| 00:00:10 | EditorGarfield | or not...... |
| 00:05:05 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:05:06 | jbardin | anyone kniw why i would be getting this... field `db' has incomplete type |
| 00:05:10 | whardier | my memory smacks of shortage |
| 00:05:10 | jbardin | ? |
| 00:05:33 | whardier | I guess I need to try to implement a file playback layer for readers |
| 00:05:41 | whardier | so that they cache as you read a long and search |
| 00:05:46 | whardier | set markers |
| 00:06:01 | whardier | much smaller then the file size |
| 00:06:13 | whardier | then can playback - and + so many lines from a specific point |
| 00:06:19 | BoubaKun | anyone could setup an icon for a custom shell script? EmbeddedKonsole doesn't seem to work even thogh it should..? |
| 00:09:49 | Com[Plex] | question. Im doing the OZ ipkg install from the feed, trying to do updates through my nic, and is jsut kidna sitting there.. should I have a progress indicator next to "downloading" or at the top./ |
| 00:10:00 | whardier | I just got the weirdest error |
| 00:10:06 | whardier | "There is enouggh memory again" |
| 00:11:22 | moot | jonny |
| 00:11:26 | moot | <<<< |
| 00:11:53 | ljp | whardier: ahh you like that error, eh? |
| 00:12:12 | Junxster | what's the best way to learn to start developing apps for the z? |
| 00:12:36 | ljp | follow the qt tutorials, and then look at the examples |
| 00:12:54 | Junxster | thanx |
| 00:13:41 | Junxster | @ kdevelop.org? |
| 00:15:06 | ljp | examples in the qt embedded |
| 00:15:21 | whardier | ljp: gutenbrowser so does not like a 1.5 meg text file |
| 00:15:37 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 00:15:38 | whardier | what if I make it a gutenbrowseresque file? |
| 00:15:44 | Com[Plex] | I dont understand how to make this ipkg thing run |
| 00:15:46 | whardier | same format as the guten texts? |
| 00:15:58 | ljp | yayaya.. just keep bugging me, and I just may fix that |
| 00:16:53 | ljp | do you have the cvs version? |
| 00:17:24 | whardier | I downloaded it from sf |
| 00:17:41 | ljp | cvs? |
| 00:17:41 | whardier | do you have a cvs ipk cause I cannot xcompile ATM |
| 00:17:47 | whardier | no the ipk |
| 00:17:50 | ljp | oh |
| 00:18:38 | ljp | well, if you dont mind not being able to back up so well |
| 00:18:49 | ljp | and a few things not hooked up |
| 00:18:56 | jbardin | arg.. why would i be getting redefiniton errors if in the file that i define the variable i hae the ole |
| 00:19:04 | jbardin | #ifndef FILE |
| 00:19:06 | jbardin | stuff |
| 00:19:35 | whardier | is tempted to just use w3m |
| 00:19:36 | whardier | and kill opie |
| 00:19:37 | whardier | heh |
| 00:19:45 | whardier | whenever I need to read something this big |
| 00:19:54 | ljp | hang on.. |
| 00:20:00 | ljp | grumbles |
| 00:20:07 | whardier | I got all night :) |
| 00:21:14 | DrBoB | comfrey: the "install from networks" thingie is slow.... and it doesn't exit gracefully..once you start it, it runs till it's finished. |
| 00:21:15 | whardier | Wow |
| 00:21:20 | whardier | Konq grokked it! |
| 00:21:29 | Com[Plex] | error while isntalling busybox.. |
| 00:21:30 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
| 00:22:13 | whardier | I just can't bookmark |
| 00:22:14 | whardier | heh |
| 00:22:20 | whardier | and it groks the tabs and so forth |
| 00:22:20 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:22:21 | whardier | HMM |
| 00:22:22 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:22:28 | Com[Plex] | anyone know the secret to installing busybox? |
| 00:22:33 | Com[Plex] | through OZ ipkg manager |
| 00:22:44 | whardier | Com[Plex]: under what religion? |
| 00:22:58 | Com[Plex] | I dont have any idea whardier |
| 00:23:38 | whardier | bot |
| 00:23:53 | DrBoB | I remeber seeing someinstructions over at the zauruszone forums about busybox |
| 00:24:20 | Com[Plex] | this is OZ im tlaking about |
| 00:24:26 | whardier | smacks a kitty |
| 00:25:13 | ljp | flashes a new oz |
| 00:25:50 | BoubaKun | anyone uses konsole and scripts as argument? |
| 00:27:35 | ljp | whardier : email addy? |
| 00:27:43 | whardier | shane@bogomip.com |
| 00:27:55 | DrBoB | I think there are some system variables and stuff you have to hand-configure before it all will work with a non-ROM Busybox |
| 00:29:40 | Com[Plex] | hehe, the old one coms out jsut fine |
| 00:29:50 | Com[Plex] | anyway to get the old one back in? short of a reflash? |
| 00:30:36 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 00:30:48 | Com[Plex] | I cant open the terminal now. because I nuked the old busybox. |
| 00:30:54 | Com[Plex] | wow. this bites |
| 00:31:13 | DrBoB | whoah...dude.... |
| 00:31:50 | DrBoB | prepare to reflash |
| 00:32:05 | ljp | hehe |
| 00:32:18 | ljp | I just reflashes oz too |
| 00:32:34 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:32:42 | whardier | does the gutenberg thing |
| 00:32:51 | DrBoB | it seems a popular activity around this place :-) |
| 00:33:20 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 00:33:25 | Com[Plex] | reflashing now |
| 00:33:35 | DrBoB | zsibot find busybox |
| 00:33:36 | zsibot | DrBoB: excuse me? |
| 00:33:51 | DrBoB | uhhh |
| 00:34:04 | DrBoB | zsibot locate busybox |
| 00:34:04 | zsibot | DrBoB: sorry... |
| 00:34:29 | DrBoB | LOL |
| 00:35:07 | moot | jonnay |
| 00:35:57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: what the hell are you doing man? OZ includes busybox out of hte box. do *not* uninstall busybox unless you want a useless Z. To upgrade to a newer version you tap on it in oipkg the same way you install anything else. |
| 00:35:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:36:07 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:36:18 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, there was two busbxes listen in the feed list there |
| 00:36:24 | EditorGarfield | What exactly is busybox? |
| 00:36:31 | Com[Plex] | - in the ipkg installer. one was installed the other was newer and not installed |
| 00:37:01 | Com[Plex] | busybox is just a lame name given to one application that bundles up all the typical commands run under linux |
| 00:37:14 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:37:25 | Com[Plex] | everythign from ls to cp mv blah blah blah. all bundled into one binary. |
| 00:37:29 | kergoth | yes, *your* package list shows two of them |
| 00:37:33 | kergoth | one is the newer one int he feed |
| 00:37:37 | kergoth | the other is the old existing one |
| 00:37:42 | kergoth | you tap on the icon of the newer one |
| 00:37:45 | kergoth | and hit OK |
| 00:37:47 | kergoth | boom |
| 00:37:49 | kergoth | done |
| 00:37:49 | DrBoB | all the usualcommands in linux are just symbolic links to busybox |
| 00:37:59 | jbardin | would there be a reason the preproccers is not workinhg.. |
| 00:37:59 | EditorGarfield | oic |
| 00:38:05 | jbardin | for some reason i am, getting multiple definiton erros |
| 00:38:20 | kergoth | jbardin: then you defined something twice. or didnt protect against multiple inclusion |
| 00:38:22 | jbardin | even thouigh i have the #ifndef statment around the code that declares the variuable |
| 00:38:26 | Com[Plex] | okay jkergoth. I assumed the old one had to be removed first. since it doesnt say anywhere not to take out the old one first |
| 00:38:27 | jbardin | but i did |
| 00:38:34 | kergoth | UGH |
| 00:38:39 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ipkg can handle *upgrades* |
| 00:38:40 | Com[Plex] | I was trying to be "Thorough", not "stupid" |
| 00:38:57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you never ever ever have to remove an old version. its just like redhat.. rpm -Uvh.. or dpkg .. dpkg -i .. |
| 00:39:13 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: just keep that in mind. just tap on the new one to install it and all will be well |
| 00:39:20 | KallDrexx | stupid computer |
| 00:39:33 | jbardin | so why would it be ignoring the #ifndefs? |
| 00:39:34 | kergoth | jbardin: well you didnt do somthing right, or you wouldnt be getting the errors |
| 00:39:36 | Com[Plex] | cool. thanx. |
| 00:39:38 | kergoth | it isnt |
| 00:39:41 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 00:39:47 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: np |
| 00:40:49 | whardier | ljp |
| 00:40:49 | DrBoB | Q: Is the rotation utility used on the Z called qpe-rotation? |
| 00:40:51 | whardier | BAD ASS! |
| 00:41:02 | kergoth | DrBoB: or opie-rotation, if you're on OZ |
| 00:41:47 | DrBoB | right ... I found that utility in the ipaq subdirectiory...so Ijust wondered if I had the right one |
| 00:41:53 | kergoth | ipaq? |
| 00:42:01 | ljp | whardier: heh works a bit better eh? |
| 00:42:36 | whardier | yeah |
| 00:42:40 | whardier | this of course broke searching |
| 00:42:49 | DrBoB | yes... twosubdirectories..one for the Z with about three apps and one for the ipaq with about 50 |
| 00:42:56 | Com[Plex] | guys. got a question. moot here cant write to the root of his CF card. hs getting a read only error. ghow can he mount that as writable? |
| 00:43:03 | ljp | whardier: I havent gotten that far |
| 00:43:03 | Com[Plex] | or is it a chmod thing? |
| 00:43:09 | whardier | I have absolutely no idea where I am in the book |
| 00:43:09 | whardier | heh |
| 00:43:11 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:43:15 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: would need the exact error |
| 00:43:30 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: try mount -t auto -o rw,remount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf; |
| 00:43:31 | Com[Plex] | mv: unable to rename `zImage': Read-only file system |
| 00:43:32 | ljp | oh, and I need to hook up bookmarks, I suppose |
| 00:43:37 | jbardin | my frekin head hurst |
| 00:43:39 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: um |
| 00:43:43 | jbardin | i must be doing somethin way fed up |
| 00:43:45 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: how'd he get he files on there int he first place? |
| 00:43:46 | tux_mike | gah. |
| 00:43:56 | tux_mike | throws his hands up in frustration |
| 00:44:09 | Com[Plex] | no idea |
| 00:44:15 | tux_mike | i've realized i cannot think when i'm stressed |
| 00:44:19 | Com[Plex] | oh oh. sorry, from teh cradle |
| 00:44:31 | Com[Plex] | sync software got the file in the documents folder |
| 00:44:45 | whardier | anyways |
| 00:44:47 | Com[Plex] | I tried copying something from elsewhere and it still doe4snt work. |
| 00:44:48 | whardier | it loads faster now |
| 00:44:58 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: well it wasnt read only before, or the files would never have gotten on there. |
| 00:45:03 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: what changed, iss the question |
| 00:45:04 | whardier | if I have my own ideas. then I suppose it is right that I program them |
| 00:45:05 | whardier | heh |
| 00:45:12 | whardier | I just don't wanna |
| 00:45:21 | kergoth | i shouldve gotten a decent amount of sleep last night |
| 00:45:26 | kergoth | im tired, cant concentrate on my code |
| 00:45:34 | Com[Plex] | *comfort* |
| 00:45:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:46:10 | Com[Plex] | sorry to hkeep pestering you like this. when I haev it all figured out, Ill be answering as many questions as I can. |
| 00:46:12 | DrBoB | kergoth: http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/ |
| 00:46:18 | whardier | fuck a duck this sucks |
| 00:46:25 | warmi | re |
| 00:46:34 | kergoth | DrBoB: i hope you're not trying to install that directly frm the feed |
| 00:46:38 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 00:46:55 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: tis alright, how else would you learn. :-) |
| 00:47:06 | Com[Plex] | manuals. lots of manuals |
| 00:47:09 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 00:47:10 | DrBoB | no, I downloaded it and moved them into the Z then installed them |
| 00:47:13 | Com[Plex] | and trial and error. |
| 00:47:43 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 00:47:47 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/EOTW.png |
| 00:47:52 | whardier | if I could just have that I would be happy |
| 00:48:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:48:14 | tux_mike | moZilla? |
| 00:48:24 | whardier | well |
| 00:48:26 | whardier | just.. that simple |
| 00:48:32 | whardier | not crowded |
| 00:48:38 | kergoth | let the dragon ride again on the winds of time. |
| 00:48:40 | kergoth | blah |
| 00:48:48 | DrBoB | that, and the qt-rotation-fonts install ok....but have exit problems on the Sharp 2.38 ROM |
| 00:49:04 | tux_mike | needs more dragon stuff |
| 00:49:23 | Com[Plex] | kergoth. can I install the new IPKG package from the feed? or do I ahve to do that locally? |
| 00:49:33 | EditorGarfield | I suppose the reason my WiFi card doesn't work may be related to the fact that my AP is sitting on a wire rack, with the atennae right near one of the shelves, right? :-) |
| 00:49:37 | tux_mike | ... |
| 00:49:41 | tux_mike | damnit!!! |
| 00:49:42 | tux_mike | >< |
| 00:49:47 | jbardin | if a .h file only has 1 declaration would that cause a problem? |
| 00:49:50 | whardier | I need to move /opt back to the flash |
| 00:49:55 | whardier | good lord its slow |
| 00:49:55 | tux_mike | i left my z's power adapter at work |
| 00:49:55 | DrBoB | they worked just fine before ... so it's something with the new ROM from Sharp ..... |
| 00:49:58 | tux_mike | -_- |
| 00:50:13 | jbardin | the file that i delcar my var in has 1 declaration.. wrapped by tyhe #ifndef statements |
| 00:50:30 | jbardin | yet i still get multiple definition errors |
| 00:51:54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you should be able to upgrade it from the feed directly. i havent tested it myself |
| 00:51:55 | whardier | # du -hs .opt |
| 00:51:55 | whardier | 27.9M .opt |
| 00:51:56 | whardier | heh |
| 00:52:03 | whardier | this could be difficult |
| 00:52:09 | jbardin | and the locations are in binary.. |
| 00:52:15 | kergoth | whardier: ? |
| 00:52:22 | jbardin | it says menu.o(.bss+0x0): multiple definition of `db' |
| 00:52:50 | whardier | oh that was dumb |
| 00:52:52 | whardier | me just removes opt |
| 00:52:54 | kergoth | jbardin: well the compiler isnt lying to you.. its probably just something simple you're overlooking |
| 00:53:24 | jbardin | well could the problem be that the variable is defined in two different .o files? |
| 00:53:49 | whardier | time to reflash! |
| 00:53:52 | whardier | fuck! |
| 00:54:22 | whardier | heh |
| 00:54:27 | whardier | is such a boob |
| 00:54:35 | kergoth | jbardin: of course. read the error message again. |
| 00:54:46 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 00:54:47 | jbardin | menu.o(.bss+0x0): multiple definition of `db' |
| 00:54:51 | jbardin | what does that mean..? |
| 00:55:06 | whardier | bull shit syndrome |
| 00:56:10 | DrBoB | this business of rewriteable firmware is the best thing since sliced bread! |
| 00:56:27 | whardier | how do I use opie-oipkg for installing ipks on the filesystem |
| 00:56:27 | whardier | heh |
| 00:56:39 | whardier | BuuRP! |
| 00:56:42 | jbardin | kergoth.. whjats wrong with this file? http://sig.mine.nu/~jbardin/SqliteDatabase.h |
| 00:57:02 | whardier | heh! |
| 00:57:03 | jbardin | and you mentioned you used sqlite i nbeleibve how did you have the db connection 'global' so you didnt have to keep opening a connection and what not |
| 01:00:08 | kergoth | jbardin: the problem is exactly what the compiler says, you're defining it more than once |
| 01:00:21 | kergoth | jbardin: surprisingly enough, the errors do actually say what they mean most of hte time ;-) |
| 01:01:11 | jbardin | but thats the only place i even define that variable, and i just include that file twice |
| 01:04:26 | Lerris- | if you define it in a header file, make it extern in there, then add a real declaration of it in one of your .c files... |
| 01:04:30 | whardier | use rsync for writing to CF |
| 01:04:34 | whardier | handles all the io m uch better |
| 01:05:07 | erikd | *yawn* |
| 01:05:11 | erikd | that was a nice nap |
| 01:05:48 | Lerris- | hey erik :) |
| 01:05:53 | erikd | heya lerris :) |
| 01:05:56 | jbardin | Lerris extern? |
| 01:06:11 | erikd | what brings you here? |
| 01:06:13 | erikd | get a Z? |
| 01:06:24 | Lerris- | yeah... extern DB *db; (or whatever it happens to be) in the .h file that you're including |
| 01:06:33 | Lerris- | then in a related .c file, do DB *db; |
| 01:06:43 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth., how come when I click on the "ipkgind&killefiz" it closes the IPKG manager? |
| 01:06:56 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 01:06:56 | erikd | ibot logs |
| 01:07:00 | Lerris- | erikd: nah... just saw my friend from school, Kalldrexx, was in here... |
| 01:07:03 | jbardin | Lerris... i am unfmilar with the extern.. what does that like 'do' ? |
| 01:07:06 | erikd | ah |
| 01:07:13 | erikd | small world :) |
| 01:07:23 | Lerris- | it tells the compiler that the real declaration of the variable is in an external file |
| 01:07:34 | Lerris- | so it's not redeclaring it every time you include the header file |
| 01:07:41 | Lerris- | they'll all point to the same declaration when it links |
| 01:08:04 | whardier | is the ipaq SD drivers faster at all? |
| 01:08:27 | ljp | ipaq has sd drivers? |
| 01:08:55 | jbardin | Lerris your a fucking geniuos |
| 01:10:07 | warmi | ljp: ipaq has SD slot |
| 01:10:14 | warmi | only SD to be exact |
| 01:10:34 | erikd | time for some cs |
| 01:10:35 | erikd | bbl |
| 01:10:38 | treke|home | ljp: ipaq only has mmc drviers |
| 01:11:54 | ljp | treke: thats what I thought |
| 01:12:00 | treke|home | ljp: There is a possibility of a binary only sd driver, but it doesnt sound lke a high priority |
| 01:14:32 | Com[Plex] | wow.. I think the ipkg program just shat itself |
| 01:14:40 | Com[Plex] | tryin to download updated files. |
| 01:14:45 | treke|home | I dont believe it! |
| 01:14:56 | Com[Plex] | I take it back |
| 01:15:03 | Com[Plex] | it jsut needed a few days to recover |
| 01:15:03 | DrBoB | some wizard *must* deecompile and reverse engineer this mysterious SD driver and write an open source version. |
| 01:15:21 | Wembly | drbob: herm.. |
| 01:15:23 | Wembly | you mean two |
| 01:15:37 | wezzel | hello |
| 01:15:40 | Com[Plex] | hehe. they dont want you to reverse engineer the SD driver, because the device has "copy protection" |
| 01:15:40 | treke|home | mutters something about lawyers, a wall, and the revolution |
| 01:15:41 | Com[Plex] | in it |
| 01:15:44 | Wembly | one for a white room another for the black room. |
| 01:16:21 | Wembly | herm.... |
| 01:16:22 | DrBoB | Freedom has a way of being contagious |
| 01:16:23 | Wembly | *ponders* |
| 01:17:04 | wezzel | Are there any help files on how to setup the dev_img file? I can mount it. But unforunatly no install readme. please help |
| 01:17:11 | Wembly | wonders what protocols would need to be in place to do that.. |
| 01:17:54 | DrBoB | *waits in the wings with Money, Guns, and lawyers" just in case a jailbreak is needed |
| 01:18:26 | Wembly | well |
| 01:18:48 | Wembly | reverse engineering for interop is.. or atleast was perfectly legal |
| 01:19:06 | Wembly | maintaining the copy protection scheme is perfectly ok as well. |
| 01:19:23 | treke|home | it'll still get you sued/arrested |
| 01:19:29 | Wembly | if users wish to edit the source code to disable that scheme if possable then there is nothing one can do to prevent that. |
| 01:19:33 | Wembly | shrugs |
| 01:19:42 | Wembly | sued for what? |
| 01:19:44 | Wembly | i have no money |
| 01:19:48 | Wembly | no job. |
| 01:19:50 | Wembly | *shrug* |
| 01:19:56 | Wembly | my life's fairly worthless at this point. |
| 01:20:12 | DrBoB | well, who's to say? we just found the drivers on the doorstep one night..LOL |
| 01:20:23 | Wembly | pritty much yea |
| 01:20:44 | ljp | maybe they'll sue for the worth of the minerals in your body |
| 01:20:51 | Wembly | besides the sd driver for the zaurus dosnt have copy protection anyhow. |
| 01:20:54 | DrBoB | I was an "act of god? LOL |
| 01:22:11 | whardier | wtf |
| 01:22:16 | whardier | why can't I load png backgrounds now? |
| 01:22:54 | Fatbum | hola |
| 01:22:56 | Fatbum | 79 ow |
| 01:22:58 | Fatbum | wow |
| 01:23:02 | Fatbum | grown since i been here |
| 01:23:04 | Fatbum | jeebus |
| 01:25:38 | whardier | after hitting lots of random buttons |
| 01:25:42 | whardier | its seems to work now |
| 01:25:57 | Fatbum | been an update to oz since i visited i bet |
| 01:26:43 | Fatbum | hahah two! |
| 01:27:42 | moot | im installing oz right now ;) |
| 01:27:46 | moot | flashing rather |
| 01:27:50 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 01:27:50 | Fatbum | im ado it |
| 01:27:51 | moot | damn little lights, be gone |
| 01:27:54 | Fatbum | haha |
| 01:27:56 | moot | thanks to JONNAY!!! |
| 01:27:59 | Fatbum | love them lil ltes |
| 01:28:04 | moot | who led me to fix my cf, which i fucked up :) |
| 01:28:16 | Com[Plex] | dont worry kergoth, Ill answer all the questions I can for him. hehe |
| 01:28:20 | Fatbum | when me and my friend where in jail we were wishing for our z's |
| 01:28:30 | Com[Plex] | ahaha |
| 01:28:37 | Com[Plex] | what were you in jail for?? |
| 01:28:47 | Fatbum | possession of marihuana |
| 01:28:52 | Com[Plex] | OH NO |
| 01:28:58 | Com[Plex] | what country/state ? |
| 01:28:58 | Fatbum | it sucked |
| 01:29:02 | DrBoB | Wembly: that was supposed to be IT was an "act of god" ? LOL |
| 01:29:03 | Fatbum | bexar county tx |
| 01:29:16 | Com[Plex] | sucky man. |
| 01:29:24 | Com[Plex] | I got in trouble with soemthing similar a while back.. |
| 01:29:25 | Fatbum | yepsir |
| 01:29:27 | Com[Plex] | its no fun |
| 01:29:30 | Fatbum | 12 hours with feet cuffs |
| 01:29:32 | Fatbum | GRRRR |
| 01:29:35 | Com[Plex] | I went to jail for 8 days |
| 01:29:43 | Fatbum | i was fine with my 18 |
| 01:29:47 | Fatbum | hours that is |
| 01:29:49 | Fatbum | that sucked enough |
| 01:29:52 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 01:29:58 | Fatbum | i got a friend in for 5-9 months |
| 01:30:11 | Fatbum | juvie tho cuz he commited the crime at 16, but hes 17 now |
| 01:30:35 | wezzel | Has anyone setup Dev_img to get gcc on there Zaurus? |
| 01:30:50 | whardier | Fatbum where do you order your friends from? |
| 01:30:54 | Fatbum | haha |
| 01:30:59 | whardier | I always have to return mine after 2 months |
| 01:31:08 | Fatbum | that guy whos in for 5-9 and i set up a crack house in his garage |
| 01:31:15 | Fatbum | of course...he may have done crack i didnt |
| 01:31:19 | Fatbum | we just liked the four fotter |
| 01:31:23 | Fatbum | footer |
| 01:31:24 | DrBoB | staying out of jail is one of my priorities too... :-) |
| 01:31:28 | Fatbum | and the homemade hookah |
| 01:31:31 | Fatbum | yay |
| 01:31:42 | Fatbum | i remember goin to home depot and using a rum bottle for a base |
| 01:31:51 | Fatbum | we had seating for 20 peopls |
| 01:31:59 | Fatbum | 2 couches |
| 01:32:17 | Fatbum | ok the new oz....no zimage? |
| 01:32:45 | tux_mike | use the last rev. nothing changed in kerenl |
| 01:33:46 | Fatbum | flash get cleared if i do hard reset? |
| 01:33:48 | Fatbum | rite? |
| 01:34:02 | whardier | I dunno |
| 01:34:22 | whardier | damn this sucks |
| 01:34:24 | Fatbum | im getting wlan cf card for 20 bucks! |
| 01:34:25 | Fatbum | weeee |
| 01:34:27 | whardier | nobody is home/awake/not stoned |
| 01:34:33 | DrBoB | ram gets cleared... flash stays the same |
| 01:34:39 | Fatbum | im not stoned |
| 01:34:50 | Fatbum | even with oz rom DrBoB? |
| 01:35:03 | moot | nice |
| 01:35:10 | moot | flashed oz on ;) |
| 01:35:16 | DrBoB | Well, that's how it works with the Sharp ROM |
| 01:35:17 | Fatbum | yay |
| 01:35:21 | Fatbum | yea |
| 01:35:26 | Fatbum | the flash rom is writable in oz |
| 01:35:50 | Fatbum | pkg manager still sucks? |
| 01:36:04 | DrBoB | still, the hard reset jst douches the volitile memory |
| 01:36:16 | Fatbum | douches hehe |
| 01:36:37 | whardier | you douche |
| 01:36:43 | Com[Plex] | what is opie-libmadplugin ? |
| 01:36:48 | whardier | its crazy |
| 01:36:55 | Fatbum | for playing wavs? |
| 01:36:58 | Fatbum | i thought |
| 01:37:01 | Fatbum | i dont rememb |
| 01:37:24 | Fatbum | two zimage40-24's?!?!?!1 |
| 01:37:25 | Fatbum | wtf? |
| 01:37:33 | Wembly | yea |
| 01:37:53 | moot | use 20-6 |
| 01:38:06 | extremis | ptppptppt |
| 01:38:07 | moot | i think thats it |
| 01:38:08 | Wembly | i think its a bug |
| 01:38:11 | Fatbum | 20-6? |
| 01:38:12 | Wembly | withsf .net |
| 01:38:15 | moot | if you use 5000d |
| 01:38:23 | Fatbum | well i sure dont |
| 01:38:38 | moot | ahh ok |
| 01:38:55 | Com[Plex] | whats opie liquid? |
| 01:39:01 | moot | 40-24 |
| 01:39:03 | moot | ? |
| 01:39:06 | | somebody said opie was the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 01:39:06 | Fatbum | ibot:opie |
| 01:39:41 | Com[Plex] | uh.. no, I mean, what is the pacvkage "opie-liquid" ? |
| 01:39:57 | Fatbum | yes i realize that |
| 01:40:04 | | Fatbum: huh? |
| 01:40:04 | Fatbum | ibot: bite Com[Plex] |
| 01:40:07 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:40:16 | Com[Plex] | *frown* |
| 01:40:20 | Fatbum | :) |
| 01:40:24 | Fatbum | bites cuz ibot is dumb |
| 01:41:00 | whardier | bites cause he has food in his mouth |
| 01:41:44 | Com[Plex] | fat,. were you telling me to go ask someone else? |
| 01:41:59 | Com[Plex] | or will one of those links give em a description of all these ipks? |
| 01:42:48 | Fatbum | um lemme see |
| 01:42:59 | moot | uhoh |
| 01:43:06 | moot | oz wont sync for me |
| 01:43:13 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:43:18 | Com[Plex] | moot. msg. |
| 01:43:27 | moot | i guess i could ftp right? |
| 01:43:48 | Com[Plex] | ftp with what moo? you dont have a nic. dont worry, we will get it working through your usb |
| 01:44:01 | moot | yeah, i know thru cradle |
| 01:44:03 | Fatbum | opie-liquid: Description: Liquid style by Mosfet. |
| 01:44:04 | Fatbum | Mosfet's well known Liquid GUI style from KDE, |
| 01:44:04 | Fatbum | ported to OPIE. |
| 01:44:17 | Fatbum | happppeee? |
| 01:44:32 | Com[Plex] | . .. |
| 01:44:48 | Com[Plex] | jeez man. lighten up |
| 01:45:03 | Fatbum | i am lite im just saying happy with a smile :) |
| 01:45:04 | Fatbum | you know? |
| 01:45:07 | Fatbum | lik ehola |
| 01:45:42 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 01:46:08 | whardier | is so gonna shizzle a nizzle soon |
| 01:54:24 | Com[Plex] | uh.. wtf.. why isnt there ftp in this busybox?? |
| 01:54:31 | Com[Plex] | I need cmd line ftp!!! |
| 01:54:54 | ljp | some people want everything |
| 01:55:10 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 01:55:16 | chouimat|break | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGggg |
| 01:55:33 | Com[Plex] | well./ the fact that I cant find the ftp app in the list of ipkgs, doesnt help |
| 01:56:27 | chouimat|break | less than an 1hr before the deadline and my app don't compile anymore ] |
| 01:56:43 | VerxHome | oh, did they make a hard deadline? |
| 01:57:01 | chouimat|break | VerxHome sniper tell me 23h59 EST |
| 01:57:24 | treke|home | chouimat|break: oops :) |
| 01:57:37 | chouimat|break | I gave up |
| 01:57:57 | jbardin | anyone know how to get a "string" into a "QString" variable? |
| 01:58:44 | Fatbum | string + im an idiot = QString * 1; |
| 01:58:48 | Fatbum | ?? |
| 01:58:49 | chouimat|break | no Zaurus for me :( |
| 01:58:51 | Fatbum | i think |
| 01:59:16 | jbardin | um i dont think so |
| 01:59:33 | Fatbum | i know |
| 01:59:41 | Fatbum | geez ass |
| 02:01:26 | jbardin | arg... i have no docs for the string datatype in this program |
| 02:01:30 | jbardin | i wish they gave me what it is.. |
| 02:01:31 | whardier | views all penny arcades for 2002 so far |
| 02:03:36 | chouimat|break | later |
| 02:04:09 | Fatbum | cool |
| 02:04:16 | jbardin | anyone familar with sqlitedataset extenion? |
| 02:07:57 | moot | hey, just installed oz |
| 02:08:08 | Fatbum | yay |
| 02:08:12 | Fatbum | eh |
| 02:08:12 | moot | and forgot to put a ftp program on my card (i use cradle for transfers) |
| 02:08:16 | moot | and now i cant sync :P |
| 02:08:29 | moot | so how do you ftp thru terminal? so i can get opie ftp on there or something |
| 02:08:31 | oGMo | moot, ssh |
| 02:08:35 | Fatbum | affirm |
| 02:08:37 | oGMo | ssh is better anyway |
| 02:08:53 | oGMo | i think you can even sftp |
| 02:09:13 | moot | is it on the oz install though? |
| 02:13:43 | warmi | jbardin: trying to compile stl program ? |
| 02:14:12 | moot | grrr why wont it sync :/ |
| 02:14:47 | tux_mike | warmi: ping |
| 02:14:58 | warmi | tux_mike: aha ? |
| 02:15:06 | warmi | . |
| 02:15:20 | Fatbum | what i need to conf on my z to use my zp shared connection? |
| 02:15:21 | tux_mike | what's the relevance of the paintEvent |
| 02:15:31 | Fatbum | xp rather |
| 02:15:47 | tux_mike | i can't seem to be able to draw anything on the widget without it, and with it things don't paint right |
| 02:15:48 | moot | grrr |
| 02:15:52 | moot | sync dammit :( |
| 02:15:56 | moot | brb im gonna reboot |
| 02:15:56 | warmi | it contains actual update rectangle |
| 02:16:12 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have the doom ipkgs on hand? |
| 02:16:25 | warmi | you only need it if you are setting clipping on your QPainter |
| 02:16:37 | tux_mike | shouldn't i be able to paint to the widget with QPainter *screenPainter = new QPainter(this); |
| 02:17:02 | Fatbum | what i need to conf on my z to use my xp shared connection? |
| 02:17:04 | warmi | in your painEvent() ? |
| 02:17:14 | warmi | yeah.. you should |
| 02:17:16 | tux_mike | shouldn't that work anywhere? |
| 02:17:20 | warmi | yep |
| 02:17:21 | warmi | it does |
| 02:17:40 | tux_mike | it's not |
| 02:17:53 | Fatbum | what i need to conf on my z to use my xp shared connection? |
| 02:17:56 | warmi | you are doing something else wrong |
| 02:18:01 | warmi | of course it does |
| 02:18:12 | warmi | how else one could perform an animation ? |
| 02:18:24 | tux_mike | if you're around tomorrow, i'll have you look at it |
| 02:18:29 | warmi | ok |
| 02:19:46 | whardier | I installed konqueror to SD |
| 02:19:51 | whardier | it worked when I rant it once |
| 02:19:57 | whardier | now it doesn't work at all |
| 02:19:58 | whardier | heh |
| 02:20:18 | VerxHome | whardier, lemme try it |
| 02:20:19 | VerxHome | sec |
| 02:20:52 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:20:55 | whardier | seems to just segfault now |
| 02:21:01 | whardier | of sorts |
| 02:21:05 | whardier | run then die immedietly |
| 02:21:08 | whardier | "from shell" |
| 02:21:18 | VerxHome | whardier: I installed mine to SD |
| 02:21:22 | VerxHome | and it still runs from SD |
| 02:21:27 | whardier | go to the term |
| 02:21:33 | whardier | then run |
| 02:21:38 | Fatbum | any1 got a good solution for internet thru usb on zp msg me |
| 02:21:41 | Fatbum | xp |
| 02:21:47 | whardier | /mnt/card/opt/blahla/bin/konqblah |
| 02:21:56 | moot | hmmm |
| 02:22:11 | moot | i cant get my z to sync with oz, or ftp thru it, :/ |
| 02:23:02 | VerxHome | fatbum |
| 02:23:09 | VerxHome | I am configuring that literally at this very moment |
| 02:23:17 | VerxHome | just install the software your Z came with |
| 02:23:19 | VerxHome | works fine |
| 02:23:32 | moot | erm |
| 02:23:35 | moot | yes i have qtopia :P |
| 02:23:42 | moot | but it wont sync with oz for me |
| 02:23:44 | Fatbum | riiiiite |
| 02:24:06 | Fatbum | why is vnd on my pc refusing connection from my z? |
| 02:24:19 | moot | vnc? |
| 02:24:25 | Fatbum | yessuh |
| 02:24:29 | anse|or | doh, oh well. |
| 02:24:29 | Cloudchaser | what version of qtopia desktop do you have? |
| 02:24:35 | anse|or | couldn't get mine working. |
| 02:24:35 | Fatbum | vnc server is a wierd ass program too |
| 02:24:38 | anse|or | in time |
| 02:24:39 | Cloudchaser | vnc won't work with oz at the moment |
| 02:24:48 | Fatbum | it just runs? and doesnt tell me its running? |
| 02:24:54 | Cloudchaser | fnbvncserver that is |
| 02:25:08 | Fatbum | yea |
| 02:25:14 | Fatbum | im running it in sharp rom |
| 02:25:19 | TheMasterMind1 | moot: on linux? |
| 02:25:52 | Fatbum | whats my nameserver? |
| 02:26:34 | jbardin | is the home dir /home/root |
| 02:26:38 | moot | was afk, what? |
| 02:26:40 | jbardin | or just /root on the z? |
| 02:26:41 | Fatbum | whats my nameserver? |
| 02:26:56 | Fatbum | the lan connection i use to get on internet? |
| 02:27:01 | Fatbum | the lan connection to z? |
| 02:27:16 | Cloudchaser | moot: read back |
| 02:29:27 | whardier | I want X on the Z |
| 02:29:34 | whardier | if for nothing more than using Dillo |
| 02:29:35 | Fatbum | it is |
| 02:29:37 | scanline | whardier: so install it :P |
| 02:29:42 | Fatbum | :) |
| 02:29:51 | whardier | scanline: isn't that easier said than done? |
| 02:30:13 | scanline | whardier: Intimate and Familiar have X, and prpplague wrote a daemon to convert Zaurus touchscreen events to iPaq |
| 02:30:13 | Fatbum | how do you configure vncserver on the z? |
| 02:32:21 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:32:35 | whardier | if anything I can use x2x |
| 02:32:38 | whardier | for the time being |
| 02:32:41 | whardier | kills /opt |
| 02:33:08 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have the doom ipks handy ? |
| 02:33:09 | Fatbum | eh |
| 02:33:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 02:33:52 | TheMasterMind1 | the wad |
| 02:34:06 | Fatbum | i do TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:34:13 | moot | accept |
| 02:34:17 | TheMasterMind1 | moot: i did.. |
| 02:34:19 | Fatbum | k nm |
| 02:34:20 | moot | gag!' |
| 02:34:23 | moot | hold on |
| 02:34:33 | jbardin | anyone hjave a link to the tool to build the ipkg files? |
| 02:34:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i have doomdemo |
| 02:34:38 | TheMasterMind1 | need the other stuff |
| 02:34:45 | TheMasterMind1 | the stuff that was on the gnurou site |
| 02:34:59 | moot | im uploading now |
| 02:35:21 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 02:35:37 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, tckvideo is worthless |
| 02:35:44 | moot | figured ;) |
| 02:35:46 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer runs divx much better |
| 02:36:00 | moot | can you send me that? |
| 02:36:07 | TheMasterMind1 | and apache needs libdb.. |
| 02:36:09 | TheMasterMind1 | need to find that |
| 02:36:34 | whardier | backs his ass up |
| 02:36:36 | TheMasterMind1 | but its not free.. |
| 02:36:39 | whardier | with rsync |
| 02:36:54 | whardier | moves opt to his network |
| 02:36:57 | Com[Plex | *sih* |
| 02:38:10 | whardier | *sugh* |
| 02:38:26 | TheMasterMind1 | rsync++ |
| 02:38:45 | whardier | scanline: you just want me to stop bitching |
| 02:38:47 | whardier | don't you |
| 02:38:52 | TheMasterMind1 | except when you're running it on shitty computers with fucking linksys' that run slow as crap when they're in fullduplex and try to boot from the network when they reboot... |
| 02:38:53 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 02:39:04 | codemnky | waz up |
| 02:39:13 | whardier | bastard |
| 02:39:14 | codemnky | (in the budwiser voice) |
| 02:39:29 | Com[Plex | okay, what kind of answer is "ssh" in regards to "how do I ftp from a comand line in OZ" |
| 02:39:29 | whardier | rm -rf opt/ |
| 02:39:30 | whardier | :) |
| 02:39:41 | codemnky | scp |
| 02:39:47 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 02:39:49 | codemnky | they prob meant |
| 02:39:59 | TheMasterMind1 | NOW the irda thingamabob shows up in the little bar |
| 02:40:05 | codemnky | whardier |
| 02:40:09 | codemnky | i need a favor |
| 02:40:43 | codemnky | i need you to make me a kick ass image and release it to me for free under the GNU project i'm working on |
| 02:40:44 | whardier | I need a flavor |
| 02:40:53 | whardier | who me? |
| 02:40:54 | whardier | ok |
| 02:40:57 | whardier | shoot biznatch! |
| 02:41:07 | Com[Plex | I dont have an ssh server. all I ahev is an ftp server. how can I get files from it through teh OZ command line? |
| 02:41:23 | VerxHome | codemnky: What app? |
| 02:41:34 | VerxHome | the statistic plot thingy? |
| 02:41:47 | whardier | the whoopidy hopidy happidy! |
| 02:41:50 | codemnky | it's not quiet i'm app yet |
| 02:41:54 | whardier | thats call for a movie to watch |
| 02:41:57 | Fatbum | yay |
| 02:41:59 | codemnky | it's for http://www.mycity.com |
| 02:42:06 | whardier | :) |
| 02:42:21 | whardier | that shure has changed! |
| 02:42:31 | codemnky | what did? |
| 02:42:37 | whardier | nm |
| 02:42:42 | whardier | that looks nothing like the portals |
| 02:42:56 | codemnky | what are you talking about |
| 02:43:14 | codemnky | looks different then it did before? |
| 02:44:22 | whardier | yeah |
| 02:44:26 | whardier | dude |
| 02:44:28 | whardier | I am so bored |
| 02:44:30 | codemnky | i've been pecking on it |
| 02:44:31 | Com[Plex | uh. whos the gyu who made busybox? |
| 02:44:33 | codemnky | me to |
| 02:44:33 | whardier | kill me! |
| 02:44:46 | codemnky | slow dan made busy box i think |
| 02:45:11 | codemnky | if you're board make me an image real quick |
| 02:45:15 | whardier | installs X |
| 02:45:16 | codemnky | and impress the shit out of me |
| 02:45:44 | codemnky | what's to hear what i need? |
| 02:46:25 | VerxHome | codemnky: MyCity is GPL? |
| 02:46:27 | Fatbum | wheres a cvs for the sharp rom apps? |
| 02:46:31 | codemnky | not yet |
| 02:46:37 | codemnky | i'm working on a plan |
| 02:46:40 | Fatbum | wheres a cvs for the sharp rom apps? |
| 02:47:35 | VerxHome | codemnky: You work for whoever owns mycity? |
| 02:47:43 | Fatbum | wheres a cvs for the sharp rom apps? |
| 02:47:52 | codemnky | i'm the programmer who started mycity |
| 02:48:02 | VerxHome | well it looks quite nice man |
| 02:48:05 | TheMasterMind1 | Fatbum: i'm not sure about the sharp rom apps but you can get other stuff at zsi |
| 02:48:05 | VerxHome | congrats |
| 02:48:10 | codemnky | it's been 7 years in the works |
| 02:48:12 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think you can get the sharp rom stuff anywhere |
| 02:48:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i might be wrong |
| 02:48:22 | codemnky | thanks |
| 02:48:52 | codemnky | it has many bugs, still fooling with it |
| 02:49:17 | whardier | you fool |
| 02:49:24 | codemnky | that's me |
| 02:49:27 | whardier | fool |
| 02:49:35 | codemnky | i'm graphic handicap |
| 02:49:39 | codemnky | too |
| 02:49:44 | whardier | doscvidania tvorish! |
| 02:49:53 | whardier | runs around in circles |
| 02:49:58 | codemnky | heh |
| 02:50:18 | whardier | heh my honky |
| 02:50:28 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/hanging_out.jpg |
| 02:50:44 | whardier | HAH |
| 02:51:25 | codemnky | funny shit huh |
| 02:52:04 | Com[Plex | what file is the OZ equivalent to /home/root/.bashrc? |
| 02:52:25 | Com[Plex | I had PS1 customized in there on the sharp rom, and I want ti on here. |
| 02:52:36 | moot | jonny |
| 02:52:37 | Com[Plex | .profile doesnt do it.. |
| 02:52:40 | moot | did you figure out how to ftp yet? |
| 02:52:52 | Com[Plex | no, because no one will answer me |
| 02:53:02 | roge99_ | sup codemnky |
| 02:53:03 | Com[Plex | it must be too hard of a question. |
| 02:53:08 | Com[Plex | Ill ahve to go find a windows user. |
| 02:53:13 | codemnky | yo |
| 02:53:16 | Com[Plex | <smirk> |
| 02:53:29 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:53:32 | whardier | X worked |
| 02:53:33 | whardier | heh! |
| 02:53:45 | Cloud_Z | what was the question |
| 02:54:00 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 02:54:03 | Com[Plex | how do you fpt from the konsole within OZ |
| 02:54:05 | VerxHome | I think I ground my Z to a halt |
| 02:54:29 | Com[Plex | fpt = ftp |
| 02:54:35 | Cloud_Z | ah i don't know |
| 02:54:39 | VerxHome | tried to ungzip/untar a 16MB file while opening oipkg |
| 02:54:42 | VerxHome | made for a bad time |
| 02:54:43 | Cloud_Z | never tried |
| 02:55:07 | moot | well i have to same problem as com :P |
| 02:55:09 | VerxHome | complex: you don't |
| 02:55:12 | moot | i shoulda put opieftp on my z :/ |
| 02:55:18 | moot | cf card before i flashed |
| 02:55:29 | VerxHome | if you need to sync with oz |
| 02:55:36 | VerxHome | set security to allow sync from any |
| 02:55:40 | VerxHome | that is what I had to do |
| 02:55:46 | Com[Plex | fuck syncing |
| 02:55:48 | Com[Plex | I want to FTP |
| 02:55:49 | Cloud_Z | nods |
| 02:56:02 | Com[Plex | Idont Sync, I have Never Sinced |
| 02:56:07 | Com[Plex | I FTP the files I want |
| 02:56:10 | VerxHome | well |
| 02:56:12 | Cloud_Z | ftp to your z |
| 02:56:13 | VerxHome | learn about scp |
| 02:56:16 | Com[Plex | I dont even own a cradle |
| 02:56:20 | moot | oh nice i think you fixed it ;) |
| 02:56:24 | Cloud_Z | instead of from |
| 02:56:25 | VerxHome | it is a beautiful thing |
| 02:56:27 | Com[Plex | what is scp? |
| 02:56:27 | moot | allow sync from any eh? |
| 02:56:31 | moot | crosses his fingers |
| 02:56:33 | moot | scan collector point! |
| 02:56:35 | moot | ;) |
| 02:56:37 | VerxHome | moot: Yup |
| 02:56:50 | Com[Plex | woopty fucking doo. another sync feature. wich I dont need |
| 02:56:58 | Com[Plex | because my z doesnt need to sync |
| 02:57:15 | VerxHome | Complex: scp is secure copy |
| 02:57:17 | moot | grrr ;( |
| 02:57:21 | moot | mine still wont sync |
| 02:57:25 | Com[Plex | I cant beleive you can sit there with a blank look on your face and say that a linux device doesnt have ftp in t natively |
| 02:57:29 | VerxHome | it isn't as insecure as ftp |
| 02:57:43 | VerxHome | complex: I haven't used ftp in years dude |
| 02:57:45 | VerxHome | no need |
| 02:57:46 | codemnky | does the z not have an ftp client? |
| 02:57:48 | Cloud_Z | what version qt moot |
| 02:58:02 | Com[Plex | I dont care about security. im not wardriving |
| 02:58:03 | VerxHome | I use scp for everything now |
| 02:58:04 | moot | 1.5 |
| 02:58:12 | Com[Plex | codemnky: thats right |
| 02:58:12 | Cloudchaser | you need 1.6 |
| 02:58:27 | Cloudchaser | and windows has winscp, its very nice |
| 02:58:35 | VerxHome | yup |
| 02:58:38 | moot | can you send me 1.6 please? |
| 02:58:38 | VerxHome | I found that recently |
| 02:58:39 | Com[Plex | looks liek tey broke vi in this too |
| 02:58:40 | Com[Plex | hahaha |
| 02:58:43 | VerxHome | completely free and works great |
| 02:58:48 | Com[Plex | how funny |
| 02:59:02 | moot | vi? |
| 02:59:11 | VerxHome | complex, looks like you are wanting to hate it |
| 02:59:12 | Cloudchaser | i can't dcc |
| 02:59:13 | VerxHome | so don't use it |
| 02:59:22 | Wembly | pfft |
| 02:59:23 | moot | cloud: how come :( |
| 02:59:28 | moot | firewall? |
| 02:59:37 | Cloudchaser | dunno. i think linksys but it should be blocking it |
| 02:59:38 | Wembly | afrade the government is sniffing on your usb cable? |
| 02:59:39 | VerxHome | moot: Download it from sharp dude |
| 02:59:49 | Cloudchaser | it was on trolltech |
| 02:59:51 | moot | aye |
| 02:59:53 | Cloudchaser | but not sure if its there now |
| 02:59:59 | moot | cloud, i think i can fix that for you anyway |
| 03:00:02 | Cloudchaser | linux or windows moot |
| 03:00:03 | Com[Plex | this is pretty lame |
| 03:00:51 | Com[Plex | why limit it like that? no ftp client. what a bargain |
| 03:01:13 | Com[Plex | what happened to vi? |
| 03:01:21 | Com[Plex | what do I ahve to press to delete a character? |
| 03:01:32 | codemnky | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/result.phtml?query=ftp&searchtype=package§ion= |
| 03:01:34 | VerxHome | x |
| 03:01:38 | Com[Plex | since backspace and delete doesnt work anymore |
| 03:01:39 | VerxHome | have you not used vi before? |
| 03:01:41 | codemnky | Com[Plex |
| 03:01:41 | Com[Plex | x? |
| 03:01:43 | codemnky | that's for you |
| 03:01:43 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 03:01:48 | VerxHome | yes |
| 03:01:48 | VerxHome | x |
| 03:01:52 | VerxHome | that is how vi works |
| 03:01:54 | Com[Plex | hhahahaah |
| 03:01:56 | VerxHome | boggles at comlex |
| 03:02:08 | Com[Plex | you must nto have used the sharp rom much |
| 03:02:12 | Com[Plex | not |
| 03:02:16 | VerxHome | I did |
| 03:02:21 | Fatbum | openprojects.??? orG? |
| 03:02:28 | VerxHome | for the 30 seconds it took to see how inferior the sharp rom was to OZ |
| 03:02:29 | Fatbum | net |
| 03:02:42 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 03:02:48 | Com[Plex | hahahahahaha |
| 03:03:21 | Fatbum | anyone use zic? |
| 03:03:24 | jbardin | well the fate of my free pda is upto the gods now |
| 03:03:32 | VerxHome | has used zic |
| 03:03:32 | codemnky | com[plex |
| 03:03:39 | Fatbum | its sucks right? |
| 03:03:40 | VerxHome | jbardin: eh? |
| 03:03:43 | Fatbum | itdoesnt work |
| 03:03:46 | Fatbum | ?? |
| 03:03:48 | Fatbum | or is it me |
| 03:03:52 | Com[Plex | so uh. superior OS user, any idea where to change the prompt? |
| 03:03:54 | VerxHome | it worked for me fine |
| 03:03:57 | Com[Plex | PS1 |
| 03:04:15 | Com[Plex | it used to be in .bashrc, but it seems to have changed |
| 03:04:18 | moot | jonny |
| 03:04:21 | moot | calm down |
| 03:04:27 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:04:33 | VerxHome | complex is funny to watch |
| 03:04:34 | VerxHome | ya know? |
| 03:04:39 | moot | hes angryman ;) |
| 03:04:52 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 03:05:07 | Com[Plex | does no one hold the answer to this question? |
| 03:05:14 | VerxHome | complex |
| 03:05:20 | Com[Plex | yes? |
| 03:05:21 | VerxHome | there is no bash anymore in oz |
| 03:05:24 | VerxHome | bash is frigging huge |
| 03:05:28 | moot | gah!!!!! |
| 03:05:29 | VerxHome | it has ash |
| 03:05:32 | moot | i cant find 1.6 qtopia |
| 03:05:32 | Com[Plex | okeedoke. |
| 03:05:35 | moot | can someone dcc me |
| 03:05:35 | Wembly | change the prompt of what? |
| 03:05:39 | Com[Plex | so then I need_______ |
| 03:05:51 | Com[Plex | the prompt, you now, # in the terminal |
| 03:05:56 | Wembly | oz uses ash |
| 03:06:04 | Com[Plex | so then .ashrc ? |
| 03:06:11 | Com[Plex | help me out here. |
| 03:06:18 | Fatbum | port 23 is ftp |
| 03:06:20 | Wembly | complex: check the manpage for ash |
| 03:06:22 | Fatbum | port 111 is? |
| 03:06:25 | Com[Plex | heheh |
| 03:06:29 | VerxHome | wonders if complex has done any web searches before |
| 03:06:29 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 03:07:05 | Wembly | ash probly uses .profile just like bash... |
| 03:07:09 | Com[Plex | oooh. wow. VerxHome strikes a lethal blow |
| 03:07:15 | Wembly | id try stuffing it in there now. |
| 03:07:17 | Com[Plex | .profile doesnt work tho. tried that |
| 03:07:21 | Wembly | herm. |
| 03:07:31 | Wembly | then if your in the spirit of trying why didnt you try .ashrc? |
| 03:08:28 | Com[Plex | <done> didnt work |
| 03:11:01 | Com[Plex | .profile should work |
| 03:11:02 | jbardin | mm its not so hot my app |
| 03:11:10 | Com[Plex | wonder why its not |
| 03:12:14 | jbardin | yea... |
| 03:13:20 | scanline | is away: sleepytime |
| 03:13:53 | Com[Plex | so now.. if I just install this bash ipk, I could have bash back? - what are the benefits of using ash? other than its smaller size.. |
| 03:13:56 | Wembly | can you display images with alpha onto the screen? |
| 03:14:00 | Wembly | aka |
| 03:14:06 | Wembly | can you have a partly transparent image? |
| 03:14:08 | Com[Plex | I notice that my command list isnt saved when I exit the terminal |
| 03:14:20 | VerxHome | complex: rofl |
| 03:14:25 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:14:29 | Com[Plex | no more hitting the up arrow to use commands I used yesterday |
| 03:14:29 | VerxHome | just install bash dude |
| 03:14:42 | VerxHome | I am laughing too hard to suggest anything else man |
| 03:14:44 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 03:14:54 | Com[Plex | great answer VerxHome: do you do this for a living? placate, but dont answer the real questions. |
| 03:15:22 | Com[Plex | Im glad im entertaining. Im sure Ill be more amused about it tomorrow. |
| 03:16:57 | Fatbum | man pages on z? |
| 03:17:00 | Fatbum | any1? |
| 03:17:10 | Fatbum | how do i use find really |
| 03:17:11 | Fatbum | ? |
| 03:17:12 | Com[Plex | all the mans I ahve are way outdated |
| 03:17:20 | Fatbum | find / -?? runprimtest |
| 03:18:34 | Com[Plex | okay. is there any way to make the prompt show the path im in within "ash" |
| 03:19:42 | Fatbum | find / -?? runprimtest |
| 03:19:43 | Fatbum | find / -?? runprimtest |
| 03:19:45 | Fatbum | ???? |
| 03:20:16 | Com[Plex | lol wow. this is interesting |
| 03:20:58 | moot | do you need qt 1.6 to sync with newest oz? |
| 03:21:18 | Fatbum | any1? |
| 03:21:21 | Fatbum | find syntax? |
| 03:21:34 | Com[Plex | fat, I ahev no idea how to use find. I use locate instead |
| 03:21:42 | Com[Plex | no one knows how to use find. |
| 03:21:47 | Com[Plex | thats why no one uses it |
| 03:21:54 | Fatbum | locate: not found |
| 03:21:58 | Fatbum | great for me eh |
| 03:21:59 | Com[Plex | yeah, gotta install it |
| 03:22:04 | Com[Plex | can you acept dcc? |
| 03:22:08 | VerxHome | complex: try this man |
| 03:22:11 | VerxHome | export export PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 03:22:14 | VerxHome | oops |
| 03:22:16 | VerxHome | only one export |
| 03:22:16 | Fatbum | install wiiith? |
| 03:22:18 | Wembly | why \u? |
| 03:22:21 | VerxHome | and btw |
| 03:22:25 | VerxHome | if you put it in your .profile |
| 03:22:26 | VerxHome | it works |
| 03:22:27 | Wembly | i mean come on... you dont need \u |
| 03:22:35 | VerxHome | YES YOU DO! |
| 03:22:39 | Wembly | hehe |
| 03:22:42 | VerxHome | opie supports multiple users now |
| 03:22:49 | Fatbum | really? |
| 03:22:52 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 03:22:55 | VerxHome | just not in the feeds yet |
| 03:23:06 | Wembly | i thought it did in oz? |
| 03:23:07 | Fatbum | thanks |
| 03:23:08 | VerxHome | they even have a little login tool of some sort |
| 03:23:09 | Com[Plex | verx, its weird, but I tried the export thing, and it didnt seem to work. nwo I got something working from the command line. I dunno. Ill check my typing |
| 03:23:13 | VerxHome | to select which user |
| 03:23:32 | VerxHome | complex: I just couldn't take the laughter any more |
| 03:23:42 | VerxHome | -*ANY*- PS1 you used on bash works fine in ash |
| 03:23:55 | VerxHome | but you keep complaining about how oz is so much worse than sharp rom |
| 03:24:03 | moot | heh |
| 03:24:09 | moot | he preached last night |
| 03:24:10 | moot | :) |
| 03:25:10 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 03:25:16 | Com[Plex | brb. I got explosive diarhea |
| 03:25:26 | VerxHome | thank you for sharing |
| 03:25:34 | Fatbum | ftp server on z iiiis? |
| 03:26:06 | moot | grrr |
| 03:26:10 | moot | still no sync |
| 03:26:25 | Wembly | herm. |
| 03:26:36 | Fatbum | there an nfs mount? |
| 03:26:39 | Fatbum | or something? |
| 03:26:44 | Wembly | have they ported gcc or somesuch to vc.net? |
| 03:28:27 | Fatbum | nfsmount?? |
| 03:28:30 | Fatbum | something? |
| 03:29:15 | moot | yay worky ;) |
| 03:29:19 | moot | thanks cloudchaser |
| 03:29:32 | Cloudchaser | you're welcome |
| 03:30:11 | Cloudchaser | the guys in here helped me through it all last week |
| 03:31:34 | VerxHome | complex, is your shell prompt working now? |
| 03:32:17 | Fatbum | why cant i get vnc working |
| 03:32:19 | Fatbum | asdfsdag |
| 03:32:20 | Fatbum | aaaaah |
| 03:33:30 | Wembly | what power does a theme have? |
| 03:33:38 | moot | does oz include an mplayer? |
| 03:33:42 | Fatbum | no |
| 03:33:45 | moot | i need something to watch divx with |
| 03:33:49 | moot | suggestions? |
| 03:33:50 | Cloudchaser | opie2 is almost ready |
| 03:33:52 | Cloudchaser | i think |
| 03:34:01 | Cloudchaser | look for harlekin in the daytime |
| 03:34:04 | Cloudchaser | he's in germany |
| 03:34:17 | Fatbum | i dont like this chan now |
| 03:34:20 | Fatbum | noone like...helps |
| 03:34:24 | moot | lol |
| 03:34:32 | Wembly | fatbum: what help do you need? |
| 03:34:32 | Fatbum | well...me |
| 03:34:38 | Fatbum | :-( |
| 03:34:42 | Fatbum | hating my z |
| 03:34:44 | Wembly | awww |
| 03:34:45 | Wembly | dont hate it |
| 03:34:49 | Wembly | it loves you :) |
| 03:34:56 | Fatbum | is there an nfs mount or something? |
| 03:34:58 | moot | well whats a mplayer for me to use with oz! |
| 03:34:59 | moot | :P |
| 03:35:05 | Wembly | fatbum: yes and no. |
| 03:35:18 | Fatbum | thereis, but not on z? |
| 03:35:20 | Wembly | fatbum: yes the kernel supports it and all that jazz but i dunno howto actually mount it. |
| 03:35:26 | Fatbum | what about ftpserver? |
| 03:35:31 | Wembly | fatbum: ftpserver? |
| 03:35:44 | Fatbum | an ftpserver |
| 03:35:48 | Wembly | fatbum: ftp into your zaurus ip addr port 4242 |
| 03:35:56 | Cloudchaser | ./ignore off |
| 03:36:07 | Com[Plex | sweet merciful christ. if the city officials knew what I jsut flushed down the sewer, they would probabvly want me to pay some kind of fine. I hope the EPA doesnt do any kind of testing for the next few days.. |
| 03:36:11 | Wembly | its not full featured but its how the file transfer sync app uses |
| 03:36:38 | Wembly | pics up the fone and dials the epa on complex |
| 03:36:38 | moot | ... |
| 03:37:30 | Com[Plex | no verx, the prompt thing doesnt work. export ps1 didnt make a difference. I even tried putting the line in there as PS1='blah' and then added PS1 to the export line along with path and LD_LIBRARY_path |
| 03:38:23 | Fatbum | updatedb.sh |
| 03:38:45 | Com[Plex | yeah |
| 03:38:52 | Wembly | fatbum: the problem with the channel is the time.. ask during the day hehe |
| 03:38:58 | Com[Plex | use updatedb.sh -s to put the library on the SD card |
| 03:38:59 | Fatbum | rite |
| 03:39:03 | Com[Plex | fatbum |
| 03:39:11 | Fatbum | yessuh? |
| 03:39:18 | Wembly | fatbum: but yes you should be able to mount an nfs partition |
| 03:39:18 | VerxHome | well complex |
| 03:39:21 | VerxHome | I am running oz |
| 03:39:25 | VerxHome | and it works perfect for me |
| 03:39:27 | Com[Plex | I just made an alias upd to do that. |
| 03:39:30 | Com[Plex | k verx |
| 03:39:33 | VerxHome | so you are simply unable to type it properly |
| 03:39:37 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 03:39:39 | VerxHome | or somethign similar |
| 03:39:48 | Fatbum | dude....there is a script called upd |
| 03:39:49 | Fatbum | whoa |
| 03:39:51 | VerxHome | ie - not typing it |
| 03:39:52 | VerxHome | or else |
| 03:39:59 | Fatbum | coooool |
| 03:39:59 | VerxHome | editing something other than .profile |
| 03:40:01 | Com[Plex | verx. take my word for it. |
| 03:40:10 | VerxHome | ok complex |
| 03:40:12 | Com[Plex | actually, why dont I just send it to you |
| 03:40:19 | VerxHome | I have installed oz about 6 times in the last 2 days |
| 03:40:25 | Com[Plex | opnly, you will have to wait till I get FTP on here. |
| 03:40:26 | VerxHome | and my shell prompt has worked each and every time |
| 03:40:30 | Com[Plex | hey verx. |
| 03:40:43 | Com[Plex | question. why have you installed oz 6 times in last two days? |
| 03:40:56 | codemnky | pefection |
| 03:40:59 | TheMasterMind1 | moot: divx? |
| 03:41:00 | codemnky | that's why |
| 03:41:02 | Com[Plex | first time didnt work? or were you just practiving? |
| 03:41:04 | codemnky | :) |
| 03:41:15 | VerxHome | nah |
| 03:41:19 | VerxHome | was trying different things |
| 03:41:21 | VerxHome | for instance |
| 03:41:23 | Com[Plex | you like watching the little dots slowly progress across screen? |
| 03:41:28 | VerxHome | trying to fit as much as possible into ROM |
| 03:41:33 | VerxHome | trying to run things from CF |
| 03:41:34 | Com[Plex | ahh |
| 03:41:36 | GrouchoMarx | It would also be nice if my router wouldn't die periodically..... |
| 03:41:40 | VerxHome | running all apps from SD |
| 03:41:41 | VerxHome | that kindof thing |
| 03:41:42 | TheMasterMind1 | zsibot: search mplayer |
| 03:41:42 | zsibot | TheMasterMind1: excuse me? |
| 03:41:48 | TheMasterMind1 | zsibot: mplayer |
| 03:41:48 | zsibot | TheMasterMind1: i'm not following you... |
| 03:41:52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:41:59 | TheMasterMind1 | zsibot: search zsi mplayer |
| 03:41:59 | zsibot | Debug: recent=0, query='' |
| 03:42:00 | zsibot | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 03:42:12 | TheMasterMind1 | zsibot: search for mplayer |
| 03:42:16 | Com[Plex | I was being sarcastic. this is fun, but I am frustrated with certain things, (obviously) |
| 03:42:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hehehe. doom is so kickass with sound |
| 03:42:38 | Com[Plex | anyone whos been in here since decvember knwos very well I will bitch about things if they arent 'just' right./ |
| 03:42:45 | Com[Plex | hah, jsut ask any of the tkc guys |
| 03:42:55 | EditorGarfield | hehe. |
| 03:43:06 | Com[Plex | Im sure they cant forget me. specially considering I PAID for there sucky apps |
| 03:43:08 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 03:43:14 | EditorGarfield | Bitching about things not being perfect, as long as it's constructive, is the best way for non-programmers to contribute. :-) |
| 03:44:56 | Com[Plex | yeah, I try to be constructive. bu I wont pretend it doesnt bother me. one of my bigest frustrations with linux apps is the whole "half assedness" of many of them. like, "its opkay for an app to have a half working gui as long as you can get to the konsole and feed it some paramaters." hell no |
| 03:44:58 | VerxHome | man |
| 03:45:05 | VerxHome | oipkg can be pretty durned inefficient |
| 03:45:33 | VerxHome | simply having oipkg process a 3MB ipkg raises the load to 7 |
| 03:45:45 | VerxHome | now I am trying to install it |
| 03:45:51 | VerxHome | and I think the load is up at like 10 or so |
| 03:46:20 | VerxHome | I guess it has to untar the ipkg to find out what the control file says |
| 03:46:28 | VerxHome | that must be why it takes so long |
| 03:48:50 | Com[Plex | verx: will scp connect to a regular ftp server? |
| 03:49:04 | Wembly | complex: ha? |
| 03:49:13 | Wembly | no scp uses ssh |
| 03:49:40 | Com[Plex | *sigh*. is there any way that I can connect to a regular ordinary ftp server with oz |
| 03:50:01 | VerxHome | complex: No |
| 03:50:04 | Com[Plex | I ahve many important files on an ftp server. I want to go there. theres no way I can make that ftp server be anything but an ftp server until later. |
| 03:50:16 | VerxHome | what box is your ftp server on? |
| 03:50:18 | Com[Plex | I jst want the fuckign Z to connect to it |
| 03:50:25 | moot | anyone know how to get net over usb? |
| 03:50:29 | EditorGarfield | ope-ftp? |
| 03:50:37 | | howto is, like, at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 03:50:37 | Cloudchaser | ibot howto |
| 03:50:47 | Com[Plex | good idea EditorGarfield: only, the ftp package doesnt appear in the feed list |
| 03:50:48 | EditorGarfield | erm, opie-ftp |
| 03:50:59 | VerxHome | complex: DUDE, what box is your ftp server? |
| 03:51:01 | VerxHome | windows |
| 03:51:02 | EditorGarfield | ? It does in the OZ feed. I just saw it not ten minutes ago. |
| 03:51:02 | VerxHome | linux |
| 03:51:03 | VerxHome | what? |
| 03:51:07 | Com[Plex | yep |
| 03:51:09 | Com[Plex | servuftp |
| 03:51:18 | EditorGarfield | blinks |
| 03:51:26 | VerxHome | that sounds like a windows daemon |
| 03:51:28 | EditorGarfield | Hold on a sec, you want to use your Z as an FTP client or server? |
| 03:51:28 | VerxHome | am I right? |
| 03:51:34 | Com[Plex | yes. win2k |
| 03:51:36 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:51:41 | VerxHome | so very simple |
| 03:51:42 | EditorGarfield | Well, there's your problem. :-) |
| 03:51:45 | VerxHome | grab winscp |
| 03:51:50 | VerxHome | for your win2k box |
| 03:51:51 | Com[Plex | typical linux user response |
| 03:51:57 | VerxHome | and push your files to/from your Z with it |
| 03:52:00 | VerxHome | it is very nice |
| 03:52:05 | EditorGarfield | Hey, I'm on a Win2k box as I type this. |
| 03:52:20 | EditorGarfield | Win2k is my standard desktop. I just wouldn't use it for server tasks. |
| 03:52:27 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 03:52:31 | moot | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/winXp.shtml |
| 03:52:32 | VerxHome | I use winXP for desktops |
| 03:52:33 | moot | is that what i want? |
| 03:52:36 | VerxHome | and linux for all server stuff |
| 03:52:46 | VerxHome | moot, you on a Z or an ipaq? |
| 03:52:53 | Com[Plex | ... |
| 03:53:00 | moot | uh z |
| 03:53:03 | VerxHome | k |
| 03:53:12 | VerxHome | do you have the usb drivers installed? |
| 03:53:20 | moot | yes |
| 03:53:22 | EditorGarfield | OK, I think this is what broke it last time. |
| 03:53:24 | moot | i have oz on my z |
| 03:53:29 | moot | i just need to update feeds |
| 03:53:33 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:53:36 | VerxHome | very very simple |
| 03:53:39 | EditorGarfield | opikg has busybox selected for install, and it refuses to deselect it. |
| 03:53:39 | VerxHome | moot: Just do this |
| 03:53:41 | moot | k |
| 03:53:47 | EditorGarfield | Last time I let it, and on next reboot the system was toast. |
| 03:53:51 | VerxHome | right click your network places |
| 03:54:02 | moot | k |
| 03:54:07 | VerxHome | do properties |
| 03:54:22 | moot | k |
| 03:54:28 | VerxHome | right click whatever is your winxp box's connection to the internet |
| 03:54:37 | VerxHome | (make sure your Z is in its cradle right now) |
| 03:54:37 | moot | k |
| 03:54:43 | EditorGarfield | How do I tell it to NOT try to upgrade busybox and kill the system? |
| 03:54:47 | VerxHome | do properties on that |
| 03:54:50 | moot | k |
| 03:54:50 | VerxHome | click on advanced |
| 03:54:59 | VerxHome | share yer connection |
| 03:55:14 | VerxHome | it will (unfortunately) screw up the ip for your Z connection |
| 03:55:14 | moot | k |
| 03:55:20 | VerxHome | say yes to its inane dialog |
| 03:55:28 | moot | ok |
| 03:55:28 | VerxHome | then right click on your Z's connection |
| 03:55:36 | VerxHome | and set its ip back to 192.168.129.200 |
| 03:55:36 | moot | k |
| 03:55:40 | moot | 200? |
| 03:55:44 | moot | i think it was diff before |
| 03:55:48 | VerxHome | this is your desktop side |
| 03:55:52 | VerxHome | your Z is 201 |
| 03:55:54 | VerxHome | the desktop is 200 |
| 03:55:57 | moot | ahh ok |
| 03:56:11 | moot | done |
| 03:56:12 | Cloudchaser | hmm mine is 192.168.129.1 |
| 03:56:19 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:56:20 | VerxHome | now |
| 03:56:24 | VerxHome | on your Z |
| 03:56:30 | moot | k |
| 03:56:31 | VerxHome | make sure your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:56:39 | VerxHome | has whatever your winXP box is using for its nameserver |
| 03:56:45 | VerxHome | and then yer done |
| 03:56:47 | VerxHome | voila |
| 03:57:10 | Wembly | herm. |
| 03:57:30 | Wembly | anyone wanta play wif my oz hotplug package? im looking for vict.. err volenteers ;) |
| 03:57:53 | EditorGarfield | bah! |
| 03:58:02 | EditorGarfield | I just got the bloody thing working, kinda sorta. :-) |
| 03:58:09 | Wembly | ehhe |
| 03:58:11 | Wembly | you have oz? |
| 03:58:16 | EditorGarfield | Hm, how do I select a local file in oipkg? |
| 03:58:29 | Wembly | editor: it should show up under documents-somethingelse |
| 03:58:38 | EditorGarfield | Wembly: Fresh OZ beta 5, just synced to the feed, nothing 3rd party yet, or even optional feed packages. Nice and clean. |
| 03:59:01 | Wembly | editor: heheheh |
| 03:59:01 | EditorGarfield | Does it have to be in a given directory on the card? The documents item has been in oipkg, but doesn't show anything. |
| 03:59:14 | Wembly | editor: herm. |
| 03:59:22 | Wembly | editor: does it showup in the documents tab? |
| 03:59:28 | EditorGarfield | yes |
| 03:59:32 | Cloudchaser | where's your ipkg? |
| 03:59:37 | Wembly | then click on it? |
| 03:59:45 | Cloudchaser | the default i think is /root |
| 03:59:52 | Cloudchaser | you in oz EditorGarfield |
| 03:59:55 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 03:59:59 | EditorGarfield | Cloudchaser: /mnt/cf/ipks |
| 04:00:00 | EditorGarfield | Yes. |
| 04:00:20 | EditorGarfield | Wembly: That works, but why shouldn't I be able to do it from within oipkg? What else is the document list item there for? :-) |
| 04:00:21 | Cloudchaser | ok you have to change something in /root/settings i think |
| 04:00:24 | Cloudchaser | one seck |
| 04:00:31 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 04:00:38 | Wembly | mine shows up in the documents tab |
| 04:00:42 | Wembly | but.. i dunno why yours wouldnt. |
| 04:01:14 | EditorGarfield | document tab, yes, they show up there. |
| 04:01:28 | EditorGarfield | I want them to show up in oipkg, as kergoth keeps telling me they're supposed to. :_) |
| 04:01:32 | Cloudchaser | If you synch your ipkg files to SD or CF card, and want them to show up in Documents tab, you'll need to edit /root/Settings/oipkg.conf file. There's a line docLnkDir=/root or /home. You'll have to edit the path to match where you put your ipkg. In my case it is this: docLnkDir=/mnt/card/Documents/application/ipkg. Once you do this a list of ipkg you have should be in the Documents section of the Package Manager. |
| 04:02:08 | EditorGarfield | hm. |
| 04:02:13 | Cloudchaser | thats what i had to do |
| 04:02:25 | Cloudchaser | kergoth guided me through that |
| 04:02:37 | Cloudchaser | or you can set up feed |
| 04:02:42 | Cloudchaser | point it to your card |
| 04:02:46 | Wembly | herm |
| 04:02:47 | Wembly | brb |
| 04:03:59 | EditorGarfield | But that requires having a Feed Packages file on there. |
| 04:04:10 | EditorGarfield | I just want to put tkc's stuff on my card and be able to install it. :-) |
| 04:04:17 | Cloudchaser | yes, so thats why i did the oipkg.conf thing |
| 04:04:23 | Cloudchaser | thats faster and doesn't require feed |
| 04:05:53 | Cloudchaser | well i need to get to bed.. |
| 04:05:57 | Cloudchaser | g'night all |
| 04:06:09 | VerxHome | see ya |
| 04:07:00 | Com[Plex | EditorGarfield: yuo can, just put them on a card, and then go into your documents fodler, click on the one you want to install and it will come up in the ipkg manager |
| 04:07:18 | Com[Plex | fodler = folder / tab |
| 04:09:09 | Com[Plex | uh.. someone just said that. but mine go there anyway.. |
| 04:09:34 | Com[Plex | maybe they need to be taken out of the documenta folder and put some place closer to the root of the card? |
| 04:09:40 | whardier | is now running X |
| 04:09:43 | whardier | and thus |
| 04:09:44 | whardier | happy |
| 04:09:59 | Com[Plex | x on the z? |
| 04:10:04 | whardier | yesh |
| 04:10:11 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21516.png |
| 04:10:15 | Com[Plex | I tried that once, it doesnt like to resume from suspend |
| 04:10:37 | Com[Plex | if it suspends on its own, or by key, it wouldnt resume. had to soft reset it ev3ry time |
| 04:10:47 | whardier | you are so right! |
| 04:10:52 | whardier | damnit! |
| 04:10:58 | Com[Plex | doh. I was hopeing they would fix that :< |
| 04:11:04 | whardier | I am sure it is |
| 04:11:08 | whardier | I am using familiars feed |
| 04:11:08 | Com[Plex | still using icewm? |
| 04:11:13 | whardier | I am using matchbox |
| 04:11:22 | Com[Plex | ahh, hmm. |
| 04:11:50 | whardier | still VERY ipaqed |
| 04:11:58 | whardier | need to just add most of this stuff to the OZ build system |
| 04:12:13 | whardier | and make task-x ipkgs |
| 04:12:14 | GrouchoMarx | beats his router senseless with a camel |
| 04:12:20 | whardier | Moo? |
| 04:12:24 | VerxHome | wow |
| 04:12:28 | VerxHome | I just learned something |
| 04:12:40 | VerxHome | for SOME packages (apparently really large ones) |
| 04:12:48 | VerxHome | it is far better to install them from a feed |
| 04:12:51 | EditorGarfield | Setting that in the conf file didn't work, by the way. :-) |
| 04:12:58 | VerxHome | than to put the ipk somewhere and install it with oipkg |
| 04:13:10 | Com[Plex | uh. shit.. where is the \ key? |
| 04:13:23 | EditorGarfield | is about to disconnect again, he can feel it..... |
| 04:14:27 | extremis | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=land.13971.png |
| 04:14:35 | extremis | is that a real contact manager? |
| 04:14:42 | extremis | I hope so |
| 04:14:46 | extremis | but I doubt it |
| 04:15:05 | whardier | no |
| 04:15:06 | whardier | thats me |
| 04:15:07 | whardier | heh |
| 04:15:19 | whardier | just pulling somebodies chain |
| 04:15:25 | Com[Plex | hey verx, the .profile line you pasted, shuold I need to reboot to make that take effect? or should I just be able to exit and then restart terminal? |
| 04:16:31 | VerxHome | complex: Exit and it should work |
| 04:16:36 | VerxHome | on next session |
| 04:17:45 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: you out there? |
| 04:18:00 | Com[Plex | verx. where is your .profile located? |
| 04:18:11 | VerxHome | complex: ~ |
| 04:19:05 | Com[Plex | well. I entered the line exactly as you pasted it. <one export> and its just nto working. |
| 04:19:17 | Com[Plex | all I get is the same plane white # |
| 04:19:43 | Com[Plex | export PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 04:19:53 | Com[Plex | he slashes are the right ones arent they? |
| 04:20:10 | Com[Plex | whats teh key on the board to enter those? I keep having to use the onscreen peckerboard |
| 04:23:13 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 22:49:40) |
| 04:23:52 | W|GGL|T | doh...never used alt+a today |
| 04:25:40 | Com[Plex | doh |
| 04:26:09 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 04:26:28 | Com[Plex | verx, I entered the line exactly as you pasted it. <one export> export PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' - and its just not working. the slashes are the right ones arent they? |
| 04:26:33 | Com[Plex | whats teh key on the board to enter those? I keep having to use the onscreen peckerboard |
| 04:26:53 | moot | IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100 |
| 04:26:53 | moot | Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 |
| 04:26:53 | moot | Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:26:53 | moot | DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:26:53 | moot | DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 151.202.0.85 |
| 04:26:54 | moot | 151.203.0.85 |
| 04:26:54 | VerxHome | complex: Yeah. that is what I have in my .profile |
| 04:26:55 | moot | shit |
| 04:26:58 | moot | sorry |
| 04:26:59 | moot | lol |
| 04:27:00 | Com[Plex | weird |
| 04:27:00 | VerxHome | ok moot |
| 04:27:03 | VerxHome | I can read it there |
| 04:27:13 | moot | oh ok |
| 04:27:28 | VerxHome | moot |
| 04:27:35 | VerxHome | on your Z, do an ifconfig |
| 04:27:37 | moot | verx |
| 04:27:39 | moot | ok |
| 04:27:47 | VerxHome | and tell me what usbd0 (or whatever it is called) is set to for its IP |
| 04:30:16 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, if anyone is having problems with usbdnet crapping out after a few mins, i know how to fix it |
| 04:35:32 | Com[Plex | yeah? |
| 04:35:34 | Com[Plex | how o? |
| 04:35:35 | Com[Plex | so |
| 04:37:40 | whardier | night folks |
| 04:39:37 | Com[Plex | is there a linux console in OZ like there is on the sharp rom? <you know, hittin /? on boot> |
| 04:44:02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:44:07 | TheMasterMind1 | gaim on the Z would be nice |
| 04:45:19 | moot | bow down before verx |
| 04:45:23 | moot | for he is your nix god |
| 04:45:23 | moot | ;) |
| 04:45:24 | VerxHome | heh |
| 04:45:46 | Com[Plex | hey verx |
| 04:45:48 | Com[Plex | is there a linux console in OZ like there is on the sharp rom? <you know, hittin /? on boot> |
| 04:45:49 | moot | should the software updater take this long? |
| 04:45:52 | moot | gah |
| 04:45:55 | moot | maybe its my gay firewall |
| 04:45:56 | Com[Plex | it take a while moo |
| 04:45:58 | moot | what port does it use? |
| 04:46:02 | moot | oh |
| 04:46:05 | roge99_ | Com[Plex: no |
| 04:46:06 | moot | 0% for a while :/ |
| 04:46:08 | moot | well... |
| 04:46:12 | moot | maybe i have the port blocked |
| 04:46:14 | moot | what would it use |
| 04:46:21 | Com[Plex | I think I wasted my SD card some how |
| 04:46:35 | Com[Plex | cant seem to acess it without the z locking up |
| 04:46:36 | Com[Plex | :< |
| 04:46:48 | moot | hmm |
| 04:46:54 | moot | update still hung at 0% :( |
| 04:47:32 | Com[Plex | wait. update? |
| 04:47:52 | Com[Plex | at the bottom of the text does it say "ipkg list can be found at /something or other |
| 04:47:53 | Com[Plex | ? |
| 04:47:58 | moot | yeah |
| 04:48:00 | moot | yeah it worked nm |
| 04:48:00 | Com[Plex | is done :. |
| 04:48:01 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 04:48:11 | dunc1010 | i just got my zaurus today |
| 04:48:15 | Com[Plex | no click okay, an then look at the icons |
| 04:48:20 | Com[Plex | grats dunc |
| 04:48:23 | dunc1010 | thanks |
| 04:48:25 | dunc1010 | its awesome |
| 04:48:31 | DrBoB | It takes a long time and only gives you 0%, 50% , and 100% indications on the bar.... the 100% never clears |
| 04:48:31 | dunc1010 | but a lil tricky |
| 04:48:51 | moot | ok im looking at the icons |
| 04:48:52 | moot | ;) |
| 04:48:52 | dunc1010 | like, how come you can't browse the web through USB? |
| 04:48:54 | Com[Plex | yeah. haha |
| 04:48:58 | moot | oh you can |
| 04:49:03 | Com[Plex | yeah can, its just a bitch! |
| 04:49:07 | moot | it took me forEVER |
| 04:49:12 | dunc1010 | really |
| 04:49:12 | moot | Verx knows how :/ |
| 04:49:13 | Com[Plex | the real question is why would yuo want to. lol |
| 04:49:15 | moot | yes |
| 04:49:15 | moot | lol |
| 04:49:20 | moot | yeah it isnt that pleasant |
| 04:49:25 | moot | im gonna hack my cradle up |
| 04:49:28 | moot | to allow the kb to extend |
| 04:49:35 | dunc1010 | true, but i will get 802.11 soon |
| 04:49:38 | dunc1010 | how does that work out |
| 04:49:43 | moot | fine |
| 04:49:45 | moot | most ppl use that |
| 04:49:46 | Com[Plex | I think I nuked my SD card. just all of a sudden |
| 04:49:51 | moot | com |
| 04:49:53 | moot | hey |
| 04:49:56 | moot | im looking at the icons |
| 04:49:59 | moot | now what :P |
| 04:50:11 | Com[Plex | I took apart my cradle when I forst got it. its not really able to be hacked :< |
| 04:50:35 | moot | should i update them all? |
| 04:50:42 | moot | busybox, ipkg and oz-base? |
| 04:50:52 | Com[Plex | uh.. IPKG FIRST |
| 04:51:06 | Com[Plex | everything with an orange box, if your so inclined |
| 04:51:10 | Com[Plex | but ipkg first |
| 04:51:15 | Com[Plex | np |
| 04:51:18 | moot | k done |
| 04:51:25 | Com[Plex | doh |
| 04:51:27 | moot | ok |
| 04:51:30 | moot | did ipkg |
| 04:51:33 | Com[Plex | k |
| 04:51:44 | moot | now oz-base? |
| 04:51:45 | Com[Plex | I jsut went down the list. once I found opieftp |
| 04:51:46 | moot | or busybox? |
| 04:51:46 | Com[Plex | hehe |
| 04:51:46 | dunc1010 | can someone please help me with internet connection thorugh usb? |
| 04:51:50 | Com[Plex | busybox. sure |
| 04:52:02 | Com[Plex | moot, why dont you share what you learned now that its fresh in your head |
| 04:52:05 | Com[Plex | help him out |
| 04:52:11 | Com[Plex | save verx the typing. hehe |
| 04:52:15 | moot | yarg |
| 04:52:19 | moot | well |
| 04:52:21 | moot | do you use winxp? |
| 04:52:25 | dunc1010 | yup |
| 04:52:29 | moot | router? |
| 04:52:45 | dunc1010 | yeah, i tried bridging the connections and all... |
| 04:52:53 | moot | nononono |
| 04:53:09 | moot | wtf |
| 04:53:11 | moot | i cant power off my z? |
| 04:53:12 | moot | lmfao |
| 04:53:40 | Com[Plex | try softreset |
| 04:53:47 | Com[Plex | mines flaking out big time |
| 04:54:00 | dunc1010 | why so many problems do you guys think? |
| 04:54:09 | Com[Plex | were not using the regualr rom dunc |
| 04:54:11 | moot | yeah |
| 04:54:13 | moot | were using OZ |
| 04:54:20 | dunc1010 | phat |
| 04:54:23 | dunc1010 | what r the benefits |
| 04:54:27 | Com[Plex | were using this opther thing called openzaurus. its a fun eperioment, but its very unstable |
| 04:54:39 | moot | ah fuck |
| 04:54:41 | Com[Plex | you familiar with linux at all dunc? |
| 04:54:41 | moot | com |
| 04:54:44 | Com[Plex | moot? |
| 04:54:45 | dunc1010 | you would trade the stability of linux for it then? |
| 04:54:52 | moot | INIT: version 2.84 booting |
| 04:54:58 | Com[Plex | its just a toy dunc. |
| 04:55:01 | dunc1010 | i've never had any dealings with it, so i bought the zaurus to learn |
| 04:55:05 | Com[Plex | is a geeks dream gizmo |
| 04:55:09 | moot | INIT: cannot execute "/etc/init.d./rcS" |
| 04:55:16 | moot | INIT: Entering runlevel: 2 |
| 04:55:31 | moot | INIT: cannot execute "/etc/init.d/rc" |
| 04:55:38 | Com[Plex | the regular qtopia shell is a cool place to learn how to use linux and stuff. its fun. |
| 04:55:38 | moot | (none) login: root |
| 04:55:44 | dunc1010 | haha, it seems like an exciting world, i'm anxious to learn |
| 04:55:54 | moot | login root login on `tty1' |
| 04:55:57 | Com[Plex | what we are doing, is really some deranged sociopathic attempt at "fun" |
| 04:56:04 | moot | Cannot execute /bin/osh: No such file or directory |
| 04:56:08 | moot | (none) login: # |
| 04:56:09 | moot | wtf? |
| 04:56:14 | dunc1010 | haha |
| 04:56:37 | dunc1010 | what do you primarily use the zaurus for? |
| 04:56:43 | DrBoB | I just keep one in my pocket so the girls will think I jave a large penis...a large rectangular stud-probe...:-) |
| 04:56:46 | moot | everything :P |
| 04:56:54 | EditorGarfield | rofl |
| 04:56:58 | moot | well fuck |
| 04:57:00 | moot | i just screwed oz |
| 04:57:03 | moot | giggles |
| 04:57:04 | dunc1010 | true |
| 04:57:11 | EditorGarfield | The irony of the timing on those two statements..... |
| 04:57:19 | moot | goddamn |
| 04:57:23 | moot | whats the login for oz? |
| 04:57:26 | moot | root right? |
| 04:57:26 | dunc1010 | so...any help on the usb thing? |
| 04:57:27 | EditorGarfield | root |
| 04:57:37 | moot | well |
| 04:57:38 | moot | im fucked. |
| 04:57:43 | moot | goddamn |
| 04:57:45 | moot | i gotta reflash now |
| 04:57:48 | moot | shizzit! |
| 04:58:01 | EditorGarfield | I use the Z mostly for showing off to other geeks and for hoping that the next beta of OZ or the next major overhual from Sharp is fully usable. :-) |
| 04:58:13 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 04:58:19 | moot | jonny |
| 04:58:20 | moot | FUC |
| 04:58:22 | moot | FUCK FUCK FUCK |
| 04:58:23 | Com[Plex | haha |
| 04:58:24 | dunc1010 | you guys are funny |
| 04:58:25 | moot | ok well |
| 04:58:27 | Com[Plex | I just had to hard reset |
| 04:58:28 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 04:58:29 | moot | jonny, i cant flash |
| 04:58:30 | moot | can i? |
| 04:58:32 | moot | i have hsi ton the cf |
| 04:58:33 | moot | in root |
| 04:58:36 | moot | other than the install shit |
| 04:58:47 | EditorGarfield | moot: That's why I don't use the Z for day to day work. my main device is a HE 330 |
| 04:58:50 | dunc1010 | are there any major z software sites? |
| 04:58:58 | moot | killifiz |
| 04:59:11 | dunc1010 | have you found you have to hard reset often? |
| 04:59:16 | moot | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 04:59:16 | dunc1010 | other than that? |
| 04:59:20 | moot | www.myzaurus.com |
| 04:59:24 | moot | not if you dont fuck around with it |
| 04:59:37 | DrBoB | I use the Z on business trips to get email and read slashdot |
| 04:59:39 | dunc1010 | but who doesn;t like to fuck around |
| 04:59:39 | moot | well shit |
| 04:59:44 | moot | well |
| 04:59:48 | moot | i mean as in, installing oz |
| 04:59:50 | moot | :P |
| 04:59:52 | moot | jonny |
| 04:59:59 | moot | can i hard reset with other stuff on my CF |
| 05:00:04 | DrBoB | so I can leave my toshiba libretto at home |
| 05:00:05 | moot | there *may* be more stuff |
| 05:00:11 | moot | im not sure if i put it on sd or cf |
| 05:00:14 | EditorGarfield | moot: Yep. |
| 05:00:25 | dunc1010 | what do you think are must have progs for my new Z? |
| 05:00:27 | moot | ahh ok |
| 05:00:30 | moot | even if they arent subdired? |
| 05:00:32 | moot | oh right |
| 05:00:33 | moot | they must be |
| 05:00:34 | EditorGarfield | As long as the files needed for flashing are on the root of the CF card, you're fine. |
| 05:00:35 | moot | thats by default |
| 05:00:37 | moot | ahh ok |
| 05:00:38 | moot | forgot |
| 05:00:39 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone know the handwriting thing for ESC? |
| 05:00:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 05:00:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to use vim |
| 05:00:44 | moot | they should be on /Documents |
| 05:00:45 | codemnky | su |
| 05:00:49 | codemnky | oops |
| 05:00:53 | roge99_ | lol |
| 05:01:00 | codemnky | :) |
| 05:01:04 | roge99_ | password: |
| 05:01:07 | EditorGarfield | waits for codemnky to type his password. |
| 05:01:08 | codemnky | heh |
| 05:01:15 | moot | welpo |
| 05:01:18 | moot | im flashing now |
| 05:01:18 | codemnky | i'm not that drunk! |
| 05:01:18 | moot | lol |
| 05:01:26 | moot | 2 hours of oz and CRASSSHHHH |
| 05:01:32 | dunc1010 | moot, please help |
| 05:01:36 | moot | please what what?> |
| 05:01:38 | codemnky | you guys have got to see this |
| 05:01:44 | dunc1010 | with the usb thing |
| 05:01:46 | moot | oh right |
| 05:01:50 | moot | goto terminal |
| 05:01:53 | DrBoB | get a CF modem card.... then install Zic, Zradio, etc...and have some online fun |
| 05:02:02 | moot | vi /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:02:07 | dunc1010 | i will. but i need soomehting for now |
| 05:02:23 | moot | http://www.kcomputing.com/kcvi.pdf |
| 05:02:24 | moot | go there |
| 05:02:26 | moot | learn to use vi |
| 05:02:38 | moot | edit nameserver 127.0.0.1 to your primary dns |
| 05:02:53 | moot | then goto winxp on your box |
| 05:02:56 | EditorGarfield | vi bad |
| 05:03:00 | moot | enable sharing on whatever connection youre on |
| 05:03:05 | roge99_ | slaps EditorGarfield |
| 05:03:09 | moot | you bad |
| 05:03:10 | EditorGarfield | emacs bad, too. |
| 05:03:19 | roge99_ | how can you say that ???? |
| 05:03:22 | moot | then set the lan3 ip for the z |
| 05:03:25 | moot | to .200 |
| 05:03:33 | moot | and the z ip to 201 |
| 05:03:38 | moot | cradle it |
| 05:03:39 | EditorGarfield | It only takes 12 characters, including spaces. :-) |
| 05:03:40 | moot | and it should work :/ |
| 05:03:53 | moot | oh fuck |
| 05:03:56 | moot | i reflashed |
| 05:03:57 | moot | i didnt have to |
| 05:04:02 | moot | i just needed to hardreset |
| 05:04:03 | moot | lol |
| 05:04:05 | moot | im out of it ;( |
| 05:04:08 | EditorGarfield | oops |
| 05:04:24 | dunc1010 | hmmm |
| 05:04:27 | EditorGarfield | with OZ, though, and an editable ROM, you might as well reflash. |
| 05:04:34 | moot | yeah |
| 05:04:38 | moot | i didnt install anything tho :/ |
| 05:04:41 | moot | whatever :P |
| 05:04:47 | EditorGarfield | Neither did I, and it still died on me. :-) |
| 05:04:50 | moot | i wont update anything again |
| 05:04:51 | moot | jebus |
| 05:04:55 | moot | wtf i think it was busybox |
| 05:04:59 | moot | i did ipkg, fine |
| 05:04:59 | EditorGarfield | Me too. |
| 05:05:02 | DrBoB | pico is good editor. also mc can be nice |
| 05:05:06 | moot | then i cant TURN THE DAMN THING OFF |
| 05:05:08 | EditorGarfield | likes pico |
| 05:05:08 | codemnky | HEY! |
| 05:05:11 | moot | so i softreset |
| 05:05:13 | codemnky | this is important |
| 05:05:15 | moot | and it bugs up |
| 05:05:18 | EditorGarfield | moot: Do NOT allow oipkg to update busybox. |
| 05:05:21 | codemnky | have you guys heard of IBOT |
| 05:05:23 | moot | yeah i wont again lol |
| 05:05:24 | codemnky | roger? |
| 05:05:28 | roge99_ | what |
| 05:05:30 | EditorGarfield | ipkg upgrade from the command line until it works from there. |
| 05:05:31 | | yes, codemnky? |
| 05:05:31 | codemnky | IBOT |
| 05:05:35 | moot | so i update ipkg |
| 05:05:38 | roge99_ | yea |
| 05:05:39 | roge99_ | so |
| 05:05:41 | moot | then i update oz-base |
| 05:05:42 | codemnky | i finially have captured a picture |
| 05:05:42 | roge99_ | what about ibot |
| 05:05:43 | EditorGarfield | Otherwise, don't touch oipkg until that's done. :-) |
| 05:05:45 | moot | but NOT busy right |
| 05:05:45 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/ibot.jpg |
| 05:05:57 | roge99_ | lol |
| 05:05:59 | moot | amazing. |
| 05:06:00 | moot | hehehe |
| 05:06:06 | EditorGarfield | Somehow it fits |
| 05:06:19 | | codemnky is nothing but a culturally-unsound assload of rank fish heads. |
| 05:06:19 | roge99_ | ibot insult codemnky |
| 05:06:19 | moot | why did busy fubar up :/ |
| 05:06:26 | moot | LMFAO |
| 05:06:26 | roge99_ | :-) |
| 05:06:31 | | You are nothing but a flap-mouthed bag of impure entrails. |
| 05:06:31 | moot | ibot insult moot |
| 05:06:34 | moot | hey :( |
| 05:06:37 | | roge99_ is nothing but a crook-pated coagulation of rump-fed poopy. |
| 05:06:37 | codemnky | ibot insult roge99_ |
| 05:06:40 | | roge99_ is nothing but a plume-plucked bag of warped urine samples. |
| 05:06:40 | EditorGarfield | ibot insult roge99_ |
| 05:06:44 | | Com[Plex is nothing but a jarring petrification of festering bat toenails. |
| 05:06:44 | moot | ibot insult Com[Plex |
| 05:06:47 | | roge99 is probably a knight of NI |
| 05:06:47 | roge99_ | ibot: roge99 |
| 05:06:50 | moot | YES!! |
| 05:06:52 | Com[Plex | ph thats funny :> |
| 05:06:53 | moot | it speaks the truth |
| 05:06:55 | | in no way related to the Cat or President. |
| 05:06:55 | EditorGarfield | ibot larrygarfield |
| 05:06:56 | dunc1010 | how do i get to vi? |
| 05:06:56 | | moot: sorry... |
| 05:06:56 | moot | ibot: moot |
| 05:06:59 | moot | ! |
| 05:07:07 | moot | terminal |
| 05:07:31 | | OK, EditorGarfield. |
| 05:07:31 | EditorGarfield | ibot EditorGarfield is the only major journalist to give the Zaurus the time of day in news coverage. |
| 05:07:31 | moot | good |
| 05:07:33 | moot | oz is back up |
| 05:07:36 | | hmmm... editorgarfield is the only major journalist to give the Zaurus the time of day in news coverage. |
| 05:07:36 | EditorGarfield | ibot editorgarfield |
| 05:07:47 | dunc1010 | thats on killefiz? |
| 05:07:49 | EditorGarfield | is done stroking his ego for tonight. |
| 05:07:59 | DrBoB | oops...you forgot to mention to istall terminal and filemanager from the CD |
| 05:08:05 | codemnky | sugar make codemny a long island |
| 05:08:05 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to codemny. |
| 05:08:06 | DrBoB | install even |
| 05:08:07 | EditorGarfield | wanders off to do other stuff. |
| 05:08:08 | | OK, moot. |
| 05:08:08 | moot | ibot moot is one hell of a dead sexy cow that Com[Plex wants to pork with his load of manbeef |
| 05:08:12 | | you are one hell of a dead sexy cow that Com[Plex wants to pork with his load of manbeef |
| 05:08:12 | moot | ibot moot |
| 05:08:20 | moot | hehe |
| 05:08:28 | EditorGarfield | hmmm |
| 05:08:45 | codemnky | sugar make EditorGarfield a screwdriver |
| 05:08:45 | Sugar | pours vodka and orange juice over ice cubes in a highball glass then stirs well and serves it to EditorGarfield. |
| 05:09:00 | moot | sugar make moot a coke |
| 05:09:01 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands moot. |
| 05:09:06 | moot | yeah baby ;) |
| 05:09:22 | EditorGarfield | Thanks, but I don't drink. :-) |
| 05:09:30 | codemnky | they all say that! |
| 05:09:36 | moot | sugar make moot a manbeef |
| 05:09:41 | moot | gah |
| 05:09:54 | codemnky | what the hell is that |
| 05:10:04 | moot | you dont want to know |
| 05:10:07 | EditorGarfield | I think I need to restart my computer. |
| 05:10:13 | EditorGarfield | Win2k or not, it's still acting funny. |
| 05:10:23 | roge99_ | ewwww windblows |
| 05:10:24 | EditorGarfield | codemnky: Yes, but I really don't. :-) |
| 05:10:28 | EditorGarfield | Drives people around me nuts. |
| 05:10:54 | codemnky | i'm joking |
| 05:11:05 | | codemnky: sorry... |
| 05:11:05 | codemnky | ibot make EditorGarfield b52 |
| 05:11:09 | codemnky | damn |
| 05:12:16 | | codemnky is a linux/perl/apache/mysql junkie or a bitch |
| 05:12:16 | roge99_ | ibot: codemnky |
| 05:12:20 | roge99_ | lol |
| 05:12:33 | codemnky | hehe |
| 05:13:28 | dunc1010 | moot, so what command am i typing into terminal? |
| 05:13:54 | TheMasterMind1 | is there an escape key on the Z? |
| 05:14:09 | DrBoB | *moot spits in a glass and hands it to sugar* |
| 05:14:22 | moot | lol |
| 05:14:32 | moot | yeah |
| 05:14:36 | moot | goto keyboard onscrean |
| 05:14:37 | moot | or jump |
| 05:14:41 | moot | x |
| 05:16:19 | DrBoB | yikes!! way past my bedtime...and I have to work tomorrow too |
| 05:17:16 | dunc1010 | think you could help me out, i an;t no lamer |
| 05:23:13 | roge99_ | is away: zzZZzzz |
| 05:32:42 | NeoTron | ahh, vacation |
| 05:32:50 | NeoTron | a full week of work! |
| 05:34:05 | EditorGarfield | lol |
| 05:34:21 | EditorGarfield | Speaking of which, how is IF coming for the Z? |
| 05:42:40 | moot | oz-base worth updating garfield? |
| 05:42:45 | moot | ipkg, then oz-base |
| 05:42:48 | moot | no more fuckin busybox |
| 05:42:54 | EditorGarfield | Um, only if it says it wants to. |
| 05:44:07 | moot | well theyre there to update :/ |
| 05:52:47 | Com[Plex | VerxHome: there seems to be another profile file |
| 05:52:52 | Com[Plex | one called profile in /etc |
| 05:55:03 | Com[Plex | whats umask 022 ? |
| 05:56:05 | Wembly | moot: herm? |
| 05:56:12 | Wembly | garfield: IF? |
| 05:56:20 | moot | ? |
| 05:56:23 | moot | herm? |
| 05:56:32 | Wembly | garfield: whats IF? |
| 06:02:30 | moot | sugar make moot a coke |
| 06:02:30 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands moot. |
| 06:02:32 | moot | ahhh |
| 06:02:38 | moot | im need soda :( |
| 06:02:45 | moot | grabs Sugar's ass |
| 06:02:47 | moot | secksy |
| 06:12:11 | Com[Plex | anyone here still using the sharp rom? |
| 06:13:37 | KhensU | yup |
| 06:14:02 | Com[Plex | could you do me a favor? I need to know if the ftp app is an actual application, or a shortcut to something else |
| 06:14:10 | Com[Plex | do you have locate? |
| 06:14:12 | Wembly | complex: i find that sad you need to ask that question |
| 06:14:22 | Wembly | complex: ftp app? |
| 06:14:27 | Com[Plex | wembly, I find it sad that you care so much |
| 06:15:05 | Com[Plex | Im asking if its part of the old busybox or not. |
| 06:15:05 | Wembly | complex: its just funny the way you worded it hehe |
| 06:15:14 | Wembly | complex: ahh |
| 06:15:15 | Com[Plex | k. |
| 06:15:25 | Wembly | complex: breakup the sharprom. |
| 06:15:33 | Wembly | complex: and mount it as iirc cramfs |
| 06:15:35 | Com[Plex | should I buy you flowers or get yuo a hanky to dry away yoru sadness? |
| 06:15:57 | Com[Plex | I come in here for help, im trying to learn, I get dissed left and right |
| 06:16:11 | Wembly | complex: i mean the way you asked it is like... 'why would anyone not use the oz rom why would anyone still be useing sharprom' |
| 06:16:23 | Wembly | complex: pfft im not trying to insult you :) |
| 06:16:25 | Com[Plex | ahh.. |
| 06:16:30 | Com[Plex | heh. well. everyone else is.. |
| 06:16:30 | Wembly | complex: i apologize if you took it in that way |
| 06:16:32 | Com[Plex | heheh |
| 06:16:46 | Wembly | im just finding it funny the wording.. |
| 06:17:13 | Com[Plex | hhe. well thats tryue, seems like everyone in here beleivs that the OZ rom is so million times superior. |
| 06:17:22 | Wembly | hehe |
| 06:17:25 | Wembly | what do you believe? |
| 06:17:27 | Com[Plex | I think there are parts of it that are great, and then. well. theres the rest |
| 06:17:42 | moot | whats the mplayer |
| 06:17:45 | Wembly | well i think the oz rom has something right. |
| 06:17:46 | moot | i cant find it on the feed |
| 06:18:07 | Com[Plex | its a very typical system. hehe. unfinished and unstable. but has great potential |
| 06:18:13 | Com[Plex | hang on moot |
| 06:18:14 | Wembly | yea |
| 06:18:15 | Com[Plex | let me look |
| 06:18:24 | moot | my hands are cold :( |
| 06:18:26 | KhensU | Com[Plex: separate |
| 06:18:34 | Com[Plex | cool :> |
| 06:18:34 | moot | hey whats the linux equivilant to a windows batch |
| 06:18:42 | Wembly | moot: a shell script |
| 06:18:47 | Com[Plex | .sh |
| 06:18:55 | moot | route add default gw 192.168.129.200 |
| 06:19:02 | Wembly | urg |
| 06:19:03 | moot | i want that to run everytime i turn it on |
| 06:19:06 | Com[Plex | in fact, doesnt even have to be called .sh, just has to be chmod'd to 755 |
| 06:19:11 | Wembly | moot: herm. |
| 06:19:16 | moot | com |
| 06:19:18 | moot | answer my q in pm |
| 06:19:20 | Com[Plex | right, 755 is right? |
| 06:19:21 | moot | must goto bathroom brb |
| 06:19:42 | Wembly | com: and generally its a good idea to add a #!/bin/sh to the beginning of the file :) |
| 06:19:52 | Wembly | *Shrug as long as you have execute permission set |
| 06:19:57 | Wembly | 755 works. |
| 06:20:16 | Wembly | thus produceing -rwxr-xr-x |
| 06:20:29 | Com[Plex | what does this do? #!/bin/sh |
| 06:20:33 | Wembly | aka read write execute for owner, read execute for group, read execute for everyone |
| 06:20:53 | Wembly | complex: tells something to use that file to execute the rest of the file. |
| 06:21:03 | Wembly | complex: aka if you change it to /usr/bin/perl |
| 06:21:05 | Wembly | it'll use perl |
| 06:21:12 | Wembly | change it to something else and it'll use that. |
| 06:21:55 | Com[Plex | ahhh |
| 06:22:00 | Com[Plex | cool :> |
| 06:22:10 | Wembly | also if you have something that requires bash extentions |
| 06:22:15 | Wembly | youd put bash there. insted of sh |
| 06:22:25 | Com[Plex | saym, why doesnt the mediaplayer icon appear in my apps? - its installed... |
| 06:22:26 | Wembly | basicly it says use this program to run this script |
| 06:22:36 | Wembly | complex: herm dunno |
| 06:23:39 | moot | WTF |
| 06:24:09 | Wembly | moot: you running oz? |
| 06:24:15 | moot | yes |
| 06:24:49 | Wembly | moot: i have a hotplug package that is in umm.. extream alpha that uses ifupdown insted of usbd.func to configure the usbd0 interface |
| 06:25:01 | Com[Plex | we just got it installed today. |
| 06:25:14 | moot | heh im not riskin fuckin that up |
| 06:25:18 | moot | then i cant use teh intarweb |
| 06:25:18 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 06:25:19 | moot | ;) |
| 06:25:22 | Wembly | moot: k yea i was gonna say |
| 06:25:26 | Com[Plex | better make copies and back em up to your pc |
| 06:25:27 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 06:25:52 | Com[Plex | and moo, cant hurt to try it. at this point, your only a couple hours away frmo a flash anyway. may as well get the practivce in :> |
| 06:25:57 | Wembly | its not that the reliablity is a problem its the fact that its not proven or tested at all :) |
| 06:26:08 | Wembly | nah |
| 06:26:10 | moot | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 06:26:15 | Com[Plex | haha |
| 06:26:20 | moot | goddamn |
| 06:26:22 | Wembly | im not gonna give it to em unless h feels very comfortable. |
| 06:26:24 | moot | why cant i dl thru software manager |
| 06:26:33 | Wembly | moot: no default root? |
| 06:26:42 | moot | well |
| 06:26:44 | moot | i click the little box |
| 06:26:47 | moot | see the box with circle |
| 06:26:51 | moot | goto package apply |
| 06:26:54 | moot | and theres none in the install |
| 06:27:02 | Com[Plex | restart ipkg |
| 06:27:11 | moot | i ahve like 20x |
| 06:27:17 | Wembly | moot: click the little box? the little red box |
| 06:27:21 | Wembly | on the package? |
| 06:27:26 | moot | yeah |
| 06:27:28 | moot | i click the little red thing |
| 06:27:30 | Wembly | and the ball pops out? |
| 06:27:31 | Com[Plex | press and hold? select sd? |
| 06:27:31 | fusion94 | is away: sleeping |
| 06:27:34 | moot | it becomes a little red thing with a little blue thing |
| 06:27:41 | Com[Plex | yes. then click package apply |
| 06:27:53 | Com[Plex | dont click the icon. click the word apply |
| 06:28:12 | Wembly | complex: ??/ |
| 06:28:13 | Com[Plex | clicking the icon doesnt seem to work all the time |
| 06:28:33 | Com[Plex | yeah, you know accross the top, clicking the word package, then the word apply. |
| 06:28:41 | Wembly | complex: oohh |
| 06:28:45 | Com[Plex | even tho there is an icon on the top right for that. it doesnt work right |
| 06:28:55 | Wembly | herm works fine for me. |
| 06:28:59 | Com[Plex | "extreme beta" |
| 06:29:01 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 06:29:01 | Wembly | urg! i wanta write a qtopia app! |
| 06:29:04 | Wembly | no |
| 06:29:06 | Wembly | extream alpha |
| 06:29:09 | moot | dude |
| 06:29:10 | Com[Plex | hehehe |
| 06:29:11 | moot | i know com |
| 06:29:15 | Com[Plex | still no? |
| 06:29:20 | moot | theres nothing under To install though |
| 06:29:21 | moot | weird |
| 06:29:32 | Com[Plex | okay moo. you got any mp3s on your z anywhere? |
| 06:29:36 | moot | nope |
| 06:29:46 | Com[Plex | grab one. |
| 06:29:51 | moot | why |
| 06:29:59 | Com[Plex | so you can see it in your docs folder. then click on it, mplayer will load |
| 06:29:59 | moot | i dont wanna! :P |
| 06:30:01 | Wembly | moot: does the name change from 'foo' to 'foo ( on root )' |
| 06:30:08 | Wembly | when you click the little box? |
| 06:30:11 | moot | uhuh |
| 06:30:34 | Wembly | and when you click apply or whatever.. nothing shows up in the todo list? |
| 06:30:37 | Wembly | thats just screwy |
| 06:30:43 | Wembly | has yet to encounter that problem |
| 06:31:33 | moot | jopnny |
| 06:31:35 | moot | i tried a .mpeg movie |
| 06:31:37 | moot | no worky |
| 06:31:40 | moot | i dont hav eit isntalled |
| 06:32:38 | moot | cani try to install to mtdram? |
| 06:32:41 | moot | or no? |
| 06:33:21 | moot | ?/ |
| 06:35:06 | Wembly | moot: what are you trying to install? |
| 06:35:48 | moot | opie mplayer |
| 06:39:25 | Wembly | i-hate-rpm.... |
| 06:39:38 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 06:39:44 | moot | can i? |
| 06:39:47 | moot | install to mtdram? |
| 06:39:50 | Wembly | *will barrow a friends system to hopefully extract this silly rpm* |
| 06:39:55 | Wembly | moot: i dunno |
| 06:40:00 | Wembly | im guessing yes |
| 06:40:31 | moot | STILL DOESNT WORK |
| 06:40:32 | moot | argh! |
| 06:41:16 | moot | i mean i can isntall oz-base |
| 06:41:18 | moot | and busybox |
| 06:41:20 | moot | but not this! |
| 06:42:09 | moot | har it works!!! |
| 06:42:13 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 06:42:15 | moot | i just needed am update |
| 06:42:24 | Wembly | *giggles* |
| 06:42:40 | Com[Plex | anyone notice how some times when OZ crashes on boot, that powering it off doesnt shut the thing off! the reset switch wont even kill it. gotta tkae the abttery out! |
| 06:42:44 | moot | no appropriate decoders!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:42:50 | moot | yeah jonny |
| 06:42:52 | moot | that happened to me :/ |
| 06:42:55 | Wembly | herm. |
| 06:42:58 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 06:43:03 | Wembly | no cant say iv ever had that happen to me. |
| 06:44:14 | Com[Plex | I do say that I like the oz terminal mode. hehe. |
| 06:44:23 | Com[Plex | very small letters, but full color :> |
| 06:44:56 | moot | hey |
| 06:44:59 | moot | i installed konqueror |
| 06:45:03 | moot | why cant i see it? |
| 06:45:10 | Com[Plex | uh.. restart |
| 06:45:12 | Com[Plex | who knows |
| 06:45:22 | Com[Plex | I can see it |
| 06:45:26 | Com[Plex | shit, I can see player now too! |
| 06:45:27 | Wembly | probly cus nothings telling qtopia that there is a new icon |
| 06:45:41 | Wembly | go into terminal if you dont wanta restart |
| 06:45:48 | moot | i still dont see it :( |
| 06:45:52 | moot | er reboot |
| 06:45:56 | moot | or turn off and power back on |
| 06:45:56 | moot | ? |
| 06:45:57 | Com[Plex | see if its installed! lol |
| 06:46:39 | Com[Plex | haha |
| 06:46:42 | Com[Plex | crashed agaiun |
| 06:46:47 | Wembly | and you'll see a pulldown menu with 'ls' in it.. pull it down and scroll down till you see the command 'qcop QPESystem 'linkChanged(QString)' |
| 06:46:52 | Wembly | omg |
| 06:46:55 | Wembly | what did you guys do? |
| 06:47:12 | Com[Plex | lol. just trying to get it installed, using a lot fo things, being impatient. etc |
| 06:47:22 | Com[Plex | what does this command do? qcop QPESystem 'linkChanged(QString)' |
| 06:47:24 | Wembly | what are you trying to install? |
| 06:47:32 | Com[Plex | opiemplayer |
| 06:47:34 | moot | DAMMIT |
| 06:47:36 | moot | i ran that! |
| 06:47:38 | Wembly | complex: tells qtopia that the links have changed and to refresh |
| 06:47:42 | moot | GRRRRRRRR |
| 06:47:42 | Wembly | herm. |
| 06:47:43 | moot | didnt work |
| 06:47:46 | Com[Plex | hmm |
| 06:47:48 | Wembly | dunno |
| 06:47:55 | Wembly | *idly tests his cross compiler setup* |
| 06:49:01 | Com[Plex | theres no way to stop OZ from loading up the GUI on boot is there? besides just terminating oz ? |
| 06:49:28 | moot | wtf |
| 06:49:34 | moot | mplayer doesnt support .avi? |
| 06:49:36 | moot | gah :/ |
| 06:49:59 | moot | qpe-thekompany_1.5.0-13_arm.ipk |
| 06:50:01 | moot | whats that |
| 06:50:04 | moot | qpe-tkcvideo_1.5.0-14_arm.ipk |
| 06:50:12 | moot | i have those two files, do i need the first for tkcvideo? |
| 06:50:33 | XavierXeon | there is a newer verion of tkcvideo |
| 06:50:41 | moot | o |
| 06:50:48 | moot | well asnwer my question ;) |
| 06:50:54 | moot | do i need the first for tkc video? |
| 06:51:07 | XavierXeon | you need both |
| 06:51:10 | moot | k |
| 06:51:48 | XavierXeon | but still you should go to thekompany download page and get the latest tkcvideo (17) version |
| 06:52:14 | moot | is it freE? |
| 06:52:47 | XavierXeon | if you have paid for the original one and you have purchased it from them : yes |
| 06:53:06 | XavierXeon | if you got it from hanango you can download the latest version there |
| 06:53:07 | moot | well that counts me out! |
| 06:54:49 | moot | say whats the image size for the background have to be |
| 06:54:59 | XavX|away | buying food |
| 06:59:46 | Com[Plex | I accidentally hit the @ at the command line. it make the prompt > |
| 06:59:52 | Com[Plex | and I cant get it to do anythign now, |
| 06:59:58 | Com[Plex | what can I do to get back to # |
| 06:59:59 | Com[Plex | ? |
| 07:00:16 | moot | RAWR |
| 07:00:18 | moot | jonny |
| 07:00:21 | moot | konq no worky |
| 07:00:32 | Com[Plex | tell me about it |
| 07:00:41 | moot | does yours work |
| 07:01:04 | moot | well what else can i use |
| 07:01:05 | moot | for web |
| 07:02:19 | moot | damn |
| 07:02:20 | XavX|away | press "ctrl-c" at command line. konq does work for me except that is does not display most downscaled images well. woeks fine on sharp rom thoug |
| 07:02:21 | Com[Plex | yes |
| 07:02:24 | moot | crash + reboot |
| 07:02:34 | XavX|away | now o am really away ! |
| 07:02:34 | moot | well i cant SEE conq |
| 07:03:21 | Com[Plex | tip, when uzing OZ rom. dont insert cards when opening applications . |
| 07:04:00 | Com[Plex | where is the error log located on this rom? |
| 07:04:13 | Com[Plex | I forget.. /var/log/something or other |
| 07:04:20 | moot | jon |
| 07:04:22 | moot | how do i make a .sh |
| 07:04:41 | moot | route add default gw 192.168.129.200 |
| 07:04:48 | moot | i want that to happen everytime i turn on |
| 07:06:45 | Com[Plex | uh.. |
| 07:06:54 | Com[Plex | put it in your /etc/profile |
| 07:07:05 | Com[Plex | just put that line there.. who knows. it might work. |
| 07:07:13 | Com[Plex | I think there is a better palce for it tho |
| 07:07:42 | moot | what? |
| 07:07:45 | moot | what do you mean just that line |
| 07:07:50 | Com[Plex | yeah |
| 07:07:52 | Com[Plex | that means... |
| 07:08:00 | Com[Plex | enter konsole |
| 07:08:09 | Com[Plex | type vi /etc/profile |
| 07:08:54 | Com[Plex | use your arrows to get down to the bottom. above the word umask 022 and hit the letter i |
| 07:09:13 | Com[Plex | then type out route add default gw 192.168.129.200 |
| 07:09:47 | Com[Plex | dontmake any typos :> |
| 07:10:03 | Com[Plex | then hit the cancel button twice. and type :x |
| 07:10:19 | moot | :wq you mean |
| 07:10:27 | Com[Plex | :x writes it |
| 07:10:37 | moot | wq saves and exits |
| 07:10:37 | Com[Plex | and exits |
| 07:10:42 | moot | oic |
| 07:10:49 | Com[Plex | :x is one character less than wq |
| 07:10:55 | moot | whoop |
| 07:10:57 | moot | :) |
| 07:11:01 | moot | done |
| 07:11:07 | Com[Plex | now reboot and see |
| 07:11:58 | moot | nope |
| 07:11:58 | moot | no worky |
| 07:14:46 | moot | GRRRRRRR |
| 07:14:58 | moot | Sorry no appropriate decoders found for this file: bleh bleh tr.mpeg |
| 07:14:59 | moot | wtf? |
| 07:16:32 | Zxcvb | is there any news on the 5600? |
| 07:17:10 | moot | ok, if opiemplayer wont play avi,mpg,mpeg whatever |
| 07:17:14 | moot | what DOES it play :/ |
| 07:18:23 | Com[Plex | man. IM gonna miss having the time in my prompt. hehe |
| 07:18:54 | Speedy2 | re |
| 07:18:57 | Com[Plex | unf |
| 07:19:03 | Speedy2 | A300? |
| 07:19:05 | moot | GRRRRRRRRRR. |
| 07:19:12 | moot | i cant play shit in opiemplayer |
| 07:19:12 | moot | wtfubar |
| 07:19:48 | Com[Plex | im about to try |
| 07:19:51 | Com[Plex | gimem sec |
| 07:20:28 | Speedy2 | Anyone have a Palm ROM of PalmOS ver < 3.52 ? |
| 07:20:52 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 07:20:58 | Com[Plex | nope |
| 07:21:02 | Com[Plex | doesnt work for me either nmoot |
| 07:21:14 | Com[Plex | gonna try uninstalling and reinstalling |
| 07:21:15 | moot | fuckin retarded |
| 07:21:17 | moot | lmfao ;) |
| 07:22:18 | Com[Plex | heheehe |
| 07:23:11 | moot | im reinstalling |
| 07:23:21 | moot | all done! |
| 07:23:51 | Com[Plex | working? |
| 07:24:27 | moot | 1337 |
| 07:24:28 | moot | no. |
| 07:24:46 | moot | konq = noo t:( |
| 07:24:55 | moot | no too* |
| 07:24:57 | Zxcvb | is the zaurus 5500 still a good buy? |
| 07:25:02 | Zxcvb | or should I wait for the 5600 |
| 07:25:03 | moot | of course not |
| 07:25:07 | moot | get a palm 5 |
| 07:25:11 | moot | r33t |
| 07:25:22 | Zxcvb | the xscale is fully backwards compatible with the strongarm CPU, but I'm not sure about forwards compatability |
| 07:25:34 | Zxcvb | that is, the 5600 will run 5500 software just fine |
| 07:26:17 | moot | jonny |
| 07:26:20 | moot | konq work for you? |
| 07:26:26 | Com[Plex | yep |
| 07:26:38 | Com[Plex | so far |
| 07:26:38 | Zxcvb | I am just wondering if I get a 5500, will I have to dump it for a 5600 as the 5500 will not be supported by much free software |
| 07:26:52 | Com[Plex | uh.. no. |
| 07:26:55 | Com[Plex | I use a 5000d |
| 07:26:58 | moot | wtf you smokin |
| 07:27:00 | moot | :P |
| 07:27:02 | Com[Plex | and theres shitlaods of software out there |
| 07:27:11 | Com[Plex | most of it sucks, but at least you get to play around |
| 07:27:15 | Speedy2 | The Xscale SUX |
| 07:27:25 | Speedy2 | Performance is UTTER crap due to serious CPU bugs |
| 07:27:26 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 07:27:39 | Com[Plex | I hear its just a little lackluster |
| 07:27:39 | moot | ive heard its nothing special :/ |
| 07:27:43 | Speedy2 | It's shit |
| 07:27:56 | Speedy2 | You can read the errata if you want more info. |
| 07:27:57 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: will a strongarm CPU run all xscale code? |
| 07:28:19 | moot | jon |
| 07:28:21 | Speedy2 | It has to be re-compiled |
| 07:28:21 | moot | howd you dl konq |
| 07:28:36 | Speedy2 | XScale can run ARM V4 code and ARM V5 code. StrongARM is ARM V4 |
| 07:28:46 | Speedy2 | But there is nothing that a re-compile won't "fix" |
| 07:28:52 | moot | wtf konqueror_snapshot? |
| 07:29:02 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: how likely is it that Z software will still support the 5500 after the 5600/A300 is released? |
| 07:29:13 | Speedy2 | WTF is the A300? |
| 07:29:27 | | a300 is, like, the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale |
| 07:29:27 | XavierXeon | ibot a300 |
| 07:29:32 | Speedy2 | I suspect support will be great since the 5600 won't make any mondo changes (from a programmer's standpoint) |
| 07:29:37 | Com[Plex | Zxcvb: do you know what your asking? |
| 07:29:53 | Com[Plex | z software is a Bunch of stuff, not a company or orginization. |
| 07:30:03 | moot | lol @ a300 |
| 07:30:05 | moot | :P |
| 07:30:17 | Com[Plex | all the software is written for LInux. under Qt. it wil run on older zs as well as new zs |
| 07:30:34 | Com[Plex | sides that, the source codes available for all of it.' |
| 07:30:41 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: except the stuff in the Z rom |
| 07:30:45 | Com[Plex | all you would have to do is compile it for the z. or get it from someone else |
| 07:30:56 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: such as opera and the mobile office |
| 07:31:03 | moot | wha? |
| 07:31:56 | Com[Plex | what about em? |
| 07:31:56 | XavierXeon | hey is there someone porting koffice ? (just a joke) |
| 07:32:02 | Com[Plex | you want em? Ill send em to ya |
| 07:32:32 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: nah, they are useless without a Z |
| 07:32:46 | Com[Plex | hehe, they are useless WIth the Z :> |
| 07:32:54 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: they are that bad? |
| 07:33:07 | Com[Plex | no, not really, there are "better" aps available |
| 07:33:17 | Com[Plex | its a matter of preference. |
| 07:33:32 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: ah |
| 07:33:42 | Zxcvb | Com[Plex: can the propriatery Z apps run on the openzaurus rom? |
| 07:33:44 | Com[Plex | I like a different editor from hancoms. but the hancom apps are free anwyay. - well. HCMO is anyway |
| 07:34:00 | Com[Plex | regular zaurus apps run under OZ. yes. |
| 07:34:01 | XavierXeon | i have not found any other "word" apps. not that i use hancomword anyway |
| 07:34:14 | Com[Plex | but if your gonna run OZ you may as well use the OZ apps. |
| 07:34:25 | moot | what the fuck |
| 07:34:26 | Com[Plex | cept fi yuo wanna ftp. in that case you gotta use the old one. lol |
| 07:34:28 | moot | back crc errors |
| 07:34:30 | moot | GRRRRRRRRR |
| 07:34:35 | moot | gay knoq |
| 07:34:38 | moot | konq* |
| 07:34:48 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 07:34:51 | Com[Plex | locked up again. |
| 07:34:57 | Com[Plex | the OZ rom isbnt very stable |
| 07:34:58 | moot | hell yeah |
| 07:35:02 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 07:35:03 | moot | yes i can see that :P |
| 07:35:12 | Com[Plex | gotta admit tho, its fun :> |
| 07:35:17 | moot | know what REALLY sucks |
| 07:35:23 | moot | i gotta trype on screen route add default gw 192.168.129.200 |
| 07:35:25 | moot | everytime i reboot |
| 07:35:33 | Speedy2 | Reboot PC or Z? |
| 07:35:39 | moot | z |
| 07:35:41 | Speedy2 | Maybe add it to a shell script or something |
| 07:35:48 | moot | trie |
| 07:35:48 | moot | d |
| 07:35:49 | Zxcvb | is konq working well? |
| 07:35:51 | moot | no worky |
| 07:35:52 | moot | NO |
| 07:35:54 | Speedy2 | That's what you get for running a desktop OS (if you can call it that) on a PDA |
| 07:35:57 | XavierXeon | moot: put it in a script that gets executed on boot |
| 07:35:58 | moot | i cant get it to run at all |
| 07:36:00 | moot | this is oz tho |
| 07:36:03 | Speedy2 | Need to edit a config file |
| 07:36:07 | moot | i put in in /profile |
| 07:36:12 | Speedy2 | Because if you do it in a shell, it might last just for that shell session |
| 07:36:44 | moot | where do i put it? |
| 07:37:10 | Speedy2 | thinks |
| 07:37:17 | moot | whats the background pic size |
| 07:37:18 | moot | for os |
| 07:37:19 | moot | oz* |
| 07:37:22 | moot | i wanna make my own |
| 07:37:23 | XavierXeon | is rc.local executed before or after network setup ? |
| 07:37:44 | XavierXeon | 320x240 |
| 07:37:47 | Bala | should be after i think |
| 07:37:56 | Com[Plex | speedy, the OZ rom is not a desktop os. its made specifically for the PDA, by a guy in this channel |
| 07:39:39 | moot | grrrr |
| 07:39:42 | Com[Plex | hahaha |
| 07:39:43 | moot | that didnt work |
| 07:39:45 | Com[Plex | another hard reset |
| 07:39:47 | Com[Plex | hahahah |
| 07:39:52 | Com[Plex | I hiope this isnt bad for my flash :> |
| 07:40:01 | moot | GRRRRRRRR |
| 07:40:09 | Com[Plex | hugls moo |
| 07:40:20 | Com[Plex | moot. let me think.. |
| 07:40:28 | Speedy2 | Com[Plex: Kergoth is a friend of mine, I know all about what he's working on and it still uses a Linux kernel. |
| 07:40:44 | Com[Plex | well in that case, I take it back. |
| 07:40:46 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 07:41:06 | Com[Plex | I assumed you were just a regular joe poppin in to dis the z :> |
| 07:41:07 | Speedy2 | No |
| 07:41:11 | Speedy2 | I'm here very frequently. |
| 07:41:23 | Com[Plex | "? |
| 07:41:25 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 07:41:37 | Com[Plex | moot.. you fiddle with this yet? /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf |
| 07:41:42 | moot | hrm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:41:49 | moot | someone send me a working background img :P |
| 07:41:50 | XavierXeon | Speedy2 is the guy who overclocks his toaster and tells everyone what arm is :) |
| 07:41:51 | moot | mine no worky |
| 07:42:04 | Com[Plex | hahaha |
| 07:42:04 | Speedy2 | <----- firmly against overclocking |
| 07:42:05 | moot | giggles |
| 07:42:10 | Com[Plex | I killed it this timeI think |
| 07:42:10 | moot | lmfao ocing a toaster |
| 07:42:23 | moot | complex <------- firmly about overclocking |
| 07:42:25 | Com[Plex | gotta reflash :> |
| 07:42:32 | moot | haha moron :) |
| 07:42:37 | Com[Plex | 4OverClock/12WaterCool Project: 12(1-AMD , 1666MHz, 256KB) From: 1667mhz 12(XP2000+) 3CPU: (107F)3 MB: (109F) 3Core: (1.70v) 3IO: (3.23v) 12Uptime:(1day 7hrs 30mins 31secs) |
| 07:42:44 | XavierXeon | moot: look at http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon under the oz section for a bg pic |
| 07:42:47 | Com[Plex | jhahah |
| 07:42:50 | Com[Plex | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 07:42:53 | Com[Plex | this is my z |
| 07:43:05 | moot | wlel |
| 07:43:06 | moot | kinda |
| 07:43:10 | moot | hes fuckin dropped it so many times |
| 07:43:12 | moot | :) |
| 07:43:24 | Com[Plex | nah |
| 07:43:31 | Com[Plex | juist carry it in my backpack |
| 07:43:37 | Com[Plex | kesy and shit scratched it up :< |
| 07:43:42 | Com[Plex | keys |
| 07:45:13 | Com[Plex | reflashing :> |
| 07:46:32 | Com[Plex | say uh. wich one of these three files is the really risky one? ie, zImage or initrd.bin? - im betting is the zImage. - is there a way I can just flash one of these? to ditch the changes without risking making a brick out of my z |
| 07:46:57 | Speedy2 | Noop |
| 07:47:26 | XavierXeon | Com[Plex: you can flash initrd.bin and zImage seperatly, but both need the bootflag.txt |
| 07:47:51 | Com[Plex | excellent |
| 07:50:00 | moot | GRRR GAY |
| 07:50:02 | moot | i fucked up my firewall |
| 07:50:07 | Com[Plex | haha |
| 07:50:07 | moot | now i cant use fxp |
| 07:50:10 | moot | goddammit |
| 07:50:12 | Com[Plex | fix it |
| 07:50:19 | moot | i dont know wtf i did |
| 07:50:25 | Com[Plex | didnt you take notes?? |
| 07:50:31 | moot | no its my MAIN box |
| 07:50:33 | moot | which is a problem |
| 07:50:50 | Com[Plex | this ash shell doesnt let yuo put a date and time in the PS1 |
| 07:51:01 | moot | ahah |
| 07:51:01 | moot | fixed |
| 07:51:53 | moot | lmfao |
| 07:52:05 | moot | ch the changes without risking making a brick out of my z |
| 07:52:07 | moot | doh |
| 07:52:18 | moot | http://www.256k.net/moo/oh_hell_no.jpg |
| 07:53:27 | moot | i cant stop giggling :) |
| 07:53:42 | mooot | edoh |
| 07:53:45 | mooot | doh |
| 07:54:10 | Com[Plex | hehehe |
| 07:54:29 | moot | hey for the background img |
| 07:54:34 | moot | does it need to be somewhere special |
| 07:54:40 | moot | OH HELL NO! |
| 07:55:01 | Com[Plex | no idea |
| 07:55:02 | moot | thats the funniest face ive seen you make :P |
| 07:55:13 | moot | hey you have the lock and load shirt on too |
| 07:55:14 | moot | :/ |
| 07:56:15 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 07:56:18 | XavX|away | reading a book |
| 08:07:05 | Com[Plex | hey XavX|away |
| 08:09:41 | Com[Plex | your iconedit program looks great, on your web site you say it only installs to ram, - well you know, when you build your ipkg file, yuo need to put those files in /home/QtPalmtop, not /opt/QtPalmtop - that way the sharp rom will know where to put it, in ram it will go to "/home/" wich it knows is /opt, or on the SD card, here it uses /mnt/card as home.. basically, .home is a variable that the ipkg prgram uses to place it.. |
| 08:21:36 | moot | grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 08:21:54 | moot | i need to watch movies on z |
| 08:21:58 | moot | opie mplayer = no no |
| 08:26:08 | Com[Plex | moot = porn feind |
| 08:26:29 | moot | haha |
| 08:26:32 | moot | yes :( |
| 08:26:39 | moot | wtf |
| 08:26:45 | moot | tkcvideo = BLEH |
| 08:26:51 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 08:26:51 | moot | why cant i fuckin see it when i install |
| 08:26:56 | Com[Plex | ? |
| 08:27:01 | Com[Plex | tkcplayer? |
| 08:27:06 | moot | no |
| 08:27:06 | Com[Plex | do you have that? |
| 08:27:07 | moot | video |
| 08:27:13 | moot | qpe-thekompany_1.5.0-13_arm.ipk |
| 08:27:17 | moot | qpe-tkcvideo_1.5.0-14_arm.ipk |
| 08:39:52 | Com[Plex | well I have player, and IM about to try installing it. shoudl be the same proccess, thekompany first, then the other apps. |
| 08:40:37 | Com[Plex | the thekompany file should create a new tab, and install the libs. but, it didnt. |
| 08:40:47 | Com[Plex | looked like it webnt in okay, but theres no tab |
| 08:40:56 | Com[Plex | Im gonna try the player now to see |
| 08:42:27 | Com[Plex | there it is. its working for me. having an app in there created the icon |
| 08:44:44 | Bala | http://www.geocities.com/rrusaw74/snapshot4.png .. woohoo.. got my ordered and unordered lists working tonight :) |
| 08:59:34 | Com[Plex | haha |
| 09:00:06 | Com[Plex | the tkc player cant even play 64kb mp3s |
| 09:00:18 | Com[Plex | it plays then, but at 4 tmes the speed they are supposed to run at. lol |
| 09:01:39 | moot | <Mikkel> If you went camping and you got REALLY drunk with your friend and you |
| 09:01:39 | moot | woke up the next morning with a condom stuck up your ass would you tell anybody? |
| 09:01:39 | moot | <Celestya> i dont think so |
| 09:01:40 | moot | <Mikkel> Wanna go camping? |
| 09:01:42 | moot | shoot |
| 09:01:43 | moot | wrong channel |
| 09:02:05 | moot | nice jonny :P |
| 09:02:28 | moot | hrm |
| 09:02:31 | moot | maybe ill hardreset ;( |
| 09:02:43 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 09:03:05 | Com[Plex | back up that file there |
| 09:03:11 | moot | what file |
| 09:03:19 | moot | i just started a flash |
| 09:03:19 | Com[Plex | /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf copy it somewhere |
| 09:03:24 | moot | doh |
| 09:03:26 | moot | :/ |
| 09:03:47 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 09:09:23 | Wembly | herm... |
| 09:09:30 | Wembly | slightly perplexing... |
| 09:13:50 | Com[Plex | nuked it again |
| 09:13:57 | Com[Plex | fuckin thing keeps hanging when installing apps |
| 09:14:02 | Com[Plex | like, I isntall three apps and it hangs |
| 09:14:10 | Com[Plex | three or four at best. |
| 09:14:29 | Com[Plex | and when it hangs, I got a 50./50 chance it will fuck something up good |
| 09:14:35 | Wembly | ?? |
| 09:14:40 | Com[Plex | translation, I ahve to reflash - again - |
| 09:14:44 | Com[Plex | OZ |
| 09:14:51 | Wembly | complex: gezz and i thought i was the one that always found the problems in everything. |
| 09:14:51 | Com[Plex | is still desperately beta |
| 09:14:55 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 09:15:14 | moot | i just finished my 3rd flash |
| 09:15:15 | moot | today. |
| 09:15:16 | Wembly | i mean i generaly find stuff that people go.. 'geee. thats something no one's ever run into before...' |
| 09:15:22 | Wembly | odd |
| 09:15:34 | Wembly | *hasnt had to reflash ever* |
| 09:15:52 | Com[Plex | the irony is, that everyone claims that windows apps are pretty, btu lack functionality and stability. im beginning to wonder if bill gates himself wrote this. lol |
| 09:16:25 | Wembly | oipkg is known to need some work. and is getting just that |
| 09:16:49 | Com[Plex | coo coo |
| 09:17:01 | Wembly | its just at that point where its usable but needs users to work out the bugs |
| 09:17:08 | Com[Plex | its really nice looking. has great potential. and kergoth can code thats for sure. |
| 09:17:28 | Com[Plex | its just not ready :> |
| 09:17:56 | Wembly | oipkg isnt writtin by kergoth :P |
| 09:18:01 | Com[Plex | when yuo installed all the applications. did yuo do it from the net? |
| 09:18:05 | Wembly | or atleast i dont think it is. |
| 09:18:09 | Wembly | its writtin by opie peoples. |
| 09:18:15 | Com[Plex | hmm |
| 09:18:25 | Wembly | i flashed my zaurus then setup the network stuffs |
| 09:18:33 | Wembly | then went to software in the tab and selected what i wanted. |
| 09:18:45 | Com[Plex | all at once? or a few at a time? |
| 09:18:52 | Com[Plex | I dont even know what ones I need |
| 09:18:55 | Wembly | few at a time |
| 09:19:00 | Com[Plex | - where did you send them to/ |
| 09:19:01 | Com[Plex | ? |
| 09:19:11 | Wembly | depends on what they were :) |
| 09:19:26 | Com[Plex | wich ones do I need most? |
| 09:19:56 | Wembly | the ones you need should already be on the initrd.bin that you flashed. |
| 09:20:10 | Wembly | but i guess it depends on how you define 'need' |
| 09:20:15 | Com[Plex | hmm.. |
| 09:20:17 | Com[Plex | okay.. |
| 09:20:26 | Com[Plex | what about these "task" apps? |
| 09:20:32 | Com[Plex | they dont seem to work very well |
| 09:21:14 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 09:21:28 | Wembly | no clue |
| 09:22:19 | moot | hey jonny |
| 09:22:24 | moot | when i update ipkg |
| 09:22:28 | moot | do i check all 4 bottem boxes |
| 09:22:28 | moot | ? |
| 09:23:07 | imm | hi |
| 09:23:34 | Wembly | what are you guys installing/playing wif anyhow? |
| 09:23:50 | moot | im updating ipkg |
| 09:23:51 | moot | for OZ |
| 09:24:00 | moot | should i check the bottem 4 boxes? |
| 09:24:53 | imm | im just checking my mailbox |
| 09:25:21 | Wembly | i generally dont check the bottom for boxes unless it says it cant do something |
| 09:25:43 | Wembly | those boxes are for the 'damned the torpedos full speed ahead' operations :) |
| 09:26:17 | moot | well |
| 09:26:19 | moot | yes or no |
| 09:26:25 | moot | time is running out |
| 09:27:05 | Wembly | moot: herm? |
| 09:27:13 | moot | im updating ipkg thru the updater |
| 09:27:20 | moot | should i check those boxes, yes or no |
| 09:27:25 | Wembly | no |
| 09:27:30 | Wembly | if it dosnt work then yes |
| 09:27:34 | moot | should i restart after this? |
| 09:28:21 | Wembly | herm. |
| 09:28:27 | Wembly | restart opie but no need to reboot the system |
| 09:28:31 | Wembly | but id say no |
| 09:28:36 | Wembly | no need to restart |
| 09:28:41 | moot | i meant that |
| 09:28:50 | Wembly | reboot or restart opie? |
| 09:29:02 | moot | restart opie |
| 09:29:27 | moot | no harm done, ill just do it :P |
| 10:03:25 | Com[Plex | hahah. I made my opikg program install almost every one of the packages at once. - its still chugging away, but it doesnt look healthy. it looks like the console is open behind it, waiting for me to log in as root, but the fragment of window is left over from the installer app. still chuggin away |
| 10:03:37 | Com[Plex | oh, its done now. lots of eerrors. lets see what it does |
| 10:04:20 | Com[Plex | wooo |
| 10:06:22 | Com[Plex | doesnt like to reboot with a nic in there |
| 10:06:57 | Com[Plex | unknown processor type. |
| 10:07:01 | Com[Plex | fucking wonderful |
| 10:07:11 | Com[Plex | how am I supposed to get passed this? |
| 10:07:15 | Wembly | herm? |
| 10:16:59 | Wembly | i have no clue what the problem is hehe |
| 10:17:04 | Wembly | im battleing toolchains atm |
| 10:48:19 | VeNoM | Wow... |
| 10:48:24 | VeNoM | so many ppl :) Hy all |
| 10:49:10 | VeNoM | but nobody alive ;) |
| 10:49:43 | imm | hi |
| 10:49:57 | mark | hi imm |
| 10:50:28 | VeNoM | Hy all |
| 10:50:52 | VeNoM | does anybody of you play "strategic assault"? |
| 10:51:05 | mark | VeNoM: i've got a copy, yeah |
| 10:51:11 | | strategic assault is http://eongames.com/games/sa/ |
| 10:51:11 | imm | ibot strategic assault |
| 10:51:17 | VeNoM | do you have a code for it ;) |
| 10:51:57 | mark | VeNoM: yes, I do, i payed for it |
| 10:52:27 | VeNoM | do you not think its a bit too much? (20$) |
| 10:52:35 | mark | its come down |
| 10:52:40 | VeNoM | really? |
| 10:52:42 | VeNoM | lemme see |
| 10:52:53 | VeNoM | oh cool |
| 10:52:58 | VeNoM | 6.99 is okay :) |
| 10:53:34 | mark | i payed 20 for it, a week later it was down :) |
| 10:54:00 | VeNoM | that´s pretty uncool :) |
| 10:54:52 | imm | looks nice |
| 11:00:00 | VeNoM | Is there any 3D game for the zaurus (except DOOM)? |
| 11:01:02 | Wembly | quake? |
| 11:01:27 | VeNoM | cool |
| 11:01:32 | VeNoM | where to get it? |
| 11:03:50 | VeNoM | damn... 8.6MB... |
| 11:04:44 | VeNoM | bbl |
| 11:11:10 | XavierXeon | needs breakfast |
| 11:13:19 | mark | is listening to /boot/bzImage |
| 11:13:43 | mickeyl | XavierXeon: did you take a look into the wirelessapplet yet? |
| 11:14:46 | XavierXeon | mickeyl: not yet. my sd card died, so i am using oz atm. (writable rom=more space) |
| 11:15:12 | mickeyl | XavierXeon: ok. why did your card die ? what brand? |
| 11:16:12 | XavierXeon | its an older lexar 64Mb mmc. about every 2 days it insists that dirs are only files |
| 11:20:50 | ljp | _listening_ to /boot/bzImage ? |
| 11:23:20 | mark | ljp: cat /boot/bzImage > /dev/dsp :) |
| 11:23:28 | ljp | ouch |
| 11:26:10 | prpplague | mark: interesting |
| 11:29:18 | ljp | does it sound like metallica? |
| 11:39:04 | mickeyl | ljp: more like rammstein :)) |
| 11:52:49 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin everyone |
| 11:56:37 | XavierXeon | hi Cloudchaser |
| 11:56:50 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing? |
| 11:57:24 | XavierXeon | still waiting for my new sd card to arrive |
| 11:57:47 | Cloudchaser | ah what size did you get |
| 11:58:03 | XavierXeon | also o am still very tired. beer and golf dont go very well together :) |
| 11:58:14 | XavierXeon | 128 MB lexar |
| 11:59:15 | Cloudchaser | nice |
| 11:59:45 | Cloudchaser | my z reports the used space/free space of my sd card wrong |
| 11:59:56 | ljp | I thought golf was just for driving around in little carts and drinking beer? |
| 12:00:16 | Cloudchaser | i'm reading a hilarious post about tech support on zaurus zone |
| 12:00:44 | XavierXeon | ljp: no you have to get out of the cart sometime in an attempt to destroy the lawn :) |
| 12:01:55 | XavierXeon | Cloudchaser: the "sharp is leaving pda biz" one ? |
| 12:01:56 | ljp | hehe |
| 12:02:00 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 12:02:15 | ljp | I worked at a golf course for about three seasons |
| 12:02:15 | mickeyl | F.U.D |
| 12:03:19 | XavierXeon | ljp: nice. i was so pissed i couldnt hit the ball :) anyway it was a buissness trip so my boss paid. |
| 12:03:30 | ljp | carts are most fun on the hills, in the early morning, when the grass is wet. |
| 12:03:39 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 12:03:52 | ljp | wwwwwweeeeeeeee! |
| 12:18:45 | Cloudchaser | wow check this out: |
| 12:18:48 | Cloudchaser | http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/article.cfm?a_id=4065 |
| 12:22:09 | tux_mike | hrm... methanol |
| 12:22:34 | imm | i have a bottle of it right behind me :) |
| 12:23:54 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 12:24:14 | ljp | I think you are thinking of methane, not methanol |
| 12:24:39 | tux_mike | would rather have the fuel cell operate on ethanol |
| 12:24:46 | Cloudchaser | A few teaspoons of methanol can cause blindness and a few tablespoons can be fatal, if the exposure is not treated. |
| 12:24:49 | imm | contains 78% methanol, it reads |
| 12:24:50 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 12:24:51 | tux_mike | one for you, one for me. one for you, one for me :) |
| 12:25:14 | Cloudchaser | what is it for imm? |
| 12:25:26 | imm | for modelplanes |
| 12:25:28 | TheMasterMind1 | someone loan me $5.18 so i can buy my Z stuff |
| 12:25:32 | Cloudchaser | ah right |
| 12:25:35 | Cloudchaser | just read that |
| 12:25:38 | chouimat | hi imm |
| 12:25:41 | tux_mike | ah, that stuff |
| 12:25:43 | Cloudchaser | Methanol is used in a number of consumer products, including paint strippers, duplicator fluid, model airplane fuel, and dry gas. Most windshield washer fluids are 50 percent methanol. |
| 12:25:45 | imm | chhi |
| 12:26:18 | imm | chouimat: hi, i meant |
| 12:26:25 | chouimat | imm :) |
| 12:26:57 | mark | and in white spirit :) |
| 12:27:40 | Cloudchaser | white spirit? |
| 12:27:47 | tux_mike | never drink methanol. it's 5x more toxic, and 5x less intoxicating |
| 12:28:27 | imm | chouimat: sent in ? |
| 12:28:32 | tux_mike | and it kills nerves for your vision |
| 12:28:55 | chouimat | imm: no I gave up last night :( |
| 12:29:00 | Cloudchaser | he meant that you drink it?? methanol is poisonous! |
| 12:29:34 | chouimat | tux_mike: and taste like shit :) |
| 12:29:43 | imm | chouimat: hey, send it in, they will take it on monday too |
| 12:29:56 | Cloudchaser | maybe he's thinking of grain alcohol |
| 12:29:59 | chouimat | imm: it don't work at all |
| 12:30:04 | Cloudchaser | methanol is wood alcohol |
| 12:30:13 | mark | Cloudchaser: ethanol with methanol added to make it undrinkable |
| 12:30:45 | imm | chouimat: then make it look like it works :) |
| 12:30:56 | Cloudchaser | is confused.. |
| 12:31:16 | Cloudchaser | needs more caffiene to wake up |
| 12:31:36 | chouimat | imm: I wil think about it... probably later today must go in about 2 hours |
| 12:33:27 | tux_mike | damn instability of my dsl |
| 12:34:30 | chouimat | chouimat: some apps where harder than others to make :) |
| 12:34:50 | chouimat | imm: I mean |
| 12:34:55 | imm | chouimat: you still can buy a Z. i think a 5500 is much better than just a 5000 |
| 12:35:14 | chouimat | imm: maybe one day |
| 12:36:52 | chouimat | imm: just another think I can do to the end :( |
| 12:36:59 | imm | chouimat: i hope to get one, a Z costs an arm and a leg here in Switzerland |
| 12:37:29 | chouimat | imm: not even on the market here |
| 12:38:07 | imm | chouimat: no stere here to, but at least a price tag on theire website |
| 12:38:19 | imm | s/stere/store/ |
| 12:38:24 | chouimat | imm: how much? |
| 12:38:36 | imm | chouimat: around $650 |
| 12:38:54 | chouimat | imm: in US$? |
| 12:38:59 | XavierXeon | same in germany |
| 12:39:03 | imm | chouimat: 1100SFr |
| 12:40:43 | chouimat | imm: that 1100 $CAN |
| 12:42:05 | imm | chouimat: i think thats a bit too much for a handheld |
| 12:42:17 | imm | chouimat: at least i cant afford it |
| 12:43:09 | TheMasterMind1 | you can buy one from buy.com, they ship worldwide if you buy $500 worth or more |
| 12:43:09 | chouimat | imm: If they go on the same level than the ipaq that will be around 899-999 $ |
| 12:44:11 | imm | TheMasterMind1: and if i get a brick i have to send it back |
| 12:44:38 | chouimat | imm: I'm checking on ebay |
| 12:44:40 | TheMasterMind1 | imm: that's true, but the chances of that are pretty slim. i got a nice one :0D |
| 12:44:50 | imm | TheMasterMind1: i buy T-Shirts at thinkgeek but no pda's |
| 12:46:19 | imm | TheMasterMind1: i like to buy such stuff around the corner, i cant even sue them if they send me a brick |
| 12:46:44 | TheMasterMind1 | you can return it |
| 12:46:52 | TheMasterMind1 | they're very good about replacement etc |
| 12:48:11 | Junxster | mornin |
| 12:48:33 | imm | hi |
| 12:48:55 | Junxster | pretty dead? |
| 12:50:00 | ljp | dead? no Saturday |
| 13:04:13 | | i guess challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 13:04:13 | imm | ibot challenge |
| 13:05:53 | | de rien imm |
| 13:05:53 | imm | ibot thanks |
| 13:42:16 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 13:42:18 | VerxHome | are you there? |
| 13:42:22 | VerxHome | kergoth: ping |
| 13:48:04 | Cloudchaser | hiya VerxHome |
| 13:48:09 | VerxHome | howdy |
| 13:51:39 | tux_mike | gah |
| 13:51:46 | tux_mike | time to add oddles of debug messages |
| 13:52:51 | VeNoM | rehy |
| 13:53:26 | Cloudchaser | what are you working on tux_mike? |
| 13:53:42 | tux_mike | my bejeweled-like game |
| 13:53:55 | Cloudchaser | how's it coming along? |
| 13:53:59 | VerxHome | tux_mike: That should sell very well methinks |
| 13:54:09 | VerxHome | my wife should be a beta tester of yours |
| 13:54:18 | tux_mike | VerxHome: especially at the $4 price point i'm setting it at :) |
| 13:54:21 | VerxHome | she plays bejeweled roughly 80% of her waking hours |
| 13:54:36 | tux_mike | Cloudchaser: slowly and painfully |
| 13:54:52 | Cloudchaser | aww..:( |
| 13:55:15 | VeNoM | is searching for a strategic_assault key :) maybe anyone got one? |
| 13:55:30 | Cloudchaser | handango.com |
| 13:55:35 | Cloudchaser | you can buy the key there |
| 13:55:46 | tux_mike | i'm going through and adding debug messages to every blit i do |
| 13:55:48 | VeNoM | I´ve no credit card :( |
| 13:55:52 | tux_mike | venom: go register it |
| 13:55:56 | tux_mike | iesh |
| 13:56:10 | tux_mike | support the developers, for crying out loud |
| 13:56:40 | VeNoM | How can I buy it without a credit card? |
| 13:57:07 | VerxHome | venom, are you frigging serious? |
| 13:57:09 | tux_mike | get a debit card from a bank, ask a friend who has one, its not impossible |
| 13:57:11 | VerxHome | god |
| 13:57:20 | VerxHome | someone with fucking ops kick/ban his ass |
| 13:57:20 | Cloudchaser | ask your mama to buy it for you? |
| 13:57:50 | VeNoM | Noone who I know owns a credit card... its not usual here... |
| 13:58:22 | tux_mike | well, perhaps you should go and get one, or a debit card |
| 13:58:34 | tux_mike | it's kinda the way the world is going |
| 13:58:36 | VerxHome | VeNoM: So snail mail the author some cash, and he will send you the game |
| 13:58:39 | VeNoM | debit card?! |
| 13:58:42 | Cloudchaser | doesn't handango do pay pal? |
| 13:58:46 | VerxHome | I am sure you can work something out |
| 13:59:03 | tux_mike | yah, setup a checking account at a bank, get a debit card that's tied to the accound. that's what i have |
| 14:00:05 | Cloudchaser | hiya hunger_ |
| 14:01:14 | mark | tux_mike: me too |
| 14:01:14 | mark | VeNoM: where abouts are you? |
| 14:01:26 | nasa | Has anyone had problems install apps with the newest sharp rom? For some reason I can't install bustem, opie-kpacman, sword-kjv-w-strongs, etc |
| 14:01:46 | Cloudchaser | nasa: i never used the newest sharp rom |
| 14:01:51 | mark | VeNoM: and the author of that software is op here you know |
| 14:01:55 | nasa | They all installed before... |
| 14:02:07 | nasa | oh wait, that was with oz.... |
| 14:02:33 | VeNoM | thats good... then I can ask him how to pay... |
| 14:02:42 | Cloudchaser | newest sharp rom breaks wireless synch stuff so i never installed it |
| 14:03:02 | mark | VeNoM: what country are you in? |
| 14:03:29 | nasa | and more importantly how old are you? |
| 14:03:43 | VeNoM | germany/19 u? ;P |
| 14:04:07 | nasa | Old enough to have more debit than I should |
| 14:04:22 | mark | VeNoM: you are saying a 19 year old in germany can't get a debit card? come off it... |
| 14:04:24 | VeNoM | The most important reason why I bought the zaurus instead of a ipaq or something is that (what I thought) all software would be free... |
| 14:04:27 | W|GGL|T | then its prolly good he doesn't have a credit card |
| 14:04:44 | Cloudchaser | open source doesn't always mean free does it? |
| 14:04:47 | W|GGL|T | no |
| 14:04:48 | VeNoM | I thought wrong :) |
| 14:05:02 | VeNoM | I can´t get the source too... |
| 14:05:03 | mark | Cloudchaser: far from it |
| 14:05:07 | Cloudchaser | VeNoM do you work? |
| 14:05:12 | VeNoM | yes i do. |
| 14:05:18 | Cloudchaser | do you work for free? |
| 14:05:21 | VeNoM | sure |
| 14:05:29 | VeNoM | what do you think :) |
| 14:05:44 | tux_mike | venom: you can't get everything for free. iesh. there's got to be monetary interest for most people to do write a high quailty program |
| 14:06:02 | VeNoM | u think? |
| 14:06:10 | VeNoM | I don´t... |
| 14:06:33 | VeNoM | sure the pricy is low... but I can´t pay without a credit card... |
| 14:06:42 | VerxHome | VeNoM: Where are the high quality free programs you are writing? |
| 14:06:46 | VeNoM | and I´m not going to get one for a game :) |
| 14:06:47 | VerxHome | I want to download them for free |
| 14:07:09 | tux_mike | then you are short-sighted. people need money to eat, to buy their computer equipment, etc. some people do make their living by doing this stuff |
| 14:07:11 | VeNoM | I´m not writing programs |
| 14:07:12 | mark | VeNoM: your loss. |
| 14:07:35 | tux_mike | venom: so you're a leech? |
| 14:07:35 | VerxHome | VeNoM: Oh, so everyone else is supposed to write YOU the free, high quality programs |
| 14:07:37 | VerxHome | I get it now |
| 14:07:45 | VeNoM | thats a stupid discussion, because you don´t understand me... |
| 14:07:59 | tux_mike | well, you want everything for free |
| 14:08:07 | VerxHome | what's to understand? |
| 14:08:09 | VerxHome | anyway |
| 14:08:13 | VeNoM | no... I don´t want to get a credit card... |
| 14:08:14 | VerxHome | I gotta mow the lawn |
| 14:08:18 | VerxHome | and sweat my arse off |
| 14:08:19 | VeNoM | I want to pay it on another way |
| 14:08:25 | VerxHome | wish someone would do it for me for free. . . |
| 14:08:26 | tux_mike | and why not? |
| 14:08:34 | tux_mike | then get a debit card. |
| 14:08:40 | tux_mike | it takes out of your checking account |
| 14:08:41 | mark | VeNoM: send him a check then |
| 14:08:46 | tux_mike | no credit |
| 14:08:47 | VeNoM | wtf is a debit card... |
| 14:08:55 | VeNoM | w8... |
| 14:08:55 | tux_mike | it works like a check |
| 14:09:02 | tux_mike | but is tied to a cc number |
| 14:09:05 | kergoth | VeNoM: 1) all software will not be free, people need food. 2) you can buy Neo's products on his site using paypay with your checking account. 3) you can get a debit card, which functions like a credit card but pulls money from your checking account. |
| 14:09:13 | kergoth | s/paypay/paypal/ |
| 14:09:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:09:19 | kergoth | morning all |
| 14:09:22 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
| 14:09:24 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin kergoth! |
| 14:09:24 | mickeyl|coding | morning kergoth |
| 14:09:30 | mark | morning kergoth |
| 14:09:31 | VerxHome | kergoth: If you get a chance |
| 14:09:37 | Cloudchaser | sugar make kergoth a coffee |
| 14:09:37 | VerxHome | please read my email I just sent ya |
| 14:09:38 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 14:09:42 | roge99_ | sup kergoth |
| 14:09:45 | VerxHome | I think you will find it interesting |
| 14:09:51 | kergoth | man i must've been tired last night, fell asleep in my clothes on the couch with no blankets |
| 14:09:53 | VerxHome | though I cannot figure out how to fix it. :( |
| 14:09:56 | kergoth | VerxHome: k |
| 14:10:05 | mark | kergoth: heeh |
| 14:10:07 | tux_mike | kergoth: lol |
| 14:10:18 | imm | suagar i take also one |
| 14:10:26 | Cloudchaser | sugar make imm a coffee |
| 14:10:27 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to imm. |
| 14:10:47 | imm | sugar: thanks |
| 14:10:50 | Sugar | Imm: You're welcome! |
| 14:10:52 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 14:11:00 | djk-hw | tux_mike: you have a software site? Where is it? (re: thread with VerXHome) |
| 14:11:14 | tux_mike | djk-hw: no, i don't have one yet |
| 14:11:28 | tux_mike | my program will be avalable from handago when it's complete |
| 14:11:33 | Cloudchaser | hey did anyone try out mfighter yet? |
| 14:11:40 | kergoth | VerxHome: what is using the cpu? a large percentage of the cpu should always be used by the kapm-idled .. but yeah, a number of people have reported this problem, no one has been able to isolate it |
| 14:12:00 | | imm: i'm not following you... |
| 14:12:00 | imm | ibot mfighter |
| 14:12:06 | mark | tux_mike: I forgot, what are you writing? |
| 14:12:12 | tux_mike | bejeweled clone |
| 14:12:13 | mark | Cloudchaser: not yet, looks cool thoug |
| 14:12:16 | kergoth | okay so who's gonna port CompactBSD (mini openbsd) to the Z? :-) |
| 14:12:21 | Cloudchaser | VerxHome i have seen the problem also high application cpu usage |
| 14:12:24 | mark | oh yeh |
| 14:12:26 | Cloudchaser | i have to reboot to clear it |
| 14:12:30 | VerxHome | kergoth: I haven |
| 14:12:36 | Cloudchaser | mark: i'm downloading it now to try it |
| 14:12:38 | VerxHome | 't been able to find a "top" program that will run on my Z |
| 14:12:43 | VeNoM | PS: strategic assault is not program... its portet... |
| 14:12:47 | nasa | kergoth: so have you looked into the problem I had reported earlier? I would love to return to OZ... |
| 14:12:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: yeah, common request.. thanks for the reminder. cloud's been telling me to get a new top for a while now |
| 14:13:01 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 14:13:06 | mark | VeNoM: yes, its also a ppc prog |
| 14:13:07 | kergoth | nasa: never been able to reproduce it.. |
| 14:13:08 | Cloudchaser | hehe not telling.. asking! |
| 14:13:20 | VerxHome | kergoth: Well, I -*WANTED*- to give you more info |
| 14:13:23 | kergoth | yeah yeah, whatever ;-) |
| 14:13:25 | VerxHome | but without top, it is kindof hard |
| 14:13:33 | Cloudchaser | nasa what is the issue you're having? |
| 14:13:34 | kergoth | VerxHome: i'll bulid a new top in a few |
| 14:13:37 | VerxHome | ok |
| 14:13:41 | mark | VerxHome: is there not a top on ipkgfind? |
| 14:13:42 | VerxHome | I gotta mow my back yard |
| 14:13:46 | VerxHome | prolly be an hour or more |
| 14:13:49 | VerxHome | mark: Yes, there is |
| 14:13:51 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: every app he ran would get stuck in an uninterruptable state, couldnt even kill it, had to reboot |
| 14:13:51 | VerxHome | one from neo |
| 14:13:52 | Cloudchaser | mark: it doesn't work |
| 14:13:56 | VerxHome | it segfaults when I run it |
| 14:14:02 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: ack |
| 14:14:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: the top from familiar segfaults? |
| 14:14:09 | mark | ah okay |
| 14:14:10 | kergoth | VerxHome: familiar uses libncurses5 as well.. |
| 14:14:14 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 14:14:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: i *know* the one on the SF project will segfault |
| 14:14:22 | Cloudchaser | i haven't tried that one kergoth |
| 14:14:23 | roge99_ | kergoth: I have had that problem ... |
| 14:14:29 | VerxHome | kergoth: I had that happen once |
| 14:14:31 | mark | thats odd, i was running that top on my ipaq |
| 14:14:31 | VerxHome | was horrid |
| 14:14:39 | VerxHome | (the not being able to kill oz apps) |
| 14:14:41 | | familiar is a Linux distribution for handhelds, at http://familiar.handhelds.org or God in the palm of my hand |
| 14:14:41 | Cloudchaser | ibot familiar |
| 14:14:41 | VerxHome | I had to reboot too |
| 14:14:44 | nasa | Cloudchaser: I would install a certain number of apps and then the Z would become unusable as processes would die with 'D' ID's |
| 14:14:45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:14:52 | VerxHome | mark: Yes, I ran it on my ipaq as well |
| 14:14:52 | djk-hw | I was trying the Game Boy emulator does the sound not work well on it? |
| 14:14:53 | kergoth | i've never seen an app hang in that state before on my Z |
| 14:14:56 | kergoth | weird |
| 14:15:08 | mark | djk-hw: indeed, it doesnt |
| 14:15:09 | kergoth | i wonder what causes that |
| 14:15:22 | roge99_ | idunno but a reflash fixes it |
| 14:15:36 | VerxHome | ok, well, 1.5 hours of sweat for me |
| 14:15:38 | roge99_ | i have also had problems w/ sd not responding |
| 14:15:38 | VerxHome | see y'all in a bit |
| 14:15:44 | Cloudchaser | bye VerxHome |
| 14:15:50 | mark | c ya VerxHome |
| 14:15:53 | kergoth | roge99_: well, not much i can do about that one. having no source... heh |
| 14:15:54 | djk-hw | mark: do bad it can't be turned to make it more effecient |
| 14:15:59 | roge99_ | VerxHome buy a goat ! |
| 14:16:12 | roge99_ | kergoth: I know |
| 14:16:17 | kergoth | is glad he bought a townhouse, no lawn mowing |
| 14:16:18 | mark | djk-hw: I'm pretty sure it can be (compile time) |
| 14:16:46 | roge99_ | just re-seeded his front lawn .... more mowing for me |
| 14:17:00 | Cloudchaser | has a husband to mow the lawn |
| 14:17:01 | nasa | damn, I have to do that today (mow the lawn) |
| 14:17:11 | nasa | I am the husband... |
| 14:17:12 | mark | is too young to worry about silly things like lawnmowing |
| 14:17:21 | kergoth | mark: enjoy it while you can |
| 14:17:23 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 14:17:38 | roge99_ | lol |
| 14:17:43 | djk-hw | mark: oh that would mean I have to get my act together and set up a developer environmet ;-) |
| 14:17:53 | kergoth | shoots the procps buildsystem, then kicks it for good measure. give me top damn you! |
| 14:17:54 | chouimat | is in an appartement downtown Quebec City so no lawn :) |
| 14:18:54 | djk-hw | cloudchase and nasa: i beat you guys are in the same room too but chat together online ;-) |
| 14:19:01 | mark | djk-hw: hehe |
| 14:19:01 | mark | god, mozilla takes an age to compile |
| 14:19:12 | nasa | lol |
| 14:19:20 | Cloudchaser | nasa is a husband but not my husband |
| 14:19:40 | djk-hw | Cloudchaser: Ah |
| 14:20:11 | djk-hw | Cloudchaser: is husband techie or avoid this stuff? |
| 14:20:26 | djk-hw | mark: somebody doing a mozilla port? |
| 14:20:34 | Cloudchaser | he isn't techie, although he's learned to fix his own pc |
| 14:21:09 | Cloudchaser | does familiar have a download area? |
| 14:21:19 | Cloudchaser | i don't see one from the site i'm at |
| 14:21:23 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/ |
| 14:21:30 | mark | djk-hw: god no :) |
| 14:21:35 | Cloudchaser | ah ok thats for familiar? |
| 14:22:11 | Cloudchaser | oh kergoth i think thats the top i tried |
| 14:22:39 | Cloudchaser | yeah it is |
| 14:22:47 | nasa | brb -- got to go to the post office. |
| 14:22:51 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thats neo's |
| 14:22:58 | Cloudchaser | thats the one i tried |
| 14:23:00 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ipkgfind hit neo's site, its not the familiar one |
| 14:23:07 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 14:23:25 | Cloudchaser | thats how i got there :) |
| 14:23:36 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: you'd have to install procps, but it'll try to overwrite other apps, not just top, but other proc utilities that busybox provides |
| 14:23:55 | Cloudchaser | hmm.. not sure i want to try that |
| 14:23:58 | djk-hw | Cloudchaser: does he have a Z or any PDA? |
| 14:24:02 | Cloudchaser | the familiar one does that? |
| 14:24:18 | Cloudchaser | my husband? heck no |
| 14:25:03 | djk-hw | Cloudchaser: oh, no interest at all huh, can't understand your addiction ;-) |
| 14:25:08 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: i'll wait for yours then, since if i mess something up i'd just be whining to you to help fix it |
| 14:25:15 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: hehe. k |
| 14:25:31 | Cloudchaser | djk no but he doesn't mind it |
| 14:26:00 | Cloudchaser | he works nights and me doing geek things is harmless enough |
| 14:26:02 | Cloudchaser | expensive maybe |
| 14:26:07 | Cloudchaser | but harmless enough |
| 14:26:32 | Cloudchaser | plus my geek job pays pretty well :) |
| 14:27:02 | Cloudchaser | so i can always say i need my techie toys for work :) |
| 14:27:18 | djk-hw | Cloudchaser: darn geek hobbies are expensive the down side |
| 14:27:23 | Cloudchaser | oh yeah |
| 14:27:34 | Cloudchaser | a very expensive addiction |
| 14:27:41 | kergoth | aha |
| 14:27:43 | Cloudchaser | but not as damaging as say, drinking |
| 14:27:44 | kergoth | # Special for kill, we need it in /bin |
| 14:27:46 | kergoth | # BEWARE THE DUMB MAKEFILE!! |
| 14:27:48 | whardier | hi fowlks |
| 14:27:53 | whardier | kergoth: do you sleep? |
| 14:27:54 | kergoth | BEWARE THE DUMB MAKEFILE!! |
| 14:28:05 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin whardier! whatch doing up so early? |
| 14:28:19 | whardier | Cloudchaser: I had a cat on my face |
| 14:28:27 | Cloudchaser | coughs |
| 14:28:43 | Cloudchaser | that musta been a nice awakening |
| 14:29:00 | djk-hw | hairball yuck |
| 14:29:03 | whardier | it waz fuzzy |
| 14:29:19 | Cloudchaser | my cat was waiting outside my bedroom door for food |
| 14:29:23 | Cloudchaser | i almost stepped on her |
| 14:29:25 | chouimat | whardier: which end of the cat? |
| 14:29:30 | Cloudchaser | she's such a piggy |
| 14:29:31 | whardier | the belly end |
| 14:29:46 | whardier | heh |
| 14:29:51 | whardier | you should see my cat |
| 14:30:04 | whardier | I had some chips on the table next to my couch where I fell asleep |
| 14:30:06 | whardier | anyways |
| 14:30:10 | whardier | we were out of food for the cats |
| 14:30:16 | whardier | he knows that is food |
| 14:30:24 | whardier | so every time I turned my back to him |
| 14:30:31 | whardier | he would pop up on the table and attack the bag |
| 14:30:34 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 14:30:40 | whardier | I finally got up and scopped him some more food |
| 14:30:47 | chouimat | whardier: mine always lick me when he wants me to wake up. but when I sleep I always got his rear end :( |
| 14:30:56 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 14:31:22 | Cloudchaser | my cat comes onto the bed and attacks my feet every time i move |
| 14:31:30 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: and he attack every date I bring back home :( |
| 14:31:36 | whardier | anyways.. if you wanna modify scap: here is a one liner MODEL='Zaurus-SL5000D'; |
| 14:31:49 | Cloudchaser | i think i move too much for her to get a good nights sleep on my bed |
| 14:31:51 | whardier | that apparently makes it scap right side up |
| 14:32:13 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: ack! that must make for an interesting date |
| 14:32:19 | whardier | anyways |
| 14:32:22 | whardier | X works nice on the z |
| 14:32:26 | whardier | except for no input |
| 14:32:28 | whardier | and no resume :) |
| 14:32:29 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19468.png |
| 14:32:39 | kergoth | whardier: pester prpplague and mdz |
| 14:32:47 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: hehe. the one he would not attack. I marry her :) |
| 14:32:47 | whardier | I have mdz's stuff |
| 14:32:55 | whardier | I got forwarded it from somebody else |
| 14:32:56 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: lol |
| 14:33:03 | whardier | prpplauge is in the bahamas |
| 14:33:39 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:33:49 | whardier | * ztstransd - Convert Zaurus touchscreen events into iPAQ touchscreen |
| 14:33:49 | whardier | * events |
| 14:33:52 | kergoth | having fun with ibm terminals or something |
| 14:33:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:33:54 | whardier | I have this to compile |
| 14:34:03 | whardier | when I talked to him |
| 14:34:06 | kergoth | whardier: we should just fix the damn touchscreen device, eh? |
| 14:34:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:34:09 | whardier | he had been up since 6:00 their time |
| 14:34:22 | whardier | working on an IBM pos as he put it |
| 14:34:38 | whardier | anyways I have this little daemon |
| 14:34:48 | whardier | btw.. is there a newer dev-build.sh |
| 14:34:57 | kergoth | on my box, yeah |
| 14:34:58 | whardier | I can't build OZ |
| 14:35:05 | kergoth | I followed someones suggestion |
| 14:35:10 | whardier | I need to start going thru the familiar diffs and adding shit |
| 14:35:13 | kergoth | so now i just type crossdev or opiedev at the prompt |
| 14:35:25 | kergoth | and it calls functions i threw in my ~/bashrc |
| 14:35:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:35:30 | kergoth | s/bash/.bash/ |
| 14:35:36 | whardier | zsh! |
| 14:35:53 | whardier | [-(Sat 2002-08-24 9:41:28)-(~/)-]> (hardwire @ BastarD) |
| 14:35:59 | whardier | thats just a neat prompt |
| 14:36:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:36:31 | kergoth | mine's simpler |
| 14:36:38 | kergoth | i like things simple |
| 14:36:38 | whardier | but less green! |
| 14:36:43 | whardier | I like green |
| 14:36:49 | kergoth | yeah, mine's more a turquoise |
| 14:36:51 | whardier | lets off a fume of green gas |
| 14:36:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:37:10 | kergoth | function crossdev () { |
| 14:37:12 | kergoth | if [ -z "$CROSS" ] |
| 14:37:14 | kergoth | then |
| 14:37:17 | kergoth | PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin |
| 14:37:19 | kergoth | CROSS=yes |
| 14:37:21 | kergoth | export CROSS |
| 14:37:21 | kergoth | fi |
| 14:37:24 | kergoth | } |
| 14:37:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:37:37 | whardier | wtf? |
| 14:37:40 | whardier | heh |
| 14:37:54 | kergoth | thats all you need to build OZ, just have the crosscompiling shit in your path |
| 14:37:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:38:00 | whardier | hmm |
| 14:38:05 | whardier | wonders how to do that in zsh |
| 14:38:07 | whardier | pastes |
| 14:38:46 | whardier | hey |
| 14:38:50 | whardier | that worked |
| 14:38:50 | whardier | spiff |
| 14:38:51 | imm | kergoth: is there a arm version of intels c++ compiler ? |
| 14:38:51 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: i reallly like that clipboard on the bottom bar in oz |
| 14:38:58 | kergoth | imm: not to my knowleldge |
| 14:39:00 | Cloudchaser | i use that quite a bit |
| 14:39:16 | imm | kergoth: would be nice |
| 14:39:22 | whardier | kergoth: did you build your own toolchain? |
| 14:39:39 | kergoth | whardier: nah i'm still using erikm's 2.95.3 toolchain from ftp.armlinux.org |
| 14:39:46 | whardier | who? |
| 14:39:49 | kergoth | whardier: but ill need to build a gcc 3.2 toolchain soon for testing |
| 14:39:53 | whardier | is still using the Embedix shit! |
| 14:40:10 | chouimat|Away | bbl |
| 14:40:14 | whardier | the embedix stuff will still work right? |
| 14:40:18 | kergoth | whardier: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ .. Developer section.. scroll down to Toolchains. click on the link that says "Courtesy of erik moau" or som ehsit |
| 14:40:20 | Cloudchaser | that mfighter wouldn't install to sd card |
| 14:40:27 | kergoth | embedix toolchain shoudl work |
| 14:40:36 | Cloudchaser | but now it shows as installed |
| 14:41:04 | whardier | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ <- your instructions are broken |
| 14:41:09 | whardier | Cloudchaser mfighter is.. lame |
| 14:41:10 | whardier | heh |
| 14:41:29 | kergoth | whardier: ? |
| 14:41:47 | whardier | clicks on developer |
| 14:41:52 | Cloudchaser | well it wouldn't uninstall right either |
| 14:41:54 | whardier | missed that part |
| 14:41:54 | Cloudchaser | bleh |
| 14:41:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:42:33 | whardier | hmm |
| 14:42:35 | whardier | still not there |
| 14:42:36 | whardier | damnit |
| 14:42:44 | kergoth | yeah it is |
| 14:42:48 | kergoth | Toolchains |
| 14:42:51 | kergoth | cmon man |
| 14:43:00 | whardier | is trying! |
| 14:43:14 | whardier | Do I have to Log IN? |
| 14:43:20 | kergoth | no |
| 14:43:34 | kergoth | its past ARM Kernel ,and past Booting .. scroll down |
| 14:43:35 | whardier | the only thing I see for Toolchains is under documentation under developer |
| 14:43:48 | whardier | oh |
| 14:43:49 | whardier | heh |
| 14:43:50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:43:52 | kergoth | click it |
| 14:43:55 | whardier | goes into the Tool Chain docs |
| 14:43:56 | whardier | and sees it |
| 14:43:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:44:10 | tux_mike | hrm... one bug down, fifty more to go |
| 14:44:13 | kergoth | forgot toolchains were a seperate page, ah wel |
| 14:44:20 | whardier | oh fuck I have to compile it! |
| 14:44:26 | kergoth | no |
| 14:44:27 | kergoth | you dont |
| 14:44:33 | Cloudchaser | whardier why is mfighter lame? |
| 14:44:33 | whardier | oh fuck your right! |
| 14:44:35 | kergoth | get the 2.95.3.tar.bz2 or whatever |
| 14:44:42 | whardier | Cloudchaser: did you make it? |
| 14:44:44 | whardier | hehe |
| 14:44:44 | kergoth | cd /usr/local; mkdir arm; cd arm; tar jxvf ~/2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 14:44:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:45:59 | whardier | heh |
| 14:46:03 | whardier | all that is there is source |
| 14:46:18 | whardier | oh |
| 14:46:18 | whardier | heh |
| 14:46:24 | whardier | cross-2.95.3.tar.gz |
| 14:47:28 | whardier | I am sucha weeny |
| 14:48:04 | whardier | happy saturday |
| 14:48:20 | whardier | hpp |
| 14:48:28 | whardier | tries to figure out the mystery of the funky fingernail |
| 14:48:36 | whardier | I think a cat ate my doritos |
| 14:48:40 | whardier | then ligked my thumbnail |
| 14:48:43 | whardier | licked |
| 14:48:49 | whardier | that would explain the cheese |
| 14:48:54 | whardier | maybe |
| 14:48:57 | whardier | wtf |
| 14:49:16 | prpplague | whardier: whats that about x on z? |
| 14:49:25 | whardier | are you home! |
| 14:50:05 | whardier | prpplague: I have ztstransd |
| 14:50:08 | whardier | have yet to compile it |
| 14:50:19 | whardier | dunno what version it is |
| 14:50:20 | whardier | heh |
| 14:50:24 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 14:50:28 | whardier | it dies when I suspend it |
| 14:51:28 | whardier | dies like it overwrites the On/Off button with something else |
| 14:52:40 | whardier | anyhoot.. there is way too much ipaq proprietary stuff in familiar (go.fig) |
| 14:52:55 | whardier | need to rewrite the menus and stuff |
| 14:53:09 | whardier | kergoth: touchscreen dimmer not working? |
| 14:54:44 | whardier | is the hip hop phenominal |
| 14:55:02 | nasa | Anyone like ktove? |
| 14:55:16 | fusion94 | HH ? |
| 14:55:45 | nasa | Call me stupid, but what is HH? |
| 14:56:49 | whardier | hip hop :) |
| 14:57:02 | nasa | ah.... Should have know that.... |
| 14:59:09 | BigBoss | hey |
| 14:59:18 | roge99_ | hey BB how goes it |
| 14:59:53 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 15:00:06 | whardier | whats the down low with the "Big B"? |
| 15:00:10 | BigBoss | getting ready for a camping trip |
| 15:00:11 | Cloudchaser | well while mfighter says its not installed and has a big x through it in package manger |
| 15:00:17 | Cloudchaser | it is playable |
| 15:00:27 | Cloudchaser | but very slow/sluggish |
| 15:00:32 | s0Gr8 | re |
| 15:00:36 | Cloudchaser | heya BigBoss |
| 15:00:48 | BigBoss | what's up CC? |
| 15:00:57 | whardier | pet names |
| 15:00:59 | whardier | dies of giggles |
| 15:01:11 | Cloudchaser | not too much.. going to go get some plywood today and start on holiday displays? |
| 15:01:17 | Cloudchaser | er |
| 15:01:21 | Cloudchaser | i am, that's not a question |
| 15:01:35 | whardier | beyond all contestation |
| 15:01:37 | whardier | you are |
| 15:02:07 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:02:10 | BigBoss | anyone suggest some movies new to DVD other than LotR |
| 15:02:11 | BigBoss | ? |
| 15:02:13 | whardier | /opt and /usr/X11R6 are on my MMC card |
| 15:02:16 | Cloudchaser | yep goingto make a train display |
| 15:02:17 | BigBoss | that is a question :) |
| 15:02:21 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 15:02:49 | s0Gr8 | îï ðóññêè êòî ãîâîðèò? |
| 15:02:49 | roge99_ | DVD movies .. for a camping trip ???? |
| 15:02:56 | br33zy | 14p-a-15p-r-0p-u-15s-h14-r |
| 15:02:56 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 15:02:56 | Cloudchaser | well yeah |
| 15:02:57 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 15:02:58 | br33zy | I'm 14l15-315-314-t0, I moo, and I'm 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 15:03:02 | imm | s0Gr8: no |
| 15:03:02 | Cloudchaser | he'll have his z afterall |
| 15:03:02 | br33zy | whoops |
| 15:03:10 | Cloudchaser | and br33zyis that really necesssary? |
| 15:03:14 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:03:22 | whardier | if I had a really really high power projector |
| 15:03:29 | whardier | and a camping trip |
| 15:03:32 | whardier | and a cloudy sky |
| 15:03:40 | oGMo | heh |
| 15:03:42 | whardier | I would play buckaroo banzai for the world |
| 15:04:02 | BigBoss | no, I just need to fill my netflix queue |
| 15:04:10 | whardier | is all into that now |
| 15:04:15 | BigBoss | but my tiBook plays DVD's for us when we camp as well :) |
| 15:04:20 | whardier | netflix is so cool |
| 15:04:31 | BigBoss | I've been on it for 3 years now |
| 15:04:33 | whardier | I am a day ahead their delivery target I think |
| 15:04:38 | whardier | I always get movies a day ahead |
| 15:04:51 | whardier | and when I send them back they go back by the next day and new things get shipped out that day |
| 15:04:55 | whardier | which I so don't understand |
| 15:05:25 | whardier | netflix must have a temporal modifeir |
| 15:05:27 | whardier | netflix must have a temporal modifier |
| 15:06:35 | BigBoss | I can't believe how fast they are now |
| 15:06:37 | BigBoss | it's amazing |
| 15:06:45 | whardier | all I know is |
| 15:06:51 | whardier | they have farscape first season |
| 15:06:58 | whardier | and that basically fills my queue for now |
| 15:07:22 | BigBoss | i was watching farscape from episode 1 as it was, so I don't really need to revisit it |
| 15:07:35 | whardier | I need to snag |
| 15:07:36 | whardier | watch |
| 15:07:37 | whardier | record |
| 15:07:38 | whardier | share |
| 15:07:46 | whardier | it is my lot in life |
| 15:08:09 | whardier | looks at all the warnings in all of sharps driver code as it compiles |
| 15:08:10 | whardier | Wow |
| 15:08:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:08:16 | whardier | somebody cared a lot |
| 15:08:18 | kergoth | fun eh |
| 15:08:30 | whardier | even just unused variables |
| 15:08:31 | whardier | wtF! |
| 15:08:40 | whardier | punches scanline in the gut |
| 15:08:44 | whardier | you ready for some sushi! |
| 15:09:04 | Cloudchaser | hey you guys use netflix...you like it? |
| 15:09:09 | whardier | jesus its scary to watch this compile |
| 15:09:17 | whardier | I am on the edge of my fucking seat here |
| 15:09:38 | whardier | oh |
| 15:09:41 | whardier | fuck you kergoth! |
| 15:09:46 | whardier | I thought something was nasty! |
| 15:09:48 | scanline | keels over a bit, and wonders why his university network connection is acting so weird |
| 15:09:49 | s0Gr8 | ïðèâåò áóðæóÿì |
| 15:09:54 | whardier | you removed compile messages! |
| 15:10:01 | whardier | all I see is the warnings! |
| 15:10:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:10:07 | kergoth | yup |
| 15:10:10 | s0Gr8 | áëà áëà áëà |
| 15:10:13 | whardier | that makes so much more sense! |
| 15:10:18 | whardier | that.. doesn't |
| 15:10:19 | kergoth | MAKEFLAGS=-s in include.mk |
| 15:10:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:10:30 | whardier | s0Gr8: shoo |
| 15:10:41 | whardier | nobody speaks your crazy moon language here |
| 15:10:54 | kergoth | fuck |
| 15:11:00 | kergoth | this procps.mk is so damn ugly |
| 15:11:31 | whardier | has yet to actually see a 3c589 |
| 15:11:36 | whardier | I feel so wrong |
| 15:12:23 | whardier | I feel that way in public a lot too. |
| 15:12:31 | whardier | Anyjew! |
| 15:12:45 | fusion94 | hey now |
| 15:12:50 | | joke is probably A priest and a rabbi are walking down the road and they see a little boy. The priest leans into the rabbi and whispers "You wanna screw him?". The rabbi responds "Out of what?". |
| 15:12:50 | fusion94 | ibot: joke ? |
| 15:12:51 | whardier | Heh.. |
| 15:13:29 | whardier | watches an emma squeeze thru a not so shut door |
| 15:13:49 | kergoth | *what the fuck*! |
| 15:13:54 | whardier | scoop of kitten anyone? |
| 15:13:56 | kergoth | it refuses to build procps ipks |
| 15:14:02 | whardier | scoops up a kitten |
| 15:14:04 | kergoth | it runs the stagingcmds then quits |
| 15:14:07 | kergoth | wtf |
| 15:14:11 | scanline | DAMN..... my gigabit link decided to die again and I had an NFS mount on it |
| 15:14:13 | scanline | grumbles |
| 15:14:19 | whardier | kergoth: am I gonna experience this? |
| 15:14:27 | whardier | scanline: how was the move ? |
| 15:14:28 | kergoth | whardier: no, procps isnt in cvs yet |
| 15:14:34 | kergoth | whardier: i'm just adding it cause some people want 'top' |
| 15:14:38 | scanline | whardier: pretty easy, I traveled light |
| 15:14:41 | whardier | top is for pussies |
| 15:14:49 | whardier | grep /proc/???? |
| 15:14:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:15:09 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:15:11 | whardier | hey |
| 15:15:12 | whardier | is happy |
| 15:15:32 | whardier | I set up a 500meg cache limit per file on my transparent squid passthru I have at home |
| 15:15:41 | whardier | all of this downloading will not expire for quite some time |
| 15:15:53 | whardier | I will be able to grab glibc-2.2.4.tar.gz again really fast |
| 15:16:01 | whardier | and I should most definatly be using ccache |
| 15:16:06 | whardier | oh well |
| 15:16:32 | whardier | hmm.. my kitty is having fun being a super spy.. she keeps jumping in and out of the narrow crack in the door |
| 15:16:48 | whardier | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 15:16:57 | fusion94 | hmm....cats are only good if microwaved for at least 40 minutes |
| 15:17:00 | whardier | *** building glibc. Please change the environment variable |
| 15:17:00 | whardier | *** and run configure again. |
| 15:17:00 | whardier | Makeconfig:84: arm/config.make: No such file or directory |
| 15:17:01 | whardier | Makerules:686: no file name for `include' |
| 15:17:01 | whardier | The GNU C library has not been configured. |
| 15:17:01 | whardier | Run `configure' to configure it before building. |
| 15:17:03 | whardier | Try `configure --help' for more details. |
| 15:17:05 | whardier | make[4]: *** [arm/config.status] Error 1 |
| 15:17:06 | kergoth | damnit /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 15:17:13 | whardier | /bin/sh: cd: arm: No such file or directory |
| 15:17:14 | whardier | NOOO! |
| 15:17:39 | kergoth | whardier: um, you had env variables set while you were building.. i dont remember which ones it doesnt like though |
| 15:17:54 | whardier | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/hardwire/inst/nebula/bin/linux: |
| 15:17:58 | whardier | heh |
| 15:18:02 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:18:04 | kergoth | that |
| 15:18:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:18:19 | whardier | that worked |
| 15:18:48 | scanline | heh... the environment vars for qtopiadesktop screw it up too |
| 15:18:50 | whardier | this world is so sexy |
| 15:18:57 | prpplague | whardier: no i'm not home yet |
| 15:19:16 | whardier | are you atleast rolling around in fat hunnies? |
| 15:19:28 | whardier | got that all the time while he was on site in Hawaii |
| 15:21:56 | kergoth | unexpected end of file my ass! |
| 15:21:58 | kergoth | argh! |
| 15:22:57 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:23:02 | whardier | my ass is my EOF |
| 15:23:10 | nasa | what's the command to create a key for sshd? ssh-keygen.... |
| 15:24:10 | kergoth | ssh-keygen -t dsa -N '' -f /etc/ssh/sshd_dsa_host_key |
| 15:24:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:24:21 | kergoth | assuming you wanted dsa of couse |
| 15:24:21 | kergoth | course |
| 15:24:33 | whardier | then to disrtibute it |
| 15:24:53 | whardier | cat .ssh/id_dsa.pub | ssh user@remotehost "cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 15:25:00 | BigBoss | oh cool, we got 2 new games we are going to release this week |
| 15:25:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:25:12 | fusion94 | BigBoss: better be a quake3 in there |
| 15:25:13 | nasa | ah, don't know if I need dsa... |
| 15:25:34 | kergoth | nasa: are you using ssh v1 or v2? |
| 15:25:35 | Cloudchaser | what are they bigboss? |
| 15:25:47 | nasa | kergoth: I am using openssh |
| 15:26:08 | BigBoss | one is a puzzle game, and the other is our version of LoadRunner, complete with map editor |
| 15:26:29 | kergoth | nasa: huh? you didnt understand the question. |
| 15:26:41 | kergoth | nasa: I didnt ask you the version of your ssh package, but the version of the ssh protocol you'll be using |
| 15:26:45 | scanline | ok... can somebody here try connecting to https://128.138.2.21 ? |
| 15:27:12 | imm | Hello Navi |
| 15:27:16 | Cloudchaser | cool! |
| 15:27:16 | kergoth | scanline: your certificate is expired |
| 15:27:17 | BigBoss | hello navi |
| 15:27:23 | kergoth | scanline: but i got there. hehh |
| 15:27:27 | scanline | kergoth: I never bought a certificate :) |
| 15:27:33 | kergoth | scanline: that explains it |
| 15:27:34 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 15:27:45 | scanline | but that's cool.. just wanted to see if my school IT nazis blocked https.. they do block port 80 |
| 15:27:46 | scanline | thanks |
| 15:27:46 | nasa | kergoth: I have no idea :[ |
| 15:28:09 | prpplague | whardier: no this freaking pos terminal is taking up all my play time |
| 15:28:14 | | prpplague: sorry... |
| 15:28:14 | prpplague | ibot: ibmposs |
| 15:28:22 | | ibmpos is IBM Piece Of S#$t or a stinking piece of antique technology made to drive programmers insane |
| 15:28:22 | prpplague | ibot: ibmpos |
| 15:28:58 | mark | cool, dreamweaver MX runs in wine near perfectly |
| 15:29:24 | Cloudchaser | bigboss: the lode runner one looks like fun..haven't played it but looking at some screens shots |
| 15:29:39 | nasa | kergoth: found it, so nm -- thanks anyways |
| 15:29:41 | whardier | you guys are gonna hate me |
| 15:29:45 | BigBoss | my isp just started to block port 80 recently so I just set apache to run on a different port |
| 15:29:54 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i've got two packages for you.. procps-common and procps-top .. top requires common |
| 15:29:56 | BigBoss | whardier: more than we alerady do? :) |
| 15:30:05 | kergoth | BigBoss: i was going to say that. :-) |
| 15:30:10 | whardier | so you guys love me? |
| 15:30:23 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24325.png |
| 15:30:27 | whardier | hehehe |
| 15:30:27 | Cloudchaser | ok kergoth, and they won't messs up anything? |
| 15:30:35 | scanline | BigBoss: well, I prefer encrypted stuff so the school people won't realize how much anime people download from me :) |
| 15:30:55 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: nope, not a thing |
| 15:31:04 | BigBoss | i'm just running a football pool here |
| 15:31:07 | Cloudchaser | cool.. where can i get them, are they in the feed? |
| 15:31:35 | Cloudchaser | and thank you! |
| 15:31:39 | BigBoss | whardier: that's pretty cool - what's it for? |
| 15:31:52 | whardier | thats blender :) |
| 15:32:12 | whardier | http://www.blender3d.com/ |
| 15:32:18 | whardier | its simple to say I cheated |
| 15:32:21 | whardier | I can compile it |
| 15:32:26 | whardier | I just have not done that yet |
| 15:32:37 | fusion94 | bah |
| 15:32:41 | scanline | did you run it over the network? |
| 15:32:44 | whardier | there was a 933mhz machine running that on my Z |
| 15:32:51 | fusion94 | the blender interface is bad enough on a full desktop |
| 15:32:59 | whardier | fusion94: you get used to it |
| 15:33:00 | whardier | :) |
| 15:33:03 | fusion94 | no |
| 15:33:07 | whardier | bah.. I have |
| 15:33:12 | whardier | its nice actually |
| 15:33:18 | fusion94 | Lightwave, Electric Image, Maya you get used to.... |
| 15:33:42 | whardier | they all feel the same |
| 15:33:52 | whardier | this has a new part to add to your sensory perception |
| 15:34:13 | whardier | this has a new part to add to your sensory percepti |
| 15:34:21 | whardier | damnit |
| 15:34:25 | whardier | fucking ctrl-s |
| 15:35:07 | fusion94 | BigBoss: you used Samba at all ? |
| 15:35:14 | fusion94 | s/used/use |
| 15:35:27 | mark | samba kicks arse |
| 15:35:41 | Cloudchaser | i use samba |
| 15:35:53 | fusion94 | heh |
| 15:36:11 | fusion94 | i do to....i was just wondering ig BigBoss did |
| 15:36:14 | fusion94 | if even |
| 15:36:15 | VerxHome | ok, so it only took me an hour and 15 minutes to mow the yard |
| 15:36:18 | fusion94 | fuck cant type today |
| 15:36:19 | VerxHome | oh well |
| 15:37:06 | VerxHome | anyone know if kergoth compiled a working top while I was gone? |
| 15:37:09 | fusion94 | Samba changes in Jaguar was the best change in it |
| 15:37:38 | Cloudchaser | VerxHome he did |
| 15:37:57 | VerxHome | cool |
| 15:37:59 | Cloudchaser | but i seem to be failing to update the oz feed |
| 15:38:01 | VerxHome | did he say where to get it? |
| 15:38:14 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: You probably have a proxy caching it or something |
| 15:38:19 | Cloudchaser | no but i thought i'd try the feed |
| 15:38:20 | whardier | no mesagl in familiar |
| 15:38:21 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:38:22 | Cloudchaser | i don't have any proxy |
| 15:38:26 | whardier | thats no good |
| 15:39:08 | VerxHome | well |
| 15:39:11 | VerxHome | top isn't in the feed |
| 15:39:17 | Cloudchaser | hmm i updated busybox the otehr day.. would that mess up something? |
| 15:39:17 | VerxHome | so I dunno where he put it |
| 15:39:20 | VerxHome | kergoth: ping |
| 15:39:37 | kergoth | have fucking patience man |
| 15:39:38 | VerxHome | I wouldn't think so |
| 15:39:40 | VerxHome | oh |
| 15:39:48 | VerxHome | kergoth: I wasn't upset or anything man |
| 15:39:49 | kergoth | i said i have the ipks, i didnt say i was ready to distribute them |
| 15:39:53 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 15:39:55 | VerxHome | fair enough |
| 15:39:59 | Cloudchaser | its called procps-common and procps-top |
| 15:40:00 | VerxHome | I wasn't here when you said anything |
| 15:40:06 | VerxHome | so I didn't know the status |
| 15:40:11 | VerxHome | chills |
| 15:40:14 | kergoth | I'm busy beating the procps bulidsystem into submission |
| 15:40:18 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 15:40:19 | kergoth | pain in the ass |
| 15:40:44 | mark | anyone got ccache working? |
| 15:40:55 | VerxHome | mark: What is it? |
| 15:41:08 | kergoth | mark: hunger and whardier use it, i know that |
| 15:41:13 | kergoth | mark: i havent tried it yet myself |
| 15:43:29 | Cloudchaser | still my ipkg update fails with wget --passive ftp -q -P /tmp/pkg-ILQ6Bi with return value 1 |
| 15:43:39 | whardier | --passive-ftp |
| 15:43:46 | whardier | not --passive ftp |
| 15:43:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:43:49 | Cloudchaser | yeah that |
| 15:44:01 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: get the latest ipkg from the feed, if you havent already |
| 15:44:14 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the one in 2.9.5.5 had some... issues |
| 15:44:16 | Cloudchaser | i do have it |
| 15:44:19 | whardier | Cloudchaser: that wasn't cut and paste then :) |
| 15:44:30 | Cloudchaser | no it wasn't whardier |
| 15:44:34 | whardier | sorry Cloudchaser :( |
| 15:44:42 | Cloudchaser | hehe its ok |
| 15:44:54 | whardier | Fuck! |
| 15:44:58 | whardier | what is the busybox cvs password |
| 15:45:00 | whardier | nothing |
| 15:45:00 | Cloudchaser | i updated busybox kergoth, would that have messed anything up |
| 15:45:02 | whardier | or anoncvs? |
| 15:45:03 | mark | kergoth: okay, thanks, just wondering the best way to do the symlink stuff |
| 15:45:05 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: you had net access at the time? if it failed with exit status it wasnt able to get to the net to download it |
| 15:45:08 | kergoth | whardier: busybox cvs is nothing |
| 15:45:09 | mark | whardier: you use ccache? :) |
| 15:45:11 | whardier | ALASJDKADFJKasdf |
| 15:45:11 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: updated busybox from where? |
| 15:45:14 | whardier | damns |
| 15:45:21 | kergoth | whardier: rm -rf build/busybox sources/dl/busybox; make busybox; |
| 15:45:23 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 15:45:25 | whardier | adds echo "NO PASSWORD HERE!" |
| 15:45:27 | whardier | to the mk! |
| 15:45:28 | kergoth | whardier: then itll prompt again |
| 15:45:35 | kergoth | whardier: i'm going to add a .cvspass so it wont prompt |
| 15:46:04 | whardier | sexy |
| 15:46:23 | whardier | whats udhcp? |
| 15:46:32 | whardier | u as in micro |
| 15:46:36 | whardier | dhcp client? |
| 15:46:43 | kergoth | top.o(.text+0x5f0): undefined reference to `tgetent' |
| 15:46:49 | VerxHome | that would be my guess whardier |
| 15:46:50 | kergoth | yeah udhcp is a tiny dhcp client |
| 15:46:58 | whardier | good god did busybox ever fail to compile! |
| 15:47:02 | kergoth | er |
| 15:47:17 | kergoth | let me guess, ipv6 stuff? |
| 15:47:21 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: i should have internet access |
| 15:47:30 | Cloudchaser | but konq isn't working so who knows |
| 15:47:36 | whardier | /home/hardwire/src/buildroot-oz/build/busybox/networking/route.c: In function `INET6_displayroutes': |
| 15:47:40 | Cloudchaser | i have ip addy and can ping my pc, |
| 15:47:40 | whardier | make[3]: *** [/home/hardwire/src/buildroot-oz/build/busybox/networking/route.o] Error 1 |
| 15:47:49 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: can you ping beyond your pc? |
| 15:47:55 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: did you set up internet connection sharing or NAT? |
| 15:47:59 | kergoth | whardier: figured |
| 15:48:02 | Cloudchaser | i used linksys |
| 15:48:07 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:48:11 | Cloudchaser | pat |
| 15:48:15 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:48:15 | tux_mike | does anyone know if paintEvent is called automatically by the constructor of a QWidget? |
| 15:48:15 | whardier | kergoth: ? edit the config script and kill it? |
| 15:48:17 | Cloudchaser | linksys router |
| 15:48:23 | Cloudchaser | pat is port address translation |
| 15:48:25 | Cloudchaser | like nat |
| 15:48:36 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i dont care how your computer gets to the net, i care how your Z gets beyond your computer |
| 15:48:41 | Cloudchaser | cept only one outside address to translate too |
| 15:48:49 | Cloudchaser | the z has its own connection to internet |
| 15:48:58 | Cloudchaser | if my pc can reach the internet my z should also |
| 15:49:05 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: wrong |
| 15:49:17 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: unless you're forwarding between the usb interface and the ethernet interface... |
| 15:49:21 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: or are you using wireless? |
| 15:49:23 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 15:49:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:49:24 | Cloudchaser | wireless |
| 15:49:25 | mickeyl|coding | tux_mike: IIRC much later. |
| 15:49:28 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:49:48 | tux_mike | that must be why it looks like this isn't working |
| 15:49:50 | tux_mike | k |
| 15:49:52 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: can you ping the router from the Z? can you ping the ip of say, google.com from the Z? |
| 15:49:52 | tux_mike | ... |
| 15:49:58 | tux_mike | i just dropped my pen into my server |
| 15:50:16 | Cloudchaser | yes i can ping google.com by name |
| 15:50:34 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: but ipkg update fails? from the command line? |
| 15:50:39 | mickeyl|coding | tux_mike: paintEvents are triggered by update() or repaint() which go through the eventloop, so paintEvent() is not called before QApplication::exec() |
| 15:50:40 | whardier | removes ping6 from busybox |
| 15:51:19 | Cloudchaser | from oipkg. trying from command line now |
| 15:53:16 | Cloudchaser | just sitting there still.. |
| 15:53:27 | VerxHome | say |
| 15:53:36 | VerxHome | anyone here know how to get Jeode onto OZ? |
| 15:53:36 | Cloudchaser | no error yet but no finish yet either |
| 15:54:50 | mickeyl|coding | VerxHome: do a search in zauruszone.com - it's described there |
| 15:54:57 | whardier | since there are no -'s in the buzybox config diff.. I am assuming that just makes a new file :) |
| 15:55:10 | VerxHome | thanks a ton mickeyl! |
| 15:55:15 | Cloudchaser | does ipkg update give a finish message? |
| 15:55:31 | mickeyl|coding | np :) |
| 15:55:54 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 15:56:01 | VerxHome | I just searched for Jeode |
| 15:56:11 | VerxHome | 12 results |
| 15:56:22 | VerxHome | none have topics that look promising |
| 15:56:36 | whardier | kergoth: |
| 15:56:37 | whardier | +CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_FOLLOWLINKS=y |
| 15:56:38 | whardier | +# CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_RECURSIVE is not set |
| 15:56:42 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:56:48 | Cloudchaser | ok well ipkg update seems to either be hung or it takes along time to update? |
| 15:56:49 | kergoth | you really need ls -R? |
| 15:56:54 | whardier | kergoth: ? |
| 15:56:56 | whardier | I dunno! |
| 15:57:01 | whardier | I guess I have find |
| 15:57:01 | mickeyl|coding | VerxHome: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=2344&s=8300a628add411cb97d0ed3688bc96eb |
| 15:57:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:57:16 | mickeyl|coding | VerxHome_: OpenZaurus - second page, "OZ needs some Java love" |
| 15:58:22 | VerxHome | thanks a TON mickeyl!!!! |
| 15:58:23 | VerxHome | :))))))) |
| 15:58:28 | VerxHome | is exceedingly happy right now |
| 15:58:33 | VerxHome | only bummer is |
| 15:58:36 | VerxHome | I have to back up OZ |
| 15:58:39 | VerxHome | restore sharp rom |
| 15:58:44 | VerxHome | gank these files |
| 15:58:49 | VerxHome | and restore OZ |
| 15:58:53 | VerxHome | could take a while |
| 15:59:01 | whardier | kergoth:it is not even applying the config patch is it |
| 15:59:03 | whardier | heh |
| 15:59:09 | mickeyl|coding | VerxHome: you don't have to |
| 15:59:15 | VerxHome | why so? |
| 15:59:19 | VerxHome | reads further on the thread |
| 15:59:32 | whardier | oops! |
| 15:59:41 | kergoth | whardier: hmm? |
| 15:59:45 | whardier | nothing |
| 15:59:45 | kergoth | whardier: read Sources= in configs/busybox.mk |
| 15:59:47 | whardier | I pulled a stupid |
| 15:59:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:59:52 | kergoth | k |
| 15:59:55 | whardier | I gunzipped the patch |
| 15:59:57 | whardier | edited it |
| 16:00:00 | whardier | forgot to gzip it |
| 16:00:02 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 16:00:03 | mickeyl|coding | VerxHome_: nah its not in the thread,,, you can download the OS ROM to your linux pc (you have a linux pc don't you?), find where the initrd begins, mount the image there and extract the stuff from the images |
| 16:00:10 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 16:00:24 | VerxHome | oh |
| 16:00:27 | VerxHome | woohoo! |
| 16:00:28 | whardier | WTF |
| 16:00:30 | kergoth | mickeyl|coding: cygwin in windows could let you do that too ;-) |
| 16:00:31 | VerxHome | gets to work |
| 16:00:34 | VerxHome | mickeyl is da man |
| 16:00:34 | whardier | why does it still think I want ipv6 |
| 16:00:35 | whardier | ! |
| 16:00:39 | whardier | BASTARDS! |
| 16:00:42 | VerxHome | kergoth too |
| 16:00:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:00:44 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:00:47 | whardier | better yet.. why doesn't it like ipv6! |
| 16:00:54 | mickeyl|coding | kergoth: hmm... really? can cygwin mount cramfs? |
| 16:00:58 | scanline | whardier: heh.. I think I had the same problem |
| 16:01:05 | whardier | gets pissy |
| 16:01:12 | scanline | hasn't fixed it yet... |
| 16:01:19 | whardier | I am sure gonna |
| 16:01:23 | scanline | yay |
| 16:01:23 | kergoth | mickeyl|coding: doh, you're probably right.. never know thoguh |
| 16:01:26 | kergoth | scanline: ? |
| 16:01:32 | kergoth | ho |
| 16:01:36 | scanline | kergoth: that route.c think I told you about? |
| 16:01:37 | kergoth | whardiers gonan fix it |
| 16:01:41 | kergoth | nifty |
| 16:01:41 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:01:45 | scanline | k |
| 16:01:50 | VerxHome | mickeyl|coding: Is the initrd cramfs? |
| 16:01:51 | hunger | hi kergoth. |
| 16:01:54 | VerxHome | or some other fs? |
| 16:01:56 | scanline | eats one of the leftover granola bars from canada |
| 16:02:00 | Cloudchaser | well damn |
| 16:02:00 | hunger | kergoth: I'm still alive;-) |
| 16:02:05 | Cloudchaser | i give up |
| 16:02:06 | mickeyl|coding | VerxHome: on the sharp rom, yes. |
| 16:02:11 | VerxHome | k |
| 16:02:19 | whardier | WHAT THE FUCK! |
| 16:02:21 | VerxHome | I don't think I have cramfs in any of my linux kernels |
| 16:02:23 | whardier | is so goddamn pissed |
| 16:02:23 | VerxHome | durnit |
| 16:02:24 | whardier | leaves |
| 16:02:24 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 16:02:27 | kergoth | DAMN YOU TOP |
| 16:02:30 | kergoth | build! |
| 16:02:35 | whardier | damn you busybox |
| 16:02:37 | mickeyl|coding | VerxHome: but you must search where it begins in the OSPACK file. IIRC the signature begins with CRAMFS |
| 16:02:37 | fusion94 | is back (gone 09:35:02) |
| 16:02:37 | whardier | configure properly! |
| 16:02:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:02:44 | VerxHome | hands out beers to everyone |
| 16:02:48 | Cloudchaser | i think the new busy box messed something up |
| 16:02:59 | Cloudchaser | or something messed up konq and ipkg update |
| 16:03:05 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: Try just using wget directly |
| 16:03:08 | Cloudchaser | have no idea |
| 16:03:10 | VerxHome | see what happens |
| 16:03:25 | kergoth | VerxHome: the start point is 1835008 |
| 16:03:27 | Cloudchaser | ipkg update does wget |
| 16:03:31 | Cloudchaser | i can't seem to get to internet |
| 16:03:31 | kergoth | VerxHome: within ospack or 'romimage' |
| 16:03:43 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ? i thought you could ping google |
| 16:03:45 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:03:45 | Cloudchaser | although i can ping google.com by name |
| 16:03:47 | Cloudchaser | yes i can |
| 16:03:49 | VerxHome | kergoth: Thankye |
| 16:03:51 | kergoth | then you can get on the net. |
| 16:03:53 | Cloudchaser | but i can't get http |
| 16:03:59 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:04:03 | kergoth | odd |
| 16:04:34 | Cloudchaser | i gotta go out for a while..tired of this for now |
| 16:04:40 | VerxHome | grabs cramfsprogs |
| 16:04:45 | VerxHome | perhaps I can mount with them? |
| 16:04:47 | VerxHome | hopes |
| 16:04:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: um, no |
| 16:04:55 | VerxHome | heh |
| 16:04:55 | kergoth | VerxHome: you need cramfs support to mount |
| 16:04:57 | VerxHome | figures |
| 16:05:02 | VerxHome | blast |
| 16:06:04 | whardier | manually makes busybox |
| 16:06:12 | whardier | FUCK! |
| 16:06:14 | whardier | stull borks! |
| 16:06:24 | whardier | lasdjkasdfjklaskdjfl;askdasdjklf! |
| 16:06:31 | whardier | I AM SO GODDAMN PISSED |
| 16:07:27 | kergoth | stull? |
| 16:07:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:07:31 | kergoth | hey [DrEvil] |
| 16:07:37 | whardier | write protects a few config files |
| 16:07:45 | whardier | gets a different error now |
| 16:07:47 | scanline | throws a punching bag toward whardier so he can take out his agression |
| 16:07:50 | kergoth | VerxHome, Cloudchaser: procps-top in the feed. it requires procps-common, also in the feed. |
| 16:07:55 | whardier | scanline: bah.. I have one |
| 16:07:58 | whardier | I just can't use it |
| 16:08:02 | whardier | it would shake the building |
| 16:08:05 | Cloudchaser | i can't get to update feed |
| 16:08:06 | scanline | aww |
| 16:08:07 | kergoth | weak bulding? |
| 16:08:09 | Cloudchaser | but thanks |
| 16:08:11 | kergoth | er building |
| 16:08:16 | Cloudchaser | i'll try again later |
| 16:08:22 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i know, just letting you knwo for when you do get it working :-) |
| 16:08:26 | whardier | kergoth: no shit.. the guy downstairs has a water weight punching bag like mine |
| 16:08:28 | [DrEvil] | hey kergoth |
| 16:08:30 | whardier | when he hits it.. my house shakes |
| 16:08:34 | Cloudchaser | i have no clue |
| 16:08:36 | kergoth | whardier: aha |
| 16:08:41 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 16:08:42 | kergoth | whardier: thats lame |
| 16:08:44 | VerxHome | let's see what I can find |
| 16:08:51 | [DrEvil] | I am going through one more build of all the depends of OZ everything seems to be building |
| 16:08:57 | Cloudchaser | i read some other guy got konq working on z and then it stopped.. why the feed doesn't work or if its related i have no idea |
| 16:08:59 | VerxHome | kapm-idled is at 76% cpu |
| 16:09:04 | whardier | In file included from /home/hardwire/src/buildroot-oz/build/busybox/networking/route.c:30: |
| 16:09:07 | whardier | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.3/../../../../arm-linux/include/net/if.h: At top level: |
| 16:09:07 | VerxHome | this is while my Z is acting "good" |
| 16:09:08 | kergoth | i should go pick up a cordless drill |
| 16:09:09 | whardier | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.3/../../../../arm-linux/include/net/if.h:45: parse error before `0x1' |
| 16:09:15 | kergoth | VerxHome: okay, thats expected |
| 16:09:16 | whardier | I really hate route.c |
| 16:09:16 | VerxHome | now lemme try top when things are bad |
| 16:09:18 | kergoth | whardier: ew |
| 16:09:20 | scanline | thinks his routing tables are fucked... |
| 16:09:21 | VerxHome | right kergoth, I just wanted to compare |
| 16:09:28 | whardier | kergoth how did you get busybox to compile! |
| 16:09:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: cool |
| 16:09:33 | kergoth | whardier: i dunno, it likes me |
| 16:09:36 | whardier | I hate you |
| 16:09:38 | Cloudchaser | but does new busy box support the wget flags that oipkg uses? |
| 16:09:45 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: um |
| 16:09:51 | whardier | Cloudchaser: not using busyboxes |
| 16:09:52 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: wget isnt included in teh busybox package |
| 16:09:57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: we use *real* wget |
| 16:09:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:10:02 | Cloudchaser | oh ok |
| 16:10:06 | Cloudchaser | dunno then |
| 16:10:14 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 16:10:15 | whardier | this is bullocks! |
| 16:10:24 | VerxHome | now qpe is taking 96% cpu |
| 16:10:26 | [DrEvil] | never start building ipkg right before midnight |
| 16:10:27 | VerxHome | this is after a suspend |
| 16:10:44 | kergoth | VerxHome: report it to the opie bug tracker if it isnt already there. i t hink it may be in ther already |
| 16:10:50 | VerxHome | wait, I have a thought |
| 16:10:59 | whardier | $(SOURCE_DIR)/$(Name)-config.patch.gz \ |
| 16:11:00 | VerxHome | maybe the idle task itself died |
| 16:11:03 | VerxHome | is that possible? |
| 16:11:08 | whardier | was missing from the makefile |
| 16:11:11 | kergoth | whardier: nonononono |
| 16:11:14 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 16:11:23 | whardier | what? |
| 16:11:24 | VerxHome | 6 root S [kapm-idled] |
| 16:11:35 | VerxHome | doesn't that mean kapm-idled is swapped? |
| 16:11:37 | VerxHome | or some such? |
| 16:11:39 | kergoth | whardier: busybox-config.patch.gz is used by busybox-big.mk, which is a busybox that includes modutils and hwclock and shit .. i was testing replacing our modutils with busybox versions |
| 16:11:47 | kergoth | whardier: busybox-cvs.patch.gz is the config file for busybox.mk |
| 16:12:01 | whardier | bitch |
| 16:12:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:12:07 | whardier | which one do I modify? |
| 16:12:10 | whardier | to remove ipv6? |
| 16:12:16 | kergoth | busybox-cvs.patch.gz |
| 16:12:20 | whardier | since you have two busyboxes now :) |
| 16:12:25 | kergoth | busybox-big isnt built by anything |
| 16:12:30 | kergoth | its only for testing |
| 16:12:36 | whardier | Blah |
| 16:12:45 | whardier | commenting code/makefiles |
| 16:12:47 | whardier | is so cool |
| 16:12:49 | VerxHome | kergoth: Check this out: |
| 16:12:50 | kergoth | if it turns out busybox modutils works well, i'll change busybox.mk to that |
| 16:12:50 | VerxHome | ~# ps aux | grep idle |
| 16:12:50 | VerxHome | 6 root S [kapm-idled] |
| 16:12:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:12:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: thats odd |
| 16:13:05 | VerxHome | doesn't that mean that kapm-idled is swapped out? |
| 16:13:07 | kergoth | VerxHome: so it may be a familiar issue? |
| 16:13:12 | VerxHome | that occurs after a suspend |
| 16:13:17 | VerxHome | yeah, I would think so |
| 16:13:22 | LordDavon | Hello everyone. Is there a trick to compiling opie-bigapps? |
| 16:13:30 | VerxHome | assuming there isn't anything different about OZ than familiar |
| 16:13:41 | VerxHome | but I don't think that is a correct assumption kergoth |
| 16:13:49 | kergoth | VerxHome: wrong assumption. familiar uses a 2.4.18 handhelds.org kernel, OZ uses a 2.4.6 embedix kernel. |
| 16:13:49 | VerxHome | because familiar doesn't have this issue on iPAQ |
| 16:13:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: kapm-idled is a kernel thread |
| 16:14:03 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:14:06 | whardier | holds a gun to kergoths head.. making sure this works |
| 16:14:08 | VerxHome | sorry, didn't realize that |
| 16:14:12 | VerxHome | so it is an embedix issue perhaps? |
| 16:14:13 | oGMo | kergoth: what's familiar? |
| 16:14:22 | whardier | is pretty familiar |
| 16:14:25 | oGMo | hehe |
| 16:14:26 | kergoth | oGMo: debian based linxu distribution for the ipaq |
| 16:14:30 | oGMo | kergoth: ahh |
| 16:14:34 | whardier | familiar.handhelds.org |
| 16:14:48 | whardier | woot! |
| 16:14:50 | whardier | I get that other error |
| 16:14:52 | VerxHome | regardless kergoth |
| 16:14:56 | VerxHome | I bet money that is the issue |
| 16:14:58 | whardier | its most likely stupid fucking CVS right? |
| 16:15:01 | whardier | I am not going insane? |
| 16:15:03 | VerxHome | with kapm-idled not running |
| 16:15:08 | VerxHome | qpe gets 100% cpu |
| 16:15:09 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 16:15:16 | kergoth | VerxHome: thats wrong |
| 16:15:20 | whardier | oh shit.. I shot kergoth |
| 16:15:28 | kergoth | VerxHome: the problem is, qpe is using up the cpu |
| 16:15:38 | kergoth | VerxHome: kapm-idled uses whatever cpu is left over |
| 16:15:49 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:15:55 | kergoth | VerxHome: qpe should *never* use 100% fo the cpu, regardless of hte state of kapm-idled |
| 16:16:00 | VerxHome | well, qpe is using 96% cpu after a suspend |
| 16:16:00 | whardier | cries like a goddamn puppy dawg |
| 16:16:01 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:16:06 | kergoth | then report it to the opie bugtracker |
| 16:16:08 | VerxHome | thanks kergoth, I just needed to find out who to talk to |
| 16:16:09 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:16:11 | kergoth | np |
| 16:16:16 | VerxHome | looks like it will be the opie folks |
| 16:16:22 | whardier | disables route |
| 16:16:22 | whardier | heh |
| 16:16:44 | kergoth | hey extremis |
| 16:16:56 | whardier | must add iproute2 |
| 16:16:59 | extremis | hi kergoth |
| 16:17:03 | kergoth | whardier: yes, do it |
| 16:17:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:17:16 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: I fixed the hardcoded versions all over openssl.mk btw |
| 16:17:22 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: bout to commit it |
| 16:17:23 | whardier | kergoth: this is a huge issue with doing everything from cvs |
| 16:17:25 | whardier | imho |
| 16:17:26 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 16:17:27 | kergoth | whardier: ? |
| 16:17:29 | kergoth | whardier: what is? |
| 16:17:31 | whardier | uhm |
| 16:17:37 | whardier | nothing building the way it did last! |
| 16:17:46 | [DrEvil] | there are still dependencies in openzaurus.mk for util-linux |
| 16:17:47 | kergoth | whardier: um, that has nothing to do with cvs |
| 16:17:55 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: oh yeah, ill fix that .. thanks |
| 16:18:04 | whardier | so IPV6 just decided to break? |
| 16:18:15 | kergoth | whardier: no, i jsut decided to enable ipv6 support in busybox for the first tiem |
| 16:18:17 | whardier | and route.c decided it needed to make more errors? |
| 16:18:24 | kergoth | whardier: it built here, so i didnt notice the problem. |
| 16:18:25 | [DrEvil] | sysvinit.mk still depends on utils-linux |
| 16:18:31 | whardier | what the fuck is breaking it |
| 16:18:33 | whardier | grr |
| 16:18:35 | whardier | pissy |
| 16:18:41 | extremis | heh, someone is |
| 16:18:42 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: it does? hm |
| 16:18:43 | extremis | :) |
| 16:18:56 | [DrEvil] | sysvinit.mk:Depends = util-linux e2fsprogs |
| 16:18:59 | whardier | Dude |
| 16:19:00 | whardier | kergoth |
| 16:19:01 | whardier | # CONFIG_IPV6 is not set |
| 16:19:04 | whardier | in the kernel |
| 16:19:07 | whardier | it draws shit from there |
| 16:19:20 | whardier | did you not update the linux config in cvs to reflect changes to busybox? |
| 16:19:30 | kergoth | whardier: aha, my dir is out of sync with cvs |
| 16:19:35 | kergoth | whardier: the linux.config isnt committed |
| 16:19:37 | kergoth | whardier: ooops.. |
| 16:19:39 | whardier | gimme |
| 16:20:34 | LordDavon | Does anyone know how to compile opie-bigapps? I have tried copying over most of the directories fron opie, but I continually get errors when trying to configure |
| 16:20:44 | kergoth | LordDavon: you shouldnt even need to configure |
| 16:20:51 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 16:20:52 | kergoth | LordDavon: all those apps use cnofigure scripts, not tmake |
| 16:20:56 | VerxHome | I sent an email to the opie list |
| 16:20:56 | kergoth | LordDavon: running 'make' should be sufficient |
| 16:21:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: good good |
| 16:21:01 | VerxHome | hopefully someone with a clue will read it |
| 16:21:02 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:21:08 | VerxHome | I outlined EXACTLY what I found |
| 16:21:12 | LordDavon | Ahhh. Thank you. |
| 16:21:20 | VerxHome | giving 100% credit to my ability to find the error to you kergoth |
| 16:21:25 | VerxHome | cuz I couldn't have found it without top |
| 16:21:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:21:33 | VerxHome | now to extract Jeode |
| 16:21:47 | LordDavon | The Makefile in the directory was empty so I am redownloading the CVS. |
| 16:22:08 | kergoth | LordDavon: you may have to go into each subdir and 'make' there, i dont recall, its been a while since i played with it |
| 16:23:04 | LordDavon | I noticed a makefile.unix. I was tempted to rename it to Makefile and see if that would help. |
| 16:23:27 | kergoth | try make -f makefile.unix |
| 16:23:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:23:47 | VerxHome | kergoth: I have a kernel source tree with all its object files |
| 16:23:59 | VerxHome | is there an easy way I can tell it I want cramfs and have it JUST compile that? |
| 16:24:06 | VerxHome | or do I need to recompile everything? |
| 16:24:22 | kergoth | VerxHome: edit .config, set CONFIG_CRAMFS=m, run make oldconfig; make dep; make modules; |
| 16:24:35 | kergoth | VerxHome: the kernel rarely rebuilds what it doesnt have to, no worries |
| 16:24:46 | VerxHome | heh |
| 16:24:46 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:24:48 | VerxHome | well |
| 16:24:57 | VerxHome | I am guessing based on my search of .config |
| 16:25:02 | VerxHome | that 2.2.19 didn't have cramfs support |
| 16:25:04 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 16:25:07 | VerxHome | tries another b ox |
| 16:25:09 | VerxHome | er, box |
| 16:25:29 | whardier | fuck on a bitch! |
| 16:25:33 | whardier | runs around in circles |
| 16:25:38 | kergoth | smacks whardier |
| 16:26:07 | whardier | bites kergoth |
| 16:26:12 | scanline | wonders if whardier knows about #openzaurus yet |
| 16:26:18 | whardier | nope |
| 16:26:18 | whardier | heh |
| 16:26:38 | VerxHome | oh |
| 16:26:40 | VerxHome | scanline |
| 16:26:42 | VerxHome | who is there? |
| 16:26:50 | VerxHome | like kergoth by his lonesome? :) |
| 16:26:51 | scanline | VerxHome: join and find out :) |
| 16:27:00 | VerxHome | kergoth isn't there |
| 16:27:12 | VerxHome | how can there be an #openzaurus without kergoth! |
| 16:27:14 | scanline | yes kergoth is there |
| 16:27:15 | VerxHome | that is sacrilege! |
| 16:27:17 | whardier | you are just weird |
| 16:27:22 | VerxHome | | kergoth (kergoth@c-66-41-35-79.mn.client2.attbi.com) (Internic Commercial) |
| 16:27:22 | VerxHome | : ircname : Chris Larson |
| 16:27:22 | VerxHome | | channels : @#zaurus |
| 16:27:24 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 12:01:13) |
| 16:28:41 | gac76 | where can i find commands and things yuo can do in terminal? |
| 16:29:01 | LordDavon | Hmmm.. Can't find zlib.h |
| 16:29:17 | W|GGL|T | type busybox |
| 16:29:58 | kergoth | LordDavon: so get zlib. you'll need the arm lib and the headers |
| 16:30:18 | LordDavon | It is in the opie-bigapps dir. Not sure why it can't find it. |
| 16:30:35 | LordDavon | /opt/sources/opie-bigapps/qmame/src/unix/contrib/cutzlib-1.1.3/zlib.h |
| 16:31:52 | [DrEvil] | what the hell provides that file in KDE3 libart_lgpl_2.so.2 |
| 16:38:45 | gac76 | where can i get some info on things to do w/ terminal? |
| 16:43:47 | LordDavon | Ok. I added INCLUDES = -i/opt/sources/opie-bigapps/qmame/src/unix/contrib/cutzlib-1.1.3/ in the makefile. |
| 16:43:59 | LordDavon | It seems to no longer get that specific error. |
| 16:45:11 | LordDavon | video-drivers/qt.cpp:19: qpe/qpeapplication.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:45:12 | LordDavon | video-drivers/qt.cpp:20: qdirectpainter_qws.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:47:24 | kergoth | LordDavon: set OPIEDIR to the path to the standard opie module, not opie-bigapps |
| 16:47:32 | kergoth | LordDavon: then it should get those from $OPIEDIR/include |
| 16:47:36 | kergoth | also |
| 16:47:39 | kergoth | you need to set QTDIR |
| 16:47:48 | kergoth | if you havent already |
| 16:49:27 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24774.png |
| 16:50:05 | LordDavon | Both are set and it is still failing. |
| 16:52:59 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8754.png |
| 16:53:15 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32269.png |
| 16:54:04 | codemnky | anyone here use the Gimp |
| 16:54:10 | scanline | of course |
| 16:54:27 | codemnky | i have it rpm'ed in, how do i add more filters |
| 16:54:49 | scanline | with apt-get ;) |
| 16:54:54 | LordDavon | Got it. I was pointing to the wrong dir. |
| 16:55:01 | codemnky | i don't use that |
| 16:55:13 | codemnky | is there a manual way? |
| 16:55:24 | anse|or | man, i went to sleep at 8am, it's 2pm now. i should be tired, instead i'm hyper. |
| 16:55:26 | scanline | stick stuff in ~/.gimp |
| 16:55:38 | codemnky | ok |
| 16:55:46 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32269.png <- heh.. that was my fault |
| 16:55:52 | whardier | it needed a bum |
| 16:56:03 | scanline | upside down bum |
| 16:56:09 | whardier | a bum none the less! |
| 16:56:14 | whardier | I did not have Scap set up right :) |
| 16:56:19 | codemnky | nice |
| 16:56:53 | LordDavon | Ack. Not again. |
| 16:57:04 | LordDavon | video-drivers/qt.cpp:19: qpe/qpeapplication.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:57:22 | scanline | LordDavon: what are you compiling? |
| 16:57:27 | LordDavon | qmame |
| 16:58:10 | LordDavon | I double checked the OPIEDIR settings. |
| 16:58:24 | LordDavon | The file is part of both opie and opie-bigapps |
| 16:59:38 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.16436.png |
| 17:00:21 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18329.png |
| 17:00:26 | whardier | woot |
| 17:03:19 | whardier | kmfdm |
| 17:03:20 | whardier | nihil |
| 17:03:21 | whardier | ultra |
| 17:03:25 | whardier | runs around in circles |
| 17:04:33 | Cloudchaser | duh how stupid is this? i did port forwarding for dcc yesterday and that prevented z from http |
| 17:04:48 | Cloudchaser | shut off the port forwarding and voila |
| 17:05:01 | Cloudchaser | smacks linksys |
| 17:06:26 | Cloudchaser | dunno why that is but i guess something needs ports 1024 - 1040 something |
| 17:07:23 | Cloudchaser | heya moot |
| 17:07:28 | moot | heya |
| 17:07:41 | Cloudchaser | port forwarding thos ports broke z's web access and ipkg update |
| 17:07:49 | Cloudchaser | shut it off and they worked again |
| 17:08:05 | moot | i made a revelation on the toilet today, i wish the body was like *nix, so i could rm -rf my /bowls/ dir :/ |
| 17:08:06 | Com[Plex | unf |
| 17:08:07 | moot | whaaaaat!? |
| 17:08:11 | moot | oh ok i know why cloud |
| 17:08:19 | moot | care to give it another shot? |
| 17:08:44 | Com[Plex | wich one of these apps am I installing thats causeing OZ to say "invalid proccessor type --! ? |
| 17:09:48 | Cloudchaser | ok just a sec moot, installing something |
| 17:11:06 | Com[Plex | looks liek its reflash time |
| 17:11:07 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 17:12:02 | Cloudchaser | ok moot |
| 17:12:15 | moot | hmm ok |
| 17:12:28 | moot | goto terminal and type cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:13:10 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 17:13:18 | moot | whats the nameserver ip |
| 17:13:19 | moot | localhost? |
| 17:13:24 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 17:13:28 | Cloudchaser | there's 3 |
| 17:13:34 | moot | hmmm?? |
| 17:13:36 | moot | what are they |
| 17:13:38 | Cloudchaser | 167.206.3.219 |
| 17:13:44 | Cloudchaser | 167.206.7.4 |
| 17:13:52 | Cloudchaser | 167.206.112.138 |
| 17:13:55 | moot | you only need one :/ |
| 17:13:58 | moot | do you want all three? |
| 17:14:09 | Cloudchaser | no idea |
| 17:14:16 | Cloudchaser | i guess dhcp gives them to me |
| 17:14:17 | moot | well goto your main computer |
| 17:14:24 | moot | run/cmd/ipconfig /all |
| 17:14:35 | moot | tell me your primary dns server |
| 17:14:49 | Cloudchaser | there's all 3 there |
| 17:14:53 | whardier | pours some moot all over you |
| 17:14:55 | moot | hrm |
| 17:14:57 | moot | ok |
| 17:15:05 | moot | whats the ip of your main box |
| 17:15:08 | moot | er nm |
| 17:15:14 | moot | i mean, when your z is connected to it |
| 17:15:20 | moot | what is it called, Local Area Connection # |
| 17:15:22 | moot | ? |
| 17:15:32 | Cloudchaser | its 192.168.129.1 |
| 17:15:50 | moot | your ip of the main box? or your z |
| 17:15:57 | moot | what are your connections |
| 17:15:59 | moot | what os too |
| 17:16:37 | Cloudchaser | my laptop is 192.168.1.103 on wireless card, 192.168.129.1 for sl adapter (z usb) |
| 17:16:45 | Cloudchaser | windows 2k |
| 17:16:57 | moot | hmm ok |
| 17:17:01 | moot | what about the wap |
| 17:17:11 | moot | nm |
| 17:17:18 | moot | is sharing enabled? |
| 17:17:24 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 17:17:27 | moot | ok |
| 17:17:31 | moot | goto Local Area Connection |
| 17:17:38 | moot | right click, props, advanced, enable ICS |
| 17:17:46 | Cloudchaser | i have wireless card |
| 17:17:51 | Cloudchaser | thats fine |
| 17:17:57 | Cloudchaser | i don't need ics |
| 17:18:11 | moot | internet connection sharing? |
| 17:18:15 | Cloudchaser | right |
| 17:18:20 | moot | not there..? |
| 17:18:23 | Cloudchaser | z connects on its own to the network |
| 17:18:44 | moot | hrm |
| 17:18:48 | Cloudchaser | i'm confused.. what are you trying to have me do? |
| 17:18:52 | moot | well go back to the z |
| 17:18:56 | moot | im doing what i had to do |
| 17:18:59 | moot | i have a regular router |
| 17:19:08 | moot | my z connects to the net thru my main box |
| 17:19:19 | moot | go back to the z, terminal |
| 17:19:20 | Cloudchaser | ah mine doesn't |
| 17:19:30 | moot | type "route add default gw 192.169.129.1" |
| 17:19:35 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 17:19:37 | moot | thats your z ip right? |
| 17:19:42 | Cloudchaser | you're not getting it |
| 17:19:46 | moot | meh |
| 17:19:51 | moot | i guess wireless is diff :P |
| 17:19:57 | Cloudchaser | something is using those ports we had forwarded to my pc |
| 17:20:08 | moot | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:20:09 | Cloudchaser | when i stop forwarding them life is good |
| 17:20:15 | kergoth | moot: she can ping google man, which means she has internet connectivity, and she has name resolution, its only certain tcp/ip traffic thats being interfered with |
| 17:20:29 | moot | 1024/1044? |
| 17:20:31 | Cloudchaser | right.. |
| 17:20:33 | moot | she never said that :P |
| 17:20:47 | moot | do you have a firewall? can you see what else uses those |
| 17:20:51 | moot | like any outgoing connections |
| 17:20:52 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone using http://www.choup.net/ipaq/linux/apache-1.3.24-php-4.2_0.4_arm.ipk ? |
| 17:20:53 | moot | or just run netstat |
| 17:20:58 | whardier | if using squid.. add your stuff to the ACL |
| 17:21:01 | Cloudchaser | nah i just shut it off |
| 17:21:03 | TheMasterMind1 | apache.24 with php4.2? |
| 17:21:08 | Cloudchaser | if i really need it i'll turn it on |
| 17:21:13 | moot | well |
| 17:21:15 | moot | just goto cmd |
| 17:21:16 | Cloudchaser | just took me a while to figure it out |
| 17:21:20 | whardier | TheMasterMind1: it requires libdb1.so.2 |
| 17:21:22 | moot | and type netstat -a |
| 17:21:25 | whardier | its impossible to use w/o it |
| 17:21:32 | kergoth | whardier: did you add that to the libc6 build btw? |
| 17:21:35 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: right. where do i get that? |
| 17:21:42 | whardier | kergoth: I could I suppose |
| 17:21:48 | whardier | TheMasterMind1: thin air for now |
| 17:22:19 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: ah. i see |
| 17:22:47 | whardier | let me try something and I will let you know if it works |
| 17:22:48 | whardier | I want it to |
| 17:22:57 | TheMasterMind1 | i found a libdb.so.3 |
| 17:23:02 | whardier | cause that is the basis of people making a desktop explorer program |
| 17:23:10 | Cloudchaser | something is on 1026 |
| 17:23:27 | codemnky | yo scan |
| 17:23:29 | moot | what does it say |
| 17:23:31 | whardier | Cloudchaser are you sure those aren't outgoing ports ? |
| 17:23:52 | codemnky | whardier you use ther gimp? |
| 17:24:02 | whardier | a lot |
| 17:24:05 | whardier | not under redhat |
| 17:24:07 | whardier | apt-get |
| 17:24:18 | moot | she binded all of her dcc to her ip and set the ports to 1024-1045 |
| 17:24:18 | codemnky | ~.gimp-1.2/scripts/oldstone.scm i put this here and restarted |
| 17:24:26 | moot | then forwarded those on her router/firewall |
| 17:24:27 | codemnky | but it no worky |
| 17:24:28 | whardier | oldscones |
| 17:24:31 | moot | to get dcc working again |
| 17:24:39 | whardier | codemnky: I have no clue |
| 17:24:40 | moot | now she said it messes up the z with forwading |
| 17:24:42 | codemnky | ok |
| 17:24:43 | whardier | thats not neccissary |
| 17:24:53 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: seems i got it working. apache atleast |
| 17:24:54 | TheMasterMind1 | checking php now |
| 17:24:58 | whardier | how? |
| 17:24:59 | moot | eh? |
| 17:25:01 | LordDavon | just can't get this bugger found. |
| 17:25:05 | moot | i have the same router, and problem |
| 17:25:09 | moot | erm actually mines not wireless :P |
| 17:25:15 | moot | thats my way of fixing it :/ |
| 17:25:21 | LordDavon | video-drivers/qt.cpp:19: qpe/qpeapplication.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:25:48 | LordDavon | /opt/sources/opie/library/qpeapplication.h |
| 17:25:52 | LordDavon | I've got it though. |
| 17:26:06 | kergoth | LordDavon: so you need /opt/sources/opie/include in your include path |
| 17:26:18 | kergoth | LordDavon: and you *must* have run ./configure in your /opt/sources/opie dir |
| 17:26:26 | kergoth | LordDavon: otherwise the headers wont have been copied into include/ |
| 17:26:38 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: i found a libdb.so.3 and ln -s ed it to libdb.so.2 |
| 17:26:43 | LordDavon | Yes. In the opie dir I did |
| 17:26:50 | TheMasterMind1 | php isn't parsing though |
| 17:26:53 | kergoth | LordDavon: then its not in the include path. add it |
| 17:27:43 | whardier | TheMasterMind1 what rom are you on? |
| 17:27:48 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: sharp |
| 17:28:03 | whardier | wonders how OpenZaurus even runs w/o it |
| 17:28:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. i enabled the .php stuff in the httpd.conf and restarted but its not parsing the php |
| 17:28:17 | LordDavon | You are correct again. :) |
| 17:28:34 | LordDavon | I thought I did add it, but I called it includes. |
| 17:28:37 | LordDavon | Not include. |
| 17:28:43 | kergoth | ahhh good good |
| 17:29:19 | LordDavon | I get a ton of *.da not found. I take it that its normal. |
| 17:29:30 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:29:32 | whardier | where is libdb |
| 17:29:38 | whardier | its not appearing in glibc |
| 17:29:52 | TheMasterMind1 | http://humphrey.applitec.com/zaurus/zstuff/ConsolApps/lib/ |
| 17:30:02 | TheMasterMind1 | apache works but not php |
| 17:30:03 | moot | grrrrrr |
| 17:30:10 | moot | i can never get tkcplayer to install on oz :( |
| 17:30:17 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't even find the php module.. doesn't seem to be in the ipk |
| 17:30:33 | kergoth | moot: whats the error? |
| 17:30:35 | moot | even when i click the package on my cf, to make it a little red thing with a ball popping out, theres no name there :? |
| 17:30:39 | moot | no error, it just never installs |
| 17:30:43 | moot | erm lemme go read the errors |
| 17:31:34 | whardier | why do sites ALWAYS die when I am xferring from them? |
| 17:31:41 | whardier | heh |
| 17:31:43 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: lol |
| 17:31:46 | kergoth | murphy's law |
| 17:31:48 | whardier | fast fast fast fast stop |
| 17:31:50 | whardier | try again |
| 17:31:51 | kergoth | i want to kick murphy's ass |
| 17:31:51 | moot | ./mnt/cf/Documents/application/ipkg/thekompany.arm.desktop. |
| 17:31:51 | whardier | no go |
| 17:31:53 | whardier | try again |
| 17:31:54 | TheMasterMind1 | did the older apache+php work on php docs? |
| 17:31:54 | whardier | no go |
| 17:31:55 | moot | Cannot find package |
| 17:31:56 | whardier | L:AKSDJFLKASDJF |
| 17:32:00 | moot | ./mnt/cf/Documents/application/ipkg/thekompany.arm.desktop. |
| 17:32:02 | kergoth | moot: thats not the actual error. i need more |
| 17:32:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:32:12 | moot | Check the spelling or perhaps run `ipkg' update Error while installing |
| 17:32:16 | moot | thats all it says |
| 17:32:19 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:32:19 | moot | those 4 lines |
| 17:32:20 | LordDavon | {standard input}:2682: Error: Cannot represent OFFSET_IMM8 relocation in this object file format |
| 17:32:20 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: did you go through and add those Sources lines to the mk filles that needed them? |
| 17:32:20 | LordDavon | make: *** [xmame.obj/sound/es5506.o] Error 1 |
| 17:32:21 | kergoth | no |
| 17:32:22 | LordDavon | hmmmm |
| 17:32:31 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: some, im not done yet |
| 17:32:38 | moot | no? |
| 17:32:43 | moot | thats what it says on my screen :P |
| 17:32:44 | kergoth | moot: you only pasted 3 errors. |
| 17:32:48 | kergoth | moot: not |
| 17:32:50 | kergoth | moot: 4 |
| 17:32:52 | whardier | php works |
| 17:32:54 | whardier | not right |
| 17:32:56 | moot | well thats all i see dude :P |
| 17:32:59 | kergoth | um |
| 17:33:02 | kergoth | count again |
| 17:33:04 | kergoth | is it 3 or 4? |
| 17:33:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:33:23 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: not right? |
| 17:33:26 | moot | Cannont find package, Check the spelling or perhaps run `ipkg update', Error while installing |
| 17:33:32 | moot | those 3 i guess |
| 17:33:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't want php4.0.5 though. thats old! |
| 17:33:37 | LordDavon | Forcing it with a -k. |
| 17:33:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going to have to compile apache+php latest |
| 17:33:56 | kergoth | moot: um, none of those are the real problem, those are effects, not the cause. odd |
| 17:34:07 | moot | well all that says :( |
| 17:34:09 | kergoth | moot: edit /root/Settings/oipkg.conf .. point DocLnkDir to the dir where your ipks are |
| 17:34:15 | kergoth | moot: then run oipkg, it'll list the ipks there |
| 17:34:22 | kergoth | moot: install it that way, instead of tapping in the docs tab |
| 17:34:30 | moot | k |
| 17:34:39 | kergoth | hopefully thatll help |
| 17:34:44 | kergoth | cause i have reports that it works fine in OZ |
| 17:34:46 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:35:08 | whardier | heh |
| 17:35:13 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 17:35:19 | [DrEvil] | I'm hungry but I need to go to the store for milk |
| 17:35:32 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: hmm. i gotta jet. message me if you figure anything out |
| 17:35:37 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: goneeeeeeeee |
| 17:35:55 | moot | kergoth |
| 17:36:05 | moot | there instalready a DocLnkDir |
| 17:36:08 | moot | should i add it? |
| 17:36:32 | moot | there [ComnkDir = /root/ |
| 17:36:43 | whardier | Heh.. http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28590.png |
| 17:36:47 | scanline | is away: lunch |
| 17:36:51 | moot | listsDir = /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/ |
| 17:37:10 | moot | statusDir = /usr/lib/ipkg |
| 17:37:13 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: whoa.. how'd you get that? |
| 17:37:29 | whardier | make a php.php |
| 17:37:36 | whardier | in /home/www/htdocs |
| 17:37:37 | whardier | that contains |
| 17:37:40 | whardier | <? phpinfo(); ?> |
| 17:37:49 | whardier | then look at it |
| 17:37:50 | whardier | heh |
| 17:38:02 | whardier | looks like they cooked in XML support and MySQL support |
| 17:38:04 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: doesn't work. shows me that text |
| 17:38:08 | whardier | thats enough to do some damage for sure :) |
| 17:38:17 | whardier | TheMasterMind1 how did you run httpd? |
| 17:38:24 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: are you doing this with the apache1.3.19 or the 1.3.24 pkg? |
| 17:38:27 | TheMasterMind1 | /home/www/bin/httpd |
| 17:38:29 | whardier | 1.3.24 |
| 17:38:41 | TheMasterMind1 | and where did you put libdb? |
| 17:38:48 | whardier | /usr/lib/ |
| 17:39:00 | TheMasterMind1 | you changed the name? |
| 17:39:03 | TheMasterMind1 | /home/root/usr/lib ? |
| 17:39:16 | whardier | ln -s libdb.so.3 libdb.so.2 |
| 17:39:17 | whardier | ldconfig |
| 17:39:18 | whardier | run it |
| 17:39:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't have ldconfig |
| 17:39:21 | whardier | no |
| 17:39:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:39:24 | whardier | I have jffs2 |
| 17:39:26 | whardier | you don't |
| 17:39:28 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:39:29 | TheMasterMind1 | what's that |
| 17:39:33 | whardier | advantage of using openzaurus |
| 17:39:38 | TheMasterMind1 | jffs2? |
| 17:39:40 | whardier | I can write to the flash |
| 17:39:46 | whardier | as a standard device |
| 17:39:49 | whardier | its not a cramfs |
| 17:39:50 | TheMasterMind1 | right right |
| 17:39:50 | moot | hey in terminal |
| 17:39:57 | whardier | hey in farm feild |
| 17:39:58 | TheMasterMind1 | so it won't work on the sharp |
| 17:40:00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:40:00 | moot | you know the drop down menu with ls, cd, etc |
| 17:40:03 | moot | how can you add one? |
| 17:40:09 | moot | like add a command to the drop down menu |
| 17:40:13 | whardier | moot is so moot |
| 17:40:18 | moot | woot i r moot |
| 17:40:20 | whardier | I dunno btw :) |
| 17:40:23 | moot | lol |
| 17:40:25 | whardier | woot i r moot! |
| 17:40:28 | whardier | I love it! |
| 17:40:37 | moot | wooters i r mooters? |
| 17:40:37 | moot | :/ |
| 17:40:41 | mickeyl|dinner | is leaving for a while... |
| 17:40:42 | whardier | not as fun |
| 17:40:55 | moot | :( |
| 17:41:02 | moot | must add drop down menu item |
| 17:41:09 | whardier | shuts down X |
| 17:41:13 | whardier | and starts up opoe |
| 17:41:15 | whardier | opie |
| 17:41:41 | TheMasterMind1 | whardier: you just added that libdb symlink and ran /home/www/bin/httpd ? |
| 17:42:17 | whardier | we |
| 17:42:18 | whardier | err |
| 17:42:20 | whardier | yeah |
| 17:42:22 | whardier | :) |
| 17:43:35 | kergoth | moot: you cant customize that menu on the sharp terminal |
| 17:43:43 | kergoth | moot: you'll want the opie embeddedkonsole off myzaurus.com |
| 17:43:52 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 17:43:59 | VerxHome | I made a flash image backup |
| 17:44:04 | VerxHome | it is 14811136 bytes |
| 17:44:10 | TheMasterMind1 | gah!! |
| 17:44:12 | VerxHome | your initrd is 14811135 bytes |
| 17:44:12 | Cloudchaser | i think moot is using oz |
| 17:44:14 | moot | k |
| 17:44:19 | VerxHome | is this something I should be worried about? |
| 17:44:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: yeah, i know |
| 17:44:22 | moot | hey kergoth can you answer my previous q |
| 17:44:24 | kergoth | VerxHome: nope |
| 17:44:28 | moot | that wasnt in there, the line you wanted me to edit |
| 17:44:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: the cf updater doesnt like initrds that are 14811136 |
| 17:44:33 | VerxHome | why are they different tho? |
| 17:44:39 | VerxHome | oh |
| 17:44:42 | kergoth | VerxHome: both lights will start flashing after you're done flashing the rom |
| 17:44:46 | kergoth | VerxHome: for some reason |
| 17:44:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: so i cut it down by a byte |
| 17:44:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:44:56 | VerxHome | so I need to do something to my image before I flash it? |
| 17:45:05 | kergoth | moot: um, you dont see a DocLnkDir= line? |
| 17:45:11 | kergoth | moot: are you in OZ? |
| 17:45:11 | VerxHome | well kergoth, I think you made it corrupt in doing that |
| 17:45:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: waht? are you on crack? |
| 17:45:35 | kergoth | VerxHome: the 14811135 rom is just fine. |
| 17:45:43 | moot | yes |
| 17:45:43 | VerxHome | let me show you something |
| 17:45:45 | moot | i dont see it |
| 17:45:46 | kergoth | VerxHome: as a matter of fact, you can flash an initrd thats smaller.. say 8000000 |
| 17:45:49 | VerxHome | this is after a FRESH flash of your image |
| 17:45:51 | moot | oh no its here njk :P |
| 17:45:54 | VerxHome | NOT A THING done to it: |
| 17:45:59 | VerxHome | # find / | grep blorg |
| 17:45:59 | VerxHome | find: /opt/Qtopia/sounds/touchsound.wav: Input/output error |
| 17:46:02 | VerxHome | so that problem |
| 17:46:06 | VerxHome | is in your image |
| 17:46:49 | kergoth | VerxHome: um |
| 17:46:52 | kergoth | dood |
| 17:46:56 | kergoth | i just did find / | grep blorg |
| 17:46:58 | kergoth | no errors |
| 17:47:15 | VerxHome | well |
| 17:47:21 | VerxHome | I don't know what to say |
| 17:47:28 | VerxHome | but I get that problem with a fresh flash of your image |
| 17:47:38 | kergoth | sounds like you have a byte of bad flash |
| 17:47:44 | kergoth | but hell i dunno |
| 17:47:51 | VerxHome | kergoth: I suppose that is possible. . . |
| 17:47:57 | kergoth | VerxHome: you want a 14811136 image? |
| 17:47:58 | VerxHome | might explain a few things |
| 17:48:03 | kergoth | VerxHome: add a single byte containing 0xff to it |
| 17:48:09 | kergoth | VerxHome: my initrd is only abut 12 megs |
| 17:48:14 | kergoth | VerxHome: its padded with 0xffs |
| 17:48:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: to ensure that jffs2 knows its boundries |
| 17:48:36 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 17:49:40 | VerxHome | man |
| 17:49:47 | VerxHome | I just want my Z to run stable |
| 17:49:48 | VerxHome | that's all |
| 17:49:49 | VerxHome | :( |
| 17:49:56 | kergoth | go ahead though, try a 14811136 image |
| 17:50:03 | VerxHome | it hasn't survived a full day yet without corruption of SOME kind |
| 17:50:14 | kergoth | just dd a single byte from /dev/zero .. pipe it thrugh a tr to change it to a 0xff, and append it to the initrd |
| 17:50:30 | ljp | I've gone weeks using oz just fine and dandy |
| 17:50:35 | VerxHome | well |
| 17:50:42 | VerxHome | ljp: I think I may have some bad flash in mine |
| 17:50:50 | VerxHome | it is looking that way |
| 17:50:54 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 17:50:59 | [DrEvil] | libart is a gnome library |
| 17:51:02 | [DrEvil] | that kde is using |
| 17:51:05 | kergoth | VerxHome: ask dwmw2 about it, he may know a way to mark a byte as bad so it wont be used |
| 17:51:20 | VerxHome | kergoth: I have been paging dwmw2 for 3 days to no avail |
| 17:51:27 | ljp | and what happens when you flash the sharp rom? |
| 17:51:53 | VerxHome | ljp: I dunno, I could try that and see if it has a similar issue |
| 17:54:22 | VerxHome | does the sharp rom have find in it? |
| 17:54:26 | VerxHome | or would I need to install it? |
| 17:54:39 | VerxHome | I would prefer to see if it is an issue without installing anything on it |
| 17:55:02 | moot | uhoh |
| 17:55:11 | VerxHome | so kergoth, if the LEDs start flashing, what do you do at that point? |
| 17:55:18 | moot | i messed up my oipkg.conf , deleted a few too many lines and saved :( |
| 17:55:27 | Com[Plex | where do the ipkgs need to be on my sd or cf card in order for them to jsut hsow up in the ipkg manager? |
| 17:55:34 | moot | can docLnkDir = go AFTER the other ones? |
| 17:55:34 | Com[Plex | OZ |
| 17:55:41 | kergoth | VerxHome: just hit full reset again and turn it on |
| 17:55:45 | VerxHome | ok |
| 17:55:47 | VerxHome | thanks |
| 17:55:48 | kergoth | VerxHome: it doesnt appear to break anything, but i didnt want to freak out the users |
| 17:55:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:55:54 | moot | kerg: i messed the conf up :( |
| 17:55:55 | VerxHome | I am gonna try flashing my image |
| 17:56:02 | kergoth | Com[Plex: they dont |
| 17:56:06 | VerxHome | see if that works at least |
| 17:56:13 | LordDavon | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 17:56:13 | LordDavon | {standard input}:2607: Error: Cannot represent OFFSET_IMM8 relocation in this object file format |
| 17:56:13 | LordDavon | {standard input}:2625: Error: Cannot represent OFFSET_IMM8 relocation in this object file format |
| 17:56:13 | LordDavon | {standard input}:2656: Error: Cannot represent OFFSET_IMM8 relocation in this object file format |
| 17:56:13 | LordDavon | {standard input}:2682: Error: Cannot represent OFFSET_IMM8 relocation in this object file format |
| 17:56:14 | LordDavon | make: *** [xmame.obj/sound/es5506.o] Error 1 |
| 17:56:20 | Com[Plex | ahh.. anything that can be done? |
| 17:56:20 | LordDavon | Anyone seen this before? |
| 17:56:38 | Com[Plex | is it just nto ready yet, that why the documents button doesnt list anything? |
| 17:56:40 | kergoth | Com[Plex: either tap on them in Documents, or add the path to DocLnkDir in oipkg.conf, or create a feed on your card and add src cf file:/mnt/cf to ipkg.conf |
| 17:56:50 | Com[Plex | ooh |
| 17:57:00 | kergoth | Com[Plex: yeah, full support for showing documents like that isnt done, i keep pestering tille |
| 17:57:08 | Com[Plex | sweet :> |
| 17:57:16 | kergoth | Com[Plex: myself, i create a feed on my cards, and just update it when i copy new files over.. but then, I use my linux desktop |
| 17:57:20 | Com[Plex | thanx |
| 17:57:22 | kergoth | moot: delete it |
| 17:57:25 | kergoth | moot: it'll recreate it when you run it |
| 17:57:38 | kergoth | moot: and note: the DocLnkDir line doesnt exist until the first time you tap on a package in the Documents tab |
| 17:58:37 | Com[Plex | hey kergoth, uh, I keep screwing oz up and having to reflash. - wich of the ipkgs should I bother updateing? |
| 17:58:46 | VerxHome | kergoth: Do you know if you can have other files on a CF card in a directory and still flash with it? |
| 17:58:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: yes |
| 17:58:54 | Com[Plex | something I keep doing keeps ruinging it. hehe |
| 17:58:55 | VerxHome | ok |
| 17:58:58 | kergoth | Com[Plex: um you can upgrade any of them |
| 17:59:04 | kergoth | Com[Plex: i've never had to reflash as a result of an upgrade |
| 17:59:04 | VerxHome | then I can make a multi initrd cf card |
| 17:59:13 | kergoth | Com[Plex: but the only important one is 'ipkg' really |
| 17:59:20 | VerxHome | and just move whichever thing to initrd.bin that I wanna flash with |
| 17:59:20 | Com[Plex | I updatd the ipkg manager, but I want the other apps |
| 17:59:26 | kergoth | VerxHome: yep, i do that |
| 17:59:34 | kergoth | Com[Plex: huh? |
| 17:59:38 | kergoth | Com[Plex: you can install any app from the feed just fine |
| 17:59:40 | Com[Plex | somethign Im going after the ipkg screws it all up. I get an error "invalid proccessor type" on bootyup |
| 17:59:45 | kergoth | Com[Plex: i install about 12 of them when i build my system |
| 17:59:53 | Com[Plex | ahh. wich 12? |
| 17:59:58 | kergoth | Com[Plex: DONT install opie-login!!!!! |
| 18:00:04 | kergoth | Com[Plex: period |
| 18:00:04 | Com[Plex | ahh |
| 18:00:07 | kergoth | do you even know what it is? |
| 18:00:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:00:10 | Com[Plex | nope |
| 18:00:14 | [DrEvil] | I'm scared of kde 3.1 |
| 18:00:18 | kergoth | opie-login is a login screen like gdm/kdm/xdm |
| 18:00:24 | kergoth | but it doesnt work in OZ yet |
| 18:00:27 | Com[Plex | where can I get a summary of all these apps? |
| 18:00:28 | kergoth | when it does, opie will be running as a nonroot user |
| 18:00:35 | kergoth | Com[Plex: read the opie users manual |
| 18:00:38 | Com[Plex | Ive been looking all over.. |
| 18:00:39 | kergoth | Com[Plex: the pdf or html |
| 18:00:46 | kergoth | Com[Plex: http://opie.handhelds.org/ .. click "user manual" |
| 18:00:50 | kergoth | Com[Plex: heh |
| 18:00:50 | Com[Plex | uh.. okay. thanx :> |
| 18:01:03 | kergoth | Com[Plex: it documents the usage of most of the apps |
| 18:02:02 | Com[Plex | \awesome. thats what I was looking for >: |
| 18:02:24 | Com[Plex | say, if OZ is based on debian, what is the sharpe rom based on? |
| 18:02:34 | kergoth | its startup scripts and the like are redhat based |
| 18:02:49 | kergoth | though they're hacked up, but then so is OZ a bit |
| 18:03:22 | ljp | sharp rom is embedix |
| 18:03:24 | whardier | what is atd's cvs password? |
| 18:03:43 | kergoth | whardier: atd is on handhelds.org, its anoncvs just like ipkg |
| 18:03:53 | Com[Plex | cool |
| 18:03:55 | kergoth | ljp: yeah, but it steals a lot of shit from redhat :-) |
| 18:04:05 | whardier | I thought I tried that |
| 18:04:07 | whardier | hmmph |
| 18:04:13 | whardier | oh sure |
| 18:04:15 | whardier | now it works |
| 18:04:16 | moot | FFS |
| 18:04:19 | moot | i hatew this conf |
| 18:04:24 | kergoth | moot: ? |
| 18:04:28 | moot | i keep editing it, but it keeps deleting that friggin line |
| 18:04:29 | kergoth | moot: dood, install opie-confedit |
| 18:04:31 | moot | i iddnt even dlete it |
| 18:04:35 | kergoth | moot: it makes life easier |
| 18:04:37 | moot | damns vi |
| 18:04:39 | moot | k |
| 18:05:28 | Cloudchaser | opie-confedit is nifty |
| 18:06:53 | Cloudchaser | hey ljp did you by chance put op2 up somewhere? |
| 18:06:57 | moot | GRRRRRRRR |
| 18:07:00 | moot | i cant update :( |
| 18:07:18 | Cloudchaser | why not moot? |
| 18:08:11 | moot | ok now i can |
| 18:08:14 | moot | but the list wont update. |
| 18:08:17 | moot | like i dl the new one |
| 18:08:20 | moot | and i just see installed apps |
| 18:08:36 | Cloudchaser | try shutting off your port forwarding? |
| 18:08:53 | Cloudchaser | make sure the oz3 server is active |
| 18:09:15 | Cloudchaser | once you update close oipkg and reopen it |
| 18:09:31 | moot | got it |
| 18:09:32 | Cloudchaser | that's probly the issue |
| 18:10:00 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1958.png |
| 18:10:00 | whardier | heh |
| 18:10:05 | moot | nai just reactiv\ated server |
| 18:10:12 | moot | how do you erm use opie conf |
| 18:10:17 | Crucifer | is there an emulator for zaurus? |
| 18:13:45 | Com[Plex | kergoth, I just skimmed the manual - I cant seem to find where it ducuments the usage of any of these packages.. |
| 18:13:56 | Com[Plex | should I update qpe-base? |
| 18:14:01 | LordDavon | kergoth, I am tunring off optimizations to see if it will compile. I read that it may not bootstrap with certain cross compilers. Which version are you using? |
| 18:14:26 | whardier | you guys might like this |
| 18:14:27 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4982.png |
| 18:15:24 | moot | perdy! |
| 18:15:25 | moot | i like it |
| 18:15:29 | moot | is that just a theme? |
| 18:15:58 | kergoth | LordDavon: i'm using a 2.95.3 crosscompiler |
| 18:16:06 | kergoth | Com[Plex: qpe-base is empty. |
| 18:16:08 | kergoth | Com[Plex: and useless. |
| 18:16:16 | whardier | configure: error: openobex-config not found. Pehaps openobex is not installed. |
| 18:16:16 | whardier | heh |
| 18:16:19 | kergoth | Com[Plex: and you shouldnt install it, or it'll Conflict with opie-base |
| 18:16:19 | Com[Plex | ahh |
| 18:16:20 | Com[Plex | ok |
| 18:16:29 | Com[Plex | oh, I meant opiebase |
| 18:16:31 | Com[Plex | sorry. |
| 18:16:33 | kergoth | whardier: yeah, it depends on the openobex-config in the system cause i never got around to fixing it |
| 18:16:37 | kergoth | Com[Plex: i dont think i updated opie-base. |
| 18:16:42 | LordDavon | I am using 2.95.2 |
| 18:16:48 | LordDavon | I wonder if that may be a fix |
| 18:16:54 | Com[Plex | nm, thats allready in there |
| 18:17:12 | whardier | kergoth: you installed it to the system as well? |
| 18:17:18 | kergoth | whardier: as a workaround yeah |
| 18:17:23 | whardier | openobex is just irda shit right? |
| 18:17:30 | kergoth | whardier: thats the only package i know of that definately depends on the base system |
| 18:17:33 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:17:34 | whardier | comments it out |
| 18:17:35 | kergoth | its beaming stuff technically |
| 18:17:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:17:44 | kergoth | i should fix that build one of these days |
| 18:17:46 | kergoth | ah wel |
| 18:18:04 | whardier | ./build/openobex-0.9.8/openobex-config |
| 18:18:05 | whardier | heh |
| 18:18:06 | moot | kergoth |
| 18:18:07 | whardier | dude |
| 18:18:09 | moot | your solution didn towrk |
| 18:18:23 | kergoth | moot: well i dunno what to tell you |
| 18:18:25 | moot | the changing doclnk |
| 18:18:29 | kergoth | moot: you havent given me any information |
| 18:18:30 | whardier | cp ./build/openobex-0.9.8/openobex-config /usr/bin/ |
| 18:18:31 | whardier | heh |
| 18:18:32 | moot | yes i have. |
| 18:18:37 | moot | you said change doclnk |
| 18:18:39 | kergoth | moot: 1) where is the package? 2) where are you installing it? root? cf? sd? |
| 18:18:46 | moot | installing to root |
| 18:18:47 | kergoth | moot: 3) are you installing from oipkg or from the commandline? |
| 18:18:47 | whardier | that worked |
| 18:18:54 | kergoth | moot: is there enough space in root for it? |
| 18:19:01 | moot | its in /mnt/cf/Documents/application/ipkg |
| 18:19:03 | whardier | sesnes a screenshot in the mail |
| 18:19:09 | moot | i dont know, ill try sd |
| 18:19:14 | moot | im using oipkg too |
| 18:19:38 | whardier | kergoth |
| 18:19:41 | whardier | master of big fonts |
| 18:19:44 | whardier | woot |
| 18:19:46 | whardier | make openzaurus |
| 18:19:50 | whardier | Installing openzaurus (3.0) |
| 18:19:50 | whardier | Configuring openzaurus...Done |
| 18:19:55 | whardier | finafuckingly |
| 18:20:12 | whardier | wonders what to do with all these happy ipk's he has now |
| 18:20:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:20:29 | kergoth | whardier: its installing them into root/ and will build an initrd |
| 18:20:31 | whardier | adds iproute2 |
| 18:21:13 | whardier | moot.. that screencap was X |
| 18:21:15 | scanline | is back (gone 00:44:28) |
| 18:21:39 | whardier | x2x -from :0 -to z:0 -south |
| 18:21:42 | whardier | I really enjoy that |
| 18:22:25 | Com[Plex | should I update "mount" ? |
| 18:22:37 | kergoth | Com[Plex: huh? |
| 18:22:41 | kergoth | Com[Plex: mount isnt in the feed, or shoudnt be |
| 18:22:45 | whardier | needs a new mount |
| 18:22:47 | Com[Plex | its listed in there |
| 18:22:47 | kergoth | Com[Plex: mount is partg of busybox |
| 18:23:05 | whardier | a blonde one |
| 18:23:05 | kergoth | whardier: heh, dont we all |
| 18:23:05 | LordDavon | kergoth: Is there an RPM for that version? |
| 18:23:16 | kergoth | LordDavon: ? the 2.95.3 crosscompiler? no, its just a tarball |
| 18:23:17 | Com[Plex | little orange box nnext to the word "mount" in the ipkg manager |
| 18:23:26 | kergoth | Com[Plex: um, read what i said again |
| 18:23:31 | kergoth | Com[Plex: the part about mount being part of busybox |
| 18:23:34 | kergoth | Com[Plex: you dont want that mount |
| 18:23:42 | Com[Plex | okeedoke. |
| 18:23:50 | Com[Plex | [15:28] <kergoth> Com[Plex: mount isnt in the feed, or shoudnt be : and im saying ists there. |
| 18:24:04 | kergoth | yeah, gotcha |
| 18:24:06 | kergoth | i'll take it out |
| 18:24:08 | kergoth | thanks |
| 18:24:41 | Com[Plex | thanx You :> |
| 18:24:48 | kergoth | np |
| 18:25:03 | Com[Plex | how about iptables? |
| 18:25:36 | kergoth | do you need it? |
| 18:26:25 | moot | bows to kerg ;p |
| 18:26:59 | Com[Plex | dont even know what it is |
| 18:27:05 | kergoth | then dont install it |
| 18:27:05 | Com[Plex | no description anywhere that I can see |
| 18:27:08 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:27:21 | kergoth | any packages that dont start with opie- .. dont install them if y ou dont know what they are |
| 18:29:06 | LordDavon | ok. I went into unix.mak and commented out the sound compile options. I hope this works. |
| 18:31:58 | LordDavon | What is the sound configuration in the zaurus anyways. Does it use Alsa? |
| 18:32:52 | kergoth | no |
| 18:32:55 | kergoth | just a /dev/dsp |
| 18:33:01 | kergoth | oss style |
| 18:33:08 | kergoth | but, its oss implementation blows |
| 18:33:11 | kergoth | so whatever |
| 18:33:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:34:18 | LordDavon | I wonder why qmame is compiling esound, alsa, etc... then |
| 18:35:13 | kergoth | no idea |
| 18:46:24 | moot | argh |
| 18:46:37 | moot | impossible to find a regular jack ethernet nic |
| 18:46:40 | moot | a cf type |
| 18:46:44 | moot | grrr theyre all wireless! |
| 18:46:48 | moot | anyone know where to buy one? |
| 18:47:07 | VerxHome | who wants wired when you can do wireless??? |
| 18:47:11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:48:03 | moot | wap = $$$ |
| 18:48:06 | kergoth | brb, food |
| 18:48:07 | moot | me != $$$ |
| 18:48:11 | moot | yeah i need some too :/ |
| 18:48:22 | VerxHome | is eating nachos right now |
| 18:48:24 | VerxHome | I just made them |
| 18:48:30 | ljp | cause wireless sux ass |
| 18:48:34 | VerxHome | cheese, salsa, sour cream, guacamole |
| 18:48:36 | VerxHome | mmmmmm |
| 18:48:39 | Tenchi | mmmm |
| 18:48:40 | Tenchi | yum |
| 18:48:55 | VerxHome | oh, and refried beans to |
| 18:49:06 | VerxHome | too |
| 18:50:09 | kergoth | eats his ramen and glares at VerxHome |
| 18:50:24 | VerxHome | hwh |
| 18:50:36 | VerxHome | well, I am out of beef and black olives for this set of nachos |
| 18:50:44 | VerxHome | so it isn't as bad as it could be |
| 18:50:45 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:50:54 | VerxHome | kergoth: I have a new plan |
| 18:51:00 | VerxHome | since I am installing everything to SD |
| 18:51:09 | VerxHome | after EVERY SINGLE new software install |
| 18:51:18 | VerxHome | I am gonna write myself an initrd image to CF |
| 18:51:25 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:51:35 | LordDavon | Ok. I disabled the sound hardware for phoenix and pleids. |
| 18:51:38 | VerxHome | that way |
| 18:51:42 | VerxHome | when my Z crashes |
| 18:51:42 | LordDavon | It seems to have helped. |
| 18:51:48 | VerxHome | I just have to restore that initrd |
| 18:51:52 | VerxHome | and I am back to where I was before |
| 18:52:29 | VerxHome | I will just continue this process until my Z starts surviving more than a day before it needs everything reinstalled |
| 18:52:32 | LordDavon | Just the es5505 and es5506 sound drivers were giving me a problem. I stopped them from compiling. |
| 18:54:06 | VerxHome | well kergoth |
| 18:54:12 | VerxHome | I am gonna buy myself a wireless CF card |
| 18:54:22 | VerxHome | and that means I need to eat ramen for a month or so |
| 18:54:24 | BigBoss | they're fun |
| 18:54:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:54:29 | kergoth | they are fun |
| 18:54:34 | kergoth | i still dont have a wap at home yet though |
| 18:54:35 | mickeyl | the really are fun |
| 18:54:44 | VerxHome | (I get a budget of $125 per two week period for gas, lunch at work, and personal stuff) |
| 18:55:00 | LordDavon | ok. Another 4 games disabled. |
| 18:55:18 | VerxHome | and I also use $20 to $25 of that to take my wife out on a date |
| 18:55:18 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:55:25 | VerxHome | (she does the same for me of course) |
| 18:55:59 | VerxHome | with gas being $30 to $50, the date being $25 or so, that leaves me about $65 for food and personal stuff |
| 18:56:16 | VerxHome | with ramen, I can have about $50 - $60 for personal |
| 18:56:20 | VerxHome | so I figure in a month |
| 18:56:24 | VerxHome | I can get a wireless CF card |
| 18:56:26 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 18:56:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56:33 | kergoth | my car drains me |
| 18:56:37 | VerxHome | yeah, me too |
| 18:56:47 | VerxHome | we just bought a new card on a 0% interest 2 year loan |
| 18:56:50 | VerxHome | the 0% is nice |
| 18:56:54 | kergoth | its only $200 a month for car payment, but insurance is $250 a month, and gas is about $60 every two weeks |
| 18:56:57 | VerxHome | but the 2 year loan means the payments are HUGE |
| 18:56:57 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 18:57:06 | kergoth | i guess |
| 18:57:10 | moot | hey kerg |
| 18:57:12 | VerxHome | well |
| 18:57:14 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1031.png |
| 18:57:16 | whardier | :) |
| 18:57:17 | moot | when i update ipkg form the feed on my flash |
| 18:57:19 | VerxHome | it has a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty |
| 18:57:20 | moot | should i restart opie |
| 18:57:28 | kergoth | moot: nah, dont need to |
| 18:57:29 | moot | or reboot my z or anything |
| 18:57:29 | VerxHome | so we will have 5 years of full warranty without payments |
| 18:57:31 | moot | oh ok |
| 18:57:37 | VerxHome | so it won't be that nice until it is paid off |
| 18:57:38 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:57:51 | moot | may finally be getting a gasp on oz :P |
| 18:57:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: nice |
| 18:57:54 | moot | 12 hours of mischief |
| 18:57:58 | kergoth | a gasp? |
| 18:58:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:58:04 | VerxHome | moot: heh, I have been like 3 days man |
| 18:58:06 | kergoth | gasps |
| 18:58:19 | VerxHome | although I am beginning to think my primary problem is some bad flash memory in my Z |
| 18:58:27 | LordDavon | Linking xmame.qte ... |
| 18:58:27 | LordDavon | /usr/lib/qt-embedded-2.3.2/lib/libqte.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 18:58:28 | LordDavon | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:58:34 | LordDavon | Have you seen that one? |
| 18:58:48 | moot | er |
| 18:58:51 | moot | grasp rather ;) |
| 19:00:43 | moot | crap. |
| 19:00:48 | moot | kerg i tried tkc |
| 19:00:50 | moot | on mtdram |
| 19:00:51 | moot | hold on |
| 19:01:46 | BigBoss | tried tkc for what? |
| 19:01:59 | kergoth | BigBoss: he's installing tkcplayer in OZ |
| 19:02:07 | BigBoss | is it working? |
| 19:02:08 | moot | ok heres what it says |
| 19:02:11 | kergoth | k |
| 19:02:15 | moot | Installing gpe-thekompany |
| 19:02:27 | moot | Configuring gpe-thekompany... DoneCould not open: |
| 19:02:33 | Cloudchaser | that has to go in flash |
| 19:02:45 | Cloudchaser | root |
| 19:02:47 | moot | yargh |
| 19:02:52 | moot | welp |
| 19:02:57 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:02:57 | moot | how do i uninstall |
| 19:03:06 | kergoth | tap on its icon in the package manager |
| 19:03:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:03:15 | mark | gpe-thekompany, is that some kinda sick joke? :) |
| 19:03:21 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:03:21 | moot | kreg |
| 19:03:24 | moot | its NOT there tho :P |
| 19:03:25 | kergoth | mark: i was gonna say that |
| 19:03:27 | moot | er qpe |
| 19:03:29 | moot | :P |
| 19:03:29 | kergoth | moot: ? |
| 19:03:32 | kergoth | moot: what isnt there? |
| 19:03:34 | Cloudchaser | once you uninstall something, you have to install it from the file manager or docs tab |
| 19:03:36 | moot | its not in oipkg |
| 19:03:37 | moot | the tkc |
| 19:04:01 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yeah i hate that bug |
| 19:04:01 | Cloudchaser | if you try it from the oipkg it tries to go to feed to get it |
| 19:04:24 | mark | gah, I cant move my windows about in enlightenment |
| 19:04:26 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thats a oipkg bug. you know the one where it tries to install it to a different dest that you told it to? |
| 19:04:33 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 19:04:40 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: where you tell it root but it goes to mtdram cause you installed it to mtdram before and uninstalled.. |
| 19:04:44 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thats a ipkg bug, not oipkg, apparently |
| 19:04:49 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: its caching the dest info somewhere |
| 19:04:55 | moot | wait |
| 19:04:59 | moot | how can i uninstall |
| 19:05:02 | moot | if i dont see it there |
| 19:05:05 | moot | ? |
| 19:05:09 | chouimat | re |
| 19:05:15 | Cloudchaser | are you sure its installed? |
| 19:05:20 | moot | well i guess not :/ |
| 19:05:47 | moot | yeah |
| 19:05:56 | moot | ./mnt/ram has space taken up |
| 19:06:05 | moot | it didnt before the install |
| 19:06:11 | Cloudchaser | there's some weirdnesses with installing packages |
| 19:06:33 | moot | can i just wipe it? |
| 19:06:42 | kergoth | feel free |
| 19:06:44 | Cloudchaser | wipe what? |
| 19:06:49 | moot | mnt/ram |
| 19:06:52 | kergoth | or full reset, which erases your mtdram device |
| 19:07:32 | moot | lol |
| 19:07:40 | moot | error, thekompany is already installed |
| 19:07:44 | moot | flash time ;) |
| 19:07:53 | Cloudchaser | i have that with vnc and couple others |
| 19:08:00 | Cloudchaser | can't install or uninstall them |
| 19:08:05 | Cloudchaser | its a pita |
| 19:08:34 | moot | hrm |
| 19:08:35 | moot | ok |
| 19:08:40 | moot | now i have to go thru my routine :/ |
| 19:08:44 | moot | set the security |
| 19:08:45 | mark | Cloudchaser, moot: check /var/ipkg (I think) |
| 19:08:48 | moot | change my resolv.conf |
| 19:08:53 | moot | mark: its flashing |
| 19:08:56 | moot | i flashed like 10min ago lol |
| 19:09:00 | mark | moot: hehe, dont then :P |
| 19:09:01 | moot | 7th today :P |
| 19:09:04 | moot | well |
| 19:09:08 | moot | its already started :P |
| 19:09:41 | Cloudchaser | i'll check |
| 19:09:44 | mark | moot: its not in var anyway, hmm, i cant remember wh ere it is :) |
| 19:09:57 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 19:09:58 | moot | "/ |
| 19:09:58 | mark | kergoth: where does ipkg store its status info? |
| 19:09:58 | moot | "/ |
| 19:10:13 | kergoth | /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 19:10:17 | kergoth | its a text file |
| 19:10:22 | kergoth | edit it if need be |
| 19:10:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:10:32 | mark | kergoth: thats it |
| 19:11:18 | mark | kergoth->helpfullness++ |
| 19:11:45 | kergoth | tries to find his helpfulness method |
| 19:11:57 | LordDavon | Got it. |
| 19:12:00 | LordDavon | heh |
| 19:12:00 | mark | kergoth: oh, its just a nasty public int :) |
| 19:12:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:12:26 | moot | wees |
| 19:12:31 | LordDavon | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lqte |
| 19:12:33 | LordDavon | hmmm |
| 19:12:35 | moot | rm -r /bowels/ |
| 19:12:39 | moot | i have a nasty tummy ache :( |
| 19:12:44 | moot | f |
| 19:12:46 | moot | meh :( |
| 19:12:57 | kergoth | LordDavon: -L$QTDIR/lib |
| 19:15:10 | mark | kergoth: btw, if ur compiling a lot (which I presume you are) you really should try ccache, it completely kicks arse |
| 19:15:43 | kergoth | mark: yeah, people keep telling me that :-) |
| 19:16:18 | mark | kergoth: heh, yeh, loosing the 'its compiling!' excuse can be a pain... |
| 19:16:19 | Cloudchaser | went through that file, the ones that show as installed in oipkg but are not, are not in that file |
| 19:16:23 | LordDavon | /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqte.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 19:16:29 | LordDavon | Back to this one now. ACK! |
| 19:16:34 | mark | LordDavon: you are linking against the x86 lib |
| 19:16:41 | Novas007 | aw crap |
| 19:16:45 | mark | LordDavon: you need to set QTDIR differently, /opt/Qtopia/sharp/ iirc |
| 19:16:46 | Novas007 | what do you do when an app crashes? |
| 19:17:01 | kergoth | Novas007: hope it doesnt crash again? |
| 19:17:17 | Novas007 | oh, nm, i thought i was totally locked out |
| 19:17:19 | LordDavon | You are right |
| 19:17:22 | LordDavon | Hold on. |
| 19:17:25 | LordDavon | ooops |
| 19:17:47 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 19:18:07 | chouimat | listens to Joe Satriani while coding is nessus client for qtopia (but to late for the contest :( ) |
| 19:18:44 | LordDavon | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -ljpeg |
| 19:18:48 | LordDavon | AACCKK!! |
| 19:18:55 | mark | kergoth: you know, lots of the winners of the last contest haven't even made their apps public |
| 19:18:57 | kergoth | LordDavon: i hate to say it, but rtfm |
| 19:19:13 | kergoth | LordDavon: the SourceCode page on opie.handhelds.org says you need libjpeg, and tells you where to get it |
| 19:19:18 | LordDavon | The sad part is that I thought I did. |
| 19:19:18 | kergoth | LordDavon: heh |
| 19:19:28 | mark | LordDavon: I know the feeling |
| 19:19:39 | LordDavon | Oh. Your right. I never pulled it off my zaurus |
| 19:19:49 | LordDavon | I remember that part. |
| 19:19:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:20:31 | LordDavon | I was on Debian when I started this. Had everything setup there and went back to Redhat since everything was RPM based. |
| 19:20:42 | kergoth | mark: i wonder how ccache would help kernel builds,. i make distclean and make over and over there at times.. |
| 19:20:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:20:47 | kolla | hohum |
| 19:20:54 | kergoth | LordDavon: alien -d is your friend |
| 19:20:55 | mark | LordDavon: alien would have sorted that |
| 19:21:00 | kergoth | LordDavon: alien -d blah.rpm = blah.deb |
| 19:21:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:21:09 | LordDavon | I used it, but it didn't do everything. |
| 19:21:14 | LordDavon | I still had problems. |
| 19:21:16 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:21:25 | kergoth | "everything" involves unpacking files |
| 19:21:28 | LordDavon | Once I get this all sorted out and understood, I am going back to Debian. |
| 19:21:30 | kergoth | for the qtopia sdk stuff anywya |
| 19:21:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:21:48 | kolla | what does that tux app do, apartfrom placing a tux in the taskbar? |
| 19:21:51 | mark | kergoth: should work well. It works bloody well for qt/kde cvs, saves me about 4 hours of compiling :) |
| 19:21:58 | kergoth | mark: damn |
| 19:22:01 | LordDavon | I figured I would get a fair understanding before tackling it in Debian again. |
| 19:22:10 | kergoth | mark: between compling and scp'ing shit around i waste a *lot* of time |
| 19:22:23 | kergoth | mark: i.e. my dev box is at home, when i code from work i have to scp shit back and force |
| 19:22:24 | kergoth | er |
| 19:22:26 | kergoth | forth |
| 19:22:29 | kergoth | blah |
| 19:22:36 | mark | hehe, back and force :) |
| 19:22:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:23:42 | mark | kergoth: don't you just use nfs? |
| 19:24:05 | mark | kergoth: well, evidently not, just wonderin why :) |
| 19:24:54 | moot | heh kerg |
| 19:24:58 | moot | im going on my 3rd try ::) |
| 19:25:47 | kergoth | mark: firewall |
| 19:25:53 | VerxHome | anyone know how to type a ctrl-d or something like that with the Z keyboard? |
| 19:25:54 | kergoth | mark: I suppose I could run nfs over ppp over ssh... |
| 19:25:57 | kergoth | mark: hehe |
| 19:26:12 | kergoth | mark: or have my box at home vpn into work, and nfs then |
| 19:26:26 | kolla | VerxHome: fn-shift-d |
| 19:27:02 | kolla | unless you're in console mode, then it is eh.. whatever that leftmost of the application buttons are + d |
| 19:27:13 | moot | hmm |
| 19:27:14 | kolla | s/are/is |
| 19:27:19 | moot | whats busybox for |
| 19:27:29 | kolla | moot: saving space and annoy :) |
| 19:27:32 | kergoth | 1563 messages, 1016 unread |
| 19:27:34 | moot | ahh :P |
| 19:27:35 | kergoth | ahh!! |
| 19:27:39 | moot | so i WONT update that |
| 19:27:39 | moot | lol |
| 19:27:42 | mark | kergoth: fun fun fun |
| 19:27:42 | moot | id hate to be you |
| 19:27:51 | kolla | moot: most of the commands are softlinks to busybox |
| 19:27:52 | moot | *click delete all* |
| 19:27:56 | VerxHome | kolla: fn-shift-d works, but not fn-shift-c |
| 19:27:56 | VerxHome | :( |
| 19:27:57 | kergoth | moot: the new busybox includes mkfifo. the fb vnc server wont work without the latest |
| 19:28:03 | mark | is away: food |
| 19:28:04 | moot | well |
| 19:28:07 | kolla | VerxHome: beacuse fn-c is ctrl-c |
| 19:28:08 | moot | i dont need fb vnc :) |
| 19:28:24 | kolla | I assume someone thought it would be smart to simplyfy ctrl-c since it is used a heck lot more |
| 19:28:24 | kergoth | fn+shift+c works.. |
| 19:28:38 | VerxHome | no kergoth |
| 19:28:40 | VerxHome | kolla got it |
| 19:28:46 | kolla | is da dude |
| 19:28:49 | Cloudchaser | kergoth aren't there other issues with vnc too? |
| 19:28:49 | kergoth | yes yes i know fn+c is it |
| 19:28:51 | VerxHome | function c works |
| 19:28:52 | moot | YES! |
| 19:28:54 | moot | thank the lord@! |
| 19:28:54 | kergoth | but so is fn+shift+c |
| 19:28:57 | VerxHome | well |
| 19:28:59 | moot | thekompany installed |
| 19:29:01 | moot | it only took hours ;) |
| 19:29:03 | VerxHome | fn+shift+c doesn't work for me |
| 19:29:10 | VerxHome | but function+c does |
| 19:29:12 | moot | im slowly learning what " |
| 19:29:17 | moot | order" i have to install in :P |
| 19:29:19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: iirc. ljp was hacking at it. theres a new fbvncserver ipk on opie.us in the DevZone that you may want to try |
| 19:29:28 | kolla | VerxHome: it's all in the zaurus faq |
| 19:29:46 | VerxHome | kolla: I will have to read that |
| 19:29:49 | kergoth | kolla: theres also a keymap PDF on hte zaurus dev site. |
| 19:29:52 | VerxHome | kolla: I am in kindof a weird spot |
| 19:29:56 | kolla | ah.. cute.. cyrillic for the Z :) |
| 19:29:58 | Cloudchaser | kergoth ok, but i have to manually uninstall the curent one |
| 19:30:06 | VerxHome | I have been using an ipaq with Opie since February |
| 19:30:08 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ah |
| 19:30:14 | VerxHome | so the Z feels like something very familiar |
| 19:30:14 | kolla | kergoth: users dont bother with dev-sites :) |
| 19:30:20 | VerxHome | but it is subtly different in many ways |
| 19:30:28 | Cloudchaser | ljp told me how |
| 19:30:28 | kergoth | kolla: i know, just pointing it out :-) |
| 19:30:34 | moot | goddamn :( |
| 19:30:48 | kergoth | moot: dood, your excited oen minute, crashing hte next |
| 19:30:48 | VerxHome | anyone with the sharp rom - what happens when you do function+spacebar? |
| 19:30:50 | kergoth | moot: whats up |
| 19:30:53 | moot | lol |
| 19:30:53 | kolla | kergoth: I forgot all about mailing you btw :) |
| 19:30:56 | kergoth | VerxHome: depends |
| 19:30:57 | moot | tkc playuer didnt install |
| 19:30:57 | VerxHome | the "symbol" thing doesn't seem to do anything on OZ |
| 19:31:01 | moot | it has to go on root i guess |
| 19:31:02 | kergoth | VerxHome: in console, its pipe |
| 19:31:04 | moot | i tried mtdram |
| 19:31:08 | moot | i did tkc on root |
| 19:31:12 | kolla | VerxHome: symbol thing? |
| 19:31:12 | moot | and player on mtdram, no worky |
| 19:31:15 | whardier | Wow |
| 19:31:22 | whardier | this was supposed to come to me on monday |
| 19:31:26 | whardier | its saturday |
| 19:31:26 | VerxHome | it says above the spacebar "symbol" |
| 19:31:27 | whardier | I love netflix |
| 19:31:27 | kergoth | moot: player should be able to go anywhere in theory.. but i dont have it, so who knows |
| 19:31:37 | moot | er video) |
| 19:31:39 | kolla | VerxHome: oh.. well.. shift-space gives pipe |
| 19:31:40 | kergoth | VerxHome: yeah it opens a inputmethod |
| 19:31:41 | moot | tkcvideo, but hwatever :/ |
| 19:31:47 | kolla | I assume the pipe is the symbol |
| 19:31:49 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: did you fix those touch commands? |
| 19:31:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: shift+space is pipe in opie, fn+space opens one of the input methods |
| 19:32:01 | moot | flashes again. |
| 19:32:06 | Cloudchaser | player i pt in mtdram |
| 19:32:07 | moot | 8th in 12 hours :/ |
| 19:32:08 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: some of them.. hehe. thanks for the reminder.. i hate the drudge work.. vi * |
| 19:32:08 | Cloudchaser | put |
| 19:32:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:32:11 | moot | oz hates me :( |
| 19:32:16 | Cloudchaser | why are you flashig again? |
| 19:32:17 | kolla | ah yes.. fn-space opens unicode input |
| 19:32:23 | kergoth | moot: you dont have to relfash if it fails to install to mtdram... |
| 19:32:26 | VerxHome | kergoth: I can't seem to get it to open an input method |
| 19:32:32 | moot | kerg |
| 19:32:33 | VerxHome | fn+space doesn't do anything noticable |
| 19:32:33 | kergoth | moot: your problem is, you just reflash over everything |
| 19:32:33 | [DrEvil] | everything in openzaurus depends seems to be building |
| 19:32:37 | moot | but it said that its |
| 19:32:40 | moot | it said that erm |
| 19:32:42 | moot | its already installed |
| 19:32:43 | kergoth | VerxHome: kolla just called it, it opens unicode |
| 19:32:48 | moot | and its partially installed |
| 19:32:52 | moot | but it cant use |
| 19:32:53 | moot | it |
| 19:32:59 | Cloudchaser | are you out of space? |
| 19:33:00 | kergoth | moot: it cant use it? how so? |
| 19:33:04 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 19:33:08 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: he did that once earlier.. hehe |
| 19:33:09 | VerxHome | wish it opened jumpx |
| 19:33:10 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:33:16 | kergoth | VerxHome: yeah me too |
| 19:33:17 | kergoth | VerxHome: heh |
| 19:33:19 | moot | kerhg |
| 19:33:23 | moot | it FAILED to install :/ |
| 19:33:24 | kergoth | VerxHome: opie needs something like loadkeys or xmodmap |
| 19:33:26 | moot | it wouldnt install |
| 19:33:32 | moot | it doesnt show up installed either |
| 19:33:34 | kergoth | moot: okay.... |
| 19:33:35 | kolla | VerxHome: would be nice if one could config it to open whatever you like yes :) |
| 19:33:38 | moot | but ipkg thinks it is |
| 19:33:41 | moot | and theres something on mtdra |
| 19:33:43 | moot | m |
| 19:33:46 | VerxHome | kergoth: And it needs it desperately |
| 19:33:56 | Cloudchaser | hmm i installed it with no problem..did you update oipkg and ipkg after you flashed? |
| 19:33:58 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 19:33:58 | VerxHome | ok |
| 19:34:00 | VerxHome | well |
| 19:34:01 | kergoth | moot: edit /usr/lib/ipkg/status .. remove the entries for tkc-player, and wipe your mtdram, and you'll bbe fine |
| 19:34:02 | VerxHome | I have concluded |
| 19:34:05 | VerxHome | when my Z is working |
| 19:34:06 | VerxHome | I love it |
| 19:34:09 | VerxHome | when it isn't |
| 19:34:11 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:34:11 | VerxHome | well, you know. . . |
| 19:34:35 | VerxHome | I do really hope they fix the qpe load problem |
| 19:34:38 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: let me know when you have it all fixed I will test it |
| 19:34:42 | VerxHome | that is pretty major methinks |
| 19:34:46 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: will do |
| 19:34:49 | kolla | since ysterday I have been running my /usr readlony on the SD.. it appears faster readonly.. does that make sense? :) |
| 19:35:28 | Cloudchaser | kergoth is the vnc vnc-3.3.3r2 unixsrc.tgz? |
| 19:35:36 | [DrEvil] | is bash part of busybox? |
| 19:35:45 | Com[Plex | nope |
| 19:35:49 | kolla | [DrEvil]: no |
| 19:36:11 | moot | kerg |
| 19:36:13 | moot | its not there. |
| 19:36:16 | moot | i see no mention of tkcplayer |
| 19:36:20 | moot | qpe-tkcplayer |
| 19:36:20 | moot | whatever |
| 19:36:26 | VerxHome | at some point later today |
| 19:36:28 | Cloudchaser | or fnbvncserver_0.1.1.tar.gz |
| 19:36:29 | moot | er video, grrrr i keep confusing the too |
| 19:36:39 | [DrEvil] | why isn't bash part of openzaurus depends |
| 19:36:42 | VerxHome | I need to get mame, scummvm, and exult working on my Z |
| 19:36:44 | kergoth | moot: check /usr/lib/ipkg/status, /mnt/ram/usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 19:36:46 | kolla | [DrEvil]: that is.. I havent seen any bash in OZ, only ash and sh |
| 19:36:50 | moot | kerg |
| 19:36:50 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: because we use ash from busybox as the main shell |
| 19:36:52 | moot | i am. |
| 19:36:55 | kergoth | kolla: bash is in the feed, but no tinstalled |
| 19:36:56 | VerxHome | then I will have everything installed that I had installed on my iPAQ |
| 19:36:58 | kolla | both of _Them_ are softlinks to busybox |
| 19:36:59 | moot | i opened it in vi |
| 19:37:03 | moot | i scanned thru it |
| 19:37:03 | moot | its not there |
| 19:37:11 | kergoth | moot: both status files? |
| 19:37:15 | kolla | kergoth: ok |
| 19:37:16 | kergoth | moot: on mnt/ram and /? |
| 19:37:22 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 19:37:22 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 19:37:23 | moot | oops :/ |
| 19:37:29 | moot | kills self |
| 19:37:47 | kergoth | moot: when you install something to a dest other than root, it puts its info in the ipkg databse on that medium.. |
| 19:37:59 | VerxHome | kergoth: Let me thank you again, very sincerely, for your efforts on OZ |
| 19:38:08 | kergoth | np, its still sorta hackish yet |
| 19:38:13 | kergoth | but we'll get there |
| 19:38:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:38:16 | VerxHome | but god the potential! |
| 19:38:18 | Cloudchaser | seems a losing battle sometimes |
| 19:38:26 | Cloudchaser | fix something, something else breaks |
| 19:38:26 | moot | kerg |
| 19:38:29 | kolla | suggests putting the ipkg files somewhere else than /usr/lib/ipkg/* |
| 19:38:31 | moot | so like if you remove say that card |
| 19:38:34 | moot | it wont show it as installed? |
| 19:38:38 | kolla | but that's me :) |
| 19:38:39 | moot | thats why there two? |
| 19:38:41 | LordDavon | brb |
| 19:38:44 | kergoth | moot: correct. |
| 19:38:45 | VerxHome | I really wish I could turn on my Z and launch a new program quicker than it does |
| 19:38:52 | VerxHome | I miss that from my palm VERY VERY VERY VERY much |
| 19:38:55 | moot | erm |
| 19:38:58 | moot | it says |
| 19:39:02 | kergoth | moot: the only lame thing is, we ned to make it so that when you insert a new card, it creates the symlinks, and removes them on eject |
| 19:39:03 | moot | Version: 1.5.0-14 |
| 19:39:06 | VerxHome | you gotta give the palm that - it was fast at turning on and launching things |
| 19:39:08 | moot | Status ok installed |
| 19:39:09 | moot | thats it... |
| 19:39:13 | kergoth | moot: cause then i could give you my card and you could run the apps |
| 19:39:15 | moot | er nm |
| 19:39:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:39:18 | moot | ok ill edit that out |
| 19:39:19 | kergoth | k |
| 19:39:28 | moot | odd |
| 19:39:31 | moot | i cant highlight the top line |
| 19:39:32 | moot | with vi |
| 19:39:36 | kergoth | moot: or jus change the state from installed to uninstalled |
| 19:39:40 | VerxHome | kergoth: That would be "-*GODLIKE*-" |
| 19:39:54 | moot | well |
| 19:39:54 | kergoth | VerxHome: you wouldnt have to reinstall apps to sd after reflash.. ;-) |
| 19:39:56 | moot | i deleted all the lines |
| 19:40:00 | moot | kerg: can i delete that file |
| 19:40:02 | kergoth | moot: thatll do too |
| 19:40:05 | moot | well theres 1 line i cant delete |
| 19:40:07 | VerxHome | kergoth: What would it take to make that happen? |
| 19:40:10 | kergoth | moot: if you dont have anything else installed to mtdram, yes |
| 19:40:15 | moot | Package: tkc qpe-tkcvideo |
| 19:40:19 | moot | ok |
| 19:40:24 | moot | rm -rf that folder? |
| 19:40:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: make mediummount call a function to create links and remove links on insert/eject |
| 19:40:36 | VerxHome | kergoth: Basically walk the directory tree, symlinking back to / as you go? |
| 19:40:40 | kergoth | VerxHome: actually eject we may have to handle in the applet.. |
| 19:40:41 | wezzel | Hello, I'm looking to get another. CF card and SD Secure card. What are the largest sizes thay work? |
| 19:40:43 | kergoth | VerxHome: no, no need |
| 19:40:49 | kergoth | VerxHome: theres a ipkg database on the card |
| 19:40:49 | kolla | VerxHome: any PDA beats the Z in that respect.. any PDA not running some *ix :) |
| 19:40:53 | kergoth | VerxHome: we just parse it for installed apps |
| 19:41:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: and symlink only those files |
| 19:41:00 | moot | sd = 128mb on the market really |
| 19:41:00 | moot | i think theres a 256 |
| 19:41:03 | moot | ive never seen it |
| 19:41:06 | VerxHome | kergoth: lord man |
| 19:41:09 | VerxHome | at that point |
| 19:41:11 | kergoth | VerxHome: we could also make the docs tab not show files that are in that database!! |
| 19:41:13 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 19:41:17 | kolla | wezzel: I have a 512MB CF card, works just fine |
| 19:41:22 | VerxHome | trying different oz's out |
| 19:41:24 | VerxHome | would be so kickarse |
| 19:41:24 | kergoth | VerxHome: then the icons and crap from files installed there wouldnt appear in the sd |
| 19:41:32 | kergoth | er |
| 19:41:34 | kergoth | appear in the docs tab |
| 19:41:37 | kergoth | blah |
| 19:41:37 | VerxHome | the documents tab you mean |
| 19:41:38 | VerxHome | right |
| 19:41:42 | VerxHome | hell |
| 19:41:51 | VerxHome | I haven't ever seen a purpose for the docs tab anyway |
| 19:41:57 | wezzel | excelent thanks... |
| 19:41:58 | kolla | wezzel: also a 128MB SD card, usually the size supported by wallet is less than size supported by the zaurus :) |
| 19:41:59 | kergoth | right now thats my number one wish for opie, along with getting oipkg's UI fixed up |
| 19:42:00 | VerxHome | I don't think I have even tapped on it in like 6 months |
| 19:42:16 | moot | kerg |
| 19:42:18 | kergoth | VerxHome: docs tab needs to become a file manager, withmultiple view modes |
| 19:42:20 | moot | can i wipe my mtdram too? |
| 19:42:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: :-) |
| 19:42:27 | moot | rm -rf /mnt/ram |
| 19:42:27 | moot | ? |
| 19:42:28 | VerxHome | kergoth: heh |
| 19:42:35 | kergoth | VerxHome: with the option to select either show docs or shiow all files |
| 19:42:41 | kergoth | VerxHome: basically inline a OFileSelector |
| 19:42:43 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 19:42:50 | VerxHome | kergoth: My #2 wish for opie - WHEN A FRIGGING APP EXITS, REMOVE THE GOLDANGED MAFRIGGING ICON FROM THE DAMNED LAUNCH BAR |
| 19:42:56 | kergoth | moot: dont remove /mnt/ram .. rm -rf /mnt/ram/* instead |
| 19:43:01 | kolla | kergoth: the Docs tab should at least be smart enough to _not_ follow symlinks :) |
| 19:43:01 | kergoth | VerxHome: 90% of apps do |
| 19:43:03 | VerxHome | that is my #2 want |
| 19:43:40 | moot | k |
| 19:43:40 | kergoth | VerxHome: its a *app* problem |
| 19:43:40 | XavierXeon | kergoth: doc tab as file manager is a brilliant idea |
| 19:43:40 | VerxHome | kergoth: I know, but those other 10% mean I have to restart opie |
| 19:43:40 | kergoth | VerxHome: ah to save ram? |
| 19:43:40 | VerxHome | kergoth: heh |
| 19:43:40 | VerxHome | no |
| 19:43:40 | moot | done |
| 19:43:40 | VerxHome | I have so many applets installed |
| 19:43:41 | kergoth | VerxHome: ? |
| 19:44:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:44:08 | VerxHome | I need the frigging room |
| 19:44:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: ohhh yeah |
| 19:44:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: heh |
| 19:44:08 | VerxHome | otherwise I can't choose an app to switch to |
| 19:44:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: I want the start menu to go away |
| 19:44:08 | VerxHome | :(((( |
| 19:44:08 | kolla | VerxHome: yes, wouldnt that be nice :) |
| 19:44:08 | VerxHome | me too |
| 19:44:08 | treke|home | v b ~/j/away |
| 19:44:09 | VerxHome | it serves NO purpose |
| 19:44:09 | kergoth | VerxHome: and a bar that has arrows to scroll through running apps |
| 19:44:09 | kergoth | VerxHome: ala matchbox |
| 19:44:09 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:44:17 | VerxHome | the start menu is something I have used -*ONCE*- |
| 19:44:19 | moot | hah |
| 19:44:20 | VerxHome | kergoth: Yeah, that is one thing matchbox did PERFECT |
| 19:44:21 | moot | take the tkcvideo |
| 19:44:23 | moot | finally it worked :( |
| 19:44:26 | moot | it has to be rooted for me :/ |
| 19:44:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: agreed |
| 19:44:36 | kergoth | VerxHome: we should learn from things like that |
| 19:44:40 | kolla | really wants NewtonOS on his zaurus... or better yes.. amigaos.. but I dont see any of them coming RSN :) |
| 19:44:44 | kolla | yet |
| 19:44:45 | kergoth | VerxHome: i dont have the time, or i'd be all over fixing that shit |
| 19:44:49 | moot | really really :/ |
| 19:44:53 | moot | whats the point of the start menu :P |
| 19:44:57 | moot | you have freaking tabs heh |
| 19:45:02 | VerxHome | kergoth: I am learning more and more code |
| 19:45:06 | VerxHome | in another 5 years or so |
| 19:45:08 | VerxHome | I will be able to help |
| 19:45:09 | VerxHome | :))) |
| 19:45:11 | kolla | moot: there is no point :) |
| 19:45:20 | moot | hehe :) |
| 19:45:24 | kergoth | moot: its only good to run a second app when you're in another app, and the app has swiped the home button so the home button wont take you back to the launcher |
| 19:45:35 | moot | ahhh |
| 19:45:40 | kergoth | moot: which is why i want a app list / arrows to scroll through running apps like in matchbox |
| 19:45:48 | kergoth | moot: which would let you get back to the launcher regardless |
| 19:45:52 | VerxHome | kergoth: In those cases, that second app is sysinfo cuz I am gonna be kill -9'ing the first app |
| 19:45:53 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:45:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 19:46:00 | kolla | kergoth: and how often is that? :) |
| 19:46:31 | kergoth | kolla: not often, most apps leave Home button alone |
| 19:46:45 | kergoth | personally, i'm tempted to jump into the code just to disable the start menu |
| 19:46:53 | kergoth | so i have more room for running apps and applets |
| 19:46:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:47:00 | kolla | except from a few games I know... here you're playing like mad and accidently hit the home button.. and frigging tabs come up :) |
| 19:47:18 | kergoth | kolla: hehe |
| 19:47:20 | kergoth | kolla: i hate that |
| 19:47:30 | moot | sweet |
| 19:47:33 | moot | i can watch divx ;) |
| 19:47:39 | kolla | kergoth: how about a "running apps" applet? :) |
| 19:47:46 | moot | hey kerg, what does the thing use for its ram to store vids while they play |
| 19:47:49 | moot | mtdram or root |
| 19:47:53 | moot | or am i jsut an idiot |
| 19:47:59 | moot | like can i free anything up to make them run smoother? |
| 19:48:07 | kolla | kergoth: yes, reminds me of the darn windows keys when playing old doom on the PC :) |
| 19:48:22 | kergoth | moot: ram != mtdram != root |
| 19:48:27 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 19:48:28 | kergoth | moot: it uses *ram* |
| 19:48:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:48:33 | moot | i see ;0) |
| 19:48:35 | kergoth | moot: are you using opieplayer? |
| 19:48:36 | moot | anything i can do to free some up |
| 19:48:45 | VerxHome | I think the "start menu" should simply become your "currently running apps" list |
| 19:48:45 | kergoth | moot: ah no its tkcvideo right? |
| 19:48:46 | moot | no i couldnt get opieplayer to work |
| 19:48:48 | kolla | I tried a few divx, but it was slide show with sound at best |
| 19:48:49 | kergoth | moot: not to my knowledge.. |
| 19:48:49 | moot | it wouldnt play ANY of the media |
| 19:48:55 | VerxHome | that would be best in my opinion |
| 19:48:56 | moot | said it didnt have a codec |
| 19:48:58 | kergoth | moot: fyi, upcoming opieplayer2 can play ogg, divx, etc |
| 19:48:58 | VerxHome | more room for applets |
| 19:49:02 | VerxHome | it would be best all around |
| 19:49:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: agreed |
| 19:49:05 | moot | yeah i hear that |
| 19:49:07 | moot | ill use that |
| 19:49:23 | kolla | then it needs to shape up :) |
| 19:49:32 | kergoth | moot: pester tkc about ram usage, there isnt much you can do about that |
| 19:49:33 | kolla | moot: dont expect miracles :) |
| 19:49:40 | VerxHome | ok, gotta do some cleanup around here |
| 19:49:40 | kergoth | moot: other than picking a kernel with less ramdisk |
| 19:49:40 | VerxHome | bbiaf |
| 19:49:41 | moot | i know |
| 19:49:44 | moot | i mean its just a pda ;) |
| 19:49:46 | moot | hehe |
| 19:49:55 | moot | i dont expect to watch LOTR on it :P |
| 19:50:03 | moot | unless i have a microdrive :/ |
| 19:50:07 | moot | but theyre too hot |
| 19:50:12 | moot | i could rig up a cf extender |
| 19:50:12 | kergoth | moot: its fun for the showoff factor |
| 19:50:16 | moot | say with a old ide cable |
| 19:50:18 | kergoth | moot: make the coworkers drool |
| 19:50:20 | VerxHome | moot: Actually, MANY MANY people are watching LOTR from their SD cards |
| 19:50:21 | moot | lol |
| 19:50:26 | moot | more like my "friends" |
| 19:50:31 | moot | is still a chillin |
| 19:50:31 | kergoth | that too |
| 19:50:33 | kolla | kergoth: well, if it works |
| 19:50:33 | moot | :) |
| 19:50:35 | moot | im a little boy |
| 19:50:38 | moot | guess how old ;) |
| 19:50:41 | VerxHome | 11? |
| 19:50:44 | XavierXeon | 2 |
| 19:50:44 | moot | no :P |
| 19:50:45 | chouimat | 7 |
| 19:50:48 | moot | !!! |
| 19:50:49 | kergoth | 14 |
| 19:50:51 | moot | gah |
| 19:50:51 | VerxHome | ducks. :))) |
| 19:50:53 | moot | kerg = right |
| 19:50:54 | moot | heh |
| 19:50:56 | XavierXeon | pi |
| 19:51:00 | moot | verx: wtf lotr on 128mb sd? |
| 19:51:01 | moot | :P |
| 19:51:02 | kergoth | lol XavierXeon |
| 19:51:05 | moot | lol |
| 19:51:05 | VerxHome | moot: Yeah |
| 19:51:08 | moot | how |
| 19:51:09 | VerxHome | just a sec |
| 19:51:11 | kolla | I have tried to watch a few music videos and trailers, but the lack of CPU is obvious |
| 19:51:12 | VerxHome | lemme get the email |
| 19:51:21 | kolla | CPU power that is :) |
| 19:51:22 | VerxHome | supposedly they come out quite nice |
| 19:51:35 | VerxHome | I have to use each of these programs below to do it. |
| 19:51:35 | VerxHome | |
| 19:51:35 | VerxHome | 1. Clad DVD - Vreate VOB files |
| 19:51:35 | VerxHome | 2. DVD2AVI - Creates WAV audio |
| 19:51:35 | VerxHome | 3. VFAPI - Create virtual avi file |
| 19:51:36 | VerxHome | 4. Virtual Dub - Create final mpeg4 |
| 19:51:41 | kergoth | i havent seen cpu probs with my Z playing video... more ram in my experience, and speed of the media |
| 19:51:51 | VerxHome | here is the other bit: |
| 19:51:52 | VerxHome | When I do this I rip the DVD which comes as 720x480...I use Virtual Dub with a |
| 19:51:53 | VerxHome | filter to resize it to 240x160. I also find it useful to add ~15% Brightness |
| 19:51:53 | VerxHome | with another filter.(This makes it easier to view on the Z). I encode the audio |
| 19:51:53 | VerxHome | to MPEG-3 24@22,000. You then need to decide which compress you want to use |
| 19:51:53 | VerxHome | for conversion to MPEG4. I use the Microsoft V2 MPEG4 I then configure it to |
| 19:51:54 | VerxHome | lower the data rate. Depending on the length of the movie this data rate can |
| 19:51:56 | VerxHome | change. Ideally a 256Meg would work perfect because then the data rate could be a |
| 19:51:58 | VerxHome | higher which will improve the quality. But The 128 Meg card works fine. |
| 19:52:12 | VerxHome | oops, sorry for the massive flood. :((((( I thought more of that would be on one line. :((( |
| 19:52:16 | kolla | kergoth: ok, could be the CF card is too slow.. heh |
| 19:52:30 | kergoth | kolla: try it on the ramdisk if its small enough, just as a test |
| 19:52:35 | kergoth | kolla: cause ram is plenty fast ;-) |
| 19:52:36 | moot | verx |
| 19:52:38 | moot | well who sent that :P |
| 19:52:39 | kolla | dont have any ramdisk atm |
| 19:52:42 | moot | i need to get that ;) |
| 19:52:55 | VerxHome | the MAIN thing is, on OZ, you -*HAVE*- to reboot before playing a video |
| 19:52:57 | kolla | could put it in /tmp I guess |
| 19:53:05 | VerxHome | when qpe is taking 90% cpu, things don't run very well |
| 19:53:08 | Cloudchaser | VerxHome that is so true! |
| 19:53:24 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: I sent the opie folks an email |
| 19:53:29 | Cloudchaser | cool |
| 19:53:29 | VerxHome | trying to inform them of the problem |
| 19:53:33 | kolla | well, that's the price for all those fancy icons :) |
| 19:53:34 | kergoth | muahahahhaa |
| 19:53:38 | kergoth | fuck! |
| 19:53:38 | VerxHome | I made it SUPER easy for them to confirm it |
| 19:53:39 | kergoth | I just burnt ramen! |
| 19:53:44 | VerxHome | hopefully they will fix it |
| 19:53:49 | kergoth | I burnt soup! |
| 19:53:49 | VerxHome | kergoth: How do you burn ramen?!?!? |
| 19:53:51 | kergoth | shoots self |
| 19:53:55 | VerxHome | you pour water on it. . . |
| 19:54:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: yes, all the water boiled away.. |
| 19:54:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: ... |
| 19:54:09 | kergoth | VerxHome: lol |
| 19:54:11 | moot | divx plays nicely |
| 19:54:20 | Cloudchaser | are the opie folks responsive to things like that? |
| 19:54:20 | kolla | eh.. you boil ramen? |
| 19:54:24 | moot | mpg = jump |
| 19:54:27 | VerxHome | cloudchaser |
| 19:54:28 | VerxHome | sec |
| 19:54:30 | VerxHome | lemme try something |
| 19:54:45 | kolla | I just boil the water and pour it over and let it stay for a 4-5 minutes :) |
| 19:55:11 | kergoth | kolla: well now, thats safer istn it |
| 19:55:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:55:19 | kergoth | wafts smoke out of his living room |
| 19:55:39 | kolla | no idea, I just blindly follow the instructions on the package... :) |
| 19:55:46 | moot | should i dl opie-mediaplayer from the feed |
| 19:55:49 | moot | will that play divx? |
| 19:55:52 | kolla | moot: no |
| 19:55:55 | kergoth | moot: wait for opieplayer2. |
| 19:55:59 | moot | ok |
| 19:56:03 | kergoth | moot: its still in the testing phase |
| 19:56:07 | moot | i see |
| 19:56:33 | kolla | speaking of.. how does the datatype recognition stuff work? |
| 19:56:33 | Cloudchaser | you hav tkc player right? |
| 19:56:51 | kergoth | kolla: ? |
| 19:57:07 | Cloudchaser | i mean tkc video? |
| 19:57:22 | XavierXeon | kolla: you mean which app for which file type ? |
| 19:57:22 | kolla | I have a bunch of ogg files, and the mediaplayer2 puts playlist icons on them and stuff the desktop files x-mpeglist directory :) |
| 19:57:27 | moot | i have tkc video now |
| 19:57:31 | mark | is back (gone 00:29:28) |
| 19:57:33 | kolla | XavierXeon: yes |
| 19:57:50 | kergoth | kolla: $QPEDIR/etc/mime.types |
| 19:57:57 | kergoth | kolla: and the .desktop file associates app to mime type |
| 19:58:05 | kolla | ah, ok |
| 19:58:07 | kergoth | kolla: mime.types associates extension with mime type |
| 19:58:34 | mark | cool, news of a Qtopia PDA in india |
| 19:58:38 | kolla | mumbles something about mime being for mail... |
| 19:58:48 | kergoth | mark: kaii |
| 19:58:53 | kergoth | mark: it'll be cheap too |
| 19:58:56 | kergoth | mark: :-) |
| 19:58:59 | mark | kergoth: thats the jobbie. |
| 19:59:12 | mark | hopes th ey like chess in india :) |
| 19:59:13 | moot | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=331 <--- lol |
| 19:59:15 | kolla | audio/ogg ogg |
| 19:59:20 | moot | it was only a matter of time :) |
| 19:59:25 | kolla | not like any program seem to care :) |
| 19:59:28 | moot | i have alot of ogg on my lappy |
| 19:59:31 | moot | likes ogg |
| 19:59:38 | kolla | me too |
| 19:59:40 | kolla | but ... |
| 19:59:57 | kolla | please tell the datatype system is smarter than just relying on filename extesntions? |
| 20:00:09 | kolla | extensions |
| 20:00:43 | kergoth | kolla: no, its not smarter. imho, it should use something like file's magic method |
| 20:00:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:00:53 | kolla | uh oh :) |
| 20:01:16 | kergoth | mutters about being in unix and still having to rely on "extension"s |
| 20:01:19 | kolla | so where do the apps sign in that they support this and that filetypes and forces their icons upon them? |
| 20:01:21 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/bluedesk.png <--- my new desktop color scheme is killing me :) |
| 20:01:31 | mark | kergoth: yeah, its ugly |
| 20:01:39 | kergoth | kolla: like i just said, the app's .desktop file |
| 20:01:40 | kolla | unix is ugly :) |
| 20:01:47 | kolla | kergoth: aha.. |
| 20:01:55 | kolla | sorry, I didnt get that |
| 20:02:07 | kergoth | kolla: dont ask me how it handles multiple apps registering for the same mime type, cause i have no idea |
| 20:02:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:02:09 | [DrEvil] | ipkg_conf_parse_file: failed to open /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/root/etc/ipkg.conf: No such file or directory |
| 20:02:23 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: that should only happen once, and its harmless |
| 20:02:32 | [DrEvil] | pkg_run_script: `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/root/usr/lib/ipkg/info/netkit-base.postinst configure' failed: No such file or directory. |
| 20:02:32 | [DrEvil] | ERROR: netkit-base.postinst returned 127 |
| 20:02:36 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: it happens when oz-base goes to install, cause oz-base installs ipkg.conf :-) |
| 20:03:01 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: the failing postinsts arent a concern, cause we run them on first boot during hte "Reconfiguring packages..." stage anyway |
| 20:03:11 | [DrEvil] | mmmk |
| 20:03:14 | kolla | kergoth: ok :) |
| 20:03:28 | [DrEvil] | Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for sysvinit: |
| 20:03:29 | [DrEvil] | util-linux e2fsprogs |
| 20:03:33 | [DrEvil] | don't forget to fix that |
| 20:03:43 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: that ones fixed in cvs :-) |
| 20:04:52 | kolla | uhm.. how is this supposed to make sense then... hum.. |
| 20:05:22 | kergoth | kolla: ? |
| 20:05:36 | kolla | the mediaplayer.desktop |
| 20:06:06 | kolla | the x-ogg |
| 20:06:11 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:06:22 | kolla | cutie Applications # grep ogg /opt/Qtopia/etc/mime.types |
| 20:06:22 | kolla | audio/ogg ogg |
| 20:06:48 | kolla | the desktopfile says audio/x-ogg |
| 20:06:56 | kolla | so that's why it doesnt work I assume |
| 20:07:45 | kolla | but which is more correct... hehe |
| 20:09:05 | XavierXeon | MimeType=audio/mpeg;audio/ogg |
| 20:09:06 | XavierXeon | in .desktop file,"application/x-ogg ogg" & "audio/ogg ogg" in mime.types |
| 20:09:46 | kolla | yes, I assume the mime.type files is wrong |
| 20:10:04 | [DrEvil] | so does make openzaurus create the initrd.bin? |
| 20:10:05 | kolla | it should be audio/x-ogg? |
| 20:10:27 | kolla | er.. x means external, right? |
| 20:10:41 | XavierXeon | bo it should be "application/x-ogg ogg" & "audio/ogg ogg" |
| 20:11:16 | XavierXeon | s/bo/no/ |
| 20:11:34 | kolla | MimeType=audio/mpeg;audio/x-wav;audio/x-mpegurl;audio/x-ogg;video/x-ms-asf;video/quicktime;video/mpeg;video/x-msvideo;playlist/plain; |
| 20:11:56 | kolla | thinks the mime type system stinks :) |
| 20:12:01 | XavierXeon | kolla: should work |
| 20:12:12 | kolla | doesnt |
| 20:12:26 | XavierXeon | kolla: any better idea than mime types ? |
| 20:12:30 | kolla | they get audio/x-mpegurl .desktop files associated |
| 20:12:41 | kolla | XavierXeon: yes |
| 20:13:02 | XavierXeon | ?? |
| 20:13:08 | kolla | recognise the file for what it is instead of what it is named |
| 20:13:26 | kolla | I take it you never used beos or amigaos or anything like that? |
| 20:13:40 | XavierXeon | kolla: no |
| 20:14:09 | XavierXeon | kolla: how do you add new file types then ? |
| 20:14:13 | kergoth | XavierXeon: mime types are good, but the association should be on content rather than naming |
| 20:15:41 | XavierXeon | sounds like a resource eater if you have to open the file first to check what it is and the open it with some app. and how do you distinguish to text files meant for different apps ? |
| 20:15:47 | kolla | XavierXeon: you have a datatype master program, you give it a bunch of files that you want to be associated as one group, it puts up all the similarities it can find in terms of what's inside as well as filename.. you pick the criteria you want it to use, and it creates a datatype |
| 20:16:10 | kergoth | XavierXeon: well, you'd obviously cache the data |
| 20:16:17 | kolla | XavierXeon: kinda like using the magic thing on linux |
| 20:16:26 | AntiProxy | hi everyone |
| 20:16:26 | kergoth | well you'd want magic + extension |
| 20:16:37 | kergoth | to allow associating one type with multiple apps |
| 20:16:39 | scanline | file? |
| 20:16:39 | kergoth | re AntiProxy |
| 20:16:41 | XavierXeon | i can your points :) |
| 20:16:41 | AntiProxy | came here looking for whardier.. |
| 20:17:00 | kolla | XavierXeon: it's not a big resource eater, or else I wouldnt be bothered using it on my humpy slow old 68030 machine :) |
| 20:17:04 | whardier | hello AntiProxy |
| 20:17:12 | whardier | I see we have found eachother at last |
| 20:17:13 | XavierXeon | (forget a "see" there) |
| 20:17:18 | whardier | downs his light saber |
| 20:17:20 | whardier | err |
| 20:17:21 | whardier | dons |
| 20:17:22 | whardier | heh |
| 20:17:27 | whardier | don't eat light sabers |
| 20:17:28 | AntiProxy | haha.. yeah |
| 20:17:29 | whardier | BAD |
| 20:17:38 | whardier | AntiProxy I saw some of your scaps |
| 20:17:40 | scanline | was wondering how long it would take for whardier to start growling and bite AntiProxy |
| 20:17:42 | whardier | wondered WTF |
| 20:17:45 | AntiProxy | hahaha |
| 20:17:47 | AntiProxy | same here |
| 20:17:53 | whardier | heh! |
| 20:17:56 | AntiProxy | i saw your scaps... and wondered OMFG WTF |
| 20:18:07 | whardier | I ddecided to scare a few people |
| 20:18:13 | AntiProxy | one of your scaps lead me to you |
| 20:18:20 | whardier | the contacts one |
| 20:18:21 | whardier | hehehe |
| 20:18:25 | AntiProxy | but i had a hard time reading it |
| 20:18:33 | AntiProxy | atfirst.. i read it as nerdwire |
| 20:18:36 | AntiProxy | then hardfire |
| 20:18:38 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 20:18:48 | whardier | how did you make out whardier? |
| 20:18:49 | kolla | but when I have "audio/ogg ogg" in mime.types and "audio/x-ogg" in the mediaplayer.desktop.. why do the ogg files get "audio/x-mpegurl" in their .desktop files? :) |
| 20:18:54 | AntiProxy | well.. |
| 20:19:02 | AntiProxy | i used to ask about 12.252.51.54 |
| 20:19:08 | AntiProxy | and of course no one knew |
| 20:19:10 | whardier | hah |
| 20:19:14 | AntiProxy | today i asked about hardwire.bogomip |
| 20:19:19 | AntiProxy | and everyone pointed at you |
| 20:19:19 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 20:19:21 | whardier | hahaha |
| 20:19:28 | whardier | right on soul sister! |
| 20:19:31 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 20:19:38 | whardier | the contacts one is a gimp job |
| 20:19:43 | whardier | just like a few others I have made |
| 20:19:49 | scanline | can now post supercrazy scaps with impunity now that he has a new IP >:) |
| 20:19:50 | XavierXeon | kolla: it must be "audio/x-ogg ogg" meaning that app which does x-ogg gets open for ogg extension files |
| 20:19:54 | AntiProxy | yeah.. i figured you`r an artist .) |
| 20:20:05 | kolla | also I dont fancy the way mediaplayer optimisticly puts a hole bunch of amiga modules in its playlist.. modules it cannot play by a long shot :) |
| 20:20:09 | whardier | AntiProxy whats up with your scaps? |
| 20:20:19 | AntiProxy | nothing much.. same like yours |
| 20:20:20 | AntiProxy | nuts |
| 20:20:23 | whardier | heh |
| 20:20:33 | AntiProxy | which ones though? |
| 20:20:39 | whardier | your on an iPaq I take it? |
| 20:20:45 | AntiProxy | my plan was to get a full fledged working console on my iPAQ |
| 20:20:48 | AntiProxy | and thats what i did |
| 20:20:49 | kolla | XavierXeon: in mime.types yes.. what I suspected |
| 20:20:58 | whardier | AntiProxy: spiff.. heh! |
| 20:21:14 | AntiProxy | then the next project was dual boot opie/gpe |
| 20:21:17 | AntiProxy | that worked too.. |
| 20:21:29 | AntiProxy | not i can run opie/gpe/console |
| 20:21:41 | AntiProxy | i dont have any GUIs now.. |
| 20:21:49 | AntiProxy | i`m in console for the past 4 days |
| 20:21:54 | AntiProxy | have a lil` patchups to do.. |
| 20:21:56 | whardier | do you have scapps of GPE |
| 20:21:58 | whardier | I have never seen it |
| 20:22:21 | AntiProxy | hmmm |
| 20:22:24 | AntiProxy | lemme check |
| 20:22:28 | kolla | does a full reset on his z again... |
| 20:22:36 | AntiProxy | http://gpe.handhelds.org/screenshots.shtml |
| 20:22:46 | AntiProxy | thats about as good as it gets |
| 20:22:52 | AntiProxy | its based on tiny-x or so |
| 20:23:02 | AntiProxy | i thought you had it running |
| 20:23:07 | AntiProxy | some of the scaps decieved me |
| 20:24:05 | whardier | ah |
| 20:24:06 | whardier | lame |
| 20:24:16 | AntiProxy | hehe |
| 20:24:17 | whardier | well |
| 20:24:19 | whardier | only one was a fake |
| 20:24:20 | whardier | heh |
| 20:24:24 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 20:24:47 | XavierXeon | will go to bed and read some book about super string theory |
| 20:24:47 | kolla | hm |
| 20:25:06 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24325.png ? |
| 20:25:09 | moot | argh |
| 20:25:11 | AntiProxy | hey thats one fine rear |
| 20:25:13 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 20:25:23 | moot | my usb mouse is crapping out |
| 20:25:26 | moot | sometimes :/ |
| 20:25:28 | kergoth | is whardier using scap for porn distribution again? |
| 20:25:30 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:26:12 | whardier | hehehehe |
| 20:26:12 | kolla | hm.. why does the mediaplayer list audio/x-mod files then, when that mime type isnt listed in the desktop file? |
| 20:26:17 | AntiProxy | haha |
| 20:26:25 | whardier | AntiProxy ever used blender? |
| 20:26:31 | AntiProxy | nope... |
| 20:26:37 | kolla | maybe it just lists all audio mime types |
| 20:26:40 | whardier | cool 3d program for linux |
| 20:26:43 | kolla | ready or not :) |
| 20:26:44 | whardier | www.blender3d.nl |
| 20:26:52 | AntiProxy | whardier: my first attempt with linux on my iPAQ was a week ago |
| 20:27:04 | whardier | AntiProxy seems you progressed :) |
| 20:27:17 | AntiProxy | yeah.. its not like i havent used computers before ,) |
| 20:27:43 | AntiProxy | Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.blender3d.nl |
| 20:27:44 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 20:27:53 | whardier | I am immersed in the OZ buildsystem and a movie |
| 20:27:57 | whardier | stick around |
| 20:28:03 | whardier | I bite |
| 20:28:04 | whardier | promise |
| 20:28:07 | AntiProxy | i`m on.. al the time |
| 20:28:08 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 20:28:40 | moot | goddamn |
| 20:28:45 | moot | i cant sync anymore lol |
| 20:28:47 | kolla | someone add sh-utils, fileutils and textutils to OZ? :) |
| 20:29:10 | kergoth | kolla: i have those |
| 20:29:20 | kergoth | kolla: i'd need to alter them a lil bit to make ipks get built though |
| 20:29:29 | kolla | ok |
| 20:29:35 | kergoth | kolla: and we need to figure out how to get them to overwrite busybox's symlinks without ipkg having a shitfit |
| 20:29:45 | kolla | I _had_ them all, till I upgraded busibox- :P :) |
| 20:30:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:30:09 | moot | brb |
| 20:30:09 | kergoth | we need a clean way to handle that |
| 20:30:11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:30:16 | kergoth | familiar folks are trying to figure it out too |
| 20:30:26 | kergoth | they thought maybe seperate busybox packages for each set of symlinks |
| 20:30:29 | kergoth | ala busybox-sh-utils |
| 20:30:33 | kolla | make a busybox for developers |
| 20:30:36 | kergoth | which symlinks to busybox.mk |
| 20:30:38 | kolla | yes |
| 20:30:38 | kergoth | or something |
| 20:30:41 | kergoth | blah |
| 20:30:43 | kolla | that makes sense |
| 20:30:47 | kergoth | then make sh-utils Conflict with busybox-sh-utils |
| 20:30:54 | kergoth | so you'd have to remove the busybox links first |
| 20:30:57 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:31:06 | kolla | it's a mess though |
| 20:31:08 | kolla | :) |
| 20:31:34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:31:38 | kergoth | its a mess bno mattter what |
| 20:31:45 | kergoth | becuase then we have a big busybox with things we dont need in it |
| 20:31:47 | kolla | cant you have busybox only install its softlinks if and only if there are no _real_ files there already? |
| 20:31:55 | kergoth | yeah we can do that |
| 20:31:57 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 20:32:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:32:05 | kergoth | it'll do that as sono as i switch th esymlinks into sub ipks |
| 20:32:08 | whardier | hmm.. apache.. |
| 20:32:13 | whardier | I think its a bunch of patches |
| 20:32:18 | whardier | cause its a patchy! |
| 20:32:19 | kergoth | cause busybox-sh-utils will fail to install cause sh-utils is installed and Conflicts with it |
| 20:32:21 | whardier | runs |
| 20:32:26 | whardier | mooovie |
| 20:33:03 | kolla | kergoth: why do all the symlinks point to ../../bin/busybox btw? |
| 20:33:13 | moot | sync dammit sync :( |
| 20:33:25 | moot | JEBUS |
| 20:33:25 | kolla | and why keep links in /usr/bin when busybox itself is located in /bin? |
| 20:33:32 | moot | piece of garbage |
| 20:33:34 | anse|or | i kept being told that the sharp folks are going to accept submissions this weekind. just turned mine in ...hopefully they'l take it. |
| 20:33:35 | moot | first my mouse dies |
| 20:33:39 | kolla | I moved all the busybox links to /bin |
| 20:33:41 | moot | so i take the cradle and mouse out |
| 20:33:44 | moot | and just put mouse in, it works |
| 20:33:45 | moot | then cradle |
| 20:33:49 | kergoth | kolla: ya got me.. i have no idea |
| 20:33:50 | moot | so windows feels like reinstaling my z |
| 20:33:51 | anse|or | anyone know for sure? |
| 20:33:52 | Cloudchaser | my z won't turn off! |
| 20:33:52 | kolla | then they also work without /usr being mounted :) |
| 20:33:53 | moot | now it wont sync :( |
| 20:33:56 | moot | lol |
| 20:34:00 | moot | cloud happened to me last night :( |
| 20:34:23 | kergoth | i cant figure this out |
| 20:34:28 | kergoth | people always see problems in OZ |
| 20:34:33 | Cloudchaser | that's no good.. how'd youshut it off? |
| 20:34:33 | kergoth | and I can *never* reproduce them |
| 20:34:35 | kergoth | cause mine just works |
| 20:34:37 | kergoth | its weird |
| 20:34:42 | moot | well duh |
| 20:34:46 | moot | youre the wizard behind it |
| 20:34:47 | moot | ;) |
| 20:35:02 | moot | were like here x |
| 20:35:14 | moot | and youre like here: O-------------------------------x |
| 20:35:21 | moot | that x is higher on the ladder :) |
| 20:35:33 | kergoth | so because i created it it likes me more? |
| 20:35:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:35:36 | Cloudchaser | its not like i'm going out of my way to screw up my z |
| 20:35:37 | moot | yes |
| 20:35:40 | moot | its your love child |
| 20:35:53 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i know that.. |
| 20:35:55 | moot | well crap |
| 20:35:57 | moot | i cant sync |
| 20:36:12 | Cloudchaser | i just woke up from a nap it and wwas in cradle and i took it off, ejected wirelss card and tried to shut it off |
| 20:36:15 | kolla | moot: complain to mum and dad :) |
| 20:36:23 | moot | i just bitched |
| 20:36:28 | moot | "mom i need another motherboard" |
| 20:36:29 | KallDrexx | Teax: did it come? |
| 20:36:32 | moot | 2 dimms and a usb dont work |
| 20:36:36 | kolla | :) |
| 20:36:36 | moot | kicks his mobo |
| 20:37:00 | Cloudchaser | anyway i'll cya all later |
| 20:37:09 | kolla | you mother wondered why her current board wasnt good enough? :) |
| 20:37:15 | moot | erm |
| 20:37:19 | moot | mine :P |
| 20:37:29 | moot | <--- built and maintains his own box :P |
| 20:37:43 | moot | she cant navigate word :/ she uses my laptop, well hers, but i use it 99% of the time ;) |
| 20:38:00 | moot | you know, those word teaching books stink |
| 20:38:24 | moot | she was asking how to show up tool bars, and i looked at what they wanted her to do, itwas the MS toolbar that lets you launch diff office apps from within one |
| 20:38:30 | kolla | I just suggested that you mother doesnt know what a motherboard is, but do know what she's your mother, and she probably has some board somewhere :) |
| 20:38:31 | moot | i guess going thru the startbar is too hard :( |
| 20:38:37 | moot | oh she does :) |
| 20:38:41 | moot | well |
| 20:38:43 | moot | its the big square |
| 20:38:54 | moot | heh , i always have the side of my case off, she says its fugly :( |
| 20:39:15 | moot | http://www.websheit.com/~mootard/block.JPG <---- not fugly! :( |
| 20:40:42 | Tenchi | looks like the inside of the borg cube |
| 20:40:50 | moot | well |
| 20:40:52 | moot | just because it has a cathode? |
| 20:40:53 | moot | :P |
| 20:41:02 | moot | you mean borgbobs case? |
| 20:41:13 | moot | did he ever finish that plexi block, that thing looked sweet |
| 20:41:46 | moot | just great i cant sync now. |
| 20:42:12 | kolla | I was playing with my old CD32 all morning, hehe |
| 20:46:44 | moot | heh |
| 20:46:46 | moot | i fixed my problem |
| 20:46:50 | moot | in my head right when i rebooted |
| 20:47:19 | moot | because a new networking driver for the z was installed, it fubared its ip from 192.168.129.200, so right when i reboot i go "duh!" :( |
| 20:52:33 | mark | hmm, anyone got wine running on the Z yet? :) |
| 20:52:41 | kolla | wont work |
| 20:52:48 | kolla | unless there is wineCE :)) |
| 20:52:50 | noda | laughs. |
| 20:52:59 | mark | kolla: why not? |
| 20:53:01 | kolla | for SA1110 |
| 20:53:02 | noda | Wine has x86 instructions all over the place, doesn't it? |
| 20:53:07 | kolla | different architecture |
| 20:53:22 | mark | notes he is too tired to think |
| 20:53:24 | mark | good point :) |
| 20:53:46 | kolla | but ofcourse, someone could make a strong arm version of wine and try to get pocketpc apps to work |
| 20:53:58 | noda | Man, would that ever be cool... |
| 20:54:02 | alex_43522 | why not install wince on the zaurus? |
| 20:54:07 | kolla | no idea how pocketpc api compares to win32 api |
| 20:54:11 | noda | Hey, why do apps load faster in WinCE than in OpenZaurus? |
| 20:54:24 | kolla | because z is running linuz |
| 20:54:27 | kolla | linux |
| 20:54:31 | mark | kolla: similar |
| 20:54:34 | kolla | with all the overhead of a *ix |
| 20:54:39 | noda | PocketPC hasn't been ported to the Zaurus... |
| 20:55:18 | kolla | it doesnt need to be ported |
| 20:55:20 | noda | But there's hardly any overhead, really. It's going only to the framebuffer, essential services are switched off... there's a 200mhz processor in there, sheesh... |
| 20:55:24 | kolla | it just needs device drivers |
| 20:55:30 | noda | That's what I meant :) |
| 20:55:58 | kolla | noda: *ix is too many layers upon layers with hack&patch to make it snappy :) |
| 20:56:34 | noda | It's only when programs load that they're slower... |
| 20:56:49 | alex_43522 | lol dualboot between wince and openzaurus |
| 20:57:00 | kolla | ok, no idea about pocketpc, as I have never used it.. hear it is a dread there as well :) |
| 20:57:09 | scanline | need an ARM virtual machine you can run WinCE inside of |
| 20:57:10 | noda | Yeah. And it crashes all the time :) |
| 20:57:25 | kolla | opie crashes alot |
| 20:57:40 | scanline | I haven't seen linux crash on my Z once.. it's always Qtopia's fault |
| 20:57:42 | noda | My cousin's iPAQ crashes more than my Z. |
| 20:57:48 | noda | agrees. |
| 20:57:49 | kolla | scanline: yep |
| 20:58:09 | kolla | I have opie locked completely up, but from the ssh login everything is dandy |
| 20:58:25 | kolla | we need a ctrl-alt-backspace for opie :) |
| 20:58:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:58:46 | kolla | map "killall -9 qpe" to some hotkey |
| 20:58:50 | scanline | Z needs a sysrq key... |
| 20:59:00 | kergoth | scanline: OZ has it enabled |
| 20:59:07 | scanline | which one is it? |
| 20:59:11 | kergoth | scanline: but i dont think we've got a key mapping for sysrq |
| 20:59:19 | kergoth | scanline: I know it works via serial ;-) |
| 21:01:06 | scanline | thinks the space bar would make a good sysrq |
| 21:01:24 | KallDrexx | asks a newb question, what's sysrq? |
| 21:01:42 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 21:01:48 | scanline | KallDrexx: lets you mess with the kernel |
| 21:01:51 | kergoth | scanline: we'd need a weird ass key combination so peple dont hit it accidentally |
| 21:02:06 | KallDrexx | scanline: ah |
| 21:02:09 | kergoth | ie.. fn+shift+r+jump on one foot |
| 21:02:12 | kergoth | or something |
| 21:02:13 | scanline | kergoth: just hold down L-I-N-U-X simultaneously |
| 21:02:17 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 21:02:27 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 21:03:23 | kergoth | "I drive really slow, in the ultra fast lane, while people behind me are going insane! I'm an asshole!" |
| 21:03:28 | kergoth | gotta love denis leary |
| 21:04:00 | moot | : |
| 21:04:03 | kolla | what is the relation between MimeType and MimeTpeIcons? |
| 21:04:05 | moot | kerg i have a funny problem |
| 21:04:12 | kergoth | moot: whats that |
| 21:04:15 | moot | when i try to install the mooview ipk |
| 21:04:20 | moot | it brings up the tkcvideo one |
| 21:04:27 | moot | i tried thru terminal |
| 21:04:32 | moot | didnt worky |
| 21:04:34 | moot | something about magic |
| 21:04:39 | kergoth | erm' |
| 21:04:41 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:05:20 | scanline | whoops.. picogui hosed my opie /etc/pointercal |
| 21:05:26 | kergoth | doh |
| 21:05:27 | moot | hrm :( |
| 21:05:36 | moot | how to do it thru terminal |
| 21:05:41 | moot | ipgk install /mnt/cf bleh bleh |
| 21:05:45 | moot | .arm.ipk? |
| 21:05:49 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:05:51 | kergoth | it goes ti ROOT |
| 21:05:51 | moot | i rmed the .arm.desktop |
| 21:05:52 | kergoth | remember |
| 21:05:55 | moot | ? |
| 21:05:57 | kergoth | so you better have enough sroom |
| 21:05:58 | moot | how do i specify that |
| 21:06:02 | moot | i do |
| 21:06:03 | moot | like 2 megs |
| 21:06:04 | kergoth | you dont |
| 21:06:05 | moot | its a small prog |
| 21:06:08 | kergoth | k |
| 21:06:13 | kergoth | ipkg install /path/to/the/ipk |
| 21:06:15 | KallDrexx | does a kingston 256mb CF work wiht the z? |
| 21:06:46 | kolla | so where do I tell opie to use $QPEDIR/pics/ogg.png for ogg files? |
| 21:07:40 | moot | ipkg: invalid magic |
| 21:07:41 | moot | magic!? |
| 21:07:51 | moot | sprinkles some fairy dust |
| 21:07:57 | kolla | (and where did $QPEDIR/pics/security* go?) |
| 21:08:10 | kolla | moot: use a different spell |
| 21:08:11 | kolla | :) |
| 21:08:33 | kergoth | moot: either 1) you forgot to upgrade your ipkg from the feed .. or 2) corrupt ipk |
| 21:08:43 | moot | must be corrupt |
| 21:09:14 | moot | opie image viewer didnt do slideshows for me |
| 21:09:19 | moot | is that just me, or does it not support it |
| 21:10:38 | moot | darnit |
| 21:10:39 | moot | . |
| 21:10:47 | moot | its doing this with all my ipks... |
| 21:11:35 | moot | nuts |
| 21:12:02 | moot | crashed :/ reboot |
| 21:13:08 | kolla | huh |
| 21:13:18 | moot | i little black screen came over my desktop |
| 21:13:24 | moot | and told me to login |
| 21:13:27 | moot | i did root/reboot :/ |
| 21:14:14 | roge99_ | is back (gone 00:46:34) |
| 21:14:35 | kolla | what are the icons hidden now then.. |
| 21:14:37 | kolla | cutie Settings # pwd |
| 21:14:37 | kolla | /opt/Qtopia/apps/Settings |
| 21:14:37 | kolla | cutie Settings # cat netsetup.desktop | grep -i icon |
| 21:14:37 | kolla | Icon=PPPConnect |
| 21:14:37 | kolla | cutie Settings # find /opt/Qtopia/ | grep -i pppconnect |
| 21:14:38 | kolla | cutie Settings # |
| 21:15:04 | kolla | didnt they all use to be in /opt/Qtopia/pics? |
| 21:15:30 | kergoth | kolla: some icons are inlined into libqpe itself |
| 21:15:36 | kolla | oh |
| 21:15:53 | kolla | and in last update Security was removed? :) |
| 21:16:00 | moot | dammit |
| 21:16:00 | kolla | since it.. vanished |
| 21:16:03 | moot | this is a problemo :( |
| 21:16:12 | moot | kerg: oz crashed and i had to reboot |
| 21:16:13 | kolla | indeed |
| 21:16:20 | moot | now next to the littl red box when i try to install |
| 21:16:23 | moot | theres no text again |
| 21:16:28 | moot | and i DID delete the .desktop |
| 21:16:40 | chouimat | in 20 minutes go to http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 |
| 21:17:01 | moot | k |
| 21:17:12 | kolla | chouimat: what do you mean "go to"? |
| 21:17:18 | moot | he means goto :P |
| 21:17:29 | kolla | I dont know how to walk http :) |
| 21:17:41 | chouimat | kolla: go to the site and look a the screenshots |
| 21:17:48 | kolla | ok |
| 21:17:56 | moot | why 20min tho |
| 21:18:21 | kolla | there.. pulled Security.png from my sharp rom backup |
| 21:19:56 | kolla | kergoth: those files that dhcpcd creates in /var/run/.. are they really needed? |
| 21:20:16 | kergoth | kolla: the pid files are used so the startup scripts know how to kill it |
| 21:20:25 | kergoth | kolla: yes, you need them |
| 21:20:36 | kergoth | kolla: thats also how the pcmcia script knows how to kill it |
| 21:20:41 | kergoth | kolla: like when you go to eject the card |
| 21:20:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:20:59 | kolla | hm |
| 21:21:21 | kolla | too often I need to erase them myself |
| 21:21:40 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:21:42 | kergoth | for what? |
| 21:21:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21:50 | kergoth | /var gets wiped on reboot anyway |
| 21:21:51 | kolla | in order to run dhcpcd again |
| 21:21:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21:56 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:21:59 | kolla | mine /var doesnt :) |
| 21:22:00 | kergoth | they should get deleted on their own |
| 21:22:04 | kergoth | why? |
| 21:22:09 | kolla | because I didnt fancy that |
| 21:22:14 | kergoth | putting /var on a media other than ram is lame. |
| 21:22:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:22:19 | Teax | is away: away |
| 21:22:27 | kergoth | i mean, if its on nonvolitile media we'll need logrotate and shit eh |
| 21:22:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:22:41 | kolla | beacuse sometimes you have apps that requires more than what is in the var.tar ball :) |
| 21:22:42 | ljp | qwest bytes it |
| 21:22:53 | kolla | and sometimes you might want a log to survive a reboot |
| 21:23:34 | kolla | but ok, I'll make my own var-cleaner I can put in rc..whatever runlevel it is.. |
| 21:23:40 | kergoth | kolla: heh. then write a startup script to cleanup |
| 21:23:42 | kergoth | yeh exactly |
| 21:23:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:23:49 | kolla | :) |
| 21:24:16 | kergoth | kolla: you should make the var cleanup script available.. for people who want to change that behavior |
| 21:24:45 | moot | argh |
| 21:24:48 | moot | i cant sync again |
| 21:24:50 | kolla | if people are smart enough to move /var to disk, then they probably are smart enough to write their own scrips :) |
| 21:24:54 | moot | wtf " |
| 21:25:56 | moot | dammit :( |
| 21:25:59 | moot | kicks his z |
| 21:26:02 | kergoth | kolla: true that |
| 21:26:12 | Novas007 | hmm.. i can't sync atm either |
| 21:26:15 | kergoth | kolla: but even so, people like that are generally opposed to reinventing the wheel |
| 21:26:17 | kergoth | kolla: :-) |
| 21:26:22 | kolla | ok :) |
| 21:26:27 | Novas007 | i get usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout |
| 21:26:33 | moot | finally it syncs |
| 21:26:36 | kergoth | Novas007: usb bus problems |
| 21:26:41 | Novas007 | how do i reset it? |
| 21:26:41 | kergoth | Novas007: you using the right usb controller driver? |
| 21:26:44 | Novas007 | yeah |
| 21:26:49 | Novas007 | it's been working for a while |
| 21:26:55 | moot | kerg, any idea with my ipkg prob? |
| 21:27:00 | moot | it installed fine before ;9 |
| 21:27:02 | moot | STUPID TKC :P |
| 21:27:46 | Novas007 | bleh, now i wish i hadn't compiled the usb stuff into the kernel |
| 21:28:07 | kergoth | yes, usb should always be modules, and use hotplug :-) |
| 21:28:24 | moot | whats a slideshow app on the feed? |
| 21:28:26 | Novas007 | i had to do an ugly hack on the hotplug stuff to get it to see the Z |
| 21:28:30 | moot | i cant install this other stuff :P |
| 21:28:50 | kergoth | Novas007: heh. hotplug uses the usb map files to figure out what to load |
| 21:28:55 | kergoth | Novas007: depmod should generate them |
| 21:29:05 | Novas007 | yeah, it doesn't generate one for the Z, for some reason |
| 21:29:09 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:29:20 | kergoth | it should pick up the vendor and device ids from the usbdnet module |
| 21:29:29 | Novas007 | yeah, it generates that wrong |
| 21:29:29 | Novas007 | heh |
| 21:29:49 | kergoth | usbdnet is such a piece of shit |
| 21:30:09 | moot | can you isntall from the killefiz feeD? |
| 21:30:15 | moot | how do you add that :/ |
| 21:30:16 | kergoth | moot: killefiz has a feed? |
| 21:30:21 | moot | guess not ;) |
| 21:30:25 | moot | it says its listed there :/ |
| 21:30:29 | Novas007 | and rather than figure that out, i just added a bit into the usb.agent about if [ "$PRODUCT" = "4dd/8004/0" ]; then |
| 21:30:29 | moot | damn i want mooview :P |
| 21:30:30 | kergoth | moot: go into the Setup in oipkg and add whatever feeds you havhe |
| 21:30:37 | moot | i dont have any feeds :P |
| 21:30:41 | kergoth | Novas007: hehe. whatever works |
| 21:30:41 | moot | i have that one thats default :/ |
| 21:30:50 | kergoth | moot: oipkg can search killefiz |
| 21:30:55 | kergoth | moot: but i have no idea how |
| 21:30:58 | kergoth | moot: hehe |
| 21:31:10 | kolla | hm |
| 21:31:18 | moot | :( |
| 21:31:25 | moot | what the heck is the image viewer on the feed |
| 21:31:29 | moot | i need *somethign* :P |
| 21:31:47 | kergoth | the opie image viewer .. its okay, but needs work yet |
| 21:31:53 | moot | dammit |
| 21:31:57 | kolla | kergoth: I removed the wlan card, but there are still dhcpcd-wlan0.info and dhcpcd-wlan0.info.old in the /var/run/ |
| 21:31:58 | moot | man i cant install anything anymore |
| 21:32:02 | chouimat | ok http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 is updated |
| 21:32:07 | kergoth | kolla: yeah, bug in the pcmcia scripts |
| 21:32:13 | kolla | I see |
| 21:32:16 | kergoth | kolla: is dhcpcd still running? |
| 21:32:32 | moot | kerg |
| 21:32:35 | moot | any ideas :( |
| 21:32:37 | kolla | kergoth: no |
| 21:32:40 | moot | nothing installs ;( |
| 21:32:44 | kergoth | kolla: odd |
| 21:33:27 | chouimat | KallDrexx: seen my screenshots? |
| 21:33:54 | kolla | chouimat: is it 20 minutes already? :) |
| 21:34:08 | moot | buce fubakkt ut wirjs |
| 21:34:12 | chouimat | kolla: I needed 20 minutes just to debug the apps |
| 21:34:17 | moot | translation: nice finally it works |
| 21:35:08 | Guest | fantastic! like a kid with a new toy |
| 21:35:18 | moot | ..? |
| 21:35:23 | kolla | a toy indeed :) |
| 21:35:38 | chouimat | Guest: ?? |
| 21:35:54 | moot | you nutty butty :P |
| 21:36:01 | Guest | sorry folks... just connected for the first time using the Zaurus |
| 21:36:09 | moot | grrrr |
| 21:36:15 | kolla | Guest: figured that :) |
| 21:36:16 | moot | im gonna throw a pissy fit |
| 21:36:20 | moot | i cant install from cf anymore :P |
| 21:36:25 | chouimat | kolla: seen the screenshots? |
| 21:36:28 | kolla | yes |
| 21:36:36 | chouimat | kolla: any comments? |
| 21:36:46 | kergoth | moot: man, youve got some luck... |
| 21:36:47 | kolla | yes... why use a zaurus for this? :) |
| 21:36:57 | moot | pffffffffff |
| 21:37:11 | moot | yeah whats the point of erm dosing from a z, is that what it is? a scanner/doser? :P |
| 21:37:15 | chouimat | kolla: was on the contest list :) |
| 21:37:20 | kolla | chouimat: aha :) |
| 21:37:20 | moot | hey thatd be funny |
| 21:37:23 | moot | get a wifi card |
| 21:37:32 | moot | get into a wireless net that isnt yours |
| 21:37:34 | moot | then run it there :P |
| 21:37:42 | Guest | hummm...Im a guest.. guess I should register |
| 21:38:06 | Guest | when I figure out how! |
| 21:38:10 | kolla | doing portscanning from a publiz wlan zone using a zaurus scores big on the h4x0r-meter I bet :) |
| 21:38:13 | moot | erm |
| 21:38:17 | kolla | public |
| 21:38:17 | moot | i think you didnt change the default nic |
| 21:38:19 | moot | nick* |
| 21:38:33 | moot | yeah kolla! ;) |
| 21:38:58 | kergoth | kolla: drop your Z in a bush outside a building doing an arp storm or something, and take off, get it later |
| 21:39:00 | kergoth | kolla: hehe |
| 21:39:00 | moot | j00 r r33t wh3n j00 p0rts@n fr0m publ1c wl@n <--- look its hax0r talk, im an idiot |
| 21:39:01 | moot | :) |
| 21:39:16 | chouimat | kergoth: ??? |
| 21:39:43 | kergoth | smacks moot, yes you are |
| 21:39:44 | kergoth | :-P |
| 21:39:56 | moot | hehe |
| 21:39:59 | moot | kerg, help meh! |
| 21:40:04 | moot | what could be the problemo :( |
| 21:40:07 | kergoth | whats the latest issue? |
| 21:40:12 | kergoth | bring me up to date |
| 21:40:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:40:16 | moot | cant install from cf again |
| 21:40:21 | moot | i got tkc video on it tho |
| 21:40:22 | Guest | later folks... gona play around with the other stuff |
| 21:40:27 | moot | then i tried mooview from cf |
| 21:40:34 | moot | and it tried to isntall tkcvideo |
| 21:40:38 | moot | wtf? so i delete it all and reboot |
| 21:40:42 | moot | (it crashed) |
| 21:40:49 | kergoth | weird |
| 21:40:50 | moot | reloaded moo, now theres no text next to the package |
| 21:40:55 | kolla | kergoth: read something about people using game consoles for that :) |
| 21:40:55 | kergoth | so oipkg is being flaky again |
| 21:40:56 | moot | and from meh experience that isnt good :) |
| 21:40:57 | moot | yeah |
| 21:41:00 | kergoth | drags oipkg out back to be shot |
| 21:41:08 | kergoth | kolla: yeah, that article on the dreamcast.. :-) |
| 21:41:14 | kolla | yes :) |
| 21:41:44 | moot | hangs then buries oipkg |
| 21:42:24 | moot | STILL NOT WORKING |
| 21:42:25 | kolla | imagine if you could get it to run that along with the games played... a true trojan, you park it outside the tech building "From management: We love you guys!" |
| 21:42:26 | moot | yargh |
| 21:42:31 | moot | drags himself out back to be shot |
| 21:42:41 | kolla | and they pic it up, bring it in, plug it in.. |
| 21:42:44 | kolla | hehehe |
| 21:43:07 | kergoth | kolla: lol |
| 21:44:20 | moot | kerg save me :( |
| 21:44:23 | moot | why wont it work :P |
| 21:44:25 | moot | stupid cf |
| 21:44:28 | moot | i should shoot my cf :P |
| 21:44:38 | kergoth | do it my way |
| 21:44:39 | kolla | moot: you're trying to install on CF? |
| 21:44:42 | kergoth | create a feed on the CF |
| 21:44:44 | kergoth | kolla: from, not to |
| 21:44:49 | moot | kerg, how again? |
| 21:44:50 | kolla | oh |
| 21:44:55 | moot | conf edit? |
| 21:44:56 | kergoth | moot: create a feed on the cf card. read the feed howto on ZZ |
| 21:45:02 | moot | zz? |
| 21:45:05 | moot | vat? |
| 21:45:09 | moot | zaurus zone? |
| 21:45:12 | moot | link meh :( |
| 21:45:15 | kergoth | moot: 3 ways to install from cf, 1) DocLnkDir, 2) feed on cf, 3) tap from Docs |
| 21:45:16 | kolla | no, zz-top's homepage |
| 21:45:18 | | howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 21:45:18 | kergoth | ibot: howto |
| 21:45:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:45:44 | moot | awww how sweet :P |
| 21:46:06 | kolla | oo.. I managed to change the icons for the ogg files |
| 21:46:36 | kolla | not the correct icon, but at least I now have more to check out |
| 21:46:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:47:20 | moot | ok tell me how to do doclnk, i just point it to / mnt/ bleh bleh? |
| 21:47:26 | kergoth | moot: yeah |
| 21:47:29 | kergoth | moot: its not recursive |
| 21:47:37 | kergoth | moot: so you have to set it to /mnt/cf/Application/ipkg or whatever |
| 21:47:41 | kergoth | moot: not just /mnt/cf |
| 21:48:45 | moot | ok done |
| 21:48:46 | moot | now what? |
| 21:49:47 | kergoth | run oipkg |
| 21:49:52 | kergoth | they'll be listed under Documents |
| 21:50:06 | moot | :( |
| 21:50:08 | moot | nope |
| 21:50:12 | moot | no little plus next to docs |
| 21:50:21 | kergoth | read me the line from your oipkg.conf |
| 21:50:26 | kergoth | and was it there arleady or did you add it? |
| 21:50:35 | moot | what the |
| 21:50:38 | moot | its back to /root/ |
| 21:50:40 | moot | i DID change it |
| 21:50:42 | Microdim | what is the deal with ogg files are they better than mp3's I mean why do some people like ogg files? |
| 21:50:50 | moot | smaller |
| 21:50:54 | moot | sound just as good |
| 21:50:55 | moot | at lower bit |
| 21:51:07 | kergoth | moot: did you use opie-confedit? |
| 21:51:10 | moot | yes |
| 21:51:17 | kergoth | moot: if so, you have to tap+hold on oipkg.conf in confedit and tap save |
| 21:51:25 | kergoth | moot: its unintuitive, i did the same thing you did at firsty |
| 21:51:28 | kergoth | first |
| 21:51:30 | moot | ahhh |
| 21:51:33 | Microdim | but I made an ogg file and an mp3 from the same cd same track and the ogg file was exactly 1 Mb bigger, the mp3 was smaller |
| 21:51:35 | kergoth | moot: but once you figure that out it works great :) |
| 21:51:45 | kergoth | Microdim: with what encoding settings? |
| 21:51:55 | kergoth | Microdim: a ogg file with a bitrate half of mp3 is around the same quality |
| 21:52:13 | Microdim | I dont know I use CD'n'Go |
| 21:52:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:52:20 | moot | ARGH |
| 21:52:22 | moot | it saved |
| 21:52:23 | moot | no docs. |
| 21:52:29 | kergoth | use a encoder that gives you some choices. |
| 21:52:30 | moot | wait |
| 21:52:31 | moot | do i update?. |
| 21:52:33 | kergoth | no |
| 21:52:36 | kergoth | it shows immediately |
| 21:52:40 | moot | dammit |
| 21:52:47 | kergoth | read me yoru DocLnkDir line |
| 21:52:52 | kergoth | paste that is |
| 21:52:52 | Microdim | I am using windows do you know of a good one that I could download? |
| 21:52:57 | kergoth | man, i feel like i'm on the phone |
| 21:53:01 | kergoth | works in tech support |
| 21:53:03 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:53:11 | moot | docLnkDir /mnt/cf/Documents/application/ipkg |
| 21:53:15 | moot | docLnkDir /mnt/cf/Documents/application/ipkg/ |
| 21:53:16 | kergoth | Microdim: not offhand, i ditched windows a couple weeks ago |
| 21:53:19 | moot | well thanks for helping :) |
| 21:53:21 | kergoth | moot: um, thats = not space right? |
| 21:53:29 | moot | oh |
| 21:53:29 | Microdim | o i c |
| 21:53:30 | moot | i see. |
| 21:53:32 | kergoth | moot: it has to read docLnkDir=blah |
| 21:53:34 | moot | er yes |
| 21:53:36 | moot | = yes |
| 21:53:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:53:44 | moot | docLnkDir = /mnt bleh |
| 21:53:46 | moot | yeah i see |
| 21:53:48 | kergoth | restart opie? |
| 21:53:50 | moot | its like that :( |
| 21:53:50 | moot | ok |
| 21:53:51 | kergoth | i dunno |
| 21:53:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:54:35 | moot | ill try a reboot :/ |
| 21:54:43 | moot | darn :? |
| 21:54:55 | chouimat | grrr |
| 21:54:55 | moot | what kind of tech support do you do |
| 21:55:20 | kergoth | moot: unix support for Digi International, they sell serial ports... yes, i said serial port |
| 21:55:22 | kergoth | moot: :-) |
| 21:55:27 | moot | heh |
| 21:55:27 | moot | :D |
| 21:55:32 | moot | my serial no workay! |
| 21:55:35 | moot | :P |
| 21:55:43 | moot | so what kind of calls do you get... |
| 21:56:56 | moot | any file you can think of me editing? :/ |
| 21:58:10 | moot | success? |
| 21:58:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:58:31 | moot | can konq go on mtdram |
| 21:58:37 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:58:39 | moot | goddamn errors |
| 21:58:42 | kergoth | i always install it there |
| 21:58:49 | kergoth | what errors? |
| 21:58:54 | moot | invalid compressed data |
| 21:58:56 | kolla | wooo |
| 21:59:02 | moot | format violated |
| 21:59:05 | kergoth | moot: are you sure you're on the latest ipkg from the feed? |
| 21:59:11 | moot | yes |
| 21:59:11 | kergoth | moot: cause that sounds like corruption again |
| 21:59:17 | kergoth | moot: have you ever formatted that CF? |
| 21:59:22 | kergoth | moot: cause if not, you may want to |
| 21:59:30 | moot | yeah i did a bit ago... |
| 22:00:08 | moot | i will i guess if i need to |
| 22:00:08 | moot | do i need fdisk? |
| 22:00:08 | moot | i dont know how |
| 22:00:09 | moot | my busybox isnt updated |
| 22:00:09 | moot | should it be? |
| 22:00:09 | kergoth | up to you |
| 22:00:09 | kergoth | new one includes mkfifo |
| 22:02:00 | kergoth | which will let the vnc server get closer to working |
| 22:02:00 | kolla | lots of cute ogg icons |
| 22:02:03 | kolla | so from what I can grasp, the MimeTypeIcons just follows the order of the MimeType |
| 22:04:13 | moot | kerg |
| 22:04:18 | moot | what can i edit to remove moo |
| 22:04:22 | moot | maybe it partially installed |
| 22:04:23 | moot | i dunno :( |
| 22:05:19 | moot | gets ready for... what 9th flash is it? :P |
| 22:06:20 | kolla | http://cutie.uninett.no/screenshots/data/sc_06.01.54_Tue_1_Jan_2002.png |
| 22:06:21 | kolla | :) |
| 22:06:54 | moot | lol! |
| 22:06:55 | moot | nice |
| 22:06:55 | kolla | oh and opie seems to have some issue with non-ascii chars in filenames |
| 22:06:58 | moot | fishy fishy |
| 22:06:59 | moot | :D |
| 22:07:02 | kolla | yep :) |
| 22:07:55 | moot | will opie mplayer 2 be better than tkcvideo |
| 22:07:59 | kolla | I have lots of mp3s and ogg that wont show up at all aince they have 8bit filenames |
| 22:08:12 | kolla | is that a known problem? |
| 22:08:27 | ljp_studio | 8 bit filenames? |
| 22:08:31 | moot | hrm |
| 22:08:32 | kolla | yes |
| 22:08:34 | moot | i should reincode this divx |
| 22:08:39 | kolla | like Røyksopp_01.ogg |
| 22:08:43 | kolla | æøå |
| 22:08:45 | kergoth | ohh |
| 22:08:49 | ljp_studio | ahhh |
| 22:08:53 | kergoth | they use high ascii, the full 8 bits |
| 22:08:55 | kergoth | eh? |
| 22:08:55 | kolla | ðþª and so forth |
| 22:09:11 | kolla | kergoth: hm.. odd |
| 22:09:12 | ljp_studio | hmmm.. do they show up elsewhere? |
| 22:09:24 | kolla | well, in the shell ofcourse :) |
| 22:10:16 | kolla | duh |
| 22:10:18 | moot | hrm |
| 22:10:21 | moot | how do i reincode a divx |
| 22:10:26 | moot | to make it smaller |
| 22:10:26 | kolla | killed the shell I had started xchat from |
| 22:10:27 | moot | better for the z :/ |
| 22:10:55 | ljp_studio | well, I suppose opieplayer2 would do that, seeing as most of the developers are German |
| 22:11:14 | ljp_studio | and probably use those funky letters ;) |
| 22:11:37 | kolla | yes, one should assume so |
| 22:12:11 | moot | grrr :( |
| 22:12:16 | moot | whats something to reincode divx :/ |
| 22:12:24 | chouimat | KallDrexx: ping |
| 22:13:04 | kolla | the sharp rom's /proc/version seems to be in euc-jp encoding btw :) |
| 22:13:11 | kergoth | kolla: lol |
| 22:13:21 | moot | kergg oipk = mean |
| 22:13:30 | kergoth | oipkg is .. quirky |
| 22:13:42 | mark | kergoth: to say the least |
| 22:13:42 | Onyx4 | moot you running linux on your desktop? |
| 22:13:51 | moot | no |
| 22:13:55 | Onyx4 | mmm then use virtualdub |
| 22:14:03 | mark | unless oipkg's is now benmeyer's one? |
| 22:14:10 | Onyx4 | see www.thekompany.com look for tkcvideo and check the users guide |
| 22:14:16 | kergoth | mark: nope |
| 22:14:21 | kergoth | mark: ben gave up on his until we have a libipkg |
| 22:14:30 | kergoth | mark: cause with libipkg we wouldnt need to call out ipkg at all.. |
| 22:14:52 | mark | kergoth: ah, I see |
| 22:15:13 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I filed a few bugs that I talked to you about |
| 22:15:46 | kergoth | Onyx4: good good |
| 22:15:54 | mark | kergoth: didn't know that was on the cards, nice |
| 22:16:06 | Onyx4 | I ripped lord of the rings on 256mb , it's very nice |
| 22:18:12 | moot | oh |
| 22:18:14 | moot | youre the guy! |
| 22:18:18 | moot | yay :D |
| 22:18:50 | kergoth | moot: ? |
| 22:18:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:20:14 | Com[Plex | moot |
| 22:20:44 | Onyx4 | for those who missed it, I have my transcode script to automate divx for zaurus, http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt |
| 22:24:28 | Speedy2 | re |
| 22:24:32 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 22:24:35 | Speedy2 | Hi kergoth |
| 22:24:40 | Speedy2 | Grr...wish I had another SCSI terminator |
| 22:24:52 | Speedy2 | I have this AMP SCSI terminator (active) but it has a male connector on it |
| 22:25:11 | Speedy2 | What's new with you friend? |
| 22:25:32 | kergoth | oh not a whole lot, taking it easy.. music, relaxing |
| 22:25:34 | kergoth | yourself/ |
| 22:26:01 | Speedy2 | <--- trying to get U320 SCSI card going. |
| 22:26:08 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 22:26:18 | deebee | I am seriously looking at buying a zaurus, but I would like to know how capablr the terminal program is. |
| 22:26:31 | deebee | capable, that is |
| 22:26:36 | Com[Plex | hey kergoth: is there a way to get rid fo some of the little icons on the taskbar? - IE, the wireless inet thingy, and the irda icon. - I dont use hemm, and I would like to have a little mroe room there |
| 22:26:46 | kergoth | Com[Plex: uninstlal them. |
| 22:26:52 | kergoth | Com[Plex: ipkg remove opie-wirelessapplet |
| 22:26:54 | kergoth | Com[Plex: etc |
| 22:26:56 | kergoth | Com[Plex: heh |
| 22:27:18 | aharbi | term works great |
| 22:27:19 | Com[Plex | cool. thats. - I can do that from the gui too right? |
| 22:27:28 | Com[Plex | - reason is I dont know the name of the applet |
| 22:27:31 | aharbi | but its root |
| 22:27:44 | kergoth | Com[Plex: yep oipkg will work fine |
| 22:27:44 | deebee | For example, I would like to shell into another linux box, and check email using mutt -- is that possible? |
| 22:27:49 | kergoth | aharbi: everything on the Z runs as root |
| 22:27:50 | Com[Plex | coo |
| 22:27:54 | kergoth | deebee: works fine, i do it regularly |
| 22:28:01 | deebee | excellent. |
| 22:28:22 | aharbi | yes.. I use ssh to do just tha |
| 22:28:30 | deebee | everything runs as root? Yikes. Why is that? |
| 22:28:37 | Com[Plex | I have to soft reset this alot. - I have most of my apps installed now, but it still locks up here and there, - particularly when changing cards and stuff |
| 22:29:35 | kergoth | deebee: because thats how sharp did it |
| 22:29:35 | Com[Plex | what is libcap0 ? |
| 22:29:42 | kergoth | deebee: the Z has never been very secure |
| 22:29:44 | Com[Plex | and openobex? |
| 22:29:47 | kergoth | deebee: but OZ will be, soon |
| 22:29:52 | kergoth | Com[Plex: openobex is for beaming |
| 22:30:03 | kolla | sigh |
| 22:30:04 | kergoth | Com[Plex: libpcap0 is the pcap library, used to sniff network traffic. used by kismet |
| 22:30:10 | deebee | Has anyone encountered serious problems with security? |
| 22:30:10 | kolla | frigging desktop files |
| 22:30:12 | kolla | hate them |
| 22:30:32 | Com[Plex | thanx. - I neer liked kismet much. |
| 22:30:47 | kergoth | deebee: security is a joke, period |
| 22:30:48 | Com[Plex | how about openssl? |
| 22:30:51 | kergoth | deebee: on the Z especially |
| 22:30:57 | kergoth | Com[Plex: without openssl you have no ssh |
| 22:31:04 | kergoth | Com[Plex: its required for that, as well as for browsing https sites |
| 22:31:21 | kolla | a playlist.desktop that points at a playlist conf that lists a bunch of mediafile.desktops that points to the actual mediafiles.... that's way too many levels |
| 22:31:23 | Com[Plex | ahh. coo.. |
| 22:31:31 | aharbi | in what way? problem with security |
| 22:31:39 | kergoth | aharbi: sync port is wide open |
| 22:31:47 | kergoth | aharbi: no root password there, even if you set one int he system |
| 22:31:57 | kergoth | aharbi: and in the system, by default there is no root password |
| 22:32:02 | kergoth | aharbi: opie and all the apps run as root |
| 22:32:04 | kergoth | aharbi: etc. |
| 22:32:10 | kergoth | s/opie/opie or qtopia/; |
| 22:33:28 | deebee | OZ: is that OpenZaurus? Where can I find out more info about that? |
| 22:33:33 | aharbi | haven't done it, I noticed some security downloads, so not sure what they are |
| 22:33:39 | kergoth | deebee: |
| 22:33:42 | | openzaurus is, like, a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 22:33:42 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus |
| 22:34:05 | Com[Plex | whats the difference between opie-mail and opie-mail2 ? |
| 22:34:13 | moot | jonny |
| 22:34:13 | moot | :D |
| 22:34:21 | Com[Plex | hey moot. sup killa |
| 22:34:21 | kergoth | Com[Plex: completely different clients |
| 22:34:27 | kergoth | Com[Plex: opie-mail isnt maintained anymore |
| 22:34:33 | kergoth | Com[Plex: opie-mail2 is being worked on, but isnt quite there yet |
| 22:34:37 | Com[Plex | cool |
| 22:34:44 | Com[Plex | not that I really would use this for mail.. hehe |
| 22:34:57 | kergoth | hjehe |
| 22:35:02 | Com[Plex | whats is mediummount? |
| 22:35:04 | kergoth | i ssh into a box and run mutt |
| 22:35:07 | kergoth | if i use mail at all |
| 22:35:21 | kergoth | Com[Plex: mediummountgui lets you select what types of files ont eh CF/SD it shows in documents |
| 22:35:31 | kergoth | Com[Plex: and it *will* be able to select certain paths to search or ignore, but doesnt yet |
| 22:35:37 | Com[Plex | ooh. I see yet another one, mailapplet.. that must be -yet another taskbar icon- ? |
| 22:35:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:35:48 | kergoth | we like applets |
| 22:35:50 | Com[Plex | nice, is it stable? |
| 22:35:50 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:36:16 | gac76 | whats the command to set the defaulkt gateway in term? |
| 22:36:20 | mark | kergoth: who was it working on X for oz? |
| 22:36:31 | mark | gac76: route add default gw x.x.x.x |
| 22:36:31 | kergoth | mark: prpplague and mdz are both working on it |
| 22:36:38 | deebee | thank you all for your help |
| 22:36:40 | gac76 | thanks |
| 22:36:42 | kergoth | mark: prpplague has .mk's to build it with the OZ buildroot |
| 22:36:55 | kergoth | mark: so foresee a intird.bin with X preinstalled soon |
| 22:36:57 | kergoth | mark: :-) |
| 22:37:07 | mark | kergoth: nice |
| 22:37:16 | Com[Plex | is opiealarm like an alarmclock? |
| 22:37:17 | gac76 | when i undock and the dock again it forgets that, it seems like i have to do it everytime |
| 22:37:23 | mark | kergoth: I can run gpe on my z then :P |
| 22:37:24 | kergoth | Com[Plex: dont install it |
| 22:37:26 | gac76 | how can i fix? |
| 22:37:26 | kergoth | Com[Plex: it doesnt with with the Z yet |
| 22:37:33 | kergoth | mark: yes, exactly |
| 22:37:38 | kergoth | mark: or even multi boot, opie/gpe |
| 22:37:38 | Com[Plex | and uh. good thing I asked! |
| 22:37:40 | kergoth | mark: and shit |
| 22:37:45 | kergoth | Com[Plex: definately, ill remove that from teh feed |
| 22:37:46 | KGBudz | what do you guys mean when you say z |
| 22:37:47 | KGBudz | zaurus? |
| 22:37:53 | kergoth | KGBudz: yes, short fro zaurus |
| 22:38:00 | mark | KGBudz: yes |
| 22:38:06 | kergoth | KGBudz: we're lazy bastards who like typing the least number of characters ;-) |
| 22:38:14 | KGBudz | ya |
| 22:38:31 | gac76 | mark, how can i get the defauly gateway thing to stay in there? |
| 22:38:36 | gac76 | its like it keps forgetting |
| 22:38:42 | mark | gac76: OZ or retail? |
| 22:38:48 | gac76 | retail |
| 22:38:52 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 22:38:59 | moot | jonny |
| 22:39:00 | Com[Plex | whats this opie-qipkg ? |
| 22:39:04 | Com[Plex | moot. what do yuo want |
| 22:39:57 | kolla | I havent installed a ipk using the graphical tools at all since I installed OZ :) |
| 22:40:18 | kolla | I noticed that there are two of them though |
| 22:40:36 | kergoth | Com[Plex: qipkg is the old school installer from qtopia |
| 22:40:46 | mark | gac76: edit /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf |
| 22:40:46 | kergoth | kolla: oipkg is preferred |
| 22:41:16 | mark | gac76: if you are using usb networking. add GATEWAY = x.x.x.x |
| 22:42:10 | Com[Plex | is opie-reader and opie-qpdf the same? |
| 22:42:23 | Com[Plex | no wait, readers a newsgroup reader isnt it |
| 22:42:42 | kergoth | not news no |
| 22:42:45 | gac76 | add my dns? or 192.168.129.200 |
| 22:42:47 | kergoth | its for reading ebooks and shit |
| 22:42:54 | Com[Plex | ahh. coo |
| 22:43:07 | moot | 192.bleh |
| 22:43:10 | moot | goto terminal |
| 22:43:17 | VerxHome | howdy everyone |
| 22:43:21 | VerxHome | how goes it? |
| 22:43:23 | moot | route add default gw 191.168.129.200 |
| 22:43:31 | VerxHome | just got home a bit ago |
| 22:43:34 | VerxHome | looks at moot |
| 22:43:38 | VerxHome | that line looks VERY familiar |
| 22:43:38 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:43:43 | gac76 | right, but it 'forgets' eveytime is break the cradle connection |
| 22:43:56 | moot | yes |
| 22:43:58 | moot | gac it does tha t:( |
| 22:44:01 | mark_ | kergoth: I really wish qtopia/opie worked completely properly on X, that'd be sweet |
| 22:44:03 | moot | you can make a sh i guess |
| 22:44:04 | moot | i dont know how |
| 22:44:09 | moot | ASK VERX HE KNOWS ALL |
| 22:44:09 | moot | :) |
| 22:44:13 | kergoth | mark_: it works.. but yeah, not properly cause of the lack of QCOP |
| 22:44:19 | VerxHome | hides |
| 22:44:23 | VerxHome | actually knows NOTHING |
| 22:44:27 | VerxHome | NOTHING I SAY! |
| 22:44:27 | gac76 | he |
| 22:44:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: liar!! |
| 22:44:36 | VerxHome | truly |
| 22:44:41 | kergoth | gives up his tech support post to Verx |
| 22:44:43 | VerxHome | kergoth knows 10 billion times more than me |
| 22:44:47 | VerxHome | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:44:49 | kergoth | muahaha |
| 22:44:53 | VerxHome | I won't answer the phones |
| 22:44:54 | VerxHome | I won't |
| 22:44:58 | gac76 | well, i can see neither of u wants to help me |
| 22:44:59 | VerxHome | I am telling you right now |
| 22:45:01 | VerxHome | I won't |
| 22:45:01 | gac76 | so i wont bother now |
| 22:45:12 | VerxHome | gac76: heheh, I was just joking around |
| 22:45:14 | mark_ | gac76: get the gateway instruction? |
| 22:45:18 | VerxHome | I have no clue if I wanna help you or not |
| 22:45:19 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:45:20 | mark_ | kergoth: yah, and title bar's are wrong apparently. |
| 22:45:20 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 22:45:20 | [DrEvil] | ibot feed |
| 22:45:26 | VerxHome | gac76: What are you having trouble with? |
| 22:45:28 | kergoth | mark_: oh yah, no OK and shit |
| 22:45:31 | kergoth | mark_: forgot about that |
| 22:45:42 | kolla | http://dragons.espsw.net/dragonfeed/ |
| 22:45:44 | kolla | it's nice |
| 22:45:56 | kolla | has usefull stuff like gcc in ipkgs |
| 22:46:09 | gac76 | verx: i dont wanna keep redoing the default gateway everytime i break the cradle connection |
| 22:46:13 | Fatbum | chola |
| 22:46:20 | gac76 | mark, the edit command 'not found' |
| 22:46:21 | mark_ | gac76: i just told you what to do |
| 22:46:30 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 22:46:33 | VerxHome | I don't |
| 22:46:35 | kergoth | gac76: edit being a verb, not a command |
| 22:46:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:46:43 | VerxHome | gac76: You are saying that you pull your Z out of the cradle |
| 22:46:48 | Com[Plex | uh oh.. qpdf wont install. |
| 22:46:52 | VerxHome | and when you put it back you have to re-issue the default gw? |
| 22:46:55 | mark_ | gac76: use nano, vi, ae, textedit, whatever :) |
| 22:46:56 | Com[Plex | missing gzip.. is that on there? |
| 22:46:57 | moot | i cant get shit ot install too com : |
| 22:46:57 | gac76 | yes |
| 22:46:59 | Fatbum | 9 ports open on my z |
| 22:47:02 | mark_ | gac76: just a file edit |
| 22:47:05 | VerxHome | gac76: Weird |
| 22:47:10 | VerxHome | I don't have that situation at all |
| 22:47:12 | kergoth | VerxHome: shitty shitty hotplug scripts! |
| 22:47:14 | VerxHome | are you on OZ or sharp rom |
| 22:47:18 | kergoth | VerxHome: for the lineo usbd network stuff |
| 22:47:19 | gac76 | sharp |
| 22:47:22 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 22:47:23 | Fatbum | VerxHome idont have that prob either |
| 22:47:24 | VerxHome | I am on OZ |
| 22:47:27 | VerxHome | thankfully |
| 22:47:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: OZ uses those same hotplug scriptsp though |
| 22:47:33 | gac76 | its that much better? |
| 22:47:33 | VerxHome | so I am guessing it is an issue with the sharp rom |
| 22:47:34 | mark_ | gac76: just get a text editor, edit that file as I said, and you'll be fine |
| 22:47:34 | kergoth | VerxHome: unfortunately |
| 22:47:42 | mark_ | VerxHome: your probably on dhcpd? |
| 22:47:46 | VerxHome | mark: Nope |
| 22:47:50 | VerxHome | static 100% |
| 22:47:53 | kergoth | VerxHome: we're about to switch it to just call ifup and ifdown and use /etc/network/interfaces :-) |
| 22:47:55 | VerxHome | I refuse to do dhcp |
| 22:47:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: which is how it should be |
| 22:48:02 | Com[Plex | moot, id yuo reinstall the new ipkg and oipkg when you last flashed? |
| 22:48:07 | mark_ | VerxHome: where is it getting the gateway from then? |
| 22:48:09 | Com[Plex | Ill msg you |
| 22:48:11 | Fatbum | just got wlan card for 65 bucks |
| 22:48:16 | Fatbum | woot |
| 22:48:18 | VerxHome | kergoth: You know, that is how debian was when I first got it, and quite frankly, I thought it was brilliant |
| 22:48:20 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:48:20 | gac76 | where? |
| 22:48:27 | kergoth | VerxHome: interfaces is amazing, it really is |
| 22:48:27 | Fatbum | the eebs |
| 22:48:33 | kergoth | VerxHome: it can do some amazing things |
| 22:48:33 | VerxHome | kergoth: When it works |
| 22:48:34 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:48:35 | Fatbum | i bought it from my z :-) |
| 22:48:35 | kergoth | VerxHome: yeah |
| 22:48:37 | Com[Plex | verx, I got 32 static ip addressss, but I use dhcp to assign them based on nic address. |
| 22:48:47 | kergoth | VerxHome: wembly is converting it to interfaces. we'll convert /etc/pcmcia/network to interfaces as well. |
| 22:48:58 | kergoth | VerxHome: just think,... *one* place to configure all your networks! |
| 22:49:01 | kergoth | VerxHome: even pcmcia! hehe |
| 22:49:01 | VerxHome | well, that would be nice |
| 22:49:07 | VerxHome | right now |
| 22:49:07 | kergoth | pcmcia-cs is so lame |
| 22:49:13 | VerxHome | I am in network hell on my ipaq |
| 22:49:25 | VerxHome | my Z only uses usb currently |
| 22:49:26 | VerxHome | so it is nice |
| 22:49:27 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:49:30 | mark_ | VerxHome: where is it getting the gateway from then? :) |
| 22:49:39 | VerxHome | mark: eh? |
| 22:49:46 | VerxHome | my desktop is the Z's gateway |
| 22:49:57 | VerxHome | kergoth: Where is the OZ equivalent to rc.local ? |
| 22:49:59 | VerxHome | or is there one? |
| 22:50:00 | mark_ | VerxHome: yes, how does the Z know that? |
| 22:50:05 | kergoth | VerxHome: debian has never had a rc.local |
| 22:50:10 | kergoth | VerxHome: you could add one if you really wanted |
| 22:50:12 | ljp_studio | sugar make me a bloody mary |
| 22:50:13 | Sugar | shakes vodka, tomato juice, lemon juice, worcestershire sauce, tabasco sauce, salt and pepper to taste and ice, strains it into an old-fashioned glass over ice cubes then adds wedge of lime and serves it to ljp_studio. |
| 22:50:18 | kergoth | VerxHome: but i find it encourages hacks rather than proper solutions |
| 22:50:25 | VerxHome | that is true kergoth |
| 22:50:28 | Com[Plex | haha |
| 22:50:28 | VerxHome | I have always been a hack |
| 22:50:29 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:50:31 | Com[Plex | locked up again |
| 22:50:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: aha |
| 22:50:40 | VerxHome | I don't even bother denying it |
| 22:50:43 | VerxHome | but I get things to work |
| 22:50:45 | VerxHome | honest I do |
| 22:50:46 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:51:58 | mark_ | gets his car tomorrow. yey |
| 22:52:44 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: finally set Sources= where they're needed, fyi |
| 22:52:50 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: what else needed to be done again? |
| 22:52:58 | VerxHome | kergoth: What init.d script starts usb networking? |
| 22:52:58 | [DrEvil] | the touch statements |
| 22:53:03 | ljp_studio | worked on his car today |
| 22:53:03 | [DrEvil] | changing the * |
| 22:53:12 | [DrEvil] | to something with version tags |
| 22:53:13 | kergoth | ah thats right |
| 22:53:13 | VerxHome | cuz I don't see a single one that does |
| 22:53:15 | mark_ | ljp_studio: doing what? |
| 22:53:21 | kergoth | VerxHome: hotplug does it all |
| 22:53:25 | VerxHome | eesh |
| 22:53:25 | VerxHome | ok |
| 22:53:31 | mark_ | VerxHome: hotplug |
| 22:53:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: /etc/modules loads the usbdmontior module that causes the hotplug events |
| 22:53:44 | [DrEvil] | is going to go to Cawstco |
| 22:53:47 | [DrEvil] | l8r |
| 22:53:56 | ljp_studio | mark: I tightened the alternator belt |
| 22:53:56 | gac76 | mark, i looked in usbdnet and the IP is what i set it to w/ route ad...... |
| 22:54:03 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: later, i'll have this shit committed shorlty as well |
| 22:54:08 | Fatbum | any1 else heard of the new prism chipset that will be 100mbps? |
| 22:54:16 | kergoth | gac76: he said to add GATEWAY, did you? |
| 22:54:17 | ljp_studio | by way of taking of the rear tire to get at it ;) |
| 22:54:19 | Fatbum | and like metal actually boosts instead of bounces the signal |
| 22:54:30 | VerxHome | and kergoth, what function (if any) does the cradle sync button serve in OZ? |
| 22:54:32 | gac76 | i did |
| 22:54:42 | mark_ | VerxHome: it breaks the connection |
| 22:54:47 | roge99_ | ljp_studio: rear engine car ? |
| 22:54:53 | Fatbum | vw? |
| 22:54:53 | roge99_ | fierro ? |
| 22:54:54 | Fatbum | porsche? |
| 22:54:56 | VerxHome | mark: It seems to only break it while you hold it down tho |
| 22:55:02 | Com[Plex | whats the command line ti install something to SD? ie ipkg_20020812_arm.ipk |
| 22:55:03 | kergoth | VerxHome: it 1) wakes up the Z .. |
| 22:55:04 | mark_ | VerxHome: and therefore causes hotplug to weave its magic agin |
| 22:55:08 | ljp_studio | roge99: mid engine. Its a 1986 Fiero |
| 22:55:18 | roge99_ | cool... |
| 22:55:20 | Fatbum | you win |
| 22:55:22 | kergoth | VerxHome: beyond that, dunno |
| 22:55:30 | Fatbum | so like a said... |
| 22:55:32 | mark_ | ljp_studio: sounds like fun |
| 22:55:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: ive avoided adding suipport for it into 2.5.31 yet |
| 22:55:32 | Fatbum | any1 else heard of the new prism chipset that will be 100mbps? |
| 22:55:34 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 22:55:41 | kergoth | Fatbum: we heard you the first time |
| 22:55:43 | VerxHome | mark: But on the desktop side, after I have hit the Z cradle sync button, it seems to have tons of little busy waits that occur. . . |
| 22:55:46 | kergoth | Fatbum: if someone has an answer, they'll answer |
| 22:55:50 | kergoth | Fatbum: i havent heard of it myself |
| 22:56:03 | ljp_studio | mark: it'll be more fun now that the belt wont squeak as a take off |
| 22:56:10 | Com[Plex | Man, fucking locked up again! |
| 22:56:10 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 22:56:29 | mark_ | VerxHome: I understand that what ha ppens is this: you hit the button, that breaks the connections |
| 22:57:07 | kergoth | Com[Plex: what did/ |
| 22:57:40 | mark_ | VerxHome: they when you take ur finger off the button. usbdmonitor notes the reform on the Z side, hotplug runs brings up the interface. Something in the winblows drivers also notes the new connection, and does its magic. |
| 22:58:06 | VerxHome | anyone know what you add to usbdnet.conf to configure your gateway? |
| 22:58:11 | VerxHome | I tried GATEWAY= |
| 22:58:15 | VerxHome | but it didn't do anything |
| 22:58:29 | VerxHome | tries GW= now |
| 22:58:56 | moot | JONNAY |
| 22:59:29 | mark_ | VerxHome: I thought it was GATEWAY, that worked for me iirc |
| 22:59:33 | Com[Plex | uh,. the theme manager. - apearance |
| 22:59:41 | Com[Plex | UI had to reboot, and now it wont open |
| 22:59:45 | VerxHome | mark, I tried it, to no avail |
| 22:59:50 | Com[Plex | now nothing will open |
| 22:59:52 | Com[Plex | rebooting agin |
| 22:59:54 | mark_ | VerxHome: odd |
| 23:00:50 | KGBudz | how do you kill a program if it freezes |
| 23:00:56 | KGBudz | and takes up the entire screen |
| 23:01:18 | Com[Plex | with the reset button |
| 23:01:19 | Com[Plex | thers no keycombo |
| 23:01:33 | KGBudz | reset button? |
| 23:01:56 | KGBudz | the button that flashes my mem? |
| 23:02:45 | kergoth | KGBudz: if you cant get back to the launcher... |
| 23:02:55 | kergoth | KGBudz: then you have to soft reset (flip the battery switch and flilp it back) |
| 23:03:46 | Com[Plex | man, I installed the metal heme and now I cant get into the appearance applet |
| 23:03:50 | Fatbum | how do you use adhoc? what would me and my friend need to configure to use it? |
| 23:04:03 | kergoth | Fatbum: google is your friend |
| 23:04:09 | Fatbum | danke |
| 23:04:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:04:16 | Fatbum | i like human interaction |
| 23:04:17 | kergoth | np |
| 23:04:25 | Fatbum | but i realise now i should have looked first |
| 23:04:29 | mark | Fatbum: just have a look in wlansettings, its not hard |
| 23:04:34 | kergoth | well, thats all well and good, but people like to help those who help themselves :-) |
| 23:04:36 | Fatbum | i meant like.. zaurus specific but ill figure it out |
| 23:04:37 | moot | kerg |
| 23:04:40 | moot | i found another bug :P |
| 23:04:52 | moot | remember how when i wanted to install 1 ipkg it displayed the other? |
| 23:04:54 | Com[Plex | is there a way to change a theme without usibng the theme manager? |
| 23:05:00 | moot | well i said ok, in fact it tries to install the right one |
| 23:05:05 | kergoth | Com[Plex: edit the conf file in question |
| 23:05:06 | moot | but says invalid magic |
| 23:05:09 | Com[Plex | k |
| 23:05:10 | moot | Error while installing ipkg |
| 23:06:08 | moot | gets ready to reinstall :P |
| 23:06:37 | moot | flash her ei come |
| 23:06:47 | moot | 6 hours down the drain! :( |
| 23:06:55 | Com[Plex | haha |
| 23:06:58 | Com[Plex | practice makes perfect :> |
| 23:07:06 | moot | fuck YOU :P |
| 23:07:10 | moot | huggle complex |
| 23:07:12 | moot | jerk :) |
| 23:07:18 | VerxHome | kergoth: You have time to look at something? |
| 23:07:23 | VerxHome | I have a proposal for a change to OZ |
| 23:07:26 | mark | moot: i bet ur good and presing C+D plus reset button now |
| 23:07:28 | kergoth | VerxHome: not really, but i'll look anyway :-) |
| 23:07:34 | moot | oh yes |
| 23:07:36 | kergoth | VerxHome: whats up |
| 23:07:37 | moot | im perfecto |
| 23:07:39 | moot | turn it over |
| 23:07:46 | kergoth | VerxHome: feel free to email if its long, otherwise we can discuss here |
| 23:07:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: also #openzaurus is probably more appropriate |
| 23:07:55 | moot | cd, finger on battery and 2 grasping the stylus and pushin reset |
| 23:07:57 | VerxHome | ok |
| 23:07:59 | VerxHome | I will go there |
| 23:07:59 | VerxHome | sec |
| 23:08:06 | kergoth | VerxHome: k |
| 23:10:57 | BigBoss | we just finished porting our Kivio mp product to OS X now |
| 23:11:07 | Com[Plex | aRGH sob. my appearance application wont run :< |
| 23:11:13 | mark | BigBoss: more than a recompile then? |
| 23:11:17 | Com[Plex | it jsut sits there with the clicked flares on the icon |
| 23:11:42 | Com[Plex | hey bigboss, any idea when your gonna make the tkc player play low bit rate mp3s at the right speed? |
| 23:12:20 | jbwiv | hello all... |
| 23:12:50 | Fatbum | hi |
| 23:13:14 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 23:13:16 | jbwiv | hey, an OT question. Anyone here use win4lin at all? |
| 23:13:22 | tux_mike | contemplates evil marketing idea |
| 23:16:10 | BigBoss | mark: actually we just had to get TT to fix a bug in Qt for OS X and it was pretty trivial |
| 23:16:18 | BigBoss | we got Kivo MP ported in less than a day |
| 23:16:57 | Com[Plex | hey bigboss, I ahte to repeat myself, but Im cuious, any idea when your gonna make the tkc player play low bit rate mp3s at the right speed? |
| 23:17:19 | erikd | hello people |
| 23:17:21 | Com[Plex | right now they play at about 4 times the normal speed, <I encode my mp3s to 64bit so they fit more on the cd |
| 23:17:28 | Com[Plex | 65kb |
| 23:17:37 | erikd | is finding stuff to do while he compiles gentoo linux |
| 23:18:32 | mark | BigBoss: heh. the power of qt... |
| 23:18:47 | Com[Plex | bigboss, you still work for TKC right? am I asking the wrongperson? |
| 23:18:57 | mark | heeh @ work for |
| 23:19:03 | kergoth | Com[Plex: he owns tkc/ |
| 23:19:04 | kergoth | hh |
| 23:19:25 | KGBudz | is there a kill command to kill all programs |
| 23:19:27 | Com[Plex | (I know, im just trying to understand why hes ignoring me) |
| 23:19:33 | Com[Plex | I dont think he likes me very much |
| 23:19:45 | kergoth | Com[Plex: just because he's in the channel doesnt mean he's even at his computer |
| 23:19:53 | kergoth | Com[Plex: i idle in here all the time, whether i'm awake or not |
| 23:19:57 | moot | [ 20:22:16 ] [ BigBoss ] we got Kivo MP ported in less than a day |
| 23:19:59 | moot | he was a minute ago |
| 23:20:01 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:20:06 | kergoth | so maybe he's taking a piss |
| 23:20:08 | moot | slaps kerg |
| 23:20:08 | Com[Plex | I bought the player a long time ago, never even use it because it has never been able to play my mp3s. |
| 23:20:09 | moot | :) |
| 23:20:09 | kergoth | you dont know |
| 23:20:11 | moot | holy |
| 23:20:11 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:20:11 | moot | SHIT |
| 23:20:12 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 23:20:15 | moot | moly holy |
| 23:20:17 | Com[Plex | I think he doesnt like me |
| 23:20:18 | kergoth | moot: ? |
| 23:20:20 | Com[Plex | suop moot |
| 23:20:21 | moot | ligntning |
| 23:20:22 | Com[Plex | sup |
| 23:20:23 | moot | just hit |
| 23:20:24 | Com[Plex | ahh |
| 23:20:25 | moot | house next |
| 23:20:25 | moot | to me |
| 23:20:29 | moot | MY EARS |
| 23:20:43 | Com[Plex | hehe, reboot again |
| 23:20:47 | Fatbum | ouch |
| 23:21:08 | VerxHome | complex, you trying to see how many times you have to reboot? |
| 23:21:25 | Com[Plex | hehe, yeah verx, I cant get the appeaance application to open |
| 23:21:32 | Fatbum | any1 know the format of an essid? |
| 23:21:39 | Com[Plex | it keeps locking up. so I tried uninstaling it, but that locked up |
| 23:21:49 | moot | jesus christ |
| 23:21:51 | Com[Plex | uh.. |
| 23:21:58 | kergoth | Fatbum: in the wireless applet, it has to be hex, not ascii |
| 23:21:58 | moot | my friend msged me a sec after i last spoke |
| 23:22:03 | moot | Thrawn1984: holy shit did you hear that thunder |
| 23:22:04 | moot | lol |
| 23:22:14 | Fatbum | hahaha |
| 23:22:15 | Fatbum | cool |
| 23:22:18 | VerxHome | moot, yeah, was very loud |
| 23:22:22 | Com[Plex | and you were like THUNDER!? IT ALMOST HIT ME! |
| 23:22:23 | VerxHome | /me ducks |
| 23:22:26 | moot | yeah :) |
| 23:22:28 | Fatbum | coughs |
| 23:22:30 | moot | Flyer07930: YES |
| 23:22:31 | moot | Flyer07930: IT WAS NEXTO ME |
| 23:22:31 | Com[Plex | hehe |
| 23:22:39 | Fatbum | also turns his head |
| 23:22:53 | erikd | fatbum: wrong order |
| 23:22:58 | Fatbum | i know |
| 23:23:01 | erikd | :) |
| 23:23:02 | Com[Plex | OH YOU BITCH! now the appearance button is gone, but I cant open oipkg! |
| 23:23:28 | Com[Plex | *sigh* |
| 23:23:31 | Com[Plex | reflash time |
| 23:24:45 | Com[Plex | I cant even get the tkc-gallery to install on here. not that I would ever use it. |
| 23:25:45 | kergoth | Com[Plex: what errors? |
| 23:25:55 | Fatbum | bigboss how much you charge for every tkc app |
| 23:25:59 | Fatbum | with updates? |
| 23:26:04 | Fatbum | like everysingle one |
| 23:26:09 | Fatbum | one big package |
| 23:26:32 | Com[Plex | uh.. it just hangs when trying to install it. |
| 23:26:35 | Com[Plex | locks up. |
| 23:26:43 | VerxHome | fatbum check www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 23:26:46 | VerxHome | it explains pricing |
| 23:26:50 | VerxHome | and updates are free |
| 23:26:55 | VerxHome | they are very nice that way |
| 23:27:00 | kergoth | VerxHome, moot, anyone else: theres a new hotplug package in the feed that can handle GATEWAY in usbdnet.conf |
| 23:27:04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:27:10 | VerxHome | kergoth: Interesting |
| 23:27:13 | Com[Plex | unless your telling me to go to the /var/log folder and look there.. are you? |
| 23:27:17 | Com[Plex | ahh, nice! |
| 23:27:21 | VerxHome | I am betting it is quite similar to my own hotplug scripts |
| 23:27:21 | kergoth | VerxHome: ;-) |
| 23:27:21 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:27:23 | kergoth | i'm sure |
| 23:27:30 | VerxHome | heheheh |
| 23:28:31 | moot | HELL YES! |
| 23:28:34 | moot | cries |
| 23:28:40 | VerxHome | what moot? |
| 23:28:53 | moot | YES! |
| 23:28:56 | moot | [ @kergoth ] VerxHome, moot, anyone else: theres a new hotplug package in the feed that can handle GATEWAY in usbdnet.conf |
| 23:28:58 | VerxHome | moot, talk to me man |
| 23:28:59 | VerxHome | what is it? |
| 23:28:59 | moot | :) |
| 23:29:04 | moot | that |
| 23:29:06 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 23:29:06 | VerxHome | heh |
| 23:29:10 | VerxHome | well, I wrote it |
| 23:29:13 | VerxHome | and kergoth modified it |
| 23:29:15 | VerxHome | AND |
| 23:29:15 | moot | ;D |
| 23:29:18 | VerxHome | he put it in the feed |
| 23:29:19 | moot | well send me it |
| 23:29:20 | VerxHome | he be da man |
| 23:29:21 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:29:21 | moot | whats it called |
| 23:29:25 | kergoth | moot: its in the feed |
| 23:29:25 | moot | ?/// |
| 23:29:27 | kergoth | moot: its called 'hotplug' |
| 23:29:28 | kergoth | :-P |
| 23:29:34 | VerxHome | moot: Just add your gateway one last time |
| 23:29:36 | kergoth | its just a newer version of the hotplug package |
| 23:29:42 | VerxHome | and do an update |
| 23:29:46 | VerxHome | and an upgrade |
| 23:29:49 | VerxHome | then you should be set |
| 23:31:43 | Com[Plex | till the next time he reflashes/!! LOL |
| 23:31:56 | Com[Plex | he should download it and put it on his cf along with the ipkg update |
| 23:32:02 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 23:32:09 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone using their Z with a cellphone over IR? |
| 23:32:25 | Com[Plex | whats this package for? at_3.1.8-3_arm.ipk |
| 23:32:31 | Com[Plex | at ? |
| 23:32:34 | lazer- | where can i get the 32-sd rom (hack one not openzaurus) ? |
| 23:32:35 | kergoth | Com[Plex: at |
| 23:32:37 | kergoth | Com[Plex: hehe |
| 23:32:37 | mark | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 23:32:49 | kergoth | lazer-: the sd-on-home deal from paul? |
| 23:32:54 | TheMasterMind1 | mark: what phone? |
| 23:33:06 | mark | TheMasterMind1: siemens s25 |
| 23:33:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:33:12 | TheMasterMind1 | and it works? |
| 23:33:17 | KGBudz | where do i find the icons i can use? |
| 23:33:23 | mark | beautifuly |
| 23:33:34 | lazer- | kergoth : yes this one |
| 23:33:35 | Com[Plex | :> whats at do? :> - is it like @ location do n? |
| 23:34:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:34:12 | kergoth | Com[Plex: at time do n |
| 23:34:17 | TheMasterMind1 | my nokia 3360 is bitching |
| 23:34:22 | Com[Plex | llol |
| 23:34:24 | kergoth | Com[Plex: i.e. do a build this afternoon at 4 |
| 23:34:25 | kergoth | Com[Plex: or what have you |
| 23:34:34 | Com[Plex | no battery in my z, and the oz screen just wont shut off |
| 23:34:37 | lazer- | i have a sl-5000d and im always running out of memory, wich rom is the best one for me ? |
| 23:34:40 | erikd | anyone have the inside scoop on how long it takes the 5000d's sharp's shipping to get to their destination after they're shipped? |
| 23:34:47 | moot | oz! |
| 23:34:47 | moot | :D |
| 23:34:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: my cf is coming in soon so i can start working on and testing that kernel |
| 23:34:57 | TheMasterMind1 | and install OZ :P |
| 23:35:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: great |
| 23:35:11 | Com[Plex | I dont want to reflash yet :< |
| 23:36:37 | moot | FUCK |
| 23:36:39 | moot | jesu schrist |
| 23:36:45 | Com[Plex | hey kergoth, I know I have asked this before,, but is there a way to stop OZ from booting to the gui on bootup? |
| 23:36:50 | moot | i try to install moo |
| 23:36:53 | moot | and it wants to do ipkg. |
| 23:36:55 | Com[Plex | besides terminaling opie from he shutdown menu |
| 23:36:57 | moot | i just installed it, from cf |
| 23:37:02 | moot | so now it wants to do it. |
| 23:37:18 | kergoth | Com[Plex: not yet, no |
| 23:37:20 | kergoth | Com[Plex: we're working on it |
| 23:37:24 | Com[Plex | k |
| 23:37:29 | roge99 | Com[Plex: edit the startup scrtipts so it dosent start opie :-) |
| 23:37:35 | kergoth | Com[Plex: we need a bootup menu to select what to do .. opie/gpe/console/picogui or whatever |
| 23:37:46 | kergoth | roge99: hehe. mv /etc/init.d/opie /etc/init.d/opie-disabled |
| 23:37:51 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 23:37:55 | roge99 | right |
| 23:37:55 | moot | kerg |
| 23:37:59 | moot | can you add something to the feed for me |
| 23:38:05 | moot | i cant update unless its from a feed |
| 23:38:06 | kergoth | moot: what do ya need? |
| 23:38:07 | moot | im going nuts. |
| 23:38:10 | moot | mooview |
| 23:38:14 | moot | its a good image viewer :/ |
| 23:38:16 | kergoth | where is it? |
| 23:38:18 | moot | i have it :/ |
| 23:38:21 | kergoth | darienm|away: wheres zsibot? |
| 23:38:27 | kergoth | moot: url me man |
| 23:38:30 | moot | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=232 |
| 23:38:30 | LordDavon | I GOT IT!!!! |
| 23:38:36 | kergoth | LordDavon: ? |
| 23:38:45 | LordDavon | qmame is compiled and installed. :) |
| 23:38:54 | LordDavon | I had to remove about 40 roms. |
| 23:38:57 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:38:58 | LordDavon | 12MB. lol |
| 23:38:59 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:39:01 | kergoth | fuck |
| 23:39:10 | kergoth | we need to remove some machine support or something |
| 23:39:10 | moot | hey where does hotplug install |
| 23:39:15 | VerxHome | the 12MB is worthwhile tho |
| 23:39:18 | kergoth | moot: ? |
| 23:39:22 | kergoth | moot: its already installed man |
| 23:39:25 | kergoth | moot: to root |
| 23:39:26 | moot | yeah well |
| 23:39:27 | VerxHome | it has support for everything |
| 23:39:28 | moot | how do i edit it |
| 23:39:29 | moot | ? |
| 23:39:34 | kergoth | moot: edit what? |
| 23:39:36 | LordDavon | I am going to get the changes written up and get the code ready. |
| 23:39:36 | kergoth | moot: you seem confused |
| 23:39:38 | moot | hotplug! |
| 23:39:43 | moot | you said it would fix my net problems |
| 23:39:45 | kergoth | moot: hotplug is a collection of like 20 scripts |
| 23:39:52 | moot | well my one :/ |
| 23:39:53 | kergoth | moot: 'edit it' |
| 23:39:54 | kergoth | moot: blah |
| 23:40:00 | kergoth | moot: i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 23:40:02 | moot | im asking how tho :P |
| 23:40:03 | moot | errrr |
| 23:40:12 | moot | [ @kergoth ] VerxHome, moot, anyone else: theres a new hotplug package in the feed that can handle GATEWAY in usbdnet.conf |
| 23:40:14 | kergoth | moot: if you want to add the gateway, edit /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf and add GATEWAY=192.168.129.200 |
| 23:40:17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:40:20 | kergoth | exactly what i said |
| 23:40:29 | kergoth | "can handle GATEWAY in usbdnet.conf" |
| 23:40:40 | kergoth | VerxHome told you to edit that file and add the gateway line |
| 23:40:43 | kergoth | it didnt work before |
| 23:40:43 | moot | can i not edit that in Conf Edit? |
| 23:40:45 | kergoth | it works now |
| 23:40:47 | kergoth | no |
| 23:40:49 | TheMasterMind1 | does debian do hotplugging |
| 23:40:50 | moot | k |
| 23:40:50 | kergoth | you edit that with text editor |
| 23:40:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 23:40:54 | TheMasterMind1 | ignore that stupid question |
| 23:41:28 | TheMasterMind1 | also, has anyone gotten the new apache.24 and php4.2 working on the sharp rom? i can get apache working but php files don't parse |
| 23:41:53 | kergoth | i havent tried it myself |
| 23:42:20 | TheMasterMind1 | aparently it works on the OZ rom when you get libdb.so.3 and symlink it to .2 |
| 23:42:31 | TheMasterMind1 | but php doesn't work still on the sharp |
| 23:42:37 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well, i'll wait until i get oz on this thing |
| 23:43:03 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:43:15 | kergoth | oh shit, i need to try this new quake mod on /. |
| 23:43:27 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 23:43:35 | moot | kerg |
| 23:43:37 | moot | did you add moo to the feed? |
| 23:43:57 | kergoth | moot: need a url, where is it? |
| 23:44:08 | kergoth | moot: oh nevermind, you gave it to me |
| 23:44:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:45:15 | kergoth | shit sf is fast today! |
| 23:45:23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: btw, if usbdnet has a problem where it stops working after trying to transfer data, its because the old uhci usb driver is in the kernel. the option for the new one isn't shown until you uncheck the old. |
| 23:46:13 | moot | herm |
| 23:46:21 | moot | kerg, how or when does that file exec |
| 23:46:30 | moot | i added "route add default gw 192.168.129.200" |
| 23:46:31 | moot | into it |
| 23:46:37 | moot | and i plug into cradle |
| 23:46:47 | moot | try to update, and it wont, and thats usually when i dont enter it in terminal |
| 23:46:57 | KGBudz | how do i make qt update its desktops |
| 23:47:19 | TheMasterMind1 | good question |
| 23:47:26 | TheMasterMind1 | i know it does it when you install an ipkg |
| 23:47:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno how to invoke that |
| 23:47:34 | TheMasterMind1 | it would be a handy thing to know |
| 23:47:36 | KGBudz | o |
| 23:47:41 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:47:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its a qcop call |
| 23:47:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you can issue it from the command line with the qcop binary |
| 23:47:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but i dont know which call it is offhand |
| 23:48:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:48:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i gotta jet |
| 23:48:10 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 23:48:51 | moot | grr. |
| 23:48:57 | moot | that conf edit now i cant even SYNC |
| 23:49:12 | KGBudz | when i issue a reboot or shutdown now, my zaurus freezes |
| 23:49:21 | KGBudz | accually, scratch that |
| 23:49:27 | KGBudz | but it freezes on a shutdown now |
| 23:49:33 | LordDavon | YES! Ghosts -n- Goblins is working!!!! |
| 23:49:51 | gac76 | ghosts and goblins?!? |
| 23:49:55 | gac76 | where'd u get that |
| 23:50:18 | LordDavon | qmame |
| 23:50:28 | gac76 | wtf is that |
| 23:51:08 | kergoth | ghosts and goblins! |
| 23:51:08 | kergoth | sweett |
| 23:51:13 | kergoth | i remember that game |
| 23:51:24 | moot | kerg, it on the feed yet? |
| 23:51:36 | kergoth | moot: yeah |
| 23:51:38 | kergoth | moot: updte |
| 23:51:38 | moot | ty |
| 23:51:42 | kergoth | np |
| 23:51:43 | moot | well i cant sync |
| 23:51:45 | moot | after that edit :( |
| 23:51:52 | moot | i took it out and am rebootin :/ |
| 23:52:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: you're on the SF project |
| 23:52:05 | kergoth | VerxHome: check out from cvs using ssh this time |
| 23:52:13 | kergoth | VerxHome: then you'll be able to add and commit and shit from that tree |
| 23:52:41 | LordDavon | Ok. Do I need to get permission to redistribute the modified sources? |
| 23:53:00 | kergoth | LordDavon: iirc qmame is gpl |
| 23:53:04 | kergoth | LordDavon: read the licensing info in the sources |
| 23:53:14 | LordDavon | Ok. How about the binaries. |
| 23:53:15 | Com[Plex | say, does the opie appearance application <and themes> work under the sharp rom? |
| 23:53:24 | kergoth | LordDavon: binaries are fine, as long as you make the sources avialable |
| 23:53:36 | kergoth | Com[Plex: doubt it. |
| 23:53:45 | Com[Plex | hehehe |
| 23:53:58 | LordDavon | Ok. kerg and moot. You two want a copy to test out while I get the sources ready? |
| 23:54:11 | moot | sure |
| 23:54:15 | kergoth | why not |
| 23:54:22 | LordDavon | You both have dcc? |
| 23:54:24 | kergoth | flashes OZ, so he has opie again |
| 23:54:27 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:54:35 | gac76 | lord, dccme as well? |
| 23:54:35 | moot | yep |
| 23:54:49 | LordDavon | Please do not redistrib until I get the sources available. |
| 23:54:57 | kergoth | gac76: you see GATEWAY works in usbdnet.conf now? |
| 23:55:00 | moot | aye |
| 23:55:08 | gac76 | nah |
| 23:55:08 | kergoth | gac76: grab the latest hotplug from the OZ feed, assuming you're on OZ |
| 23:55:10 | moot | kerg: whats the file name on it? |
| 23:55:17 | moot | mooview? |
| 23:55:18 | gac76 | not on OZ |
| 23:55:21 | gac76 | soon though |
| 23:55:32 | kergoth | k |
| 23:55:46 | kergoth | moot: yeah th epackge name is mooview-versionorwhatever.ipk |
| 23:55:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:55:50 | LordDavon | Thank you both for helping this newbie get everything setup. :) |
| 23:56:06 | Com[Plex | what is this file for? opie-update_0.9.1_arm.ipk |
| 23:56:07 | moot | wait is it GATEWAY 192.168.129.200 |
| 23:56:16 | moot | or route add default dw 192? |
| 23:56:36 | kergoth | moot: in usbdnet.conf, GATEWAY=192.168.129.200 |
| 23:56:37 | VerxHome | moot |
| 23:56:40 | moot | verx |
| 23:56:41 | kergoth | moot: it'll do the route add and del for you |
| 23:56:42 | kolla | is there a way to have ipkg just display a list of updated packages? |
| 23:56:44 | moot | ok |
| 23:56:45 | LordDavon | I need to remap the keys. |
| 23:56:47 | VerxHome | kergoth, I thought you put that in there by default now |
| 23:56:55 | VerxHome | so moot wouldn'tneed to do it |
| 23:56:58 | kergoth | VerxHome: forgot |
| 23:56:58 | gac76 | kergoth, when i open the usbdnet.conf, it doens;t save the changes |
| 23:57:00 | VerxHome | or anyone else |
| 23:57:00 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe |
| 23:57:01 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 23:57:02 | gac76 | it just saves in a new text file |
| 23:57:09 | VerxHome | that would have been a nice default methinks |
| 23:57:13 | kergoth | gac76: ? hit file->save instead of hitting OK |
| 23:57:17 | kergoth | VerxHome: i agree, i'll do it, just busy |
| 23:57:21 | moot | thanks for feeding that |
| 23:57:23 | kolla | ipkg -pretend update |
| 23:57:24 | kergoth | VerxHome: helping whardier add the libdb2 build |
| 23:57:26 | kolla | kinda |
| 23:57:26 | moot | see look i can do off feed :/ |
| 23:57:29 | VerxHome | heh, true |
| 23:57:31 | moot | but not off cf |
| 23:57:33 | moot | im gonna format it |
| 23:57:48 | kolla | thinks ipkg upgrade is scary |
| 23:58:24 | gac76 | kergoth, just add a line 'GATEWY=XXXXX'? |
| 23:58:31 | kergoth | gac76: yes |
| 23:58:39 | kergoth | gac76: assuming sharp rom supports it |
| 23:58:44 | kergoth | gac76: i know OZ does, i dont know about sharp |
| 23:58:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:59:04 | gac76 | oh well |
| 23:59:14 | gac76 | whats involved in using OZ |
| 23:59:19 | | oz is, like, see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 23:59:19 | kergoth | ibot: oz? |
| 23:59:19 | gac76 | difficult install? |
| 23:59:21 | | hmmm... openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 23:59:21 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 23:59:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:59:58 | kolla | sigh |
