| 00:02:14 | cc | what modules must i load to mount the cf card? |
| 00:02:41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth |
| 00:02:46 | TheMasterMind1 | wherver in this configure there is an |
| 00:02:47 | TheMasterMind1 | cat >> $N <<EOF |
| 00:03:03 | TheMasterMind1 | it takes the output of the make process and feeds it into the configure script |
| 00:03:24 | cc | how can i press ESC in th Z keyboard? |
| 00:04:04 | cc | can anyone answer? |
| 00:04:14 | TheMasterMind1 | CANCEL |
| 00:04:25 | cc | what modules must i load to mount the cf card? |
| 00:05:03 | Wembly | ok im pissed |
| 00:05:30 | Wembly | the cable company called to tell me after 2 months of having their service they are raiseing the rates 30$ and i cannot legally back out of the contract because i have to stay with it for 3 months. |
| 00:05:52 | Wembly | and then when i asked what was going on they hung up on me. |
| 00:06:11 | ryan_ | what's the difference between Opie and OpenZaurus? |
| 00:06:56 | cc | do anyone know what modules must i load to mount the cf? |
| 00:07:50 | oGMo | cc, Cancel = ESC |
| 00:07:59 | oGMo | cc: and the modules should get autoloaded |
| 00:08:15 | cc | oGMo: i know but i removed /usr |
| 00:08:26 | oGMo | erm |
| 00:08:33 | oGMo | cc, reset time |
| 00:09:32 | kergoth | ryan_: read the faq. |
| 00:09:36 | | i think openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 00:09:36 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus |
| 00:09:40 | kergoth | last link there. |
| 00:10:45 | ryan_ | kergoth: great, thanks :) |
| 00:12:13 | ryan_ | kergoth: so to run ANY opie apps, i have to be running OZ? |
| 00:13:13 | kergoth | ryan_: no |
| 00:13:22 | kergoth | ryan_: many opie apps will run on qtopia, though some will require libopie as well |
| 00:13:42 | kergoth | ryan_: but some will require the opie base (i.e. you cant change backgrounds in appearance without the opie launcher) |
| 00:14:02 | ryan_ | but i could install libopie and opie-base on the sharp rom? |
| 00:14:23 | kergoth | ryan_: opie-base? not without a nightmare |
| 00:14:33 | kergoth | ryan_: and it'll take up your ram, not flash, because flash is read only |
| 00:14:53 | ryan_ | kergoth: lol, ok - so basically, reflash to OZ as soon as i can :) |
| 00:14:54 | treke | you can install libopie |
| 00:15:01 | kergoth | treke: yeah, i said that |
| 00:15:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:15:07 | kergoth | libopie will go in fine |
| 00:15:15 | kergoth | but opie itself, not without headaches to say the least |
| 00:15:24 | kergoth | ryan_: well i'd say that, but its my project, i'm biased ;-) |
| 00:15:38 | kergoth | ryan_: opie is excellent though, the opie team has done an excellent job |
| 00:15:42 | ryan_ | kergoth: lol, s'all good - i really want to get OZ, but i just dont have the CF card |
| 00:15:49 | kergoth | ah yeah, common situation |
| 00:15:51 | treke | couldnt imagine going back to qtopia from opie |
| 00:15:55 | ryan_ | kergoth: yeah, and honeslty, opie looks better than the sharp stuff |
| 00:16:00 | kergoth | i'm tempted to write a app for the sharp rom to install OZ |
| 00:16:03 | kergoth | thatd be smooth |
| 00:16:13 | ryan_ | kergoth: is libopie on the www.zauruszone.com/feed/ feed? |
| 00:16:17 | kergoth | ryan_: yeah |
| 00:16:19 | treke | kergoth: how would you go about doing that? |
| 00:16:21 | kergoth | ryan_: er |
| 00:16:25 | kergoth | ryan_: no, grab it from the oz3 feed |
| 00:16:27 | ryan_ | kergoth: that'd be AWESOME if you did |
| 00:16:29 | treke | kergoth: wouldnt you need to reflash anyways?? |
| 00:16:40 | ryan_ | kergoth: http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ ? |
| 00:16:41 | kergoth | treke: you overwrite flash, yes |
| 00:16:47 | kergoth | treke: but it'd be useful for those without CF cards |
| 00:17:02 | treke | kergoth: how would you do that from inside the sharp rom? |
| 00:17:08 | kergoth | treke: it'd just mmap /dev/mem to find the location of memory where flash is, then write out the data directly there |
| 00:17:19 | kergoth | treke: same way the sharp updater ipk worked (afaik) |
| 00:17:31 | treke | hmm, didnt know there was one :) |
| 00:17:34 | kergoth | treke: though sharp only did it with a updater app in one rom version, then they droppd it |
| 00:17:46 | treke | I reckon it would work |
| 00:18:15 | treke | kergoth: wouldnt linux shit itself? |
| 00:19:29 | kergoth | treke: getting the kernel overwritten? nah, by that point its in ram |
| 00:19:33 | KGBudz | do they have an win32->arm cross compiler |
| 00:19:38 | kergoth | treke: though overwriting the filesystem while its mounted would be amusing |
| 00:19:40 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 00:21:43 | ljp | that'd be like doing a deltree \ in dos |
| 00:21:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:22:06 | kergoth | but it'd work. |
| 00:22:07 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:22:18 | kergoth | the they could install OZ without a CF card |
| 00:22:20 | ljp | actually it doesn't finish |
| 00:22:21 | treke | kergoth: I was thinking that some of the memory might be in swap space. Supid me :) |
| 00:22:22 | kergoth | s/the/then/ |
| 00:22:30 | treke | but rm -rf / does finish :) |
| 00:22:41 | ljp | yes because linux is better than dos |
| 00:22:44 | kergoth | treke: well i'm not writing to 'memory' persay, i'm writing to flash directly |
| 00:23:02 | treke | kergoth: bah you know what I'm saying :) I see why it would work now |
| 00:23:09 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:23:17 | kergoth | I'll have to do that one of these days |
| 00:30:13 | Saihung | anyone have any luck getting the anthy japanese input working on sharp's image? |
| 00:34:48 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 00:34:48 | kall-away | ibot search zsi for libncurses |
| 00:34:48 | | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 00:34:48 | KallDrexx | ibot search zsi libncurses |
| 00:35:02 | KallDrexx | ibot help search |
| 00:35:25 | | kergoth: i'm not following you... |
| 00:35:25 | kergoth | ibot saerch zsi for ncurses |
| 00:35:30 | | libncurses5 5.0-6.0potato1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=452 |
| 00:35:31 | | smbmount_for_Zaurus 0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=220 |
| 00:35:31 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for ncurses |
| 00:35:31 | | libncurses5 5.0-6.0potato1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=452 |
| 00:35:32 | | smbmount_for_Zaurus 0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=220 |
| 00:35:32 | KallDrexx | ibot search zsi for ncurses |
| 00:35:32 | ljp | ibot help search |
| 00:35:32 | kergoth | stupid bot |
| 00:35:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:35:45 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 00:35:48 | ljp | fusge its /msg that |
| 00:36:03 | ljp | hmmm ok, I am giving up typing |
| 00:36:13 | KallDrexx | does libncurses5 install the libncurses.so.4 that mplayer needs? |
| 00:36:33 | ljp | anyone know of speech recognitiion irc software? |
| 00:36:56 | kergoth | KallDrexx: libncurses4 is included on the sharp rom |
| 00:37:04 | KallDrexx | kergoth: i'm using OZ |
| 00:37:05 | kergoth | KallDrexx: libncurses5 is just that, libncurses.so.5 |
| 00:37:19 | KallDrexx | so can I use mplayer with oz? |
| 00:37:20 | kergoth | KallDrexx: ah, try a symlink. ln -s /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 /usr/lib/libncurses.so.4 |
| 00:37:28 | KallDrexx | ah ok |
| 00:37:29 | kergoth | KallDrexx: if that fails, i'll build you a libncurses4 ipk |
| 00:37:31 | ljp | thats what I was going to say |
| 00:37:32 | kergoth | KallDrexx: keep me posted |
| 00:37:39 | KallDrexx | kergoth: ok let me download libncurses5 |
| 00:37:46 | ljp | for alot of things it'll work |
| 00:37:59 | kergoth | KallDrexx: OZ comes with libncurses5. |
| 00:38:03 | kergoth | KallDrexx: out of hte box |
| 00:38:06 | numatrix_home | Evening all. |
| 00:38:09 | kergoth | KallDrexx: its required for a number of things |
| 00:38:10 | kergoth | hey numatrix_home |
| 00:38:14 | KallDrexx | kergoth: ah that's good |
| 00:38:26 | numatrix_home | kergoth: What does require 5 instead of 4? |
| 00:38:29 | kergoth | KallDrexx: so try the symlink out |
| 00:38:36 | KallDrexx | ok sshing into my z now |
| 00:38:40 | kergoth | numatrix_home: shit i dont recall |
| 00:38:45 | kergoth | numatrix_home: hehe |
| 00:38:51 | ljp | thinks oz should also include lxt and emacs |
| 00:39:03 | kergoth | i should update that nano ipk for the feed |
| 00:39:08 | numatrix_home | kergoth: ;-) No biggie, just curious. I was trying out frotz with 5, but it made no difference. I can't get color for the life of me. |
| 00:39:21 | ljp | emacs would be nice also ;) |
| 00:39:36 | KallDrexx | kergoth: should i symlink it to 5 or 5.2? |
| 00:39:49 | ljp | doesn matter |
| 00:39:53 | KallDrexx | k |
| 00:40:36 | kergoth | ljp: feel free to pull down cvs and uemacs to the build :-P |
| 00:41:00 | ljp | hmm cvs? uemacs? |
| 00:41:13 | numatrix_home | Anybody remember who it was on one of the mailing lists talking about getting a new version of frotz going? |
| 00:41:29 | ljp | I know there's some tarballs at kernel.org and gnu.org |
| 00:41:30 | KallDrexx | kergoth: I guess it worked since it's now showing me the help on how to use it...now i gotta figure out how to use mplayer |
| 00:41:41 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: mplayer filename |
| 00:41:53 | KallDrexx | that's it? |
| 00:41:55 | KallDrexx | nifty :) |
| 00:42:01 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: most of the time. |
| 00:42:24 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: because I was lazy, the actual executable is mplayerx and mplayer is just a shell script where you can add common options (I think I turned on frameskip by default). |
| 00:43:02 | KallDrexx | oh so i actually have to do more than just filename |
| 00:43:22 | numatrix_home | no, normally that's enough. If you want to tweak the settings you can, but you don't have to. |
| 00:43:29 | KallDrexx | ah ok |
| 00:43:40 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix_home did you do any special stuff to compile mplayer for the Z? |
| 00:43:57 | KallDrexx | woohjoo it dind't work |
| 00:44:08 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: actually, I do need to make one change to the wrapper script. Most people run it from within qtopia in which case all the terminal output futz the screen. I need to redirect the output to /dev/null. |
| 00:44:25 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: what'd you try and what happened? |
| 00:44:39 | KallDrexx | numatrix first let me say i downloaded the ipkg from zsi |
| 00:45:27 | KallDrexx | um let me copy by hadn what it says |
| 00:45:35 | numatrix_home | Ok. |
| 00:46:01 | KallDrexx | /usr/local/bin/mplayerx: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/local/bin/mplayerx: undefined symbol: __umodsi3 |
| 00:46:08 | KallDrexx | shoudl I just compile it on the Z? |
| 00:47:23 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: umm, probably not. That would take a while. |
| 00:47:33 | KallDrexx | heh yeah |
| 00:47:45 | kergoth | undefined symbol for __umodsi3? |
| 00:47:46 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 00:48:00 | KallDrexx | that's what it's tellign me |
| 00:48:01 | kergoth | that symbol is generally in libgcc.a, and gets statically linked at compiletime |
| 00:48:02 | KallDrexx | shrugs |
| 00:48:05 | kergoth | hm |
| 00:48:30 | numatrix_home | Don't blame me, I wrapped it in the ipk, I didn't compile it. :-) |
| 00:48:34 | numatrix_home | starts pointing fingers... |
| 00:48:49 | KallDrexx | heh why isn't the ipkg on the site anyway? |
| 00:48:57 | numatrix_home | which ipkg which site? |
| 00:49:12 | KallDrexx | mplayer ipkg couldn't find onthe mplayer for z site... only foudn it on zsi |
| 00:49:37 | numatrix_home | Because I made the ipk from what that other guy had done. :-) |
| 00:49:50 | KallDrexx | ah :) |
| 00:49:52 | TheMasterMind1 | where is the mplayer on the Z site? |
| 00:49:59 | KallDrexx | zsi site? |
| 00:50:37 | numatrix_home | TheMasterMind1: I linked to it in my description on zsi, I think. |
| 00:50:54 | numatrix_home | TheMasterMind1: yeah, it's the 'source' link: http://kirk.math.twsu.edu/family/james/mplayer.html |
| 00:54:50 | KallDrexx | cries |
| 00:54:53 | KallDrexx | why won't mplayer work |
| 00:56:12 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: couldn't tell you. Works out of the box on the sharp rom. :-( |
| 00:56:16 | KGBudz | anyone know if a arm cross compiler exists for windows? |
| 00:56:23 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: maybe you do want to compile it like the page says. |
| 00:56:58 | KallDrexx | heh fun, i get to install gcc on my z |
| 00:57:11 | numatrix_home | Actually, you just want to mount the devimg as a cramfs. |
| 00:57:17 | numatrix_home | Much simpler. |
| 00:57:20 | KallDrexx | huh? |
| 00:57:49 | KallDrexx | what do you mean? |
| 00:57:56 | | busybox_0.60.3 0.60.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=167 |
| 00:57:57 | | dev_img-1.3 1.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=293 |
| 00:57:58 | | distcc 0.7 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=387 |
| 00:57:59 | | 3 of 4 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=gcc |
| 00:57:59 | KallDrexx | ibot search zsi for gcc |
| 00:58:04 | KallDrexx | heh i'm so lazy :D |
| 00:58:17 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: check out the second link. |
| 00:58:46 | KallDrexx | woah |
| 00:59:26 | KallDrexx | time to take off the ipkg |
| 01:00:41 | KallDrexx | ok what do i do with that file? |
| 01:02:24 | n80095726 | hello |
| 01:02:53 | numatrix_home | hello Gundor |
| 01:03:01 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: one sec, let me dig up some directions |
| 01:03:18 | KallDrexx | k |
| 01:03:30 | Gundor | first time |
| 01:03:58 | Gundor | i dont even know how i got to this screen |
| 01:04:10 | numatrix_home | Gundor: first time in irc? |
| 01:04:17 | Gundor | yes |
| 01:04:24 | Gundor | what is irc |
| 01:04:25 | numatrix_home | Gundor: well, welcome. What are you looking for? |
| 01:04:30 | numatrix_home | Gundor: online chat. |
| 01:05:01 | numatrix_home | Gundor: it's been around much longer than AOL and the like. |
| 01:05:02 | KallDrexx | ftp 192.168.129.201 4242 |
| 01:05:02 | KallDrexx | Connected to 192.168.129.201. |
| 01:05:03 | KallDrexx | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 01:05:06 | KallDrexx | did I do something wrong? |
| 01:05:07 | numatrix_home | Gundor: than AIM, I mean. |
| 01:05:25 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: have you ever had it working since you've been using OZ? |
| 01:05:28 | ljp | root@ |
| 01:05:37 | Gundor | i dont know what is available with irc |
| 01:05:50 | | irc is probably Internet Relay Chat |
| 01:05:50 | ljp | ibot: irc |
| 01:06:05 | numatrix_home | Gundor: Well, right now you're in the zaurus channel on an irc server that handles mostly open-source programming project type chat rooms. |
| 01:06:19 | numatrix_home | Whoops. |
| 01:06:26 | numatrix_home | waves bye-bye to KallDrexx |
| 01:06:37 | | numatrix_home: i'm not following you... |
| 01:06:37 | numatrix_home | ibot: dev_img |
| 01:06:37 | Gundor | I actually am on my zaurus |
| 01:06:45 | numatrix_home | Gundor: yeah, I noticed that when I saw you were using tkcJabber. |
| 01:07:16 | Gundor | are there more channels than this one |
| 01:07:27 | | okay, ljp. |
| 01:07:27 | ljp | ibot: irc is also help can be found here http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/altircfaq.html |
| 01:07:28 | numatrix_home | Gundor: there sure are; and many more servers than this one as well. |
| 01:07:35 | numatrix_home | ljp: Good call. |
| 01:07:44 | numatrix_home | You see that link above Gundor? Try reading that first. |
| 01:07:59 | mutexer | anyt know how I load another pixmap with a QPixmap...can I just call mypixmap.load() again and itll delete the previous one? |
| 01:08:02 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: welcome back. |
| 01:08:06 | KallDrexx | kills whoever wrote usbdnet |
| 01:08:29 | Gundor | i will do that now thanks |
| 01:08:31 | KallDrexx | stupid thing wont' stop segfaulting |
| 01:09:18 | KallDrexx | anyways did you say anything before i got peered? |
| 01:09:23 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: btw, check out the sourceforge site for the dev image: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939 |
| 01:09:33 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: under bkroeze |
| 01:09:52 | Gundor | take care numatrix |
| 01:10:31 | numatrix_home | Gundor: you too. Nice chatting with you. |
| 01:12:04 | KallDrexx | numatrix_home: uhhh mind telling me where the documentation is? |
| 01:12:27 | cc | can you check in the Z if /var/run/stab exists? |
| 01:13:08 | KallDrexx | why is oz not letting me ftp in? |
| 01:13:11 | numatrix_home | cc: no |
| 01:13:18 | numatrix_home | cc: Not on sharp rom 2.38 |
| 01:13:29 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: do you have a root password? |
| 01:13:50 | KallDrexx | numatrix_home: no but it's giving me service not available wehn i try |
| 01:13:53 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: there really isn't any. You mount the image. I haven't done it myself. |
| 01:14:06 | bohnsack | sharp rom 2.38 shuts off ftp |
| 01:14:13 | KallDrexx | i'm using OZ |
| 01:14:16 | KallDrexx | why does it shut it fof tho? |
| 01:14:17 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: I don't know, I'm not running OZ right now. |
| 01:14:30 | bohnsack | secuity hole |
| 01:14:41 | KallDrexx | what about 1.39? |
| 01:14:44 | numatrix_home | bohnsack: Not in OZ, it's not. |
| 01:14:55 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 01:15:07 | cc | do anyone have /var/run/stab or /var/lib/pcmcia/stab in the Z? |
| 01:15:10 | numatrix_home | bohnsack: They had it with a password at one point. I think maybe they backed off that change because the qtopia desktop software wasn't updated. I forget. |
| 01:15:14 | KallDrexx | time to do this the annoying way |
| 01:15:25 | numatrix_home | cc: the /var/lib/pcmcia/stab file is there. |
| 01:15:39 | numatrix_home | cc: but no /var/run/stab |
| 01:16:02 | cc | numatrix_home: ok type the text in query |
| 01:16:06 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: TheMasterMind1 is trying to compile it for OZ too. You may just want to work with him. |
| 01:16:14 | KallDrexx | ah ok |
| 01:19:22 | bohnsack | i've just loaded that lastest OZ from sourceforge. does ipkg work with this and the default /etc/ipkg.conf? 'ipkg install util-linux-fdisk' looks like it works, but it doesn't. |
| 01:19:41 | kergoth_ | bohnsack: the fdisk package is empty, my fault |
| 01:19:50 | kergoth_ | bohnsack: yes it works, but you should immeidately grab hte latest ipkg from the feed |
| 01:19:50 | numatrix_home | Whoops. ;-) |
| 01:19:57 | | update oz is, like, (recommended by kergoth): upgrade ipkg, oipkg, busybox, atd to start. then drop to console and ipkg upgarde opie-base; then upgrade everything else from oipkg |
| 01:19:57 | numatrix_home | ibot: update oz |
| 01:20:05 | numatrix_home | See kergoth; knew it would save you time. |
| 01:20:06 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 01:20:11 | bohnsack | cool |
| 01:20:33 | KallDrexx | jeez dev_img is big |
| 01:20:43 | numatrix_home | btw; kergoth: when you mean drop to console do you mean shutdown opie and do it, or just use a terminal? |
| 01:20:52 | numatrix_home | KallDrexx: 16meg; it is an entire compile environment... |
| 01:21:00 | kergoth_ | terminate opie preferably, oitherwise you can get weird things happening |
| 01:21:05 | KallDrexx | numatrix yeah didn't fit on /mnt/am |
| 01:21:15 | ljp | whenever I need an update, I just pressure kergoth into getting a new initrd.bin soonish |
| 01:21:36 | KallDrexx | uhhh |
| 01:21:40 | numatrix_home | ljp: Seems like a good way to do it. ;-) |
| 01:21:46 | ljp | or compile opie myself ;) |
| 01:21:49 | kergoth_ | GAHH |
| 01:21:56 | kergoth_ | shoots pam |
| 01:21:59 | kergoth_ | shoots pam again |
| 01:22:08 | KallDrexx | kergoth: how's this: just installed vim... tried ot run it, got this: vim: error while loading shared libraries: vim: undefined symbol: __udivsi3 |
| 01:22:37 | ljp | notices pam is crying in a pool of flowing bits, and consols it |
| 01:23:02 | kergoth_ | KallDrexx: thats really fucking odd. |
| 01:23:06 | kergoth_ | hm |
| 01:23:10 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 01:23:30 | KallDrexx | bleh it offset my curser |
| 01:23:30 | kergoth_ | what glibc ver is on the sharp rom again? |
| 01:23:35 | KallDrexx | i'm using oz |
| 01:23:41 | kergoth_ | i know |
| 01:23:43 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 01:23:57 | bohnsack | ipkg upgrade oipkg segfaults ;( |
| 01:24:28 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 01:24:32 | kergoth_ | bohnsack: did you upgrade ipkg first? |
| 01:24:35 | bohnsack | yes i did |
| 01:25:14 | KallDrexx | ok why is this? |
| 01:25:22 | KallDrexx | PING www.google.com (216.239.53.101): 56 data bytes |
| 01:25:23 | KallDrexx | 64 bytes from 216.239.53.101: icmp_seq=0 ttl=38 time=94.1 ms |
| 01:25:23 | KallDrexx | ipkg update |
| 01:25:23 | KallDrexx | Downloading http://kalldrexx.shacknet.nu/Packages |
| 01:25:23 | KallDrexx | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-bs1UCy http://kalldrexx.shacknet.nu/Packages' |
| 01:25:35 | cw|toiling | kergoth: glibc v2.2.2 |
| 01:25:41 | kergoth_ | cw|toiling: thanks |
| 01:25:50 | cw|toiling | good luck finding sources... |
| 01:26:04 | cw|toiling | (and if you do, please tell me!) |
| 01:26:06 | TheMasterMind1 | HAHAHA. i got opie to compile!! |
| 01:26:11 | KallDrexx | heh cool |
| 01:26:15 | KallDrexx | now get mplayer to work :) |
| 01:28:09 | ljp | the real challenge is getting opie to actually run |
| 01:32:11 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 01:32:29 | cw|toiled | wants glibc-devel ipkg! (specifically, libc.a) |
| 01:35:23 | KallDrexx | what do i mougn dev_image as? |
| 01:36:25 | KallDrexx | twiddles his thumbs |
| 01:37:32 | cw|toiled | KallDrexx: try: mount -o loop filename mountpoint |
| 01:38:22 | cw|toiled | Is cramfs read only? |
| 01:38:43 | cw|toiled | If so: mount -o loop,ro filename mountpoint |
| 01:39:11 | cw|toiled | you may need to throw a '-t cramfs' in there |
| 01:40:13 | KallDrexx | mount -o loop,ro /mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 /mnt/dev |
| 01:40:13 | KallDrexx | mount: Mounting /mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 on /mnt/dev failed: Invalid argument |
| 01:40:39 | cw|toiled | I hate when it does that. It's so microsofty... |
| 01:40:49 | KallDrexx | what do you mean? |
| 01:41:19 | cw|toiled | "Invalid argument" could be any of a dozen dofferent problems |
| 01:41:24 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 01:41:59 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 01:42:05 | KallDrexx | and the -t cramfs makes it say no such device |
| 01:42:15 | cw|toiled | try: mount -t cramfs -o loop,ro /mnt/cf/dev_img-1.3 /mnt/dev |
| 01:42:24 | cw|toiled | ouch |
| 01:42:49 | cw|toiled | # mount |
| 01:42:50 | cw|toiled | /dev/mtdblock0 on / type cramfs (ro) |
| 01:42:50 | cw|toiled | /proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 01:42:52 | cw|toiled | ... |
| 01:43:06 | cw|toiled | WTF is it talking about "no such device?" |
| 01:43:07 | KallDrexx | shrugs |
| 01:43:22 | cw|toiled | it obviously is supported. |
| 01:43:33 | cw|toiled | hmmm... is loopback supported? |
| 01:43:42 | KallDrexx | actually.... |
| 01:43:49 | KallDrexx | um |
| 01:43:51 | KallDrexx | i dunno |
| 01:43:56 | KallDrexx | it's on the Z |
| 01:44:03 | KallDrexx | wonders if he should just go back to sharp ROM |
| 01:44:26 | cw|toiled | What are you on now, OZ? |
| 01:45:37 | KallDrexx | yeah |
| 01:45:39 | KallDrexx | i'm on OZ |
| 01:46:51 | cwilkins | I thought about that. But I have enough headaches with ClosedZaurus... |
| 01:47:05 | KallDrexx | closed zaurus? |
| 01:47:23 | cwilkins | (I got a Sandisk SD card, who needs more problems than that?) :b |
| 01:47:30 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 01:47:55 | KallDrexx | do i need to take off everything on my cf except for the ROMIMAGE? |
| 01:48:17 | cwilkins | what size cf? |
| 01:48:21 | KallDrexx | 256mb |
| 01:48:24 | cwilkins | ouch |
| 01:48:27 | KallDrexx | ? |
| 01:48:58 | cwilkins | well, if you just cat the image out to /dev/hda1, you're wasting about 90% of your space. |
| 01:49:11 | KallDrexx | huh? |
| 01:49:19 | deathmint|pc | I've flashed with other stuff on the cf without any problems |
| 01:49:28 | KallDrexx | deathmint|pc: ah ok cool |
| 01:49:52 | cwilkins | Oops sorry. I thought we were still talking dev_image. |
| 01:50:04 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 01:50:14 | deathmint|pc | I put everything but backup files in directories |
| 01:50:21 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 01:50:31 | cwilkins | attempts a paradigm shift and strips his gears... |
| 01:50:50 | KallDrexx | wants more ram dangit |
| 01:50:52 | deathmint|pc | well, backup files and the stuff needed for the flash that is |
| 01:50:59 | deathmint|pc | ;-) |
| 01:51:14 | KallDrexx | i only have 9mb free max at any givne time |
| 01:51:17 | KallDrexx | can't even run opie |
| 01:51:18 | KallDrexx | op2 |
| 01:52:07 | KallDrexx | btw is there a limit on how many times you can write to a CF? i heard there was but.... |
| 01:52:44 | cwilkins | KallDrexx: 10385473 times, give or take. :b |
| 01:53:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh. KallDrexx cf/sd and other flash ram/roms have a limited number of read/write cycles |
| 01:53:46 | cwilkins | TheMasterMind1: yeah, but how many? |
| 01:53:54 | deathmint|pc | 5 |
| 01:53:57 | TheMasterMind1 | enough |
| 01:54:00 | deathmint|pc | :-) |
| 01:54:07 | mutexer | is reading and writing religiously to his |
| 01:54:16 | cwilkins | I've seen the warnings about putting swap files on flash cards. |
| 01:54:18 | KallDrexx | so i didn't waste $94 on mine? |
| 01:54:33 | cwilkins | What's the MTBF? :B |
| 01:54:43 | KallDrexx | ok i'm bored, time to play some doom on my z:) |
| 01:54:56 | cwilkins | (dang, grew an extra tongue...) |
| 01:55:26 | TheMasterMind1 | look like boobs |
| 01:55:32 | KallDrexx | ? |
| 01:56:01 | cwilkins | In this font, plastic surgery would be a must. |
| 01:56:12 | kergoth_ | holy shit |
| 01:56:14 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: it compiled! |
| 01:56:41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ you're shitting me |
| 01:56:53 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: i'll add pam in a few, i'm cleaning up the pakaging |
| 01:57:05 | TheMasterMind1 | what's the busybox pass? |
| 01:57:13 | kergoth_ | nothing |
| 01:57:15 | kergoth_ | just hit enter |
| 01:57:28 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, ok |
| 01:58:24 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd you get it to compile kergoth_ ? |
| 01:58:46 | cwilkins | anyone built gnu findutils? |
| 01:58:56 | br33zy | how can i send a message to another user in linux? |
| 01:58:58 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: hacked up configure.in |
| 01:59:05 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 01:59:10 | cwilkins | I built diffutils if anyone wants. |
| 01:59:40 | TheMasterMind1 | cwilkins did you do anythign special to comile it? |
| 02:00:22 | cwilkins | TheMasterMind1: I had to hack the source a wee bit. Other than that, no. Used zgcc on the Z. |
| 02:01:04 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, hmm. didn't cross compile eh |
| 02:01:14 | cwilkins | But I can't get findutils to build because it needs stat/lstat, which are in libc.a apparently, and me no got. |
| 02:01:28 | cwilkins | I haven't tried cross-compiling yet. |
| 02:01:48 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:01:52 | cwilkins | (Though I occasionally get pretty cross trying to compile...) |
| 02:02:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ how come a lot of the stuff during mkipks fails.. like all the opie-sh stuff and other stuff |
| 02:02:22 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: some things are disabled in the build |
| 02:02:30 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: mkipks tries to make ipks for evereything, even shit that didnt get built |
| 02:02:41 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:02:45 | TheMasterMind1 | why are they disabled? |
| 02:02:50 | TheMasterMind1 | how come there's no opie-sh stuff |
| 02:02:55 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-sh seems cool |
| 02:02:56 | kergoth_ | dood |
| 02:03:03 | kergoth_ | when you commit something to cvs |
| 02:03:06 | kergoth_ | its not always in a perfectly working state right away |
| 02:03:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:03:16 | kergoth_ | so it doesnt get added into the main build automatically |
| 02:03:28 | kergoth_ | until its confirmed to be functional and happy, it wont be |
| 02:03:28 | TheMasterMind1 | alright alright |
| 02:03:31 | cwilkins | CVS is still beta... |
| 02:03:45 | TheMasterMind1 | cwilkins thank you for the wonderful insight |
| 02:03:54 | cc | what modules must i load for usbd? |
| 02:04:05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:04:07 | TheMasterMind1 | sf is down? |
| 02:04:29 | kergoth_ | cc: net_fd, sa1100_bi, usbdcore, usbdmonitor, iirc |
| 02:04:31 | cwilkins | TheMasterMind1: I have a firm grasp of the bleeding obvious. :) |
| 02:04:39 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 02:04:42 | TheMasterMind1 | is but the proxy |
| 02:04:55 | dlohin | anyone good at setting usb reader |
| 02:04:56 | dlohin | s |
| 02:04:56 | cc | kergoth_: thanks |
| 02:05:02 | ljp | kergoth_: I think he means on th edesktop |
| 02:05:30 | TheMasterMind1 | when make openzaurus works, its a beauty to watch |
| 02:07:23 | HermosaGuy | Does anyone know if there is a powerpoint view I can use with OZ? |
| 02:07:42 | TheMasterMind1 | wasn't there a slashdot article about that |
| 02:09:10 | dlohin | I am back |
| 02:09:21 | dlohin | I still dont know what is going on |
| 02:10:21 | treke|home | HermosaGuy: HancomPresenter? |
| 02:10:45 | HermosaGuy | I thought it didnt come w/ oz |
| 02:12:24 | dlohin | Hermosa download a file off of killefiz.de called hancom creator |
| 02:12:43 | dlohin | It allows you to make ipks out of hancom |
| 02:12:58 | dlohin | what is a device shmfs |
| 02:13:51 | HermosaGuy | dlohin: Cool, You are my hero |
| 02:13:54 | HermosaGuy | ! |
| 02:14:10 | dlohin | thanks |
| 02:14:45 | HermosaGuy | no thank you |
| 02:15:01 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 02:15:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ hows it going |
| 02:15:36 | dlohin | I guess you all are going to give up like I am about to do |
| 02:15:36 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: following debian package naming convention for pam, so creating libpam0g, libpam0g-dev, libpam-runtime, libpam-modules ipks |
| 02:15:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:15:54 | TheMasterMind1 | make sure you put the includes in staging |
| 02:16:01 | dlohin | Looks like I am using windows for programs to my Zaurus |
| 02:16:02 | TheMasterMind1 | security/ |
| 02:16:55 | TheMasterMind1 | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/timezones.mk'. Stop. |
| 02:16:59 | TheMasterMind1 | what's with that? |
| 02:17:09 | kergoth_ | dunno |
| 02:17:15 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 02:17:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:17:20 | TheMasterMind1 | its trying to make all the Depends |
| 02:17:25 | TheMasterMind1 | but opie makes timezones |
| 02:17:29 | kergoth_ | dont put timezones in Depends, cause Depends is what other .mk's to build |
| 02:17:33 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 02:17:37 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i do it then |
| 02:17:42 | kergoth_ | so put it in CoreDepends |
| 02:17:48 | kergoth_ | i knew there was a reason for that cruft |
| 02:17:50 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 02:17:56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:18:17 | TheMasterMind1 | ingenious |
| 02:18:33 | cwilkins | Good grief this new sd card driver is sloooooooow! |
| 02:19:05 | cwilkins | On the plus side, it doesn't trash the filesystem... |
| 02:19:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ...? |
| 02:19:26 | TheMasterMind1 | the driver is slower? |
| 02:19:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think so |
| 02:19:45 | TheMasterMind1 | Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-base: |
| 02:19:45 | TheMasterMind1 | qt-embedded (>=2.3.3) |
| 02:19:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg: /zaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/ipks/qt-embedded_*.ipk: No such file or directory |
| 02:19:56 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:20:08 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg: /zaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/ipks/kernel-modules_*.ipk: No such file or directory |
| 02:20:36 | cwilkins | TheMasterMind1: This is sharp_mmcsd module off the Japan site |
| 02:20:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:21:00 | TheMasterMind1 | as oppposed to? |
| 02:21:08 | cwilkins | And a Sandisk 128mb :b |
| 02:21:08 | TheMasterMind1 | there is but one sd driver |
| 02:21:16 | TheMasterMind1 | just different versions of it |
| 02:21:22 | cwilkins | as opposed to stock rom v2.37 |
| 02:21:39 | TheMasterMind1 | its the same driver, just a different version |
| 02:21:48 | cwilkins | right, just different (unspecified) versions... |
| 02:21:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ why am i missing kernel modules and qte |
| 02:21:54 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 02:22:10 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: are the ipks in sources/ipks? |
| 02:23:28 | cwilkins | TheMasterMind1: when it takes a solid 2 seconds apiece to unpack a few hundred header files, *thats* slow. |
| 02:24:06 | TheMasterMind1 | ./mkipks: /zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/opie/qt/qt-embedded.control: No such file: /zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/qtopia-sdk/qt-2.3.3/lib/libqte.so.2.3.3 |
| 02:24:29 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: oh, hold up, i've got a patch for you to apply to the qt-2.3.3 build |
| 02:24:31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ yes all the ipks are in sources/ipks except a qte and kernel_modules one |
| 02:24:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:24:50 | TheMasterMind1 | what about my kernel modules |
| 02:24:53 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: for kernel-modules, if ti got removed, you'll have to rm -rf build/stamps/kernel* and rebuild the kernel |
| 02:25:26 | TheMasterMind1 | but i didn't remove it.. |
| 02:25:30 | TheMasterMind1 | its just not there |
| 02:26:46 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme try to recompile |
| 02:27:17 | kergoth_ | okay almost done with pam |
| 02:27:19 | kergoth_ | finally |
| 02:27:19 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:27:27 | TheMasterMind1 | tell me when you're done with that and the qte patch |
| 02:30:30 | kergoth_ | k sources/patch-qt-2.3.3-version.gz is in cvs |
| 02:30:36 | ljp | man.. that pam. .she really takes it a long time, eh? ;) |
| 02:30:49 | kergoth_ | that'll make it name the libqt to libqte.so.2.3.3 instead of libqte.so.2.3.2 |
| 02:30:58 | kergoth_ | ljp: she was a bitch at first, but she came around, they always do |
| 02:31:00 | kergoth_ | heheh |
| 02:32:04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm, i apply this on the qt tree? |
| 02:32:10 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 02:32:20 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:32:22 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: its being named wrong in qt-2.3.3/lib/ |
| 02:32:30 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: that patch will make it name it correctly |
| 02:32:44 | kergoth_ | whew the pam headers and libs are in staging.. |
| 02:32:53 | kergoth_ | now to clean up the ipks a bit, then i'll commit |
| 02:33:22 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: hey we'll be able to test out opie-login now, actually get opie running as a nonroot user. thatll be nifyt |
| 02:34:53 | kergoth_ | hey tim |
| 02:36:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:36:16 | TheMasterMind1 | patched.. compiling |
| 02:37:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ ive had to install a lot of stuff periodically to keep the buildroot continuing.. its easy with apt-get.. like uic openobex tmake rpm2cpio etc |
| 02:38:10 | kergoth_ | hmm |
| 02:38:11 | kergoth_ | k |
| 02:38:12 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't have the buildroot download and compile everything |
| 02:38:12 | kergoth_ | we'll have to fix that eventually |
| 02:38:22 | TheMasterMind1 | like, i didn't have wget to begin with either |
| 02:38:26 | TheMasterMind1 | or gcc or g++ or make |
| 02:38:33 | kergoth_ | yeah, some things we have to depend on |
| 02:38:37 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 02:38:50 | kergoth_ | but like tmake for example should be part of the buildroot just cause its small and easy and we dont even have to compile it |
| 02:38:52 | kergoth_ | uic perhaps |
| 02:38:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:38:58 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:39:07 | kergoth_ | openobex is already part of hte buildroot, but i need to patch its configure script so it doesnt depend on the desktop |
| 02:39:08 | TheMasterMind1 | the tmake sources are in sources/qtopia-sdk/ |
| 02:39:20 | TheMasterMind1 | openobex wanted openobex-config |
| 02:39:25 | TheMasterMind1 | which i had to install via a debian package |
| 02:40:38 | ljp | debian?!? thats inconcievable! |
| 02:40:48 | TheMasterMind1 | Enjoy! - the Trolltech team |
| 02:41:17 | kergoth_ | ljp: "You keep using that word, are you sure it means what you think it means?" (The Princess Bride) |
| 02:41:27 | ljp | hahaha I love that movvie |
| 02:41:38 | kergoth_ | yeh, classic |
| 02:41:43 | kergoth_ | funny as hell too |
| 02:41:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp have you actually installed/tried/used debian? |
| 02:42:09 | ljp | I tried installing it once.. |
| 02:42:18 | ljp | pooped |
| 02:42:22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:42:48 | ljp | I just installed gentoo on my main dev box |
| 02:43:13 | ljp | nice.. but somewhat of a pain |
| 02:43:32 | TheMasterMind1 | no pain no gain |
| 02:43:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ alright, it worked |
| 02:43:50 | ljp | ya but I have better things to compile than X11 |
| 02:43:51 | TheMasterMind1 | qte that is |
| 02:44:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp apt-get install x-window-system :D |
| 02:44:18 | ljp | ahh thats ok, I am using acceleratedX |
| 02:44:43 | kergoth_ | what the fuck |
| 02:44:47 | kergoth_ | pam broke |
| 02:44:49 | kergoth_ | BITCH |
| 02:44:55 | ljp | seems to work, if I could remember to install the license |
| 02:45:03 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg: /zaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/ipks/irda-common_*.ipk: No such file or directory |
| 02:45:10 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: steal it from familiar |
| 02:45:16 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: i never got around to adding it to the buildroot |
| 02:45:18 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 02:45:25 | ljp | what do you except... its friday evening |
| 02:45:28 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: so i always wget it for a initrd.bin |
| 02:45:35 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 02:45:40 | ljp | pams bound to want to go out to a bar |
| 02:45:46 | kergoth_ | true that |
| 02:45:49 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see |
| 02:45:52 | TheMasterMind1 | where should i put it |
| 02:45:52 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 02:45:55 | TheMasterMind1 | its almost 12am |
| 02:45:59 | kergoth_ | hm, i need a woman. |
| 02:46:00 | ljp | Sugar: make pam a long island ice tea |
| 02:46:00 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to pam. |
| 02:46:01 | TheMasterMind1 | all the cvs datestamps will change |
| 02:46:02 | kergoth_ | yep, definately |
| 02:46:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ where do i wget it from.. the familiar cvs? |
| 02:47:03 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: just grab their ipk |
| 02:47:05 | | somebody said ipkgfind was at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org or at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 02:47:05 | kergoth_ | ibot: ipkgfind |
| 02:48:44 | ljp | just do apt-get wget |
| 02:49:03 | ljp | oh ya apt-get wget-arm |
| 02:49:09 | ljp | maybe |
| 02:49:12 | ljp | heh |
| 02:49:18 | kergoth_ | gah |
| 02:49:49 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: weird ass bug i need to isolate, it packages everything up, but for some odd reason it doenst install the static lib into stagign.. i'll nail it down, gonna grab a soda first. brb |
| 02:49:54 | ljp | someone _really_ need to fix apt-get laid.. cause it _still_ doesnt wprk |
| 02:50:36 | ljp | soda... thats an east coast word |
| 02:50:45 | kergoth_ | yeah, we call it pop here |
| 02:50:52 | kergoth_ | but i call it soda for portability |
| 02:50:54 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 02:50:57 | kergoth_ | brb |
| 02:50:59 | ljp | hahaha |
| 02:51:10 | ljp | I like fizzy drink |
| 02:51:32 | ljp | but no one knows what you are talking about then |
| 02:51:53 | ljp | Sugar: make me a rum and fizzy drink |
| 02:51:57 | Sarge | is that a Willy Wonka term? |
| 02:52:11 | ljp | see.. it stumped sugar |
| 02:52:54 | kergoth_ | fuck |
| 02:52:57 | cranch | no shit |
| 02:52:59 | cranch | FUCK |
| 02:53:01 | kergoth_ | my cell phone has been dead all night |
| 02:53:06 | ljp | hah someones asking for a300 source |
| 02:53:06 | kergoth_ | that explains why no one called me |
| 02:53:08 | kergoth_ | goddamnit |
| 02:53:14 | ljp | haha |
| 02:53:21 | cranch | that sucks |
| 02:53:36 | cranch | is a sinner...cause he flashed back to the SharpROM |
| 02:53:41 | kergoth_ | no kidding. freinds are all like "are you ever gonna pick up the damn phone?" |
| 02:53:44 | ljp | poor kergoth.. had to hack a kernel all night cause his cell phone died |
| 02:53:49 | kergoth_ | and i dont have a land line, so the cell is all their is |
| 02:53:51 | kergoth_ | yeh |
| 02:54:02 | kergoth_ | and spend quality time with pam |
| 02:54:04 | kergoth_ | the bitch |
| 02:54:07 | cranch | who is Pam |
| 02:54:12 | | kergoth_: sorry... |
| 02:54:12 | kergoth_ | ibot: pam |
| 02:54:24 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 02:54:24 | kergoth_ | ibot: pam is Pluggable Authentication Modules |
| 02:54:25 | cwilkins | kergoth_: there was a carload of frisky lingerie models trying to call you earlier |
| 02:54:35 | cranch | hahaha |
| 02:54:37 | kergoth_ | cwilkins: I missed them *again*? |
| 02:54:53 | cranch | When do you expect the new OZ release kergoth>? |
| 02:54:57 | cwilkins | :) |
| 02:55:07 | ljp | weeks |
| 02:55:14 | kergoth_ | cranch: i havent decided |
| 02:55:17 | cranch | :) |
| 02:55:48 | cranch | I flashed cause I liked Opera.... and the way the old menus were setup.... |
| 02:55:54 | cwilkins | is *still* unzipping include files... :/ |
| 02:56:14 | kergoth_ | cranch: 2.4.7 is functional, but we need more testing... pam is nearly finished, which means we can do the run opie as a nonroot user dealy |
| 02:56:41 | kergoth_ | and I got much farther with the 2.5.latest kernel tonight |
| 02:56:44 | cranch | sweet |
| 02:56:56 | kergoth_ | i'd like to get most of it done this weekend if i can, we'll see |
| 02:57:14 | cranch | thats cool |
| 02:57:15 | cranch | ;) |
| 02:57:15 | kergoth_ | okay break time, gonna read a book for a bit, bbl to code some more (who needs sleep anyway/) |
| 02:57:26 | cranch | getting all the installed apps in mtdram out of the Doc's tab?> |
| 02:57:27 | cranch | haha |
| 02:57:56 | kergoth_ | i've got enough projects without taking on the docs tab |
| 02:57:58 | kergoth_ | ;) |
| 02:58:00 | kergoth_ | bbl |
| 02:58:12 | cranch | later |
| 02:58:12 | deathmint|pc | testing on 2.4.7 or the 2.5x stuff? |
| 02:58:25 | cranch | 2.4.7 I think |
| 03:01:17 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.4.7 needs testing |
| 03:01:22 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.5.x is a long ways to being done |
| 03:05:25 | KallDrexx | ok going back to sharp rom |
| 03:06:47 | KallDrexx | noooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 03:06:49 | KallDrexx | damnit |
| 03:10:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ opie-login compiled |
| 03:11:18 | myuu | aynone find a good resource on X for the Z |
| 03:11:38 | KallDrexx | arg this is getting more annoying to flash |
| 03:11:54 | myuu | hehe...calculus problem x for the z |
| 03:14:34 | Haldrik | hi everyone |
| 03:14:42 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 03:15:58 | NeoTron | is back (gone 11:47:56) |
| 03:16:29 | Sarge | g'evening |
| 03:16:56 | Haldrik | Hey Sarge |
| 03:17:36 | cdm | hey all. |
| 03:18:27 | NeoTron | yo pople |
| 03:20:17 | KallDrexx | yo |
| 03:20:39 | KallDrexx | i hate sharps' spalsh screen |
| 03:21:12 | myuu | the startup? |
| 03:21:15 | KallDrexx | ya |
| 03:22:05 | Haldrik | Why dont you make yourr own? |
| 03:22:10 | KallDrexx | how? |
| 03:22:20 | KallDrexx | arg rom didn't flash righ |
| 03:22:21 | myuu | check out killfilez |
| 03:22:21 | KallDrexx | righ |
| 03:22:23 | KallDrexx | right |
| 03:22:24 | myuu | theres a link |
| 03:22:24 | KallDrexx | ok |
| 03:24:42 | myuu | argh |
| 03:24:58 | myuu | trying to get into the cli on open zaurus |
| 03:25:26 | Haldrik | Hey, my qwerty keyboard is stuck doing symbols...what's wrong?(Im not holding the Fn key!) |
| 03:25:38 | myuu | hit fn+space |
| 03:25:47 | KallDrexx | great... so sharps' rom is fucked |
| 03:27:00 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 03:27:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i just commited a bunch of stuff to the CVS |
| 03:27:15 | Haldrik | thatjust brings up the unicode select |
| 03:27:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Haldrik FN + Space |
| 03:27:40 | TheMasterMind1 | that will unlock symbol mode |
| 03:28:02 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe FN + /? |
| 03:28:03 | myuu | try fn+/ |
| 03:28:07 | myuu | ya |
| 03:28:52 | Haldrik | got it thnx... (boy for a sec i thought it was warranty time) |
| 03:29:16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:29:36 | TheMasterMind1 | so who wants the latest opie/oz goodness |
| 03:29:39 | TheMasterMind1 | freshly compiled |
| 03:29:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 03:30:18 | Sarge | do tell |
| 03:30:20 | myuu | master mind...do you know how to get into the cli and skip opie in oz? |
| 03:30:48 | TheMasterMind1 | cli...? |
| 03:30:52 | myuu | command line |
| 03:30:57 | Sarge | command line interface |
| 03:31:05 | TheMasterMind1 | skip opie? |
| 03:31:06 | TheMasterMind1 | what do you mean |
| 03:31:20 | myuu | i mean no gui |
| 03:31:29 | myuu | just the command line |
| 03:31:31 | TheMasterMind1 | like during bootup? |
| 03:31:35 | TheMasterMind1 | or you want to kill it |
| 03:31:37 | myuu | like hitting '/' on qpe |
| 03:31:43 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 03:31:45 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure |
| 03:31:53 | TheMasterMind1 | the / might work |
| 03:32:56 | myuu | doesnt |
| 03:33:05 | myuu | want x =( |
| 03:35:35 | | op2 is, like, opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 03:35:35 | KallDrexx | ibot op2 |
| 03:36:18 | myuu | argh |
| 03:36:30 | myuu | snes9x wants x running =( |
| 03:36:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ... |
| 03:36:47 | | snes is at http://www.wpi.edu/~bradford/sa-snes9x/index.html |
| 03:36:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot snes |
| 03:36:54 | TheMasterMind1 | read that? |
| 03:37:01 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'snes'. |
| 03:37:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search zsi for snes |
| 03:37:10 | myuu | roflmao |
| 03:37:31 | myuu | "The memory smacks of shortage, please save data" |
| 03:38:22 | myuu | loe that |
| 03:38:35 | myuu | *love |
| 03:41:58 | KallDrexx | um... |
| 03:42:02 | KallDrexx | ok someone help me please |
| 03:42:05 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 03:42:13 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 03:42:25 | KallDrexx | whe nI flash the sharp rom now... it keeps telling me that the root password is garbeled |
| 03:42:28 | KallDrexx | and gives me lots of errors |
| 03:42:54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm/ |
| 03:43:10 | TheMasterMind1 | the sharp rom sucks? |
| 03:43:13 | TheMasterMind1 | that's all i heard |
| 03:43:14 | KallDrexx | just tried 2 different ROMIMAGE |
| 03:43:25 | TheMasterMind1 | what does it say/do? |
| 03:43:26 | KallDrexx | that may be but I still was getting annoyed at oz |
| 03:43:30 | KallDrexx | here's the boot process |
| 03:44:51 | KallDrexx | couldnt' find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... Could this be a zero-length partition? ext2fs_check_if_mount: no such file or directory while determining whether /dev/mtdblock1 is mounted e2fsck: attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/mtdblock1 then it gives me |
| 03:45:24 | KallDrexx | An error occurred during the file system check. dropping you to a shell. the system will reboot when you leae the shell. /etc/passwd: root password garbled |
| 03:45:30 | KallDrexx | then it brings me to a shell |
| 03:47:12 | KallDrexx | any idea? |
| 03:47:45 | | i think x is a generic standard. Maybe you mean Xfree86. |
| 03:47:45 | myuu | ibot x |
| 03:47:56 | | xfree86 is at http://www.xfree86.org |
| 03:47:56 | myuu | ibot xfree86 |
| 03:47:59 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx hmm, login to shell? |
| 03:48:01 | myuu | love the bot |
| 03:48:03 | TheMasterMind1 | and try changing your pass |
| 03:48:45 | KallDrexx | passwd[52]: an error occurred updating the password file |
| 03:48:58 | KallDrexx | mind sneding me the initrd.bin again :D |
| 03:49:47 | TheMasterMind1 | oz? |
| 03:49:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i just made a new one, testing it out |
| 03:50:04 | KallDrexx | yeah i guess i have to go back to oz |
| 03:50:15 | TheMasterMind1 | with bleeding edge opie LD |
| 03:50:17 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 03:50:24 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 03:50:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | which doesn't seem to start |
| 03:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:50:51 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 03:50:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm stuck in console |
| 03:51:01 | KallDrexx | mind sending me a working initrd.bin =P |
| 03:51:16 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure if i still have it |
| 03:51:23 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, its on my cf |
| 03:52:55 | phatcat | what's going on |
| 03:53:01 | phatcat | i just got my 5000d |
| 03:53:18 | KallDrexx | cool |
| 03:53:23 | phatcat | does anyone how i could format my CF on mac os X? |
| 03:53:58 | phatcat | or can give me a decent link to fdisk? |
| 03:55:32 | Sarge | mkfs.<filesystem> ? |
| 03:56:14 | Sarge | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml |
| 03:57:06 | Sarge | ...si that what you're asking phatcat? |
| 03:57:10 | Sarge | *is |
| 03:57:20 | phatcat | maybe |
| 03:57:21 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: so can you send it to me? |
| 03:57:24 | phatcat | i'll try it |
| 03:57:35 | Sarge | i went with ext2 on mine |
| 03:58:35 | phatcat | how do i figure out which hda it is? |
| 03:58:44 | phatcat | sorry i'm a little new to the unix commands |
| 03:58:45 | myuu | anyone have a good link on how to setup x? |
| 03:59:14 | Sarge | sd or cf card? |
| 03:59:26 | phatcat | both actually |
| 03:59:42 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx i don't have it handy, sorry |
| 04:00:16 | phatcat | it's like disk0s... |
| 04:00:18 | myuu | =( |
| 04:00:29 | Sarge | cf is /dev/hda1 |
| 04:00:41 | phatcat | no no on os x |
| 04:00:50 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:00:55 | TheMasterMind1 | i got this new rom working |
| 04:00:57 | myuu | any fs's with x built in? |
| 04:00:57 | TheMasterMind1 | had to make symlinks.. |
| 04:01:07 | myuu | *roms |
| 04:01:18 | Sarge | whatcha' working on TMM1? |
| 04:01:37 | junxster | on the sharp rom, 9 times out of 10 when i go to install a ipk to the SD card, it fails. when i opt to install it to ram, it works. any idea why? does ipkg log to anything? |
| 04:02:01 | myuu | edited ipkg.conf |
| 04:02:04 | myuu | ? |
| 04:02:50 | phatcat | ok oh |
| 04:02:50 | Sarge | i install on RAM and then use Ktrove to move it ( http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=407 ) |
| 04:02:56 | phatcat | i got it |
| 04:03:02 | myuu | argh |
| 04:03:08 | junxster | cool, thanx sarge |
| 04:03:13 | myuu | has anyone in here gotten X to work?! |
| 04:03:23 | Sarge | welcome junxster |
| 04:03:31 | | Sarge: huh? |
| 04:03:31 | Sarge | ibot Ktrove |
| 04:04:17 | myuu | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 04:04:23 | myuu | best place for software |
| 04:04:46 | Sarge | what was the answer phatcat? |
| 04:05:15 | phatcat | well i was doing it backwards |
| 04:05:21 | phatcat | trying to format in os x |
| 04:05:42 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: whenever it's ready just dcc it to me please :) |
| 04:06:21 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 04:06:22 | VerxHome | you around? |
| 04:06:36 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx its got problems, you can't use the keyboard.. |
| 04:06:45 | TheMasterMind1 | and opie doesn't start properly |
| 04:06:55 | TheMasterMind1 | silly bleeding edge |
| 04:07:09 | phatcat | amazing, thanks sarge |
| 04:07:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`book |
| 04:07:26 | phatcat | anyone running that enhanced 1.38 version 2 |
| 04:07:38 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 04:07:46 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: so do you have a working one at all? |
| 04:08:16 | | myuu: i'm not following you... |
| 04:08:16 | myuu | ibot roms |
| 04:08:19 | myuu | lol |
| 04:08:30 | myuu | wheres the best place to get custome roms |
| 04:09:09 | Sarge | roms of...? |
| 04:09:23 | phatcat | http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ |
| 04:09:24 | myuu | zaurus roms/fs's |
| 04:11:01 | VerxHome | phatcat: What is enhanced about it? |
| 04:11:29 | phatcat | free's up the ram, why you got something more exciting? |
| 04:11:38 | VerxHome | heh |
| 04:11:40 | phatcat | i'm a little weary about using opie |
| 04:11:41 | VerxHome | yeah, I think so |
| 04:11:45 | VerxHome | I run OZ |
| 04:11:49 | phatcat | cause of the sync problems i hear |
| 04:11:53 | myuu | want a rom with x =C |
| 04:11:54 | VerxHome | I have all 32MB of my 5000d available |
| 04:12:05 | VerxHome | phatcat: It syncs fine now |
| 04:12:17 | phatcat | oh yeah? |
| 04:12:23 | phatcat | well i'm taking baby steps here |
| 04:12:24 | VerxHome | well |
| 04:12:25 | VerxHome | let me clarify |
| 04:12:30 | VerxHome | I use outlook |
| 04:12:35 | VerxHome | and intellisync syncs to it flawless |
| 04:12:43 | VerxHome | sorry, but I don't know about anything other than outlook |
| 04:12:57 | phatcat | well then better stick to the commercial stuff |
| 04:13:07 | phatcat | besides i'd rather have opera and the java stuff |
| 04:13:51 | VerxHome | I have java on OZ |
| 04:14:02 | VerxHome | and I have to say konqueror blows opera away |
| 04:14:11 | phatcat | hmm... |
| 04:14:21 | VerxHome | regardless |
| 04:14:31 | VerxHome | you should probably get familiar with the sharp rom stuff first |
| 04:14:32 | myuu | =/ |
| 04:14:32 | phatcat | so you have all your ram clear? |
| 04:14:36 | VerxHome | wait until you are very comfortable |
| 04:14:40 | VerxHome | I shore do |
| 04:14:41 | VerxHome | :) |
| 04:14:41 | phatcat | yeah that's what i'm doing |
| 04:14:45 | myuu | opera ownz konqueror on my desktop |
| 04:15:00 | VerxHome | on the desktop I agree myuu |
| 04:15:04 | phatcat | taking baby steps |
| 04:15:12 | phatcat | verx, how are you doing that |
| 04:15:24 | phatcat | are you swapping from SD or doing it all on rom |
| 04:15:28 | myuu | ... |
| 04:15:35 | VerxHome | phatcat: Get the "zImage-32" kernel if you have a 5000d or the zImage-64 kernel if you have a 5500 |
| 04:15:45 | VerxHome | I have everything installed to rom/sd/cf |
| 04:15:50 | VerxHome | nothing installed to ramdisk |
| 04:16:03 | phatcat | oh, yeah that's my next step |
| 04:16:07 | phatcat | installing this rom that does that |
| 04:16:20 | myuu | so there isnt a central directory of roms? |
| 04:16:22 | KallDrexx | VerxHome: shoudl i get hte -32 or -26-6? |
| 04:16:39 | VerxHome | KallDrexx: I would recommend the -32 -*IF*- you have an SD or CF card |
| 04:16:45 | VerxHome | if you don't have either, get the -26-6 |
| 04:16:48 | KallDrexx | i have a 256mb CF |
| 04:16:51 | phatcat | i bought this so i could screw around with it during my C programing and Unix class |
| 04:16:53 | VerxHome | then go -32 |
| 04:16:55 | KallDrexx | k |
| 04:17:20 | phatcat | what about text editors? |
| 04:17:25 | phatcat | emacs gonna ever come out? |
| 04:17:33 | VerxHome | phatcat: heh, you can grab jove |
| 04:17:35 | VerxHome | I think it is out |
| 04:17:38 | | ipkgfind is at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org or at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 04:17:38 | VerxHome | ibot, ipkgfind |
| 04:17:41 | VerxHome | search there |
| 04:17:43 | Wembly | ok |
| 04:17:43 | VerxHome | tons of stuff |
| 04:17:45 | Wembly | finally back |
| 04:17:50 | myuu | use pico |
| 04:18:06 | phatcat | pico? |
| 04:18:10 | myuu | ya |
| 04:18:10 | phatcat | no way |
| 04:18:19 | myuu | pico>emacs>vi |
| 04:18:20 | myuu | =P |
| 04:18:23 | myuu | flamebait |
| 04:18:28 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 04:19:30 | phatcat | actually i'll probably install pico |
| 04:20:07 | myuu | you must need a cs degree to use vi =P |
| 04:20:14 | KallDrexx | why? |
| 04:20:20 | phatcat | dude i'm getting a cs degree |
| 04:20:24 | phatcat | and i'll never use vi |
| 04:20:36 | KallDrexx | bah i don't have a CS degree and i use vim all the time |
| 04:20:38 | KallDrexx | loosers |
| 04:20:42 | myuu | just too complex |
| 04:20:53 | phatcat | not too complex |
| 04:20:54 | phatcat | just a pain in the ass |
| 04:21:00 | myuu | *sigh* |
| 04:21:09 | phatcat | especially thumb typing |
| 04:22:27 | myuu | yes! |
| 04:22:31 | myuu | dopewars! |
| 04:22:40 | phatcat | has anyone synced opie and qt? |
| 04:23:02 | W|GGL|T | screw vi |
| 04:23:11 | W|GGL|T | pico is the way |
| 04:23:14 | W|GGL|T | :o) |
| 04:23:38 | phatcat | jove and xjed |
| 04:24:38 | W|GGL|T | i always avoid vi(m) |
| 04:24:44 | KallDrexx | why? |
| 04:24:47 | myuu | jed is pretty nice too! |
| 04:25:02 | W|GGL|T | why use a bigass wrench when all you need is pliers? |
| 04:25:15 | phatcat | amen |
| 04:25:19 | phatcat | that's a good point |
| 04:26:43 | sauruz | hidy from linux topgun |
| 04:26:57 | VerxHome | awesome |
| 04:27:06 | W|GGL|T | there's two Os in goose |
| 04:27:07 | VerxHome | my ebay items are currently selling for $546 |
| 04:27:07 | phatcat | this thing is the coolest thing |
| 04:27:16 | VerxHome | that is some cool Zaurus accessories! |
| 04:27:18 | phatcat | i swear i thought my ibook was cool when i got it |
| 04:27:20 | KallDrexx | errr |
| 04:27:29 | phatcat | yeah ebay |
| 04:27:31 | KallDrexx | just flashed OZ, ac led won't go on |
| 04:27:44 | KallDrexx | oh crap |
| 04:27:45 | phatcat | the guy who sold me my zaurus kept the stylus |
| 04:27:47 | KallDrexx | i know why the rom wasnt' working |
| 04:27:48 | sauruz | we are hacjkking servers |
| 04:27:49 | phatcat | i bet he's selling it right now |
| 04:27:55 | VerxHome | 15 minutes to close on the first auction, and 45 minutes on the last one (I am having 5 auctions) |
| 04:28:02 | KallDrexx | bows his head in shame |
| 04:28:03 | VerxHome | hopes the bids keep going up |
| 04:28:03 | VerxHome | :) |
| 04:28:12 | | hmmm... zwebring is at http://W.webring.com/hub?ring=zaurussl5x00webr |
| 04:28:12 | W|GGL|T | ibot zwebring |
| 04:28:45 | sauruz | hiedy sez hi |
| 04:29:20 | W|GGL|T | why'd he keep the stylus? |
| 04:29:38 | phatcat | well i don't have it |
| 04:29:48 | phatcat | nor the screen protector |
| 04:30:03 | phatcat | and since sharp doesn't sell replacement styluses yet |
| 04:30:19 | phatcat | i guess he figured he could make a few extra $ off of one |
| 04:30:42 | phatcat | he's probably in here right now laughing at me |
| 04:30:43 | W|GGL|T | i can't believe they haven't stocked styli yet |
| 04:30:52 | angry | heh |
| 04:30:58 | myuu | still nothing....no one has any links for X roms |
| 04:31:01 | W|GGL|T | that's one of the first things people do with PDAs...lose the stylus |
| 04:31:03 | angry | i'll sell my stylus for $150 |
| 04:31:07 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:31:20 | W|GGL|T | has a pack of handspring styli |
| 04:31:39 | KallDrexx | $100 for mine |
| 04:31:41 | W|GGL|T | nice ones too...not that plastic shit |
| 04:31:41 | phatcat | yeah what's up with that? |
| 04:31:50 | phatcat | sharp's missing the big picture |
| 04:31:55 | W|GGL|T | brb...beer time |
| 04:32:03 | phatcat | nah, i got one that's a blue and black pen too |
| 04:32:06 | myuu | *sigh* |
| 04:33:54 | VerxHome | anyone here purchased an extra cradle for their Z? |
| 04:36:06 | phatcat | no but i'd sure like some styli |
| 04:39:09 | VerxHome | heh |
| 04:39:16 | VerxHome | I never use my Z stylus |
| 04:39:23 | VerxHome | I have only ever used it to reset the Z |
| 04:39:25 | VerxHome | nothing else |
| 04:39:26 | VerxHome | ever |
| 04:41:36 | VerxHome | 1 minute to my first auction closing |
| 04:45:30 | oGMo | i broke my stylus tip the first day |
| 04:45:53 | oGMo | so i got this overpriced metal 3-function pen, which is kinda nice |
| 04:47:24 | phatcat | yeah i got the pen |
| 04:47:28 | phatcat | it's pretty cool |
| 04:47:36 | VerxHome | is this a pen that fits in the Z? |
| 04:47:39 | phatcat | probably will either lose it or never use it as apen |
| 04:47:41 | phatcat | no |
| 04:48:22 | oGMo | VerxHome: not by far |
| 04:48:37 | oGMo | phatcat: cool.. i use mine as a pen all the time, but never as a pencik |
| 04:48:42 | oGMo | or even a pencil |
| 04:48:44 | alex1241551`4 | does tkcvideo work better than opieplayer2 |
| 04:48:57 | phatcat | i didn't want to get one that was a pencil |
| 04:49:04 | phatcat | so i got the one that's two different color pens |
| 04:49:16 | myuu | no one gives mplayer any credit |
| 04:49:17 | phatcat | any canes fans in here? |
| 04:49:17 | oGMo | phatcat: cool |
| 04:49:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`book |
| 04:49:42 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 04:49:43 | oGMo | i like to doodle sometimes when things are boring, and i like to shade with a pencil |
| 04:49:46 | phatcat | mplayer's pretty good |
| 04:49:49 | oGMo | (read: meeting "notes" ;) |
| 04:50:10 | alex1241551`4 | myuu: i tried it and it stunk! i love mplayer and mencoder on my linux box but on the z i ran it from the termianl and i could see the terminal numbers instead of the video |
| 04:50:18 | phatcat | i put in a little "shake that @$$ bi..ch" and it sounded almost as good as my ipod |
| 04:50:28 | oGMo | myuu: i use mplayer on my main box to watch divx, i wish it had more fine-tuned skipping features though |
| 04:50:36 | myuu | boot into terminal instead of qpe |
| 04:50:40 | myuu | thatll do it |
| 04:50:44 | oGMo | like i could jump to HH:MM:SS.FF or framestep |
| 04:50:53 | alex1241551`4 | myuu: i guess i never tried that |
| 04:50:55 | myuu | ya, i use xine here |
| 04:51:01 | alex1241551`4 | myuu: on z |
| 04:51:14 | myuu | xine at hone |
| 04:51:21 | myuu | mplayer on the zaurus |
| 04:51:22 | alex1241551`4 | oh |
| 04:52:29 | myuu | i was surprised mplayer was flawless |
| 04:52:37 | cdm | mplayer have a fixed point mode? |
| 04:52:44 | myuu | watched the 1st episode of the new tenchi on it |
| 04:52:47 | | i heard mplayer was at http://mplayer.dev.hu/homepage/ or at http://kirk.math.twsu.edu/family/james/mplayer.html |
| 04:52:47 | alex1241551`4 | ibot mplayer |
| 04:53:19 | alex1241551`4 | myuu: fine ill try it again. from the shell |
| 04:53:27 | myuu | yup |
| 04:53:56 | alex1241551`4 | it needs to be updated to pre6 |
| 04:54:02 | alex1241551`4 | its pre5 right now |
| 04:54:55 | myuu | mobilix.org/pda_linux_xscale.html |
| 04:55:59 | myuu | its ugly |
| 04:56:08 | cdm | what is ugly? |
| 04:56:20 | myuu | successor to the 5500 |
| 04:56:24 | angry | is away: night |
| 04:56:29 | myuu | clie rip off |
| 04:56:37 | TheMasterMind1 | the a300 is ugly |
| 04:56:41 | TheMasterMind1 | but the japanese like small stuff |
| 04:56:49 | myuu | lol |
| 04:57:08 | cdm | it isn't the successor per-se. |
| 04:57:13 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 04:57:14 | cdm | it is the PDA released in Japan. |
| 04:57:26 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 04:57:31 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid opie |
| 04:58:42 | myuu | stupid X |
| 05:01:20 | | I haven't seen 'grancho', TheMasterMind1 |
| 05:01:20 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen grancho |
| 05:01:30 | VerxHome | groucho you mean? |
| 05:01:36 | VerxHome | :) |
| 05:01:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ya |
| 05:01:48 | TheMasterMind1 | grancho guardo |
| 05:01:50 | TheMasterMind1 | i was getting there |
| 05:01:55 | VerxHome | wow, ebay people bid a ton more money in the last seconds |
| 05:02:00 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome yes |
| 05:02:05 | TheMasterMind1 | 3/4 of them pay more than retail |
| 05:02:07 | TheMasterMind1 | its great |
| 05:02:12 | TheMasterMind1 | they're so stupid |
| 05:02:13 | VerxHome | I mean, one of my items went up $100 in the LAST SECOND |
| 05:02:18 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 05:03:03 | VerxHome | you know what gets me tho |
| 05:03:12 | TheMasterMind1 | opie is pissing me off |
| 05:03:22 | VerxHome | 3 days ago I was pissed cuz I didn't have the cash to buy myself a wireless CF card |
| 05:03:38 | VerxHome | (I am on a hella major budget doing double car and double house payments each month) |
| 05:03:52 | oGMo | and now you're rolling in the bucks? |
| 05:03:55 | VerxHome | so I got a wild burr up my arse and decided to "see if some crap would sell) |
| 05:04:14 | VerxHome | looks like I am gonna get more than $600 |
| 05:04:24 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone compiled opie from cvs lately? |
| 05:04:24 | oGMo | not bad ;) |
| 05:04:27 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 05:04:39 | W|GGL|T | as long as they pay up |
| 05:04:40 | VerxHome | especially considering I have NOT used a single thing I am selling in over 3 years |
| 05:04:40 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 05:04:41 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 05:04:44 | TheMasterMind1 | 600 bucks |
| 05:04:48 | TheMasterMind1 | what're you seeling |
| 05:04:50 | TheMasterMind1 | selling |
| 05:04:58 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: All these people have really good "approval ratings" |
| 05:05:04 | VerxHome | like several hundred |
| 05:05:09 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 05:05:23 | TheMasterMind1 | grr. did kergoth fall asleep? |
| 05:06:03 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 4 hours, 9 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: you need libuuid itself in staging/usr/lib, and uuid.h in staging/usr/include/uuid/ [Sat Sep 7 01:56:05 2002] |
| 05:06:03 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen kergoth |
| 05:06:21 | | I haven't seen 'kergoth`book', W|GGL|T |
| 05:06:21 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen kergoth`book |
| 05:06:34 | TheMasterMind1 | he said he was going to go read a book 2 hours ago |
| 05:06:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to know what's up with opie |
| 05:06:56 | TheMasterMind1 | is this a new problem or something standard that can be fixed |
| 05:07:12 | oGMo | what's hte problem? |
| 05:07:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i compiled opie/qt from cvs/2.3.3 |
| 05:07:40 | TheMasterMind1 | first, opie didn't start, couldn't find the libs |
| 05:07:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i symlinked the libs into /lib |
| 05:07:55 | TheMasterMind1 | now it starts up but when i use the keyboard, it types on the console |
| 05:07:59 | TheMasterMind1 | and screws up the display |
| 05:08:21 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1, i'm not sure exactly how you're doing it, but if the versions have changed, you removed the old ones, right? |
| 05:08:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm using the oz buildroot |
| 05:08:45 | oGMo | if you're reflashing i'd assume they're gone but i'm not sure |
| 05:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | started out fresh |
| 05:08:51 | oGMo | hmm |
| 05:08:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, reflashed the Z |
| 05:09:17 | TheMasterMind1 | might just be something in the CVS, but i dunno since this is the first time i'm compiling running |
| 05:09:30 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe you have to manually copy/symlink them.. still, the keyboard isn't workign |
| 05:09:52 | oGMo | hrmm |
| 05:10:07 | oGMo | it seems odd the libs weren't in the right place |
| 05:10:18 | oGMo | sounds like someone is in the middle of some work or something, heh |
| 05:10:30 | oGMo | but i'm just guessing without much to go on ;) |
| 05:10:32 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe |
| 05:10:39 | TheMasterMind1 | they were in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib |
| 05:10:42 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't seem that weird |
| 05:10:48 | TheMasterMind1 | libopie libqte and libqpe |
| 05:10:51 | oGMo | and /etc/ld.so.conf says what? |
| 05:12:10 | oGMo | that's fucked, /opt/QtPalmtop/lib isn't in the sharp rom ld.so.conf either, i wonder how they find the stuff |
| 05:14:01 | tweek | why do so many apps have a problem installing on the SD card? |
| 05:14:22 | myuu | the program calls an absolute path |
| 05:14:26 | tweek | like, they either segfault, or output a bunch of errors and dont run |
| 05:14:32 | tweek | myuu: what shitty programming |
| 05:14:40 | oGMo | shitty testing |
| 05:15:21 | myuu | ktrove is great for that stuff though |
| 05:15:38 | tweek | ktrove??? |
| 05:15:39 | myuu | but its flaky |
| 05:16:05 | myuu | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=407 |
| 05:16:57 | tweek | myuu: do i need opie installed? |
| 05:17:04 | myuu | opie-sh |
| 05:17:07 | myuu | ya |
| 05:17:15 | tweek | dammit...hmm |
| 05:17:15 | treke|home | oGMo: LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 05:17:42 | tweek | myuu: does it work that well? |
| 05:17:43 | oGMo | treke|home: ah, kinda silly imo |
| 05:18:18 | tweek | also, why does SO much stuff show up in my Documents tab when i install stuff to SD card? |
| 05:18:22 | treke|home | oGMo: I guess. |
| 05:18:30 | treke|home | tweek: It scans your SD card for files |
| 05:19:05 | tweek | the whole thing??/ |
| 05:19:14 | oGMo | tweek: stuff under Documents/ |
| 05:19:19 | oGMo | i.e. anything you put there |
| 05:19:54 | VerxHome | well now |
| 05:20:01 | treke|home | tweek: Yes, I believe it scans the whole thing |
| 05:20:02 | VerxHome | what can $600 buy me in Zaurus equipment |
| 05:20:07 | VerxHome | starts looking for stuff |
| 05:20:07 | VerxHome | :) |
| 05:20:23 | treke|home | VerxHome: sell your 500d and buy a 5500 :) |
| 05:20:32 | oGMo | VerxHome: yeah |
| 05:20:35 | VerxHome | well, I could, but I don't see a need right now |
| 05:20:41 | VerxHome | 32MB of RAM seems enough so far |
| 05:20:43 | oGMo | get a 5500 if you don't have one, 64 is way better than 32 |
| 05:20:59 | VerxHome | I know from having my 3850 that the 64MB was very nice |
| 05:21:03 | VerxHome | let me fast load more things |
| 05:21:20 | VerxHome | what do the 5500's go for these days |
| 05:21:27 | VerxHome | checks buy.com and newegg.com |
| 05:21:30 | oGMo | what's sad is that i used to run Enlightenment on a slower box with less ram than my Z has |
| 05:21:37 | oGMo | VerxHome: $300 if you're lucky |
| 05:22:49 | myuu | love e! thats what i use |
| 05:23:06 | oGMo | VerxHome: well maybe save your money if you don't have the need |
| 05:23:08 | oGMo | i dunno |
| 05:23:18 | VerxHome | well, thing is |
| 05:23:22 | oGMo | myuu: i don't anymore since it's dead, but back in the day it was great |
| 05:23:27 | NeoTron | Hyperspace Delivery Boy runs (slowly)! :P |
| 05:23:35 | myuu | ya but so is be |
| 05:23:38 | myuu | lol =P |
| 05:24:45 | treke|home | oGMo: Wouldnt call it dead quite yet :) |
| 05:24:50 | treke|home | oGMo: just bleeding badly |
| 05:25:08 | oGMo | treke|home: they officially said e17 was dead, i'd call that dead |
| 05:25:14 | VerxHome | it looks like I can sell my 5000d on ebay for around $200 or so |
| 05:25:15 | treke|home | oGMo: oh? when? |
| 05:25:17 | oGMo | or at least "on really deep ice" |
| 05:25:19 | VerxHome | what I wish |
| 05:25:29 | oGMo | treke|home: awhile ago |
| 05:25:29 | VerxHome | was for ebay to let you search for what things have sold for in the past |
| 05:25:33 | myuu | i just got my 5000 w/ a wireless for 240 |
| 05:25:57 | oGMo | ask raster when he's around i guess, i KNOW he's working on evas and stuff of course |
| 05:26:00 | VerxHome | myuu: Yeah, I can bundle my 5000d with a 256MB CF card and a 128MB CF card fairly painlessly |
| 05:26:21 | oGMo | lots of people still use 0.16.x |
| 05:26:25 | Wembly | verxhome: your selling a zaurus? |
| 05:26:36 | treke|home | oGMo: I know raster said he wasnt working on it, but that doesnt mean noone is :) Last update was 2 weeks ago |
| 05:26:43 | VerxHome | Wembly: Possibly |
| 05:26:48 | VerxHome | depends on what I can get for it |
| 05:26:53 | Wembly | heheh |
| 05:26:55 | VerxHome | I am possibly selling a 5000d |
| 05:27:03 | Wembly | herm. |
| 05:27:04 | oGMo | treke|home: hrm, i recall he told us no one was working on it, if so, nifty |
| 05:27:05 | myuu | run it as a server |
| 05:27:07 | VerxHome | it is only 2 weeks old |
| 05:27:15 | Wembly | wish i had $200 to pay for it. |
| 05:27:27 | Wembly | verx: why ya sellin it? |
| 05:27:31 | VerxHome | well |
| 05:27:34 | VerxHome | I just fell into $600 |
| 05:27:39 | Wembly | getting outa Z stuffs or buying a 5500? |
| 05:27:40 | VerxHome | so I am prolly gonna buy a 5500 |
| 05:27:48 | Wembly | spiffy |
| 05:27:54 | Junxster | irc from the backyard, on the z is fun. just a little too cold... |
| 05:27:58 | Wembly | wish i could just fall into $600 |
| 05:28:02 | myuu | i miss the yopy |
| 05:28:11 | VerxHome | well |
| 05:28:23 | VerxHome | now that I know how easy it is to sell stuff on ebay |
| 05:28:25 | | i guess zic is zic.sourceforge.net or an irc client |
| 05:28:25 | Junxster | ibot : zic |
| 05:28:32 | VerxHome | I am gonna sell a bunch more stuff for prolly another $1000 |
| 05:28:41 | VerxHome | didn't know it was this easy to make money |
| 05:28:41 | VerxHome | :) |
| 05:28:51 | oGMo | heh |
| 05:29:00 | myuu | lol |
| 05:29:02 | oGMo | VerxHome: hopefully you'll get it |
| 05:29:12 | treke|home | hehe if i was coming into 1600 bucks I'd be upgrading to a 3900 :) |
| 05:29:20 | myuu | helps having a job |
| 05:29:25 | oGMo | treke|home: 3900? |
| 05:29:33 | oGMo | myuu: yes isn't it wonderful? ;) |
| 05:29:40 | myuu | ya |
| 05:29:42 | Junxster | work sucks, cash is good.... |
| 05:29:52 | VerxHome | 3900 |
| 05:29:53 | myuu | ya same here |
| 05:29:53 | VerxHome | nah |
| 05:29:54 | oGMo | work only sucks if you have a sucky job |
| 05:30:00 | VerxHome | treke: Why would you do that? |
| 05:30:06 | myuu | isdn support |
| 05:30:13 | myuu | part time hs job |
| 05:30:44 | treke|home | VerxHome: actually I probably wouldnt :) But having a 400mhz, optimized for xscale pda is tempting :) |
| 05:30:48 | Junxster | not true, unemployment rocked. it was the no paychech that sucked. :) |
| 05:30:58 | VerxHome | treke: Yes and no |
| 05:31:10 | VerxHome | the problem is the form factor |
| 05:31:22 | VerxHome | if I went to a 3900, I would need to do the whole sleeve thing again |
| 05:31:27 | VerxHome | that is where the Z kicks the ipaq's ass |
| 05:32:09 | myuu | but your gonna lose a lot between xscale and strongarm |
| 05:32:52 | treke|home | VerxHome: we'll see when the next zaurus comes out |
| 05:32:53 | not_hat | im trying to install OZ, when I do the full reset, the green and yellow lights come on a sec, then turn off, and the zaurus wont do anything. |
| 05:33:32 | not_hat | anybody know what im doing wrong here? downloaded all three files (initrd, zimage, bootflag) and put on CF card |
| 05:33:44 | NeoTron | VerxHome: or you can donate it to Eon Games. :-P |
| 05:34:18 | treke|home | or you could sell it to eon games cheap :) |
| 05:34:42 | NeoTron | btw, you might want to wait - I don't know when the next model will come out but I think i'll be better. :P |
| 05:35:02 | Junxster | does opera on the z support javascript? |
| 05:35:19 | VerxHome | NeoTron: I actually plan on donating some to eongames |
| 05:35:25 | treke|home | if it happens to be in the a300 formfactor I'd be all over it :) |
| 05:35:27 | oGMo | not_hat: is it FAT? are they named right? etc. |
| 05:35:31 | sj-laptop | Junxster: Yes, it does |
| 05:35:50 | VerxHome | NeoTron: Could you tell me the actual object of rocket elite? |
| 05:35:56 | VerxHome | I mean |
| 05:36:00 | NeoTron | treke|home: that I doubt unfortunately |
| 05:36:01 | VerxHome | you land this thing |
| 05:36:02 | VerxHome | to get points |
| 05:36:06 | VerxHome | and you rescue astronauts |
| 05:36:08 | NeoTron | VerxHome: complete the missions on each lieve |
| 05:36:13 | VerxHome | but why do you land in 50 places? |
| 05:36:13 | NeoTron | level even |
| 05:36:15 | Junxster | ok.thx. wondering why onebox.com dont work... |
| 05:36:18 | treke|home | NeoTron: I know. The sharp guys have said the keyboard is popular |
| 05:36:20 | VerxHome | when you are supposed to rescue the astronauts? |
| 05:36:28 | NeoTron | why you land? points or because mission says so |
| 05:36:36 | VerxHome | heh |
| 05:36:37 | NeoTron | on the moon level you are supposed to rescue them yes |
| 05:36:42 | treke|home | VerxHome: the point of rocket elite is to be fricken hard |
| 05:36:43 | NeoTron | and that's the only objective there |
| 05:36:44 | not_hat | oGMo: it is fat, they are named corretly. only thing i can think of is my zImage is from 2.9.4 and my initrd is from 2.9.5.5, which doesn't appear to have any of its own zimages. |
| 05:37:01 | oGMo | not_hat: hrm, got me |
| 05:37:11 | VerxHome | NeoTron: I was unfortunately in the middle of receiving an oggling my 5000d when you did the beta test on rocket elite |
| 05:37:14 | NeoTron | Dang it I want HDB to get to a state so I Can exit it nicely so I can check out the profile data |
| 05:37:16 | VerxHome | so I apologize in not helping more |
| 05:37:30 | NeoTron | no problem |
| 05:37:37 | NeoTron | beta testing isn't obligatory. :) |
| 05:37:41 | VerxHome | NeoTron: Did you try my stuff about putting qdialogs into applications? |
| 05:37:46 | VerxHome | qtapps I mean |
| 05:37:46 | Junxster | oh, typed password wrong. wireless Z rox. |
| 05:37:54 | NeoTron | VerxHome: hmm? |
| 05:38:35 | VerxHome | QMainWindow instead of QDialog as your toplevel class |
| 05:38:42 | VerxHome | have you tried that? |
| 05:38:51 | VerxHome | using the stuff I showed you a few days ago? |
| 05:39:11 | NeoTron | I don't use QDialog as my main window except in zFurby |
| 05:39:16 | NeoTron | oh |
| 05:39:17 | NeoTron | no |
| 05:39:21 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 05:39:21 | NeoTron | I haven't looked at zfurby. :P |
| 05:39:28 | NeoTron | too busy with other stuff |
| 05:39:37 | VerxHome | heh |
| 05:39:38 | VerxHome | ok |
| 05:39:47 | NeoTron | zfurby is the only one that uses it and I haven't done anything with it since |
| 05:39:48 | VerxHome | I thought your other apps had qdialogs as their toplevel class |
| 05:39:53 | VerxHome | okies |
| 05:40:03 | NeoTron | no, they use qwidget or qmainwindow |
| 05:40:15 | VerxHome | ok |
| 05:40:15 | VerxHome | well |
| 05:40:26 | VerxHome | your new rocket elite doesn't have the icon problems of things before |
| 05:40:36 | VerxHome | and if it wasn't $20 I would buy it |
| 05:40:38 | VerxHome | heh |
| 05:40:46 | NeoTron | Hrm. I haven't released any apps that has the fix in them yet afaik |
| 05:41:03 | VerxHome | lemme double check it then |
| 05:41:05 | NeoTron | meaning the system() call of the qcop application |
| 05:41:10 | VerxHome | I thought I hadn't rebooted since I ran it |
| 05:41:13 | NeoTron | but I do have a working workaround |
| 05:41:24 | NeoTron | on the ipaq or zaurus? |
| 05:41:28 | VerxHome | Z |
| 05:41:33 | VerxHome | running OZ |
| 05:41:33 | NeoTron | qtopia or OZ? |
| 05:41:43 | NeoTron | because the problem doesn't occur in Sharp's Qtopia |
| 05:41:46 | VerxHome | ok |
| 05:41:52 | VerxHome | candy cruncher has the icon problem |
| 05:41:56 | VerxHome | but rocketelite demo doesn't |
| 05:41:58 | VerxHome | odd |
| 05:42:03 | VerxHome | I wonder what is different |
| 05:42:08 | VerxHome | I just assumed it had your fix in it |
| 05:42:13 | NeoTron | sharp modifications.. |
| 05:42:19 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 05:42:25 | NeoTron | _I_ never had the problem which is why I never bothered with it before |
| 05:43:40 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 05:43:44 | VerxHome | I gotta wonder about this guy |
| 05:43:52 | VerxHome | 0 feedback on ebay |
| 05:43:57 | VerxHome | been a member since 1998 |
| 05:44:06 | VerxHome | but no purchases or sales |
| 05:44:13 | VerxHome | NeoTron: Why is rocketelite so expensive? |
| 05:44:29 | NeoTron | because it's the price of the PPC version and the price I'm asked to use |
| 05:44:32 | treke|home | VerxHome: so? He's probably like me. Tried buying something once, then didnt bother again |
| 05:44:36 | NeoTron | not by choirce |
| 05:44:46 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 05:44:55 | VerxHome | seems like a pretty cool game |
| 05:44:56 | NeoTron | I'd sell it for somewhat less myself |
| 05:45:07 | VerxHome | one of my faves on the palm was a thing called lunar lander |
| 05:45:17 | VerxHome | same concept, but in its very most simple form |
| 05:45:25 | VerxHome | you would laugh hard if you saw it after rocket elite |
| 05:45:25 | VerxHome | :) |
| 05:45:30 | myuu | ll was coo |
| 05:45:33 | treke|home | and much easier to play :) |
| 05:45:35 | myuu | space trader owned |
| 05:45:42 | VerxHome | yeah, I used it in meetings ALL the time |
| 05:45:44 | VerxHome | was fun as hell |
| 05:46:02 | treke|home | RE actually hits the much too hard point for me |
| 05:46:33 | VerxHome | well, I haven't played anything but the moon mission |
| 05:46:35 | myuu | i was wondered about there being no equal to power0ne |
| 05:46:36 | VerxHome | treke: How would you rate the moon mission? |
| 05:46:41 | myuu | *worried |
| 05:46:46 | myuu | qplot is great! |
| 05:46:47 | treke|home | VerxHome: Dirt simple :) |
| 05:46:48 | VerxHome | in difficulty I mean |
| 05:46:52 | VerxHome | treke: heh |
| 05:46:53 | VerxHome | so like |
| 05:47:03 | VerxHome | the unsuspecting person plays the demo and says cool |
| 05:47:10 | VerxHome | then they buy the game |
| 05:47:12 | treke|home | its tough because your just getting used to the controls |
| 05:47:13 | VerxHome | and can't get past level 2 |
| 05:47:14 | VerxHome | :) |
| 05:47:20 | NeoTron | not THAT hard |
| 05:47:25 | NeoTron | the first reall hard mission is IO... |
| 05:47:26 | VerxHome | NeoTron: How does the multiplayer work? |
| 05:47:28 | treke|home | Except the point they cant get past is more like 9 :) |
| 05:47:30 | VerxHome | do you see each other? |
| 05:47:35 | VerxHome | what actually happens? |
| 05:47:42 | NeoTron | VerxHome: yes, dual mode. You kill the other guy |
| 05:47:45 | VerxHome | oh wow |
| 05:47:48 | VerxHome | man |
| 05:47:57 | VerxHome | you are very very very VERY likely to get two sales on it then |
| 05:48:04 | VerxHome | I have a friend at work with an iPAQ |
| 05:48:09 | VerxHome | he has been BEGGING for a network game |
| 05:48:20 | VerxHome | that one feature is probably why he gets $20 for it |
| 05:48:38 | VerxHome | NeoTron: Do you kick ass at it when you play? |
| 05:48:40 | treke|home | VerxHome: it sounds like one of the big problems is that you cant save equipment between levels |
| 05:48:46 | NeoTron | Not exactly. :P |
| 05:48:55 | myuu | need an rpg =P |
| 05:48:58 | VerxHome | treke: Yes, but Neo is gonna fix that for me in my personal version |
| 05:49:03 | VerxHome | he promised |
| 05:49:05 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 05:49:06 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 05:49:07 | treke|home | hehe |
| 05:49:18 | NeoTron | I do want it fixed though.. |
| 05:49:27 | VerxHome | NeoTron: I will beta test the fix for ya! |
| 05:49:28 | VerxHome | :) |
| 05:49:31 | NeoTron | ooops |
| 05:49:32 | NeoTron | doooh |
| 05:49:42 | VerxHome | NeoTron: btw, the demo has some issues |
| 05:49:42 | VerxHome | just fyi |
| 05:49:43 | NeoTron | SDL_SaveBMP(lpdd_backbuf, "/tmp/dest.bmp"); |
| 05:49:43 | NeoTron | SDL_SaveBMP(data, "/tmp/source.bmp"); |
| 05:49:43 | NeoTron | } |
| 05:49:48 | NeoTron | smart. no wonder it's slow! |
| 05:49:48 | VerxHome | don't know if you care on the demo |
| 05:50:16 | treke|home | just waits for Neos upcoming stuff |
| 05:50:19 | NeoTron | MUCH better now |
| 05:50:41 | VerxHome | I wanna buy the $40 "every game Neo releases from now on" package |
| 05:50:48 | VerxHome | he said I could buy it for only $20 |
| 05:50:53 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 05:50:56 | NeoTron | it's damn hard for me to do packages |
| 05:51:00 | VerxHome | I know |
| 05:51:03 | NeoTron | because of all the individual dudes |
| 05:51:05 | VerxHome | you have a different owner for each one |
| 05:51:07 | VerxHome | right |
| 05:51:13 | VerxHome | I was totally joking man |
| 05:51:13 | VerxHome | :) |
| 05:51:13 | myuu | anyone get snes9x to work?! |
| 05:51:14 | treke|home | I'll definitly buy HDB, and maybe the motocross game |
| 05:51:20 | VerxHome | myuu: X or Z? |
| 05:51:33 | myuu | is there a z emulator? |
| 05:51:40 | myuu | on the zaurus |
| 05:51:42 | VerxHome | I meant X or Qt |
| 05:51:43 | myuu | yes |
| 05:51:50 | NeoTron | audio is playing positively speedy |
| 05:51:54 | NeoTron | like 2-4x the speed or so |
| 05:51:57 | myuu | is there a QPE version? |
| 05:52:06 | VerxHome | myuu: Not that I am aware of |
| 05:52:10 | ryan_ | what type of battery life have people had with the Z, say if you were using it at about half-backlight most of the time? |
| 05:52:12 | myuu | =( |
| 05:52:24 | VerxHome | the NES emulator for wince was kickass, ran absolutely full speed with full audio no issues |
| 05:52:36 | VerxHome | NeoTron: You know, that is one thing I would actually fund your development of |
| 05:52:39 | VerxHome | if you would be willing |
| 05:52:45 | VerxHome | maybe we could work out a deal. . . |
| 05:52:48 | ryan_ | anyone? |
| 05:52:52 | VerxHome | has no clue what neo's terms are |
| 05:53:17 | myuu | so the only snes emulator for the Z is the one that uses X libs, right |
| 05:53:32 | VerxHome | myuu: To my knowledge, yes |
| 05:53:42 | myuu | gotten it to work? |
| 05:54:19 | treke|home | if there were more scumm games, I'd pay for a scummvm port that would work with some form of virtual keyboard :) |
| 05:54:53 | VerxHome | treke: Works perfect on the Z! |
| 05:54:54 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 05:54:59 | treke|home | hehe |
| 05:55:04 | myuu | =( |
| 05:55:09 | treke|home | that it does |
| 05:55:12 | VerxHome | treke: Actually, on my ipaq, I used the microkeyboard |
| 05:55:15 | VerxHome | worked fine there too |
| 05:55:44 | myuu | ill ask again one last time ust in case ...anyone find a howto for x on the z |
| 05:56:06 | treke|home | I imagine so. Probably the only thing Id use it for though, opie-handwriting==da shit |
| 05:56:47 | VerxHome | treke: I hate opie handwriting personally |
| 05:56:58 | VerxHome | but that is cuz I have used graffiti for like 10 years now |
| 05:57:21 | VerxHome | (not really 10, more like 8 or something - whenever the usrobotics pilot came out - I bought one that day) |
| 05:57:23 | treke|home | VerxHome: thats because you didnt spend a couple hours tweaking it to your liking |
| 05:57:56 | treke|home | sat down with the palmos graffiti reference sheet and remapped most everything |
| 05:58:08 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 05:58:10 | VerxHome | if I did that |
| 05:58:13 | VerxHome | I would probably like it |
| 05:58:20 | VerxHome | but I don't have time for that to be honest |
| 05:58:27 | VerxHome | and besides, I have a keyboard now |
| 05:58:27 | VerxHome | :) |
| 05:58:34 | treke|home | VerxHome: http://treke.net/downloads/graffiti.tgz |
| 05:58:42 | treke|home | I think thats the most recent one |
| 05:58:53 | VerxHome | nah, you prolly hold your pen different than me |
| 05:58:54 | VerxHome | you are lefthanded or something |
| 05:58:56 | treke|home | oh well. to each his own |
| 05:59:00 | VerxHome | that will keep it from working for me |
| 05:59:02 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 05:59:03 | VerxHome | :) |
| 05:59:03 | treke|home | nope I'm a righty :) |
| 05:59:14 | treke|home | I aint no freak :) |
| 05:59:23 | VerxHome | heh |
| 05:59:29 | VerxHome | man, I didn't realize it was midnight already |
| 05:59:30 | VerxHome | lordy |
| 05:59:49 | treke|home | yup. midnight |
| 06:02:53 | VerxHome | life is good |
| 06:03:05 | VerxHome | gets a few things ready for the LAN party tomorrow |
| 06:03:07 | VerxHome | and then goes to bed |
| 06:03:40 | treke|home | that it is |
| 06:14:12 | Junxster | ok. last q, i promise. how do i update busybox.. it's on a ro fs? |
| 06:15:21 | W|GGL|T | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/busybox/busybox.html |
| 06:15:50 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 06:16:01 | Junxster | thx |
| 06:16:47 | saurus_ | hmmm |
| 06:17:13 | myuu[Simpsons] | =\ |
| 06:17:20 | myuu[Simpsons] | not ppm for perl =( |
| 06:17:23 | myuu[Simpsons] | *no |
| 06:17:36 | saurus_ | lol i was at the linux topgun event and the z won.kinda |
| 06:18:00 | myuu[Simpsons] | topgun? |
| 06:18:13 | saurus_ | i got all the deadly packets as they were sent with kismet |
| 06:18:22 | myuu[Simpsons] | oh |
| 06:18:28 | myuu[Simpsons] | wardriving |
| 06:18:38 | saurus_ | url on the way. |
| 06:20:07 | saurus_ | http://www.linuxtopgun.org/ |
| 06:20:31 | saurus_ | i am doind a post mortum now |
| 06:20:32 | Wembly | heheh |
| 06:20:41 | Wembly | needs to learn about such things. |
| 06:20:48 | saurus_ | from my z |
| 06:20:48 | myuu[Simpsons] | same |
| 06:20:58 | saurus_ | kismet rox |
| 06:21:14 | myuu[Simpsons] | altough i found my teacher has an elf sex fetish from kistmet 0_0 |
| 06:21:16 | saurus_ | stores every packet till it runs out of ram |
| 06:21:23 | saurus_ | lol |
| 06:21:24 | Wembly | omg |
| 06:21:41 | saurus_ | elfsex. hmmm |
| 06:21:46 | saurus_ | interesting |
| 06:22:06 | saurus_ | almost like the dolphin sex on kuro5hin.org |
| 06:22:37 | myuu[Simpsons] | i need to get mine on the schools wireless network |
| 06:22:44 | saurus_ | ya |
| 06:22:56 | W|GGL|T | how do you tell kismet to stop logging...i was looking over some files and saw a shitload of logfiles |
| 06:22:56 | saurus_ | wireless everywhere is our motto |
| 06:23:05 | saurus_ | almost done in 78704 |
| 06:23:07 | saurus_ | zip |
| 06:23:48 | saurus_ | you dont, just send it to your linuxbox with the parse proggies |
| 06:23:50 | jmhodges | uh oh.. |
| 06:23:58 | saurus_ | via rsync |
| 06:24:05 | jmhodges | hm.. i built iptables in to my kernel but im getting this message |
| 06:24:06 | jmhodges | iptables v1.2.7a: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 06:24:10 | myuu[Simpsons] | ya but im in bismarck nd...nothing |
| 06:24:19 | myuu[Simpsons] | i wardrove and got nothing |
| 06:24:25 | saurus_ | modprobe nat |
| 06:24:36 | saurus_ | hmmm |
| 06:24:55 | saurus_ | i know a guy in the next state that is doing wireless. |
| 06:25:07 | saurus_ | south dakota |
| 06:25:17 | myuu[Simpsons] | where are you? |
| 06:25:29 | saurus_ | austin |
| 06:25:42 | myuu[Simpsons] | oh |
| 06:26:09 | saurus_ | I know i am spoiled |
| 06:26:09 | myuu[Simpsons] | so if i modprobe na it should pull an ip from the school network? |
| 06:26:19 | myuu[Simpsons] | *net |
| 06:26:21 | myuu[Simpsons] | argh |
| 06:26:25 | myuu[Simpsons] | *nat |
| 06:26:31 | saurus_ | well that was not the real module |
| 06:26:49 | saurus_ | put the modprobe in the top of yer tables script |
| 06:27:06 | saurus_ | right beneath the -F stuff |
| 06:27:35 | saurus_ | your script is subject to failure less you -F it |
| 06:27:45 | myuu[Simpsons] | fun |
| 06:28:16 | saurus_ | do not do service iptables anything |
| 06:28:33 | saurus_ | are you on RH |
| 06:28:34 | saurus_ | ? |
| 06:28:42 | myuu[Simpsons] | libranet |
| 06:28:50 | saurus_ | hmm dunno |
| 06:29:07 | not_hat | is there a way to deactiveate the lcd i.e. while playing music to save batt? |
| 06:29:10 | myuu[Simpsons] | im talking about getting wireless on my zaurus though |
| 06:29:26 | myuu[Simpsons] | you could turn off the backlight |
| 06:29:38 | saurus_ | i only support turbo, redhat, conectiva, suse, caldera, gentoo, debian... |
| 06:29:50 | not_hat | myuu[Simpsons]: yeah i know about turning off backlight, but i mean totally off |
| 06:29:54 | saurus_ | no libranet |
| 06:30:07 | saurus_ | mine goes all the way off |
| 06:30:21 | myuu[Simpsons] | hrm |
| 06:30:39 | saurus_ | listens to Rocky Ericson and Thirteen Elevators |
| 06:30:46 | saurus_ | Floor |
| 06:30:47 | myuu[Simpsons] | all i want to do i browse on my zaurus |
| 06:30:58 | saurus_ | what is the prob? |
| 06:31:29 | saurus_ | I was browsing and hacking a few minutes ago |
| 06:31:48 | saurus_ | i almost have postnuke on the z |
| 06:31:48 | myuu[Simpsons] | i need to figure out how to actually set it up for their network |
| 06:32:00 | saurus_ | their? |
| 06:32:10 | myuu[Simpsons] | the school's |
| 06:32:13 | saurus_ | usb? |
| 06:32:15 | saurus_ | ok |
| 06:32:30 | myuu[Simpsons] | the high school i go to has wifi in the sci area |
| 06:32:30 | saurus_ | what is the AP? |
| 06:32:43 | myuu[Simpsons] | Science1? |
| 06:32:58 | saurus_ | first set it up with no wep and try. |
| 06:33:10 | saurus_ | and dhcp |
| 06:33:41 | myuu[Simpsons] | i know the school does dhcp |
| 06:34:11 | saurus_ | kool |
| 06:34:20 | saurus_ | should just work |
| 06:34:26 | saurus_ | what card? |
| 06:34:28 | myuu[Simpsons] | is it going to automatically try to pull an ip then |
| 06:34:38 | saurus_ | yes |
| 06:34:39 | myuu[Simpsons] | dlibk 650w |
| 06:34:44 | saurus_ | k |
| 06:34:50 | myuu[Simpsons] | sorry, typing in the dark |
| 06:34:55 | saurus_ | never had one. supported? |
| 06:34:58 | myuu[Simpsons] | ya |
| 06:35:03 | saurus_ | kewlio |
| 06:35:05 | myuu[Simpsons] | prism/2 based card |
| 06:35:20 | saurus_ | hit wireless first then network |
| 06:35:29 | not_hat | myuu[Simpsons]: i have that same card, and i can get to to see networks, but so far haven't actually been able to join any |
| 06:35:33 | saurus_ | should hook right up |
| 06:35:41 | saurus_ | sheet |
| 06:35:41 | myuu[Simpsons] | i threw it in a sat in the hall, i was get packets in ifconfig |
| 06:35:48 | myuu[Simpsons] | same here not_hat |
| 06:36:02 | not_hat | myuu[Simpsons]: mine just hangs on dhcpcd |
| 06:36:12 | saurus_ | you follow the owto at zz? |
| 06:36:20 | saurus_ | howto even |
| 06:36:27 | myuu[Simpsons] | ill check that out |
| 06:36:32 | not_hat | saurus_: sorry, what is zz? |
| 06:36:45 | saurus_ | zauruszone/howtos |
| 06:36:45 | myuu[Simpsons] | zauruszone |
| 06:36:53 | not_hat | ah, thanks |
| 06:37:04 | myuu[Simpsons] | the bb ownz |
| 06:37:14 | saurus_ | put howtos in or there is no link. |
| 06:37:19 | saurus_ | don't ask me |
| 06:38:08 | myuu[Simpsons] | so konqueror or opera? |
| 06:38:23 | saurus_ | opera is what i use |
| 06:38:27 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 06:38:28 | saurus_ | i hate kde |
| 06:39:11 | myuu[Simpsons] | i would have had to have gotten an ip for ifconfig to show me pullling packets, right? |
| 06:39:20 | saurus_ | ya |
| 06:39:28 | saurus_ | you got a term |
| 06:39:28 | myuu[Simpsons] | thats a good sign |
| 06:39:39 | myuu[Simpsons] | wasnt able to ping out |
| 06:39:56 | saurus_ | but lots of dhcp servers have lame nameservers |
| 06:40:12 | myuu[Simpsons] | is was pinging qwest's sec. dns |
| 06:40:15 | myuu[Simpsons] | lol |
| 06:40:16 | saurus_ | or dhcp does not do all it is supposed to |
| 06:40:26 | saurus_ | kewl |
| 06:40:26 | myuu[Simpsons] | its burned into my brain from work |
| 06:41:21 | myuu | (dsl, isdn, dial, and MFW support) |
| 06:42:34 | saurus_ | should i stay or should i go??? |
| 06:42:38 | myuu | stay |
| 06:42:50 | saurus_ | on the radio |
| 06:42:58 | myuu | ? |
| 06:43:04 | saurus_ | kut.org |
| 06:43:20 | saurus_ | clash i think |
| 06:43:36 | myuu | ? |
| 06:43:46 | saurus_ | The Clash |
| 06:43:54 | saurus_ | google for em |
| 06:44:20 | saurus_ | i could be wrong |
| 06:45:02 | myuu | i was getting a netw. unreachable from a ping. with no extra packets in ifconfig |
| 06:45:06 | myuu | why? |
| 06:45:50 | saurus_ | find a ood to go AP and check it out |
| 06:45:57 | saurus_ | ood=good |
| 06:46:19 | saurus_ | I cannot get on this ad-hoc nw. |
| 06:46:39 | myuu | does each comp. act as a AP? |
| 06:46:44 | saurus_ | but i have been on z and compaq ad-hoc nws |
| 06:47:00 | saurus_ | in ad hoc, kinda yes |
| 06:47:17 | saurus_ | set the default to the bridged ip |
| 06:47:32 | saurus_ | but not on z so far. |
| 06:47:44 | saurus_ | i am sure i am too lame. ??? |
| 06:47:56 | myuu | because when i was warwalking, i hit a Science1 then an airport, then a Science2...nothing looking like an AP |
| 06:48:51 | saurus_ | ya, once the z has a good connect one can go a hundred miles logging nics, even though the connection is long lost. |
| 06:48:57 | saurus_ | weird to me |
| 06:49:05 | saurus_ | a feature i think. |
| 06:49:26 | saurus_ | so kismet does not anounce where it is sniffin' |
| 06:49:31 | saurus_ | lol |
| 06:49:38 | myuu | lol |
| 06:50:00 | myuu | well every ap i hit i know is computer....cso damn weird |
| 06:50:13 | myuu | did you see that ibm wifi auditor?! |
| 06:50:18 | saurus_ | i was hanging with 2600 guys and they had to agree after i explained the reasoning |
| 06:50:57 | saurus_ | at our thing i was siniffing every packet on 3 wireless ips |
| 06:51:07 | myuu | lol |
| 06:51:09 | saurus_ | networks |
| 06:51:24 | myuu | i do like that though |
| 06:51:31 | myuu | but it fills quickly |
| 06:51:37 | saurus_ | 192.168.232 .1 34 whateveer |
| 06:51:46 | myuu | figure out how to dump it on a cf |
| 06:52:00 | saurus_ | i have ine dumoing to cf |
| 06:52:05 | saurus_ | a symlink |
| 06:52:12 | myuu | ah |
| 06:52:21 | myuu | what is sym link |
| 06:52:26 | myuu | /home/root? |
| 06:52:31 | saurus_ | symlinks and rsync are your friends |
| 06:52:39 | myuu | i know what they are |
| 06:52:46 | myuu | badly phrased |
| 06:53:25 | myuu | never rsynced though... |
| 06:53:26 | saurus_ | different ones for diff stuff. i will never tell unless the test is finished and you want to discuss it. |
| 06:53:45 | saurus_ | ahh i was thinking that. |
| 06:53:52 | myuu | lol |
| 06:54:00 | myuu | oz doesnt have ftpd |
| 06:54:12 | saurus_ | i learned rsync after having to sync sites on different continents |
| 06:54:18 | myuu | i had to ssh into it to ftp back into my box |
| 06:54:30 | saurus_ | man rsync is really good. |
| 06:54:35 | myuu | ya |
| 06:54:39 | saurus_ | not like it used to be |
| 06:54:47 | myuu | we need mini man pages for z |
| 06:54:52 | saurus_ | ya |
| 06:55:01 | saurus_ | ztips |
| 06:55:11 | myuu | zman |
| 06:55:15 | saurus_ | i am in the ldp |
| 06:55:32 | saurus_ | i will see if there is any interest. |
| 06:56:01 | fpsbebox | hi all |
| 06:56:19 | myuu | lol ibm suit were at my workplace (outsourcing comp.)...i was running around "peace,love,linux" |
| 06:56:33 | myuu | *suits |
| 06:57:32 | saurus_ | lol |
| 06:58:03 | myuu | woulda worn my thinkgeek linux tshirt but we had to look normal |
| 06:58:11 | saurus_ | it is done. i said 3 years ago we did not have any interest in M$. we were after sun |
| 06:58:30 | saurus_ | sun just released a linux white box.\ |
| 06:59:03 | myuu | good time to be a linux person |
| 06:59:05 | saurus_ | HP said no more word. now it is wordperfect |
| 06:59:10 | saurus_ | lol |
| 06:59:36 | saurus_ | i been her since 94 been saying that. been slammed.. |
| 06:59:38 | saurus_ | lol |
| 06:59:56 | saurus_ | this linuxworld told the story |
| 07:00:11 | myuu | im pissed that linuxworld is runnning off NT |
| 07:00:20 | myuu | the site |
| 07:00:20 | saurus_ | áll the big uns are claiming to be linux leaders. |
| 07:00:28 | saurus_ | no way |
| 07:00:36 | saurus_ | i hope |
| 07:00:49 | myuu | netcraft it |
| 07:00:50 | saurus_ | run it through geektools |
| 07:01:01 | saurus_ | ya |
| 07:01:06 | myuu | ill do nmap |
| 07:02:05 | myuu | http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/gsal/wsa/ |
| 07:02:17 | saurus_ | wtf does moz and ns do when one goes to a diff virt desktop and then comes back.... the hard drive thrashes and shit |
| 07:02:46 | myuu | ya, im an opera zealot |
| 07:03:43 | myuu | trying to get that ibm tool |
| 07:03:46 | saurus_ | i gotta get a faster laptop. |
| 07:04:10 | myuu | i need a laptop...and a car...and a cellphone...and a gf |
| 07:04:44 | saurus_ | more rain |
| 07:04:47 | saurus_ | kewl |
| 07:05:02 | saurus_ | The site linuxworld.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a on Solaris. FAQ |
| 07:05:03 | saurus_ | Solaris |
| 07:05:19 | saurus_ | sux, but not M$ |
| 07:05:44 | saurus_ | mod_gzip... that is a spoof |
| 07:05:47 | saurus_ | lol |
| 07:05:55 | myuu | o |
| 07:05:57 | saurus_ | it is running linux |
| 07:06:25 | saurus_ | /. did that for a while |
| 07:06:37 | myuu | why is it that a lot of ie bugs affect konqueror |
| 07:06:40 | myuu | weird... |
| 07:06:49 | saurus_ | ie sux? |
| 07:06:57 | saurus_ | is not complient |
| 07:07:20 | saurus_ | run M$.com through the html checker |
| 07:08:12 | not_hat | im trying to setup z on windows, how come there's no windows package here: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qtopia/, and anyone know where to get latest version? |
| 07:08:34 | saurus_ | it is on the cd |
| 07:08:47 | saurus_ | unlike the linux one |
| 07:09:13 | not_hat | no, but using oz, it wont work because it says the zaurus version is newer thatn the desktop version |
| 07:09:28 | myuu | i got so sick of incompatibilities look what i did to my page: tenthgeneration.com |
| 07:09:51 | saurus_ | i figgure oz is not equipped for toy operating systems |
| 07:10:08 | myuu | 'toy'? |
| 07:10:15 | saurus_ | i could be wrong |
| 07:10:21 | saurus_ | M$ |
| 07:10:28 | not_hat | the faq seems to state otherwise |
| 07:10:42 | saurus_ | dunno |
| 07:10:48 | not_hat | they say to get newest qtopia desktop from there. dang |
| 07:11:10 | saurus_ | i have yet to make qtopia work |
| 07:11:16 | saurus_ | i just rsync |
| 07:11:19 | myuu | i got a guy today that was suppose to setup the mail server for his office...the guy so dumb he could even figure out how to set his ip to dynamic on his own =/ |
| 07:11:25 | saurus_ | all is kewl |
| 07:11:48 | myuu | ouch...an overrated on /. |
| 07:11:49 | saurus_ | qtopia on desktop rsyncs fine with the z |
| 07:11:58 | not_hat | rsync? |
| 07:12:08 | not_hat | is that like rcp or scp? |
| 07:12:26 | saurus_ | rsync is what qtopia should use. |
| 07:12:37 | saurus_ | prolly a perms prob |
| 07:12:45 | saurus_ | from my grok |
| 07:12:57 | saurus_ | rsync works fine though |
| 07:13:29 | saurus_ | no, it only copies things that have changed |
| 07:13:40 | not_hat | hmm cool |
| 07:13:46 | saurus_ | to whichever end is lacking |
| 07:13:47 | myuu | use oz saurus? |
| 07:13:54 | saurus_ | no |
| 07:13:57 | myuu | damn |
| 07:13:59 | saurus_ | not yet |
| 07:14:20 | myuu | need to just terminal, no opie |
| 07:14:21 | saurus_ | i want to have it trivial till i play with that. |
| 07:14:38 | saurus_ | get the tabbed terminal |
| 07:14:47 | saurus_ | the other is useless to me |
| 07:14:57 | myuu | need it to launch X |
| 07:15:03 | saurus_ | X is only so i cn have more terminals |
| 07:15:15 | myuu | snes9x |
| 07:15:38 | ryan_ | i accidently installed the opie media player - any idea how i can get the default sharp one back?? |
| 07:15:47 | saurus_ | dern kut.org is rockin |
| 07:15:53 | not_hat | myuu: how well does that work? i tried gnuboy a while ago and it was darn slow |
| 07:16:05 | myuu | dunno |
| 07:16:09 | saurus_ | i like vnc best |
| 07:16:21 | myuu | cant imagine its being that bad |
| 07:16:24 | saurus_ | i can run my z on anything |
| 07:16:35 | myuu | my visor was close to getting right |
| 07:16:51 | saurus_ | my visor is in 3 peieces |
| 07:17:02 | myuu | =( |
| 07:17:10 | myuu | i still love my visor |
| 07:17:12 | saurus_ | the thursday before i left for linuxworld |
| 07:17:18 | saurus_ | lol |
| 07:17:33 | saurus_ | so i knew what i was doing |
| 07:17:38 | myuu | sad |
| 07:17:46 | saurus_ | i bout the first one the first day |
| 07:17:57 | saurus_ | so to get it on charge |
| 07:18:32 | myuu | yuck...the bttery life |
| 07:18:34 | saurus_ | i have been grinning an almost illegal smile ever since' |
| 07:18:53 | myuu | didnt like your visor? |
| 07:18:54 | saurus_ | turn the light down or off |
| 07:19:05 | saurus_ | oh yes i loved it |
| 07:19:15 | saurus_ | had a cam |
| 07:19:23 | saurus_ | you want to buy the cam |
| 07:19:29 | saurus_ | 20.00 |
| 07:19:30 | myuu | eyemodule! |
| 07:19:34 | saurus_ | ya |
| 07:19:35 | myuu | got it |
| 07:19:43 | myuu | and an mp3 player |
| 07:19:47 | saurus_ | no |
| 07:20:11 | saurus_ | i will send all the stuff i have i guess |
| 07:20:15 | myuu | i did |
| 07:20:24 | saurus_ | email me |
| 07:20:37 | saurus_ | mike@linuxlink.com |
| 07:21:06 | saurus_ | do spammers bot irc? |
| 07:21:10 | saurus_ | l |
| 07:21:14 | saurus_ | hmmm |
| 07:21:33 | saurus_ | i am fscked anyway |
| 07:21:38 | myuu | why? |
| 07:21:44 | saurus_ | spam |
| 07:21:51 | saurus_ | at least 3 a day |
| 07:21:55 | saurus_ | sux |
| 07:22:04 | saurus_ | outa 300 emails |
| 07:22:06 | myuu | at east 3 |
| 07:22:11 | myuu | ohhhhh |
| 07:22:17 | saurus_ | ollollolkal |
| 07:22:43 | saurus_ | i do not know how peeps manage to get so much spam |
| 07:23:02 | myuu | damn open relays |
| 07:23:22 | saurus_ | i am sure i deal with em too |
| 07:23:23 | ryan_ | note to self: don't ever try to install ipaq qpe software on zaurus again :( |
| 07:23:32 | saurus_ | never had a spam prob |
| 07:23:46 | saurus_ | delete works best |
| 07:23:57 | noda | ryan_: Hehehe, just flash onto OZ and use opie for everything :) |
| 07:24:01 | saurus_ | i know a guy that opts out |
| 07:24:10 | saurus_ | get s a ton |
| 07:24:15 | myuu | i do |
| 07:24:27 | myuu | or i did |
| 07:24:27 | ryan_ | noda: can't, no CF card |
| 07:24:36 | noda | comforts ryan_ |
| 07:24:48 | ryan_ | lol, thanks :) |
| 07:24:57 | myuu | but i would opt out and they would bombard me for 24 hrs and sign me up for 3 oters |
| 07:24:57 | saurus_ | i never got a penis enlarger like all my buds say they get |
| 07:25:10 | ryan_ | noda: it was actually pretty funny - the Z crashed into text mode, tried to restart, and crashed again...over and over and over... :) |
| 07:26:03 | saurus_ | jjj |
| 07:26:08 | saurus_ | oops |
| 07:26:39 | myuu | do microdrives drain a lot of power or is the only worry the heat? |
| 07:26:46 | saurus_ | oops |
| 07:27:23 | saurus_ | this dern penguin hp gave me keeps flipping off my moniter |
| 07:27:54 | saurus_ | fits all around the moniter |
| 07:28:10 | saurus_ | makes it look like a fat penguin |
| 07:28:16 | | darienm was last seen on #zaurus 9 hours, 35 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: cancel first (sends ESC) then colon q enter [Fri Sep 6 22:52:52 2002] |
| 07:28:16 | erikd | ibot seen darienm |
| 07:28:19 | erikd | bah |
| 07:28:29 | saurus_ | bo |
| 07:28:40 | saurus_ | gentoo |
| 07:28:53 | erikd | yodatoad@atlantis yodatoad $ uname -a |
| 07:28:53 | erikd | Linux atlantis.erikd.org 2.4.19-gentoo-r7 #1 Thu Sep 5 15:50:52 CDT 2002 i686 GenuineIntel |
| 07:28:54 | erikd | :) |
| 07:29:12 | saurus_ | oops jazz just came on and my cat left in a uff |
| 07:29:23 | myuu | root@boardwalk:/home/myuu# uname -a |
| 07:29:23 | myuu | Linux boardwalk 2.4.18 #1 Mon Mar 18 01:28:42 UTC 2002 i686 unknown |
| 07:29:29 | myuu | lol |
| 07:29:38 | saurus_ | hehe |
| 07:29:53 | erikd | thinks someone needs to fix their time/date... |
| 07:30:06 | myuu | too lazy |
| 07:30:09 | erikd | hehe |
| 07:30:16 | myuu | im gonna check fark and go to sleep |
| 07:30:31 | erikd | wishes darien was around |
| 07:31:25 | myuu | Gates sells MS stock to buy medical stocks. Coming soon: Blue EKG of Death |
| 07:32:03 | saurus_ | lol cant change time' |
| 07:33:05 | saurus_ | is that better? |
| 07:33:23 | saurus_ | hmm |
| 07:33:28 | saurus_ | oops |
| 07:34:01 | saurus_ | this irc is wrong |
| 07:34:15 | saurus_ | dunno |
| 07:40:51 | saurus_ | lol |
| 07:42:42 | myuu | later all |
| 08:00:17 | Speedy2 | re |
| 08:33:07 | Speedy2 | re |
| 08:33:12 | mark | hmm, I want my Z to run somethign every morning at 7 (grab the news from my server via a wireless network). Will a cron script run if the device is suspended? |
| 08:33:25 | Speedy2 | Perhap |
| 08:33:26 | Speedy2 | Perhaps |
| 08:33:34 | mark | Speedy2: heh |
| 08:33:34 | Speedy2 | Maybe try it really quickly? |
| 08:34:03 | mark | need to find cron first :) |
| 08:34:45 | mark | nothing on ipkgfind :( |
| 08:35:18 | mark | oh, uschedule from bipolar |
| 08:37:16 | | uschedule is at http://www.ohse.de/uwe/uschedule.html |
| 08:37:16 | mark | ibot: uschedule |
| 08:39:55 | mark | hmm, wonder if that'll work properly on OZ or if i'll have to fiddle with init scripts :) |
| 09:44:02 | | erikd was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 13 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: wishes darien was around [Sat Sep 7 08:30:31 2002] |
| 09:44:02 | darienm | ibot seen erikd |
| 09:44:15 | darienm | wow, late nite for him... but at least he's thinking of me |
| 09:52:49 | darienm | :) |
| 09:53:33 | darienm | congrats on your assignment as maintainer of that site I stumbled across yesterday. |
| 10:05:04 | mark | hi all |
| 10:08:41 | Speedy2 | re |
| 10:09:32 | mark | anyone played with bochs? |
| 10:12:55 | Speedy2 | Sounds evil. |
| 10:19:01 | mark | i wish vmware wasn't so goddam expensive |
| 10:19:13 | Speedy2 | Why do you need it? |
| 10:19:59 | mark | dreamweaver/mathematica |
| 10:20:32 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 10:20:37 | Speedy2 | There are Linux versions of Mathematica |
| 10:20:41 | Speedy2 | What do you use Mathematica for? |
| 10:21:02 | mark | i don't use it seriously, it'd just be nice to run |
| 10:21:10 | Speedy2 | VMware or Mathematica? |
| 10:21:22 | mark | mathetmatic |
| 10:21:55 | mark | and dreamweaver would be really useful for my website, its a apin having to go to a windows box atm |
| 10:22:05 | Speedy2 | Why don't you VNC or something? |
| 10:22:46 | mark | coz its useually be used for something else by someone else :) |
| 10:23:03 | mark | i wonder about win4lin |
| 10:24:02 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 11:18:37 | imm | hiya |
| 11:51:49 | ljp | hey! woot! its building! |
| 11:53:46 | ljp | of course.. I spoke too soon |
| 11:59:58 | ljp | odd very odd |
| 12:16:13 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i update via cvs? |
| 12:16:40 | TheMasterMind1 | like i'm in the opie dir and i want to update it |
| 12:17:24 | roge99 | cvs update |
| 12:18:34 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, cvs up -PdA |
| 12:23:49 | mark | hi * |
| 12:57:47 | cc | i did rm /usr |
| 12:57:58 | ljp | i know |
| 12:58:08 | cc | i changed some scripts and now i mounted the cf |
| 12:58:15 | cc | and the usbd works |
| 12:58:16 | ljp | I did rm -rf /usr/local once |
| 12:58:45 | mark | I did rm -rf /etc once |
| 12:58:52 | cc | now i must put zimage and initrd in the cf |
| 12:59:38 | cc | but i don't know how i can get the bootimage from my pc |
| 13:00:09 | cc | can anyone help me? |
| 13:01:02 | ljp | you did that on desktop or z? |
| 13:01:13 | ljp | is the z running? |
| 13:01:28 | cc | i did that on z |
| 13:01:35 | cc | the z is running |
| 13:01:43 | cc | and usbd works |
| 13:02:04 | ljp | you can ftp port 4242 and put the image on a cf card |
| 13:02:21 | cc | i don't have ftp running |
| 13:02:25 | cc | rm |
| 13:02:32 | ljp | do you have qoew running? |
| 13:02:36 | ljp | err qpe |
| 13:02:39 | cc | no |
| 13:03:09 | ljp | on the z you are at console prompt? |
| 13:03:14 | cc | yes |
| 13:03:28 | cc | i don't have wget |
| 13:05:02 | cc | what should i do? |
| 13:05:29 | ljp | hang on a sec |
| 13:05:51 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:05:58 | mark | bonjour chouimat |
| 13:06:41 | chouimat | hi mark |
| 13:08:11 | ljp | cc: did you reboot or something? |
| 13:08:18 | ljp | or got dropped out of qpe |
| 13:08:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:08:23 | cc | ljp: yes |
| 13:08:30 | cc | ljp: i rebooted |
| 13:08:39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ! |
| 13:08:56 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:08:58 | ljp | and qpe doesnt start |
| 13:09:17 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 13:09:26 | ljp | not you, cc |
| 13:09:31 | TheMasterMind1 | what are you talking about though |
| 13:09:39 | cc | ljp: when i do startqpe i get error: libqpe.so.1: no such file or directory |
| 13:09:41 | TheMasterMind1 | the new opie? |
| 13:09:42 | ljp | he rm -rf /usr on his z |
| 13:09:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 13:10:09 | ljp | hmmm |
| 13:10:22 | chouimat | :) |
| 13:10:49 | TheMasterMind1 | echo passw0rd | su |
| 13:10:50 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 13:10:51 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 13:11:30 | cc | ljp: what can i do? |
| 13:11:49 | ljp | cc: try doing ln -s /opt/QtPalmtop.rom/lib/libqpe.so.1 /opt/QtPalmtop/lib.libqpe.so.1 |
| 13:12:00 | ljp | cc: try doing ln -s /opt/QtPalmtop.rom/lib/libqpe.so.1 /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqpe.so.1 |
| 13:12:08 | cc | ljp: i have oz |
| 13:12:16 | ljp | ahhhhhh |
| 13:12:19 | ljp | hmmm |
| 13:12:30 | ljp | very different. ok.. lemme switch z's |
| 13:12:58 | ljp | do you have the inird.bin still on cf? |
| 13:13:06 | cc | ljp: no :( |
| 13:13:40 | ljp | have you tried reset? |
| 13:13:46 | TheMasterMind1 | tell me again why you rm -rf /usr -ed it |
| 13:14:01 | cc | yes i do full reset |
| 13:14:08 | ljp | turn it off, and push the battery compartment butotn |
| 13:14:11 | VerxHome | anyone here know much about paypal? |
| 13:14:15 | VerxHome | I need some help |
| 13:14:31 | cc | ljp: i did that |
| 13:14:31 | ljp | you can donate to my paypal very easy |
| 13:14:32 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome yea, what about it |
| 13:14:49 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: When can you be certain that you have money from someone? |
| 13:15:03 | ljp | cc; get a cf card reader that works in linux, and copy the initrd.bin to the cf card and reflash |
| 13:15:10 | VerxHome | ie, if someone sends you money, and the status says " completed ", is there any way their funds might not clear? |
| 13:15:17 | TheMasterMind1 | when the money is added to your balance |
| 13:15:36 | ljp | cc: or works in windows, if you use that |
| 13:15:36 | TheMasterMind1 | if its a large amount, get it out of paypal asap |
| 13:15:54 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: Why get it out of paypal asap? |
| 13:15:54 | TheMasterMind1 | don't want paypal claiming its fraudulent and taking it |
| 13:15:55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 13:16:13 | VerxHome | why would they do that tho? |
| 13:16:25 | cc | ljp: i don't have a cf reader |
| 13:16:28 | TheMasterMind1 | you haven't read any paypal horror stories then.. |
| 13:16:33 | TheMasterMind1 | anyways |
| 13:16:33 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 13:16:37 | VerxHome | see ya |
| 13:16:45 | ljp | cc: your gonna need on enow |
| 13:16:50 | ljp | they are cheap |
| 13:17:52 | cc | ljp: how much it cost? |
| 13:18:08 | ljp | $10-20 maybe .. not real sure |
| 13:18:47 | cc | ljp: there isn't another way? |
| 13:19:20 | TheMasterMind1 | what is CTRL+C in the real console? |
| 13:19:24 | TheMasterMind1 | not the terminal |
| 13:19:35 | cc | ljp: can i install the sharp rom without a cf? |
| 13:19:49 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 13:19:51 | TheMasterMind1 | using windows |
| 13:19:58 | TheMasterMind1 | you can flash a sl5500 |
| 13:20:20 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 13:20:21 | mark | whats the formula for the volume of a circle? ;) |
| 13:20:24 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i CTRL+C |
| 13:20:28 | TheMasterMind1 | mark heh. |
| 13:20:29 | cc | TheMasterMind1: i can't flash a 5000d? |
| 13:20:32 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 13:20:38 | TheMasterMind1 | you need a cf for that |
| 13:20:52 | TheMasterMind1 | someone tell me what CTRL+C is i have to go really soon |
| 13:20:53 | TheMasterMind1 | like now |
| 13:21:02 | ljp | Fn+c |
| 13:21:07 | mark | 4/3 * pi * r^3 yeh? |
| 13:21:09 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't work in console |
| 13:21:16 | TheMasterMind1 | mark i don't think so.. |
| 13:21:17 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 13:21:19 | TheMasterMind1 | volume |
| 13:21:23 | TheMasterMind1 | yea that seems right |
| 13:21:54 | mark | and a Mm is a 1,000,000 meters yes? |
| 13:23:30 | ljp | maybe oz should have a special key map for the console that will map those few special keys to,, heh the buttons |
| 13:23:36 | treke|home | mark: so what would be the best engine to use in knights for retards? |
| 13:23:55 | ljp | heh the checkers engine |
| 13:24:03 | mark | hehe |
| 13:24:23 | mark | treke|home: phalanx on very easy. it can be beaten in 3 moves :) |
| 13:24:56 | treke|home | well that puts me in a whole new category of suckiness |
| 13:25:10 | mark | hehe |
| 13:25:16 | treke|home | phalanx on very easy still hands me my ass on a platter every time :) |
| 13:25:25 | mark | hehe |
| 13:25:58 | mark | the problem is people write their engines to be as good as possible |
| 13:27:08 | treke|home | on the bright side, I've almost figured out which ways all the pieces move :) |
| 13:28:26 | mark | heeh |
| 13:29:26 | mark | treke|home http://www.tim-mann.org/engines.html |
| 13:32:32 | imm | hi |
| 13:32:35 | mark | can someone try dcc'ing me a file? |
| 13:32:38 | mark | hi imm |
| 13:33:15 | imm | mark: i did |
| 13:33:55 | darienm | I can assist also.. |
| 13:34:41 | mark | imm: gah, failed. |
| 13:34:54 | mark | thanks, thats must be my masquerading server] |
| 13:34:55 | imm | mark: are you behind firewall |
| 13:35:10 | mark | imm: no, just on a masqueraded cnonection |
| 13:35:55 | angry | is back (gone 08:39:30) |
| 13:36:13 | | Sniper was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 21 hours, 5 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: brb [Wed Sep 4 17:30:47 2002] |
| 13:36:13 | imm | ibot seen Sniper |
| 13:45:57 | mark | hi Cloudchaser |
| 13:49:48 | chouimat|coffee | hi Cloudchaser |
| 13:51:16 | Cloudchaser | hi guys |
| 13:54:15 | cranch | what up peoples |
| 13:59:27 | n73209568 | hello |
| 14:00:27 | n56183578 | h |
| 14:08:29 | cc_ | when i start qpe i get "error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory? |
| 14:08:39 | cc_ | what libs qpe libqpe needs? |
| 14:10:59 | cc_ | can anyone answer? |
| 14:11:39 | Cloudchaser | sorry i was afk, but i don't know the answer to your question |
| 14:13:08 | cc_ | Cloudchaser: do ldd /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqpe.so.1.5 |
| 14:13:37 | darienm | the new GameboyZ works quite well (uses SDL library) |
| 14:13:55 | darienm | crap -- I'm responding to posts made hours ago.. |
| 14:14:00 | darienm | damn scrollbar |
| 14:14:01 | darienm | stay at the bottom |
| 14:16:16 | cc_ | Cloudchaser: what's the result? |
| 14:16:32 | Cloudchaser | sorry, got stuff goin on here |
| 14:16:35 | Cloudchaser | hang on |
| 14:20:08 | Cloudchaser | darienm: there's a newer one? |
| 14:20:17 | Cloudchaser | i found it the sdl one still a bit slow |
| 14:20:35 | darienm | maybe not newer, but it's only about 2 weeks old. |
| 14:21:58 | Cloudchaser | cc_: i got command not found |
| 14:22:14 | Cloudchaser | darienm: i think thats the one i tried, but not positive |
| 14:22:27 | Cloudchaser | maybe my expectations are too high |
| 14:22:32 | cc | Cloudchaser: ok |
| 14:33:28 | cc | does anyone know what libs qtopia needs? |
| 14:34:40 | mark | cc: libjpeg, qt/e for a start |
| 14:39:10 | cc | mark: what libjpeg version? |
| 14:39:46 | mark | cc: no idea |
| 14:44:16 | Cloudchaser | cc what rom are you using? |
| 14:44:25 | Cloudchaser | or are you making your own? |
| 14:45:26 | Cloudchaser | in other words..what are you trying to do? |
| 14:46:17 | Cloudchaser | has anyone here ever started a computer users group? |
| 14:49:02 | cc | Cloudchaser: i'm using oz |
| 14:49:25 | Cloudchaser | and what are you trying to do? |
| 14:49:39 | cc | Cloudchaser: i did rm /usr :°°°° |
| 14:49:50 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 14:49:55 | Cloudchaser | why not reflash? |
| 14:50:04 | cc | i must put the bootimage in the cf |
| 14:50:25 | Cloudchaser | no reader? |
| 14:50:32 | cc | no |
| 14:50:47 | Cloudchaser | bummer |
| 14:51:02 | cc | i don't know how i can get files from my pc |
| 14:51:14 | cc | i don't have wget, ssh |
| 14:51:17 | Cloudchaser | can you ftp? |
| 14:51:23 | cc | no |
| 14:51:49 | Cloudchaser | well that' problem is a bit over my level of knowledge |
| 14:51:53 | cc | now i'm trying to start opie |
| 14:51:58 | Cloudchaser | but i would get a card reader for 12.00 and reflash |
| 14:52:00 | cc | for sync |
| 14:52:27 | Cloudchaser | and opie won't start? |
| 14:52:43 | cc | no it needs libjpeg |
| 14:52:50 | Cloudchaser | do you have network card for your z? |
| 14:52:57 | cc | and libjpeg is located in /usr/lib |
| 14:53:03 | cc | so i don't have it |
| 14:53:28 | Cloudchaser | well you may have to wait til someone with more knowledge is here |
| 14:53:38 | Cloudchaser | or...go get cf reader for your pc |
| 14:53:58 | cc | how much cost an usb cf reader? |
| 14:54:12 | Cloudchaser | ah i don't know |
| 14:54:24 | Cloudchaser | i use cf>pcmcia |
| 14:54:39 | Cloudchaser | could google to get a general idea |
| 14:54:57 | Cloudchaser | why'd you remove /usr? |
| 14:55:10 | cc | has ljp enough knowledge? |
| 14:55:20 | Cloudchaser | he probably does |
| 14:55:35 | Cloudchaser | but you have no way to get the necessary packages onto your z i don't think |
| 14:55:42 | cc | i was removing usr in my current dir but i typed /usr |
| 14:56:16 | Cloudchaser | he might know of a way |
| 14:56:23 | Cloudchaser | or one of the others might |
| 14:56:53 | cc | he helped me |
| 14:57:05 | cc | but nothing to do |
| 14:57:19 | cc | i need a cf reader |
| 14:57:26 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 14:57:28 | Cloudchaser | i thought as much |
| 15:02:14 | bohnsack | i have a Netgear 802.11b CF card (MA701). worked in old sharp ROM, works in latest OZ ROM, but doesn't work in latest crow or sharp ROM. anyone know how i can make it work in latest crow|sharp ROM |
| 15:03:38 | Cloudchaser | what doesn't work in latest sharp rom? |
| 15:04:27 | Cloudchaser | latest being 2.38? |
| 15:06:45 | Cloudchaser | bohnsack: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?s=51379493da6d407e22f33805c9fb6a4f&act=Search&CODE=show&searchid=4df1e9b6fe72b7c81aad0998425f9006&highlite=netgear |
| 15:06:49 | Cloudchaser | that's a search on netgear |
| 15:06:58 | Cloudchaser | might want to see what other issues people are having |
| 15:07:12 | Cloudchaser | maybe somene else is having same sort of issues |
| 15:16:13 | cc | how do you clean the Z screen? |
| 15:23:05 | W|GGL|T | there should be instructions about that with the documentation that you got with your Z |
| 15:26:23 | bohnsack | Cloudchaser: thanks |
| 15:27:44 | Cloudchaser | did that help bohnsack? |
| 15:27:52 | Cloudchaser | did you find any answers? |
| 15:28:21 | bohnsack | actually, by removing and reinerting the CF card I was able to get it to work on crow ROM. |
| 15:34:18 | Cloudchaser | ah good bohnsack |
| 15:34:23 | Cloudchaser | how do yhou like that crow rom? |
| 15:34:32 | Cloudchaser | been wanting to hear some feedback |
| 15:40:03 | angry | gah whats the name of that file sharing network with a linux client again? |
| 15:40:19 | treke|home | ftp |
| 15:40:41 | angry | heh |
| 15:41:26 | Cloudchaser | file sharing network? |
| 15:41:38 | Cloudchaser | like napster you mean? |
| 15:41:51 | angry | ahh giFT |
| 15:41:59 | angry | should have googled before he asked |
| 15:43:13 | Speedy2 | re |
| 15:43:22 | Cloudchaser | hiya speedy! |
| 15:43:34 | Speedy2 | Hi Cloud. |
| 15:43:45 | Speedy2 | What's up? |
| 15:46:27 | angry | are there any giFT debian or rpm packages? |
| 16:20:38 | chouimat|Away | bbl |
| 16:33:39 | Cloudchaser | hehe got called away to do some yard work :) |
| 16:33:45 | Cloudchaser | good thing we have small yard |
| 16:37:35 | sig | http://www.jeffleake.com/SMTSFLSH2.swf |
| 16:53:49 | W|GGL|T | sig! |
| 16:54:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe hiya W|GGL|T |
| 16:55:10 | W|GGL|T | afternoon Cloudchaser |
| 16:55:36 | Cloudchaser | whats news with you? |
| 16:56:16 | Cloudchaser | i just got done with yard work.. and i got printing to windows shared printer working on new linux install! :) |
| 16:56:19 | Cloudchaser | is proud |
| 16:56:49 | Cloudchaser | about to purchase codeweavers crossover office |
| 16:56:54 | W|GGL|T | i'm supposed to be in the shower...thought I'd check email first |
| 16:57:22 | W|GGL|T | doesn't have printer sharing for linux yet |
| 16:57:40 | Cloudchaser | well it seemed fairly easy with rh7.3 |
| 16:57:53 | W|GGL|T | dunno about slackware 8.1 :o( |
| 16:57:57 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 16:58:04 | Cloudchaser | samba can be pita to get working |
| 16:59:02 | W|GGL|T | hrmm...maybe xfsamba will work |
| 16:59:04 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 17:09:05 | Cloudchaser | i used xfsamba |
| 17:09:15 | Cloudchaser | not sure how to make that do printer though |
| 17:26:15 | W|GGL|T | dir.webring.com isn't returning pings...grrr |
| 17:27:46 | mark | heh, guarddog rocks |
| 17:35:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth? |
| 17:41:22 | TheMasterMind1 | who's alive? |
| 17:41:33 | oGMo | not me |
| 17:41:52 | nasa | Yeah, I am dead too |
| 17:42:22 | oGMo | man, i wish aterm supported XDND |
| 17:42:45 | TheMasterMind1 | aterm |
| 17:42:46 | TheMasterMind1 | bah! |
| 17:42:48 | TheMasterMind1 | xterm owns |
| 17:42:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth been around today? |
| 17:43:00 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 16 hours, 46 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: you need libuuid itself in staging/usr/lib, and uuid.h in staging/usr/include/uuid/ [Sat Sep 7 01:56:05 2002] |
| 17:43:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 17:43:04 | oGMo | xterm is bloated and not transparent |
| 17:43:06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:43:07 | oGMo | and slow ;P |
| 17:43:12 | TheMasterMind1 | xterm is teh shit |
| 17:43:19 | oGMo | s/teh// |
| 17:43:22 | oGMo | ;) |
| 17:43:26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:43:30 | oGMo | either way it doesn't do xdnd either |
| 17:43:35 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 17:43:37 | TheMasterMind1 | aterm is ok |
| 17:43:41 | TheMasterMind1 | the one i hate is Eterm |
| 17:43:48 | Onyx4 | question about tkcjabber, does anyone know if they fixed the problem where icq users not on your list can't msg you? |
| 17:43:51 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: i concur |
| 17:43:59 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 dunno |
| 17:44:04 | TheMasterMind1 | why are you using tkcjabber? |
| 17:44:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:44:09 | Onyx4 | I'm not |
| 17:44:09 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 17:44:17 | TheMasterMind1 | there's no other good IM software for the Z yet? |
| 17:44:24 | Onyx4 | qtjim maybe? |
| 17:44:26 | TheMasterMind1 | dreams of Zgaim |
| 17:44:27 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:44:30 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: just compile irssi or something |
| 17:44:32 | TheMasterMind1 | too bad its gtkbased |
| 17:44:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going to start compiling software for the Z very soon |
| 17:44:48 | TheMasterMind1 | as soon as i figure out this opie stuff |
| 17:44:52 | Onyx4 | I'd probably buy it if I know they fixed this, it's kind of important for me that feature |
| 17:44:54 | TheMasterMind1 | i got opie to compile, cept its not running right |
| 17:45:05 | oGMo | i wonder if licq would compile with qt/e |
| 17:45:16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:45:24 | Onyx4 | good point |
| 17:45:42 | nasa | is anyone running oz (5000d) with the -32 ram image? |
| 17:45:50 | Onyx4 | how portable is qt to qt/e ? |
| 17:46:02 | oGMo | Onyx4: a lot moreso than gtk -> qt/e! |
| 17:46:03 | oGMo | ;) |
| 17:46:04 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 17:46:05 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 17:46:09 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you update cvs |
| 17:46:16 | TheMasterMind1 | it keeps saying "move this file, its in the way" and stuff like that |
| 17:46:31 | oGMo | Onyx4: afaict, there are just a few minor missing classes, the main issue is resizing everything |
| 17:46:58 | Onyx4 | I see, so porting licq might be a good project, mostly cosmetic changes would be needed |
| 17:47:49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf |
| 17:48:07 | TheMasterMind1 | kismet acts very weirdly |
| 17:48:14 | TheMasterMind1 | it like stops detecting stuff after a while |
| 17:48:15 | TheMasterMind1 | very annoying |
| 17:48:26 | TheMasterMind1 | usually when there's no packets or something |
| 17:48:31 | TheMasterMind1 | it just stops even when there are |
| 17:53:54 | phatcat | hey |
| 17:54:04 | phatcat | anyone know why i can't download any packages? |
| 17:54:12 | phatcat | i click on the link with mozilla |
| 17:54:24 | phatcat | and it just spits out lines of text |
| 17:54:36 | noda | phatcat: Right-click on the link and click on "download link" |
| 17:54:45 | phatcat | aaah ok |
| 17:54:47 | phatcat | thanks |
| 18:05:21 | Cloudchaser | then you have to rename it if it adds .txt extension to it |
| 18:20:58 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 22 hours, 29 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: later [Fri Sep 6 20:51:48 2002] |
| 18:20:58 | jbardin | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 18:21:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 18:34:01 | oGMo | hmm |
| 18:34:11 | oGMo | maybe SQLite is a good idea for storing stuff |
| 18:34:41 | treke|home | oGMo: seems pretty popular |
| 18:34:56 | treke|home | I _think_ its the new data storage system for the upcoming opie pim apps |
| 18:35:10 | oGMo | treke|home: doesn't seem to suck much more than MySQL, and it sounds small |
| 18:35:16 | oGMo | nifterific |
| 18:35:34 | oGMo | i just hate working with files |
| 18:36:06 | treke|home | warmi has a c++ interface for it somewhere |
| 18:36:25 | oGMo | i just wnat something quick to store a relation table and some other various info |
| 18:38:27 | oGMo | no .ipk? heh |
| 18:39:00 | oGMo | oh maybe there are, cute |
| 18:42:53 | treke|home | oGMo: I think most apps statically link to it |
| 18:43:21 | oGMo | treke|home: hrm |
| 18:44:04 | oGMo | well, i'll play around with it, should be better than xml crap for speed, not to mention functionality and ease of use ;) |
| 18:45:30 | treke|home | it might be sensitive to version changes, not sure |
| 18:47:08 | oGMo | mmm, squarepusher. |
| 18:49:03 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 17 hours, 52 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: you need libuuid itself in staging/usr/lib, and uuid.h in staging/usr/include/uuid/ [Sat Sep 7 01:56:05 2002] |
| 18:49:03 | nasa | ibot seen kergoth |
| 18:52:04 | nasa | Anyone running oz? |
| 19:11:48 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: tux_mike:" I recently bought 80 GB IDE at Circuit City for about $70 or so [Fri Sep 6 14:51:53 2002] |
| 19:11:48 | jbardin | ibot seen warmi |
| 19:11:56 | | I haven't seen 'spider', jbardin |
| 19:11:56 | jbardin | ibot seen spider |
| 19:12:03 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 2 hours, 41 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: brb [Wed Sep 4 17:30:47 2002] |
| 19:12:03 | jbardin | ibot seen sniper |
| 19:23:44 | nazarma | hi |
| 19:23:56 | nazarma | any one used nmap for zaurus? |
| 19:26:02 | nazarma | hmm |
| 19:30:09 | oGMo | it's on the zsi |
| 19:30:18 | oGMo | oh... thought you said 'have' ... nope, not used it |
| 19:31:20 | nazarma | any one here? |
| 19:31:36 | [DrEvil] | I just got here |
| 19:31:57 | nazarma | did you use nmap? |
| 19:33:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:33:36 | TheMasterMind1 | who is alive? |
| 19:33:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth?! |
| 19:33:58 | TheMasterMind1 | someone go wake up kergoth |
| 19:34:42 | oGMo | it's the weekend |
| 19:35:02 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone know where the opie developers usually hang out? |
| 19:35:11 | oGMo | there's not an #opie? |
| 19:35:20 | TheMasterMind1 | there is, but its pretty idle |
| 19:37:43 | LordDavon | Heya everyone |
| 19:37:57 | [DrEvil] | it's a weekend |
| 19:43:37 | Onyx4 | do I need to use the gcc 2.95 for x86 to link with the qtopia-free-1.5 libqte/libqpe libraries that are from the RPMS? |
| 19:44:17 | Onyx4 | I tried with gcc 3.x but everything compiles until I reach the ld state and then I get a bunch of undefined references |
| 19:44:38 | Onyx4 | but it's a problem of finding the includes files |
| 19:46:05 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 what can't it find? |
| 19:46:11 | LordDavon | How do I get OZ to use my SD card as default with linking from the command line. |
| 19:46:20 | Onyx4 | I mean it's NOT a problem finding the inc files |
| 19:48:42 | Onyx4 | trying again with gcc 2.96 |
| 19:49:48 | Onyx4 | so there is a way to compile opie to run into the framebuffer? |
| 19:50:41 | Onyx4 | oh it worked now with gcc 2.96 |
| 19:50:58 | Onyx4 | so looks like I can't link with gcc 3.x the qtopia-free libs that are compiled by trolltech with gcc 2.95 |
| 19:54:22 | LordDavon | Anyone know if there is a way to have your SD card as root during flash/install of OpenZaurus? |
| 19:57:41 | darienm|away | LordDavon: the starndard OZ doesn't do that, methinks. But there is a special ROM that will. |
| 19:57:58 | darienm|away | gotta run |
| 19:58:15 | Onyx4 | what's the different between those two TMAKE path /opt/Qtopia/tmake/lib/qws/linux-sharp-g++/ and the one without "qws" |
| 20:02:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:06:03 | LordDavon | Onyx4: I used the one in the qws I think. |
| 20:06:13 | LordDavon | Never tried the other. |
| 20:06:31 | LordDavon | It worked just fine whenever I recompile things. |
| 20:20:20 | mark | Onyx4: qws is for qt/e (using the qt windowing system) |
| 20:27:49 | mark | does anyone have a wireless usb ethernet device for their PC? |
| 20:30:39 | nasa | Does anyone know how to restart/kill a 'uninterruptible process' ? |
| 20:31:20 | mark | nasa: no idea. -9? |
| 20:31:53 | nasa | mark: tried that .. :< |
| 20:33:14 | angry | Neo|Work: working on any new games? :) |
| 20:33:32 | mutexer | is there anyway to hide the menu var at the bottom? so I can go completely fullscreen |
| 20:33:42 | mutexer | bar* |
| 20:35:19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:38:35 | mark | mutexer: not atm |
| 20:38:58 | mutexer | I found a think on the develop site on how to do it |
| 20:39:10 | mark | mutexer: oh, you mean in ur app? |
| 20:39:11 | mutexer | it was used in strategic assualt |
| 20:39:15 | mutexer | yeah |
| 20:39:18 | mark | sorry, i didn't understand you |
| 20:39:23 | mark | yeh, eongames.com has a tutorial |
| 20:39:47 | mutexer | I dont know where to put these functions...I just skimmed the tutorial...guess Ill try reading all of it |
| 20:41:43 | wazlaf | hi |
| 20:44:03 | nasa | cya |
| 20:46:48 | mutexer | anyone familiar with this fullscreen tutorial? I cant seem to get it to work |
| 20:53:25 | mutexer | does anyone from eon games come in here? |
| 20:56:25 | chouimat | back |
| 21:05:44 | mutexer | nm..I finally got it working |
| 21:16:31 | sauruz | morning all |
| 21:29:02 | chouimat | saurus: morning? |
| 21:39:50 | extremis | kergoth: my thumbs are really tired now |
| 21:46:04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:48:23 | ljp | hmm hmmm |
| 22:14:29 | n65187281 | is there going to be a fix for the suspend/resume problem soon? |
| 22:15:26 | n65187281 | i'm not sure what package it was, but after upgrade i started having to eject my cf card after resume |
| 22:22:31 | chouimat | re |
| 22:22:47 | mark | hi chouimat |
| 22:23:41 | chouimat | mark: hehe ;-D |
| 22:28:09 | ljp | hoo haa |
| 22:41:38 | mark | ljp: you smell |
| 22:41:51 | ljp | I what?!? |
| 22:46:49 | chouimat | he KallDrexx |
| 22:47:03 | KallDrexx | hey chouimat |
| 23:00:45 | sauruz | huh? |
| 23:03:01 | | mark is nothing but an elf-skinned ass-full of weedy pods. |
| 23:03:01 | ljp | ibot: insult mark |
| 23:03:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth!?!!!!!!!! |
| 23:03:15 | ljp | y... weedy pods |
| 23:03:18 | mark | ljp: hehe |
| 23:03:23 | TheMasterMind1 | goes to kergoth's house and shoots him |
| 23:03:26 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 23:03:34 | ljp | kergoth needs a break |
| 23:03:45 | mark | i've got some little mosque thing flyin about |
| 23:04:16 | ljp | mosquito? |
| 23:04:31 | ljp | mini vampire |
| 23:07:43 | mark | lol |
| 23:07:56 | mark | no its not that, its something else |
| 23:07:59 | mark | with white wings |
| 23:08:06 | ljp | angel? |
| 23:08:09 | ljp | hehehe |
| 23:08:18 | mark | hmm, perhaps |
| 23:08:21 | mark | chases after it |
| 23:08:25 | ljp | it's a 'flying thing' |
| 23:08:26 | mark | wants mathematica for the z, maybe it'll bring it |
| 23:11:44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:11:55 | TheMasterMind1 | mathematicia isn't free is it |
| 23:12:19 | TheMasterMind1 | makes a new initrd and hopes that opie is fixed |
| 23:12:41 | mark | TheMasterMind1: not officialy :) |
| 23:12:50 | ljp | fixed? im what way? |
| 23:12:58 | TheMasterMind1 | mark haha |
| 23:13:06 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp its borked. the one i compiled last night didn't start opie |
| 23:13:16 | TheMasterMind1 | and when i got it to start |
| 23:13:21 | TheMasterMind1 | all key input goes to console |
| 23:13:25 | TheMasterMind1 | and screws up the screen |
| 23:13:37 | ljp | hehehehe |
| 23:13:57 | ljp | better kernel debuggin that way |
| 23:14:06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? |
| 23:14:11 | TheMasterMind1 | the kernel is the same as the old one |
| 23:14:15 | TheMasterMind1 | its not the kernel causing it |
| 23:14:24 | ljp | ok, better debugging that way |
| 23:14:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't mind console |
| 23:14:57 | TheMasterMind1 | but it has to work if we want to release a new oz verison |
| 23:15:35 | TheMasterMind1 | BZFlag hey |
| 23:15:49 | ljp | well.. kernel messag eon the screenisnt an opie issue |
| 23:16:02 | ljp | messages on, that is |
| 23:16:08 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? |
| 23:16:09 | KallDrexx | stupid mplayer |
| 23:16:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel messages? |
| 23:16:17 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx ? mplayer rocks |
| 23:16:25 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: um one problem with it |
| 23:16:27 | nasa | does anyone know why I get this all the time: "1688 D ipkg -dest sd -force-defaults -force-depends install ..." |
| 23:16:31 | ljp | ya messages on the screen. isnt that what you are experiencing? |
| 23:16:50 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: when i'm watching the matrix 2 trailer the numbers it's displaying in the console screw it up so it downs' show anything |
| 23:16:54 | ljp | you know.. what usually gets put in /var/log/messages |
| 23:17:19 | ljp | or dumped to /dev/null |
| 23:17:30 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp no, opie won't start unless i symlink all the libs to /lib and its anything i type via the keyboard or the keys on the front (home, arrows) go to console instead of the opie app i have open |
| 23:17:44 | nasa | This error message is with oz... |
| 23:18:01 | TheMasterMind1 | im' not getting message.. my keys aren't working with opie |
| 23:18:08 | TheMasterMind1 | all keypresses go to the console |
| 23:18:13 | ljp | thats still not an opie issue |
| 23:18:20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:18:21 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe |
| 23:18:28 | TheMasterMind1 | it might be |
| 23:18:35 | ljp | opie works fine here |
| 23:18:45 | TheMasterMind1 | when was it compiled? |
| 23:19:10 | ljp | I dunno. .hang on |
| 23:19:26 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 23:19:37 | TheMasterMind1 | im' talking about the source i compiled 20 hours ago |
| 23:19:47 | TheMasterMind1 | stuff before that was working for me also |
| 23:20:27 | ljp | arm or x86? |
| 23:25:37 | ljp | works fin eon x86 |
| 23:25:40 | ljp | gak |
| 23:25:47 | ljp | thumbs need help |
| 23:27:25 | | You are nothing but a ruttish assload of coughed-up urine samples. |
| 23:27:25 | mark | ibot: insult me |
| 23:28:59 | | its captain proton! |
| 23:28:59 | ljp | ibot: who's your daddy? |
| 23:29:12 | ljp | hmmm someone changed that |
| 23:29:38 | | ljp, I didn't have anything matching 'who's your daddy' |
| 23:29:38 | ljp | ibot: forget who's your daddy |
| 23:29:47 | ljp | crap |
| 23:30:06 | mark | he is |
| 23:30:15 | | mark, I didn't have anything matching 'who's your daddy?' |
| 23:30:15 | mark | ibot: forget who's your daddy? |
| 23:30:21 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 23:30:37 | | ljp, I didn't have anything matching 'who's ' |
| 23:30:37 | ljp | ibot: forget who's |
| 23:30:42 | | ljp, I didn't have anything matching 'who's your' |
| 23:30:42 | ljp | ibot: forget who's your |
| 23:30:49 | ljp | heheh oh well |
| 23:30:51 | | mark: huh? |
| 23:30:51 | mark | ibot: you suck |
| 23:30:52 | | KallDrexx, I didn't have anything matching 'who's your daddy?' |
| 23:30:52 | KallDrexx | ibot forget who's your daddy? |
| 23:31:02 | | mark, I didn't have anything matching '"who's your daddy?"' |
| 23:31:02 | mark | ibot: forget "who's your daddy?" |
| 23:31:04 | KallDrexx | lol the bots screwed |
| 23:31:10 | | ljp, I didn't have anything matching 'your daddy' |
| 23:31:10 | ljp | ibot: forget your daddy |
| 23:31:19 | | ljp, I didn't have anything matching 'whos your daddy' |
| 23:31:19 | ljp | ibot: forget whos your daddy |
| 23:31:40 | | KallDrexx: what? |
| 23:31:40 | KallDrexx | ibot shush |
| 23:32:49 | | its captain proton! |
| 23:32:49 | KallDrexx | ibot who's your daddy? |
| 23:32:54 | KallDrexx | err that's wierd |
| 23:32:58 | KallDrexx | kills ibot |
| 23:34:29 | ljp | ya.. it used to be me, and it would call me mr sexy pants |
| 23:34:35 | ljp | :D |
| 23:34:49 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 23:36:16 | sauruz | oh yall came to life. |
| 23:36:37 | sauruz | i was dozing thru mail. |
| 23:36:38 | ljp | yall? |
| 23:36:55 | sauruz | sat here for 30 mins not a word |
| 23:37:07 | ljp | oh that happens on saturdays |
| 23:38:04 | sauruz | i just love running the z through vnc. |
| 23:38:42 | ljp | well... |
| 23:38:52 | ljp | if you love it so much, why not marry it? |
| 23:39:13 | KallDrexx | oooh he told you |
| 23:39:16 | chouimat | ljp: cause he need his conscent |
| 23:39:16 | sauruz | lol |
| 23:44:28 | mark | is away: sleep |
| 23:44:39 | KallDrexx | sleep isfor the weak |
| 23:44:55 | mark | KallDrexx: and for the tired |
| 23:45:00 | KallDrexx | :D |
| 23:46:01 | mark | and those who have conceeded that they are going to get nothing more useful done |
| 23:46:13 | KallDrexx | heh that too |
| 23:48:31 | ljp | slacker! sleeping like that! |
| 23:55:23 | nasa | Plz help -- oz seems to hate me.... "D oipkg -qcop /tmp/qcop-msg-oipkg". Why oh Why? :[ |
| 23:58:19 | alex1241551`4 | how do i ctrl+z, while runing from the command prompt? i looked at zkeys.txt and it dident work |
| 23:59:25 | alex1241551`4 | fn+z did not ctrl+z |
| 23:59:34 | wazlaf | fn+shift |
| 23:59:38 | wazlaf | +z |