| 00:00:07 | chayim|poochedZ | Cloudchaser : I think so, but who really knows now. |
| 00:00:27 | chayim|poochedZ | erp... pizza isn't sitting well;;;;;;;;;;;; me ----> washroom. |
| 00:00:30 | Cloudchaser | why not download it again, change the name and re-try |
| 00:01:23 | TheMasterMind1 | "washroom" |
| 00:01:24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:01:44 | ljp | whooops.. my rum and coke is a bit strong |
| 00:02:22 | Cloudchaser | ooh i think i'll make me a little drink |
| 00:02:32 | Cloudchaser | no work tomorrow...again |
| 00:02:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:02:53 | TheMasterMind1 | if only openzaurus had boobs.. |
| 00:03:15 | Cloudchaser | coughs |
| 00:03:37 | TheMasterMind1 | oops.. did i say that out loud? |
| 00:03:40 | Cloudchaser | hiya tux_mike |
| 00:04:08 | tux_mike | hey |
| 00:04:24 | Microdim | how do I get the Z to dhcp an IP? so that I can sync? |
| 00:04:44 | Cloudchaser | which rom? |
| 00:04:51 | Microdim | 2.38 |
| 00:05:02 | Cloudchaser | it won't synch over network |
| 00:05:05 | Cloudchaser | has to be usb |
| 00:05:08 | Microdim | I know |
| 00:05:18 | Microdim | I have a connection with the usb |
| 00:05:43 | Microdim | but it wont sync with the software, unless I can ftp to the Z first...so I have been told |
| 00:05:51 | Cloudchaser | hmm? |
| 00:05:55 | extremis | kergoth_: release? |
| 00:06:24 | Microdim | Cloudchaser: I have tried to ftp to it and it says "connection refused" |
| 00:06:40 | TheMasterMind1 | extremis ? |
| 00:06:55 | Cloudchaser | is it still 4242 for 2.38? |
| 00:07:08 | Microdim | I think so |
| 00:07:37 | ljp | yes,, that or port 666 |
| 00:07:46 | Cloudchaser | so you ftp 192.168.129.201:4242 ? |
| 00:08:12 | Microdim | do you put the " : " between the ip and the port or can it just be a space? |
| 00:08:14 | TheMasterMind1 | ftp://root@192.168.129.201:4242/ |
| 00:08:39 | Cloudchaser | that or log on as root from menu in ie |
| 00:08:50 | Cloudchaser | you using linux or windows? |
| 00:09:08 | ljp | or ftp://greatGoogliMoogli@192.168.129.201:666 |
| 00:09:13 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 00:09:19 | Microdim | I am using linux |
| 00:09:25 | Cloudchaser | what ftp client? |
| 00:09:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ftp |
| 00:09:36 | TheMasterMind1 | open ip port |
| 00:09:37 | Microdim | i just used the console ftp |
| 00:09:58 | chayim|poochedZ | I'm back. |
| 00:10:00 | Cloudchaser | and you're sure your usb is working fine? |
| 00:10:00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:10:13 | chayim|poochedZ | TheMasterMind1 : plugging it all back in and doing a reflash. |
| 00:10:25 | chayim|poochedZ | plugs it in first. |
| 00:10:26 | Microdim | well I can ping the device |
| 00:10:29 | Cloudchaser | chayim|poochedZ: good luck and may the force be with you |
| 00:10:40 | chayim|poochedZ | Cloudchaser : always. |
| 00:11:14 | Microdim | and if I type in ifconfig I see a usb0 device with an ip |
| 00:11:23 | chayim|poochedZ | has a solid yellow power led . |
| 00:11:23 | Cloudchaser | what ip address? |
| 00:11:24 | Microdim | that is if the z is pluged in |
| 00:11:52 | Microdim | 192.168.129.200 |
| 00:12:37 | Cloudchaser | 1.6 qtopia desktop? |
| 00:12:45 | Microdim | yup |
| 00:12:50 | Cloudchaser | no ipchains or anything running? |
| 00:12:58 | chayim|poochedZ | Cloudchaser : my Zaurus turns on. time for a reflash boys & girls. |
| 00:13:04 | Cloudchaser | yay! |
| 00:13:08 | kagemusha | can you ping 192.16.29.201? |
| 00:13:21 | kagemusha | ^Microdim: |
| 00:13:33 | Cloudchaser | Microdim: do you have firewall stuff on your linux? |
| 00:13:43 | chayim|poochedZ | has a reflash in progress. |
| 00:13:51 | Microdim | I have mandrake 8.2 fresh install |
| 00:13:55 | Cloudchaser | keeps her fingers crossed |
| 00:14:11 | Cloudchaser | yes but when you installed did you enable ipchains or iptables or whatever it is? |
| 00:14:20 | Microdim | I can ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 00:14:20 | Cloudchaser | the firewall? |
| 00:14:41 | Microdim | I didnt enable any firewalls let me check though |
| 00:14:49 | kagemusha | Microdim: when you say fresh, you mean with the relevant patches for the Z right? |
| 00:15:59 | Microdim | I mean I just installed it from yesterday...and in the how to it says I dont need to down load anything to get the see working...I just need to configure it |
| 00:17:08 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|poochedZ that worked? |
| 00:17:09 | kagemusha | I use debian, so I don't know about Mandrake, but I believe that you have to patch your kernel (I had to under debian) |
| 00:17:14 | TheMasterMind1 | debian! |
| 00:17:14 | chayim|poochedZ | has ROM 1.13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:17:18 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|poochedZ heh |
| 00:17:21 | TheMasterMind1 | you're welcome :DD |
| 00:17:27 | Microdim | does the rsync service need to be on |
| 00:17:39 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : thanks |
| 00:17:40 | Cloudchaser | you got it??? |
| 00:17:45 | chayim|lucky | Cloudchaser : thanks for the aura help =) |
| 00:17:55 | Cloudchaser | hehe any time |
| 00:18:12 | ljp | see the great gooli-moogli helped |
| 00:18:13 | chayim|lucky | Cloudchaser : waddya think, should I refuse to learn from my mistakes and run OZ? |
| 00:18:20 | Cloudchaser | up to you |
| 00:18:24 | chayim|lucky | ljp : sorry, I forgot about you. |
| 00:18:41 | chayim|lucky | refuses to learn from history and is doomed to repeat it. let the OZing begin! |
| 00:18:42 | Cloudchaser | i am back on sharp rom |
| 00:18:55 | Cloudchaser | i think oz has some issues at the moment |
| 00:18:59 | kagemusha | is there anyway to get Hancom office and insignia jeode running on OZ? |
| 00:19:00 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky run a newer oz version |
| 00:19:11 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky like 2.9.6 from testing runs well |
| 00:19:13 | chayim|lucky | Cloudchaser : OZ has tonnes of issues. |
| 00:19:25 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : but the only zimage-32 published on sourceforge is 2.9.5.5 |
| 00:19:30 | HelicalCynic_ | anybody gotten a CF modem working in OZ? |
| 00:19:42 | Cloudchaser | i guess it depends on whether or not you need to actually use your z |
| 00:19:46 | Microdim | in the tutorials they say you dont need to patch anything |
| 00:19:59 | Cloudchaser | in what tutorials? |
| 00:20:06 | chayim|lucky | Cloudchaser : he he he. I do need my Z. Mind you I'll have to beg for the wepkey @ work again. |
| 00:20:23 | Microdim | zauruszone/howtos |
| 00:20:23 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ |
| 00:20:34 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : but hope stable are we talking? |
| 00:20:37 | Microdim | I am running mandrake 8.2 |
| 00:20:44 | Cloudchaser | testing usually means its not stable or ready for release |
| 00:20:53 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky as long as you don't use a cf card, its fine |
| 00:20:59 | TheMasterMind1 | or usb syncing |
| 00:21:02 | TheMasterMind1 | :0D |
| 00:21:02 | chayim|lucky | Cloudchaser : that's the way I go when I write my software |
| 00:21:08 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I do both of those daily. |
| 00:21:14 | TheMasterMind1 | sucks to be you |
| 00:21:21 | chayim|lucky | I know I know. |
| 00:21:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i fixed the cf issue |
| 00:21:28 | chayim|lucky | who knows what band that way? |
| 00:21:30 | TheMasterMind1 | but hotplug/usb is still borked i think |
| 00:21:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i can give you an initrd with latest opie and qte and fixed pcmcia/cf stuff |
| 00:22:11 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : will it be up to date with the feeds (i.e. a timesaver?)? |
| 00:22:27 | TheMasterMind1 | the feeds are old |
| 00:22:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm talking about opie from an hour ago |
| 00:22:43 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I wonder how dead my Z will be with these toys. |
| 00:22:45 | ljp | maybe you just need to take oz out for dinner and a movie before trying hotplug... hehehe |
| 00:23:01 | TheMasterMind1 | it runs just fine for me |
| 00:23:05 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp lol |
| 00:23:19 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : with CF, SD and 802.11? |
| 00:23:30 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I don't actually use the USB. |
| 00:23:38 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky ah, i use all three of those also |
| 00:23:40 | TheMasterMind1 | and it works fine |
| 00:23:50 | TheMasterMind1 | nor do i use usb |
| 00:23:58 | TheMasterMind1 | which is why i'm not fixing it as we speak :D |
| 00:24:02 | kagemusha | is there anyway to get Hancom office and insignia jeode running on OZ? |
| 00:24:10 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : probably against my better judgement. |
| 00:24:27 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha painfully, maybe.. |
| 00:24:32 | ljp | so becaus eyou dont use it, you arent fixing it? |
| 00:24:42 | chayim|lucky | ljp: welcome to open source my friend. |
| 00:24:48 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp well, that and i have no idea whats causing the problem.. |
| 00:25:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i dont' have first hand experience with it so i dunno what exactly is wrong |
| 00:25:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i did with the cf issue so i could fix it |
| 00:25:20 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky if you want i'll send this initrd to you |
| 00:25:25 | TheMasterMind1 | it actually runs very very well |
| 00:25:41 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : what about all those known issues (ipkg installs, etc.). |
| 00:25:54 | kagemusha | TheMasterMind1: define painfully, because I'm absolutely addicted to javanoid, and Hancom Office is useful for email attachments |
| 00:26:20 | Microdim | do you guys think that it would be easier to flash oz on my z instead of sharp...I mean do you think it will work better ( the usb sync ) |
| 00:26:26 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha i'm not sure it will work properly.. i might try messing with it and get it working later on |
| 00:26:43 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky eh? what known issues.. |
| 00:27:08 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : ummm... ipkg randomly not working. |
| 00:27:16 | kagemusha | Microdim: I don't think so, I would suggest following the howto at zauruszone about howto access the internet from the Z over usb |
| 00:27:21 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky hmm...? never heard of that one |
| 00:27:24 | TheMasterMind1 | this is the build i use myself |
| 00:27:31 | TheMasterMind1 | so i've fixed everything that doesn't work for me |
| 00:27:32 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 00:27:40 | HelicalCynic_ | anybody know the status of the serial CF driver in OZ? |
| 00:27:47 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky what kernel are you looking for |
| 00:27:50 | kagemusha | TheMasterMind1: also ipkg not installing to mtdram properly |
| 00:27:51 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : can you send me some stuff, and I'll sleep on it? |
| 00:27:54 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a 42-16 or whatever compiled |
| 00:27:59 | TheMasterMind1 | i can make you one you want |
| 00:28:13 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I need the zImage-32. |
| 00:28:14 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg in sharps rom is just crap |
| 00:28:18 | HelicalCynic_ | I'm getting an irq of 35 for my modem, which doesn't seem right. |
| 00:28:32 | ljp | irq 35? |
| 00:28:38 | HelicalCynic_ | yup |
| 00:28:55 | kagemusha | TheMasterMind1: could you make send me the initrd as well? |
| 00:28:58 | chayim|lucky | Cloudchaser : from or to your Z. |
| 00:29:07 | ljp | wow.. that must be windows |
| 00:29:17 | HelicalCynic_ | ljp : ttyS03 at port 0xf60003f8 (irq = 35) is a 16550A |
| 00:29:21 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky wait, you don't need a new kernel do you.. just an initrd right? |
| 00:29:32 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : how do I know. |
| 00:29:34 | ljp | setserial |
| 00:29:34 | Cloudchaser | i have no problems with sharps ipkg or package manager |
| 00:29:41 | HelicalCynic_ | ljp : nope, that's from "dmesg | more" on OZ |
| 00:29:45 | HelicalCynic_ | ah |
| 00:29:58 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky you don't |
| 00:30:01 | TheMasterMind1 | there's only one kernel anyway |
| 00:30:06 | HelicalCynic_ | ljp : not there, I'll have to find an ARM version... |
| 00:30:08 | ljp | try setting it to irq 3 or 4 |
| 00:30:18 | ljp | oh this is on z? |
| 00:30:30 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I found the zimage-32 file in testing/2.4.7 |
| 00:31:24 | HelicalCynic_ | ljp : yup, I'll see what I can do with the setserial .ipk |
| 00:31:28 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky that's old |
| 00:31:29 | TheMasterMind1 | use |
| 00:31:35 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/initrd.bin-2.9.9 |
| 00:31:42 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : ah.. then where pray tell do i get some good files? |
| 00:31:50 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky dont' use that 2.4.7 kernel |
| 00:31:52 | ljp | hmm what modem? |
| 00:31:54 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky good files? |
| 00:32:08 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : newest initrd and zImage-32. |
| 00:32:56 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky i just gave you a link to initrd |
| 00:33:01 | TheMasterMind1 | and use the zImage from teh sf page |
| 00:33:04 | TheMasterMind1 | or the one you already have |
| 00:33:06 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : wgetting it now. |
| 00:33:07 | TheMasterMind1 | zImage hasn't been changed |
| 00:33:41 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i create a Packages file? |
| 00:33:48 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : initrd is the actual ROM image correct? and zImage is just the kernel? |
| 00:33:55 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: spiff! [Mon Sep 9 21:00:41 2002] |
| 00:33:55 | ljp | ibot: seen whardier |
| 00:33:59 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : there's a script at www.zauruszone.com/howtos |
| 00:34:02 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky yep |
| 00:34:15 | kagemusha | chayim|lucky: initrd is the filesystem zImage is kernel |
| 00:34:33 | chayim|lucky | kagemusha : so I'll grab the old zImage-32 then. |
| 00:34:36 | chayim|lucky | Cloudchaser : yup. |
| 00:34:39 | HelicalCynic_ | ljp : Ambicom 56k |
| 00:34:49 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky what's the script called? |
| 00:35:02 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : 10 seconds I'll pop in an url |
| 00:35:23 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 00:35:25 | TheMasterMind1 | those are ipks |
| 00:35:29 | TheMasterMind1 | but there's no Packages |
| 00:35:55 | kagemusha | is the sf project name for the kernel just openzaurus? |
| 00:36:41 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I can't actually find the url for the script but if you email me (chayim@gnupower.net) I'll email you the script. |
| 00:37:11 | Cloudchaser | microdim i just read a post that said you have to change the ip address of usb0 to 192.168.129.1 for synch to work |
| 00:37:28 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : this will never flash, the initrd is too big (14811135 bytes). |
| 00:38:05 | kagemusha | Cloudchaser: on the Z or the comp? |
| 00:38:11 | Cloudchaser | on the comp |
| 00:38:21 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=2725&hl=linux+sync&s=9af993ce3d115bec0afad88070ef7a24 |
| 00:38:32 | HelicalCynic_ | ljp : got it somewhat working, had to set the device in /etc/ppp/options to /dev/ttyS3 not /dev/ttyS03 |
| 00:38:36 | chouimat|away | be victimized by a netsplit? |
| 00:38:46 | chayim|lucky | chouimat|away : quoi? |
| 00:38:50 | ljp | cool |
| 00:38:55 | Cloudchaser | hiya chouimat|away |
| 00:39:01 | chouimat|away | chayim|lucky: just get back |
| 00:39:27 | chouimat|away | hi Cloudchaser, btw I think i just drink too much beers |
| 00:39:45 | HelicalCynic_ | now to get ppp to actually connect to the outside world... |
| 00:39:46 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 00:39:48 | chayim|lucky | chouimat|away : I've been here for a bit. |
| 00:39:51 | HelicalCynic_ | gotta go |
| 00:40:44 | kagemusha | Cloudchaser: I don't believe that is correct, once again I suggest just setting up the z to access the internet over usb (there is a howto at zauruszone), and then you will also be able to sync |
| 00:40:58 | chouimat|away | chayim|lucky: left a 15h00 EST and irc ok get back and everything begin at 17h55 :( |
| 00:41:00 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 00:41:06 | Cloudchaser | you do what you have to |
| 00:41:18 | chouimat|drunk | need to eat |
| 00:41:25 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky alright done.. i created a Packages also |
| 00:41:30 | Cloudchaser | i don't use usb on linux, i use wireless |
| 00:41:30 | TheMasterMind1 | so you can just use it as a feed if you need |
| 00:41:31 | kagemusha | Cloudchaser: I could of course be wrong =) |
| 00:41:49 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky if you find any issues, tell me so i can fix em |
| 00:41:58 | TheMasterMind1 | overall, it works very well |
| 00:42:02 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I'm still debating the plunge. |
| 00:42:08 | TheMasterMind1 | much much better than 2.9.5.5 |
| 00:42:11 | TheMasterMind1 | like 100x better |
| 00:42:11 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : overall means exactly what? what doesn't work? |
| 00:42:15 | TheMasterMind1 | SOOOOOOO much stuff has been fixed |
| 00:42:21 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim|lucky everything works afaik |
| 00:42:34 | Cloudchaser | he means he doesn't know what might be broken |
| 00:42:37 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I always say that after I release software, but it's never been true before. |
| 00:42:44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:42:47 | TheMasterMind1 | whatever |
| 00:42:49 | TheMasterMind1 | its up to you |
| 00:43:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i've been running it and its running nicely |
| 00:43:43 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I've got the files, now I just need to scrounge up the courage. |
| 00:43:47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:44:04 | TheMasterMind1 | scaredycat |
| 00:44:14 | kagemusha | TheMasterMind1: I would "take the plunge" but I need java, actually I think I saw a referenc to jeodecreator or somesuch a while back... |
| 00:44:26 | kagemusha | googles for jeodecreator |
| 00:44:38 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 00:44:43 | TheMasterMind1 | no like java |
| 00:44:50 | chayim|lucky | TheMasterMind1 : I love java. |
| 00:44:57 | TheMasterMind1 | but i'll attempt to get jeode and hancom working on oz |
| 00:44:59 | TheMasterMind1 | just not now |
| 00:45:05 | TheMasterMind1 | right now i gotta jet |
| 00:45:08 | TheMasterMind1 | bbiaf |
| 00:46:32 | kagemusha | aha! http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/jeodcreator_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 00:46:48 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:46:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha run that, and send me the ipks that are created |
| 00:47:05 | TheMasterMind1 | same with hancomcreater |
| 00:47:14 | kagemusha | k |
| 00:47:16 | kagemusha | will do |
| 00:47:49 | kagemusha | TheMasterMind1: what's your email? |
| 00:47:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ipks@themastermind1.net |
| 00:47:51 | TheMasterMind1 | send em there |
| 00:48:00 | kagemusha | I've got to eat, but I''l be back |
| 00:48:03 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:48:05 | [DrEvil] | you can't distribute them though |
| 00:48:08 | TheMasterMind1 | whenver you have time |
| 00:48:14 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] yea yea |
| 00:48:36 | TheMasterMind1 | i'd make em myself but no way i'm going to reflash to sharp just to get those ipks |
| 00:49:44 | Guest | :'(:@(d) |
| 00:50:15 | chayim|lucky | runs to put out a fire. back tomorrow am. |
| 00:51:31 | whardier | :) |
| 00:51:37 | Cloudchaser | WHARDIER! |
| 00:51:40 | whardier | w3rd |
| 00:52:07 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:52:09 | Cloudchaser | whats news whardier? |
| 00:52:12 | antadam | is there anyone here who can asnwer some questions about the zaurus...like in messages so i don't bug the room |
| 00:52:27 | whardier | you cannot interrigate us |
| 00:52:29 | TheMasterMind1 | just ask here |
| 00:52:29 | whardier | you cuban cigar! |
| 00:53:17 | antadam | first thing really is can you hook up a hard drive is the biggest thing. i plan on doing development stuff and i read the cradble has a usb hookup and when i went to staples i didn't see anything but usb to your computer |
| 00:53:19 | kagemusha|eat | TheMasterMind1: where do I go for the most recent zImage? |
| 00:53:38 | Cloudchaser | antadam: z is usb client not host |
| 00:53:51 | chouimat|drunk | cuban cigar ? where? I want one ? |
| 00:53:52 | antadam | good deal |
| 00:53:56 | kagemusha|eat | antadam: you can mount directories from your (linux) comp on the z |
| 00:54:05 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha|eat latest zImage is on the sourceforge site |
| 00:54:06 | Cloudchaser | right |
| 00:54:12 | TheMasterMind1 | latest initrd.bin is on that link i posted |
| 00:54:24 | kagemusha|eat | TheMasterMind1: 2.9.5.5? |
| 00:54:27 | antadam | fair enough |
| 00:54:37 | Cloudchaser | heya chouimat|drunk: you're not alseep yet? |
| 00:54:39 | kagemusha|eat | antadam: the Sharp rom has builtin nfs |
| 00:54:50 | kagemusha|eat | ^nfsclient that is |
| 00:55:23 | | sex is, like, updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 00:55:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot sex |
| 00:55:25 | antadam | the other thing is and this is sort of just my ignoranse b/c i don't do a whole lot of qt programming, but does anything you write need to be written in java or can stuff be written in c or c++ or anything and compiled to run on the zaurus? |
| 00:56:08 | TheMasterMind1 | antadam yes.. you can do c/c++ |
| 00:56:13 | kagemusha|eat | c and c++ zauruszone.com has some howtos about cross-compiling etc |
| 00:56:14 | TheMasterMind1 | you can actuall cross compile existing linux apps |
| 00:56:31 | kagemusha|eat | TheMasterMind1: is 2.9.5.5 what I want? |
| 00:57:12 | antadam | any suggestions on a brand of wireless card or do the yall work fairly well? |
| 00:58:10 | kagemusha|eat | antadam: I;ve ahd linksys wcf12 suggested strongly |
| 00:58:39 | kagemusha|eat | ^now that's a fine example of my well english skills |
| 00:59:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha|eat no |
| 00:59:30 | saurus | the howto says the mmc cards are cheaper but that is not what I am seeing> |
| 00:59:30 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha|eat get zImage |
| 00:59:42 | saurus | sd seems 1/2 the price |
| 00:59:45 | TheMasterMind1 | and then get tjhsst.edu/~agupta/initrd.bin-2.9.9 |
| 00:59:58 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: HEY |
| 01:00:31 | antadam | so if i can get a zaurus w/an extra 128 meg sd card for $400 its worth it? |
| 01:00:48 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: hey |
| 01:01:01 | kagemusha|eat | TheMasterMind1: I got that already, I understand that I just need zimage just asking the zImage from which version |
| 01:01:14 | kagemusha|eat | TheMasterMind1: thanks for all the help |
| 01:01:17 | TheMasterMind1 | antadam hmm.. zaurus for 337 and sd 128 for 66 |
| 01:01:18 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: ok wlet me check it out now |
| 01:01:29 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: DUDE |
| 01:01:31 | KallDrexx | HOLY CRAP |
| 01:01:35 | KallDrexx | guess hwo big it is |
| 01:01:37 | antadam | TheMasterMind1: yeah i'm looking at pretty much that exact same price...does that sound like a good deal? |
| 01:01:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha|eat yea, latest zImage.. the one that is best for you.. look at the FAQ and decide what storage-ram you want |
| 01:01:51 | TheMasterMind1 | antadam yea.. |
| 01:01:55 | TheMasterMind1 | free shipping at buy.com |
| 01:02:10 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx how big what is? |
| 01:02:26 | Onyx4 | ?? |
| 01:02:33 | antadam | TheMasterMind1: cool thanks a lot |
| 01:02:43 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: 103M |
| 01:02:45 | Onyx4 | is it correct or not |
| 01:02:46 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: 103mb |
| 01:02:52 | KallDrexx | at 128 bitrate |
| 01:02:58 | KallDrexx | has to test htis out |
| 01:03:12 | Onyx4 | that's cool |
| 01:03:14 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx what movie..? |
| 01:03:31 | KallDrexx | LOTR part 1 (wasn't getting below 190MB before had to install libmp3lame or something |
| 01:03:40 | TheMasterMind1 | part 1? |
| 01:03:41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:03:55 | TheMasterMind1 | see how it runs with mplayer |
| 01:04:01 | saurus | heads off to this magical buy.com. |
| 01:04:18 | antadam | i'm out thanx for the info |
| 01:04:34 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 01:04:42 | TheMasterMind1 | buy.com is great |
| 01:04:52 | TheMasterMind1 | and if they lower the price within 30 days |
| 01:04:57 | TheMasterMind1 | you can get a refund |
| 01:05:00 | TheMasterMind1 | for the price difference |
| 01:05:03 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: yeah i'm about to see how Mplayer runs with it |
| 01:05:05 | TheMasterMind1 | like the zaurus went down $65 |
| 01:05:10 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx tell me how it goes |
| 01:05:20 | KallDrexx | ok putting it on my CF now |
| 01:06:02 | TheMasterMind1 | waits anxiously for the results |
| 01:06:27 | ljkp | results are: zaurus 1 user 0 |
| 01:07:24 | Onyx4 | how much kbytes/s your transfer with your CF reader? |
| 01:07:36 | Onyx4 | over usbdnet I was getting like 700kb/s that's not much |
| 01:07:54 | KallDrexx | uh it's like 1.5 or something |
| 01:07:56 | KallDrexx | etiher way |
| 01:08:01 | KallDrexx | usbdnet is broke for me |
| 01:08:06 | KallDrexx | and segfaults my kernel at random |
| 01:08:09 | KallDrexx | so i use it sparingly |
| 01:08:12 | Onyx4 | plus I get a bunch of re-transmits and such over usbdnet yeah |
| 01:08:22 | Onyx4 | it crashed my z a couple of times too hehe |
| 01:09:05 | KallDrexx | noo |
| 01:09:07 | KallDrexx | it crashed my computer |
| 01:09:08 | KallDrexx | not my z |
| 01:09:15 | Onyx4 | oh |
| 01:09:21 | Onyx4 | not me |
| 01:09:23 | KallDrexx | yeah :-/ |
| 01:09:42 | Onyx4 | so you do like 1.5mbytes transfer rate? |
| 01:10:02 | Onyx4 | im getting mine tomorrow so I'll see how fast it is |
| 01:10:09 | KallDrexx | I believe it's something like that |
| 01:10:09 | Onyx4 | I don't have firewire but I heard those are real fast |
| 01:10:16 | KallDrexx | I know my CF is capable of 8x speed |
| 01:10:21 | Onyx4 | I think it's limited by the USB bus not the CF card |
| 01:10:28 | KallDrexx | well |
| 01:10:33 | KallDrexx | my reader on the box i think said 1.5 |
| 01:10:56 | Onyx4 | I forgot how much is an "x" let's see |
| 01:10:58 | | i think cf is used for network-like devices such as wireless or ethernet and can be used with compactflash media cards which are getting cheaper everyday. Excellent for audio/video files. or see http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/default.asp |
| 01:10:58 | Onyx4 | ibot: cf |
| 01:11:13 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: same as 8x cdrom |
| 01:12:02 | Onyx4 | x=150kb/s so 8x = 1.2mbytes/s |
| 01:12:39 | KallDrexx | yeah that sounds right when reading hte viking web site |
| 01:12:48 | Onyx4 | you have a viking one? |
| 01:12:59 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx try it yet? |
| 01:13:13 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: still transfering calm down :) |
| 01:14:04 | Onyx4 | my lexar is not speed rated, it must be a slow one, it was cheap too 90$ for 256 |
| 01:14:18 | Onyx4 | I ordered the viking 512mb for 140$ |
| 01:14:22 | KallDrexx | mine was 94 |
| 01:14:24 | KallDrexx | jesus christ |
| 01:14:29 | KallDrexx | that'sa fuckin good deal |
| 01:14:43 | Onyx4 | it's still available AFAIK |
| 01:14:48 | KallDrexx | is broke |
| 01:14:49 | badalex|hw | Onyx4: where did you get that! |
| 01:15:00 | KallDrexx | fuck dude i would have paid the $50 and gotten the 512 |
| 01:15:24 | Onyx4 | off of amazon.com with a mail-in rebate and instant coupon read this http://www.bensbargains.net/ktalk/1031292529,96659,.shtml |
| 01:15:45 | Onyx4 | that's why I'm still thinking of selling my 256 on ebay for like 80-90$ |
| 01:15:50 | badalex|hw | Onyx4: cool |
| 01:15:56 | KallDrexx | HAHAHAH |
| 01:15:57 | KallDrexx | IT WORKS |
| 01:15:59 | KallDrexx | SOUND AND ALL |
| 01:16:00 | KallDrexx | SMOOTH |
| 01:16:01 | KallDrexx | HAHAHHAHAHAHA |
| 01:16:03 | Onyx4 | no way? shit |
| 01:16:08 | KallDrexx | YEAH |
| 01:16:13 | KallDrexx | NO MEMORY ERROR EITHER |
| 01:16:16 | Onyx4 | my sound must be broken |
| 01:16:23 | KallDrexx | still dark tho |
| 01:16:27 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx with? |
| 01:16:30 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx mplayer? |
| 01:16:30 | KallDrexx | mplayer |
| 01:16:33 | KallDrexx | :) |
| 01:16:36 | TheMasterMind1 | kickarse |
| 01:16:39 | chouimat|drunk | KallDrexx: not so loud |
| 01:16:42 | Onyx4 | mm you have my version with the BRIGHTNESS settings? |
| 01:16:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to encode me some movies |
| 01:16:45 | KallDrexx | chouimat|drunk: :) |
| 01:16:49 | chouimat|drunk | KallDrexx: my head :) |
| 01:16:55 | Onyx4 | just bump it more like 15 to 20 if it's too dark |
| 01:16:57 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: I donwloaded it this afternoon |
| 01:16:59 | KallDrexx | chouimat|drunk: hehe osrry :) |
| 01:17:14 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: it's brighter, but it's still a tiny bit dark |
| 01:17:20 | KallDrexx | and of course there are some non-smooth parts |
| 01:17:23 | KallDrexx | but it's not that many |
| 01:17:28 | Onyx4 | ok depends on the original, so 20 would work right |
| 01:17:33 | chouimat|drunk | KallDrexx: hehe :) good night |
| 01:17:35 | Onyx4 | just edit the script you'll see it |
| 01:17:38 | KallDrexx | chouimat|drunk: hehe night |
| 01:17:43 | Onyx4 | BTW, you can ajust the brightness on the fly |
| 01:17:51 | Onyx4 | mplayer -vop eq=10 |
| 01:17:58 | KallDrexx | chosweeet |
| 01:17:59 | Onyx4 | or mplayer -npp al |
| 01:17:59 | KallDrexx | err |
| 01:18:00 | chouimat|drunk | KallDrexx: :) |
| 01:18:01 | KallDrexx | sweet |
| 01:18:13 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: actually it's not that bad |
| 01:18:14 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx what oz version are you running |
| 01:18:17 | KallDrexx | uhhh |
| 01:18:20 | KallDrexx | the latest sf.net one |
| 01:18:24 | KallDrexx | not testing |
| 01:18:27 | TheMasterMind1 | with upgrades from feed? |
| 01:18:35 | KallDrexx | yeah |
| 01:18:38 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 and you? |
| 01:18:40 | KallDrexx | i think |
| 01:18:49 | Onyx4 | sort of the latest, but not the current latest, the one before that |
| 01:19:05 | TheMasterMind1 | that's probably causing it |
| 01:19:13 | Onyx4 | but mplayer doesn't depend on opie, it's strange the sound problem I'm getting |
| 01:19:23 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but you're running old stuff over all |
| 01:19:32 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of stuff has been fixed |
| 01:19:33 | Onyx4 | but it works with op2 so i'm still ok, i'll upgrade soon anyway |
| 01:19:42 | DaWorm | re |
| 01:19:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't wait until we release the next oz |
| 01:19:48 | Onyx4 | waiting for new kernel to be stable |
| 01:19:57 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: what's wrong with it? it's stable for me |
| 01:19:59 | TheMasterMind1 | you don't need the new kernel |
| 01:20:01 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: why? |
| 01:20:05 | Onyx4 | see if you can compile mplayer with libmad externally |
| 01:20:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try that |
| 01:20:14 | TheMasterMind1 | it should work |
| 01:20:46 | Onyx4 | since libmad is available for opie, I think you wont' need to provide it just link with it |
| 01:21:08 | TheMasterMind1 | but its staticly linked.. |
| 01:21:16 | Onyx4 | in op2 not opie-libmad |
| 01:21:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:21:25 | KallDrexx | man this is o grea |
| 01:21:26 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll look into it |
| 01:21:26 | KallDrexx | t |
| 01:21:30 | TheMasterMind1 | when i tried it last time it crapped out |
| 01:21:49 | Onyx4 | yeah see if maybe you can link static in mplayer then |
| 01:21:56 | Onyx4 | by default mplayer link dynamic with it |
| 01:22:11 | TheMasterMind1 | yea.. |
| 01:22:33 | Onyx4 | and you have to edit the codecs.conf to take out mp3lib so that it uses libmad |
| 01:22:38 | Onyx4 | I just tried it on my desktop this afternoon |
| 01:23:17 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i can do that |
| 01:23:22 | TheMasterMind1 | the hard part is compiling |
| 01:23:28 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: woah i can see it rpetty well with 25% backlight |
| 01:23:30 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: but are you getting the problem where the black borders still have old text in them from the mplayer output? |
| 01:23:38 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 yea i still get that |
| 01:23:42 | TheMasterMind1 | find a way around that? |
| 01:23:42 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: what do you mean? |
| 01:24:11 | Onyx4 | so maybe we need a little application that calls a fullscreen opie mode and just puts all black, then run mplayer on top of that |
| 01:24:30 | Onyx4 | there is an example in the howtos how to make a fullscreen app |
| 01:24:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:24:56 | TheMasterMind1 | who wants to volunteer? |
| 01:24:57 | Onyx4 | or we may just need to redirect the output of mplayer to /dev/null |
| 01:25:01 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe |
| 01:25:02 | TheMasterMind1 | try that |
| 01:26:26 | KallDrexx | oh you mean how it leaves the last frame? |
| 01:26:31 | Onyx4 | no |
| 01:26:48 | KallDrexx | ohhh |
| 01:26:50 | KallDrexx | that black border |
| 01:26:54 | KallDrexx | WOAH |
| 01:26:55 | Onyx4 | for me the mplayer startup text is re-written over the black widescreen borders |
| 01:27:00 | KallDrexx | i can watch it with no backlight fine |
| 01:27:12 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: ah yeah i see what you mean |
| 01:27:14 | Onyx4 | with the brightness higher? |
| 01:27:23 | Onyx4 | I mean the mplayer eq setting higher? |
| 01:27:46 | KallDrexx | yeah set it to 15 |
| 01:27:57 | Onyx4 | I see |
| 01:28:06 | KallDrexx | haha |
| 01:28:09 | KallDrexx | is soo happy now :) |
| 01:28:15 | Onyx4 | so that's like 30 from the original, since my encoder does 15 boost to it already |
| 01:28:15 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 it kinda works |
| 01:28:26 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 but the clocks and other stuff keeps popping up |
| 01:28:31 | TheMasterMind1 | when the time changes |
| 01:28:37 | TheMasterMind1 | and the cursor still stays on the screen |
| 01:28:40 | TheMasterMind1 | though the text goes away |
| 01:28:41 | KallDrexx | lol Onyx4 |
| 01:28:41 | Onyx4 | yeah so we need a little fullscreen opie app to prevent that |
| 01:32:01 | KallDrexx | jeez Onyx4 |
| 01:32:05 | Onyx4 | yes? |
| 01:32:08 | KallDrexx | mencoder goes so mcuh faster now too |
| 01:32:15 | KallDrexx | i'm glad you thought of the lame library :) |
| 01:32:15 | Onyx4 | yeah of course |
| 01:32:24 | Onyx4 | it's always better to compile it from source |
| 01:34:29 | Onyx4 | is there any gotcha when upgrading from the older opie to the latest feed |
| 01:34:38 | Onyx4 | I heard so much issues about it in the last couple of days |
| 01:35:03 | KallDrexx | just reflashed |
| 01:35:27 | Onyx4 | you reflashed from the /testing image? |
| 01:35:35 | KallDrexx | no |
| 01:35:38 | KallDrexx | well yeah |
| 01:35:41 | KallDrexx | I had a testing one |
| 01:35:46 | KallDrexx | something happened |
| 01:35:49 | KallDrexx | went back to sharp |
| 01:36:00 | KallDrexx | went back to latest oz on sf |
| 01:36:44 | Onyx4 | the one I gave you the url for? in openzaurus.sf.net/testing ? |
| 01:36:55 | KallDrexx | I never used that |
| 01:36:55 | KallDrexx | cause |
| 01:37:04 | KallDrexx | hwen i asked kergoth the next day for that link |
| 01:37:11 | KallDrexx | he said it was barely stable |
| 01:37:21 | KallDrexx | i'm using the latest one posted in the files section on sf |
| 01:37:26 | Onyx4 | oh ok, so you reflashed the old old one and upgraded manually |
| 01:37:37 | KallDrexx | yep |
| 01:37:43 | KallDrexx | i did an ipkg upgrade |
| 01:37:43 | KallDrexx | sucked |
| 01:37:47 | KallDrexx | cause i kept runing out of room |
| 01:37:51 | KallDrexx | so i had to run it about 25 times |
| 01:37:59 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 01:45:10 | Onyx4 | so you're happy with the quality of LOTR at 128? imagine just a normal movie at higher bitrate it's much better |
| 01:47:18 | TheMasterMind1 | who was the person who used netcat a lot in here? |
| 01:53:04 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: VERY |
| 01:57:08 | Onyx4 | now the next challenge is battery :) |
| 01:57:16 | Onyx4 | I was able to watch about 1h45m with 1/2 light on |
| 01:57:32 | Onyx4 | so maybe with 1/4 and boost the brightness I might do the whole 2hours |
| 01:59:59 | darienm|away | ... |
| 02:00:07 | | I haven't seen 'erikd|sleep', darienm |
| 02:00:07 | darienm | ibot seen erikd|sleep |
| 02:07:28 | Onyx4 | so you could use netcat and use STDIN into mplayer from the net? :) |
| 02:07:49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:07:57 | oGMo | Onyx4: i've done it on my notebook |
| 02:08:04 | whardier | would you marry me? |
| 02:09:03 | oGMo | like i said yesterday though the only problem is you can't seek and that gets annoying with tv since you can't skip commercials |
| 02:09:12 | Onyx4 | true |
| 02:09:28 | oGMo | but it works mostly |
| 02:09:54 | oGMo | labors to type at a readonable rate |
| 02:10:04 | oGMo | reasonable |
| 02:10:22 | chayim | I'm back! |
| 02:10:26 | Onyx4 | what program you use to record TV? |
| 02:10:36 | chayim | Onyx4 : on the Z or the desktop? |
| 02:10:38 | oGMo | are you certain? |
| 02:10:41 | Onyx4 | desktop |
| 02:10:50 | oGMo | Onyx4: there are a few |
| 02:11:07 | chayim | Onyx4 : linux vcr project plus xawtv |
| 02:11:23 | oGMo | i use mp1e since my box is slow, the quality is ok, and it works |
| 02:11:28 | Onyx4 | I wonder if one would use mencoder as backend |
| 02:11:34 | Onyx4 | so I could format my movies directly in divx |
| 02:11:45 | oGMo | check out mythtv.org for a complete beatiful qt-based PVR project |
| 02:11:52 | oGMo | that uses something else |
| 02:12:06 | oGMo | Onyx4: if your box is fast enough that'd rock |
| 02:12:22 | Onyx4 | yeah it's 1ghz |
| 02:12:41 | oGMo | hrm, should work |
| 02:12:58 | Onyx4 | I can encode at 50fps non-realtime with mencoder, so real-time should be no problem |
| 02:13:07 | oGMo | hmm |
| 02:14:55 | Onyx4 | I think that tv episodes are perfect for the Z since the don't last too long and most of the time I don't use my Z for long periods of time |
| 02:15:12 | Onyx4 | so I might encode stuff like buffy dvd episodes and x-files and friends |
| 02:24:13 | VerxHome | anyone here have one of those socket low power CF wireless cards? |
| 02:24:31 | Onyx4 | did you get yours? |
| 02:24:46 | VerxHome | yeah, I did |
| 02:24:49 | VerxHome | it doesn't work tho |
| 02:24:54 | VerxHome | all it does is lock my Z up |
| 02:25:02 | Onyx4 | when you put it in? |
| 02:25:05 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 02:25:12 | VerxHome | it detects it and then it locks up |
| 02:25:18 | Onyx4 | mmm hard to troubleshoot then |
| 02:25:27 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 02:26:11 | Onyx4 | oz rom? |
| 02:26:24 | VerxHome | yup |
| 02:26:40 | Onyx4 | I wonder if it's not orinoco/hermes based card |
| 02:26:47 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: sweet part 2 is only 96M |
| 02:28:31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:28:41 | DaWorm | who got to run qmame here without any probs? |
| 02:29:03 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 someone gonna write the fullscreen app to view mplayer properly? |
| 02:29:06 | Onyx4 | there is zmame and qmame |
| 02:29:19 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: dunno, must not be too hard |
| 02:29:32 | | KallDrexx: huh? |
| 02:29:32 | KallDrexx | ibot mame |
| 02:29:35 | | qmame is at http://www.climov.com/zaurus/qmame/ |
| 02:29:35 | KallDrexx | ibot qmame |
| 02:30:53 | | Onyx4: sorry... |
| 02:30:53 | Onyx4 | ibot: zmame |
| 02:31:09 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 02:31:09 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for zmame |
| 02:31:11 | | ZMAME 0.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=20 |
| 02:31:11 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for zmame |
| 02:31:22 | KallDrexx | what's the difference? |
| 02:31:30 | Onyx4 | didn't try either |
| 02:32:33 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 02:32:33 | Onyx4 | ibot zmame is at http://zmame.mameworld.net/ |
| 02:34:25 | whardier | you nurbs |
| 02:34:35 | Onyx4 | ?? |
| 02:34:42 | whardier | you heard me |
| 02:34:43 | whardier | nurb boy |
| 02:35:10 | | Onyx4: excuse me? |
| 02:35:10 | Onyx4 | ibot: kick whardier |
| 02:35:16 | whardier | nurb |
| 02:35:20 | | whardier: i'm not following you... |
| 02:35:20 | whardier | ibot nurb |
| 02:35:39 | | OK, whardier. |
| 02:35:39 | whardier | ibot nurb is a mathmatical definition of a three dimensional surface |
| 02:35:48 | Onyx4 | sugar make whadier a margarita |
| 02:35:49 | Sugar | rubs the rim of a cocktail glass with lemon or lime rind and dip in salt then shakes ingredients with ice and strain into salt rimmed glass and serves it to whadier. |
| 02:35:53 | whardier | you nurbs |
| 02:36:10 | whardier | I have margs |
| 02:36:12 | whardier | err |
| 02:36:13 | whardier | hate |
| 02:36:14 | whardier | heh |
| 02:36:24 | whardier | I just drank sojmething disgusting today |
| 02:36:54 | whardier | some cheap piss beer |
| 02:37:00 | whardier | freaky |
| 02:40:14 | KallDrexx | night guys |
| 02:40:30 | Onyx4 | now I can put p0rn on my Z :) just kidding |
| 02:40:49 | VerxHome | anyone else have a socket wireless card for their Z? |
| 02:41:02 | Onyx4 | I think mastermind has one |
| 02:41:09 | Onyx4 | he uses the orinoco-cs driver |
| 02:41:16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? |
| 02:41:20 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i have one |
| 02:41:26 | TheMasterMind1 | socket low power wlan |
| 02:41:31 | TheMasterMind1 | its a nice card |
| 02:41:37 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: ok, yeah, that is the very one my wife got me |
| 02:41:44 | VerxHome | if I insert it into the Z |
| 02:41:46 | VerxHome | it just locks up |
| 02:42:14 | VerxHome | my Z identifies it |
| 02:42:17 | TheMasterMind1 | what rom/etc/etc/etc |
| 02:42:29 | VerxHome | the last thing it does is show the socket card was detected |
| 02:42:31 | TheMasterMind1 | z version/opie/romtype |
| 02:42:32 | whardier | nurb |
| 02:42:34 | VerxHome | this is OZ |
| 02:42:34 | TheMasterMind1 | bleh blah bloh |
| 02:42:42 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:42:43 | TheMasterMind1 | oz |
| 02:42:45 | TheMasterMind1 | what else |
| 02:42:48 | VerxHome | well |
| 02:42:49 | TheMasterMind1 | 5500? |
| 02:42:52 | VerxHome | oh |
| 02:42:53 | VerxHome | 5000d |
| 02:42:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:42:55 | VerxHome | sorry |
| 02:42:58 | TheMasterMind1 | last updated when? |
| 02:43:06 | TheMasterMind1 | from the feed |
| 02:43:07 | VerxHome | about a week ago |
| 02:43:10 | VerxHome | from the feed |
| 02:43:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:43:14 | VerxHome | because the feed has issues |
| 02:43:20 | TheMasterMind1 | did you install the spectrum_cs ipk from the feed |
| 02:43:41 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 02:43:41 | ||ugh | Humm, I wonder if there is any sort of Zaurus group that meets in the SF Bay Area? |
| 02:43:49 | VerxHome | no, I didn't themastermind |
| 02:43:56 | VerxHome | but it had a socket driver |
| 02:43:59 | VerxHome | socket_cs.o |
| 02:44:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think its there |
| 02:44:07 | TheMasterMind1 | where does it have that? |
| 02:44:15 | VerxHome | sec |
| 02:44:41 | TheMasterMind1 | www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/kernel-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4d_arm.ipk |
| 02:44:43 | TheMasterMind1 | grab that |
| 02:44:44 | TheMasterMind1 | and install it |
| 02:44:50 | TheMasterMind1 | with -force-overwrite |
| 02:45:27 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 02:45:28 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:45:29 | VerxHome | will do |
| 02:45:30 | VerxHome | sec |
| 02:49:11 | VerxHome | ok, downloaded it |
| 02:49:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:49:14 | TheMasterMind1 | install it |
| 02:49:16 | VerxHome | it took a while to install |
| 02:49:20 | VerxHome | it is installed now tho |
| 02:49:37 | VerxHome | ok, ejecting my CF memory card |
| 02:49:47 | Onyx4 | dont you have to reboot |
| 02:49:56 | VerxHome | I doubt it |
| 02:50:00 | VerxHome | why would I need to reboot? |
| 02:50:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:50:08 | Onyx4 | if the module wasn't loaded then it would be ok |
| 02:50:08 | TheMasterMind1 | wait |
| 02:50:12 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:50:14 | TheMasterMind1 | run depmod -a |
| 02:50:15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:50:15 | VerxHome | ok, waiting |
| 02:50:17 | Onyx4 | you might need to depmod tough |
| 02:50:32 | VerxHome | I always depmod after installing modules |
| 02:50:33 | VerxHome | heh |
| 02:50:38 | Onyx4 | ok try it |
| 02:50:38 | VerxHome | can I plug it in now? |
| 02:50:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:50:46 | TheMasterMind1 | try now |
| 02:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:50:50 | VerxHome | it says new card |
| 02:50:52 | VerxHome | and it found it |
| 02:50:54 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:50:57 | TheMasterMind1 | and did it lock up? |
| 02:51:01 | VerxHome | socket communications cf + lp wlan |
| 02:51:02 | VerxHome | just like before |
| 02:51:07 | VerxHome | now lemme see if it locks up |
| 02:51:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:51:12 | VerxHome | looks like it did |
| 02:51:15 | VerxHome | ssh died |
| 02:51:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:51:21 | VerxHome | screen is nonresponsive |
| 02:51:25 | TheMasterMind1 | reboot |
| 02:51:27 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 02:51:33 | TheMasterMind1 | for good measure |
| 02:51:34 | VerxHome | leave it in |
| 02:51:36 | VerxHome | or no? |
| 02:51:37 | TheMasterMind1 | your pcmcia might be old also |
| 02:51:38 | VerxHome | (the cf) |
| 02:51:39 | TheMasterMind1 | yea leave it in |
| 02:52:10 | Onyx4 | I wonder if it tries to load the prism2 module for it |
| 02:52:10 | VerxHome | when I tried this before |
| 02:52:25 | Onyx4 | like the /etc/pcmcia/prism2.conf would have it defined |
| 02:52:26 | TheMasterMind1 | you might have an old pcmcia |
| 02:52:31 | VerxHome | it locked up at the transition between kernel kprints and opie |
| 02:52:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:52:39 | VerxHome | the black screen of death you might say |
| 02:52:41 | TheMasterMind1 | ok take it out |
| 02:52:42 | TheMasterMind1 | reboot |
| 02:52:45 | TheMasterMind1 | and install the new pcmcia |
| 02:52:51 | VerxHome | k |
| 02:52:58 | TheMasterMind1 | pcmcia-cs_3.2.1-2_arm.ipk |
| 02:53:07 | TheMasterMind1 | tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/pcmcia-cs_3.2.1-2_arm.ipk |
| 02:53:27 | VerxHome | who is this agupta guy? |
| 02:53:29 | VerxHome | or gal |
| 02:53:31 | TheMasterMind1 | me :d |
| 02:53:38 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 02:53:43 | VerxHome | well, thanks a lot for making these ipks |
| 02:53:46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:53:51 | Onyx4 | so that's the equivalent of the /feed/testing or OZ? |
| 02:53:51 | TheMasterMind1 | its the latest oz build |
| 02:53:57 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 no, its newer |
| 02:53:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:54:14 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a /feed/testing ? |
| 02:54:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i never knew.. |
| 02:54:18 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 02:54:20 | VerxHome | there is |
| 02:54:24 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 02:54:25 | VerxHome | kergoth is using it for 2.4.7 testing |
| 02:54:27 | TheMasterMind1 | these are brand new |
| 02:54:32 | TheMasterMind1 | just compiled a few hours ago |
| 02:54:35 | TheMasterMind1 | especially pcmcia |
| 02:54:38 | TheMasterMind1 | i had to fix a few bugs |
| 02:55:12 | Onyx4 | how old are you mastermind? :) |
| 02:55:21 | TheMasterMind1 | 15 |
| 02:55:31 | Onyx4 | wow... you sure know a lot for 15 hehe |
| 02:55:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:55:41 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:55:43 | VerxHome | installed |
| 02:55:46 | VerxHome | rebooting again |
| 02:55:49 | VerxHome | just to be sure |
| 02:55:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:55:52 | Onyx4 | I'm 25 |
| 02:55:55 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 02:55:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 02:56:03 | TheMasterMind1 | its 12 am already |
| 02:56:06 | TheMasterMind1 | need to sleep |
| 02:56:21 | TheMasterMind1 | looks like kergoth just dozed off and never came back |
| 02:56:26 | Onyx4 | so do you think the sf.net/feed is ok to upgrade to or it's buggy? |
| 02:56:29 | W|GGL|T | should be in bed...kids totally kicked my ass today |
| 02:57:04 | TheMasterMind1 | it should be ok |
| 02:57:10 | TheMasterMind1 | but its a real pain to upgrade |
| 02:57:13 | DaWorm | oh i love kids |
| 02:57:14 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:57:15 | TheMasterMind1 | screws up half the time |
| 02:57:19 | | TheMasterMind1: excuse me? |
| 02:57:19 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot upgrade oz |
| 02:57:23 | | TheMasterMind1: sorry... |
| 02:57:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz upgrade |
| 02:57:34 | | somebody said update oz was Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 02:57:34 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot update oz |
| 02:57:42 | TheMasterMind1 | try that |
| 02:57:45 | TheMasterMind1 | it should work.. |
| 02:58:01 | TheMasterMind1 | or if you want to reflash, use tjhsst.edu/~agupta/initrd.bin-2.9.9 |
| 02:58:07 | TheMasterMind1 | with a kernel from the sf page |
| 02:58:15 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno about 2.4.7 though |
| 02:58:18 | TheMasterMind1 | stick with 2.4.6 for now |
| 02:58:57 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: Is your Z supposed to drag to a near complete halt when you plug this thing in? |
| 02:59:41 | VerxHome | it appears it hasn't completely locked up |
| 02:59:47 | VerxHome | it is just unbelievably slow |
| 03:00:03 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 03:00:07 | VerxHome | hitting enter and getting a shell prompt back takes a bit more than a minute |
| 03:00:10 | TheMasterMind1 | it should just work |
| 03:00:27 | Onyx4 | yeah I think I'll wait for 2.9.6 to be ready hehe |
| 03:00:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:00:38 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 03:00:46 | TheMasterMind1 | it's always worked for me since the first oz i tried |
| 03:00:59 | VerxHome | yeah well |
| 03:01:02 | VerxHome | I always get the fuckups |
| 03:01:10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:01:11 | VerxHome | they prolly changed the firmware on the socket cards |
| 03:01:17 | VerxHome | and the new ones won't ever work with linux |
| 03:01:17 | TheMasterMind1 | they might have |
| 03:01:19 | TheMasterMind1 | that would be bad |
| 03:01:22 | VerxHome | and I was lucky enough to be the first oen |
| 03:01:27 | VerxHome | that would be my luck |
| 03:01:34 | VerxHome | my wife bought me this thing |
| 03:01:40 | VerxHome | she keeps asking me if it is working yet |
| 03:01:46 | VerxHome | I am about to tell her it is |
| 03:01:51 | VerxHome | she wanted it to be such a nice surprise |
| 03:02:01 | VerxHome | (and it IS! - it just doesn't work) |
| 03:02:03 | Onyx4 | maybe the newer kernel will help |
| 03:02:12 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:02:15 | Onyx4 | it sounds like a kernel or pcmcia problem to me |
| 03:02:16 | VerxHome | the 2.4.7 one you mean? |
| 03:02:22 | Onyx4 | yeah that or 2.4.19 |
| 03:02:25 | VerxHome | well |
| 03:02:26 | Onyx4 | when its ready |
| 03:02:28 | VerxHome | bleh |
| 03:02:41 | VerxHome | I might go back to sharp rom over this |
| 03:02:42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:02:49 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome see if it works in the sharp rom |
| 03:02:52 | VerxHome | at least int he short term. . . |
| 03:02:55 | TheMasterMind1 | though it might be a pain to get working in that one too |
| 03:03:12 | VerxHome | well |
| 03:03:15 | VerxHome | tomorrow |
| 03:03:15 | TheMasterMind1 | there's some stuff on the web on how to do it |
| 03:03:21 | VerxHome | I am really beat tonight |
| 03:03:21 | TheMasterMind1 | you need to get spectrum ipk |
| 03:03:25 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 03:03:30 | TheMasterMind1 | same |
| 03:03:31 | TheMasterMind1 | night |
| 03:03:38 | VerxHome | see ya |
| 03:03:40 | VerxHome | thanks for your help man |
| 03:04:34 | mrwoody | does freenet work on Z? |
| 03:04:35 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 03:04:38 | TheMasterMind1 | it will work eventually |
| 03:04:42 | TheMasterMind1 | mrwoody freenet..? |
| 03:04:45 | | oz feed is see oz3 feed |
| 03:04:45 | Onyx4 | ibot: oz feed |
| 03:04:50 | TheMasterMind1 | need to sleeeeeeeeeeep! |
| 03:04:50 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 03:04:50 | Onyx4 | ibot: oz3 feed |
| 03:04:50 | TheMasterMind1 | bye |
| 03:05:09 | Onyx4 | why remove tinylogin? |
| 03:09:23 | whardier | you gonna miss something so small? |
| 04:15:24 | Speedy2 | re |
| 04:21:54 | Wembly | hihihi |
| 05:03:25 | sig | hey W|GGL|T |
| 05:03:29 | sig | you around dude? |
| 05:03:35 | W|GGL|T | jeah |
| 05:03:38 | W|GGL|T | wassa |
| 05:03:40 | sig | check this out |
| 05:03:46 | sig | this is the dedicated z machine |
| 05:03:48 | sig | SysInfo-> OS: Windows XP/NT/2000 | SysUptime: 1day(s) 0h 11m | CPU: x86 Family 6 Model 4 Stepping 2 AuthenticAMD running at 1011 MHz | RAM: 223/895 MB (25%) | Swap: 154/1979 MB | Disk Space: 37.26 GB Free: 27.65 GB | Time is: 11:09:57 PM, Thursday, September 12, 2002 |
| 05:05:20 | sig | I got a winamp script for xp too |
| 05:05:46 | sig | 14Winamp 0. - Unknown - Track 01 (playing) - 0kHz 0kbps 0 channels - 1h 6m 38s long 15|45>15 14(?%)15| |
| 05:05:48 | W|GGL|T | z machine? |
| 05:06:01 | sig | yeah |
| 05:06:11 | W|GGL|T | zaurus? |
| 05:06:14 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:06:18 | W|GGL|T | not running XP |
| 05:06:35 | sig | no I installed this machine just for the z |
| 05:06:42 | W|GGL|T | oh...that's right |
| 05:06:49 | sig | 14Winamp 0. - Vanessa Carlton - Ordinary Day (CD) 1 (playing) - 0kHz 0kbps 0 channels - 3m 57s long 15|45>15 14(?%)15| |
| 05:06:57 | sig | installed perl on this puppy |
| 05:07:17 | W|GGL|T | i'd like to learn perl but its sooo....weird |
| 05:07:23 | sig | W|GGL|T: you using openz? |
| 05:07:28 | W|GGL|T | no |
| 05:07:34 | sig | perl is the shit |
| 05:07:45 | sig | sharp ROM? |
| 05:07:51 | W|GGL|T | i keep thinking about it, but i keep seeing people with OZ probs daily |
| 05:07:52 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 05:07:54 | sig | I'm still using the Sharp ROM |
| 05:07:54 | W|GGL|T | 2.37 |
| 05:07:56 | sig | yup |
| 05:08:26 | W|GGL|T | i think imma wait a few more months to see how OZ settles |
| 05:08:28 | sig | I just finally backed my z incase of another whoops mistake |
| 05:08:34 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:09:05 | sig | I have to get up at 4:30a.m., gonna go fishing with my brother for salmon |
| 05:09:19 | sig | we caught 3 salmon and 1 stealhead today |
| 05:09:23 | W|GGL|T | loves fishing |
| 05:09:31 | W|GGL|T | never caught anything big though |
| 05:09:38 | sig | I like it too, but I don't like early mornings. |
| 05:09:48 | W|GGL|T | just a shitload of crappie |
| 05:10:04 | W|GGL|T | i'll get up in the morn easy if it means fishing |
| 05:10:15 | sig | croppie is fun |
| 05:10:16 | W|GGL|T | nice, quiet |
| 05:10:16 | sig | brb |
| 05:10:19 | W|GGL|T | k |
| 05:11:22 | sig | well dude, I think I'm gonna head to bed man... |
| 05:11:40 | sig | I have a hard enuogh time as it is getting up in the morning. |
| 05:12:26 | W|GGL|T | ok |
| 05:12:27 | sig | I'll talk to you later bro |
| 05:12:28 | W|GGL|T | night dude |
| 05:12:30 | sig | g'nite |
| 05:12:42 | sig | is away | sleep, then fishing | |
| 06:13:01 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 06:16:46 | whardier | howdy howdy howdy |
| 06:26:08 | Bala | hello |
| 06:26:16 | smee | anyone got any good opie backgrounds? |
| 06:49:29 | smee | should opie backgrounds be 320x240 pngs? |
| 06:57:49 | particule | Bonjour! |
| 07:26:31 | DaWorm | re |
| 07:51:33 | cdm2 | evening. |
| 08:33:21 | Datake | cool |
| 08:35:28 | cdm2 | cool? |
| 08:39:19 | Datake | yeah cool |
| 08:39:26 | Datake | as in cool there are actually people here :) |
| 08:40:01 | Datake | so everyone owns a zaurus in here? |
| 08:40:58 | cdm2 | mostly I suspect. |
| 08:41:03 | cdm2 | although I don't actually own mine. |
| 08:41:52 | Datake | i have a problem with the mailclient |
| 08:41:57 | Datake | if i try to use imap |
| 08:42:04 | Datake | i always get host not found |
| 08:42:15 | cdm2 | dunno - I don't run Linux on mine. |
| 08:42:21 | Datake | and i'm pretty sure the host is fine ;) |
| 08:42:24 | Datake | i even tried IP |
| 08:42:32 | Datake | always host not found |
| 08:42:58 | Datake | ever tried to use imap ? |
| 08:45:17 | cdm2 | like I said, I don't run the OS or software that comes on the Z. |
| 08:45:20 | cdm2 | so I have no idea. |
| 08:45:27 | Datake | ow |
| 08:45:31 | Datake | what do you run then ? |
| 08:45:42 | cdm2 | QNX |
| 08:45:51 | Datake | is it better then qtopia? |
| 08:47:12 | cdm2 | as a PDA environment, not yet. |
| 08:47:18 | cdm2 | http://qnxzone.com/eQip/ |
| 08:47:55 | Datake | can you run it without losing qtopia on the zaurus? |
| 08:48:00 | Datake | or do you need to flash it ? |
| 08:49:10 | DaWorm | whoaaaa |
| 08:49:11 | Datake | it looks nice |
| 08:49:28 | Datake | altough i don't see anything it can do that qtopia can't ;) |
| 08:49:36 | Datake | exept maybe run mozilla |
| 08:49:44 | DaWorm | it looks beautiful |
| 08:49:59 | cdm2 | you have to flash it. |
| 08:50:04 | cdm2 | QNX is an operating system. |
| 08:50:10 | Datake | i know |
| 08:50:13 | cdm2 | you are looking at Photon running on QNX. |
| 08:50:18 | cdm2 | so of course you have to flash it. ;) |
| 08:50:23 | Datake | well |
| 08:50:35 | Datake | you can run linux on the ipaq without losing the CE |
| 08:50:44 | DaWorm | i dunnoo....should I? |
| 08:50:46 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 08:50:47 | Datake | actually you have no choice |
| 08:50:59 | Datake | becaus an ipaq can't be flashed |
| 08:51:08 | Datake | or maybe the new models can, i don't know |
| 08:51:45 | Datake | DaWorm: do you run qnx as well ? |
| 08:52:14 | DaWorm | well no...it looks nice though..but i'm such a wuss when it comes to flashing OS |
| 08:52:17 | cdm2 | Datake: Sure, that is due to the nature of the bootloader CRL wrote. |
| 08:52:33 | cdm2 | DaWorm: You don't have to worry about ruining the unit though with the Z. |
| 08:52:49 | Datake | yeah i'm not much of a flashig hero myself |
| 08:53:04 | Datake | i flashed my Z once to the newest firmware |
| 08:53:12 | Datake | holding my breath ;) |
| 08:53:18 | Datake | (it takes 3 mins :p) |
| 08:53:20 | cdm2 | Datake: yeah, but that is using OSPACK, which can toast the unit. |
| 08:53:31 | cdm2 | when you install QNX it just updates the kernel and flash filesystem area. |
| 08:53:34 | cdm2 | so you can always recover. |
| 08:53:38 | Datake | nah i flashed using a CF card and holding A-D |
| 08:53:41 | DaWorm | well flashing to sharp roms isn't really a problem especially when your doing it on windows |
| 08:53:55 | Datake | it didn't work on windows |
| 08:53:59 | cdm2 | Datake: Yeah, that is what I mean. |
| 08:54:00 | DaWorm | mine does |
| 08:54:04 | Datake | the application crashed |
| 08:54:06 | DaWorm | oh |
| 08:54:27 | Datake | i had to put the rom on CF and flash it with the Z itself |
| 08:54:40 | Datake | which is imho more reliable then using windows ;) |
| 08:54:59 | DaWorm | my first time to flash OZ wasn't really stellar..i had stumbled a lot but it was good experience |
| 08:55:19 | DaWorm | i' |
| 08:55:20 | Datake | DaWorm: do you use the mailclient on the zaurus ? |
| 08:55:26 | DaWorm | nope |
| 08:55:38 | Datake | could you try it for me? :) |
| 08:55:52 | Datake | i'm trying to use the imap feature |
| 08:55:58 | Datake | but i alwayq get host not found error |
| 08:56:07 | DaWorm | it doesnt work for me either |
| 08:56:16 | DaWorm | i've tried that since i got my unit |
| 08:56:46 | Datake | ow |
| 08:57:11 | Datake | so it's a bug then |
| 08:57:51 | DaWorm | probably |
| 08:58:02 | DaWorm | the mail client is ugly imho |
| 08:58:19 | DaWorm | its simple for what its worth |
| 08:59:34 | Datake | are there any other mailclients ported. |
| 08:59:36 | Datake | ? |
| 08:59:39 | Datake | that you know of? |
| 09:00:43 | DaWorm | none that i know but i heard thekompany is about to release one |
| 09:01:05 | DaWorm | you can ask BigBoss when he comes here |
| 09:01:54 | Datake | check this |
| 09:01:55 | Datake | http://korganizer.kde.org/korge.html |
| 09:02:14 | DaWorm | i tried that before |
| 09:02:23 | Datake | does it have kmail ? |
| 09:02:30 | DaWorm | nope |
| 09:02:40 | Datake | damn |
| 09:03:31 | Datake | someone port evolution ;) |
| 09:04:02 | DaWorm | well i'm going home |
| 09:04:03 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:04:10 | DaWorm | its already past 6pm |
| 09:05:13 | Bala | 6pm?? heh... i wish.. its 4am :( |
| 09:05:35 | Datake | wow |
| 09:05:40 | Datake | it(s 12 am here |
| 09:05:42 | Datake | noon :) |
| 09:05:48 | Datake | 6pm |
| 09:05:51 | Datake | where the hell are you :) |
| 09:06:03 | DaWorm | Manila |
| 09:06:15 | Datake | what country is that ? |
| 09:06:27 | DaWorm | Philippines |
| 09:06:33 | Datake | near new zealand? |
| 09:06:50 | DaWorm | hrrmmm...near Singapore |
| 09:06:55 | Datake | ow |
| 09:06:56 | Datake | asia |
| 09:07:11 | Datake | very far from here :) |
| 09:07:34 | DaWorm | where are you? |
| 09:07:39 | Datake | Belgium |
| 09:07:50 | DaWorm | well..wonders of the internet :) |
| 09:07:56 | Datake | yeah rulez :) |
| 09:08:22 | Datake | well cya |
| 09:08:48 | DaWorm | cya...we're always hanging out here anyways, so just call out if someone's awake |
| 09:08:48 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:09:10 | Datake | i'm gona idle a bit here ;) |
| 09:09:19 | Datake | seems like a nice place to meet other zaurus users |
| 09:09:22 | Bala | im gonna sleep :) |
| 09:09:28 | Datake | Bala: why? :) |
| 09:09:32 | Bala | 4am. |
| 09:09:33 | Datake | it's already 4am |
| 09:09:34 | Bala | heh |
| 09:09:39 | Datake | why bother? :) |
| 09:09:54 | Datake | Bala: it's thursday there right ? |
| 09:09:55 | Bala | well being unemployed lets ya sleep in.. i guess thats one benefit :( |
| 09:10:02 | Bala | friday morning |
| 09:10:04 | Datake | ow |
| 09:10:11 | Datake | friday noon here ;) |
| 09:10:19 | Datake | i meant daworm |
| 09:10:27 | Datake | i know in canada it's friday ;) |
| 09:10:35 | Datake | ut he's in asia |
| 09:10:43 | Datake | so i think it's still thursday |
| 09:10:45 | Datake | over there |
| 09:10:52 | Bala | or is it saturday? |
| 09:10:57 | Datake | nah |
| 09:11:03 | Datake | saturday 6pm |
| 09:11:08 | WormHOME | nahhh |
| 09:11:13 | WormHOME | friday 6:24pm |
| 09:11:14 | Bala | i dont know.. and at 4am i dont care much :) |
| 09:11:16 | Datake | ok :) |
| 09:11:22 | Datake | Bala: lol |
| 09:11:37 | Datake | hehe |
| 09:11:39 | Datake | all alone :/ |
| 09:11:42 | WormHOME | its probably almost saturday in new zealand though |
| 09:11:56 | Datake | no idea :p |
| 09:12:01 | Datake | have a nice weekend ;) |
| 09:16:59 | kolla | what's the kernel module for CF memory cards? |
| 09:20:19 | kolla | dead # |
| 10:01:26 | KallDrexx | ln -s creates a symlink right? |
| 10:01:33 | kolla | yes |
| 10:01:40 | KallDrexx | coo ;) |
| 10:01:44 | kolla | anyone at all got ppp working with OZ? |
| 10:06:30 | KallDrexx | how come in file manager only /opt/Qtopia is shown but I know there's a /opt/QtPalmtop? |
| 10:08:55 | kolla | because on of them is just a symlink to the other |
| 10:09:05 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 10:09:49 | kolla | bah .. this sucks |
| 10:33:02 | kolla | where is everybody today? |
| 10:33:18 | kolla | never seen this # so dead quiet |
| 10:33:31 | KallDrexx | dunno |
| 10:35:09 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 10:36:04 | KallDrexx | opie died |
| 10:38:19 | kolla | nothing new :) |
| 10:38:42 | kolla | kergoth` hasnt put together a ppp for OZ yet.. sigh |
| 10:39:22 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 10:39:38 | KallDrexx | i don't have a modem for my zaurus anywya, probably wont' ever get one |
| 10:39:50 | KallDrexx | CRAP |
| 10:40:04 | KallDrexx | does oz have ANY text editors that run form the conosle? |
| 10:40:34 | kolla | vi |
| 10:40:45 | kolla | the busybox vi |
| 10:40:52 | kolla | lag galore |
| 10:41:04 | ljkp | emacs |
| 10:41:06 | KallDrexx | doh been using vim lol |
| 10:41:36 | kolla | ljkp: how can you possibly use emacs with that keyboard? :) |
| 10:41:40 | kolla | vim is cool |
| 10:41:46 | KallDrexx | yeah i need to get it on here |
| 10:42:20 | ljkp | how can anyone possibly use vi at all? ;) |
| 10:42:44 | kolla | I only use vi |
| 10:42:51 | kolla | for mail, news, whatever |
| 10:42:56 | KallDrexx | io nly use vim for programming :) |
| 10:43:19 | kolla | next KDE release will feaure kvim as buildt in editor :) |
| 10:43:25 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 10:43:44 | kolla | so you can use kvim from within the IDE, or konq or whatever |
| 10:43:59 | kolla | power to the people, yey :) |
| 10:44:18 | kolla | any of you got a CF card? |
| 10:44:24 | kolla | memory card that is |
| 10:44:50 | kolla | since last OZ update, my CF card wont mount |
| 10:45:01 | kolla | cklaims /dev/hda1, no such device |
| 10:45:04 | kolla | claims |
| 10:45:09 | KallDrexx | i got a cf card |
| 10:45:23 | kolla | care to mount the card and do a lsmod? |
| 10:45:24 | KallDrexx | works fine with the latest non-testing oz |
| 10:45:41 | kolla | yes, it's just me and my bleeding edge thing here :) |
| 10:45:48 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 10:46:10 | kolla | I get a note that that it cannot load ide-cs module, but I have never seen such a module |
| 10:46:30 | KallDrexx | you have pcmcia-cs installed right? |
| 10:46:39 | kolla | yes yes.. everything is in |
| 10:46:39 | KallDrexx | woohoo opie works again |
| 10:47:11 | KallDrexx | ACK |
| 10:47:14 | KallDrexx | my games tab is gone |
| 10:47:38 | KallDrexx | WTF |
| 10:47:49 | KallDrexx | omg this is bullshit |
| 10:48:11 | KallDrexx | err |
| 10:48:19 | KallDrexx | where's my card >.< |
| 10:48:46 | KallDrexx | err |
| 10:49:02 | KallDrexx | it says my card is mounted |
| 10:49:06 | KallDrexx | but there's nothing on it |
| 10:49:10 | KallDrexx | and it's not listed in system info |
| 10:49:15 | kolla | try df in command line |
| 10:50:09 | KallDrexx | only shows mtdblock4 |
| 10:50:37 | KallDrexx | kicks ipkg |
| 10:50:43 | KallDrexx | that's the last time i ipkg upgrade |
| 10:52:11 | kolla | same problem I have |
| 10:52:11 | KallDrexx | omg |
| 10:52:12 | KallDrexx | i'm soo mad |
| 10:52:21 | kolla | it's all kergoth`s fault :) |
| 10:52:30 | KallDrexx | kergoth` better not come back before i leave for school |
| 10:53:32 | KallDrexx | god damn i was going to watch LOTR while doing some work in school |
| 10:53:35 | KallDrexx | i'm soo pissed |
| 10:53:43 | kolla | heh |
| 10:54:26 | KallDrexx | *goes to reflash |
| 11:01:45 | kalldrexx_ | kills whoever wrote usbdnet |
| 11:06:26 | KallDrexx | waits patiently for kergoth` to show up :) |
| 11:07:05 | kolla | KallDrexx: got you baseball bat ready? :) |
| 11:07:07 | kolla | your |
| 11:07:26 | KallDrexx | has had it ready :) |
| 11:07:31 | KallDrexx | and it's metal too :) |
| 11:09:14 | KallDrexx | oh wel |
| 11:09:17 | KallDrexx | time to reinstall mplayer |
| 11:10:31 | KallDrexx | heh you know what my mom sadi to me the other day, I told her it was awsome that I was watching movies on my zaurus |
| 11:10:43 | KallDrexx | she yelled at me "Matthew, your going to crash your pda" |
| 11:10:55 | ljp | hahaha |
| 11:11:02 | ljp | and then it crashes |
| 11:11:23 | KallDrexx | this is the same women who thought she would get a virus from my computer, via a disk, to her computer |
| 11:11:26 | KallDrexx | even tho i use linux |
| 11:11:29 | KallDrexx | and she uses win98 |
| 11:11:36 | ljp | its possible |
| 11:11:48 | KallDrexx | this is the same women who coudln't figure why her computer wouldn't boot at 12am |
| 11:11:53 | KallDrexx | woke me up |
| 11:12:00 | KallDrexx | I took out the floppy and it worked |
| 11:12:07 | KallDrexx | it's not really that possible |
| 11:12:11 | ljp | hahaha.. mothers... heh |
| 11:12:20 | KallDrexx | not when i'm just transferring 2 documents |
| 11:12:24 | KallDrexx | yeah |
| 11:12:31 | KallDrexx | she yells at me |
| 11:12:38 | KallDrexx | cause with my old ti-83 calculator |
| 11:12:40 | KallDrexx | i downloaded games |
| 11:12:45 | ljp | haha |
| 11:12:48 | KallDrexx | and sicne there's no os or anything |
| 11:12:51 | ljp | moonlander |
| 11:12:54 | KallDrexx | the games crashed and killed it |
| 11:13:09 | KallDrexx | so she's freaking out htat i'm going to do it to my pda |
| 11:13:10 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 11:15:10 | ljp | just explain to her that the pda is programmable and reflashable |
| 11:18:44 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 11:18:53 | tux_mike | why can't florida learn |
| 11:19:06 | Cloudchaser | learn how to vote? |
| 11:19:11 | tux_mike | yah |
| 11:19:16 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 11:19:26 | Cloudchaser | my mom lives it palm beach county |
| 11:19:35 | tux_mike | you hear about their latest snafu? |
| 11:19:46 | KallDrexx | snafu? |
| 11:19:52 | KallDrexx | ljp: i've tried |
| 11:20:00 | Cloudchaser | a little bit.. they have to revote in november |
| 11:20:05 | KallDrexx | I live in florida, and i'm damn ashamed :) |
| 11:20:15 | KallDrexx | then again i can't vote |
| 11:20:19 | kolla | pppd on OZ anyone? |
| 11:20:32 | kolla | dial up from OZ? |
| 11:20:47 | Cloudchaser | is using sharp rom |
| 11:20:50 | tux_mike | they bought a electronic voting system and they cant account it |
| 11:20:54 | Cloudchaser | look on zaurus zone |
| 11:20:56 | kolla | or anyone got a CF memory card working in OZ right now? |
| 11:21:06 | kolla | Cloudchaser: no use |
| 11:21:09 | Cloudchaser | kolla: i belive there's issues |
| 11:21:19 | kolla | I just need a darn working pppd |
| 11:21:33 | ljp | kolla: do a uname -a fo rme.. what kernel version? |
| 11:21:38 | kolla | Cloudchaser: with sharp rom, and CF card.. you have a ide-cs? |
| 11:21:40 | kolla | lsmod |
| 11:21:49 | Cloudchaser | dunno... |
| 11:21:52 | Cloudchaser | it works though |
| 11:22:16 | KallDrexx | WARNING: CFs don't work in the latest ipkg upgrade!! |
| 11:22:26 | KallDrexx | confirmed by 2 people so far |
| 11:22:36 | KallDrexx | anywyas |
| 11:22:39 | KallDrexx | time for a shower |
| 11:22:50 | ljp | what kernel version? |
| 11:22:58 | KallDrexx | uh |
| 11:23:11 | KallDrexx | the latest non-testing |
| 11:23:18 | ljp | do a uname -a |
| 11:23:18 | KallDrexx | but |
| 11:23:25 | KallDrexx | i've used the CF's with this kernle |
| 11:23:29 | KallDrexx | but when i ipkg upgrade |
| 11:23:34 | KallDrexx | it saw when i put the CF in |
| 11:23:39 | KallDrexx | but nothing was in /mnt/cf |
| 11:23:45 | KallDrexx | and the system info didn't have any info for it |
| 11:24:01 | KallDrexx | ljp: too late i reflashed... need to have a movie to watch during school :) |
| 11:24:08 | ljp | k |
| 11:24:18 | Cloudchaser | scary thought, that |
| 11:24:20 | KallDrexx | other wise school will be just too boring :) |
| 11:24:26 | ljp | heh "UnitedLinux to cost $1000 per server" |
| 11:24:33 | Cloudchaser | maybe...you could learn somethhing? |
| 11:24:46 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: hah maybe if the teacher would teach something =P |
| 11:25:01 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: plus today i don't have 2 of my core classes (i'm taking 2 college classes which don't meet today) |
| 11:25:03 | Cloudchaser | she just stands there? |
| 11:25:06 | KallDrexx | so today's pretty much a slack day |
| 11:25:09 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: basically |
| 11:25:19 | Cloudchaser | shakes head |
| 11:25:21 | KallDrexx | I sleep through school and get a's and b's |
| 11:25:23 | tux_mike | ljp: that is nuts |
| 11:25:34 | KallDrexx | anywyas |
| 11:25:48 | kall-shower | Cloudchaser: you know how i'm online around 11:30? |
| 11:25:51 | ljp | hehehe "ljpUnitedLinux to cost $500 per sevrer" |
| 11:26:01 | kall-shower | that's cause we don't have a teacher who can teach us in AP computer science |
| 11:26:03 | kall-shower | so it's a study hall |
| 11:26:10 | kall-shower | an AP class |
| 11:26:13 | kall-shower | a study hall |
| 11:26:14 | kall-shower | heh :) |
| 11:26:18 | kall-shower | is afk |
| 11:26:26 | ljp | how can you be in the shower and irc at the same time? |
| 11:26:31 | tux_mike | ha! i'll do you one up! "mikeUnitedLinux to cost $459 per server" |
| 11:26:39 | Cloudchaser | he water proofed his z? |
| 11:26:39 | kall-shower | ljp: very carefully :) |
| 11:26:45 | kall-shower | hehe |
| 11:26:52 | ljp | ok, fine be that way "ljpUnitedLinux to cost $450 per sevrer" |
| 11:27:10 | tux_mike | oh, so you wanna play hardball, eh? |
| 11:27:22 | tux_mike | "mikeUnitedLinux to cost $59 per server" |
| 11:27:29 | tux_mike | :) |
| 11:27:39 | ljp | ooooooohhhhh.. well no one would buy a server for THAT price! |
| 11:27:49 | tux_mike | i would |
| 11:28:08 | ljp | if its inexpensive.. its gotta be cheap |
| 11:28:14 | ljp | :D |
| 11:28:15 | tux_mike | i dont pay for my server's current OS |
| 11:29:02 | ljp | for $1000 per server, they better come out and install it and set it up too |
| 11:29:21 | tux_mike | and have a hot chick come with it :) |
| 11:29:38 | ljp | well, ljpUnitedLinux comes already on a hard drive |
| 11:29:49 | ljp | no need to install |
| 11:30:30 | tux_mike | bah. what if i don't want package xyz installed |
| 11:30:51 | ljp | ummm. then dont use it? |
| 11:31:09 | ljp | :D |
| 11:31:28 | tux_mike | why waste the space. hard drive space is at a premium these days :) |
| 11:32:01 | ljp | hehe ya.. these 40 mb hard drives are hard to find now |
| 11:32:47 | tux_mike | hey, it's difficult to install linux to a 7.5M DASD, ok? :) |
| 11:33:07 | ljp | for that I use tomsrtbt |
| 11:35:50 | tux_mike | *shudder* why do people put MAYO on their FRENCH FRIES!!! *barf* |
| 11:36:55 | KallDrexx | lol tux_mike |
| 11:37:00 | KallDrexx | mayo goes witheverything ;) |
| 11:37:00 | numatrix | Are wireless cards handled the same way in OZ as in Sharp? When I ifconfig, I don't see any interfaces besides LO, though my link light shows solid, and iwconfig shows a conneection... |
| 11:37:04 | tux_mike | i hate mayo |
| 11:37:06 | KallDrexx | hey numatrix |
| 11:37:10 | tux_mike | mayo is nasty |
| 11:37:11 | KallDrexx | heh i just don't eat it on ff |
| 11:37:15 | KallDrexx | bah |
| 11:37:24 | numatrix | I had it working last night with my ap at home, but something's not working at work now. |
| 11:37:25 | KallDrexx | mayo ownz the wordl :) |
| 11:37:27 | numatrix | Morning KallDrexx. |
| 11:37:34 | numatrix | KallDrexx: yuck; mayo is gross. |
| 11:37:39 | tux_mike | numatrix: i think they use different APIs |
| 11:37:45 | KallDrexx | which reminds me |
| 11:37:49 | tux_mike | Kergoth put the better of the two in OZ :) |
| 11:37:51 | KallDrexx | i'm hungry :) |
| 11:38:09 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 11:38:13 | numatrix | tux_mike: But should ifconfig show me the ip address of my wireless lan? |
| 11:38:13 | KallDrexx | what's wrong with you people :) |
| 11:38:15 | kolla | ljp: the kernel is the same still |
| 11:38:23 | KallDrexx | mayo is great on hamburgers |
| 11:38:30 | kolla | I bet it's the pcmcia-cs package that broke somehow |
| 11:38:37 | kolla | it tries to load a certain ide-cs |
| 11:38:38 | | well, qmame is at http://www.climov.com/zaurus/qmame/ |
| 11:38:38 | KallDrexx | ibot qmame |
| 11:38:50 | kolla | I cant remember ever having seen such a module |
| 11:38:57 | tux_mike | i can't stand mayo |
| 11:39:09 | KallDrexx | and to each their own :) |
| 11:39:36 | | zmame is at http://zmame.mameworld.net/ |
| 11:39:36 | KallDrexx | ibot zmame |
| 11:39:48 | | tux_mike: what? |
| 11:39:48 | tux_mike | ibot moogly woogly |
| 11:39:54 | tux_mike | exactly |
| 11:40:28 | tux_mike | hrm... the greeks put oregano on their fries... that could be, erhm, interesting |
| 11:42:13 | tux_mike | and YAY! my compiler compiled the new compiler! :) |
| 11:45:22 | | X is a generic standard. Maybe you mean Xfree86. |
| 11:45:22 | KallDrexx | ibot X |
| 11:45:36 | tux_mike | iboot Y |
| 11:45:36 | | Xfree86 is at http://www.xfree86.org |
| 11:45:36 | KallDrexx | ibot Xfree86 |
| 11:45:40 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 11:45:40 | | y is 2 |
| 11:45:40 | tux_mike | ibot y |
| 11:45:48 | KallDrexx | where's X embedded for the Z? |
| 11:45:58 | tux_mike | dunno |
| 11:47:13 | tux_mike | shit. i can't load the new compiler, because the new stdlibc++ wil bork everything, and i cant have that happen to my only good system |
| 11:50:57 | ljp | go ahead... take a chance... |
| 11:51:12 | ljp | libc++ isnt _that_ important :) |
| 11:51:13 | tux_mike | there is no chance. it will fuck it all up :) |
| 11:51:23 | ||ugh | New compiler, gcc-3.2 perhaps? |
| 11:51:41 | tux_mike | yah |
| 11:52:17 | ||ugh | Yea. Someone should run the test suite and report the results to the gcc team as the web page has zero reports of success on ARM. |
| 12:03:00 | kolla | so noone got a CF card working in their zaurus right now? |
| 12:06:19 | Cloudchaser | i do |
| 12:08:36 | kolla | care to open a terminal and do a "lsmod" |
| 12:08:38 | kolla | ? |
| 12:09:01 | kolla | need to find out what kernel modules is used for doing ATA on the CF |
| 12:09:07 | kolla | module |
| 12:11:00 | ||ugh | localhost $ lsmod |
| 12:11:00 | ||ugh | Module Size Used by |
| 12:11:00 | ||ugh | sa1100_bi 44112 0 (unused) |
| 12:11:00 | ||ugh | net_fd 35888 0 [sa1100_bi] |
| 12:11:00 | ||ugh | usbdcore 21504 0 [sa1100_bi net_fd] |
| 12:11:01 | ||ugh | prism2_cs 60496 1 |
| 12:11:02 | ||ugh | p80211 11376 1 [prism2_cs] |
| 12:11:04 | ||ugh | usbdmonitor 5808 0 |
| 12:11:06 | ||ugh | sharp_mmcsd_m 26576 2 |
| 12:11:08 | ||ugh | devinfo 3072 0 (unused) |
| 12:11:18 | ||ugh | My CF card is a NetGear 802.11b |
| 12:11:42 | ||ugh | Oh, you want a CF card as memory? |
| 12:12:06 | rikkus | will look just as soon as he can ssh to his z... |
| 12:12:42 | ||ugh | It should be cs_ide or some variant. |
| 12:13:33 | rikkus | I have sa1100_ir, irda, sa1100_bi, net_fd, usbdcore, usbdmonitor, sharp_mmcsd_m |
| 12:13:44 | rikkus | using OZ kernel |
| 12:14:22 | numatrix | Wierd; I have to remove and readd my LAN conneection from my network settings every time I reassociate with my AP. That's obnoxious... |
| 12:15:46 | tux_mike | ugh: i don't see why you would want to load cs_ide if you are using a Wifi card... |
| 12:17:07 | rikkus | Sep 13 14:23:06 without /etc/hotplug/usb.agent[27993]: ... no modules for USB product 4dd/8004/0 |
| 12:17:09 | rikkus | grr |
| 12:17:13 | rikkus | burns SuSE Linux 8.0 |
| 12:18:21 | kolla | ||ugh: no, as "disk" |
| 12:18:37 | kolla | it seems like there's no need for extra module to mount a CF card |
| 12:18:41 | kolla | grr |
| 12:18:54 | kolla | why do I then get /dev/hda1 no ushc device when I try to mount it |
| 12:24:05 | ||ugh | kolla, on my laptop to use a CF card as an ATA disk I need to load cs_ide (or minor variants). I don't know the Z well enough to know whats in kernel or not yet. |
| 12:24:34 | kolla | ||ugh: the pcmcia start script complain about not finding ide-cs yes |
| 12:24:49 | kolla | but I think it isnt needed |
| 12:25:11 | kolla | I'll try to just comment out the modprobe line from the script and see how that works |
| 12:26:24 | kolla | /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 12:36:25 | numatrix | What packages do I need updated to fix the time bug in OZ? |
| 12:36:43 | kolla | what time bug? |
| 12:36:50 | numatrix | times don't survive a reboot |
| 12:37:02 | numatrix | resets back to jan 1, 2002. |
| 12:37:16 | kolla | oh, no idea |
| 12:37:30 | kolla | cant grasp why the darn hardware clock cannot simply work |
| 12:38:52 | tux_mike | works for me |
| 12:39:10 | numatrix | I remember hearing about it a while ago, I thought it was fixed. |
| 12:39:32 | tux_mike | you must be running atd for that bug |
| 12:39:41 | kolla | if it works, why would it ever be reset? |
| 12:40:04 | numatrix | yeah, opieatd is running |
| 12:47:55 | djk | JasonNJ: is snipper in the office or away? |
| 12:48:17 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 12:50:42 | numatrix | Anyone have opera working in OZ? |
| 12:53:05 | djk | numatrix: you having a problem with opera on OZ? You should be able to take the image out the Sharp ROM and install from what others have indicated |
| 12:53:26 | numatrix | djk: yeah, I tested an ipkg creator ben made a while back, but opera segfaulted still. |
| 12:53:38 | djk | of course the kde browser is better |
| 12:53:43 | numatrix | I didn't know if there was an updated ipkg creator, or what. |
| 12:53:47 | numatrix | djk: But doesn't do ssl... :-( |
| 12:54:01 | djk | the kde one? |
| 12:55:25 | numatrix | I don't think so, does it? |
| 12:56:41 | djk | I never noticed now I will have to try it |
| 13:01:25 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: yes [Tue Sep 10 00:25:36 2002] |
| 13:01:25 | diclophis | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 13:02:05 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 06:49:02) |
| 13:02:14 | kolla | saying yes, huh? :) |
| 13:03:08 | W|GGL|T | "yes" |
| 13:03:26 | W|GGL|T | "will you marry me?" |
| 13:03:28 | W|GGL|T | "yes" |
| 13:03:42 | darienm | Someone asked if there was a chance that Challenge Zauruses were actually never going to be sent... that was the reply |
| 13:03:43 | darienm | ;) |
| 13:06:36 | | Microdim: huh? |
| 13:06:36 | Microdim | ibot : 2.37 rom |
| 13:06:47 | | rom is Read Only Memory |
| 13:06:47 | Microdim | ibot: rom |
| 13:07:08 | Lone | The only option for Encryption mode in iwconfig is open, correct? The default being restricticed, I think. |
| 13:07:11 | numatrix | What's openobex? And do I need it installed? |
| 13:20:19 | Lone | Hmm. Anyone know how to set Shared Key as a wireless parameter with Open Zaurus? |
| 13:22:37 | chouimat|coffee | must be friday because I'm bored |
| 13:23:01 | diclophis | yea... |
| 13:24:33 | KallDrexx | Onyx4 You here? |
| 13:24:40 | chouimat|coffee | hi KallDrexx |
| 13:24:42 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 13:25:18 | KallDrexx | damn onyx ins't here |
| 13:25:38 | KallDrexx | gotta go |
| 13:28:32 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 13:28:45 | kolla | grr |
| 13:28:56 | kolla | the bluetooth stuff segfaults on OZ |
| 13:31:19 | numatrix | Yuck. Anyone running OZ and the hancomm suite? Word keeps crashing when I got to font properties... |
| 13:32:04 | darienm | numatrix: what appearance setting are you using? |
| 13:32:33 | numatrix | darienm: Windows with helvetica 8 |
| 13:32:47 | darienm | numatrix: no clue then. |
| 13:33:15 | numatrix | when I run it on the command line, I get: "Bus Error" at the point where it crashes. |
| 13:44:27 | chouimat|coffee | Boring |
| 13:48:55 | kolla | ponders on going back to sharp rom |
| 13:49:09 | kolla | too much "not working yet" in OZ |
| 13:49:20 | ljp_work | it used to be working |
| 13:49:38 | kolla | no dial up |
| 13:49:45 | ljp_work | opie moved to qt-e 2.3.4 |
| 13:50:30 | kolla | it's not the opie stuff I worry about |
| 13:50:38 | ljp_work | which may account for hancom maybe |
| 13:51:06 | kolla | I havent been able to use dial up since I installed oz |
| 13:51:12 | kolla | there is no pppd |
| 13:51:28 | kolla | hm.. or maybe I should simply downgrade oz |
| 13:51:31 | numatrix | ljp_work: Have you tried it? |
| 13:51:47 | ljp_work | not yet |
| 13:51:50 | extremis | damn |
| 13:52:06 | extremis | when? |
| 13:52:07 | ljp_work | havent had time |
| 13:52:08 | kolla | geh.. right now it would be nice to be able to drop back to pocketpc or something :) |
| 13:55:16 | VerxHome | anyone know if you can run the zImage-32 OZ kernel on the sharp rom? |
| 13:55:48 | ljp_work | why? |
| 13:56:02 | VerxHome | I didn't know if it would work or not |
| 13:56:11 | VerxHome | was curious if that type of thing would work on sharp rom |
| 13:56:29 | JasonNJ | we've had alternate kernels before |
| 13:56:38 | JasonNJ | the guy who did the socket drivers did some |
| 14:12:23 | darienm | .. |
| 14:17:13 | numatrix | man, jffs2_gcd_mtd4 is using a ton of my processor... is that unusual? |
| 14:17:54 | numatrix | system seems slower, too; lots of strange slowdowns. |
| 14:24:26 | guised | hi |
| 14:24:35 | ljp_work | hello |
| 14:25:40 | guised | does sharp intend to release another zaurus anytime soon |
| 14:26:04 | ljp_work | there's one on the way tentaviely called the 5600 |
| 14:26:12 | guised | whats it got? |
| 14:26:53 | ljp_work | a modem |
| 14:27:11 | guised | thought they would have gone with a wan |
| 14:27:34 | guised | have you tried running Xfree86 on your z |
| 14:27:36 | guised | ? |
| 14:27:40 | ljp_work | modem is more universal |
| 14:27:45 | guised | true |
| 14:28:27 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 14:29:27 | guised | sup |
| 14:30:07 | KallDrexx | not much |
| 14:30:10 | KallDrexx | bored durig class |
| 14:30:15 | ljp_work | clouds are up |
| 14:30:16 | KallDrexx | so i'm watching LOTR on my zaurus :) |
| 14:30:25 | guised | niiicce |
| 14:30:30 | KallDrexx | yeah :) |
| 14:30:50 | guised | i had a 9:30 this morning |
| 14:31:01 | guised | forgot my z |
| 14:31:05 | guised | so i got no notes for it |
| 14:31:05 | guised | heh |
| 14:31:13 | guised | it being the class |
| 14:31:14 | ljp_work | ever heard of paper? |
| 14:31:17 | ljp_work | heh |
| 14:31:18 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 14:31:27 | guised | paper? |
| 14:31:29 | guised | whats that |
| 14:31:29 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 14:32:03 | guised | it was just a psych resitation anyways |
| 14:32:13 | guised | fucking stupid shit |
| 14:32:33 | guised | has anyone tried running anything other than oz and the sharp rom on their Z |
| 14:32:46 | XavierXeon | crows rom |
| 14:33:14 | guised | whats that like? |
| 14:33:30 | W|GGL|T | debian runs OZ? |
| 14:33:48 | XavierXeon | like the sharp rom, only that is uses the sd for /home and has 64MB ram |
| 14:34:00 | guised | ah |
| 14:34:04 | ljp_work | I tried pizza on mine, but the screen gott all greesy |
| 14:34:20 | guised | heh |
| 14:34:40 | JasonNJ | guised: like what? |
| 14:35:01 | JasonNJ | the crow rom is pretty neat |
| 14:35:11 | guised | pocket linux and such |
| 14:35:26 | guised | i'm really just not satisfied with hancomword |
| 14:35:51 | XavierXeon | other roms dont give you better word processors |
| 14:35:52 | guised | thats truly my only problem with oz/sharp |
| 14:36:01 | guised | i know |
| 14:36:20 | guised | i was just thinking that if i used something else that i could find a better wp |
| 14:36:43 | guised | pretty stupid idea, right? |
| 14:36:44 | XavierXeon | started porting kbackgammon. ETA unknown |
| 14:37:33 | W|GGL|T | using something other than the Zaurus to word-process is an idea :o) |
| 14:37:46 | agupta | hmm |
| 14:37:49 | agupta | what's up? |
| 14:37:50 | XavierXeon | yeah like paper ;-) |
| 14:38:11 | ljp_work | clouds are up |
| 14:38:22 | guised | paper? |
| 14:38:27 | guised | heh |
| 14:38:44 | agupta | hmm |
| 14:38:46 | agupta | who's tim riker? |
| 14:39:00 | darienm | BZFlag |
| 14:39:00 | XavierXeon | dead trees were used by people in a time far away to do word processing ! |
| 14:39:06 | agupta | ah ok |
| 14:39:14 | agupta | he added hancom word stuff to the oz buildroot |
| 14:39:16 | agupta | :D |
| 14:39:24 | KallDrexx | what is hancom? |
| 14:39:25 | darienm | huh ? |
| 14:39:30 | darienm | is that legal now? |
| 14:39:33 | agupta | hancom word.. |
| 14:39:45 | agupta | darienm no, but you can compile it yourself |
| 14:39:49 | agupta | you just can't distribute |
| 14:40:14 | guised | but everyone who has a zaurus gets it for free |
| 14:40:18 | darienm | right |
| 14:40:23 | agupta | hmm |
| 14:40:25 | agupta | yea |
| 14:40:26 | darienm | so.. what was added, actually? |
| 14:40:30 | agupta | this .mk just downloads the OZ pack |
| 14:40:37 | agupta | and it creates hancom ipks |
| 14:40:51 | darienm | creates them... from where? |
| 14:40:52 | agupta | OZpack rom image from sharp |
| 14:40:57 | treke | huh? hancom is part of oz? That seems rather illegal |
| 14:41:03 | agupta | noo.. |
| 14:41:04 | agupta | grr |
| 14:41:12 | agupta | the romimage rom sharp has em |
| 14:41:19 | numatrix | agupta: Have you installed it? |
| 14:41:19 | agupta | just shuts up |
| 14:41:19 | darienm | so.. it extracts hancom from the Sharp ROM, so you can install it onto OZ ? |
| 14:41:23 | JasonNJ | it extracts the softare from your sharp rom image |
| 14:41:29 | treke | ah |
| 14:41:29 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 14:41:31 | agupta | darienm yes |
| 14:41:34 | numatrix | Just like ben's scripts, except it will work from a ROM. |
| 14:41:58 | agupta | btw |
| 14:42:00 | agupta | i'm TheMasterMind1 |
| 14:42:00 | treke | how do you prevent someone from just downloading a rom from sharp and using it? |
| 14:42:02 | darienm | K, cuz I've used HancomCreator packages to migrate office from Sharp to OZ ROM's, and it was painless. |
| 14:42:12 | numatrix | agupta: Can you try something for me? Run hancomword and click Format - Format and see what happens. |
| 14:42:19 | numatrix | ahh; welcomee, TMM. :-) |
| 14:42:20 | chayim | hey everybody! |
| 14:42:20 | darienm | Format-Font |
| 14:42:28 | agupta | treke how would you prevent them otherwise.. they could get the rom iamge and put it on the z, make ipks and then use it with oz |
| 14:42:33 | darienm | catalin !!! |
| 14:42:39 | agupta | numatrix i'll try it when i get home |
| 14:42:53 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 14:42:56 | treke | agupta: But someone without a Zaurus can get access to the roms, last I checked |
| 14:42:58 | numatrix | agupta: Thanks; I just tried installing the ipks I made from my sharp rom, and word crashes when I click that menu. |
| 14:43:01 | JasonNJ | agupta: since hamcom is licensed for use with each zaurus, its not a big deal |
| 14:43:09 | JasonNJ | you already own the license to reinstall it on your unit. |
| 14:43:24 | JasonNJ | Now, extracting it and running it on an Ipaq, thats a different story. |
| 14:43:32 | Lone | JasonNJ: The same would be true for Opera, correct? |
| 14:43:36 | treke | bleh, I'm not quite awake yet |
| 14:43:40 | JasonNJ | yes same is true for opera |
| 14:43:46 | chayim | is there anything wrong with opie-taskbar from the sourceforge feed? It isn't updating. |
| 14:43:51 | Lone | Cool. |
| 14:43:56 | numatrix | Lone: the problem with opera is technical... there's something that doesn't like the be transported to OZ. |
| 14:44:00 | chayim | ipkg update; ipkg upgrade is what I'm doing. |
| 14:44:10 | XavierXeon | numatrix: i am using the hancom ipks on crows rom. they work fine |
| 14:44:10 | numatrix | Lone: nobody's figured out exactly what it will take to fix it. |
| 14:44:26 | numatrix | XavierXeon: can you try that menu option I mentioned to agupta? |
| 14:44:40 | imm | hi |
| 14:44:43 | numatrix | XavierXeon: Format / Format. That menu and that one only kills word, while everything else words. |
| 14:44:43 | agupta | JasonNJ yea.. |
| 14:44:44 | XavierXeon | numatrix: just did that. no problems |
| 14:44:45 | numatrix | Howdy imm. |
| 14:44:45 | agupta | that would be bad |
| 14:44:51 | imm | numatrix: moin |
| 14:44:53 | agupta | but its not like you can't do it.. |
| 14:45:15 | JasonNJ | actually I've successfully installed the new version of opera but I cant give it out. |
| 14:45:20 | agupta | heh |
| 14:45:23 | agupta | new version? |
| 14:45:26 | agupta | from the sharp rom |
| 14:45:28 | agupta | '? |
| 14:45:29 | JasonNJ | yep. |
| 14:45:40 | JasonNJ | its not on a sharp rom yet. |
| 14:45:44 | W|GGL|T | we'll eventually see it though, right? |
| 14:45:47 | XavierXeon | opera 6 ? |
| 14:45:49 | numatrix | JasonNJ: Sweet; what new features does it have? |
| 14:45:49 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 14:45:52 | JasonNJ | flash |
| 14:45:54 | JasonNJ | java |
| 14:46:02 | numatrix | flash? Holy crap. Marknovak will be so happy. |
| 14:46:07 | agupta | is hancom-sheel everything? |
| 14:46:07 | imm | :) |
| 14:46:14 | | MarkNovak was last seen on #zaurus 21 days, 18 hours, 21 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: im posting the screenshots of all you guys who ive logged trying to get into my machine [Thu Aug 22 21:25:03 2002] |
| 14:46:14 | imm | ibot seen MarkNovak |
| 14:46:23 | imm | :) |
| 14:46:27 | agupta | JasonNJ wit.. so where did you get he new opera from? |
| 14:46:36 | JasonNJ | from opera. |
| 14:46:40 | agupta | does hancomsheet include all the hancom stuff? |
| 14:46:40 | guised | lol |
| 14:46:49 | darienm | imm, he doesn't come here anymore :) |
| 14:46:56 | Lone | I'm gonna cry. |
| 14:46:57 | XavierXeon | agupta: no |
| 14:47:01 | agupta | oh |
| 14:47:05 | Lone | When will we see the new Opera? |
| 14:47:14 | JasonNJ | we havent decided yet whether to put it in a ROM update or in a future product yet. |
| 14:47:21 | Cloudchaser | aww |
| 14:47:22 | JasonNJ | there are licensing issues |
| 14:47:25 | darienm | Opera phooey, when will we see an improved (or extensible) Documents tab. |
| 14:47:25 | imm | darienm: sad but true |
| 14:47:32 | darienm | why sad? |
| 14:47:34 | Cloudchaser | so we have to buy new hardware to get new stuff? |
| 14:47:37 | treke | imm: mainly because he got banned |
| 14:47:37 | imm | MarkNovak: we miss you ! |
| 14:47:40 | Lone | I'd shell out $30 for it with Flash. |
| 14:47:43 | agupta | i guess i was wrong then.. |
| 14:47:44 | JasonNJ | Cloud: not sure yet. |
| 14:47:50 | darienm | imm is playing with us. |
| 14:47:54 | agupta | JasonNJ "we" ? |
| 14:47:58 | JasonNJ | I'm pushing to put it in an update. |
| 14:48:06 | Lone | That would be cool, too. |
| 14:48:08 | JasonNJ | But its already too big to put in the ROM. |
| 14:48:17 | JasonNJ | so it would have to be distributed as an addon. |
| 14:48:23 | agupta | this thing only includes hancom sheet |
| 14:48:26 | imm | maybe Georg could bring him back |
| 14:48:29 | darienm | Remove applications from the OSPack - let users download and install them separately. |
| 14:48:37 | darienm | The OSPack should JUST BE THE OS ! |
| 14:48:46 | JasonNJ | yeah, I am actually pusing to have the games removed |
| 14:48:55 | Lone | Just snake. |
| 14:49:02 | darienm | Bundle a 128 MB SD card with the Zaurus. |
| 14:49:10 | guised | now thats an idea |
| 14:49:12 | guised | :-D |
| 14:49:12 | darienm | pre-loaded.... |
| 14:49:15 | XavierXeon | but not a sandisk |
| 14:49:24 | guised | had problems? |
| 14:49:26 | Lone | A few people who've used my Z were actually taken back by the fact that that it sucked so bad. |
| 14:49:29 | JasonNJ | yeahm the sandisks have been very problematic |
| 14:49:35 | agupta | Lone heh |
| 14:49:38 | XavierXeon | yep |
| 14:49:39 | agupta | JasonNJ do you work for sharp? |
| 14:49:40 | JasonNJ | they use a slower type of memory |
| 14:49:45 | guised | really? |
| 14:49:46 | guised | damn |
| 14:49:50 | guised | mine works fine |
| 14:49:58 | JasonNJ | agupta: when I'm not screwing off on IRC, yes. |
| 14:50:00 | darienm | Two of mine work fine, also. |
| 14:50:13 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ: the thing is, software that can run on the 5500, updates and the like...we shoulnd't have to buy new hardware for |
| 14:50:25 | numatrix | Lone: 'sucked so bad'? The Z? |
| 14:50:26 | XavierXeon | i am absolutly unable to format my 128 MB sandisk sd to ext2 |
| 14:50:35 | agupta | i see |
| 14:50:35 | Lone | numatrix: The Snake game. |
| 14:50:38 | agupta | wants a new opera.. |
| 14:50:39 | numatrix | Lone: ahh. |
| 14:50:42 | JasonNJ | Cloud.. I agree, the problem is the avalaible ROM space. |
| 14:50:57 | ljp_work | should have been 32 rom |
| 14:51:17 | numatrix | ljp_work: which would be why they're debating waiting on it until the next product, I imagine. ;-) |
| 14:51:32 | agupta | is there a new zaurus in the works |
| 14:51:32 | agupta | ? |
| 14:51:38 | numatrix | thinks we found another possible spec of the so-called Sl-5600. ;-) |
| 14:51:41 | JasonNJ | the korean 5500 will get opera 6 |
| 14:51:47 | | sl-5600 is the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. or the next US model to be released |
| 14:51:47 | numatrix | ibot: sl-5600 |
| 14:51:48 | agupta | :\ |
| 14:51:48 | JasonNJ | but their software stack is totally different |
| 14:51:54 | XavierXeon | would buy a new Z if it has a keyboard and to memory slots |
| 14:51:59 | agupta | hmm |
| 14:52:00 | Cloudchaser | so why won't we get it ? |
| 14:52:02 | agupta | xscale.. |
| 14:52:03 | agupta | yuck |
| 14:52:12 | Cloudchaser | why is it different? |
| 14:52:24 | JasonNJ | cloud: its got different software on it. |
| 14:52:28 | Lone | agupta: Isn't Xscale at least as good as an SA110? |
| 14:52:33 | JasonNJ | to fit the korean market |
| 14:52:43 | agupta | i've heard a lot of bad stuff about the xscale |
| 14:52:46 | | rumour has it a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale or a pxa210 |
| 14:52:46 | agupta | ibot a300 |
| 14:52:52 | guised | i haven't tried running any mpeg4 stuff on mine; how smooth is it? |
| 14:53:12 | Cloudchaser | does the korean model have the docs tab like the a300? |
| 14:53:16 | | xscale is a buggy processor, see the errata at http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/278534.htm |
| 14:53:16 | W|GGL|T | ibot xscale |
| 14:53:29 | JasonNJ | cloud: I havent seen the software stack for the korean one yet. |
| 14:53:36 | JasonNJ | its being developed in korea |
| 14:54:00 | Lone | agupta: Ah, okay. |
| 14:54:24 | Cloudchaser | i see |
| 14:54:34 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: good morning |
| 14:55:31 | JasonNJ | one of the reasons we have been waiting on xscale is that we dont want to run a buggy revision of the process |
| 14:55:34 | JasonNJ | processor |
| 14:55:46 | JasonNJ | when we do release one, it will probably be a version A or B processor |
| 14:55:53 | ljp_work | its already buggy |
| 14:56:05 | chayim | JasonNJ : how long until an actual xscale release (1 year, 2 years)? |
| 14:56:05 | JasonNJ | well, less buggy anyways. |
| 14:56:11 | chayim | ljp_work : I'll second that. |
| 14:56:22 | BigBoss | maybe a month |
| 14:56:24 | JasonNJ | chayim: oh, shorter than that. |
| 14:56:29 | JasonNJ | smacks bigboss |
| 14:56:51 | BigBoss | :) |
| 14:56:59 | BigBoss | I've got 20 of them in my garage :) |
| 14:57:17 | guised | so does anyone else use the zaurus to take notes |
| 14:57:19 | guised | in class |
| 14:57:24 | guised | lol |
| 14:57:25 | chayim | JasonNJ : shorter than 1 year? |
| 14:57:26 | XavierXeon | nice. how do they taste ? |
| 14:57:28 | W|GGL|T | writing is faster |
| 14:57:33 | W|GGL|T | with PAPER! |
| 14:57:51 | XavierXeon | i dont have classes anymore |
| 14:57:53 | treke | W|GGL|T: two flaws wit that statement |
| 14:58:03 | treke | W|GGL|T: 1) You have to be able to read your own writing |
| 14:58:08 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 14:58:22 | guised | and the second? |
| 14:58:24 | treke | W|GGL|T: 2) You have to be able to go without losing that sheet of paper long enough to read it |
| 14:58:33 | guised | problem two really killed me |
| 14:58:44 | W|GGL|T | what you gonna do? henpeck the keyboard?....you'd get soooo far behind in notetaking |
| 14:58:45 | ljp_work | pretty sad if you cant read your own hadwritting |
| 14:58:53 | treke | ljp_work: that it is |
| 14:59:05 | guised | its losing the paper thats my paper |
| 14:59:06 | guised | err |
| 14:59:07 | guised | problem |
| 14:59:08 | W|GGL|T | hwr isn't much better |
| 14:59:10 | ljp_work | try taking a penmanship class |
| 14:59:22 | W|GGL|T | or get a spiral notebook :o) |
| 14:59:31 | chayim | with echo_tx or others? |
| 14:59:37 | XavierXeon | or employ a secratary |
| 14:59:43 | JasonNJ | chayim: significantly shorter than a year, yes. |
| 14:59:57 | chayim | JasonNJ : makes me want to get rid of my sl-5000 now. =) |
| 15:00:03 | W|GGL|T | thinks XavierXeon's been watching that Dangerfield movie |
| 15:00:05 | W|GGL|T | heheh |
| 15:00:13 | treke | hehe |
| 15:00:27 | W|GGL|T | Back to School |
| 15:00:29 | XavierXeon | doesnt know any dangerfield movies |
| 15:01:08 | guised | dont you think that the zaurus would be more popular if sharp made it into two flavors |
| 15:01:25 | XavierXeon | strawberry and cherry ? |
| 15:01:29 | guised | lol |
| 15:01:33 | W|GGL|T | millionaire goes back to school and directs his work staff to do his research papers and homework |
| 15:01:33 | treke | they'd probably just sell half as many of each :) |
| 15:01:40 | guised | one with wince and the other as is |
| 15:02:13 | W|GGL|T | why buy a wince powered Z when there are tons of other wince devices already? |
| 15:02:20 | guised | the keyboard |
| 15:02:28 | whardier | bah |
| 15:02:29 | guised | the cf and sd slots |
| 15:02:35 | W|GGL|T | the keyboard isn't all THAT great, imo |
| 15:02:41 | treke | the cf and sd slots arent that rare |
| 15:02:46 | whardier | its pretty damn spiffy |
| 15:02:52 | XavierXeon | there is nice foldable keyboard for the ipaq wich acts as a screen cover when nt used |
| 15:02:56 | treke | most wince devices seem to have sd, and quite a few have cf |
| 15:03:15 | W|GGL|T | toshiba has both |
| 15:03:24 | guised | yeah, but its also mad expensive |
| 15:03:38 | treke | the Audiovox has both I think, and is about the same price as the zaurus |
| 15:03:56 | guised | its all about the brand name |
| 15:04:02 | XavierXeon | i would only buy a wince device if you can make linux run on it |
| 15:04:03 | Lone | I don't know if I'd ever buy an Audovox PDA... If their quality is the same as their phones... |
| 15:04:03 | guised | audiovox v. sharp.... |
| 15:04:08 | W|GGL|T | the toshiba is the same price as i bought my Z for |
| 15:04:22 | treke | Lone: unless I'm mistaken the audiovox is a rebadged version of a toshiba unit |
| 15:04:23 | guised | really? |
| 15:04:31 | W|GGL|T | the only reason the Z is cheaper now is because everyone is dumping the Z |
| 15:04:44 | guised | the audiovox is a toshiba e570 |
| 15:05:05 | guised | why would people dump the Z... i just dont understand |
| 15:05:06 | whardier | I am liking that the Z is cheaper nowadays :) |
| 15:05:09 | whardier | likeing |
| 15:05:18 | Lone | treke: Wow. I am surprised. |
| 15:05:21 | treke | guised: because the Z isnt selling |
| 15:05:25 | whardier | I might buy a few dozen now.. esp with a CF -> PCMCIA thinger |
| 15:05:28 | W|GGL|T | i would too, only i already own one and bought mine at $499 |
| 15:05:31 | W|GGL|T | :o( |
| 15:05:37 | W|GGL|T | makes me feel like shit |
| 15:06:00 | treke | Lone: yeah, if It ran Linux I'd be all over them :) |
| 15:06:12 | XavierXeon | i paid 699 EUR for mine :( |
| 15:06:15 | guised | treke: i dont understand why though... is it the neg reviews or is the linux a turn off |
| 15:06:34 | Lone | $333 on Amazon for a new Z. |
| 15:06:52 | whardier | buy two for $666 |
| 15:07:11 | Lone | guised: I saw a woman in CompUSA the other day who liked the KB of the Z, but didn't like the "look" of the applications. |
| 15:07:30 | whardier | don' |
| 15:07:32 | whardier | t |
| 15:07:33 | whardier | blame |
| 15:07:33 | whardier | her |
| 15:07:39 | Lone | guised: And the monkey working there said, "Well, Linux isn't as powerful as Windows." |
| 15:07:45 | Cloudchaser | wince has many more apps |
| 15:07:56 | whardier | did you punch the dude? |
| 15:08:02 | Cloudchaser | and for some, the z doesn't do what they need it to do |
| 15:08:04 | W|GGL|T | its only a matter of time until a wince pda will include a keyboard |
| 15:08:06 | Cloudchaser | it may be more pwoerful |
| 15:08:19 | whardier | I would have taken his picture and ran to my voodoo witch woman with it |
| 15:08:58 | treke | <whardier> dont mind the vice grip on your balls. |
| 15:09:06 | Lone | Hehe. No, but I'll harass him later... Same guy tried to tell me that a 5400rpm HD doesn't make much difference over a 10krpm HD. |
| 15:09:07 | whardier | ? |
| 15:09:12 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:09:25 | Cloudchaser | but for me, anyway, its just a nice toy...the fact i have to pay 50.00 and then more to get it working on the serial cable is very disappointing |
| 15:09:27 | whardier | Lone: heh.. it doesn't |
| 15:09:49 | imm | Lone: at last the sound is very different :) |
| 15:09:57 | W|GGL|T | depends on what you are using it for |
| 15:09:58 | Lone | whardier: Depends on the application. |
| 15:10:03 | W|GGL|T | i'd guess |
| 15:10:03 | whardier | :) |
| 15:10:04 | whardier | true that |
| 15:10:04 | Cloudchaser | yes exactly |
| 15:10:15 | Lone | whardier: Mine was for a qmail queue drive. |
| 15:10:22 | Lone | Not that he'd know what that is... |
| 15:10:24 | whardier | Lone: for AV capture and so forth.. I would have to stay with something that is proven fast |
| 15:10:37 | whardier | but for my pr0n collectino.. I only get 30 megs before I am done with that drive |
| 15:10:43 | whardier | so it doesn't make much difference |
| 15:10:50 | Lone | Hehe. Nice. |
| 15:10:57 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:11:07 | W|GGL|T | what about serving? |
| 15:11:07 | whardier | man I am tired |
| 15:11:21 | W|GGL|T | me too...4 hours sleep |
| 15:11:31 | W|GGL|T | insomniatic nite |
| 15:11:33 | whardier | W|GGL|T there are a lot of different kinds os serving in this world |
| 15:11:58 | whardier | most stuff your server "serves" is most likely cached anyways |
| 15:12:14 | whardier | and most network cards are no match for a 10,000rpm drive |
| 15:12:16 | whardier | anyways |
| 15:12:17 | W|GGL|T | well...what kinda serving would benefit from fast HDs? |
| 15:12:36 | agupta | later |
| 15:12:37 | whardier | lots of users doing lots of reads and writes |
| 15:12:37 | W|GGL|T | most internet servers use scsi right? |
| 15:12:48 | whardier | not mine :) they don't need it |
| 15:13:02 | whardier | most rack mount schtuff does just for the hotswap ease |
| 15:13:03 | W|GGL|T | not you...the corporate world? |
| 15:13:05 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 15:13:07 | whardier | but that fucks over how much you can store |
| 15:13:13 | W|GGL|T | true |
| 15:13:45 | whardier | I have a few boxes with 120gig fasttrak raids that are behaving well |
| 15:13:54 | Lone | W|GGL|T: The server I was going to use it for has 3 1gb NIC's, and is a backend processing machine for a new webmail system I'm testing. |
| 15:13:55 | W|GGL|T | like those 15krpm cheetahs...what use are those for? |
| 15:13:57 | whardier | no bottleneck there because they are behind a connection slower than the drives |
| 15:14:09 | whardier | Lone: heh |
| 15:14:22 | whardier | yeah 3 1gb nics would overpower most drives |
| 15:14:26 | W|GGL|T | dialup? |
| 15:14:27 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 15:14:42 | Lone | whardier: I get to play with lots of really fast stuff. Its fun. |
| 15:14:47 | whardier | Lone: you must have a million users per hour |
| 15:15:06 | whardier | actually.. its dumb not to buy current tech really |
| 15:15:17 | W|GGL|T | as fast as it moves, yeah |
| 15:15:20 | whardier | and prep for fouture needs |
| 15:15:22 | whardier | future even |
| 15:15:28 | whardier | I want to die |
| 15:15:29 | Lone | whardier: Yep. My main mail processing system handles about 4.5 million mailboxes. |
| 15:15:37 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:15:40 | W|GGL|T | just sucks ass paying so much for new technology |
| 15:15:42 | whardier | thats a lot of goddamn mail |
| 15:15:55 | Lone | whardier: Gotta love 8tb of disk. ;-) |
| 15:15:58 | whardier | W|GGL|T: what if you don't have to |
| 15:16:02 | W|GGL|T | they rape the hell out of you at the initial price, then the price bottoms out |
| 15:16:08 | whardier | Lone: no.. gotta hump 8tb of disk |
| 15:16:20 | Lone | Hehe. |
| 15:16:23 | W|GGL|T | aka Zaurus |
| 15:16:24 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 15:16:29 | chayim | W |
| 15:16:30 | guised | lol |
| 15:16:38 | whardier | well.. |
| 15:16:39 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:16:58 | guised | overall though, the cost of paper/notebooks/binders... you do save by using the Z |
| 15:17:04 | whardier | I have enough wireless dishes to hack 3 different wireless networks all over the city |
| 15:17:06 | guised | :-p |
| 15:17:17 | W|GGL|T | and the Z's like...what....5 months old? |
| 15:17:20 | whardier | I am really thinking of haxoring in and forming my 1337 pirate network bond |
| 15:17:20 | W|GGL|T | the 5500s |
| 15:17:31 | guised | i dunno, im using the 5000D :-D |
| 15:17:32 | whardier | and using that connection for giFT |
| 15:17:36 | whardier | heh |
| 15:17:36 | W|GGL|T | wants a wireless dish |
| 15:17:56 | W|GGL|T | dunno what the hell i *need* it for though....out in cowchip town |
| 15:17:59 | whardier | W|GGL|T I have yet to put a dongle on my linksys CF card |
| 15:18:13 | whardier | W|GGL|T: uhm.. you live near plains? |
| 15:18:21 | W|GGL|T | central TX |
| 15:18:25 | whardier | hah! |
| 15:18:28 | whardier | howdy |
| 15:18:50 | whardier | my whole family is from Amarillo |
| 15:18:59 | whardier | except me |
| 15:19:03 | whardier | I was born in America |
| 15:19:22 | W|GGL|T | im 40 mi south of waco |
| 15:19:42 | W|GGL|T | can't find a tech (or any) job for shit since this town is so small |
| 15:19:51 | whardier | :( |
| 15:19:54 | whardier | well |
| 15:19:59 | W|GGL|T | everyone wants salesmen |
| 15:20:05 | whardier | if you live near somewhere with a 40 mile LOS |
| 15:20:14 | whardier | well 20 on the ground |
| 15:20:16 | whardier | 40 for towers |
| 15:20:32 | whardier | then if you can find youself in the middle of two of those towers |
| 15:20:37 | whardier | you could get one hell of a connection |
| 15:20:37 | W|GGL|T | and i live in a bit of a depression...does wonders for reception...heh |
| 15:21:02 | W|GGL|T | should move |
| 15:21:09 | whardier | or you could do that |
| 15:21:14 | chouimat|coffee | BigBoss: got Enchant Blink of an eye. very good. sound very much like FW |
| 15:21:42 | W|GGL|T | brb...i need a smoke, then i need to clean up coz my sister is on the way over |
| 15:24:14 | guised | anyone know of a good pda store in nyc |
| 15:24:15 | guised | lol |
| 15:24:25 | Cloudchaser | j and are |
| 15:24:31 | Cloudchaser | j and R |
| 15:24:47 | Cloudchaser | they'll price match too |
| 15:25:01 | guised | staples will too |
| 15:25:08 | whardier | ph3ars staples |
| 15:25:31 | Shayde | mornin folks! |
| 15:26:17 | guised | this wp stuff really bothers me |
| 15:26:22 | whardier | anybody here have DirecWay |
| 15:26:23 | guised | maybe i should go back to paper |
| 15:26:23 | whardier | ? |
| 15:26:42 | Cloudchaser | whats the matter? |
| 15:27:14 | whardier | word processors.. they are designed to help people with an average of a 9 year old intellect, write stuff.. |
| 15:27:20 | Shayde | heh. i've been having a hard time getting stuff installed this morning :( |
| 15:27:25 | Shayde | bad technology day. |
| 15:27:39 | whardier | Shayde: throw a fax machine over your shoulder for good luck |
| 15:27:43 | Shayde | whard: i peaked out on WP's with "WordPad" - i find MIcrosoft Word daunting as hell. |
| 15:28:03 | Shayde | hey, is ther ea mechanism to get a contact list from, say, the Palmpilot into the Z? |
| 15:28:16 | whardier | Shayde: Heh.. I end up doing all my processing of words.. with whatever I do my processing of code.. with |
| 15:28:21 | Shayde | i have 150-200 contacts in my Palm address book - wana get them into the Z. |
| 15:28:32 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 15:28:32 | darienm | ibot search zsi for p2z |
| 15:28:32 | treke | Shayde: intellinc can sync from palm desktop iirc |
| 15:28:34 | | ldap2zaurus 0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=244 |
| 15:28:35 | | P2Z 0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=370 |
| 15:28:36 | | strip2zsafe 2002-08-26 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=413 |
| 15:28:36 | darienm | ibot search zsi for p2z |
| 15:28:45 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 15:28:46 | darienm | Shayde: p2z |
| 15:28:51 | whardier | I need to clean clothes and shower |
| 15:28:57 | whardier | wonder if I can do both at the same time |
| 15:29:21 | whardier | I realized something today |
| 15:29:40 | whardier | I could save a lot of money with apartments if I had 20 or so rugs |
| 15:29:52 | whardier | the carpet would always stay happy |
| 15:30:05 | darienm | dropcloth |
| 15:30:09 | whardier | heh |
| 15:30:12 | darienm | hardwood floors |
| 15:30:12 | whardier | ok |
| 15:30:16 | whardier | then that solves it |
| 15:30:20 | darienm | walk on the ceiling with your anti-gravity boots |
| 15:30:20 | whardier | dropcloth for the floors.. cause its so sexy |
| 15:30:24 | whardier | and bubble wrap on the walls |
| 15:30:46 | darienm | although in a few years you'll be worrying about the tread marks from your wheelchair |
| 15:31:01 | whardier | :) |
| 15:31:25 | Shayde | daroem" tjamls |
| 15:31:27 | Shayde | yikes |
| 15:31:29 | Shayde | moves his hands |
| 15:31:31 | Shayde | darien: thanks |
| 15:31:34 | darienm | ?????!?! |
| 15:31:38 | darienm | jajajaj |
| 15:31:40 | darienm | er, |
| 15:31:41 | darienm | hahaha |
| 15:31:48 | whardier | tjamls darienm |
| 15:32:03 | Shayde | ung. i need to finish the zsi rewrite :( |
| 15:32:15 | whardier | nekki time |
| 15:33:02 | Shayde | okay, enxt q. 'sshd' or 'telnetd' for the Z? |
| 15:33:08 | Shayde | hates typing on th iddybiddy kb on the z. :( |
| 15:33:22 | kergoth`gone | working sucks. |
| 15:33:36 | chayim | kergoth: welcome back. |
| 15:33:41 | tux_mike | agreed |
| 15:33:51 | guised | which wireless cf card should i get for the Z |
| 15:33:53 | kergoth | thanks chayim |
| 15:34:13 | Shayde | gui: don't get the netgear. |
| 15:34:16 | Shayde | mine has never worked :( |
| 15:34:19 | chayim | Cloudchaser : you need to insmod uhci before usbdnet. But I notice you don't have a usbdnet module. |
| 15:34:22 | kergoth | this day is just draggging.. taking way too damn long |
| 15:34:35 | chayim | kergoth: dude I did another ipkg upgrade and my z was pooched yet again. |
| 15:34:39 | Shayde | sets fire to kergoth's chair. |
| 15:35:54 | kolla | usb-uhci |
| 15:36:18 | Cloudchaser | chayim: again?? |
| 15:36:36 | kergoth | beats shayde to death with a burning chair |
| 15:36:39 | Shayde | wtf... |
| 15:36:50 | Shayde | okay, why do i have 20 copies of files i've synced onto th3e Z? |
| 15:36:59 | Shayde | i thought i saw a recursive symlink at one point. wtf?? |
| 15:37:18 | Shayde | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| 15:37:22 | Shayde | FUCK ME WITH A CHAINSAW |
| 15:37:30 | Shayde | goddamned it - i did not download 'perl-mumble.ipk.txt' |
| 15:37:35 | Shayde | i HATE HATE HATE windows. |
| 15:37:37 | Shayde | GRRRRRR. |
| 15:37:40 | kergoth | install cygwin |
| 15:37:45 | Shayde | i -have- cygwin |
| 15:37:50 | tux_mike | kergoth: it's worse for me. there are no problems. and it's a "lazy" day in that i also have work, but don't want to do it |
| 15:37:51 | Shayde | mozilla saved teh fucking file as a .txt file |
| 15:37:51 | kergoth | use wget :-) |
| 15:37:59 | kergoth | tux_mike: oh i hate that. |
| 15:38:04 | tux_mike | yah |
| 15:38:06 | Cloudchaser | mozilla does that in linux too |
| 15:38:21 | Cloudchaser | not just windows |
| 15:38:49 | XavierXeon | wonders if he should make the backgammon board skinable |
| 15:38:51 | tux_mike | i have a set of PCI wlan cards to install, but i don't wanna do it |
| 15:39:02 | tux_mike | mozilla does it because of borked servers |
| 15:39:19 | Cloudchaser | chayim: are you having trouble seeing what i'm typing in query? |
| 15:39:30 | Cloudchaser | or are you just busy ;) |
| 15:39:44 | Shayde | did however get nethack running :) |
| 15:40:00 | tux_mike | doesn't get the idea of using a wireless lan card on a desktop system |
| 15:40:05 | chayim | Cloudchaser : I haven't seen anything you've typed in query. (what's query) |
| 15:40:13 | Cloudchaser | private message |
| 15:40:29 | chayim | Cloudchaser : I just sent you one, could you read it? |
| 15:40:45 | Cloudchaser | yes i can read it |
| 15:40:49 | Cloudchaser | and i answered |
| 15:40:57 | chayim | Cloudchaser : I never saw the answer. |
| 15:40:59 | Cloudchaser | 2 lines..can you see those? |
| 15:41:02 | Cloudchaser | hmm very odd |
| 15:41:13 | Cloudchaser | i'll close and reopen it |
| 15:41:14 | darienm|lunch | chayim: white text on white? Black on black? |
| 15:41:18 | chayim | Cloudchaser : quite. latest bitchx |
| 15:41:31 | chayim | darienm|lunch : ha ha ha |
| 15:41:42 | chayim | kergoth: still here? |
| 15:41:43 | darienm|lunch | chayim: it happens. |
| 15:41:47 | kergoth | chayim: sorta |
| 15:41:58 | Shayde | if i delete files from the qtopia desktop, does it delete them from the target on the zaurus? |
| 15:42:01 | chayim | kergoth: translation tti5? |
| 15:42:08 | Cloudchaser | ok just tried again |
| 15:42:10 | darienm|lunch | Shayde: yes |
| 15:42:16 | Shayde | good |
| 15:42:19 | Shayde | housecleans |
| 15:42:26 | Cloudchaser | hmmm very strange... |
| 15:42:32 | chayim | Cloudchaser : didn't get it yet again. |
| 15:42:42 | darienm|lunch | Shayde: rm -Rf / << does very good housecleaning |
| 15:42:54 | Cloudchaser | ok chayim: i did /sbin/insmod usb-uhci and it says the module exists |
| 15:42:55 | Shayde | oh yer a barrel of laughs. |
| 15:42:57 | Shayde | :) |
| 15:43:02 | chayim | I'll log off and log back on, hold on. |
| 15:43:05 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 15:43:16 | Shayde | slow. i'm gonna get some food. back in a bit. |
| 15:43:50 | chayim | I'm back |
| 15:44:21 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll open query |
| 15:44:55 | Cloudchaser | can you see me now? |
| 15:44:59 | chayim | Cloudchaser : yup! |
| 15:45:42 | guised | does anyone know when the next oz release is going to be? |
| 15:46:07 | kergoth | guised: whenever I can find some time |
| 15:46:46 | guised | i dont have any knowledge with programming and such, but is there any way i can help |
| 15:46:50 | chayim | set AUTO-IGNORE OFF |
| 15:47:55 | Cloudchaser | you were auto ignoring me? |
| 15:48:10 | Cloudchaser | hmmm |
| 15:50:09 | Cloudchaser | he was having troubles with that client i guess |
| 15:51:13 | Cloudchaser | ok does anyone know what the redhat usb patch is exactly? |
| 16:04:37 | numatrix | kergoth: any idea what could cause jffs2_gcd_mtd4 to be a CPU hog? I fixed it by rebooting, but I'm curious... |
| 16:05:04 | kergoth | numatrix: hm, not sure offhand. would be best off asking david woodhouse.. but we're switching to a newer jffs2 soon anyway |
| 16:05:22 | numatrix | spiffed. Who's woodhouse in here? Or is he not on irc? |
| 16:05:38 | chayim | kergoth: where's that new initrd that you emailed the list (future). I'd love it. |
| 16:05:49 | chayim | kergoth: the OZ upgrade is really quite busted from 2.9.5.5 |
| 16:06:15 | numatrix | chayim: http://psifertex.com/zaurus/updateoz.html |
| 16:06:29 | chayim | numatrix : thanks brudder |
| 16:06:32 | kergoth | chayim: indeed. ipkg or jffs2 is causing a hang, and that doesnt take into account the packaging changes that makes upgrading a pain (busybox now having tinylogin and wget for example) |
| 16:06:50 | chayim | kergoth: so how long? |
| 16:07:05 | chayim | numatrix: that page doesn't exist (404) |
| 16:07:10 | | somebody said update oz was Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 16:07:10 | numatrix | ibot: update oz |
| 16:07:21 | numatrix | sorry; had it backwards. ozupdate not updateoz |
| 16:07:36 | chayim | numatrix : ah! |
| 16:07:46 | numatrix | chayim: I just did it and tested it last night. |
| 16:07:51 | chayim | btw how do I reboot to console in oz? |
| 16:08:14 | numatrix | chayim: Read the webpage. It explains it all. |
| 16:08:57 | chayim | numatrix : am doing so |
| 16:09:42 | kolla | kergoth: CF card not being mounted.. pcmcia init script complaining about missing ide-cs module (??) - a cure? |
| 16:09:47 | kergoth | chayim: how long? well, first I need to fix a couple things with the openzaurus buildroot to ensure the builds are happening properly, then I need to cleanup the testing and unstable feeds and create supporting structure in the buildroot to accomidate creating of testing and/or unstable initrd.bin's, then I'll commit the stuff into the buildroot to run opie as a nonroot user.. |
| 16:10:05 | kergoth | kolla: thats fixed in oz cvs, for now just change the module name in /etc/pcmcia/config under ide-cs to ide_cs instead.. |
| 16:10:09 | kergoth | kolla: stupid naming change broke us |
| 16:10:15 | chayim | kergoth: yipes! |
| 16:10:18 | kergoth | kolla: (only cause we're on a old as dirt kernel) |
| 16:10:31 | kolla | wasnt aware I had _any_ ide*cs modules |
| 16:10:51 | kergoth | kolla: without them, you cant use your cf storage cards :-) |
| 16:11:18 | kolla | so where did it go? |
| 16:11:56 | kolla | in fact, people with sharp rom see no ide* when they do lsmod |
| 16:12:03 | kolla | even with CF card mounted |
| 16:12:23 | kolla | so I thought it was buildt into the kernel |
| 16:12:44 | kolla | but I do get /dev/hda1: No such device if I try to mount manually |
| 16:13:50 | kolla | also.. a pppd sometime would be great |
| 16:14:38 | JasonNJ | anyone got one of the current sharp roms running in landscape mode? |
| 16:14:47 | chayim | that's ok. |
| 16:15:00 | JasonNJ | I havent tried it in a while. |
| 16:15:03 | kergoth | kolla: you have teh module, the module naming changed in the pcmcia-cs configuration file |
| 16:15:13 | chayim | JasonNJ : about that zImage-32 question? |
| 16:15:27 | numatrix | does mooview not work in OZ? |
| 16:15:38 | chayim | numatrix : right. |
| 16:15:42 | JasonNJ | chayim: we dont currently have the programming resoruces to work on one. |
| 16:16:03 | JasonNJ | I'd strongly suggest you use the crow rom if you are wanting to do that |
| 16:16:07 | JasonNJ | since his works quite well |
| 16:16:16 | chayim | JasonNJ : it's just a tiny fix though. Not even code based, just an rc file (at least that's what Paul told me when I asked). |
| 16:17:51 | kolla | kergoth: I dont have any module matching ide* in /lib/modiules |
| 16:17:59 | kolla | /lib/modules |
| 16:19:39 | kolla | find /lib/modules | grep ide |
| 16:19:44 | kolla | gives nothing |
| 16:20:13 | JasonNJ | kergoth: what packages are required for the rotation again? |
| 16:21:12 | kolla | is curious what package ide_cs might hide in |
| 16:21:22 | whardier | pcmcia_modules |
| 16:21:49 | kolla | nope |
| 16:22:14 | kolla | pcmcia_cs is the only pcmcia package I have found |
| 16:22:34 | kolla | pcmcia-cs, sorry :) |
| 16:22:40 | saurus | sheet left my wireless card in all night and it still did not die. |
| 16:22:53 | saurus | whew |
| 16:22:57 | kolla | then ythere is the kernel-modules package, but it isnt there either |
| 16:28:08 | Lone | kergoth: I kinda figured out the wireless problem I was having yesterday. |
| 16:31:06 | JasonNJ | ah forgot to put all the rotation stuff up on the feed. |
| 16:31:20 | Lone | kergoth: I don't think I can set shared key authentication in it. |
| 16:31:42 | MSpin | Lone: which ROM and card? |
| 16:31:44 | JasonNJ | I wonder why it is two packages, it really should be just one |
| 16:33:39 | Lone | MSpin: OpenZaurus 2.9.5.5 and SMC card. |
| 16:34:35 | Lone | MSpin: Everything I've found about how/where to set it, has been with the wlan-ng stuff. Which basically means I'm SOL for my office LAN. |
| 16:36:28 | MSpin | you jsut need to set a WEP key? |
| 16:37:07 | Lone | MSpin: Done that... Doesn't associate. |
| 16:37:31 | numatrix | anybody know which konqueror feed item I install for the latest? |
| 16:38:01 | Lone | MSping: On my laptop, same card with wlan-ng, with shared key set, works fine. |
| 16:38:25 | MSpin | Lone: hrm... |
| 16:38:56 | MSpin | 128bit or 40bit key? |
| 16:39:55 | numatrix | They look like the same size even though one is -full and the other isn't. (based on reported sizes in the software updater) |
| 16:40:05 | Lone | MSpin: 128bit. |
| 16:40:36 | Lone | MSpin: I haven't contacted the maintainers of the prism2 driver yet, but I'm getting real close. ;-) |
| 16:40:40 | kolla | Lone: the wireless setting app keeps setting "open" authentication type if you dont specify it everytime you open it |
| 16:40:50 | kolla | yet another bug |
| 16:40:56 | MSpin | the way you set from console it is 'iwconfig wlan0 enc' |
| 16:41:29 | MSpin | Lone: jsut for the record, it's the wlan-ng drivers that suck:) |
| 16:41:48 | kolla | so it puts 'KEY="s:ekyblurb open"' in /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts, which will not work |
| 16:42:07 | Lone | MSpin: but "iwconfig wlan0 enc key 1234567890 restricted" should? |
| 16:42:12 | kolla | if they could make "Shared key" default, the problem would vanish |
| 16:42:31 | Lone | What would the shared key flag be, in the above example? |
| 16:42:38 | MSpin | Lone: I've never needed to specify 'restricted |
| 16:42:44 | kolla | I thought enc and key was the same option |
| 16:42:46 | Shayde | ahh. instlalations work better hwen the files moved are '.ipk' and not '.ipk.txt' or the like |
| 16:42:56 | Lone | kolla: It is. |
| 16:43:06 | Lone | kolla: I just can't type. |
| 16:43:14 | kolla | iwconfig wlan0 essid blurb key s:blarb |
| 16:43:59 | kolla | s: because it's string |
| 16:44:08 | Onyx4 | guys I have good news regarding the mod serial cable for those who were interested, the original guy who made the mod is willing to sell the cables for an extra 20$ on top of the real one, so something around 70$ with s/h |
| 16:44:26 | kolla | got the bluetooth card today, btw |
| 16:44:31 | Lone | kolla: Yeah, still doesn't take. |
| 16:44:34 | kolla | doesnt work on OZ at least |
| 16:44:36 | Lone | wlan0: INFO - fid=0x027f - len=2 type=0xf200 |
| 16:44:36 | Lone | LinkStatus=6 (Association failed |
| 16:45:12 | Shayde | wow there's something whacky with nested symlinks in a synced 'applications' tree. |
| 16:45:18 | Shayde | sees 5-8 copies of each file |
| 16:45:25 | kolla | lone: works here |
| 16:45:34 | MSpin | Lone: try using hte HEX key |
| 16:45:37 | kolla | with latest buggiest from OZ feed :) |
| 16:46:15 | Lone | MSpin: Yeah, ours is an all-numeric one, which normally gets sent as a hex key. |
| 16:46:18 | kolla | but my CF memory card wont show up :/ |
| 16:46:40 | kolla | lone: what happens if you try to use s:1234... ? |
| 16:46:48 | Lone | kolla: Same thing. |
| 16:47:05 | Lone | kolla: I've left off the s: as well, and still get the same thing. |
| 16:47:16 | kolla | how about "123445" |
| 16:47:29 | kolla | with quotes :) |
| 16:48:01 | MSpin | Lone: so you have a hex key, but you only used 0-9? |
| 16:48:18 | kolla | had to do that on the ibook to connect to certain 3com wlan bases, for some odd reason |
| 16:48:25 | Lone | MSpin: Don't ask. Network guys crontrol the AP. |
| 16:48:33 | Lone | kolla: Same result. |
| 16:48:36 | kolla | 0x123445 |
| 16:48:39 | tux_mike | mmmm burrito |
| 16:48:43 | Shayde | hmm. |
| 16:48:51 | Shayde | 'ipkf said something went wrong, sorry!' |
| 16:48:59 | Shayde | wonders if he jst ran out of space. |
| 16:50:18 | Lone | And the card and all work on my hope AP, a Linksys, with no WEP. |
| 16:50:43 | MSpin | Lone: when you get home, try setting a wep key on the linksys |
| 16:51:09 | Lone | MSpin: Hmm. Might piss off the other people in the apartment. |
| 16:51:12 | Lone | brb |
| 16:51:26 | MSpin | iwconfig wlan0 enc 123abc works for me every time |
| 16:51:37 | MSpin | Lone: well, it'd just be for testing:) |
| 16:55:24 | whardier | blah |
| 16:55:33 | whardier | I am almost too scared to ipkg upgrade |
| 16:55:39 | whardier | I did yesterday and it broke opie |
| 16:56:16 | whardier | broke it long time |
| 16:56:23 | whardier | that and I ran out of space |
| 16:58:05 | tux_mike | i thought the geek xXx would be leeter than that :) |
| 16:58:27 | whardier | I should have uninstalled X as well |
| 16:58:33 | whardier | now I am just reflashing |
| 16:58:37 | whardier | moving shit around |
| 16:58:40 | whardier | putting opt on SD |
| 16:58:46 | whardier | putting /usr/X11R6 on SD |
| 16:58:57 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 17 hours, 33 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: yes [Tue Sep 10 00:25:36 2002] |
| 16:58:57 | mutexer | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 16:59:04 | | sniper was last seen on #bzflag 6 hours, 14 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: thx [Fri Sep 13 11:44:59 2002] |
| 16:59:04 | mutexer | ibot seen sniper |
| 16:59:16 | tux_mike | i went and put /root in ram |
| 16:59:17 | | mutexer was last seen on #zaurus 13 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen sniper [Fri Sep 13 17:59:04 2002] |
| 16:59:17 | whardier | ibot seen mutexer |
| 16:59:27 | mutexer | is mad |
| 16:59:28 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen whardier [Fri Sep 13 17:59:28 2002] |
| 16:59:28 | whardier | ibot seen whardier |
| 16:59:45 | Onyx4 | tux_mike: then your settings and PIM data is volatile |
| 16:59:49 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:59:51 | whardier | so |
| 16:59:52 | whardier | yeah |
| 16:59:57 | mutexer | I was told in here by ben we had till monday...I emailed sharp and they said its due today |
| 17:00:02 | tux_mike | onyx: exactly |
| 17:00:07 | whardier | for some reason opie does not like my darkcurves backgrounds on a new flash |
| 17:00:19 | tux_mike | if i fsck up a setting, just reset |
| 17:00:26 | tux_mike | back to basics |
| 17:00:28 | numatrix | What the heck? The contest is due even though we haven't even gotten our development devices? |
| 17:00:45 | tux_mike | yup |
| 17:00:50 | tux_mike | that's TT for you :) |
| 17:00:54 | mutexer | ... you still havent gotten yours? |
| 17:00:55 | numatrix | tux_mike: It's not TT, it's sharp. |
| 17:01:03 | numatrix | tux_mike: Are we talking about different contests? |
| 17:01:09 | mutexer | They wont get my program today |
| 17:01:17 | Onyx4 | numatrix: are you the one working on gameboyz? |
| 17:01:20 | numatrix | Onyx4: yeah. |
| 17:01:30 | Onyx4 | any progress on the scaling? |
| 17:01:30 | chayim | Cloudchaser : because xpdf only gnerates a ps file when you hit print, it doesn't actually print. |
| 17:02:00 | numatrix | Onyx4: not yet, I'm trying to get an in-game menu working for a lot of the options. That way it will run entirely on hardware buttons with no keyboard popups. |
| 17:02:12 | Cloudchaser | cool numatrix: |
| 17:02:20 | numatrix | Onyx4: scaling probably won't be for a while. The size of the screen is very difficult to scale. |
| 17:02:23 | agupta | kergoth sup |
| 17:02:29 | agupta | scaling in what? |
| 17:02:42 | numatrix | agupta: gameboyz |
| 17:02:45 | agupta | ahok |
| 17:02:46 | Onyx4 | numatrix: well at least zooming in like 1.5 times or something like that would be nice |
| 17:02:49 | Cloudchaser | to make it bigger right? |
| 17:02:51 | Onyx4 | it's a little small right now hehe |
| 17:02:54 | agupta | anything new? |
| 17:03:00 | agupta | Onyx4 did you flash with the new initrd? |
| 17:03:09 | agupta | i can't keep people straight.. was that even you? |
| 17:03:14 | Onyx4 | no is there one? |
| 17:03:41 | numatrix | Onyx4: yeah, I know, but zooming 1.5 times is not trivial. If it were less than half the width and height, you could just double it, but 1.5 doesn't have a solution that easy. |
| 17:03:42 | agupta | heh |
| 17:03:44 | agupta | there's the testing one |
| 17:03:46 | Onyx4 | numatrix: I looked at your upgrade guide, quite a PITA do to :) |
| 17:03:52 | agupta | and then there's my custom build |
| 17:03:54 | agupta | with a few fixes |
| 17:04:08 | numatrix | Onyx4: yeah, it is. I would have made it as simple as possible, but I really think that's the simplest way to do it. |
| 17:04:14 | agupta | hmm |
| 17:04:14 | numatrix | Unfortunately. |
| 17:04:30 | agupta | numatrix just tell em flash with tjhsst.edu/~agupta/initrd.bin-2.9.9 |
| 17:04:32 | agupta | heh |
| 17:04:41 | agupta | kergoth is going to kill me for screwing up his versioning |
| 17:04:42 | Onyx4 | if we have to remove tinylogin why is it still in the feed |
| 17:04:54 | agupta | Onyx4 its still used for some stuff i think |
| 17:04:56 | agupta | hmm |
| 17:05:07 | agupta | tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 17:05:09 | kolla | Onyx4: aha! good question! :) |
| 17:05:10 | agupta | hmm |
| 17:05:11 | agupta | gtg |
| 17:05:13 | whardier | whats the newest hippist way for the Z usb stuff to work? |
| 17:05:15 | Onyx4 | or is it because tinylogin is now provided by busybox with wget as well? |
| 17:05:18 | whardier | under lunix |
| 17:05:29 | numatrix | agupta: Yeha, yeah... ;-) 2.9.9?! Presumptuous, maybe? |
| 17:05:55 | Cloudchaser | whardier: its not so hip |
| 17:06:00 | kolla | Onyx4: and why dont they just build everything into the kernel and get it all over with? :) |
| 17:06:03 | Cloudchaser | is recompiling kernel as we speak |
| 17:06:24 | whardier | Cloudchaser: whats the latest way to do it then? |
| 17:06:32 | whardier | last I checked was when OZ1 was happenin |
| 17:06:37 | Cloudchaser | well i had to get the redhat patch |
| 17:07:41 | Cloudchaser | and then follow the how-to of benmeyer, with chayim giving me moral support and hand-holding |
| 17:08:37 | kolla | imagine if linux could be multi root and provide a basic filesystem and cli in the kernel itself :) |
| 17:08:50 | Korpios | Hmm... Anyone here get g++ working directly on the Zaurus? I installed the cramfs image dev_img-1.3 and got gcc working, but g++ spits errors... =/ |
| 17:09:25 | kolla | another reason why single root sucks |
| 17:09:48 | whardier | where is all this documented nowadays Cloudchaser ? |
| 17:10:08 | | update oz is Use the gui to remove tinylogin, then upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, and atd. Reboot the zaurus into the console and run: "ipkg upgrade opie-base". Restart back into opie, and use the gui to finish upgrading. or http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html |
| 17:10:08 | Onyx4 | ibot: update oz |
| 17:10:09 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 17:10:14 | whardier | no shit |
| 17:10:24 | whardier | danke Cloudchaser |
| 17:10:32 | Cloudchaser | anytime whardier :) |
| 17:10:43 | whardier | you know it sweet thang |
| 17:10:50 | Cloudchaser | grins |
| 17:11:33 | whardier | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/patches/ |
| 17:11:36 | whardier | is there a difference? |
| 17:11:48 | whardier | redhat has its own kernels now :) |
| 17:11:57 | chayim | whardier : they always have. |
| 17:12:08 | whardier | are you serious? |
| 17:12:14 | whardier | their own patched kernels? |
| 17:12:20 | Cloudchaser | which flavor of linux do you use whardier? |
| 17:12:28 | whardier | debian |
| 17:12:34 | whardier | off of vanilla kernels |
| 17:12:40 | whardier | that have been patched 50 times over |
| 17:12:54 | whardier | lets see how usbdnet works on an openmosix SMP system |
| 17:12:57 | whardier | :) |
| 17:13:08 | Cloudchaser | hehe good luck |
| 17:13:43 | whardier | fuck |
| 17:13:44 | whardier | the hunk failed |
| 17:13:46 | whardier | fixes it |
| 17:15:30 | whardier | oops |
| 17:15:31 | whardier | thats my fault |
| 17:15:43 | whardier | I have heavily modified the usb makefiles in my linux kernel tree |
| 17:16:25 | whardier | ntw how do you fix the chroot (none) stuff onipkg installs? |
| 17:16:28 | whardier | btw |
| 17:17:46 | Cloudchaser | hiya leseb |
| 17:19:07 | whardier | do I have to remove tinylogin? |
| 17:19:55 | Microdim | does oz support the cf flash sharp digital camera? |
| 17:20:04 | Microdim | yet that is |
| 17:20:17 | | oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 17:20:17 | Microdim | ibot: oz |
| 17:27:11 | NetAmp | Hey y'all where can I find Debian (desktop) bootdisk image files? (for use with `rawrite`) |
| 17:27:23 | whardier | wow.. opie completely fails to run |
| 17:27:23 | whardier | woot |
| 17:27:41 | whardier | don't ipkg upgrade |
| 17:29:03 | Microdim | does any body know when the Sharp ( CE-AG06 ) digital camera is going to be supported in oz? |
| 17:29:13 | whardier | whats sdisp |
| 17:30:15 | Cloudchaser | whardier: chayim had same troubles |
| 17:30:15 | whardier | hah |
| 17:30:15 | whardier | removes nice from startqpe |
| 17:30:15 | whardier | apparently busybox upgrade removes nice |
| 17:30:18 | tux_mike | making a mean script? |
| 17:30:26 | whardier | no |
| 17:30:36 | whardier | why does qpe get run nice? |
| 17:30:39 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:30:41 | tux_mike | i don't remember there ever being a nice on OZ |
| 17:30:47 | whardier | kergoth: busybox has renice.. but not nice |
| 17:30:54 | JasonNJ | Microdim: the qpe-camera applet doesnt work in OZ? |
| 17:30:59 | whardier | ipkg search nice for me |
| 17:31:12 | whardier | nice survive -l 6 qpe 2>/dev/null >/dev/null |
| 17:31:23 | whardier | sdisp /home/QtPalmtop/pics/Startup_screen.bmp |
| 17:31:29 | whardier | those are apparently sharpdoms' |
| 17:31:41 | Neo|Work | btw I figured out why 'menu" didn't trigger the menu... |
| 17:32:01 | Neo|Work | it didn't because on the SL-5x00 the menu button doesn't generate an event until you let it go |
| 17:32:16 | Neo|Work | i.e when you release you get both press and release events |
| 17:32:17 | whardier | watches opie start |
| 17:32:21 | whardier | wow |
| 17:32:24 | whardier | thats interesting |
| 17:32:30 | whardier | it brought up |
| 17:32:32 | whardier | "Documents" |
| 17:32:33 | whardier | heh |
| 17:32:34 | whardier | bastards |
| 17:33:03 | numatrix | How do I keep things installed to ram from showing up in the Documents tab again? IE, I installed konqueror to ram, and symlinked it to root, but the icon is showing up in the Documents tab as well. |
| 17:33:33 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Hmm, that explains alot; that would apply to the sdl libs as well? |
| 17:33:45 | whardier | wow |
| 17:33:47 | whardier | this is fucked |
| 17:33:59 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 17:34:09 | Neo|Work | ditto with the cancel key btw |
| 17:35:06 | Onyx4 | mediummount settings is for document tabs |
| 17:35:06 | numatrix | Neo|Work: yeah; and they're trapped because holding them is a 'different' action. |
| 17:35:06 | Neo|Work | I sure hope the 5600 or whatever fixes this problem and adds a dedicated power/light button like the SL-A300 has |
| 17:35:07 | Neo|Work | right |
| 17:35:07 | numatrix | Neo|Work: That would be convienant. |
| 17:35:07 | Neo|Work | it's a lot nicer, trust me |
| 17:35:07 | numatrix | hint, hint, Jason, and sharp gang. |
| 17:35:13 | inomine_ | Neo|Work: just upgraded my ver of if it rocks, powerups are now way more accesible |
| 17:35:17 | Neo|Work | especially that you don't have to press+hold anything to turn it on/off - just press => on/off while hold->light on /off |
| 17:35:35 | Neo|Work | inomine: definitely |
| 17:35:59 | whardier | god damnit |
| 17:36:04 | whardier | I just fucking flashed this |
| 17:36:06 | whardier | grr |
| 17:36:09 | whardier | gets WAY pissy |
| 17:36:12 | numatrix | Where does the SCAP button put the image on the opie-screenshot applet? It's not handhelds.org/scap |
| 17:36:13 | Onyx4 | NeoTron: do you think it might be possible to get a different view angle of the ship? It's hard to see what's right in front of view |
| 17:36:19 | kergoth | whardier: probs? |
| 17:36:28 | whardier | kergoth: yeah.. you could say that |
| 17:36:35 | whardier | ipkg upgrade off of the 3.0 feed and you tell me |
| 17:36:41 | kergoth | numatrix: opie scans the mtdram partition for Documents now.. so now it suffers from the same documents tab headaches as cf and sd |
| 17:36:48 | Neo|Work | Onyx4: I suggested to Simon that there would be a cockpit view. |
| 17:36:56 | Neo|Work | btw, anyone testing IF might want to go to #eon instead |
| 17:37:02 | kergoth | whardier: 1) bc issues, 2) opie startup script isnt happy, 3) pcmcia-cs is broken for ide_cs, and 4) hotplug scripts are broken |
| 17:37:02 | numatrix | kergoth: No fix for that? That's ~really~ freaking obnoxious. |
| 17:37:14 | whardier | kergoth: so.. just don't then? |
| 17:37:32 | whardier | I was trying to figure out why a current flash would not read my png backgrounds |
| 17:37:34 | kergoth | numatrix: well, we need to add a general feature for the docs tab to never show items owned by a package in the package management database on that medium |
| 17:37:48 | kergoth | whardier: I'm fixing shit up tonight, and splitting into two feeds |
| 17:38:11 | whardier | heh |
| 17:38:11 | whardier | well |
| 17:38:13 | whardier | grr |
| 17:38:17 | whardier | it was just irritating |
| 17:38:29 | numatrix | kergoth: That would help; I had just been installing to SD by hand in .hidden directories. Guess I'll do the same for RAM. |
| 17:39:17 | kolla | is pining for ide_cs |
| 17:39:42 | Onyx4 | numatrix: if you configure mediummount to show only audio files for example, it won't show up anything else off the SD card |
| 17:39:51 | Onyx4 | numatrix: but you need to select at least one file type for it to work |
| 17:39:53 | kergoth | kolla: edit /etc/pcmcia/config and :%s,ide-cs,ide_cs,g; |
| 17:40:06 | numatrix | Onyx4: mediummount? |
| 17:40:15 | Onyx4 | there is a .opie-storage.cfg file on the root of each media |
| 17:40:15 | kolla | kergoth: did it, no change |
| 17:40:19 | kergoth | numatrix: install mediummountgui |
| 17:40:22 | Onyx4 | numatrix: opie-mediummount |
| 17:40:31 | numatrix | both of those? |
| 17:40:37 | kergoth | kolla: well, it works here. i'll update the pcmcia-cs package in the feed later |
| 17:40:49 | kolla | there _are_ no ide_cs.o on my system |
| 17:40:51 | Onyx4 | im not sure tough how mediummount handles the mtdram |
| 17:40:55 | whardier | mail call! |
| 17:40:58 | whardier | runs off |
| 17:41:02 | kolla | kergoth: does lsmod display this module also? |
| 17:42:11 | kergoth | kolla: dont have my Z in front of me, i'm working |
| 17:42:33 | kolla | ok |
| 17:42:38 | kergoth | kolla: just backrev your pcmcia-cs package for now from http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/old |
| 17:42:51 | kolla | ok |
| 17:42:54 | kergoth | kolla: its the new 3.2.1 update that brok the config file |
| 17:44:18 | Cloudchaser | woot! it did reboot! i didn't break it! |
| 17:45:53 | kolla | kergoth: yes, that fiex it |
| 17:46:06 | kergoth | kolla: good good |
| 17:46:23 | kolla | but there still is _no_ ide?cf module loaded |
| 17:46:29 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:46:50 | kergoth | i must've been mistaken then, i'll take a lok tonight |
| 17:46:54 | kergoth | s/lok/look/ |
| 17:47:28 | kolla | kergoth: ok |
| 17:47:43 | whardier | rips another farscape |
| 17:47:47 | kolla | a pppd would be nice also :) |
| 17:47:48 | whardier | god I love netflix |
| 17:48:10 | kergoth | kolla: thanks for the reminder |
| 17:48:25 | kolla | :) |
| 17:48:54 | kolla | kergoth: got the socket communication bluetooth card today, wanna play with it, need pppd :) |
| 17:49:02 | kergoth | oh nice. |
| 17:49:14 | kergoth | kolla: the opie netsetup doesnt handle that nicely for you yet, but opie does have bluetooth tools |
| 17:49:35 | kolla | yes, I have already installed the affix stuff |
| 17:49:55 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:49:57 | kolla | not all of it works though, I suspect it was compiled for sharp rom |
| 17:50:00 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:50:08 | kolla | the kernel modules load though |
| 17:50:12 | kergoth | well, adding affix was on my todo too, maybe i'll have time to take a look tonight |
| 17:50:33 | JasonNJ | affix as opposed to blueZ? |
| 17:50:49 | kolla | JasonNJ: yes |
| 17:50:56 | kergoth | well, i was planning on adding both affix and bluez :-) |
| 17:50:58 | JasonNJ | is affix that much better? |
| 17:51:08 | kolla | JasonNJ: no idea |
| 17:51:23 | kolla | got the card todsay, have no basis to say whatever it best |
| 17:54:05 | | TheMasterMind1 was last seen on #zaurus 14 hours, 49 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: bye [Fri Sep 13 04:04:50 2002] |
| 17:54:05 | kagemusha | ibot seen TheMasterMind1 |
| 17:54:21 | kagemusha | guess he's not here then, =( |
| 17:54:40 | kolla | kergoth: but oh yes.. dmesg shows me a kernel warning when I insert the bt card |
| 17:55:14 | kolla | that's not so cool :) |
| 17:58:38 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/backgammon/backgammon.html <--- if someone feels like making a backgammon board (pre-alpha screenshot) |
| 17:59:28 | Chemeleon | could someone help me install x11 on my zaurus please? |
| 18:06:49 | darienm | XavierXeon: I can draw. |
| 18:06:54 | ibz | hi |
| 18:07:24 | ibz | so the 5500 doesn't come with a terminal? |
| 18:08:14 | Chemeleon | it can be dl'ed from the myzaurus website |
| 18:08:16 | XavierXeon | darienm: get the blueprint from my page for the right dimension and do with it whatever you like. i will include all boards i get from people in the release. |
| 18:09:33 | ibz | Chemeleon: ok, thanx |
| 18:09:40 | ibz | but... |
| 18:10:17 | ibz | i can't get usb over ethernet working...plus i don't have a card reader yet... |
| 18:10:17 | darienm | XavierXeon: Only the board right, you'll handle the pieces? |
| 18:11:50 | XavierXeon | darienm: pieces will be 15x15 pixels loaded from a 30x15 png containing both "colors". so they are also skinable |
| 18:12:37 | ntropy | ibz: just sync the terminal ipkg |
| 18:13:17 | darienm | XavierXeon: You might want to do 14x14 in order to center the pieces on their lines, and not have them touch the ones next to them. |
| 18:14:19 | XavierXeon | darienm: you are right. |
| 18:14:46 | ibz | ntropy: am not following.... |
| 18:15:02 | Chemeleon | ibz, can you sync files? |
| 18:15:11 | ibz | no. |
| 18:15:38 | ibz | when Z is on cradle, i get messages in /var/log/messages... |
| 18:15:40 | Chemeleon | k, thats what hes talking about...open the qtopia desktop, and drag the terminal ipk to the documents tab |
| 18:16:30 | ibz | i take it when you say "drag" you assume i am on windoze? |
| 18:17:14 | Chemeleon | yea |
| 18:17:19 | Chemeleon | havn't tried it on linux yet |
| 18:17:28 | ibz | am running debian. |
| 18:18:02 | ntropy | ibz: well, there is sync software for linux now |
| 18:18:10 | ntropy | it just sets up the ppp connection to the Z |
| 18:18:12 | XavierXeon | ibz: have you installed the usbdnet kernel module on your debian box ? |
| 18:18:24 | ibz | XavierXeon: yes |
| 18:18:38 | ibz | i get the following which seems correct... |
| 18:19:19 | ibz | Sep 13 20:06:37 memento kernel: usb.c: USB device 4 (vend/prod 0x4dd/0x8004) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 18:19:45 | XavierXeon | ibz: try transfer via ftp, port 4242 on the Z |
| 18:19:55 | kergoth | ibz: is usbdnet module loaded? does ifconfig -a show usb0 interface? |
| 18:21:03 | ibz | kergoth: i did a modprobe usbnet. but no usb interface under ifconfig |
| 18:21:17 | kergoth | ibz: it doesnt use usbnet. |
| 18:21:22 | kergoth | ibz: it uses *usbdnet* |
| 18:21:27 | kergoth | ibz: please read the ethernet over usb howot |
| 18:21:30 | | well, howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 18:21:30 | kergoth | ibot: howtos |
| 18:21:45 | ibz | bugger. |
| 18:22:03 | | thanks ntropy :) |
| 18:22:03 | ntropy | ibot: bot snack |
| 18:22:23 | ibz | there doesn't seem to be a usbdnet module. |
| 18:22:41 | ntropy | what kernel are you using? |
| 18:22:44 | kergoth | ibz: *read* the howto |
| 18:22:50 | ntropy | and did you compile it yourself? |
| 18:23:00 | kergoth | ibz: you need to either compile the standalone usbdnet module, or you need to patch your kernel sources and enable it and build |
| 18:23:48 | ibz | kergoth: standalone? meaning no kernel recompile? |
| 18:26:07 | ibz | i would have thought patching the kernel and compiling the standalone module would have meant the same thing no? |
| 18:26:30 | ntropy | ibz: no |
| 18:26:52 | Cloudchaser | am i crashing your irc chayim? |
| 18:26:56 | ntropy | ibz: did you compile the usbdnet driver? |
| 18:26:58 | Cloudchaser | when i post that output? |
| 18:27:28 | ibz | ntropy: i have the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel from debian woody. |
| 18:27:42 | ibz | doesn't have the usbdnet just usbnet. |
| 18:28:09 | KallDrexx | damn cable |
| 18:28:11 | Cloudchaser | i've tried both ways and failed ;( what a surprise for me |
| 18:28:14 | ibz | no, what i want to know, is if "standalone" means, i can just get the sources, compile and plug it in. |
| 18:28:23 | Cloudchaser | i'll just do without usb i guess |
| 18:28:33 | ibz | s/no/now/ |
| 18:28:36 | ntropy | ibz: then you need to compile the usbdnet driver |
| 18:28:54 | ntropy | ibz: yeah, you can do that to build the module |
| 18:29:04 | ibz | ntropy: ok, but does that mean a *kernel* recompile or not? |
| 18:29:17 | ntropy | no, shouldnt |
| 18:29:21 | ibz | ntropy: ok cool. |
| 18:29:57 | kergoth | ibz: you can build the module independently, but you just compile it against the kernel headers in yoru kernel source tree, and you're fine |
| 18:30:38 | AAA | gaw-lee this channel got huge since last I visited |
| 18:30:57 | Chemeleon | has anyone here gotten x windows installed on their zaurus, and can help me install it? |
| 18:31:13 | DragonEagle | hay all |
| 18:31:26 | ibz | kergoth: yeah, i figured, am just grabbing the patch. |
| 18:31:48 | DragonEagle | my fiance is thinking about getting a zaurus, but we have some questions |
| 18:32:13 | DragonEagle | 1. how closely related is the Linux to the handhelds.org release |
| 18:32:13 | kergoth | ask away |
| 18:32:14 | DragonEagle | ? |
| 18:32:24 | kergoth | its a different linux distribution. |
| 18:32:29 | kergoth | embedix |
| 18:32:37 | kergoth | which is more redhat based, whereas familiar is more debian based |
| 18:32:46 | numatrix | DragonEagle: How close do you want it to be? |
| 18:32:47 | XavierXeon | Chemeleon: i did install x ages ago. i just installed the ipks |
| 18:32:56 | DragonEagle | numatrix: dead on the same :) |
| 18:33:09 | numatrix | DragonEagle: Hmm. I think you'll find this nicer in some ways. |
| 18:33:18 | kergoth | DragonEagle: then install openzaurus, which is an alternative debian based distro, *much* like familiar |
| 18:33:30 | numatrix | DragonEagle: or do that. |
| 18:33:32 | kergoth | numatrix: you can install opie in familiar |
| 18:33:34 | kergoth | numatrix: ;-) |
| 18:33:47 | DragonEagle | numatrix: can the handhelds.org bootldr be installed? |
| 18:33:51 | kergoth | DragonEagle: no |
| 18:33:54 | AAA | familiar? I have not heard of that one |
| 18:34:00 | numatrix | AAA: handhelds.org |
| 18:34:07 | AAA | thx |
| 18:34:09 | numatrix | np |
| 18:34:16 | kergoth | DragonEagle: you need to stick with the stock angelboot for now, though I'd like to get redboot or blob ported over eventually |
| 18:34:17 | DragonEagle | and can the system communicate with a linux system...only windows is mentioned in the system requirements |
| 18:34:28 | numatrix | DragonEagle: yup. |
| 18:34:29 | kergoth | DragonEagle: yes, it can communicate with linux |
| 18:34:41 | DragonEagle | cool, then I'll give her the go ahead :0 |
| 18:34:43 | KallDrexx | kergoth: have you been informed about CF trouble with latest upgrades? |
| 18:34:43 | DragonEagle | er :) |
| 18:34:49 | ntropy | DragonEagle: it just using chat and pppd to communication and sync |
| 18:34:54 | AAA | although it is a little trickier to make it talk to linux |
| 18:34:57 | kergoth | KallDrexx: yep, i heard.. all will be fixed tonight |
| 18:35:03 | KallDrexx | kergoth: ok cool :) |
| 18:35:06 | numatrix | DragonEagle: not out of the box if you're referring to syncing, it requires some upgrades and installs to get the usbdnet module running. |
| 18:35:11 | DragonEagle | so it can't use usb-eth |
| 18:35:13 | JasonNJ | man you know they get bored on #palmchat when they start talking about gynecologists and rectal exams |
| 18:35:30 | AAA | tmi |
| 18:35:39 | DragonEagle | numatrix: oh, ok is there a doc online somewhere? |
| 18:35:44 | | it has been said that howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 18:35:44 | numatrix | ibot: howtos |
| 18:35:54 | numatrix | DragonEagle: there somewhere |
| 18:36:05 | DragonEagle | thx |
| 18:36:13 | numatrix | certainly |
| 18:36:28 | DragonEagle | one other question...the gui toolkit...gq or gtk? |
| 18:36:36 | DragonEagle | s/gq/qt/ |
| 18:36:54 | kergoth | DragonEagle: it uses the qtopia palmtop environment, which uses qt |
| 18:37:02 | DragonEagle | eeeewwwwww |
| 18:37:03 | kergoth | DragonEagle: or you can use opie, which also uses qt, or you can install X |
| 18:37:10 | tux_mike | falls over in boredom |
| 18:37:14 | kergoth | DragonEagle: or you can install gpe, or whatever. its linux, you can do whatever you like |
| 18:37:21 | DragonEagle | I think we'll have to make that a genie system |
| 18:37:27 | numatrix | DragonEagle: but the default sharp one is QT. |
| 18:37:43 | DragonEagle | ok, that was just a couriosity issue thanks |
| 18:37:49 | numatrix | genie system? |
| 18:37:57 | DragonEagle | tcl/tk based |
| 18:37:57 | kergoth | s/genie/geniuine? |
| 18:38:00 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:38:25 | DragonEagle | leaves a lot more room on the flash for things like er data |
| 18:38:51 | Chemeleon | when I try to install X, it says file not found, no matter where I put it :\ |
| 18:38:59 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 18:39:06 | tux_mike | hey speedy |
| 18:39:06 | Speedy2 | Hey cdm |
| 18:39:11 | Speedy2 | Hey miek |
| 18:39:13 | Speedy2 | miek |
| 18:39:15 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 18:39:15 | Speedy2 | mike |
| 18:39:16 | tux_mike | lol |
| 18:39:17 | Speedy2 | Ok, there we go |
| 18:39:40 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 18:39:46 | tux_mike | my LEDs should be in today |
| 18:39:55 | Speedy2 | Hey, cool |
| 18:40:10 | numatrix | tux_mike: Do you know what you're going to put in your cryo-chamber mouse? |
| 18:40:39 | tux_mike | this isn't gonna be a cryo chamber one, i'm making a special uC project to have it light up different colors :) |
| 18:40:48 | KallDrexx | ok linux general question: something taking up /dev/dsp and not letting me use it, kde told me it had permission denied when trying to get the sound device, is there a way to find out what app is taking the device? |
| 18:41:16 | tux_mike | lsof |
| 18:42:02 | KallDrexx | lsof? |
| 18:42:13 | KallDrexx | how od i use that? |
| 18:42:16 | numatrix | KallDrexx: yeah, the program lsof |
| 18:42:23 | numatrix | You run it from the command line: lsof |
| 18:42:25 | XavierXeon | Chemeleon: try installing it manually. open the terminal and change to the dir you put the ipk in. then type : "ipk install <blah>.ipk" |
| 18:42:35 | KallDrexx | numatrix: I got that, but it spammed me with a bunch of info =P |
| 18:42:41 | numatrix | KallDrexx: lsof | grep dsp |
| 18:43:09 | Chemeleon | k |
| 18:43:21 | KallDrexx | Chemeleon: hey :) |
| 18:43:28 | Chemeleon | hi kall |
| 18:43:49 | KallDrexx | numatrix: umm.. nothing came up. and when i cat /dev/dsp random characters are scrolling.... |
| 18:44:00 | numatrix | KallDrexx: yeah, catting it will do nothing good. |
| 18:44:01 | KallDrexx | Chemeleon: got X runnign? |
| 18:44:03 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 18:44:08 | Chemeleon | not yet :\ |
| 18:44:18 | KallDrexx | numatrix: so does this mean it's not wroking for some unknown reason? |
| 18:44:26 | numatrix | KallDrexx: if lsof | grep dsp shows nothing then nothing is using the program right now, it's actually a file permission on the device |
| 18:44:32 | numatrix | ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 18:44:33 | KallDrexx | numatrix: cause it just happened when I logged in after school (worked before school) |
| 18:44:39 | numatrix | What permissions are on it and who owns it? |
| 18:44:54 | KallDrexx | numatrix: um /dev/dsp is in the audio group i bleieve |
| 18:45:02 | KallDrexx | numatrix: but like I said I had access to it htis morning |
| 18:45:11 | | fusion94 was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 50 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: JasonNJ: good morning [Fri Sep 13 15:54:34 2002] |
| 18:45:11 | BigBoss | ibot seen fusion94 |
| 18:46:49 | numatrix | I'm trying to mount the dev_img file and failing; anybody see anything wrong with this fstab entry? |
| 18:46:53 | numatrix | /mnt/card/.dev/dev_img-1.3 /home/dev cramfs rw,loop 1 1 |
| 18:47:00 | numatrix | # mount /home/dev |
| 18:47:00 | numatrix | mount: Mounting /mnt/card/.dev/dev_img-1.3 on /home/dev failed: No such device |
| 18:53:36 | Chemeleon | tried changing to /mnt/cf, and it still says: ERROR: cannot find package x11zaurus in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists |
| 18:54:21 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 8 hours, 9 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: thx [Fri Sep 13 11:44:59 2002] |
| 18:54:21 | cdm2 | ibot: seen Sniper |
| 18:55:02 | Speedy2 | Hey cdm2 |
| 18:55:09 | cdm2 | hey Speedy2. |
| 18:55:16 | kergoth | hey cdm, speedy |
| 18:55:43 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth |
| 18:55:47 | Speedy2 | Re-wrote the routine in assembly |
| 18:55:50 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:55:51 | Speedy2 | < 20 instructions |
| 18:55:56 | Speedy2 | Though GCC was being a POS |
| 18:55:59 | Speedy2 | I couldn't use #defines! |
| 18:56:00 | kergoth | it usually is |
| 18:56:04 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 18:56:23 | Speedy2 | I have to time it now and see if I need to write the summing routine in ASM too. |
| 18:56:36 | kergoth | i'm learning more about using perl in a OO way than i wuld ever have liked |
| 18:57:22 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 18:58:09 | KallDrexx | does anyone here have the original terms we agreed to for the sharp challenge? |
| 18:59:27 | ljp_work | I cant remember, but I think you have to give up your first born daughter |
| 18:59:52 | KallDrexx | :) |
| 19:00:05 | KallDrexx | To my recollection they dind't put in what happens if we dont' finish it really |
| 19:00:19 | KallDrexx | is trying to see if anything can happen if he doens't finish by the date |
| 19:00:27 | ljp_work | ahhh |
| 19:00:31 | KallDrexx | cause |
| 19:00:34 | umopapisdn | KallDrexx: are you far off? |
| 19:00:58 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:01:02 | KallDrexx | umopapisdn: sorta but i still have a lot of work to put into it, and last week i spent at school, filling out college apps, and working (had no time) and the sames for this week to (visiting colleges) |
| 19:01:11 | KallDrexx | so basically I'm going with only today nd tomorow to work on it |
| 19:01:21 | KallDrexx | got an extension till oct but... |
| 19:01:23 | nasa | hey ljp_work |
| 19:01:37 | ljp_work | woooott! nasa! you 'da man! |
| 19:01:47 | umopapisdn | KallDrexx: What kind of an app are you writing? |
| 19:01:59 | KallDrexx | umopapisdn: multiplayer RTS |
| 19:02:16 | umopapisdn | KallDrexx: Well that sounds like a SMALL project... :) |
| 19:02:22 | KallDrexx | lol :) |
| 19:02:30 | KallDrexx | i've been working my butt off for 5 weeks |
| 19:02:39 | KallDrexx | err more than that |
| 19:02:49 | nasa | ljp_work. your welcome. |
| 19:02:52 | umopapisdn | KallDrexx: I bet... and you probably need like 5 more months right? :) |
| 19:03:24 | KallDrexx | umopapisdn: nah if it wasn't for work and the colleg estuff I could have it finished or 95% done by oct |
| 19:03:27 | KallDrexx | just haven't had time really |
| 19:04:12 | ljp_work | nasa: nope.. that you! |
| 19:04:29 | numatrix | Ahh; my job in network security is usually the most when a nice new worm breaks loose... |
| 19:04:38 | numatrix | I hope everybody patched openssl. |
| 19:04:45 | numatrix | the most interesting, that is. |
| 19:04:51 | Chemeleon | its working finally :) |
| 19:05:22 | numatrix | Chemeleon: Apparently. ;-) |
| 19:07:53 | BigBoss | fusion94????? |
| 19:19:56 | Chemeleon | btw, does anyone else have a shaddow on the top right corner of their screen? |
| 19:20:55 | Bovine | Chemeleon: yeah I noticed that |
| 19:21:05 | SimbaWork | Can any of you help me connect my Zaurus to pc. |
| 19:21:06 | SimbaWork | ? |
| 19:21:28 | Chemeleon | windows or linux? |
| 19:21:32 | SimbaWork | Windows XP |
| 19:21:33 | SimbaWork | Pro |
| 19:21:43 | Chemeleon | yea, you install the software yet? |
| 19:21:47 | SimbaWork | yeah |
| 19:22:05 | Chemeleon | plug in the cradle, slide the zaurus onto that |
| 19:22:11 | Chemeleon | then open the qtopia desktop software |
| 19:22:25 | SimbaWork | i installed intellisync instead |
| 19:22:32 | SimbaWork | should i uninstall it then install qtopia? |
| 19:22:48 | Chemeleon | do you use outlook? |
| 19:23:14 | SimbaWork | yeah but i tried using qtopia and it didn't work so i installed intellisync which still doesn't work. |
| 19:23:26 | SimbaWork | i don't necessarily have to sync outlook w/ zaurus though. |
| 19:23:44 | SimbaWork | actually i don't want my zaurus to access Outlook at all. |
| 19:23:53 | Chemeleon | then install qtopia |
| 19:24:04 | SimbaWork | but would it matter though? |
| 19:24:10 | Chemeleon | when you put the z in the cradle the first time, the found new hardware wizard should come up |
| 19:24:33 | SimbaWork | so i kept on clicking ok and etc to install the driver from cd |
| 19:24:40 | Chemeleon | not sure...but the instructions say to install intellisync only if you want to sync with outlook |
| 19:24:52 | SimbaWork | ok, let's go on. |
| 19:25:14 | Chemeleon | yea, then open qtopia, and it should show its status at the bottom bar |
| 19:25:29 | Chemeleon | if it says version check at some point, its connected |
| 19:25:33 | SimbaWork | when i had qtopia, it showed two red stuff |
| 19:25:48 | SimbaWork | as an icon on the systray. |
| 19:25:50 | Chemeleon | that means its not connecting, you sure it was seated in the cradle properly? |
| 19:26:04 | SimbaWork | yes because qtopia renewed the ip |
| 19:26:56 | Chemeleon | maybe check thru here: http://myzaurus.com/downloads/Troubleshooting_tips.doc |
| 19:27:36 | SimbaWork | =( |
| 19:28:10 | Chemeleon | the only prob I've had with mine was when I forgot to plug the cable back in, so unfortunatly, I can't do much troubleshooting yet :\ |
| 19:28:30 | Chemeleon | but whenever I had a problem it was related to hardware |
| 19:28:40 | Chemeleon | ie cable not plugged in, zarurs turned off, etc |
| 19:35:25 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 19:35:27 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm backkkkkkkkk |
| 19:35:44 | treke | smells a new tkc flame war brewing on the mailing list |
| 19:35:55 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 19:36:01 | TheMasterMind1 | which mailing list |
| 19:36:24 | SimbaWork | chemeleon!!! i thnik that helped. |
| 19:36:25 | treke | the tkc app support list |
| 19:36:42 | Shayde | hey guys, got a problem. |
| 19:37:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: rewriting *all* of configs/methods/ in perl instead of highly bash dependent shell |
| 19:37:01 | Shayde | i have an SDram card mounted on /mnt/card |
| 19:37:18 | Shayde | it has one directory on it 'Documents'. the Documents directory is infinatly linked back to itself. |
| 19:37:27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth rofl |
| 19:37:35 | TheMasterMind1 | perl oo? |
| 19:37:35 | ljp_work | fskc.vfat |
| 19:37:37 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: you can always try ruby if you want OO scripting |
| 19:37:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, oo |
| 19:37:44 | TheMasterMind1 | yuck |
| 19:37:45 | Shayde | somewhere deep down is a bunch of documents, but i can just go 'cd Docu<tab><tab><tab>' til i'm blue in the face and it won't reach bottom. |
| 19:37:45 | ljp_work | err fsck.vfat |
| 19:37:46 | TheMasterMind1 | oo = shit |
| 19:37:47 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hm thats an idea, i still havent learned that |
| 19:37:49 | TheMasterMind1 | cept with ruby |
| 19:37:52 | TheMasterMind1 | ruby is like the only good oo |
| 19:37:56 | prpplague | JasonNJ: are you in the same area with Raj Oswal? |
| 19:37:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dood, you're on crack |
| 19:38:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 19:38:06 | ljp_work | ruby-duby-do! |
| 19:38:07 | TheMasterMind1 | oo is on crack |
| 19:38:09 | kergoth | but i do need to learn ruby and python both |
| 19:38:31 | TheMasterMind1 | we have more important stuff to be done than rewriting something that works in perl..oo nontheless! |
| 19:38:34 | TheMasterMind1 | work on the kernel! |
| 19:38:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the sources are *fucked* |
| 19:38:43 | Speedy2 | He'll do whatever he wants to do. |
| 19:38:44 | Shayde | mmm. was that fsck.vfat for me? |
| 19:38:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: right now it is not sufficient for our needs |
| 19:38:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and its broken to boot |
| 19:38:56 | TheMasterMind1 | alright alright |
| 19:39:02 | TheMasterMind1 | anything else new today? |
| 19:39:06 | kergoth | no |
| 19:39:10 | ljp_work | shayde: yes or reformat it |
| 19:39:19 | kergoth | tonight i split the feeds, finish the opie as a nonroot user stuff, and work on 2.9.7 initrd |
| 19:39:25 | Shayde | i don't mind reformatting it. :) |
| 19:39:28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth did you see the thing tim added... the hancomsheet ? |
| 19:39:32 | Shayde | just fsck.vfat /mnt/card ? |
| 19:39:39 | ljp_work | tshayde: that would work |
| 19:39:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yup |
| 19:39:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: have you tested it yet? |
| 19:39:54 | SimbaWork | I'm trying to install the telnet client and it asks if i wanna install it to RAM, CF, or SD. What do I have to select? |
| 19:40:13 | SimbaWork | What does CF and SD mean? |
| 19:40:23 | ljp_work | compact flash |
| 19:40:27 | KallDrexx | Compat Flash, secure digital |
| 19:40:32 | KallDrexx | 2 types of external storage |
| 19:40:33 | Shayde | lj: do i need to unmount it first? |
| 19:40:34 | ljp_work | and secure digital or somethign |
| 19:40:41 | SimbaWork | then RAM is like the HD? |
| 19:40:41 | ljp_work | shayde: yes |
| 19:40:44 | Shayde | and do fsck.vfat /dev/mmcda1 ? |
| 19:40:45 | Shayde | k |
| 19:40:55 | SimbaWork | i wanna install it to Z itself so should i select RAM? |
| 19:41:43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth no haven't tested.. how come only hancomsheet? no hancom word and all that? |
| 19:41:51 | ljp_work | shayde: mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcda1 |
| 19:41:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not sure, probably testing this first and add others later |
| 19:42:07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth also, in latest opie, the app that lets you setup the time crashes |
| 19:42:11 | TheMasterMind1 | when you set the time |
| 19:42:16 | TheMasterMind1 | and if you kill it, opie gets killed |
| 19:42:21 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:42:27 | TheMasterMind1 | heh oh well |
| 19:42:27 | kergoth | i warned you things werent solid right now |
| 19:42:33 | kergoth | report the bugs to the bug tracker |
| 19:42:37 | kergoth | http://opie.info/ |
| 19:42:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i put up tjhsst.edu/~agupta/initrd.bin-2.9.9 |
| 19:42:47 | TheMasterMind1 | and tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 19:42:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:42:59 | TheMasterMind1 | with fixed pcmcia config |
| 19:43:13 | nasa | ljp_work: plz remember to try oz with apps installed onto the sd card (the more the better) and see what happens |
| 19:43:14 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 19:43:22 | Shayde | yah, the fsck.vfat didn't work :( |
| 19:43:28 | TheMasterMind1 | oipkg and ipkg are so shitty |
| 19:43:29 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 19:43:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to work on them |
| 19:43:34 | Shayde | mkfs's it. |
| 19:43:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: pcmcia-cs fix is in cvs right? |
| 19:43:37 | Chemeleon | is there a site somewhere with software and help on x11 for the z? |
| 19:43:40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yep |
| 19:43:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good, i'll fix the hotplug crap tongiht |
| 19:43:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:43:54 | nasa | Shayde: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:43:55 | TheMasterMind1 | what about that kernel? |
| 19:43:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hows it going |
| 19:44:09 | umopapisdn | kergoth: Hey ho! No more news about the suspend/resume/CF issue today? |
| 19:44:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm.. ipkg is written in python? |
| 19:44:24 | Shayde | nasa: i have an infinately nested sdram filesystem. "Documents/Documents/Documents/Documents..." etc |
| 19:44:24 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn what issue? |
| 19:44:40 | kergoth | umopapisdn: no new news, havent had time to dig |
| 19:44:41 | TheMasterMind1 | BZFlag hey |
| 19:44:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: new ipkg is C |
| 19:44:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: old ipkg is shell |
| 19:44:56 | treke | TheMasterMind1: the originaly ipkg was writn in the bourne shell. now one is c |
| 19:44:58 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 19:45:02 | ljp_work | sahyde: fsck might fix that.. but formatting it would |
| 19:45:05 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 19:45:06 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 19:45:12 | TheMasterMind1 | make-ipkg-index is in python |
| 19:45:27 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: on the later versions of OPIE, if you do a suspend with a CF card inserted, and then do a resume, the card doesn't work, unless you pop it out and in again. however "apm -s" does suspend correctly. |
| 19:45:35 | nasa | Shayde: oh... what fs you using? ext2 or dos? |
| 19:45:44 | SimbaWork | anyone use zaurus to telnet? |
| 19:45:47 | Shayde | i formatted it... hmm. i have /mnt/card/NotAvailable now |
| 19:45:50 | Shayde | not showing up in the df list |
| 19:45:59 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn define "later" |
| 19:46:09 | Shayde | (someone needs to write a util that lets me either ssh into the durned thing in its cradle, or use my PC keyboard remotely :-/ ) |
| 19:46:18 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde ....? |
| 19:46:19 | SimbaWork | anyone use zaurus to telnet to LAN? |
| 19:46:25 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde you can do that.. |
| 19:46:29 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde ssh to it over usb |
| 19:46:29 | Shayde | the: tired of typing on the iddybiddy kb |
| 19:46:30 | umopapisdn | well, around the start of this month I believe. |
| 19:46:32 | Shayde | oh? |
| 19:46:37 | Shayde | does it have sshd on it? |
| 19:46:38 | nasa | Shayde: ssh |
| 19:46:43 | nasa | oz does |
| 19:46:46 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde well, oz does |
| 19:46:56 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: Well, around the start of this month I believe. |
| 19:46:56 | Shayde | en-cradles |
| 19:47:05 | ljp_work | but ya have to watch out for that evil witch |
| 19:47:07 | Shayde | i'm running whatever comes on the most recent version - i just bought it 2 days ago :) |
| 19:47:27 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn hmm, i've never actually had that problem.. i always have problems with my wifi cf and suspend/resume though |
| 19:47:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its fixed in this latest opie |
| 19:47:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sandman committed a change to the suspend/resume behavior |
| 19:47:43 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 19:47:46 | TheMasterMind1 | what was wrong with it? |
| 19:47:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: which changed from calling apm -s to using an ioctl on the device |
| 19:47:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: that change is what broke things on the Z |
| 19:47:59 | TheMasterMind1 | yes.. |
| 19:48:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but i dunno why |
| 19:48:05 | nasa | Shayde: install openssh from the feed |
| 19:48:10 | TheMasterMind1 | yea you told me about that already |
| 19:48:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so we need to dig into it more and talk to sandman about it |
| 19:48:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k, good |
| 19:48:18 | ljp_work | kergoth: didnt he revert that for zaurus device? |
| 19:48:26 | NetAmp | cool, the Zaurus is mentioned here ;) http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/qow/archive/166/index.jsp |
| 19:48:30 | kergoth | ljp_work: i dont believe so |
| 19:48:34 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 19:48:36 | Shayde | wah. no ssh on it now |
| 19:48:38 | Shayde | but i can ping it! |
| 19:48:48 | Shayde | can't telnet into it. |
| 19:48:59 | TheMasterMind1 | you can enable telnetd... |
| 19:49:05 | Shayde | dya know how? |
| 19:49:06 | NetAmp | Any experts on Java Applets in here? I need to write to a file on the server but you have those security restrictions :( |
| 19:49:10 | Shayde | telnet would be fine 8) |
| 19:49:16 | TheMasterMind1 | its some file.. |
| 19:49:18 | TheMasterMind1 | inittab? |
| 19:49:20 | Shayde | heh. |
| 19:49:20 | TheMasterMind1 | something.. |
| 19:49:21 | TheMasterMind1 | don't remember |
| 19:49:24 | TheMasterMind1 | not inittab |
| 19:49:24 | Shayde | oh, normal linux stuff? |
| 19:49:26 | TheMasterMind1 | that doens't make sense |
| 19:49:29 | Shayde | that'd be xinetd |
| 19:49:55 | ljp_work | inted, and if you want to telnet as root, rename securitty |
| 19:50:05 | Shayde | k |
| 19:50:07 | Shayde | sec |
| 19:50:19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm, the wifi doesn't screw up if its a user invoked suspend.. through the qtopia start menu |
| 19:50:20 | ljp_work | or securetty.. but thats very unsafe |
| 19:51:42 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: Did you dig through the hotplug config/script files aswell when you were going through the pcmcia configs? |
| 19:52:24 | Shayde | okay, that's warped. |
| 19:52:26 | Shayde | is telnetted in. |
| 19:52:29 | Shayde | i LOVE THIS THING |
| 19:53:37 | nasa | bbl |
| 19:53:59 | TheMasterMind1 | umopapisdn nope.. |
| 19:54:05 | KallDrexx | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 19:54:06 | TheMasterMind1 | what's wrong with hotplug |
| 19:54:10 | TheMasterMind1 | tell me and i'll see if i can fix it |
| 19:54:12 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx sup |
| 19:54:14 | | ljp_work: huh? |
| 19:54:14 | ljp_work | ibot: nasa+ |
| 19:54:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:54:20 | TheMasterMind1 | need to encode me some movies |
| 19:54:23 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: nothing much, guess what i did all day in shool :) |
| 19:54:26 | ljp_work | ibot: nasa++ |
| 19:54:45 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx what |
| 19:54:55 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: heh was bored during school so i watched LOTR all day |
| 19:55:03 | SimbaWork | I'm trying to hook up Zaurus to LAN via telnet. Can anyone help me? |
| 19:55:21 | umopapisdn | TheMasterMind1: on OZ 2.9.6 USB networking is no longer working, but when I replaced all files in /etc/hotplug with the files from OZ 2.9.5 it worked again. But there seemed to be more than just tweaks to these scripts so I couldn't really locate the problem. |
| 19:55:50 | ljp_work | hmmm.. interesting |
| 19:55:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: probably a consequence of adding the debian patch to hotplug |
| 19:55:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: possibly anyway |
| 19:56:21 | DragonEagle | is away: much earned smoke break |
| 19:57:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:57:04 | TheMasterMind1 | isee |
| 19:57:13 | TheMasterMind1 | so kergoth fucked it up ;D |
| 19:57:18 | umopapisdn | hehe |
| 19:57:43 | kergoth | nah, wembly committed the improvmenets |
| 19:57:48 | kergoth | and it was a good idea, but i shouldve tested it first |
| 20:00:54 | SimbaWork | must i use 192.168.129.201 and 192.168.129.1 as IP? |
| 20:01:05 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:04:44) |
| 20:01:13 | ljp_work | ya.. adding debian to anything's going to break it ;) |
| 20:01:29 | SimbaWork | damn, then how can i hook up my zaurus to the LAN? |
| 20:01:31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:01:36 | TheMasterMind1 | debian > * |
| 20:01:42 | TheMasterMind1 | oz is based on debian |
| 20:01:44 | TheMasterMind1 | and for good reason |
| 20:01:54 | Shayde | i'm showing off telnetting into my PDA here. |
| 20:01:55 | Shayde | dances. |
| 20:02:03 | SimbaWork | shayde, can u help me? |
| 20:02:04 | Shayde | now to figure out why the goddamned perl installer failed so i cna't run p2z :( |
| 20:02:10 | Shayde | simba: i'm a total Z newbie. |
| 20:02:38 | SimbaWork | were u able to hook it up to your LAN? |
| 20:02:54 | Shayde | its in a docking cradle attached to my laptop, which gives it al ocal IP address right now. |
| 20:03:16 | SimbaWork | is your laptop hooked up to a network (LAN)? nah, right? |
| 20:03:48 | SimbaWork | my pc is hooked up to a switch to connect to the server and i wanna use zaurus which is hooked up to my pc to access the server. is this possible? |
| 20:03:57 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:03:59 | TheMasterMind1 | via usb networking |
| 20:04:07 | TheMasterMind1 | and ipmasqing |
| 20:04:07 | SimbaWork | can u help me on that? |
| 20:04:15 | TheMasterMind1 | on windows? |
| 20:04:17 | Shayde | yes, but you'd need routing and most likely some NAT arrangement. |
| 20:04:26 | SimbaWork | server is running linux and pc is running winxppro |
| 20:04:27 | Shayde | simba: better to jsut get a network card for the Z. |
| 20:04:29 | kergoth | grr! |
| 20:04:30 | kergoth | Can't locate object method "go" via package "Bk" at SourceMethod.pm line 53. |
| 20:04:37 | SimbaWork | network card is too exp. |
| 20:04:51 | SimbaWork | it's bad enough i gotta get wireless modem for this. |
| 20:04:58 | TheMasterMind1 | wireless network ++ |
| 20:05:05 | ljp_work | oz is based on familiar.. which is based on debian |
| 20:05:07 | SimbaWork | that's even more $. |
| 20:05:15 | SimbaWork | themastermind1, can u help me set it up? |
| 20:05:18 | kergoth | actually oz is more directly based on debian than familiar, but close enough |
| 20:05:28 | umopapisdn | kergoth: I was just thinking since you're moving OZ to run as non-root, does busybox contain "useradd" & "userdel" or are they separate packages? I'm pondering about doing a GUI for it. |
| 20:05:41 | kergoth | umopapisdn: yep, we have them |
| 20:05:41 | TheMasterMind1 | SimbaWork i dunno anything about winxp |
| 20:05:51 | kergoth | umopapisdn: we need 1) a user managmeent tool, and 2) a su/sudo frontend ala kdesu |
| 20:06:05 | SimbaWork | damn. i feel like wanna cry now. |
| 20:06:16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:06:45 | Shayde | user management tool? |
| 20:06:47 | kergoth | umopapisdn: i'm tempted to grab kdesu and libkdesu and port it |
| 20:06:53 | Shayde | is there a reason to create more than one user? |
| 20:06:55 | kergoth | Shayde: yeah, to add/remove users na dgroups |
| 20:07:00 | kergoth | Shayde: yep, to run opie as a nonroot user |
| 20:07:11 | kergoth | Shayde: to give us some protection from the user rm -rf /'ing their jffs2 flash |
| 20:07:17 | umopapisdn | kergoth: sound like overkill, but why not. :) |
| 20:07:36 | kergoth | umopapisdn: libkdesu would let us port kdessh too ;-) |
| 20:07:40 | Shayde | mmm. okay, i could see that. seems spooky. :) |
| 20:07:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:07:49 | umopapisdn | kergoth: what's kdessh? |
| 20:08:02 | Shayde | i was just thinking about creating a user for me to diddle around in shellstuff, but realized the whole environment runs as root... would be odd. |
| 20:08:02 | kergoth | umopapisdn: ssh client frontend |
| 20:08:18 | kergoth | Shayde: well, we're fixing the permissions on things for it to be usable |
| 20:08:31 | kergoth | Shayde: making the user a member of hte necessary groups to access the various devices and the like |
| 20:08:50 | Shayde | *nodnod* makes sense. |
| 20:09:05 | kergoth | argh |
| 20:09:06 | Shayde | this is all in OZ, right? i'm running the stock environment from Sharp... |
| 20:09:08 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:09:11 | Shayde | is there a major difference? |
| 20:09:12 | Cloudchaser | is usbdnet a patch to usbnet? |
| 20:09:18 | Cloudchaser | or something differnet altogether |
| 20:09:19 | kergoth | oz 2.9.7 will ship with opie running as a nonroot user |
| 20:09:31 | kergoth | and most likely with 2.4.7 kernel + 2.4.19 jffs2 code |
| 20:09:53 | Shayde | sorry for the idjit newbie questions. opie is the Qtopia front end? |
| 20:10:01 | kergoth | opie is a code fork of qtopia |
| 20:10:01 | | darienm: what? |
| 20:10:01 | darienm | ibot give Shayde oz faq |
| 20:10:07 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 20:10:07 | darienm | ibot oz faq |
| 20:10:08 | Shayde | okay. |
| 20:10:11 | | i guess openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 20:10:11 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus |
| 20:10:12 | | darienm: what? |
| 20:10:12 | darienm | ibot ozfaq |
| 20:10:13 | treke | kergoth: probably ought to make the home directory remain /home/root for broken applications |
| 20:10:13 | | rumour has it opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation |
| 20:10:13 | kergoth | ibot: opie |
| 20:10:32 | Shayde | gotcha. |
| 20:10:33 | kergoth | treke: hmm thats an idea, point the /home/root symlink to whatever the current $HOME is |
| 20:10:36 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 20:10:43 | kergoth | treke: eh? |
| 20:10:48 | Shayde | at some point i'll probably hafl to switch to that, huh? :) is sharp actively updating the zaurus platform now? |
| 20:11:04 | umopapisdn | kergoth: talking about kde and ssh, happen to know why fish:// doesn't work with the OZ? |
| 20:11:10 | kergoth | Shayde: i havent seen much development on that front, I expect oz+opie to pass the sharp rom by soon |
| 20:11:20 | Shayde | hmm. i did an 'ipkg install brickout.ipkg' and it completed, but i don't see it on the desktop. do i need to nudge qtopia to update? |
| 20:11:21 | kergoth | umopapisdn: hmm, havent tested it.. does it use scp or sftp? |
| 20:11:32 | treke | kergoth: sounds like a good idea. There are probably too many apps that assume that the home directory is root |
| 20:11:32 | kergoth | Shayde: yep, restat qtopia or send it the qcop call |
| 20:11:41 | sjohnson | is away: cantankerous web server |
| 20:11:46 | Shayde | kerg: gotcha. very nice. i'm not really sure what sharp's position on the zaurus platform is. i was a little thrown by Best Buy dconning it. :( |
| 20:11:55 | Shayde | mm,m whats the qcop call? |
| 20:12:01 | kergoth | treke: yeah. i wonder if opie-login calls opie directly.. if not, we'll have to have it call a script with which we adjust the link |
| 20:12:06 | Shayde | eg, can i do it from the command line? |
| 20:12:10 | kergoth | treke: s/if not/if/; |
| 20:12:10 | Shayde | since i'm telneted in :) |
| 20:12:19 | umopapisdn | kergoth: I belive it just uses ssh and sends bash or perl commands on the other end, and.... ah... that's probably why... bash isn't standard on OZ.... :) |
| 20:12:24 | kergoth | Shayde: '/opt/Qtopia/bin/qcop [args]' |
| 20:12:31 | kergoth | Shayde: i dont recall which qcop call it is though |
| 20:12:34 | Shayde | yah, i know :) |
| 20:12:35 | Shayde | heh. *nod* |
| 20:12:46 | Shayde | [root@localhost]~# type qcop |
| 20:12:46 | Shayde | qcop is hashed (/home/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop) |
| 20:12:47 | kergoth | umopapisdn: even so, it should use /bin/sh, not /bin/bash, for sanity, imho |
| 20:13:00 | umopapisdn | kergoth: true... |
| 20:13:10 | Shayde | restarts. |
| 20:13:13 | kergoth | umopapisdn: well, i'll dig into it if i have a chance |
| 20:13:16 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:01:35) |
| 20:13:28 | kergoth | umopapisdn: first i'm going to hurry up with the 2.9.7 release and fix the feeds, users are getting impatient and frustrated |
| 20:13:57 | umopapisdn | kergoth: it's not that important though. I'll see if i can dig into it instead. You seem to have your hands full anyway. :) |
| 20:14:07 | Shayde | eeeeeeeee |
| 20:14:12 | Shayde | i have an app without an icon :( |
| 20:14:19 | Shayde | i suspect it was on the SD card when i reformatted it :( |
| 20:14:33 | kergoth | Can't locate object method "go" via package "Bk" at SourceMethod.pm line 53. |
| 20:14:46 | kergoth | grr! |
| 20:14:46 | kergoth | beats something |
| 20:14:47 | Dr_Who | kergoth: FYI ... looks like you've got some syntax error in / around fileutils.mk ... |
| 20:14:49 | SimbaWork | I'm trying to hook up Zaurus to LAN via telnet. Can anyone help me? |
| 20:14:58 | kergoth | Dr_Who: k, i'll take a look |
| 20:14:59 | Dr_Who | that's from CVS about day / two days ago |
| 20:15:10 | kergoth | Dr_Who: i havent built fileutils in some time, since we're using busybox |
| 20:15:16 | kergoth | Dr_Who: so it suffers from bitrot |
| 20:15:17 | Dr_Who | I suspect it's probably in the generic stuff ... |
| 20:15:22 | Dr_Who | ah.... gotcha |
| 20:15:29 | kergoth | plus the buildroot hates me right now |
| 20:15:34 | SimbaWork | how can my zaurus telnet to the server over a switch? |
| 20:15:42 | kergoth | i'm rewriting the source and sourcetree obtain and extraction methods to perl |
| 20:15:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:15:54 | kergoth | SimbaWork: the same way you telnet anywhere else |
| 20:16:05 | SimbaWork | kergoth but it's not working. |
| 20:16:29 | kergoth | SimbaWork: then theres a problem with your network, has nothing to do with the fact that you're on a switch |
| 20:16:30 | SimbaWork | my local ip starts with 128.223 but zaurus seems to support only 192.168.*.* |
| 20:16:33 | Dr_Who | yup gotta be in the generic stuff ... grep.mk has the same prob |
| 20:16:57 | kergoth | Dr_Who: yeah, they're using the old style template, i never converted them over to the new format |
| 20:17:07 | Dr_Who | I'm just building j_ramdom_stuff for powerpc ... so well you know me ... finding trouble |
| 20:17:08 | kergoth | Dr_Who: i'll take a look tonight when i'm done revamping the templates and methods |
| 20:17:14 | kergoth | Dr_Who: hehe |
| 20:17:28 | SimbaWork | what does this service feature in zaurus do? run a telnet server? |
| 20:18:31 | kergoth | so, |
| 20:18:36 | kergoth | SimbaWork: 'service feature'? |
| 20:18:46 | kergoth | anyone good at perl in here? i need an opinion |
| 20:19:09 | Shayde | i wouldn't say 'good' |
| 20:19:11 | Shayde | i can manage it. sup? |
| 20:19:17 | SimbaWork | network and sync > service. what's that for? |
| 20:19:55 | Shayde | hmm. what is opie-sh ? just a shell? |
| 20:20:44 | kergoth | Shayde: $test = new SourceMethod(); $test->initialize(); .. in initialize, it blesses a reference to be a 'Bk' object, and has done a 'require Bk.pm;' to load it, but it reports Can't locate object method "go" via package "Bk" at SourceMethod.pm line 52., when i attempt to utilize it.. |
| 20:21:05 | kergoth | Shayde: opie-sh is like dialog, only for creating opie windows |
| 20:21:18 | kergoth | Shayde: so you can do opie frontends via a shell script |
| 20:21:24 | SimbaWork | damn, no one use zaurus for LAN in here? |
| 20:21:32 | kergoth | SimbaWork: of course i do |
| 20:21:35 | kergoth | SimbaWork: works great |
| 20:21:53 | W|GG-Laptop | . |
| 20:21:57 | SimbaWork | but u said u don't know about winxp, right? |
| 20:21:59 | kergoth | SimbaWork: service is how you set up the tcp/ip config for a wlan card and th elike |
| 20:21:59 | W|GG-Laptop | hello? |
| 20:22:04 | kergoth | SimbaWork: i know xp, and 2k, and unix |
| 20:22:17 | SimbaWork | kergoth, help me!!! |
| 20:22:39 | SimbaWork | i wanna access my linux server from zaurus that's connected to my winxp pc. |
| 20:22:49 | Shayde | kerg: my perl expertise is not very high in the OOP methodology. |
| 20:22:52 | Shayde | sorry :( |
| 20:23:13 | | fusion94 was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 28 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: JasonNJ: good morning [Fri Sep 13 15:54:34 2002] |
| 20:23:13 | BigBoss | ibot seen fusion94 |
| 20:23:22 | BigBoss | sugar make me a drink |
| 20:23:48 | SimbaWork | damn, i'm alreadyworking overtime w/out making more money for doing this crap. help me out, kergoth. |
| 20:24:03 | SimbaWork | kergoth, make me go home. kekekeke |
| 20:24:15 | Shayde | okay, i'm off folks. thanks for all the help. |
| 20:25:28 | kergoth | SimbaWork: do you have basic network connectivity? can you ping the Z from xp? |
| 20:25:56 | SimbaWork | kergoth, yes! |
| 20:26:21 | SimbaWork | i can ping 192.168.129.201 and 192.168.129.1 from my winxp pc. |
| 20:27:17 | kergoth | SimbaWork: whats your ip scheme on your lan? |
| 20:27:20 | kergoth | hey Harlekin |
| 20:27:37 | SimbaWork | switch is 128.223.3.1 |
| 20:27:43 | SimbaWork | linux server is 128.223.2.3 |
| 20:27:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:27:54 | SimbaWork | my winxp's ip is 128.223.3.3 |
| 20:27:56 | kergoth | well ics wont work unless your scheme is 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 20:28:03 | kergoth | so you'll need a seperate app to do it |
| 20:28:11 | SimbaWork | separate app such as? |
| 20:28:16 | kergoth | get something like WinProxy for example, or WinGate, or any number of other proxying applications |
| 20:28:25 | SimbaWork | and install that in winxp? |
| 20:28:29 | kergoth | you can enable just forwarding between the interfaces, but without NAT things wont be happy |
| 20:28:33 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:28:34 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 20:28:36 | Harlekin | hi kergoth |
| 20:28:55 | Harlekin | man, people on /. are soo stupid |
| 20:29:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:29:04 | Harlekin | is it sooo hard to read an artikle right? |
| 20:29:07 | kergoth | no kidding, what else is new |
| 20:29:28 | SimbaWork | if i go get wingate now, can u still help me? |
| 20:29:30 | Harlekin | What about a port of Evolution? (Score:1) |
| 20:29:32 | Harlekin | " " |
| 20:29:34 | treke | which article is this? |
| 20:29:37 | Harlekin | that was the best one |
| 20:29:48 | Harlekin | treke: kroupware |
| 20:30:11 | treke | ah. that sounded rather interesting |
| 20:30:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:30:38 | TheMasterMind1 | i miss anything/ |
| 20:31:13 | Harlekin | treke: "It's too bad that they're spending money on redevelopment here. Desktop holy war considerations aside, it would be nice to see their efforts go to extending Evolution's *existing* interoperability with their target systems. " |
| 20:31:18 | Harlekin | treke: 0 brainer |
| 20:31:29 | SimbaWork | kergoth, while I DL, can uhelp me how to configure WinGate? |
| 20:32:12 | treke | Harlekin: hehe |
| 20:32:24 | Harlekin | but good answer |
| 20:32:36 | treke | looks forwarding to seeing the finished product, although it wont do me much good :) |
| 20:32:37 | Harlekin | Not Evolution, it's the server side (Score:3, Insightful) |
| 20:32:45 | Harlekin | treke: why |
| 20:33:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:33:49 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone seen kissing jessica stein? |
| 20:34:33 | treke | Harlekin: I'd like to see more apps that connect to Exchange. Like I said, I'd like to see a nice open groupware system though |
| 20:35:30 | Harlekin | treke: outlook _can_ connect to kroupware |
| 20:35:41 | Harlekin | since kroupware is a full exchange substitute .-) |
| 20:36:15 | kergoth | Harlekin: i was thinking about porting kdesu/libkdesu to opie ;-) |
| 20:36:20 | treke | hehe. Well I just dont want to use Outlook :) I dont care as much whats ont he server |
| 20:37:38 | Harlekin | kergoth: might be overkill |
| 20:38:12 | kergoth | Harlekin: true, but then we could do opiessh too ;-) |
| 20:38:30 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 20:38:39 | Harlekin | kergoth: opie-fish |
| 20:38:40 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:38:57 | treke | well there's always qpe-tux that you could port :) |
| 20:39:16 | Harlekin | treke: ? |
| 20:39:17 | kergoth | Harlekin: hehe |
| 20:39:29 | Harlekin | treke: do you know what kio-fish is? |
| 20:39:33 | kergoth | kio-fish rocks |
| 20:39:36 | Harlekin | *g* |
| 20:39:45 | treke | Harlekin: I reckon I'm confusing it with something else :) |
| 20:39:49 | treke | doesnt know kde very well |
| 20:39:57 | Harlekin | treke: its like kio-ftp |
| 20:40:03 | Harlekin | just not ftp protocol but ssh |
| 20:40:06 | Harlekin | ssh/scp |
| 20:40:20 | treke | ah. |
| 20:40:24 | kergoth | Harlekin: how does it obtain the list of files? ssh, or scp? |
| 20:40:39 | Harlekin | kergoth: i think fish is actually extra code |
| 20:40:54 | treke | as I said, not too up to date on kde :) |
| 20:41:13 | Harlekin | treke: but if you want to do a taskbar fishtank |
| 20:41:16 | Harlekin | go ahead |
| 20:41:21 | Harlekin | i am sure some will want it |
| 20:41:26 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:41:29 | treke | cant imagine why |
| 20:41:30 | treke | :) |
| 20:41:54 | Harlekin | it will sure get the "most usefull app of the month" award |
| 20:41:59 | Bala | wouldnt they be really tiny fish? |
| 20:42:04 | Microdim | qtopia desktop can install applications right? |
| 20:42:05 | Harlekin | directly after the swimsuite calendars |
| 20:43:04 | treke | nothing better on a low resolution pda than using half your screen space on low resolution images! |
| 20:43:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:43:20 | kergoth | shit, i'm stuck on a perl problem |
| 20:43:23 | kergoth | argh, what am i doing wrong |
| 20:43:32 | Harlekin | i am stuck an a massive signal problem |
| 20:43:37 | kergoth | fun |
| 20:43:56 | Harlekin | anybody wants to write a plugin for today? Somebody wanted to do a birthday monitor i heard |
| 20:44:38 | kergoth | yeah, and I wanted a quote of the day / fortune thingy |
| 20:44:40 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:44:58 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 20:46:20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:46:25 | TheMasterMind1 | wants 2.4.18 for his Z |
| 20:46:54 | SimbaWork | damn, kergoth is out! |
| 20:46:57 | SimbaWork | argh |
| 20:47:09 | SimbaWork | can anyone help me how to connect my zaurus to LAN? |
| 20:48:17 | BigBoss | first you must firmly grasp the LAN |
| 20:48:23 | BigBoss | then oil your body |
| 20:48:36 | kergoth | SimbaWork: i'm out? |
| 20:48:39 | BigBoss | run the zaurus through the oil and connect it in your firmly grasped LAN |
| 20:48:39 | kergoth | SimbaWork: i didnt think i was out |
| 20:48:41 | SimbaWork | yeah! |
| 20:48:59 | kergoth | SimbaWork: dont forget to find a goat, and sacrifice it while screaming "oh great googli moogli", as ljp would say |
| 20:49:06 | SimbaWork | kergoth, i just installed wingate |
| 20:49:32 | numatrix | hey anselor; just in time to see me leave. ;-) |
| 20:49:33 | numatrix | is back (gone 24:10:06) |
| 20:49:39 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 20:49:39 | anselor | heh |
| 20:49:40 | treke | thinks BigBoss has had enough to drink for the day |
| 20:51:28 | BigBoss | hey a drink sounds like a good idea - I'm burnt out for the day |
| 20:51:41 | BigBoss | boy I just got one of these Xerox 6200 laser color printers and it's freaking HUGE |
| 20:52:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hows that perl coming |
| 20:52:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm hung up on a weird problem |
| 20:52:46 | | feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 20:52:46 | Microdim | ibot: feeds |
| 20:52:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no one in #perl could help either |
| 20:53:01 | SimbaWork | since kergoth is in bad mood, he won't help me. damn. |
| 20:53:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth and the problem is../ |
| 20:53:16 | kergoth | SimbaWork: i dont recall the configuration for wingate off the top of my head man |
| 20:53:29 | SimbaWork | in the options, it asks for nameserver. |
| 20:53:32 | SimbaWork | which ip do i put in there? |
| 20:53:34 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you probalby ahve to set the proxy configuration on the Z after starting up wingate |
| 20:53:40 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you put the ip of your... *nameserver* |
| 20:53:51 | kergoth | surprisingly enough |
| 20:53:56 | TheMasterMind1 | eh/ |
| 20:53:58 | SimbaWork | i don't know which is the nameserver. my winxp ip, my linux server ip? my switch ip? |
| 20:53:58 | TheMasterMind1 | nameserver?! |
| 20:54:09 | kergoth | SimbaWork: your *NAMESERVER*'s ip |
| 20:54:11 | TheMasterMind1 | your switch has an ip.. |
| 20:54:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 20:54:19 | SimbaWork | oops, i meant the router |
| 20:54:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:54:26 | kergoth | SimbaWork: the dns information you got from your isp |
| 20:54:29 | TheMasterMind1 | my switch has an ip too |
| 20:54:30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:54:34 | TheMasterMind1 | the one at school anyway |
| 20:54:38 | TheMasterMind1 | its a cisco catalyst |
| 20:54:43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth whats' the perl problem? |
| 20:54:46 | SimbaWork | kergoth, let me look that up. |
| 20:55:03 | kergoth | SimbaWork: 'ipconfig /all' in a command line is your friend |
| 20:55:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://dragon.cbi.tamucc.edu:8080/4 |
| 20:55:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats the code. |
| 20:55:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i have a bit of code that works when used from a perl script, but not when used from within a function of a class |
| 20:55:37 | kergoth | which is fucking weird |
| 20:55:51 | W|GG-Laptop | finally got this wifi card to work in linux with my notebook |
| 20:55:52 | SimbaWork | kergoth, i got that address. put that under name server in wingate? |
| 20:55:56 | kergoth | SimbaWork: yep |
| 20:56:02 | W|GG-Laptop | can't use WEP tho |
| 20:56:21 | TheMasterMind1 | W|GG-Laptop what card? |
| 20:56:25 | SimbaWork | wait, if i dind't have an ISP, how wouldi do it then? |
| 20:56:41 | SimbaWork | assuming everything is running local, what do i put as the nameserver? |
| 20:56:48 | W|GG-Laptop | linksys wpc11 |
| 20:56:50 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you'd leave the box empty, and you'd have to reference things by ip only, not by name |
| 20:57:01 | Ksd | how can i convert the audiobitrate of a mp3? |
| 20:57:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Ksd hey.. |
| 20:57:15 | TheMasterMind1 | ksd we need another program.. |
| 20:57:19 | SimbaWork | i don't understand why i need my isp's dns info when i just want to access the LAN. |
| 20:57:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Ksd for the mplayer thing |
| 20:57:27 | darwin | SimbaWork: doesn't wingate normally run NAT and a DHCP server? |
| 20:57:29 | TheMasterMind1 | something that makes a fullscreen black background |
| 20:57:31 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you dont. leave it blank then. |
| 20:57:33 | TheMasterMind1 | so we can run player on top of it |
| 20:57:38 | TheMasterMind1 | and not have stuff screw it u |
| 20:57:39 | TheMasterMind1 | p |
| 20:57:41 | kergoth | darwin: not nat specifically, iirc it proxies |
| 20:57:44 | SimbaWork | darwin, i just installed wingate. no clue. |
| 20:57:45 | TheMasterMind1 | like the clock etc |
| 20:57:46 | kergoth | darwin: but it does run a dns proxy |
| 20:57:53 | SimbaWork | kergoth, ok i'll leave it blank. what do i do next? |
| 20:58:03 | kergoth | SimbaWork: ? i dont have it in front of me |
| 20:58:07 | kergoth | SimbaWork: set up the proxy config on your Z |
| 20:58:08 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1:i can use a fullscreen widget with black background |
| 20:58:11 | TheMasterMind1 | this isn't techsupport.. |
| 20:58:15 | TheMasterMind1 | read the docs |
| 20:58:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sure seems like tech support most of the time |
| 20:58:40 | darwin | I am pretty sure the last time I installed wingate it was using NAT, I didn't have to set up proxy config, it may have been something else though |
| 20:58:43 | TheMasterMind1 | Ksd ok, that'd be cool.. we need it to run before mplayer and then like somehow die after mplayer is done |
| 20:58:49 | SimbaWork | no proxies? auto configure proxies or set proxies? |
| 20:58:54 | TheMasterMind1 | and if, when it dies, it ran the mplayer refresh code, that'd be cool |
| 20:59:17 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate people who require you to hold their hand |
| 20:59:31 | SimbaWork | kergoth, i went to network & sync > services > proxies then it asks for no proxies, auto configure proxies, and set proxies |
| 20:59:34 | TheMasterMind1 | and tell you exactly what coordinates to move their mouse to |
| 20:59:43 | TheMasterMind1 | s/you/them |
| 21:00:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i dont' see any code at that site |
| 21:03:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, its there. http://dragon.cbi.tamucc.edu:8080/4 |
| 21:03:13 | SimbaWork | kergoth, how do i setup the proxy in Z? |
| 21:03:21 | kergoth | SimbaWork: 'how'? |
| 21:03:26 | kergoth | SimbaWork: i dont understand the question |
| 21:03:36 | kergoth | SimbaWork: you enter the ip of your desktop in the appropriate boxes in the proxy config |
| 21:03:41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth comes up blank in galeon.. |
| 21:04:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah, paste might've expired.. ah well |
| 21:04:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its fuckign weird, trust me on that |
| 21:04:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:05:31 | SimbaWork | kergoth, where do i do that? i went to network & sync > proxies |
| 21:06:06 | kergoth | SimbaWork: yeah, thats where you do it |
| 21:06:18 | TheMasterMind1 | blargh |
| 21:08:10 | br33zy | hey guys, I still havent gotten a confirmation on the Zaurus Dev Contest, I even sent them another email about it, still nothing... :( .. any IdEaS? |
| 21:08:23 | TheMasterMind1 | they're ripping you off |
| 21:09:24 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: i coded the black fullscreen widget |
| 21:09:57 | darienm|away | br33zy: all the sharp folks are at a conference/tradeshow until the 16th or 18th |
| 21:10:19 | darienm|away | moooooooooooooooo |
| 21:10:35 | TheMasterMind1 | Ksd cool.. any ideas on how to kill it? |
| 21:10:37 | TheMasterMind1 | after mplayer is done |
| 21:10:43 | TheMasterMind1 | just killall ? |
| 21:10:47 | TheMasterMind1 | or is there a better way |
| 21:11:00 | treke | hehe, forgot I had br33zy ignored all this time :) |
| 21:11:02 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: i can run mplayer in my app |
| 21:11:32 | TheMasterMind1 | Ksd hmm, the problem with that is it needs special arguements |
| 21:11:35 | TheMasterMind1 | and gives output and all |
| 21:11:42 | br33zy | darienm|away: oh... cool, thanks.. moo!! |
| 21:11:43 | TheMasterMind1 | users want to be able to config the arguements |
| 21:11:44 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 21:12:07 | darienm|away | br33zy: I know of only ONE developer who received a Zaurus as an after-effect of the challenge. |
| 21:12:33 | darienm|away | br33zy: by that, I mean he ACTUALLY received it physically. |
| 21:12:35 | treke | darienm|away: did ericd get his? |
| 21:12:37 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: they can config the arguments |
| 21:12:45 | darienm|away | treke: no, we didn't get ours yet. |
| 21:12:53 | mutexer | anyone sending in their app for the challenge after today? |
| 21:12:58 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: you can pass the arguments to zplayer |
| 21:13:02 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:13:08 | TheMasterMind1 | it can work i guess |
| 21:13:10 | darienm|away | mutexer: EVERYONE is sending in their app after today. |
| 21:13:20 | mutexer | Sharp told me to send it today |
| 21:13:24 | TheMasterMind1 | you'd have to take system()'s output and send it to the screen |
| 21:13:25 | darienm|away | mutexer: No sharp reps will be at their email until the 16th or 17th |
| 21:13:35 | mutexer | I emailed them cause I wasnt gonna be done by today |
| 21:13:44 | mutexer | they said "try your best to get it here today" |
| 21:13:54 | mutexer | so its cool if it is sent monday then? |
| 21:14:06 | darienm|away | mutexer: the 16th. |
| 21:14:11 | treke | doesnt get that. No one has Zaurus's to actually try their apps on |
| 21:14:19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:14:27 | TheMasterMind1 | use the fb thing |
| 21:14:30 | darienm|away | treke: yeah - that's erikd's argument also |
| 21:14:34 | mutexer | 16th is monday..thats when it needs to be in? |
| 21:14:38 | TheMasterMind1 | is very annoyed |
| 21:14:48 | darienm|away | mutexer: That's OUR target deadline. |
| 21:15:00 | treke | darienm|away: for something like your app, that isnt necesarrily a huge deal. But for some apps the performance hit could be big |
| 21:15:04 | mutexer | k..I should be done by then too |
| 21:15:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth any progress? |
| 21:16:02 | TheMasterMind1 | time to bitchsmack perl oo |
| 21:16:22 | darienm|away | treke: our app uses sqlite and a custom graphing widget -- it could generate a few cycles if heavily used. |
| 21:16:28 | treke | ah |
| 21:16:55 | darienm|away | treke: the graph has no upper limit to how many plots might be displayed -- it just keeps scrolling...... |
| 21:17:18 | mutexer | treke: I got my zaurus |
| 21:17:22 | darienm|away | treke: I can see where that might eat "video" buffer.. |
| 21:17:34 | treke | so mutexer and VerxHome both got Z's |
| 21:17:36 | darienm|away | mutexer: WHEN ? |
| 21:17:41 | mutexer | 2 other people I know did too |
| 21:17:46 | darienm|away | And TeaX got his also |
| 21:17:55 | mutexer | like 2-3 weeks ago |
| 21:18:11 | mutexer | around the 28th |
| 21:19:29 | TheMasterMind1 | wants a z... |
| 21:19:33 | kergoth | whew |
| 21:19:37 | kergoth | found the issue with my perl methods |
| 21:20:40 | TheMasterMind1 | wha twas it |
| 21:20:45 | treke | oh well, I'm sure you all will get your Zs eventually |
| 21:21:30 | TheMasterMind1 | grumbles |
| 21:22:48 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone signup for the developers contest and not planning on participating :D |
| 21:22:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 21:23:17 | darienm|away | contest? |
| 21:23:33 | kergoth | i think he means the challenge |
| 21:23:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth was was the issue? |
| 21:23:57 | darienm|away | runs out the door. |
| 21:24:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: scope |
| 21:24:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i was setting a variable in the wrong place, and it wasnt set within the scope of my package |
| 21:25:11 | Plummer | hi all |
| 21:25:30 | Plummer | I have a question. Is tere some kind of emulator for Z? |
| 21:27:14 | TheMasterMind1 | Plummer ? |
| 21:27:29 | kergoth | Plummer: you mean to run Z apps on the desktop? |
| 21:27:40 | kergoth | Plummer: not persay, but you can compile them for x86 and run them on the qt virtual framebuffer |
| 21:27:55 | Plummer | kind of, but also to test handwriting support etc |
| 21:27:58 | kolla | yawns.. geh.. it's late now |
| 21:28:24 | kolla | Plummer: download the qte demo from troll |
| 21:28:30 | kolla | it boots on a PC |
| 21:28:54 | Plummer | this one? qt-embedded-free-3.0.5.tar.bz2 |
| 21:29:09 | Plummer | but is there a way not to *boot* but to run it under X? |
| 21:29:33 | kergoth | Plummer: thats what we're talking about. |
| 21:30:09 | kolla | we are? |
| 21:30:21 | kolla | the demo at troll is a floppy that you boot the pc from |
| 21:30:21 | kergoth | Plummer: the qt virtual framebuffer runs in X |
| 21:30:26 | kergoth | oh *that* demo |
| 21:30:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:30:42 | kolla | maybe that's an old one? :) |
| 21:31:08 | kergoth | man, i've got a lot to do tonight, and thats assuming I dont go out and get wasted |
| 21:31:22 | kergoth | if i do, i'm not going to get nearly as much done |
| 21:31:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:31:24 | Plummer | how do people develop opie? with qte? |
| 21:31:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what do you have to do ? |
| 21:31:33 | kergoth | Plummer: opie uses qt/e |
| 21:31:37 | kergoth | Plummer: just like qtopia does |
| 21:31:47 | TheMasterMind1 | man |
| 21:31:50 | TheMasterMind1 | nfs mounting takes FOREVER |
| 21:31:51 | kergoth | Plummer: and you can compile opie or qtopia for x86, and run them using the x86 qt/e and the qt virtual framebuffer |
| 21:31:52 | TheMasterMind1 | from the Z |
| 21:32:07 | Plummer | kergoth: excellent, that's what I need |
| 21:32:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 1) finish new method scripts, 2) rewrite method template, 3) switch to 2 feeds, 4) clean up the nonroot stuff, work on a opie su/sudo frontend, 5) kernel. |
| 21:32:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and thats just off the top of my head ;-) |
| 21:32:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:33:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i need something to do |
| 21:33:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to work on the kernel |
| 21:33:14 | kergoth | well, you dont have a serial cable, so you're limited atm |
| 21:33:32 | kergoth | since the console code in 2.5.latest doesnt have rotation yet, and I never bothered to clean up the keyboard driver and test it |
| 21:34:00 | kolla | kergoth: you forgot "compile pppd" |
| 21:34:14 | kergoth | kolla: and fix fileutils and grep and nano builds |
| 21:34:20 | kergoth | kolla: and fix hotplug brokenness |
| 21:34:28 | kergoth | kolla: and test usb networking again in 2.4.7 |
| 21:34:30 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 21:34:46 | kolla | and "look at affix" |
| 21:34:49 | kolla | :) |
| 21:34:49 | kergoth | and bluez |
| 21:35:01 | kergoth | i need 64 hour days |
| 21:35:33 | kolla | wonder how qtopia2.0 is shaping up |
| 21:35:35 | | somebody said openzaurus was a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 21:35:35 | Microdim | ibot: openzaurus |
| 21:35:48 | kergoth | kolla: they're merging qtopia 1.6 improvements into opie already |
| 21:36:36 | kolla | yes |
| 21:36:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:36:46 | TheMasterMind1 | the opie cvs won't update .. |
| 21:36:47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:37:22 | kolla | "New, improved MediaPlayer" in 1.6, is this opē or? |
| 21:37:45 | kergoth | kolla: no, just improvements to the mediaplyer |
| 21:37:53 | kolla | ok |
| 21:37:55 | kergoth | kolla: iirc the opie folks took some of the skinning ability from it |
| 21:38:30 | Harlekin | kergoth: .-) |
| 21:38:31 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 21:38:32 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 21:38:45 | Harlekin | kergoth: we traded it in for our pim api |
| 21:39:15 | Harlekin | kergoth: qtopia 2 beginning next year, qt2 |
| 21:39:47 | Harlekin | kolla: qtopia 2 beginning next year, qt2 (ment you) |
| 21:40:34 | kolla | yes, I read that |
| 21:40:44 | SimbaWork | . |
| 21:40:44 | Harlekin | kolla: and pretty sure never on 5500 |
| 21:41:07 | kergoth | beats perl into submission |
| 21:41:21 | kolla | I know a guy who used to work for troll.. he tested qt for portability issues on my netbsd amiga waay back :) |
| 21:41:39 | kolla | Harlekin: what do you mean? |
| 21:41:47 | kolla | Xscale only? |
| 21:42:08 | kergoth | kolla: we doubt sharp will do much for major improvements on the 5500, given their QA processes.. |
| 21:42:09 | TheMasterMind1 | oooh |
| 21:42:10 | Harlekin | no, then it would be on qt3 ,-) |
| 21:42:11 | TheMasterMind1 | movie over nfs |
| 21:42:13 | TheMasterMind1 | plays nicely |
| 21:42:17 | TheMasterMind1 | too bad i need the power cable still |
| 21:42:17 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:42:34 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: no fusion cell with you? |
| 21:42:35 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:42:38 | kolla | no wonder, linux on pda is dead end geek toy :) |
| 21:42:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:42:48 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer++ |
| 21:43:00 | kergoth | kolla: ? |
| 21:43:00 | TheMasterMind1 | wishes mplayer was a hot chick.. |
| 21:43:07 | kolla | kergoth: never mind :) |
| 21:43:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:43:14 | oGMo | fires kolla |
| 21:43:15 | TheMasterMind1 | jacks up the volume and brightness |
| 21:44:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:44:30 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you control volume in mplayer again? |
| 21:44:55 | mutexer | mplayer can play a hot chick |
| 21:45:07 | TheMasterMind1 | mutexer heh |
| 21:45:17 | TheMasterMind1 | gmplayer is MPlayer with a graphical user interface. It has the same options as MPlayer. |
| 21:45:18 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:45:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: iirc gmplayer is gtk, dont even think about porting it ;-) |
| 21:46:10 | TheMasterMind1 | yes i know |
| 21:46:11 | kolla | reboots his z once again |
| 21:46:19 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't need to be ported |
| 21:46:22 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer runs great |
| 21:46:24 | kolla | cannot umount.. device busy .. yada yada |
| 21:46:30 | TheMasterMind1 | just need maybe an interface |
| 21:46:32 | TheMasterMind1 | that will run it |
| 21:46:35 | kolla | and there it hangs again |
| 21:46:40 | kolla | stable my ass :) |
| 21:46:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kolla it hates you |
| 21:46:53 | mutexer | no one has gtk working on the Z? |
| 21:46:53 | TheMasterMind1 | use tjhsst.edu/~agupta/initrd.bin-2.9.9 |
| 21:47:24 | kolla | TheMasterMind1: nah, it's just being silly :) |
| 21:47:34 | TheMasterMind1 | mutexer heh |
| 21:47:37 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid question |
| 21:47:44 | TheMasterMind1 | you deserve to be shot |
| 21:47:51 | mutexer | why is it stupid? |
| 21:48:04 | treke | mutexer: gtk works fine. Just install X |
| 21:48:12 | oGMo | gtk/e |
| 21:48:24 | kolla | mutexer: use a PC instead |
| 21:48:26 | kergoth | oGMo: ew |
| 21:48:34 | mutexer | I figured that...which is why I was puzzled by "Dont try porting it" |
| 21:48:47 | oGMo | kergoth: sometimes i think that's what the e stands for |
| 21:48:52 | kergoth | oGMo: hah |
| 21:48:53 | kolla | leave it alone |
| 21:49:02 | mutexer | I didnt say "I want gtk on the Z" |
| 21:49:19 | kolla | why would anyone in their right minds want gtk on anything? :) |
| 21:49:23 | oGMo | although there's some decent gtk software, sylpheed for instance |
| 21:49:40 | mutexer | I only use two gtk apps..they are necessary |
| 21:49:54 | mutexer | err.. 4 apps now that I think about it |
| 21:49:56 | TheMasterMind1 | mutexer you can install qpe |
| 21:49:58 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 21:49:58 | TheMasterMind1 | gpe |
| 21:49:59 | treke | uses 3 |
| 21:50:02 | TheMasterMind1 | its gnome based |
| 21:50:05 | TheMasterMind1 | qpe is qt based |
| 21:50:08 | treke | xmms,gaim, and galeon :) |
| 21:50:09 | Bala | i want motif/e .. somebody port it. :) |
| 21:50:11 | oGMo | oh, and rox, which rocks, and gkrellm and xmms... |
| 21:50:20 | kolla | openview/e |
| 21:50:21 | mutexer | hmm..thats 5 for me |
| 21:50:24 | TheMasterMind1 | oGMo xmms was ported |
| 21:50:26 | oGMo | and xemacs... |
| 21:50:34 | mutexer | xmms, gftp, xchat, and gnometoaster |
| 21:50:34 | TheMasterMind1 | emacs. bah! |
| 21:50:38 | TheMasterMind1 | vim owns |
| 21:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | gaim! |
| 21:50:51 | mutexer | and evolution |
| 21:50:53 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: well i mean generally here, i know bout the port tho |
| 21:50:57 | kolla | emacs is no can do on zaurus.. it will be just be fns |
| 21:51:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:51:11 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm off to watch my movie on my Z |
| 21:51:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heheheheheh |
| 21:51:14 | oGMo | emacs would work on the z |
| 21:51:15 | TheMasterMind1 | over wireless |
| 21:51:32 | kolla | fs |
| 21:51:40 | kolla | Fn Shift |
| 21:51:47 | oGMo | movies on the z are a lot sillier, and people who i won't name names use it to watch those |
| 21:52:00 | kolla | no Esc, Meta, Alt or Ctrl |
| 21:52:03 | oGMo | points at TheMasterMind1 for no reason at all and runs |
| 21:52:25 | oGMo | er there's esc and ctrl |
| 21:52:38 | oGMo | not sure about meta, but meta = alt |
| 21:52:41 | mutexer | have you noticed the bug in the retail text editor? |
| 21:53:09 | kolla | ofcourse you can use esc=ctrl+3=fn+shift+fn+e, but it's kinda grokky |
| 21:53:19 | oGMo | never really use it, it sucks, what is it though? |
| 21:53:26 | kolla | oGMo: you think there is an alt? |
| 21:53:29 | oGMo | kolla: or 'cancel' =P |
| 21:53:32 | mutexer | they dont wrap the text at the right point when the vertical scroll bar is visible...so you have to scroll over like 1-2 letters |
| 21:53:42 | oGMo | just like OK is enter |
| 21:53:50 | kolla | oGMo: which ofcourse will exit the terminal :) |
| 21:53:51 | oGMo | mutexer: oh yeah ;) |
| 21:54:02 | oGMo | kolla: actually it doesn't |
| 21:54:04 | oGMo | try ;) |
| 21:54:06 | kolla | well, I know |
| 21:54:11 | kolla | I use vim, go figure |
| 21:54:16 | oGMo | yeah |
| 21:54:17 | kolla | but still |
| 21:54:24 | oGMo | i'm glad vi was on here |
| 21:54:27 | kolla | efs |
| 21:54:35 | kolla | escape fn shift |
| 21:54:57 | oGMo | and i wouldn't really put emacs on either |
| 21:55:15 | kolla | no, waste of storage |
| 21:55:36 | kolla | and now enough swap :) |
| 21:55:39 | kolla | not |
| 21:56:07 | oGMo | it's not like programming on the z is a really useful prospect ;) |
| 21:56:25 | oGMo | kolla: bah, it's not that big ;) |
| 21:56:47 | kolla | so how big is it then? |
| 21:57:23 | oGMo | couple megs of ram |
| 21:57:43 | oGMo | it'd be a lot of storage though |
| 21:57:59 | kolla | as I said.. waste of storage :) |
| 21:58:07 | oGMo | well, you could cram it way down by taking out most of the unused .elc and all the .el files |
| 21:58:30 | oGMo | but it'd still be probably 5-10MB for something you wouldn't have THAT much use for :P |
| 21:58:51 | kolla | coding elisp on sourus.. you'll be pretty fed up with the fn+l and fn+, :) |
| 21:58:57 | kolla | sourus? zaurus :) |
| 21:59:16 | oGMo | heh |
| 21:59:57 | oGMo | actually it'd be a lot cooler if qtopia was all scriptable |
| 22:00:32 | Harlekin | oGMo: theres an addition to qt |
| 22:00:33 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 22:00:36 | oGMo | and it used little component objects instead of heavyweight apps, but ah wekk |
| 22:00:42 | oGMo | 'well' |
| 22:01:07 | Harlekin | Qt Script for Applications (QSA) |
| 22:01:09 | TheMasterMind1 | oGMo WATCHING MOVIES on the z is great |
| 22:01:17 | TheMasterMind1 | especially when you have a shitty laptop that can't play em |
| 22:01:21 | oGMo | Harlekin: yeah maybe we'll see that, although i doubt and i'm not even sure how appropriate it'd be |
| 22:01:41 | Harlekin | quite usable |
| 22:01:53 | kolla | I havent been able to find any movies files that actually played well yet |
| 22:01:53 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: sucks, your z is more powerful than your laptop? |
| 22:02:07 | TheMasterMind1 | it plays video better |
| 22:02:11 | TheMasterMind1 | my trident is shit |
| 22:02:24 | TheMasterMind1 | why does nfs mounting take 10 mins? |
| 22:02:33 | oGMo | notes most of the computers he's owned actually pale in comparison to the zaurus, but... |
| 22:02:52 | kolla | TheMasterMind1: no reason |
| 22:03:04 | TheMasterMind1 | kolla played well in what? |
| 22:03:08 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer works wonderfully |
| 22:03:20 | kergoth | woooot, my source methods are behaving |
| 22:03:25 | TheMasterMind1 | sure.. |
| 22:03:28 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what you want us to think |
| 22:03:29 | kergoth | now I just need to add the cmdline option parsing.. |
| 22:03:38 | kergoth | then integrate it into the template in the rewrite |
| 22:03:43 | kolla | well, the player that came with the retail install, and also opieplayer and opie mediaplayer |
| 22:03:45 | kergoth | then do the same thing to replace sourcetree |
| 22:03:47 | kolla | or opē |
| 22:03:52 | kolla | or whatever it is called |
| 22:04:41 | kergoth`gone | bbl, goin hom |
| 22:04:42 | kergoth`gone | e |
| 22:04:51 | kolla | think I'll do the same |
| 22:04:54 | oGMo | later kergoth`gone |
| 22:11:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:11:19 | TheMasterMind1 | my z screen is very glary.. |
| 22:11:21 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 22:13:13 | | TheMasterMind1 was last seen on #zaurus 1 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: grr [Fri Sep 13 23:11:21 2002] |
| 22:13:13 | kagemusha | ibot seen TheMasterMind1 |
| 22:13:52 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha oz@themastermind1.net |
| 22:14:12 | kagemusha | k |
| 22:20:34 | kagemusha | it going, just taking a bit to send |
| 22:22:17 | kagemusha | TheMasterMind1: all sent |
| 22:38:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:39:41 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 ? |
| 22:41:01 | kagemusha | TheMasterMind1: did you get them? |
| 22:41:31 | Cam__ | hey |
| 22:43:51 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha yep |
| 22:45:42 | DragonEagle | is away: work |
| 22:46:57 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha someone added functionality into the oz buildroot to extract hancom sheet directly from the sharp rom |
| 22:47:07 | TheMasterMind1 | meaning you can compile it yourself and get hancome sheet |
| 22:52:20 | kagemusha | TheMasterMind1: interesting, but why only hancom sheet and not the other hancom apps do you know? |
| 22:52:40 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha this is a test to see if this method works |
| 22:52:43 | TheMasterMind1 | if it does, the others are easy |
| 22:52:58 | kagemusha | ahh |
| 22:53:53 | kagemusha | I'm not going to flash OZ until I'm sure everything else I wan't works, because it will be a major pain to get my Z back to its current state and I use it every day for school |
| 22:54:12 | kagemusha | takes that back |
| 22:54:21 | kagemusha | I think I will flash oz this weekend |
| 22:54:39 | kagemusha | and just revert back to sharp and my most recent backup (today) if it don't work |
| 22:54:39 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 22:54:44 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought you had oz running |
| 22:54:44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:54:49 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i'll try it then |
| 22:58:22 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha seems to work |
| 22:58:30 | TheMasterMind1 | anything i can do to test if its working right? |
| 22:58:49 | kagemusha | don't think so |
| 22:59:16 | kagemusha | although I would be very interested to see how jeode works (as if I hadn't already made that clear =) |
| 22:59:55 | kagemusha | oh, does the hancomsheet ipk install direct to mtdram just fine, or does it put some stuff in / |
| 23:04:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kagemusha hmm |
| 23:04:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i installed it to root |
| 23:04:59 | TheMasterMind1 | you can install it to ram i guess |
| 23:05:01 | TheMasterMind1 | with oipkg |
| 23:05:06 | TheMasterMind1 | it will still have to create symlinks on / |
| 23:05:11 | TheMasterMind1 | but those are very small |
| 23:05:56 | kagemusha | 'Cause I rember last time I used oz I started out with 2 mb free on / and used that up damn fast, I tried install the hancomipks to ram, but It still seemedd to take up / space |
| 23:06:07 | TheMasterMind1 | it will take up some space |
| 23:06:08 | kagemusha | ^I tried to |
| 23:06:09 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't help that |
| 23:06:12 | TheMasterMind1 | that's just the way it works |
| 23:06:23 | kagemusha | yah |
| 23:06:24 | TheMasterMind1 | if you use oipkg, you can install to ram/cf/sd |
| 23:06:32 | TheMasterMind1 | and the space taken on / will be nominal |
| 23:07:02 | kagemusha | I think the reason I didn't like oz the first time is because it was so hard to get used to having writable root plus ram storage |
| 23:07:34 | TheMasterMind1 | its better than the pos sharp puts out |
| 23:07:39 | TheMasterMind1 | symlinks everywhere |
| 23:07:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:07:45 | kagemusha | I guess |
| 23:07:46 | TheMasterMind1 | oipkg has major problems |
| 23:07:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 23:07:57 | kagemusha | that's an understatement |
| 23:07:57 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going to rewrite ipkg one of these days |
| 23:07:59 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: new source method in perl is totally working, and handles passed options properly .. you do Sources = :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs type=cvs,module=familiar/dist/ipkg; $(SOURCE_DIR)/ipkg-patch.gz; .. so its Sources = source option1,option2; nextsource options; thirdsource options; .. that format |
| 23:07:59 | TheMasterMind1 | or improve rather |
| 23:08:01 | TheMasterMind1 | its such a pos |
| 23:08:19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`out sexy |
| 23:08:22 | TheMasterMind1 | commit it |
| 23:08:27 | TheMasterMind1 | does it handle all the stuff we had setup |
| 23:08:39 | TheMasterMind1 | options(patching)/cvs updating/etc /etc |
| 23:08:53 | kergoth`out | so now we can do Sources = :pserver:anonymous@cvs.handhelds.org:/cvs module=opie,date="1 week ago",tag=HEAD; ;-) |
| 23:08:59 | kagemusha | I think i'll wait to flash until I get my 802.11b card (tomorrow) so I don't have to do the stupid internet over usb shit to install *ipks |
| 23:09:05 | kergoth`out | so we can get cvs from a certain date or tag now :-) |
| 23:09:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:09:28 | TheMasterMind1 | time to create a opie-cvs :D |
| 23:09:31 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: options, patching, works. the cvs updating will still work, but i'd like to tweak it.. i'm rewriting parts of the main template next |
| 23:10:03 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: my plan is, opie-base-unstable, opie-base-stable .. those have the opie library, taskbar, libopie, etc .. then we have a common opie-apps which will build and work on either stable or unstable |
| 23:10:22 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: stable being qt 2.3.2 as of sept 1, unstable being qt 2.3.4, opie from current cvs |
| 23:10:34 | kergoth`out | s/as of sept 1/opie cvs from sept 1/; |
| 23:10:44 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 23:10:45 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 23:10:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i like bleeding edge formyself |
| 23:11:04 | kergoth`out | so i'm going to rewrite our sourcetree method as well, and rewrite template, then i'll commit |
| 23:11:05 | TheMasterMind1 | and oipkg and ipkg are REALLY pissing me off |
| 23:11:06 | kergoth`out | brb |
| 23:11:16 | TheMasterMind1 | how can something be so shittily coded |
| 23:11:29 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, rewrite all you need to |
| 23:11:30 | ||ugh | VERY easy... |
| 23:11:33 | TheMasterMind1 | and work on the kernel next |
| 23:11:40 | TheMasterMind1 | get it like semi working atleast so i can work on it also |
| 23:11:53 | ||ugh | Somtimes you just don' know what your doing and have to screw it up before you understand the problem |
| 23:13:10 | Microdim | what does it ean when I get an wget ftp --passive -ftp -q -p? |
| 23:13:20 | Microdim | I cant install anything |
| 23:13:52 | kergoth`out | TheMasterMind1: yeah step #1 is finish the rewrite of the battery status shit, step 2 is test the keyboard driver, step 3 is ensure console rotation works so shit is right side up, then it'll be ready for testing from you and other daring folk |
| 23:14:10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: btw buildroot discussions belong in #openzaurus |
| 23:14:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 23:14:23 | TheMasterMind1 | yea you keep saying that |
| 23:14:27 | TheMasterMind1 | but its a pain in the ass with bitchx |
| 23:14:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:14:48 | kergoth | have you tried irssi? |
| 23:14:53 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 23:14:56 | TheMasterMind1 | i like xchat |
| 23:14:58 | TheMasterMind1 | its awesome |
| 23:14:58 | kergoth | its really fucking cool, *much* easier to manage multiple channels |
| 23:15:06 | TheMasterMind1 | cept all my settings got wiped |
| 23:15:07 | kergoth | xchat works too, or irssi-gtk (gui) |
| 23:15:08 | TheMasterMind1 | and i'm too lazy to go fix em |
| 23:15:12 | kergoth | slacker |
| 23:15:14 | kergoth | hehh |
| 23:15:18 | TheMasterMind1 | so obvioiusly, i'm too lazy to go figure out irssi |
| 23:15:29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:15:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we shouldnt intimidate the masses with buildroot and build and bugs and shit |
| 23:15:37 | TheMasterMind1 | i got my gaim settings wiped too |
| 23:15:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: gives a bad impression |
| 23:15:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 23:15:46 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't get on im for a week |
| 23:15:48 | TheMasterMind1 | it was sad |
| 23:15:53 | TheMasterMind1 | seeing as i'm usually ALWAYS on im |
| 23:15:54 | kergoth | i always forget to run gaim |
| 23:16:00 | kergoth | cause i keep forgetting to save my session with it running |
| 23:16:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:19:13 | | mutexer: what? |
| 23:19:13 | mutexer | ibot xvnc |
| 23:19:43 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 23:19:43 | mutexer | ibot search ZSI for xvnc |
| 23:20:03 | mutexer | did I do the command wrong? |
| 23:20:22 | kergoth | nah, it just does that sometims |
| 23:20:24 | kergoth | try it again |
| 23:20:25 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 23:20:28 | | Keypebble_VNC_Viewer 1.5.0-8bp >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=186 |
| 23:20:29 | | Qtopia-x 0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=187 |
| 23:20:29 | kergoth | ibot search ZSI for qtopia-x |
| 23:20:29 | TheMasterMind1 | its just borked |
| 23:20:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:20:35 | kergoth | see, it works sometimes |
| 23:20:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:20:46 | kergoth | mutexer: qtopia-x is a Xvnc for the Z |
| 23:21:36 | treke | highly recommends not using the vnc viewer on zsi |
| 23:21:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:23:26 | TheMasterMind1 | treke does the one in the latest opie cvs have the fixes |
| 23:23:27 | TheMasterMind1 | like settings saving |
| 23:23:28 | TheMasterMind1 | etc |
| 23:24:11 | treke | TheMasterMind1: yes, actually that portion of it was scrapped an redone. Now it uses bookmarks |
| 23:24:18 | mutexer | game is huge |
| 23:24:27 | mutexer | probably be around 5mb |
| 23:26:22 | burtonator | http://www.peerfear.org/offnews/ |
| 23:26:40 | burtonator | This is a SL-5500 compatible offline webnews/blogging/RSS client I wrote! |
| 23:26:45 | burtonator | Killer application man. |
| 23:26:46 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 23:27:03 | burtonator | 0.9.0 in da house! |
| 23:27:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 23:28:34 | burtonator | that was the version |
| 23:28:50 | TheMasterMind1 | gpl/ |
| 23:29:06 | burtonator | BSD |
| 23:29:11 | TheMasterMind1 | [?] |
| 23:29:26 | TheMasterMind1 | [?][?][?][?] |
| 23:29:27 | burtonator | BSD license... |
| 23:29:33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:29:36 | TheMasterMind1 | what's that say? |
| 23:29:46 | TheMasterMind1 | what is it compared to the gpl? |
| 23:29:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: more free than gpl. not infectious. you can do whatever you want, basically. |
| 23:30:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 23:30:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: including use it without releasing changes you make |
| 23:30:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:30:13 | burtonator | "do what you want, don't sue me, don't pretend it is yours" |
| 23:30:13 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 23:30:17 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 23:30:19 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:30:37 | burtonator | but it is only BSD if you use Linux/BSD or another Open Source OS |
| 23:30:55 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll add it to the oz feed :D |
| 23:30:56 | TheMasterMind1 | eventually |
| 23:30:57 | burtonator | if yoU are an jerk and use a proprietary OS like Windows, Solaris, OSX yoU have to pay me $5.00 ) |
| 23:31:04 | burtonator | no you won't ;) |
| 23:31:15 | burtonator | ... it doesn't run *on* the Zaurus. |
| 23:31:19 | burtonator | you just sync the contnet. |
| 23:31:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 23:31:25 | burtonator | I have to write a GUI... |
| 23:31:27 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:31:39 | burtonator | I am slightly concerned about portability to the OZ |
| 23:31:49 | kergoth | burtonator: no worries, it'll work |
| 23:31:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:31:59 | TheMasterMind1 | soooooo much work |
| 23:32:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i want this new kernel especially |
| 23:32:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no shit, i hardly know where to start |
| 23:32:12 | burtonator | it requires JDK 1.3 so I don't know... |
| 23:32:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm cleaning up the command line parsing in the source method, it wasnt .. good |
| 23:32:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:32:22 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:32:29 | burtonator | I *really* want it to work on my Z with an 802.11b card though. |
| 23:32:31 | burtonator | maybe 2.0 ;) |
| 23:32:33 | kergoth | burtonator: oh its java? in that case, it wont work in OZ without swiping jeode |
| 23:32:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:32:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:32:43 | TheMasterMind1 | swipes jeode |
| 23:32:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: did hancom work? |
| 23:32:50 | burtonator | kergoth: it might if I used GCJ 3.2 to compile it.... |
| 23:32:51 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 23:32:53 | TheMasterMind1 | really nicely |
| 23:32:55 | kergoth | burtonator: cmdline? |
| 23:32:56 | burtonator | it would be a BIG ipk though :( |
| 23:32:56 | TheMasterMind1 | it worked great |
| 23:32:57 | kergoth | burtonator: or gui? |
| 23:33:01 | burtonator | cmdline... |
| 23:33:04 | kergoth | burtonator: if its cmdline, it'd probably run in kaffe fine |
| 23:33:04 | burtonator | no gui noW... |
| 23:33:07 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:33:12 | kergoth | it'd work in kaffe |
| 23:33:14 | burtonator | no... it requires crazy libs. |
| 23:33:16 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:33:19 | kergoth | well damnit |
| 23:33:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:33:27 | burtonator | it won't compile under kaffe I think. |
| 23:33:40 | burtonator | don't worry... I really want it to run toO! ;) |
| 23:34:07 | kergoth | gcj is a bytecode compiler right? |
| 23:34:16 | kergoth | whereas that is not the case with jeode and the like? |
| 23:34:20 | kergoth | knows jack about java |
| 23:35:37 | TheMasterMind1 | java = shit |
| 23:35:41 | TheMasterMind1 | too much oo is crap |
| 23:35:45 | burtonator | gcj can compile to bytecode... |
| 23:35:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ruby is the only good oo |
| 23:36:00 | burtonator | gcj really is bytecode -> native |
| 23:36:08 | burtonator | but it can run bytecodes |
| 23:36:09 | kergoth | burtonator: ahh |
| 23:36:35 | burtonator | so if I want to port offnews I have to recompile Xerces, Xalan, and a bunch of librarys as shared libraries. |
| 23:36:37 | burtonator | .. then link them. |
| 23:36:39 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-kpacman needs fixing |
| 23:36:46 | burtonator | then get the GCJ runtime oN the ipaq... |
| 23:36:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i need to link libmad to mplayer.. |
| 23:37:00 | TheMasterMind1 | worked with libmad any? |
| 23:37:05 | burtonator | it isn't an easy job... but at least we would hav Java on the OZ. |
| 23:38:58 | kagemusha | who was on here last night talking about 109mb LoTR part1 mpg? |
| 23:39:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: check this |
| 23:40:36 | TheMasterMind1 | what? |
| 23:40:52 | kergoth | /usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot-oz/configs/methods$ ./source.pl http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.5-collie ./ type=Bk |
| 23:41:05 | kergoth | ./linux-arm-2.5-collie |
| 23:41:07 | kergoth | clone: linux-arm-2.5-collie exists already |
| 23:41:09 | kergoth | usage: bk clone [-ql] [-E<env>=<val>] [-r<rev>] [-z[<d>]] <from> [<to>] |
| 23:41:11 | kergoth | muahah |
| 23:41:19 | kergoth | the new method rocks |
| 23:43:25 | angry | jeebus i hate when the power's out for multiple days |
| 23:44:35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:46:25 | burtonator | god... LoTR for my Z! sweet! |
| 23:46:41 | tweeky | burtonator: using mplayer? |
| 23:47:05 | burtonator | I don't know... |
| 23:47:09 | burtonator | scroll up... |
| 23:47:42 | kagemusha | yes using mplayer |
| 23:47:57 | tweeky | ah...i can never get it to work right |
| 23:48:39 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 7 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: im not sure tough how mediummount handles the mtdram [Fri Sep 13 18:40:51 2002] |
| 23:48:39 | kagemusha | ibot seen Onyx4 |
| 23:48:52 | kagemusha | Onyx4 was talking 'bout it |