| 00:03:10 | burtonator_ | why does linux think it can mount and ext2 fs as vfat? |
| 00:03:35 | burtonator_ | I totally screwed over my CF today by using the cf (ext2) while it was mounted as vfat |
| 00:06:16 | nasa | Does anyone know how to fix a 'bus error'? I am getting that when I try to run candycrucher |
| 00:08:04 | ljp | recompile |
| 00:08:19 | antigerg | lemme guess, 2.3.3 issue? |
| 00:08:31 | antigerg | ljp: lot of good that does with a closed source app :) |
| 00:08:51 | nasa | I was about to mention that.... |
| 00:09:44 | scanline | haha, silly closed source apps :) |
| 00:11:32 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:11:34 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 00:11:55 | TheMasterMind1 | burtonator_ change /etc/fstab |
| 00:12:33 | nasa | ?? |
| 00:13:46 | burtonator_ | http://slashdot.org/articles/02/09/02/1633223.shtml?tid=100 |
| 00:13:53 | burtonator_ | We have a sister Zaurus ;) |
| 00:14:20 | Fatbum | as of like months ago |
| 00:15:23 | darienm | old news burtonator |
| 00:15:49 | burtonator_ | yeah... but this has screenshots! ;) |
| 00:15:52 | Fatbum | the zaurus over there has a digi can in the back too |
| 00:15:56 | burtonator_ | that version of qtopia is that? |
| 00:16:19 | Fatbum | THEY HAVE A BLACK ZAURUS! |
| 00:16:24 | Fatbum | fuck man i want a black z |
| 00:16:47 | Fatbum | and grey and purple too?! |
| 00:16:49 | Fatbum | jeez |
| 00:16:55 | Fatbum | how come america gets all the crap |
| 00:17:22 | Fatbum | http://mobile.ezaurus.com/menu_grf/main_3.jpg |
| 00:18:10 | antigerg | Fatbum: because the zaurus sells well in japan |
| 00:18:23 | antigerg | if it starts selling here I bet we'd get the cool shit also |
| 00:18:32 | burtonator_ | I want to figure out what the difference between the two code bases is... |
| 00:18:38 | burtonator_ | that file manager looks cool! |
| 00:18:58 | Fatbum | ive done all i can do...within reason |
| 00:18:58 | antigerg | I'd put good money down that the next zaurus has that documents tab |
| 00:19:12 | Fatbum | it does have a documents tab.... |
| 00:19:25 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/helmet10.png |
| 00:19:26 | antigerg | Fatbum: well it just isnt profitable to release all the stuff here |
| 00:19:58 | Fatbum | any1 read japanese? |
| 00:20:23 | raster | chotto chotto |
| 00:20:36 | Fatbum | ??? |
| 00:20:36 | raster | put it thru babelfish |
| 00:20:54 | Fatbum | it do japan? |
| 00:21:39 | Fatbum | http://sl.ezaurus.com/index.html duuuuuude look at that thing |
| 00:23:32 | fusion94 | whardier: what are you using to do those images in ? |
| 00:23:54 | angry | fusion94: blender |
| 00:24:28 | ljp | whardier's getting artsy-fartsy |
| 00:26:02 | untorn | anyone get any good news from the zaurus challenge yet? |
| 00:26:22 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 00:27:10 | ljp | a few people have |
| 00:27:16 | Fatbum | fuckin awesome |
| 00:27:20 | Fatbum | waterproof z case |
| 00:27:43 | Fatbum | javascript:babelOrigWin(parent.BabelFishBody.babelOrigUrl) |
| 00:27:46 | Fatbum | hmm |
| 00:27:49 | Fatbum | that aint it |
| 00:28:08 | Fatbum | http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spacetown.ne.jp%2Fprokoubou%2Fproducts%2Faqua.html |
| 00:28:09 | Fatbum | there |
| 00:29:25 | KallDrexx | would a self adhesive screen protector be bad? |
| 00:29:32 | Fatbum | nah |
| 00:30:19 | KallDrexx | so if I bought some self adhesive transparency sheets those would be fine? |
| 00:30:31 | Fatbum | hmm transperancy |
| 00:30:48 | Fatbum | what kind of adhesive we talkin? |
| 00:31:06 | Fatbum | i guess really i meant no, and for you to buy self-staticclingy really |
| 00:31:07 | KallDrexx | err laminating sheets nto transparency |
| 00:31:17 | Fatbum | no thats prolly bad |
| 00:31:23 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 00:32:22 | KallDrexx | http://www.officedepot.com/shop/catalog/sku.asp?ID=953053&LEVEL=SK&SID=VL3FF8CQQUS12N6500A3HJ1LPF7K8T90 |
| 00:32:25 | KallDrexx | so that would be bad? |
| 00:32:44 | Fatbum | yea |
| 00:32:52 | Fatbum | most definitely |
| 00:33:23 | KallDrexx | hrm |
| 00:33:35 | KallDrexx | any idea on what I shoudl buy for a screen protector? |
| 00:34:05 | Fatbum | any1 know these japanese model numbers? |
| 00:34:10 | ljp | just put a condom over it |
| 00:34:15 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 00:34:18 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 00:34:28 | Fatbum | the japan m1-l1 is black :) |
| 00:34:44 | Fatbum | i would give a lung to get an anodized aluminum black z |
| 00:35:28 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 00:36:45 | Fatbum | the "sl-5000 and 5500" are mi series there |
| 00:36:54 | Fatbum | mi-e25dc has a digicam builtin |
| 00:37:28 | Fatbum | mi-e1 is the 5000d i think |
| 00:37:39 | Fatbum | then there are two "5500s" |
| 00:37:44 | Fatbum | one black and one silver |
| 00:40:19 | Fatbum | any1 want the a300 rom? |
| 00:40:23 | Fatbum | i do.... |
| 00:40:28 | Fatbum | i bet it wouldnt work very well |
| 00:40:44 | darienm | KallDrexx: Get the G2 screen protector from www.pdascreenprotectors.com |
| 00:40:51 | darienm | hell benmeyer |
| 00:40:56 | darienm | er, hellO |
| 00:41:25 | benmeyer | hello |
| 00:41:31 | benmeyer | got on slashdot |
| 00:41:41 | darienm | saw that, nice plug for buzzword bingo |
| 00:41:45 | benmeyer | haha |
| 00:41:49 | benmeyer | couldn't help it |
| 00:42:36 | darienm | got my first look at tkcRace and Strategic Assault yesterday (friend brought his Zaurus over) |
| 00:42:41 | darienm | SA is a SLICK game. |
| 00:42:47 | darienm | no comment on race. |
| 00:43:12 | Fatbum | listen to this great translation: |
| 00:43:12 | Fatbum | Being to use what it does the Q CPU? |
| 00:43:12 | Fatbum | The A Intel & the reg XScale TM (the PXA210 200MHz) you have used. |
| 00:43:25 | benmeyer | the race game was fun once or twice.... |
| 00:43:41 | darienm | mahjongg looked nice too |
| 00:45:18 | kcurrie_ | WTF. I cannot seem to start the openz flashing process. I've put the bootflag.txt initrd.bin zImage files on my card, and hold down c and d while pressing the full reset button. the mail and power lights come on a few seconds, but then I see nothing else. I have a 5500. Any ideas? Is the switch on the back supposed to be in the replce batt. position or normal operation position? any help would be MOST appreciated! |
| 00:46:01 | burtonator | is it plugged in? |
| 00:46:16 | kcurrie_ | Yes, it is plugged into power, and prior to doing anything the power led is on. |
| 00:46:24 | Fatbum | any1 have a zcase? |
| 00:46:33 | burtonator | C+D + push that button and that was it for me. |
| 00:46:41 | burtonator | The INSTALL has the URL to the instructioNs |
| 00:46:43 | burtonator | is the CF vfat? |
| 00:47:13 | kcurrie_ | Yeah, I read the INSTALL and the URL. Yeahm the cf is vfat, although maybe I should reverify.. one sec.. |
| 00:48:08 | kcurrie_ | Yup: /dev/sdd1 on /flash type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=kcurrie) |
| 00:48:23 | Fatbum | its gotta be a cf ccard |
| 00:48:28 | Fatbum | "yup" :-D |
| 00:48:29 | kcurrie_ | Yes, it's a cf card. |
| 00:49:14 | Fatbum | the switch is in the posish that its in when you take the battery cover off right? |
| 00:49:16 | kcurrie_ | after you press C+D and the reset button, are the leds supposed to stay on until the flash is complete? Or go right out? |
| 00:49:22 | Fatbum | stay on |
| 00:49:42 | kcurrie_ | Ok, let me make sure I try it again with the swith DOWN (i.e. in replace bat mode). |
| 00:50:06 | Fatbum | thats the one |
| 00:51:08 | kcurrie_ | ok, so I hold c+d down, press the reset button, the lights flash on for a second or 2, then go off. The unit is sitting there dark, without even the power led on now.. |
| 00:51:21 | ljp | and the cf has to be formatted as msdos, not ext2, nor fat32.. but fat |
| 00:51:30 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 00:51:30 | burtonator | ibot: kergoth |
| 00:51:37 | burtonator | ibot: help |
| 00:52:05 | kcurrie_ | it's vfat now, I'll be sure to reformat as just msdos. |
| 00:53:27 | burtonator | ne1 knoq kergoth's email? |
| 00:55:54 | kcurrie_ | Aha! reformatted my card (/sbin/mkfs.msdos /dev/sdd1), and that seemed to do the trick-- after pressing the key combo both leds are now on solid. thanks for the tips! |
| 00:56:10 | Fatbum | claps |
| 00:56:16 | Fatbum | its not worth the trouble |
| 00:56:51 | brucerob | how expensive are Secure Digital cards? I'm interested in the Z., but see that a wireless card would use up the CF slot. |
| 00:56:56 | darienm | burtonator |
| 00:57:01 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 00:57:01 | darienm | ibot kergoth |
| 00:57:03 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 00:57:03 | darienm | ibot kergoth |
| 00:57:06 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 00:57:06 | darienm | ibot kergoth |
| 00:57:16 | darienm | grr, kergoth@digitalnemesis.com |
| 00:57:29 | burtonator | thanks! |
| 00:57:36 | darienm | he used to have it in ibot |
| 00:57:42 | burtonator | hey... why the heck would /mnt/ram be full? I don't have anything on there! |
| 00:58:07 | darienm | which OS ? |
| 00:58:11 | darienm | er, which ROM |
| 00:58:12 | burtonator | OZ |
| 00:59:27 | darienm | which memory partition scheme did you use? |
| 00:59:45 | burtonator | 40/24 |
| 00:59:55 | Cloudchaser | mine got full really fast too |
| 01:00:16 | darienm | no idea, I put 40/24 on a Z last week, no problems |
| 01:00:30 | burtonator | I should probably just use 64 since I put everything on my SD |
| 01:00:32 | Cloudchaser | i have a bit on there...guess i just lost track of space |
| 01:00:46 | burtonator | damn! |
| 01:00:54 | burtonator | the OZ opie build is broken! |
| 01:01:28 | Fatbum | broken like a fox! |
| 01:01:57 | Fatbum | look at this crap |
| 01:01:58 | Fatbum | http://shop.brando.com.hk/cftopccardadapter.php |
| 01:02:38 | treke|home | crap? |
| 01:02:51 | Fatbum | 29.99 |
| 01:02:55 | Fatbum | :-D |
| 01:03:00 | burtonator | no shit! |
| 01:03:14 | burtonator | my card which goes the other way coSt $7 ;) |
| 01:03:21 | Fatbum | i found a cool way to use microdrives and not overheat |
| 01:03:30 | treke|home | true, but you can sell more that go the other way :) |
| 01:03:46 | Zxcvb | is the targus CF modem decent for the Z? |
| 01:04:03 | Fatbum | if you like 2Kbps |
| 01:04:09 | Fatbum | :-( |
| 01:04:11 | burtonator | I got the Ambicom 802.11b prism2 card at CompUSA for $80 today ;) |
| 01:04:13 | Fatbum | nah j/k i dont know |
| 01:04:24 | Fatbum | burtonator i got it for 65 w/shipping on eebay |
| 01:04:37 | burtonator | ebay doesn't count... cheating! |
| 01:04:38 | Fatbum | new |
| 01:05:07 | burtonator | I think we should probably break out OZ into stabie/testing/unstable |
| 01:05:19 | Fatbum | i think someone fuckin should |
| 01:05:20 | burtonator | even if there is just a time delay of a week between them. |
| 01:05:24 | Fatbum | so wed have oz that works |
| 01:05:26 | Fatbum | which one works |
| 01:05:31 | Fatbum | any? |
| 01:05:35 | burtonator | DON'T UPDATE OPIE! |
| 01:05:44 | burtonator | ... you will screw yourself |
| 01:05:49 | burtonator | GabeW! |
| 01:06:05 | Cloudchaser | yeah i have done it with 2 rounds of updates.. last one i only updated busybox, ipkg and oipkg |
| 01:06:12 | Cloudchaser | and oipkg is wonky but usable |
| 01:06:25 | GabeW | is screwed anyway |
| 01:06:34 | Fatbum | there opie binaries? |
| 01:06:57 | burtonator | Fatbum: don't install the OZ ones... unless yoU want to spend a day fixing your Z! |
| 01:07:09 | Fatbum | oz ones what? |
| 01:07:14 | Fatbum | dont install oz? |
| 01:07:17 | Fatbum | you mean? |
| 01:07:31 | burtonator | installing the oz base is ok cause it has old packages. |
| 01:07:37 | burtonator | just don't do an upgrade. |
| 01:08:04 | Fatbum | an upgrade as in what? |
| 01:08:08 | Fatbum | where would one do this upgrade? |
| 01:08:09 | GabeW | maybe thats what borked my zaurus |
| 01:08:12 | Fatbum | like reflash? |
| 01:08:40 | Cloudchaser | updates from feed |
| 01:08:45 | Cloudchaser | after reflash |
| 01:08:55 | Cloudchaser | of your installed opie packages |
| 01:08:59 | Fatbum | but the reflash sucks too |
| 01:09:13 | Fatbum | can we use 256mb sd cards? |
| 01:09:31 | Zxcvb | can you reflash even if a previous flash was interrupted? |
| 01:09:36 | burtonator | has one... |
| 01:09:51 | Fatbum | and it works burtonator |
| 01:10:40 | Fatbum | how much you pay burtonator? |
| 01:10:43 | burtonator | Fatbum: yeah... I think it works... |
| 01:10:47 | burtonator | $80 on buy.com |
| 01:10:50 | Fatbum | ! |
| 01:10:58 | GabeW | 256mb sd cards!!! |
| 01:11:05 | GabeW | I got 128m for $65 |
| 01:11:08 | burtonator | I was having some glitches that I thought were the CF but I am probably wrong. |
| 01:11:30 | Fatbum | any1 seen those sd wlan cards? ;-) |
| 01:11:32 | Fatbum | they're cool |
| 01:11:40 | GabeW | sd wlan?????? |
| 01:11:47 | Fatbum | yep |
| 01:11:52 | burtonator | there are some SD bluetooth cards coming out. |
| 01:11:53 | GabeW | urL? |
| 01:11:54 | saurus | url? |
| 01:11:57 | Fatbum | dude it says the 256ers are 140 |
| 01:12:35 | burtonator | must have been on sale. |
| 01:14:53 | angry | whardier: ping? |
| 01:15:10 | Fatbum | dude why wont zic work |
| 01:15:36 | Cloudchaser | i coudln't get it to work either |
| 01:16:00 | Fatbum | Cloudchaser what kind of connection? |
| 01:17:00 | Cloudchaser | what? |
| 01:17:14 | Cloudchaser | it wouldn't install |
| 01:17:18 | Fatbum | oh |
| 01:17:19 | Fatbum | in oz? |
| 01:17:24 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 01:17:37 | Fatbum | hrmm |
| 01:17:41 | Fatbum | i can run it |
| 01:17:43 | Fatbum | but cant connect |
| 01:17:49 | Fatbum | using usb-networking still |
| 01:17:50 | Fatbum | hrmm |
| 01:17:53 | Fatbum | i should stop that |
| 01:19:56 | Fatbum | a cf eth card worth 45? |
| 01:20:06 | Fatbum | 54 rather |
| 01:20:07 | Fatbum | ?? |
| 01:22:32 | Fatbum | yes/no |
| 01:22:34 | Fatbum | ech |
| 01:24:14 | Fatbum | can mmcs work in sd slots? |
| 01:24:22 | chouimat | Fatbum: yes |
| 01:24:35 | Fatbum | really? |
| 01:24:39 | Fatbum | in the z? |
| 01:24:41 | Fatbum | also? |
| 01:25:02 | chouimat | Fatbum: don't know but they're basically the same thing |
| 01:27:00 | Fatbum | so why dont i use mmcs? |
| 01:27:05 | Fatbum | they are cheaper |
| 01:27:13 | chouimat | Fatbum: don't know |
| 01:27:18 | Fatbum | z cant actually use copyrighting on sds neway |
| 01:27:26 | Fatbum | plus what the fuck do i need copyright prot for? |
| 01:27:43 | chouimat | Fatbum: hehe |
| 01:28:20 | antigerg | mmcs are smaller |
| 01:28:51 | chouimat | antigerg: they're the same size |
| 01:28:52 | Fatbum | the zzone howtos say they work |
| 01:29:14 | antigerg | chouimat: no mmc is smaller |
| 01:29:16 | antigerg | space wise |
| 01:29:33 | Fatbum | ah |
| 01:29:36 | Fatbum | thats true |
| 01:29:38 | Fatbum | and they are slower |
| 01:29:44 | chouimat | yes a lot |
| 01:30:58 | sauruz | hello from zic |
| 01:31:04 | chouimat | night all |
| 01:31:18 | Fatbum | saurus what connection you get zic to work thru? |
| 01:31:30 | sauruz | usb |
| 01:31:45 | Fatbum | no effin way |
| 01:31:46 | Fatbum | how? |
| 01:31:48 | sauruz | wireless died |
| 01:31:54 | Fatbum | it doesnt even try to connect on mine |
| 01:32:05 | Fatbum | howd you get it to work? |
| 01:32:09 | sauruz | had it on wireless too |
| 01:32:11 | Fatbum | what version? |
| 01:33:10 | saurus | says version 1 |
| 01:33:20 | Fatbum | im usin shitty .2 |
| 01:33:23 | Fatbum | 0.2 that is |
| 01:33:24 | Fatbum | hahaha |
| 01:33:52 | saurus | they upgraded the rom at linuxworld. |
| 01:34:06 | Fatbum | what? |
| 01:35:01 | Fatbum | saurus 0.1 or 1? |
| 01:35:08 | sauruz | 1 |
| 01:35:14 | Fatbum | can you send me it? |
| 01:35:23 | sauruz | dunno kow. |
| 01:35:27 | sauruz | dcc? |
| 01:35:47 | sauruz | now i am running vnc onto my laptop. |
| 01:35:48 | Fatbum | yes |
| 01:36:07 | sauruz | where does it hang out? |
| 01:36:51 | sauruz | cant ya get it a zaurus? |
| 01:37:07 | sauruz | i saw instructions on how to do it. |
| 01:37:19 | Fatbum | i just dled it today fromt he zauruszone feed |
| 01:37:20 | Fatbum | and its .2 |
| 01:38:46 | saurus | i go to applications system info and it shows Embedix plus Version 1. |
| 01:38:53 | saurus | 1.0 |
| 01:38:56 | Fatbum | im talkin about ZIC |
| 01:39:01 | saurus | oh |
| 01:39:05 | saurus | lemmee look |
| 01:39:26 | saurus | .2 |
| 01:39:38 | Fatbum | what have you done to get it to work? |
| 01:39:55 | saurus | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 01:39:56 | Fatbum | i have a connection to my desktop |
| 01:40:04 | Fatbum | i have an ethernet connection |
| 01:40:12 | Fatbum | linux or ms? |
| 01:40:20 | sauruz | you have forwarding rules on your desktop? |
| 01:41:01 | sauruz | iptables? |
| 01:41:23 | Fatbum | whats the windows equivelant |
| 01:41:33 | Fatbum | cuz im amidst crossing linux distros so im in windows |
| 01:41:43 | sauruz | dunno nuthing about that virus. |
| 01:41:46 | W|GGL|T | windows equivalent = hardware firewall |
| 01:41:56 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:42:06 | W|GGL|T | or that XP built-in firewall |
| 01:42:50 | Novas007 | the XP firewall i believe lets M$ traffic through by default, or so my XP-using friend told me |
| 01:42:51 | Fatbum | im behind my dhcp server /firewall |
| 01:43:02 | Fatbum | and then i have to proxy to the z |
| 01:43:06 | Fatbum | its one big shitstorm |
| 01:43:56 | sauruz | hmm. once it is connected to the z i type two short commands and away we go. |
| 01:44:30 | sauruz | so you cant surf either? |
| 01:44:50 | Fatbum | i can |
| 01:44:54 | Fatbum | thats what pisses me off |
| 01:44:54 | sauruz | hmmm |
| 01:45:35 | sauruz | so you are getting somewhere, or is the desktop proxieng this? |
| 01:45:43 | sauruz | can you ping google? |
| 01:45:48 | Fatbum | proxying what? |
| 01:45:55 | Fatbum | i can look at google, so same thing right? |
| 01:45:56 | sauruz | the web? |
| 01:46:01 | sauruz | no. |
| 01:46:10 | Fatbum | ok ok |
| 01:46:15 | sauruz | not if it is proxied. |
| 01:46:37 | Fatbum | so i need a nameserver |
| 01:47:14 | sauruz | for sure. |
| 01:47:24 | Fatbum | which would be? |
| 01:47:36 | sauruz | but you should be able to ping by ip without a nameserver |
| 01:47:49 | Fatbum | so i need the irc servers ip |
| 01:48:12 | sauruz | try 216.239.51.100 |
| 01:48:16 | sauruz | google |
| 01:48:56 | Fatbum | k |
| 01:49:22 | Fatbum | network unreachable |
| 01:49:30 | saurus | ok |
| 01:49:36 | saurus | no forwarding |
| 01:50:03 | Fatbum | should i "bridge" the connections? |
| 01:50:15 | sauruz | i dunno |
| 01:50:30 | sauruz | may be M$ word for it. |
| 01:50:37 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:50:39 | Fatbum | im sorry |
| 01:50:51 | Fatbum | im trying to download a new distro and its fuckin up halfway |
| 01:50:52 | Fatbum | shitty ftp |
| 01:50:53 | sauruz | no, I am sorry. |
| 01:55:41 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 01:56:43 | sauruz | shortage of memory. gotta go. |
| 01:58:53 | saurus | i am out sleepy |
| 02:08:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:11:45 | Eduardo | Hey guys: anyone know of some inexpensive CF modems for Zaurus? (Don't want to spend $85-100, more like $40-50). Thanks! |
| 02:14:09 | Eduardo | Geez, kinda quiet in here...wuz it something I said? |
| 02:14:27 | kergoth | just quiet tonight. |
| 02:14:47 | DaWorm | hey kergoth |
| 02:14:55 | Eduardo | 65 people must be doing something? |
| 02:14:55 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:14:58 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 02:15:05 | kergoth | Eduardo: most arent even here |
| 02:15:12 | kergoth | Eduardo: probably away from their computers, sleeping, or who knows what else |
| 02:15:24 | DaWorm | nothing much...just wondering if i have to flash to oz or not (still) |
| 02:15:33 | kergoth | hah, well you know my opinion.. ;-) |
| 02:15:54 | DaWorm | hehe..i bought a 128mb cf card |
| 02:16:04 | DaWorm | i should have bought sd instead |
| 02:16:04 | DaWorm | :( |
| 02:16:32 | fusion94 | well i'm still trying to figure out how to introduce a fork bomb into OpenZaurus |
| 02:16:48 | Cloudchaser | i'm still awake, barely |
| 02:17:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:17:11 | DaWorm | its almost lunch here |
| 02:17:37 | DaWorm | errmm |
| 02:17:39 | DaWorm | kergoth |
| 02:17:47 | DaWorm | is it possible to have 2 sroms on the cf card |
| 02:20:20 | DaWorm | holy |
| 02:20:27 | DaWorm | two towers is already on winmx |
| 02:20:45 | angry | kergoth: any word on a new documents tab in OPIE? :) |
| 02:23:50 | fusion94 | DaWorm: yeah... |
| 02:24:32 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 02:24:48 | Cloudchaser | i installed the linux rpm for qtopia desktop and it worked right off! |
| 02:25:58 | Cloudchaser | says its retrieving unknown opie stuff |
| 02:26:01 | KallDrexx | anyone have any idea why suddenly i'm getting a connection refused when trying to ftp to my Z? (4242 as port) |
| 02:26:41 | Cloudchaser | uh oh.. it didn't pull my contacts in |
| 02:28:20 | Cloudchaser | doesn't appear to like tkc address book |
| 02:29:33 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or something you give to cattle! |
| 02:29:33 | Cloudchaser | ibot feed |
| 02:30:02 | KallDrexx | wonders if 1.11 ROM can't do feeds |
| 02:32:48 | Cloudchaser | hmm i'm getting .desktop file collision errors |
| 02:33:21 | Cloudchaser | guess it doesn't work so well after all |
| 02:35:30 | ljp | tkc uses its own addressbook I believe |
| 02:36:53 | Cloudchaser | yes but it synched with windows |
| 02:37:29 | Cloudchaser | just doesn't with the new qtopia desktop for linux |
| 02:37:29 | Cloudchaser | did with the old version on linux though |
| 02:37:39 | Cloudchaser | although i never tried it with oz on linux |
| 02:37:47 | Cloudchaser | g'night kergoth |
| 02:39:18 | NeoTron | darn it |
| 02:39:29 | NeoTron | RocketElite is neither in the "new" software or "updated" software categories |
| 02:39:30 | NeoTron | how lame |
| 02:40:27 | aharbi | what is the best "feed" for Zaurus SW? |
| 02:41:26 | Cloudchaser | aww neotron.. at handango? |
| 02:41:38 | NeoTron | yes |
| 02:41:49 | NeoTron | I added the game but just activated it yesterday |
| 02:41:51 | NeoTron | oh well |
| 02:42:01 | aharbi | url please? |
| 02:43:32 | aharbi | used zauruszone/feed works pretty good, installed several pkgs today from it |
| 02:46:18 | Wembly | herm |
| 02:50:12 | Cloudchaser | yyay! |
| 02:50:18 | Cloudchaser | zic installed! |
| 02:52:14 | antigerg | hopes hes almost done |
| 02:52:44 | antigerg | I've somehow managed to rewrite almost every change I've made to vncviewer today :) |
| 02:56:53 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 02:56:53 | Wembly | ibot zsi |
| 03:03:34 | TheMasterMind1 | ā |
| 03:18:30 | Wembly | whered kergoth run off to? |
| 03:18:49 | antigerg | sleep |
| 03:22:55 | burtonator | why does the Zaurus lock when performing large IO operations. |
| 03:23:27 | burtonator | for example I am installing 'top' right now.. I have 3 ssh connections open but all my command freeze. |
| 03:23:58 | antigerg | Running OpenZaurus? |
| 03:24:39 | burtonator | yeah |
| 03:25:10 | antigerg | probably flash being slow then |
| 03:25:49 | burtonator | I can accept that but it shouldn't prohibit IO... |
| 03:26:04 | burtonator | for example 'dmesg' should return *right* away! |
| 03:26:34 | antigerg | burtonator: it would if it was taking a while to return from a system call |
| 03:27:00 | burtonator | hm... maybe.. ok. |
| 03:27:43 | burtonator | I wonder if we would benefit from low latency or O(N) patches. |
| 03:28:07 | antigerg | Doubt that would help that much. The preemp kernel patch would though |
| 03:29:03 | burtonator | yeah... that is what I was thinking. |
| 03:29:16 | burtonator | ... don't know if it is compatible though... this is 2.4.6 |
| 03:29:22 | burtonator | .. wait... yeah it is... |
| 03:29:25 | antigerg | bingo :) |
| 03:29:28 | cdm | 2.5.6 with 3 sets of patches. |
| 03:29:33 | antigerg | wait for 2.4.19 :) |
| 03:29:33 | cdm | 2.4.6 even. |
| 03:31:56 | burtonator | What i the deal with this. The OZ README says work is being done on 2.4.19 and that there might be additional power savings. |
| 03:32:39 | cdm | burtonator: have you looked at the changes to the linux kernel for the Z? |
| 03:32:43 | cdm | it is pretty horrid code. |
| 03:32:55 | cdm | kergoth is fixing it up to be nicer. |
| 03:33:07 | treke|home | burtonator: its taking kergoth time to update it |
| 03:33:09 | burtonator | that is what I assume... most code from "companies" is usually pretty shitty. |
| 03:33:58 | treke|home | plus he's updating to the to 2.5 first, then worrying about 2.4 |
| 03:34:16 | burtonator | I think that is crazy... 2.5... |
| 03:34:16 | burtonator | ug. |
| 03:34:26 | burtonator | Is there a technical reason for this? |
| 03:34:39 | burtonator | better to do the 2.5 port and backport the code? |
| 03:35:30 | cdm | burtonator: hardly. Code from companies that don't give a shit is shitty. I am always impressed with the system-level code we write. |
| 03:36:04 | burtonator | who is we? |
| 03:36:11 | cdm | QNX |
| 03:36:22 | burtonator | I am not claiming an absolute... |
| 03:36:24 | burtonator | oh. |
| 03:36:26 | burtonator | think 80% |
| 03:36:31 | cdm | oh sure. |
| 03:36:33 | cdm | it is very true. |
| 03:36:40 | cdm | most code I have read sucks terribly. |
| 03:36:57 | cdm | But the code lineo did for the Z is worse then most. |
| 03:37:10 | cdm | given that I am generally not impressed with much of the linux kernel. |
| 03:37:46 | burtonator | I haven't heard many good things about lineo |
| 03:38:01 | burtonator | ... but it is GPL so at least we are stuck with OPEN shitty code rather than CLOSED shitty coDe... |
| 03:38:07 | cdm | hahaha...fair |
| 03:38:22 | cdm | although I am trying to document the internals based on that code - makes it tough. |
| 03:38:41 | burtonator | I think I am going to build a OpenZaurus 'stable' feed tonight. |
| 03:38:48 | burtonator | The current OZ feed is too unstable! |
| 03:39:14 | burtonator | ... and revert back to opie and stuff from 9-29... |
| 03:42:55 | treke|home | why rever to 9-29? just rebuild against qt 2.3.2 an you should be fine |
| 03:44:54 | burtonator | the opie-base package is busted. |
| 03:45:09 | treke|home | how so? |
| 03:45:23 | burtonator | "Unknown processor type" |
| 03:45:23 | burtonator | and |
| 03:45:42 | burtonator | oh... that is it... |
| 03:46:00 | treke|home | Unknown processor type? sounds like a miscompile. Just build a new opie-base |
| 03:46:04 | burtonator | but I revert to the last opie and I get a 'bus error' which I think has to do with library isues. |
| 03:46:42 | treke|home | well the current opie uses a different qt then the last opie |
| 03:50:29 | burtonator | then I think I will probably have to either rebuild the opie-base or revert back everything +qt |
| 03:50:45 | burtonator | are there source packages? |
| 03:50:51 | treke|home | just rebuild opie |
| 03:51:02 | treke|home | no. just download the cvs and compile it |
| 03:51:21 | burtonator | are there package build scripts? |
| 03:51:39 | treke|home | just follow the instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 03:51:50 | darienm | http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/images/towercam.jpg |
| 03:52:04 | darienm | The Mt. Wilson Observatory in California just happens to be catching the raging forest fire |
| 03:52:08 | darienm | webcam, that is. |
| 03:52:57 | treke|home | impressive |
| 03:53:07 | darienm | the image refreshes every 2mins. |
| 03:53:11 | darienm | http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-02-wildfire_x.htm |
| 04:00:16 | GabeW | hey, I have a plain old (non OZ) zaurus and I installed something which caused /home/etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf to turn off DHCPS (to no) and DHCPC (to yes).. which borked thigns (many other things ar borked - may have to do a hard reset).. what did I do? |
| 04:02:05 | burtonator | you can't boot or something? |
| 04:02:27 | akk | I have a new qt app, which runs okay but I don't see window decorations (so no "x" to kill it) and no icon shows up in the taskbar while it's running. |
| 04:02:33 | akk | Does that point to anything specific that I forgot to do? |
| 04:03:00 | GabeW | burtonator: well, I can boot - but no network through the usb uyntil I changed that |
| 04:03:14 | GabeW | also, I notice that icons on the bottom task bar thingie never go away |
| 04:03:46 | GabeW | AND the keyboard/pickboard/handwriting recog always input double (ie aabbcc) |
| 04:03:54 | GabeW | i mean, I must have done something wierd |
| 04:04:51 | GabeW | oh, and qtopia-desktop doesn't find the zaurus.. |
| 04:31:30 | Speedy2 | re |
| 04:35:43 | cdm | been a while Speedy2 |
| 04:35:48 | Speedy2 | Hi Chris |
| 05:08:15 | NeoTron | I'd be damned, the A300 display is not rotated at all. |
| 05:08:40 | treke|home | NeoTron: like the 3800? |
| 05:08:43 | NeoTron | nop |
| 05:08:47 | treke|home | eh? |
| 05:08:51 | NeoTron | the 3800 is rotated 90 degrees |
| 05:08:56 | treke|home | the framebuffer is in a portrait orientation?! |
| 05:09:04 | NeoTron | it seems like it.. |
| 05:09:20 | treke|home | they love making this stuff hard on you, dont they? |
| 05:09:47 | DaWorm | hehhee |
| 05:10:03 | DaWorm | just think of the Yens coming in soon |
| 05:10:17 | Speedy2 | Do you have an A300 / 3800 ? |
| 05:12:45 | Wembly | wtf is the 3800? |
| 05:12:52 | Speedy2 | iPaq I'm guessing |
| 05:12:56 | treke|home | Wembly: ipaq 3800 |
| 05:12:57 | Wembly | oh |
| 05:16:35 | cdm | interesting that someone made a good portrait LCD. |
| 05:18:42 | Speedy2 | cdm: Did you see my last /msg ? |
| 05:52:59 | mod | helo |
| 05:53:12 | Speedy2 | helo 2 u |
| 05:55:37 | Speedy2 | Later all |
| 06:13:55 | NeoTron | news of the day: QDirectPainter is quite fast on zero-rotated displays. :P |
| 06:15:32 | cdm | ;) |
| 06:16:15 | treke|home | hehe |
| 06:18:18 | NeoTron | s/QDirectPainter/QPainter.drawImage()/ even |
| 06:18:21 | NeoTron | like doh |
| 06:18:52 | cdm | NeoTron: yeah, I figured. Basically it gets to act like a direct painter since it doesn't have to rotate. |
| 06:18:55 | NeoTron | SA that I just release uses that for the A300 |
| 06:19:18 | NeoTron | I just made it use memcpy (every bogomips saved is a good bogomips) |
| 06:19:34 | NeoTron | and I just fixed Candy Cruncher so it correctly uses dirty rects in rotation 0 |
| 06:19:49 | NeoTron | and I realized I will not be fixing SDL drawing for A300 today. :P |
| 06:19:55 | NeoTron | that is, rotated drawing |
| 06:20:54 | treke|home | NeoTron: might that help make RE playable? |
| 06:20:57 | NeoTron | this makes me so happy. I now have to support three different rotations. :-P |
| 06:21:08 | NeoTron | nah, re already uses rotation 0 correctly |
| 06:21:19 | treke|home | well might as well support 4 now :) |
| 06:22:39 | Wembly | neotron: why shouldnt you support 4 differnt rotations anyhow? |
| 06:23:01 | NeoTron | Wembly: there is no device that uses 180 degree rotated FB that I know of |
| 06:23:23 | Wembly | *shrug* |
| 06:23:32 | Wembly | yet ;) |
| 06:23:44 | NeoTron | when / if there is one, I'll support it |
| 06:23:45 | treke|home | who wants to be the vercel will :) |
| 06:23:55 | NeoTron | unnecessary to spend time on it at this poitn |
| 06:24:03 | Wembly | i guess |
| 06:24:04 | treke|home | s/be/bet/ |
| 06:24:09 | NeoTron | and the vercel have all kinds of different more complicated issues like resolution |
| 06:24:11 | Wembly | tho if you were to write something from scratch you probly should. |
| 06:24:15 | burtonator | so it looks like OZ konq and other packages were compiled against the old QTE 3.2.2 but the latest is 3.2.3 so they segfault... |
| 06:24:19 | Wembly | vercel? |
| 06:24:43 | Wembly | burtonator: joyish |
| 06:24:43 | NeoTron | well, sure. 2Dream (engine used by Bust'em and MSR) handles any rotation |
| 06:24:49 | treke|home | burtonator: been fixed |
| 06:24:56 | treke|home | burtonator: read te mailing list |
| 06:24:57 | Wembly | any rotation? |
| 06:25:04 | Wembly | like 45d? |
| 06:25:08 | NeoTron | uh |
| 06:25:11 | burtonator | what ml? |
| 06:25:15 | NeoTron | any rotation of the framebuffer naturally |
| 06:25:23 | burtonator | kicks himself :( |
| 06:26:55 | burtonator | what mailing list??? |
| 06:27:10 | burtonator | I don't see anyting... |
| 06:27:48 | treke|home | the opie mailing list. http://handhelds.org/email_lists.html |
| 06:29:01 | Wembly | neotron: ahh |
| 06:29:24 | Wembly | neotron: you never know some device might come along where its advantagous to hold it upside down :) |
| 06:31:44 | treke|home | it could be handy for someone whos left handed |
| 06:32:00 | NeoTron | ouch |
| 06:32:14 | NeoTron | I broke sound fx loading in Strategic Assault, probably in version 1.8.4 |
| 06:33:24 | burtonator | you know which one? There is like 100 there ;) |
| 06:33:36 | treke|home | burtonator: the one labeled opie... |
| 06:37:05 | burtonator | ok... I see the announcement but it isn't in the feed! |
| 06:37:38 | burtonator | which one... http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/* or somewhere else? |
| 06:39:01 | antigerg | http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ |
| 06:39:25 | particule | Hi! |
| 06:40:52 | burtonator | antigerg: where did you find that URL?... and that obviously isn't for the ipaq? |
| 06:41:22 | antigerg | burtonator: Thats the official opie feed. And Konqueror is Konqueror |
| 06:41:32 | antigerg | itll work on an ipaq or a zaurus |
| 06:42:08 | burtonator | I was just thinking that.. |
| 06:43:24 | burtonator | ok... it just dawned on me that they were both arm and I guess there shouldn't be any packaging issues. |
| 06:43:56 | antigerg | there are issues, they just shouldnt affect konqueror |
| 06:44:06 | antigerg | you cant just use the ipaq feed on a zaurus |
| 06:44:26 | antigerg | konqueror should work fine though |
| 06:48:42 | burtonator | this is BS |
| 06:48:45 | burtonator | that segfaults toO! |
| 06:48:59 | burtonator | this is really professional develoPment! |
| 06:49:29 | antigerg | deal with it. Its development code |
| 06:53:23 | burtonator | it doesn't need to be this way... |
| 06:53:28 | burtonator | we need an OZ stable feed. |
| 06:54:11 | antigerg | just dont upgrade OZ when it works |
| 06:54:24 | burtonator | that was the problem... I was having issues... |
| 06:54:39 | burtonator | so it is nice to try to upgrade to something that people say is stable. |
| 06:54:54 | antigerg | well OPIE isnt stable yet. |
| 06:55:31 | antigerg | there will be a stable release when its ready |
| 06:55:38 | burtonator | that isn't a big deal... you have a stable feed that isn't updated often. |
| 06:55:57 | antigerg | that isnt a stable feed |
| 06:56:01 | antigerg | its just a stale feed |
| 06:56:11 | burtonator | I know this is crazy... but maybe it would be a good idea to have a feed that yoU can install without packages segafaulting |
| 06:56:29 | burtonator | call me crazy... |
| 06:57:54 | antigerg | the only difference between the old handhelds.org feed and the opie.info feed is that the handhelds.org feed is only updated when someone thinks to do it. There may still be major bugs in it |
| 06:58:52 | antigerg | if you take konqueror out of the feed, everything will install :) |
| 07:00:42 | George- | hi |
| 07:03:30 | cdm | hey George- |
| 07:03:44 | George- | yo cdm |
| 07:07:05 | burtonator | great... still segfaults! |
| 07:07:21 | burtonator | what is /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/fontfactories? |
| 07:13:18 | George- | dunno |
| 07:49:41 | George- | I wish ipkg could be a bit more verbose |
| 08:07:31 | George- | what's the URL for the ZaurusZone feed? |
| 08:07:34 | | it has been said that feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 08:07:34 | George- | ibot feeds? |
| 08:07:39 | | rumour has it feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or something you give to cattle |
| 08:07:39 | George- | ibot feed |
| 08:11:13 | burtonator | is ldd provided in any packages? |
| 08:12:45 | George- | try ipkgfind? |
| 08:12:54 | | i heard ipkgfind was at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org or at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 08:12:54 | George- | ibot ipkgfind? |
| 08:13:41 | | George-: sorry... |
| 08:13:41 | George- | ibot jeodecreator |
| 08:13:52 | George- | stupid bot |
| 08:13:57 | George- | =P |
| 08:17:11 | George- | computer went into panic mode :( |
| 08:17:33 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 08:17:33 | George- | ibot logs? |
| 08:19:33 | George- | thx ibot |
| 08:23:20 | George- | afk |
| 08:26:53 | imm | hi |
| 08:30:20 | imm | Sugar make me a coffee |
| 08:30:21 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to imm. |
| 08:30:31 | imm | Sugar thanks |
| 08:30:33 | Sugar | Imm: You're welcome! |
| 08:30:49 | imm | Sugar: can i have another one ? |
| 08:31:07 | imm | Sugar make me two coffees |
| 08:31:07 | Sugar | pours some two coffees from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to imm. |
| 08:31:26 | imm | Sugar help |
| 08:31:27 | Sugar | I'm Sugar, an interactive Pike bot. These modules are currently loaded: babelfish, beer, cyborg, dice, drinks, fortune, google, quote, seen and talk. To get module specific help, type: help <modulename> |
| 08:31:50 | imm | Sugar google sex |
| 08:32:18 | imm | Sugar talk |
| 08:32:35 | imm | Sugar fortune |
| 08:32:35 | Sugar | imm: Pain is a thing of the mind. The mind can be controlled. -- Spock, "Operation -- Annihilate!" stardate 3287.2 |
| 08:32:46 | imm | Sugar fortune |
| 08:32:47 | Sugar | imm: Sic transit gloria mundi. [So passes away the glory of this world.] -- Thomas `a Kempis |
| 08:32:53 | imm | Sugar fortune |
| 08:32:53 | Sugar | imm: The world is coming to an end--save your buffers! |
| 08:33:00 | imm | :) |
| 08:34:23 | imm | Sugar dice |
| 08:34:23 | Sugar | rolls one die, D6 = 6. |
| 08:34:40 | imm | is happy ! |
| 08:34:51 | imm | Sugar cyborg |
| 08:34:59 | imm | Sugar cyborg imm |
| 08:35:00 | Sugar | imm: <B>I.M.M.: Intelligent Mechanical Machine</B> |
| 08:35:17 | imm | Sugar cyborg George- |
| 08:35:18 | Sugar | imm: <B>G.E.O.R.G.E.: General Entity Optimized for Repair and Galactic Exploration</B> |
| 08:35:30 | imm | Sugar cyborg MarkNovak |
| 08:35:30 | Sugar | imm: Correct syntax is: cyborg name(2-7 chars long) |
| 08:35:42 | imm | Sugar cyborg Sniper |
| 08:35:42 | Sugar | imm: <B>S.N.I.P.E.R.: Synthetic Networked Individual Programmed for Exploration and Repair</B> |
| 08:35:48 | imm | Sugar cyborg imm |
| 08:35:49 | Sugar | imm: <B>I.M.M.: Intelligent Mechanical Machine</B> |
| 08:36:17 | imm | Sugar babelfish sfdfd |
| 08:36:17 | Sugar | imm: Syntax: translate FROM to TO [words...] |
| 08:36:37 | imm | Sugar translate ENG to DE hallo |
| 08:36:37 | Sugar | imm: Valid language combinations are: German to English (de to en), German to French (de to fr), English to German (en to de), English to Spanish (en to es), English to French (en to fr), English to Italian (en to it), English to Japanese (en to ja), English to Korean (en to ko), English to Portuguese (en to pt), English to Chinese (en to zh), Spanish to English (es to en), French to German (fr to de), French to English (fr to en), Italian to English (it to e |
| 08:37:04 | imm | Sugar translate de to en Ich will meinen Zaurus ! |
| 08:37:14 | Sugar | imm: Something didn't work right in the translation. |
| 08:37:30 | imm | Sugar translate de to en Hallo Welt |
| 08:37:30 | Sugar | imm: Something didn't work right in the translation. |
| 08:37:46 | imm | Sugar beer |
| 08:37:56 | imm | Sugar beer ddfdf |
| 08:38:17 | imm | Sugar help beer |
| 08:38:17 | Sugar | A module that allows for giving/getting various things like beer, grenades, trouts etc. There are a number of different syntaxes with magic and often weird, incorrect parsing. Syntax examples: |
| 08:38:17 | Sugar | Can you give me a beer? Could you get a large trout? Give a hand grenade to <someone>. Get some coffee. One Bellheimer please. Make me a milkshake. spank <someone> |
| 08:39:24 | imm | Sugar spank imm |
| 08:39:24 | Sugar | gives imm a good spanking. |
| 08:39:49 | George- | lol |
| 08:39:54 | George- | imm: you're a sick person |
| 08:39:58 | imm | Sugar help quote |
| 08:39:59 | Sugar | Get a real time stock quote from Yahoo. Syntax: quote <ticker> |
| 08:40:11 | George- | Sugar quote IBM |
| 08:40:12 | Sugar | George-: IBM @ aug 30: 75.38 (-1.24 -1.62%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 08:40:24 | George- | wow. |
| 08:40:26 | DaWorm | Sugar quote SUNW |
| 08:40:27 | Sugar | DaWorm: SUNW @ aug 30: 3.69 (-0.14 -3.66%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 08:40:28 | imm | Sugar quote RHT |
| 08:40:28 | Sugar | imm: Invalid ticker symbol RHT. |
| 08:40:38 | DaWorm | Sugar quote RHAT |
| 08:40:39 | Sugar | DaWorm: RHAT @ aug 30: 4.75 (-0.23 -4.62%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 08:40:48 | DaWorm | Sugar quote CSCO |
| 08:40:50 | Sugar | DaWorm: CSCO @ aug 30: 13.82 (-0.38 -2.68%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 08:40:56 | imm | Sugar quote GENTOO :) |
| 08:40:56 | Sugar | imm: Please only use a-z,A-Z in the stock ticker symbol. |
| 08:41:20 | George- | sugar quote gentoo |
| 08:41:20 | Sugar | George-: Invalid ticker symbol GENTOO. |
| 08:41:26 | George- | sugar quote myass |
| 08:41:26 | Sugar | George-: Invalid ticker symbol MYASS. |
| 08:41:30 | George- | sugar quote ass |
| 08:41:30 | Sugar | George-: Invalid ticker symbol ASS. |
| 08:41:38 | imm | Sugar quote MarkNovak |
| 08:41:38 | Sugar | imm: Invalid ticker symbol MARKNOVAK. |
| 08:41:38 | George- | sugar quote suse |
| 08:41:38 | Sugar | George-: Invalid ticker symbol SUSE. |
| 08:41:46 | George- | imm: Don't.. ever mention that name |
| 08:42:05 | George- | Sugar: quote ibot |
| 08:42:05 | Sugar | George-: Invalid ticker symbol IBOT. |
| 08:42:43 | imm | Sugar quote SHARP |
| 08:42:43 | Sugar | imm: Invalid ticker symbol SHARP. |
| 08:42:47 | imm | Sugar quote SHRP |
| 08:42:48 | Sugar | imm: SHRP @ aug 30: 18.02 (+0.95 +5.57%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 08:43:09 | imm | wow, they sold a lot of Zs today ! |
| 08:43:11 | George- | sugar quote ibot |
| 08:43:11 | Sugar | George-: Invalid ticker symbol IBOT. |
| 08:43:17 | George- | yay |
| 08:43:21 | George- | Let's have some BOT FUN |
| 08:43:25 | Wembly | imm: herm? |
| 08:43:31 | | sugar quote ibot |
| 08:43:31 | George- | ibot invalid ticker symbol ibot |
| 08:43:31 | imm | Sugar: botsnack |
| 08:43:31 | | Sorry, Sugar, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 08:43:31 | Sugar | ibot: shut up |
| 08:43:43 | George- | crap |
| 08:44:04 | George- | someone "fixed" it |
| 08:44:08 | imm | Sugar: botsnack |
| 08:44:24 | imm | ? |
| 08:44:54 | | thanks imm :) |
| 08:44:54 | imm | ibot: botsnack |
| 08:45:23 | Wembly | nini! |
| 08:46:38 | | die is, like, DADO, DADO, DADO |
| 08:46:38 | George- | ibot die |
| 08:46:48 | George- | Everyone, we must team up against the bots! |
| 08:46:58 | George- | All ibot haters, follow me!! |
| 08:47:03 | | imm: what? |
| 08:47:03 | imm | ibot: kill Sugar |
| 08:47:18 | | Sugar is nothing but a weedy thimbleful of surly cold sores. |
| 08:47:18 | imm | ibot: insult Sugar |
| 08:48:02 | imm | Sugar cyborg ibot |
| 08:48:03 | Sugar | imm: <B>I.B.O.T.: Intelligent Being Optimized for Troubleshooting</B> |
| 08:48:33 | George- | rotlf |
| 08:48:35 | George- | rotfl |
| 08:50:58 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 18 hours, 3 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: have you been playing today [Mon Sep 2 15:47:34 2002] |
| 08:50:58 | imm | ibot seen Sniper |
| 08:56:01 | | Test Successful! |
| 08:56:01 | George- | ibot test |
| 08:56:11 | George- | God |
| 08:56:15 | George- | good |
| 08:59:08 | George- | strange |
| 09:17:42 | George | anyone else here noticed that medium mount stuffs up the background? |
| 09:18:22 | | bzdougy was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 6 hours, 55 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: and ignore pat [Mon Sep 2 03:22:49 2002] |
| 09:18:22 | George | ibot seen bzdougy |
| 09:19:54 | EditorGarfield | Who all is awake at this bizarre hour? :-) |
| 09:21:10 | George | me |
| 09:21:23 | George | how is 11:27 in the morning bizarre? |
| 09:21:32 | George | ;) |
| 09:22:16 | EditorGarfield | :P |
| 09:22:26 | EditorGarfield | You wouldn't happen to be running OZ, would you? |
| 09:22:29 | George | yeh |
| 09:22:31 | George | Of course ;) |
| 09:22:54 | George | if u expect me to run the sharp rom... =) |
| 09:23:23 | EditorGarfield | Ah good. Any chance you could offer a guess as to why my mtd drive is suddenly full, when all I'm doing is ipkg upgrading? |
| 09:23:33 | EditorGarfield | lol. Yeah, point taken. :-) |
| 09:23:41 | EditorGarfield | has a 5000d, so it's OZ or Flinders. |
| 09:23:46 | George | hrmm |
| 09:23:49 | George | I dunno |
| 09:23:54 | George | I have a 5000D too |
| 09:23:54 | George | ;) |
| 09:24:29 | George | I just did ipkg upgrade, nothing bad happened =P |
| 09:24:36 | George | I still have 2.5MB free on / |
| 09:24:42 | EditorGarfield | grrr... |
| 09:24:48 | EditorGarfield | I hate it when it loses track of such things. |
| 09:25:23 | George | gtg |
| 09:30:18 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:30:21 | DaWorm | hey Gar |
| 09:30:27 | DaWorm | still awake? |
| 09:30:31 | DaWorm | i'm almost about to go home here |
| 09:30:34 | DaWorm | hehhe |
| 09:30:45 | EditorGarfield | Hi. |
| 09:30:49 | angry | GAH i hate school |
| 09:30:51 | EditorGarfield | I'm pondering what is wrong with my OZ. |
| 09:31:02 | EditorGarfield | angry: Everyone does, especially the teachers. :-) |
| 09:31:06 | angry | i'll see you in about 7 hours |
| 09:31:06 | angry | ;) |
| 09:31:12 | DaWorm | oh well, me too |
| 09:31:15 | DaWorm | its past 7pm now |
| 09:31:18 | DaWorm | gotta go home |
| 09:31:36 | angry | its 7:37 AM here |
| 09:31:42 | angry | *6:37 |
| 09:31:49 | angry | is away: GAH i hate school |
| 09:51:32 | George- | lalala |
| 09:58:28 | imm | lululu |
| 10:11:23 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 19 hours, 23 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: have you been playing today [Mon Sep 2 15:47:34 2002] |
| 10:11:23 | imm | ibot seen Sniper |
| 10:24:14 | nchip | Any ideas on how to get a zaurus to finland <g> |
| 10:24:51 | nchip | all the web sites selling limit sales to inside US |
| 10:28:11 | particule | nchip: no. |
| 10:28:36 | particule | If you leave in Finland, you should not buy it in the US. |
| 10:28:47 | particule | nchip: you can look in UK or, easier, in Germany. |
| 10:28:48 | nchip | Japan? |
| 10:28:57 | particule | I bought mine on www.linuxland.de |
| 10:29:04 | nchip | I didn't see any reseller in EU |
| 10:29:06 | nchip | oh |
| 10:29:08 | nchip | thanks |
| 10:29:12 | particule | Why do you want to buy that that far? |
| 10:29:20 | particule | nchip: there are lots of resellers |
| 10:29:30 | particule | do a google search on www.google.de |
| 10:29:38 | nchip | particule: I thought there where no resellers in EU |
| 10:29:51 | particule | nchip: Z is sold in Germany and UK. |
| 10:30:03 | particule | Beware that the SL5500G has a german keyboard |
| 10:30:11 | particule | But you can flash it with english roms. |
| 10:48:19 | Harlekin | huhu |
| 10:48:27 | Harlekin | anybody using tckjabber here? |
| 10:48:33 | deathmint | me |
| 10:49:31 | Harlekin | deathmint: could you give me a) ipk filesystem b) installed size c) included files |
| 10:49:52 | erikd | bleh |
| 10:50:02 | erikd | i'm having some major troubles with my box =/ |
| 10:50:05 | erikd | the hd is dying |
| 10:51:16 | erikd | actually, the hd is pretty much already dead |
| 10:52:04 | deathmint | tkc apps all require the tkc lib ipk which is 446k |
| 10:52:30 | Harlekin | deathmint: without that |
| 10:52:35 | deathmint | and tkcjabber ipk is 284k |
| 10:52:37 | Harlekin | deathmint: just the stuff in tckjabber |
| 10:52:46 | Harlekin | ah |
| 10:52:49 | Harlekin | deathmint: files included are? |
| 10:53:25 | deathmint | haven't checked it |
| 10:54:26 | Harlekin | deathmint: just unpack the ipk |
| 10:54:27 | Harlekin | .) |
| 10:56:07 | deathmint | dont have it loose on my z |
| 11:00:09 | DrBoB | what would you say that the Z's performance is equivalent to; in therms of a x85 processor? |
| 11:00:17 | DrBoB | terms of |
| 11:00:27 | DrBoB | x86 |
| 11:00:59 | DrBoB | *drinks another gulp of coffee* must wake up! |
| 11:02:33 | DrBoB | 486? or P75? |
| 11:04:01 | imm | DrBoB: i think more P75 |
| 11:11:31 | Harlekin | DrBoB: p 300 |
| 11:11:33 | DrBoB | imm: Yep, I would agree...it's hard to compare... |
| 11:13:11 | Harlekin | DrBoB: als long as you do not use floating point stuff |
| 11:13:15 | Harlekin | its faster then a pentium 200 |
| 11:13:22 | Harlekin | for most "normal" stuff |
| 11:13:32 | DrBoB | Harlekin: the Z is slower than that.... Doom runs pretty slow on the Z |
| 11:13:52 | Harlekin | DrBoB: depends how the doom version is done |
| 11:13:57 | Harlekin | divx run faster for example |
| 11:13:57 | imm | DrBoB: i think Doom has floating points all over |
| 11:22:01 | Harlekin | anymody else with tckjabber here? |
| 11:26:20 | tux_mike | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/26910.html if this happens, i kill. |
| 11:46:22 | tux_mike | anyone here? |
| 11:51:33 | imm | yup |
| 11:53:51 | tux_mike | never mind. a google search answered my question :) |
| 11:58:19 | benmeyerh | Morning |
| 11:58:20 | benmeyerh | gla |
| 11:58:26 | benmeyerh | too morning |
| 11:58:37 | benmeyerh | needs coffee |
| 11:59:19 | tux_mike | i need an xbox now |
| 11:59:30 | tux_mike | only one reason. xmame xbox |
| 11:59:38 | rikkus | what's wrong with xmame-linux ? |
| 11:59:43 | rikkus | er, xmame-linux-your-pc |
| 12:00:01 | tux_mike | well, i can play arcade games at 54" with the xbox :) |
| 12:00:06 | rikkus | hehe |
| 12:00:16 | rikkus | sit closer to the monitor :P |
| 12:05:33 | tux_mike | bah |
| 12:07:53 | VerxHome | tux_mike: If tux racer only runs at 1 fps |
| 12:08:00 | VerxHome | why would you wanna do xmame on it? |
| 12:11:49 | imm | benmeyerh: hi |
| 12:12:22 | tux_mike | only one frame per second... |
| 12:12:23 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 12:12:25 | benmeyerh | hi |
| 12:12:27 | tux_mike | fsck that :) |
| 12:23:14 | tux_mike | hrm... i just borked my desktop |
| 12:24:47 | numatrix | that's not good |
| 12:32:49 | imm | numatrix: hi |
| 12:33:50 | imm | numatrix: do you have some webalizer on your server ? |
| 12:42:36 | tux_mike | i wonder what i did to fsck up my system... i was trying to strip the files that redhat left unstirped |
| 12:48:22 | chayim | morning all |
| 12:52:31 | kolla | anyone with clue on Socket Communication low power wlan? |
| 12:52:46 | VerxWork | kolla: I would recommend you look at ambicom |
| 12:52:50 | VerxWork | lower power than socket |
| 12:52:53 | VerxWork | and a LOT less money |
| 12:53:02 | kolla | ok? url? :) |
| 12:53:08 | VerxWork | sec |
| 12:53:59 | VerxWork | http://www.pcstop.com/product_detail.asp?ProdID=480975 |
| 12:54:05 | VerxWork | $90 |
| 12:54:11 | VerxWork | I haven't looked super hard |
| 12:54:16 | VerxWork | that was the first price I found |
| 12:54:30 | kolla | ah, but it has this big head like the d-link card |
| 12:54:42 | VerxWork | BUT |
| 12:54:50 | VerxWork | the larger head can VERY easily be shaved |
| 12:54:51 | kolla | meaning you cannot use it with headphones or get out/in the stylus |
| 12:54:55 | VerxWork | the antenna is quite small |
| 12:55:01 | VerxWork | so people just use an exacto knife |
| 12:55:08 | VerxWork | and they get full access to everything |
| 12:55:10 | VerxWork | for $90 |
| 12:55:18 | VerxWork | it only uses 17mA at standby |
| 12:55:21 | VerxWork | the socket uses 20mA |
| 12:55:43 | kolla | who cars about standby? I want to use it :) |
| 12:55:52 | VerxWork | when you are using it |
| 12:55:55 | VerxWork | it is in standby |
| 12:55:56 | kolla | :) |
| 12:56:12 | VerxWork | any moment during which you are not ACTIVELY transmitting/receiving |
| 12:56:15 | VerxWork | it is in standby |
| 12:56:21 | VerxWork | which, as it turns out, is most of the time |
| 12:56:29 | VerxWork | so even if you are using it |
| 12:57:36 | kolla | retail price is still $119.95 |
| 12:57:37 | chayim | . |
| 12:57:51 | chayim | kolla: I paid less than $100 for my smc2642w |
| 12:58:01 | kolla | mm |
| 12:58:20 | Harlekin | hi |
| 12:58:23 | chayim | it's not super low power, but I got 30 mins out of my Z downloading ipkgs and installing them wirelessly |
| 12:58:29 | Harlekin | VerxWork: you got tckjabber, right? |
| 12:58:36 | kolla | the price isnt what bothers me most, I just want something that I can use while still using headphones |
| 12:58:55 | kolla | so back to original question.. |
| 12:58:55 | chayim | kolla: I use my headphones with it all the time (stream mp3s over nfss) |
| 12:59:12 | kolla | chayim: yes |
| 12:59:16 | chayim | back in a sec |
| 12:59:17 | kolla | chayim: I know the one |
| 12:59:30 | chayim | kolla: back |
| 12:59:46 | VerxWork | Harlekin: Nah, until I have wireless on my Z |
| 12:59:50 | VerxWork | I had no need for jabber |
| 12:59:52 | kolla | but.. anyone with clue on WL6000-320 vs. WL6001-356, the latter being discontinued? |
| 12:59:58 | VerxWork | and beside, I think I will use kinkatta |
| 13:00:09 | Harlekin | anybody here has it? |
| 13:00:10 | VerxWork | jabber costs WAY too much for me |
| 13:00:11 | chayim | VerxWork: I use kinkatta and love it! |
| 13:00:16 | VerxWork | given that I won't use it hardly ever |
| 13:00:20 | kolla | uh.. jabber costs? |
| 13:00:27 | VerxWork | $20 or more |
| 13:00:28 | chayim | tkcJabber = $19.95 |
| 13:00:32 | VerxWork | was $20 last time I looked |
| 13:00:34 | kolla | oh.. tkc |
| 13:00:38 | kolla | duh :) |
| 13:00:41 | chayim | there's always qtjim |
| 13:00:45 | chayim | it's free as in beer |
| 13:01:04 | kolla | free beer? where? |
| 13:01:04 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 13:01:10 | VerxWork | kolla: THat is what I was thinking |
| 13:01:11 | VerxWork | heh |
| 13:01:12 | Harlekin | the problem is i need a filelist from tckjabber |
| 13:01:15 | chayim | kolla: there was a lot of free beer at my house yesterday. |
| 13:01:17 | Harlekin | and maybe a strace |
| 13:01:37 | kolla | so noone has a clue on the low power wlan cards, I take it? :) |
| 13:01:52 | chayim | get the spectrum one |
| 13:02:06 | VerxWork | file list? |
| 13:02:15 | VerxWork | why do you want that Harlekin? |
| 13:02:22 | VerxWork | kolla: I gave you a clue |
| 13:02:24 | VerxWork | you didn't want it |
| 13:03:40 | Harlekin | VerxWork: ? |
| 13:03:48 | Harlekin | VerxWork: i dont want the app, just informations |
| 13:04:05 | VerxWork | Harlekin: But what do you want the informations for? |
| 13:04:19 | VerxWork | is trying to figure out why Harlekin needs a list of the files in QtJabber |
| 13:04:25 | VerxWork | er, s/Qt/tkc |
| 13:04:34 | VerxWork | and/or an strace |
| 13:04:44 | Harlekin | VerxWork: guess why |
| 13:04:53 | VerxWork | Harlekin: You want to copy it? |
| 13:05:02 | Harlekin | no |
| 13:05:08 | Harlekin | you cannot copy by a strace |
| 13:05:13 | Harlekin | or a filelist |
| 13:05:18 | chayim | reenigne esreverr |
| 13:05:38 | Harlekin | chayim: by a strace, lol |
| 13:05:43 | Harlekin | chayim: please to that |
| 13:05:48 | chayim | Harlekin : he he he |
| 13:06:02 | chayim | I was wondering if someone would clue in! |
| 13:06:27 | Harlekin | chayim: i do a strace on a simple app, and you reverse eng it it |
| 13:06:29 | Harlekin | chayim: ok? |
| 13:06:38 | chayim | ah ok, |
| 13:16:06 | kolla | internet exploder on a celle phone.. hohum |
| 13:17:11 | VerxWork | god I love my Zaurus |
| 13:18:08 | VerxWork | ok, so less than two weeks left to finish polishing my app for Sharp |
| 13:18:16 | VerxWork | has just a few last minute things to do |
| 13:18:44 | VerxWork | most important is I want to document the code and make it easier to read for people |
| 13:18:57 | Harlekin | VerxWork: good idea |
| 13:18:57 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 13:19:03 | VerxWork | well |
| 13:19:12 | VerxWork | I found so few easy sources to learn with |
| 13:19:47 | VerxWork | so I figure I will make it so people can use mine to learn with |
| 13:22:04 | warmi | hi |
| 13:22:10 | VerxWork | howdy warmi |
| 13:22:11 | Harlekin | hi warmi |
| 13:22:16 | VerxWork | how goes your wince stuff warmi? |
| 13:22:37 | warmi | Haven't done much ... I was moving last weekend |
| 13:23:06 | warmi | getting organized in my new appartment |
| 13:23:22 | VerxWork | cool warmi |
| 13:23:34 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 13:24:11 | VerxWork | rofl |
| 13:24:18 | VerxWork | commodore 64 emulator |
| 13:24:18 | VerxWork | :) |
| 13:24:28 | tux_mike | hrm? |
| 13:26:33 | warmi | no internet for me for another month .. thank God I have connection from work |
| 13:26:34 | warmi | heh |
| 13:26:38 | Harlekin | oh |
| 13:26:40 | Harlekin | suse on xbox |
| 13:26:41 | Harlekin | cool |
| 13:27:00 | tux_mike | lol |
| 13:28:43 | Harlekin | looks like they got pretty far |
| 13:29:34 | tux_mike | yup |
| 13:30:54 | DrBoB | yup |
| 13:31:00 | VerxWork | Harlekin: Tux Racer runs at a blindingly fast 1 frame per secone |
| 13:31:02 | VerxWork | er, second |
| 13:31:03 | VerxWork | :) |
| 13:31:25 | DrBoB | beer? |
| 13:31:33 | kolla | Harlekin: wonderfull monitor that :) |
| 13:32:33 | Harlekin | VerxWork: yeah, they wil |
| 13:32:47 | Harlekin | need a hacked nvidea driver for more speed |
| 13:32:52 | VerxWork | yup |
| 13:33:00 | VerxWork | for um |
| 13:33:03 | VerxWork | -*ANY*- speed |
| 13:33:17 | VerxWork | I think the phrase "more speed" implies a level of speed not currently present |
| 13:33:17 | VerxWork | :) |
| 13:33:56 | VerxWork | anyone know how to type a "^" with the Z keyboard? |
| 13:34:40 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 22 hours, 47 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: have you been playing today [Mon Sep 2 15:47:34 2002] |
| 13:34:40 | imm | ibot seen Sniper |
| 13:34:44 | DrBoB | nope |
| 13:35:05 | DrBoB | use the on-screen keyboard |
| 13:36:30 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 13:40:59 | imm | chouimat|coffee: morning is good |
| 13:41:59 | tux_mike | i think i'm gonna try suse again |
| 13:43:01 | chayim | benmeyerh: you here? |
| 13:45:13 | chouimat|coffee | imm: pinged sniper |
| 13:45:29 | imm | chouimat|coffee: and ? |
| 13:46:22 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 22 hours, 58 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: have you been playing today [Mon Sep 2 15:47:34 2002] |
| 13:46:22 | imm | ibot seen Sniper |
| 13:46:32 | | benmeyerh was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 34 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: hi [Tue Sep 3 13:12:25 2002] |
| 13:46:32 | chayim | ibot seen benmeyerh |
| 13:46:51 | warmi | anyone has the URL for #zaurus logs page ? |
| 13:46:55 | chouimat|coffee | imm: nothing |
| 13:47:37 | | tux_mike: excuse me? |
| 13:47:37 | tux_mike | ibot logo |
| 13:47:42 | tux_mike | i guess not :) |
| 13:47:50 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 13:47:50 | chayim | ibot logs |
| 13:48:00 | chayim | tux_mike : you wrote logo |
| 13:48:07 | tux_mike | oops |
| 13:48:09 | tux_mike | :) |
| 13:48:36 | tux_mike | need more caffiene... and sleep.... and food :) |
| 13:48:47 | chayim | tux_mike : sleep, what's that? |
| 13:48:50 | warmi | thanks |
| 13:49:28 | tux_mike | that short period of time that i spend in bed where it is supposed to make me not sleepy any more |
| 13:50:19 | tux_mike | anyone know if you can have ssh work on ports 22 and 23? |
| 13:50:28 | | mark was last seen on #zaurus 16 hours, 6 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: George-: im off now, and back to school tomorrow. have fun [Mon Sep 2 22:43:42 2002] |
| 13:50:28 | warmi | ibot seen mark |
| 13:52:38 | chayim | tux_mike : you need a second daemon running for port 23. |
| 13:52:53 | tux_mike | ok |
| 13:52:57 | tux_mike | so 2 instances will work ok? |
| 13:53:08 | chouimat|coffee | tux_mike: yes |
| 13:53:15 | chayim | tux_mike : yup, just make sure you point each daemon to it's proper config file. |
| 13:53:34 | chayim | sshd -f config_file1; sshd -f config_file2 |
| 13:53:46 | tux_mike | k |
| 13:54:10 | tux_mike | hrm... this is gonna take a /long/ time to get suse |
| 13:54:12 | kolla | mf |
| 13:54:20 | chayim | tux_mike: for your xbox? |
| 13:54:29 | tux_mike | no, i386 |
| 13:54:36 | chayim | tux_mike : ouch! |
| 13:54:48 | tux_mike | i just borked my redhat desktop box, and i'm looking to switch :) |
| 13:55:08 | chayim | tux_mike: ah. have you thought about Mandrake (I don't use it personally though). |
| 13:55:15 | kolla | darn.. this apache ipkg needs libdb.so.2 |
| 13:55:20 | tux_mike | tried it, hated it |
| 13:55:37 | kolla | only got libdb2.so.2 |
| 13:55:39 | chayim | tux_mike : suse's yast is cool, but I prefer RH to suse. |
| 13:55:58 | chayim | kolla: symlink the first one to the second (it'll work, trust me). |
| 13:56:07 | tux_mike | well, RH seems to be slipping off the ball lately. half the sw in 7.3 is unstripped |
| 13:56:07 | kolla | right |
| 13:56:36 | chayim | tux_mike: why do you want it stripped in a release of open source software, just for space? I prefer unstripped personally (for debug). |
| 13:56:53 | tux_mike | well, unstripped is marginally faster too |
| 13:57:00 | kolla | chayim: ./bin/httpd: /usr/lib/libdb.so.2: no version information available (required by ./bin/httpd) |
| 13:57:10 | kolla | no surprice as they are different libraries |
| 13:57:33 | chayim | kolla : I was hoping for you. |
| 13:57:40 | chayim | tux_mike : if you've got time gentoo is awesome |
| 13:57:59 | tux_mike | i was thinking about it but i despise BSD startup scripts |
| 13:58:20 | chayim | tux_mike: sorry dude, I'll put up with it for the benefits. |
| 13:58:21 | kolla | kergoth was talking about uploading db and developer ipkgs a while ago, but I havent seen any yet :) |
| 13:58:47 | tux_mike | i would like to rebuild my packages with i686 + MMX + SSE extensions, though |
| 13:59:00 | tux_mike | but i'm gonna wait till i get my new laptop to bother |
| 14:03:48 | mod | helo |
| 14:04:08 | mod | does somebody uses qtgps or something else for gps |
| 14:05:36 | VerxWork | oh my god |
| 14:05:43 | VerxWork | this is an actual classified ad |
| 14:05:44 | VerxWork | I am a sensitive Jewish prince whom you can open your heart to. Share |
| 14:05:45 | VerxWork | your innermost thoughts and deepest secrets. Confide in me. I'll |
| 14:05:45 | VerxWork | understand your insecurities. No fatties, please. |
| 14:05:48 | VerxWork | rolls laughing |
| 14:06:05 | tux_mike | lol |
| 14:06:12 | treke | ha |
| 14:06:15 | VerxWork | here is another good one: |
| 14:06:16 | chayim | VerxWork : on behalf of the jewish princes out there, I can happily say this person is probably not part of my gene pool. |
| 14:06:16 | VerxWork | I am a sensitive Jewish prince whom you can open your heart to. Share |
| 14:06:16 | VerxWork | your innermost thoughts and deepest secrets. Confide in me. I'll |
| 14:06:16 | VerxWork | understand your insecurities. No fatties, please. |
| 14:06:21 | VerxWork | damnit |
| 14:06:26 | VerxWork | very successful, smart, independent, self-made. |
| 14:06:26 | VerxWork | Looking for girl whose father will hire me. |
| 14:06:34 | VerxWork | that is what I meant to paste the second time |
| 14:06:43 | VerxWork | chayim: hehehh |
| 14:07:32 | VerxWork | Desperately seeking shmoozing! Retired senior citizen desires female |
| 14:07:32 | VerxWork | companion 70+ for kvetching, kvelling, and krechtzing. Under 30 is also |
| 14:07:32 | VerxWork | OK. |
| 14:07:33 | tux_mike | lol |
| 14:07:39 | VerxWork | ok ok ok, I gotta stop now |
| 14:07:44 | VerxWork | I can't take anymore |
| 14:07:44 | mod | ok then i go again |
| 14:15:26 | tux_mike | hrmmm |
| 14:16:11 | tux_mike | anyone play with free s/wan or any other ipsec implementation? |
| 14:16:23 | chayim | tux_mike : in a past IT life, why? |
| 14:16:37 | tux_mike | i'm wondering if it'd work on the Z |
| 14:16:57 | tux_mike | i was thinking to provide an extra layer of security to put ipsec on my wlan |
| 14:17:05 | chouimat|coffee | tux_mike: Kame, OpenBSD |
| 14:17:05 | chayim | tux_mike : well first you'd need kernel 2.4.15 or higher. |
| 14:17:27 | tux_mike | so it's a posibility when kergoth gets OZ up to .18 |
| 14:18:50 | chayim | tux_mike: I'm not sure, but I thought you'd need an FPU to truly do ipsec (RSA algorithm and all is somewhat math intensive) |
| 14:19:00 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 14:19:12 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 23 hours, 31 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: have you been playing today [Mon Sep 2 15:47:34 2002] |
| 14:19:12 | imm | ibot seen Sniper |
| 14:19:21 | imm | Sniper: ping |
| 14:19:21 | tux_mike | that may be a problem |
| 14:19:57 | chayim | tux_mike: I could be wrong. |
| 14:20:39 | chouimat|coffee | imm SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, that will work better :) |
| 14:22:34 | chayim | time for some work, python awaits! |
| 14:23:54 | imm | Sniper dont hide, we see you ! |
| 14:24:09 | VerxWork | imm, what do you need sniper for? |
| 14:24:46 | imm | VerxWork: my Z nead a location change |
| 14:25:02 | VerxWork | imm: What do you mean? |
| 14:25:08 | VerxWork | like a localized rom or something? |
| 14:25:16 | VerxWork | or you moved |
| 14:25:20 | VerxWork | and need it shipped somewhere else? |
| 14:25:32 | chouimat|coffee | imm: I'm working on a teleporter since yesterday so I think it will work today. and I just found a good target :) |
| 14:26:44 | imm | VerxWork: no, but my would come to me but Snpier won't let him go |
| 14:27:04 | imm | chouimat|coffee: cool, so we will have the Z today ? |
| 14:27:19 | VerxWork | "my would come to me"? |
| 14:27:23 | VerxWork | doesn't understand that |
| 14:27:32 | imm | VerxWork: my Z |
| 14:27:49 | VerxWork | won't let "him |
| 14:27:50 | VerxWork | " go |
| 14:27:53 | VerxWork | who is him? |
| 14:28:42 | imm | him is my Z |
| 14:28:51 | VerxWork | oh |
| 14:29:01 | VerxWork | and what do you mean about Sniper not letting your Z go? |
| 14:29:14 | imm | so all i would say is "Sniper, please send this fucking Z to me !" |
| 14:29:42 | imm | VerxWork: Sniper is responsible for packing and shipping |
| 14:30:58 | VerxWork | imm: Well, I am sure he is doing all he can |
| 14:31:02 | VerxWork | sniper is a really nice guy |
| 14:31:03 | imm | VerxWork: but he was not in the channel for some time so we think he hides :) |
| 14:31:16 | imm | VerxWork: shure, we just joke |
| 14:31:22 | imm | VerxWork: for now ;) |
| 14:31:36 | chouimat|coffee | imm: yup for now :) |
| 14:32:38 | imm | VerxWork: i sent in my beta 4 weeks ago |
| 14:34:41 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:34:53 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 14:35:38 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 14:36:03 | tux_mike | from now on, when i get wrong numbers on my cell phone i'm gonna act like it's a scure government line :) |
| 14:37:26 | chouimat|coffee | yurrrrrrrrrk! eminem on tv |
| 14:38:00 | imm | chouimat|coffee: yo, yo, im da man ! |
| 14:38:24 | chouimat|coffee | imm: nanannananannanan |
| 14:39:18 | imm | chouimat|coffee: yo, yo, im da man, yo yo ! |
| 14:39:33 | imm | chouimat|coffee: yo, yo, baby |
| 14:45:07 | imm | <wisper>Sniper ?</wisper> |
| 14:46:07 | chouimat|coffee | imm: lol |
| 14:47:20 | chouimat|coffee | imm: try morse code |
| 14:52:54 | imm | ... -. .. .--. . .-. |
| 14:53:09 | imm | i repeat |
| 14:53:11 | imm | ... -. .. .--. . .-. ? |
| 14:54:20 | chouimat|coffee | imm: lol |
| 14:56:20 | XavierXeon | http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=39204&cid=4189174 |
| 14:57:33 | imm | I have coded in VB for fifteen years, and in Java for over ten |
| 14:57:44 | imm | shure :) |
| 14:58:03 | imm | and c# for 100 |
| 14:58:47 | chouimat|coffee | imm: I recall a microsoft product called QuickBasic 2.0 and another one called Visual Basic For DOS |
| 14:58:57 | treke | VB was released 15 years ago |
| 14:59:08 | imm | chouimat|coffee: i recall only gwbasic |
| 14:59:14 | treke | It was first released in 1987 |
| 14:59:28 | treke | and they also had QuickBasic |
| 14:59:37 | chouimat|coffee | imm: And I also recall BASIC-09 |
| 15:00:19 | imm | treke: shure, but how usable was it in 1987 ? |
| 15:00:35 | treke | imm: how usable did it need to be for people to use it? :) |
| 15:00:52 | treke | sure the guy is probably a lying sack of shit |
| 15:01:24 | imm | treke: it has to start up, but i dont think that was the case |
| 15:01:44 | treke | imm: it was released in 87... why wouldnt it start? |
| 15:01:54 | XavierXeon | i think the best bits are where he explains that c is slow and the linux kernel would be much faster in c# |
| 15:02:03 | imm | treke: its still a MS product |
| 15:02:14 | treke | no arguments there |
| 15:02:27 | imm | XavierXeon: and that c is a higher level language the java |
| 15:02:41 | imm | treke: ;) |
| 15:02:43 | chouimat|coffee | imm: visual basic 1.0 was relatively good, it's the later versions the problem |
| 15:03:42 | imm | chouimat|coffee: i had 3.0 or so |
| 15:04:19 | chouimat|coffee | imm: I have the 1.0/2.0 and the 5.0 entreprise version |
| 15:04:22 | imm | "Having programmed in both for many years, I believe that C# has the edge." |
| 15:05:18 | chouimat|coffee | C#. the bastard version of java from microsoft? |
| 15:05:21 | imm | i like d+++ the most, i use it since 38363834943 years ! |
| 15:05:48 | chouimat|coffee | prefers ReXX |
| 15:05:54 | imm | it was invented by a guy called jesus |
| 15:06:31 | chouimat|coffee | imm: on a saturday morning after a friday night of hard drinking :) |
| 15:07:50 | imm | chouimat|coffee: and sex with the pope |
| 15:13:31 | imm | ... -. .. .--. . .-. ? |
| 15:15:28 | chouimat|coffee | imm: flood his mailbox |
| 15:15:57 | imm | chouimat|coffee: ... -. .. .--. . .-.@sharp.com ? |
| 15:17:30 | chouimat|coffee | imm: hehe |
| 15:17:43 | treke | imm: its billg@microsoft.com |
| 15:18:24 | tux_mike | i wonder how many porn spams that address gets |
| 15:18:39 | imm | treke: hmm, i dont think billg is packing Zs |
| 15:19:09 | chouimat|coffee | imm: HuangS@sharpsec.com |
| 15:20:00 | DrXXXXwrk | I just got ttyS0 do dial on my nokia and make a ppp connection,, now only if I could automate it hehe |
| 15:20:09 | DrXXXXwrk | i mean nextel iden phone |
| 15:20:28 | tux_mike | ... |
| 15:25:51 | DrXXXXwrk | 1 think though |
| 15:26:17 | DrXXXXwrk | eveything works,, I can ping and everything and resolve hostnames but opera wont pull a webpage |
| 15:26:31 | DrXXXXwrk | im using minicom, pppd to get on the internet |
| 15:27:40 | XavierXeon | i heard that before, but i dont know the solution |
| 15:27:49 | DrXXXXwrk | its weird |
| 15:27:57 | DrXXXXwrk | i run it in runlvl 3 |
| 15:28:02 | XavierXeon | did yiu out the dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 15:28:05 | DrXXXXwrk | yep |
| 15:28:14 | JasonNJ | kergoth: around? |
| 15:28:21 | DrXXXXwrk | I can do a ping to domains and they resolv to ip |
| 15:28:40 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I have bruce here with me, we want to call you at work about something |
| 15:28:46 | DrXXXXwrk | I have even typed in a webserver of mine in opera by ip and it didnt work,, I dont think its a dns issue |
| 15:29:03 | DrXXXXwrk | thinking about trying konquer |
| 15:29:39 | tux_mike | jason: i've been seeing him bounce in and out |
| 15:29:47 | BigBoss | howdy ho homies |
| 15:29:53 | XavierXeon | jo |
| 15:29:54 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 15:29:56 | tux_mike | hey bigboss |
| 15:30:04 | chouimat | BigBoss: did you get Snow? |
| 15:30:05 | tux_mike | tkcMail ready yet? |
| 15:30:11 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 15:30:14 | BigBoss | the beta with imap went out yesterday |
| 15:30:23 | BigBoss | chouimat: listening to it for the 4th time right now :) |
| 15:30:46 | chouimat | BigBoss: good? |
| 15:30:51 | treke | sweeet |
| 15:31:01 | treke | is looking forward to tkcmail |
| 15:31:07 | XavierXeon | too |
| 15:31:17 | BigBoss | chouimat: yes, but the story is basically a cross between the movies Powder and Star Trek V so in that respect I'm a bit disappointed |
| 15:31:25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hold, on a call |
| 15:31:27 | BigBoss | but it's really a nice album |
| 15:31:32 | treke | BigBoss: does it handle having multiple imap servers? |
| 15:31:48 | chouimat | BigBoss: ok. Still on the Joe Satriani/Dream Theater show of Sunday |
| 15:31:56 | BigBoss | treke: not really sure, I'm not using it at the moment |
| 15:32:04 | BigBoss | chouimat: you saw satch and DT on Sunday? |
| 15:32:26 | JasonNJ | kergoth: ok no rush |
| 15:33:00 | BigBoss | anyone willing to do some hard core testing of tkcMail and IMAP for me? I'm going to piss Rikkus off and add some people right now if they want to |
| 15:33:16 | chouimat | BigBoss: yes here in Quebec City |
| 15:33:29 | scanline | is away: class time |
| 15:33:51 | XavierXeon | BigBoss: sure (though i have only one imap server i can access) |
| 15:34:11 | BigBoss | chouimat: sweet!! I've seen DT once in the Metropolis tour (scenes from a memory), they were just amazing. Spocks Beard opened, and they were great |
| 15:34:31 | BigBoss | ok, anyone wanting to seriously test tkcMail, private message me your email address |
| 15:34:54 | numatrix | imm: yeah, I do. Sorry, I was at lunch before. |
| 15:35:23 | chouimat | BigBoss: satriani played for 1 1/2hr and DT too, and add King's X too |
| 15:35:50 | BigBoss | chouimat: did you have an orgasm? :) |
| 15:36:08 | numatrix | imm: I just set it up so that it should run every night. Check imm.d0pe.com/webstats tomorrow. |
| 15:36:16 | chouimat | BigBoss: several |
| 15:36:45 | imm | numatrix: nice ! |
| 15:41:56 | DrXXXXwrk | in the newest firmware, what is the device the cf card is on /dev/hda ? <<-- yea yea I just bought this thing last week |
| 15:43:49 | BigBoss | ok - no one else wants to test tkcmail? |
| 15:43:55 | XavierXeon | /dev/hda1 |
| 15:43:56 | darienm | sure,I will |
| 15:44:00 | darienm | mail is yummy |
| 15:44:06 | darienm | I have pop3, I have imap |
| 15:44:09 | darienm | I'm good to go |
| 15:44:12 | darienm | I have my own servers :) |
| 15:44:17 | chouimat | BigBoss: still waiting for my z |
| 15:44:17 | numatrix | darienm: How's the wireless going? |
| 15:44:32 | numatrix | darienm: I should just check your log, but figured I'd bother you first. ;-) |
| 15:44:33 | darienm | bleh, I have to go for a drive at lunch and see if I'm just in a dead zone. |
| 15:44:44 | darienm | Verizon is claiming their side is working fine. |
| 15:45:52 | tweeker | BigBoss: i'll give you hand on testing if need be |
| 15:46:03 | DrXXXXwrk | darienm: I heard that the anntenna on the verizon device is too small and that is one of the reasons it is having problems |
| 15:46:27 | darienm | DrXXXXwrk: there's an antenna? Hold on, let me turn on my microscope and have a peek.... |
| 15:46:33 | tweeker | BigBoss: PM me or email ryan@ryanjoseph.com if you need more help... |
| 15:46:50 | darienm | DrXXXXwrk: hot damn!! There IS an antenna down there. Hard to see with anything less than 30x though. |
| 15:47:28 | DrXXXXwrk | i plug in my cf card,, the little card icon pops up but when I do a df it shows no mount and when I do "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf" it gives me a failt invalid argument |
| 15:47:43 | DrXXXXwrk | hehe |
| 15:48:02 | DrXXXXwrk | is a lexar |
| 15:48:29 | DrXXXXwrk | darienm: I mean the antenna on your device (the cell modem cf card) |
| 15:48:38 | darienm | DrXXXXwrk: Yes... |
| 15:48:45 | darienm | DrXXXXwrk: That's what I'm talking about ;) |
| 15:48:50 | DrXXXXwrk | hehehe |
| 15:49:26 | DrXXXXwrk | make one of those prigles can antennas, you can use it with your wifi too (too bad there 2 completely different freqencys or that might of been true) |
| 15:50:21 | DrXXXXwrk | hook a 1 watt liner aplifier,, look out for little black trucks that say FCC on the side hehe |
| 15:51:04 | DrXXXXwrk | stupid cf compact flash, detect damnit |
| 15:51:14 | DrXXXXwrk | well i mean,, mount damnit |
| 15:51:28 | DrXXXXwrk | screw it going to SD cards |
| 15:52:49 | junxster | Well, i finally got my Z. plus the dlink card and 128mb SD. i am VERY happy |
| 15:53:03 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 21 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: JasonNJ: hold, on a call [Tue Sep 3 16:31:25 2002] |
| 15:53:03 | prpplague | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 15:53:30 | DrXXXXwrk | i heard the dlink card has a good range |
| 15:53:36 | DrXXXXwrk | probally the one im gonna get |
| 15:53:43 | numatrix | DrXXXXwrk: the best, supposedly. And some of the worst power ratings... |
| 15:53:46 | junxster | kismet has been alot of fun on I95/495/395 in/around washington DC |
| 15:53:56 | junxster | range takes power... |
| 15:54:00 | DrXXXXwrk | yep |
| 15:54:00 | numatrix | DrXXXXwrk: though it is cheap. I picked it up only because it was the cheapest I could get. |
| 15:54:18 | DrXXXXwrk | how fast does it drain battery? |
| 15:54:31 | DrXXXXwrk | standard |
| 15:54:46 | junxster | I havent had a full drain yet... I got a power invertor for the car and basically keep teh Z plugged in most of the time... |
| 15:56:15 | numatrix | DrXXXXwrk: if I'm on the wireless surfing the web, I get around an hour (probably more), less if I'm doing more downloading. |
| 15:56:45 | whardier | http://xyzz.org/media/Jhonen_Vasquez/Invader_Zim/gfx/renders/gir-fly.png :) |
| 15:56:57 | junxster | How are the "Internet Wizard" and "Network/sync" related? |
| 15:57:42 | darienm | whardier: whatever you're smoking, can I have some? |
| 15:58:04 | VerxWork | whardier: You obsessed with that cartoon or something? |
| 15:59:14 | George- | yo |
| 16:00:32 | treke | junxster: they arent |
| 16:00:53 | treke | junxster: Network/sync should be where you choose which networks can connect to the sync ports |
| 16:01:01 | George- | I'm off in 2 hours |
| 16:01:15 | chouimat | George-: hi |
| 16:01:26 | George- | hey chouimat |
| 16:01:30 | | sniper was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 1 hours, 13 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: have you been playing today [Mon Sep 2 15:47:34 2002] |
| 16:01:30 | George- | ibot seen sniper |
| 16:02:11 | chouimat | George-: you too seek sniper? |
| 16:02:39 | George- | chouimat: yes |
| 16:03:44 | cutm | wwit |
| 16:03:49 | whardier | VerxWork: to have a moldable workable animatable GiR .. thats just fon incentive to learn how to do wonderfully things in life |
| 16:04:04 | George- | whardier: not GiR again =P |
| 16:05:20 | junxster | treke: ok |
| 16:06:00 | kergoth | gah |
| 16:06:30 | George- | hey kergoth |
| 16:06:39 | George- | kergoth: I'm off for 3 weeks in 2 hours ;) |
| 16:06:43 | George- | kergoth: Are you happy? :) |
| 16:07:00 | kergoth | lucky you |
| 16:07:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:07:14 | whardier | does that mean you won't be here? |
| 16:07:28 | George- | kergoth, whardier: yes |
| 16:07:35 | George- | kergoth: er.. No, I'm not happy |
| 16:07:38 | George- | kergoth: it's school =P |
| 16:07:39 | chouimat | George-: school? |
| 16:08:08 | George- | hey rikkus |
| 16:08:08 | chouimat | George-: yay! the irc proxy :) |
| 16:08:11 | whardier | which school? |
| 16:08:17 | George- | whardier: er.. my school? |
| 16:08:22 | whardier | which school? |
| 16:08:50 | whardier | and then? |
| 16:08:53 | whardier | and then? |
| 16:08:53 | whardier | and then? |
| 16:08:53 | whardier | and then? |
| 16:08:54 | whardier | and then? |
| 16:08:54 | whardier | and then? |
| 16:09:00 | chouimat | whardier: hehe |
| 16:09:07 | whardier | findles his joystick |
| 16:09:11 | whardier | fondles even |
| 16:09:20 | numatrix | I was wondering if that was like fondling, but more fiddling. |
| 16:09:25 | whardier | anyhoot.. I think we are gonna make all the zim chars |
| 16:09:37 | rikkus | hi |
| 16:09:41 | whardier | waste of time/energy/money makeing hours |
| 16:09:44 | numatrix | whardier: zim? |
| 16:09:49 | whardier | Invader Zim |
| 16:09:57 | numatrix | Right. I saw it. Gotcha. |
| 16:09:59 | whardier | go to gir.n3.net to find out more today! |
| 16:10:02 | whardier | heh |
| 16:10:11 | numatrix | Yeah, I would like a zim character. That would be nifty. |
| 16:10:13 | whardier | its just fun |
| 16:10:32 | whardier | its kinda fun being able to make GiR do the matrix bullet dodge |
| 16:10:35 | whardier | and the macerena |
| 16:10:44 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 16:19:44 | VerxWork | whardier: GiR? |
| 16:20:40 | whardier | GiR! |
| 16:20:48 | whardier | showertime |
| 16:20:49 | whardier | :) |
| 16:20:51 | whardier | WOOWOOWOO! |
| 16:21:56 | George- | whardier: and then? |
| 16:23:32 | VerxWork | # ls |
| 16:23:36 | VerxWork | Illegal instruction |
| 16:23:43 | VerxWork | doesn't feel very good about that |
| 16:23:44 | VerxWork | :( |
| 16:25:18 | imm | VerxWork: dont try such heavy stuff ! |
| 16:25:27 | VerxWork | um |
| 16:25:28 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 16:25:49 | imm | VerxWork: better try # true |
| 16:26:01 | VerxWork | nope |
| 16:26:02 | VerxWork | couldn't |
| 16:26:06 | VerxWork | load went up too high |
| 16:26:09 | VerxWork | it wouldn't respond |
| 16:26:23 | VerxWork | I think the jffs2 load bug might have hit me again |
| 16:26:43 | VerxWork | um |
| 16:26:43 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 16:26:48 | VerxWork | has a corrupted jffs2 |
| 16:26:50 | VerxWork | bleh |
| 16:26:56 | VerxWork | good thing I had just made a backup |
| 16:26:59 | tux_mike | mmmm burger |
| 16:32:26 | VerxWork | kergoth, are you around? |
| 16:33:20 | treke | steals tux_mike's burger |
| 16:34:15 | tux_mike | too late :) |
| 16:34:18 | tux_mike | all gone |
| 16:34:20 | VerxWork | heh |
| 16:34:24 | treke | darn |
| 16:34:28 | VerxWork | is going to head out for wings soon |
| 16:34:57 | tux_mike | you can try again in about an hour or so :) |
| 16:35:04 | treke | will |
| 16:36:08 | treke | put some cheese on it for me |
| 16:36:45 | George- | What's so special about enlightenment> |
| 16:36:46 | George- | ? |
| 16:36:59 | tux_mike | it had cheese. |
| 16:38:07 | George- | VerxWork: rofl |
| 16:38:19 | George- | VerxHome: (about the ls: illegal instruction thing :) |
| 16:41:22 | tux_mike | anyone do any terminal programming? |
| 16:41:37 | George- | I can do "ls", does that count? |
| 16:41:49 | tux_mike | don't make me smack you |
| 16:42:04 | George- | lol |
| 16:45:02 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:45:04 | Neo|Work | is back at work |
| 16:45:07 | Neo|Work | long gone is the freedom of vacation |
| 16:45:09 | Neo|Work | or something |
| 16:45:19 | XavierXeon | tux_mike: what do you classify as terminal programming ? |
| 16:46:05 | tux_mike | i'm looking for resources on the Wyse 50 terminal escape codes, and i'm curious if anyone has any leads :) |
| 16:47:18 | XavierXeon | has never heard about Wyse 50 terminal escape codes |
| 16:47:18 | akk | more /etc/termcap ? |
| 16:47:44 | akk | grep wyse50 /etc/termcap gets several hits. |
| 16:48:24 | akk | 5 different entries, it looks like (depending on whether it has "magic cookies", visible bell, 132 column mode etc.) |
| 16:50:54 | tux_mike | now, how do i read the entries? |
| 16:51:02 | oGMo | tux_mike: you ought to just use ncurses or termlib or whatever |
| 16:51:31 | oGMo | ncurses does optimizations and stuff |
| 16:51:31 | akk | tux_mike: man termcap describes all the entries. |
| 16:51:50 | tux_mike | k |
| 16:52:15 | tux_mike | oGMo: i'm looking to hack wyse 50 into a windows terminal emulator |
| 16:52:27 | oGMo | oh, bleh heh |
| 16:52:30 | oGMo | tux_mike: good luck ;) |
| 16:54:10 | oGMo | those should use terminfo database entries, i'm convinced there isn't a single win32 programmer out there who can actually come up with a good term emu |
| 16:54:59 | oGMo | which is fucked up since there are 20 million different ones for X |
| 16:55:10 | tux_mike | TeraTerm and Putty aren't too bad |
| 16:55:28 | oGMo | not comparatively, but they're still pretty bad |
| 16:55:29 | akk | Nobody's ported the curses or termcap libraries to windows? |
| 16:55:41 | oGMo | well, honestly i haven't tried putty, but teraterm is still broken |
| 16:55:51 | akk | They should be pretty portable except for the pathname where they look for the termcap file. |
| 16:56:01 | oGMo | stuff like colors get completely messed up |
| 16:56:06 | tux_mike | i just need very simple terminal capabilities |
| 16:56:14 | tux_mike | with wy50 emu |
| 16:56:41 | akk | Oh, you need the opposite of what libcurses does. Right. |
| 16:56:58 | tux_mike | yah |
| 16:57:03 | treke | oGMo: give putty a shit :) |
| 16:57:08 | treke | you might like it |
| 16:57:18 | tux_mike | treke: you mean shot? :) |
| 16:57:31 | treke | oh yeah, that too |
| 16:57:33 | particule | treke: putty is quite nice |
| 16:57:38 | George- | bye alll |
| 16:57:40 | George- | I'm off now |
| 16:58:00 | treke | not sure if you can use it as a plain old terminal emulator though |
| 16:59:04 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:28:50) |
| 16:59:44 | tux_mike | putty does ANSI emulation on telnet and ssh |
| 16:59:46 | oGMo | treke: next time i have to use windows, i will ;) |
| 17:00:08 | treke | oGMo: well, then I hope you never try it |
| 17:00:21 | oGMo | treke: tell you the truth, me too |
| 17:02:35 | BZFlag | wonders if there is any future in "terminal" programming. |
| 17:03:10 | treke | hahah </courtesy laugh> |
| 17:03:17 | BZFlag | jej |
| 17:03:24 | BZFlag | er heh. =( |
| 17:04:07 | BZFlag | at least putty in GPLed so you can hack it if you like. |
| 17:04:32 | BZFlag | the other I use on the rare case where I'm on a windows box is installing cygwin and using openssh there. |
| 17:04:50 | BZFlag | in an rxvt window if you like. |
| 17:05:44 | BZFlag | cygwin != small, but it's fairly complete. local cvs/vim is nice. well, nicer than bare windows if you are into that kinda thing. |
| 17:06:21 | tux_mike | putty is nice and small. i can sneak it places where no one will find it :) |
| 17:06:48 | tux_mike | and there are native ports of vim/gvim |
| 17:07:21 | treke | yeah, I prefer gvim on windows to cygwin |
| 17:07:46 | tux_mike | yah, they did some nice integration ther |
| 17:07:46 | tux_mike | e |
| 17:09:49 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone |
| 17:10:00 | mutexer | hi |
| 17:10:09 | ljp_work | yo |
| 17:10:26 | Cloudchaser | what's new and exciting today? |
| 17:10:42 | tux_mike | um... nothing really |
| 17:10:52 | mutexer | IM having problems....oh wait thats not new or exciting |
| 17:12:01 | tux_mike | i'm getting suse and kde 3.1b1, but that's not exciting |
| 17:12:09 | tux_mike | it's much like watching paint dry |
| 17:12:57 | Cloudchaser | hehe that's always fun |
| 17:13:02 | mutexer | make |
| 17:13:05 | mutexer | doh |
| 17:13:56 | tux_mike | i wonder how much i have |
| 17:14:35 | tux_mike | 500M |
| 17:14:44 | tux_mike | now the other question is, how much is left :) |
| 17:22:16 | kergoth | ljp_work: what were the issues with the Z audio driver again? something about the implementation of oss ioctls, or ..? |
| 17:23:08 | ljp_work | umm forst one might be having to open /dev/dsp2 for input, instead of being able to open /dev/dsp in write mode |
| 17:23:22 | ljp_work | but I guess thats because they are differnt divices |
| 17:23:39 | kergoth | yep, different hardware |
| 17:23:46 | kergoth | what else |
| 17:23:48 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:25:11 | ljp_work | hmm.. I can record 8 bit audio, but not play 8 bit ausio |
| 17:25:54 | ljp_work | I can't shove wav files through /dev/sharp_buzzer |
| 17:26:01 | ljp_work | :D |
| 17:27:17 | treke | hmmm, xiph released their fixed point library |
| 17:27:27 | ljp_work | other than that... I can't recall |
| 17:27:29 | tux_mike | LGPL? |
| 17:27:52 | treke | BSDish |
| 17:28:10 | tux_mike | good good. any url? |
| 17:28:16 | treke | http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/hardware.html |
| 17:29:16 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 17:31:19 | | prpplague: huh? |
| 17:31:19 | prpplague | ibot: serial cables |
| 17:31:22 | | i think serial cable is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ActiveSync |
| 17:31:22 | prpplague | ibot: serial cable |
| 17:31:39 | | hmmm... zaurus serial cable is http://www.sharpplace.com/searchresults.asp?search_id=20&dept_id=39 or http://www.thenerds.net/productpage.asp?pn=568065 |
| 17:31:39 | prpplague | ibot: zaurus serial cable |
| 17:31:42 | kergoth | ljp_work: hmm it cant play 8 bit audio? |
| 17:31:44 | kergoth | ljp_work: thats odd |
| 17:31:45 | kergoth | ljp_work: k |
| 17:32:35 | ljp_work | oh it can seem to play, but actually making it sound is difficult. Neo ran into this also |
| 17:32:52 | ljp_work | you can open it 8 bit, no error |
| 17:33:15 | ljp_work | but playing either makes no sound, or a god-aweful racket |
| 17:33:21 | kergoth | ahh |
| 17:33:22 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 17:34:14 | scan[ibook] | is about to start snoring... |
| 17:34:34 | ljp_work | heh make it support 24/96 like the hardware is capable of ;) |
| 17:35:18 | Neo|Work | ok |
| 17:35:43 | ljp_work | NeoTron: didnt you also have problems trying to lay 8 bit audio? |
| 17:35:44 | Neo|Work | Zaurus SL-5x00 plays 8 bit audio wrong. Low++ volume and distorted |
| 17:35:56 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:35:56 | kergoth | k |
| 17:35:56 | Neo|Work | A300 seems to play 8 bit audio at 2x the speed |
| 17:36:03 | Neo|Work | so neither can handle it |
| 17:36:13 | kergoth | I may fix that in the Z 2.4.6 kernel as well then, its just converting from 8->16 wrong |
| 17:36:16 | chouimat | anyone have interest in a ODB-II Scantool for the Z? |
| 17:36:35 | Neo|Work | treke: wow, they did? I'm surprised. Guess they couldn't make money off it. :P |
| 17:37:01 | scan[ibook] | k-lined? |
| 17:37:14 | kergoth | ljp_work: I doubt we can generate the clock to do 96khz, i think 48000 will be max. I'll look into 24kbit.. |
| 17:37:17 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:38:19 | ljp_work | brb |
| 17:38:44 | BigBoss | is anyone from Sharp paying attention in here? |
| 17:38:49 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 6 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: ok no rush [Tue Sep 3 16:32:26 2002] |
| 17:38:49 | BigBoss | ibot seen JasonNJ |
| 17:43:26 | chayim | I'm back! |
| 17:45:54 | Cloudchaser | hey bigboss |
| 17:45:58 | chouimat | anyone have interest in a car diagnostic tool for the Z? |
| 17:46:07 | Cloudchaser | what would i download for the ogg ripper? |
| 17:47:05 | chayim | Cloudchaser : oggenc |
| 17:47:05 | BigBoss | what linux distro? |
| 17:47:12 | chayim | Cloudchaser : use it with grip |
| 17:47:20 | Cloudchaser | redhat 7.3 |
| 17:47:22 | BigBoss | oggenc and cdparanoia should be on any linux distro |
| 17:47:31 | BigBoss | chayim: you should try tkcOggripper |
| 17:47:37 | Cloudchaser | thats what i want |
| 17:47:40 | Cloudchaser | tkcoggripper |
| 17:47:50 | Cloudchaser | i coudln't find link |
| 17:48:00 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/projects/tkcoggripper |
| 17:48:25 | chayim | BigBoss : no thanks, not an ogg fan. |
| 17:48:52 | scan[ibook] | BigBoss: why binary only? |
| 17:49:06 | scan[ibook] | No PPC binaries :( |
| 17:49:33 | chayim | scan[ibook] : build it from source. |
| 17:49:57 | scan[ibook] | chayim: AFAICT the source to tkcOggRipper isn't released |
| 17:50:06 | Shayde | hiya folks. looking to chat with someone about the SL5500. i'm 'on the edge' about buying one... |
| 17:50:07 | scan[ibook] | the site says it's not GPL, just freeware |
| 17:50:39 | chayim | Shayde : hook it up dude. |
| 17:50:41 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: thanks for the link |
| 17:51:07 | Shayde | heh. well, first - what's the difference between the 5000 and the 5500? i know the 5000 was the 'developer' version... but are they identical, just one is the final release? |
| 17:51:16 | Shayde | you can get 5000D's for about $150 cheaper on ebay it seems |
| 17:51:22 | scan[ibook] | Shayde 5000D has 32MB, 5500 has 64MB |
| 17:51:27 | BigBoss | scanline: sure it's released, we just haven't released the Windows version yet, but the linux one has been out for over a month |
| 17:51:28 | Shayde | is that it? |
| 17:51:46 | chayim | Shayde : 5500 is the final release. the 5000D (developer version) has 32MB less ram. Trust me it really is a difference. |
| 17:51:53 | scan[ibook] | BigBoss: the source? I only see .i386.rpm on the FTP server it links to |
| 17:51:58 | chayim | that and the pen, the sl-5000 has the plastic pen (which I prefer) |
| 17:51:59 | Shayde | *nod* but if you socket in a 256meg SD card, you can make that up, yes? |
| 17:52:16 | Shayde | is looking at a big SD RAM card and a wavelan 802.11 card. |
| 17:52:18 | tux_mike | i like the metal one |
| 17:52:31 | Cloudchaser | i don't see anything in the dir |
| 17:52:33 | Shayde | though, a 1gig ibm microdrive would be awfully nice for MP3's. :) |
| 17:52:40 | BigBoss | scanline: we aren't releasing the source because it uses some of our proprietary libraries |
| 17:52:44 | Shayde | (256 is max for the SD slot?) |
| 17:52:54 | chayim | Shayde : I did that for a while, (yes: re 256) |
| 17:52:55 | Shayde | okay. |
| 17:52:58 | scan[ibook] | Both stylii are kind of weak.. my favorite stylus was the one for the VTech Helio.. it was long, metal, and had a built-in rubber grip |
| 17:53:13 | scan[ibook] | BigBoss: k |
| 17:53:26 | Jerakeen | THe loox one is scary. It gets longer... :-) My fav was always the psion stylus, though. |
| 17:53:27 | Shayde | i've gone through so manyu stylii, i dont know which ones i like or don't like. the pen/combo one i had in my prism i think i liked the best. |
| 17:53:27 | tux_mike | i wish the Z's stylus was longer |
| 17:53:40 | chayim | tux_mike : I like it the way it is. |
| 17:53:42 | Shayde | jera: should use a Newton stylus. it does that. :) |
| 17:54:03 | chayim | out for coffee, back in mins |
| 17:54:07 | Jerakeen | Shayde: They fold, don't they? I /want/ a newton... |
| 17:54:17 | Shayde | i've been going through the Zaurus Software Index. MAN is there a lot of tasty stuff out there. how do folks handle the battery life issue? 1hr with backlighting on? ew? |
| 17:54:20 | Shayde | jera: they telescope. |
| 17:54:50 | numatrix | Shayde: I don't know about that, I've done 1hr with backlight ~and~ network. I usually get 2-3 without network. |
| 17:54:53 | Shayde | kerclick - half out, then kerclick the whole stylus comes out the top. pretty neat actually. i had an MP1200 for quite a while - had been considering one again when i really started digginginto the zaurus. |
| 17:55:03 | Shayde | numa: huh. cool. |
| 17:55:26 | tux_mike | chayim: well, the way i hold a pen, the end of shorter styluses like this one sits right in the small bit of skin between my thumb and index finger. it/'s not very comfortable |
| 17:55:47 | Shayde | next q - having never run QTopia, one thing that pissed me off first time i really started fiddling with th palm - its truly multithreaded, right? i can start, say, a media player playing music, and flip back to a shell session ssh'ed into my box reading mail, and flip around? |
| 17:56:06 | scan[ibook] | as long as you don't run out of memory :) |
| 17:56:19 | benmeyerh | http://slashdot.org/ |
| 17:56:30 | benmeyerh | free fixed point ogg decoder! |
| 17:56:44 | Shayde | heh. okay, actually, good point. the 32/64 meg internal ram is all 'working' member, right? the 256meg SD card is just like adding a drive - won't increase what i can run 'in' memory? |
| 17:56:54 | Shayde | 'working' memory, rather |
| 17:57:35 | Shayde | (sorry bout all the q's. i'm pretty stoked on this, but dumping $300-$400 into the project, i better make sure i'm on the right track :) |
| 17:59:19 | Shayde | kills the convo. |
| 17:59:33 | scan[ibook] | quick, get the jumper cables! |
| 17:59:39 | Shayde | "CLEAR!" |
| 18:00:02 | scan[ibook] | hmm.. is the channel supposed to start smoking like that? |
| 18:00:17 | scan[ibook] | hangs a "no smoking" sign and tosses buckets of water |
| 18:01:17 | Shayde | i didn't do it, i swear. |
| 18:01:18 | Shayde | hmm. |
| 18:01:25 | Shayde | Z support an external keyboard? |
| 18:01:27 | Shayde | assumes not. |
| 18:01:38 | ljp_ | blue smoke makes computers run.. leave the blue smoke _inside_ ! |
| 18:01:43 | scan[ibook] | you could use an external keyboard over the network :) |
| 18:01:56 | Shayde | true. i could vnc to it. |
| 18:02:09 | kergoth | or ssh |
| 18:02:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:02:18 | Shayde | i'm thinking of hauling a spiffy mini-qwerty keyboard around. with thing slike MinIDE I could do my java work on the road. |
| 18:02:18 | scan[ibook] | or x2x |
| 18:02:22 | angry | NeoTron: ping! |
| 18:02:25 | Shayde | not sure how fast i could actually type on the little internal kb. |
| 18:02:35 | Shayde | x2x? |
| 18:02:43 | jmhodges | is away: errands haircut etc |
| 18:02:43 | scan[ibook] | if you're running X on the zaurus :) |
| 18:02:58 | Shayde | mm. but theres a vnc server out, i'd just use that. |
| 18:03:04 | scan[ibook] | oh yeah.. there's x2vnc |
| 18:03:13 | | NeoTron was last seen on #zaurus 11 hours, 30 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: I broke sound fx loading in Strategic Assault, probably in version 1.8.4 [Tue Sep 3 07:32:14 2002] |
| 18:03:13 | angry | ibot, seen NeoTron |
| 18:03:17 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 26 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: treke: wow, they did? I'm surprised. Guess they couldn't make money off it. :P [Tue Sep 3 18:36:35 2002] |
| 18:03:17 | angry | ibot, seen Neo|Work |
| 18:03:32 | scan[ibook] | with x2x/x2vnc/x2pgui you can move your mouse off the edge of the screen and it appears on the Zaurus, same with keyboard focus |
| 18:03:41 | Shayde | right, i've used x2vnc... |
| 18:03:49 | Shayde | mostly to share my windows box from my X desktop. |
| 18:03:52 | Neo|Work | angry: pong? |
| 18:03:59 | scan[ibook] | though wihtout a cursor on the zaurus x2vnc wouldn't work too well... |
| 18:04:12 | Neo|Work | angry: and always ask Sugar - she is in more of the places I am |
| 18:04:20 | Shayde | *nodnod* no cursor? well, i fyou translated pointer motion into touches on the screen, you could do it. |
| 18:04:23 | Neo|Work | and also, msg me and i Get a popup window that beeps... |
| 18:04:33 | Wembly | how does the mouse appear on the zaurus? |
| 18:05:01 | Shayde | well, if you're using x2x, you don't see the zaurus screen. oh. hmm. okay, right. duh. this isn't a zaurus screen in a window on your desktop... hmm. |
| 18:05:14 | Shayde | you'd need a floating pointer. maybe the vncserver can muck something up 8) |
| 18:05:21 | scan[ibook] | does Qtopia support cursors? |
| 18:05:22 | Shayde | actually |
| 18:05:25 | Shayde | wait... back up :) |
| 18:05:32 | Shayde | is getting ahead. |
| 18:05:36 | scan[ibook] | I like the way I handled it in picogui.. x2pgui just allocates its own cursor and moves it around :) |
| 18:05:55 | Neo|Work | obviously qtopia can have cursors because the SDK/qvfb has them |
| 18:06:03 | scan[ibook] | k |
| 18:06:04 | Shayde | anyone used QPose? one of my big criteria is being able to play some of my more addictive games from the Palm world... how good is QPose or, failing that, XCopilot? |
| 18:06:23 | angry | ahh Neo|Work; i was having some problems installing rocketelite on the sharp rom |
| 18:06:31 | Neo|Work | I think both are too slow but I haven't tried neither |
| 18:06:41 | Neo|Work | angry: enough free space?! |
| 18:06:45 | JasonNJ | uch I am so sick. |
| 18:06:50 | angry | think os |
| 18:06:52 | angry | *so |
| 18:06:53 | angry | let me try again |
| 18:06:54 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: wassup? |
| 18:06:56 | angry | and i'll have what it says |
| 18:07:00 | Neo|Work | angry: internal or SD/Cf? |
| 18:07:07 | JasonNJ | neo: got the flu, but had to go to work today |
| 18:07:08 | Neo|Work | and run qinstall from the shell too |
| 18:07:13 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: yikes |
| 18:07:22 | warmi | Shayde: Qpose is slow to the point of being hardly usable |
| 18:07:22 | JasonNJ | been sick all labor day weekend since friday |
| 18:07:31 | JasonNJ | I have that cold sweat thing going |
| 18:07:40 | Shayde | warm: ung. how about XCopilot? |
| 18:07:43 | Shayde | that's not good :( |
| 18:07:44 | scan[ibook] | ah, much better |
| 18:07:45 | angry | i've got libflac and config installed |
| 18:07:46 | angry | and it says |
| 18:07:52 | angry | "ipkg says something went wrong. Sorry" |
| 18:08:00 | angry | this is trying to install to CF card |
| 18:08:01 | warmi | Shayde: never tried XCopilot |
| 18:08:10 | Shayde | *noddity* |
| 18:08:10 | angry | but it also said the same trying to install to RAM |
| 18:08:19 | warmi | but I understand it can emulate only b&w models |
| 18:08:56 | angry | oh from the shell |
| 18:08:57 | angry | alrighty |
| 18:09:10 | Shayde | really? i think qpose can do both. |
| 18:09:16 | Shayde | read it a few ago. sec. |
| 18:09:40 | angry | what's the command i need to type |
| 18:09:46 | oGMo | hmm anyone tried xmms? |
| 18:09:48 | oGMo | this mail on the list looks very promising |
| 18:09:57 | Shayde | i saw xmms recently on the software dir list. |
| 18:10:03 | Shayde | gonna be one of the things i try first :) |
| 18:10:25 | Shayde | bbiafe.w |
| 18:10:33 | oGMo | yeah, apparently 0.0000002 or whatever uses only a few % of the CPU for playing stuff, i'm wondering if that's right or if this guy measured wrong ;) |
| 18:10:36 | Ksd | it's the first time i start-up my Z and i get "ERROR: /usr/sharp/etc/launch.conf can not open file INIT: ld "ln" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" |
| 18:10:47 | Shayde | ew. |
| 18:10:57 | oGMo | whoa and it looks like they just released a fixed-point ogg decoder |
| 18:10:58 | oGMo | nifty |
| 18:11:03 | kergoth | Ksd: full reseet. |
| 18:11:21 | Shayde | (and, on the cooler bits, having the Doom port is gonna rock :) |
| 18:11:30 | oGMo | oh, it's thecompany's |
| 18:11:38 | kergoth | oGMo: ? |
| 18:11:51 | oGMo | err s/c/k |
| 18:11:56 | kergoth | whats thekompany's? |
| 18:12:06 | oGMo | kergoth: this fixed-point ogg decoder i see on slashdot |
| 18:12:09 | kergoth | no, its not |
| 18:12:26 | oGMo | er, oh, i can read, really |
| 18:12:49 | Wembly | hahahaha |
| 18:13:02 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 18:13:15 | tux_mike | i opened my mouse, and now i have an extra part |
| 18:13:23 | Ksd | kergoth: what should i do? |
| 18:13:51 | kergoth | Ksd: i just told you. full reset. |
| 18:13:58 | kergoth | Ksd: (read the manual) |
| 18:14:06 | kergoth | tux_mike: oh i hate that |
| 18:14:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:14:25 | Ksd | kergoth: thanks |
| 18:14:31 | chayim | kergoth: can I ask you a Q about openz and my wireless card? |
| 18:14:37 | kergoth | chayim: feel free |
| 18:14:50 | tux_mike | but it works fine :)... it's a little spring (one similar to the ones in floppy disk windows) and the only place i can think of it coming from is the wheel |
| 18:15:22 | chayim | kergoth: as I ranted yesterday at zaurus-general the damned thing keeps a. losing my SD card and b. can't get an IP with my wireless card (smc2642w). |
| 18:15:41 | VerxWork | kergoth: What is the status of the jffs2 code in OZ? |
| 18:15:45 | VerxWork | just curious |
| 18:15:46 | bipolar | is patently waiting for tcKapital to have syncing support with the desktop version.... |
| 18:16:06 | BigBoss | bipolar: that will be after the 1.0 release of Kapital which is gonna be the end of this week |
| 18:16:11 | mark | hi bipolar :) |
| 18:16:18 | kergoth | chayim: what does "losing my sd card" mean? |
| 18:16:19 | kergoth | chayim: heh |
| 18:16:37 | angry | thats messed up |
| 18:16:39 | kergoth | chayim: on the wireless.. you're on 2.9.5.5 i assume? |
| 18:16:50 | chayim | kergoth: randomly the sd card "dissapears" from the z, it isn't mounted, and mount can't do anything |
| 18:16:56 | kergoth | VerxWork: same as it was last night, no time |
| 18:16:59 | angry | i say ipkg install (rocketelite bla bla) -dest /mnt/cf and it tries to install it to the RAM |
| 18:17:02 | chayim | kergoth: yup, latest OZ with the zImage-32 |
| 18:17:07 | kergoth | chayim: no idea.. we use the same module, and the same daemon as sharp |
| 18:17:07 | VerxWork | kergoth: Okie. :) |
| 18:17:08 | angry | and then it doesnt have enough memory to do that |
| 18:17:12 | kergoth | chayim: and I have no source, so I cant debug |
| 18:17:22 | VerxWork | kergoth: How was your weekend? |
| 18:17:29 | chayim | kergoth: I was afraid of that, but it's really the wireless that's the bigger kicker. |
| 18:17:33 | kergoth | chayim: does iwconfig wlan0 show the right config info? essid, etc? |
| 18:17:35 | ibz | greetings all |
| 18:17:44 | kergoth | chayim: using wep? |
| 18:17:49 | angry | is this syntax correct: |
| 18:17:56 | kergoth | VerxWork: quite good thanks, was a nice break... you? |
| 18:17:56 | chayim | kergoth: yuppers. and I try to manually set it using ifconfig/iwconfig (no wep) |
| 18:18:05 | angry | ipkg install rocketeliteblabla.ipk -dest /mnt/cf |
| 18:18:05 | angry | ? |
| 18:18:12 | VerxWork | kergoth: I painted the weekend away |
| 18:18:15 | VerxWork | but the bedroom/master bath look nice |
| 18:18:15 | VerxWork | :) |
| 18:18:19 | kergoth | angry: if you do that you'll have to manually symlink everything |
| 18:18:24 | kergoth | VerxWork: ahh nice |
| 18:18:38 | angry | kergoth: how do i make it automatically symlink |
| 18:18:38 | kybu | hm is somebody trying to do emu for ti-89? |
| 18:18:44 | kolla | angry: you make a "dest cf /mnt/cf" in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 18:18:55 | kergoth | kolla: that isnt going to help him |
| 18:19:05 | kergoth | angry: ipkg doesnt symlink, qinstall does. |
| 18:19:10 | kolla | and use "ipkg install blarb.ipkg -d cf |
| 18:19:12 | kolla | " |
| 18:19:21 | kolla | kergoth: sounds like what he wants though |
| 18:19:22 | kergoth | thatll work, but you still have to manually symlink everything |
| 18:19:27 | bipolar | BigBoss: cool |
| 18:19:32 | chayim | kergoth: what about running the opie-oipkg on qtopia, would that properly make all the symlinks, etc.? |
| 18:19:33 | bipolar | mark: hiya |
| 18:19:36 | kergoth | no, he wants ipkg to be able to symlink on its own when doing that |
| 18:19:39 | chayim | kergoth: or would I have to update ipkg as well? |
| 18:19:41 | kolla | nah, make a bigger path |
| 18:19:45 | kolla | :) |
| 18:19:54 | kergoth | chayim: not sure if oipkg will be happy with a shell ipkg or not.. |
| 18:19:58 | kergoth | chayim: never tested |
| 18:20:13 | angry | the package installer (with GUI) doesnt tell me much of what it did while installing |
| 18:20:18 | chayim | kergoth: but does the openz ipkg (the c one) use the same ipkg db and format? |
| 18:20:21 | angry | and it doesnt seem to be trying to install to CF when i tell him |
| 18:20:27 | bipolar | kergoth: I doubt it would work |
| 18:20:55 | kergoth | angry: i know. but i'm telling you, if you install with cmdline ipkg, you *will* have to manually symlink every installed file |
| 18:21:03 | angry | ahh okay |
| 18:21:18 | angry | but do you have any idea what i'm doing so that it wont install to my cf card? |
| 18:21:20 | kergoth | chayim: yes, but different syntax and output when using the ipkg command |
| 18:21:26 | kergoth | angry: not offhand |
| 18:21:27 | kolla | a typically a oneliner in the shell |
| 18:22:03 | chayim | kergoth: hm.. so if I install the ipkg from openz and the opikg prior to any packages on my z I should be a winner? |
| 18:22:14 | chayim | kergoth: sorry to load you up, but about that wlan card? |
| 18:22:19 | kergoth | chayim: in theory, yeah |
| 18:22:35 | kergoth | chayim: wlan, i see no reason why it woulndt work. does it work if you manually set it up iwth iwconfig and ifconfig? |
| 18:22:35 | bipolar | BigBoss: I'm VERY excited to see kapital with syncing. I think it will be a killer app for you. |
| 18:23:08 | chayim | kergoth: nope, that's the part that just bugs me. It was working to begin with (in OZ), then after another ram flash the card stopped working. |
| 18:23:29 | kergoth | chayim: okay elaborate on 'not working' |
| 18:23:30 | chayim | bipolar : any idea with kapital for the desktop costs? |
| 18:23:39 | kergoth | chayim: does that card have a light on it to show status? |
| 18:23:53 | bipolar | chayim: just go to thekompany.com |
| 18:24:07 | chayim | kergoth: I've given it full info (ip, netmask, router, broadcast), the light show status (solid not blinking which means it's synced to the ap), and I can't ping anything. |
| 18:24:37 | kergoth | chayim: does dmesg show any errors? does ifconfig -a show any tx errors on the wlan0 interface? |
| 18:24:40 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:25:21 | chayim | finds the cost of kapital to be $24.99 |
| 18:25:29 | chayim | kergoth: no tx errors |
| 18:25:33 | BigBoss | chayim: it is $25 |
| 18:25:49 | chayim | BigBoss : $0.01? |
| 18:25:53 | bipolar | already owns Kapital.... |
| 18:26:13 | BigBoss | i'm missing something - is someone asking me a question? |
| 18:26:18 | BigBoss | it's $24.95 actually |
| 18:28:51 | kergoth | chayim: does arp -a on the Z show the mac address of the machine you tried to ping? |
| 18:29:33 | tux_mike | archives his mail |
| 18:29:36 | tux_mike | too much mail |
| 18:29:43 | JasonNJ | killefiz: you there: |
| 18:30:04 | chayim | kergoth: don't have the z in front of me so I don't know, but I'll double-check @ home. Everything else was from my memory, and initial tests. |
| 18:30:14 | kergoth | chayim: ah gotcha. hm. |
| 18:30:23 | chayim | kergoth: sorry mate. |
| 18:30:36 | kergoth | np. thanks for the information |
| 18:30:43 | chayim | kergoth: have you ever heard of anyone with my SD problem (even on qtopia)? It's started happening on 1.38 as well. |
| 18:30:45 | kergoth | chayim: thats a prism 2.5 card right? |
| 18:30:59 | kergoth | chayim: hm, not offhand, no. |
| 18:31:05 | kergoth | i should pick up a mmc or sd caRD |
| 18:31:11 | kergoth | one fo these days |
| 18:31:31 | BigBoss | oh goody, sharp is just today verifying my phone number so they can send my prizes from winning the developer contes |
| 18:31:39 | BigBoss | 3 more months and they should finally be here |
| 18:31:42 | BZFlag | kergoth: get an MMC card, then write a new driver for it in your abundant spare time. ;-) |
| 18:31:50 | tux_mike | bigboss: what are the prizes? |
| 18:31:52 | VerxWork | shawn: What did you win? |
| 18:32:04 | BigBoss | this is from the developer contest we won 3 months ago |
| 18:32:09 | BigBoss | they haven't sent the prizes yet |
| 18:32:14 | VerxWork | right |
| 18:32:14 | kergoth | BZFlag: hah, i'm not foolish enough to start from scratch, i'd swipe the ipaq driver and make it acess it via locomo ;-) |
| 18:32:18 | VerxWork | but do you even know what you won? |
| 18:32:29 | BZFlag | BigBoss: perhaps they are waiting to send you a 5600? ;-) |
| 18:32:38 | tux_mike | yah, i know, but what /were/ they, i never did see everything that you were supposed to win :) |
| 18:32:44 | BZFlag | kergoth: fine w/ me ;-) |
| 18:33:47 | | Ask me about SL-5600 instead |
| 18:33:47 | benmeyerh | ibot 5600 |
| 18:33:53 | | SL-5600 is the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. or the next US model to be released |
| 18:33:53 | benmeyerh | ibot SL-5600 |
| 18:34:10 | benmeyerh | rumoured is the key word :-D |
| 18:34:16 | oGMo | hehe |
| 18:34:47 | oGMo | benmeyerh: you need to make sure that this hypothetical device retains its keyboard if perchance there's something to the rumor ;) |
| 18:35:08 | benmeyerh | I don't have a say in it |
| 18:35:12 | benmeyerh | I am developer support |
| 18:35:21 | oGMo | aww |
| 18:36:10 | ibz | when was the 5500 officially released? Feb 2002? |
| 18:36:26 | benmeyerh | April |
| 18:37:12 | ibz | so presumably theres still a lot of life in 5500 before the 5600 is let out...right? |
| 18:37:17 | benmeyerh | yes |
| 18:37:34 | chayim | ibz: I hope so, I can't spend $500USD each year on my toy. =) |
| 18:37:36 | benmeyerh | the "5600" wont be out for a while if it even exists ;-D |
| 18:38:03 | junxster | is there an ogg player for the Z? :) |
| 18:38:09 | ibz | good, cause am expecting my "tool" next week, and don't want to hear about any 5600 just yet. |
| 18:38:11 | chayim | junxster : tkcplayer |
| 18:38:15 | VerxWork | junxster: tkcPlayer |
| 18:38:37 | benmeyerh | xmms |
| 18:38:45 | tux_mike | ogg123 |
| 18:38:48 | VerxWork | junxster: http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 18:39:12 | mutexer | xmms works on the Z? |
| 18:39:20 | junxster | thx. yeah, they got it working today |
| 18:40:06 | junxster | have you guys seen the article @ /. about xiph.org releasing the ogg fixed-point vorbis decoder under a BSD style license? |
| 18:40:08 | kolla | only works as a command line tool for me, but that's ok :) |
| 18:40:24 | JasonNJ | junxster: yeah, very cool. |
| 18:40:25 | Wembly | junx: yes |
| 18:40:41 | junxster | I think that's killer. :) |
| 18:40:53 | JasonNJ | I'd like to see an ogg ENCODER that worked in fix point |
| 18:40:57 | Wembly | i hope some generic decompressors import it into their code base |
| 18:41:03 | JasonNJ | then we could use the Zaurus as a serious memo recorder. |
| 18:41:10 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: I talked to xiph this morning about it, they aren't going to be doing it |
| 18:41:11 | Wembly | jason: hehe |
| 18:41:13 | junxster | voip :) |
| 18:41:16 | BigBoss | it's been on our list for 6 months to do |
| 18:41:30 | BigBoss | we have the voice recorder app done already (you hear that clone labs |
| 18:41:30 | benmeyerh | voip is already done |
| 18:41:33 | BigBoss | ?) |
| 18:41:37 | junxster | ? |
| 18:41:39 | BigBoss | who is doing voip? |
| 18:41:44 | junxster | echo |
| 18:41:47 | benmeyerh | one of the contest apps |
| 18:41:49 | Wembly | clone labs? |
| 18:41:57 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: forgot the name, but they are sponsored by Cisco |
| 18:42:00 | JasonNJ | its a SIP client |
| 18:42:05 | scanline | is back (gone 03:08:35) |
| 18:42:08 | Wembly | spiffy |
| 18:43:23 | junxster | that'll be neet |
| 18:43:37 | kolla | voip? what a waste :) |
| 18:43:55 | chayim | wants a cisco vpn client for his zaurus to connect to work from home. |
| 18:44:01 | angry | lol voIP on the Z? |
| 18:44:09 | angry | who the fark has enough bandwidth for that |
| 18:44:17 | angry | err maybe you could use wlan |
| 18:44:24 | Wembly | or just usb :) |
| 18:44:26 | Wembly | hehe |
| 18:44:28 | Cloudchaser | vpn would be nice |
| 18:44:28 | Wembly | thatd be spiffy |
| 18:44:29 | chayim | angry : well there's that OC3 I keep plugged into my head at all times. |
| 18:44:33 | Wembly | plug in usb and then plug in a wlan. |
| 18:44:35 | angry | hehe |
| 18:44:50 | angry | id rather just carry around a cell phone |
| 18:44:52 | Wembly | and then wander about and put it in its little docking station etc. |
| 18:44:55 | benmeyerh | vpn is also a contest entry |
| 18:45:01 | junxster | 11mb wireless in a small location, could be very nice. Actually, i've been playing doom all day on my Z. :) |
| 18:45:04 | chayim | Cloudchaser : have you seen one b/c I'm getting sick of ssh -L |
| 18:45:08 | angry | i should write a zaurus cluster app |
| 18:45:12 | Cloudchaser | no i haven't |
| 18:45:14 | Wembly | hahaha |
| 18:45:21 | Wembly | angry: a zaurus cluster app? |
| 18:45:22 | Wembly | omg hhe |
| 18:45:23 | chayim | benmeyerh : any idea when it'll be released (VPN app). |
| 18:45:27 | kolla | benmeyerh: any qpe replacements on that contest? :) |
| 18:45:32 | benmeyerh | no |
| 18:45:34 | angry | ;) |
| 18:45:38 | benmeyerh | up to the developer |
| 18:45:40 | kolla | typical aint it :) |
| 18:45:43 | benmeyerh | but expect by the 13th |
| 18:45:52 | chayim | benmeyerh : if you tell me who it is I'll happily bug them! |
| 18:45:53 | BigBoss | one of our guys already ported distcc to the zaurus |
| 18:45:54 | Wembly | what would be coolie is a zaurus adhoc wireless cluster computer |
| 18:45:54 | Cloudchaser | i'm looking for nice termal app for consoling into cisco equipment |
| 18:45:57 | Cloudchaser | that logs |
| 18:46:01 | Cloudchaser | like a gui minicom |
| 18:46:10 | Cloudchaser | but no one is interested in selling that |
| 18:46:11 | Wembly | bring two zaurus within range and suddenly they form a cluster computer ;) |
| 18:46:27 | benmeyerh | Cloudchaser: someone is making that |
| 18:46:30 | Cloudchaser | i had a nice one for my jornada |
| 18:46:33 | chayim | Cloudchaser : have you tried looking for a java app to do that? |
| 18:46:33 | benmeyerh | will be done soon |
| 18:46:39 | chouimat | benmeyerh: do you know if the z for the last week approved have been shipped? |
| 18:46:42 | Cloudchaser | oh yay!!! |
| 18:46:42 | junxster | bring a pc in range, and the Z offloads processing to a bigger macheen |
| 18:46:47 | benmeyerh | ask spider |
| 18:46:55 | Cloudchaser | benmeyerh: how bout a trim serial cable! |
| 18:47:00 | Cloudchaser | or trim modem cable |
| 18:47:07 | Wembly | junxster: problem... |
| 18:47:07 | chayim | benmeyerh : any idea when the mad qtopia changes will be made? I really want to be able to toss my document tab. |
| 18:47:07 | Cloudchaser | so we can open up our keyboards |
| 18:47:12 | Wembly | junxster: differnt architectures. |
| 18:47:26 | Neo|Work | fucking hell |
| 18:47:32 | Wembly | junxster: unless your talking about a bigger arm machine :) |
| 18:47:34 | benmeyerh | I use the foobar tool also known as razor blade. |
| 18:47:39 | kolla | anyone manage to actually play mp3 with xmms on z? here it's madly jerking |
| 18:47:39 | junxster | Wembly: yah, but... yah :) |
| 18:47:56 | Neo|Work | I just posted Bust'em Japanese and it was fine. then it got fscked up on visavis.handango.com (not displayed correctly) and now it's gone |
| 18:48:04 | Cloudchaser | kolla: i use tkcplayer with ogg |
| 18:48:07 | Cloudchaser | plays great |
| 18:48:13 | Neo|Work | handango so sucks |
| 18:48:30 | Neo|Work | why oh why did sharp go with Handango? :-( |
| 18:48:33 | kolla | Cloudchaser: not quite the answer I was looking for :) |
| 18:48:34 | ljp_work | how so, neo? |
| 18:48:48 | BigBoss | Neo|Work: we should have a replacement in about 8 weeks |
| 18:48:56 | bipolar | uhoh.... 92K left when doing an ipkg upgrade is bad..... ouche |
| 18:48:57 | kolla | I do know how to play mp3s fine on the Z, just wanted to know from people who have tried xmms wether it works for them |
| 18:49:09 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: they are nothing but trouble |
| 18:49:20 | ljp_work | what did they do this time? |
| 18:49:23 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: main problem is that the traffic / exposure you get from Handango |
| 18:49:27 | bipolar | waits for his Z to crash.... |
| 18:49:40 | mark | BigBoss: seriously? from who? |
| 18:49:44 | Neo|Work | unless you can get Sharp to switch to you, it's not going to get rid of the need for Handango to get sales |
| 18:49:52 | Harlekin | hi |
| 18:49:57 | ljp_work | is still waiting a reissued check from handango |
| 18:50:01 | chayim | Harlekin : hey! |
| 18:50:09 | Harlekin | hi chayim |
| 18:50:10 | whardier | kicks ljp |
| 18:50:10 | kolla | kergoth: any idea when I can hope for ppp over irda to work with OZ? :) |
| 18:50:14 | whardier | kicks ljp_work as well |
| 18:50:25 | whardier | kicks ljp again.. jsut so ljp_work gets kicked when he goes home |
| 18:50:31 | benmeyerh | kolla: as soon as I get some 8&(*& time :-D |
| 18:50:32 | kergoth | kolla: it should work as soon as you install pppd. but the gui wont be in place until the netsetup rewrite is done |
| 18:50:43 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:50:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:50:54 | kolla | I havent found a single precompiled pppd that didnt end up in dependicy blarb :) |
| 18:50:54 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: I'm trying to get the Japanese bust'em posted on the japanese site |
| 18:50:57 | BigBoss | Neo|Work: well, we will offer it as a 25% flat fee and do what we can to build it up |
| 18:50:58 | ljp_work | throws a keg of beer on whardier |
| 18:51:02 | Neo|Work | and first the text was incorrect and now it's gone |
| 18:51:03 | whardier | WOOT! |
| 18:51:09 | whardier | Augh.. the tap is too far away |
| 18:51:13 | BZFlag | wonders what sharp is planning about the mp3 client fees. |
| 18:51:13 | whardier | somebody geddit! |
| 18:51:14 | chayim | BigBoss : I'm sorry, build what up? |
| 18:51:18 | mark | BigBoss: paying people by check? |
| 18:51:18 | whardier | BZFlag ! |
| 18:51:22 | kergoth | kolla: -force-depends is your friend |
| 18:51:29 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: that's barely better than handango though, for ppl with my sales. :P |
| 18:51:33 | JasonNJ | bz: good question |
| 18:51:39 | ljp_work | 25%.. isnt that a bit high? |
| 18:51:53 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: is is being discussed? |
| 18:51:58 | BigBoss | since handango is 30% to 50%, it seems reasonable, we will probably start at 20% though |
| 18:52:02 | kolla | isnt there just some binary I can grab and assume to be working? |
| 18:52:04 | BigBoss | gotta see what the infrastructre costs are |
| 18:52:08 | kolla | dont need no ipkg |
| 18:52:11 | BZFlag | BigBoss: what are your plans re the mp3 fees? |
| 18:52:11 | JasonNJ | bigboss: not over here |
| 18:52:13 | tux_mike | ... THe french howtos are 40M.... |
| 18:52:21 | tux_mike | in suse |
| 18:52:28 | kergoth | kolla: grab the pppd binary from the debian arm tree |
| 18:52:33 | kolla | ok |
| 18:53:04 | BigBoss | BZFlag: the mp3 licenses has been the same for the last 9 or more months, it's just that people finally noticed it the other day. I've been telling people about it for ages. |
| 18:53:28 | BZFlag | ok, and what are your plans? |
| 18:53:29 | ljp_work | hasn't gotten a reply yet from Thompson about free gpl projects using mp3 codecs |
| 18:53:37 | chayim | tux_mike : tu dois oublier francais, c'est une langue morte. <g>. |
| 18:54:19 | benmeyerh | when did 2.38 come out? |
| 18:54:31 | benmeyerh | early august? |
| 18:55:01 | chayim | benmeyerh : yup. |
| 18:55:19 | chouimat | chayim: je te conseil: d'aller chier |
| 18:55:24 | tux_mike | chayim: nan desu ka? wakarimasen. |
| 18:55:54 | chayim | chouimat : alors le probleme c'est pas la langue, cela des policiers de la languge francais. |
| 18:56:07 | scanline | is away: becoming less unclean (clothes, self) |
| 18:56:12 | chayim | tux_mike : yo no esta hablas japonais, hablas espanol? |
| 18:56:13 | chouimat | chayim: mets en |
| 18:56:23 | chayim | chouimat : quoi? |
| 18:56:33 | whardier | 1337 |
| 18:56:48 | tux_mike | un poco |
| 18:56:49 | chouimat | chayim: c'est vrai |
| 18:56:52 | tux_mike | i think :) |
| 18:56:58 | rw2 | I'm trying to update to the 2.9.5.5 oz, but when I do the c-d-hard reset dance the lights only come on for about a second and then the z doesn't boot. Anyone seen this? |
| 18:57:03 | ljp_work | quebec! |
| 18:57:04 | tux_mike | that does mean a little, right :) |
| 18:57:06 | angry | je suis le grande Zaurus |
| 18:57:13 | chayim | chouimat : ah bien, je ne connais pas "mets en", c'est idiomatique? |
| 18:57:24 | VerxWork | rw2: You have a CF card that isn't formatted to the Z's liking |
| 18:57:30 | kergoth | rw2: 1) need to format your card, 2) you're hitting more keys than just c+d, 3) corrupt images, 4) didnt rename the imjages |
| 18:57:33 | chayim | tux_mike : yup, but you'd really say pequito <g>. |
| 18:57:37 | VerxWork | rw2: Try mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 18:57:38 | tux_mike | ah |
| 18:57:39 | chouimat | chayim: oui |
| 18:57:39 | ljp_work | rw2: the cf card MUST be formatted with msdos, not vfat |
| 18:57:50 | tux_mike | it's been a long time since spanish one in high school :) |
| 18:57:57 | VerxWork | kergoth: Do you have a hotkey for that response? :) |
| 18:57:59 | rw2 | VerxWork: I was able to copy stuff to it under sharp rom. |
| 18:58:07 | kergoth | rw2: irrelevant |
| 18:58:14 | chayim | chouimat : ah bein. alors j'habite a toronto, je ne parle pas la langue pequiste. <g> |
| 18:58:20 | chayim | tux_mike : mine's rusty as well. |
| 18:58:22 | kergoth | rw2: the cf updater is more picky than the linux support |
| 18:58:23 | rw2 | kergoth: gotcha. I'll try that now |
| 18:58:23 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 18:58:25 | tux_mike | i think i'll take spanish up again after i get a good understanding of japanese. then i was thinking about going to either french or german |
| 18:58:27 | kergoth | k |
| 18:58:31 | chouimat | chayim: hehehe |
| 18:58:34 | kergoth | hey roge99. not bad.. you? |
| 18:58:39 | roge99 | not too bad .... |
| 18:58:42 | chayim | tux_mike : my next langue which be arabic. |
| 18:58:44 | tux_mike | chayim: i can say a few spotty words and phrases |
| 18:58:47 | roge99 | did you ever find out ? |
| 18:58:50 | kergoth | roge99: have a good weekend? |
| 18:58:52 | chayim | tux_mike : in which lang? |
| 18:59:03 | roge99 | yea ... lots a rain ... but that was good |
| 18:59:07 | tux_mike | in spanish |
| 18:59:07 | roge99 | we needed it |
| 18:59:11 | kolla | -rwxr-x--- 1 root dip 236556 Sep 3 20:04 usr/sbin/pppd |
| 18:59:16 | kolla | ok? |
| 18:59:22 | tux_mike | i'm slowly learning japanese |
| 18:59:59 | chayim | debates forwarding his vnc session through the work firewall to display stuff on his z. |
| 19:00:22 | ljp_work | I know about one Japanese word: godzilla :) |
| 19:01:02 | tux_mike | godzilla doesn't even follow the japanese word structure |
| 19:01:13 | angry | im learning german so when the nazis come to power again i can fool them |
| 19:01:13 | junxster | i just told my boss that the best thing about the Z is being able to take a dump and play doom at the same time |
| 19:01:20 | angry | s/when/if |
| 19:01:20 | chayim | angry : he he he |
| 19:01:20 | ljp_work | haha.. I know.. I'm joking |
| 19:01:30 | rw2 | Cool, now my lights are staying lit. Thanks guys |
| 19:01:57 | VerxWork | junxster: ROFL |
| 19:02:59 | junxster | :) |
| 19:03:04 | rw2 | angry: German: Old idea. I went to a play this summer where one of the main characters (a brit) learned French in order to impersonate Napolean and order the army to retreat if they tried to take over the UK. |
| 19:03:34 | rw2 | angry: Pretty funny idea though! It was a good basis for a play! |
| 19:03:50 | VerxWork | it is hilarious |
| 19:04:01 | VerxWork | if I back up my flash memory before I install each and every app |
| 19:04:09 | ljp_work | not like american movies/plays where they have a Franch person using a brooklyn accent |
| 19:04:16 | VerxWork | I never have a problem |
| 19:04:19 | VerxWork | the moment I do an installtion WITHOUT backing up first, it ALWAYS corrupts flash |
| 19:04:20 | VerxWork | I just don't get it |
| 19:04:35 | kergoth | VerxWork: murphy's law |
| 19:04:55 | VerxWork | kergoth: Something like that, yeah |
| 19:05:03 | kolla | pppd: error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:05:05 | angry | rw2: lol, sounds like it |
| 19:05:09 | kolla | and so forth |
| 19:05:53 | kergoth | kolla: ahh either grab pam too, or wait for me to beat pam's buildsystem into submission |
| 19:05:53 | kolla | looks under the carpet for no-nonsense pppd |
| 19:05:59 | BigBoss | So check this out |
| 19:06:03 | rw2 | Ok my lights turned off I put the battery cover back on, switched to normal mode, but now when I try to boot nothing happens. |
| 19:06:19 | BigBoss | some faceless piece of crap goes to the FSF and says we are using GPL code in tkcJabber |
| 19:06:23 | VerxWork | there it went |
| 19:06:29 | VerxWork | installed candy cruncher |
| 19:06:35 | BigBoss | so they send Harlekin to try and get an strace from someone so they can prove what bastards we are |
| 19:06:36 | VerxWork | oops |
| 19:06:37 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 19:06:38 | kolla | kergoth: I bet pam has some requirements to, I'll end up installing debian before anything works :( |
| 19:06:39 | kolla | :) |
| 19:06:39 | Harlekin | VerxWork: thats game looks cute |
| 19:06:41 | BigBoss | but of course they never talk to me |
| 19:06:42 | VerxWork | maybe it survived |
| 19:06:50 | kergoth | googles for murphy's law |
| 19:06:55 | VerxWork | for some reason kergoth |
| 19:06:59 | kergoth | If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. |
| 19:07:03 | treke | question is... what did Harlekin find? |
| 19:07:04 | VerxWork | installing candy cruncher nuked opie |
| 19:07:04 | kergoth | i like that one |
| 19:07:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:07:06 | VerxWork | it crashed |
| 19:07:12 | VerxWork | right to the login prompt |
| 19:07:15 | Harlekin | looks for the "<BigBoss> we did all the codecs ourself" |
| 19:07:17 | kergoth | VerxWork: i install candy cruncher regularly |
| 19:07:18 | Harlekin | in the ibot archive |
| 19:07:20 | BigBoss | treke: Harlekin found nothing because there is nothing to find |
| 19:07:21 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:07:24 | tux_mike | hrm... and the it howtos are 20M... how many howtos do these people need! :) |
| 19:07:29 | Harlekin | treke: i dont have tckjabber |
| 19:07:44 | BigBoss | Harlekin: I don't have to tell you anything or explain anything to you. I told you what I did about the codecs because you were pissing me off |
| 19:07:54 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 19:07:55 | Harlekin | sure |
| 19:07:56 | kolla | VerxWork: well, at least you ended up with a prompt.. I prefer that over a frozen opie :) |
| 19:08:00 | BigBoss | and it doesn't matter because we used lgpl libs for part of it |
| 19:08:03 | bipolar | reflashes.... again.... |
| 19:08:06 | rw2 | Ok my lights turned off I put the battery cover back on, switched to normal mode, but now when I try to boot nothing happens. Anyone know what's up? |
| 19:08:13 | Harlekin | and then suddenly 2 weeks later that staement appeared on the homepage |
| 19:08:17 | Harlekin | but i dont care |
| 19:09:17 | BigBoss | um, no, it was the same day or next day |
| 19:09:26 | BigBoss | the webmaster had an original draft of the web page |
| 19:09:27 | Harlekin | as long as there is no competitor |
| 19:09:28 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:09:36 | BigBoss | but I'm sure you think there is some conspiracy about it |
| 19:09:45 | Harlekin | hey killefiz |
| 19:10:01 | killefiz | hey |
| 19:10:35 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: there is a small bug with rendering in the released CC on the ipaq 3800. off-by-one-row error |
| 19:10:57 | VerxWork | NeoTron: This has NOTHING to do with your program or your ipk |
| 19:11:03 | VerxWork | I think I have some corrupt flash memory |
| 19:11:12 | VerxWork | so any time I install -*ANY*- app on my 5000d |
| 19:11:21 | VerxWork | it is very likely to lock up or corrupt the flash memory |
| 19:11:46 | Neo|Work | the _flash_? or internal memory? |
| 19:11:51 | Neo|Work | as in the ROM? |
| 19:11:53 | VerxWork | flash |
| 19:11:56 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 19:12:00 | Neo|Work | wtf. :P |
| 19:12:03 | VerxWork | so I have to make a backup of my unit |
| 19:12:08 | VerxWork | before I write ANYTHING to flash |
| 19:12:14 | VerxWork | each and every time before a write |
| 19:12:18 | VerxWork | or else I lose everything |
| 19:12:18 | Neo|Work | anyway, the install does do one odd thing - postint launching a readme |
| 19:12:30 | Neo|Work | that'll be removed with the next version since I'm changing it to a zip file |
| 19:12:36 | Neo|Work | like all my other reelases |
| 19:13:08 | VerxWork | well |
| 19:13:16 | VerxWork | I will try to install it again |
| 19:13:24 | VerxWork | I have had to reflash 4 times in the last 30 minutes |
| 19:13:30 | VerxWork | if I can't get it to install |
| 19:13:34 | VerxWork | I am just gonna leave it be |
| 19:13:45 | rw2 | scratch that last problem. I've just booted oz for the first time! |
| 19:13:48 | chayim | VerxWork : that's why I dropped OZ, too many flashed for me. |
| 19:14:02 | VerxWork | chayim: Yeah, it can be bad |
| 19:14:12 | VerxWork | if I just don't even install anything on OZ |
| 19:14:13 | VerxWork | it is nice |
| 19:14:19 | VerxWork | but I keep seeing things I want to install |
| 19:14:20 | VerxWork | :( |
| 19:14:31 | treke | VerxWork: you could always come back to the light.... |
| 19:14:37 | VerxWork | the whole issue is that the jffs2 code in OZ is horribly broken |
| 19:14:44 | VerxWork | treke: ROFL |
| 19:14:49 | VerxWork | yeah, well, I have the light right here |
| 19:14:51 | chayim | VerxWork : I'm waiting it out for a while, I've just been finding it too unstabled. |
| 19:14:53 | VerxWork | a 3650 and a 3850 |
| 19:15:04 | VerxWork | they are both collecting dust for the most part. |
| 19:15:06 | chayim | VerxWork : if you want s/unstable/unusable |
| 19:15:17 | VerxWork | I thought I would run X on the 3850 |
| 19:15:19 | treke | VerxWork: yeah, from what I've heard the jffs2 code being used is pretty old |
| 19:15:23 | VerxWork | but X on the ipaq is a joke |
| 19:15:42 | VerxWork | treke: Yeah, from the sounds of it, it is surprising the jffs2 code works at ALL |
| 19:15:55 | treke | I kinda wanna try opie on X11 :) |
| 19:16:02 | bipolar | I hear that kergoth is working on updating the kernel. |
| 19:16:16 | treke | bipolar: slowly but surely |
| 19:16:38 | rw2 | so how come darienm told me to save my hancom stuff, it seems to be on the Z after the install anyway? |
| 19:16:38 | kolla | heh, I install like mad on OZ.. is that a problem? |
| 19:17:16 | kergoth | rw2: he probably thought you were installing OZ |
| 19:17:22 | kergoth | rw2: OZ does not include hancom |
| 19:17:26 | kolla | 178 ok installed ipkgs |
| 19:17:28 | rw2 | I was! |
| 19:17:37 | chayim | rw2: but you can download the ipkg from sharp (as I did for my sl5000 |
| 19:17:37 | kergoth | rw2: if you have it after flash, the flash wansst successful |
| 19:17:57 | rw2 | kergoth: Well I've got the opie background. |
| 19:18:11 | rw2 | kergoth: and the open zaurus logo came up during the boot. |
| 19:18:15 | kergoth | rw2: well there is *NO* hancom in OZ |
| 19:18:23 | kergoth | rw2: so i dont know what you're looking at there |
| 19:18:37 | kolla | ghosts :) |
| 19:18:38 | rw2 | kergoth: is there another calendar with the same icon maybe? |
| 19:18:45 | kolla | rw2: ofcourse there is |
| 19:18:51 | rw2 | Oh. |
| 19:18:54 | kolla | hancom didnt make the calendar |
| 19:18:56 | VerxWork | bipolar: kergoth is working on the kernel, but there is only one of him. :( |
| 19:19:32 | [DrEvil] | benmeyerh: can you send me that script you had for making ipks? |
| 19:19:34 | rw2 | So why should I switch back to hancom instead of using the stuff from the oz load? |
| 19:19:41 | Cloudchaser | hey kergoth. after my last reflash, i updated the clipboard and got that issue of excessive app cpu usage |
| 19:19:49 | Cloudchaser | so i installed the one harlekin sent me |
| 19:20:18 | Cloudchaser | and i was wondering if i could get the oipkg ipkg for the version before the one on the feed |
| 19:20:35 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ? |
| 19:20:42 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: oipkg in the feed didnt change since the last one |
| 19:20:55 | kergoth | ipkg probably did.. |
| 19:20:58 | Cloudchaser | hmm ok got some wierd issues |
| 19:21:01 | junxster | Is there any way to make the calendar repeat an appointment every weekday, ie m-f but not sat/sun? |
| 19:21:05 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/old/ |
| 19:21:05 | kergoth | iirc |
| 19:21:36 | Cloudchaser | like the icon shows up next to the package but no words |
| 19:21:47 | kergoth | oh that |
| 19:21:49 | Cloudchaser | and oipkg doesnt' list whats on my card |
| 19:21:56 | kergoth | thats related to the ipk format change. |
| 19:21:57 | Cloudchaser | even though i changed the doclinks |
| 19:22:08 | kergoth | oipkg needed to be fixed to handle the new format |
| 19:22:11 | kergoth | i thought it was fixed |
| 19:22:15 | kergoth | i'll update the feed just in case |
| 19:22:19 | Cloudchaser | thanks |
| 19:22:22 | kergoth | if that doesnt solve it, we add a bug report to mantis |
| 19:22:36 | Cloudchaser | the only things i updated was ipkg, oipkg and busybox |
| 19:23:08 | Cloudchaser | was afraid to do anything else cause it messed me up |
| 19:23:20 | Cloudchaser | and i didn't know which one messed me up |
| 19:24:31 | VerxWork | cloudchaser |
| 19:24:33 | VerxWork | on OZ |
| 19:24:36 | Cloudchaser | yes? |
| 19:24:41 | VerxWork | you -*REALLY*- have to make a backup |
| 19:24:46 | VerxWork | before every single software install |
| 19:24:50 | VerxWork | otherwise it will nuke ya |
| 19:25:00 | bipolar | kergoth: have you heard of any usbd problems on a freshly flashed system? |
| 19:25:04 | Cloudchaser | soon as there's a backup program i will |
| 19:25:05 | VerxWork | it is still a pain with the backup |
| 19:25:08 | VerxWork | but it is a lot better |
| 19:25:16 | VerxWork | Cloudchaser: Use the dd line I showed you |
| 19:25:17 | Cloudchaser | i tried the one on zsi but it didn't work |
| 19:25:19 | VerxWork | works great for me |
| 19:25:22 | Cloudchaser | i did verx |
| 19:25:24 | Cloudchaser | it didn't |
| 19:25:30 | Cloudchaser | it got my flash back |
| 19:25:32 | bipolar | kergoth: I can't seem to get usbd up no matter what I do. |
| 19:25:46 | Cloudchaser | but the eject icon was messed up and a couple other things |
| 19:25:56 | VerxWork | well |
| 19:26:00 | VerxWork | if those things were messed up |
| 19:26:05 | VerxWork | they were messed up when you did the backup |
| 19:26:10 | Cloudchaser | nope |
| 19:26:12 | VerxWork | the dd command makes a flawless image of your flash |
| 19:26:24 | VerxWork | so if you had rebooted before making the backup |
| 19:26:31 | VerxWork | you would have had a messed up eject icon too |
| 19:26:36 | VerxWork | without restoring from the backup |
| 19:27:04 | Cloudchaser | i didn't, |
| 19:27:04 | chayim | leaves for a spell. |
| 19:27:19 | Cloudchaser | i don't know what was wrong |
| 19:27:34 | Cloudchaser | so since i had already reflashed just a short time ago, i started all over |
| 19:27:42 | VerxWork | NeoTron: xsystem: ERROR: Child process died due to signal 11: /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/candycruncher.postinst |
| 19:28:33 | scanline | is back (gone 00:32:25) |
| 19:29:09 | kergoth | VerxWork: sig11 is usually out of memory |
| 19:29:17 | kergoth | VerxWork: or failing hardware (i.e. cpu overheat, etc) |
| 19:29:28 | kergoth | iirc |
| 19:29:28 | VerxWork | kergoth: Hrm |
| 19:29:32 | VerxWork | perhaps that is my issue then |
| 19:29:35 | VerxWork | running out of RAM |
| 19:29:35 | kergoth | google it |
| 19:29:54 | VerxWork | man, sure wish I could get a 31.5/0.5 image |
| 19:29:59 | VerxWork | then I would have plenty of RAM |
| 19:30:09 | VerxWork | kergoth: Is that something I could do myself/ |
| 19:30:09 | VerxWork | ? |
| 19:30:13 | bipolar | 's host usb subsystem has crashed.... |
| 19:30:29 | bipolar | bbiab |
| 19:30:40 | Neo|Work | kergoth: out of memory, I doubt it |
| 19:30:50 | Neo|Work | well, out of memory and buggy programming yes |
| 19:30:57 | Neo|Work | but it sounds more like memory / hardware error |
| 19:31:06 | kergoth | and bad hardware :-) |
| 19:31:06 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:31:40 | kolla | oggs another CD before leaving |
| 19:31:41 | VerxWork | NeoTron: I am constantly having trouble - I think my hardware is partially bad |
| 19:31:50 | junxster | Has anyone had a stylus break? I dropped my friends stylus (no more than 3 feet) and the tip broke off of it. now i have to buy him another... any ideas? |
| 19:32:19 | kolla | glue? :) |
| 19:32:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:32:39 | JasonNJ | I think we are selling packs of styli on Sharpplace.com |
| 19:32:45 | JasonNJ | myzaurus.com |
| 19:32:57 | junxster | excellent |
| 19:33:02 | VerxWork | has yet to use the Z stylus for ANYTHING except to hit the reset button |
| 19:33:16 | treke | VerxWork: what do you use? |
| 19:33:33 | kolla | junxster: also, palm stylus for old palm-III arent that different :) |
| 19:33:36 | Shayde | fingertip i assume :) |
| 19:33:49 | VerxWork | treke: I have a cross pen that has a stylus/gel ink pen |
| 19:33:55 | treke | ah |
| 19:33:57 | VerxWork | I have it with me at all times |
| 19:34:09 | VerxWork | been using it since my Handspring Visor Prism days |
| 19:34:09 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:34:19 | kergoth | VerxWork: oh i like those. need to buy another |
| 19:34:19 | kolla | the problem is all the ink on the display :) |
| 19:34:30 | VerxWork | rofl |
| 19:34:31 | VerxWork | no |
| 19:34:33 | kergoth | VerxWork: I carried it on me as a compact pen even if i didnt have my zaurus on me |
| 19:34:34 | VerxWork | one end is a pen |
| 19:34:37 | VerxWork | the other end is a stylus |
| 19:34:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:34:55 | VerxWork | kergoth: What happened to your first one? |
| 19:34:56 | VerxWork | lose it? |
| 19:35:08 | Shayde | mmmm. prisms. |
| 19:35:15 | treke | could never use one of those |
| 19:35:17 | Shayde | my prism had a broken case and a broken backlight right now. |
| 19:35:17 | treke | I'm horrible with pens :) |
| 19:35:18 | kergoth | VerxWork: naw i sold my 5000d, but didnt have my original stylus anymore, so i included that onne |
| 19:35:19 | Shayde | works though. |
| 19:35:22 | VerxWork | NeoTron: Still no ideas on how to get rid of the icon from the runlist on opie? |
| 19:35:30 | VerxWork | kergoth: Ahhh |
| 19:36:47 | VerxWork | well |
| 19:36:53 | VerxWork | I think I am gonna sell some stuff on ebay |
| 19:36:53 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: I do. Install Qtopia from Sharp |
| 19:36:56 | kolla | runlist? |
| 19:37:06 | kgbudz | i have some scripts that use lynx, how do i convert to work on z |
| 19:37:09 | VerxWork | and buy myself a CF wireless card with the money from it |
| 19:37:42 | kolla | what icon? runlist? huh? |
| 19:37:50 | BZFlag | kgbudz: convert them to use wget instead? |
| 19:38:03 | kgbudz | i need to post to a page |
| 19:38:09 | VerxWork | NeoTron: Yeah yeah. :( I have 60 applications installed on my Z. Your apps are the only ones that have this problem. |
| 19:38:10 | junxster | :( no stylii on sharpplace.com or myzaurus.com |
| 19:38:13 | numatrix | VerxWork: I like my space pen/stylus combo. |
| 19:38:18 | Shayde | verz: whatcha sellin? |
| 19:38:26 | Shayde | yah, i need to unload a bunch of older stuff. |
| 19:38:49 | kolla | what apps? |
| 19:39:08 | VerxWork | Shayde: Visor Prism cradle, springboard card that lets you use CF cards on the handspring units, an Atari Lynx in original packaging with several games (in their original packaging) |
| 19:39:11 | VerxWork | stuff like that |
| 19:39:24 | Shayde | woo. i hav ea lynx :) |
| 19:39:31 | Shayde | i have maybe 30 carts for it too. |
| 19:39:43 | Shayde | every once in a while i bring it out, plug it in, and play APB or the like. |
| 19:39:48 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: it |
| 19:39:48 | VerxWork | heh |
| 19:39:53 | VerxWork | yeah shayde, me too |
| 19:39:58 | VerxWork | but I have grown tired of it |
| 19:40:01 | VerxWork | would rather just sell it |
| 19:40:03 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: to the best of my knowledge it's a combination with bugs in Sharp Qtopia and in OPIE |
| 19:40:08 | Shayde | need a Lynx emulator for the Z. 8D |
| 19:40:20 | Shayde | i'm keeping it around for my son to play with in 5 years :) |
| 19:40:22 | Neo|Work | and I have no fricking way of testing it in OPIE so I can't easily experiment to find a workaround |
| 19:40:25 | numatrix | VerxWork: check this one out: http://www.styluscentral.com/fisspacpentr.html |
| 19:40:48 | VerxWork | Shayde: They have a lynx emulator for wince, but it is too slow to be usable |
| 19:40:48 | Shayde | sorry, newbie question from soemone who doestn' have a Z yet. "OPIE"? |
| 19:40:53 | Shayde | yuk. *nod* |
| 19:41:07 | Neo|Work | OPIE is a fork of Qtopia |
| 19:41:17 | Neo|Work | Qtopia being the Qt-based environment used in the Zaurus |
| 19:41:20 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 19:41:20 | kergoth | ibot: opie? |
| 19:41:44 | VerxWork | NeoTron: You can't install OZ on your Z? |
| 19:41:45 | tux_mike | ok, them folks at suse thought of everything to put into the distro |
| 19:41:45 | Shayde | woof. okay, i knew i had heard of it before. thanks. |
| 19:42:15 | Cloudchaser | hey does anyone have synching with the new linux qtopia desktop? |
| 19:42:25 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: I can but that's a hassle. Open Zaurus I guess |
| 19:42:26 | bipolar | Cloudchaser: yes |
| 19:42:30 | Cloudchaser | and tkc addressbook? |
| 19:42:37 | Neo|Work | and it would require me zapping a Sharp rom. :P |
| 19:42:39 | VerxWork | NeoTron: Yeah, that's what I meant - open zaurus |
| 19:42:43 | Shayde | so... opie lets me build qtopia based apps on other platforms - the apps are portable? |
| 19:42:44 | VerxWork | would let you see what the problem is |
| 19:42:46 | Shayde | (the built apps) |
| 19:42:46 | Cloudchaser | and calendar |
| 19:42:47 | Neo|Work | get me an ipaq and I'll do it. :)) |
| 19:43:01 | VerxWork | NeoTron: Heh. The problem exists on the Z |
| 19:43:05 | VerxWork | as well as the iPAQ |
| 19:43:10 | Neo|Work | actually, if I could afford it I'd get a 3800 since it uses different rotation |
| 19:43:20 | Neo|Work | The problem doesn't exist in my environments. ;-) |
| 19:43:21 | Cloudchaser | i could with sharp rom and qt desktop 1.5 |
| 19:43:31 | VerxWork | well neo |
| 19:43:31 | treke | Neo|Work: Try compiling it for x86? |
| 19:43:38 | Neo|Work | that said, Ben Meyer's apps (or one of them at least) doesn't exit correctly |
| 19:43:45 | VerxWork | I would buy some of your products if this was fixed |
| 19:43:46 | jmhodges | hola |
| 19:43:47 | VerxWork | but as it is, I haven't bought a single app |
| 19:43:49 | Neo|Work | treke: I suppose that might work |
| 19:43:53 | bipolar | kergoth: OZ's sshd complains about "/var/empty" not existing. |
| 19:44:11 | kergoth | bipolar: why doesnt it exist? |
| 19:44:11 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: well, sucks to be me then, suffering from crappy environments |
| 19:44:25 | treke | Neo|Work: might need to stub out any asm portions, but it would probably suffice to figure out the quit problems |
| 19:44:28 | Neo|Work | but then again, I don't support OPIE officially because I don't have a testing environment |
| 19:44:28 | kergoth | bipolar: i should have the postinst scripts create it i suppose. right now its in the var tarball |
| 19:44:36 | kergoth | bipolar: which is *necessary* given /var is a ramdisk |
| 19:44:37 | treke | for what its worth, the launcher does detects apps crashing either |
| 19:44:39 | kergoth | bipolar: heh |
| 19:44:40 | bipolar | kergoth: becouse /var is in ram and it gets rm'ed on reboot? |
| 19:44:48 | kergoth | bipolar: yep |
| 19:44:48 | VerxWork | NeoTron: Not like it would be hard to have a test environment |
| 19:45:01 | VerxWork | NeoTron: It takes 3 minutes to put opie on, and 3 minutes to put the sharp rom back on |
| 19:45:02 | kolla | bipolar: either put /var on disk or fix the var tarball |
| 19:45:04 | warmi | what app are you guys talking about ? |
| 19:45:06 | VerxWork | not too terribly long. . . |
| 19:45:06 | kergoth | bipolar: it gets recreated from /root/.var_default.tar |
| 19:45:14 | kergoth | kolla: the var tarball contains /var/empty. |
| 19:45:20 | bipolar | kergoth: so I'm just going to add 'mkdir /var/empty' to rc.local....heh |
| 19:45:21 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: not counting backing up data and crap. My 5000D uses SD rom |
| 19:45:26 | kergoth | bipolar: no. |
| 19:45:30 | kergoth | bipolar: you need more than that |
| 19:45:35 | bipolar | kergoth: wait.... thats the prob. |
| 19:45:40 | VerxWork | NeoTron: SD rom? |
| 19:45:44 | kergoth | bipolar: are you trying to install it onto the sharp rom or what? |
| 19:45:52 | bipolar | kergoth: I have /root pointing to /mnt/card/root. |
| 19:45:57 | warmi | btw ... I got to get gnuboy working properly with ipaq + OPIE.. |
| 19:46:03 | kergoth | bipolar: /root/.var_default.tar *must* exist |
| 19:46:04 | kolla | kergoth: ok, anyways, fixing the tarball is the general solution on missing entries in /var, but why am I telling you this :) |
| 19:46:10 | kergoth | bipolar: or shit will hit the fan |
| 19:46:10 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: modded ROM that gives me all internal "storage" as memory and uses SD as /home etc |
| 19:46:12 | kergoth | kolla: hehe |
| 19:46:14 | warmi | now I have ipaq so I can test for that wierd rotation on this device |
| 19:46:14 | bipolar | kergoth: heh |
| 19:46:16 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 36 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: hey [Tue Sep 3 20:10:01 2002] |
| 19:46:16 | numatrix | ibot: seen killefiz |
| 19:46:31 | kergoth | bipolar: pcmcia doesnt like the stab path no texisting, for example |
| 19:46:39 | Neo|Work | in reality I probably should upgrade that to OpenZaurus but it's more than just a little work |
| 19:46:40 | VerxWork | NeoTron: So you use the flash memory as memory |
| 19:46:44 | VerxWork | and SD as /home? |
| 19:46:47 | kergoth | bipolar: if you have to, force a reinstall of oz-base |
| 19:46:54 | Neo|Work | it's not FLASH as memory |
| 19:46:58 | Neo|Work | it's memory as memory |
| 19:47:01 | Neo|Work | the internal memory is not flash |
| 19:47:09 | Neo|Work | or the default internal storage |
| 19:47:16 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:47:16 | bzdouglas | ibot ducati? |
| 19:47:18 | Neo|Work | it's volatile memory like sdram or whatever |
| 19:47:19 | bzdougy | supercharged tank (Green):29 (68 wins, 39 losses). rm -r (Red):-10 (29 wins, 39 losses). an African Swallow (Red):-3 (60 wins, 63 losses). chris (Green):-9 (32 wins, 41 losses). |
| 19:47:32 | Shayde | mmm. BZ. |
| 19:47:32 | Neo|Work | which is why you lose all data if you let the battery run down completely |
| 19:47:36 | Shayde | bgflag, rather. |
| 19:47:43 | Neo|Work | (which of course you don't do with the SD ROM |
| 19:47:43 | bzdouglas | hmm it works... |
| 19:47:46 | Shayde | gah. so is there a bzflag for the zauru? :) |
| 19:47:49 | VerxWork | NeoTron: So what do you have in flash memory? |
| 19:47:51 | bzdouglas | nope |
| 19:47:53 | bzdouglas | :( |
| 19:48:03 | Shayde | dang |
| 19:48:03 | bipolar | kergoth: .var_default.tar exists' |
| 19:48:09 | bzdouglas | poof |
| 19:48:24 | kergoth | bipolar: well, then you're not on a recent oz-base package |
| 19:48:30 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: uh. The ROM |
| 19:48:33 | kergoth | bipolar: which includes /var/empty with proper permissions for the new ssh |
| 19:48:42 | VerxWork | NeoTron: But I thought you said the ROM was in SD |
| 19:48:42 | bipolar | kergoth: ok |
| 19:48:44 | VerxWork | oh well |
| 19:48:46 | VerxWork | I am just confused |
| 19:48:47 | Neo|Work | on. /home is SD |
| 19:48:58 | Neo|Work | what is normally in "internal storagE" is on the SD card |
| 19:49:01 | Shayde | hey, has anyone seen a phone module for the zaurus? something that would, i assume, socket into the SD slot? |
| 19:49:13 | bipolar | kergoth: what package is that file in? do you have it in front of you so that you could email it to me? |
| 19:49:35 | kergoth | bipolar: i just told you like 8 times |
| 19:49:37 | kergoth | bipolar: lets try again |
| 19:49:39 | kergoth | bipolar: *oz-base*! |
| 19:49:48 | bipolar | kergoth: thank you..... |
| 19:49:51 | kergoth | np |
| 19:50:11 | kergoth | im at work, dont have much in front of me |
| 19:50:12 | bipolar | thinks kergoth needs a vacation |
| 19:50:17 | bipolar | :) |
| 19:50:25 | Shayde | or some coffee. |
| 19:50:28 | kergoth | agrees |
| 19:50:32 | kergoth | no, definately vacation |
| 19:50:32 | bipolar | or both.... |
| 19:50:33 | kergoth | well |
| 19:50:37 | kergoth | i cut back my coffee intake |
| 19:50:41 | kergoth | so i'm kinda testy atm |
| 19:50:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:50:56 | kergoth | must.. have... stimulants.. |
| 19:50:57 | benmeyerh | hehe cutting back on my soda intake is a no no |
| 19:50:59 | kergoth | drinks his juice |
| 19:51:00 | VerxWork | kergoth: heh |
| 19:51:07 | Shayde | is tryign to cut out a bunch of sugar too. nothing but diet soda today for the first time. |
| 19:51:09 | Shayde | twitches. |
| 19:51:21 | benmeyerh | well diet soda can still have sugar |
| 19:51:22 | VerxWork | has tried to cut out non greasy goods |
| 19:51:23 | kergoth | diet soda tastes like crap |
| 19:51:24 | VerxWork | er, foods |
| 19:51:24 | kergoth | unfortunate |
| 19:51:31 | benmeyerh | yah, but better then water |
| 19:51:37 | benmeyerh | at least that is how I justify it |
| 19:51:57 | Shayde | bah. why is the cdpd modem so friggin huge? and why isn't it a phone? :) |
| 19:52:16 | benmeyerh | licensing, lack for forcite |
| 19:52:22 | benmeyerh | stupidity? |
| 19:52:30 | VerxWork | kergoth: Sorry if I missed it (just checked my lastlog), but is there any way I can make my own 31.5/0.5 zImage? |
| 19:52:32 | benmeyerh | hehe or maybe it is! |
| 19:52:33 | Shayde | misses his visorphone. a bit. |
| 19:53:40 | kergoth | VerxWork: certainly. grab oz cvs. run 'make kernel' to build a 40-24.. and take a look at the 40-24 patch in sources/ .. create a 31.5-0.5 version |
| 19:54:05 | VerxWork | thanks kergoth |
| 19:54:44 | VerxWork | shouldn't I make the changes to make a 31.5-0.5 version before I do a make kernel? |
| 19:55:05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:55:07 | kergoth | that |
| 19:55:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:55:11 | VerxWork | heh |
| 19:56:01 | tux_mike | ok... this download ain't gonna be done till 5AM :) |
| 19:56:27 | kergoth | hah. Nothing can so alienate a voter from the political system as backing a winning candidate. |
| 19:56:31 | kergoth | is reading quotes |
| 19:58:04 | prpplague | kergoth: hey dude! |
| 19:58:29 | prpplague | kergoth: just got back last night, should be able to get back working the x package tomorrow |
| 19:58:49 | prpplague | kergoth: looks like you guys did the trick on the xem problem |
| 19:59:48 | kergoth | There is only one thing worse than dreaming you are at a conference and waking to find that you are at a conference, and that is the conference where you can't fall asleep. <-hah |
| 19:59:55 | kergoth | prpplague: cool cool |
| 20:00:02 | Wembly | ouch |
| 20:00:05 | bipolar | kergoth: why is my root file system only 14.1MB is size? |
| 20:00:05 | jmhodges | prpplague: sem? |
| 20:00:13 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah first we found the new fep which is fast enough to hide the problem, then he found the actual problem |
| 20:00:13 | jmhodges | er.. xem? |
| 20:00:22 | kergoth | bipolar: kernel isnt in the root filesystem |
| 20:00:36 | bipolar | is out of space just by running ipkg upgrade |
| 20:00:40 | prpplague | jmhodges: a multi-serial board from digi |
| 20:00:51 | bipolar | kergoth: please explain that to me. I don't understand. |
| 20:01:30 | kergoth | bipolar: romimage (16 mb) = bootloader + kernel + cf updater + root fs |
| 20:01:39 | kergoth | bipolar: root fs being 14.1mb |
| 20:02:09 | Wembly | hey kergoth if you can reduce the size of the bootloader and cf updater and other misc junk. would that leave more room for the root fs? or is it fixed at a speific location? |
| 20:02:23 | Wembly | im going to kill something.. yes.. i shall kill something... |
| 20:02:28 | kergoth | its fixed atm |
| 20:02:36 | kergoth | if we replace the bootloader we can alter that |
| 20:02:42 | prpplague | kergoth: well we appreciate you guys finding the problem, i hope if we run across anything more we can do the same thing and just drop ship a server if nessary |
| 20:03:21 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:03:26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth sup |
| 20:03:45 | Harlekin | kergoth: did you rebuild qt yet |
| 20:03:51 | Harlekin | kergoth: and get that konq rebuild in the feed |
| 20:04:01 | wazlaf | hi |
| 20:04:52 | VerxWork | you know, there is one major benefit from my running OZ. I am not exceedingly excellent at the C+F+Full_Reset combo. I haven't failed to do it correctly in the last 50 or 60 reflashes |
| 20:05:04 | VerxWork | s/not/now |
| 20:05:29 | wazlaf | i am going to install OZ on my SL5000-D right now :) |
| 20:05:35 | wazlaf | is there anything i need to know? |
| 20:05:38 | wazlaf | common pitfalls? |
| 20:05:51 | VerxWork | wazlaf: heh, um, make backups EXCEEDINGLY often |
| 20:05:51 | VerxWork | that is my only advice |
| 20:05:55 | Harlekin | wazlaf: jeode, hancom, opera gone |
| 20:06:13 | VerxWork | looks at hancom and jeode on his OZ install. . . |
| 20:06:15 | wazlaf | can't i just copy them from the zaurus rom? |
| 20:06:22 | VerxWork | wazlaf: You sure can |
| 20:06:24 | rw2 | anyone know why my linksys wireless CF card would be noticed by OZ, but not display it's IP addr in the Network screen? |
| 20:06:28 | bipolar | Harlekin: but you can install Hancom on OZ |
| 20:06:45 | wazlaf | can i take the zimage-32 and use my CF as root fs? |
| 20:06:56 | Harlekin | bipolar: yeah, but need to backup it |
| 20:06:58 | kergoth | Harlekin: yes to new qt, no to new konq. yet. i should swipe the new one frfom the other feed |
| 20:06:59 | VerxWork | zImage-32 is supposedly quite unstable |
| 20:07:03 | kergoth | rw2: yes, knwon behavior |
| 20:07:06 | Harlekin | kergoth: yes |
| 20:07:07 | wazlaf | which one do you recommend? |
| 20:07:12 | Harlekin | kergoth: that should be enough |
| 20:07:13 | rw2 | kergoth: ok, cool. |
| 20:07:17 | wazlaf | 26-4? |
| 20:07:18 | Harlekin | kergoth: get both from ipaq feed |
| 20:07:23 | rw2 | kergoth: I see that I can still get it from ifconfig. |
| 20:07:24 | VerxWork | wazlaf: I have been running the 26-6 one |
| 20:07:26 | kergoth | Harlekin: 'both'? |
| 20:07:32 | kergoth | Harlekin: oh the small and large konq's? |
| 20:07:35 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 20:07:41 | kergoth | rw2: yep, netsetup sucks |
| 20:07:45 | TheMasterMind1 | c+f+full reset ? what's that do? |
| 20:07:52 | Harlekin | kergoth: yeah, one without js |
| 20:07:55 | Harlekin | still large |
| 20:08:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: iirc that takes you into diags |
| 20:08:14 | wazlaf | VerxWork: why are you saying i should make backups often? does OZ tend to be unstable? |
| 20:08:33 | VerxWork | wazlaf: I have re-flashed oz more than 12 times in the last hour |
| 20:08:38 | kolla | most usefull qpe app I know is iqnotes I thinl |
| 20:08:40 | kolla | think |
| 20:08:43 | wazlaf | VerxWork: LOL why? |
| 20:08:54 | VerxWork | wazlaf: The jffs2 drivers in OZ are nearly unusable |
| 20:09:00 | VerxWork | but if you back up often enough |
| 20:09:04 | VerxWork | you can make them do what you need |
| 20:09:10 | treke | Harlekin: you see that konq/e can now do some flash? |
| 20:09:20 | kolla | wonder which will get IPv6 support first.. OZ or Sharp :) |
| 20:09:25 | Harlekin | treke: it does? |
| 20:09:29 | treke | Harlekin: yeah |
| 20:09:30 | rw2 | Hell yeah. Wireless syncing. I'm weeping with joy! |
| 20:09:31 | Harlekin | oh |
| 20:09:34 | wazlaf | VerxWork: why not use the zaurus rom kernel with working jffs2? |
| 20:09:44 | treke | Harlekin: well maybe not the feed build |
| 20:10:10 | VerxWork | wazlaf: Because unfortunately sharp cannot release the sourcecode for all of what is in the sharp rom. So we are limited to the 2.4.6 kernel for the time being |
| 20:10:13 | treke | http://lists.kde.org/?l=konq-e&m=102822642827398&w=2 |
| 20:10:37 | kergoth | VerxWork: they can for most things, they just done |
| 20:10:40 | kergoth | VerxWork: dont |
| 20:10:48 | kergoth | VerxWork: (sd of course being hte exception) |
| 20:10:54 | VerxWork | right |
| 20:11:03 | VerxWork | not that sharp has any choice in the matter |
| 20:11:03 | VerxWork | :( |
| 20:11:15 | wazlaf | VerxWork: so why not just use the binary compiled sharp kernel? |
| 20:11:27 | kergoth | wazlaf: sharp's kernel is 2.4.6 |
| 20:11:45 | VerxWork | wazlaf: heh, it is somewhat complicated. The binary compiled sharp kernel has different expectations about the system than the OZ kernel |
| 20:11:47 | treke | does sharps kernel even have jffs2 support? |
| 20:11:56 | VerxWork | no |
| 20:11:57 | VerxWork | it doesn't |
| 20:12:05 | wazlaf | stupid question |
| 20:12:08 | wazlaf | what does jffs2 do?? |
| 20:12:10 | kergoth | treke: the sources yes, the zImage, no |
| 20:12:14 | kergoth | wazlaf: |
| 20:12:16 | | jffs2 is probably at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ or alien technology from that ufo crash in New Mexico in the 1940's |
| 20:12:16 | kergoth | ibot: jffs2? |
| 20:12:16 | treke | wazlaf: file system |
| 20:12:17 | wazlaf | isn't that some kind of filesystem=? |
| 20:12:36 | kergoth | wazlaf: "journaling flash filesystem v2" |
| 20:12:37 | treke | wazlaf: yes |
| 20:12:41 | kergoth | iirc |
| 20:12:54 | wazlaf | alright :). if i use my CF as root device with ext2, am I affected by this? |
| 20:13:06 | kergoth | wazlaf: in OZ flash is writable. |
| 20:13:16 | kergoth | wazlaf: if you install apps to cf, and none in flash, you'll be fine |
| 20:13:37 | wazlaf | aah you mean you are able to use the built-in ROM as storage with jffs2?? |
| 20:13:38 | kergoth | wazlaf: myself, i install some base packages in flash, then change my default destination to install to to someplace other than flash |
| 20:13:42 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:13:46 | wazlaf | wow |
| 20:13:52 | wazlaf | that's great |
| 20:13:56 | kergoth | indeed |
| 20:14:05 | kergoth | but the jffs2 in 2.4.6 was buggy |
| 20:14:24 | wazlaf | hmm i think i can live without it. but it's a cool feature :) |
| 20:14:28 | wazlaf | ok time for OZ then :) |
| 20:14:32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth you need to release a new build of initrd.bin.. tons of people are having problems upgrading from the feed |
| 20:14:37 | TheMasterMind1 | opie dies |
| 20:14:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? they're doing something stupid |
| 20:14:46 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to update opie-base from console i think |
| 20:14:50 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, they probably are |
| 20:14:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but okay |
| 20:15:01 | TheMasterMind1 | worked fine for me, but a new release would do good |
| 20:15:11 | kergoth | agreed |
| 20:15:20 | kergoth | i need to figure out the oz versioning |
| 20:15:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i've gotten some stuff working |
| 20:15:24 | TheMasterMind1 | udhcpc |
| 20:15:30 | TheMasterMind1 | new tinylogin |
| 20:15:33 | TheMasterMind1 | some patches etc |
| 20:15:44 | Wembly | herm. |
| 20:15:45 | wazlaf | wow what is this supposed to mean? (I am ftping initrd.bin to my CF card via the zaurus) : Filesystem panic (dev 03:01). |
| 20:15:45 | wazlaf | fat_free: deleting beyond EOF |
| 20:15:45 | wazlaf | File system has been set read-only |
| 20:15:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: commit some of this stuff once you've confirmed it wokrs. |
| 20:16:01 | Wembly | hey kergoth should we use debians ifupdown patch? |
| 20:16:07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth already have |
| 20:16:12 | kergoth | Wembly: probably |
| 20:16:16 | Wembly | ifupdown by default lacks support for udhcpc |
| 20:16:21 | TheMasterMind1 | fixed it until it worked and then committed it yesterday |
| 20:16:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: .. i havent seen that.. maybe the cvslogs ML is laggy |
| 20:16:26 | Wembly | debian has that and a few other features. |
| 20:16:31 | kergoth | Wembly: then definately. |
| 20:16:41 | TheMasterMind1 | yea fix up ifupdown :D |
| 20:16:45 | kergoth | Wembly: we use their patches for just about everything else |
| 20:16:47 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll test if needed |
| 20:16:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:17:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wembly altered the hotplug scripts to use ifupdown for usbd |
| 20:17:12 | Wembly | ill toss in their patch for revision 4 on ifupdown. |
| 20:17:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: instead of that /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf crap |
| 20:17:17 | TheMasterMind1 | yea we were talking yesterday |
| 20:17:20 | Wembly | not altered but added another package. |
| 20:17:22 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 20:17:23 | Wembly | err package config |
| 20:17:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going to start adding software as soon as i get time |
| 20:18:45 | wazlaf | hmm one question: what's unstable in the zimage-32? I would really like having the full 32 MB ram |
| 20:18:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: remember when you change patches to increment version # in the .mk, just fyi |
| 20:19:00 | Wembly | themastermind1: can you test something for me? |
| 20:19:07 | Wembly | i apparntly have a disfunctional something. |
| 20:19:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you did that for your changes here right? |
| 20:19:23 | kergoth | wtf is up with the openzaurus-cvslogs list |
| 20:19:32 | Wembly | edit ifupdown.mk and change the -4.diff to -4.4.diff |
| 20:19:40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yea, afair. i had to do kismet again because i didn't change the REVISION |
| 20:19:45 | TheMasterMind1 | but i think i got the rest of em |
| 20:19:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah k |
| 20:20:44 | Wembly | i really gotta figure out why the hell libc wants to not install features.h |
| 20:20:47 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly what am i testing? |
| 20:20:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah you swithced to the sulogin from tinylogin eh? |
| 20:21:03 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:21:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think we even use sulogin |
| 20:21:17 | Wembly | themastermind: in ifupdown.mk |
| 20:21:25 | TheMasterMind1 | its not enabled in default/rcS |
| 20:21:26 | Wembly | change the patch from -4.diff to -4.4.diff |
| 20:22:12 | Wembly | and make shure it compiles. |
| 20:22:19 | Wembly | cus well i cant test such things for gawd knows what resone. |
| 20:22:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we need sulogin. |
| 20:22:43 | TheMasterMind1 | "make openzaurus" is so messy. too many interdependencies.. half the packages complain because something they need isn't instaleed until afterwards |
| 20:22:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what's it used for |
| 20:22:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if the init fails out, it falls back to sulogin |
| 20:23:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:23:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i.e. if the startup scripts shit, it'll fall back |
| 20:23:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i think the one from tinylogin is working |
| 20:23:42 | Wembly | kergoth: if fsck fails horridly sulogin will bail the init scripts out |
| 20:23:43 | wazlaf | yay :) |
| 20:23:45 | wazlaf | it's booting |
| 20:23:53 | kergoth | Wembly: yeah |
| 20:24:04 | VerxWork | wazlaf: I have reflashed 3 times since you began installing OZ |
| 20:24:07 | VerxWork | heh |
| 20:24:10 | wazlaf | rofl |
| 20:24:18 | VerxWork | oh well |
| 20:24:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: right now it doesnt look like sulogin is in the rootfs |
| 20:24:25 | VerxWork | I got the last thing installed that I wanted to install |
| 20:24:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you want to add the install into the tinyulogin mk? |
| 20:24:38 | VerxWork | lost track of how many reflashes he just did |
| 20:24:43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh, that would be good |
| 20:24:49 | wazlaf | VerxWorks: you will kill your flash rewrite cycles if you continue like that :) |
| 20:24:50 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly it compiled |
| 20:24:55 | Wembly | mastermind: spiffy |
| 20:24:58 | VerxWork | wazlaf: I have no choice |
| 20:25:04 | VerxWork | using OZ means you reflash a lot |
| 20:25:13 | VerxWork | at least until the jffs2 code gets updated |
| 20:25:15 | Wembly | mastermind: you wanta raise the revision # up and commit it or should i? |
| 20:25:20 | kergoth | i can use OZ without reflashing with no rpoblems |
| 20:25:23 | VerxWork | god help poor kergoth |
| 20:25:24 | kergoth | for some reason |
| 20:25:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:25:27 | wazlaf | VerxWorks: do you need to reflash if jffs2 screws up? |
| 20:25:41 | noda | Woo! Just read on /. that Xiph.org released their fixed-point vorbis decoder :) |
| 20:25:43 | VerxWork | kergoth: You have a magical situation then |
| 20:25:49 | VerxWork | kergoth: Do you install to SD at all? |
| 20:25:49 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly does it work or do i need to test it? |
| 20:25:57 | TheMasterMind1 | it compiled but i dunno if it works |
| 20:25:58 | VerxWork | kergoth: That is where I am having all my trouble |
| 20:26:00 | kergoth | VerxWork: i dont own a sd |
| 20:26:02 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly you commit it |
| 20:26:10 | noda | So, how hard would it be to compile that for my z (never compiled anything for it before) - just cross-compile and copy the .so where the other audio codecs reside? |
| 20:26:11 | Wembly | themastermind: upto you on how much qa you wanta perform on it.. the more the better |
| 20:26:15 | VerxWork | kergoth: That may be why you have no problems |
| 20:26:16 | VerxWork | :) |
| 20:26:17 | Wembly | but i gotta get some sleep shortly. |
| 20:26:20 | wazlaf | OMG! I love it already |
| 20:26:26 | wazlaf | great job OZ developers :) |
| 20:26:39 | VerxWork | kergoth: I have been trying to make mine set up so I can yank my CF without issue and use a wireless CF card |
| 20:26:43 | treke | Emmett: congratulations on releasing the fixed point decoder. |
| 20:26:54 | VerxWork | wazlaf: Thanks kergoth. OZ only exists because of him |
| 20:27:02 | Wembly | verxwork: yank your CF without issue!? |
| 20:27:12 | Emmett | treke: Thanks. |
| 20:27:15 | VerxWork | Wembly: I don't install anything to CF |
| 20:27:24 | wazlaf | kergoth: thanks :) |
| 20:27:32 | Wembly | i mean like just pull it out? without telling the os? |
| 20:27:43 | VerxWork | Wembly: All I have on CF are things like MAME roms, Exult games, and ScummVM games |
| 20:27:46 | wazlaf | VerxWork: hmm i used the zimage-32 and it uses jffs2 for /. can I tell it to use my CF as root device somehow? |
| 20:28:11 | VerxWork | wazlaf: Supposedly using the zImage-32 will cause you a lot of harm |
| 20:28:16 | VerxWork | you won't be able to suspend |
| 20:28:21 | VerxWork | and opie will crash a lot on you |
| 20:28:27 | VerxWork | just fyi |
| 20:28:38 | wazlaf | VerxWorks: hmm alright |
| 20:28:41 | VerxWork | as far as using CF as /, no, you cannot do that. your flash memory is / |
| 20:28:44 | treke | Emmett: now go get someone to make a car ogg player :) |
| 20:28:46 | wazlaf | VerxWorks: then I'll just reflash :) |
| 20:29:02 | BigBoss | hey Emmett: I've been posting to slashdot |
| 20:29:08 | BigBoss | boy there are some strange stories out there |
| 20:29:14 | BigBoss | someone claimed we paid you to make Termor |
| 20:29:18 | wazlaf | VerxWorks: so in other words I can't avoid using the buggy jffs2 code in 2.4.6? |
| 20:29:27 | Emmett | I know, people aren't making a lot of sense. |
| 20:29:32 | wazlaf | VerxWorks: and i can't avoid having it crash on me? |
| 20:29:32 | Emmett | I was surprised at that one. |
| 20:29:41 | VerxWork | wazlaf: If you use OZ, you get the buggy jffs2 code |
| 20:29:45 | VerxWork | no way around it |
| 20:29:51 | wazlaf | hmm |
| 20:29:51 | treke | when did /. make sense |
| 20:30:26 | noda | How would I compile another audio plugin for opie-player? I'm new to cross-compiling but iirc I have the compiler installed. |
| 20:30:29 | Wembly | verxwork: herm youd probly want to mount your cf card with the sync option? |
| 20:30:33 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 20:30:38 | VerxWork | neo, you here? |
| 20:30:53 | wazlaf | VerxWork: can't i just create a root filesystem on my CF card and then create a kernel which uses it as root fs? |
| 20:31:07 | Emmett | Anyway, I hope people continue to support theKompany's stuff |
| 20:31:22 | VerxWork | wazlaf: I don't believe so, no. I think by the time you wanted to mount it, you wouldn't have the driver loaded yet |
| 20:31:25 | Emmett | Even though we don't get our cut of their sales anymore, they've been way-supportive from Day One. |
| 20:31:46 | treke | how much is big boss paying you to say that? :) |
| 20:32:03 | BigBoss | emmett wish's I paid him :) |
| 20:32:04 | Emmett | Not a dime. |
| 20:32:10 | Emmett | Heh, no kidding. :) |
| 20:32:15 | wazlaf | VerxWork: alright. just one more question ;) - is there any danger of putting the zaurus in a state in which it cannot be reflashed? |
| 20:32:29 | BigBoss | if emmett was a woman and attractive and I wasn't married, well then I might ask him on a date |
| 20:32:34 | Wembly | wazlaf: depends on how you flash it. |
| 20:32:37 | noda | wazlaf: It can be reflashed as long as you have a CF reader so you can write a new image to it. |
| 20:32:47 | VerxWork | wazlaf: As far as I know, that can only happen if you flash the sharp ROM |
| 20:32:53 | Wembly | noda: even if you flash the entire ospack? |
| 20:32:56 | noda | wazlaf: You hold down "c" and "d" and press the full reset button in the back. It'll reflash even if it doesn't boot. |
| 20:33:01 | noda | Yes. |
| 20:33:02 | VerxWork | wazlaf: From what I understand, flashing OZ will never make it unflashable |
| 20:33:10 | wazlaf | alright |
| 20:33:28 | Emmett | hahhaha |
| 20:33:53 | wazlaf | in the sharp flashing readme, it says that pushing hard reset while the Z is flashing will break things ;) |
| 20:33:54 | Wembly | noda: so even use the ospack to flash the entire 16mb flash. it'll still work? |
| 20:34:41 | noda | Wembly: "c"/"d"/full reset? Yeah. I screwed up my Z but used my CF reader to put a new image on there. It worked after doing the "c"/"d"/full reset. |
| 20:36:10 | wazlaf | i like opie soooo much better :) |
| 20:36:20 | Emmett | Anyway, peace out. |
| 20:36:33 | Emmett | This network gives me the creeps. :) |
| 20:36:34 | noda | Yeah, no going back to the sharp ROM :) |
| 20:36:38 | Emmett | See y;all! |
| 20:36:56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do i install one package into root/ |
| 20:37:15 | Wembly | omg |
| 20:37:19 | Wembly | i hate this stupid network |
| 20:39:12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm, i'm pretty sure tinylogin includes sulogin, because when it was install the ipk it said that it couldn't replace sulogin that was provided by sysvinit |
| 20:40:18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth also, maybe we shouldn't have all those applets in the initrd.. makes the initrd bigger and half of em aren't used anyway |
| 20:40:23 | TheMasterMind1 | what's the use of having them in rot |
| 20:40:27 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm afk |
| 20:40:29 | TheMasterMind1 | for a bit |
| 20:40:57 | wazlaf | does the "Ethernet over USB" work in OZ? |
| 20:41:06 | Wembly | themastermind1: ifupdown changes commited. im outa here till later tonight |
| 20:41:15 | kergoth | wazlaf: read the faq |
| 20:41:17 | Wembly | wazlaf: yes |
| 20:41:24 | wazlaf | ok rtfm :) |
| 20:41:28 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:41:35 | | kergoth: i don't know |
| 20:41:35 | kergoth | ibot: oz faq? |
| 20:41:51 | noda | Hey, this looks pretty neat: http://www.rasterman.com/pages/news.html |
| 20:42:38 | Wembly | noda: its rather scary when efnet #e follows you to someplace else on the net. |
| 20:42:46 | BigBoss | boy, handango site is barely moving |
| 20:42:56 | noda | grins. |
| 20:43:08 | Wembly | even tho efnet #e kinda died along long time ago |
| 20:43:34 | noda | All I know is I've seen what evas can do, it's pretty sweet. Rasterman should be proud :) |
| 20:43:36 | treke | shoots whoever wrote the konq/e build system |
| 20:44:52 | noda | Maybe I should code with evas and make stuff that runs on my computer and my Z (I'm not a big fan of QT) |
| 20:45:12 | wazlaf | the opie console is awesome :) |
| 20:45:22 | Harlekinyoyo | .-) |
| 20:46:33 | Cloudchaser | opie console? |
| 20:46:45 | VerxWork | Cloudchaser: konsole |
| 20:46:51 | Cloudchaser | isn't it embedded konsole tabs? |
| 20:46:56 | VerxWork | yup |
| 20:47:09 | wazlaf | wow what is this JumpX input method? |
| 20:47:21 | VerxWork | it is based on fitaly |
| 20:47:24 | VerxWork | a palm input method |
| 20:47:42 | Wembly | bibi |
| 20:47:47 | Wembly | bbl |
| 20:48:03 | wazlaf | ok |
| 20:48:21 | VerxWork | well |
| 20:48:25 | VerxWork | time for me to go to school |
| 20:48:28 | VerxWork | see y'all |
| 20:48:42 | Cloudchaser | bye bye |
| 20:48:44 | Cloudchaser | have a good one |
| 20:48:50 | VerxWork | you too! :)) |
| 20:52:20 | imm | hi |
| 20:54:31 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 6 hours, 6 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: have you been playing today [Mon Sep 2 15:47:34 2002] |
| 20:54:31 | imm | ibot seen Sniper |
| 20:55:29 | wazlaf | how can i upgrade all installed packages on opie? |
| 20:55:43 | noda | ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 20:55:44 | Cloudchaser | you might not want to do that |
| 20:55:55 | wazlaf | Cloudchaser: why not? |
| 20:56:28 | Cloudchaser | its been known to mess people up |
| 20:56:50 | Cloudchaser | but if you've just flashed it probly won't be too tragic |
| 20:56:57 | wazlaf | ok |
| 20:57:18 | Harlekin | hey Onyx4 |
| 20:57:26 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 20:57:33 | Zxcvb | has anyone heard the good news about the fixed point ogg decoder? |
| 20:57:36 | mark | hi Onyx4 |
| 20:57:41 | noda | Zxcvb: Yep :) |
| 20:57:42 | imm | Zxcvb: yep |
| 20:57:42 | wazlaf | hmm how do i select a package to be installed inside the opie ipkg frontend? |
| 20:57:44 | Cloudchaser | Onyx4: hiya |
| 20:57:50 | noda | Zxcvb: Now compile it for the Z and share the binaries with us :) |
| 20:57:51 | Onyx4 | =/ |
| 20:57:58 | wazlaf | oooh never mind |
| 20:58:01 | wazlaf | i got it :) |
| 20:58:08 | Zxcvb | it is just a library >( |
| 20:58:10 | Harlekin | noda: op2 has ogg/vorbis 1 in since 4 weeks |
| 20:58:21 | noda | op2? |
| 20:58:23 | imm | bad news for BigBoss if he don't pay per sold copy |
| 20:58:26 | noda | What/where is that? :) |
| 20:58:38 | noda | Harlekin: Yes, but that was floating-point ogg/vorbis, wasn't it? |
| 20:58:45 | Harlekin | noda: no |
| 20:58:49 | Harlekin | noda: own fp version |
| 20:58:54 | Zxcvb | the Z supports fp math? |
| 20:58:55 | Harlekin | noda: http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/ |
| 20:59:14 | imm | Harlekin: did you read the slashdot story ? |
| 20:59:18 | Harlekin | imm: yeah |
| 20:59:20 | noda | Man, that's just been lying around on the 'net all this time... |
| 20:59:20 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 20:59:22 | chouimat | imm: any news? |
| 20:59:26 | Harlekin | imm: the one i have is lgpl |
| 20:59:33 | noda | Harlekin: Hrm, done any tests to see which codec is faster/more stable? :) |
| 20:59:36 | imm | chouimat: nope ..--.-.-.--...--...--. still hides |
| 20:59:42 | Harlekin | noda: the problem is a) early beta |
| 20:59:43 | chouimat | imm: hehe |
| 21:00:08 | Harlekin | noda: yeah, the official one is without arm/asm optimisation |
| 21:00:15 | noda | Cool :) |
| 21:00:29 | Harlekin | but is better for real low bitrates |
| 21:00:36 | Harlekin | like 13 kbit ogg streams |
| 21:00:37 | noda | Hey, would it work if I just went "ipkg install --dest-mtdram http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20020903_arm.ipk? :) |
| 21:00:46 | Harlekin | noda: that is the question |
| 21:00:46 | Zxcvb | the Xiph one is not GPL compatabile (advertising clause) |
| 21:00:50 | BigBoss | imm: I don't see a problem for us any different than the current situation |
| 21:00:50 | Harlekin | noda: no Z to test it |
| 21:00:58 | noda | Heh, I'll test :) |
| 21:01:09 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: since it dont use it ,) |
| 21:01:34 | imm | BigBoss: so paid per copy ? |
| 21:01:46 | BigBoss | imm: what about a paid copy? I'm not following you |
| 21:02:10 | imm | BigBoss: you can buy licenses for a big amount or per sold copy |
| 21:02:13 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: sure that this clause is in? |
| 21:02:17 | noda | Harlekin: Will it break opie-player 1? |
| 21:02:19 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: it says bsd like clause |
| 21:02:29 | Harlekin | noda: you can install it additionally |
| 21:02:33 | noda | Woo! :) |
| 21:02:36 | Harlekin | noda: retail rom? |
| 21:02:38 | Zxcvb | Harlekin: yeah |
| 21:02:41 | Zxcvb | Harlekin: downloaded it |
| 21:02:46 | Harlekin | Zxcvb: oh |
| 21:02:48 | kergoth | is zoning out |
| 21:02:50 | Zxcvb | Harlekin: and the term BSD-style should be avoided |
| 21:02:53 | BigBoss | imm: we never paid for it, we had a per unit license fee we were going to pay but they changed to this icense before we ever had to pay so they said we didn't have to pay |
| 21:02:57 | kergoth | i hate cutting back on my caffeine intake |
| 21:03:06 | wazlaf | hmm is dhcpd required by opie? |
| 21:03:14 | kergoth | wazlaf: of course not |
| 21:03:28 | wazlaf | ok just wondered why it's installed by default |
| 21:03:35 | kergoth | wazlaf: it isnt. |
| 21:03:41 | Zxcvb | - Neither the name of the Xiph.org Foundation nor the names of its |
| 21:03:41 | kergoth | wazlaf: dhcpcd is. |
| 21:03:41 | Zxcvb | contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from |
| 21:03:42 | Zxcvb | this software without specific prior written permission. |
| 21:04:32 | Harlekin | noda: retail rom? |
| 21:04:38 | noda | Harlekin: OZ |
| 21:04:47 | Harlekin | noda: then it should work |
| 21:04:48 | treke | Zxcvb: why would that make it gpl incompatible? |
| 21:04:57 | Zxcvb | treke: no idea |
| 21:05:02 | Harlekin | i think retail rom is too old (better the ipk on there) |
| 21:05:04 | wazlaf | kergoth: sorry but what is it? doesn't have an ipk description |
| 21:05:07 | Zxcvb | treke: probably didn't realize that |
| 21:05:09 | BigBoss | because the gpl is a convoluted mess |
| 21:05:14 | kergoth | wazlaf: dhcp client. |
| 21:05:37 | treke | Zxcvb: the advertising clause is different, it says you have to mention that Xiph wrote the code ( if that clause is there) |
| 21:05:50 | wazlaf | kergoth: ah ok |
| 21:06:01 | Zxcvb | treke: does that clause I posted make it GPL incompatible? |
| 21:06:08 | [DrEvil] | does a build of oz |
| 21:06:15 | treke | Zxcvb: dont know, but I doubt it |
| 21:06:15 | [DrEvil] | let's see if it still works |
| 21:07:07 | Zxcvb | treke: ok, it is compatible |
| 21:07:31 | Zxcvb | treke: it is the modified BSD license (which says "The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission") |
| 21:07:50 | Zxcvb | treke: though "BSD-style" should be avoided |
| 21:08:00 | noda | Whoops... what's the ipkg command to put in symlinks? |
| 21:08:01 | Zxcvb | treke: either BSD or modified/revised BSD |
| 21:08:16 | kergoth | noda: there isnt one. |
| 21:08:20 | noda | So I gotta do it manually? :) |
| 21:08:26 | kergoth | noda: the gui does that until the familiar folks add symlink/unlink function to ipkg |
| 21:08:30 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:08:36 | noda | Heh, fun :) |
| 21:08:57 | kergoth | shell scripting is your friend |
| 21:08:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:09:20 | treke | Zxcvb: it was specifically refering to this clause: 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: This product includes software developed by the University of California, Berkeley and its contributors. |
| 21:09:40 | darienm|coma | http://teamipc.com/ << finally launched after 6 months (or was it 9? I forget) |
| 21:10:12 | kergoth | darienm|coma: looks good |
| 21:11:01 | noda | Woo, that little arrow next to "Read Case Study" looks exactly like the new GTK theme I installed two days ago :) |
| 21:15:05 | wazlaf | does the zaurus need AC power in order to be reflashed? |
| 21:15:21 | noda | Yes. |
| 21:15:25 | wazlaf | ok |
| 21:15:38 | Harlekin | noda: got it installed now? |
| 21:15:43 | noda | Harlekin: Just makin' symlinks :) |
| 21:15:47 | Zxcvb | does the Z need to be recharged in it's cradle, or is the charger seperate from the sync cradle? |
| 21:15:55 | Harlekin | noda: for which, codecs or player |
| 21:16:26 | noda | Player. I'm missing some files somewhere... I got the .desktop's, the pics and the binary... what else do I need to link? |
| 21:16:43 | Harlekin | noda: codecs when ok |
| 21:16:53 | Harlekin | noda: wheres hte problem with the player ipk |
| 21:16:55 | Harlekin | ? |
| 21:16:59 | DrXXXXwrk | is there a place to get "backups" of theKompany software?, I lost mine |
| 21:17:05 | noda | Harlekin: It won't start up... I'll try from ssh :) |
| 21:17:17 | Harlekin | noda: did anything special to install? |
| 21:17:28 | KhensU | Zxcvb: it can be pluged in directly or through the cradle |
| 21:17:50 | wazlaf | DrXXXXwrk: just re-download it from their site with the mail information you got from them |
| 21:18:37 | Zxcvb | KhensU: nice |
| 21:19:06 | Zxcvb | KhensU: do you know if the charger outputs DC? |
| 21:19:24 | DrXXXXwrk | ohh you got to get the software first (hehehe) yea yea,, I just got wait till my boss pays me this week, so I can get a wireless cf card and some apps |
| 21:19:53 | wazlaf | Zxcvb: it outputs 5V with 2 amperes |
| 21:19:59 | wazlaf | Zxcvb: DC |
| 21:20:31 | Zxcvb | then it should be possible to flash the Z with a car cigarette lighter, right? |
| 21:20:45 | wazlaf | Zxcvb: that's got 12V afaik |
| 21:21:13 | Zxcvb | you would need an adapter |
| 21:21:13 | wazlaf | Zxcvb: if you're into electronics, you could build a little cirquit using a 7805 transformer |
| 21:21:37 | Zxcvb | wazlaf: transformers don't work with DC, the last I checked |
| 21:22:25 | wazlaf | Zxcvb: the 7805 is a chip which transforms any DC voltage < 100V into 5V DC |
| 21:22:54 | Zxcvb | wazlaf: sounds more like a variable resistor and voltage regulator |
| 21:23:57 | wazlaf | Zxcvb: from the outside it looks like a transistor but afaik it's a little more complicated than variable resistors |
| 21:24:38 | Zxcvb | wazlaf: it is probably also a voltage regulator |
| 21:24:38 | wazlaf | what is libopex?? |
| 21:24:46 | wazlaf | Zxcvb: yes it is |
| 21:25:09 | treke | wazlaf: its for beaming over ir |
| 21:25:14 | wazlaf | Zxcvb: it's built into many electronical devices as protection against too high voltage |
| 21:25:15 | Zxcvb | wazlaf: since (I think) the amount a resistor lowers voltage is based also on the current draw |
| 21:25:39 | Zxcvb | wazlaf: so a simple resistor would not work if the device has a variable draw |
| 21:25:50 | Zxcvb | wazlaf: though it has been a long time since I did anything with that stuff |
| 21:26:12 | wazlaf | Zxcvb: afaik, a resistor reduces the amerage |
| 21:26:51 | wazlaf | I might be wrong though ;) |
| 21:27:11 | Zxcvb | wazlaf: for the visor prism, you have to get a special plug adapter to use the AC charger without the cradle (it also includes a case with 4 AA batteries for an emergency charge) |
| 21:31:52 | Harlekin | anybody with retail rom here? |
| 21:32:18 | | digipower is a small portable battery pack known to work with the Z that provides 3 full charges, output of 8100 is 4.8V/2700mAH DP-4 cable required http://thomas-distributing.com/dp-dps-8100.htm or 8100=4.8V and 8200=6V or has 1800 mAH AA NiH |
| 21:32:18 | Onyx4 | ibot: digipower |
| 21:34:33 | wazlaf | which file contains the IP address for usbd0 on OZ? |
| 21:34:41 | kergoth | wazlaf: read the faq. |
| 21:34:50 | kergoth | wazlaf: /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf |
| 21:34:58 | wazlaf | hmm must have overseen it when i read it |
| 21:34:59 | wazlaf | thx |
| 21:35:04 | kergoth | wazlaf: (same file as sharp rom, but the sharp rom has a gui for it) |
| 21:35:06 | kergoth | np |
| 21:37:16 | sitruC | i'm having trouble getting konqueror running |
| 21:37:28 | sitruC | i'm strace'ing it now, but thought i'd ask incase it's something obvious |
| 21:37:39 | sitruC | (obvious to someone else, that is) |
| 21:37:42 | Harlekin | sitruC: latest opie? |
| 21:37:46 | sitruC | yes |
| 21:37:50 | Harlekin | sitruC: get the konq from ipaq feed |
| 21:37:56 | Harlekin | one of them |
| 21:41:25 | treke | has anything other than konq had problems with the new qt? |
| 21:41:31 | Cloudchaser | vnc |
| 21:41:33 | Harlekin | no |
| 21:41:37 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: thats not qt |
| 21:41:47 | Cloudchaser | oh sorry |
| 21:41:53 | Harlekin | at least as it looks |
| 21:42:02 | Harlekin | since its does not use any code from qt |
| 21:42:16 | Harlekin | treke: the problem with konq is that its not a qpe app |
| 21:42:45 | Cloudchaser | ok then treke i had problem with something else |
| 21:42:57 | Cloudchaser | when i did all the updates |
| 21:43:16 | Cloudchaser | my touchscreen response was wonky and i had to reflash |
| 21:43:20 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: any more people having prblems with vnc? |
| 21:43:37 | Cloudchaser | i don't know, someone told me it was vnc causing my problem |
| 21:43:44 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 21:43:52 | Harlekin | downgrading just qt |
| 21:43:55 | Cloudchaser | so i reflashed and didn't update anything but busybox, ipkg and oipkg |
| 21:43:57 | Harlekin | would have been interesting |
| 21:44:05 | Harlekin | just qwt |
| 21:44:06 | Harlekin | qt |
| 21:44:50 | Cloudchaser | also treke, check your application cpu usage periodically |
| 21:45:03 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: fbvncserver is just that, a framebuffer vnc server. doesnt use qt at all |
| 21:45:16 | Cloudchaser | yes you told me that |
| 21:45:22 | Cloudchaser | so if that wasn't the cause, something else was |
| 21:45:26 | Cloudchaser | and i don't know what |
| 21:45:30 | Harlekin | kergoth: but misterious that treke and Cloudchaser had problems |
| 21:45:49 | Cloudchaser | treke did too? |
| 21:45:52 | Harlekin | was anything else updated then qt? |
| 21:45:55 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: you said treke did |
| 21:46:16 | Harlekin | 00:56 < Cloudchaser> ok then treke i had problem with something else |
| 21:46:24 | kergoth | Harlekin: she was addressing treke |
| 21:46:25 | treke | No, I dont use the vnc server. |
| 21:46:28 | kergoth | Harlekin: not talking about him |
| 21:47:00 | Harlekin | oh |
| 21:47:05 | Cloudchaser | no he asked if anything else was a problem with newest |
| 21:47:12 | Cloudchaser | and i responded |
| 21:47:20 | Harlekin | i set the comma at the wrong place .-) |
| 21:47:30 | DrXXXXwrk | anyone have problems mounting cf cards |
| 21:47:38 | Ksd | i'm trying to sync with my Z from linux. i rebuild the kernel with the usbdnet driver. |
| 21:48:01 | Ksd | i did ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.255 |
| 21:48:01 | DrXXXXwrk | I had a 8 meg laying around from a camera lexar, and the icon for the card comes up but no .mnt/cf |
| 21:48:04 | Ksd | i did ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 21:48:25 | DrXXXXwrk | fdisk /dev/hda1 or hda didnt work |
| 21:48:27 | Ksd | then route add -host 192.168.1.201 |
| 21:48:51 | Ksd | but it don't ping to 192.168.1.201 |
| 21:48:53 | kergoth | DrXXXXwrk: fyi, 'it didnt work' is one of the most useless declarations |
| 21:48:59 | Ksd | what should i do? |
| 21:49:03 | DrXXXXwrk | hehe |
| 21:49:10 | kergoth | DrXXXXwrk: what was the error, if any? |
| 21:49:11 | DrXXXXwrk | i asked before in this room |
| 21:49:14 | DrXXXXwrk | nothing |
| 21:49:21 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:49:31 | DrXXXXwrk | I pluged in the cf card and the little icon pops up on the tray |
| 21:49:36 | DrXXXXwrk | but it doesnt mount |
| 21:49:39 | kergoth | i was referring to your fdisk attempt |
| 21:49:44 | kergoth | < DrXXXXwrk> fdisk /dev/hda1 or hda didnt work |
| 21:49:51 | kergoth | 'didnt work' |
| 21:49:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:49:54 | DrXXXXwrk | I tried both of those I mean |
| 21:50:06 | kergoth | you're not listening |
| 21:50:13 | Ksd | can anyone answer? |
| 21:50:15 | kergoth | when you tried the fdisk command, what happened? |
| 21:50:23 | kergoth | you said 'it didnt work'. throw me a bone, man |
| 21:50:36 | kergoth | Ksd: what happens when you try to ping? |
| 21:50:39 | DrXXXXwrk | it says "unable to open /dev/hda1" |
| 21:50:45 | kergoth | DrXXXXwrk: and for hda? |
| 21:50:50 | DrXXXXwrk | same thing |
| 21:50:56 | kergoth | DrXXXXwrk: well then its not a problem mounting. |
| 21:51:00 | Ksd | kergoth: From 192.168.1.200: Destination Host Unreachabl |
| 21:51:05 | kergoth | DrXXXXwrk: if its devices dont even exist, something went very wrong |
| 21:51:11 | DrXXXXwrk | heh |
| 21:51:13 | kergoth | DrXXXXwrk: check dmesg or /var/log/messages |
| 21:51:22 | kergoth | DrXXXXwrk: see if cardmon outputted anything useful when you insertted it |
| 21:51:23 | Cloudchaser | did you put your cf card into cf/pcmcia adapter? |
| 21:51:28 | DrXXXXwrk | probally should try to reformat on another machine |
| 21:51:42 | kergoth | argh i'm tired |
| 21:51:45 | DrXXXXwrk | it was in a usb adapter |
| 21:51:55 | kergoth | oh |
| 21:51:58 | DrXXXXwrk | ill check the log |
| 21:52:01 | kergoth | usb adapters emulate scsi devices, not ide |
| 21:52:06 | kergoth | it'll be sda, not hda |
| 21:52:40 | kergoth | you trying to mount in the usb adapter or on the Z? i'm confused |
| 21:52:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:52:45 | Ksd | kergoth: can you help me? |
| 21:53:14 | Cloudchaser | my cf-pcmcia adapter hosed my card so bad that the z couldn't recognize it or format it or anything |
| 21:53:27 | Cloudchaser | thought maybe he was having same sort of issue |
| 21:53:44 | Cloudchaser | can you put the card into other pc and see if it is recognized? |
| 21:53:49 | kergoth | Ksd: i dont know what your issue is, i've never seen that behavior, mine just works. |
| 21:53:49 | Cloudchaser | or readable |
| 21:54:10 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: so youre on retail rom now again? |
| 21:54:18 | DrXXXXwrk | hmm |
| 21:54:26 | Cloudchaser | harlekin no |
| 21:54:32 | Cloudchaser | not yet anyway |
| 21:54:41 | Harlekin | oh |
| 21:54:50 | Harlekin | is just looking for a testing person |
| 21:54:51 | Cloudchaser | i reflashed with oz |
| 21:54:54 | DrXXXXwrk | I guess it detects the card but nothing after it,, the card was in a kodak 1.3 megapixel camera |
| 21:54:57 | Harlekin | Onyx4: what are you running .-) |
| 21:55:13 | DrXXXXwrk | probally have o reformat on a windows bo or something |
| 21:55:17 | DrXXXXwrk | box |
| 21:55:26 | Cloudchaser | DrXXXXwrk: if that doesn't work, reformat it in your camera |
| 21:55:30 | DrXXXXwrk | blah, to tired to type |
| 21:55:36 | DrXXXXwrk | ok cool |
| 21:55:50 | Cloudchaser | that's the only place i coudl reformat mine when it got hosed, and it took 4 tries in camera to suceed |
| 21:56:08 | Cloudchaser | but thats if you cant read it in windows |
| 21:56:09 | DrXXXXwrk | but the card works fine on my usb adapter for my computer |
| 21:56:12 | Cloudchaser | or format it |
| 21:56:22 | Cloudchaser | so that's probly not the same issue |
| 21:57:08 | DrXXXXwrk | the other problem im having is that i made a serial null modem cable to hook ym zaurus to my nextel iden phone, I dial up with minicom and connect then run the pppd daemon |
| 21:57:21 | DrXXXXwrk | i can ssh, vnc ping |
| 21:57:25 | DrXXXXwrk | but opera wont work |
| 21:57:34 | DrXXXXwrk | I can ping domain names so its resolving |
| 21:57:39 | DrXXXXwrk | so i dunno |
| 21:57:41 | DrXXXXwrk | hehe |
| 21:57:52 | Harlekin | DrXXXXwrk: proxy needed? |
| 21:58:21 | DrXXXXwrk | i dont like using proxy but i probally should connect to a proxy on the net somewhere and it would probally work |
| 21:58:33 | DrXXXXwrk | its a shame it doesnt work straight tcp/ip |
| 21:59:51 | kergoth | DrXXXXwrk: it should, unless port 80 is being blocked or something |
| 22:01:23 | kergoth | argh i hate not drinking caffine |
| 22:01:31 | kergoth | falls asleep on his desk |
| 22:01:53 | imm | Sugar make kergoth a coffee |
| 22:01:53 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 22:01:56 | imm | Sugar make kergoth a coffee |
| 22:01:56 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 22:01:58 | imm | Sugar make kergoth a coffee |
| 22:01:58 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 22:02:00 | imm | Sugar make kergoth a coffee |
| 22:02:00 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 22:02:01 | imm | Sugar make kergoth a coffee |
| 22:02:01 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 22:02:02 | imm | Sugar make kergoth a coffee |
| 22:02:02 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 22:02:07 | DrXXXXwrk | maybe the dumb usb_ppp is screwing with it |
| 22:02:10 | kergoth | hides from the coffee |
| 22:02:14 | DrXXXXwrk | sync software |
| 22:02:23 | Harlekin | Sugar: make me a bloody mary |
| 22:02:23 | Sugar | shakes vodka, tomato juice, lemon juice, worcestershire sauce, tabasco sauce, salt and pepper to taste and ice, strains it into an old-fashioned glass over ice cubes then adds wedge of lime and serves it to Harlekin. |
| 22:02:27 | Harlekin | ahhhhh |
| 22:02:41 | kergoth | yay! |
| 22:02:43 | kergoth | its time to go home |
| 22:02:51 | kergoth | night harlekin, talk to ya tomorrow |
| 22:02:57 | imm | infuse kergoth some caffee |
| 22:03:04 | kergoth`gone | dashes out the door |
| 22:03:23 | chouimat | imm: stop drinking coffee |
| 22:03:29 | Harlekin | hey seth |
| 22:03:37 | seth | hi |
| 22:03:40 | imm | chouimat: holly shit, why ? |
| 22:04:06 | chouimat | imm: it's late you wont sleep |
| 22:04:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm back! |
| 22:04:24 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: sorry I was away |
| 22:04:25 | Harlekin | kergoth`gone: n8 |
| 22:04:28 | Harlekin | Onyx4: hehe |
| 22:04:28 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: running OZ |
| 22:04:31 | Harlekin | k |
| 22:04:32 | TheMasterMind1 | just after kergoth leaves |
| 22:04:34 | TheMasterMind1 | like always |
| 22:04:34 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:04:41 | Harlekin | hard to find somebody with retail rom |
| 22:04:48 | imm | chouimat: no prob, maybe i can catch Sniper if i stay up a bit longer ;) |
| 22:04:49 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 22:05:00 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 sup |
| 22:05:02 | chouimat | imm hehehehehehehehee |
| 22:05:08 | Cloudchaser | what are you trying to test Harlekin |
| 22:05:34 | imm | Sniper: ping |
| 22:05:42 | Onyx4 | hey mastermind |
| 22:06:03 | Onyx4 | still debugging knights open-sourced compile |
| 22:06:11 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 22:06:13 | TheMasterMind1 | knight who/ |
| 22:06:19 | Onyx4 | knights the chess game |
| 22:06:46 | Onyx4 | I compiled it but it's hanging while running the chess engine |
| 22:07:12 | BigBoss | imm: sniper is in new jersey, it is after 7pm, he went home |
| 22:08:02 | Harlekin | Onyx4: did you try the new ipk? |
| 22:08:14 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 is it gui or command line? |
| 22:08:28 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: the ipk of knights? |
| 22:08:38 | Onyx4 | it's a GUI |
| 22:08:51 | Onyx4 | based on the kde knights GPL game |
| 22:09:03 | imm | BigBoss: thanks |
| 22:09:04 | TheMasterMind1 | is the gui qt? |
| 22:09:10 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 22:09:14 | TheMasterMind1 | isee |
| 22:09:27 | Harlekin | Onyx4: op2 |
| 22:09:28 | imm | BigBoss: i hope i get my Z sooner then you got your TV :) |
| 22:09:34 | Onyx4 | http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=AC5E252B6A3XDF1AXFX77D83DF3C4C83&zsortParams=true&productId=33403&optionId=1_9_2&productType=2&catalog=80&txtSearch=knights§ionId=0&platformId=9 |
| 22:09:38 | chouimat | imm: I didn't see him here today |
| 22:09:42 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: yes I did try it |
| 22:09:42 | TheMasterMind1 | adds to TODO list |
| 22:09:43 | Harlekin | BigBoss: still not got the tv? |
| 22:09:50 | Harlekin | Onyx4: tried the gamma correction? |
| 22:09:51 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 what's that? |
| 22:09:56 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin where do i get op2? |
| 22:09:58 | chouimat | BigBoss: which tv? |
| 22:10:16 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: it's strange now it seems like it's slower during the movie even more than the previous one I had before |
| 22:10:24 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/ |
| 22:10:38 | Harlekin | Onyx4: in general? |
| 22:10:41 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: yes |
| 22:10:46 | imm | chouimat: so i have to get up early tomorrow ! |
| 22:10:48 | Harlekin | Onyx4: or only with gamma changed |
| 22:10:56 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I think it's with gamma probably |
| 22:11:00 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 10 bucks?! |
| 22:11:02 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 22:11:07 | Onyx4 | it's open-sourced |
| 22:11:08 | TheMasterMind1 | paying for software is stupid |
| 22:11:10 | Onyx4 | you can download the source |
| 22:11:13 | TheMasterMind1 | where? |
| 22:11:19 | chouimat | imm: what time is not in CH? |
| 22:11:20 | Onyx4 | it's not up yet the web page |
| 22:11:28 | Onyx4 | mark has the source and sent it to me |
| 22:11:31 | Onyx4 | it still has a few problems |
| 22:11:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:11:43 | Harlekin | Onyx4: yeah, gamma correction slows down |
| 22:11:44 | TheMasterMind1 | send me source |
| 22:11:47 | TheMasterMind1 | z@themastermind1.net |
| 22:11:51 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: ok that must have been it then |
| 22:11:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll see if i can get it working |
| 22:12:00 | TheMasterMind1 | and put it in the OZ feed if it works |
| 22:12:05 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: retail rom? |
| 22:12:09 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin eh? |
| 22:12:26 | imm | chouimat: 01:19 |
| 22:12:34 | Onyx4 | well knights doesn't seem to be the problem, it's the chess engine phalanx and gnuchess that are seperate compile that seems to be the prob |
| 22:12:35 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: which zaurus rom do you use |
| 22:12:46 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin oz ofcourse! |
| 22:13:06 | chouimat | imm: so try at 15h00 or 16h00 (your time tomorrow) |
| 22:13:21 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: k |
| 22:13:48 | imm | chouimat: ok, i will lurk and hide |
| 22:13:51 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin why would i develop OZ and still use the sharp rom ;) |
| 22:13:56 | Harlekin | ah |
| 22:14:00 | Harlekin | youre on of the oz team |
| 22:14:01 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 22:14:05 | wazlaf | kergoth`zzz: why does OZ include the complete terminfo db? |
| 22:14:14 | imm | chouimat: and when i see him i say "ZZZAAAAUUUUURRRRUUUUUSSSSSSSSS ?????????" |
| 22:14:19 | TheMasterMind1 | wazlaf why not? |
| 22:14:27 | wazlaf | takes up 2 MB ;) |
| 22:14:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:14:39 | TheMasterMind1 | good point |
| 22:14:40 | TheMasterMind1 | where is it? |
| 22:14:51 | wazlaf | /usr/share/terminfo |
| 22:14:51 | Harlekin | Onyx4: working on ogm stuff btw |
| 22:14:53 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: even with gamma left at 0, it's still very slow, it looks like it's dropping lots of frames |
| 22:15:03 | TheMasterMind1 | wazlaf hmm, ok. how much of it is actually needed/used? |
| 22:15:07 | Harlekin | Onyx4: hmm, nothing noticalbe on ipaq |
| 22:15:08 | wazlaf | i mean you really only need vt100, vt102, linux and xterm |
| 22:15:12 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: before it was runnings smooth then jump a bit, then smooth again, now it's constant slow... |
| 22:15:21 | wazlaf | maybe vt200 and vt220 but that's it |
| 22:15:24 | TheMasterMind1 | wazlaf okey doke. i'll see if i can do anything about it |
| 22:15:26 | Harlekin | Onyx4: hmm, performance tweaking is in the end |
| 22:15:35 | Harlekin | Onyx4: maybe i left too much debugging stuff in there |
| 22:15:43 | gonz | has anyone an idea if the busybox on familiar (ipaq) and zaurus/openzaurus is identical ? |
| 22:15:49 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: yeah cause it's not usable now :) |
| 22:15:55 | TheMasterMind1 | wait.. so where do i get op2? |
| 22:16:03 | wazlaf | TheMasterMind1: ok, you can really remove 98% of that package |
| 22:16:09 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: posted it above |
| 22:16:13 | TheMasterMind1 | gonz dunno. we use the cvs sources from busybox, not sure about ipaq. i would imagine the same |
| 22:16:16 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: or just get the codecs |
| 22:16:22 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: and then compile op2 from cvs |
| 22:16:37 | gonz | TheMasterMind1: tnx! |
| 22:16:43 | Onyx4 | do I have to update my op2-codecs ipk too? to get a more recent libxine.so ? |
| 22:16:50 | TheMasterMind1 | oh i see it |
| 22:16:57 | Harlekin | Onyx4: you have 2.2? |
| 22:16:57 | TheMasterMind1 | how come its not part of opie/oz? |
| 22:16:59 | gonz | i assume from cvs means with no special compile-time-options :) |
| 22:17:05 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: its not fully ready |
| 22:17:18 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: and all the changes to xine are not yet in xine cvs |
| 22:17:22 | Harlekin | and might never make it |
| 22:17:26 | TheMasterMind1 | gonz like..? the sources are patched and compiled with certain options which are hardcoded into the make file |
| 22:17:31 | Harlekin | since actually not really xine anymore |
| 22:17:37 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin i see |
| 22:17:37 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: 0.2.1 it says |
| 22:17:40 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: but i am working with the xine people on that |
| 22:17:44 | Harlekin | Onyx4: there is a 2.2 |
| 22:17:46 | Onyx4 | ah |
| 22:17:49 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin you could make it part of OZ then. |
| 22:17:52 | Harlekin | but that should not change much for divx |
| 22:18:00 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: its part of the ipaq feed |
| 22:18:05 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:18:10 | | it has been said that zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 22:18:10 | Cloudchaser | ibot zsi |
| 22:18:11 | gonz | TheMasterMind1: .. and the original makefile from cvs is used ? |
| 22:18:13 | Harlekin | just get the codecs from there |
| 22:18:24 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: and then compile op2 yourself for your oz feed |
| 22:18:24 | TheMasterMind1 | gonz no. we have a busybox.mk |
| 22:18:24 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 22:18:29 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin will do |
| 22:18:51 | TheMasterMind1 | probably need qt/opie setup before that |
| 22:18:52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:18:59 | TheMasterMind1 | still waiting on kergoth for that |
| 22:19:00 | gonz | TheMasterMind1: opie-sh-apps seem to have gotten incompatible since familiar switched to busybox or something.. |
| 22:19:12 | TheMasterMind1 | gonz howso? |
| 22:20:00 | gonz | TheMasterMind1: actually i was just told so... i have no longer a ipaq/zaurus, and was thinking to try things out on the skiffs (w/o the gui) |
| 22:20:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:20:56 | Harlekin | gonz: only 1 or 2 |
| 22:20:59 | Harlekin | afaik |
| 22:21:06 | TheMasterMind1 | we need a dependency chart maker from all the ipks in the oz feed |
| 22:21:13 | TheMasterMind1 | so its easy to figure out what depends on what |
| 22:21:23 | TheMasterMind1 | allowing us to compile stuff in the right order |
| 22:21:26 | gonz | Harlekin: any idea who knows more ? |
| 22:21:32 | Harlekin | i think groucho |
| 22:21:35 | Harlekin | maybe mail him |
| 22:21:37 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: in your opie-mediaplayer2 package, you should bump the version number in the control file, oipkg is not detecting it as new and won't install it |
| 22:21:39 | gonz | tnx |
| 22:21:52 | Harlekin | Onyx4: the timestamp should do that |
| 22:22:05 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 don't use oipkg! its evil! |
| 22:22:23 | Onyx4 | if I put the pckage in my tmp dir, it doesn't find it as an upgrade |
| 22:22:52 | wazlaf | in which feed is opie-mediaplayer2? |
| 22:22:53 | Onyx4 | so the control file needs to be updated somehow with a date in the version number or something like "a" "b" |
| 22:23:22 | Onyx4 | I can always install it manually using "ipkg" from cmdline |
| 22:23:22 | ljp | not sure if the xine libs have been released just yet |
| 22:23:22 | Onyx4 | but it's on my sd card |
| 22:23:43 | TheMasterMind1 | writes script to run ipkg and create symlinks |
| 22:23:50 | Harlekin | ljp: still only as ipk |
| 22:23:57 | Harlekin | ljp: the changes are to massiv |
| 22:24:11 | wazlaf | in which feed can i find opie-mediaplayer2? it does not seem to be on the openzaurus feed |
| 22:24:40 | TheMasterMind1 | wazlaf arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/ |
| 22:24:45 | TheMasterMind1 | its not a feed |
| 22:24:48 | TheMasterMind1 | just grab the ipks |
| 22:25:26 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: you can just copy it to the feed |
| 22:25:29 | wazlaf | TheMasterMind1: ok thx |
| 22:25:42 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: even though the player ipk would need an additional depend on the codecs |
| 22:26:26 | TheMasterMind1 | if i put both ipks in the feeD? |
| 22:26:29 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: are you in charge of the feed now? |
| 22:26:33 | Cloudchaser | keeping it up? |
| 22:26:40 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser yea i think so |
| 22:26:49 | TheMasterMind1 | updating / adding new software etc |
| 22:27:42 | Cloudchaser | ah do you test it all out before it goes on the feed? |
| 22:28:40 | Onyx4 | there is one problem when installing mediaplayer2-codecs on an SD card |
| 22:29:04 | Onyx4 | the symlinks don't work on vfat, so you have to create them manually on the root drive |
| 22:29:04 | Harlekin | the linking |
| 22:29:07 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 22:29:14 | Harlekin | feared that |
| 22:29:40 | Onyx4 | but linking like the .so.1 to .so.1.0.0 and then so to so.1 on root drive is ok |
| 22:29:44 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser yes i try to do as much testing as possible |
| 22:29:45 | TheMasterMind1 | scp: /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/feeds/3.0//opie-mediaplayer-codecs_0.2.2_arm.ipk: Permission denied |
| 22:29:47 | TheMasterMind1 | how sad |
| 22:30:12 | Onyx4 | I still get the error also when installing the codec in oipkg about not able to find the packagename.list file |
| 22:30:12 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: not my fault .) |
| 22:30:15 | Onyx4 | but then it installs fine anyway |
| 22:30:19 | Neo|Work | funny mp3 of the day: http://filesingularity.timedoctor.org/arcade_voicemail.mp3 |
| 22:30:34 | oGMo | whoa i just discovered you CAN split the screen in hancom sheet |
| 22:30:46 | TheMasterMind1 | probably better off compiling from source |
| 22:30:47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:30:49 | oGMo | this is one nifty little program, even if the others are next to useless ;) |
| 22:30:51 | TheMasterMind1 | oGMo heh |
| 22:31:20 | Ksd | how can i see the rom version? |
| 22:31:25 | oGMo | hrm, anyone heard of or used Feature Price web hosting? |
| 22:31:26 | TheMasterMind1 | sys info |
| 22:31:27 | wazlaf | How can I install the ipk to my CF card? space on / is low and the when i click the ipk file on the documents tab, it won't let me choose the destination |
| 22:31:35 | oGMo | their prices seem a bit too good to be true compared to others |
| 22:31:52 | imm | oGMo: the Hancom x86 sucks |
| 22:32:05 | oGMo | imm, never touched their other stuff |
| 22:32:20 | oGMo | imm: and honestly the word processor and presnetation program suck, too |
| 22:32:29 | wazlaf | and afaik if i install it using ipkg on the console, it won't symlink |
| 22:32:29 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: ok with the latest packages, in fullscrren mode im back to where I was I think with matrix trailer |
| 22:32:36 | oGMo | wazlaf: install it and when it asks, select CF or SD |
| 22:32:42 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: just the scaled mode is quite slow now |
| 22:32:56 | wazlaf | oGMo: i am using the OZ rom and it isn't asking me ;) |
| 22:32:58 | TheMasterMind1 | wazlaf are you using sharp rom or oz? |
| 22:33:03 | wazlaf | oz |
| 22:33:10 | TheMasterMind1 | wazlaf hmm |
| 22:33:11 | Ksd | what sofware must i use to sync with my z in linux? |
| 22:33:21 | TheMasterMind1 | Ksd qtopia desktop? |
| 22:33:24 | Harlekin | Onyx4: ok, so i need to look what happend htere |
| 22:33:39 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: i get segmentation fault |
| 22:33:47 | TheMasterMind1 | Ksd that sucks |
| 22:33:58 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't get the big deal about syncing anyway |
| 22:34:00 | oGMo | wazlaf: ah |
| 22:34:12 | wazlaf | TheMasterMind1: any way to do this on OZ? i can select the destination if i select from a feed, but it won't let me choose the destination when i install from the documents tab |
| 22:34:30 | saurus | my qtopiadesktop is broken too. |
| 22:34:36 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: i want to put my data in the Z |
| 22:34:42 | saurus | segfaults right after the splash |
| 22:34:52 | TheMasterMind1 | Ksd use ftp/scp :D |
| 22:35:14 | TheMasterMind1 | qtopia deskto pis a pos imho |
| 22:35:26 | saurus | i agree. |
| 22:35:30 | Onyx4 | yeah wait for kitchensync :) |
| 22:35:37 | saurus | i am just gonna rsync the stuff. |
| 22:35:57 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: where must i connect? |
| 22:36:08 | saurus | now that i got a good cf card. yee haaa |
| 22:37:02 | saurus | on the way back from getting a replacement i found 2 APs right by my haouse |
| 22:37:20 | chouimat | imm: sorry was away |
| 22:37:29 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: my pc don't ping to z |
| 22:39:44 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 21 hours, 56 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: the race game was fun once or twice.... [Tue Sep 3 01:43:25 2002] |
| 22:39:44 | imm | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 22:41:09 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: once we reach OZ 3.0 release, I think we ought to create a "stable" feed where people can get optional packages from and keep a seperate devel feed for newer stuff |
| 22:41:24 | | benmeyerh was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 48 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: hehe or maybe it is! [Tue Sep 3 20:52:32 2002] |
| 22:41:24 | imm | ibot seen benmeyerh |
| 22:41:31 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: otherwise it creates lots of problem when peple update their whole opie from the feed |
| 22:42:11 | wazlaf | TheMasterMind1: hmm i still haven't found a way to install this ipk to my CF card. |
| 22:42:29 | wazlaf | TheMasterMind1: it always installs it onto the internal flash |
| 22:42:49 | Onyx4 | with oipkg? |
| 22:43:10 | wazlaf | the "Software" application on the settings tab |
| 22:43:14 | wazlaf | if that is oipkg |
| 22:43:42 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 22:44:20 | rTheMasteMind1 | back! |
| 22:44:26 | Onyx4 | you can go into the "view" menu and select destinations |
| 22:44:32 | Onyx4 | so that it shows where it's going to install it |
| 22:44:41 | Onyx4 | it should say "CF and link box checked" |
| 22:44:47 | ljp | great googli-moogli! |
| 22:45:16 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 22:45:47 | | i think challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 22:45:47 | imm | ibot challenge |
| 22:46:08 | | okay, angry. |
| 22:46:08 | angry | ibot challenge is also the challenge is over fools |
| 22:46:12 | | challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or the challenge is over fools |
| 22:46:12 | angry | ibot challenge |
| 22:46:16 | angry | hehe |
| 22:46:34 | Onyx4 | URL is not even working for me |
| 22:46:39 | Onyx4 | says zaurus.com not found |
| 22:46:47 | imm | Onyx4: yep |
| 22:47:04 | | Onyx4: I forgot challenge |
| 22:47:04 | Onyx4 | ibot forget challenge |
| 22:47:12 | imm | angry: its over when we got our Z and sent in the final version |
| 22:47:24 | angry | imm: meh ;) |
| 22:47:40 | | angry, I didn't have anything matching 'challenge' |
| 22:47:40 | angry | ibot forget challenge |
| 22:47:50 | angry | okay that works too |
| 22:47:52 | | angry: sorry... |
| 22:47:52 | angry | ibot challenge |
| 22:48:00 | ljp | well, maybe if you paid URL better, he would work for you |
| 22:48:05 | | OK, angry. |
| 22:48:05 | angry | ibot challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 22:48:18 | angry | may as well leave it just in case it goes back up |
| 22:48:18 | angry | hehe |
| 22:48:25 | wazlaf | is there an alternative package manager for opie? |
| 22:48:27 | Onyx4 | =/ |
| 22:48:34 | wazlaf | because oipkg doesn't quite seem to work for me |
| 22:49:06 | Onyx4 | did you by any chance install it in the root directory by mistake the first time, and now removed it and trying to reinstall at a different place? |
| 22:49:29 | Onyx4 | because if so, oipkg keeps a record of where it's been installed before and will re-install it there |
| 22:49:47 | Onyx4 | you have to edit the /usr/lib/ipkg/status file manually and delete the entry for that package |
| 22:49:59 | Onyx4 | there is one in each moint point as well |
| 22:50:03 | wazlaf | i might have - i'll try that |
| 22:50:05 | Onyx4 | like /mnt/cf/usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 22:50:28 | Onyx4 | I had to do that once, when I installed something in flash then remove it and wanted to install it on the SD |
| 22:50:32 | Onyx4 | it's kind of a bug to me |
| 22:51:54 | ciaolinux | is it possible to connect Z to ethernet? |
| 22:52:11 | Onyx4 | yes with a CF ethernet card |
| 22:52:17 | wazlaf | ok this looks much better |
| 22:52:23 | Onyx4 | that was it heh? |
| 22:52:24 | wazlaf | however it still doesn't work :) |
| 22:52:31 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: how much is it? |
| 22:52:40 | wazlaf | Opperation not permitted while creating symlinks ... |
| 22:52:54 | Onyx4 | I didn't look for any price |
| 22:52:58 | Onyx4 | I dont have one |
| 22:53:05 | saurus | i paid $80.00 for my ether card. |
| 22:53:08 | saurus | buffalo |
| 22:53:11 | Onyx4 | ok the symlink errors are normal on SD |
| 22:53:14 | Onyx4 | and CF |
| 22:53:18 | Onyx4 | because it's using vfat |
| 22:53:18 | wazlaf | ok |
| 22:53:22 | saurus | saw them on ebay for 80 today |
| 22:53:23 | wazlaf | arrhh |
| 22:53:25 | wazlaf | d'oh |
| 22:53:35 | wazlaf | let's reformat that right now :) |
| 22:53:38 | Harlekin | Onyx4: actually that vfat issue is tricky |
| 22:53:38 | Onyx4 | you might have to create them manually |
| 22:53:40 | rTheMasteMind1 | wazlaf ext2 it |
| 22:54:02 | Onyx4 | I dont' want to try ext2 on my SD card.. |
| 22:54:07 | Onyx4 | some people says you get fs corruption |
| 22:54:17 | wazlaf | it's supposed to create problems on sd |
| 22:54:20 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 22:54:24 | wazlaf | works fine on mine tho :) |
| 22:54:28 | rTheMasteMind1 | works fine for me |
| 22:54:36 | saurus | you cant run proggies off of fat right? |
| 22:54:43 | Onyx4 | it works fine, you can |
| 22:54:49 | Onyx4 | I run all my apps from SD using vfat |
| 22:54:57 | saurus | hmmm |
| 22:55:01 | saurus | ok |
| 22:55:07 | Onyx4 | vfat is 777 by default |
| 22:55:08 | rTheMasteMind1 | gah! |
| 22:55:12 | rTheMasteMind1 | i hate this! |
| 22:55:23 | saurus | what? |
| 22:55:28 | rTheMasteMind1 | my thing goes into suspend and when it resumes, the network card won't blink anymore |
| 22:55:32 | rTheMasteMind1 | if i eject and reinsert |
| 22:55:35 | rTheMasteMind1 | it starts locking up |
| 22:56:11 | Harlekin | sounds like nodas problem |
| 22:56:20 | saurus | hmm mine doesn't go to suspend while a net card is inserted. so far anyway. |
| 22:56:40 | ciaolinux | what is the best memory card for a z? |
| 22:56:52 | Onyx4 | SD or CF? |
| 22:57:00 | ciaolinux | what is the difference? |
| 22:57:14 | saurus | anybody see the url for the sd nic? |
| 22:57:33 | saurus | is that vapour? |
| 22:57:37 | Onyx4 | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml |
| 22:57:44 | ciaolinux | thanks |
| 22:58:29 | imm | ciaolinux: arent you one of the challenge takers ? |
| 22:58:29 | saurus | if i had a sd wireless nic and the camera.... |
| 22:58:31 | Onyx4 | SD is mostly to store apps and documents, where as CF is more for movies/audio etc, SD is not fast enough for bandwith hungry apps |
| 22:58:49 | Onyx4 | and since CF you want to keep that slot empty for a wifi card or ethernet, better use SD for apps |
| 22:59:18 | rTheMasteMind1 | smacks his Z |
| 22:59:19 | rTheMasteMind1 | pos |
| 22:59:30 | saurus | oops |
| 23:00:11 | TheMasterMind1 | gargh! |
| 23:00:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i think it needs to do ifconfig eth0 down before suspend |
| 23:00:53 | ciaolinux | imm: yes i am |
| 23:01:00 | ciaolinux | imm: i am waiting for my Z |
| 23:01:10 | ciaolinux | imm: how about you? are you still waiting for it/ |
| 23:01:20 | Harlekin | ciaolinux: what did you do? |
| 23:01:38 | ciaolinux | Harlekin: formula storage |
| 23:01:47 | Harlekin | ah |
| 23:02:04 | ciaolinux | why ah? ;-) |
| 23:02:06 | ciaolinux | how about you? |
| 23:02:38 | ciaolinux | did anyone try a 512 MB card? |
| 23:02:43 | TheMasterMind1 | any non gui apps someone want ported to the Z? |
| 23:02:52 | Harlekin | just tries to find out what a formula app is |
| 23:03:02 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: freeswan |
| 23:03:03 | Harlekin | -) |
| 23:03:10 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: ipaq has it |
| 23:03:19 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: and kernel to off course |
| 23:03:34 | TheMasterMind1 | freeswan is a bitch |
| 23:03:34 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:03:42 | Harlekin | mc |
| 23:03:54 | noda | Freeswan is a bitch, but once it's working it's the best :) |
| 23:03:57 | saurus | tftp |
| 23:04:03 | saurus | dhcp |
| 23:04:11 | noda | dhcp is already ported... |
| 23:04:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm? |
| 23:04:13 | wazlaf | freeswan is great |
| 23:04:13 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: nmap .-) |
| 23:04:14 | imm | ciaolinux: yep, still waiting |
| 23:04:19 | TheMasterMind1 | it already has dhcp and dhcpcd |
| 23:04:20 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 23:04:24 | TheMasterMind1 | udhcpc and dhcpcd |
| 23:04:25 | saurus | dhcpd? |
| 23:04:30 | saurus | ok |
| 23:04:37 | saurus | tftp |
| 23:04:39 | noda | nmap would be great when hacking wireless networ-- I mean, doing network tests :) |
| 23:04:49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:04:49 | saurus | i want to put LTSP on |
| 23:04:57 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: moonbuggy |
| 23:04:59 | Harlekin | -) |
| 23:04:59 | TheMasterMind1 | noda you were having some problem with wifi cards and suspending? |
| 23:05:05 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin what's that? |
| 23:05:11 | saurus | nmap is done right. |
| 23:05:20 | TheMasterMind1 | ltsp? |
| 23:05:27 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: console game |
| 23:05:28 | Harlekin | --) |
| 23:05:33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:05:38 | saurus | Linux Terminal Server Project. |
| 23:05:57 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: can you access the z via fish yet? |
| 23:05:59 | saurus | would be the smallest yet? |
| 23:06:14 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin fish? |
| 23:06:21 | angry | ltsp = schweeeeet |
| 23:06:25 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: ssh |
| 23:06:28 | noda | Yes... |
| 23:06:29 | angry | k12ltsp = schweeeeeeeter |
| 23:06:30 | angry | hehe |
| 23:06:34 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: do you use kde? |
| 23:06:37 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i can ssh/scp to it |
| 23:06:42 | TheMasterMind1 | no i use fluxbox |
| 23:06:43 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:06:50 | Harlekin | since htere is a nice konq plugin |
| 23:06:51 | TheMasterMind1 | kde/gnome are too bloated |
| 23:06:52 | Harlekin | fish |
| 23:06:52 | noda | The cards don't seem to come back up... software-wise. Even after removing and re-loading the modules. |
| 23:07:09 | | sd is an external storage media that can be used for applications and documents. Due to it's slow speed, it is not recommended for video/audio files. http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml see also CF |
| 23:07:09 | Onyx4 | ibot: sd |
| 23:07:10 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: then you can access a unit just like via ftp |
| 23:07:12 | | somebody said cf was used for network-like devices such as wireless or ethernet and can be used with compactflash media cards which are getting cheaper everyday. Excellent for audio/video files. |
| 23:07:12 | Onyx4 | ibot: cf |
| 23:07:15 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: but via ssh/scp |
| 23:07:17 | TheMasterMind1 | noda did you try the cardmon thing, go to eject and then reinsert? |
| 23:07:22 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Yes. |
| 23:07:25 | TheMasterMind1 | noda does your card have a light? |
| 23:07:31 | TheMasterMind1 | noda define "come up" ? |
| 23:07:45 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: btw, does cardmon now show mmc/sd on zaurus too? |
| 23:07:46 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin i know i can ftp/scp to it.. |
| 23:07:51 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin yes it does |
| 23:07:58 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It's got a light, yes. And when it's found a network it stops blinking (which it does) |
| 23:07:59 | Harlekin | tried to add that |
| 23:08:00 | Harlekin | good |
| 23:08:13 | noda | After suspend, the light is off. I take the card out and put it back in and it blinks a few times then stays solid, as usual. |
| 23:08:19 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: yeah but via konq then, drag and drop copy via gui |
| 23:08:26 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: i guess quite some people would like it |
| 23:08:32 | TheMasterMind1 | noda hmm, does cardctl status / cardctl ident show the card? |
| 23:08:34 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: normally sshd is enough |
| 23:08:37 | TheMasterMind1 | noda what does work? ifconfig eth? |
| 23:08:39 | TheMasterMind1 | etc |
| 23:08:48 | noda | ifconfig works, but dhcpcd hangs. |
| 23:08:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:08:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ifconfig hangs for me |
| 23:09:03 | TheMasterMind1 | any communication with the card hangs |
| 23:09:03 | noda | Hold on, suspending it now. |
| 23:09:05 | TheMasterMind1 | what card do you have |
| 23:09:08 | noda | SMC |
| 23:09:10 | | darienm was last seen on #handhelds.org 2 hours, 13 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Tue Sep 3 21:55:40 2002] |
| 23:09:10 | erikd | ibot seen darienm |
| 23:09:15 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't seem to happen on a manual suspend either |
| 23:09:19 | TheMasterMind1 | but i haven't tested extensively |
| 23:09:27 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin what are we talking about? sshd is enough for what? |
| 23:09:40 | erikd | works fast |
| 23:09:47 | erikd | i already have a new hd on the way |
| 23:09:50 | erikd | yay! :) |
| 23:09:50 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: fish |
| 23:09:56 | Harlekin | normally |
| 23:09:59 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin i see.. |
| 23:10:02 | TheMasterMind1 | what is fish though? |
| 23:10:08 | TheMasterMind1 | aside from some type of konq plugin |
| 23:10:31 | Harlekin | http://ich.bin.kein.hoschi.de/fish/ |
| 23:10:57 | erikd | what's ich bin kein hoschi mean? |
| 23:11:27 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:11:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin nice |
| 23:11:34 | Harlekin | hard to translate |
| 23:11:46 | erikd | aka: bad stuff? :) |
| 23:11:47 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: so its just like accessing any other dir in konq |
| 23:11:51 | saurus | yeehaa cut and paste from term kismet to hancom word works. |
| 23:11:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 23:11:53 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 23:11:55 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 23:12:00 | Harlekin | erikd: i am really no |
| 23:12:10 | erikd | uhmm |
| 23:12:15 | erikd | ok |
| 23:12:16 | TheMasterMind1 | noda if you find out anything email me (z@themastermind1.net) or message me... look at logs and stuff |
| 23:12:16 | Harlekin | erikd: a hoschi is somebody that allways has to run vor the others |
| 23:12:20 | Harlekin | that is pushed arround |
| 23:12:23 | wazlaf | OpiePlayer 2 is putting my zaurus into real memory problems |
| 23:12:23 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Will do :) |
| 23:12:26 | erikd | ah |
| 23:12:31 | Harlekin | wazlaf: yeah |
| 23:12:36 | wazlaf | i continuously get messages telling me that there is not enough ram |
| 23:12:36 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: do you have any card? which SD would you suggest? |
| 23:12:39 | Harlekin | noda: please note that too |
| 23:12:42 | wazlaf | can this be? |
| 23:12:46 | Harlekin | wazlaf: which Z |
| 23:12:50 | Harlekin | wazlaf: and when was last reboot |
| 23:12:58 | Harlekin | wazlaf: and which rom |
| 23:13:13 | Onyx4 | ciaolinux: I bought a simpletech 64MB on buy.com for like 40$ , been working like a charm, I have also a 256MB CF lexar that I paid 90$ on buy.com |
| 23:13:27 | wazlaf | Harklekin: SL5000D - about 2hrs ago - latest OZ |
| 23:13:28 | Onyx4 | ciaolinux: the simpletech is SD |
| 23:13:39 | chayim | ciaolinux : I happily use a sandisk 64mb which I bought on ebay (SD) |
| 23:14:01 | Harlekin | wazlaf: yeah, the 5000 is real short on mem |
| 23:14:06 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: the lexar is 4x? |
| 23:14:07 | Onyx4 | wazlaf: which kernel did you pick? |
| 23:14:13 | ciaolinux | chayim: how much did you pay for it? |
| 23:14:16 | Harlekin | wazlaf: you might want to wait 2 week until after the mem optimations |
| 23:14:18 | wazlaf | 26-4 |
| 23:14:27 | Onyx4 | ciaolinux: lexar one is "unrated" in terms of speed, it doesn't say, it was like a "value" one |
| 23:14:35 | wazlaf | but this is really insane, it eats up all the memory ;) |
| 23:14:37 | chayim | ciaolinux : about $30 new (ebay again) |
| 23:14:42 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 23:14:46 | oGMo | Harlekin: mem optimizations? |
| 23:14:55 | Harlekin | oGMo: opē still is very mem hungry |
| 23:14:55 | tux_mike | wonders where he can get true color LEDs |
| 23:14:56 | Onyx4 | wazlaf: even with 40MB of ram, I still get the errors on big divx files with op2 |
| 23:14:59 | Harlekin | oGMo: working on that |
| 23:15:03 | oGMo | Harlekin: ah |
| 23:15:04 | wazlaf | but it looks really cool |
| 23:15:06 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: on cnet, it looks like there are lexar up to 24x |
| 23:15:12 | Harlekin | oGMo: thats why it is pre pre pre beta2 |
| 23:15:23 | oGMo | Harlekin: what's op^2? ;) |
| 23:15:30 | Harlekin | opie player 2 |
| 23:15:33 | Onyx4 | yeah, not sure what speed rating is the one I have, but 4x seems to be enough for divx playback anyway |
| 23:15:41 | oGMo | ahh |
| 23:15:57 | Harlekin | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=432 |
| 23:16:01 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: that is good to know... what software do you use to play divx? |
| 23:16:02 | wazlaf | can this thing play back divx 5? |
| 23:16:03 | ljp | its a secret codeword |
| 23:16:09 | Harlekin | and ignore the typos |
| 23:16:14 | Harlekin | wazlaf: yes |
| 23:16:20 | Onyx4 | ciaolinux: op2 |
| 23:16:21 | wazlaf | sweeet |
| 23:16:36 | Harlekin | and many more |
| 23:16:43 | Harlekin | even more coming |
| 23:16:47 | ciaolinux | can you store an entire movie with 256Mega? |
| 23:16:49 | Harlekin | mod, ogm |
| 23:17:00 | Harlekin | ciaolinux: hehe, ask master Onyx4 |
| 23:17:02 | noda | ciaolinux: Yeah, it's kinda tight but you can make it :) |
| 23:17:17 | Onyx4 | I did LOTR on 256MB |
| 23:17:23 | Onyx4 | so if that fits, anything else fits |
| 23:17:35 | ciaolinux | is there a good divx warez website for z? ;-) |
| 23:17:38 | Onyx4 | with XviD codec you get amazing results |
| 23:17:46 | Onyx4 | www.pocketmatrix.com |
| 23:17:54 | | transcode is a linux video processing tool that can be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. see http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt |
| 23:17:54 | Onyx4 | ibot: transcode |
| 23:18:00 | Harlekin | Onyx4: you use XviD? |
| 23:18:03 | Harlekin | Onyx4: not divx5? |
| 23:18:07 | Onyx4 | XviD yes |
| 23:18:13 | Harlekin | oh |
| 23:18:21 | Harlekin | how was divx5 compared? |
| 23:18:23 | wazlaf | is it better than divx? |
| 23:18:25 | Onyx4 | XviD tough on playbakc is compatible with mpeg4 |
| 23:18:25 | Harlekin | size/performance |
| 23:18:32 | Onyx4 | so no plugin required for playback of XviD |
| 23:18:36 | Harlekin | ah |
| 23:18:48 | Onyx4 | xvid 2 pass imho is better than divx5 2 pass |
| 23:18:51 | Harlekin | so opē can play XviD too |
| 23:18:54 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 23:19:00 | Onyx4 | the LOTR I sent you is XviD |
| 23:19:34 | Harlekin | k |
| 23:19:42 | Harlekin | which runs really great here |
| 23:19:57 | Harlekin | Onyx4: btw, the "ruckler" you mentioned |
| 23:20:04 | Harlekin | Onyx4: are they periodicly? |
| 23:20:26 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: whenever there seems to be a big motion |
| 23:20:33 | Harlekin | ah |
| 23:20:37 | Harlekin | so not connected to loading |
| 23:20:39 | wazlaf | will opē play ogg? |
| 23:20:45 | Harlekin | wazlaf: is allready does |
| 23:20:54 | wazlaf | oh i am starting to kind of like this |
| 23:20:54 | Harlekin | wazlaf: also streamed ogg via icecast and http |
| 23:20:57 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: like when the matrix thing at the end before it displays the title |
| 23:21:08 | Harlekin | Onyx4: yeah, that is know |
| 23:21:08 | wazlaf | can i help optimize those "memory problems"? ;) |
| 23:21:17 | wazlaf | are they leaks? |
| 23:21:18 | Harlekin | Onyx4: but it did not occur here on lotr |
| 23:21:23 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: when the letters falls down at the beginning it also blocks a few times there |
| 23:21:33 | Harlekin | wazlaf: no, it just bloated right now and full of debug stuff |
| 23:21:39 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: yeah on LOTR is does it too on OZ |
| 23:21:41 | Harlekin | wazlaf: will get better the next too weeks |
| 23:21:43 | imm | anyone know how this repeat-the-four-color-in-the-given-order game was called ? |
| 23:21:48 | wazlaf | Harlekin: are you coding this app? |
| 23:21:49 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: It was faster I think on sharp rom for some reason |
| 23:21:56 | | op2 is opieplayer2, amediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play mp3, ogg and MPEG4(divx/xvid) movies (and may other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. |
| 23:21:56 | Onyx4 | ibot: op2 |
| 23:22:34 | Harlekin | noda: later add your howto to that ibot entry .-) |
| 23:22:46 | noda | Harlekin: mm? |
| 23:22:58 | noda | Harlekin: I'm about 40% done btw, just had a long phone call :) |
| 23:23:05 | Harlekin | noda: mm? |
| 23:23:24 | Harlekin | wazlaf: but oggs should play without memory waring |
| 23:23:34 | noda | Harlekin: Oh, sorry, I misread. I don't know how to add things to ibot :) |
| 23:23:36 | wazlaf | i can't even start it without warnings |
| 23:23:40 | wazlaf | Harlekin: so is this going to be able to playback divx on the SL5000D? |
| 23:23:46 | Harlekin | noda: what was the url? |
| 23:23:52 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:23:56 | TheMasterMind1 | back |
| 23:23:58 | | imm: i'm not following you... |
| 23:23:58 | imm | ibot repeat-the-four-color-in-the-given-order game |
| 23:24:01 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 23:24:15 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I can play matrix trailer without any mem errors, but even If I play 45 minute sample of LOTR it complains about ram |
| 23:24:21 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I think it's the index that it tries to hold in ram |
| 23:24:46 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I'd have to cut the files in small chunks to work right now |
| 23:24:49 | Cloudchaser | i got ram error yesterday after z sat idle for a while |
| 23:25:03 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: with op2 |
| 23:25:06 | Cloudchaser | i went to use it and it kept sayig i have enough memory now |
| 23:25:07 | Harlekin | or just sitting their plain |
| 23:25:15 | Harlekin | Onyx4: sorry for that |
| 23:25:31 | Harlekin | Onyx4: maybe need to think of a way to handle the index better |
| 23:25:35 | Cloudchaser | oh not with op2 |
| 23:25:40 | wazlaf | is there any way to switch the kernel without reflashing the whole zaurus? |
| 23:25:45 | Harlekin | which will make seeking much more complicated |
| 23:25:46 | | imm: what? |
| 23:25:46 | imm | ibot press-the-four-color-buttons-in-the-given-order game |
| 23:25:50 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: so theres a mem leak somewehre |
| 23:25:50 | Cloudchaser | it sat then i went to use it and did a couple things and got htat error |
| 23:25:51 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: mplayer can play with index disabled, but then no seeking is possible |
| 23:25:57 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: or its 2.4.16 |
| 23:26:07 | Harlekin | Onyx4: yeah, as i said .-) |
| 23:26:07 | Cloudchaser | i don't think i have that |
| 23:26:14 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: 2.4.6 |
| 23:26:14 | noda | Harlekin: Oh, sorry, http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_symlinks.php |
| 23:26:15 | Harlekin | i ment |
| 23:26:16 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:26:19 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: maybe we can reduce the index to just a few seekpoints in the movie? |
| 23:26:22 | noda | Harlekin: I'll be committing in a couple of minutes :) |
| 23:26:31 | Cloudchaser | i didn't update so i have last 2.9.5.5 |
| 23:26:35 | | OK, Harlekin. |
| 23:26:35 | Harlekin | ibot: learn op2 is also read http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_symlinks.php |
| 23:26:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how is the kernel/makefile method stuff coming? |
| 23:26:38 | | op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. |
| 23:26:38 | Harlekin | ibot: op2 |
| 23:27:11 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: since that old VM in 2.4.6 was also known to full all swap without any reason |
| 23:27:15 | Harlekin | when idleing |
| 23:27:29 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 23:27:30 | | i guess op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. or read http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_symlinks.php |
| 23:27:30 | Onyx4 | ibot: op2 |
| 23:27:33 | Harlekin | noda: maybe make that http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 23:27:42 | noda | Sure, will rename. |
| 23:27:47 | Harlekin | -) |
| 23:27:55 | TheMasterMind1 | the page don't work |
| 23:27:56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:27:59 | TheMasterMind1 | :4242 ? |
| 23:28:02 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 23:28:06 | Harlekin | 4243 |
| 23:28:07 | Harlekin | maybe |
| 23:28:13 | TheMasterMind1 | why not 80? |
| 23:28:22 | Harlekin | look like a qtopia joke |
| 23:28:31 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:29:12 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: if you remember the backdoors |
| 23:29:14 | noda | 4242 |
| 23:29:17 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:29:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i rememberthat stuff |
| 23:29:31 | noda | My ISP blocks port 80. They think people'll run web servers or something :P |
| 23:29:32 | TheMasterMind1 | noda find anything out? did it lock up on you when manually suspended? |
| 23:29:34 | noda | grins. |
| 23:29:39 | TheMasterMind1 | mine doesn't block 80 |
| 23:29:41 | Harlekin | need to talk to TT to adjust qtopia desktop at least |
| 23:29:42 | TheMasterMind1 | and i have a nice upload |
| 23:29:44 | TheMasterMind1 | 40KB/sec |
| 23:29:53 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Haven't been doing anything, working on this howto. Almost done, just need one more sentence then a bit of style :) |
| 23:30:00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:30:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:30:09 | TheMasterMind1 | email me at z@themastermind1.net then |
| 23:30:10 | Harlekin | noda: tnx |
| 23:30:27 | Harlekin | noda: maybe we can make that a real howto |
| 23:30:28 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:33:25 | noda | Okay, It's up without a stylesheet now. Two more secs and I'll put something basic in there. Please let me know if there are any typos :) |
| 23:34:20 | noda | Holy SHIT... I've just spent 2 minutes closing xterms and there are still too many open :) |
| 23:35:37 | Harlekin | maybe also the memory waring |
| 23:35:43 | noda | Sure thing. |
| 23:35:44 | Harlekin | and that its pre |
| 23:35:46 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 23:35:58 | Harlekin | noda: thanks a lot |
| 23:36:08 | noda | No prob! Glad I can help :) |
| 23:36:17 | Harlekin | next step would be to know which difficulties retail rom people have |
| 23:36:55 | | op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. or read http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_symlinks.php |
| 23:36:55 | Harlekin | ibot: op2 |
| 23:36:59 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:37:04 | Harlekin | that need adjustment |
| 23:37:10 | Onyx4 | what do you want to set it to? |
| 23:37:29 | Harlekin | oh sorry |
| 23:37:31 | Harlekin | its right |
| 23:37:43 | Harlekin | or not |
| 23:37:48 | Harlekin | Onyx4: http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 23:37:54 | Onyx4 | ok I'll change it |
| 23:38:27 | Harlekin | forget op2 |
| 23:38:30 | Harlekin | and set new text |
| 23:38:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:38:41 | | op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 23:38:41 | Onyx4 | ibot: op2 |
| 23:38:44 | Onyx4 | that's what I did |
| 23:39:10 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: where do you get the movies from? |
| 23:39:42 | Onyx4 | you make them yourself |
| 23:39:44 | Harlekin | Onyx4: ,-) |
| 23:39:45 | | i guess transcode is a linux video processing tool that can be used to encode divx movies for the zaurus. see http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt |
| 23:39:45 | Onyx4 | ibot: transcode |
| 23:39:48 | Onyx4 | with this program |
| 23:40:06 | Onyx4 | this will convert existing DivX movies to the format zaurus needs |
| 23:40:16 | Harlekin | Onyx4: when i get home next week ill convert my dvd collection and set up a streaming server for myself .-) |
| 23:40:35 | Onyx4 | but you can also just take your real DVDs and convert them into DivX too but that's a bit more tricky |
| 23:40:51 | wazlaf | the "There is enough memory again" messages are kind of annoying ;) |
| 23:40:55 | Onyx4 | you can get samples at www.pocketmatrix.com |
| 23:40:56 | Harlekin | Onyx4: but ill go directly for ogm i think |
| 23:41:08 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: yeah I need to check ogm support in transcode |
| 23:41:13 | Harlekin | wazlaf: sorry, in 2 weeks |
| 23:41:18 | W|GGL|T | i just created a Zaurus SL5x00 webring |
| 23:41:20 | Harlekin | Onyx4: i think its not in yet |
| 23:41:36 | Harlekin | Onyx4: maybe ask oestrich if he thought about it yet |
| 23:41:41 | mutexer | is this legal? QVector<QVector<QCanvasSprite>> map; |
| 23:41:47 | wazlaf | Harlekin: can i help in any way? do you have a CVS? |
| 23:41:55 | Cloudchaser | hiya W|GGL|T |
| 23:41:59 | mutexer | is there a better way to do a 2d vector? |
| 23:42:10 | Harlekin | wazlaf: opie cvs |
| 23:42:16 | W|GGL|T | anyone wanna be in the Zaurus webring, /msg me your email addy and I'll send you data |
| 23:42:25 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser! |
| 23:42:25 | Harlekin | wazlaf: but not hte codecs |
| 23:42:37 | Harlekin | wazlaf: best help is right now to report all problems |
| 23:42:37 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:42:41 | wazlaf | Harlekin: for how long have you been working on this? |
| 23:42:49 | Harlekin | wazlaf: 1 month |
| 23:43:12 | wazlaf | works pretty well already |
| 23:43:20 | Harlekin | wazlaf: but not allone |
| 23:43:27 | Cloudchaser | W|GGL|T : i'd need a web page first |
| 23:43:33 | Harlekin | the playlist was taken from ljps work on op1 |
| 23:43:35 | W|GGL|T | heheh...true |
| 23:43:45 | Harlekin | with video out i got help from sandman and zecke |
| 23:43:46 | | W|GGL|T: sorry... |
| 23:43:46 | W|GGL|T | ibot see sig |
| 23:43:50 | | sig was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 21 hours, 7 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: heh [Sun Sep 1 03:36:12 2002] |
| 23:43:50 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen sig |
| 23:43:52 | Harlekin | since that need a lot of testing |
| 23:44:05 | Cloudchaser | i'd like to have one... |
| 23:44:30 | W|GGL|T | ive got webspace if you need it |
| 23:44:45 | druiid | kergoth: you around? |
| 23:45:04 | wazlaf | Harlekin: how do you play divx? ffmpeg? |
| 23:45:10 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 23:45:13 | Cloudchaser | i should see if i get any with my isp |
| 23:45:24 | Harlekin | wazlaf: only way to go on arm |
| 23:45:29 | Cloudchaser | but then i'd have to do html stuff |
| 23:46:43 | W|GGL|T | using frontpage or something really simple and keeping it to text shouldn't be too hard |
| 23:46:59 | Cloudchaser | i'm going windowless |
| 23:47:12 | Cloudchaser | if i don't go nuts first |
| 23:47:19 | Cloudchaser | is wrestling with samba |
| 23:47:39 | Cloudchaser | i've been getting virused right and left |
| 23:48:01 | ciaolinux | does anyone know what is a compactflash card Types I and II? |
| 23:48:23 | W|GGL|T | oh really?? |
| 23:48:42 | W|GGL|T | uses PC-Cillin...deletes anything suspicious |
| 23:49:24 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: have you ever heard of that? |
| 23:49:31 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 23:49:44 | Onyx4 | they are different types like pcmcia type I and II respectively |
| 23:49:48 | noda | mutters about IE not even supportion <q> in HTML... |
| 23:49:59 | Onyx4 | just stick with the known cards that works and you'll be ok |
| 23:50:00 | Cloudchaser | i have antivirus .. and don't think i actually got infected, just get daily virus mails |
| 23:50:08 | Harlekin | Onyx4: but not 3,3 V and 16 bit, right? |
| 23:50:20 | Harlekin | but both i ment |
| 23:50:34 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: well I was intentioned to buy a Nikon coolpix and i am reading that is "Compatible with CompactFlash Card Types I and II for enhanced media versatility" |
| 23:51:02 | Onyx4 | I think zaurus supports type I and maybe II not sure |
| 23:51:05 | ciaolinux | Onyx4: i guess that it is more expansive, but it would be cool if i can use the same card for both the nikon and the z |
| 23:51:19 | Onyx4 | I use my same CF cards for my kodak dc-280 and my Z |
| 23:51:36 | wazlaf | where is $QTDIR on OZ? |
| 23:51:42 | Onyx4 | most CF memory cards are all universal |
| 23:51:46 | ciaolinux | when the type is not specified does it mean that is I? |
| 23:51:53 | Onyx4 | I think yes |
| 23:51:59 | ciaolinux | ok.. thanks |
| 23:52:03 | Harlekin | n8 |
| 23:52:14 | Onyx4 | type is more important when you get into devices other than memory |
| 23:52:23 | Onyx4 | memory is almost standard on CF |
| 23:52:41 | noda | All right, I think I'm done my little howto - http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 23:53:38 | Harlekin | looks great |
| 23:53:39 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:53:47 | Cloudchaser | i wouldn't do it though myself |
| 23:53:56 | Harlekin | lets set what gets added as soon as the first retail rom user tries it |
| 23:53:57 | noda | Mmm, I love seeing this: "Congratulations, this document validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict!" |
| 23:54:03 | noda | Heh :) |
| 23:54:08 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:54:10 | Cloudchaser | no offense but if i have to go through that i'll use something else |
| 23:54:24 | noda | I've put my email address at the bottom just for that reason :) |
| 23:54:26 | Harlekin | noda: on off our opie.info maintainer loves that too |
| 23:54:40 | Harlekin | and hits me on the fingers each time i break it with some fance layout stuff |
| 23:54:44 | Onyx4 | you may want to add known issues, like mem and performance optimizations |
| 23:54:45 | noda | on off? |
| 23:54:57 | Harlekin | one off |
| 23:55:01 | Harlekin | too tired to type |
| 23:55:05 | noda | Ohhhh, I see now :) |
| 23:55:18 | noda | I've got the mem info... |
| 23:55:21 | noda | It's in the notes. |
| 23:55:40 | noda | Cloudchaser: Seriously, though, you copy/paste the monospace stuff into an ssh terminal and that's it :) |
| 23:56:03 | Cloudchaser | you have to do all that to install op2? didn't have to the last time i tried it |
| 23:56:15 | Harlekin | noda: maybe more subsection the next days |
| 23:56:21 | Harlekin | noda: known issues |
| 23:56:24 | Harlekin | symlinks |
| 23:56:29 | Harlekin | report bugs |
| 23:56:30 | Harlekin | etc |
| 23:56:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:56:43 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: just if you install on a vfat sd card |
| 23:56:53 | Harlekin | afaik |
| 23:56:54 | noda | Known issues... sounds suspiciously like this page'll need maintenance :P |
| 23:57:03 | noda | Harlekin: It's your lucky day! Want a CVS account? ;) |
| 23:57:09 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:57:10 | Harlekin | no |
| 23:57:13 | Harlekin | ill send diffs |
| 23:57:14 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:57:16 | noda | grins like a lazy guy :) |
| 23:57:20 | noda | Heh, thanks :) |
| 23:57:22 | Harlekin | or make you the maintainer |
| 23:57:23 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:57:32 | noda | lol - well, you've got my email. |
| 23:57:34 | Cloudchaser | wouldn't installing it to sd card affect performance badly? |
| 23:57:37 | Harlekin | but as soon as i am home next week ill send you some extra text |
| 23:57:46 | noda | Cloudchaser: Only when it first loads. Once it's loaded, it's in memory. |
| 23:57:51 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: start up performance at least |
| 23:57:55 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 23:57:55 | noda | Cool, will put it in. Only takes like 4 minutes. |
| 23:58:07 | noda | Hrm... I forgot what I was doing... |
| 23:58:15 | noda | Oh yeah, was gonna watch The Matrix trailer! :) |
| 23:58:31 | noda | ooooohhhhhh.... but why stop at the trailer! *considers ripping and encoding it* |
| 23:58:34 | mutexer | If I have a class that contains a pointer....How do I point to a method of the object that pointer is pointing too? |
| 23:58:49 | mutexer | err |
| 23:58:59 | mutexer | If I have a pointer that contains a pointer....How do I point to a method of the object that pointer is pointing too? |
| 23:59:10 | Harlekin | noda: i guess you cannot rip matrix2 yet |
| 23:59:50 | noda | Bah, the original :) |
| 23:59:58 | wazlaf | mutexer: you need to resolve the first pointer and cast it to the object you need |
