| 00:08:47 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: i'm playing a movie with mplayer in fullscreen with black background |
| 00:16:47 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 00:16:47 | Ksd | ibot zsi |
| 00:24:14 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:27:40 | Onyx4 | hey hey |
| 00:27:43 | Onyx4 | someone called me :) |
| 00:28:09 | Onyx4 | kagemusha: what's up |
| 00:31:33 | burtonator | is the OZ compiled with the kernel option to bind multiple IPs to a nic? |
| 00:31:39 | erikd|sleep | hey, anyone know if the sharp guys are back from the intel thing yet? |
| 00:32:12 | erikd | burtonator: i doubt it |
| 00:33:35 | burtonator | what intel thing? |
| 00:34:01 | erikd | i think it was the intel developer conference |
| 00:34:18 | erikd | i don't remember exactly what they called it |
| 00:34:26 | erikd | i wanna find out when my Z's going to arrive =/ |
| 00:39:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm back! |
| 00:39:46 | Ksd | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:40:03 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 00:40:04 | erikd | is working on the final for statgrapher |
| 00:42:43 | TeaX | erikd: i got my zaurus a week ago |
| 00:42:50 | erikd | geh |
| 00:42:57 | erikd | when did you turn in your beta? |
| 00:44:19 | guised | sup |
| 00:44:29 | TeaX | i dont' remember |
| 00:44:53 | erikd | do you remember if it was before the due date? |
| 00:45:16 | TeaX | erikd: yes |
| 00:45:22 | erikd | ah |
| 00:45:38 | TeaX | i think a week before |
| 00:45:48 | erikd | hrm.... statgrapher was reviwed on the due date and they said the z would prolly ship that following monday |
| 00:46:08 | TeaX | erikd: where do you live? |
| 00:46:21 | erikd | wisconsin usa |
| 00:46:27 | erikd | =/ |
| 00:46:46 | TeaX | sniper sent me the z with express |
| 00:47:14 | erikd | i wish i could talk to them about it, but they're gone at that intel thing this week |
| 00:47:21 | erikd | them being the sharp guys |
| 00:47:47 | erikd | i'm leery of turning in the final |
| 00:48:00 | TeaX | i sent the final yesterday |
| 00:48:50 | erikd | statgrapher isn't ready yet =/ |
| 00:48:56 | erikd | i'm working on it now :) |
| 00:49:51 | TeaX | erikd: sniper sent the Z the 21 and the 22 or 23 it was in Rome (italy) |
| 00:51:38 | TeaX | erikd: ask sharp guys for the tracking number of your package when they are back |
| 00:54:36 | erikd | teax: yeah, i'm going to |
| 00:54:57 | erikd | so it took only a day or so to get over the ocean to you? |
| 00:55:00 | erikd | that's pretty cool :) |
| 00:55:05 | erikd | loves technology |
| 00:55:14 | TheMasterMind1 | where are the sharp guys? |
| 00:55:27 | erikd | that intel conference |
| 00:55:33 | TheMasterMind1 | ahok |
| 00:56:27 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i will send the zplayer to you tomorrow |
| 00:56:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:56:38 | TheMasterMind1 | ksd? |
| 00:56:44 | TeaX | yes |
| 00:58:13 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 00:58:30 | TheMasterMind1 | just send me the basic fullscreen and refresh stuff |
| 00:58:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i can write the rest of it |
| 01:01:42 | erikd | is there a tutorial or anything anywhere that tells how to draw to the Z's screen without having to use the GUI? like in fullscreen games |
| 01:02:07 | | somebody said howtos was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 01:02:07 | treke|home | ibot: howtos |
| 01:02:12 | treke|home | erikd: there |
| 01:02:32 | TheMasterMind1 | yea there's one in the hwotos |
| 01:02:36 | TheMasterMind1 | its by the eongames guys |
| 01:02:38 | erikd | ah, cool |
| 01:02:40 | erikd | thanks |
| 01:02:43 | treke|home | s/guys/guy :) |
| 01:02:47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:02:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 01:11:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dood |
| 01:11:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you know how we have to have the ; \ or && \ at the end of every line in the .mk's, so it all ends up on one line? |
| 01:12:10 | TheMasterMind1 | yea.. |
| 01:12:13 | TheMasterMind1 | we don't anymore ? |
| 01:12:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nope |
| 01:12:22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:12:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: rocks |
| 01:12:26 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 01:12:32 | TheMasterMind1 | perl is great |
| 01:12:35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so much cleaner looking, and less prone to failure |
| 01:12:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if you forget a ; \ it wont explode with a 'unexpected end of file' which has got to be the least useful error known to man |
| 01:12:55 | erikd | thinks php > perl |
| 01:13:02 | kergoth | erikd: depends on what you're doing |
| 01:13:11 | kergoth | erikd: I always use php for web work, this is unix scripting |
| 01:13:20 | erikd | i use php for scripting, too |
| 01:13:29 | kergoth | ah, i dont bother for that stuff |
| 01:13:30 | erikd | unix that is |
| 01:13:36 | treke|home | does also |
| 01:13:40 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i use php for scripting a lot |
| 01:13:40 | erikd | i have it doing automated db backups and stuff |
| 01:13:43 | treke|home | mainly since I barely no perl :) |
| 01:13:50 | treke|home | and dont care to learn DBI |
| 01:13:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:13:59 | kergoth | i use perl and php, i love em both |
| 01:14:01 | kergoth | they make my life easy |
| 01:14:03 | TheMasterMind1 | perl's regex capabilities are a lot more powerful though |
| 01:14:10 | kergoth | i love perl for text parsing |
| 01:14:11 | treke|home | is playing with new pear classes right now |
| 01:14:13 | TheMasterMind1 | especially for the kind of stuff this is doing |
| 01:14:57 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 01:15:30 | kergoth | roge99: pretty good, rewriting the OZ buildroot to be sane |
| 01:15:32 | kergoth | roge99: you? |
| 01:15:45 | roge99 | not to bad |
| 01:16:20 | [DrEvil] | it's insane |
| 01:16:40 | kergoth | whats insane? |
| 01:17:06 | [DrEvil] | <kergoth> roge99: pretty good, rewriting the OZ buildroot to be sane |
| 01:17:16 | kergoth | oh, the buildroot is most definately insane |
| 01:17:19 | kergoth | but it works :-) |
| 01:17:26 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 01:17:35 | [DrEvil] | you have me to blame for your troubles |
| 01:17:39 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:18:08 | [DrEvil] | you would be blissfully unaware |
| 01:18:19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:18:29 | kergoth | no, it'd still be insane |
| 01:18:38 | kergoth | cause every time i went to add a feature it was a bitch |
| 01:18:39 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 01:18:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:18:44 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 01:18:49 | kergoth | so i know its insane anyway :-) |
| 01:19:16 | [DrEvil] | I guess we'll see if all perl impmentations sane |
| 01:19:33 | kergoth | well, i'm not just rewriting hte methods in perl, I'm rewriting our makefile template too :) |
| 01:19:54 | kergoth | course theres a couple features i'm not sure how to implement when doing it this particular way |
| 01:19:56 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 01:19:56 | kergoth | hrm |
| 01:20:11 | [DrEvil] | I guess I need to paint some buttons |
| 01:20:18 | roge99 | ohh your re-writeing it in perl ? |
| 01:20:19 | [DrEvil] | looks for red paint |
| 01:20:29 | kergoth | roge99: just the scripts that obtain sources and extract sources |
| 01:20:33 | roge99 | mmmmmmm perl |
| 01:20:36 | kergoth | roge99: the rest is makefile's |
| 01:20:42 | roge99 | right |
| 01:21:13 | kergoth | ./source.pl :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs sources/dl/ module=opie,tag=HEAD,date="1 week ago"; <-sweet |
| 01:21:54 | roge99 | what arn't you sure about |
| 01:22:26 | kergoth | the capabilities of make |
| 01:22:27 | ibz | hi, trying to work out the ftp password for root...anyone know? Sharp ROM... |
| 01:22:31 | roge99 | ahhh |
| 01:22:37 | treke|home | ibz: blank |
| 01:22:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:22:56 | ibz | blank or "blank"? blank fails |
| 01:22:56 | TheMasterMind1 | that was a decent movie |
| 01:23:02 | TheMasterMind1 | its a null pass |
| 01:23:03 | treke|home | blank |
| 01:23:07 | treke|home | no password |
| 01:23:23 | ibz | treke|home: login fails |
| 01:23:55 | kergoth | ibz: try 'rootme' |
| 01:23:58 | roge99 | you must not be worthy of root |
| 01:24:02 | roge99 | :-) |
| 01:24:12 | TheMasterMind1 | find_me_a_hot_chick |
| 01:24:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good_fucking_luck |
| 01:24:36 | roge99 | lol |
| 01:24:36 | ibz | 'rootme' fails too. |
| 01:24:40 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 01:24:41 | roge99 | lol |
| 01:25:12 | treke|home | I'd settle for one who could cook |
| 01:25:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:25:26 | kergoth | we all have our priorities |
| 01:25:42 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:25:45 | erikd | ibz: maybe you need another ftp client |
| 01:25:49 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit i hate school |
| 01:25:53 | TheMasterMind1 | and i want to be able to drive! |
| 01:25:54 | erikd | some clients don't like sending blank passwords |
| 01:26:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: patience.. |
| 01:26:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:26:04 | kergoth | okay check this |
| 01:26:13 | roge99 | lol.. |
| 01:26:19 | ibz | erikd: yeah, ncftp works. thanx. |
| 01:26:19 | kergoth | anyone know how to create a makefile target that only exists if that target doesnt already exist previously? |
| 01:27:18 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 01:27:35 | erikd | ibz: np |
| 01:27:40 | TheMasterMind1 | if [ no esta existando ] |
| 01:30:32 | kergoth | anyone know how to do a $(if $(filter $(rootinstallmode),rootfs),$(shell echo hi))? |
| 01:30:34 | kergoth | that fails |
| 01:30:44 | treke|home | kergoth: not like that |
| 01:30:47 | kergoth | I must have to escape something to allow doing $(shell) from within $(if) |
| 01:30:51 | kergoth | hrm |
| 01:31:08 | kergoth | reads the make online docs |
| 01:32:29 | erikd | what language is that? it's ugly :) |
| 01:32:42 | kergoth | erikd: gnu make |
| 01:32:44 | kergoth | erikd: heh |
| 01:32:47 | erikd | ah |
| 01:32:49 | erikd | it's ugly |
| 01:32:50 | erikd | :) |
| 01:32:52 | kergoth | erikd: its not only ugly, its limited |
| 01:32:58 | erikd | yeah, that too |
| 01:33:09 | erikd | i never could figure out Makefiles |
| 01:33:19 | erikd | all i have are the basic "compile this to this binary" |
| 01:33:24 | kergoth | i know more about them than i *ever* wanted to know |
| 01:33:32 | erikd | i don't even know how the heck that ./configure stuff is done :) |
| 01:33:36 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:33:50 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 01:34:01 | [DrEvil] | why does qte always ask me to accept the license |
| 01:34:02 | kergoth | erikd: autoconf is even uglier |
| 01:34:06 | ljp | I like tmake.. it keeps me from knowing anything about makefiles ;) |
| 01:34:08 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: cause it likes you |
| 01:34:09 | TheMasterMind1 | where can i find sex? |
| 01:34:15 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yes | ./configure ;-) |
| 01:34:17 | | sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 01:34:17 | ljp | ibot: sex |
| 01:34:19 | erikd | kergoth: good, i'll stay away from it |
| 01:34:20 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: ftp.debian.org |
| 01:34:20 | erikd | :) |
| 01:34:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: in your hand? |
| 01:34:31 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 01:34:32 | kergoth | erikd: damn you for having that luxury! |
| 01:34:38 | erikd | hehe |
| 01:34:43 | erikd | damns himself |
| 01:34:46 | [DrEvil] | it slows me down when I am making openzaurus |
| 01:35:01 | ljp | sex slows you down? |
| 01:35:26 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:36:33 | ljp | ya I guess its kinda awkwards checking the monitor if make has finished.. |
| 01:37:01 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:37:03 | Cloudchaser | ljp: what did i do after make oldconfig? |
| 01:37:17 | kergoth | not to mention your girl would drag you out back and shoot you for letting hte computer interrupt |
| 01:37:19 | ljp | you still having problems with usbdnet? |
| 01:37:30 | Cloudchaser | yeah i did the whole shebang |
| 01:37:33 | ljp | make dep |
| 01:37:37 | Cloudchaser | got same errors |
| 01:37:40 | Cloudchaser | i googled |
| 01:37:48 | Cloudchaser | and it looks like i used wrong file for .config |
| 01:37:52 | Cloudchaser | when i restarted |
| 01:37:57 | Cloudchaser | i saw i have i686 |
| 01:38:03 | Cloudchaser | i used i586 |
| 01:38:13 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: what distro? |
| 01:38:16 | ljp | hmm.. well. that maynot have been the error |
| 01:38:24 | Cloudchaser | one of the causes for unresolved symbols is using wrong config for make oldconfig |
| 01:38:30 | Cloudchaser | redhat 7.3 |
| 01:38:35 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: I deal with unresolved symbols on a daily basis at work |
| 01:38:38 | Cloudchaser | i just installed kernel-source today |
| 01:38:38 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: multiple times a day |
| 01:38:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:38:42 | Cloudchaser | you do? |
| 01:38:50 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:38:51 | Cloudchaser | well insmod usdbnet fails because of it |
| 01:38:58 | kergoth | digi distributes modules seperate from the kernel source |
| 01:39:00 | kergoth | same issue |
| 01:39:12 | ljp | ya the standalone usbdnet compiles fine fo rher |
| 01:39:18 | Cloudchaser | well first ljp and i tried to do standalone |
| 01:39:23 | Cloudchaser | but it didn't work |
| 01:39:36 | Cloudchaser | it compiles but it won't depmod right? |
| 01:39:40 | kergoth | standalone will see the same issues as the patch if the source doesnt match the kernel |
| 01:39:43 | ljp | yes |
| 01:39:48 | kergoth | depmod will see the problem, so will insmod or modprobe |
| 01:39:54 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ls /boot/ |
| 01:39:58 | Cloudchaser | right so what caused it? |
| 01:39:59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: run uname -a |
| 01:40:08 | ljp | she's got 2.4.18-10 |
| 01:40:17 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: cp the appropriate config-* file from /boot to /usr/src/linux-2.4/.config; cd /usr/src/linux-2.4; make oldconfig; make dep; make modules; |
| 01:40:21 | Cloudchaser | ok one sec have to run that one up,but yes thats what i have |
| 01:40:21 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:40:33 | Cloudchaser | ah ok |
| 01:40:37 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: cp /boot/config-2.4.18-10 /usr/src/linux-2.4/.config; cd /usr/src/linux-2.4; make olconfig; make dep; make modules; |
| 01:40:41 | TheMasterMind1 | make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 01:40:43 | Cloudchaser | i didn't know where the cofig file was |
| 01:40:47 | TheMasterMind1 | loves debian |
| 01:40:57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the config that matches the running kernel always resides in /boot *just* for thigns like this |
| 01:40:58 | Cloudchaser | so i used a default one |
| 01:41:13 | Cloudchaser | so i didn't copy over it then by accident? |
| 01:41:15 | TheMasterMind1 | is there a particular reason you're recompiling ? |
| 01:41:23 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the configs for the preset redhat kernels are also in /usr/src/linux-2.4/configs/ |
| 01:41:26 | ljp | usbdnet |
| 01:41:36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hancomsheet ran amazingly well |
| 01:41:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nice |
| 01:41:46 | TheMasterMind1 | cept ofcourse ipkg/oipkg are just fucked up |
| 01:41:49 | TheMasterMind1 | and dont' install on ram properly |
| 01:41:50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: what else is new |
| 01:41:53 | TheMasterMind1 | and fuck up things in general |
| 01:41:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'll take a look later |
| 01:42:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to kill *ipkg |
| 01:42:11 | TheMasterMind1 | or just rewrite it |
| 01:42:18 | Cloudchaser | yes thats where i got the i586 one kergoth |
| 01:42:26 | Cloudchaser | but i needed i686 so i did the wrong one |
| 01:42:37 | Cloudchaser | so thats what i thoguth was the problem |
| 01:42:46 | Cloudchaser | so i was going to re-do it |
| 01:42:49 | saurus | hmm arm? |
| 01:42:58 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ah, well i'd recommend you rely on the one from /boot, thats included with the kernel-image package rather than the kernel-source package, and as such is a more reliable config |
| 01:43:12 | Cloudchaser | yes i'd agree, i just didn't know where it lived |
| 01:43:19 | Cloudchaser | thank you so much ;0 |
| 01:43:39 | kergoth | np |
| 01:43:54 | kergoth | see, that rhce test was worth something after all |
| 01:43:56 | kergoth | :-P |
| 01:44:40 | TheMasterMind1 | hahaha |
| 01:44:46 | TheMasterMind1 | points and laughs |
| 01:44:55 | kergoth | shoots TheMasterMind1 |
| 01:44:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe thanks kergoth.. |
| 01:45:00 | roge99 | lol |
| 01:45:37 | TheMasterMind1 | damn.. |
| 01:46:50 | treke|home | ljp: you are a god |
| 01:46:53 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: anytime |
| 01:49:13 | ljp | who me? |
| 01:49:35 | ljp | what'd I do?! |
| 01:50:03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:50:06 | erikd | you lied |
| 01:50:09 | erikd | i think |
| 01:50:14 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 01:50:17 | treke|home | ljp: does it really matter? you now are a god in my book |
| 01:50:24 | Cloudchaser | mine too ;0 |
| 01:50:25 | ljp | hmmmmm |
| 01:50:27 | Cloudchaser | him and kergoth |
| 01:50:28 | erikd | wants to be a god |
| 01:50:30 | Cloudchaser | and treke |
| 01:50:33 | Cloudchaser | and and and |
| 01:50:41 | Cloudchaser | you too erikd |
| 01:50:44 | erikd | w00t! |
| 01:50:45 | treke|home | erikd: well go update opie-reader and you too can be a god |
| 01:50:46 | ljp | well, if I am a god, why do I have too many bills? |
| 01:50:58 | erikd | doesn't even know what opie-reader is |
| 01:51:01 | Cloudchaser | god of debt? |
| 01:51:01 | erikd | :) |
| 01:51:12 | ljp | hah ya.. god of debt |
| 01:51:27 | ljp | oh.. thats tim |
| 01:51:35 | treke|home | well you commited. |
| 01:51:38 | treke|home | you get credit |
| 01:51:39 | ljp | I just commited it ;) |
| 01:51:42 | ljp | I am a flase god |
| 01:51:50 | chouimat|Away | night |
| 01:51:56 | kergoth | flase god? |
| 01:51:58 | kergoth | :-P |
| 01:52:00 | ljp | false |
| 01:52:07 | Cloudchaser | hey a man that can commit must be a god! |
| 01:52:14 | ljp | my fingers are dixlexic |
| 01:52:27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: hey! i resent that remark! ;-) |
| 01:52:29 | ljp | heh ya.. I only commit to cvs |
| 01:52:30 | treke|home | compiles away |
| 01:52:40 | TheMasterMind1 | my fingers are bored |
| 01:52:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: work, slacker |
| 01:52:48 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:52:51 | Cloudchaser | sounds like a personal problem |
| 01:53:01 | TheMasterMind1 | fix the damn kernel so i can work on it |
| 01:53:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: find something else to do |
| 01:53:17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm doing other shit atm |
| 01:54:39 | treke|home | oooh plucker support. ROCK ON |
| 01:55:16 | ljp | tell me if there's any files missing |
| 01:55:31 | treke|home | failed miserably when he tried writing a plucker viewer |
| 01:56:03 | ljp | plucker schmucker |
| 01:56:18 | ljp | whats plucker? |
| 01:57:07 | treke|home | its an avantogoo/sitescooper/mazingo type of thing |
| 01:57:11 | chouimat|Zzzzz | plucker it's a prog for palm |
| 01:57:16 | Cloudchaser | i need new wireless card for my other laptop |
| 01:57:18 | treke|home | except all the data gets stuck into a single pdb |
| 01:57:20 | Cloudchaser | and 2 new mouses |
| 01:58:48 | treke|home | hmmm, the compile bombed out big time |
| 01:58:53 | Cloudchaser | hello tux_mike |
| 01:58:59 | tux_mike | yo |
| 01:59:10 | ljp | treke: did you reconfigure? |
| 01:59:13 | tux_mike | not on for long, about to do a video upgrade :) |
| 01:59:22 | treke|home | ljp: I see the problem. I need to install zlib |
| 01:59:25 | Cloudchaser | getting better movies? |
| 01:59:38 | ljp | hmm should be in the opie-reader dir |
| 01:59:54 | ljp | unless you mean linking |
| 02:00:44 | treke|home | nope. itsnot able to include it |
| 02:01:05 | ljp | ya ok.. |
| 02:01:10 | tux_mike | ugh. ten megs for a fricken video driver |
| 02:02:11 | tux_mike | argh. and their servers cap the download |
| 02:06:38 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck |
| 02:06:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm faling asleep |
| 02:06:50 | TheMasterMind1 | later all |
| 02:13:22 | Cloudchaser | treke did you ever submit your vnc fixes? |
| 02:16:09 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: yes |
| 02:16:13 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: Its in opie cvs |
| 02:16:24 | Cloudchaser | cool |
| 02:16:33 | Cloudchaser | saw some folks post who had trouble |
| 02:16:44 | Cloudchaser | is it in zsi? |
| 02:16:55 | treke|home | nope |
| 02:17:08 | Cloudchaser | aww.. |
| 02:17:22 | Cloudchaser | all those folks wondering why it doesn't work |
| 02:17:25 | Cloudchaser | and yours does! |
| 02:17:51 | treke|home | lemme check out zsi |
| 02:18:13 | treke|home | I dont know how has access to change it |
| 02:18:17 | treke|home | er who |
| 02:18:43 | Cloudchaser | ah i guess whoever serves up the one thats there now |
| 02:19:54 | Cloudchaser | brb.. switching pc's to fix that config problem |
| 02:21:05 | treke|home | there. updated |
| 02:26:47 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: are you still here by chance? |
| 02:26:51 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yup |
| 02:27:06 | Cloudchaser | ok i have a big problem |
| 02:27:30 | Cloudchaser | i had kernel 2.4.18-10 |
| 02:27:30 | KallDrexx | kergoth: so is the CF problem fixed? |
| 02:27:39 | Cloudchaser | i did all that recompiling |
| 02:27:45 | Cloudchaser | and when i rebooted i got lilo menu |
| 02:28:03 | Cloudchaser | and there was a .bak on it, which i thought was my old one before i patched and all |
| 02:28:14 | Cloudchaser | but it appears its 2.4.18-3 |
| 02:28:16 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: um, you didnt have to build a new kernel, all you had to build was modules |
| 02:28:19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ah |
| 02:28:34 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: sounds like you had a kernel-source package for 2.4.18-3, not 2.4.18-10 |
| 02:28:37 | Cloudchaser | but i wasnt running that before i started all this the morning |
| 02:28:51 | Cloudchaser | no the kernel source was 2.4.18-10 |
| 02:29:03 | Cloudchaser | but there was stuff in there for 2.4.18-3 |
| 02:29:06 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:29:09 | Cloudchaser | but i don't know where it came from |
| 02:29:35 | kergoth | odd |
| 02:30:17 | Cloudchaser | well not sure where it was i was so many places |
| 02:30:50 | Cloudchaser | but 2.4.18-3 is not in /usr/src |
| 02:32:46 | Cloudchaser | ok where i saw a 2.4.18-3 dir is in /lib/modules |
| 02:33:33 | Cloudchaser | how would my kernel get updated? |
| 02:33:41 | Cloudchaser | would redhat updates do it? |
| 02:33:54 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:33:59 | kergoth | from 2.4.18-3 to 2.4.18-10? |
| 02:34:03 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 02:34:04 | kergoth | yes, they would upgrade the kenrel |
| 02:34:08 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 02:34:14 | kergoth | up2date does that. but generally it asks you in the process |
| 02:34:25 | kergoth | by default it doesnt upgrade kenrel things unless you tell it to when it prompts |
| 02:34:26 | Cloudchaser | it might have |
| 02:34:31 | kergoth | k |
| 02:34:33 | Cloudchaser | i just updated everything |
| 02:34:46 | Cloudchaser | ok so i need to reboot then to the 2.4.18-10 |
| 02:35:02 | Cloudchaser | and then do the make old config with the right config file |
| 02:35:20 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:35:28 | Cloudchaser | before i used that default i586 config |
| 02:35:31 | Cloudchaser | lilo never came up |
| 02:35:43 | kergoth | did you run make install? |
| 02:35:45 | Cloudchaser | so that's why i never noticed theere were 2 entrys |
| 02:35:47 | Cloudchaser | yes i did |
| 02:35:49 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:35:52 | kergoth | dont do that |
| 02:36:00 | kergoth | you only need to build the modules, instead.. you built a new kernel |
| 02:36:00 | Cloudchaser | is it too late? |
| 02:36:06 | kergoth | shouldnt have hurt you |
| 02:36:08 | kergoth | but.. |
| 02:36:13 | kergoth | redhat 7.3 uses grub, not lilo. |
| 02:36:33 | kergoth | so you switched bootloaders from grub to lilo.. not horrible, not going to break anything |
| 02:36:37 | Cloudchaser | if i start all over again with the right config and don't do the make install will it all be ok? |
| 02:36:40 | kergoth | but grub is generally preferred |
| 02:36:46 | kergoth | well, you'll still have lilo |
| 02:36:52 | kergoth | it wont go away until you do something to it. |
| 02:36:55 | Cloudchaser | how do i switch back? |
| 02:37:02 | kergoth | I dont know offhand, i dont have a redhat box in front of me |
| 02:37:07 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 02:37:12 | Cloudchaser | i can live with that i guess |
| 02:37:17 | kergoth | okay now listen, when working in your kenrel sources |
| 02:37:27 | kergoth | unless you need to build a new kernel, dont run make bzImage or make install |
| 02:37:37 | kergoth | if you're just building new modules, do make modules and make modules_install |
| 02:37:41 | Cloudchaser | i thought i needed to |
| 02:37:44 | kergoth | which is what you shoudlve done |
| 02:37:55 | kergoth | this time, make oldconfig; make dep; make modules; make modules_install; |
| 02:38:13 | Cloudchaser | ok i don't have to do the menuconfig thing again or the bzImage? |
| 02:38:26 | kergoth | i just told you, bzImage is to build a new kernel |
| 02:38:30 | kergoth | you dont need that, you already have one |
| 02:38:33 | kergoth | you just want the usbdnet module |
| 02:38:37 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 02:38:43 | kergoth | if you do oldconfig, you dont need menuconfig |
| 02:38:48 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 02:38:49 | kergoth | well |
| 02:38:51 | kergoth | i'm wrong |
| 02:38:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:39:02 | kergoth | it depends. in your case, your /boot/config-blah wont have hte usbdnet configured |
| 02:39:12 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 02:39:14 | kergoth | so you will want to make menuconfig and set that up according to the howto |
| 02:39:20 | Cloudchaser | ok i can do that |
| 02:39:32 | untorn | I just downloaded a rom the other day called 1.37 rom but when I look at system info in my Z it says 1.13 |
| 02:39:37 | untorn | why is that? |
| 02:39:39 | Cloudchaser | i copy the config-2.4.18-10 to /usr/src/linux |
| 02:39:47 | kergoth | untorn: accidentally grabbedthe wrong one, i'd say |
| 02:39:50 | Cloudchaser | and away i go :) |
| 02:40:00 | Cloudchaser | ok be back after restart to the right kernel |
| 02:40:07 | Cloudchaser | thanks kergoth |
| 02:40:13 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yup, then make oldconfig, then make menuconfig, set it up, then make dep, make modules, make modules_install, depmod -a, then reboot |
| 02:40:17 | untorn | kergoth how could I have gotten the wrong one |
| 02:40:22 | untorn | ? |
| 02:40:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:40:26 | kergoth | untorn: how should i know? |
| 02:40:28 | kergoth | untorn: heh |
| 02:40:34 | untorn | kergoth: where else can you download them rather |
| 02:40:41 | kergoth | nowhere. |
| 02:40:47 | kergoth | the sharp dev site is it. |
| 02:40:52 | kergoth | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 02:41:02 | untorn | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download/binary/SL5UpdateV137.zip |
| 02:41:23 | kergoth | yep, thats it |
| 02:41:35 | kergoth | you put 'romimage' on the cf and flashed according to procedures? |
| 02:41:51 | untorn | yeah |
| 02:41:57 | kergoth | no idea then |
| 02:41:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:42:08 | untorn | kergoth you running oz? |
| 02:42:14 | kergoth | untorn: of course, i created oz |
| 02:42:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:42:31 | untorn | kergoth: heh |
| 02:43:53 | untorn | kergoth do you use any specific application for creating ipks or just the directions off zauruszone? |
| 02:44:10 | kergoth | untorn: i use ipkg-build to build ipks |
| 02:44:20 | kergoth | untorn: the same version i sent ben to put in the howto |
| 02:44:22 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 02:44:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe hiya |
| 02:44:51 | kagemusha | does anyone have any suggestions for a windows program to store passwords for different sites? |
| 02:45:06 | Cloudchaser | ok here goes nothing |
| 02:45:10 | Cloudchaser | takes a deep breath |
| 02:45:37 | untorn | kergoth: so, if I want an app installed in /mnt/card/app I must mkdir /app/mnt/card/app along with /app/CONTROL ? |
| 02:45:40 | Cloudchaser | oh its asking me! |
| 02:45:53 | Cloudchaser | it says usbd networ....N/m/? |
| 02:46:13 | Cloudchaser | i put m right? |
| 02:46:21 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: hit ctrl+c.. recopy the config, and run menuconfig instead of oldconfig |
| 02:46:25 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: sorry for the confusion, forgot |
| 02:46:37 | kergoth | untorn: assuming /app is the dir you'll run ipkg-build on, yes, thats correct |
| 02:47:10 | kagemusha | who was trying to talk to me? (it scrolled out of xchat's buffer) |
| 02:47:14 | Cloudchaser | ok i copy config-2.4.18 to .config? |
| 02:47:23 | Cloudchaser | menu config |
| 02:47:25 | untorn | kergoth: thanks |
| 02:47:40 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: well, you copy the appropriate config file. if thats the closest one to yours, yes. |
| 02:47:47 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i mean, if config-2.4.18-10 exists, use that |
| 02:47:49 | Cloudchaser | i got it from /boot |
| 02:47:55 | kergoth | good |
| 02:48:26 | Cloudchaser | thats my old one from before right? nothing writes to that? |
| 02:48:54 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:49:03 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 02:50:29 | fatbum | any1 use the debian? |
| 02:50:35 | fatbum | THE debian hehe |
| 02:51:01 | kagemusha | fatbum: me |
| 02:51:21 | fatbum | im having trouble with my x configuration |
| 02:51:26 | fatbum | im totally x retarded |
| 02:51:26 | kergoth | fatbum: #debian |
| 02:51:27 | fatbum | :( |
| 02:51:39 | fatbum | no im banned from there....wonder why i have never been there |
| 02:51:53 | fatbum | then it tells me #debian is desynced |
| 02:52:34 | kergoth | if the channel is desynced, there's nothing you can do about it. |
| 02:52:37 | kergoth | hey cranchy |
| 02:52:51 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 24 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: kagemusha: what's up [Sat Sep 14 01:28:09 2002] |
| 02:52:51 | kagemusha | ibot seen Onyx4 |
| 02:53:00 | kagemusha | shoot, I missed him |
| 02:54:05 | fatbum | kagemusha you know of any auto x-config programs? |
| 02:54:21 | kagemusha | xf86cfg |
| 02:54:24 | untorn | kergoth: I got the example ipk to run fine but when I try to run the ipk that should install to /mnt/card I get an error on the z telling me there is no space on the device (sd card is clean) and my internal ram gets filled, apparently it is trying to install to my ram and not sd card...any help? |
| 02:54:58 | fatbum | kagemusha i went in to config my mouse and it died |
| 02:55:02 | cranchy | her kergoth...whats new |
| 02:55:12 | kagemusha | fatbum: what died |
| 02:55:12 | fatbum | the server was alive, and i had to ctrl-alt-bspace it |
| 02:55:25 | fatbum | then ctrl-c cuz my console didnt catch it |
| 02:55:25 | kagemusha | fatbum: why don't you msg me sso we don't bother the channel |
| 02:55:28 | kergoth | untorn: what rom? |
| 02:55:30 | fatbum | sorry chan' |
| 02:55:54 | untorn | kergoth 1.13 |
| 02:56:15 | cranchy | when is OZ 3 out? |
| 02:57:12 | untorn | kergoth: my 7meg file from the ipkg partially installed to /home/tmp/app/data/mnt/card/app/file |
| 02:57:41 | untorn | kergoth: where /mnt/card/app/file is where I wanted it to install to |
| 02:59:00 | untorn | kergoth: do I have to make my ipk install dirs under /usr/mnt.rom/card/app/file? |
| 02:59:01 | kergoth | untorn: qinstall tries to extract the entire ipk to /tmp first |
| 02:59:04 | kergoth | untorn: no |
| 02:59:09 | kergoth | untorn: qinstall will take care of that |
| 02:59:26 | kergoth | untorn: but your ipk wont install to sd/cf unless there's enough room in ram too, cause it extracts it there first |
| 02:59:29 | untorn | I was running ipkg install file |
| 02:59:36 | NeoTron | Ohh. Unreal 2003 demo for Linux |
| 02:59:39 | untorn | ahhhh |
| 02:59:41 | kergoth | untorn: that wont handle it properly |
| 02:59:52 | kergoth | untorn: the *gui* does the linking to install to sd/cf/etc properly |
| 03:00:02 | untorn | kergoth alright...now just gotta get my hands on a 12meg heap rom |
| 03:00:05 | kergoth | untorn: unless you meant to install to / .. in which case it'll take twice the space, once in /tmp, once where it belongs |
| 03:00:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:00:52 | cranchy | any news on oz3 kergoth? |
| 03:01:07 | Cloudchaser | ok kergoth: i do not need to make another bzImage because i already did that? |
| 03:01:19 | untorn | kergoth: if I make my ipkg fir /app/mnt/card/app/file and somene opens the gui installer and selects sd card it will install there correctly? |
| 03:03:48 | kergoth | untorn: yes |
| 03:03:55 | kergoth | cranchy: busy rewriting hte buildsystem |
| 03:03:57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: correct |
| 03:04:02 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 03:04:09 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: all you're doing is building and installing the modules, not the kernel itself :) |
| 03:04:14 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 03:04:37 | fatbum | hola |
| 03:04:38 | Cloudchaser | so no make install either just make modules and make modules_install |
| 03:04:42 | kergoth | yup |
| 03:04:45 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 03:05:08 | Cloudchaser | hehe well after doing this 3 times...maybe the 3rd time will be the charm |
| 03:05:31 | Cloudchaser | all that to plug that silly z into my pc |
| 03:06:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:09:08 | untorn | Cloudchaser: do you have the modules working to connect your z to the internet? |
| 03:09:54 | Cloudchaser | not yet |
| 03:10:23 | Cloudchaser | i don't really want to connect to the net via usb but to my pc yes, for when i have cf card in instead of wireless |
| 03:10:40 | Cloudchaser | i'm hoping try #3 works |
| 03:11:14 | kagemusha | how can you connect to your pc but not the net, isn't the usb just a net connection? |
| 03:11:28 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 03:11:37 | Cloudchaser | have to go a bit further to connect to the net |
| 03:11:42 | kagemusha | how so |
| 03:12:03 | kergoth | kagemusha: enable packet forwarding, and NAT generally |
| 03:12:05 | kagemusha | I can ping my Z when it's in the cradle, how much further do you need than that? |
| 03:12:16 | kagemusha | kergoth: but that's on the pc not the Z |
| 03:12:16 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 03:12:21 | kergoth | kagemusha: and? |
| 03:12:24 | kergoth | kagemusha: of course it is |
| 03:12:24 | kagemusha | Cloudchaser: I've done that |
| 03:12:34 | Cloudchaser | what is your question then? |
| 03:12:39 | kagemusha | kergoth: I thought he meant he needed to change something on the Z |
| 03:12:43 | kagemusha | never mind |
| 03:12:43 | kergoth | kagemusha: her point is, being able to connect from the Z to the ethernet is a step beyond where she's at |
| 03:12:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:12:47 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 03:12:53 | kagemusha | gotcha too |
| 03:12:57 | bbeattie | Anyone use QTjim? I can't locate a configuration file, or find a way to have QTjim start with my login data, instead of the default developers login. |
| 03:13:08 | kergoth | i'm operating on zero caffeine and zero alcohol |
| 03:13:10 | kergoth | how.. odd |
| 03:13:16 | Cloudchaser | he said internet |
| 03:13:20 | kagemusha | feels vaguely stupid after that interchange for no good reason |
| 03:13:22 | Cloudchaser | i don't need internet |
| 03:13:24 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 03:13:29 | Cloudchaser | i just want to connect to my pc |
| 03:13:34 | Cloudchaser | for file transfers |
| 03:13:40 | Cloudchaser | when i don't have the wifi in |
| 03:13:41 | kagemusha | mmmm nfs |
| 03:13:57 | Cloudchaser | if iw ant to connect to internet, i use wireless |
| 03:14:12 | kagemusha | mmmm wireless |
| 03:14:17 | kagemusha | mine should come in about 3 days |
| 03:14:18 | kergoth | wifi rocks |
| 03:14:21 | Cloudchaser | so i don't have to do all that nat/masquerade |
| 03:14:32 | Cloudchaser | yes wifi does rock ;) |
| 03:14:36 | kagemusha | gotcha |
| 03:14:49 | Cloudchaser | i coudl use card reader to do it also |
| 03:15:02 | Cloudchaser | but my card reader eats my 256 mb cf card |
| 03:15:09 | kagemusha | that's not good |
| 03:15:13 | Cloudchaser | hehe nope |
| 03:15:17 | kagemusha | eats how so? |
| 03:15:29 | Cloudchaser | i use it once then nothing ever can read it again |
| 03:15:35 | kagemusha | ouch |
| 03:15:44 | Cloudchaser | took me 2 cards to figure out it was the reader |
| 03:15:50 | Cloudchaser | so now i don't use it for that card |
| 03:15:54 | Cloudchaser | it works fine with my other cards |
| 03:16:01 | kagemusha | even the reader can't read it again? |
| 03:16:10 | Cloudchaser | i had to format it in my camera |
| 03:16:15 | kagemusha | gotcha |
| 03:16:22 | Cloudchaser | took 4 tries to do that but finally it formatted |
| 03:16:38 | kagemusha | did you try mkfs.msdos -f16 /dev/hd*1 ? |
| 03:16:40 | Cloudchaser | sometime i'll get brave and try another reader |
| 03:16:50 | Cloudchaser | yeah i tried it in windows, linux, z |
| 03:16:55 | Cloudchaser | nothing |
| 03:17:03 | kagemusha | that sucks |
| 03:17:10 | Cloudchaser | i sent it ack and got new one |
| 03:17:25 | cranch| | I wish Opera worked on OpenZaurus |
| 03:17:34 | Cloudchaser | got it back, put it in on windows then in z and poof |
| 03:17:58 | kagemusha | whatever happend to the quake-data ipkg? |
| 03:17:59 | Cloudchaser | its not reader its pcmcia-->cf adapter |
| 03:18:07 | cranch| | kergoth: you home? |
| 03:18:16 | Cloudchaser | nah he's at my house |
| 03:18:23 | cranch| | haha |
| 03:18:25 | Cloudchaser | is just kidding |
| 03:18:29 | cranch| | :P |
| 03:18:37 | cranch| | OpenZ 3.0 coming out soon? |
| 03:18:46 | kergoth | cranch|: no, but 2.9.7 approaches |
| 03:18:59 | cranch| | whats in 2.9.7 |
| 03:19:30 | kergoth | cranch|: which will include.. latest opie of course, pppd, opie-login, running opie as a nonroot user, size improvements to free more space in flash, and probably 2.4.7 kernel w/ absolutely latest jffs2 code. |
| 03:19:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:19:47 | W|GGL|T | cusses like a sailor at Evolution |
| 03:19:47 | kergoth | thats about a week away, max |
| 03:20:57 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: that sounds very nice ;) |
| 03:21:09 | Cloudchaser | will oipkg get fixed too? |
| 03:21:23 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: eventually. probably not by the 2.9.7 release |
| 03:21:28 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: most of the bugs now are with ipkg itself, not oiopkg |
| 03:21:32 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 03:21:34 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: but oipkg still lacks a 'upgrade all' button |
| 03:21:38 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: which annoys me to no end |
| 03:21:39 | Cloudchaser | ok..i can't keep up |
| 03:21:55 | Cloudchaser | well upgrading everything is bad, and hosed me |
| 03:22:00 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: fyi, i'm splitting off into two feeds, one for testing/stable, one for unstable |
| 03:22:08 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: which should let people wanting to, retain some stability |
| 03:22:11 | bbeattie | Does everyone recommend a Sandisk or Simpletech SD 128MB flash card? |
| 03:22:23 | cranch| | I just want Opera to work in OpenZ :P |
| 03:22:24 | Cloudchaser | well shouldn't testing be with unstable? |
| 03:22:31 | kergoth | cranch|: i havent gotten around to testing it |
| 03:22:56 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: nah, we're following the debian model. stable, testing, unstable are the 3 states, but opie, not being released, doesnt quite qualify as 'stable'.. so its just 'testing' and 'unstable' |
| 03:23:27 | Cloudchaser | will there ever be stable? |
| 03:23:51 | kergoth | cranch|: but .. tim riker added targets to the OZ buildroot to make hancomsheet ipk |
| 03:24:06 | kergoth | cranch|: cd buildroot-oz; make sharprom sharproot hancom; and let it go... |
| 03:24:18 | kergoth | cranch|: it downloads a sharp rom, loopback mounts it, and creates an ipk of hancom |
| 03:24:27 | kergoth | cranch|: we'll adapt it to add jeode, opera, etc |
| 03:24:28 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 03:24:33 | Cloudchaser | can anyone do that? |
| 03:24:38 | kergoth | cranch|: so thank bzflag next time you see him |
| 03:24:43 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: anyone with a linux box, yeah |
| 03:25:02 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: those without linux boxen can use ben's scripts from an existing sharp rom on their Z |
| 03:25:04 | Cloudchaser | what's buildroot-oz |
| 03:25:12 | cranch| | Nice |
| 03:25:20 | Cloudchaser | has linux box |
| 03:25:21 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 03:25:57 | cranch| | so does Cranch |
| 03:26:01 | cranch| | not setup for the Z though :P |
| 03:26:05 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: buildroot-oz is what lets me run 'make openzaurus' to build a openzaurus initrd.bin |
| 03:26:07 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: and kernel |
| 03:26:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:26:14 | Cloudchaser | oh hmm |
| 03:26:18 | kergoth | compiles everything |
| 03:26:23 | kergoth | qt, opie, glibc, ssh, ssl |
| 03:26:26 | kergoth | blah blah |
| 03:26:33 | kergoth | takes a long fucking time for a full build too |
| 03:26:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:26:37 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 03:26:50 | Cloudchaser | so does make modules |
| 03:28:31 | kagemusha | do you have to have the cross compiler installed? |
| 03:28:38 | kergoth | kagemusha: to extract hancom? nope |
| 03:28:47 | kergoth | kagemusha: all it does is some mounting and copying and stuff |
| 03:29:20 | kergoth | iirc you have to be root for the make sharproot step, so its like make sharprom; sudo make sharproot; make hancom; if you're building as a nonroot user with sudo access |
| 03:29:26 | kergoth | or just run the whole deal as root |
| 03:29:27 | kagemusha | i meant to actually 'make openzaurus' |
| 03:29:44 | kergoth | oh |
| 03:29:45 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:29:59 | kergoth | you need a crosscompiler, and you have to have set your path up |
| 03:30:04 | kagemusha | that's what I figured |
| 03:30:05 | kergoth | so that arm-linux-* is in the path |
| 03:30:13 | kergoth | k |
| 03:34:56 | untorn | "size improvements to free more space in flash" how much internel ram do you estimate for 5000d? |
| 03:35:34 | kergoth | untorn: same as for the 5500 ;-) |
| 03:35:42 | kergoth | untorn: I dont have a figure offhand, I have a bit of work yet to do |
| 03:36:29 | untorn | kergoth: right... |
| 03:37:13 | untorn | kergoth: do you have hotplug working on your linux box so everytime you press sync it reenables ifconfig |
| 03:37:19 | kergoth | untorn: yep |
| 03:38:40 | untorn | kergoth: I did an apt-get install hotplug, where do I go about configuring it to listen for the usb? |
| 03:38:55 | kergoth | untorn: depends on your distribution |
| 03:39:18 | kergoth | untorn: generally you configure hte usb interface the same way you configure any other interface in the system (netconfig for redhat, /etc/network/interfaces for debian, etc) |
| 03:41:31 | untorn | kergoth which distro do you run? |
| 03:41:38 | kergoth | untorn: debian unstable |
| 03:41:57 | untorn | kergoth likes being l337 |
| 03:42:06 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:42:26 | kergoth | no, i just like the design of the system, the init scripts, and its package management system |
| 03:42:56 | untorn | kergoth: I know this is noob of me but could you post your /etc/network/interfaces script in flood |
| 03:43:10 | kagemusha | untorn: go to /etc/hotplug/usb |
| 03:43:13 | untorn | kergoth: I was mostly refeering to unstable. |
| 03:43:21 | kergoth | untorn: you're on debian then? |
| 03:43:28 | kagemusha | I will post my /etc/hotplug/usb/usbdnet in #flood |
| 03:43:28 | untorn | yes |
| 03:43:32 | kergoth | iface usb0 inet static |
| 03:43:33 | kergoth | address 192.168.129.1 |
| 03:43:35 | kergoth | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:43:46 | kergoth | that shoudl be sufficient, though it doenst set up forwarding or nat to allow the Z access to the net |
| 03:43:58 | kergoth | you can set up further scripts for it to run on up/down to do that easy enough |
| 03:44:10 | untorn | kergoth I am having trouble getting those modulues installed anyways |
| 03:44:10 | kagemusha | here is my usbdnet file: |
| 03:44:14 | kagemusha | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 03:44:14 | kagemusha | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 03:44:14 | kagemusha | iptables -t nat -F |
| 03:44:14 | kagemusha | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 192.168.0.144 |
| 03:44:14 | kagemusha | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 03:44:19 | kergoth | kagemusha: unnecessary. |
| 03:44:24 | kagemusha | indeed |
| 03:44:27 | kergoth | kagemusha: at least, unnecessary on debian and redhat |
| 03:44:28 | kagemusha | but oh well |
| 03:44:34 | kergoth | kagemusha: it'll run the stock 'net' hotplug script |
| 03:44:45 | kergoth | kagemusha: which just runs 'ifup usb0' and 'ifdown usb0' |
| 03:44:50 | kagemusha | yep |
| 03:44:59 | kergoth | untorn: find /lib/modules -name CDCEther.o | xargs rm -f |
| 03:45:00 | fatbum | any1 use bitchx? how i close query sesh |
| 03:45:09 | kergoth | untorn: if you dont get rid of that one, it'll cause issues |
| 03:47:27 | untorn | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.17/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o |
| 03:47:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe that sounds familiar |
| 03:48:07 | untorn | Cloudchaser: =) |
| 03:48:15 | kergoth | untorn: dont worry about it, unless you get unresolved symbols in a module you *need* |
| 03:48:16 | untorn | Cloudchaser: I can ftp to the z fine though... |
| 03:48:26 | kergoth | untorn: without connection tracking, you wont be able to do NAT properly |
| 03:48:38 | kergoth | untorn: so your Z wont be able to get access to the internet easily |
| 03:48:48 | kergoth | but beyond that, you should be fine |
| 03:48:57 | untorn | kergoth I was hoping to have the modules setup so I can connnect to the net with the z |
| 03:49:12 | kergoth | untorn: then you'll have to figure out how that module got screwed up |
| 03:49:19 | untorn | right... |
| 03:49:25 | kergoth | untorn: sounds like the kernel source you're working in's configuration doesnt match the running kernel |
| 03:49:30 | kergoth | untorn: in that case, do what i told cloudchaser earlier |
| 03:49:41 | untorn | upgrade kernel image? |
| 03:50:07 | kergoth | untorn: cp /boot/config-[kernel version string] /usr/src/kernel-source-[version]/.config; cd /usr/src/kernel-source-[version]; make menuconfig; .. setup usbdnet... make dep; make modules; make modules_install |
| 03:50:10 | Cloudchaser | no cp your config from /boot to /usr/src/linux .config |
| 03:50:16 | kergoth | untorn: unless you want to use make-kpkg to build a new kernel-image.deb |
| 03:51:41 | untorn | yeah I use make-kpkg |
| 03:51:51 | untorn | hearts debian |
| 03:53:25 | Pvt_Joker | does a happy jig |
| 03:58:55 | | kergoth was last seen on #openzaurus 7 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: k [Sat Sep 14 04:51:36 2002] |
| 03:58:55 | nasa | ibot seen kergoth |
| 03:59:09 | kergoth | hey nasa |
| 03:59:16 | nasa | hey |
| 03:59:29 | nasa | just got back from work |
| 03:59:57 | nasa | So did I miss anything? |
| 04:00:14 | Pvt_Joker | hey guys....this is off the Z topic.....but could i wirelessly link a Mac and PC? |
| 04:00:54 | nasa | hmm, don't see why not -- but I haven't tried |
| 04:01:15 | Cloudchaser | ohh i got errors! |
| 04:01:31 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: what are they? |
| 04:01:32 | Cloudchaser | sysinfo.c:85: for each function it appears in.) |
| 04:01:32 | Cloudchaser | make[2]: *** [sysinfo.o] Error 1 |
| 04:01:32 | Cloudchaser | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-10/abi/svr4' |
| 04:01:32 | Cloudchaser | make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_svr4] Error 2 |
| 04:01:32 | Cloudchaser | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-10/abi' |
| 04:01:32 | Cloudchaser | make: *** [_mod_abi] Error 2 |
| 04:01:34 | kergoth | er |
| 04:01:34 | Cloudchaser | [root@localhost linux]# |
| 04:01:38 | kergoth | thats awfully unpleasant |
| 04:01:50 | Cloudchaser | it is? |
| 04:01:53 | kergoth | i would do a make distclean, recopy the config,and continue with the procedure ..make menuconfig, etc |
| 04:02:00 | Pvt_Joker | i mean i know i gotta get an Airport card for the Mac....if i need the base or not i dunno yet but i wanna find out if it works before i buy all the crap |
| 04:02:06 | Cloudchaser | make distclean? |
| 04:02:19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:02:26 | kergoth | thatll completely clean up the tree |
| 04:02:31 | kergoth | including removing the .config you copied over |
| 04:02:33 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 04:02:38 | kergoth | then start over with the procedure ig ave you |
| 04:03:26 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 04:03:50 | nasa | kergoth: any luck with the usb networking problem? (with the testing kernel) |
| 04:04:49 | kergoth | nasa: nah, been rewriting the entire oz buildroot |
| 04:05:07 | kergoth | nasa: makefile template, source and sourcetree methods, the whole damn thing, cause it was being a pain in the ass |
| 04:05:31 | nasa | kergoth: damn, you really wanted to do some work... |
| 04:05:43 | kergoth | nasa: hehe |
| 04:05:51 | kergoth | nasa: learned about using OO in perl, never done that before |
| 04:07:11 | nasa | kergoth: I guess that is what defines an expert -- someone who can break stuff (and then find new an ingenious ways to fix it) |
| 04:08:43 | kergoth | hrm, anyone know perl? can i push a hash onto an array? or rather, a hash reference? |
| 04:20:57 | nasa | night everyone |
| 04:21:06 | Cloudchaser | 'gnight |
| 04:23:00 | kergoth | night |
| 04:23:06 | kergoth | er |
| 04:23:08 | kergoth | late |
| 04:23:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:23:17 | Cloudchaser | hehe me too |
| 04:23:35 | Cloudchaser | you are going also or just saying g'night t nasa? |
| 04:23:46 | kergoth | just sayin goodnight to nasa, and was late |
| 04:23:49 | kergoth | ah well |
| 04:23:55 | Cloudchaser | i was too |
| 04:24:16 | Cloudchaser | i'm praying over my pc at the moment ;) |
| 04:24:23 | Cloudchaser | hehe hoping it doesn't error again |
| 04:26:34 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 04:33:29 | Pvt_Joker | hey Cloud |
| 04:33:40 | Cloudchaser | :) hiya |
| 04:33:51 | Pvt_Joker | 'sup? |
| 04:34:19 | Cloudchaser | not to much....trying to get my usbdnet working on linux |
| 04:35:04 | Pvt_Joker | i wish i knew Linux |
| 04:35:18 | Cloudchaser | i wish i did too :) |
| 04:35:41 | Cloudchaser | but i'm learning...the long and hard way |
| 04:35:42 | Pvt_Joker | lol |
| 04:36:10 | Cloudchaser | watches make modules for the 4th time |
| 04:36:11 | Pvt_Joker | i mean i kinda figured out the Terminal on my Z......well enough to delete and copy crap |
| 04:36:28 | Pvt_Joker | i can't wait till tomorrow |
| 04:36:35 | Cloudchaser | what's tomorrow? |
| 04:37:14 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 05:51:32) |
| 04:37:15 | Pvt_Joker | i gettin' a wireless card |
| 04:37:23 | Cloudchaser | ah fun! |
| 04:37:56 | Pvt_Joker | plus gettin' one for my PC |
| 04:38:11 | Pvt_Joker | from what i understand i can make a basic network with just cards |
| 04:38:24 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 04:38:30 | Pvt_Joker | it'll work for a handful before i need a access point |
| 04:38:57 | Pvt_Joker | but instead of gettin' a PCI card i'm gettin' one of those USB ones |
| 04:39:26 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 04:39:46 | Pvt_Joker | cause there's times i wanna sit in my living room and watch TechTV and surf the net |
| 04:39:55 | Pvt_Joker | and my parents have a shit fit when i drag my comp out there |
| 04:39:59 | Cloudchaser | i don't get tch tv |
| 04:40:15 | Pvt_Joker | i love that channel |
| 04:40:38 | Pvt_Joker | that and Comedy Central is all i watch anymore |
| 04:42:23 | Pvt_Joker | maybe you'd know......if i got an Airport card for my Mac would i still need the base to share my net connect with my PC? |
| 04:43:38 | Cloudchaser | i don't know anything about the airport |
| 04:43:44 | Cloudchaser | but i'd guess so |
| 04:44:11 | Pvt_Joker | cause the cards are cheap enough but the base is expensive |
| 04:45:54 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 05:10:31 | Cloudchaser | oh well kergoth i give up |
| 05:12:10 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:12:15 | kergoth | where at? |
| 05:12:22 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser: wow...you're up late |
| 05:12:24 | Cloudchaser | i got errors again |
| 05:12:33 | Cloudchaser | on make modules |
| 05:12:40 | Cloudchaser | o -c -o sysinfo.o sysinfo.c |
| 05:12:40 | Cloudchaser | sysinfo.c:11:27: linux/compile.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:12:40 | Cloudchaser | sysinfo.c: In function `svr4_sysinfo': |
| 05:12:40 | Cloudchaser | sysinfo.c:85: `UTS_VERSION' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 05:12:40 | Cloudchaser | sysinfo.c:85: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 05:12:42 | Cloudchaser | sysinfo.c:85: for each function it appears in.) |
| 05:12:43 | Cloudchaser | make[2]: *** [sysinfo.o] Error 1 |
| 05:12:45 | Cloudchaser | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-10/abi/svr4' |
| 05:12:48 | Cloudchaser | make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_svr4] Error 2 |
| 05:12:50 | Cloudchaser | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-10/abi' |
| 05:12:52 | Cloudchaser | make: *** [_mod_abi] Error 2 |
| 05:12:54 | Cloudchaser | [root@localhost linux]# |
| 05:12:56 | Cloudchaser | yes W|GGL|T i am |
| 05:13:08 | Cloudchaser | not destined for usbdnet |
| 05:13:12 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: sounds like you forgot the make dep step. |
| 05:13:19 | Cloudchaser | i did do that |
| 05:13:22 | Cloudchaser | make dep |
| 05:13:24 | kergoth | then i'm out of ideas |
| 05:13:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:13:32 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 05:13:51 | Cloudchaser | thank you for your help anyway |
| 05:15:24 | kergoth | anytime |
| 05:35:48 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 05:38:56 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 05:40:53 | fusion94 | heh |
| 05:48:56 | BZFlag | heya. |
| 05:49:17 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 05:53:49 | anselor | what driver do i need to install to get the socket low power card to work? |
| 06:30:09 | kolla | anselor: prism2? |
| 06:32:22 | kergoth | anselor: you'll need the spectrum_cs driver, which is based on orinoco |
| 06:32:28 | kergoth | anselor: the ipk is available |
| 06:40:36 | DragonEagle | is away: night |
| 06:58:45 | anselor | kergoth: thanks |
| 07:09:10 | DragonEagle | is away: must...sleep...canasdfaw't ...tioyape |
| 07:12:01 | kergoth | hrm, wtf am i still doing up at 3am |
| 07:12:03 | kergoth | yawns |
| 07:12:46 | Bovine | heh, it's 09:15 here... which is bad enough |
| 07:12:57 | kergoth | just woke up, or still up? |
| 07:12:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:13:06 | kergoth | or did you mean 9:15pm? |
| 07:13:08 | Bovine | just woke up |
| 07:13:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:13:12 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 07:13:19 | Bovine | well, just got woken up by work :/ |
| 07:13:25 | kergoth | ahh |
| 07:13:27 | Bovine | is on call |
| 07:13:58 | Bovine | at least it's an automated system that calls me, so I can tell it to fuck off as much as I like and no one will care :) |
| 07:20:58 | Bovine | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1765664540 |
| 07:23:36 | cdm2 | evening. |
| 07:24:02 | kergoth | hey cdm2 |
| 07:25:04 | cdm2 | hey kergoth - how's things? |
| 07:28:30 | kergoth | cdm2: not too bad, you? |
| 07:28:42 | cdm2 | good. Just finished getting the 3800 series ipaqs working. |
| 07:28:47 | cdm2 | now I can futz with the Z again. |
| 07:28:50 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 07:30:46 | cdm2 | yeah, how is your Z kernel work going? All finished? |
| 07:33:04 | kergoth | nah, too much other shit going on lately |
| 07:33:14 | kergoth | real life, interferes, hate that |
| 07:33:17 | kergoth | heheh |
| 07:34:29 | cdm2 | yeah, no shit. |
| 07:34:38 | cdm2 | and really, it is free work for Sharp too. |
| 07:34:45 | kergoth | yep |
| 07:34:47 | cdm2 | since there is a kernel that kinda works already. |
| 07:34:56 | cdm2 | even if the code is scarier then emacs. |
| 07:35:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 12:27:18 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 12:53:27 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 12:53:41 | TheMasterMind1 | where be kergoth? |
| 12:53:50 | TheMasterMind1 | probably fell asleep at his desk |
| 12:53:56 | TheMasterMind1 | either that or he went out and got wasted |
| 13:05:27 | | BigBoss: huh? |
| 13:05:27 | BigBoss | ibot killfiz |
| 13:05:35 | BigBoss | what is the url for that site? |
| 13:06:34 | | well, zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 13:06:34 | Cloudchaser | ibot zsi |
| 13:08:29 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 13:09:18 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 13:09:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:09:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanted to check something |
| 13:09:29 | TheMasterMind1 | now i forgot |
| 13:09:30 | KallDrexx | hows it going Cloudchaser? |
| 13:09:34 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 13:09:38 | Cloudchaser | not so great |
| 13:09:43 | KallDrexx | kergoth: was CF fixed yet? |
| 13:09:50 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: that sucks :( |
| 13:10:40 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 13:11:01 | KallDrexx | wha'ts wrong? |
| 13:11:11 | Cloudchaser | trying to apply patch for usb |
| 13:11:16 | Cloudchaser | kind of stuck |
| 13:11:22 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx what about CF? |
| 13:11:29 | Cloudchaser | following benmeyer's howto |
| 13:11:33 | Cloudchaser | hi ljp |
| 13:11:49 | ljp_ | yo |
| 13:11:49 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: yesterday in hte morning (not only me) when i did a ipkg upgrade CF was added but never mounted |
| 13:11:58 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: the zauruszone.com howto? |
| 13:12:03 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 13:12:03 | TheMasterMind1 | added? |
| 13:12:09 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: what's wrong? it worked for me |
| 13:12:13 | Cloudchaser | i copied the patch into /usr/src |
| 13:12:19 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: err I mean cardmon detected it |
| 13:12:22 | KallDrexx | but it never mounted |
| 13:12:35 | Cloudchaser | then i get this when i zcat: |
| 13:12:41 | KallDrexx | what does zcat do? |
| 13:12:44 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx yea, that's a bug |
| 13:12:48 | Cloudchaser | [root@localhost src]# zcat usbdnet-RedHat-2.4.18-4.patch.gz | patch -p0 |
| 13:12:48 | Cloudchaser | can't find file to patch at input line 3 |
| 13:12:49 | Cloudchaser | Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? |
| 13:12:49 | Cloudchaser | The text leading up to this was: |
| 13:12:49 | Cloudchaser | -------------------------- |
| 13:12:49 | TheMasterMind1 | i fixed it |
| 13:12:49 | Cloudchaser | |--- linux-2.4.18-4/drivers/usb/serial/Makefile.SHARPMon Feb 25 14:38:07 2002|+++ linux-2.4.18-4/drivers/usb/serial/MakefileThu May 30 13:19:37 2002 |
| 13:12:52 | Cloudchaser | -------------------------- |
| 13:12:54 | Cloudchaser | File to patch: |
| 13:13:11 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser where are your linux stuff? |
| 13:13:12 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 13:13:13 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: cool |
| 13:13:21 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: is your linux kernel in /usr/src/linux/? |
| 13:13:24 | TheMasterMind1 | its looking for linux-2.4.18-4 |
| 13:13:26 | TheMasterMind1 | which doesn't exist |
| 13:13:40 | Cloudchaser | right |
| 13:13:49 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 13:13:51 | TheMasterMind1 | so either symlink it |
| 13:13:55 | Cloudchaser | there is no patch for 2.4.18-10 |
| 13:13:55 | TheMasterMind1 | or go into linux |
| 13:13:59 | TheMasterMind1 | and do patch -p1 |
| 13:14:09 | TheMasterMind1 | the patch should still work |
| 13:14:11 | TheMasterMind1 | as long as its 2.4.18 |
| 13:14:15 | Cloudchaser | it is |
| 13:14:19 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 13:14:19 | TheMasterMind1 | so |
| 13:14:20 | Cloudchaser | but it isn't working |
| 13:14:20 | TheMasterMind1 | cd linux |
| 13:14:26 | KallDrexx | had to rename his directory to /usr/src/linux/ |
| 13:14:31 | TheMasterMind1 | zcat ../patch.redhat.whatever | patch -p1 |
| 13:14:50 | Cloudchaser | do i move the patch into /usr/src/linux? |
| 13:15:01 | KallDrexx | no |
| 13:15:05 | KallDrexx | put it in /usr/src |
| 13:15:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ../ |
| 13:15:08 | Cloudchaser | its in /usr/src |
| 13:15:09 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 13:15:10 | KallDrexx | it looks in linux/ wahtever |
| 13:15:53 | Cloudchaser | well it won't do the zcat in /usr/src/linux if the patch isnt in there |
| 13:16:48 | Cloudchaser | ok i think i got it |
| 13:17:00 | Cloudchaser | thanks guys |
| 13:17:04 | KallDrexx | np |
| 13:18:38 | Cloudchaser | does anyone know why that how-to says to make new bzImage if it isn't used? |
| 13:18:59 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: i just made a module |
| 13:19:17 | Cloudchaser | well i screwed something up very badly yesterday |
| 13:19:25 | Cloudchaser | and so i'm having to start all over again |
| 13:19:45 | Cloudchaser | i followed someone else and did make install at the end |
| 13:19:45 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 13:19:58 | Cloudchaser | and i had done something wrong earlier |
| 13:19:59 | Cloudchaser | anyway |
| 13:20:07 | Cloudchaser | i uninstsalled my sources and reinstalled them |
| 13:20:20 | Cloudchaser | and i'm praying |
| 13:20:37 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 13:21:06 | KallDrexx | omg gift is pisisng me off |
| 13:24:02 | Cloudchaser | ok here goes nothing |
| 13:24:11 | Cloudchaser | hopes it works this time |
| 13:24:21 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 13:24:26 | KallDrexx | hye ljp_ |
| 13:24:30 | Cloudchaser | hehe mornin ljp |
| 13:24:55 | ljp_ | hi |
| 13:25:02 | Cloudchaser | hey that standalone module |
| 13:25:07 | Cloudchaser | i installed that? |
| 13:25:12 | ljp_ | yes |
| 13:25:24 | Cloudchaser | do you think maybe that's what's messing me up? |
| 13:25:33 | Cloudchaser | how do i uninstall it? |
| 13:25:36 | ljp_ | messing you up, how? |
| 13:25:44 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: which module? |
| 13:25:55 | Cloudchaser | the usbdnet standalone |
| 13:25:55 | ljp_ | usbdnet |
| 13:26:05 | ljp_ | there's only one file usbdnet.o |
| 13:26:07 | KallDrexx | you mean it's loaded or not loaded? |
| 13:26:12 | Cloudchaser | its not loaded |
| 13:26:14 | Cloudchaser | that failed |
| 13:26:16 | ljp_ | it doesnt load |
| 13:26:29 | ljp_ | readhat has funky blotched kernels ;) |
| 13:26:44 | Cloudchaser | ok make depends worked |
| 13:26:48 | Cloudchaser | thats encouraging |
| 13:26:57 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 13:27:02 | Cloudchaser | that was failing last night |
| 13:27:09 | ljp_ | weird |
| 13:27:33 | Cloudchaser | i removed my sources and started all over again |
| 13:27:47 | Cloudchaser | the good part is..i never copied anything to /boot |
| 13:28:00 | Cloudchaser | so that was intact |
| 13:28:24 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 13:28:27 | TheMasterMind1 | make install does that |
| 13:28:36 | Cloudchaser | uh oh |
| 13:28:59 | Cloudchaser | so i'm probly in trouble |
| 13:29:10 | Cloudchaser | we'll see if make modules works |
| 13:29:18 | Cloudchaser | damn |
| 13:29:34 | Cloudchaser | i did make instlal and i wasn't supposed to... |
| 13:29:38 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 13:29:40 | KallDrexx | it shouldn't matter |
| 13:29:41 | ljp_ | have you rebooted that machine? |
| 13:29:42 | Cloudchaser | followed other set of instructions |
| 13:29:48 | Cloudchaser | yes ljp a few times |
| 13:29:53 | ljp_ | then your ok |
| 13:30:00 | ljp_ | if it starts ;) |
| 13:30:19 | Cloudchaser | yes it starte but i get errors on make modules |
| 13:30:20 | ljp_ | I still wonder why that standalone isnt loading |
| 13:30:35 | ljp_ | oh |
| 13:30:38 | Cloudchaser | ljp i think its the make oldconfig with the wrong file |
| 13:30:40 | KallDrexx | did you make dep? |
| 13:30:49 | Cloudchaser | yes make dep worked |
| 13:31:05 | ljp_ | Cloudchaser: it really wouldnt matter all that much in the differen tprocessors |
| 13:31:17 | ljp_ | the redhat kernel is basically everything as modules |
| 13:31:28 | Cloudchaser | then i just don't know..i'll have to wait to see if make modules fails agian |
| 13:31:51 | ljp_ | you get module errors on bootup? |
| 13:32:04 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 13:32:06 | ljp_ | what happens when you do depmod -a |
| 13:32:15 | Cloudchaser | insmod usdbnet |
| 13:32:22 | Cloudchaser | unresolved symbols |
| 13:32:40 | Cloudchaser | well right now its making modules |
| 13:32:51 | Cloudchaser | if i do that depmod will that be ok? |
| 13:33:07 | ljp_ | sure.. it'll just give you those errors, tho |
| 13:33:23 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 13:33:25 | TheMasterMind1 | you need to do |
| 13:33:29 | TheMasterMind1 | make modules_install |
| 13:33:42 | ljp_ | shes isnt installing all the modules |
| 13:33:43 | Cloudchaser | yes after make modules i will |
| 13:33:50 | ljp_ | were trying to get usbdnet running |
| 13:33:54 | Cloudchaser | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-10/kernel/drivers/usb/usbdnet.o |
| 13:34:24 | ljp_ | cloud delete /lib/modules/2.4.18-10/kernel/drivers/usb/usbdnet.o |
| 13:34:25 | Cloudchaser | don't i still have to make modules_install ljp? |
| 13:34:34 | Cloudchaser | right now? |
| 13:34:39 | Cloudchaser | in the middle of make modules? |
| 13:34:39 | ljp_ | and you wont get that error |
| 13:34:57 | ljp_ | sure |
| 13:35:21 | ljp_ | redhat must have borked their kernel |
| 13:35:26 | ljp_ | somehow |
| 13:36:28 | Cloudchaser | ok thats removed |
| 13:36:37 | Cloudchaser | whats depmod -a ? |
| 13:36:56 | ljp_ | its like modprobe.. it load modules |
| 13:37:02 | TheMasterMind1 | no it doesn;t |
| 13:37:06 | ljp_ | actually modprobe is better |
| 13:37:13 | TheMasterMind1 | depmod calculates module dependencies |
| 13:37:21 | TheMasterMind1 | and makes sure there's no unresolved symbols |
| 13:37:37 | TheMasterMind1 | basically registers any new modules so you can modprobe em |
| 13:46:58 | | erikd was last seen on #zaurus 11 hours, 55 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: :) [Sat Sep 14 02:51:01 2002] |
| 13:46:58 | darienm | ibot seen erikd |
| 13:47:38 | TheMasterMind1 | treke good job with scaling |
| 13:51:23 | TheMasterMind1 | treke you here? |
| 13:51:35 | ljp_ | no.. he's scaling |
| 13:53:36 | ljp_ | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=3180&s=1871ba4fc2cd6324e4399258460604ff |
| 13:54:09 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:54:42 | ljp_ | saturday at that |
| 13:55:40 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin chou |
| 13:56:36 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: merci |
| 13:56:45 | Bovine | afternoon peeps :) |
| 13:57:08 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 14:03:52 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ have you tried it? |
| 14:03:53 | TheMasterMind1 | any good? |
| 14:04:27 | ljp_ | yes, its nice.. works in oz and sharp |
| 14:04:40 | ljp_ | there's no icon for it tho |
| 14:05:13 | ljp_ | the remove button on th emain view deletes the selected ipkg |
| 14:05:48 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin rikkus |
| 14:06:05 | rikkus | afternoon Cloudchaser |
| 14:06:11 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 14:06:13 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing? |
| 14:06:30 | rikkus | great, if a little bored and frustrated |
| 14:06:35 | Cloudchaser | aww |
| 14:06:40 | rikkus | might be time for some exercise, I think |
| 14:06:40 | Cloudchaser | why frustrated? |
| 14:06:45 | Cloudchaser | or is that a personal question? |
| 14:06:51 | rikkus | :) |
| 14:09:02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:09:05 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth still sleeping? |
| 14:09:06 | ljp_ | rikkus: theres a new package out that works |
| 14:09:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ you tried it? |
| 14:09:20 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 14:09:21 | TheMasterMind1 | sorry |
| 14:09:23 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't read that |
| 14:09:24 | rikkus | ljp_: new package of what? |
| 14:09:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:09:31 | TheMasterMind1 | doesit do symlinking and all ljp_ ? |
| 14:09:35 | ljp_ | package of package manager |
| 14:09:37 | TheMasterMind1 | if you get the source, hook me up |
| 14:09:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i was going to upgrade ipkg |
| 14:09:45 | ljp_ | yes.. it has 'options' dialog |
| 14:09:56 | TheMasterMind1 | but if this is better, we could make it the official oz pkg manager |
| 14:10:19 | rikkus | a package manager that works... hmm, never actually seen one of them ;) |
| 14:10:20 | ljp_ | well, if he's going to gpl it, it'll go into opie] |
| 14:10:54 | Harlekin | ljp_: ? |
| 14:11:09 | ljp_ | :) that package manager.. |
| 14:11:15 | Harlekin | so we have 2? |
| 14:11:18 | ljp_ | as an alternate package manager |
| 14:11:23 | ljp_ | sure |
| 14:11:24 | Cloudchaser | well having one th at works would be awesome |
| 14:11:30 | ljp_ | tille suggested it |
| 14:11:34 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 14:11:39 | Harlekin | as long as you maintain it |
| 14:11:44 | ljp_ | ha |
| 14:11:49 | Harlekin | or the author |
| 14:13:35 | rikkus | there are already 2 package manages in OZ |
| 14:13:55 | ljp_ | there's opikg |
| 14:14:04 | ljp_ | whats the other one? |
| 14:14:05 | Cloudchaser | ipkg is wonky too |
| 14:14:18 | ljp_ | ipkg is what the other use |
| 14:14:27 | ljp_ | opikg is just a gui |
| 14:14:36 | ljp_ | same as sharps qinstall |
| 14:14:38 | rikkus | qipkg |
| 14:14:46 | Cloudchaser | so it will suffer some of the same problems as ipkg does? |
| 14:14:47 | ljp_ | ohh. .that is in oz? |
| 14:14:58 | rikkus | er, dunno |
| 14:15:11 | George- | hello |
| 14:15:16 | ljp_ | I thought we ditched that in opie |
| 14:15:17 | George- | OK, I'm off |
| 14:15:20 | George- | (soon) |
| 14:15:26 | ljp_ | you just got here |
| 14:15:32 | George- | I know =P |
| 14:15:37 | Cloudchaser | george! |
| 14:15:43 | Cloudchaser | where ya been young fella? |
| 14:15:48 | George- | School |
| 14:15:50 | Cloudchaser | got a new woman? |
| 14:15:51 | BigBoss | he got grounded |
| 14:15:52 | George- | >< |
| 14:15:53 | ljp_ | making mud pies |
| 14:15:54 | Cloudchaser | oh school |
| 14:15:57 | BigBoss | forgot to make his bed |
| 14:16:01 | ljp_ | haha |
| 14:16:07 | George- | grmbl |
| 14:16:09 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 14:16:11 | George- | I hate CGI:IRC |
| 14:16:13 | ljp_ | parents found out he bought a zaurus |
| 14:16:15 | BigBoss | i'm such an ass |
| 14:16:17 | George- | stupid school network |
| 14:16:20 | George- | ok, i'm off |
| 14:16:26 | BigBoss | what do you expect for a jr. high |
| 14:16:26 | Cloudchaser | take care george |
| 14:16:27 | BigBoss | :) |
| 14:16:29 | Cloudchaser | aww |
| 14:16:37 | Cloudchaser | he's a funny kid ;) |
| 14:17:09 | Cloudchaser | cries |
| 14:17:17 | Cloudchaser | it failed again |
| 14:17:21 | Cloudchaser | same stupid error |
| 14:17:57 | chouimat | hehe George- is back with the cgi ...... |
| 14:18:02 | rikkus | BigBoss: I know how much you enjoy reading moans about theKompany... http://people.inf.elte.hu/isten/xmms.html - see penultimate paragraph |
| 14:18:15 | Cloudchaser | i give up |
| 14:18:15 | Cloudchaser | usb is not to be |
| 14:18:15 | Cloudchaser | not for me |
| 14:19:10 | darienm | I can understand George's pain. I have a 13-year-old son. |
| 14:19:38 | Cloudchaser | rikkus: thats a bunch of nasty, petty crap |
| 14:21:03 | BigBoss | WTF is the problem with these people and their freaking claims of '5 minutes' to make an app |
| 14:21:32 | BigBoss | that oGm guy makes the same claims and months later I'm waiting to see him reproduce any of our apps like he said |
| 14:22:47 | chouimat | BigBoss: an asshole is an asshole |
| 14:23:49 | XavierXeon | also i wish i could make an app in 5 minutes ;-) |
| 14:24:05 | chouimat | XavierXeon: get VisualBasic then |
| 14:24:20 | BigBoss | considering this putz spent 4 days porting someone elses work, not writing it from scratch. |
| 14:25:17 | XavierXeon | chouimat: i am talking about C++, non-bloated an functional ;-) i doubt VB can do it. |
| 14:25:19 | jbardin | BigBoss to whom are you refering? |
| 14:25:26 | chouimat | BigBoss: I'm writing an automotive scantool and I passed three weeks just on the gui, with mechanic just to test it |
| 14:26:00 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer is so freaking cool! |
| 14:26:02 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 14:26:10 | ljp_ | bbl |
| 14:26:21 | chouimat | XavierXeon: I was speaking about the development speed :) |
| 14:26:48 | BigBoss | jbardin: the kid that ported xmms to the Zaurus has a paragraph of lies about our applications at theKompany |
| 14:27:14 | BigBoss | http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=219 |
| 14:28:12 | Harlekin | funny that sharp gives away zaurii for a xmms port |
| 14:28:46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:29:21 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin hows op2 coming? |
| 14:29:25 | darienm | BigBoss: It reads lot more like opinion than slander. |
| 14:29:35 | rikkus | doesn't believe he ported xmms to Qtopia in 4 days |
| 14:29:37 | darienm | BigBoss: not that it helps... |
| 14:29:43 | jbardin | BigBoss what paragraph are you refering to? |
| 14:30:10 | TheMasterMind1 | since when do people not have the right to express their opinions? |
| 14:30:11 | BigBoss | jbardin: the 2nd to last |
| 14:30:26 | BigBoss | when they are making incorrect statements |
| 14:30:28 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: maybe tomorrow or monday new release |
| 14:30:45 | BigBoss | an opinion is "I think we should bomb Iraq" |
| 14:30:54 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin nice |
| 14:31:00 | BigBoss | a statement is "we should bomb iraq because I know they have nukes and will use them" |
| 14:31:22 | TheMasterMind1 | so? he has the right to say it nontheless |
| 14:31:46 | BigBoss | dude, you're 15 - how much law have you studied? |
| 14:32:08 | BigBoss | he isn't saying "I think they did this" he is making statements of fact |
| 14:32:13 | BigBoss | he is saying "they did this" |
| 14:32:13 | rikkus | BigBoss: in the UK, what he says is legal, because it's quite obviously his opinion - there's no way he could have based his statements on fact |
| 14:32:23 | Harlekin | rikkus: xmms can be ported much faster |
| 14:32:34 | BigBoss | not at all because he hasn't stated how he came to that statement |
| 14:32:36 | rikkus | Harlekin: sure, if you run it under X11 |
| 14:32:47 | Harlekin | rikkus: no. even qt/e |
| 14:32:51 | TheMasterMind1 | what are you refering to anyway? |
| 14:32:52 | Harlekin | rikkus: rip front of |
| 14:32:55 | Harlekin | new front on |
| 14:32:56 | Harlekin | ready |
| 14:33:02 | rikkus | Harlekin: go ahead |
| 14:33:07 | Harlekin | rikkus: look at the source |
| 14:33:13 | Harlekin | if you keep all depends |
| 14:33:16 | Harlekin | rikkus: i dont have to |
| 14:33:17 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:33:18 | jbardin | mmm yea it would take a fair bit of work imho |
| 14:33:22 | Harlekin | i have a own player |
| 14:33:37 | rikkus | Harlekin: ah, so you say it can be done faster but you won't do it ? :} |
| 14:33:40 | darienm | runs out for some Italian ice.. back in 5. |
| 14:34:00 | XavierXeon | Harlekin: but your own player did take you more than 4 days ;-) |
| 14:34:17 | BigBoss | everyone runs around making these bullshit statements but can't and won't back them up |
| 14:34:29 | Harlekin | rikkus: have you looked at the code? |
| 14:34:36 | rikkus | Harlekin: yes |
| 14:34:47 | chouimat | BigBoss: ehehe |
| 14:34:52 | Harlekin | rikkus: i allready ripped it off (was an idea at the beginning) |
| 14:35:06 | Harlekin | rikkus: its xmms commandline right now |
| 14:35:07 | Harlekin | .) |
| 14:35:10 | Harlekin | or was |
| 14:35:18 | BigBoss | so a couple more weeks to do a UI |
| 14:35:43 | Harlekin | BigBoss: how long do you need for a ui? |
| 14:35:47 | jbardin | i wonder how he ported the interface |
| 14:35:58 | BigBoss | Harlekin: well for a shitty UI you can do it in a day for a simple app |
| 14:35:58 | rikkus | jbardin: wrote a new one, it looks like |
| 14:35:58 | Harlekin | jbardin: i bet its just a big picture |
| 14:36:11 | Harlekin | BigBoss: look at the xmms screenshots |
| 14:36:14 | BigBoss | but we don't write shitty UI's |
| 14:36:18 | BigBoss | I did look at it |
| 14:36:27 | Harlekin | BigBoss: what does it tell you |
| 14:36:39 | BigBoss | you'll notice that his first paragraph says it took a month of work, and then in his bullshit closing paragraph he says 4 days |
| 14:36:42 | BigBoss | so which is true? |
| 14:36:47 | BigBoss | the boy obviously has trouble with facts |
| 14:37:12 | Harlekin | 4 days i bet |
| 14:37:32 | Harlekin | sales screenshot of xmms |
| 14:37:33 | BigBoss | well he said a month and the UI for the xmms player is really minimal, so I can believe it didn't take long |
| 14:37:36 | Harlekin | scaled |
| 14:37:58 | BigBoss | none of the graphic elements appear to be originally composed either |
| 14:38:06 | BigBoss | I recognize pieces from winamp and other sources |
| 14:38:08 | rikkus | well, the hard bit is the skin loader |
| 14:38:11 | BigBoss | so that of course also reduces the time |
| 14:38:21 | rikkus | you have to find a way to load xmms skins and reduce them in size without destroying their look |
| 14:38:28 | BigBoss | looks like the player read out is from xmms |
| 14:38:36 | BigBoss | so he didn't write the UI, he ported it |
| 14:38:46 | rikkus | the time display will be QLCDNumber |
| 14:39:03 | BigBoss | try writing the UI for something like tkcToDo or tkcExpense |
| 14:39:12 | rikkus | the scrolling label will have to be written |
| 14:39:14 | TheMasterMind1 | which is the best out of these four: op2, tckVideo, mplayer or opie-mediaplayer ? |
| 14:39:24 | BigBoss | tkcVideo |
| 14:39:26 | rikkus | I have done a scrolling label myself, it takes a little while to make it work nicely |
| 14:39:38 | TheMasterMind1 | do you have anything to back that up? |
| 14:39:54 | BigBoss | the same thing you have to backit up when you run around saying that tkcVideo sucks |
| 14:40:07 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 14:40:10 | TheMasterMind1 | exactly. so you're not better than the people you're criticizing |
| 14:40:17 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: get a free copy from BigBoss and then compare all |
| 14:40:25 | TheMasterMind1 | you're just pissed cuz you actually have competition |
| 14:40:32 | BigBoss | I'm showing you how it feels to have someone make an uninformed comment about your work |
| 14:40:47 | BigBoss | I don't care about competition, I care about people making false statements with no facts |
| 14:40:58 | BigBoss | I never make any comments about those other 3 because I haven't used them |
| 14:41:07 | chouimat | BigBoss: we call that software critics ... |
| 14:41:24 | TheMasterMind1 | well, if someone says mplayer is better than tckVideo |
| 14:41:27 | BigBoss | I have customers who have tried some of them and have said tkcVideo is better, but I don't take that as empirical evidence |
| 14:41:38 | BigBoss | mplayer is stillcommand line? |
| 14:41:45 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't necessarily mean its better at playing videos.. it could be any number of things |
| 14:41:57 | TheMasterMind1 | being opensource is definitely a plus over being commericial |
| 14:41:59 | TheMasterMind1 | that makes it better |
| 14:42:21 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, it is still command line |
| 14:42:33 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: not really |
| 14:42:34 | BigBoss | in your opinion, but when SUN buys a Zaurus they'd rather have a company supported product - for example |
| 14:42:59 | TheMasterMind1 | BigBoss right, but sun isn't going to not buy the product if i say mplayer is better |
| 14:43:01 | BigBoss | this is true of many many people, they get tired of dicking around with something that isn't directly supported and waste way more time farting around than in just paying $10 for an app |
| 14:43:43 | BigBoss | TheMasterMind1: if you make statements like 'mplayer is better' when you can't back it up, then you are opening yourself up |
| 14:43:48 | BigBoss | it's a stupid thing to do |
| 14:44:23 | Harlekin | BigBoss: 17:45 < TheMasterMind1> which is the best out of these four: op2, tckVideo, mplayer or |
| 14:44:26 | Harlekin | opie-mediaplayer ? |
| 14:44:27 | Harlekin | BigBoss: and you can? |
| 14:44:30 | Harlekin | 17:45 < BigBoss> tkcVideo |
| 14:44:51 | BigBoss | Harlekin: please stop with your stupid games - I also followed it up saying I was illustrating a point |
| 14:45:20 | BigBoss | and Harlekin, the GPL violation for Psi had nothing to do with us |
| 14:45:28 | Harlekin | 17:47 < BigBoss> I never make any comments about those other 3 because I haven't used them |
| 14:45:45 | BigBoss | Harlekin: are you going to continue to quote things out of context? |
| 14:45:51 | Harlekin | no |
| 14:45:55 | BigBoss | provide all my quotes if you are going to start quoting |
| 14:45:59 | BigBoss | or stop your foolish game |
| 14:45:59 | Harlekin | everybody can scroll up an read |
| 14:46:08 | Harlekin | i just give the bookmarks |
| 14:46:18 | BigBoss | <BigBoss> I'm showing you how it feels to have someone make an uninformed comment about your work |
| 14:46:24 | BigBoss | did you miss that one? |
| 14:46:31 | BigBoss | despite my having pointed it out now several times? |
| 14:46:41 | BigBoss | so are you ready to stop your foolishness now? |
| 14:46:54 | XavierXeon | just uses what he thinks is best for him |
| 14:46:59 | Harlekin | maybe you should remind yourself that you are the "head" of a company |
| 14:47:03 | Harlekin | XavierXeon: .-) |
| 14:47:13 | Harlekin | XavierXeon: good thing with os is that you can test all |
| 14:47:17 | Harlekin | XavierXeon: then decide |
| 14:47:28 | XavierXeon | Harlekin: i ecen use tkc stuff |
| 14:47:30 | rikkus | wonders what that has to do with source code |
| 14:47:37 | Harlekin | XavierXeon: is it free? |
| 14:47:41 | BigBoss | Harlekin: exactly, I am the head of a company and that is why I have to stop false statements being made about us and our products |
| 14:47:46 | XavierXeon | no but useful ! |
| 14:47:54 | Harlekin | XavierXeon: then buy it |
| 14:47:57 | BigBoss | he has |
| 14:50:20 | darienm | bak |
| 14:54:01 | darienm | XavierXeon: how many more backgammon boards do you want? And did you want any with "themes"? |
| 14:54:25 | darienm | XavierXeon: Was thinking of doing one with a colored glass type look. |
| 14:55:27 | XavierXeon | darienm: as i said i will put all in the release (if there arent 10,000). some pieces would be nice to. i have a new screenshot on my page |
| 14:56:00 | darienm | XavierXeon: Pieces.. now that will be interesting. Only two styles? Straight-on and from the side?, and 2 colors? |
| 14:56:29 | darienm | XavierXeon: Ewww. You need some pieces, BAD |
| 14:57:04 | XavierXeon | darienm: anything that will fit in a 15x15 png (like 14x14 circles, boxes,triangles.penguins...whtever) |
| 14:57:37 | darienm | XavierXeon: Will you be showing the unused pieces in the box on the right side? |
| 14:57:52 | XavierXeon | darienm: those pices on the page are just for test purposes. i will work on the style later, when the engine works) |
| 14:58:43 | XavierXeon | the box on the left is for pieces thrown ot of the game. pieces you have brought "home" will either be removed or shown below) |
| 14:59:24 | XavierXeon | wanders why he end sentences with brackets |
| 14:59:34 | darienm | was a backgammon champion in grade school -- but that was over 20 years ago -- and I've completely forgotten how to play. |
| 15:00:00 | rikkus | learned how to play last week |
| 15:00:05 | rikkus | quite interesting game |
| 15:00:44 | XavierXeon | darienm: normally you put pieces thrown out of the game on the middle ridge, but due to limited space i deceided to make an extra box on the right |
| 15:01:06 | darienm | I don't see a box on the left and another on the right. Only one on the right. |
| 15:01:39 | XavierXeon | player 1 starts on the upper right corner and player to on the lower right corner |
| 15:01:48 | XavierXeon | player 2 that is |
| 15:01:57 | darienm | I can read up on the rules elsewhere. |
| 15:02:21 | XavierXeon | http://www.bkgm.com/rules.html |
| 15:06:50 | BigBoss | my wife and I play backgammon a lot - it's pretty fun |
| 15:10:25 | XavierXeon | i see there is demand for the game. i should sell it when its completed :) |
| 15:12:25 | Cloudchaser | holy toledo!! some how.. some way.. .i got it working! |
| 15:12:51 | Cloudchaser | i think the usbdnet.o file was no good and i copied it from custom folder and voila! |
| 15:12:57 | Cloudchaser | it insmod! |
| 15:13:07 | Cloudchaser | got the echo error but who cares it works! |
| 15:13:09 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 15:13:45 | xcZ | when i rm a file i get: no space left on device. what should i do? |
| 15:13:49 | XavierXeon | Cloudchaser: i think everyone gets the echo error ;-) |
| 15:14:06 | Cloudchaser | yes i read about that |
| 15:14:17 | Cloudchaser | but i dohn't know if my failed make modules will mess things up |
| 15:14:31 | Cloudchaser | because i belive i'm using the standalone module at this stage |
| 15:14:39 | Cloudchaser | had a bad day yesterday |
| 15:15:09 | rikkus | petz Cloudchaser |
| 15:15:20 | xcZ | can anyone answer? |
| 15:15:52 | rikkus | xcZ: copy everything off, format it, don't copy everything back on |
| 15:16:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe thanks rikus |
| 15:16:51 | rikkus | I spent this morning making usbdnet work |
| 15:16:57 | rikkus | just installed SuSE 8.0 |
| 15:17:05 | rikkus | managed to get hotplugging to work, finally |
| 15:17:24 | Cloudchaser | i'm about to try that |
| 15:17:30 | Cloudchaser | but i don't need the internet access part |
| 15:17:36 | Cloudchaser | just the interface config |
| 15:17:36 | XavierXeon | rikkus: just use the new suse 2.4.19 kernel rpm |
| 15:17:38 | rikkus | neither do I |
| 15:18:01 | Cloudchaser | so i do that and i can plug in the cable and unplug it with no problems? |
| 15:18:16 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: *cough* sort of :} |
| 15:18:28 | rikkus | unplug... plug in... wait.. nothing happens |
| 15:18:44 | rikkus | unplug, watch syslog, plug in... works that time |
| 15:18:55 | xcZ | rikkus: i have that problem with storage data(/dev/mtdblock4) |
| 15:18:58 | rikkus | it's not quite foolproof |
| 15:19:06 | Cloudchaser | ok do i need to do anything special to yank the plug? |
| 15:19:17 | rikkus | hmm, plug ? |
| 15:19:21 | Cloudchaser | the usb cable |
| 15:19:28 | rikkus | I was referring to putting the Z in the cradle |
| 15:19:31 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 15:19:33 | rikkus | but I suppose that's equivalent |
| 15:19:38 | Cloudchaser | what about the usb cable |
| 15:19:43 | XavierXeon | rikkus: did you follow these instuctions http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html ? |
| 15:19:45 | Cloudchaser | i plug that in only when i need it |
| 15:19:54 | rikkus | XavierXeon: no, I followed the SuSE ones |
| 15:20:04 | rikkus | which were wrong |
| 15:20:10 | rikkus | they tried, though |
| 15:20:28 | XavierXeon | rikkus: try the ones above. hotplug works nice on my suse 8 box with them |
| 15:20:31 | Cloudchaser | oki what does "fi" mean in that script? |
| 15:20:35 | rikkus | http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/jreuter_zaurus_usb.html |
| 15:20:41 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: end of an 'if' block |
| 15:20:46 | rikkus | fi is if backwards |
| 15:20:49 | rikkus | :} |
| 15:20:51 | XavierXeon | Cloudchaser: fi is the end of if |
| 15:20:56 | rikkus | case -> esac |
| 15:21:09 | Cloudchaser | ok so i need that even if i stop there and don't do the iptables |
| 15:22:15 | rikkus | doesn't a script |
| 15:22:18 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 15:22:21 | rikkus | doesn't see a script, rather |
| 15:22:39 | rikkus | oh, on that ethernet-over-usb page |
| 15:22:44 | Cloudchaser | YES |
| 15:22:45 | Cloudchaser | er |
| 15:22:46 | Cloudchaser | sorry |
| 15:22:47 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 15:23:00 | rikkus | yes, you need the fi |
| 15:23:00 | Cloudchaser | i just want everything above the fi |
| 15:23:04 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 15:23:05 | Cloudchaser | thanks |
| 15:23:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:23:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i r bck |
| 15:23:55 | xcZ | rikkus: now all is slower! |
| 15:24:23 | xcZ | rikkus: i can't format /dev/mtdblock4 because it is / |
| 15:24:51 | rikkus | xcZ: I don't know how to fix that. Ask kergoth when he's around. |
| 15:25:05 | xcZ | ok |
| 15:26:28 | darienm | XavierXeon: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/backgammon/prototype_1.png |
| 15:27:30 | darienm | XavierXeon: Need dice? |
| 15:27:50 | nasa | xcZ: why do want to format /dev/mtdblock4? |
| 15:28:04 | XavierXeon | darienm: i never thought about setting the pieces side on in the right box, good idea. |
| 15:28:14 | XavierXeon | darienm: yes dice will also be nice. |
| 15:28:31 | darienm | XavierXeon: Will the dice be placed ON the board, or in a dialog OVER the board? |
| 15:29:09 | XavierXeon | XavierXeon: the dice be below the board. above the board is an input field for the fips engine (network play) |
| 15:29:15 | darienm | haha. |
| 15:29:19 | darienm | Talking to yourself |
| 15:29:30 | XavierXeon | doh |
| 15:29:48 | darienm | XavierXeon: by "over" the board, I meant a dialog would appear directly in FRONT of the playing area when players rolled dice. |
| 15:30:02 | darienm | XavierXeon: didn't mean "on top of", as in "above" |
| 15:30:08 | xcZ | nasa: when i rm a file a get: no space left on device |
| 15:30:28 | darienm | XavierXeon: Let me rephrase. Will there be a separate dialog box displayed during the rolling of dice? |
| 15:30:42 | darienm | XavierXeon: Or would you like them to appear in an open area of the board? |
| 15:31:06 | XavierXeon | darienm: not sure. but a dialog with a green backround like a casine table to roll dice would be cool. |
| 15:31:14 | XavierXeon | casino table that is |
| 15:31:17 | darienm | XavierXeon: That's sort of what I was thinking. |
| 15:33:07 | nasa | xcZ: you using the sharp rom? |
| 15:33:41 | XavierXeon | no i will put the dice under the board (with the green casino table bg). so you dont have a dialog in fromt of you after you rolled the dice and can think about your next move |
| 15:37:43 | xcZ | nasa: no i'm using oz |
| 15:37:57 | Prodigy | heya all |
| 15:38:26 | nasa | xcZ: have you tried a hard reset? |
| 15:38:32 | Prodigy | Does anyone know if it's possible to extend the *internal* memory of the Zaurus SL-5500? Or are there various versions of the SL-5500 with different memory amounts? |
| 15:39:08 | xcZ | nasa: you mean full reset? |
| 15:39:51 | nasa | xcZ: yes |
| 15:40:39 | TheMasterMind1 | Prodigy nope and nope |
| 15:40:58 | TheMasterMind1 | you can get a sd/cf card though |
| 15:41:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ you there/ |
| 15:41:33 | Prodigy | sd = secure digital? |
| 15:41:43 | Prodigy | the next of the multimedia cards? |
| 15:42:04 | Prodigy | and what is faster/better? sd or cf? |
| 15:43:46 | XavierXeon | normally sd is faster, but not on a zaurus |
| 15:44:02 | treke|home | cf==faster. sd==doesnt take up a slot you might want for a nic. At least on the zaurus |
| 15:44:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:44:15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 15:44:20 | Prodigy | sd takes in the slot for pcmcia? |
| 15:44:25 | TheMasterMind1 | on pdas, sd's are slow |
| 15:44:34 | Prodigy | ah ok, so I should buy cf memory? |
| 15:44:36 | TheMasterMind1 | Prodigy no, there are two slots. one for sd/mmc and one for cf |
| 15:44:53 | TheMasterMind1 | Prodigy for normal use, sd is fine.. for video's and music cf is better |
| 15:44:58 | TheMasterMind1 | though it works fine from sd also |
| 15:44:59 | Prodigy | yeah, but what did treke mean: " sd==doesnt take up a slot you might want for a nic. At least on the zaurus" |
| 15:45:01 | TheMasterMind1 | in my experience |
| 15:45:15 | TheMasterMind1 | Prodigy that means sd won't take up your cf slot which you can use for a nic card |
| 15:45:24 | Prodigy | nic = network interface card right? |
| 15:45:27 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 15:45:30 | TheMasterMind1 | a cf network card |
| 15:45:34 | TheMasterMind1 | wired or wireless |
| 15:45:35 | treke|home | Prodigy: It means if you use a cf card, you cant have a network card in at the same time. SD has its own slot |
| 15:45:37 | xcZ | nasa: i did full reset but it's the same as before |
| 15:45:37 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe a cf modem |
| 15:45:48 | Prodigy | so the zaurus hasn't got pcmcia slots? |
| 15:45:53 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 15:45:59 | TheMasterMind1 | what pda does? |
| 15:46:07 | treke|home | Prodigy: no |
| 15:46:10 | TheMasterMind1 | cf is basically a modified,smaller pcmcia |
| 15:46:12 | Prodigy | so, if I want wifi in my zaurus, I need to buy a wifi lan device for cf? |
| 15:46:12 | XavierXeon | ipaq with the right jacket |
| 15:46:21 | treke|home | Prodigy: you could get a pcmcia -> cf adapert though |
| 15:46:21 | TheMasterMind1 | Prodigy yes, you need a cf wifi card |
| 15:46:31 | TheMasterMind1 | that woudl get REALLY bulky |
| 15:46:34 | Prodigy | hmm.. then I'll have to buy sd |
| 15:46:38 | TheMasterMind1 | get a linksys wcf12 |
| 15:46:40 | TheMasterMind1 | from buy.com |
| 15:46:44 | TheMasterMind1 | its 62$ shipped |
| 15:46:50 | Prodigy | the problem is I'm from the netherlands.. |
| 15:46:51 | TheMasterMind1 | and the sd cards are cheap on buy.com too |
| 15:46:57 | Prodigy | I don't know if they ship to holland too |
| 15:46:58 | TheMasterMind1 | buy.com ships worldwide.. |
| 15:47:01 | TheMasterMind1 | check |
| 15:47:07 | Prodigy | really? does it have the sl-5500 too? |
| 15:48:02 | Prodigy | omg! it has it |
| 15:48:16 | Prodigy | thanks for all the help here, i'm out for dinner now, bye |
| 15:50:45 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 15:56:08 | nasa | xcZ: only thing else I could suggest is reflashing the Z |
| 15:56:16 | fatbum | simpletech sd work? |
| 15:57:11 | darienm | XavierXeon: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/backgammon/prototype_2.png |
| 15:57:50 | Onyx4 | darienm: nice |
| 15:57:59 | darienm | Onyx4: Thanks! |
| 15:58:19 | XavierXeon | darienm: could you make the dice smaller, about 3/4 of the size ? |
| 15:58:28 | darienm | XavierXeon: Certainly. |
| 15:58:42 | darienm | XavierXeon: Might be harder to read the pips,though. But I'll try. Hold on. |
| 15:59:17 | Onyx4 | do you know who's working on the pinball game for the devel contest |
| 15:59:35 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you change volume from commmand line? |
| 15:59:48 | darienm | XavierXeon: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/backgammon/prototype_2a.png (dice 75%) |
| 16:00:30 | xcZ | nasa: i don't have the initrd.bin in the cf |
| 16:00:45 | XavierXeon | darienm: yep those dice should fit under the board. i will have to give you big credits in the help file ! |
| 16:01:12 | Harlekin | darienm: nice graphics |
| 16:01:18 | darienm | XavierXeon: Give me an idea what else goes "under" the board so I can make the dice "just right". 85% seems to be much nicer. |
| 16:01:24 | nasa | xcZ: how did you get the requied files on the cf before? |
| 16:01:35 | darienm | XavierXeon: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/backgammon/prototype_2b.png (dice 85%) |
| 16:01:42 | darienm | Harlekin: Thanks ! |
| 16:01:58 | xcZ | nasa: i'm trying to upload it but usbdnet loses a lot of packets |
| 16:02:02 | Harlekin | darienm: with what done? |
| 16:02:03 | darienm | Harlekin: Browse the directory for 'board_2.png' to see another sample |
| 16:02:11 | darienm | Harlekin: Macromedia Fireworks |
| 16:02:27 | Harlekin | cool |
| 16:02:31 | Harlekin | but why so small? |
| 16:02:41 | darienm | Harlekin: http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/backgammon/backgammon.html |
| 16:03:04 | nasa | xcZ: if you are going to play with oz -- I highly suggest getting a cf reader |
| 16:03:11 | Harlekin | ah |
| 16:03:13 | Harlekin | nonrotated |
| 16:03:21 | XavierXeon | darienm: under the board ther will be 2 pair of dice and a "message" in the middle. total size of drawing are is 235x220 |
| 16:03:48 | XavierXeon | err area that is |
| 16:03:52 | darienm | XavierXeon: 2 pair of dice, or 1 pair of dice? |
| 16:04:14 | XavierXeon | darienm: 2 dice for each player |
| 16:04:28 | darienm | XavierXeon: Does the player whose turn it is NOT need to see their last dice roll? |
| 16:05:03 | xcZ | nasa: can i resolve that problem without a cf reader? |
| 16:05:09 | XavierXeon | darienm: i thought about introducing a blank dice face meaning that you already used that dice |
| 16:05:48 | darienm | XavierXeon: or just a "done" button when a turn is over, then the dice go blank until next player presses the "roll" button. |
| 16:07:02 | XavierXeon | darienm: no need for a done button, when you have moced your oieces you are "done". and dice will be rolled by pressing on them |
| 16:07:24 | Harlekin | XavierXeon: do you write special network code or do you use a lib? |
| 16:07:38 | XavierXeon | Harlekin: fibs |
| 16:08:17 | XavierXeon | darienm: i thought it would be nice if each player has his own pair of themed dice |
| 16:08:43 | Harlekin | XavierXeon: so kbackgammon port |
| 16:08:50 | Harlekin | ? |
| 16:09:13 | XavierXeon | Harlekin: yeah i just write a qtopia/opie friendly frontend |
| 16:09:31 | Harlekin | cool |
| 16:09:37 | Harlekin | including chat? |
| 16:10:04 | XavierXeon | Harlekin: i dont know if i have sufficent screen space for that |
| 16:10:16 | Harlekin | maybe 2 tabs |
| 16:10:18 | Harlekin | 1 game |
| 16:10:20 | Harlekin | 2 chat |
| 16:11:15 | XavierXeon | do you need the input field on top of kbackgammon while you are playing a fibs game ? |
| 16:13:04 | Onyx4 | just wondering if anyone got knights working when you compiled it from the GPL sources? |
| 16:13:13 | nasa | xcZ: I don't know. I use a cf reader (makes life easier) |
| 16:14:21 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 8 hours, 31 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: hehe [Sat Sep 14 08:43:16 2002] |
| 16:14:21 | prpplague | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 16:14:36 | darienm | XavierXeon: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/backgammon/prototype_3.png |
| 16:15:21 | Harlekin | nice |
| 16:15:49 | XavierXeon | darienm: that is the layout i though of ! |
| 16:16:21 | darienm | XavierXeon: Share with me your thoughts on what messages, controls need to be displayed to the players in that green area. |
| 16:16:30 | darienm | XavierXeon: But in email, please. I have to do something else now. |
| 16:16:43 | XavierXeon | darienm: i will |
| 16:16:44 | darienm | XavierXeon: Walk me through the flow of the game. |
| 16:18:21 | XavierXeon | darienm: i will send you a detailed email later when i am clear about the concept myself |
| 16:18:38 | darienm | XavierXeon: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/backgammon/prototype_3a.png |
| 16:19:04 | XavierXeon | cool |
| 16:34:25 | xcZ | how can i copy a dir in the z? |
| 16:34:35 | xcZ | cp -r doesn't work |
| 16:40:06 | XavierXeon | cp -a |
| 16:40:06 | nasa | 'cp -R' |
| 16:47:51 | smee | anyone have a nice script to run mplayer from opie that I can steal? :) |
| 16:48:11 | smee | ...or at least what's the best way to do that |
| 16:51:37 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 16:51:44 | TheMasterMind1 | which mplayer you using? |
| 16:51:45 | TheMasterMind1 | mine? |
| 16:52:08 | smee | not sure :) found it on killefiz.de |
| 16:52:12 | smee | iirc |
| 16:52:15 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 16:52:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i put out a newer one |
| 16:52:21 | TheMasterMind1 | latest mplayer |
| 16:52:24 | TheMasterMind1 | and a few quirks |
| 16:52:32 | TheMasterMind1 | it fixes screen after playing |
| 16:53:10 | smee | clears it? I get chars from the mplayer output behind my image atm |
| 16:53:26 | TheMasterMind1 | yea fixes that too |
| 16:53:32 | TheMasterMind1 | tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/mplayer_0.90pre7-1e_arm.ipk |
| 16:53:38 | smee | cool - looks like I should get that |
| 16:53:40 | TheMasterMind1 | that will setup everything |
| 16:53:44 | TheMasterMind1 | you need to remove your old one first |
| 16:53:55 | TheMasterMind1 | or delete usr/local/bin/mplayer* |
| 16:54:02 | TheMasterMind1 | removing is better |
| 16:54:04 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg remove mplayer |
| 16:54:06 | TheMasterMind1 | then install this one |
| 16:54:10 | smee | will do...thanks |
| 16:54:23 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 16:54:41 | smee | killefiz still links to the pre5 version btw |
| 16:55:17 | smee | oh...thats not you |
| 16:55:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 16:55:58 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno if this one works on sharps rom |
| 16:56:16 | TheMasterMind1 | its made for oz users |
| 16:56:21 | TheMasterMind1 | will be added to the oz feed eventually |
| 16:56:22 | smee | like me :) |
| 16:56:45 | Cloudchaser | nice and proprietary...like microsoft :) |
| 16:56:56 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 16:57:06 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser try it on your sharp rom |
| 16:57:19 | Cloudchaser | no thanks |
| 16:57:27 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:57:49 | TheMasterMind1 | we'll get sharp to use oz eventually :D |
| 16:57:54 | Cloudchaser | i have a video/music player i like just fine |
| 16:58:07 | smee | I've got tkcVideo but I have problems with badly synced sound |
| 16:58:21 | smee | ...and I like mplayer |
| 16:58:32 | smee | so I'd rather use that if I can |
| 16:58:45 | kergoth | ywns |
| 16:58:48 | TheMasterMind1 | yea mplayer rocks |
| 16:58:49 | kergoth | yawns too |
| 16:58:50 | TheMasterMind1 | movies over nfs! |
| 16:58:53 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth |
| 16:58:56 | kergoth | morning/afternoon/blah all |
| 16:58:56 | TheMasterMind1 | sup kergoth |
| 16:58:59 | Cloudchaser | sugar make kergoth coffee |
| 16:59:00 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 16:59:07 | nasa | What up kergoth |
| 16:59:14 | smee | ...now where's my wireless card gone... |
| 16:59:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i noticed you commited all that perl stuff |
| 16:59:16 | TheMasterMind1 | looks nice |
| 16:59:23 | dima | smee: can you tell me more about this sync problem ( tkcVideo ) |
| 17:00:06 | smee | dima: sure, sound lags by almost 1s |
| 17:00:14 | smee | when mplayer has no problems |
| 17:00:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I found like 12 glitches in the new template, realized why i didnt do it this way in the first damn place |
| 17:00:44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:00:46 | smee | I tries bitrates of 64 and 32k |
| 17:00:52 | dima | smee: problem apper only after seeking, or in playing too? |
| 17:00:54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth lol |
| 17:01:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i knew i had a reason :) |
| 17:01:09 | TheMasterMind1 | don't fix what ain't broke |
| 17:01:16 | kergoth | but its broke |
| 17:01:20 | kergoth | and its kludgy |
| 17:01:26 | kergoth | i think i've got a clean solution though |
| 17:01:32 | kergoth | but every .mk gets a bit uglier |
| 17:01:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:01:42 | kergoth | the template is a lot smaller, moves a couple things into the .mk |
| 17:01:47 | dima | smee: can you send me example file, I'll try to resolve this problem |
| 17:01:48 | TheMasterMind1 | you gotta sacrifice somethings |
| 17:01:52 | TheMasterMind1 | what do you havein mind |
| 17:01:53 | kergoth | but on the plus side, it forces you to know wtf is going on if you're going to write a .mk |
| 17:01:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:02:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:02:18 | TheMasterMind1 | so we're going to have to rewrite all the .mks |
| 17:02:21 | TheMasterMind1 | we'll have to do that anyway won't we |
| 17:02:34 | smee | dima: sure...where to and what other info would you like? |
| 17:02:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, but its easy, few lines changed here and there |
| 17:03:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: could almost script it |
| 17:03:26 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:04:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'll commit an example one and a doc on conversion soon, i'm fixing the interdependencies between targets so that shit happens automatically, so that if you update the binary it autocreatest the ipk again |
| 17:04:44 | dima | smee: please send me example file you have problems with ( better if sze < some Mb ) to dima@thekompany.com |
| 17:05:04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth alright. |
| 17:05:08 | TheMasterMind1 | need me to do anything? |
| 17:05:08 | dima | smee: do you have latest tkcVideo version? |
| 17:05:10 | smee | dima: I have a couple of other files with a couple of other problems I was going to post to the tkc list - I'll send them to you too ;) |
| 17:05:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nope just sit on your ass patiently while I hammer this out |
| 17:05:29 | dima | smee: thank you |
| 17:05:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I was up till fucking 5:30am |
| 17:05:44 | smee | dima: 1.5.0-19? |
| 17:05:58 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:06:17 | TheMasterMind1 | sits on his ass |
| 17:06:29 | smee | sits on his too |
| 17:06:48 | kergoth | learns more perl and make than he ever, ever, ever wanted to know |
| 17:07:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i've gone through like 4 interations of the template |
| 17:07:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: each with their own flaws |
| 17:08:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:09:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this one is the best to date though. thankfully it hasnt gotten any worse, because i havent been working in cvs to track its progress |
| 17:10:06 | cranchy | so Kergoth: that thing you were talking about last night that would rip the Hancom packages and stuff? that just builds an initrd.bin? |
| 17:10:22 | TheMasterMind1 | its called the buildroot |
| 17:10:25 | TheMasterMind1 | its the core of oz |
| 17:10:33 | kergoth | cranchy: make openzaurus; builds an initrd.bin .. make hancom downloads the sharp rom, rips it apart, mounts it, and creates an ipk |
| 17:10:36 | TheMasterMind1 | basically, it has make files for each app that is included in oz |
| 17:10:43 | TheMasterMind1 | and creates ipks and makes an initrd.bin |
| 17:10:48 | cranchy | cool |
| 17:10:56 | TheMasterMind1 | hancomsheet is one of those .mk but it doesn't not put it in the initrd.bin |
| 17:10:58 | TheMasterMind1 | just creates an ipk |
| 17:11:00 | TheMasterMind1 | for personal use |
| 17:11:07 | cranchy | oh... |
| 17:11:18 | cranchy | do the scripts that benmeyer wrote do the same thing? |
| 17:11:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kindof |
| 17:11:32 | TheMasterMind1 | that runs on the zaurus |
| 17:11:35 | TheMasterMind1 | and gets it and makes an ipk |
| 17:11:41 | TheMasterMind1 | but the ipk doesn't install well on oz |
| 17:11:51 | TheMasterMind1 | this actually gets the rom image from sharp's site, mounts it and rips a oz compatible ipk |
| 17:11:58 | kergoth | we can improve his scripts to build a better ipk.. |
| 17:12:04 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 17:12:06 | kergoth | its basically two approaches for the same damn thing, up to you which to use |
| 17:12:07 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 17:12:09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth |
| 17:12:09 | TheMasterMind1 | also |
| 17:12:16 | TheMasterMind1 | someone wrote a better packaging util |
| 17:12:21 | TheMasterMind1 | works much better than ipkg |
| 17:12:21 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:13:06 | nasa | ?? |
| 17:13:13 | cranchy | ??? |
| 17:13:34 | cranchy | what do you need to run that buildroot deal... |
| 17:13:40 | cranchy | I've got linux on my laptop |
| 17:14:06 | TheMasterMind1 | cranchy get it from cvs and just run make openzaurus-minimal |
| 17:14:14 | jbardin | is there a qt ini file class? |
| 17:14:15 | TheMasterMind1 | but not right now |
| 17:14:15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:14:15 | TheMasterMind1 | its kinda borked |
| 17:14:21 | cranchy | okay |
| 17:14:27 | cranchy | brb...gotta boot to linux |
| 17:14:28 | kergoth | cranchy: i'll have it fixed soon |
| 17:14:37 | cranchy | oh |
| 17:14:38 | cranchy | haha |
| 17:14:39 | cranchy | nevermind then |
| 17:14:40 | cranchy | :) |
| 17:15:09 | smee | TheMasterMind1: what options do you run mplayer with? -quiet -fs? |
| 17:15:36 | TheMasterMind1 | yea a few other stuff too |
| 17:15:41 | TheMasterMind1 | cat usr/bin/mplayer |
| 17:15:59 | smee | ah...ok...thought that was the binary |
| 17:16:10 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayerx -vo fbdev -ao oss -framedrop -fs -quiet $* && mplayer-refresh && clear |
| 17:16:16 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not right actualy |
| 17:16:18 | TheMasterMind1 | its changed |
| 17:16:19 | TheMasterMind1 | in the latest |
| 17:16:24 | smee | looks |
| 17:16:29 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayerx -vo fbdev -ao oss -framedrop -fs -quiet $* && clear; mplayer-refresh |
| 17:16:35 | TheMasterMind1 | thats it iirc |
| 17:16:48 | TheMasterMind1 | i've noticed that -fs doesn't work in some cases |
| 17:16:53 | cranchy | so I won't go reflashing yet |
| 17:17:00 | TheMasterMind1 | when the movie is the exact size of the z's screen |
| 17:17:02 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't like -fs |
| 17:17:06 | TheMasterMind1 | weird.. |
| 17:17:27 | smee | thanks...and you customarily run that from opie? |
| 17:17:37 | smee | from a terminal |
| 17:17:43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 17:17:45 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't have to |
| 17:17:53 | TheMasterMind1 | but it works just fine |
| 17:17:59 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, there's a few problems still |
| 17:18:02 | TheMasterMind1 | ksd is working on it |
| 17:18:11 | TheMasterMind1 | he's writing a fullscreen app |
| 17:18:15 | TheMasterMind1 | which mplayer can run on top of |
| 17:18:15 | smee | cool...when mplayer exits my terminal size is wrong.... as if the handwriting pane was up when it's not |
| 17:18:30 | TheMasterMind1 | so that the clock and other stuff doesn't overwrite on top of mplayer |
| 17:18:39 | TheMasterMind1 | smee yea i noticed that too.. can you figure out why? |
| 17:18:52 | TheMasterMind1 | if you bring up handwriting and then take it away |
| 17:18:53 | TheMasterMind1 | its fine |
| 17:18:58 | TheMasterMind1 | fixes it.. |
| 17:19:01 | smee | yeah - noticed that |
| 17:19:04 | TheMasterMind1 | but i don't know why its causing that |
| 17:19:04 | smee | little odd |
| 17:21:01 | BigBoss | if you can figure it out let me know so we can put that feature into tkcVideo and make sure we can keep at the same level of functionality as mplayer :) |
| 17:22:03 | TheMasterMind1 | figure what out? |
| 17:22:12 | cranchy | tkcMail coming out soon :P |
| 17:22:12 | smee | no...cool - looks good...little flickering around the clock, and still some textual garbage at either side of my 320x176 image, but no syncing problem and easier to use than my previous mplayer version |
| 17:22:45 | TheMasterMind1 | smee yea the full screen app will fix the text around the video also |
| 17:22:54 | smee | yeah...excellent |
| 17:22:56 | TheMasterMind1 | along with the flickering caused by the clock and battery etc |
| 17:23:14 | BigBoss | cranchy: it's in beta 4 and beta5 will be out towards the end of this upcoming week |
| 17:23:19 | BigBoss | just depends on how that new beta goes |
| 17:23:36 | TheMasterMind1 | we might even run mplayer from within the c program that does the full screen |
| 17:23:37 | BigBoss | everyone has different types of IMAP requirements, so the beta's are shaking out some good stuff |
| 17:23:45 | TheMasterMind1 | then after it exits we can jsut refresh also |
| 17:23:49 | TheMasterMind1 | without having ot call another program |
| 17:23:54 | cranchy | cool |
| 17:24:11 | TheMasterMind1 | heck, even get someone to write a frontend to select a file and give checkboxes with various mplayer options |
| 17:24:19 | cranchy | I bought tkcVideo and have watched no movies on it :P |
| 17:24:20 | TheMasterMind1 | someone wanna do that :D ? |
| 17:24:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ksd might |
| 17:24:25 | cranchy | I need some to watch first :P |
| 17:24:30 | TheMasterMind1 | cranchy heh |
| 17:24:34 | TheMasterMind1 | cranchy pocketmovies.net |
| 17:24:46 | cranchy | I meant long movies :P |
| 17:24:56 | BigBoss | yes, pocketmovies.net is one of the best sources of movies already set to go for the zaurus |
| 17:25:05 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:25:07 | BigBoss | Onyx4 had a nice script for some tool to reformat movies |
| 17:25:22 | BigBoss | i haven't tried it yet though |
| 17:25:23 | jbardin | so no one knwos of a ini file class |
| 17:25:26 | smee | I'm using that |
| 17:25:47 | Onyx4 | BigBoss: the one that uses trancode or mencoder? I made two |
| 17:26:04 | Onyx4 | I prefer the mencoder one personally |
| 17:26:08 | TheMasterMind1 | mencoder! |
| 17:26:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 sup |
| 17:26:12 | Onyx4 | faster and better sound :) |
| 17:26:36 | TheMasterMind1 | so any other apps people are looking to get ported/added to oz's feed? |
| 17:27:00 | cranch | Onyx4: theres a script that will allow us to convert movies to the Z? |
| 17:27:00 | smee | transcode one good for me although maybe those tkcVideo probs are related |
| 17:27:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth who built that latest konq/e that's in the normal oz feed |
| 17:27:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: groucho, aka Oliver Fels |
| 17:27:23 | nasa | Onyx4: were is this script? |
| 17:27:28 | Onyx4 | smee: yes the transcode script cannot do mono sound, so it's slower to playback |
| 17:27:32 | | mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert my movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 17:27:32 | Onyx4 | ibot: mencoder |
| 17:27:36 | Onyx4 | there you go |
| 17:27:53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth alright, still needs to be added to the buildroot yes? |
| 17:27:56 | smee | Onyx4: you prefer to have mono? |
| 17:28:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 17:28:06 | Onyx4 | yes for both quality and speed reasons |
| 17:28:22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do you get to be a project admin :D |
| 17:28:22 | Onyx4 | at lower bitrate mono has less artifacts then stereo |
| 17:28:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oi, i've got a weird ass bug in the new buildroot |
| 17:28:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: really fucking weird |
| 17:28:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: driving me nuts |
| 17:28:38 | Onyx4 | you can get two crappy stereo channels or one good mono :) |
| 17:29:09 | cranch | brb |
| 17:29:20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth did you mess with hotplug any? |
| 17:29:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fyi, the new setup here will handle make -j and make -l .. and i'll add distcc and ccache support |
| 17:29:29 | smee | valid point :) maybe I try mencoder |
| 17:29:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nope, havent had a chance |
| 17:29:37 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, i'll mess with that |
| 17:29:40 | TheMasterMind1 | bbiaf |
| 17:29:56 | smee | but for now I just want to get to the stage where I can watch a movie all the way through :) |
| 17:30:09 | ljp_ | get a vcr |
| 17:30:27 | smee | CF vcr? ;) |
| 17:30:35 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 1 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: TheMasterMind1: nope, havent had a chance [Sat Sep 14 18:29:31 2002] |
| 17:30:35 | jbardin | ibot seen kergoth |
| 17:31:05 | jbardin | kergoth i was browsing the cvs of opie... noticed you might have done some changes to config.cpp and config.h |
| 17:31:15 | jbardin | do you know where there is any documentation on this class? |
| 17:31:33 | kergoth | jbardin: look in the qtopia sdk. |
| 17:31:40 | kergoth | jbardin: there are docs generated from the code on the api |
| 17:31:59 | smee | ah it's the battery applet that causes the flickering rather than the clock for me |
| 17:32:05 | jbardin | qtopia sdk? does that come in the rpm thing? |
| 17:32:07 | TheMasterMind1 | smee yea, when its plugged in |
| 17:32:09 | TheMasterMind1 | its a pain |
| 17:32:12 | kergoth | jbardin: yep |
| 17:32:14 | | ksd was last seen on #zaurus 16 hours, 52 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: hi TheMasterMind1 [Sat Sep 14 01:39:46 2002] |
| 17:32:14 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen ksd |
| 17:32:18 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:32:20 | TheMasterMind1 | that's long ago |
| 17:32:31 | smee | unplugs...aha! :) |
| 17:32:39 | smee | oh it suspended :) |
| 17:32:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:36:54 | smee | watches 320x176 image in preference to 1400 or so |
| 17:48:27 | smee | TheMasterMind1: fyi changing the mplayerx invocation to mplayerx -vo fbdev -ao oss -framedrop -fs -quiet > /dev/null 2>&1 $* in /usr/bin/mplayer gets rid of the texty mess at the top and bottom of my image |
| 17:51:26 | smee | but I guess it's not wise to have that as standard |
| 17:52:32 | kergoth | smee: have /usr/bin/mplayer parse the cmdline for a -debug flag, if it sees it, dont >/dev/null 2>&1, if it does not, do. |
| 17:52:47 | kergoth | smee: then you can always specify to display the messages with /usr/bin/mplayer -debug :-) |
| 17:52:54 | smee | yeah that's good |
| 17:52:55 | kergoth | smee: or something along those lines |
| 17:53:38 | Bovine | hmm, I'm trying to get the qpe-rotate packages installed on OZ |
| 17:53:52 | Bovine | ipkg doesn't seem to like qpe-settings however :/ |
| 17:53:54 | kergoth | Bovine: why not isntall the opie-rotate package? |
| 17:53:57 | TheMasterMind1 | smee yea.. we need error messages to show |
| 17:54:00 | kergoth | Bovine: since you're using opie. |
| 17:54:07 | Bovine | ahh |
| 17:54:14 | | i guess oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 17:54:14 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed |
| 17:54:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do you disable suspending |
| 17:54:14 | Bovine | didn't know it existed |
| 17:54:16 | kergoth | look there |
| 17:54:24 | Bovine | thanks :) |
| 17:54:26 | kergoth | Bovine: look at the packages in the oz feed |
| 17:54:30 | kergoth | np |
| 17:54:40 | TheMasterMind1 | we really need apm applet |
| 17:54:46 | Bovine | does it work well as a matter of interest? |
| 17:54:46 | TheMasterMind1 | change the battery so its more useful |
| 17:54:53 | TheMasterMind1 | lets you change light on the fly |
| 17:54:57 | TheMasterMind1 | and also lets you enable/disable suspend |
| 17:55:10 | TheMasterMind1 | make it likethe volume app |
| 17:55:17 | smee | that'd be nice |
| 17:55:19 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of the stupid battery thing that pops up |
| 17:57:28 | smee | that's big and has not much info on it |
| 17:57:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 17:57:55 | TheMasterMind1 | its useless |
| 17:58:00 | TheMasterMind1 | especially since apm has only 4 levels |
| 17:58:03 | TheMasterMind1 | speaking of which.. |
| 17:58:04 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:58:26 | smee | that'll change if oz gets a newer kernel? |
| 17:58:33 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 17:58:35 | TheMasterMind1 | not if, when |
| 17:58:52 | TheMasterMind1 | you just have to bother kergoth enough |
| 17:58:54 | TheMasterMind1 | and it'll get done |
| 17:58:58 | TheMasterMind1 | ;oP |
| 17:59:07 | kergoth | yeah, the battery shit is my next step after i beat this makefile into submission and wade back out of makefile hell |
| 17:59:12 | kergoth | is knee deep in makefiles |
| 17:59:34 | smee | shudders at the thought of makefile hell |
| 17:59:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm here if you need me to do slavework |
| 18:00:22 | TheMasterMind1 | though, i've noticed you usually end up rewriting half the stuff i do |
| 18:00:23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:00:26 | TheMasterMind1 | but i'm getting better |
| 18:00:39 | kergoth | dood, i rewrite half the shit i do too ;-) |
| 18:00:42 | Bovine | hmm, it's not possible to rotate the terminal? |
| 18:01:06 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 18:01:08 | TheMasterMind1 | Bovine in sharp? |
| 18:01:16 | Bovine | OZ |
| 18:01:16 | kergoth | Bovine: rotating the terminal works fine |
| 18:01:28 | kergoth | Bovine: you must restart opie after using the rotation applet |
| 18:01:31 | kergoth | s/applet/app/ |
| 18:01:33 | smee | Bovine: I think that opera is the only thing that cant be rotated that I've come across |
| 18:01:38 | Bovine | ahh |
| 18:01:56 | Bovine | restarts |
| 18:01:58 | Bovine | somethings roated after configuring it soo... |
| 18:02:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:02:03 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 18:02:10 | TheMasterMind1 | oipkg insisits on installing wget |
| 18:02:10 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 18:02:18 | TheMasterMind1 | and its fucked up when you try to install to ram |
| 18:02:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate it so much |
| 18:02:27 | TheMasterMind1 | need to try out this new package manager |
| 18:02:32 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:02:38 | kergoth | that has nothing to do with oipkg |
| 18:02:40 | kergoth | or ipkg, really |
| 18:02:48 | TheMasterMind1 | sure it does. their handling of shit sucks |
| 18:02:50 | kergoth | its the nature of the beast. we have two packages that provide wget |
| 18:02:52 | kergoth | no, it doesnt. |
| 18:02:58 | kergoth | we have both wget and busybox |
| 18:03:01 | kergoth | both provide wget |
| 18:03:07 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i know that |
| 18:03:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i wasn't refering to that |
| 18:03:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i know about that.. its just annoying |
| 18:03:23 | kergoth | when it needs wget, it prefers the package actually named 'wget' to the other one that provides it |
| 18:03:30 | TheMasterMind1 | but the other stupid shit that ipkg and oipkg really piss me off |
| 18:03:31 | Bovine | hrm, restarted opie, terminal still won't start up :/. The whole screen is rotated however.. |
| 18:03:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: such as? I havent found anything beyond its handling of dest's |
| 18:03:52 | TheMasterMind1 | that's about it |
| 18:03:54 | kergoth | Bovine: 'wont start up'? |
| 18:04:01 | TheMasterMind1 | plus remember when you tried sorting out ipks |
| 18:04:05 | TheMasterMind1 | and it wouldn't do the dir stuff |
| 18:04:18 | Bovine | yeah, I "tap" it, and nothing happens :/ |
| 18:04:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:04:32 | TheMasterMind1 | do you already have it open? |
| 18:04:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i just tried it and it works |
| 18:04:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ipkg needs symlink functionalityi built in, and it needs to upgrade packages installed to all dests properly, and it needs to recognize that when multiple ipks are specified on a single command line, they may satisfy one another's dependencies |
| 18:04:44 | TheMasterMind1 | its a little hard to type.. |
| 18:05:02 | kergoth | goddamnit, it keeps forcing a recompile of busybox |
| 18:05:03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yea, that sounds like a good buglist |
| 18:05:06 | kergoth | every time i run it |
| 18:05:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:05:11 | Bovine | plus the items in the menu don't show text... |
| 18:05:15 | TheMasterMind1 | how are you handling that? |
| 18:05:18 | kergoth | Bovine: they work fine here as well |
| 18:05:24 | kergoth | Bovine: sounds like you forgot to install the rotated fonts |
| 18:05:29 | kergoth | Bovine: ipkg install qt-embedded-rotation |
| 18:05:29 | TheMasterMind1 | what should make it not recompile busybox |
| 18:05:32 | Bovine | kergoth: ding |
| 18:05:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it shouldnt when the ipk already exists... |
| 18:05:40 | Bovine | that'll be it then :) |
| 18:05:48 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:05:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: or when the staginginstall stamp is newer than the binary one.. |
| 18:05:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but its buliding *eVERY* damn time |
| 18:06:01 | TheMasterMind1 | smack it |
| 18:06:02 | TheMasterMind1 | and then fix the bug |
| 18:06:10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, i've smacked it a few times, doesnt help |
| 18:06:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:06:20 | kergoth | make lacks some features i need |
| 18:06:32 | kergoth | but I'd had to use automake or autoconf for the buildroot,t alk about overkil |
| 18:06:35 | kergoth | er |
| 18:06:37 | kergoth | s/had/hate/ |
| 18:06:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:07:39 | Bovine | hmm, I have qt-embedded-rotation installed |
| 18:07:54 | kergoth | dunno what to tell ya, its always worked here |
| 18:08:04 | kergoth | as long as i restart after changing the rotation anyway |
| 18:09:09 | Speedy2 | re |
| 18:09:24 | smee | TheMasterMind1: mplayer-refresh reports: QDir::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/fontfactories |
| 18:09:41 | TheMasterMind1 | everything does that |
| 18:09:42 | smee | am I missing a thing? |
| 18:09:42 | TheMasterMind1 | its stupid |
| 18:09:48 | kergoth | smee: harmless, no worries |
| 18:09:49 | TheMasterMind1 | it should still work |
| 18:09:58 | smee | ah...hadnt seen it before...ok thanks |
| 18:10:02 | kergoth | that error is annoying, we should include an empty fontfactories dir in opie-base or something |
| 18:10:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:10:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ahahah |
| 18:10:22 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 18:10:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i love this |
| 18:10:29 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Found out my problem. A/D was running at 1/64 system clock and 8 conversions took more than interrupt timer hit |
| 18:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | keypebble |
| 18:10:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i can spy on my brother's computer |
| 18:10:37 | TheMasterMind1 | and the computer downstairs |
| 18:10:38 | kergoth | Speedy2: ahh |
| 18:10:41 | TheMasterMind1 | watch what people are doing |
| 18:10:43 | TheMasterMind1 | read ims |
| 18:10:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hehehehehehehhehehehehe |
| 18:11:02 | TheMasterMind1 | even reboot! |
| 18:11:29 | Speedy2 | kergoth: 13 A/D clocks for a conversion, 8 conversions = 104 A/D clocks. Timer interrupt frequency was 28.8kHz and sys clk = 7372800, A/D CLK was 115200 |
| 18:11:37 | Bovine | ahh, I have an old(er) version of qt-embedded-rotation |
| 18:11:40 | Speedy2 | Basically an oversight on my part! heh |
| 18:11:53 | Speedy2 | (But GCC still did generate crappy code so I'm using my ASM routine) |
| 18:12:17 | TheMasterMind1 | its like an exciting movie! |
| 18:12:21 | TheMasterMind1 | cept not |
| 18:12:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what's the ETA on the new kernel |
| 18:12:46 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Ya hear? NetBSD 1.6 was released! Coolio. What are you up to |
| 18:13:07 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah i heard.. nifty. right now, i'm knee deep in makefiles, unfortunately |
| 18:13:15 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Makefiles suck. |
| 18:13:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: a ways off, i dont have a lot of time to allocate to it |
| 18:13:25 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 18:13:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll help with it |
| 18:13:50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: in a few mins I have to clean the house, and go out, get some shit done. i should be able to work on it some later |
| 18:13:51 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Linux kernel Makefiles or Makefiles for other stuff? |
| 18:14:01 | Speedy2 | Who would have imagined that compiling a project would be so complicated? |
| 18:14:11 | kergoth | other makefiles |
| 18:14:20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:14:21 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 18:14:26 | Speedy2 | Pretty sad frankly. |
| 18:14:26 | kergoth | the lame ass hacked up OZ buildroot which obtains and builds everything in OZ, is being a pain |
| 18:14:37 | TheMasterMind1 | my brother is having some weird im conversations.. |
| 18:16:07 | TheMasterMind1 | is this makefile business close to being fixed? |
| 18:16:13 | Bovine | raa, it was the version of qt-embed-rotate :) |
| 18:16:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 18:17:18 | TheMasterMind1 | that's good |
| 18:17:47 | TheMasterMind1 | my brother can't spell worth shit |
| 18:21:34 | prpplague | kergoth: sounds like your in a good mood, lol |
| 18:21:46 | kergoth | ohh yeah |
| 18:22:10 | prpplague | offers kergoth a nice pint of quality brew |
| 18:22:26 | prpplague | kergoth: at least your not at the office |
| 18:23:17 | jbardin | kergoth... so do i need to explicitly tell it to write to the file... |
| 18:23:25 | jbardin | and could you clear up what the 'User' domain is? |
| 18:24:49 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 18:24:51 | TheMasterMind1 | kjei92 |
| 18:25:04 | kergoth | prpplague: good point, being home is much preferred over the office |
| 18:25:11 | kergoth | jbardin: I dont recall off the top of my head, I'd have to read the code again |
| 18:25:34 | jbardin | hmm, are objects auto destroy at the end of program execution? |
| 18:25:43 | kergoth | jbardin: yes |
| 18:25:50 | jbardin | allrighty then |
| 18:26:01 | jbardin | cause the destructor rights the settings |
| 18:26:13 | jbardin | but i dont know where it goes when it is in the domain Config::User |
| 18:30:58 | Twiun | evening' |
| 18:31:07 | TheMasterMind1 | sex. |
| 18:31:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: check this |
| 18:31:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its completely working for a single target |
| 18:31:34 | TheMasterMind1 | goes into checking mode |
| 18:31:39 | Twiun | kergoth: good news... NWN under wine rocks! |
| 18:31:49 | TheMasterMind1 | nwn? |
| 18:31:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its not autobuilding dependencies .. to build libc before busybox.. but thats an easy addition |
| 18:31:51 | kergoth | Twiun: sweet! |
| 18:31:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: neverwinter nights |
| 18:31:58 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 18:32:04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth nice |
| 18:32:08 | kergoth | make -f configs/busybox.mk; |
| 18:32:10 | TheMasterMind1 | what else is left? |
| 18:32:10 | kergoth | make[1]: Nothing to be done for `busybox'. |
| 18:32:12 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:32:14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:32:28 | kergoth | looks cleaner than 'entering .. ' .. 'leaving...' when it had nothing to do |
| 18:32:30 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:32:31 | Twiun | kergoth: no special config... just used the latest wine rpm and copied NWN via samba ;-) |
| 18:32:36 | kergoth | Twiun: impressive |
| 18:32:40 | kergoth | Twiun: i'll have to throw it in now |
| 18:32:56 | TheMasterMind1 | brags about his openzaurus developer status |
| 18:32:58 | MS_away | dammit Twiun |
| 18:33:00 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:33:03 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 18:33:05 | Twiun | kergoth: mind you, nvidia drivers help... oh and use the opengl build of wine |
| 18:33:07 | MS_away | heya kergoth |
| 18:33:15 | Twiun | MS_away: Hehe, something else to distract you? |
| 18:33:27 | MS_away | Twiun: yes |
| 18:33:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth finish it up and commit, i'll take care of porting all the mks to the new sys |
| 18:33:49 | MS_away | my ex keeps threatening to buy the linux version for me when it coems out |
| 18:33:57 | TheMasterMind1 | wha? |
| 18:34:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hold on, i need to add support for autobuilding dependencies.. right now to build busybox you'd have to 'make libc6 busybox' for example |
| 18:34:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 18:34:17 | kergoth | MS_away: i'm confused, this is bad? |
| 18:34:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:34:33 | TheMasterMind1 | tthat makes no sense |
| 18:34:46 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:34:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:34:48 | TheMasterMind1 | how is that a threat |
| 18:34:59 | Twiun | MS_away: yeah.. I thought the linux client would be downloadable - you'd still have to buy the winblows version |
| 18:35:15 | TheMasterMind1 | oh the linux version of the game.. |
| 18:35:19 | TheMasterMind1 | but how is that a threat |
| 18:35:25 | TheMasterMind1 | and why does your ex buy you stuff |
| 18:35:31 | MS_away | kergoth: not at all..... |
| 18:35:38 | MS_away | Twiun: true |
| 18:36:19 | MS_away | really is away for the moment |
| 18:36:23 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: maybe his wife's tired of not being able to play in a team... |
| 18:36:31 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 18:36:50 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought he meant ex girlfriend |
| 18:37:09 | Twiun | my bad ;-) |
| 18:37:10 | MS_away | well, ex boyfriend, actually |
| 18:37:19 | Twiun | I should read more carefully |
| 18:37:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 18:37:28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:37:36 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i'm the youngest here |
| 18:37:39 | Twiun | thinks about that for a bit... |
| 18:37:55 | Twiun | nah, I think I'll keep interpreting people's chat in my own way... |
| 18:38:03 | Twiun | makes it more hillarious when I get it wrong |
| 18:38:07 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 18:38:21 | MS_away | hehe |
| 18:38:34 | TheMasterMind1 | MS_away how old are you? |
| 18:38:34 | Twiun | in any case... I'd best be off and back into nwn... later chaps (and chapettes!) |
| 18:38:40 | MS_away | TheMasterMind1: 22 |
| 18:38:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how old are you? |
| 18:38:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 22 also |
| 18:39:01 | Twiun | is 24... and departs... |
| 18:39:04 | Twiun | waves |
| 18:39:09 | kergoth | ttyl Twiun |
| 18:42:46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth dependencies are all that's left/ |
| 18:43:05 | kergoth | yeah, but they're going to be a bitch |
| 18:43:13 | kergoth | let me think about how to implement it for a sec |
| 18:43:46 | TheMasterMind1 | recursion! |
| 18:44:01 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid docking station doesn't have a headphone jack |
| 18:44:01 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 18:44:05 | untorn | does anyone here know what happens when selected sd or cf in the gui installer? |
| 18:44:13 | TheMasterMind1 | untorn it install to that place |
| 18:44:13 | kergoth | untorn: hm? |
| 18:44:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:45:06 | TheMasterMind1 | lkjsdf |
| 18:45:06 | TheMasterMind1 | 2 |
| 18:45:28 | kergoth | fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:45:41 | TheMasterMind1 | uh oh |
| 18:45:42 | kergoth | if i implement it the way i did before, it'll rebuild the package every type you run make, like it was before |
| 18:45:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:45:48 | kergoth | s/type/time/ |
| 18:45:53 | untorn | what if I make package foo/mnt/card/file and select install to sd card will it install /mnt/card/mnt/card/file? |
| 18:45:54 | TheMasterMind1 | is there a way around that.. |
| 18:45:56 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't thin kthere is |
| 18:46:09 | TheMasterMind1 | untorn yes. |
| 18:46:24 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll have to track which dependencies have been made already |
| 18:46:28 | TheMasterMind1 | like it was doing before with that file |
| 18:46:32 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, does it update cvs and bk? |
| 18:46:50 | TheMasterMind1 | and if it does, we need a way to make sure it doesn't redo that during a dependency building |
| 18:46:54 | TheMasterMind1 | etc |
| 18:47:19 | kergoth | yeah, but lets go for basic right now |
| 18:47:21 | kergoth | like making it fucking wok |
| 18:47:23 | untorn | so I have to make foo/app/file ipk and if I select sd in qinstall it will install /mnt/card/app/file ? |
| 18:47:23 | kergoth | work |
| 18:47:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:47:56 | kergoth | untorn: this isnt that hard to understand. instead of installing /path/to/file it installs /mnt/card/path/to/file, for every file in the ipk |
| 18:48:11 | kergoth | untorn: assuming sd |
| 18:48:13 | kergoth | hey oGMo |
| 18:48:48 | TheMasterMind1 | oGMo wassssssabi bitch |
| 18:48:52 | oGMo | hey kergoth, sup |
| 18:48:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: take a look at configs/busybox-new.mk |
| 18:49:04 | kergoth | nada, in makefile hell |
| 18:49:09 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: not much ho', you? |
| 18:49:19 | untorn | kergoth: not to upset you with redundency I just rather know everything I can about the app to avoid errors |
| 18:49:20 | oGMo | hehe i hate makefiles |
| 18:49:27 | kergoth | getting annoyed with pure gnu make's limitations |
| 18:49:56 | oGMo | would suggest automake, but you already know that ;) |
| 18:50:07 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:50:23 | oGMo | any specific problems or just general issues? |
| 18:50:35 | kergoth | just general shit |
| 18:50:49 | kergoth | i want a target to require a certain dir to exist, but not care whether or not it has been updated |
| 18:51:10 | kergoth | so it cant be a prerequisite, or it'll pay attention to when it was last updated |
| 18:51:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 18:51:28 | TheMasterMind1 | they're just like makefiles |
| 18:51:31 | kergoth | (assuming its target: .. @mkdir -p $@ |
| 18:51:33 | kergoth | ) |
| 18:51:34 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of the define thing |
| 18:51:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but now we dont need ; \ and && \ at the end of every fucking line |
| 18:51:52 | oGMo | kergoth: hrmm |
| 18:51:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its less prone to failure |
| 18:51:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea that's true |
| 18:51:56 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 18:52:01 | TheMasterMind1 | as long as it works |
| 18:52:05 | TheMasterMind1 | especially if it works good |
| 18:52:05 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:52:20 | prod|dinner | Huh? Now I heard different about the Zaurus SL-5500! I heard the 64 MB SD RAM (which comes with the PDA) is not internal but is a removable card! Is this right? |
| 18:52:25 | TheMasterMind1 | $(Name) : $(shell if [ ! -e "$(stamp-ipk)" ] || [ "$(stamp-staginginstall)" -nt "$(stamp-ipk)" ] || [ "$(stamp-binary)" -nt "$(stamp-ipk)" ] || [ "$(stamp-sourcetree)" -nt "$(stamp-ipk)" ] \; then echo $(stamp-rootinstall) $(stamp-ipk)\; else echo $(stamp-staginginstall)\; fi\; ) $(IPK_DIR) |
| 18:52:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 18:52:29 | kergoth | prod|dinner: no |
| 18:52:41 | TheMasterMind1 | prodigy007 no |
| 18:52:45 | kergoth | prod|dinner: it has 16mb internal flash, and 64mb internal ram, and a cf slot and a sd slot |
| 18:52:51 | prodigy007 | so, it's internal after all? |
| 18:52:52 | TheMasterMind1 | there's two zaurii |
| 18:52:55 | TheMasterMind1 | the 5000d |
| 18:52:57 | TheMasterMind1 | and the 5500 |
| 18:53:03 | prodigy007 | 5000d is for developers right? |
| 18:53:05 | SirPsycho_work | prodigy007: the sd card is removable if you have a sd card.. by default they do not come with a sd card |
| 18:53:10 | TheMasterMind1 | 5000d (developer version) is 16rom 32ram |
| 18:53:17 | TheMasterMind1 | the 5500 is 16rom 64ram |
| 18:53:18 | prodigy007 | ah ok |
| 18:53:22 | TheMasterMind1 | other than that, they're identical |
| 18:53:22 | prodigy007 | thank you, I understand it now |
| 18:53:34 | prodigy007 | so the 5000d was something like a beta version? |
| 18:53:37 | TheMasterMind1 | kinda |
| 18:53:41 | TheMasterMind1 | it was the first release |
| 18:53:46 | TheMasterMind1 | to attract developers etc |
| 18:53:49 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 18:53:53 | prodigy007 | and why is it so hard to get the sl-5500? it's not even being selled in holland! |
| 18:54:01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:54:03 | TheMasterMind1 | get it from buy.com |
| 18:54:07 | kergoth | prodigy007: ask sharp's sales |
| 18:54:08 | prodigy007 | yeah, i'll do that |
| 18:54:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:54:21 | TheMasterMind1 | prodigy007 get a sl-5600 |
| 18:54:26 | prodigy007 | I called sharp yesterday, they told me they don't sell it in holland, so I have to get one from america |
| 18:54:31 | prodigy007 | the sl-5600?? |
| 18:54:38 | prodigy007 | never heard of it.. a new one? |
| 18:54:39 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 18:54:41 | TheMasterMind1 | j/k |
| 18:54:47 | TheMasterMind1 | i just wanted you to freak out |
| 18:54:50 | TheMasterMind1 | anyways |
| 18:54:50 | prodigy007 | phew! |
| 18:54:52 | TheMasterMind1 | back to my movie |
| 18:55:11 | prodigy007 | Scared the shit out to me! I'm saving my money for 4 months! <-- just a poor student :( |
| 19:02:39 | nasa | hey kergoth: when do you expect a newer testing kernel? |
| 19:02:50 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa you can test out 2.4.7 |
| 19:03:01 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.4.1x won't be out for a really long time |
| 19:03:03 | TheMasterMind1 | unfortunately |
| 19:03:14 | smee | Onyx4: what're $3 and $4 in your transcode script? |
| 19:03:16 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: I was refering to 2.4.7 |
| 19:03:27 | TheMasterMind1 | a newer version of 2.4.7? |
| 19:04:40 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.4.7 is out for testing |
| 19:04:46 | TheMasterMind1 | openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ |
| 19:04:57 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: I recently tried the stuff from the testing directory. |
| 19:05:08 | TheMasterMind1 | and...? |
| 19:05:19 | TheMasterMind1 | what stuff in particular? |
| 19:05:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: usbd issues, havent had time to look into it |
| 19:05:32 | nasa | There were a couple of important issues: usb networking didn't work, sd cards couldn't mount, some people reproted not getting cf cards to mount |
| 19:05:42 | nasa | (although I had no such problem) |
| 19:05:43 | kergoth | nasa: cf was broken in pcmcia-cs, thats fixed |
| 19:05:49 | TheMasterMind1 | i got cf fixed |
| 19:05:52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:05:55 | TheMasterMind1 | what's this about sd though |
| 19:06:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if we verify that the sd module is loaded, and sdmgr is running, but it still cant be accessed, we may have to get the module built against this kernel |
| 19:06:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: remember we're forcing a 2.4.6 module into 2.4.7, if any interfaces have changed, it could freak |
| 19:06:48 | nasa | I have a pny 128 sd card which mounted fine under the beta version, but doesn't mount under the testing kernel |
| 19:06:59 | nasa | regardless of how the card is formatted |
| 19:07:22 | nasa | funny thing is, I could fdisk the sd card -- just couldn't mount it. |
| 19:07:33 | kergoth | weird.. |
| 19:07:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:07:42 | TheMasterMind1 | and sdmgr is running and the module is loaded? |
| 19:07:45 | TheMasterMind1 | any errors while mounting? |
| 19:08:13 | nasa | both are loaded and no, I don't remeber any -- let me check |
| 19:08:20 | TheMasterMind1 | do that |
| 19:08:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth tim is willing to compile a module for us? |
| 19:09:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: for 2.4.19 yes, i havent pestered him about a 2.4.7, it may not be worth it, we may want to focus exclusively on 2.4.19 |
| 19:09:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:09:40 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.4.19 is a ways away though |
| 19:09:40 | kergoth | I have an idea for the dependency handling |
| 19:09:42 | nasa | I was wrong -- error message is "mount: mounting /dev/mmcda1 on /mnt/card failed: Invalid argument |
| 19:09:45 | TheMasterMind1 | but i agree |
| 19:09:51 | TheMasterMind1 | invalid arguement.. |
| 19:09:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:09:52 | kergoth | nasa: automount, or manual? |
| 19:09:56 | kergoth | nasa: what options in /etc/fstab/ |
| 19:10:02 | kergoth | s/\/$//; |
| 19:10:02 | nasa | This is after I try to manually mount it |
| 19:10:03 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa try mount -t auto /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card |
| 19:10:09 | nasa | automount did nothing |
| 19:10:09 | TheMasterMind1 | -t auto |
| 19:10:17 | TheMasterMind1 | and try -t vfat and -t ext2 also |
| 19:10:23 | TheMasterMind1 | what errors come up |
| 19:11:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: okay, i've got an idea, I think I can make the dependency handling and tracking work again without disrupting the new setup |
| 19:11:33 | nasa | 'mount -t auto /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card" returned the same error |
| 19:11:49 | kergoth | nasa: hrm.. invalid argument.. thats suspect. |
| 19:11:51 | kergoth | nasa: odd. |
| 19:12:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:12:10 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe its busybox? |
| 19:12:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: why would it have worked before, and not now though? |
| 19:12:23 | kergoth | hrm |
| 19:12:28 | kergoth | nasa: whats the fstab entry look like? |
| 19:12:28 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 19:12:34 | nasa | same thing with -t ext2 (which is what the card is formatted a) |
| 19:12:54 | TheMasterMind1 | you sure its not already mounted.. check mount |
| 19:13:23 | nasa | (remember, I am typing all this on the Z and then typing this into xchat, so be patient) |
| 19:14:47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:15:09 | smee | typing sucks :) |
| 19:15:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ssh++ |
| 19:15:49 | nasa | fstab: /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card auto defaults,noauto,sync 0 0 |
| 19:16:03 | nasa | didn't I mention -- usb networking doesn't work? |
| 19:16:19 | kergoth | nasa: change the options to read 'defaults' only, just for shit |
| 19:16:22 | kergoth | s |
| 19:16:24 | kergoth | s/shit/shits/ |
| 19:16:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:17:47 | nasa | Same results |
| 19:18:00 | kergoth | hrm, i dont geti t |
| 19:18:33 | nasa | kergoth: any idea about the usb networking? would make this troubleshooting easier... |
| 19:18:35 | kergoth | nasa: yet if you flash back to 2.4.6, with the exact same flash as you have now, it woroks? |
| 19:18:42 | kergoth | yeah i have an idea, but i need to test it |
| 19:19:00 | nasa | Yes, I have already done that... |
| 19:19:28 | nasa | I went back to the beta to format my sd card back to ext2 (after trying vfat) |
| 19:19:39 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 19:20:08 | kergoth | so its definately kernel, and if the module is loading and the sdmgr is running, i'd say we've got a problem. might have to try to get tim to build a new module |
| 19:20:54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:21:00 | TheMasterMind1 | or just wait until 2.4.19 is done |
| 19:21:01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:21:05 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:21:07 | TheMasterMind1 | in like a year |
| 19:21:10 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:21:16 | kergoth | no where near |
| 19:21:27 | kergoth | most of hte drivers are in place, just need debugging |
| 19:21:38 | kergoth | except for the battery code, and the console rotation code from lineo |
| 19:21:39 | nasa | for your info: the modules loaded are: net_fd, nls_cp437, nls_iso8859-1, sharp_mmcsd_m, usbdcore, & usbdmonitor |
| 19:22:49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:22:52 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 19:22:56 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa what's the issue with usb? |
| 19:23:37 | nasa | No network |
| 19:23:38 | kergoth | nasa: ah, if sa1100_bi isnt loaded, thats why usb networkikng isnt working. |
| 19:24:30 | nasa | So why wouldn't it load? |
| 19:24:48 | TheMasterMind1 | fux |
| 19:25:07 | nasa | rebooting the z... |
| 19:26:04 | nasa | also it flashing an error about mtblock6 (I think) about it not recognizing the fs |
| 19:26:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:26:38 | TheMasterMind1 | needs a good smacking seems like |
| 19:27:15 | smee | kicks mount in the -t |
| 19:27:22 | nasa | Ok, after a reboot -- modules loaded changed. We know have net_fd, sa1100_bi, sharp_mmcsd_m, usbdcore, and usbdmonitor |
| 19:27:45 | nasa | and still no network |
| 19:28:05 | TheMasterMind1 | "no network" |
| 19:28:07 | TheMasterMind1 | define that |
| 19:28:17 | nasa | I can't ping the z |
| 19:28:18 | kergoth | nasa: ifconfig -a show usb0? |
| 19:28:24 | TheMasterMind1 | usbd |
| 19:28:26 | TheMasterMind1 | 0 |
| 19:28:29 | kergoth | nasa: route -n show a route to the interface? |
| 19:28:31 | kergoth | yea, that |
| 19:28:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:28:37 | nasa | on the z or on my system |
| 19:28:57 | TheMasterMind1 | z |
| 19:29:44 | nasa | 'route -n' returns nada |
| 19:30:02 | BigBoss | anyone familiar with the ARM9 chip? |
| 19:30:03 | kergoth | thats odd, not even a route to loopback.. |
| 19:30:27 | nasa | 'ifconfig -a' shows only the loopback [127.0.0.1] |
| 19:31:14 | kergoth | nasa: dmesg show anything useful? |
| 19:31:27 | TheMasterMind1 | tail /var/log/messages also |
| 19:31:59 | nasa | dmesg shows quite a bit -- I will try to condense it |
| 19:32:01 | kergoth | after starting syslgod and klogd anyway |
| 19:32:04 | kergoth | k |
| 19:32:40 | nasa | first error: "usbd_fill_rcv:endpoint:0 packetSize is Zero!" |
| 19:32:44 | kergoth | hrm |
| 19:32:50 | nasa | repeated multiple times |
| 19:33:17 | nasa | second error: "netproto_recv: not up net_dev.state:1002" |
| 19:33:26 | smee | wants to cross breed a z stylus with a thimble |
| 19:35:13 | kergoth | smee: i saw one of those for sale, a thimble-like stylus for the tip of the finger |
| 19:35:21 | kergoth | smee: online somewhere, someone gave me the url |
| 19:35:24 | kergoth | hhe |
| 19:36:00 | smee | kergoth: hehe - I think that would be cool - more natural and wouldnt need to keep hunting for it either |
| 19:36:27 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone heard of those infrared keyboards? |
| 19:36:50 | TheMasterMind1 | they project a keyboard onto a surface |
| 19:36:57 | TheMasterMind1 | and you can like type on it |
| 19:37:07 | kergoth | i heard about those |
| 19:37:09 | kergoth | pretty nifty |
| 19:37:12 | smee | yeah...sounds interesting |
| 19:37:17 | kergoth | would be hard to tell when you've hit the key |
| 19:37:19 | kergoth | no feedback whatsoever |
| 19:37:25 | kergoth | maybe an audio click on keypress would make it usable |
| 19:37:33 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:37:37 | kergoth | yeah, nifty |
| 19:38:06 | TheMasterMind1 | would be hard to implement into the z though |
| 19:38:10 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe a cf card.. |
| 19:38:12 | smee | yeah - no action of any kind but also no mass |
| 19:38:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: or serial |
| 19:38:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea that would work too |
| 19:38:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think they're out yet though |
| 19:40:07 | smee | not sure where I heard about them /. probably |
| 19:40:09 | prodigy007 | does the zaurus sl-5500 has a serial slot on-board? so you can just plug a serial cable and |
| 19:40:13 | prodigy007 | talk to other systems? |
| 19:40:50 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 19:40:55 | kergoth | prodigy007: with the right cable, yes. the cable is about $50 and blocks use of the hardware keyboard, unless you alter it |
| 19:40:58 | TheMasterMind1 | it goes in the same slot as the usb |
| 19:41:05 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth not necessarily |
| 19:41:08 | prodigy007 | but it's not in the cradle? |
| 19:41:09 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 19:41:12 | TheMasterMind1 | you mentioned that |
| 19:41:13 | prodigy007 | it's really on the pda itself? |
| 19:41:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, necessarily. i have the cable. |
| 19:41:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 19:41:20 | TheMasterMind1 | you can alter it |
| 19:41:23 | TheMasterMind1 | but you mentioned that |
| 19:41:23 | kergoth | prodigy007: yes |
| 19:41:26 | prodigy007 | ok :) |
| 19:41:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:42:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hows that makefile shit? |
| 19:42:04 | prodigy007 | is the cable especially for the z? |
| 19:42:08 | kergoth | prodigy007: yes |
| 19:42:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: working on depends |
| 19:42:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it'll be cleaner than before, all the depends handling is in the root Makefile |
| 19:42:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it calls out configs/blah.mk print_depends to print out the list of its depends, then it runs them |
| 19:42:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :-) |
| 19:43:14 | nasa | on last error of interest: "ep0_read_data: failed: UDCWC: 0" |
| 19:43:58 | prodigy007 | Another question: I want to wardrive with the SL-5500, using kismet. On http://www.kismetwireless.net/screenshot.shtml there are some screenshots of kismet running on the zaurus, but now my question is, are cf-wifi cards supported by kismet? Or do I need a pcmcia adapter for it? |
| 19:44:27 | kergoth | prodigy007: yep, works fine |
| 19:44:36 | kergoth | prodigy007: there's even a qt gui for kismet to make it easier |
| 19:44:56 | TheMasterMind1 | prodigy007 it works great |
| 19:45:14 | prodigy007 | so I don't need the pcmcia adapter? |
| 19:45:20 | prodigy007 | just the cf-wifi card and kismet? |
| 19:45:29 | TheMasterMind1 | just a zaurus and cf-wifi |
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| 19:45:30 | BigBoss | ibot seen speedy2 |
| 19:45:39 | TheMasterMind1 | software is easy to get |
| 19:46:22 | phatcat | how do i get it so that when i install something to SD (i.e. konqueror) i get a symlink to it |
| 19:46:29 | TheMasterMind1 | use oipkg |
| 19:46:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ where are you? |
| 19:46:36 | kergoth | phatcat: use oipkg |
| 19:46:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: damn, beat me |
| 19:46:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:46:54 | prodigy007 | thanks for the information all |
| 19:46:55 | kergoth | this new depends shit is gonna be smooth |
| 19:47:09 | phatcat | i do, but it didn't do it |
| 19:47:14 | smee | dima: mail sent |
| 19:47:24 | kergoth | phatcat: then you dont have 'link to root destination' enabled in the setup |
| 19:47:25 | prodigy007 | last question, does it matter *which* cf-wifi card I buy? or does kismet work on every cf-wifi card? |
| 19:47:31 | nasa | so kergoth & TheMasterMind1 -- any ideas? |
| 19:47:43 | kergoth | nasa: not offhand, i'll dig into it |
| 19:48:40 | phatcat | kergoth: where can i set that up |
| 19:49:01 | kergoth | phatcat: the really really obvious menus in the obvious configuration section |
| 19:49:03 | kergoth | </smartass> |
| 19:49:11 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 19:49:18 | kergoth | phatcat: its in the menus man, under 'Dests' or something |
| 19:50:05 | prodigy007 | which cf-wifi card do you use for wardriving using kismet? does it matter which one I buy? |
| 19:50:28 | TheMasterMind1 | get the wcf12 |
| 19:50:30 | TheMasterMind1 | from buy.com |
| 19:50:31 | TheMasterMind1 | by linksys |
| 19:50:40 | TheMasterMind1 | or if you want lowpower |
| 19:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | get the socket low power wlan card |
| 19:50:53 | phatcat | ah ha |
| 19:51:01 | prodigy007 | ah ok, thanks |
| 19:51:36 | kergoth | man, this is ugly shit |
| 19:51:38 | kergoth | depends : $(foreach source,$(filter $(MAKECMDGOALS),$(TARGETS)),$(shell $(MAKE) -f $(patsubst %,c |
| 19:51:40 | kergoth | onfigs/%.mk,$(source)))) |
| 19:52:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ew |
| 19:53:02 | TheMasterMind1 | shell scripting was better.. |
| 19:53:03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:53:33 | kergoth | it gets uglier |
| 19:53:39 | kergoth | i had to add more to that line |
| 19:53:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:53:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 19:53:49 | kergoth | but the thing is, it'll just work |
| 19:53:52 | TheMasterMind1 | sure.. |
| 19:53:54 | kergoth | wont have to worry about it |
| 19:54:39 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. |
| 19:54:47 | prodigy007 | does anyone know where I can get an extra battery pack for the sl-5500? |
| 19:55:08 | kergoth | prodigy007: standard batteries are available at http://myzaurus.com/ or you can get an external battery pack from digipower |
| 19:55:20 | prodigy007 | is that also on buy.com? |
| 19:55:23 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 19:55:26 | TheMasterMind1 | afaik |
| 19:56:01 | TheMasterMind1 | why doesn't konq have an icon? |
| 19:56:04 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 19:56:13 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks opie and oz |
| 19:56:14 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
| 19:56:20 | kergoth | its the konq package |
| 19:56:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:56:56 | TheMasterMind1 | goes back to the sharp rom |
| 19:58:13 | kergoth | depends : $(foreach source,$(filter $(MAKECMDGOALS),$(TARGETS)),$(shell $(MAKE) -f $(patsubst %,c |
| 19:58:15 | kergoth | onfigs/%.mk print_depends,$(source)))) |
| 19:58:22 | TheMasterMind1 | how nice |
| 19:58:23 | kergoth | there's the final rule |
| 19:58:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:58:32 | TheMasterMind1 | does it work? |
| 19:58:37 | kergoth | i'm about to find out |
| 19:58:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:58:44 | TheMasterMind1 | and do we have anything to not redownload cvs sources and do other stupid stuff |
| 19:58:53 | kergoth | dood, one step at a time |
| 19:58:58 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 19:59:00 | kergoth | lets make it *work*first |
| 19:59:01 | TheMasterMind1 | step faster |
| 19:59:05 | kergoth | trips |
| 20:01:39 | TheMasterMind1 | why the fuck is the gifplugin not part of the konq package? |
| 20:02:13 | Harlekin | because its nonfree? |
| 20:02:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 20:02:29 | TheMasterMind1 | that gif bullshit |
| 20:02:36 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to write an app that will fix symlinks |
| 20:02:45 | TheMasterMind1 | so my shit works after a reflash |
| 20:03:00 | kergoth | holy shit |
| 20:03:02 | kergoth | i think it works |
| 20:03:04 | TheMasterMind1 | add it to oz even so everything works when people reflash |
| 20:03:05 | kergoth | liek |
| 20:03:10 | kergoth | without even testing it before i was done |
| 20:03:13 | kergoth | wow |
| 20:03:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:03:17 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 20:03:32 | kergoth | course i only have one .mk built for the new system |
| 20:03:38 | kergoth | so it fails out on the depend item |
| 20:03:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:03:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:03:41 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 20:03:48 | TheMasterMind1 | now just do the rest of the stuff |
| 20:03:49 | TheMasterMind1 | finish the kernel |
| 20:03:55 | TheMasterMind1 | fix the bugs |
| 20:03:57 | TheMasterMind1 | and we're done! |
| 20:03:58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:04:01 | kergoth | muahaha |
| 20:04:05 | kergoth | its fucking working |
| 20:04:07 | kergoth | every damn item |
| 20:04:09 | kergoth | amazing |
| 20:04:16 | kergoth | and its so.. quiet |
| 20:04:20 | kergoth | its not as lame as it was |
| 20:04:25 | kergoth | i'll commit this, take a look |
| 20:04:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:04:36 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't rebuild crap? |
| 20:04:43 | TheMasterMind1 | if its already built during that make/ |
| 20:05:02 | kergoth | its not tracking depends, but we dont lose much by it, trust me. i'll add that next. |
| 20:05:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:05:14 | TheMasterMind1 | the zaurus gets really hot |
| 20:05:39 | kergoth | fuck em |
| 20:05:41 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 20:05:43 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 20:05:45 | kergoth | son of a fuckign bitch |
| 20:05:47 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
| 20:05:47 | kergoth | christ |
| 20:05:49 | TheMasterMind1 | what happen |
| 20:05:56 | kergoth | i overwrote my busybox.mk with a old as dirt one |
| 20:06:04 | TheMasterMind1 | so? |
| 20:06:05 | kergoth | ah well |
| 20:06:12 | kergoth | thing is, i altered the format slightly |
| 20:06:17 | kergoth | and i dont know if i remember how it was |
| 20:06:18 | TheMasterMind1 | use cvs..? |
| 20:06:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:06:24 | kergoth | no, thats the old one |
| 20:06:26 | kergoth | i altered it since then |
| 20:06:27 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 20:06:32 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 20:08:32 | prodigy007 | Does anyone have experience with the SanDisk SD memory card in combination with the SL-5500? |
| 20:08:38 | prodigy007 | 128 mb version btw |
| 20:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | the one i got from buy.com works |
| 20:08:56 | TheMasterMind1 | they shouldl all work now with the new sharp rom |
| 20:08:57 | TheMasterMind1 | and the latest oz |
| 20:09:09 | prodigy007 | ah ok, good :) |
| 20:10:23 | prodigy007 | Does anyone know if sharp-usa.com also deliver to canada? |
| 20:10:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: this is fucking amazing, it works .. it could use a little work yet to make things cleaner, but it works |
| 20:10:40 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 20:10:42 | nasa | kergoth: what works? |
| 20:11:15 | kergoth | nasa: new buildroot, it will make my life easier |
| 20:11:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:11:30 | nasa | kergoth: that's always a good thing |
| 20:11:58 | prodigy007 | btw, what's that external battery pack from digipower? is it different than the normally battery pack, if yes how? where can I buy it? |
| 20:12:09 | | digipower is a small portable battery pack known to work with the Z that provides 3 full charges, output of 8100 is 4.8V/2700mAH DP-4 cable required http://thomas-distributing.com/dp-dps-8100.htm or 8100=4.8V and 8200=6V or has 1800 mAH AA NiH |
| 20:12:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot digipower |
| 20:12:32 | prodigy007 | thank you |
| 20:12:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: try a make busybox-new :-) |
| 20:13:08 | prodigy007 | the bad thing it's more load than the internal battery pack :( |
| 20:13:11 | TheMasterMind1 | Can't locate SourceTreeMethod.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . configs/methods/sourcetrees) at configs/methods/sourcetree.pl line 4. |
| 20:13:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its in cvs. |
| 20:13:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: update |
| 20:13:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:14:06 | TheMasterMind1 | you know how when it's making, it says entering dir and leaving dir |
| 20:14:11 | kergoth | for now, i know |
| 20:14:12 | TheMasterMind1 | can we make it output the name of the dir |
| 20:14:25 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/zaurus/buildroot-oz' |
| 20:14:27 | kergoth | not easily, let me think about that |
| 20:14:28 | TheMasterMind1 | that's all it syas |
| 20:14:35 | TheMasterMind1 | the real dir name would help a lot in debugging |
| 20:14:49 | kergoth | i know. |
| 20:14:59 | kergoth | its that way for a reason, if i can find a way to enhance it, i will |
| 20:15:04 | TheMasterMind1 | ïë |
| 20:15:05 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:15:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:15:57 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 20:16:05 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:16:11 | TheMasterMind1 | i did make busybox-new |
| 20:16:12 | TheMasterMind1 | it did some stuff |
| 20:16:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i did it again |
| 20:16:19 | TheMasterMind1 | it installed it (made symlinks( |
| 20:16:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i did it again, it did nothing |
| 20:16:30 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:16:41 | kergoth | i dont understand what you're talkinga bout |
| 20:16:42 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/buildroot-oz# make busybox-new_clean |
| 20:16:42 | TheMasterMind1 | make -f configs/busybox-new.mk clean; |
| 20:16:42 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Entering directory `/zaurus/buildroot-oz' |
| 20:16:42 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. |
| 20:17:00 | kergoth | why are you running clean? that target's disabled fro the moment |
| 20:17:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:18:10 | kergoth | so whats the problem now? |
| 20:18:12 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 20:18:18 | TheMasterMind1 | when i do make busybox-new the first time |
| 20:18:21 | TheMasterMind1 | it does the first thing |
| 20:18:26 | TheMasterMind1 | then second time it installs it |
| 20:18:31 | TheMasterMind1 | is that supposed to be happening? |
| 20:18:33 | kergoth | ohhhh |
| 20:18:35 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 20:18:37 | kergoth | hold up |
| 20:18:42 | TheMasterMind1 | second time it makes the ipk |
| 20:18:47 | TheMasterMind1 | first time i dunno what its doing |
| 20:18:58 | TheMasterMind1 | it compiled and does some stuff |
| 20:19:06 | TheMasterMind1 | staging install i guess |
| 20:20:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: try rm -rf build/busybox* build/stamps/busybox* build/ipktemp build/ipktmp sources/dl/busybox* sources/ipks/busybox*; |
| 20:20:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i see the stamping changed.. |
| 20:20:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then make busybox-new |
| 20:20:31 | TheMasterMind1 | it puts it in the the root of stamps/ |
| 20:22:30 | TheMasterMind1 | make: *** /zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/busybox: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 20:22:31 | TheMasterMind1 | make: Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown directorymake[1]: *** [/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/stamps/busybox-20020914-2_stamp-binary] Error 2 |
| 20:22:31 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/zaurus/buildroot-oz' |
| 20:22:54 | TheMasterMind1 | Can't locate SourceTreeMethod.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . configs/methods/sourcetrees) at configs/methods/sourcetree.pl line 4. |
| 20:23:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i have an idea. cvs up and try again. |
| 20:25:01 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 20:25:32 | TheMasterMind1 | configs/methods/sources.pl -sourcetree `configs/methods/sources.pl -source -printonly ":pserver:anonymous@busybox.net:/var/cvs module=busybox; /zaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/busybox-config.patch.gz; /zaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/busybox-extra.patch.gz;" /zaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/dl` /zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/busybox; |
| 20:25:32 | TheMasterMind1 | Can't locate SourceTreeMethod.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . configs/methods/sourcetrees) at configs/methods/sourcetree.pl line 4. |
| 20:25:34 | TheMasterMind1 | first error |
| 20:25:45 | TheMasterMind1 | then it does this : |
| 20:25:46 | TheMasterMind1 | make -C /zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/busybox clean |
| 20:25:46 | TheMasterMind1 | make: *** /zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/busybox: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 20:25:46 | TheMasterMind1 | make: Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown directorymake[1]: *** [/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/stamps/busybox-20020914-2_stamp-binary] Error 2 |
| 20:26:11 | kergoth | damn your perl is picky |
| 20:26:14 | kergoth | hee |
| 20:26:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its not copying from sources/dl/ to build/ |
| 20:26:17 | kergoth | cvs up an dtry again |
| 20:26:34 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 20:27:02 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 20:27:04 | TheMasterMind1 | still errors |
| 20:27:06 | TheMasterMind1 | where is the file/ |
| 20:27:08 | kergoth | paste the errors. |
| 20:27:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Can't locate SourceTreeMethod.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/sourcetrees) at /zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/sourcetree.pl line 4. |
| 20:27:11 | TheMasterMind1 | that path is right |
| 20:27:22 | kergoth | /zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/sourcetrees is where the file is. |
| 20:27:34 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/buildroot-oz# vim configs/methods/sourcetree |
| 20:27:34 | TheMasterMind1 | sourcetree sourcetree.pl |
| 20:27:37 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't exist for me |
| 20:27:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: *update* |
| 20:27:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cvs up -PdA |
| 20:27:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i use PdA for a reason |
| 20:27:58 | TheMasterMind1 | i just did |
| 20:28:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: -d creates directories you dont have. |
| 20:28:07 | TheMasterMind1 | i've been doing that |
| 20:28:11 | TheMasterMind1 | its not creating it |
| 20:28:16 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:28:19 | kergoth | beats cvs to death |
| 20:28:22 | TheMasterMind1 | did you ad dit? |
| 20:28:23 | TheMasterMind1 | add it |
| 20:28:28 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:28:30 | kergoth | and committed it as well |
| 20:28:33 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:28:41 | kergoth | let me create a new tree, a clean one |
| 20:28:46 | kergoth | god i hate cvs |
| 20:28:51 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 20:29:58 | TheMasterMind1 | you whore! |
| 20:29:59 | TheMasterMind1 | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/sourcetrees/ |
| 20:30:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:30:05 | TheMasterMind1 | its freaking empty! |
| 20:30:11 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:30:18 | kergoth | i just added them all and committed them |
| 20:30:28 | kergoth | stabs cvs with a large metal instrument |
| 20:31:13 | not_hat | on openzaurus, when i install an ipkg to ram, i can't get it to show up in the apps tab |
| 20:31:24 | not_hat | but the binaries are there and work from terminal |
| 20:31:32 | kergoth | not_hat: then you're not using oipkg, or you didnt enable 'link to root destination' in th eoipkg setup |
| 20:31:33 | not_hat | anybody know what im doing wrong? |
| 20:31:47 | kergoth | s/th eoipkg/the oipkg/ |
| 20:32:10 | not_hat | hmm, so oipkg is not included with the default openzaurus image? |
| 20:32:43 | kergoth | not_hat: huh? |
| 20:32:49 | kergoth | not_hat: 'software manager' = oipkg |
| 20:32:55 | kergoth | not_hat: the gui package manager |
| 20:32:59 | not_hat | oh that? |
| 20:33:02 | kergoth | yes, that. |
| 20:33:05 | not_hat | that doesnt seem to work at all |
| 20:33:07 | kergoth | you must install with it |
| 20:33:13 | kergoth | then you need to upgrade |
| 20:33:15 | | i guess update oz is Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 20:33:15 | kergoth | ibot: update oz |
| 20:33:27 | kergoth | or just upgrade ipkg and oipkg |
| 20:33:33 | kergoth | since thats what your issue is regarding |
| 20:33:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i managed to get that shit in. try the build |
| 20:33:56 | not_hat | ahh ok, thanks kergoth |
| 20:33:59 | kergoth | np |
| 20:37:51 | prodigy007 | MasterMind, you told me to get the following cf-wifi card: "linksys wcf12 from buy.com" but on buy.com I can only find the wcf11.. is this what you meant or is it another card? this, because I want to wardrive with my sl-5500 using kismet |
| 20:38:42 | kergoth | prodigy007: you want wcf12, the wcf11 is a different chipset i believe, and blocks the stylus and headphone ports, and is larger |
| 20:38:44 | kergoth | iirc |
| 20:38:51 | prodigy007 | ah ok, thank you |
| 20:40:48 | TheMasterMind1 | yea you want the wcf12 |
| 20:40:51 | TheMasterMind1 | its on buy.com |
| 20:42:19 | nasa | so kergoth: should I move back to beta or you need me to help troubleshoot the testing kernel? |
| 20:43:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ok it all works |
| 20:43:59 | prodigy007 | I found the wcf12 now, ty |
| 20:44:02 | kergoth | i'm fixing the thing where you have to run it twice |
| 20:44:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:44:13 | kergoth | nasa: go back to 2.4.6 for now, i'll work on when i have a chance |
| 20:44:28 | nasa | k |
| 20:44:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth it worked just fine.. |
| 20:44:58 | TheMasterMind1 | made the ipks in the first go |
| 20:45:13 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't update from cvs, but that's ok |
| 20:45:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:45:50 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 13:36:41) |
| 20:48:26 | nasa | kergoth: what do you suggest for the 'D' process problem? |
| 20:49:07 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 20:49:27 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: i did end up getting usb to work |
| 20:49:29 | Cloudchaser | somehow |
| 20:49:35 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: nice! |
| 20:49:47 | Cloudchaser | hehe i think usdbnet.o was bad |
| 20:49:55 | nasa | Cloudchaser: which kernel? |
| 20:49:57 | kergoth | nasa: i still dont know man, that was is almost beyond my ability. maybe i'll ask about what causes it in #kernelnewbies |
| 20:49:59 | kergoth | nasa: hehe |
| 20:50:01 | Cloudchaser | ljp had me delete it from /lib/module |
| 20:50:22 | Cloudchaser | then someone else had me copy it from a custom file in /lib/module |
| 20:50:25 | Cloudchaser | and.. voila |
| 20:50:30 | Cloudchaser | insmod then worked |
| 20:50:34 | Cloudchaser | very odd, that |
| 20:50:46 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: oh, i can tell you know |
| 20:50:48 | kergoth | er |
| 20:50:51 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: tell you why. |
| 20:50:55 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: heh |
| 20:51:00 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i shouldve warned you about that, i almost did too |
| 20:51:21 | Cloudchaser | well it was late |
| 20:51:25 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: edit /usr/src/linux-2.4/Makefile .. change EXTRAVERSION to read -10 rather than -custom, assuming you're on 2.4.18-10 |
| 20:51:30 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: true that |
| 20:51:58 | Cloudchaser | well i saw i had 2.4.18-10 and 2.4.18-10custom |
| 20:52:16 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yep, then you should change extraversion from -10custom to -10 |
| 20:52:17 | chouimat | re |
| 20:52:19 | Cloudchaser | i had deleted from 2.4.18-10 and somene told me to copy usbdnet.o to it |
| 20:52:21 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 20:52:25 | Bovine | hugs his little Zaurus |
| 20:52:34 | Cloudchaser | so the only place i still had that file was in custom so i copied it over |
| 20:52:37 | chouimat | kergoth: hi |
| 20:52:38 | Cloudchaser | and it worked |
| 20:53:00 | Cloudchaser | i guess the module thing make the custom file but the kernel was looking in the 2.4.18-10 file? |
| 20:53:15 | Bovine | hmm, anyone know anything about fbvncserver? |
| 20:53:33 | Cloudchaser | which rom? |
| 20:53:38 | Bovine | OZ |
| 20:53:40 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yep, the make modules_install though -10custom was correct,and installed it into place |
| 20:53:46 | kergoth | Bovine: install fbvncserver-oz from the feed |
| 20:54:01 | kergoth | Bovine: then reboot and calibrate it by tappingf in the upper left corner, and then in the lower right, after opie starts |
| 20:54:02 | Cloudchaser | well the make modules failed, so i think i'm using the standalone module |
| 20:54:10 | Bovine | kergoth: done, and it runs, however it appears to be view only |
| 20:54:11 | kergoth | regardless |
| 20:54:14 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: same issue |
| 20:54:29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the install in the standalone looked at the extraversion, saw that it was -10custom, and installed it there |
| 20:54:35 | kergoth | Bovine: then you didnt reboot. |
| 20:54:40 | kergoth | Bovine: or you didnt calibrate |
| 20:54:47 | Bovine | hmm, calibrate |
| 20:54:54 | Cloudchaser | but thekernel looks for it in 2.4.18-10 not 2.4.18-10custom? |
| 20:55:05 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: of course |
| 20:55:11 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: your kernel isnt 2.4.18-10customer |
| 20:55:13 | Cloudchaser | i'm just trying to understand what happened ;) |
| 20:55:15 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: s/customer/custom/ |
| 20:55:22 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: your kernel is 2.4.18-10, and it loads only modules built for that version |
| 20:55:24 | | somebody said ljp was currently an earthling from the planet Mergatroid or http://llornkcor.com |
| 20:55:24 | nasa | ibot ljp |
| 20:55:35 | Cloudchaser | so does that happen to everyone then? |
| 20:55:36 | | ljp was last seen on #zaurus 18 hours, 54 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: ya ok.. [Sat Sep 14 03:01:05 2002] |
| 20:55:36 | nasa | ibot seen ljp |
| 20:55:47 | ljp_ | hi |
| 20:55:51 | Cloudchaser | hiya! |
| 20:55:58 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: its a common issue, for those building extra modules against the redhat kernel sources, because they ship the extraversion as custom |
| 20:55:59 | ljp_ | what up? |
| 20:56:04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:56:05 | | ibot was last seen on #bzflag 18 days, 21 hours, 28 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: ibot insult ibot [Tue Aug 27 00:27:15 2002] |
| 20:56:05 | prodigy007 | ibot seen ibot ;) |
| 20:56:06 | TheMasterMind1 | so what's up? |
| 20:56:09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth |
| 20:56:14 | TheMasterMind1 | adding more stuff? |
| 20:56:16 | Cloudchaser | well how could people know what to do then? |
| 20:56:18 | nasa | ljp_: just wandering if you have tried to install apps to your sd card |
| 20:56:20 | | You are nothing but a tempestuous thimbleful of rump-fed rat retch. |
| 20:56:20 | prodigy007 | ibot insult prodigy007 |
| 20:56:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: make the ipk builds even cleaner and more reable |
| 20:56:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: readable |
| 20:56:28 | ljp_ | yes I have. |
| 20:56:32 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 20:56:33 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: probably call redhat for support if they didnt know how to fix it |
| 20:56:36 | TheMasterMind1 | and add those other features too |
| 20:56:45 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: SuSE's kernel source is much more sane with regard to that |
| 20:56:49 | nasa | ljp_: so how did it go... |
| 20:56:54 | ljp_ | were you seeing issues with it? |
| 20:57:08 | Cloudchaser | so we just stumbled upon the answer.. how lucky is that! |
| 20:57:15 | kergoth | yup |
| 20:57:20 | nasa | ljp_: I was, from your reply -- you aren't? |
| 20:57:30 | ljp_ | what issues? |
| 20:57:30 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ where was that new pakcage manager..? |
| 20:57:33 | kergoth | i couldve told ya if i were fully conscious |
| 20:57:34 | TheMasterMind1 | that bb threat |
| 20:57:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:57:47 | prodigy007 | I'm gonna sleep, thanks for the great help and goodnight |
| 20:57:48 | ljp_ | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=3180&s=1871ba4fc2cd6324e4399258460604ff |
| 20:57:56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth look at that |
| 20:58:08 | ljp_ | so long.. and thanks for all the fish! |
| 20:59:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i just did |
| 20:59:12 | DragonEagle | is away: ..tired sore, and don't really feel like chatting now. later |
| 20:59:17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: looks nice, once he works out the kinks ljp pointed out,and others |
| 20:59:26 | nasa | ljp_: you haven't seen any 'D' processes? or Z locking up? |
| 20:59:29 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 20:59:51 | ljp_ | I've seen the gui 'freeze' for a while.. |
| 21:00:02 | ljp_ | havent tried it in oz yet |
| 21:00:36 | nasa | ljp_: oh.. ok, I didn't have any problems with the sharp kernel either |
| 21:00:37 | ljp_ | that package manager _does_ symlink.. its on th eoptions dialog |
| 21:00:59 | ljp_ | let me try it in oz |
| 21:01:05 | umopapisdn | kergoth: Do you know if there are any docs for the "adduser" command of busybox somewhere? |
| 21:01:06 | kergoth | ljp_: yeah, i saw that. hows hte interface? i havent tested that aqpkg yet |
| 21:01:16 | kergoth | umopapisdn: busybox's docs are rather limited in general |
| 21:01:20 | kergoth | umopapisdn: grab the sources ;-) |
| 21:01:23 | kergoth | umopapisdn: hehe |
| 21:01:27 | umopapisdn | sighs... :) |
| 21:01:33 | kergoth | umopapisdn: its probably similar to tinylogin's adduser |
| 21:01:40 | ljp_ | it's nice.. it's now my default package manager |
| 21:02:04 | kergoth | ljp_: i saw his comment that it doesnt handle links for dependent packages.. thats annoying, ihope he fixes that soon |
| 21:02:11 | Cloudchaser | ljp_: it is? |
| 21:02:11 | umopapisdn | kergoth: thanks anyway! back to coding. |
| 21:02:16 | kergoth | umopapisdn: hehe |
| 21:02:42 | ljp_ | kergoth`gone: the link to root, is on th eoptions page.. I just didnt see it |
| 21:02:57 | kergoth | ljp_: yeah, just doesnt do it by default right? not a prob |
| 21:03:11 | kergoth | ljp_: but if you install one package, which depends on another, he doesnt symlink the one it depends on |
| 21:03:14 | kergoth | ljp_: according to his post |
| 21:03:14 | ljp_ | seems to remember it once I check it |
| 21:03:26 | TheMasterMind1 | is he going to release sources? |
| 21:03:29 | ljp_ | oh. |
| 21:03:40 | kergoth | ljp_: i.e. dont install task-* in it |
| 21:03:40 | TheMasterMind1 | bah, it wants libqpe |
| 21:03:42 | kergoth | ljp_: hehe |
| 21:03:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: opie includes libqpe in opie-base |
| 21:03:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just -force-depends it in |
| 21:03:58 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but it wants it |
| 21:04:00 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i did |
| 21:04:04 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:04:05 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ what's the binary it installs called |
| 21:04:09 | kergoth | i look forward to his releasing the source |
| 21:04:37 | TheMasterMind1 | is he planning to? |
| 21:04:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i hope so |
| 21:04:43 | ljp_ | TheMasterMind1: aqpkg |
| 21:04:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:04:59 | ljp_ | he said he will release the source |
| 21:05:09 | TheMasterMind1 | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/aqpkg: error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:05:10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:05:15 | ljp_ | tille said we should add it to opie |
| 21:05:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought we fixed that in profile? |
| 21:05:53 | ljp_ | works here, but I havnet updated oz to qt/e-2.3.4 |
| 21:06:08 | kergoth | ljp_: tille was for its inclusion? then lets go for it |
| 21:06:10 | kergoth | ljp_: heh |
| 21:06:40 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 21:06:47 | TheMasterMind1 | its just the paths |
| 21:06:51 | TheMasterMind1 | who's tille? |
| 21:06:52 | ljp_ | yep.. as an alternate package manager |
| 21:06:56 | TheMasterMind1 | was that sarcasm? |
| 21:07:12 | ljp_ | tille wrote oipkg |
| 21:07:26 | ljp_ | oz does lock up with this sd card |
| 21:07:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:07:41 | kergoth | ljp_: immediately? or at a certain point? |
| 21:08:01 | ljp_ | I stuck it in and soon after it locked up |
| 21:08:06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:08:08 | kergoth | wtf |
| 21:08:08 | ljp_ | rebooting |
| 21:08:10 | kergoth | hrm |
| 21:08:16 | TheMasterMind1 | oipkg's interface is nicer |
| 21:08:17 | ljp_ | this is not the latest oz |
| 21:08:19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:08:28 | nasa | ljp_: did you try to start an app that is installed on the sd card? |
| 21:08:29 | kergoth | i dont get these sd problems, we're using the same damn daemon and module as sharp |
| 21:08:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:08:58 | ljp_ | might be cardmon ?? |
| 21:09:04 | Cloudchaser | how do you all keep up with each other if you're all using different versions |
| 21:09:15 | kergoth | ljp_: could be |
| 21:09:20 | kergoth | nasa: tried removing cardmon? |
| 21:09:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:09:44 | nasa | kergoth: no sure haven't... What is cardmon for? |
| 21:09:54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm this is nice |
| 21:10:07 | TheMasterMind1 | cept there's a few inherent problems in ipkg that still need to be fixed |
| 21:10:12 | TheMasterMind1 | this uses ipkg right/ |
| 21:10:24 | kergoth | nasa: its the icon on the taskbar to let you eject the card and the like |
| 21:10:27 | kergoth | nasa: the applet |
| 21:10:42 | TheMasterMind1 | why is it that the whole z locks up when its ipkg downloading |
| 21:10:50 | nasa | oh... I will do that. |
| 21:11:35 | nasa | I am reflashing as we speak |
| 21:11:55 | Cloudchaser | ok i finally got usb working on linux.. then tried to transfer a large file over usb with smbmount...i came back a while later and my pc was locked up hard... |
| 21:11:57 | ljp_ | ok I removed cardmon |
| 21:12:02 | ljp_ | lemm install something |
| 21:12:04 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: usbdnet sucks |
| 21:12:07 | Cloudchaser | so..the question is...does usb suck that back? |
| 21:12:10 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 21:12:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:12:18 | Cloudchaser | i guess i got my answer |
| 21:12:27 | Cloudchaser | so there's no hope for me/ |
| 21:12:28 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 21:12:32 | Cloudchaser | sniffs |
| 21:13:02 | Cloudchaser | how disappointing to spend 2 days to get usbdnet to work only to have it suck |
| 21:13:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:13:50 | TheMasterMind1 | if its locking up while sending over usdb |
| 21:13:52 | kergoth | we couldve warned ya... for some people its the only option for communication with the z unfortunately |
| 21:13:54 | ljp_ | tries suspend/resume |
| 21:13:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:13:59 | TheMasterMind1 | its because you have the alternate uhci driver |
| 21:14:01 | Cloudchaser | oh wait.. |
| 21:14:03 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of the new one |
| 21:14:13 | kergoth | yeah, wrong uhci can cause a *lot* of problems |
| 21:14:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:14:15 | nasa | I haven't had any problems with usbdnet |
| 21:14:26 | Cloudchaser | no i'm dopey |
| 21:14:39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth grr. why can't i mount -t smbfs |
| 21:14:49 | Cloudchaser | i wasn't using the usdbnet yet.. was copying file over wireless with smbmount |
| 21:14:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mount -t smbfs calls mkfs.smbfs, which calls smbount |
| 21:14:55 | Cloudchaser | has had a coupel |
| 21:14:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so you need smbmount |
| 21:15:10 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
| 21:15:13 | TheMasterMind1 | where do i get that |
| 21:15:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: feel like adding hte smb utils to the buildroot using the new format? ;-) |
| 21:15:18 | Cloudchaser | but i did have some trouble with usb on windows |
| 21:15:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: grab it from ipkgfind |
| 21:15:21 | | ipkgfind is at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org or at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 21:15:21 | kergoth | ibot: ipkgfind |
| 21:15:23 | TheMasterMind1 | *sigh* |
| 21:15:26 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck it |
| 21:15:29 | TheMasterMind1 | smb sucks |
| 21:15:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:15:38 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll smbmount on laptop and nfs share that |
| 21:16:08 | TheMasterMind1 | though |
| 21:16:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i was trying to compare smbmounting to nfs |
| 21:16:20 | TheMasterMind1 | since nfs mounting takes atleast 12 minutes |
| 21:16:23 | TheMasterMind1 | for some strange reason |
| 21:16:27 | TheMasterMind1 | old nfs no doubt |
| 21:16:29 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:16:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i want a new kernel so bad |
| 21:16:59 | TheMasterMind1 | just about as badly as i want a hot girlfriend |
| 21:17:05 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe even moreso |
| 21:17:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you need help |
| 21:17:24 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:17:31 | ljp_ | no lock ups so far |
| 21:17:40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth you're telling me.. |
| 21:18:47 | ljp_ | when was this locking up with sd's? |
| 21:19:39 | nasa | mostly when I was trying to install apps to the sd card or statring apps from sd card |
| 21:19:58 | TheMasterMind1 | locking up or not mounting? |
| 21:20:37 | nasa | specifically "D" process... |
| 21:20:50 | Bovine | hmm, I've recalibrated and tried fbvncserver again, still no input allowed :/ |
| 21:22:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth any ideas on a script that will fix all symlinks to stuff installed on cf/sd/ram ? |
| 21:23:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i've seen two of them from two different people |
| 21:23:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 21:23:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: one of which is sitting in my inbox, the other on a mailing list |
| 21:24:45 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: I wrote one, maybe the one kergoth caught on a mailinglist, if it was zaurus-general. |
| 21:25:37 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:25:40 | TheMasterMind1 | send em to me |
| 21:25:45 | | update oz is Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 21:25:45 | nasa | ibot update oz |
| 21:27:01 | TheMasterMind1 | whikj |
| 21:27:06 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 21:27:09 | TheMasterMind1 | try again |
| 21:27:11 | TheMasterMind1 | or email it to me |
| 21:27:15 | TheMasterMind1 | oz@themastermind1.net |
| 21:27:23 | TheMasterMind1 | which one is this, and which is the other one |
| 21:27:24 | TheMasterMind1 | which is better? |
| 21:27:49 | kergoth | umopapisdn: does yours link a specific app, or an entire media? or ..? |
| 21:27:51 | kergoth | has a horrible memory |
| 21:27:56 | nasa | kergoth: if you follow the website -- it has you remove wget before doing ipkg update .. is this right? |
| 21:28:04 | umopapisdn | kergoth: both. |
| 21:28:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm nice |
| 21:28:16 | TheMasterMind1 | send it again umopapisdn |
| 21:28:20 | kergoth | nasa: err. you should remove wget after the update, and after downloading the busybox ipk locally |
| 21:28:32 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: I just mailed it instead. |
| 21:28:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:28:47 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 21:28:49 | nasa | damn it -- i figured as much... |
| 21:28:49 | TheMasterMind1 | and which is the other one? |
| 21:28:53 | kergoth | umopapisdn: mind cc'ing me, in case i accidentally deleted it from z-g? |
| 21:29:07 | umopapisdn | kergoth: what's your mailaddress? |
| 21:29:24 | kergoth | umopapisdn: kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 21:29:55 | umopapisdn | kergoth: sent. |
| 21:30:06 | kergoth | umopapisdn: thanks |
| 21:30:07 | TheMasterMind1 | which is the other one? |
| 21:30:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: buried in my inbox, let me take a look at em first |
| 21:33:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm this is nice |
| 21:33:43 | TheMasterMind1 | can't we add this to cardmon or something |
| 21:33:49 | TheMasterMind1 | so it mounts and umounts |
| 21:34:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the linking functionality is already in oipkg, we need the ability to utilize it via cardmon, i'd think |
| 21:34:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: rather than usin a script |
| 21:34:29 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 21:34:33 | TheMasterMind1 | but this script is awesome |
| 21:34:42 | TheMasterMind1 | you can "mount" and "umount" a mount point |
| 21:34:49 | TheMasterMind1 | as in symlink and unsymlink stuff that's on there |
| 21:35:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: make cardmon call it for now as a workaround |
| 21:35:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ;-) |
| 21:35:30 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn you are my hero |
| 21:35:33 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:35:46 | TheMasterMind1 | jesus fuck this is great |
| 21:36:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you could make cardmgr and sdmgr do it for you instead of cardmon |
| 21:36:05 | umopapisdn | heeh |
| 21:36:08 | ljp_ | there does seem to be a problem executing apps on the sd |
| 21:36:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then it'd work even if you werent in opie |
| 21:36:10 | Cloudchaser | nice language |
| 21:36:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth alright, where would i change that? |
| 21:36:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ oh? |
| 21:36:50 | ljp_ | running something from embeddedkonsole freezes the term with nothing being echoed at all |
| 21:37:03 | ljp_ | and eventually it freezes opie |
| 21:37:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: /etc/sdcontrol for sd, and in /etc/pcmcia/ .. ide* |
| 21:37:14 | TheMasterMind1 | something that's on the sd? |
| 21:37:18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth alright |
| 21:37:22 | kergoth | ljp_: running something on sd, or anything? |
| 21:37:23 | TheMasterMind1 | though, ipks still needs fixing |
| 21:37:28 | ljp_ | yes sd' |
| 21:37:30 | TheMasterMind1 | symlinks would be nice as part of ipkg |
| 21:37:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, it would be nice |
| 21:37:40 | TheMasterMind1 | and why doesn't it store list of all installed stuff in one place |
| 21:37:42 | kergoth | ljp_: okay, same issue nasa is seeing |
| 21:37:47 | ljp_ | yes |
| 21:37:47 | kergoth | ljp_: what mount options on the sd atm? |
| 21:37:49 | TheMasterMind1 | it has it on /mnt/ram and / and /mnt/card and /mnt/cf |
| 21:37:58 | TheMasterMind1 | all over place |
| 21:37:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: of course it does |
| 21:38:02 | ljp_ | I havent changed fstab |
| 21:38:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats by design, adn its supposed to be that way |
| 21:38:07 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess it makes sense |
| 21:38:11 | ljp_ | hang on |
| 21:38:12 | TheMasterMind1 | so you pull one out |
| 21:38:16 | TheMasterMind1 | and its not installed anymore |
| 21:38:16 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 21:38:17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: because of that, i could give you *my* sd card, and you could run the script and run the apps |
| 21:38:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 21:38:23 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well, this script makes it easy |
| 21:38:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not so pissed off anymore |
| 21:38:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: figure out how to do it automatically in sdcontrol and the ide script and add it to oz ;-) |
| 21:38:53 | ljp_ | noauto,user,owner |
| 21:39:13 | kergoth | ljp_: unmount, try it again using 'defaults,sync' |
| 21:39:44 | ljp_ | sharps is just noauto,owner |
| 21:40:02 | kergoth | hrm |
| 21:40:04 | kergoth | well try that then |
| 21:40:06 | kergoth | what hte hell |
| 21:40:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:41:24 | ljp_ | hmm invalid argument |
| 21:42:18 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:42:20 | ljp_ | defalts,noauto mounted tho |
| 21:43:07 | TheMasterMind1 | i changed some of the wording in usage |
| 21:43:13 | TheMasterMind1 | and fixed the " inside the " " |
| 21:43:27 | ljp_ | didnt help executing something |
| 21:43:43 | kergoth | ljp_: hrm, wtf |
| 21:43:51 | TheMasterMind1 | going to add it to sdcontrol and ide script |
| 21:44:12 | kergoth | ljp_: hmm. same module, same daemon, only difference is kernel options and mounting |
| 21:44:26 | kergoth | ljp_: try installing util-linux-mount with -force-overwrite to use a sane mount rather than busybox mount |
| 21:45:06 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 21:45:06 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 21:45:18 | TheMasterMind1 | sound died all of a sudden |
| 21:45:26 | nasa | see... I'M NOT CRAZY!!! |
| 21:45:40 | TheMasterMind1 | argh! |
| 21:46:11 | TheMasterMind1 | the kpacman ipk is all fucked up |
| 21:46:33 | kergoth | nasa: hehe |
| 21:46:37 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn does your script handle all files installed by the ipk / |
| 21:47:11 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid question |
| 21:47:15 | ljp_ | util-linux-mount? where;s that? |
| 21:47:16 | TheMasterMind1 | looks at the ipkg.list |
| 21:47:16 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 21:47:22 | | i guess update oz is Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 21:47:22 | nasa | ibot update oz |
| 21:47:33 | TheMasterMind1 | scp /sbin/mount zaurus:/sbin/ |
| 21:47:34 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:47:57 | kergoth | ljp_: should be in the feed |
| 21:49:02 | Pvt_Joker | can anyone help me set up up my wireless card |
| 21:49:12 | TheMasterMind1 | :( |
| 21:49:14 | TheMasterMind1 | cries |
| 21:50:32 | ljp_ | I dont see it.. did the feed url change? |
| 21:50:56 | kergoth | no.. hold on, let me check my sanity |
| 21:51:08 | umopapisdn | argh... anyone here good with "popen(..)" (or glibc subprocess communication) ? |
| 21:51:10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do you change volume from the console |
| 21:51:20 | TheMasterMind1 | and can you disable suspending ljp_ ? |
| 21:51:30 | ljp_ | why? |
| 21:51:46 | ljp_ | there's a qcop call I believe |
| 21:51:46 | TheMasterMind1 | because i don't want it to suspend |
| 21:51:54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:52:03 | TheMasterMind1 | suspending while playing movies etc is bad |
| 21:52:08 | ljp_ | hang on lemm find it |
| 21:52:35 | nasa | kergoth: during the upgrade -- is it better to keep the old config files are accept the new? |
| 21:52:50 | Bovine | gaaa, which package can I get mkfifo from? |
| 21:52:59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:53:00 | kergoth | nasa: the only time you need to use your existing ones is if you customized them and dont want them overwritten |
| 21:53:02 | kergoth | Bovine: busybox. |
| 21:53:03 | TheMasterMind1 | fifo = cool |
| 21:53:05 | kergoth | Bovine: upgrrade it |
| 21:53:07 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: disable suspend in what? |
| 21:53:12 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin opie |
| 21:53:24 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: which app |
| 21:53:34 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 21:53:49 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to disable suspend from commandline sometimes.. and need it to do so before running mplayer also |
| 21:54:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you can make it only shut off lcd intead of suspend, for mp3s and shit, in light & power |
| 21:54:26 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, that's what that option is? |
| 21:54:30 | TheMasterMind1 | its not worded very well |
| 21:54:52 | TheMasterMind1 | should be like "Deactivate LCD instead of suspend" |
| 21:54:55 | ljp_ | qcop "QPE/System" "setScreenSaverMode(int)" "2" I think |
| 21:55:16 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 21:55:17 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks ljp_ |
| 21:55:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth you still working on that makefile stuff? |
| 21:56:21 | TheMasterMind1 | does oipkg/aqipkg handle upgrading to different mediums? |
| 21:56:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oipkg does, dunno about the other |
| 21:56:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oipkg doesnt have a upgrade all button though |
| 21:57:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so you tap on them one by one hehe |
| 21:57:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:57:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:57:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i think im' going to do a little ipkg fixing |
| 21:57:50 | Bovine | kergoth: do I have to remove tinylogin before installing the latest busybox? or should I just force it... |
| 21:58:00 | kergoth | Bovine: read the web page |
| 21:58:12 | kergoth | Bovine: busybox includes login, getty, etc. there's no need for tinylogin with the new one |
| 21:58:13 | TheMasterMind1 | my top todo stuff for now: fix ipkg, setup this medium symlink script, fix kpacman's ipk, build a good konq ipk |
| 21:58:15 | | kergoth: huh? |
| 21:58:15 | kergoth | ibot upgrade oz |
| 21:58:19 | | update oz is, like, Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 21:58:19 | kergoth | ibot update oz |
| 21:58:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth can i include konq-gif as part of the konq ipk? |
| 21:58:31 | TheMasterMind1 | or do we have a problem with that |
| 21:58:40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we want to maintain package naming |
| 21:58:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: keep them seperate for compatibility and depends reasons |
| 21:58:48 | TheMasterMind1 | also, write hancom/opera/jeode rippers |
| 21:59:02 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:59:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: get the file lists for them from ben's scripts |
| 21:59:03 | TheMasterMind1 | whatever you say |
| 21:59:13 | TheMasterMind1 | where is bens' script? |
| 21:59:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: zsi iirc |
| 21:59:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i've never used them |
| 21:59:40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 22:00:55 | TheMasterMind1 | a;lskjdf;laksdfklhaklsfh |
| 22:01:38 | ljp_ | TheMasterMind1: qcop "QPE/System" "setVolume(int, int)" "0, 35" first number is zero, last number is percent of full volume |
| 22:01:44 | Cloudchaser | ok...hot plug doesnt appear to work for me.. |
| 22:01:49 | Cloudchaser | looks surprise |
| 22:01:58 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: run netsetup -i usb0 to configure the interface |
| 22:02:15 | Cloudchaser | i did that already |
| 22:02:18 | Cloudchaser | i have to do it again? |
| 22:02:21 | kergoth | er |
| 22:02:23 | kergoth | no |
| 22:02:25 | kergoth | that should be all you need |
| 22:02:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ sweet |
| 22:02:50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: is the CDCEther module getting loaded, or no |
| 22:02:52 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: (lsmod) |
| 22:02:54 | TheMasterMind1 | muchas gracias |
| 22:03:04 | Cloudchaser | damnb |
| 22:03:08 | Cloudchaser | yes it looks liek |
| 22:03:16 | Cloudchaser | i took it out already so many times |
| 22:03:19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: find /lib/modules -name CDCEther.o | xargs rm -f |
| 22:03:19 | Cloudchaser | i don't get it |
| 22:03:25 | nasa | damn system locked up.... |
| 22:03:29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: then depmod -a and try ejecting and reinserting |
| 22:03:36 | Cloudchaser | i did that kergoth but i'll do it again |
| 22:03:49 | nasa | ljp_: did you upgrade your z before using the usb network? |
| 22:03:58 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: If its being loaded, it still exists in /lib/modules somewhere |
| 22:04:01 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: which is why i said to remove it |
| 22:04:31 | Cloudchaser | i did remove it |
| 22:04:36 | Cloudchaser | why is it coming back? |
| 22:04:43 | ljp_ | my z's dont see the network |
| 22:04:46 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: look, just do the find command i said, okay? |
| 22:04:48 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: heh |
| 22:04:55 | Cloudchaser | i did the command you said |
| 22:05:04 | Cloudchaser | i wasn't arguing |
| 22:05:07 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: then its not possible for it to be loaded again |
| 22:05:09 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: okay |
| 22:05:13 | Bovine | kergoth: I'm being really thick, but what part of the web site? All I can find are downloads etc.. no docs specifically |
| 22:05:15 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: so eject and reinsert and see what happens |
| 22:05:17 | kergoth | Bovine: |
| 22:05:19 | | kergoth: i'm not following you... |
| 22:05:19 | kergoth | ibot udpate oz |
| 22:05:23 | | update oz is Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 22:05:23 | kergoth | ibot update oz |
| 22:05:25 | kergoth | Bovine: that one |
| 22:05:27 | Cloudchaser | i just want to know why it came back after i removed it |
| 22:05:32 | kergoth | Bovine: i havent added itt to the faq yet |
| 22:05:40 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: dunno. did you do a make modules_install in your source dir? |
| 22:05:40 | Bovine | ahh |
| 22:05:46 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: if so, it reinstalled every kernel module |
| 22:05:49 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: including that one |
| 22:05:58 | nasa | kergoth: upgrading the z causes it to lose usb networking... |
| 22:05:59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i dunno |
| 22:06:04 | kergoth | nasa: yes, i know |
| 22:06:12 | kergoth | nasa: hotplug scripts got b0rked |
| 22:06:35 | kergoth | nasa: backrev hotplug for now, its on my todo, i finally finished the buildroot shit (the base stuf), so i can start on that type of thing, and the kernel issues |
| 22:07:03 | nasa | right, where is the old hotplug? |
| 22:07:13 | kergoth | nasa: http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/old/ |
| 22:07:43 | kergoth | nasa: you could probably even add it to your ipkg.conf, ipkg shouldnt be braindead enough to downgrade you on its own |
| 22:07:46 | kergoth | nsahhe |
| 22:07:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:07:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth know where i cna get file list for opera/jeodo |
| 22:07:58 | TheMasterMind1 | jeode |
| 22:07:59 | TheMasterMind1 | any idea? |
| 22:08:33 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa if you're feeling adventourous, you can figure out what's different between teh old hotplug config files and the new |
| 22:08:59 | nasa | Why that's a good idea |
| 22:09:05 | nasa | I will do that |
| 22:09:07 | TheMasterMind1 | and if you do, tell me and i'll fix it |
| 22:09:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: from ben's scripts if you can find them, or ask around |
| 22:09:14 | kergoth | nasa: /etc/hotplug/* ;-) |
| 22:09:42 | mjn3 | kergoth: is there any particular reason why mtdram isn't a module? if it were, one could set the size in a modified /etc/init.d/freset instead of having to make the descision at kernel build time. |
| 22:09:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a jeode.ipk |
| 22:09:47 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno about opera |
| 22:10:28 | nasa | kergoth: hotplug is not in that directory |
| 22:11:06 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. how do you play kbill? |
| 22:11:39 | scanline | is away: getting food |
| 22:12:59 | kergoth | mjn3: that wouldnt help us, since you cant adjust the mem= on the kernel commandline as well. |
| 22:13:25 | kergoth | mjn3: if you were to increase mtdram size without decreasing mem=, the kernel would feel free to stomp on the mtdram partition, who knows what th results would be with overlap.. |
| 22:13:47 | kergoth | nasa: err.. damnit. hold on |
| 22:14:46 | nasa | If I want to untar the ipkg -- what is the command for that? I have done "tar xvfz hotplug..ipk" and it tells me that it's not a tar archive... |
| 22:14:54 | kergoth | nasa: new ipk is a new format |
| 22:15:06 | kergoth | nasa: either ar x ./blah.ipk or dpkg-deb -x ./blah.ipk will do it |
| 22:15:10 | kergoth | nasa: iirc |
| 22:15:47 | nasa | ok, I am feeling really dumb -- iirc? |
| 22:16:02 | nasa | and thanks that worked |
| 22:16:28 | kergoth | (if i recall correctly) |
| 22:17:24 | ljp_ | iirc == I is really clever |
| 22:17:42 | nasa | hehe |
| 22:19:59 | Bovine | ergh, what's up with name resolution? /etc/resolv.conf has appropriate entries, /etc/host.conf looks ok... |
| 22:23:25 | nasa | kergoth: bbl -- got to go cut the yard |
| 22:23:31 | mjn3 | kergoth: why would you need to adjust the kernel mem= ??? you would set it to use all ram. then in /etc/init.d/freset you would insmod mtdram.o total_size=xxx erase_size=yyy and the kernel allocates the ram for it. there wouldn't be an overlap |
| 22:29:18 | Com[Plex] | hey, is BigBoss around? |
| 22:29:28 | br33zy | moo |
| 22:30:32 | Com[Plex] | anyone here from tkc? I wanna use paypal to buy this tkcrace. |
| 22:33:25 | Com[Plex] | anyone ehre used tkc race yet? is it any good? |
| 22:33:58 | Com[Plex] | should I get bustem instead? |
| 22:34:33 | Harlekin | does anybody know when interstelar flame is ready? |
| 22:34:36 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 22:34:57 | | com[plex]: i haven't a clue |
| 22:34:57 | Com[Plex] | ibot: interestelar flame? |
| 22:34:59 | ljp_ | still wants to play tempest on his z |
| 22:35:08 | Com[Plex] | ME TOO ljp_ |
| 22:35:14 | treke|home | Harlekin: next week is what I've heard |
| 22:35:17 | Harlekin | whats tempest |
| 22:35:22 | Harlekin | treke|home:cool |
| 22:35:23 | Com[Plex] | old school game. |
| 22:35:31 | Harlekin | treke|home: i think ill buy IF |
| 22:35:48 | treke|home | I'm thinking HDB might be my next one. IF is iffy |
| 22:35:49 | ljp_ | tempest is the coolest game ever |
| 22:35:58 | ljp_ | I have a DOS version of it |
| 22:36:55 | Com[Plex] | I got one called temptest2000 and it Ruled. but its not compatable with todays amchines |
| 22:38:19 | ljp_ | thats the one I have I think. .I still use it with my p900 |
| 22:38:49 | ljp_ | works fine in win2k |
| 22:38:57 | ljp_ | I think |
| 22:39:01 | ljp_ | heh |
| 22:39:45 | Com[Plex] | maybe Ill give it another shot. |
| 22:39:50 | Com[Plex] | it was a blast. |
| 22:39:56 | ljp_ | I may be wrong tho |
| 22:40:19 | Com[Plex] | when will rocket elite come out? |
| 22:40:22 | ljp_ | someone did a tempest-like game for the z.. but it was dog slow |
| 22:40:23 | Com[Plex] | that game lokos awesome |
| 22:40:32 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: its out |
| 22:40:35 | Com[Plex] | yeah, that star castle game or soemthin |
| 22:40:37 | Com[Plex] | it was unplayabl;e |
| 22:41:12 | Com[Plex] | OUCH. rocket elite is more expensive than I can afford right now. :< |
| 22:41:23 | Com[Plex] | I only got 9.41 in my paypal accoutn. lol |
| 22:41:27 | treke|home | yeah. rocket elite is fairly expensive |
| 22:41:48 | Com[Plex] | it looks sexy trho |
| 22:41:57 | treke|home | its hard :) |
| 22:42:25 | Com[Plex] | yeah? like, too hard? |
| 22:42:50 | treke|home | dunno. too hard for me. maybe its not for you :) |
| 22:43:55 | Com[Plex] | how long did yuo play it? how is the visuals on it, I mean, can you se your ship okay? |
| 22:44:11 | treke|home | play the demo |
| 22:45:17 | Com[Plex] | OH YEAH |
| 22:45:20 | Com[Plex] | demos Rule |
| 22:46:53 | TheMasterMind1 | im' back |
| 22:47:29 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 22:47:30 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 22:47:39 | TheMasterMind1 | time to start over it seems |
| 22:47:42 | TheMasterMind1 | too much shit all over |
| 22:48:09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth still around? |
| 22:48:44 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa ? |
| 22:49:51 | BigBoss | Com[Plex]: what's up? |
| 22:50:06 | BigBoss | we don't do paypal specifically unless you can do a credit card transaction |
| 22:50:13 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: hi |
| 22:50:25 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX ksd? |
| 22:50:32 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 22:50:39 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 22:50:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i got some info for ya |
| 22:50:53 | TheMasterMind1 | qcop "QPE/System" "setScreenSaverMode(int)" "2" |
| 22:50:58 | TheMasterMind1 | that makes it not suspend |
| 22:51:06 | TheMasterMind1 | which is something we want when playing movies |
| 22:51:18 | TheMasterMind1 | so if you can incorporate that into it alos, that'd be fantastic |
| 22:51:35 | TheMasterMind1 | then i think i'll just make it run a systemcall to run mplayer |
| 22:52:01 | treke|home | feh, mplayer |
| 22:53:00 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 22:53:04 | TheMasterMind1 | you got something again'st mplayer? |
| 22:53:15 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer 0.90pre7 runs great on the z |
| 22:53:17 | treke|home | nothing beyond the developers being asses |
| 22:53:22 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:53:38 | TheMasterMind1 | the whole redhat deal i can understand |
| 22:53:48 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't know much more than that |
| 22:53:56 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin says the code is fugly too |
| 22:54:10 | TheMasterMind1 | but whatever, the program runs great |
| 22:54:24 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: if i run mplayer from system() mplayer doesn't get the keyboard focus |
| 22:54:27 | treke|home | I dont care for the way they more or less ignored licenses when writing it |
| 22:55:32 | TeaX | so you can't pause or seek backward/forward the video |
| 22:56:07 | scanline | is back (gone 00:44:27) |
| 22:56:15 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX ick |
| 22:56:17 | TheMasterMind1 | that makes sense |
| 22:56:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:56:38 | kergoth | TeaX: popen |
| 22:56:46 | TheMasterMind1 | that's going to get icky though |
| 22:56:51 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be easier to have two programs |
| 22:56:52 | kergoth | TeaX: use popen to interface your stdin and stdout to its stdin and stdou |
| 22:56:52 | TheMasterMind1 | like |
| 22:56:54 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer-start |
| 22:56:55 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer-stop |
| 22:56:56 | kergoth | TeaX: would work fine |
| 22:57:31 | TheMasterMind1 | we'd also have to pass all the arguements to the mplayer |
| 22:57:45 | kergoth | thats easy enough |
| 22:57:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but incase they want to change some of the default ones |
| 22:58:00 | TheMasterMind1 | like i know -fs fucks up sometimes |
| 22:58:08 | TheMasterMind1 | but its nice to have on most movies |
| 22:58:14 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: go read users_against_developers.html from the docs, it's rather entertaining |
| 22:58:20 | TeaX | kergoth: i'm trying that |
| 22:58:33 | TheMasterMind1 | or, what we could do is write an interface to mplayer |
| 22:58:36 | TheMasterMind1 | have checkboxes for the options |
| 22:58:55 | TheMasterMind1 | and maybe have like a mplayer.log |
| 22:58:59 | TheMasterMind1 | for when it errors |
| 22:59:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: a frontend would be pretty straight forward |
| 22:59:16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:59:18 | TheMasterMind1 | select file |
| 22:59:21 | TheMasterMind1 | check options you want |
| 22:59:24 | TheMasterMind1 | cick start |
| 22:59:27 | TheMasterMind1 | it will make it full screen |
| 22:59:29 | TheMasterMind1 | disable suspend |
| 22:59:36 | TheMasterMind1 | start mplayer |
| 22:59:40 | TheMasterMind1 | then reenable suspend |
| 22:59:44 | TheMasterMind1 | refresh the screen |
| 22:59:46 | TheMasterMind1 | and its done |
| 22:59:54 | TheMasterMind1 | what do you think TeaX ? |
| 23:00:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm going to work on updating the rest of the core .mk's from openzaurus.mk and openzaurus-minimal.mk to the new format, so we can build initrd's with it |
| 23:01:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then, I'm building the testing and unstable feeds |
| 23:01:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then, i'm going to setup the buildroot on a cron job to build a unstable initrd.bin for people to grab .. a nightly build |
| 23:01:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: eh? |
| 23:01:41 | TeaX | we don't need to disable suspend if mplayer run from the app |
| 23:02:52 | mjn3 | kergoth: repeating the question wrt mtdram as a module, why would you need to adjust the kernel mem= ??? you would set it to use all ram. then in /etc/init.d/freset you would insmod mtdram.o total_size=xxx erase_size=yyy and the kernel allocates the ram for it. there wouldn't be an overlap |
| 23:03:54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth sweet |
| 23:03:58 | TheMasterMind1 | nightly build = awesome |
| 23:04:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't have to make my own every night |
| 23:04:05 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:04:06 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 23:04:22 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX why not? |
| 23:04:49 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home heh. i dunno, i agree with almost everything they've said in users_against_developers.html |
| 23:04:54 | kergoth | mjn3: when did it gain that functionality? was that in the mtdram back in 2.4.6? |
| 23:04:55 | TheMasterMind1 | don't seem like assholes to me |
| 23:05:01 | TheMasterMind1 | its rather amusing |
| 23:05:07 | TheMasterMind1 | the last bit with that jerkoff |
| 23:05:17 | TheMasterMind1 | joebarr |
| 23:05:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't believe i just read html instead of opening it with links |
| 23:05:48 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 23:05:55 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX why don't we need to stop suspend? |
| 23:06:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hey, the ugly as sin kernel build is about to be half as ugly :-) |
| 23:06:17 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: ah they've changed it |
| 23:06:18 | mjn3 | kergoth: ahh.. that i don't know. it certainly works that way now with the later 2.4.x kernels though. |
| 23:06:35 | kergoth | mjn3: yeah, i know, i've used it for loopback mounting jffs2 images :-) |
| 23:06:37 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: It used to call anyone who distributed a binary package criminals |
| 23:06:41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth howso? |
| 23:06:41 | kergoth | mjn3: i'll look into it, thanks for the suggestion .. its a good idea. |
| 23:06:52 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home lol. |
| 23:06:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: actually.. you know the ugliness when one .mk wants to build a number of ipks? |
| 23:07:06 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 23:07:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: where it goes make -f configs/templates/method balh blah blah blah |
| 23:07:12 | TheMasterMind1 | never noticed that |
| 23:07:12 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:07:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:07:15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:07:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: passes the variables to each one for each ipk |
| 23:07:17 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: and they also had some rather offensive error messages |
| 23:07:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ugly as hell |
| 23:07:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats going away |
| 23:07:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the new setup makes it easy as hell |
| 23:07:40 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 23:07:45 | kergoth | i'll coommit it in a few |
| 23:07:47 | kergoth | you can take a look |
| 23:07:50 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i'm playing movies with my fullscreen app and i have no problem with suspend |
| 23:07:51 | TheMasterMind1 | did you add all those other features we've been adding for the past week |
| 23:07:54 | TheMasterMind1 | to the old buildroot |
| 23:08:02 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX how does that work? |
| 23:08:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oh the autoupdate and depends tracking? |
| 23:08:10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: depends tracking is about 3 lines of code |
| 23:08:10 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:08:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but autoupdate.. |
| 23:08:19 | TheMasterMind1 | autoupdate tracking also |
| 23:08:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i've got a good idea on how to implement it again |
| 23:08:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:08:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but it'll take a bit longer |
| 23:08:27 | TheMasterMind1 | that's good |
| 23:08:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:08:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: right now i want to get shit converted over so i can fix the feeds |
| 23:08:34 | TheMasterMind1 | as long as it works |
| 23:08:36 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:08:37 | TheMasterMind1 | do that first |
| 23:08:46 | kergoth | cause people are bitching about the upgrade process |
| 23:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | but nightly builds kinda need autoupdate |
| 23:08:48 | mjn3 | kergoth: sure. just by way of introduction, i'm one of the main uClibc developers. I've also done work on a number of busybox applets and lib routines... busybox's ifconfig in particular |
| 23:08:50 | kergoth | need a new initrd and shit |
| 23:08:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, true |
| 23:08:55 | TheMasterMind1 | and you need it to bitchmail you when it errors |
| 23:09:29 | kergoth | mjn3: ah, well nice work there ;-) nice to meet you. One of these days i'll swipe the uClibc build from the tuxscreen buildroot to build a uClibc rootfs for OZ |
| 23:09:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i think if we fix hotplug, we can release a new initrd and all should be good |
| 23:09:48 | inomine_ | am i the only 1 having problems updating from handhelds.org atm? |
| 23:10:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah. then I can re-add the features to the buildroot, start the autobuild, and i can focus back on kernel shit again |
| 23:10:12 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX won't it just suspend when the timeout occurs |
| 23:10:17 | TheMasterMind1 | happens to me when i run from commandline |
| 23:10:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not sure what's different when you do it from the app |
| 23:10:39 | mjn3 | kergoth: actually, i just got a Z about a week ago as part of a contract. i'm planning on setting up a uClibc-based system on it in the near future. |
| 23:10:48 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX how do you want to do it right now btw, write a frontend or just have it commandline for now |
| 23:10:59 | TheMasterMind1 | if we're doing commandline, i think the best thing is to just create two apps, mplayer-start and mplayer-stop |
| 23:11:20 | TheMasterMind1 | one to fullscreen, suspend disable and other to unfullscreen reenable suspend and refresh the screen |
| 23:11:24 | TheMasterMind1 | its up to you |
| 23:11:37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth who said they would look at the hotplug stuff.. nasa? |
| 23:11:42 | kergoth | mjn3: oh, excellent. the size of glibc has been getting on my nerves. |
| 23:11:48 | kergoth | mjn3: (more than usual) ;-) |
| 23:11:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, nasa iirc |
| 23:11:55 | Bovine | hmm. how long should the upgrade of opie-base take? I take it 15 mins is a bit excessive... |
| 23:12:14 | nasa | ok, I am back |
| 23:12:26 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa sup, figure anything out? |
| 23:12:40 | nasa | kergoth: nah, I had to do domestic chores.... |
| 23:12:46 | kergoth | nasa: ah, gotcha. |
| 23:13:02 | nasa | kergoth: did you find the old hotplug? |
| 23:13:03 | kergoth | mmm! i want! http://www.scsi4me.com/index.php?display=Enterprise1500.htm@ |
| 23:13:20 | kergoth | nasa: nah i'll build it quick.. i forgot :-) |
| 23:13:43 | kergoth | 4 channel ultra 2 lvcd scsi raid controller, caching, with 128mb included |
| 23:13:45 | kergoth | thats fucking sweet |
| 23:13:55 | kergoth | though i wish it was ultra160.. but htad be even pricier |
| 23:14:05 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:14:13 | ljp_ | I'd take a solid state hard drive |
| 23:14:27 | mjn3 | kergoth: it got on my nerves over two years ago. ;-) btw, i mentioned it here several days ago but got no response. i had to patch usbdnet for 2.4.19 on my notebook to keep it from locking up. in the defer_skb routine, occassionally skb->list was NULL and the attempted deref would cause a kernel oops |
| 23:14:27 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: for the moment we can have it commandline |
| 23:14:40 | nasa | ljp_: did you guys figure anything out withthe sd card? |
| 23:14:47 | ljp_ | not yet |
| 23:15:04 | ljp_ | waiting for util-linux-mount |
| 23:15:38 | kergoth | mjn3: yeah, i noticed that. The host side usb networking drivers all suck, imho. |
| 23:15:44 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX ok |
| 23:15:44 | kergoth | mjn3: usbdnet, usbnet, cdcether.. blah |
| 23:15:50 | kergoth | ljp_: ohh yeah, that |
| 23:15:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:16:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll see if i can figure out enough qt stuff to make a frontend |
| 23:16:04 | TheMasterMind1 | later though |
| 23:16:06 | treke|home | ljp_: new opie-reader compiles now |
| 23:16:28 | TheMasterMind1 | new opie-reader? |
| 23:16:31 | TheMasterMind1 | mnn |
| 23:16:50 | TheMasterMind1 | "Why should we peek through WINDOWS when we can walk through OPEN DOORS?" |
| 23:17:02 | treke|home | ljp_: hopefully its more stable than the old one |
| 23:17:35 | mjn3 | kergoth: unfortunately, i don't currently have a CF wireless nic. at least with my patch i was about to move the bzip'd kernel source to the Z and run x11perf on my notebook and displayed on the Z without a lockup. unfortunately, i don't know the cause. i just treated the symptom |
| 23:17:45 | treke|home | ljp_: missing an image though |
| 23:17:48 | ljp_ | treke|home: dont know. .but any bugs should be reported to mantis, and Tim will see em |
| 23:18:21 | kergoth | mjn3: understood. just threw in a check for the NULL case to warn rather than crash & burn? |
| 23:18:57 | ljp_ | treke|home: the image is there. not sure why its not showing. .its a standard down.png |
| 23:19:32 | ljp_ | at least thats the one not showing here |
| 23:19:45 | treke|home | far right image on the toolbar? |
| 23:21:26 | mjn3 | kergoth: yeah. warn and immediate return. the kernel would clean up the mess and continue (fortunately) |
| 23:21:43 | mjn3 | kergoth: from my logs. Sep 4 18:59:22 mars kernel: defer_skb: list is NULL! |
| 23:21:43 | mjn3 | Sep 4 18:59:23 mars last message repeated 2 times |
| 23:21:43 | mjn3 | Sep 4 18:59:29 mars kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out |
| 23:21:43 | mjn3 | Sep 4 18:59:29 mars kernel: unlink_urbs: unlinking skb: ca994880 len: 1518 jiff |
| 23:21:43 | mjn3 | sig: 735 |
| 23:21:43 | mjn3 | Sep 4 18:59:29 mars kernel: unlink_urbs: unlinking skb: ca9bc480 len: 1518 jiff |
| 23:21:45 | mjn3 | sig: 716 |
| 23:22:12 | kergoth | mjn3: odd, wonder what the actual cause is. |
| 23:23:10 | ntropy | hey, anyone in here ever compile qtopia under OS X? |
| 23:23:12 | mjn3 | kergoth: my symptom hack: |
| 23:23:16 | mjn3 | // unlink from current queue |
| 23:23:16 | mjn3 | - spin_lock_irqsave(&list->lock, flags); |
| 23:23:16 | mjn3 | - __skb_unlink(skb, list); |
| 23:23:16 | mjn3 | - spin_unlock(&list->lock); |
| 23:23:16 | mjn3 | + if (!list) { |
| 23:23:17 | mjn3 | + printk(KERN_DEBUG"defer_skb: list is NULL!\n"); |
| 23:23:19 | mjn3 | + return; |
| 23:23:20 | Com[Plex] | wow, this rocket elite IS hard |
| 23:23:23 | mjn3 | + } else { |
| 23:23:25 | mjn3 | + spin_lock_irqsave(&list->lock, flags); |
| 23:23:27 | mjn3 | + __skb_unlink(skb, list); |
| 23:23:29 | mjn3 | + spin_unlock(&list->lock); |
| 23:23:31 | mjn3 | + } |
| 23:23:36 | angry | Com[Plex]: farthest i've gotten is the moon "Io" |
| 23:23:58 | Com[Plex] | I cant hardly control the silly thing. lol |
| 23:24:07 | kergoth | mjn3: ah, thanks |
| 23:24:24 | mjn3 | kergoth: as i said, don't really have a clue as to the real cause. as it was, i had to hand-copy the oops message since this notebook doesn't have a serail port. :-( |
| 23:24:53 | kergoth | mjn3: i hate that. |
| 23:25:02 | kergoth | mjn3: i'll take a look if i can find the time. |
| 23:25:05 | kergoth | mjn3: thanks for the info. |
| 23:28:26 | mjn3 | kergoth: sure. btw, i gave that patch to someone else the other day and it fixed his problem too. he was using usb-ohci. i'm using usb-uhci. just another data point. |
| 23:28:58 | TheMasterMind1 | yea usbdnet has a major problem with wrong ohci/uhci stuff |
| 23:29:14 | TheMasterMind1 | there's two uhci versions too |
| 23:29:17 | TheMasterMind1 | real pain in the ass |
| 23:29:31 | kergoth | I'm glad greg k-h finally decided on *one* uhci drive |
| 23:29:33 | kergoth | r |
| 23:29:36 | kergoth | woot. |
| 23:29:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:29:58 | mjn3 | indeed. i had a heck of a time getting my usb adsl modem running reliably about a year and a half ago |
| 23:30:45 | kergoth | I wonder if usbdnet will make it into the official tree |
| 23:30:50 | kergoth | and usbd as well for that matter |
| 23:31:04 | kergoth | that reminds me, i need to test his usbd-2.5 tree on the Z and give him test results |
| 23:31:12 | kergoth | updates TODO |
| 23:31:25 | Bovine | nn |
| 23:31:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hows that makefile stuff going |
| 23:31:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: building the old hotplug package for nasa |
| 23:31:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and the mount package for ljp |
| 23:32:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then i'll continue |
| 23:32:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:32:13 | ljp_ | ya.. ljp needs a mount |
| 23:32:27 | mjn3 | kergoth: yeah... got to love those TODO's. my current main TODO is to finish uClibc's i10n/i18n and locale support for mid November |
| 23:32:43 | kergoth | mjn3: ahh that'd be nice to see.. (no pressure) ;) |
| 23:33:02 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 23:33:17 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 23:33:45 | KeyserSoze | howdy, folks. |
| 23:34:07 | nasa | howdyeeee |
| 23:34:17 | KeyserSoze | what comes with a zaurus 5500? |
| 23:34:47 | KeyserSoze | the device itself, and a USB docking station? |
| 23:35:48 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 23:35:55 | KeyserSoze | an AC charger? |
| 23:36:26 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 23:36:34 | mjn3 | kergoth: heh... i finally broke down a couple of months ago and wrote proper time support for uClibc. SUSv3-compliant wrt the TZ env variable. doesn't do the glibc-ish zoneinfo dir tree, but why would you want all that on an embedded device? the only feature i can see an argument for that it is missing is leap second support, and that isn't POSIX anyway |
| 23:36:37 | KeyserSoze | the sharp webpage says it has a "rechargeable replaceable li-ion battery", is that an internal battery? |
| 23:37:24 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze no its removeable |
| 23:37:36 | nasa | hey kergoth: in /etc/hotplug/usbd.conf DHCPS=yes. This seems odd -- it's the z a client not a server? |
| 23:38:39 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 23:38:45 | KeyserSoze | is there a rj45 ethernet or wireless networking on the zaurus or it's dock? |
| 23:39:27 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa i think it might give out ips to the syncing software |
| 23:39:51 | ljp_ | nasa: have you tried to run fsck.ext2 on that sd? |
| 23:40:14 | nasa | TheMasterMind1 -- that's why your the master, good point |
| 23:40:32 | nasa | ljp_: the sd card I have installed is formatted ext2 |
| 23:40:47 | nasa | ljp_: infact that is what I have had the cards formatted 90% of the time |
| 23:40:56 | ljp_ | are there errors on it? |
| 23:41:37 | nasa | ljp_: if you have a lot of lock up -- I would run e2fsck on it (or as I did change /etc/fstab to 1 1) |
| 23:42:04 | ljp_ | ya,, I did, and now am I not seeing lockups |
| 23:42:32 | nasa | ljp_: how much stuff you have installed on the sd card? |
| 23:42:50 | KeyserSoze | will look for a review on the zaurus. sharp's website lacks info. |
| 23:43:03 | ljp_ | hmmm.. nm.. I just used embeddedkonsole to exec something there, and locked it |
| 23:43:59 | nasa | ljp_: can you log in via usb/network and check the status of the processes? |
| 23:44:13 | Shayde | 'lo folks. |
| 23:44:21 | nasa | Hi |
| 23:44:36 | kergoth | nasa: i just upgraded our hotplug version. please first test the latest one in the feed, and if that doesnt work, grab the one in old/ (there's one there now, the april one) |
| 23:45:01 | nasa | aliright, on it |
| 23:45:33 | MSpin | um, this is bad |
| 23:45:49 | MSpin | I jsut did a ipkg upgrade and now ls gives na illegal instruction |
| 23:45:51 | ljp_ | nasa I am running them from embeddedkonsole so I can off them |
| 23:45:54 | Shayde | wow, the idjit question i was about to ask is moot - i just figured it out. yay |
| 23:45:54 | kergoth | nasa: the only changes i see between 04 and 08 are positive |
| 23:45:57 | kergoth | MSpin: hm, thats bad. |
| 23:46:09 | MSpin | kergoth: the only update was busybox |
| 23:46:25 | kergoth | MSpin: hmm, i wonder if someone broke something. should check the cvslogs |
| 23:47:04 | Shayde | hmm. so i'm going on a trip tomorrow. wanna load games. i have a bunch of MAME roms i snarfed about 2 years ago.. should i just get qMame and be hapy with that? |
| 23:47:13 | Shayde | or zMame? or.. ? |
| 23:48:14 | ljp_ | or at least get back by shutting down the konsole |
| 23:48:23 | inomine_ | www.eogames.com |
| 23:48:36 | MSpin | well...say goodby to that OZ install |
| 23:49:05 | Shayde | you mean eongames? |
| 23:49:18 | inomine_ | any1 know when we gonna see ver of opie that adresses the font bug crrently in the feed? |
| 23:49:24 | inomine_ | near enough :) |
| 23:49:26 | Shayde | heh |
| 23:49:43 | Shayde | ah, strategic assault is from them. |
| 23:49:44 | Shayde | nods. |
| 23:50:00 | inomine_ | rocket elite rosck as well |
| 23:50:06 | inomine_ | nethack is good |
| 23:50:19 | Shayde | i have nethack :) |
| 23:50:29 | Shayde | looks at bust'em. |
| 23:50:41 | inomine_ | my ver for some reason refuses to save game :( |
| 23:50:42 | kergoth | bust'em is one fast & furious game |
| 23:50:44 | kergoth | damn good |
| 23:51:05 | Shayde | downloads teh demo. |
| 23:51:18 | Shayde | should i plug in my headphones? |
| 23:51:24 | inomine_ | yes |
| 23:51:39 | Shayde | k. how good is SA (stratgic assault) - looked fairly Command and Conquer-esque... |
| 23:51:52 | Com[Plex] | tapfest |
| 23:51:55 | inomine_ | its not too bad just not my cup of tea |
| 23:51:56 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 23:52:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: converting libc6 to the new format. going to be a pain in the ass |
| 23:52:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:52:40 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like fun |
| 23:52:48 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm watching van wilder |
| 23:52:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:52:48 | Shayde | there are tooo many commercial games fro the Z. not enough free / demo'ed ones. what's with handango stuff - they don't seem to ffer demos on -anything-. |
| 23:53:25 | inomine_ | there are quite a lot of zaurus games... |
| 23:53:26 | ljp_ | developers like to eat also |
| 23:53:42 | inomine_ | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showapps.php?cat=4 |
| 23:53:52 | nasa | kergoth: just noticed a new problem (although it may be related...) I can't mount my cf card |
| 23:53:57 | Shayde | who said i wanted to starve developers? the quantity of -truly shitty- games is amazing... i don't like having to plunk down $20 for a game that may or may not suck |
| 23:54:09 | Shayde | if the demo doesn't suck, i buy it. |
| 23:54:27 | inomine_ | then dl rocket elite that game truly owns |
| 23:54:32 | Shayde | heh |
| 23:54:32 | Shayde | k |
| 23:54:39 | nasa | bb after dinner |
| 23:56:10 | ljp_ | Shayde: try tictac from opie.. _it_ ownes! |
| 23:56:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:56:30 | kergoth | opie-buzzword rocks |
| 23:56:49 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:56:52 | TheMasterMind1 | what are you playing with |
| 23:58:21 | saurus | how should i start mysqld on this thing. heheh |
| 23:58:33 | saurus | any special flags? |
