benmeyer | mutexer: it got pushed back |
| 17:48:23 | mutexer | to when? |
| 17:48:28 | benmeyer | cutm: yes just send it in |
| 17:48:33 | benmeyer | post on killefiz etc |
| 17:48:54 | mutexer | ok..IM gonna need 1 maybe 2 days extra too..so its ok if I send it in after that? |
| 17:49:00 | benmeyer | yes |
| 17:49:05 | mutexer | ok thanks |
| 17:50:04 | Cam__ | is anyone from sharp here, who knows how the insignia contest is going? |
| 17:50:06 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: do you know what kind of Z they are going to ship? |
| 17:50:13 | imm | benmeyer: i wont sent my app before i got my z |
| 17:50:37 | chouimat | imm: good |
| 17:50:46 | imm | Cam__: can one win a Zaurus on the insignia contest ? |
| 17:51:00 | Cam__ | imm I'm not sure, I think you might be able to |
| 17:51:09 | Cam__ | it's a Java contest |
| 17:51:16 | ciaolinux | Cam__: is the deadline to register over? |
| 17:51:20 | Cam__ | I just wondered if there had been many entries |
| 17:51:33 | Cam__ | I think the deadline is otober sometime |
| 17:51:34 | imm | Cam__: i hate awt, but for a Z i could maybe rethink :) |
| 17:51:42 | chouimat | imm: :) |
| 17:51:45 | mutexer | no swing? |
| 17:51:53 | imm | mutexer: nope |
| 17:51:56 | numatrix | mutexer: nope; not on the zaurus at least, I don't know about the contest. |
| 17:51:59 | mutexer | that sucks |
| 17:52:08 | | ciaolinux: excuse me? |
| 17:52:08 | ciaolinux | ibot: insignia |
| 17:52:13 | | somebody said contest was http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 17:52:13 | ciaolinux | ibot: contest |
| 17:52:18 | mutexer | I have no reason to use java on the zaurus then |
| 17:52:22 | Cam__ | Java people tend to be... erm less open than linux people in general |
| 17:52:39 | imm | i could port buzzword to java :) |
| 17:52:40 | mutexer | Id rather use Qt than AWT |
| 17:53:01 | Cam__ | IMHO C is a better choice for a PDA than Java or C++ |
| 17:53:27 | Cam__ | but I had a cool Java idea |
| 17:53:28 | chouimat | Cam__: true if you must have all your code in a 64KB segment |
| 17:54:08 | mutexer | I dont think I could program in C anymore after learning C++...it would just seem wrong |
| 17:54:31 | mutexer | it would be like reinstalling win3.1 for the memories :) |
| 17:55:28 | Cam__ | I don't like the way C++ works, but I'll code whatever pays ;-) |
| 17:56:24 | chouimat | tous en coeur: I WANT MY Z |
| 17:56:35 | imm | thinks someone at sharp is soldering the ram out of SL-5500s for the contest :) |
| 17:56:55 | chouimat | imm: lol |
| 17:57:00 | Cam__ | I think you should all have an upgrade - to an A300 |
| 17:57:15 | imm | chouimat: thats the reasen why it takes that long |
| 17:57:52 | chouimat | imm: what translating the A300 to english? |
| 17:57:54 | mutexer | look at the back of it when you get it..if it has whiteout with SL-5000D penciled in...you could be right |
| 17:58:05 | numatrix | chouimat: no, removing the memory... |
| 17:58:09 | Onyx4 | chouimat: your Z is stuck at customs canada , they liked it too much they kept it :) |
| 17:58:25 | chouimat | Onyx4: thoses bastards |
| 17:59:31 | chouimat | is writing catnip the first PDA software for cats |
| 17:59:43 | imm | hey guy, i make my own contest ! |
| 17:59:46 | agupta | sup |
| 17:59:50 | agupta | kergoth how goes it? |
| 18:00:06 | imm | chouimat: not catass ? |
| 18:00:10 | chouimat | imm: send my your z and I'll keep them :) |
| 18:00:27 | chouimat | imm: it's to get rid of this |
| 18:00:55 | imm | chouimat: i reward $100000000000 and pay it as soon i have it |
| 18:01:05 | chouimat | imm: lol |
| 18:01:06 | jaytee | i am considering changing from zaurus to oz, but i have a few questions |
| 18:01:14 | numatrix | jaytee: shoot |
| 18:01:38 | agupta | jaytee |
| 18:01:39 | agupta | ? |
| 18:01:40 | jaytee | is there a list of apps which do not work on oz, but do work on sharp? |
| 18:01:49 | agupta | jeode, opera, hancom |
| 18:01:51 | jaytee | or should i worry |
| 18:01:54 | kergoth | agupta: hancom works. |
| 18:01:57 | numatrix | agupta: not true, jeode and hancom work |
| 18:02:01 | kergoth | jaytee: only opera, to my knowledge. |
| 18:02:03 | agupta | heh |
| 18:02:07 | kergoth | jaytee: everything else will work |
| 18:02:12 | numatrix | jaytee: and other misc ones like mooview |
| 18:02:16 | agupta | well |
| 18:02:17 | kergoth | mooview doesnt work? |
| 18:02:18 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 18:02:23 | Onyx4 | jaytee: it's more the other way around actually :) most apps work on OZ , some not on sharp hehe |
| 18:02:26 | jaytee | tkcKompany apps should work shouldn't they |
| 18:02:26 | agupta | everything works, just its not configured right for oz |
| 18:02:31 | kergoth | jaytee: yep |
| 18:02:37 | kergoth | agupta: ? |
| 18:02:41 | agupta | nothing |
| 18:02:42 | agupta | i'll shut up |
| 18:02:54 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah, dunno why; somebody in the channel was aware of the bug when I asked about it a few days ago, so I wasn't the first to realize that. |
| 18:02:56 | jaytee | which zImage should I choose from sf |
| 18:03:09 | numatrix | jaytee: which device do you have? |
| 18:03:09 | TheMasterMind2 | mooview never worked for me |
| 18:03:11 | Onyx4 | jaytee: check FAQ |
| 18:03:14 | jaytee | 5500 |
| 18:03:16 | numatrix | There we go; knew somebody else backed me up... |
| 18:03:22 | jaytee | it suggests 40-24 |
| 18:03:26 | numatrix | Probably 40-24, but it depends on what you want. |
| 18:03:27 | Onyx4 | correct |
| 18:03:29 | TheMasterMind2 | anyway |
| 18:03:31 | TheMasterMind2 | have fun |
| 18:03:33 | TheMasterMind2 | i'll bbl |
| 18:03:37 | numatrix | waves at TheMasterMind |
| 18:03:38 | jaytee | that would be the storage/free split? |
| 18:03:38 | TheMasterMind2 | kergoth hows that upgrading going? |
| 18:03:50 | TheMasterMind2 | jaytee storage/ram |
| 18:03:54 | numatrix | jaytee: That would be RAM / storage |
| 18:03:58 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: backwards... |
| 18:04:00 | jaytee | yup |
| 18:04:02 | TheMasterMind2 | bah |
| 18:04:04 | TheMasterMind2 | just dont' listen to me |
| 18:04:05 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 18:04:19 | TheMasterMind2 | btw, my initrd.bin and feed are back up |
| 18:04:36 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: 2.9.9 ;-)? kergoth smacked you for that yet or did you change the name? |
| 18:04:40 | TheMasterMind2 | heh |
| 18:04:43 | TheMasterMind2 | its still 2.9.9 |
| 18:04:44 | TheMasterMind2 | :D |
| 18:04:48 | numatrix | chuckles |
| 18:05:02 | TheMasterMind2 | anyone who wants mplayer latest and/or fixed pcmcia can get it from tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 18:05:16 | numatrix | TheMasterMind mplayer latest? |
| 18:05:19 | TheMasterMind2 | yes |
| 18:05:24 | TheMasterMind2 | mplayer 0.90pre7 |
| 18:05:28 | TheMasterMind2 | with a cool script to run it |
| 18:05:33 | inomine | works on ipaq? |
| 18:05:38 | TheMasterMind2 | *shrug* |
| 18:05:40 | TheMasterMind2 | try it |
| 18:05:52 | inomine | command line app or is there a ui? |
| 18:05:59 | numatrix | TheMasterMind2: Excellent. I should link to it from my site instead of letting people download 0.90p5 |
| 18:06:00 | TheMasterMind2 | still command line |
| 18:06:13 | TheMasterMind2 | numatrix make sure they remove pre5 first |
| 18:06:15 | numatrix | TheMasterMind2: have you changed ZSI yet? |
| 18:06:16 | kergoth | jaytee: the ram/ramdisk split is whatever you choose it to be. select the kernel with the balance you prefer |
| 18:06:17 | inomine | what can it play? |
| 18:06:29 | TheMasterMind2 | numatrix no, i'm not sure if it works on sharp/ipaq etc |
| 18:06:31 | TheMasterMind2 | but it works on oz |
| 18:06:37 | TheMasterMind2 | feel free to change zsi |
| 18:06:45 | TheMasterMind2 | it *should* work everywhere |
| 18:06:49 | TheMasterMind2 | its just a standard ipk |
| 18:06:50 | numatrix | TheMasterMind2: should probably verify it runs on sharp first... |
| 18:06:58 | TheMasterMind2 | yea that's why i didn't update zsi |
| 18:07:03 | jaytee | kergoth: tnks |
| 18:07:07 | numatrix | TheMasterMind2: if/when I get my new dev-z from sharp I'll try it. |
| 18:07:16 | TheMasterMind2 | it'll be added to oz's feed soon anyway |
| 18:07:20 | TheMasterMind2 | gtg |
| 18:07:22 | numatrix | TheMasterMind2: sincec I'm sticking with OZ on my main pda for a while... |
| 18:07:23 | TheMasterMind2 | class |
| 18:07:24 | numatrix | bye |
| 18:07:24 | TheMasterMind2 | later |
| 18:07:30 | inomine | right im dl it now if it works ill tel lyou |
| 18:07:50 | numatrix | sounds good, inomine, let us know |
| 18:07:52 | inomine | is it just mp3/vorbis? |
| 18:07:56 | jaytee | kergoth: 32/32 would match the standard sharp better wouldn't it? |
| 18:08:07 | numatrix | inomine: no, divx, avi, etc |
| 18:08:20 | numatrix | jaytee: yes, but sharp isn't infallible. ;-) |
| 18:08:28 | inomine | wow cool, smooth playback? |
| 18:08:39 | numatrix | inomine: yeah, what I've seen was. With sound. |
| 18:08:45 | jaytee | would rather have 64/64 ;-) |
| 18:08:49 | numatrix | jaytee: With external memory being so cheap the 40-24 is often a better choice sincec it's so easy to stick in an SD card. |
| 18:09:11 | kergoth | jaytee: 32/32 *is* the balance that the sharp rom uses, yes |
| 18:09:24 | jaytee | numatrix: I'm already 32/32 ... 64 ;-> |
| 18:10:02 | numatrix | jaytee: right, what I'm suggesting is that that may not be the best balance. :-) Ever try to run qpose? |
| 18:10:18 | JasonNJ | kergoth: check your email |
| 18:10:21 | jaytee | kergoth: I suppose it would be pretty simple to configure later when the kernel is recompiled anyway |
| 18:10:42 | kergoth | jaytee: hm? |
| 18:10:43 | kergoth | JasonNJ: k |
| 18:10:51 | jaytee | numatrix: i've run pose for visor on my big linux box but never for zaurus |
| 18:11:30 | numatrix | jaytee: right; it's much easier on a 40-24 image than on the OZ 32/32 or the Sharp rom. Well, not much, but it saves you the hassle of creating a swap file. |
| 18:11:31 | jaytee | kergoth: is the split enforced when the kernel image is created or can it be controlled via command line on boot? |
| 18:11:39 | kergoth | jaytee: how would you set commandline? |
| 18:11:49 | kergoth | jaytee: you dont have access to the bootloader to adjust the kernel commandline. |
| 18:12:00 | kergoth | jaytee: so we use the CMDLINE that was set at compiletime |
| 18:12:07 | jaytee | kergoth: ok |
| 18:13:34 | tux_mike | kergoth: any clue on where i should start looking to see about link detection? |
| 18:16:51 | inomine | wow player plays mp3 on ipaq :) |
| 18:17:26 | inomine | how to skip to next track? |
| 18:17:58 | Sniper | ben: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 18:18:55 | chouimat | hi Sniper |
| 18:19:02 | Sniper | hi couimat |
| 18:19:11 | Sniper | sorry for the delay |
| 18:19:55 | chouimat | Sniper: np, when do you expect the z |
| 18:20:03 | erikd | sniper++++++++++ |
| 18:20:19 | Sniper | i am waiting as well.. it's the end of our fiscal so there's just a delay in things going on here |
| 18:20:40 | Sniper | i was out all last week at Intel's show. so now i am pushing again for this week |
| 18:22:23 | chouimat | Sniper: ok, I will panic only on the 27th :) |
| 18:22:31 | scanline | is back (gone 12:44:26) |
| 18:22:33 | Sniper | me too |
| 18:22:35 | Sniper | :-) |
| 18:23:32 | diclophis | z0r |
| 18:24:41 | tux_mike | kergoth: ping |
| 18:26:01 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room before sitting in the dry lecture halls |
| 18:26:19 | XavierXeon | has not said anything today....well nearly ;-) |
| 18:30:54 | chouimat | erikd: the deadline is 31/10/02 |
| 18:32:11 | erikd | yeah, i saw |
| 18:32:18 | erikd | that's why i'm gonna go play games |
| 18:32:20 | erikd | :) |
| 18:32:48 | chouimat | erikd: will have time to add all the things I want to add :) |
| 18:33:29 | erikd | that too |
| 18:33:34 | erikd | like a graph that works! |
| 18:33:39 | erikd | and importing/exporting |
| 18:33:47 | erikd | i think that's all that's left to do on SG |
| 18:33:53 | | Sniper was last seen on #zaurus 11 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: :-) [Mon Sep 16 19:22:35 2002] |
| 18:33:53 | diclophis | ibot seen Sniper |
| 18:33:56 | erikd | graph stuff and import/export |
| 18:34:02 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 45 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: yes [Mon Sep 16 18:49:00 2002] |
| 18:34:02 | diclophis | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 18:34:08 | chouimat | erikd: adding complete SSL support, import/export etc ... |
| 18:34:12 | diclophis | benmeyer you around? |
| 18:34:17 | cranchy | hello hello :) |
| 18:34:21 | | challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 18:34:21 | erikd | ibot challenge |
| 18:34:26 | erikd | diclophis ^^ |
| 18:34:35 | cranchy | kergoth..you home |
| 18:34:35 | erikd | that may be what you're looking for |
| 18:34:36 | cranchy | ? |
| 18:34:45 | erikd | chouimat: what're you working on? |
| 18:35:10 | diclophis | erikd thats exaclty what it was... i just wanted to make sure i didnt need to send any code in |
| 18:35:20 | erikd | :) |
| 18:35:21 | cranchy | is there a new initrd.bin image out with all the new Opie stuff? |
| 18:35:27 | diclophis | i have a question regarding xpms and buttons... |
| 18:35:29 | chouimat | erikd: a nessus client, originaly called znessus but someone released one with that name so I seeking a new name |
| 18:35:34 | diclophis | anyone ever work with those? |
| 18:35:38 | erikd | ah |
| 18:35:40 | cranchy | zessus |
| 18:35:40 | cranchy | :) |
| 18:35:41 | erikd | i havent |
| 18:35:43 | erikd | haven't |
| 18:36:17 | chouimat | cranchy: :) why not jesuce? (french for I suck) |
| 18:36:23 | diclophis | hmm well would it take more hd space having the images on the harddrive.. or compiled in.. |
| 18:36:39 | cranchy | hahaha |
| 18:36:40 | diclophis | my intuition says compiled in... as the xpm file is nuthin more that a c source code |
| 18:38:00 | erikd | ok |
| 18:38:02 | erikd | games |
| 18:38:03 | erikd | bbl |
| 18:38:06 | kergoth | ahem |
| 18:38:08 | kergoth | question |
| 18:38:22 | kergoth | should i include libmenu, libpanel, and libform in the OZ libncurses5 package? |
| 18:38:32 | kergoth | or perhaps I shoudl split them out into seperate ipks? opinions? |
| 18:38:38 | kergoth | or not include them at all? |
| 18:38:49 | chouimat | kergoth: include them |
| 18:38:52 | diclophis | are they all part of the same thing? |
| 18:39:05 | diclophis | i.e. could libmenu exist without libncurses? |
| 18:39:18 | kergoth | diclophis: libmenu depends on libncurses, not the other way around |
| 18:39:50 | kergoth | diclophis: so ncurses could exist independently of the other libs |
| 18:39:53 | diclophis | hmm i would include them then... being the Z doesnt have a formal package managment tool that does dependecy checkinhg.. or does it? |
| 18:40:02 | kergoth | diclophis: yes, it does. ipkg. |
| 18:40:18 | cranchy | kergoth: is buildroot fixed? |
| 18:40:20 | diclophis | oh.. well then.. i would do them seperelty if it were a matter of disk space |
| 18:40:30 | kergoth | cranchy: kinda sorta |
| 18:40:33 | cranchy | hahah |
| 18:40:51 | kergoth | cranchy: i'm working on it. i'm saving us some space right now by splitting out our 1400 terminfo entries into a 'extra' ipk |
| 18:41:06 | kergoth | cranchy: right now oz has 5 megs in terminfo entries.. a bit overkill i'd say |
| 18:41:09 | cranchy | cause when i flash from the current initrd stuff, I can't really ever get ipkg upgrade to work well |
| 18:41:20 | kergoth | yeah, no one can. and the feed is b0rked atm |
| 18:41:40 | kergoth | i'll send a notification to all applicable lists when things are sane again |
| 18:41:46 | cranchy | so is there a new initrd image with all the new shit in it? |
| 18:41:50 | cranchy | haha |
| 18:41:56 | cranchy | is not on any mailing lists :P |
| 18:42:03 | kergoth | bah, i'll yell about it in here too |
| 18:42:06 | cranchy | hehe |
| 18:42:27 | chouimat | kergoth: the z need which term? |
| 18:42:30 | Onyx4 | heh when I copy big files over my USB CF reader, it just hangs my whole display every 3 seconds for like 2 seconds weird |
| 18:43:05 | cranchy | needs a new initrd image :P |
| 18:43:06 | cranchy | haha |
| 18:44:16 | kergoth | cranchy: i'll be building nightly unstable initrd.bin's soon |
| 18:44:21 | cranchy | sweet |
| 18:44:25 | cranchy | unstable...PSSH :P |
| 18:44:29 | kergoth | chouimat: i'll include only the baiscs. ansi, vt100, linux, std, etc |
| 18:44:35 | kergoth | chouimat: the rest i'll put in a seperate ipk |
| 18:44:48 | cranchy | that'd be cool |
| 18:44:48 | kergoth | chouimat: (following debian's packaging convention for ncurses5) |
| 18:44:55 | chouimat | kergoth: cons25? |
| 18:45:05 | cranchy | I just want all my SharpROM stuff on OpenZ :P |
| 18:45:12 | cranchy | haha |
| 18:45:52 | kergoth | cranchy: well, the buildroot will make generating those ipks easy :) |
| 18:46:05 | cranchy | if it works :P |
| 18:46:06 | cranchy | haha |
| 18:47:08 | chouimat | cranchy: you want jeode on OZ? |
| 18:47:29 | tux_mike | kergoth: it looks like there is supposed to be linkbeat detection in 2.5 |
| 18:48:06 | benmeyer | linkbeat? |
| 18:48:21 | tux_mike | network card link |
| 18:48:31 | benmeyer | really? |
| 18:48:31 | benmeyer | very nice |
| 18:48:38 | benmeyer | only for lan? |
| 18:48:57 | tux_mike | well, wlan operates differently |
| 18:49:57 | tux_mike | hrm... the support for it is in the eepro100 driver for 2.4.19 |
| 18:51:42 | kergoth | tux_mike: the wlan cards know when they have an association and when they dont.. whats missing, the api via the network interface for a user space app to obtain that state ifnormation? |
| 18:51:47 | Onyx4 | when switching cards with the CF reader, all I have to do is unmount it and then I can safely put another one in? |
| 18:52:12 | Onyx4 | it seems like the scsi doesnt reprobe it when I eject the card |
| 18:52:41 | kergoth | Onyx4: works fine on mine.. thats all that should be necessary |
| 18:52:48 | tux_mike | kergoth: see http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0202.1/1016.html and http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0201.3/0993.html |
| 18:52:58 | tux_mike | looks like it is in 2.4 too |
| 18:53:15 | Onyx4 | kergoth: ok it was just weird, cause I said mount /mnt/flash, it said i/o error but then did it anyway |
| 18:53:25 | tux_mike | drops his shovel in favor for a backhoe :) |
| 18:53:39 | kergoth | Onyx4: yeah, i get those i/o errors too |
| 18:53:47 | Onyx4 | is re-assured :) |
| 18:53:59 | Onyx4 | other than that looks like it's working pretty well |
| 18:54:04 | Bovine | hmm, what's happend to busybox_20020911-2_arm.ipk |
| 18:54:09 | Onyx4 | you keep vfat on your CF or put ext2? for stuff like mp3 and such |
| 18:54:18 | Bovine | from http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 18:55:16 | kergoth | Bovine: it was busted. |
| 18:55:25 | kergoth | Bovine: so i removed it to prevent people from hosing their Z's |
| 18:55:40 | Bovine | oh, so following http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html is pointless then? :/ |
| 18:55:44 | kergoth | for now. |
| 18:55:47 | kergoth | I'm revamping some things |
| 18:55:53 | tux_mike | well, here goes all my cpu cycles. i'm trying to find all instance of the function "netif_carrier_on" in the whole kernel source tree |
| 18:56:03 | Bovine | is it safe to update any packages? |
| 18:58:15 | kergoth | Bovine: atd, but the new atd wont work without a decent busybox rev |
| 18:58:29 | kergoth | Bovine: few others, ipkg for example can be upgraded fine |
| 19:00:22 | bipolar | tux_mike: cpu cycles? heh.... I just started "emerge kde" on my Gentoo test system. :-) |
| 19:00:38 | Bovine | I need an updated ipkg to install things like fbvncserver correctly don't i? |
| 19:01:01 | kergoth | Bovine: nothing specific, but the default one is flaky in general. some packages will just fail |
| 19:01:10 | Bovine | ahh |
| 19:01:13 | Bovine | :/ |
| 19:01:22 | Onyx4 | kergoth: do you think it's a good idea to add "sync" to the fstab entry so that writes aren't delayed for CF? |
| 19:01:37 | Onyx4 | on the desktop that is |
| 19:02:14 | JasonNJ | hey, is anyone having problems with the embeddedkonsole package? |
| 19:02:24 | diclophis | anyon know of a good site to get some icons and images for buttons? |
| 19:02:27 | JasonNJ | like, it not showing up on the applications menu? |
| 19:02:33 | Com[Plex] | say uh. anyone here buy that bust-em game? |
| 19:02:45 | Com[Plex] | I bought it yesterday, and I cant seem to find the level editor. |
| 19:02:52 | kergoth | Onyx4: yes. that'd be a good idea on the Z as well for both sd and cf |
| 19:03:07 | Onyx4 | since it's a removeable media |
| 19:03:36 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:04:36 | Com[Plex] | anyone? |
| 19:05:57 | Onyx4 | I wonder how can I measure the speed of my USB CF reader, I'd need a little utility that does writes and reads and tells me performance |
| 19:08:39 | tux_mike | kergoth: in include/linux/netdevice.h static inline int netif_carrier_ok(struct net_device *dev) looks like it's what we need |
| 19:12:15 | kergoth | tux_mike: okay, but how does one call that from user space though? |
| 19:12:24 | kergoth | tux_mike: like, from dhcpcd? |
| 19:12:31 | tux_mike | kergoth: i would imagine |
| 19:12:42 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:12:58 | tux_mike | i would think you |
| 19:13:09 | tux_mike | 'd call this inside of dhcpcd |
| 19:13:19 | Com[Plex] | where would I go, if I had a question about the eongames "bust-em" and actually wanted an answer? |
| 19:13:19 | kergoth | thats a kernel header, not a user space one. is it a syscall? if so, we can call it from user space, if not, we cant. thats all there is to it. |
| 19:13:25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ask neo |
| 19:13:29 | Com[Plex] | neo, thanx |
| 19:13:30 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 19:13:37 | tux_mike | crap on a stick |
| 19:13:50 | tux_mike | how do we put it into userspace? |
| 19:14:19 | kergoth | we dont. |
| 19:14:25 | kergoth | there are defined interfaces into the kernel from userspace |
| 19:14:57 | kergoth | the question is, what is the normal means one uses to deal with an interface from userspace? |
| 19:15:10 | kergoth | and then, is netif_carrier_ok accessable via that means |
| 19:15:24 | tux_mike | well, let me take a look at dhcpcd and see waht header files it uses |
| 19:16:20 | kergoth | good idea. |
| 19:17:51 | tux_mike | net/if.h netinet/in.h arpi/inet.h |
| 19:17:55 | whardier | I love you all |
| 19:17:55 | tux_mike | arpa |
| 19:18:01 | whardier | here is a stick of dynamite for eveerybody.. |
| 19:18:07 | whardier | don't go spending it all in one place |
| 19:18:34 | tux_mike | packs the dynamite in a luser's pc, BOFH style |
| 19:18:53 | whardier | you know what I would do |
| 19:19:12 | whardier | I would take some liquid nitrogen in a syringe |
| 19:19:20 | whardier | and trace out all the parts of his computer |
| 19:19:22 | whardier | very carefully |
| 19:19:31 | whardier | trace open the side of his HDD |
| 19:19:40 | whardier | and all sorts of fun stuff |
| 19:19:51 | whardier | open his CDROM and trace a line across the back of the tray |
| 19:19:57 | whardier | then watch as he boots up |
| 19:20:17 | whardier | and if the hard drive fails his CDROM will fall apart when he ejects it |
| 19:20:39 | whardier | is a nerd |
| 19:20:48 | whardier | is downloading freedos |
| 19:21:48 | JasonNJ | freedos, good god. |
| 19:22:18 | tux_mike | dos is dead |
| 19:22:33 | chouimat | whardier: you're porting freedos on the z? |
| 19:22:53 | JasonNJ | actually DOS proggies on the Z would be kinda fun |
| 19:22:55 | JasonNJ | I think |
| 19:23:26 | whardier | chouimat no |
| 19:23:26 | chouimat | JasonNJ: hehe, I want to play all my old dos games |
| 19:23:26 | whardier | hehe |
| 19:23:26 | whardier | that would suck |
| 19:30:00 | tux_mike | kergoth: i'm starting to think there may be an interface flag for it |
| 19:30:36 | kergoth | tux_mike: that patch on that page changed the old interface (flag) to netif_carrier, didnt it? that implies there's a means of querying it through interface from userspace.. the question is, how |
| 19:30:55 | tux_mike | quite |
| 19:32:20 | tux_mike | well, i find 3 non driver .c files that have the netif_carrier_ok call, and they are net/sched/sch_generic.c net/core/dev.c net/core/rtnetlink.c |
| 19:33:36 | tux_mike | in dev.c it lies in the function dev_ifsioc |
| 19:33:50 | tux_mike | let's see where that is defined |
| 19:38:31 | tux_mike | kergoth: when do I know i've hit user space? :) |
| 19:39:23 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 19:42:22 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 19:45:32 | TheMasterMind1 | mutters about the buildroot |
| 19:45:51 | alex1241551`4 | #mandrake |
| 19:46:02 | numatrix | Umm; unzip appears to not work correctly in OZ. Is that right? |
| 19:46:22 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe not |
| 19:46:32 | TheMasterMind1 | bitch at the busybox people |
| 19:46:37 | numatrix | unzip: Invalid magic (0x7c2a0008): Trying to skip junk |
| 19:46:44 | angry | NeoTron, Neo|Laptop, Neo|Work: you there? |
| 19:46:44 | TheMasterMind1 | yea its fuxed |
| 19:46:48 | numatrix | I've gotten it on a few zip files, and when I scp them to my desktop, it works fine. |
| 19:47:25 | mjn3 | numatrix: which version of busybox? |
| 19:47:36 | numatrix | mjn3: BusyBox v0.61.pre (2002.09.11-21:16+0000) multi-call binary |
| 19:47:59 | mark | how do i get the trademark sign on a webpage? |
| 19:48:12 | numatrix | &tm; maybe? |
| 19:48:13 | angry | <sup>tm</sup> would that work? |
| 19:48:47 | angry | if you do <body bgcolor="crap"> you get a color that looks like crap |
| 19:48:52 | angry | hehe |
| 19:48:52 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 19:49:02 | mark | angry: heh |
| 19:49:12 | mark | numatrix: hmm just putting in &tm hasnt worked? |
| 19:49:23 | numatrix | mark, yeah, I'm trying it; there is a code for it, I just don't remember. |
| 19:49:54 | mark | numatrix: yeh, me too |
| 19:49:58 | numatrix | mark, this one: http://d0pe.com/jordan/test.htm |
| 19:49:58 | numatrix | ? |
| 19:50:04 | TheMasterMind1 | ™ |
| 19:50:19 | angry | 153 |
| 19:50:20 | angry | damnit |
| 19:50:22 | angry | too late |
| 19:50:27 | kergoth | geh, i need a drink |
| 19:50:27 | numatrix | yeah, TMM, that's it... |
| 19:50:28 | kergoth | today blows |
| 19:50:35 | mark | numatrix: there i dont see a tm sign, just the text |
| 19:50:37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth why |
| 19:50:39 | angry | my google skills pale in comparison to yours, TheMasterMind1 |
| 19:50:47 | numatrix | mark; try refreshing with it, I tried TMM's. |
| 19:50:54 | mark | numatrix: just did |
| 19:50:54 | mark | thanks |
| 19:50:57 | numatrix | np, thank TMM. |
| 19:51:06 | numatrix | If you want the (R) symbol, btw, it's ® |
| 19:51:07 | mark | thanks TheMasterMind1 |
| 19:51:20 | numatrix | And don't forget the trailing ;. I hate it when people do that... some browsers may work anyway, but their futzers. |
| 19:51:24 | mark | i'm right putting Linux(tm) aren't I? |
| 19:51:34 | numatrix | they're futzers, rather. Must always be gramatically correct when referring to people as futzers. |
| 19:51:56 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck. |
| 19:52:06 | numatrix | mjn3: any ideas about unzip? |
| 19:52:07 | TheMasterMind1 | life. |
| 19:52:24 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix unzip didn't work for me last time i tried it |
| 19:52:25 | mjn3 | numatrix: hmm. the gzip stuff in busybox hasn't changed in several weeks. a while back glenn was working on shrinking the gzip/bzip code. he would probably be interested in seeing some files that generate failures |
| 19:52:48 | numatrix | mjn3: I think it has more to do with it being compile for arm than anything since every zip I've tried failes. |
| 19:52:52 | numatrix | fails. |
| 19:53:06 | numatrix | Or not; busy box was meant to run on arm, I guess. I dunno. |
| 19:53:14 | kergoth | numatrix: gzip fails, or unzip? |
| 19:53:19 | numatrix | kergoth: unzip |
| 19:53:27 | kergoth | ah, i havent tested that |
| 19:53:32 | numatrix | :-) |
| 19:53:33 | mjn3 | numatrix: did you try building busybox on i386 and testing unzip there on the files in question? |
| 19:54:02 | numatrix | mjn3: Haven't, I just noticed it wasn't working in the most recent openzaurus version of busybox. |
| 19:54:09 | numatrix | mjn3: I'll do that now... |
| 19:54:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:54:29 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks kpacman |
| 19:56:00 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone else running latest initrd.bin ? |
| 19:56:09 | mark | hates editing html by hand. |
| 19:56:21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:56:24 | TheMasterMind1 | use frontpage ! |
| 19:56:38 | JasonNJ | man this new palm is starting to sound like a real loser |
| 19:56:43 | mark | TheMasterMind1: i usually use dreamweaver, but my trials run out :) |
| 19:56:45 | TheMasterMind1 | what new palm |
| 19:56:50 | TheMasterMind1 | mark i use vim |
| 19:56:53 | TheMasterMind1 | html is easy |
| 19:56:57 | JasonNJ | the "Tungsten" |
| 19:57:11 | JasonNJ | I originally thought it had a lot more memory, but apparently not |
| 19:57:22 | numatrix | JasonNJ: Palm's don't need much memory though; how much does it have? |
| 19:57:31 | JasonNJ | 175mhz OMAP, 8MB ROM, 16MB RAM |
| 19:57:40 | mark | TheMasterMind1: i know, i just can't make anything decent by hand |
| 19:57:41 | JasonNJ | I -thought- it had 32mb ram |
| 19:58:02 | tux_mike | jason: that sounds like a winner |
| 19:58:04 | JasonNJ | it doesnt sound like it will be able to run Linux decently |
| 19:58:12 | kergoth | JasonNJ: linux yes, opie, no |
| 19:58:13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: heh |
| 19:58:16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:58:19 | numatrix | JasonNJ: Umm, a palm running linux? Was it supposed to be able to? |
| 19:58:22 | JasonNJ | yeah and they are gonna sell it for $499 |
| 19:58:28 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 19:58:31 | kergoth | numatrix: you can.. not by default |
| 19:58:32 | JasonNJ | numa: well, we were going to try to make it to |
| 19:58:33 | kergoth | JasonNJ: eek |
| 19:58:44 | TheMasterMind1 | damn palm whores |
| 19:58:53 | JasonNJ | http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=4175 |
| 19:58:54 | numatrix | kergoth: Really? I knew people were trying, but I didn't know anyone had made any appreciable progress. |
| 19:59:13 | JasonNJ | numa: nobody has started to yet |
| 19:59:25 | kergoth | numatrix: I dont know that it does currently, but one certainly could |
| 19:59:26 | JasonNJ | we were going to consider it pending device capability |
| 19:59:26 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 19:59:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:59:41 | JasonNJ | I am hoping the new SONY's are better |
| 20:00:03 | JasonNJ | the objective would be to get more Qtopia PDA's out there |
| 20:00:45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth need any help with stuff? |
| 20:01:09 | | groucho was last seen on #opie 5 hours, 33 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: bye [Mon Sep 16 15:27:18 2002] |
| 20:01:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen groucho |
| 20:01:18 | | TheMasterMind1: i'm not following you... |
| 20:01:18 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot message |
| 20:01:22 | JasonNJ | I'm sure we could get the thing to boot linux, but it wouldnt be anything better than a demonstrator of the kernel and device drivers |
| 20:01:41 | JasonNJ | this is rather disappointing if true |
| 20:02:22 | Neo|Work | angry: I'm here now |
| 20:03:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: could run picogui .. or evas on the fb.. just not something with a large footprint like qtopia/opie + qt/e |
| 20:03:50 | kergoth | JasonNJ: but indeed, its disappointing |
| 20:04:16 | JasonNJ | you could do a "mini" openzaurus. :) |
| 20:04:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:04:47 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we had 1400 terminfo entries in oz |
| 20:04:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: 5 megs of terminal type information |
| 20:04:54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nuts |
| 20:05:01 | kergoth | finally cleaned it up |
| 20:05:05 | JasonNJ | kergoth: holy shit |
| 20:05:10 | JasonNJ | thats where all the rom went |
| 20:05:21 | kergoth | a good chunk of it.. course its compressed, but even so |
| 20:05:53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh |
| 20:05:59 | TheMasterMind1 | what else have you accomplished? |
| 20:06:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just look at the cvslogs |
| 20:06:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh ;-) |
| 20:06:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: lots of conversions to the new template in the buildroot, almost done |
| 20:06:25 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't commit anything |
| 20:06:32 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 20:06:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i didnt see any changes.. |
| 20:06:44 | TheMasterMind1 | i've been updating cvs like every minute |
| 20:06:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they all came through.. mostly late last night htough |
| 20:06:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm working on a different branch. |
| 20:06:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you wont see it unless you switch to it |
| 20:07:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: that way i didnt need the blah-new.mk shit |
| 20:07:07 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:07:10 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 20:07:16 | TheMasterMind1 | doh |
| 20:07:19 | TheMasterMind1 | that might explain it |
| 20:07:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm just changing the original .mk's on a seperate branch, then when it all works, i'll push it into cvs HEAD |
| 20:07:22 | tux_mike | kergoth: i traced dev_ifsioc back to dev_ioctl |
| 20:07:22 | Onyx4 | is happy as hell with his 512mb CF card and sandisk USB reader w00t |
| 20:07:27 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 20:07:30 | TheMasterMind1 | thats good i guess |
| 20:07:32 | TheMasterMind1 | almost done? |
| 20:07:44 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 any progress with knights? |
| 20:07:50 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 20:07:55 | kergoth | tux_mike: what ioctl is it? |
| 20:07:59 | kergoth | tux_mike: to check the status? |
| 20:08:01 | mark | Onyx4: i'll get it done soon, sorry |
| 20:08:04 | Onyx4 | the author doesn't know why it does that |
| 20:08:10 | Onyx4 | here he is :) |
| 20:08:23 | tux_mike | kergoth: i'm not sure, i don't know how kernel ioctls work |
| 20:08:24 | mark | Onyx4: i'll investigage. i'm rather busy atm, sorry, should hae time shortly |
| 20:08:32 | mark | Onyx4: you tried gnuchess too yes? |
| 20:09:08 | Onyx4 | no, it's strange because when it doesnt find phalanx, it wouldn't let me go into the preference menu |
| 20:09:14 | kergoth | tux_mike: ioctl is a syscall done from userspace. i.e. an ioctl on a character device lets me set baud rate |
| 20:09:16 | Onyx4 | but I can try again now with my freshly build version |
| 20:09:20 | mark | Onyx4: your right that its looping somewhere |
| 20:09:44 | mark | Onyx4: i had the problem (and thought i'd solved it) a while back. its odd. |
| 20:09:55 | Speedy2 | Yo! |
| 20:09:57 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 20:10:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: It works! :) |
| 20:10:05 | mark | hi Speedy2 |
| 20:10:08 | kergoth | Speedy2: congrats |
| 20:10:12 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I have a nice pretty plot of the batter charging and it's good |
| 20:10:16 | Speedy2 | battery |
| 20:10:18 | Speedy2 | Thanks! :) |
| 20:10:19 | Speedy2 | Hey mark |
| 20:10:23 | mark | what are we congratulating Speedy2 on? |
| 20:10:26 | Speedy2 | What's up with you kergoth? |
| 20:10:35 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah, i know that much. i just don't know how to figure out what names they are. |
| 20:10:36 | Onyx4 | mark: it's an interesting project anyway :) |
| 20:10:48 | kergoth | tux_mike: gotcha. |
| 20:11:26 | mark | Onyx4: heh. i dont get why its not working for you, i will try it. i haven't touched knights for a while, when i do (soon i hope) yours willl be the first I do |
| 20:11:31 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I had to do some crazy maddd filtering and stuff. It works good enough for me to discern a 1mV drop :) |
| 20:11:35 | kergoth | tux_mike: making dhcpcd pick up the change will be annoying, we'll have to periodically check the device, since we dont have a means of getting notified |
| 20:11:50 | Onyx4 | mark: maybe it's because of something in the new qt 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 library too |
| 20:11:55 | kergoth | tux_mike: but i'm sure we'll get something figured out |
| 20:12:08 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah that's what i was thinking we'd have to do |
| 20:12:09 | mark | Onyx4: oh god, i hope not :) |
| 20:13:02 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: if you try to compile his sources, see if you can see the problem again, maybe it's something with my build environment, but I just re-did it over again with opie and it's the same |
| 20:13:20 | numatrix | Speedy2: that new battery stuff for the Z? More than 3 levels of battery monitoring!? Whoppeee! |
| 20:13:44 | Speedy2 | numatrix: Uhh, no, this is not for the Z. |
| 20:13:46 | Speedy2 | That is |
| 20:13:51 | tux_mike | damn |
| 20:13:53 | Speedy2 | It can charge th Z's battery |
| 20:14:06 | tux_mike | the new BOFH stuff is funny |
| 20:14:07 | Onyx4 | what is it? digipower? |
| 20:14:09 | tux_mike | newer |
| 20:14:10 | tux_mike | :) |
| 20:14:14 | numatrix | mjn3: Compiled the same day's CVS for i386, and unzip works flawlessly on the same file. Don't know if I used the exact same options as whomever (kergoth?) did on the OZ build, but... |
| 20:14:16 | mark | tux_mike: it always is |
| 20:14:19 | Speedy2 | If I had access to documented sources and hardware info, I could write a very nice battery charger/monitor with accurate info for the Z. |
| 20:14:54 | Speedy2 | The discharge profile for the LiOn battery can be accurately modeled and you can extract % left from that |
| 20:15:03 | tux_mike | i'm trying not to laugh out loud. my office is fairly quiet right now :) |
| 20:15:26 | mjn3 | numatrix: which arm toolchain are you using? |
| 20:15:44 | numatrix | mjn3: I didn't do the arm compile, I'm using the one already compiled in the openzaurus feed... |
| 20:15:50 | numatrix | I think kergoth did it. |
| 20:15:58 | mjn3 | ah |
| 20:16:19 | numatrix | mjn3: Though I could try it with the embeddix toolchain I have here and see if I get the same results... |
| 20:19:16 | mjn3 | numatrix: which version of gcc does the embedix toolchain use? |
| 20:20:23 | kergoth | mjn3: 2.95.2, iirc. I'm using erikm's 2.95.4 toolchain in my builds. |
| 20:20:42 | tux_mike | kergoth: i think i may be able to track this down a bit better at home, i won't be working over a slow link :) |
| 20:20:55 | kergoth | tux_mike: ah yeah, lag inhibits quite a bit |
| 20:21:08 | mjn3 | kergoth: hm. i could test with gcc 3.2 and see what happens. |
| 20:23:34 | mjn3 | kergoth: i think init=(somepath)/(somescript) should be added to the kernel's builtin commandline. the default script would just exec /sbin/init. but it could be overriden to mount root off of CF or even NFS for testing, etc. |
| 20:23:36 | Speedy2 | kergoth: How goes your stuff? |
| 20:24:11 | numatrix | ehh? # ./unzip tattack.zip |
| 20:24:13 | numatrix | ./unzip: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 20:24:28 | numatrix | I just tried recompiling it myself; thought I had it working. |
| 20:24:57 | numatrix | nevermind, I'm retarded. |
| 20:24:57 | Speedy2 | slaps kergoth |
| 20:24:58 | kergoth | mjn3: ah, similar to familiar's setup |
| 20:25:02 | kergoth | Speedy2: ? |
| 20:25:03 | kergoth | Speedy2: heh |
| 20:25:09 | kergoth | Speedy2: hectic |
| 20:25:16 | Speedy2 | How are your things progressing Chris? |
| 20:26:52 | mjn3 | kergoth: actually, i'd like to nfs-mount a devel environment on the zaurus to build those stupid packages that don't support cross-compiling |
| 20:27:14 | numatrix | mjn3: I just duplicated the error; cross compiled it here and I got the same issue... |
| 20:27:32 | numatrix | mjn3: A cramfs file exists to do that.. |
| 20:27:51 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 20:27:51 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for dev_img |
| 20:27:57 | | dev_img-1.3 1.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=293 |
| 20:27:57 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for dev_img |
| 20:28:03 | mjn3 | numatrix: ah.. but not uClibc based. ;-) |
| 20:28:40 | numatrix | mjn3: True, true. That would be useful. |
| 20:28:46 | mjn3 | numatrix: could you put a file or files somewhere so that i could test with a gcc 3.2 compiled busybox? |
| 20:29:05 | numatrix | mjn3: sure; I had a zip file sitting around I was testing with. |
| 20:29:49 | numatrix | mjn3: Can you accept dcc files? I'll post it on the web otherwise. |
| 20:30:34 | mjn3 | numatrix: got it. checking.. |
| 20:31:01 | mjn3 | numatrix: arg! need to rebuild busybox... |
| 20:31:09 | numatrix | mjn3: Remember though I had no trouble when I compiled the same source for i386, it was only when I cross compiled it that it barfed. |
| 20:32:01 | Bala | numatrix: what happens if you just use zlib to unzip it? using minizip from the zlib source for example... |
| 20:32:36 | mjn3 | numatrix: i'm gcc 3.2 uclibc crosscompiling now |
| 20:32:52 | numatrix | Bala: Don't know, but I imagine it would work fine since busybox itself handles it just fine normally, and I've had a working unzip on the Z before. |
| 20:33:11 | Bala | ah.. so its jsut a recent build that got messed up? |
| 20:33:14 | numatrix | Bala: where by 'normally' I mean when I just compiled it for 386. |
| 20:33:19 | numatrix | Bala: not quite, I sorta misspoke. |
| 20:33:47 | numatrix | and the zaurus unzip here (http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=68480) works fine. |
| 20:34:52 | Bala | you sure the .zip didnt get corrupted durign the file transfer... |
| 20:35:18 | Bala | if its giving you an invalid magic number |
| 20:35:24 | mjn3 | numatrix: same failure... i'll look into it |
| 20:37:09 | numatrix | Bala: it works fine on my desktop, even after transferred to and from. We're pretty sure it's something with busybox. |
| 20:37:19 | Bala | ah k.. |
| 20:37:42 | Bala | as long as your sure :) |
| 20:37:44 | Eduardo | Hey guys...if I'm using crow |
| 20:38:12 | Eduardo | Hey guys...if I'm using crow's enhanced ROM, is there any way to use the Hancom office stuff off the rom that cam with the unit? |
| 20:38:33 | Eduardo | Or is it all or nothing? |
| 20:39:24 | numatrix | Eduardo: I assume you can since you can use the office programs with open zaurus, however, you'd need to have made the ipks from your old file system. |
| 20:40:21 | Eduardo | Hmm....well i could try redoing it...what program do I need to create the necessary ipks, or can you point me to a suitable website? |
| 20:40:33 | numatrix | Eduardo: alternatively, use the hancom creation ipks to come up with a list of files to grab and changes to make and use another tool to extract them from a rom image... |
| 20:40:49 | | Hancom_Creator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=279 |
| 20:40:50 | | Hancom_Mobile_Office >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=127 |
| 20:40:51 | | Hancom_Mobile_Paint 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=324 |
| 20:40:51 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for hancom |
| 20:40:56 | darienm | heh, beat me to it. |
| 20:40:57 | numatrix | Eduardo: check out the first link. |
| 20:41:04 | numatrix | darienm: :-) |
| 20:41:15 | darienm | nice to see others using my creation ... |
| 20:41:19 | Eduardo | Perfect...thanx! |
| 20:41:25 | numatrix | Holy crap there were a lot of new apps today on zsi. |
| 20:41:33 | numatrix | Well overflowed the main page... |
| 20:44:04 | numatrix | Ok all, I'm heading home for the day... |
| 20:44:48 | darienm | numatrix: what time zone are you in? |
| 20:44:52 | darienm | numatrix: or what city? |
| 20:47:26 | numatrix | darienm: EST (or is it EDT, I always forget). Gainesville, Florida. |
| 20:48:10 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 20:49:35 | scanline | is back (gone 02:23:34) |
| 20:51:22 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 21:01:35 | Bovine | hmm, I've installed opie-mediaplayer, and opie-libmpeg3plugin, but media player complains about not being able to find a suitable plugin for mp3 files :/ |
| 21:01:48 | Bovine | does it rely on LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 21:07:16 | angry | ibot search google for hancom |
| 21:07:21 | | angry: Google can't find hancom |
| 21:07:35 | angry | ibot search google for lewinsky |
| 21:07:37 | | angry: Google can't find lewinsky |
| 21:07:43 | | ...but ibot is an ibot.... |
| 21:07:43 | angry | ibot, you are useless |
| 21:08:05 | Bovine | ibot search google for opie-mediaplayer |
| 21:08:07 | | Bovine: Google can't find opie-mediaplayer |
| 21:08:17 | Bovine | :/ |
| 21:08:24 | Bovine | growls menacingly at ibot! |
| 21:10:00 | TheMasterMind1 | IM' BACK! |
| 21:10:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:10:05 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid caps |
| 21:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do i grab the new tree |
| 21:11:02 | Bovine | Is there any documentation for opie-mediaplayer? |
| 21:11:06 | TheMasterMind1 | no..? |
| 21:11:07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:11:09 | TheMasterMind1 | get op2 |
| 21:11:10 | | op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 21:11:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot op2 |
| 21:11:19 | Bovine | ah |
| 21:11:44 | Bovine | how do I get mediaplayer to play mp3's? I've installed opie-libmpeg... |
| 21:12:03 | Onyx4 | Bovine: you should get opieplayer2 |
| 21:12:13 | Bovine | k, but failing that... :) |
| 21:12:18 | | somebody said op2 was opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 21:12:18 | Onyx4 | ibot: op2 |
| 21:12:44 | Onyx4 | is re-encoding family guy episodes for his Z :) |
| 21:12:54 | Onyx4 | I fit one episode in 20mb |
| 21:15:39 | Bovine | what formats is that Onyx4? |
| 21:15:45 | Bovine | s/formats/format |
| 21:16:39 | Onyx4 | I use zmencoder (my little script) which converts them to divx5,mp3 sound |
| 21:16:51 | Onyx4 | but the proper video/audio format for the Z |
| 21:16:51 | Bovine | ahh |
| 21:17:10 | Bovine | so around 20MB for 20mins of video? |
| 21:17:35 | Onyx4 | eg, 320:X resolution, 22k,mono,56kbit sound |
| 21:17:54 | Onyx4 | best quality is around 2MB per minute, so a 120 min movie fits into a 256mb CF |
| 21:18:03 | Bovine | nice :) |
| 21:18:08 | Onyx4 | average/acceptable is around 1MB/minute |
| 21:18:12 | Onyx4 | cartoons are easy to compress |
| 21:19:06 | Onyx4 | I have a 512mb CF card, so I put a 2 hour movie, an one hour full mp3 album, 3-4 TV episodes, and some gameboy ROMS and some jpeg photos from my album |
| 21:19:31 | Onyx4 | it's quite nice |
| 21:19:42 | Bovine | hmm, a 1GB IBM microdrive would be handy :) |
| 21:20:02 | Onyx4 | bah microdrives are too fragile , CF is more stable |
| 21:21:24 | erikd | ahhhhh... nothing calms me down than a nice map of pure cs pwnage |
| 21:23:11 | alexw | good evening all, does anyone know of a store (or chain of stores) in the UK where I could try a Zaurus before buying? |
| 21:23:41 | Bovine | alexw: tried the usual suspects? i.e PC World etc? |
| 21:24:02 | Bovine | I wouldn't of course buy one from there, but they come in handy for testing things :) |
| 21:24:11 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: Is your zmencoder script downloadable somewhere? |
| 21:24:17 | | rumour has it mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert my movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 21:24:17 | Onyx4 | ibot: mencoder |
| 21:24:22 | alexw | yes, office world dixons/pc world/currys, comet, and staples so far |
| 21:24:26 | umopapisdn | thanks! |
| 21:24:31 | Bovine | alexw: oh :( |
| 21:24:33 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 21:24:33 | Onyx4 | ibot zmencoder is at http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 21:24:46 | extremis | kergoth: where's 2.9.7 |
| 21:24:54 | alexw | Bovine: my sentiments precisely |
| 21:25:14 | Bovine | alexw: what do you need to test? |
| 21:26:13 | erikd | bah |
| 21:26:17 | erikd | bigboss is gone =/ |
| 21:26:28 | erikd | and there's no quanta gold statically linked =/ |
| 21:26:54 | alexw | Bovine: quality of the screen indoors and outdoors, responsiveness of qtopia/applications, 'chunkyness', how the keyboard feels... I just want to get a feel of it - there is only so much I can glean from specs and reviews |
| 21:27:37 | Onyx4 | umopapisdn: I'm actually going to do another update on it today |
| 21:28:07 | dima | erikd: can I help you with Quanta gold? |
| 21:28:14 | TheMasterMind1 | extremis openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ |
| 21:29:30 | erikd | bigboss said there'd be a statically linked demo today |
| 21:29:37 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: what kind of an update? |
| 21:29:39 | erikd | the dynamic redhat one doesn't like me |
| 21:29:54 | erikd | i'm using gentoo and there's nothing for me to test it =/ |
| 21:30:06 | erikd | i have a site to work on tonight and i was going to test it on there |
| 21:30:12 | erikd | prolly buy it for my next one |
| 21:30:17 | Bovine | ok, I ask another question that's probably been ask 1000,000 times before. |
| 21:30:33 | Bovine | Is it possible to leech opera/hancomm office off the SharpZ rom? |
| 21:30:38 | Bovine | and use in OZ |
| 21:30:41 | TheMasterMind1 | Bovine yes :D |
| 21:30:45 | TheMasterMind1 | not opera |
| 21:30:47 | Bovine | :D |
| 21:30:48 | | oz is probably see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 21:30:48 | erikd | ibot oz |
| 21:30:49 | Bovine | k |
| 21:30:49 | TheMasterMind1 | but hancome and jeode |
| 21:31:02 | Bovine | jeode? |
| 21:31:06 | Onyx4 | umopapisdn: some minor improvement in the paramters for the mpeg4 codec |
| 21:31:16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf |
| 21:31:40 | Bovine | TheMasterMind1: any instructions anywhere for that? |
| 21:31:48 | | Bovine: excuse me? |
| 21:31:48 | Bovine | ibot Hancom |
| 21:31:54 | Bovine | :D |
| 21:32:00 | | Bovine: excuse me? |
| 21:32:00 | Bovine | ibot Office |
| 21:32:15 | Onyx4 | umopapisdn: it's done now. version 0.6 is online |
| 21:32:16 | Bovine | ibot help |
| 21:32:20 | | dima: excuse me? |
| 21:32:20 | dima | ibot ..... |
| 21:32:28 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 any luck with knights? |
| 21:32:34 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: odd... seems to be something wrong with my mplayer/mencoder.... it's encoding but, I can't play it, or atleast it doesn't recognize the video format. |
| 21:32:40 | TheMasterMind1 | Bovine search for hancomcreator on zsi |
| 21:32:47 | Bovine | k |
| 21:32:48 | | it has been said that mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert my movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 21:32:48 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot mencoder |
| 21:32:50 | Bovine | thanks |
| 21:32:59 | Onyx4 | make sure to have mplayed -pre7 |
| 21:33:01 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'hancomcreator'. |
| 21:33:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search zsi for hancomcreator |
| 21:33:07 | | Hancom_Creator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=279 |
| 21:33:08 | | Hancom_Mobile_Office >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=127 |
| 21:33:09 | | Hancom_Mobile_Paint 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=324 |
| 21:33:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search zsi for hancom |
| 21:33:15 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: I have a cvs version, later than pre7. |
| 21:33:28 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn oh? |
| 21:33:32 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn you compiled it? |
| 21:33:38 | Onyx4 | ok you encoded stuff before with it and it worked fine? |
| 21:33:44 | Onyx4 | I mean with mencoder |
| 21:33:55 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn did you link it to libmad? |
| 21:34:00 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: Nah, not for the z. :) |
| 21:34:03 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 21:34:04 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:34:20 | umopapisdn | just playing aroudn with Onyx4's script. |
| 21:34:23 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone here on the sharp rom'? |
| 21:34:29 | TheMasterMind1 | is there something better in cvs? |
| 21:34:32 | TheMasterMind1 | of mplayer |
| 21:34:34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth were youat? |
| 21:34:53 | TheMasterMind1 | BigBoss sup |
| 21:34:55 | Onyx4 | umopapisdn: in CVS , I'm not sure if libavcodec is present , make sure it's available |
| 21:34:58 | BigBoss | erikd: the static version of QG should be out tomorrow |
| 21:35:02 | umopapisdn | I don't know. i usually update it every week or so. for most of the time I don't notice any difference. :) |
| 21:35:20 | BigBoss | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 21:35:24 | erikd | bigboss: ah, ok |
| 21:35:25 | erikd | thanks |
| 21:35:28 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: No, it isn't but i've got that too. |
| 21:35:57 | Onyx4 | ok when you play it back , what's the error |
| 21:36:51 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: Can't find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x6F4E7246 ! |
| 21:38:30 | TheMasterMind1 | writes error messages like "You are a whore!" and "Stupid person, you don't deserve to use this program!" |
| 21:38:50 | Onyx4 | mmm this is what happens when you play the frameno.avi file? |
| 21:39:13 | Onyx4 | it looks like it did not encode any video stream |
| 21:39:28 | Onyx4 | the movie.avi is the result after 3 passes |
| 21:40:01 | umopapisdn | Yup... hmm, just looked at your script... looks like i can't watch the output until all passes are run right? :) |
| 21:41:24 | Onyx4 | correct |
| 21:41:32 | Onyx4 | you have to wait until the 3rd pass |
| 21:41:42 | umopapisdn | so that's why.. i'm just too eager... ;) |
| 21:41:43 | Onyx4 | only then video is produced, on 2nd pass video is sent out to dev null |
| 21:41:47 | burtonator | is away: coffee time |
| 21:41:50 | Onyx4 | 1st pass is actually audio only hehe |
| 21:42:15 | umopapisdn | I thought it was kinda fast, that explains why then. |
| 21:42:18 | Onyx4 | it's pretty fast tough to encode |
| 21:42:50 | Onyx4 | normally it encodes about real-time speed, so a 2 hour movie might be less than 2 hours to encode |
| 21:43:32 | umopapisdn | For me the audio is encoded just at 3x realtime... kinda slow... |
| 21:44:34 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: Damn! I really like your error messages! To the point man! :) |
| 21:51:57 | Data_ | is gone. Gone since Fri Sep 13 11:43:01 2002 |
| 21:51:59 | umopapisdn | Onyx4: It did work a little bit better when I waited until it was done. :) |
| 21:52:14 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn ;) |
| 21:52:15 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 21:54:27 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: You have compiled mplayer for the Z right? |
| 21:55:18 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 21:55:22 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: Is it downloadable somwhere? |
| 21:55:30 | TheMasterMind1 | tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 21:55:32 | TheMasterMind1 | its there |
| 21:55:43 | umopapisdn | excellent! |
| 21:56:54 | umopapisdn | Does it require any other packages? |
| 22:00:11 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:01:12 | TheMasterMind1 | gnnn |
| 22:05:17 | TheMasterMind1 | argh. |
| 22:06:20 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 22:08:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hkj9 |
| 22:08:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 22:08:52 | TheMasterMind1 | thinks |
| 22:08:59 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone familiar with opie here? |
| 22:10:06 | darienm | familiar in what sense? |
| 22:10:21 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 22:10:26 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see.. |
| 22:10:41 | TheMasterMind1 | what controls listing of apps in the different opie menus |
| 22:11:12 | darienm | like the big 'O' menu, broken down into Applications, Games, Settings, etc? |
| 22:11:21 | darienm | and also the same tabs in the launcher? |
| 22:11:25 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 22:12:08 | darienm | that's easy. http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php#8 |
| 22:12:43 | overcode | not that it matters... but are there any estimates as to the Zaurus' market share? |
| 22:12:58 | darienm | sure, one sec. |
| 22:12:59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea that's the easy question |
| 22:13:16 | TheMasterMind1 | its apps/ |
| 22:13:17 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:13:18 | darienm | http://www.simpletech.com/products/consumer/minidrive/index.php |
| 22:13:23 | darienm | overcode: see that URL |
| 22:13:34 | darienm | TheMasterMind1: so, all clear now? |
| 22:13:38 | overcode | it's a damn cool platform (I have an ipaq running qtopia, so I can also have fun), but it would be interesting to see how the platform is doing |
| 22:13:38 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm trying to figure out which source code file |
| 22:13:41 | overcode | cool, thx |
| 22:13:46 | nishi | hi everyone |
| 22:13:54 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, i want to know if i can make it look in more than that place |
| 22:13:59 | nishi | just bought the cool zaurus ... and am not disappointed |
| 22:14:04 | TheMasterMind1 | like also look in /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/.../ |
| 22:14:06 | darienm | TheMasterMind1: you mean which program or process reports those names back to Qcop requests, or such. |
| 22:14:06 | TheMasterMind1 | and /mnt/cf |
| 22:14:07 | TheMasterMind1 | etc etc |
| 22:14:14 | nishi | i have a question though ... |
| 22:14:17 | darienm | TheMasterMind1: sorry, can't help there. |
| 22:14:19 | TheMasterMind1 | which means symlinks wouldn't be needed |
| 22:14:25 | TheMasterMind1 | which would be a very very Good Thing |
| 22:14:30 | TheMasterMind1 | nishi ask away |
| 22:14:34 | darienm | nishi: Well, this is the place to hang out then. But most folks have gone home for the evening. or dinner. |
| 22:14:50 | nishi | what benefit would I get out of using OpenZaurus/Opie as against the default QT ? |
| 22:15:04 | darienm | nishi: More time sitting in IRC asking questions. |
| 22:15:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:15:15 | darienm | nishi: That's what OZ will give you this week/month. |
| 22:15:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i need someone who knows the opie source well |
| 22:15:23 | TheMasterMind1 | like kergoth.. |
| 22:15:24 | TheMasterMind1 | or ljp |
| 22:15:30 | nishi | hi darien :) yes I think this # will help me learn and share :) ... |
| 22:15:39 | roge99 | TheMasterMind1: try #opie |
| 22:15:39 | overcode | darienm: nice drive, but I see no mention of the Zaurus... |
| 22:15:51 | TheMasterMind1 | #opie is always dead |
| 22:15:52 | darienm | nishi: But typically OZ is for the geeky of the geek, and has some better interfaces and capabilities |
| 22:15:57 | darienm | overcode: damn, wrong link. hold on. |
| 22:16:05 | nishi | hmmm so is the default QT good enuff ? oic |
| 22:16:18 | nishi | yep u can consider me geeky :) ... but is it stable ? |
| 22:16:24 | darienm | overcode: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3469 |
| 22:16:31 | nishi | is opie for the zaurus or iPaq ? |
| 22:16:47 | darienm | nishi: I use the Sharp ROM, 2 of my friends do also. 2 more use OZ. No complaints from any of them, or me. |
| 22:16:53 | darienm | opie is both |
| 22:16:57 | darienm | nishi: this will help |
| 22:16:59 | | rumour has it oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 22:16:59 | darienm | ibot oz |
| 22:17:04 | | open zaurus is, like, see OpenZaurus |
| 22:17:04 | darienm | ibot open zaurus |
| 22:17:11 | | openzaurus is probably a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 22:17:11 | darienm | ibot openzaurus |
| 22:17:13 | darienm | THERE ! |
| 22:17:18 | darienm | read the last link,, the FAQ |
| 22:17:29 | nishi | cuz I downloaded "Today" from zaurus soft index and and it does not run with the 2.38 rom to which I upgraded last nite |
| 22:17:32 | nishi | ok checking :) |
| 22:17:33 | nishi | thx |
| 22:17:42 | darienm | yeah - Today is an OPIE hack. |
| 22:17:45 | darienm | brb |
| 22:17:57 | nishi | sure darien |
| 22:18:24 | nishi | so it wouldn't work then w/ QT ... it installs but nothing happens when I clik on it |
| 22:18:47 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 22:18:52 | TheMasterMind1 | just had an ingenious idea |
| 22:18:56 | TheMasterMind1 | where the hell is kergoth |
| 22:19:54 | overcode | darienm: better than I thought, actually. |
| 22:20:23 | nishi | so it wouldn't work then w/ QT ... it installs but nothing happens when I clik on it |
| 22:21:22 | VERItas | does anyone know what cf cards work on the 5500? |
| 22:21:32 | VERItas | and whats a zaurus a300 |
| 22:21:43 | nishi | i have netgear ... and have tried one from ambicom. |
| 22:21:46 | | i guess a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale or a pxa210 |
| 22:21:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot a300 |
| 22:21:54 | VERItas | i'm looking for cheap. |
| 22:22:09 | nishi | these are wireless LAN (802.11b) cards veritas |
| 22:22:11 | | card compatibility is probably http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
| 22:22:11 | darienm | ibot card compatibility |
| 22:22:12 | TheMasterMind1 | VERItas wireless? |
| 22:22:16 | darienm | VERItas: follow that link |
| 22:22:17 | VERItas | i have to spend 800 on a plane ticket then i don't really know if i will have money after that. |
| 22:22:31 | VERItas | no. not wireless. |
| 22:22:34 | TheMasterMind1 | VERItas get the linksys wcf12 wifi on buy.com for $62 shipped |
| 22:22:41 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 22:22:42 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 22:22:47 | TheMasterMind1 | buy.com has the best prices |
| 22:22:50 | TheMasterMind1 | on almost everything |
| 22:22:52 | nishi | is there one place where there are tonnes of Zaurus links listed ? |
| 22:22:53 | TheMasterMind1 | including the Zaurus |
| 22:23:05 | | wiki is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HandheldsWiki or http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/ |
| 22:23:05 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wiki |
| 22:23:09 | VERItas | rural areas of iceland don't really have access points for 802.11 b. |
| 22:23:14 | TheMasterMind1 | nishi there ^ |
| 22:23:16 | TheMasterMind1 | the wiki |
| 22:23:43 | nishi | what is wiki ? |
| 22:23:48 | nishi | thx ibot |
| 22:24:31 | VERItas | does anyone use pricewatch.com anymore? |
| 22:25:07 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 22:25:10 | Wembly | dont think so. |
| 22:27:29 | BZFlag | VERItas: I do once in a while. which do you prefer? |
| 22:28:13 | darienm | goes home to eat, only to return later *sigh* |
| 22:28:41 | | okay, BZFlag. |
| 22:28:41 | BZFlag | ibot wiki is also a user-editable web site |
| 22:29:28 | nishi | is it possible to install apps on the SD/MMC card instead of RAM ? |
| 22:29:39 | Onyx4 | of course |
| 22:29:58 | nishi | i tried a few and always get a dialog box saying "ipkg says something went wrong". MY SD card is visible ... |
| 22:30:01 | nishi | plz help |
| 22:30:45 | dima | nishi: maybe symlinks are used in package |
| 22:30:53 | darienm|away | nishi: Two things I've seen. (1) Bad packages made by bad developers won't install to SD. (2) Sometimes the SD card goes into read-only mode - unmount and remount it. |
| 22:31:25 | dima | nishi: using of ext2 fs instead of vfat helps often |
| 22:31:47 | darienm|away | ... but also has some drawbacks (can't be read with desktop readers) |
| 22:31:55 | dima | nishi: but it's hard to read such cards on windows systems |
| 22:34:14 | nishi | brb ph call |
| 22:35:40 | nishi | aah i c |
| 22:35:56 | nishi | hmmm so it would be a trial and error mech |
| 22:37:43 | nishi | guyz gotta go now ... tks for the pointers and help ... see u around |
| 22:42:25 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 01:51:03) |
| 22:45:57 | whardier | throws a pixel at scanline |
| 22:46:22 | scanline | ow |
| 22:46:24 | scanline | that was a big pixel! |
| 22:46:26 | scanline | puts whardier in a higher resolution video mode |
| 22:47:14 | whardier | Nooo! |
| 22:47:22 | whardier | now I am interlaced and nobody can click on me!! |
| 22:47:24 | whardier | so sad |
| 22:51:12 | TheMasterMind1 | BZFlag you there? |
| 22:51:14 | whardier | drinking my 40 |
| 22:51:17 | whardier | in soco! |
| 22:51:25 | whardier | eatin polo looocoo |
| 22:51:28 | whardier | in soco! |
| 22:51:33 | whardier | needs to die |
| 22:51:49 | TheMasterMind1 | BZFlag i tested rom-hancomsheet.mk and it works good on oz. you planning on creating some for the other hancom and jeode stuff or should i? |
| 22:54:14 | whardier | punches TheMasterMind1 |
| 22:54:21 | whardier | I played your little game as a kid right |
| 22:54:34 | whardier | beat a few thugs at school |
| 22:54:41 | whardier | they proceded to beat me ! |
| 22:54:43 | whardier | you suck |
| 22:58:46 | whardier | punches addamgc |
| 22:58:50 | whardier | did you feel left out! |
| 22:59:18 | whardier | go on |
| 22:59:19 | whardier | split! |
| 22:59:24 | whardier | if thats the only way to escape! |
| 23:00:32 | whardier | panzyasses! |
| 23:06:05 | | i heard mplayer was at http://mplayer.dev.hu/homepage/ or at http://kirk.math.twsu.edu/family/james/mplayer.html |
| 23:06:05 | badalex | ibot mplayer |
| 23:06:39 | | somebody said zmencoder was at http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 23:06:39 | badalex | ibot zmencoder |
| 23:06:57 | | okay, BZFlag. |
| 23:06:57 | BZFlag | ibot mplayer is also debian feed: "deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main" |
| 23:07:30 | badalex | BZFlag: are they gonna port mplayer pre7? |
| 23:07:33 | badalex | sometime soon |
| 23:08:24 | BZFlag | re lilo: or perhaps it's a bad time. ;-) |
| 23:08:31 | badalex | hrm guess thats a no |
| 23:08:52 | BZFlag | 0.90pre7-0.0 |
| 23:09:18 | BZFlag | is that the newest? that's what's on http://marillat.free.fr/ |
| 23:10:01 | badalex | lol, in ipkg format thought is that on there |
| 23:10:18 | badalex | or how do you install a *.deb |
| 23:10:23 | BZFlag | ah, nope. that's for debian x86 |
| 23:10:39 | badalex | BZFlag: lol, k thanks anyways |
| 23:15:15 | Xentac | is back (gone 00:02:08) |
| 23:34:56 | robmur | Hi. I'm getting an oops with usbdnet in 2.4.19. Is there a fix? |
| 23:35:44 | Xentac | robmur: apart from taking down the interface before removing the device? |
| 23:36:33 | robmur | It still oopses the next time I plug it in if I do ifdown usb0 before disconnecting. |
| 23:37:26 | Xentac | really? |
| 23:37:41 | Xentac | that's not what happens to me... |
| 23:37:53 | Xentac | what if you just ifconfig usb0 down? |
| 23:42:39 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 2 hours, 13 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: set it in /etc/init.d/opie, or use opie-login [Mon Sep 16 22:29:11 2002] |
| 23:42:39 | nasa | ibot seen kergoth |
| 23:43:02 | | I haven't seen 'ijp', nasa |
| 23:43:02 | nasa | ibot seen ijp |
| 23:43:11 | | ljp was last seen on #opie 1 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: I dont totally disagree with you [Tue Sep 17 00:42:10 2002] |
| 23:43:11 | nasa | ibot seen ljp |
| 23:43:40 | nasa | Hey ljp: any new info on the sd card problem? |
| 23:44:06 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 14 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: of course [Mon Sep 16 23:29:39 2002] |
| 23:44:06 | kagemusha | ibot seen Onyx4 |
| 23:44:24 | GearheadSMP | #help |
| 23:44:29 | GearheadSMP | ack |
| 23:47:21 | kagemusha | what's the approximate release date on oz 3.0? |
| 23:48:04 | TheMasterMind1 | it'll take a while methinks |
| 23:48:13 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.9.7 will be out soon i think |
| 23:48:25 | TheMasterMind1 | for now, use tjhsst.edu/~agupta/initrd.bin-2.9.9 |
| 23:48:32 | TheMasterMind1 | and tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ as your feed |
| 23:48:38 | robmur | xentac: I'll try it tomorrow, I'm going to bed now. |
| 23:48:47 | whardier | GearheadSMP has two brains? |
| 23:49:05 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha: that jeode ipk looks like it'll work but i haven't tried yet |
| 23:49:06 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: do you know if these roms address the sd problems ljp and I have reported? |
| 23:49:13 | robmur | goodnight. |
| 23:49:17 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: what sd problems? |
| 23:49:27 | TheMasterMind1 | i seem to have missed those.. |
| 23:49:35 | kagemusha | TheMasterMind1: What do you mean it "looks like" it wil work? |
| 23:49:50 | Xentac | robmur: night |
| 23:49:59 | GearheadSMP | sorry, I was looking up IRC commands in Opera |
| 23:50:06 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: Installing apps to the sd card and trying to run them (from the sd card or apps like oipkg/ipkg) would lock up the app or qpe |
| 23:50:07 | whardier | you missed |
| 23:50:10 | whardier | heh |
| 23:50:11 | whardier | :) |
| 23:50:45 | whardier | ping floods GearheadSMP's Zaurus |
| 23:51:07 | GearheadSMP | lol |
| 23:51:07 | kagemusha | that's not very nice |
| 23:51:27 | whardier | mwa ha ha |
| 23:53:54 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: Do you use a sd card to install apps too? |
| 23:54:03 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha: i looked at the contents and the paths and stuff are fine |
| 23:54:05 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: yes |
| 23:54:17 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: works fine for me, never had a problem with that.. |
| 23:54:22 | GearheadSMP | (offtopic) I saw a gas station in N. Arkansas called "Cum & Go" |
| 23:54:27 | TheMasterMind1 | which initrd.bin is this causing problems in |
| 23:54:27 | nasa | lucky you |
| 23:55:00 | nasa | both the beta version and the testing version |
| 23:55:17 | nasa | testing = 2.9.6 |
| 23:55:20 | GearheadSMP | I'm using the Crow ROM, and it's stabler than OZ |
| 23:55:21 | TheMasterMind1 | which is beta? |
| 23:55:24 | TheMasterMind1 | and which kernel? |
| 23:55:35 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, i think the sd issue was with the kernel |
| 23:55:39 | TheMasterMind1 | the 2.4.7 kernel |
| 23:56:06 | nasa | beta = initrd-2.9.5.5.bin and zImage-32 |
| 23:56:08 | kagemusha | GearheadSMP: Crow ROM? |
| 23:56:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 23:56:15 | TheMasterMind1 | really.. |
| 23:56:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i never had a problem with that |
| 23:56:21 | GearheadSMP | yes |
| 23:56:24 | nasa | Yeah |
| 23:56:27 | TheMasterMind1 | if its not working in beta either, that's not good |
| 23:56:34 | kagemusha | GearheadSMP: what's that? |
| 23:57:08 | GearheadSMP | It's on the ZaurusZone; |
| 23:57:22 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: what happens is that apps that are installed to the sd card start ding with "D" processes and eventually lead to ope going "D" |
| 23:57:35 | GearheadSMP | under 'General Stuff' |
| 23:58:28 | kagemusha | GearheadSMP: I don't see 'General Stuff', only news forums downloads and links |
| 23:58:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:58:35 | kagemusha | zauruszone.com right? |
| 23:58:53 | TheMasterMind1 | crow's rom is more of a 5000d rom |
| 23:58:59 | TheMasterMind1 | made because of the limited space etc |
| 23:59:03 | | contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 23:59:03 | ciaolinux | ibot: contest |
| 23:59:07 | TheMasterMind1 | and opie/oz have become a lot more stable in the last few weeks |
| 23:59:07 | GearheadSMP | yes, try the Actiive Topics |
| 23:59:09 | nasa | kagemusha: were would I find the ipkg you referred to earlier |
| 23:59:43 | kagemusha | nasa: go to zauruszone.com/feed and get jeodcreator ipk, then run that on a Z with the Sharp ROM |