| 00:00:17 | W|GGL|T | how to you disable kismet logs? |
| 00:01:24 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 00:01:39 | TheMasterMind1 | what's the best thing to use to clean the Z screen? |
| 00:03:48 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: Windex :) |
| 00:04:54 | TheMasterMind1 | really? |
| 00:05:05 | TheMasterMind1 | or will that melt my screen or something |
| 00:05:43 | ljp | I lick mine |
| 00:05:46 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: I don't know. try the stuff for glasses |
| 00:06:12 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: try a cat |
| 00:06:50 | goshawk` | I recall that nushield.com had cleaning solution for PDA's |
| 00:07:05 | wezzel | Where do I find good cases for my Z. I'm looking for one I can use on a belt |
| 00:07:06 | goshawk` | unsure how that differs from any other cleaning solution ever made (e.g. camera optics) |
| 00:07:28 | ljp | cats are too hairy to lick |
| 00:08:07 | goshawk` | wezzel: xigma.jp had some cases for the earlier Japanese Zaurus' |
| 00:08:20 | goshawk` | which are a similiar fit to the SL's |
| 00:08:23 | goshawk` | so they may work |
| 00:08:24 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: hehe. I meant use a cat to lick your Z |
| 00:09:57 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have the silver paint coming off? |
| 00:10:09 | TheMasterMind1 | or accidentally snapped their keyboard sliding cover with the buttons off? |
| 00:11:10 | ljp | yes.. both |
| 00:11:38 | ljp | one of mine got knocked off the desk.. the keyboard and the screen cover flew off |
| 00:12:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 00:12:47 | TheMasterMind1 | moves zaurus away from edge of desk |
| 00:12:47 | jbwiv | wezzel: I got a generic pda case from Targus. I think it cost me $9.99. It works perfectly well. |
| 00:13:35 | jbwiv | wezzel: and the price is right. Due to the Z's extra length, it offsets the case's velcro just a bit. I just sewed an extra 1/2 strip to the cover. |
| 00:15:05 | W|GGL|T | has the piel frama case |
| 00:15:07 | W|GGL|T | awesome |
| 00:15:29 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26063.png |
| 00:15:30 | whardier | woot |
| 00:15:33 | whardier | vic rules |
| 00:15:44 | whardier | is pushing 30fps video to his Z |
| 00:15:54 | erikd | anyone with some phat bandwidth feel like tarring up /opt/Qtopia and sending it to me? :) |
| 00:16:02 | erikd | i can't get this stupid rpm to install |
| 00:16:09 | ljp | heh is that a prisoner in prison? |
| 00:16:17 | whardier | hehe |
| 00:16:30 | ljp | erkid: why? |
| 00:16:52 | erikd | the qtopia-freeblahblahblah.i386.rpm won't install |
| 00:16:58 | erikd | even when i force it |
| 00:17:37 | Wembly | ill... probly be crashing now... |
| 00:17:38 | Wembly | bbl |
| 00:19:19 | ljp | erikd: I would, but I dont use the qtopia free version.. there is a utility to rpm->tarball |
| 00:19:37 | erikd | ljp: oh? know what it's called? |
| 00:19:48 | Bala | http://geocities.com/rrusaw74/snapshot4.png .. stupid jpgs... |
| 00:19:56 | erikd | i tried rpm2cpio too |
| 00:21:26 | | i think oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 00:21:26 | moot | ibot: oz |
| 00:21:35 | moot | yay source if back |
| 00:21:38 | moot | is* |
| 00:21:46 | Bala | is it? |
| 00:21:49 | moot | yep |
| 00:21:52 | moot | gets new oz |
| 00:21:52 | ljp | you tried rpm --nodeps --force |
| 00:22:55 | erikd | oooh... --nodeps |
| 00:22:59 | erikd | i didn't know about that one |
| 00:23:01 | erikd | tries |
| 00:23:09 | KallDrexx | does the Z take a type I or type II compact flash? |
| 00:23:33 | erikd | there it goes. sweet |
| 00:23:34 | erikd | thanks |
| 00:23:57 | moot | i think it supports both |
| 00:24:01 | moot | get type ii tho |
| 00:24:09 | Fatbum | prism 2.5 is good, no? |
| 00:25:06 | KallDrexx | moot: hmm ok |
| 00:25:26 | ljp | erikd: alien can convert rpms |
| 00:25:36 | erikd | ljp: to tarballs? |
| 00:25:46 | erikd | i know it can do debs |
| 00:25:47 | ljp | I believe so |
| 00:25:51 | erikd | cool |
| 00:26:05 | erikd | well, rpm really screwed up my system. nothing runs anymore |
| 00:26:05 | erikd | brb |
| 00:26:08 | erikd | gotta reboot |
| 00:26:28 | KallDrexx | anyone know of a reason why a Viking 256mb CF woudln't work? |
| 00:26:48 | chouimat|Zzzz | KallDrexx: the controler? |
| 00:26:57 | KallDrexx | chouimat|Zzzz: controller? |
| 00:27:18 | chouimat|Zzzz | KallDrexx: I don't know. |
| 00:27:29 | KallDrexx | chouimat|Zzzz: i'm talking about the compact flash card... |
| 00:28:01 | chouimat|Zzzz | KallDrexx: I know. |
| 00:28:15 | KallDrexx | chouimat|Zzzz: oh.. you send your app in? |
| 00:28:28 | chouimat|Zzzz | yup |
| 00:28:35 | Junxster | does the z support 256bit WEP w/the linksys CF card? |
| 00:28:50 | KallDrexx | chouimat|Zzzz: cool |
| 00:29:09 | chouimat|Zzzz | KallDrexx: I know that with my palm some SD card don't work because of some incompatibilities between the device controller and the card one |
| 00:29:22 | KallDrexx | shrugs |
| 00:30:00 | chouimat|Zzzz | KallDrexx: it's the case with the SanDisk 128MB (don't work) but the toshiba one work |
| 00:33:55 | TheMasterMind1 | Junxster: 256bit wep doesn't exist.. |
| 00:33:57 | moot | hrm |
| 00:34:17 | Junxster | that's weird, coz I just configured my linksys to support it... |
| 00:34:35 | TheMasterMind1 | wep is 64 or 128 |
| 00:34:47 | Junxster | perhaps it is a linksys proprietary.... |
| 00:34:48 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 00:34:48 | TheMasterMind1 | 40 |
| 00:34:49 | KallDrexx | chouimat|Zzzz: so sandisk doesn't work |
| 00:34:50 | KallDrexx | ? |
| 00:34:50 | TheMasterMind1 | or 128 |
| 00:35:03 | TheMasterMind1 | the sandisk 128 are supposed to work in the newest rom |
| 00:35:06 | TheMasterMind1 | the 2.38 |
| 00:35:10 | TheMasterMind1 | and the latest OZ |
| 00:35:13 | KallDrexx | I"m getting a 256 tho |
| 00:35:18 | KallDrexx | i'm trying to find a good brand that works |
| 00:35:31 | KallDrexx | viking and lextor (sp) are cheap |
| 00:35:33 | KallDrexx | as well as sandisk |
| 00:35:50 | TheMasterMind1 | is this CF or sd? |
| 00:35:53 | KallDrexx | CF |
| 00:36:00 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 00:36:03 | TheMasterMind1 | all the cf should work fine |
| 00:36:06 | TheMasterMind1 | its the sd with the problems |
| 00:36:08 | KallDrexx | they hsould? |
| 00:36:19 | moot | herm |
| 00:36:23 | TheMasterMind1 | sandisk 16-512meg CF work just fine |
| 00:36:27 | moot | where do you edit the usbdnet thing |
| 00:36:36 | KallDrexx | dunno I was told CF has to have drivers for it to work fine |
| 00:36:38 | KallDrexx | or something along those lines |
| 00:36:40 | moot | its not in /root/hotplug/usbdnet.conf |
| 00:36:43 | moot | where is it :/ |
| 00:36:46 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx: no, it works |
| 00:36:52 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.10672.png |
| 00:36:55 | TheMasterMind1 | you can see sharp's site |
| 00:37:06 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: we talking about all CF's or just the sandisk? where on sharps' site? |
| 00:37:10 | ljp | has a fujifilm 64mb cf that works |
| 00:37:22 | TheMasterMind1 | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/peri.asp |
| 00:37:29 | TheMasterMind1 | the 8-320meg work |
| 00:37:47 | ljp | heh my cats outside listening to all the birds |
| 00:38:14 | KallDrexx | so that's the only one that sharp says works? |
| 00:38:26 | TheMasterMind1 | they all work |
| 00:38:34 | TheMasterMind1 | but the sandisks officially work |
| 00:38:44 | KallDrexx | are there any difference between brands? |
| 00:38:48 | TheMasterMind1 | not really |
| 00:39:09 | TheMasterMind1 | lexar are repackaged sandisks i think |
| 00:39:11 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure |
| 00:39:19 | KallDrexx | are vikings good? |
| 00:39:23 | goshawk` | have they resolved the "issues" in sandisk's SD's? |
| 00:39:24 | TheMasterMind1 | seem to be |
| 00:39:25 | KallDrexx | do they all go at the same speed? |
| 00:39:31 | TheMasterMind1 | goshawk`: yes, in the latest rom |
| 00:39:36 | KallDrexx | cause vikings is the only one with speed info heh |
| 00:39:39 | ljp | fujifilm one works fine |
| 00:39:53 | goshawk` | master: cool. thank you. |
| 00:40:07 | KallDrexx | ljp: hmm don't see one for less than $100 from them tho |
| 00:40:30 | ljp | the one I got was the cheapest I could find |
| 00:40:40 | KallDrexx | si yorus 256? |
| 00:40:45 | ljp | this was some months ago, tho |
| 00:40:49 | KallDrexx | vikings is faster than the lexer one |
| 00:41:24 | KallDrexx | buy.com doens't have any fuji ones |
| 00:42:18 | KallDrexx | hmm I guess i'll get hte viking, and if it doens't work with it i'll just exchange it for a sandisk |
| 00:43:56 | KallDrexx | thanks for your help guys |
| 00:43:58 | KallDrexx | adios |
| 00:44:21 | ljp | heh ya I got the fujifilm from the camera dept at Target |
| 00:45:32 | goshawk` | I am thinking of just getting a microdrive to use at home, and just use SD cards from now on |
| 00:46:03 | goshawk` | the CF slot is usually occupied, so it is becomes cumbersome to get things done when you are online |
| 00:46:46 | goshawk` | not sure how bad the heat issues with the microdrives are, though |
| 00:47:26 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:47:28 | DaWorm | i heard they heat like hell |
| 00:47:33 | TheMasterMind1 | they're pretty bad |
| 00:47:37 | TheMasterMind1 | 70 degrees |
| 00:47:44 | DaWorm | nasty |
| 00:47:50 | TheMasterMind1 | Continuous use of the Microdrive increases the temperature reaching 60C to 70C, and exceeds the guaranteed operation temperature range. SHARP DOES NOT RECOMMEND using microdrive on the Sharp SL-5xxx series. |
| 00:48:00 | TheMasterMind1 | 70 celsius!!! |
| 00:49:25 | Wembly | ouch |
| 00:49:46 | Wembly | need a cooling fan on that thing |
| 00:50:47 | goshawk` | I was worried that the Zaurus might be damaged in the long term |
| 00:51:13 | goshawk` | I am wondering if anyone makes any kind of "extension" that gives about two or three inches, so the microdrive actually protrudes out of the Zaurus |
| 00:51:27 | goshawk` | because as hot as it gets, at least it won't be in contact with the Zaurus |
| 00:51:30 | goshawk` | *shrug* |
| 00:51:56 | Wembly | why not also look for a cf to pcmcia converter? |
| 00:52:50 | moot | why would you if you could only use it for a laptop... |
| 00:52:55 | moot | or youd have to buy a pci adapter |
| 00:52:59 | moot | :/ |
| 00:53:29 | Wembly | herm? |
| 00:53:37 | goshawk` | wembly: true, but the microdrive is a CF drive |
| 00:53:47 | Wembly | something that lets you plug pcmcia cards into cf slots |
| 00:53:48 | goshawk` | or am I missing something? |
| 00:54:01 | TheMasterMind1 | yes it is a cf |
| 00:54:02 | goshawk` | oh! I see, and get the PCMCIA version? |
| 00:54:05 | Wembly | tho it probly dosnt exist. |
| 00:54:25 | goshawk` | are the power requirements identical? |
| 00:54:25 | Wembly | pcmcic cards that let you plug in cf cards exist. |
| 00:54:30 | moot | erm |
| 00:54:30 | Wembly | dunno if the other way around exists. |
| 00:54:32 | moot | that doesnt exist. |
| 00:54:38 | Wembly | most likely not. |
| 00:55:06 | goshawk` | actually, I have seen those |
| 00:55:14 | moot | where??? |
| 00:55:27 | goshawk` | well, I believe the FAQ mentioned |
| 00:55:28 | goshawk` | it |
| 00:55:41 | Fatbum | prism 2.5 is good, no? |
| 00:55:43 | goshawk` | I meant to say I have seen those mentioned |
| 00:55:50 | moot | ahh |
| 00:56:00 | Fatbum | http://www.sycard.com/cflash.html |
| 00:56:04 | Fatbum | check it |
| 00:56:05 | Wembly | the pcmcia cards that let you use cf cards? |
| 00:56:10 | Fatbum | something like that |
| 00:56:15 | goshawk` | wembly: yeah |
| 00:56:18 | moot | sweet |
| 00:56:18 | moot | no |
| 00:56:20 | goshawk` | and vice-versa |
| 00:56:20 | Wembly | yea |
| 00:56:22 | moot | thats a extender |
| 00:56:27 | Fatbum | exactly |
| 00:56:28 | moot | nice niec nice |
| 00:56:32 | moot | wants a microdrive now |
| 00:56:35 | Wembly | goshawk: dunno if it does it the other way. |
| 00:56:36 | moot | i was going to make my own one of those :/ |
| 00:56:37 | goshawk` | sort of, but I was thinking of a CF to CF "adapter" |
| 00:56:44 | moot | adapter? |
| 00:56:45 | Fatbum | for what? |
| 00:57:10 | goshawk` | fatbum: to give two or three inches to keep the microdrive off of the Zaurus |
| 00:57:11 | Fatbum | id build a lil bat powered cooling chamber for a microdrive with a cable that goes into the cf slot |
| 00:57:22 | moot | gos: thats what that does. |
| 00:57:27 | Fatbum | affirm |
| 00:57:31 | Fatbum | it just looks like hell |
| 00:57:33 | moot | little bulky |
| 00:57:34 | moot | yeah |
| 00:57:36 | Fatbum | cuz its for testing signals |
| 00:57:41 | Fatbum | yay signals |
| 00:57:42 | moot | i was thinking like hack up a ide cable |
| 00:57:44 | moot | or floppy cable |
| 00:57:46 | Fatbum | ill get that and make cf stuff |
| 00:57:51 | Fatbum | yeah moot |
| 00:57:58 | goshawk` | moot: gotcha |
| 00:57:58 | moot | woulda be tricky |
| 00:57:59 | Fatbum | i think you can buy cf connectors |
| 00:58:00 | goshawk` | thanks =) |
| 00:58:06 | Fatbum | and make your own cable |
| 00:58:06 | moot | goes to molex.com :P |
| 00:58:06 | Wembly | raster? |
| 00:58:10 | moot | yeah you can |
| 00:58:11 | Fatbum | and sell em on the eebs |
| 00:58:12 | moot | molex makes em |
| 00:58:17 | Fatbum | :) |
| 00:58:19 | Fatbum | molex makes humans man |
| 00:58:23 | Fatbum | they make eveything :) |
| 00:58:34 | moot | everything related ot connecting things :D |
| 00:59:07 | goshawk` | I'll check that out in a bit, as I'm dialing into my shell right now |
| 00:59:14 | goshawk` | thanks for the link, moot |
| 00:59:20 | moot | erm |
| 00:59:22 | moot | thank fatbum |
| 00:59:26 | Fatbum | ;) |
| 00:59:30 | goshawk` | err, yes =) |
| 00:59:40 | moot | GRRRR |
| 00:59:42 | moot | oh nm |
| 00:59:46 | moot | fuck |
| 00:59:51 | moot | that didnt look good :/ |
| 00:59:54 | Fatbum | 65 for an ambicom wlan 802.11b cf card |
| 00:59:58 | Fatbum | good price, no? |
| 01:00:18 | goshawk` | sorry, I am a bit fatigued tonight |
| 01:00:23 | goshawk` | not paying very good attention at all |
| 01:00:34 | Junxster | does the z support 256bit WEP w/the linksys CF card (linksys AP's and cards support 256bit WEP)? |
| 01:00:47 | Fatbum | http://www.sycard.com/cf162.html that looks better |
| 01:00:55 | goshawk` | fatbum: seems good, but I have no idea if that is decent card or not |
| 01:01:09 | Fatbum | i hear its good |
| 01:01:13 | Fatbum | looks good to me |
| 01:01:31 | goshawk` | if the return policy is good, go for it =) |
| 01:01:38 | Fatbum | i return nothing |
| 01:01:44 | Fatbum | just sell to children hehehehehehehehe |
| 01:01:46 | Fatbum | muahahahahahaha |
| 01:01:51 | Fatbum | oh i am a child oops |
| 01:01:54 | goshawk` | haha :D |
| 01:01:55 | Fatbum | im bein played a fool |
| 01:02:54 | Com[Plex] | omfg |
| 01:02:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 01:03:05 | moot | jonny jackass |
| 01:03:09 | Com[Plex] | the cable guy dropped buy today to disconnect our cable |
| 01:03:12 | Com[Plex] | he left his keys |
| 01:03:16 | moot | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:03:17 | Fatbum | !!!! |
| 01:03:17 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:03:19 | goshawk` | lol |
| 01:03:24 | moot | wait whyd he disconnect your cable |
| 01:03:27 | Com[Plex] | I got em in my hands |
| 01:03:42 | Fatbum | copy em quick! |
| 01:03:49 | Fatbum | goto fuckin home depot 24 hours |
| 01:03:53 | moot | complex = simplistic :P |
| 01:03:55 | Fatbum | copy every single one of them fuck |
| 01:03:57 | Com[Plex] | we didnt pay the bill they disconnected us. the guy came back looking for his keys. we said "never seen em" |
| 01:03:57 | Fatbum | s |
| 01:04:02 | Com[Plex] | he left, came back with the cops |
| 01:04:03 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 01:04:05 | moot | LOL |
| 01:04:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hahahahah |
| 01:04:16 | Com[Plex] | my friends like "we havent seen your keys, sorry bub" |
| 01:04:18 | moot | so wtf did the cops say |
| 01:04:27 | moot | wtf he brang COPS to find his KEYS |
| 01:04:29 | Com[Plex] | the cop says to the cable guy "sorry bub. he hasnt seen your keys" |
| 01:04:32 | moot | whatd he think you drugged him and stole them |
| 01:04:34 | goshawk` | com: who services your cable? |
| 01:04:50 | moot | dude |
| 01:04:54 | moot | cant you break into the box now? |
| 01:04:58 | Com[Plex] | haha, goshawk`" up till two hours ago, this guy. but I bet he doesnt do it any more!!~ |
| 01:05:01 | moot | try before they change the lock :P |
| 01:05:05 | Fatbum | yall have boxes? |
| 01:05:13 | Com[Plex] | moot. no need to break in, we got the ONE key that they use for ALL BOXES |
| 01:05:15 | goshawk` | com: haha. no, I meant what company? =) |
| 01:05:17 | Com[Plex] | TCE 1 |
| 01:05:18 | moot | LOL |
| 01:05:20 | moot | sweet |
| 01:05:21 | raster | Wembly: jah |
| 01:05:22 | raster | :) |
| 01:05:25 | Com[Plex] | goshawk. adelphia |
| 01:05:34 | goshawk` | com: schmucks. |
| 01:05:34 | Com[Plex] | IM gonna make copies |
| 01:05:41 | goshawk` | they sound like the verizon of cable companies |
| 01:05:52 | Fatbum | com what state you in? |
| 01:05:56 | Com[Plex] | Maine |
| 01:05:58 | moot | ME |
| 01:06:00 | moot | = |
| 01:06:06 | moot | hes in quakerville me :P |
| 01:06:11 | moot | with his flashy z |
| 01:06:17 | Fatbum | yall have cable boxes on the house? |
| 01:06:17 | goshawk` | com: repeating moot's question, why did the guy call the cops? |
| 01:06:30 | moot | cuz he thought they took em |
| 01:06:32 | moot | or was lieing |
| 01:06:32 | Fatbum | we just have filters that we take out of the line at waist level on a pole |
| 01:06:33 | Fatbum | hehehe |
| 01:06:34 | goshawk` | that seems pretty drastic, especially after he already asked you personally =) |
| 01:06:38 | moot | he KNEW theyd have is ass |
| 01:06:41 | moot | dude: his lost a master key |
| 01:06:52 | goshawk` | moot: makes sense. =) |
| 01:06:58 | moot | if you meet jonny, you know you DONT wanna lose a MASTER KEY around him :P |
| 01:07:02 | Fatbum | i would have prolly kicked the cops in the nuts |
| 01:07:25 | moot | hrm |
| 01:07:30 | moot | you must like getting assraped in jail |
| 01:07:39 | goshawk` | com: since the guy called the cops on you, I think you have every moral right to do what you please witht hose keys =) |
| 01:07:39 | moot | because thats what you would be doing a month later :P |
| 01:07:47 | Com[Plex] | goshawk. he left his keys ni the box. drove away, dacve took the keys, and the little kid who lives downstairs saw him. guy returns, the little girl says dave has em |
| 01:07:52 | Com[Plex] | dave says "no I dont" |
| 01:07:59 | Com[Plex] | cable guy calls police. |
| 01:08:02 | Com[Plex] | make sense now? |
| 01:08:06 | goshawk` | com: eww. little kids. it is just like the TIPS program |
| 01:08:09 | Com[Plex] | the keys are worth a FORTUNE |
| 01:08:15 | goshawk` | com: yes, now I get it. =) |
| 01:08:25 | Com[Plex] | this guy is probably ALllready fired for it |
| 01:08:32 | Fatbum | jail sucks |
| 01:08:40 | Fatbum | cops have no right to be on your property |
| 01:08:51 | goshawk` | fatbum: that were true if this were a free country |
| 01:09:04 | goshawk` | however, you are little more than a "caretaker" of your property, in legal terms =) |
| 01:09:23 | goshawk` | but that is beside the point, I am sure |
| 01:09:29 | goshawk` | :D |
| 01:09:34 | Fatbum | these look better http://www.sycard.com/cf162.html |
| 01:09:39 | Fatbum | and you could make a neat lil fan for it |
| 01:09:47 | Fatbum | with maybe watch batteries? |
| 01:09:49 | Fatbum | prolly not |
| 01:09:57 | Fatbum | but um a nicad may-b? |
| 01:10:00 | Fatbum | getting bulky |
| 01:10:23 | goshawk` | well, I intended on running it at home, so bulky is OK as long as it isn't unwieldy to hold |
| 01:10:29 | Fatbum | but if you had like a lil case witha keyboard and microdrive and like some kind of cool splitter and lots of shit plugged into z? |
| 01:10:32 | goshawk` | too bad they don't make a microdrive RAID adapter :D |
| 01:11:11 | goshawk` | a box the size of a cigar box filled with a mess of drives, and just snake a cable to the CF-equipped device =) |
| 01:11:23 | goshawk` | would make a nice ham radio rig |
| 01:11:33 | Fatbum | muahahaha |
| 01:11:41 | Fatbum | or global thermo-nuclear war |
| 01:11:47 | goshawk` | hahaha |
| 01:12:04 | Fatbum | http://www.sycard.com/cfext165.html pc card to cf |
| 01:12:50 | moot | wow |
| 01:12:56 | Fatbum | http://www.sycard.com/cfext180.html |
| 01:12:57 | Fatbum | holy shit! |
| 01:13:00 | Fatbum | its gotta cable |
| 01:13:01 | moot | i doubt things would work with it tho :/ do they ahve the same schem and in count? |
| 01:13:02 | Fatbum | and like |
| 01:13:04 | Fatbum | ah! |
| 01:13:06 | Fatbum | it would! |
| 01:13:08 | Fatbum | ah! |
| 01:13:08 | moot | yeah |
| 01:13:10 | Fatbum | cable! |
| 01:13:11 | moot | thats what i wanted to do |
| 01:13:11 | moot | nice |
| 01:13:13 | Fatbum | box/fan! |
| 01:13:17 | Fatbum | sploooooooooooooge |
| 01:13:21 | Fatbum | like mmmm "computers" |
| 01:13:53 | goshawk` | fat: I think you solved my problem for the day |
| 01:13:57 | goshawk` | thank you for the links =) |
| 01:14:02 | Fatbum | google |
| 01:14:05 | Fatbum | shit man |
| 01:14:12 | Fatbum | im always getting yelled at in here to use google |
| 01:14:14 | Fatbum | so i did |
| 01:14:15 | Fatbum | yay |
| 01:14:18 | goshawk` | hahaha |
| 01:15:07 | goshawk` | I'll be back in a bit, I need some tea...I'm falling asleep at the console here |
| 01:15:39 | Guest | hello |
| 01:15:55 | Fatbum | hi |
| 01:16:15 | moot | jeez |
| 01:16:17 | moot | so many updates |
| 01:16:20 | Fatbum | on? |
| 01:16:21 | Guest | what r u doing with you |
| 01:16:21 | moot | i was downloading like 15 at a time; |
| 01:16:23 | moot | the feed |
| 01:16:26 | Fatbum | oh |
| 01:16:28 | moot | all the opie apps are updated |
| 01:16:29 | moot | well most :/ |
| 01:16:30 | Fatbum | which one? |
| 01:16:32 | moot | oz3 |
| 01:16:39 | Fatbum | i should put oz on |
| 01:16:40 | Fatbum | man |
| 01:16:43 | Fatbum | i havent had time |
| 01:16:48 | moot | doesnt take long :/ |
| 01:16:49 | Fatbum | i needa do friggin physics |
| 01:16:53 | moot | just like a flash :P |
| 01:17:02 | moot | last night i fucked my z up |
| 01:17:02 | Guest | (h) |
| 01:17:06 | moot | real bad |
| 01:17:23 | Fatbum | i done that too |
| 01:17:25 | Com[Plex] | moot, fuind out how much that sycard thingy is |
| 01:17:29 | Guest | i am using zright now |
| 01:18:26 | Fatbum | you have to get a quote |
| 01:18:45 | Fatbum | tkcJabber should be free |
| 01:18:49 | Fatbum | paying for stuff is fuckin gay |
| 01:18:50 | Guest | what is a way to make more ram available with current rom? |
| 01:18:55 | Fatbum | noone has money |
| 01:19:26 | Guest | download it for free using share app |
| 01:19:28 | Fatbum | guest in console type : win.exe |
| 01:19:35 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:19:43 | Fatbum | j/k thats a lil microsoft humor |
| 01:19:49 | Fatbum | now i shall charge you for laughing |
| 01:19:55 | Guest | what will it do fatso |
| 01:19:55 | Fatbum | because it is copyrighted |
| 01:20:10 | Fatbum | and um....youll have to buy an update to stay with the rest of the world |
| 01:20:17 | Fatbum | and um thatll cost you a lot more |
| 01:20:21 | moot | hrm |
| 01:20:28 | moot | whats the diff between opie-mail and opie-mail2 |
| 01:20:32 | moot | should i just get mail2 |
| 01:20:40 | Fatbum | share app guest? |
| 01:20:42 | qbert | Fatbum: person organizer ? |
| 01:20:44 | Guest | hmm. a real hero |
| 01:20:44 | moot | or opie-mailapplet |
| 01:20:47 | goshawk` | I'd think you could install a slim ircII derivative onto the Zaurus |
| 01:20:52 | goshawk` | at least, if you don't mind console apps |
| 01:21:04 | Fatbum | i dont |
| 01:21:09 | Guest | console sucks |
| 01:21:10 | Fatbum | but jabbber looks so damn cool |
| 01:21:14 | Fatbum | console rocks |
| 01:21:17 | Fatbum | hell yea |
| 01:21:42 | goshawk` | I am just not fond of the column size ont he Zaurus |
| 01:21:46 | goshawk` | too much line-wrapping |
| 01:21:50 | goshawk` | drives me nuts sometimes |
| 01:21:50 | Guest | console a backward step. |
| 01:21:50 | Fatbum | yea |
| 01:21:57 | Fatbum | guest what share app? |
| 01:21:59 | Fatbum | what you mean? |
| 01:22:03 | Fatbum | what os? |
| 01:22:26 | Guest | share app |
| 01:22:29 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:22:31 | drwho_ | k0ns0l3 |
| 01:22:31 | Fatbum | where? |
| 01:22:33 | Guest | like morpheus |
| 01:22:34 | goshawk` | which is especially bad who runs shell at 50 rows by 162 columns |
| 01:22:46 | goshawk` | bad = bad for someone |
| 01:23:00 | Guest | u find, hide and seek |
| 01:23:02 | Fatbum | i know goshawk` |
| 01:23:52 | Fatbum | man h-and-s sucks |
| 01:24:56 | goshawk` | what is h-and-s? |
| 01:25:11 | Com[Plex] | hide and seek |
| 01:25:22 | goshawk` | oh. let me go see what that is. |
| 01:25:40 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:25:43 | Fatbum | no i mean |
| 01:25:46 | Fatbum | findin shit |
| 01:25:47 | Fatbum | grr |
| 01:25:51 | KGBudz | is it possible to get multiple command prompts going? |
| 01:26:02 | Fatbum | i found the cf extendors with cables so you could make a cooling array for microdrives |
| 01:26:08 | Fatbum | KGBudz yessir |
| 01:26:11 | KGBudz | how so? |
| 01:26:12 | Fatbum | use oz |
| 01:26:15 | KGBudz | o |
| 01:26:16 | Fatbum | and all will be known |
| 01:26:20 | KGBudz | whats oz stand for |
| 01:26:27 | Fatbum | openzaurus |
| 01:26:38 | Guest | ox |
| 01:26:41 | Fatbum | hey guys whats the actual program that oz uses instead of crap-mobile sharps rom |
| 01:26:41 | Fatbum | ? |
| 01:26:51 | Fatbum | KGBudz you can just get a program i think |
| 01:27:00 | TheMasterMind1 | Fatbum: huh? |
| 01:27:07 | KGBudz | oz website = ? |
| 01:27:15 | TheMasterMind1 | openzaurus.sf.net |
| 01:28:14 | Fatbum | im going to buy every z program you have to pay for and set up a z warez feed |
| 01:28:20 | Fatbum | i mean not warez...backup |
| 01:28:21 | Fatbum | yea.... |
| 01:28:25 | KGBudz | cool |
| 01:28:28 | Fatbum | cuz you can only get if you own it |
| 01:28:29 | KGBudz | let me know when you do |
| 01:28:31 | Fatbum | yea..... |
| 01:28:47 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:28:50 | TheMasterMind1 | want tkcvideo ? |
| 01:28:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ;D |
| 01:28:59 | rikkus | wonders if people know that he works for theKompany |
| 01:29:06 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:29:12 | Fatbum | i sure do |
| 01:29:13 | goshawk` | perhaps no one minds =) |
| 01:29:18 | Fatbum | hey fuck you man this is life |
| 01:29:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Fatbum: too bad |
| 01:29:20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:29:22 | Fatbum | people steal shit everyday |
| 01:29:32 | Fatbum | guess what my dads ferrari was fuckin stolen last month |
| 01:29:34 | Fatbum | big deal |
| 01:29:39 | Fatbum | that car was the shit |
| 01:29:42 | goshawk` | haha |
| 01:29:49 | rikkus | steals Fatbum's rich yank life |
| 01:29:55 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:30:00 | DaWorm | the hell |
| 01:30:06 | KGBudz | ya, so wheres the free software now |
| 01:30:07 | ljp | so because your daddy car got stolen, that makes stealing in general ok? |
| 01:30:14 | Fatbum | yessir |
| 01:30:19 | Fatbum | i mean fuck america |
| 01:30:21 | Fatbum | pffh |
| 01:30:23 | goshawk` | rikkus: if you mind my asking, what do you do at theKompany? |
| 01:30:30 | rikkus | goshawk`: tkcMail |
| 01:30:35 | goshawk` | rikkus: neat! |
| 01:30:36 | Fatbum | human race = shit |
| 01:30:40 | VerxHome | he does the books |
| 01:30:42 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:30:49 | Fatbum | well all die, and then when will it matter that we yanked some tkcjabber? |
| 01:30:51 | Fatbum | huh? |
| 01:31:15 | rikkus | Fatbum: if you steal theKompany's software, you steal my paycheque. I am poor. You think it's ok to steal from the poor ? |
| 01:31:18 | ljp | ever heard of morals? honor? |
| 01:31:57 | rikkus | wonders if Fatbum also steals the coins from beggars in the street |
| 01:32:10 | Fatbum | cares not about yours's roos |
| 01:32:14 | VerxHome | what the frigging hell |
| 01:32:31 | VerxHome | that is TWICE now I have seen people on here talking about stealing tkc stuff |
| 01:32:33 | VerxHome | :( |
| 01:32:42 | Com[Plex] | rikkus, I paid for every tkc app I have. <nine> and I am satisfied with only one of them. |
| 01:32:43 | Bala | :( |
| 01:32:50 | Com[Plex] | no, two. editor and mahjohng |
| 01:32:51 | Fatbum | ooooh |
| 01:33:04 | Fatbum | swallow that with your shitty charging people for stuff |
| 01:33:11 | rikkus | Com[Plex]: well, I didn't write any of those that are currently released. |
| 01:33:12 | Com[Plex] | the rest "arent ready yet" |
| 01:33:15 | Fatbum | uh course noone gets rich givin stuff away |
| 01:33:21 | ljp | fatbum.. you are a mooch |
| 01:33:22 | Fatbum | regardless, ima buy tkc video |
| 01:33:26 | Fatbum | and some other stuff |
| 01:33:31 | Com[Plex] | maybe you could persuade someone to finish those other apps |
| 01:33:37 | Fatbum | yeah ljp how bout you shut your mouth |
| 01:33:41 | jbardin | warmi... you arouind? |
| 01:33:43 | goshawk` | I'd love to have NetBSD for the Zaurus |
| 01:33:46 | rikkus | Com[Plex]: I don't think they'll listen. |
| 01:33:51 | ljp | heh you gonna make me? |
| 01:33:51 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:33:53 | Com[Plex] | I agree |
| 01:33:59 | VerxHome | is there no one here that can kick ban this ass? |
| 01:34:06 | Bala | rikkus.. you mean you dont make the rules there?? LOL |
| 01:34:25 | Fatbum | moot you still here? |
| 01:34:31 | Com[Plex] | im not saying, pirate there apps. I am jsut saying im frustratedf |
| 01:34:39 | Com[Plex] | I paid. moot paid. |
| 01:34:50 | Fatbum | im not saying im not gonna pay |
| 01:34:55 | Com[Plex] | lots of people pay. |
| 01:35:01 | Fatbum | as will i shut the shit up |
| 01:35:03 | Com[Plex] | most are probably not satisfied tho. |
| 01:35:07 | Fatbum | good lord |
| 01:35:08 | Fatbum | exactly |
| 01:35:11 | Fatbum | free updates tho |
| 01:35:14 | Fatbum | theres a plus |
| 01:35:16 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 01:35:17 | Fatbum | thank you anti-microsoft |
| 01:35:30 | Fatbum | tkc is like a woman cant live with em, cant live without em |
| 01:35:43 | Fatbum | not only like a woman, like many things |
| 01:35:43 | Com[Plex] | yeah, new copy with a different version number but no discernable improvements or changes |
| 01:35:50 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:36:08 | rikkus | It's against OpenProjects.net policy to trade warez |
| 01:36:08 | goshawk` | well, in an equal society where women had equal opportunities as men, I am sure women wouldn't be annoying as most men purport them to be |
| 01:36:10 | Com[Plex] | "just like a woman, cant live with em, cant get your money back" |
| 01:36:14 | rikkus | I think I'll talk to lilo |
| 01:36:33 | Wembly | sighs and wishs he knew a debian package maintainer :/ |
| 01:36:35 | goshawk` | (personally, I think most men AND women are bad, and there are an equal amount of the good ones around) |
| 01:36:35 | Fatbum | im not trading warez am i? |
| 01:36:47 | Fatbum | trading would be getting something in return surely.... |
| 01:36:58 | Fatbum | either way i have nothing, money nor apps |
| 01:37:01 | Fatbum | so i am not a threat |
| 01:37:06 | Com[Plex] | goshawk` this is an equal world. the women shot themselves in the foot. now its against the law to be chivalric |
| 01:37:22 | Fatbum | women do stupid shit sometimes |
| 01:37:25 | Com[Plex] | cant open a door for someone without getting charged with sexual harassment |
| 01:37:37 | goshawk` | com: I agree that the feminist movement went real stale, and that is truly unfortunate |
| 01:37:47 | goshawk` | they are sexist in their own right, in a very twisted kind of way |
| 01:37:56 | Fatbum | my dad always taught me to open doors for well....anybody not just women |
| 01:38:04 | goshawk` | fatbum: kudos on that one |
| 01:38:12 | Fatbum | but then some women are so caught up on their fat asses |
| 01:38:24 | Fatbum | they get all pissy |
| 01:38:29 | moot | complex is pissy |
| 01:38:30 | moot | :P |
| 01:38:34 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 01:38:37 | moot | jonny |
| 01:38:43 | moot | just tell me the goddamn server info |
| 01:38:50 | Fatbum | i really hate people like....every single human being is a piece of shit in my eyes, but its funny every job ive had has been customer service :) |
| 01:38:52 | ljp | maybe your daddy should have taught you that distributing software you do not have license to distribute is illegal |
| 01:38:54 | Fatbum | and im damn good at it |
| 01:39:16 | goshawk` | fatbum: hahaha |
| 01:39:25 | goshawk` | fatbum: that is astonishingly ironic =) |
| 01:39:33 | Fatbum | i am so fuckin good at it |
| 01:39:36 | Fatbum | right now im at heb |
| 01:39:46 | Fatbum | and i deserve so muc more than i give |
| 01:39:49 | Fatbum | :( |
| 01:39:52 | Fatbum | its really sad |
| 01:40:06 | Fatbum | i get first hand experience at why communism does NOT WORK! |
| 01:40:33 | Fatbum | every single person i work with that got hired same time as me and even b4 me gets paid the same, and they can be lazy as shit |
| 01:40:41 | Fatbum | and theres no incentive for me to do otherwise |
| 01:40:47 | goshawk` | most forms of government shoot for the lowest common denominator |
| 01:40:56 | Fatbum | but i do |
| 01:40:58 | lilo` | looks in |
| 01:41:03 | VerxHome | hello lilo |
| 01:41:05 | Bala | hello lilo |
| 01:41:06 | goshawk` | g'day lilo |
| 01:41:06 | VerxHome | please k/b fatbum |
| 01:41:15 | Fatbum | why VerxHome |
| 01:41:18 | VerxHome | <---- Verxion |
| 01:41:26 | lilo` | hi Verxion, Bala, goshawk |
| 01:41:34 | VerxHome | hello lilo |
| 01:41:42 | Fatbum | welcomes lilo |
| 01:41:52 | lilo` | anyone have logs? I guess you can paste right here to save time |
| 01:41:57 | ljp | fatbum: your always talking about warezing tkc apps |
| 01:41:59 | lilo` | just the high points 8) |
| 01:42:05 | Fatbum | not always! |
| 01:42:06 | Fatbum | like once |
| 01:42:10 | VerxHome | there you go lilo |
| 01:42:14 | Fatbum | jesus |
| 01:42:17 | VerxHome | do you need any more than fatbum himself? |
| 01:42:17 | ljp | more than once |
| 01:42:28 | lilo` | somebody else want to paste a bit? |
| 01:42:33 | lilo` | just so I've seen a couple? |
| 01:42:39 | Fatbum | dude thats fuckin gay |
| 01:42:46 | Fatbum | i dont have any how would i distribute them? |
| 01:42:49 | roge99 | <Fatbum> im going to buy every z program you have to pay for and set up a z warez feed |
| 01:42:50 | roge99 | <Fatbum> i mean not warez...backup |
| 01:42:50 | roge99 | <Fatbum> yea.... |
| 01:43:10 | Fatbum | well if you get em from me and you havent paid im not responsible |
| 01:43:14 | Fatbum | its my backup |
| 01:43:17 | lilo` | sighs |
| 01:43:21 | lilo` | okay, we're persistent, eh |
| 01:43:23 | erikd | does anyone know how to set a QMenuBar so it doesn't look raised? |
| 01:43:29 | Fatbum | so when i kill my z on the other side of the world i can get stuff |
| 01:43:37 | Fatbum | i dont even have a FEED! |
| 01:43:37 | rikkus | lilo`: unashamed seems to be the correct term :( |
| 01:43:40 | VerxHome | <Fatbum:#zaurus> well all die, and then when will it matter that we yanked |
| 01:43:40 | VerxHome | some tkcjabber? |
| 01:43:48 | VerxHome | <Fatbum:#zaurus> ooooh |
| 01:43:48 | VerxHome | <Fatbum:#zaurus> swallow that with your shitty charging people for stuff |
| 01:43:52 | Com[Plex] | okay, whoever wrote opie-mail2. could you have it default to the normal ports assigned to imap and smtp? |
| 01:44:24 | Fatbum | sure leave out the makin up shit |
| 01:44:35 | lilo` | Fatbum: they all agree |
| 01:44:40 | lilo` | Fatbum: including the one someone /msg'd |
| 01:45:01 | VerxHome | thanks lilo |
| 01:45:02 | rikkus | lilo`: many thanks |
| 01:45:03 | Bala | thank you |
| 01:45:06 | VerxHome | I can't believe his gall |
| 01:45:13 | lilo` | np....I gave him 40,000 minutes I think |
| 01:45:14 | roge99 | :-) |
| 01:45:18 | lilo` | if he comes back let me know |
| 01:45:21 | erikd | jeez... why do i always miss all the fun stuff? |
| 01:45:23 | lilo` | it's pretty offtopic for freenode |
| 01:45:29 | rikkus | lilo`: ok, will do, thanks again |
| 01:45:37 | lilo` | waves |
| 01:45:38 | VerxHome | yes, thanks |
| 01:45:49 | VerxHome | thanks rikkus |
| 01:46:03 | VerxHome | I didn't realize lilo would actually come in the channel like that |
| 01:46:07 | rikkus | feels like the one who went told teacher |
| 01:46:12 | VerxHome | hah |
| 01:46:13 | VerxHome | well |
| 01:46:17 | VerxHome | someone had to |
| 01:46:22 | erikd | so anyway, anyone know how to make a QMenuBar flat? |
| 01:46:22 | goshawk` | for the "record", I feel that was a little high-handed |
| 01:46:27 | goshawk` | a channel k/b would have done |
| 01:46:28 | goshawk` | :P |
| 01:46:29 | Bala | heh rikkus.. well the guys acted like he was in grade school anyways |
| 01:46:31 | Novas007 | is there a gnokii ipkg with a gui? i'm being lazy |
| 01:46:31 | rikkus | heh |
| 01:46:32 | Novas007 | hehe |
| 01:46:43 | rikkus | goshawk`: would have done, if there were any ops active |
| 01:46:44 | ljp | teacher? more like the Principal |
| 01:47:12 | VerxHome | hey, ljp, you seen kergoth recently? |
| 01:47:21 | goshawk` | rikkus: still. although I completely understand where you come from. |
| 01:47:22 | ljp | earlier today, ya |
| 01:47:25 | VerxHome | k |
| 01:47:31 | erikd | hmm, nm. i found it |
| 01:47:34 | VerxHome | I need to ask him about his build process for oz |
| 01:47:41 | VerxHome | I need to get myself setup to do builds |
| 01:47:44 | VerxHome | we need a new qpe |
| 01:47:46 | rikkus | now the question is: Can I survive 4 hours until the shops open without cig papers ? |
| 01:48:00 | VerxHome | rikkus: Sure, I know I can |
| 01:48:02 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:48:05 | rikkus | :P |
| 01:48:11 | rikkus | considers making a bong |
| 01:48:16 | roge99 | lol |
| 01:48:26 | goshawk` | no "convenience" stores open at this hour around where you live? |
| 01:48:45 | VerxHome | where do you live rikkus? |
| 01:49:05 | VerxHome | oh man |
| 01:49:13 | VerxHome | I just saw a kick butt ad on zsi |
| 01:49:17 | kergoth | VerxHome: new qpe? theres a updated opie in the feed as of last night shortly after you took off. |
| 01:49:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: heh |
| 01:49:24 | VerxHome | ROAR^H^H^H^H^Hmeow |
| 01:49:26 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 01:49:28 | VerxHome | it has a kitten |
| 01:49:36 | VerxHome | kergoth: Oh, are you serious? |
| 01:49:38 | goshawk` | haha |
| 01:49:41 | kergoth | VerxHome: yep |
| 01:49:44 | goshawk` | that's cool |
| 01:49:45 | VerxHome | so like, I can just do an upgrade? |
| 01:49:47 | rikkus | VerxHome: .uk |
| 01:49:49 | kergoth | VerxHome: ipkg update; ipkg upgrade; |
| 01:49:51 | VerxHome | kergoth: Its a shame yer not female |
| 01:49:53 | kergoth | VerxHome: i tested it already |
| 01:49:55 | kergoth | VerxHome: lmao |
| 01:49:57 | Cloudchaser | i told him there was kergoth |
| 01:49:58 | VerxHome | I'd kiss ya. :) |
| 01:50:07 | VerxHome | cloudchaser: Yes, you did |
| 01:50:10 | kergoth | VerxHome: you should listen to Cloud ;-) |
| 01:50:10 | VerxHome | I misunderstood |
| 01:50:11 | VerxHome | my bad |
| 01:50:12 | rikkus | I'd propose |
| 01:50:20 | Com[Plex] | fucking great |
| 01:50:22 | VerxHome | kergoth: Ok, back to my other question |
| 01:50:26 | VerxHome | I have cvs access now |
| 01:50:26 | TheMasterMind1 | new opieeh? |
| 01:50:28 | Com[Plex] | I cant get opikg to install |
| 01:50:32 | VerxHome | but what is your build process like? |
| 01:50:36 | VerxHome | I assume it isn't like opie. . . |
| 01:50:36 | Com[Plex] | mean |
| 01:50:38 | Com[Plex] | I mean, |
| 01:50:42 | Com[Plex] | I cant get opikg to open |
| 01:50:44 | [DrEvil] | it's probably better that you don't install oipkg |
| 01:50:52 | Com[Plex] | anyone ever have a problem with some apps not opening? |
| 01:50:58 | kergoth | VerxHome: cvs -d:ext:version@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/openzaurus co -P buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; make openzaurus; |
| 01:51:05 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i havent seen that particular bug, no |
| 01:51:08 | Com[Plex] | what can I do to uninstall it and reinstall it? |
| 01:51:12 | Com[Plex] | or better yet |
| 01:51:19 | Com[Plex] | what can I do to find out why its hanging there |
| 01:51:21 | Speedy2 | re |
| 01:51:37 | VerxHome | thanks kergoth |
| 01:51:43 | kergoth | VerxHome: np |
| 01:52:02 | Com[Plex] | where are the logs? |
| 01:52:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: note if you're on a redhat 7.3 box you'll need to edit include.mk to change the autoconf, automake commands |
| 01:52:09 | Com[Plex] | isnt that something to do with qcop? |
| 01:52:09 | VerxHome | kergoth: Other question - does the "make openzaurus" create ipks, or simply the bins? |
| 01:52:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: it creates ipks, preinstalls them into a root dir, and creates a jffs2 image |
| 01:52:23 | VerxHome | kergoth: I haven't used rh since 4.1, thank god |
| 01:52:34 | TheMasterMind1 | rh7.3 *droool* |
| 01:52:44 | TheMasterMind1 | rather, rh7.3 *puke* |
| 01:52:45 | VerxHome | kergoth: So like, a braindead fool could do it while sleepwalking |
| 01:52:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: well, its ... sensitive to build environment |
| 01:53:01 | Com[Plex] | anyone? |
| 01:53:05 | kergoth | VerxHome: it depends on a *very* recent bash |
| 01:53:10 | VerxHome | heh |
| 01:53:12 | VerxHome | ok |
| 01:53:14 | moot | hey kergoth |
| 01:53:15 | kergoth | VerxHome: and latest autoconf and automake due to dependencies of ipkg and others |
| 01:53:20 | Speedy2 | How crappy: http://us.imdb.com/Plot?0253754 |
| 01:53:22 | moot | i dont think the konqeuror you have on the feed is right |
| 01:53:22 | VerxHome | I will do it on my unstable debian system then |
| 01:53:24 | kergoth | VerxHome: read BUILD in cvs for more information |
| 01:53:24 | moot | it enver installs for me |
| 01:53:28 | moot | i htink its fubared |
| 01:53:34 | kergoth | VerxHome: yes debian unstable will work flawless, thats what it was build on |
| 01:53:40 | VerxHome | excellent |
| 01:53:43 | moot | ipkg: invalid compressed data-- format violated |
| 01:53:43 | kergoth | moot: works flawless here |
| 01:53:44 | VerxHome | that is my dual cpu box |
| 01:53:45 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:53:45 | [DrEvil] | debian beatniks |
| 01:53:47 | moot | grr :( |
| 01:53:51 | kergoth | moot: then you didnt upgrade your ipkg from the feed, i'd say |
| 01:53:59 | moot | kerg: I did |
| 01:54:02 | kergoth | moot: or your downloads are being corrupted in some manner |
| 01:54:03 | moot | i updated it first |
| 01:54:04 | kergoth | moot: do it again. |
| 01:54:05 | moot | and oipkg |
| 01:54:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:54:06 | VerxHome | Removing obsolesced file /ng |
| 01:54:07 | VerxHome | WARNING: failed to remove obsolete file /ng: No such file or directory |
| 01:54:11 | kergoth | dunno waht to tell ya |
| 01:54:12 | Speedy2 | They're really f'ing up STNG |
| 01:54:13 | kergoth | VerxHome: wtf is /ng? |
| 01:54:16 | VerxHome | anyone know what causes stuff like that? |
| 01:54:19 | VerxHome | I dunno |
| 01:54:23 | kergoth | no idea |
| 01:54:28 | VerxHome | it was while upgrading opie-citytime |
| 01:54:32 | chouimat|Zzzz | dreams of Gentoo Linux ported to the Z |
| 01:54:46 | TheMasterMind1 | gentoo. bah. |
| 01:55:01 | Com[Plex] | can you upgrade the oipk from within the oipkg feed thing? |
| 01:55:01 | goshawk` | choui: I'm on a similiar wavelength, except for NetBSD =) |
| 01:55:15 | moot | i did |
| 01:55:17 | codemnky | hi |
| 01:55:18 | moot | worked fine |
| 01:55:28 | moot | i updated everything from the feed :/ |
| 01:55:40 | roge99 | sup codemnky |
| 01:55:49 | codemnky | feed feed feed, i guess eveything is a feed these days |
| 01:55:52 | goshawk` | themaster: what is wrong with gentoo? I have not used it, but I am curious what your complaints are with it? |
| 01:55:54 | codemnky | makes sense |
| 01:56:35 | TheMasterMind1 | well, i've never used it so i have no basis for complaining. i'm just a debian freak |
| 01:56:39 | TheMasterMind1 | everything !debian sucks |
| 01:56:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:57:04 | goshawk` | themaster: yeah, a lot of people have said the same thing |
| 01:57:12 | goshawk` | :D |
| 01:57:17 | chouimat|Zzzz | goshawk`: yup, netbsd would be great. maybe QNX too |
| 01:57:23 | ljp | thinks debian is over rated |
| 01:57:24 | TheMasterMind1 | ahh |
| 01:57:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried qnx once |
| 01:57:34 | TheMasterMind1 | what a nightmare |
| 01:57:35 | goshawk` | choui: wow, QNX...that would be cool, too |
| 01:57:39 | TheMasterMind1 | its probably improved now though |
| 01:57:59 | VerxHome | heh |
| 01:58:16 | [DrEvil] | debian sucks |
| 01:58:18 | codemnky | did you know if you use the openZ rom you're Z will magnetically attract the power cord when it needs re-charging |
| 01:58:19 | chouimat|Zzzz | www.qnxzone.com/eQip |
| 01:58:25 | VerxHome | ljp: I am not trying to say that the following example is the best situation in the world |
| 01:58:28 | VerxHome | but it proves a point |
| 01:58:44 | VerxHome | my brother went to graduate school over 4 years ago |
| 01:58:53 | VerxHome | I remotely installed debian on his computer |
| 01:58:57 | goshawk` | I wish you could run a console on the Zaurus with the long-end horizontal |
| 01:58:58 | VerxHome | he did his masters thesis on it |
| 01:59:00 | VerxHome | no biggy |
| 01:59:08 | VerxHome | but then a few months ago, he ended up having moved |
| 01:59:14 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Masters thesis on what? |
| 01:59:22 | VerxHome | and he needed access in the new house to his broadband |
| 01:59:26 | Speedy2 | Oh...debian based computer? |
| 01:59:29 | VerxHome | he had a new ethernet card |
| 01:59:38 | ljp | other dist are just as easy to install over a network |
| 01:59:38 | VerxHome | and needed a brand new dhcp client |
| 01:59:44 | TheMasterMind1 | goshawk`: can't you rotate it ? |
| 01:59:53 | Com[Plex] | http://www.createafart.com/index.asp |
| 01:59:54 | Com[Plex] | omfg |
| 02:00:02 | VerxHome | I upgraded him to debian unstable and had him up and running in about 2 hours (mostly waiting for the files to get to his machine) |
| 02:00:14 | VerxHome | that is a 4 year old system |
| 02:00:19 | VerxHome | upgraded to bleeding edge |
| 02:00:21 | VerxHome | in four hours |
| 02:00:27 | VerxHome | with no need for me to edit any conf files |
| 02:00:33 | goshawk` | themaster: no, can you do that on sharp's console? |
| 02:00:39 | chouimat|Zzzz | goshawk`: www.qnxzone.com/eQip/screenshots <- QNX on the ipaq |
| 02:00:48 | TheMasterMind1 | goshawk`: doesn't work on sharps, but maybe the embeddedkonsole? |
| 02:00:49 | W|GGL|T | why did trolltech put the latest QD as an .rpm file???? |
| 02:00:51 | W|GGL|T | sheesh |
| 02:01:00 | ljp | alien |
| 02:01:11 | chouimat|Zzzz | rpm2tar |
| 02:01:12 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: I can take a 4 year old HP48 and upgrade it and have it running without editing config files. So there! |
| 02:01:13 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:01:14 | TheMasterMind1 | really |
| 02:01:15 | goshawk` | choui: yes! actually I recall seeing that awhile ago. did that make good progress on the iPaq? |
| 02:01:17 | TheMasterMind1 | alien it |
| 02:01:25 | VerxHome | speedy2: rofl |
| 02:01:34 | chouimat|Zzzz | goshawk`: source avalaible |
| 02:01:35 | VerxHome | hey speedy2: You know of any good hp workalike I can run on the Z? |
| 02:01:35 | W|GGL|T | what is alien? |
| 02:01:38 | goshawk` | themaster: no idea. I will go grab that. I need the tabs anyhow. |
| 02:01:42 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth |
| 02:01:46 | goshawk` | choui: cool. |
| 02:01:50 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: There is a UNIX HP48 emulator, PERHAPS it could be ported. |
| 02:01:51 | Com[Plex] | is there a way to find out why an app is halting? |
| 02:01:59 | Com[Plex] | qqop? something like that? |
| 02:02:03 | Com[Plex] | where are the logs on this thing? |
| 02:02:06 | VerxHome | speedy2: So nothing currently out there? |
| 02:02:08 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: I think the hardest part is the UI/GUI |
| 02:02:10 | VerxHome | I start school in two days |
| 02:02:14 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: I think unfortunetly not |
| 02:02:14 | rikkus_ | if (!config->readBoolEntry("UseNativeStyle", false)) |
| 02:02:16 | rikkus_ | qpeApp->setStyle(new TKStyle); |
| 02:02:18 | chouimat|Zzzz | goshawk`: seem pretty easy to port to the z |
| 02:02:19 | VerxHome | k |
| 02:02:21 | rikkus_ | ssh, don't tell my boss ;) |
| 02:02:23 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Just use the HP48, you'll like the keys anyway |
| 02:02:30 | Speedy2 | That's what I think sux about emulators |
| 02:02:34 | VerxHome | I'll like the keys? |
| 02:02:35 | VerxHome | oh |
| 02:02:36 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 02:02:39 | VerxHome | but more to carry is all |
| 02:02:42 | Speedy2 | You lose speed without having a real bonafide keyboard |
| 02:02:47 | Speedy2 | True, but it's worth it IMO |
| 02:02:52 | Speedy2 | I can get 40WPM on my HP48 :) |
| 02:02:59 | VerxHome | yeah, me too |
| 02:03:08 | Speedy2 | (I can get 80+ on my shit TI-92) |
| 02:03:10 | goshawk` | choui: I am surprised more people haven't thought of ditching Linux on the Zaurus. Maybe it just took Windows CE to make the situation a little demanding on the iPaq |
| 02:03:17 | W|GGL|T | thinks he's gonna email trolltech |
| 02:03:22 | Speedy2 | You troll. |
| 02:03:23 | VerxHome | hey |
| 02:03:29 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: You have an SX or GX? |
| 02:03:31 | VerxHome | anyone know what widget set QNX uses? |
| 02:03:37 | rikkus_ | just wishes the Z had USB ports so I could attach my happy hacking keyboard, which is very portable |
| 02:03:38 | chouimat|Zzzz | W|GGL|T: try rpm2cpio or rpm2tar |
| 02:03:47 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: It uses Photon, you'll have to investigate that |
| 02:03:49 | rikkus_ | yet still full-size and full-travel |
| 02:03:49 | VerxHome | speedy2: Both, but unfortunately my favourite - the SX has its keys munched |
| 02:03:53 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Try irc.joher.com #qnx |
| 02:04:02 | goshawk` | rikkus: that would be nice. |
| 02:04:04 | W|GGL|T | chouimat|Zzzz: yeah, those are something ELSE i have to download just to install QD |
| 02:04:10 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: What's wrong with the keyboard? I might be able to repair |
| 02:04:12 | Com[Plex] | as if no one knows where the application error logs are on this |
| 02:04:13 | W|GGL|T | it was tar.gz the last version |
| 02:04:21 | chouimat|Zzzz | just need one of those f****** usb hub |
| 02:04:23 | VerxHome | the SX was in a backpack that was filled too tightly. The keys are now always pressed |
| 02:04:30 | Speedy2 | hrmmmmmm |
| 02:04:38 | Speedy2 | Have you tried slapping it on the side? |
| 02:04:43 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 02:04:44 | Speedy2 | You could have broken the keyboard molding |
| 02:04:49 | W|GGL|T | like a fat chick? |
| 02:04:49 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:04:50 | Com[Plex] | take it apart |
| 02:04:57 | Speedy2 | But if not, it might take some force to release |
| 02:04:58 | Speedy2 | NO! |
| 02:04:58 | TheMasterMind1 | the "slap that bitch" method |
| 02:04:59 | rikkus_ | W|GGL|T: :} |
| 02:05:02 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:05:08 | Speedy2 | There is no way to take the keyboard apart and put it back together |
| 02:05:10 | Speedy2 | <--- knows |
| 02:05:21 | rikkus_ | senses great pain in Speedy2 |
| 02:05:26 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 02:05:29 | VerxHome | rikkus: rofl |
| 02:05:36 | VerxHome | there is much pain in him, yes |
| 02:05:37 | VerxHome | yes |
| 02:05:39 | goshawk` | I recall that Apple hardware has a history of using drops and slaps as "routine maintenance" protocols |
| 02:05:41 | VerxHome | pain leads to anger |
| 02:05:45 | VerxHome | anger leads to. . . |
| 02:05:49 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:05:52 | rikkus_ | Win32 ? |
| 02:05:59 | rikkus_ | oh, no, anger leads away from that |
| 02:06:10 | VerxHome | damn |
| 02:06:17 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: I think the features of the GX are better than the SX. You know the lower-half ROM in the GX IS the SX? |
| 02:06:19 | goshawk` | and those are recommended by Apple technicians, too, which is amusing |
| 02:06:19 | VerxHome | lordy |
| 02:06:25 | moot | haha com |
| 02:06:27 | moot | createafart |
| 02:06:29 | moot | welcome to 2 years ago |
| 02:06:39 | VerxHome | speedy2: I despise the keyboard and function key layout in the GX |
| 02:06:46 | Speedy2 | HP48G/GX has 512KB ROM, S/SX has 256KB ROM, 48G/GX = GUI + more stuff + more RAM + faster CPU + S/SX ROM |
| 02:06:47 | goshawk` | I think it was the Apple III, which would commonly overheat, and you would drop the cpu unit a foot off the desk to reseat the chips on the board |
| 02:06:52 | Speedy2 | Really? I find it pretty nicely done |
| 02:06:54 | VerxHome | because I have the SX layout firmly embedded in my conscious and unconscious mind |
| 02:06:59 | Speedy2 | I have a 48S but I haven't played around with it much |
| 02:07:09 | Speedy2 | If you have a GX, you NEED to install Java, ALG48 and MathTools |
| 02:07:17 | VerxHome | speedy2: Is there anything new for the GX? |
| 02:07:19 | Speedy2 | Java is a stack replacement, not a programming language in thise case |
| 02:07:21 | VerxHome | oh, guess there is |
| 02:07:21 | Speedy2 | Umm |
| 02:07:26 | Speedy2 | There's a LOT of shit you need to put on |
| 02:07:28 | Speedy2 | (there) |
| 02:07:37 | VerxHome | can you upgrade the ROM |
| 02:07:40 | Speedy2 | I HATE using my HP stock |
| 02:07:40 | Com[Plex] | sets mode +b moot |
| 02:07:43 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Not easily. |
| 02:07:43 | VerxHome | or is it read only? |
| 02:07:49 | moot | lol |
| 02:07:50 | Speedy2 | It's Read-Only |
| 02:07:52 | VerxHome | k |
| 02:07:53 | moot | i remember 2 years ago |
| 02:07:54 | Speedy2 | I've upgraded the ROM before |
| 02:07:56 | moot | i went to my friends house |
| 02:07:56 | Speedy2 | But it's not fun |
| 02:07:58 | moot | who had aol |
| 02:08:02 | moot | and we did that for hours |
| 02:08:02 | moot | :P |
| 02:08:07 | VerxHome | I have a 32KB card for it |
| 02:08:10 | VerxHome | the card is like |
| 02:08:10 | VerxHome | um |
| 02:08:14 | VerxHome | 10 years old |
| 02:08:15 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 02:08:17 | ljp | aol on linux? ;) |
| 02:08:20 | Speedy2 | heh. 32KB doesn't buy you much. You need 128KB |
| 02:08:22 | VerxHome | the battery is slightly dead |
| 02:08:22 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:08:24 | moot | no :) |
| 02:08:32 | VerxHome | it was a freebie |
| 02:08:41 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Join #hp48 on Efnet if you want to know needs to be installed (/me is an OP there too) |
| 02:08:54 | VerxHome | I might do that some time |
| 02:08:56 | VerxHome | but tell me |
| 02:08:56 | Speedy2 | I used to sell RAM cards and stuff |
| 02:09:01 | VerxHome | what do these new things do for me? |
| 02:09:03 | Speedy2 | (Home made) |
| 02:09:04 | Speedy2 | Ohhh man |
| 02:09:13 | Speedy2 | The bro is an Aero E too and used a bunch of stuff |
| 02:09:21 | Speedy2 | (that I am suggesting you use) |
| 02:09:32 | Speedy2 | Let me put it like this: It's the difference between DOS and Linux |
| 02:09:33 | VerxHome | I am taking statistics this semester |
| 02:09:36 | Speedy2 | oooh |
| 02:09:57 | Speedy2 | Like, you really need to hook up with this stuff I'm suggesting |
| 02:10:01 | Speedy2 | You won't know how you lived without it. |
| 02:10:02 | Speedy2 | I promise |
| 02:10:03 | VerxHome | heh |
| 02:10:10 | VerxHome | do I have to have a 128KB card tho to use it? |
| 02:10:13 | Speedy2 | No |
| 02:10:27 | VerxHome | speedy2: Anywhere with screenshots of it? |
| 02:10:30 | Speedy2 | The 128KB card will help, but you can use a decent amount w/o it |
| 02:10:37 | BigBoss | you gotta see this |
| 02:10:38 | BigBoss | http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_info/0,3699,2399411,00.html |
| 02:10:39 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: www.hpcalc.org, check out "Java" |
| 02:10:40 | VerxHome | howdy shawn |
| 02:11:16 | rikkus_ | BigBoss: hi |
| 02:11:17 | goshawk` | the only HP I own is an old 64000 |
| 02:11:25 | goshawk` | :D |
| 02:11:34 | BigBoss | it's Kevin Spacey playing different characters auditioning for Star Wars |
| 02:11:45 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: I suggest you get: Java 3.6 , ALG48, MathTool 7.0 , QPI , QAG48 , UFL (neccessary) and maybe TED |
| 02:11:45 | Com[Plex] | seen that |
| 02:11:49 | Com[Plex] | very funny |
| 02:12:12 | BigBoss | he does christopher walken doing han solo - it's awesome |
| 02:12:22 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 02:12:26 | Speedy2 | It's goond |
| 02:12:27 | Speedy2 | good |
| 02:12:28 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 02:12:29 | Speedy2 | "f I want to see a SNL sketch, I'll watch SNL (but I probably won't because it |
| 02:12:29 | Speedy2 | usually sucks). Also, will this Star Wars spoof crap ever end? Sometimes it |
| 02:12:29 | Speedy2 | seems like IFILM is controlled by a bunch of geeks jerking off to Princess Leia. |
| 02:12:44 | moot | hrm |
| 02:12:59 | Speedy2 | Was one of the comment |
| 02:12:59 | Speedy2 | s |
| 02:13:18 | goshawk` | can oz run off of SD's, or is that out of the question? |
| 02:13:35 | Speedy2 | Java lets you see things algebraically (among MANY cool things) like X^2 is displayed with the X and the superscript 2, you can view symbolics in matricies, you can view strings on the stack, BIG ass equations, etc. |
| 02:14:08 | VerxHome | speedy2: But doesn't that slow things WAY down? |
| 02:14:19 | Speedy2 | Not really |
| 02:14:24 | Speedy2 | Java is written mostly in assembler |
| 02:14:26 | Speedy2 | It's pretty shit fast. |
| 02:14:32 | TheMasterMind1 | goshawk`: read the OZ FAQ. you can install all the apps onto sd |
| 02:14:32 | Speedy2 | SOME things are slower, but I think it's fine |
| 02:14:36 | BigBoss | you gotta see this one then http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_info/0,3699,2424040,00.html?ad_ref=top_twenty_shorts_online&cch= |
| 02:14:40 | BigBoss | no star wars |
| 02:14:42 | TheMasterMind1 | and have oz kernel use all of the ram/rom |
| 02:14:53 | Speedy2 | QPI will take fucked up things like .707xxxxx and turn it into SQ(2) (square root of 2), etc |
| 02:15:08 | Speedy2 | It can figure out factors of PI, square roots, expoenentials, etc |
| 02:15:16 | VerxHome | speedy2: Your opinion on the 49? |
| 02:15:16 | goshawk` | themaster: good advice. thanks. |
| 02:15:23 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Blue dildo |
| 02:15:24 | TheMasterMind1 | PI has factors? |
| 02:15:28 | VerxHome | heh |
| 02:15:37 | VerxHome | ok, so I can trust you then |
| 02:15:38 | VerxHome | good |
| 02:15:40 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: The fucked up keyboard is really what turns me off |
| 02:16:07 | Speedy2 | They fucked up the layout (it's like a TI-89, no big ENTER key) + they made it rubber instead of injection molding it |
| 02:16:10 | jbardin | anyone savvy with tmake... i got it to compile my library as static |
| 02:16:13 | Speedy2 | The color scheme suxxx |
| 02:16:24 | jbardin | but now i want to compile my app and link it staticly to a specific library is this possible? |
| 02:16:35 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: The 49G == 48GX + Erable (which you can download and install for the 48) + MetaKernel (which you can technically now get for free too) |
| 02:16:52 | VerxHome | Erable? |
| 02:17:19 | VerxHome | holy shit batman |
| 02:17:25 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 02:17:26 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought this was #zaurus ;D |
| 02:17:30 | Speedy2 | It's French of "Maple" |
| 02:17:38 | Speedy2 | Maple being the crazy symbolic package |
| 02:17:43 | Speedy2 | So Erable does a LOT of cool stuff |
| 02:17:55 | Speedy2 | Like LaPlace/Inverse LaPlace, solver, bunch of matrix stuff |
| 02:18:12 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: It's not excluslively Zaurus talk |
| 02:19:44 | VerxHome | wow |
| 02:19:46 | VerxHome | lemmings |
| 02:19:50 | Speedy2 | sigh |
| 02:19:51 | VerxHome | it looks just like the original too |
| 02:20:00 | Speedy2 | Why is it that EVERYONE gravitates towards games on their 48? |
| 02:20:16 | Speedy2 | I had a friend who bought a 1MB RAM card and he just put a shit load of games on it! |
| 02:20:31 | VerxHome | that sounds like an excellent idea |
| 02:20:32 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Did you check out those packages I suggested? |
| 02:20:34 | VerxHome | if I didn't have a Z |
| 02:20:35 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:20:37 | Speedy2 | slaps VerxHome |
| 02:20:41 | VerxHome | speedy2: They weren't on the homepage |
| 02:20:45 | VerxHome | I will try to find them in a bit |
| 02:20:49 | Speedy2 | Yeah they are |
| 02:20:55 | Speedy2 | For Java check "Stack Replacements" |
| 02:21:03 | Speedy2 | ALG48 is under Symbolic Math tools |
| 02:21:05 | Speedy2 | QPI too |
| 02:21:20 | Speedy2 | QAG48 is a way cool numeric integration tool that's many times faster than the HP's built-in |
| 02:21:24 | Speedy2 | MathTools is under (I dunno) |
| 02:21:30 | Speedy2 | Erable is also under Symbolic Math |
| 02:21:52 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 02:21:57 | Speedy2 | ??? |
| 02:22:00 | VerxHome | there must be 50 different versions of tetris |
| 02:22:04 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 02:22:08 | Speedy2 | If you ask me, the best was "Columns" |
| 02:22:37 | goshawk` | wow, speedy has tried them all =) |
| 02:23:19 | Speedy2 | Hey, when I said EVERYONE gravitates towards putting their games on the HP, you bet I was among them! :) |
| 02:23:28 | Speedy2 | That's how I used my 384KB of RAM when I first upgraded my HP |
| 02:23:38 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 02:23:44 | Speedy2 | In fact! |
| 02:23:56 | Speedy2 | There is a VIDEO of the opening theme to Airwolf! (For the HP48 calculator!) |
| 02:24:08 | Speedy2 | It's about 70KB if my memory serves me correctly. |
| 02:24:39 | ljp | my HP spits out paper with black and colored images and letters |
| 02:26:22 | goshawk` | when the CF slot is empty, does anyone else's Zaurus make a rattling noise? |
| 02:26:37 | goshawk` | (when shaken) |
| 02:27:35 | DaWorm | mine doesnt |
| 02:27:57 | ljp | yes both of mine do |
| 02:28:22 | goshawk` | ok, I will presume that is normal then |
| 02:28:32 | goshawk` | thank you for checking for me |
| 02:29:17 | goshawk` | you = you both |
| 02:30:29 | goshawk` | daworm: did you buy yours within the last two months, or earlier? |
| 02:31:02 | goshawk` | (the first one I got and returned didn't rattle, and that used an older ROM) |
| 02:32:39 | DaWorm | well i bought mine 2 months ago and had a 2.17 rom |
| 02:32:45 | DaWorm | still had to update the thing |
| 02:37:31 | goshawk` | interesting. the one I returned ran 2.12. |
| 02:37:31 | DaWorm | where'd you get it? |
| 02:37:31 | goshawk` | Amazon. =) |
| 02:37:31 | DaWorm | ohhh |
| 02:37:31 | DaWorm | bestbuy |
| 02:37:31 | goshawk` | so I swapped, and got a 2.37, which does rattle |
| 02:37:32 | goshawk` | (and a friend's 2.38 rattles also) |
| 02:37:32 | goshawk` | ljp: which versions did your units come stock with, if I may ask? |
| 02:37:32 | ljp | they came with _:_ |
| 02:37:32 | ljp | or was it -:- |
| 02:37:32 | Bender | does anyone have the specs for the sharp power adapter |
| 02:37:32 | ljp | pre 1.02 |
| 02:37:32 | goshawk` | are those 5000's? |
| 02:37:32 | Speedy2 | Bender: It puts out like 6VDC I think |
| 02:37:32 | br33zy | Bender, thats a cool name |
| 02:37:32 | br33zy | I have a question |
| 02:37:32 | goshawk` | 5V, I think |
| 02:37:33 | br33zy | is there some specific date that sharp sends back contest information? for win/loose? |
| 02:37:33 | goshawk` | at least according to the label on the adapter |
| 02:37:37 | ljp | br33zy: if you can catch sniper on here, he's the one to ask.. |
| 02:37:49 | br33zy | ljp: k thanks |
| 02:40:20 | br33zy | brb |
| 02:40:25 | ljp | my cat has a licking fetish |
| 02:40:45 | goshawk` | you would too, if you couldn't use your hands to do anything |
| 02:40:47 | Speedy2 | Keep it away from your genitals |
| 02:40:48 | goshawk` | =) |
| 02:40:57 | ljp | sico |
| 02:41:05 | Speedy2 | lol, I'm joking |
| 02:41:12 | goshawk` | jeez, I hope so =) |
| 02:43:02 | kergoth | so that stupid fucking time/date loss on suspend/reboot in OZ is finally fixed. |
| 02:43:16 | goshawk` | that |
| 02:43:22 | goshawk` | 's cool |
| 02:43:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:43:32 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth |
| 02:43:33 | kergoth | it was elusive, cause i could never reproduce the problem |
| 02:43:40 | goshawk` | sorry...typing lag is bad |
| 02:43:42 | kergoth | now i know why. |
| 02:43:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:43:46 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 02:44:02 | kergoth | I gotta go to bed in a few, just hopped into the den to shut off the music |
| 02:44:20 | [DrEvil] | you wont escape us that easily |
| 02:44:27 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:44:31 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth |
| 02:44:40 | Com[Plex] | should I update the oz-base? |
| 02:44:47 | kergoth | i refuse to do any supporting or OZ buildsystem help or bug fixing or *anything* just now |
| 02:44:53 | Com[Plex] | remove the old one and install the new one? |
| 02:44:54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: update what you want to update. I dont make changes frivolously. |
| 02:44:58 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: *NO* |
| 02:45:04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: DO NOT REMOVE the old one first. period. |
| 02:45:05 | Com[Plex] | leave them both installed? |
| 02:45:07 | [DrEvil] | it builds for me now |
| 02:45:08 | Bender | so is it pretty much confirmed that the ipaq power adapters won't cause harm? |
| 02:45:11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you *wilL* fuck your Z |
| 02:45:12 | [DrEvil] | so I am good |
| 02:45:14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: NO |
| 02:45:16 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it supports upgrading!!!@#% |
| 02:45:23 | codemnky | hey kergoth |
| 02:45:30 | Speedy2 | Bender: The Z has an auto-adjusting powre supply, it can take a input voltage of upto 6V without any harm. |
| 02:45:31 | Com[Plex] | if it supports upgrading, then why are there two fo the,? |
| 02:45:37 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it'll just upgrade the version of the package cleanly. if you remove the old one you could leave your system in an unusable sdtate |
| 02:45:37 | Com[Plex] | ofg them |
| 02:45:45 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: because the package manager shows every version it knows about |
| 02:45:49 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: regardless of whether they're installed |
| 02:45:50 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 02:45:54 | codemnky | another month has gone by and i have no bitches about the openZ |
| 02:46:06 | codemnky | :P |
| 02:46:18 | [DrEvil] | time to wash dishes |
| 02:46:19 | ljp | hmmm well.. |
| 02:46:30 | ljp | try fbvnc on oz ;) |
| 02:46:37 | jmhodges | heya folks |
| 02:47:09 | Com[Plex] | once the new base is installed, I should just leave the old one alone? or should I remove it now? |
| 02:47:22 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: youre not listening |
| 02:47:28 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it keeps cached package information |
| 02:47:32 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 02:47:37 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: when you install that one, you still only have *ONE* installed |
| 02:47:40 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it *UPGRADES* |
| 02:47:47 | [DrEvil] | that frightens me |
| 02:47:51 | Com[Plex] | allrighty |
| 02:47:57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it just *shows* every version its ever come in contact with because it caches the information int he package database |
| 02:48:01 | [DrEvil] | when I uninstall addressbook and an entry remains in ipkg |
| 02:48:14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: and *please* read the opie users manual and wiki documentation before you proceed |
| 02:48:36 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yeah, it keeps its knowledge of every package its ever seen, though its just the control info, it doesnt keep the postinsts and crap |
| 02:48:57 | ljp | where can I get opie warez? ;) |
| 02:48:57 | [DrEvil] | but I like to see that list be clean |
| 02:49:03 | kergoth | s hoots ljp |
| 02:49:04 | Com[Plex] | Ive read the manual. the parts of it im asking questions about arent really visited in the manual |
| 02:49:06 | [DrEvil] | it just doesn't look clean that way |
| 02:49:07 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: as do i |
| 02:49:08 | Onyx4 | ljp: talk to marknova :) |
| 02:49:17 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: try asking in #opie, the *appropriate* place to ask |
| 02:49:24 | Com[Plex] | ahh. disco |
| 02:49:25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i'm not the sole means of support for the opie project, the Z isnt the only device it runs on |
| 02:49:32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: there's also the opie mailing list, fyi |
| 02:49:37 | | recommended, stable bootldr is 2.18.48, found at http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bootldr/ for cvsweb access |
| 02:49:37 | treke|home | ibot: bootldr? |
| 02:49:39 | Com[Plex] | sorry mate |
| 02:49:42 | kergoth | np |
| 02:49:47 | kergoth | jsut been a long day |
| 02:49:52 | kergoth | and i know i have to support stupid fuckers on the phone tomorrow |
| 02:49:52 | ljp | starts charging for taking oz/opie support calls |
| 02:49:56 | jmhodges | anyone know how to setup the net to a Z using a dhcp client pc? |
| 02:49:58 | Com[Plex] | hheh |
| 02:49:59 | kergoth | so doing tech support right now before bed annoys the hell out of me |
| 02:50:06 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 02:50:06 | Onyx4 | kergoth, don't spend as much time supporting people, we can do that stuff :) go back coding hehe |
| 02:50:07 | Com[Plex] | *comfort* |
| 02:50:12 | ljp | I meant |
| 02:50:15 | [DrEvil] | you will dream you are doing tech support |
| 02:50:18 | ljp | starts charging kergoth for taking oz/opie support calls |
| 02:50:20 | Com[Plex] | thats what you get for being helpful :> |
| 02:50:21 | kergoth | Onyx4: heh, i cant help it, i see a question, i want to help people out |
| 02:50:27 | Com[Plex] | everyone will keep pestering you. heheh |
| 02:50:28 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: man, thatd suck |
| 02:50:30 | Com[Plex] | ":> |
| 02:50:34 | Speedy2 | kergoth: If we sing "Dream Weaver" to you, will it help? |
| 02:50:35 | treke|home | kergoth: dont wory, we can make fun of them as well as you can |
| 02:50:41 | kergoth | treke|home: hah |
| 02:50:42 | Com[Plex] | im the same way. but then I allways have a million questions |
| 02:50:45 | [DrEvil] | when you start dreaming you are at work it is time to move on |
| 02:50:47 | kergoth | treke|home: thats a comfort |
| 02:50:55 | | RTFM is Read The Fine Product Documentation |
| 02:50:55 | Onyx4 | ibot: RTFM |
| 02:51:00 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: no kidding. thankfully i'm not to that point, but i can almost see the breaking point coming now |
| 02:51:04 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: worse every week. |
| 02:51:06 | Com[Plex] | one more thing tho,. what is the wlan.ng ipk for? |
| 02:51:19 | [DrEvil] | yeah kergoth |
| 02:51:19 | Com[Plex] | it doesnt say in he "packages" file |
| 02:51:21 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: for poeople that want to switch back to the sharp wireless drivers and config scripts |
| 02:51:24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: not recommended |
| 02:51:30 | Com[Plex] | ahh. cool. |
| 02:51:33 | Com[Plex] | I like the new ones. |
| 02:51:33 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: we use a better methodology for wireless, imho |
| 02:51:35 | [DrEvil] | there should be a big warning on that package |
| 02:51:36 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 02:51:41 | Com[Plex] | yeah, defenitely |
| 02:51:46 | Onyx4 | yes prism2 hostap is good and working well |
| 02:51:46 | Com[Plex] | thers Nothing in the feed about it |
| 02:52:01 | | minicom is ok. In fact I did xmodem transfers from minicom. But after reseting, minicom receives dirty echo from serial port |
| 02:52:01 | treke|home | ibot, minicom? |
| 02:52:14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yeah, i havent filled in much for description information about the packages yet |
| 02:52:20 | ljp | ha |
| 02:52:32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: thankfully that stupid time/date loss bug is gone, thats one more monkey off my back, so to speak |
| 02:52:48 | Com[Plex] | hehe,. what was causing that anywyay? |
| 02:52:56 | Com[Plex] | nah, nevermind. its not important |
| 02:52:57 | kergoth | okay check this |
| 02:52:58 | [DrEvil] | a barrel of monkeys |
| 02:53:02 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 02:53:03 | kergoth | atd requries /var/spool/at/trigger, a pipe |
| 02:53:06 | kergoth | right? |
| 02:53:08 | kergoth | well |
| 02:53:13 | kergoth | stupid fucking thing is |
| 02:53:16 | kergoth | it was created only on full reset by postinst |
| 02:53:20 | Onyx4 | kergoth, which packages needs updated for the time/reset bug? |
| 02:53:25 | kergoth | but var gets wiped on every reboot |
| 02:53:25 | kergoth | !! |
| 02:53:28 | Com[Plex] | ooh.. |
| 02:53:32 | kergoth | so IF you reboot before setting your time, it'd never get synced! |
| 02:53:34 | Com[Plex] | it Does! |
| 02:53:39 | Com[Plex] | doh |
| 02:53:42 | kergoth | I never saw it cause i always set the time before doing anythign else |
| 02:53:45 | kergoth | ! |
| 02:53:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:53:52 | kergoth | if you reboot first you were in bad shape |
| 02:53:54 | Com[Plex] | lol. I never set the time |
| 02:53:58 | kergoth | atd would create /var/spool/at/trigger |
| 02:54:01 | kergoth | BUT |
| 02:54:04 | kergoth | it never created a pipe |
| 02:54:06 | kergoth | it created an empty file |
| 02:54:14 | kergoth | and once that was there, you'd assume all was well and good |
| 02:54:17 | Onyx4 | nice atch kerg |
| 02:54:18 | kergoth | unless you check file type |
| 02:54:23 | kergoth | it was STUPID |
| 02:54:29 | kergoth | i thought it was creating it in the statup script |
| 02:54:31 | kergoth | it wasnt |
| 02:54:32 | Onyx4 | s/atch/catch |
| 02:54:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:54:44 | kergoth | blah |
| 02:54:46 | kergoth | i sleep now |
| 02:54:52 | kergoth | so i'm not late again to work tomorrow |
| 02:54:54 | kergoth | cause i need my job |
| 02:54:54 | Speedy2 | DreamWeaver |
| 02:54:56 | kergoth | night people |
| 02:55:03 | kergoth | here's hoping no tech support dreams |
| 02:55:52 | Com[Plex] | gnite :> |
| 02:56:04 | Wembly | tech support dreams... |
| 02:56:06 | Wembly | herm. |
| 02:56:10 | Wembly | that seems like an oxymoron |
| 02:56:18 | Wembly | tech support nightmares perhaps |
| 02:56:20 | Wembly | dreams... no |
| 02:57:15 | extremis | kergoth |
| 02:57:20 | Com[Plex] | he left |
| 02:57:22 | extremis | any status on the zaurus port of fakeap? |
| 02:57:24 | extremis | damn |
| 02:57:31 | Com[Plex] | /j opie |
| 02:57:35 | Com[Plex] | ask there |
| 02:57:49 | Wembly | fakeap? |
| 02:57:51 | treke|home | hmmm. not boot loader has boot from cf as an option |
| 02:57:51 | Wembly | whats fakeap? |
| 02:58:29 | | Go away, I don't like you anymore. |
| 02:58:29 | treke|home | ibot, kiss? |
| 02:58:38 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 02:59:05 | | disconnect is, like, an ipaq hacker working on several projects (gaim, vlc, kiss, etc). Disconnect on irc, or tag him on his ipaq (dis_ipaq on irc, "Dis on Ipaq" on AIM) |
| 02:59:05 | treke|home | ibot, disconnect? |
| 03:00:12 | KGBudz | anyone use a tv remote control program on the zaurus? |
| 03:00:25 | KGBudz | like opie remote? |
| 03:00:56 | roge99 | KGBudz: ir isnt strong enought to control your tv from more the 18 inches or so |
| 03:01:31 | Onyx4 | sad |
| 03:01:56 | Speedy2 | Yes! |
| 03:02:05 | Speedy2 | You can control TVs and stuff with the IR from the Z |
| 03:02:13 | Wembly | speedy2: how far away tho? |
| 03:02:21 | phatcat625 | 2 inches |
| 03:02:26 | phatcat625 | it's still cool though heh |
| 03:02:28 | Wembly | darn foggy lense over the ir array kinda makes it questionable. |
| 03:02:35 | KGBudz | really? |
| 03:02:50 | phatcat625 | i had that for my old visor it was about four inches |
| 03:02:56 | Speedy2 | NO |
| 03:02:57 | Wembly | i never understood why that foggy peice of plastic was there tho. its on alot of things. |
| 03:02:58 | Speedy2 | Not 2" |
| 03:03:09 | Speedy2 | It's there to block out light which carries some IR energy |
| 03:03:18 | Speedy2 | Like control TVs prob about 20-30 feet away |
| 03:03:19 | Wembly | k thats what i thought hehe |
| 03:03:22 | Speedy2 | Transmitting is not hard |
| 03:03:26 | Speedy2 | RXing is hard |
| 03:03:31 | Speedy2 | RXing is limited to 2", TX is not |
| 03:03:56 | Wembly | speedy2: funfun :) |
| 03:03:58 | phatcat625 | ooooh |
| 03:04:01 | roge99 | from what i recall we had this conversation back in Jan and the specs were 18" or so |
| 03:04:18 | Speedy2 | 18 inches or 18 feet? |
| 03:04:21 | Com[Plex] | why doesnt someone just install it and find out? |
| 03:04:22 | Wembly | roge99: did anyone actually test it? |
| 03:04:27 | roge99 | 18 inches |
| 03:04:28 | Com[Plex] | what does it take to install this? |
| 03:04:34 | Speedy2 | That's wrong |
| 03:04:37 | Com[Plex] | Ill do it right now |
| 03:04:41 | Speedy2 | The TX can go to beyond 15-20 feet |
| 03:04:41 | Speedy2 | UGH |
| 03:04:42 | roge99 | I dont know if anyone tested it |
| 03:04:42 | Speedy2 | You f00l |
| 03:04:44 | Wembly | a library that isnt included in oz hehe |
| 03:04:53 | Speedy2 | Using another Z to RX won't be "testing" it |
| 03:04:57 | Speedy2 | You need to test with a TV |
| 03:04:59 | Com[Plex] | and whats it called? if yuo dont mind telling me |
| 03:05:11 | Wembly | lirc iirc |
| 03:05:21 | roge99 | Speedy2: Im going on specs from sharp .. |
| 03:06:17 | Com[Plex] | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/result.phtml?query=lirc&searchtype=package§ion= |
| 03:06:22 | Speedy2 | roge99: They're wrong |
| 03:06:31 | roge99 | That would be great |
| 03:06:32 | Speedy2 | Transmission can go far. |
| 03:06:38 | Speedy2 | Trust me, I know. |
| 03:07:26 | roge99 | Speedy2: so test it out and let us know what the range is |
| 03:07:39 | Speedy2 | Give me a Z. |
| 03:07:46 | Com[Plex] | has ANyone used this yet? |
| 03:08:00 | Com[Plex] | any idea how to get lirc installed on the z? |
| 03:08:05 | roge99 | JasonNJ had said that it would only transmit -+ 18 inches or so |
| 03:08:11 | Speedy2 | That's wrong. |
| 03:08:12 | KGBudz | i think there is a special z version of lirc |
| 03:08:16 | KGBudz | http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/ |
| 03:08:18 | Speedy2 | roge99: Did he say what he was testing with? |
| 03:08:30 | roge99 | i dunno i dont do IR stuff much |
| 03:08:31 | Speedy2 | roge99: If he was using another Z to recieve, then the test is nullified |
| 03:08:37 | roge99 | why |
| 03:08:54 | Speedy2 | SIGH |
| 03:09:00 | Speedy2 | Read what I said above, OK? |
| 03:09:19 | roge99 | i would thing you would be able to recive at an unlimited distance as long a the transmission source is strong enough |
| 03:09:22 | Wembly | ahh spiffy |
| 03:09:26 | Wembly | there is the lirc package |
| 03:09:31 | Speedy2 | roge99: Well that's wrong. |
| 03:09:32 | Com[Plex] | what kernel version is OZ? |
| 03:09:41 | roge99 | Speedy2: explaine |
| 03:09:44 | Speedy2 | That's like saying if you yell loud enough, a deaf person can hear you. |
| 03:09:50 | cutm | i won dah money |
| 03:09:50 | roge99 | no |
| 03:09:53 | Speedy2 | Yes. |
| 03:09:53 | cutm | dah money is mine |
| 03:09:57 | goshawk` | yeah, you can do 5' with two Z's |
| 03:10:05 | Com[Plex] | what kernel version is OZ? 2.4.18?? |
| 03:10:10 | Wembly | 2.4.6 same as sharprom |
| 03:10:14 | goshawk` | doesn't prove much :P |
| 03:10:25 | roge99 | its like saying a person w/ normal hearing can hear a loudspeaker at 1 mile |
| 03:10:42 | Speedy2 | Except that the reception on a Z is NOT like a normal person! |
| 03:10:44 | roge99 | but not being able to hear someone yell at that distance |
| 03:10:48 | Speedy2 | The reception on a TV is like a normal person |
| 03:10:56 | Speedy2 | The reception on the Z is mucho limited due to power reasons. |
| 03:11:11 | Speedy2 | The reception on TVs are not limited since they have a fat wall plug to run off of |
| 03:11:11 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
| 03:11:12 | roge99 | how is recive limited to power ? |
| 03:11:20 | Speedy2 | stops |
| 03:11:24 | Speedy2 | Think what you will. |
| 03:11:24 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 03:11:30 | roge99 | OK |
| 03:11:38 | roge99 | im just asking you to explain |
| 03:11:52 | roge99 | im not claiming to be an expert at this |
| 03:11:55 | Com[Plex] | anyone got lirc working on the zaurus? |
| 03:12:16 | Wembly | give me a second or two |
| 03:12:26 | KGBudz | there is a package, but its broken |
| 03:12:30 | KGBudz | you have to manually install |
| 03:12:31 | roge99 | Speedy2: i know my agenda has 2 ir ports one for syncing and one high power one to use as a remote |
| 03:12:32 | KGBudz | http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/zfeed/ |
| 03:12:39 | scanline | is back (gone 03:43:59) |
| 03:12:42 | KGBudz | but i cant untar the package |
| 03:13:55 | Com[Plex] | I can just fine |
| 03:14:41 | KGBudz | i tried |
| 03:14:48 | KGBudz | tar gives me an error |
| 03:14:51 | KGBudz | how you do it |
| 03:14:51 | Com[Plex] | tar.gz |
| 03:14:58 | Com[Plex] | rename it to .tar.gz |
| 03:15:00 | KGBudz | o |
| 03:15:02 | KGBudz | got it |
| 03:16:16 | KGBudz | where are you putting the .o file? |
| 03:16:43 | KGBudz | you got to insmod it? |
| 03:17:22 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 03:17:27 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 03:17:30 | Com[Plex] | hang on |
| 03:18:02 | Wembly | ok grabbed all the packages |
| 03:18:07 | | onyx4: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:18:07 | Onyx4 | ibot: onyx4? |
| 03:18:31 | | kergoth is, like, at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net and is the OpenZaurus guy |
| 03:18:31 | Onyx4 | ibot: kergoth? |
| 03:19:21 | Com[Plex] | I thinhk it should go in /lib |
| 03:19:33 | Wembly | herm? |
| 03:19:40 | Com[Plex] | then do depmod -ae |
| 03:19:49 | Com[Plex] | dont ask me why |
| 03:19:53 | Com[Plex] | its in the postinst |
| 03:19:59 | Wembly | hehehe |
| 03:20:18 | Wembly | depmod -ae updates the module depenedcys |
| 03:20:43 | KGBudz | i tried insmod, but i got a warning |
| 03:22:33 | Com[Plex] | oh, knwo why |
| 03:22:43 | Wembly | what warning? |
| 03:22:55 | Wembly | besides the incompatable kernel version.. |
| 03:22:55 | KGBudz | something like irq not found |
| 03:22:56 | Wembly | herm. |
| 03:22:59 | Wembly | let me build an oz kernel. |
| 03:23:07 | KGBudz | im doing it from sharp rom |
| 03:23:12 | Wembly | wonder if i can grab the module. |
| 03:23:24 | Com[Plex] | put it in /lib\modules\2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix\kernel\drivers\char |
| 03:23:29 | KGBudz | i cant get the 2nd ipk to install correctly either |
| 03:23:55 | Com[Plex] | just untar it, and put the files in /home/Qtpalmtop/bin |
| 03:24:13 | Com[Plex] | or /opt/Qtpalmtop/bin - for the second one |
| 03:24:23 | Com[Plex] | the module should go in /lib\modules\2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix\kernel\drivers\char |
| 03:26:29 | Wembly | herm |
| 03:26:31 | Wembly | umm dont use \ |
| 03:26:53 | Com[Plex] | like yuo can cut and paste that |
| 03:27:02 | Com[Plex] | I pasted it from my pc |
| 03:27:08 | Com[Plex] | beats typing it all out |
| 03:27:44 | KGBudz | sweet, its running |
| 03:27:56 | Com[Plex] | was I right? |
| 03:27:57 | KGBudz | let me test it out |
| 03:28:02 | KGBudz | ya |
| 03:28:08 | Com[Plex] | sweet! |
| 03:30:21 | Wembly | complex: question did the driver load? |
| 03:30:40 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 03:30:50 | Com[Plex] | dunno.. im about to test it tho. |
| 03:30:56 | Com[Plex] | gonna get my irda sensor |
| 03:31:12 | Wembly | speedy2: see what you did? |
| 03:31:20 | Com[Plex] | "couldnt connect to socket" |
| 03:32:11 | Speedy2 | Wembly: What did I do? |
| 03:33:31 | Wembly | got everyone to play with opie-remote :) |
| 03:34:10 | KGBudz | i get the same error |
| 03:34:30 | Speedy2 | Oh well. |
| 03:34:41 | Speedy2 | If they were smart, they'd just "cat" to and from the IR devices. |
| 03:34:56 | Speedy2 | One cat FROM the IR port to capture a signal and a cat TO the IR port to TX it |
| 03:35:04 | jmhodges | hm.. how can i get my z to resolve hosts when it is connected to a dhcp client pc to get to the net |
| 03:36:06 | Com[Plex] | fucking phone. Ill brb |
| 03:36:57 | roge99 | jmhodges: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:37:17 | Onyx4 | jmhodges: normally the dhcp provides DNS info |
| 03:37:26 | jmhodges | roge99: to what? i had to disable dhcp |
| 03:37:33 | jmhodges | er. |
| 03:37:33 | jmhodges | DAMMIT |
| 03:37:37 | roge99 | nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 03:37:39 | jmhodges | i had to disable my dns for dhcp |
| 03:37:46 | jmhodges | i already commented the lines out |
| 03:37:53 | jmhodges | waaait |
| 03:37:54 | roge99 | ?? |
| 03:37:57 | roge99 | why |
| 03:37:58 | Onyx4 | just put whatever, use 192.26.210.1 or a local one from your ISP if you know one |
| 03:38:18 | roge99 | you need to have a real nameserver there |
| 03:38:35 | jmhodges | Onyx4: its a dorm room im in :) |
| 03:38:49 | Onyx4 | just use the one I told you it'll work |
| 03:38:50 | roge99 | and is your pc doing any masq/nat |
| 03:39:04 | jmhodges | roge99: well it didnt work with the odl ones i had (which is recent seeing as i just left that isp, which was another edu) |
| 03:39:10 | jmhodges | roge99: well yeah |
| 03:39:26 | jmhodges | roge99: im using a modfied script i had for when i was running ppp |
| 03:39:33 | roge99 | ok ... just making sure |
| 03:39:34 | jmhodges | roge99: its reaaaal simple |
| 03:39:50 | jmhodges | root@Gecko:~# cat zaurus.sh |
| 03:40:10 | jmhodges | #!/bin/bash |
| 03:40:10 | jmhodges | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 up && |
| 03:40:10 | jmhodges | route add -net 192.168.129.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev usb0 && |
| 03:40:10 | jmhodges | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE && |
| 03:40:10 | jmhodges | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 03:40:11 | jmhodges | #on the Z run 'route add default gw 192.168.129.200 |
| 03:40:15 | jmhodges | whoops last line was unnecessary |
| 03:40:29 | roge99 | im very familer w/ iptables |
| 03:40:38 | jmhodges | obviously im using the 198.168.129.0 network |
| 03:40:51 | roge99 | i just wanted to make sure you knew that you need to do that |
| 03:40:57 | jmhodges | roge99: well yeah im just telling you what im using specifically (im not familar with iptables) |
| 03:41:04 | jmhodges | roge99: okie dokie |
| 03:41:09 | roge99 | no prob |
| 03:42:13 | roge99 | you can use the nameservers from your resolv.conf on your desktop |
| 03:43:16 | jmhodges | roge99: er.. you mean the old ones that i had to comment out ? |
| 03:43:22 | roge99 | no .. |
| 03:43:31 | roge99 | the ones on your desktop |
| 03:43:42 | roge99 | if your getting out they must be OK |
| 03:43:59 | jmhodges | well i have no nameservers in my pc's resolv.conf |
| 03:44:12 | roge99 | ??? |
| 03:44:15 | jmhodges | because of the way the campus' network is setup |
| 03:44:15 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 03:44:19 | jmhodges | had to remove them |
| 03:44:58 | roge99 | what do you mean ? |
| 03:45:29 | jmhodges | holy crap |
| 03:45:29 | jmhodges | wait a sec |
| 03:45:29 | jmhodges | AH i SEE |
| 03:45:29 | jmhodges | smacks his head |
| 03:45:29 | jmhodges | dhcpcd added them for me |
| 03:45:31 | jmhodges | What an idiot i am! |
| 03:45:35 | jmhodges | shakes roge99 hand |
| 03:45:37 | jmhodges | thanks! |
| 03:45:41 | roge99 | no prob |
| 03:46:12 | jmhodges | now to figure out why i cnat ssh into my Z |
| 03:46:29 | jmhodges | and of course i lost my stylus today |
| 03:46:41 | roge99 | ohh that sucks |
| 03:46:49 | jmhodges | hm.. sshd wasnt getting run |
| 03:47:00 | roge99 | stock rom ? |
| 03:49:31 | Com[Plex] | im gonna fix these stupid ipkgs for the the lirc |
| 03:49:34 | Com[Plex] | gimme two minutes |
| 03:50:00 | KGBudz | com, you know how to fix the remote |
| 03:50:20 | Com[Plex] | I know how to build ipkgs |
| 03:50:31 | Com[Plex] | and if those are right, then it should install right. |
| 03:50:38 | KGBudz | let me know if you fix it |
| 03:50:40 | Com[Plex] | instead of this manual shit that doesnt seem to be working |
| 03:50:43 | Com[Plex] | yeah, |
| 03:51:14 | Speedy2 | http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/perfectwoman.jpg |
| 03:51:26 | jmhodges | oooo lirc |
| 03:51:54 | roge99 | Speedy2: lol |
| 03:51:58 | jmhodges | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-handwriting.postinst configure' failed: Illegal seek. |
| 03:52:00 | jmhodges | \ |
| 03:52:02 | jmhodges | fun.. |
| 03:52:02 | jmhodges | anyway |
| 03:52:10 | jmhodges | Speedy2: ... |
| 03:54:33 | jbardin | rock... i got sqlitedataset working with stdc++ staticlly |
| 03:54:38 | jbardin | and a nice clean compile system using tmake |
| 03:54:40 | TheMasterMind1 | how does opie-remote work? |
| 03:55:58 | jmhodges | where can i find the changelog for opie-securiry |
| 03:56:12 | jmhodges | or rather what new security measures are in place/ |
| 03:57:50 | jmhodges | ARGH |
| 03:58:04 | jmhodges | Configuring opie-volumeapplet.../opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop: error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:58:05 | jmhodges | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-volumeapplet.postinst configure' failed: Illegal seek. |
| 03:58:05 | jmhodges | ERROR: opie-volumeapplet.postinst returned 127 |
| 03:58:38 | jbardin | looks like you dont havbe your enviroment setup correctrly |
| 03:59:13 | jmhodges | what could i have possibly changed doing an ipkg upgrade that would kill it like this? |
| 04:00:09 | Com[Plex] | one down |
| 04:00:29 | jmhodges | well it appears to have installed. |
| 04:01:52 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 04:07:05 | Com[Plex] | okay |
| 04:07:11 | Com[Plex] | done packaging |
| 04:07:14 | Com[Plex] | now Im gonna test |
| 04:07:55 | jmhodges | Com[Plex]: testing? |
| 04:08:39 | Com[Plex] | one mment please |
| 04:09:06 | jmhodges | Com[Plex]: just wondering what it was |
| 04:09:37 | Com[Plex] | the remote |
| 04:09:42 | Com[Plex] | trying to fix it so it will install |
| 04:12:21 | Com[Plex] | okay |
| 04:12:24 | Com[Plex] | my pkgs install right. |
| 04:12:30 | Com[Plex] | now im gonna test it out |
| 04:12:37 | jmhodges | aah |
| 04:13:18 | Bender | sorry I missed a bit of this...does anyone have opie-remote working? |
| 04:13:26 | Com[Plex] | im wokring on it |
| 04:13:30 | Com[Plex] | had to re build some packages |
| 04:14:45 | rikkuz | opie-remote doesn't work here |
| 04:14:59 | rikkuz | some error that sounded like it couldn't see the ir device |
| 04:15:34 | Com[Plex] | I might have it fixed |
| 04:15:39 | rikkuz | great ! |
| 04:15:52 | Bender | sweet |
| 04:16:14 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:17:04 | Bender | I'm hand-rewinding tapes now b/c the remote to my vcr broke |
| 04:19:59 | Bender | the suspense is killing me |
| 04:23:30 | glenn | hi |
| 04:23:40 | Bender | hello glen |
| 04:24:03 | glenn | hi bender |
| 04:26:15 | glenn | bye |
| 04:26:40 | Com[Plex] | Wembly": do you have all the obex libs installed? |
| 04:28:44 | moot | hey jonny |
| 04:28:47 | moot | remember that song at uva they played |
| 04:28:49 | moot | the techno |
| 04:28:55 | moot | that i started reinacting |
| 04:29:02 | moot | and was making all those techno-like noises? |
| 04:29:17 | moot | i should start my own shoutcast and do that |
| 04:30:34 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 04:30:57 | Com[Plex] | I just killed my z when trying to isntall trhe irdaapplet |
| 04:31:01 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 04:31:06 | Com[Plex] | reoot |
| 04:31:18 | Com[Plex] | cross fingers; pray |
| 04:31:35 | Bender | you just don't know how badly I want this thing to work... |
| 04:31:43 | moot | hey |
| 04:31:45 | moot | you think thats bad |
| 04:31:50 | moot | replay my fucking .wav over alot |
| 04:31:56 | moot | because that SUCKED |
| 04:32:59 | rikkuz | alot? |
| 04:33:24 | moot | i sent him a file of my going over my bad experience :P |
| 04:33:32 | moot | because with my short bursts of typing |
| 04:33:37 | moot | it coulda taken 2 pages up |
| 04:36:18 | DrBoB | Any suggestions for a CF 802.11b card? I'm shopping |
| 04:37:32 | TheMasterMind1 | how is it that i always manage to fuck up the Z |
| 04:37:38 | TheMasterMind1 | DrBoB: get the socket low power one |
| 04:37:58 | TheMasterMind1 | its small, doesn't obstruct the stylus/headphone jack and is very low power |
| 04:38:21 | DrBoB | it's a bit pricey isn't it? |
| 04:38:38 | Bender | does it work with kismet? |
| 04:38:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ay but worth it, atleast i think so |
| 04:38:59 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure about kismet |
| 04:39:02 | TheMasterMind1 | it should work in OZ |
| 04:39:07 | TheMasterMind1 | its hermes based |
| 04:39:11 | TheMasterMind1 | works with the orinoco patch |
| 04:39:22 | DrBoB | How about the Linksys WCF12 ? they can be had for $66 shipped |
| 04:39:31 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 04:39:46 | TheMasterMind1 | probably eats a lot of power and obstructs the stylus/headphone jack |
| 04:39:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:39:56 | DrBoB | lemme check pricewatch for the socket |
| 04:40:01 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i make konq default for .html instead of opera? |
| 04:40:42 | DrBoB | well, the WCF11 looks like it would block ports...but the WCF12 is straight sided |
| 04:40:52 | DrBoB | and cheaper |
| 04:41:27 | hat_eater | anyone know if ncurses is ported to the zaurus, and if so where i can get a package of it? |
| 04:41:37 | TheMasterMind1 | hat_eater: everything uses ncurses |
| 04:41:44 | TheMasterMind1 | its probably already there |
| 04:41:45 | TheMasterMind1 | the libs |
| 04:41:48 | TheMasterMind1 | should be |
| 04:41:57 | hat_eater | oh, good point :) |
| 04:41:58 | DrBoB | whoah.....$146 for the Socket card |
| 04:41:59 | hat_eater | ok thanks |
| 04:42:36 | TheMasterMind1 | DrBoB: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10328126&hdwt=30701&loc=101 |
| 04:42:43 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not a bad deal |
| 04:42:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:42:50 | TheMasterMind1 | and its small too |
| 04:42:54 | TheMasterMind1 | much more so than the wcf11 |
| 04:43:20 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 04:43:20 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 04:43:35 | TheMasterMind1 | so i spent double for mine.. |
| 04:43:41 | TheMasterMind1 | mine eats less battery |
| 04:45:22 | DrBoB | true |
| 04:45:35 | TheMasterMind1 | so how do i make konq default for .html ? |
| 04:46:16 | DrBoB | yeah, buy.com with $62.16 (and free shipping) is a bette deal |
| 04:51:18 | TheMasterMind1 | bah! |
| 04:51:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't figure it out |
| 04:51:29 | TheMasterMind1 | can't figure out how to change the startup screen either |
| 04:53:02 | Bender | http://www.mmhart.com/zaurus_on_mmhartcom.htm for changing the startup screen...worked for me |
| 04:54:07 | Com[Plex] | go to http://me.256k.net/feed for the fixed lirc packages |
| 04:54:34 | Bender | does opie-remote work with these packages? |
| 04:54:45 | Wembly | no one knows |
| 04:54:50 | Wembly | we just know we wanta get it to work hehe |
| 04:54:54 | Bender | no one |
| 04:55:08 | Com[Plex] | it reports that it cant connect to the socket |
| 04:55:22 | Wembly | complex: take a look at the source. |
| 04:55:31 | Com[Plex] | so I chmod 666 /dev/lirc and then loaded an lirc.conf file |
| 04:55:31 | Wembly | see what its trying to connect to |
| 04:55:44 | Wembly | complex: and? |
| 04:56:18 | Com[Plex] | when I modprobed lirc_sir it reported : parameter irq not found |
| 04:56:38 | Wembly | yea its a warning |
| 04:56:48 | Wembly | it might be safely ignored |
| 04:56:57 | Com[Plex] | `now it just crashes when i try to run it |
| 04:57:59 | Com[Plex] | rebooting, gonna see if it changes anything |
| 04:58:13 | TheMasterMind1 | woot |
| 04:58:20 | TheMasterMind1 | well the startup screen worked |
| 04:58:25 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 04:58:26 | Wembly | check /dev/log/licd |
| 04:58:30 | TheMasterMind1 | but i still can't figure out how to change the default .html browser |
| 04:58:45 | Wembly | counld not open /dev/lirc default_init(0): no such device |
| 04:58:48 | Wembly | is what i got |
| 04:59:17 | Com[Plex] | I got passed that |
| 04:59:20 | TheMasterMind1 | awww |
| 04:59:21 | Com[Plex] | with my packages |
| 04:59:22 | TheMasterMind1 | crap crap crap |
| 04:59:27 | TheMasterMind1 | it froze up when rebooting |
| 04:59:31 | TheMasterMind1 | argh! |
| 04:59:34 | Bender | nice... |
| 04:59:38 | Com[Plex] | my fixed ipks will build the /dev/lirc |
| 04:59:40 | Bender | is this your blue z? |
| 04:59:45 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 04:59:53 | DaWorm | interesting |
| 04:59:59 | Com[Plex] | with custom startup, AND custom vnc |
| 05:00:14 | Com[Plex] | I mod everything i own |
| 05:00:25 | Wembly | complex: the problem is with the lirc_sir driver |
| 05:00:35 | Com[Plex] | yeah? |
| 05:00:41 | Com[Plex] | asking for an irq and not getting one |
| 05:01:07 | Wembly | dont think so |
| 05:01:09 | Wembly | dunno |
| 05:01:20 | TheMasterMind1 | godfuckingdammit |
| 05:01:40 | Bender | did you backup the lod one? |
| 05:01:44 | Wembly | go ask the maintainer in #opie whereever he is.. |
| 05:01:45 | Wembly | nini |
| 05:03:08 | TheMasterMind1 | cries |
| 05:05:23 | DrBoB | right ...or wrong ... the Wifi card is a done deal. Linksys WCF12 it is! |
| 05:06:34 | TheMasterMind1 | why did the Z crash when i rebooted? |
| 05:06:41 | TheMasterMind1 | second time now |
| 05:06:42 | TheMasterMind1 | grrr |
| 05:08:24 | DrBoB | Bender: thanks for the tips |
| 05:08:52 | Com[Plex] | TheMasterMind1: did you install OZ on there? |
| 05:09:52 | TheMasterMind1 | not yet |
| 05:10:01 | TheMasterMind1 | my cf card hasn't come yet :\ |
| 05:11:54 | TheMasterMind1 | gerat |
| 05:11:55 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 05:11:57 | TheMasterMind1 | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 05:12:01 | TheMasterMind1 | now i can't connect to the ftp |
| 05:12:02 | DrBoB | BTW: I bought the Targus CF modem for the same reasons WRT low battery drain ... the Targus has a silly 40 mA draw |
| 05:12:03 | TheMasterMind1 | bah! |
| 05:15:30 | Com[Plex] | TheMasterMind1: have you tried booting into the linux console? |
| 05:15:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:15:41 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 05:15:41 | Com[Plex] | when it crashes, whats happening? |
| 05:15:52 | Com[Plex] | is it just locking? or what? |
| 05:15:55 | TheMasterMind1 | well, it only happens when i go to reboot in the shutdown thing |
| 05:16:02 | TheMasterMind1 | the screen goes weird and it locks up |
| 05:16:11 | Com[Plex] | uh... |
| 05:16:14 | TheMasterMind1 | needless to say, i'm not using that reboot button even again |
| 05:16:14 | Com[Plex] | for how long? |
| 05:16:18 | TheMasterMind1 | for ever |
| 05:16:23 | Com[Plex] | hm.. |
| 05:16:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i had to reset it |
| 05:16:27 | Com[Plex] | have you tried hard resetting? |
| 05:16:32 | TheMasterMind1 | yea its fine now |
| 05:16:35 | TheMasterMind1 | but all my stuff is gone |
| 05:16:38 | TheMasterMind1 | which is annoying |
| 05:16:44 | TheMasterMind1 | and seems the ftp server is off again |
| 05:16:46 | Com[Plex] | well have you tried hitting the reboot since then? |
| 05:16:53 | Com[Plex] | ftp only works through cradle |
| 05:17:02 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't for me |
| 05:17:03 | Com[Plex] | I think? |
| 05:17:06 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 05:17:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not sure why |
| 05:17:24 | TheMasterMind1 | last time i did a hard reset it wasn't work |
| 05:17:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ing |
| 05:17:30 | TheMasterMind1 | so i rebooting then it started working |
| 05:17:33 | TheMasterMind1 | but not this time |
| 05:17:50 | Com[Plex] | is it hung now? |
| 05:18:01 | TheMasterMind1 | no i reset it |
| 05:18:39 | TheMasterMind1 | /? |
| 05:25:17 | TheMasterMind1 | screw it |
| 05:25:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm just going to wait to get OZ on there |
| 05:25:38 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 05:27:51 | DrBoB | gawd, buy.com has the Z going for $338 shipped ... to think I paid $450 for one and that was the best deal I could strike at the time.... |
| 05:35:04 | NeoTron | man, handango are incompetent |
| 05:40:14 | fusion94 | NeoTron: got any new news ? |
| 05:41:53 | NeoTron | regarding? :P |
| 05:42:05 | NeoTron | I'm working on new releases at the moment. |
| 05:47:43 | fusion94 | <NeoTron> man, handango are incompetent |
| 05:47:47 | fusion94 | <fusion94> NeoTron: got any new news ? |
| 05:48:02 | NeoTron | Just didn't seem related |
| 05:48:07 | fusion94 | handango and incopetence are redundant terms aren't they ? |
| 05:48:07 | NeoTron | in either case, old new |
| 05:48:09 | NeoTron | news |
| 05:48:15 | NeoTron | they have \ in their download paths. |
| 05:48:25 | NeoTron | http://download.handango.com/shareware/94749\bustem-demo_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 05:48:28 | NeoTron | like that |
| 05:48:29 | fusion94 | hah |
| 05:50:47 | kolla | wget http://download.handango.com/shareware/94749/bustem-demo_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 05:51:02 | rikkuz | what's wrong with having \ in your path ? |
| 05:51:23 | fusion94 | um...other than it's "illegal" ? |
| 05:51:32 | rikkuz | don't think so |
| 05:51:41 | NeoTron | kolla: Uh, I know. doesn't change the fact that it's broken |
| 05:51:44 | kuro5hin | kewl. I did not know this channel existed. |
| 05:51:45 | fusion94 | i think it is according to the rfc |
| 05:51:48 | rikkuz | "/" is illegal, unless you really meant a directory separator |
| 05:51:50 | fusion94 | but i could be wrong |
| 05:51:51 | NeoTron | rikkuz: / is the only valid path separator in an URI |
| 05:52:00 | NeoTron | s/path/directory/ |
| 05:52:06 | kolla | there's nothing wrong with it, but dont expect all programs to understand that it's actually a path seperator and not part of filename |
| 05:52:19 | rikkuz | any program that thinks differently is broken |
| 05:52:24 | NeoTron | kolla: uh. It IS wrong. it's breaking the standard |
| 05:52:31 | kuro5hin | my ap runs ad-hoc, so far i cannot get my z to get on the nw. |
| 05:52:46 | kolla | NeoTron: so what if I have a file with \ in its name? :) |
| 05:52:50 | NeoTron | do I have to like get the RFC and slap in your face or what? |
| 05:52:51 | rikkuz | NeoTron: but it's not being used as a path separator |
| 05:52:56 | kolla | rikkuz: it is. |
| 05:52:58 | NeoTron | rikkuz: yes it is |
| 05:53:08 | NeoTron | the server handles / and \ equally well, clients to not |
| 05:53:14 | rikkuz | well, in that case, they picked the wrong slash :) |
| 05:53:16 | NeoTron | kolla: it might very well breakt ipkg |
| 05:53:31 | fusion94 | heh...i havent read the RFC in years (not since my apache work) but i'm pretty sure it's "illegal" |
| 05:53:39 | NeoTron | Think is at least MSIE on Windows handles it. Mozilla and netscape on Linux does not, naturally |
| 05:53:40 | kolla | NeoTron: I was being general here, no idea how ipkg handles it :) |
| 05:54:04 | NeoTron | kolla: IPKG at least uses the package _file_name for suspect things |
| 05:54:12 | rikkuz | RFC 2616 doesn't say anything about it being illegal |
| 05:54:14 | NeoTron | which by itself is a broken behavior, I agree |
| 05:54:37 | rikkuz | it says it can be used to quote characters within quoted-string and comment constructs (within headers) |
| 05:54:44 | rikkuz | doesn't say you can't use it in filenames |
| 05:55:00 | kolla | thpe ipkg "system" is very optimistic in its nature :) |
| 05:55:11 | NeoTron | Other characters are excluded because gateways and other transport |
| 05:55:11 | NeoTron | agents are known to sometimes modify such characters, or they are |
| 05:55:11 | NeoTron | used as delimiters. |
| 05:55:11 | NeoTron | unwise = "{" | "}" | "|" | "\" | "^" | "[" | "]" | "`" |
| 05:55:12 | NeoTron | Data corresponding to excluded characters must be escaped in order to |
| 05:55:12 | NeoTron | be properly represented within a URI. |
| 05:55:34 | kolla | there we go :) |
| 05:55:41 | rikkuz | NeoTron: which RFC is that ? |
| 05:55:45 | NeoTron | URI that do not make use of the slash "/" character for separating |
| 05:55:45 | NeoTron | hierarchical components are considered opaque by the generic URI |
| 05:55:45 | NeoTron | parser. |
| 05:55:54 | NeoTron | RFC 2396 URI Generic Syntax August 1998 |
| 05:56:27 | NeoTron | URI that are hierarchical in nature use the slash "/" character for |
| 05:56:28 | NeoTron | separating hierarchical components. For some file systems, a "/" |
| 05:56:28 | NeoTron | character (used to denote the hierarchical structure of a URI) is the |
| 05:56:28 | NeoTron | delimiter used to construct a file name hierarchy, and thus the URI |
| 05:56:28 | NeoTron | path will look similar to a file pathname. This does NOT imply that |
| 05:56:28 | NeoTron | the resource is a file or that the URI maps to an actual filesystem |
| 05:56:30 | NeoTron | pathname. |
| 05:56:35 | kolla | using \ is lame anyhow, when you want to deal with *ix.. it's like putting up abi "WE'RE CLUELESS" poster :) |
| 05:56:38 | NeoTron | so do I need to paste more or do you believe me? |
| 05:56:41 | kolla | a big |
| 05:56:57 | rikkuz | well, handango are indeed stupid then |
| 05:57:10 | rikkuz | though I thought they were stupid to have files with a 293089123\ prefix in the first place |
| 05:57:12 | kolla | it smells windows |
| 05:57:13 | NeoTron | I just sent my third mail on the subject |
| 05:57:17 | rikkuz | couldn't work out what it was supposed to represent |
| 05:57:34 | NeoTron | rikkuz: might be user id, application id or whatever |
| 05:57:46 | rikkuz | yes, I thought it might be a version or something |
| 05:57:49 | NeoTron | that by itself doesn't concern me |
| 05:57:52 | NeoTron | right |
| 05:57:54 | NeoTron | that's possible |
| 05:58:09 | rikkuz | at least they didn't use \0 ;) |
| 05:58:50 | kolla | NeoTron: what annoys me more though is how qpe fails to understand 8bit filenames |
| 05:59:14 | rikkuz | it damn well should |
| 05:59:35 | rikkuz | considering all filenames should be encoded/decoded with QFile::encodeName or whatever it's called |
| 05:59:59 | rikkuz | perhaps minix is b0rked in that respect ? |
| 06:00:06 | NeoTron | does it use utf8 or something? |
| 06:00:13 | kolla | no idea |
| 06:00:22 | rikkuz | doubt it |
| 06:00:26 | kolla | I doubt it too |
| 06:00:45 | rikkuz | QFile::encodeName uses QString::local8Bit() IIRC |
| 06:01:03 | Com[Plex] | anyone here do any compiling on the z? |
| 06:01:10 | rikkuz | Com[Plex]: yes |
| 06:02:25 | rikkuz | brb |
| 06:04:32 | goshawk` | have a pleasant day, everyone |
| 06:14:19 | NeoTron | I never use Qtopia file methods myself |
| 06:15:14 | kleenex | would anyone know which file I need to edit to send the string "PPP" before logging in normally with PPP? |
| 06:16:06 | kleenex | my Z doesn't seem to have any function to add that, so I figure I need to add it manually |
| 06:19:35 | kuro5hin | is there a ppp options file? |
| 06:20:57 | DrBoB | yeah, /etc/ppp/ |
| 06:21:17 | kuro5hin | prolly thre |
| 06:21:28 | kleenex | I am looking there now |
| 06:22:47 | kleenex | I don't see anything in particular |
| 06:27:29 | Com[Plex] | rikkus |
| 06:27:40 | Com[Plex] | where did you get gcc for the z? |
| 06:27:45 | Com[Plex] | zgcc |
| 06:32:10 | DrBoB | look in /etc/ppp/peers |
| 06:33:49 | kuro5hin | im out |
| 06:33:51 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 06:33:56 | kuro5hin | lates |
| 06:34:12 | Com[Plex] | me too |
| 06:34:14 | Com[Plex] | zzz |
| 06:34:20 | fusion94 | is away: naptime |
| 06:34:57 | DrBoB | kleenex: look in /etc/ppp/peers/ and choose the appropriate file for your dialup connection |
| 06:35:13 | kleenex | drbob: checking there now |
| 06:35:38 | DrBoB | you can manually modify that to squirt out the requisite "ppp" at the appropriate moment |
| 06:36:08 | kuro5hin | my z has not done ad-hoc ad-hoc, |
| 06:36:22 | kuro5hin | anybody have a clue |
| 06:38:24 | kleenex | drbob: it doesn't appear to be a script, though |
| 06:38:51 | kuro5hin | kismet sees the two other ad-hoc boxes. |
| 06:39:02 | kuro5hin | the gw is correct |
| 06:39:05 | kleenex | do you know which script uses the file you just pointed out to me? |
| 06:39:22 | kleenex | that might help in figuring out how to manually insert the needed string |
| 06:39:35 | kuro5hin | prolly chat |
| 06:40:03 | kuro5hin | or pon. this is kinda debian isn't it? |
| 06:40:38 | kuro5hin | i never fscked with ppp yet though |
| 06:40:54 | kleenex | well, a chat command is listed in the file drbob referred me to |
| 06:41:05 | kleenex | however, it is not a script |
| 06:41:51 | kuro5hin | there are ublimited ways to do things. |
| 06:41:55 | kuro5hin | choice |
| 06:42:01 | kuro5hin | hehehe |
| 06:42:02 | DrBoB | sorry, got distracted |
| 06:42:15 | kleenex | the chap-secrets file refers to the files you pointed out to me in peers |
| 06:42:30 | kleenex | so, I am thinking something refers to chap-secrets, which in turn looks up the remaining options in peers |
| 06:42:51 | DrBoB | what files are in /etc/ppp/peers/?? |
| 06:42:59 | kleenex | drbob: no apologies necessary. you are doing me a favour. |
| 06:43:53 | kleenex | a file called Panix[bunch of numbers inserted here] |
| 06:44:05 | DrBoB | there should be one file named for your dialup connection |
| 06:44:15 | kleenex | right, and that appears to be the one |
| 06:45:22 | kleenex | and that file is referred to exactly in chap-secrets, in /etc/ppp |
| 06:46:01 | kleenex | also in pap-secrets |
| 06:46:22 | DrBoB | so, if you open that file ...there will be a line: ATZD1231234 CONNECT |
| 06:46:47 | DrBoB | ATDT1231234 |
| 06:47:05 | kleenex | right |
| 06:47:29 | DrBoB | that's the script talking to your modem |
| 06:47:36 | kleenex | right |
| 06:48:30 | DrBoB | so, insert a "ppp" after the CONNECT word |
| 06:48:33 | kleenex | the options for the chat command are nothing special, and only seem to deal with where to direct errors and other output |
| 06:49:15 | kleenex | is it actually sending the word "CONNECT"? |
| 06:49:33 | DrBoB | no, it's expecting the word connect |
| 06:49:58 | DrBoB | it's sending the ATDT1231234 |
| 06:50:20 | DrBoB | it's expectiong the response CONNECT (from the modem) |
| 06:50:29 | kleenex | right |
| 06:50:40 | DrBoB | at theat point, you can then send PPP |
| 06:50:45 | kleenex | what I'd like to do is wait for the word "Service" and then send "PPP" |
| 06:50:57 | kleenex | would that be done just by adding "Service PPP" to the end of the string? |
| 06:51:42 | DrBoB | and it will go out the modem.... does it have to be service? it would be easier to add only one word |
| 06:52:28 | kleenex | well, I need to wait however long it takes (usually two or three seconds) before I can send PPP |
| 06:53:20 | kleenex | how does the chat command know whether it is waiting for the word in the line or sending it? |
| 06:53:39 | kleenex | you said it was waiting for CONNECT but sending the ATDT command |
| 06:53:44 | DrBoB | I think it's a strict order thing |
| 06:53:48 | kleenex | and I am not sure how it goes about parsing the two |
| 06:53:53 | kleenex | gotcha |
| 06:54:06 | kleenex | that makes sense |
| 06:54:18 | kleenex | I think the problem could be solved if I somehow insert a delay in there |
| 06:54:22 | kleenex | without looking for any word |
| 06:54:25 | DrBoB | so you might try ,,,,,ppp |
| 06:54:43 | kleenex | ok, each ',' is what, about a one second delay? |
| 06:55:33 | DrBoB | it's supposed to be...but only if seen by the modem...it might not apply once the connect is made |
| 06:57:08 | kleenex | yeah, that was what I was thinking |
| 06:58:09 | kleenex | I guess I will see if I can do without the delay |
| 07:05:53 | DrBoB | also take a look at the /etc/ppp/ppp-on script (it says user configurations are placed in a file called options.user) |
| 07:08:32 | DrBoB | 6.6 Million people are in prison in the USA.... damn.... what a f*cked up country this is |
| 07:15:15 | scanline | is away: Zzzzz Zzzzzz..... |
| 07:16:04 | kleenex | drbob: I connected three times out of three using the changes you suggested |
| 07:16:22 | kleenex | (didn't see the last line, but I will keep it around in case I need to go back to make a few tweaks |
| 07:16:26 | kleenex | ) |
| 07:16:37 | kleenex | I am greatly appreciative of your help. |
| 07:17:52 | kleenex | the occasional glitch I encountered had to do with the fact the Z thought it was disconnected, even when it wasn't |
| 07:18:15 | kleenex | and made "unmounting" from the software impossible |
| 07:18:30 | kleenex | so, you just have to yank it :P |
| 07:18:40 | kleenex | (or at least, it is all it seems I can do) |
| 07:18:44 | kleenex | thanks again |
| 07:19:09 | DrBoB | cool!! |
| 07:19:15 | DrBoB | glad it worked |
| 07:22:00 | kleenex | yeah. thank you again for being so patient. |
| 07:22:04 | kleenex | :D |
| 07:22:56 | kleenex | too much stuff to do today, so I'm off to bed |
| 07:23:09 | DrBoB | night |
| 07:23:13 | kleenex | have a great day, drbob. |
| 07:23:31 | DrBoB | I'm out too.... nap time |
| 07:37:59 | Onyx4 | heya |
| 07:38:25 | Onyx4 | zsibot: memo |
| 07:38:25 | zsibot | Onyx4: huh? |
| 07:38:36 | Onyx4 | zsibot: find memo |
| 07:38:37 | zsibot | Onyx4: huh? |
| 07:38:44 | Onyx4 | zsibot: help |
| 07:38:55 | Onyx4 | zsibot: find memo |
| 07:38:55 | zsibot | Onyx4: what? |
| 07:39:45 | moot | nice |
| 07:39:47 | moot | DI is back |
| 07:39:49 | Onyx4 | oops |
| 07:40:03 | Onyx4 | zsibot seems not to like me :) |
| 07:40:24 | Onyx4 | the only thing I'm really missing is a "notes" system that I can sync with qtopia desktop |
| 07:40:30 | moot | zsibot: memo |
| 07:40:38 | moot | oh right |
| 07:40:42 | moot | LOL it died? |
| 07:40:44 | moot | :P |
| 07:40:45 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 07:41:04 | Onyx4 | there is only "todo" but I don't want to use that for small notes |
| 07:43:22 | moot | hrm |
| 07:43:26 | moot | what kind of bots are those |
| 07:43:30 | moot | like helper bots :> |
| 07:47:49 | rikkus | let's say you have a 'note' on your Z. You sync to your desktop. You edit the note on your Z and on your desktop, with different edits on each. How do they get merged ? |
| 07:48:02 | moot | erm |
| 07:48:04 | moot | you sync it |
| 07:48:09 | rikkus | riiight |
| 07:48:13 | rikkus | but there are conflicts |
| 07:48:13 | Onyx4 | well there aren't any notes per say |
| 07:48:20 | Onyx4 | they are documents on the Z from what I gather |
| 07:48:24 | rikkus | how are conflicts resolved ? |
| 07:48:33 | rikkus | Onyx4: I'm speaking hypothetically and generally |
| 07:48:35 | moot | Sync -> Sync all... |
| 07:48:40 | moot | its a damn button |
| 07:48:41 | moot | :P |
| 07:48:43 | rikkus | :/ |
| 07:48:50 | rikkus | hits moot with the cluebat |
| 07:48:50 | Onyx4 | in the sync, there is a preference if you want pda or PC to overwrite |
| 07:49:00 | rikkus | Ok, let me explain that in simpler English |
| 07:49:10 | rikkus | I have a 'note' on my Z |
| 07:49:12 | rikkus | it has one line: |
| 07:49:13 | moot | oh ok |
| 07:49:14 | rikkus | "Hello" |
| 07:49:15 | moot | i didnt read that |
| 07:49:16 | moot | lol |
| 07:49:18 | moot | rikkus |
| 07:49:21 | moot | its an option in opt ions |
| 07:49:24 | moot | ovveride |
| 07:49:27 | rikkus | ok |
| 07:49:31 | moot | you set it to desktop overides z |
| 07:49:31 | rikkus | so one of them overrides |
| 07:49:33 | moot | or z overides |
| 07:49:34 | Onyx4 | I know what you mean, you would lose the edits on your Z for the same note if you set preference to PC in qtopia-desktop |
| 07:49:35 | rikkus | that's completely shit :| |
| 07:49:36 | moot | its either or |
| 07:49:50 | rikkus | I did wonder how this magic sync stuff worked |
| 07:49:52 | moot | Setting: Sync |
| 07:49:57 | rikkus | looks like the answer is: It doesn't. |
| 07:50:15 | moot | Duplicate Entries, Desktop Overrides PDA, PDA Overrides PC |
| 07:50:17 | moot | those options |
| 07:50:20 | rikkus | I see |
| 07:50:37 | rikkus | so no 'show conflicts and allow me to pick which to keep' then |
| 07:50:58 | rikkus | I had wondered what joe user would think when presented with something akin to a graphical diff |
| 07:51:00 | moot | i dont believe so |
| 07:51:17 | Onyx4 | it's only a matter of developing it |
| 07:51:21 | Onyx4 | the possibilites are all there |
| 07:51:26 | rikkus | well, developing it isn't hard |
| 07:51:32 | Onyx4 | the zaurus software is expanding quickly |
| 07:51:34 | rikkus | making it user-friendly seems nigh on impossible |
| 07:51:37 | moot | yeah heh |
| 07:51:43 | moot | i got my d z near when it was released |
| 07:51:54 | rikkus | all you need is a diff port and a simple UI |
| 07:51:59 | moot | and there was nothing around when killifez was out |
| 07:52:01 | moot | now its like loaded |
| 07:52:18 | rikkus | but I don't think users would know how to handle a graphical diff utility, or rather I wouldn't know how to make it so they could handle it |
| 07:52:31 | rikkus | I know, I put a couple of ports on killefiz :P |
| 07:54:30 | moot | well |
| 07:54:38 | moot | would you want it to display which to keep? |
| 07:54:41 | moot | or compare them or something |
| 07:54:52 | moot | like ask the user which to keep telling that they are diff? |
| 07:54:56 | rikkus | have you seen any of the existing graphical diff utilities ? |
| 07:55:01 | moot | nope |
| 07:55:21 | rikkus | finds a screenshot of one |
| 07:56:23 | rikkus | http://images.freshmeat.net/screenshots/3864.jpg |
| 07:56:46 | rikkus | kdiff looks like that but a bit easier to use |
| 07:58:28 | moot | ahhh |
| 07:58:33 | moot | wow that looks nice ;) |
| 08:02:37 | Hironimo | can i ask some questions about the 5500G here? |
| 08:02:43 | rikkus_ | Hironimo: yes |
| 08:03:12 | Hironimo | thanx - cause I am thining of buying one. |
| 08:03:35 | Hironimo | whats the difference between models 5500, 5500 D and 5500 G? |
| 08:04:34 | Hironimo | Does internet connectivity work with a GPRS cellphone (Siemens S45) and/or with a coax 10mbit lan, having a nat-router? |
| 08:04:45 | rikkus_ | heh, I didn't know there were different models of the 5500 |
| 08:05:29 | Hironimo | apparantly there are - i only have assumtions on them - D may be developer, G meay be general publich. |
| 08:05:30 | rikkus_ | you can get a network card which fits into the CF slot, but I would guess it doesn't do coax |
| 08:05:43 | rikkus_ | you can also get wifi network cards for the CF slot |
| 08:05:55 | rikkus_ | I don't know about using a mobile phone |
| 08:06:18 | Hironimo | wifi is wireles lan? well i dont have wireless lan |
| 08:06:35 | rikkus_ | yes, wifi is wireless |
| 08:06:47 | kolla | why wifi? |
| 08:06:57 | kolla | what's the fi part? :) |
| 08:07:01 | rikkus_ | dunno |
| 08:07:07 | rikkus_ | I suppose it just sounded good |
| 08:07:07 | kolla | I call it wlan |
| 08:07:26 | rikkus_ | well, if it was the same fi as hi-fi, it would mean 'fidelity' |
| 08:07:30 | rikkus_ | but that doesn't really work :) |
| 08:07:44 | Hironimo | can the cf slot also handle media from a digital camera (and what about micro-drive?) reading and writing data/images on it? |
| 08:07:56 | rikkus_ | yes |
| 08:08:05 | rikkus_ | you can use CF and SD cards |
| 08:08:13 | kolla | so it is "oai-fai" or "oi-fi" of "oai-fi" or "oi-fai"? :) |
| 08:08:17 | Hironimo | ok... |
| 08:08:18 | rikkus_ | and you can also use microdrives, but I don't know how you plug them in |
| 08:08:43 | rikkus_ | the SD slot doesn't do the actual 'secure' features |
| 08:08:47 | Hironimo | how about compiling own or existing unix/linux applications? |
| 08:09:01 | rikkus_ | yes |
| 08:09:10 | rikkus_ | many apps work without modification |
| 08:09:19 | rikkus_ | some need UI tweaks to make them useful |
| 08:09:24 | Hironimo | can i run user based daemons like inetd or httpd |
| 08:09:25 | Hironimo | ? |
| 08:09:28 | rikkus_ | yes |
| 08:09:30 | rikkus_ | apache works |
| 08:09:33 | Hironimo | great! |
| 08:09:47 | Hironimo | its getting better and better :) |
| 08:09:53 | rikkus_ | though I wouldn't run your big corporate website off it ;) |
| 08:09:59 | Hironimo | ofcourse |
| 08:10:00 | Hironimo | hehe |
| 08:10:07 | Hironimo | private use for connecivity |
| 08:10:11 | rikkus_ | a static site should be nice and fast though |
| 08:10:38 | rikkus_ | I ssh to my Zaurus and just treat it like any other Linux box |
| 08:10:59 | Hironimo | that was just another question i had - answered :) |
| 08:11:31 | Hironimo | furthermore, how about syncronisation? i heared only outlook is supported and is slow - are they working on that? |
| 08:12:16 | rikkus_ | you can also sync with Qtopia Desktop, which gives you reasonable functionality, if you don't have or want to use Outlook |
| 08:12:48 | Hironimo | so i can syncronize from a unix system? also, i heared voice recording is possible with headset - true? |
| 08:13:16 | rikkus_ | well, you're supposed to be able to sync with a UNIX box, but I haven't managed to get Qtopia Desktop to sync... though I am using ethernet-over-usb |
| 08:13:24 | rikkus_ | yes, voice recording works fine |
| 08:13:43 | rikkus_ | I just use my headphone's left earpiece to record voice |
| 08:13:54 | Hironimo | what about battery life? working with display, and how much without disply, for instance internet connectivity or playing mpe? |
| 08:13:59 | Hironimo | *mp3 |
| 08:14:20 | Hironimo | can i exchange accu without loosing memory? |
| 08:14:20 | rikkus_ | with the backlight on, you'll be lucky to get 2 hours |
| 08:14:44 | rikkus_ | with it off, it seems to live for about 8 hours |
| 08:14:51 | rikkus_ | playing music, a bit shorter |
| 08:14:52 | Hironimo | wew, thats not much |
| 08:15:09 | rikkus_ | I've played music on it for about 5 hours on one battery |
| 08:15:24 | rikkus_ | while using it for other stuff too, with the backlight on the lowest setting |
| 08:15:36 | rikkus_ | you don't need much light during the daytime |
| 08:15:43 | rikkus_ | er, it's a sidelight, not a backlight :} |
| 08:15:50 | rikkus_ | exchange accu ? |
| 08:16:06 | Hironimo | well - i thought i read somewhere it's exchangable |
| 08:16:16 | rikkus_ | what is 'accu' ? |
| 08:16:24 | Hironimo | rechargable battery |
| 08:16:28 | rikkus_ | oh yes |
| 08:16:37 | rikkus_ | I have 2 and it's no problem to swap them |
| 08:17:50 | rikkus_ | anyway, if you're using the Z itself for more than 2 hours a day, you probably have a problem ;) |
| 08:18:22 | rikkus_ | I have used it for much longer than that, but that's with the light off, playing music |
| 08:19:02 | Hironimo | ok. and - running out of questions, which i am thankful for you answering them - what is your overall impression of it, also compared to other pda's? (now thinking of easy of use too, how convenient to type, ive hread character-detection (or howerer its called isnt that good) - ive tried it in a store for a bit, and i was a bit clumsy on it=. |
| 08:19:31 | rikkus_ | I like it, but I'm a bit disappointed with the software and the battery life. |
| 08:19:46 | rikkus_ | the software problems are mainly minor though |
| 08:19:46 | Hironimo | why with software? |
| 08:19:57 | rikkus_ | just stuff like the package manager being a bit crap |
| 08:20:13 | Hironimo | but usable? |
| 08:20:15 | rikkus_ | the fact that Qtopia Desktop doesn't work on my Linux box using ethernet-over-usb |
| 08:20:18 | rikkus_ | oh yes |
| 08:20:38 | rikkus_ | I wouldn't buy the thing for myself though |
| 08:20:47 | rikkus_ | but that's because I couldn't justify the cost to myself :) |
| 08:20:50 | Hironimo | oh - you didnt |
| 08:20:50 | Hironimo | ? |
| 08:20:52 | rikkus_ | I just have one for development |
| 08:20:59 | Hironimo | i see |
| 08:21:17 | rikkus_ | it does have some features I find quite useful though |
| 08:21:19 | Hironimo | do you have comparison to other pda's? |
| 08:21:29 | rikkus_ | like the app that lets you store encrypted notes |
| 08:21:49 | rikkus_ | which is handy for remembering friends' house alarm numbers and... uh, maybe something else :} |
| 08:21:57 | rikkus_ | I haven't used any other PDAs |
| 08:22:16 | Hironimo | how fast can you type on itß |
| 08:22:24 | rikkus_ | the handwriting detection isn't really usable IMO. I always use the real keyboard when I can |
| 08:22:46 | rikkus_ | I can type fast enough for everything I want to do on it as a normal user |
| 08:23:02 | rikkus_ | if I want to do more complicated stuff, I ssh in |
| 08:23:53 | Hironimo | how do you have it connected to the net? |
| 08:24:15 | rikkus_ | ethernet-over-usb to my Linux box, then I set up nat on my Linux box |
| 08:24:28 | rikkus_ | so it just uses my Linux box as a gateway |
| 08:24:41 | rikkus_ | I should set up bridging really, but I can't be bothered to figure out how |
| 08:25:10 | Hironimo | ethernet-over-usb is built in or is it manual-configuration? |
| 08:25:36 | rikkus_ | a bit of both |
| 08:25:45 | rikkus_ | if you connect it to Windows, I think it's supposed to 'just work' |
| 08:26:07 | rikkus_ | on Linux, you need to patch your kernel to get the 'usbdnet' module and then add a script to your /etc/hotplug directory |
| 08:26:12 | rikkus_ | there are instructions |
| 08:26:24 | rikkus_ | which didn't work for me, so I have to run the script manually when I plug the Z in |
| 08:26:25 | Hironimo | aha, that doesnt seem to be that complicated |
| 08:26:48 | Hironimo | ive done kernel-compilations and such before |
| 08:27:10 | Hironimo | (i guess you can't recompile the Zaurus kernel, though :)) |
| 08:27:33 | rikkus_ | no :) |
| 08:27:57 | rikkus_ | here's my script I run when I plug the Z in: |
| 08:28:07 | rikkus_ | http://rikkus.info/tmp/set_up_z_network |
| 08:28:54 | rikkus_ | the usb0 network device just appears when you plug it in (that's the usbdnet stuff) |
| 08:29:05 | rikkus_ | so that script just configures the interface and then sets up iptables to do nat |
| 08:29:07 | scanline | is back (gone 01:13:52) |
| 08:29:22 | Hironimo | any updates you can do on the kernel (rewriting flash-rom?) |
| 08:29:49 | Hironimo | i see - well i've got my iptables to nat at startup anyway. |
| 08:29:59 | rikkus_ | you can either stick with Sharp's stuff, which means waiting for their updates, or use OpenZaurus, which means waiting for their updates |
| 08:30:25 | Hironimo | which do you recommend? |
| 08:30:37 | rikkus_ | neither really, they both have good and bad points |
| 08:30:57 | rikkus_ | both software installers are crap :) |
| 08:31:26 | rikkus_ | OpenZaurus is a bit more flexible |
| 08:32:02 | rikkus_ | though you lose Java support |
| 08:33:59 | Hironimo | uh... well at work i mainly use java. |
| 08:34:16 | Hironimo | dunno if i would use it on Z though |
| 08:34:56 | Hironimo | (well, then two answers are left (cellphone and coax network) - i'll ask it to Sharp. you know where to get best support there? |
| 08:35:15 | rikkus_ | sorry, no idea |
| 08:35:23 | rikkus_ | other people on this channel may know about cellphones |
| 08:35:36 | rikkus_ | as for coax networking... I don't know how you could work around that |
| 08:36:12 | rikkus_ | personally, I'd buy a cheap baseT PCI card and stick it in your PC |
| 08:36:23 | rikkus_ | and connect the Z to it with a crossover cable |
| 08:36:40 | rikkus_ | or just use ethernet-over-usb |
| 08:36:53 | rikkus_ | moot: http://rikkus.info/tmp/snapshot1.png <- kompare showing the diff between 2 files |
| 08:38:10 | rikkus_ | moot: the basic idea is that you click 'apply difference' until you've had enough fun |
| 08:39:19 | Hironimo | ok, thank you very muc |
| 08:39:27 | Hironimo | h |
| 08:42:52 | moot | ah |
| 08:42:59 | Hironimo | hm? |
| 08:53:56 | mark | rikkus_: jeode is easily transferable to OZ |
| 08:54:39 | rikkus_ | mark: I see. Any instructions ? |
| 08:57:10 | scanline | wonders why someone that likes java a lot doesn't port kaffe to Qt |
| 08:57:45 | mark | rikkus_: i doubt it, although I think some ipks have been made up |
| 09:07:42 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 09:07:59 | rikkus_ | Cloudchaser: mornin |
| 09:09:06 | rikkus_ | Cloudchaser: if it's 6am for you, where are you ? |
| 09:09:27 | Cloudchaser | connecticut |
| 09:09:30 | rikkus_ | ah |
| 09:09:45 | rikkus_ | doesn't know where half the US states are :) |
| 09:09:56 | Cloudchaser | east coast usa next to new york |
| 09:09:59 | rikkus_ | ok, conneticut mentally filed as 'east coast' |
| 09:10:12 | prpplague | rikkus_: thats ok, most ppl from the US don't know there is anything outside the US |
| 09:10:46 | rikkus_ | that's not true |
| 09:10:51 | rikkus_ | they know about canada and mexico |
| 09:10:55 | moot | x |
| 09:11:02 | rikkus_ | though half of them think alaska is in canada |
| 09:11:09 | Cloudchaser | ah ok |
| 09:11:25 | prpplague | rikkus_: lol |
| 09:11:33 | Cloudchaser | just come right out and call us stupid why don't you |
| 09:11:40 | rikkus_ | murkins are stoopid |
| 09:12:58 | DaWorm | lol |
| 09:13:03 | DaWorm | well |
| 09:13:08 | DaWorm | i would rather not say |
| 09:13:12 | DaWorm | anything |
| 09:13:27 | DaWorm | since i am not american myself but lived there for a while |
| 09:13:50 | rikkus_ | brb, phone |
| 09:17:02 | rikkus_ | uh-oh, granny's coming round for coffee |
| 09:17:26 | moot | who is granny |
| 09:17:28 | rikkus_ | party over |
| 09:17:30 | rikkus_ | er |
| 09:17:34 | rikkus_ | my grandmother |
| 09:17:36 | moot | ahh ok |
| 09:17:42 | moot | i thought you were referring to someone here |
| 09:17:53 | rikkus_ | asks the girls to remove the horse from the living room |
| 09:39:04 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin darienm and hunger |
| 09:40:17 | moot | AOL's new slogan: "You're so easy to use it's no wonder we're #1!" |
| 09:40:28 | moot | giggles |
| 09:40:33 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 09:42:54 | Hironimo | rikkus_: remove the horse from the living room? that sounds curious .) |
| 09:43:08 | Hironimo | how whas it meant? |
| 09:43:15 | Hironimo | -h |
| 09:47:13 | Cloudchaser | http://www.rit.edu/%7Ejpsdss/couch/ |
| 09:47:41 | Cloudchaser | hehe that's too funny |
| 09:48:21 | Hironimo | eww |
| 09:48:36 | Hironimo | how on earth to get so many pads! |
| 09:49:04 | Cloudchaser | maybe its a mousepad company |
| 09:49:43 | DaWorm | thats funny |
| 09:49:44 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:49:57 | DaWorm | oh well |
| 09:50:01 | DaWorm | adios people |
| 09:50:04 | DaWorm | its past 7pm already |
| 09:50:15 | Cloudchaser | bye |
| 09:52:41 | erikd | i really don't think i should've had those frappacinos last night |
| 09:52:53 | erikd | i'm never going to get to sleep |
| 09:53:34 | scanline | IRC at night, full of insomniacs and people from other time zones :) |
| 09:53:40 | scanline | can't sleep either |
| 09:53:46 | erikd | yeah, that's me |
| 09:54:02 | erikd | i've been watching family guy and doing random z stuff all night :) |
| 09:54:29 | scanline | was reading online comics (dilbert and UF) and thinks he might do some random coding too... |
| 09:54:49 | Hironimo | hey.. thinking of irc and such - is irc available on Zaurus? |
| 09:54:55 | erikd | yeah |
| 09:54:59 | Hironimo | maybe BitchX? |
| 09:54:59 | scanline | maybe I should watch Evangelion episodes and try to work on my textbox widget |
| 09:55:16 | scanline | Hironimo: I dunno if anyone has compiled bitchx for the Z yet, but there's zic and xchat |
| 09:55:18 | erikd | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=41 |
| 09:55:22 | erikd | irc app for Z |
| 09:55:29 | Hironimo | xchat, even! wow |
| 09:55:41 | scanline | Unfortunately the xchat isn't for Qtopia.. only X and picogui |
| 09:56:01 | Hironimo | which means? |
| 09:56:12 | erikd | which means you can't use it on a "standard" z |
| 09:56:19 | scanline | Hironimo: if you're not into replacing your Z's GUI you can't use xchat yet |
| 09:56:56 | Hironimo | aha. well, i guess i rather not use that, and i guess it might be possible to use BitchX, which I might prefer |
| 09:56:57 | darienm | Morning, erikd |
| 09:57:00 | erikd | i was reading some site today and it said you had to have a CF card to do a rom update, is that still true? |
| 09:57:03 | erikd | heya darien |
| 09:57:07 | erikd | get my email? |
| 09:57:09 | scanline | erikd: yes |
| 09:57:18 | erikd | scanline: bleh =/ |
| 09:57:23 | darienm | is reading email |
| 09:57:26 | erikd | ok, cool |
| 09:57:34 | darienm | whee! thanks |
| 09:57:37 | erikd | :) |
| 09:57:42 | Cloudchaser | well not for sharp room you don't |
| 09:57:44 | darienm | erikd, I've used ZIC -- it works fine |
| 09:57:44 | erikd | i forgot one in that email |
| 09:57:47 | scanline | erikd: might be possible to update it using one of the /dev/mtdsomething devices, but I haven't heard of that being done yet |
| 09:58:00 | darienm | erikd, give me the update, I'll paste it in |
| 09:58:20 | Hironimo | which card do you use for updating the rom? |
| 09:58:21 | darienm | erikd, you do NOT need a CF card to do a ROM update, if you have WINDOWS and use the Sharp ROMS. |
| 09:58:30 | darienm | erikd, you still DO need a CF card to use OpenZaurus. |
| 09:58:38 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 09:58:43 | erikd | i don't have windows =/ |
| 09:58:54 | Hironimo | just a normal memory card? |
| 09:59:01 | erikd | maybe i should install that on my extra partition |
| 09:59:08 | darienm | erikd, I'll flash your Z when I get it to the newest ROM :) |
| 09:59:14 | Hironimo | (like the 128mb one i use for my digicam) |
| 09:59:16 | erikd | darien: cool, thanks :) |
| 09:59:17 | darienm | erikd, you want OZ or Sharp? |
| 09:59:19 | scanline | Hironimo: CF card, SD/MMC card can't update the ROM |
| 09:59:25 | erikd | which do you like more? |
| 09:59:30 | darienm | Sharp = stable, OZ = cool |
| 09:59:35 | erikd | OZ! |
| 09:59:42 | erikd | is all about cool |
| 09:59:48 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:59:49 | darienm | Roger that |
| 09:59:50 | Hironimo | whats the difference in using? |
| 09:59:59 | darienm | In using, not much. |
| 10:00:00 | scanline | wonders if he should do random PicoGUI hacking tonight or random OZ hacking |
| 10:00:14 | erikd | i think i'll be getting a CF card for my birthday, so it shouldn't be too bad |
| 10:00:27 | kybu | btw |
| 10:00:37 | kybu | if i had CF in slot, does Z start up slower? |
| 10:00:55 | erikd | http://zaurus.erikd.org/ <-- i have content now! |
| 10:01:01 | erikd | not much, but some :) |
| 10:01:05 | darienm | kybu: not necessarily, unless you explicitly tell it to fsck each reboot |
| 10:01:25 | kybu | darienm hm i mean when i turn it on |
| 10:01:35 | darienm | kybu: no |
| 10:01:42 | kybu | hmmm cause my does hmm |
| 10:01:50 | erikd | speaking of speed, gentoo linux is insanely fast |
| 10:02:00 | darienm | erikd, I wasn't going to release the beta actually. |
| 10:02:08 | erikd | just a random quote i had to add |
| 10:02:09 | erikd | ah |
| 10:02:10 | erikd | ok |
| 10:02:12 | darienm | erikd, not until we make a few more changes |
| 10:02:24 | kybu | i have about 2s pause when turn it on |
| 10:02:26 | darienm | erikd, which by that time, it will be version 1. |
| 10:02:34 | erikd | right |
| 10:02:41 | erikd | fixed :) |
| 10:02:49 | scanline | ponders the mathematical underpinnings of the l33tness of erikd graph |
| 10:03:03 | erikd | it's a -pain- =/ |
| 10:03:10 | darienm | erikd, privately I'm asking a few people to try it and provide feedback on usability. |
| 10:03:18 | erikd | ah, cool |
| 10:03:25 | darienm | scanline: the math ROXORZ !!! |
| 10:03:29 | erikd | hehe |
| 10:03:34 | scanline | w00tski |
| 10:03:43 | darienm | scanline: I came up with the math myself :) |
| 10:03:47 | erikd | scanline: i'm trying to make it generic enough that it's not application specific |
| 10:04:00 | scanline | the graph widget? |
| 10:04:02 | erikd | darien: i had to modify it a -little- bit :) |
| 10:04:06 | erikd | scanline: yeah |
| 10:04:10 | scanline | nods |
| 10:04:11 | imm | hi |
| 10:04:20 | scanline | hi imm |
| 10:04:52 | scanline | thinks he'll find a movie, anime, or series to watch and see if he can code some while he's at it |
| 10:05:07 | erikd | i was looking at the graph in qplot and it's pretty much dependant on the application |
| 10:08:17 | erikd | so i wanted to make it so other people wouldn't have to go through what we did :) |
| 10:08:31 | erikd | (no, it didn't take me that long to type that :) ) |
| 10:08:52 | scanline | hmm.. I could watch Office Space |
| 10:08:54 | scanline | that's a good movie |
| 10:09:09 | scanline | or some more of the Hitchhiker's Guide TV series |
| 10:09:24 | erikd | office space!@#$ |
| 10:09:40 | scanline | looks at his server logs and boggles at the amount of stuff is friend Chris has been downloading from him |
| 10:10:07 | erikd | ugh, that reminds me of one guy i host |
| 10:10:29 | erikd | he uploads all this warez and stuff to his site and gives out the info to people to download from |
| 10:10:32 | erikd | 100's of MBs |
| 10:10:43 | erikd | and since i'm on cable that lags me to hell |
| 10:10:45 | ibz | sandisk have a "multilingual" secure digital card, goes for the same price as the normal one. anyone know what the differences are? |
| 10:10:46 | scanline | this is in the tens of gigabytes maybe |
| 10:10:59 | scanline | I dunno, I'd have to add everything up |
| 10:10:59 | erikd | ack |
| 10:11:52 | scanline | several movies, some anime episodes... |
| 10:12:04 | scanline | but he and I are both on fast university connections |
| 10:12:11 | erikd | oh, university |
| 10:12:18 | erikd | bleh, GB's is nothing on that :) |
| 10:12:22 | scanline | yup |
| 10:12:31 | scanline | loves being able to download at MB's per second |
| 10:12:42 | erikd | when someone downloads from me my ping goes to around 900ms to everywhere =/ |
| 10:12:48 | erikd | kinda hard to play CS on that =) |
| 10:12:54 | scanline | yick |
| 10:13:02 | erikd | so i just kill apache while i play |
| 10:13:12 | erikd | (if people start downloading) |
| 10:13:15 | scanline | overwhelms himself with the desire to be unindecisive and just puts on office space |
| 10:13:32 | erikd | you can't go wrong with that |
| 10:13:56 | scanline | has a gigabit connection to the machine with the movies :) |
| 10:14:17 | erikd | oooh |
| 10:14:35 | kybu | has 5kb dialup connection, so fucking what? |
| 10:15:51 | scanline | kybu: get a LAN, just so you can tell people you're on 100baseT :) |
| 10:16:10 | kybu | :> |
| 10:16:26 | erikd | yes! |
| 10:17:20 | scanline | grr... mplayer is using xvid for playback instead of ffmpeg, and the quality is crap |
| 10:17:52 | erikd | !@#$ |
| 10:17:54 | erikd | i love xvid |
| 10:18:14 | scanline | xvid is fine for encoding, but from what i've seen the decode quality is pretty bad |
| 10:18:21 | scanline | shrugs |
| 10:18:25 | scanline | could just be mplayer's fault |
| 10:28:06 | scanline | hmm.. mplayer and aviplay are both using xvid, neither look correct, but they are both bad in different ways |
| 10:28:27 | scanline | aviplay is making little flashes of white around anything that moves, mplayer just looks really blocky |
| 10:28:49 | erikd | xvid changed their libraries recently so they don't compile with mplayer anymore =/ |
| 10:28:57 | erikd | so i can't use xvid with mplayer |
| 10:29:21 | scanline | eh? I compiled mplayer with xvid just the other day to use it for encoding some DVDs... must that have been an old version of xvid? |
| 10:29:40 | erikd | did you have a libcore.a? |
| 10:30:14 | scanline | yes |
| 10:30:17 | scanline | I think so |
| 10:30:18 | scanline | checks |
| 10:30:30 | scanline | bah, I already deleted my build directory |
| 10:31:05 | erikd | BAH |
| 10:31:17 | erikd | needs that version of xvid if you have it |
| 10:31:33 | scanline | I just downloaded it last week... |
| 10:31:36 | erikd | i wanted to rip RE but i couldn't |
| 10:31:38 | erikd | eh? |
| 10:31:46 | scanline | I forget where, but it wasn't hidden or anything |
| 10:32:06 | erikd | i got a source tarball from xvid.org from around april and it only gave me a dynamic lib called libxvidcore.so |
| 10:33:28 | darienm | erikd: By the way, happy anniversary! |
| 10:33:44 | erikd | darien: 1 month? :) |
| 10:33:45 | darienm | erikd: Team Geek is one month old. |
| 10:33:48 | erikd | w00t! |
| 10:33:57 | scanline | team geek? |
| 10:34:05 | scanline | you people have weird names for your children ;) |
| 10:34:06 | darienm | scanline: http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/ |
| 10:34:11 | erikd | haha |
| 10:34:19 | erikd | scanline: you're great =) |
| 10:34:24 | darienm | erikd: think we can crank out one app a month? |
| 10:34:34 | erikd | darien: not with school |
| 10:34:38 | darienm | hehe |
| 10:34:42 | scanline | :) |
| 10:34:43 | darienm | small apps |
| 10:34:52 | erikd | well, if it doesn't involve that damn graph thing again it's possible ;) |
| 10:34:57 | scanline | port xchat to Qt! |
| 10:34:57 | darienm | not monsters like StatGrapher |
| 10:35:21 | scanline | or snes9x... |
| 10:35:23 | darienm | We don't port -- we create. |
| 10:35:37 | erikd | sometime soon i still need to make a halfd protocol parser for hlbot |
| 10:35:38 | scanline | ok.. so create a file that can be compiled along with xchat to make an IRC client :) |
| 10:35:47 | darienm | Leave the porting to those that are less initiated and creative. |
| 10:35:54 | erikd | hehe |
| 10:35:57 | scanline | haha.. so create a game |
| 10:36:01 | darienm | yes yes -- server monitor !! |
| 10:36:09 | darienm | games, pfffth. |
| 10:36:14 | erikd | bah |
| 10:36:14 | darienm | games belong on desktops. |
| 10:36:25 | scanline | only when desktops belong in classes |
| 10:36:31 | erikd | was going to surprise darien with ZHalfdClient |
| 10:36:32 | erikd | ;) |
| 10:36:54 | darienm | erikd: wow, that would actually not be that hard in QT now would it. |
| 10:37:21 | erikd | nope |
| 10:37:33 | erikd | i just need to make that halfd protocol parser class |
| 10:37:35 | darienm | just one of those table widgets that gets populated every 15 seconds or so and has few simple commands (kick, ban, say) |
| 10:37:41 | erikd | and then i could use it in hlbot, too |
| 10:37:49 | darienm | wowza |
| 10:38:18 | darienm | erikd: maelstrom will help with the parsing... |
| 10:38:29 | darienm | erikd: if there's questions.. of course the spec is published |
| 10:38:30 | erikd | and now that i've had more experience with c/c++ i realize that the rewrite of hlbot is crap, too :) |
| 10:38:37 | darienm | erikd: hahahah |
| 10:38:46 | darienm | erikd: beta 4 |
| 10:38:51 | erikd | hehe, yeah |
| 10:38:54 | erikd | another rewrite :) |
| 10:39:03 | darienm | erikd: it is actually getting a LOT of use. |
| 10:39:11 | erikd | yeah, i saw |
| 10:39:16 | erikd | there's quite a few people in there |
| 10:39:35 | erikd | i was talking to someone in there today that said he loves it :) |
| 10:39:36 | darienm | erikd: if I ran one for CCSC it would have 25 in at all times. |
| 10:39:47 | erikd | sweet |
| 10:40:09 | erikd | takes a break from irc'ing for a sec to finish sending the math email |
| 10:42:59 | endr_ | anyone else in the zaurus challenge? I submitted my beta on time but haven't heard anything back...hope that's OK... |
| 10:43:24 | darienm | endr_: They said (on Friday) that they had roughly3 days of betas to go thru. |
| 10:43:58 | darienm | endr_: So... you should definitely hear back by today or tomorrow. Did you at least get an email that confirmed they received it. There were a few problems (at least that I'm aware of) receiving betas in email attachments, etc. |
| 10:44:05 | endr_ | darienm: cool, thanks |
| 10:44:17 | endr_ | darienm: no, I actually didn't get an email confirm...just a reminder two days before |
| 10:44:24 | darienm | endr_: that's not a good sign. |
| 10:44:34 | endr_ | darienm: maybe I should resend... |
| 10:44:40 | endr_ | is worried |
| 10:44:54 | scanline | endr_: what did you write? |
| 10:44:55 | darienm | endr_: do this: (1) Resend immediately and (2) lurk here looking for benmeyer or Sniper |
| 10:45:14 | erikd | darien: check your email |
| 10:45:21 | endr_ | scanline: silly little weather applet (a la gweather) |
| 10:45:22 | darienm | endr_: Mention in your letter that you sent on-time and had not received a confirmation so you are resending |
| 10:45:25 | endr_ | dariemn: thx, good idea |
| 10:45:50 | endr_ | rushes to open email client |
| 10:46:16 | scanline | sees the day star start to come up |
| 10:46:35 | scanline | wonders if anyone wants to watch a sunrise on his webcam =) |
| 10:48:00 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org/cam/ <-- you can only see a streetlight so far, but it will get brighter |
| 10:48:37 | erikd | uh oh, galeon tells me there's a problem with your certificate |
| 10:48:44 | erikd | can i trust you? |
| 10:48:48 | erikd | :) |
| 10:48:52 | scanline | yeah, I made the certificate myself :) |
| 10:49:00 | erikd | hmm |
| 10:49:04 | scanline | not going to shell out $400 just to be a little lower on my ISP's radar |
| 10:49:08 | erikd | denies the certificate |
| 10:49:08 | erikd | ;) |
| 10:49:28 | imm | darienm: i sent it 3 times and get no responece :( |
| 10:49:54 | erikd | scanline: what do you use for your webcam? |
| 10:50:00 | darienm | imm: sending to contest@zaurus.com? |
| 10:50:14 | scanline | erikd: the camera itself is a super-cheapo-crappy $20 webcam that I should replace, the software is camserv |
| 10:50:21 | imm | darienm: yep |
| 10:50:25 | erikd | hah, that's awesome. you can see cars driving by in real time |
| 10:50:29 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 9 hours, 56 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: very [Sun Aug 25 01:53:50 2002] |
| 10:50:29 | darienm | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 10:50:30 | scanline | erikd: hey, you just saw a truck drive by :) |
| 10:50:32 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: does it flash? [Fri Aug 23 20:32:10 2002] |
| 10:50:32 | darienm | ibot seen sniper |
| 10:50:38 | erikd | ahh, that's what it was |
| 10:50:51 | erikd | is camserv a linux app? |
| 10:50:59 | scanline | the cam might be pointed a little high.. the top of the building next to mine is a little below that streetlight in the picture |
| 10:51:02 | scanline | yes, linux |
| 10:51:08 | imm | darienm: did they work over the weekend ? |
| 10:51:16 | darienm | imm: how the hell do I know? |
| 10:51:20 | scanline | erikd: it reads video4linux streams, applies filters, and sends via server-push jpeg |
| 10:51:37 | scanline | erikd: you can just barely see the outline of the building now |
| 10:51:40 | erikd | does it require a lot of bandwidth? |
| 10:51:53 | imm | darienm: you said the have 3days left and would be done on monday so ... |
| 10:51:56 | erikd | you know approximate usages? |
| 10:51:59 | scanline | right now it's using about 30kB/s per stream |
| 10:52:04 | erikd | gah |
| 10:52:08 | darienm | imm: I'm paraphrasing from chatter on this channel |
| 10:52:09 | erikd | i can't handle that :) |
| 10:52:18 | scanline | well apparently you can :) |
| 10:52:25 | erikd | err, not uploading |
| 10:52:27 | | mark: excuse me? |
| 10:52:27 | mark | ibot: ethernet-over-usb |
| 10:52:28 | darienm | erikd: I've just updated about 6 pages on Team Geek |
| 10:52:30 | erikd | i meant to set up for me |
| 10:52:39 | erikd | darien: oooh. *looks* |
| 10:52:40 | mark | i |
| 10:52:40 | darienm | erikd: mostly administravia |
| 10:52:50 | scanline | erikd: oh.. it includes a proxy so you can offload the distribution to someone else, and of course if you don't have the bandwidth it just means lower frame rate |
| 10:53:01 | imm | any hylafax pros here ? |
| 10:53:06 | darienm | scanline: what's the format of the stream? |
| 10:53:13 | scanline | darienm: server-push jpeg |
| 10:53:22 | darienm | why https? |
| 10:53:23 | erikd | sooo... who wants to host an "erikd's ubercoolrealtimewebcam" proxy? |
| 10:53:30 | erikd | ;) |
| 10:53:37 | darienm | erikd: what's it take? |
| 10:53:39 | darienm | erikd: i have bandwidth |
| 10:53:47 | erikd | he said 30kb/s per stream |
| 10:53:48 | scanline | darienm: because I'm paranoid that the IT people here will get mad if I run an http server with lots of DVD rips |
| 10:53:56 | erikd | i don't even know if my cam works in linux yet |
| 10:54:03 | erikd | looks |
| 10:54:22 | scanline | I don't know how to get my driver to adjust the exposure on this cam, so during normal lighting conditions everything is way too bright |
| 10:54:30 | scanline | it uses the ibmcam driver, which isn't very good |
| 10:54:42 | scanline | I should get an ov511 or cpia camera |
| 10:54:57 | erikd | anyone know how well intel cams are supported? |
| 10:55:26 | erikd | i have an... uhm... intel quikcam or something like that. might be easycam |
| 10:55:28 | scanline | dunno.. depends on the chipset? |
| 10:55:58 | erikd | finds |
| 10:56:20 | imm | erikd: i can recomand philips cams |
| 10:56:20 | erikd | oh, and i have antialiasing running in kde now. it's niiiice (and fast too!) |
| 10:56:41 | erikd | i wish i had money to buy a new one =/ |
| 10:56:51 | scanline | should get a cam that handles different lighting conditions better than the one he has now |
| 10:57:15 | erikd | i don't want to get rid of this one, though, because my dad gave it to me just for the hell of it. it has sentimental value now :) |
| 10:57:34 | scanline | hey.. you can see the building outline clearly now |
| 10:57:39 | erikd | yeah |
| 10:57:43 | scanline | spiffy |
| 10:57:45 | erikd | the sun's already up here :) |
| 10:58:02 | imm | erikd: put the new one in the old case :) |
| 10:58:10 | scanline | notes that the timestamp on the cam kinda gives away what time zone he's in :) |
| 10:58:15 | erikd | imm: hehe, i dunno if it'd fit :) |
| 10:58:43 | imm | erikd: a dremel and some glue will make it fit |
| 10:58:44 | erikd | yeah, you're an hour behind me |
| 10:58:51 | darienm | http://www.iespana.es/jaymesplace/tvroomcam.jpg |
| 10:59:01 | erikd | imm: ehhh. i don't trust my hacking abilities :) |
| 10:59:07 | erikd | at least not hardware hacking |
| 10:59:12 | darienm | Sorry scanline, I'm not watching streets and cars :) |
| 10:59:18 | scanline | darienm: heh.. is that realtime? :) |
| 10:59:21 | erikd | darien: traitor! |
| 10:59:24 | darienm | scanline: check the date |
| 10:59:30 | scanline | yeah yeah |
| 10:59:32 | scanline | details :P |
| 10:59:39 | darienm | she kinda looks like my GF |
| 10:59:51 | darienm | if you changed the blonde to brunette |
| 11:00:08 | scanline | if I had a bunch of IR LEDs I could make a sleeping roommate cam |
| 11:00:31 | scanline | so everybody on the 'net could watch him sleep through all his classes |
| 11:00:44 | erikd | haha |
| 11:01:22 | scanline | thinks it'd be cool to do a time lapse out his window on a cloudy day |
| 11:01:29 | erikd | http://images.erikd.org/desktop/linux/7.png <-- my new elite desktop |
| 11:01:43 | erikd | working on statgrapher, irc'ing and watching family guy :) |
| 11:02:26 | tux_mike | a megatokyo fan, i see :) |
| 11:02:52 | erikd | http://www.intel.com/pccamera/easypccamera/techspec.htm <-- there's my cam |
| 11:02:58 | erikd | oh yeah! MT rocks |
| 11:03:05 | darienm | erikd: http://pinuptoons.com/ |
| 11:03:09 | erikd | is a religious mt reader |
| 11:03:12 | darienm | erikd: go to DIGITAL art |
| 11:03:52 | erikd | hmmm |
| 11:03:57 | erikd | but that's not MT style =/ |
| 11:04:01 | darienm | erikd: is your clock off? |
| 11:04:06 | erikd | yeah, it was |
| 11:04:10 | erikd | i fixed it now |
| 11:04:31 | erikd | my server was an hour off |
| 11:04:49 | scanline | heh.. it's getting bright enough I might need to focus that camera |
| 11:05:07 | erikd | hah! that rocks |
| 11:05:13 | erikd | i love your cam :) |
| 11:05:16 | scanline | haha |
| 11:05:38 | scanline | kinda sucks though.. it's a lot less bright outside than it looks on the cam |
| 11:06:01 | erikd | ok, well. i guess i love your software more than your cam :) |
| 11:06:13 | tux_mike | erikd: you ever see any of the MT panels? |
| 11:06:19 | scanline | the windows software had an "exposure" setting you'd have to fiddle with to get any decent image, and the linux driver doesn't support that yet |
| 11:06:26 | scanline | hehe.. yeah, camserv rocks |
| 11:06:27 | erikd | tux: nope, haven't been able to get to any of 'em |
| 11:06:47 | erikd | there was one in chicago not too long ago i wanted to go to but couldn't due to lack of funds :) |
| 11:07:04 | tux_mike | yah, that was at acen |
| 11:07:11 | scanline | thinks it would be cool to have a remote-controlled cam using legos or something |
| 11:07:13 | erikd | and i guess they were at gencon here in milwaukee a few weeks back but i didn't go to that because i don't play magic anymore |
| 11:07:24 | tux_mike | nope, they aren't RPGers |
| 11:07:43 | erikd | yeah, but gencon's changed since i went to it last |
| 11:07:43 | imm | scanline: i did that with mindstorm |
| 11:07:48 | scanline | imm: spiffy! |
| 11:07:49 | tux_mike | next con for fred will be acen '03 |
| 11:08:03 | tux_mike | erikd: when did you go to it last? |
| 11:08:10 | erikd | when i went to it there were mostly magic tourneys and board games |
| 11:08:11 | erikd | uhh |
| 11:08:14 | imm | scanline: will rebuild if i have time |
| 11:08:16 | scanline | this cam is small enough I could easily mount in in a few lego bricks |
| 11:08:16 | erikd | 3-4 years ago |
| 11:08:28 | scanline | s/in in/it in/ |
| 11:08:35 | erikd | now it has more art and computer stuff i hear |
| 11:08:43 | erikd | my friend went to it on a 4 day pass |
| 11:08:45 | scanline | if only it sucked less.... (but that's what I get for a $20 CompUSA brand camera) |
| 11:08:47 | erikd | or 3 day |
| 11:09:10 | tux_mike | absolutly not. |
| 11:09:19 | erikd | eh? |
| 11:09:20 | tux_mike | it's still all about the Games |
| 11:09:25 | imm | scanline: was just <-->, up and down would be more tricky, but my new can is smaller so it could work |
| 11:09:31 | erikd | well, computer games i meant |
| 11:09:35 | erikd | and magic |
| 11:09:39 | erikd | and larps |
| 11:09:43 | erikd | and board games |
| 11:09:50 | erikd | all the gamer geek stuff |
| 11:10:07 | tux_mike | computer games have little presence there |
| 11:10:24 | erikd | really? my friend made it seem like there were a lot |
| 11:10:48 | scanline | imm: yea. I should build me one of those if I have time, I have mindstorms too |
| 11:11:20 | tux_mike | not really. there were a few CG companies in the ex. hall, and there was the usual computer gaming area. but 90% of that con is RPG/minis/*shudder* CCGs |
| 11:11:37 | erikd | heh, you don't like ccgs? :) |
| 11:12:01 | tux_mike | hate them |
| 11:12:19 | erikd | awww |
| 11:12:31 | erikd | i used to be all about magic: tg |
| 11:12:36 | scanline | this office space divx I have kinda sucks, like it was interlaced when they compressed it |
| 11:12:44 | tux_mike | several years back, me and my friend (mostly my friend) got the whole Minis side of the ballroom to chant "Magic Sucks" |
| 11:13:11 | scanline | might have to actually buy this on DVD to get better quality |
| 11:13:27 | erikd | scanline: i tried making an ogg xvid/vorbis rip of that awhile back but the audio gets desynched at the "beat up the fax" part |
| 11:13:29 | erikd | tux: haha |
| 11:13:52 | tux_mike | it was glorious |
| 11:13:55 | tux_mike | :) |
| 11:14:16 | scanline | erikd: hmm... I haven't tried ogg for videos, that'd be really neat |
| 11:14:39 | erikd | scanline: i have a -really- nice ogg xvid/vorbis 13 ghosts rip i made |
| 11:15:00 | scanline | never seen that movie |
| 11:15:12 | erikd | it's good stuff |
| 11:15:33 | erikd | http://images.erikd.org/ss/rips/13ghosts.png |
| 11:15:37 | erikd | there's a ss of it |
| 11:16:02 | darienm | shaggy! |
| 11:16:04 | scanline | wowee |
| 11:16:09 | erikd | darien: hehe |
| 11:16:18 | erikd | i like that guy |
| 11:16:22 | scanline | erikd: how many kbps? |
| 11:16:24 | TheMasterMind1 | smashes his zaurus with a hammer |
| 11:16:26 | erikd | uhmmm |
| 11:16:28 | erikd | hold |
| 11:16:52 | scanline | watches as his camera goes from not-really-that-crappy to complete whiteout |
| 11:19:20 | erikd | ok, where in mplayer does it tell the video kbps? :) |
| 11:19:28 | erikd | i saw audio, but no video |
| 11:19:38 | scanline | I forget |
| 11:19:47 | scanline | is trying to recompile mplayer with both xvid and ffmpeg... |
| 11:20:16 | erikd | i'd be happy with just ffmpeg since i know xvid doesn't like me anymore =/ |
| 11:20:26 | erikd | i see trucks! |
| 11:20:34 | scanline | :) |
| 11:20:40 | erikd | well... i see white outlines of trucks |
| 11:20:54 | erikd | it died |
| 11:20:57 | erikd | ... |
| 11:21:25 | scanline | reload? |
| 11:21:58 | scanline | I'm using xinetd to forward the connections, maybe it has a maximum connection duration... |
| 11:22:15 | erikd | ah, there it goes |
| 11:22:58 | erikd | well... i know this is between 950 and 1050kbps :) |
| 11:23:03 | erikd | but that prolly doesn't help |
| 11:23:07 | scanline | close enough |
| 11:23:10 | scanline | I was just curious |
| 11:23:21 | erikd | want to get it? |
| 11:23:25 | scanline | sure |
| 11:23:29 | erikd | k |
| 11:23:38 | erikd | lemme move it from my fserv |
| 11:23:48 | erikd | ftp/http/scp/? |
| 11:24:19 | scanline | any of the above |
| 11:25:20 | erikd | i'll do ftp so you can resume |
| 11:25:28 | scanline | k |
| 11:29:38 | benjameyer | well you better have your contest entry submitted sense I am at work :-D |
| 11:30:00 | erikd | ben: there're like 2 people in here that need to talk to you about that |
| 11:30:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 11:30:20 | erikd | endr_ and i think imm |
| 11:30:22 | benjameyer | oh? |
| 11:30:23 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid sharp rom.. |
| 11:30:31 | benjameyer | well yes I agrees |
| 11:30:32 | benjameyer | :-D |
| 11:33:44 | darienm | benjameyer: new nick? |
| 11:34:11 | benjameyer | ? |
| 11:34:14 | benjameyer | oh hehe |
| 11:34:20 | darienm | now you see |
| 11:34:23 | benjameyer | benjamin meyer |
| 11:34:33 | darienm | I know the name, but wondering why it got longer |
| 11:35:02 | benjameyer | how do I change my nick |
| 11:35:03 | benjameyer | ? |
| 11:35:07 | darienm | /nick newnick |
| 11:35:09 | scanline | oh wait.. here's my mplayer source snapshot, I forgot where I put it :D |
| 11:35:31 | erikd | you happen to have the xvid codec in there anywhere? :) |
| 11:35:37 | scanline | checks |
| 11:36:08 | scanline | erikd: nope.. that was in a different directory |
| 11:36:18 | erikd | =/ |
| 11:36:38 | erikd | i think i'm going to get rid of divx4linux and use ffmpeg's libavcodec instead |
| 11:37:12 | darienm | benjameyer: did you see "/nick newnick" ? |
| 11:37:16 | tux_mike | sweet. winscp is cool :) |
| 11:37:49 | tux_mike | can copy from his server to his Z with it :) |
| 11:38:29 | scanline | a server running windows? |
| 11:38:45 | benjameyer | yah |
| 11:38:48 | benjameyer | hmmm |
| 11:38:54 | benjameyer | test |
| 11:39:00 | benmeyer2 | test |
| 11:39:02 | scanline | test cancelled |
| 11:39:11 | benmeyer2 | hmmm |
| 11:39:12 | | Test cancelled. |
| 11:39:12 | scanline | ibot: test? |
| 11:39:16 | benmeyer2 | wonder why I can't change to benmeyer |
| 11:39:16 | scanline | that's it |
| 11:39:39 | erikd | downloads the OV511 cam drivers |
| 11:39:52 | tux_mike | server running linux at home, directly to my Z which is connected to a pc here at work |
| 11:40:03 | scanline | benmeyer_sharp: benmeyer is already online.. do a "/whois benmeyer" |
| 11:40:23 | benmeyer_sharp | opps |
| 11:40:24 | scanline | tux_mike: ah.. it's an scp server for windows? |
| 11:40:28 | benmeyer_sharp | forgot to log off at home |
| 11:40:34 | darienm | kick him :) |
| 11:40:43 | darienm | ET, phone home |
| 11:40:54 | scanline | benmeyer_sharp: if the nick's registered, you can ask nickserv to kill it |
| 11:44:36 | tux_mike | scan: no scp client :) |
| 11:45:41 | scanline | tux_mike: so you VNC into the windows machine? |
| 11:46:02 | tux_mike | no, i'm on the windows machine |
| 11:46:19 | scanline | is confused |
| 11:46:28 | tux_mike | but winscp can copy from one scp server to another |
| 11:46:33 | scanline | ahh |
| 11:46:36 | scanline | that makes more sense |
| 11:47:30 | scanline | YAY.. mplayer using ffmpeg now, so I can finally watch office space |
| 11:48:43 | tux_mike | ffmpet? |
| 11:48:48 | tux_mike | ffmpeg? |
| 11:49:10 | scanline | open source divx codec |
| 11:49:27 | tux_mike | does it use floats? |
| 11:49:33 | scanline | I dunno |
| 11:49:43 | scanline | this isn't on the Z... |
| 11:49:49 | tux_mike | ah |
| 11:49:51 | scanline | is being offtopic now :P |
| 11:50:30 | | I haven't seen 'Jrz', benmeyer_sharp |
| 11:50:30 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot seen Jrz |
| 11:50:35 | erikd | wait.. is floats on the Z bad? |
| 11:50:40 | scanline | erikd: yes |
| 11:50:42 | benmeyer_sharp | there is not float |
| 11:50:45 | erikd | !@(#$& |
| 11:50:46 | benmeyer_sharp | :-D |
| 11:50:49 | benmeyer_sharp | it is an arm |
| 11:50:50 | erikd | thats why it's screwed up! |
| 11:50:55 | scanline | erikd: you can use float, there is emulation.. it's just really slow |
| 11:50:56 | erikd | didn't know that |
| 11:51:06 | scanline | erikd: compile with -msoft-float, see if that fixes it |
| 11:51:14 | erikd | gah... why didn't i know that before |
| 11:51:22 | erikd | nah, i'll just rewrite it |
| 11:51:29 | scanline | hehe.. yeah, ARM has no floating point unit |
| 11:51:46 | scanline | well, the SA-1110 at least |
| 11:51:50 | tux_mike | erikd: a few floats are ok |
| 11:52:15 | imm | re |
| 11:52:25 | erikd | tux: i was using it for the graph, so i think that might've been my problem with negative numbers |
| 11:52:47 | darienm | erikd: You could have asked me... |
| 11:52:51 | erikd | but when i tried to go back to ints i got floating point exceptions =/ |
| 11:52:56 | scanline | erikd: if your toolchain is compiled with software float (it should be) then floats will work, just slowly |
| 11:53:09 | scanline | erikd: floating point exception can also be divide by zero |
| 11:53:16 | erikd | darien: that's the weird graph numbers i took a pic of |
| 11:53:19 | darienm | we don't have any divide by zero |
| 11:53:21 | tux_mike | erikd: it has flop emulation, so you can use floats |
| 11:53:21 | erikd | scanline: hmmm |
| 11:53:42 | darienm | slow shouldn't matter for us, we're not doing that much math. |
| 11:54:09 | scanline | yeah.. it's just bad for multimedia stuff to use floats |
| 11:54:36 | erikd | here's the problem (see if it sounds familiar): when i tried to change all my vars to ints (-all- of 'em) and then used QString::sprintf() i'd get fp exceptions, but when i used some floats and QString::sprintf() it worked fine |
| 11:55:20 | erikd | is recompiling his kernel in hopes that his cam uses the ov511 driver |
| 12:07:44 | jmh|class | is away: running to his class |
| 12:08:39 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: did ALL folks who submitted entries for the challenge receive a confirmation email that their entry was received? |
| 12:09:32 | darienm | Somebody here who can see if my feed is configured properly? |
| 12:10:11 | erikd | hmm... scanline is playing with his cam |
| 12:10:14 | erikd | haha |
| 12:10:41 | benmeyer_sharp | darienm: maybe |
| 12:10:41 | erikd | sleepingroommatecam! |
| 12:10:44 | benmeyer_sharp | :-D |
| 12:10:55 | benmeyer_sharp | we recieved _tons_ of entries |
| 12:11:08 | benmeyer_sharp | I am only 1 man hehe |
| 12:11:17 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: I've heard from quite a few folks who claim they never received a confirmation, even if they had submitted days or weeks before the due date. |
| 12:11:17 | benmeyer_sharp | sure I can |
| 12:11:24 | benmeyer_sharp | hmmm |
| 12:11:36 | tflat | anyone active? |
| 12:11:37 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: just take a peek at http://zaurus.kruss.com/feed/ and see if it appears correctly |
| 12:11:37 | benmeyer_sharp | ok, thinking more like within the last week |
| 12:11:37 | scanline | erikd: office space via webcam :) |
| 12:11:43 | benmeyer_sharp | I am only 3 days or so behind |
| 12:11:51 | erikd | scanline: oooh |
| 12:12:16 | scanline | need a more sturdy mount |
| 12:12:18 | erikd | noo, i don't want to see the keyboard |
| 12:12:21 | erikd | there we go |
| 12:12:22 | tflat | anyone know whats up with www.zaurus.com? |
| 12:12:30 | benmeyer_sharp | darienm: where is your Packages file? |
| 12:12:31 | erikd | it's the bobs! |
| 12:12:39 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: should be in that directory |
| 12:12:48 | erikd | stops being OT |
| 12:12:49 | cxm | hi ppl.... what is the latest rpm for qtopia devel? |
| 12:12:52 | darienm | http://zaurus.kruss.com/feed/Packages |
| 12:13:11 | erikd | cam: there's a 1.5.0 rpm on trolltech's site |
| 12:13:13 | darienm | this directory, by the way, will be disappearing momentarily -- so don't anyone here bother looking or bookmarking :) |
| 12:13:17 | benmeyer_sharp | darienm: did you use the feed generoror script I wrote that is on zz/howtos? |
| 12:13:19 | erikd | and there's a 1.6.0 beta sdk rpm there too |
| 12:13:26 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: I believe I used yours. |
| 12:13:29 | benmeyer_sharp | ok |
| 12:13:32 | benmeyer_sharp | looks good |
| 12:13:38 | Cam__ | erikd is that compatible with the Zaurus? I'm looking to update/finish my competition entry app |
| 12:13:40 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: did you happen to put your name in it? |
| 12:13:41 | tflat | anyone know where i can get the early adopter version of hancom office? |
| 12:13:45 | benmeyer_sharp | any perticular reason you started that feed? |
| 12:13:47 | benmeyer_sharp | no |
| 12:13:49 | erikd | cam: i'm not sure about 1.6.0 |
| 12:13:59 | Cam__ | that's what I thought erikd |
| 12:14:00 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: I started this feed for FRIENDS and FAMILY only. |
| 12:14:04 | benmeyer_sharp | ah |
| 12:14:10 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: and now its GONE |
| 12:14:11 | darienm | :) |
| 12:14:24 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: I have 5 Zauruses to support. |
| 12:14:26 | benmeyer_sharp | I am working with killefiz to make a feed that will automaticly update when zsi does |
| 12:14:29 | benmeyer_sharp | right now there is a lag |
| 12:14:44 | benmeyer_sharp | well zz.com/feed will alwasy be there |
| 12:15:12 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: I have 5 friends/family with Z's -- they all expect me to keep their machines running. So I will maintain my own feed of "known good" files and versions and direct them to update when appropriate. |
| 12:15:18 | Cam__ | I had a commercial license for the qtopia stuff for the contest - do I have to download the gpl version now? |
| 12:15:38 | erikd | cam: oh, i'm not sure about the commercial stuff :) |
| 12:16:16 | Cam__ | erikd - is the GPL version inferior in any way to the commercial one? |
| 12:16:34 | erikd | dunno about that either. i haven't used the commercial one |
| 12:17:00 | darienm | Cam__: Let's just say that the GPL version has everything needed to make really rockin' software. |
| 12:17:08 | Cam__ | Oh well... I'll try the GPL one I suppose :)) |
| 12:17:19 | erikd | yeah, what darien said :) |
| 12:18:32 | benmeyer_sharp | Cam__: no |
| 12:18:47 | benmeyer_sharp | They are the same, the only difference is the license |
| 12:18:57 | kybu | but commercial version is more uptodate |
| 12:18:58 | erikd | scanline: "yeah, i don't like my job and... i don't think i'm going to go anymore" |
| 12:19:05 | kybu | hmm |
| 12:19:13 | kybu | the gpl release is 1 |
| 12:19:15 | scanline | erikd: :) |
| 12:19:22 | kybu | the comemrcial is 6 |
| 12:19:24 | scanline | If only this cam wasn't severely in the way of my keyboard :) |
| 12:19:39 | darienm | You're not wearing the minimum required amount of flair. |
| 12:20:01 | erikd | ok, that's it |
| 12:20:04 | erikd | i'm watching that |
| 12:20:05 | scanline | wonders how many people are watching makeshift-officespace-cam |
| 12:20:07 | erikd | finds his dvd |
| 12:20:25 | benmeyer_sharp | is sleepy |
| 12:20:48 | benmeyer_sharp | never gets enough sleep on weekends |
| 12:21:15 | erikd | yeah, too much to do :) |
| 12:22:14 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 12:22:21 | tux_mike | i got a really good idea for a distro |
| 12:23:01 | benmeyer_sharp | whats that |
| 12:25:20 | Cam__ | grrr.. sendmail on my laptop by default (thanks redhat) |
| 12:26:53 | erikd | cam: don't you hate that? |
| 12:26:59 | erikd | and debian installs exim by default |
| 12:27:10 | Cam__ | erikd I'm just kind of surprised it's there |
| 12:29:18 | erikd | brb, booting my new kernel |
| 12:29:21 | Cam__ | I'd rather have apache |
| 12:30:16 | imm | benmeyer_sharp: just to be shure, did you received the PocketFlirt beta ? |
| 12:32:01 | erikd | back |
| 12:32:36 | benmeyer_sharp | eh, probably, have 50 or so in my inbox |
| 12:32:36 | benmeyer_sharp | hehe |
| 12:33:40 | erikd | wow, that's a lot of Zs |
| 12:33:42 | erikd | :) |
| 12:34:11 | benmeyer_sharp | there were around 200 entries |
| 12:34:30 | erikd | ah, so just a few |
| 12:34:32 | erikd | ;) |
| 12:34:35 | darienm | and it seems benmeyer_sharp is going thru them LIFO order |
| 12:34:36 | imm | :) |
| 12:34:46 | benmeyer_sharp | well spencer has yet to forword me this morning's lot |
| 12:34:47 | benmeyer_sharp | hehe |
| 12:34:57 | benmeyer_sharp | eh, more like random |
| 12:35:05 | benmeyer_sharp | i.e. what ben finds interesting |
| 12:35:11 | erikd | hehe |
| 12:35:12 | darienm | 'cuz the only people concerned are those that sent in 5+ days before the due date. |
| 12:35:16 | benmeyer_sharp | first, what ben finds boring last |
| 12:35:46 | benmeyer_sharp | bif,!bil |
| 12:36:16 | darienm | What happened to http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge ??? |
| 12:37:43 | benmeyer_sharp | Also I do it on how quickly I can test the beta. The people who submited ipk files I simply dump in the feed, try and reply. The ones that have grand instructions on how to edi the make file.... I generally have been putting them off simply because I am lazy :-D |
| 12:37:48 | benmeyer_sharp | darienm: dns issue? |
| 12:37:51 | numatrix | benmeyer_sharp: you're filling in for killefiz, right? |
| 12:37:52 | benmeyer_sharp | I think |
| 12:37:53 | diclophis | z0r |
| 12:38:01 | benmeyer_sharp | yup, for the most part |
| 12:38:05 | benmeyer_sharp | not sure on a few of them though |
| 12:38:13 | numatrix | benmeyer_sharp: Cool, just curious. You had quite a backlog this morning. ;-0 |
| 12:38:14 | diclophis | anyone heard back from zaurus regarding the contest |
| 12:38:14 | diclophis | ? |
| 12:38:39 | numatrix | diclophis: They're a little backlogged, I imagine; why don't you ask them (benmeyer, sniper) |
| 12:39:29 | diclophis | mmm well i dont need to bug em... i was just worried they didnt get my submison cause i used a different email than the one i registered for it |
| 12:39:55 | diclophis | i am a little worried my code wasnt upto par |
| 12:39:57 | diclophis | as well |
| 12:40:39 | benmeyer_sharp | it should be ok |
| 12:41:01 | darienm | diclophis: as long as you plan on fixing it in the next 2.5 weeks :) |
| 12:41:09 | diclophis | benmeyer_sharp my submision was the 'nutron' app |
| 12:41:09 | numatrix | diclophis: It's only the beta portion of the contest, I don't imagine they'll critique your coding style... :-) |
| 12:41:17 | numatrix | diclophis: What kind of app is that? |
| 12:41:19 | diclophis | yea.. i have made leaps and bounds on it this weekend |
| 12:41:35 | diclophis | food logger.. uses the usda db of 6000 foods |
| 12:41:38 | diclophis | meal tracker type thing |
| 12:41:52 | diclophis | i got the sqlite libs and stuff compiled so now it should run on the z |
| 12:42:00 | diclophis | and the c++ api to sqlite |
| 12:42:15 | numatrix | diclophis: Cool. How big does it end up being with all those libs? |
| 12:42:23 | diclophis | well the app is 500k |
| 12:42:30 | darienm | diclophis: and we'll build an api so your logger can export nutrition data to StatGrapher :) |
| 12:42:40 | diclophis | its linked statticly to libstdc++ libsqlite and libsqlitedataset |
| 12:42:46 | diclophis | darienm rock |
| 12:42:52 | diclophis | but the db itself is 7megs ;( |
| 12:43:07 | darienm | diclophis: And its duplicated if you happen to also have NFDB installed :) |
| 12:43:22 | diclophis | but that is like >6000 foods with all the nutrient stats |
| 12:43:30 | diclophis | darienm duplicated? |
| 12:43:32 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 12:43:46 | darienm | diclophis: NFDB also has the entire database in it. |
| 12:44:02 | diclophis | ohoh yea.. |
| 12:45:08 | diclophis | well my app is supposed to be one step beyond what nfdb accomplishes.. i.e. storing meals and loooking at the calcualated results with daily allowed values and what not |
| 12:45:13 | diclophis | but right now i am 5 steps behind his code |
| 12:47:45 | erikd | blah to sourceforge |
| 12:47:54 | erikd | i can't download that cpia cam drivers =/ |
| 12:48:22 | diclophis | ? |
| 12:48:40 | diclophis | erikd whattpye of cam do you have |
| 12:49:11 | erikd | an intel easy pc webcam |
| 12:49:14 | erikd | usb |
| 12:49:20 | erikd | i'm not even sure if it works in linux yet |
| 12:49:31 | erikd | i'm just trying all the drivers i can get my hands on |
| 12:49:37 | erikd | so far ov511 hasn't worked =/ |
| 12:49:53 | diclophis | mmm |
| 12:49:56 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 9 hours, 54 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: here's hoping no tech support dreams [Mon Aug 26 03:55:03 2002] |
| 12:49:56 | imm | ibot seen kergoth |
| 12:50:11 | diclophis | i think i got one of mine that is an intel easy cam working |
| 12:50:17 | diclophis | but it was like a small res and very slow |
| 12:50:21 | diclophis | framerates |
| 12:50:34 | erikd | how long ago was it? |
| 12:50:42 | diclophis | a while back |
| 12:50:49 | diclophis | cant remember where i got the drivers though |
| 12:50:53 | erikd | ah, so it's probably better now |
| 12:51:00 | diclophis | you have hitup google right? |
| 12:51:02 | erikd | well, that gives me hope though :) |
| 12:51:07 | erikd | yeah |
| 12:51:17 | erikd | i found some sites that mention intel cams but not the easy cam |
| 12:51:24 | diclophis | mm keep searching... i know it was some of the very new cam drivers |
| 12:51:44 | diclophis | the easy cam is the kinda oval shaped one with the button on the top right? |
| 12:52:08 | erikd | mine doesn't have a button on the top, but it's oval shaped |
| 12:52:25 | imm | erikd: did you looked ath the usb-device site ? |
| 12:52:41 | erikd | imm: that was down earlier this morning when i went there |
| 12:52:57 | diclophis | speakin of usb, is there anyway to get usb devices attached to a Z ? |
| 12:53:15 | ljp | the zaurus is not a usb host |
| 12:53:25 | imm | erikd: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ |
| 12:53:51 | erikd | ah, cool |
| 12:53:56 | erikd | thanks |
| 12:54:57 | imm | erikd: http://spca50x.sourceforge.net |
| 12:55:17 | erikd | hah, you rock :) |
| 12:55:53 | diclophis | yea thats the one i used |
| 12:56:00 | diclophis | i have the create and share i think |
| 12:56:33 | diclophis | also check out motion.sf.net |
| 12:56:40 | diclophis | awesome video cpature utility |
| 12:56:40 | imm | erikd: had a painfull live with my logitech, so i looked quite often for a still not existing driver :) |
| 12:56:59 | erikd | i think i'm going to have to get cvs, sf's downloads are b0rked |
| 12:57:06 | erikd | imm: ah, that sucks |
| 12:57:12 | erikd | you should write it :) |
| 12:57:52 | imm | erikd: i buyed a philips, they rock, 30fps / light level compensation ... |
| 12:58:47 | erikd | yeah, i think scanline said those are good before |
| 12:58:49 | erikd | someone in here did |
| 12:58:55 | erikd | i don't have any money though =/ |
| 12:59:08 | scanline | didn't... |
| 12:59:30 | scanline | I used to have a Creative webcam, and it broke... then I got this cheapo CompUSA cam that's a rebranded IBM |
| 13:00:02 | erikd | ah |
| 13:00:05 | erikd | someone did :) |
| 13:00:26 | imm | did |
| 13:00:38 | erikd | ah |
| 13:01:04 | erikd | i guess all the people talking to me and my lack of sleep have finally caught up |
| 13:01:05 | erikd | :) |
| 13:01:11 | imm | has no relations to philips :) |
| 13:02:09 | darienm | "Sharp has sold a million Zaurus" ??? >> http://www.corecom.com/html/wireless.html |
| 13:02:41 | darienm | Silly author seems to have lumped all generations of Zaurus together for that statistic, no? |
| 13:03:09 | benmeyer_sharp | wow and running CE too |
| 13:03:11 | benmeyer_sharp | ! |
| 13:03:11 | erikd | makes it sound impressive, though? |
| 13:03:30 | erikd | benmeyer: haha |
| 13:03:33 | erikd | i just saw that |
| 13:04:19 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:04:31 | jmhodges | morning |
| 13:04:33 | imm | benmeyer_sharp: you should send them a free upgrade to linux :) |
| 13:04:40 | benmeyer_sharp | indeed |
| 13:04:42 | erikd | so, what's some nice linux cam software i can use to test and see if this webcam is working? :) |
| 13:04:55 | jmhodges | hehehe erikd |
| 13:05:32 | imm | erikd: http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/working.html |
| 13:05:51 | benmeyer_sharp | I recently found my digital camera could be remotly controlled. Now I have a ~2400x1800 webcam :-D |
| 13:06:03 | erikd | imm: thanks |
| 13:06:45 | imm | benmeyer_sharp: online ? |
| 13:07:02 | benmeyer_sharp | internal only at this point. |
| 13:07:11 | benmeyer_sharp | internal to my home network |
| 13:07:29 | mark | benmeyer_sharp: my cam does that, i think its windows only though; what camear do you have? |
| 13:07:49 | benmeyer_sharp | Casio 3000EX |
| 13:08:20 | mark | benmeyer_sharp: i was hoping you were gonna say sharp th ere :) |
| 13:08:32 | benmeyer_sharp | haha |
| 13:08:33 | mark | s/sharp/canon |
| 13:08:46 | mark | do sharp do cameras? |
| 13:08:53 | benmeyer_sharp | My only sharp item is my microwave and tv |
| 13:09:01 | benmeyer_sharp | both are the dirt cheap modles |
| 13:09:19 | scanline | thinks the only sharp thing he owns might be his Z |
| 13:09:30 | benmeyer_sharp | you sure? |
| 13:09:32 | mark | scanline: me too |
| 13:09:34 | benmeyer_sharp | check your microwave |
| 13:09:38 | mark | i used ot have a clac, think i lost that though |
| 13:09:40 | erikd | benmeyer: you don't have a Z? :) |
| 13:09:42 | mark | calculator even |
| 13:09:47 | scanline | microwave is a "MicroFridge" that came with the dorm |
| 13:09:57 | scanline | TI calculator, Viewsonic monitor... |
| 13:09:57 | benmeyer_sharp | I have 3 z's, but all of calculators are Ti-8x |
| 13:10:05 | scanline | I have no TV |
| 13:10:25 | erikd | doesn't want to go downstairs to check his microwave |
| 13:11:00 | benmeyer_sharp | well neither did I until I got married and then I got a small little 13" with my wife. Which in a way is nice for our living room isn't dominated by a tv setup. |
| 13:11:01 | scanline | hmm... what else does sharp make that I might own... |
| 13:11:14 | benmeyer_sharp | printer, fax, projector |
| 13:11:20 | scanline | I have none of those :) |
| 13:11:21 | benmeyer_sharp | computer |
| 13:11:25 | scanline | heh |
| 13:11:36 | mark | gah, why wont qvfb save an image?! |
| 13:11:45 | scanline | hasn't bought a complete computer in a looong time |
| 13:12:01 | scanline | well, except I bought a laptop last year |
| 13:12:47 | kolla | how about a HP pa-risc apollo 700 series? :) |
| 13:12:52 | Speedy2 | TI calculator? Gag. |
| 13:12:57 | kolla | I got heaploads of them to get rid of :) |
| 13:13:06 | scanline | I haven't used my TI in a while |
| 13:13:06 | Speedy2 | What MHz? |
| 13:13:10 | Speedy2 | 133MHz ? |
| 13:13:19 | erikd | gah, this cam isn't supported |
| 13:13:20 | erikd | bah |
| 13:13:48 | benmeyer_sharp | eh, every once in a while I still use my Ti |
| 13:13:51 | erikd | time to get some sleep |
| 13:13:54 | erikd | bb tonight :) |
| 13:13:54 | imm | erikd: we could make a unsupported cam grave |
| 13:13:57 | numatrix | benmeyer_sharp: Me too; it comes in handy. |
| 13:14:09 | erikd | imm: nah, don't want to toss mine |
| 13:14:18 | erikd | maybe i could try to write a driver for it |
| 13:14:30 | erikd | anyway, i'm out for now |
| 13:14:36 | erikd | thanks for all the help :) |
| 13:14:49 | scanline | bye erikd |
| 13:14:51 | gonkulator{work} | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:14:54 | imm | erikd: thats would be not that easy |
| 13:15:03 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 13:15:26 | Speedy2 | kolla: What speed PA-RISC ? |
| 13:15:55 | chouimat | back |
| 13:16:20 | imm | chouimat: hi |
| 13:16:37 | chouimat | hi imm |
| 13:18:15 | kolla | Speedy2: anything from 25MHz to 100MHz |
| 13:18:47 | Speedy2 | Hrm. A bit too slow for most things. Wish they were smaller |
| 13:18:49 | imm | kolla: i had an HP X-Term for a year |
| 13:19:23 | kolla | :) |
| 13:19:44 | _solaris_ | benmeyer_sharp: when are you planning to finish testing the .ipk files? |
| 13:20:24 | _solaris_ | benmeyer_sharp: I have submitted both the .ipk and the x86 version: if the first one doesn;t work please try with the second one |
| 13:21:26 | chouimat | _solaris_: I also send screenshots with the x86 and arm version, just to be sure |
| 13:22:04 | _solaris_ | chouimat: :-) ok... but the gui is the easiest part. Have you received any answer? |
| 13:22:39 | chouimat | _solaris_: no |
| 13:22:39 | benmeyer_sharp | _solaris_: when I can |
| 13:22:45 | benmeyer_sharp | I will |
| 13:22:59 | benmeyer_sharp | _solaris_: I am slowly going through them all |
| 13:23:05 | benmeyer_sharp | there are a _ton_ of entries |
| 13:23:16 | chouimat | benmeyer_sharp: how much? |
| 13:23:30 | benmeyer_sharp | I have 30 or so in my inbox and there are plenty more |
| 13:23:42 | benmeyer_sharp | that hasn't been forwarded to me |
| 13:23:45 | benmeyer_sharp | what is your app? |
| 13:24:43 | chouimat | benmeyer_sharp: nessus client |
| 13:24:59 | benmeyer_sharp | ok |
| 13:25:01 | benmeyer_sharp | it is in my que |
| 13:25:17 | chouimat | benmeyer_sharp: with the name Mathieu Chouinard? |
| 13:25:26 | benmeyer_sharp | not sure |
| 13:25:30 | imm | benmeyer_sharp: and the matchmaker app ? |
| 13:30:07 | mark | benmeyer_sharp: the more entries the better :), thats great |
| 13:30:07 | benmeyer_sharp | imm: an older version |
| 13:30:07 | mod | hellp |
| 13:30:08 | mod | hello+ |
| 13:30:08 | benmeyer_sharp | spencer hasn't forwarded me a newer one |
| 13:30:08 | mod | hello |
| 13:30:08 | benmeyer_sharp | the newer one |
| 13:30:08 | chouimat | hello mod |
| 13:30:08 | mod | does somebody get intellisync working? |
| 13:30:08 | numatrix | imm do you have screenshots available? |
| 13:30:09 | imm | numatrix: yes, but only per mail |
| 13:30:09 | numatrix | benmeyer_sharp: Do all reasonable applications get zaurii or are you only picking the top 1 in each category? |
| 13:30:09 | numatrix | imm: mind sending me some? jordan@d0pe.com |
| 13:30:09 | benmeyer_sharp | most do |
| 13:30:09 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 13:30:09 | warmi | hi |
| 13:30:09 | numatrix | imm: A friend of mine is doing a matchmaker app as well, I think you were talking with him: anselor? |
| 13:30:09 | benmeyer_sharp | a bunch of them I send back for some ui improvments, but once they are fixed then they get them |
| 13:30:10 | numatrix | imm: If you want, I can find his screenshots so you can see how he did it. |
| 13:30:10 | numatrix | benmeyer_sharp: that's reasonable. Mine might be in that category. ;-) I spent more time working on the back-end. We'll see soon enough. |
| 13:30:10 | imm | numatrix: would be nice |
| 13:30:10 | darienm|away | back in 90 mins |
| 13:30:10 | mod | benmeyer_sharp: howto? |
| 13:30:10 | imm | numatrix: i will talk to him about protocol sinc, would be cool if the 2 apps could talk together |
| 13:30:10 | chouimat | numatrix: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 |
| 13:30:10 | | it has been said that howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 13:30:10 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot howtos |
| 13:30:10 | | yes, benmeyer_sharp? |
| 13:30:10 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot? |
| 13:30:10 | numatrix | imm: They're kinda outdated, he's done a lot of work since but, try here: http://anselor.net/projects/mmaker/1.png |
| 13:30:10 | | hi is sean here? or travis? |
| 13:30:10 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot hi! |
| 13:30:10 | numatrix | just keep adding one until you run out of images. ;-) |
| 13:30:10 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot is dead! noooooooooo <insert klingon death yell> |
| 13:30:11 | benmeyer_sharp | www.zauruszone.com/howtos |
| 13:30:18 | benmeyer_sharp | back from the dead! |
| 13:30:25 | | benmeyer_sharp: what? |
| 13:30:25 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot klingon |
| 13:30:28 | numatrix | chouimat: That's excellent; I'm really stoked about that app. Maybe even get me to justify some zaurus purchases at work. ;-) |
| 13:30:29 | | benmeyer_sharp: excuse me? |
| 13:30:29 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot star trek |
| 13:30:55 | jmhodges | dammit i lost my screen while at bowling |
| 13:30:57 | jmhodges | im pissed |
| 13:30:57 | numatrix | umm, what the heck? Ibot asks for people by name? |
| 13:31:01 | chouimat | benmeyer_sharp: no he was with a special lady friend .... |
| 13:31:10 | | benmeyer_sharp: wish i knew |
| 13:31:10 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot lady friend? |
| 13:31:14 | jmhodges | numatrix: just when you ask him something :) |
| 13:31:16 | | howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 13:31:16 | mod | ibot: howto |
| 13:31:17 | jmhodges | numatrix: like this |
| 13:31:17 | | no idea, benmeyer_sharp |
| 13:31:17 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot do you have a lover? |
| 13:31:21 | warmi | benmeyer_sharp: it seems you guys got better response for your Sharp challenge than Trolls got for their contest. |
| 13:31:22 | | i don't know, jmhodges |
| 13:31:22 | jmhodges | ibot: doobie do? |
| 13:31:30 | mod | benmeyer_sharp: thx |
| 13:31:36 | chouimat | benmeyer_sharp: with IA this days we can't be sure |
| 13:31:37 | benmeyer_sharp | warmi: actually the tt contest got a lot |
| 13:31:44 | benmeyer_sharp | you just don't know about them |
| 13:31:50 | chouimat | numatrix: so you like my app |
| 13:31:58 | numatrix | I like the look of it, I can't wait to try it. |
| 13:31:59 | benmeyer_sharp | a lot of them died because they didn't win. A lot of really good ones too |
| 13:32:13 | numatrix | benmeyer_sharp: Yeah, that's pretty disappointing. |
| 13:32:30 | numatrix | benmeyer_sharp: Do you rememebr the address for that french guy that had the great graphics engine? |
| 13:32:38 | benmeyer_sharp | ahhaha |
| 13:32:38 | warmi | well, still .. having Z for everyone who qualifies will give people more motivation to actually finish their projects |
| 13:32:39 | benmeyer_sharp | sorry |
| 13:32:44 | benmeyer_sharp | oh, hammerhead.com |
| 13:32:46 | cutm | morning |
| 13:32:53 | chouimat | numatrix: I have plan for palmos version too :) |
| 13:32:55 | benmeyer_sharp | hopefully |
| 13:33:02 | diclophis | yea definatly... i am willing to wait until the deadline to get my z |
| 13:33:17 | _solaris_ | benmeyer_sharp: my app is the formula storage... is it on the queue? |
| 13:33:18 | numatrix | benmeyer_sharp: hmm, I seem to remember a different link... |
| 13:33:33 | diclophis | warmi, if you want i have made a .pro file for the newer version of sqlite |
| 13:33:41 | diclophis | using your example |
| 13:33:57 | mod | benmeyer_sharp: only one question which ver should linkver have or what do u have? |
| 13:34:01 | diclophis | and also for the sqlitedataset c++ api, and got it all to link staticlly, including to libstc++ |
| 13:34:18 | imm | numatrix: looks nice anselors pix |
| 13:34:20 | benmeyer_sharp | mod: I have what is available on zz |
| 13:34:22 | warmi | dislophis: well, I modify sqlite on my own to support some things that it does not out of the box ( like for example float numbers that start with . like .345 etc..) |
| 13:34:26 | benmeyer_sharp | in the howtos |
| 13:34:33 | warmi | so I need to go thru the newer code every time :-) |
| 13:34:52 | diclophis | oh thats cool |
| 13:34:57 | warmi | I will have to go check what's changed |
| 13:34:58 | diclophis | well if you ever need it just msg me |
| 13:35:06 | warmi | ok thanks |
| 13:35:07 | numatrix | imm, yeah, I think he did a pretty reasonable job with design. He pulled a couple of straight all-day programming binges to get it operational. Of course, he only started it a few days before the deadline and didn't know Qt beforehand, so it was pretty impressive. |
| 13:35:10 | diclophis | yea they added this whole 'lemon' parser deal |
| 13:35:18 | diclophis | complete bitch, had to make my own tmake template and shite |
| 13:35:19 | warmi | lemon ? |
| 13:35:29 | diclophis | some sort of parser generatero or something |
| 13:35:32 | warmi | you know what ... |
| 13:35:38 | imm | numatrix: did you get my pix ? |
| 13:35:51 | warmi | I always use preparsed and precreated Windows .c and .h files from sqlite project |
| 13:35:53 | diclophis | it takes an input file, parse.y and makes parse.c and parse.h |
| 13:35:58 | warmi | they use yacc and all this stuff |
| 13:36:02 | numatrix | imm: yeah, I'm copying them someplace so I can look at them (mail is on a different machine) |
| 13:36:12 | chouimat | numatrix: my app is so easy to use that even bob (my cat ) can use it |
| 13:36:22 | imm | is away: smoke |
| 13:36:33 | mod | benmeyer_sharp: i can't see it |
| 13:36:53 | warmi | and cross-compiling all this yacc stuff is a pain in the butt |
| 13:36:58 | diclophis | i bet |
| 13:37:00 | numatrix | imm: want me to put them on the web for you in case anyone else asks? I already did anyway on a drop area of mine. |
| 13:38:10 | chouimat | numatrix: imm is out, smoking |
| 13:38:11 | warmi | diclophis: you are the guy who is using that STL based Cpp wrapper for sqlite ? |
| 13:38:21 | numatrix | chouimat: I know, he'll get it when he comes back. :-) |
| 13:38:32 | numatrix | chouimat: Thanks though. |
| 13:39:09 | tux_mike | warmi: you ever track down wolak? |
| 13:39:31 | numatrix | imm: Also, he figured out how to get the ip address of the local host without having the user enter it; still needs the broadcast entered; maybe you can work together on that: anselor@d0pe.com |
| 13:39:33 | warmi | no, but I will try today again |
| 13:39:41 | tux_mike | cool |
| 13:39:43 | tux_mike | thanks |
| 13:39:53 | warmi | I know he is around just never really managed to "get" him to ask about that |
| 13:40:11 | tux_mike | yah, i can understand :) |
| 13:40:38 | imm | is back |
| 13:40:46 | warmi | I know he is out of vacation time for this year :-) |
| 13:40:48 | diclophis | warmi yea |
| 13:40:51 | diclophis | got it to work |
| 13:41:02 | warmi | he spent altogether 2 weeks in Mexico and 2 weeks in Canada |
| 13:41:04 | diclophis | at least i think i did |
| 13:41:14 | diclophis | i havnt had the chance to run my code on a z yet |
| 13:41:16 | warmi | diclophis: without STL ? |
| 13:41:20 | mod | benmeyer_sharp: i can't see it |
| 13:41:25 | diclophis | no.. linked staticly to libstdc++ |
| 13:41:27 | warmi | or just compiling it statically ? |
| 13:41:29 | warmi | ah ok |
| 13:41:41 | diclophis | if you look in the /opt/Embedix dirs there is the .a for stdc++ |
| 13:41:53 | diclophis | did some tmake file tweaking so when i compile for arm it uses that |
| 13:42:00 | diclophis | and when i compile for x86 it uses dynamic linking |
| 13:42:09 | warmi | diclophis: ah ok |
| 13:42:22 | imm | numatrix: yes, thats on my todo |
| 13:42:36 | diclophis | warmi you wouldnt happen to have ~8megs free space on your z and some time to run my code to see if it works wouldya? |
| 13:42:56 | imm | numatrix: did anselor got feedback yet ? |
| 13:43:10 | warmi | 8 megs ??? |
| 13:43:17 | diclophis | for the db file |
| 13:43:20 | warmi | man .. I thought my sqlite database was big |
| 13:43:21 | diclophis | 6000 foods in there |
| 13:43:33 | warmi | diclophis: don't tell me you created food database .. |
| 13:43:40 | diclophis | i used the usda one |
| 13:43:42 | tux_mike | woo! i've got the piece swap method working half way. :) |
| 13:43:44 | imm | diclophis: i there pizza on your list :) ? |
| 13:43:52 | diclophis | just imported the abbrev.txt into sqlite |
| 13:43:56 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/nfdb.shtml |
| 13:43:59 | warmi | so did I |
| 13:44:04 | numatrix | imm: not that I know. He's probably in class this morning, but I'll ask him. I doubt he has since I submitted before him and haven't heard back yet. |
| 13:44:23 | warmi | but I used all kinds of tricks and internall compression to manage to get it down to 4 MBs |
| 13:44:31 | diclophis | warmi, i am using the r15 version, maybe there is more |
| 13:44:36 | numatrix | imm: if you need hosting, let me know, I have more than enough room. |
| 13:44:37 | diclophis | yea i havnt done any sort of compression at all |
| 13:44:53 | diclophis | the entire source dir including the libs and db all compress to 2mb |
| 13:45:01 | diclophis | so i could probably do something to get the size down |
| 13:45:02 | warmi | when I imported abbrev.txt into sqlite it ended up being 7 mb |
| 13:45:12 | warmi | so I had to do something to get it down to at least 4 or so |
| 13:45:15 | imm | numatrix: cool, i have 3 apps to host |
| 13:45:21 | warmi | so what I did was go thru all descriptions .. |
| 13:45:33 | warmi | and create list of 100 most often duplicated words |
| 13:45:41 | diclophis | interesting |
| 13:45:44 | warmi | which I then loaded into separate table |
| 13:45:48 | diclophis | nice |
| 13:46:06 | warmi | and the words themselves were replaced with index into that table ...soemthing like @23 etc .. |
| 13:46:11 | imm | diclophis: are there any vitamines in pizza or springrolls ? |
| 13:46:17 | warmi | crude but it got down the size to 4 mb |
| 13:46:21 | diclophis | that works... |
| 13:46:23 | mod | benmeyer_sharp: are u here ? |
| 13:46:23 | kybu | :)) |
| 13:46:36 | diclophis | i had initally tried to reproduce the enitre rdmbs version of the usda data |
| 13:46:40 | diclophis | man... 30 megs |
| 13:46:43 | warmi | hehe |
| 13:46:44 | diclophis | i was like... oh man |
| 13:46:47 | warmi | yeah .. forget it :-) |
| 13:46:56 | mod | can somebody tell me what should be in /home/root/systeminfo/linkver? |
| 13:47:00 | diclophis | maybe for the home pc version or something |
| 13:47:30 | warmi | do you have a screenshot or two of your app available somewhere ? |
| 13:47:37 | diclophis | no, there isnt much.. |
| 13:47:56 | mod | on zaurus |
| 13:48:03 | diclophis | all i have rightnow is the menu system and the a Qlistbox that dynamicly shows what foods match the text you type into a text box |
| 13:48:40 | warmi | btw ... I modified sqlite specially to accept .45 style float numbers |
| 13:48:48 | warmi | cause that food database has tons of them |
| 13:48:53 | diclophis | .45? |
| 13:48:56 | warmi | and all are like 0.345 etc .. |
| 13:49:05 | diclophis | i didnt have any problems importing the data... |
| 13:49:06 | warmi | I mean float that starts with .xxx |
| 13:49:12 | diclophis | maybe the new verison handles that better? |
| 13:49:17 | warmi | I know but sqlite stores all data as strings |
| 13:49:20 | diclophis | yea... |
| 13:49:28 | diclophis | ohoh so you got it to actually use it as floats |
| 13:49:32 | warmi | and just by getting rid of leading 0 |
| 13:49:40 | warmi | I was able to save a little bit of space :-) |
| 13:49:47 | diclophis | ah... true true |
| 13:49:52 | diclophis | probably alot of space |
| 13:50:09 | warmi | and sqlite by default would not recognize floats starting with . as such |
| 13:50:12 | diclophis | #records * (at least 2-3 extra zerios) |
| 13:50:15 | warmi | so I had to modify the source code |
| 13:50:20 | diclophis | hmmm |
| 13:50:26 | diclophis | man.. i am so behind ;) |
| 13:50:31 | warmi | I even posted patch to the list |
| 13:50:36 | diclophis | i havbnt even encounterd any problems with that type of stuff |
| 13:50:46 | warmi | and the author said that eventually they will make it work with floats starting with . |
| 13:51:10 | warmi | well, . it was all cause I tried to squeze it down as much as possible |
| 13:51:14 | diclophis | true... |
| 13:51:17 | mod | can somebody tell me what should be in /home/root/systeminfo/linkver? |
| 13:51:56 | diclophis | warmi maybe we could work together so my meal thing could work with with your nice micro sized food db |
| 13:52:19 | warmi | well, I can give you the schema for the database... in fact you can get it yourself .. it is on my site |
| 13:52:25 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/nfdb.shtml |
| 13:52:32 | chouimat | benmeyer_sharp: you estimate how many days before finishing reviewing the entries? |
| 13:52:32 | diclophis | is all the code in the download? |
| 13:53:02 | warmi | yeah .. I have the source code I just never had a time to post it yet |
| 13:53:09 | scanline | what stage is the contest at? |
| 13:53:09 | warmi | I can send it to you |
| 13:53:24 | warmi | anyway .. your database is probably better since it is newer |
| 13:53:28 | ljp | chouimat: if its anything like TT's contest, it'll be 2 months |
| 13:53:32 | diclophis | cool, i could try to patch up the newer version of sqlite and see if i can get it to run with the c++ wrapper |
| 13:53:41 | diclophis | well i could do the modifcations to save space |
| 13:53:45 | diclophis | if i had your patch to sqlite |
| 13:53:56 | chouimat | ljp: TT is a small company |
| 13:54:05 | warmi | oh that one .. yeah it is a single liner :-) |
| 13:54:09 | warmi | or used to be |
| 13:54:19 | warmi | at least the one for getting floats to be recognized |
| 13:54:34 | diclophis | cool |
| 13:54:36 | | I haven't seen 'benmeyer_shar', _solaris_ |
| 13:54:36 | _solaris_ | ibot: seen benmeyer_shar |
| 13:54:40 | | benmeyer_sharp was last seen on #zaurus 20 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: in the howtos [Mon Aug 26 14:34:26 2002] |
| 13:54:40 | _solaris_ | ibot: seen benmeyer_sharp |
| 13:54:58 | mod | can somebody tell me what should be in /home/root/systeminfo/linkver? |
| 13:55:20 | ljp | chouimat: well sharp only has 3 sharp usa employees on the zaurus |
| 13:55:31 | warmi | mod: sorry I have no clue and obviously people on this channel don't know answer to that question either |
| 13:55:38 | warmi | is it on the Zaurus mod ? |
| 13:55:53 | mod | warmi: what do u have in there? |
| 13:56:02 | mod | warmi: on zaurus |
| 13:56:15 | warmi | uh .. can't even answer that one at this point .. I left my zaurus at home |
| 13:56:18 | warmi | sorry :-) |
| 13:56:36 | diclophis | haha.. like my roomate leaving is portable phone sisting at home plugged into the wall |
| 13:56:48 | diclophis | if i ever get this thing i am gonna have it implanted into my arm |
| 13:56:50 | warmi | well, I hardly take my Z with me anyway |
| 13:56:57 | warmi | it is a development unit |
| 13:57:02 | diclophis | i just hpe i can get some decent wireless internet on campus... |
| 13:57:05 | warmi | I don't use it as a pda |
| 13:57:14 | diclophis | nuthin like surfing the net durin class |
| 13:57:18 | mod | does someone have its zaurus with him? or her |
| 13:57:25 | ljp | yes |
| 13:57:35 | warmi | diclophis: I will be very interested how you solved issues with user interface for querying data etc .. |
| 13:57:43 | warmi | I had some problems when writing NFDB :-) |
| 13:57:56 | cutm | w |
| 13:57:56 | warmi | have you seen how nfdb works ? |
| 13:57:59 | diclophis | query data? |
| 13:58:04 | mod | ljp: can u tell me what do u have in /home/root/sysinfo/linkver? can u paste it in here? |
| 13:58:04 | diclophis | no i havnt been able to run it |
| 13:58:36 | warmi | well, do you have Z ? |
| 13:58:37 | diclophis | http://sig.mine.nu/~jbardin/nutron-new.tgz |
| 13:58:40 | diclophis | no not yet |
| 13:58:53 | diclophis | dl that package, and check out src/FoodSelectList.cpp |
| 13:59:21 | diclophis | its actually quite simple.. with the sqlitedataset wrapper |
| 13:59:39 | diclophis | like 4-5 lines of code to control the list box and attache it to the db of foods |
| 13:59:43 | warmi | man .. I wasn't aware there was a wrapper for sqlite available |
| 13:59:54 | warmi | so I created my own .. based on qt collection classes etc |
| 13:59:56 | warmi | not STL |
| 14:00:03 | mod | ljp: ? |
| 14:00:09 | diclophis | yea... this one i found is pretty nice |
| 14:00:21 | diclophis | hafd a bit of trouble converting the stl string object into QString |
| 14:00:24 | diclophis | but figured it out |
| 14:00:38 | diclophis | list->insertItem(QString::fromLocal8Bit( ds->fv("Shrt_Desc").get_asString().c_str() )); |
| 14:00:44 | diclophis | is the main line that fills the list box |
| 14:00:58 | mod | ljp: ? |
| 14:01:29 | JasonNJ | I think I have just found the snack food equivalent to crack. |
| 14:01:33 | diclophis | i didnt understand sqlites callback interface.. so if i couldnt have gotten the wrapper to work i would have been screwed |
| 14:01:34 | jmhodges | lol |
| 14:01:40 | jmhodges | JasonNJ: what snack? |
| 14:01:40 | diclophis | JasonNJ what is it |
| 14:01:43 | diclophis | i want a hit |
| 14:01:45 | JasonNJ | ReeseSticks |
| 14:01:50 | jmhodges | ick |
| 14:01:53 | diclophis | mm |
| 14:02:27 | mod | ljp: can i get an answer from u? |
| 14:02:30 | diclophis | it queris the db pretty fast on my home machine, not sure of the preformance to expect on the z |
| 14:02:32 | warmi | diclophis: yeah .. sqlite callbak interface is a bitch to get it to work with C++ |
| 14:02:45 | diclophis | i mean.. its a decent size db |
| 14:02:47 | warmi | oh man .. on CF and RAM it was accceptable for me |
| 14:02:54 | JasonNJ | jm: they are like Kit Kats, but taste like Reeses Peices. |
| 14:02:54 | diclophis | cool |
| 14:02:54 | warmi | on SD though it was slow like hell |
| 14:02:59 | ljp | mod: what was the question? |
| 14:03:03 | diclophis | hmm |
| 14:03:08 | jmhodges | hehe JasonNJ |
| 14:03:09 | warmi | SD is much slower |
| 14:03:11 | mod | ljp: can u tell me what do u have in /home/root/sysinfo/linkver? can u paste it in here? |
| 14:03:13 | diclophis | yea... |
| 14:03:19 | ljp | 1.1 |
| 14:03:27 | mod | ljp: thx |
| 14:03:28 | diclophis | also i was thinkig sqlite db files can just be transferd righht? |
| 14:03:49 | JasonNJ | just got em out of a vending machine. I tell you its a government plot to keep tech people at bay. |
| 14:03:51 | diclophis | cause i was gonna store the actually meal data into anoterh db alltogether that way you can 'sync' it with the pc version of the software |
| 14:04:10 | diclophis | there isnt like a big endian little endian problem is there? |
| 14:04:16 | ljp | or, more specifcally 1.1\n\0 :D |
| 14:04:17 | warmi | well, you know what .. |
| 14:04:23 | warmi | I am still confused about that |
| 14:04:31 | diclophis | hmm |
| 14:04:37 | warmi | I thjink the latest version doesn't have that problem |
| 14:04:40 | diclophis | well i guess the only way is to try it out |
| 14:04:46 | diclophis | yea... thats what oi read |
| 14:04:52 | diclophis | but i mean.. it is still a little tricky |
| 14:04:52 | warmi | anyway .. zaurus uses the same endianess system as x86 does |
| 14:04:56 | diclophis | cool |
| 14:05:22 | tux_mike | warmi: on the Z, as x moves down, is that a vertical translation down the screen? |
| 14:05:46 | Junxster | the question, as i see it, is should i get the $25 one day shipping option on my Z? :) |
| 14:05:51 | warmi | x usually goes to the right |
| 14:06:01 | warmi | I mean logical X coordinates always go to the right |
| 14:06:23 | warmi | unless you are talking about framebuffer , device coordinates ( which is rotated) |
| 14:06:32 | tux_mike | it doesnt seem that way on the Z |
| 14:06:40 | warmi | yeah, sure it is :-) |
| 14:06:59 | warmi | and since qte on the zaurus does not support rotation by default it has to be |
| 14:07:23 | warmi | in normal QPainter on the desktop you can use transformations to change this any way you want but qte on the zaurus does not have this part compiled in |
| 14:07:44 | warmi | Y goes down |
| 14:07:46 | diclophis | well i am off to class |
| 14:07:53 | warmi | are you sure you are not talking about Y |
| 14:08:00 | warmi | ok .. have fun diclophis |
| 14:08:01 | diclophis | ttyall later |
| 14:08:11 | diclophis | haha yea i will try.. hopefully there will be some hotties ;) |
| 14:08:37 | warmi | well, if it is calculus then there won't be any .. |
| 14:08:48 | warmi | at least it was always the case for me |
| 14:12:25 | jmhodges | :( |
| 14:12:28 | jmhodges | warmi: damn you |
| 14:12:40 | jmhodges | my next class is physics, then calc |
| 14:12:55 | jmhodges | so my bowling class is going to have to get me through eh? |
| 14:12:59 | jmhodges | great |
| 14:13:01 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 14:13:14 | scanline | doesn't have his first class today until 2:00 PM |
| 14:13:30 | whardier | thats a lot of masturbating |
| 14:13:37 | scanline | haha |
| 14:13:48 | whardier | wakes up |
| 14:13:55 | ljp | doesnt have any classes today |
| 14:14:01 | whardier | well |
| 14:14:02 | scanline | has spend most of the day either fiddling with mplayer's codecs or trying to write code with no effect |
| 14:14:03 | whardier | lucky you |
| 14:14:19 | warmi | jmhodges: hehe |
| 14:14:29 | chouimat | imm: ping |
| 14:14:38 | imm | chouimat: pong |
| 14:14:56 | imm | has low latency |
| 14:15:00 | jmh|class | late! |
| 14:15:01 | jmh|class | shit! |
| 14:15:09 | chouimat | imm: wow some co when they updating the software manual don't even check the actual software |
| 14:15:13 | mod | scanline: do u got mplayer |
| 14:15:14 | scanline | 10000.0ms :P |
| 14:15:32 | scanline | mod: yes |
| 14:16:08 | mod | scanline: do u got it working on Z? |
| 14:16:13 | scanline | mod: no |
| 14:16:15 | jmh|class | thank god i got the domr next to the math sci bldg |
| 14:16:18 | mod | scanline: x? |
| 14:16:19 | imm | scanline: thats fast for someone like me |
| 14:16:24 | scanline | others have though, it's slow |
| 14:16:30 | scanline | imm: hehe |
| 14:16:31 | imm | chouimat: which one ? |
| 14:16:49 | numatrix | mod: mplayer was ported to the Z already |
| 14:16:57 | numatrix | zsibot search zsi for mplayer |
| 14:16:58 | zsibot | Debug: recent=0, query='mplayer' |
| 14:16:58 | zsibot | mplayer 0.90pre5 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=353 |
| 14:17:00 | whardier | my kitty loves me |
| 14:17:07 | scanline | I'd rather work on making snes9x faster than making mplayer faster... |
| 14:17:12 | mod | numatrix: but do u got it working i get errors? |
| 14:17:15 | whardier | hmm |
| 14:17:18 | JasonNJ | this weekend went way too fast |
| 14:17:23 | whardier | I cross compiled mplayer yesterday |
| 14:17:27 | numatrix | mod: What errors? Works fine for me (I was the one who packaged it...) |
| 14:17:32 | whardier | it was a slow little fucker |
| 14:17:42 | numatrix | whardier: Slow compile or slow running? |
| 14:17:42 | chouimat | imm: a software for auto mechanics from Bosch. they say that the app work in 2000/NT/98/95 with the interface card but it's not true It only work in 95/3.1 |
| 14:17:48 | JasonNJ | whardier: no optimization for integer |
| 14:17:55 | warmi | numatrix: man .. how did you manage to compile this snes emu for Z ( the one you sent me the code) ? |
| 14:18:07 | warmi | I had all kinds of problems and crap ( mainly with SDL) |
| 14:18:13 | scanline | has used snes9x on the Z.... |
| 14:18:15 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 14:18:16 | chouimat | hates when his cat runs on the keyboard |
| 14:18:20 | chouimat | hi Harlekin |
| 14:18:23 | numatrix | warmi: that one was nes, not snes. Let me re-extract it and see what I did. |
| 14:18:26 | scanline | numatrix: did you port snes9x to SDL? |
| 14:18:28 | Harlekin | hi chouimat |
| 14:18:29 | warmi | Hi Harlekin |
| 14:18:32 | scanline | on, NES... |
| 14:18:35 | scanline | s/on/oh/ |
| 14:18:38 | imm | chouimat: sue them |
| 14:18:39 | warmi | numatrix: yeah .. nes |
| 14:18:48 | numatrix | scanline: not yet; zsnes apparently runs with sdl on linux, so I'll be going for that one next. |
| 14:18:52 | warmi | scanline: it was nes .. not snes |
| 14:19:02 | mod | numatrix: but do u got it working i get errors? |
| 14:19:15 | numatrix | mod: get mplayer working? Yes, I've watched divx files, avi files, and others. |
| 14:19:28 | scanline | numatrix: zsnes is written almost 100% in x86 ASM, you'd have to use snes9x. I've run snes9x on my Z in X, and it was a little slow but still playable |
| 14:19:30 | zecke | does anyone got a QtopiaDesktop version for linux prior to 1.6 |
| 14:19:42 | mod | numatrix: with which files and with witch mplayer command? |
| 14:19:45 | chouimat | imm: my customer lost 3 weeks because the bosch techs said they will be able to make the system work. but I didn't this morning. We are speaking of a software of 10K $ |
| 14:19:45 | warmi | btw .. I eventually managed to compile it for the zaurus but when I tried to run it I got an error "QPixmap needs QPainter to be initalized " or some such like that |
| 14:19:52 | scanline | numatrix: I've been wanting to port snes9x to picogui and to some ARM optimization :) |
| 14:19:58 | scanline | s/to/do/ |
| 14:20:16 | Junxster | chouimat: will it run under wine? :) |
| 14:20:28 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:20:29 | imm | chouimat: so send them the bill |
| 14:20:33 | numatrix | scanline: Yeah, I saw that people have it running under X, so I'd really like to get something for Qt as well... |
| 14:20:34 | scanline | hiya kergoth |
| 14:20:34 | warmi | hi kergoth |
| 14:20:36 | kergoth | ibot: message for Cloudchaser: fbvncserver works in OZ. |
| 14:20:42 | chouimat | Junxster: I don't think the card seems to only works in DOS |
| 14:20:45 | roge99_laptop | sup kergoth |
| 14:20:52 | mod | numatrix: ? |
| 14:20:57 | kergoth | the weirdest thing happened to me today |
| 14:20:57 | scanline | numatrix: it'd be cool if we could join forces and do an ARM-optimized snes9x that works in Qt and picogui :) |
| 14:20:59 | kergoth | i woke up |
| 14:21:02 | kergoth | and i was wide awake! |
| 14:21:12 | kergoth | it was a monday morning, and i was conscious |
| 14:21:16 | kergoth | ! |
| 14:21:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:21:21 | numatrix | scanline: heck yeah, it would; my coding skills are pretty lame, and it's been a while sincec I've done asm, but I'd love to work on it... |
| 14:21:26 | roge99_laptop | did you dream about drinking coffee ?? |
| 14:21:36 | mod | numatrix: ? |
| 14:21:37 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:21:42 | scanline | numatrix: I've never done ARM asm, but I've drooled over the instruction set docs so I'd love to try |
| 14:21:47 | kergoth | I have no idea what I dreamed about, but whatever it was, it mustve worked |
| 14:21:57 | numatrix | mod: What are you asking? I've gotten it to work. What are you trying and what's not working? |
| 14:22:09 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: that stupid time/date loss on suspend/reboot bug is finally fixed |
| 14:22:10 | mod | numatrix: th |
| 14:22:17 | scanline | numatrix: IMHO the first thing that needs fixing is the snes9x build system.. autoconfize the thing so it's sane to cross compile with |
| 14:22:17 | imm | sugar make kergoth a coffee |
| 14:22:20 | numatrix | scanline: warmi did the arm asm speedups for gnuboy, so we could probably pester him some too. ;-) /me nudges warmi... |
| 14:22:20 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 14:22:23 | kergoth | thanks imm |
| 14:22:27 | chouimat | Junxster: but I think such app for the z, would be great. they even do this for the palm |
| 14:22:40 | numatrix | scanline: I haven't even lookekd at snes9x yet; seemed like it was too much work, so I was holding off on it for now. |
| 14:22:44 | warmi | numatrix: ARM asm is easy ... once you have the right book :-) |
| 14:22:50 | numatrix | warmi: any recommendations? |
| 14:22:51 | scanline | hehe.. warme and scanline joining forces |
| 14:22:53 | imm | sugar make imm a coffee |
| 14:22:54 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to imm. |
| 14:22:56 | chouimat | warmi: the ones from intel? |
| 14:23:01 | imm | kergoth: chears |
| 14:23:03 | scanline | Sugar: make me lots and lots of espresso! |
| 14:23:05 | Sugar | pours some lots lots of espresso from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to scanline. |
| 14:23:08 | scanline | yay! |
| 14:23:16 | mod | numatrix: the same taht u got working playing with mplayer avis and stuff like that what do u type in for playing avis? and whick mplayer do u use? |
| 14:23:16 | warmi | let me point you guys to amazon reference for it . |
| 14:23:24 | Junxster | chouimat: it's only a matter of time :) |
| 14:23:27 | ljp | why the cookie? |
| 14:23:28 | kergoth | warmi: ARM ARM? :-) i still need to buy that |
| 14:23:28 | chouimat | Sugar: make me a capuccino |
| 14:23:29 | Sugar | pours some capuccino from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to chouimat. |
| 14:23:30 | scanline | mod: "u" isn't a pronoun |
| 14:23:33 | kergoth | morning ljp |
| 14:23:37 | ljp | hi |
| 14:23:40 | imm | sugar make me a Zaurus |
| 14:23:52 | mark | hi ljp |
| 14:23:53 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: what was causing it |
| 14:23:54 | scanline | sugar make me an arm-linux-gcc |
| 14:24:01 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: *stupid* bug |
| 14:24:04 | numatrix | mod: I type "mplayer filename.avi" and it works... You might want to do this: mplayer filename.avi >/dev/null 2>/dev/null |
| 14:24:06 | chouimat | Junxster: but with the database on a desktop linux system not on Windows |
| 14:24:11 | imm | Sugar: shut up |
| 14:24:14 | Sugar | No, you shut up! |
| 14:24:18 | numatrix | mod: That prevents the output to the console which sometimes makes the image flicker if you're running it from a terminal. |
| 14:24:21 | imm | bah |
| 14:24:21 | warmi | uh .. I don't think they have it anymore .. I can't find it |
| 14:24:27 | roge99_laptop | i updateed last night .. when was it fixed |
| 14:24:35 | imm | sugar learn to make Zaurus |
| 14:24:41 | warmi | kergoth: yeah .. that's the one .. the "blue " one |
| 14:24:41 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: it only created /var/spool/at/trigger on full reset... but /var gets wiped on reboot... and when atd gets started without the pipe, it creates it,... but as a regular file, not a pipe! |
| 14:24:41 | numatrix | warmi: As far as the nes compile goes... Let me query you and do it out as I go... |
| 14:24:42 | mod | numatrix: FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver! |
| 14:24:42 | mod | FATAL: Couldn't initialize video filters (-vop) or video output (-vo) ! |
| 14:24:52 | kergoth | roge99_laptop its not in athe feeed just yet |
| 14:24:54 | scanline | sugar make me a debian |
| 14:24:56 | warmi | numatrix: well, I think I had some issues with SDL |
| 14:24:58 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 14:25:06 | warmi | I never compiled a single SDL app before |
| 14:25:09 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: for now the startup script creates it |
| 14:25:11 | warmi | I don't like SDL :-) |
| 14:25:16 | scanline | warmi: SDL is cool! |
| 14:25:17 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: but i'd like to just add a mknod() to atd |
| 14:25:19 | numatrix | mod: you installed the ipk from the link above on your zaurus and that's what it said? |
| 14:25:20 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: heh |
| 14:25:22 | numatrix | scanline: definitely. :-) |
| 14:25:27 | scanline | hugs SDL |
| 14:25:39 | numatrix | warmi: Yeah, I got the cvs and built it for the zaurus pretty easily. That might be the best first step. |
| 14:25:43 | scanline | fast, portable, and easy to use.. what more could you want? |
| 14:25:44 | mod | numatrix: ? |
| 14:25:56 | mod | numatrix: which link |
| 14:25:58 | whardier | this is way faster |
| 14:25:58 | numatrix | mod: Are you trying to get mplayer working on a zaurus or a desktop? |
| 14:25:58 | whardier | heh |
| 14:26:03 | imm | scanline: can i code sdl in c++ ? |
| 14:26:04 | numatrix | zsibot: search zsi for mplayer |
| 14:26:04 | zsibot | Debug: recent=0, query='mplayer' |
| 14:26:05 | warmi | anyway .... I looked at the code .. I think I know what is wrong with the display |
| 14:26:05 | zsibot | mplayer 0.90pre5 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=353 |
| 14:26:05 | numatrix | mod: that one |
| 14:26:08 | mod | numatrix: on zaurus |
| 14:26:11 | whardier | mplayer is too slow to play 320x240 25fps 400kbps video |
| 14:26:12 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: oh fbvncserver works. its start/stop scripts were lame, i fixed em up a bit.. they would kill opie instead of fbvncserver..misgrep'd.. lol |
| 14:26:27 | KGBudz | is there a CTRL button on the z |
| 14:26:31 | mod | numatrix: i have install it but it doesn't work |
| 14:26:32 | KGBudz | or anyway to emulate it |
| 14:26:32 | warmi | it writes directly to screen buffer I think ... and therefore ends up not being rotated |
| 14:26:35 | scanline | imm: yes.. extern "C" { #include <SDL/SDL.h> } |
| 14:26:39 | numatrix | whardier: Yeah, but it plays a number of small video clips I had sitting around excellently. Killer Bean looks good on it after I down-sized it. |
| 14:27:03 | chouimat | is beginning to feel a little nervous |
| 14:27:08 | numatrix | warmi: Gotcha. So I need to remap those to sdl calls... sdl does the rotation. |
| 14:27:18 | roge99_laptop | ha ... |
| 14:27:24 | warmi | oh: that is the book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201737191/ref=pd_sr_ec_ir_b//103-0310361-2319000?s=books |
| 14:27:35 | imm | scanline: or are there some helper C-functions for String, containers ... ? |
| 14:27:37 | numatrix | warmi: cool, thanks. |
| 14:27:39 | roge99_laptop | is it in your feed ? |
| 14:27:51 | warmi | numatrix: the problem is that .. if you do write to backbuffer then it is going to get slow |
| 14:27:57 | imm | chouimat: about bosch ? |
| 14:28:07 | chouimat | imm: no about z |
| 14:28:08 | warmi | for SDL will have to flip( blit) that buffer to the screen |
| 14:28:08 | scanline | imm: there's glib I guess |
| 14:28:18 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: not yet, i just installed ljp's openzaurus fbvncserver ipk and hammered it till it worked. i need to add it to the buildsystem now |
| 14:28:27 | roge99_laptop | ok |
| 14:28:30 | JasonNJ | cool. |
| 14:28:35 | imm | chouimat: why ? |
| 14:28:39 | warmi | anywa .. try to .. make it work with memory buffer just to make sure that this is the problem .. |
| 14:28:41 | numatrix | warmi: it works well enough for the gameboy emulator... I'd be happy even playing it rotated though; could get larger resolution. |
| 14:28:42 | roge99_laptop | hey JasonNJ how goes it |
| 14:28:44 | scanline | imm: there are standard library functions for strings of course, but none that hold your hand as much as the String class |
| 14:28:46 | JasonNJ | ljp has been cleaning up Fastolfe's code? |
| 14:28:59 | chouimat | imm: it's a dos driver that make the interface card working. so it's normal that won't work in 98/ME/2000/NT etc ... |
| 14:29:01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: just the packaging, as i understand it |
| 14:29:12 | chouimat | imm: because that waiting kill me |
| 14:29:12 | JasonNJ | we should continue to develop it |
| 14:29:18 | kergoth | indeed |
| 14:29:19 | mod | numatrix: could you send me you libncurses.so.4 |
| 14:29:29 | roge99_laptop | JasonNJ: they were discussing the ir port on the z yesterday .... what was the range on it ? |
| 14:29:32 | kergoth | mod: what rom are you on? |
| 14:29:43 | JasonNJ | roge: not fat, only a few inches |
| 14:29:45 | JasonNJ | er not far |
| 14:29:47 | mod | kergoth: 1.3 |
| 14:29:53 | roge99_laptop | thats what i thought |
| 14:29:58 | numatrix | mod: sure, gimme a sec, I gotta get my Z on the network. |
| 14:30:01 | kergoth | mod: ah. doesnt teh sharp rom include libncurses4? |
| 14:30:01 | Harlekin | whardier: ping |
| 14:30:05 | kergoth | hey Harlekin |
| 14:30:16 | Harlekin | hi kergoth |
| 14:30:17 | kergoth | man, this chan is hoppin today |
| 14:30:22 | imm | scanline: i think i stick to qtcanvas for my shitty games |
| 14:30:31 | warmi | kergoth: yeah .. strange considering it is Monday |
| 14:30:33 | kergoth | indeed |
| 14:30:36 | kergoth | and morning no less |
| 14:30:53 | scanline | imm: if you only care about running on Qtopia, then that's a good way to go. SDL is awesome for portability though |
| 14:31:05 | imm | kergoth: there are people who get their ass up :) |
| 14:31:11 | kergoth | scanline: if he wants canvasing, he can use evas ;-) |
| 14:31:14 | kergoth | scanline heheh |
| 14:31:17 | numatrix | mod: You should have that installed by default... |
| 14:31:19 | scanline | mmmm evas |
| 14:31:30 | warmi | the problem I find with sdl is that it enforces its own even queue etc ... |
| 14:31:31 | kergoth | especially now that it works with qtopia |
| 14:31:32 | mod | numatrix: could you send me you libncurses.so.4 |
| 14:31:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:31:38 | imm | scanline: qtcanvas works on mac, win and linux |
| 14:31:42 | warmi | what I need is a blitting lib not entire framework :-) |
| 14:31:49 | numatrix | mod: it's a symlink to libncurses.so.4.2 Do you have that? |
| 14:31:57 | mod | numatrix: Novas007 |
| 14:31:58 | scanline | imm: but only in Qt |
| 14:32:01 | mod | numatrix: no |
| 14:32:11 | scanline | warmi: so SDL's good for that :) |
| 14:32:15 | numatrix | mod: Umm, Novas007? Huh? |
| 14:32:23 | kergoth | imm: i'd advise you look at evas if you're concerned about canvasing and portability |
| 14:32:27 | kergoth | imm: or sdl |
| 14:32:34 | kergoth | heh :-) |
| 14:32:54 | treke | evas is probably a better bet if you want a regular windowed app |
| 14:32:56 | scanline | bringing in an entire GUI just for some blitting isn't really portability... |
| 14:33:04 | kergoth | treke: yeah exactly |
| 14:33:13 | numatrix | mod: http://d0pe.com/jordan/libncurses.so.4.2 |
| 14:33:13 | warmi | scanline: I already have my own blitting code fro rotating blit which is faster then SDL one :-) |
| 14:33:20 | warmi | so I don't need it |
| 14:33:32 | numatrix | treke: especially since sdl doesn't work in windowed mode on the z yet. |
| 14:33:32 | warmi | but I will use their SDL-mixer part |
| 14:33:33 | imm | kergoth: evas seems to be a bit early, and i hate STL ... |
| 14:33:39 | kergoth | imm: early? |
| 14:33:42 | treke | numatrix: exactly :) |
| 14:33:45 | scanline | wonders if he could talk warmi into using his mad ARM skillz on picogui's primitives.... |
| 14:33:48 | warmi | cause I understand it works great and since I know nothing about sound I have to rely on it |
| 14:33:50 | mod | numatrix: could you also symlink please? |
| 14:33:58 | imm | kergoth: isnt evas the E canvas ? |
| 14:34:01 | scanline | warmi: what zaurus software did you write? |
| 14:34:03 | kergoth | imm: its a canvasing library, not a library with collection classes and the like, as i understand it |
| 14:34:04 | kergoth | imm: yes |
| 14:34:12 | treke | numatrix: and I doubt neo will add it, so unless someone else does, it wont get done :) |
| 14:34:16 | kergoth | imm: the canvas used in e17, which is being rewritten |
| 14:34:24 | numatrix | mod: you make your own: cd /lib; ln -s libncurses.so.4.2 libncurses.so.4 |
| 14:34:25 | kergoth | imm: it just gained qtopia support |
| 14:34:25 | imm | kergoth: so it has yet to be released |
| 14:34:28 | warmi | scanline: I can sent you the code for rotating / non-rotating blit written in ARM asm .. you can create your own blits off of that |
| 14:34:37 | JasonNJ | kergoth: raster has a Z now |
| 14:34:41 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i know |
| 14:34:44 | warmi | once you see examples how ARM asm works .. it will be easy |
| 14:34:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: he committed the qtopia support to E cvs |
| 14:34:54 | JasonNJ | oh really? |
| 14:34:57 | imm | kergoth: E on Z would be cool |
| 14:34:57 | JasonNJ | when did he do that? |
| 14:34:57 | warmi | scanline: http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/ |
| 14:35:06 | scanline | warmi: thanks |
| 14:35:13 | mod | numatrix: its the same FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver! FATAL: Couldn't initialize video filters (-vop) or video output (-vo) ! |
| 14:35:20 | JasonNJ | so he's doing like a micro-E for qtopia? |
| 14:35:25 | scanline | I prolly won't get around to doing anything with it soon, since picogui's already plenty fast enough for the Zaurus |
| 14:35:49 | warmi | yeah .. C code is generally fast enough |
| 14:36:06 | scanline | the blits aren't really optimized though |
| 14:36:23 | scanline | they're just tight loops in C... no unrolling, and in most cases I have them making 16-bit transfers instead of 32-bit |
| 14:36:28 | warmi | where asm is most usefull is specialized blits and emulating code |
| 14:36:40 | scanline | picogui does have some specialized blits... |
| 14:36:43 | warmi | line in nes emu etc .. |
| 14:36:59 | warmi | well, if your C code is well written you are not going to get much speedup |
| 14:37:07 | warmi | SDL rotatin blit is optimized in C |
| 14:37:09 | scanline | there are two types for tiling bitmaps, one for text.. there's alpha blending and a dozen other compositing modes |
| 14:37:43 | scanline | yea.. it's fast enough, and there are more important things for me to worry about (snes9x :) |
| 14:37:44 | warmi | and it does entire screen in 8 ms ... my asm blit does it in 7 ms so not much difference .. but if you need couple of more frames per sec it is usefull :-) |
| 14:38:26 | warmi | you gonna rewrite snes9x in asm ? |
| 14:38:29 | warmi | arm asm that is ? |
| 14:38:38 | scanline | no |
| 14:38:57 | warmi | oh so you are just porting it to picoGui right ? |
| 14:38:59 | scanline | but I've been thinking about profiling it and sprinkling some arm ASM or other optimization in to make it more playable |
| 14:39:04 | scanline | yeah, that too |
| 14:39:12 | scanline | I dunno if I'll do it though, I already have enough to do |
| 14:39:19 | warmi | main thing would be to get main emulation loop written in asm |
| 14:39:23 | scanline | but I'd love to be able to play Mario RPG on my Zaurus :) |
| 14:39:33 | scanline | (without X) |
| 14:39:36 | warmi | it most likely still is using bunch of case statements |
| 14:39:54 | scanline | yea |
| 14:39:56 | noooone | Heya all |
| 14:40:11 | warmi | if you could get it to use ARM asm + jump table , that would speed it up at least 2 or 3 times |
| 14:40:20 | scanline | warmi: so.. the snes9x port is still in my list of things that I don't have time to do but I might anyway to procrastinate something else :) |
| 14:40:22 | Wintre | Any recommendations for a simple Qtopia spreadsheet? |
| 14:40:43 | imm | Wintre: hancom ? |
| 14:40:50 | warmi | what are you coding now scanline ? |
| 14:41:22 | noooone | Hey doods... I got problems with flashing my Zaurus with Openzaurus... |
| 14:41:32 | scanline | warmi: I need to work on picogui's textbox widget, I'd like to get it working usefully on the zaurus, plus I have school now (not sure how hard my classes will be, they're just starting) |
| 14:42:07 | scanline | warmi: I've had trouble coding much of anything the last couple weeks though... |
| 14:42:14 | warmi | scanline: you are in college ? |
| 14:42:14 | Wintre | imm: Any others? |
| 14:42:17 | scanline | warmi: yes |
| 14:42:20 | noooone | I think I made all fine, but when I try to flash it, my LED´s are blinking... not lighting... |
| 14:42:24 | warmi | first year ? |
| 14:42:27 | scanline | warmi: I'm 18, in my second year |
| 14:42:45 | warmi | second year at 18 ? |
| 14:42:52 | warmi | oh well .. |
| 14:42:56 | warmi | it is US after all |
| 14:43:02 | warmi | computer Science ? |
| 14:43:14 | scanline | computer engineering, though I may change majors to CS.. haven't decided |
| 14:43:31 | scanline | I like computer engineering, but I'm really no good at analog electronics |
| 14:43:59 | scanline | I love digital electronics though.. I built a space invaders game entirely in hardware last semester.. joystick, VGA display, and all |
| 14:44:11 | warmi | heheh |
| 14:44:17 | noooone | :( |
| 14:44:31 | scanline | 6-bit graphics :) |
| 14:44:35 | ljp | build a tempest game |
| 14:44:44 | noooone | Can anyone send me a howto of the OZ flashing? pls :( |
| 14:44:44 | warmi | I personally like computers only as purely "abstract" concept I can work with using some programming language |
| 14:44:53 | warmi | I don't like playing with hardware :-) |
| 14:45:14 | scanline | warmi: I like to stay close to the hardware.. might be why I don't like stuff like Java and C++ as much as C and ASM |
| 14:45:29 | JasonNJ | noone: you need to put bootflag.txt, initrd.bin and zImage on the CF and do the normal flash procedure |
| 14:45:38 | warmi | well, I am talking about physically playing with hardware .. creating circuits etc .. |
| 14:45:42 | noooone | yes... |
| 14:45:47 | JasonNJ | and the files have to be named that way |
| 14:45:51 | warmi | I don't mind writing low level code |
| 14:45:58 | warmi | but it has to be code :-) |
| 14:45:58 | noooone | flash procedure: hold c and d and press total reset... |
| 14:45:59 | noooone | I did that... |
| 14:46:02 | scanline | warmi: yeah. I've done a handful of electronics projects on my own that actually amounted to something |
| 14:46:13 | JasonNJ | you need to rename zImage-whatever to zImage |
| 14:46:14 | noooone | but my leds are blinking... |
| 14:46:17 | scanline | warmi: recently I built a pretty spiffy case mod, 72 LEDs with 16-level brightness control |
| 14:46:21 | noooone | did that too... |
| 14:46:42 | noooone | on my cf are bootflag.txt; initrd.bin and zImage |
| 14:46:44 | scanline | warmi: though now with FPGAs you can work with circuits almost as if they're software |
| 14:46:47 | noooone | correct? |
| 14:46:48 | JasonNJ | you need to make sure the CF card is formatted FAT-16 |
| 14:46:56 | JasonNJ | yes thats correct |
| 14:46:58 | noooone | its vfat... |
| 14:47:03 | noooone | is that fat16? |
| 14:47:20 | JasonNJ | fat-16 is type 6 in fdisk |
| 14:47:22 | warmi | scanline: yeah .... I saw it |
| 14:47:25 | noooone | although i did that yesterday too... |
| 14:47:39 | noooone | I reformatted it in fat16... |
| 14:47:45 | scanline | warmi: oh yeah.. I have a bad memory |
| 14:47:53 | noooone | can anyone tell me exactly how many bytes the file have? |
| 14:48:01 | noooone | maybe on of my downloaded files is corrupt? |
| 14:48:14 | endr_ | just got zaurus contest entry receipt confirmation -- awesome |
| 14:48:26 | JasonNJ | noone: you need to compare it with size on openzaurus.org |
| 14:48:34 | warmi | endr_: that basically means you are getting 5000d ? |
| 14:48:39 | noooone | okay, I´ll try laters... |
| 14:48:40 | JasonNJ | make sure you can flash 2.38 first |
| 14:48:43 | noooone | bbl to eat |
| 14:49:51 | imm | endr_: me too |
| 14:49:59 | endr_ | warmi: no, just a confirmation they received my entry...heh that would be the jackpot |
| 14:50:03 | KGBudz | how are you supposed to emulate a CTRL+Q? |
| 14:50:05 | endr_ | imm: cool |
| 14:50:07 | KGBudz | Fn+Q? |
| 14:50:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:50:31 | whardier | hi |
| 14:50:32 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9808.png |
| 14:50:44 | imm | endr_: i would love to see the accept confirmation :) |
| 14:50:45 | scanline | whardier: it doesn't look slow in the scaps :) |
| 14:50:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:50:57 | endr_ | imm: ditto! |
| 14:51:05 | whardier | scanline: I got it to work well |
| 14:51:07 | endr_ | imm: heard anyone get one yet? |
| 14:51:07 | whardier | at 15fps |
| 14:51:07 | JasonNJ | I could never get into Farscape |
| 14:51:09 | whardier | 240x176 |
| 14:51:14 | JasonNJ | characters just didnt grab me |
| 14:51:15 | whardier | streaming incoming divx's |
| 14:51:15 | scanline | whardier: neeto |
| 14:51:24 | whardier | even w/ audio |
| 14:51:29 | whardier | what I would not give for more ram |
| 14:51:33 | imm | endr_: yes, from 2 yet |
| 14:51:40 | JasonNJ | whardier: do some Trek and B5 ones |
| 14:51:46 | chouimat | JasonNJ: the sceond season of Farscape begin tonight (in french) |
| 14:51:56 | whardier | JasonNJ: I don't have any |
| 14:51:59 | whardier | actually |
| 14:52:06 | whardier | I can get a scap for star trek first contact |
| 14:52:06 | whardier | heh |
| 14:52:25 | JasonNJ | what I really want are DVD's of Blakes 7 |
| 14:52:33 | JasonNJ | since you can never catch it on tv anymore |
| 14:52:45 | JasonNJ | and Red Dwarf DVDs |
| 14:53:27 | Bender | do they have dvds of red dwarf? |
| 14:53:52 | uncon | is away, g00n (l!on) : os/bx |
| 14:54:18 | scanline | has red dwarf, but not high quality |
| 14:54:49 | endr_ | imm: lucky |
| 14:54:59 | kergoth | re |
| 14:55:16 | whardier | bloody bitchnuggets! |
| 14:55:32 | Bender | scanline: on ftp? |
| 14:55:32 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 14:55:46 | scanline | Bender: https or rsync |
| 14:55:46 | whardier | kergoth: I was just about to get scaps of first contact |
| 14:55:51 | whardier | and my controlling terminal died |
| 14:56:02 | JasonNJ | Bender: i dont think so yet. |
| 14:56:05 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 14:56:08 | whardier | runs to get the mail |
| 14:56:44 | warmi | . |
| 14:56:54 | JasonNJ | I would imagine they are working on the RD dvd's , cause the actors walked off teh set of the movie and they never finished prodcution |
| 14:58:13 | treke | JasonNJ: they are |
| 14:58:23 | roge99_laptop | is away: lunck |
| 14:58:34 | Bender | so the movie isn't happening? |
| 14:58:38 | treke | expected release is November 4th |
| 15:02:26 | tux_mike | gah |
| 15:05:27 | kergoth | roge99_laptop, others: new atd in the feed should fix the time/date loss issue |
| 15:05:31 | whardier | about every day.. (including today) I hear behind my back "doesn't that guy look like XXX".. If I had no idea what they were talking about.. I might feel a little degraded |
| 15:07:00 | ljp | they are saying.. doesnt that guy look like some convict? |
| 15:07:13 | scanline | is away: foodlike substances |
| 15:07:35 | ljp | you kinda look like that guy driving on that pepsi commercial |
| 15:08:05 | whardier | ? |
| 15:08:26 | ljp | or whatever soda that is.. |
| 15:08:41 | whardier | sees * scanline/#zaurus is away: foodlike substances.. then reads * scanline/#zaurus is away: domestic food disturbances |
| 15:08:50 | ljp | driving.. car does a twirl mid air, the guy grabs soda through the sunroof |
| 15:08:55 | whardier | oh |
| 15:08:55 | whardier | hah |
| 15:08:58 | whardier | mtn dew |
| 15:09:02 | ljp | ya thats it |
| 15:09:07 | whardier | grr |
| 15:09:46 | ljp | or maybe they think you lok like one of the guys from nsyn, or the beastie boys |
| 15:09:59 | ljp | :D |
| 15:10:08 | whardier | w3rd |
| 15:10:11 | whardier | or moby! |
| 15:10:30 | ljp | definately not Ozzy |
| 15:10:34 | | benmeyer_sharp was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 36 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: in the howtos [Mon Aug 26 14:34:26 2002] |
| 15:10:34 | _solaris_ | ibot: seen benmeyer_sharp |
| 15:10:35 | whardier | he has hair |
| 15:10:37 | whardier | and a wife |
| 15:10:38 | whardier | and kids |
| 15:10:41 | whardier | fat ones |
| 15:11:11 | W|GGL|T | doesn't like vin diesel all that much |
| 15:11:13 | Bender | wife or kids? |
| 15:11:26 | whardier | both |
| 15:11:33 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:11:46 | whardier | W|GGL|T: Heh.. here is my life story |
| 15:12:00 | whardier | as a young man.. I grew up depraved of all social skillz |
| 15:12:14 | whardier | then one day I struck out to the public |
| 15:12:17 | whardier | and from that day on |
| 15:12:22 | whardier | I looked like somebody else |
| 15:12:33 | whardier | and people had no problem telling me |
| 15:12:39 | whardier | I have been Russ on friends |
| 15:12:39 | ljp | maybe you are a shape shifter |
| 15:12:40 | whardier | Neo |
| 15:12:43 | whardier | Vin |
| 15:12:50 | whardier | So many shapes and sizes |
| 15:12:52 | whardier | that are nothing like me |
| 15:12:55 | whardier | but I am them! |
| 15:12:59 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:13:09 | whardier | I had a huge leather trench |
| 15:13:13 | kergoth | you need help, my friend. but then,, dont we all |
| 15:13:14 | whardier | therefore |
| 15:13:15 | whardier | I am neo |
| 15:13:16 | ljp | you look like Neuman on Seinfield |
| 15:13:23 | whardier | dude |
| 15:13:25 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:13:28 | whardier | that is one shape and size I cannot fathom |
| 15:14:24 | whardier | has burned 26 movies to CD in the last few days |
| 15:14:42 | whardier | and freed up atleast 16 gigs doing it |
| 15:14:56 | whardier | now to do the same with my mp3's |
| 15:15:02 | numatrix | Rock on! Nes emulator is working.... |
| 15:15:06 | numatrix | does a happy dance... |
| 15:15:13 | whardier | numatrix looks like neo |
| 15:15:20 | whardier | see the resembalence? |
| 15:15:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:15:33 | kergoth | hey oGMo |
| 15:15:40 | whardier | anyhoot.. I have always looked like somebody else.. |
| 15:15:45 | whardier | so as a movie premieres.. I am hip |
| 15:15:54 | whardier | and then from that premiere on |
| 15:15:57 | whardier | I am somebody else |
| 15:16:05 | whardier | it suxors |
| 15:16:17 | whardier | Does neo have a beard!.. |
| 15:16:19 | whardier | NO |
| 15:16:23 | whardier | NO.. I WILL NOT SIGN YOUR BREASTS! |
| 15:16:39 | whardier | get that ass cheek away from me! |
| 15:16:41 | kergoth | whardier: um, let me restate, you definately need help |
| 15:16:43 | kergoth | whardier: heheh |
| 15:16:58 | W|GGL|T | just pre-ordered the blade 2 dvd |
| 15:17:05 | whardier | you know how scared people are when I walk into a 711 now? |
| 15:17:15 | whardier | I should sue |
| 15:17:22 | numatrix | btw; I assume -mcpu=arm is redundant for arm-linux-gcc, right? |
| 15:17:29 | kolla | how do one measure scaryness? :) |
| 15:17:32 | kergoth | numatrix: yeah |
| 15:17:39 | numatrix | kergoth: k, thanks. |
| 15:17:39 | whardier | kolla: urine samples on jeans |
| 15:17:52 | numatrix | whardier: frequency of, or volume of individual samples? |
| 15:17:58 | whardier | heh |
| 15:18:01 | W|GGL|T | measuring scariness: scream factor |
| 15:18:05 | whardier | lets let mr science take it from here |
| 15:18:09 | W|GGL|T | or what whardier said |
| 15:18:20 | kolla | whardier: nah, people can achieve that without being scared |
| 15:18:30 | whardier | HAH! |
| 15:18:34 | whardier | <MattOly> Hey hardwire: I'm sending you my girlfriend |
| 15:18:50 | whardier | not many people pop into IRC.. just to tell me to expect their gf |
| 15:18:58 | oGMo | sup kergoth |
| 15:19:19 | kergoth | oGMo: i wanted to tell you or ask you something about your build stuff, but i no longer remember what it was, so i'll be quiet now |
| 15:19:28 | kergoth | whardier: lol |
| 15:19:35 | oGMo | kergoth: oh yeah you said something about autogen not testing the right binary, but i'm not sure how since it seems to here |
| 15:19:56 | W|GGL|T | viking 128mb smartmedia card, $49 |
| 15:20:01 | kolla | kergoth: where is the ppp stuff located if it isnt in the default oz? |
| 15:20:06 | oGMo | like if i say AUTOMAKE=automake-fooble ./autogen it immediately complains it doesn't exist |
| 15:20:24 | whardier | I need to reinstall debian on one of my machines |
| 15:20:30 | whardier | I really don't want to |
| 15:20:42 | kergoth | oGMo: it complains during the test, or during the attempt to actually run it on the tree? |
| 15:20:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:20:49 | W|GGL|T | is viking good? |
| 15:20:51 | kergoth | whardier: why? |
| 15:20:58 | whardier | bad blocks |
| 15:21:08 | oGMo | well... hrm |
| 15:21:32 | whardier | hrmo |
| 15:21:40 | whardier | augh |
| 15:21:42 | whardier | kitty go away |
| 15:21:47 | whardier | your snuggles make me poof up! |
| 15:22:14 | oGMo | automake-1.6: processing Makefiles another time to fix them up. |
| 15:22:26 | oGMo | i rm'd 'automake' |
| 15:22:27 | ljp | poof up? thats just sick |
| 15:22:46 | oGMo | it doesn't seem to have an issue with running -1.6 |
| 15:22:53 | kergoth | oGMo: okay, just checking |
| 15:23:21 | oGMo | yah and if i touch Makefile.am it runs it too |
| 15:23:31 | whardier | ooooh |
| 15:23:35 | oGMo | kergoth, i'm not sure what would happen if i had an _old_ automake though |
| 15:23:43 | kolla | "Not downgrading package opieftp from 1.5.12 to 0.9.1-20020823" |
| 15:23:55 | kolla | what is that? |
| 15:24:14 | kergoth | kolla: sounds like you installed opieftp from the ZZ feed rather than the OZ opie feeds |
| 15:24:17 | kergoth | dunno |
| 15:24:19 | oGMo | but as far as autogen is concerned, it ought to be running what you tell it, and afaik it's automake's responsibility to propagate the proper binary into stuff after that |
| 15:24:23 | kolla | kergoth: probably |
| 15:24:52 | oGMo | and i'll figure out how to stream the moc/uic stuff before too long ;) |
| 15:24:56 | oGMo | 'streamline |
| 15:26:21 | noooone | rehy all... |
| 15:26:37 | Novas007 | erm, did someone need me, or was it a mistab? |
| 15:26:51 | noooone | Can anybody say me why my LED´s blink instead of lighting? |
| 15:26:52 | Novas007 | it scrolled off the buffer, and i don't feel like looking at the log |
| 15:27:05 | noooone | at the flashing process... |
| 15:27:36 | ljp | 1) not plugged in to power 2) wrong filesystem on cf |
| 15:27:49 | noooone | Power is in |
| 15:27:53 | ljp | 3) file corrupted |
| 15:28:06 | noooone | oh man... |
| 15:28:08 | kergoth | 4) pressing more keys than just c+d, at least for some :-) |
| 15:28:17 | ljp | hmm |
| 15:28:21 | noooone | thats so ... damnit |
| 15:28:26 | noooone | I´ll try again... |
| 15:28:41 | noooone | how to reformat my cf card? |
| 15:28:53 | tux_mike | kergoth: i figured out another solution to my distro problem :) |
| 15:29:15 | kergoth | tux_mike whats that? |
| 15:29:37 | noooone | Question: how do I format my CF card in the filesystem what I need to do a flash? |
| 15:29:58 | sjohnson | noooone: It needs to be FAT |
| 15:30:00 | jmh|class | you need the vfat fs on your cf card |
| 15:30:09 | noooone | I got VFat on it... |
| 15:30:16 | noooone | what else could be wrong :((( |
| 15:30:23 | Com[Plex | anyone get the remote thing working on the z? |
| 15:30:46 | jmh|class | noooone: make sure the filenames are correct |
| 15:30:49 | imm | re |
| 15:30:55 | Com[Plex | I made soem fixed packages for the module and the apps, but I still get a "cannot connect to socket" error |
| 15:31:04 | sjohnson | filenames names incorrect. Or files being corrupted. |
| 15:31:05 | ljp | not vfat.. it needs to be fat16.. msdos |
| 15:31:06 | Com[Plex | I got the source for it, but I cant make it compile |
| 15:31:07 | VerxWork | hello everyone |
| 15:31:07 | Bender | I've been waiting patiently here all night... |
| 15:31:10 | noooone | they are correct... |
| 15:31:18 | noooone | should I redownload them? |
| 15:31:20 | Bender | I thought everyone had given up |
| 15:31:30 | ljp | not vfat |
| 15:31:36 | imm | VerxWork: still in love qith your Z :) |
| 15:31:38 | Com[Plex | I put them online here, http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/fixed_lirc_files/ |
| 15:31:41 | kolla | libuuid1 |
| 15:31:44 | kolla | anyone got that? |
| 15:31:47 | jmh|class | ljp: really? i coulda sworn |
| 15:31:53 | kergoth | kolla: its part of e2fsprogs |
| 15:31:53 | VerxWork | imm: Yes and no |
| 15:31:56 | VerxWork | I am in love with my Z |
| 15:31:57 | kergoth | kolla: why do you need it? |
| 15:32:01 | Bender | :) I was just joking |
| 15:32:02 | VerxWork | but there is a serious qpe bug I want fixed |
| 15:32:05 | noooone | why not vfat? |
| 15:32:08 | VerxWork | it will double the speed of my Z when it is fixed |
| 15:32:14 | VerxWork | so I want that pretty badly just now |
| 15:32:18 | Bender | I'm guessing that the remote doesn't work? |
| 15:32:22 | kolla | kergoth: something is complaining.. let's see... |
| 15:32:27 | tux_mike | kergoth: i'm gonna hack redhat to the point where it's a stripped down desktop, no extra crap :) |
| 15:32:31 | ljp | noooone: it has to be msdos filesystem to flash |
| 15:32:33 | imm | VerxWork: whats wrong ? |
| 15:32:35 | kergoth | kolla: none of the packages in my feed should depend on it... i can check.. |
| 15:32:48 | VerxWork | imm: After a suspend/resume, qpe takes 100% of the cpu |
| 15:32:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: heh. or you could start with a bare debian box and only install what you need :-) |
| 15:32:54 | VerxWork | so everything runs like crap until you resume |
| 15:32:55 | kolla | opie-taskbar |
| 15:33:01 | kergoth | kolla: what feeds? |
| 15:33:02 | VerxWork | kergoth: Just fyi, the new feed didn't fix anything |
| 15:33:05 | noooone | how do I format my filesystem? |
| 15:33:11 | kergoth | VerxWork: yeah i saw your mail |
| 15:33:14 | VerxWork | kergoth: so I talked to the opie folks directly |
| 15:33:14 | VerxWork | oh, ok |
| 15:33:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:33:33 | tux_mike | kergoth: 1. i don't like .deb files, 2. i prefer how redhat *did* things :) |
| 15:33:34 | ljp | mkdosfs /dev/hda1 or something |
| 15:33:38 | VerxWork | kergoth: I figured by now you would have my email on autodelete |
| 15:33:43 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe, valid reasons |
| 15:33:48 | kergoth | VerxWork: hehe. nah |
| 15:33:49 | VerxWork | ljp: Do you have any Z's with OZ on them? |
| 15:33:51 | kolla | kergoth: wox |
| 15:34:00 | jmh|class | bashes my.bgsu.edu |
| 15:34:02 | kergoth | kolla: ask mickey to fix his dependencies |
| 15:34:04 | jmh|class | im going for food |
| 15:34:08 | kergoth | kolla: just -force-depends it |
| 15:34:11 | ljp | yes, of course. you already knwo that |
| 15:34:18 | kergoth | kolla: you have it, its in the e2fsprogs package not in a package of its own |
| 15:34:30 | ljp | after resume.. application cpu goes to around 96% |
| 15:34:46 | Com[Plex | where can I get zgcc? |
| 15:34:56 | jmh|class | or .. not |
| 15:34:58 | ljp | no one would tell me if that also happened on ipaq/opie |
| 15:35:03 | jmhodges | is back (gone 03:27:16) |
| 15:35:06 | tux_mike | kergoth: with my modifications, i'm creating a more, dare i say, windows like environment, where, the first disc you have just the OS/destkop, next disc will be the development, and so on and so forth. :) |
| 15:35:09 | kolla | kergoth: ok |
| 15:35:16 | tux_mike | well, the old windows idea :) |
| 15:35:40 | noooone | how can I check if my card is reformatted now?! |
| 15:36:15 | VerxWork | ljp: Well, Groucho tried with his ipaq and had no such problem |
| 15:36:15 | noooone | mount says that the FS is vfat... |
| 15:36:22 | VerxWork | so I don't think opie on the ipaq has the issue |
| 15:36:28 | VerxWork | but that is only one datapoint |
| 15:36:42 | VerxWork | I think I am going to redo my old ipaq 3650 today with opie |
| 15:36:46 | noooone | mkdosfs /dev/hda1... is the card now OK to flash?! |
| 15:36:49 | VerxWork | I will see what it ends up with |
| 15:36:54 | VerxWork | maybe it will have the problem too |
| 15:37:19 | sjohnson | noooone: yes. it is |
| 15:37:26 | noooone | ok... |
| 15:37:32 | VerxWork | ljp: Mathew Harrell sent me an email: |
| 15:37:33 | VerxWork | Does this problem occur under Opie too? I just installed 0.6pre1 with Opie |
| 15:37:33 | VerxWork | on here and I noticed that qpe was running at 98% of the cpu. |
| 15:37:38 | ljp | noooone you could make sure its fat16 by mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 15:37:42 | kolla | kergoth: what is lacking to get ppp going? |
| 15:37:48 | VerxWork | so perhaps it does happen with opie on ipaq |
| 15:38:01 | kergoth | kolla: pppd :-) |
| 15:38:10 | ljp | so it may be an openzaurus issue |
| 15:38:28 | noooone | do i need to umount first or not? |
| 15:38:33 | kolla | only find this.. |
| 15:38:35 | kolla | opie-windows2000-ppp-scripts - PPP configuration file needed for Windows 2000 and syncing |
| 15:38:55 | kergoth | kolla: um, pppd *IS* required and *isnt* in the openzaurus feed |
| 15:38:58 | ljp | yes, umount first |
| 15:38:59 | endr_ | VerxWork: had that prob before with sharp rom and opie packages...it was a minor opie package doing something weird...I can dig out which one was the problem if you want |
| 15:39:00 | kergoth | kolla: grab it from ipkgfind |
| 15:39:05 | kolla | ok |
| 15:39:11 | VerxWork | ENDR! |
| 15:39:11 | kolla | where's that again? :) |
| 15:39:12 | VerxWork | YES |
| 15:39:13 | VerxWork | YES |
| 15:39:22 | VerxWork | I would be so grateful! |
| 15:39:27 | endr_ | ok one minute |
| 15:39:34 | VerxWork | thanks so much |
| 15:39:48 | kergoth | kolla |
| 15:39:52 | | i heard ipkgfind was at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org or at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 15:39:52 | kolla | ibot ipkgfind |
| 15:39:55 | kergoth | ibot is your firend |
| 15:39:55 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:39:55 | noooone | do i need to umount first or not? |
| 15:39:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:40:07 | kolla | thought Id try it :) |
| 15:40:28 | | Test Failed! |
| 15:40:28 | noooone | ibot test |
| 15:40:30 | noooone | ;) |
| 15:41:11 | kolla | I just need the binary? |
| 15:41:23 | noooone | do i need to umount first or not? to reformat? |
| 15:41:27 | ljp | so far.. thats two ipaq/opie it does not exhibit that behaviour |
| 15:41:40 | ljp | nooone: umount |
| 15:41:44 | noooone | okay |
| 15:41:58 | ljp | I think |
| 15:42:00 | noooone | now I reformatted it... and now I´m downloading the files again... |
| 15:42:23 | VerxWork | then it could be a Z specific thing |
| 15:42:32 | noooone | is it right to get the: initrd-2.9.5.5.bin; bootflag.txt and the zImage-40-24? |
| 15:42:43 | VerxWork | I think I would delete about anything save qpe itself to solve this issue |
| 15:42:49 | VerxWork | I hope endr can find what it was |
| 15:42:50 | kergoth | noooone: did you rename dthem? |
| 15:42:51 | ljp | verx: an oz thing |
| 15:42:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:42:57 | noooone | yes... |
| 15:43:02 | VerxWork | ljp: Good point |
| 15:43:10 | endr_ | VerxWork: I believe it was task-opie-pim. I've successfully installed the following opie pkgs on the sharp rom as of three weeks ago without the cpu-hog problem: |
| 15:43:13 | noooone | I download them now again to make sure that they are not currupted... |
| 15:43:21 | endr_ | VerxWork: libopie opie-pics opie-netmonapplet opie-mediaplayer opie-datebook opie-embeddedkonsole opie-light-and-power opie-today opie-addressbook opie-textedit opie-todo opie-calculator opie-drawpad opie-keyboard opie-showimg opie-citytime opie-sysinfo opie-tabmanager |
| 15:43:22 | noooone | then I upload them with qtopia... |
| 15:43:31 | noooone | move them to the rootdir of the cf |
| 15:43:34 | VerxWork | endr_: Hrm. I don't have any of the opie pim apps installed tho |
| 15:43:36 | noooone | put off the pda |
| 15:43:39 | kergoth | endr_: the problem is the launcher, opie-taskbar, none of the apps are the issue |
| 15:43:44 | kergoth | most likely anyway |
| 15:43:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:43:46 | noooone | and try the flash procedure again |
| 15:43:50 | noooone | is that correct? |
| 15:43:59 | endr_ | with the sharp rom? I didn't think they should be used with the sharp rom? |
| 15:44:13 | kergoth | endr_: hm? |
| 15:44:21 | kergoth | endr_: verx's problem is with opie under OZ |
| 15:44:24 | VerxWork | endr_: I am on OZ |
| 15:44:32 | endr_ | verx/kerg: I've seen the cpu-hog problem with the sharp rom and opie pkgs...aha, that's not verx's prob... |
| 15:44:40 | whardier | alrighty |
| 15:44:41 | endr_ | verx/kerg: oh well |
| 15:44:44 | whardier | SHOWER TIME! |
| 15:44:45 | whardier | strips |
| 15:44:56 | VerxWork | ljp: And you have it on yours |
| 15:44:58 | VerxWork | I am amazed |
| 15:45:04 | VerxWork | for once I don't have a problem unique to me |
| 15:45:31 | noooone | hello? |
| 15:45:53 | whardier | <MattOly> Hardwire: Repeat: I'm sending you my girlfriend |
| 15:45:58 | whardier | <obso> MattOly: why? |
| 15:45:58 | whardier | <MattOly> cuz. We still owe hardwire some drinks for the Satanologo, and she's gonna be in colorado |
| 15:46:05 | whardier | heh! |
| 15:46:08 | whardier | with her single sister |
| 15:46:10 | whardier | oh well |
| 15:46:19 | whardier | looks like a trip to denver soon for whardier |
| 15:46:21 | jmhodges | lol |
| 15:46:31 | ljp | sister?! |
| 15:46:41 | Com[Plex | anyone able to get opie-remote working successfully? I made some fixed packages for the module and the apps, but I still get a "cannot connect to socket" error. http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/fixed_lirc_files/ |
| 15:46:59 | Com[Plex | that should say fixed_lirc_ipks actually. |
| 15:47:07 | whardier | newp |
| 15:47:28 | tux_mike | haven't tried |
| 15:47:29 | whardier | you make things bold |
| 15:47:31 | tux_mike | :) |
| 15:47:35 | whardier | you will get disreguarded in bould |
| 15:47:39 | whardier | bold |
| 15:47:43 | kolla | kergoth: which ipk should I use, the ones I have tried ends up in dependencies and conflicts :) |
| 15:47:44 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 15:47:48 | whardier | Com[Plex ! |
| 15:47:50 | whardier | heh |
| 15:47:51 | scanline | is back (gone 00:40:36) |
| 15:47:53 | Com[Plex | heheheheeh |
| 15:47:54 | kolla | from familiar and qpe |
| 15:48:05 | whardier | I need a big fat healthy belly |
| 15:48:16 | roge99_laptop | is back (gone 00:49:52) |
| 15:48:16 | kergoth | kolla: you're on your own |
| 15:48:20 | kergoth | kolla: i've never tested it |
| 15:48:26 | kergoth | kolla: its on my todo list, but not now |
| 15:48:35 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5758.png |
| 15:48:36 | whardier | bah |
| 15:49:12 | mark_ | whats a good way of making thumbnails of images? |
| 15:49:23 | kolla | kergoth: get those *utils ipks up so I can get a working developer system and compile myself again :) |
| 15:49:23 | whardier | load up something that uses .xvpics |
| 15:49:24 | whardier | heh |
| 15:49:44 | mark_ | whardier: heh :) |
| 15:50:20 | kergoth | kolla: thatd be cool. right now i'm adding the fbvncserver to the OZ feed |
| 15:50:26 | VerxWork | oh wow |
| 15:50:32 | VerxWork | on my work machine |
| 15:50:36 | VerxWork | with intellisync installed |
| 15:50:45 | VerxWork | pressing the sync button starts intellisync! |
| 15:50:47 | VerxWork | cool |
| 15:50:56 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:51:50 | whardier | remembers he pressed the sync button once |
| 15:51:51 | kergoth | VerxWork: SL-55500, OZ, latest opie. suspend, resume, plug into usb, ssh into it, run top, qpe using 17% cpu |
| 15:51:53 | whardier | that was a weird life |
| 15:51:57 | kergoth | s/55500/5500/ |
| 15:52:21 | VerxWork | kergoth: The one in the feed at this moment? |
| 15:52:29 | kergoth | VerxWork: yep |
| 15:52:46 | kergoth | VerxWork: could it have something to do with whatapps you're runining at the time, or something 5000d specific? |
| 15:52:48 | kergoth | VerxWork: hmmm |
| 15:52:54 | kergoth | VerxWork: ahaha |
| 15:52:55 | kolla | my craddle is back home somewhere.. never use it :) |
| 15:52:59 | VerxWork | might possibly be 5000d specific |
| 15:53:00 | whardier | I will soooon have all of farscape season 1 |
| 15:53:02 | whardier | won't it be grand! |
| 15:53:04 | kergoth | VerxWork: check this.. i had top running when i suspended |
| 15:53:11 | kergoth | VerxWork: and when i resumed, that top was using 95% cpu |
| 15:53:13 | whardier | oh well |
| 15:53:14 | whardier | shower time |
| 15:53:18 | VerxWork | kergoth: Interesting |
| 15:53:32 | VerxWork | perhaps it is a kernel issue then |
| 15:53:32 | kergoth | VerxWork: indeed |
| 15:53:44 | kergoth | VerxWork: yeah, i was thining maybe i should do some testing under 2.5.31 |
| 15:53:50 | VerxWork | that strikes me as a very good clue |
| 15:53:53 | VerxWork | the top bit |
| 15:53:56 | kergoth | indeed |
| 15:54:03 | kolla | when I suspend and resume the CF card is dismounted and remounted... dont think it used to be like that earlier |
| 15:54:21 | VerxWork | kolla: Yeah, mine does that every time too |
| 15:54:24 | VerxWork | I hate it |
| 15:54:24 | kergoth | kolla: it should be |
| 15:54:29 | kolla | it sucks |
| 15:54:29 | kergoth | kolla: if it isnt, weird things happen |
| 15:54:35 | kergoth | kolla: from what i hear anyway |
| 15:54:35 | kolla | mediaplayer panics over it :) |
| 15:54:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:54:44 | VerxWork | kergoth: What if you are running something from the CF card tho? |
| 15:54:50 | kolla | exactly |
| 15:55:00 | VerxWork | because of that, I install all apps to SD |
| 15:55:01 | kolla | which I usually do when I have the CF card in |
| 15:55:04 | kergoth | VerxWork: then itll fail. some peopel have reported ls showing garbage. particularly on SD though |
| 15:55:13 | kergoth | VerxWork: when they unmount and remount, its clean |
| 15:55:21 | VerxWork | ok |
| 15:55:21 | kergoth | VerxWork: just going from reports here, i dotn even own a sd card |
| 15:55:27 | VerxWork | I understand |
| 15:55:36 | VerxWork | kergoth: So you think it might be a kernel issue? |
| 15:55:36 | kolla | my SD card isnt unmounted/remounted |
| 15:55:42 | kergoth | i should buy a small mmc card |
| 15:55:44 | VerxWork | is there an older kernel I could try with OZ? |
| 15:55:45 | kergoth | VerxWork: not sure |
| 15:55:50 | kergoth | VerxWork: lemme think |
| 15:55:54 | VerxWork | or is that unadvisable |
| 15:55:54 | kergoth | VerxWork: 2.4.6 is all there is for the Z |
| 15:56:02 | VerxWork | well |
| 15:56:10 | VerxWork | the sharp kernel doesn't appear to do this |
| 15:56:11 | chouimat | imm: ping |
| 15:56:13 | kolla | sometime it happens that the SD card gets I/O-errors after a suspend, but it's not reallt common |
| 15:56:15 | VerxWork | if it truly is the kernel at issue |
| 15:56:20 | kolla | at least not here |
| 15:56:26 | imm | chouimat: pong |
| 15:56:29 | VerxWork | kolla: Could you check sysinfo and tell me what your application load is? |
| 15:56:44 | chouimat | imm got confiormation of reception |
| 15:56:56 | imm | chouimat: yeah, me too |
| 15:57:50 | kolla | cutie /root # uptime |
| 15:57:50 | kolla | 5:03pm up 2:03, load average: 4.19, 4.05, 4.14 |
| 15:57:54 | kolla | where in sysinfo is the load? |
| 15:58:00 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 15:58:03 | chouimat | imm: so they receive it |
| 15:58:06 | [DrEvil] | your Z is named cutie? |
| 15:58:10 | kergoth | kolla: there sa graph of load |
| 15:58:14 | [DrEvil] | I think that is the problem |
| 15:58:19 | kolla | yes, I see it |
| 15:58:21 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:58:36 | VerxWork | on the little "chip" looking tab |
| 15:58:49 | kolla | found it |
| 15:59:56 | VerxWork | so what is your application load? |
| 16:00:15 | kolla | darn that I upgraded httpd, it had some dependencies lacking |
| 16:00:39 | VerxWork | kergoth: Another quick thing |
| 16:00:46 | kolla | libdb.so.2 to be specific |
| 16:00:52 | VerxWork | if I have the OZ feed as the ONLY feed in ipkg.conf |
| 16:00:56 | VerxWork | and I do an update |
| 16:01:10 | VerxWork | and I have 100% of my OZ applications installed to root (not to SD or CF) |
| 16:01:21 | VerxWork | can I expect to be able to do an ipkg upgrade from an ssh session? |
| 16:03:34 | kolla | kergoth: wasnt there some db packages supposed to show up on the oz feed? |
| 16:03:47 | VerxWork | kolla |
| 16:03:49 | VerxWork | in system info |
| 16:03:53 | VerxWork | what is your application load? |
| 16:04:17 | kolla | a red line :) |
| 16:04:30 | kolla | close to nothing |
| 16:04:32 | VerxWork | roughly what percentage? |
| 16:04:33 | VerxWork | ok |
| 16:04:37 | VerxWork | have you recently rebooted? |
| 16:04:37 | kergoth | kolla: we have libdb2 and libdb3 in cvs, but not in the feed yet |
| 16:04:38 | VerxWork | or no? |
| 16:04:52 | kolla | 5:03pm up 2:03, load average: 4.19, 4.05, 4.14 |
| 16:04:59 | kolla | more than two hours up |
| 16:05:05 | VerxWork | have you suspended since you turned it on? |
| 16:05:13 | kolla | think so |
| 16:05:16 | tux_mike | that's a helova load average |
| 16:05:28 | noooone | 92% of initrd.bin... |
| 16:05:39 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe. thats kapm-idled i'm sure |
| 16:05:45 | noooone | Can anybody say me howto ftp to my PDA? |
| 16:06:08 | noooone | is the FTP server online when I made nothing on it? |
| 16:06:32 | treke | noooone: you ftp to port 4242 |
| 16:06:39 | noooone | oh! |
| 16:06:46 | noooone | thanks alot :) |
| 16:06:46 | treke | and you have to do it over the cradles ip |
| 16:06:50 | noooone | bin mode? |
| 16:07:00 | noooone | or ascii? |
| 16:07:06 | treke | bin |
| 16:07:10 | kolla | tux_mike:not many processes running though |
| 16:07:10 | noooone | oki |
| 16:07:32 | noooone | then I´ll up the three files on cf card... |
| 16:07:36 | noooone | then I type halt... |
| 16:07:44 | noooone | then I put the AC on |
| 16:07:54 | noooone | press c+d and hold it... |
| 16:08:00 | noooone | then I press the full reset button |
| 16:08:03 | noooone | right? |
| 16:08:08 | kolla | what are these swapper processes? |
| 16:08:13 | kolla | I dont have any swap |
| 16:08:46 | kolla | 3 root D [swapper] |
| 16:08:46 | kolla | 4 root D [swapper] |
| 16:08:47 | kolla | 5 root S [swapper] |
| 16:08:59 | noooone | bbl... |
| 16:09:07 | noooone | I´ll try it the 500time |
| 16:09:14 | kolla | cutie lib # ps axuwww | grep swapper |
| 16:09:14 | kolla | 3 root D [swapper] |
| 16:09:14 | kolla | 4 root D [swapper] |
| 16:09:15 | kolla | 5 root S [swapper] |
| 16:09:15 | kolla | 11 root D [swapper] |
| 16:10:00 | kolla | cutie lib # ps axuwww | grep D |
| 16:10:00 | kolla | PID Uid VmSize Stat Command |
| 16:10:00 | kolla | 3 root D [swapper] |
| 16:10:00 | kolla | 4 root D [swapper] |
| 16:10:01 | kolla | 11 root D [swapper] |
| 16:10:03 | kolla | 620 root D [sa11-usbd] |
| 16:10:13 | kolla | I assume those are explain the load at 4 :) |
| 16:10:32 | kergoth | kolla: look at the cpu time in ps |
| 16:10:39 | kergoth | kolla: its most likely kapm-idled. |
| 16:11:03 | tux_mike | i need something better to do on my lunch breaks |
| 16:11:15 | tux_mike | i just un-did a ball of foil :) |
| 16:11:15 | kolla | busybox ps sucks :) |
| 16:11:23 | kolla | doesnt show idletime |
| 16:11:29 | VerxWork | KERGOTH! |
| 16:11:30 | VerxWork | I got it |
| 16:11:34 | VerxWork | it is the CF card |
| 16:11:38 | VerxWork | if I yank the CF card |
| 16:11:40 | VerxWork | and suspend |
| 16:11:46 | VerxWork | it leaves the load as it should be |
| 16:11:54 | VerxWork | what the heck. . . |
| 16:12:26 | VerxWork | so it is something to do with the CF |
| 16:12:46 | VerxWork | let me see if it happens just by inserting the CF |
| 16:12:50 | roge99_laptop | VerxWork: I'll test the same here |
| 16:13:20 | VerxWork | I can insert the card after resume |
| 16:13:26 | VerxWork | and the load stays as it should be |
| 16:13:34 | VerxWork | so the key (it appears) |
| 16:13:43 | VerxWork | is to "eject" the CF card before you resume |
| 16:13:51 | VerxWork | er |
| 16:13:54 | VerxWork | s/resume/suspend |
| 16:13:59 | VerxWork | eject the CF card before you suspend |
| 16:14:02 | VerxWork | and your load stays normal |
| 16:14:25 | VerxWork | well |
| 16:14:26 | VerxWork | no |
| 16:14:37 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 16:14:42 | oGMo | VerxWork: maybe take the cf OUT so it doesn't automount? |
| 16:14:42 | VerxWork | I ejected it |
| 16:14:53 | VerxWork | and that simple act caused the load to screw up |
| 16:15:15 | VerxWork | but at least I can see the AREA of the problem now |
| 16:15:44 | oGMo | man the z needs 'top' |
| 16:15:49 | VerxWork | it has it |
| 16:15:57 | VerxWork | ipkg install procps-common procps-top |
| 16:16:06 | VerxWork | kergoth was kind enough to make it for me |
| 16:16:34 | oGMo | cool |
| 16:16:50 | oGMo | although, my uptime always shows >300% average, even though ps aux never reports anything |
| 16:17:55 | roge99_laptop | VerxWork: confirmed the same over here |
| 16:18:43 | oGMo | the keymaps are way too funky, someonoe needs to document them |
| 16:19:04 | roge99_laptop | VerxWork: but I think it only happens w/ CF memory cards my wlan card seemed ok lastnight |
| 16:19:06 | oGMo | like Fn+Shift = Control, but Fn+Shift + some things are other characters |
| 16:19:18 | roge99_laptop | ill re-test w/ that |
| 16:19:18 | nooone | rehy all. :,( |
| 16:19:23 | nooone | rehy all. :,( |
| 16:19:26 | oGMo | fn+shift+space = ` |
| 16:19:27 | oGMo | bah |
| 16:19:27 | VerxWork | interesting |
| 16:19:29 | nooone | Can anybody please help me :( |
| 16:19:34 | VerxWork | and SD is fine too |
| 16:19:42 | roge99_laptop | sd is ok |
| 16:19:54 | roge99_laptop | i had the sd in the whole time |
| 16:20:04 | VerxWork | right |
| 16:20:17 | kergoth | oGMo: theres a pdf and a txt file that documents the Z key mappings |
| 16:20:18 | nooone | Why is my Flash Update not working? Can please anybody help me... |
| 16:20:18 | VerxWork | well, I feel a lot better to know what area of thing is affecting it |
| 16:20:26 | VerxWork | kergoth: Did you see what I found out? |
| 16:20:40 | kergoth | VerxWork: no, we lost our network connectivity at work for a bit |
| 16:20:43 | VerxWork | kergoth: The problem is CF memory cards. If I yank the CF memory card, the problem goes away |
| 16:20:48 | kergoth | VerxWork: its still dog slow |
| 16:20:50 | VerxWork | I can suspend/resume without issue |
| 16:20:51 | kergoth | ahh |
| 16:20:59 | oGMo | kergoth: k i'll look for it |
| 16:21:04 | kergoth | so its a pcmcia-cs or a pcmcia memory card driver issue |
| 16:21:08 | VerxWork | the really strange thing is |
| 16:21:11 | oGMo | damn no awk either :) |
| 16:21:12 | kergoth | oGMo: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 16:21:18 | roge99_laptop | wireless works |
| 16:21:19 | VerxWork | if I plug the card in, it is fine, and the load stays fine |
| 16:21:24 | VerxWork | but then when I eject it |
| 16:21:29 | VerxWork | that single act of ejecting it |
| 16:21:32 | VerxWork | is what nuked the load |
| 16:21:36 | roge99_laptop | i just re-tested w/ my linksys and it resumed fine |
| 16:21:41 | kergoth | VerxWork: hmm |
| 16:21:42 | VerxWork | so it specifically has to do with eject |
| 16:21:45 | oGMo | kergoth: k |
| 16:21:46 | VerxWork | if it wasn't being ejected |
| 16:21:49 | VerxWork | it wouldn't happen |
| 16:22:00 | kergoth | VerxWork: so its how opie handles the ejct? |
| 16:22:07 | VerxWork | I dunno |
| 16:22:07 | kergoth | VerxWork : probably the cardmon applet? hmm |
| 16:22:13 | VerxWork | how do you eject from the commandline? |
| 16:22:21 | kergoth | VerxWork: cardctl eject |
| 16:22:54 | VerxWork | so like "cardctl eject /dev/cf" ? |
| 16:22:56 | VerxWork | or what? |
| 16:23:12 | nooone | Hey all: I want to install OZ... I downloaded the three files 3 times!!! they are okay... yes, I renamed them... I have uploaded to my CF card in /mnt/cf ... (yes there are no more files) my file system on the card is fat 16... I try to flash with c+d and total reset |
| 16:23:20 | nooone | WHY is it not working!!!? |
| 16:23:24 | roge99_laptop | VerxWork: no |
| 16:23:39 | roge99_laptop | carctl eject [socket num] |
| 16:23:43 | VerxWork | nooone: Let me tell you, I went through that too. Once you get it working, save the CF card that works |
| 16:23:44 | nooone | my LED´s are always blinking after i press cd and the total reset... |
| 16:23:51 | diclophis | back, total hottie count = 2 |
| 16:23:53 | VerxWork | noone: NEVER TOUCH it after you get it to work |
| 16:24:04 | nooone | What do you mean? |
| 16:24:05 | kolla | eject? I just pull out the card :) |
| 16:24:05 | VerxWork | roge99_laptop: How do I know which socket is CF? |
| 16:24:09 | nooone | I try it the first time... |
| 16:24:18 | nooone | why is it not working? |
| 16:24:25 | oGMo | oh SHIFT-space alone does |, my life has now become much easier ;) |
| 16:24:33 | nooone | my leds have to be lighting!!! not blinking... :) |
| 16:24:34 | roge99_laptop | 0 |
| 16:24:37 | nooone | why is that? |
| 16:24:40 | roge99_laptop | cardctl status |
| 16:24:50 | nooone | what reason is left why it not works?! |
| 16:25:01 | | bzflag was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 13 hours, 41 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: jus checkin in [Sun Aug 25 03:43:49 2002] |
| 16:25:01 | darienm | ibot seen bzflag |
| 16:25:07 | VerxWork | kergoth: Doing the eject from the commandline doesn't hurt the load |
| 16:25:11 | VerxWork | so yes |
| 16:25:16 | VerxWork | it is in the cardmon applet |
| 16:25:25 | kolla | VerxWork: how about just pulling out the card? |
| 16:25:26 | nooone | can´t anybody help me? |
| 16:25:33 | VerxWork | kolla: Lemme try |
| 16:25:33 | VerxWork | sec |
| 16:25:34 | benmeyer_sharp | Yummmy lunch :-D |
| 16:25:36 | Harlekin | re |
| 16:25:56 | nooone | re harlekin |
| 16:25:56 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:25:59 | whardier | phewd |
| 16:26:01 | whardier | ponders |
| 16:26:09 | nooone | who of you can help me :( plz... |
| 16:26:24 | kolla | nooone: with what? |
| 16:26:31 | nooone | I want to install OZ... I downloaded the three files 3 times!!! they are okay... yes, I renamed them... I have uploaded to my CF card in /mnt/cf ... (yes there are no more files) my file system on the card is fat 16... I try to flash with c+d and total reset |
| 16:26:37 | nooone | WHY is it not working!!!? |
| 16:26:38 | VerxWork | kolla: Yes, pulling the card works |
| 16:26:41 | nooone | my LED´s are always blinking after i press cd and the total reset... |
| 16:26:49 | kolla | VerxWork: ok, that's what I do |
| 16:26:58 | kolla | never bothered with the eject stuff |
| 16:27:00 | VerxWork | kolla: But do you do it every time before you suspend? |
| 16:27:03 | whardier | noone |
| 16:27:05 | kolla | no |
| 16:27:08 | whardier | how long do they blink |
| 16:27:08 | Harlekin | tnx nooone |
| 16:27:11 | Harlekin | whardier: ping |
| 16:27:14 | whardier | hi Harlekin |
| 16:27:17 | whardier | hows ma bitch |
| 16:27:17 | VerxWork | see, I have to do it every time before I suspend |
| 16:27:22 | VerxWork | or it has this problem |
| 16:27:24 | kolla | aha |
| 16:27:27 | kolla | lets test |
| 16:27:32 | VerxWork | Harlekin: I have narrowed this problem down |
| 16:27:34 | scanline | nmaps for insecure windows printers on his subnet |
| 16:27:38 | whardier | heh |
| 16:27:43 | whardier | scanline: pring porn |
| 16:27:45 | whardier | print |
| 16:27:47 | kolla | wo |
| 16:27:50 | VerxWork | Harlekin: it is related to the CF card |
| 16:27:56 | scanline | whardier: have to test this first :) |
| 16:28:07 | VerxWork | Harlekin: If I have no CF card in my system, I do not have any load problems at all |
| 16:28:10 | chouimat | scanline: that exist a secure windows printer? |
| 16:28:15 | Harlekin | VerxWork: k |
| 16:28:19 | kolla | I pulled the wlan card and app usage went to more than 50% |
| 16:28:26 | Harlekin | VerxWork: now we just need to find out why |
| 16:28:28 | whardier | Harlekin: you pinged.. should I pong? |
| 16:28:32 | scanline | chouimat: prolly not, but I found at least 7 that don't even have a password |
| 16:28:37 | roge99_laptop | just ejecting the card w/ the applet causes the problem |
| 16:28:44 | whardier | readies the paddle |
| 16:28:50 | VerxWork | Harlekin: I know. But at least I have narrowed it down |
| 16:28:51 | roge99_laptop | you dont even need to suspend |
| 16:28:54 | nooone | *cryyyyyy* :((( |
| 16:28:58 | VerxWork | roge99_laptop: True |
| 16:29:00 | kolla | I insert it and app load drops for sec then climbs to about 60% :) |
| 16:29:00 | nooone | noone help nooone... |
| 16:29:23 | kolla | pull out the card.. back to 50% |
| 16:29:23 | Harlekin | whardier: yeah |
| 16:29:24 | VerxWork | nooone: All I can tell you is to try it with other CF cards |
| 16:29:26 | whardier | ok |
| 16:29:29 | whardier | Harlekin: pong |
| 16:29:30 | Harlekin | whardier: where are all your wallpapers? |
| 16:29:32 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:29:33 | nooone | I have another CF card! |
| 16:29:33 | VerxWork | nooone: Make sure you have fat16, do the format with linux |
| 16:29:37 | whardier | Harlekin: :) |
| 16:29:46 | nooone | I did... Verx... |
| 16:29:52 | nooone | and I have the second CF card... |
| 16:29:52 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/DarkCurves_large.png |
| 16:29:54 | whardier | therre is one |
| 16:29:54 | kergoth | nooone: and make sure you're *only* pressing c+d and then full reset. no other keys. |
| 16:29:56 | whardier | coming up with more |
| 16:29:57 | nooone | a 64 and a 256MB |
| 16:29:58 | VerxWork | nooone: I did too. I did it like 30 times and then it started to work |
| 16:30:01 | whardier | gonna make a gallery for them soon |
| 16:30:02 | kolla | insert storage card.. zigzag.. stays at 50-60% |
| 16:30:05 | nooone | both ot working... |
| 16:30:18 | kergoth | kolla: whats using hte cpu? qpe? |
| 16:30:24 | nooone | Verx: you tried it 30 times? with the same card and so on? |
| 16:30:30 | VerxWork | nooone: Yup |
| 16:30:35 | nooone | damn |
| 16:30:43 | nooone | OK... I´ll try it 30 times now! |
| 16:30:47 | kergoth | nooone: you'll get the hang of it |
| 16:30:48 | kolla | using the eject and load climbs to close upunder 100% :) |
| 16:30:59 | VerxWork | kolla: Yup, same here |
| 16:31:12 | VerxWork | kolla: For me, if I yank the CF, and then reinsert it |
| 16:31:12 | kergoth | its qpe using the cpu during those situations? |
| 16:31:17 | VerxWork | it is fine load wise after the yank |
| 16:31:23 | kolla | ok |
| 16:31:24 | VerxWork | but then the load goes up at reinsert time |
| 16:31:36 | DigitalChris | sup z'ers |
| 16:31:47 | kergoth | VerxWork: the load stays high? i mean its not just temporariy while it proppogates the odcs tab? |
| 16:32:06 | VerxWork | kergoth: Yes, it stays high |
| 16:32:14 | kergoth | argh |
| 16:32:19 | VerxWork | let me let it go even longer |
| 16:32:20 | VerxWork | sec |
| 16:32:23 | kergoth | VerxWork: hmm. |
| 16:32:28 | kolla | cutie init.d # uptime |
| 16:32:28 | kolla | 5:38pm up 2:38, load average: 5.01, 4.61, 4.25 |
| 16:32:45 | kergoth | i love fortune |
| 16:32:46 | kolla | lets kill something... : |
| 16:32:47 | kergoth | Fog Lamps, n.: |
| 16:32:49 | kergoth | Excessively (often obnoxiously) bright lamps mounted on the |
| 16:32:49 | kergoth | fronts of automobiles; used on dry, clear nights to indicate that the |
| 16:32:50 | kergoth | driver's brain is in a fog. |
| 16:33:15 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/SexyCurves_large.png |
| 16:33:18 | whardier | there is another Harlekin |
| 16:33:37 | Harlekin | whardier: we should open a opie artwork page |
| 16:33:41 | Harlekin | whardier: opie-look |
| 16:33:42 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:33:42 | whardier | true that |
| 16:33:49 | Harlekin | as subdivision of opie.info |
| 16:33:53 | kergoth | Harlekin: what ever happened to that opie-look page? |
| 16:33:57 | Harlekin | kergoth: not sure |
| 16:34:04 | kergoth | someone made one, but it was really basic |
| 16:34:07 | Harlekin | kergoth: we should migrate it to opie.info |
| 16:34:14 | nooone | VerxWork: I tried it now often... did your leds blink too? |
| 16:34:15 | Harlekin | kergoth: was it drw? |
| 16:34:16 | kergoth | definately |
| 16:34:25 | kergoth | yeah i think it was drw |
| 16:34:28 | Harlekin | so |
| 16:34:30 | VerxWork | nooone: I have every thing happen that could OTHER than it working |
| 16:34:33 | Harlekin | we need to talk to him next time |
| 16:34:34 | Harlekin | ..-) |
| 16:34:36 | VerxWork | so I just kept plugging at it |
| 16:34:40 | nooone | what?! |
| 16:34:45 | kolla | haha.. funny |
| 16:34:56 | kolla | did a killall -9 qpe |
| 16:34:58 | nooone | I asked if you LEDS blinked too when you hit the reset button |
| 16:35:04 | kolla | while the sysinfo graph thing was up |
| 16:35:05 | whardier | my legs are so itchy! |
| 16:35:21 | kolla | now the graph is still being drawn ontop of the console |
| 16:35:29 | whardier | it is so |
| 16:35:29 | whardier | all |
| 16:35:30 | whardier | about |
| 16:35:31 | whardier | the |
| 16:35:32 | whardier | benjamins |
| 16:35:54 | roge99_laptop | VerxWork: kergoth: I just confirmed you can use the applet to eject a wlan card w/ no prob |
| 16:36:08 | roge99_laptop | its only the Memory cards |
| 16:36:14 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:36:26 | whardier | getting dressed might help any outside adventures I have today |
| 16:36:36 | treke | outside? whats that? |
| 16:36:51 | kergoth | whee |
| 16:36:57 | whardier | there is natural light there |
| 16:36:59 | kergoth | just added fbvncserver to OZ buildroot finally |
| 16:37:10 | whardier | woot |
| 16:37:18 | kolla | 27310 root 1576 S /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 16:37:22 | kolla | what's that? |
| 16:37:27 | kolla | on the serial? |
| 16:37:29 | kergoth | kolla: thats your login prompt on your lcd |
| 16:37:32 | treke | whardier: thats a good thing? then i lose my nice fair complexion |
| 16:37:36 | kergoth | kolla: tty1 = virtual terminal |
| 16:37:44 | kolla | ok |
| 16:37:45 | kergoth | kolla: ttyS0 or ttySA0 = serial port 1 |
| 16:37:53 | nooone | Who of you installed OPIE? pls msg me... :( |
| 16:37:56 | kolla | why 38400? |
| 16:37:59 | whardier | treke: you have peeled from monitor radiation burn before.. haven't you? |
| 16:38:13 | kergoth | nooone: dood, OZ is my project. so i've flashed it about 800 times |
| 16:38:15 | treke | hehe. cant say that I have |
| 16:38:17 | kergoth | nooone: hehe |
| 16:38:25 | whardier | flashes OZ |
| 16:38:26 | whardier | and kergoth |
| 16:38:28 | whardier | alot! |
| 16:38:43 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:38:52 | whardier | did you sacrifice a goat? |
| 16:39:05 | DigitalChris | no a penguin |
| 16:41:17 | kergoth | nooone: I told you. either 1) filesystem rpoblems, or 2) or corrupt files, or 3) didnt rename them to initrd.bin, zImage, bootflag.txt, or 4) you're accidentally hitting more keys than just c+d |
| 16:43:13 | whardier | ok |
| 16:43:27 | whardier | noone is slapping files to the CF over QPE's FTP |
| 16:43:36 | whardier | anybody successfully done a flash after that? |
| 16:43:56 | nooone | kergoth: non of them is possible :( |
| 16:44:05 | XavierXeon | i used sftp to transfer files |
| 16:44:11 | whardier | err |
| 16:44:12 | kergoth | nooone: then you have bad hardware or you're fucking something up |
| 16:44:13 | nooone | Hy Xavier :) |
| 16:44:15 | whardier | slapping OZ to the CF |
| 16:44:15 | whardier | heh |
| 16:44:19 | kergoth | nooone: those *ARE* the possible problems |
| 16:44:23 | kergoth | nooone: period. |
| 16:44:26 | nooone | yes :) |
| 16:44:36 | whardier | noone: I suggest snagging a cf writer one of these days |
| 16:44:46 | whardier | because the usb network handlers could be fucking shit up |
| 16:44:59 | nooone | hmmm |
| 16:44:59 | kergoth | whardier: i remember trying to copy the romimage over USB early on |
| 16:45:01 | kergoth | whardier: remember itd puke at like 5 megs or something? |
| 16:45:04 | whardier | heh |
| 16:45:05 | nooone | the files have the exact size... |
| 16:45:05 | whardier | true |
| 16:45:09 | kergoth | whardier: i had to dd it apart :-) |
| 16:45:09 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 48 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: . [Mon Aug 26 15:56:44 2002] |
| 16:45:09 | numatrix | ibot: seen warmi |
| 16:45:11 | kolla | nooone: have you tried flashing back to sharp? |
| 16:45:15 | whardier | noone can you print a list of the files on the CF? |
| 16:45:15 | treke | nooone: check the md5sums |
| 16:45:16 | junxster | anyone remember an old perl script that would generate status reports for bosses?? |
| 16:45:26 | kergoth | nooone: as treke says, check md5sum. size isnt definitive |
| 16:45:29 | nooone | whardier: what do you mean? |
| 16:45:36 | whardier | nooone |
| 16:45:41 | whardier | I wanna know what the files are named |
| 16:45:43 | whardier | case sensative |
| 16:45:55 | nooone | initrd.bin; bootflag.txt and zImage |
| 16:45:57 | whardier | you are copying files from an XP machine over FTP to a CF on a PDA |
| 16:46:02 | whardier | the word loco comes to mind |
| 16:46:08 | nooone | loco? |
| 16:46:12 | whardier | heh |
| 16:46:16 | nooone | I used Qtopia and ftp... both not worked |
| 16:46:27 | whardier | ive no clue there buddy |
| 16:46:33 | whardier | maybe you should download the files to the CF |
| 16:46:35 | whardier | with wget |
| 16:46:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:46:36 | nooone | me not too |
| 16:46:43 | nooone | wget? |
| 16:46:46 | whardier | wget |
| 16:46:49 | whardier | lookitup |
| 16:46:49 | nooone | howto? |
| 16:46:52 | XavierXeon | nooone: which browser did you use for downloading ? |
| 16:46:53 | whardier | no howto |
| 16:46:58 | whardier | beats howtos |
| 16:47:00 | nooone | Iexplore... |
| 16:47:07 | whardier | sodoaustronauts |
| 16:47:21 | XavierXeon | get a real browser. ie fucks up everything thats not M$ |
| 16:47:29 | whardier | heh! |
| 16:47:32 | kolla | links |
| 16:47:37 | whardier | anyhoot.. to many layers for shit to go wrong |
| 16:47:43 | nooone | can u may DCC me the files? that should be OK too or not? |
| 16:47:54 | whardier | I don't think anybody here has flashed OZ w/o formatting the CF first |
| 16:47:56 | nooone | but I can´t believe thats the iexplore that corrupts files or something... |
| 16:47:58 | kolla | whardier: what are you talking about? :) |
| 16:48:07 | kergoth | nooone: IE often corrupts binary files |
| 16:48:07 | nooone | w/o? |
| 16:48:10 | whardier | kolla ? |
| 16:48:11 | kolla | without |
| 16:48:16 | nooone | howto format? |
| 16:48:21 | whardier | lookitup |
| 16:48:23 | whardier | Uexplore.. |
| 16:48:24 | kolla | <whardier> anyhoot.. to many layers for shit to go wrong |
| 16:48:26 | nooone | format /dev/hda1? |
| 16:48:31 | whardier | noone :( |
| 16:48:40 | nooone | ;) |
| 16:48:42 | whardier | no I dunno if sharps rom has mkdosfs |
| 16:48:48 | kolla | mkfs.msdos /dev/hda1 |
| 16:48:51 | nooone | yes it does |
| 16:48:57 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 16:49:01 | whardier | IRhungryHippo |
| 16:49:02 | roge99_laptop | mkfs.msdow -F 16 |
| 16:49:05 | nooone | i did that lemme think... I guess 100 times... |
| 16:49:10 | whardier | ToMcDonaldsIGo! |
| 16:49:15 | roge99_laptop | mkfs.msdos -F 16 |
| 16:49:19 | Onyx4 | what's the "at" and "atd" for in OZ? why would I install those? |
| 16:49:24 | nooone | I made that... |
| 16:49:24 | kolla | roge99_laptop: thought msdos implied -F 16 |
| 16:49:30 | XavierXeon | whardier: thtas your outdoor activity for today ? |
| 16:49:40 | nooone | then my files where gone and I uploaded them again... still not working... |
| 16:49:58 | nooone | I think its impossible to flash this thing... |
| 16:50:11 | kergoth | nooone:: did you check to make sure you're only hitting c+d |
| 16:50:14 | roge99_laptop | kolla: it might ... i gennerly specify the options i want |
| 16:50:16 | nooone | anything is really fucked up... |
| 16:50:23 | kergoth | nooone: *no*, it seems impossible for *you* to flash this thing |
| 16:50:26 | nooone | yep I´m only hitting c and d |
| 16:50:27 | roge99_laptop | this way i less often suprized |
| 16:50:53 | kolla | nooone: did you ever try to flash back to sharp rom? |
| 16:50:54 | nooone | or is there a thing with the german/us keypad? |
| 16:51:06 | kolla | hardly |
| 16:51:11 | nooone | kolla: the sharp rom is still installed... |
| 16:51:15 | kolla | that's just z and y changing places |
| 16:51:23 | nooone | the Zaurus works but I want to have opie... |
| 16:51:25 | roge99_laptop | nooone: we just went thru this w/ someone eles the other day ... who swore up and down he was doing everything right |
| 16:51:31 | kolla | ok |
| 16:51:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:51:38 | kergoth | PEBKAC |
| 16:51:39 | nooone | sure I know |
| 16:51:40 | roge99_laptop | check the format of the CF card |
| 16:51:48 | whardier | PEBKAC? |
| 16:51:50 | nooone | but I really checked everything 10 times... |
| 16:51:56 | nooone | it is vfat |
| 16:51:58 | kergoth | whardier: problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 16:52:00 | roge99_laptop | yea ... well so did he |
| 16:52:04 | kergoth | whardier: heheh |
| 16:52:06 | whardier | nicec |
| 16:52:06 | whardier | heh |
| 16:52:12 | nooone | type: vfat (rw) |
| 16:52:17 | kolla | nooone: it must be fat16 I read |
| 16:52:17 | roge99_laptop | and it looked like vfat |
| 16:52:17 | whardier | awaits his local mail delivery |
| 16:52:20 | nooone | yes it has to |
| 16:52:22 | whardier | gonna watch me some rollerball today! |
| 16:52:23 | nooone | vfat = fat16... |
| 16:52:38 | whardier | wow |
| 16:52:41 | whardier | my legs are bleeding |
| 16:52:42 | | benmeyer_sharp was last seen on #zaurus 27 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: Yummmy lunch :-D [Mon Aug 26 17:25:34 2002] |
| 16:52:42 | _solaris_ | ibot: seen benmeyer_sharp |
| 16:52:43 | kergoth | nooone: no. vfat = fat12 or fat16 or fat32 |
| 16:52:46 | nooone | I formatted it often |
| 16:52:52 | roge99_laptop | use fdisk and mkfs.msdos to reformat the card and try again |
| 16:52:55 | whardier | should go fix that |
| 16:52:57 | kergoth | nooone: doesnt matter |
| 16:53:01 | nooone | but when I type "mount" it says always vfat |
| 16:53:15 | nooone | fdisk? |
| 16:53:16 | whardier | noone: there is not a fat16 module |
| 16:53:20 | kergoth | nooone: mount will always show vfat, regardless |
| 16:53:22 | whardier | vfat covers all the bases |
| 16:53:32 | nooone | how can I check then if it is fat16? |
| 16:53:44 | kolla | fdisk |
| 16:53:46 | XavierXeon | nooone: and do NOT download your files with ie |
| 16:53:59 | nooone | fdisk: command not found :( |
| 16:54:12 | nooone | Can anyone DCC me the files then? please... |
| 16:54:16 | nooone | I have no other browser |
| 16:54:26 | kolla | uhm |
| 16:54:32 | kolla | you have explorer on the zaurus? |
| 16:54:40 | kergoth | nooone: install one. *read*. you're not helpless. |
| 16:54:43 | nooone | I can´t go online with the zaurus |
| 16:54:48 | kolla | cant you format to fat16 on the PC? |
| 16:54:53 | kolla | format the card |
| 16:55:11 | XavierXeon | nooone: download mozilla for example |
| 16:55:12 | sigmounte | what 's the adress of software for zaurus ? |
| 16:55:14 | nooone | I did mkdosfs /dev/hda1 some times... |
| 16:55:29 | nooone | Xavier: ISDN... |
| 16:55:34 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: sounds like hes haveing a 'eye dee ten tee' error |
| 16:55:52 | kergoth | nooone: did you use -F like roge99 said? |
| 16:55:55 | kergoth | roi: indeed |
| 16:56:02 | kergoth | s/roi/roge99_laptop/ |
| 16:56:05 | kergoth | my lag is nuts |
| 16:56:14 | nooone | yes |
| 16:56:18 | nooone | did that too... |
| 16:56:34 | nooone | mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 16:56:35 | kergoth | nooone: well you're obviously doing something wrong. the question is what. |
| 16:56:46 | kergoth | bbiarf |
| 16:56:52 | kergoth | er |
| 16:56:55 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 16:56:58 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 16:57:01 | nooone | yes... |
| 16:57:02 | roge99_laptop | im wondering what the partition table looks like |
| 16:57:08 | nooone | if I knew... I had opie :) |
| 16:57:08 | roge99_laptop | hey BB |
| 16:57:45 | nooone | okay... leeching Mozilla now... one hour left to get that... :( |
| 16:58:25 | nooone | Wers versteht... mich nerfts tierisch das wenn ich etwas flashen will... das das dann NIE geht ;( egal ob handy oder pda oder eprom... Ich hab einen FLASHFLUCH! |
| 16:58:30 | nooone | brb... need a cig |
| 16:58:43 | nooone | damn... |
| 16:59:04 | endr | nooone:shade |
| 16:59:21 | whardier | nooobody understannds ME! |
| 16:59:27 | whardier | noooobody ever loves me!!! |
| 16:59:29 | darienm | whardier: I did a good OZ flash after copying the files via FTP thru the Z. |
| 16:59:37 | darienm | whardier: sorry the news is late, was on the phone. |
| 16:59:38 | whardier | darienm: then take charge here.. |
| 16:59:42 | darienm | no chance |
| 16:59:43 | kolla | nooone: du brauchst eine flasche :) |
| 16:59:48 | whardier | I need to go set up a quarintene of CE users in area 21 |
| 16:59:52 | darienm | I dont have time |
| 17:00:01 | whardier | You do now soldier! |
| 17:00:07 | darienm | I did it once, it worked. I followed directions. |
| 17:00:48 | darienm | nooone: I've been away from my desk for a while, I'll try and help you if you describe briefly what you're trying to do. |
| 17:01:05 | whardier | gives nooone a bottle |
| 17:01:53 | whardier | has not had a cig in a good long time |
| 17:01:56 | whardier | or a beer |
| 17:01:58 | whardier | that kills me |
| 17:02:09 | scanline | Sugar: make whardier a long island ice tea |
| 17:02:10 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to whardier. |
| 17:02:10 | whardier | I am gonna die from unalchohol poisoning |
| 17:02:13 | kergoth | so buy a beer |
| 17:02:15 | darienm | "you are copying files from an XP machine over FTP to a CF on a PDA" -- This is exactly what I did -- worked fine. |
| 17:02:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:02:18 | XavierXeon | no beer and no tv makes homer go crazy ! |
| 17:02:29 | whardier | kergoth: alas.. no ride |
| 17:02:38 | darienm | The CF I used was a friend's storage card from a digital camera. |
| 17:02:39 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:02:41 | kergoth | walk |
| 17:02:43 | whardier | tis the sick twisted fate of a person who can never afford anything |
| 17:02:43 | kergoth | itll be worth it |
| 17:02:44 | whardier | haha |
| 17:02:45 | darienm | I did not format it -- used it as it was. |
| 17:02:49 | nooone | OK... |
| 17:02:49 | whardier | it would be! |
| 17:02:51 | whardier | I would fall over half way back |
| 17:02:57 | nooone | Beer and Cig... now I can try flashing again... |
| 17:03:01 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:03:24 | whardier | I wish the bus came buy my house |
| 17:03:24 | whardier | like |
| 17:03:30 | whardier | anywhere near my house |
| 17:03:33 | whardier | I am 3 miles from the bus |
| 17:03:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:03:41 | kergoth | how the hell do you get to wrok? |
| 17:03:44 | kergoth | work |
| 17:03:44 | whardier | I would be the drunk passenger! |
| 17:03:49 | whardier | I work at home |
| 17:03:51 | whardier | and before that |
| 17:03:55 | whardier | I worked acrossed the street |
| 17:03:55 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:03:57 | darienm | kergoth: My father is leaving the country for 2 weeks on Wednesday. Will there be a significantly better OZ to load up for him than the one I did before by then? |
| 17:03:57 | kergoth | fucker |
| 17:04:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:04:09 | whardier | is self employed |
| 17:04:10 | whardier | remember |
| 17:04:21 | whardier | except I have to get on airplanes to go to work some times |
| 17:04:36 | kergoth | darienm: define significantly better :_0 i dont remember your concerns |
| 17:04:43 | whardier | oh well |
| 17:04:45 | whardier | walks to mcdees |
| 17:04:58 | whardier | time to get told .. "You look like XXX!" 5 times |
| 17:05:00 | darienm | kergoth: orignal concerns was simply syncing with Qtopia Desktop. That's solved. What's changed in the last 3 weeks? |
| 17:05:34 | darienm | kergoth: rather -- in the last 3 weeks is there stuff I would be interested in? better stability, more features? |
| 17:05:35 | kergoth | darienm: new atd to fix the date/time loss bug, updated opie build, working fbvncserver ipk (in a few minutes anyway), few other minor bugfixes, new kismet |
| 17:05:38 | darienm | kergoth: or just more bugs? |
| 17:07:09 | nooone | Who drinks Beer with me? |
| 17:07:14 | kergoth | hm, who volunteers to convert the fbvncserver tssimd to use the qtopia pointercal calibration file? |
| 17:07:20 | kergoth | I'm sick of having to calibrate twice |
| 17:07:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:07:32 | nooone | lol |
| 17:08:11 | XavierXeon | darienm: its not a bug ...... |
| 17:08:48 | Onyx4 | kergoth: maybe it's already done, I never had to recalibrate the version I got from sourceforge |
| 17:08:55 | kergoth | really? |
| 17:08:58 | kergoth | digs into the source |
| 17:12:10 | kergoth | haha, the fbvncserver module got stripped |
| 17:12:18 | kergoth | brings back memories, eh roge99_laptop |
| 17:12:35 | nooone | how do I unlock my Fn key?! |
| 17:12:38 | nooone | its locked... |
| 17:12:53 | kergoth | nooone: the same way you locked it |
| 17:13:08 | kergoth | nooone: fn + [/?] |
| 17:13:22 | nooone | k |
| 17:13:24 | nooone | lol! |
| 17:14:28 | heiko | hi |
| 17:14:36 | nooone | HY |
| 17:14:57 | nooone | XavierXeon: another german one :) |
| 17:16:01 | nooone | 85% of mozilla... |
| 17:16:04 | XavierXeon | so what ? |
| 17:16:09 | nooone | booooooooring! |
| 17:16:15 | nooone | says red zac... |
| 17:16:35 | nooone | :) |
| 17:17:17 | sigmounte | someone use a cisco aeronet 350 ?? |
| 17:17:53 | kolla | yes |
| 17:18:28 | sigmounte | what do you think about this card ?? |
| 17:18:48 | kolla | works ok |
| 17:19:43 | nooone | 100% done... installing |
| 17:20:31 | sigmounte | how do you install ?? |
| 17:20:44 | nooone | complete? |
| 17:20:44 | sigmounte | just a modprobe .?.? |
| 17:20:49 | darienm | ? he's downloading mozilla just to download the OZ files ? I used IE. |
| 17:20:55 | nooone | yes... |
| 17:21:02 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 17:21:03 | nooone | some say that IE may corrupt the files... |
| 17:23:01 | nooone | OK... now leeching with Mozilla... |
| 17:23:47 | sigmounte | i'll just need to modprobe aironet to install the cisco 350 ?? (and yes , iwconfig too) |
| 17:28:48 | heiko | I have a problem with the sound of the Z: When switching songs (normal media player) it gives a "krackling" sound. Is this normal or a problem with the audio out? |
| 17:32:04 | heiko | Had nobody this problem? |
| 17:32:29 | asterick | A300? |
| 17:32:33 | asterick | When did this happen? |
| 17:33:07 | heiko | asterick: about a month ago,It's japanes only |
| 17:33:16 | scanline | should have a discovery channel style roommate-cam |
| 17:33:21 | asterick | Ahh. What are the specs like? |
| 17:34:44 | heiko | asterick: I don't know, you can see a picture here: http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/designwins.html |
| 17:34:58 | asterick | Found some: http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html |
| 17:35:06 | asterick | It's 200mhz XScale with only SD it looks like. |
| 17:35:07 | heiko | asterick: do you have a "kracking" sound when switchinh songs in the media player? |
| 17:35:40 | asterick | Don't own a zaurus yet. |
| 17:35:46 | heiko | asterick: how do you know it's an xscale just looking at the picture? |
| 17:35:48 | asterick | Getting one in a week or two. |
| 17:35:52 | Com[Plex | anyone able to get 2opie-remote working successfully? I made some fixed packages for the module and the apps, but I still get a "cannot connect to socket" error. http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/fixed_lirc_files/ |
| 17:35:58 | asterick | "CPU Intel® XScale™(PXA210, 200 MHz) " |
| 17:36:13 | asterick | And I quote. ;) |
| 17:36:25 | kergoth | Com[Plex: havent tried it yet.. |
| 17:36:39 | scanline | 's eyes burn at the color on his IRC screen |
| 17:36:50 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 17:37:37 | BigBoss | Stand back, it is Tim the Enchanter |
| 17:37:54 | asterick | Any accessories you guys would recommend buying? I'm already getting some memory and a 802.11b adapter. |
| 17:38:25 | Com[Plex | theres a feed with the files on it that doesnt work, -0 ie, the ipks are totally bogus. I extracted the files and rebuit the ipks so they install properly, <and do the postinst> but I styill get a "cannot connect to socket" error when trying to start it up |
| 17:38:35 | JasonNJ | yo timbo. |
| 17:38:55 | heiko | asterick: a normal (cable) 10 mbit Lan card is also very useful, I like the brando screen protector |
| 17:39:14 | BigBoss | Com[Plex: you gonna send me that audio file that you were having trouble with? |
| 17:39:18 | Com[Plex | I think the lirc_sir.o file was compiled incorectly, but I cant find the exact source they used to compile it, and I get errors when I try to compile the latest source from the cvs feed at lirc.org |
| 17:39:22 | asterick | Why would I need a 10mbit lan when I'm going to have 11mbit wireless? |
| 17:39:31 | Com[Plex | doh, yes bb, whats that email again? Ill send right now |
| 17:39:36 | asterick | :D |
| 17:39:44 | fusion94 | is back (gone 11:05:22) |
| 17:40:17 | BigBoss | shawn@thekompany.com |
| 17:40:25 | Com[Plex | how soon before the ogg converters available for win32? if it works well, ILl be using it alot :> |
| 17:41:16 | asterick | Gotta go. |
| 17:42:42 | BigBoss | should be this week |
| 17:42:44 | nooone | laaalalaalaaaalalalalaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaaaa.... booooring while downloading :) |
| 17:42:51 | nooone | what about a zaurus quiz? :) |
| 17:42:53 | BigBoss | the developer was on vacation and today is independance day in the Ukraine |
| 17:43:02 | Com[Plex | message sent |
| 17:43:20 | imm | Sugar make nooone a caffee |
| 17:43:30 | scanline | nooone: pop quiz... where can we find the specs for the chip that controls the Z's front panel LEDs? |
| 17:43:44 | Tenchi | vacation... what a concept |
| 17:44:09 | Tenchi | i'm gonna have one of those vacation things someday! |
| 17:44:14 | nooone | LoL |
| 17:44:23 | XavierXeon | me too. well maybe |
| 17:44:25 | nooone | nowhere |
| 17:44:26 | Com[Plex | scanline, go to www.zauruszone.com/howtos |
| 17:44:28 | nooone | no chip controls them :) |
| 17:45:07 | Com[Plex | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/led_howto.shtml |
| 17:45:23 | Com[Plex | I want to mod my z to have blue and red leds |
| 17:45:32 | Com[Plex | IM gonna do it too. just watch |
| 17:45:54 | XavierXeon | i want to mod my z to have a 1600x1200 display |
| 17:45:56 | Com[Plex | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 17:45:58 | Com[Plex | hehe |
| 17:46:52 | treke | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/zaurus_fbvnc_panel.jpg <-rock |
| 17:47:39 | XavierXeon | lol |
| 17:47:41 | Com[Plex | thanx :> I made it myself. |
| 17:48:03 | nooone | is there a qlan card in the zaurus? |
| 17:48:11 | nooone | because I have it on my control panel?! |
| 17:48:14 | nooone | wlan |
| 17:48:18 | Com[Plex | I even rebuilt the app so the custom panel is built in. |
| 17:48:59 | XavierXeon | nooone: you have to buy a wlan card |
| 17:49:02 | oGMo | that is silly crazy ;) |
| 17:49:03 | tux_mike | my z needs a new coat of paint |
| 17:49:07 | Com[Plex | nooone.. no, there isnt a wlan card in the z unless you put it there.. |
| 17:49:09 | nooone | lol that sux :) |
| 17:49:20 | Com[Plex | so does mine actually, its pretty beat up |
| 17:49:23 | nooone | I thought so... |
| 17:49:29 | Com[Plex | im gonna strip it and paint it a lighter blue |
| 17:49:32 | imm | once modded his GameBoy |
| 17:49:41 | oGMo | man, sharp better enver stop makin' Z's |
| 17:49:44 | oGMo | they're just too fun |
| 17:49:49 | Com[Plex | lol. I modded aLL MY GAMEBOYS. |
| 17:49:55 | Com[Plex | caps |
| 17:50:01 | nooone | who of you have a better connection than 64k? |
| 17:50:16 | imm | had to buy a new case after his mod |
| 17:50:25 | oGMo | mod shmod, it doesn't count as a mod unless you have to tinker with the electronics ;) |
| 17:50:28 | tux_mike | i have |
| 17:50:36 | Com[Plex | hehe. /casemod |
| 17:50:37 | oGMo | still hasn't installed his afterburner though :( |
| 17:50:43 | nooone | lol |
| 17:50:46 | Com[Plex | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ |
| 17:51:20 | treke | imm: oops :) |
| 17:52:11 | Com[Plex | man, I wish I could get this lirc crap working.. |
| 17:52:11 | imm | treke: the color was not plastic frendly :) |
| 17:52:16 | kergoth | re |
| 17:52:49 | kergoth | bout done with fbvncserver |
| 17:52:55 | Com[Plex | heh. imm, you gotta uyse really expensive paint, or vynil dye. - or a special plastic sealant before you paint |
| 17:52:58 | kergoth | though I want to adapt it to use the qtopia calibration file |
| 17:53:23 | imm | Com[Plex: that was just acryl spray paint :) |
| 17:53:41 | Com[Plex | new fbvnc server? mucho improvements or? |
| 17:53:51 | Com[Plex | will you be putting a password on it? |
| 17:53:52 | kergoth | Com[Plex: just adaptations to make it work out of the box in OZ |
| 17:53:55 | kergoth | Com[Plex: so far... |
| 17:54:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:54:09 | treke | no password on it? scary |
| 17:54:19 | kergoth | heh, vnc with password isnt much less scary |
| 17:54:25 | treke | true |
| 17:54:30 | kergoth | we need iptables |
| 17:54:32 | Com[Plex | what are the problems with it not working out of the box on oz? or do you mean, the part where you have to calibrate it after restarting? |
| 17:54:43 | kergoth | Com[Plex: no, i mean it didnt work for shit at all |
| 17:54:49 | kergoth | Com[Plex: its flawed start scripts would kill opie. |
| 17:54:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:54:54 | Com[Plex | ahah. oh |
| 17:54:57 | Com[Plex | wow |
| 17:55:00 | BigBoss | Com[Plex: I'm told that this mp3 problem is with mono files. we are fixing it this week |
| 17:55:04 | kergoth | misgreps |
| 17:55:25 | Com[Plex | awesome bb, best of luck. |
| 17:55:28 | numatrix | anybody want to try a nes emulator? Need a recent libSDL, but it plays pretty decently. Word of warning, escape doesn't work yet, so it's a good idea to have an ssh shell handy to run it and kill it from. |
| 17:55:29 | tux_mike | kergoth: is the debian packages for kde 3.1? |
| 17:55:43 | kergoth | tux_mike: not updated, current debian packages are only for 3.0.3 iirc |
| 17:55:47 | numatrix | it's only a binary right now; http://d0pe.com/jordan/fceu |
| 17:55:49 | kergoth | tux_mike: i just built from cvs |
| 17:55:58 | treke | debs are still 2.2 |
| 17:55:59 | tux_mike | ok |
| 17:56:06 | kergoth | treke: unofficial debs are 3.0.3 :-) |
| 17:56:09 | treke | ah |
| 17:56:15 | tux_mike | any major instabilities? |
| 17:56:16 | kergoth | they work pretty well too |
| 17:56:21 | kergoth | tux_mike: not that i can find |
| 17:56:24 | kergoth | tux_mike: seems solid |
| 17:56:40 | Com[Plex | uh. kergoth, I really dont mind the insecurity of vnc on the z, butI would like to at least have athe password field to work |
| 17:56:44 | Com[Plex | and be setable. etc |
| 17:56:52 | numatrix | scanline: you about? |
| 17:57:08 | kergoth | Com[Plex: well, i may dig into that if i have time |
| 17:57:12 | kergoth | Com[Plex: juggling too many projects |
| 17:57:39 | Com[Plex | I understand completely |
| 17:57:53 | treke | kergoth: quit your job and live off the generosity of the community |
| 17:58:04 | kergoth | treke: i'd starve in days! ;-o) |
| 17:58:07 | kergoth | s/o//; |
| 17:58:16 | treke | s/days/day |
| 17:58:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:58:35 | Sniper | does anyone know - if i highlight text and copy it ? where does it store that? is their a temp file (clipboard)? |
| 17:58:41 | Com[Plex | I really wish I could be more useful in this area. instead of a parasite allways asking for help. |
| 17:58:50 | Sniper | a cache file that hold it? |
| 17:59:03 | Com[Plex | ium learning, but Ive allways avoided programming, since my niche lies in hardware. |
| 17:59:24 | BigBoss | Sniper: still no shipments received. you have any tracking numbers? |
| 17:59:36 | Sniper | bb: i sent your email onwards asking for it |
| 18:01:37 | whardier | What A great trip to mcdonalds! |
| 18:01:42 | whardier | I got to use my alter ego! |
| 18:01:44 | whardier | heh! |
| 18:02:14 | kergoth | whardier: which one? |
| 18:02:15 | erikd | sniper: i know qt has its own clipboard, dunno if all programs use it |
| 18:02:16 | whardier | some goth dude was there.. just looking his deal |
| 18:02:18 | whardier | my vin one |
| 18:02:24 | erikd | err |
| 18:02:24 | whardier | ate his burger.. left |
| 18:02:25 | erikd | hah |
| 18:02:28 | erikd | he's gone :) |
| 18:02:31 | tux_mike | where the heck to i get the kde cvs |
| 18:02:34 | whardier | everybody in mcdonalds started making fun of him |
| 18:02:41 | whardier | expecially this guy sitting right acrossed me! |
| 18:02:44 | whardier | I got pissed |
| 18:02:48 | whardier | calmed down |
| 18:02:53 | whardier | and asked "Does that make you feel big?" |
| 18:03:06 | whardier | hahaha |
| 18:03:11 | whardier | he was all confused |
| 18:03:14 | whardier | "what?" |
| 18:03:29 | whardier | "Does it make you feel big.. to make fun of somebodies appearance with all your friends here?" |
| 18:03:46 | kolla | /usr/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 020002e4 |
| 18:03:46 | whardier | by that time I was sone anyways so I emptied my tray and left |
| 18:03:49 | kolla | mf |
| 18:03:50 | whardier | I hope he stirs about that |
| 18:04:03 | whardier | is happy |
| 18:04:04 | whardier | that |
| 18:04:05 | jmhodges | lol |
| 18:04:09 | whardier | and on my way back home |
| 18:04:12 | erikd | needs $160 |
| 18:04:17 | whardier | I caught a grasshoper with a luigie |
| 18:04:21 | whardier | midair |
| 18:04:23 | whardier | it was pimp |
| 18:04:30 | erikd | who wants to donate to the "buy erikd books so he can be l33t" fund? ;) |
| 18:04:32 | whardier | 1anyhoot.. and I got payed |
| 18:04:36 | whardier | and I have a new netflix flick |
| 18:04:37 | whardier | so |
| 18:04:43 | whardier | overall the last hour has been fun |
| 18:04:48 | whardier | </babble> |
| 18:04:58 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 18:05:03 | Com[Plex | whardier. I did that one day at the diner down the street, some jock asshole started making comments about a long hairied hippie guy who walked in tyhere. |
| 18:05:12 | whardier | haha |
| 18:05:21 | whardier | I like picking on the pickers |
| 18:05:23 | whardier | is that wrong? |
| 18:05:27 | erikd | no |
| 18:05:36 | erikd | it's The Right Thing (tm) |
| 18:05:37 | whardier | what if I flick boogers at the pickers? |
| 18:05:42 | erikd | hmm |
| 18:05:48 | Com[Plex | I freaked out at him, <and IM not very big> I was IN his face asking him what a hippie ever did to hurt ANyone.> |
| 18:05:49 | erikd | do you wash your hands after? |
| 18:05:49 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 18:05:58 | erikd | if you do then yeah, it's ok |
| 18:06:01 | diclophis | what are we talking about, i was busy picking my nose |
| 18:06:02 | whardier | uhm |
| 18:06:03 | whardier | wtf |
| 18:06:04 | jmhodges | lol Com[Plex |
| 18:06:05 | whardier | grr |
| 18:06:12 | whardier | goes over his last invoices |
| 18:06:19 | Com[Plex | I told him if he had something to prove, to prove it somewhere else. told him he was showing off for his girlfriend and she obviously wasnt impressed. |
| 18:06:27 | Com[Plex | he didnt say a word. |
| 18:06:34 | Com[Plex | I dunno, I think he was actuallyu scared of me |
| 18:06:40 | treke | Com[Plex: was ljp the hippy? |
| 18:06:43 | Com[Plex | hahaha, I dunno, he could have erased me. |
| 18:06:43 | erikd | isn't going to get his Z for like 2 weeks :( |
| 18:06:51 | erikd | i can't wait that long |
| 18:07:00 | warmi | erikd: why is that ? |
| 18:07:10 | erikd | it says 7-10 days to ship |
| 18:07:22 | erikd | and then darien needs to ship it to me |
| 18:07:28 | erikd | after installing OZ :) |
| 18:07:34 | darienm | :) |
| 18:07:37 | jmhodges | tries to remember what he sat down to do |
| 18:07:40 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 18:07:44 | whardier | Bloody Fuck! |
| 18:07:47 | darienm | Ship it? ship it? Come down and get it :) |
| 18:07:48 | whardier | GRRRR! |
| 18:07:52 | treke | jmhodges: you sat down to play nwn |
| 18:07:52 | whardier | gets pissy |
| 18:07:54 | erikd | darien: can't afford the gas :) |
| 18:07:56 | jmhodges | what whardier? |
| 18:08:07 | darienm | erikd: then maybe I'll bring it up. |
| 18:08:11 | whardier | I am missing $805 |
| 18:08:12 | whardier | somewhere |
| 18:08:14 | erikd | hmmm |
| 18:08:15 | darienm | erikd: any strip clubs in your neighborhood? |
| 18:08:19 | roge99_laptop | whardier: did some one take an unautorized discount |
| 18:08:21 | jmhodges | hehehe i wish treke. Class in 15 minutes, then another free hour, then another class |
| 18:08:23 | erikd | nope |
| 18:08:30 | erikd | lives in the 'burbs |
| 18:08:35 | jmhodges | treke: i beat the first module! |
| 18:08:35 | erikd | there's -nothing- to do here |
| 18:08:39 | erikd | except movies |
| 18:08:41 | jmhodges | treke: im hella excited about that |
| 18:08:42 | erikd | and golf |
| 18:08:47 | erikd | :) |
| 18:08:50 | jmhodges | i did it while i had no net |
| 18:08:50 | jmhodges | :) |
| 18:09:00 | numatrix | whois _solaris_ |
| 18:09:04 | numatrix | :-) |
| 18:09:07 | jmhodges | the Old Ones are my bitches |
| 18:09:08 | numatrix | loves forgetting slashes |
| 18:09:22 | erikd | oh... there's an indoor paintball place here |
| 18:09:41 | erikd | never been there though |
| 18:09:48 | erikd | http://www.milwaukeepaintball.com/ |
| 18:10:08 | erikd | new management |
| 18:10:10 | erikd | hmmm |
| 18:10:21 | whardier | PHEW! |
| 18:10:21 | whardier | I found it! |
| 18:10:22 | whardier | I need to go to the bank! |
| 18:10:30 | jmh|class | im out |
| 18:10:30 | jmh|class | seeya |
| 18:10:30 | jmh|class | is away: |
| 18:10:33 | whardier | man I stink now |
| 18:10:33 | nooone | cya |
| 18:10:37 | | bzflag was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 15 hours, 26 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: jus checkin in [Sun Aug 25 03:43:49 2002] |
| 18:10:37 | darienm | ibot seen bzflag |
| 18:10:41 | whardier | man |
| 18:10:45 | whardier | I should play bzflag now |
| 18:11:01 | darienm | zsibot say something cute |
| 18:11:01 | zsibot | darienm: huh? |
| 18:11:07 | darienm | zsibot say something cuter |
| 18:11:07 | zsibot | darienm: sorry... |
| 18:11:12 | darienm | zsibot say something useless |
| 18:11:12 | zsibot | darienm: excuse me? |
| 18:11:22 | jmh|class | shit now i remember |
| 18:11:25 | erikd | <zsibot> teehee *giggle* |
| 18:11:29 | jmh|class | fuck |
| 18:11:33 | darienm | zsibot are you ready to become part of ibot? |
| 18:11:33 | zsibot | no idea, darienm |
| 18:11:37 | darienm | great |
| 18:11:52 | darienm | zsibot today is your big day. Are you up to the challenge? |
| 18:11:52 | zsibot | i haven't a clue, darienm |
| 18:11:54 | VerxWork | kergoth: Are you here? |
| 18:12:07 | whardier | I love you all |
| 18:13:27 | numatrix | Our little zsibot, all grown up and moving out into the big world. *sniff* *sniff* |
| 18:13:50 | imm | found out that on qt-interest beeing a woman would be helpfull |
| 18:14:12 | imm | zsibot: how old are you ? |
| 18:14:13 | zsibot | imm: wish i knew |
| 18:14:15 | kergoth | VerxWork: yeah, I'm cleaning up the fbvncserver packaging |
| 18:14:21 | kergoth | VerxWork: whats up? |
| 18:14:45 | VerxWork | I was wondering if you think I should continue to try to find people with the issue |
| 18:14:48 | VerxWork | or if I should stop |
| 18:14:55 | VerxWork | I am getting a little bit of feedback from people on it |
| 18:14:59 | whardier | is the zsibot on a Z? |
| 18:15:06 | darienm | no |
| 18:15:06 | whardier | then its NO GOOD! |
| 18:15:12 | kergoth | VerxWork: tis up to you.. it depends on whether the opie devs have enough information to try to debug |
| 18:15:19 | darienm | I suppose it _could_ be. |
| 18:15:20 | whardier | you should put it on a Z |
| 18:15:22 | kergoth | VerxWork: did you report it to the opie bugtracker? |
| 18:15:27 | whardier | then it would be the zsibot |
| 18:15:30 | imm | zsibot: prety bold for such a toddler |
| 18:15:31 | zsibot | imm: i'm not following you... |
| 18:16:09 | whardier | wow |
| 18:16:13 | whardier | I have 22Gigs free now! |
| 18:16:19 | whardier | I bet I could fill that in a day |
| 18:16:21 | imm | on your Z ? |
| 18:16:24 | darienm | its just a sapling, grown out of love and tenderness, and about to be replanted in the big forest. |
| 18:16:26 | whardier | imm: yeah! |
| 18:16:39 | imm | whardier: cool :) |
| 18:16:44 | whardier | no |
| 18:16:46 | whardier | not really |
| 18:17:01 | whardier | I don't think they make 80gig MMC cards |
| 18:17:05 | imm | whardier: you could make a debian mirror out of you Z now |
| 18:17:11 | whardier | hardly |
| 18:17:16 | whardier | only parts of x86 |
| 18:17:19 | _solaris_ | numatrix: ? |
| 18:17:27 | whardier | I have waited long enough |
| 18:17:30 | whardier | watches rollerball |
| 18:17:32 | tux_mike | whardier: i could fill 22G in in prolly a matter of hours |
| 18:17:38 | whardier | tux_mike: with povray? |
| 18:17:54 | tux_mike | whar: nah |
| 18:17:57 | kergoth | hrmmm |
| 18:17:59 | whardier | heh! |
| 18:18:03 | imm | yes >> /tmp/bigfile |
| 18:18:04 | numatrix | _solaris_: Don't ask... still getting used to my chat client. :-) |
| 18:18:30 | tux_mike | cat /dev/zero > this_is_gonna_take_all_my_space_up :) |
| 18:18:55 | kergoth | tux_mike: be creative, use /dev/urandom or something ;-) |
| 18:19:13 | noooone | OKAY! |
| 18:19:15 | tux_mike | not nearly as fast :) |
| 18:19:22 | kergoth | true |
| 18:19:35 | noooone | says: ITS <<<Impossible>> to flash my rom with OZ! |
| 18:19:41 | noooone | :,( |
| 18:19:57 | kergoth | noooone: as someone said earlier, try flashign a sharp rom |
| 18:19:58 | noooone | my LED´s still keep blinking... |
| 18:19:59 | tux_mike | try a brand new cf card |
| 18:20:04 | benmeyer_sharp | yawn |
| 18:20:08 | benmeyer_sharp | hi everybody! |
| 18:20:15 | whardier | I need a usb mpeg2 encoder |
| 18:20:15 | noooone | ITS IS brand new... |
| 18:20:16 | whardier | that works under linux |
| 18:20:21 | kergoth | nooone: wait, do they turn on then turn off, blink once? or do they keep blinking continuously |
| 18:20:29 | anselor | hi benmeyer |
| 18:20:29 | tux_mike | can you get your Z to boot? |
| 18:20:32 | noooone | i specially bought it today (256MB) ya know what they cost? |
| 18:20:40 | noooone | yes I can my Z boot |
| 18:20:53 | tux_mike | you could always get a 32M for flashing. |
| 18:21:01 | noooone | I know... |
| 18:21:01 | tux_mike | but, try a sharp image |
| 18:21:07 | noooone | I got a brand new 64M too |
| 18:21:15 | noooone | where to get? |
| 18:21:17 | noooone | DCC? |
| 18:21:20 | noooone | plz |
| 18:21:42 | kergoth | noooone: myzaurus.com for 5500 sharp roms |
| 18:21:47 | tux_mike | i dont have one, besides it's illegal to distrubute it on other means besides sharp's website |
| 18:21:54 | kergoth | noooone: or developer.sharpsec.com for 5000d roms |
| 18:22:01 | noooone | how big are they? |
| 18:22:07 | kergoth | how big is your flash? |
| 18:22:10 | noooone | I got 5500G! |
| 18:22:13 | tux_mike | same size as any oter, 16M |
| 18:22:16 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:22:22 | kergoth | the 5500g sharp rom isnt available i dont think |
| 18:22:25 | kergoth | ask sharp germany |
| 18:22:39 | noooone | I flashed that one already... |
| 18:23:05 | noooone | Version 2.38G |
| 18:23:08 | tux_mike | have you checked the checksums on the files? |
| 18:23:25 | kergoth | i doubt it, we only told him 3 or 4 times to use md5sum |
| 18:23:30 | kergoth | better tell him a f ew more |
| 18:23:31 | noooone | what are the checksums? |
| 18:23:42 | fusion94 | is away: chatting with "the" craig |
| 18:24:11 | noooone | ...? |
| 18:24:12 | noooone | what are the checksums? |
| 18:24:24 | noooone | I flashed my kernel to Version 2.38G |
| 18:24:25 | tux_mike | are you running linux on your desktop? |
| 18:24:30 | noooone | nop |
| 18:24:33 | noooone | but I got md5 |
| 18:24:42 | tux_mike | md5sum? |
| 18:25:05 | tux_mike | md5 is just a hash algo |
| 18:25:19 | noooone | sure |
| 18:25:23 | noooone | md5sum |
| 18:25:39 | tux_mike | ok, type md5sum <romimagefile> |
| 18:27:07 | noooone | 039e12288676870878c1020d2a9309c2 *initrd.bin |
| 18:27:11 | noooone | is it ok? |
| 18:27:22 | tux_mike | hold on |
| 18:27:42 | noooone | WHY can I flash the sharp kernel over the cradle? |
| 18:28:14 | tux_mike | no idea |
| 18:28:19 | tux_mike | i know nothing about it |
| 18:28:24 | noooone | is the md5sum okay? |
| 18:28:25 | diclophis | man dattlefield 1942 sucks |
| 18:28:40 | tux_mike | i don't know yet, i have to download the file first |
| 18:28:52 | noooone | how long does it take? need a cig... |
| 18:28:56 | darienm | BZFlag: !!! |
| 18:29:00 | noooone | I´m really sad... |
| 18:29:11 | noooone | why won´t any flash work when I try to do this :(( |
| 18:29:33 | noooone | its like I setup my first samba PDC.... |
| 18:29:35 | noooone | brb cig |
| 18:30:01 | VerxWork | diclophis: I heard it was excellent |
| 18:32:38 | noooone | okay... |
| 18:32:43 | noooone | is the md5 okay? |
| 18:32:45 | tux_mike | noone: your md5sum is ok |
| 18:32:45 | noooone | :) |
| 18:33:08 | tux_mike | i have no idea why it's not working besides the CF card |
| 18:33:21 | noooone | :) |
| 18:33:23 | noooone | thats the second cf card... |
| 18:33:40 | tux_mike | did you flash the rom originally with the CF card? |
| 18:33:46 | noooone | no |
| 18:33:49 | noooone | with the cradle |
| 18:33:55 | noooone | with the sharp programme |
| 18:34:26 | noooone | ROM-Utility 2.38G |
| 18:34:37 | noooone | maybe there are other keys for the german zaurus? |
| 18:34:50 | tux_mike | no, they are the same |
| 18:34:57 | noooone | oh man... |
| 18:35:09 | noooone | I paid 183€ for the card |
| 18:35:16 | tux_mike | are your 2 cf cards the same brand? |
| 18:35:29 | noooone | no |
| 18:35:36 | noooone | one intenso one aldi.,, |
| 18:35:40 | tux_mike | niether work? |
| 18:35:51 | noooone | nope |
| 18:36:04 | tux_mike | i have never heard of those brands. |
| 18:36:17 | tux_mike | perhaps they do something wierd on formatting |
| 18:36:31 | tux_mike | have you tried to use fdisk on the card? |
| 18:37:09 | noooone | what is fdisk =) |
| 18:37:13 | fusion94 | is back (gone 00:13:31) |
| 18:37:16 | noooone | say me what to do... |
| 18:37:37 | noooone | fdisk /dev/hda1 |
| 18:37:46 | tux_mike | the partitoing utility, download it from ZSI |
| 18:37:46 | noooone | after umount? |
| 18:37:47 | tux_mike | yes |
| 18:38:06 | tux_mike | delete all partitions and ten add it again |
| 18:38:20 | noooone | fdisk: not found... |
| 18:38:26 | noooone | fschk maybe? |
| 18:38:45 | noooone | nope... |
| 18:38:55 | noooone | howto... :( |
| 18:39:06 | noooone | I´m a "newbie" |
| 18:39:08 | kolla | have you tried upgrading the sharp rom? |
| 18:39:11 | noooone | almost |
| 18:39:25 | noooone | I upgraded to version 2.38G.... |
| 18:39:29 | tux_mike | you need toi install fdisk |
| 18:39:31 | noooone | my kernel is up to date |
| 18:39:44 | kolla | noooone: you managed to flash when updating? |
| 18:39:57 | noooone | you don´t need to... |
| 18:40:04 | kolla | er? |
| 18:40:05 | noooone | you start the program and do a total reset... |
| 18:40:07 | noooone | thats all |
| 18:40:15 | noooone | its automatic |
| 18:40:44 | kolla | ok, so they have a way to do it using that.. craddle |
| 18:40:53 | noooone | yes |
| 18:41:00 | noooone | oh man... |
| 18:41:05 | tux_mike | zsibot search for fdisk |
| 18:41:16 | darienm | search zsi for |
| 18:41:18 | kolla | only used thre craddle the first week to get the z online |
| 18:41:26 | noooone | I´m not interested anymore... its too hard to install :( |
| 18:41:33 | darienm | zsibot search zsi for fdisk |
| 18:41:39 | scanline | is away: class time |
| 18:41:42 | tux_mike | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=205 |
| 18:41:46 | noooone | its maybe not possible for me |
| 18:41:51 | kolla | noooone: what I wanted to know was that wether you were able to flash the update |
| 18:41:52 | tux_mike | get that. |
| 18:42:05 | tux_mike | delete the partiton and add it back in |
| 18:42:09 | darienm | 'search for' kills it |
| 18:43:26 | imm | zsibot: please come back |
| 18:43:26 | zsibot | imm: i'm not following you... |
| 18:43:34 | darienm | he's back |
| 18:43:46 | imm | undead ? |
| 18:44:00 | darienm | Its my bot.. I can restart it at will :) |
| 18:44:17 | darienm | but soon it will be wrapped into ibot. |
| 18:44:22 | nooone | re... |
| 18:44:24 | nooone | I´m tired for it... |
| 18:44:27 | darienm | in about 60 minutes, hear. |
| 18:44:31 | tux_mike | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=205 |
| 18:44:35 | nooone | I´ll stay with shitty QTopia... I cannot install opie |
| 18:44:36 | tux_mike | that is fdisk |
| 18:44:39 | | ljp: sorry... |
| 18:44:39 | ljp | ibot: run away! |
| 18:44:40 | tux_mike | download it |
| 18:44:45 | nooone | i know... |
| 18:44:50 | imm | darienm: i compiled a bot, but he wont come to #zaurus :) |
| 18:44:52 | darienm | zsibot, you will be assimilated |
| 18:44:53 | zsibot | darienm: what? |
| 18:45:08 | darienm | zsibot, join the borg. Resistance is futile. |
| 18:45:08 | zsibot | OK, darienm. |
| 18:45:14 | darienm | falls down laughing. |
| 18:45:57 | nooone | oh man... |
| 18:46:06 | imm | zsibot: good slave |
| 18:46:08 | zsibot | imm: excuse me? |
| 18:46:14 | JasonNJ | bleh |
| 18:46:24 | nooone | U see what happens when I´m sad? |
| 18:47:00 | nooone | *.net *.split |
| 18:47:06 | kergoth | zsibot join the borg. Resistance? |
| 18:47:07 | zsibot | i think join the borg. Resistance is futile. |
| 18:47:11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:47:24 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 18:47:25 | JasonNJ | kegoth: kernie? |
| 18:47:34 | kergoth | JasonNJ: working on fbvncserver packaging for OZ |
| 18:47:38 | ljp | kergoth: could you add carsten to some more cvs permissions, please? |
| 18:47:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its in the buildroot now |
| 18:47:39 | JasonNJ | ah. |
| 18:47:55 | kergoth | ljp: possibly, we probably need to have Nick do it th ough |
| 18:48:06 | ljp | ok. |
| 18:48:11 | nooone | I´m going to bed now... crying... its too hard to install Openzaurus! programm more and harder... |
| 18:48:48 | kergoth | nooone: you're the first person i've seen who's been unable to install it |
| 18:49:51 | nooone | ... |
| 18:49:59 | nooone | thats cool, but i need the reason... |
| 18:50:25 | kergoth | if i knew the reason i'd tell you |
| 18:50:36 | whardier | hmm |
| 18:50:41 | whardier | I need to split a divx file |
| 18:50:45 | whardier | I wonder if I can split it |
| 18:50:47 | nooone | where do you love? |
| 18:50:49 | whardier | then copy the headers from the first |
| 18:50:53 | nooone | sure you can... |
| 18:50:54 | whardier | I love all over my self |
| 18:50:58 | nooone | live LOL |
| 18:50:58 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:51:05 | Onyx4 | split the divx file with avisplit from transcode package |
| 18:51:12 | nooone | yeah |
| 18:51:15 | whardier | oh yeah! |
| 18:51:17 | whardier | I have that |
| 18:51:17 | whardier | heh |
| 18:51:17 | nooone | what a misstype... |
| 18:51:27 | nooone | where to you live kergoth? |
| 18:51:32 | kergoth | minnesota, USA |
| 18:51:47 | whardier | splits away |
| 18:52:17 | nooone | I´ll send you the zaurus and you flash it :) |
| 18:52:42 | nooone | oh message from Ircop :) |
| 18:53:26 | nooone | HAHA @ Bullyparade! |
| 18:53:56 | nooone | cool :) [21:57] <lilo> np 8) |
| 18:54:05 | nooone | Chat with the founder of OPN =) |
| 18:55:16 | bewmIES | funny |
| 18:55:18 | bewmIES | [ 1] lilo!*@*: ALL |
| 18:57:31 | nooone | damn... I need to change to my Original nick... |
| 18:58:37 | A_VeNoM | okay... |
| 18:58:42 | A_VeNoM | I´m going to leave now... |
| 18:58:47 | A_VeNoM | cya all |
| 19:02:50 | whardier | monolithic munkyfucks |
| 19:03:06 | whardier | fuck bucket razzamataz |
| 19:03:18 | whardier | fling flop floopy poop |
| 19:06:29 | | benmeyer_sharp: i'm not following you... |
| 19:06:29 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot borg |
| 19:06:37 | | benmeyer_sharp: excuse me? |
| 19:06:37 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot learn |
| 19:06:40 | | benmeyer_sharp: what? |
| 19:06:40 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot learning |
| 19:06:45 | | i don't know, benmeyer_sharp |
| 19:06:45 | benmeyer_sharp | ibot are you learning? |
| 19:08:21 | erikd | watches office space |
| 19:08:24 | erikd | with sound this time! |
| 19:08:58 | whardier | avisplit is so broken |
| 19:09:03 | benmeyer_sharp | lucky duck |
| 19:09:13 | whardier | audio = fux0red |
| 19:10:24 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 19:10:24 | kergoth | ibot are you learning is <reply> no. |
| 19:10:32 | whardier | heh' |
| 19:10:36 | | whardier: i haven't a clue |
| 19:10:36 | whardier | ibot are you learning? |
| 19:10:44 | kergoth | pfft |
| 19:10:46 | kergoth | stupid bot |
| 19:11:32 | kergoth | ls |
| 19:11:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:12:26 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: tell me about the -r switch in regards to cvs |
| 19:12:35 | benmeyer_sharp | chmod -x * -R |
| 19:12:36 | benmeyer_sharp | hehe |
| 19:16:29 | anselor | benmeyer_sharp: so if i get an email from you, does that mean i'm getting a Z? |
| 19:17:45 | benmeyer_sharp | unless I say otherwise, yes |
| 19:17:54 | anselor | yay!! |
| 19:17:58 | benmeyer_sharp | what was your app? |
| 19:18:04 | anselor | MatchMaker |
| 19:18:07 | benmeyer_sharp | ah |
| 19:18:09 | benmeyer_sharp | :-D |
| 19:18:12 | benmeyer_sharp | yes, most amusing |
| 19:18:16 | anselor | heheh |
| 19:18:20 | erikd | what's it do? |
| 19:18:33 | benmeyer_sharp | says I want to date myself |
| 19:18:36 | anselor | heheh |
| 19:18:36 | benmeyer_sharp | :-D |
| 19:18:39 | erikd | haha |
| 19:18:48 | anselor | haven't gotten the filtering all worked out yet |
| 19:18:49 | erikd | should be easy to work out dates then :) |
| 19:18:50 | imm | anselor: congratulation !!! |
| 19:18:55 | anselor | :-D |
| 19:19:28 | benmeyer_sharp | hehe, e-mail jwz and see if he wants to use it in his club |
| 19:19:30 | benmeyer_sharp | that would be amusing |
| 19:19:51 | chouimat | back |
| 19:20:26 | anselor | jwz? club? |
| 19:20:26 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: no idea.. never use it |
| 19:20:34 | benmeyer_sharp | ever heard of jwz? |
| 19:20:49 | anselor | no |
| 19:21:09 | whardier | uhm |
| 19:21:17 | whardier | is it supposed to be filmed in night vision? |
| 19:21:22 | benmeyer_sharp | author of netscape |
| 19:21:27 | benmeyer_sharp | and xscreensaver |
| 19:21:37 | anselor | ahh |
| 19:22:03 | whardier | I think somebody was trying to sell a commecial camera by using it in rollerball |
| 19:22:11 | benmeyer_sharp | http://www.dnalounge.com/ |
| 19:23:14 | hunger | Which filesystem is OZ's initrd using again? |
| 19:23:24 | imm | benmeyer_sharp: so you could test PocketFlirt now to have a overview on matchmaking :) |
| 19:23:34 | benmeyer_sharp | ``Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.'' |
| 19:23:53 | benmeyer_sharp | imm: is that your app? |
| 19:23:55 | whardier | hunger jffs2 |
| 19:23:59 | imm | benmeyer_sharp: yep |
| 19:24:00 | benmeyer_sharp | PocketFlirt? |
| 19:24:05 | benmeyer_sharp | ok, will look for it |
| 19:24:09 | benmeyer_sharp | havn't gotten to it |
| 19:24:13 | hunger | Damn... My kernel does not know that:-( |
| 19:24:15 | benmeyer_sharp | only go through maybe 20 apps today |
| 19:24:18 | darienm | benmeyer_sharp: pocketflirt is simple and cute |
| 19:24:20 | benmeyer_sharp | still have 13 I havn't looked at |
| 19:24:20 | imm | benmeyer_sharp: cool, thanks |
| 19:24:36 | hunger | kergoth: Could you dcc me a copy of OZ's /opt? I lost mine in a reset :-( |
| 19:25:02 | chouimat | benmeyer_sharp: seen my znessus? |
| 19:25:08 | JasonNJ | ah hell stock market tanked again today. |
| 19:25:16 | whardier | http://www.dnalounge.com/gallery/2002/08-11/41.html |
| 19:26:12 | anselor | ouch |
| 19:26:51 | chouimat | thinks that people are stupid |
| 19:27:00 | kergoth | agrees with chouimat |
| 19:27:04 | treke | wtf |
| 19:27:08 | imm | is that the black flag guy ? |
| 19:27:10 | VerxWork | kergoth: Did you see the email from Oliver Fels? |
| 19:27:20 | anselor | man, ouch again. |
| 19:27:28 | anselor | that burns my eyes. |
| 19:27:43 | chouimat | whardier: that guy need a 10 foot pole in the a** |
| 19:28:19 | numatrix | benmeyer_sharp: by the way, the NES emulator is coming along well. I have a few more changes to gameboy to make, and when I'm done with that I can move onto the NES more fully. |
| 19:30:01 | mark | /join #php |
| 19:30:27 | treke | didnt #php move to another network? |
| 19:30:33 | umopapisdn | kergoth: with OZ, is it possible to insert some script to be executed when a SD card or CF card is inserted/ejected? |
| 19:30:33 | kergoth | VerxWork: yes, and check out /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts |
| 19:30:42 | VerxWork | ok, will do |
| 19:30:42 | kolla | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/5a68.shtml :) |
| 19:30:44 | kergoth | umopapisdn: /etc/pcmcija/ .. read up |
| 19:30:52 | kergoth | VerxWork: see if the FSCK is yes or no |
| 19:31:00 | kergoth | VerxWork: iirc it doesnt check the filesystem on mount. |
| 19:31:10 | kergoth | VerxWork: so i think oliver isnt correct here |
| 19:31:23 | VerxWork | #DO_FSTAB="y" ; DO_FSCK="y" ; DO_MOUNT="y" |
| 19:31:25 | kergoth | VerxWork: besides, it'd show usage by fsck/mount not qpe |
| 19:31:34 | kergoth | try changing DO_FSCK |
| 19:31:53 | numatrix | kolla: Sweet, I didn't know thinkgeek carried those. There are a few other places you can get them. |
| 19:31:54 | VerxWork | to what, yes? |
| 19:32:02 | kergoth | VerxWork: um, its laready yes |
| 19:32:09 | VerxWork | it was commented out |
| 19:32:10 | kergoth | VerxWork: the format is 'y' or 'n' |
| 19:32:12 | VerxWork | see the "#" |
| 19:32:12 | VerxWork | ? |
| 19:32:17 | kergoth | VerxWork: oh |
| 19:32:19 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:32:22 | kergoth | well then |
| 19:32:23 | kolla | how can one fix so that mediaplayer doesnt panics when playing a file from CF and you wake it up fom suspend? |
| 19:32:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:32:40 | kergoth | VerxWork: run syslogd & klogd. suspend, resume |
| 19:32:46 | kergoth | VerxWork: check messages in /var/log/ |
| 19:35:51 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:35:55 | VerxWork | lemme privmsg you |
| 19:35:56 | VerxWork | sec |
| 19:36:36 | hunger | kergoth: Got a /opt for me? |
| 19:37:00 | kolla | why is the load so high, even when not running anything? |
| 19:37:14 | kergoth | kolla: system load? |
| 19:37:17 | kolla | yes |
| 19:37:20 | kergoth | kolla: its kapm-idled, i said that earlier |
| 19:37:21 | mickeyl | hunger: why don't you grab it out of the initrd? |
| 19:37:24 | hunger | kolla: It shows the idle tread which is run when nothing else is done. |
| 19:37:34 | kolla | so? |
| 19:37:40 | hunger | mickeyl: Because my stupid kernel does not have a jffs module:-( |
| 19:37:45 | kolla | kapm-idled? |
| 19:37:46 | VerxWork | kergoth: Test |
| 19:37:59 | hunger | kolla: It's a bug;-) (IMHO) |
| 19:38:00 | mickeyl | hunger: so just build it... it's a module, you can build it very fast. |
| 19:38:22 | kolla | doesnt make sense to have a load at 3 when doing nothing |
| 19:38:22 | hunger | mickeyl: Yeah... I'm downloading the sources allready:-) |
| 19:38:55 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:39:33 | VerxWork | bah |
| 19:39:35 | VerxWork | I will email it to you |
| 19:39:36 | VerxWork | sec |
| 19:39:39 | VerxWork | your email? |
| 19:39:42 | kergoth | k |
| 19:39:55 | hunger | VerxWork: Who? Me? |
| 19:40:09 | chouimat | BigBoss: got snow? |
| 19:40:27 | [DrEvil] | why is it a PITA to build evas2 |
| 19:40:33 | [DrEvil] | all those configure options |
| 19:40:54 | kergoth | VerxWork : kergoth@hyperion.digitalnemesis.net |
| 19:41:05 | kergoth | [DrEvil] : read the readme, it gives example config options for a ipaq |
| 19:41:12 | kergoth | [DrEvil] : course thats for FB, not qtopia |
| 19:41:21 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: not sure what you're trying to do |
| 19:41:33 | [DrEvil] | I'm trying to build it for my desktop right now |
| 19:41:35 | VerxWork | ok kergoth, just sent it to you |
| 19:41:44 | VerxWork | it is long, sorry, I didn't know what part might be relevant |
| 19:41:54 | kolla | cardmgr, dhcpcd, sshd, atd, ash, getty and ps are the only processes I run, yet load is 2.99 :) |
| 19:42:03 | [DrEvil] | there is supposed to be some qtopia options though |
| 19:42:08 | kergoth | kolla: you're not listening |
| 19:42:08 | kolla | must be some I/O waiting somewhere |
| 19:42:12 | VerxWork | kergoth: Do you have any CF cards? |
| 19:42:18 | kergoth | kolla: its *kapm-idled* |
| 19:42:23 | kergoth | kolla: its a kernel thread |
| 19:42:27 | kergoth | VerxWork: yes |
| 19:42:35 | kolla | ok? what does it do? |
| 19:42:58 | kergoth | kolla: has to do with power management, i dont know the details |
| 19:43:03 | kolla | aha |
| 19:43:04 | KGBudz | where is the bashrc file located on the z |
| 19:43:30 | hunger | kolla: It basically calls certain commands to signal that the CPU can go to low power mode. Showing it as load is very confusing. |
| 19:44:11 | kolla | ok |
| 19:44:13 | VerxWork | kergoth: Does your unit have this issue on suspend/resume if you have a CF memory card plugged in? |
| 19:44:14 | VerxWork | or no? |
| 19:44:22 | kergoth | VerxWork: no |
| 19:44:27 | VerxWork | strange |
| 19:44:39 | umopapisdn | VerxWork: I don't have it either. |
| 19:44:50 | VerxWork | maybe it is somehow the TYPE of CF card? |
| 19:44:55 | VerxWork | wait |
| 19:44:57 | VerxWork | here is something |
| 19:45:03 | VerxWork | are yours formatted FAT or EXT2? |
| 19:45:11 | VerxWork | is guessing you have ext2. |
| 19:45:16 | umopapisdn | VerxWork: FAT. |
| 19:45:20 | kergoth | no |
| 19:45:20 | VerxWork | bah! |
| 19:45:22 | kergoth | mine is vfat |
| 19:45:27 | kergoth | fat16 specifically |
| 19:45:31 | VerxWork | well |
| 19:45:33 | VerxWork | when I get home |
| 19:45:33 | umopapisdn | mine too. |
| 19:45:45 | VerxWork | I will try reformatting mine as fat16 |
| 19:45:49 | VerxWork | and see if that changes this |
| 19:45:52 | umopapisdn | VerxWork: What brand/size is yours? |
| 19:45:59 | VerxWork | mine is kingston 256MB |
| 19:46:06 | VerxWork | actually |
| 19:46:08 | VerxWork | one second |
| 19:46:24 | bbeattie | Does anyone here have a netgear ma701 CF wireless network card? |
| 19:47:02 | _solaris_ | benmeyer_sharp: how many .ipk app do you still need to test? |
| 19:47:04 | VerxWork | I forgot I have my little 40MB card |
| 19:47:10 | VerxWork | that I can do OZ flashes with |
| 19:47:15 | VerxWork | lemme try with that one in there |
| 19:48:20 | VerxWork | that's it! |
| 19:48:30 | VerxWork | with the sandisk 40MB card formatted as fat16 |
| 19:48:35 | VerxWork | I can suspend without issue |
| 19:48:37 | VerxWork | christ |
| 19:48:41 | VerxWork | what a pain in the rump |
| 19:48:55 | VerxWork | thanks for the help everyone! |
| 19:49:19 | VerxWork | btw kergoth |
| 19:49:23 | VerxWork | my email to you got kicked back |
| 19:49:36 | VerxWork | <kergoth@hyperion.digitalnemesis.net>: |
| 19:49:36 | VerxWork | 66.41.35.79 does not like recipient. |
| 19:49:37 | VerxWork | Remote host said: 554 <kergoth@hyperion.digitalnemesis.net>: Recipient address |
| 19:49:37 | VerxWork | rejected: Relay access denied |
| 19:49:37 | VerxWork | Giving up on 66.41.35.79. |
| 19:49:41 | VerxWork | doesn't matter now |
| 19:49:44 | VerxWork | but just so you know |
| 19:49:44 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:49:59 | darienm | VerxWork: leave off the hyperion |
| 19:50:12 | whardier | ok |
| 19:50:15 | whardier | Rollerball sucked fat ass |
| 19:51:27 | JasonNJ | What the hell |
| 19:51:27 | kolla | but... fat16 isnt fun |
| 19:51:32 | kolla | for my ogg files |
| 19:51:33 | JasonNJ | Caldera just changed its name to SCO? |
| 19:51:56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ? |
| 19:51:57 | [DrEvil] | that's the kiss of death |
| 19:51:58 | whardier | kills Rollerball |
| 19:51:59 | anselor | can you guys recommend a cf 802.11b card? looking for low power consumption and reliable |
| 19:52:00 | whardier | you suck! |
| 19:52:04 | kolla | maybe I should use affs :) |
| 19:52:13 | imm | who is Caldera ? :-) |
| 19:52:28 | mickeyl | anselor: socket/symbol |
| 19:52:39 | DrBoB | Linksys WCF12 |
| 19:52:55 | kergoth | VerxWork: so its something related to ext2 on the card? hm |
| 19:52:56 | DrBoB | socket is lower ppower |
| 19:53:24 | bbeattie | The netgear has low power comsumption, but it's disabled by default and I am currently working on figuring out how to enable it, (if anyone knows, let me know) |
| 19:53:36 | anselor | do you guys know a webpage comparing the different cards? |
| 19:53:44 | | numatrix: huh? |
| 19:53:44 | numatrix | ibot: wifi comparison |
| 19:53:50 | DrBoB | wcf12 is cheap and small |
| 19:53:57 | numatrix | Hmm; anybody know if you can search ibot's repository? |
| 19:54:09 | | numatrix: huh? |
| 19:54:09 | numatrix | ibot: wireless comparison |
| 19:54:12 | | anselor: i'm not following you... |
| 19:54:12 | anselor | ibot wifi |
| 19:54:13 | | i heard wireless was a pain in the @$$ to get working. |
| 19:54:13 | numatrix | ibot: wireless |
| 19:54:15 | mickeyl | anselor: zauruszone.com |
| 19:54:43 | darienm | numatrix: whatcha looking for? |
| 19:54:44 | DrBoB | wcf11 reports 1500 feet outdoor range whereas wcf12 has 997 foot range |
| 19:55:04 | bewmIES | HOw is the WCF-12 different from teh WCF-11? |
| 19:55:20 | numatrix | darienm: Wondering if I can search all of the little tidbits of knowledge ibot has. For example; I know there's a page comparing the power usage of different wifi cards, and am trying to find out if ibot has the link. If I don't know the exact phrase that keys it off, is there a way to search? |
| 19:55:24 | KallDrexx | hey hey |
| 19:55:39 | | anselor: excuse me? |
| 19:55:39 | anselor | ibot search wifi |
| 19:55:43 | anselor | nope.. |
| 19:55:44 | imm | hi |
| 19:55:55 | darienm | numatrix: I have a power consumption link off my site. |
| 19:55:55 | Wembly | ibot help |
| 19:55:57 | DrBoB | wcf12 is smaller...straight sides...won't block the earphone jack or the stylus |
| 19:56:03 | | darienm: what? |
| 19:56:03 | darienm | ibot power consumption |
| 19:56:15 | KGBudz | where is the bashrc file for bash? |
| 19:56:22 | treke | rocket elite is officially too complcated for me |
| 19:56:27 | darienm | numatrix: http://zaurus.kruss.com/ (try links) |
| 19:56:28 | | Wembly: huh? |
| 19:56:28 | Wembly | ibot search kergoth |
| 19:56:34 | Wembly | ibot help search |
| 19:56:44 | Wembly | urf |
| 19:56:45 | treke | KGBudz: ~/.bashrc |
| 19:56:50 | numatrix | darienm: no go on links... |
| 19:56:51 | Wembly | ibot search for kergoth |
| 19:56:57 | darienm | Wow, /me and Wembly are both hee at the same time |
| 19:57:00 | darienm | numatrix: then its in journal |
| 19:57:05 | Wembly | ibot search for wifi |
| 19:57:10 | darienm | s/hee/here |
| 19:57:13 | Wembly | hehe |
| 19:58:18 | | Wembly is nothing but a bawdy bag of cockered yoo-hoo. |
| 19:58:18 | DrBoB | ibot insult Wembly |
| 19:58:18 | numatrix | darienm: Hmm, I'm not finding it... |
| 19:58:19 | darienm | numatrix: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 19:58:19 | JasonNJ | lol their stock symbol is SCOX |
| 19:58:20 | nazarma | hi i just got a zaurus |
| 19:58:25 | numatrix | darienm: That's it, thanks. |
| 19:58:25 | darienm | ni nazarma |
| 19:58:29 | JasonNJ | falls off his chair laughing |
| 19:58:31 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: afternoon |
| 19:58:41 | nazarma | darienm: hi :) |
| 19:58:49 | | okay, numatrix. |
| 19:58:51 | numatrix | ibot: wireless is also http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 19:58:52 | imm | nazarma: from the challenge ? |
| 19:59:06 | nazarma | imm: nop :( |
| 19:59:06 | darienm | nazarma: would you classify yourself as a user or a developer? |
| 19:59:14 | whardier | abuser |
| 19:59:15 | _solaris_ | imm: did you get an answer from contest@z |
| 19:59:21 | imm | nazarma: anyway, congrat ! |
| 19:59:24 | nazarma | darienm: user |
| 19:59:31 | nazarma | imm: thanks |
| 19:59:33 | imm | _solaris_: not yet |
| 19:59:39 | Wembly | ibot search for wireless |
| 19:59:42 | _solaris_ | imm: did you send them the .ipk? |
| 19:59:44 | darienm | nazarma: stick around then, you might just learn something if you read between the lines. |
| 19:59:53 | chouimat | _solaris_: you? |
| 19:59:58 | nazarma | darienm: cool thanks |
| 20:00:00 | imm | _solaris_: yes, and x86 |
| 20:00:04 | darienm | nazarma: or, you can go straight to the source of knowledge: http://zaurus.kruss.com |
| 20:00:13 | _solaris_ | chouimat: no (answer) yes (.ipk) |
| 20:00:24 | _solaris_ | imm: ok... then I am not the only one |
| 20:00:34 | erikd | shameless plug! |
| 20:00:37 | erikd | loves those |
| 20:00:42 | erikd | does that all the time |
| 20:00:52 | chouimat | _solaris_: send a tarball with the source, screenshots and both binaries |
| 20:01:04 | bbeattie | Anyone know how to switch from an infrustructure network to an ad-hoc? Is it automatic? |
| 20:01:06 | _solaris_ | chouimat: why? |
| 20:01:14 | chouimat | _solaris_: GPL |
| 20:01:20 | DrBoB | The source ok knowledge is broken at the moment |
| 20:01:24 | _solaris_ | chouimat: would it make it faster? |
| 20:01:31 | _solaris_ | chouimat: did you receive anything yet? |
| 20:01:32 | DrBoB | source of knowledge |
| 20:01:43 | anselor | I got a reply earlier today. |
| 20:01:44 | DrBoB | is broken |
| 20:01:45 | chouimat | _solaris_: only the confirmation of reception |
| 20:01:46 | darienm | DrBoB: huh? |
| 20:01:52 | numatrix | _solaris_: I don't think there's anything we can do to speed it up besides let them get to each in time... :-) |
| 20:02:00 | darienm | DrBoB: my site? Its up.... |
| 20:02:04 | DrBoB | The links aren't linking |
| 20:02:23 | _solaris_ | numatrix: i didn't want to speed up... i just wanted to be sure that i was not the only one that didn't receive an answer... |
| 20:02:26 | chouimat | numatrix: and pray :) |
| 20:02:48 | DrBoB | maybe it's my browser is disabled |
| 20:02:50 | darienm | DrBoB: WHAT links aren't working.. ?? |
| 20:02:59 | imm | _solaris_: what did you wrote ? |
| 20:03:08 | _solaris_ | imm: formula storage |
| 20:03:10 | DrBoB | All I get is a bar across the top of the screen |
| 20:03:31 | DrBoB | with links to software, links etc |
| 20:03:50 | DrBoB | I click on em and no linkie |
| 20:04:15 | chouimat | _solaris_: formula storage? |
| 20:04:29 | _solaris_ | chouimat: yes... why? |
| 20:04:39 | chouimat | _solaris_: what that |
| 20:04:43 | darienm | DrBoB: What browser/platform? (there's no fancy stuff on that page) |
| 20:05:03 | _solaris_ | chouimat: i believe that is an application where you can write math formulas and then use them with a parser |
| 20:05:15 | DrBoB | now I get no nothing.....with reload on netscrape 4.x |
| 20:05:28 | _solaris_ | chouimat: how about u ? what did you write? |
| 20:05:40 | darienm | DrBob: Any different on this site? http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/ |
| 20:05:49 | darienm | chouimat wrote znessus :) |
| 20:06:43 | cranch|z | what up |
| 20:06:43 | anselor | DrBoB: don't use nutscrape 4.x :) |
| 20:07:58 | DrBoB | THere..ow it's working...I had to kill and restart nutscrape |
| 20:08:22 | DrBoB | now it's working....it was my lame browser |
| 20:08:38 | chouimat | _solaris_: a nessus client |
| 20:09:22 | darienm | hands DrBoB a new, free, non-lame browser |
| 20:10:59 | DrBoB | look...it came with the distro... and I'm too lazy to upgrade |
| 20:11:06 | chouimat | darienm: you like my znessus? |
| 20:11:16 | DrBoB | :-) |
| 20:11:17 | darienm | DrBoB: try w3m or lynx :) |
| 20:11:21 | darienm | chouimat: I saw the screens. |
| 20:11:27 | kergoth | d: thats what apt-get is for |
| 20:11:30 | darienm | chouimat: I believe it has a future |
| 20:11:30 | DrBoB | I got Lynx too |
| 20:11:35 | kergoth | s/d/drbob/; |
| 20:11:57 | chouimat | darienm: ?I hope that the sharp guys will think the same :) |
| 20:13:27 | _solaris_ | chouimat: where can i find the screens |
| 20:14:09 | chouimat | _solaris_: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 |
| 20:16:11 | _solaris_ | chouimat: nice! |
| 20:16:25 | _solaris_ | did anyone receive a negative answer from contest@zaurus? |
| 20:17:06 | treke | I think some people have |
| 20:17:43 | _solaris_ | treke: do you know the reason? |
| 20:17:58 | darienm | _solaris_: It was indicated that some programs were not as "refined" either from a programming or user interface perspective. |
| 20:18:24 | treke | s/refined/working/ |
| 20:18:38 | darienm | _solaris_: I don't believe any were outright rejected, but they were required to correct issues before moving forward (receiving the Zaurus) |
| 20:18:41 | warmi | darienm: hows StatGrapher coding going ? |
| 20:18:49 | darienm | warmi: StatGrapher ROCKS! |
| 20:18:55 | darienm | warmi: want to run a beta? |
| 20:18:58 | Com[Plex | wee |
| 20:19:02 | warmi | no coding problems or anything like that ? |
| 20:19:05 | darienm | warmi: none |
| 20:19:11 | _solaris_ | darienm: who told you that? |
| 20:19:12 | warmi | sure ... if you could send me ipkg |
| 20:19:18 | warmi | I would love to check it out |
| 20:19:21 | warmi | warmi@warmi.net |
| 20:19:38 | darienm | _solaris_: benmeyer mentioned something along those lines this morning |
| 20:19:52 | kergoth | darienm: send it my way as well if you dont mind :-) |
| 20:21:17 | umopapisdn | darienm: what does StatGrapher do? |
| 20:21:32 | darienm | umopapisdn: http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/sg-index.php |
| 20:21:56 | darienm | StatGrapher is an application that records numeric values and stores them in categories. It provides the means to graph the values for a particular category over time, and to export the data to common formats. |
| 20:22:45 | kergoth | darienm: you should put screenshots up there |
| 20:22:48 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:22:51 | _solaris_ | darienm: is that your challange app? |
| 20:22:57 | darienm | kergoth: http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/sg-ui.php |
| 20:23:06 | darienm | _solaris_: YES |
| 20:23:11 | imm | darienm: its private |
| 20:23:19 | darienm | what's private? |
| 20:23:35 | darienm | Look in 'UI sketches' for screenies |
| 20:23:39 | imm | darienm: sorry, i took the wrong link |
| 20:23:41 | darienm | snapshots is code |
| 20:23:48 | darienm | maybe its worded poorly |
| 20:24:02 | chouimat | re |
| 20:24:11 | chouimat | _solaris_: did you like? |
| 20:24:41 | _solaris_ | chouimat: what? |
| 20:24:50 | chouimat | _solaris_: my screens |
| 20:25:12 | _solaris_ | yes... it is nice |
| 20:26:06 | chouimat | _solaris_: the apps actualy work quite well, some bugs to fix but I have about 80% of the fonctionnality I want in it |
| 20:26:34 | imm | darienm: looks realy nice, im looking forward to show it to my co-worker who has to much blood glucose |
| 20:26:47 | imm | darienm: on my own Z i hope :) |
| 20:27:10 | darienm | imm: thanks! |
| 20:27:23 | _solaris_ | chouimat: gpl? |
| 20:27:50 | _solaris_ | chouimat: looking forward to receiving my z so that i can test it! :-) |
| 20:29:02 | chouimat | _solaris_: yes |
| 20:29:15 | chouimat | _solaris_: the palmos version is not |
| 20:29:48 | _solaris_ | who wrote the palmos version? you ? |
| 20:31:27 | _solaris_ | there was also someone else that wrote the same software... did you try it? |
| 20:33:06 | chouimat | _solaris_: I writing one |
| 20:34:37 | darienm | BZFlag lied to me... |
| 20:34:51 | darienm | :( |
| 20:36:55 | Bala | about what darienm? |
| 20:37:19 | darienm | Said he'd be at work in an hour to roll zsibot's search function into ibot.. that was 2.5 hours ago. |
| 20:37:32 | Bala | heh... im sure he'll get to it :) |
| 20:37:48 | darienm | Yeah? You'll guarantee that? |
| 20:38:14 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges! |
| 20:38:35 | Bala | just like i told myslef i'd code the notes handling into my app yesteraday.. im sure i'll get too it :) i just havent motivated myslef to do it yet |
| 20:38:40 | jmhodges | heya W|GGL|T! |
| 20:38:47 | darienm | There's the liar.. uh I mean.. There's that fine fellow BZFlag now! |
| 20:38:47 | jmhodges | just got the net back |
| 20:38:49 | jmhodges | moving sucks! |
| 20:38:54 | jmhodges | but now im in my dorm! |
| 20:38:57 | jmhodges | its awesome |
| 20:39:14 | jmhodges | the only one iwth air conditioning and right next to the science buildings! |
| 20:39:29 | BZFlag | smacks darienm up side the head. ;-) |
| 20:39:35 | darienm | *doh* |
| 20:39:35 | BZFlag | darienm: what's that url again? |
| 20:39:44 | darienm | http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zsi.tar |
| 20:39:49 | cod | hi > all |
| 20:39:56 | darienm | hi < cod |
| 20:40:13 | W|GGL|T | just bought me a notebook wireless card for like $50 |
| 20:40:15 | kergoth | echo greetings > cod |
| 20:40:34 | anselor | anyone have any idea where to get the ambicom wireless card? nobody seems to carry it. |
| 20:42:43 | cod | could you please tell me where can I find a PDF viewer for Zaurus that can display in landcape mode ? I've already tried qpdf+qpe-rotation+qt=embeded-rotation, no good |
| 20:43:00 | darienm | cod: write one? |
| 20:43:11 | | darienm: excuse me? |
| 20:43:11 | darienm | ibot, search zsi for pdf |
| 20:43:16 | darienm | Damnit ibot !!! |
| 20:43:23 | darienm | zsibot search zsi for pdf |
| 20:43:24 | zsibot | qpdf 1.50 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=4 |
| 20:43:25 | zsibot | txt2pdf_5.8 5.8 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=218 |
| 20:43:26 | zsibot | ZKeys 1.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=161 |
| 20:43:32 | darienm | cod: you could try those |
| 20:43:42 | darienm | oh, wait. You did |
| 20:45:04 | _solaris_ | what is the landscape mode? |
| 20:45:21 | cod | txt2pdf is a converter, no good, qpdf, not working with qpe-rotation and about writing code, I'm a Java developer and I've focusing in J2EE now, so no chance of getting into QT ;) wy wife is coding QT apps and I don;t like it so much as JAva. If it coudlexista IDE for QT laike IntelliJ Idea is for Java, then I'll reconsider my priorities :) |
| 20:45:27 | darienm | _solaris_: turn your sreeen sideways 90-degrees |
| 20:45:39 | cod | landscape mode (rotate the screen) |
| 20:45:44 | cod | :) |
| 20:46:08 | Com[Plex] | woops |
| 20:46:29 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 20:46:48 | imm | cod: kdevelop 3 will have an Idea mode |
| 20:47:05 | cod | huh ? |
| 20:47:09 | kergoth | whew |
| 20:47:25 | | KDevelop is a new C++ development environment for Unix/X11.. URL: http://www.kdevelop.org/ |
| 20:47:25 | imm | ibot kdevelop |
| 20:47:36 | cod | kdevelep3 != "Intellij Idea" |
| 20:47:37 | kergoth | cod: kdevelop works as an ide for qt and specifically, qtopia dev |
| 20:47:43 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:47:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:47:53 | kergoth | fyi, fbvncserver package in the OZ feed now |
| 20:47:58 | kergoth | for those who are interested |
| 20:48:06 | imm | cod: thats right |
| 20:48:16 | chouimat | cod: their is a gui mode like Intellij |
| 20:48:43 | cod | and Kdevelop does not have a chance against Idea, including refactoring, help per any thing you want and so on |
| 20:49:53 | imm | cod: shure, and it dont have this fuzzy warm feeling when you wait for widgets to show up :) |
| 20:50:05 | Wembly | pfft |
| 20:50:06 | cod | imagine that I enter someObject. and then appear the coomon drop list of methods, adn whiole browsing these methods, (arrow up/down) I see in the upper part of the browser the javadoc for corresponding method |
| 20:50:14 | cod | that's divine :) |
| 20:50:16 | cod | anyway |
| 20:50:19 | Wembly | all these 'language speific gui's.... |
| 20:50:21 | Wembly | such a waste |
| 20:50:23 | cod | sorry for boring you about java |
| 20:50:31 | kergoth | 'll stick to vim |
| 20:50:36 | cod | I'll take a look on ZKeys .. |
| 20:50:44 | Wembly | make a bloody gui that will work on mutliple languages |
| 20:50:50 | Wembly | hell even microsoft finally figured it out |
| 20:50:52 | cod | Together? |
| 20:50:56 | darienm | cod: its just a shortcut file, ignore it |
| 20:50:57 | cod | That something nice |
| 20:50:58 | imm | cod: i like java |
| 20:51:05 | Wembly | took em bloody forever emacs and such's been doing it forever. |
| 20:51:06 | cod | but too damn expesive |
| 20:51:13 | imm | cod: kdevelop has codecompletion |
| 20:51:30 | chouimat | and jav a support |
| 20:51:39 | cod | waht about code tempaltes for code surround ? |
| 20:52:28 | cod | in java I simpley enter a line of code that generate exceptions and then with a shortcutkey I have try/catch suroundign it |
| 20:53:04 | Com[Plex] | zsibot search zsi gcc |
| 20:53:05 | zsibot | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 20:53:06 | cod | notn to mention the case of Inner or anonymous EventListeners |
| 20:53:20 | darienm | "zsibot search for <term>" |
| 20:53:22 | cod | on the other hand the idea of Slots/Signals in QT is very nice |
| 20:53:23 | darienm | bah |
| 20:53:25 | Com[Plex] | zsibot search zsi forgcc |
| 20:53:26 | zsibot | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 20:53:27 | Com[Plex] | damnit |
| 20:53:29 | darienm | "zsibot search zsi for <term>" |
| 20:53:29 | Com[Plex] | zsibot search zsi for gcc |
| 20:53:30 | zsibot | busybox_0.60.3 0.60.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=167 |
| 20:53:31 | zsibot | dev_img-1.3 1.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=293 |
| 20:53:32 | JasonNJ | zsibot search for spock |
| 20:53:32 | zsibot | distcc 0.7 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=387 |
| 20:53:46 | imm | cod: dont blame an ide for language mistakes |
| 20:53:51 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. wehere can I find this zgcc everyones talking about? |
| 20:53:57 | cod | :) true |
| 20:54:01 | darienm | thanks JasonNJ |
| 20:54:05 | darienm | you killed him |
| 20:55:04 | Com[Plex] | anyone even heard of this zgcc? |
| 20:55:10 | darienm | yeah |
| 20:55:18 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its just gcc, built for use ont eh Z |
| 20:56:01 | Com[Plex] | right.. im lokoing for it.. |
| 20:56:16 | darienm | http://celab21.pc.elec.uq.edu.au/~tina/arm-gcc.html |
| 20:56:21 | Com[Plex] | tghink I found it |
| 20:56:22 | cod | zsibot search for make |
| 20:56:25 | Com[Plex] | damnit I cant type |
| 20:56:25 | darienm | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 20:56:54 | Com[Plex] | darien, IM trying to compile on the z itself |
| 20:57:05 | darienm | XavierXeon has a cramfs with all the tools on it. |
| 20:57:43 | Com[Plex] | well. what do I do with that? |
| 20:57:47 | darienm | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/zindex.html |
| 20:57:47 | sjohnson | Com[Plex]: You can get some native ARM compilers on handhelds.org. They are packaged as .tgz and ipk |
| 20:58:21 | darienm | Com[Plex]: http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/gcc/gcc.html |
| 20:58:59 | Com[Plex] | roger that, thanx :> |
| 20:59:45 | cod | hmm, so there is no Landscape PDF viewer fro Z? even for money ? |
| 20:59:54 | cod | if not for free :) |
| 20:59:58 | treke | cod: just rotate the free pdf viewer |
| 21:00:20 | cod | doesn-t work |
| 21:00:26 | cod | I've already mentioned this |
| 21:00:33 | treke | I've done it |
| 21:00:42 | cod | simply crashes dammit |
| 21:00:55 | cod | what qpe-rotate version and qt-embeded-roation did you used ? |
| 21:00:55 | hunger | What is the jffs2 module called? |
| 21:00:56 | kergoth | cod: are you using 1.5.0 qpdf or the qpdf from opie? |
| 21:00:59 | _solaris_ | cod: can't you rotate the zaurus? |
| 21:01:06 | kergoth | hunger: jffs2 ;-) |
| 21:01:09 | hunger | What do I need to mount initrd? |
| 21:01:12 | cod | arrrr |
| 21:01:19 | hunger | kergoth: Damn... I can't find that:-( |
| 21:01:40 | kergoth | hunger: its under filesystems.... |
| 21:01:50 | kergoth | hunger: and you cant use loopback mount with jffs2 |
| 21:01:56 | kergoth | hunger: you need a special method |
| 21:02:00 | cod | I have qpe-qpdf_1.5.0-20020618, qpe-rotation_1.4.0-1_arm.ipk and qt-embedded-rotation_2.3.2-1_arm.ipk > kergoth |
| 21:02:00 | kergoth | hunger: you use the mtdram module |
| 21:02:16 | kergoth | cod : try a more recent qpdf |
| 21:02:18 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:02:29 | kergoth | cod: do other things rotate fine? did you restart qtopia after rotating? |
| 21:02:38 | hunger | kergoth: So what do I need to do to extract /opt from initrd.bin? |
| 21:02:44 | cod | hmm |
| 21:02:50 | kergoth | hunger: jffs2 module, mtdram module |
| 21:03:15 | hunger | kergoth: I got mtdram... |
| 21:03:24 | hunger | kergoth: I don't have jffs2:-( |
| 21:03:40 | scanline | is back (gone 02:22:02) |
| 21:04:04 | hunger | I eneabled everything under filesystems... Doesen't it come with the kernel? |
| 21:04:27 | cod | to enalbe rotation I start the applet from Tools section > kergoth |
| 21:04:47 | cod | ofc upon qtopia restart the applet go away |
| 21:05:06 | treke | cod: you add something like Rot=270 to the .desktop file dor the pdf viewer |
| 21:05:18 | cod | and yes, I've restarted qtopia after qt-emebeded-rotation install |
| 21:05:35 | cod | nope, I'll try this |
| 21:07:43 | Statham | hello |
| 21:07:50 | darienm|away | Back in a few hours. |
| 21:08:08 | darienm|away | Hopefully BZFlag will have integrated zsibot into ibot :) |
| 21:08:19 | Statham | hi there |
| 21:09:07 | Statham | anyone know how toget the jabber client working on the zaurus ?? |
| 21:09:50 | Cloudchaser | its all in the user guide how to get it working |
| 21:10:06 | kergoth | cod: huh? you first run Rotation in Settings. select your rotation, then you hit OK and *restart qtopia* |
| 21:10:13 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: working fbvncserver in OZ :_) |
| 21:10:16 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 21:10:19 | Cloudchaser | oh!! |
| 21:10:26 | Cloudchaser | you're awesome! |
| 21:10:27 | cod | I did that, no good :( > kergoth |
| 21:10:31 | Cloudchaser | dances |
| 21:10:33 | Statham | it doesnt launch do u need to load any xtra lib,s? |
| 21:10:37 | kergoth | cod: did qtopia itself rotate? |
| 21:10:42 | cod | nope |
| 21:10:57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i'll uploda a new ipk in a few. theres one up there now but i dont liek the way its handling the ts |
| 21:10:59 | Cloudchaser | is it new ipkg on feed kergoth? |
| 21:11:02 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 21:11:03 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 21:11:10 | kergoth | cod: then your rotation in general is screwed up not qpdf |
| 21:11:28 | Cloudchaser | i had to reflash last night cause i hosed it and it was too late to start all over again |
| 21:11:32 | cod | this means I should get another versio of wt-embede-roation + qpe-rotation ? |
| 21:11:33 | JasonNJ | blargh. |
| 21:11:38 | Cloudchaser | but soon as i get a few hours i'll reinstall oz |
| 21:11:43 | chouimat | JasonNJ: ?? |
| 21:11:45 | Cloudchaser | hiya JasonNJ |
| 21:11:48 | Onyx4 | zibot: qtopia-x |
| 21:11:50 | Cloudchaser | and chouimat |
| 21:11:55 | Cloudchaser | and Onyx4 |
| 21:11:57 | chouimat | hi Cloudchaser |
| 21:12:00 | Onyx4 | zsibot: find qtopia-x |
| 21:12:00 | zsibot | Onyx4: excuse me? |
| 21:12:03 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: I want to convert it to use the qtopia calibration file, so that we dont have to calibrate twice |
| 21:12:03 | JasonNJ | have they actually gotten QtopiaX to work yet? |
| 21:12:12 | Cloudchaser | o cool |
| 21:12:18 | kergoth | JasonNJ: qtopia-x is just Xvnc |
| 21:12:23 | Onyx4 | thats what I wnated to find out |
| 21:12:23 | JasonNJ | oh ok. |
| 21:12:30 | JasonNJ | I thought it was Qtopia ON X. |
| 21:12:34 | Statham | has anyone used jabber on the zaurus successfully |
| 21:12:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:12:39 | Cloudchaser | yes Statham |
| 21:12:40 | kergoth | qtopia on X will work, but not well |
| 21:12:58 | Onyx4 | it was more the other way around, running X applications remotely on qtopia |
| 21:13:20 | Statham | how did uget it to work |
| 21:13:22 | kergoth | Onyx4: well, Xvnc would let you do that |
| 21:13:22 | JasonNJ | have we found a decent way to integrate VNX X stuff into qtopia yet? |
| 21:13:25 | Cloudchaser | Statham did you read the user guide that came with it? |
| 21:13:31 | kergoth | Onyx4: you just use the vnc viewer on the Z to connect to it |
| 21:13:40 | JasonNJ | would be cool if we could figure out how to fire them off from the launcher |
| 21:14:23 | treke | wouldnt be too tough |
| 21:14:28 | bewmIES | Yeah, having VNC on the Z is _so_ nice. |
| 21:14:46 | treke | just add a command line param to launch a connection |
| 21:15:12 | Statham | ijust installed the ipkg fromthe net directly an icon appeared in the app tab but it doesnt work |
| 21:15:14 | JasonNJ | we should come up with a standard to create a tab for VNC x apps |
| 21:15:27 | JasonNJ | and to put icons in there |
| 21:15:32 | Cloudchaser | that's not possible as far as i know |
| 21:15:41 | cod | dammit, stuppid question: a ipk for ipaq works on a Z? > kergoth |
| 21:15:41 | Cloudchaser | did you get it from tkc or from handango? |
| 21:16:12 | Statham | zaurus zone feed |
| 21:16:29 | Cloudchaser | is it tkc jabber? |
| 21:16:36 | cod | btw, I've DL packages for roqtion stuff from: http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq ...> kergoth |
| 21:16:42 | Statham | nope the free one |
| 21:16:44 | JasonNJ | theres TKC shit on teh zauruszsone feed? |
| 21:16:48 | treke | JasonNJ: then as long as DISPLAY is set and access control is set up properly, it should "just work" |
| 21:16:49 | JasonNJ | there shouldnt be. |
| 21:16:56 | Cloudchaser | ah i didn't know there was a free one |
| 21:16:57 | Statham | maybe thats why it doesnt work |
| 21:17:13 | Cloudchaser | tkc jabber is not free |
| 21:17:33 | Statham | the tkc one works ok?? |
| 21:17:49 | JasonNJ | nope. No tkc stuff on the ZZ feed. |
| 21:17:49 | Cloudchaser | yes it works fine |
| 21:18:09 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ maybe he's talking about qtjim |
| 21:18:18 | VerxWork | Cloudchaser: Did you hear about the load issue? |
| 21:18:27 | VerxWork | I finally figured out what was causing it |
| 21:18:29 | Cloudchaser | i read it was still there VerxWork |
| 21:18:34 | VerxWork | well |
| 21:18:34 | Statham | qtjim yes thats it |
| 21:18:41 | VerxWork | the problem wasn't the qpe binary |
| 21:18:43 | Cloudchaser | i thought you had already figured out what it was |
| 21:18:44 | VerxWork | it was with the CF card |
| 21:18:53 | VerxWork | Cloudchaser: I am guessing you have a CF card in |
| 21:18:58 | Cloudchaser | sometimes i do |
| 21:19:15 | cod | opie-rotaion is OK ? |
| 21:19:19 | Cloudchaser | always have sd card in |
| 21:19:25 | _solaris_ | what is tkc? |
| 21:19:31 | | i think tkc is at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 21:19:31 | Cloudchaser | ibot tkc |
| 21:19:48 | Cloudchaser | Statham i never used qtjim |
| 21:19:56 | Cloudchaser | tkcjabber was first app i bought for z |
| 21:20:10 | Statham | ok has anyone else tried qtjim ? |
| 21:20:28 | VerxWork | Cloudchaser: Try this |
| 21:20:31 | | imm: excuse me? |
| 21:20:31 | imm | ibot qtjim |
| 21:20:31 | VerxWork | remove your CF card |
| 21:20:38 | VerxWork | restart opie |
| 21:20:45 | imm | iboz zbounce |
| 21:20:49 | VerxWork | and then look at your load before and after a suspend |
| 21:20:52 | VerxWork | it should be fine |
| 21:22:21 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: you get my email? |
| 21:22:23 | | OK, imm. |
| 21:22:23 | imm | ibot learn zbounce is that very nice game brought to the Zaurus by imm |
| 21:22:31 | | imm: huh? |
| 21:22:31 | imm | ibot zbounce |
| 21:22:47 | imm | stupid ibot |
| 21:22:58 | Cloudchaser | VerxWork i borked my z last night and reflashed with sharp rom because i needed z for work today and it was almost midnight |
| 21:23:10 | imm | how can i learn ibot something ? |
| 21:23:42 | VerxWork | ahhh |
| 21:23:45 | imm | ibot help learn |
| 21:23:48 | VerxWork | Cloudchaser: Lemme give you an idea I had |
| 21:23:54 | VerxWork | I dunno if it would work for you or not |
| 21:23:55 | Cloudchaser | VerxWork: i was updating ipkg and i ran out of space and hosed it bad |
| 21:24:02 | Cloudchaser | opie wouldn't restart |
| 21:24:08 | VerxWork | yeah, I had that happen to me last night too |
| 21:24:11 | | Mnhehf |
| 21:24:11 | imm | ibot rot13 Zaurus |
| 21:24:13 | VerxWork | BUT |
| 21:24:17 | Cloudchaser | wow really? |
| 21:24:23 | VerxWork | I had just made a backup |
| 21:24:29 | VerxWork | so I got right back where I was in about 3 minutes |
| 21:24:35 | VerxWork | every single time I do an install |
| 21:24:37 | | vzz |
| 21:24:37 | chouimat | ibot rot13 imm |
| 21:24:40 | VerxWork | I do a backup beforehand |
| 21:24:44 | Cloudchaser | how'd you do that backup??? |
| 21:24:44 | VerxWork | and then after it works |
| 21:24:51 | Onyx4 | yeah I wanna find out too |
| 21:24:55 | Onyx4 | never made a backup on OZ yet |
| 21:24:57 | VerxWork | if it doesn't work, I just go and restore |
| 21:25:00 | VerxWork | it is sooooo easy |
| 21:25:09 | VerxWork | you know the initrd.bin file you use to flash oz? |
| 21:25:14 | Onyx4 | y |
| 21:25:15 | Cloudchaser | i backed up my data... but i want something like shapr rom backup til |
| 21:25:17 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 21:25:21 | VerxWork | you can make your own |
| 21:25:23 | VerxWork | just do this: |
| 21:25:27 | treke | zaurus mobile made /. |
| 21:25:34 | | pubhvzng vf n sbby |
| 21:25:34 | imm | ibot rot13 chouimat is a fool |
| 21:25:36 | BigBoss | in a good way? |
| 21:25:41 | VerxWork | dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/some_image_name.jffs2 |
| 21:25:47 | VerxWork | that's -*IT*- |
| 21:25:51 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 21:25:52 | Cloudchaser | i don't get it |
| 21:25:57 | VerxWork | then if you wanna reflash, just rename it to initrd.bin |
| 21:26:04 | VerxWork | and put it on the CF card you would flash with |
| 21:26:05 | VerxWork | and voila |
| 21:26:10 | VerxWork | you are right back where you were before |
| 21:26:11 | treke | BigBoss: mostly just an announcement that its available |
| 21:26:14 | BigBoss | hi chouimat |
| 21:26:28 | BigBoss | cool - did they mention that tkcJabber is the perfect companion? :) |
| 21:26:31 | chouimat | BigBoss: did you get Snow? |
| 21:26:32 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 21:26:41 | treke | almost as good as qtjim :) |
| 21:26:43 | VerxWork | well |
| 21:26:46 | VerxWork | I need to head home |
| 21:26:51 | VerxWork | any more questions on that? |
| 21:27:02 | Onyx4 | now how about the stuff on the SD card |
| 21:27:08 | Onyx4 | you need to do a manual tar backup of it |
| 21:27:31 | BigBoss | chouimat: I'm not expecting it till the end of the week, but that is all I'm gonna listen to for the next month :) |
| 21:27:47 | BigBoss | does qtjim have a dedicated jabber server set up for it? |
| 21:27:51 | Cloudchaser | yes verx will you be around later? |
| 21:27:52 | BigBoss | or working IRC? |
| 21:28:01 | treke | dunno. never used it |
| 21:28:02 | chouimat | BigBoss: :) did you see http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 |
| 21:28:05 | VerxWork | see y'all |
| 21:28:41 | Cloudchaser | i want it chouimat! |
| 21:28:42 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 21:28:58 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: hehe :) |
| 21:29:08 | Cloudchaser | i know i know, i have to wait |
| 21:29:17 | Cloudchaser | which guy are you? |
| 21:29:25 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: the bald one |
| 21:29:26 | Cloudchaser | the redhead or the bald one? |
| 21:29:28 | Cloudchaser | ah hehe |
| 21:29:44 | nazarma | does any one where can i get diffrent skines or backrounds for my zaurus? |
| 21:29:45 | BigBoss | chouimat: looking good |
| 21:29:57 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: the redhead is my young brother |
| 21:30:05 | Cloudchaser | nazarma sharp rom? |
| 21:30:12 | chouimat | BigBoss: thanks. actually it's working |
| 21:30:15 | Cloudchaser | ah nice red color hair |
| 21:30:18 | treke | nazarma: There arent any, unless you ae using openzaurus |
| 21:30:31 | nazarma | Cloudchaser: yeh |
| 21:30:37 | treke | nazarma: and you shouldnt do that unless you know your way around Linux |
| 21:30:41 | cod | hi > BogBoss |
| 21:30:41 | Cloudchaser | what treke said |
| 21:30:42 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: don't remember which Nice& Easy :) |
| 21:30:47 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 21:30:47 | nazarma | were can i get open zaurus? |
| 21:30:59 | treke | and if you cant find it, you shouldnt be using it :) |
| 21:31:10 | chouimat | treke: :) |
| 21:31:11 | Com[Plex] | question, is the method for setting up the cross compiler for Opie the same as for embeddix? |
| 21:31:15 | BigBoss | hey cod |
| 21:31:40 | Cloudchaser | bogboss? you in the swamps bb? |
| 21:31:54 | Com[Plex] | I dont knwo fi I asked that right, but what I mean is, if I use my PC to compile for arm, even tho its useing the embedix stuff.. will it work for opie? or are there extra steps to make it better? |
| 21:32:09 | | OK, imm. |
| 21:32:09 | imm | ibot learn bla is blu |
| 21:32:16 | | imm: huh? |
| 21:32:16 | imm | ibot bla |
| 21:32:33 | | OK, imm. |
| 21:32:33 | imm | ibot learn ibot is stupid as shit |
| 21:32:43 | | ibot is, like, "the" bot around or confused |
| 21:32:43 | imm | ibot ibot |
| 21:32:45 | | ibot is, like, "the" bot around or confused |
| 21:32:45 | chouimat | ibot ibot |
| 21:32:58 | elias | is there any grps modem for the zaurus ? |
| 21:33:04 | elias | gprs sorry |
| 21:33:09 | | imm: what? |
| 21:33:09 | imm | ibot learn ibot = stupid |
| 21:33:14 | | imm: sorry... |
| 21:33:14 | imm | ibot learn ibot stupid |
| 21:33:43 | | imm: no idea |
| 21:33:43 | imm | ibot why dont you learn ? |
| 21:34:23 | | imm: what? |
| 21:34:23 | imm | ibot: no future generation |
| 21:35:06 | | chouimat is nothing but a frothy pile of hacked-up pus. |
| 21:35:06 | imm | ibot insult chouimat |
| 21:35:22 | | imm is nothing but a salty plate of beslubbering pus. |
| 21:35:22 | chouimat | ibot insult imm |
| 21:35:34 | imm | :) |
| 21:37:28 | imm | 's inbox is dry like ibots pu**y |
| 21:37:44 | chouimat | lol |
| 21:38:16 | imm | oops |
| 21:38:23 | chouimat | wb imm |
| 21:43:59 | imm | http://www.tendra.org/ <-- only arm support is missing |
| 21:44:15 | chouimat | imm: I know |
| 21:50:08 | whardier | arm has lots of arms |
| 21:50:18 | whardier | arm = shiva |
| 21:54:29 | imm | hi |
| 21:55:01 | imm | Bill__: botsnack |
| 21:55:01 | Bill__ | :) |
| 21:55:20 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi now with 'zsibot find <searchtext>' |
| 21:55:20 | imm | ibot zsi |
| 21:55:31 | cod | where can I find opie-base (1.5.0) as ipk ? |
| 21:55:33 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: |
| 21:55:41 | kergoth | cod: do *not* install that into the sharp rom. |
| 21:55:47 | cod | :( |
| 21:55:50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: new fbvncserver ipk in teh OZ feed. |
| 21:55:55 | kergoth | cod: just install OZ if you want opie. |
| 21:56:09 | cod | damn I've downlaoded opie-rotation but it said it req opie-base |
| 21:56:17 | cod | I want roation, plain and simple |
| 21:56:17 | kergoth | cod: so force it in |
| 21:56:26 | kergoth | cod: ipkg install -force-depends opie-rotation*ipk |
| 21:56:36 | kergoth | cod: simliar to rpm's --nodeps |
| 21:56:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:56:49 | kergoth | cod: course i wont guarantee itll work, but its worth a shot |
| 21:57:16 | Cloudchaser | kergoth thank you! |
| 21:57:16 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 21:57:19 | cod | hmmm, I still do not understand why qpe-rotation+qt-embeded-rotation does not work ... |
| 21:57:22 | Cloudchaser | hiya ljp! |
| 21:57:46 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: let me know how that fbvncserver package works for you when you reload OZ |
| 21:57:47 | ljp | whhhheeeww glad this is days done |
| 21:58:00 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: as I'm the only one who's tested it so far, which means it could still be broken. hehe |
| 21:58:26 | Cloudchaser | i will.. i might go for it tonight |
| 21:58:46 | Cloudchaser | all those ipkg of opie that got updated |
| 21:59:20 | Cloudchaser | i learned last night ...DO NOT INSTALL THEM ALL AT ONCE! |
| 21:59:32 | cod | kergoth, should I install qt-embeded-2.3.2-12 too ? |
| 21:59:35 | ljp | learnt that also |
| 21:59:39 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 22:00:03 | kergoth | cod: if you want to break your Z |
| 22:00:13 | kergoth | cod: dont install qt/e or opie on the sharp rom |
| 22:00:22 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i did.. |
| 22:00:25 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: upgraded them all at once |
| 22:00:34 | Cloudchaser | you did?? |
| 22:00:34 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: course it was a 5500, and i did it from the ocmmand line.. :-) |
| 22:00:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:00:38 | Cloudchaser | i havcec a 5500 |
| 22:00:39 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:00:41 | kergoth | ipkg upgrade; |
| 22:00:45 | kergoth | but |
| 22:00:57 | kergoth | you might want to exit opie and login and root and do it in console |
| 22:00:59 | kergoth | just to be safe |
| 22:01:01 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:01:02 | Cloudchaser | i should have had enough space, but apparently i didn't |
| 22:01:12 | Cloudchaser | i'll do them a few at a time |
| 22:01:21 | kergoth | space for what? |
| 22:01:29 | kergoth | it downloads the ipks to /tmp (ramdisk) |
| 22:01:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:01:40 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:01:41 | kergoth | interesting |
| 22:01:56 | Cloudchaser | i about cried |
| 22:02:06 | Cloudchaser | it was late |
| 22:02:06 | kergoth | filled up /? |
| 22:02:21 | Cloudchaser | yes i only updated things i already had so i figured it would be fine |
| 22:02:26 | Cloudchaser | put them in same place and all |
| 22:02:31 | kergoth | shoulve been.. |
| 22:02:34 | kergoth | it didnt get much bigger |
| 22:02:35 | Cloudchaser | got about 65% done |
| 22:02:37 | kergoth | if at all |
| 22:02:38 | kergoth | odd |
| 22:02:47 | kergoth | did you do it from oipkg? |
| 22:02:50 | Cloudchaser | and the error messages started rolling in |
| 22:02:51 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 22:02:55 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:02:58 | kergoth | could try console next time |
| 22:02:59 | kergoth | thats what i did |
| 22:03:01 | Cloudchaser | then wehn i restarte the z...opie didn't |
| 22:03:16 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: remember, even in console, you can use ipkg to install from the feed. |
| 22:03:16 | Cloudchaser | just do ipkg update from console? |
| 22:03:19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ipkg install blah; |
| 22:03:23 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ipkg upgrade; |
| 22:03:25 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: etc |
| 22:03:39 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: so even if opie doesnt boot, you can reinstall it if need be.. true its not fun.. but :-) |
| 22:03:45 | kergoth | okay im goin home, bbl |
| 22:03:54 | Cloudchaser | ah yes but at that point i'd have to install all by name? |
| 22:04:07 | kergoth`left | not necessarily |
| 22:04:14 | kergoth`left | you already had them installed.. you'd just have to reinstall them |
| 22:04:20 | kergoth`left | ipkg upgrade from the prompt mightve done it |
| 22:04:23 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 22:04:23 | kergoth`left | even after it died |
| 22:04:27 | kergoth`left | depends on *why* it died |
| 22:04:30 | kergoth`left | okay im out |
| 22:04:34 | Cloudchaser | ok cya later |
| 22:04:35 | Cloudchaser | thanks |
| 22:05:03 | Cloudchaser | ok i'm gonna go for it...vnc is done, i'm happy! |
| 22:05:24 | Cloudchaser | wb ljp |
| 22:05:41 | Cloudchaser | i'm going to go for it again! kergoth posted new vnc to feed |
| 22:05:46 | ljp | **($&*(*&&*($&$*(()() |
| 22:05:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe is that a good thing? |
| 22:06:02 | ljp | orders a stiff rum and coke |
| 22:06:04 | Cloudchaser | or a disease? |
| 22:06:16 | ljp | dis ease |
| 22:06:24 | Cloudchaser | sugar make ljp a rum and coke |
| 22:06:26 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of rum coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands ljp. |
| 22:06:40 | ljp | thank you |
| 22:06:47 | ljp | this year really sux |
| 22:06:49 | cod | got2go, seeya ... |
| 22:06:51 | BigBoss | sugar make BigBoss a godfather |
| 22:06:51 | Sugar | pours over ice in an old-fashioned glass and serves it to BigBoss. |
| 22:06:58 | BigBoss | yuck |
| 22:07:00 | Cloudchaser | s'matter ljp? |
| 22:07:02 | BigBoss | where is the Scotch? |
| 22:07:09 | BigBoss | where is the Amaretto? |
| 22:07:19 | ljp | thats a scotch-less old fashioned |
| 22:07:27 | Cloudchaser | hahaha |
| 22:07:43 | Cloudchaser | hey how do you teach sugar how to make a drink? |
| 22:08:01 | treke | I think you have to email NeoTron |
| 22:08:07 | ljp | lets just say.. this year will be forgotten by me the second it is over |
| 22:08:25 | Cloudchaser | there's 4 months of it left! |
| 22:08:36 | ljp | akk! I know |
| 22:08:59 | ljp | _my_ year starts in November, tho :) |
| 22:09:03 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 22:09:46 | ljp | I guess I did get a new car for me this year |
| 22:10:32 | whardier | woot! |
| 22:10:35 | ljp | I'm going to join that buddist monastary in New Mexico that has net access |
| 22:10:43 | whardier | ljp: don't hot chicks eveer drop into your shop? |
| 22:10:46 | Cloudchaser | aww |
| 22:10:52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:11:08 | ljp | ya.. hot chicks... chicks that were hot.... in 1920! |
| 22:11:16 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 22:11:20 | Cloudchaser | pats ljp |
| 22:11:52 | Cloudchaser | hey ljp did you see what verx said about how he does a backup? |
| 22:11:53 | ljp | that shipping shop's about to start selling computer repairs and upgrades |
| 22:11:59 | ljp | no |
| 22:12:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, is the default root pass on the 2.38 sharp rom not blank? |
| 22:12:16 | whardier | http://www.circuitcity.com/frame1.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1761808171.1030402786@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdfadcgdgjddgkcfngcfkmdffhdffl.0&upper=head.jsp&lower=frame2.jsp&left=leftchildcat.jsp&right=productsearch.jsp&department=Cameras+%26+Imaging&category=Digital+Cameras |
| 22:12:16 | Cloudchaser | he told me how but i didn't understand it |
| 22:12:18 | whardier | I would not mind that |
| 22:12:40 | Cloudchaser | i'll ask him when he comes back but that could solve my last major issue with oz |
| 22:12:56 | Cloudchaser | then i have only 1 minor one :) wow want an improvement |
| 22:12:58 | tux_mike | whar: all crap :) |
| 22:13:25 | ljp | what issue is that? |
| 22:13:31 | Cloudchaser | zic |
| 22:13:42 | ljp | cloud: you know there is now #openzaurus ? |
| 22:13:52 | Cloudchaser | nope didn't know |
| 22:13:56 | Cloudchaser | must have missed that |
| 22:14:04 | Cloudchaser | i'll go join there too |
| 22:14:48 | ljp | needs another life |
| 22:14:53 | Cloudchaser | is glad its not all full of strangers |
| 22:19:03 | Onyx4 | anyone tried the new vnc package? |
| 22:19:08 | VerxHome | hello everyone |
| 22:19:10 | VerxHome | man |
| 22:19:15 | VerxHome | I need another Z cradle |
| 22:19:18 | VerxHome | and pretty badly |
| 22:19:18 | VerxHome | :( |
| 22:19:23 | ljp | why? |
| 22:19:31 | VerxHome | I keep forgetting it |
| 22:19:33 | VerxHome | either at home |
| 22:19:35 | VerxHome | or at work |
| 22:19:36 | VerxHome | :((( |
| 22:19:43 | ljp | ahh.. I keep one at home and one at the shop |
| 22:19:44 | VerxHome | is there an inexpensive way around this? |
| 22:19:52 | Cloudchaser | Onyx4 no i'm about to reflash oz then i'll try it after i get all my stuff reininstalled |
| 22:20:00 | VerxHome | ljp: But you have two Z's |
| 22:20:04 | VerxHome | so you got two cradles with them |
| 22:20:05 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 22:20:09 | ljp | leave your Z hooked up to the internet.. and use vnc |
| 22:20:11 | VerxHome | I only have the one Z and hence one cradle |
| 22:20:16 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 22:20:26 | VerxHome | I don't have any CF mechanism for networking yet |
| 22:20:29 | VerxHome | I have to buy something |
| 22:21:40 | ljp | hmmm |
| 22:28:26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:28:36 | ljp | hmmm hmmm |
| 22:28:52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm hmmmm hm hmm hmmmm |
| 22:30:57 | chouimat | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 22:31:07 | ljp | hmmm ^15 |
| 22:31:15 | TheMasterMind1 | the sharp rom is pissing me off :\ |
| 22:31:21 | ljp | kick it |
| 22:31:38 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone use the shutdown -> reboot thing in the setting tab? |
| 22:31:52 | TheMasterMind1 | it makes the screen go funky and crashes the Z half the time |
| 22:32:10 | TheMasterMind1 | another couple of days and i'll get my cf cards |
| 22:32:19 | TheMasterMind1 | then i can work on the new kernel for the Z |
| 22:32:24 | endr | haven't had that problem yet |
| 22:32:26 | TheMasterMind1 | and put oz on it |
| 22:32:33 | TheMasterMind1 | and actually have fun with it |
| 22:32:34 | Onyx4 | yeah reboot hangs maybe 1 times out of 10 for me |
| 22:32:37 | Onyx4 | I have to full reset |
| 22:32:42 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: on sharp or oz? |
| 22:32:47 | Onyx4 | both actually |
| 22:32:50 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:32:59 | TheMasterMind1 | any reboot or the one from that shutdown app |
| 22:33:03 | Onyx4 | that's why I got an SD card and dont use the ram for storage anymore |
| 22:33:14 | Onyx4 | I always did shutdown fromt he qpe tab |
| 22:33:22 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:33:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going to avoid that now |
| 22:33:35 | TheMasterMind1 | commandline ++ |
| 22:33:56 | Onyx4 | all the gui does it calls the reboot cmdline program |
| 22:33:56 | TheMasterMind1 | shutting down erases ram right? |
| 22:34:10 | Onyx4 | shutdown from cmdline? |
| 22:34:18 | TheMasterMind1 | yea or opie |
| 22:34:30 | Onyx4 | opie doest do shutdown, only does reset |
| 22:34:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i notice opie has a shutdown button while sharp's rom doesn't |
| 22:34:31 | Onyx4 | reset=reboot |
| 22:35:05 | TheMasterMind1 | http://131.152.105.154/~opie/screenies/port.14739.png |
| 22:35:33 | whardier | wow thats old |
| 22:35:38 | Onyx4 | they both to a reboot only |
| 22:35:38 | Onyx4 | I don't know if there is a halt or shutdown command line |
| 22:35:45 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 22:35:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:35:58 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 22:36:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess i won't reboot then |
| 22:36:06 | Onyx4 | oh I dont have that button on my OZ |
| 22:36:15 | Onyx4 | it's grayed out I think |
| 22:36:20 | TheMasterMind1 | i just wanna put oz on here and customize it like i want |
| 22:37:15 | Onyx4 | yep, no shutdown button here on my oz |
| 22:38:49 | TheMasterMind1 | oz's initrd is what contains all the base apps? |
| 22:39:11 | Onyx4 | a very minimal set of apps yes |
| 22:39:15 | Onyx4 | less than sharp rom comes with |
| 22:39:23 | Onyx4 | you then add more stuff from the feed |
| 22:39:30 | Onyx4 | you can remove the apps you dont like from the rom too |
| 22:39:39 | Onyx4 | many people don't want games at all for example |
| 22:39:52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:39:58 | TheMasterMind1 | so i could basically create my own initrd backup |
| 22:40:03 | TheMasterMind1 | customized to how i like it |
| 22:40:17 | TheMasterMind1 | so if i it crashes, i just load the initrd back up |
| 22:40:20 | Onyx4 | dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/some_image_name.jffs2 |
| 22:40:22 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 22:40:33 | Onyx4 | someone was mentionning that today that he's doing that |
| 22:40:46 | TheMasterMind1 | doing what? |
| 22:40:57 | Onyx4 | the dd command I posted above to backup an initrd |
| 22:41:00 | Onyx4 | and then reflash with it |
| 22:41:06 | Onyx4 | and you're back to what you had |
| 22:41:09 | VerxHome | that someone was me |
| 22:41:11 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:41:15 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 22:41:42 | TheMasterMind1 | yea that makes sense |
| 22:41:48 | TheMasterMind1 | just take a dump of the ramdisk image |
| 22:41:49 | VerxHome | so there you go |
| 22:41:55 | VerxHome | you just need a unix system to sync with |
| 22:42:02 | TheMasterMind1 | what exactly is jffs2? |
| 22:42:08 | | rumour has it jffs2 is at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ |
| 22:42:08 | Onyx4 | ibot: jffs2 |
| 22:42:25 | VerxHome | ahh |
| 22:42:39 | VerxHome | well |
| 22:42:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 22:42:41 | ljp | it's alien technology |
| 22:43:00 | ljp | from that ufo crash in New Mexico in the 40's |
| 22:43:49 | | okay, ljp. |
| 22:43:50 | ljp | ibot: jffs2 is also alien technology from that ufo crash in New Mexico in the 1940's |
| 22:44:31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:44:57 | Onyx4 | how do you get that "aqua" look on the OZ? |
| 22:44:59 | TheMasterMind1 | so the kernel image i choose defines how much space ram space i will have available |
| 22:45:00 | TheMasterMind1 | right? |
| 22:45:07 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 22:45:11 | Onyx4 | 40-24 is recommended |
| 22:45:14 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:45:24 | TheMasterMind1 | so zImage-64 will use up all my ram |
| 22:45:25 | Onyx4 | or full 64 if you dont want any |
| 22:45:31 | Onyx4 | and you have an SD card |
| 22:45:36 | Onyx4 | to put apps on it for example |
| 22:45:37 | TheMasterMind1 | does it actually fill it up or what? |
| 22:45:47 | Onyx4 | it'll have 2 mb left after initial initrd |
| 22:45:55 | VerxHome | anyone here have a 5000d and is using the zImage-32 ? |
| 22:46:03 | Onyx4 | zimage-32 has problems i heard |
| 22:46:07 | Onyx4 | but not the 64 version |
| 22:46:13 | chouimat | imm ping |
| 22:46:21 | TheMasterMind1 | what exactly is all the ram used for in zImage-64 |
| 22:46:24 | imm | chouimat: chrZZZ |
| 22:46:27 | VerxHome | Onyx4: Odd |
| 22:46:29 | roge99_laptop | VerxHome: i had issues whith that one |
| 22:46:33 | VerxHome | wonder why the 64 wouldn't work |
| 22:46:39 | VerxHome | roge99_laptop: What kinds of problems |
| 22:46:45 | roge99_laptop | the 26/6 has been much more stable |
| 22:46:46 | imm | chouimat: wazz up ? |
| 22:46:47 | VerxHome | er, why the 32 wouldn't work if the 64 is fine |
| 22:47:01 | roge99_laptop | opie would lockup all the time |
| 22:47:01 | VerxHome | roge99, what kinds of problems did you have? |
| 22:47:10 | roge99_laptop | it wouldnt suspend half the time |
| 22:47:15 | Onyx4 | Mastermind: how do you get that look&feel on your screenshots? |
| 22:47:23 | Onyx4 | is it a theme ? |
| 22:47:31 | roge99_laptop | just weird shit |
| 22:47:47 | roge99_laptop | maybe it was me |
| 22:48:01 | chouimat | imm: nothing beside I'm waiting |
| 22:48:01 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: i have no idea. i just found em on the net |
| 22:48:07 | roge99_laptop | idunno .. give it a whack and let me know how it rins |
| 22:48:09 | Onyx4 | oh !! |
| 22:48:12 | roge99_laptop | hey tux |
| 22:48:14 | Onyx4 | it looks cool |
| 22:48:28 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 22:48:34 | roge99_laptop | ugh ? |
| 22:49:02 | imm | can someone explain me the idle time in /whois ? |
| 22:49:42 | fusion94 | thats basically how long its been since that individual had typed anything into irc window |
| 22:49:42 | roge99_laptop | uhhh idle time |
| 22:49:53 | TheMasterMind1 | where does all the ram go when i use zImage-64? |
| 22:50:00 | roge99_laptop | its all ram |
| 22:50:06 | imm | thanks |
| 22:50:07 | roge99_laptop | usable by programs |
| 22:50:08 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 22:50:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 22:50:12 | roge99_laptop | hey tux |
| 22:50:13 | TheMasterMind1 | its used as ram ram |
| 22:50:15 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 22:50:15 | tux_mike | i hate gnome |
| 22:50:21 | roge99_laptop | right |
| 22:50:22 | Cloudchaser | i swear i don't know how men reflash! |
| 22:50:25 | TheMasterMind1 | as opposed to storage ram |
| 22:50:28 | TheMasterMind1 | makes sense |
| 22:50:32 | Cloudchaser | i have small fingers and its hard for me! |
| 22:50:37 | tux_mike | i can't even use it for the short period of time i need to update kde :) |
| 22:50:52 | VerxHome | sorry about that everyone |
| 22:50:56 | VerxHome | I rebooted the wrong computer! |
| 22:50:59 | roge99_laptop | I always hit the x and the f as well |
| 22:51:00 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:51:03 | TheMasterMind1 | don't you hate that? |
| 22:51:07 | VerxHome | roge99_laptop: Ok, sorry to ask again |
| 22:51:08 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 22:51:11 | TheMasterMind1 | i rebooted my server after 40 days of uptime once |
| 22:51:11 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 22:51:16 | VerxHome | what happened with the 32MB zImage? |
| 22:51:29 | roge99_laptop | 40 days .... thats it? |
| 22:51:39 | roge99_laptop | opie would lockup all the time |
| 22:51:44 | TheMasterMind1 | roge99_laptop: yea, well, it was 0 afterwards |
| 22:51:44 | roge99_laptop | it wouldnt suspend half the time |
| 22:51:45 | VerxHome | just for no reason? |
| 22:51:58 | roge99_laptop | just weird shit |
| 22:52:11 | VerxHome | and you haven't had any of that on the 26-6 version? |
| 22:52:15 | roge99_laptop | no i would launch somthing and poof ... locked up |
| 22:52:18 | Onyx4 | mastermind: I think it's called "liquid" I think I recall seeing this in the feed |
| 22:52:23 | roge99_laptop | i could ssh in |
| 22:52:24 | erikd | you know... i wonder if the Z would make a nice small business server if you put a 512MB CF card in and left it in the cradle |
| 22:52:30 | tux_mike | roge99_laptop: i can't seem to break a month |
| 22:52:31 | erikd | :) |
| 22:52:37 | roge99_laptop | really |
| 22:52:40 | TheMasterMind1 | erikd: why the cradle? wireless++ |
| 22:52:47 | Cloudchaser | heck i had to reboot almmost daily with oz! |
| 22:52:51 | imm | what about a 28-2 version ? |
| 22:52:57 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: how come? |
| 22:52:59 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 23:30:16 | TheMasterMind1 | probably some iptables/chains thing |
| 23:30:21 | | QPose 3.5-0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=122 |
| 23:30:21 | darienm | ibot search zsi for qpose |
| 23:30:24 | darienm | yay !!!!! |
| 23:30:27 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 23:30:30 | VerxHome | if you are around |
| 23:30:31 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:30:36 | Wembly | darienm: i dont think anyone is saying otherwise :) |
| 23:30:38 | VerxHome | uninstalling cardmon had no effect |
| 23:30:42 | Onyx4 | is opie-netsystemtime an ntp client config? |
| 23:30:48 | darienm | saying? what? |
| 23:31:01 | Wembly | onyx4: no clue but last i tried to install it it said it couldnt. |
| 23:31:12 | | zbattleship 0.2.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=414 |
| 23:31:13 | | cyrillic_input_and_fonts 1.01 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=406 |
| 23:31:14 | | Quake (usable, but slooooow) >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=78 |
| 23:31:14 | darienm | ibot show recent zsi |
| 23:31:22 | | i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi now with 'zsibot find <searchtext>' |
| 23:31:22 | darienm | ibot zsi |
| 23:31:28 | | darienm: I forgot zsi |
| 23:31:28 | darienm | ibot forget zsi |
| 23:31:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ran away |
| 23:32:03 | | OK, darienm. |
| 23:32:03 | darienm | ibot zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 23:32:06 | VerxHome | can you blame the guy? |
| 23:32:12 | Cloudchaser | nope not at all |
| 23:32:12 | VerxHome | I mean kergoth does so frigging much |
| 23:32:15 | VerxHome | and there is only one of him |
| 23:32:16 | VerxHome | :( |
| 23:32:22 | Cloudchaser | lets clone him! |
| 23:32:25 | VerxHome | heh |
| 23:32:29 | VerxHome | I was talking about that earlier |
| 23:32:34 | Cloudchaser | i'd buy a krgoth clone! |
| 23:32:34 | VerxHome | I said I wanted 10 kergoths |
| 23:32:35 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:32:40 | VerxHome | rofl cloudchaser |
| 23:32:44 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:32:55 | Wembly | herm. |
| 23:32:55 | Wembly | damn |
| 23:32:55 | Cloudchaser | ok i had to reboot to get sysinfo working again |
| 23:32:58 | Cloudchaser | now i try suspend again |
| 23:33:06 | Wembly | i could make a fortune if i could ebay kergoth |
| 23:34:10 | Cloudchaser | ok after that suspend app cpu is up to about 75% |
| 23:34:24 | Cloudchaser | 75 to 80 |
| 23:34:46 | | zbattleship 0.2.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=414 |
| 23:34:47 | | cyrillic_input_and_fonts 1.01 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=406 |
| 23:34:48 | | Quake (usable, but slooooow) >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=78 |
| 23:34:49 | | GameBoyZ 0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=411 |
| 23:34:50 | | Startup_Screen_Replacements 1.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=325 |
| 23:34:50 | darienm | ibot search zsi for pdf |
| 23:34:55 | VerxHome | well |
| 23:35:02 | Cloudchaser | cept the card doesn't show in eject |
| 23:35:06 | Cloudchaser | now its gone back down |
| 23:35:07 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm: oops |
| 23:35:09 | VerxHome | time to cram everything onto a 128MB card |
| 23:35:11 | Cloudchaser | berry wierd |
| 23:35:12 | VerxHome | so I don't have this suspend issue |
| 23:35:19 | darienm | Yah - something's broke |
| 23:35:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm betting its a kernel issue |
| 23:35:41 | TheMasterMind1 | that kernel is so damn old |
| 23:35:44 | Cloudchaser | verx i took out my card |
| 23:35:54 | Cloudchaser | and its still high |
| 23:35:54 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 23:35:57 | VerxHome | that is what happens |
| 23:35:59 | VerxHome | once it goes high |
| 23:36:04 | VerxHome | you have to either reboot |
| 23:36:07 | VerxHome | or restart opie |
| 23:36:08 | VerxHome | to fix it |
| 23:36:20 | Onyx4 | verx, sorry I was away, any more clues on the CF load problem? |
| 23:36:21 | TheMasterMind1 | once you pop the fun don't stop |
| 23:36:43 | VerxHome | Onyx4: I have not found anyone with the problem that doesn't have a 256MB card |
| 23:36:52 | VerxHome | and I haven't found anyone with a smaller card that has the problem |
| 23:36:59 | VerxHome | doesn't mean anything for certain |
| 23:37:03 | VerxHome | but it might be the issue |
| 23:37:15 | Onyx4 | yes interesting |
| 23:37:21 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: how about a higher card? |
| 23:37:25 | TheMasterMind1 | err, bigger card |
| 23:37:32 | Onyx4 | I get the problem even when I insert my 256mb card and try to use it I think |
| 23:37:35 | roge99_laptop | VerxHome: i have the prob w/ 128's |
| 23:37:40 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: Buy me one and I will try it |
| 23:37:43 | VerxHome | roge99_laptop: Oh, ok |
| 23:37:50 | VerxHome | then that leads me to believe it is brand related |
| 23:37:56 | roge99_laptop | is back (gone 00:22:43) |
| 23:37:56 | VerxHome | perhaps some cards don't suspend properly |
| 23:37:58 | VerxHome | and others do |
| 23:37:59 | VerxHome | ? |
| 23:38:09 | Cloudchaser | i have a wierd card promedia |
| 23:38:23 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't someone say it works if you umount before suspend? |
| 23:38:29 | VerxHome | my -*DIRT DIRT*- cheap "Mr. Flash" (never heard of them) cards seem to work fine |
| 23:38:45 | Cloudchaser | i've heard of them |
| 23:38:48 | roge99_laptop | yea .. if you unmount the fs before the suspend it dosent happen |
| 23:38:57 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: can you confirm that? |
| 23:38:58 | Cloudchaser | couldnt' find one when i was looking to buy though |
| 23:39:26 | Cloudchaser | ok one more test with 16mb card then i have to get installing |
| 23:39:39 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: try umounting before suspend |
| 23:41:26 | ljp | doesnt matter if umount first here |
| 23:41:27 | TheMasterMind1 | F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm! |
| 23:42:06 | codemnky | hello |
| 23:42:28 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 23:42:29 | VerxHome | reads back |
| 23:42:55 | codemnky | is there an easy way in unix/perl to say $date_time = function(local time, time zone); |
| 23:43:04 | VerxHome | ok, I will try that themastermind1 |
| 23:43:05 | VerxHome | one sec |
| 23:43:16 | ljp | same thing here |
| 23:43:46 | TheMasterMind1 | codemnky: you can just do time() - timezoneoffset |
| 23:43:48 | TheMasterMind1 | or + |
| 23:44:08 | VerxHome | ljp: So if you umount before a suspend it works for you? |
| 23:44:14 | ljp | nope |
| 23:45:21 | VerxHome | but at this point I have tried everything I can think of |
| 23:45:22 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: did you try umount ? |
| 23:45:22 | VerxHome | :( |
| 23:45:23 | codemnky | ok |
| 23:45:27 | codemnky | i get it |
| 23:45:32 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: ljp tried it |
| 23:45:35 | VerxHome | it didn't work for him |
| 23:45:36 | codemnky | thx |
| 23:45:40 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome: so? you try it |
| 23:45:47 | TheMasterMind1 | more data = better |
| 23:45:48 | Bender | did anyone get the remote to work? |
| 23:45:53 | VerxHome | ok |
| 23:45:54 | VerxHome | well |
| 23:46:00 | VerxHome | for some reason, my Z didn't boot just now |
| 23:46:06 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 23:46:08 | VerxHome | I am trying to figure out if the flash munged something. . . |
| 23:46:14 | TheMasterMind1 | blames it all on the kernel |
| 23:49:13 | Cloudchaser | hey if i'm updating atd..i need to stop the daemon first? |
| 23:51:18 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: shouldnt have to, no |
| 23:51:24 | tweek | has anyone succesfully gotten usbnet to work with the Z in linux, and if so, could PLEASE tell me how? |
| 23:51:29 | Com[Plex] | verx, sometimes my z wont reboot after a flash unless i hit the hard reset button for a qhole second before replaceing the battery cover |
| 23:51:30 | Cloudchaser | ok well it failed |
| 23:51:32 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: but after installing it you may want to stop and restart it |
| 23:51:43 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: if the postinst fails that doesnt meant he install fails. |
| 23:51:49 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 23:51:50 | kergoth | s/meant he/mean the/ |
| 23:52:06 | TheMasterMind1 | tweek: yes, what's not working for you? |
| 23:52:07 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: I would recommend either manually stopping and restarting atd or rebooting |
| 23:52:09 | Cloudchaser | well it doesn't show as installed anyway still on the list |
| 23:52:18 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll do that |
| 23:52:19 | raster | gooooooood moonin! |
| 23:52:22 | raster | :) |
| 23:52:23 | tweek | TheMasterMind1: well, i get a message in dmesg that says... |
| 23:52:38 | tweek | TheMasterMind1: USB device not accepting new address (error=-110) |
| 23:52:48 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: if it doesnt show as installed after rebooting, then try reinstalling |
| 23:52:54 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 23:53:05 | kergoth | tweek: you have to use usbdnet, not usbnet, first of all |
| 23:53:13 | Cloudchaser | here's a dopey question.. i had some stuff installed onto sd card, and they show as installed on the feed list |
| 23:53:21 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: of course they do |
| 23:53:24 | Cloudchaser | do i need to reinstall them? |
| 23:53:29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: "feed" shows *every* installed package |
| 23:53:30 | tweek | kergoth: ouch, that might be it :) |
| 23:53:36 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: regardless of where they are installed to or where they came from |
| 23:53:42 | Cloudchaser | well what i mean is |
| 23:53:45 | VerxHome | kergoth: I think her point is |
| 23:53:47 | Cloudchaser | since i reflashed, |
| 23:53:48 | extremis | kergoth: fakeap? |
| 23:53:52 | VerxHome | she had them installed on sharp rom |
| 23:53:53 | kergoth | extremis: nope |
| 23:53:56 | kergoth | tweek: indeed |
| 23:53:57 | VerxHome | and has reflashed with OZ |
| 23:54:01 | VerxHome | and they show up on the feed list |
| 23:54:06 | Cloudchaser | well no i had them installed on oz |
| 23:54:08 | Cloudchaser | but |
| 23:54:10 | VerxHome | she can't run them without redoing all the symlinks right? |
| 23:54:15 | tweek | kergoth: ok, thank you - i'll get back to you to let you know if it works (you too TheMasterMind1 :) |
| 23:54:16 | Cloudchaser | right that |
| 23:54:42 | kergoth | yes, packages previously installed to sd/cf neee dto be reinstalled af ter a reflash |
| 23:54:42 | kergoth | or at lea st resymlinked |
| 23:54:45 | Cloudchaser | hehe i can't cope with that |
| 23:54:46 | kergoth | tweek: np. read the ethernet over usb howto on zauruszone.com. |
| 23:54:57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: well, i've been complaining ot get it fixed for a while now |
| 23:54:57 | Cloudchaser | i'm going to empty my sd card and reformat it i think, |
| 23:55:05 | tweek | kergoth: awesome, thanks mucho |
| 23:55:08 | kergoth | tweek: np |
| 23:55:14 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: its just i dont have the time to fix it myself |
| 23:55:15 | Cloudchaser | its size is reported wrong on both sharp rom and oz |
| 23:55:20 | TheMasterMind1 | does anyone use the sharp developer2developer bbs? |
| 23:55:20 | Cloudchaser | s'ok kergoth |
| 23:55:22 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yeah you told me about that |
| 23:55:27 | Cloudchaser | i need to reformat it anyway |
| 23:55:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: used to, in like october of last year.. |
| 23:55:31 | Cloudchaser | to see if it makes a diff |
| 23:55:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:55:37 | kergoth | k |
| 23:55:46 | kergoth | tonight i'm going to eat, work out, read, and sleep |
| 23:55:51 | kergoth | not gonna get much coding or anything done |
| 23:55:53 | kergoth | need to relax |
| 23:55:56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:56:03 | VerxHome | kergoth: Good for you man |
| 23:56:04 | VerxHome | :)))) |
| 23:56:09 | VerxHome | buys kergoth a beer |
| 23:56:19 | tweek | kergoth: for some reason, i stil get that error :( any ideas |
| 23:56:19 | Cloudchaser | sugar make kergoth a long island iced tea |
| 23:56:19 | tweek | ? |
| 23:56:28 | Cloudchaser | sugar make kergoth a long island ice tea |
| 23:56:28 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 23:56:38 | raster | grrrr |
| 23:56:41 | raster | bloody power supply |
| 23:56:41 | kergoth | tweek: the modules arent loaded in the Z, or yuo have general usb problems, do you have any other usb devices? |
| 23:56:55 | kergoth | tweek: make sure usbdmonitor, usbcore, net_fd, and sa1100_bi are loaded o n the zaurus |
| 23:56:59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thanks |
| 23:57:12 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: you try fbvncserver yet? |
| 23:57:16 | tweek | kergoth: i have other usb devices that seem to work fine |
| 23:57:22 | Cloudchaser | not yet but very soon, |
| 23:57:25 | kergoth | k |
| 23:57:27 | Cloudchaser | updating existing ipkg first |
| 23:57:35 | kergoth | tweek: then the Z doesnt have the necessary modules loaded |
| 23:57:40 | Cloudchaser | then make my first backup verx style |
| 23:57:40 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: good |
| 23:57:56 | tweek | kergoth: it has all hose you listed :( |
| 23:58:02 | kergoth | creating rom images cloud? |
| 23:58:06 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 23:58:13 | kergoth | tweek: well, if the Z isnt accepting a usb address its in bad shape |
| 23:58:16 | kergoth | tweek: try rebooting it |
| 23:58:19 | Cloudchaser | get it just the way i want it |
| 23:58:31 | tweek | kergoth: how do i reboot it? |
| 23:58:34 | TheMasterMind1 | blames it all on the kernel yet again |
| 23:58:51 | kergoth | Cloudchaser, VerxHome: creating yourself a backup initrd.bin should probabbly get documented as a possible backup method in the OZ FAQ, eh? |
| 23:59:01 | kergoth | tweek: Settings->Shutdown->reboot |
| 23:59:02 | VerxHome | kergoth: Well |
| 23:59:03 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 23:59:09 | VerxHome | it is pretty obvious actually |
| 23:59:09 | kergoth | tweek: or Embeddedkonsole, type reboot at the prompt |
| 23:59:13 | Cloudchaser | i'll add it in and since vnc is now working i'll do some docs with screenies even |
| 23:59:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: obvious after the fact, yes |
| 23:59:21 | VerxHome | but yeah, there may be people not familiar with dd |
| 23:59:27 | kergoth | VerxHome: most people wont think of it |
| 23:59:28 | VerxHome | kergoth: Well, I knew I could make that backup |
| 23:59:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: even if they know dd |
| 23:59:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:59:32 | VerxHome | I used that on my ipaq |
| 23:59:36 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought of it :0D |
| 23:59:36 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:59:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:59:41 | kergoth | me too |
| 23:59:45 | kergoth | makes sense if you understand how things work |
| 23:59:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ay |
| 23:59:55 | Cloudchaser | kergoth did you add the stuff i sent you into your faq and install.txt? |
| 23:59:58 | TheMasterMind1 | especially when you spend 8 hours making kernel and initrd floppies |
