| 00:00:01 | burtonator | not on my OZ! |
| 00:00:09 | burtonator | and it has other big problems... |
| 00:00:13 | TheMasterMind1 | upgrade oipkg then |
| 00:00:14 | druiid | TMM: you're helping out with OZ production now? |
| 00:00:15 | burtonator | I have... |
| 00:00:19 | TheMasterMind1 | druiid yes, i've done a lot of development |
| 00:00:31 | TheMasterMind1 | burtonator do you have the "create links" or whatever option selected? |
| 00:00:31 | burtonator | it doesn't... unless fixed recently (like last night) |
| 00:00:34 | druiid | TMM: Cool |
| 00:00:35 | burtonator | yeah |
| 00:00:40 | TheMasterMind1 | then it will create symlinks |
| 00:00:44 | TheMasterMind1 | unless you have a vfat sdcard |
| 00:00:46 | ljp_ | how much is alot? |
| 00:00:47 | TheMasterMind1 | you need ext2 |
| 00:00:53 | burtonator | it doesn't symlink everything... like config files. |
| 00:01:06 | burtonator | no... I have an ext2 sd... |
| 00:01:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ heh. i only started about a week ago and i've fixed up and upgraded a bunch of things. working on the kernel and setting up opie/qt in the buildroot environment right now |
| 00:01:45 | TheMasterMind1 | not THAT much, but a few things |
| 00:02:29 | TheMasterMind1 | burtonator maybe its messed up then, its supposed to symlink everything |
| 00:02:30 | ljp_ | grabbing opie cvs? |
| 00:02:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ yep |
| 00:03:10 | druiid | all I care is that the konq package has been updated :) |
| 00:03:46 | ljp_ | good, dont let kergoth apply his opie patches ;) |
| 00:03:47 | burtonator | TheMasterMind1: it symlinks *everything* ? |
| 00:04:00 | burtonator | I have seem it make *some* symlinks but it does not hit everything... |
| 00:04:49 | burtonator | this is the "link to root destination" option right? |
| 00:05:21 | burtonator | or do I have to go under 'destinations' and select 'link to /' |
| 00:05:29 | burtonator | The 'link to /' option is grayed out here... |
| 00:06:17 | burtonator | ok... and why does it take an HOUR to rm -r 7M ?! |
| 00:06:33 | burtonator | that just seems way to slow! |
| 00:09:33 | | i guess complaints is see /dev/null |
| 00:09:33 | Onyx4 | ibot: complaints |
| 00:11:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ eh? what's wrong with kergoth's opie patches? |
| 00:12:51 | kgf | what's the best rom for the Z sl5000d? |
| 00:13:02 | druiid | kgf: OZ :) |
| 00:13:34 | | oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 00:13:34 | Onyx4 | ibot: oz |
| 00:14:00 | kgf | druiid: can you help me upgrading the rom? |
| 00:14:27 | deathmint | is OZ handling the sd's at least as well as sharp? |
| 00:14:28 | Onyx4 | did you read the FAQ/INSTALL/README file? |
| 00:14:46 | druiid | kgf: it's not that hard. Copy the files from that site to CF... then read the INSTALL instructions |
| 00:15:01 | druiid | deathmint: yep |
| 00:15:19 | Onyx4 | I install everything to my SD card |
| 00:15:22 | deathmint | hmm |
| 00:15:32 | Onyx4 | I don't use ram storage anymore, too volative :) |
| 00:15:43 | Onyx4 | volatile I mean |
| 00:15:50 | deathmint | maybe I should switch |
| 00:16:04 | kgf | druiid: where is mounted th cf? |
| 00:16:08 | Onyx4 | sometimes just a few symlinks problems, but that's just a few applications |
| 00:16:14 | druiid | kgf: hmm? |
| 00:16:16 | Onyx4 | /mnt/cf |
| 00:16:33 | druiid | kgf: I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean which directory.. /mnt/cf |
| 00:17:20 | kgf | druiid: in /mnt/cf there is only Not Available |
| 00:17:25 | deathmint | actually /var/mnt/cf |
| 00:17:30 | rikkus | SD cards are always mounted at /mnt/card, right ? |
| 00:17:41 | druiid | kgf: do you have a CF card inserted? |
| 00:19:46 | Onyx4 | rikkus: yes |
| 00:19:58 | rikkus | Onyx4: thanks |
| 00:20:42 | kgf | druiid: is the cf card included when i buy the z? |
| 00:20:50 | druiid | kgf: no |
| 00:20:56 | druiid | kgf: you need to buy one |
| 00:21:12 | | cf is used for network-like devices such as wireless or ethernet and can be used with compactflash media cards which are getting cheaper everyday. Excellent for audio/video files. |
| 00:21:12 | Onyx4 | ibot: cf |
| 00:21:18 | druiid | if you don't know what a CF card is, I wouldn't recommend trying to upgrade your rom at this time. |
| 00:22:18 | rikkus | wow, I think I just hid a major bug by terrible accident |
| 00:22:23 | rikkus | StorageLocation location = |
| 00:22:44 | rikkus | static_cast<StorageLocation>(config->readNumEntry("LocalMailLocation"), RAM); |
| 00:22:49 | rikkus | spot the nasty error |
| 00:23:45 | rikkus | burns C++ |
| 00:26:34 | burtonator | thinks about hdparming the speed of his zaurus disks... |
| 00:28:52 | Neo|Work | is away: goes home |
| 00:31:32 | burtonator | god... my rm is at about 5k per second! |
| 00:32:14 | asterick | I need to buy some more removable flash memory. |
| 00:32:24 | burtonator | how the heck is that even possible. |
| 00:32:35 | asterick | what, RM being slow? |
| 00:33:08 | asterick | erasing flash is one of the slowest operations you can perform on it. |
| 00:33:09 | burtonator | yeah... rm -r on a SD |
| 00:33:20 | burtonator | what about write? |
| 00:33:32 | asterick | write is a form erase, |
| 00:33:50 | asterick | you have to wipe a block, and then mask bits. |
| 00:33:54 | asterick | it's a weird form of storage. |
| 00:34:33 | asterick | Works kinda like a 128k punch card. Once you poke a hole in it, you can't make changes unless you get a new card. |
| 00:35:08 | asterick | if the block is pre wiped, than it should be relatively fast. |
| 00:35:21 | asterick | Not to mention SD's bus is just slow in general. |
| 00:35:43 | burtonator | I am wondering if it is even worth trying to install packages from the SD |
| 00:35:46 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 00:35:50 | TheMasterMind1 | so where do i find this thing.. |
| 00:36:00 | asterick | TheM: what thing? |
| 00:36:22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:36:22 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 00:36:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ëëëêìëèïéèïéê |
| 00:36:35 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 00:36:58 | druiid | good job |
| 00:37:01 | TheMasterMind1 | èåììï èï÷ áòå ùïõ äïéîç ôïäáù é áí äïéîç êõóô æéîå èï÷ áâïõô ùïõ áìì¿ |
| 00:37:14 | TheMasterMind1 | weird characters++ |
| 00:38:13 | VerxHome | kergoth, is your poor, poor soul still here? |
| 00:38:28 | VerxHome | looks like it has been 3 hours since you said anything, so maybe you are partying! :) |
| 00:39:13 | asterick | Well people, I'm off. Going to run home and grab my wireless adapter so I can get some files. |
| 00:39:15 | asterick | TTFN. |
| 00:41:11 | VerxHome | anyone have the current OZ feed installed? |
| 00:41:56 | Onyx4 | why? |
| 00:42:06 | VerxHome | well |
| 00:42:19 | VerxHome | I can no longer suspend without it hanging until I remove my CF car |
| 00:42:22 | VerxHome | s/car/card |
| 00:42:28 | VerxHome | if I suspend/resume |
| 00:42:37 | VerxHome | I cannot launch ANYTHING until I yank the CF card out |
| 00:42:48 | Onyx4 | that's so strange, that happened after upgrading? |
| 00:43:01 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 00:43:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:43:33 | Onyx4 | i've heard kergoth mentionning some suspend issues this morning too |
| 00:43:39 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe the new stuff is causing my suspend issue with wifi |
| 00:43:48 | Onyx4 | or was it you mastermind |
| 00:43:50 | VerxHome | oz has been a long long list of take one step forward, four steps back for me |
| 00:44:14 | VerxHome | if I yank my CF card |
| 00:44:20 | VerxHome | I have no issues at all that I can tell |
| 00:44:26 | Onyx4 | I'm still runnign the August 26th opie release without the clipboard applet, real stable :) |
| 00:44:48 | VerxHome | yeah, I was a lot more stable before I did my update/upgrade |
| 00:45:30 | VerxHome | well |
| 00:45:33 | VerxHome | crapola |
| 00:45:43 | VerxHome | I guess I have to restore my image from prior to the upgrade |
| 00:45:50 | KallDrexx | WOOHOO my 256CF came |
| 00:45:56 | Onyx4 | either that or we start debugging it |
| 00:46:03 | VerxHome | looks at his pile of 128/256 CF cards |
| 00:46:20 | Onyx4 | what do you put on your 256mb? |
| 00:46:41 | VerxHome | Onyx4: It is the darned CF - doing an ls on it hangs |
| 00:46:43 | VerxHome | after resume |
| 00:46:51 | VerxHome | Onyx4: As far as my 256MB CF's |
| 00:47:00 | VerxHome | the one I use with my Z I store all kinds of things on |
| 00:47:05 | VerxHome | a 16MB dictionary |
| 00:47:23 | Onyx4 | oh never thought of that idea |
| 00:47:25 | VerxHome | the exult/scummvm/qmame binaries |
| 00:47:38 | VerxHome | the ultima7/mame/scummvm "roms" |
| 00:47:41 | Onyx4 | is there a qt app frontend for the dictionary? |
| 00:47:52 | VerxHome | yeah - qsword |
| 00:48:02 | VerxHome | I had ignored qsword until recently |
| 00:48:13 | VerxHome | because I haven't ever been into reading the bible on my pda |
| 00:48:13 | VerxHome | :) |
| 00:48:17 | treke|home | theres also edict |
| 00:48:24 | VerxHome | but then I found out it did dictionaries too |
| 00:48:28 | VerxHome | it is quite nice |
| 00:48:42 | mutexer | lol "You get superman in a truck stop bathroom and you wont need kryptonite to get him on his knees" |
| 00:48:47 | VerxHome | I also store 320x240 photos of my wife, myself, and our puppy on the CF |
| 00:49:05 | VerxHome | several different initrd's |
| 00:49:09 | VerxHome | several kernels |
| 00:49:15 | VerxHome | the SHARP ROM, just in case |
| 00:49:15 | Onyx4 | I got my 256mb mostly for divx movies and mp3, but divx playback isn't quite there yet on Z |
| 00:49:22 | VerxHome | about 100 ebooks |
| 00:49:29 | VerxHome | oh, gameboy roms |
| 00:49:32 | burtonator | what are you using for divx playback? |
| 00:49:34 | burtonator | avifile? |
| 00:49:34 | VerxHome | 1000 sid files |
| 00:49:40 | | rumour has it op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 00:49:40 | Onyx4 | ibot: op2 |
| 00:49:42 | VerxHome | you know, lots of things |
| 00:49:43 | VerxHome | :) |
| 00:50:43 | Onyx4 | I keep my wifi card in it most of the time, so I don't really use my 256mb CF card |
| 00:50:51 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 00:51:00 | VerxHome | that is why I think I will be buying a 512MB SD card |
| 00:51:03 | Onyx4 | except for when I'm on the road and wanna watch a movie or listen to mp3 |
| 00:51:18 | VerxHome | so I can use the CF slot for everything that isn't an app |
| 00:51:28 | Onyx4 | I bought 64MB sd, but in a year or so, Ima get a bigger one for cheap |
| 00:51:38 | VerxHome | yeah, I bought a 64MB MMC |
| 00:51:45 | VerxHome | I have all my apps installed there right now |
| 00:51:47 | KallDrexx | Where can I get opieplayer? |
| 00:51:50 | Onyx4 | yep me too |
| 00:51:52 | VerxHome | everything non opie |
| 00:52:06 | Onyx4 | http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 00:52:10 | Onyx4 | look there |
| 00:52:14 | | no idea, treke|home |
| 00:52:14 | treke|home | ibot, qtreader? |
| 00:52:32 | Speedy2 | re |
| 00:52:36 | | wish i knew, themastermind1 |
| 00:52:36 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz update? |
| 00:52:40 | | themastermind1: i don't know |
| 00:52:40 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz upgrade? |
| 00:52:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:52:44 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: cool, btw do I resize divx movies for 320x240 or 240x320? |
| 00:52:45 | TheMasterMind1 | whore |
| 00:52:50 | | transcode is a linux video processing tool that can be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. see http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt |
| 00:52:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot transcode |
| 00:52:56 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: actually none of the two |
| 00:53:05 | KallDrexx | oh? what do I resize it to? |
| 00:53:13 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: the Z can only handle about 60,000 pixels total resolution |
| 00:53:19 | Onyx4 | to get decent fps on playback |
| 00:53:29 | KallDrexx | hmm so what should I resize it to? |
| 00:53:32 | mutexer | man, those purple and blue colors are horrible |
| 00:53:35 | Onyx4 | look at the script mastermind posted |
| 00:53:47 | Onyx4 | depends on the aspect ratio of the movie |
| 00:54:19 | KallDrexx | what's the retail_arm and arm difference? |
| 00:54:25 | VerxHome | mutexer: I think every SINGLE SOUL on the opie team is 100% color blind |
| 00:54:36 | Onyx4 | could be 320x136 (2:35) or 32x176 (1.85) 272x200 (4:3) |
| 00:54:46 | treke|home | VerxHome: haha, look at the hh.org screenshots? |
| 00:54:52 | treke|home | er looking at? |
| 00:55:01 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: if you run the sharp rom or not |
| 00:55:01 | VerxHome | treke; Every time I have seen a screenshot |
| 00:55:06 | VerxHome | from an opie team member |
| 00:55:09 | VerxHome | it has been obscene |
| 00:55:09 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: sharp rom = retail |
| 00:55:34 | KallDrexx | ah so if I have the 1.38 I would get that? |
| 00:55:45 | Onyx4 | you have a 5000d? |
| 00:56:31 | Onyx4 | or 5500 with 32/32mb ram? |
| 00:57:01 | DrBoB | I'm proud of myself: My TFT TV (line doubler built in) busted...the volumecontrol kept incresing without input ..... All it took was resoldering the volume control switch pads...saved myself $100 |
| 00:57:15 | VerxHome | kergoth, I have a question/comment for ya, but if you are done with OZ for the day, just ignore this. |
| 00:57:40 | Speedy2 | I DrBob. |
| 00:57:43 | Speedy2 | Hi DrBob |
| 00:57:44 | Speedy2 | Hey Joe. |
| 00:58:00 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: yeah get the retail if you didn't install openzaurus |
| 00:58:25 | DrBoB | hiya speedy2 you figure out how to unload those TRS80's yet? |
| 00:58:29 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 00:58:33 | TheMasterMind1 | where is my ti83?! |
| 00:58:36 | darienm | treke: I have returned, (oops, forgot to set away before) |
| 00:58:45 | Onyx4 | ti85? |
| 00:58:52 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: Inside your Z? As a ti85 emu? :) |
| 00:58:57 | Speedy2 | DrBob: No, I have not. |
| 00:58:58 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome heh. kergoth is never here |
| 00:58:59 | Speedy2 | Hey VerxHome. |
| 00:59:05 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome no, my actual ti83! |
| 00:59:05 | VerxHome | howdy speedy2 |
| 00:59:07 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't find it |
| 00:59:13 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome what do you want to say about oz? |
| 00:59:16 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: How do you like those coolio programs? |
| 00:59:24 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Did you get a battery for your RAM Card? |
| 00:59:44 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: well, I was gonna tell him about the suspend issue |
| 00:59:55 | VerxHome | Speedy2: I just went to the ti85 emulator on the Z |
| 00:59:59 | VerxHome | much better in all respects |
| 00:59:59 | Speedy2 | WHAT? |
| 01:00:00 | Speedy2 | WHAT? |
| 01:00:00 | Speedy2 | WHAT? |
| 01:00:00 | Speedy2 | WHAT? |
| 01:00:00 | Speedy2 | WHAT? |
| 01:00:01 | VerxHome | 1 |
| 01:00:02 | VerxHome | 2 |
| 01:00:02 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome what are the issues you're having? |
| 01:00:03 | VerxHome | 3 |
| 01:00:04 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 01:00:05 | TheMasterMind1 | Speedy2 stfu |
| 01:00:05 | VerxHome | heheheh |
| 01:00:12 | VerxHome | Speedy2: Yeah, I got the battery |
| 01:00:13 | Onyx4 | yeah ti85 is a cool idea if you're a student |
| 01:00:14 | VerxHome | life is good |
| 01:00:17 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: Go f'of |
| 01:00:27 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Did it merge OK ? |
| 01:00:42 | KallDrexx | what's the diff between the openzaurus ROM and sharps? |
| 01:00:44 | Speedy2 | We you able to merge port1 with main mem? |
| 01:00:47 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: If I suspend while ANY CF card is in, when I resume, it has issues |
| 01:00:50 | VerxHome | Speedy2: Yup |
| 01:00:53 | Speedy2 | Cool! |
| 01:01:00 | Speedy2 | 192KB |
| 01:01:03 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome issues....? what issues |
| 01:01:06 | Speedy2 | err |
| 01:01:07 | Speedy2 | 160KB |
| 01:01:09 | Speedy2 | Weirdo number |
| 01:01:12 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: read the OZ "overview" from this web page |
| 01:01:13 | | rumour has it oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 01:01:13 | Onyx4 | ibot: oz |
| 01:01:19 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: I am 100% unable to launch any apps after the resume |
| 01:01:32 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: Until I yank the CF card out - then everything I launched comes up |
| 01:01:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 01:01:42 | TheMasterMind1 | any other symptoms? |
| 01:01:56 | VerxHome | well |
| 01:01:59 | VerxHome | if I suspend/resume |
| 01:02:05 | Onyx4 | when you mention CF, it's either wifi and storage or one or the other to create this problem? |
| 01:02:06 | VerxHome | and then try to do an ls of /mnt/cf |
| 01:02:08 | VerxHome | it hangs |
| 01:02:11 | VerxHome | until I yank the CF |
| 01:02:14 | VerxHome | so something is up |
| 01:02:18 | TheMasterMind1 | have a wifi? |
| 01:02:25 | VerxHome | Onyx4: In my case, I only have CF memory |
| 01:02:30 | VerxHome | so can't test with wifi yet |
| 01:02:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:02:35 | Onyx4 | k |
| 01:02:36 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm having issues with wifi |
| 01:02:38 | TheMasterMind1 | so is noda |
| 01:02:39 | Shayde | yays! |
| 01:02:41 | TheMasterMind1 | somethings up |
| 01:02:44 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll look into it |
| 01:02:48 | Shayde | just won his auction for an SL5500 on ebay. |
| 01:02:49 | Onyx4 | we'll probably find it |
| 01:02:56 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde for how much? |
| 01:03:00 | Shayde | does the happy soon-to-have-geeky-toy dance. |
| 01:03:02 | Shayde | $315. |
| 01:03:11 | TheMasterMind1 | ?!?! |
| 01:03:14 | Onyx4 | it's 330$ for brand new on buy.com shipped |
| 01:03:15 | TheMasterMind1 | and how much shipping? |
| 01:03:16 | VerxHome | Shayde: I just had someone bid $300 on my DAT drive. So I am gonna get some goodness for my Z when it comes in |
| 01:03:24 | TheMasterMind1 | people on ebay are so stupid |
| 01:03:27 | TheMasterMind1 | no offence |
| 01:03:27 | Shayde | $15 shipping |
| 01:03:39 | Shayde | not much taken :) |
| 01:03:39 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde why would you do that? |
| 01:03:48 | TheMasterMind1 | its 326 or something on buy.com shipped |
| 01:03:50 | TheMasterMind1 | brand new |
| 01:03:54 | Shayde | the best prices i've seen all over were $350, plus shipping. |
| 01:04:03 | Speedy2 | BestBuy had it for $315 |
| 01:04:04 | TheMasterMind1 | you didn't look hard enough then |
| 01:04:07 | TheMasterMind1 | shoulda asked here |
| 01:04:07 | Speedy2 | I suspect they've sold out. |
| 01:04:08 | Onyx4 | right but you didn't look at the right place :) hehe |
| 01:04:31 | Onyx4 | I bought mine for 299$ at linuxworld in SF with a t-shirt and carrying case, what a deal |
| 01:04:35 | VerxHome | anyone know a better price than $319 for a 512MB SD card? |
| 01:04:44 | Shayde | $334 on buy.com, not $330. |
| 01:04:52 | Shayde | a mild difference. so i saved a smidge ;) |
| 01:04:53 | Onyx4 | well just approx :) |
| 01:05:10 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde watch it be scratched up and crap when you get it |
| 01:05:12 | kergoth_ | VerxHome: i just dropped in to say hello before going out for a long walk, its a crisp cool night out. no OZ support tonight, just report any new bugs to the bug tracker on SF and I'll look into them tomorrow. |
| 01:05:18 | TheMasterMind1 | new is so much better for 4 bucks |
| 01:05:18 | Shayde | then i'll be pissy :) |
| 01:05:29 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: So are you using all those badass programs? Finding it good or is it just sitting next to you unused? |
| 01:05:31 | VerxHome | kergoth: Have fun man! :)) |
| 01:05:40 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: can you file a bug on sf.net regarding suspend/resume? |
| 01:05:47 | VerxHome | Speedy2: The programs are interesting, but I haven't really needed them yet |
| 01:05:51 | Shayde | TheMasterMind1: hint. "Hey shayde, congrats. You'll like it a lot. BTW, the price wasn't that hot, buy.com would have gotten it for you for only $10 more brand new." |
| 01:06:17 | Shayde | glares at pricewatch.com, which does not show the free shipping. |
| 01:06:25 | Onyx4 | Shayde: is yours new? |
| 01:06:39 | alex|homewrk | VerxHome: do you know how to install programs on the ti85 emu? |
| 01:06:46 | Shayde | yah, the guy said he opened it, used it for 2 days, decided he was too much a Palm person, and put it away. |
| 01:06:52 | VerxHome | alex|homewrk: Nah. I haven't messed with it much |
| 01:06:57 | Onyx4 | oh then it's not too bad of a deal |
| 01:07:15 | alex|homewrk | VerxHome: dang! i could really use that replace my ti83 for school |
| 01:07:28 | kergoth_ | VerxHome: thanks. tonight has consisted of food, tv, exercise. a good night so far i'd say, gonna enjoy the weather before winter hits. hehe |
| 01:07:30 | Shayde | Onyx4: thanks. *feels slihglyt better* :) |
| 01:07:35 | Onyx4 | just get the ti85 emulator and the rom |
| 01:07:47 | Shayde | course i'm gonna add all sorts of crap to it. microdrive, 802.11, etc etc. *sigh* |
| 01:08:02 | VerxHome | kergoth: heh. You live in CO? |
| 01:08:06 | Onyx4 | yeah I spent as much as accessories that I paid for my Z :) |
| 01:08:13 | Shayde | *nodnod* |
| 01:08:15 | kergoth_ | VerxHome: minnesota. we have two seasons. winter, and road construction. |
| 01:08:26 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 01:08:28 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 01:08:34 | VerxHome | when I was in St. Louis, we had one season |
| 01:08:37 | VerxHome | road construction |
| 01:08:44 | Shayde | well i'm sur eyou guys'll see me a lot. hey, quick question. the docking port is a USB port, right? could you use external USB drives? i'm thinking MP3 player in the car setup. |
| 01:09:00 | Onyx4 | no it's a special connector |
| 01:09:12 | Onyx4 | I had that slight disapointment too |
| 01:09:12 | kergoth_ | Shayde: its a usb slave only, not host, and the usb connection is on the cradle, not the Z itself |
| 01:09:19 | Shayde | right, but if i got a spare docking station, it cables out to a USB... |
| 01:09:21 | Shayde | ah. |
| 01:09:30 | Shayde | okay, makes sense. thanks kerg. |
| 01:09:34 | Shayde | will have to work some other magic. |
| 01:09:35 | kergoth_ | np |
| 01:09:43 | Shayde | the microdrive sounds awfully good. 1gig is a lot :) |
| 01:10:01 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 01:10:04 | TheMasterMind1 | and it will kill your Z |
| 01:10:09 | TheMasterMind1 | getting it up to 65 celsius |
| 01:10:18 | Shayde | mounts a fan to it. |
| 01:10:23 | Shayde | and a freon cooling system! |
| 01:10:24 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 01:10:24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_ you hear all these suspend cf issues? |
| 01:10:25 | Shayde | yeah! |
| 01:10:34 | Speedy2 | Hergoth: Hello! |
| 01:10:37 | Speedy2 | Kergoth: Hello |
| 01:10:39 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: as i told verx, im not doing any OZ support tonight. |
| 01:10:43 | Speedy2 | (I don't quite know who hergoth is) |
| 01:10:50 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: so i dont want to hear it, i'll read the bug report tomorrow |
| 01:10:55 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: hehe. hey man, how goes it? |
| 01:11:02 | deathmint|pc | thinks kergoth is on the floor in need of smelling salts |
| 01:11:05 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Almost got battery charging going. |
| 01:11:12 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: nice.. |
| 01:12:09 | Onyx4 | sugar make kergoth a long island |
| 01:12:09 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 01:12:14 | Onyx4 | good night kerg |
| 01:13:19 | kergoth_ | thanks ;-) |
| 01:13:37 | Onyx4 | we'll cover for ya hehe |
| 01:13:49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:13:49 | Speedy2 | sugar make kergoth a black coffee |
| 01:13:50 | Sugar | pours some black coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 01:13:51 | TheMasterMind1 | later kergoth |
| 01:13:54 | kergoth_ | hehe. i dont get vacations, so a couple hours here and there will have to suffice |
| 01:14:32 | kergoth_ | i need to buy a cordless drill this weekend so i can start setting up my training equippment again |
| 01:14:34 | Onyx4 | gets his phone headset on and is ready for OZ uber support helpdesk |
| 01:15:43 | kergoth_ | have fun.. okay i'm out. talk to you all tomorrow |
| 01:15:47 | VerxHome | kergoth dude |
| 01:15:51 | VerxHome | buy your drill NOW |
| 01:15:53 | burtonator | ok... so SD erase and writes are kind of slow... how about reads? Are those fast? |
| 01:15:57 | Speedy2 | Later kegoth |
| 01:15:58 | VerxHome | you have been saying you were gonna get it for like 3 weeks now |
| 01:16:00 | burtonator | wishes he had hdparm on his Zaurus... |
| 01:16:01 | VerxHome | do it right NOW |
| 01:16:02 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:16:05 | kergoth`out | VerxHome: hehe. good point |
| 01:16:11 | kergoth`out | VerxHome: but see, i'm broke |
| 01:16:13 | kergoth`out | VerxHome: which is the problem |
| 01:16:14 | Shayde | course, now i gotta sell some stuff on ebay to cover this new toy expenses :( |
| 01:16:14 | VerxHome | oh |
| 01:16:16 | kergoth`out | hehe |
| 01:16:16 | VerxHome | sorry man |
| 01:16:18 | kergoth`out | np |
| 01:16:24 | Speedy2 | Yeah, "hdparm" will do a lot if there is no fscking support for the IOCTLS it uses. |
| 01:16:32 | Onyx4 | Customer:"What is OZ?", Onyx4:"OZ heh?"... "mmm ever heard of the Wizard of OZ?" |
| 01:16:34 | kergoth`out | hehe |
| 01:16:40 | kergoth`out | okay i'm actually out |
| 01:16:43 | kergoth`out | have fun |
| 01:16:47 | Speedy2 | kicks kergoth out |
| 01:16:53 | burtonator | Speedy2: ok dude... calm down... |
| 01:17:38 | Speedy2 | I'm calm. |
| 01:17:46 | darienm | anybody here from Chicagoland ? |
| 01:18:27 | ljp_ | I drove by Chicago once |
| 01:18:36 | Shayde | flew over it once. |
| 01:18:38 | darienm | msg BZFlag I have a one-character change for zsi |
| 01:18:42 | treke|home | darienm: alrighty, want to try a scaled vnc? |
| 01:18:52 | darienm | treke|home: shirley! |
| 01:18:54 | Shayde | hands a ramp to darienm |
| 01:19:01 | Onyx4 | I'm surprised no-one has decided to port gpsdrive to QT yet |
| 01:19:12 | treke|home | darienm: its client side, and still a bit buggy, but it seems to perform reasonably |
| 01:19:13 | Onyx4 | it'd be to cool to use my Z as a road atlas and GPS navigation system |
| 01:19:30 | kgf | how can i export psion III series database to msaccess? |
| 01:19:38 | Speedy2 | There is a GPS program for the iPaq |
| 01:19:41 | treke|home | darienm: http://treke.net/downloads/keypebble |
| 01:19:45 | Speedy2 | And I think it's been ported to the Z |
| 01:20:01 | Onyx4 | well gpsdrive runs on the ipaq with X installed |
| 01:20:30 | Speedy2 | Right, that hasn't been ported to Z? |
| 01:20:35 | Speedy2 | Ahh, it needs "X" |
| 01:20:36 | Onyx4 | apparently not |
| 01:20:39 | Speedy2 | Lovely. |
| 01:20:49 | Onyx4 | it's in the zsi but it's like "alpha" |
| 01:21:10 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 01:21:10 | Onyx4 | ibot search zsi for gpsdrive |
| 01:21:18 | | Speedy2: excuse me? |
| 01:21:18 | Speedy2 | ibot jump off a cliff |
| 01:21:23 | | Speedy2: huh? |
| 01:21:23 | Speedy2 | ibot do i |
| 01:21:24 | | Speedy2: what? |
| 01:21:24 | Speedy2 | ibot do it |
| 01:21:51 | darienm | treke|home: when I download from your server I get the result IN my browser. Does your server not know that .ipk files are binary? |
| 01:22:01 | treke|home | darienm: it isnt a .ipk :) |
| 01:22:05 | treke|home | its just a binary |
| 01:22:12 | darienm | argh, well that too |
| 01:22:21 | darienm | same thing happened when I tried the .ipk earlier |
| 01:22:31 | KallDrexx | out of curiosity what happnes if I don't finish the app for the challenge? |
| 01:22:37 | treke|home | But yeah, I never bothered setting it up for .ipk |
| 01:22:48 | Cloudchaser | hmm i just reformatted sd card to ext 2 |
| 01:22:57 | | Onyx4: what? |
| 01:22:57 | Onyx4 | ibot: kill yourself |
| 01:22:59 | Cloudchaser | and..sysinfo says 3mb is used on it |
| 01:23:12 | Cloudchaser | shoud be empty |
| 01:23:31 | treke|home | darienm: this version well only show you a 1/2 size scalled image, I havent set it up to be an option yet. It was more of a lets see if this is fast enough sort of hack |
| 01:23:51 | darienm | treke|home: okay, gonna try now. |
| 01:23:58 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: I think you don't get a Z :) |
| 01:24:04 | treke|home | it seems respectable to me |
| 01:24:07 | Cloudchaser | is that normal? |
| 01:24:47 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm the real question is, does your BROWSER not know that its binary? |
| 01:25:09 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: i got it already tho |
| 01:25:23 | darienm | TheMasterMind1: My browser knows, but thanks for asking ! |
| 01:25:35 | KallDrexx | What is the linux module for the USB networking thing for hte Z? |
| 01:25:35 | darienm | TheMasterMind1: Its the SERVER's job to send the appropriate mime-type |
| 01:25:45 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: usbdnet |
| 01:25:46 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, and it is |
| 01:25:58 | TheMasterMind1 | application/octet-stream |
| 01:26:20 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: you might want to check with other folks that are participating, i'm not unfortunately |
| 01:26:26 | darienm | looks for a VNC server to connect to... finding none he starts one up |
| 01:26:36 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: yeah |
| 01:28:06 | treke|home | takes a screenshot |
| 01:29:06 | KallDrexx | ok for ipmasquerading my Z, what if my ips dynamic? |
| 01:29:14 | KallDrexx | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ethX --to MY_IP |
| 01:29:18 | KallDrexx | what shoudl I put for --to? |
| 01:29:35 | darienm | treke|home HOT DAMN HOT DAMN HOT DAMN !!!!!!! |
| 01:29:35 | darienm | treke|home HOT DAMN HOT DAMN HOT DAMN !!!!!!! |
| 01:29:38 | treke|home | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12045.png |
| 01:30:19 | KallDrexx | has anyone here ipmasqed their Z? |
| 01:30:40 | darienm | typing thru vnc |
| 01:30:46 | Onyx4 | bartender app on zsi, cool idea http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=442 |
| 01:30:58 | Onyx4 | with 1200 drinks in database |
| 01:31:04 | treke|home | darienm: and it looks like the biggest bug I was seeing was with my test vnc X server |
| 01:31:05 | KallDrexx | anyone? |
| 01:31:16 | treke|home | the crosshatch pattern doesnt scale well :) |
| 01:31:16 | burtonator | no shit! |
| 01:31:17 | Cloudchaser | and a blood alcohol calculator too |
| 01:31:20 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 01:31:38 | burtonator | $5.99! |
| 01:31:48 | Onyx4 | not too bad |
| 01:31:54 | NeoTron | is back (gone 10:02:14) |
| 01:32:27 | treke|home | darienm: you using wireless or wired? |
| 01:32:49 | Speedy2 | He's wired, he's been high all day |
| 01:34:57 | darienm | treke|home: wired, usb thru ethernet |
| 01:35:13 | treke|home | hmmm. and its usable? |
| 01:37:23 | Onyx4 | NeoTron: hey :) |
| 01:37:53 | Cloudchaser | hey i put ipkg on sd card on sharp rom and icons don't show up, just words... |
| 01:38:05 | Cloudchaser | i just reformatted the sd card with ext 2 |
| 01:39:03 | Onyx4 | ono, ext2 sd corruption |
| 01:39:10 | Cloudchaser | it is? |
| 01:39:14 | Onyx4 | hehe maybe :) |
| 01:39:16 | KGBudz | what lib do i need to get if im missing libz.so.1 |
| 01:39:26 | treke|home | zlib |
| 01:39:29 | KGBudz | k |
| 01:39:42 | KGBudz | anyone here use lynx? |
| 01:40:30 | burtonator | use links! |
| 01:40:43 | TheMasterMind1 | links owns |
| 01:40:50 | TheMasterMind1 | KGBudz the ipkg zlib from the feed |
| 01:40:54 | KGBudz | links = lynx? |
| 01:41:00 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 01:41:05 | Speedy2 | Later all |
| 01:41:06 | TheMasterMind1 | links = links > lynx |
| 01:41:07 | treke|home | links==lynx++ |
| 01:41:14 | KGBudz | o |
| 01:41:22 | TheMasterMind1 | links has frame and table support |
| 01:41:25 | KGBudz | the only reason i have lynx is cause i have a few scripts that use it |
| 01:41:25 | TheMasterMind1 | and colors |
| 01:41:27 | TheMasterMind1 | and cool stuff |
| 01:41:37 | TheMasterMind1 | wget > lynx for scripting |
| 01:41:55 | KGBudz | these scripts require posting |
| 01:42:03 | Yoso | I was surprised to find wget on my zaurus |
| 01:42:06 | Yoso | pleasantly surprised |
| 01:42:09 | KGBudz | it sets up my wifi authentication |
| 01:42:32 | darienm | treke|home: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/vnc-mac-scaled.png |
| 01:42:56 | treke|home | darienm: my problems might just be a reall crappy wireless connection |
| 01:43:12 | darienm | treke|home: It works fine, not REAL responsive to drags, but I can move around the screen and click fine |
| 01:43:32 | darienm | treke|home: also, the screen 'area' seems to still think I'm viewing the full size -- I can scroll into nothingness. |
| 01:43:33 | treke|home | darienm: yeah, well I think its good enough to make an option :) |
| 01:43:52 | treke|home | yeah, I didnt adjust the size of the screen |
| 01:44:19 | darienm | treke|home: running a few more tests. (click and drag placement) |
| 01:44:20 | burtonator | ok... I symlinked /usr to /mnt/card/usr but I guess it isn't working when I reboot cause the module isn't loading? |
| 01:44:26 | burtonator | what module do I need? |
| 01:44:34 | treke|home | I found one little problem with the server side scaling, there's exactly one server that supports it :) |
| 01:45:07 | DrXXXXwrk | whats the site for OZ ? |
| 01:45:15 | | oz is probably see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 01:45:15 | treke|home | ibot, oz? |
| 01:45:22 | darienm | treke|home: all seems good. |
| 01:45:44 | darienm | treke|home: tested a windows server yet? |
| 01:46:02 | burtonator | can someone give me the output of lsmod on a working oz? |
| 01:46:08 | treke|home | darienm: yup |
| 01:46:34 | DrXXXXwrk | whats better in you guys opinion OZ 2.9.5.5 or sharp rom 2.38? |
| 01:46:48 | burtonator | if you want it to actually work stick with the sharp! |
| 01:47:01 | Onyx4 | depends on what you're looking for DrXXXXwrk |
| 01:47:01 | burtonator | if you want to push the envelope stick with OZ |
| 01:51:01 | darienm | treke|home: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/vnc-win-scaled.png |
| 01:51:06 | KallDrexx | need help etting up routing stuff on the zaurus |
| 01:51:18 | br33zy | still nothing from sharp.. :-( |
| 01:51:41 | treke|home | darienm: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12045.png |
| 01:51:55 | darienm | saw that one |
| 01:52:01 | treke|home | darienm: Starting tomorrow, it should get built in the daily or so opie builds |
| 01:52:27 | darienm | as a replacement to the existing keypebble? |
| 01:52:30 | treke|home | yeah |
| 01:52:40 | darienm | how come you have to 'edit' an entry in order to connect to it? |
| 01:52:50 | darienm | shouldn't there be a 'connect' icon to tap after selecting? |
| 01:53:06 | treke|home | Let me look for a better icon |
| 01:53:07 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you do scaling? |
| 01:53:25 | TheMasterMind1 | is that in the patched version |
| 01:53:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 01:53:26 | treke|home | I have absolutly zero image skills, so I looked for an Icaon I know |
| 01:53:28 | TheMasterMind1 | treke |
| 01:53:44 | darienm | treke|home: /me can make you an icon :) |
| 01:53:45 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home are the settings patches etc for keypebble in the opie cvs tree? |
| 01:54:09 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: For now I'm using the QImage::smoothScale() function for the scaling, and looking into more efficient algorithms |
| 01:54:20 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: yes, I'm commiting them to the opie cvs |
| 01:54:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ok good |
| 01:54:36 | TheMasterMind1 | so when i compile from the cvs, it should be all good |
| 01:54:46 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: I commited the first of them this morning, scaling should be by tomorrow morning |
| 01:54:51 | DrXXXXwrk | Onyx4: what do you mean what im looking for,, I want to get the most out of my pda |
| 01:54:59 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home nice. |
| 01:55:06 | TheMasterMind1 | it should be in the oz feeds in a couple of days |
| 01:55:08 | DrXXXXwrk | and have the most working drives |
| 01:55:12 | TheMasterMind1 | once i get opie/qt and apps working |
| 01:55:16 | treke|home | darienm: would be cool :) |
| 01:55:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm getting there |
| 01:55:22 | DrXXXXwrk | drivers i mean |
| 01:55:23 | Onyx4 | DrXXXXwrk: well are you a experienced linux user who likes to try out beta stuff? |
| 01:55:33 | darienm | treke|home: how about a little rocket ship? |
| 01:55:34 | Rince | what kind of Beta? |
| 01:55:37 | mutexer | what is this? - http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12045.png |
| 01:55:41 | DrXXXXwrk | yea,, use it everyday |
| 01:55:43 | DrXXXXwrk | linux |
| 01:55:47 | DrXXXXwrk | how stable is it? |
| 01:55:50 | treke|home | mutexer: VNC Viewer |
| 01:55:51 | Onyx4 | DrXXXXwrk: then yo may very well like OZ |
| 01:55:56 | darienm | mutexer: its VNC with scaling |
| 01:55:57 | TheMasterMind1 | beta as in the 2.5 kernel for the Z which doesn't support any input drivers |
| 01:56:00 | mutexer | what is VNC Viewer? |
| 01:56:06 | Onyx4 | It's getting there, a few bugs still remaining but it's quite usable |
| 01:56:09 | TheMasterMind1 | mutexer its keypebble, a vnc client |
| 01:56:19 | mutexer | your still speaking greek |
| 01:56:19 | treke|home | mutexer: Its a viewer for vnc :) |
| 01:56:27 | mutexer | wtf is vnc? |
| 01:56:27 | treke|home | mutexer: Remote dekstop software |
| 01:56:32 | mutexer | ok |
| 01:56:35 | TheMasterMind1 | GOING TO RUN MAKE -f sourcetree ON busybox WATch out!!!!!! |
| 01:56:37 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 01:56:40 | Onyx4 | DrXXXXwrk: you can always flash back if you don't like it |
| 01:56:44 | TheMasterMind1 | make warnings to the max |
| 01:56:45 | DrXXXXwrk | anyone have a trial tkc programs or do I have to wait until my boss pays me |
| 01:56:50 | DrXXXXwrk | your right |
| 01:56:51 | DrXXXXwrk | hehe |
| 01:56:51 | angry | busybox? whats the difference between that and fluxbox |
| 01:56:58 | ljp_ | hah |
| 01:56:58 | DrXXXXwrk | onyx4 |
| 01:56:59 | TheMasterMind1 | angry hahah |
| 01:57:02 | DrXXXXwrk | hehehe |
| 01:57:02 | TheMasterMind1 | was that a joke? |
| 01:57:03 | treke|home | angry: ha |
| 01:57:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i hope it was |
| 01:57:08 | Onyx4 | DrXXXXwrk: most tkc dont have demos unfortunately |
| 01:57:09 | DrXXXXwrk | hehehe |
| 01:57:12 | KallDrexx | arg why won't ipkg install stuff to my CF? |
| 01:57:14 | treke|home | angry: Just about the entire concept is different |
| 01:57:29 | treke|home | they do share being small and simple as a goal :) |
| 01:57:30 | DrXXXXwrk | hehe |
| 01:57:33 | TheMasterMind1 | the new busybox has udhcpc! |
| 01:57:37 | Onyx4 | you can take a look at the screenshots but that's it |
| 01:57:42 | TheMasterMind1 | and it works with the Z too |
| 01:57:47 | TheMasterMind1 | after i fixed the stupid makefile anyway |
| 01:58:05 | Onyx4 | what's diff between udhcpc and dhcpcd ? |
| 01:58:09 | treke|home | but one is an Window Manager for X, and one is a small footprint implementation of most of the console utilties you need to run an embedded linux distribution |
| 01:58:11 | TheMasterMind1 | udhcpc is better |
| 01:58:13 | TheMasterMind1 | smaller |
| 01:58:15 | TheMasterMind1 | more efficient |
| 01:58:18 | TheMasterMind1 | dhcpcd is crap |
| 01:58:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate it |
| 01:58:31 | Onyx4 | good to hear that then |
| 01:59:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:59:30 | TheMasterMind1 | should i make a page where you can add stuff for me to add to the oz feed? |
| 02:00:21 | darienm | treke|home: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/vnc_rocket.png |
| 02:00:26 | KallDrexx | how do I install stuff to my CF with ipkg? |
| 02:00:39 | TheMasterMind1 | in oz? |
| 02:00:43 | DrXXXXwrk | does oz have pppd and will minicom work with it (i should get off my ass and try it i know i know) hehe |
| 02:00:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg -d cf |
| 02:00:48 | KallDrexx | no regular sharp rom |
| 02:00:53 | TheMasterMind1 | DrXXXXwrk no pppd yet |
| 02:00:58 | DrXXXXwrk | nm |
| 02:01:06 | DrXXXXwrk | i need it for my cellphone serial connection |
| 02:01:07 | DrXXXXwrk | doh |
| 02:01:08 | TheMasterMind1 | you can get it from the ipaq feed |
| 02:01:11 | TheMasterMind1 | it will work |
| 02:01:14 | treke|home | darienm: excellant! thanks |
| 02:01:18 | TheMasterMind1 | its just not in the oz feed officially |
| 02:01:19 | DrXXXXwrk | probally |
| 02:01:20 | TheMasterMind1 | until i get off my ass |
| 02:01:29 | TheMasterMind1 | and compile it |
| 02:01:39 | angry | whardier: any new 3d stuff? :) |
| 02:01:54 | DrXXXXwrk | so anything for linux somewhat will work for the zaurus,, it just has to be compiled on it? |
| 02:01:56 | DrXXXXwrk | something like it |
| 02:02:16 | TheMasterMind1 | it has to be compiled for an ARM processor |
| 02:02:23 | TheMasterMind1 | and if it uses a gui, linked with qt etc |
| 02:02:26 | DrXXXXwrk | gotcha |
| 02:02:34 | DrXXXXwrk | cool |
| 02:02:38 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 02:02:41 | treke|home | that only uses the subset of qt thats on the zaurus |
| 02:02:45 | TheMasterMind1 | command line stuff is a breeze as you can imagine |
| 02:02:54 | DrXXXXwrk | yep |
| 02:02:55 | TheMasterMind1 | most of it anyway |
| 02:02:55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:03:07 | Onyx4 | no X11 support unless you install it , but you need lots of room |
| 02:03:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:03:29 | TheMasterMind1 | run X in the background with a vnc server |
| 02:03:31 | angry | does fluxbox run on gnome or independantly |
| 02:03:31 | TheMasterMind1 | then use keypebble |
| 02:03:34 | TheMasterMind1 | or other way around |
| 02:03:41 | KallDrexx | arg ipkg -d /var/mnt/cf <package> doens't wokr |
| 02:03:44 | TheMasterMind1 | angry flux is identpendent |
| 02:03:47 | TheMasterMind1 | that's why its so great |
| 02:03:53 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx its -d cf not -d /var/mnt/cf |
| 02:03:54 | Onyx4 | just ipkg -d cf |
| 02:03:55 | angry | and it supports gnome and kde apps? |
| 02:03:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, why /var/mnt |
| 02:04:03 | TheMasterMind1 | is this sharp or oz? |
| 02:04:05 | treke|home | angry: no |
| 02:04:12 | TheMasterMind1 | angry yep it does |
| 02:04:15 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home it does |
| 02:04:20 | angry | hehe |
| 02:04:29 | angry | thats cool |
| 02:04:30 | TheMasterMind1 | angry read fluxbox.sf.net |
| 02:04:35 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: try and fit the kde and gnome libraries on :) |
| 02:04:35 | Onyx4 | anybody using zbedic ? |
| 02:04:47 | angry | i'm going to install fluxbox with debian tomorrow |
| 02:04:49 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home you can do --with-kde etc when compiling |
| 02:04:51 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway |
| 02:04:52 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 02:04:53 | KallDrexx | -d cf dindt' install it either |
| 02:04:56 | KallDrexx | told me it wasn't valid |
| 02:04:58 | TheMasterMind1 | angry apt-get install fluxbox :D |
| 02:05:05 | treke|home | oh fluxbox ;0 |
| 02:05:07 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx OZ OR SHARP? |
| 02:05:12 | angry | TheMasterMind1: ahh, the latest package isnt that latest flux version |
| 02:05:17 | treke|home | I thought you meant the z |
| 02:05:17 | KallDrexx | sharp |
| 02:05:21 | TheMasterMind1 | use unstable then |
| 02:05:36 | treke|home | kisses blackbox |
| 02:05:36 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: i'm using Shapr 1.38 |
| 02:05:52 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: most people here don't use sharp rom anymore, so it's hard sometimes to remember :) |
| 02:06:01 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx there's your problem. sharps rom doesn't support that |
| 02:06:10 | TheMasterMind1 | afaik |
| 02:06:15 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: you gotta use the gui installer |
| 02:06:16 | angry | TheMasterMind1: when i apt upgrade for fluxbox does it automagically upgrade it so i dont need to change any settings or schtuff |
| 02:06:19 | KallDrexx | so I have to flash to oz? |
| 02:06:28 | TheMasterMind1 | angry yep |
| 02:06:33 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: it's giving me some "ipkg reports that it had an error" and won't tell me what it is |
| 02:06:37 | TheMasterMind1 | angry themastermind1.net/syslab/basics.php <- debian basics |
| 02:06:50 | Onyx4 | KallDrexx: try the gui in settings to install packages instead |
| 02:07:02 | angry | TheMasterMind1: i love you |
| 02:07:02 | angry | hehe |
| 02:07:02 | ljp_ | fluxbox rulz, dood |
| 02:07:24 | TheMasterMind1 | angry read basics-install.php also |
| 02:07:25 | ljp_ | BZFlag: ping |
| 02:07:26 | TheMasterMind1 | anyways |
| 02:07:27 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 02:07:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i sleepith |
| 02:07:48 | ljp_ | well, if you love hime so much, why not marry him? |
| 02:08:11 | treke|home | ljp_: I love you |
| 02:08:28 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 02:08:28 | ljp_ | akk! |
| 02:08:47 | ljp_ | soory.. I'm taken.. I already have a cat |
| 02:08:50 | mutexer | If you were going to make a tile engine for the Z what would you use to render it? |
| 02:09:04 | ljp_ | the screen |
| 02:09:11 | mutexer | Canvas with QCanvasSprites or is their a better option? |
| 02:09:17 | TheMasterMind1 | the official tile rendering software |
| 02:09:17 | ljp_ | oohhhhh |
| 02:09:32 | mutexer | damn I thought rendering to only to memory was gonna work |
| 02:09:54 | treke|home | mutexer: Yer best choice is to draw to a QDirectPainter and handle all the drawing yourself |
| 02:10:27 | angry | i cant seem to find an ftp or http site with a 3.0 stable ISO of debian |
| 02:10:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:10:47 | TheMasterMind1 | isos suck |
| 02:10:49 | TheMasterMind1 | don't use em |
| 02:10:59 | TheMasterMind1 | get the boot floppies |
| 02:11:06 | ljp_ | debian is over rated anyway |
| 02:11:12 | KallDrexx | Where do I get the Oz ROM? |
| 02:11:26 | ljp_ | from the merry land of Oz.. where else? |
| 02:11:32 | mutexer | treke|home: is QPainter the same as QDirectPainter? |
| 02:11:36 | | openzaurus is probably a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 02:11:36 | ljp_ | ibot: openzaurus |
| 02:11:39 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_ no need to get jealous now |
| 02:11:58 | Cloudchaser | ljp do you have a minute? |
| 02:12:04 | ljp_ | nnaaaa.. no jealous |
| 02:12:05 | treke|home | mutexer: no |
| 02:12:19 | treke|home | mutexer: QDirectPainter lets you write directly to the framebuffer |
| 02:12:32 | mutexer | that a qpe special function? |
| 02:12:32 | TheMasterMind1 | xx |
| 02:12:47 | treke|home | mutexer: just another class |
| 02:13:27 | treke|home | http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/qdirectpainter.html |
| 02:13:29 | mutexer | do you know where there are docs on it? |
| 02:13:48 | mutexer | thats in 3.0...that gonna work on the Zaurus? |
| 02:13:52 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:14:02 | mutexer | I was told the Zaurus only had 2.3 |
| 02:14:14 | treke|home | It does. QDirectPainter is in 2.3 |
| 02:14:20 | treke|home | its only Documented in 3.0 |
| 02:14:25 | mutexer | oh |
| 02:14:29 | mutexer | thx |
| 02:15:26 | angry | does fluxbox support multiple monitors? |
| 02:16:11 | NeoTron | Onyx4: evening |
| 02:16:45 | anggarda | Anyone knows why sharp didn't use lithium polymers batteries in zaurus? |
| 02:17:18 | Onyx4 | NeoTron: im heading out soon :) |
| 02:18:00 | Onyx4 | I did like candy crusher the best ;) |
| 02:18:23 | Onyx4 | but haven't had time to read the stategic assault manual yet |
| 02:18:54 | NeoTron | :) |
| 02:19:10 | Onyx4 | RE is a bit hard to get used to the controls |
| 02:20:26 | NeoTron | it's a bit tricky yes |
| 02:20:31 | treke|home | RE is just plain hard |
| 02:20:33 | Onyx4 | im just not good with arcade style games hehe |
| 02:20:38 | NeoTron | probably the hardest game that I have |
| 02:20:53 | treke|home | which is why I probably wont be buying it :) |
| 02:20:53 | NeoTron | I wish it had a between-levels save game |
| 02:20:59 | NeoTron | so you could save and continue later |
| 02:21:01 | Onyx4 | I can't get passed the 2nd level of supermario on GBC :) |
| 02:21:04 | treke|home | NeoTron: you can... |
| 02:21:06 | NeoTron | no |
| 02:21:22 | NeoTron | it doesnt' save equipment, only lives and upgrades |
| 02:21:29 | treke|home | ah |
| 02:21:37 | NeoTron | so if I were to get to IO, die and try to restart I'd have no chance in hell |
| 02:21:57 | treke|home | ah... so thats why I cant get past IO :) |
| 02:22:01 | NeoTron | I should check with Doug if he'd mind if I added that feature to make the game a bit easier |
| 02:22:13 | NeoTron | it's kind of insane to have to play through ALL levels in one run to win it |
| 02:22:23 | treke|home | yeah |
| 02:22:30 | NeoTron | simply because I'd say it's rare to spend that much time on a PDA in one sitting |
| 02:22:56 | treke|home | exactly |
| 02:23:06 | Onyx4 | ok now i'm really going... l8r |
| 02:23:06 | mutexer | treke|home: do you know of any examples anywhere on how to use the QDirectPainter? |
| 02:23:38 | NeoTron | mutexer: I should make a sample at some poing. With all my SPARE TIME. hah |
| 02:23:56 | treke|home | mutexer: opie-players source |
| 02:24:11 | mutexer | does it work just like a QPainter except that it accesses directly? |
| 02:24:20 | NeoTron | not at all. :)) |
| 02:24:30 | NeoTron | you use it to get a pointer to the raw framebuffer memory |
| 02:24:43 | mutexer | framebuffer the screen? |
| 02:24:51 | noda | Hallo everybody :) |
| 02:24:59 | mutexer | as in would i need to implement double buffering? |
| 02:25:07 | treke|home | mutexer: yup |
| 02:25:07 | Shtoink | Hello everyone |
| 02:25:15 | chouimat|Zzz | ght |
| 02:25:17 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
| 02:25:22 | treke|home | mutexer: you get to implement everything :) |
| 02:25:47 | mutexer | is there an easy way to do the double buffering or do you have to do a straight memory write? |
| 02:26:30 | NeoTron | it's all low level |
| 02:26:43 | NeoTron | you do the double buffering by having a raw backbuffer. :P |
| 02:27:10 | mutexer | yeah..IM not to positive on how to do that |
| 02:27:18 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 12 hours, 27 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: anggarda: I have no clue .. I never even flashed my Z once - I am still using ROM it came with [Wed Sep 4 14:59:30 2002] |
| 02:27:18 | jbardin | ibot seen warmi |
| 02:27:36 | mutexer | all I needs a simply example program...too bad one doesnt exist |
| 02:29:31 | darienm | mutexer: Sketches of Q uses double buffering |
| 02:30:28 | mutexer | IM looking in the Black art of 3d game programming book in hoping it helps....where can I get the source to Sketches of Q? |
| 02:30:43 | | Zaurus SOftware INdex is at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 02:30:43 | mutexer | ibot Zaurus SOftware INdex |
| 02:30:56 | | Sketches_Of_Q 0.9 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=174 |
| 02:30:57 | | Tu-Ya 1.01 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=243 |
| 02:30:57 | darienm | ibot search zsi for sketches |
| 02:31:24 | mutexer | cool didnt know the ibot could do that |
| 02:31:39 | darienm | I taught it how. |
| 02:31:43 | noda | ibot is damned cool :) |
| 02:31:54 | ljp_ | sugar make ibot a long island ice tea |
| 02:31:54 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to ibot. |
| 02:32:15 | | Atari_800_Emulator >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=328 |
| 02:32:16 | | FB_VNC_Server >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=21 |
| 02:32:17 | | GraphIt!_Full 1.5.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=263 |
| 02:32:18 | | 3 of 4 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=buffer |
| 02:32:18 | darienm | ibot search zsi for buffer |
| 02:32:48 | mutexer | where is the source at? I can only find the ipk |
| 02:33:03 | darienm | mutexer: write the author, his address is at the bottom of the wiki page |
| 02:34:48 | darienm | mutexer: http://developer.zaurus.de/projects.php/sketches/ |
| 02:35:32 | angry | bling bling |
| 02:35:47 | angry | im out |
| 02:35:54 | angry | just like everyone on sterling.freenode |
| 02:35:54 | angry | heh |
| 02:36:28 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:37:49 | mutexer | does inline asm work on the zaurus? (Ive never worked on a different processor before) |
| 02:38:01 | cdm | mutexer: as long as it is ARM asm. |
| 02:38:25 | oGMo | i just had a great idea |
| 02:38:30 | mutexer | IM guessing these code sniplets I have wont work then |
| 02:38:45 | oGMo | sent it to the list, too, in a slightly unrelated message, but |
| 02:38:46 | treke|home | probably not :) |
| 02:39:03 | cdm | mutexer: no, probably for x86. |
| 02:39:10 | oGMo | imagine... 4 people, 4 zauruses, 4 wireless cards... playing deathmatch doom :) |
| 02:39:28 | cdm | oGMo: yeah - seen BZflag doing that on an iPaq. |
| 02:39:41 | oGMo | cdm, rule |
| 02:39:49 | oGMo | waitasec |
| 02:40:07 | oGMo | cdm: bzflag on an ipaq? i thought that required GL... |
| 02:40:16 | cdm | oGMo: no, I mean Tim. |
| 02:40:23 | jbardin | anyone got a good site that lists all the perphals and what not with prices for the zaurus |
| 02:40:23 | jbardin | and other pdas? |
| 02:40:37 | oGMo | cdm: ah, dunno waht that is |
| 02:40:47 | oGMo | jbardin: look at a local good guys or best buy if possible |
| 02:40:48 | cdm | jbardin: AFAIK, you can plug in any SD/MMC or CF device. |
| 02:40:53 | oGMo | jbardin: someone i know is getting one for $299 |
| 02:40:55 | cdm | jbardin: there aren't many other devices. |
| 02:41:06 | treke|home | oGMo: Tim Rikker==BZFlag on IRC == Maintainer of BZFlag |
| 02:41:12 | cdm | oGMo: Tim Riker, nick on irc is BZFlag. CTO @ Lineo? |
| 02:41:15 | oGMo | jbardin: actually ignore me since my ability to read seems impared |
| 02:41:22 | oGMo | cdm: oh ;) |
| 02:41:40 | oGMo | <--- seems confused at the moment ;) |
| 02:41:41 | cdm | oGMo: 2 years ago at ESC West he was playing around with an iPaq playing doom. |
| 02:41:53 | cdm | back when Lineo could afford to put on a show. |
| 02:41:59 | oGMo | hehe |
| 02:42:02 | oGMo | cdm, cool |
| 02:42:21 | oGMo | nintendo ought to throw bluetooth into the next GBA |
| 02:43:33 | cdm | yeah, that would be pretty cool. |
| 02:43:36 | tweek | does anyone know where i can get the MOST RECENT konqueror IPK? |
| 02:43:50 | tweek | everyone i find gives the error "tar: Bad tar header" |
| 02:43:52 | tweek | and i can't install it |
| 02:43:52 | treke|home | tweek: http://opie.info |
| 02:44:15 | treke|home | tweek: Using a zaurus? |
| 02:44:30 | treke|home | with the sharp rom? |
| 02:44:44 | tweek | treke|home: yeah, sharp rom, 5000D |
| 02:45:01 | treke|home | tweek: extract it by hand. |
| 02:45:09 | treke|home | run ar x konq-whatever.ipk |
| 02:45:19 | treke|home | then tar xvzf data.tgz to get the data out |
| 02:45:22 | tweek | ar x? |
| 02:45:32 | treke|home | yes, In a konsole |
| 02:46:18 | tweek | hmm, ok, i'll give that a shot' |
| 02:46:27 | tweek | where do i run the 'tar' command - in / ? |
| 02:46:32 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:46:41 | treke|home | the sharp rom cant understand the new ipk format |
| 02:47:26 | tweek | what "new" ipk format? isn't it their format? |
| 02:48:02 | treke|home | the new ipkg format is to put a control.tar.gz and a data.tar.gz into a single ar archive istead of putting them in a tar.gz |
| 02:48:20 | treke|home | The format came from CRL |
| 02:48:30 | mutexer | Is there a disadvantage to me using QPainter? It seems easier to use...at least it has more docs |
| 02:48:33 | treke|home | althought the new one is basically the debian format |
| 02:48:39 | treke|home | mutexer: Its slower |
| 02:48:48 | tweek | treke|home: hmm...well, i'd like to be able to use OZ, but i can't (no CF) |
| 02:48:52 | mutexer | is it slower than QCanvas with QCanvasS\prites? |
| 02:49:01 | treke|home | dont know |
| 02:49:13 | mutexer | what IM using right now is too slow |
| 02:49:52 | tweek | treke|home: so, openzaurus DOES understand the new ipk format, right? |
| 02:50:13 | treke|home | tweek: yes |
| 02:50:15 | oGMo | probably |
| 02:50:54 | oGMo | tweek, you should get at least a 32MB CF card anyway, since you'll probably want to upgrade the rom even if you stick to sharp |
| 02:51:35 | tweek | oGMo: true...how much are those cards? |
| 02:51:52 | mutexer | treke|home: do you know if this works with QDirectPainter? - void bitBlt ( ... ) |
| 02:52:24 | oGMo | tweek: dunno, prolly $20 or so |
| 02:52:42 | oGMo | depends on where you shop, maybe more maybe less |
| 02:52:42 | oGMo | i got a 256MB one for $95 so it can't be THAT much |
| 02:52:59 | oGMo | tweek: check amazon |
| 02:53:24 | tweek | will do, thanks :) |
| 02:53:27 | Cloudchaser | i've a question..i'm installing ssh on sharp rom |
| 02:53:41 | Cloudchaser | and it says in readme to use 2 parameters |
| 02:54:11 | Cloudchaser | s for sd card and f for all, and so i type ./install.sh cf or ./install -cf |
| 02:54:26 | Cloudchaser | and it says invalid install location |
| 02:54:45 | Cloudchaser | am i typing the parameters wrong? |
| 02:55:27 | oGMo | install c f or whatever |
| 02:55:29 | tweek | treke|home: ok, my root dir is a read-only file system - how the heck do i install now? |
| 02:55:45 | oGMo | it doesn't use getopt |
| 02:56:02 | oGMo | lags while downloading rosegarden-4 |
| 02:56:03 | Cloudchaser | oh thank you! |
| 02:56:08 | Cloudchaser | tried everything but that :) |
| 02:56:43 | oGMo | heh ;) |
| 02:57:00 | oGMo | actually i don't even know if it has getopt on there, i doubt it |
| 02:57:35 | oGMo | you know, having a fully multitasking OS in the palm of your hands is just... nice |
| 02:57:52 | oGMo | oh it DOES have 'getopts' |
| 02:58:17 | oGMo | but that appears to be a bashism |
| 02:58:31 | treke|home | tweek: dunno. The sharp rom isnt meant to run konq :) |
| 02:59:10 | tweek | treke|home: only the OZ rom, right? |
| 03:05:29 | Shtoink | Is the latest OZ stable enough to be worth running yet? |
| 03:07:29 | darienm | Shtoink: I believe it is |
| 03:08:09 | noda | I run OZ - it's not perfect, but I find it more stable than the sharp ROM. |
| 03:08:19 | Shtoink | Yeah? |
| 03:08:48 | noda | If you don't use HanComWord and if you can live with Konqueror instead of Opera, make the switch. It's better :) |
| 03:09:19 | darienm | You can also install the hancom packages |
| 03:09:21 | Cloudchaser | there's still some glitches with it |
| 03:09:26 | darienm | If you first pull them off the Sharp install |
| 03:09:27 | Cloudchaser | i just put sharp rom back on |
| 03:09:42 | oGMo | hum, maybe it's nicer in real life, but the sl-a300 doesn't look very sexy |
| 03:09:52 | noda | Doesn't have a keyboard either. |
| 03:09:56 | darienm | I'm in charge of 4 Z's. Two of us run Sharp, two run OZ. |
| 03:10:09 | Cloudchaser | if i had 4 z's i'd run both also |
| 03:10:17 | Cloudchaser | since i hve only one and have to depend on it |
| 03:10:25 | fusion94 | oGMo: i dont think it looks that good in real life either |
| 03:10:29 | noda | OZ does so many things better. For example, if I press the "full reset" button I won't lose my calendar. |
| 03:10:30 | Cloudchaser | sharps backup is better and installing ipkg is better |
| 03:10:46 | noda | Cloudchaser: opikg sucks, but ipkg is fine. Just use the command-line :) |
| 03:10:51 | oGMo | fusion94: i've heard it's thin, but the face looks like some 20-year-old nintendo controller |
| 03:10:59 | noda | Sharp's ipkg installer is a pain in the rear IMO |
| 03:11:00 | Cloudchaser | i don't want to |
| 03:11:05 | fusion94 | oGMo: and the buttons suck |
| 03:11:12 | Cloudchaser | i just installed 30 apps |
| 03:11:15 | oGMo | fusion94: damn |
| 03:11:16 | Cloudchaser | with not one problem |
| 03:11:26 | Cloudchaser | hey i like oz alot |
| 03:11:27 | fusion94 | i much prefer the 5500 |
| 03:11:31 | Cloudchaser | but it still has issues |
| 03:11:40 | Cloudchaser | i'll try it again when some of them are resolved |
| 03:11:53 | fusion94 | i'd run oz but i don't like the people that do it |
| 03:12:00 | tweek | does OZ's ipkg support feeds? |
| 03:12:10 | Cloudchaser | yes so does sharps |
| 03:12:11 | tweek | and how do you add a feed to the command-line ipkg command? |
| 03:12:22 | Cloudchaser | but 2 times i've gotten hosed by updates |
| 03:12:24 | Cloudchaser | and had to reflash |
| 03:12:29 | Cloudchaser | without a good back up |
| 03:12:37 | noda | tweek: It's somewhere in /etc I think... |
| 03:12:46 | noda | /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 03:13:09 | tweek | noda: oh, bueno - so you can just do 'ipkg install whatever.ipk' even if 'whatever.ipk' isn't in your local filesystem? |
| 03:13:22 | noda | tweek: Just "ipkg install whatever" :) |
| 03:13:38 | noda | And just like dpkg, you can go "ipkg update && ipkg upgrade" and you'll have the latest and greatest :) |
| 03:13:50 | tweek | haha, cool!! |
| 03:14:04 | Cloudchaser | yeah assuming that updating everything to the latest and greatest allows you to restart your z |
| 03:14:05 | tweek | noda: so, i could do 'ipkg install konqueror' and that would work? |
| 03:14:29 | noda | tweek: Yeah, but you SHOULD do "ipkg -dest mtdram install konqueror" or you'll be nearly out of ROM space :) |
| 03:14:46 | Cloudchaser | it is very nice, but be prepared for some oddities and quirks |
| 03:14:56 | Cloudchaser | and possible lost of data if you haven't backed things up |
| 03:15:05 | noda | Naturally :) |
| 03:15:08 | tweek | noda: what is 'mtdram'? |
| 03:15:37 | tweek | i don't actually have a CF card yet Cloudchaser to re-flash, just trying to figure out which is better (sharp rom or OZ) |
| 03:16:06 | Shtoink | I'm in the same boat 06(05tweek06) |
| 03:16:08 | Shtoink | DOH |
| 03:16:12 | Shtoink | Stupid script |
| 03:16:13 | noda | tweek: You have 4 storage devices on the Zaurus: ROM (The stuff that you flash), CF (compactflash memory cards), SD memory cards, and the section of RAM used for storage, called 'mtdram' |
| 03:16:16 | Shtoink | Hang on a sec |
| 03:16:26 | tweek | noda: oh, i didn't know that's what it was called |
| 03:16:34 | tweek | Shtoink: what are you going to use, OZ or sharp? |
| 03:17:08 | mutexer | anyone know of a function that gets called repeatedly that I can put my graphics drawing stuff in? or know how I could set one up? |
| 03:17:09 | Shtoink | Right now it's the updated sharp rom |
| 03:17:43 | tweek | Shtoink: yeah, i have 1.37 (i have a 5000D), and i'm just waiting for my w.network card to come to get my Z really working |
| 03:17:46 | Shtoink | I'd like to see how OZ works, but I'm a little vnervous |
| 03:18:04 | tweek | seriously, me too |
| 03:18:06 | noda | Once you have a true networking card, things become a whole lot better :) |
| 03:18:08 | Shtoink | This is my third Z |
| 03:18:18 | noda | Having lots of storage is sweet too :) |
| 03:18:21 | Shtoink | I had to take the other 2 back and exchange them |
| 03:18:22 | tweek | noda: yeah, that's what i've been told - my Z is basically useless w/o network :) |
| 03:18:26 | tweek | Shtoink: how come? |
| 03:18:37 | tweek | noda: yeah, i bought a 128 meg SD card as well :) |
| 03:18:52 | Shtoink | First one had permanent pixels out and would fail to turn on more often than not |
| 03:19:00 | noda | 128MB... if you get an Ogg player you can fit 5 CD's worth of decent-quality music on that :) |
| 03:19:10 | Shtoink | The second one died a very horrible death trying to back it up |
| 03:19:38 | Shtoink | No init was available and it would not go past the initial sharp boot screen |
| 03:19:38 | jbardin | anyone know howto setup a 1gridlayout so it doesnt overlap the qmenubar? |
| 03:20:01 | oGMo | "the fifth had an unfortunate incident involving pea soop and the tail of a cat" |
| 03:20:07 | oGMo | soup, damnit |
| 03:20:10 | jeremyb | hello all |
| 03:20:22 | all | hello, jeremyb! |
| 03:20:27 | Shtoink | (noda) I got a 64MB sd card and a 64MB CF card |
| 03:20:50 | oGMo | has way too much to do, or he'd spend less time here making wisecracks |
| 03:21:36 | Shtoink | hehehe |
| 03:22:01 | Shtoink | Right now I would like to see that this current one stay functional as long as possible |
| 03:22:22 | Cloudchaser | i actually have more space with sharp rom than i did with oz |
| 03:22:54 | treke|home | gets ready to release a new vnc viewer |
| 03:23:02 | Shtoink | The OZ ROM can run all the normal packages, correct? |
| 03:23:02 | Cloudchaser | ooh nice treke |
| 03:23:22 | Cloudchaser | yes but it takes some doing with some of them |
| 03:26:07 | jeremyb | anybody have any ideas on what would cause the icon for .ipk files to disappear? |
| 03:26:39 | jeremyb | if i change the icon= line in the .desktop file, it will show the new icon...but not the Ipkg icon |
| 03:27:38 | burtonator | ne1 know what sdmgr depends on? it is just returning with no error. |
| 03:27:58 | burtonator | I can trying to start it from rcS.d/S21sd insted of rc2.d/S04sd |
| 03:28:19 | burtonator | oH! pcmcia! |
| 03:35:47 | Shtoink | Anyone heard of a possible development of a pcmcia card backpack for the Z |
| 03:35:56 | Shtoink | Kinda like the one the IpaQ has |
| 03:36:31 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: alrighty commited the scalling patches |
| 03:40:06 | fusion94 | is away: SFO |
| 03:42:29 | kuro5hin | i got my wireless card to do ad hoc the other day, but not with my home network. |
| 03:42:33 | kuro5hin | sux |
| 03:42:59 | treke|home | hmmm, Iwonder if smoothScale() is doing a lot of floating point math |
| 03:43:21 | kuro5hin | it only acts right if it gets an ip via dhcp on a managed nw. |
| 03:43:29 | kuro5hin | otherwise it is toast |
| 03:44:17 | kuro5hin | and works better if you put the correct essid. |
| 03:44:39 | kuro5hin | on my lappie been using any forever |
| 03:45:07 | kuro5hin | excuse the rambling |
| 03:46:08 | kuro5hin | i am totally hosed, time to go to the bar. |
| 03:48:10 | burtonator | Shtoink: one exists... but I don't knoW the URL. |
| 03:48:12 | burtonator | it was 39.99 |
| 03:50:56 | Shtoink | (burtonator) cool |
| 03:52:37 | darienm | Shtoink: explain "backpack" |
| 04:00:22 | W|GGL|T | darienm: you wanna put your site on the webring? |
| 04:02:34 | | zwebring is at http://W.webring.com/hub?ring=zaurussl5x00webr |
| 04:02:34 | W|GGL|T | ibot zwebring |
| 04:03:55 | darienm | W|GGL|T: Thanks for the invite, but no thanks at this time. |
| 04:05:40 | treke|portable | what more do you besides zsi... |
| 04:06:52 | W|GGL|T | ok |
| 04:07:27 | Shtoink | (darienm) it fits on the backside of the Z |
| 04:07:37 | Shtoink | Kinda like how the cellphone option does |
| 04:07:40 | W|GGL|T | sig! |
| 04:08:01 | darienm | Shtoink: I've seen a CF -> PCMCIA adaptor with an inch or two of cable between, I assume that would allow you to fold it. |
| 04:08:34 | Shtoink | (darienm) That's also a good option |
| 04:08:59 | darienm | Oh, by the way: I finally got Sharp Mobile to work. |
| 04:09:00 | Shtoink | Has someone made a fullsize KB yet? |
| 04:09:13 | Shtoink | (darienm) ?? |
| 04:09:22 | treke|portable | how do you like it? |
| 04:09:27 | darienm | By driving nearly 12 miles from my home, I was able to get a stable connection long enough to download 3K of a website before it stopped working. |
| 04:09:51 | treke|portable | that answers my question |
| 04:09:57 | darienm | Maybe tomorrow I'll drive 20 miles away and see if I can get on IRC. |
| 04:10:30 | darienm | I drove for 2 hours today with the thing on in 'scan' mode -- looking for a signal. |
| 04:10:42 | darienm | curses silently to himself |
| 04:11:16 | treke|portable | no service in my area |
| 04:11:50 | darienm | well, if the website had said that then I would have a different (more expensive) solution right now. But noooooooo, it said that service around here was "excellent" |
| 04:12:01 | darienm | curses silently to himself some more |
| 04:12:03 | jbardin | http://www.speedstacks.com/video/ss_vid_lg.avi that is the most insane thing i have ever seen |
| 04:12:11 | jbardin | note that video is in realtime |
| 04:15:00 | darienm | wow |
| 04:15:02 | darienm | nifty |
| 04:21:11 | treke|portable | darn, opie-plater wont play it |
| 04:22:12 | Onyx4 | I can't get this damn screen protector to slide under the frame |
| 04:22:19 | darienm | Onyx4: the G2 ? |
| 04:22:22 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 04:22:24 | treke|portable | hehe. Go2? |
| 04:22:25 | darienm | Onyx4: stop |
| 04:22:39 | Onyx4 | one edge of my Z kind of have a black thing that prevent is from going there |
| 04:22:47 | darienm | Onyx4: turn off your computer, go sit quietly without distraction, and take a good 20 minutes to do a good job. |
| 04:23:01 | treke|portable | hehe |
| 04:23:10 | darienm | Onyx4: It fits just like is says it should, just use your thumbnail and gently ease it under the frame on all sides. |
| 04:23:29 | Onyx4 | but that black thing , does it go under or over it ? |
| 04:23:31 | darienm | Onyx4: it takes patience and a steady hand, but the end result is well worth the time you spend on it now. |
| 04:23:33 | Onyx4 | one side of the frame doesnt have it |
| 04:23:36 | darienm | Onyx4: UNDER |
| 04:23:52 | darienm | Onyx4: You can get it under, lift the silver frame from the OUTSIDE edge. |
| 04:23:59 | darienm | Onyx4: gently, of course |
| 04:24:05 | Onyx4 | k I'll try again |
| 04:24:35 | darienm | Onyx4: Use your fingernails to gently pry the black area up, just enough to slide the protector under |
| 04:27:59 | Onyx4 | why did they put the tape on the side that goes up? |
| 04:28:09 | Onyx4 | rathen than the side that goes down on the screen |
| 04:29:10 | darienm | Onyx4: so you could pull off the film? |
| 04:29:26 | darienm | or maybe I'm not understanding the question. |
| 04:29:48 | Onyx4 | well the tape protects one side of the screen from getting fingerprints or something |
| 04:30:00 | Onyx4 | I thought this would be the side that goes on the pda screen |
| 04:30:27 | darienm | perhaps it is. |
| 04:30:57 | darienm | I don't recall off-hand, but I have two here I could look at. |
| 04:31:05 | darienm | (that's two not-yet-installed G2's) |
| 04:31:12 | darienm | I have one installed. |
| 04:32:01 | treke|portable | they are durable buggers |
| 04:32:53 | darienm | http://www.monzy.com/intro/intro_april01.html << scroll down or search for "boong-ga" |
| 04:56:50 | Speedy2 | Wow |
| 04:56:52 | Speedy2 | Dead in here |
| 05:01:56 | cdm | yeah, just like the sales. ba-dum-dum |
| 05:04:37 | Speedy2 | ooooh |
| 05:04:38 | Speedy2 | That was cold. |
| 05:04:42 | Speedy2 | You in a bad mood? |
| 05:06:09 | cdm | nah - it was funny. |
| 05:06:19 | cdm | that is why it had the ba-dum-dum after it. |
| 05:07:07 | jmhodges | wishes he hadnt missed it |
| 05:07:49 | Speedy2 | <Speedy2> Wow |
| 05:07:49 | Speedy2 | <Speedy2> Dead in here |
| 05:07:49 | Speedy2 | *** jmhodges has joined #zaurus |
| 05:07:49 | Speedy2 | <cdm> yeah, just like the sales. ba-dum-dum |
| 05:08:04 | VerxHome | re all |
| 05:08:10 | cdm | hey VerxHome |
| 05:08:18 | jmhodges | heheeh |
| 05:09:26 | Speedy2 | re VerxHome |
| 05:12:15 | cdm | DrBob has left the building. |
| 05:13:30 | Speedy2 | What are you up to tonight CDM? |
| 05:14:57 | cdm | making shit faster. |
| 05:15:07 | mutexer | reboot |
| 05:17:08 | VerxHome | durnit |
| 05:17:09 | VerxHome | bbl |
| 05:19:13 | deathmint|pc | So who knows where I can get the "most current" Qtopia desktop files for windows now that it's not on trolltech ftp site? |
| 05:24:47 | burtonator | Does Zaurus provide it? |
| 05:24:53 | burtonator | er Sharp |
| 05:25:08 | burtonator | I would imagine that Sharp would be mad at TrollTech for doing that. |
| 05:25:32 | deathmint|pc | The latest sharp desktop gives the version mismatch with oz |
| 05:25:36 | burtonator | anyone succeed at getting sd to mount on boot? |
| 05:25:44 | burtonator | I want to run /usr from my SD but I can't get it to mount at boot. |
| 05:25:51 | burtonator | ... and if I can't get it to mount on boot it totally fails :( |
| 05:26:20 | deathmint|pc | the FAQ refers to an exe that's not on the trolltech ftp server |
| 05:26:25 | burtonator | deathmint: that should be easy enough to fix. |
| 05:29:57 | deathmint|pc | and how's that? |
| 05:34:51 | darienm | deathmint|pc: You talking about QtopiaDesktop 1.6? |
| 05:35:33 | deathmint|pc | I assume so |
| 05:35:47 | darienm | I have a copy |
| 05:35:49 | deathmint|pc | 1.5 is what sharp is distributing as the latest |
| 05:36:10 | darienm | http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/ |
| 05:36:21 | darienm | the one there is the mysterious 1.6 version. |
| 05:36:42 | deathmint|pc | that's what I'm talking about... thx |
| 05:45:10 | burtonator | where would one find the source to 'sdmgr' ? |
| 05:45:16 | deathmint|pc | hmmm, shared key not working I guess |
| 05:45:58 | cdm | burtonator: don't belive yo do find the source since SD support is patented and closed. |
| 05:46:19 | burtonator | no shit! |
| 05:46:35 | burtonator | then where does sdmgr come from? |
| 05:46:40 | cdm | burtonator: Sharp. |
| 05:46:48 | cdm | burtonator: that is why there is no SD support for the iPaq. |
| 05:47:24 | burtonator | so it is binary only? |
| 05:47:34 | burtonator | why can we distribute it with the OZ then? |
| 05:48:00 | burtonator | ah... ok. |
| 05:48:02 | cdm | well, distribution is probably not restricted. |
| 05:48:06 | cdm | of the binary. |
| 05:48:12 | burtonator | is there any reverse engineering happening... |
| 05:48:14 | cdm | just that how SD works and such is all trade-secret stuff. |
| 05:48:28 | cdm | burtonator: not in any US area. |
| 05:48:44 | cdm | nor in any country that supports trade-secret violations. |
| 05:48:46 | burtonator | smells a pending DMCA violation ;) |
| 05:48:55 | burtonator | cdm: why did you say that? |
| 05:49:00 | burtonator | what? |
| 05:49:04 | cdm | because how it is done is a trade-secret. |
| 05:49:05 | NeoTron | is away: znoze |
| 05:49:11 | cdm | you have to pay money to become part of the SD group. |
| 05:49:25 | cdm | MMC is do-able. |
| 05:49:28 | cdm | no crypto. |
| 05:50:21 | burtonator | There really is no protection in the US for 'trade-secrets'... really just the DMCA. (so I don't know what yoU are talking about) |
| 05:50:56 | deathmint|pc | it's a process copyright |
| 05:51:52 | cdm | burtonator: Don't really care much for the legaleeze of it all. Just that I know that the SD stuff is all closed. |
| 05:52:03 | burtonator | ah... |
| 05:52:29 | burtonator | I actually think there is a section in the DMCA that still allows for reverse engineering for compatibility... |
| 05:52:34 | burtonator | ... I may be wrong. |
| 05:53:36 | burtonator | would the sd stuff need portmap? |
| 05:54:05 | cdm | burtonator: then they will slap ya with patent violations. |
| 05:54:24 | deathmint|pc | and then you have to defend that position in court |
| 05:54:32 | burtonator | cdm: there is no way to do this.. |
| 05:54:43 | burtonator | it would be in violation of the 1st amendment. |
| 05:54:55 | cdm | what would? |
| 05:54:59 | burtonator | Have you read the OpenSSH patent policy? It is very goOD. |
| 05:55:12 | burtonator | I can write source code for a patented tech |
| 05:55:19 | burtonator | ... just in order to use it I have to license it. |
| 05:55:44 | burtonator | so I can write an SD manager it is just that everyone who downloAds it has to purchase a patent license. |
| 05:56:05 | cdm | yep. Fun fun. Or if they ever catch you distributing a binary. |
| 05:57:04 | burtonator | you can do that too... |
| 05:57:13 | burtonator | just you have to license it in order to use it. |
| 05:57:21 | burtonator | People were doing this with SSL foR a long time. |
| 05:57:42 | burtonator | the issue is that if you piss them of they will sue you anyway... even if they plan to loOse. |
| 05:57:58 | cdm | they can make your life hell. |
| 05:58:26 | cdm | esp today - claim you are a terrorist trying to break crytpo. ;) |
| 05:58:47 | cdm | then you lose all your rights. |
| 05:59:07 | burtonator | right... give moRe moNey to the EFF ma |
| 05:59:10 | burtonator | man... |
| 05:59:18 | cdm | bah, i don't like them much either. |
| 05:59:24 | burtonator | jesus.. I can't figure out WTF is up with this SD card... |
| 05:59:30 | cdm | just more dogma of a different kind. |
| 05:59:31 | burtonator | huh? why? |
| 05:59:41 | burtonator | they are the only people defending your rights... |
| 05:59:51 | cdm | burtonator: bah, I am not American (and proud of it). |
| 06:00:03 | burtonator | where? |
| 06:00:05 | cdm | and the EFF are as bad as the US government. |
| 06:00:12 | cdm | just the opposite side of the debate. |
| 06:00:16 | burtonator | lives in SF and hangs with the EFF |
| 06:00:18 | burtonator | ? |
| 06:00:33 | cdm | burtonator: they have people make very false quotes. |
| 06:00:48 | cdm | burtonator: like the kid from MIT that hacked the xbox. |
| 06:01:29 | burtonator | bunny! |
| 06:01:39 | burtonator | ? |
| 06:01:56 | burtonator | all the EFF people are awesome... |
| 06:02:07 | cdm | burtonator: I am also not a fan of the GPL nor of many of the EFF members. |
| 06:02:11 | burtonator | I live in SF so I hang out or talk to them all the time... |
| 06:02:46 | burtonator | uh... ok. |
| 06:03:06 | burtonator | isn't necessarily a fan of the GPL either. |
| 06:03:27 | burtonator | ah... I think it nees the /var fs all setup... |
| 06:03:54 | Yoso | zealots always suck |
| 06:05:04 | burtonator | nothing is wrong with standing up for what you believe in. |
| 06:05:17 | burtonator | ... just when you don't keep an open mind with what other people are saying. |
| 06:07:23 | cdm | burtonator: Honestly - they would be better off trying to educate people rather then spout equally sensational propaganda. |
| 06:07:31 | cdm | burtonator: I am talking here, of course, how they presnet themselves in the media. |
| 06:07:36 | burtonator | such as? |
| 06:07:53 | cdm | burtonator: Like the DCMA and RIAA/MPAA stuff. |
| 06:07:58 | burtonator | constructive criticism only! |
| 06:08:03 | burtonator | and... |
| 06:08:09 | burtonator | example? |
| 06:08:11 | cdm | fact is, best way to beat the RIAA/MPAA and thier content restrictions is to NOT buy stuff. |
| 06:08:25 | cdm | and they should be educating people on the power of captiolism. |
| 06:08:40 | cdm | rather then releasing press releases with fear mongering. |
| 06:08:52 | burtonator | cdm: don't say that like it is a fact. |
| 06:09:04 | burtonator | not buying stuff won't help much... they have billions in the bank. |
| 06:09:13 | burtonator | it is important that geeks get involved politically. |
| 06:09:37 | burtonator | ok shit... I just fucked my zaurus... |
| 06:09:39 | cdm | burtonator: Not buying stuff is the only way to speak to the RIAA/MPAA. Because they have some much $$ no one will be able to lobby as hard as them. |
| 06:09:41 | burtonator | time to reflash. |
| 06:09:51 | cdm | they are still (mostly) public companies. |
| 06:09:57 | cdm | and a bad quarter is a bad quarter. |
| 06:10:18 | cdm | and shareholders have a lot of power to insist on good returns. |
| 06:10:21 | burtonator | one could argue that this would give them more evidence that people are stealing MP3s and would allow congress to pass more draconian laws. |
| 06:10:25 | burtonator | we have to do both. |
| 06:10:38 | burtonator | speak with our wallets and work politically. |
| 06:10:51 | cdm | burtonator: and if those laws are passed (and they will be), and they still don't have the sales? |
| 06:11:05 | burtonator | cdm: then we are fucked! |
| 06:11:10 | cdm | no, they are. |
| 06:11:11 | burtonator | I don't want those laws passed! |
| 06:11:20 | cdm | those laws are gonna pass. |
| 06:11:25 | cdm | too much $$ involved. |
| 06:11:28 | burtonator | one can't do a mount /dev/mmcda1/opt /opt ... hm... |
| 06:11:48 | burtonator | cdm: but you are *still* saying we shoUldn't do anything? |
| 06:11:54 | cdm | this is a country that won't even allow the 3rd presidential nominee to debate. |
| 06:11:57 | burtonator | even though the laws are goIng to pass? |
| 06:12:07 | cdm | burtonator: no, I am say you should do something - don't support companies you don't like/trust. |
| 06:12:15 | burtonator | cdm: I know... I don't like it either.. |
| 06:12:32 | burtonator | doesn't support any companies.. |
| 06:12:35 | cdm | because once they squeeze as hard as they can and still don't get any juice, they have to let go. |
| 06:13:13 | cdm | I was disgusted when I cam down here and found out I couldn't pay to have the LA and NY stations on my dish because the local stations can stop me from gettig them - bah, capitolism my ass. |
| 06:14:12 | cdm | burtonator: I support companies. And really I don't mind supporting the RIAA/MPAA member comanpnies for now - but if they make a CD I cannot easily rip I won't buy them anymore. |
| 06:14:24 | burtonator | it is capitalism... it just isn't a democracy! |
| 06:14:42 | cdm | it isn't capitalism - it requires a free economy with open markets. |
| 06:14:50 | burtonator | god... this stuff is so fucked up it is a shame we can't just all agree on something and work towards it. |
| 06:15:06 | cdm | and when markets are able to force laws into place to protect thier own interests then the market isn't open or free. |
| 06:15:25 | comfrey | agrees down with capitolism |
| 06:15:33 | kuro5hin | yes |
| 06:15:35 | cdm | shit, the local stations don't even have to PAY for thier airspace. |
| 06:15:42 | cdm | they get it for free. |
| 06:16:08 | cdm | least they could do is let me choose to pay a company that spent millions putting up satillites to give me programming I want. |
| 06:16:15 | cdm | I want to pay - I am just not allowed to pay. |
| 06:16:21 | cdm | totally insane. |
| 06:16:50 | cdm | nah, down with American business methods - capitolism is great as long as you have an open-market and educated public. |
| 06:17:02 | cdm | both lacking in America. |
| 06:17:06 | burtonator | you don't have either. |
| 06:17:38 | cdm | nope - and the people with control of the market ensure that the public doesn't get wel educated. |
| 06:17:45 | cdm | it is a wonderfully visious circle. |
| 06:18:26 | burtonator | they aren't exactly rocket scientists themselves... |
| 06:18:54 | cdm | oh no - but you don't have to be terribly educated to work well in a captiolistic system. |
| 06:19:15 | cdm | you need to have all of your citizens edowed with the ability to read. |
| 06:19:17 | cdm | that is a good start. |
| 06:19:47 | cdm | and then teach them to think critically of themselves, thier government and what they see and hear. |
| 06:19:48 | cdm | that is it. |
| 06:20:42 | cdm | I am always amazed at how the people I talk with here are not very aware of thier own governments policies and practicies. |
| 06:20:51 | cdm | something I find Canadians are very aware of. |
| 06:29:29 | Yoso | funny, I find most canadians...while very aware of their own government's policies and practices...usually still don't care. :) |
| 06:29:46 | Yoso | just a matter of informed ignorance versus uninformed ignorance |
| 06:29:58 | cdm | Yoso: I can't say I agree. |
| 06:30:15 | Yoso | cdm: It depends on where you are. |
| 06:30:47 | cdm | Yoso: I am always amazed at the CBC's ability to interview people from all walks of life from all regions of the country and find people with informed views and opinions. |
| 06:30:57 | cdm | Yoso: not that we are perfect by any means. |
| 06:31:10 | Yoso | cdm: Oh absolutely, that's what I said. But having views and opinions is very different from DOING something about them. |
| 06:31:21 | Yoso | cdm: Everyone has an opinion, but they still don't do anything about it. |
| 06:31:40 | cdm | Yoso: no question - apathy regins supream. |
| 06:31:40 | Yoso | Apathy is a very serious problem in Canada, I think, especially in the east. |
| 06:32:02 | Yoso | Eastern Canadians are so used to getting shit on by the govt. that they stop caring. |
| 06:32:12 | cdm | Yoso: but I was amazed to see the level of apathy and uniformed-ness down here. |
| 06:32:30 | Yoso | cdm: Yeah, no doubt about it, Americans are an ignorant lot for the most part. |
| 06:32:30 | Yoso | :) |
| 06:32:54 | KhensU | heh |
| 06:33:00 | cdm | Yoso: ;) Certain parts for sure. And even the parts that arent shit on are still getting screwed by the bastards like "Uncle John Bucannon" and the 80's excess. |
| 06:33:20 | Yoso | It's not entirely their fault though. American govt. and the education system do their best to keep people uninformed. |
| 06:33:24 | cdm | hates how his home has been screwed over the past 10 years. |
| 06:33:32 | kuro5hin | ya |
| 06:33:50 | cdm | Yoso: yeah, and it is mostly the companies that ensure that the gov't keeps them uniformed. |
| 06:34:18 | Yoso | Absolutely. Just goes to show that information *does* want to be free....that's why the govt. locks it up so tightly. :) |
| 06:34:31 | cdm | Yoso: you from the east coast? |
| 06:34:39 | Yoso | cdm: Originally, yeah. |
| 06:34:41 | kuro5hin | information begs to be free |
| 06:34:45 | cdm | Yoso: where abouts? |
| 06:34:57 | Yoso | kuro5hin: begs and whimpers until the guard comes to beat it into submission |
| 06:35:01 | Yoso | cdm: NS |
| 06:35:04 | kuro5hin | lol |
| 06:35:08 | cdm | Yoso: yeah yeah, where in NS? |
| 06:35:09 | kuro5hin | come on |
| 06:35:15 | Yoso | cdm: Annapolis Valley |
| 06:35:16 | kuro5hin | i got guns |
| 06:35:34 | cdm | ahhh, apple blossoms and Annapolis Royale.. |
| 06:35:41 | cdm | is from Truro. |
| 06:35:45 | Yoso | Coolness. |
| 06:36:04 | cdm | Yoso: where did ya go to school? |
| 06:36:13 | Yoso | cdm: Acadia |
| 06:36:19 | cdm | uh-huh - when? |
| 06:36:28 | Yoso | cdm: graduated in 99 I believe |
| 06:36:35 | kuro5hin | ireally fear opensource will come down to fisticuffs |
| 06:36:38 | cdm | so - you know Andrew Chyane? |
| 06:36:47 | kuro5hin | in the us |
| 06:36:50 | Yoso | cdm: Doesn't ring a bell |
| 06:37:01 | cdm | Yoso: hurm - he would have finished in '97. |
| 06:37:14 | cdm | Yoso: A lot of my classmates from CEC went to Acadia. |
| 06:37:22 | cdm | I was one of the few to leave the maratimes. |
| 06:37:38 | cdm | 1 to McGill, 1 to MIT and I went to Waterloo. |
| 06:37:52 | cdm | everyone else pretty much did St Marys, Dal, Acadian and the Mount. |
| 06:38:18 | Yoso | kuro5hin: Read that "Flow, My Tears, the Policeman Said" by P.K.Dick. Excellent story about a world where intellectuals and academia are the enemies of the State. I see Open Source occupying that role eventually. |
| 06:38:32 | Yoso | cdm: Waterloo....heh...no comment ;) |
| 06:38:42 | cdm | Yoso: huh? |
| 06:38:53 | Yoso | cdm: Didn't waterloo just sell out to Microsoft? |
| 06:39:28 | cdm | Yoso: yeah, a little bit it seems. MSFT bought coverage of C# in the programming intro courses in CE and CS. But along side of java and C++. |
| 06:39:49 | Yoso | cdm: It only takes a little bit, in the beginning. |
| 06:40:13 | cdm | Yoso: Waterloo is really quite strict about such things. Hardly the first dole of cash and funding MSFT has given the school. |
| 06:40:24 | cdm | Yoso: most of thier top people have been from Waterloo over the past 20 years. |
| 06:40:46 | Yoso | cdm: I unfortunately have never met a Waterloo CS major who didn't make me cringe. :) |
| 06:40:58 | Yoso | Present company excepted, of course. |
| 06:41:00 | cdm | Yoso: Well, Waterloo CS people are wierdos. |
| 06:41:05 | cdm | is an engineer thanks. |
| 06:41:09 | Yoso | ah, safe. |
| 06:41:34 | cdm | generally very smart people, and generally missing key social skills. |
| 06:41:47 | cdm | while Comp Engers are drinkers and smart. ;) |
| 06:41:55 | Yoso | I agree with you on one out of two in that statement. ;) |
| 06:42:17 | cdm | Yoso: well, Waterloo is a damned hard school to get into - and thier Math dept is one of the best in the world. |
| 06:42:38 | cdm | Yoso: but CE's get the better jobs in the end. ;) |
| 06:42:43 | Yoso | Well, I don't know how things are now, but it always had a bad rep among CS people I knew back when I was in school. |
| 06:43:17 | cdm | Yoso: Acadia is just bitter they never win the ACM. ;) |
| 06:43:20 | Yoso | Could just be typical school rivalry for all I know. |
| 06:43:39 | Yoso | cdm: hah, you can't get acadia students to participate in *anything*. they define the word "apathy" |
| 06:44:21 | cdm | Yoso: From the people I know in CS at Waterloo there are 3 types. The guys from HK that will be returning to HK on degree completion - not too interested in anything but studying. |
| 06:44:33 | cdm | the guys that are math geniouses (ie: Ian Goldburg). |
| 06:44:39 | cdm | and the guys that smell and like computers. |
| 06:44:47 | cdm | sometimes the last two mix. |
| 06:44:55 | cdm | ie: Ian Goldberg. ;) |
| 06:45:13 | cdm | although I am sure that Ian has cleaned up now that he is famous crytpo guy. |
| 06:45:26 | cdm | HK == Hong Kong |
| 06:45:35 | cdm | lot of HK'ers at Waterloo. |
| 06:45:36 | Yoso | fame does tend to bring with it the judicious use of soap |
| 06:45:38 | Yoso | :) |
| 06:46:05 | cdm | Smart guy though - he was in his last year in my first. |
| 06:46:23 | cdm | did some cool stuff using every computer in the CS dept. to do his raytracer for the grahics lab. |
| 06:46:32 | cdm | did near realtime photo-realitics rendering in '93. ;) |
| 06:46:53 | cdm | same trick he used to crack the first RSA challenge. |
| 06:46:57 | Yoso | often the difference between genius and smart-guy tends to be motivation. :) |
| 06:47:02 | cdm | yep. |
| 06:47:22 | cdm | although he is somewhat of a math savant. |
| 06:47:32 | Yoso | I fit the typical Acadia stereotype of lazy apathetic drunk. ;) |
| 06:47:45 | cdm | he could do silly things like write in postscript and plot nasty-ass distribution curves in his head. |
| 07:26:58 | burtonator | ok this is strange... |
| 07:27:06 | burtonator | ash doesn't follow symlinks huh? |
| 07:27:41 | burtonator | ah... ash is busybox... |
| 07:28:13 | burtonator | ok... I probably need to lay down bash ... |
| 07:39:46 | burtonator | I have a strange problem |
| 07:40:12 | burtonator | I have installed bash and relinked /bin/sh and /bin/ash to /bin/bash (so bash is always running) |
| 07:40:32 | burtonator | then if I type a bad command like 'adsf' I get: |
| 07:40:39 | burtonator | ash: asdf: command not found |
| 07:40:46 | burtonator | how did it get 'ash' ? |
| 07:40:50 | burtonator | I want ash to go away?! |
| 07:42:21 | Yoso | burtonator: it's probably taking the program name from the name provided during execution, which would be ash |
| 07:43:05 | Yoso | I bet if you link "screwyou" to /bin/bash and run it and then type "asdf" it will say |
| 07:43:10 | Yoso | screwyou: asdf: command not found |
| 07:43:11 | Yoso | :) |
| 07:43:30 | burtonator | ah... ok. |
| 07:43:34 | burtonator | you mean $0 |
| 07:43:40 | burtonator | ok... that makes sense... duh. |
| 07:46:34 | burtonator | wow... this is very strange. The zaurus can't seem to handle cross filesystem symlinks correctly... |
| 07:46:42 | burtonator | check this out |
| 07:47:02 | burtonator | the /usr dir is a symlink to /mnt/card/usr |
| 07:47:19 | burtonator | then when I have /usr/bin/tail symlinks to ../../bin/busybox it fails |
| 07:47:34 | burtonator | I guess because /mnt/bin/busybox doesn't exist. |
| 07:48:09 | burtonator | I can't figure out why it would do that... |
| 07:48:58 | burtonator | is that ht correct behavior? |
| 07:49:18 | burtonator | I would expect that it matters which dir you are using... |
| 07:55:33 | wazlaf | hi |
| 07:55:59 | wazlaf | anyone awake? |
| 07:56:00 | Yoso | evening |
| 07:56:53 | WormHome | hello |
| 07:58:49 | burtonator | yeh |
| 07:59:37 | burtonator | ok.. I think I have it almost fixed. |
| 08:00:13 | burtonator | I am working on getting /opt and /usr to run from SD so that you don't have to do package relocation and yoU can use all 64M + 16M ROM |
| 08:00:23 | burtonator | it is going to be sweet! |
| 08:01:14 | Nermal_Work | cool :) |
| 08:01:24 | Nermal_Work | does SD use less power than CF ? |
| 08:05:15 | burtonator | I don't know much... the differences are about the same. |
| 08:13:21 | cdm | SD is slower. |
| 08:45:10 | Jerakeen | I have my /opt and /root on SD. |
| 08:45:12 | Jerakeen | Dead easy to do. |
| 09:13:44 | burtonator | Jerakeen: how did you do it then? |
| 09:13:48 | burtonator | I am having a BITCH of a time. |
| 09:13:54 | burtonator | is this OZ? |
| 09:14:42 | Jerakeen | ye[p |
| 09:14:54 | burtonator | enlighten me please |
| 09:14:58 | Jerakeen | Esentially, I mounted the SD on opt, not othering with symlinks at all. |
| 09:15:13 | burtonator | when what did you do with /usr |
| 09:15:15 | burtonator | ? |
| 09:15:36 | burtonator | oh... you did /root |
| 09:15:37 | Jerakeen | I left /usr on hte flash. I have 8 megs free, I think that should be enough. |
| 09:15:49 | burtonator | ok... /opt is easy... |
| 09:15:55 | Jerakeen | /root is just a symlink to /opt/root for me. |
| 09:16:21 | burtonator | hm... I actually don't think this should work... |
| 09:16:25 | burtonator | does it? |
| 09:16:26 | Jerakeen | /usr you'll have /real/ problems with, as it's boot-essential, and the SD drivers won't ness. be loaded at that point... :-) |
| 09:16:48 | burtonator | you just have a different init from me as SD is initialized veRy late. |
| 09:17:10 | burtonator | right.. I had to change the SD boOt order. |
| 09:17:17 | Jerakeen | eh? SD is initialised very late, but nothing uses /opt untill we boot opie. |
| 09:17:29 | burtonator | yes... i know. |
| 09:17:54 | burtonator | opt seems to be the easiest... |
| 09:17:59 | Jerakeen | What's not working for you, then? |
| 09:19:27 | burtonator | oh.. the issues with bootup ;) |
| 09:19:35 | burtonator | actually the only problems seems to be busybox. |
| 09:19:44 | burtonator | if the symlinks were just also oN /bin they would work. |
| 09:20:34 | Jerakeen | Your symlink problem is standard/expected linux behaviour. |
| 09:20:46 | Jerakeen | use absoute paths? |
| 09:21:08 | burtonator | I want the HOWTO to be simple... ;) |
| 09:21:16 | burtonator | shit... maybe I will just give up... |
| 09:21:21 | burtonator | yeah... screw it. |
| 09:23:48 | burtonator | most software is on opt right? |
| 09:23:59 | burtonator | I mean everything because of qt and kde... |
| 09:25:07 | Jerakeen | yep. |
| 09:27:51 | burtonator | yeah... that will mean 10M free.... that is acceptable... |
| 09:28:25 | burtonator | god... I wish I would have realized that 12 hours ago... I would have actually gotten work done today... |
| 10:06:13 | particule | Bonjour! |
| 10:07:06 | Yoso | Konbanwa. |
| 10:08:49 | imm | hi |
| 10:09:18 | Yoso | hi |
| 10:10:12 | KallDrexx | ok guys i need soem major help |
| 10:10:25 | KallDrexx | usbdnet is crashing usb-ohci which causes my comp to freeze |
| 10:11:32 | KallDrexx | is that happening to anyone els? |
| 10:26:05 | kalldrexx_ | anyone here use usbdnet module with ohci? |
| 10:27:48 | burtonator | hey... |
| 10:28:09 | burtonator | how is the SD card mounted? I can't modify fstab to mount it on /oPt? |
| 10:28:29 | kolla | kalldrexx_: the docs explicitly tells you to use usb-uchi iirc :) |
| 10:28:51 | kalldrexx_ | kolla: where the docs i'm looking at say I can use ohci and I cna't use uhci |
| 10:28:53 | kolla | burtonator: it is mounted through the sd monitor |
| 10:29:09 | kolla | burtonator: so.. remove sdmon from /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 10:29:13 | Jerakeen | burtonator: Yes you can. You can't tell it not to /also/ mount it on /mnt/card. rmdir it. |
| 10:29:35 | Jerakeen | kolla: Oh, thought there'd be a 'real' way of doing it. :-) |
| 10:29:51 | kolla | read /etc/sdmon.conf or similar for details |
| 10:30:06 | burtonator | ah.. |
| 10:30:19 | burtonator | yoU mena /etc/sdcontrol ? |
| 10:30:21 | kalldrexx_ | kolla: what docs are you looking at that say that? |
| 10:30:27 | kolla | burtonator: yes |
| 10:30:31 | burtonator | that is fucking nonstandard! ug. |
| 10:30:36 | kolla | kalldrexx_: docs? |
| 10:30:45 | kalldrexx_ | <kolla> kalldrexx_: the docs explicitly tells you to use usb-uchi iirc :) |
| 10:30:51 | kolla | kalldrexx_: ah |
| 10:31:01 | kalldrexx_ | I have an sis so I cna't use uhci |
| 10:31:02 | kolla | hang on |
| 10:31:04 | kalldrexx_ | i can only use ohci |
| 10:31:10 | kolla | ok |
| 10:31:46 | burtonator | ok... sweet... rebooting... |
| 10:32:54 | burtonator | looks like that worked... |
| 10:33:03 | burtonator | (yay) |
| 10:35:43 | kolla | kalldrexx_: there used to be a website describing how to do it, but I cant seem to find it now |
| 10:36:03 | burtonator | ok... did the opt on SD upgrade ;) |
| 10:36:09 | burtonator | we will see how that runs... |
| 10:36:16 | kalldrexx_ | damn |
| 10:36:22 | kolla | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 10:36:24 | kolla | there it was |
| 10:36:52 | kolla | # Some people have reported file transfer problem on file larger than 65kB, it appears that is was due to the fact that they where using the uhci module instead of the usb-uhci. |
| 10:36:52 | kolla | If you're having this kind of problem and you are using the uhci module, try using usb-uhci instead. |
| 10:36:56 | kolla | ok, not quite explicit |
| 10:37:06 | kalldrexx_ | thanks |
| 10:37:20 | kalldrexx_ | err |
| 10:37:21 | kalldrexx_ | i can't use uhci |
| 10:42:25 | KallDrexx | kolla: so I can only connect to my z in windows basically? |
| 10:42:47 | killefiz | KallDrexx: get a cf network card and use that |
| 10:44:12 | KallDrexx | no money |
| 10:44:24 | imm | killefiz: would it be possible to add a author field to the entries on kf.de ? |
| 10:44:49 | killefiz | sure - but would it help? |
| 10:45:18 | imm | killefiz: there are some sites which rip out your content and don't give any credits |
| 10:46:00 | killefiz | credit to whom? to the author? |
| 10:46:36 | imm | killefiz: yes, if they cant find out who wrote it, they do weird things |
| 10:46:59 | killefiz | what site(s)? |
| 10:47:08 | imm | killefiz: http://www.mobile2day.de/platform_rim/software/software.html?x1=1160&x2=1227&se_ref_id=7644&catname=Spiele&subcatname=Arcade |
| 10:47:37 | imm | killefiz: i wrote them allredy an email |
| 10:48:04 | imm | killefiz: they will provide a GPL category |
| 10:49:01 | killefiz | strange - are you sure they' |
| 10:49:08 | killefiz | are using the zsi data? |
| 10:49:38 | imm | killefiz: thats the only place where i posted the screenshot |
| 10:50:04 | killefiz | so they have "stolen" the screenshot |
| 10:51:06 | imm | killefiz: thats your prob with them, mine is that the say its "Freeware" and that they dont give me any credits |
| 10:51:36 | kybu | killefiz are you considering to make more userfriendly version of zsi, like freshmeat or so? |
| 10:51:53 | killefiz | i don't care about the screenshot - i can add an Author's name field but i won't add an email address ... |
| 10:52:45 | killefiz | kybu: yes and no - i will add some more features but it won't become a fully fleged freshmeat replacement |
| 10:53:17 | kybu | killefiz i think zsi could be more userfriendly to ordinary people |
| 10:53:22 | imm | killefiz: don't know if it would be a good thing[tm] |
| 10:53:58 | killefiz | kybu: please write your ideas down and mail them to zaurus@killefiz.de |
| 10:54:04 | kybu | ook :) |
| 10:55:06 | killefiz | imm: ??? what is not a good thing? |
| 10:55:10 | imm | killefiz: they wrote that "da man" is on holydays till middle of next week |
| 10:55:46 | imm | killefiz: a name field |
| 10:56:36 | imm | killefiz: you could make a poll :) |
| 10:57:18 | killefiz | no i won't ;) |
| 10:58:25 | killefiz | i have to buy some food - bbl |
| 10:59:38 | kybu | killefiz ook email written |
| 11:42:09 | gurok | Hi, can anyone tell me how to get more than one terminal process open please ? |
| 11:44:23 | ljp_ | install the embeddedkonsole with tabs from myzaurus.com |
| 12:08:13 | numatrix | morning all |
| 12:09:33 | numatrix | so are you |out or not? |
| 12:10:47 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=447 |
| 12:10:48 | benmeyer | weeee |
| 12:10:58 | numatrix | benmeyer: sweet; that looks like a blast. |
| 12:11:08 | darienm | interesting |
| 12:11:48 | anselor | if only i had my Z to play it. :-P |
| 12:12:10 | numatrix | anselor: Patience, young padawan. |
| 12:14:03 | numatrix | benmeyer: his ipk is all kinds of kerfunked, but we'll forgive him that... |
| 12:14:13 | benmeyer | kerfunked? |
| 12:14:41 | numatrix | Messed up. He tries to install a /pics/zrally directory instead of /opt/Qtopia/shared or /opt/Qtopia/pics |
| 12:15:04 | benmeyer | make sure to e-mail him and let him know |
| 12:15:27 | numatrix | benmeyer: do you have his email? |
| 12:15:33 | numatrix | I don't see it anywhere. |
| 12:16:11 | benmeyer | uberotto@users.sourceforge.net |
| 12:16:25 | imm | anselor: dont tell me, to have a Z would be soooo great ! |
| 12:19:34 | numatrix | hmm; not bad; little hard to play. Turns too slowly, but it's got promise. |
| 12:20:33 | imm | numatrix: i deleted my .mozilla directory yesterday :( |
| 12:20:44 | numatrix | imm: bummer. You need my email again? |
| 12:20:54 | imm | numatrix: no, the stats :) |
| 12:21:00 | numatrix | imm.d0pe.com/webstats |
| 12:21:16 | imm | numatrix: thanks, i wrote it down in bit letters ! |
| 12:21:26 | anselor | numatrix: you figure out that webstats problem? |
| 12:21:52 | numatrix | anselor: for josh? No clue. Why is he always the problem? Nobody else has any issues, I have no clue... |
| 12:22:11 | anselor | numatrix: yeah, i think he's the one breaking it. ;-) remember what happened with f2s? |
| 12:23:47 | numatrix | shudders |
| 12:24:06 | numatrix | anselor: btw, the rack's gonna have to be under my 'company'. Stupid RS won't let me split the servers. I' |
| 12:24:22 | anselor | what? |
| 12:24:38 | anselor | any thoughts on migrating servers? |
| 12:24:39 | numatrix | 've been paying for d0pe and by busines stuff with personal CC, but I needed to move the bsp stuff to my business one, and they won't split it. All or nothing, and I can't keep dropping 200/month from my checking account. |
| 12:24:54 | numatrix | anselor: yeah. Apparently we're talking about a commercial colo here at work. That would absolutely rock. |
| 12:25:08 | numatrix | 90/month for a 1u |
| 12:25:42 | anselor | what kind of restrictions? do we need to comply with UF policies? |
| 12:25:57 | numatrix | anselor: yes. IE, don't break the law. |
| 12:26:11 | anselor | cuz i'd hate for the server to get shut down every time i complain about how stupid our teachers are. |
| 12:26:13 | numatrix | anselor: is there any UF policy that's more than that? |
| 12:26:32 | numatrix | anselor: that's acceptible use and has nothing to do with our server. |
| 12:26:43 | anselor | "my database professor is a nazi" |
| 12:26:47 | numatrix | That policy applies to individuals, not to entities. |
| 12:27:03 | numatrix | anselor: besides, that's allowed under the aup. |
| 12:27:29 | anselor | grove shut down joel and craig when they parodied dave's page. |
| 12:27:36 | numatrix | anselor: Believe me, I've let some absolutely atrocious sites go unfiltered, there's no way you could be more offensive. |
| 12:27:47 | numatrix | But like I said, aup probably wouldn't apply. |
| 12:27:55 | anselor | okay. |
| 12:28:29 | numatrix | anselor: and they could have easily fought it and got it put back up. Parody is fair usee. |
| 12:29:04 | numatrix | If ~anything~ is fair use, it's parody. It's pretty dang explicit in the laws. |
| 12:30:17 | anselor | okay. we'll have to purchase our own servers, though, right? |
| 12:31:10 | numatrix | moves the completely zaurus unrelated conversation to a query. |
| 12:32:06 | darienm | breathes a sigh of relief for that |
| 12:33:23 | numatrix | yeah, yeah... |
| 12:34:34 | anselor | sorry, heheh. |
| 12:34:46 | numatrix | anybody tried the HTML@Zaurus? |
| 12:39:02 | Harlekin | Onyx4: ping |
| 12:42:04 | imm | numatrix: you got mail ;) |
| 12:42:34 | numatrix | imm: done |
| 12:42:37 | numatrix | :-) |
| 12:43:05 | imm | numatrix: you are fast ! |
| 12:43:22 | numatrix | when my mail client is on the same server, I can save the attachment directly into the right place. Saves time. :-) |
| 12:46:07 | imm | numatrix: nice trick :) |
| 12:51:20 | chayim | anybody successfully running keyring on OZ? |
| 12:54:00 | ljp_work | I have before |
| 12:54:20 | chayim | ljp_work : I can't get it to start for some reason. I've installed it to SD btw. |
| 12:55:44 | numatrix | chayim: yeah, I had it installed and running at one point too. |
| 12:56:00 | chayim | numatrix : and idea what I did wrong, or what I need to do? I need all my keyring data back. |
| 12:57:06 | benmeyer | who want Zaurus trading cards! hehe featuring zaurus developers etc |
| 12:57:07 | numatrix | the program suddenly won't run at all? |
| 12:57:21 | numatrix | chayim: try rebooting? That might help, or unmounting/remounting your sd card. |
| 12:57:36 | numatrix | benmeyer: In addition to my virtual kendrick?! :-) |
| 12:57:40 | chayim | numatrix : I've never run it from OZ, just installed today, and I've rebooted recently. I'll give it a go. |
| 12:57:40 | benmeyer | yup |
| 12:57:50 | chayim | benmeyer : hook it up. |
| 12:57:51 | benmeyer | I have photos of the entire team from linux world |
| 12:57:52 | benmeyer | haha |
| 12:57:56 | benmeyer | I don't have the app yet |
| 12:57:58 | benmeyer | just photos |
| 12:58:08 | benmeyer | could make it like the star trek ccg or something |
| 12:58:09 | benmeyer | haha |
| 12:58:29 | benmeyer | it would be amusing. We could have atributes. Ben Meyer: coding +2 |
| 12:59:23 | prpplague | morning all |
| 12:59:47 | numatrix | benmeyer: we'd definitely have to be able to beam them around... |
| 12:59:47 | benmeyer | yup |
| 12:59:49 | benmeyer | they would be tar.gz files or something |
| 13:00:02 | numatrix | benmeyer: I'll give you benmeyer for a jason if you give me one future consideration for a first round pick |
| 13:00:54 | benmeyer | and for items we could have the 5000, 5500, etc |
| 13:01:06 | benmeyer | and the "game" would be to develop a application |
| 13:01:18 | benmeyer | you would need coders, graphics, docs, etc |
| 13:01:18 | ljp_work | how's thatbackup app coming along? ;) |
| 13:01:38 | numatrix | chayim: Ahh; from OZ. Hmm, I don't know. ljp_work, were you running it from OZ or sharp rom? |
| 13:01:43 | benmeyer | with events such as "hard drive died, no backup!" or CVS server installed, negates hard drive lost |
| 13:01:44 | benmeyer | hahaha |
| 13:02:15 | numatrix | thinks benmeyer is having a tad too much fun. ;-) |
| 13:03:02 | ljp_work | numatrix: both |
| 13:03:49 | benmeyer | oh wouldn't it be amusing |
| 13:03:58 | numatrix | It would be pretty funny. |
| 13:04:27 | benmeyer | ljp_work: backup app should be done by end of today |
| 13:04:41 | ljp_work | with source? perhaps? |
| 13:05:27 | benmeyer | yes |
| 13:05:29 | benmeyer | with source |
| 13:05:31 | benmeyer | har har |
| 13:05:57 | chayim | numatrix : I've run it on sharp before, but never on OZ. I just switched to OZ Monday. |
| 13:07:20 | ljp_work | groovey! mind if I add it to opie ? |
| 13:12:23 | benmeyer | no, you can go right ahead |
| 13:12:30 | kolla | benmeyer: rumours have it you know how to make opera work with oz? |
| 13:12:33 | numatrix | chayim: yeah; ljp said he's run it in OZ without a problem, so it should still work. |
| 13:12:37 | benmeyer | kolla: kinda |
| 13:12:44 | numatrix | benmeyer: you did get it working eventually? |
| 13:12:55 | benmeyer | kolla: I have written 2 scripts but don't have oz on a z right now |
| 13:13:01 | kolla | ok :) |
| 13:13:01 | benmeyer | one for opera, one for java |
| 13:13:09 | kolla | I got java working on my own |
| 13:13:16 | kolla | but opera keeps segfaulting |
| 13:13:48 | JasonNJ | wow full channel this morning. |
| 13:14:13 | benmeyer | yah, that is the problem I had |
| 13:14:20 | ljp_work | it had a huge breakfast |
| 13:16:25 | ljp_work | there may be a check in opera for something sharp rom specific |
| 13:17:25 | benmeyer | I doubt that |
| 13:17:27 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 13:17:29 | benmeyer | Opera does work |
| 13:17:57 | W|GGL|T | piel frama has their own webring...a one site webring...hehe |
| 13:18:04 | imm | chouimat|coffee: servus |
| 13:18:16 | chouimat|coffee | imm: hi |
| 13:18:32 | bipolar | can someone running OZ please tell me if /tmp in in a ram FS? It does not seem to be from what I'm looking at. |
| 13:18:48 | imm | W|GGL|T: so how much trffic i can expect from your ring ? :) |
| 13:19:27 | W|GGL|T | hehe...dunno |
| 13:19:59 | W|GGL|T | got over 100 hits in 2 days...not bad for a fledgling ring (i guess) |
| 13:20:22 | W|GGL|T | and seven sites |
| 13:21:18 | ljp_work | OPERA WORKS IN OZ? |
| 13:21:22 | ljp_work | whoops |
| 13:21:37 | bipolar | damnit! |
| 13:22:04 | bipolar | my FS is going to fill up again. |
| 13:22:18 | bipolar | and all I did was run ipkg upgrade |
| 13:23:22 | chayim | I'm back |
| 13:24:30 | chayim | benmeyer || JasonNJ : are there public DTDs available for the xml used for storing addressbook, calendar and todo lists? |
| 13:31:13 | numatrix | btw, benmeyer and JasonNJ; killefiz is setting up a US mirror to releave some of his load so he can remove the donation begging to pay for bandwidth. |
| 13:31:32 | JasonNJ | chayim: nope. |
| 13:31:39 | numatrix | relieve, that is. |
| 13:31:46 | benmeyer | chayim: no |
| 13:31:51 | benmeyer | and it will probably change |
| 13:31:55 | benmeyer | even though we claim it wont |
| 13:31:57 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 13:32:00 | benmeyer | have fun! |
| 13:32:04 | anggarda | Is there a productivity suite that could open HancomFiles on linux? |
| 13:32:20 | JasonNJ | its totally undocumented. In this area, we suck. |
| 13:32:29 | kergoth | morning |
| 13:32:39 | numatrix | anggarda: They're compatible with microsoft ones, so I imagine star office, or any of the common ones could do it. |
| 13:32:40 | benmeyer | oh wait we already knew we such |
| 13:32:55 | kergoth | bipolar: /tmp and /var are both ramfs |
| 13:33:31 | numatrix | morning kergoth |
| 13:33:32 | JasonNJ | numatrix: If killefiz wants, Sharp can host his mirror. |
| 13:33:36 | anggarda | Hiello,, numatrix. Nice to see you again. |
| 13:34:35 | anggarda | numatrix, you mean Hancome documents are not compressed into some sort of hancom.format and has to be uncompressed to be utilised on the desktop? |
| 13:34:59 | numatrix | JasonNJ: yeah, he mentioned he knew that, but preferred not to for some reason. I've already got a server set up for him. We're working on exactly how the mirror process will work, but it will be at the very least an exact replica of the approved apps. |
| 13:35:13 | bipolar | kergoth: ok. but I'm really running out of space here. it's strange |
| 13:35:38 | kergoth | bipolar: use up all your mtdram? |
| 13:35:42 | chayim | JasonNJ : I'm thinking of doing some syncml into phpgroupware for my Z and I was hoping for a DTD (not that I haven't already parsed it to write zesync). |
| 13:35:48 | bipolar | kergoth: no. the root file system |
| 13:35:53 | chayim | JasonNJ : but it'd be easier with a DTD. |
| 13:36:00 | kergoth | bipolar: ah. well, there was only 3 megs free on it out of the box.. |
| 13:36:04 | numatrix | Hello, anggarda. They do have their own format, but you can also save them in a format that any common desktop programs can read. |
| 13:36:08 | JasonNJ | numatrix: ok, no problem. We're gonna have significant web space on our new developer site, so its no problem if you guys change your mind. |
| 13:36:19 | bipolar | kergoth: but I'm just running an upgrade |
| 13:36:26 | bipolar | kergoth: I'm not installing anything new. |
| 13:36:54 | numatrix | JasonNJ: I'll let him know. I expect at some point, load will get heavy enough that that might be necessary. I think killefiz wants to keep it as a community thing though. Who knows, you'd have to ask him. I appreciate the offer at least. |
| 13:37:14 | anggarda | numatrix, cool. I just checking some loose ends. Thanks. |
| 13:37:15 | bipolar | kergoth: this is strange. I killed ipkg (becouse it seemed to hang), and I got my space back. :\ |
| 13:37:49 | kergoth | bipolar: hm, thats odd. |
| 13:37:57 | bipolar | kergoth: very |
| 13:38:41 | bipolar | kergoth: is /mnt/ram ramfs? |
| 13:39:06 | bipolar | thinks he is clueless about the ram layout of OZ |
| 13:39:19 | benmeyer | bipolor read my docs |
| 13:39:21 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 13:39:26 | JasonNJ | hey bipolar long time no see. |
| 13:39:29 | kergoth | bipolar: its mtdram, which is like ramfs but its persistant |
| 13:39:35 | bipolar | JasonNJ: hiya |
| 13:39:39 | bipolar | kergoth: ahhh |
| 13:39:50 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/system_layout.shtml |
| 13:39:56 | bipolar | benmeyer: heh..... thanks |
| 13:40:23 | bipolar | kergoth: so ramfs does not show up in 'df', right? |
| 13:40:27 | kergoth | bipolar: right |
| 13:40:34 | kergoth | bipolar: because its size is dynamic |
| 13:40:38 | kergoth | bipolar: it grows |
| 13:40:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:40:46 | bipolar | kergoth: and ramfs takes memory from my heap. |
| 13:41:39 | bipolar | kergoth: whereas mtdram is the 2nd number in the kernel file (zImage-42-20, etc) |
| 13:42:12 | JasonNJ | nice logoff message |
| 13:42:17 | kergoth | bipolar: yes exactly. mtdram size is hardcoded (we set mem=40 on kernel commandline, then tell mtdram to grab the last 24 megs of ram) |
| 13:49:58 | bipolar | kergoth: thanks |
| 13:50:41 | kergoth | np |
| 14:01:26 | W|GGL|T | man, if i'd have stayed in japan a bit longer, i could've had access to the A300 |
| 14:03:40 | W|GGL|T | then again, i wouldn't have had the 5500 |
| 14:03:52 | bipolar | kergoth: have you heard of any problems with ipkg lateley? I've been running 'ipkg upgrade opie-base' for 20min now. It seems to have hung. |
| 14:10:00 | W|GGL|T | JasonNJ: I REALLY liked how Sharp sent me a CD and instructions on ROM 2.37 |
| 14:10:15 | W|GGL|T | didn't expect that at all |
| 14:15:47 | bipolar | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-keyboard.postinst configure' failed: Illegal seek. << huh? |
| 14:21:05 | ljp_work | haha -> http://www.billboard.com/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1659959 |
| 14:21:46 | ljp_work | go Nuge.. |
| 14:23:25 | bipolar | lol |
| 14:23:40 | darienm | Ym |
| 14:23:44 | darienm | yum |
| 14:23:56 | | op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 14:23:56 | Harlekin | ibot: op2 |
| 14:26:17 | bipolar | hmmm..... op2 does not seem to be in the OZ feed. |
| 14:26:30 | bipolar | does it work at all on the Zaurus? |
| 14:27:13 | ljp_work | yes |
| 14:27:29 | ljp_work | although you need memory |
| 14:27:38 | darienm | looks around for whardier.... |
| 14:27:53 | ljp_work | cause between op2, the zaurus, and the zaurus kernel, it has memory issues |
| 14:28:01 | darienm | goes back to reducing whardier's bandwidth to a trickle |
| 14:28:42 | Harlekin | ljp_work: on a 5500 i runs quite weel |
| 14:28:50 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: pong |
| 14:28:59 | Harlekin | ljp_work: except if you try 640x480 divx |
| 14:29:02 | Harlekin | Onyx4: hey, new ipk up |
| 14:29:11 | Harlekin | Onyx4: windowed playback is back to old performance |
| 14:29:22 | Onyx4 | ok ill try it |
| 14:29:24 | Harlekin | Onyx4: and gamma correction without speed loss |
| 14:29:28 | Harlekin | -) |
| 14:29:30 | Onyx4 | cool |
| 14:29:47 | Onyx4 | are gamma correction settings saved across launches? |
| 14:29:51 | Harlekin | no |
| 14:30:00 | Harlekin | on purpose |
| 14:30:47 | Harlekin | Onyx4: and try to get the right one (date) |
| 14:30:48 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:31:15 | ljp_work | well, actually, if you are in the gamma quadrant when you open op2, most likely you'll be in the gamma quadrant when you open it again |
| 14:31:24 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:32:16 | chouimat|coffee | bbl |
| 14:33:22 | bipolar | Harlekin: I'm downloading it now |
| 14:33:27 | Onyx4 | me too |
| 14:33:57 | KallDrexx | anyone here use usbdnet module in linux wiht ohci? |
| 14:34:03 | ljp_work | the gamma quadrant? |
| 14:34:17 | ljp_work | KallDrexx: yes |
| 14:34:29 | ljp_work | I use the standalone version from sourceforge |
| 14:34:32 | KallDrexx | ljp_work: well ohci keeps crashing |
| 14:34:39 | KallDrexx | when I'm doing stuff with the Z |
| 14:35:00 | ljp_work | hmm.. did you try the other usb port? |
| 14:35:52 | KallDrexx | ohter usb port? the physical port? |
| 14:36:19 | ljp_work | the other usb thingy you can plug in too |
| 14:37:08 | KallDrexx | I didn't think the port would matter, figuring it's been working fine with CDCEther for hte past week |
| 14:37:25 | KallDrexx | when doing stuff with my z ohci randomly crashes and kills the kernel |
| 14:37:57 | VerxHome | so what's new in the land of OZ? Anything? :) |
| 14:38:00 | ljp_work | make sure cdcether isnt loaded also |
| 14:38:01 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 14:38:07 | KallDrexx | ljp_work it isn't |
| 14:38:27 | ljp_work | which usbdnet are youusing? |
| 14:38:46 | KallDrexx | the one from the zauruszonehowto for 2.4.19 |
| 14:39:37 | ljp_work | oh...hmmm |
| 14:39:51 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 14:40:30 | VerxHome | howdy Shawn |
| 14:40:31 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:40:53 | Harlekin | Onyx4: and? improved? |
| 14:41:06 | Onyx4 | havent had time yet, still in a meeting (work) |
| 14:41:10 | Harlekin | oh |
| 14:41:12 | Harlekin | ,) |
| 14:41:21 | Harlekin | Onyx4: but it should,it was a compile error |
| 14:41:24 | KallDrexx | ljp_work so... any idea :-/ |
| 14:41:28 | VerxHome | harlekin, question |
| 14:41:32 | Onyx4 | ok ill let you in in about an hour |
| 14:41:32 | ljp_work | Harlekin: is that from todays cvs? |
| 14:41:36 | Harlekin | Onyx4: i accidently packaged a striped debugging version .-) |
| 14:41:47 | Harlekin | ljp_work: y |
| 14:41:48 | Onyx4 | ah :) |
| 14:41:59 | Harlekin | VerxHome: i hear |
| 14:42:13 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Have you seen anything in opie that blocks the launching of apps (and the accessing of CF) after a resume? On the latest OZ, if I have a CF card in, and I suspend, I cannot launch anything until I eject the card. |
| 14:42:30 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 14:42:38 | ljp_work | wait a few seconds |
| 14:42:47 | Harlekin | ljp_work: ? |
| 14:42:51 | VerxHome | ljp_: How about 10 minutes? |
| 14:42:55 | VerxHome | it still didn't launch |
| 14:42:59 | VerxHome | until I ejected the CF card |
| 14:43:13 | Harlekin | VerxHome: cannot lauch anything or anything from cf? |
| 14:43:15 | ljp_work | launch anything? |
| 14:43:20 | VerxHome | ANYTHING. |
| 14:43:33 | Harlekin | VerxHome: and its not all installed to cf |
| 14:43:34 | VerxHome | the only things I can "run" are things that are on fast load, and thus are already running |
| 14:43:45 | Harlekin | looks like some fs locks |
| 14:43:46 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Correct - it is ALL installed to SD and root |
| 14:43:54 | ljp_work | so just fast load everything ;) |
| 14:43:57 | VerxHome | and I cannot even access the stuff in root |
| 14:44:00 | VerxHome | ljp_: mmmhmmm |
| 14:44:13 | Harlekin | VerxHome: you have a ssh connection to it? |
| 14:44:15 | VerxHome | Harlekin: If I run a konsole session before the suspend |
| 14:44:17 | ljp_work | latest oz? any updates? |
| 14:44:20 | VerxHome | or an ssh |
| 14:44:31 | VerxHome | then after the resume |
| 14:44:38 | VerxHome | any "ls" of /mnt/cf blocks |
| 14:44:41 | VerxHome | hanging that session |
| 14:44:52 | Harlekin | so looks like a base system error |
| 14:44:54 | VerxHome | not even a ctrl-c or ctrl-pipe recovers |
| 14:45:01 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Nope |
| 14:45:06 | ljp_work | is the cf formatted? fdisked? |
| 14:45:10 | Harlekin | VerxHome: yes |
| 14:45:18 | Harlekin | since opie has noting to do with accessing filesystems |
| 14:45:21 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Because -*ONLY*- opie packages are updated between when everything works and when it fails |
| 14:45:23 | Harlekin | so if a ls is not working |
| 14:45:31 | KallDrexx | Am I the only one who has problems with usbdnet module inl inux when used with usb-ohci? |
| 14:45:32 | VerxHome | so it -*HAS*- to be Opie |
| 14:45:41 | Harlekin | or your cf |
| 14:45:45 | kergoth | VerxHome: do you have apps running off the card when you suspend? |
| 14:45:46 | VerxHome | no |
| 14:45:58 | VerxHome | cuz I tried 5 cf cards |
| 14:46:05 | VerxHome | and they all work before the OZ update |
| 14:46:09 | VerxHome | and none work after |
| 14:46:15 | Harlekin | kergoth: any idea? |
| 14:46:18 | VerxHome | kergoth: Yes - two |
| 14:46:23 | Harlekin | kergoth: theres nothing in opie which can cause that |
| 14:46:43 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Well, there wasn't anything in opie that could cause the suspend/resume load either |
| 14:46:49 | VerxHome | Harlekin: That is what you told me |
| 14:46:57 | VerxHome | even though I told you, just like I am telling you now, that it is opie |
| 14:47:02 | kergoth | Harlekin: doesnt a card get unmounted and remounted on suspend/resume? or the mount held across the resume? |
| 14:47:18 | kergoth | Harlekin: if the former is the case, and he suspends with an app installed to cf running, it'd fail to unmount |
| 14:47:22 | VerxHome | kergoth: Yes, cardmon does its unmount/remount of CF |
| 14:47:24 | VerxHome | and |
| 14:47:25 | Harlekin | kergoth: not by opie |
| 14:47:29 | kergoth | Harlekin: i know. |
| 14:47:29 | VerxHome | the strange thing is |
| 14:47:31 | Harlekin | kergoth: thats base systems task |
| 14:47:31 | Onyx4 | why dont you try to do /etc/init.d/opie stop, then "apm -s" to suspend and resume and see if it hangs when opie is not running |
| 14:47:35 | VerxHome | it appears that (it goes very fast) |
| 14:47:40 | VerxHome | it says "SD Unmounted" |
| 14:47:51 | Harlekin | Onyx4: very good idea |
| 14:47:52 | VerxHome | and cardmon no longer shows the SD card in its list of cards |
| 14:48:16 | VerxHome | well, I can try that |
| 14:48:23 | VerxHome | I had to redo my Z to get it working |
| 14:48:29 | VerxHome | so I don't have the latest OZ on it right now |
| 14:48:48 | VerxHome | kergoth: Has anyone else reported this issue? |
| 14:48:52 | VerxHome | or am I yet again alone in this? |
| 14:49:06 | VerxHome | I know some people were talking about the exact same issue with cf wireless cards |
| 14:49:10 | kergoth | VerxHome: i've heard that there may be problems if you suspend with the card in use, as cardmon will fail to unmount. |
| 14:49:11 | Onyx4 | I think I heard only from this with wireless |
| 14:49:15 | VerxHome | but I would think there are more people with cf memory problems |
| 14:49:15 | kergoth | VerxHome: wireless is a whole different issue |
| 14:49:17 | ljp_work | you can also try doing cardctl eject |
| 14:49:26 | Harlekin | kergoth: cardmon does not unmount |
| 14:49:31 | Harlekin | kergoth: it just monitors |
| 14:49:44 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Ok, well, I think its act of monitoring might be the problem |
| 14:49:52 | Harlekin | not really |
| 14:49:55 | Harlekin | it could hang opie |
| 14:50:01 | Harlekin | but not an ls on a card |
| 14:50:31 | VerxHome | well I don't know |
| 14:50:38 | VerxHome | other than that it is POSITIVELY |
| 14:50:40 | VerxHome | something in opie |
| 14:50:42 | VerxHome | causing the issue |
| 14:50:50 | kergoth | VerxHome: there is nothing opie could do to cause a filesystem hang on your cf card. |
| 14:51:05 | kergoth | VerxHome: the cpu usage issue was obviously opie related as it was qpe using the cpu |
| 14:51:06 | VerxHome | kergoth: So explain why updating nothing but opie packages causes the problem |
| 14:51:23 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: did you try my suggestion? |
| 14:51:26 | kergoth | VerxHome: no idea. but opie has nothing to do with the way the pcmcia-cs surives suspend. |
| 14:51:26 | VerxHome | I just know it is something in opie |
| 14:51:37 | VerxHome | Onyx4: I will nuke my Z again and reinstall and try it |
| 14:51:42 | VerxHome | just let me back it up first |
| 14:51:46 | kergoth | no, you dont. this is all pure conjecture. |
| 14:51:49 | VerxHome | so after my Z becomes unusable again |
| 14:51:53 | VerxHome | I can get it running |
| 14:51:58 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: why not testing it now when the problem happens? |
| 14:52:15 | kergoth | Onyx4: he hasnt upgraded his packages yet, so his Z isnt exhibiting the problem right now |
| 14:52:17 | VerxHome | Onyx4: I YANKED the latest OZ and reverted to my image that worked |
| 14:52:23 | benmeyer | du -h /home/ben/ |
| 14:52:23 | Onyx4 | oh ok |
| 14:52:25 | benmeyer | bla |
| 14:52:27 | Harlekin | VerxHome: remove cardmon |
| 14:52:34 | Harlekin | VerxHome: i just got another bugreport |
| 14:52:45 | VerxHome | Harlekin: I tried removing clipboard |
| 14:52:46 | VerxHome | heh |
| 14:52:48 | VerxHome | it didn't help |
| 14:52:55 | VerxHome | Harlekin: What did the bug report say? |
| 14:53:05 | Harlekin | simular |
| 14:53:11 | Harlekin | but a bad bugreporter |
| 14:53:13 | VerxHome | and they removed cardmon to make it go away? |
| 14:53:34 | Harlekin | no |
| 14:53:42 | Harlekin | no report on that |
| 14:54:18 | VerxHome | Harlekin: So why are you asking the I remove cardmon? |
| 14:54:31 | Harlekin | test |
| 14:54:38 | Harlekin | i need to narrow it down |
| 14:54:40 | kergoth | VerxHome: do the test onyx4 suggested first. we'll go from there. |
| 14:54:40 | VerxHome | ok |
| 14:54:48 | VerxHome | scrolls back |
| 14:54:59 | Onyx4 | that'll isolate it down to opie or not, then we can work on the applets and remove them one by one and see which one did that |
| 14:55:19 | Onyx4 | starting by the most obvious, cardmon, sdmon or stuff like that |
| 14:55:20 | hagbard3 | anyone tried the performance out of a 100mbit CF card? |
| 14:55:46 | hagbard3 | what is the bandwidth of the CF |
| 14:55:58 | hagbard3 | 160 mbit? |
| 14:56:06 | VerxHome | Onyx4: I guess I was burned before - I removed all applets and still had the CF load problem |
| 14:56:13 | hagbard3 | the same as PCMCIA? |
| 14:56:13 | VerxHome | so I didn't try that this time |
| 14:57:34 | uncon | is away, school (l!on) : os/bx |
| 15:02:13 | Harlekin | VerxHome: all cardmon does is to parse one file |
| 15:02:34 | Harlekin | so |
| 15:02:42 | Harlekin | try suspend resume without opie running |
| 15:03:19 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Will do - backing everything up right now |
| 15:03:57 | Harlekin | no need to back up |
| 15:04:15 | Harlekin | /etc/init.d/opie stop |
| 15:04:16 | VerxHome | yes |
| 15:04:19 | VerxHome | I have to back up |
| 15:04:28 | VerxHome | because I do NOT have the version of OZ with the problem on my Z |
| 15:04:33 | VerxHome | so I am going to back up |
| 15:04:43 | VerxHome | and then redo the update/upgrade that screwed my Z yesterday |
| 15:04:51 | VerxHome | -*THEN*- I can run your test. |
| 15:05:10 | Harlekin | ah |
| 15:05:31 | Harlekin | kergoth: oz normally remounts after suspend, right? |
| 15:09:41 | ljp_work | is cardctl part of pcmcia? |
| 15:10:57 | sjohnson | ljp_work: Yes it is. It the user client to control cardmgr |
| 15:12:13 | Harlekin | is dogfighting on mantis |
| 15:12:20 | ljp_work | hahaha |
| 15:12:29 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Is it in 3d? |
| 15:12:31 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 15:12:35 | Harlekin | anybody knows you commandln is? |
| 15:12:56 | particule | is away: Reu sauvage |
| 15:15:17 | ljp_work | Harlekin: huh? |
| 15:15:55 | ljp_work | VerxHome: if that cf thing happens again, might try doing cardctl resume or cardctl reset |
| 15:18:36 | Harlekin | commandln now thinks its an OZ bug |
| 15:19:55 | fusion94 | morning |
| 15:21:09 | VerxHome | ok Harlekin, I backed up, did an update, and it is now doing the upgrade |
| 15:21:14 | VerxHome | will get back to you once it is complete |
| 15:21:52 | Harlekin | tnx |
| 15:23:43 | mark | hi Speedy2 |
| 15:24:09 | mark | Onyx4: i'm afraid i wont have time until the weekend to have a look re knights, orry |
| 15:24:38 | Speedy2 | hi mark |
| 15:25:31 | Harlekin | Onyx4: sdmon does not exist anymore |
| 15:26:33 | Onyx4 | mark: no rush |
| 15:26:50 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 15:26:54 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I did test the new op2, works fine in windowed mode and performance is wonderful with LOTR |
| 15:27:12 | VerxHome | looks like we may possibly have some more non stripped packages in the OZ feed. . . |
| 15:27:27 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: just a few frame drops here and there in matrix trailer but that I think you said was normal |
| 15:28:09 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 15:28:17 | Harlekin | that is just a bit too much for the poor arm |
| 15:28:23 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 15:28:27 | Harlekin | Onyx4: tried the gamma? |
| 15:28:31 | Onyx4 | oops no |
| 15:28:34 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Supposedly matrix trailer works fine on tkcVideo |
| 15:28:35 | Onyx4 | let me try again |
| 15:28:48 | Harlekin | VerxHome: yeah, in op2 too |
| 15:29:05 | VerxHome | I meant without any frame drops |
| 15:29:09 | ljp_work | dropping frames is normal |
| 15:29:17 | Harlekin | VerxHome: you dont see it |
| 15:29:22 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 15:29:23 | Harlekin | VerxHome: or did you have debug output |
| 15:29:33 | VerxHome | no, I don't even have tkcVideo |
| 15:29:35 | Harlekin | i have still all debug output in op2 |
| 15:29:38 | VerxHome | just reading the mailing list |
| 15:29:52 | Harlekin | after that it will be again a bit faster |
| 15:30:22 | Harlekin | Onyx4: gamma is only windowed mode yet |
| 15:30:29 | Harlekin | Onyx4: fullscreen to come |
| 15:36:01 | Onyx4 | gamma seems to work ok |
| 15:36:17 | Onyx4 | if I slide the seekbar it often result in op2 coredumping |
| 15:36:27 | VerxHome | ok harlekin/onyx4 |
| 15:36:35 | VerxHome | I have reinstalled the oz update |
| 15:36:37 | Onyx4 | not sure if i'm just supposed to click on where I want it to be or slide it |
| 15:36:42 | ljp_work | Onyx4: so dont do that |
| 15:36:45 | VerxHome | it exhibits the same symptoms as yesterday |
| 15:36:52 | VerxHome | so it is a valid test environment |
| 15:37:08 | VerxHome | now lemme open up konsole |
| 15:37:11 | VerxHome | well |
| 15:37:12 | VerxHome | no |
| 15:37:17 | VerxHome | I guess I have to stop opie |
| 15:37:19 | VerxHome | heh |
| 15:37:22 | VerxHome | ok, here goes |
| 15:37:54 | Onyx4 | you can stop opie from a terminal |
| 15:38:11 | Onyx4 | as long as you get the console prompt back |
| 15:38:35 | VerxHome | so how do I suspend manually? |
| 15:38:38 | Onyx4 | arpm -s |
| 15:38:39 | VerxHome | apmd -s ? |
| 15:38:44 | Onyx4 | apm -s |
| 15:38:44 | kergoth | apm -s |
| 15:38:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:39:05 | Onyx4 | sorry "arp" is just a frequently used word for me :) |
| 15:39:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:39:29 | ljp_work | VerxHome: hold the cancle button |
| 15:39:43 | Onyx4 | not sure if cancel buttons works outside or opie |
| 15:39:51 | Onyx4 | s/or/of |
| 15:40:38 | VerxHome | yeah, cancel didn't work once I killed opie |
| 15:40:45 | Onyx4 | kergoth, I suggest you should add two lines to the default sshd_config file to detect dead connections across resume/suspend |
| 15:40:48 | Onyx4 | ClientAliveInterval 15 |
| 15:40:48 | Onyx4 | ClientAliveCountMax 4 |
| 15:40:48 | VerxHome | ok |
| 15:40:52 | VerxHome | just as I expected guys |
| 15:40:59 | VerxHome | if I suspend WITHOUT opie running |
| 15:41:06 | VerxHome | I can resume, launch opie, and run apps |
| 15:41:16 | Onyx4 | ok that's a good start |
| 15:41:28 | VerxHome | I can also look at both /mnt/card, and /mnt/cf after the suspend/resume, before starting opie |
| 15:41:36 | VerxHome | so this says it -*IS*- opie, just like I said before |
| 15:41:42 | kergoth | VerxHome: someone reported a bug that believes its related to cardmon. try removing it |
| 15:41:53 | VerxHome | ok, one sec |
| 15:41:55 | Onyx4 | or wait |
| 15:41:59 | Onyx4 | dont start opie yet |
| 15:42:09 | VerxHome | onyx4, what do you want me to try? |
| 15:42:56 | VerxHome | kergoth, I am trying the cardmon thingy |
| 15:42:56 | Onyx4 | go into /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/applets |
| 15:43:13 | Onyx4 | and just rename the libcardmonapplet.so.1.0.0 to libcardmonapplet.so.1.0.0.bak |
| 15:43:17 | kergoth | hehe, thatll do |
| 15:43:26 | Onyx4 | then start opie for the first time |
| 15:43:34 | kergoth | Onyx4: okay i'll add those to the default config |
| 15:43:42 | VerxHome | ok |
| 15:43:43 | VerxHome | well |
| 15:43:43 | Onyx4 | thanks |
| 15:43:48 | VerxHome | I uninstalled cardmon |
| 15:43:54 | Onyx4 | ok that should do the same |
| 15:43:57 | VerxHome | it exhibits the same problem as before |
| 15:43:57 | Onyx4 | but I would try rebooting then |
| 15:44:06 | VerxHome | suspend/resume blocks until cf is ejected |
| 15:44:39 | Onyx4 | ok I found that there is an fuser command |
| 15:44:44 | Onyx4 | that might be helpful |
| 15:44:51 | VerxHome | ok |
| 15:44:56 | Onyx4 | fuser -m /mnt/cf |
| 15:44:57 | kergoth | fuser is nifty |
| 15:44:58 | VerxHome | let me suspend/resume |
| 15:45:02 | VerxHome | then I will try fuser |
| 15:45:02 | Onyx4 | will tell you which process is holding locks |
| 15:45:02 | VerxHome | sec |
| 15:45:55 | VerxHome | says nothing |
| 15:46:06 | VerxHome | perhaps this is the deal: |
| 15:46:11 | Onyx4 | mmm on mine if I do fuser -m /mnt/cf when running it just gives me almost every process |
| 15:46:11 | VerxHome | # fuser -m /mnt/card |
| 15:46:15 | VerxHome | /mnt/card: 818e 819e 1079e |
| 15:46:36 | Onyx4 | what are those? |
| 15:46:46 | VerxHome | the 818, 819 are "fast load" apps, which exhibit no issue |
| 15:46:47 | Onyx4 | on mine for /mnt/card I get only qpe showing up |
| 15:47:11 | VerxHome | and 1079 is an app I tried to launch after the resume |
| 15:47:26 | VerxHome | now let me eject the CF |
| 15:47:28 | VerxHome | ok |
| 15:47:31 | VerxHome | 1079 launched now |
| 15:47:42 | VerxHome | and of course, all these apps still show locks |
| 15:47:47 | VerxHome | let me try exiting all apps |
| 15:47:54 | ljp_work | so it seems the issue might be fastloaded apps on a card |
| 15:47:57 | VerxHome | and see if I still have the problem even with no "fast load" apps |
| 15:47:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: run syslogd & klogd, see if cardmgr says anything useful |
| 15:48:03 | VerxHome | right ljp, I am going to try it |
| 15:48:08 | kergoth | I think its related to having something running off the card at suspend time |
| 15:48:14 | kergoth | imo |
| 15:49:22 | VerxHome | ok |
| 15:49:26 | VerxHome | if I have nothing fast loaded |
| 15:49:29 | ljp_work | I think its great googli-moogli or uller not being happy |
| 15:49:31 | VerxHome | it suspends/resumes fine |
| 15:49:34 | VerxHome | so we are getting closer |
| 15:49:35 | Onyx4 | bingo |
| 15:49:41 | kergoth | so yes, its related to having shit running on the card through suspend |
| 15:49:48 | kergoth | its probably not opie specific |
| 15:50:01 | VerxHome | kergoth: Well, if I don't do an oz update |
| 15:50:03 | VerxHome | I don't have this problem |
| 15:50:06 | VerxHome | so. . . . |
| 15:50:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: hm i dont remember changing anything other than opie |
| 15:50:24 | VerxHome | the only slightly non oz thing I can think of |
| 15:50:29 | VerxHome | is that busybox changed too |
| 15:50:32 | VerxHome | in the oz feed |
| 15:50:34 | kergoth | VerxHome: okay vi a file on the card, and suspend and resume |
| 15:50:36 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 15:50:37 | VerxHome | perhaps it is busybox |
| 15:50:57 | kergoth | VerxHome: the only busybox change was enabling udhcpc in the config, afaik |
| 15:51:03 | ljp_work | vi will mess up any card ;) |
| 15:51:04 | VerxHome | sorry man |
| 15:51:10 | VerxHome | just trying to figure this out |
| 15:51:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:51:16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:51:16 | VerxHome | I didn't know what was going on in busybox |
| 15:51:27 | VerxHome | kergoth: But seriously, all I have in my feed list is OZ |
| 15:51:36 | VerxHome | I go from a perfectly working unit |
| 15:51:41 | VerxHome | doing update/upgrade |
| 15:51:43 | VerxHome | and I get this |
| 15:51:50 | VerxHome | so it is one of the updated oz packages |
| 15:51:52 | VerxHome | (or several) |
| 15:51:55 | VerxHome | doing this |
| 15:51:58 | VerxHome | I swear it to ya |
| 15:52:32 | VerxHome | lemme re-install cardmon |
| 15:52:36 | Onyx4 | did you try enabling logging like suggested |
| 15:52:37 | VerxHome | cuz I think there is a hint there |
| 15:52:47 | junxster | Am I the only one to ever break a Zaurus stylus? Coz now I have broken two |
| 15:53:09 | Onyx4 | is your screen scratched? :) you must press real hard |
| 15:53:09 | VerxHome | Onyx4: No, sorry, forgot |
| 15:53:13 | VerxHome | one sec |
| 15:53:49 | Onyx4 | took me two hours to install that damn G2, and I still got some dust under it ugh |
| 15:53:49 | ljp_work | probably not |
| 15:53:50 | VerxHome | ok guys |
| 15:53:53 | VerxHome | one quick thing |
| 15:54:02 | VerxHome | cardmon does NOT show my MMC card |
| 15:54:09 | VerxHome | perhaps there was an update of some sort |
| 15:54:11 | VerxHome | that is affecting that |
| 15:54:52 | kergoth | VerxHome: pester harlekin, he changed cardmon |
| 15:55:01 | kergoth | VerxHome: to support mmc on the ipaq |
| 15:55:13 | VerxHome | he said it only monitors one file |
| 15:55:23 | treke | doesnt hotplug handle cardmon on the ipaq? |
| 15:55:24 | Onyx4 | maybe this would happen only with mmc cards then? |
| 15:55:27 | kergoth | VerxHome: he was referring to the pcmcia stab file |
| 15:55:58 | kergoth | treke: mmc is handled via hotplug on the ipaq yes. cf is of course pcmcia-cs, it monitors the stab file in /var |
| 15:56:41 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 15:56:43 | treke | ah |
| 15:56:45 | Onyx4 | kergoth: do you think it would be worthwhile getting a new konqueror snapshot in OZ? |
| 15:56:47 | VerxHome | I have a log in messages now |
| 15:56:49 | treke | needs a new mmc card |
| 15:56:51 | VerxHome | lemme see here |
| 15:56:55 | Harlekin | kergoth: changes nothting on the rest off my code |
| 15:56:56 | treke | these things are way to fricken small |
| 15:56:59 | kergoth | Onyx4: we have the latest konq/e build that oliver did |
| 15:57:08 | kergoth | Harlekin: k |
| 15:57:20 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Well, before your update, I could see my MMC card in cardmon. After your update, I don't see it anymore. |
| 15:57:32 | Onyx4 | oh yeah I noticed it just got updated two days ago? |
| 15:57:38 | Onyx4 | I'm still running the may version |
| 15:57:48 | kergoth | Onyx4: yeah. konqueror-snapshot and konqueror-snapshot-full |
| 15:57:55 | kergoth | Onyx4: cause the old one apparently segfaulted with qt 2.3.3 |
| 15:58:09 | Onyx4 | so what's the diff between the two? |
| 15:58:12 | VerxHome | kergoth: Is there some indication I can find in the messages file of when a suspend starts? |
| 15:58:53 | kergoth | Onyx4: one has javascript and stuff, the other doesnt |
| 15:58:57 | Onyx4 | k |
| 15:59:05 | Harlekin | VerxHome: give me an z and ill fix it |
| 15:59:10 | Harlekin | VerxHome: or send a patch |
| 15:59:14 | Onyx4 | so if I had the regular konq installed , I should remove it before switching to full |
| 15:59:26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:59:31 | kergoth | cause the package names are different |
| 15:59:42 | kergoth | they Conflict with one another |
| 16:00:54 | VerxHome | Harlekin: This is one of the biggest problems with opie. Someone with an ipaq makes a change, tests it on ipaq, and then sticks it in the feed. Then the Z people find the problems. People with z's make a change on something else, test it, and stick it in the feed. Then the people with ipaqs find problems |
| 16:00:55 | VerxHome | Harlekin: BEFORE things get put in the feed, or fully committed to cvs, they need to be validated on BOTH the ipaq and the Z |
| 16:00:55 | VerxHome | just my opinion |
| 16:01:28 | kergoth | VerxHome: we need an established policy on testing. |
| 16:01:35 | VerxHome | yes kergoth |
| 16:01:37 | kergoth | VerxHome: possibly a policy on when to commit also |
| 16:01:38 | VerxHome | we certainly do |
| 16:01:39 | Harlekin | VerxHome: no |
| 16:01:40 | VerxHome | yup |
| 16:01:44 | kergoth | VerxHome: i.e. commit early and often, or less often |
| 16:01:50 | Harlekin | VerxHome: it sharp does not care |
| 16:03:20 | kergoth | Harlekin: we still need to document our policies, imho |
| 16:03:21 | Harlekin | and as long as there is only _one_ report |
| 16:03:30 | Harlekin | kergoth: especially guy guidelines |
| 16:03:44 | kergoth | s/guy/gui/; ? |
| 16:03:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:04:09 | VerxHome | Jan 1 19:32:27 zaurus daemon.notice klogd: cs: socket c02ce800 timed out during reset. Try increasing setup_dela |
| 16:04:30 | kergoth | VerxHome: can you send me the entire messages file? email |
| 16:04:50 | VerxHome | Jan 1 19:32:28 zaurus daemon.warn klogd: hda: status error: status=0xc4 { Busy } |
| 16:04:51 | VerxHome | Jan 1 19:32:28 zaurus daemon.warn klogd: hda: drive not ready for command |
| 16:04:51 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 16:04:51 | VerxHome | one sec |
| 16:04:53 | kergoth | hey oGMo |
| 16:06:19 | VerxHome | kergoth: Email addy? |
| 16:06:30 | kergoth | VerxHome: kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 16:07:14 | VerxHome | ok, sent |
| 16:09:04 | ljp_work | VerxHome: you know kergoth is just a shellscript, right ? |
| 16:09:21 | kergoth | ljp_work: shhh |
| 16:09:21 | VerxHome | yup |
| 16:09:25 | VerxHome | and a damned good one too |
| 16:09:32 | treke | a very small shell script |
| 16:10:22 | Harlekin | kergoth: gui |
| 16:10:38 | ljp_work | I _think_ kergoth was written by ibm in the 60's |
| 16:10:54 | Harlekin | VerxHome: and, the source is open, just send a patch |
| 16:11:25 | VerxHome | Harlekin: I am slowly getting to the point I will be able to contribute such things |
| 16:11:32 | VerxHome | but I am not there quite yet methinks |
| 16:11:40 | Harlekin | cardmon is really really easy code |
| 16:11:45 | Harlekin | just looking in 2 files |
| 16:11:55 | Harlekin | no mounting |
| 16:11:58 | Harlekin | not other stuff |
| 16:12:26 | kergoth | yeah, cardmgr does the real work |
| 16:13:11 | kergoth | Harlekin: that bug report claims it used to eject and reinsert on suspend. that right? |
| 16:13:20 | Onyx4 | mm I lost my konqueror icon :) |
| 16:13:54 | imm | The channel demigods have stolen your voice ? |
| 16:14:07 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:14:08 | Onyx4 | the new package does not have the /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/konqueror.png |
| 16:14:10 | VerxHome | well |
| 16:14:13 | VerxHome | I think I am gonna reflash |
| 16:14:18 | kergoth | Onyx4: hah |
| 16:14:23 | VerxHome | and try a more selecting upgrade process |
| 16:14:27 | VerxHome | checking for the problem as I go |
| 16:14:34 | Onyx4 | but its in pics/konqueror/konqueror |
| 16:14:47 | VerxHome | kergoth: Do you know the bare minimum packages I need to run to get the new Qt 2.3.3-3 stuff to run? |
| 16:14:49 | treke | mine is in pics/konqueror :) |
| 16:14:52 | VerxHome | I would like to start there |
| 16:15:14 | treke | Onyx4: it was updated last night |
| 16:15:31 | kergoth | treke: oh, i'll reswipe the packages then |
| 16:15:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:15:35 | Onyx4 | I just installed it 5 min ago |
| 16:16:00 | kergoth | Onyx4: oliver does the packages for the ipaq opie feed, i should script obtaining htem from there |
| 16:16:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:18:37 | ljp_work | wow, a script that can write its own scripts.. impressive! |
| 16:19:25 | imm | ljp_work: i wish i had such a script right here |
| 16:19:42 | ljp_work | heh a job searc for 'c++' came up with 'pizza delivery' |
| 16:19:52 | ljp_work | what does that mean? |
| 16:20:03 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:20:23 | imm | ljp_work: that this is a good job ! |
| 16:20:38 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:21:56 | qip|Virus | uhm guys? is the Strong Arm in the zarus a Intel fabrice? |
| 16:22:36 | oGMo | sup kergoth |
| 16:22:52 | oGMo | looks at evas |
| 16:23:10 | ljp_work | intel bought the arm stuff |
| 16:23:51 | qip|Virus | gnaaah |
| 16:23:54 | qip|Virus | wierd |
| 16:24:36 | qip|Virus | and one more thing... the zarus exists in 2 variants right? the SL-5000 with 32 MB Ram, and the 5500 with 64 MB ram, right? |
| 16:24:46 | ljp_work | yep |
| 16:24:50 | qip|Virus | ok |
| 16:24:54 | treke | 5000d. Its a developers model and not sold anymore |
| 16:25:10 | darienm | qip|Virus: You want the SL-5500, if anything. |
| 16:25:16 | treke | qip|Virus: theres also a bunch of japanese only models |
| 16:25:20 | qip|Virus | mmmh |
| 16:25:27 | darienm | qip|Virus: and a german model |
| 16:25:37 | n3ur0m | can anyone tell me where pico is on the Z? |
| 16:25:40 | qip|Virus | darienm: uhm, how does a sl-5000 for about 390 Eur sound? |
| 16:25:52 | darienm | ibot, change 390 eur to US |
| 16:25:56 | | darienm: 390.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 713.450 (Australia Dollar (AUD)) |
| 16:26:02 | qip|Virus | lol |
| 16:26:04 | darienm | ibot, change 390 eur to USA |
| 16:26:08 | | darienm: 390.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 21,154.75 (Dollar (ZWD)) |
| 16:26:13 | darienm | gah ! |
| 16:26:14 | treke | ibot, change 390 eur to USD |
| 16:26:15 | qip|Virus | :>>> |
| 16:26:18 | | treke: 390.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 386.954 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 16:26:22 | darienm | Thanks |
| 16:26:23 | qip|Virus | ahh :> |
| 16:26:30 | darienm | qip|Virus: NO ! |
| 16:26:35 | qip|Virus | no? |
| 16:26:39 | qip|Virus | mmh |
| 16:26:47 | darienm | qip|Virus: First, there is no SL-5000 |
| 16:26:51 | treke | qip|Virus: that would be massivly overpriced in the US, not sure you much they normally are in europe :) |
| 16:26:52 | darienm | qip|Virus: Second, its too much |
| 16:27:28 | qip|Virus | darienm: i thought the sl-5000 is like the 5500 only with 32 MB Ram? |
| 16:27:39 | darienm | qip|Virus: Its's called the 5000d. |
| 16:27:41 | ljp_work | you can get a 5500 retail for $449 in US |
| 16:27:46 | qip|Virus | ah... |
| 16:28:02 | qip|Virus | ljp_work: buy one for me, and send it to me to germany :>>> |
| 16:28:37 | ljp_work | you'd still have to pay customs duties |
| 16:28:56 | darienm | Pricewatch has the SL-5500 for $349 (includes shipping) |
| 16:29:00 | ljp_work | they sell a german version |
| 16:29:12 | ljp_work | with the german keyboard |
| 16:29:18 | qip|Virus | i want a US version :) |
| 16:29:24 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 16:29:27 | qip|Virus | i have a american keyboard here in front of me |
| 16:29:35 | qip|Virus | (better for coding) ;) |
| 16:29:52 | darienm | http://www.pricewatch.com/ search for "zaurus sl-5500" |
| 16:30:05 | qip|Virus | cool |
| 16:30:10 | treke | does the key layout on the german model different from the us model? |
| 16:30:32 | ljp_work | I think so, they have those funky characters |
| 16:30:55 | treke | qip|Virus: might try getting a uk model |
| 16:31:39 | qip|Virus | ljp_work: lol ... "funny characters" :) like ÄÖü :> |
| 16:32:16 | qip|Virus | (ascii table roxx) :> |
| 16:33:58 | ljp_work | funky.. |
| 16:34:08 | qip|Virus | :o |
| 16:34:14 | ljp_work | funky characters ;) |
| 16:34:34 | qip|Virus | :P |
| 16:34:38 | ljp_work | ya those things that really arent needed in any languase :) |
| 16:34:55 | qip|Virus | agm, darienm, does that firm... Harmony Computers... Send stuff to europe? |
| 16:36:09 | kergoth | VerxHome: ping |
| 16:36:18 | VerxHome | yes? |
| 16:36:19 | VerxHome | sorry |
| 16:36:25 | qip|Virus | lol |
| 16:36:26 | VerxHome | having to do "real work stuff" for a bit here |
| 16:36:31 | kergoth | VerxHome: is your Z still in the state where it exhibits the behavior? |
| 16:36:33 | kergoth | VerxHome: ah, k |
| 16:36:36 | kergoth | VerxHome: hate that ;-) |
| 16:36:39 | VerxHome | me too |
| 16:36:44 | qip|Virus | the sharp zaurus has a pcmcia slot, right? |
| 16:36:48 | kergoth | qip|Virus: CF, not pcmcia |
| 16:36:50 | treke | qip|Virus: compact flash, not pcmcia |
| 16:36:50 | VerxHome | kergoth: Yeah, I haven't reflashed quite yet |
| 16:36:55 | VerxHome | you want me to try something? |
| 16:37:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: try running 'apm -s' from within embeddedkonsole |
| 16:37:09 | kergoth | VerxHome: see if it exhibits the behavior |
| 16:37:37 | qip|Virus | VerxHome: mmmh, so, what do i need for that thingie to get it on lan? |
| 16:37:57 | treke | qip|Virus: a compact flash network card will work fine |
| 16:38:55 | VerxHome | kergoth: Interesting |
| 16:39:06 | qip|Virus | treke njo... and where to get that? you know, i want a zaur with US Keyboard, US Linux, and a Network Card, from ONE store... the problem: i live in Europe. |
| 16:39:07 | VerxHome | kergoth: The problem does not occur if I suspend from konsole with apm -s |
| 16:39:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: bingo. |
| 16:39:24 | treke | qip|Virus: Order frome the US |
| 16:39:28 | kergoth | VerxHome: sandman replaced the call to apm -s with a direct ioctl to the apm device |
| 16:39:31 | VerxHome | that seems to avoid the cardmon stuff too |
| 16:39:36 | kergoth | VerxHome: for some reason that causes the issue |
| 16:39:41 | VerxHome | kergoth: AHHHH |
| 16:39:46 | Onyx4 | mmm my oipkg is stuck for a while trying to upgrade opie-base |
| 16:39:49 | treke | qip|Virus: Most any online computer store that sells a zaurus will sell the card |
| 16:39:54 | VerxHome | kergoth: Way to track things down man! :) |
| 16:39:59 | Onyx4 | seems like it's jffs2 and ipk taking % cpu |
| 16:40:06 | qip|Virus | treke and send it to europe? |
| 16:40:07 | VerxHome | kergoth: So is that in qpe itself? |
| 16:40:13 | kergoth | VerxHome: yep. the launcher. |
| 16:40:16 | VerxHome | damnit |
| 16:40:25 | treke | qip|Virus: Yes. Its expensive, but we have US zauruses in the US :) |
| 16:40:27 | VerxHome | my build environment is still on Qt 2.3.2 |
| 16:40:27 | VerxHome | :( |
| 16:40:45 | darienm | qip|Virus: If you look at the pricewatch page, the little blue dot represents firms that ship internationally |
| 16:40:58 | qip|Virus | aaah |
| 16:40:58 | qip|Virus | good :> |
| 16:41:10 | kergoth | VerxHome: the launcher calls out code in ODevice in libopie |
| 16:41:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: i'll make you a test ipk of libopie to check something |
| 16:42:56 | Onyx4 | anyone had this happened where ipk is stuck trying to upgrade opie-base? |
| 16:42:57 | VerxHome | kergoth: Ok, really appreciate it |
| 16:43:02 | treke | pokes around with opie-sh |
| 16:43:04 | qip|Virus | darienm: ever bought something at buydig.com? |
| 16:43:11 | treke | I need a wget front end :) |
| 16:43:52 | darienm | qip|Virus: nope, I don't know anything about the results on pricewatch, just thought it might be helpful to you |
| 16:44:19 | darienm | treke: why? wget is pretty damn easy to use as-is |
| 16:44:24 | qip|Virus | ok... it is... thx |
| 16:44:27 | darienm | treke: and besides, someone already did it |
| 16:44:33 | treke | darienm: cant copy and paste a url into konsole |
| 16:44:39 | treke | darienm: oh? |
| 16:44:46 | darienm | treke: hold on... |
| 16:45:10 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 16:45:10 | treke | ibot, search zsi for wget |
| 16:46:29 | darienm | treke: I didn't find it on zsi |
| 16:46:35 | darienm | treke: and omit the comma when searching |
| 16:46:40 | killefiz | hmm - the server is fine |
| 16:46:52 | | busybox_0.60.2 0.60.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=163 |
| 16:46:52 | treke | ibot search zsi for wget |
| 16:47:01 | darienm | Its an issue with the search REQUEST, you can't call ibot with a comma or colon... |
| 16:47:20 | Onyx4 | 1680 root 14 0 948 948 848 D 55.8 2.4 4:44 ipkg |
| 16:47:20 | Onyx4 | 13 root 17 10 0 0 0 SWN 27.2 0.0 3:52 jffs2_gcd_mtd4 |
| 16:47:56 | darienm | killefiz: BZFlag is aware of the issue and is correcting it... just needs an ibot reboot |
| 16:48:04 | qip|Virus | lol... heh darienm... wanna know, what a german zaurus here in germany costs under normal circums? |
| 16:48:14 | darienm | qip|Virus: no, not really |
| 16:48:25 | qip|Virus | 599 Eur :> |
| 16:48:40 | qip|Virus | ibot: change 599 eur to usd |
| 16:48:43 | | qip|Virus: 599.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 594.450 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 16:48:57 | chayim | ibot change 599 eur to cad |
| 16:49:01 | | chayim: 599.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 932.442 (Dollar (CAD)) |
| 16:49:09 | killefiz | qip|Virus: i saw the z for 499 EUR today |
| 16:49:43 | qip|Virus | killefiz: well, i can have it in the us for about 350 Eur... and there is shipping in |
| 16:49:51 | qip|Virus | urgs |
| 16:49:59 | qip|Virus | shipping in price |
| 16:50:19 | killefiz | qip|Virus: i'm not trying to make you buy it in germany - it's just the first time that i've seen it that cheap |
| 16:50:19 | qip|Virus | germans are just totally stupaaahd |
| 16:50:41 | qip|Virus | killefiz: well, actually i am german ;> but ssssh :> |
| 16:51:13 | killefiz | qip|Virus: i figured that when you said " wanna know, what a german zaurus here in germany costs" ;) |
| 16:52:34 | qip|Virus | :> |
| 16:53:18 | killefiz | suggested price in germany is down to 549 EUR now ... |
| 16:53:20 | qip|Virus | so, killefiz where you from? |
| 16:53:35 | killefiz | vieren |
| 16:53:39 | killefiz | viersen |
| 16:53:55 | qip|Virus | and that is where? |
| 16:54:07 | qip|Virus | sorry, geology is not my thing ;P |
| 16:54:16 | killefiz | nrw |
| 16:54:26 | qip|Virus | ahh |
| 16:55:44 | qip|Virus | argh, why cant i find that damn networking card in a shop which ships internationally, AND has the zaurus at a acceptable price |
| 16:55:53 | Onyx4 | I wonder if this ipkg install of opie-base will ever end, it's been stuck for like 5 minutes |
| 16:56:01 | Onyx4 | it's running on the cpu and jffs2_gcd_mtd4 is as well |
| 16:56:13 | Onyx4 | I have about 700k free space on / |
| 16:56:56 | darienm | treke: Have to leave now, but thought I saw a frontend for wget while surfing last nite (under the influence, mind you) on some student page, or german development site. I'll look again when I return. |
| 16:57:05 | Onyx4 | should I kill ipkg? |
| 16:58:06 | mutexer | Is there a way to override the cancel button? I used grab keybaord and it overrides the other buttons but not cancel |
| 17:01:06 | n3ur0m | Can someone explain to me the deal with GPL and distribution of commercial applications that are compiled by an individual? |
| 17:01:35 | n3ur0m | If someone compiles a .ipk from commercial source code can they give it to someone else? |
| 17:02:11 | Rince_ | is the code commercial or gpl? |
| 17:02:37 | treke | mutexer: a QDialog application? |
| 17:02:40 | mutexer | they can give the binaries or the source code |
| 17:02:56 | mutexer | QPEApplication |
| 17:03:48 | n3ur0m | so for commercial code, you can give the binaries but not an .ipk? |
| 17:04:10 | mutexer | n3ur0m: you have to provide the source with the binaries or you can put the source up where anyone can access it |
| 17:04:15 | treke | n3ur0m: you give out whatever you want if its your own commercial code, and you own a license for the commrcial sdk |
| 17:04:35 | n3ur0m | what if it's someone elses code? |
| 17:04:38 | treke | mutexer: basically you have to reimplement QWidget::keyPressEvent ( ) |
| 17:04:42 | mutexer | is talking about GPL..whether its commercial or not |
| 17:04:42 | killefiz | is zaurusdev at daluan.com _the_ official sharp sf-like site? |
| 17:04:58 | mutexer | treke: ive done that..hmm |
| 17:05:09 | Harlekin | hi killefiz |
| 17:05:26 | killefiz | hi Harlekin - many bug reports on op2? |
| 17:05:55 | treke | mutexer: what are you doing in there, looking for the escape key and ignoring? |
| 17:06:33 | mutexer | right now I have case Key_Escape: printf("override\n"); |
| 17:07:01 | mutexer | I was gonna override it to return to my main menu |
| 17:08:23 | Harlekin | killefiz: not really |
| 17:08:29 | Harlekin | killefiz: since not installable on retail rom |
| 17:08:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:08:35 | Harlekin | working on it |
| 17:08:43 | Harlekin | then you get an update on zsi |
| 17:10:41 | JasonNJ | god thank god American Idol is over |
| 17:10:51 | Harlekin | ? |
| 17:10:52 | JasonNJ | I will finally get my TV set back from my wife |
| 17:11:04 | kergoth | god that show was lame |
| 17:11:10 | kergoth | i saw part of it last night |
| 17:11:13 | treke | JasonNJ: poor guy, you've had to watch that crap? |
| 17:11:25 | JasonNJ | theat girl kelly is hot though |
| 17:11:37 | JasonNJ | treke: no I avoid it. |
| 17:11:41 | kergoth | man, that annoying guy that almost won.. i wanted to strangle him |
| 17:11:46 | bipolar | Dont they know all you need to have to have to be a pop star is looks and marketing? |
| 17:11:49 | JasonNJ | I have 2 TV's, one int he bedroom and 1 upstairs |
| 17:11:51 | ljp_work | JasonNJ: its not over.. theres re-runs.. and next season |
| 17:11:57 | kergoth | ljp_work: dont remind us |
| 17:12:06 | JasonNJ | but she has been using the good one hooked into my DVD setup |
| 17:12:52 | JasonNJ | what I dont understand why she has to watch it LIVE |
| 17:13:00 | JasonNJ | I mean, I have two ultimateTV's |
| 17:13:25 | JasonNJ | I cant beleive how many crappy shows she watches |
| 17:15:28 | JasonNJ | I have like 4 shows I watch |
| 17:15:45 | JasonNJ | maybe 6 |
| 17:16:03 | JasonNJ | and I dont watch any of em live |
| 17:17:16 | JasonNJ | are any of those TV listing databases public? |
| 17:17:26 | JasonNJ | would be cool to be able to search thru TV stuff on the Z |
| 17:23:56 | tux_mike | jason: what show? |
| 17:26:11 | treke | JasonNJ: any news on an updated Intellisync? |
| 17:28:24 | Neo|Work | What happens if a spider gets a high when spinning its web: http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/?webs.jpg |
| 17:29:10 | tux_mike | seen that :) |
| 17:29:58 | Neo|Work | it's quite funny |
| 17:30:01 | ljp_work | NeoTron: they left out the web where the spider was on lsd.. it was more perfect than the original |
| 17:30:18 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: someone said there was one of those. Know where I can see it? |
| 17:30:32 | n3ur0m | heh how can did they administer the drugs to the spider? |
| 17:30:48 | Neo|Work | spray it on it |
| 17:31:05 | ljp_work | not sure where, but that was anold experiment, I have it in a book somewhere |
| 17:31:27 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: just finished upgrading from 08-29 opie to current OZ and playback is a bit smoother now with op2 |
| 17:31:52 | Onyx4 | this time the upgrade did not crash opie like it did before |
| 17:33:01 | Onyx4 | what's opie-bounce? |
| 17:33:33 | Onyx4 | nm |
| 17:33:40 | Onyx4 | A JezzGame like game for Qtopia. |
| 17:34:32 | killefiz | could someone in the us please compare the speed of http://us.killefiz.de/zaurus/ and http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ for me? |
| 17:36:05 | Neo|Work | http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/?dumbguy.jpg |
| 17:37:19 | bipolar | kergoth: where does OZ hold it's menu? I'm trying to manualy change an icon and I can't find them. |
| 17:37:33 | kergoth | bipolar: same place the sharp rom does. .desktop files in $QPEDIR/apps/ |
| 17:37:46 | bipolar | kergoth: duh.... |
| 17:38:02 | bipolar | kergoth: heh.... was looking in ~/Applications.... :-p |
| 17:38:09 | Onyx4 | so now that I have qt 2.3.3 on my Z, what do I need to update on my desktop for the build env? |
| 17:38:23 | Neo|Work | http://www.psymon.com/psychedelia/images/spiders.html |
| 17:38:31 | Neo|Work | http://www.cannabis.net/weblife.html |
| 17:38:46 | Neo|Work | I swear though. caffeine is the worst drug for spiders |
| 17:39:17 | kergoth | Onyx4: its binary compatible |
| 17:39:20 | kergoth | Onyx4: so no worries |
| 17:39:31 | kergoth | Onyx4: you can if you want of course. qt/e 2.3.3 is in the free sdk .src.rpm |
| 17:40:05 | Harlekin | Onyx4: good |
| 17:40:16 | numatrix | Hey killefiz, how goes it? |
| 17:40:17 | Onyx4 | what's the link for downloading the SDK? |
| 17:40:33 | numatrix | You implementing the sql over the web? |
| 17:40:37 | killefiz | hello! noone living in the usa? |
| 17:40:51 | bipolar | killefiz: I do |
| 17:40:51 | jmhodges | is away: important stuff :/ |
| 17:40:56 | ljp_work | we are trying to forget we do |
| 17:41:30 | bipolar | Neo|Work: you mean if you take to much of it you start to feel like they are crawling all over you? |
| 17:41:33 | killefiz | bipolar: could you compare the two urls for me? |
| 17:41:50 | bipolar | killefiz: sure |
| 17:43:32 | bipolar | killefiz: what URL's? |
| 17:43:37 | Onyx4 | is this the most recent? with qte 2.3.3 ? ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/qtopia-free-1.5.0-1.i386.rpm |
| 17:43:46 | VerxHome | ok |
| 17:43:48 | VerxHome | I am back |
| 17:43:49 | killefiz | bipolar: http://us.killefiz.de/zaurus/ and http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 17:44:11 | kergoth | Onyx4: yes. if you want the qte sources, they're in the src.rpm |
| 17:44:26 | kergoth | Onyx4: you should grab the qte sources so you can apply the qte fixes from the opie source tree in qt/ |
| 17:44:36 | kergoth | Onyx4: up to you though, of course |
| 17:44:39 | Harlekin | Onyx4: or just build yourslef the opie sdk |
| 17:44:46 | Harlekin | if you want to start developing |
| 17:44:50 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:44:51 | VerxHome | kergoth: Where do I get the 2.3.3-3 source from? |
| 17:44:56 | Onyx4 | right im trying to get my environment setup :) |
| 17:44:59 | VerxHome | I don't think I can compile qpe without it |
| 17:45:01 | kergoth | VerxHome: i just told onyx, the qtopia sdk src.rpm |
| 17:45:10 | Onyx4 | so there is an opie-sdk ? |
| 17:45:13 | VerxHome | Harlekin: I don't know if you heard, but it -*WAS*- an opie issue. |
| 17:45:23 | Harlekin | what part of opie |
| 17:45:36 | VerxHome | kergoth: Hrm. Did you use cpio or something? I don't have redhat |
| 17:45:48 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Sandman apparently made a change for how suspend is initiated |
| 17:45:51 | kergoth | Harlekin: apm --suspend works, the apm_bios ioctl doesnt. its more a case of opie not working around a Z quirk than anything else. |
| 17:45:56 | VerxHome | Harlekin: It no longer calls apm |
| 17:46:06 | Harlekin | kergoth: so its a Z bug |
| 17:46:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: rpm2cpio blah.rpm | cpio ... |
| 17:46:14 | kergoth | Harlekin: most likely, we're still not sure |
| 17:46:26 | Harlekin | VerxHome: its not opies fault when the Z is broken |
| 17:46:29 | Harlekin | .) |
| 17:46:31 | kergoth | Harlekin: acording to sandman the only difference from apm --suspend to what we're doing is a call to ::sync() first |
| 17:46:31 | VerxHome | Harlekin: heh |
| 17:46:40 | Harlekin | kergoth: fs sync |
| 17:46:42 | Harlekin | .) |
| 17:46:48 | bipolar | killefiz: the only diff between the two is that one has the paypal icon and one says " Visit zaurus.loveslinux.com for general Zaurus news" in it's place |
| 17:46:56 | kergoth | Harlekin: yes i know, but why would that cause pcmica to fail to survive suspend? |
| 17:46:59 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:47:10 | treke | grrrrrr |
| 17:47:14 | killefiz | bipolar: no - sorry. i wanted to know about the speed - how do they "feel"? |
| 17:47:31 | bipolar | um... |
| 17:48:37 | bipolar | killefiz: killefiz.de is much faster |
| 17:49:01 | killefiz | bipolar: thanks - that's what i felt - now i have to find out why |
| 17:49:39 | numatrix | bipolar: That's what I saw too. We're trying to find a fast way to mirror the data. |
| 17:50:44 | angry | heya |
| 17:53:21 | mjn3 | has anyone here experienced kernel oops with usbdnet? i'm using stock 2.4.19 with the appropriate patch. i tracked it down to an attempt to deref skb->list in defer_skb in usbdnet.c. occassionaly skb->list is NULL. i don't know if the source of the problem is usbdnet or usb-uhci... |
| 17:53:23 | Neo|Work | bipolar: I mean that of the drugs tested, a Spider's net is most fscked up when they are caffeniated |
| 17:53:37 | VerxHome | Sharp Zaurus MPEG-4 Video Recorder |
| 17:53:38 | VerxHome | heh |
| 17:53:48 | VerxHome | it makes you wonder what the heck Zaurus means in Japanese |
| 17:53:49 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:53:53 | bipolar | Neo|Work: some people have too much time on their hands,,,,, lol |
| 17:55:20 | Neo|Work | bipolar: did you see http://www.cannabis.net/weblife.html ? |
| 17:55:49 | Neo|Work | that is the best example of a caffeine net. :) |
| 17:56:03 | Neo|Work | talk about a funny way to exterminate spiders. It'd starve in no time |
| 17:56:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: ping |
| 17:57:13 | bipolar | runs off to get a very late lunch |
| 17:57:19 | VerxHome | kergoth: Howdy |
| 17:58:12 | kergoth | VerxHome: well shit i didnt expect you to reply that fast. I'm updating a feed in http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/test/ .. grab the libopie from there and see if that helps matters |
| 17:58:28 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 17:58:29 | VerxHome | thank ya |
| 17:58:54 | kergoth | np, i'm curious to see if that does it. it doesnt call out apm -s, but its closer to doing exatly what apm itself does |
| 18:00:55 | VerxHome | kergoth: Just let me know when the feed is up |
| 18:01:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: blah its still copying |
| 18:01:26 | VerxHome | k |
| 18:01:26 | kergoth | VerxHome: try this. ipkg install http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/test/libopie_0.9.1-20020905_arm.ipk |
| 18:01:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: thatll be faster |
| 18:01:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:01:56 | VerxHome | it is downloading it |
| 18:01:59 | kergoth | k |
| 18:02:11 | VerxHome | ok, restarting opie. . . |
| 18:02:15 | kergoth | k |
| 18:03:06 | VerxHome | same deal as before |
| 18:03:08 | VerxHome | no change |
| 18:03:15 | kergoth | thats just fucking weird. |
| 18:03:26 | kergoth | we're doing exactly what apm is doing |
| 18:03:26 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:08:01 | tweek | is there a reason why some SanDisk 128 meg SD cards would work perfectly right away? |
| 18:08:19 | tweek | because i've heard of tons of poeople having problems, but i plugged mine in and it _just worked_! |
| 18:08:35 | VerxHome | tweek: There are different models of sandisk 128MB SD cards |
| 18:08:36 | tweek | of course, 'df -h' reports only 120 megs free, but i figured that much :) |
| 18:08:36 | VerxHome | that's why |
| 18:08:38 | VerxHome | you got lucky |
| 18:08:44 | tweek | VerxHome: are the models THAT different though? |
| 18:08:48 | VerxHome | yup |
| 18:08:51 | tweek | wow, i guess i did get lucky |
| 18:09:05 | tweek | this is amazing - my wireless card worked on first try too! |
| 18:09:09 | tweek | i'll be damned! |
| 18:09:18 | treke | kergoth: suspend code now also calls sync() to flush fs caches (just like apm tool) |
| 18:09:31 | treke | kergoth: Updated just now |
| 18:09:31 | kergoth | treke: yep |
| 18:10:07 | kergoth | i know, i had verx test it already, with no luck |
| 18:10:09 | kergoth | grr |
| 18:11:11 | kergoth | VerxHome: okay i made it just call out apm -s again. try http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/test/libopie_0.9.1-20020905-1_arm.ipk |
| 18:11:43 | ljp_work | gosh.. you guys are hardcore, man |
| 18:11:51 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:11:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:11:53 | ljp_work | :D |
| 18:13:02 | ljp_work | I just strung a eth cable.. wooot.. I'm leet! |
| 18:13:47 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 18:13:59 | ljp_work | yo |
| 18:14:06 | mutexer | anyone know where xchat saves logs? |
| 18:14:15 | KallDrexx | ok i'm home now... time to get usbdnet workign with ohci |
| 18:14:20 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 18:14:23 | VerxHome | many notes |
| 18:14:29 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:14:30 | VerxHome | 1. it works now |
| 18:14:55 | VerxHome | 2. suspend has a bug that was in previous versions on the Z - often, pushing "cancel" doesn't resume until the second press |
| 18:15:27 | kergoth | interesting |
| 18:15:42 | VerxHome | 3. it does an SD was inserted/SD was removed on resume, and SD doesn't show in cardmon, but I think this is totally unrelated to this suspend/resume issue preventing apps from launching |
| 18:15:54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:16:38 | Teax | mutexer: $HOME/.xchat/xchatlogs |
| 18:17:04 | VerxHome | actually |
| 18:17:11 | VerxHome | kergoth: scratch #2 |
| 18:17:16 | kergoth | k |
| 18:17:20 | VerxHome | I think I was just failing to push the button "fully" |
| 18:17:21 | VerxHome | my own fault |
| 18:17:22 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:17:25 | VerxHome | sorry about that |
| 18:17:26 | mutexer | does it wait and save logs on exit? |
| 18:17:27 | kergoth | np |
| 18:17:32 | tweek | are there any AIM clients for the Z? |
| 18:17:36 | mutexer | I turned on logging and I dont see anyt logs |
| 18:17:38 | VerxHome | wow |
| 18:17:40 | tweek | i know there are jabber clients, but what about AIM? |
| 18:17:45 | kergoth | VerxHome: its really weird that apm -s works but opie doing what apm does fails. |
| 18:17:45 | VerxHome | kergoth, this new version is amazing |
| 18:17:51 | mutexer | cd .. |
| 18:17:54 | mutexer | doh |
| 18:17:56 | VerxHome | I can now have my 256MB CF card in |
| 18:18:04 | VerxHome | it doesn't generate load on suspend/resume |
| 18:18:13 | VerxHome | and I can finally run the zImage-32 |
| 18:18:22 | VerxHome | kergoth: Things are looking very nice |
| 18:18:26 | kergoth | yay |
| 18:18:31 | kergoth | is your flash behaving itself? |
| 18:18:31 | VerxHome | I am waiting for it to spontaneously explode on me |
| 18:18:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:18:37 | VerxHome | cuz things are working so normal right now |
| 18:18:43 | kergoth | pictures a jffs2 tickign time bomb |
| 18:18:52 | VerxHome | kergoth: Yeah, there is some weirdness with jffs2 on upgrades |
| 18:19:01 | KallDrexx | pl |
| 18:19:05 | KallDrexx | ok |
| 18:19:08 | VerxHome | it looks like it sometimes requires a reboot to fully release how much space is free |
| 18:19:11 | KallDrexx | anywone wanna see the ohci crash message? |
| 18:19:15 | KallDrexx | with usbdnet? |
| 18:19:15 | kergoth | VerxHome: i should have some time when i get home to hack the new jffs2 into 2.4.6. |
| 18:19:16 | VerxHome | ie, I can get down to 26 kb free |
| 18:19:33 | VerxHome | kergoth: To be honest man, I am gonna make myself a dd of flash as it sits now |
| 18:19:41 | VerxHome | and someone is gonna have to beg me to upgrade |
| 18:19:42 | VerxHome | heh |
| 18:19:47 | bipolar | VerxHome: Are you testing a new kernel, by chance? :) |
| 18:19:47 | VerxHome | cuz it looks golden to me |
| 18:20:00 | VerxHome | bipolar: Nope, not really |
| 18:20:06 | KallDrexx | ok guess not... is anyone here using usbdnet module wiht usb-ohci? |
| 18:20:09 | bipolar | VerxHome: darn |
| 18:20:10 | VerxHome | I have one that lets me use all 32MB of ram on my 5000d tho |
| 18:20:13 | VerxHome | which is very nice |
| 18:20:32 | Onyx4 | VerxHome: what did you do to make it work? you isntalled kergoth's new ipk? |
| 18:20:35 | bipolar | VerxHome: what are you testing? |
| 18:20:48 | Onyx4 | and why is zimage-32 working now as opposed to before? |
| 18:20:56 | VerxHome | Onyx4: The latest OZ feed let me use it as well as my 256MB CF card |
| 18:21:04 | NetAmp | Dang |
| 18:21:12 | VerxHome | the only issue I was having with the latest OZ feed was this blocking issue on resume |
| 18:21:14 | VerxHome | which kergoth just fixed. |
| 18:21:23 | VerxHome | speaking of which |
| 18:21:24 | NetAmp | Opera is slow with PDF, the file i opened is just 1,8 megs :P ;) |
| 18:21:28 | VerxHome | KERGOTH IS THE FRIGGING MAN! |
| 18:21:29 | Onyx4 | oh ok, this is nice to know that zimage-32 works |
| 18:21:35 | bipolar | heh |
| 18:21:35 | numatrix | NetAmp: use qpdf... |
| 18:21:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:21:47 | ljp_work | heh.. |
| 18:21:52 | mjn3 | KallDrexx: i'd be interested if you're having the same problem as i am with usb-uhci.. |
| 18:21:56 | Onyx4 | sugar make kergoth a long island |
| 18:21:56 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 18:22:00 | Onyx4 | well deserved :) |
| 18:22:02 | kergoth | hrm, i just noticed that i missed lunch |
| 18:22:05 | kergoth | i forgot to eat |
| 18:22:06 | kergoth | somebody kill me |
| 18:22:08 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:22:11 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 18:22:11 | numatrix | ibot: shoot kergoth |
| 18:22:13 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 18:22:13 | ljp_work | ibot: shoot kergoth |
| 18:22:16 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 18:22:19 | KallDrexx | mjn3: does your problem casue you to crash when you talk to the z? |
| 18:22:26 | kergoth | fuck it, i'll send out an email saying i was stuck on a call (complete bs) so i can take a late lunch |
| 18:22:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:22:33 | VerxHome | dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/initrds/9-5-2k2-awesome |
| 18:22:34 | tweek | SHIT! why would would the package installer tell me that my "Target Storage is not availble" when i try to install to SD card? |
| 18:22:39 | VerxHome | hums to himself . .. |
| 18:22:40 | | treke: what? |
| 18:22:40 | treke | ibot, make kergoth a hemlock on the rocks |
| 18:22:48 | tweek | (and the sd card is mounted /usr/mnt.rom/card/??)) |
| 18:22:59 | NetAmp | numatrix: will that handle such 'large' files? |
| 18:23:21 | numatrix | NetAmp: I haven't tried, but if you plan on doing it a lot, it would be worth a try to see how it does. |
| 18:23:32 | NetAmp | numatrix: true :) thanx |
| 18:23:33 | Onyx4 | numatrix: did you get mencoder to work for encoding divx for the Z based on my transcode script? |
| 18:23:52 | mjn3 | KallDrexx: yes.. i tracked it to a NULL deref is usbdnet's defer_skb function, but i don't know where the bug is... |
| 18:23:56 | numatrix | Onyx4: never did; I gave up on it; especially since I returned the 256mb CF card to anselor... |
| 18:24:16 | Onyx4 | oh maybe I'll try it then, mencoder is nice cause it has VBR mp3 |
| 18:24:42 | numatrix | Onyx4: that would be pretty nice; let me know if you get it working, I might give it another go. |
| 18:24:49 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 18:25:12 | KallDrexx | this is BS, the crash message ins't logged |
| 18:25:18 | Onyx4 | but were you mostly interested in going from divx(big) to -- divx(small) or dvd to divx(small) |
| 18:26:13 | Onyx4 | so far the latest feed seems to work pretty well for me |
| 18:26:44 | mjn3 | KallDrexx: wasn't for me either. i had to force an oops while in console mode and then hand-copy the oops message... |
| 18:27:02 | KallDrexx | mjn3: have you shown the message ot nayone? |
| 18:27:32 | numatrix | Onyx4: divx(big) -> divx(small) |
| 18:28:16 | tweek | how can i format my SD card to ext2 instead of vfat? |
| 18:28:35 | mjn3 | KallDrexx: i just emailed ce@ruault.com to see if there had been any similar reports. |
| 18:28:36 | bipolar | realizes that he has the personal OGG player he always wanted.... |
| 18:28:45 | bipolar | w00t |
| 18:28:48 | KallDrexx | mjn3: who are tehy? |
| 18:28:50 | ljp_work | tweek: send yuor card and $10 to me, and I'll do it |
| 18:29:04 | Onyx4 | lol |
| 18:29:09 | bipolar | tweek: use mkfs.ext2 |
| 18:29:14 | ljp_work | gak |
| 18:29:26 | bipolar | heh |
| 18:29:28 | ljp_work | thats industry secret! |
| 18:29:41 | bipolar | cant I have ANY fun? |
| 18:29:44 | tweek | bipolar: mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 18:29:46 | tweek | that's it? |
| 18:29:56 | mjn3 | KallDrexx: back in a few minutes... phone |
| 18:29:57 | bipolar | um... yeah. I think so. |
| 18:30:11 | Onyx4 | umount it first |
| 18:30:19 | Onyx4 | change the filesystem type with fdisk |
| 18:30:21 | KallDrexx | So has anyone else experience crashes with using usbdnet? |
| 18:30:26 | ljp_work | fdisk it if you want it to auto mount |
| 18:30:31 | Onyx4 | then mkfs.ext2 and remount |
| 18:31:02 | | somebody said sd was an external storage media that can be used for applications and documents. Due to it's slow speed, it is not recommended for video/audio files. http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml see also CF |
| 18:31:02 | Onyx4 | ibot: sd |
| 18:31:14 | tweek | ljp_work: what do i use fdisk for? and how? |
| 18:31:14 | Onyx4 | it's explained there |
| 18:31:25 | KallDrexx | ljp_work: what versoin of linux do you have (the one you connect to the z via usbdnet from?) |
| 18:31:57 | ljp_work | umm.. I have it working on mandrake 8.1 in two machines, and gentoo |
| 18:32:02 | KallDrexx | what kernel version |
| 18:32:26 | ljp_work | tweek: you'll have to install fdisk to toggle the partition type for automount if you re format it |
| 18:32:47 | Onyx4 | why isn't fdisk part of OZ? |
| 18:32:55 | tweek | ljp_work: i did install fdisk, and i formatted it ext2, so now what do i do to make sure it automounts? |
| 18:33:08 | Onyx4 | the util-linux-fdisk package is empty |
| 18:33:16 | KallDrexx | Anyone here use usbdnet with 2.4.19? |
| 18:33:27 | Onyx4 | I do |
| 18:33:34 | VerxHome | anyone here use winscp? |
| 18:33:39 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: no problems? |
| 18:33:45 | Onyx4 | nope works fine |
| 18:33:52 | KallDrexx | fuck there goes that theory |
| 18:34:59 | tweek | ljp_work: ?? it automounts as vfat still :( how can i change it? |
| 18:35:37 | ljp_work | either edit /etc/fstab on the one line for /dev/mmcda1, from auto to ext2, or run fdisk /dev/mmcda |
| 18:35:47 | ming | anyone know how to fire off a system beep from java on the zaurus? |
| 18:36:08 | tweek | ljp_work: thanks mucho! |
| 18:38:28 | tweek | whats the ipkg command to make sure it install on the SD card ? |
| 18:39:52 | benmeyer | anyone know where an example of Process is? |
| 18:39:57 | benmeyer | of how to use it |
| 18:42:43 | NetAmp | numatrix: hey qpdf looks OK |
| 18:42:51 | NetAmp | numatrix: though the fonts are a bit messy |
| 18:43:11 | NetAmp | numatrix: maybe it's because the default fonts aren't "all that" I dunno |
| 18:43:26 | NetAmp | numatrix: but at least it's faster than Opera :) |
| 18:46:24 | numatrix | NetAmp: Cool, good to know. |
| 18:46:45 | numatrix | NetAmp: I would assume something meant to do pdf would do better than opera, but you never can tell. |
| 18:46:59 | NetAmp | numatrix: ghehe true ;) |
| 18:47:12 | NetAmp | numatrix: Just like Windows is meant to be an OS... |
| 18:47:13 | NetAmp | well |
| 18:47:16 | NetAmp | you know the rest :P |
| 18:47:22 | numatrix | Hey now, don't get warmi started. |
| 18:47:26 | NetAmp | *evil grin* |
| 18:47:30 | NetAmp | whoops |
| 18:47:55 | | java faq is the Zaurus Java FAQ at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or currently offline due to ISP problems... |
| 18:47:55 | numatrix | ibot: java faq |
| 18:54:34 | tweek | anyone know why fdisk would still report my SD cards filesystem as FAT16 even though i mkfs.ext2'ed it and it mounts as ext2? |
| 18:55:02 | kergoth`lunch | tweek: partition type and filesystem are independent |
| 18:55:09 | kergoth | eats his sandwich |
| 18:55:36 | tweek | kergoth`out: i know that, but i used fdisk first, deleted the parition, and used 'n' in fdisk to create a new parition |
| 18:55:39 | nishi | hello zaurans !! |
| 18:55:50 | NetAmp | hi nishi |
| 18:55:55 | kergoth | tweek: and what partition type # did you choose? |
| 18:56:05 | tweek | it didn't ask me for one! |
| 18:56:19 | tweek | how do i MAKE SURE it chooses type 83? |
| 18:56:27 | nishi | I would like to know if anyone has got Cisco's Aironet 340 series PCMCIA cards working with the SL-5500 ? |
| 18:56:31 | kergoth | 't' is the command to change filesystem type in fdisk |
| 18:56:35 | kergoth | use it |
| 18:56:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56:49 | nishi | using a CF/PCMCIA adapter ? |
| 18:56:49 | tweek | kergoth: haha, ok, lemme try that |
| 18:56:54 | tweek | do i have to umount first? |
| 18:57:10 | kergoth | tweek: nope, shouldnt have to |
| 18:57:43 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 18:57:53 | MSpin | howdy kergoth |
| 18:58:08 | tweek | kergoth: argh!!! i used t, changed it, it said it did it fine, but when i use 'p' to print the paritions, it STILL says FAT16!! |
| 18:58:17 | MSpin | I meddes up my OZ install right before Iwas planning on use the Z for my music for a 2.5hr drive:( |
| 18:58:34 | kergoth | tweek: use 'w' to save the parittion table after changing the type |
| 18:58:39 | kergoth | MSpin: ack |
| 18:58:43 | ljp_work | tweek after you do 't'.. do a l to list the types |
| 18:58:44 | tweek | kergoth: ah, lol! |
| 18:58:58 | ljp_work | that too |
| 18:59:08 | nishi | I would like to know if anyone has got Cisco's Aironet 340 series PCMCIA cards working with the SL-5500 ? |
| 18:59:42 | numatrix | nishi: I don't know of anyone that uses pcmcia/cf adapters. |
| 18:59:57 | numatrix | nishi: Seems like it would be a bit too large. |
| 19:00:05 | chayim | JasonNJ : you here? |
| 19:00:13 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 42 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: would be cool to be able to search thru TV stuff on the Z [Thu Sep 5 18:17:26 2002] |
| 19:00:13 | chayim | ibot, seen JasonNJ |
| 19:00:17 | tweek | ljp_work, kergoth: so i still have to edit /etc/fstab to get it to automount when i insert it though, right? |
| 19:00:52 | nishi | hmmm ... the reason I ask is ... that currently cisco cards use LEAP authentication and none of the CF cards use that |
| 19:01:03 | ljp_work | tweek: not if you used fdisk |
| 19:01:08 | chayim | nishi: you don't have to use LEAP with the cisco, I don't. |
| 19:01:25 | nishi | do you have a 340 Aironet card ? |
| 19:01:38 | numatrix | nishi: I don't use leap, either and I have a 350 on my laptop. |
| 19:01:40 | kergoth | tweek: shouldnt have to. but let me know how it goes |
| 19:01:47 | chayim | yuppers... and it doesn't work on the z, there's no aironet driver on it yet. |
| 19:01:47 | MSpin | nishi: I think the 340 series are 5volt cards...so even with an adapter, I doubt they'd work |
| 19:01:49 | nishi | oh ok on a laptop ... |
| 19:01:50 | VerxHome | nishi: Cisco themselves recommend not to use leap |
| 19:01:53 | tweek | ljp_work: sonofa...i did use fdisk ('d'eleted parition 1, 'n'ewed a new one, 't'yped it to 83, 'w'rote it) |
| 19:01:59 | nishi | yep ... the CFs are 3.3v |
| 19:02:06 | tweek | kergoth: it won't automount now though :( |
| 19:02:15 | nishi | ok thx |
| 19:02:30 | tweek | kergoth: hold on sec, got and idea |
| 19:02:36 | kergoth | tweek: and.. whats the error? run syslogd and klogd and check /var/log/messages |
| 19:02:47 | ljp_work | tweek: reboot |
| 19:02:56 | nishi | just sticking around to learn from others questions ... i tried the zaurus and loved it ... returned it though since I am waiting for the OQO !! |
| 19:03:07 | nishi | :) |
| 19:03:11 | tweek | kergoth: speaking of syslogd and klogd - how can those be started on boot? |
| 19:03:24 | VerxHome | nishi: url for oqo? |
| 19:03:44 | kergoth | tweek: busybox doesnt include startup scripts to start syslog unfortunately, i'll add them in eventually, but for now either create one or start it manually |
| 19:04:18 | tweek | kergoth: alrighty - and btw (ljp_work), restarting helped |
| 19:05:09 | nishi | www.oqo.com ... its gonna be a revolution ... fully functional handheld PC with built in WiFi and Bluetooth, 256 MB RAM, 10 G HD, Touch screen and running Win XP !! |
| 19:05:25 | VerxHome | winxp? |
| 19:05:27 | VerxHome | blah |
| 19:05:33 | VerxHome | doesn't even look at the web paghe |
| 19:05:50 | nishi | i wanna wait for it to come out and then wipe off win XP and install a full linux distrib on it |
| 19:06:18 | apache444 | Hello all... I just installed opie on my IPAQ, and I have a 3COM 3C1 CF network card - does anyone here know if there's a driver for it? |
| 19:06:34 | apache444 | I know it's not a Zaurus, but I figured here would be a good place to look/ask. |
| 19:06:42 | VerxHome | apache444: Try #Familiar or #Handhelds.org |
| 19:06:54 | nishi | according to some communication I had with OQO folks, it uses standard stuff so there shouldn't be a hassle with using a standard Linux distro |
| 19:06:54 | apache444 | Thanks :) |
| 19:07:25 | VerxHome | nishi: How many buttons does it have? |
| 19:07:37 | VerxHome | most "laptop replacements" don't have enough buttons to be decent pdas |
| 19:08:28 | nishi | OQO is based on a transmeta processor running at 1 GHz |
| 19:08:29 | treke | apache444: #handhelds.org |
| 19:08:46 | benmeyer | Ok, I have completed Opie's Backup tool and it is in cvs. Enjoy |
| 19:08:58 | Neo|Work | wants Motocross Stunt Racer already. |
| 19:09:00 | Neo|Work | and IF. :P |
| 19:09:06 | oGMo | nishi: i wouldn't mind one of those in a Z ;) |
| 19:09:15 | tweek | kergoth: how can i use command-line ipkg to install to the SD card from a feed? |
| 19:09:37 | chayim | tweek: ipkg -dest sd <<package file>> |
| 19:09:50 | nishi | Imagine having a Linux Workstation on hand !! Although it would have to have handwriting recognition software since the OQO doesn't come with a KBD but could be connected to an external monitor/kbd etc ... |
| 19:09:59 | tweek | chayim: that easy huh? cool! |
| 19:10:05 | [DrEvil] | benmeyer: does your backup tool halt opie before backing up? |
| 19:10:08 | chayim | tweek: but it doesn't do the symlinks. |
| 19:10:21 | tweek | chayim: what does that affect? |
| 19:10:30 | benmeyer | DrEvil: why would i hald opie? |
| 19:10:39 | chayim | tweek: the general symlinking of files on sd to the real world. |
| 19:10:41 | nishi | is there enough software to really throw out Qtopia from a Zaurus and install X on it ? |
| 19:10:47 | [DrEvil] | because it might not back up open files |
| 19:10:48 | nishi | software in X I mena |
| 19:10:49 | nishi | mean |
| 19:11:11 | tweek | chayim: ok, weired error: invlaid destination specifiation |
| 19:11:15 | numatrix | nishi: anything from the familiar distribution will work, I don't know why you'd do that though, there's a ton of qtopia software. |
| 19:11:20 | [DrEvil] | the backup util in the Sharp ROM at least exits other apps before doing a backup |
| 19:11:28 | chayim | tweek: you might have to ask kergoth then, my syntax might be wrong. |
| 19:11:49 | tweek | chayim: do i have to add the destination to a config file somewhere? kergoth? |
| 19:11:53 | benmeyer | DrEvil: I would be really pissed if it just did that |
| 19:11:59 | benmeyer | without asking or whatnot |
| 19:12:12 | nishi | yep !! was just a thought ! Though with Qtopia I can't have the equivalent of an xterm right ? Only the terminal ... VNC would be one bet I think |
| 19:13:02 | darwin | tweek: in /etc/ipkg.conf you need "dest sd /mnt/card" on it's own line |
| 19:13:36 | moot | uhoh |
| 19:13:36 | benmeyer | how anoying, it does! |
| 19:13:45 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:13:45 | tweek | darwin: awesome, thank you |
| 19:13:54 | nishi | anyone got any news on when the SL-A300 would be available in US ? Or is there an online site from where one could get an English version ? |
| 19:14:09 | darwin | not having the symlinks means that the icons won't show up on your desktop though |
| 19:14:15 | nishi | or is it better to have a keyboard like the SL-5500 ? |
| 19:14:17 | moot | hrm i just tried to flash back to QT, i delled all my OZ stuff off of the root of /cf/ and put ROMIMAGE.rom on it, then tried to flash, green light went on for a second and went off |
| 19:14:28 | moot | a300, pff :P |
| 19:14:31 | moot | needs his keyboard |
| 19:14:33 | ChipX86 | nishi: personally, I wouldn't give up this keyboard for anything |
| 19:14:40 | moot | hell yes |
| 19:14:51 | chayim | benmeyer: I've written zesync (I'm in Toronto), and am writing a generic sync framework called zync. |
| 19:14:55 | moot | somebody help meh :P |
| 19:14:57 | kergoth | moot: 5000d? it must be named 'romimage' |
| 19:15:02 | moot | ahhh |
| 19:15:02 | [DrEvil] | benmeyer: some apps like tkcToDo don't get their data backuped up unless the app is closed |
| 19:15:08 | moot | well now it wont turn on |
| 19:15:08 | moot | :/ |
| 19:15:13 | nishi | yep, i liked it too when I tried it out ... kinda painful to use the onscreen kbd |
| 19:15:34 | moot | that isnt good |
| 19:15:37 | nishi | so far I think the SL-5500 is the best PDA around !! |
| 19:15:43 | nishi | for geeks ! |
| 19:15:44 | moot | damn now i gotta go buy a fuckin cf reader. |
| 19:15:45 | benmeyer | nishi: ibot A-300 |
| 19:15:49 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 19:15:49 | benmeyer | ibot A-300 |
| 19:15:52 | | somebody said A300 was the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale or a pxa210 |
| 19:15:52 | benmeyer | ibot A300 |
| 19:16:01 | benmeyer | it isn't coming to the us |
| 19:16:15 | moot | hrm |
| 19:16:23 | nishi | hmmm benmeyer do you like it ? how much did it cost ? |
| 19:16:23 | moot | kerg: any way to get this thing to boot? :/ |
| 19:16:35 | tweek | if i just installed embeddedkonsole-tabs, how come it doesn't show up anywhere? |
| 19:16:40 | moot | you have an a300? |
| 19:16:42 | moot | :/ |
| 19:16:45 | nishi | nope :( |
| 19:16:46 | moot | need keyboard! :P |
| 19:17:06 | moot | grrr now i gotta buy a cf reader to unfuck my z :( |
| 19:17:09 | kergoth | tweek: you were just told if you installed using ipkg -dest you wont see the icons or anything |
| 19:17:10 | darwin | tweek: did you install it with -d sd? |
| 19:17:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:17:24 | nishi | hahah i am contemplating on going an buying a SL-5500 (or waiting for the OQO) :>) |
| 19:17:34 | tweek | darwin, kergoth: i just used the package manager, but i installed it to rom |
| 19:17:42 | moot | oqo isnt even a pda :P |
| 19:17:45 | moot | its just small |
| 19:17:48 | nishi | is the A-300 better ? |
| 19:17:50 | moot | no |
| 19:17:53 | kergoth | tweek: what rom are you using? |
| 19:17:54 | moot | did you just read that |
| 19:17:56 | Ksv | i'm installing oz. is it better to use zimage-26-6 or zimage-32? |
| 19:17:59 | moot | [ ibot ] somebody said A300 was the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale or a pxa210 |
| 19:18:06 | moot | ksv, what model z? |
| 19:18:06 | tweek | kergoth: sharp 1.37 |
| 19:18:11 | kergoth | Ksv: depends on whether you need a ramdiskk, or whether you want more ram |
| 19:18:15 | Ksv | moot: 5000d |
| 19:18:20 | moot | 26-6! :P |
| 19:18:32 | moot | someone buy me a cf reader :( |
| 19:18:39 | VerxHome | Ksv: If you have SD or CF, I highly recommend the zImage-32 |
| 19:18:43 | kergoth | Ksv: if you're going to install all your apps to sd or cf, just get zImage-32 |
| 19:18:44 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 19:18:45 | [DrEvil] | I have 2 CF readers |
| 19:18:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:18:46 | [DrEvil] | neener |
| 19:18:51 | nishi | Geez no CF slot !! or KBD !! Hrm ! Then I would stick to the SL-5500 !! Any new version of SL-5500 expected with a external speaker ? |
| 19:18:51 | VerxHome | heh |
| 19:18:56 | moot | stabs drevil |
| 19:18:57 | Ksv | VerxHome: i have a 64mb cf |
| 19:18:57 | moot | evill :( |
| 19:18:58 | VerxHome | man kergoth, you rock |
| 19:19:03 | VerxHome | I just gotta say it again |
| 19:19:11 | kergoth | VerxHome: still working well? |
| 19:19:21 | VerxHome | Ksv: Then you are set. Use the zImage-32, and install all your apps to CF |
| 19:19:33 | Ksv | ok thanks |
| 19:19:33 | VerxHome | kergoth: Hell yeah, it is scaring me quite frankly |
| 19:19:52 | moot | why did the what now |
| 19:19:57 | W|GGL|T | anyone have any problems with viking 128mb sd cards? |
| 19:20:02 | moot | damn my cathode just scared the shit outa me |
| 19:20:08 | moot | it just fell, damn velcro |
| 19:20:13 | Ksv | the latest oz version is 2.9.4? |
| 19:20:28 | [DrEvil] | that's why you should use a hot glue gun |
| 19:20:32 | ljp_work | 2.9.5.5 |
| 19:20:45 | nishi | from folks who have tried it all : Is the Zaurus better or is it better to port Linux to an iPAQ ? Which is better stability/functionality wise ? Again the iPAQ lacks a KBD |
| 19:21:10 | Ksv | ljp_work: there isn't a zimage* in sourceforge |
| 19:21:21 | Ksv | ljp_work: for 2.9.5.5 |
| 19:21:30 | ljp_work | same zImage |
| 19:21:37 | nishi | saw the Zaurus for $333 online in US |
| 19:21:39 | ChipX86 | nishi: I'm thinking the people in here probably prefer their Zaurus, since, well, they're all in #Zaurus |
| 19:21:46 | nishi | yup :)) |
| 19:21:52 | moot | erm |
| 19:21:53 | moot | keyboard is god |
| 19:22:06 | moot | whenever i have to use an onscreen keyboard i want to gouge my eyes out. |
| 19:22:13 | nishi | hahaha |
| 19:22:19 | treke | nishi: the Zaurus is probably a bit more stable, USB reportedly works better, and it can use SD |
| 19:22:27 | moot | yeah |
| 19:22:29 | nishi | Hmmmm !!! Cool ! |
| 19:22:32 | Ksv | ljp_work: ok i will use the same zimage of 2.9.4 |
| 19:22:33 | moot | dumb ipaq sleeves. |
| 19:22:41 | moot | it makes it like |
| 19:22:41 | W|GGL|T | sd/cf slots (no sleeve to pay extra for) |
| 19:22:44 | treke | nishi: It also benefits from onboard cf. Personally I prefer the ipaq |
| 19:22:46 | moot | thissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss thick |
| 19:23:24 | nishi | be back ... gone to heat lunch |
| 19:23:32 | nishi | see ya guys in a bit |
| 19:23:34 | treke | moot: I like the sleeves :) |
| 19:23:49 | moot | thissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss thick |
| 19:23:51 | moot | ^ me no like |
| 19:23:57 | moot | i like thissssssss thick :P |
| 19:24:00 | W|GGL|T | has enuff sleeves in his closet |
| 19:24:22 | Neo|Work | unless you have the A300 which requires a sleeve for CF |
| 19:24:51 | moot | bah a300 :P |
| 19:25:10 | W|GGL|T | doesn't like the a300 as much as his own Z |
| 19:25:45 | junxster | my only problem w/the Z is that I keep breaking stylisususus |
| 19:25:56 | W|GGL|T | 5000? |
| 19:26:23 | junxster | got super glue all over his fingers today fixing yet another stylus |
| 19:27:50 | moot | 5500ers and their special metal styluses |
| 19:27:57 | moot | what about the 5000ders :( |
| 19:28:05 | [DrEvil] | you are just a looser |
| 19:28:14 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 19:28:23 | W|GGL|T | buy a 3rd party stylus |
| 19:28:37 | junxster | indeed. as soon as i can find one that fits the, er. hole. |
| 19:28:52 | W|GGL|T | does sharp sell them? if so, just get a 5500 stylus |
| 19:28:56 | [DrEvil] | waves his hand dissmisively waves his hand at moot |
| 19:29:01 | [DrEvil] | *bah* |
| 19:29:14 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 19:29:33 | TheMasterMind1 | why doesn't kismet work right?1 |
| 19:29:34 | Onyx4 | I would like to know if anybody here tried to built a custom serial cable for the Z data port to a db9 connector? |
| 19:29:48 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 someone here yesterday did something like that |
| 19:29:59 | Onyx4 | because I need to connect my GPS :) |
| 19:29:59 | TheMasterMind1 | i told him to put up a page explaining what he did |
| 19:30:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: someone found where to buy the Z side connector? cause no one has found that to date.. have had to buy the sharp serial cable |
| 19:30:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i think he just altered it |
| 19:30:49 | TheMasterMind1 | so the keyboard could come out |
| 19:30:51 | TheMasterMind1 | aha! |
| 19:30:54 | kergoth | ahh |
| 19:30:54 | Onyx4 | the connector can be bought seperately |
| 19:31:00 | kergoth | Onyx4: from where? |
| 19:31:01 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to give a non "" essid for kismet to work! |
| 19:31:07 | Onyx4 | let me get the link |
| 19:31:31 | nishi | whats the cheapest price for the SL-5500 as of yet ? |
| 19:31:32 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you get buzzme to work? |
| 19:31:33 | TheMasterMind1 | with kismet |
| 19:31:40 | TheMasterMind1 | nishi 334 shipped |
| 19:31:42 | TheMasterMind1 | from buy.com |
| 19:31:44 | nishi | cheaper than CNETs $333 ? |
| 19:31:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: enable it in the config file |
| 19:31:48 | nishi | Hmmm ... |
| 19:31:51 | W|GGL|T | dayam....$680 for a 1gig CF card |
| 19:31:54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i did. i thought |
| 19:32:23 | kergoth | hm, should work.. it worked in previous versions, i havent tested it recently |
| 19:32:25 | benmeyer | just nfs mount everything |
| 19:32:27 | Onyx4 | yeah buzzme doesn't work for me, I get "broken pipe" in the kismet console window |
| 19:32:30 | benmeyer | no cf card required |
| 19:32:40 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:32:40 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't get anything |
| 19:32:44 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its not configged right |
| 19:32:52 | nishi | how much is the 512 MB CF card ? |
| 19:32:52 | Onyx4 | you have to change the config file, it's messed up |
| 19:33:08 | Onyx4 | I think some of the keywords lui guisoundplay should have been just "soundplay" |
| 19:33:08 | kergoth | Onyx4: whats up with the config file? |
| 19:33:20 | Onyx4 | otherwise it would just say "sound not enabled" |
| 19:33:36 | nishi | is there an NFS server for the zaurus ? and Samba client ? |
| 19:33:39 | TheMasterMind1 | yea it doesn't work |
| 19:33:45 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 19:33:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i have it in kismet_ui.conf |
| 19:33:55 | W|GGL|T | nishi: around $200 on amazon.com |
| 19:33:57 | [DrEvil] | I have all that in my rom image |
| 19:34:13 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/bin/buzzme |
| 19:34:25 | nishi | o i c |
| 19:34:34 | TheMasterMind1 | nishi nfs client, not server though. and there is a samba client too i think |
| 19:34:34 | Onyx4 | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?SerialPort |
| 19:34:34 | Onyx4 | <--- link for serial connector part # and order |
| 19:34:45 | TheMasterMind1 | its in the kernel so smb* should work |
| 19:34:52 | nishi | hmmm cool !! |
| 19:35:13 | nishi | me thinks ... I will go out and buy the zaurus again and not return it this time :) |
| 19:35:13 | [DrEvil] | there is a nfs server for the Z |
| 19:35:25 | Onyx4 | smb is terribly slow in the 2.4.6 Zaurus kernel |
| 19:35:38 | kergoth | Onyx4: thanks for the info |
| 19:35:43 | [DrEvil] | MSpin: you should add buzzer support to your kismet gui |
| 19:35:48 | nishi | ok thx onyx |
| 19:36:06 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: good idea |
| 19:36:19 | Onyx4 | so if anyone can come up with a cable that works, I'd like to buy one custom from you :) |
| 19:36:28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what are you supposed to config to get the buzzme thing working? |
| 19:36:36 | TheMasterMind1 | it works from commandline |
| 19:36:38 | TheMasterMind1 | not from kismet |
| 19:36:39 | moot | http://wsbn.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-Photo_Gallery&file=index&game=tribes&event=uva4&nr=84 |
| 19:36:42 | moot | haha its my computer |
| 19:36:45 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: same thing here |
| 19:36:59 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't get an error either |
| 19:37:58 | nishi | i read in the Linux Journal abt a year ago that a programmer in India had some code to use the internal PC speakers (that would normally just beep and buzz) to actually play MP3s !! Anyone remember that article/URL ? |
| 19:38:26 | junxster | no, but i used to play sound through my pc-speaker on my 486 w/a screwey windows driver |
| 19:38:30 | junxster | so it IS possible |
| 19:38:33 | killefiz_ | nishi: check the latest kernel traffic at kt.zork.net |
| 19:38:44 | [DrEvil] | damn Real Networks and their phony job postings |
| 19:38:45 | TheMasterMind1 | its killefiz ! |
| 19:38:51 | kergoth | killefiz: yeah ithought i remembered reading a thread on it.. |
| 19:38:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:38:56 | [DrEvil] | they have been posting this one job for over a year |
| 19:39:01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:39:04 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: is that a surprise for you? |
| 19:39:05 | TheMasterMind1 | kicks kismet |
| 19:39:08 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz no |
| 19:39:24 | nishi | hmmm ... so then wouldn't a zaurus port be possible ... at least if not for MP3s, but for recorded memos and the like |
| 19:39:25 | TheMasterMind1 | who are you? |
| 19:40:11 | Onyx4 | nishi: I'm not sure if that beeper is like a PC speaker, I dont think it has different tones |
| 19:40:21 | junxster | nishi: i doubt the z beeper has the same range as a pc speaker |
| 19:40:34 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: who i am? |
| 19:40:39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i'm going to attempt to make a qt/opie mk now |
| 19:40:44 | Onyx4 | nishi: all I could get out of it is "beep beep beep" all the same tone |
| 19:40:46 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz yea |
| 19:40:56 | TheMasterMind1 | the clicks are a different tone |
| 19:40:59 | TheMasterMind1 | if you have them enabled |
| 19:41:11 | killefiz | check the whois link on my homepage |
| 19:41:14 | nishi | aha |
| 19:41:20 | | killefiz is, like, a Qtopia/Opie software archive at http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 19:41:20 | Onyx4 | ibot: killefiz |
| 19:41:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 19:42:15 | nishi | what does an euivalent of "ls -l > /dev/audio" on a pc produce on the zaurus ? noise or just beep ? |
| 19:42:47 | W|GGL|T | is about to buy viking 256mb cf and 128mb sd cards |
| 19:43:31 | TheMasterMind1 | W|GGL|T hmm, i heard of some issues with viking cf |
| 19:43:38 | TheMasterMind1 | someone was complaining |
| 19:44:07 | W|GGL|T | doh |
| 19:44:18 | junxster | /dev/audio makes headphone output |
| 19:44:29 | W|GGL|T | TheMasterMind1: a group thing or just one individual? |
| 19:44:55 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 19:45:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i just heard of one guy saying he was having problems with formatting and using it with the Z |
| 19:45:10 | TheMasterMind1 | don't remember who |
| 19:45:42 | W|GGL|T | i'll go ahead and get it...its cheaper. now, if half the Z community were complaining about it, that'd be a different story |
| 19:45:43 | nishi | i meant the /dev/<whatever> where whatever is the device name for the little beeper on the zaurus if it has one ... |
| 19:46:12 | kergoth | nishi: it has a buzzer, and the buzzer doesnt have a functional standard /dev/audio or /dev/dsp device |
| 19:46:14 | Onyx4 | nishi: check the howtos, it says how to use the beeper |
| 19:46:18 | | it has been said that howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 19:46:18 | Onyx4 | ibot: howtos |
| 19:47:08 | Onyx4 | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/buzzer_howto.shtml |
| 19:47:27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth anything about that suspend/resume issues with cf? |
| 19:47:31 | Onyx4 | the buzzer only does 3 sounds |
| 19:47:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 19:47:42 | nishi | ok got it :) |
| 19:48:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: turns out it was the way opie was suspending the Z. there's a libopie ipk that works in http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/test/ |
| 19:48:07 | | it has been said that killefiz is the guy running the zsi (zaurus software index) at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ you can email him: mailto:zaurus@killefiz.de |
| 19:48:07 | killefiz | ibot: killefiz |
| 19:48:15 | killefiz | better |
| 19:48:24 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 19:48:25 | numatrix | The other was a little wierd. |
| 19:48:26 | kergoth | killefiz: much better, now it doesnt sound like you're a walking talking software archive |
| 19:48:39 | TheMasterMind1 | 4 sounds |
| 19:49:05 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth eh? how was it suspending it? |
| 19:49:14 | TheMasterMind1 | is it fixed in cvs? |
| 19:49:16 | moot | walking talking software archive, hehe |
| 19:49:18 | killefiz | kergoth: yeah - i've had some people thinking that killefiz is a bot |
| 19:49:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: using an ioctl to the /dev/apm_bios .. which *should* work, but wasnt |
| 19:49:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 19:49:28 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 19:49:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so now we just call out apm --suspend instead |
| 19:49:32 | numatrix | killefiz: Just with ~really~ good AI, right? |
| 19:49:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: which works |
| 19:49:38 | TheMasterMind1 | opensource rocks :D |
| 19:49:39 | ljp_work | kergoth is a bot/script |
| 19:49:51 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth is a robotic techsupport agent |
| 19:49:54 | kergoth | shh |
| 19:50:11 | numatrix | killefiz: need a new category: "libraries" |
| 19:50:16 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, lets see if opie wants to compile |
| 19:50:33 | killefiz | numatrix: how many apps fit into the libraries category? |
| 19:51:33 | numatrix | I gues Development or Utilities is close, but not quite it. zlib, libSDL, umm... that one that is used by the port of less. |
| 19:52:00 | numatrix | Yeah, I guess not too many; but I can think of 3 to start off with. I don't know. Which would you recommend? Development, Console or Utilities? |
| 19:52:03 | kergoth | libpcap |
| 19:52:08 | kergoth | libncurses5 |
| 19:52:09 | kergoth | etc |
| 19:52:15 | numatrix | kergoth: There we go. Thanks. |
| 19:52:19 | kergoth | np |
| 19:52:28 | tux_mike | is it a bad thing if the run box fills the whole screen? :) |
| 19:52:31 | kergoth | (sharp rom uses libncurses4) |
| 19:52:33 | killefiz | numatrix: i'm fine with new categories as long as more then one or two apps fit in |
| 19:52:33 | kergoth | tux_mike: hah |
| 19:53:06 | numatrix | killefiz: I think we have enough for a library category it sounds like. |
| 19:53:07 | tux_mike | kerg: i'm turning into the BOFH... the next user who complains about 1024x768 gets 320x200 |
| 19:53:20 | numatrix | tux_mike: monochrome? |
| 19:53:28 | tux_mike | hrmmmm |
| 19:53:40 | tux_mike | i don't know if windows will like that |
| 19:53:42 | killefiz | numatrix: categorie added |
| 19:53:52 | numatrix | killefiz: excellent, thanks. |
| 19:53:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:53:57 | kergoth | tux_mike: 16 color would do |
| 19:54:14 | numatrix | killefiz: Which brings to mind a new license type: LGPL. |
| 19:54:16 | tux_mike | i wonder how many would complain about this mode :) |
| 19:54:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth can i setup a zaurus dev environment without being root? |
| 19:55:00 | killefiz | hmm ... a new license lgpl or a change of name from gpl to "gpl/lgpl"? |
| 19:55:20 | VerxHome | anyone here installed opie player 2? |
| 19:56:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i told you the other day, i never become root for copmilation or development |
| 19:56:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 19:57:07 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:57:11 | TheMasterMind1 | anything is possible |
| 19:57:18 | kergoth | within reason |
| 19:57:19 | kergoth | hey rikkus |
| 19:57:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i'll set it up on a school comp then |
| 19:57:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i have root if needed |
| 19:57:44 | kergoth | i havent taken a single support call in 3 hours |
| 19:57:46 | kergoth | what a dead day |
| 19:57:58 | tux_mike | kergoth: that's what i call a good day |
| 19:58:01 | rikkus | hi |
| 19:58:02 | rikkus | bye |
| 19:58:09 | numatrix | killefiz: One other suggestion while I'm on the subject; have you considered adding a little mini house icon like the picture icon that could be used to show if the item had a homepage and the image would link straight to it instead of having to click on the details tab. |
| 19:58:27 | kergoth | tux_mike: indeed |
| 19:58:37 | Harlekin | re |
| 19:58:47 | kergoth | tux_mike: except i still have to document my time, and justify my existance.. so i have to say i'm studying or training or doing something productive |
| 19:58:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe |
| 19:59:15 | tux_mike | yah, you say it. but you program the kernel :) |
| 19:59:17 | nishi | is there software to add users with their own id and password ? different from the usual root access > |
| 19:59:19 | tux_mike | or sit here on irc :) |
| 19:59:30 | killefiz | numatrix: well - i've talked about more icons with benmeyer but it ended in the conclusion that more icons don't give more information ... what do others think? |
| 19:59:32 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah, exactly |
| 19:59:43 | kergoth | nishi: adduser? |
| 19:59:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:59:49 | numatrix | killefiz: I think it would be useful because the house icon could be a direct link to the homepage. It saves clicks. |
| 19:59:53 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:59:55 | TheMasterMind1 | what does opie depend on |
| 19:59:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:00:07 | nishi | oh just like on suse or others ? cool |
| 20:00:31 | numatrix | killefiz: And a download icon could be a direct click to download. Seems quite functional to me. It's less about giving more information and being a convienant shortcut view of the item that allows you access to most of the funcionality without making people load up the details. |
| 20:00:47 | nishi | can the default root mode be protected ? |
| 20:01:01 | numatrix | anyway, I'm home for the day; talk to you guys later. |
| 20:01:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: libqt2, libc6, libjpeg62, e2fsprogs iirc |
| 20:01:36 | tux_mike | finally starts doing some coding on his program |
| 20:03:29 | tux_mike | gah! autopilot coding bugs :) |
| 20:04:05 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth any special ./configure options etc (aside from the stuff on the handhelds.org wiki) |
| 20:05:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nope, just follow the wiki and you'll be fine |
| 20:05:36 | moot | ? |
| 20:05:43 | TheMasterMind1 | and the stuff from $OPIEDIR/bin goes to /usr/bin in stating? |
| 20:05:46 | TheMasterMind1 | staging |
| 20:06:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no, just like your Z, everything goes into /opt/QtPalmtop |
| 20:06:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bin -> staging/opt/QtPalmtop/bin .. etc |
| 20:07:02 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 20:07:10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i woulndt worry about staging for now. note that opie's ./mkipks creates its own ipks.. |
| 20:07:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you dont need to create the control files ourselves for the apps or anything |
| 20:07:35 | matt02_rc | how do I ftp into my Zaurus on the Open Zaurus rom? |
| 20:07:42 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 20:07:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:07:50 | VerxHome | anyone here have little 0 byte files in your apps directory? |
| 20:07:56 | TheMasterMind1 | so should i use mkipks and then copy them into that oz/oz3/.... dir? |
| 20:08:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no need, once opie is added we just change the path to install them from sources/ipks/ like everything else |
| 20:08:22 | VerxHome | like I have an /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Settings/sysinfo |
| 20:08:26 | VerxHome | do I -*NEED*- that? |
| 20:08:39 | kergoth | VerxHome: ? |
| 20:08:46 | VerxHome | it is a zero byte file |
| 20:08:54 | kergoth | odd |
| 20:09:01 | Ksv | i can't ping the z and i get "usb-uhci.c: process_transfer: fixed toggle" in /var/log/messages |
| 20:09:04 | VerxHome | I seem to have a zero byte <filename> file for nearly every <filename>.desktop file in apps |
| 20:09:06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth right, but what do i do during staging? nothing right. and during binary install i would run mkipkg and then have it copy the ipkgs to source/ipks/ |
| 20:09:09 | Ksv | what should i do? |
| 20:09:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: exactly. we can make staging do what it should later on |
| 20:11:02 | matt02_rc | what sync IP does OZ use and how do I change it? |
| 20:11:37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ok |
| 20:15:13 | n3ur0m | can anyone help me in installing OpenSSH on my z? |
| 20:15:42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth we're using ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-embedded-2.2.3.tar.gz ? |
| 20:16:02 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: 2.3.3 |
| 20:16:03 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 20:16:05 | TheMasterMind1 | right |
| 20:16:08 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.3.3 |
| 20:16:09 | TheMasterMind1 | where is that |
| 20:16:21 | Harlekin | qtopia 1.5 src rpm (sdk) |
| 20:16:29 | TheMasterMind1 | rpm?! |
| 20:16:39 | TheMasterMind1 | there's no plain tar gz |
| 20:16:49 | TheMasterMind1 | of source |
| 20:17:10 | Harlekin | not sure |
| 20:18:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i see the 2.3.2 tar.gz on the ftp |
| 20:18:13 | TheMasterMind1 | but not 2.3.3 |
| 20:24:22 | imm | hi |
| 20:26:07 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 26 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: numatrix: well - i've talked about more icons with benmeyer but it ended in the conclusion that more icons don't give more information ... what do others think? [Thu Sep 5 20:59:30 2002] |
| 20:26:07 | anselor | ibot seen killefiz |
| 20:28:19 | imm | anselor: hi |
| 20:28:28 | anselor | imm: hello |
| 20:28:51 | imm | anselor: did you "seen" Sniper today ? |
| 20:29:01 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 3 hours, 58 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: brb [Wed Sep 4 17:30:47 2002] |
| 20:29:01 | anselor | ibot seen sniper |
| 20:29:04 | anselor | heheh |
| 20:29:18 | anselor | we scared him off. |
| 20:29:24 | imm | yep :) |
| 20:29:49 | anselor | imm: have you heard? we're mirroring zsi :-P |
| 20:30:15 | imm | anselor: cool ! |
| 20:30:38 | imm | anselor: how do you sinc the php stuff ? |
| 20:30:52 | anselor | imm: although i imagine the main site would work faster for you than one hosted in texas,US |
| 20:31:04 | anselor | imm: i don't know, killefiz is taking care of that. |
| 20:31:12 | anselor | but it's on our server |
| 20:31:13 | imm | anselor: yes, i will stay on .de |
| 20:31:56 | imm | anselor: did you work on matchmaker ? |
| 20:32:34 | TheMasterMind1 | why?:\ |
| 20:33:09 | anselor | imm: yeah, i'm redoing the interface and rewriting my network stuff |
| 20:34:12 | imm | anselor: are you useing your own ping ? |
| 20:34:47 | anselor | imm: no, i don't think i'll have time to do that |
| 20:34:51 | Neo|Work | got the green light to announce my newest port: Hyperspace Delivery Boy by Monkeystone Games |
| 20:35:13 | anselor | imm: it's on my to-do list |
| 20:35:37 | imm | Neo|Work: screenies ? |
| 20:37:04 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:37:08 | TheMasterMind1 | virtual valerie for the Zaurus |
| 20:37:23 | Neo|Work | http://www.monkeystone.com/products/hdb/screenshots.php |
| 20:38:20 | chayim | . |
| 20:38:33 | imm | NeoTron: looks nice |
| 20:38:35 | Neo|Work | I'm doing the desktop port first but most of the code is shared |
| 20:38:48 | Neo|Work | i.e Linux desktop (and possibly other SDL platforms) |
| 20:39:08 | imm | NeoTron: is there a Jump'n'Run game in your queue ? |
| 20:39:29 | Neo|Work | not at this point no. know of any such games for PocketPC? |
| 20:40:16 | imm | NeoTron: no |
| 20:40:52 | imm | NeoTron: some Super Mario clone would be nice |
| 20:40:53 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: looks a bit like zelda |
| 20:40:57 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: indeed |
| 20:41:01 | TheMasterMind1 | so no one knows where to get qt 2.3.3 source? |
| 20:41:03 | Neo|Work | it's a retro game. :P |
| 20:41:13 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: does it play like zelda? |
| 20:41:18 | Neo|Work | http://www.avault.com/reviews/review_temp.asp?game=hdb |
| 20:41:21 | Neo|Work | I haven't played it.. |
| 20:41:25 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 20:41:26 | Harlekin | or is it more action |
| 20:41:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i haven't played it.. i just write it |
| 20:41:37 | Neo|Work | "HDB is part classic Zelda, part Rescue Rover (an old id Software puzzle game) and part comic genius. " |
| 20:41:41 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1: s/write/port/ |
| 20:41:47 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 20:41:49 | Neo|Work | I generally don't play my ports until... well they are ported |
| 20:41:55 | Harlekin | looks like the first pda game i might buy |
| 20:41:57 | Harlekin | ,.-) |
| 20:41:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:42:09 | imm | NeoTron: or commander keen, that just ROCKS ! |
| 20:42:12 | Neo|Work | the PDA version is 9 MB. :) |
| 20:42:27 | anselor | imm: i was just thinking commander keen would be cool to port. |
| 20:42:29 | anselor | or clone |
| 20:42:43 | Neo|Work | "cool to port" might be relative |
| 20:42:56 | imm | anselor: yes, i would like doing such thing |
| 20:42:56 | anselor | perhaps 'cool to have ported' would be better |
| 20:43:04 | anselor | heheh |
| 20:43:15 | imm | wonders if there is a GPL SDL scroll engine |
| 20:43:20 | Neo|Work | I don't know anything about the game but chances are it might be hell to port |
| 20:43:47 | TheMasterMind1 | who develops the original stuff? |
| 20:43:49 | TheMasterMind1 | which you then port |
| 20:43:50 | anselor | mayhaps run it through a stripped down wine |
| 20:43:58 | anselor | or dosemu |
| 20:44:15 | imm | anselor: i dont think it scales that well |
| 20:44:29 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1: various people/companies |
| 20:44:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 20:44:38 | imm | how did they scale doom down ? |
| 20:44:38 | Neo|Work | HDP is by Monkeystone == John Romero |
| 20:44:54 | Neo|Work | imm: Doom is not scaled down... |
| 20:45:22 | Neo|Work | i.e the version of prboom that plays on the Zaurus is the same as the desktop version |
| 20:45:24 | angry | TheMasterMind1: when im installing debian from floppy it does a network install? |
| 20:45:32 | TheMasterMind1 | angry yea |
| 20:45:37 | TheMasterMind1 | you can install only the software you need |
| 20:45:40 | TheMasterMind1 | which is very nice |
| 20:45:52 | TheMasterMind1 | no need to download 3 cds of junk you don't need |
| 20:45:58 | angry | yeah |
| 20:46:07 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get install gcc g++ automake autoconf flex bison |
| 20:46:14 | TheMasterMind1 | that's probably one of the first things you want to do |
| 20:46:15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:46:16 | TheMasterMind1 | or not |
| 20:46:19 | angry | lol |
| 20:46:20 | imm | Neo|Work: but the screen resolution is smaller ? |
| 20:46:34 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get install apache php4 php4-gd php4-ming php4-mysql mysql-server mysql-client |
| 20:46:37 | TheMasterMind1 | for a basic server |
| 20:46:41 | TheMasterMind1 | web/mysql |
| 20:46:43 | TheMasterMind1 | etc etc |
| 20:46:55 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get install ssh pop3d |
| 20:47:04 | TheMasterMind1 | read those tutorials i have on my page |
| 20:47:14 | angry | i cant get your serv working |
| 20:47:20 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 20:47:24 | angry | err |
| 20:47:27 | angry | i cant access ur sites |
| 20:47:31 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
| 20:48:11 | Neo|Work | imm: no |
| 20:48:11 | TheMasterMind1 | try now |
| 20:48:18 | Neo|Work | imm: doom is 320x200 original resolution |
| 20:48:18 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 20:48:26 | TheMasterMind1 | i wasn't running apache |
| 20:48:27 | TheMasterMind1 | grr! |
| 20:48:27 | Neo|Work | ...and the zaurus is 320x240... |
| 20:48:30 | angry | hehe |
| 20:48:45 | Onyx4 | more like 240x340 :) |
| 20:48:53 | Neo|Work | newer doom versions do have scaling builtin so you can scale UP but 320x200 is the smallest |
| 20:48:54 | Onyx4 | 240x320 I mean |
| 20:48:55 | kergoth | no, the Z is 320x240 |
| 20:49:02 | Neo|Work | Onyx4: not for DOOM using landscape. :P |
| 20:49:04 | Ksv | oz installed succesfully rocks!!! |
| 20:49:18 | kergoth | Onyx4: remember that the vertical orientation is actually a 270% rotated display |
| 20:49:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:49:29 | Neo|Work | right. :PP |
| 20:49:30 | Onyx4 | must be weird to play in landscaped mode with the keyboard on the side |
| 20:49:36 | kergoth | er, degree, not % |
| 20:49:37 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 20:49:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:49:43 | angry | i need to do all those disks? |
| 20:50:00 | Onyx4 | oh so the native mode is really 320x240 and opie is actually rotated in normal mode? |
| 20:50:04 | treke | kergoth: I've always wondered why they do that... seems like the way the a300 does it would be faster |
| 20:50:08 | kergoth | Onyx4: yep |
| 20:50:08 | treke | Onyx4: yup |
| 20:50:26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth where do i get qt-embedded-2.3.3 |
| 20:50:26 | kergoth | treke: good question |
| 20:50:28 | Onyx4 | oh then this is good for movie playback performance if we don't have to rotate |
| 20:50:35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: harlekin already told you, inside the src.rpm |
| 20:50:40 | Harlekin | Onyx4: got it |
| 20:50:41 | Harlekin | ,.) |
| 20:50:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we may have to have it use rpm2cpio | cpio to extract it from the src.rpm |
| 20:50:53 | Harlekin | Onyx4: thats why fullscreen is so fast |
| 20:50:56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth bleh. |
| 20:50:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: since Sources: doesnt have a method for extracting an rpm |
| 20:51:04 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 20:51:08 | Ksv | but opie player must be included |
| 20:51:08 | imm | has to stop looking at commander keen ss or he gets wet |
| 20:51:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i can add one.. |
| 20:51:20 | treke | imm: keen on te zaurus? |
| 20:51:23 | Onyx4 | so when are gonna be mem optimizations for op2 ? |
| 20:51:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: true. just rpm2cpio blah.rpm | cpio x iirc |
| 20:51:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: add it to SourceTree |
| 20:51:44 | kergoth | er |
| 20:51:50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: configs/methods/sourcetree i mean |
| 20:52:01 | angry | TheMasterMind1: do i need to make disks for all those bins? |
| 20:52:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ok |
| 20:52:19 | TheMasterMind1 | angry yea, 6 disks |
| 20:52:27 | angry | this may be hard ;) |
| 20:52:32 | kergoth | yep, root, boot, and 4 driver disks |
| 20:52:34 | Ksv | now i will install op2 (i know it is a beta but op2 it's very cool!!) :) |
| 20:52:36 | imm | treke: that would ROCK |
| 20:52:37 | anselor | angry: it's pretty easy to install debian, really |
| 20:52:43 | kergoth | unless you've got a debian cd, in which case you can have it use that |
| 20:52:51 | angry | i think i already made a debian network install cd |
| 20:52:53 | kergoth | i love how with debian you start small and add what you need |
| 20:52:58 | treke | imm: too bad the source is probably long gone :) |
| 20:53:08 | Neo|Work | Uninteresting fact: I'm now working with 2 ex-id ppl |
| 20:53:12 | angry | i havent had good luck with it though |
| 20:53:14 | imm | treke: id was done by ID |
| 20:53:16 | angry | im going ot go try it again |
| 20:53:17 | angry | later |
| 20:53:35 | treke | imm: Yeah, which is why I'm sure the source is long gone :) |
| 20:53:39 | TheMasterMind1 | rpm should be killed |
| 20:53:43 | anselor | i wonder who owns the rights to keen |
| 20:53:47 | treke | imm: If they still had it, it would probably have been released long ago :) |
| 20:54:01 | anselor | okay, i'm reading way too slow. |
| 20:54:07 | imm | treke: don't know ID that good, but why do you have such feelings ? |
| 20:54:20 | imm | treke: ok |
| 20:54:44 | treke | imm: Their policy has been to gpl all their source eventually |
| 20:55:14 | treke | (where eventually is defined as sometime after all their licensors are done and they arent selling it any more) |
| 20:55:29 | TheMasterMind1 | opie could use a lightapp |
| 20:55:36 | TheMasterMind1 | or rather, light applet |
| 20:55:41 | Neo|Work | treke: seems like the source exists, at least mostly |
| 20:55:55 | treke | TheMasterMind1: light applet? like opie-light-and-power? |
| 20:56:04 | TheMasterMind1 | no like in the taskbar |
| 20:56:10 | treke | ah |
| 20:56:15 | TheMasterMind1 | that does what the opie-light-and-power does basically |
| 20:56:15 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: isnt your taskbar full enough allready? |
| 20:56:19 | TheMasterMind1 | just easier to access |
| 20:56:24 | treke | like opie doesnt have enough applets? |
| 20:56:25 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin nope, it only has 2 things |
| 20:56:35 | TheMasterMind1 | all i have is volume/cardmon |
| 20:56:39 | TheMasterMind1 | the rest is useless |
| 20:56:44 | TheMasterMind1 | but i would use a light thing |
| 20:56:46 | Harlekin | volume |
| 20:56:50 | Harlekin | time |
| 20:56:55 | Onyx4 | I removed the clock applet to free up room for the others |
| 20:56:56 | TheMasterMind1 | oh yea, time also |
| 20:56:56 | Harlekin | bluetooth |
| 20:56:57 | anselor | quick google search says something about source at abandonkeep.com |
| 20:56:57 | Harlekin | irda |
| 20:57:01 | anselor | but it doesn't load |
| 20:57:02 | treke | has battery, volume, time, copy and paste |
| 20:57:03 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin i removed all of those |
| 20:57:11 | Harlekin | copy n paste |
| 20:57:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:57:27 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 that suspend resume issue was fixed |
| 20:57:31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:57:35 | TheMasterMind1 | opie has a lot of source |
| 20:57:39 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 20:57:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:57:47 | Onyx4 | yeah with the new ipk kergoth did right? |
| 20:57:53 | TheMasterMind1 | still cvs-ing |
| 20:57:57 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 20:58:01 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 i guess |
| 20:58:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i just know its fixed, dunno where you can get the fixed ver |
| 20:58:10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:58:11 | Onyx4 | let me know once the new ipk are in the regular feed |
| 20:58:22 | kergoth | Onyx4: k |
| 20:58:41 | W|GGL|T | anyone get the linksys routers to let Zs use 192.168.129.201 as an IP? |
| 20:58:42 | Onyx4 | which ipk was it in particular? |
| 20:58:46 | TheMasterMind1 | hopefully it was fixed in this cvs |
| 20:58:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth so when are we releasing a new oz? |
| 20:58:57 | W|GGL|T | my router only uses 192.168.1.x |
| 20:59:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:59:33 | TheMasterMind1 | wired/wireless? |
| 20:59:34 | TheMasterMind1 | or usb? |
| 20:59:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't see how usb has anything to do with a router |
| 20:59:52 | W|GGL|T | wireless |
| 20:59:52 | TheMasterMind1 | if its wired/wireless, can't you get a dhcp ip? |
| 20:59:58 | TheMasterMind1 | just do dhcp.. |
| 21:00:03 | TheMasterMind1 | and get a good one from the linksys |
| 21:00:06 | alex1241551`4 | anyone know where the transcode script is? the script that encodes movies for the z in divix? |
| 21:00:08 | TheMasterMind1 | and it will setup your gateway and dns too |
| 21:00:12 | | hmmm... transcode is a linux video processing tool that can be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. see http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt |
| 21:00:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot transcode |
| 21:00:17 | W|GGL|T | even wired, it wont use anything other than 192.168.1.x |
| 21:00:28 | alex1241551`4 | TheMasterMind1: man that ibot sure is cool! |
| 21:00:33 | W|GGL|T | all my computers are static |
| 21:00:38 | TheMasterMind1 | W|GGL|T on console, do dhcpcd wlan0 or dhcpcd eth0 |
| 21:00:40 | TheMasterMind1 | static = sucks |
| 21:00:55 | TheMasterMind1 | (mac address based dhcp)++ |
| 21:00:55 | W|GGL|T | nice opinion |
| 21:01:30 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what i use |
| 21:01:38 | TheMasterMind1 | both at home and for the 42 computers at school |
| 21:02:04 | W|GGL|T | i want all my computers to have dedicated IPs...they don't always stay on and i don't want them always switching |
| 21:02:10 | TheMasterMind1 | doh! |
| 21:02:15 | TheMasterMind1 | that's why you do mac address based |
| 21:02:24 | TheMasterMind1 | so they always stay the same, yet autoconfigure |
| 21:02:24 | | okay, Onyx4. |
| 21:02:24 | Onyx4 | ibot transcode is also talk to Onyx4 for any problems/questions. |
| 21:02:25 | W|GGL|T | dhcpd eth0 does nothing |
| 21:02:30 | | transcode is a linux video processing tool that can be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. see http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt or talk to Onyx4 for any problems/questions. |
| 21:02:30 | Onyx4 | ibot: transcode |
| 21:02:32 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 21:02:38 | TheMasterMind1 | well, it won't if you dont' have a dhcp server running |
| 21:02:43 | W|GGL|T | set the router to use mac addresses? |
| 21:02:49 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure if you can |
| 21:02:59 | TheMasterMind1 | i use a linux server with dhcpd which lets me config that |
| 21:03:05 | TheMasterMind1 | set an ip etc for each mac address |
| 21:03:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i would imagine its possible on the router.. |
| 21:03:38 | Onyx4 | I think newer linksys firmware supports dhcp static allocation |
| 21:03:43 | W|GGL|T | using the cradle, you'll have to use static ip though, right? |
| 21:03:57 | W|GGL|T | looks like i need to flash my router then |
| 21:04:01 | TheMasterMind1 | touch: creating `/home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/stamps/opie-20020905-1a/stamp-sourcetree': No such file or directory |
| 21:04:07 | rikkus | who was the person pimping qnx here ? |
| 21:04:13 | Onyx4 | actually if you go thru the usb craddle, you can't use your linksys |
| 21:04:20 | Onyx4 | you use your desktop PC as a router/NAT box |
| 21:04:30 | Onyx4 | so you keep the 192.168.129.201 ip address |
| 21:04:42 | Onyx4 | check the USB networking howto for the Z |
| 21:04:48 | | i guess howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 21:04:48 | Onyx4 | ibot: howtos |
| 21:05:11 | W|GGL|T | Onyx4: yeah...was wondering...im on wifi but still occasionally use my cradle |
| 21:05:41 | Onyx4 | oh ok, do you have the linksys router/firewall/wifi all in one? |
| 21:05:42 | W|GGL|T | especially when the Z is charging |
| 21:05:51 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 21:06:02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:06:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i have none |
| 21:06:06 | Onyx4 | ok then I think it should have static ip allocation |
| 21:06:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a linux box that does all three and runs daemons |
| 21:06:23 | Onyx4 | I use a linux box too |
| 21:06:38 | TheMasterMind1 | mine has 3 network cards :D |
| 21:06:38 | W|GGL|T | under static routing? |
| 21:06:53 | Onyx4 | probably not |
| 21:06:53 | W|GGL|T | im in linux too |
| 21:08:09 | Onyx4 | worse case just don't use dhcp for wifi, the linksys has a reserved range for static ip anyway already |
| 21:08:12 | Ksv | after i installed oz i can remove zimage and initrd from the cf? |
| 21:08:24 | Onyx4 | Ksv: yes |
| 21:08:56 | Ksv | Onyx4: why isn't possible to update rom without cf? |
| 21:08:59 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 29 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: howdy ho [Thu Sep 5 15:39:51 2002] |
| 21:08:59 | Harlekin | ibot: seen bigboss |
| 21:09:04 | Harlekin | hm |
| 21:09:41 | TheMasterMind1 | W|GGL|T you could just set your static ip to 1.x |
| 21:09:48 | TheMasterMind1 | 129.x is weird anyway |
| 21:10:51 | W|GGL|T | ive tried that with qtopiadesktop and it wasn't working so i left it at 129.x :o( |
| 21:11:20 | Onyx4 | Ksv: you mean like you can update the sharp rom with their windows tool? |
| 21:12:23 | Ksv | Onyx4: i wonder why isn't possible to install oz without cf? |
| 21:12:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth at what step does it create the dir in stamps/ ? |
| 21:12:36 | kergoth | Ksv: read the faq |
| 21:12:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: every step |
| 21:12:43 | Ksv | kergoth: ok |
| 21:12:51 | | well, openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 21:12:51 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 21:12:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth but the directory stamps/opie-xxxx/ doesn't exist |
| 21:12:58 | TheMasterMind1 | where does it create that |
| 21:13:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it creates it at *EVERY* step |
| 21:13:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if it doesnt already exist |
| 21:13:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:13:24 | TheMasterMind1 | what file then |
| 21:13:28 | Ksv | can anyone give me a link for a simple and cool background image for opie? |
| 21:13:30 | TheMasterMind1 | where is the code that does that |
| 21:13:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it is *always* $(Name)-$(Version)-$(Revision) (if Revision is defined) |
| 21:13:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its all in the template. |
| 21:13:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: configs/templates/method |
| 21:13:45 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 21:14:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if Revision isnt defined, its just stamps/$(Name)-$(Version) |
| 21:14:07 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:14:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i see the touch statements that make the files |
| 21:14:19 | TheMasterMind1 | but not the mkdirs |
| 21:14:25 | TheMasterMind1 | its trying to touch the stamp but the dir doesn't exist |
| 21:14:47 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 21:14:49 | TheMasterMind1 | see it now |
| 21:15:22 | kergoth | $(STAMP_DIR)/$(Name)-$(Version)$(if $(Revision),$(shell echo -$(Revision))): |
| 21:15:22 | kergoth | @-mkdir -p $@ |
| 21:15:24 | W|GGL|T | ok...i can now ping my Zaurus from desktop to wifi |
| 21:15:24 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:15:28 | kergoth | end of the template |
| 21:15:33 | W|GGL|T | thanks Onyx4 |
| 21:15:40 | W|GGL|T | for the linksys tip |
| 21:16:24 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 21:16:35 | Onyx4 | so you used a static non-dhcp ip ? |
| 21:17:20 | W|GGL|T | went into the static routing table on the router and added 192.168.129.201 (static, non-dhcp) ip |
| 21:17:39 | Harlekin | kergoth: that gui ipkg still does not find it |
| 21:17:45 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 21:17:46 | imm | Neo|Work: one of the keen designer is the founder of Monkeystone Games :) |
| 21:17:58 | Neo|Work | imm: I know, I'm chatting with him |
| 21:17:59 | imm | Neo|Work: so there is hope for a Z keen ! |
| 21:18:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm, can i add wildcard support for sources.. so you can do qte233-*.patch |
| 21:18:19 | imm | Neo|Work: dopefish :) |
| 21:18:24 | ibz | hi |
| 21:18:24 | TheMasterMind1 | or is that not smart |
| 21:18:27 | TheMasterMind1 | just list em? |
| 21:18:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i dont think wget can handle * |
| 21:18:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if we add it, we want to make sure it works for all source methods, not just local |
| 21:18:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so i'd just list it for now |
| 21:18:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 21:18:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:20:39 | imm | Neo|Work: can you ask if they do a Rump'n'Run game anytime soon ? |
| 21:21:01 | Neo|Work | what is that? :P |
| 21:21:11 | TheMasterMind1 | jumpo? |
| 21:21:28 | imm | Neo|Work: ? |
| 21:21:48 | Neo|Work | rump'n'run... like foo? |
| 21:22:13 | imm | Neo|Work: like keen, gianna sisters ... |
| 21:22:26 | imm | Neo|Work: side scroller |
| 21:22:43 | Neo|Work | so.. a platform game. :P |
| 21:23:03 | imm | Neo|Work: call it as you want :) |
| 21:23:54 | TheMasterMind1 | patch: **** Can't change to directory /home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/qt-1a : No such file or directory |
| 21:23:56 | TheMasterMind1 | fun |
| 21:24:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:24:24 | TheMasterMind1 | easily fixable bugs are great |
| 21:25:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: forget to set SourceTree? |
| 21:26:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i set it wrong |
| 21:26:11 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 21:26:17 | ryan_ | anyone know why my SD card seems to now report it's size as 0? is my parition table fubared?! |
| 21:26:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:26:41 | TheMasterMind1 | sd card woes |
| 21:27:00 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: you run cardmon and have a sd card? |
| 21:27:09 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
| 21:27:15 | ibz | prolly a FAQ, but why is the kernel version at 2.4.6? |
| 21:27:15 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't show in cardmon half the time |
| 21:27:16 | Harlekin | does it show up in cardmon? |
| 21:27:18 | TheMasterMind1 | but its mounted |
| 21:27:20 | ryan_ | TheMasterMind1: yeah, fdisk says "unable to read /dev/mmcda" :) |
| 21:27:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i checked mount |
| 21:27:21 | ryan_ | i mean :( |
| 21:27:32 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: half the time? |
| 21:27:33 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin only sometimes it shows up |
| 21:27:35 | ryan_ | anyone know how i might fix that? |
| 21:27:36 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 21:27:38 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno why |
| 21:27:51 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: stange |
| 21:27:53 | Harlekin | strange |
| 21:27:54 | W|GGL|T | damn opieftp doesn't bookmark...unless its been updated since this version |
| 21:28:18 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 21:28:24 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 21:28:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth why do the opie qt patches have the first arguement as file.orig |
| 21:28:54 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:29:02 | kergoth | ohh |
| 21:29:04 | kergoth | it doesnt matter |
| 21:29:05 | kergoth | but |
| 21:29:08 | TheMasterMind1 | does too |
| 21:29:10 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't work |
| 21:29:11 | Neo|Work | imm: anyway, I'll see what I can do about Keen. most definitely no promises or anything however |
| 21:29:13 | TheMasterMind1 | its fixed in the new patches |
| 21:29:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm still using 2.3.2 |
| 21:29:16 | kergoth | no, its irrelevant if you use the correct -p |
| 21:29:17 | jmhodges | is back (gone 03:48:25) |
| 21:29:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: those patches needed -p0 from within QTDIR, whereas the sourcetree will use -p1 from within $QTDIR |
| 21:29:40 | TheMasterMind1 | well, how will it know what file to patch |
| 21:29:49 | TheMasterMind1 | if the filename has a .orig at the end of it |
| 21:29:51 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: cat /etc/mtab please |
| 21:30:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i know the directory doesn't matter |
| 21:30:05 | TheMasterMind1 | but the filename does |
| 21:30:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: trust me, it works |
| 21:30:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the patches are fine, i apply them regularly in the build process |
| 21:30:24 | TheMasterMind1 | --- src/kernel/qsoundqss_qws.cpp.orig Wed Jan 30 12:49:24 2002 |
| 21:30:24 | TheMasterMind1 | +++ src/kernel/qsoundqss_qws.cpp Wed Jan 30 12:47:41 2002 |
| 21:30:31 | kergoth | and? |
| 21:30:38 | kergoth | like i said, the patches *work* |
| 21:30:39 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't work for me.. it should work with the 2.3.3 patches i guess |
| 21:30:51 | kergoth | you're using -p0 from within $QTDIR? |
| 21:31:00 | TheMasterMind1 | File to patch: can't find file to patch at input line 3 |
| 21:31:03 | treke | it works for me |
| 21:31:05 | kergoth | no shit! |
| 21:31:08 | kergoth | LISTEN |
| 21:31:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not doing anything, the template is doing it |
| 21:31:18 | kergoth | those patches need to be applied with -p0 from within QTDIR, the template is using -p1! |
| 21:31:26 | kergoth | !!! |
| 21:31:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:31:34 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 21:31:41 | TheMasterMind1 | alright alright |
| 21:31:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i get it |
| 21:31:49 | TheMasterMind1 | mutters about stupid filenames |
| 21:31:49 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:31:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so we either add a means of specifying the -p level within the Sources variable, or we patch the patches to use a different one |
| 21:32:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i.e. Sources = /path/to/patch:0 for -p0, or something |
| 21:32:17 | TheMasterMind1 | funtacular |
| 21:32:36 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin its showing up in cardmon right now |
| 21:32:45 | kergoth | what is? |
| 21:32:48 | TheMasterMind1 | and when it isn't, i check "mount" and it shows as mounted |
| 21:32:50 | TheMasterMind1 | the sd card |
| 21:32:57 | TheMasterMind1 | sometimes it doesn't show in cardmon even though its mounted |
| 21:33:01 | kergoth | weird |
| 21:33:01 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 21:33:07 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: when that happens again |
| 21:33:10 | kergoth | wishes the OZ sd driver used hotplug |
| 21:33:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:33:16 | kergoth | s/OZ/Z/; |
| 21:33:17 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: please to a cat /etc/mtab in that moment |
| 21:33:17 | TheMasterMind1 | today i had the cf in the thing |
| 21:33:19 | TheMasterMind1 | and it wasn't showing |
| 21:33:24 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: and mail it to me |
| 21:33:24 | TheMasterMind1 | in cardmon |
| 21:33:35 | TheMasterMind1 | but then i ejected the cf and the cardmon like refreshed and showed the sd |
| 21:33:40 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin ok |
| 21:33:42 | imm | Neo|Work: cool, thanks ! |
| 21:34:01 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: for cf please cat |
| 21:34:12 | imm | Neo|Work: would be a shame if such a great game rusts in the tresures of id |
| 21:34:16 | Harlekin | "/var/lib/pcmcia/stab |
| 21:34:27 | kergoth | is happy to be able to suspend his Z again after terminating opie |
| 21:35:01 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1 harlekin@handhelds.org |
| 21:35:21 | TheMasterMind1 | will do |
| 21:35:54 | ryan_ | can anynone please tell me how to try and rescue my SD card? |
| 21:36:08 | kergoth | fuck |
| 21:36:13 | kergoth | Harlekin: does oipkg handle the new ipk format? |
| 21:36:15 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 21:36:19 | Harlekin | kergoth: should |
| 21:36:24 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 21:36:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:36:26 | kergoth | Harlekin: k.. |
| 21:36:29 | Harlekin | kergoth: tille worked on it |
| 21:36:29 | TheMasterMind1 | when i click on an ipkg from cf |
| 21:36:29 | Neo|Work | new ipk format? |
| 21:36:35 | Harlekin | kergoth: if not. mail him |
| 21:36:35 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't show title and description and all |
| 21:36:40 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: no more tar.gz in tar.gz |
| 21:36:44 | kergoth | Neo|Work: .deb format. tar.gz within ar instead of tar.gz within tar.gz |
| 21:36:51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, its funny how i just ignore little stuff that's broken like that now |
| 21:36:52 | kergoth | Neo|Work: wastes less cpu cycles, makes more sense |
| 21:36:56 | Harlekin | and is faster |
| 21:37:01 | TheMasterMind1 | it would get me really pissed before |
| 21:37:01 | kergoth | that too |
| 21:37:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe. you're learning to go with the flow man, be laid back |
| 21:37:15 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 21:37:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, lets see |
| 21:37:27 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 21:37:33 | TheMasterMind1 | what's teh easiest way to implement the patch level thing |
| 21:37:43 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 21:37:49 | TheMasterMind1 | send an extra var to _sourcetree_patch |
| 21:37:53 | Neo|Work | but I guess that won't work on the Zaurus for a long time |
| 21:38:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah. and get that var by parsing it out of Sources .. like /path/to/blah.platch:0 |
| 21:38:09 | Neo|Work | I always wondered why it was doubly compressed |
| 21:38:25 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yeah, it wont work on the Z until they switch to the C version of ipkg |
| 21:38:51 | Neo|Work | wonder when (if) that iwll happen. I think they still use an ancient busybox |
| 21:39:32 | Neo|Work | 0.52 - is that old? |
| 21:39:40 | W|GGL|T | same version as the Agenda VR3 |
| 21:39:41 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 21:39:42 | Neo|Work | 2001-8-30... |
| 21:39:43 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 21:39:50 | Neo|Work | that's on the A300 |
| 21:40:02 | W|GGL|T | its the same version on the 5500 too |
| 21:40:18 | W|GGL|T | xavier has a hacked busybox on his site |
| 21:40:22 | Neo|Work | should write a mail to Japan perhaps |
| 21:40:36 | W|GGL|T | there's one at ZSI too |
| 21:40:46 | W|GGL|T | dunno what the differences are tho |
| 21:40:56 | BZFlag | W|GGL|T: what's the hacked busybox for? |
| 21:41:13 | W|GGL|T | BZFlag: i THINK it has additional commands |
| 21:41:17 | W|GGL|T | not sure tho |
| 21:41:30 | BZFlag | just a newer version, yes? not hacked from the main sources? |
| 21:41:41 | kergoth | yeah its just a newer ver with an altered config |
| 21:41:43 | kergoth | iirc |
| 21:41:49 | kergoth | similar to what is used in oz |
| 21:41:50 | BZFlag | kergoth: ipkg in busybox would be cool. hint hint.. ;-) |
| 21:41:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:42:02 | ryan_ | can ANYONE tell me what to do if fdisk can even access my SD card?! |
| 21:42:02 | kergoth | I'm waiting for ipkg to get stable on its own first, thanks |
| 21:42:15 | W|GGL|T | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/zindex.html |
| 21:42:32 | kergoth | ryan_: fdisk /dev/mmcsda says what? |
| 21:42:35 | [DrEvil] | sacrifice a chicken to the zaurus gods |
| 21:42:40 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 21:42:44 | kergoth | nono, a goat, not a chicken |
| 21:42:50 | ryan_ | kergoth: "Unabel to read /dev/mmcda" |
| 21:42:53 | ryan_ | *Unable |
| 21:42:55 | W|GGL|T | a virgin |
| 21:42:56 | kergoth | and be sure to spread the blood around the Z |
| 21:42:57 | [DrEvil] | it's a pda |
| 21:43:00 | [DrEvil] | a goat is too big |
| 21:43:01 | BZFlag | ryan_: it should but many people report that fdisk'ing SD causes the card to go to lala land. |
| 21:43:07 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 21:43:10 | W|GGL|T | a cricket then |
| 21:43:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:43:16 | BZFlag | a virgin goat? |
| 21:43:19 | ryan_ | BZFlag: so basically, i have to go do an RMA and get a new card? |
| 21:43:20 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:43:22 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 21:43:34 | BZFlag | ryan_: quite possibly. |
| 21:43:49 | ryan_ | BZFlag: SHITTY |
| 21:43:55 | W|GGL|T | man, i hope my sd i just ordered doesn't go to shit |
| 21:44:02 | W|GGL|T | viking |
| 21:44:59 | BZFlag | ryan_: agreed. I've tried recovering SD cards here on every hardware/software system I can find that should access them and have had the same luck. fdisk on the cards seems to screw them up sometimes an then nothing I've found can recover them. |
| 21:45:46 | BZFlag | it's not just a zaurus thing though, I did fdisk from windows on a usb/sd adapter and had the same lala land result. |
| 21:45:59 | treke | sd is that delicate? |
| 21:46:38 | BZFlag | I suspect (but have no evidence yet) that SD is not well tested for interoperability. |
| 21:46:41 | kergoth | hrm |
| 21:46:54 | kergoth | does anyone remember what the 2.4 and 2.5 branches are called in mtd cvs? |
| 21:46:57 | BZFlag | could be voltage level differences etc. I have no clue yet. |
| 21:47:28 | treke | BZFlag: well it seems like most every pda out there has sd troubles |
| 21:48:20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth the path variable (the first one) sent to the _source_patch would have the :0 and i just parse that out right |
| 21:48:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, it'll pass /path/to/blah.patch:0 to _source_patch |
| 21:48:52 | angrybsd | nice, debians almost done |
| 21:48:53 | BZFlag | kergoth: http://www.infradead.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/mtd/ <- check the dropdown on the bottom. |
| 21:48:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its probably up to you to split it out. use cut -d: -f2 or something |
| 21:49:04 | kergoth | BZFlag: ah! i coulndt find the viewcvs. thanks |
| 21:49:23 | BZFlag | treke: yep. seems to be common. |
| 21:49:31 | Ksv | in oz ftp isn't available? |
| 21:49:54 | BZFlag | Ksv: wget should be there in busybox. that enough? |
| 21:49:55 | kergoth | Ksv: it should be. if not, install netkit-ftp |
| 21:50:00 | kergoth | that too |
| 21:50:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:51:54 | ryan_ | BZFlag: you've had the same thing happen to a card of yours? |
| 21:52:22 | BZFlag | ryan_: yes, a number of them here in the office. |
| 21:53:32 | ryan_ | BZFlag: and the retailer you bought them from exchanged them? |
| 21:55:32 | TheMasterMind1 | likes cut |
| 21:57:52 | pK-MrMeanor | is away: watercolor |
| 22:05:07 | ntropy | hey, anyone know whats new about the 1.6 qtopia beta? |
| 22:06:20 | kergoth | the qtopia 1.6 or the qtopia desktop 1.6? |
| 22:06:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:06:35 | ntropy | kergoth: qtopia 1.6 |
| 22:06:52 | TheMasterMind1 | yugh |
| 22:06:54 | kergoth | ntropy: i dont think the 1.6 snapshot is even available on their site anymore. |
| 22:07:02 | TheMasterMind1 | shell scripting is so icky |
| 22:07:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 22:07:13 | ntropy | oh, my mistake. |
| 22:07:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i can understand why you write such shitty code |
| 22:07:17 | ntropy | it was the desktop |
| 22:07:23 | TheMasterMind1 | decided to follow your example |
| 22:07:24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:07:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: like i said, when i *script*, i code for *function*, when i *code*, i design it properly |
| 22:07:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:08:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:08:20 | TheMasterMind1 | ok it should work now |
| 22:08:24 | TheMasterMind1 | its very ugly |
| 22:08:26 | TheMasterMind1 | but it should work |
| 22:08:30 | kergoth | i believe it. try it |
| 22:08:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i am |
| 22:08:48 | kergoth | course did you make sure it'll work in the old .mk's when :1 isnt specified? |
| 22:08:49 | TheMasterMind1 | if this works, then i have to make sure the non :0 ones work |
| 22:08:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:08:56 | kergoth | echo |
| 22:08:57 | burtonator | anyone notice a 'lag' in the recent OZ update? |
| 22:09:00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, that's where the whole problem is |
| 22:09:09 | kergoth | burtonator: nope, most have said it feels faster |
| 22:09:12 | TheMasterMind1 | have to accomodate for that |
| 22:09:13 | burtonator | all my screen taps have to happen 2-4 times before they register... |
| 22:09:25 | burtonator | kergoth: other than that... yeah... it is faster. |
| 22:09:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: make it default to -p1 if the :blah isnt specified |
| 22:09:30 | burtonator | ... as long as I use the keyboard. |
| 22:09:33 | TheMasterMind1 | yea thats what i did |
| 22:09:36 | kergoth | burtonator: odd, i havent seen any touchscreen problems |
| 22:09:40 | TheMasterMind1 | it was just a pain with the way its setup |
| 22:09:51 | kergoth | burtonator: try the feed at http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/test instead |
| 22:09:51 | TheMasterMind1 | like it can't gunzip it and check file type etc |
| 22:09:56 | TheMasterMind1 | if there's a :0 at the end of the name |
| 22:10:03 | burtonator | kergoth: what is the diff between that? |
| 22:10:09 | TheMasterMind1 | so that has to be passed to each function serperately |
| 22:10:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, it can, as long as you strip off the :0 before passing it on |
| 22:10:16 | burtonator | kergoth: I think we should have testing and unstable feeds. |
| 22:10:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the methods are highly recursive, in case you didnt notice |
| 22:10:24 | burtonator | (not stable since we aren't 1.0 yet) |
| 22:10:25 | kergoth | burtonator: no. all of opie is unstable |
| 22:10:26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:10:29 | kergoth | burtonator: heh |
| 22:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i noticed |
| 22:10:37 | burtonator | testing is acceptable I think... |
| 22:10:42 | kergoth | burtonator: theres nothing that we have thatd qualify as 'testing' |
| 22:10:46 | kergoth | burtonator: yet.. |
| 22:10:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yay it works! |
| 22:10:58 | TheMasterMind1 | patching source with p = 1 |
| 22:10:58 | TheMasterMind1 | patching file .config |
| 22:10:59 | kergoth | burtonator: when i start having people test the new kernels, then we'll have an unstable feed for that crap |
| 22:11:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nice |
| 22:11:10 | burtonator | well... we need to do SOMETHING cause having one feed that may or not break a PDA is a bad thing. |
| 22:11:17 | kergoth | burtonator: deal with it. |
| 22:11:22 | TheMasterMind1 | now to get qt2.3.3 |
| 22:11:29 | kergoth | burtonator: opie is built from *CVS* and as such is under active development |
| 22:11:36 | kergoth | burtonator: theres nothing to be done about it |
| 22:11:42 | kergoth | burtonator: not until opie releases anyway |
| 22:12:01 | burtonator | you are focusing on details not the end result. |
| 22:12:05 | kergoth | huh? |
| 22:12:10 | burtonator | I want CVS snapshots that aren't TOTALLY broken. |
| 22:12:16 | kergoth | and? |
| 22:12:21 | alex1241551`4 | If i reencode a movie, what should size as in aspect rasio should i resize it too? |
| 22:12:24 | burtonator | having a testing feed (or call it something else) would work... |
| 22:12:25 | kergoth | cvs isnt totally broken. |
| 22:12:29 | kergoth | no, it wouldnt. |
| 22:12:34 | kergoth | where would the ipks come from? |
| 22:12:43 | burtonator | I have never had OZ working correctly... |
| 22:12:43 | kergoth | not from cvs, cause cvs is inherently unstable |
| 22:12:50 | kergoth | burtonator: it works flawlessly here |
| 22:12:57 | kergoth | burtonator: minus the fact that the ipk format change broke oipkg |
| 22:13:01 | alex1241551`4 | hrmm never mind |
| 22:13:02 | burtonator | the ipks would just be from 'unstable' that we know we haven't had any serious errors on. |
| 22:13:24 | burtonator | what/when was this format change? |
| 22:13:39 | kergoth | burtonator: i have no packages which i *know* there are no serious problems, because 99% of the time *I* never see the problems |
| 22:13:47 | kergoth | burtonator: the thing is, when do you consider it stable? |
| 22:13:55 | kergoth | burtonator: how long under the public eye before you consider it solid? |
| 22:14:07 | kergoth | burtonator: for all you know 12 new bugs could crop up right after youy call it 'testing' |
| 22:14:12 | kergoth | burtonator: therein lies the problem |
| 22:14:27 | kergoth | burtonator: because its all nonreleased, theres never a guarantee of functionality |
| 22:14:29 | burtonator | did you create the ml yet? |
| 22:14:34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:14:38 | kergoth | openzaurus-devel and openzaurus-users |
| 22:14:38 | burtonator | sweet! |
| 22:14:40 | kergoth | they're both up |
| 22:14:52 | kergoth | and of course there's the opie mailing list for opie issues |
| 22:14:59 | burtonator | well that would be a great way to get feedback on the stability of a feed. |
| 22:15:16 | kergoth | true, but we'd have to establish guidelines again, how else would you know when to consider it stable enough? |
| 22:16:06 | kergoth | OZ itself is close to the point where i'd want to call it released, minus adding pam and pppd and the switch to a new kernel |
| 22:16:09 | kergoth | the rest is waiting on opie |
| 22:16:45 | burtonator | well.. I guess archiving of the old ipks is fine for right noW. |
| 22:16:53 | kergoth | they're all in old/ in the feed |
| 22:16:59 | burtonator | ... I mean all a testing feed would really be is an older feed. |
| 22:17:00 | hunger | is very comftable with OZ's stability. |
| 22:17:01 | burtonator | I knoW... |
| 22:17:34 | kergoth | burtonator: we could create archives of the feed as of a given date. i.e. when i build it on 20020905, copy it into feeds/old/20020905 |
| 22:17:42 | hunger | OK, it breaks occasionally, but most of the time it is me breaking it;-) |
| 22:17:57 | angrybsd | TheMasterMind1: whats up with this binutils kernel link failure thingy? |
| 22:18:13 | kergoth | hunger: therein lies the problem with tryinhg to have a 'testing' feed. I get shitloads of bug reports that are user error, it takes time to isolate them all |
| 22:18:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:18:31 | hunger | feels hurt. |
| 22:18:45 | burtonator | kergoth: that would be SWEET! |
| 22:18:48 | hunger | kergoth: The mayority of the bugs are mine;-) |
| 22:18:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:19:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:20:03 | TheMasterMind1 | angrybsd binutils kernel link failure? |
| 22:20:04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:20:08 | TheMasterMind1 | oh that's just a warning isn't it |
| 22:20:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ignore it |
| 22:20:20 | TheMasterMind1 | its for em 2.2.x users |
| 22:20:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth where is this 2.3.3 rpm |
| 22:21:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: pub/qtopia/ on trolltech ftp |
| 22:21:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: theres a qtopia sdk .i386.rpm and a .src.rpm, you want the .src.rpm |
| 22:21:27 | angrybsd | which display manager should i default? gdm kdm or xdm? |
| 22:21:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: note: it contains a nuamber of tarballs, not just qt-embedded |
| 22:21:40 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:21:40 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:21:52 | TheMasterMind1 | fun. |
| 22:21:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so if the sourcetree method just extracts it, we'll end up with a number of tarballs in build/ |
| 22:22:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 22:22:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so what i'd recommend... |
| 22:22:14 | TheMasterMind1 | yes? |
| 22:22:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: create a tarball in sources that only contains build/qtopia-sdk .. a empty directory |
| 22:22:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: add that tarball to Sources |
| 22:22:42 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:23:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then, either add the sdk rpm to Sources or manually use source and sourcetree to downloa dand extract it |
| 22:23:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: see some of the other .mk's for examples |
| 22:23:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: a few of them do this. particularly the orinoco drivers did, but i rmeoved that .mk a while ago |
| 22:23:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:23:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the whole point of htis being that we end up with build/qtopia-sdk/ with the tarballs in it, rather than in the root of build/ |
| 22:23:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: get it? |
| 22:24:05 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:24:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then you can call out sourcetree to extract qt-embedded-2.3.3.tar.gz |
| 22:24:20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if you need assistance let me know |
| 22:24:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:25:19 | TheMasterMind1 | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qtopia/qtopia-free-1.5.0-1.src.rpm ? |
| 22:25:31 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:28:00 | ntropy | so, do most of you guys use Qt Designer? |
| 22:28:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:28:26 | TheMasterMind1 | BinaryCmds ? |
| 22:28:34 | TheMasterMind1 | that's where it would go right |
| 22:28:37 | TheMasterMind1 | like in wlan-ng |
| 22:28:42 | kergoth | a lot of developers use it to lay out the interface initially, then remove hte .ui and alter the cpp/h |
| 22:28:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes exactly |
| 22:28:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sine there isnt a SourceTreeCmds |
| 22:28:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 22:29:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: though, .. |
| 22:29:02 | kergoth | ponders |
| 22:29:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the whole buildroot is such a gross hack, its amazing that it works as well as it does. hehe |
| 22:31:48 | kergoth | haha |
| 22:31:53 | kergoth | #ifdef THISSUCKS |
| 22:31:53 | kergoth | i love reading code |
| 22:33:03 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 22:34:12 | ljp_ | where's that at? |
| 22:34:30 | kergoth | jffs2 sources |
| 22:34:47 | kergoth | i'm working on adding in newer jffs2 into 2.4.6 |
| 22:35:06 | kergoth | even though i've never delved into that code before |
| 22:35:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:35:25 | kergoth | k i'm out. bbl |
| 22:36:23 | TheMasterMind1 | exit |
| 22:36:24 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 22:39:28 | angrybsd | damnit |
| 22:39:31 | angrybsd | X isnt working |
| 22:39:31 | | cloudchaser was last seen on #zaurus 19 hours, 16 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: yes but it takes some doing with some of them [Thu Sep 5 04:23:22 2002] |
| 22:39:31 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen cloudchaser |
| 22:39:39 | angrybsd | no screens found |
| 22:40:19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ugh! |
| 22:40:31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth you realize all that :0 stuff i did is worthless because of the stupid rpm |
| 22:40:35 | TheMasterMind1 | goddamit |
| 22:40:57 | W|GGL|T | damn! syncing via wifi is QUICK! |
| 22:41:02 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 22:56:42 | cod | hi > all |
| 22:57:39 | cod | can someone help me in a little problem regarding MIME types and automatic association of a MIME with a certain application and certain argv parameter ? |
| 22:58:04 | ljp_ | hmmm mperhaps |
| 22:58:12 | cod | ok, |
| 22:58:44 | cod | so I've made a application that register a certain mime type in the postinst script |
| 22:58:58 | cod | ofc, if I brose the filesystem with the file manager for instance |
| 22:59:12 | cod | I see the association between my application and that file type |
| 22:59:45 | cod | when I double click on that file , the system fires up my appliation but place nothing in the argv parameter list |
| 22:59:58 | cod | except, ofc, the application name |
| 23:00:57 | cod | I don;t know what to do to tell the system that I need for instnace not to only start the application but also pass a paramtere '-f' for instance and then the filename |
| 23:01:19 | cod | any ideas about this ? |
| 23:01:28 | cod | hints, directions anything |
| 23:01:51 | cod | ? |
| 23:01:52 | ljp_ | use a setDocuments(const QString &) to grab the incoming filename |
| 23:02:00 | ljp_ | err setDocument |
| 23:02:28 | ljp_ | I dont think you can tell it to send extra args besides a filename |
| 23:02:47 | cod | it's ok just the file name |
| 23:03:19 | ljp_ | ya, when you click on an associated file/icon, it opens your app, and send the filename to setDocument |
| 23:04:25 | cod | but from where I should get the filename, argv[1] ? cause argc =1 (only the executable file name) and not > 1 |
| 23:04:57 | ljp_ | from the QString |
| 23:05:04 | ljp_ | in setDocument |
| 23:05:16 | cod | just a sec |
| 23:05:16 | ljp_ | is deosnt use argv, it uses qcop |
| 23:05:29 | cod | I'm asking about it, *before* setDocument ... |
| 23:05:39 | cod | uups |
| 23:06:18 | cod | qcop hmmm |
| 23:06:19 | cod | alien to me for now ... |
| 23:07:17 | ljp_ | just create slot void setDocument(const QString&) in the header |
| 23:07:56 | ljp_ | and in your cpp void whatEverApp::setDocument(const QString fileName) { qdebug(fileName);} |
| 23:08:28 | ljp_ | it has to be a slot function |
| 23:08:40 | ljp_ | heh qDebug |
| 23:09:58 | ljp_ | fileName will be a QString of whatever is in your apps' File= line for the DocLnk |
| 23:10:29 | cod | void TextEdit::setDocument(const QString& fileref) { bFromDocView = TRUE; openFile(DocLnk(fileref)); showEditTools(); } |
| 23:10:29 | cod | |
| 23:10:30 | cod | ? |
| 23:10:43 | cod | this is a code snippet from textedit |
| 23:10:48 | cod | I think I got it ... |
| 23:12:08 | ljp_ | yep |
| 23:12:18 | cod | thank you |
| 23:12:30 | cod | thank you very much |
| 23:13:42 | tux_mike | i gots me a new mouse |
| 23:13:51 | tux_mike | and i realize why i don't like suse :) |
| 23:14:12 | cod | why? |
| 23:14:33 | cod | (anyway, RH user here :) ) |
| 23:15:21 | tux_mike | install has got to be the least user friendly thing i've seen, at least for network install. with redhat, insert proper disk, boot, install. |
| 23:15:31 | ljp_ | try mandrake, its got lots of nifty config wizards, and a 'control panel' |
| 23:15:37 | cod | from what I know, SUSE & Mandrake are nice, Debian is stable and sometime RH is usefull :) |
| 23:15:46 | tux_mike | i can't stand mandrake |
| 23:15:56 | tux_mike | mandrake makes baby jesus cry :) |
| 23:16:12 | ljp_ | how so.. its better than redfat |
| 23:16:25 | cod | hehe, even this, you have to recognise that aurora is nice on Mandrake |
| 23:16:52 | tux_mike | mandrake is on the level of suse for me |
| 23:17:05 | ljp_ | heh and redhat isnt? |
| 23:17:05 | cod | from my point of view, Mandrake is more bloated than RH, even if it is more eyecandy :) |
| 23:17:28 | ljp_ | heh if you think having one app to do configurations from bloat |
| 23:17:37 | cod | nah |
| 23:17:43 | cod | I'll give you a small example |
| 23:17:45 | tux_mike | i plan on using a modified redhat. i plan on stripping their damned patches out of some sw. like kde |
| 23:18:08 | DrXXXXwrk | does anyone have the sharpmobile cf cell card? |
| 23:18:13 | ljp_ | I _always_ use kde and qt from sources |
| 23:18:13 | DrXXXXwrk | i wonder if its worth a shit |
| 23:18:24 | cod | pls compare the configuration file from RH with those many configuration files from MAndrake for GRUB for instance |
| 23:18:48 | cod | why Mandrake'grub cfg file is so damn complicated ,,, I don't know ... |
| 23:19:03 | ljp_ | bad example, cause you can easily edit a grub file |
| 23:19:14 | cod | uses Gnome2 from sources :) |
| 23:19:19 | cod | and it rox |
| 23:19:22 | tux_mike | ljp: i like using RPMs though, because i can remove it and upgrade it gracefully |
| 23:19:41 | cod | ever tryes apt-get from debian > tux_mike ? |
| 23:19:49 | ljp_ | me too.. except for kde and qt, cause I have several version of each |
| 23:19:53 | tux_mike | but i don't like what the distros do to it |
| 23:20:05 | cod | apt-get is real heaven compared to RPM, even if I'm a RMM user |
| 23:20:21 | tux_mike | i run one version of kde, one of qt, and two of qt/e |
| 23:21:33 | ljp_ | right now, I have one kde.. 3 qt's, 4 qtopia's, 3 opie's |
| 23:21:46 | cod | hmm I know it's quite s hsoot in the dark, but I just saw on a second hand shop HP Ergo1600 21'' Monitor for only 200$ and they have 5 of them and I can choose the one I want. |
| 23:21:49 | tux_mike | that's a lot |
| 23:22:03 | ljp_ | heh ya.. |
| 23:22:52 | ljp_ | oh, and two embedix sdk's |
| 23:22:53 | cod | worth a try for $.2k ? |
| 23:23:16 | cod | and you still have space for pr0n > ljp_ ? |
| 23:23:18 | cod | :) |
| 23:23:32 | ljp_ | harddrive space is so cheap |
| 23:24:01 | ljp_ | thats only on one partition |
| 23:24:02 | pK-MrMeanor | is back (gone 01:26:13) |
| 23:25:02 | cod | true, hdd space is cheap ... |
| 23:25:14 | mutexer | if you have money :) |
| 23:26:04 | cod | a 80GB Seagate Baracuda IV, that has the entire mechanical on magnetic fluid (it;s so quite it geenrate only 14dB) costs about $100 here :) |
| 23:26:32 | cod | true this too > mutexer |
| 23:27:04 | mutexer | I wish I had the money to get a new harddrive Ive been running off this 13gb too long |
| 23:27:06 | cod | but what the hell, it's better to spend on hardware than drink/women |
| 23:27:12 | cod | yah, shure ... :) |
| 23:28:12 | cod | 13gb, geeez, I have 40g and am almos all the time out of space |
| 23:28:13 | cod | for instance only Blade2, DVD quality gets me 1.4g |
| 23:28:16 | mutexer | windows XP had to be formatted after awhile as it ate up all the space...I swear it replicates while your sleeping |
| 23:28:30 | cod | and sometimes I have almos 14 movies on it |
| 23:28:40 | tux_mike | my sister's new kitten is the coolest. it will climb up you and sit on your shoulder :) |
| 23:29:10 | TheMasterMind1 | /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 23:29:11 | TheMasterMind1 | ARGH! |
| 23:29:16 | mutexer | thats cause it thinks your a peon...it has to be higher than you |
| 23:29:22 | cod | hehe, burn the wich, burn XP, install Linux + WineX and you still can play WarCraft3, ofc if you are a Quaker you do not need even WineX :) |
| 23:29:36 | mutexer | IM using linux right now |
| 23:29:49 | mutexer | XP is chillin in stasis |
| 23:30:42 | cod | I start XP only to remember how it looks and ofc get angry ti still increase it's page file |
| 23:30:51 | cod | imagine that |
| 23:31:14 | cod | I have 512MB DDR, and XP is so kind to make a swap=3xmem size |
| 23:31:14 | cod | so |
| 23:31:18 | mutexer | I was expecting when I booted back into it for it to say "What's wrong?...Microsoft Employees tell me that you have not used me for sometime" |
| 23:31:23 | cod | I have a 1.5g swap file |
| 23:31:29 | cod | isn;t it cute? |
| 23:31:30 | Neo|Work | http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/?ice.jpg <-- funny one |
| 23:31:37 | tux_mike | cod: that's nuts |
| 23:31:54 | Neo|Work | that's peanuts |
| 23:31:56 | mutexer | you have to watch XP...it backs it self up..the default space to hold wasted backups is 2gb |
| 23:31:56 | Neo|Work | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 23:31:56 | Neo|Work | Mem: 516436 426748 89688 0 79348 158940 |
| 23:31:57 | Neo|Work | -/+ buffers/cache: 188460 327976 |
| 23:31:57 | Neo|Work | Swap: 7606616 121644 7484972 |
| 23:32:04 | Neo|Work | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 23:32:04 | Neo|Work | Mem: 900936 887776 13160 0 106400 478696 |
| 23:32:04 | Neo|Work | -/+ buffers/cache: 302680 598256 |
| 23:32:04 | Neo|Work | Swap: 4096496 884 4095612 |
| 23:32:05 | cod | mutexer pls check the Add/Remove programs section there you'll see all your applications used "Rarely" :) > Mutexer |
| 23:32:24 | Neo|Work | now THAT is swap |
| 23:32:37 | mutexer | 7 gb! |
| 23:32:42 | tux_mike | mutexer: on my new laptop, i don't want to give xp any more than 6G |
| 23:33:07 | Neo|Work | to be honest, it's 7 GB because I saved some space to use for potential other stuff and while I have nothing better to do I use it as swap |
| 23:33:20 | Neo|Work | 4 GB one though is fully intentional |
| 23:33:26 | Neo|Work | I'm tired of running out of memory (TM) |
| 23:33:38 | tux_mike | i've never done |
| 23:33:39 | tux_mike | that |
| 23:33:41 | mutexer | what are you doing that you run out of memory? |
| 23:33:49 | mutexer | I never even use swap |
| 23:34:02 | tux_mike | has never had linux complain on out of memory with 512MB of total VM |
| 23:34:06 | Neo|Work | well, recently nothing but bugs |
| 23:34:17 | Neo|Work | like Netscape doing it on a number of occasions |
| 23:34:32 | Neo|Work | it didn't complain it died. :-) |
| 23:34:34 | tux_mike | netscape?! |
| 23:34:35 | Neo|Work | complete lockup |
| 23:34:40 | Neo|Work | some weird ass bug |
| 23:34:43 | mutexer | I have 768mb of ram...I hardly go over that |
| 23:34:47 | Neo|Work | don't rememeber what it was now |
| 23:34:55 | tux_mike | you use netscape?! |
| 23:35:03 | Neo|Work | not now |
| 23:35:08 | Neo|Work | back in the day |
| 23:35:15 | tux_mike | oh, ok :) |
| 23:35:18 | Neo|Work | when I only had 512 MB of memory and such |
| 23:35:29 | cod | 's linux never complained too even if cod is usually runnig Jboss+IntelliJ Idea + Mozilla + Together 6.0 :) |
| 23:35:32 | Neo|Work | 1 GB + 512 MB that is being replaced because it broke |
| 23:35:41 | Neo|Work | but unfortunately I can't use it all due to CAS conflicts |
| 23:35:57 | tux_mike | the new linux VM seems to be very good |
| 23:36:03 | Neo|Work | Might sell the 2x256 MB CAS2 memory ang get another 512 MB CAS3 just to max it outy |
| 23:36:13 | Neo|Work | otherwise I'm limited to 1.25 GB. :( |
| 23:36:29 | tux_mike | i've had processes hog the hell out of memory and never got an error or crash or mysterious death :) |
| 23:36:37 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: new as in new in 2.4.X something? as in the one that swaps out inactive programs completely unnecessarily? |
| 23:36:59 | Neo|Work | it sucks because every day I get back to work all apps are swapped out for no good reason |
| 23:37:09 | tux_mike | the one in the later 2.4, there are 2 different ones in the 2.4 series |
| 23:37:23 | Neo|Work | later 2.4 = ? |
| 23:37:38 | Neo|Work | and is it in the mainstream branch? |
| 23:37:39 | cod | btw, I've noticed last week that even if in the 2.4.19 there is already support for ethernet over usb it do not work woth Z |
| 23:37:54 | cod | and some mote |
| 23:37:55 | tux_mike | i think like 10 and higher, and yah, mainstream brantch |
| 23:37:58 | cod | s/mote/more |
| 23:38:08 | kergoth`out | cod: there are two ethernet over usb drivers in the official kernel tree, neither of which work with the Z, technically. |
| 23:38:23 | cod | I know keergoth |
| 23:38:27 | cod | and even more |
| 23:38:38 | Neo|Work | and the A300 requires a patched version |
| 23:38:42 | kergoth | even more? no, there's usbnet and CDCEther |
| 23:38:55 | kergoth | but thankfully gregkh plans on cleaning the situation up a bit |
| 23:38:58 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you remember when they switched VM in the 2.4 kernel? |
| 23:39:05 | kergoth | tux_mike: gah lemme think |
| 23:39:17 | tux_mike | like around .9 or .10, right? |
| 23:39:17 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: I know they switched once and the new one is horrid in some ways |
| 23:39:22 | kergoth | tux_mike: fuck no, i dont remember, i wasnt paying attention |
| 23:39:28 | kergoth | tux_mike: not then anyway |
| 23:39:39 | Neo|Work | the forced swapout of inactive processes despite lots of memory and no other need for the memory is what bugs me |
| 23:40:13 | cod | if you patch 2.4.19 with usbdnet-2.4.19-patch but still enable <USB Communication Class Ethernet device support (EXPERIMENTAL)> and <USB-to-USB Networking cable device support (EXPERIMENTAL)> your usb-dnet will still not work |
| 23:40:33 | tux_mike | i have never noticed anything like that |
| 23:40:35 | kergoth | cod: of course. |
| 23:40:40 | kergoth | cod: CDCEther grabs it first. |
| 23:40:45 | cod | yeah |
| 23:40:52 | kergoth | tux_mike: it was around 2.4.10. |
| 23:41:01 | Neo|Work | you have to rm the CDCEther module and rerun depmod |
| 23:41:02 | kergoth | tux_mike: (i'm glad i'm idling in #kernelnewbies) |
| 23:41:05 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe |
| 23:41:30 | tux_mike | great... i think i got a bum mouse |
| 23:41:59 | cod | damn, a Razer Boomslang 2k > tux _mike? |
| 23:42:42 | kergoth | I *need* a new keyboard with good tactile feel, any recommendations? |
| 23:42:44 | tux_mike | no, it's a logitech dual sensor mouseman. needed a new mouse |
| 23:42:50 | kergoth | this damn thing is slowing me down |
| 23:42:55 | tux_mike | it's jumping all over from time to time |
| 23:43:33 | cod | kergoth I sue for a whyle Microsft Natural Keyboard Pro and I'll never change it for 1000 other keyb models. This KB tells me that Microsoft should produce hardware not software |
| 23:43:48 | cod | MSNKPro is my recommandation ... |
| 23:43:55 | ljp_ | kergoth`gone: get a mind-meld input it works faster |
| 23:44:08 | kergoth | any recommendations that arent fancy curvy keyboards? I hate those |
| 23:44:11 | kergoth | ljp_: i wish... |
| 23:44:12 | tux_mike | cod: but not mice |
| 23:44:20 | tux_mike | the microsoft mice blow |
| 23:44:23 | cod | true > tux |
| 23:44:23 | ljp_ | ibm |
| 23:44:35 | ljp_ | I hate the curvey crap also |
| 23:44:35 | tux_mike | ibm made the best keyboard ever |
| 23:44:42 | tux_mike | i wish they would still make it :) |
| 23:44:52 | tux_mike | ljp: yah, i hate ergo keyboards too |
| 23:45:11 | ljp_ | whardier likes his happy hacker |
| 23:45:18 | tux_mike | that's what i got now |
| 23:45:36 | tux_mike | it's awesome, except for the lack of arrows |
| 23:46:24 | tux_mike | hmmm... i think it's time to throw redhat back on this box |
| 23:46:38 | tux_mike | bbiaf |
| 23:47:18 | kergoth | hmm, maybe i'll grab a happy hacker keyboard then |
| 23:48:51 | ljp_ | isnt a happy hacker smaller, and thus might be slower? |
| 23:49:47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth |
| 23:49:54 | TheMasterMind1 | /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 23:50:01 | TheMasterMind1 | the most descriptive error i've ever seen |
| 23:50:05 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:50:07 | kergoth | i *HATE* that |
| 23:50:07 | cod | sorry got2go now and sleeep, thanks again > ljp_ |
| 23:50:14 | TheMasterMind1 | its starting to piss me off |
| 23:50:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you forgot a \ on one of the .mk lines |
| 23:50:25 | ljp_ | sure |
| 23:50:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: remember everything within the Cmds variables is one line, with \ to escape it |
| 23:50:29 | DrXXXXwrk | does anyone have the sharpmobile cf cell card? wonder if it is any good? reception, battery life |
| 23:50:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 23:50:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok it works now |
| 23:53:23 | tux_mike | hrm... what the hell is trying to hit my system... |
| 23:57:10 | dlohin | I need to format my cf card |
| 23:57:29 | dlohin | to something both windows, linux and the zaurus read |
| 23:57:31 | alex1241551`4 | what the zaurus needs is a audio player with an EQ! |
| 23:57:45 | dlohin | I am at the my computer w/ linux |
| 23:57:49 | rikkus | dlohin: mkdosfs then |
| 23:57:54 | dlohin | what is the command |
| 23:59:07 | rikkus_ | alex1241551`4: I want to make an EQ, but don't have the maths knowledge to do it |
| 23:59:27 | rikkus_ | alex1241551`4: it needs an FFT, apparently. I found an integer FFT, but don't know how to use it to make an EQ. |
| 23:59:43 | alex1241551`4 | rikkus_: lol |
| 23:59:55 | rikkus_ | it's funny ? |
| 23:59:57 | alex1241551`4 | yeah an eq would be really nice. |
