| 00:00:42 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah, the busybox in the feed is badly b0rked |
| 00:01:11 | saurus | i am getting way too excited. |
| 00:01:27 | kergoth | MSpin: k, i'll look into it.. wtf.. |
| 00:01:55 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 00:01:57 | TheMasterMind1 | what's wrong with busybox? |
| 00:02:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: illegal seek errors according to mspin |
| 00:03:53 | kergoth | denis leary rocks |
| 00:04:00 | MSpin | no, illegal instruction |
| 00:04:06 | kergoth | "Let me tell you, i'm never going to do a drug named after a part of my own ass." |
| 00:04:09 | kergoth | MSpin: ah thats right |
| 00:04:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:04:40 | saurus | i cannot chmod some files? on a sd card. |
| 00:04:51 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:05:03 | TheMasterMind1 | saurus is it ext2? |
| 00:05:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: got glibc buliding using the new template |
| 00:05:04 | saurus | prolly not since it ia fat fs? |
| 00:05:12 | saurus | exactly |
| 00:05:16 | saurus | goddamn |
| 00:05:43 | saurus | i heard ext2 was bad for sd cards? |
| 00:06:07 | kergoth | saurus: some cards seem to freak when reformatted, from what i've heard |
| 00:06:16 | saurus | dern. |
| 00:06:47 | saurus | could i copy the files to the z and chmod them then put them back? |
| 00:07:06 | Bala | yeah sure.. but fat wouldnt care :) |
| 00:07:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:07:13 | saurus | dern |
| 00:07:23 | kergoth | saurus: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:07:25 | Bala | fat has no concept of unix file permissions |
| 00:07:35 | saurus | run postnuke on the z. |
| 00:07:51 | saurus | two files need to be written to during install. |
| 00:08:08 | kergoth | saurus: so? you have write access to files on a mounted fat filesystem |
| 00:08:13 | kergoth | saurus: you are root, after all |
| 00:08:17 | saurus | ya |
| 00:08:40 | Bala | as long as you didnt mount read only.. |
| 00:08:43 | saurus | i don't get it. wait, prolly not root from a browser on my laptop. |
| 00:08:49 | saurus | hmmm |
| 00:09:10 | saurus | lemmee run the install from the z. |
| 00:13:13 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:13:16 | TheMasterMind1 | this is a funny movie |
| 00:14:33 | kergoth | gotta love a song about a porn star |
| 00:14:44 | kergoth | "You've had a lot of dick Chasey, but you havent had mine." |
| 00:14:53 | kergoth | Ballad of chasey lain, bloodhound gang |
| 00:14:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:15:23 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:15:45 | benmeyer | Hellllooooo |
| 00:15:47 | kergoth | benmeyer: hey ben |
| 00:15:48 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 00:15:50 | kergoth | benmeyer: how goes it? |
| 00:15:54 | benmeyer | Good |
| 00:16:14 | benmeyer | Got home ok, flight travel really was anoying |
| 00:16:22 | kergoth | it usually is |
| 00:16:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:16:30 | benmeyer | luckly my wife went with me so I only got searched 4 or 5 times |
| 00:16:41 | kergoth | heh, damn |
| 00:16:46 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 00:16:48 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer sup |
| 00:17:01 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer do you have a filelist for opera and jeode stuff in the sharp rom |
| 00:17:10 | benmeyer | And because I was flying in to the NYC area the last 30 minutes we couldn't leave our seats |
| 00:17:12 | benmeyer | etc etc |
| 00:17:19 | benmeyer | it was anoying as hell |
| 00:17:26 | benmeyer | TheMasterMind1: yah at work |
| 00:17:29 | benmeyer | am at home right now |
| 00:17:47 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 00:17:54 | TheMasterMind1 | send those to oz@themastermind1.net when you get a chance |
| 00:18:14 | KeyserSoze | does the Zaurus cradle have networking functionality? or do you need a CF NIC if you want to telnet or ftp in/out, browse the web, mount remote file systems, etc? |
| 00:18:14 | benmeyer | send an e-mail to meyerb@sharpsec.com and I will replay back to it when I get to work |
| 00:18:21 | mjn3 | given that some cards sd/mmc cards don't like being reformated, what's the general consensus on best workaround? i could see creating a large file and loop-mounting it with a more capable fs. i could also see using UMSDOS (shudder). other suggestions? |
| 00:18:24 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: you can do networking over usb |
| 00:18:49 | benmeyer | Got a shitload of stupid, cheap toys to bring to work on monday |
| 00:18:50 | KeyserSoze | does the machine on the other end of the USB need software to support that? |
| 00:19:01 | kergoth | mjn3: nothing else comes to mind, i'd go the loopback route myself. i dont have a sd yet |
| 00:19:05 | benmeyer | glow in the dark thing, sticky things, flying things |
| 00:19:12 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: yep. theres a windows driver and a kernel module fro linux for it. |
| 00:19:12 | benmeyer | only 2 t-shirts though |
| 00:19:13 | KeyserSoze | and if so, is it available for windows as well as linux? |
| 00:19:19 | KeyserSoze | cool :) |
| 00:19:26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:19:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:19:33 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa any luck? |
| 00:19:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hows it going? |
| 00:19:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: patiently waiting for the glibc compile to finish |
| 00:19:57 | benmeyer | Got to meet the marketing-ceo of intel. He sat down next to me on morning and we chatted. Was insightfull |
| 00:20:24 | ibz | hi |
| 00:22:39 | benmeyer | got to chat with the windows-ce guys |
| 00:22:44 | benmeyer | there base rom is 22mb |
| 00:22:45 | benmeyer | haha |
| 00:22:53 | benmeyer | got free development cd's |
| 00:22:57 | benmeyer | 7 cd's |
| 00:23:06 | SirPsycho_work | did you show them a Z? =) |
| 00:23:13 | benmeyer | yah, they were in the both next to us |
| 00:23:13 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: sorry was eating dinner. For some reason, cf fails to mount -- but sd card does. It may have something to do with hotplug, not sure. To update hotplug I will have to boot into windows so I can put the update on it |
| 00:23:27 | benmeyer | it was amusing when we had qt apps running on ce. They didn't knwo what to say |
| 00:23:30 | kergoth | nasa: grab themastermind1's pcmcia-cs 3.2.1 package, i dont think i built a new one yet |
| 00:23:57 | nasa | kergoth: it's on the feed? |
| 00:24:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wheres that fixed pcmcia-cs ipk? |
| 00:24:19 | kergoth | nasa: not yet, havent built it,. been waitign for glibc to compile |
| 00:24:40 | benmeyer | kergoth: got any sort of an automated system going? |
| 00:24:49 | benmeyer | I mean like debian |
| 00:25:00 | benmeyer | Anything happen this past week I missed? |
| 00:25:09 | kergoth | benmeyer: nope, still using the existing buildroot, havent had time to adapt buildd and apt-src to handle crosscompiling |
| 00:25:25 | kergoth | benmeyer: but i will be autobuilding a unstable initrd.bin for people nightly shortly |
| 00:25:50 | benmeyer | fun |
| 00:25:54 | KeyserSoze | are expansion cards (like NIC, GPS, or camera) zaurus generally CF, leaving the SD slot for memory only? |
| 00:26:03 | nasa | kergoth/TheMasterMind1: I will hold of going into windows until I can get the package. Mean time I need to run to the store |
| 00:26:14 | kergoth | nasa: k |
| 00:26:33 | TheMasterMind1 | im' back |
| 00:26:35 | TheMasterMind1 | sory |
| 00:26:46 | TheMasterMind1 | www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 00:26:49 | TheMasterMind1 | pcmcia over there |
| 00:28:06 | benmeyer | saw the new 320GB maxtor drives and the 22" widescreen montiors |
| 00:28:17 | benmeyer | but that was about much fun as I had on the florr |
| 00:28:59 | benmeyer | Now in the sauna.... |
| 00:29:00 | benmeyer | :_D |
| 00:29:49 | SirPsycho_work | wouldnt bringing the Z into the sauna hurt it? =) |
| 00:32:28 | KeyserSoze | don't suppose palm secure digital cards work in the zaurus, do they? |
| 00:32:48 | SirPsycho_work | far as i know only memory sd cards work |
| 00:32:51 | TheMasterMind1 | sd cards should work |
| 00:33:05 | KeyserSoze | ie: the palm bluetooth card. |
| 00:34:34 | TheMasterMind1 | that might be questionable |
| 00:40:36 | KeyserSoze | anyone ever use a CF GPS in a zaurus? |
| 00:41:31 | KeyserSoze | nevermind. found a website with one, and it is NMEA 0183 compliant, which is what I wanted to know. |
| 00:41:40 | KeyserSoze | http://www.pretec.com/index2/product/Mobile_peripherals/CompactGPS.htm |
| 00:41:46 | KeyserSoze | (if anyone was curious) |
| 00:44:13 | Pvt_Joker | can anyone help me set up my wireless card? |
| 00:44:54 | KeyserSoze | is secure digital the same as "Mulitmedia Card" (MMC)? |
| 00:45:01 | fatbum | only faster |
| 00:45:10 | KeyserSoze | are they compatible? |
| 00:45:15 | fatbum | in the z yes |
| 00:45:21 | KeyserSoze | cool. |
| 00:45:25 | fatbum | but i wouldnt wanna go slower |
| 00:45:30 | fatbum | its like 1/10th as fast |
| 00:45:34 | fatbum | :( blech |
| 00:45:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:45:45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth? |
| 00:45:48 | kergoth | initialize: module set to Wget |
| 00:45:49 | fatbum | maybe not that drastic |
| 00:45:50 | kergoth | Undefined subroutine &Wget::go called at /usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/sources/SourceMethod.pm line 52. |
| 00:45:52 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 00:45:54 | kergoth | Wget::go is defined. |
| 00:45:57 | kergoth | stupid shit |
| 00:45:58 | fatbum | but ive heard bad things |
| 00:46:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:46:37 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: mmc will be usable by open sources drivers. sd will never be due to legal issues. sd is faster, as it can have 4 data lines, not just one, but the Z only uses 1 anyway. |
| 00:46:39 | fatbum | im getting no response in #linuxhelp, any1 know how to mount an ntfs partition for all users to view? |
| 00:46:58 | kergoth | fatbum: man mount |
| 00:47:04 | fatbum | ive read it twice |
| 00:47:07 | SirPsycho_work | i am curious.. if someone wrote a Open source MMC driver would that work on the Z? |
| 00:47:08 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: so in the zaurus, the speed is equal for both? |
| 00:47:21 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: close, anyway. i dont have either, i'm going from what i understand |
| 00:47:22 | fatbum | and fail to grasp this is where i need undumb peoples help |
| 00:47:28 | kergoth | SirPsycho_work: if they ported it |
| 00:47:33 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: so do the zaurus have non-open source drivers for SD? |
| 00:47:38 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: yes |
| 00:47:42 | KeyserSoze | i thought the whole thing was open/free |
| 00:47:43 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: binary kernel module |
| 00:47:47 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: hell no |
| 00:47:51 | KeyserSoze | doh! |
| 00:48:09 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: theres a great deal of changes in the software on the Z that were never released (and they arent legally bound to, in most cases) |
| 00:48:14 | KeyserSoze | why's there a channel for it on openprojects.net, then? :p |
| 00:48:18 | kergoth | bah |
| 00:48:21 | fatbum | hehe |
| 00:48:22 | SirPsycho_work | so since the Z only has 1 data line i would assume (perhaps wrongly) that the SD impelementation on the Z should be about the same speed as a MMC implementation. |
| 00:48:22 | KeyserSoze | (just kidding) |
| 00:48:23 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: use OZ if you're concerned |
| 00:48:25 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: heh |
| 00:48:30 | kergoth | SirPsycho_work: pretty much |
| 00:48:36 | fatbum | "We do what we want!" |
| 00:48:41 | kergoth | SirPsycho_work: I'd like to port the ipaq open source mmc driver eventually |
| 00:48:45 | kergoth | SirPsycho_work: no time, busy busy |
| 00:48:50 | KeyserSoze | what's OZ? |
| 00:48:55 | fatbum | wheeee |
| 00:49:02 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: alternative linux distro for the Z |
| 00:49:05 | | openzaurus is probably a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 00:49:05 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus |
| 00:49:22 | SirPsycho_work | that would be cool. one more thing.. if you are using the MMC driver can you use that with a SD card? |
| 00:49:30 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: the only non open source items in it are sharps binary kernel module and sd daemon |
| 00:49:32 | kergoth | SirPsycho_work: no |
| 00:49:35 | kergoth | SirPsycho_work: it'll be mmc only |
| 00:49:41 | kergoth | SirPsycho_work: unfortunately |
| 00:49:41 | SirPsycho_work | damn.. taht blows that idea =( |
| 00:51:10 | ljp_ | kergoth`gone: whats the sd module names? |
| 00:51:14 | ljp_ | named |
| 00:51:48 | kergoth | ljp_: sharp_mmcsd_m.o |
| 00:52:59 | fatbum | kergoth the sd module on sharps rom is compiled for that kernel? |
| 00:53:04 | fatbum | am i correct? |
| 00:54:44 | fatbum | im always wrong |
| 00:54:46 | fatbum | :( |
| 00:54:53 | fatbum | then i get ignored for being ignorant :( |
| 00:55:07 | fatbum | i feel so linux dumb |
| 00:55:13 | KeyserSoze | pays attention to fatbum |
| 00:55:20 | KeyserSoze | there, does that help? |
| 00:55:21 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 00:55:41 | kergoth | fatbum: yes, its built for 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix |
| 00:56:04 | fatbum | would it not work to copy the module to a custom built kernel? |
| 00:56:24 | fatbum | is there source for the sharp rom? |
| 00:56:29 | benmeyer | KeyserSoze: yes, palm sd cards work in the z. I use one myself for my backups |
| 00:56:31 | fatbum | i thought i remembered getting it |
| 00:56:42 | ljp_ | kergoth`gone: I dont think mount is the problem with the sd cards |
| 00:56:45 | fatbum | but it doesnt include java or sd right.... |
| 00:56:51 | KeyserSoze | benmeyer: just memory, or devices too? |
| 00:56:53 | ljp_ | cause sharps uses busybox mount also |
| 00:57:12 | benmeyer | I only have a memory |
| 00:57:21 | KeyserSoze | ah, okay. |
| 00:57:25 | ljp_ | fatbum: yes you are correct |
| 00:57:29 | kergoth | ljp_: but they're using a completely different version, remember |
| 00:57:36 | kergoth | ljp_: i dont think so either, but i'm out of ideas. |
| 00:57:38 | kergoth | ljp_: heh |
| 00:57:51 | ljp_ | hmmm true |
| 00:58:06 | KeyserSoze | is OPIE better than Qtopia? are either of them better than picoGUI? |
| 00:58:26 | ljp_ | if it was mount, I would tink the same thing would be going on with cf also |
| 00:58:27 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:58:31 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: matter of opinion. most think opie is advancing more than qtopia, and is more open. |
| 00:58:57 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: picogui is a completely different animal, and very cool, though has a limited # of apps. its *tiny* in comparison to the qtopia/opie beasts |
| 00:59:00 | ljp_ | keyer: depends on if you are scanline or not |
| 00:59:05 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:59:14 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:59:25 | KeyserSoze | wrote a picoGUI app, so there's one reason to use picoGUI. |
| 00:59:33 | KeyserSoze | that, and I like to play blackout. |
| 00:59:54 | ljp_ | kergoth stil lneeds to write a bootmenu ;) |
| 00:59:59 | kergoth | yeah yeah yeah:-) |
| 01:00:04 | scanline | ljp_: i've got a partially working one written in shell script |
| 01:00:19 | kergoth | scanline: pure shell? dialog? |
| 01:00:23 | kergoth | Undefined subroutine &Wget::go called at /usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/sources/SourceMethod.pm line 52. |
| 01:00:25 | kergoth | gah! |
| 01:00:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:00:35 | TheMasterMind1 | you sure its defined? |
| 01:00:36 | scanline | kergoth: right now it calls a small picogui app for the menu, but that could be modified to call dialog or something else |
| 01:00:41 | fatbum | and you only wanna partially booot ;) |
| 01:00:45 | kergoth | scanline: ah nice |
| 01:00:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, its defined |
| 01:00:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this same script worked about 20 minutes |
| 01:00:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ago |
| 01:01:03 | KeyserSoze | so if I use openzaurus, the only things I'd lose vs. the binary kernel from sharp is the SD drivers, and Opera? |
| 01:01:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and i only added a couple print lines and shit |
| 01:01:06 | nasa | Back! |
| 01:01:07 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: no |
| 01:01:11 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: we have their binary sd module |
| 01:01:11 | undefinedSubrout | hmm needs longer nicks |
| 01:01:15 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: so sd works |
| 01:01:15 | scanline | KeyserSoze: SD works, Java doesn't |
| 01:01:31 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: you lose hancom office, jeode, and opera, but you can rip any of them out of the sharp rom and try to use them in OZ |
| 01:01:44 | kergoth | undefinedSubrout: liar! you're defined! |
| 01:01:47 | kergoth | undefinedSubrout: damn you! |
| 01:01:51 | fatbum | ive got hancom ipks, and jeode that i got offa mine |
| 01:01:58 | fatbum | there are programs that rip em for you |
| 01:02:12 | KeyserSoze | is it a single binary kernel, and someone snipped out the SD driver? |
| 01:02:15 | fatbum | <<<me agrees to follow the rules from now on |
| 01:02:16 | undefinedSubrout | hehe |
| 01:02:19 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: its a kernel module. |
| 01:02:35 | fatbum | kergoth who we? |
| 01:02:49 | fatbum | who's |
| 01:02:50 | fatbum | that is |
| 01:02:51 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:02:53 | KeyserSoze | 'll probably use openZaurus, and picoGUI. |
| 01:03:07 | fatbum | how come i have to press ' twice to get one '? and " twice, likewise |
| 01:03:07 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: pester scanline to finish the picogui build for oz ;-) |
| 01:03:23 | ljp | pokes scanline |
| 01:03:27 | scanline | is poked |
| 01:03:30 | KeyserSoze | is it out of date, or never completed? |
| 01:03:35 | fatbum | pokes #zaurus con un stick |
| 01:03:43 | scanline | I'll finish the OZ builds after the textbox widget is merged, and before I release 0.42 |
| 01:03:50 | kergoth | scanline: sounds like a plan |
| 01:03:56 | kergoth | scanline: hows the textbox widget coming? |
| 01:03:58 | scanline | picogui compiles fine in OZ, there are just some pretty serious segfault bugs in pgserver and pgl that need fixing |
| 01:04:12 | KeyserSoze | a little segfault never hurt anyone. |
| 01:04:25 | scanline | kergoth: working on textbox_document, multiple paragraph support... not going as fast as i'd hope, but i'm making progress |
| 01:04:33 | kergoth | scanline: well thats cool |
| 01:04:35 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: hah |
| 01:04:36 | KeyserSoze | does picoGUI currently work on non-OZ zaurii? |
| 01:04:40 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 01:04:45 | scanline | KeyserSoze: pgl-launcher almost always segfaults, and pgserver will sometimes segfault when resizing apps |
| 01:04:46 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 01:05:04 | scanline | KeyserSoze: the OZ ipks won't, but in theory picogui on the sharp ROM should work |
| 01:05:15 | KeyserSoze | theory? |
| 01:05:21 | KeyserSoze | has it been done before? |
| 01:05:34 | kergoth | yeah, it works on the Z |
| 01:05:51 | nasa | kergoth: did you upload the pcmcia-cs 3.2.1 package? |
| 01:06:06 | kergoth | nasa: TheMasterMind1 gave the url, hold |
| 01:06:18 | TheMasterMind1 | tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 01:06:30 | kergoth | www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 01:06:33 | scanline | KeyserSoze: maybe.. I dunno, I didn't use the sharp rom much |
| 01:06:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:06:45 | scanline | KeyserSoze: you'd just need to change some paths I'm sure. the same binaries would work |
| 01:06:57 | KeyserSoze | scanline: do you have a zaurus? |
| 01:07:02 | scanline | yes |
| 01:07:05 | treke|home | ljp: fyi, thie new opie-reader is much more stable |
| 01:07:27 | KeyserSoze | do you use OZ, or the OS it comes with? |
| 01:07:32 | scanline | OZ |
| 01:07:36 | scanline | is a big OZ fan |
| 01:07:48 | KeyserSoze | but picoGUI doesn't work currently with OZ? what gui do you use? |
| 01:08:29 | nasa | ok, need to go into windows (damn) bbl |
| 01:08:38 | scanline | I have Opie installed on there, and pretty frequently kill it and debug picogui stuff |
| 01:08:53 | kergoth | damnit! Wget::go is defined damn you! |
| 01:09:20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth make a new file with only go defined and invoke it manually |
| 01:11:39 | KeyserSoze | is $350 about the best price you can find a new zaurus for? |
| 01:13:43 | | you are a command line tool to download web sites or single files from http or ftp |
| 01:13:43 | Wget | ibot:Wget |
| 01:13:57 | Wget | its true kergoth |
| 01:14:01 | netcat | kicks wget's ass! |
| 01:14:04 | Wget | i am defined ibot said so |
| 01:14:15 | kergoth | Wget: yay |
| 01:14:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:14:31 | ljp | KeyserSoze: best price for a z is free |
| 01:14:41 | KeyserSoze | can I have two? |
| 01:14:48 | Fatbummer | I saw some1 on the highway last night in a 2003 hummer with no license plates carrying two minis on a trailer |
| 01:14:53 | Fatbummer | like....why are you so rich? |
| 01:14:55 | Fatbummer | buy me a z |
| 01:14:58 | kergoth | Fatbummer: damn. heh. |
| 01:15:11 | Fatbummer | that hummer looked fuckin tite |
| 01:15:24 | Fatbummer | i could see in the backseaters were watching something both had screens |
| 01:15:27 | kergoth | i saw this site where a small toyota pickup rearended a hummer |
| 01:15:33 | kergoth | that was fucking hilarious |
| 01:15:39 | ljp | ehhh hummers are overrated.. no way could you 4wheel with one of them here |
| 01:15:40 | kergoth | toyota is fucking totalled |
| 01:15:41 | Fatbummer | i have a small isuzu pickup :( |
| 01:15:47 | kergoth | the hummer's license plate is a little bent |
| 01:15:48 | ljp | roads are too fricking skinny |
| 01:15:49 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 01:15:53 | Fatbummer | i almost ran into that guy |
| 01:15:54 | KeyserSoze | is there a big isuzu pickup? |
| 01:15:55 | kergoth | but it was bent before, so the accident bent it back into place |
| 01:15:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:16:00 | Fatbummer | cuz i was lookin at it with awe |
| 01:16:08 | Fatbummer | kergoth: hehe |
| 01:16:23 | treke|home | only wants one if it comes with the machine gun |
| 01:16:23 | KeyserSoze | is it a pup? |
| 01:16:26 | kergoth | wouldnt it be sweet to get in a car chase with the cops in a hummer? |
| 01:16:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:16:38 | KeyserSoze | yes, because if they are in a hummer, i |
| 01:16:42 | KeyserSoze | 'd get away |
| 01:16:42 | kergoth | what? spikes on the road? fuck that, i keep *going* |
| 01:16:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:16:53 | kergoth | true, itd be slow |
| 01:16:54 | Fatbummer | like in gta1 for playstation you could drive the semi truck and the cops would run into and eventually blow up |
| 01:16:59 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:17:05 | KeyserSoze | 0-60 on a hummer is like 12 seconds, and just try to take a corner in one. |
| 01:17:24 | Fatbummer | KeyserSoze the new one has two engines :P |
| 01:17:27 | Fatbummer | hehe |
| 01:17:31 | Fatbummer | nah makin it up |
| 01:17:35 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: yep. now think if that was you. you wouldnt beat em on speed, but i doubt they'd be able to stop you |
| 01:17:37 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: hehe |
| 01:17:37 | Fatbummer | youd think it would for all that friggin money |
| 01:17:43 | ljp | is still waiting for 'jetsons' cars |
| 01:17:54 | Fatbummer | know how many zs we could bath in for that price? |
| 01:18:15 | Fatbummer | my guess is 12 |
| 01:18:18 | Fatbummer | ahhh...drool |
| 01:20:05 | W|GGL|T | lol...zaurus cluster |
| 01:20:23 | KeyserSoze | looks at the zaurii on ebay, and notes that they cost *more* than what you can get one for brand new. |
| 01:20:36 | W|GGL|T | people are being greedy |
| 01:20:37 | treke|home | KeyserSoze: welcome to ebay |
| 01:20:41 | W|GGL|T | and there are fools to 'fool' |
| 01:20:46 | KeyserSoze | hates ebay. |
| 01:20:50 | W|GGL|T | or jacks to jack |
| 01:20:50 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:20:57 | treke|home | loves ebay. If I'm selling |
| 01:21:38 | KeyserSoze | just wants to know how much money someone wants for something, and then he either gives them that amount, or doesn't. |
| 01:22:31 | ljp | thinks ebay is over rated |
| 01:22:41 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: thats why i hate salespeople. i jsut want to know what it is, and how much it is, and i'll fucking decide whether to buy it or not, they wont "help" me decide. |
| 01:22:43 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: heh |
| 01:23:08 | KeyserSoze | are y'all generally satisfied with 16mb of flash? or do you add a memory card? |
| 01:23:55 | Fatbummer | KeyserSoze buy a sd card of 128 and a cf wlan or lan card |
| 01:24:00 | Fatbummer | youlll be set |
| 01:24:09 | Fatbummer | any1 know where cases are? |
| 01:24:12 | KeyserSoze | yeah, that's what I was thinking. |
| 01:24:13 | Fatbummer | any1 use a case? |
| 01:24:22 | W|GGL|T | does |
| 01:24:27 | W|GGL|T | piel frama case |
| 01:24:29 | Fatbummer | what kind W|GGL|T |
| 01:24:38 | Fatbummer | piel frama eh |
| 01:25:00 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 01:25:19 | Fatbummer | whered you get it? |
| 01:25:30 | W|GGL|T | http://www.wigglit.com/images/zauruscase/ |
| 01:25:38 | W|GGL|T | my case's pics |
| 01:25:49 | W|GGL|T | got it from http://www.pielframa.com |
| 01:26:13 | Fatbummer | sweet case |
| 01:26:22 | treke|home | yeah, those are nice looking cases |
| 01:26:37 | ljp | my case is always my pocket |
| 01:26:41 | W|GGL|T | almost perfectly designed |
| 01:26:47 | W|GGL|T | uses the belt clip |
| 01:26:48 | Fatbummer | almost? |
| 01:26:53 | Fatbummer | whats bad? |
| 01:27:23 | W|GGL|T | the only thing that i don't like is that the leather is too thick where you plug the AC adapter at |
| 01:27:29 | W|GGL|T | can't get a solid connection |
| 01:27:45 | Fatbummer | what kind of work would it take to fix? |
| 01:27:50 | Fatbummer | a lil xactoing? |
| 01:27:56 | W|GGL|T | exacto knife |
| 01:27:56 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:28:00 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 01:28:08 | W|GGL|T | not hard to fix |
| 01:28:18 | W|GGL|T | is actually nitpicking |
| 01:28:20 | Fatbummer | whats the toshiba e740 ne1 know? |
| 01:28:21 | TheMasterMind1 | im baaaaaaack |
| 01:28:40 | TheMasterMind1 | Fatbummer its a pda |
| 01:28:45 | W|GGL|T | google :o) |
| 01:28:45 | TheMasterMind1 | with builtin wifi |
| 01:28:46 | Fatbummer | eh |
| 01:28:54 | Fatbummer | whats it run? |
| 01:28:55 | TheMasterMind1 | runs pocketpshit though |
| 01:28:59 | Fatbummer | ah |
| 01:29:06 | Fatbummer | same strongarm? |
| 01:29:06 | TheMasterMind1 | last i checked it was just out, and i don't know if anyone's gotten linux on it yet |
| 01:29:09 | TheMasterMind1 | its a xscale |
| 01:29:11 | W|GGL|T | xscale cpu, sd/cf slots |
| 01:29:15 | | xscale is a buggy processor, see the errata at http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/278534.htm |
| 01:29:15 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xscale |
| 01:29:17 | | W|GGL|T: sorry... |
| 01:29:17 | W|GGL|T | ibot toshiba |
| 01:29:21 | Fatbummer | xscale is....? |
| 01:29:25 | Fatbummer | not strongarm |
| 01:29:28 | | i heard xscale was a buggy processor, see the errata at http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/278534.htm |
| 01:29:28 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xscale |
| 01:29:28 | Fatbummer | if i remember? |
| 01:29:38 | TheMasterMind1 | brilliant deduction |
| 01:29:39 | | Fatbummer: what? |
| 01:29:39 | Fatbummer | ibot strongarm |
| 01:29:59 | | W|GGL|T: sorry... |
| 01:29:59 | W|GGL|T | ibot make me a sex on the beach |
| 01:30:03 | Fatbummer | hehe |
| 01:30:06 | | W|GGL|T: what? |
| 01:30:06 | W|GGL|T | ibot make me a screwdriver |
| 01:30:09 | Fatbummer | ill have a screaming orgasm |
| 01:30:09 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 01:30:15 | | ACTION drinks a foamy guinness draught |
| 01:30:15 | Fatbummer | ibot a drink please |
| 01:30:21 | KeyserSoze | xscale = strongarm++; |
| 01:30:21 | Fatbummer | no! |
| 01:30:27 | Fatbummer | that was mine! |
| 01:30:30 | | Fatbummer: i'm not following you... |
| 01:30:30 | Fatbummer | ibot you suck |
| 01:30:30 | TheMasterMind1 | xscale = crap |
| 01:30:36 | | W|GGL|T: i'm not following you... |
| 01:30:36 | W|GGL|T | ibot make me a pina colada |
| 01:30:36 | KeyserSoze | really? |
| 01:30:44 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: read the errata, theres lots of issues |
| 01:30:56 | Fatbummer | KeyserSoze ask ibot he says its buggy |
| 01:30:56 | TheMasterMind1 | sugar make me a pina colada |
| 01:30:56 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of pina colada, pours it into a glass, which she hands TheMasterMind1. |
| 01:31:03 | Fatbummer | hey pielframam makes one case style? |
| 01:31:08 | KeyserSoze | hasn't heard much about it. just that it has higher clock speeds, and a smaller process width for less power use/heat. |
| 01:31:09 | kergoth | sugar make me a long island |
| 01:31:09 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 01:31:11 | W|GGL|T | spelled wrong :o) |
| 01:31:13 | KeyserSoze | but i'll read the errata. |
| 01:31:17 | kergoth | that reminds me, i need to pick up some coke |
| 01:31:32 | W|GGL|T | piel frama makes cases for different brands |
| 01:31:35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:31:38 | TheMasterMind1 | that was a great movie |
| 01:31:43 | W|GGL|T | usually either black or tan/black two tone |
| 01:32:01 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa figure anything out? |
| 01:32:05 | nasa | Look who's back, back again |
| 01:32:21 | nasa | One sec and I will tell you |
| 01:32:27 | Fatbummer | how much did it cost there W|GGL|T |
| 01:32:49 | W|GGL|T | i forget...like $60ish |
| 01:32:50 | nasa | Both packages worked as advertised |
| 01:33:56 | TheMasterMind1 | they're advertised? |
| 01:34:15 | nasa | hehe |
| 01:34:33 | Fatbummer | hahahaha |
| 01:34:34 | Fatbummer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1380214727 |
| 01:35:15 | saurus | lol I have postnuke running on the zaurus. |
| 01:35:23 | saurus | gotta love that. |
| 01:35:30 | Fatbummer | postnuke? |
| 01:35:36 | Fatbummer | fill mein |
| 01:35:48 | saurus | cms |
| 01:35:56 | saurus | uses php and mysql |
| 01:35:57 | TheMasterMind1 | saurus you sick whore |
| 01:36:01 | Fatbummer | oh the ol.. cms |
| 01:36:02 | TheMasterMind1 | *nuke is shit |
| 01:36:03 | saurus | lol |
| 01:36:14 | Fatbummer | right |
| 01:36:19 | Fatbummer | cant forget themn cmsers |
| 01:36:27 | Fatbummer | i see more zaurus on ebay than last time |
| 01:36:36 | Fatbummer | i think they're catching on |
| 01:36:43 | Fatbummer | which is definitely good |
| 01:36:53 | Fatbummer | i remember when i almost bought that nr70v |
| 01:37:00 | Fatbummer | that would have sucked |
| 01:37:03 | kergoth | nasa: both worked? |
| 01:37:06 | Fatbummer | i hate palmos |
| 01:37:15 | kergoth | nasa: so it was just the old ass hotplug ver that was sitting in the feed.. |
| 01:37:16 | chouimat|ZzZzZzz | saurus: me I have Bob on my palm |
| 01:37:17 | Fatbummer | 'os' |
| 01:37:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: found the prob |
| 01:37:29 | TheMasterMind1 | what was it |
| 01:37:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: a ) where it shouldnt have been |
| 01:37:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fucking shit didnt give me a useful error |
| 01:37:39 | nasa | kergoth: I was able to log right back in |
| 01:37:41 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:37:43 | kergoth | nasa: nice. |
| 01:37:46 | chouimat|ZzZzZzz | saurus: yes my cat is sleeping on it |
| 01:37:53 | TheMasterMind1 | wait |
| 01:37:55 | TheMasterMind1 | what's going on? |
| 01:37:57 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm confused |
| 01:37:58 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa ? |
| 01:38:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: new hotplug ver fixed the usb network issue, in stock kernel anyway |
| 01:38:24 | nasa | kergoth: warning though. I did a 'ipkg upgrade' to finish upgrading everything and it seems to have messed everything up |
| 01:38:30 | kergoth | nasa: hmmm |
| 01:38:33 | kergoth | nasa: k |
| 01:38:41 | kergoth | nasa: i'm doing feed reworking soon |
| 01:38:46 | kergoth | so we'll see whats up |
| 01:38:49 | kergoth | i'll do some testing |
| 01:38:58 | TheMasterMind1 | so everything works? |
| 01:39:09 | TheMasterMind1 | any other pressing issues with the testing releases? |
| 01:39:10 | KeyserSoze | anyone use a mount for their zaurus in their car? |
| 01:39:10 | nasa | kergoth: just update those packages on the feed and I will reflash my z |
| 01:39:19 | kergoth | nasa: k |
| 01:40:53 | KeyserSoze | anyone use a mount for their zaurus in their car? |
| 01:40:57 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 01:41:15 | KeyserSoze | http://www.pluscellular.com/car_mounts.htm |
| 01:41:37 | TheMasterMind1 | tries to figure out why his computers beeping at him |
| 01:41:43 | treke|home | avoids using his in the car |
| 01:41:56 | TheMasterMind1 | oh fuck |
| 01:42:02 | TheMasterMind1 | thats what it was |
| 01:42:20 | KeyserSoze | wants to get a linux PDA, so he can put picoGUI on it and run his picoGUI navigation app on something besides his tuxscreen. |
| 01:43:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:43:33 | TheMasterMind1 | picogui eh? |
| 01:43:36 | nasa | kergoth: brb |
| 01:43:39 | KeyserSoze | yup |
| 01:44:03 | prpplague | kergoth; evening |
| 01:44:25 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cooking this evening? |
| 01:44:34 | prpplague | kergoth: in a better mood? lol |
| 01:45:54 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org/~micah/images/a-kon/im000377.jpg |
| 01:46:35 | TheMasterMind1 | what's that? |
| 01:46:54 | | fusion94 was last seen on #zaurus 20 hours, 6 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: heh [Sat Sep 14 06:40:53 2002] |
| 01:46:54 | BigBoss | ibot seen fusion94 |
| 01:46:57 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 01:47:18 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, much |
| 01:47:25 | kergoth | prpplague: heh. whatre you up to |
| 01:47:28 | prpplague | scanline: aaaa, is that your ear? |
| 01:47:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hows the progress? |
| 01:47:37 | scanline | prpplague: yes, I assume so |
| 01:47:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: getting there. almost done with libc6, then its on to the kernel |
| 01:47:48 | KeyserSoze | scanline: I can't see your screen. |
| 01:48:06 | kergoth | prpplague: I added a new template to the buildroot |
| 01:48:13 | kergoth | prpplague: no, not just to confuse you :-P |
| 01:48:15 | scanline | I think I was playing asteroids in qtopia when that picture was taken |
| 01:48:20 | prpplague | kergoth: trying to educate myself, going back and forth between k&r and "linux application development" |
| 01:48:25 | kergoth | prpplague: ah nice |
| 01:48:31 | kergoth | prpplague: i lost my copy of k&r. sniffle. |
| 01:48:46 | prpplague | kergoth: new template? fun, i'm going to hit oz-x hard tomorrow |
| 01:48:48 | saurus | prpplague: hey dave |
| 01:48:53 | Fatbummer | hello |
| 01:48:58 | kergoth | prpplague: the source and sourcetree method scripts are now in perl |
| 01:49:05 | prpplague | kergoth: argh, thats awefull |
| 01:49:19 | kergoth | prpplague: heh, its transparent to those writing the .mk |
| 01:49:50 | prpplague | kergoth: sorry i meant awefull about the lose of k&r |
| 01:49:59 | kergoth | prpplague: ah yeah, definately, sucks not having a reference |
| 01:50:01 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 01:50:48 | prpplague | kergoth: in perl? what made you in that direction? |
| 01:50:58 | prpplague | saurus: btw, howdy |
| 01:51:01 | kergoth | prpplague: i was pushing hte limits of highly bash dependent shell already |
| 01:51:04 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 01:51:28 | kergoth | prpplague: oh btw, the new style lets make -j and make -l work :) |
| 01:51:44 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, ya bash shell script kinda get ugly really quick |
| 01:52:07 | kergoth | prpplague: no shit, especially when you're playing wiht bash's limited 'arrays' |
| 01:52:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:53:38 | prpplague | ha, hackers is on upn |
| 01:53:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:53:47 | kergoth | i dont watch much tv |
| 01:54:00 | kergoth | see the computer is in the den upstairs, the tv is downstairs. so when i code, no tv for me |
| 01:54:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:55:04 | Bala | get a tv-in card :) |
| 01:57:15 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i got a tv card |
| 01:59:15 | kergoth | yeah i should |
| 01:59:17 | kergoth | too bad i'm broke |
| 01:59:19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:59:52 | prpplague | kergoth: ha broke? with all that high dollar pay from digi? |
| 02:00:00 | kergoth | prpplague: ahaha |
| 02:01:27 | | buildroot is, like, a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 02:01:27 | prpplague | ibot: buildroot |
| 02:03:56 | Fatbummer | says i got qtopia-freexxx.rpm and i dont have the dependencies |
| 02:04:01 | Fatbummer | is there a way to get them automatically? |
| 02:04:09 | Fatbummer | like with apt-get? |
| 02:04:12 | Fatbummer | only with rpms |
| 02:04:41 | kergoth | Fatbummer: rpm isnt that easy. there is, however, a apt that is made to work with rpms, the folks at Conectiva did it |
| 02:05:17 | Bala | or if your using mandrake you can try urpmi |
| 02:06:14 | Fatbummer | so i have to find all these deps :( |
| 02:06:34 | Bala | what deps are you missing? |
| 02:06:36 | jbardin | is there a touch() function in C or C++? |
| 02:07:05 | Fatbummer | some: /bin/sh /usr/bin/per libX11.so.6 |
| 02:07:24 | Bala | you dont have sh? |
| 02:07:28 | Fatbummer | i will install some devel pkgs |
| 02:07:28 | Bala | :/ |
| 02:07:34 | Fatbummer | bala doesnt that make you laugh? |
| 02:07:35 | Fatbummer | hehe |
| 02:07:41 | prpplague | jbardin: you should be able to open a file in create mode then close it |
| 02:07:46 | Fatbummer | friggin linux retarded right here |
| 02:08:01 | jbardin | prplague i just want a simple method by which to tell if a file exists or not |
| 02:08:13 | kergoth | jbardin: stat |
| 02:08:21 | Onyx4 | I'm back |
| 02:08:23 | | Onyx4: excuse me? |
| 02:08:23 | Onyx4 | ibot: messages |
| 02:08:34 | kergoth | jbardin: man 2 stat; |
| 02:08:47 | jbardin | rock |
| 02:10:16 | prpplague | kergoth: you've done some c under sco right? does read() default to NONBLOCKING under SCO? |
| 02:10:26 | Onyx4 | heh I just build my opie x86 environment after like 2 hours |
| 02:10:33 | scanline | prpplague: haha.. that'd be really dumb if it did |
| 02:11:04 | kergoth | prpplague: I dont believe so. but shit, i havent coded in sco in a long fucking time, i've avoided it. |
| 02:11:04 | prpplague | scanline: well unless something is broke on my sco dev box it looks like it does |
| 02:11:15 | kergoth | hrm |
| 02:11:40 | kergoth | prpplague: i'll ssh into digi and run a test on one of the lab boxes. |
| 02:11:50 | kergoth | prpplague: if any of them have a dev env anyway, let me check |
| 02:12:01 | prpplague | kergoth: thanks, i'm doing the same |
| 02:13:00 | scanline | go go gadget wget! |
| 02:13:19 | scanline | decided to do a fresh openzaurus checkout and try compiling it with make -j3 |
| 02:13:40 | kergoth | scanline: good luck, half the system isnt using the new template ;) |
| 02:13:47 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:13:48 | kergoth | scanline: if it works, thatd be cool though, i never tested it before |
| 02:14:13 | scanline | well, I have CPU and bandwidth to spare, so no reason not to try it in the background :) |
| 02:14:22 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 02:14:25 | kergoth | i'm building glibc atm |
| 02:14:26 | kergoth | again |
| 02:14:27 | scanline | this is funny.. it's doing 3 wgets at a time too |
| 02:14:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:14:36 | kergoth | i hope not the same wget? |
| 02:14:38 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:14:38 | scanline | makes sense though, I have more bandwidth than the servers it's downloading from |
| 02:14:56 | scanline | hehe... openzaurus is pulling 500kB/s or so |
| 02:15:00 | kergoth | last time i tried it, it tired to run 3 simultanious make oldconfigs |
| 02:15:02 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:15:05 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:15:29 | scanline | hmm.. now it's wgetting linux and extracting glibc at the same time |
| 02:15:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:15:41 | kergoth | thats funny, considering glibc depends on linux |
| 02:15:49 | scanline | weird |
| 02:16:51 | kergoth | i told you it might be weird :) |
| 02:17:03 | scanline | heh yeah, the make -j3 messed up some glibc dependencies I guess |
| 02:17:20 | scanline | might be more sane if you could have OZ pass the -j3 to individual package compiles instead of parallelizing the whole process |
| 02:17:55 | scanline | though if you could make the whole thing run with -j3, it would be great.. you could have it dowloading, compiling, and extracting at the same time |
| 02:18:25 | scanline | hrm.. there was an error in glibc earlier, but it's going right along with the kernel compile |
| 02:19:22 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:21:18 | Fatbummer | where th heck is glibc? |
| 02:24:54 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, i've tried 3 sco dev boxes, all with the NONBLOCKING is set as default, this bites, that means for me to port this app i'm going to make sure every time we use read i've got to make a sure i've done a SETFL |
| 02:25:13 | kergoth | prpplague: geh |
| 02:25:51 | prpplague | kergoth: leave to SCO to bastardize something so simple |
| 02:27:35 | kergoth | prpplague: no shit |
| 02:27:54 | scanline | geez... someone should give SCO a "worst defaults of the year" award |
| 02:28:11 | kergoth | prpplague: that explains why the last code exerpt i saw from a customer app being ported from sco to linux had the setfl's to set blocking |
| 02:28:13 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 02:28:22 | prpplague | scanline: trust me this is just the tip of the iceberg |
| 02:28:32 | kergoth | prpplague: i just figured it was someone not wanting to trust defaults, which is often a good thing.. |
| 02:28:35 | scanline | feels glad to be using linux :) |
| 02:28:35 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 02:29:43 | prpplague | mental note to self - "sco sucks" |
| 02:29:50 | Fatbummer | what do i want to get from trolltech to devel apps? qtopia...qt/embedded? |
| 02:30:51 | kergoth | prpplague: i've had that in my mental notes for a while now ;) |
| 02:31:07 | kergoth | Fatbummer: qtopia and qt/e ... qtopia uses qt/e |
| 02:32:37 | prpplague | kergoth: didn't you tell me that the epca driver doesn't use spin locks for smp? |
| 02:33:12 | kergoth | prpplague: it relies on its access of the memory on the hardware being controlled by the kernel |
| 02:33:21 | kergoth | prpplague: (i.e. the ISA memory windowing routines) |
| 02:33:27 | kergoth | prpplague: but i dont think that holds true for PCI |
| 02:33:37 | kergoth | prpplague: never bothered to look in detail |
| 02:33:41 | kergoth | prpplague: no time |
| 02:35:07 | prpplague | kergoth: we've had some problems with the pci bus on this new dual xeon 2.4, the epca doesn't seem to be affect but some other boards that appear to use spin locks are |
| 02:35:14 | Bala | really the only good thing to come from SCO was UDI |
| 02:38:31 | nasa | kergoth: did you update the feed? |
| 02:39:58 | | update oz is Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 02:39:58 | nasa | ibot update oz |
| 02:42:12 | treke|portable | gee. thats easy |
| 02:46:12 | prpplague | later guys, i'm headed to read some reference books |
| 02:48:20 | | ljp was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 21 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: my case is always my pocket [Sun Sep 15 02:26:37 2002] |
| 02:48:20 | nasa | ibot seen ljp |
| 02:50:22 | noda | Help! I broke my Zaurus... oipkg didn't seem to update things properly. |
| 02:50:27 | treke|portable | hmm, konq needs an ignore popups option |
| 02:50:53 | noda | I tried updating...er... lots of stuff, but I think sysvinit is broken. |
| 02:50:58 | nasa | got to go guys (have to work tomorrow) |
| 02:51:03 | nasa | catuch you all later |
| 02:51:26 | noda | When I boot I get: "INIT: cannot execute "/etc/init.d/rcS", "INIT: Entering runlevel: 2", "INIT: cannot execute "/etc/init.d/rc" |
| 02:51:47 | noda | then "(none) login:" - if I try "root" it gives "Cannot execute /bin/ash: Permission denied". |
| 02:52:10 | noda | What do I do? I wouldn't mind flashing but I don't want to lose my todo list, etc. |
| 02:53:10 | jbardin | anyone know why i would be getting this |
| 02:53:18 | jbardin | undefined reference to `ConfigWidget::QPaintDevice virtual table' |
| 02:53:19 | jbardin | ?? |
| 02:53:59 | DragonEagle | can someone tell me how to get to a console? |
| 02:54:10 | noda | DragonEagle: With the Sharp ROM? |
| 02:54:16 | DragonEagle | yeah |
| 02:54:25 | jbardin | nvrmnd had a typeo in my .pro file |
| 02:54:29 | jbardin | so moc wasnt running |
| 02:54:32 | noda | DragonEagle: The CD-ROM comes with the necessary information. |
| 02:54:46 | DragonEagle | ok, I'll check it |
| 02:54:49 | noda | Nobody has any ideas for my problem? *wishes kergoth were here* |
| 02:57:05 | jbardin | noda do you have the exec bit set on /bon/ash? |
| 02:57:11 | jbardin | i.e. chmod +x /bin/ash |
| 02:57:27 | noda | jbardin: Well, I guess not - but how do I type that in? I need to get shell access to my Zaurus to give myself shell access to my Zaurus... |
| 02:57:31 | kergoth | /bin/ash is a symlink |
| 02:57:40 | kergoth | if its not executable, your /bin/busybox isnt accessible |
| 02:57:42 | kergoth | er |
| 02:57:47 | kergoth | s/accessible/executable/ |
| 02:57:51 | noda | That's not a good thing... |
| 02:57:53 | kergoth | and if thats the case, you wont be able to ssh in either |
| 02:58:00 | kergoth | you ahve usb network connectivity? |
| 02:58:12 | noda | Wireless, I could set up USB too if it were the only way... |
| 02:58:13 | kergoth | if so, you can extract a good busybox ipk on your desktop, and scp the binary over into /bin/ |
| 02:58:15 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:58:18 | kergoth | wireless is fine |
| 02:58:22 | kergoth | same thing |
| 02:58:25 | noda | But wireless won't start up. |
| 02:58:38 | noda | INIT cannot execute "/etc/init.d/rcS" |
| 02:58:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:58:47 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not good |
| 02:58:52 | kergoth | noda: ahh shit.. well, you didnt get very far in the startup process. you're hosed. |
| 02:59:07 | kergoth | noda: busybox is not a good thing to get messed up, its *critical* to system operation |
| 02:59:13 | noda | kergoth: I was doing LOTS of upgrades, but you might want to check the latest busybox, sysvinit, oz-base packages to make sure they're not screwed up :) |
| 02:59:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: make libc6-new; :-) |
| 02:59:26 | kergoth | noda: yeah, i've herad weird reports about them |
| 02:59:40 | kergoth | noda: i'm about to wipe the feed and split us into 'testing' and 'unstable' feeds, and will be testing thoroughly |
| 02:59:45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:00:00 | noda | kergoth: If I did a "full reset" would I lose the info I put into my calendar or address book? I really don't want to lose that info. I don't give a damn about reinstalling stuff, but there's important stuff in those programs. |
| 03:00:09 | noda | Probably wouldn't help, but maybe as a last resort... |
| 03:00:16 | kergoth | noda: full reset wont save ya |
| 03:00:18 | kergoth | noda: the damage is in flash |
| 03:00:22 | kergoth | noda: which is persistant |
| 03:00:27 | noda | cries. |
| 03:00:31 | kergoth | noda: but no, the answer is, you wouldnt lose your data |
| 03:00:37 | kergoth | noda: all full reset does, is wipe the ramdisk (mtdram) |
| 03:00:45 | kergoth | noda: and reconfiures packages (regenerating ssh keys and shit) |
| 03:00:50 | kergoth | ipkstep : $(IPK_DIR) $(stamp-staginginstall) $(stamp-libc6-ipk) $(stamp-gconv-modules-ipk) |
| 03:00:54 | kergoth | $(stamp-libc6-ipk) : Name=libc6 |
| 03:00:57 | kergoth | $(stamp-libc6-ipk) : Description="GNU C Library" |
| 03:00:59 | kergoth | $(stamp-libc6-ipk) : IPKTMP_DIR=$(LIBC6_IPKTMP_DIR) |
| 03:01:01 | kergoth | $(stamp-libc6-ipk) : $(stamp-libc6-rootinstall) |
| 03:01:03 | kergoth | thats so clean |
| 03:01:05 | kergoth | it builds the ipk up with no probs |
| 03:01:11 | Fatbummer | kernel 2.5.30 :) |
| 03:01:12 | noda | *sob* so basically, there is NO way for me to get back that info at this point. |
| 03:01:20 | Fatbummer | thats what ima put on my z |
| 03:01:35 | kergoth | noda: yep. if we cant even get network connectivity, there's no way to get into the Z. |
| 03:01:41 | kergoth | noda: hmm |
| 03:01:54 | TheMasterMind1 | aw fuck |
| 03:01:57 | kergoth | noda: yeah, there isnt anything we can do at that point |
| 03:01:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 03:02:17 | noda | wishes there were some kind of "boot to Flash" option on the Z... |
| 03:02:29 | TheMasterMind1 | this thing is all fucekd up |
| 03:02:33 | kergoth | noda: if we replace the bootloader, we'll be able to boot off CF and the like |
| 03:02:54 | Fatbummer | the freenode stream is cool |
| 03:02:54 | noda | kergoth: I'd be happy to do tests to help that project along, I'd really love to avoid this kind of thing again. |
| 03:03:19 | noda | tries to memorize all the homework he has to do... and his friends' phone numbers, etc... |
| 03:03:24 | noda | Well, could be worse. |
| 03:03:25 | kergoth | noda: well, that project is waiting for me to get a jtag cable built for the Z |
| 03:03:27 | kergoth | noda: heh |
| 03:03:32 | kergoth | noda: geh, that sucks |
| 03:03:33 | Fatbummer | jtag? |
| 03:03:37 | | jtag is http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/jtag or http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/ or order $20 usd dongles from http://www.aleph1.co.uk/armlinux/LART/ |
| 03:03:37 | kergoth | ibot: jtag |
| 03:03:55 | jbardin | whats 'better' conf files in /etc or in $HOME on the zaurus... being it a sinbhle user syste, |
| 03:04:04 | scanline | kergoth: is there jtag on the board? |
| 03:04:05 | noda | Wow, jtag looks cool :) |
| 03:04:21 | noda | Hey, would THAT be able to access the data on my Z? :P |
| 03:04:44 | noda | jbardin: Should still have system-wide config in /etc and user-specific config in $HOME. |
| 03:05:04 | kergoth | scanline: pins on the connector at the bottom of the Z :-) |
| 03:05:05 | jbardin | intertesting |
| 03:05:22 | kergoth | scanline: i want to hack a jtag cable coming out of my cradle. hehe |
| 03:05:25 | scanline | kergoth: neat. Just need to get a serial cable and move some pins around then? |
| 03:05:33 | scanline | kergoth: ah, that works too |
| 03:05:38 | scanline | has an extra cradle he'd do that to |
| 03:05:46 | Bala | what ever you do just dont set your $HOME as /etc :) |
| 03:05:53 | kergoth | scanline: well, serial cable would be wrong, we need parallel, and it might need buffering depending on the voltage of the parallel port in the box |
| 03:05:56 | kergoth | scanline: nice |
| 03:05:59 | kergoth | Bala: lol |
| 03:06:07 | kergoth | Bala: you could recover from that.. |
| 03:06:12 | Bala | painfully |
| 03:06:13 | Bala | he |
| 03:06:14 | Bala | h |
| 03:06:23 | scanline | kergoth: yeah, just thinking about something that had the right type of connector. but a cradle works too |
| 03:06:38 | Fatbummer | so what the hell does jtag do? |
| 03:07:07 | scanline | Fatbummer: debug stuff, like loading files into memory |
| 03:07:19 | Fatbummer | k nothin for me |
| 03:07:21 | Fatbummer | :( |
| 03:07:28 | scanline | Fatbummer: it's a standard you can use to access programming features on all the chips in a device in a bus |
| 03:07:41 | kergoth | scanline: I want to ditch the damn angelboot myself, get a decent bootloader |
| 03:07:49 | scanline | kergoth: blob! |
| 03:07:52 | scanline | =) |
| 03:07:55 | kergoth | scanline: yeh |
| 03:08:05 | kergoth | scanline: blob is designed for easy porting too, it'd be a breeze |
| 03:08:10 | scanline | spiffy |
| 03:08:19 | noda | The linux ipaq project(s) has (have) a decent bootloader, eh? |
| 03:08:25 | scanline | I never got around to jtag'ing my tuxscreen.. didn't do any bootloader or kernel hacking on it |
| 03:08:33 | noda | My cousin just set up opie on his ipaq, says his bootloader is great :) |
| 03:08:42 | Bala | just using it as a phone scanline?? :) |
| 03:08:54 | Fatbummer | how come my aliases wont stay? |
| 03:09:00 | scanline | Bala: nah.. mostly using it to port things to ARM easily |
| 03:09:12 | scanline | Bala: though I did help with some of the software for the phone DSP |
| 03:10:11 | Bala | scanline: oh thats right it is arm isnt it.. for asecond i thought it was sh4. |
| 03:10:29 | scanline | Bala: SH4 is cool too.. I have a Dreamcast for that |
| 03:10:59 | Bala | me too :).. and hopefully i'll be able to snag one of the next run of eth0 adapters |
| 03:12:33 | Fatbummer | any1 lisnin to the qopn stream? |
| 03:12:35 | Fatbummer | wopn |
| 03:12:44 | Fatbummer | ? |
| 03:12:50 | Fatbummer | sysadmin song w00t |
| 03:13:06 | scanline | has Pvt_Joker been /msg'ing anybody else here? |
| 03:13:13 | kergoth | not i |
| 03:13:15 | Bala | no just you |
| 03:13:43 | Fatbummer | not i |
| 03:14:00 | scanline | Sep 14 22:15:33 <Pvt_Joker> hey man maybe you can help me.......i'm tryin' to set up my Dlink card but the damn thing won't connect.... |
| 03:14:00 | scanline | everything's set up right (or so i hope)....any suggestions? |
| 03:14:00 | scanline | Sep 14 22:15:49 <scanline> don't /msg me asking for tech support |
| 03:14:04 | scanline | Sep 14 22:17:30 <Pvt_Joker> you know i figured you people would be willing to help someone out......instead you guys turn out to be a p |
| 03:14:04 | scanline | ack of assholes |
| 03:14:18 | Fatbummer | yea....that happens |
| 03:14:23 | Fatbummer | rtfm is a good one to come back with |
| 03:14:33 | Fatbummer | i get it all the time ;-P |
| 03:14:34 | kergoth | heh, they should ask in the channel, not in /msg first of all |
| 03:14:44 | Pvt_Joker | kergoth i have asked before |
| 03:14:53 | scanline | that's what I usually suggest first also... |
| 03:14:54 | Pvt_Joker | in channe; |
| 03:15:06 | Fatbummer | they need a rtfm song |
| 03:15:13 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: so try again. /msg'ing people you dont know is generally uncalledfor |
| 03:15:23 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: particularly for support |
| 03:15:52 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: so whats the issue you're having? |
| 03:16:06 | Pvt_Joker | can't get my Dlink card to connect |
| 03:16:12 | kergoth | there's the first problem |
| 03:16:14 | kergoth | throw me a bone man |
| 03:16:18 | kergoth | give me some ifnormation |
| 03:16:23 | Pvt_Joker | i jsut need some suggestions |
| 03:16:25 | Pvt_Joker | just* |
| 03:16:26 | kergoth | is the light blinking? solid? |
| 03:16:35 | Pvt_Joker | solid |
| 03:16:37 | kergoth | does ifconfig -a show an ip on the interface? |
| 03:16:48 | kergoth | did you run the wireless setup app and add tcp/ip in the network setup app? |
| 03:16:52 | Pvt_Joker | it was blinking earlier then stopped |
| 03:16:58 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 03:16:58 | Bala | anyone can /msg me for support. but since i dont own a Z my advice would be "questionable" |
| 03:16:58 | scanline | Pvt_Joker: does "iwconfig wlan0" show an essid? |
| 03:16:59 | Fatbummer | where do i get the usbdnet-2.4.18 patch? |
| 03:17:12 | kergoth | scanline: (note: he may be on a sharp rom, wlanctl-ng |
| 03:17:14 | kergoth | scanline: ) |
| 03:17:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:17:26 | scanline | kergoth: oh yea.. I've used the sharp rom very little :) |
| 03:17:27 | Pvt_Joker | yes i did Kergoth and english please scan |
| 03:17:48 | scanline | heh |
| 03:17:54 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: you may want to read up a bit on wifi if you didnt understand what scanline wrote |
| 03:17:54 | Cloudchaser | what are you trying to connect to? |
| 03:18:11 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: regardless, does ifconfig -a in the konsole show an ip? does network setup show an ip on the main sscreeN? |
| 03:18:43 | W|GGL|T | Fatbummer: http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/patches/ |
| 03:18:48 | Pvt_Joker | konsole i'd have to reinstall (just flashhed my ROM) and yes about the IP in network |
| 03:19:14 | Cloudchaser | you have an access point? |
| 03:19:19 | Pvt_Joker | yea |
| 03:19:26 | Cloudchaser | and dhcp server? |
| 03:19:43 | Pvt_Joker | o.O |
| 03:19:51 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: so whats the issue? if you see an ip, you have connectivity |
| 03:19:51 | Fatbummer | should i upleet to 2.4.19? |
| 03:19:56 | Fatbummer | is it stable i guess? |
| 03:20:03 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: trying to get on the net? |
| 03:20:08 | kergoth | Fatbummer: yep, its stable |
| 03:20:11 | Pvt_Joker | yea |
| 03:20:19 | kergoth | Fatbummer: course usbdnet isnt stable regardless. heh |
| 03:20:24 | Fatbummer | muahahahaha |
| 03:20:26 | Fatbummer | hehe |
| 03:20:33 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 03:20:43 | Cloudchaser | ok you have ip address |
| 03:20:48 | W|GGL|T | whispers 'wireless...' |
| 03:20:58 | Cloudchaser | do you have some sort of router? |
| 03:21:21 | Cloudchaser | how do you connect to the internet? |
| 03:21:26 | Pvt_Joker | actually Clud i was talkin' to you last night about my plans |
| 03:21:28 | Pvt_Joker | cable |
| 03:21:44 | Pvt_Joker | Cloud*.....pardon the spellin'.....been tappin' on the thumbpad all night |
| 03:22:00 | Cloudchaser | ok so you have cable...and a router like a linkysys? |
| 03:22:11 | Pvt_Joker | yea actually |
| 03:22:20 | kergoth | shit, i'm getting lightheaded |
| 03:22:22 | Cloudchaser | ok you can ping your z from your pc? |
| 03:22:24 | kergoth | i havent had anything to eat today |
| 03:22:26 | kergoth | wtf |
| 03:22:29 | kergoth | bbl |
| 03:22:30 | Cloudchaser | oh kergoth |
| 03:22:32 | scanline | Sugar, make kergoth a long island ice tea |
| 03:22:33 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 03:22:37 | Cloudchaser | go eat something! |
| 03:22:39 | scanline | Sugar make me a curry |
| 03:22:40 | Pvt_Joker | never tried to |
| 03:22:50 | Cloudchaser | well please try |
| 03:22:53 | Fatbummer | Sugar, make me a screaming orgasm |
| 03:22:53 | kergoth | scanline: you're just trying to get me drunk, with no food in my stomach, arent you! bastard. :-P |
| 03:22:56 | kergoth | okay bbl |
| 03:22:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:23:01 | Pvt_Joker | ok so hwo would one go about doin' so? |
| 03:23:06 | phatcat | sugar: make me a tea punch |
| 03:23:07 | scanline | kergoth: hehe.. want some ramen noodles or pop tarts? That's all I have here |
| 03:23:07 | jbardin | the Qtopia fileselector is only for stuff in the document path right? |
| 03:23:10 | Fatbummer | Sugar, make me a tequila sunrise |
| 03:23:10 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of tequila sunrise, pours it into a glass, which she hands Fatbummer. |
| 03:23:14 | Fatbummer | boo |
| 03:23:21 | Fatbummer | Sugar, make me a dildo on the beach |
| 03:23:25 | Fatbummer | hah |
| 03:23:28 | Cloudchaser | ok well you might need a little more help than we can give you |
| 03:23:44 | Pvt_Joker | lol just as i figured |
| 03:23:55 | Cloudchaser | you need some basic networking reading |
| 03:24:34 | Pvt_Joker | well i had Opera workin' through the cradle....then that stopped workin' |
| 03:24:38 | Cloudchaser | does your cable router have switchports? |
| 03:24:43 | Pvt_Joker | no |
| 03:25:03 | Cloudchaser | so you are trying to reach the internet through your other pc? |
| 03:25:27 | Pvt_Joker | yea |
| 03:25:43 | Cloudchaser | what's the router doing then? |
| 03:25:50 | Pvt_Joker | which router? |
| 03:26:10 | Cloudchaser | the cable modem router you said you had |
| 03:26:29 | Pvt_Joker | sittin' there with the normal lights on |
| 03:26:54 | Cloudchaser | ok so you don't have a router |
| 03:27:01 | Cloudchaser | you have a cable modem |
| 03:27:09 | Cloudchaser | that is plugged into your pc? |
| 03:27:12 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 03:27:13 | TheMasterMind1 | what's up |
| 03:27:23 | Pvt_Joker | which is linked into a router then into 3 comps |
| 03:27:35 | Cloudchaser | so you do have switch ports |
| 03:27:46 | Cloudchaser | or hub |
| 03:27:52 | Pvt_Joker | if thats hub would be a better term |
| 03:28:18 | Cloudchaser | you hooked up a network without ever pinging any of your pc's? |
| 03:28:44 | Cloudchaser | well here's the deal...your dlink if its a 650 should work right out of the box |
| 03:28:48 | Pvt_Joker | didn't know i had to |
| 03:29:02 | Cloudchaser | you don't |
| 03:29:51 | scanline | thinks everybody should join #wopn and listen to the open source radio broadcast, it's nifty! |
| 03:31:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:31:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth still here? |
| 03:31:40 | Cloudchaser | no he went to eat |
| 03:31:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 03:33:51 | jbardin | is it reasonable to use the QFileDialog on the zaurus? |
| 03:34:09 | Pvt_Joker | ok i made some progress.....at least Opera is giving me an error message |
| 03:34:24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:34:31 | Pvt_Joker | it can't connect to the proxy....so that would be something on the PC side right? |
| 03:34:48 | Pvt_Joker | proxy server* |
| 03:35:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hi killefiz |
| 03:36:19 | Cloudchaser | you have a proxy? |
| 03:36:33 | Cloudchaser | if you have proxy you have to set that up on the z network config |
| 03:36:37 | Pvt_Joker | AnalogX |
| 03:36:42 | Cloudchaser | point it to proxy server |
| 03:37:15 | Pvt_Joker | ok DNS.....that should be set to a port right? |
| 03:39:09 | Cloudchaser | whatever is doing your dhcp should pass that info along |
| 03:39:17 | Cloudchaser | unless you set yourself a static |
| 03:39:31 | DragonEagle | can the root filesystem be converted over to jffs2? |
| 03:39:31 | Pvt_Joker | IP? yea |
| 03:39:35 | Cloudchaser | if you did then you'd need to manually configure your dns server |
| 03:39:40 | Cloudchaser | address |
| 03:39:54 | Cloudchaser | are you getting ip address automatically? |
| 03:40:08 | Pvt_Joker | i am now that you said something |
| 03:42:05 | Pvt_Joker | ok.....now the host IP....should that be for my Linksys or for my comp's IP? |
| 03:42:19 | Pvt_Joker | cause that was the one thing i knew for sure i didn't know shit about |
| 03:42:20 | Cloudchaser | what host ip? |
| 03:42:20 | noda | gets back from his trial of UT2003 and sobs about how he has to re-enter all his data into his Z now. Really gotta work out a way to sync with my desktop here :) |
| 03:42:34 | Pvt_Joker | for HTTP? |
| 03:42:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:42:38 | Pvt_Joker | -? |
| 03:42:51 | noda | Is there anything I can sync to on my desktop from the opie PIM apps? |
| 03:42:55 | Cloudchaser | i don't know what your proxy settings are |
| 03:43:01 | Cloudchaser | you have to know those |
| 03:43:22 | Pvt_Joker | well right now it's just set for HTTP.....once i get the runnin' i'll enable everything else |
| 03:43:33 | Pvt_Joker | that |
| 03:44:25 | Fatbummer | noda use /part in this window hehe ;) |
| 03:45:12 | noda | rofl, I'm out of it tonight :) |
| 03:45:40 | Pvt_Joker | should the link light on my Dlink blink or stay lit? |
| 03:47:32 | Fatbummer | go scanline |
| 03:47:37 | Fatbummer | guess you were first :) |
| 03:47:38 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:47:46 | Fatbummer | whoohoo |
| 03:47:48 | scanline | has a fast connection and already had the /msg Mysticone typed :) |
| 03:47:52 | Fatbummer | lisnin to the radio |
| 03:48:01 | jbardin | whats this about no method `QFileDialog::getOpenFileName' ? |
| 03:48:12 | jbardin | i have include <qfiledialog.h> and everyhting |
| 03:48:14 | Fatbummer | i did too |
| 03:48:21 | Fatbummer | haha |
| 03:49:06 | Fatbummer | radio is fuckin cool |
| 03:49:55 | scanline | indeedy |
| 03:51:10 | Fatbummer | im havin trouble with the usbdnet patch |
| 03:51:14 | Fatbummer | scanline you done it? |
| 03:51:28 | scanline | nah.. I use 802.11 |
| 03:51:32 | Fatbummer | crap |
| 03:51:33 | Fatbummer | any1? |
| 03:51:42 | kergoth | okay, got back from the grocery store |
| 03:51:55 | kergoth | i figured i'd eat something besides the ramen and eggs, which was the extent of the food in my house |
| 03:51:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:52:17 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 03:52:51 | noda | kergoth: I've just reflashed, before I enter more data I'll try rebooting after installing each package, see if I can make my Zaurus die again :) |
| 03:53:01 | jbardin | urg |
| 03:53:02 | kergoth | noda: hah, keep me posted |
| 03:53:11 | Fatbummer | usbdnet patch neceesary? |
| 03:53:14 | kergoth | noda: you've got a pretty good attitude about this, most users would be bitching by now ;-) |
| 03:53:17 | kergoth | Fatbummer: yep |
| 03:53:19 | Fatbummer | i cant patch to kernel 2.4.19 either |
| 03:53:34 | kergoth | Fatbummer: i patched my 2.4.19 with usbdnet with no issues |
| 03:53:44 | Fatbummer | :( |
| 03:53:44 | kergoth | Fatbummer: reguar 2.4.19 from kernel.org, or a redhat kernel source? |
| 03:53:51 | Fatbummer | regular |
| 03:54:04 | Fatbummer | what i go from tho? |
| 03:54:05 | noda | Whee, broke it again :) |
| 03:54:07 | kergoth | what was the error from patch? |
| 03:54:12 | kergoth | noda: what was it? |
| 03:54:20 | noda | It's busybox for sure - I can't reinstall it without the thing breaking halfway through. |
| 03:54:27 | kergoth | noda: ack, okay |
| 03:54:39 | kergoth | noda: let me yank it from the feed before it breaks more people |
| 03:54:50 | noda | Now I've left my Z on so I can scp the new one over... |
| 03:54:51 | Fatbummer | can't find file to patch at input line 4 Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? |
| 03:54:55 | kergoth | noda: good idea |
| 03:54:55 | Pvt_Joker | kergoth: should the link light on my Dlink blink or stay lit? |
| 03:55:13 | kergoth | Fatbummer: cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.19; cat ../patch|patch -p1; |
| 03:55:16 | noda | Hrm, I've upgraded busybox before, it had a similar problem but somehow I got the thing running again. I think it ran the rcS script fine, dunno... *hates when he forgets weird things like this* |
| 03:55:21 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: lit when you have a connection, flashing when its lost |
| 03:55:39 | noda | kergoth: Before yanking it, could you please wait 'til I download it? :P |
| 03:55:42 | Pvt_Joker | ok then i migth be gettin' closer |
| 03:55:44 | jbardin | kergoth any reason why gcc wouldnt be able to find a static public method in an include file? |
| 03:55:47 | kergoth | noda: oh, yeah |
| 03:55:49 | kergoth | noda: let me know |
| 03:55:56 | noda | What's the url? :) |
| 03:56:00 | kergoth | jbardin: not offhand, no. whats the exact error? |
| 03:56:15 | jbardin | ConfigWidget.cpp:30: no method `QFileDialog::getOpenFileName' |
| 03:56:22 | kergoth | noda: current, or a previous build? |
| 03:56:25 | jbardin | and on that line is the exact code copied from the documention |
| 03:56:26 | kergoth | noda: i keep my old ipks around |
| 03:56:33 | noda | kergoth: Never mind, I have it in my Z of course :) |
| 03:56:37 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 03:56:45 | jbardin | QString f = QFileDialog::getOpenFileName(QString::null, "*.db", this ); |
| 03:56:55 | kergoth | brb, gotta grill some chicken for my fajitas |
| 03:57:04 | jbardin | and in the qfiledialog.h it is defined rioght there |
| 03:57:12 | noda | kergoth: Downloaded it, thanks for waiting :) |
| 03:57:52 | Pvt_Joker | kergoth: just wondering.....would the DCF-660W work also? |
| 03:58:15 | Pvt_Joker | cause i bought that one on accident earlier.....wondering if there would of been a way to get it working |
| 03:58:16 | Cloudchaser | Pvt_Joker: look on zaurus zone for info |
| 03:58:29 | Cloudchaser | tehre have been some posts about it |
| 03:58:35 | Cloudchaser | i just can't remember what they said |
| 03:58:51 | Pvt_Joker | lol i flipped through them before and don't remember either |
| 03:59:07 | noda | Oh no! I try to overwrite busybox and I get the error, "lost connection" (using scp) |
| 03:59:19 | Fatbummer | kergoth what is this cat ../patch|patch -p1 business? |
| 03:59:19 | Cloudchaser | did you set your proxy information? |
| 03:59:44 | Pvt_Joker | it's been set.....it matches up with what i got on here |
| 04:00:06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth that script works, but adding and removing symlinks takes forever |
| 04:00:27 | TheMasterMind1 | it just sits there for a minute when i eject sd |
| 04:00:32 | Cloudchaser | well you should be good to go then |
| 04:00:57 | TheMasterMind1 | it might be beacause it outputs stuff and it does it one by one |
| 04:00:58 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 04:01:01 | Cloudchaser | on your pc open up command and ping the ip address of your z |
| 04:01:07 | Pvt_Joker | would this work without a proxy prog? |
| 04:01:08 | Fatbummer | :-( |
| 04:01:09 | Fatbummer | crying |
| 04:01:12 | Fatbummer | i just wanna patch |
| 04:01:20 | Fatbummer | freshly untarred kernel source |
| 04:01:23 | Fatbummer | and the shit cant patch |
| 04:01:25 | Fatbummer | ? :( |
| 04:01:29 | Fatbummer | why me |
| 04:01:33 | Cloudchaser | not just you |
| 04:01:40 | Cloudchaser | took me 2 days to get it working |
| 04:01:45 | TheMasterMind1 | Fatbummer you're doing it wrong |
| 04:01:53 | Fatbummer | hows that? |
| 04:01:58 | Fatbummer | wrong patch option? |
| 04:02:00 | Fatbummer | i guess |
| 04:02:41 | Cloudchaser | Pvt_Joker: it depends on if your network requires proxy server for internet access |
| 04:02:47 | Fatbummer | in /usr/src i type zcat patch-2.4.19.gz | patch -p0 |
| 04:02:48 | Pvt_Joker | no |
| 04:03:05 | Pvt_Joker | i installed it so i can test Opera when it was in the cradle |
| 04:03:41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth or it just might be taking so long since there's a bunch of files.. |
| 04:03:53 | TheMasterMind1 | either way, i dunno what to do |
| 04:03:54 | comfrey | hey gang anyone know if OZ will get a more recent kernel in upcoming releases? |
| 04:04:01 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey not for a while |
| 04:04:06 | TheMasterMind1 | but its in the works |
| 04:04:39 | Fatbummer | kergoth is that what i should do? |
| 04:04:46 | Fatbummer | obivously not...it doesnt work |
| 04:04:49 | Fatbummer | what do you suggest? |
| 04:04:59 | comfrey | TheMasterMind1: i hear that will improve battery reporting. yes? |
| 04:05:02 | Cloudchaser | fatbum is your kernel 2.4.19? |
| 04:05:06 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey yea |
| 04:05:14 | Fatbummer | Cloudchaser no |
| 04:05:16 | Fatbummer | 2.4.18 |
| 04:05:26 | Cloudchaser | there's a 2.4.18 patch |
| 04:05:36 | Fatbummer | and i have the src from a tar i just untarred in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18 |
| 04:05:37 | Cloudchaser | then you have to do other command to patch it |
| 04:05:44 | Fatbummer | and in /usr/src i type zcat patch-2.4.19.gz | patch -p0 |
| 04:05:53 | comfrey | TheMasterMind1: cool thanks |
| 04:05:54 | Fatbummer | other cmd |
| 04:05:56 | Fatbummer | ah... |
| 04:05:58 | Cloudchaser | yeah that didn't work fo rme either but you have the wrong patch |
| 04:06:09 | Cloudchaser | if you have 2.4.18 kernel |
| 04:06:11 | Fatbummer | whats btween 2.4.18 and 2.4.19 |
| 04:06:17 | Cloudchaser | you need 2.4.18 patch |
| 04:06:43 | Cloudchaser | 2.4.18-4 will work on 2.4.18-10 kernel |
| 04:07:38 | Pvt_Joker | ok either way this still needs a host IP....should that IP be my comps or the Linksys's IP? |
| 04:07:59 | Pvt_Joker | oops that if i have proxys set |
| 04:08:03 | Pvt_Joker | proxies* |
| 04:09:10 | phatcat | say i'm using ssh to use emacs on a network, what key on the zaurus would act as cntr? |
| 04:09:15 | phatcat | ctrl |
| 04:09:17 | kergoth | Fatbummer: she's right, use the correct patch. then cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18; zcat ../patch-2.4.18.gz | patch -p1; |
| 04:09:28 | kergoth | Fatbummer: the 2.4.19 one probably wont work, dont use it |
| 04:10:19 | Fatbummer | 2.4.18 to patch 2.4.18? |
| 04:10:20 | Fatbummer | hehe |
| 04:10:32 | noda | kergoth: Hey, it's not the upgrade process that breaks busybox - the ipk itself doesn't work I think. |
| 04:10:39 | Fatbummer | i wanna go from 2.4.18 to 2.4.19 theeen patch the usbdn .19 |
| 04:10:41 | kergoth | noda: k |
| 04:10:50 | noda | kergoth: I've copied a new busybox to /bin/busybox -- everything that uses busybox returns "Illegal instruction" |
| 04:10:59 | kergoth | Fatbummer: then get the 2.4.19 kernel sources and do it |
| 04:11:11 | kergoth | noda: ah yeah, ljp reported that earlier. its just b0rked. backrev to a previous version |
| 04:11:27 | noda | kergoth: I don't have any previous versions, could you please help me find one? :) |
| 04:11:35 | kergoth | noda: http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/old/ |
| 04:11:37 | Fatbummer | hehe im dumb |
| 04:11:41 | noda | kergoth: Thanks :) |
| 04:11:49 | kergoth | noda: np |
| 04:12:20 | Fatbummer | all i see is patches |
| 04:12:22 | Fatbummer | grr |
| 04:12:39 | kergoth | Fatbummer: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 |
| 04:12:45 | kergoth | Fatbummer: unless you want an rpm or something |
| 04:12:51 | kergoth | Fatbummer: or if you're debian, apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.19 |
| 04:12:54 | kergoth | Fatbummer: heh |
| 04:13:11 | Fatbummer | kergoth i tried the apt-get it cant find the smut |
| 04:13:20 | kergoth | Fatbummer: are you on unstable? |
| 04:13:23 | kergoth | Fatbummer: the package is there, i use it. |
| 04:13:31 | kergoth | Fatbummer: apt-get update; apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.19; |
| 04:13:38 | noda | Phew, busybox back to normal :) |
| 04:13:40 | Fatbummer | i did :( |
| 04:13:51 | kergoth | Fatbummer: are you on unstable? |
| 04:13:56 | Fatbummer | im on 3.0 |
| 04:13:59 | Fatbummer | i.e. woody |
| 04:14:05 | kergoth | Fatbummer: might not be in there. |
| 04:14:21 | Fatbummer | erikd: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.4.19 |
| 04:14:29 | jbardin | kergoth any thoughts on why i might be gettin that eror? |
| 04:15:39 | kergoth | Fatbummer: apt-get install -t unstable kernel-source-2.4.19 |
| 04:15:41 | kergoth | Fatbummer: heh |
| 04:16:07 | Fatbummer | but its stable i thought |
| 04:16:27 | noda | Fatbummer: According to the Linux developers it's stable, not according to Debian maintainers. |
| 04:16:37 | Fatbummer | those sluts |
| 04:16:41 | Fatbummer | :-D |
| 04:16:45 | Fatbummer | oh well |
| 04:16:49 | Fatbummer | im gettin that 30 mber |
| 04:17:17 | kergoth | Fatbummer: it takes a lot for something to be considered stable by the debian folks |
| 04:17:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:17:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 04:21:35 | Wembly | herm |
| 04:21:41 | Wembly | its 04dd:4008 ? |
| 04:21:43 | Wembly | or 8004? |
| 04:21:48 | Wembly | the usb device/product id? |
| 04:21:55 | Fatbummer | i thought 8004 |
| 04:21:57 | Cloudchaser | 8004 |
| 04:22:00 | Wembly | k |
| 04:22:01 | Fatbummer | 8002 |
| 04:22:04 | Wembly | thanx |
| 04:22:06 | Fatbummer | ah |
| 04:22:07 | Wembly | 8002 is for the serial |
| 04:22:12 | Fatbummer | i have a doc here saying 8002 |
| 04:22:17 | Fatbummer | ah |
| 04:22:47 | Cloudchaser | finally got it all working and tried to transfer 200 mb file and it failed at 75% 3 times |
| 04:22:49 | Cloudchaser | sighs |
| 04:23:12 | jbardin | z0r now i am gettting this |
| 04:23:19 | jbardin | variable `class QFileDialog fd' has initializer but incomplete type |
| 04:23:23 | jbardin | type `QFileDialog' is not yet defined |
| 04:23:27 | jbardin | how can that be? |
| 04:24:29 | kergoth | jbardin: are you using qt/x11 or qt/e? |
| 04:24:32 | jbardin | google was no help either |
| 04:24:34 | jbardin | qt/e |
| 04:24:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth any ideas? |
| 04:24:41 | kergoth | jbardin: qt/e odesnt have QFileDialog enabled. |
| 04:24:45 | kergoth | jbardin: hence it isnt defined. |
| 04:24:45 | jbardin | interetsing... |
| 04:24:51 | jbardin | is there an eqivulent? |
| 04:24:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 04:25:03 | TheMasterMind1 | symlinking/removing symlinks is slow as shit |
| 04:25:03 | kergoth | jbardin: see the FileSelector and FileManager classes in qtopia |
| 04:25:06 | TheMasterMind1 | especially on the sd |
| 04:25:08 | kergoth | jbardin: read the qtopia-sdk docs |
| 04:25:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats not surprising, there's a lot of files to be dealt with |
| 04:25:40 | scanline | gah.. don't ya hate it when you compile with extra debug options to find a segfault, and you can't get it to segfault any more? |
| 04:25:48 | noda | What's opie-sh do? :) |
| 04:25:51 | kergoth | scanline: lol, yep. timing issues often |
| 04:25:53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yea, so what do we want to do about it |
| 04:26:00 | TheMasterMind1 | it hangs for like a minute when ejecting sd |
| 04:26:02 | kergoth | noda: its like 'dialog' only for qtopia dialogs |
| 04:26:02 | jbardin | kergoth i was checking fileselector efore but it had some funky retun values |
| 04:26:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: let me think |
| 04:26:15 | noda | kergoth: What's 'dialog'? :) |
| 04:26:17 | kergoth | jbardin: well, theres not a lot of options. either use them or create your own class for that purpose |
| 04:26:38 | kergoth | noda: lets you display a console 'window' to do ncurses stuff like menus from the commandline |
| 04:26:50 | kergoth | noda: with opie-sh, you can create a qtopia dialog from a shell script |
| 04:26:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth think away |
| 04:27:26 | noda | kergoth: Okay, so it's *sorta* like a library for creating graphical shell scripts? |
| 04:36:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:36:28 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid sd card |
| 04:37:30 | bigbadbarney | go in #unixrebel for no topic chat |
| 04:37:39 | rehan | hi - does anyone know if the usb on the zaurus operates in "host" mode - ie can i plug in one of those usb cameras and have it work? |
| 04:37:50 | chayim | rehan : nope it's not a host. |
| 04:38:13 | jbardin | kergoth now i get this error in the console... Categories::labels didn't find app Document View |
| 04:38:25 | jbardin | i suppose that it just doesnt operate like a simple file selector |
| 04:39:24 | kergoth | jbardin: that error is harmless, dont worry about it |
| 04:40:14 | jbardin | hmmm.. but the file thing isnt showing up... |
| 04:40:25 | rehan | hmm - so there would be no way to plug a camera in? what about a microphone? is that built-in or do you have to use an external one |
| 04:41:00 | kergoth | rehan: mic you have to use an external one with the headphone jack |
| 04:41:10 | kergoth | rehan: camera, there's a cf camera |
| 04:41:27 | rehan | oh right - of course there is! :) |
| 04:41:34 | kergoth | rehan: or just store pictures on the cf card with a digital camera that uses CF, and use that to copy files back & forth |
| 04:41:37 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:41:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:41:50 | rehan | so it's possible to make the zaurus into a video camera |
| 04:42:13 | rehan | if the camera can stream video |
| 04:42:31 | kergoth | well, if you can find a cf camera that can handle video |
| 04:42:33 | kergoth | i dont know of any offhand |
| 04:42:48 | jbardin | nvrmnd forgot to show it |
| 04:42:51 | TheMasterMind1 | what the fuck was sharp thinking when they made it use only 1 of the 4 sd channels |
| 04:42:56 | TheMasterMind1 | fucking pos |
| 04:42:58 | jbardin | man.. that file selecer os pretty useless |
| 04:43:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: limitation of the support chip that handles the sd |
| 04:43:15 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Probably "Nobody'll notice and it costs a lot less" :) |
| 04:43:17 | kergoth | jbardin: yep, which is why opie uses a custom one |
| 04:44:35 | jbardin | hmmm would it be hard to just use there fileselecotr? |
| 04:44:43 | jbardin | or is it entrenched into there system?> |
| 04:44:49 | kergoth | jbardin: its in libopie |
| 04:44:58 | kergoth | jbardin: if you dont mind depending on libopie, use it |
| 04:45:04 | kergoth | jbardin: OFileSelector |
| 04:45:42 | jbardin | hmm |
| 04:46:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth any ideas yet? |
| 04:47:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: create a file on the card that means 'if this file exists, dont bother linking/unlinking, because i'm semi-permanent' |
| 04:47:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i.e. a empty file flagging it as such |
| 04:47:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then it wont do it on that card more than once |
| 04:47:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: (link, i mean) |
| 04:48:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: for people who dont change cards often, then you wouldnt see any lag |
| 04:49:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't get it |
| 04:49:33 | TheMasterMind1 | when is that file created |
| 04:49:39 | TheMasterMind1 | and under what circumstances |
| 04:49:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it'd be manual, or a global setting |
| 04:50:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i.e. reflash, rm /mnt/cf/stamp-dontlinkme, cardctl eject; cardctl insert; |
| 04:50:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: boom, its all relinked |
| 04:50:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and it'll unlink/link on eject/insert from then on, unless you touch that file |
| 04:51:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it doesnt solve the problem for people that are willing to endure it, but it does for those who are just going to leave their sd card in all the time for example, and dont want to be bothered when they do pull it out for a minute |
| 04:51:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no other solution comes to mind off the top of my head, i'll take a look at the script to see if i can speed it up |
| 04:52:46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:01:18 | kergoth | ugh bbiaf, need to lay down and relax a bit, feeling lightheaded |
| 05:03:17 | Pvt_Joker | "Cannot locate remote server"....how the hell do i fix that? |
| 05:15:52 | Fatbummer | any1 use xcdroast? |
| 05:25:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i commented out the actual rm command and it still takes a while |
| 05:26:00 | TheMasterMind1 | its slow cuz theres's so many files |
| 05:26:03 | TheMasterMind1 | and it goes through each one |
| 05:26:10 | TheMasterMind1 | you think it would be much faster in C? |
| 05:26:13 | TheMasterMind1 | rather than shell |
| 05:28:54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ?! |
| 05:30:09 | W|GGL|T | <kergoth> ugh bbiaf, need to lay down and relax a bit, feeling lightheaded |
| 05:35:01 | Wembly | themastermind: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:36:49 | TheMasterMind1 | make this symlink script fast |
| 05:37:36 | Wembly | funfun |
| 05:37:42 | Wembly | what are you trying to symlink? |
| 05:37:55 | Fatbummer | when i do make xconfig what file does it generate? |
| 05:38:02 | Fatbummer | like every makefile? |
| 05:39:23 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 05:39:27 | TheMasterMind1 | this shell script right now |
| 05:39:32 | TheMasterMind1 | looks on /mnt/card or /mnt/cf |
| 05:39:36 | TheMasterMind1 | and symlinks stuff back to root |
| 05:39:40 | TheMasterMind1 | and also unsymlinks |
| 05:39:49 | TheMasterMind1 | basically, for when you mount and umount cf/sd |
| 05:39:53 | TheMasterMind1 | thing is, its slow onthe sd |
| 05:40:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm thinking c might be faster |
| 05:41:01 | Wembly | herm. |
| 05:41:08 | Wembly | yea |
| 05:41:13 | Wembly | or a better way of doing it. |
| 05:41:23 | TheMasterMind1 | how? |
| 05:41:48 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 05:41:56 | Wembly | some way of mergeing all the filesystems into one filesystem? |
| 05:42:06 | TheMasterMind1 | if you think of something, tell me |
| 05:42:14 | Wembly | you also have a bind mount |
| 05:42:18 | TheMasterMind1 | this is the best we can do right now i think |
| 05:42:22 | TheMasterMind1 | bind mount? |
| 05:42:29 | Wembly | yea |
| 05:42:32 | Wembly | binding files or dirs into place |
| 05:42:36 | Wembly | insted of useing symlinks |
| 05:42:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:42:45 | TheMasterMind1 | if you could do the whole dir |
| 05:42:48 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be more efficient |
| 05:42:57 | TheMasterMind1 | problem with that is there's already a dir there with some stuff in there |
| 05:43:00 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't like merge em |
| 05:43:39 | Wembly | i remember seeing a filesystem where that was possable tho :/ |
| 05:43:53 | TheMasterMind1 | see if you can find it |
| 05:44:04 | TheMasterMind1 | we might not be able to change file systems though |
| 05:44:13 | TheMasterMind1 | and the cf/sd can be different things |
| 05:44:18 | TheMasterMind1 | ext2/vfat/minix |
| 05:44:21 | TheMasterMind1 | whatever the user has |
| 05:50:51 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 24:14:58) |
| 05:51:32 | Wembly | why cant app writers just write apps that will work with cf/card/etc |
| 05:51:37 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 05:52:11 | Wembly | thematsermind: you should atleast be able to trim down the locations on where you need to scan. |
| 05:52:21 | Wembly | namely dont need to look in /mnt/cf/lib/ and such |
| 05:52:33 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:52:34 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 05:52:41 | TheMasterMind1 | right now it gets the list of installed ipks on that medium |
| 05:52:46 | TheMasterMind1 | and the files that each package installed |
| 05:52:50 | TheMasterMind1 | and symlinks all ofthose |
| 05:53:00 | Wembly | well you can filter out the .so's |
| 05:53:04 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 05:53:24 | TheMasterMind1 | if libpcap0 installs a so onto the cf, you want it symlinked |
| 05:54:18 | Wembly | ?? |
| 05:54:22 | Wembly | yea |
| 05:54:28 | Wembly | but you have /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 05:54:40 | Wembly | that will look for it in the /mnt/cf/lib dir |
| 05:54:54 | Wembly | just write a patch for open() or somesuch |
| 05:55:01 | Wembly | so that it looks for any file in the proper place. |
| 05:55:11 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm confused? |
| 05:55:19 | TheMasterMind1 | have it look for libs in /mnt/xxx/lib |
| 05:55:21 | TheMasterMind1 | that makes sense |
| 05:55:23 | Wembly | yea |
| 05:55:31 | TheMasterMind1 | but there's also usr/lib etc |
| 05:55:32 | Wembly | so you dont need to symlink libs into /lib |
| 05:55:34 | TheMasterMind1 | but that's no big deal |
| 05:55:35 | Wembly | yea |
| 05:55:39 | TheMasterMind1 | what else can we cut down on |
| 05:55:41 | Wembly | so you dont need to deal with that |
| 05:55:48 | TheMasterMind1 | and i'm thinking if we do it in C it'll be faster than with shell |
| 05:56:05 | Wembly | why not do it in a preload library or somesuch? |
| 05:56:14 | Wembly | like do a open() |
| 05:56:21 | Wembly | so that it checks the differnt dirs. |
| 05:56:34 | Wembly | and then you dont have to do any of that. |
| 05:56:40 | Wembly | and it'll open the file no matter where its located |
| 05:56:52 | Wembly | and toss a warning that it was needed or somesuch |
| 05:57:01 | TheMasterMind1 | that made no sense |
| 05:57:05 | Wembly | ok |
| 05:57:16 | TheMasterMind1 | are you still talking about libs |
| 05:57:18 | TheMasterMind1 | or all files? |
| 05:57:20 | Wembly | all files |
| 05:57:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 05:57:29 | Wembly | make a library that contains the open() function |
| 05:57:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 05:57:35 | TheMasterMind1 | what's that do |
| 05:57:46 | Wembly | that will wrap around the open function from libc6 |
| 05:57:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 05:57:54 | Wembly | then it'll call open |
| 05:57:58 | Wembly | and look for the file. |
| 05:58:13 | Wembly | and if it dosnt find it in the normal file system then it'll look for it in a list of predefined dirs |
| 05:58:22 | Wembly | aka /mnt/cf /mnt/card /mnt/mem /mnt/net |
| 05:58:24 | Wembly | or whatever |
| 05:58:25 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 05:58:27 | sig | sup |
| 05:58:28 | Wembly | untill it finds it |
| 05:58:54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:59:05 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like it would really ruin performance |
| 05:59:08 | TheMasterMind1 | and slow stuff down |
| 05:59:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not so sure how you'd get that open() thing to work either |
| 06:00:04 | Wembly | ldpreload or somesuch |
| 06:00:11 | Wembly | or write a patch for open() in libc |
| 06:00:17 | Wembly | or something to that extent |
| 06:00:27 | Wembly | a patch to libc6 would be ideal. |
| 06:01:39 | Wembly | basicly insted of returning itd check a few other places. |
| 06:01:42 | Wembly | not that hard :) |
| 06:01:46 | Wembly | and wouldnt kill the performance. |
| 06:01:52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 06:01:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 06:01:56 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll ask kergoth |
| 06:01:58 | TheMasterMind1 | might just work |
| 06:02:01 | Wembly | cus the majority of open() calls are performed on files that already exist |
| 06:02:03 | TheMasterMind1 | got any other ideas? |
| 06:02:14 | Wembly | or hell patch the kernel to check in mutliple mounted filesystems |
| 06:03:25 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 06:03:40 | TheMasterMind1 | but its only supposed to do that if the stuff is mounted |
| 06:03:45 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not too hard though |
| 06:03:47 | TheMasterMind1 | who knows |
| 06:03:48 | TheMasterMind1 | it might work |
| 06:11:48 | TheMasterMind1 | looks like kergoth fell asleep |
| 07:01:58 | Onyx4 | where does ipkg stores its temp files? I just ran ipkg upgrade qt-embeded and now I lost like 2mb |
| 07:02:02 | Onyx4 | off my flash |
| 07:07:05 | Onyx4 | mmm ok now I restarted opie and the ram got freed up |
| 07:07:12 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 07:07:21 | Onyx4 | I think it was probably holding up the file in memory |
| 07:07:26 | XavierXeon | tmp ipkg files are in /tmp |
| 07:07:28 | Onyx4 | since it was still being used |
| 07:09:06 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: did you compile strace for arm? |
| 07:09:14 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 07:09:36 | Onyx4 | I have a real weird problem when compiling knights under arm, it starts than hangs there and take 100% cpu |
| 07:09:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 07:09:43 | Onyx4 | but under my qvfb it works fine |
| 07:13:33 | Onyx4 | so is wget and tinylogin gonna be taken out of the feed since they are in busybox now |
| 07:15:59 | Onyx4 | you have gdb tough right? |
| 07:16:27 | TheMasterMind1 | yes they'll be taken out |
| 07:16:33 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno about gdb or strace |
| 07:16:36 | TheMasterMind1 | might be in busybox.. |
| 07:16:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt it though |
| 07:17:51 | Onyx4 | woud you like to try it on your Z and see if it does the same thing? |
| 07:18:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 07:18:11 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 07:18:13 | TheMasterMind1 | send it |
| 07:18:26 | Onyx4 | k |
| 07:19:24 | Onyx4 | waiting on dcc |
| 07:19:31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 07:19:32 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 07:19:36 | TheMasterMind1 | -:- DCC Unable to create connection: Interrupted system call |
| 07:19:38 | TheMasterMind1 | always does that |
| 07:19:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno why |
| 07:19:44 | TheMasterMind1 | put it on the web? |
| 07:19:45 | Onyx4 | heh |
| 07:19:46 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 07:21:25 | Onyx4 | you need these two, one is the chess engine, other is the game |
| 07:22:11 | TheMasterMind1 | second one won't work |
| 07:22:15 | TheMasterMind1 | wget: server returned error 403: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden |
| 07:22:32 | Onyx4 | oh my firewall reported this: forged dcc command 134.15.23.234 |
| 07:22:40 | Speedy2 | re |
| 07:22:52 | Onyx4 | ok try again |
| 07:22:54 | Onyx4 | fixed it |
| 07:25:14 | Onyx4 | I compiled it under both opie and just plain qte and it didn't change the behavior so it must be something I'm missing |
| 07:25:19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 07:25:21 | TheMasterMind1 | it started |
| 07:25:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i see the chess thing |
| 07:25:26 | TheMasterMind1 | but then locked up |
| 07:25:31 | Onyx4 | exactly |
| 07:25:42 | Onyx4 | you can login remotely and killall knights |
| 07:25:45 | Onyx4 | then it unfreezes |
| 07:26:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 07:26:14 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 07:26:23 | Onyx4 | if you want to mess around with it I can send ya the pointer to the source |
| 07:26:33 | TheMasterMind1 | don't have time right now |
| 07:26:34 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe later |
| 07:26:44 | Onyx4 | ok no biggie |
| 07:26:56 | Onyx4 | just been messing with that one for a little while now hehe |
| 07:27:46 | Onyx4 | but now I've got a full opie compiled on my system , it's kinda cool |
| 07:28:01 | Onyx4 | took me a while to get all that setup for both x86 and arm |
| 07:31:43 | Onyx4 | for some weird reason my Z will still not keep the time after suspend/resume/reboot, looks like atd is messed up on mine |
| 07:35:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 07:35:37 | TheMasterMind1 | phalanx seems to work fine |
| 07:35:44 | TheMasterMind1 | so the problem is in knights |
| 07:36:33 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 07:39:26 | Onyx4 | maybe with strace or gdb I'd be able to see what it's trying to loop on |
| 07:39:52 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 07:40:29 | Onyx4 | unless it's caused by some weird compiler issue |
| 07:40:38 | Onyx4 | but it works fine on x86 |
| 07:41:03 | TheMasterMind1 | are you optimizing? |
| 07:41:15 | Onyx4 | I just used the default for tmake |
| 07:43:40 | Onyx4 | -pipe -DQT_QWS_EBX -DQT_QWS_CUSTOM -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -O2 -DNO_DEBUG |
| 07:44:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 07:44:59 | TheMasterMind1 | -O is optimize |
| 07:45:08 | TheMasterMind1 | but it shouldn't matter |
| 07:45:17 | Onyx4 | yeah I don't think that would cause it |
| 07:46:20 | NeoTron | is away: sleeo |
| 08:16:42 | Onyx4 | hehe I compiled op2 under x86 :) |
| 08:20:34 | burtonator | ne1 here snap their Z pens like I have? |
| 08:20:44 | burtonator | both plastic sides of my pen have broken off :( |
| 08:20:52 | burtonator | I guess it is covered under warranty though... |
| 08:20:57 | tweek | burtonator: i hear that a lot of people do that |
| 08:21:04 | tweek | burtonator: i don't know how though, mine is really solid |
| 08:21:17 | tweek | you'd really have to be putting a lot of stress on it to break it |
| 08:24:28 | burtonator | the second have just fell off by itself! |
| 08:24:34 | burtonator | ;) |
| 08:26:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 08:26:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i know they screw off |
| 08:26:30 | TheMasterMind1 | but just snapping? |
| 08:51:35 | George- | hi |
| 09:01:56 | XavierXeon | is there a qt claas for random numbers or do i have to use good old rand() ? |
| 09:13:33 | George- | XavierXeon: erm |
| 09:13:40 | George- | XavierXeon: I think QPEApplication has it? |
| 09:14:42 | George- | CRAP |
| 09:14:50 | XavierXeon | cant find anything in the QPEApplication documentation about it. |
| 09:15:54 | George- | XavierXeon: use Rand() then, you lazy person :) |
| 09:16:02 | XavierXeon | i will ;-) |
| 09:16:57 | George- | I need to speak to benmeyer |
| 09:16:58 | George- | :( |
| 09:17:07 | George- | He's prolly pretty angry with me, heh |
| 09:18:12 | XavierXeon | why ? |
| 09:19:00 | George- | Cos he sent me an email saying that he noticed that my app (HTML Editor) was in the contest submissions (beta), but I haven't submitted a final yet (hopefully will do in the next few hours), and he hasn't found it on the web |
| 09:19:15 | George- | I haven't replied, cos I've not had access to that email account for 1.5 weeks |
| 09:19:15 | George- | :( |
| 09:19:40 | XavierXeon | when did you get that mail ? |
| 09:19:58 | George- | 4th September |
| 09:19:59 | George- | ARGH |
| 09:20:03 | George- | *ages* ago |
| 09:20:08 | George- | the day after I went back to school |
| 09:28:16 | George- | w00t? The 5500 is now only 400 GBP |
| 09:30:44 | XavierXeon | thats arounf 600 euros, that is still more expensive than in germany |
| 09:32:33 | George- | XavierXeon: I know |
| 09:32:40 | George- | XavierXeon: it used to be 500 GBP =P |
| 09:32:50 | George- | brb |
| 09:34:47 | George- | yo |
| 09:37:54 | SleepyMoo | morning |
| 09:37:57 | George- | hi |
| 09:39:13 | George- | ugh |
| 09:39:17 | George- | Stupid IRC server |
| 09:40:06 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 09:41:41 | George- | hello |
| 10:02:16 | George- | Harlekin: how's op²? |
| 10:02:26 | Harlekin | progressing |
| 10:02:53 | George- | opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20020905_retail_rom_arm.ipk? |
| 10:03:27 | Harlekin | thats the last public one |
| 10:03:35 | Harlekin | i could give you a new snapshot |
| 10:03:46 | Harlekin | but thats segfaulting every few minutes |
| 10:03:53 | Harlekin | mem optimisation ... |
| 10:04:55 | George- | ok |
| 10:04:59 | George- | is that for the Sharp's retail rom? |
| 10:37:45 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 10:38:19 | Harlekin | George-: was, yes |
| 11:00:41 | nglshbiker | hello? |
| 11:12:50 | ljp-- | hello! |
| 11:26:21 | cranch | WHAT UP! |
| 11:26:25 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or something you give to cattle! |
| 11:26:25 | cranch | ibot: feed |
| 11:27:11 | George- | hi cranch |
| 11:27:22 | cranch | Hey George! :) |
| 11:27:28 | cranch | Got my G4 finally |
| 11:27:29 | cranch | :) |
| 11:27:33 | George- | lol |
| 11:27:39 | cranch | and I think I'm going to reflash to OZ |
| 11:27:47 | cranch | but I'm going to miss opera and such :( |
| 11:27:49 | George- | now you have to wait twice as long for it to bootup |
| 11:27:50 | George- | lol |
| 11:27:56 | cranch | :P |
| 11:28:07 | cranch | you talking the G4 or my Zaurus? |
| 11:28:15 | George- | G4 |
| 11:28:17 | cranch | haha |
| 11:28:20 | cranch | its not slow smart ass |
| 11:28:23 | cranch | gets the job done for me |
| 11:28:36 | cranch | if it were my main system, I'd have got a faster one |
| 11:28:44 | George- | lol, slower than mine =P |
| 11:28:48 | cranch | well of course |
| 11:28:57 | cranch | but I use my Dell 8100 for my main computer |
| 11:29:01 | | hmmm... openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 11:29:01 | cranch | ibot: openzaurus |
| 11:29:31 | cranch | George: any new stuff I should use when going to OZ? |
| 11:29:37 | cranch | a new initrd or anything/ |
| 11:30:09 | George- | i dunno |
| 11:30:13 | George- | I've been away for a while |
| 11:30:18 | cranch | shit |
| 11:30:25 | cranch | where is everyone when you need them |
| 11:30:28 | cranch | :P |
| 11:30:37 | George- | running away? |
| 11:30:41 | George- | "Oh no! It's CRANCH!" |
| 11:30:43 | George- | :) |
| 11:31:00 | cranch | supposedly you can now use buildroot to download a SharpROM and then extract all the Hancom and Opera and such |
| 11:31:14 | cranch | I need those damn hancom apps anyways..can't seem to find mine :( |
| 11:31:44 | cranch | there was a public available link at the hancom site once...remember? |
| 11:32:40 | cranch | I love my cable modem: 558k/sec |
| 11:34:24 | cranch | you got the boot |
| 11:34:27 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 33 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: ugh bbiaf, need to lay down and relax a bit, feeling lightheaded [Sun Sep 15 06:01:18 2002] |
| 11:34:27 | cranch | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 11:34:45 | | Cloudchaser was last seen on #zaurus 7 hours, 11 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: sighs [Sun Sep 15 05:22:49 2002] |
| 11:34:45 | cranch | ibot: seen Cloudchaser |
| 11:34:53 | | kergoth`gone was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 13 hours, 30 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: e [Fri Sep 13 23:04:42 2002] |
| 11:34:53 | cranch | ibot: seen kergoth`gone |
| 11:35:31 | George- | bbiaf? |
| 11:35:39 | cranch | Ibbiaf? |
| 11:36:09 | cranch | haha |
| 11:36:21 | cranch | be back in a few |
| 11:40:16 | cranch | George: you still have those hancom ipks? |
| 11:41:27 | George- | yes |
| 11:41:29 | George- | i'm busy |
| 11:43:18 | cranch | the hell you are :P |
| 11:43:19 | cranch | haha |
| 11:44:13 | George- | i'm busy |
| 11:44:17 | George- | so shut it |
| 11:46:00 | ljp-- | if you are busy.. what are you doing on irc? |
| 11:46:34 | cranch | hahaha |
| 11:47:01 | cranch | I wish Opera was in OZ3 |
| 11:47:30 | cranch | or OZ I mean |
| 11:47:47 | George- | grrr |
| 11:49:21 | Harlekin | cranch: take it over |
| 11:50:52 | cranchy | is there a new initrd.bin out with the new kernel and such? |
| 11:52:33 | cranchy | this is a bitch to do ipkg upgrade for 45 minutes :) |
| 11:52:54 | darienm | George- !!! |
| 11:53:06 | cranchy | I take it thats a no for a new initrd? |
| 11:54:18 | cranchy | I was thinking kergoth said there was a new one floating around |
| 12:00:03 | cranchy | its quiet in here today |
| 12:20:31 | scanline | is away: fun |
| 13:05:45 | George- | mmmmm |
| 13:05:51 | George- | just sent the release candidate of my HTML Editor |
| 13:05:52 | George- | It's usable |
| 13:08:38 | angry | where can you get libSDL using debian? |
| 13:10:37 | angry | never mind |
| 13:45:03 | | fusion94 was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 8 hours, 4 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: heh [Sat Sep 14 06:40:53 2002] |
| 13:45:03 | BigBoss | ibot seen fusion94 |
| 13:45:52 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 13:53:27 | chouimat|coffee | Hey George-, at school ? |
| 13:53:32 | George- | chouimat|coffee: heck no |
| 13:53:36 | George- | =P |
| 13:53:40 | chouimat|coffee | George-: shit :( |
| 13:54:02 | George- | chouimat|coffee: you just wanna smash me off with swear words |
| 13:54:25 | chouimat|coffee | George-: why not |
| 13:54:45 | George- | chouimat|coffee: grr |
| 13:54:55 | George- | chouimat|coffee: you wanna get me banned from the fucking network don't you? |
| 13:54:58 | chouimat|coffee | George-: *grin* |
| 13:55:09 | George- | kicks chouimat|coffee |
| 13:55:13 | George- | chouimat|coffee: how's znessus |
| 13:55:16 | chouimat|coffee | George-: hehe |
| 13:55:16 | George- | *grin* |
| 13:55:35 | chouimat|coffee | George-: he's well |
| 13:55:48 | George- | My bloody Zaurus hasn't arrived yet |
| 13:56:06 | chouimat|coffee | George-: it will be shipped next week |
| 13:57:00 | George- | how do u know? |
| 13:57:14 | chouimat|coffee | George-: just asked last week |
| 13:57:20 | George- | k |
| 13:57:23 | George- | did u submit a final ? |
| 13:57:29 | George- | I submitted a release candidate |
| 13:57:32 | chouimat|coffee | George-: no |
| 13:57:33 | George- | *g* |
| 13:57:56 | George- | bastard =P |
| 14:11:34 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:19:56) |
| 14:18:42 | hobbs | real busy channel you got here. :) |
| 14:19:58 | darienm | hobbs was not impressed with our Sunday morning chatter, huh? |
| 14:20:26 | Cloudchaser | hehe 'mornin all |
| 14:20:34 | darienm | Hi! |
| 14:20:38 | Cloudchaser | darienm: doesn't appear he said anything |
| 14:20:40 | ljp-- | heh hobbs should have joined #preaching |
| 14:20:46 | darienm | hobbs: real busy channel you got here. :) |
| 14:20:52 | Cloudchaser | yes but before that |
| 14:20:57 | Cloudchaser | like maybe "hello" |
| 14:21:09 | ljp-- | oh well.. his loss |
| 14:21:15 | chouimat|coffee | hi Cloudchaser |
| 14:21:23 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 14:21:30 | Cloudchaser | yes ljp, he failed the first test! |
| 14:21:36 | Cloudchaser | patience, grasshopper |
| 14:23:43 | Cloudchaser | anyway.. how is everyone this fine sunday? |
| 14:23:57 | darienm | full... just finished breakfast. |
| 14:24:08 | darienm | and my father is here, with his OZ Zaurus. |
| 14:24:21 | darienm | But I can't (for unknown reason) install any new packages onto it without errors. |
| 14:24:51 | Cloudchaser | bummer |
| 14:26:22 | Cloudchaser | darienm: i've seen others report that issue |
| 14:28:29 | Cloudchaser | hey what type of ibot do we have in here? does anyone know? |
| 14:28:40 | darienm | infobot.org |
| 14:28:45 | darienm | heavily modified |
| 14:29:08 | Cloudchaser | oh hmm i like our ibot |
| 14:29:32 | Cloudchaser | would the modifier share the mods do you think? |
| 14:29:46 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: that would be tangent IIRC |
| 14:29:55 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: and he probably would |
| 14:30:05 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 14:30:09 | | rumour has it tangent is mailto:jim@secret.org.uk or the creator and maintainer of Intimate Linux |
| 14:30:09 | Cloudchaser | ibot tangent |
| 14:30:24 | darienm | Cloudchaser: the entire project is up in CVS -- BZFlag maintains it. |
| 14:30:32 | darienm | Cloudchaser: Lemme get the URL. |
| 14:30:53 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 14:31:29 | darienm | Cloudchaser: http://oss.lineo.com/cvs.html |
| 14:31:32 | Cloudchaser | thanks |
| 14:31:44 | darienm | browse, then infobot |
| 14:31:51 | darienm | http://oss.lineo.com/cvs_anon.html |
| 14:32:13 | Cloudchaser | whats that one for? |
| 14:32:29 | darienm | instructions for getting or participating in CVS... I dont remember |
| 14:32:31 | Cloudchaser | if its in the cvs, anyone can use it? |
| 14:32:34 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 14:33:44 | Cloudchaser | thanks darienm: i passed the info along |
| 14:39:36 | Cloudchaser | hmm is anyone else having trouble getting to zaurus zone? |
| 14:39:42 | Cloudchaser | i get "connection refused" |
| 14:40:57 | chouimat|coffee | BigBoss: someone on slashdot think that 10$ for tkcPlayer is too expensive |
| 14:43:12 | roge99 | Cloudchaser: yea same here |
| 14:43:45 | chouimat|coffee | same here too |
| 14:44:02 | Cloudchaser | ok thanks roge99 and chouimat|coffee, i didn't know if it was just me or general problem |
| 14:44:40 | roge99 | np |
| 14:54:08 | SimbaWork | can anyone help me telnet my Z to the linux server via switch? |
| 14:54:54 | George- | bye all |
| 14:54:57 | George- | dinner, then school |
| 14:54:58 | George- | Have fun |
| 14:55:05 | Cloudchaser | you want to telnet from your z to your server? |
| 14:55:07 | Cloudchaser | by george |
| 14:55:16 | George- | bye Cloudchaser =P |
| 14:55:33 | Cloudchaser | you have school on sunday? |
| 14:57:04 | ljp-- | sunday school |
| 14:57:15 | BigBoss | what's going on at slashdot? |
| 14:57:23 | BigBoss | http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/content/html/Zaurus/tkcPlayer.shtml |
| 14:57:48 | phatcat | when is opiemail going to support pop3? |
| 14:57:56 | Harlekin | 2 weeks |
| 14:58:23 | phatcat | awesome |
| 14:58:40 | Harlekin | libs ready, new gui not yet .-) |
| 14:59:25 | BigBoss | yet more lies by the mplayer author |
| 14:59:46 | phatcat | oh really?? |
| 15:02:28 | BigBoss | yes really |
| 15:02:42 | phatcat | that bastard |
| 15:02:42 | BigBoss | tkcVideo is *not* just a simple front end to ffmpeg |
| 15:02:55 | BigBoss | tkcVideo was almost done before ffmpeg became a gpl library |
| 15:02:58 | BigBoss | lgpl rather |
| 15:04:34 | kergoth | stretches |
| 15:04:37 | kergoth | morning all |
| 15:04:53 | Harlekin | moin kergoth |
| 15:05:07 | kergoth | hey Harlekin, how are ya |
| 15:05:17 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin kergoth |
| 15:05:17 | roge99 | hey kergoth ... |
| 15:05:34 | kergoth | I must've been really tired last night, i went downstairs to watch a little tv and fell asleep on the couch before i turned the tv on :-) |
| 15:05:53 | roge99 | lol |
| 15:06:12 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 15:06:15 | kergoth | kink in my neck now |
| 15:06:30 | BigBoss | I think I've fallen asleep in front of the TV once in the last 25 years - strange feeling |
| 15:06:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:06:55 | ljp-- | heh before you turned on the tv? |
| 15:07:27 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: or you did know that there was nothing good on tv |
| 15:07:39 | Harlekin | kergoth: good |
| 15:07:40 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:08:11 | erikd | tv? what's that? |
| 15:08:42 | erikd | anyone know if the sharp guys are back yet? |
| 15:09:16 | kergoth | erikd: ben dropped by yesterday after getting back |
| 15:09:16 | chouimat|coffee | erikd: it's sunday, wait tomorrow |
| 15:09:20 | SimbaWork | good morning, kergoth. i'm still stuck. =( |
| 15:09:23 | kergoth | erikd: dunno about the rest |
| 15:09:32 | kergoth | SimbaWork: thats too bad. where are you stuck again? |
| 15:09:38 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: tv always sucks :-) |
| 15:09:46 | SimbaWork | i can ping the xp pc from Z but i can't ping the server. |
| 15:09:49 | erikd | kergoth: ah, think he'll be online today? |
| 15:09:59 | erikd | doesn't know if he gets online from home or not |
| 15:10:10 | kergoth | dunno. |
| 15:10:20 | erikd | i want my z =/ |
| 15:10:53 | SimbaWork | anyone in here use Z to telnet to linux server by any chance? |
| 15:11:11 | phatcat | to a linux server? |
| 15:11:16 | darienm | I use ssh |
| 15:11:19 | phatcat | i've ssh'ed |
| 15:11:23 | darienm | stopped using telnet years ago |
| 15:11:25 | SimbaWork | yeah, linux server connected to a switch. |
| 15:11:25 | kergoth | i use ssh as well |
| 15:11:32 | phatcat | hey what would be the control key on the zaurus |
| 15:11:37 | kergoth | The last time I used telnet for anything was when i wrote a telnet implementation |
| 15:11:38 | darienm | Fn+ |
| 15:11:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:11:49 | darienm | Fn+Shift+ |
| 15:11:57 | phatcat | ok cool |
| 15:12:04 | phatcat | i thought it might be that |
| 15:12:07 | ljp-- | I use two tacks, a ball peen hammer and string |
| 15:12:28 | ljp-- | takes a while to download iso's tho |
| 15:13:04 | erikd | one of the servers i admin is still using telnet but i'm not allowed to update it to ssh =/ |
| 15:13:18 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 15:13:49 | kergoth | I dont like the telnet protocol much. I've seen too many badly written implementations that you can throw into a telnet option negotiation loop |
| 15:13:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:13:53 | kergoth | brb |
| 15:14:12 | SimbaWork | damn, why can't Zaurus use DHCP? |
| 15:14:41 | Cloudchaser | for wireless/etherenet? it can |
| 15:14:48 | Cloudchaser | what rom? |
| 15:15:06 | SimbaWork | for ethernet |
| 15:15:34 | SimbaWork | my Z is connected to pc running Win XP Pro. This pc is connected to a switch which is also connected to linux server |
| 15:15:44 | SimbaWork | pc can telnet the server but Z can't telnet to server. |
| 15:15:52 | SimbaWork | and that's what i'm trying to do. |
| 15:16:12 | Cloudchaser | you have dhcp set up and are getting an address on the z? |
| 15:16:15 | SimbaWork | I'm using USB cradle |
| 15:16:29 | SimbaWork | i believe so but u can tell me how to check that. |
| 15:16:43 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you have to set up packet forwarding and/or NAT/ICS |
| 15:16:45 | Cloudchaser | if you're using the usb cradle, you are on different subnet then |
| 15:16:46 | kergoth | SimbaWork: read the howto. |
| 15:16:54 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 15:16:58 | SimbaWork | where's howto? |
| 15:17:01 | | i think howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 15:17:01 | kergoth | ibot: howtos |
| 15:17:02 | | somebody said howto was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 15:17:02 | Cloudchaser | ibot howto |
| 15:17:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:17:10 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 15:17:18 | SimbaWork | dead link |
| 15:17:25 | kergoth | SimbaWork: wait till it comes back up |
| 15:17:27 | Cloudchaser | oh i think zz is down |
| 15:17:31 | SimbaWork | damn |
| 15:17:54 | SimbaWork | kergoth, by the way, i setup ICS in WinXP |
| 15:17:57 | Cloudchaser | if you use ethernet card or wireless card, you have to add a network connection |
| 15:18:04 | SimbaWork | i'm using neither |
| 15:18:12 | SimbaWork | my Z is using USB cradle. |
| 15:18:21 | Cloudchaser | you're using usb so i believe you need to set some routes |
| 15:18:25 | SimbaWork | my Z can't even go on the internet when my pc can. |
| 15:18:25 | kergoth | SimbaWork: did you add a default route on the Z? |
| 15:18:28 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 15:18:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:18:31 | Cloudchaser | and do you have a router? |
| 15:18:48 | SimbaWork | yes, i have a router but for now, i dont' care about internet connection. just want it to access the server. |
| 15:18:49 | ljp-- | try a telsa coil |
| 15:18:50 | Cloudchaser | or something that can route for you to your subnet |
| 15:18:59 | ljp-- | err tesla.. not telsa |
| 15:19:05 | kergoth | SimbaWork: add the default route on the Z |
| 15:19:08 | ljp-- | she doesnt have coils |
| 15:19:12 | Cloudchaser | usb uses subnet 192.168.129.x |
| 15:19:15 | SimbaWork | kergoth, how do i do that? |
| 15:19:15 | kergoth | SimbaWork: without that, it wont know how to get to anything otther than the usb networking subnet |
| 15:19:22 | Cloudchaser | what subnet is your network using? |
| 15:19:37 | kergoth | SimbaWork: 'route add default gw [ip of usb interface of xp box]' at a prompt |
| 15:19:41 | SimbaWork | all the ip in my LAN starts with 128.223.*.* |
| 15:20:02 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: he's using internet connection sharing, xp will do the ip masquerading adn forwarding between subnets for him |
| 15:20:07 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 15:20:08 | kergoth | SimbaWork: just add the default route and you should be fine |
| 15:20:10 | Cloudchaser | i wans't sure |
| 15:20:16 | Cloudchaser | i don't use that |
| 15:21:50 | SimbaWork | kergoth, i think i've done that so i can ping the pc using Z. but i can't ping the server on LAN |
| 15:22:01 | SimbaWork | i did this. |
| 15:22:20 | SimbaWork | route add -net 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:22:52 | Cloudchaser | what's 192.168.0.1? |
| 15:23:01 | SimbaWork | Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: |
| 15:23:01 | SimbaWork | Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : |
| 15:23:01 | SimbaWork | IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:23:01 | SimbaWork | Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:23:01 | SimbaWork | Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.223.3.3 |
| 15:23:15 | SimbaWork | LAC2 is the connection for Z to XP. |
| 15:23:44 | SimbaWork | on z > network & sync > sync, the ip address is 192.168.0.200 |
| 15:24:03 | Cloudchaser | its 192.168.129.200 |
| 15:24:08 | SimbaWork | i changed it. |
| 15:24:19 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 15:24:24 | prodigy007 | heya |
| 15:24:34 | SimbaWork | i can change it 129 if necessary but i don't think that'll make any diff. |
| 15:24:42 | Cloudchaser | and you have SL adapter on your xp box set to 192.168.0.X? |
| 15:25:06 | Cloudchaser | if you're using sharp rom, the z gives 192.168.129.201 to that i believe |
| 15:25:24 | SimbaWork | cloud, right but i changed that ip when i was getting help from other guy on friday. |
| 15:25:31 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 15:25:36 | SimbaWork | USB IP Address - 192.168.0.200 |
| 15:25:48 | Cloudchaser | which sharp rom are you using? |
| 15:25:50 | SimbaWork | Intellisync IP - 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:26:16 | SimbaWork | 2.12 |
| 15:26:24 | ljp-- | did you check the gyroscope? |
| 15:26:40 | Cloudchaser | intellisync has its own address? |
| 15:26:44 | Cloudchaser | is confused |
| 15:26:57 | SimbaWork | let me clear it up |
| 15:27:12 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: no, the usb interface has an ip, he just set intellisync to match, as it wants to know the configuration |
| 15:27:14 | kergoth | eh? |
| 15:27:20 | XavierXeon | ljp--: are you a bit technical today ? |
| 15:27:20 | SimbaWork | default IP on Z are 192.168.129.* |
| 15:27:23 | SimbaWork | right? |
| 15:27:30 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 15:27:33 | ljp-- | I'm being a smart ass today |
| 15:27:37 | SimbaWork | i just changed that to 192.168.0.* |
| 15:27:53 | kergoth | ljp--: just today? |
| 15:27:55 | kergoth | ljp--: heh |
| 15:27:56 | prodigy007 | Because I want to wardrive with my Sl-5500, Kergoth yesterday told me: "<kergoth> prodigy007: you want wcf12, the wcf11 is a different chipset i believe, and blocks the stylus and headphone ports, and is larger", by the wcf12 he means the syslink wcf12 cf-wifi card from buy.com, but the problem is that the wcf12 isn't listed at the known supported cards section at http://www.kismetwireless.net/capture.shtml. Does anyone know if the wcf12 do |
| 15:28:06 | ljp-- | hehehe .. well, ok.. especially today |
| 15:28:17 | kergoth | prodigy007: its a prism2/2.5 card. |
| 15:28:24 | prodigy007 | which means it's compatible? |
| 15:28:27 | kergoth | prodigy007: any prism2/2.5 card will work using the pcap capture method |
| 15:28:36 | kergoth | prodigy007: once you put it in RF Monitor mode anyway |
| 15:28:40 | prodigy007 | is that the normal mode? pcap capture? |
| 15:28:46 | kergoth | prodigy007: hte netgear is also a good card, or the smc, or what have you |
| 15:28:57 | kergoth | prodigy007: there isnt a 'normal mode' .. there are a number of packet capture modes |
| 15:29:02 | prodigy007 | kergoth, do you've got the wcf12 on your zaurus? |
| 15:29:03 | kergoth | prodigy007: pcap, prism2, etc |
| 15:29:04 | Cloudchaser | ok so you have 192.168.0.200 on the z usb, 192.168.0.1 for SL adapter on xp? |
| 15:29:07 | roge99 | kergoth the linksys wcf11 dosent block the headphones port and only slightly blocks the sytlus |
| 15:29:11 | ljp-- | replace the dilithium crystals before attempting any war driving |
| 15:29:13 | kergoth | prodigy007: no, i only have the dlink |
| 15:29:20 | kergoth | roge99: ah, thanks for the correction :) |
| 15:29:24 | roge99 | and it can be modified |
| 15:29:33 | roge99 | so the stylus fits |
| 15:29:36 | SimbaWork | cloudmaster, yes |
| 15:29:37 | prodigy007 | so, the wcf12 really is working under kismet? |
| 15:29:38 | kergoth | even so, he should go with a prism2.5 card, imho |
| 15:29:51 | kergoth | prodigy007: I dont have one, but it should work flawless |
| 15:29:57 | roge99 | oh i wouldnt argue that fact |
| 15:30:04 | kergoth | prodigy007: so would the smc, netgear, or any number of other prism2 or prism2.5 cards |
| 15:30:05 | prodigy007 | the problem is that I buy one from the usa though i live in holland, so I can't return it. |
| 15:30:06 | Cloudchaser | ok so on z you need route to xp and internet sharing |
| 15:30:17 | SimbaWork | cloudchaser, how do i do that? |
| 15:30:24 | Cloudchaser | xp does natting for internet access |
| 15:30:27 | prodigy007 | ok, then I just hope it works.. thanks for the help |
| 15:30:32 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you enabled ICS? |
| 15:30:37 | SimbaWork | yeah |
| 15:30:42 | kergoth | SimbaWork: and added the default route on th eZ? |
| 15:30:45 | kergoth | SimbaWork: can you ping the server? |
| 15:30:52 | kergoth | SimbaWork: (stick to simple tests instead of telnet) |
| 15:30:54 | SimbaWork | i can ping xp machine from Z but nto the server |
| 15:31:07 | kergoth | SimbaWork: run 'route -n' on the Z |
| 15:31:11 | kergoth | SimbaWork: paste it in here |
| 15:31:29 | XavierXeon | has the standard sharp rom traceroute ? |
| 15:31:38 | SimbaWork | ok, let me type'em up |
| 15:31:40 | kergoth | XavierXeon: good question, i was wondering that myself |
| 15:32:03 | darienm | XavierXeon: Sharp ROM has --NO-- traceroute by default |
| 15:32:21 | XavierXeon | does not have standard sharp rom |
| 15:32:22 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:33:44 | SimbaWork | Kernel IP routing table |
| 15:33:44 | SimbaWork | DestinationGatewayGenmaskFlagsMetricRefUseIface |
| 15:33:44 | SimbaWork | 192.168.0.00.0.0.0255.255.255.0U000usbd0 |
| 15:33:44 | SimbaWork | 0.0.0.0192.168.0.10.0.0.0UG000usbd0 |
| 15:33:50 | SimbaWork | damn! |
| 15:33:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:34:24 | SimbaWork | let me do that again |
| 15:35:09 | SimbaWork | Kernel IP routing table |
| 15:35:10 | SimbaWork | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 15:35:10 | SimbaWork | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 15:35:10 | SimbaWork | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 15:35:46 | kergoth | SimbaWork: I dont know if it'd affect anything, bu thtat metric is wrong |
| 15:35:53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth Wembly had this idea.. he said either patch the kernel or do some prealoaded library that uses open() in libc6 to have like a virtual filesystem where either the kernel or that library handles all the accessing offiles on the sd and cf... you do /usr/bin but it checks /usr/bin /mnt/card/usr/bin /mnt/cf/usr/bin and /mnt/ram/usr/bin .. |
| 15:36:00 | TheMasterMind1 | you think that's possible/easy to implement? |
| 15:36:00 | kergoth | SimbaWork: the metric on the default route should be '1', not '0' |
| 15:36:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: unionfs will give us that |
| 15:36:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its already coming.. |
| 15:36:18 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
| 15:36:20 | SimbaWork | kergoth, um i typed whatever that i saw on my Z |
| 15:36:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: al viro is the guy for that, but who knows when |
| 15:36:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i've been waiting for it anxiously |
| 15:36:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:36:33 | kergoth | SimbaWork: i believe you, that means the route is wrong |
| 15:36:33 | TheMasterMind1 | al viro? |
| 15:36:35 | kergoth | SimbaWork: route del default |
| 15:36:42 | TheMasterMind1 | this in 2.4.6 or .19? |
| 15:36:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: one of the filesystem guys .. kernel ev |
| 15:36:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: neither |
| 15:36:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: upcoming functionality in 2.5.x |
| 15:36:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but mayb eit could be backported |
| 15:37:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm not going to work on it and end up reinventing the wheel, i'll let him do it |
| 15:37:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: besides, i dont know much about the VFS in linux |
| 15:37:36 | phatcat | are the opieapps saving docs on jffs or elsewhere? |
| 15:37:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm |
| 15:37:52 | kergoth | phatcat: in OZ? jffs2, in /root/Settings and /root/Applications, and /root/Documents |
| 15:38:00 | TheMasterMind1 | so that's not going ot be around for a while |
| 15:38:02 | kergoth | phatcat: feel free to symlink them to your ramdisk, cf, or sd if you like |
| 15:38:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth alright then.. we should just use symlinks for now? |
| 15:38:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its in the beta phase, according to the 2.5 status document |
| 15:38:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 15:38:17 | TheMasterMind1 | i was running some testing |
| 15:38:21 | SimbaWork | After route del default, below is the resul.t |
| 15:38:22 | SimbaWork | Kernel IP routing table |
| 15:38:22 | SimbaWork | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 15:38:22 | SimbaWork | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usbd0 |
| 15:38:25 | TheMasterMind1 | and i commented out the rm and rmdir |
| 15:38:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: which is why we do it the way we do,. i'm waiting patiently for unionfs to solve our problem |
| 15:38:37 | TheMasterMind1 | the majority of time is spent looping through files |
| 15:38:38 | Cloudchaser | internet connection sharing will route between lan subnets? |
| 15:38:43 | TheMasterMind1 | you think it'd be much faster in c? |
| 15:38:44 | phatcat | how? do i just move them |
| 15:38:58 | Cloudchaser | i know it nats for internet |
| 15:39:18 | kergoth | SimbaWork: good, now route add default gw 192.168.0.1 metric 1 |
| 15:39:20 | XavierXeon | phatcat: yes, move the folders and link them back to the original locations |
| 15:39:29 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX sup |
| 15:39:46 | kergoth | SimbaWork: oh, you misconfigured ICS |
| 15:39:52 | SimbaWork | kergoth, no |
| 15:39:55 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thanks for bringing it up, i wouldnt have noticed. |
| 15:40:09 | phatcat | XavierXeon: how? make a file? all my tries with this and konqueror have failed |
| 15:40:17 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: hi |
| 15:40:30 | kergoth | SimbaWork: yes, you did. its NAT'ing in the wrong direction. you can probably ping hte Z from your server, but never from the Z to the server |
| 15:40:30 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX whats new |
| 15:40:31 | SimbaWork | shoot, ICS wasn't on on LAN connection 2 |
| 15:40:35 | kergoth | SimbaWork: yep |
| 15:40:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth faster in c or not? |
| 15:40:40 | XavierXeon | phatcat: do you want to move a file or a whole dir ? |
| 15:40:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hard to say, its the nature of the beast |
| 15:41:02 | phatcat | well first i want konqueror installed to SD and actually work |
| 15:41:09 | prodigy007 | Does anyone know an Internet shop where to buy an extra internal battery pack (so just like the one which comes with the zaurus) for the Zaurus SL-5500? The Internet shop should deliver at least to Canada, but at the best to Holland. |
| 15:41:10 | kergoth | phatcat: that should work fine |
| 15:41:10 | SimbaWork | do i have to enable ICS on LAN Connection 1 or 2? |
| 15:41:16 | kergoth | phatcat: i've installed it no problem |
| 15:41:23 | phatcat | it won't even install |
| 15:41:24 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you enable it on the inteface you want the Z to access |
| 15:41:29 | phatcat | i get a Panik! |
| 15:41:31 | kergoth | phatcat: then you didnt upgrade your ipkg form teh feed |
| 15:41:46 | phatcat | yeah i'm working on that too |
| 15:41:48 | kergoth | phatcat: or its trying to install to a cached destination. i'd need to see the actual errors, not just the panik |
| 15:41:52 | SimbaWork | kergoth, on my sys. LAN connection 1 is the NIC. LAN connection 2 is the USB cradle so which do i have to enable ICS? |
| 15:41:56 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i tried mplayer with mplayer-start and mplayer-refresh |
| 15:42:01 | kergoth | SimbaWork: 1 |
| 15:42:03 | prodigy007 | LAN connection 1 |
| 15:42:05 | kergoth | SimbaWork: and it'll change you lan |
| 15:42:09 | kergoth | SimbaWork: to 192.168.0.0/245 |
| 15:42:13 | kergoth | SimbaWork: s/245/24/ |
| 15:42:21 | kergoth | SimbaWork: if that doesnt work for you, ICS wont work for you. |
| 15:42:25 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: but mplayer doesn't get the keyboard focus |
| 15:42:27 | kergoth | SimbaWork: its limited in that way. |
| 15:42:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? |
| 15:42:42 | prodigy007 | Does anyone know an Internet shop where to buy an extra internal battery pack (so just like the one which comes with the zaurus) for the Zaurus SL-5500? The Internet shop should deliver at least to Canada, but at the best to Holland. |
| 15:42:43 | SimbaWork | ICS enabled. |
| 15:42:46 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you'll probably need to install proxy software to do this. |
| 15:42:48 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX you just have a script that calls mplayer-start; mplayerx -options; mplayer-refresh.. |
| 15:42:51 | TheMasterMind1 | look at /usr/bin/mplayer |
| 15:42:55 | TheMasterMind1 | its a script |
| 15:42:56 | kergoth | SimbaWork: okay, now your lan connection 1 is 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 15:43:03 | kergoth | SimbaWork: so you cant talk to anything on your network anymore |
| 15:43:03 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i did that |
| 15:43:08 | kergoth | SimbaWork: hhe |
| 15:43:18 | SimbaWork | i think i still can. |
| 15:43:41 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX oh, its cuz of the fullscreen thing then |
| 15:43:44 | XavierXeon | prodigy007: do you speak german ? if so try http://www.trisoft.de/zzubehr.htm |
| 15:43:47 | TheMasterMind1 | that's running so keyboard goes to that |
| 15:43:52 | TheMasterMind1 | we might have to use popen after all |
| 15:43:54 | SimbaWork | I enabled ICS, things are still running fine on the LAN |
| 15:44:42 | kergoth | SimbaWork: then you didnt enable it properly |
| 15:44:47 | kergoth | SimbaWork: er |
| 15:44:52 | kergoth | SimbaWork: wait, i'm tired, let me think |
| 15:45:01 | kergoth | SimbaWork: no, you're right. hehe |
| 15:45:09 | SimbaWork | kergoth, it seems like it's working |
| 15:45:12 | SimbaWork | let me verify |
| 15:45:15 | kergoth | SimbaWork: k |
| 15:45:18 | prodigy007 | thank you xavier, i'll try to read it |
| 15:45:19 | SimbaWork | server asked for login/pw! |
| 15:45:20 | SimbaWork | yeah! |
| 15:45:26 | kergoth | SimbaWork: :-) |
| 15:45:46 | SimbaWork | damn, the menu looks messed u |
| 15:45:48 | SimbaWork | damn, the menu looks messed up |
| 15:46:03 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i tried popen and i fputc a char in it but it doesn't seems to work |
| 15:46:42 | SimbaWork | any of you know about PROTERM? |
| 15:46:56 | kergoth | SimbaWork: does it support 'linux' terminal type? thats the default on the Z |
| 15:47:12 | kergoth | SimbaWork: if not, export TERM=[termtype] on the Z before telnetting |
| 15:47:50 | SimbaWork | how do i find out the term type on this menu screen? |
| 15:47:59 | kergoth | SimbaWork: ? |
| 15:48:00 | SimbaWork | echo $TERM? |
| 15:48:05 | SimbaWork | is that the command? |
| 15:48:05 | kergoth | SimbaWork: yeah |
| 15:48:10 | SimbaWork | VT220 |
| 15:48:24 | kergoth | SimbaWork: so log out, and on the Z export TERM=VT220 before telnetting into it |
| 15:48:43 | SimbaWork | tyep export TERM=VT220 in Z? |
| 15:48:52 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:49:30 | SimbaWork | stil not working |
| 15:49:36 | SimbaWork | i think this is the problem. |
| 15:49:50 | SimbaWork | max # of columns is 80 but i think it's less on Z |
| 15:50:16 | kergoth | SimbaWork: much less |
| 15:50:19 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: what mplayer version do you have in the z? |
| 15:50:26 | kergoth | SimbaWork: most terminal apps werent designed to run in a small screen like that |
| 15:50:31 | kergoth | SimbaWork: probably not much you can do about it |
| 15:50:41 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 15:50:41 | prpplague | ibot: zaurus battery |
| 15:50:50 | SimbaWork | i remember our tech guy mentioned something about PROTERM. |
| 15:50:54 | SimbaWork | he said there are 3 layers |
| 15:51:10 | SimbaWork | there's TERM for Unix then PROTERM for Progress database and one more. |
| 15:51:14 | SimbaWork | all 3 gotta match up or something. |
| 15:51:24 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX 0.90pre7 |
| 15:51:29 | SimbaWork | i guess they don't match up here. =( i don't know if u know what i'm referring to. |
| 15:51:38 | kergoth | SimbaWork: well, regardless of the terminal emulation on the Z, it is a small screen.. |
| 15:51:39 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX send me what you have i'll play with popen and arguement passing |
| 15:52:04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth the z has 1.2 megs of terminfo |
| 15:52:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 15:52:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ! |
| 15:52:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: (more like 5 megs in OZ) |
| 15:52:40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: actually |
| 15:52:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:52:46 | TheMasterMind1 | why don't we get rid of it? |
| 15:52:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'll split them out into a seperate ipk |
| 15:52:51 | TheMasterMind1 | only leave in the important ones |
| 15:52:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its been on my todo for a while now |
| 15:52:56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:53:00 | TheMasterMind1 | hows that makefile stuff? |
| 15:53:00 | SimbaWork | any of you know the maximum # of length & width of Zaurus telnet app? |
| 15:53:00 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 15:53:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but right now i'm making the kernel build happy in the new format |
| 15:53:14 | kergoth | SimbaWork: type 'stty -a' in the Z prompt |
| 15:53:14 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i mean you probably only need about 20 entries |
| 15:53:18 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: where can i download that version? |
| 15:53:24 | kergoth | prpplague: yep. basics. vt100, linux, .. |
| 15:53:38 | kergoth | prpplague: put the rest in terminfo-a, terminfo-b, etc ipks or something |
| 15:54:07 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ its in there |
| 15:54:08 | SimbaWork | damn, how do i send PF4 command to Z? |
| 15:54:42 | kergoth | SimbaWork: PF4? |
| 15:54:56 | SimbaWork | PF4 in dumb terminal keyboard |
| 15:55:02 | kergoth | SimbaWork: no idea. |
| 15:55:06 | SimbaWork | or Ctrl-C |
| 15:55:11 | kergoth | SimbaWork: fn+c |
| 15:55:16 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 15:55:16 | prpplague | ibot: zaurus battery is http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/917634/ref%3Dbr%5Fbx%5Fc%5F2%5F0/104-2737804-0722337 |
| 15:55:23 | kergoth | SimbaWork: read the keymap doc on the developer site for key mapping info |
| 15:55:26 | SimbaWork | how do i press FN w/out taking it out of the cradle? |
| 15:55:29 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 15:55:29 | prpplague | ibot: zaurus accessories is http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/917634/ref%3Dbr%5Fbx%5Fc%5F2%5F0/104-2737804-0722337 |
| 15:55:33 | kergoth | SimbaWork: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 15:55:41 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you can hit ctrl + c in the onsscreen keyboard iirc |
| 15:55:55 | SimbaWork | ctrl-c didn't work |
| 15:56:00 | | okay, prpplague. |
| 15:56:00 | prpplague | ibot: zaurus battery is also http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Power2.asp |
| 15:56:02 | kergoth | dunno then, i dont use the sharp rom |
| 15:56:10 | SimbaWork | which rom do you use? |
| 15:56:16 | kergoth | OZ |
| 15:56:23 | SimbaWork | what's that? |
| 15:56:27 | SimbaWork | which OS does it run? |
| 15:56:27 | | openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 15:56:27 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus |
| 15:56:34 | kergoth | SimbaWork: linux, its a different linux distro for the Z |
| 15:56:36 | prpplague | prodigy007: you get that? |
| 15:56:38 | | it has been said that zaurus battery is http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/917634/ref%3Dbr%5Fbx%5Fc%5F2%5F0/104-2737804-0722337 or http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Power2.asp |
| 15:56:38 | prodigy007 | ibot zaurus battery |
| 15:56:54 | prodigy007 | yeah ibot, but they only deliver to the usa :( |
| 15:57:15 | SimbaWork | would installing this break the warranty? |
| 15:57:15 | prpplague | prodigy007: hmm, let me see i think there was another one |
| 15:57:32 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i can't resolve tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 15:57:39 | prodigy007 | 2 hour runtime with backlight isn't much :( |
| 15:59:17 | prpplague | prodigy007: http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/showcase/productdetail.asp?product_id=297003&vendor=Handhelds |
| 15:59:29 | prpplague | prodigy007: they seem to ship to ca |
| 16:00:29 | prpplague | SimbaWork: only if you tell them :) |
| 16:00:33 | prodigy007 | ah thank you plague :) |
| 16:00:48 | prpplague | prodigy007: np |
| 16:04:34 | SimbaWork | kergoth, how do i install OZ? |
| 16:06:34 | prodigy007 | btw, when I change batteries in the zaurus sl-5500, do I lose my memory then? |
| 16:06:39 | ljp | soldering iron and elbow greese ;) |
| 16:06:52 | | somebody said openzaurus was a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 16:06:52 | ljp | ibot: openzaurus |
| 16:06:57 | darienm | TeaX: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/txtodo/ |
| 16:10:17 | SimbaWork | Where can I get different telnet app for Z? |
| 16:11:00 | prodigy007 | I advise you not to use telnet but ssh, because it's *much* better secured |
| 16:11:16 | SimbaWork | i have to use telnet |
| 16:11:17 | prodigy007 | telnet sends passwords in plain/text, which means everyone can easily sniff it |
| 16:11:28 | prodigy007 | why? |
| 16:11:38 | SimbaWork | less work. =) |
| 16:11:56 | prodigy007 | ow ok, but sorry I don't even have the sl-5500 yet so i can't help you |
| 16:12:01 | prodigy007 | is about to buy one :D |
| 16:12:02 | SimbaWork | my linux server use this database called Progress and i want to do that with Zaurus. |
| 16:12:21 | prodigy007 | but.. it's so easy to install sshd under linux.. |
| 16:12:22 | SimbaWork | with everyone's help, i was able to get the connection but it looks bad on the screen. |
| 16:12:52 | Stegster | I get my SL-5500 tomorrow :) |
| 16:13:10 | phatcat | kergoth: the error i get says only have 1512 available blocks on filesystem /mnt/ram/ |
| 16:13:12 | SimbaWork | How can I make my Z to have more than 59 columns? |
| 16:13:16 | phatcat | but i'm installing to SD |
| 16:13:25 | phatcat | and that's reading from jffs |
| 16:13:41 | kergoth | phatcat: dont install it into flash then |
| 16:13:43 | kergoth | er |
| 16:13:47 | prodigy007 | I heard that some webshops are getting the sl-5500 out of their stock, is that true and if yes, why? |
| 16:13:47 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 16:13:48 | kergoth | phatcat: so you dont have enough space in ram then |
| 16:13:56 | Pvt_Joker | kergoth do you ever sleep? |
| 16:13:59 | phatcat | no i should have plenty |
| 16:14:07 | phatcat | cause nothing is installed to ram |
| 16:14:13 | phatcat | it says i have over 9000 |
| 16:14:17 | Stegster | I think because there are not enough people buying it prodigy |
| 16:14:27 | prodigy007 | why not? what's wrong with it? |
| 16:14:32 | phatcat | it wants to install to jffs first |
| 16:14:39 | SimbaWork | is there anyway i can change the desktop resolution in Z? |
| 16:14:44 | JasonNJ | prodigy: cause its not an appropriate consumer device |
| 16:14:51 | prodigy007 | but for freaks only? :) |
| 16:14:52 | JasonNJ | its an enterprise device |
| 16:14:52 | Stegster | nothing, but it's for a lot of people to complicated. |
| 16:15:23 | Stegster | it's a pda for geeks only ;) |
| 16:15:48 | kergoth | Stegster: the target market is not geeks. |
| 16:15:48 | phatcat | kegoth: any thoughts? |
| 16:15:54 | hunger | Stegster: I don't find Qtopi aharder to handle then Win CE. |
| 16:16:01 | Stegster | i was just joking kergoth |
| 16:16:03 | kergoth | phatcat: sounds like you didnt tap+hold on the package and select mtdram |
| 16:16:10 | prodigy007 | but your experiences with the sl-5500 are good? |
| 16:16:11 | JasonNJ | kergoth: In my opinion, we should have targeted enterprise from day 1 |
| 16:16:21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: oh definately. thats its strongest point, imho |
| 16:16:25 | hunger | Stegster: Of course there are fewer apps, but geeks are working to change that situation. |
| 16:16:28 | phatcat | but i want it to install to SD |
| 16:16:29 | SimbaWork | is there anyway i can change the desktop resolution in Z? |
| 16:16:32 | phatcat | that's the default |
| 16:16:54 | JasonNJ | simba: the resolution is fixed. |
| 16:16:58 | prodigy007 | btw, when I change batteries in the zaurus sl-5500, do I lose my memory then? |
| 16:17:05 | JasonNJ | prodigy: no |
| 16:17:13 | prodigy007 | good :) |
| 16:17:15 | JasonNJ | it has a backup |
| 16:17:26 | Stegster | hnger: that's true. another thing is that the zaurus is not available in a lot of countries |
| 16:17:29 | Harlekin | hi JasonNJ |
| 16:17:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:17:41 | SimbaWork | damn, it's fixed? |
| 16:17:43 | SimbaWork | argh |
| 16:18:01 | JasonNJ | why would you want to crank it down? |
| 16:18:36 | Stegster | I live in the Netherlands and I have only found one shop where I could buy it for a way too high price. Therefor I bought it in the US |
| 16:20:06 | phatcat | kergoth: i have 1512 on jffs and 6213 ram, a completely empty SD and it won't install because it says i need 1650 on /mnt/ram |
| 16:20:24 | kergoth | phatcat: what ipkg command is it running? |
| 16:20:30 | kergoth | phatcat: give it to me exactly if you can |
| 16:20:39 | hunger | prodigy007: You will loose the memory on a full reset though. |
| 16:21:03 | hunger | prodigy007: So I'd still put my homedir on the SD... It saved my data more then once allready. |
| 16:21:07 | prodigy007 | a full reset? that sets it back to the state you bought it? |
| 16:21:12 | prodigy007 | ah ok |
| 16:21:26 | hunger | prodigy007: Well, the state you flashed it to have;-) |
| 16:21:33 | prodigy007 | Stegster, I'm for the Netherlands too, which shop did you buy it? |
| 16:21:34 | phatcat | kergoth: ipkg -dest sd -force-defaults install |
| 16:21:38 | prodigy007 | ah ok |
| 16:21:41 | hunger | prodigy007: I doubt that my Z can ever get back into the state I bought it in;-) |
| 16:21:43 | kergoth | phatcat: sounds like ipkg itself is being stupid. |
| 16:21:44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how's shit going |
| 16:21:45 | kergoth | phatcat: heh |
| 16:21:54 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX still here? |
| 16:21:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good, i figured out how to improve the kernel build in the new setup, just havent finished it |
| 16:22:07 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 16:22:11 | phatcat | kergoth: heh |
| 16:22:13 | phatcat | damn |
| 16:22:24 | Stegster | I bought it at http://www.digitallyunique.com/ |
| 16:22:25 | kergoth | phatcat: you onthe latest ipkg? |
| 16:22:38 | phatcat | yeah i just updated it |
| 16:22:46 | kergoth | phatcat: grr |
| 16:23:35 | Stegster | Prodigy: only problem is that you'll have to pay import taxes. I didn't know I had to pay that :( So in total I payed 530 euros I think :S |
| 16:24:33 | kergoth | anyone here know make well? |
| 16:24:36 | kergoth | hrm |
| 16:25:24 | prpplague | kergoth: how about "shake well" as in a martine |
| 16:25:36 | prodigy007 | stegster, how much was the tax? |
| 16:25:56 | prodigy007 | and the shipping? |
| 16:26:12 | Stegster | 91,52 euro for the taxes and abot 65 dollar shipping |
| 16:26:24 | prodigy007 | omg, that's a lot! :(( |
| 16:26:55 | Stegster | I know, but at Inmac.nl it's 559 euro in total and it's not in stock. |
| 16:27:16 | prodigy007 | aha I see |
| 16:27:41 | BigBoss | you got to pay for socialism with something |
| 16:27:44 | Stegster | This is the cheapest you can get it. Except when someone in the US buys it for you and brings it over here. |
| 16:27:49 | prodigy007 | stegster, be gald you didn't buy it from inmac.nl, that was the G (German) version! |
| 16:27:57 | prodigy007 | be glad* |
| 16:28:17 | prodigy007 | which means: german keyboard lay-out (qwertz) and german software (but, that's removable) |
| 16:28:23 | kergoth | hrm, if i have an implicit rule $(stamp-%-binary): and it depends on $(kernel-config) .. how can i tell from the kernel-config target which stamp-*-binary target called me as a dependency? |
| 16:28:26 | Stegster | hehehe, I didn't know that.. fweew.. I'm really glad!! :) |
| 16:28:27 | kergoth | ideas? |
| 16:28:53 | prodigy007 | yes, I almost bought a german version as well |
| 16:29:13 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i'm back |
| 16:29:25 | Stegster | lol |
| 16:30:19 | prpplague | kergoth: isn't that $@ |
| 16:31:16 | kergoth | prpplague: nevermind, i'm implementing it in a different way |
| 16:31:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:31:51 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, ok, i'm still learn alot of the guts of make, autoconf can spoil you |
| 16:31:58 | kergoth | prpplague: indeed |
| 16:32:03 | kergoth | prpplague: make is rather limited in a lot of ways |
| 16:32:32 | prpplague | kergoth: agreed, but its a lot better than making shell scripts to do the job |
| 16:32:45 | kergoth | definately |
| 16:33:00 | prpplague | kergoth: you don't want to see some of these old xenix compil scripts |
| 16:33:01 | kergoth | how do i apply a single patch against a single file, and specify the file to apply it to? |
| 16:33:04 | kergoth | prpplague: ew |
| 16:33:05 | Stegster | prodigy: are you still going to buy it now you heard the price? |
| 16:33:08 | kergoth | prpplague: i really dont |
| 16:34:10 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX you still working on that stuff? |
| 16:34:32 | roge99 | hey kergoth ... i just re-flashed and upgraded from the feed ... seems ide-cs.o is missing ?? |
| 16:34:46 | prpplague | kergoth: IIRC its just #patch org.file diff.file |
| 16:34:53 | TheMasterMind1 | reflashed what and upgraded from which feed roge99 ? |
| 16:35:02 | TheMasterMind1 | which initrd.bin and which feed |
| 16:35:12 | kergoth | prpplague: does zcat balh | patch origfile work? |
| 16:35:29 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 16:35:30 | roge99 | lastest oz 26/6 and the std feed |
| 16:35:39 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm don't know, not tried that befor |
| 16:35:55 | prpplague | kergoth: give me a sec and i can test |
| 16:35:57 | kergoth | roge99: its the pcmcia-cs package, teh 'config' is referencing a different module name to match the naming in the new kernels |
| 16:36:16 | kergoth | roge99: which broke our handling |
| 16:36:30 | JasonNJ | man its like every week now theres something Zaurus related on slashdot |
| 16:36:31 | kergoth | roge99: i'll upload the fixed ipk in a few, the feed is basically b0rked atm |
| 16:36:39 | roge99 | lol |
| 16:36:40 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX alright. i think we should just do popen and pass all the arguments to mplayer |
| 16:36:41 | roge99 | ok |
| 16:37:07 | TheMasterMind1 | roge99 tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ grab the pcmcia from there,its fixed |
| 16:37:36 | erikd | jason: is that a bad thing? :) |
| 16:37:37 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: how we stop the video? |
| 16:37:39 | prpplague | kergoth: yep looks like it wokrs |
| 16:37:43 | kergoth | prpplague: nice, thanks |
| 16:37:50 | prpplague | kergoth: np |
| 16:38:27 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX just keyboard input.. q stops it |
| 16:39:10 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: that is what i'm doing |
| 16:39:15 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 16:39:30 | TheMasterMind1 | you got popen and argument passing working? |
| 16:39:49 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: no |
| 16:40:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 16:40:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll bbiaf |
| 16:40:13 | TheMasterMind1 | if you want me to work on it. email it to oz@themastermind1.net |
| 16:40:26 | JasonNJ | ah another dinner with the inlaws this evening. |
| 16:40:26 | TheMasterMind1 | or if it is finished |
| 16:40:37 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 16:40:39 | prpplague | TeaX: what does your popen function call look like? |
| 16:40:49 | JasonNJ | The guy who came up with putting the two most important jewish holidays back to back was nuts |
| 16:41:01 | JasonNJ | who the hell can take their inlaws for dinner two weekends in a row? |
| 16:41:19 | TeaX | prpplague: file=popen("mplayerx...","w") |
| 16:41:22 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:41:42 | JasonNJ | mu mother in laws cooking is heartburn city |
| 16:42:24 | prpplague | TeaX: is you popen excuting the program at all? |
| 16:43:01 | TeaX | prpplague: yes mplayer works |
| 16:43:23 | prpplague | TeaX: so its executing, but with out getting the args? |
| 16:44:10 | TeaX | prpplague: when i fputc('q',file) mplayer doesn't quit |
| 16:44:55 | prpplague | TeaX: ahh, ok i see what your doing now |
| 16:45:32 | TeaX | prpplague: do you know why that doesn't work? |
| 16:48:07 | akk | Is there a faq that explains the difference between different brands of MMC card? |
| 16:48:38 | akk | I keep trying different 64M cards, but either the Z doesn't see a card at all, or it corrupts the filesystem after a couple suspends then the kernel hangs trying to mount the card. |
| 16:48:55 | akk | Would ext2 work better than fat on an MMC card? |
| 16:49:24 | prpplague | TeaX: sounds like it should work, however i did a quick check of 5 different front ends for mpg123 and none of them use popen |
| 16:49:40 | hobbs | is it me, or has zauruszone.com dropped off of the face of the net? |
| 16:49:53 | akk | hobbs: Not just you, seems to be down this morning. |
| 16:49:54 | Cloudchaser | it seems to be down today |
| 16:51:33 | prpplague | TeaX: hmm, which leds me to believe that maybe there is something doesn't work well using popen as a frontend interface |
| 16:53:13 | TeaX | prpplague: i'm looking at mplayer frontend (gmplayer) |
| 16:55:02 | TrekCycling | does anyone here use tkcVideo for the Zaurus? I'm thinking of buying it, but wondering if I can record TV with Linux using WinTV or something like that. |
| 16:55:08 | TrekCycling | That's the part I'm interested in. |
| 16:55:28 | Onyx4 | why not use op2? |
| 16:55:49 | TrekCycling | op2? |
| 16:55:52 | | hmmm... op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 16:55:52 | Onyx4 | ibot: op2 |
| 16:55:57 | kergoth | damnit damnit damnit |
| 16:55:58 | Cloudchaser | i use tkc video |
| 16:55:59 | kergoth | shoots make |
| 16:56:15 | TrekCycling | okay, but that's not the part I care about. |
| 16:56:16 | TrekCycling | :-) |
| 16:56:23 | TrekCycling | the part I care about is the recording part |
| 16:56:26 | Onyx4 | you have a bttv card? |
| 16:56:29 | darktenchi | does anyone know what IP address you use to connect to the Z via FTP? |
| 16:56:33 | Cloudchaser | hehe yes i know but if you find out about the recorrding thing i'd like to know |
| 16:56:41 | TrekCycling | I don't have anything yet. That's why I'm asking. |
| 16:57:01 | TrekCycling | I'm thinking about buying WinTV. I thought there was a TV-like program running around out there somewhere. |
| 16:57:01 | Onyx4 | oh ok, just buy a wintv hauppage card (normal one, stereo, no need for theater/hdtv stuff) |
| 16:57:02 | Cloudchaser | darktenchi: It depends on how (usb/ethernet) and what your z ip address is |
| 16:57:15 | Onyx4 | and then use bttv drivers and record with mencoder or transcode |
| 16:57:28 | Cloudchaser | darktenchi: and what rom you're using |
| 16:57:29 | Onyx4 | there are other frontends for recording too |
| 16:57:38 | darktenchi | i tried connecting using the IP shown on the Z using port 4242, but it didn't do anthing |
| 16:57:45 | Cloudchaser | what rom? |
| 16:57:49 | darktenchi | i'm using the latest rom |
| 16:57:53 | Cloudchaser | 2.38? |
| 16:57:55 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: did you mess around more with knights source? |
| 16:57:57 | TrekCycling | can they record to something small enough for the Zaurus? |
| 16:58:06 | TrekCycling | Like, can they record straight to Divx or something? |
| 16:58:16 | Cloudchaser | can't ftp to the z over ethernet/wireless with 2.38, only over usb |
| 16:58:18 | Onyx4 | TrekCycling: if not you just convert it :) |
| 16:58:24 | darktenchi | yup 2.38 |
| 16:58:28 | Onyx4 | Most of them could record to divx straight |
| 16:58:37 | Cloudchaser | have to do it via usb i believe |
| 16:58:44 | darktenchi | oh |
| 16:58:53 | Cloudchaser | security *feature* |
| 16:58:58 | darktenchi | how the heck do you do that? lol |
| 16:59:02 | Cloudchaser | can do it with 2.37 |
| 16:59:23 | hobbs | oh, that reminds me of something. |
| 16:59:26 | prpplague | TeaX: is this operating under X? |
| 16:59:31 | Cloudchaser | ftp root@192.168.129.201:4242 |
| 16:59:34 | Cloudchaser | something like that |
| 16:59:44 | hobbs | does usbdnet cause intermittent panics for anyone else? |
| 16:59:51 | darktenchi | oh |
| 16:59:54 | kergoth | hobbs: yep |
| 17:00:03 | Cloudchaser | no but it doesn't work for me to transfer large files, which causes me panics |
| 17:00:15 | darktenchi | the REASON i'm trying to do this is because i'm trying to install Open Zaurus |
| 17:00:53 | kergoth | stabs make with a sharp instrument |
| 17:00:54 | TrekCycling | huh. Neither mencorder nor transcode look like video recorders. |
| 17:00:56 | hobbs | kergoth: talk about annoying. :) |
| 17:01:24 | kergoth | hobbs: indeed, someone sent me a fix for the panic, though it doesnt correct the *real* issue, it just makes it dump a warning instead of crashing the box. we still dont know whats causing it to get into that state. |
| 17:02:00 | hobbs | kergoth: hrm... could you send it my way? Anything is better than a panic. |
| 17:02:14 | kergoth | hobbs: yes, email kergoth@digitalnemesis.net about it, so i dont forget. i dont have it handy |
| 17:02:27 | prpplague | TeaX: if this is running under X, then i'd suspect you need to send the q as a raw keyboard data |
| 17:02:29 | hobbs | kergoth: no problem. thanks. :) |
| 17:02:41 | kergoth | hobbs: np |
| 17:03:55 | mjn3 | kergoth: an awk applet was added to busybox (cvs) a few minutes ago. also, Glenn added optional gnu long filename support in busybox tar |
| 17:04:03 | prpplague | TeaX: try sending an int of 24 instead of the ascii of q |
| 17:04:04 | kergoth | mjn3: nice, glad to hear it |
| 17:04:16 | kergoth | mjn3: thanks for the info. does busybox have diff yet? |
| 17:04:25 | hobbs | mjn3: whoo! I was griping about the long filename thing just earlier. |
| 17:04:31 | prpplague | mjn3: cool, i've been waiting for bb awk for a long time |
| 17:05:02 | hobbs | mjn3: since I lack CF at the moment, I set up a custom backup script to tar /home over NFS, but some filenames get too long. :) |
| 17:05:13 | mjn3 | kergoth: no. no diff applet |
| 17:06:21 | mjn3 | i don't know how well tested the awk applet is. but i tried a few simple scripts and they ran with no problems |
| 17:06:26 | prpplague | TeaX: hey, i just did a quick test app, does look like you need to send the raw keycodes |
| 17:07:02 | mjn3 | on i386, bb awk is about 17-18k. haven't built it for arm yet |
| 17:07:19 | prpplague | TeaX: use xev as your test app instead of the mplayer that way you can see what codes are being sent |
| 17:07:30 | kergoth | mjn3: okay, nice |
| 17:07:46 | TeaX | prpplague: ok i will try |
| 17:08:53 | hobbs | bb is magic. |
| 17:10:43 | prpplague | hobbs: i've been trying to convince andersee to make a multifunction app called gf, aka house_clean->gf , nympho->gf , getbeer->gf |
| 17:12:38 | kergoth | prpplague: if you have a sec, mind taking a look at a makefile that doesnt like me? |
| 17:12:41 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX what's not working? |
| 17:12:47 | kergoth | prpplague: i need another set of eyes, i cant figure it out |
| 17:13:18 | prpplague | kergoth: sure thing |
| 17:13:32 | prpplague | kergoth: you'll have to send it via email or on #flood |
| 17:13:40 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm firewall handicapped |
| 17:13:48 | | you are mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 17:13:48 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 17:14:54 | | prodigy007: huh? |
| 17:14:54 | prodigy007 | ibot: Prodigy007 |
| 17:15:11 | | prodigy007: huh? |
| 17:15:11 | prodigy007 | ibot: nevermind |
| 17:15:18 | prodigy007 | ;-) |
| 17:15:46 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 17:15:46 | prpplague | ibot: prodigy007 is a new zaurus user |
| 17:15:57 | | prodigy007 is a new zaurus user |
| 17:15:57 | prpplague | ibot: prodigy007 |
| 17:16:19 | TeaX | prpplague: my app is operating under qtopia |
| 17:16:30 | mjn3 | kergoth: with the stock sharp toolchain, bb awk is about 19k. with a gcc 3.2 native uClibc toolchain, bb awk is about 17k. busybox (cvs) with about everything built in is roughly 70k smaller when built with gcc 3.2 |
| 17:16:34 | madcat` | hey |
| 17:16:57 | kergoth | prpplague: sent. |
| 17:16:59 | madcat` | did the zaurus have any form of a headset display? |
| 17:17:03 | TeaX | prpplague: with raw key code doesn't work |
| 17:17:13 | prpplague | TeaX: ahh, i can't help ya there, you'll have to find a qtopia guru to answer whether qtopia uses the same as x |
| 17:17:13 | kergoth | mjn3: ah nice, i didnt realize 3.2 produced small binaries. |
| 17:17:22 | prpplague | TeaX: bummer |
| 17:17:28 | prpplague | kergoth: checking |
| 17:17:55 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i'm still trying to have popen to work |
| 17:18:19 | TheMasterMind1 | hm ok |
| 17:18:31 | kergoth | prpplague: I'm trying to make that makefile build more than one kernel, with a different config for each. you see the implicit rule for each kernel, but it says No rule to make target `/usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot-oz/build/zImage-40_24', needed by `kernel' |
| 17:18:33 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 17:18:36 | kergoth | prpplague: hm |
| 17:18:41 | TheMasterMind1 | what is this uclibc toolchain |
| 17:19:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: uclibc is a libc replacement, its about 1/10th the size of glibc |
| 17:19:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 17:19:25 | TheMasterMind1 | can we use it for oz? |
| 17:19:36 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i can't resolve tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 17:19:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: as an option, yes. not in the primary initrd.bin |
| 17:19:39 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 17:19:40 | TheMasterMind1 | it died |
| 17:19:44 | TheMasterMind1 | tjhsst.edu is down |
| 17:19:45 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. |
| 17:19:49 | mjn3 | kergoth: hold that.. :-( forgot to add CROSS=. sorry. gcc 3.2 saves 10k overall. |
| 17:19:54 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm mail yet |
| 17:20:00 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm no mail yet |
| 17:20:43 | kergoth | prpplague: hrm, k.. |
| 17:20:48 | kergoth | mjn3: ah, gotcha. |
| 17:21:15 | kergoth | prpplague: geh hold on |
| 17:22:36 | prpplague | ok got it |
| 17:22:43 | prpplague | checking |
| 17:22:51 | kergoth | prpplague: had my mailname sent wrong, wasnt a valid hostname |
| 17:22:56 | kergoth | prpplague: so it bounced |
| 17:22:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:24:50 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 17:27:15 | prpplague | kergoth: ok i'm not seeing a rule for $(stamp-sourcetree) |
| 17:27:25 | kergoth | prpplague: oh, dont worry about that, its in Rules.mak |
| 17:27:34 | kergoth | prpplague: i split out the common shit that all the .mk's use |
| 17:27:46 | kergoth | prpplague: so source obtain and source extract is split out |
| 17:28:05 | kergoth | prpplague: the thing is, it says there's no rule for $(BUILD_DIR)/zImage-40_24! |
| 17:28:27 | prpplague | kergoth: ok, i'll keep looking |
| 17:28:35 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:31:36 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 17:31:43 | prpplague | kergoth: found it? |
| 17:31:48 | kergoth | it was erroring wrong |
| 17:31:58 | kergoth | its prerequisize kernel-%-config was wrong |
| 17:32:33 | sig | sup fellas |
| 17:32:35 | kergoth | nice, thanks for taking a look prpplague |
| 17:34:05 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh, it has kernel-%config and it should be kernel-%-config? |
| 17:34:12 | kergoth | prpplague: yup |
| 17:34:37 | kergoth | prpplague: what a weird error resulted from that.. i mean, saying there was no rule for $(BUILD_DIR)/zImage-40_24 |
| 17:34:38 | prpplague | kergoth: i saw that but passed it right over |
| 17:34:49 | kergoth | i didnt expect it to behave that way from that typo |
| 17:34:51 | kergoth | weird. |
| 17:36:02 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, seems like it would report "no rule for kernel-40_24config" |
| 17:36:33 | hobbs | evm's appletviewer feature is far too hidden. :) |
| 17:36:37 | kergoth | prpplague: precisely. |
| 17:36:52 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll have to make a note of that one |
| 17:43:28 | hobbs | ooh... so sad. |
| 17:43:58 | hobbs | atomica is firmly attached to MSN. no way of grabbing it. :) |
| 17:44:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 17:44:51 | TheMasterMind1 | atomica? |
| 17:45:13 | hobbs | a rather fun game, from PopCap. |
| 17:45:19 | | W|GGL|T: excuse me? |
| 17:45:19 | W|GGL|T | ibot search atomica |
| 17:45:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: kernel build using new template works again |
| 17:45:26 | hobbs | http://zone.msn.com/atomica |
| 17:46:10 | W|GGL|T | ibot search google for atomica |
| 17:46:12 | | W|GGL|T: Google can't find atomica |
| 17:46:16 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 17:46:25 | hobbs | lol... and it uses a bunch of gui classes called sexy.gui.* |
| 17:47:51 | sig | ok the z is pissing me off now |
| 17:48:03 | sig | is the zauruszone.com/feed down? |
| 17:48:35 | SimbaWork | which telnet app do you guys use for Z? |
| 17:48:44 | kergoth | SimbaWork: 'telnet' |
| 17:48:46 | sig | don't use telnet |
| 17:48:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:48:48 | sig | I use ssh |
| 17:48:54 | kergoth | yeh, ssh is nifty. |
| 17:49:00 | sig | very nifty |
| 17:49:01 | sig | :) |
| 17:52:33 | kergoth | 2.4.19-rmk1 released. nifty. |
| 17:52:58 | TeaX | kergoth: where can i download that? |
| 17:53:09 | kergoth | TeaX: doesnt support the Z. |
| 17:53:16 | kergoth | TeaX: but its on ftp.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 17:53:23 | TeaX | no :(( |
| 17:53:44 | kergoth | TeaX: its on my todo to add Z support to it, if i can ever find time |
| 17:56:58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what's rmk1 ? |
| 17:57:20 | Harlekin | kergoth: cool |
| 17:57:26 | Harlekin | kergoth: so new ipaq kernel tomorrow |
| 17:57:27 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:57:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: rmk = russell king, the arm kernel maintainer |
| 17:57:58 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: rmk is russell (two l's) king |
| 17:57:58 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 17:58:00 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 17:58:28 | prpplague | kergoth: you ever met rmk? |
| 17:58:32 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:59:05 | prpplague | kergoth: fascinating man |
| 17:59:11 | kergoth | how so? |
| 17:59:52 | prpplague | kergoth: he has so many great geek stories and seems to know something about just about every aspect of linux |
| 18:02:10 | darktenchi | anyone here use Opie? |
| 18:02:33 | kergoth | of course |
| 18:02:52 | darktenchi | is it worth the effort? because i'm having problems. |
| 18:03:00 | kergoth | dont install opie on the sharp rom. |
| 18:03:07 | kergoth | just switch to OZ if you want to use opie |
| 18:03:25 | darktenchi | that's what i mean |
| 18:03:35 | darktenchi | i am having problems switching |
| 18:03:41 | kergoth | 'problems' |
| 18:03:42 | darktenchi | and i followed their directions to a T |
| 18:03:44 | kergoth | give me some information |
| 18:03:47 | darktenchi | ok |
| 18:03:55 | kergoth | and they're my directions, not 'their', so let me know how i can clarify them |
| 18:04:02 | darktenchi | LOL |
| 18:04:03 | darktenchi | ok |
| 18:04:04 | darktenchi | :-) |
| 18:04:16 | darktenchi | i downloaded the three files off of Sourceforge |
| 18:04:26 | darktenchi | put them in the root file of my CF card |
| 18:04:36 | darktenchi | excuse me, directory, not file |
| 18:05:13 | darktenchi | halted the Z, and held the C + D buttons along with the Full reset button (and my breath) |
| 18:05:18 | kergoth | there's your problem |
| 18:05:20 | darktenchi | nothing happens...... |
| 18:05:27 | kergoth | you must rename zImage-blah to zImage |
| 18:05:31 | darktenchi | i did |
| 18:05:35 | kergoth | then say so |
| 18:05:38 | darktenchi | sorry |
| 18:05:39 | kergoth | I cant help if you dont tell me what you're doing |
| 18:05:46 | kergoth | 'nothing happens' .. do the lights turn on? |
| 18:05:52 | darktenchi | yes |
| 18:05:55 | darktenchi | all the lights turn off |
| 18:05:58 | tark | can you install OZ using an SD card instead of CF? |
| 18:06:01 | kergoth | do they stay on? or shut off right away? |
| 18:06:03 | kergoth | tark: nope |
| 18:06:07 | tark | thanks |
| 18:06:08 | kergoth | np |
| 18:06:11 | darktenchi | they just shut right off |
| 18:06:30 | kergoth | darktenchi: then the files are wrong, or you need to reformat your card, or you're hitting more keys than just C+D on the keyboard |
| 18:06:47 | kergoth | darktenchi: I'd recommend a reformat of the card ify ou can manage it, preferably from a linux box or from the Z itself |
| 18:07:00 | darktenchi | ok |
| 18:07:08 | darktenchi | any particular format required? |
| 18:07:10 | kergoth | darktenchi: so backup the data on it, and do a mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 18:07:15 | kergoth | darktenchi: yep, it *must* be fat16 |
| 18:07:20 | kergoth | darktenchi: chances are its fat32 right now |
| 18:07:21 | TheMasterMind1 | oh yea.. you can't flash with ext2 |
| 18:07:23 | TheMasterMind1 | doh |
| 18:07:24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:07:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i was about to ext2 my cf |
| 18:07:42 | kergoth | go ahead, but you'll have to switch it back and forth when you need to flash |
| 18:07:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:07:57 | TheMasterMind1 | too much trouble |
| 18:11:23 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 18:11:30 | ivan | woah i never knew a channel could be this big for a pda |
| 18:11:37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:11:52 | hobbs | you're forgetting something. |
| 18:11:54 | hobbs | it's a pda that runs linux. :) |
| 18:11:59 | ivan | yeah yeah |
| 18:11:59 | prpplague | amen |
| 18:12:19 | ivan | i wanna zaurus :/ |
| 18:12:28 | TheMasterMind1 | buy one |
| 18:12:31 | ivan | yeah |
| 18:12:32 | TheMasterMind1 | Sugar poison me |
| 18:12:39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:12:47 | hobbs | then do like me and blow all your cash, and then complain about how you have no cash, instead of no zaurus. |
| 18:13:56 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:14:06 | ivan | good thing python is available for zaurus |
| 18:15:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:15:30 | prodigy007 | is gonna order the sl-5500 this week! :) |
| 18:15:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ponders the state of his life |
| 18:16:03 | ivan | The device also has captured the imagination of its users. Hardware projects such as building an external speaker for the Zaurus, have demonstrated the inventiveness of Linux users. |
| 18:16:06 | ivan | hahahahahahaha |
| 18:16:22 | ivan | http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/content/html/Zaurus/ |
| 18:17:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 18:17:39 | Pvt_Joker | why is every always one step forward and two steps back? |
| 18:17:45 | Pvt_Joker | everything* |
| 18:19:55 | Pvt_Joker | finally get my wireless workin' now i can get Jabber to work |
| 18:20:44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:20:52 | TheMasterMind1 | you probably don't have a gateway or dns set |
| 18:21:26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how goes it? |
| 18:21:35 | Pvt_Joker | i have a DNS set up......problem is is that i can't find a damn gatway IP |
| 18:21:49 | TheMasterMind1 | um... |
| 18:21:56 | TheMasterMind1 | gateway would be your router |
| 18:22:04 | TheMasterMind1 | or access point |
| 18:22:15 | TheMasterMind1 | are you doing dhcpc? |
| 18:22:16 | TheMasterMind1 | dhcp ? |
| 18:22:17 | Bovine | make sure it's _you_ access point though :) |
| 18:22:29 | Bovine | s/_you_/_your_ |
| 18:22:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ehehe |
| 18:23:09 | Pvt_Joker | whats wrong with War walking? |
| 18:23:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i like (ab)using other people's access points |
| 18:23:17 | Bovine | nothing :) |
| 18:23:28 | Bovine | I just picked up a zaurus for that purpose :) |
| 18:23:28 | TheMasterMind1 | Pvt_Joker what card did you get |
| 18:23:40 | Pvt_Joker | once i get this runnin' i'm walkin' down the block and seein' who's house i can piggy back off of |
| 18:23:42 | Bovine | and got a CFII card today, just configuring it now |
| 18:23:45 | Pvt_Joker | Dlink |
| 18:23:48 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 18:23:51 | TheMasterMind1 | the big huge one |
| 18:23:53 | Pvt_Joker | DCF-650W |
| 18:23:55 | TheMasterMind1 | that blocks all the ports |
| 18:23:56 | Bovine | Mitc here, nice and compact |
| 18:23:59 | Bovine | er |
| 18:24:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i have the socket low power |
| 18:24:05 | Bovine | Mitac even |
| 18:24:09 | TheMasterMind1 | sucks for war walking/driving |
| 18:24:10 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 18:24:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i might get the wcf12 |
| 18:24:23 | TheMasterMind1 | its nice and small |
| 18:24:31 | tark | is the wcf12 good for warwalking? |
| 18:24:31 | darktenchi_ | LOL........ now i can't format my CF card. :-) "/dev/hda1 contains a mounted filesystem." |
| 18:24:37 | TheMasterMind1 | i would think so |
| 18:24:37 | prpplague | Bovine: mitc? |
| 18:24:40 | TheMasterMind1 | its a linksys card |
| 18:24:43 | tark | ja |
| 18:24:51 | TheMasterMind1 | a low power card is stupid for warwalking |
| 18:24:56 | TheMasterMind1 | you get barely any range |
| 18:25:03 | Bovine | prpplague: Mitac |
| 18:25:06 | prpplague | Bovine: ahh |
| 18:25:15 | Bovine | mis splet |
| 18:25:17 | Bovine | :P |
| 18:25:34 | Bovine | not even sure it'll work yet... |
| 18:25:35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: kernel build is converted. |
| 18:25:47 | Bovine | supposed to be Prism2.5 |
| 18:26:07 | Bovine | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1376658169&rd=1 < that's the one |
| 18:27:28 | prpplague | Bovine: hmm are you using a mitac handheld? |
| 18:27:36 | Bovine | um, no, a Zaurus |
| 18:28:10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth cool, how many .mk's are left? and how are we just going to leave them all as -new.mk or what? |
| 18:28:17 | prpplague | Bovine: just checking |
| 18:28:25 | Bovine | k :) |
| 18:28:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nah, once i've converted enough to build a full openzaurus build, then i'll switch them back to normal naming |
| 18:28:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ones outside the normal build can be left until we need them |
| 18:29:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:29:19 | TheMasterMind1 | mkdir old/ |
| 18:30:07 | tboc | hi |
| 18:30:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 18:30:46 | Pvt_Joker | damn still nothing |
| 18:35:28 | Pvt_Joker | Master what did you mean by it blocks all the ports? |
| 18:35:56 | TheMasterMind1 | its big, it obstructs the stylus hole and the headphone jack |
| 18:36:07 | Pvt_Joker | oh ok |
| 18:36:17 | Pvt_Joker | i thought you meant like net ports |
| 18:36:23 | prpplague | Pvt_Joker: and it seems to suck the battery dry |
| 18:36:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i figure i'll have make openzaurus building again, all using the new system by the end of today. |
| 18:36:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: gonna go watch some tv. bbl |
| 18:36:54 | Bovine | eeek, trying to get my new WLAN card to work... the screen blanks out :/ |
| 18:36:55 | Pvt_Joker | prpplague: that i'm not worried about |
| 18:37:02 | hobbs | operating a radio at 2.4GHz will do that. :) |
| 18:37:16 | Pvt_Joker | WLAN cards seem to the the problem of the day in here |
| 18:37:47 | prpplague | Pvt_Joker: ya but the socketcom one lasts far longer |
| 18:39:13 | Bovine | - |
| 18:39:13 | Bovine | Miz is ~Miz@ts.cplltd.co.uk * Miz |
| 18:39:13 | Bovine | Miz on @#Satans-Army @#myhouse +#quiz.uk +#homelands +#bcy |
| 18:39:13 | Bovine | Miz using *.quakenet.org QuakeNet IRC server |
| 18:39:13 | Bovine | Miz is authed as [SA]Misery |
| 18:39:13 | Bovine | Miz End of /WHOIS list. |
| 18:39:15 | Bovine | - |
| 18:39:18 | Bovine | shit |
| 18:39:23 | Bovine | growls menacingly at Bovine! |
| 18:39:32 | Bovine | didn't mean to do that... |
| 18:40:04 | prpplague | Bovine: lol, interesting info |
| 18:42:48 | Bovine | prism2_hw_init() |
| 18:42:48 | Bovine | wlan0: hfa384x_cmd - timeout - reg=0x8888 |
| 18:42:48 | Bovine | prism2: first command failed - is the card compatible? |
| 18:42:48 | Bovine | prism2: Initialization failed |
| 18:42:50 | Bovine | :/ |
| 18:42:58 | Bovine | I'll try the wlan-ng drivers |
| 18:43:14 | Pvt_Joker | ok i got IRC to run.....still can't get Jabber or Kinkatta Lite to run |
| 18:43:19 | Bovine | though the ARM version is only v0.12 :/ |
| 18:43:37 | saurus | can i make a swap file on a sandisk? vfat |
| 18:47:23 | Pvt_Joker | crap......i need to set up a SOCKS5 proxy but the damn port numbers only go up to 99 |
| 18:49:27 | prpplague | heads home |
| 18:50:34 | Pvt_Joker | is there any other AIM prog of then Kinkatta and Jabber? |
| 18:50:41 | Pvt_Joker | other* |
| 18:53:23 | kergoth | hm, that was a good movie, never saw it before |
| 18:53:53 | Pvt_Joker | what movie? |
| 18:53:58 | mjn3 | kergoth: you asked earlier if busybox had diff. did you need it for anything in particular? i just built the old minix diff standalone. it is about 14k or so but only supports -c, -e, -C #, -b, and -r. |
| 18:55:09 | kergoth | mjn3: nothing specific, but multiple people have requested it and felt it would be useful. |
| 18:55:16 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: Buluxy Blues |
| 18:55:23 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: however its spelled |
| 18:56:29 | Pvt_Joker | great play.....say it with my ex |
| 18:56:32 | Pvt_Joker | saw* |
| 18:56:41 | W|GGL|T | bilouxi? |
| 18:57:00 | Pvt_Joker | kergoth: other then Jabber and Kinkatta is there any other AIM prog for the Z? |
| 18:57:06 | mjn3 | kergoth: i imagine many would be annoyed that it doesn't do unified diffs. also, being written for minix originally, it has some memory constraints, can truncate long lines, etc |
| 18:57:32 | kergoth | mjn3: indeed. would certainly be a starting point though. |
| 18:57:41 | kergoth | Pvt_Joker: not to my knowledge. |
| 18:59:46 | mjn3 | kergoth: i thought there might be a diff in the uclinux userland tree, but apparently not... |
| 19:04:25 | darktenchi | how long is the flash update for Opie supposed to take? |
| 19:06:04 | BigBoss | Pvt_Joker: what else are you looking for? |
| 19:06:28 | darktenchi | thsee LED lights have been on for like 20 minutes :-( |
| 19:06:52 | kergoth | darktenchi: 3 minutes max, generally. if its going for more than that you either have corrupt files or you need to reformat your CF card to fat16 |
| 19:07:10 | kergoth | darktenchi: and you're flashing the OZ rom, not opie. opie is the gui which is included in OZ, to clarify |
| 19:07:12 | darktenchi | i did reformat to Fat16 |
| 19:07:23 | darktenchi | sorry.... :-) |
| 19:07:27 | kergoth | darktenchi: then confirm the files are intact. do md5sum's if necessary |
| 19:07:42 | darktenchi | so i should reset the Z? |
| 19:07:46 | | mcdoughy_2: what? |
| 19:07:46 | mcdoughy_2 | ibot update openzaurus |
| 19:07:49 | mcdoughy_2 | doh |
| 19:07:50 | kergoth | darktenchi: not much else you can do at that point |
| 19:07:52 | | update oz is probably Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 19:07:52 | kergoth | ibot update oz |
| 19:07:53 | darktenchi | ok |
| 19:07:58 | mcdoughy_2 | kergoth: thanks |
| 19:08:00 | Speedy2 | re |
| 19:08:00 | kergoth | hey Speedy2, how goes it? |
| 19:08:02 | kergoth | mcdoughy_2: nop |
| 19:08:04 | kergoth | mcdoughy_2: np |
| 19:08:08 | Speedy2 | Hey, the battery charging almost works/done |
| 19:08:17 | Speedy2 | It charged a set of batts to completion |
| 19:08:31 | BigBoss | Speedy2: what do you know about ARM9? |
| 19:08:35 | Speedy2 | Umm |
| 19:08:41 | Speedy2 | It's like ARM7 + caches usually |
| 19:08:42 | kergoth | Speedy2: nice |
| 19:08:56 | Speedy2 | There are optional DSP instructions that some ARM9s have |
| 19:09:02 | Speedy2 | (ARM v5 ISA) |
| 19:09:41 | Speedy2 | Oh, ARM9 has Harvard busses vs. Von Neuman on most ARM7s too |
| 19:09:52 | BigBoss | is it StrongARM compatible? |
| 19:09:53 | Speedy2 | (StrongARM has Harvard though) |
| 19:09:56 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 19:10:02 | Speedy2 | StrongARM implements ARM v4 ISA |
| 19:10:11 | Speedy2 | ARM9 is ARM v5 ISA IIRC, so almost all code works |
| 19:10:14 | Speedy2 | (userland code) |
| 19:10:25 | Speedy2 | OS code won't since ARM9s have their own MMU/TLB controls, etc |
| 19:10:29 | BigBoss | ah cool - thanks |
| 19:10:36 | BigBoss | any opinion on it? |
| 19:10:41 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 19:10:48 | Speedy2 | ARM9 is a generic macrocell |
| 19:10:56 | Speedy2 | ARM sells it, and vendors can customize it |
| 19:11:24 | erikd | wishes he knew that much |
| 19:11:25 | Speedy2 | So you have to look at each vendor's implementation |
| 19:11:41 | Speedy2 | Making a judgement on ARM9 itself would be limited to the ISA |
| 19:11:46 | BigBoss | ok |
| 19:11:49 | Speedy2 | And even that can be customized |
| 19:12:04 | Speedy2 | (i.e. ARM9-E will have DSP instructions that plain vanilla ARM9 won't) |
| 19:12:28 | Speedy2 | Why, are you targetting the Agilent ARM9 processor? |
| 19:14:01 | BigBoss | talking to someone about doing work and they are using ARM9, I'm supposed to get details tomorrow, we just executed the NDA's |
| 19:14:13 | BigBoss | so other than the fact that it is ARM9, I know nothing |
| 19:14:17 | Speedy2 | I thought execution was illegal. |
| 19:14:22 | Speedy2 | Or at least immoral |
| 19:14:45 | kergoth | smartass |
| 19:14:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:14:48 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 19:17:10 | Speedy2 | Why is it so hard to find a high-side gate driver? |
| 19:18:06 | Pvt_Joker | kergoth: in Kinkatta i know i have to set up a SOCKS5 proxy but the port numbers only go up to 99 (i know SOCKS5 is port 1080)....any suggestiosn on how i can work around this? |
| 19:18:53 | prodigy007 | isn't there a config file where you can edit this manually? |
| 19:19:15 | Pvt_Joker | not that i noticed in Kinkatta |
| 19:19:24 | Pvt_Joker | let me double check though |
| 19:19:24 | prodigy007 | ow ok |
| 19:20:57 | prodigy007 | does the zaurus sl-5500 support enhanced irda so it's possible to use it as a remote control for tv in example? |
| 19:21:21 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe, but the range sucks |
| 19:21:22 | TheMasterMind1 | 1 foot |
| 19:21:24 | Pvt_Joker | i read something on the somewhere |
| 19:21:30 | prodigy007 | ah ok |
| 19:21:46 | hobbs | prodigy007: it supports lirc treating it as SIR... which is pretty horrible. :) |
| 19:22:00 | prodigy007 | yeah, 1 foot is about 40 cm? |
| 19:22:18 | hobbs | 30 |
| 19:22:37 | Stegster | hmm, that's pretty short |
| 19:22:40 | prodigy007 | wow! then you gotta stand up and walk to the tv before you can remote control it lol |
| 19:22:46 | Stegster | lol |
| 19:23:04 | madcat` | did the zaurus have some sort of headset video display? |
| 19:23:07 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 19:23:21 | madcat` | I rembember seeing an add for some handheld that did a while ago, but I have no idea what it was for |
| 19:23:37 | Speedy2 | What's wrong with SIR? |
| 19:23:53 | Pvt_Joker | ok Kinkatta does have a locked .conf file |
| 19:23:54 | madcat` | first I thought it was ibm, but they don't make anything close, I know it wasn't a palm, zaurus is the only other one I'm familer with |
| 19:23:56 | prodigy007 | where does SIR stands for? S.. I = infra R = red? |
| 19:23:58 | hobbs | Speedy2: it's not suitable for pretending to be a remote, is all. :) |
| 19:24:07 | Speedy2 | God, would you people listen? The IR RECEPTION range is limited to a 1 foot, the transmission can reach 30 ft! |
| 19:24:18 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 19:24:19 | TheMasterMind1 | really? |
| 19:24:23 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 19:24:25 | prodigy007 | huh? |
| 19:24:27 | prodigy007 | what does that mean? |
| 19:24:28 | Speedy2 | This needs to be put into an FAQ. |
| 19:24:38 | Stegster | Slow speed InfraRed |
| 19:24:39 | prodigy007 | yeah, so you can scream "rtfm!" ;) |
| 19:24:41 | hobbs | Speedy2: lirc-sir has horrible range, though. I've used it. |
| 19:24:42 | Speedy2 | It means that to recieve upto 30 feet it takes a shit load of power, which the Z cannot do |
| 19:24:46 | prodigy007 | so, good enough for remote-control? |
| 19:24:53 | prodigy007 | ow ok |
| 19:24:54 | prodigy007 | i see |
| 19:25:17 | Speedy2 | hobbs: I suspect it's not handling the IR properly, it should be putting the IR transmitter in ASKIR |
| 19:25:22 | Stegster | i'll test it anyway |
| 19:25:41 | prodigy007 | hmm.. I need a bluetooth tv ;) |
| 19:26:04 | Stegster | but all the Palms do have a long range |
| 19:26:09 | hobbs | Speedy2: maybe. I think that it's just that the serial bits just add too much noise. |
| 19:26:13 | prodigy007 | yeah, that's enhanced irda |
| 19:27:15 | hobbs | sooo close. |
| 19:27:18 | Speedy2 | No, that's bogus |
| 19:27:26 | prodigy007 | it's bogus? |
| 19:27:31 | prodigy007 | i read it on official sites.. |
| 19:27:32 | Speedy2 | "serial bits just add too much noise" |
| 19:27:35 | prodigy007 | ow ok |
| 19:27:48 | Speedy2 | Palms transmit the same range as the Z, they use the same kind of IrDA transciever |
| 19:27:54 | kergoth | what does the fact that the user space interspace is serial have to do with anything? |
| 19:27:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:27:59 | kergoth | maybe i'm missing something |
| 19:28:03 | Speedy2 | But the reception on Palms is also limited to like 2-3 fet |
| 19:28:04 | Speedy2 | feet |
| 19:28:10 | Stegster | my dad reaches about 3 meters with his palm |
| 19:28:22 | hobbs | I didn't say anything about palms. :) |
| 19:28:25 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I have no idea what mode LIRC is putting the Z's IR TX/RX unit in |
| 19:28:34 | Speedy2 | There's SIR, ASKIR, and FIR |
| 19:28:39 | Speedy2 | SA does all of them |
| 19:28:46 | Speedy2 | ASKIR is the mode you want for remote controls |
| 19:28:53 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah, gotcha. remind me to not skip that section of the sa1110 developer manual |
| 19:28:55 | kergoth | Speedy2: ;-) |
| 19:29:15 | Speedy2 | Will do. |
| 19:29:29 | Speedy2 | My f'ing HP48 can control TVs 30 feet away |
| 19:29:32 | Speedy2 | It's a calculator |
| 19:29:40 | Stegster | wow, sweet :D |
| 19:29:41 | madcat` | uhh |
| 19:29:45 | Speedy2 | The Z can too if someone knew how to right software properly. |
| 19:29:55 | Speedy2 | write |
| 19:29:57 | madcat` | I have a little device that controls my tv, its called the remote :) |
| 19:29:57 | whardier | bastards |
| 19:30:05 | whardier | I use my feet |
| 19:30:09 | whardier | or shurikens |
| 19:30:15 | kergoth | heh, hey whardier |
| 19:30:18 | whardier | hey hey |
| 19:30:24 | whardier | mr I updasted CVS something |
| 19:30:24 | prodigy007 | so the problem is the rc-software?? |
| 19:30:26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:30:32 | whardier | updated |
| 19:30:32 | madcat` | whardier: although I have to get up and adjust the antenaee a lot, then give up and just watch the only channel I can get clearly |
| 19:30:32 | whardier | woot |
| 19:30:34 | kergoth | I dont suck quite as much with throwing knives anymore! |
| 19:30:36 | Stegster | i just watch divxs, so i don't have to use the remote ;) |
| 19:30:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:30:52 | whardier | kergoth: I woupd practice more if I had a backyard |
| 19:30:55 | whardier | would |
| 19:30:56 | whardier | damnit! |
| 19:31:00 | Speedy2 | The problem is the software, LIRC |
| 19:31:07 | TheMasterMind1 | write some good software! |
| 19:31:07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:31:10 | kergoth | whardier: I emptied my garage and turned it into a training facility |
| 19:31:12 | kergoth | whardier: hehe |
| 19:31:14 | Stegster | hehe, good idea |
| 19:31:15 | hobbs | Speedy2: the lirc package for the zaurus contains only lirc-sir, which I'm pretty sure is nothing but sir. |
| 19:31:29 | kergoth | whardier: throwing knife target on one of the walls.. gym mats on the floors, punching bag. still need a weight bench though |
| 19:31:31 | whardier | kergoth: I pay too much for rent.. so I have decided to use the weight room to even out the cost |
| 19:31:37 | kergoth | whardier: good idea |
| 19:31:51 | whardier | I was down there turning in rent late as usual |
| 19:31:57 | whardier | decided to see how much I can bench |
| 19:31:59 | whardier | only 120 |
| 19:32:00 | Stegster | what about this? http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/ |
| 19:32:05 | whardier | so I need to work out more |
| 19:32:20 | kergoth | whardier: the throwing knives lang on the cement floor of the garage when it doesnt stick.. *clang* *clang* clang* *clang* .. i love annoying my neighbors |
| 19:32:25 | kergoth | s/lang/land/ |
| 19:32:34 | whardier | btw.. this is about the most pimp thing I have ever seen.. |
| 19:32:35 | whardier | http://www.antelopetech.com/ |
| 19:32:38 | whardier | ever |
| 19:32:42 | whardier | Mobile Computinc Core |
| 19:32:46 | whardier | its just.. awesome |
| 19:32:50 | whardier | I want it |
| 19:32:51 | whardier | all of it |
| 19:32:58 | madcat` | whardier: I do too, but they dont list prices yet |
| 19:33:03 | whardier | check out the accessories.. that little black box runs them all.. either as a terminal server or add on |
| 19:33:17 | hobbs | hrm. I _almost_ got atomica going on the zaurus. |
| 19:33:18 | whardier | madcat`: haha.. well.. I want.. thats all I know |
| 19:33:30 | whardier | I will contact them |
| 19:33:31 | madcat` | whardier: I know 2 things |
| 19:33:36 | kergoth | whardier: woah, thats sweet |
| 19:33:38 | madcat` | "I want" and "I can't afford it" |
| 19:33:45 | Speedy2 | Bah, they stole my idea! |
| 19:33:52 | Stegster | wow cool, i want it too |
| 19:34:12 | kergoth | Speedy2: dontcha hate that? |
| 19:34:30 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah, most certainly. |
| 19:34:34 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck! |
| 19:34:37 | TheMasterMind1 | that's fucking awesome |
| 19:34:59 | TheMasterMind1 | hobbs what's atomica? |
| 19:35:13 | Stegster | probably $10000 |
| 19:35:20 | hobbs | TheMasterMind1: weren't we already here? |
| 19:35:25 | hobbs | TheMasterMind1: a really fun java game. :) |
| 19:35:27 | TheMasterMind1 | how powerful is it |
| 19:35:28 | Stegster | it's a game masterminf |
| 19:35:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hobbs ah |
| 19:35:34 | Stegster | oops |
| 19:35:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:35:44 | madcat` | hrm |
| 19:35:45 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 18 hours, 38 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: I only have a memory [Sun Sep 15 01:57:12 2002] |
| 19:35:45 | erikd | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 19:35:46 | whardier | madcat`: I want it.. and I can sweet talk.. thats the two things I know |
| 19:35:51 | | sniper was last seen on #bzflag 2 days, 8 hours, 50 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: thx [Fri Sep 13 11:44:59 2002] |
| 19:35:51 | erikd | ibot seen sniper |
| 19:35:52 | madcat` | heh |
| 19:36:04 | whardier | its a missing link to something I am working on at the moment |
| 19:36:08 | madcat` | I can't even get the wearable stuff my company works for free :( |
| 19:36:08 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier do they give specs on the black box? |
| 19:36:17 | whardier | http://www.antelopetech.com/op.html |
| 19:36:23 | whardier | I just sent in for pricing info |
| 19:36:25 | hobbs | it's _almost_ working, but it hangs up on the "loading resources" thingy, even though it works okay on my laptop. |
| 19:36:27 | whardier | I will keep you all in the loop |
| 19:36:27 | prodigy007 | that's sweet man |
| 19:36:31 | TheMasterMind1 | nm found it |
| 19:36:31 | chouimat|lost | re |
| 19:36:40 | prodigy007 | whardier, put the prices in the ibot please |
| 19:36:43 | hobbs | (plus, evm doesn't seem to know anything about rot270, so it doesn't fit on the screen too well) |
| 19:36:46 | prodigy007 | as soon as you got them |
| 19:36:54 | whardier | prodigy007: maybe.. matters on if its NDA'd |
| 19:37:07 | madcat` | whardier: why would prices be NDAd? |
| 19:37:18 | TheMasterMind1 | if its NDAd why would they give em to you |
| 19:37:19 | Stegster | laters everybody..i'm off to bed |
| 19:37:25 | whardier | because I might get non consumer pricing |
| 19:37:29 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 19:37:30 | prodigy007 | good night |
| 19:37:33 | rikkus | whardier: that looks nice, apart from battery life |
| 19:37:33 | Stegster | thanks |
| 19:37:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: NDA is non disclosure agreement. if they make him sign it, they can give the info to him |
| 19:37:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i know what it is |
| 19:37:44 | TheMasterMind1 | but why would they do that |
| 19:37:53 | madcat` | anyone here know of any portable platform that has a (reasonably priced) headset display of some sort? |
| 19:38:03 | kergoth | madcat`: if you find one, let me know |
| 19:38:04 | Speedy2 | headset displays... |
| 19:38:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:38:10 | Speedy2 | Wearable computing, huh? |
| 19:38:13 | madcat` | yep |
| 19:38:15 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. i'll bbl |
| 19:38:17 | Speedy2 | Headset displays are tres expensive |
| 19:38:22 | whardier | TheMasterMind1: they might have a guess and not actual numbers.. and to keep my business they give me and only me the guess |
| 19:38:24 | madcat` | so far, yep :( |
| 19:39:16 | hobbs | is anyone using KOrganizer/E ? |
| 19:39:17 | whardier | the notebook shell is the amazing part |
| 19:39:22 | whardier | onb that antelope thinger |
| 19:39:25 | whardier | thats just amazing |
| 19:39:44 | prodigy007 | I'm gonna sleep now too |
| 19:39:46 | prodigy007 | good night everyone |
| 19:40:18 | whardier | so far everything ont he site is conceptual |
| 19:40:32 | whardier | I don't think they are at all ready |
| 19:41:05 | whardier | http://www.antelopetech.com/images/handh.gif <- would have reflection of screen on the table |
| 19:41:20 | whardier | the rest of the pictures are easy to find the conceptual part in |
| 19:42:25 | whardier | they should have atleast embedded a prism2/2.5/3 chip in it |
| 19:42:43 | madcat` | whardier: wlan, right? |
| 19:42:47 | whardier | yeah |
| 19:42:48 | whardier | heh |
| 19:42:49 | kergoth | damnit, there isnt enough rap on giFT |
| 19:42:56 | whardier | but the little fucker has OpenGL support |
| 19:43:01 | whardier | kergoth? |
| 19:43:02 | whardier | dude |
| 19:43:04 | whardier | quit that |
| 19:43:07 | whardier | heh |
| 19:43:09 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:43:16 | whardier | giFT is lacking today |
| 19:43:21 | whardier | 1.6TB when I was on earlier |
| 19:43:22 | kergoth | I listen to everything, geg, |
| 19:43:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:43:26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:43:32 | hobbs | kergoth: heh. |
| 19:43:33 | erikd | yeah, seems like most people on giFT aren't even sharing |
| 19:43:43 | erikd | i tried to download a few things and none connected |
| 19:43:51 | whardier | erikd: everybody is scared if the RIAA! |
| 19:43:52 | whardier | you know! |
| 19:43:56 | erikd | but 2 people got starship troopers from me last night :) |
| 19:43:56 | whardier | heh |
| 19:43:57 | hobbs | there's too much rap in the world, cause 99% of it is no good. :) |
| 19:44:01 | Speedy2 | "Our selector guide is unavailable, please use the parametric search". "Our parametric search is unavailable, please use our selector guide". I LOVE IT |
| 19:44:03 | madcat` | yep |
| 19:44:10 | kergoth | hobbs: bah |
| 19:44:12 | madcat` | if theres something the world needs less of, its rap :) |
| 19:44:15 | whardier | Speedy2 ? |
| 19:44:18 | kergoth | Speedy2: lol |
| 19:44:19 | whardier | naw |
| 19:44:25 | erikd | wait... did you say rap or crap? |
| 19:44:26 | whardier | rap will lead us all to outer space someday |
| 19:44:28 | erikd | ;) |
| 19:44:48 | kergoth | pfft. i like rap. and everything else. |
| 19:44:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:44:50 | erikd | 'course i'm sure people don't like my eurodance music |
| 19:44:58 | whardier | boogies to euro |
| 19:45:02 | whardier | well |
| 19:45:03 | whardier | I would |
| 19:45:08 | hobbs | I like just about everything but rap. |
| 19:45:09 | whardier | if I were a european hooker |
| 19:45:12 | erikd | lubs e-type |
| 19:45:32 | kergoth | hobbs: i used to be the same way |
| 19:45:39 | kergoth | hobbs: well, i started listening toe verything but rap & counter |
| 19:45:44 | kergoth | hobbs: er country |
| 19:45:49 | kergoth | hobbs: then i expanded to them too (within reason) |
| 19:46:23 | erikd | that reminds me of the family guy |
| 19:46:30 | whardier | hmm |
| 19:46:34 | whardier | wonder what is on oxygen today |
| 19:46:59 | whardier | something weird |
| 19:47:08 | kergoth | oxygen? |
| 19:47:13 | whardier | the chick channel |
| 19:47:18 | kergoth | oh |
| 19:47:20 | kergoth | that |
| 19:47:23 | whardier | looks like some Arabian film |
| 19:47:24 | kergoth | doesnt have cable or satellite atm |
| 19:47:39 | kergoth | i did just watch boluxy blues on upn though, good movie |
| 19:47:53 | kergoth | theres never shit to watch on tv anyway 99% of the time |
| 19:48:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:48:26 | whardier | this is a bad movie |
| 19:48:32 | whardier | pops in Deep Impact |
| 19:48:32 | kergoth | dont watch it |
| 19:48:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:48:44 | kergoth | i need a tv tuner card |
| 19:48:46 | whardier | heh |
| 19:48:50 | erikd | ooh |
| 19:48:50 | kergoth | or a tv in this room |
| 19:48:51 | erikd | me too |
| 19:48:54 | whardier | I have tried watching Deep Impact for the last week |
| 19:48:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:48:57 | whardier | I keep falling asleep |
| 19:49:00 | erikd | oh.. i forgot to ask |
| 19:49:08 | kergoth | erikd: ? |
| 19:49:12 | erikd | anyone know a usb CF reader that's supported well in linux? |
| 19:49:20 | whardier | err.. what is that chicks name from Drop Dead Fred? |
| 19:49:23 | kergoth | most of them work fine using the usb-storage driver |
| 19:49:30 | erikd | ok, cool |
| 19:49:31 | kergoth | i have a sandisk myself |
| 19:49:36 | hobbs | erikd: I've got one, but it's completely no-name. |
| 19:49:43 | whardier | Phoebe Cates |
| 19:49:49 | whardier | she is in this Oxygen movie |
| 19:49:55 | erikd | i'm getting a cf camera and that z so i want to be able to transfer stuff :) |
| 19:49:59 | hobbs | erikd: but yeah, the better ones are transparent-scsi over usb-storage, no problems. |
| 19:50:30 | kergoth | well, usb-storage can run into some issues of its own.. its crashed my smp box at work multipke times now |
| 19:50:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:50:33 | erikd | ok |
| 19:50:40 | erikd | anyone have the PNY one? |
| 19:50:53 | erikd | that one was cheap i saw... something like $20 |
| 19:51:34 | hobbs | mine has no name, just says "COMBO CF/SM Reader" on the package, got it for like $29 |
| 19:52:38 | erikd | where'd you get it from? |
| 19:53:11 | Bovine | gaa, not having much luck with this MiTAC CFII 802.11b card :/ |
| 19:53:21 | whardier | I so scared! |
| 19:53:38 | hobbs | erikd: Computer Renaissance (ick) |
| 19:53:50 | erikd | ah, ok |
| 19:53:58 | erikd | thanks |
| 19:54:08 | whardier | hobbs: you have one of those? |
| 19:54:24 | whardier | I thought we were the only place to have one of those suck holes. |
| 19:54:31 | hobbs | on the way out the door for vacation, and I realized that it would be nice to be able to get the pics off of the camera, since one card wasn't going to last a week. :) |
| 19:54:53 | Speedy2 | God modem is so awful |
| 19:55:41 | hobbs | I wish I had a GodModem(tm) ! |
| 19:57:30 | whardier | my jaw stopped popping recently |
| 19:57:31 | whardier | oh hpapy |
| 19:58:15 | hobbs | "oh, joy!" |
| 19:59:06 | whardier | :) |
| 20:00:15 | PsyVampyr | has anyone had problems flashing their zaurus from CF? everytime i try (OZ or the Official ROM) it fails |
| 20:00:28 | Xentac[laptop] | I've never had a problem |
| 20:00:58 | PsyVampyr | anyway to test the integrity of a CF card? |
| 20:01:00 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: format the card. mkfs.msdos -F 16 |
| 20:01:20 | Speedy2 | Wow, I think I found a good gate driver -- let's hope the charge pump has an internal clock! |
| 20:02:09 | PsyVampyr | kergoth: yea, i thought of that but i cant figure out how to do it ... i do mkfs.msdos /dev/hda1 and it says there is no such device |
| 20:02:29 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: from the Z? |
| 20:02:32 | PsyVampyr | yea |
| 20:02:38 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: then you've got problems. |
| 20:02:43 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: i'd fdisk the card |
| 20:02:46 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: fdisk /dev/hda |
| 20:02:46 | PsyVampyr | and when i type mount (with it mounted) thats what it says the device is |
| 20:02:55 | Xentac[laptop] | and the CF card is plugged in and unmounted? |
| 20:03:04 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: delete the partition (d), create a new one (n), then save (w) |
| 20:03:08 | PsyVampyr | Xentac[laptop]: yea |
| 20:03:38 | PsyVampyr | kergoth: i thought fdisk had problems making dos partitions |
| 20:03:44 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: no |
| 20:03:46 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: works fine. |
| 20:03:56 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: use 't' to set the partition type |
| 20:03:57 | PsyVampyr | ok |
| 20:06:19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:06:57 | PsyVampyr | how is the memory in OZ is divided? |
| 20:07:04 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: however you choose. |
| 20:07:09 | imm | hi |
| 20:07:14 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: download the kernel with the memory balance you prefer |
| 20:07:25 | PsyVampyr | the newest beta only has 1 config afaik |
| 20:07:33 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: no |
| 20:07:41 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: the config is in the *kernel* |
| 20:07:46 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: not the initrd.bin |
| 20:08:05 | PsyVampyr | right |
| 20:08:23 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: and there are 7 kernels to choose from, at last count |
| 20:08:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:08:40 | PsyVampyr | but 2.9.4 has all sorts of zImages 2.9.5.5 has 0 |
| 20:08:47 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: why dont people get this? |
| 20:08:51 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: its not that hard to understand |
| 20:08:57 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: the kernels didnt change from 2.9.4->2.9.5.5 |
| 20:09:02 | PsyVampyr | oic |
| 20:09:07 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: i'm not going to waste space uploading a shitload of identical kernels |
| 20:09:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:09:22 | kergoth | just use the 2.9.4 ones |
| 20:09:31 | kergoth | hm, i wonder if thats in the FAQ, probably not |
| 20:09:34 | kergoth | adds it |
| 20:09:51 | Xentac[laptop] | notes that he got it... |
| 20:10:27 | tboc | hmm, great, neocal has become |
| 20:10:29 | tboc | commercial |
| 20:10:34 | kergoth | yeah, heard. that sucks |
| 20:10:42 | tboc | hmm, not sure |
| 20:11:02 | tboc | it means that 'we' have to develop something on our own ... which will be GPL |
| 20:11:03 | PsyVampyr | just dont upgrade |
| 20:11:16 | Bovine | anyone know where I can get the latest wlan-ng drivers compiled for arm? |
| 20:11:25 | whardier | 6wow |
| 20:11:28 | whardier | pringles sure stick to cats |
| 20:11:39 | kergoth | Bovine: iirc sharp used a fairly recent build in their rom. what are you looking for? |
| 20:11:59 | Bovine | trying to get a dodgy CFII wlan card to work |
| 20:12:06 | Bovine | supposed to be Prism2.5 based |
| 20:12:10 | Bovine | but I'm not convinced |
| 20:12:14 | tboc | kergoth: i think in the long run that's better than to rely on a commercial app that's 'freeware' for some time |
| 20:12:36 | kergoth | Bovine: what rom? |
| 20:12:41 | kergoth | Bovine: what's the latest wlan-ng version? |
| 20:12:47 | whardier | host-ap kicks ass |
| 20:12:51 | Bovine | OZ, with the latest updates |
| 20:12:54 | whardier | using that on desktop with Prism 2.5 PCI card |
| 20:13:12 | Bovine | has the host-ap driver (2002-05-xx) and wlan-ng 0.12 |
| 20:13:15 | kergoth | Bovine: OZ doesnt use wlan-ng, it uses the hostap driver |
| 20:13:21 | kergoth | Bovine: why is wlan-ng installed? |
| 20:13:26 | Bovine | yeah, but I installed the wlan-ng driver |
| 20:13:31 | kergoth | Bovine: ..? |
| 20:13:45 | Bovine | in an attempt to make this card work? |
| 20:14:03 | kergoth | Bovine: is the module being loaded? |
| 20:14:07 | Bovine | yes |
| 20:14:18 | Bovine | neither can initialize the card though |
| 20:14:21 | whardier | kergoth: heh.. so you don't have a hostap_cs |
| 20:14:24 | whardier | you renamed it? |
| 20:14:37 | kergoth | whardier: yeah, followed in the footsteps of the familiar folks |
| 20:14:37 | Bovine | the hostap driver makes the screen, er, "fuzz" |
| 20:14:40 | Bovine | which isn't good |
| 20:14:47 | whardier | ? |
| 20:15:41 | kergoth | nice, i need to write a 'fortune' plugin for opie-today, to get a daily quote |
| 20:15:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:15:53 | Xentac[laptop] | kergoth: that's be sweet :) |
| 20:15:59 | Xentac[laptop] | s /that's/that'd |
| 20:16:15 | kergoth | Xentac[laptop]: harlekin just committed his new today w/ plugins to cvs :) |
| 20:16:52 | Xentac[laptop] | kergoth: cool... tell me if you're not going to do it, because I seriously will |
| 20:17:38 | cod | hi > all |
| 20:17:53 | Xentac[laptop] | hey... with hostap the Z could become an AP, no? |
| 20:17:59 | kergoth | Xentac[laptop]: if you've got time to look into it, do so, cause i've got a lot of shit to do |
| 20:18:01 | kergoth | Xentac[laptop]: yeah, it can |
| 20:18:10 | kergoth | Xentac[laptop]: use iwconfig to put it in Master mode |
| 20:18:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:18:17 | kergoth | (iirc) |
| 20:18:31 | Xentac[laptop] | to compile today I don't need more than the dev stuff for Qtopia, right? |
| 20:18:40 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 20:18:53 | kergoth | it'll probably use libopie, you should pull down opie cvs and build it |
| 20:18:57 | Xentac[laptop] | that'd be an extremely expensive AP |
| 20:19:02 | Xentac[laptop] | alrighty |
| 20:19:45 | PsyVampyr | when the readme says the package manager is buggy ... how buggy is it> |
| 20:20:10 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: well, upgrade ipkg from the feed asap after flashing and you should be okay. its usable. but upgrading is a pain in the ass |
| 20:20:14 | Xentac[laptop] | has never figured out how to get the dev tools in Gentoo... anyone have suggestions? |
| 20:20:26 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: if you try to upgrade the entire distro at once, 'ipkg upgrade' .. it'll hang |
| 20:20:36 | kergoth | PsyVampyr: beyond that, it works fine |
| 20:20:36 | Xentac[laptop] | PsyVampyr: it has intricaies (sp) but you learn to live with them... |
| 20:20:54 | PsyVampyr | ok |
| 20:21:21 | PsyVampyr | it seems to my that the "official" version isnt much better |
| 20:22:12 | kergoth | indeed |
| 20:22:30 | kergoth | there's a new gui package manager .. aqpkg, that i hear is good |
| 20:24:36 | TheMasterMind1 | wasssssssabi |
| 20:24:42 | kergoth | hm, all i have to drin kin the house is water and alcohol, and no coke to mix either |
| 20:24:49 | kergoth | bbl, need to run to the store to get some soda |
| 20:25:36 | PsyVampyr | kergoth: what kind of alcohol? |
| 20:29:15 | hobbs | I should have just gotten a palm. ;) |
| 20:29:44 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 20:29:46 | TheMasterMind1 | should have |
| 20:29:55 | hobbs | linux is nifty, but I like to actually _use_ my pda, too. And I can't find anything that comes within a mile of DateBk5, or anything to compare with ShadowPlan. :) |
| 20:29:58 | TheMasterMind1 | i sold my zaurus on ebay |
| 20:29:58 | kolla | palms are lame |
| 20:30:00 | TheMasterMind1 | and got a palm |
| 20:30:12 | PsyVampyr | the only thing keeping me from getting a pocket PC (with the Xscale 400MHz) is the built in keyboard |
| 20:30:47 | TheMasterMind1 | the only thing keeping me from getting a pocket pc IS the Xscale |
| 20:30:51 | kolla | guess I'll just get one of those epoc driven cellular phones and be over with it.. they run java stuff too now |
| 20:30:59 | PsyVampyr | TheMasterMind1: why's that? |
| 20:31:04 | | xscale is probably a buggy processor, see the errata at http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/278534.htm |
| 20:31:04 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xscale |
| 20:31:12 | hobbs | even tkcCalendar isn't that special, and you gotta pay for it. :) |
| 20:31:15 | TheMasterMind1 | its a shitty processor |
| 20:31:24 | PsyVampyr | yea? |
| 20:31:51 | PsyVampyr | well, if they debug it ide like one then :) |
| 20:31:56 | PsyVampyr | hardware mpeg4 |
| 20:33:29 | cod | what CPU has inside the new Z, the one already launched in Japan, XScale? > kergoth |
| 20:34:35 | | well, a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale or a pxa210 |
| 20:34:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot a300 |
| 20:35:17 | cod | btw, anyone got 'slaper'-ed ? |
| 20:36:38 | cod | wtf XScale sucks? at least it has a match coprocesor and at least any math intensive media decoder (Aka ogg or mp3) can run faster than using an INTEGER only apgo on the classic Z |
| 20:36:57 | kolla | match processor? :) |
| 20:37:05 | kolla | light my fire :) |
| 20:37:08 | cod | math COprocessor |
| 20:37:20 | cod | sorry |
| 20:37:24 | kolla | :) |
| 20:38:07 | cod | but could anme it match coprocessor liek the old 386sx with a math coprocessor :) |
| 20:39:30 | cod | noone got 'slaper'-ed? everyone has apache/ssl up to date? I wish I had the source code of th worm, I got only one infercted apache but got ony zero sized /tmp/.bugtrack.c files :( |
| 20:40:18 | kolla | apache needs libdb, which most people dont have :) |
| 20:43:00 | hobbs | hrm. I get a feeling that qpose is not a lot of fun without CF. |
| 20:43:18 | cod | what for > kolla ? just to start a UDP lsitener on 2002, or to build a DB of DDOS peers ? |
| 20:45:20 | kolla | cod: pardon? |
| 20:46:18 | kolla | I've given trying to build anything on the Z, everytime I update ipks the building environment is ruined.. should probably test the cramfs dev image though |
| 20:48:01 | hobbs | heh... that would be cool. qkrellm. |
| 20:51:57 | cod | it will use half of the display > hobbs :) |
| 20:53:09 | hobbs | true. |
| 20:53:24 | cod | but it will still be fun |
| 20:53:48 | hobbs | you could fit one or two meters in the taskbar. |
| 20:54:14 | hobbs | maybe rotating-display... |
| 20:54:37 | cod | the most interesting thing I wish I had on Z is GUI consoles, eventually switchable with a combination like HOME+LeftArrow or HOME_RightArrow :) |
| 20:54:59 | cod | like in a real WM :) |
| 20:58:46 | cod | btw, I remember some years ago about a prototype small radio that has one small antenna to get radio station signal and another bigger antena to grab electricity from various other radio signals. With so much WiFi around, (ofc I know it;s a silly question) but there is enough magnetic field, you even get cancer, why not build a HandHAld that power it self from other Radio Signals :) |
| 20:59:22 | hobbs | yep, I was right... qpose is no good without CF. :) |
| 20:59:26 | Bovine | I don't suppose there are any tools available to query CFII cards? Specifically to dump info about the chipset would be nice... |
| 21:00:24 | cod | ok, I've been stupid enough for one day |
| 21:00:26 | cod | gnight > all |
| 21:00:33 | hobbs | no you havnet! |
| 21:00:41 | imm | chouimat: any news ? |
| 21:03:37 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:04:45 | robmur | Hi |
| 21:05:18 | robmur | Does anyone here know if the openzaurus rom starts sshd the first time it boots? |
| 21:05:24 | kergoth | robmur: yep |
| 21:05:32 | kergoth | robmur: why? |
| 21:07:07 | robmur | I'm blind, so I can only access the zaurus over the network at the moment. I want to install openzaurus, and am wondering if I can do it without finding someone who can see. |
| 21:07:40 | kergoth | ah, I see. you should be able to, as it generates the keys and starts the daemon on first boot, but let me doublecheck before you do so. |
| 21:08:18 | robmur | thanks |
| 21:08:30 | imm | chouimat: ping |
| 21:09:28 | robmur | will the usb network device be configured with the default address? |
| 21:09:30 | Cloudchaser | can he even install oz over the network? doesn't seem so |
| 21:09:58 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ? if he has a cf reader he's fine, or he can copy it to the cf over usb networking... then flash from teh cf |
| 21:10:12 | kergoth | so as long as he has a CF card, he's fine |
| 21:10:21 | kergoth | robmur: yes, 192.168.129.201 |
| 21:10:24 | umopapisdn | stomps on his z! |
| 21:10:32 | kergoth | umopapisdn: probs? |
| 21:10:35 | Cloudchaser | yes from the cf i knew but...seems a bit risky down the like if he can't see at all |
| 21:10:43 | Cloudchaser | down the line |
| 21:10:55 | robmur | yes, I can put it on the cf with usb. |
| 21:11:27 | Cloudchaser | can you see at all robmur? |
| 21:11:35 | umopapisdn | kergoth: yeah, major... tearing my hair off... :) Can't get pipes to work properly on the zaurus... what libc is on OZ? |
| 21:11:45 | kergoth | umopapisdn: 2.2.4 |
| 21:11:55 | kergoth | umopapisdn: 2.2.5 i didnt feel was stable enough |
| 21:12:05 | umopapisdn | kergoth: is it stripped down in some way? |
| 21:12:15 | kergoth | umopapisdn: nope. stock libc |
| 21:12:29 | robmur | I can see a little bit, enough to see the leds on the Z for the flash procedure. |
| 21:12:43 | umopapisdn | sighs... |
| 21:12:53 | kergoth | umopapisdn: whats the behavior you're seeing? |
| 21:13:37 | hobbs | how do you install an app onto a qpose virtual palm? |
| 21:14:50 | umopapisdn | kergoth: I'm doing a fork that execlp "adduser", and I create two pipes, for connecting STDIN & STDOUT from it. What happens is that I can read from the child, but I can't write to it, or at least I doesn't seem to have any effect. |
| 21:14:56 | umopapisdn | s/I/it |
| 21:15:19 | kergoth | umopapisdn: hmm, teax was having troubles using popen to control mplayer's stdin and stdout.. i wonder if this is related.. |
| 21:15:46 | umopapisdn | kergoth: maybe.. but you can't do that with popen anyway. only oneway with popen. |
| 21:16:06 | kergoth | umopapisdn: ahh |
| 21:16:23 | hobbs | there's a popen2, though, isn't there? |
| 21:16:40 | kergoth | umopapisdn: i havent tested such things .. i wonder what method the qtopia Process and kde KProcess uses for that |
| 21:16:46 | kergoth | umopapisdn: given that we know they work on OZ |
| 21:16:57 | umopapisdn | hobbs: not that i know of... in python there is, damn i would like that... but not in glibc... or if there is I totally missed it. |
| 21:18:04 | umopapisdn | kergoth: there is a "qtopia process" ? |
| 21:19:02 | umopapisdn | kergoth: qt3 has a qprocess, is it backported to qtopia? |
| 21:20:13 | darktenchi | i just wanted to drop by and say thanks for everyone's help :-) i now have a very sexy and working Open Zaurus running. thanks! |
| 21:20:20 | kergoth | umopapisdn: theres a very limited class called Process |
| 21:20:38 | kergoth | umopapisdn: opie didnt bother using it, and instead just pulled over KProcess and called it OProcess in libopie |
| 21:20:45 | hobbs | umopapisdn: okay, you're right, but you can simulate it, I think. :) |
| 21:21:01 | kergoth | darktenchi: congrats ;-) |
| 21:21:02 | whardier | anybody like soccer? |
| 21:21:32 | kergoth | whardier: no |
| 21:21:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21:37 | whardier | :( |
| 21:21:41 | whardier | so.sad |
| 21:21:43 | grapeape | whardier: watching or playing? |
| 21:21:47 | whardier | I mean playing not watching |
| 21:21:52 | grapeape | yeah, that |
| 21:21:53 | whardier | I can't stand watching most sports |
| 21:21:58 | hobbs | oh. I don't mind playing it. :) |
| 21:22:03 | umopapisdn | kergoth: hmm, can't find any info about it... (Process class). |
| 21:22:14 | kergoth | umopapisdn: qtopia is sparsely documented at best |
| 21:22:16 | kergoth | umopapisdn: heh |
| 21:22:18 | whardier | I wanna kick balls |
| 21:22:26 | kergoth | umopapisdn: qpe/process.(cpp|h) iirc |
| 21:22:37 | umopapisdn | kergoth: hehe, noticed that. Ahh, i will look there. |
| 21:22:42 | umopapisdn | thanks. |
| 21:22:43 | kergoth | umopapisdn: er, library/process.cpp in qtpoia sources, qpe/process.h in include |
| 21:22:46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:22:49 | kergoth | np |
| 21:22:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:23:03 | Cloudchaser | i'm looking at some e-books for sale, that will only play on secure readers |
| 21:23:13 | whardier | ? |
| 21:23:25 | whardier | Cloudchaser makes a weird consumer |
| 21:23:29 | Cloudchaser | is that something that could be done on the z? even if commercial |
| 21:23:35 | Cloudchaser | why whardier? |
| 21:23:44 | whardier | nevermind |
| 21:23:46 | whardier | I read that wrong |
| 21:23:57 | whardier | i'm looking for some e-books for sale, that will only play on secure readers |
| 21:24:06 | Cloudchaser | hehe no |
| 21:24:14 | Cloudchaser | i want to buy some for the z |
| 21:24:23 | Cloudchaser | but there's no readers that will work with them |
| 21:24:43 | whardier | AFAIAC E-books could be pulled off pretty easily.. as .txt |
| 21:24:43 | whardier | heh |
| 21:24:54 | Cloudchaser | well these are encoded i think |
| 21:25:08 | hobbs | what format? |
| 21:25:15 | Cloudchaser | i was at qtreader's site and he said that they can't be read with qt |
| 21:25:48 | Cloudchaser | secure mobipocket, secure MS Reader or secure palm reader |
| 21:25:56 | Pentad | I'm almost down with my cross-compiler setup but I have a question on X, anybody got a sec? |
| 21:26:15 | whardier | wonders why it has to be secure? |
| 21:26:19 | whardier | or what is secure about it |
| 21:26:33 | Cloudchaser | i would guess trying to protect copyrights |
| 21:26:47 | Cloudchaser | to prevent copying/distribution |
| 21:26:51 | whardier | wonders what the protection is |
| 21:26:57 | Pentad | Is there anything better than this: http://www.handhelds.org/minihowto/building-x.html Ack! |
| 21:27:10 | Cloudchaser | that i don't know whardier |
| 21:27:22 | Cloudchaser | i dont' have a secure reader so i haven't bought any |
| 21:27:28 | whardier | X is not a pinnacle of ease to make.. or time |
| 21:27:35 | whardier | Cloudchaser :) |
| 21:27:47 | Pentad | I think you wrote my epitat |
| 21:27:51 | Pentad | :-) |
| 21:27:59 | whardier | I have to wonder what exactly protects disconnected devices from being able to read a cloned file |
| 21:28:00 | Cloudchaser | but there's several books i would like to have in electronic format |
| 21:28:08 | whardier | Pentad :) |
| 21:28:31 | hobbs | Cloudchaser: have you checked news://alt.binaries.e-books and similar yet? :) |
| 21:29:00 | Cloudchaser | no...what would that do? |
| 21:29:13 | hobbs | get you some books. |
| 21:29:27 | Cloudchaser | i have no reader to read them on |
| 21:29:28 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: likely pirated, if they arent in the public domain |
| 21:29:34 | Cloudchaser | and i don't want pirated books |
| 21:29:35 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: (the ones in that newsgroup i mean) |
| 21:30:11 | Cloudchaser | my dad was a writer and we own alot of copyrights...i have no issues with buying the books |
| 21:30:12 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 21:30:22 | kergoth | roge99: not too bad, yourselF? |
| 21:30:23 | Cloudchaser | i just have no way to read them :) |
| 21:30:23 | hobbs | Cloudchaser: you could always pay for them in a lousy format, and then find them available in a real format. |
| 21:30:25 | roge99 | kergoth did you ever streightn out pcmcia |
| 21:30:30 | roge99 | :) |
| 21:30:36 | kergoth | roge99: its fixed, but not in the official feed yet |
| 21:30:40 | kergoth | roge99: the feed is all b0rked |
| 21:30:47 | roge99 | yea ... i noticed |
| 21:30:59 | roge99 | so when will it be in the feed ? |
| 21:31:17 | kergoth | soon, i'm revamping things in the buildroot to more easily facilitate automating the process |
| 21:31:39 | roge99 | does the pcmcia package have the kernel modules in it as well |
| 21:31:42 | hobbs | sings the "copyright is a lie" song. :) |
| 21:31:47 | kergoth | roge99: nope, thats in kernel-modules |
| 21:32:01 | Cloudchaser | why is that hobbs? |
| 21:32:12 | roge99 | what module is needed for the cf memory cards |
| 21:32:16 | Pentad | As a film maker, I quite like copyrights. :-) |
| 21:32:31 | kergoth | roge99: ide_cs, but its not a module atm, its compiled in monolithically (iirc) |
| 21:32:34 | Cloudchaser | you think that the people who write materials should not own the rights to them? |
| 21:32:42 | roge99 | ahh |
| 21:32:49 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: hobbbs quit |
| 21:32:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:32:53 | Cloudchaser | oh hehe |
| 21:32:56 | Cloudchaser | thanks kergoth |
| 21:32:59 | kergoth | np |
| 21:34:35 | whardier | anybody have a picture of a side profile of a desert eagle .50 ? |
| 21:35:58 | imm | chouimat: ping -f |
| 21:36:03 | whardier | Heh! |
| 21:36:23 | whardier | is that like paging somebody with your number - 911 |
| 21:36:57 | imm | -f --force |
| 21:37:17 | imm | chouimat: ping --brute-force |
| 21:37:25 | whardier | do I want to know? |
| 21:40:21 | kergoth | shit, the new buildroot-oz template results in a completely rebuild of a package if you delete the source tarball |
| 21:40:23 | kergoth | oops |
| 21:40:35 | kergoth | remind me never to use a source filename in a makefile target |
| 21:41:11 | Xentac | kergoth: never use a source filename in a makefile target |
| 21:41:26 | kergoth | Xentac: thanks ;-) |
| 21:41:33 | Xentac | that's what I'm here for |
| 21:50:51 | umopapisdn | kergoth: something is really weird on the z... I can't even write to a forked process with popen... (or atleast nothing happens when I do.) But you mentioned something about some process class in libopie aswell right? I'll have a look at that. or i'll have to patch busybox to accept non-interactive input. :)) |
| 21:58:50 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 21:59:16 | kergoth | how do I get make to depend on something without caring whether that something gets rebuilt or not? |
| 21:59:59 | Bovine | make -i ? |
| 22:00:10 | kergoth | no, not with comamndline options, but in a makefile i'm writing |
| 22:00:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00:20 | Bovine | oh |
| 22:00:33 | KeyserSoze | isn't that what depend means? to care whether it is rebuilt or not? |
| 22:00:39 | kergoth | I have a source target to download sources, and a sourcetree target to extract them, but if i make the binary target depend on them, it'll recompile every single time i run it, whether the sources exist or not |
| 22:01:03 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: well, i want it to run the commands, without depending on it |
| 22:01:24 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: or, i want to depend on the existance of a file/directory without caring about its timestamp (whether its newer than the current target) |
| 22:01:48 | KeyserSoze | oh... |
| 22:02:14 | KeyserSoze | you don't want it to recompile when your source changes? |
| 22:02:16 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: basically, i need to download and extract sources in the make process, and dont want it to recompile if i accidentally rm the tarball |
| 22:02:23 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: yeah |
| 22:02:50 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: since it'll just redownload the source if its missing, but unless the Version changes, i dont need a re-extract or recompile |
| 22:03:00 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 22:03:03 | kergoth | damn limited make |
| 22:03:28 | Xentac | kergoth: isn't that what .stamp files are for? |
| 22:03:49 | Xentac | make it depend on the .stamp file, instead of the tarball |
| 22:04:01 | kergoth | Xentac: hmm use a stamp for source download? thats fine, but then if you remove the tarball it wont auto redownload.. but i guess i can live with that |
| 22:04:02 | Xentac | then if you want to recompile the tarball, just remove the .stamp file |
| 22:04:03 | kergoth | Xentac: good call |
| 22:04:18 | Xentac | yays! he finally had a good idea! |
| 22:04:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:04:24 | kergoth | mutters |
| 22:05:18 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:05:48 | whardier | I didn't understand that |
| 22:10:39 | ivan | the zaurus doesn't have enough memory |
| 22:11:05 | whardier | gives ivan a big fat raise |
| 22:11:10 | Xentac | is away: book shopping |
| 22:18:33 | ivan | $120 for a network card? woah |
| 22:19:07 | kergoth | ivan: you can get one for cheaper than that, it depends on what you're looking for |
| 22:20:15 | ivan | too bad i don't live in downtown seattle or toronto |
| 22:20:23 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:20:27 | ivan | free internet |
| 22:20:53 | ivan | heh, wireless |
| 22:20:57 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:21:55 | umopapisdn | kergoth: Now I've even tried oprocess, it can't write either... |
| 22:22:12 | kergoth | hrm, wtf |
| 22:22:19 | kergoth | have you tried the sharp rom to check our sanity? |
| 22:23:46 | umopapisdn | nope.. I could do that I guess... Hmm, i'm not all that good with the /dev stuff.. could there be something missing there? (virtual terminals?) |
| 22:24:37 | kergoth | umopapisdn: /dev/pty should be mounted, iirc |
| 22:27:17 | umopapisdn | yep, it is. those are the devices used for that stuff? |
| 22:27:40 | kergoth | from what i understand, which is isnt much |
| 22:27:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:27:56 | kergoth | googles for bsd psuedos |
| 22:28:01 | umopapisdn | hehe, me neither. |
| 22:28:26 | umopapisdn | Hmmm, the same code that doesn't work on the z, works on my workstation... :( |
| 22:28:49 | umopapisdn | The only way I see now is to patch busybox... :) |
| 22:30:50 | kergoth | umopapisdn: hrm |
| 22:31:21 | richard_ | evening all |
| 22:31:44 | kergoth | umopapisdn: what'll patching busybox give you? |
| 22:33:23 | umopapisdn | then I can just do a system("adduser newuser -s /bin/sh -g \"Username\" -p password"); and be over with it, now it stops with a prompt that wants input. If I take away the need for it to be interactive then there is no problem. |
| 22:33:47 | kergoth | ohh it doesnt have -s, -g, and -p now? |
| 22:35:12 | umopapisdn | no -p. |
| 22:35:29 | umopapisdn | it has -s for shell, -g for gecos, and -h for homedir. |
| 22:35:29 | kergoth | ahh |
| 22:35:55 | umopapisdn | so adduser calls "passwd", with noway of stopping it. :) |
| 22:36:00 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 22:36:26 | kergoth | i was thinking of porting libkdesu to the Z, which gives one easy methods of interfacing with interactive apps like su, passwd, ssh |
| 22:36:37 | kergoth | cause i want opiesu :) |
| 22:36:51 | umopapisdn | hehe. would be nice. and actually well-needed. |
| 22:37:17 | kergoth | for what we're doing, we'll need a gui su/sudo |
| 22:37:25 | kergoth | bah, too much to do, too little time to do it in |
| 22:37:41 | ivan | why does myzaurus.com run on windows? |
| 22:37:50 | umopapisdn | If I manage to crack this problem i'll jump on that one. :) |
| 22:38:28 | kolla | ivan: why not, windows is a nice OS :) |
| 22:39:45 | ivan | uhh, no it's not |
| 22:40:23 | umopapisdn | kergoth: You have busybox in your OZ CVS right? |
| 22:40:50 | kergoth | umopapisdn: well, not persay. i have the build commands necessary to build it in oz cvs. the buildroot checks it out of cvs and builds it |
| 22:41:41 | umopapisdn | ah, ok. |
| 22:42:42 | kergoth | umopapisdn: but, you can easily add a patch to the buildroot for it to autoapply at buildtime |
| 22:42:58 | kergoth | (i.e. if you added that funcitonality, but before it makes it into busybox cvs) |
| 22:46:02 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 47 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: Most of them could record to divx straight [Sun Sep 15 17:58:28 2002] |
| 22:46:02 | kagemusha | ibot seen Onyx4 |
| 22:46:10 | | fusion94 was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 17 hours, 5 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: heh [Sat Sep 14 06:40:53 2002] |
| 22:46:10 | BigBoss | ibot seen fusion94 |
| 22:46:51 | umopapisdn | kergoth: I guess I'll try to convince the busybox guys to add the functionality. I'm gonna do a patch and mail them. |
| 22:47:51 | TheMasterMind1 | HI |
| 22:48:13 | umopapisdn | Hey ho |
| 22:48:16 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 22:48:51 | TheMasterMind1 | how goes it kergoth? |
| 22:50:00 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: i read that you sold your z on ebay |
| 22:50:07 | Cloudchaser | does that mean you no longer have a z? |
| 22:52:10 | TheMasterMind1 | no i was just kidding |
| 22:52:24 | | well, sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 22:52:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot sex |
| 22:52:33 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 23:00:52 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: You know your way around with diff? |
| 23:03:03 | umopapisdn | kergoth: Still around? |
| 23:06:21 | W|GGL|T | ibot search google for linux laptops |
| 23:06:23 | | W|GGL|T: Google can't find linux laptops |
| 23:06:39 | W|GGL|T | must not be doing it correctly |
| 23:07:04 | | W|GGL|T: i'm not following you... |
| 23:07:04 | W|GGL|T | ibot search yahoo for xscale |
| 23:09:06 | W|GGL|T | ibot search hotbot for xscale |
| 23:09:29 | W|GGL|T | hrmm...no return that time |
| 23:10:11 | SirPsycho-home | maybe it doesnt know what hotbot is |
| 23:10:35 | W|GGL|T | it does |
| 23:10:39 | W|GGL|T | google too |
| 23:10:56 | W|GGL|T | <ibot> "search google for infobot" or "search for foo" which searches "is" and "are" tables |
| 23:10:56 | W|GGL|T | <ibot> supports AltaVista Dejanews Excite Gopher HotBot Infoseek Lycos Magellan PLweb SFgate Simple Verity Google |
| 23:12:33 | kolla | why are the sharp updates for US only? |
| 23:14:32 | TheMasterMind1 | search for serial |
| 23:14:38 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search for serial |
| 23:14:42 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 23:14:57 | kolla | ? |
| 23:15:17 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search google for zaurus |
| 23:15:55 | | TheMasterMind1: Google can't find zaurus |
| 23:17:20 | kagemusha | has anyone tried opie player 2? |
| 23:17:56 | umopapisdn | Does anyone here know how to create a "patch"-file with diff? |
| 23:18:09 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn diff -uNdr file.orig file.new |
| 23:18:44 | guised | is there anyway that i can make opieplayer 2 play smoother? |
| 23:19:08 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: thanks! |
| 23:20:21 | darienm | .. ibot can't search google. |
| 23:20:31 | darienm | its not activated. |
| 23:22:27 | W|GGL|T | hotbot too? |
| 23:22:37 | W|GGL|T | ibot search altavista for zaurus |
| 23:22:47 | W|GGL|T | none of them seem to work |
| 23:22:56 | | W|GGL|T: AltaVista can't find zaurus |
| 23:23:26 | W|GGL|T | <ibot> Gopher can't find zaurus |
| 23:29:16 | darienm | No, ibot can't search any internet site except ZSI |
| 23:30:57 | W|GGL|T | so, put 'ZSI' in the search engine value? |
| 23:31:45 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 23:31:45 | W|GGL|T | ibot search ZSI for fbvncserver |
| 23:32:10 | W|GGL|T | that's something, at least |
| 23:38:10 | domeerf | im having a really hard time keeping the connection to my zaurus from my linux box over USB |
| 23:38:29 | domeerf | im using the uhci module, and usbdnet patch, and it will work for maybe 5 minutes tops |
| 23:38:43 | domeerf | before dying, and then i have to reboot zaurus. anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:43:47 | kagemusha | domeerf: I'm getting the same thing, and it sounds pretty standard from what I've heard people say |
| 23:45:20 | domeerf | kagemusha: dang. is this just because of the usbdnet driver being flaky? |
| 23:47:41 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha can you send me that jeode ipk at aman@gelbnet.com |
| 23:50:07 | Xentac | is back (gone 01:38:57) |
| 23:51:40 | Xentac | is away: book reading |
| 23:53:09 | robmur | is the flashing procedure described at http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download/readme/readme_romimage112.asp available anywhere else, because I can't get to that url just now. |
| 23:53:25 | umopapisdn | kergoth: ping! |
| 23:57:50 | Cloudchaser | robmur: flashing for oz? |
| 23:58:19 | Cloudchaser | or for sharp rom? |
| 23:58:31 | Cloudchaser | the procedure is similar but the files are different |
