| 00:00:07 | alex1241551`4 | rikkus_: no your funny! |
| 00:00:08 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 00:01:52 | rikkus_ | maybe I could hack the hardware out of my cassette walkman... |
| 00:02:04 | rikkus_ | that has normal, bass boost and 'train' settings |
| 00:02:15 | alex1241551`4 | rikkus_: lol, good luck! |
| 00:02:32 | rikkus_ | the 'train' setting is great - you can actually listen to music on a train without wondering where all the hats and bass went |
| 00:03:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ARGH |
| 00:03:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't develop without space |
| 00:03:07 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit! |
| 00:03:14 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 00:03:18 | tux_mike | how to mod my mouse |
| 00:03:38 | TheMasterMind1 | fucking pos |
| 00:03:46 | TheMasterMind1 | someone gimme an account on a fast box with a lot of hdd |
| 00:03:48 | TheMasterMind1 | so i can develop oz |
| 00:04:05 | rikkus_ | TheMasterMind1: sure, if you want to work over a modem |
| 00:05:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:05:38 | TheMasterMind1 | aha! |
| 00:05:40 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get clean |
| 00:05:41 | TheMasterMind1 | my savior |
| 00:06:59 | ljp_ | I'm still trying to get apt-get laid working |
| 00:07:25 | tux_mike | ljp: if you get that working, i'm switching to debian |
| 00:07:26 | Yoso | heh |
| 00:07:28 | Yoso | apt-get rules |
| 00:07:37 | Yoso | God Bless Debian |
| 00:07:38 | tux_mike | as long as debian has a good nfs install |
| 00:08:00 | Neo|Work | someone should make a pr0n feed for debian |
| 00:08:11 | chouimat | re |
| 00:08:11 | Neo|Work | apt-get blond-poser |
| 00:08:12 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 00:08:18 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:08:18 | treke|home | apt-get install donkey |
| 00:08:25 | Neo|Work | that's just scary |
| 00:08:27 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a porn-get |
| 00:08:29 | TheMasterMind1 | or something like that |
| 00:08:38 | TheMasterMind1 | part of the spoof distro "lesbian" |
| 00:08:40 | TheMasterMind1 | based on debian |
| 00:08:45 | treke|home | oh wait, this is #zaurus not #icculus.org, that joke wont work :) |
| 00:08:56 | TheMasterMind1 | you can actually download the porn-get proggie and it gets porn |
| 00:08:57 | tux_mike | neo: but what if someone ailiases it to be apt-get gay-pr0n? |
| 00:08:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:09:09 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: porntoolkit? |
| 00:09:41 | tux_mike | ptk? |
| 00:09:47 | tux_mike | plib |
| 00:10:05 | chouimat | tux_mike: porntoolkit.sf.net :) |
| 00:10:24 | tux_mike | iesh |
| 00:10:38 | tux_mike | this mouse is gonna be so cool modded |
| 00:11:15 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: that would be scary yes. :) |
| 00:11:32 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 9 hours, 31 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: howdy ho [Thu Sep 5 15:39:51 2002] |
| 00:11:32 | chouimat | ibot seen BigBoss |
| 00:12:38 | scribe_mobile | Hey guys |
| 00:12:56 | tux_mike | hullo |
| 00:13:35 | scribe_mobile | what's the best way to get lots of stuff installed on a 5000d with a 64 meg mmc card? |
| 00:13:45 | scribe_mobile | should I use the 32 image? |
| 00:13:50 | scribe_mobile | and put everything on the card? |
| 00:13:59 | tux_mike | are you loading OZ? |
| 00:14:02 | scribe_mobile | and should the card be formatted ext2 or vfat? |
| 00:14:08 | scribe_mobile | tux_mike: yep |
| 00:14:11 | scribe_mobile | flashing now. |
| 00:14:12 | tux_mike | ext2 |
| 00:14:17 | tux_mike | ok, use the 26-6 |
| 00:14:32 | tux_mike | what i do, is i link /root to /mnt/ram/root |
| 00:14:35 | scribe_mobile | :) bummer. I'm flashing with the 32 |
| 00:14:48 | tux_mike | install a few apps to ram, most to sd |
| 00:15:06 | scribe_mobile | I had the 26 image, and never put anything in ram |
| 00:15:14 | scribe_mobile | and ran out of memory when viewing images |
| 00:15:16 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: ping |
| 00:15:34 | scribe_mobile | but my problem is the symlink stuf |
| 00:15:53 | Cloudchaser | heya chouimat: what's up? |
| 00:15:58 | tux_mike | the 6M wont help you that much with the image viewer |
| 00:16:02 | scribe_mobile | I've installed tons of stuff to mmc, then had something screw up in my system, and had to reflash. Then I lose all my symlinks |
| 00:16:17 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: znessus: GPL or commercial at 30$ |
| 00:16:38 | tux_mike | could always write a relinker |
| 00:16:43 | scribe_mobile | I kinda just want to get /opt or something over to the card |
| 00:16:55 | scribe_mobile | tux_mike: yeah! I think something like lndir would work |
| 00:16:55 | Cloudchaser | its done chouimat? |
| 00:16:58 | scribe_mobile | but not sure. |
| 00:17:06 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: 96% |
| 00:17:34 | Cloudchaser | cool chouimat: |
| 00:17:38 | scribe_mobile | an option in oipkg to 'relink apps on media' would really be useful. |
| 00:18:19 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: would you pay for it? |
| 00:18:34 | phobos19 | Hola |
| 00:18:36 | tux_mike | is feeling he is begining to turn into the BOFH |
| 00:18:51 | chouimat | tux_mike: welcome to the club :) |
| 00:19:03 | scribe_mobile | BOFM? |
| 00:19:10 | tux_mike | i've decided at work to change the resolution of the next person who complains about it being too high to 320x200 |
| 00:19:54 | treke|home | tux_mike: theres something wrong with that? |
| 00:19:58 | phobos19 | anybody try the new Xircom card? |
| 00:20:01 | scribe_mobile | is still flashing.... |
| 00:20:33 | tux_mike | new xircom card? |
| 00:21:03 | chouimat | tux_mike: 80x60? |
| 00:21:15 | scribe_mobile | anyone know all I need to install to get my socket bt card to work? |
| 00:21:35 | phobos19 | yeah, sorry |
| 00:21:43 | tux_mike | chouimat: well, 320x200 is the lowest res you can get windwos to run in :) |
| 00:21:44 | chouimat | scribe_mobile: plug it :) |
| 00:21:57 | phobos19 | tux_mike: there is a new xircum card "compact card" 10bt |
| 00:22:04 | chouimat | tux_mike: hmmm XP on 22" at 320x200 |
| 00:22:13 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: I would have to try it first i think, or try a demo |
| 00:22:14 | tux_mike | lol |
| 00:22:22 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser |
| 00:22:23 | Cloudchaser | if it was something i could use then yes i'd pay for it |
| 00:22:25 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: ok |
| 00:22:29 | Cloudchaser | hi W|GGL|T |
| 00:22:43 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: maybe |
| 00:22:47 | phobos19 | anybody get a chance to check one out? somebody was in here the other night that had one... |
| 00:22:51 | treke|home | oh another software payment flamewar? |
| 00:22:56 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: maybe I will made it commercial at 2$ |
| 00:22:58 | phobos19 | haha |
| 00:22:59 | scribe_mobile | chouimat: ??? I'm not sure what you mean. oz doesn't come with bt support by default does it? I've just finished flashing. |
| 00:22:59 | noda | Is there a way to list all packages you have installed which are out of date? |
| 00:23:21 | Cloudchaser | hehe i would buy it then for sure |
| 00:24:05 | treke|home | $2? who'd ever buy a $2 program? |
| 00:24:39 | W|GGL|T | it would be nice if more Zaurus gui software authors put version data in their menus |
| 00:25:25 | phobos19 | Hmmm, it is only listed on intel's site, and sells for $149.... OUCH |
| 00:26:04 | Zxcvb | is a 32MB CF card large enough to back up a 5500? |
| 00:26:21 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: don't know how to ask for :) |
| 00:26:39 | Zxcvb | I assume that the software in ROM (opera, hancom office, etc) is not backed up by the backup utility since it can be restored from the rom itself |
| 00:28:02 | phobos19 | I take this as a no... |
| 00:28:37 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: dont know how to ask for what? |
| 00:28:45 | Cloudchaser | and treke, i'd buy 2.00 software |
| 00:29:12 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: for znessus? |
| 00:29:26 | Cloudchaser | sure for anything that i wanted |
| 00:29:28 | treke|home | hehe, I've got this thing about software that cheap. If it was any good it would probably be more :) |
| 00:29:37 | Cloudchaser | i would buy for more |
| 00:29:50 | Cloudchaser | for 2.00 i would be happy if i liked it but wouldn't fret if i didn't |
| 00:30:10 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: 20 then ;) |
| 00:30:29 | treke|home | chouimat: Just one of those weird things :) |
| 00:31:41 | chouimat | treke|home: hehe |
| 00:31:46 | Cloudchaser | 20.00 is a good price |
| 00:32:37 | treke|home | chouimat: whats your app do anywyas? |
| 00:33:19 | chouimat | treke|home: nessus client |
| 00:33:23 | treke|home | ah cool |
| 00:34:34 | phobos19 | Sugar, how are you? |
| 00:34:41 | phobos19 | heh |
| 00:35:03 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: really? |
| 00:36:03 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: what are all the features of it? |
| 00:36:16 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: ssl |
| 00:36:25 | phobos19 | Can anybody suggest a good "wired" lan card? |
| 00:36:30 | angry | gah i cant get X working with debian |
| 00:36:38 | [DrEvil] | go figure |
| 00:36:41 | [DrEvil] | debian beatnik |
| 00:36:47 | [DrEvil] | it's debian |
| 00:36:48 | oGMo | hehehe |
| 00:36:50 | [DrEvil] | it should just work |
| 00:37:07 | oGMo | it's debian, that means you have a CHOICE |
| 00:37:12 | oGMo | what is this CHOICE? |
| 00:37:29 | angry | cant configure his hardware for X |
| 00:37:29 | oGMo | pick one: 1) up to date 2) stable and works |
| 00:37:33 | angry | nto debian's fault ;) |
| 00:37:34 | angry | *not |
| 00:37:47 | [DrEvil] | no one ever blames debian |
| 00:37:54 | [DrEvil] | it always works |
| 00:37:56 | [DrEvil] | no problems |
| 00:37:57 | Zxcvb | how large does a CF card need to be for a full Z backup using the builtin backup app? |
| 00:38:18 | [DrEvil] | which model of the Z? |
| 00:38:20 | angry | X never works on my computer |
| 00:38:22 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: will it do everything the desktop client will do? |
| 00:38:26 | angry | even when i was installing freeBSD |
| 00:38:26 | oGMo | Zxcvb: depends on how much you have installed, it's something like du ~ |
| 00:38:30 | angry | it took me a LONG tiem to configure |
| 00:38:32 | angry | i forget waht i did |
| 00:38:43 | [DrEvil] | you need a card as big as your ramdisk |
| 00:39:16 | [DrEvil] | so if your ramdisk is 32 megs then you need a card that holds 32megs+ |
| 00:39:29 | [DrEvil] | that is if you are running the Sharp ROM |
| 00:39:41 | [DrEvil] | if you are running OZ you probably want more space to backup the root f |
| 00:39:53 | angry | "Screens found but none have a usable configuration." |
| 00:40:03 | Zxcvb | running the Z rom, will a 32MB CF card be large enough for any backup? |
| 00:40:13 | [DrEvil] | at first it will be |
| 00:40:25 | [DrEvil] | it depends on how full you make the ramdisk |
| 00:40:32 | oGMo | the backup app needs to pipe through gzip, too :P |
| 00:40:44 | Zxcvb | assume I use the full 32MB on the Z |
| 00:40:44 | [DrEvil] | no it doesn;t |
| 00:40:54 | oGMo | gzip cuts my backups down immensely |
| 00:40:56 | [DrEvil] | the backup app in the sharp rom just uses tar |
| 00:41:07 | oGMo | [DrEvil]: see "needs to" ;) |
| 00:41:12 | Zxcvb | would a 32MB CF card be enough if the full 32MB on the Z is used? |
| 00:41:26 | oGMo | Zxcvb: maybe |
| 00:41:30 | Zxcvb | or would I need to keep it down to 30MB or so, because of fat16 overhead |
| 00:41:41 | [DrEvil] | keep it down a bit |
| 00:41:42 | oGMo | in fact, probably, because of a few minor factors |
| 00:41:58 | Zxcvb | or would formatting as ext2 help that? |
| 00:42:12 | oGMo | the whole 32MB isn't available to you for one, and it's just one file so i don't think fat will present an issue |
| 00:42:14 | [DrEvil] | don't mess with filesystems |
| 00:42:28 | [DrEvil] | things happen |
| 00:42:43 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid qt. stupid opie. |
| 00:42:45 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:42:50 | Zxcvb | doesn't the Z let you format the CF card as ext2? |
| 00:43:01 | [DrEvil] | not easily |
| 00:43:03 | phobos19 | uh oh, whats up MasterMind? |
| 00:43:05 | Kall|work | oooh my CF reader came in... now to upgrade ot Oz or not to upgrade to oz, that is the question |
| 00:43:05 | Zxcvb | or does that require third party software |
| 00:43:14 | Cloudchaser | i formated my sd card to ext 2 with no problem |
| 00:43:17 | Cloudchaser | from the z |
| 00:43:20 | [DrEvil] | you have to fdisk your card |
| 00:43:23 | TheMasterMind1 | phobos19 opie and qt were pissing me off so i deleted them from OZ |
| 00:43:26 | TheMasterMind1 | everyone can use command line |
| 00:43:28 | [DrEvil] | then format it |
| 00:43:44 | Kall|work | TheMasterMind1: hey can i get the latest initrd for OZ? |
| 00:43:45 | phobos19 | haha |
| 00:44:06 | [DrEvil] | build yer own initrd |
| 00:44:10 | Kall|work | how? |
| 00:44:13 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: what do you mean when you say you can't format your cf card with the z easily |
| 00:44:16 | noda | I've got an ext2 sd card :) |
| 00:44:21 | [DrEvil] | checkout the oz buildroot |
| 00:44:23 | noda | mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 :) |
| 00:44:25 | [DrEvil] | in the cvs |
| 00:44:28 | Cloudchaser | its about as easy as formatting from anywhere |
| 00:44:46 | KallDrexx | thanks TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:44:47 | Cloudchaser | noda: i think you have to fdisk first if you're formatting to a file system for the first time |
| 00:44:49 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 00:45:00 | [DrEvil] | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.openzaurus.sf.net:/cvsroot/openzaurus co -P buildroot-oz |
| 00:45:08 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: yeah, to set the fstype to 83 |
| 00:45:09 | oGMo | for ext2 |
| 00:45:11 | Zxcvb | CF cards are preformatted with FAT16 |
| 00:45:17 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser i said that? |
| 00:45:17 | [DrEvil] | that way you will always have an updated initrd |
| 00:46:08 | Cloudchaser | oh i'm sorry it was [DrEvil] that siad it |
| 00:46:15 | Zxcvb | just checking, looking at getting a Z in a month or two |
| 00:46:17 | phobos19 | so, any suggestions for a LAN card (wired) |
| 00:46:22 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] hmm, where do you get your opie/qt packages? |
| 00:46:22 | Cloudchaser | so [DrEvil] what did you mean by that? |
| 00:46:24 | TheMasterMind1 | stick em in oz/oz3/.... |
| 00:46:33 | W|GGL|T | wants to strangle amazon.com...i wanted to change my order and it was my understanding that you could cancel an order as long as it hasn't shipped. They won't let me cancel or change since they are in the process of getting the order ready |
| 00:46:33 | [DrEvil] | gets confused |
| 00:46:42 | [DrEvil] | I get opie from the same place kergoth does |
| 00:46:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:46:52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:46:56 | TheMasterMind1 | you compile it/ |
| 00:46:59 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 00:47:05 | [DrEvil] | he doesn't compile it |
| 00:47:05 | TheMasterMind1 | he does.. |
| 00:47:13 | TheMasterMind1 | does too |
| 00:47:25 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 00:47:30 | Zxcvb | are memorex CF cards supported? |
| 00:47:32 | [DrEvil] | unless he recently started to do that again |
| 00:47:43 | [DrEvil] | Zxcvb: CF cards shouldn't be a problem |
| 00:47:51 | [DrEvil] | there have been problems with various SD cards |
| 00:47:54 | phobos19 | my question was a free for all.... |
| 00:47:59 | phobos19 | ;-) |
| 00:48:00 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser: i can sync via wifi now :o) |
| 00:48:12 | Zxcvb | [DrEvil]: ah, the memplug has problems with memorex CF |
| 00:48:21 | Cloudchaser | yay! |
| 00:48:30 | Zxcvb | [DrEvil]: I assume there are palmdoc readers/editors for the Z |
| 00:48:31 | Cloudchaser | that's great W|GGL|T |
| 00:48:34 | W|GGL|T | and its FAST! |
| 00:48:38 | Cloudchaser | hehe yep |
| 00:48:51 | Cloudchaser | just don't upgrate to 2.37 |
| 00:48:55 | Cloudchaser | i mean 2.38 |
| 00:48:57 | | i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 00:48:57 | [DrEvil] | ibot zsi |
| 00:49:07 | [DrEvil] | Zxcvb: go there to find the Z software |
| 00:49:09 | W|GGL|T | i found out how to get the linksys router to see '192.168.129.201' too |
| 00:49:23 | W|GGL|T | ahh...yeah...2.38 has no wifi sync |
| 00:49:35 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 00:49:35 | noda | ibot show recent zsi |
| 00:49:35 | noda | grins. |
| 00:49:35 | Cloudchaser | you did? |
| 00:49:44 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 00:50:22 | W|GGL|T | under 'advanced/static routing' |
| 00:50:47 | W|GGL|T | the add the Z's data and the gateway |
| 00:51:26 | Cloudchaser | then you can get internet via usb easily? |
| 00:52:06 | kergoth | re |
| 00:52:08 | noda | So, when's OZ gonna get a kernel upgrade? :) |
| 00:52:26 | kergoth | noda: when I get some time or assistance or both |
| 00:52:28 | kergoth | noda: ;-) |
| 00:52:33 | noda | kergoth: lol |
| 00:52:35 | W|GGL|T | oh...dunno...haven't tried that yet, but i couldn't even ping my other systems with the Z until i did that |
| 00:52:45 | W|GGL|T | because if the Z's IP |
| 00:52:45 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 00:52:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:52:50 | noda | I know it sounds rude. I'm definitely not fit for kernel hacking :) |
| 00:52:53 | TheMasterMind1 | noda in other words, never |
| 00:52:57 | kergoth | noda: right now i'm upgrading our jffs2 version, cause the one in 2.4.6 is quirky |
| 00:52:58 | TheMasterMind1 | no new kernel for a while |
| 00:53:01 | phobos19 | can you get internet over USB using the Sharp ROM? |
| 00:53:10 | kergoth | noda: hah, i knew *nothing* about kernel coding until i started recently |
| 00:53:10 | mutexer | kergoth: you the wizard of OZ? :) |
| 00:53:14 | TheMasterMind1 | phobos19 yes. |
| 00:53:17 | noda | kergoth: There are a few quirks in 2.4.6, aren't there? |
| 00:53:18 | TheMasterMind1 | phobos19 and the oz rom |
| 00:53:19 | W|GGL|T | phobos19: i did, under XP and using a proxy |
| 00:53:22 | kergoth | noda: oh indeed. |
| 00:53:27 | dremspider | I am in troublw |
| 00:53:31 | TheMasterMind1 | mutexer heh, kergoth is the leading developer of oz |
| 00:53:40 | kergoth | mutexer: *ahem* Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! |
| 00:53:40 | dremspider | I had a card for a while |
| 00:53:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:53:48 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: are you compiling opie again? |
| 00:53:48 | mutexer | that makes him the wizard them :) |
| 00:53:48 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yeah |
| 00:53:49 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks this piece of shit |
| 00:53:57 | noda | kergoth: Btw, remember that problem with CPU randomly getting eaten up? It doesn't happen any more. I guess one of the upgrades fixed it. |
| 00:54:00 | [DrEvil] | when did you start doing that? |
| 00:54:05 | dremspider | I decided to format it and my Zaurus cant read it |
| 00:54:10 | kergoth | noda: yep, that was a bug in the opie clipboard applet apparently |
| 00:54:14 | phobos19 | TheMasterMind1: wait, does that mean I have to have the OZ rom for internet over USB? |
| 00:54:17 | dremspider | My PC does |
| 00:54:28 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: umm not sure. a while ago actually. i've been keeping it pretty up to date, mickey may drop his feed now |
| 00:54:28 | TheMasterMind1 | phobos19 no, you can have either |
| 00:54:30 | noda | Oh, lol, I removed that applet, that must be what fixed it :) |
| 00:54:33 | noda | Ctrl-V is all I need :) |
| 00:54:42 | kergoth | noda: hehe. the latest applet fixes it too though ;-) |
| 00:54:50 | kergoth | noda: i dont use it myself either |
| 00:54:50 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: cannot create regular file `/home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.2/src/tools': No such file or directory |
| 00:54:51 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 00:54:57 | TheMasterMind1 | that path isn't even defined anywhere! |
| 00:55:01 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:55:06 | kergoth | having fun yet? |
| 00:55:14 | TheMasterMind1 | loads |
| 00:55:15 | [DrEvil] | how big is the opie cvs tree? |
| 00:55:16 | phobos19 | TheMastermind1: do I need anything special; do I have to port something.... (os x) |
| 00:55:21 | dremspider | I formatted it w/ both linux and windows |
| 00:55:21 | dremspider | only the windows can now read it |
| 00:55:21 | dremspider | PLEASE HELP |
| 00:55:24 | noda | kergoth: Okay, another question: The "start menu" doesn't order apps alphabetically... "Terminal" comes before "File Manager". Any way to fix that? :) |
| 00:55:25 | dremspider | What can I do |
| 00:55:27 | TheMasterMind1 | phobos19 oh.. i don't think it works in mac |
| 00:55:31 | darienm | Where are those mysterious SHARP representatives when you NEED them ?!?! |
| 00:55:49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:55:52 | Cloudchaser | kergoth did you update the clipboard applet in the last couple days? cause after the last update i used it was still bad and i had to use the one harlekin sent me |
| 00:55:52 | phobos19 | yeah, I was hoping for some nice cli tool that I could fiddle with |
| 00:55:56 | dremspider | when I mkfs.vfat /dev/hda1 |
| 00:55:57 | tux_mike | must get fonts installed |
| 00:56:00 | darienm | I got a letter from Apple today, completely denouncing that they have ANY kind of driver that will connect the Zaurus to a Mac and allow TCP/IP over USB. |
| 00:56:00 | W|GGL|T | at home, like most of us |
| 00:56:02 | TheMasterMind1 | noda just ignore the lack of alphabeticallity |
| 00:56:05 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 00:56:08 | TheMasterMind1 | and all the other stuff that doesn't work |
| 00:56:10 | tux_mike | this teeny tiny font in xchat is driving me batty |
| 00:56:11 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 00:56:13 | noda | laughs. |
| 00:56:19 | dremspider | I get the error "Attempthing to create too large a filesystem |
| 00:56:22 | darienm | They do have a kind of driver, but because the Zaurus is not 100% CDC Ethernet Compliant it won't work. |
| 00:56:25 | dremspider | Why? |
| 00:56:25 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i've updated the feed as of today, but its off in http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/test/ |
| 00:56:25 | TheMasterMind1 | tux_mike xchat on your z>? |
| 00:56:27 | [DrEvil] | I found out I have been sending out a very old copy of my resume |
| 00:56:30 | darienm | They're happy to give me the source code, though. |
| 00:56:41 | phobos19 | hmmm... |
| 00:56:43 | tux_mike | no, on my pc ;P |
| 00:56:54 | [DrEvil] | make your font bigger |
| 00:56:59 | ljp_ | Cloudchaser: we updated suspend/resume in opie |
| 00:57:01 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: ah i don't need it, i switched back to sharp rom yesterday, just was asking for noda |
| 00:57:04 | dremspider | anyone know my problem |
| 00:57:05 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:57:18 | | opie is, like, the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 00:57:18 | mutexer | ibot opie |
| 00:57:20 | Cloudchaser | ljp_: i didn't have any issues with that i don't think |
| 00:57:28 | | oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 00:57:28 | KallDrexx | ibot oz |
| 00:57:34 | phobos19 | dremspider: so you gonna get it? |
| 00:57:40 | kergoth | Now you can suspend the Z after terminating opie, which means itll cooperate with X much better. |
| 00:57:50 | kergoth | VerxHome: |
| 00:57:53 | dremspider | When I mkfs.ext2 on my Z It freezes at 2/644 |
| 00:57:53 | noda | Mmm. |
| 00:57:54 | VerxHome | re all |
| 00:57:56 | VerxHome | how goes it this fine evening? |
| 00:57:58 | kergoth | VerxHome: welcome, ready to do more testing? |
| 00:57:58 | dremspider | Whet |
| 00:58:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: :-P |
| 00:58:05 | VerxHome | kergoth: Sure, what's up? |
| 00:58:05 | kergoth | VerxHome: not bad, i'm updating jffs2 in 2.4.6! |
| 00:58:12 | dremspider | Anyone>? |
| 00:58:12 | VerxHome | shudders |
| 00:58:16 | VerxHome | no! |
| 00:58:19 | VerxHome | you can't! |
| 00:58:22 | VerxHome | that is what I want! |
| 00:58:24 | VerxHome | :)))) |
| 00:58:24 | dremspider | Please can someone help |
| 00:58:26 | kergoth | VerxHome: http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/test/ .. grab the libopie ipk, make sure it still works |
| 00:58:34 | mutexer | so opie basically allows you to run more OSS?\ |
| 00:58:46 | Cloudchaser | dremspider: was it at vfat before you did the mk2fs? |
| 00:58:49 | kergoth | mutexer: opie has numerous improvements over qtopia, read up |
| 00:58:50 | VerxHome | kergoth: Ok. I also found another issue, though a mild one |
| 00:58:50 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 00:58:50 | kergoth | ibot: opie |
| 00:58:53 | kergoth | VerxHome: whats that |
| 00:58:58 | mutexer | I was reading it |
| 00:59:06 | dremspider | I am not sure |
| 00:59:11 | KallDrexx | kergoth: does opie come with OZ? |
| 00:59:21 | dremspider | CloudChaser. Not sure... It should have been |
| 00:59:25 | VerxHome | kergoth: the resume cycle is a bit more brutal than it previously was |
| 00:59:26 | Cloudchaser | well if it was vfat and you are going to ext 2, i belive you have to fdisk it first |
| 00:59:38 | dremspider | CloudChaser this is freshfrom the factory |
| 00:59:41 | Cloudchaser | then format it to ext2 |
| 00:59:47 | Cloudchaser | and unmount it first |
| 00:59:48 | VerxHome | I am doing a quick test here |
| 00:59:54 | VerxHome | to narrow it down specifically |
| 00:59:57 | Cloudchaser | then you probly have to download fdisk and do that first |
| 01:00:04 | dremspider | CAn I fdisk it in Windows |
| 01:00:07 | dremspider | I want it to be fat |
| 01:00:25 | VerxHome | kergoth: but here is my working theory: |
| 01:00:27 | dremspider | can I do it in Windows? |
| 01:00:36 | dremspider | Format it and fdisk it |
| 01:00:40 | KallDrexx | does opie come with the OZ rom? |
| 01:00:42 | VerxHome | kergoth: if I have an application open that is locking a file on sd/cf |
| 01:00:47 | VerxHome | after a resume, the app dies |
| 01:00:49 | noda | yes |
| 01:01:10 | KallDrexx | noda: thanks |
| 01:01:15 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome that's a known bug.. |
| 01:01:20 | TheMasterMind1 | and upgrade should fix |
| 01:01:23 | TheMasterMind1 | *should* |
| 01:01:27 | noda | KallDrexx: IMO opie is better - more people working on it, it's more mature and has more cool stuff. |
| 01:01:31 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: Which upgrade? The test feed? |
| 01:01:38 | Cloudchaser | drem i thought you were trying to make it ext 2? |
| 01:01:38 | TheMasterMind1 | theres a test feed? |
| 01:01:39 | dremspider | I am gonna run fdisk |
| 01:01:45 | KallDrexx | noda: ah cool. didnt' see a difference but i'm guessing there is |
| 01:01:54 | Cloudchaser | you can format it in windows, sure |
| 01:02:01 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: First things first - what upgrade should fix it? |
| 01:02:05 | Cloudchaser | if you want it to be vfat |
| 01:02:17 | dremspider | I do format in windows |
| 01:02:27 | VerxHome | ok, kergoth, I completed my testing |
| 01:02:28 | dremspider | And it cant be read in my Z |
| 01:02:33 | VerxHome | my theory was correct about this mild bug |
| 01:02:34 | noda | KallDrexx: It looks better :P |
| 01:02:35 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome actually, i dunno. there's some suspend/resume issues with cf in the 0901 opie ipkgs |
| 01:02:42 | KallDrexx | noda: hehe yeah saw that :) |
| 01:02:47 | dremspider | I have tried to mkdosfs in Linux also |
| 01:02:54 | KallDrexx | noda: althoug the colors are a bit... wierd |
| 01:03:02 | noda | KallDrexx: It's theme-able |
| 01:03:03 | phobos19 | TheMAsterMind1: what software do you use to connect to the internet over USB (is it propietary?) |
| 01:03:10 | KallDrexx | noda: sweeet |
| 01:03:56 | treke|home | time to try building the new opie todo list :) |
| 01:04:01 | noda | usbdnet, open-source but unstable |
| 01:04:17 | dremspider | Cloud I have also tried to do it mkfs.vfat on the zaurus and I get that the filesystem is too big |
| 01:04:25 | phobos19 | noda:can you use that with the Sharp ROM? |
| 01:04:29 | KallDrexx | noda: heh got that right. kept seg faulting and killing the kernel |
| 01:04:31 | noda | dremspider: Maybe it thinks it's read-only or something weird like that... |
| 01:04:34 | kergoth | VerxHome: he's referring to sandman's fixes of the power key handling in opie, the suspend improvements, which i wanted you to test by grabbing that libopie |
| 01:04:39 | noda | phobos19: Yes |
| 01:04:39 | TheMasterMind1 | phobos19 you need your zaurus to be able to communicate with your machine first over the usb. setup tcp over usb somehow.. i don't think you can with mac.. can you sync with your Z using usb in mac? |
| 01:05:00 | phobos19 | I am getting the Z tonight |
| 01:05:04 | dremspider | Their is no read only on Cf card |
| 01:05:07 | Cloudchaser | what was the message dremspider? |
| 01:05:10 | phobos19 | I know for sure that I can't sync with anything... |
| 01:05:10 | noda | KallDrexx: For me it'd mean I couldn't use any new USB devices after I'd used usbdnet once... and since I plugged in and unplugged my Z all the time, that meant a lot of reboots. |
| 01:05:10 | dremspider | s |
| 01:05:16 | noda | Got wireless. Much better :) |
| 01:05:16 | VerxHome | ok kergoth, I am on it |
| 01:05:33 | VerxHome | kergoth: I simply wanted to complete my testing BEFORE I went and added a new variable, if you can understand. :) |
| 01:05:40 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 01:05:42 | kergoth | VerxHome: understood |
| 01:05:49 | treke|home | VerxHome: what are you working on now? |
| 01:05:49 | darienm | phobos19: You trying to sync a Zaurus with a Mac ? |
| 01:05:55 | KallDrexx | noda: heh. well some guy had the same problem as I did, it turns out for some reason something in usbdnet was NULL and wasn't chekcing so it would segfault |
| 01:06:04 | phobos19 | I don't have my Z yet, I was just wondering... |
| 01:06:09 | KallDrexx | noda: tho it only affected me when i was talking to the Z |
| 01:06:11 | phobos19 | darienm: it would be nice... |
| 01:06:13 | KallDrexx | noda: i have a fix if you want to see it |
| 01:06:16 | VerxHome | treke: Just getting the last few opie bugs worked out |
| 01:06:20 | VerxHome | er, s/opie/oz |
| 01:06:22 | noda | KallDrexx: Don't really need it thanks. |
| 01:06:23 | treke|home | VerxHome: ah |
| 01:06:30 | dremspider | any ideas |
| 01:06:32 | VerxHome | treke, let me rephrase that |
| 01:06:32 | darienm | phobos19: Its not going to happen, unless you are running Virtual PC and Windows 2000/XP. |
| 01:06:33 | KallDrexx | noda: ok cool, it's not really a fix, just doesn't seg fault |
| 01:06:39 | dremspider | I need to do something |
| 01:06:42 | phobos19 | or even a copy of Mandrake? |
| 01:06:43 | VerxHome | treke: I am FINDING the last few bugs so that KERGOTH can fix them |
| 01:06:44 | darienm | treke|home: Is that new VNC available yet? |
| 01:06:45 | DaWorm | there's no mac sync unfortuntaely |
| 01:06:45 | treke|home | VerxHome: thought you had a new app you were working on |
| 01:06:47 | VerxHome | feels like such a leech |
| 01:06:53 | W|GGL|T | today will work with sharp rom? |
| 01:06:57 | treke|home | darienm: http://treke.net/downloads/keypebble |
| 01:07:01 | VerxHome | treke: I do, been on hold a bit so I can finish my challenge app |
| 01:07:02 | noda | So, what dictionary app does everyone use on his/her Z? |
| 01:07:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hah! |
| 01:07:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i own you all of you |
| 01:07:22 | phobos19 | I mean, Qtopia will compile on my PPC Mandrake distro, right...? |
| 01:07:31 | treke|home | darienm: I'll try to keep it reasonably up to date. Working on speeding it up a bit |
| 01:07:34 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 01:07:34 | dremspider | arghhh |
| 01:07:36 | ljp_ | kergoth doesnt fix things, that script just deligates it to get fixed |
| 01:07:43 | ljp_ | :) |
| 01:07:47 | KallDrexx | noda: what good ones are there? |
| 01:07:49 | TheMasterMind1 | fear my qt compiling |
| 01:07:51 | VerxHome | kergoth: Are you certain the new libopie is in the test feed? |
| 01:07:57 | dremspider | does any1 know what filesystem too big means |
| 01:07:58 | noda | KallDrexx: I dunno, I've been using zbedic but I'm wondering if there are any others. |
| 01:08:00 | dremspider | ? |
| 01:08:04 | VerxHome | kergoth: If it is, I am assuming the rev hasn't changed. . . |
| 01:08:12 | kergoth | VerxHome: rev probably hasnt |
| 01:08:16 | KallDrexx | noda: that one pretty good? |
| 01:08:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: actually, the rev probably looks older.. hehe |
| 01:08:20 | VerxHome | ok, lemme rig it |
| 01:08:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: ipkg install http://...; |
| 01:08:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:08:31 | noda | KallDrexx: Well, it gives me definitions for words... guess it's not bad ;) |
| 01:08:39 | KallDrexx | hehe does it come with a good list? |
| 01:09:00 | noda | Has everything I need. |
| 01:09:05 | noda | Never found it lacking. |
| 01:09:06 | VerxHome | kergoth: Nah, I just made libopie be Version: 0.9.1-20000905-1 |
| 01:09:15 | VerxHome | kergoth: Then it decides on its own to upgrade |
| 01:09:16 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:09:50 | dremspider | how long does mkfs.ext2 take on the Z |
| 01:09:52 | dremspider | ? |
| 01:09:54 | dremspider | Cause It still hasnt moved from |
| 01:10:07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth haha! |
| 01:10:10 | dremspider | 2/644 |
| 01:10:21 | dremspider | I dont get this |
| 01:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | dremspider probably died. took only 10 secnds for me |
| 01:10:31 | dremspider | Is their any other ideas |
| 01:10:32 | TheMasterMind1 | you have a sandisk? |
| 01:10:36 | TheMasterMind1 | with an old rom? |
| 01:10:45 | TheMasterMind1 | what rom |
| 01:10:52 | VerxHome | um |
| 01:10:53 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 01:10:54 | TheMasterMind1 | i think an older busybox had some problems |
| 01:10:56 | VerxHome | do you have a Z? |
| 01:10:57 | dremspider | the newest |
| 01:11:03 | VerxHome | my power button doesn't work at ALL now |
| 01:11:04 | TheMasterMind1 | newest... ? |
| 01:11:07 | VerxHome | with this new libopie |
| 01:11:09 | dremspider | Also if I pull out the card it continues |
| 01:11:13 | VerxHome | kergoth: What does it do on yours? |
| 01:11:14 | kergoth | VerxHome: err |
| 01:11:20 | TheMasterMind1 | dremspider which rom |
| 01:11:20 | dremspider | It is at 75 |
| 01:11:21 | phobos19 | http://www.hgsc.bcm.tmc.edu/~kdurbin/zsync.html |
| 01:11:22 | kergoth | VerxHome: you may want to upgrade opie-base as well |
| 01:11:26 | VerxHome | heh |
| 01:11:27 | phobos19 | for all you non believers |
| 01:11:28 | kergoth | VerxHome: from the same test feed |
| 01:11:28 | VerxHome | ok |
| 01:11:29 | VerxHome | sec |
| 01:11:36 | kergoth | VerxHome: i upgraded everything from it, and its working great |
| 01:11:37 | kergoth | VerxHome: k |
| 01:11:40 | darienm | phobos19: I've talked to that guy. |
| 01:11:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth where be this test feed? |
| 01:11:47 | VerxHome | oh, should I just do an upgrade then? |
| 01:11:52 | dremspider | Sharps newest one |
| 01:11:53 | darienm | phobos19: He couldn't even start the challenge until he got the driver -- which apparently STILL doesn't exist. |
| 01:12:07 | phobos19 | darienm: damnit |
| 01:12:07 | TheMasterMind1 | dremspider that still doesn't tell me anything. sharp has atleast two new roms |
| 01:12:16 | KallDrexx | for Oz, do i copy the bootflag.txt to the cf? |
| 01:12:22 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 01:12:25 | TheMasterMind1 | figure it out |
| 01:12:27 | darienm | phobos19: Believe me, if there's ANYONE keeping tabs on Zaurus/Mac OS X its me. |
| 01:12:32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth fear my qt.mk |
| 01:12:33 | KallDrexx | love you too |
| 01:12:36 | dremspider | the new one w/ the update for SD cards |
| 01:12:37 | dremspider | 2.38 |
| 01:12:46 | phobos19 | darienm: well now I am as well |
| 01:13:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i realized i made all those :0 changes for nothing. since i was using custom _source etc i just put a custom patch -p0 |
| 01:13:51 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] qt and opie are soon going to be part of the buildroot, so you can build your own latest opie and qt stuff :D |
| 01:14:00 | dremspider | 2.38 |
| 01:14:24 | [DrEvil] | but I want to make ipks of qpe |
| 01:14:30 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] ? |
| 01:14:32 | dremspider | This card worked for a while |
| 01:14:36 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't that what i just said |
| 01:14:39 | dremspider | ANd I cant format it |
| 01:14:44 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 01:14:47 | [DrEvil] | you said qt |
| 01:14:49 | [DrEvil] | not qpe |
| 01:14:53 | dremspider | qpe |
| 01:14:53 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:15:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm still confused about the difference between all of those |
| 01:15:04 | dremspider | I am getting fdisk |
| 01:15:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i think opie replaces qpe |
| 01:15:16 | TheMasterMind1 | qt qtopia qpe opie qte |
| 01:15:18 | [DrEvil] | yes and no |
| 01:15:19 | dremspider | I dont have opie |
| 01:15:21 | TheMasterMind1 | too many qt* |
| 01:15:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, so what's the deal with qpe then |
| 01:15:34 | | BZFlag was last seen on #utah 39 seconds ago, saying: the -exec would be executed once per file found. the xargs version would glob it all onto one command line. ie: faster. [Fri Sep 6 02:14:55 2002] |
| 01:15:34 | ljp_ | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 01:15:37 | TheMasterMind1 | do i need to add that also |
| 01:15:37 | dremspider | please work fdisk |
| 01:15:45 | [DrEvil] | qpe is the commercial one |
| 01:15:49 | TheMasterMind1 | right.. |
| 01:15:50 | DaWorm | say qt in a design channel and they would think its quicktime |
| 01:15:50 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:16:39 | [DrEvil] | qpe is closed source and opie is open |
| 01:16:40 | W|GGL|T | ipkg doesn't want to install via networking with OZ test feed |
| 01:16:43 | dremspider | nope fdisk didnt work |
| 01:16:48 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] so why do you want to compile qpe? |
| 01:16:59 | [DrEvil] | I am not going to compile it |
| 01:17:07 | TheMasterMind1 | make ipks then |
| 01:17:11 | TheMasterMind1 | why |
| 01:17:11 | [DrEvil] | I want to rip it into ipks from the sharp rom |
| 01:17:19 | [DrEvil] | and make them work on the base OZ install |
| 01:17:23 | TheMasterMind1 | why...? |
| 01:17:29 | [DrEvil] | why not |
| 01:17:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 01:17:35 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like fun |
| 01:17:38 | [DrEvil] | like I keep saying |
| 01:17:46 | [DrEvil] | opie is incomplete |
| 01:17:46 | TheMasterMind1 | good luck |
| 01:17:49 | [DrEvil] | for me at least |
| 01:17:54 | TheMasterMind1 | opie is getting there |
| 01:18:01 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 01:18:03 | TheMasterMind1 | very fast |
| 01:18:04 | [DrEvil] | but it isn't there yet |
| 01:18:15 | dremspider | AAARRHGHHHH |
| 01:18:27 | KallDrexx | oooh the OZ logo is sweet |
| 01:18:27 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: ben just committed a backup/restore app.. |
| 01:18:31 | TheMasterMind1 | then stop complaining and start programming so it gets there :D |
| 01:18:34 | dremspider | Their goes an expensive card down the tubes |
| 01:18:38 | kergoth | dremspider: ? |
| 01:18:40 | [DrEvil] | that and I want to make the oz root into a more redhat like one |
| 01:18:42 | TheMasterMind1 | dremspider fun |
| 01:18:44 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I know |
| 01:18:45 | [DrEvil] | but |
| 01:18:45 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] hah |
| 01:18:55 | [DrEvil] | doesn't like debian |
| 01:18:56 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 01:18:59 | [DrEvil] | but anyway |
| 01:19:00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:19:03 | dremspider | Any more ideas |
| 01:19:05 | TheMasterMind1 | you're a weird one |
| 01:19:15 | TheMasterMind1 | redhat over debian? |
| 01:19:15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:19:25 | [DrEvil] | I like my init.d in it's rightful place |
| 01:19:28 | TheMasterMind1 | perculiur one indeed |
| 01:19:29 | [DrEvil] | /etc/rc.d |
| 01:19:34 | TheMasterMind1 | spelt right even |
| 01:19:47 | W|GGL|T | spelt? |
| 01:19:49 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 01:19:56 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I don't think ben's app will do a good backup if you have apps open |
| 01:19:56 | noda | Ooh! new James Bond trailer on quicktime! :) |
| 01:19:57 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] you realize how bad of a format that is.. files all over the place |
| 01:20:00 | TheMasterMind1 | copies of the same file |
| 01:20:06 | [DrEvil] | copies? |
| 01:20:06 | TheMasterMind1 | its absolutely stupid |
| 01:20:07 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: you think the sharp backup app will? |
| 01:20:07 | [DrEvil] | nah |
| 01:20:12 | [DrEvil] | they are called links |
| 01:20:24 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: the sharp backup exits qpe |
| 01:20:26 | kergoth | there's nothing wrong with the redhat init script setup |
| 01:20:26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth |
| 01:20:28 | VerxHome | ok kergoth, last of the upgrade is processing now |
| 01:20:30 | [DrEvil] | which exits the apps |
| 01:20:33 | dremspider | I cant mount the card either |
| 01:20:36 | KallDrexx | sweet opie comes with nothing |
| 01:20:41 | phobos19 | dremspider: have you tried Qtopia on a ppc linux distro? |
| 01:20:43 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: ah, we should add a checkbox or a popup in the new backup app then |
| 01:20:46 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel/qjpegio.cpp:189: confused by earlier errors, bailing out |
| 01:20:46 | TheMasterMind1 | cpp: output pipe has been closed |
| 01:20:52 | kergoth | KallDrexx: we keep it basic by default, grab what you want from the feed |
| 01:20:57 | noda | KallDrexx: You can write to flash where the ROM writes to. So just install whatever you want :) |
| 01:20:58 | dremspider | What if I reset the z |
| 01:20:59 | dremspider | ? |
| 01:21:01 | KallDrexx | kergoth: i like it like that |
| 01:21:06 | KallDrexx | noda: yeah i know :) |
| 01:21:07 | dremspider | Hard reset? |
| 01:21:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: read the SourceCode page in the wiki again |
| 01:21:17 | [DrEvil] | like you wont get a usable backup of your todo database from tkcToDo if you don't exit the app before backing up |
| 01:21:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you have to have libjpeg62 headers and libjpeg62 arm libs (note: we have these in staging...) |
| 01:21:50 | TheMasterMind1 | funtacular |
| 01:22:06 | KallDrexx | what's pim? |
| 01:22:24 | [DrEvil] | a cookie |
| 01:22:31 | noda | personal information manager |
| 01:22:37 | noda | i.e., contacts, calendar, etc |
| 01:22:38 | KallDrexx | woah so many feeds here by default |
| 01:23:07 | Guest | good evening |
| 01:23:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth stating/usr/lib/ ? |
| 01:23:14 | dremspider | I am gonna restart w/ a new card and a new everything |
| 01:24:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the libs are in staging/usr/lib/ and the headers are in staging/usr/include .. so you need to add them to -I and -L |
| 01:24:10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yep, did those two |
| 01:24:14 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see if it works |
| 01:24:17 | kergoth | k |
| 01:24:32 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I think I am going to use my kernel logo boot screen to display my ownership info |
| 01:24:38 | dremspider | should I give it a label |
| 01:24:38 | dremspider | ? |
| 01:24:41 | TheMasterMind1 | export CFLAGS="-I$(STAGING_DIR)/usr/include" && \ |
| 01:24:41 | TheMasterMind1 | export LDFLAGS="-L$(STAGING_DIR)/usr/lib" && \ |
| 01:24:43 | TheMasterMind1 | will that work? |
| 01:24:46 | dremspider | the cf cardshould it have a label |
| 01:24:49 | KallDrexx | ok with ip addresses, what does 0/24 mean? 192.168.129.0/24? |
| 01:24:57 | kergoth | VerxHome: TheMasterMind1: only if qt pays attention to CFLAGS and LDFLAGS.. |
| 01:25:04 | noda | It means 192.168.129.anything |
| 01:25:11 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 01:25:14 | kergoth | KallDrexx: /24 says the submask is 24 bits of 32, or 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:25:16 | noda | 24 == "the first 24 bits of the address are all you look at" |
| 01:25:19 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 01:25:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:25:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth if it doesn't i would put add them to the end ofmake? |
| 01:25:38 | KallDrexx | so should I change my netmask to 255.255.255.0? |
| 01:25:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not sure, look at qt's Makefile, see where you need to add it |
| 01:25:47 | kergoth | KallDrexx: ? |
| 01:25:55 | KallDrexx | never mind, ftp wasnt' going to it before |
| 01:25:56 | KallDrexx | it is now |
| 01:26:17 | dremspider | nope |
| 01:26:24 | dremspider | It still didnt work |
| 01:26:30 | dremspider | my card is gone |
| 01:26:34 | dremspider | I dunno |
| 01:26:41 | dremspider | I am mad.... not at you .... |
| 01:26:52 | dremspider | I wonder it I can return it to Sandisk |
| 01:26:59 | dremspider | Say it is defective |
| 01:27:01 | TheMasterMind1 | dremspider did you try to format it while it was still mounted? |
| 01:27:02 | noda | dremspider: i'm sure it's something else. |
| 01:27:17 | dremspider | I cant get anything |
| 01:27:21 | dremspider | hold on |
| 01:27:25 | TheMasterMind1 | did you umount it first? |
| 01:27:36 | KallDrexx | ok question.. wtih OZ how do I find a package to install that's on my CF? |
| 01:27:44 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx documents tab? |
| 01:27:49 | W|GGL|T | ok...time to watch blade II |
| 01:27:54 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 01:27:56 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: not showing up there |
| 01:27:57 | VerxHome | well kergoth |
| 01:28:01 | VerxHome | it went full circle |
| 01:28:04 | phobos19 | later |
| 01:28:08 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: and i mean with the software program |
| 01:28:16 | VerxHome | kergoth: I can suspend/resume fine now. No load problems. |
| 01:28:23 | noda | KallDrexx: You have to use the command-line, or click on it in the "Documents" tab. |
| 01:28:29 | VerxHome | kergoth: An app that talks to SD or CF doesn't quit when I resume from a suspend |
| 01:28:31 | dremspider | I am at my linux box |
| 01:28:41 | VerxHome | kergoth: But I cannot launch things until I eject the CF card |
| 01:28:47 | VerxHome | kergoth: So we are back to that problem now |
| 01:29:02 | dremspider | how should I format the card |
| 01:29:20 | dremspider | I have tried mkfsdos /dev/sda |
| 01:29:26 | dremspider | It did nothing |
| 01:29:26 | TheMasterMind1 | um? |
| 01:29:27 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 01:29:33 | TheMasterMind1 | /dev/sda? |
| 01:29:40 | TheMasterMind1 | is that what it is in the sharp rom? |
| 01:29:49 | dremspider | That is what my cf reader says |
| 01:29:53 | dremspider | on my laptop |
| 01:30:01 | TheMasterMind1 | cf? i thought we were talking about sd? |
| 01:30:05 | TheMasterMind1 | and your laptop is not the same as your Z |
| 01:30:08 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 01:30:08 | dremspider | NO CF |
| 01:30:15 | TheMasterMind1 | <dremspider> That is what my cf reader says |
| 01:30:29 | dremspider | yes cf |
| 01:30:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think its sda |
| 01:30:43 | TheMasterMind1 | and you should umount it first |
| 01:30:43 | dremspider | that is how it mount |
| 01:30:43 | dremspider | s |
| 01:30:53 | TheMasterMind1 | on your laptop or Z? |
| 01:30:53 | dremspider | It is a usb scsi |
| 01:30:58 | dremspider | laptop |
| 01:31:01 | TheMasterMind1 | NOT ON YOUR ZAURUS |
| 01:31:25 | TheMasterMind1 | its not automagically going to figure out that your laptop uses sda so you mean the cf |
| 01:31:46 | kergoth | VerxHome: okay, so the new suspend stuff didnt solve the issue. thanks, i'll throw a new libopie up there for ya in a sec |
| 01:32:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth :\ didn't work. and i can't tell from the make file |
| 01:32:11 | dremspider | It is what the cf drive is names |
| 01:32:15 | VerxHome | kergoth: Thanks |
| 01:32:19 | KallDrexx | how do I find my dns nameserver? |
| 01:32:24 | dremspider | It is using scsi emulation |
| 01:32:26 | kergoth | VerxHome: i'm banging my head against the wall here |
| 01:32:37 | VerxHome | kergoth: Let me try to help you |
| 01:32:38 | kergoth | VerxHome: new jffs2 depends on something that was added in 2.4.7! ONE version later! |
| 01:32:45 | kergoth | VerxHome: lmao |
| 01:32:50 | VerxHome | what is in this libopie using or doing different than the oone previous |
| 01:32:51 | VerxHome | ? |
| 01:32:56 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx ask your isp? |
| 01:33:03 | TheMasterMind1 | or figure out the one you're using |
| 01:33:12 | KallDrexx | is there a way to figure it out? |
| 01:33:14 | kergoth | VerxHome: oh, sandman fixed the power button handling, and added a call to ::sync() |
| 01:33:20 | TheMasterMind1 | cat /etc/resolv.conf / ipconfig in windows |
| 01:33:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ipconfig /all |
| 01:33:26 | KallDrexx | i'm in linux |
| 01:33:32 | TheMasterMind1 | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:33:39 | KallDrexx | k thanks |
| 01:33:41 | kergoth | VerxHome: so I either port the Z shit to 2.4.7, or i backport the shit jffs2 needs from 2.4.7 to 2.4.6 |
| 01:33:41 | dremspider | AYAAYAYA |
| 01:33:43 | Haldrik | Hey guys, i just installed an updated ROM (crow's mod to finder's ROM) and I love it...just wondering if there's a way to add back in the Hancom apps from the original rom. Is this possible? |
| 01:33:44 | kergoth | VerxHome: opinions? |
| 01:33:45 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 01:33:52 | VerxHome | kergoth: backport |
| 01:33:57 | VerxHome | just my thought on it |
| 01:34:02 | dremspider | I am gonna get Sandisk to replace it |
| 01:34:02 | kergoth | VerxHome: well *now* ya tell me |
| 01:34:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 01:34:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: i have it half ported to 2.4.7 |
| 01:34:10 | dremspider | It has a lifetime warranty |
| 01:34:10 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 01:34:28 | VerxHome | heh |
| 01:34:34 | VerxHome | kergoth: If you go to 2.4.7 |
| 01:34:40 | VerxHome | how long till you can have SD drivers? |
| 01:34:44 | kergoth | VerxHome: we'd have to force the insmod of the sd module |
| 01:34:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: it might still work, cause so little was changed from 6->7 |
| 01:34:55 | kergoth | VerxHome: insmod -f |
| 01:35:00 | dremspider | I dunno what to do |
| 01:35:05 | VerxHome | I didn't even know there was a -f |
| 01:35:09 | VerxHome | will have to remember that |
| 01:35:10 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:35:15 | kergoth | its force, you dont wnat to do that very often |
| 01:35:24 | kergoth | cause if the kernel ABI changed too much, things will get unpleasant fast |
| 01:35:24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i can't figure out where to do the -I and -L |
| 01:35:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:35:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well i'm busy atm, i'll get to it when i can |
| 01:35:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm about to rebuild a libopie ipk, and i'm porting Z support from 2.4.6->2.4.7 to get us the 2.4.19 jffs2 drivers |
| 01:35:50 | dremspider | 'now my cf card reader is not showing up in Linux |
| 01:36:20 | dremspider | Is their a way in windows to even do fdisk |
| 01:36:26 | dremspider | in win2k |
| 01:37:03 | noda | Where's a good place to find themes for opie? :) |
| 01:37:06 | noda | wants a .NET theme |
| 01:37:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth wonderful |
| 01:37:22 | dremspider | my sd card still works |
| 01:38:57 | tux_mike | wow |
| 01:39:07 | tux_mike | the linux acrobat reader works better than the windows one :) |
| 01:39:21 | alex1241551`4 | tux_mike: yeah on a fast computer |
| 01:39:45 | tux_mike | it did take a few seconds to load, but meh |
| 01:39:46 | DaWorm | indeed |
| 01:39:49 | tux_mike | it renders fast |
| 01:40:42 | tux_mike | but there are a few bugs i notice in the win version (like the page number not increasing as you scroll through pages) that arent in the linux version :) |
| 01:40:50 | deathmint|pc | dremspider: in explorer Properties from context menu on drive (right click) then look at tools |
| 01:41:08 | KallDrexx | arg can't get my Z to get to the net |
| 01:42:12 | dremspider | ok I am trying fdisk |
| 01:42:25 | dremspider | I hope it works |
| 01:42:30 | dremspider | Fix Something |
| 01:43:05 | dremspider | I dont think it is going to work |
| 01:43:21 | dremspider | How can a freshly formatted cf card have errors |
| 01:43:30 | dremspider | It works iin windows also |
| 01:43:37 | dremspider | that is the wierd thing |
| 01:43:48 | dremspider | It is just my cf card that cant see it |
| 01:43:58 | dremspider | No my cf I means my Zaurus |
| 01:45:40 | dremspider | ok I got my linux computer to read it |
| 01:45:55 | dremspider | what should I do to format it to fat |
| 01:46:05 | dremspider | unmount it first? |
| 01:46:41 | dremspider | I unmounted |
| 01:47:10 | dremspider | and did mkfsdos /dev/sda and I am getting will not try to make filesystem |
| 01:47:38 | Cloudchaser | did you fdisk it first? |
| 01:47:38 | alex1241551`4 | dremspider: where is your card mounted at ie. /mnt/cf? |
| 01:47:49 | alex1241551`4 | oh wait j/k |
| 01:47:51 | kergoth | dremspider: do not mkdosfs /dev/sda, mkdosfs /dev/sda1 |
| 01:47:52 | alex1241551`4 | you unmounted |
| 01:48:03 | kergoth | dremspider: sda is the main device, sda1 is the first partition |
| 01:48:10 | dremspider | OC |
| 01:48:22 | kergoth | OC? |
| 01:48:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:48:24 | dremspider | This is on my pc |
| 01:48:28 | dremspider | sorry |
| 01:48:36 | dremspider | I have a cf reader |
| 01:48:43 | kergoth | okay, its still sda1 when you mkfs |
| 01:48:50 | kergoth | you mkfs a *partition*, not a drive |
| 01:48:54 | alex1241551`4 | dremspider: just use your z! |
| 01:49:27 | treke|home | ok, crossref looks like to big a pain to compile :) |
| 01:49:34 | dremspider | mkfs -t nope ... Attemping to create a too large filesystem |
| 01:49:35 | kergoth | treke|home: really? |
| 01:49:41 | dremspider | neither work |
| 01:49:52 | treke|home | kergoth: Mostly do to my lack of cvs skills I'm sure :) |
| 01:50:04 | kergoth | dremspider: well sda1 is correct. something else is wrong. you deleted a partition and created a new one at the full capacity of the card? |
| 01:50:22 | kergoth | treke|home: ~/opie-crossref$ cvs up -Pd -r CROSS_REFERENCE; |
| 01:50:38 | dremspider | How can I do that |
| 01:50:53 | treke|home | kergoth: ah I was trying to do a fresh checkout, I didnt think to update |
| 01:51:08 | dremspider | fdisk /dev/sda and then what? |
| 01:51:42 | deathmint|pc | p to see if you've got junk partitions |
| 01:51:47 | kergoth | treke|home: co should work too, but so will that |
| 01:51:55 | kergoth | dremspider: in fdisk, type ? |
| 01:51:59 | deathmint|pc | as long as nothing shows up use n to create a new partition |
| 01:52:02 | kergoth | dremspider: thatll give you the commands |
| 01:52:21 | treke|home | kergoth: well a co only gave me the bits in CROSS_REFERENCE, which excludes libqpe and some other necesarry bits |
| 01:52:31 | dremspider | Ok I got rid of the one on the card |
| 01:52:36 | dremspider | and made a new one |
| 01:52:41 | kergoth | treke|home: ah, odd |
| 01:52:50 | kergoth | treke|home: see if the update works. if not, let me know |
| 01:52:54 | deathmint|pc | if there was one there that was full size you were ok |
| 01:52:57 | treke|home | like I said, its my skillz, not opie :) |
| 01:53:05 | deathmint|pc | but still same type is fine too |
| 01:53:08 | kergoth | dremspider: then type 'w' to write the partition table out |
| 01:53:14 | deathmint|pc | then do w to write |
| 01:53:16 | deathmint|pc | hehe |
| 01:53:56 | deathmint|pc | you should be doing your mkmsdosfs on /dev/sda1 |
| 01:54:40 | dremspider | it did it |
| 01:54:46 | deathmint|pc | nice |
| 01:54:51 | dremspider | now lets see if it worls |
| 01:55:07 | deathmint|pc | starts a drum roll |
| 01:55:39 | dremspider | Thanks guys |
| 01:55:46 | dremspider | it worked |
| 01:55:46 | deathmint|pc | realizes that the wrong patch was set on the synth for a drum roll anyway |
| 01:55:52 | dremspider | You are the greatest |
| 01:56:10 | dremspider | You saved a 128 MB ultra card |
| 01:56:30 | deathmint|pc | any clues on the cf suspend issue yet? |
| 01:56:47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth |
| 01:56:55 | dremspider | no but cloud is THE GREATEST |
| 01:56:56 | TheMasterMind1 | make[4]: *** [kernel/qgfxraster_qws.o] Error 1 |
| 01:56:59 | TheMasterMind1 | getting that one now |
| 01:57:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: that means nothing to me. look farther up to find the real error |
| 01:57:41 | TheMasterMind1 | /home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging/usr/include/bits/in.h:69: ANSI C++ forbids data member `ip_opts' with same name as enclosing class |
| 01:57:42 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 01:57:45 | TheMasterMind1 | that pos again |
| 01:57:52 | KallDrexx | for the Z i put #! /bin/bash for scripts right? |
| 01:57:54 | Cloudchaser | i am the greatest? why? |
| 01:58:05 | dremspider | u fixed it |
| 01:58:17 | Cloudchaser | i did? |
| 01:58:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe sorry was afk for a bit |
| 01:58:33 | Cloudchaser | glad you got it going though |
| 01:58:39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth it has a ip_opts char array inside a struct ip_opts |
| 01:58:39 | KallDrexx | anyone? |
| 01:58:53 | darienm | KallDrexx: or #!/bin/sh |
| 01:59:05 | KallDrexx | hmm then i chown u+x to make it runnable right? |
| 01:59:09 | dremspider | NOOOOO |
| 01:59:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, thats allowed in C, but not C++ |
| 01:59:13 | kergoth | dremspider: ? |
| 01:59:14 | deathmint|pc | yeah, kalldrexx no space |
| 01:59:14 | darienm | KallDrexx: that part is correct |
| 01:59:22 | dremspider | Windows messed up the card AGAIN\ |
| 01:59:23 | KallDrexx | deathmint|pc: ahh that's probably what's wrong |
| 01:59:29 | dremspider | DAMN BILL GATES |
| 01:59:33 | Cloudchaser | dremspider: i did my sd card last night...found out how to on zauruszone forums |
| 01:59:34 | darienm | KallDrexx: sorry, chmod u+x |
| 01:59:41 | deathmint|pc | yup |
| 01:59:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yea i figured that, but how do i get it to compile and ignore that |
| 01:59:42 | Cloudchaser | whats the matter dremspider? |
| 01:59:42 | kergoth | beats jffs2 with a large bat |
| 01:59:51 | KallDrexx | darienm: heh yeah that's what i meant |
| 01:59:53 | darienm | KallDrexx: chown is to change owner, looks like chown root:root but unnecessary in yoru case |
| 02:00:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not sure. capture those errros, the entire output, and email it to me |
| 02:00:08 | TheMasterMind1 | -fpermissive which turns this into a warning, thereby "solving" the |
| 02:00:09 | dremspider | I stuck it in my Win2k machine, and wrote a few files and it doesnt work now |
| 02:00:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: .. |
| 02:00:31 | deathmint|pc | are you doing an eject in windows before you take it out? |
| 02:00:40 | KallDrexx | darienm: yeah heh i meant chmod, typed chown |
| 02:00:44 | Cloudchaser | dremspider: i had that happen, it is probly your reader |
| 02:00:51 | dremspider | really |
| 02:00:51 | deathmint|pc | it might not be flushing file buffer if you didn't |
| 02:00:53 | Cloudchaser | i had it happen with my cf card |
| 02:00:55 | kergoth | just realized he forgot to eat dinner |
| 02:00:57 | Cloudchaser | now i don't use the reader with it |
| 02:01:02 | Cloudchaser | and its worked fine |
| 02:01:05 | KallDrexx | woohoo\ |
| 02:01:13 | Cloudchaser | i sent one back and it happend again |
| 02:01:20 | dremspider | What if I get a new reader |
| 02:01:23 | Cloudchaser | only way i could format it was with my camera |
| 02:01:25 | dremspider | It worked for a while |
| 02:02:00 | Cloudchaser | yeah mine did too..like once |
| 02:02:00 | dremspider | I would run it between windows and Linux all the time |
| 02:02:00 | dremspider | what about a pcmcia reader |
| 02:02:00 | Cloudchaser | i put it in pc and did some stuff then put it in z and it worked once |
| 02:02:02 | ryan_ | anyone know where i can find qpe-thekompany ipak? |
| 02:02:02 | deathmint|pc | dremspider: did you do an eject on the drive in windows before you removed it? |
| 02:02:03 | Cloudchaser | then nothing |
| 02:02:15 | dremspider | yes |
| 02:02:22 | deathmint|pc | k |
| 02:02:33 | Cloudchaser | i haven't tried it with another reader |
| 02:02:39 | Cloudchaser | what kind of reader do you have? |
| 02:02:44 | dremspider | PNY |
| 02:02:56 | deathmint|pc | is itching to flash a new oz |
| 02:03:12 | Cloudchaser | ah.. mine was a sandisk cf-->pcmcia reader |
| 02:03:29 | Cloudchaser | can you put it in linux pc and see if it works there? |
| 02:03:31 | dremspider | Mine is a PNY USB |
| 02:03:36 | dremspider | no it is not |
| 02:03:47 | dremspider | I am gonna have to format on it again |
| 02:04:24 | dremspider | on the linux box |
| 02:05:11 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: mine is a CF-IDE adaptor :) |
| 02:05:19 | dremspider | And make sure bill gates cant touch it |
| 02:05:43 | chouimat | night |
| 02:05:55 | alex1241551`4 | chouimat|Zzzz: cool! |
| 02:05:57 | Cloudchaser | did you have trouble with it chouimat|Zzzz? |
| 02:06:21 | dremspider | It works again |
| 02:06:23 | dremspider | HAHAH |
| 02:06:25 | chouimat|Zzzz | Cloudchaser: nope my 64MB CF work well under FreeBSD |
| 02:06:35 | kergoth | dremspider: see what you get for using windows... :-P |
| 02:06:42 | dremspider | Bill Gates doesnt play well with others |
| 02:06:42 | Cloudchaser | dremspider: did you have to reformat it? |
| 02:06:51 | dremspider | In Linux yes |
| 02:06:56 | dremspider | It works fine |
| 02:06:59 | kergoth | needs to kick the shit out of something |
| 02:07:03 | Cloudchaser | ok put it in z and leave it there |
| 02:07:04 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 02:07:24 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: ? |
| 02:07:31 | dremspider | This gives me all the more reason to switch over entirely to Linux |
| 02:07:33 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: things not cooperating |
| 02:07:35 | dremspider | WAHOOOP |
| 02:07:51 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: ok |
| 02:08:01 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: and i forgot to eat dinner |
| 02:08:06 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: which is just odd |
| 02:08:13 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: go take some beer in a club |
| 02:08:40 | VerxHome | helps kergoth kick things |
| 02:08:48 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:09:05 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: I didn't eat today. just drink about 12 beers so I'm feeling very well :) |
| 02:09:08 | VerxHome | kergoth: Can I just switch back to libopie in the stable feed? |
| 02:09:08 | dremspider | I hate windows |
| 02:09:16 | VerxHome | or should I wait for a new one in test? |
| 02:09:17 | chouimat|Zzzz | dremspider: ditch it |
| 02:09:25 | dremspider | I wonder if this is Bills fault of Linus' fault |
| 02:09:34 | kergoth | VerxHome: wait for a new one, and thanks for the reminder |
| 02:09:42 | VerxHome | k |
| 02:09:59 | BZFlag | if in doubt, blame bill. ;-) |
| 02:10:04 | TheMasterMind1 | bleh |
| 02:10:05 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: 64MB CF it's ok for OZ? |
| 02:10:19 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: blah, my name is Count Blah |
| 02:10:40 | dremspider | yeah probably |
| 02:10:48 | deathmint|pc | chouimat: it should be |
| 02:11:15 | dremspider | Bill is the reason for global warming |
| 02:11:17 | chouimat|Zzzz | deathmint|pc: because a 256MB is 229$ here :( |
| 02:11:23 | dremspider | My friend and I calculated it |
| 02:11:29 | deathmint|pc | omg |
| 02:12:00 | chouimat|Zzzz | dremspider: he's also the reason why I'm single for the last 31 months, damned Windows |
| 02:12:08 | deathmint|pc | you know I got a 128 sd in a cruz drive at buy.com for $10 less than a 128 sd alone |
| 02:12:16 | dremspider | PCs get about 5-8 degrees warmer using windows |
| 02:12:25 | dremspider | Y are you single cause of windows |
| 02:12:27 | deathmint|pc | about $80 |
| 02:12:37 | dremspider | ohhhh no |
| 02:12:43 | chouimat|Zzzz | deathmint|pc: I'm in Canada |
| 02:12:50 | dremspider | this still aint working |
| 02:13:14 | KallDrexx | is it bad to take out the CF wihtout ejecting it? |
| 02:13:18 | dremspider | now I insert the card only to have my CRASH!!!! |
| 02:13:26 | kergoth | VerxHome: try the one in test now. |
| 02:13:39 | VerxHome | okie, thankya |
| 02:13:43 | kergoth | np |
| 02:13:51 | chouimat|Zzzz | dremspider: but I'm ok now because I have a cat, ok it's not a girlfriend but sometime it make me feel like I have one :) |
| 02:13:53 | dremspider | do you think the problem is the card |
| 02:14:27 | dremspider | or the reader |
| 02:14:28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm, you know, we could try that 2.4.6 patch on each revision (2.4.7 2.4.8 etc) until it stopped working and then use the one it last worked on :D |
| 02:14:32 | | hmmm... qtopia is the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 02:14:32 | alex|nothere | ibot qtopia |
| 02:14:33 | dremspider | this is horrible |
| 02:14:35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it fails on 2.4.7 |
| 02:14:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm making it work on it now. |
| 02:14:40 | TheMasterMind1 | aww |
| 02:14:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:14:51 | dremspider | my card is doomed forever |
| 02:15:05 | dremspider | or is it my 20 dollar reader |
| 02:15:25 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: which revision you have now? |
| 02:16:07 | | i think howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 02:16:07 | alex|nothere | ibot howto |
| 02:16:38 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: i'm working on 2.4.7-rmk3-np1 right now, and merging in jffs2 from 2.4.19 |
| 02:17:09 | KallDrexx | in OZ, when I click on an ipkg how to I tell it to install to the CF? |
| 02:17:19 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: ok got netbsd working on an ipaq today :) |
| 02:17:24 | kergoth | KallDrexx: tap+hold on the packagename in the To Install screen |
| 02:17:25 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx long click |
| 02:17:25 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: really? |
| 02:17:30 | KallDrexx | ah ok |
| 02:17:32 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: yup |
| 02:17:33 | VerxHome | kergoth: Ok, I can suspend/resume now and launch apps |
| 02:17:36 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: sweet |
| 02:17:39 | treke|home | chouimat|Zzzz: rock on |
| 02:17:41 | VerxHome | I just have to make sure I exit everything before I suspend |
| 02:17:47 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: waiting for my z :) |
| 02:17:56 | kergoth | VerxHome: wait, so with this you get bug #2, and with the other you get bug #1? |
| 02:18:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: but not vice versa? |
| 02:18:01 | VerxHome | yup |
| 02:18:04 | chouimat|Zzzz | I want QNX |
| 02:18:04 | kergoth | thats fucked up |
| 02:18:07 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: me oto |
| 02:18:18 | VerxHome | I tend to agree kergoth |
| 02:18:23 | VerxHome | quite fucked up indeed |
| 02:18:40 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: hmmm a 256MB CF dual boot :) |
| 02:18:59 | dremspider | I formatted to ext2 |
| 02:19:02 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: nifty. I didnt know netbsd supported the strongarm, you have a url handy? |
| 02:19:13 | dremspider | I give up being "windows compatibles |
| 02:19:14 | dremspider | " |
| 02:19:21 | dremspider | n omoew |
| 02:19:49 | dremspider | no more |
| 02:19:51 | KallDrexx | how do I update the ipkg feeds? |
| 02:20:05 | dremspider | good night |
| 02:20:08 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: www.netbsd.org (arm26,arm32,netwinder,hpcarm <- this one) |
| 02:20:21 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: oo nifty. thanks |
| 02:20:28 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: I want that on my Z, just on principle |
| 02:20:29 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: ;-) |
| 02:20:46 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: the first two is the Acorn computers |
| 02:20:58 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: try the hpcarm |
| 02:21:32 | TheMasterMind1 | aha! |
| 02:21:46 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 02:21:57 | NeoTron | is back (gone 20:32:53) |
| 02:21:57 | TheMasterMind1 | i forced it to compile |
| 02:22:05 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid poc |
| 02:22:10 | TheMasterMind1 | it will obey me! |
| 02:22:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i am the master |
| 02:22:22 | TheMasterMind1 | it is the makefile |
| 02:22:38 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: POC? |
| 02:22:42 | TheMasterMind1 | piece of crap |
| 02:22:43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:22:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ignore me, i need sleep badly |
| 02:23:13 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: ok. I though you was speaking about the Portable Objective-C Compiler (POC) |
| 02:23:32 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:23:36 | TheMasterMind1 | easily confusable |
| 02:23:42 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: good Idea SLEEP |
| 02:23:49 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 02:23:55 | TheMasterMind1 | need to make a patch for this stupid pos now |
| 02:24:05 | chouimat|Zzzz | initiating SLEEPMODE Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 02:27:06 | crzylune | . |
| 02:30:23 | VerxHome | by any freak chance, is there a keyboard/button method to switch from one running app to the next? |
| 02:31:15 | kergoth | i dont think so |
| 02:31:28 | VerxHome | I wish appskey let you define something that would do that |
| 02:31:30 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:31:30 | kergoth | i think you have to use the taskbar, so if you're out of room int eh taskbar, you're in trouble |
| 02:31:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:31:34 | kergoth | yeah, thatd be nice |
| 02:31:41 | kergoth | or we need a 'running apps' dropdown like in matchbox |
| 02:31:48 | VerxHome | yeah, that would kill |
| 02:31:56 | VerxHome | that is what the "Q" menu needs to be |
| 02:32:50 | VerxHome | kergoth: Hrm, the resume thing is almost annoying enough to make me revert to the pre september version of my Z |
| 02:32:51 | VerxHome | :( |
| 02:33:01 | VerxHome | I will stick with it tho |
| 02:33:10 | TheMasterMind1 | The Qt library is now built in ./lib |
| 02:33:11 | TheMasterMind1 | The Qt examples are built in the directories in ./examples |
| 02:33:11 | TheMasterMind1 | The Qt tutorials are built in the directories in ./tutorial |
| 02:33:12 | TheMasterMind1 | haha! |
| 02:33:39 | kergoth | VerxHome: odd |
| 02:33:47 | VerxHome | Page total: $455.00 $355.01 $0.00 5 |
| 02:33:52 | VerxHome | go baby go baby go! |
| 02:34:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: i dont get why it used to work, cause what its doing now in the test feed is almost exactly what it used to do |
| 02:34:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: congrats |
| 02:34:11 | KallDrexx | how big should I make my background pic? |
| 02:34:12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth :D |
| 02:34:22 | VerxHome | kergoth: Well, I think I have an idea what part of it is |
| 02:34:22 | TheMasterMind1 | too bad i had to go into the dir and type make |
| 02:34:29 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid makefile template *mutter* |
| 02:34:33 | VerxHome | part of it is whatever they did to "fix" clipboard |
| 02:35:10 | VerxHome | kergoth: See, with the pre september image I have, everything works perfect unless you have a 256MB CF card or a wireless card. In those cases, you get the cpu load problem |
| 02:35:31 | VerxHome | kergoth: In the september and current stuff, I can use a 256MB cf card without the load problem |
| 02:35:38 | VerxHome | but it has this suspend/resume glitch |
| 02:35:45 | chouimat|Zzzz | hehehe, just got the following email from my little brother: I got a Gameboy advance gnagnagnagna.... |
| 02:36:00 | VerxHome | -*OR*- the suspend/resume glitch can be killed, but you can't launch apps until you eject the CF |
| 02:36:06 | VerxHome | actually. . . . |
| 02:36:16 | VerxHome | kergoth, I have one other test I could do |
| 02:36:21 | VerxHome | dagnabit though |
| 02:36:26 | VerxHome | I need a different libopie to do it |
| 02:36:27 | VerxHome | :( |
| 02:36:38 | drzoidberg | yeah dagnabit |
| 02:36:47 | drzoidberg | :) |
| 02:37:06 | VerxHome | heh |
| 02:41:50 | numatrix_home | Evening everone. |
| 02:42:04 | numatrix_home | couldn't sleep, so he's updating massive amounts of applications on ZSI. :-) |
| 02:42:16 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 02:42:59 | numatrix_home | Anyone done any recent konqueror embedded snapshots? Seems like it's been a while. I might give it a go tomorrow at work. |
| 02:43:43 | anselor | numatrix_home: mirror up and going? |
| 02:44:32 | numatrix_home | anselor: beats me, check with killefiz. |
| 02:44:58 | numatrix_home | anselor: at least it appears he's not doing the mysql calls remotely; the page loads quick enough now. |
| 02:45:08 | numatrix_home | still got some broken links to iron out. |
| 02:45:26 | numatrix_home | anselor: check it out, I've been busy: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/stats.php |
| 02:45:31 | numatrix_home | anselor: plus, check your email |
| 02:45:48 | treke|home | darienm: around? |
| 02:45:55 | darienm | yes |
| 02:46:07 | ljp_ | I dont thikn konq embedded has beenworked for for a while |
| 02:46:20 | treke|home | darienm: ljp_ its still being worked on |
| 02:46:38 | ljp_ | it is? |
| 02:46:47 | ljp_ | I thought tronical didnt have time |
| 02:47:10 | treke|home | probably true, but some changes have been made, so someone must be working on it |
| 02:47:11 | anselor | numatrix_home: sounds good. |
| 02:47:12 | darienm | treke|home: question for me? |
| 02:47:32 | treke|home | darienm: yeah. I need you to do a speed check on a keypebble binary ( forgot my ipaq at work) |
| 02:47:37 | kergoth | VerxHome: ping |
| 02:47:41 | darienm | what do you want me to do? |
| 02:47:45 | VerxHome | kergoth: I am here |
| 02:47:58 | kergoth | VerxHome: just for shits, try the libopie in the test feed. |
| 02:48:02 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:48:02 | VerxHome | sec |
| 02:48:09 | kergoth | k |
| 02:48:19 | anselor | numatrix_home: check for reply |
| 02:48:35 | treke|home | darienm: http://treke.net/downloads/keypebble/keypebble <-- should be significantly faster, but more artifacts on screen |
| 02:48:35 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:48:40 | VerxHome | restarting opie |
| 02:48:46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth do you get a whole bunch of "No such file or directory" on Makefiles when you compile opie? |
| 02:49:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nope |
| 02:49:34 | TheMasterMind1 | nor do i |
| 02:49:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:50:26 | VerxHome | kergoth: Same as previous |
| 02:50:28 | VerxHome | man |
| 02:50:34 | kergoth | ah well, was worth a shot |
| 02:50:36 | kergoth | i have no idea now |
| 02:50:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:50:44 | VerxHome | it takes it like a full 10 - 15 seconds to start being responsive |
| 02:50:46 | VerxHome | it does the whole |
| 02:50:49 | VerxHome | ejecting CF |
| 02:50:52 | VerxHome | ejecting SD |
| 02:50:55 | VerxHome | found CF |
| 02:50:57 | VerxHome | found SD |
| 02:51:01 | VerxHome | and THEN you can use it |
| 02:51:04 | kergoth | it does that with this one? the previous one? |
| 02:51:06 | kergoth | both? |
| 02:51:08 | VerxHome | both |
| 02:51:13 | VerxHome | on every single resume |
| 02:51:20 | kergoth | thats annoying |
| 02:51:25 | VerxHome | the version that blocks until I eject the CF was almost better |
| 02:51:32 | kergoth | that one doesnt do this? |
| 02:51:33 | VerxHome | cuz I could just eject the CF and it would be responsive |
| 02:51:34 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:51:44 | VerxHome | Nope, didn't seem to |
| 02:51:52 | kergoth | well the version in the main feed is hte block until eject one |
| 02:51:58 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:51:58 | VerxHome | good |
| 02:52:01 | VerxHome | I wanna try something with it |
| 02:52:04 | VerxHome | I have a suspicion |
| 02:52:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ./configure: directory/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 02:52:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ./configure: `/home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/opie'/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 02:53:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sounds like you dont have tmake in your path |
| 02:53:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 02:53:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: or something along those lines |
| 02:53:16 | TheMasterMind1 | gracias |
| 02:53:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: opie needs tmake, add that to the build |
| 02:53:29 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 53 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: numatrix: well - i've talked about more icons with benmeyer but it ended in the conclusion that more icons don't give more information ... what do others think? [Thu Sep 5 20:59:30 2002] |
| 02:53:29 | numatrix_home | ibot: seen killefiz |
| 02:53:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but note, we only need to *download* it, the binary is already there |
| 02:53:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we dont need to build tmake, just obtain and extract |
| 02:53:50 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:53:51 | TheMasterMind1 | its there |
| 02:54:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i have /opt/Qtopia/sharp/bin/tmake |
| 02:54:03 | kergoth | hrm |
| 02:54:07 | TheMasterMind1 | in the path |
| 02:54:11 | TheMasterMind1 | it works fine when i do it |
| 02:54:16 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:54:18 | TheMasterMind1 | but when the .mk file does it it spits out those errors |
| 02:54:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ./configure: make[2]:/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 02:54:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ./configure: Entering/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 02:54:27 | TheMasterMind1 | those also |
| 02:54:29 | kergoth | in BinaryCmds, set the path |
| 02:54:40 | kergoth | to add build/tmake-1.5/bin/ |
| 02:54:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:54:45 | kergoth | once you add tmake to the buildroot |
| 02:55:00 | kergoth | thatll be the best way to handle it |
| 02:55:07 | TheMasterMind1 | i have to add tmake to the buildroot? |
| 02:55:11 | darienm | Why oh why does my Zaurus sometimes turn my SD card into a read-only file system ?!?!? (reboot fixes it) |
| 02:55:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i did echo `which tmake` from inside the .mk and it showd me my tmake |
| 02:55:26 | TheMasterMind1 | in /opt/Qtopia/sharp/bin/tmake |
| 02:56:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the point is, we shouldnt *require* the user to have either tmake or qt or qtopia before starting the build |
| 02:56:12 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh ok |
| 02:56:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll do that |
| 02:56:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: me for example, i dont use the sdk |
| 02:56:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to know why its giving me errors first |
| 02:56:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so i just have a compiler toolchain in /usr/local/arm, no tmake in my path |
| 02:56:31 | kergoth | yeah, good idea |
| 02:56:57 | numatrix_home | darienm: good question; sometimes mine completely hoses up as well, but I can't even read it. I don't have to reboot, I can just unmount, eject and reinsert it, but it's kinda annoying. Only happens to me once in a while after a suspend/resume. |
| 02:57:14 | numatrix_home | darienm: have you tried unmounting it? Or is a reboot really necessary? |
| 03:00:26 | darienm | treke: I have a report |
| 03:00:53 | treke|home | darienm: how is it speed wise? I know it looks like crap :) |
| 03:00:55 | darienm | treke|home: The speed is MUCH faster, but the scaling is crappy now. |
| 03:01:06 | TheMasterMind1 | TheMasterMind1 seems like the output of the compiler is going into the configure for some reason... "make[2]: Entering directory `/home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/opie` is like going into it and it treats each as a dir and tries to create a */Makefile |
| 03:01:18 | treke|home | darienm: thats about right :) |
| 03:01:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ./configure: make[2]:/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 03:01:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ./configure: Entering/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 03:01:28 | TheMasterMind1 | ./configure: directory/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 03:01:31 | TheMasterMind1 | ./configure: `/home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/opie'/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 03:01:37 | darienm | treke|home: Drag operations are almost viewable in real-time across the network |
| 03:01:38 | TheMasterMind1 | does each one 4 times then goes on to the next |
| 03:01:39 | treke|home | it should be about as fast as unscaled, at a loss of quality |
| 03:02:08 | treke|home | that version just skipped pixels, but it didnt seem readable to me :) |
| 03:04:02 | darienm | treke|home: Where's the LAUNCH icon ?? |
| 03:04:03 | treke|home | darienm: I dont know if you use it yet, but download tightvnc |
| 03:04:09 | darienm | what's that? |
| 03:04:16 | treke|home | darienm: I havent put that in yet |
| 03:04:43 | treke|home | darienm: Its a fork of vnc that has some new encoding options. One of the usefull features is it doesnt draw the cursor |
| 03:05:10 | treke|home | darienm: So moving your mouse doesnt continously generate updates |
| 03:05:37 | treke|home | and on windows it hides your backround image so it can use copyrect more |
| 03:05:53 | darienm | downloading..... |
| 03:06:15 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
| 03:06:19 | treke|home | when you have a completly compatible client Its quite fast |
| 03:06:19 | TheMasterMind1 | thats so stupid |
| 03:06:24 | darienm | ARGH !!! No mac version !!!! |
| 03:06:36 | KallDrexx | arg so annoying |
| 03:07:02 | treke|home | darienm: darn. |
| 03:09:42 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 03:09:45 | VerxHome | you ready for this? |
| 03:09:47 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 03:09:52 | VerxHome | this is the most hilarious yet |
| 03:10:20 | noda | just tried keypebble... wow, it's great! :) |
| 03:11:16 | kergoth | VerxHome: okay lets hear it.. :-) |
| 03:11:21 | VerxHome | kergoth: Ok |
| 03:11:27 | VerxHome | when I press and hold the cancel button |
| 03:11:30 | VerxHome | to try to power it off |
| 03:11:33 | VerxHome | it beeps at me |
| 03:11:34 | VerxHome | and does nothing |
| 03:11:35 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:12:05 | kergoth | VerxHome: hah |
| 03:12:09 | kergoth | VerxHome: which libopie? |
| 03:12:18 | VerxHome | this is the libopie from the stable feed |
| 03:12:20 | treke|home | oh well. I'm gonna crash. Will start on rre encoding tomorrow night |
| 03:12:21 | kergoth | VerxHome: gotcha |
| 03:12:29 | VerxHome | I am guessing the problem is all the OTHER stuff from the test feed |
| 03:12:35 | kergoth | VerxHome: sandman moved the power button handler to a function in ODevice in the libopie |
| 03:12:38 | kergoth | VerxHome: exactly |
| 03:12:57 | VerxHome | see, I may not be able to code this stuff quite yet |
| 03:13:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: the opie-taskbar from the test feed expects the power button handler to be a function in ODevice in libopie |
| 03:13:02 | VerxHome | but I can troubleshoot pretty decent |
| 03:13:02 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:13:07 | kergoth | yeah, definately |
| 03:13:22 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:13:24 | VerxHome | well |
| 03:13:30 | VerxHome | my options are to downgrade the packages |
| 03:13:31 | VerxHome | or |
| 03:13:37 | VerxHome | just revert to my previous image |
| 03:13:42 | VerxHome | which is what I think I will do |
| 03:13:59 | VerxHome | good thing I back up early and often |
| 03:13:59 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:14:36 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:14:41 | ljp_ | every couple of minutes.. ? |
| 03:15:16 | kergoth | heeh |
| 03:15:34 | kergoth | ./updateipks -oz-test -force libopie/libopie.control; is just nifty |
| 03:15:37 | VerxHome | ljp_: Every time I resume. And I am certain it has nothing to do with my resume troubles |
| 03:15:38 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 03:15:38 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:15:49 | VerxHome | kergoth: Indeed man |
| 03:16:56 | treke|home | I gotta give the vnc guys credit, the wrote a nice protocol that requires virtually no resources on the client |
| 03:19:09 | numatrix_home | heads back to bed... |
| 03:22:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: we'll have a 2.4.7-rmk3-np1 + embedix + jffs2-2.4.19 for testing soon |
| 03:22:49 | VerxHome | kergoth: Ok. that should be very interesting |
| 03:22:50 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:23:20 | kergoth | course now your jffs2 problems arent occuring frequently, so we wont know right away if it fixes things.. |
| 03:23:26 | kergoth | but we'll definately know right away if it breaks things |
| 03:23:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:23:46 | VerxHome | kergoth: I saved some images from when I was having trouble |
| 03:23:56 | VerxHome | so I can find out reasonably quickly if it fixes them |
| 03:24:07 | kergoth | oh cool |
| 03:24:16 | VerxHome | I wanted to be able to test such things |
| 03:24:16 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:25:00 | kergoth | way to think ahead |
| 03:25:14 | kergoth | I'm barely managing to think in the present, much less ahead |
| 03:25:15 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 03:27:19 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:28:10 | deathmint|pc | anyone using 2.9.4 zImage-64 with wireless cf? |
| 03:28:25 | deathmint|pc | I can't get networking to work with that zImage |
| 03:29:07 | deathmint|pc | looks like if is up and xmit increments but I recieve nothing |
| 03:31:12 | burtonator | is... |
| 03:31:18 | burtonator | works fine here... what card? |
| 03:32:59 | deathmint|pc | netgear |
| 03:33:21 | deathmint|pc | it works fine with the 40-24 and 48-16 |
| 03:33:39 | deathmint|pc | I don't get it |
| 03:33:53 | deathmint|pc | tried manually configuring too... same thing |
| 03:34:23 | kergoth | works fine with 40-24 and 48-16 but not with 64? |
| 03:34:29 | deathmint|pc | right |
| 03:34:36 | kergoth | that makes no sense whatsoever |
| 03:34:40 | kergoth | weird |
| 03:34:43 | deathmint|pc | that's what I thought |
| 03:34:50 | kergoth | the only difference is whether theres a ramdisk |
| 03:34:58 | kergoth | and the amount of ram allocated to the kenrel |
| 03:35:25 | deathmint|pc | I only tried flashing it twice though |
| 03:38:11 | deathmint|pc | have to see if I can figure out what's going on there |
| 03:39:00 | scribe_cheezebur | Anyone have trouble with the Z detecting MMC memory? I have to insert mine like 5 times before it finally detects that something was inserted. Didn't have the trouble with sdmem. Maybe it's my particular mmc card |
| 03:42:33 | burtonator | kergoth: ipkg update on your test broke... |
| 03:42:38 | burtonator | but it might be an ipkg bug... |
| 03:42:49 | burtonator | the postinst scripts didn't get run... |
| 03:43:01 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:43:07 | kergoth | ipkg update doesnt run any scripts |
| 03:43:15 | kergoth | unless you're referring to ipkg *upgrade* |
| 03:43:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:43:53 | burtonator | er... upgrade... duh. |
| 03:43:56 | burtonator | Configuring opie-batteryapplet.../opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop: error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:43:56 | burtonator | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-batteryapplet.postinst configure' failed: Illegal seek. |
| 03:43:56 | burtonator | ERROR: opie-batteryapplet.postinst returned 127 |
| 03:44:03 | burtonator | I got a few of thoSe. |
| 03:44:14 | burtonator | and the reason opie wont' start is cause it can't find libqpe.so.1 |
| 03:44:25 | noda | burtonator: Have you tried rebooting? |
| 03:45:34 | darienm | kergoth: question for you. In order to prevent an applet from showing in the toolbar, is it required to move the 'lib..' files out of the applet directory, or just hide them -- for instance renaming to start with a '.' ?? |
| 03:45:44 | burtonator | noda: yeah |
| 03:45:56 | kergoth | darienm: either one will do |
| 03:46:23 | kergoth | burtonator: oops, forgot about that. edit /etc/init.d/opie .. move . /etc/profile up to right after export LOGNAME, but before the rest of the exports |
| 03:46:32 | darienm | kergoth: thought so. I'm thinking of making a 'hide applet' program similar to 'hide cf' to enable/disable applets. Does that require a reboot or just relaunch qpe/opie? |
| 03:47:56 | pK-MrMeanor | is away: smoke break |
| 03:49:32 | burtonator | oh yeah... that make sense.. |
| 03:49:38 | burtonator | gooD point |
| 03:50:32 | burtonator | ug... I still have that stupid input lag! |
| 03:50:32 | darienm | kergoth: heh. just restart qpe/opie does the trick. You know, removing the CLOCK applet frees up space for about 3 more taskbar icons ! |
| 03:50:34 | burtonator | WTF! |
| 03:50:41 | VerxHome | http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 03:50:44 | VerxHome | that looks killer |
| 03:50:56 | burtonator | I have to click 2-4 times on something before it registers... |
| 03:51:14 | VerxHome | burtinator: Look at sysinfo |
| 03:51:18 | VerxHome | see what your application load is |
| 03:51:22 | VerxHome | I am guessing it is 100% |
| 03:52:55 | burtonator | that might be it... |
| 03:53:00 | burtonator | chcks... |
| 03:55:52 | burtonator | only kapm-idled... |
| 04:01:20 | pK-MrMeanor | is back (gone 00:13:24) |
| 04:07:05 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 04:07:06 | VerxHome | new info |
| 04:07:35 | kergoth | whats up |
| 04:07:59 | VerxHome | ok |
| 04:08:03 | VerxHome | sorry for not finding this earlier |
| 04:08:09 | VerxHome | but I had so many variables |
| 04:08:26 | VerxHome | this is 100% back to the issue of the 256MB CF card I think |
| 04:08:34 | VerxHome | I put my 128MB CF card back in |
| 04:08:45 | VerxHome | on the stable OZ feed current ipkgs |
| 04:08:50 | VerxHome | and I have ZERO issues |
| 04:09:09 | VerxHome | so I at least know where the trigger for the problem is now |
| 04:10:59 | VerxHome | raster! |
| 04:11:09 | VerxHome | raster: Do you have any screenshots of your Zaurus work? |
| 04:11:15 | VerxHome | I am quite anxious to see some of it |
| 04:11:15 | VerxHome | :) |
| 04:11:40 | raster | VerxHome: http://www.rasterman.com/pages/news.html |
| 04:11:45 | raster | not screenshots |
| 04:11:47 | VerxHome | thanks! :))))) |
| 04:11:52 | raster | more photographs of devices runing evas |
| 04:11:58 | VerxHome | fine by me |
| 04:11:59 | VerxHome | :) |
| 04:12:54 | VerxHome | wow raster |
| 04:12:56 | VerxHome | you get around |
| 04:13:00 | VerxHome | is quite jealous |
| 04:13:02 | VerxHome | how was japan? |
| 04:13:17 | burtonator | kergoth: I found the problem.. I had to renice qpe to -10 |
| 04:13:27 | burtonator | now I don't have a lag... |
| 04:14:03 | kergoth | odd |
| 04:15:12 | VerxHome | wow raster |
| 04:15:28 | VerxHome | raster: You have the exact same opinion I do on Linux vs. Windows in terms of their niche |
| 04:15:43 | VerxHome | raster: I am constantly flamed for my opinion tho |
| 04:15:44 | VerxHome | heh |
| 04:18:12 | VerxHome | kergoth: |
| 04:18:16 | VerxHome | # /etc/init.d/atd start |
| 04:18:16 | VerxHome | Starting at daemon: atdmkdir: Cannot create directory : No such file or directory |
| 04:18:17 | VerxHome | mkfifo: mkfifo: File exists |
| 04:18:18 | VerxHome | any idea what causes that? |
| 04:22:22 | burtonator | yeah... ok... -10 seems to be the minimum.. |
| 04:22:26 | burtonator | else it lags. |
| 04:24:13 | VerxHome | ok |
| 04:24:14 | VerxHome | well |
| 04:24:35 | VerxHome | anyone here know what a GOOD Zaurus list is to be on? |
| 04:25:16 | ljp_ | good? |
| 04:25:27 | VerxHome | well |
| 04:25:29 | VerxHome | nevermind |
| 04:25:36 | VerxHome | I will try these two yahoogroups I found |
| 04:25:39 | VerxHome | see what I find out |
| 04:27:55 | glenn | what about the sourceforge lists? |
| 04:28:09 | VerxHome | glenn: What is a URL for the archives? |
| 04:28:38 | glenn | let me look...hold on |
| 04:29:03 | VerxHome | ahh |
| 04:29:13 | VerxHome | looks like "http://zaurus.sourceforge.net" |
| 04:29:17 | VerxHome | that lists the mailing lists |
| 04:29:25 | VerxHome | unless you mean different ones |
| 04:30:16 | glenn | i think that's it |
| 04:30:21 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 04:30:22 | VerxHome | drat |
| 04:30:27 | VerxHome | doesn't appear to be searchable |
| 04:30:57 | glenn | oh...sorry |
| 04:31:41 | VerxHome | not your fault man |
| 04:31:42 | VerxHome | :) |
| 04:33:18 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 04:36:02 | glenn | bye |
| 04:39:05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:58:38 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:58:44 | Wembly | thatd explain why its so quite. |
| 05:16:14 | Wembly | hihi? |
| 05:16:27 | Wembly | why is everything dead tonight? |
| 05:23:02 | mutexer | cause in exactly 1 week its friday the 13th |
| 05:23:57 | darienm | How would you give a command to qpe/opie to restart? |
| 05:24:14 | darienm | Is that a qtopia call, or a system-level command? |
| 05:24:34 | darienm | I guess I could poke around tabmanager source (if it exists) |
| 05:24:42 | darienm | or shutdown |
| 05:24:51 | mutexer | the 5000d has restart buttons |
| 05:24:59 | darienm | I'm writing a program. |
| 05:26:26 | mutexer | I know..Im saying look at its code maybe? |
| 05:29:11 | rachy | does a brand new Zarus have a programm with which i can access linux (i.e. a terminal?) |
| 05:31:08 | darienm | the software comes on the CD or you can download it. |
| 05:33:12 | rachy | problem is i have only linux. so as long i cant access the Zaurus via the USB i cant upload software (and ineed a terminal to make the stteings) |
| 05:33:35 | mutexer | you can connect to linux over USB |
| 05:33:47 | darienm | If you 'reboot' the Zaurus, and see the 'wait' screen, press '/' and it will break into a console. |
| 05:34:12 | mutexer | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 05:34:42 | mutexer | you might have to flash it to the newest version to get it working...I had too |
| 05:34:43 | rachy | mutexer i was not able to do so. i patched my kernel. when i connect to the zaurs i get 1 singel ping ... and that's all. i think the routoing table in the zarus has to be set properly |
| 05:34:58 | mutexer | what rom version? |
| 05:35:20 | darienm | routing on the Z is only necessary if you want to get FROM the Z to your desktop. |
| 05:35:27 | rachy | 2.121 |
| 05:35:30 | rachy | err 2.12 |
| 05:35:38 | darienm | 2.12 is the original, oldest rom version |
| 05:35:41 | mutexer | with the orginal rom I couldnt get USB working..I upgraded to thre latest and it worked fine |
| 05:35:52 | rachy | what's the latest? |
| 05:35:56 | darienm | 2.38 |
| 05:35:59 | mutexer | I bought a CF and a CF reader to flash it |
| 05:36:16 | mutexer | you must have the 5500 |
| 05:36:34 | rachy | i have the 5500. |
| 05:36:35 | mutexer | the orginal rom on the 5000d was crap |
| 05:36:40 | rachy | but not CF and no CF readrer ;) |
| 05:36:44 | mutexer | I fdont have a 5500 |
| 05:39:01 | darienm | kergoth: ? |
| 05:39:23 | darienm | catalin: Hey !! Been a while ! |
| 05:41:09 | rachy | this may sound stupid now, bt how the hell do i reboot the Z? i dont find any option to do so |
| 05:41:40 | darienm | Settings -> Shutdown |
| 05:42:07 | rachy | thx |
| 05:42:23 | darienm | rachy: http://zaurus.kruss.com/ is full of all kinds of nuggets |
| 05:43:14 | rachy | thx |
| 05:43:32 | rachy | is this a developer channel only? |
| 05:43:39 | darienm | is an 'everything' channel |
| 05:45:15 | kendrick2 | re |
| 05:50:35 | DaWorm | re |
| 05:50:39 | DaWorm | sup? |
| 05:51:19 | kendrick2 | wanna figure out japanese :) |
| 05:52:09 | DaWorm | err..how? ezjapanese? |
| 05:52:10 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:52:21 | kendrick2 | well, _I_ don't want to learn japanese |
| 05:52:28 | kendrick2 | i want my app to support it using gettext() |
| 05:53:03 | DaWorm | i tried my 5500 to have japanese support before |
| 05:53:12 | DaWorm | it was a fun exercise |
| 05:53:19 | DaWorm | looking at a japanese-english dict |
| 06:05:39 | Yoso | is there a decent japanese-english dict? |
| 06:05:49 | Yoso | it'd be nice if someone got something like xjdic working |
| 06:05:51 | kendrick2 | check killfiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 06:05:57 | | Onyx4: what? |
| 06:05:57 | Onyx4 | ibot search zbit for bedict |
| 06:06:04 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'bedict'. |
| 06:06:04 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for bedict |
| 06:06:19 | | BDicty_Dictionary_Reader_for_Zaurus 3.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=427 |
| 06:06:20 | | BDicty_English_Dictionry_Pro_for_Zaurus 3.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=434 |
| 06:06:21 | | Bridges >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=48 |
| 06:06:22 | | 3 of 14 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=dict |
| 06:06:22 | BZFlag | ibot: search zsi for dict |
| 06:06:26 | | zbedic 0.8.7 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=135 |
| 06:06:26 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for zbedic |
| 06:06:28 | Onyx4 | this one |
| 06:06:31 | Onyx4 | try it |
| 06:06:35 | darienm | Yay! BZFlag fixed it |
| 06:07:24 | BZFlag | darienm: ? I didn't change it yet. |
| 06:07:29 | darienm | huh? |
| 06:07:33 | darienm | maybe its just the comma's then |
| 06:07:45 | | zbedic 0.8.7 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=135 |
| 06:07:45 | darienm | ibot, search zsi for zbedic |
| 06:07:50 | darienm | WTF ? |
| 06:07:59 | Yoso | Yeah, that looks great, except it'd be nice to have kanji lookup :P |
| 06:08:03 | darienm | okay, then dont fix anything that's not broken. |
| 06:08:08 | BZFlag | commas and colons should work but an extra space might not. |
| 06:08:16 | | BDicty_Dictionary_Reader_for_Zaurus 3.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=427 |
| 06:08:18 | | BDicty_English_Dictionry_Pro_for_Zaurus 3.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=434 |
| 06:08:19 | | Bridges >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=48 |
| 06:08:20 | | 3 of 14 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=dict |
| 06:08:20 | BZFlag | ibot: search zsi for dict |
| 06:08:32 | darienm | Nope, I trapped those. Maybe extra space at start thoughl. |
| 06:08:40 | Yoso | It also appears to be Japanese-English, not vice versa |
| 06:08:41 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'zbedict'. |
| 06:08:41 | BZFlag | ibot: search zsi for zbedict |
| 06:08:42 | Yoso | :P |
| 06:08:48 | | zbedic 0.8.7 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=135 |
| 06:08:48 | BZFlag | ibot: search zsi for zbedic |
| 06:08:48 | Yoso | I may try to get xjdic working. |
| 06:08:55 | | darienm: what? |
| 06:08:55 | darienm | ibot, shoot me |
| 06:08:56 | BZFlag | hmm. |
| 06:09:09 | darienm | okay, maybe just SOME PEOPLE are having problems. |
| 06:09:14 | | ...but shoot me is <reply> BAM... |
| 06:09:14 | BZFlag | ibot shoot me is <reply> Bang! |
| 06:09:25 | BZFlag | hmm |
| 06:09:30 | darienm | yeah - that's broke also |
| 06:09:41 | darienm | I wanted to teach ibot to 'trip <target>' but I couldn't |
| 06:16:53 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 06:16:53 | darienm | ibot opie |
| 06:22:45 | | rumour has it opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 06:22:45 | BZFlag | ibot opie |
| 06:23:04 | BZFlag | sighs, ahh. much better. |
| 06:23:11 | Speedy2 | Hello Tim. |
| 06:23:30 | BZFlag | hey |
| 06:26:10 | Speedy2 | What's up? |
| 06:28:52 | kendrick2 | gnite all |
| 06:32:28 | BZFlag | me. though I should be sleeping. |
| 06:33:23 | Speedy2 | Then go? |
| 06:33:52 | darienm | why can't I find the source to the 'shutdown' app anywhere in OPIE CVS ?? |
| 06:37:27 | mutexer | shutdown --> kill -9 -1 |
| 06:37:29 | mutexer | :) |
| 06:38:40 | darienm | no, I really need to find it. |
| 06:41:34 | Onyx4 | maybe it's just part of the regular shutdown button in opie, but you enable the "shutdown" icon within a config file |
| 06:41:58 | Onyx4 | because I remember the screenshot with the shutdown button was the same screen as the regular shutdown/reboot menu, except it had that extra button there |
| 06:42:44 | Onyx4 | so shutdown would save up on battery? |
| 06:42:46 | darienm | I'm trying to force a restart of qpe/opie in an app I'm writing, don't know how to call it. |
| 06:43:32 | Onyx4 | oh that's different then |
| 06:44:16 | darienm | QCopEnvelope e( "QPE/System", "restart()" ); |
| 06:44:18 | darienm | FOUND IT ! |
| 06:45:24 | mutexer | I need to steady my render loop...what time functions exist on the zaurus? |
| 06:46:00 | mutexer | QTime the best thing to use? |
| 06:46:12 | darienm | hope you're not asking me... I have no clue |
| 06:46:21 | Onyx4 | me neither |
| 06:46:23 | mutexer | Im asking anyone who knows |
| 06:46:30 | darienm | everyone's asleep |
| 06:46:35 | darienm | or getting laid |
| 06:46:40 | darienm | or drunk |
| 06:47:18 | Wembly | mutexer: what are you doing btw? |
| 06:47:25 | mutexer | start() and elapsed()...maybe those will work |
| 06:47:47 | mutexer | I need to steady my render on my game so that it doesnt fluxuate |
| 06:47:55 | Wembly | what game? |
| 06:48:01 | mutexer | technically Im using it to steady the walking speed |
| 06:48:17 | mutexer | 2d rpg....you not seen the screenshots? |
| 06:48:23 | Wembly | nope |
| 06:48:38 | mutexer | http://www.discordstudios.com/temp/snapshots.png |
| 06:49:08 | Wembly | you plan on getting differnt graphics? |
| 06:49:17 | darienm | hahah -- that's what I keep asking |
| 06:49:26 | mutexer | no |
| 06:49:56 | mutexer | not bad for not having an artist |
| 06:50:00 | Wembly | mainly with respects to the landscape. |
| 06:50:05 | Wembly | true |
| 06:50:20 | Wembly | wants dragon warrior for the zaurus |
| 06:50:29 | mutexer | not to mention we only have 7 days left to finish |
| 06:51:01 | Onyx4 | what happens if you dont finish it |
| 06:51:04 | mutexer | unless sharp gives more time...I hope they do |
| 06:51:10 | mutexer | I dont know |
| 06:51:40 | mutexer | IM planning to be done in 7 days...a bit more time would be nice |
| 06:51:52 | Yoso | whatcha writing in? |
| 06:52:12 | mutexer | ? |
| 06:52:32 | mutexer | brb..got to take my dog out |
| 06:53:25 | darienm | Yoso: all apps for the challenge had to be written in Qt |
| 06:53:37 | Yoso | oh, the challenge |
| 06:53:41 | Yoso | missed that part :) |
| 06:56:53 | mutexer | yeah |
| 06:57:22 | mutexer | I made the mistake of orginally using a canvas...it turned out to either be too memory intensive or too slow |
| 06:57:48 | Yoso | speaking of games, I notice there's a libsdl now |
| 06:57:54 | Yoso | it'd be cool if pygame were ported over |
| 07:12:09 | mutexer | im out night |
| 07:13:02 | Bala | cusses under his breath |
| 07:15:21 | parti-cule | Bonjour! |
| 07:29:25 | rachy | is there a way that i can "save" some interne web pages on the zauarus and read it later offline? |
| 07:32:11 | darienm | rachy: yes |
| 07:32:20 | | WWWOFFLE_-_WWW_Offline_Explorer 2.5c-10 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=301 |
| 07:32:20 | darienm | ibot search zsi for wwwoffle |
| 07:32:25 | Yoso | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=301 |
| 07:32:29 | Yoso | er, yeah, what he said |
| 07:32:30 | Yoso | :) |
| 07:33:03 | darienm | rachy: wwwoffle does not (at this time) have a user interface, you have to start/stop it from the command line. |
| 07:33:26 | darienm | rachy: but the documentation is though and it works well |
| 07:33:48 | rachy | thx |
| 07:34:14 | rachy | nice bot :) |
| 07:35:06 | tweek | is there any easy way to make icons after installing to an SD card (which, obviously, doesn't make the icons - or symlinks, for that matter)? |
| 07:35:29 | darienm | the icons SHOULD show up normally. |
| 07:35:38 | darienm | if the package was created properly |
| 07:35:56 | tweek | darienm: using the package manager they do sometimes, but the package manager dies on installing about half the pakacges |
| 07:36:06 | tweek | so i use 'ipkg -dest sd ...' to install stuff |
| 07:36:07 | darienm | eek, which one are you using? |
| 07:36:18 | tweek | which what? |
| 07:36:48 | darienm | which package manager? |
| 07:37:05 | darienm | This info might help you: http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php#8 |
| 07:37:14 | tweek | ummm...the "add/remove packages" that comes with sharp rom |
| 07:37:47 | darienm | what kind of programs do you install to SD that "don't work" afterward? I've installed dozens, maybe a hundred or two |
| 07:38:11 | tweek | darienm: lots dont work, seriously |
| 07:38:35 | darienm | shame on lazy programmers who don't make good .ipks |
| 07:38:40 | tweek | darienm: probably about half the packages from www.zauruszone.com/feed/ that i install with the pakacge maneger fail to install ("ipkg says something went wrong. sorry") |
| 07:38:45 | tweek | darienm: seriously |
| 07:39:37 | darienm | you could always install to ram, then move the big files to SD and replace with symlinks. |
| 07:39:51 | tweek | darienm: so it's the ipk's fault, not somehting wrong with my Z? |
| 07:40:00 | tweek | darienm: yeah, i might, but that would take FOREVER |
| 07:40:02 | darienm | that would be my first guess |
| 07:40:18 | tweek | mine too, it's just nice to have a backup :) |
| 07:40:18 | darienm | most programs only have one binary, and perhaps a directory of images or supporting files. |
| 07:40:36 | tweek | yeah, i've noticed |
| 07:40:38 | tweek | that's a nice "feature" :) |
| 07:41:08 | darienm | If you install tab manager, you can create icons for programs located on SD |
| 07:41:14 | darienm | Tried that yet? |
| 07:41:27 | tweek | tab manager? yeah, i'm using it as we speak :) |
| 07:41:36 | darienm | should be all you need. |
| 07:41:59 | tweek | yeah, i just wanted soemthing easier - i'm lazy :) |
| 07:42:06 | darienm | heh |
| 07:42:08 | tweek | btw, did you leave your SD card in msdos format? |
| 07:42:12 | darienm | yes |
| 07:42:15 | darienm | never changed it |
| 07:42:57 | darienm | although, with the latest ROM it should be safe now to go to ext2 |
| 07:43:06 | darienm | there were issues before |
| 07:43:27 | darienm | sleep |
| 07:43:33 | tweek | yeah, i had some major issues today |
| 07:43:36 | tweek | thanks for the help :) |
| 07:51:47 | ntropy | ss |
| 07:52:18 | ntropyz | hm well seems like tkcjabber works |
| 07:54:19 | Yoso | people will pay $19.95 for a jabber client? |
| 07:54:26 | Yoso | sheesh |
| 07:55:38 | DaWorm | thats how monopoly works |
| 07:55:39 | DaWorm | lol |
| 07:55:43 | rachy | damn i feel like a newbie. and i thought i know somethig about linux ;) |
| 07:56:57 | Yoso | DaWorm: Yeah, it's kinda sad. I could see paying for the video player or whatever, that's worth it. But Jabber? |
| 07:57:42 | rachy | i heared something that someone is trying to make a mplayer package for zaurus |
| 07:58:20 | Yoso | Yeah I tried that, but it was a little "funky" the way it worked over the framebuffer |
| 07:58:22 | DaWorm | that's good |
| 07:58:45 | Yoso | It'd be nice if there were a way to force qtopia to refresh the screen |
| 07:58:55 | Yoso | Since mplayer mangles it all to hell |
| 07:59:46 | rachy | any suggestions for a english/german dic? |
| 08:00:16 | Yoso | there is one on killefiz |
| 08:02:22 | DaWorm | hrrmm |
| 08:02:31 | DaWorm | zbedic then load the dict file if there is one available |
| 08:07:16 | rachy | hmm. when i install a package in the ram do i have to restart something to see the icon? |
| 08:13:35 | DaWorm | shouldnt be like that |
| 08:13:40 | DaWorm | since qtopia restarts by itself |
| 08:13:56 | DaWorm | but some packages require a comple reboot of the system to be shown on the taskbar |
| 08:13:59 | DaWorm | but that's rare |
| 08:16:29 | Yoso | Anyone here seen this page? I just found it. |
| 08:16:31 | Yoso | http://zaurus.biojapan.de/sla300en.htm |
| 08:16:46 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 08:16:47 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:16:50 | DaWorm | we helped doing that |
| 08:16:54 | DaWorm | i'm jerome gotangco on that page |
| 08:16:55 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:17:10 | Yoso | hah, excellent |
| 08:17:24 | DaWorm | Dave had fun doing that |
| 08:17:31 | DaWorm | and i did the reverse on the 5500 |
| 08:17:43 | Yoso | This is perfect for me. I was quite annoyed that when I changed the language settings via the terminal, HancomMobileWord barfed |
| 08:18:20 | DaWorm | yeah since you have an a300 yourself, i suggest subscribing to the zok list |
| 08:18:48 | DaWorm | i was surprised the arm packages did work on the xcale device |
| 08:19:00 | DaWorm | because from the start i told him it might not work but its how i did in reverse |
| 08:19:14 | DaWorm | only problem is that i don't have that much fonts either so I just use the small ones |
| 08:19:25 | DaWorm | besides japanese fonts slow down the system |
| 08:20:30 | DaWorm | well i'm going home |
| 08:20:32 | Yoso | You have to reset?* |
| 08:20:36 | DaWorm | i still have to fetch my wife |
| 08:20:38 | Yoso | It doesn't work with just a reboot? |
| 08:20:41 | DaWorm | see you later |
| 08:21:00 | Yoso | hyrm |
| 08:21:02 | DaWorm | yeah language settings need a reset of qtopia |
| 08:21:10 | Yoso | ouchie |
| 08:21:19 | DaWorm | only qtopia though, not the whole system |
| 08:21:40 | Yoso | I'm not following you. You mean the hard reset button on the back? |
| 08:21:43 | Yoso | That's what it says on this page. |
| 08:21:47 | WormAFK | hrrmm |
| 08:21:50 | WormAFK | hard reset? |
| 08:21:52 | WormAFK | scary |
| 08:21:58 | Yoso | Yeah that's what it says :P |
| 08:22:05 | Yoso | Well, I'll try a reboot first :) |
| 08:22:08 | WormAFK | well i only have a 5500 |
| 08:22:14 | WormAFK | i only go for reboots |
| 08:22:19 | WormAFK | ask Dave |
| 08:22:19 | WormAFK | hehe |
| 08:22:59 | Yoso | ok, catch ya later |
| 08:48:48 | imm | hi |
| 08:52:38 | | Zaurus was last seen on #zaurus 16 days, 9 hours, 30 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: thanks [Wed Aug 21 00:22:36 2002] |
| 08:52:38 | imm | ibot seen Zaurus |
| 08:53:05 | | I haven't seen 'my', imm |
| 08:53:05 | imm | ibot seen my Zaurus |
| 08:53:18 | | your was last seen on #tuxboxproject 200 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: \nick root [Sun Feb 17 20:32:20 2002] |
| 08:53:18 | imm | ibot seen your Zaurus |
| 08:57:06 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 08:57:13 | Harlekin | killefiz: biste wach? -) |
| 10:13:24 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 10:15:51 | | it has been said that op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 10:15:51 | KallDrexx | ibot op2 |
| 10:16:34 | KallDrexx | uh if I'm using the OZ ROM would I get classic, retail, or arm version of op2? |
| 10:32:53 | KallDrexx | is my cf mounted at /var/mnt/cf or /mnt/cf? |
| 10:45:48 | kalldrexx_ | usbdnet is really starting to get on my nerves |
| 10:46:49 | | op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 10:46:49 | KallDrexx | ibot op2 |
| 10:55:06 | uncon | is back, rejoice (g!19h 57m 48s) : os/bx |
| 11:06:48 | KallDrexx | does OZ use the storage space for RAM too? |
| 11:11:48 | cwilkins | Furby? :b |
| 11:12:34 | cwilkins | . o O (Anyone ported Linux to a Furby yet?) |
| 11:13:29 | tux_mike | i don't think i'd be able to take the dmsg in that annoying voice |
| 11:14:24 | cwilkins | heh |
| 11:19:03 | cwilkins | "I know it made a cool web server, but it was pissing me off..." |
| 11:25:37 | tux_mike | i wonder what kind of uC is in that |
| 11:26:38 | KallDrexx | ok need some major help here |
| 11:26:45 | KallDrexx | i screwed up opie and so I'm tryign to reflash |
| 11:26:49 | KallDrexx | but every time i press full reset |
| 11:27:05 | KallDrexx | the ac powe rlight goes off, tand the green light never comes on when i hold down c and d |
| 11:29:53 | tux_mike | kall: that means you aren't hitting C and D properly, or hitting another key |
| 11:34:59 | KallDrexx | i i press another key besides c,d does it not work? |
| 11:35:18 | KallDrexx | hey Cloudchaser |
| 11:35:43 | tux_mike | kall: if you hit any other keyboard buttons it will not flash |
| 11:35:55 | tux_mike | or if one of the two is not fully depressed |
| 11:36:01 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 11:36:14 | KallDrexx | is it usuall for the AC LED to go off when you press full reset? |
| 11:36:21 | tux_mike | yes |
| 11:36:26 | tux_mike | that will normally happen |
| 11:36:30 | KallDrexx | oh neve rnoticed that before |
| 11:36:35 | Cloudchaser | hey there was an announcement on zaurus general about a unison ipk |
| 11:36:47 | Cloudchaser | i don't suppose anyone here has gotten unison working? |
| 11:37:07 | | deathmint|pc: excuse me? |
| 11:37:07 | deathmint|pc | ibot: unison |
| 11:37:10 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin ljp |
| 11:37:21 | Cloudchaser | its a file synch program |
| 11:37:34 | deathmint|pc | ahh |
| 11:37:41 | KallDrexx | ok ive been pressing just c and d and hte green isnt' going on, i've nvever had this much trouble |
| 11:37:56 | tux_mike | good with a desktop and laptop? |
| 11:38:01 | apache444 | Hi guys, I'm looking for a 10mbps CF LAN card for my IPAQ which I'm running familiar/Opie on. Can anyone recommend one for me? |
| 11:38:03 | deathmint|pc | so it's a misnomer |
| 11:38:27 | Cloudchaser | what do you mean its a misnomer? |
| 11:38:46 | ljp | hi cloudy |
| 11:38:48 | tux_mike | kall: if it even attempts to find a rom and you are doing the keys correctly the green light will go on. if the rom isn't correct, or the filesystem isn't kosher, it will immediatley go out |
| 11:38:51 | KallDrexx | oh well i only have to do rull reset anyway turns out |
| 11:38:52 | deathmint|pc | when you sync they're separate but equal, unison implies they work together |
| 11:39:06 | KallDrexx | tux_mike: *shrugs* |
| 11:39:09 | KallDrexx | crap |
| 11:39:10 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 11:39:25 | KallDrexx | for oz all i need on my cf root is zImage and initrd.bin right? |
| 11:39:38 | tux_mike | yes |
| 11:39:42 | KallDrexx | arg |
| 11:39:44 | tux_mike | and a bootflag.txt |
| 11:39:46 | Cloudchaser | well..i'm wanting to get it working but the docs assume way more knowledge than i have |
| 11:39:53 | tux_mike | but it will still try without any of those |
| 11:40:18 | KallDrexx | ...not going on |
| 11:41:21 | tux_mike | what else can i say |
| 11:42:15 | Cloudchaser | why are you reflashing? didn't you install oz already yesterday? |
| 11:42:19 | KallDrexx | yeah but it screwed up |
| 11:42:27 | Cloudchaser | ah.. how? |
| 11:42:55 | KallDrexx | dunno, after i upgraded ipkg froze, coudln't load any apps, tried to reboot and now it sasy unkown processor type --! and gives me console prompt |
| 11:43:19 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 11:43:26 | Cloudchaser | that's kinda why i went back to sharp rom |
| 11:43:26 | KallDrexx | yeah... |
| 11:43:33 | Cloudchaser | 2 times updates hosed me |
| 11:43:50 | Cloudchaser | got tired of startihng all over again repeatedly |
| 11:44:04 | Cloudchaser | too time consuming |
| 11:44:22 | KallDrexx | yeah |
| 11:44:22 | Cloudchaser | spent more time trying to get the z to work than i did using the z |
| 11:44:48 | cwilkins | I'm spending all my time trying to get it to compile things. :/ |
| 11:45:14 | cwilkins | anyone else hit the "undefined reference to `lstat'" problem? |
| 11:46:21 | KallDrexx | i press c and d to flash right? |
| 11:46:34 | tux_mike | yes |
| 11:46:35 | ljp | doesn't do the upgrade openzaurus thing.. just flashes |
| 11:46:44 | KallDrexx | arg romimage inst' flashing either |
| 11:46:46 | Cloudchaser | c + d + reset |
| 11:47:04 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 11:47:17 | Cloudchaser | make sure z is plugged in too |
| 11:47:19 | tux_mike | try reformatting the cf card with mkdosfs |
| 11:47:30 | ljp | and that the cf is formatted with msdos |
| 11:47:40 | KallDrexx | how do I reformat it in linux? |
| 11:47:42 | Cloudchaser | you're not trying to do it with your ext2 sd card are you? |
| 11:47:57 | KallDrexx | no my CF is still the original fs |
| 11:47:59 | tux_mike | mkdosfs |
| 11:48:00 | ljp | heh.. that seems to be the usual problem.. vfat instead of msdos |
| 11:48:02 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 11:48:31 | tux_mike | vfat is msdos |
| 11:48:34 | KallDrexx | hmm i don't have mkdosfs on my pc |
| 11:48:40 | tux_mike | it works fine |
| 11:49:27 | ljp | no it doesnt |
| 11:49:32 | KallDrexx | ok i gotta go, thanks |
| 11:49:35 | ljp | fat 16 is not fat 32 |
| 11:49:50 | tux_mike | vfat is either fat 16 or fat 32. that's different |
| 11:50:00 | ljp | the flash loader only recognizes fat16 |
| 11:50:08 | tux_mike | vfat is the extension of a fat filesystem to provide long filenames |
| 11:50:15 | ljp | ya fat32 |
| 11:50:36 | tux_mike | no, vfat is an extension to fat16, fat12, or fat32 |
| 11:50:58 | ljp | Wfat32 already know lfn |
| 11:51:11 | tux_mike | no, that's vfat |
| 11:51:16 | tux_mike | upon fat32 |
| 11:51:25 | tux_mike | fat32 doesn't natively know LFN |
| 11:52:03 | chayim | pwd |
| 11:52:03 | deathmint|pc | fat32 et al. are partition types, fat and vfat are file system types |
| 11:52:10 | tux_mike | vfat is basically a hidden name resolution table |
| 11:52:25 | tux_mike | death: no, fat32, fat16, and fat12 are filesystems |
| 11:52:42 | tux_mike | vfat is just an extension on the filesystem |
| 11:52:46 | deathmint|pc | no, they're partition types... that's why they have id numbers in fdisk |
| 11:53:36 | tux_mike | microsoft just uses different partition types for different filesystems because their coders are too friggin lazy to look at the filesystem for the type |
| 11:53:58 | ljp | well, I've seen it a number of times that a cf formatted with vfat fails, and they formet with mdos, and ot magically works |
| 11:54:10 | ljp | fails for flash |
| 11:54:50 | kolla | which port is the vnc started on per default? |
| 11:54:56 | tux_mike | ljp: well, it could be if the vfat format (however they are doing it) defaults to fat32. |
| 11:55:33 | ljp | true |
| 11:56:13 | tux_mike | has read the specs on the filesystems some time ago :) |
| 11:56:35 | numatrix | Hmm; this is wierd. If I run frotz from the command line I have to use ^H to backspace, the backspace button won't work; if I ssh into localhost and then run it, backspace works. Anybody know what's up with that? |
| 11:57:32 | cwilkins | stty erase <hit backspace><hit enter> |
| 11:57:56 | cwilkins | or swap backspace<-->delete in your term program |
| 11:58:30 | KallDrexx | aha |
| 11:58:37 | KallDrexx | i guess i wasn't pressing c/d enough |
| 11:58:38 | KallDrexx | =P |
| 11:58:43 | KallDrexx | crap wrong rom tho |
| 11:59:48 | cwilkins | bittersweet success... |
| 12:00:03 | numatrix | cwilkins: Any way I can include that stty line in a shell script so that it's part of the installation for the frotz ipk? |
| 12:00:04 | KallDrexx | heh i've never had so much trouble pressing c/d before |
| 12:00:10 | KallDrexx | tux_mike: thanks for your help |
| 12:00:15 | KallDrexx | sorry if i got on your nerves |
| 12:01:10 | cwilkins | numatrix: you could write a shell script wrapper for frotz maybe |
| 12:02:11 | chayim | numatrix : stty erase (control+v backspace) ; frotz. |
| 12:02:46 | tux_mike | kall: what did i say!!! :) |
| 12:02:52 | cwilkins | can anyone tell me how to make my "undefined reference to `lstat'" compile problem magically go away? |
| 12:04:07 | cwilkins | It appears that the *stat functions only come in static form (libc.a), but I ain't got no libc.a! |
| 12:04:12 | KallDrexx | tux_mike: :) |
| 12:04:32 | tux_mike | cwilkins: afaik, glibc should provide them |
| 12:04:32 | ljp | #include <sys/types.h> |
| 12:04:32 | ljp | #include <sys/stat.h> |
| 12:05:21 | KallDrexx | aww crap |
| 12:05:26 | KallDrexx | ok there we go |
| 12:05:47 | numatrix | hmm: stty: invalid integer argument |
| 12:06:29 | cwilkins | tux_mike: looks like the static stuff is in glibc-devel, and I can't find that anywhere compiled for the arm. |
| 12:06:52 | KallDrexx | why does oz keep switching a lot of packages from my CF/mtramd when i select it to install it there, to root? |
| 12:07:02 | Cloudchaser | its an ipkg bug |
| 12:07:12 | KallDrexx | any way around it? |
| 12:07:21 | tux_mike | cwilkins: do you have the embeddix rpms loaded? |
| 12:07:24 | cwilkins | ljp: the includes are in there. This is GNU findutils I'm trying to build. |
| 12:07:30 | numatrix | cwilkins, chayim; nevermind, I fixed that error, but it still isn't helping. I'll just dig in the frotz source. Thanks anyway. |
| 12:07:45 | Cloudchaser | yes there is but i can't think of it offhand |
| 12:07:48 | cwilkins | tux_mike: embedix rpms? 8-o |
| 12:07:52 | Cloudchaser | i have it written down on other pc |
| 12:08:03 | cwilkins | tux_mike: using zgcc |
| 12:08:09 | KallDrexx | ok gotta go |
| 12:08:30 | tux_mike | oh, i don't know how they setup zgcc, just cross compile it |
| 12:09:15 | cwilkins | tux_mike: the embidix rpms... is that a full dev environment or something? |
| 12:09:34 | tux_mike | yah, gcc, g++, libs, headers, etc |
| 12:09:47 | cwilkins | cross-compile, or on the Z? |
| 12:09:53 | tux_mike | cross-compile |
| 12:09:58 | cwilkins | Ah. |
| 12:10:12 | tux_mike | why would you want to waste all that space for a compiler on the Z |
| 12:10:21 | cwilkins | Crap. If I didn't have to get my butt into the office... :/ |
| 12:10:32 | cwilkins | I put it on the SD card. |
| 12:10:40 | tux_mike | still |
| 12:10:44 | cwilkins | and created a zillion symlinks |
| 12:10:59 | ljp | so his wife think he's just diddling on the z when actually, he's wrotting ocde ;) |
| 12:11:02 | cwilkins | It's only about 60mb, with perl and eveything. :b |
| 12:11:25 | cwilkins | :) |
| 12:11:30 | tux_mike | plus the Z is ungodly slow at compiling |
| 12:11:50 | ljp | thats why you also use distcc and a net card |
| 12:11:52 | cwilkins | especially on the SD card. that thing's driving me nuts. (Sandisk 128MB) |
| 12:12:27 | tux_mike | cwilkins: it's not really the sd card when it comes to compiling. it's mostly the speed of the cpu |
| 12:13:05 | cwilkins | I got the newer mmcsd module. It doesn't blow chunks at least (much), but it is slooooooow. |
| 12:13:28 | cwilkins | I don't remember 200MHz being *this* slow. |
| 12:13:45 | chayim | cwilkins : it's because you don't have an FPU on the arm. |
| 12:13:49 | djk | anybody play with lisamail or better yet know where to download it? |
| 12:13:53 | cwilkins | oh right. |
| 12:13:58 | chayim | djk : lisamail.org |
| 12:14:38 | ljp | opiemail2 |
| 12:15:00 | djk | lisamail.org domain not found |
| 12:15:02 | cwilkins | the worst was copying ~60mb of stuff from the CF card to the SD card with tar. I thought I was gonna grow old and die before it finished. |
| 12:15:13 | djk | opiemail2? |
| 12:16:40 | djk | ljp: is opiemail2 the same as lisamail or better? |
| 12:17:56 | ljp | same |
| 12:18:12 | ljp | aboout |
| 12:19:22 | cwilkins | djk: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=435 (Lisamail) |
| 12:19:31 | djk | and much better with IMAP than the default sharp one, right? |
| 12:19:53 | tux_mike | wow... i got 81 pages down to 13 :) |
| 12:20:10 | Cloudchaser | 81 pages of what? |
| 12:20:15 | djk | cwilkins: looked there but mostly German and I could not find a download link |
| 12:20:33 | tux_mike | the suse package list |
| 12:20:36 | tux_mike | hey speedy |
| 12:20:44 | Cloudchaser | djk: i looked too and didn't see a download link |
| 12:20:51 | tux_mike | speedy: i'm venturing into asm with a uC project :) |
| 12:21:13 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Which uC? |
| 12:21:15 | djk | If opiemail2 is the same I just pulled it and will try it out. |
| 12:21:15 | Speedy2 | Neotron / Warmi around? |
| 12:21:24 | tux_mike | 8051 series |
| 12:21:31 | Speedy2 | I'm sorry :( |
| 12:21:32 | tux_mike | nah, haven't heard word from them today |
| 12:21:38 | djk | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=opie-mail2&official=&format= |
| 12:21:41 | cwilkins | djk: drats. sorry... |
| 12:21:59 | tux_mike | speed: i'm only looking to flash some leds :) |
| 12:22:38 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 12:22:39 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 12:22:56 | Speedy2 | I'm working on a divide issue |
| 12:23:05 | tux_mike | it's for a mouse mod. i'm using some RGB LEDs :) |
| 12:23:34 | Speedy2 | RGB LEDs? |
| 12:23:45 | Speedy2 | All three in one package? What brand? |
| 12:23:48 | tux_mike | yah, leds with red green and blue elements |
| 12:24:10 | Speedy2 | Wow, what brand? |
| 12:24:47 | tux_mike | i'm not sure on the brand... http://www.netdisty.net/ds/dis1024/ is the link, the part i'm looking to get is 4 of DIS-1024-105A |
| 12:26:34 | Speedy2 | Pretty cool looking |
| 12:26:38 | cwilkins | dammit. I don't wanna cross-compile. I wanna build stuff ON my Z. I wanna SCULPT. I wanna CREATE! MOBILE! |
| 12:26:52 | cwilkins | sorry... |
| 12:26:54 | Speedy2 | cwilkins: Then you're on drugs. A compiler running on the Z would be butt-slow. |
| 12:27:03 | cwilkins | I can wait! |
| 12:27:25 | cwilkins | "slow" is still tons better than "not working" :) |
| 12:27:35 | ljp | install distcc and a nic |
| 12:27:43 | tux_mike | as your batteries die. |
| 12:27:45 | ljp | and have another dev box around |
| 12:28:28 | Speedy2 | cwilkins: Get a Netwinder |
| 12:28:31 | Speedy2 | (Corel/Rebel) |
| 12:28:34 | tux_mike | cwilkins: if you want to develop mobilly... get this... http://www.dynamism.com/libretto/index.shtml |
| 12:29:27 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: That LED looks pretty cool. With one resistor you could limit the current for all the LEDs, except your LEDs would dim. I guess that means three resistors per "LED" |
| 12:30:06 | cwilkins | tux_mike: *drool* |
| 12:30:41 | tux_mike | speedy: yah. i'm gonna use PWM to vary the color and intensity of it :) |
| 12:30:50 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Use the common annode module, you can then drive the LED directly from the uC pin w/o resistor |
| 12:31:16 | Speedy2 | Three simueltaneous PWMs. |
| 12:31:34 | Speedy2 | Most devices can sink more curren than they can source and many uCs can sink 20mA |
| 12:31:47 | Speedy2 | (which is about as bright as you'd want your LED, assuming 100% duty cycle) |
| 12:32:01 | cwilkins | I need to get going to work. later ppl! |
| 12:32:27 | tux_mike | hrm... i'll look into that |
| 12:34:27 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: The current to get them the same brightness is not equal, looks like you might have to sink/source more than 20mA. It will be interesting. |
| 12:35:10 | tux_mike | speedy: one thing i was gonna do, 2 LEDs would be in the front on 3 IO lines (one for each color) and the same for 2 on the back |
| 12:35:25 | ljp | wow you guys are hardcore |
| 12:35:51 | Speedy2 | ?? |
| 12:36:01 | ljp | heheheh :) |
| 12:36:08 | tux_mike | and the common anode model is $20 each. i wanted the cheaper $4.5 ones :) |
| 12:36:17 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 12:36:33 | Speedy2 | Well, you can use transistors or something, it just gets to be a bit complicated |
| 12:36:37 | Speedy2 | I'd use a FET |
| 12:36:46 | tux_mike | that's what i was thinking |
| 12:36:57 | ljp | I was going to stick a led on my mouse.. but it didnt like the wires up irs butt |
| 12:36:58 | Speedy2 | Make sure it can handle < 80mA |
| 12:37:11 | Speedy2 | Otherwise the gate capacitance becomes an issue |
| 12:37:18 | Speedy2 | Then it's really no fun |
| 12:37:32 | ljp | diode |
| 12:37:32 | Speedy2 | P-channel is what you'd want. |
| 12:37:51 | ljp | resistor |
| 12:38:28 | Speedy2 | What nonsense are you talking? |
| 12:38:31 | ljp | hehe |
| 12:38:36 | ljp | its early |
| 12:38:43 | ljp | just trying to join in |
| 12:38:46 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Although that's not entirely true, you could use a PWM with some diodes + caps and create a negative voltage and use an n-channel or something |
| 12:39:13 | tux_mike | speedy: yah, my dad is handeling most of the electronics, because i only know a little bit, and he's a EE |
| 12:39:39 | tux_mike | ljp: you try to do this or something? :) http://metku.net/cryo/ |
| 12:40:22 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Very cool. |
| 12:41:02 | ljp | I've seen that |
| 12:41:40 | ljp | kinda goofy with that toy in there |
| 12:41:55 | tux_mike | i like it :) i'm gonna do that to another mouse later :) |
| 12:42:19 | Speedy2 | ok, later |
| 12:42:48 | tux_mike | turn your mouse into a mini cryo chamber :) |
| 12:43:15 | tux_mike | ljp: have you seen the website that has the lego guys building the pc? :) |
| 12:43:51 | ljp | well.. i'd better get to that place I'm at everyday about this time that some people would call work, but i really dont do much there |
| 12:43:53 | ljp | heh nope |
| 12:44:07 | tux_mike | it's funny |
| 12:44:15 | ljp | rackmount out of lego would be neat |
| 12:44:55 | ljp | or lincoln logs |
| 12:45:09 | ljp | heh anyway.. bbl |
| 12:45:21 | imm | Nermal_Work: are you doing a matchamker too ? |
| 12:45:28 | ciaolinux | does anyone own a 516 CF card? |
| 12:46:11 | tux_mike | i've always wanted to build a computer out of legos :) |
| 12:46:44 | Nermal_Work | oops.. forgot it shows up in other channels ;) |
| 12:47:02 | imm | Nermal_Work: so you do ? |
| 12:49:22 | numatrix | anybody try mfighter yet? |
| 12:54:56 | Nermal_Work | not usually |
| 12:59:03 | Cloudchaser | hello benmeyer |
| 12:59:17 | benmeyer | hello |
| 13:00:24 | Cloudchaser | how are things with you? |
| 13:00:49 | numatrix | benmeyer: did you or killefiz approve all those apps I submitted last night? |
| 13:01:18 | benmeyer | does it matter? |
| 13:01:22 | benmeyer | killefiz did |
| 13:01:37 | numatrix | just curious; I was going to appologize for dumping all that on you. I was insomniac and decided to find some new apps to add. |
| 13:01:45 | benmeyer | Wonder who submited the DiveCalc |
| 13:02:00 | numatrix | I did. |
| 13:02:14 | benmeyer | Did you make it? |
| 13:02:17 | numatrix | I was approving all the old submissions to zaurusoft and I noticed divecalc. |
| 13:02:18 | numatrix | Nope |
| 13:02:21 | benmeyer | It probably got on the feed by acident |
| 13:02:28 | numatrix | Not supposed to be released? |
| 13:02:32 | benmeyer | not yet |
| 13:03:03 | numatrix | benmeyer: Whoops... Yeah, the zaurusoft guy has an automatic zz/feed importer. About the only thing I like about that archive. |
| 13:03:28 | numatrix | benmeyer: Compared to ZSI, that is. It does have a prettier interface as well, I guess. |
| 13:04:38 | Cloudchaser | did embedded konsole get an update? |
| 13:04:51 | benmeyer | http://sourceforge.net/projects/schlange/ |
| 13:05:32 | Cloudchaser | numatrix...did you submit embedded konsole? |
| 13:05:35 | benmeyer | wants another hour of sleep badly |
| 13:06:14 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: nope, that was one I didn't. That, nmap, zrally, and neocal were the onlyl ones I didn't submit or change. |
| 13:06:18 | chouimat|coffee | good morning |
| 13:06:25 | numatrix | sympathizes with ben |
| 13:06:27 | Cloudchaser | ah i was wondering if they had an update |
| 13:06:29 | numatrix | I could use another few hours myself. |
| 13:06:31 | Cloudchaser | its hard to tell |
| 13:06:48 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: yeah, I don't know what (if anything) was different, and I didn't see it in the change list so I couldn't tell 'ya. |
| 13:07:07 | Cloudchaser | hehe hard to keep up with changes really |
| 13:07:22 | numatrix | Ahh; Cloudchaser, I think it's this: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=77636 |
| 13:07:34 | numatrix | Excellent. That allows me to make a frotz icon now. |
| 13:07:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe i don't know what that is so i guess i don't need it |
| 13:08:32 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: you might; it allows programs to run themselves automatically in the terminal. So you can have a qtopia icon to a program that runs in the terminal. Pretty convienant. |
| 13:08:44 | Cloudchaser | ah i see |
| 13:09:04 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll tuck that away for future reference |
| 13:09:32 | Cloudchaser | i do want to make some icons for shell scripts |
| 13:09:38 | Cloudchaser | that would be what i need that for? |
| 13:09:49 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: yup; you'd make a shell script (something) like this: |
| 13:09:59 | numatrix | #!/bin/sh |
| 13:10:13 | numatrix | embedded-konsole& |
| 13:10:39 | numatrix | $QPEDIR/bin/qcop QPE/Application/embeddedkonsole 'setDocument(QString' 'run-my-shell-script' |
| 13:11:19 | VerxHome | man |
| 13:11:32 | VerxHome | I figure the Z is for sure less than 6 months from awesomeness |
| 13:11:32 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:12:01 | imm | chouimat|coffee: bonjour |
| 13:12:15 | numatrix | VerxHome: you don't think it's there now? |
| 13:12:35 | VerxHome | numatrix, no, not really |
| 13:12:39 | VerxHome | I mean, it is awesome, yes |
| 13:12:44 | VerxHome | but it isn't very polished as yet |
| 13:12:50 | VerxHome | but it is VERY close |
| 13:13:00 | VerxHome | and it seems to be closer quite literally every single day |
| 13:13:17 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: how long did you have to wait for your Z since you received the email from |
| 13:13:19 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: you need all that to run the shells script? so if my script name was "sambastart" i would have to have this: |
| 13:13:20 | ciaolinux | Sharp? |
| 13:13:22 | Cloudchaser | $QPEDIR/bin/qcop QPE/Application/embeddedkonsole 'setDocument(QString' 'sambastart' |
| 13:13:40 | VerxHome | ciaolinux: I believe it was less than a week |
| 13:13:45 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: yeah. Except you forgot a ) by QString. :-0 |
| 13:13:52 | VerxHome | might have been 3 business days or less. . . |
| 13:14:03 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: if you wanted, you could make another shell script to do it for you |
| 13:14:11 | numatrix | #setkonsole.sh |
| 13:14:15 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: what do they use? i.e. ups, fedex ? |
| 13:14:16 | numatrix | #!/bin/sh |
| 13:14:21 | VerxHome | fedex |
| 13:14:35 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: where from? |
| 13:14:40 | numatrix | $QPEDIR/bin/qcop QPE/Application/embeddedkonsole 'setDocument(QString)' "$1" |
| 13:14:43 | VerxHome | new jersey |
| 13:15:00 | imm | ciaolinux: i think they are out of Zs :( |
| 13:15:03 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: really? I live in NJ but I have been waiting for more than a week... |
| 13:15:07 | ciaolinux | imm: really? |
| 13:15:13 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: then you just run: "embeddedkonsol && setkonsole.sh sambastart" in your shell script. |
| 13:15:22 | ciaolinux | imm: when did you receive the email from them? |
| 13:15:51 | | ciaolinux: excuse me? |
| 13:15:51 | ciaolinux | ibot: seen |
| 13:15:56 | | Sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 20 hours, 45 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: brb [Wed Sep 4 17:30:47 2002] |
| 13:15:56 | ciaolinux | ibot: seen Sniper |
| 13:16:05 | imm | ciaolinux: or what else could be the reason that takes more then 10d to ship ~35 Zs ? |
| 13:16:15 | numatrix | imm: I think they're shipping a lot more than tat. |
| 13:16:47 | imm | ciaolinux: 28-8 |
| 13:16:55 | ciaolinux | imm: well i don't mind if they give me a 5500 |
| 13:17:17 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: thank you, i made a note of all that... |
| 13:17:26 | imm | ciaolinux: shure not, but i think it would be hard to finish till 12-09 |
| 13:17:26 | ciaolinux | imm: same here |
| 13:18:05 | ciaolinux | imm: i don't think that will be a priblem |
| 13:18:18 | imm | ciaolinux: i would love to get a 5500G for opie devel stuff |
| 13:18:27 | VerxHome | wow |
| 13:18:36 | VerxHome | has anyone looked at "Terapin Mine Handheld"? |
| 13:18:42 | VerxHome | this thing looks truly amazing |
| 13:18:44 | ciaolinux | imm: what is the diff? (except for the RAM |
| 13:18:46 | imm | VerxHome: url ? |
| 13:18:57 | imm | ciaolinux: a german keyboard |
| 13:19:05 | VerxHome | imm: There is likely somewhere btter, but this is what I am looking at right now |
| 13:19:05 | numatrix | VerxHome: yeah, it does look pretty nice. |
| 13:19:06 | VerxHome | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/57a3-2.shtml |
| 13:19:21 | benmeyer | http://www.msnbc.com/news/802167.asp |
| 13:19:22 | VerxHome | (it is the first web ad I have -*EVER*- -*EVER*- clicked on) |
| 13:20:02 | Cloudchaser | ooh can act as a master..so it should work with z? |
| 13:20:22 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: I would prefer a Z that can be used as a cellphone |
| 13:20:55 | benmeyer | what about 802.11? |
| 13:21:02 | benmeyer | would that be more preferable? |
| 13:21:26 | VerxHome | ciaolinux: I am not trying to say it is everything |
| 13:21:30 | imm | benmeyer: yes, did you read the TI wlan chip story ? |
| 13:21:34 | VerxHome | I just hadn't seen a device like it |
| 13:21:35 | VerxHome | that's all |
| 13:21:37 | VerxHome | very cool |
| 13:21:45 | tux_mike | it's usb 1.1. |
| 13:21:47 | tux_mike | poopies |
| 13:22:35 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: well it would be nice to use a Z as a cellphone... just using the mic. But it seems that it is not possible yet. |
| 13:22:58 | benmeyer | imm: what was that? |
| 13:23:18 | VerxHome | ciaolinux: I feel that is right around the bend |
| 13:23:28 | darienm | benmeyer: tell me if you think this is worth pursuing http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/am-ui.php |
| 13:23:30 | VerxHome | my personal opinion is that pcmcia cell phones are right around the corner |
| 13:23:43 | VerxHome | pcmcia cell phones are going (in my opinion) to be the next "big" revolution |
| 13:24:16 | imm | benmeyer:they did a wlan chip which use less energy ( 2mw standby ) and cost 10$ |
| 13:24:17 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: what do you mean by pcmcia cell phone? do you need to attach a cell phone or just something like an antenna? |
| 13:24:41 | VerxHome | ciaolinux: I mean NOTHING other than the PCMCIA card would be needed. |
| 13:24:46 | VerxHome | you plug the pcmcia cell phone in |
| 13:24:54 | chouimat|coffee | imm: any news about the z |
| 13:24:58 | VerxHome | provide speaker and microphone through the connected PC/device |
| 13:25:06 | VerxHome | and blam, you make calls |
| 13:25:06 | imm | chouimat|coffee: nope :( |
| 13:25:08 | VerxHome | that is what I am talking about |
| 13:25:35 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: yes... that's exactly what i was thinking about |
| 13:25:51 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: and of course would allow you to surf on the internet with the same card |
| 13:25:56 | chouimat|coffee | imm: I think that Sniper is sending them via the regular postal service so we will get them before xmas :) |
| 13:26:16 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: that is the reason i don't have a cellphone yet! I like to dream, more than to own! :-) |
| 13:26:19 | VerxHome | ciaolinux: It should be possible given an external antenna (I just mean an antenna that sticks out from the pcmcia card - doesn't have to be like "removable" or anything |
| 13:26:23 | imm | chouimat|coffee: dream on |
| 13:26:34 | chouimat|coffee | imm: hehe |
| 13:27:55 | ciaolinux | imm: have you asked Sniper? |
| 13:28:16 | VerxHome | man |
| 13:28:21 | VerxHome | I am itching to buy the terapin mine |
| 13:28:24 | VerxHome | really itching |
| 13:28:24 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:28:26 | numatrix | anybody know who did the nmap3.0 ipk? It's got some cruft in it. Looks like some files in the user's home directory who made it got thrown in. |
| 13:29:46 | imm | ciaolinux: he was here some days ago and said that the shipped some and some will be shipped later |
| 13:29:50 | darienm | looks around for whardier.... |
| 13:29:55 | KGBudz | there is like a little tiny N next to my time on my zaurus |
| 13:29:57 | darienm | curses under his breath |
| 13:29:58 | KGBudz | what is it |
| 13:30:08 | darienm | KGBudz: to the left or right? |
| 13:30:12 | KGBudz | right |
| 13:30:13 | numatrix | KGBudz: numlock, probably. |
| 13:30:13 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 13:30:25 | VerxHome | terapin mine as a wireless divx server |
| 13:30:27 | VerxHome | THINK OF IT MAN |
| 13:30:28 | darienm | Yup, you held down Fn-Shift |
| 13:30:37 | VerxHome | you just leave the mine in your backpack, with wireless plugged in |
| 13:30:39 | numatrix | KGBudz: press FN / to turn it off. |
| 13:30:44 | ciaolinux | imm: would it be too bad to ask for a Tracking #? I always do that when i buy stuff on the internet, but i guess now it is a bit different ;-) |
| 13:30:48 | VerxHome | and your Z can play 10GB worth of divx movies! |
| 13:30:48 | Cloudchaser | VerxHome: that would be so cool, does it work with the z? |
| 13:30:53 | darienm | or rather Fn-Tab or Fn-/ |
| 13:30:58 | KGBudz | yup, thanks |
| 13:30:59 | darienm | Yeah, what numatrix said |
| 13:31:01 | numatrix | :-) |
| 13:31:09 | KGBudz | also, i can get my ftpd to work |
| 13:31:11 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: I am reading about it, but it has ethernet built in, and a pcmcia slot - and supposedly supports wireless |
| 13:31:12 | KGBudz | can=cant |
| 13:31:16 | numatrix | darienm: Going to add any more wireless updates in the journal? |
| 13:31:32 | numatrix | KGBudz: what ftpd are you referring to? The one on port 4242? |
| 13:31:53 | imm | ciaolinux: hmm, dont know. i just hope they ship it somewhen |
| 13:32:02 | numatrix | imm: Amen to that... |
| 13:32:11 | darienm | numatrix, if I had any to add. The service (not the product) has been sucking for me. I wrote a comment on zaurus.loveslinus.com >> http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=60&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 13:32:18 | numatrix | imm: If you were trying to say sometime soon. |
| 13:32:36 | KGBudz | numa, yes, the one on 4242 |
| 13:33:16 | numatrix | darienm: bummer. That's a let down. It would seem like you should have great coverage there. |
| 13:33:17 | Cloudchaser | VerxHome: with wireless/ethernet capabilities it could be a portable file server in general |
| 13:33:28 | numatrix | KGBudz: what's not working about it? |
| 13:33:33 | KGBudz | cant connect |
| 13:33:36 | Cloudchaser | which would so solve my current issues with getting my data off windows to linux easily |
| 13:33:38 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: That is why I am so very very interested |
| 13:33:38 | numatrix | KGBudz: what are you using to connect? |
| 13:33:43 | numatrix | KGBudz: what rom version do you have? |
| 13:33:46 | VerxHome | I need to see how it does wireless |
| 13:33:47 | Cloudchaser | now i just need 500.00 |
| 13:33:51 | KGBudz | 1.38 |
| 13:33:51 | VerxHome | or find a meaningful review |
| 13:33:51 | Cloudchaser | piece of cake |
| 13:33:54 | VerxHome | keeps reading |
| 13:33:57 | Cloudchaser | keeps dreaming |
| 13:34:24 | VerxHome | I -*LOVE*- the idea of a completely portable 802.11 fileserver |
| 13:34:28 | VerxHome | that just kicks ass |
| 13:34:35 | VerxHome | perfect place to back things up to |
| 13:34:35 | ljp_work | keeps being unmotivated |
| 13:34:39 | numatrix | KGBudz: I think they may have disabled the 4242 ftp server with that update. You could always install a 'regular' ftp server. |
| 13:34:39 | VerxHome | I could rsync to my datamine |
| 13:34:40 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:34:54 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 13:34:54 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for ftpd |
| 13:34:54 | VerxHome | scratch thsat |
| 13:34:54 | VerxHome | couldn't rsync |
| 13:34:58 | VerxHome | but could copy to/from |
| 13:34:58 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:35:09 | numatrix | darienm: <sigh> ibot never likes me. |
| 13:35:20 | darienm | ibit search zsi for ftpd |
| 13:35:25 | | troll-ftpd 1.28 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=372 |
| 13:35:25 | darienm | ibot search zsi for ftpd |
| 13:35:32 | numatrix | KGBudz: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=372 |
| 13:35:38 | darienm | numatrix: are you putting tabs or something in there ?? |
| 13:35:39 | numatrix | :-( See, really, ibot doesn't like me. |
| 13:35:45 | darienm | numatrix: try again |
| 13:35:49 | numatrix | darienm: nope. I'm using x-chat if that makes a difference |
| 13:35:53 | | troll-ftpd 1.28 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=372 |
| 13:35:53 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for ftpd |
| 13:35:59 | | Frotz 2.42 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=253 |
| 13:35:59 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for frotz |
| 13:36:14 | numatrix | Spiffy; for once it wasn't me. (after I learned not to use , or :) |
| 13:36:16 | KGBudz | thanks, i just read that the latest rom update binds the ftp to usb only |
| 13:36:30 | darienm | numatrix: actually both , and : have no apparent problems |
| 13:36:41 | | prboom 2.2.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=333 |
| 13:36:41 | numatrix | ibot: search zsi for prboom |
| 13:36:46 | ciaolinux | is there any way to link a Z with a portable USB cd burner? |
| 13:36:53 | Cloudchaser | i'm still using 2.37 for that reason...can't synch with wireless with 2.38 either |
| 13:37:09 | tux_mike | really needs a good linux sync program for files between a laptop, desktop and server |
| 13:37:19 | numatrix | darienm: Apparently so. Hmm, I guess Ibot was still in "doesn't-like-numatrix" mode. |
| 13:37:20 | Cloudchaser | hey tux mike |
| 13:37:22 | imm | ciaolinux: no, the Z is just a USB device |
| 13:37:40 | numatrix | tux_mike: you see that new zsi app? unison? That looks good. |
| 13:37:41 | Cloudchaser | there's a post on zaurus general about unison ipk |
| 13:37:55 | Cloudchaser | but i'm not quite savvy enough to figure it all out |
| 13:38:06 | tux_mike | actually, i'm not looking for something for the Z. i need something for my new laptop |
| 13:38:13 | VerxHome | tux_mike: Use rsync man |
| 13:38:14 | Cloudchaser | was trying to find someone who might have figured it all out |
| 13:38:16 | tux_mike | i have 1.3G of data to keep in sync :) |
| 13:38:19 | ljp_work | benmeyer: do you have a desktop file for backup? |
| 13:38:20 | numatrix | tux_mike: Unison works on windows and linux apparently. |
| 13:38:21 | tux_mike | rsync, eh? |
| 13:38:25 | ciaolinux | imm: how about parallel port? |
| 13:38:27 | benmeyer | y |
| 13:38:33 | ciaolinux | isn't it possible to print on it? |
| 13:38:35 | VerxHome | tux_mike: Couldn't be simpler |
| 13:38:39 | tux_mike | don't need windows. windows doesn't have the /right/ to view my data :) |
| 13:39:00 | tux_mike | i may have to do something about secure rsync tunneling :) |
| 13:39:15 | benmeyer | stunnel |
| 13:39:24 | tux_mike | either that or ssh :) |
| 13:39:24 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: have you used unison? |
| 13:39:32 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: nope, just saw the ipk this morning. |
| 13:39:48 | Cloudchaser | i went to the website for docs on how to set it all up |
| 13:39:53 | ciaolinux | Cloudchaser: do you know how to use unison? |
| 13:39:53 | tux_mike | but, i find it much easier to keep my desktop and server in sync. it's the same filesystem :) |
| 13:39:55 | Cloudchaser | no i don't i want to |
| 13:40:08 | ljp_work | I can sing in unison.. does that count? |
| 13:40:10 | Cloudchaser | i need a bit of help though getting it set up |
| 13:40:32 | ciaolinux | Cloudchaser: I have asked to a lot of people but i never get the answer for it: is there anyway just to sync files like *.cpp |
| 13:40:34 | Cloudchaser | no details on the ipk either as to what it actually does |
| 13:40:40 | ciaolinux | I have been using it quite often |
| 13:40:58 | Cloudchaser | using what? |
| 13:41:00 | ciaolinux | but i don't know how to do something so simple as just to consider files of a certain type |
| 13:41:09 | ciaolinux | unison |
| 13:41:13 | Cloudchaser | you have? |
| 13:41:25 | ciaolinux | now with Z... sorry |
| 13:41:26 | warmi | hi |
| 13:41:29 | Cloudchaser | heya warmi! |
| 13:41:36 | ciaolinux | as soon as i get one... i will try to |
| 13:42:00 | Cloudchaser | if you get it working will you post some instructions maybe? |
| 13:42:19 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 13:42:20 | ciaolinux | sure. |
| 13:42:24 | VerxHome | WOW! |
| 13:42:30 | VerxHome | The Terapin Mine runs Linux! |
| 13:42:36 | ciaolinux | Cloudchaser: have you ever tried to use it just for pc? |
| 13:42:47 | benmeyer | Terapin Mine? |
| 13:42:48 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 13:42:58 | Cloudchaser | i'm still puzzling over the compiler |
| 13:43:37 | VerxHome | benmeyer: This thing looks kickass. Here is a URL: |
| 13:43:37 | ciaolinux | well that one is very simple to use... I can sync a sparc with a x86 |
| 13:43:37 | VerxHome | http://www.terapintech.com |
| 13:43:55 | VerxHome | click on the terapin mine |
| 13:44:09 | Cloudchaser | cool |
| 13:44:20 | treke|home | warmi: nice job on the image viewer |
| 13:44:21 | kergoth | morning |
| 13:44:32 | Cloudchaser | i want to get it instsalled for red hat 7.3 but looks like i have to download some compiler and compile it |
| 13:44:33 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
| 13:44:40 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth ;) |
| 13:44:59 | ciaolinux | Cloudchaser: I don't know about redhat but for debian there is a binary for it. |
| 13:45:07 | ciaolinux | for solaris too. |
| 13:45:13 | Cloudchaser | there's one for mandrake |
| 13:45:16 | Cloudchaser | could i use that? |
| 13:45:18 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: use that |
| 13:45:19 | Cloudchaser | on red hat? |
| 13:45:24 | warmi | Cloudchaser: your RH should come with compiler preinstalled |
| 13:45:27 | ciaolinux | isn't it an rpm? |
| 13:45:31 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 13:45:33 | VerxHome | you know |
| 13:45:39 | VerxHome | their "FAQ" about the terapin mine |
| 13:45:44 | treke|home | warmi: it doesnt if you just choose workstation :) |
| 13:45:46 | VerxHome | is the most COMPLETE FAQ I have ever seen for a product |
| 13:45:47 | ciaolinux | well then i guess it should work |
| 13:45:49 | VerxHome | I am amazed |
| 13:45:59 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 12:18:02) |
| 13:46:44 | KGBudz | how do you create a feed for your zaurus? |
| 13:46:55 | Cloudchaser | you need someing called an Objective Caml compiler |
| 13:47:02 | warmi | treke: uhh .. there cannot be a computer which one can call a workstation without a compiler installed :-) |
| 13:47:12 | treke|home | warmi: Tell that to redhat |
| 13:47:21 | Cloudchaser | KGBudz: ibot howto |
| 13:47:24 | | i heard howto was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 13:47:24 | Cloudchaser | ibot howto |
| 13:47:28 | KGBudz | thanks |
| 13:47:32 | Cloudchaser | there's instructions there for setting up feed |
| 13:47:33 | treke|home | either way, I dont think redhat has any o caml compilers packaged :) |
| 13:47:37 | | warmi: huh? |
| 13:47:37 | warmi | ibot then you heard wrong |
| 13:47:41 | benmeyer | KGBudz: it is in the howtos |
| 13:47:49 | warmi | hehe |
| 13:47:52 | benmeyer | and if anything doesn't make sense tell me, I wrote it |
| 13:47:54 | Cloudchaser | hehe i told him ;) |
| 13:48:17 | darienm | benmeyer: tell me if you think this is worth pursuing http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/am-ui.php |
| 13:49:00 | VerxHome | wow |
| 13:49:08 | VerxHome | I think I am gonna have to start saving for the mine |
| 13:49:10 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 17 hours, 49 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: numatrix: well - i've talked about more icons with benmeyer but it ended in the conclusion that more icons don't give more information ... what do others think? [Thu Sep 5 20:59:30 2002] |
| 13:49:10 | numatrix | ibot: seen killefiz |
| 13:49:18 | benmeyer | darienm: yes, that is needed |
| 13:49:20 | tux_mike | verx: i would if it was USB 2.0 |
| 13:49:32 | darienm | benmeyer: great - I hope to have it done today or tomorrow :) |
| 13:49:38 | tux_mike | and 20G |
| 13:49:41 | VerxHome | tux_mike: WHO CARES MAN! It has frigging ethernet and PCMCIA for crisakes! |
| 13:49:43 | benmeyer | how does it work? |
| 13:49:58 | tux_mike | ethernet? |
| 13:50:02 | VerxHome | yeah dude |
| 13:50:02 | tux_mike | really? |
| 13:50:07 | VerxHome | get this |
| 13:50:10 | tux_mike | how about wifi? :) |
| 13:50:15 | VerxHome | I told you |
| 13:50:16 | VerxHome | it has PCMCIA |
| 13:50:19 | VerxHome | so you can do wifi |
| 13:50:20 | tux_mike | a slot? |
| 13:50:22 | tux_mike | dood |
| 13:50:22 | VerxHome | and it frigging runs Linux |
| 13:50:24 | warmi | darien: did erikd get his ZAurus yet ? |
| 13:50:24 | VerxHome | yeah man |
| 13:50:26 | tux_mike | interesting |
| 13:50:31 | darienm | warmi: no, not yet. |
| 13:50:33 | VerxHome | you can write your own linux apps for it |
| 13:50:36 | darienm | warmi: its supposed to be shipped to me. |
| 13:50:41 | VerxHome | I am stunned by the possibilities |
| 13:50:45 | tux_mike | what's the mfgr site? |
| 13:50:54 | darienm | warmi: then I will ship it (or deliver) it to him.... still waiting. |
| 13:50:56 | VerxHome | http://www.terapintech.com |
| 13:51:02 | VerxHome | then click on the terapin mine |
| 13:51:06 | tux_mike | does need more space in a device like this than 10G |
| 13:51:21 | VerxHome | tux_mike: you can upgrade the hard disk! |
| 13:51:24 | warmi | darien: but you already got confirmation that you will be getting one ,right ? |
| 13:51:31 | VerxHome | tux_mike: it is a standard 2.5" hard disk man |
| 13:51:38 | tux_mike | that i figured |
| 13:51:42 | VerxHome | heh |
| 13:51:53 | warmi | tux_mike:" I recently bought 80 GB IDE at Circuit City for about $70 or so |
| 13:51:56 | VerxHome | ok |
| 13:52:01 | VerxHome | it can be a USB master or slave |
| 13:52:05 | darienm | warmi: oh yes. We earned it. |
| 13:52:07 | VerxHome | has 10mbs ethernet |
| 13:52:11 | VerxHome | 10GB hard disk |
| 13:52:17 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm looking for mobile storage |
| 13:52:17 | VerxHome | is 375 grams |
| 13:52:18 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 13:52:21 | tux_mike | for when i get my laptop |
| 13:52:26 | VerxHome | has composite viseo out |
| 13:52:38 | VerxHome | mono recording, stereo playback |
| 13:52:42 | tux_mike | what can you do with the video out? |
| 13:52:46 | VerxHome | you can get online and read your email with it |
| 13:52:54 | VerxHome | tux_mike: I know you can view jpgs |
| 13:53:00 | VerxHome | ok, yeah |
| 13:53:03 | VerxHome | still images only |
| 13:53:06 | VerxHome | on the video out |
| 13:53:22 | numatrix | I'll be. mfighter actually works. Sorta. |
| 13:53:22 | kergoth | hm, yeah, thats another toy i dont need |
| 13:53:22 | kergoth | heheh |
| 13:53:30 | tux_mike | now, how about hdd sharing, how do you see the drive over eht or wifi? |
| 13:53:32 | VerxHome | kergoth: Isn't it just killer tho? |
| 13:53:45 | kergoth | oh its nifty alright |
| 13:53:49 | kergoth | but its more a toy than anything else |
| 13:53:54 | kergoth | but then, so is my Zmost of the time |
| 13:53:55 | VerxHome | tux_mike: I have only just started reading, but you can apparently mount it or something |
| 13:53:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:54:11 | kergoth | tux_mike: it runs linux, you can make it use whatever protocols you like, most likely |
| 13:54:35 | VerxHome | 7 inches long |
| 13:54:36 | tux_mike | that would be wicked to have this, my notebook, and my z all talking in an ad-hoc network anywhere i go :) |
| 13:54:39 | VerxHome | 3.2 inches wide |
| 13:54:48 | VerxHome | 1 inch thick |
| 13:54:48 | Cloudchaser | that terapin would be usefull for more than just the z |
| 13:54:48 | tux_mike | kerg: i figure nfs |
| 13:54:48 | VerxHome | man, I gotta have this thing |
| 13:54:48 | numatrix | tux_mike: little bluetooth maybe? |
| 13:55:07 | VerxHome | yeah, you could do bluetooth too |
| 13:55:10 | VerxHome | I mean, it runs linux |
| 13:55:20 | VerxHome | so you should be able to do pretty much anything |
| 13:55:25 | kergoth | within reason of course |
| 13:55:26 | numatrix | VerxHome: why don't you just wait and save a little more for the oqo? |
| 13:55:28 | kergoth | but yeah, nifty. |
| 13:55:41 | VerxHome | numatrix: I don't want the oqo, that's why. I read about it. |
| 13:55:42 | tux_mike | well, my next laptop has integrated wifi, so i wouldn't need to use it's only slot for a card :) |
| 13:55:45 | numatrix | You know people are gonna get linux on that thing about as fast as it takes to sneeze. |
| 13:55:53 | chouimat|coffee | new qtopia-free-1.6.0-snapshot |
| 13:56:03 | numatrix | VerxHome: so what exactly don't you like about the oqo if you're so hyped about the terapinmine? |
| 13:56:13 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: qtopia desktop 1.6 snapshot, or qtopia 1.6 snapshot? |
| 13:56:19 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: or qtopia sdk? |
| 13:56:21 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: hehe |
| 13:56:31 | VerxHome | numatrix: The oqo doesn't have a keyboard. It doesn't have enough buttons to be useful to me |
| 13:56:38 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: sdk qt-embeded 2.3.4 |
| 13:56:51 | VerxHome | numatrix: My compaq ipaq doesn't have enough buttons, and it has frigging 5 buttons plus a cursor pad |
| 13:56:51 | numatrix | VerxHome: and the terapin does? |
| 13:56:51 | tux_mike | the more buttons the better, i always say |
| 13:57:16 | VerxHome | numatrix: The oqo has -*TWO*- (count em!) -*TWO*- whole entire buttons |
| 13:57:30 | VerxHome | numatrix: The terapin is a frigging fileserver. |
| 13:57:35 | VerxHome | numatrix: I will keep the Z |
| 13:57:37 | numatrix | VerxHome: you're talking about using your Z to connect to it anyway. |
| 13:57:40 | VerxHome | and just add the terapin mine |
| 13:57:50 | VerxHome | perfectness |
| 13:57:50 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:57:50 | numatrix | VerxHome: how much does the mine cost? |
| 13:57:54 | VerxHome | $500 |
| 13:58:00 | VerxHome | that's retail |
| 13:58:07 | VerxHome | I haven't checked to see if I can get it cheaper yet |
| 13:58:21 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: 2.3.4? oi |
| 13:58:27 | numatrix | VerxHome: any idea how much the oqo costs? My point is that if the oqo is anywhere reasonable, you could use it for almost the same thing as the mine, but it has much more capacity to be expanded. |
| 13:58:41 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: cant they *release* one version before giving out betas of the next? hehe |
| 13:58:45 | numatrix | VerxHome: not to mention it's smaller. |
| 13:58:45 | tux_mike | verx: do you know the cpu on it? |
| 13:58:55 | chouimat|coffee | kergoth: ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots |
| 13:58:58 | VerxHome | numatrix: No, the uqo is MUCH larger |
| 13:59:23 | VerxHome | besides, the terapin mine has been out for a year |
| 13:59:29 | kergoth | chouimat|coffee: gr. thanks for the info |
| 13:59:31 | VerxHome | the oqo is just an idea |
| 13:59:55 | numatrix | morning anselor |
| 14:00:03 | numatrix | ibot help conversions |
| 14:00:30 | Cray | hi |
| 14:00:38 | Cray | ZAURUS ROCKS! err, ahem |
| 14:01:13 | VerxHome | indeed |
| 14:01:14 | ljp_work | hmmm does it? |
| 14:01:21 | ljp_work | how so? |
| 14:01:38 | numatrix | 4.1 x 2.9 x 0.9 for the oqo 7.1 x 3.5 x 1 for the mine. How in the world is the mine smaller? |
| 14:01:39 | W|GGL|T | of course it does...this is #zaurus |
| 14:01:40 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 14:02:02 | tux_mike | the mine is more of a personal data device |
| 14:02:23 | numatrix | Specs from their respective websites (with the mine's metrircs converted using an online javascript tool) |
| 14:04:40 | numatrix | VerxHome: I completely agree that the mine is a great tool, I'm not trying to under-mine it, just pointing out that the oqo is very similar and has some advantages, and yes, some disadvantages. |
| 14:06:23 | VerxHome | well |
| 14:06:25 | VerxHome | the only bummer I see |
| 14:06:42 | VerxHome | is that storage prices are always plummeting |
| 14:06:43 | VerxHome | so like |
| 14:06:47 | VerxHome | I have to ask myself |
| 14:07:01 | VerxHome | I am selling 3 zip drives on ebay |
| 14:07:05 | VerxHome | and a jaz drive |
| 14:07:12 | VerxHome | the zip drives store 100MB's per disk |
| 14:07:17 | VerxHome | and the jaz stores 1GB per disk |
| 14:07:26 | VerxHome | for the most part, those things are worthless today |
| 14:07:41 | chouimat|coffee | VerxHome: and another one store 2.2GB on a disk |
| 14:07:44 | VerxHome | will a 10GB portable storage unit be a meaningless amount of storage later on? |
| 14:07:57 | numatrix | VerxHome: it sure will; the question is how much later on... |
| 14:07:58 | VerxHome | like SOON later on I mean |
| 14:08:01 | numatrix | :-) |
| 14:08:02 | VerxHome | right |
| 14:08:15 | tux_mike | actually for what i would use this for, it immediatley would be filled |
| 14:08:38 | numatrix | mp3's and divx? |
| 14:08:41 | VerxHome | tux_mike: What would you use it for? |
| 14:08:53 | tux_mike | and i'd want it to play oggs |
| 14:08:56 | tux_mike | verx: oggs |
| 14:09:00 | VerxHome | yeah, it doesn't play oggs |
| 14:09:01 | ljp_work | still uses (occasionally) a 40 mb drive |
| 14:09:11 | tux_mike | well, that can be easily fixed now |
| 14:09:12 | VerxHome | ljp: I have a 40MB CF card |
| 14:09:23 | ljp_work | I also have a 20 mb drive |
| 14:09:25 | VerxHome | I think that card has outlived its usefulness to me |
| 14:09:42 | VerxHome | I mean, I have 8 128MB CF cards |
| 14:09:43 | ljp_work | well, send it to me |
| 14:09:43 | KGBudz | what library is libslang.so.1 |
| 14:09:49 | VerxHome | so the 40MB CF card isn't very useful |
| 14:09:50 | kergoth | KGBudz: slang. |
| 14:09:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:10:02 | numatrix | VerxHome: 8 128's? What do you use them all for? |
| 14:10:09 | ljp_work | I can make good use of a 40 mb cf |
| 14:10:12 | VerxHome | numatrix: Digital camera |
| 14:10:20 | numatrix | VerxHome: that makes sense. |
| 14:10:23 | VerxHome | ljp: I will likely mail it to you then |
| 14:10:31 | ljp_work | hahah cool.. |
| 14:10:34 | VerxHome | ljp: If I sell the stuff I am trying to sell on ebay |
| 14:10:41 | VerxHome | I will mail kergoth a 64MB MMC |
| 14:10:46 | VerxHome | and ljp a 40MB CF |
| 14:10:52 | tux_mike | needs a cf card, i don't have one |
| 14:10:58 | numatrix | Dang. I should have hopped on on that. I need a CF card too. |
| 14:11:00 | tux_mike | i need something for flashing :) |
| 14:11:01 | numatrix | nods at tux_mike |
| 14:11:13 | ljp_work | I can mail a floppy of some of linux apps ;) |
| 14:11:22 | Cray | i got a 256m cf card for $80... its a PNY |
| 14:11:25 | numatrix | I borrowed someone's to try out OZ briefly, but I'll definitely need to get one when I get my dev model to put OZ on it. |
| 14:11:28 | VerxHome | ljp: heheheh |
| 14:11:50 | VerxHome | Cray: Tell me - do you have problems with suspend/resume on your Z if that CF card is plugged in? |
| 14:12:16 | Cray | i dont have a Z |
| 14:12:20 | Cray | i have a Toshi E740 |
| 14:12:32 | ljp_work | does that run linux? |
| 14:12:33 | numatrix | morning killefiz |
| 14:12:40 | Cray | i shouted something about zaurus's rocking just to be accepted in the channel :-) |
| 14:12:44 | numatrix | I wanted to finish that icon discussion I started yesterday... |
| 14:12:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:12:49 | killefiz | numatrix: well - morning (5pm here ;) |
| 14:13:01 | numatrix | killefiz: as it may be; good day to you, sir. :-0 |
| 14:13:05 | ljp_work | what procvessor is that toshi? |
| 14:13:19 | Cray | 400mhz xscale |
| 14:13:26 | Cray | and damnit i wanna linux distro for it |
| 14:13:33 | Cray | 384k onboard 3daccel |
| 14:13:36 | ljp_work | tried familiar? |
| 14:13:52 | W|GGL|T | cray start to hacking :o) |
| 14:13:57 | ljp_work | the bitch would be the bootloader |
| 14:14:18 | Cray | its got 64m, CF, SD, PrismII based 802.11b... |
| 14:14:25 | ljp_work | then you could run familiar/opie |
| 14:14:26 | Cray | removable/upgradable battery... |
| 14:14:32 | Cray | all built in |
| 14:14:55 | W|GGL|T | almost the same as the Z but the cpu |
| 14:15:03 | numatrix | Cray: yeah, those are very nice pda's. Zaurus has keyboard, Toshi has bult in 802.11. That's the main trade off besides cpu. |
| 14:15:18 | numatrix | Cray: and oh yeah, linux. ;-) Which about evens out the cpu differential. |
| 14:15:33 | ljp_work | what os is on that ? |
| 14:15:33 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 14:15:39 | numatrix | ljp_work: Pocketpc |
| 14:15:47 | kergoth | but someone will get linux onto it eventually.. |
| 14:16:13 | VerxHome | anyone here familiar with X10? |
| 14:16:14 | Cray | the kb. on the zaurus is nastyrific though |
| 14:16:16 | numatrix | kergoth: Yup, it's only a question of how long, and how seamless the integration is. |
| 14:16:19 | numatrix | VerxHome: yeah. |
| 14:16:19 | Cray | verxhome: who the hell isnt? |
| 14:16:27 | VerxHome | heh |
| 14:16:28 | VerxHome | me |
| 14:16:31 | VerxHome | hides his head |
| 14:16:34 | VerxHome | what I don't get is |
| 14:16:37 | Cray | verxhome: every person ever living in the history of the world knows of x10 and their infernal ads |
| 14:16:39 | | numatrix: what? |
| 14:16:39 | numatrix | ibot: e740 |
| 14:16:54 | VerxHome | how do you control X10 devices without plugging into your power outlets? |
| 14:17:02 | W|GGL|T | i know what it is, im not familiar with it |
| 14:17:03 | ljp_work | whats x10... x11's baby brother? |
| 14:17:09 | VerxHome | ljp: heh, no |
| 14:17:16 | W|GGL|T | some spy-like cam |
| 14:17:17 | VerxHome | ljp: It lets you power things on and off |
| 14:17:17 | | OK, numatrix. |
| 14:17:17 | numatrix | ibot: e740 is http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodList.jsp?comm=CS&plin=Toshiba%20Pocket%20PC&pfam=Toshiba%20Pocket%20PC%20e740 |
| 14:17:30 | numatrix | ljp: among other things; prett neat stuff. |
| 14:17:35 | | i haven't a clue, cray |
| 14:17:35 | Cray | ibot, give me a list of what you know |
| 14:17:36 | VerxHome | http://www.smarthome.com/aboutx10.html |
| 14:18:16 | numatrix | ljp: Yeah, they're the ones who have many of those annoying popup adds for their wireless cameras. "Watch the kids when you're gone" With some picture of some hot woman in a dress on the ad. ;-) |
| 14:18:22 | W|GGL|T | i'd say 80% of their ads have women in it, like they are saying you can spy on women with it |
| 14:18:31 | numatrix | W|GGL|T: yup, yup; see above |
| 14:18:48 | VerxHome | numatrix: Is that X10? |
| 14:18:52 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 14:18:52 | VerxHome | didn't realize that |
| 14:19:00 | tux_mike | yay! paycheck |
| 14:19:05 | Cray | numatrix: oh i see, bug your daughters bedroom and watch her masturbate? pedophilic X10! I'll SUE! |
| 14:19:10 | ljp_work | oohhh.. do share! |
| 14:19:16 | tux_mike | hrm.... i just realized, i never dot the i in my signiture :) |
| 14:19:30 | ljp_work | you kow what that means |
| 14:19:36 | ljp_work | know even |
| 14:19:49 | tux_mike | beef kow? |
| 14:19:56 | ljp_work | you know |
| 14:19:56 | numatrix | Cray: Erhm. Yeah. That's exactly what I was suggesting. :-) |
| 14:20:00 | ljp_work | heh |
| 14:20:23 | numatrix | VerxHome: yeah. The actual homepage is... dang it, I can't remember. |
| 14:20:45 | numatrix | VerxHome: riiiiight... x10.com. :-) |
| 14:20:45 | ljp_work | search google for homepage |
| 14:20:52 | KallDrexx | why won't any ipkgs install to my CF? |
| 14:20:58 | kolla | homepage is not an english word |
| 14:21:06 | numatrix | KallDrexx: have you done the voodoo dance on the card? That always helps. |
| 14:21:30 | kolla | it's "home page" |
| 14:21:34 | Cray | anyone seen the 10X spoof? |
| 14:21:36 | numatrix | VerxHome: they have really crazy specials occasionally; which is the only way to order things because their normal prices kinda suck. |
| 14:21:38 | ljp_work | alot of ipkg wont install to cf cause they have symlinks in them |
| 14:22:03 | ljp_work | instead of creating htem in a postinst script |
| 14:22:29 | kolla | X10? 10X? |
| 14:22:42 | KallDrexx | ljp_work hmm can't get op2 to go to mtdram or anywehre |
| 14:22:42 | KallDrexx | oh and another problem |
| 14:22:42 | KallDrexx | so is it impossible to play videos on a 500d? |
| 14:22:48 | ljp_work | x10.. the early version of x11 |
| 14:22:53 | VerxHome | BEST OF X10 SALE! 10 ITEMS FOR 1 CENT/EACH!* |
| 14:22:53 | VerxHome | OFFER EXPIRES SEPT. 6! *** ONLY HOURS LEFT! *** More Info |
| 14:22:53 | VerxHome | |
| 14:22:53 | VerxHome | |
| 14:22:53 | VerxHome | |
| 14:22:53 | VerxHome | . |
| 14:22:55 | VerxHome | |
| 14:22:57 | VerxHome | looks at numatrix |
| 14:22:59 | VerxHome | um |
| 14:23:03 | VerxHome | so I guess this is one of those really crazy specials eh? |
| 14:23:05 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:23:16 | ljp_work | KallDrexx: the codec package? it has symlinks |
| 14:23:24 | numatrix | VerxHome: :-) Yeah, it's kinda cheezy. If you give them your email you'll get an email a day telling you about their 'wonderful' specials. They do have really good deals though. |
| 14:23:32 | ljp_work | the player package should install to cf |
| 14:23:45 | KallDrexx | it won't |
| 14:23:50 | KallDrexx | i got it to once |
| 14:23:58 | ljp_work | the reason why symlinks dont work on cf, is if the cf is a ms filsystem |
| 14:24:04 | Cray | here you guys go, dont piss yourself laughing: http://www.somethingawful.com/10x/index.htm |
| 14:24:06 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 14:24:31 | KallDrexx | either way op2 takes up 9 freakin megs of my memory, leaving me with 400k which doesn't let me watch a video |
| 14:24:42 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 14:24:44 | VerxHome | the um |
| 14:24:47 | VerxHome | 1cent items |
| 14:24:51 | VerxHome | are around $20 apiece |
| 14:24:52 | ljp_work | you can unpack the xinelibs and delete the ones you dont use |
| 14:24:59 | VerxHome | tries to conceive of the math behind that. . . |
| 14:25:07 | ljp_work | later we are going to split up the codec into seperate packages |
| 14:25:13 | VerxHome | ooooooooh |
| 14:25:18 | VerxHome | $15.99 normal price |
| 14:25:22 | VerxHome | get two for $16 |
| 14:25:25 | VerxHome | heheheh |
| 14:25:30 | VerxHome | "second one is only a penny!" |
| 14:25:33 | VerxHome | passes |
| 14:25:43 | Cray | is anyone reading my link? |
| 14:25:48 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 14:25:50 | numatrix | VerxHome: like I said, there are good deals, but you have to wait and watch. |
| 14:25:52 | numatrix | Cray: yeah, it's great. |
| 14:26:04 | ljp_work | doesnt know what a link is |
| 14:26:07 | numatrix | HELP ME I'M BEING HELD AGAINST MY WILL! |
| 14:26:07 | numatrix | Our 50G-X Cam9 reads the thought patterns of your enemies and preemptively shoots them with a mounted 100mm cannon! They might also shoot you too if you don't purchase the 50G-X Cam9 AntiCam System Displacement Unit! So hurry up and order now because you'll be too dead to order later! |
| 14:26:38 | VerxHome | YOU ONLY HAVE NANOSECONDS LEFT TO ORDER THE 10X MEGAPAN SWIVEL MOUNTED INFRARED SOUL SEEKER! Only $299.99 (without camera). Take $23 off if you've been swindled by us before! Take $31 off if you have suffered scars and burns from a malfunctioning 10X FEMTO RADIFRIEND ULTRACAM. Take $76 off if you're a GOVERNMENT AGENT investigating us for MAIL FRAUD! Offer ends 12/19/2912! |
| 14:26:56 | VerxHome | Take $76 off if you're a GOVERNMENT AGENT |
| 14:26:58 | VerxHome | investigating us for MAIL FRAUD! |
| 14:27:03 | KallDrexx | how much memory do you need to play vieos? |
| 14:27:03 | VerxHome | that's the best little bit there |
| 14:27:04 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:27:24 | W|GGL|T | bwahahaha |
| 14:27:26 | VerxHome | LIMITED-TIME OFFERS! |
| 14:27:27 | VerxHome | Order 3 Amazing 10XCam9Cam2s For the Price of 4 and Get 1 ABSOLUTELY FREE!!! |
| 14:27:37 | VerxHome | that is great |
| 14:27:51 | ljp_work | KallDrexx: right now op2 needs alot of extra memory,, it wont work on my 5000d |
| 14:28:05 | VerxHome | LAST DAY! |
| 14:28:06 | VerxHome | Your time is running out to purchase the laser-guided 15X Spy Drone which was recently called a threat to national security! Order today before your friends get one and release it on you! IT HAS CLAWS! |
| 14:28:11 | VerxHome | ok ok, I have to stop reading |
| 14:28:12 | KallDrexx | ljp_work ugh any media player that can work with the 5000d? |
| 14:28:14 | VerxHome | I am gonna rupture myself |
| 14:28:23 | numatrix | KallDrexx: you try mplayer yet? That's probably your best bet. |
| 14:28:28 | VerxHome | "IT HAS CLAWS!" |
| 14:28:30 | KallDrexx | numatrix where is ti? |
| 14:28:31 | VerxHome | is dying |
| 14:28:32 | | mplayer 0.90pre5 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=353 |
| 14:28:32 | numatrix | ibot search zsi for mplayer |
| 14:28:40 | W|GGL|T | wonder if you can get it to work with a zaurus :o) |
| 14:28:40 | numatrix | points up |
| 14:29:04 | numatrix | W|GGL|T: actually, there is x10 software for the Z I just added to ZSI. |
| 14:29:19 | ljp_work | KallDrexx: ya, op1 works ok |
| 14:29:22 | W|GGL|T | all it needs is a cloaking device |
| 14:29:22 | numatrix | W|GGL|T: unless you're referring to the claws. :-) |
| 14:29:40 | ljp_work | in a week or so xine willhave a new version |
| 14:29:51 | VerxHome | WOW! |
| 14:29:52 | VerxHome | The fancy new 95X-F-Cam Cam Monitor will monitor your 10X Cameras to make sure they aren't spying on you! |
| 14:29:56 | ljp_work | anyone know arm asm here? |
| 14:29:57 | VerxHome | hahahaha |
| 14:29:58 | VerxHome | ok |
| 14:30:01 | VerxHome | who sent me this link |
| 14:30:04 | VerxHome | I am gonna kill 'em |
| 14:30:12 | kolla | VerxHome: X10? |
| 14:30:13 | numatrix | VerxHome: blame Cray |
| 14:30:23 | VerxHome | Cray, your end is approaching |
| 14:30:24 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:31:14 | benmeyer | how much power do you think that z would use if left on all of the time? |
| 14:31:31 | benmeyer | More then a little computer, or less? |
| 14:32:11 | ljp_work | tux:mike was it you learning arm asm? |
| 14:32:23 | kolla | I've had mine on overnights with display off |
| 14:32:36 | ljp_work | benmeyer: most likely less |
| 14:32:50 | kolla | I thought the Z was a little computer :) |
| 14:32:57 | benmeyer | I could run it as a vpn server after locking it down and just duck tape it to my router |
| 14:33:10 | benmeyer | wasn't sure about the power usage though |
| 14:33:24 | ljp_work | hahahaha-> MS Exec: 'Our products just aren't engineered for security' |
| 14:33:26 | benmeyer | maybe a wake-on-lan type thing? |
| 14:34:25 | ljp_work | benmeyer: after fastolfe wrote fbvnc, he had his z locked in the server room |
| 14:36:11 | benmeyer | well I am thinking more for home use where power usage is more important |
| 14:37:31 | kergoth | VerxHome: 2.4.7-rmk3-np1 + embedix + jffs2 from 2.4.19 compiled, except for the IrDA stuff |
| 14:37:35 | chouimat|coffee | benmeyer: why not using your Z as a home router |
| 14:37:38 | ljp_work | hmm it should only be a few cents per month at most I would think |
| 14:37:48 | benmeyer | chouimat|coffee: already have a linksys |
| 14:37:53 | VerxHome | kergoth: I haven't ever seen a purpose for the IrDA stuff |
| 14:37:56 | VerxHome | so no biggie there |
| 14:37:57 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:38:03 | benmeyer | and the z doesn't have an easy way to get 2 net ports |
| 14:38:05 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe. i dont use it either, but its going to be a pain in the ass to merge |
| 14:38:13 | benmeyer | unless you are thinking serial and cf |
| 14:38:15 | VerxHome | why so? (just curious) |
| 14:38:15 | benmeyer | but that is ugly |
| 14:38:22 | ljp_work | kergoth: have you flashed that compiled kernel? |
| 14:38:35 | kergoth | VerxHome: changes from 2.4.6->2.4.7 that breaks the irda patches in embedix patch |
| 14:38:35 | bipolar | kergoth: woot! new kernel! yay! |
| 14:38:41 | kergoth | bipolar: dood, its only 2.4.7 |
| 14:38:42 | VerxHome | benmeyer: USB Master would have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO nice |
| 14:38:43 | kergoth | bipolar: hehe |
| 14:38:56 | kergoth | bipolar: the whole point of this is to get us a more recent jffs2 that wont fall on its face |
| 14:39:04 | bipolar | kergoth: but its NEW! thats something to w00t about. :) |
| 14:39:06 | ljp_work | didnt 2.4.6 have memory problems? |
| 14:39:22 | VerxHome | ljp: Yes, supposedly |
| 14:39:24 | kergoth | ljp_work: 2.4 sucked before the new VM in 2.4.10 |
| 14:39:33 | ljp_work | thats what I thought |
| 14:39:37 | bipolar | kergoth: and then you can go though all the versions one by one and we can all w00t over and over again! |
| 14:39:42 | kergoth | bipolar: hah |
| 14:39:47 | VerxHome | kergoth: Did you back port the VM from 2.4.10? |
| 14:39:50 | kergoth | bipolar: it'll be easier to just finish the work i'm doing on 2.5.latest |
| 14:39:50 | VerxHome | ducks and runs like a madman |
| 14:39:58 | bipolar | kergoth: heh |
| 14:40:02 | kergoth | shoots verx in the back |
| 14:40:06 | VerxHome | no! |
| 14:40:12 | VerxHome | I ran without my back toward you |
| 14:40:15 | VerxHome | yeah, yeah, that's it |
| 14:40:18 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:40:20 | VerxHome | so you couldn't have shot me in the back! |
| 14:40:21 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:40:33 | kergoth | pictures verx running away backwards |
| 14:40:40 | VerxHome | I ran away from you in a direction that didn't mean my back was to you |
| 14:40:43 | VerxHome | tries to picture it |
| 14:40:47 | VerxHome | fails. :) |
| 14:40:54 | ljp_work | he ran away in the 4th dimension |
| 14:40:55 | chouimat|coffee | VerxHome: hehe |
| 14:41:03 | kergoth | VerxHome: you wanna test this without the irda crap? |
| 14:41:07 | VerxHome | I WAS INVISIBLE! I WAS RUNNING IN THE 4th DIMENSION LIKE LJP SAID! |
| 14:41:11 | kergoth | VerxHome: worst case you just flash back to 2.4.6 if it breaks |
| 14:41:12 | VerxHome | That is why you couldn't see me |
| 14:41:24 | VerxHome | kergoth: Sure thing |
| 14:41:24 | VerxHome | damn |
| 14:41:26 | VerxHome | well |
| 14:41:30 | VerxHome | have you tried it kergoth? |
| 14:41:37 | VerxHome | I mean, you do have a Z, right? :) |
| 14:41:38 | kergoth | hehe. as soon as you get some stability i give you instability |
| 14:41:40 | kergoth | muahahaha |
| 14:41:46 | ljp_work | likes that verx is now kergoth's guinea pig |
| 14:41:56 | chouimat|coffee | VerxHome: kergoth just need to be trigger happy to shoot you |
| 14:41:57 | VerxHome | ljp: Why, were you his guinea pig before? |
| 14:42:14 | VerxHome | ljp: Or you just like to see my get nuked? :) |
| 14:42:32 | ljp_work | :D |
| 14:42:49 | ljp_work | now I'm Lineo's guinea pig |
| 14:43:29 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 14:43:33 | benmeyer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2051172386 |
| 14:43:35 | benmeyer | a nice router |
| 14:43:36 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 14:44:01 | VerxHome | benmeyer |
| 14:44:02 | VerxHome | um |
| 14:44:03 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 14:44:09 | benmeyer | ok maybe a bit overkill |
| 14:44:11 | ljp_work | they have a really nice software called 'Target Wizard' for their sdk |
| 14:44:14 | VerxHome | and only $100! |
| 14:44:17 | VerxHome | such a deal |
| 14:44:21 | benmeyer | indeed |
| 14:44:34 | chouimat|coffee | benmeyer: that will be a good replacement for my 486/33 router :) |
| 14:44:37 | benmeyer | na |
| 14:44:43 | ljp_work | you can build a whole image and deploy it with one click |
| 14:44:45 | benmeyer | I still have a 486/33 router also |
| 14:44:52 | ljp_work | once its setup |
| 14:44:56 | benmeyer | it is so old that it probably uses less power then my z |
| 14:45:12 | ljp_work | my firewall is a 133 |
| 14:45:32 | ljp_work | that if the power goes out for too long, to get the disk to spin, I have to tap hard on it |
| 14:45:36 | chouimat|coffee | benmeyer: curently using a P200MMX as firewall, need to update the 486 |
| 14:45:55 | benmeyer | 486's don't get updated, they have funerals |
| 14:46:06 | chouimat|coffee | benmeyer: just change an hd |
| 14:46:24 | benmeyer | The last update I had was adding 4MB of ram maxing it out. had to tape the ram in make it stay up it was that sad |
| 14:46:35 | ljp_work | hahaha |
| 14:46:51 | VerxHome | I have a friend for whom I installed linux on a 486 and got it setup as a gateway. He moved out of state, but still uses it. It is on kernel 2.0.9 I believe |
| 14:46:55 | VerxHome | it is many years old |
| 14:47:15 | benmeyer | yah, mine is at my parents house in MA. It just keeps running. |
| 14:47:17 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 14:47:23 | KallDrexx | What media player should i get for playing mp3's? |
| 14:47:26 | benmeyer | it is on 1.36 I think |
| 14:47:33 | VerxHome | he keeps telling me he knows it is dying because the hard disk stops turning, and it goes into read only access on the hard disk. He says he can still use it when it gets like that for about a week before he has to reboot it. |
| 14:47:42 | VerxHome | but he doesn't want a new one yet |
| 14:47:42 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:47:44 | benmeyer | hahaha |
| 14:47:53 | Novas007 | hmm.. where do i put a shutdown script for hotplug? |
| 14:48:06 | Novas007 | er, a disconnect script, i mean |
| 14:48:18 | KallDrexx | ljp_work wait a second. symlinks explain why I can't install ipkgs to my cf but why can't i do it to mtdram? |
| 14:48:32 | ljp_work | not enough room? |
| 14:48:46 | KallDrexx | it has nothing on it, 6mb free |
| 14:49:07 | benmeyer | yah, I have thought about moving to a router on a floppy to solve that problem, but it only takes 51/4 floppies and all of mine have gone bad, so I figure when it dies it will get a proper funeral and I will get a nice replacment for it. Probably get a linksys for my parents and setup my dual ppro box for mail localy |
| 14:49:14 | ljp_work | well, /tmp also needs that amount of space |
| 14:49:48 | KallDrexx | wy? |
| 14:50:05 | ljp_work | cause ipkg unpacks them there |
| 14:50:07 | KallDrexx | why |
| 14:50:08 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 14:50:11 | KallDrexx | but |
| 14:50:17 | KallDrexx | they are installed to RAM anyway |
| 14:50:23 | KallDrexx | to root |
| 14:50:31 | KallDrexx | so obviously it has enough space |
| 14:50:43 | benmeyer | My parents got a call from the RoadRunner tech center telling them to please reboot the machine because it was still using the dns that they had mograted the rest of the city off a few years before. It was an amusing one to explain |
| 14:50:56 | ljp_work | it needs 2x the space the installed files actually take |
| 14:51:22 | KallDrexx | ljp_work only if your not installing it to root? |
| 14:51:57 | ljp_work | ipkg unpackas all the files to /tmp, and then tries to move or copy them.. I'mnot sure which |
| 14:51:59 | VerxHome | benmeyer: My dual PPro lost the voltage regulator on the second CPU |
| 14:52:14 | VerxHome | benmeyer: So it is fairly irritating. Two cpus and only one works |
| 14:52:28 | benmeyer | goto ebay $35 is how much I got mine for |
| 14:52:30 | ljp_work | so if /tmp is not big enough, it doesnt matter where its going |
| 14:52:32 | KallDrexx | hmm but if it copies them then it would only fill up all the space on the / |
| 14:52:38 | VerxHome | benmeyer: For a MB? |
| 14:52:40 | KallDrexx | yeah but it still installs to / |
| 14:52:41 | VerxHome | or a whole system? |
| 14:52:43 | benmeyer | got the box for free with only 1 cpu, $35 later I had a new cpu |
| 14:52:56 | VerxHome | oh, I have two fully functional cpus |
| 14:52:57 | VerxHome | and my MB is fine |
| 14:53:05 | benmeyer | For MB it is even cheaper, just go to a computer show |
| 14:53:06 | VerxHome | it is the daughterboard that has a bad voltage regulator on it |
| 14:53:08 | benmeyer | and pick up a used one |
| 14:53:09 | VerxHome | for the second cpu |
| 14:53:31 | ljp_work | well.. bbl |
| 14:55:41 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 14:56:02 | tux_mike | hi Ha* |
| 14:56:12 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Just FYI, the CF Load bug hasn't been fixed |
| 14:56:18 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Merely transformed |
| 14:56:29 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Into another bug |
| 14:57:09 | imm | hi *kin |
| 14:57:13 | Harlekin | aha |
| 14:57:50 | imm | aha ? |
| 14:59:07 | Harlekin | imm: i ment verx |
| 15:00:05 | imm | aha |
| 15:00:09 | VerxHome | Harlekin: The cards that previously had the load problem after resume |
| 15:00:21 | Harlekin | and not it is? |
| 15:00:23 | Harlekin | now |
| 15:00:27 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Now cause an eject/re-insert of both CF and SD upon resume |
| 15:00:52 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Which means that anything that had a file locked on CF or SD is killed |
| 15:01:28 | Harlekin | hmm, talk to kergoth about hotplug |
| 15:01:33 | VerxHome | heh |
| 15:01:34 | VerxHome | I have |
| 15:01:46 | VerxHome | the poor guy pulled his hair out all day yesterday |
| 15:01:48 | kergoth | has no idea. neither cf or sd use hotplug |
| 15:01:54 | VerxHome | I am thinking he must be bald by now |
| 15:01:56 | kergoth | they're cardmgr and sdmgr |
| 15:03:17 | Harlekin | moin Cloudchaser |
| 15:03:19 | kergoth | hey Cloud |
| 15:03:30 | Harlekin | kergoth: so any news? |
| 15:03:37 | Harlekin | kergoth: opie fault? |
| 15:03:42 | Cloudchaser | hiya :) |
| 15:03:49 | Cloudchaser | had a cable outage here.. oh the pain of it! |
| 15:04:09 | VerxHome | Harlekin: I think he named you specifically |
| 15:04:11 | VerxHome | as the fault |
| 15:04:13 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 15:04:13 | VerxHome | :) |
| 15:04:34 | Harlekin | kergoth: so what is the fault |
| 15:04:43 | VerxHome | Harlekin: I do think it is an extremely touchy interaction between familiar/kernel/opie |
| 15:04:57 | VerxHome | Harlekin: I am trying to track it down more specifically |
| 15:05:16 | VerxHome | but it appears that SOMETHING is deciding that things are going south at resume time |
| 15:05:36 | VerxHome | I think it may possibly be in card manager or the kernel |
| 15:05:37 | VerxHome | I don't know for certain yet |
| 15:05:44 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser ya |
| 15:05:54 | VerxHome | Harlekin: The important thing is |
| 15:06:21 | VerxHome | Harlekin: For some CF cards (be they memory or wireless or whatever), the resume process becomes fairly harsh |
| 15:06:33 | Harlekin | so and where is that my fault |
| 15:06:37 | Harlekin | also since its zaurus only |
| 15:06:51 | VerxHome | Harlekin: I was 100% joking about it being specifically your fault |
| 15:06:52 | VerxHome | was a joke man |
| 15:06:53 | VerxHome | :) |
| 15:06:56 | VerxHome | smile and laugh |
| 15:06:57 | VerxHome | :) |
| 15:07:48 | Cloudchaser | hiya max |
| 15:07:56 | VerxHome | hello max |
| 15:08:00 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 15:08:01 | VerxHome | it still hasn't come in |
| 15:08:17 | msmax | hi |
| 15:08:40 | msmax | VerxHome: see my private messages |
| 15:08:44 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 15:08:45 | VerxHome | trying it now |
| 15:08:49 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing today max? |
| 15:08:55 | KallDrexx | if I get a 64mb SD i can have it act as RAM right? |
| 15:09:19 | VerxHome | KallDrexx: Nope |
| 15:09:22 | VerxHome | it can act as storage |
| 15:09:25 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 15:09:25 | VerxHome | big difference |
| 15:09:28 | KallDrexx | i heard otherwise |
| 15:09:40 | VerxHome | I believe you heard wrong then. . . |
| 15:09:48 | VerxHome | who told you otherwise? |
| 15:09:59 | msmax | Cloudchaser: thanks, good, your icq offline again ;) |
| 15:10:05 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: is it ipkg.conf you edit to remove the entries so you can install to mtdram after having tried to install to sd card? |
| 15:10:13 | Cloudchaser | max, i had cable outage |
| 15:10:16 | Cloudchaser | should be back on now |
| 15:10:19 | KallDrexx | VerxHome not someone from this channel.. guess I should just listen to people here :) |
| 15:14:31 | agupta | hi |
| 15:17:44 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i'm not certain where ipkg caches the information |
| 15:18:26 | sjohnson | /usr/lib/ipkg/lists |
| 15:19:09 | agupta | kergoth opie won't compile - timepickerbase error |
| 15:19:14 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: kalldrexx was having the problem that he tries to install to mtdram and it installs to cf and fails |
| 15:19:21 | Cloudchaser | even though he told it to go to mtdram |
| 15:19:32 | Cloudchaser | i don't hve the instructions you gave me on this pc |
| 15:19:32 | kergoth | agupta: rerun ./configure after doing a make, then do a make again |
| 15:19:39 | agupta | kergoth eh? ok.. |
| 15:19:41 | agupta | why? |
| 15:19:45 | Cloudchaser | and i couldn't remember what you told me to do |
| 15:19:56 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: knonw behavior. if you try to install it to one dest, then try another, it'll continue to install to the first, and i dont know whbat the resolution is |
| 15:20:02 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i'm not sure wher the ifnormation is cached |
| 15:20:23 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser: didn't know you had ICQ |
| 15:20:23 | kergoth | agupta: timepickerbase is a UI file, the .h doesnt get generated until after 'make', but its ./configure that copies .h files into include/opie/ |
| 15:20:36 | kergoth | agupta: so it doesn t get copied into place until you ./confgiure *again* after starting the build |
| 15:20:37 | Cloudchaser | yep sure do W|GGL|T |
| 15:20:39 | kergoth | agupta: lame |
| 15:20:39 | kergoth | agupta: hehe |
| 15:20:48 | W|GGL|T | is 3765104 |
| 15:20:58 | agupta | kergoth wtf? so i have to do that in the mk also? |
| 15:21:10 | agupta | hmm ok |
| 15:21:11 | agupta | off to class |
| 15:21:23 | kergoth | agupta: eaiser solution, ./configure, cp libopie/timepickerbase.h include/opie/; make; |
| 15:21:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:21:28 | kergoth | blah, damnit |
| 15:23:38 | KGBudz | how do i change the port my ftpd runs on |
| 15:23:47 | Cloudchaser | so kergoth, that isnt the fix for the problem then? |
| 15:24:44 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i dont know the fix |
| 15:24:54 | kergoth | KGBudz:the one on 4242? |
| 15:25:05 | Cloudchaser | oh, i thought you told it to me..sorry bout that |
| 15:25:14 | kergoth | np |
| 15:25:41 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 15:25:47 | KGBudz | no, the troll ftp client |
| 15:25:49 | VerxHome | any idea why oipkg might not run? |
| 15:25:55 | VerxHome | I tap it and it never comes up |
| 15:25:59 | VerxHome | ps shows it isn't in the list |
| 15:26:00 | sjohnson | Cloudchaser: To totally remove removed packages, Edit the /ust/lib/ipkg/status files. |
| 15:26:12 | Cloudchaser | ah that's it! |
| 15:26:15 | Cloudchaser | the status file |
| 15:26:17 | Cloudchaser | thanks ;) |
| 15:26:26 | Cloudchaser | its not for me.. i was trying to help kalldrexx |
| 15:26:28 | sjohnson | Cloudchaser: NP |
| 15:26:30 | Cloudchaser | i'll tell him later |
| 15:26:40 | KGBudz | i can connect to my z with trollftpd, but like it cant make the connection properly and i cant see any files, so im thinking its a port conflict with my router... |
| 15:27:04 | VerxHome | bleh |
| 15:27:07 | VerxHome | reboots his Z |
| 15:27:11 | Cloudchaser | that should let him install the ipkg to his mtdram again |
| 15:27:19 | VerxHome | can't install software without oipkg |
| 15:27:35 | asterick | Do you guys think it would be considered animal cruelty to make a hamster cage case mod? As in, making it so there are hamster tubes through out the open space of my case, and have a live hamster running through it. |
| 15:27:35 | KGBudz | and i tried passive mode, that didnt fix it |
| 15:27:58 | KGBudz | notifies PET |
| 15:28:02 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 15:29:14 | | Sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 22 hours, 58 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: brb [Wed Sep 4 17:30:47 2002] |
| 15:29:14 | imm | ibot seen Sniper |
| 15:29:19 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:29:33 | imm | benmeyer: thats not funny ! |
| 15:29:52 | benmeyer | asterick: I have a freind who has 7 ferits and they simply have tubs running all across the celings everywhere and so you can watch them running everything |
| 15:30:26 | VerxHome | ok |
| 15:30:31 | VerxHome | oipkg is segfaulting |
| 15:31:48 | VerxHome | ok |
| 15:31:52 | VerxHome | uninstalled/reinstalled |
| 15:31:55 | VerxHome | much better now |
| 15:32:47 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:33:19 | Olegs | hello people |
| 15:33:39 | Olegs | A question about zaurus feed @opie.handhelds.org |
| 15:34:14 | asterick | ben: why are the ferrets in cages? I mean, they make good normal house pets. |
| 15:34:16 | Olegs | how to install system packages like ipkg_20020812_arm.ipk ? |
| 15:34:23 | Olegs | I have open zaurus. |
| 15:34:28 | Olegs | OZ |
| 15:34:48 | kergoth | um |
| 15:34:49 | kergoth | dood |
| 15:34:56 | kergoth | opie.handhelds.org feed is an old ipaq feed |
| 15:35:04 | kergoth | you shoujld use the feed on openzaurus.sf.net |
| 15:36:30 | Olegs | ok |
| 15:36:38 | Olegs | the question, however, remains |
| 15:36:40 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 15:36:40 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed |
| 15:36:42 | kergoth | how? |
| 15:36:45 | kergoth | 'ipkg install ipkg' |
| 15:36:48 | kergoth | tada |
| 15:36:58 | Olegs | bum-bum |
| 15:37:04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:37:15 | Olegs | will it replace old files in the same place? |
| 15:37:25 | kergoth | it'll upgrade the packages if they're already installed. |
| 15:37:33 | kergoth | just tap on the new packages in oipkg and install them |
| 15:37:52 | Olegs | the first package I'm going to update is ipkg :) |
| 15:37:58 | kergoth | excellent idea. |
| 15:38:19 | Olegs | is there a description? |
| 15:38:22 | Olegs | for the packages? |
| 15:38:26 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:38:29 | kergoth | depends on the package |
| 15:38:34 | kergoth | description is a per package thing |
| 15:38:41 | kergoth | most of them i havent had time to add descriptions |
| 15:38:46 | Olegs | may be an index page |
| 15:39:08 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ in your browser is a pretty effective package list |
| 15:39:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:40:12 | Olegs | ahh |
| 15:40:37 | benmeyer | kergoth: is that backup app good? |
| 15:40:43 | Olegs | socket error WSACONNECTREFUSED |
| 15:40:52 | Olegs | oh... port |
| 15:40:58 | tux_mike | Searched the web for gcc -march. Results 1 - 10 of about 1,030,000. Search took 0.52 seconds. |
| 15:40:58 | tux_mike | |
| 15:40:58 | tux_mike | News: GCC urge end to US war talk (Gulf News - 0:04 4 Sep 2002) |
| 15:40:58 | tux_mike | |
| 15:41:01 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 15:41:31 | tux_mike | i didn't know a compiler could urge the US to end the ideas of war :) |
| 15:42:02 | Olegs | which version? |
| 15:42:14 | tux_mike | not sure. |
| 15:42:29 | Olegs | I think it depends on platform on which the compiler runs :) |
| 15:43:42 | Olegs | kergoth: should I install openzaurus_3.0_arm.ipk as well? |
| 15:44:01 | kergoth | you already have it |
| 15:44:18 | kergoth | doesnt matter though, thats just a virtual package, with no real content |
| 15:45:08 | tux_mike | flicks off the windows XP setup |
| 15:46:11 | benmeyer | haha nothing like getting this when logging in on your friends network: The fiber channel array is partially broke. Stay tuned |
| 15:46:20 | Olegs | and is opie-oipkg_0.9.1 ... ipk different from ipkg_20020827_arm.ipk ? |
| 15:46:31 | kergoth | Olegs: they're completely different. |
| 15:46:39 | kergoth | Olegs: oipkg is the GUI package installer |
| 15:46:45 | asterick | Man, sucks to live in greece: http://www.msnbc.com/news/802893.asp?0dm=C14LT&cp1=1 |
| 15:46:45 | kergoth | Olegs: ipkg is the command line installer which oipkg uses |
| 15:46:45 | tux_mike | hrm... there's no crusoe optomizations in GCC? |
| 15:47:13 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 15:47:14 | kergoth | okay |
| 15:47:18 | Olegs | kergoth: so I have to install both of them |
| 15:47:21 | Olegs | ? |
| 15:47:24 | kergoth | never do dd if=/mnt/cf/zImage-4d of=/dev/mtd3 |
| 15:47:41 | kergoth | sticks to using the cf updater to update kernel |
| 15:47:48 | kergoth | Olegs: do you wanmt a GUI or not? |
| 15:48:08 | Olegs | yes |
| 15:48:09 | kergoth | and you're not "installing" them, you alreayd *have* them. you're just upgrading them to the latest versions |
| 15:48:11 | Olegs | I do |
| 15:48:15 | kergoth | so install them then |
| 15:48:32 | Olegs | that's what I meant :-) thanks kergoth |
| 15:49:12 | kergoth | np |
| 15:49:24 | Speedy2 | re |
| 15:49:29 | tux_mike | hey speedy |
| 15:49:43 | Olegs | hi |
| 15:50:01 | tux_mike | speedy: do you, by any chance, know if there's a way to use gcc to optimize for crusoe? |
| 15:50:19 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: It pretends to be an x86 processor. I doubt there is much you can do. |
| 15:50:59 | Olegs | Torvalds works for Transmeta. Try to ask him. |
| 15:51:47 | tux_mike | i think you may only do i686 opt. |
| 15:51:55 | Speedy2 | Does he IRC ? |
| 15:52:09 | KGBudz | yup, hes on efnet |
| 15:52:12 | Speedy2 | Frankly, if you could compile code for the underlying VLIW machine, I bet your shit would really fly. |
| 15:52:15 | tux_mike | i doubt it. even then, i wouldn't want my stupid question to bug him :) |
| 15:52:50 | tux_mike | anyway, time for lunch |
| 15:53:02 | bewmIES | tux: Look at arch/i386/Makefile in kernel |
| 15:53:07 | bewmIES | ifdef CONFIG_MCRUSOE |
| 15:53:07 | bewmIES | CFLAGS += -march=i686 -malign-functions=0 -malign-jumps=0 -malign-loops=0 |
| 15:53:07 | bewmIES | endif |
| 15:54:08 | bewmIES | I actually like -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 for x86 building |
| 15:54:44 | VerxHome | wow |
| 15:54:53 | VerxHome | Jamey and Andrew are MUCH older than I had guessed |
| 15:56:06 | VerxHome | Andrew Christian: http://www.crl.hpl.hp.com/who/people/andyc/mugshot.gif |
| 15:56:35 | Speedy2 | What a sick URL |
| 15:56:37 | Speedy2 | F'ing HP |
| 15:56:52 | VerxHome | http://www.crl.hpl.hp.com/who/people/jamey/jameyhicks.png |
| 15:56:58 | Speedy2 | Hey Verx, what's up? |
| 15:57:00 | VerxHome | that is (obviously) jameyhicks |
| 15:57:04 | Speedy2 | Why are you home? Shouldn't you be at work? |
| 15:57:12 | VerxHome | I am sick today and yesterday |
| 15:57:20 | VerxHome | if you could hear my voice you would know why I am home |
| 15:57:36 | Speedy2 | Maybe you just need to overclock your throat. |
| 15:59:12 | Speedy2 | ...ok... |
| 15:59:28 | VerxHome | heh |
| 16:00:13 | Speedy2 | Did you get an HP emulator for your iPaq ? |
| 16:00:33 | VerxHome | nope |
| 16:00:36 | VerxHome | is there one? |
| 16:00:40 | Speedy2 | uhh |
| 16:00:43 | VerxHome | I don't run X on my ipaq |
| 16:00:45 | Speedy2 | I pointed one out to you the other day |
| 16:00:46 | VerxHome | if that is what you mean |
| 16:00:48 | Speedy2 | Well, it was for WINCE |
| 16:00:52 | VerxHome | oh, right |
| 16:00:56 | VerxHome | I don't run wince on it either |
| 16:00:57 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:01:01 | treke | VerxHome: use vncserver :) |
| 16:01:03 | VerxHome | wow |
| 16:01:11 | VerxHome | this is the principle director of hp's crl labs |
| 16:01:15 | VerxHome | http://www.crl.hpl.hp.com/who/people/gettys/Gettys.JPG |
| 16:01:19 | VerxHome | I think he is drunk |
| 16:01:29 | Speedy2 | Jim Gettys |
| 16:01:36 | VerxHome | yup |
| 16:01:50 | VerxHome | he needs to learn a bit about the web |
| 16:01:51 | Speedy2 | What an f'ing large picture of someone's face |
| 16:01:51 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:01:53 | Speedy2 | hehehe |
| 16:01:56 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 16:02:28 | Speedy2 | We need to get him those 70's era thick black glasses |
| 16:02:28 | Speedy2 | (My dad used to wear those) |
| 16:02:33 | VerxHome | This is a research system engineer |
| 16:02:36 | Speedy2 | He'll be stylin' with those |
| 16:02:37 | VerxHome | who is also drunk: |
| 16:02:39 | Speedy2 | I know him :) |
| 16:02:43 | VerxHome | http://www.crl.hpl.hp.com/who/people/kuris/Kurismugshot.JPG |
| 16:03:01 | VerxHome | or he has a lazy eye |
| 16:03:02 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:03:02 | treke | VerxHome: its from all those X users buying him beers :) |
| 16:03:07 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 16:03:09 | VerxHome | yeah treke |
| 16:03:34 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer are you here? |
| 16:03:40 | Speedy2 | His lips are really red |
| 16:03:46 | Speedy2 | Maybe he's been kissing lots of women |
| 16:03:53 | Olegs | bye people |
| 16:05:28 | Cloudchaser | i just read a reply on zaurus general from benmeyer to someone who asked if sharp couldn't just make a rom with the nice features that the 300 has |
| 16:05:48 | chayim | Cloudchaser : url please. |
| 16:06:00 | Cloudchaser | its in zaurus general |
| 16:06:06 | chayim | Cloudchaser : sooo lazy! |
| 16:06:14 | Cloudchaser | me? |
| 16:06:20 | chayim | Cloudchaser : no me =) |
| 16:06:20 | Cloudchaser | i can't link to it |
| 16:06:25 | treke | Cloudchaser: I think thats his way of saying it wouldnt happen :) |
| 16:06:32 | Cloudchaser | i have it in newsgroup |
| 16:06:33 | numatrix | chayim: it's an email list. chayim: http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/zaurus-general |
| 16:06:39 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 16:06:43 | benmeyer | Cloudchaser? |
| 16:06:45 | Cloudchaser | hehe i didn't know that |
| 16:06:48 | Cloudchaser | oh ben! |
| 16:06:57 | benmeyer | hi |
| 16:06:59 | Cloudchaser | your reply kind of baffled me a bit |
| 16:07:11 | Cloudchaser | If Sharp fixed any of the ui errors or changed the ui in any way then the |
| 16:07:11 | Cloudchaser | Documentation would be wrong. Ponder that over coffee. |
| 16:07:20 | benmeyer | yes |
| 16:07:42 | benmeyer | what baffled you |
| 16:07:42 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:08:23 | Cloudchaser | you work for sharp, yes? |
| 16:08:31 | benmeyer | yes |
| 16:08:39 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:35:52) |
| 16:08:39 | ljp_work | its baffling that sharp may not fix things due to documents |
| 16:08:40 | fusion94 | well |
| 16:08:48 | benmeyer | well they wont change the ui |
| 16:08:54 | bewmIES | They're alternate identies |
| 16:08:57 | bewmIES | err, ww |
| 16:08:59 | fusion94 | sharp pays benmeyer, dunno if he actually "works" for it though |
| 16:09:10 | benmeyer | The documents tab wont ever turn into an explorer officially by sharp |
| 16:09:12 | Cloudchaser | well why wouldn't they? |
| 16:09:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:09:19 | benmeyer | maybe in the next product, but not the 5000 or 5500 |
| 16:09:40 | kergoth | VerxHome: i just booted 2.4.7 |
| 16:09:42 | benmeyer | fusion94:har har, I work my butt off on too many stupid things |
| 16:09:44 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth! |
| 16:09:48 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 16:09:50 | Cloudchaser | well honestly...if peoples needs get ignored, why on earth would they buy another model? |
| 16:09:51 | VerxHome | kergoth: Did it nuke your Z? :) |
| 16:09:53 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 16:09:53 | ljp_work | probably cause sharp isnt working on the z anymore ;) |
| 16:10:01 | fusion94 | benmeyer: :P |
| 16:10:02 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Ok, I'm working on some fixed-point stuff |
| 16:10:02 | benmeyer | they are |
| 16:10:02 | kergoth | VerxHome: nah, it hasnt exploded yet, but we'll see ;-) |
| 16:10:12 | VerxHome | kergoth: I am still waiting for mine to explode |
| 16:10:20 | benmeyer | they are working on the z, there are future products etc etc. |
| 16:10:30 | bewmIES | Because once you stamp a version on something (5000, or 5500 for example) you don't make drastic changes. |
| 16:10:37 | benmeyer | just that they arn't going to make major changes in the current roms |
| 16:10:41 | Cloudchaser | but that's crazy |
| 16:10:42 | bewmIES | You make drastic changes in later versions. |
| 16:10:43 | benmeyer | exactly |
| 16:10:57 | bewmIES | That's the way it is, you're free to change what you want but it's called "sane development" :) |
| 16:10:58 | benmeyer | I don't make the polocies |
| 16:11:00 | Cloudchaser | thats liek having to buy new hard ware to get software upgrades |
| 16:11:13 | benmeyer | apple does it |
| 16:11:15 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:11:27 | Cloudchaser | so that makes it right? |
| 16:11:29 | bewmIES | And they spend massive amounts of money on documentation and most users are stupid and rely on it, so not making chages because it will invalidate documentation is a perfectly valid one. |
| 16:11:35 | ljp_work | thats why sharps only hope is the Opie project |
| 16:12:09 | Cloudchaser | well there will be other linux handhelds i'm sure |
| 16:12:15 | benmeyer | plenty |
| 16:12:23 | benmeyer | once the nda's lift.... |
| 16:12:29 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: trolltech is saying there is something coming SOON which will blow the Z away |
| 16:12:30 | bewmIES | You have the freedom of choice, feel free to use it. :) |
| 16:12:36 | Cloudchaser | i guess i just don't understand it |
| 16:12:38 | VerxHome | they are saying it will completely steal the market from the 5500 |
| 16:12:45 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: A theif. |
| 16:12:46 | VerxHome | my hope is that it is the SL-5600 |
| 16:12:47 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:12:48 | benmeyer | VerxHome: hmmm oh really? What was it called? |
| 16:12:54 | VerxHome | benmeyer: They wouldn't say |
| 16:13:01 | benmeyer | I doubt it |
| 16:13:02 | bewmIES | I hate to say it but the Sl-5500 doesn't seem to have a very big market as-is |
| 16:13:03 | VerxHome | just were VERY clear it was gonna thwack the 5500 |
| 16:13:04 | Speedy2 | PXA250 has a lot of issues, I doubt that it would be the 5600. |
| 16:13:05 | bewmIES | So there isn't much to steal :) |
| 16:13:08 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 16:13:21 | benmeyer | I know all of the venders and yes they all have next gen products, but non of them are blow away status |
| 16:13:39 | numatrix | VerxHome: yeah, are they referring to a sharp device or otherwise? |
| 16:13:42 | Speedy2 | benmeyer: What if they ship them with a free lap dance coupon? That would be blow away. |
| 16:14:01 | numatrix | benmeyer: Right; and, how many of them are close to production. If it's going to blow it away in a year and a half I'm not at all impressed. |
| 16:14:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: it works. |
| 16:14:13 | benmeyer | TrollTech was simply trying to butter their product. |
| 16:14:16 | numatrix | kergoth: New kernel? |
| 16:14:21 | kergoth | numatrix: not very |
| 16:14:24 | kergoth | numatrix: just 2.4.7 |
| 16:14:29 | treke | Cloudchaser: There may be people who like the existing documents tab, would forcing them to change be a good thing? |
| 16:14:33 | numatrix | Better than nothing, I suppose... :-) |
| 16:14:36 | VerxHome | benmeyer: Well, perhaps they haven't a clue, I dunno |
| 16:14:36 | VerxHome | benmeyer: They were saying it would take enough of the market to mean it was an equal to palm/wince |
| 16:14:40 | benmeyer | treke: name 1 person |
| 16:14:41 | kergoth | numatrix: cause i was able to easily merge in the jffs2 code from 2.4.19, which means its ffar more stable |
| 16:14:45 | Cloudchaser | don't have to force them |
| 16:14:48 | Cloudchaser | give them an option |
| 16:14:52 | benmeyer | treke: name 1 develop who actully even knows how to use it properly |
| 16:15:10 | numatrix | VerxHome: Sounds like an interesting rumor, but I'll believe it when I see it. :-) |
| 16:15:21 | | ljp is currently an earthling from the planet Mergatroid |
| 16:15:21 | benmeyer | ibot ljp |
| 16:15:21 | treke | benmeyer: I dont see why its all that hard to use :) |
| 16:15:28 | | benmeyer: i'm not following you... |
| 16:15:28 | benmeyer | ibot ljp_work |
| 16:15:42 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:15:49 | treke | benmeyer: Trolltech gives you all the necesarry tools :) |
| 16:15:51 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 16:15:51 | benmeyer | ibot info ljp |
| 16:15:57 | benmeyer | treke: what tools |
| 16:16:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: ready to play? ;-) |
| 16:16:08 | benmeyer | treke: Sharp isn't actually a partner with TrollTech |
| 16:16:12 | VerxHome | kergoth: Sure, I already have 12 irons in the fire |
| 16:16:15 | VerxHome | why not add the 13th? |
| 16:16:16 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:16:16 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:16:17 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 16:16:18 | akk | Just adding some way in the Document tab to get more information -- to find out which of the 30 index.html files is the one I want -- would be a huge improvement. |
| 16:16:21 | benmeyer | we are a partner with Lineo, which is a partner with TrollTech |
| 16:16:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: hey i know you want 2.4.19's jffs2.... |
| 16:16:31 | treke | benmeyer: the DocLnk, Applnk, FileSelector classes |
| 16:16:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: ;-) |
| 16:16:40 | VerxHome | true, true |
| 16:17:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: this kernel is showing kernel messages, whic hmean a few stomp on the opie display |
| 16:17:03 | VerxHome | benmeyer: I don't think they were trying to butter their products |
| 16:17:10 | kergoth | VerxHome: want me to clean it up, or do you want the messages? |
| 16:17:20 | VerxHome | benmeyer: The reason is, they are making decisions that clearly show they believe that this is gonna be true |
| 16:17:22 | ljp_work | so sharp is as much of a partner with Trolltech as I am :) |
| 16:17:36 | benmeyer | yes, but not overnight that is all I am say |
| 16:17:37 | VerxHome | kergoth: If it is working, I want one without kernel messages |
| 16:17:37 | benmeyer | ing |
| 16:17:47 | kergoth | k |
| 16:17:55 | VerxHome | benmeyer: That much is true |
| 16:17:59 | VerxHome | I just wish I knew what it was. |
| 16:18:08 | VerxHome | benmeyer: You don't think the 5600 will blow away the 5500? |
| 16:18:14 | Cloudchaser | i guess the problem with that is the capability is there but i'll be forced to buy another hardware unit if i want it |
| 16:18:20 | benmeyer | I am not allowed to comment on that yet |
| 16:18:27 | benmeyer | not until it is publicly anounced |
| 16:18:29 | Cloudchaser | when the capabilties are there right now |
| 16:18:38 | VerxHome | benmeyer ok, I understand |
| 16:18:46 | VerxHome | but you sortof already did |
| 16:19:04 | benmeyer | oh? |
| 16:19:06 | VerxHome | <benmeyer> I know all of the venders and yes they all have next gen |
| 16:19:06 | VerxHome | products, but non of them are blow away status |
| 16:19:18 | benmeyer | ok :-D |
| 16:19:21 | VerxHome | heh |
| 16:19:22 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:19:27 | VerxHome | doesn't inquire further |
| 16:19:34 | VerxHome | doesn't want benmeyer in ANY trouble at all |
| 16:20:04 | VerxHome | can anyone tell me how to get visual studio to debug a .exe file? |
| 16:20:08 | VerxHome | or do you need source to do that? |
| 16:20:44 | benmeyer | can't you just open it in the debuger? |
| 16:20:52 | benmeyer | like gdb |
| 16:21:01 | VerxHome | ok, there it is I think |
| 16:21:04 | VerxHome | attach to process |
| 16:21:06 | VerxHome | tries it |
| 16:21:48 | MSpin | you won't get source level debugging with out the source tho |
| 16:22:30 | VerxHome | right |
| 16:22:33 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 15:39:49) |
| 16:23:08 | ljp_work | its better with source |
| 16:23:29 | ljp_work | wishes gdb was half the debugger that vc++ is |
| 16:23:54 | Speedy2 | Neo|Work: Hey, you do a lot of fixed-point stuff, right? |
| 16:25:46 | | okay, ljp_work. |
| 16:25:46 | ljp_work | ibot: ljp is also http://llornkcor.com |
| 16:26:50 | | you are mailto:chayim@gnupower.net |
| 16:26:50 | chayim | ibot chayim |
| 16:28:06 | treke | wonders is QT could be sped up with any fixed-point optization |
| 16:28:27 | Speedy2 | I bet it so |
| 16:29:24 | Speedy2 | Neo|Work: Are you alive? |
| 16:31:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: okay its building you a more silent kernel. I'll let you know when its done and ready for testing. |
| 16:32:21 | Neo|Work | Speedy2: yes, I'm here |
| 16:32:27 | Neo|Work | and yes I've done some fixed point stuff |
| 16:32:47 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: Man, I find gdb to be a lot better than the vc++ debugger.. |
| 16:33:08 | kergoth | someday i'll get around to learning gdb properly |
| 16:33:17 | kergoth | 'bt' and 'run' are about the extent of my knowledge |
| 16:33:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:33:28 | Speedy2 | Neo|Work: Did you ever write a divide routine or do anything of the sort? |
| 16:33:31 | Neo|Work | tjere |
| 16:33:46 | Neo|Work | kergoth: there's decent guis to gdb |
| 16:33:56 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yeah, ddd works pretty well |
| 16:34:00 | Neo|Work | Speedy2: I have a 'fixed' class that you use instead of float |
| 16:34:05 | Speedy2 | Neo|Work: Could you send? |
| 16:34:11 | Neo|Work | yes I could |
| 16:34:22 | Speedy2 | Neo|Work: Would you send? |
| 16:36:07 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/fixed.hpp |
| 16:37:13 | Neo|Work | it has some methods like pow and some atan stuff that's decent but which you probably don't need |
| 16:37:46 | Speedy2 | Neo: Thanks a lot. |
| 16:37:55 | kergoth | ahahhaah |
| 16:38:00 | Speedy2 | I'll be doing a 3.13 format |
| 16:38:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: ??? |
| 16:38:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: 2.4.7 just kernel panic'd |
| 16:38:23 | tux_mike | .7? |
| 16:38:32 | VerxHome | eek |
| 16:38:38 | VerxHome | kergoth: Any indication of why? |
| 16:38:40 | kergoth | VerxHome: the prissm2 hostpa drivers |
| 16:38:45 | kergoth | VerxHome: bad buffer alignment |
| 16:38:57 | VerxHome | oh, the 2.4.6->2.4.7 module issue? |
| 16:39:02 | kergoth | nope |
| 16:39:05 | VerxHome | oh |
| 16:39:05 | tux_mike | oops :) |
| 16:39:10 | kergoth | i built prism2 drivers against 2.4.7 as they should |
| 16:39:15 | kergoth | but they didnt like me much |
| 16:39:15 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 16:39:20 | VerxHome | darned drivers |
| 16:39:25 | VerxHome | smacks them for kergoth |
| 16:39:30 | VerxHome | smacks them again for himself |
| 16:39:34 | tux_mike | kerg: are you going to .7 for the z? |
| 16:39:57 | kergoth | tux_mike: primarily just to get us the 2.4.19 jffs2 drivers, because they depended on something that got added in 2.4.7 |
| 16:40:12 | tux_mike | ah ha |
| 16:40:28 | kergoth | I figured going from 2.4.6->2.4.7 would be painless |
| 16:40:31 | kergoth | which is was, actually |
| 16:40:36 | Neo|Work | how does the sd drivers work with various kernel versions? |
| 16:40:37 | kergoth | minus this buffer alignment problem with prism2 |
| 16:40:41 | tux_mike | :) |
| 16:40:51 | kergoth | Neo|Work: currently the kernel ABI probably hasnt changed enough to break the binary module |
| 16:40:57 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i just forced it in with -f |
| 16:41:55 | kergoth | hrm |
| 16:42:03 | kergoth | checks for compile warnings and errors as clues |
| 16:42:57 | tux_mike | why not switch to .19? |
| 16:43:28 | kergoth | tux_mike: a *lot* more api changes |
| 16:43:32 | kergoth | tux_mike: far far far more work |
| 16:43:40 | kergoth | tux_mike: and i'm rewriting some of the drivers while i'm at it |
| 16:43:44 | Neo|Work | plus it might break the SD drivers. :) |
| 16:43:54 | kergoth | tux_mike: this move to 2.4.7 was just to get us newer more stable jffs2 |
| 16:44:01 | tux_mike | yah. |
| 16:44:01 | kergoth | Neo|Work: well tim riker will build us a new binary module for 2.4.19 |
| 16:44:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: if you're feeling ambitious, http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ |
| 16:44:32 | Neo|Work | kergoth: that's handy. :P |
| 16:45:21 | Neo|Work | hrm. I wonder.. I think I'm starting to get support request from ppl that doesn't install the eon-lib* libraries |
| 16:45:34 | Neo|Work | perhaps I can make my script look for them and throw up an error message is missing |
| 16:45:59 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 16:46:37 | Neo|Work | or remove the individual downloads from the feed since certain ipkg versions don't do dependencies correctly (grr) |
| 16:47:15 | tux_mike | neo: just reply with "YOO SO STOOPEED!" |
| 16:47:17 | tux_mike | :) |
| 16:47:22 | | usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/ |
| 16:47:22 | Microdim | ibot: usbnet |
| 16:47:53 | kergoth | Microdim: Z doesnt use usbdnet |
| 16:47:56 | kergoth | er |
| 16:48:02 | kergoth | Microdim: usbnet, it uses usbdnet |
| 16:48:28 | Microdim | kergoth: oh, can you point me to a page, like a how to? |
| 16:49:01 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: well, if it wasn't for the fact that sh-ipkg cares less about dependencies, sure |
| 16:49:14 | kergoth | Microdim: ZZ |
| 16:49:16 | | howto is probably at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 16:49:16 | kergoth | ibot: howto |
| 16:49:16 | tux_mike | or, RTFM? |
| 16:49:25 | benmeyer | know anyway to find the PID that is binding a specific port? |
| 16:49:33 | Microdim | kergoth: thanks |
| 16:49:48 | tux_mike | neo: how do you do all those particle effects? :) |
| 16:49:54 | numatrix | benmeyer: netstat -pa |
| 16:49:56 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: lsof / fuser |
| 16:50:08 | Neo|Work | fuser -n tcp <port>\ |
| 16:50:26 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: particle effects? |
| 16:50:38 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: you have to specify, I have 6 games. ;-) |
| 16:50:45 | tux_mike | things blowing up and little pieces going all over the place :) |
| 16:51:16 | numatrix | tux_mike: Sounds like rocket-elite and bustem. |
| 16:51:16 | Neo|Work | like RocketElite / Bust'em then I'm guessing. ;-) |
| 16:51:19 | numatrix | :-) |
| 16:51:27 | tux_mike | yah, like them |
| 16:51:38 | tux_mike | i haven't played any of the other games all that much |
| 16:51:47 | Neo|Work | if so, each pixel moves based on gravity and follows the ground/walls - I haven't looked in detail on how that is done |
| 16:52:11 | Neo|Work | they explode and then accelerate downwards until they hit an obstacle |
| 16:52:18 | Neo|Work | thing of it as mini-sprites. :P |
| 16:52:41 | tux_mike | that's what i was thinking... |
| 16:53:27 | Neo|Work | very similar to the balls in eligo except I don't do any fancy stuff, just falling |
| 16:54:19 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Does each object that can be broken just have a fixed among of 'dust' it sprays off, or are the pixels actually tracked individual when it's hit? |
| 16:55:21 | Neo|Work | numatrix: not sure how that works. obviously in bustem objects of different size generate different amounts of debris |
| 16:59:58 | Microdim | is there a command that I can type in that will tell me what kernel version I have? |
| 17:00:06 | Onyx4 | uname -a |
| 17:00:07 | treke | uname -a |
| 17:00:17 | Neo|Work | how about uname -a? :-)) |
| 17:00:23 | treke | Neo|Work: no that wont work |
| 17:00:29 | Neo|Work | oh, ok. |
| 17:00:33 | numatrix | Neo|Work: either way, it's a cool effect. Does look good. |
| 17:00:45 | treke | ljp_work: What is the new sync password for opie? |
| 17:00:47 | Microdim | thanks guys |
| 17:01:13 | kergoth | treke: Qtopia |
| 17:01:25 | treke | isnt that what it was before? |
| 17:01:29 | kergoth | oh he changed it? |
| 17:01:35 | treke | yes |
| 17:01:42 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:01:46 | kergoth | he probably switched it back to rootme |
| 17:01:49 | kergoth | which is what it used to be |
| 17:01:55 | kergoth | and which is what the sync software expects |
| 17:02:04 | treke | Modified Files: |
| 17:02:04 | treke | transferserver.cpp |
| 17:02:04 | treke | Log Message: |
| 17:02:04 | treke | TT gave us the wrong sync password! ^#$^@&^ |
| 17:02:19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:02:25 | treke | yup. rootme |
| 17:03:07 | treke | althoug I'd have to say the comment in the file is a bit uncalled for |
| 17:03:24 | JasonNJ | really? what does it say? |
| 17:03:31 | treke | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/core/launcher/transferserver.cpp.diff?r1=1.4&r2=1.5 |
| 17:03:53 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 17:03:58 | numatrix | chuckles |
| 17:04:18 | Neo|Work | numatrix: indeed |
| 17:05:46 | ljp_work | yes I did that |
| 17:06:00 | Neo|Work | rootme!!! lol |
| 17:06:01 | djk | anybody seen BigBoss around? |
| 17:06:05 | Neo|Work | damn, lame |
| 17:06:07 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 2 hours, 26 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: howdy ho [Thu Sep 5 15:39:51 2002] |
| 17:06:07 | numatrix | ibot: seen bigboss |
| 17:06:11 | ljp_work | ya look at bug number 191 |
| 17:06:21 | treke | thats the default password for familiar ;) |
| 17:06:41 | ljp_work | not my choice of passwords.. thats in qtopiadekstop and intellsync |
| 17:07:01 | Neo|Work | hardcoded passwords are SO much better than NO password. not |
| 17:07:07 | ljp_work | hjaha |
| 17:07:25 | benmeyer | Yah I like that myself |
| 17:07:45 | benmeyer | couldn't take the 10 seconds to call cfb.readEntry("Password", "rootme") |
| 17:08:28 | numatrix | holy crap: Viking 512MB CompactFlash $150 |
| 17:08:32 | kergoth | bah, even better, store it via config as a md5 hash, and compare |
| 17:08:33 | kergoth | easy enough |
| 17:08:47 | treke | benmeyer: ah but then they have to find the end of the password and not just assume its going to get be 6 characters |
| 17:08:47 | kergoth | VerxHome: it doesnt kernel panic anymore, it just doesnt work ;-) |
| 17:08:48 | JasonNJ | numa: nice deal. |
| 17:08:55 | ntropy | numatrix: where? |
| 17:08:56 | chayim | numatrix : where? |
| 17:09:01 | numatrix | http://www.bensbargains.net/ktalk/1031292529,96659,.shtml |
| 17:09:05 | JasonNJ | I've been playing with a pretec 640MB cf here |
| 17:09:13 | numatrix | Amazon. 200 w/ 50 rebate, and free shipping. Cripes that's nice. |
| 17:09:22 | chayim | numatrix : I really want an SD that big. |
| 17:09:32 | numatrix | chayim: They have them, they just cost twice as much. |
| 17:09:33 | ntropy | JasonNJ: nice? |
| 17:09:43 | JasonNJ | yeah, its sweet |
| 17:09:49 | JasonNJ | but 150 is cheap for 512 |
| 17:09:53 | chayim | numatrix : too bad eh? |
| 17:10:06 | ciaolinux | numatrix: does it work with the 5000? |
| 17:10:09 | Onyx4 | man do you think that viking would work ? |
| 17:10:14 | numatrix | chayim: Yeah, but I think 128 is good enough for me and my SD. :-) |
| 17:10:16 | JasonNJ | my problem with SD is that the pda hardware is not engineered to take full advantage of it yet |
| 17:10:19 | numatrix | Onyx4: why wouldn't it? |
| 17:10:31 | JasonNJ | eventually SD will be faster than CF |
| 17:10:34 | numatrix | JasonNJ: yeah, exactly. I don't want one that big. Imagine how long it would take to copy something to it. |
| 17:10:34 | Onyx4 | numatrix: I don't know, maybe too cheap :) |
| 17:10:39 | JasonNJ | because you'll be able to use all 4 data channels |
| 17:10:45 | numatrix | Onyx4: Viking is pretty reputable. |
| 17:10:48 | Onyx4 | oh ok |
| 17:10:54 | chayim | JasonNJ : but not in our current Z right. |
| 17:10:58 | Onyx4 | mmm maybe I could fit an awesome divx movie on that |
| 17:10:58 | JasonNJ | nope. |
| 17:11:12 | treke | JasonNJ: how about the next one? |
| 17:11:22 | numatrix | Hmm, and add this coupon at amazon: MAPBABYTALK2 and supposedly you can get an extra 10 off. 512 for 140. Pretty sweet. |
| 17:11:41 | ciaolinux | numatrix: that is sd or cf? |
| 17:11:42 | numatrix | and maybe can use this coupon as well: MAPVALLEY535 |
| 17:11:45 | JasonNJ | dunno, I havent seen the schematic for it yet, but I am gonna say probably not, as its a limitation of current Xscale controller chipsets. |
| 17:11:49 | numatrix | ciaolinux: cf, definitely. |
| 17:11:56 | Microdim | how do I get usbdnet to work? I am running Lycoris |
| 17:11:58 | treke | JasonNJ: bleh |
| 17:12:21 | ntropy | how big of SD cards to they make now? 256? |
| 17:12:28 | Onyx4 | damn I'm really thinking of getting that 512 |
| 17:12:52 | chayim | Onyx4 : they make a 512, I think VerxHome was into it. |
| 17:13:11 | JasonNJ | see, the problem is that SD requires a totally different chip controller than what the PCMCIA/CF bus uses |
| 17:13:39 | JasonNJ | and for the most part intel treats SD as an afterthought |
| 17:14:09 | numatrix | bummer. It would be really nice to actually get 4 channel data to and from the sd slot. |
| 17:14:23 | JasonNJ | theres only one chip on the market that can do that now |
| 17:14:33 | JasonNJ | nobody is using it for a PDA yet |
| 17:14:33 | ciaolinux | according to viking the 5500 supports it... but they don't say anything about 5000. Does anyone know anything about that? |
| 17:14:43 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: Do you know if the Lexar 512MB SD card works on the Z? |
| 17:14:50 | VerxHome | I am wanting to find out before I spend the money on it |
| 17:14:51 | JasonNJ | yes the lexar works great. |
| 17:14:58 | VerxHome | the 512MB version does? |
| 17:15:01 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 17:15:05 | VerxHome | AWESOME |
| 17:15:08 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: how much is that? |
| 17:15:08 | chayim | VerxHome : how much was it again? |
| 17:15:12 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 17:15:13 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 17:15:16 | VerxHome | it is like $319 |
| 17:15:21 | VerxHome | that is the best price I have found |
| 17:15:31 | ciaolinux | well so the viking is less than 12 |
| 17:15:32 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: I just didn't want to spend the money and then find out it wasn't going to work |
| 17:15:32 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:15:34 | ciaolinux | 1/2 |
| 17:15:35 | chayim | VerxHome : oh yeah... I forgot, slightly more than a cup of coffee. |
| 17:15:44 | VerxHome | ciaolinux: Viking of what size? |
| 17:15:46 | JasonNJ | all of the lexar stuff works |
| 17:15:52 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: 512 |
| 17:15:57 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: any idea on the power? |
| 17:16:02 | JasonNJ | no idea |
| 17:16:03 | VerxHome | ciaolinux: Must be CF then |
| 17:16:15 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: right |
| 17:16:18 | JasonNJ | the only vendor I really dont recommend is sandisk |
| 17:16:18 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: Have you seen any of the SD or MMC cards having a problem with suspend? |
| 17:16:28 | JasonNJ | for some weird reason, their SD cards write slower than any other |
| 17:16:30 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: I was hoping to make sure it doesn't have an issue with suspend |
| 17:16:33 | JasonNJ | signifcantly slower |
| 17:16:41 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: I know why they write slower |
| 17:16:44 | VerxHome | they are lower power |
| 17:16:45 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: why do you want to take an sd? |
| 17:17:00 | VerxHome | ciaolinux: So I can have 512MB of storage WHILE using a CF wireless card |
| 17:17:05 | JasonNJ | the lexars work good, as do the toshibas |
| 17:17:22 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: Any wireless CF you would recommend over the socket? |
| 17:17:30 | chayim | VerxHome : it's always made perfect sense to me. It's just teh $$$. |
| 17:18:20 | numatrix | chayim: And speed... |
| 17:18:37 | Speedy2 | They should have gone dual-CF anyway, makes more sense all around. |
| 17:18:47 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 17:18:48 | numatrix | Speedy2: ehh? Except for size. |
| 17:18:52 | Onyx4 | I hate to take off my wireless card |
| 17:19:14 | VerxHome | onyx4 but you wouldn't if you had a 512MB SD card |
| 17:19:22 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:19:22 | chayim | numatrix : I can accept that to be honest. I don't open large files. |
| 17:19:26 | erikd | is there a binary or a file or something that'll tell me the version of a certain library if i give it the libblah.so as an arg? |
| 17:19:31 | Onyx4 | well I can't play divx movies off of SD, too slow |
| 17:19:43 | numatrix | chayim: then why do you need a 512mb sd card? ;-) |
| 17:19:57 | Speedy2 | Dual-CF is do-able, it just requires a bit of cleverness. |
| 17:20:21 | numatrix | Onyx4: I'm pretty sure it can't be done. tkcplayer may not, but mplayer will. I haven't tried a full movie because I don't have a big enough sd card, but I've played killer bean in divx sized for the zaurus just fine. |
| 17:20:29 | numatrix | Onyx4: that is, ~can~ be done. |
| 17:20:40 | chayim | numatrix : because I like to store documents and stuff (a document being HTML files < 30kb). It's not for the mp3s. |
| 17:20:50 | chayim | numatrix : that comes either off of cf or nfs |
| 17:21:00 | numatrix | chayim: You really have 512MB/30kb total number of documents? |
| 17:21:26 | numatrix | chayim: I'm just saying that it doesn't seem like you really need something that large if you're not storing large items. That's all. |
| 17:21:50 | oGMo | $319?! |
| 17:21:50 | chayim | numatrix : I can respect that thoght (re not storing large docs)., but yeah I have those docs |
| 17:22:03 | oGMo | you're crazy |
| 17:22:06 | ciaolinux | is there a log of #zaurus somewhere? |
| 17:22:17 | chayim | numatrix : jdk 1.3.1, jdk 1.4.0, python docs 2.2.1, python 1.5.2, mysql manual, bash manual, make manual, ant manual, etc. |
| 17:22:24 | | #zaurus is http://sigkill9.tripod.com/zaurus.html |
| 17:22:24 | chayim | ibot, #zaurus |
| 17:22:37 | VerxHome | oGMo: Why? |
| 17:22:59 | oGMo | VerxHome, because that's a lot when you could get CF for a lot cheaper |
| 17:23:06 | oGMo | also considering the performance of SD |
| 17:23:23 | numatrix | chayim: ahh, ok. |
| 17:23:35 | chayim | numatrix : surprised? |
| 17:24:01 | Onyx4 | is soo tempted to buy the 512mb viking for 140$ |
| 17:24:12 | VerxHome | oGMo: But this way I can have everything installed while using CF |
| 17:24:21 | numatrix | chayim: You made it sound like all you were using it for was editing small docs. :-) |
| 17:24:23 | oGMo | Onyx4, i got a 256 viking for $95 and it's great |
| 17:24:28 | VerxHome | oGMo: Like 512MB of SD + wireless CF |
| 17:24:35 | Onyx4 | I have 256mb already too |
| 17:24:49 | VerxHome | I have 2 256MB CF cards and 8 128MB CF cards |
| 17:24:57 | oGMo | VerxHome: if you just use it for software, i guess... but it's too slow even for the games i've tried |
| 17:25:03 | chayim | numatrix : ah. no I don't edit docs on my z. I write my ideas and python there (to start) though. I find it impossible to write ant and make on. |
| 17:25:06 | VerxHome | oGMo: For which games? |
| 17:25:11 | | chayim: huh? |
| 17:25:11 | chayim | ibot, ant |
| 17:25:16 | oGMo | VerxHome: doom, monkey island (scummvm) |
| 17:25:25 | VerxHome | oGMo: I haven't had issue |
| 17:25:32 | | OK, chayim. |
| 17:25:32 | chayim | ibot ant is a make replacement for java which is far less flexible but compiles files quickly. |
| 17:25:36 | | it has been said that ant is a make replacement for java which is far less flexible but compiles files quickly. |
| 17:25:36 | chayim | ibot ant |
| 17:25:37 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: wow what do you do with all these cards |
| 17:25:48 | numatrix | oGMo: really? I've run both sam and max (scummvm) and doom2 from the SD card without a problem. |
| 17:25:54 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: do you have a nice carrying case to transport them with your Z? |
| 17:26:03 | oGMo | the stuttering graphics and sound in doom were quite obvious, and MI had issues working at all at first, then the mp3 soundtrack was stuttering |
| 17:26:03 | VerxHome | Onyx4: They are primarily for my digital camera, but I use them off and on for the Z |
| 17:26:16 | oGMo | numatrix: what brand SD? |
| 17:26:22 | numatrix | oGMo: toshiba (Mr. Flash) |
| 17:26:26 | Onyx4 | ok, cause if I buy 512, I'll probably not use my 256 that I just bought |
| 17:26:38 | oGMo | i got my sd to use for just this purpose, so i'm kinda pissed it has issues |
| 17:26:41 | oGMo | numatrix: hrm, i got sandisk |
| 17:26:44 | Onyx4 | so now I have 32,64 and 256mb CF |
| 17:26:46 | numatrix | oGMo: 128mb low-power card. I paid a little more for the low power, but with a d-link wireless card I need all I can get. |
| 17:26:57 | VerxHome | oGMo: OOOOH, JasonNJ said the sandisk are tons slower than other cards |
| 17:26:57 | numatrix | oGMo: see JasonNJ's comment above. Sandisks kinda suck. |
| 17:27:06 | W|GGL|T | has dlink also |
| 17:27:08 | oGMo | VerxHome, shit. ;) |
| 17:27:19 | oGMo | now i find out, heh |
| 17:27:30 | oGMo | oh well, it was only like $50 |
| 17:27:43 | oGMo | but i still wouldn't pay $319 for a measly 512MB |
| 17:28:07 | W|GGL|T | that's almost as high as my car payment |
| 17:28:12 | Onyx4 | for 512mb I can use full stereo sound at 48khz for my divx movies, that'd be so much better than like 32kbit mono |
| 17:28:18 | numatrix | I like how ibot thinks forehead is always getting picked on (when people smack their foreheads) |
| 17:28:46 | W|GGL|T | smacks his forehead |
| 17:28:54 | W|GGL|T | smacks ibot's forehead |
| 17:29:07 | oGMo | smacks W|GGL|T's forehead, too |
| 17:29:10 | oGMo | *runs* |
| 17:29:26 | W|GGL|T | group-smacks everyone's foreheads |
| 17:29:33 | numatrix | So if I say rtype will I show up on the page? |
| 17:29:43 | numatrix | refreshes zaurus stats... |
| 17:29:56 | numatrix | Guess they don't update instantly. Wonder how often. |
| 17:30:01 | oGMo | zaurus stats? |
| 17:30:05 | | i guess #zaurus is http://sigkill9.tripod.com/zaurus.html |
| 17:30:05 | numatrix | ibot: #zaurus |
| 17:30:15 | W|GGL|T | how old? |
| 17:30:15 | oGMo | nifty |
| 17:30:30 | numatrix | very nifty stuff there. I didn't know they were there until someone referenced it a few minutues ago |
| 17:30:53 | oGMo | august 21, heh |
| 17:31:24 | Onyx4 | anybody has digipower 8100 here? |
| 17:31:43 | W|GGL|T | ahh...the stats aren't that old |
| 17:31:55 | numatrix | so who updates that? |
| 17:31:57 | W|GGL|T | last i checked it was 2 months ago |
| 17:32:03 | W|GGL|T | i dunno |
| 17:32:18 | VerxHome | heh |
| 17:32:20 | VerxHome | I am 15th |
| 17:32:21 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 17:32:46 | W|GGL|T | im still on there, though i don't have as much time to chat as i used to |
| 17:32:52 | numatrix | VerxHome: yup; I didn't even realize Verxion was your full nick. |
| 17:33:52 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 17:33:56 | W|GGL|T | Is mrwoody stupid or just asking too many questions? 61.5% lines contained a question! |
| 17:33:57 | W|GGL|T | ciaolinux didn't know that much either. 59.3% of his/her lines were questions. |
| 17:34:10 | ciaolinux | well it might be true... |
| 17:34:22 | numatrix | Yeah, that's pretty funny. Or is it? ? ? ? ? I wonder if multiple ?'s count against you. |
| 17:34:28 | ciaolinux | but the funny thing is that mrwoody knows less than me... |
| 17:34:42 | ciaolinux | and that is the nick that i use when i connect from home |
| 17:34:59 | ciaolinux | i should ask question without using the ? i guess ;-) |
| 17:35:10 | numatrix | cheater!!! ;-) |
| 17:35:26 | ciaolinux | why cheater? |
| 17:35:28 | numatrix | ciaolinux: Just tell people it means you're just inquisitive. |
| 17:35:34 | VerxHome | kergoth is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 66 times. |
| 17:35:34 | VerxHome | For example, like this: |
| 17:35:34 | VerxHome | 1018297424 [29978] <kergoth`/#zaurus> beats e2fsprogs buildsystem |
| 17:35:35 | numatrix | ciaolinux: For trying to evade the counter. |
| 17:35:41 | tux_mike | i /so/ lucked out |
| 17:35:54 | tux_mike | my classes are still avaliable at my college :) |
| 17:36:00 | ciaolinux | well as you can see... i just used another ? just now ! :-) |
| 17:36:21 | ciaolinux | well also at my college.. the one where i teach! ;-) |
| 17:37:06 | W|GGL|T | kergoth always lets us know what he/she's doing: 1398 actions! |
| 17:37:12 | W|GGL|T | bwahaha |
| 17:37:12 | VerxHome | Verxion, VerxIPAQ, VerxHome, VerxWork, VerxHome_, VerxPaste, VerxThinking, VerxHomeWorking, VerxIdle, VerxSleep |
| 17:37:12 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 17:37:16 | VerxHome | I forgot I had used so many nicks |
| 17:37:39 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 17:37:39 | treke | VerxHome: haha, you've beat me out :) |
| 17:37:43 | W|GGL|T | you see ljp's? |
| 17:37:50 | numatrix | MarkNovak made the top list. How sweet. And that was only over a what; 1 week period? |
| 17:37:51 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 17:37:54 | VerxHome | ljp is hilarious |
| 17:37:55 | oGMo | VerxTheSequel |
| 17:38:04 | oGMo | VerxHome: they should have nick aliasing or something |
| 17:38:23 | VerxHome | heh |
| 17:38:48 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 17:38:49 | VerxHome | there we go |
| 17:38:57 | VerxHome | all but one of my auction items have been bid on |
| 17:39:06 | VerxHome | so far, $400 in value |
| 17:39:16 | VerxHome | and they all have 11+ hours left |
| 17:39:19 | VerxHome | so it is just gonna go up! |
| 17:39:20 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:39:39 | numatrix | VerxHome: excellent; good luck gettign the SD card. :-0 |
| 17:40:30 | ciaolinux | What are you selling? |
| 17:40:58 | numatrix | anybody know what the locked screen pic is from on scap? |
| 17:41:01 | VerxHome | ciaolinux: Sec |
| 17:41:07 | VerxHome | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1378514091&rd=1 |
| 17:41:20 | VerxHome | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1378512785&rd=1 |
| 17:41:28 | VerxHome | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1378515785&rd=1 |
| 17:41:35 | VerxHome | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1378517926&rd=1 |
| 17:41:42 | VerxHome | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2051268338&rd=1 |
| 17:41:45 | VerxHome | those items |
| 17:42:40 | kergoth | crap, i still talk too much |
| 17:42:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:42:56 | | Since Tue Aug 27 01:59:31 2002, there have been 444 modifications and 1557 questions. I have been awake for 10 days, 16 hours, 43 minutes, 25 seconds this session, and currently reference 84230 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 17:42:56 | treke | ibot, stats? |
| 17:43:18 | numatrix | 84230? Crap that's a lot. |
| 17:43:46 | treke | numatrix: its gpe |
| 17:43:58 | numatrix | gpe? |
| 17:44:03 | treke | yes. |
| 17:44:04 | numatrix | Ahh; nevermind. |
| 17:44:07 | | gpe is the GPE Palmtop Environment and can be found at http://gpe.handhelds.org/ - Join #gpe to chat about it. |
| 17:44:07 | treke | ibot, gpe? |
| 17:44:14 | numatrix | Forgot what question you were answering. :-) Thanks. |
| 17:45:22 | numatrix | treke: Were you the person saying how there was some development on kongembedded? |
| 17:45:28 | treke | numatrix: yes |
| 17:45:53 | numatrix | treke: Is there someplace online I can see a changelog or a change list? |
| 17:46:05 | numatrix | treke: And have any of the changes been worth rolling up a new ipk? |
| 17:46:07 | treke | numatrix: not that I know of |
| 17:47:18 | tux_mike | time to order my leds |
| 17:47:32 | numatrix | tux_mike: for your mouse? Yeah, that's so sweet looking. |
| 17:49:16 | treke | numatrix: check out the mailing list lists.kde.org |
| 17:50:32 | chayim | anybody here see wierdness with the OZ-liquid theme? I've noticed that if apps are preloaded then the buttons don't always display (tkcMemo, oipkg). |
| 17:50:54 | kergoth | chayim: forget to restart opie after changing ot liquid? |
| 17:50:59 | chayim | kergoth : nope. |
| 17:51:06 | kergoth | okay that was my only idea |
| 17:51:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:51:18 | chayim | kergoth : I thought so to, so I did a double-check the first time. |
| 17:51:26 | VerxHome | kergoth: I think it is a certainty at this point that you will be getting my 64MB MMC |
| 17:51:44 | numatrix | chayim: I've heard that theme has trouble with some programs. |
| 17:51:44 | chayim | kergoth: and for some reason it isn't always sleeping properly as well. |
| 17:51:51 | kergoth | chayim: what isnt sleeping properly/ |
| 17:51:57 | kergoth | VerxHome: nice |
| 17:52:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: I'm still beating prism2 drivers with a large bat |
| 17:52:12 | VerxHome | kergoth: I mean, I am getting $400 from the auction so far |
| 17:52:16 | VerxHome | and there are 11 hours to go |
| 17:52:24 | VerxHome | so I figure that is likely to go up another 50 to 100 easily |
| 17:52:24 | kergoth | very nice |
| 17:52:42 | VerxHome | I am hoping for $500 |
| 17:52:59 | VerxHome | that would let me get the 512MB SD card and a nice low power wireless CF card |
| 17:52:59 | treke | VerxHome: selling your 3800? |
| 17:53:02 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: how much did you pay for that? |
| 17:53:13 | VerxHome | treke: Nope, selling crap I haven't used in over 3 years |
| 17:53:16 | VerxHome | well |
| 17:53:17 | VerxHome | it isn't crap |
| 17:53:21 | VerxHome | but you know what I mean |
| 17:53:21 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:53:28 | treke | VerxHome: ah :) |
| 17:53:31 | chayim | numatrix : I'm temporarily solid again. |
| 17:53:38 | treke | VerxHome: not a bad idea :) |
| 17:53:40 | VerxHome | the best item is a VERY nice Sony DAT recorder |
| 17:53:43 | VerxHome | I paid $800 for it |
| 17:53:45 | VerxHome | (new) |
| 17:53:51 | VerxHome | but I have only used it like twice |
| 17:54:04 | chayim | kergoth: not too sure, all I notice is that suspend causes the z to freeze. It's the same if apps are running or not (from SD, and ram). |
| 17:54:04 | VerxHome | so I figure, if that is all I have used it in my 6+ years of ownership |
| 17:54:07 | VerxHome | I might as well sell it |
| 17:55:26 | treke | only 400 dollars per use? not a bad deal :) |
| 17:55:32 | numatrix | Anybody tried the opie-nethack version? It looks like a newer version than the qpe-nethack listed on zsi. I was going to update the zsi entry but figured I'd check and make sure there wasn't a reason not do do it. |
| 17:55:33 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 17:55:36 | VerxHome | yeah yeah |
| 17:55:57 | VerxHome | treke: 6 years ago I was very into the "oh, so and so says this is REALLY cool, let me run out and buy it!" |
| 17:56:02 | VerxHome | I wasted sooooooo much money |
| 17:56:02 | ljp_work | I dont think anyone has worked on nethack |
| 17:56:02 | kergoth | chayim: fully updated from the feed? |
| 17:56:12 | treke | VerxHome: thats one of the reasons I keep putting off buying a digital camera :) |
| 17:56:29 | kergoth | I tend to see a really good deal and want to buy it |
| 17:56:31 | chayim | kergoth : well sdmmc is, as are some others. my wlan nic is still giving me issues so I can't do this yet . |
| 17:56:36 | kergoth | and i have to convince myself that beter deals will come eventually |
| 17:56:38 | kergoth | chayim: ah |
| 17:56:44 | kergoth | chayim: well, there were knwon suspend/resume issues |
| 17:56:50 | numatrix | ljp: the opie-nethack is a much newer version though than the current one. At the very least I could link to that one. |
| 17:56:53 | kergoth | chayim: which have been improved, but not fully solved |
| 17:57:06 | chayim | kergoth : I can deal =(. It's the wlan card that's really pissing me off. |
| 17:57:14 | kergoth | chayim: want to work on debugging that? |
| 17:57:14 | treke | numatrix: the queston is is it a just a newer build or actuall changes |
| 17:57:34 | numatrix | treke: based on the version number it's running a newer build. |
| 17:57:40 | chayim | kergoth : wlan or suspend? I'll do either if you let me know how I can help. |
| 17:57:44 | numatrix | new version: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=opie-nethack&official=&format= |
| 17:57:47 | kergoth | chayim: wlan |
| 17:57:53 | numatrix | current: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=qpe-nethack&official=&format= |
| 17:57:53 | kergoth | chayim: refresh my memory on your situation |
| 17:57:58 | treke | numatrix: but if nothings changed, whats a new build mean? nothing |
| 17:58:17 | chayim | kergoth: no card @ work, but essentially I just can't get ip traffic across it. |
| 17:58:33 | numatrix | treke: I'm assuming those numbers are based on the actual nethack version numbers, which makes sense; they're consistent with nethack ver numbers, and 3.4 has a number of changes... |
| 17:58:57 | treke | is looking for nethack in cvs |
| 17:59:07 | chayim | leaving for a second |
| 17:59:28 | chayim | I'm back |
| 17:59:35 | kergoth | chayim: and iwconfig shows correct mode and essid and key? |
| 17:59:53 | KcsZ | playing a divx 352x288 with op2 i don't see the video and i hear the music only for a bit |
| 17:59:59 | chayim | kergoth: suppers. |
| 17:59:59 | KcsZ | what should i do? |
| 18:00:09 | VerxHome | I think I have become addicted to ebay |
| 18:00:10 | chayim | kergoth : s/suppers/yuppers |
| 18:00:11 | VerxHome | durnit |
| 18:00:12 | VerxHome | heh |
| 18:00:16 | numatrix | treke: here's a dumb question; where is opie cvs? |
| 18:00:17 | VerxHome | looks for other crap to sell |
| 18:00:18 | kergoth | chayim: lights solid on teh card? |
| 18:00:22 | extremis | kergoth: could you build a new rom based on the 0904 packages |
| 18:00:30 | treke | numatrix: opie.handhelds.org, click on the code link |
| 18:00:32 | chayim | kergoth : yup, smc2642w connecting apple airport 1 (no wep used) |
| 18:00:35 | extremis | I cannot upgrade all the packages without messing things up |
| 18:00:37 | numatrix | treke: thanks. |
| 18:00:40 | | numatrix: sorry... |
| 18:00:40 | numatrix | ibot: opie cvs |
| 18:00:41 | kergoth | extremis: k |
| 18:00:47 | kergoth | chayim: hm. |
| 18:00:57 | extremis | kergoth: how long will it take :) |
| 18:01:04 | treke | numatrix: unless someone else is working on it, it doesnt look like its been updated in a long time |
| 18:01:05 | | OK, numatrix. |
| 18:01:05 | numatrix | ibot: opie cvs is http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php3?SourceCode |
| 18:01:05 | KcsZ | can anyone answer? |
| 18:01:07 | chayim | kergoth : toughee for me to. I spent some time with my friend arp trying to figure it out. |
| 18:01:08 | kergoth | chayim: does ifconfig wlan0 show any thing under received packets? |
| 18:01:13 | numatrix | treke: umm, what's up with the broken code link? |
| 18:01:26 | chayim | kergoth : don't know off the top of my head, but I keep meaning to log on from home. |
| 18:01:32 | kergoth | chayim: hehe. k.. |
| 18:01:38 | treke | numatrix: beats me |
| 18:01:39 | chayim | kergoth : on monday I'll log on @ home and we can find out. |
| 18:02:00 | kergoth | chayim: okay, great |
| 18:02:15 | kergoth | Anyone else in here with a smc prism2.5 card they've tested in OZ? |
| 18:02:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:02:17 | numatrix | KcsZ: it probably doesn't help you're trying to play a file that doesn't fit on the screen.... |
| 18:02:24 | extremis | I have one |
| 18:02:40 | extremis | it works fine, except after I upgraded packages, it won't resume properly |
| 18:02:54 | KcsZ | numatrix: what resolution must i use? |
| 18:03:02 | extremis | the smc 2.5 that is |
| 18:03:05 | DrXXXXwrk | anyone have that verizon sharpmobile device yet,, i wonder if its worth a shit yet |
| 18:03:13 | VerxHome | wow |
| 18:03:16 | DrXXXXwrk | addon device |
| 18:03:35 | VerxHome | I have a 5 year old CD Player I haven't used in 4 years |
| 18:03:35 | extremis | kergoth: could you build an image so I can see if it is the new drivers or not |
| 18:03:35 | VerxHome | simple 5 disk changer |
| 18:03:36 | | chayim: huh? |
| 18:03:36 | chayim | ibot #openzaurus |
| 18:03:37 | extremis | I had alot of errors with my ipkg upgrades |
| 18:03:38 | VerxHome | looks like it goes for $200 on ebay |
| 18:03:42 | VerxHome | is gonna sell that puppy |
| 18:03:43 | extremis | rather, oipkg upgrades |
| 18:03:43 | numatrix | KcsZ: the Z is 240x320, so I'd try anything less than that. |
| 18:04:10 | kergoth | extremis: l |
| 18:04:11 | kergoth | er |
| 18:04:12 | kergoth | extremis: k |
| 18:04:21 | numatrix | KcsZ: I don't know how well op2 handles larger than 320x240 rez files, so I couldn't tell you. Harlekin isn't around, otherwise you should check with him. |
| 18:05:02 | KcsZ | numatrix: do you know how can i change the resolution of a divx? |
| 18:05:03 | extremis | kergoth: let me know when I should download |
| 18:05:06 | extremis | :) |
| 18:05:11 | extremis | twiddles thumbs |
| 18:05:11 | kergoth | extremis: k |
| 18:05:17 | numatrix | KcsZ: you'll have to get a program on your desktop to resize it. Are you running linux or windows or something else? |
| 18:05:27 | KcsZ | numatrix: linux |
| 18:06:14 | KcsZ | numatrix: what's that program? |
| 18:08:43 | | i guess transcode is a linux video processing tool that can be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. see http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt or talk to Onyx4 for any problems/questions. |
| 18:08:43 | numatrix | ibot: transcode |
| 18:08:53 | numatrix | KcsZ: talk to Onyx4. |
| 18:09:00 | jmhodges | not just the zaurus though |
| 18:09:04 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #zaurus 37 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: anybody has digipower 8100 here? [Fri Sep 6 18:31:24 2002] |
| 18:09:04 | numatrix | ibot: seen Onyx4 |
| 18:09:06 | jmhodges | that ibot reading is wrong.. |
| 18:09:19 | KcsZ | numatrix: thanks |
| 18:09:33 | numatrix | jmhodges: Yeah, it's a little skewed, but Onyx4 meant well. |
| 18:10:18 | numatrix | And it is true. It ~can~ be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. It can be used for many other things as well, but since we're in a zaurus channel, it's reasonable that it has a zaurus bent. Though it could use to be a little more accurate. |
| 18:11:49 | extremis | ....twiddle.... |
| 18:12:04 | | chayim: huh? |
| 18:12:04 | chayim | ibot, oz cvs |
| 18:12:10 | | cvs is Concurrent Versions System and is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ and at http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/03/cvs_intro.html and http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/17/cvsadmin.html and http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/ |
| 18:12:10 | chayim | ibot, cvs |
| 18:13:47 | chayim | kergoth: thanks, got it. |
| 18:15:39 | jaytee | anyone have a sharp rom Z that is properly obeying the dim-light/off-light/suspend? |
| 18:15:59 | jaytee | can get his Z to suspend |
| 18:15:59 | chayim | jaytee : mine was beforth I went oz. |
| 18:16:22 | jaytee | chayim: still on sharp here and it isn't workng |
| 18:16:30 | jaytee | what are the defaults? |
| 18:16:35 | ntropy | jaytee: mine is |
| 18:16:41 | chayim | jaytee : which ROM (defaults are 20/30/60) |
| 18:16:49 | jaytee | opppsss... it just shut down |
| 18:16:50 | benmeyer | hates windows networking |
| 18:17:14 | chayim | feels ben's pain. hates windows. |
| 18:17:26 | mutexer | benmeyer: do you know yet if the developer challenge will be given some more days? |
| 18:18:02 | benmeyer | yes |
| 18:18:02 | benmeyer | it will |
| 18:18:14 | mutexer | any idea how many yet? |
| 18:18:23 | benmeyer | nope |
| 18:18:44 | mutexer | k...Ill go back to furiously coding some more then |
| 18:19:14 | extremis | .. ... twiddle .. .... |
| 18:19:35 | benmeyer | sorry, ask sniper |
| 18:19:45 | benmeyer | at least the 16th |
| 18:19:49 | benmeyer | we wont be back till then |
| 18:21:05 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or something you give to cattle! |
| 18:21:05 | KcsZ | ibot: feed |
| 18:21:06 | jaytee | ahhhh.... it's additive |
| 18:21:19 | jaytee | thats contra-intuitive |
| 18:21:24 | mutexer | ok..so monday at the earliest |
| 18:21:42 | mutexer | any idea when itll be annouced? and will the challenge page be where its announced? |
| 18:22:50 | VerxHome | it is just an expression. "okie dokie" means something like "ok, I look forward to it!" |
| 18:23:35 | benmeyer | yah, and an e-mail wil lbe sent out |
| 18:23:54 | mutexer | k, thx |
| 18:25:37 | VerxHome | ok |
| 18:26:56 | kergoth | what the fuck |
| 18:26:58 | kergoth | dies |
| 18:27:09 | chayim | h |
| 18:27:12 | chayim | ? |
| 18:27:13 | tux_mike | god i love remote administration |
| 18:27:25 | tux_mike | i'll tell you all a funny story when i get back :) |
| 18:28:41 | kergoth | i dont fucking get it. |
| 18:28:47 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 18:29:01 | kergoth | when compiling for arm, structures get aligned on word boundry automatically right? |
| 18:31:02 | scribe | Borland's free kylix 3 ide totally rocks. Real C++, great debugger, fast. I just wish it could produce arm executables. :) |
| 18:31:25 | oGMo | kergoth: what's the problem? |
| 18:32:21 | | f*ck is, like, see farq |
| 18:32:21 | Onyx4 | ibot: f*ck |
| 18:32:29 | | I think you meant fuck. dont beat around the bush, man. |
| 18:32:29 | Onyx4 | ibot: farq |
| 18:32:30 | Com[Plex] | hey uh. has anyone flashed there z's through the USB cradle? |
| 18:32:38 | extremis | kergoth: done? |
| 18:32:40 | extremis | :) |
| 18:32:44 | extremis | *twiddle* |
| 18:33:20 | DrXXXXwrk | com plex i did once |
| 18:33:40 | DrXXXXwrk | com[plex]: i did once to go to sharp rom 2.38 |
| 18:34:17 | DrXXXXwrk | it worked fine |
| 18:34:23 | Com[Plex] | okay, where can I find the application to let me do that? and: will it work for my 5000d? |
| 18:34:30 | Com[Plex] | or is that a 5500 only thing? |
| 18:34:43 | Com[Plex] | <remoacing the cramfs file with the 1.38 ROMIMAGE |
| 18:34:52 | Com[Plex] | (replacing |
| 18:35:06 | kergoth | oGMo: alignment problem |
| 18:35:07 | tux_mike | alright |
| 18:35:24 | kergoth | oGMo: The buffer it uses to hold the mac address when it queries the wlan card isnt aligned properly, and it has shitfits |
| 18:35:27 | kergoth | oGMo: kernel panics. |
| 18:35:39 | oGMo | kergoth: much fun |
| 18:35:42 | kergoth | ohh yeah |
| 18:36:36 | oGMo | any ideas why it's not being aligned? |
| 18:36:39 | kergoth | none |
| 18:36:43 | kergoth | i have *no* idea |
| 18:36:52 | kergoth | its just a unsigned character array inside of a net_device structure |
| 18:36:52 | oGMo | how is it being declared? |
| 18:36:57 | oGMo | oh |
| 18:36:59 | kergoth | unsigned char blah[8]; |
| 18:37:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:37:12 | oGMo | well if it's _inside_ the struct, it may not be aligned |
| 18:37:14 | oGMo | right? |
| 18:37:22 | tux_mike | well, as i said. i love remote admin. i was prepping a new PC for a user, and i copied all the files off his old one onto the new, and i accidentilly had myself logged in, and not the user. oops. he gets the computer, logged into his account, and his documents arent there. so, before going down there to "show him how to use the new pc" i sneak into the administration share, c$, and copy the files into his profile, and act as if th |
| 18:37:23 | kergoth | good point, the structure itself is aligned properly, not its members |
| 18:37:26 | kergoth | hrm |
| 18:37:49 | tux_mike | of course i act coy, and the user accepts it :) |
| 18:38:22 | kergoth | oGMo: the thing is, from what i can tell, the structure hasnt changed, except that the blah character array is now 8, rather than 7, characters |
| 18:38:32 | kergoth | oGMo: but the length of it shouldnt affect the alignment of its base address.. |
| 18:38:39 | oGMo | kergoth: what comes after it? |
| 18:38:49 | oGMo | are you sure it's that that's the problem? |
| 18:39:15 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 18:39:18 | kergoth | check this |
| 18:39:23 | kergoth | unsigned char pad; /* make dev_addr aligned to 8 bytes */ |
| 18:39:26 | kergoth | unsigned char dev_addr[MAX_ADDR_LEN]; /* hw address */ |
| 18:39:32 | kergoth | that was back when MAX_ADDR_LEN was 7! |
| 18:39:34 | kergoth | now its 8! |
| 18:39:36 | kergoth | no padding necessary |
| 18:39:38 | kergoth | removes pad |
| 18:39:45 | oGMo | uh er hrm |
| 18:39:46 | kergoth | er |
| 18:39:48 | kergoth | no |
| 18:39:54 | kergoth | i need coffee |
| 18:39:56 | kergoth | or something |
| 18:40:00 | kergoth | ponders |
| 18:40:06 | kergoth | oh |
| 18:40:13 | oGMo | i still don't get why the MAX_ADDR_LEN definition would change the base address |
| 18:40:16 | kergoth | the item before pad used to be 7 bytes, but is now 8! |
| 18:40:20 | kergoth | so it *does* change the base address |
| 18:40:25 | oGMo | oh :) |
| 18:40:27 | kergoth | it knocks it one byte off |
| 18:40:29 | oGMo | there ya go |
| 18:40:32 | kergoth | removes pad with confidence now |
| 18:40:55 | kergoth | thanks oGMo |
| 18:41:16 | oGMo | np |
| 18:41:48 | kergoth | it that worked i'm going to be very happy |
| 18:41:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:41:57 | kergoth | i hate seeing HostAP crash and burn |
| 18:42:13 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:42:26 | Harlekin | re |
| 18:45:24 | benmeyer | YAH! Windows only took 2 hours and 23 minutes to login! weee I can finally print the 1 page report. |
| 18:46:57 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:50:35 | extremis | kergoth |
| 18:50:39 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: Windows? |
| 18:50:40 | extremis | my thumbs are tired |
| 18:50:46 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:50:49 | kergoth | yeah yeah yeah i know |
| 18:50:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:50:52 | extremis | :) |
| 18:50:54 | benmeyer | yah my work laptop dual boots between debian and winme |
| 18:51:07 | extremis | kergoth: should I lower my expectations? |
| 18:51:19 | kergoth | definately |
| 18:51:29 | kergoth | I'm making hostAP wlan driver stop crashing in 2.4.7 |
| 18:51:29 | extremis | by how much? a day? |
| 18:51:31 | extremis | a week? |
| 18:51:34 | extremis | ahhh |
| 18:51:34 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: ok. I thought that you installed vmware on Z |
| 18:52:15 | benmeyer | na :-D |
| 18:52:38 | benmeyer | I really only use the windows side to print |
| 18:52:39 | ciaolinux | well that would be cool, tho! :-) too bad that it is not gpl... |
| 18:52:58 | darienm | damnit, hate when I close that window. |
| 18:53:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:53:31 | darienm | My irc client is on 24/7 and one wrong keyboard shortcut and *poof* there it goes |
| 18:53:48 | darienm | I was just scrolling back to see what I missed these past 5 hours too. |
| 18:53:52 | darienm | now I have to look at the logs. |
| 19:01:17 | kergoth | shit |
| 19:01:25 | kergoth | dies |
| 19:01:33 | VerxHome | kergoth: What happened? |
| 19:01:43 | VerxHome | sorry, I have been doing work for my real job for a few hours here |
| 19:01:50 | VerxHome | so couldn't be very helpful. :( |
| 19:02:12 | kergoth | np |
| 19:02:15 | kergoth | it doesnt crash anymore |
| 19:02:36 | VerxHome | well that's good |
| 19:04:00 | kergoth | yeah, now it just doesnt work |
| 19:04:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:06:03 | kgbudzZ | how do i config the troll ftpd |
| 19:06:26 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:06:37 | kergoth | the ftp daemon on 4242 is part of qtopia itself. there is no configuration. |
| 19:06:56 | kgbudzZ | no, that ftp doesnt work |
| 19:07:09 | kergoth | works flawless here and for everyone else i've talked to |
| 19:07:09 | kgbudzZ | only works over usb or something |
| 19:07:18 | kergoth | no, thats only the case on sharp rom 2.38 |
| 19:07:29 | kgbudzZ | ya, thats me |
| 19:07:32 | kergoth | when they broke sync over wireless |
| 19:07:37 | kergoth | ah, well i dunno then, good luck |
| 19:07:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:07:50 | kgbudzZ | so i tried troll ftp |
| 19:07:58 | kgbudzZ | but i need to change port |
| 19:08:40 | kgbudzZ | cause it conflicts with my router |
| 19:08:47 | kergoth | what is troll ftp? |
| 19:09:19 | kgbudzZ | the only ftpd i can find for Z |
| 19:11:34 | phatcat | what's up |
| 19:12:38 | KcsZ | kergoth: where can i download netkit-ftp? |
| 19:16:31 | chouimat | BigBoss: I got Snow yesterday, It's very very good |
| 19:18:55 | VerxHome | anyone here have a socket CF wireless adapter? |
| 19:19:28 | ntropy | VerxHome: yep |
| 19:21:07 | ntropy | VerxHome: do you have a quandry about it? |
| 19:21:47 | VerxHome | yes, I do |
| 19:21:48 | VerxHome | sorry |
| 19:21:58 | VerxHome | have you ever tested to see how long you can run it? |
| 19:21:59 | kergoth | wooott |
| 19:22:12 | kergoth | VerxHome: wireless works in 2.4.7, read to test? ;-) |
| 19:22:12 | VerxHome | ntropy: do you run OZ or sharp rom |
| 19:22:17 | ntropy | sharp |
| 19:22:31 | VerxHome | ntropy: and where did you get the driver for the socket card |
| 19:22:44 | ntropy | VerxHome: the driver was in the 2.37 rom |
| 19:22:46 | VerxHome | kergoth: Where do I get the zImage, and can you make me one that is zImage-32? |
| 19:22:52 | ntropy | it's a prism2 card |
| 19:22:55 | ntropy | the netgear ma701 |
| 19:22:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: ah yeah, hold |
| 19:23:06 | nazarma | hi any one know a good 802.11b adaptor for the zaurus and where i can buy it? |
| 19:23:22 | ntropy | VerxHome: it doesnt have great distance, but thats because it's lower power and has a small antenna |
| 19:23:22 | VerxHome | ntropy: So you bought a netgear card, but it is the low power socket card underneath the label? |
| 19:23:39 | ntropy | VerxHome: um, no. |
| 19:23:49 | ntropy | it's not the socketcom card |
| 19:23:55 | VerxHome | ok |
| 19:23:58 | VerxHome | that is what I was asking |
| 19:24:03 | ntropy | ohhh |
| 19:24:08 | ntropy | my mistake |
| 19:24:10 | VerxHome | I was trying to find out who had the socket wireless CF card |
| 19:24:10 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:24:18 | ntropy | oh |
| 19:24:27 | ntropy | i got ya. |
| 19:24:37 | VerxHome | but you say the netgear is low power? |
| 19:24:43 | VerxHome | do you know what its specs are? |
| 19:24:47 | ntropy | well, lower than a pcmcia card |
| 19:25:19 | ntropy | VerxHome: not off hand, but i'll look |
| 19:25:41 | mark | warmi: ping |
| 19:26:08 | ntropy | Zeroth: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 19:26:12 | ntropy | el. |
| 19:26:19 | ntropy | thats for VerxHome |
| 19:27:09 | kergoth | VerxHome: okay the -32 is building, and it'll be in http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/2.4.7/ |
| 19:27:17 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 19:27:20 | VerxHome | thankya |
| 19:27:37 | kergoth | np, i'll alter the sdmmc package to make it force the module load so it'll work |
| 19:27:56 | VerxHome | oh wait |
| 19:28:14 | VerxHome | I am gonna have to do a HUGE ipkg update/upgrade aren't I |
| 19:28:35 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:28:36 | kergoth | nope |
| 19:28:47 | kergoth | just flash the new kernel and install the new kernel-modules package |
| 19:28:56 | kergoth | and the new sdmmc that i'm about to build |
| 19:29:01 | VerxHome | okie |
| 19:29:06 | ljp_work | I hope you grabbed the cvs changes for today |
| 19:29:14 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:29:26 | ljp_work | for this date, I should say |
| 19:29:31 | ljp_work | transferserver |
| 19:29:43 | ljp_work | try that out |
| 19:29:44 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:29:53 | kergoth | right now my builds are using the backrev'd code |
| 19:29:58 | VerxHome | ntropy: Ok, yeah, that card is pretty bad on power |
| 19:30:01 | VerxHome | it is 300ma |
| 19:30:03 | kergoth | i'll build one with current and test syncing |
| 19:30:04 | VerxHome | the socket is 20ma |
| 19:30:26 | kergoth | thats 20ma idle right? |
| 19:30:37 | VerxHome | yes |
| 19:30:53 | VerxHome | the netgear spec page says 300ma continuous |
| 19:31:22 | ntropy | VerxHome: yeah, it's not great |
| 19:31:29 | VerxHome | this SMC CF wireless card is 350mA transmit, RX is 250mA, and "power save mode" is 150mA |
| 19:31:32 | ntropy | VerxHome: but it's cheaper |
| 19:31:32 | TheMasterMind1 | im back! |
| 19:31:38 | ntropy | VerxHome: and i can charge my Z every night |
| 19:31:40 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:31:40 | VerxHome | so its idle is half that of the netgear |
| 19:31:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kismet is screwy |
| 19:31:46 | angry | its me, and im in debian now :) |
| 19:31:49 | angry | i decided on icewm |
| 19:31:52 | VerxHome | ntropy: What did you pay for the netgear? |
| 19:32:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i just walked around my neighborhood and it only picked one ap up (just one packet) and then like stopped picking up anythingmore |
| 19:32:11 | TheMasterMind1 | angry icewm? use fluxbox |
| 19:32:13 | TheMasterMind1 | flux owns all |
| 19:32:14 | ntropy | VerxHome: $119 with a $20 mail in rebate |
| 19:32:16 | TheMasterMind1 | fluxbox.sf.net |
| 19:32:24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth sup |
| 19:32:24 | angry | TheMasterMind1: i got it and tried it |
| 19:32:29 | VerxHome | ntropy: Hrm. Yeah, the socket card (the 20mA one) is $119 |
| 19:32:33 | VerxHome | so I am just gonna get that |
| 19:32:39 | ntropy | VerxHome: it is? where? |
| 19:32:42 | VerxHome | this SMC one that is lower power than the netgear is only $80 |
| 19:32:45 | angry | is there a debian package for the zaurus? |
| 19:32:53 | VerxHome | and I could probably find it for less if I tried |
| 19:33:00 | TheMasterMind1 | angry heh |
| 19:33:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sounds like it wasnt hopping |
| 19:33:25 | angry | or a rpm? |
| 19:33:28 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome the socket card is 119? |
| 19:33:35 | angry | i'll generate a .deb package from an rpm if anyone wants it too |
| 19:33:36 | angry | heh |
| 19:33:40 | VerxHome | yeah, lemme find the URL |
| 19:33:41 | VerxHome | sec |
| 19:33:44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth well, i came all the way to my house and my room and it didn't pickup my ap. then i quit and restarted kismet and it did |
| 19:33:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: odd |
| 19:34:09 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 19:34:10 | TheMasterMind1 | very |
| 19:34:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 2.4.7 works |
| 19:34:16 | extremis | themastermind1: I had the same problem with 0904's drivers |
| 19:34:17 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 19:34:18 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 19:34:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: with the jffs2 from 2.4.19 |
| 19:34:20 | TheMasterMind1 | with the new jffs? |
| 19:34:22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:34:39 | extremis | kergoth, building an image? |
| 19:34:40 | TheMasterMind1 | extremis 0904? |
| 19:34:41 | | Red Hat's package management system. URL: http://www.rpm.org/ |
| 19:34:41 | angry | ibot, rpm |
| 19:34:42 | TheMasterMind1 | the opie build from 04? |
| 19:34:46 | kergoth | extremis: the drivers in OZ havent changed in some time. |
| 19:34:46 | | angry: excuse me? |
| 19:34:46 | angry | ibot, deb |
| 19:34:49 | | angry: huh? |
| 19:34:49 | angry | ibot, drier |
| 19:34:51 | | hmmm... driver is A driver is software that works to communicate between an operating system and a peripheral. Think of it as a translator. If you use a crappy driver, your OS won't understand your video card and may become unstable and crash. Hardware manufacturers constantly update drivers to make them faster and more stable. |
| 19:34:51 | angry | ibot, driver |
| 19:34:59 | angry | grr |
| 19:35:06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth so how do i get this opie thing to compile.. i have to do ./configure then make then ./configure again? |
| 19:35:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: easier way |
| 19:35:21 | TheMasterMind1 | ..? |
| 19:35:31 | extremis | hrmph, new initrd |
| 19:35:32 | angry | is there a tutorial for the zaurus on linux? |
| 19:35:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ./configure, cp libopie/otimepickerbase.h include/opie/; make |
| 19:35:39 | junxster | kergoth's convertin the crow users from the mailin' list.. |
| 19:35:40 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:35:42 | TheMasterMind1 | there's another file too |
| 19:35:44 | kergoth | junxster: hehe |
| 19:35:45 | TheMasterMind1 | but that works |
| 19:35:49 | kergoth | junxster: couldnt help myself ;-) |
| 19:35:54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth you released a new initrd? |
| 19:36:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not yet, people want one though due to opie improvements |
| 19:36:09 | VerxHome | http://www.amatteroffax.com/item.asp?INVID=480325&SRC=srcPriceGrabber |
| 19:36:10 | VerxHome | there ya go |
| 19:36:12 | VerxHome | I was wrong |
| 19:36:14 | VerxHome | $129 |
| 19:36:16 | VerxHome | sorry |
| 19:36:23 | VerxHome | not a bad price tho |
| 19:36:23 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:36:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth is that whole issue with suspend/resume and cf actually fixed or not |
| 19:36:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its mutated |
| 19:36:44 | angry | where can i find something to share my connection with my Z on linux |
| 19:36:48 | junxster | we need an un-biased comparison of all the dists. i like the idea of the regular sharp rom, but with /home on an SD |
| 19:36:51 | ntropy | Idle: < 25mA, Transmission: 170 - 280mA |
| 19:36:59 | ntropy | it's the same on transmit |
| 19:37:13 | VerxHome | yes |
| 19:37:13 | ntropy | and the netgear is 100mA idle |
| 19:37:15 | kergoth | junxster: of course i advocate mine, but thats primarily because of the flexibility you're given. |
| 19:37:18 | VerxHome | but you don't transmit continuous |
| 19:37:20 | kergoth | junxster: ;-) |
| 19:37:22 | junxster | :) |
| 19:37:28 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/opie# cp libopie/oclickablelabel.h include/opie/ |
| 19:37:28 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: `libopie/oclickablelabel.h' and `include/opie/oclickablelabel.h' are the same file |
| 19:37:30 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 19:37:34 | ntropy | i'v got a script on my Z that just turns the card off |
| 19:37:44 | ntropy | so it's off when i'm not using it, 0mA |
| 19:37:48 | zacs | hey, i havent used my zaurus 5000d in about 6 months. can someone tell me where i can grab a recent rom? |
| 19:37:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ntropy what card? |
| 19:37:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: um, thats the wrong file |
| 19:37:59 | ntropy | TheMasterMind1: netgear ma701 |
| 19:38:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you need otimepickerbase.h, not the rest |
| 19:38:22 | TheMasterMind1 | In file included from otimepicker.cpp:1: |
| 19:38:22 | TheMasterMind1 | otimepicker.h:9: opie/oclickablelabel.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:38:22 | TheMasterMind1 | otimepicker.h:10: opie/otimepickerbase.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:38:25 | VerxHome | ntropy: How long can you use it before the battery dies tho |
| 19:38:28 | VerxHome | that is the question |
| 19:38:29 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:38:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i get an error on that one too |
| 19:38:31 | kergoth | VerxHome: whew, okay, http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/2.4.7/ .. grab the zImage-32 |
| 19:38:39 | VerxHome | kergoth: Will do |
| 19:38:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sounds like you didnt run configure. |
| 19:38:39 | ntropy | VerxHome: dont know yet, havent test it |
| 19:38:50 | kergoth | VerxHome: the kernel modules package is there too, grab that |
| 19:38:53 | ntropy | VerxHome: probably as long as i'll need in a day |
| 19:39:03 | VerxHome | well |
| 19:39:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: (note: install the kenrel modules package before flashing the kernel, then itll be happy when it boots) |
| 19:39:19 | VerxHome | ntropy: I would just prefer to spend the extra couple bucks to have the super low power |
| 19:39:19 | ntropy | what are you planning on doing via 802.11b? |
| 19:39:28 | ntropy | VerxHome: true true |
| 19:39:28 | VerxHome | kergoth: Okie |
| 19:39:37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth so what else is fixed in 2.4.7 ? |
| 19:39:45 | VerxHome | ntropy: irc primarily - that and occasional web/email |
| 19:39:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not much changed from 6 to 7 |
| 19:39:50 | VerxHome | irc being irc/icq |
| 19:39:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:39:58 | TheMasterMind1 | is it in the cvs etc now? |
| 19:39:59 | ntropy | VerxHome: a lot? |
| 19:39:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the main improvmenet is just the new jffs2, cause the switch made that easier |
| 19:40:00 | TheMasterMind1 | patches and mk |
| 19:40:02 | VerxHome | kergoth: I am gonna need about 10 minutes to get that kernel in |
| 19:40:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no, not yet, i have to commit it yet |
| 19:40:07 | kergoth | VerxHome: k |
| 19:40:08 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:40:15 | TheMasterMind1 | im going to get opie/qt working |
| 19:40:16 | TheMasterMind1 | and then do konq |
| 19:40:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ask oliver about the konq build |
| 19:40:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: (Groucho in #opie) |
| 19:40:38 | TheMasterMind1 | we can release a new opie with 2.4.7 and opie/qt and some qte based apps hopefully tonight |
| 19:40:45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what about it am i asking? |
| 19:40:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we need more testing in 2.4.7 first. |
| 19:40:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you're asking about the build commands, so you dont have to figure them out |
| 19:41:11 | TheMasterMind1 | ok then we can do a 2.4.6 kernel and a 2.4.7 testing version |
| 19:41:16 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:41:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, groucho isn't there |
| 19:41:37 | kergoth | we already have a fine 2.4.6 kernel, on sf.. i'll keep 2.4.7 in the sf web space |
| 19:41:48 | JasonNJ | suck |
| 19:41:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:41:54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ? |
| 19:41:57 | TheMasterMind1 | new jffs is good though |
| 19:42:00 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:42:19 | JasonNJ | 2.4.7? |
| 19:42:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i still can't figure out why ./configure is like being fed the "make[2]: Entering directory /home/zaurus..." and it is trying to use each word as a path and accessing <word>/Makefile |
| 19:42:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah, because the jffs2 from 2.4.19 dependend on something they added in 2.4.7 |
| 19:42:50 | TheMasterMind1 | its so freaking weird |
| 19:42:55 | JasonNJ | ah ha. |
| 19:42:57 | angry | how do i use my Z with linux? |
| 19:43:00 | angry | what apps are there |
| 19:43:00 | KallDrexx | Woudl it be bad to make my only CF card ext2? |
| 19:43:08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: and i knew switching from 2.4.6 to 2.4.7 would be a piece of cake |
| 19:43:08 | TheMasterMind1 | the output of make is being redirected into the ./configure or something |
| 19:43:12 | JasonNJ | um |
| 19:43:28 | JasonNJ | oh, so we are gonna roll out a 2.4.7 based OZ? |
| 19:43:29 | TheMasterMind1 | angry via usb? |
| 19:43:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I think the existing binary sd module will still work too if we force it in |
| 19:43:35 | angry | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 19:43:45 | TheMasterMind1 | angry you'll have to recompile your kernel :D |
| 19:43:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: well, i want more testing first, but i'm willing to roll this out just to get a more stable jffs2 until we switch to 2.4.19 |
| 19:43:58 | angry | whaaa? |
| 19:44:17 | JasonNJ | is it worth getting sidetracked with 2.4.7 if we are so close to porting 2.4.19? |
| 19:44:18 | angry | why's that? :) |
| 19:44:27 | kergoth | JasonNJ: theres' no sidetracking, its done |
| 19:44:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I spent about an hour or two |
| 19:44:38 | JasonNJ | oh? |
| 19:44:38 | JasonNJ | cool. |
| 19:44:38 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ because we're not close.. we haven't even started on 2.4.19 |
| 19:44:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: heh |
| 19:44:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 2.5.latest->2.4.19 will be easy, no worries |
| 19:44:52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:44:56 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.5 is still a pain |
| 19:45:02 | JasonNJ | mastermind: kergoth has done a lot of work on 2.4.19 |
| 19:45:03 | TheMasterMind1 | and will take a while |
| 19:45:13 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ no, he's done work on 2.5.latest |
| 19:45:22 | TheMasterMind1 | but apparently backporting is easy |
| 19:45:57 | | groucho was last seen on #opie 6 hours, 29 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: cu [Fri Sep 6 14:16:39 2002] |
| 19:45:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen groucho |
| 19:46:49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:46:58 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going to have to do something really icky in BinaryCmds to make opie compile |
| 19:47:17 | TheMasterMind1 | echo -e "diff\npatch\nblahblah" | patch -p1 |
| 19:49:53 | Harlekin | could anybody on the Z do a cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/uuid |
| 19:49:55 | Harlekin | please |
| 19:50:02 | kergoth | extremis: i just upgraded all of opie from the feed, *with opie running*, with no problems ;-) |
| 19:50:09 | kergoth | extremis: odd |
| 19:50:23 | kergoth | extremis: well my build ist arted to build a new initrd, i'll let you know when its done |
| 19:50:41 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I did the same yesterday and it works fine, it just doesn't work fine when you do it from an old version such as the one from the initrd |
| 19:51:40 | benmeyer | See you all in a week |
| 19:51:47 | benmeyer | I am heading to Intel's expo |
| 19:51:48 | benmeyer | later |
| 19:51:57 | kergoth | have fun |
| 19:51:57 | VerxHome | see ya benmeyer! |
| 19:52:05 | treke | man thats gotta suck |
| 19:52:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:52:14 | extremis | kergoth: thank you |
| 19:52:18 | erikd | jeez |
| 19:52:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:52:28 | erikd | i wanna work for sharp and go to all those fun expos! |
| 19:52:29 | TheMasterMind1 | watches opie compile |
| 19:52:32 | erikd | :) |
| 19:52:39 | treke | hates having to travel |
| 19:52:46 | Microdim | what is the command to turn a file into a shell script? |
| 19:53:00 | kergoth | Microdim: there is no such command |
| 19:53:02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how can i install a debian package to a certain dir like my home dir |
| 19:53:08 | kergoth | Microdim: a shell scdript is a text file with a #!/bin/sh in the top of it |
| 19:53:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: why? |
| 19:53:17 | erikd | microdim: you can add #!/bin/sh on the first line and chmod it 755 to make it executable |
| 19:53:20 | erikd | yeah |
| 19:53:20 | erikd | that |
| 19:53:21 | Onyx4 | maybe he's talking about chmod 755 |
| 19:53:25 | Microdim | thank you |
| 19:53:32 | extremis | I'm just talking about shaft |
| 19:53:43 | treke | kergoth: dpkg -x foo.deb dir |
| 19:53:47 | treke | er TheMasterMind1 : |
| 19:54:06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i don't want ot create an /opt etc etc on my school comps |
| 19:54:32 | treke | TheMasterMind1: that will extract it, but you cant "install" it anywhere but where it wants to be |
| 19:54:37 | JasonNJ | well, have a good weekend guys. I am off to the inlaws for the holidays. |
| 19:54:50 | JasonNJ | heartburn city. |
| 19:55:06 | kergoth | Harlekin: um, its random, which one do you want? |
| 19:55:23 | kergoth | Harlekin: 08be44c6-78e2-4311-8530-75c7f94f15fb is one |
| 19:55:34 | kergoth | Harlekin: thats from the second time i cat'd it. heh |
| 19:57:05 | Harlekin | kergoth: so its a uuid |
| 19:57:17 | Harlekin | sitting here with zecke end thinking how to get rid of libuuid |
| 19:57:25 | VerxHome | anyone here have a lot of experience with ebay? |
| 19:57:29 | Microdim | when i do chmod 755 ifcfg-usb() it give me an unexpected token error |
| 19:57:40 | kergoth | Harlekin: (note: i have no idea what a uuid is) |
| 19:57:54 | Harlekin | kergoth: thats that fu*** depend we have in launcher |
| 19:57:55 | Harlekin | ,.-) |
| 19:58:00 | Harlekin | unique user id |
| 19:58:05 | Onyx4 | Microdim: don't use () use 0 (zero) |
| 19:58:22 | Microdim | ok thank you |
| 20:00:13 | ToyKeeper | Hmm.. prpplague back yet? |
| 20:00:24 | ToyKeeper | ... |
| 20:00:31 | | prpplague was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 hours, 42 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: sorphin: morning [Fri Sep 6 14:17:47 2002] |
| 20:00:31 | Onyx4 | ibot: seen prpplague |
| 20:01:44 | treke | looks for tuxscreens on ebay |
| 20:01:54 | ToyKeeper | I think he's got something I want... |
| 20:02:38 | ToyKeeper | I'm too exxy for my zaurus, too Xy for my Zaurus... so xy it hurts! |
| 20:03:16 | Onyx4 | what is a good CF reader for linux that works fine? |
| 20:03:28 | kergoth | most of them |
| 20:03:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:03:37 | ToyKeeper | I'm too exxy for my Qt, too Xy for opie! D'oh. Anyway. |
| 20:04:13 | Onyx4 | mmm well when I look in the usb database, most of them say experimental or have problems |
| 20:04:16 | Onyx4 | maybe its outdated |
| 20:04:23 | kergoth | Onyx4: most use usb-storage |
| 20:04:36 | kergoth | Onyx4: that driver has a couple bugs, but for the most part works |
| 20:04:39 | Onyx4 | so if I get like the new sandisk reader it should work? |
| 20:04:49 | kergoth | i use a sandisk cf reader myself |
| 20:04:53 | TheMasterMind1 | treke hmm when i do dpkg -x it make the same directory structure and all as when i apt-get install it right? |
| 20:04:59 | TheMasterMind1 | just inside that directory |
| 20:05:30 | Onyx4 | what model you have kergoth |
| 20:05:39 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/include/qpe/resource.h', needed by `keyboard.o'. Stop. |
| 20:05:44 | KallDrexx | is there any problem with reformating a CF to msdos and then flashing? |
| 20:06:02 | ntropy | KallDrexx: flashing it? |
| 20:06:10 | KallDrexx | to flash the z |
| 20:06:15 | kergoth | KallDrexx: the card is supposed to be fat16 to flash the z |
| 20:06:19 | kergoth | KallDrexx: so thats fine |
| 20:06:23 | mutexer | the thing to flash the sharp rom said the filesystem had to be Fat 16 |
| 20:06:28 | Onyx4 | is it the SanDisk SDDR-31-07? |
| 20:06:45 | KallDrexx | kergoth: ah ok good. cause i want to format my CF to ext2 so i can install stuff on it, then format to msdos if i need to flash |
| 20:07:05 | kergoth | Onyx4: mine is a SDDR-31 on the sticker on it |
| 20:07:16 | Onyx4 | ok it must be that one |
| 20:08:00 | | somebody said transcode was a linux video processing tool that can be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. see http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt or talk to Onyx4 for any problems/questions. |
| 20:08:00 | KcsZ | ibot transcode |
| 20:08:46 | KallDrexx | ok how do I make it so that I don't care about the RSA key for ssh? I reflashed since I sshed last time and now it won't let me because of hte key |
| 20:09:14 | TheMasterMind1 | vim ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 20:09:14 | kergoth | KallDrexx: edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts and remove the entry for the Z's ip |
| 20:09:16 | TheMasterMind1 | delete the entry |
| 20:09:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:09:27 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 20:09:27 | sjohnson | KallDrexx: You need to remove the host key from your desktop know_hosts files |
| 20:10:05 | KallDrexx | ah ok |
| 20:12:16 | TheMasterMind1 | gah! |
| 20:12:17 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 20:12:28 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/bin/ld: main.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 40) |
| 20:12:40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: why are you calling standard ld when crosscompiling? |
| 20:12:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heck if i know |
| 20:12:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it should be calling /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld |
| 20:13:00 | kergoth | iric |
| 20:13:01 | kergoth | iirc |
| 20:14:02 | kergoth | anyone else wanna test 2.4.7 for me? (note: IrDA does *not* work yet) |
| 20:14:11 | kergoth | i want to get done with this crap and get back to the real work |
| 20:14:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:14:28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth why doesn't libopie/otimepickerbase.h exist after a make clean |
| 20:14:50 | TheMasterMind1 | does ./configure make it? |
| 20:14:55 | kergoth | because its generated |
| 20:14:55 | kergoth | no |
| 20:14:56 | kergoth | make does |
| 20:14:58 | treke | TheMasterMind1: uic |
| 20:15:03 | TheMasterMind1 | then when do i cp it? |
| 20:15:07 | kergoth | or rather, make calls uic to generate it |
| 20:15:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:15:13 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i do this then |
| 20:15:17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: carefully |
| 20:15:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 20:15:18 | TheMasterMind1 | make it twice in the mk ? |
| 20:15:19 | treke | TheMasterMind1: Probably comes from a qt-designer file |
| 20:15:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah. ./configure, then make, then cp, then make? |
| 20:15:31 | TheMasterMind1 | how icky |
| 20:15:35 | kergoth | treke: yeah, we shouldnt use .ui's in libopie or library/ |
| 20:15:42 | kergoth | treke: cause they dont exist at ./configure time |
| 20:15:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:15:48 | TheMasterMind1 | can i generate that file specifically? |
| 20:16:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: take a look at the command it uses when it calls uic |
| 20:16:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: run make and log it |
| 20:16:36 | TheMasterMind1 | where is teh command.. |
| 20:16:41 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:16:49 | kergoth | amongst the rest of the commands. grep is your frend |
| 20:16:50 | TheMasterMind1 | where does it call uic |
| 20:17:15 | TheMasterMind1 | uic is mentioned like a million times |
| 20:17:24 | kergoth | yeah, because its called a million times |
| 20:17:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:17:56 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/opie/libopie# make otimepickerbase.h |
| 20:18:01 | TheMasterMind1 | /home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/qtopia-sdk/qt-2.3.3/bin/uic otimepickerbase.ui -o ./otimepickerbase.h |
| 20:18:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i can just make in libopie/ first |
| 20:18:10 | kergoth | heh, there ya go |
| 20:18:11 | TheMasterMind1 | then copy |
| 20:18:30 | KallDrexx | can I get vim somewhere for the Z? |
| 20:18:36 | kergoth | yeah, ./configure, make the header, copy the header, and make the rest of it |
| 20:19:53 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 20:19:53 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for vim |
| 20:19:57 | | vim 6.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=388 |
| 20:19:57 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for vim |
| 20:28:20 | Onyx4 | mmm to buy or not to buy this 512mb compact flash card for 140$ shipped |
| 20:28:34 | Neo|Work | to buy if you have the money and would use it. :) |
| 20:28:39 | Neo|Work | I wish it had 2xCF |
| 20:28:48 | Neo|Work | would be way better than CF+SD |
| 20:28:57 | Onyx4 | well I have the money the question is will I really use it, I already have a 256mb |
| 20:28:57 | treke | hehe |
| 20:29:31 | Onyx4 | the nice thing is that I can store a movie, couple of mp3s, lots of stuff without swapping the card around |
| 20:29:46 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i'd be happy with a sd slot htat took advantage of all the data lines.. myself.. |
| 20:29:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:29:51 | Neo|Work | true |
| 20:30:11 | Onyx4 | because at that price it's a steal, i dont think it'll ever go down that low for a little while |
| 20:30:30 | Onyx4 | they sell a 256mb for 65$ too |
| 20:30:40 | Onyx4 | wish I had not bought my 256mb already, I would have gone directly to 512 |
| 20:31:16 | Neo|Work | only issue other than speed with SD is cost |
| 20:31:33 | alex1241551`4 | Onyx4: where is that price? what site? |
| 20:31:40 | Onyx4 | http://www.bensbargains.net/ktalk/1031292529,96659,.shtml |
| 20:31:46 | alex1241551`4 | Onyx4: thanks |
| 20:31:48 | Onyx4 | on amazon.com with mail-in rebate and instant coupon |
| 20:32:11 | TheMasterMind1 | /opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib/libqte.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 20:32:11 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 20:32:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kicks this poc's ass |
| 20:32:36 | Onyx4 | im gonna buy the sandisk CF reader sddr-31 as well, it's only 20$ |
| 20:32:50 | treke | TheMasterMind1: sounds like your using x86 gcc with arm libs |
| 20:32:59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea it is |
| 20:33:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont use /opt/Qtopia at all in your builds from the buildroot. |
| 20:33:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm doing it by hand |
| 20:33:14 | TheMasterMind1 | to see if that works |
| 20:33:20 | Onyx4 | does the Z take advantage of the CF speeds like 8x 16x and all that stuff? |
| 20:33:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ofontmenu.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
| 20:33:37 | TheMasterMind1 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:33:43 | TheMasterMind1 | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: ofontmenu.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 3) |
| 20:33:51 | TheMasterMind1 | when i do make in libopie/ from opie.mk |
| 20:34:47 | TheMasterMind1 | BZFlag hey |
| 20:34:58 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 20:35:10 | Onyx4 | well what the heck, I bought it :) |
| 20:35:24 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 ? |
| 20:35:30 | Onyx4 | the 512mb cf card for 140$ |
| 20:35:34 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:35:38 | TheMasterMind1 | that's cheap |
| 20:35:39 | TheMasterMind1 | whre is this? |
| 20:35:42 | Onyx4 | hell yeah |
| 20:35:48 | Onyx4 | look couple of lines above |
| 20:35:49 | TheMasterMind1 | wasn't someone about to pay 400 for it the other day? |
| 20:36:08 | kergoth | no that was verx, he's getting hte 512mb SD, not cf |
| 20:36:28 | Onyx4 | yeah, I have 64mb sd, I wish I had a bit more for my apps too |
| 20:36:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:36:37 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure if that viking will work right |
| 20:36:42 | TheMasterMind1 | someone said they were having viking problems |
| 20:36:44 | Onyx4 | maybe I can sell my 256mb card |
| 20:36:51 | Onyx4 | I don't think I'll use it now that I have 512 |
| 20:36:52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth oh ok |
| 20:37:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Packaged contents of /home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/ipktmp into ./opie_20020906-1a_arm.ipk |
| 20:37:10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:37:19 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i stop it from making ipks |
| 20:37:30 | kergoth | rootfsmode=none iirc |
| 20:37:32 | kergoth | er actually |
| 20:37:38 | kergoth | i mean |
| 20:37:41 | kergoth | rootinstallmode=rootfs |
| 20:37:44 | kergoth | thats the correct one |
| 20:37:45 | kergoth | put that in yoru .mk |
| 20:37:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 20:37:51 | treke | hmmm, looks like Harlekin and zecke figured out how to dump libuuid |
| 20:37:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i remember seeing that |
| 20:40:21 | TheMasterMind1 | libuuid? |
| 20:40:57 | Harlekin | treke: yeah |
| 20:40:58 | Harlekin | .) |
| 20:41:09 | Harlekin | treke: btw, some wrongpaintings in scale mode |
| 20:41:12 | treke | cool. one less dependency to worry about tonight :) |
| 20:41:27 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:41:31 | Harlekin | treke: and the lineedits in config dialog are a bit too long |
| 20:41:38 | treke | Harlekin: oh? Its missdrawing things? |
| 20:41:43 | TheMasterMind1 | thinks its actually going to compile this time |
| 20:41:44 | Harlekin | treke: in 4x scale |
| 20:41:48 | Harlekin | treke: i moved a console |
| 20:41:52 | Harlekin | treke: konsole |
| 20:42:00 | Harlekin | treke: it was double then with an offset |
| 20:42:08 | treke | Harlekin: I will take a look at that tonight. I'm working on speeding it up a bit. |
| 20:42:09 | KcsZ | Harlekin: when will be released a fixed version of op2? |
| 20:42:23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth does the template arm-linux-strip automatically? |
| 20:42:27 | TheMasterMind1 | automagically :D |
| 20:42:34 | Harlekin | KcsZ: ? |
| 20:42:52 | Harlekin | regarding what? |
| 20:43:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 20:43:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:43:27 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its working |
| 20:43:31 | KcsZ | Harlekin: i mean final version |
| 20:43:31 | TheMasterMind1 | how long does opie take to compile |
| 20:43:33 | TheMasterMind1 | on a 366mh |
| 20:43:34 | TheMasterMind1 | z |
| 20:43:54 | kergoth | quite a while |
| 20:43:54 | treke | TheMasterMind1: a long time |
| 20:44:14 | TheMasterMind1 | how about a 1600+ amd? |
| 20:44:56 | treke | guesses 30-40 minutes |
| 20:45:24 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 20:45:31 | TheMasterMind1 | that's a long time |
| 20:45:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i can compile a kernel in less than 10 |
| 20:46:14 | treke | I think it was 30 minutes for Opie and 2.5 for a kernel |
| 20:46:16 | kergoth | opie isnt a kernel |
| 20:46:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:46:31 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 20:46:37 | TheMasterMind1 | i should not do it on this crapbox then |
| 20:47:21 | treke | compiling opie aways makes me want to upgrade my system :) |
| 20:47:57 | TheMasterMind1 | how about a dual 1700+ ? |
| 20:48:01 | Onyx4 | mmm a 512mb CF formatted = 487MB |
| 20:48:12 | treke | TheMasterMind1: probably 30-40 minutes :) |
| 20:48:21 | TheMasterMind1 | ! |
| 20:48:27 | TheMasterMind1 | but its a DUAL 1700+ !! |
| 20:48:32 | TheMasterMind1 | wow, that's insane |
| 20:48:46 | treke | the 30 minute figure is from a dual 1.2 ( I think) |
| 20:49:19 | treke | and a 1700 is around 1.4 or 1.5 ghz |
| 20:50:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:51:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm commited what i have to so far to cvs so i can setup on the 1600 |
| 20:51:28 | | okay, Onyx4. |
| 20:51:28 | Onyx4 | ibot: cf is also see http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/default.asp |
| 20:53:33 | Harlekin | KcsZ: 4 weeks |
| 20:54:05 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I just bought a 512mb CF :) |
| 20:54:30 | Onyx4 | 140$ |
| 20:54:33 | KcsZ | Harlekin: ok op2 is very cool!! |
| 20:54:35 | Harlekin | Onyx4: so now movies with even better qual? |
| 20:54:44 | Harlekin | Onyx4: but the qual was food emough |
| 20:54:49 | Onyx4 | yes, I'm hoping to keep sound at 48 or 41khz stereo at 128kbit |
| 20:54:54 | Harlekin | 3 h in 240 km |
| 20:54:57 | Harlekin | Onyx4: hmmm |
| 20:55:01 | Onyx4 | I love sound quality |
| 20:55:04 | KcsZ | Harlekin: i upgraded the rom only for op2 |
| 20:55:07 | Harlekin | that should not change filesizemuch |
| 20:55:13 | Harlekin | KcsZ: ? |
| 20:55:19 | Harlekin | KcsZ: it should run on retail rom |
| 20:55:33 | KcsZ | Harlekin: i installed oz for op |
| 20:55:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:55:49 | Onyx4 | that's a good move anyway :) but it should have worked on the sharp rom |
| 20:55:57 | | socket is Normally, it's where your limbs are attached to, as in "I'm going to rip your arm out of the socket." In network speak, a socket is composed of an IP address and a port number. For example, a socket could be "206.119.148.38 port 80." See also TCP/IP and ports. |
| 20:55:57 | VerxHome | ibot, socket |
| 20:56:09 | | VerxHome: sorry... |
| 20:56:09 | VerxHome | ibot, socket wireless |
| 20:56:09 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:56:11 | | it has been said that wireless is a pain in the @$$ to get working. or http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 20:56:11 | VerxHome | ibot, wireless |
| 20:56:20 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 20:56:24 | TheMasterMind1 | wireless is so easy to setup |
| 20:56:27 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 20:56:32 | Onyx4 | that's old stuff |
| 20:56:34 | VerxHome | couple pieces of info for ya |
| 20:56:35 | Onyx4 | should be changed |
| 20:56:53 | VerxHome | kergoth: It booted, and the modules loaded |
| 20:57:00 | | mplayer 0.90pre5 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=353 |
| 20:57:00 | KallDrexx | ibot search zsi for mplayer |
| 20:57:00 | VerxHome | kergoth: Everything seemed fine |
| 20:57:11 | | Onyx4: I forgot wireless |
| 20:57:11 | Onyx4 | ibot forget wireless |
| 20:57:12 | VerxHome | kergoth: But I am taking my wife on a date tonight |
| 20:57:21 | VerxHome | kergoth: So I reverted back to my previous image |
| 20:57:29 | kergoth | hehe. have a good time, i'm glad it didnt explode during your short usage |
| 20:57:56 | TheMasterMind1 | Mailing openzaurus-cvslogs@lists.sf.net... |
| 20:57:59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:58:06 | VerxHome | kergoth: I am having a large lan party tomorrow |
| 20:58:16 | VerxHome | kergoth: But I should be able to take alook at it on Sunday |
| 20:58:25 | VerxHome | kergoth: A much more extensive look mind you. :) |
| 20:58:30 | kergoth | VerxHome: okay thats cool. if i dont see you on irc, just drop me a mail |
| 20:58:35 | VerxHome | will do |
| 20:58:37 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 20:58:37 | Onyx4 | ibot wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 20:58:38 | VerxHome | kergoth: The other thing |
| 20:58:45 | | rumour has it wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 20:58:45 | Onyx4 | ibot: wireless |
| 20:58:53 | kergoth | VerxHome: i'll get a updated sdmmc package in the testing/2.4.7/ area shortly |
| 20:59:09 | VerxHome | kergoth: I have $450 coming to me from ebay now. So unless these people fail to come up with money, you will be getting that MMC. And even if they don't, I will likely send it to ya |
| 20:59:09 | VerxHome | :) |
| 20:59:26 | kergoth | thanks :-) |
| 20:59:30 | VerxHome | np |
| 20:59:31 | Onyx4 | what size? |
| 20:59:35 | VerxHome | thank YOU man |
| 20:59:40 | VerxHome | Onyx4: 64MB |
| 20:59:43 | VerxHome | not huge |
| 20:59:43 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 20:59:45 | VerxHome | but at the time |
| 20:59:48 | VerxHome | it was the largest sold |
| 20:59:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth to add you have to do cvs add then cvs commit? |
| 20:59:50 | Onyx4 | like I have, fits plenty of stuff enough |
| 21:00:02 | Harlekin | Onyx4: send me a 512 cf too please .-) |
| 21:00:06 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 21:00:08 | VerxHome | Onyx4: Mine is totally full and has overflowed to my 256MB CF |
| 21:00:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 21:00:19 | Onyx4 | well now im not sure what to do with my 256mb :) |
| 21:00:28 | VerxHome | Harlekin: I shall be ordering a 512MB SD in a week |
| 21:00:33 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: hey i'm back |
| 21:01:13 | ToyKeeper | Spiff. |
| 21:01:25 | Onyx4 | do you guys mostly keep vfat on your CF or use ext2? |
| 21:01:43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth can you add / commit multiple at a time/ |
| 21:01:57 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: i'm about ot format it to ext2 |
| 21:02:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep. cvs add file1 file2 fil3; etc |
| 21:02:35 | KallDrexx | how do i format my cf (in linux) to ext2? |
| 21:02:50 | | sd is, like, an external storage media that can be used for applications and documents. Due to it's slow speed, it is not recommended for video/audio files. http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml see also CF |
| 21:02:50 | Onyx4 | ibot: sd |
| 21:02:54 | Onyx4 | look at that url |
| 21:03:54 | Harlekin | VerxHome: tnx |
| 21:03:55 | dlohin | I am back |
| 21:03:56 | Harlekin | helps me a lot .-) |
| 21:04:01 | Onyx4 | kergoth: why is the util-linux-fdisk package empty? |
| 21:04:06 | VerxHome | Harlekin: NO, it will help you |
| 21:04:09 | dlohin | w/ my card problems |
| 21:04:11 | Onyx4 | I don't have fdisk on OZ |
| 21:04:22 | kergoth | Onyx4: cause i keep forgetting to fix it |
| 21:04:23 | kergoth | Onyx4: hehe |
| 21:04:25 | VerxHome | Harlekin: There should be a fresh new set of bug reports related to it because I will be able to install EVERY SINGLE Zaurus app out there. :) |
| 21:04:27 | Onyx4 | ah !! |
| 21:04:29 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 21:05:58 | TheMasterMind1 | echo passw0rd | cvs -d:ext:themastermind1@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/openzaurus co -P buildroot-oz |
| 21:06:01 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 21:06:16 | dlohin | MY Cf card reader only works a few times on |
| 21:06:19 | dlohin | Linux |
| 21:06:26 | dlohin | and then never works again |
| 21:06:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: pasting your password into irc = bad |
| 21:06:40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 21:06:47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh |
| 21:07:11 | Harlekin | VerxHome: great |
| 21:07:15 | Harlekin | VerxHome: looking forward |
| 21:07:16 | Harlekin | .) |
| 21:07:25 | VerxHome | heheheh |
| 21:09:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:09:16 | TheMasterMind1 | sssooo sloww.. |
| 21:10:09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth did you have to copy uic into the QTDIR/bin when compiling qt? |
| 21:11:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, you need a x86 uic |
| 21:12:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: which is a pain, where are you gonna grab that? |
| 21:12:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:12:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i dunno.. i could assume that the person compiling has it setup and do a cp `which uic` QTDIR/bin |
| 21:12:31 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: if your wanting to know about oz-x, i'll be starting back work on sunday |
| 21:12:32 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what i doing right now |
| 21:13:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i also have to make tmake don't i? |
| 21:13:27 | TheMasterMind1 | all that stuff is usually already setup when you setup a toolchain/dev environment |
| 21:13:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: tmake comes with a binary ( or its shell or something) |
| 21:13:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: a lot of users wont have tmake |
| 21:13:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 21:13:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: tmake isnt a part of hte toolchain, not really |
| 21:13:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:14:03 | kergoth | niow x86 uic, thats valid, but we'll have to require the user to have qt 2.3.2 for x11 installed |
| 21:14:09 | kergoth | which will piss people off |
| 21:14:18 | kergoth | cause you cant have a uic from 2.3.2, and from 3.0 at the same time |
| 21:14:26 | kergoth | so it'll be a pain for pepople using kde3 |
| 21:14:41 | treke | kergoth: why not just supply one? |
| 21:15:00 | kergoth | thats an idea |
| 21:15:03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth also, i have to add -fpermissive on a certain line in the qt/e Makefile that defines CXXFLAGS .. what's the best way to do that? i can't use a patch since that line and the lines around it are dynamically generated based on the location of opie sources etc |
| 21:15:07 | kergoth | course it depends on libqutil |
| 21:15:11 | kergoth | so we'd have to provide a libqutil as well |
| 21:15:21 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 21:15:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hmm |
| 21:15:24 | treke | ok or maby not :) |
| 21:15:37 | TheMasterMind1 | if they want to compile the buildroot, they're going to have to do some work |
| 21:15:40 | kergoth | treke: our best bet would be to build a qt/x11 2.3.2 for x86 |
| 21:15:45 | kergoth | treke: to give us uic |
| 21:15:50 | KallDrexx | arg why wont' ipkg update work!!!!!!!! |
| 21:15:54 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:15:56 | TheMasterMind1 | qt/x11 2.3.2 for x86?!?! |
| 21:16:02 | TheMasterMind1 | that takes like HOURS to compile |
| 21:16:10 | TheMasterMind1 | for one binary! |
| 21:16:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we could probably just build qutil and uic |
| 21:16:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to get that -fpermissive flag into the makefile somehow |
| 21:16:34 | TheMasterMind1 | that's more important |
| 21:16:38 | treke | one very important binary :) |
| 21:16:40 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:16:42 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:16:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll worry about tmake/uic/qutil next |
| 21:16:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you seee why i never bothered adding qt and opie to the buildroot? |
| 21:17:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i knew it was gonn abe apain in the ass |
| 21:17:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh |
| 21:17:41 | TheMasterMind1 | its getting there |
| 21:17:45 | TheMasterMind1 | just small stuff left |
| 21:18:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: have you committed anything yet? for some reason i havent seen anything on the cvslogs list |
| 21:18:27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth my arm development script (that i got from the howto) sets up TMAKEPATH for me |
| 21:18:30 | KallDrexx | how do I format my cf card to ext2 in linux? |
| 21:18:41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i just committed some stuff, but its not usable yet |
| 21:18:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, but we dont wan tthe user to have to have the qtopia sdk |
| 21:19:30 | TheMasterMind1 | binutils-cross-arm_2.11.2-1_i386.deb glibc-arm_2.2.2-1_i386.deb qtopia-free_1.5.0-2_i386.deb |
| 21:19:30 | TheMasterMind1 | gcc-cross-sa1100_2.95.2-1_i386.deb linux-headers-arm-sa1100_2.4.6-4_i386.deb |
| 21:19:35 | TheMasterMind1 | those are the packages i installed |
| 21:19:38 | TheMasterMind1 | and i had tmake |
| 21:19:42 | kergoth | yes, i know. |
| 21:19:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:19:48 | kergoth | but we do *not* want the user to have to use that |
| 21:20:02 | kergoth | cause qtopia-free is redundant, they're building qt and opie |
| 21:20:04 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:20:05 | kergoth | which gives them that anyway |
| 21:20:06 | TheMasterMind1 | if you say so |
| 21:20:09 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 21:20:12 | TheMasterMind1 | that makes sense |
| 21:20:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i dont have qtopia-free installed. |
| 21:20:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i just extract tmake na dbuild qt and opie |
| 21:20:33 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:20:33 | treke | kergoth: You could just repackage qtopia-free into qte-tools |
| 21:20:37 | darwin | KallDrexx: http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml |
| 21:20:46 | KallDrexx | not on zaurus |
| 21:20:48 | KallDrexx | on regular linux |
| 21:20:51 | KallDrexx | is it the same? |
| 21:20:53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth alright i'll figure that out, but how do i add that one flag into that one line of that one file :d |
| 21:20:59 | | somebody said cf was used for network-like devices such as wireless or ethernet and can be used with compactflash media cards which are getting cheaper everyday. Excellent for audio/video files. or see http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/default.asp |
| 21:20:59 | ciaolinux | ibot: cf |
| 21:21:38 | | sd is an external storage media that can be used for applications and documents. Due to it's slow speed, it is not recommended for video/audio files. http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml see also CF |
| 21:21:38 | ciaolinux | ibot: sd |
| 21:21:42 | | ciaolinux: i'm not following you... |
| 21:21:42 | ciaolinux | ibot: wifi |
| 21:21:51 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 21:21:51 | Onyx4 | ibot wifi is see wireless |
| 21:22:01 | | i heard wifi was see wireless |
| 21:22:01 | ciaolinux | ibot: wifi |
| 21:22:10 | | somebody said wireless was The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 21:22:10 | ciaolinux | ibot: wireless |
| 21:22:10 | | i heard zaurus was at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 21:22:10 | SirPsycho | ibot: zaurus |
| 21:22:15 | ciaolinux | thanks Onyx4 :-) |
| 21:22:33 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 21:22:42 | TheMasterMind1 | the closest thing to sex i can get in the palm of my hand |
| 21:22:42 | TheMasterMind1 | hahah |
| 21:23:26 | DrXXXXwrk | hehe |
| 21:25:09 | kergoth | i have 2424 unread mails in my lkml box |
| 21:25:11 | kergoth | sighs |
| 21:25:13 | darienm | kergoth: Did you know that if you remove libvolumeapplet.so from the plugins/applets directory, then screen taps are ACTIVE by default ?? |
| 21:25:25 | kergoth | darienm: hah, no, i didnt realize that |
| 21:25:29 | darienm | kergoth: Yup. |
| 21:25:50 | darienm | kergoth: by preventing the applet (and its prefs from loading) it uses the default prefs, so screen taps/clicks are on. |
| 21:25:57 | darienm | kergoth: its really fucking annoying. |
| 21:25:58 | kergoth | I need to get around to adding sane default configs for various apps in OZ |
| 21:26:03 | kergoth | i bet |
| 21:26:10 | TheMasterMind1 | bleh |
| 21:26:13 | kergoth | personally i like screen taps for some reason, but despise key clicks |
| 21:26:14 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i edit this line? |
| 21:26:16 | darienm | kergoth: and here I thought I was saving taskbar space by removing something I rarely use. |
| 21:26:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:26:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: carefully? |
| 21:26:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 21:26:27 | dlohin | my card reader doesnt work in linux anymore |
| 21:26:32 | kergoth | darienm: install opie-confedit, edit the config file that specifies it |
| 21:26:34 | dlohin | any suggestion |
| 21:26:36 | dlohin | s? |
| 21:26:41 | dlohin | It doesnt |
| 21:26:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:26:47 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't have make installed |
| 21:26:52 | dlohin | pick it up when I plug it in |
| 21:26:58 | TheMasterMind1 | or wget |
| 21:26:59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:27:02 | TheMasterMind1 | thsi machine is lacking stuff |
| 21:27:04 | treke | have I ever pointed out how much the taskbar sucks? |
| 21:27:07 | dlohin | It worked a few times |
| 21:27:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:27:15 | kergoth | treke: not as much as the documents tab |
| 21:27:16 | TheMasterMind1 | bzip2 and patch are nice also |
| 21:27:24 | dlohin | Is their a way to reset all my usb connections |
| 21:27:25 | Cloudchaser | that happened to me too |
| 21:27:25 | treke | kergoth: Its a tie |
| 21:27:30 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 21:27:32 | Cloudchaser | it messed up my card |
| 21:27:37 | dlohin | Hi CloudChaser |
| 21:27:48 | dlohin | What card reader works w/ linux |
| 21:27:49 | treke | kergoth: at least you can ignore the documents tab :) |
| 21:27:57 | dlohin | a cf reader |
| 21:28:03 | dlohin | I am back |
| 21:28:17 | Onyx4 | I just bought a sandisk SDDR-31 which kergoth also use for a CF reader |
| 21:28:20 | kergoth | treke: true. i still vote we copy some matchbox niftiness |
| 21:28:47 | treke | kergoth: I'll vote for tat |
| 21:29:22 | dlohin | www.wewantlinux.org <------ Go!!!! It is VERY IMPORTANT |
| 21:30:16 | TheMasterMind1 | dlohin submit the link to slashdot :D |
| 21:30:33 | | harlekin was last seen on #zaurus 23 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: .) [Fri Sep 6 22:07:16 2002] |
| 21:30:33 | Onyx4 | ibot: seen harlekin |
| 21:30:50 | dlohin | It used to pick up as a Compact Flash card reader, now it is picked up as a usb mass storage device |
| 21:31:05 | kergoth | dlohin: mass storage device is fine |
| 21:31:06 | dlohin | and it doesnt work |
| 21:31:07 | treke | kergoth as I've said be before, I could live with making the start menu and window lists into applets |
| 21:31:13 | kergoth | dlohin: thats how usb cf readers are dealt with |
| 21:31:20 | akk | I use the omniflash uno readers -- cheap and small and they support linux. |
| 21:31:21 | kergoth | dlohin: via the usb-storage driver |
| 21:31:31 | dlohin | MasterMind - am I allowed to it is not my site |
| 21:31:36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth can't the opie developers take the documents tab out, or change it so its better |
| 21:31:39 | darwin | KallDrexx: when I plug my cf card in to my pcmcia slot with a cf - pcmcia adapter it is device /dev/hde and I can mount it with type vfat (my cf card is fat16 I suppose |
| 21:31:39 | kergoth | treke: i like that as well |
| 21:31:40 | TheMasterMind1 | or is that part of qt/e ? |
| 21:31:42 | TheMasterMind1 | or what |
| 21:31:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: itss on their todo list |
| 21:31:48 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:32:04 | treke | hopefully they dont just take it out though |
| 21:32:07 | TheMasterMind1 | /bin/sh: line 1: file: command not found |
| 21:32:09 | TheMasterMind1 | wonderful |
| 21:32:10 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 21:32:31 | darwin | KallDrexx: you can fdisk /dev/hde delete the fat partition and create an ext2 partition and format it |
| 21:32:47 | dlohin | Mine works as a cf card reader |
| 21:32:58 | darwin | KallDrexx: if it is /dev/hde for you |
| 21:33:22 | dlohin | but as soon as it is called USB mass storage device it ceases to wrok |
| 21:33:26 | dlohin | work |
| 21:33:44 | dlohin | I am not sure y |
| 21:34:10 | dlohin | do sandisk pcmcia --> Cf card readers work? |
| 21:34:22 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 21:34:22 | Cloudchaser | thats waht i have |
| 21:34:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i use one |
| 21:34:30 | dlohin | It is 13 bucks at best buy? |
| 21:34:31 | Cloudchaser | that's what ate my 256mb card |
| 21:34:39 | Cloudchaser | although it worked fine with my other cards |
| 21:34:47 | dlohin | ok |
| 21:35:01 | dlohin | I had one but lost it |
| 21:35:03 | Cloudchaser | could just be my card |
| 21:35:08 | Cloudchaser | might not be all of them |
| 21:35:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Connecting to more.sbc.co.jp[210.224.146.19]:80... failed: No route to host. |
| 21:35:10 | TheMasterMind1 | WTF? |
| 21:35:42 | Onyx4 | Cloudchaser: did you try to return the card under warranty? |
| 21:35:45 | dlohin | I am having problems w/ my usb one |
| 21:35:50 | darienm | kergoth: does opie use $HOME/Settings/application.conf just like Sharp rom does? |
| 21:35:58 | Cloudchaser | i retured it once |
| 21:36:00 | kergoth | darienm: yep |
| 21:36:02 | Cloudchaser | got a nwe one |
| 21:36:08 | Cloudchaser | and same thing happened |
| 21:36:13 | Cloudchaser | now i don't use the reader with it |
| 21:36:40 | TheMasterMind1 | ARGH |
| 21:36:51 | dlohin | should the card be plugged in when I turn on my PC |
| 21:37:52 | dlohin | I get /dev/sdb is not a valid block devie |
| 21:37:56 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 21:38:01 | TheMasterMind1 | you need ot do /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:38:09 | TheMasterMind1 | or /deb/sda1 if its the first scsi device |
| 21:38:14 | dlohin | same thing |
| 21:38:26 | TheMasterMind1 | no its not |
| 21:38:31 | dlohin | Sorry that is what I meant |
| 21:38:45 | TheMasterMind1 | for me its /dev/hde1 |
| 21:38:49 | TheMasterMind1 | with the pcmcia-cf reader |
| 21:38:57 | dlohin | Mine is usb |
| 21:39:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:39:10 | dlohin | It worked a lot of times |
| 21:39:18 | dlohin | well at least 4 |
| 21:40:12 | dlohin | How can I find all my valid devices |
| 21:40:17 | Cloudchaser | usb stinks |
| 21:40:28 | Cloudchaser | 2 times i've copied 129 mb of 198 mb |
| 21:40:39 | Cloudchaser | and it hangs |
| 21:40:50 | Onyx4 | if anyone is looking to buy a lexar 256mb I have one to sell :) let me know (I live in the US) |
| 21:40:52 | dlohin | It works in windows though |
| 21:40:54 | kergoth | probably driver issues. usb-storage is a flaky driver |
| 21:40:55 | dlohin | ........ |
| 21:41:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 for how much? |
| 21:41:19 | dlohin | I need to see what it moved to |
| 21:41:35 | Cloudchaser | well i have to use it to get stuff to my z's cf card ;( |
| 21:41:36 | TheMasterMind1 | how many cycles have you used up ? |
| 21:41:37 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 21:41:40 | darienm | treke: you here? |
| 21:41:42 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: 85$ shipped |
| 21:41:45 | treke | darienm: yes |
| 21:41:55 | Onyx4 | one week old :) |
| 21:41:56 | dlohin | How can I see what is on my usb ports |
| 21:42:01 | darienm | treke: you know those .conf files in $HOME/Settings/ ? |
| 21:42:03 | kergoth | dlohin: lsusb |
| 21:42:11 | treke | darienm: yeah? |
| 21:42:13 | darienm | treke: is there an API for reading those built into QT? |
| 21:42:16 | kergoth | dlohin: or /proc/usb/devices if you enabled usbdevfs |
| 21:42:19 | darienm | treke: they seem to follow a standard format |
| 21:42:22 | treke | darienm: its in qtopia. the Config class |
| 21:42:23 | jmhodges | cc1: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/include" |
| 21:42:23 | jmhodges | cc1: warning: as it has already been specified as a non-system directory |
| 21:42:28 | jmhodges | FSCK |
| 21:42:30 | jmhodges | sorry! |
| 21:42:32 | jmhodges | worng chat |
| 21:42:34 | treke | darienm: really simple to use |
| 21:42:44 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 21:42:46 | dlohin | how can I tell where it is going |
| 21:42:49 | TheMasterMind1 | why is this compiling with gcc! |
| 21:42:50 | dlohin | what device |
| 21:42:56 | kergoth | dlohin: dmesg is your friend |
| 21:42:59 | darienm | treke: THanks much ! |
| 21:43:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wrong configure options |
| 21:43:09 | dlohin | It is saying it is SCSI |
| 21:43:11 | darienm | treke: http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/am-ui.php |
| 21:43:13 | dlohin | :->\ |
| 21:43:26 | treke | darienm: cool :) |
| 21:43:30 | TheMasterMind1 | its compiling the kernel with gcc |
| 21:43:35 | treke | darienm: I will be installing that ;) |
| 21:43:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i ran source /zaurus/arm |
| 21:43:39 | darienm | treke: its almost done.. release is tomorrow |
| 21:43:41 | dlohin | I need to find out where it is |
| 21:43:44 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 21:43:47 | dlohin | What device |
| 21:44:10 | treke | darienm: How are you disabling the applets? moving their .sos to a different directory? |
| 21:44:20 | darienm | treke: did you READ that page ? |
| 21:44:29 | treke | darienm: no :) |
| 21:44:33 | treke | reads |
| 21:44:35 | TheMasterMind1 | scripts/mkdep.c:38: string.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:44:39 | TheMasterMind1 | what package are those in again? |
| 21:44:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:44:43 | TheMasterMind1 | the standard libs |
| 21:44:44 | darienm | laughs hysterically at treke |
| 21:44:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: libc6-dev/glibc-devel |
| 21:44:54 | treke | hides |
| 21:45:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: depending on distrib ution of course |
| 21:45:23 | treke | is enlightened |
| 21:45:31 | TheMasterMind1 | libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.5-6) but 2.2.5-14 is to be installed |
| 21:45:35 | TheMasterMind1 | GARGH |
| 21:45:36 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid unstable |
| 21:45:38 | darienm | treke: turns out you only have to deal with the main .so files -- the numbered iterations don't matter. And adding a '.' to their name is enough to make them invisible to qpe |
| 21:45:43 | TheMasterMind1 | cusses this poc out |
| 21:45:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sounds like a dist-upgrade is in order |
| 21:46:09 | treke | darienm: makes sense |
| 21:46:54 | dlohin | I am looking at lsusb now, and their is nothing on where it is.... |
| 21:47:00 | darienm | treke: disable the clock, gain room for 3 application icons. |
| 21:47:01 | dlohin | in the dev directory |
| 21:47:20 | n84283615 | hello |
| 21:47:23 | treke | disable the clock means I'll never know what time it is :) |
| 21:47:30 | Cloudchaser | grr this has slowed down to a crawl |
| 21:47:45 | Cloudchaser | it starts off nice and fast |
| 21:47:47 | kergoth | darienm: you dont have to restart opie to refresh the applets |
| 21:47:48 | darienm | treke: well, until someone writes a switcher applet (to switch between running apps).... |
| 21:47:52 | darienm | kergoth: no ?!?!? |
| 21:47:57 | darienm | kergoth: teach me !!!! |
| 21:48:02 | kergoth | darienm: theres a QCop call to reload them |
| 21:48:11 | Cloudchaser | now it takes 10 minutes per mb |
| 21:48:12 | kergoth | darienm: i dont recall what it was off the top of my head though ;-) |
| 21:48:24 | darienm | kergoth: any idea where I could find it, or what software might use it? |
| 21:48:25 | treke | darienm: check the opie-nettime applet |
| 21:48:26 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser what does? |
| 21:48:41 | Cloudchaser | copying a file via usb to z's cf card in winscp |
| 21:48:49 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnn |
| 21:48:50 | TheMasterMind1 | yum |
| 21:48:53 | TheMasterMind1 | fast makes |
| 21:49:00 | TheMasterMind1 | its scrolling by so fast i can't read it |
| 21:49:03 | dlohin | The windows server crashed, I will be right back, I gotta go fix it |
| 21:49:06 | darienm | kergoth: ARGHHHHHH!H!!!!!!!!! http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php3?SourceCode |
| 21:49:11 | TheMasterMind1 | so much better than spending 10 seconds on each command |
| 21:49:14 | darienm | kergoth: ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR |
| 21:49:18 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm what about it? |
| 21:49:26 | kergoth | darienm: taskbar.cpp: } else if ( msg == "reloadApplets()" ) { |
| 21:49:27 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm i'm compiling opie as we speak |
| 21:49:35 | kergoth | darienm: its reloadApplets() |
| 21:49:53 | darienm | so I send reloadApplets() to QCop? |
| 21:50:22 | TheMasterMind1 | where can i download some sex? |
| 21:50:29 | ToyKeeper | apt-get install sex |
| 21:50:38 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1: sex.com of course! |
| 21:50:50 | kergoth | darienm: QCopEnvelope timeApplet( "QPE/TaskBar", "reloadApplets()" ); <-something like that |
| 21:51:08 | dlohin | Hold on I am in fstab..... |
| 21:51:18 | dlohin | I have usbdevfs |
| 21:51:24 | TheMasterMind1 | dlohin run usbview ? |
| 21:51:34 | dlohin | in fstab |
| 21:51:55 | dlohin | mounting to /proc/bus/usb |
| 21:52:10 | kergoth | whee |
| 21:52:11 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/ |
| 21:52:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:52:19 | dlohin | U hate vim |
| 21:52:24 | dlohin | how do I exit |
| 21:52:38 | treke | dlohin: :q |
| 21:52:52 | darienm | cancel first (sends ESC) then colon q enter |
| 21:53:17 | TheMasterMind1 | vi(m) owns you |
| 21:53:40 | kergoth | okay i'm out |
| 21:53:46 | TheMasterMind1 | cpu MHz : 1466.784 |
| 21:53:53 | Cloudchaser | have a good one kergoth |
| 21:53:53 | dlohin | usbview |
| 21:54:07 | TheMasterMind1 | that's 1100mhz faster! |
| 21:54:43 | TheMasterMind1 | |
| 21:54:52 | dlohin | I am in /proc/bus/usb |
| 21:54:54 | TheMasterMind1 | 80% [================================================================> ] 13,239,296 172.30K/s ETA 00:17 |
| 21:55:00 | TheMasterMind1 | 172K/s |
| 21:55:01 | dlohin | I have 001, and 003 |
| 21:55:04 | TheMasterMind1 | wheeeeeeee |
| 21:55:06 | dlohin | which one |
| 21:55:10 | TheMasterMind1 | dlohin run usbview |
| 21:55:20 | TheMasterMind1 | install/run usbview |
| 21:56:04 | dlohin | I am in it now |
| 21:56:07 | TheMasterMind1 | dlohin or, take out the reader, put it back in and then type dmesg |
| 21:56:14 | TheMasterMind1 | that will show you some messages |
| 21:56:19 | TheMasterMind1 | probably show what device its setup as |
| 21:56:28 | TheMasterMind1 | by take out, i mean disconnect usb |
| 21:57:53 | dlohin | I am in the configuration file now |
| 21:58:41 | dlohin | it is set to /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 21:58:52 | dlohin | is that where it mounts to |
| 21:59:13 | dlohin | ? |
| 21:59:19 | TheMasterMind1 | configuration file...? |
| 22:00:26 | dlohin | I am in the devices file |
| 22:00:41 | dlohin | I need to mount it |
| 22:02:06 | dlohin | I need to know howto mount it |
| 22:02:26 | burtonator | is away: working |
| 22:03:17 | dlohin | Idmesg saays connected to bus 2/1 assigned device number 4 |
| 22:04:27 | dlohin | when I type mount I get usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs |
| 22:04:32 | dlohin | (rw) |
| 22:05:14 | dlohin | I used to have to manually mount it w/ mount /dev/sdb |
| 22:05:58 | dlohin | and it magically changed |
| 22:06:06 | dlohin | Its there anyone here? |
| 22:08:05 | mark | dlohin: no |
| 22:08:41 | dlohin | I try to mount /proc/usb/001 |
| 22:09:00 | dlohin | It says it is already mounted, but to where |
| 22:10:06 | dlohin | hmmmm |
| 22:10:17 | Onyx4 | TGIF |
| 22:11:09 | junxster | i just updated my rom, and now when i try to install to sd, ipgs says something went wrong |
| 22:11:55 | junxster | (of course, none of my sd installed apps worked after the update...) |
| 22:12:42 | Onyx4 | on OZ or sharp? |
| 22:12:56 | junxster | sharp |
| 22:13:12 | Onyx4 | well you did a full reset so all the symlinks are gone since they are stored in ram |
| 22:13:42 | Onyx4 | with OZ the symlinks are stored on the ROM itself, so that would have not happened |
| 22:13:47 | junxster | that explains why they disappeared, but why can't i install anything? |
| 22:14:04 | Onyx4 | maybe because there is stuff already on the SD card that conflicts |
| 22:14:23 | Onyx4 | or did you try a different ipk just for fun? |
| 22:14:38 | junxster | i rm'd the QtPalmtop directory... |
| 22:14:43 | Cloudchaser | did you do a backup before you reflashed/ |
| 22:15:00 | Onyx4 | because you could have just restored the ram portion |
| 22:15:04 | junxster | of course |
| 22:15:13 | Cloudchaser | did you restore it after you flashed/ |
| 22:15:16 | Onyx4 | and it would have given you back all your stuff |
| 22:15:25 | junxster | hmm |
| 22:15:30 | junxster | no. :) |
| 22:15:43 | junxster | that's a good idea... for next time. yeah. |
| 22:17:01 | junxster | oh well, mkfs'ing a new ext2fs |
| 22:18:02 | junxster | if my sd is totally clean, i should be able to install my apps, right? |
| 22:18:58 | Cloudchaser | you should, yes |
| 22:19:46 | junxster | works like a charm |
| 22:19:53 | junxster | thx for the hint on next time. ;) |
| 22:30:40 | | qtopia is the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 22:30:40 | alex|dinner | ibot qtopia |
| 22:33:34 | cranch | any new OpenZ news lately? |
| 22:34:03 | | well, openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 22:34:03 | cranch | ibot: openzaurus |
| 22:36:10 | cranch | don't everyone talk at once :) |
| 22:37:52 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch heh |
| 22:38:02 | cranch | its Dead quiet in here :) |
| 22:38:03 | TheMasterMind1 | cranch we've gotten the 2.4.7 kernel working |
| 22:38:07 | cranch | WOOHOOO |
| 22:38:10 | TheMasterMind1 | and there's going to be a new release VERY VERY soon |
| 22:38:13 | cranch | which means.... |
| 22:38:25 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.4.7 is not a big jump from 2.4.6 |
| 22:38:36 | TheMasterMind1 | still working on the 2.4.19 port |
| 22:38:39 | cranch | I see |
| 22:38:44 | TheMasterMind1 | the only thing that's really changed is better jffs2 support |
| 22:38:50 | treke | cranch: it means better jffs2 support |
| 22:38:55 | cranch | is the APM controller on the Z only like 4 stages? |
| 22:38:59 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 22:39:00 | cranch | I see treke |
| 22:39:01 | TheMasterMind1 | its crap |
| 22:39:03 | cranch | hehe |
| 22:39:11 | cranch | its the hardware...not the kernel support? |
| 22:39:23 | not_hat | hey dumb OZ question: if I install OZ, it won't take up any storage space cause its stored in ROM right? |
| 22:39:35 | cranch | well....not really not_hat |
| 22:39:50 | Onyx4 | the OZ base fits into the ROM but extra apps also go into ram or SD or CF |
| 22:40:35 | not_hat | i see. can i use ipkgs for standard zaurus on OZ? |
| 22:40:43 | Onyx4 | of course |
| 22:40:55 | cranch | did you guys fix the documents tab |
| 22:41:01 | Onyx4 | it's all compatible |
| 22:41:12 | Onyx4 | what prob with docu tab? |
| 22:41:25 | not_hat | cool |
| 22:41:25 | Onyx4 | if you mean that hiding apps on the SD card, yes |
| 22:42:20 | cranch | I've been installing stuff into /mtrdram and all my apps show up in there |
| 22:44:31 | not_hat | can OZ still sync with qtopia desktop? |
| 22:44:40 | cranch | yup |
| 22:44:47 | Onyx4 | OZ runs opie which is an open source version of qtopia |
| 22:44:59 | Onyx4 | so it just looks alsmost the same, just better |
| 22:45:48 | not_hat | nice, sounds awesome. any catches i should know? |
| 22:46:09 | Onyx4 | the initial upgrade is a bit of a pain to do when you're not used to it |
| 22:46:20 | Onyx4 | if you wait till the 3.0 release it'll be easier I guess |
| 22:46:23 | cranch | and it doesn't come with Jeode/Opera/Hancom apps |
| 22:46:28 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 22:46:31 | cranch | 3.0 OZ release? |
| 22:46:40 | Onyx4 | but those are crap anyway , konqueror is better :) |
| 22:46:48 | not_hat | i never use java or hancom stuff anyway |
| 22:46:54 | Onyx4 | me neither :) |
| 22:47:11 | Onyx4 | yeah I think 3.0 is soon to be released |
| 22:47:16 | Onyx4 | like 2 weeks maybe |
| 22:47:24 | cranch | Konq. didn't work for me after updating |
| 22:47:36 | Onyx4 | there is a new package now |
| 22:47:39 | cranch | and I need MS Word reader and I like the Powerpoint app |
| 22:47:41 | Onyx4 | as of sept 4th |
| 22:47:43 | cranch | cool |
| 22:48:17 | Onyx4 | well one could find a way to just get the hancom files and move them over to OZ , some people did that |
| 22:48:26 | cranch | :) |
| 22:48:31 | Onyx4 | it's still a question if you really legally can do it since you own the product |
| 22:48:33 | treke | or one could just find the hancom ipks |
| 22:48:34 | cranch | Benmeyer has a script that takes them |
| 22:48:36 | Onyx4 | but technically it's possible |
| 22:48:56 | cranch | and I think i lost them...they were /are publicly accessible from the Hancom site :) |
| 22:48:57 | cranch | hehe |
| 22:49:15 | erikd | yeah... uhm... where do i get the Config class from? darien said Qtopia included one for conf files for apps |
| 22:49:28 | treke | erikd: built into qtopia |
| 22:49:35 | treke | #include <qpe/config.h> |
| 22:49:36 | erikd | where's the include? |
| 22:49:39 | erikd | ok |
| 22:49:50 | erikd | are there any docs on it? |
| 22:49:54 | erikd | wait |
| 22:49:58 | erikd | thinks he knows where |
| 22:50:03 | erikd | :) |
| 22:50:09 | erikd | thanks |
| 22:50:11 | treke | erikd: just read the config.h file :) |
| 22:50:11 | | well, qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com or butt ugly |
| 22:50:11 | darienm|away | ibot qt |
| 22:50:22 | treke | its not a particulary complex class :) |
| 22:50:32 | | ...but qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com or butt ugly... |
| 22:50:32 | erikd | ibot qt is -not- butt ugly |
| 22:50:32 | darienm|away | chants "go erik, go erik, go erik go" |
| 22:50:40 | | okay, erikd. |
| 22:50:40 | erikd | ibot qt is also -not- butt ugly |
| 22:50:50 | erikd | darien: hehe :) |
| 22:50:52 | darienm|away | chants "erik, erik, he's our man" |
| 22:50:55 | erikd | it's displaying files now |
| 22:51:01 | darienm|away | yowza! |
| 22:51:04 | darienm|away | me wants |
| 22:51:14 | | okay, treke. |
| 22:51:14 | treke | ibot: qt is also fugly |
| 22:51:15 | erikd | doesn't do anything past that... :) |
| 22:51:23 | | i guess qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com or butt ugly or -not- butt ugly or fugly |
| 22:51:23 | erikd | ibot qt |
| 22:51:29 | erikd | heh |
| 22:51:32 | treke | shoot |
| 22:51:47 | | ...but qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com or butt ugly or -not- butt ugly or fugly... |
| 22:51:47 | erikd | ibot qt is not also fugly |
| 22:51:49 | erikd | hmm |
| 22:51:51 | erikd | that doesn't work |
| 22:51:52 | erikd | :) |
| 22:52:08 | not_hat | that thing is pretty clever |
| 22:52:19 | | Onyx4: I forgot qt |
| 22:52:19 | Onyx4 | ibot forget qt |
| 22:52:22 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 22:52:22 | Onyx4 | ibot qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com |
| 22:52:28 | | qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com |
| 22:52:28 | Onyx4 | ibot: qt |
| 22:52:33 | | darienm|away: what? |
| 22:52:33 | darienm|away | ibot qt docs |
| 22:52:33 | Onyx4 | there we go |
| 22:52:38 | | darienm|away: what? |
| 22:52:38 | darienm|away | ibot qtdocs |
| 22:53:18 | | now there's a purty toolkit |
| 22:53:18 | treke | ibot, gtk? |
| 22:53:47 | darienm|away | erikd: http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/ |
| 22:54:14 | | OK, darienm|away. |
| 22:54:14 | darienm|away | ibot qt docs is http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/ or http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/ |
| 22:56:36 | | okay, erikd. |
| 22:56:36 | erikd | ibot gtk is also fugly in the worst way |
| 22:56:54 | | now there's a purty toolkit or fugly in the worst way |
| 22:56:54 | erikd | ibot gtk |
| 23:00:52 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk owns |
| 23:01:14 | TheMasterMind1 | watches qt compile |
| 23:01:55 | not_hat | recalls compiling qt taking overnight |
| 23:01:57 | ljp | bah! gtk sux is more like it |
| 23:02:02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:02:13 | TheMasterMind1 | this coming from the guy who doesnt like debian |
| 23:02:15 | br33zy | how do i add a user to the su group |
| 23:02:15 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 23:02:27 | TheMasterMind1 | there is no default su group |
| 23:02:35 | TheMasterMind1 | you could try adding guid 0 |
| 23:02:38 | TheMasterMind1 | wonder if that would work |
| 23:02:39 | ljp | debian is over rated and over hyped, just like slackware used to be |
| 23:02:46 | darienm|away | set the uid to 0 |
| 23:02:53 | br33zy | TheMasterMind1: like the group wheel |
| 23:02:55 | br33zy | so the user can su |
| 23:02:58 | darienm|away | its okay to have more than one user with uid 0 |
| 23:03:03 | darienm|away | any user can su |
| 23:03:05 | TheMasterMind1 | its not overrated. the only reason its so popular is because its so good |
| 23:03:07 | darienm|away | if they know root's password |
| 23:03:16 | darienm|away | however, you should learn about 'sudo' instead of 'su' |
| 23:03:31 | br33zy | i need su |
| 23:03:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:03:37 | TheMasterMind1 | it compiled! |
| 23:03:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:03:38 | br33zy | how do you add a user to the group wheel so they can su |
| 23:03:42 | br33zy | ive done it before |
| 23:03:42 | darienm|away | you 'think' you need 'su'. |
| 23:03:44 | br33zy | just forgot.. |
| 23:03:50 | br33zy | darienm|away: I DO need SU |
| 23:03:59 | br33zy | I am testing a program that needs 'su' |
| 23:04:16 | darienm|away | moooooooooooooo |
| 23:04:28 | br33zy | moooooooooooooooo |
| 23:05:27 | TheMasterMind1 | fakeroot! |
| 23:05:38 | TheMasterMind1 | types "make opie" |
| 23:06:05 | br33zy | brb |
| 23:07:28 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see if opie compiles now |
| 23:11:21 | KcsZ | i used my cf in rw mode right now but now it is mounted in ro mode |
| 23:11:33 | ljp | yes, opie compiles |
| 23:11:40 | untorn | can someone please help me get my crosscompilier setup on my linux box? |
| 23:11:46 | KcsZ | i rebooted but it's in ro |
| 23:12:16 | ljp | kcsz run fsck or fsck.dao or fsck.vfat on it |
| 23:12:21 | ljp | err fsck.dos |
| 23:12:26 | ljp | or what ever |
| 23:12:50 | KcsZ | ljp: when i terminate opie and umount it and remount the cf is in rw |
| 23:13:18 | ljp | hmm |
| 23:13:34 | ljp | do you have stuff running on it? |
| 23:14:02 | KcsZ | i have some mp3 and ipks on it |
| 23:15:51 | TheMasterMind1 | untorn read the howto |
| 23:15:54 | | i heard howto was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 23:15:54 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot howto? |
| 23:16:13 | untorn | TheMasterMind1: I have tried but can |
| 23:16:31 | untorn | TheMasterMind1: but can't get past step 3 for x compiling... |
| 23:16:35 | KcsZ | can anyone help me? |
| 23:16:38 | TheMasterMind1 | that sucks |
| 23:17:04 | untorn | TheMasterMind1: I get all sorts of error messages when I run make... |
| 23:17:40 | untorn | TheMasterMind1: do I have to do something to get the cpp programs to understand where the qtopia.h files are? |
| 23:18:24 | untorn | root@debian:/opt/Qtopia/example# make |
| 23:18:24 | untorn | g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -O2 -DNO_DEBUG -I/include -I/usr/include/qt -o |
| 23:18:24 | untorn | main.o main.cpp |
| 23:18:24 | untorn | In file included from example.h:3, |
| 23:18:24 | untorn | from main.cpp:1: |
| 23:18:25 | untorn | examplebase.h:12: qvariant.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:18:26 | untorn | examplebase.h:13: qwidget.h: No such file or directo |
| 23:19:31 | untorn | and the list goes on. |
| 23:19:31 | KcsZ | how i run opie from console? |
| 23:21:11 | KcsZ | is it possible? |
| 23:21:56 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 23:22:00 | TheMasterMind1 | argh argh argh ! |
| 23:22:27 | TheMasterMind1 | untorn did you run the script that sets it up to use arm compiling? |
| 23:22:51 | TheMasterMind1 | step three on the howto is compiling an example? |
| 23:23:42 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 23:23:53 | untorn | TheMasterMind1: step three is running make |
| 23:24:24 | untorn | TheMasterMind1: yes I ran the script although if I press echo $<tab> I don't see any of the variables that the script sets up |
| 23:26:52 | Wembly | herm. |
| 23:26:56 | Wembly | this school week is over. |
| 23:26:58 | Wembly | this is good |
| 23:28:28 | burtonator | is away: notworking |
| 23:30:20 | burtonator | is back (gone 00:01:51) |
| 23:32:18 | kergoth | untorn: read the howto again. you missed something. |
| 23:34:44 | untorn | kergoth: do you know what I missed? I've been reading the tutorial pretty consistently. |
| 23:35:04 | kergoth | untorn: well you didnt follow the instructions. if the environment variables didnt get set, you did something wrong. |
| 23:35:15 | kergoth | untorn: note that you *source* the script, you dont *run* the script. |
| 23:37:10 | untorn | kergoth: you must hate always rescueing newbs...thanks. |
| 23:37:32 | kergoth | np |
| 23:38:19 | kergoth | waits patiently for the 2.4 and 2.5 linux kernel trees to download from bk |
| 23:38:36 | jaytee | zzzzzz |
| 23:40:18 | TheMasterMind1 | "$SED /CFLAGS.*=.*/s/\$/ $PLATFORM_CFLAGS/ |
| 23:40:20 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf does that do |
| 23:40:21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth |
| 23:40:35 | ljp | does something with cflags |
| 23:40:36 | untorn | do I have to include /opt/Qtopia/bin in my path environment variable? |
| 23:40:43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i know it does SOMETHING |
| 23:40:44 | TheMasterMind1 | but WHAT |
| 23:40:45 | Wembly | ok |
| 23:40:47 | Wembly | need some help |
| 23:40:51 | ljp | umm seds it |
| 23:40:53 | Wembly | going to invest in a wireless system |
| 23:40:57 | Wembly | need advise on an AP |
| 23:41:09 | Wembly | and advise on a pcmcia card that works with XP and a cf card |
| 23:41:28 | Onyx4 | linksys WPC11v3 and linksys WCF12 |
| 23:41:34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth !!! |
| 23:41:45 | jaytee | cheap works fine here...after upgrading linksys firmware that is |
| 23:41:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it makes the line read CFLAGS=[whatever was there before] $PLATFORM_CFLAGS |
| 23:42:09 | TheMasterMind1 | sed: -e expression #1, char 63: Unknown option to 's' |
| 23:42:12 | TheMasterMind1 | i keep getting that |
| 23:42:21 | Onyx4 | I think the linksys WCF12 is like 60$ on buy.com |
| 23:42:22 | angry | how to i set up USB over ethernet using linux? |
| 23:42:26 | kergoth | whered you get that sed line from? |
| 23:42:29 | kergoth | angry: read the howto. |
| 23:42:31 | | howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 23:42:31 | kergoth | ibot: howto |
| 23:42:33 | TheMasterMind1 | sed: -e expression #1, char 25: Unknown option to 's' |
| 23:42:38 | angry | kergoth: thanks :) |
| 23:42:42 | kergoth | np |
| 23:42:45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth it is in the opie configure file |
| 23:42:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well theres nothing wrong with that sed line |
| 23:42:55 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to make it use the libjpeg stuff from staging |
| 23:43:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: maybe you have an old version of sed? hm |
| 23:43:23 | TheMasterMind1 | sed -e "$SED" $M >> $N |
| 23:43:32 | kergoth | yeah, thats fine |
| 23:43:35 | TheMasterMind1 | no, its debian package installed |
| 23:43:39 | jaytee | the WCF 12 is fine but covers up part of the top |
| 23:44:11 | TheMasterMind1 | sed -e /CFLAGS.*=.*/s/$/ -I/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging/usr/include -L/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging/usr/lib/; /CXXFLAGS.*=.*/s/$/ -I/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging/usr/include -L/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging/usr/lib/; noncore/settings/appearance/Makefile.in >> noncore/settings/appearance/Makefile |
| 23:44:14 | TheMasterMind1 | is a sample of what its doing |
| 23:44:32 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:44:41 | TheMasterMind1 | doh |
| 23:44:42 | TheMasterMind1 | the / |
| 23:44:43 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 23:44:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its breaking because those /'s in your specified path arent escaped |
| 23:44:46 | ljp | thats oz build? |
| 23:44:46 | TheMasterMind1 | echo++ |
| 23:44:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: \/ \/ \/ |
| 23:44:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:45:34 | TheMasterMind1 | sed -e /CFLAGS.*=.*/s/$/ -I/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging\/usr\/include -L/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging\/usr\/lib/; /CXXFLAGS.*=.*/s/$/ -I/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging\/usr\/include -L/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging\/usr\/lib/; core/apps/qcop/Makefile.in >> core/apps/qcop/Makefile |
| 23:45:39 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 23:45:41 | Wembly | ok sorry |
| 23:45:48 | TheMasterMind1 | that's a variable $(BUILDROOT) |
| 23:45:49 | Wembly | i had to walk away from the screen again |
| 23:46:06 | TheMasterMind1 | STAGING_DIR rather |
| 23:46:10 | Wembly | what is recommended that has good linux and XP drivers? |
| 23:46:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do i escape all the \ inside the var $(STAGING_DIR) |
| 23:46:41 | TheMasterMind1 | declare -x EXTRAFLAGS=" -I$(STAGING_DIR)\/usr\/include -L$(STAGING_DIR)\/usr\/lib" && \ |
| 23:46:43 | TheMasterMind1 | is what i have |
| 23:46:49 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:47:27 | kergoth | NEWSTAGINGDIR=`echo $(STAGING_DIR)|sed -e's,/,\/,g'`; declare -x EXTRAFLAGS=" -I$NEWSTAGINGDIR\/usr\/include ..etc |
| 23:47:43 | TheMasterMind1 | bueno |
| 23:48:10 | cc | help help help!!! i done "rm /usr". i'm in panic |
| 23:48:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: note: you may have to escape the \ in the sed line so it isnt interpreted as an escape by sed itself rather than putting it in the variable |
| 23:48:22 | cc | i stopped it after 3 seconds |
| 23:48:48 | cc | now there isn't /usr/lib/ |
| 23:48:58 | cc | can anyone help me? |
| 23:49:08 | ljp | anyone else worn out? |
| 23:49:13 | kergoth | ljp: oh yeah |
| 23:49:18 | kergoth | long fucking day |
| 23:49:24 | ljp | cc: on your z? |
| 23:49:27 | jaytee | cc: ouch |
| 23:49:34 | cc | ljp: yes :°°°°°°°° |
| 23:49:39 | Wembly | how does the linksys wireless AP work? |
| 23:49:47 | jaytee | nicely |
| 23:49:56 | jaytee | once i upgraded |
| 23:50:02 | Wembly | how do you administrate the ap? |
| 23:50:06 | ljp | umm best to backup your data files and reflash |
| 23:50:22 | cc | how i reflash it? |
| 23:50:30 | jaytee | Wembly: web |
| 23:50:42 | kergoth | cc: read the manual. go to http://myzaurus.com/ and read up |
| 23:51:09 | KGBudz | anyone here use troll ftpd? |
| 23:51:12 | jaytee | cc: and backups are your friend |
| 23:51:31 | Wembly | jaytee: were talking about just the AP right? |
| 23:51:35 | Wembly | not the AP + gateway correct? |
| 23:52:23 | jaytee | Wembly: the ap is admin'd thru web interface |
| 23:52:41 | Wembly | jaytee: spiffy |
| 23:52:46 | jaytee | oh wait |
| 23:52:49 | Wembly | what about pcmcia (not cf) cards? |
| 23:52:56 | jaytee | hmm |
| 23:53:00 | ljp | heh windows mozilla thinks iso files are something to display |
| 23:53:32 | jaytee | linksys was admin'd through their own funky windoze interface |
| 23:53:43 | cc | kergoth: in what section? |
| 23:53:59 | ljp | KGBudz: yes I do why? |
| 23:54:18 | burtonator | ljp: probably text/plain media type |
| 23:54:21 | Wembly | herm.. |
| 23:54:25 | Wembly | ethernet config.. joyish |
| 23:54:27 | Wembly | that means snmp |
| 23:54:30 | TheMasterMind1 | goddamit |
| 23:54:31 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck it |
| 23:54:42 | burtonator | ljp; though it shoUld probably yeidl to a Content-Length if > 100M ;) |
| 23:55:32 | ljp | heh I should just let it display the damn thing |
| 23:56:28 | ljp | heh this new vercel bsp is quite a bit larger than the previous one |
| 23:58:20 | Wembly | so... |
| 23:58:24 | Wembly | what ap should i get? |
| 23:58:47 | oGMo | chocolate ice cream |
