| 00:00:21 | roge99_laptop | or somthing like that .... |
| 00:00:54 | VerxHome | ok, tried to remove its directory |
| 00:00:57 | VerxHome | it says: |
| 00:01:13 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: unable to stat `./touchsound.wav: Input/output error |
| 00:01:25 | VerxHome | heh |
| 00:01:30 | VerxHome | s/TheMasterMind1/rm |
| 00:01:36 | VerxHome | damned nick completion. . . |
| 00:01:43 | warmi | crap |
| 00:02:12 | VerxHome | roge99_laptop: 1.5MB free in flash |
| 00:02:17 | roge99_laptop | soulds like something is currupt |
| 00:02:19 | warmi | anyone from Trolltech here ? |
| 00:02:27 | VerxHome | roge99_laptop: I would agree |
| 00:02:31 | VerxHome | I just have no CLUE how to fix it |
| 00:02:41 | roge99_laptop | yea .... now that im thinking about i got a different error |
| 00:03:01 | roge99_laptop | can't remove file .. no space left on device ... |
| 00:03:07 | roge99_laptop | or somthing like that |
| 00:03:08 | VerxHome | yeah, I have room |
| 00:03:09 | warmi | I thought so :-) |
| 00:03:14 | VerxHome | was VERY careful to make sure I had room |
| 00:03:47 | whardier | I am VERY carefull zipping up my pants |
| 00:03:57 | whardier | can you compare to that kind of carefull? |
| 00:04:56 | VerxHome | even MORE careful |
| 00:04:56 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 00:05:03 | whardier | heh |
| 00:05:58 | ljp | ok, fine.. I'll order my own pizza... as usual... |
| 00:08:09 | ljp | hmmm was BZFlag here earlier? |
| 00:08:15 | warmi | whardier: it works .. great, thanks again |
| 00:08:27 | VerxHome | kergoth: Is there a jffs2ck type program |
| 00:08:49 | kergoth | VerxHome: ask dwmw2 |
| 00:08:50 | VerxHome | ? |
| 00:08:52 | VerxHome | ok |
| 00:09:01 | kergoth | he's the jffs2 maintainer for gods sake ;-) |
| 00:09:22 | kergoth | hmmm irssi is nifty. screw xchat and ksirc |
| 00:09:32 | kergoth | starts his kde compile back up |
| 00:10:01 | whardier | EWEWEWEWEWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 00:10:08 | whardier | thats gross |
| 00:10:21 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:10:32 | ljp | use teambuilder or distcc |
| 00:10:46 | kergoth | ljp: i've only got one box atm :-) |
| 00:10:52 | kergoth | hey kendrick2 |
| 00:10:52 | ljp | akkk nm |
| 00:10:56 | kendrick2 | re |
| 00:10:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:11:05 | kendrick2 | prepares to go to the suckramento slashdot meetup |
| 00:11:36 | kendrick2 | anyone here in/near sac? |
| 00:11:54 | kergoth | whardier: is there a kde mplayer gui yet? |
| 00:12:41 | erikd | blah |
| 00:12:48 | kendrick2 | guesses not |
| 00:12:49 | kendrick2 | gnite! |
| 00:12:50 | erikd | how the heck do you link against ah static lib? |
| 00:12:53 | VerxHome | revenge of blah |
| 00:12:57 | kendrick2 | -static ;) |
| 00:13:11 | erikd | bah |
| 00:13:28 | erikd | well, is it possible to link against both static and dynamic libs with the same binary? |
| 00:13:45 | kergoth | erikd: yes. |
| 00:14:02 | kergoth | erikd: arm-linux-gcc blah.o /path/to/libblah.a -lsharedlib |
| 00:14:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:14:08 | anselor | if i open a socket connection to a broadcast address and write to it, everyone in the subnet receives it right? (just making sure it's that simple...) |
| 00:14:11 | erikd | ohhhh |
| 00:14:15 | erikd | so i don't need the -l? |
| 00:14:20 | erikd | it's just like an object? |
| 00:14:25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:14:34 | erikd | does it get compiled into the binary then too? |
| 00:14:35 | VerxHome | erikd: That is the whole point of a static lib |
| 00:14:36 | VerxHome | :) |
| 00:14:39 | kergoth | of course |
| 00:14:40 | VerxHome | yup, it sure does. |
| 00:14:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:14:46 | erikd | never understood that :) |
| 00:14:49 | VerxHome | heh |
| 00:14:49 | erikd | gotcha |
| 00:14:53 | kergoth | damnit irssi-gtk isnt timestamping every line, just some |
| 00:14:56 | kergoth | seemingly random |
| 00:14:58 | kergoth | wtf |
| 00:14:58 | VerxHome | that's why static libs suck |
| 00:15:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:15:09 | kergoth | static libs are good |
| 00:15:22 | VerxHome | very few of them are good |
| 00:15:23 | VerxHome | :) |
| 00:15:53 | kergoth | bah |
| 00:16:07 | kergoth | static is useful in a lot of situations |
| 00:16:16 | erikd | like mine! |
| 00:16:34 | whardier | I need to fix opie-liquid |
| 00:16:35 | roge99_laptop | like roots shell |
| 00:16:48 | whardier | it does a -= to RGB pairs w/o bounds checking |
| 00:16:55 | whardier | my dark theme is very.. red |
| 00:17:03 | whardier | when it has a transparent window :) |
| 00:17:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:17:25 | ljp | fred |
| 00:17:32 | whardier | beagle |
| 00:17:56 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:18:12 | whardier | anybody thougght of making a contracting window for the start bar buttons? |
| 00:18:17 | whardier | thats a lot uf uhm.. unpretty |
| 00:18:22 | whardier | all I ever do is bitch |
| 00:18:23 | whardier | heh |
| 00:18:25 | whardier | Sorry! |
| 00:18:42 | ljp | contracting window? kinda like something that makes contracts? |
| 00:19:15 | ljp | 'I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for an applet today" |
| 00:19:29 | junxster | you mean one that will auto-hide? or one that will kindof, umm.. slide over gnome style? |
| 00:20:12 | whardier | heh! |
| 00:21:41 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 00:21:50 | VerxHome | very recently my Z has started taking a lot longer to turn on |
| 00:21:58 | VerxHome | does anyone know what contributes to power on delays? |
| 00:22:18 | ljp | sharp rom? |
| 00:22:22 | VerxHome | oz |
| 00:22:54 | warmi | erikd : so does the static version work for you ? |
| 00:23:38 | VerxHome | under oz I get no indication of time left on my battery |
| 00:23:42 | VerxHome | it simply says "good" |
| 00:24:11 | tux_mike | well, anyone want to know how many lines in i segfaulted? :) |
| 00:24:15 | whardier | rlinetd - gruesomely over-featured inetd replacement |
| 00:24:34 | ljp | verx: it does that on sharp rom also, cause there only 4 level of battery |
| 00:24:40 | VerxHome | oh |
| 00:24:41 | bmetzler | Will wonders never cease, a true to life #zaurus channel |
| 00:24:43 | VerxHome | didn't know that |
| 00:24:52 | ljp | good, low, extremely low, and dead |
| 00:24:57 | VerxHome | bmetzler: What is the zaurus? |
| 00:25:05 | Neo|Work | is anyone BAD in here? |
| 00:25:06 | chouimat|Zzzz | nite |
| 00:25:08 | VerxHome | ljp: So does the code say "dead"? |
| 00:25:09 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 00:25:20 | VerxHome | or does it assume by that time there is nothing to display? |
| 00:25:23 | ljp | hehe umm hmmm |
| 00:25:26 | ljp | lemme check |
| 00:25:50 | VerxHome | was just curious |
| 00:25:54 | VerxHome | btw ljp |
| 00:26:01 | VerxHome | in case you weren't around when I said it before |
| 00:26:03 | VerxHome | I love my Z |
| 00:26:05 | bmetzler | checks his head again |
| 00:26:08 | VerxHome | it is frigging awesome |
| 00:26:29 | whardier | women are awesome |
| 00:26:33 | whardier | I should find an awesome woman |
| 00:26:34 | tux_mike | boy... this bug sure is hiding |
| 00:26:38 | whardier | that can purse her lips |
| 00:26:38 | kergoth | whardier: good idea |
| 00:26:41 | Neo|Work | Cool. There is an entry for the A300 in Handango hardware list now |
| 00:26:48 | Neo|Work | means I can specifically note that I support them |
| 00:26:50 | Neo|Work | it |
| 00:26:51 | bmetzler | I need to know if anyone has used iptables to do NAT over the usb crable |
| 00:26:52 | VerxHome | NeoTron: Interesting |
| 00:27:02 | kergoth | bmetzler: certainly |
| 00:27:10 | mehuman | hi, im using openzaurus and when i try to sync using qtopia desktop i get a version does not match error |
| 00:27:12 | ljp | HIGH, LOW, VERY_LOW and CRITICAL |
| 00:27:12 | bmetzler | Cool, because I'm having trouble |
| 00:27:15 | VerxHome | NeoTron: Has anyone sent you an a300? |
| 00:27:23 | VerxHome | ljp: Ok |
| 00:27:26 | whardier | bmetzler: yes |
| 00:27:30 | kergoth | mehuman: read the FAQ. |
| 00:27:31 | VerxHome | critical sounds a bit more meaningful than dead |
| 00:27:32 | VerxHome | :) |
| 00:27:41 | whardier | iptables works over TCP/IP :) |
| 00:27:42 | VerxHome | one would assume dead would not need a message indicating it is dead |
| 00:27:43 | VerxHome | :) |
| 00:27:47 | whardier | so that includes.. the USB Cradel |
| 00:27:54 | mehuman | kergoth ok thanks |
| 00:27:59 | erikd | what's the base directory mkipks looks at for files? it keeps telling me it can't find bin/blah apps/Applications/blah, etc |
| 00:28:07 | erikd | or is there an easier ipkg creator? |
| 00:28:10 | kergoth | mehuman: you need the qtopia desktop version off trolltech's ftp site, which is newer |
| 00:28:14 | bmetzler | the ethernet-over-usb-howto says to use the following command to start NAT. |
| 00:28:16 | kergoth | erikd: DONT use mkipks |
| 00:28:22 | kergoth | erikd: read the ipk creation howto on ZZ |
| 00:28:22 | erikd | ok... |
| 00:28:24 | erikd | ok |
| 00:28:31 | kergoth | erikd: mkipks doesnt check syntax of the control file |
| 00:28:37 | kergoth | erikd: which means you can easily screw up the ipk |
| 00:28:39 | bmetzler | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ethX--to MY_IP |
| 00:28:40 | erikd | ah |
| 00:28:42 | erikd | that'd be bad |
| 00:28:58 | kergoth | bmetzler: yeah.... and....? |
| 00:28:59 | whardier | bmetzler: ever used iptables? |
| 00:29:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:29:09 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 00:29:09 | erikd | ibot faq |
| 00:29:13 | | whardier: what? |
| 00:29:13 | whardier | ibot fag |
| 00:29:16 | whardier | heh |
| 00:29:23 | whardier | I hate small fonts sometimes |
| 00:29:25 | ljp | I've used kitchen tables |
| 00:29:26 | mehuman | when i try to get the qtopiadesktop.exe from qtopia it says the file doesn't exist |
| 00:29:34 | bmetzler | I think that I should be replacing ethX with eth0 and MY_IP with 192.168.0.24 which is what ifconfig shows for my network card |
| 00:29:43 | bmetzler | Am I understanding that correct? |
| 00:30:09 | whardier | no |
| 00:30:16 | bmetzler | Whaa! |
| 00:30:20 | whardier | just use proxy arp |
| 00:30:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:30:26 | bmetzler | What should I be doing? |
| 00:30:26 | kergoth | proxy arp rules |
| 00:30:38 | kergoth | whardier: have you played with arp tables in 2.5 yet? |
| 00:30:47 | whardier | enable proxy arp "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/conf/all/proxy_arp" |
| 00:30:57 | whardier | then tell your arpingness to do stuff with itself |
| 00:30:59 | tux_mike | whardier: what do you know about Orinoco Gold cards? |
| 00:31:03 | whardier | what interface is the usb cable? |
| 00:31:09 | bmetzler | I haven't used iptables before |
| 00:31:13 | bmetzler | usb0 |
| 00:31:13 | whardier | tux_mike: waste of good goddamn money |
| 00:31:20 | kergoth | bmetzler: he just told you how to make it work without using iptables |
| 00:31:29 | junxster | where's a good place to find some screenshots of the stock zaurus apps? |
| 00:31:30 | bmetzler | proxyarp? |
| 00:31:33 | kergoth | bmetzler: yes |
| 00:31:36 | kergoth | hey oGMo |
| 00:31:36 | whardier | bmetzler: "arp -Ds 192.168.0.24 pub usb0" |
| 00:31:38 | tux_mike | whardier: i've heard they don't use WEP 128 bit encryption, that true? |
| 00:31:40 | bmetzler | doesn't that require 2.5? |
| 00:31:43 | whardier | then enable ip_forwarding |
| 00:31:45 | whardier | and ping ho! |
| 00:31:59 | whardier | tux_mike: I couldn't tell yah.. I always saved my money :) |
| 00:32:02 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:32:02 | oGMo | kergoth: sup |
| 00:33:00 | whardier | bmetzler 2.5 what? |
| 00:33:03 | whardier | watts? |
| 00:33:17 | tux_mike | ... |
| 00:33:20 | whardier | proxy_arp has been around since 2.1 I believe |
| 00:33:21 | tux_mike | wtf just beeped |
| 00:33:26 | whardier | WHO BEEPED |
| 00:33:40 | qurve | HEH |
| 00:33:47 | kergoth | whistles innocently |
| 00:33:51 | whardier | qurve did it |
| 00:33:58 | tux_mike | whardier: it was either zelda or link, but since the 2 machines sit next to eachother, i can't tell :) |
| 00:34:07 | _solaris_ | was it a fart? |
| 00:34:19 | tux_mike | beep |
| 00:34:22 | whardier | tux_mike: I am gonna shoot your naming convention |
| 00:34:28 | VerxHome | MFigher is on myzaurus |
| 00:34:30 | tux_mike | i name machines for elves |
| 00:34:34 | VerxHome | a street fighter game |
| 00:34:35 | VerxHome | heh |
| 00:34:38 | tux_mike | what's wrong with that? :) |
| 00:34:44 | whardier | heh |
| 00:34:50 | | myzaurus is http://www.myzaurus.com |
| 00:34:50 | whardier | ibot myzaurus? |
| 00:34:56 | whardier | heh! |
| 00:35:11 | kergoth | zsibot: find mfighter |
| 00:35:11 | zsibot | No results were found searching ZSI for '?query=mfighter'. |
| 00:35:13 | tux_mike | zelda, link, haldir, arawen (coming soon :), legolas :) |
| 00:35:15 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:35:18 | bmetzler | bash: /proc/sys/net/conf/all/proxy_arp: No such file or directory |
| 00:35:22 | VerxHome | it isn't on zsi yet |
| 00:35:27 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:35:29 | bmetzler | I suppose I've got to compile it in the kernel then |
| 00:35:43 | whardier | myzaurus shure knows how to sort |
| 00:35:49 | whardier | heh |
| 00:35:53 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:35:55 | whardier | I R Z t |
| 00:35:56 | kergoth | i need to dig something out for dinner |
| 00:35:58 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:35:59 | whardier | thats in order righT? |
| 00:36:01 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 00:36:07 | whardier | kergoth: do you bury nutz? |
| 00:36:09 | VerxHome | for some reason, often when I turn on my Z |
| 00:36:15 | VerxHome | the CF card unmounts and remounts |
| 00:36:17 | VerxHome | is that normal? |
| 00:36:21 | VerxHome | it never happened on my iPAQ |
| 00:36:27 | erikd | kergoth: where in the control file do i put where the files should be installed? it doesn't have a Files: line like the mkipks example |
| 00:36:34 | Neo|Work | cua later |
| 00:36:35 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:41:39 | kergoth | erikd: you dont |
| 00:41:41 | kergoth | erikd: |
| 00:41:45 | | i guess ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 00:41:45 | kergoth | ibot: ipkg? |
| 00:41:59 | kergoth | ipkg-build expects a dir which contains the files in the structure you'll install in |
| 00:42:06 | scanline | wow, fakeroot is cool! |
| 00:42:12 | kergoth | i.e blah/CONTROL/blah.control ... blah/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/blah .. |
| 00:42:14 | kergoth | scanline: indeed |
| 00:42:28 | | okay, tux_mike. |
| 00:42:28 | tux_mike | ibot ipkg is also a piece of poop |
| 00:42:29 | tux_mike | :) |
| 00:42:38 | | oipkg is Opie Projects advanced gui ipkg installer |
| 00:42:38 | scanline | ibot: oipkg? |
| 00:42:39 | kergoth | scanline: its nice being able to build debian packages and ipks easily without being root |
| 00:42:39 | whardier | you petty poots! |
| 00:42:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:42:55 | scanline | kergoth: yeah. I always hated being root for building romdisks, but no more! |
| 00:43:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:43:08 | scanline | kergoth: wish I'd known about this when I did helio and tuxscreen stuff :) |
| 00:43:14 | kergoth | which is why buildroot-oz relies on it.. |
| 00:43:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:43:19 | kergoth | i bet |
| 00:43:35 | kergoth | whardier: you didnt answer my qu estion, have you played with arp tables in 2.5 yet? i was about to delve into it |
| 00:43:56 | erikd | somebody should make kmkipkg for "advanced gui ipkg creation" |
| 00:44:18 | kergoth | erikd: iirc someone added or was going to add create ipk to kdevelop... hehe |
| 00:44:48 | Bala | kergoth: but were they adding it to 2.1.3 or to gideon? |
| 00:44:51 | kergoth | hmm we need a kpart to integrate bitkeeper into konq |
| 00:45:13 | kergoth | Bala: I dont recall offhand. probably gideon |
| 00:45:47 | Bala | ah.. ok |
| 00:46:06 | kergoth | kdevelop has been able to deal with qtopia apps for some time |
| 00:46:10 | kergoth | works fairly well |
| 00:46:14 | kergoth | though i end up reverting to vim anyway |
| 00:46:16 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 00:46:19 | Bala | heh. |
| 00:47:17 | scanline | who needs kdevelop when you have vi or emacs :) |
| 00:47:18 | whardier | is a7r still doing.. stuff? |
| 00:47:25 | kergoth | whardier: i believe so.. |
| 00:47:31 | kergoth | scanline: yeah, exactly |
| 00:47:36 | kergoth | I need a good source code browser |
| 00:47:38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:47:47 | scanline | is an emacs fan.. but forgot where he put his flame suit |
| 00:47:51 | whardier | kergoth: TODO request |
| 00:47:51 | kergoth | pulls down sourcenav again |
| 00:48:01 | whardier | use wgetrc in /etc to pacify all passive ftp requests :) |
| 00:48:08 | kergoth | why? |
| 00:48:12 | whardier | uhm |
| 00:48:18 | whardier | its hard to type --passive-ftp |
| 00:48:27 | scanline | I tried to get a cvspass working... but cvs was too smart for me |
| 00:48:43 | kergoth | scanline: hehe. i'll play with it again later |
| 00:48:52 | kergoth | scanline: you get a picogui initrd yet? ;-) |
| 00:49:01 | scanline | kergoth: working on it now, actually :) |
| 00:49:03 | kergoth | nice |
| 00:49:10 | kergoth | oh wow, cscope rocks |
| 00:49:11 | whardier | moves /opt to SD |
| 00:49:12 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 00:49:21 | whardier | giving it a shot anyways :) |
| 00:49:22 | kergoth | whardier: heh. just use oipkg to install shit to sd |
| 00:49:39 | kergoth | wtf are the cscope keybindings? |
| 00:49:41 | whardier | kergoth: stuff that didn't already exist. yeh :) |
| 00:49:44 | kergoth | i dunno how to fucking exit it |
| 00:50:18 | whardier | can opie handle bg images > 240x320? |
| 00:50:26 | kergoth | dunno |
| 00:50:28 | kergoth | try it |
| 00:50:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:50:32 | junxster | where's a good place to find some screenshots of the stock zaurus apps? |
| 00:50:33 | whardier | wanted to make static backgrounds |
| 00:50:37 | kergoth | ask drw, he may know |
| 00:50:38 | whardier | non scrolling ones |
| 00:50:40 | scanline | notes that his system gets a little slow with three compiles and a DivX encode |
| 00:50:48 | _solaris_ | is it possible to compile -static and make it work in z? |
| 00:50:50 | whardier | scanline: its mosix time baby! |
| 00:50:54 | whardier | or distcc! |
| 00:51:00 | scanline | whardier: if only I had more computers :) |
| 00:51:03 | kergoth | mm..distcc.. |
| 00:51:07 | kergoth | i need more boxen too |
| 00:51:08 | whardier | scanline: you dumbass! |
| 00:51:10 | kergoth | i've got *one* box here |
| 00:51:10 | scanline | whardier: though I have a server I could offload some work to... |
| 00:51:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:51:14 | whardier | you live on campus! |
| 00:51:19 | scanline | whardier: not yet! |
| 00:51:19 | whardier | you have a super computer! |
| 00:51:21 | whardier | oh |
| 00:51:21 | whardier | heh |
| 00:51:26 | scanline | I move in... tomorrow |
| 00:51:32 | whardier | fawker |
| 00:51:47 | erikd | are ipkg's installed to /home/QtPalmtop by default? |
| 00:51:51 | scanline | but.. most people run windows.. maybe I could run mosix on UML on cygwin on winxp :P |
| 00:51:52 | kergoth | erikd: ? |
| 00:51:59 | erikd | so i can just do bin/whatever and it'll install correctly |
| 00:51:59 | kergoth | erikd: ipkgs are installed to / by default. |
| 00:52:02 | kergoth | no |
| 00:52:06 | whardier | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?catalog=80&jid=C4128216B9634A4265A4575693D647AC&platformId=9&productId=29072&productType=2§ionId=0&siteId=423&zsortParams=true |
| 00:52:06 | kergoth | you give it *full* path |
| 00:52:09 | whardier | something not right about that |
| 00:52:13 | erikd | eh |
| 00:52:14 | erikd | ok |
| 00:52:29 | erikd | but /home/QtPalmtop/ is the root i want, right? |
| 00:52:32 | erikd | or is it /opt? |
| 00:52:34 | kergoth | no |
| 00:52:38 | kergoth | opt is preferred |
| 00:52:43 | kergoth | /home is a embedix symlink crap |
| 00:52:44 | erikd | doesn't have a z yet so i can't tell :) |
| 00:52:46 | kergoth | s/a // |
| 00:52:52 | erikd | ok |
| 00:52:57 | kergoth | man |
| 00:52:59 | kergoth | cscope ruels |
| 00:53:01 | kergoth | rules too |
| 00:53:16 | kergoth | its like.. grep for c trees, thats also on crack |
| 00:53:17 | erikd | so in my ipkg build dir i'm going to make a dir called opt/QtPalmtop/bin and all the other stuff? |
| 00:53:23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:53:23 | ljp | heh ruelz |
| 00:53:23 | erikd | (last question) |
| 00:53:24 | erikd | ok |
| 00:53:25 | erikd | thanks :) |
| 00:54:07 | DaWorm | mornin' |
| 00:55:08 | KGBudz | are any of the programs that come with the zaurus open soruce? |
| 00:55:26 | kergoth | KGBudz: the preinstalled ones? the gui apps, no.. the rest, yes |
| 00:55:32 | KGBudz | ya |
| 00:55:34 | KGBudz | ok |
| 00:55:46 | whardier | whats /dev/ts look like on a happy system? |
| 00:55:52 | whardier | a non vnc'ed one :) |
| 00:56:26 | kergoth | on the Z? |
| 00:56:29 | kergoth | its a symlink to collie-ts |
| 00:56:34 | whardier | figured |
| 00:56:37 | whardier | not sharp_ts? |
| 00:56:44 | kergoth | er |
| 00:56:44 | ljp | collie-tits? |
| 00:56:46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:56:48 | kergoth | blah |
| 00:56:50 | kergoth | whatever |
| 00:56:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:56:54 | kergoth | collie-tits? thats just.. wrong |
| 00:56:56 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:57:17 | whardier | heh! |
| 00:57:19 | whardier | lassie-boobs |
| 00:57:28 | whardier | minicollie-nips |
| 00:57:48 | ljp | hmm /dev/collie-tits |
| 00:59:22 | kergoth | christ |
| 00:59:28 | kergoth | i was browning hamburger |
| 00:59:30 | kergoth | and i fucking burnt it! |
| 00:59:40 | whardier | hamburgler |
| 01:00:25 | ljp | I am ironman.. |
| 01:00:41 | roge99_laptop | so you blacked the hamburger? |
| 01:00:48 | kergoth | ljp: liar |
| 01:00:54 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: yeah, .. part of it anway.. |
| 01:00:56 | kergoth | grr |
| 01:01:12 | erikd | time for some lanning! |
| 01:01:15 | erikd | bb tomorrow |
| 01:01:16 | erikd | :) |
| 01:01:24 | kergoth | lan is a verb? |
| 01:01:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:01:37 | ljp | how is ozzy still alive? |
| 01:01:44 | erikd | kergoth: it is now :) |
| 01:02:27 | oGMo | i LANNED him over the head with a ROUTING TABLE |
| 01:03:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:04:42 | kergoth | man, running cscope -R on a kernel tree takes a long ass time |
| 01:06:13 | ljp | think ozzy did too much lsd? |
| 01:06:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:06:31 | kergoth | ozzy looks so.. not even here |
| 01:06:38 | kergoth | like he's off in some other world all the time |
| 01:07:12 | ljp | to much smoking bats |
| 01:08:19 | kergoth | yay cscope finished |
| 01:08:39 | oGMo | kergoth: next up, KDE and X |
| 01:08:48 | kergoth | kde's still compiling.. |
| 01:08:51 | ljp | ozzy and dio should do celebrety boxing |
| 01:08:53 | kergoth | been going all afternoon |
| 01:08:59 | oGMo | kde takes huge amounts of time to compile for me |
| 01:09:08 | kergoth | same here |
| 01:09:08 | oGMo | 4-5 hours a package with -kj 3 on a dual p2-350 |
| 01:09:19 | ljp | teambuilder |
| 01:09:20 | kergoth | its decent on my tbird 1.2ghz |
| 01:09:24 | kergoth | but still takes a while |
| 01:09:32 | ljp | if you have extra boxes |
| 01:09:45 | oGMo | needs an upgrade, but is waiting for doom 3 ;) |
| 01:11:29 | ljp | feels like being 20 |
| 01:11:39 | kergoth | ahhh! |
| 01:11:43 | kergoth | cscope just segfaults |
| 01:11:46 | anselor | ok |
| 01:11:47 | kergoth | shoots self |
| 01:11:51 | kergoth | ljp: ? |
| 01:11:52 | anselor | i need some help real quick |
| 01:11:59 | anselor | cuz this doesn't make sense tome |
| 01:12:03 | anselor | *to me |
| 01:12:25 | anselor | i have a QTabWidget |
| 01:12:25 | scanline | Is there a good collection of free 240x320 backgrounds? |
| 01:12:33 | scanline | s/good/any/ :) |
| 01:12:34 | ljp | had more energy when I was 20 |
| 01:12:41 | anselor | and i'm trying to connect the currentChanged() signal |
| 01:12:48 | kergoth | ljp: ah. |
| 01:12:53 | anselor | to slotTabChange() |
| 01:13:24 | anselor | so i have connect(mainbox, SIGNAL(currentChanged()), this, SLOT(slotTabChange())); |
| 01:13:42 | anselor | and it says "no matching function for call" |
| 01:14:39 | ljp | is slotTabChenge() declared under slots: in the .h ? |
| 01:14:43 | anselor | yep |
| 01:15:37 | ljp | spelling correct? |
| 01:15:48 | anselor | checked it many times |
| 01:16:07 | anselor | one sec, lemme hop on on my laptop and post the entire error thing |
| 01:16:42 | jbwiv | guys...anything like QProcess in qt 2? I need to spawn an application. Do I have to resort to a system("path/app") ? |
| 01:17:04 | whardier | waves hand |
| 01:17:08 | whardier | you do not need Qprocess |
| 01:17:11 | whardier | waves hand |
| 01:17:15 | whardier | you do not need to spawn |
| 01:17:18 | ljp | pthreads |
| 01:17:22 | whardier | waves hand |
| 01:17:30 | whardier | you need to go order me a pizza |
| 01:17:35 | jbwiv | lol |
| 01:17:37 | Bala | ponders reinstalling gentoo under vmware... |
| 01:17:38 | scanline | mmm... pizza... |
| 01:17:48 | ljp | you can 'port' QProcess |
| 01:18:01 | ljp | there's popen |
| 01:18:03 | anselor|laptop | mmaker.cpp:25: no matching function for call to `MMaker::connect |
| 01:18:03 | anselor|laptop | (QTabWidget *&, const char[27], MMaker *const, const char[17])' |
| 01:18:07 | anselor|laptop | /opt/Qtopia/include/qobject.h:110: candidates are: static bool |
| 01:18:07 | anselor|laptop | QObject::connect (const QObject *, const char *, const QObject *, const |
| 01:18:07 | anselor|laptop | char *) |
| 01:18:08 | anselor|laptop | /opt/Qtopia/include/qobject.h:210: bool |
| 01:18:08 | anselor|laptop | QObject::connect (const QObject *, const char *, const char *) const |
| 01:18:09 | anselor|laptop | mmaker.cpp: In method `void MMaker::timerEvent (QTimerEvent *)': |
| 01:18:09 | anselor|laptop | mmaker.cpp:167: warning: unused parameter `QTimerEvent *e' |
| 01:18:12 | anselor|laptop | make: *** [mmaker.o] Error 1 |
| 01:18:28 | whardier | anselor|laptop you big dumb animal! |
| 01:18:29 | anselor | i guess the last few lines weren't needed |
| 01:18:33 | jbwiv | ljp: well, I don't think I need to go that far (port). I'll look at popen |
| 01:18:42 | jbwiv | ljp: thx |
| 01:19:00 | ljp | popen opens a pipe |
| 01:19:35 | darienm | zsibot do you love me? |
| 01:19:35 | zsibot | darienm: no idea |
| 01:19:37 | ljp | did you add Q_OBJECT to the header? |
| 01:19:39 | darienm | awww |
| 01:19:40 | jbwiv | ljp: not sure that's what I want to do. I basically want to start Opera and pass it a file.... |
| 01:20:06 | anselor | yes |
| 01:20:58 | scanline | Is there any setting in Opie to put the scroll bars and/or dialog buttons on the left side of the screen? |
| 01:21:21 | anselor | the other slots and signals aren't giving me problems, just that one |
| 01:26:04 | jbwiv | is there a way with QString to convert the "string" contained by QString to a char * ??? |
| 01:27:15 | ljp | QString mine="blah"; char* foo=mine.latin1(); or something can even do a cast (char *)mine; |
| 01:27:16 | Bala | .latin1() |
| 01:27:46 | jbwiv_jedit | ljp and Bala: cool...thanks again guys. |
| 01:28:41 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bw_wifi.png |
| 01:28:44 | whardier | sexy no? |
| 01:29:08 | scanline | droolz |
| 01:29:18 | scanline | I gotta make me a picogui theme that does that >:) |
| 01:29:22 | jbwiv | whardier: very nice... |
| 01:29:38 | whardier | scanline: the offset dark/light alpha? |
| 01:29:58 | scanline | whardier: something like my aqua theme, but dark and with translucent popups |
| 01:30:03 | whardier | :) |
| 01:30:15 | whardier | time to make a funner background |
| 01:30:40 | scanline | should play around in gimp more |
| 01:30:50 | whardier | you know of the gimp! |
| 01:31:10 | scanline | I'm not bad ad using the gimp.. definitely not an artist tho |
| 01:31:17 | anselor | it's like it thinks a QTabWidget isn't a QObject |
| 01:31:37 | ljp | whats opie? |
| 01:31:58 | whardier | smart ass kid |
| 01:32:00 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/public/media/images/art/ship_v2.jpeg <-- best art I can do |
| 01:32:16 | whardier | scanline: we should join forces |
| 01:32:20 | whardier | waits for image to load |
| 01:32:33 | scanline | the server's upstream bandwidth is slow |
| 01:32:40 | scanline | hehe, join forces... for EVIL! |
| 01:32:55 | whardier | scanline that almost looks like a bmrt shader |
| 01:33:02 | scanline | bmrt? |
| 01:33:15 | whardier | a specific shader programmed from blue moon rendering tools |
| 01:33:19 | whardier | it makes cartoons |
| 01:33:22 | scanline | I just played around with layer masks and splines to make pseudo-anime-like shading |
| 01:33:24 | whardier | out of 3d objects |
| 01:33:29 | scanline | ah.. I saw something like that for OpenGL |
| 01:33:37 | whardier | scanline: pimp :) |
| 01:33:43 | whardier | I would love something like that for OpenGL |
| 01:33:45 | scanline | :) |
| 01:33:57 | whardier | whats that cool gamecube or xbox game with all the cartoon texture mapped guys |
| 01:34:03 | scanline | IIRC it used some sort of 1D texture map it transformed the lit polygons through |
| 01:34:04 | whardier | I can't remember it |
| 01:34:08 | scanline | dreamcast game |
| 01:34:14 | whardier | no no.. new game |
| 01:34:14 | scanline | I forget what it was called.... |
| 01:34:16 | scanline | oh |
| 01:35:54 | scanline | brb |
| 01:39:05 | scanline | returns... for great justice! |
| 01:39:54 | kergoth | someday.. |
| 01:40:00 | kergoth | i'm going to mix a long island that tastes right |
| 01:40:10 | kergoth | that day is not today |
| 01:40:12 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:40:29 | anselor | has anyone had any luck capturing signals from a QTabWidget? |
| 01:43:55 | ljp | I used a butterfly net on a tabwidget once,,.. and captured the ever elusive Monarch SIGNAL ;) |
| 01:44:14 | scanline | anselor: why worry about applications when you can make pretty pictures? :) |
| 01:45:21 | kergoth | mm pictures |
| 01:45:37 | kergoth | * Don't believe the specs! Take them, throw them outside. Leave them |
| 01:45:40 | kergoth | * there for a week. Spit on them. Walk on them. Stamp on them. |
| 01:45:42 | kergoth | * Pour gasoline over them and finally burn them. Now think about coding. |
| 01:45:44 | kergoth | i love that |
| 01:45:50 | scanline | haha |
| 01:45:50 | anselor | heh |
| 01:46:00 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:46:13 | kergoth | include/asm-arm/mach-sa1100/sa1111.h |
| 01:46:15 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 01:46:25 | kergoth | er s/mach-sa1100/hardware/ |
| 01:46:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:46:29 | anselor | annoying cuz it'd be really useful to know when someone's changed what tab page they're in |
| 01:46:53 | ljp | there's a signal for that |
| 01:46:58 | scanline | aha.. simpsons season 2 finally done |
| 01:47:00 | anselor | currentChanged() |
| 01:47:14 | kergoth | and kde is still compiling... |
| 01:47:17 | kergoth | grr |
| 01:47:37 | anselor | ljp: and i need to connect it to a slot, right? but ... i can't seem to make it work... |
| 01:47:43 | ljp | isnt it currentChanged( QWidget*) ? |
| 01:47:48 | anselor | yeah |
| 01:48:14 | scanline | whardier: http://navi.picogui.org/public/media/images/art/gui_ideas.jpeg <-- a style like this on the Z would be cool |
| 01:48:35 | anselor | currentChanged(QWidget *) |
| 01:48:40 | scanline | is a sucker for shaded backgrounds |
| 01:49:18 | darienm | is that Hannibal Lecter's sister or something? |
| 01:49:19 | ljp | connect(mainbox, SIGNAL(currentChanged(QWidget *)), this, SLOT(slotTabChange( QWidget *))); |
| 01:50:02 | ljp | LCARS |
| 01:50:06 | kergoth | scanline: thats pretty smooth |
| 01:50:18 | scanline | ljp: it's been done |
| 01:50:24 | ljp | on the z? |
| 01:50:33 | anselor | ljp: trying... |
| 01:50:40 | scanline | ljp: haven't tested it on the Z yet.. I will do that and take a screeny :) |
| 01:50:53 | ljp | you'll have to change your slot function |
| 01:51:48 | ljp | wants a tricorder |
| 01:52:17 | anselor | same error. |
| 01:52:52 | scanline | ljp: hrm.. this LCARS definitely wasn't designed for small screens, but it works |
| 01:52:57 | scanline | takes a scap |
| 01:52:57 | kergoth | * We damn well had better never use this code. |
| 01:53:00 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:53:12 | kergoth | i love reading comments |
| 01:53:43 | ljp | heheh thats really in there? |
| 01:53:48 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bw_pimp1.png |
| 01:53:49 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bw_pimp2.png |
| 01:53:59 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20176.png |
| 01:54:05 | whardier | who wants a nice transparent background that lets your background color determine its base color? |
| 01:54:18 | kergoth | whardier: oo yeah |
| 01:54:27 | kergoth | whardier: you made liquid handle dark better? |
| 01:54:34 | whardier | yeah |
| 01:54:38 | whardier | not liquid itself |
| 01:54:51 | anselor | i don't think qtabwidget works the way they say it does. |
| 01:54:54 | whardier | just upped the colors 20 ints |
| 01:55:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:55:05 | kergoth | whardier: fix liquid :) |
| 01:55:22 | ljp | anselor: ya it does, I use it all the time |
| 01:55:24 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/dark_curves.png |
| 01:55:29 | jbwiv | anyone know the specs for what icon size is restricted to on the Zaurus? |
| 01:55:30 | whardier | wonderfull .. just made that in gimp |
| 01:55:32 | whardier | thats the background |
| 01:55:43 | whardier | then for the theme |
| 01:56:00 | ljp | depends on what icon |
| 01:56:03 | kergoth | whardier: nice. |
| 01:56:06 | ljp | I mean where it is |
| 01:56:50 | kergoth | wonders why cscope crashes and burns on his box trying to deal with a kernel tree |
| 01:56:59 | scanline | whardier: that's really cool |
| 01:57:02 | jbwiv | ljp: for a desktop icon. the .png file that will launch your app. |
| 01:57:11 | whardier | ok |
| 01:57:12 | whardier | here is the theme |
| 01:57:22 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/DarCurves.scheme |
| 01:57:25 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/DarkCurves.scheme |
| 01:57:25 | whardier | heh |
| 01:57:34 | anselor | ljp: i don't understand why it's not working for me then... |
| 01:58:32 | kergoth | whardier: you wanna ipk it up or should i? ;-) |
| 01:58:37 | ljp | desktop icon is 32x32 |
| 01:59:12 | jbwiv | ljp: cool. thanks. where does one find this info, so I can quit bugging you? |
| 01:59:14 | | jbwiv: i'm not following you... |
| 01:59:14 | jbwiv | ibot icons |
| 01:59:22 | whardier | kergoth you have the tools on hand |
| 01:59:35 | ljp | I just gimped a desktop icon ;) |
| 01:59:51 | ljp | cause I cant remember numbers |
| 01:59:53 | scanline | whardier: there's some banding on the background in opie though.. could use dithering |
| 02:00:01 | jbwiv | ljp: lol. good idea. should've thought of that ;) |
| 02:00:12 | kergoth | whardier: will do |
| 02:00:26 | whardier | scanline: it doesn't look too bad on the display :_) |
| 02:00:50 | whardier | it could be dithered.. that is however the effect of the transparent theme against a semi black color |
| 02:00:51 | scanline | should package the background in a picogui theme and try it with dithering enabled ;) |
| 02:01:20 | whardier | fine then :) |
| 02:01:28 | whardier | I wouldn't mind at fucking aLL! |
| 02:01:29 | whardier | btw |
| 02:01:33 | scanline | haha |
| 02:01:41 | scanline | I need to fix bugs though |
| 02:01:59 | whardier | that background is based off of this |
| 02:02:00 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=acs |
| 02:02:07 | whardier | all that was used to make it exists in that image |
| 02:02:24 | scanline | hehe, spiffy |
| 02:02:43 | scanline | wishes he was good at art... |
| 02:02:48 | mrwoody | hi. is there anyone with a Z, that wants to waiste 5 min to test an ipk package? |
| 02:02:48 | whardier | scanline: |
| 02:02:51 | whardier | you are sexy |
| 02:02:55 | whardier | do you need to be anything else? |
| 02:02:57 | scanline | runs away |
| 02:02:58 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:03:04 | kergoth | whardier, scanline: get a room |
| 02:03:18 | scanline | runs and hides in emacs |
| 02:03:26 | scanline | under a pile of moldy elisp code! |
| 02:03:33 | whardier | goes "woooo" in kergoths face |
| 02:03:38 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:04:30 | mrwoody | anyone? :-( |
| 02:05:24 | scanline | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/albums/Artwork/acp.png <-- man that's messed up! |
| 02:06:32 | whardier | Heh! |
| 02:06:37 | whardier | you like! |
| 02:06:44 | scanline | :) |
| 02:06:47 | whardier | <mrwoody> anyone? :-( |
| 02:06:52 | whardier | quit propisitinoing people |
| 02:06:57 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:07:08 | mrwoody | whardier: ? |
| 02:07:11 | kergoth | whardier: wtf is your last name again? I need to set Maintainer: in the control file |
| 02:07:12 | whardier | heh |
| 02:07:17 | whardier | slaps mrwoody |
| 02:07:31 | whardier | eets Shane Spencer |
| 02:07:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:07:37 | kergoth | k |
| 02:07:55 | whardier | maybe I should make a large abundance of themes tonight |
| 02:07:57 | kergoth | whardier: what version is this? heh |
| 02:07:58 | scanline | What does OZ set the ipk maintainer to? |
| 02:08:03 | whardier | is pretty bored |
| 02:09:02 | kergoth | scanline: "Unknown - OZ build" unless you set Maintainer as a makefile variable in the .mk |
| 02:09:11 | scanline | k |
| 02:09:16 | whardier | uhm |
| 02:09:19 | whardier | version. 1? |
| 02:09:26 | whardier | probably the last version it will see |
| 02:09:26 | whardier | hah |
| 02:09:34 | kergoth | 1.0 or 0.1? |
| 02:09:36 | kergoth | eheh |
| 02:09:49 | ljp | whardier: make opie graphics/themes :) or even op2 skins |
| 02:10:01 | scanline | whardier: no, make picogui themes! :) |
| 02:12:54 | ljp | no! opie! |
| 02:13:17 | scanline | throws the picogui theme compiler at whardier |
| 02:14:35 | ljp | gives whardier opieplayer2 for free |
| 02:14:46 | whardier | heh |
| 02:15:04 | whardier | blocks |
| 02:15:05 | whardier | defends |
| 02:15:05 | ljp | too bad it crashes currently |
| 02:15:06 | whardier | parrys |
| 02:15:09 | whardier | pokes |
| 02:15:27 | whardier | I want opieplayer2 w/ xine |
| 02:15:34 | whardier | do you have that yet? |
| 02:15:39 | scanline | mplayer would be better |
| 02:15:43 | scanline | or gstreamer |
| 02:15:49 | NeoTron | evening |
| 02:15:53 | whardier | gstreamer is poot |
| 02:16:03 | whardier | NeoTron do you have your SDL libs somewhere? |
| 02:16:03 | NeoTron | uh. That was smart |
| 02:16:12 | NeoTron | meant to kick Neo|Work |
| 02:16:22 | NeoTron | zsibot: find sdl |
| 02:16:23 | zsibot | Brickout 2002.06.09 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=246 |
| 02:16:24 | zsibot | exult 0.5.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=337 |
| 02:16:25 | zsibot | prboom 2.2.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=333 |
| 02:16:26 | zsibot | 3 of 7 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=?query=sdl |
| 02:16:30 | NeoTron | zsibot: find SDL |
| 02:16:30 | zsibot | Brickout 2002.06.09 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=246 |
| 02:16:31 | zsibot | exult 0.5.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=337 |
| 02:16:32 | whardier | pj |
| 02:16:32 | zsibot | prboom 2.2.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=333 |
| 02:16:33 | NeoTron | hrm |
| 02:16:33 | zsibot | 3 of 7 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=?query=sdl |
| 02:16:34 | whardier | err |
| 02:16:34 | PinkFreud | hello all. |
| 02:16:35 | whardier | damnit |
| 02:16:38 | whardier | this sucks! |
| 02:16:41 | NeoTron | I don't maintain it anymore |
| 02:16:43 | darienm | case insensitive |
| 02:16:47 | darienm | what sucks? |
| 02:17:01 | whardier | I meant the library |
| 02:17:09 | PinkFreud | i have a 5000D with a Buffalo Airstation wireless card. I'm trying to use it in an Ad-Hoc + WEP environment, but can't seem to convince it to talk to the network. |
| 02:17:11 | darienm | hrm, found a new bug in zsibot. |
| 02:17:42 | PinkFreud | would anyone here happen to have an idea? |
| 02:17:53 | kergoth | whardier: grab the sdl cvs ipks from the prboom feed |
| 02:17:57 | NeoTron | whardier: I know. |
| 02:18:02 | scanline | PinkFreud: ooh ooh I have an idea! |
| 02:18:06 | PinkFreud | scanline: oh? |
| 02:18:10 | whardier | pl |
| 02:18:11 | whardier | err |
| 02:18:11 | whardier | ok |
| 02:18:17 | whardier | scanline I wanna play with picogui more |
| 02:18:22 | kergoth | PinkFreud: he probably has an idea that has nothing ot do with your problem ;-) |
| 02:18:23 | whardier | heh |
| 02:18:31 | PinkFreud | kergoth: I was afraid of that. |
| 02:18:33 | kergoth | whardier: scanline is making picogui build from teh oz buildroot |
| 02:18:35 | kergoth | whardier: :-) |
| 02:18:49 | PinkFreud | This Zaurus still has the original ROM though |
| 02:18:53 | PinkFreud | never updated. |
| 02:18:58 | whardier | woot |
| 02:19:04 | whardier | needs prpplague back in town |
| 02:19:08 | whardier | for a little X11 action |
| 02:19:12 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:19:13 | whardier | thats my goal :) |
| 02:19:14 | PinkFreud | Heh. could that be contributing to my problems? :) |
| 02:19:25 | kergoth | he still hasnt committed x into oz cvs |
| 02:19:27 | whardier | PinkFreud update yer damn rom |
| 02:19:32 | kergoth | we need a oz boot menu and a oz first boot wizard |
| 02:19:36 | whardier | kergoth I dunno what holds him back |
| 02:19:37 | whardier | oh well |
| 02:19:41 | scanline | whardier: I'm trying to fix a small bug in the font rendering, then I'll get the OZ build scripts finished |
| 02:19:42 | PinkFreud | whardier: You think it'll fix the issue? |
| 02:19:58 | scanline | whardier: I was having trouble making progress on the textbox widget so I figured I'd just play with the Zaurus :) |
| 02:20:11 | whardier | kergoth: did you make an ipkg of my theme? |
| 02:20:21 | whardier | and did it link correctly to the image? |
| 02:20:27 | PinkFreud | hmms |
| 02:20:29 | whardier | scanline: :) |
| 02:20:32 | whardier | hmmo |
| 02:20:41 | scanline | doh.. more OZ build errors |
| 02:20:49 | kergoth | whardier: well, the ipk wont actually change the users background or scheme, just drops them both into place |
| 02:20:54 | kergoth | scanline: where at? |
| 02:21:18 | scanline | kergoth: building busybox/networking/route.c, lots of undefined symbols like RTF_CACHE, RTF_ADDRCONF, INET6_dispalyroutes |
| 02:21:23 | scanline | err, displayroutes |
| 02:21:32 | kergoth | scanline: oh i saw that |
| 02:21:34 | PinkFreud | ok... does anyone else here have an Airstation working with the 5000D? |
| 02:21:35 | whardier | wanna see my favorite screenshot? |
| 02:21:36 | scanline | looks like IPV6 got turned on... |
| 02:21:38 | kergoth | scanline: lemme seee if ic an remember what it was |
| 02:21:45 | scanline | whardier: sure |
| 02:22:00 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/zmem.png |
| 02:22:18 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/zmem2.png |
| 02:22:21 | warmi | re |
| 02:22:42 | scanline | whardier: it'd be really cool if you could make the memory meter look like a clear plastic tube partially filled with silly putty |
| 02:22:51 | whardier | scanline: HAHA! |
| 02:22:51 | kergoth | whardier: speaking of screenshots, do you have a screenshot of that old memory error from back in the day? "The memory smacks..." |
| 02:22:56 | warmi | looks like qtopia source code snapshots are not available any longer at ftp.trolltech.com |
| 02:23:01 | whardier | kergoth !! no |
| 02:23:04 | whardier | I neeeed it |
| 02:23:10 | kergoth | me too |
| 02:23:14 | kergoth | for nostalgia's sake if nothing else |
| 02:23:16 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:23:19 | PinkFreud | or, if no one has an idea about that ... has anyone here updated the 5000D to ROM 1.37? Are there any known problems with it? |
| 02:23:25 | whardier | the memory smacks of shortage |
| 02:23:29 | whardier | why is that not a topic here? |
| 02:23:29 | kergoth | yup |
| 02:23:33 | scanline | someone could install an original 5000D ROM and get the screenshot :) |
| 02:23:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:23:44 | whardier | actually |
| 02:23:52 | whardier | you can get that screenshot from the quake Z project |
| 02:23:58 | warmi | anyone has qtopia source tar.gz by any chance ? |
| 02:23:59 | whardier | because they made it do that and took shots |
| 02:24:01 | PinkFreud | scanline: hmm. where can one find the original ROM? |
| 02:24:10 | kergoth | Sharp SL-5000D/5500 Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com | The channel smacks of shortage! |
| 02:24:12 | kergoth | baha |
| 02:24:20 | kergoth | whardier: nice |
| 02:24:30 | whardier | heh |
| 02:24:32 | PinkFreud | sighs. |
| 02:24:39 | scanline | How relevant is that developer.sharpsec.com URL nowadays? |
| 02:24:40 | whardier | punches PinkFreud |
| 02:24:46 | whardier | hows your mother feel about that! |
| 02:24:48 | PinkFreud | pokes whardier |
| 02:24:53 | kergoth | scanline: there is no newer Z development site .. |
| 02:24:57 | kergoth | scanline: not yet anyway |
| 02:25:00 | whardier | PinkFreud check out the url in the topic |
| 02:25:05 | PinkFreud | hmm |
| 02:25:19 | scanline | kergoth: heh.. it's just a big turn-off to have to register for a dev site. I registered to get my 5000D and promptly forgot my login |
| 02:25:25 | whardier | then once you find it |
| 02:25:28 | whardier | come in here and say |
| 02:25:30 | kergoth | scanline: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 02:25:33 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 02:25:35 | kergoth | scanline: heh |
| 02:25:39 | whardier | .. ibot original rom is at http://blaghasdflkasdjf |
| 02:25:42 | kergoth | scanline: i memorized it after i forgot my password |
| 02:25:42 | scanline | kergoth: so put that in the topic :) |
| 02:25:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:26:28 | | OK, scanline. |
| 02:26:28 | scanline | ibot developer site is at http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 02:26:56 | kergoth | continues to wait for kdebase to finish |
| 02:27:00 | kergoth | BUILD damn you |
| 02:27:03 | kergoth | FASTER |
| 02:27:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:27:21 | kergoth | whardier: i reopened #openzaurus, fyi |
| 02:27:22 | ljp | kergoth needs to add mkfifo to oz, maybe |
| 02:27:23 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 02:27:30 | kergoth | ljp: the busybox in the feed has it now |
| 02:27:34 | kergoth | ljp: as of a few hours ago |
| 02:27:36 | kergoth | ljp: heh |
| 02:27:59 | ljp | heh cool, found out why fbvncserver doesnt work in oz |
| 02:27:59 | scanline | hehe, I noticed the lack of mkfifo a while ago.. and promptly forgot to do anything about it |
| 02:28:09 | scanline | I was going to use fifos to stream oggs... |
| 02:28:16 | ljp | 1) mkfifo and 2) needs java |
| 02:28:23 | kergoth | scanline: use mknod. heh |
| 02:28:26 | scanline | ljp: doesn't need java :) |
| 02:28:34 | kergoth | ljp: itll be nifty to use kaffe's qt3 bindings wehn we switch |
| 02:28:36 | darienm | damnit ! |
| 02:28:40 | ljp | fbcncserver sure does |
| 02:28:41 | scanline | kergoth: heh, I didn't know that did fifos |
| 02:29:09 | kergoth | scanline: fifo is a named pipe |
| 02:29:09 | anselor | oh well, giving up on the tab signals |
| 02:29:20 | kergoth | scanline: otherwise known as a device of type 'p' rather than 'c' or 'b' |
| 02:29:22 | kergoth | scanline: :-) |
| 02:29:24 | scanline | kergoth: I know, I just never read the mkfifo manpage |
| 02:29:26 | whardier | poot |
| 02:29:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:29:34 | scanline | I assumed it only did devices |
| 02:29:37 | whardier | fast easy ntpdate packages? |
| 02:29:44 | whardier | or snag from handhelds.org? |
| 02:29:45 | kergoth | whardier: familiar |
| 02:29:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:29:49 | ljp | fbvncserver installs /usr/local/vnc/classes/vncviewer.jar |
| 02:29:50 | | i heard ipkgfind was at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org or at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 02:29:50 | kergoth | ibot: ipkgfind? |
| 02:30:09 | kergoth | ljp: thats only for the java part of it, for viewing via the web.. |
| 02:30:11 | kergoth | ljp: unnecessary |
| 02:30:40 | PinkFreud | what the farq? |
| 02:30:55 | PinkFreud | i've already been on the devel website without having to register |
| 02:30:56 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 02:30:57 | | i don't know, scanline |
| 02:30:57 | scanline | ibot: farq? |
| 02:31:22 | PinkFreud | nice gimmick to steal email addresses. |
| 02:31:29 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 02:31:29 | kergoth | ibot: farq is <reply> I think you meant fuck. dont beat around the bush, man. |
| 02:31:36 | kergoth | hey cloud |
| 02:31:49 | | OK, scanline. |
| 02:31:49 | scanline | ibot: frack is <reply> see farq |
| 02:31:58 | PinkFreud | infobot. heh. |
| 02:31:59 | whardier | mmmmm |
| 02:32:00 | whardier | ntpdate |
| 02:32:01 | | i haven't a clue, kergoth |
| 02:32:01 | kergoth | ibot: f*ck? |
| 02:32:02 | whardier | = happy |
| 02:32:07 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 02:32:07 | kergoth | ibot: f*ck is see farq |
| 02:32:21 | | OK, scanline. |
| 02:32:21 | scanline | ibot: hell is see farq |
| 02:32:22 | kergoth | whardier: try opie-netsystemtime |
| 02:32:25 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 02:32:33 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 02:32:39 | ljp | ok, well.. it need mkfifo tho ;) |
| 02:32:44 | kergoth | ljp: yeah |
| 02:32:46 | Cloudchaser | what does? |
| 02:32:46 | whardier | kergoth: I was thinking about it |
| 02:32:54 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: fbvncserver |
| 02:32:56 | Cloudchaser | i dropped and missed it |
| 02:32:56 | whardier | I have to remove opie-systemtime |
| 02:32:59 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:33:00 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 02:33:07 | whardier | ok |
| 02:33:08 | whardier | trying away |
| 02:33:10 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: mkfifo is in the latest busybox in the oz feed now though |
| 02:33:32 | Cloudchaser | ok so i need to update that then.. |
| 02:33:35 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:34:03 | kergoth | #openzaurus is open for business, fyi people. so we dont clutter up the conversations in here with OZ q&a |
| 02:34:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:34:09 | darienm | zsibot find qpose |
| 02:34:09 | whardier | oh thats SEXY |
| 02:34:10 | zsibot | Searching ZSI for 'http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=qpose' |
| 02:34:11 | zsibot | QPose 3.5-0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=122 |
| 02:34:11 | whardier | who made this! |
| 02:34:11 | kergoth | zsibot: you're back! |
| 02:34:11 | zsibot | kergoth: what? |
| 02:34:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:34:20 | kergoth | whardier: isnt it though.. |
| 02:34:24 | darienm | hrm. |
| 02:34:27 | scanline | so everybody join #openzaurus now >:) |
| 02:34:58 | kergoth | whardier: i dont remember who did it, tille i think. check the cvs logs |
| 02:34:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:35:23 | whardier | its sexy! |
| 02:36:00 | whardier | I think its about time I replace the 360 of the world with something better |
| 02:38:39 | PinkFreud | this is odd. |
| 02:38:59 | BZFlag | hmm.. didn't sharp have a list of supported compactflash cards someplace? |
| 02:39:09 | PinkFreud | this airstation is listed in wlan-ng.conf, yet it still refuses to recognize my network |
| 02:39:16 | kergoth | probably.. probably isnt maintained though |
| 02:39:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:39:41 | BZFlag | any idea where? |
| 02:39:54 | PinkFreud | can't figure this out |
| 02:39:55 | | it has been said that howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 02:39:55 | Cloudchaser | ibot howto |
| 02:40:02 | Cloudchaser | its there bzflag |
| 02:40:06 | Cloudchaser | under cf/sd |
| 02:41:03 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/new_earth.png |
| 02:41:05 | whardier | is that better? |
| 02:41:24 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/simple_grid_400.png |
| 02:41:55 | PinkFreud | BZFlag: I dislike you. BZFlag took over my life for a good period of time. I finally got over that addiction, and now you show up. :P |
| 02:42:04 | PinkFreud | BZFlag: hehe. |
| 02:42:15 | whardier | heh |
| 02:42:34 | kergoth | whardier: that looks nice |
| 02:42:42 | whardier | uhm |
| 02:42:44 | BZFlag | Cloudchaser: I only see storage cards there. I was hoping for the list of IO cards too. ;-) |
| 02:42:46 | whardier | that thing is dithering it |
| 02:42:48 | whardier | damnit |
| 02:42:50 | whardier | hold on |
| 02:42:52 | whardier | its not dithered |
| 02:42:54 | whardier | why is it doing that |
| 02:43:00 | kergoth | whardier: man, that opie systemtime window sucks. we need to redesign it one of these days. |
| 02:43:09 | BZFlag | PinkFreud: and the game has new features now too. try it out again. ;-) |
| 02:43:20 | treke|home | netsystemtime is also pretty confusing |
| 02:43:21 | PinkFreud | BZFlag: I'm going to have to. :) |
| 02:43:25 | whardier | you dirty drug dealer |
| 02:43:32 | PinkFreud | BZFlag: has the irix version been updated as well? |
| 02:43:38 | BZFlag | give up an evel laugh |
| 02:43:40 | scanline | whardier: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6569.png |
| 02:43:44 | BZFlag | er evil =( |
| 02:43:54 | PinkFreud | that's some evil spelling. >:) |
| 02:44:08 | kergoth | treke|home: indeed |
| 02:44:18 | BZFlag | PinkFreud: nope. but the source should compile there. If I had access to a system I'd build it. |
| 02:44:24 | whardier | Ahha |
| 02:44:27 | whardier | there we go |
| 02:44:33 | BZFlag | needs gcc and GL headers/libs |
| 02:44:34 | kergoth | treke|home: systemtime is definately not intuitive.. neither is netsystemtime really. their UIs need fixing |
| 02:44:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:44:38 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/new_earth_2.png |
| 02:44:39 | kergoth | scanline: nice. |
| 02:44:41 | whardier | MUCH BETTAR' |
| 02:44:46 | PinkFreud | BZFlag: when i get a little time, i could probably compile a copy on an I2 |
| 02:44:50 | scanline | kergoth: incentive to add real users :) |
| 02:44:59 | kergoth | scanline: indeed |
| 02:45:00 | | card compatibility is http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
| 02:45:00 | darienm | ibot card compatibility |
| 02:45:07 | kergoth | scanline: between that and your sdl work... :-) |
| 02:45:09 | darienm | BZFlag, looking for that? |
| 02:45:26 | scanline | kergoth: I really want to port snes9x to picogui, with a good UI and some ARM acceleration |
| 02:45:35 | PinkFreud | scratches his head, and tries to figure out why his Airstation doesn't want to talk to his network. |
| 02:45:43 | kergoth | whardier: nice |
| 02:45:45 | scanline | kergoth: running under X with no ARM assembler it's already playable, with some work it could be fast |
| 02:45:50 | whardier | kergoth slap the new http://segfault.bogomip.com/simple_grid_400.png (updated as of two seconds ago) into the feed |
| 02:45:51 | whardier | heh |
| 02:46:06 | BZFlag | whardier: nice. does the shading move with time? |
| 02:46:23 | whardier | BZFlag yeah |
| 02:46:31 | whardier | it was not before.. because I was using a 16bit png |
| 02:46:39 | whardier | apparently the program did all 8 bit stuff to shade it |
| 02:46:44 | BZFlag | darienm: again, just storage cards, but thanx |
| 02:46:47 | whardier | so it loaded it stupid |
| 02:47:17 | darienm | BZFlag: zsi search has completed day 2 of beta, will be ready for you tomorrow afternoon |
| 02:47:34 | BZFlag | darienm: sweet. new syntax? |
| 02:47:40 | whardier | the most beutifull screen you can have on a Z |
| 02:47:50 | kergoth | whardier: ? |
| 02:47:52 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bw_perty.png |
| 02:47:54 | darienm | BZFlag: it will have, yes. |
| 02:48:08 | scanline | whardier: needs dithering badly :P |
| 02:48:09 | whardier | wow VNC does a number on it |
| 02:48:19 | whardier | scanline: thats cause vnc is doing that :) |
| 02:48:22 | whardier | I should use scap |
| 02:48:24 | scanline | whardier: try screencap |
| 02:48:27 | darienm | yeah - its icky |
| 02:48:28 | scanline | nods |
| 02:48:48 | kergoth | i love scap |
| 02:48:50 | scanline | VNC prolly squishes it down to 444 color or something |
| 02:49:00 | treke|home | 453 iirc |
| 02:49:04 | whardier | actually |
| 02:49:05 | scanline | 453??? |
| 02:49:07 | scanline | that's wonky |
| 02:49:08 | whardier | ima reboot first |
| 02:49:14 | treke|home | lemme check |
| 02:49:41 | whardier | I like having the animation back |
| 02:49:43 | whardier | on the intro |
| 02:50:07 | whardier | should find a way to slap a flash player into the kernel |
| 02:50:09 | whardier | heh |
| 02:50:14 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:50:17 | whardier | I should be shot |
| 02:50:27 | kergoth | yes |
| 02:50:32 | kergoth | i'd shoot you my damn self |
| 02:50:43 | whardier | HEH! |
| 02:50:48 | kergoth | whardier: we do need to turn on the FL prior to animation start though |
| 02:50:51 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 02:50:59 | whardier | ok |
| 02:51:00 | whardier | grr |
| 02:51:05 | whardier | dhcpcd is hiding its state somewhere |
| 02:51:14 | whardier | and redoing it w/o reinstating |
| 02:51:18 | kergoth | udhcpc is part of busybox now.. |
| 02:51:19 | whardier | it looks for one.. gets told what it is |
| 02:51:21 | kergoth | nifty |
| 02:51:23 | treke|home | scanline: bleh. bad memory, I was associating something completly different :) |
| 02:51:24 | whardier | but it uses a really fucking old lease |
| 02:51:56 | whardier | greps the filesystem |
| 02:52:22 | kergoth | we should add -r to busybox grep |
| 02:52:30 | whardier | just noticed that |
| 02:52:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:52:45 | whardier | grep 10.21.0.9 `find .` |
| 02:52:54 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:52:55 | whardier | that so does not work |
| 02:53:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:53:15 | kergoth | for i in `find .`; do grep 10.21.0.9 $i; done; |
| 02:53:18 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 02:53:26 | kergoth | the cmdline was likely too long to pass it all in one go |
| 02:53:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:53:33 | PinkFreud | sighs. nothing on the Airstation on the devel site. |
| 02:53:38 | whardier | danke |
| 02:53:47 | PinkFreud | kergoth: too bad xargs doesn't exist on the zaurus |
| 02:54:45 | kergoth | PinkFreud: OZ does. |
| 02:54:51 | kergoth | PinkFreud: have it i mean |
| 02:55:08 | kergoth | man handhelds.org cvs is dog slow atm |
| 02:55:45 | PinkFreud | kergoth: hmmm |
| 02:55:50 | whardier | its in network.opts |
| 02:55:52 | whardier | how did it get there? |
| 02:56:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:56:23 | kergoth | looks forward to ben's opie-netsetup rewrite |
| 02:57:10 | Speedy2 | re |
| 02:57:16 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 02:57:20 | Speedy2 | Hey! |
| 02:57:30 | anselor | how do i execute ifconfig and grab the output? |
| 02:57:40 | kergoth | anselor: popen() |
| 02:57:45 | whardier | much better |
| 02:57:49 | whardier | write protects that file |
| 02:58:10 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:58:17 | whardier | why is zsibot being retarted? |
| 02:58:23 | kergoth | shoots handhelds.org cvs |
| 02:58:31 | kergoth | whardier: darienm is probably changing shit on it |
| 02:58:31 | Speedy2 | agrees |
| 02:58:31 | darienm | because I'm messing wih it. |
| 02:58:36 | whardier | darienm ! |
| 02:58:40 | darienm | what ? |
| 02:58:44 | darienm | it bothers you? I'll move it. |
| 02:58:45 | whardier | nothing! |
| 02:58:47 | whardier | heh! |
| 02:58:50 | whardier | actually |
| 02:58:53 | whardier | I bother people |
| 02:58:55 | whardier | bots don't bother people |
| 02:58:59 | kergoth | whardier: yes, you do |
| 02:59:01 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:59:07 | treke|home | whardier: no, you scare people. theres a difference |
| 02:59:12 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 02:59:16 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:59:20 | darienm | I'll probably need about 4-5 more restarts until I'm happy. want me to move it? |
| 02:59:31 | whardier | :) |
| 02:59:35 | kergoth | darienm: no one cares. we're just smartasses |
| 02:59:44 | darienm | _some_ people care. |
| 02:59:48 | darienm | cdm cared |
| 02:59:51 | treke|home | sits on an icecream cone |
| 02:59:55 | treke|home | its strawberry |
| 02:59:59 | darienm | (well, those were annoying tests, not just restarts) |
| 03:00:02 | kergoth | treke|home: brr |
| 03:00:05 | whardier | cracks it with a spoon |
| 03:00:15 | fusion94 | THERE IS NO SPOON !!! |
| 03:00:20 | darienm | zsibot whardier is pissy |
| 03:00:20 | zsibot | OK, darienm. |
| 03:00:22 | fusion94 | :P |
| 03:00:23 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:00:28 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:00:32 | scanline | zsibot: ibot? |
| 03:00:32 | zsibot | ibot is my evil twin |
| 03:00:33 | treke|home | zsibot: belp |
| 03:00:33 | zsibot | treke|home: sorry... |
| 03:00:38 | treke|home | zsibot: zsi tkc |
| 03:00:39 | zsibot | treke|home: sorry... |
| 03:00:39 | fusion94 | zsibot: kergoth ? |
| 03:00:39 | zsibot | well, kergoth is kanadian |
| 03:00:46 | fusion94 | good zsibot |
| 03:00:46 | treke|home | zsibot: find tkc |
| 03:00:47 | zsibot | treke|home: what? |
| 03:00:50 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:00:55 | | you are at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net or the one responsible for OpenZaurus |
| 03:00:55 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 03:00:55 | darienm | I changed the syntax. |
| 03:00:58 | scanline | kergoth: you're kanadian? :) |
| 03:01:06 | treke|home | kergoth: say it ant so |
| 03:01:08 | whardier | rsyncs his OS |
| 03:01:09 | darienm | zsibot search zsi for xxxx (but its not behaving) |
| 03:01:09 | zsibot | darienm: sorry... |
| 03:01:15 | whardier | I love rsync |
| 03:01:16 | kergoth | scanline: hah. he's giving me shit for living up in MN |
| 03:01:19 | Speedy2 | Hopes it's not true as well |
| 03:01:21 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:01:22 | Speedy2 | sighs with relief |
| 03:01:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:01:27 | scanline | isn't canadian but wouldn't mind it |
| 03:01:40 | fusion94 | Minnesota is the newest province of kanadia, we sold it to htem for a case of LaBlatts |
| 03:01:40 | scanline | no DMCA in canadia! |
| 03:02:18 | fusion94 | oh, and kanadia had to take celine dion back and keep her there |
| 03:02:24 | kergoth | scanline: true that |
| 03:02:26 | kergoth | fusion94: thank god |
| 03:02:35 | scanline | kanadia burned the white house in 1812 >:) |
| 03:02:36 | fusion94 | kergoth: hush kanadian |
| 03:02:47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:03:02 | whardier | Heh! |
| 03:03:04 | scanline | learned all his history from everything2 and three dead trolls in a baggie! |
| 03:03:06 | kergoth | yay, kdebase finished building finally |
| 03:03:14 | Speedy2 | Both factions of Canadian (non-French and French) hate Celine Dion |
| 03:03:19 | fusion94 | dude...how in the hell can you rad everything2 |
| 03:03:21 | Speedy2 | Canada |
| 03:03:26 | fusion94 | read even |
| 03:03:27 | Bala | heh |
| 03:03:30 | scanline | fusion94: bah, everything2 is the greatest! |
| 03:03:30 | fusion94 | i need to sober up |
| 03:03:44 | Bala | i love celine.. shes a true national treasure.. |
| 03:03:48 | Bala | :P |
| 03:03:49 | Speedy2 | Treasure of crap. |
| 03:03:55 | whardier | heh! |
| 03:04:06 | scanline | no need to be so obviously sarcastic :P |
| 03:04:08 | fusion94 | scanline: no, guinness and huge funbags are the greatest, everything2 has nothing on that combo |
| 03:04:09 | Bala | im celine and bryan adams' love child |
| 03:04:12 | kergoth | shoots bala |
| 03:04:13 | Speedy2 | If you were searching for a vaccum of shrill annoyingness... |
| 03:04:15 | kergoth | shoots bala again for good measure |
| 03:04:18 | Speedy2 | You found it in Celine |
| 03:04:22 | scanline | fusion94: hah. maybe... |
| 03:04:38 | kergoth | scanline: maybe? you're sick and wrong |
| 03:04:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:04:49 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.31556.png <-- what's this?? |
| 03:05:00 | scanline | kergoth: well, I've never had guiness |
| 03:05:15 | scanline | kergoth: for all I know it could taste like crap... |
| 03:05:20 | fusion94 | dude...when you take funbags2(squared) * 6 gallons of guinness == hella good time.... and i'm talking about a "pants off" type of good time |
| 03:05:21 | kergoth | scanline: guinness isnt bad for a beer. course i dont drink beer, but hey |
| 03:05:24 | Speedy2 | Beer...bleh |
| 03:05:24 | darienm | scanline: its a web browser |
| 03:05:33 | darienm | scanline: running inside matchbox |
| 03:05:41 | scanline | darienm: yeah, but the display is grayscale and has an endian problem |
| 03:05:52 | Speedy2 | And? |
| 03:05:56 | treke|home | scanline: 3100 probably |
| 03:06:00 | scanline | I shoul dhave asked "What hardware is this?" |
| 03:06:02 | kergoth | say tequila + funbags and i'm there |
| 03:06:09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:06:15 | scanline | ah.. I didn't know scap handled those |
| 03:06:17 | fusion94 | i dinna know you could get tequilla in canada |
| 03:06:56 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:09:23 | PinkFreud | hmm. nothing. |
| 03:09:26 | BigBoss | guinness is yummy |
| 03:09:53 | scanline | debuggifies |
| 03:10:00 | anselor | is there a way to send a ping packet from within the the api? |
| 03:10:12 | PinkFreud | last time, i suppose: i don't suppose anyone here has managed to get a Buffalo Airstation wireless lan card to work in a 5000D on an ad-hoc network, have they? |
| 03:10:40 | PinkFreud | weird. |
| 03:12:38 | whardier | oh neat |
| 03:13:50 | darienm | Who wants to assist with a linguistics challenge for a minute? |
| 03:14:19 | darienm | I'm trying to find the best wording to use for implementing zsi search in ibot |
| 03:14:34 | darienm | so far we have "ibot search zsi for XX" which makes sense |
| 03:14:48 | scanline | how about "find XX in zsi" |
| 03:14:52 | darienm | but I'm having difficulty with the "ibot show recent zsi" phrase |
| 03:15:02 | darienm | actually, "find xxx in" is a restricted term used by ibot |
| 03:15:06 | darienm | I can't use it. Tried. |
| 03:15:37 | | darienm: excuse me? |
| 03:15:37 | darienm | ibot find darienm |
| 03:15:47 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 03:15:47 | darienm | ibot find darienm in xxx |
| 03:17:23 | darienm | keep 'em coming scanline |
| 03:18:05 | | scanline: excuse me? |
| 03:18:05 | scanline | ibot: load zsi databas, perform a query for the software package "SDL" |
| 03:18:12 | darienm | hahahaha |
| 03:18:13 | darienm | no |
| 03:18:18 | scanline | :P |
| 03:18:37 | | scanline: what? |
| 03:18:37 | scanline | ibot: go fine me software |
| 03:18:40 | scanline | s/fine/find/ |
| 03:18:43 | darienm | I'm just thining 'search zsi for' is going to get painful after a while, even though its logically sane |
| 03:19:02 | | no idea, scanline |
| 03:19:02 | scanline | ibot: my zaurus's ip is 192.168.1.126, read my mind and load what I want on it |
| 03:19:20 | BZFlag | ibot search google for zaurus |
| 03:19:22 | | BZFlag: Google can't find zaurus |
| 03:19:31 | ljp | hehe |
| 03:19:38 | scanline | the theory is sound... |
| 03:19:39 | BZFlag | that should work, but google is broken at present. |
| 03:19:47 | BZFlag | ibot search altavista for zaurus |
| 03:19:51 | | BZFlag: AltaVista can't find zaurus |
| 03:20:05 | BZFlag | hmm.. so is altavista. guess I need to fix em. |
| 03:20:07 | | scanline: excuse me? |
| 03:20:07 | scanline | ibot: search my home directory for zaurus |
| 03:20:23 | scanline | Need to install a network cracking module in ibot :) |
| 03:20:49 | | BZFlag: huh? |
| 03:20:49 | BZFlag | ibot: break info scanline's machine. |
| 03:20:59 | | scanline: excuse me? |
| 03:20:59 | scanline | ibot: corrupt my RAID |
| 03:21:00 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: How was your trip to India |
| 03:21:05 | BZFlag | er into. ah erll. |
| 03:21:09 | whardier | WOW! |
| 03:21:18 | scanline | whardier: eh? |
| 03:21:19 | BZFlag | Speedy2: fine. fun hardware. ;-) |
| 03:21:25 | whardier | I like the luna theme |
| 03:21:30 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: Really? How long were you there? |
| 03:21:36 | Speedy2 | scanline: IDE RAID isn't really RAID :P |
| 03:21:40 | Speedy2 | "RAID" |
| 03:21:41 | BZFlag | Speedy2: 4 days. |
| 03:21:48 | Speedy2 | Short and expensive trip |
| 03:21:52 | scanline | Speedy2: it fits the definition |
| 03:22:10 | scanline | Speedy2: SCSI raid doesn't qualify for the I in RAID |
| 03:22:20 | Speedy2 | I is either Independant or Inexpensive |
| 03:22:25 | Speedy2 | I say Independant |
| 03:22:31 | scanline | I've always heard it Inexpensive.... |
| 03:22:45 | Speedy2 | Check P&H |
| 03:22:50 | scanline | has a RAInexpensiveD then :P |
| 03:23:02 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: What kinda craziness did you see? |
| 03:23:38 | whardier | I want wifi bootloading |
| 03:23:39 | whardier | heh! |
| 03:23:59 | Speedy2 | It's possible |
| 03:24:15 | whardier | ANYTHING IS! |
| 03:24:18 | BZFlag | Speedy2: well, much as I expected. traffic, poverty, etc. but lots of trees which I did not expect. |
| 03:24:46 | kergoth | okay, konqueror with tabs officially rocks |
| 03:24:54 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/public/media/images/misc/blue_rings_240x320.png |
| 03:24:55 | whardier | hehehe |
| 03:25:00 | jbwiv | damn it...does anyone know if qpe provides anything similar to QInputDialog? It looks like all the standard dialogs are disabled..... |
| 03:25:07 | whardier | scanline sexy |
| 03:25:23 | scanline | whardier: eh, it's not as sexy as your background... but I might use it |
| 03:25:48 | ljp | jbwiv: I have an inputdialog in the textedit in opie cvs |
| 03:25:53 | darienm | zsibot search zsi for bummer |
| 03:25:54 | zsibot | KTrove 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=407 |
| 03:25:55 | zsibot | tkcVideo >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=349 |
| 03:25:56 | zsibot | _QPSword 0.5.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=141 |
| 03:25:57 | zsibot | 3 of 5 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=http://killefiz.de/zaurus/zsibot.php |
| 03:26:01 | ljp | its just a lineedit tho, basically |
| 03:26:21 | darienm | that wasn't bummer. that was recent. Hrm. |
| 03:27:29 | ljp | that should msg the searcher |
| 03:27:37 | Speedy2 | re |
| 03:27:42 | kergoth | kde 3.1 is sexy |
| 03:27:45 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 03:27:45 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/sc_22.28.11_Thu_22_Aug_2002.png |
| 03:27:46 | whardier | pretty |
| 03:27:47 | whardier | I like luna |
| 03:27:54 | darienm | ljp: it does return the results in /msg if asked in /msg |
| 03:28:06 | darienm | ljp: but its main purpose is to direct OTHERS to the results |
| 03:28:09 | ljp | ahh ok |
| 03:28:17 | scanline | whardier: the other one was a lot better... |
| 03:28:18 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Why are you using Konq? Why not just Mozilla? |
| 03:28:27 | kergoth | Speedy2: i flip back and forth |
| 03:28:28 | darienm | ljp: this is, after all, a channel for helping others -- YOU and I already know how to go to ZSI for our own info. |
| 03:28:33 | kergoth | Speedy2: mozilla's load time is annoying |
| 03:28:43 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Leave it on another desktop |
| 03:28:51 | Speedy2 | Vector yourself overthere, like an interrupt |
| 03:28:52 | jbwiv2 | sorry, got disconnected. Anyone know if there're any input dialogs provided with qpe, or do you have to grow your own? |
| 03:28:59 | kergoth | Speedy2: hehe. i do, most of the time |
| 03:29:00 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I have another ARM document you might like. |
| 03:29:08 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah, what about? |
| 03:29:22 | Speedy2 | Just some generic stuff, C/ASM intermixing, optimizations, etc. |
| 03:29:30 | whardier | Wow! |
| 03:29:32 | Speedy2 | It's 200+ pages |
| 03:30:12 | kergoth | oh man |
| 03:30:17 | kergoth | kate's cold folding is sweet |
| 03:30:19 | kergoth | er |
| 03:30:22 | kergoth | s/cold/code/ |
| 03:30:26 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 03:30:30 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/sc_22.35.38_Thu_22_Aug_2002.png |
| 03:30:37 | whardier | that looks 10x better on the LCD |
| 03:30:49 | kergoth | Speedy2: tap on a +/- to collapse/expand a funcction .. or a comment block.. or what have you |
| 03:30:53 | kergoth | Speedy2: ala a directory structure |
| 03:31:13 | Speedy2 | Umm, ok |
| 03:31:20 | whardier | funky anyhoot.. |
| 03:31:23 | whardier | do my dark theme |
| 03:31:29 | whardier | and change the background color to 100% red |
| 03:31:30 | whardier | heh |
| 03:31:32 | whardier | with that background |
| 03:31:35 | whardier | its HAWT |
| 03:31:53 | kergoth | whardier: current url to the darkcurves bg for the ipk? |
| 03:32:03 | whardier | err |
| 03:32:05 | whardier | no 10-4 |
| 03:32:08 | whardier | didn't copy |
| 03:32:09 | whardier | eh? |
| 03:32:14 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:32:32 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/SEX.png |
| 03:32:35 | whardier | HAWT! |
| 03:33:18 | kergoth | whardier: thats fucking sweet |
| 03:33:20 | whardier | maybe I should just pipe all of you into the vnc stream |
| 03:33:24 | whardier | saves time capturing |
| 03:33:24 | whardier | heh |
| 03:33:27 | kergoth | whardier: i need to flash my Z with OZ just to try it |
| 03:33:35 | whardier | you don't need OZ |
| 03:33:35 | whardier | heh |
| 03:33:45 | Speedy2 | kergoth: New SCSI card came :) |
| 03:33:51 | kergoth | whardier: i need opie.. |
| 03:33:54 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Gonna stick the MOFO in tonight. |
| 03:33:59 | whardier | err |
| 03:34:00 | whardier | your right |
| 03:34:01 | kergoth | whardier: right now its sitting in console with 2.5.31 with serial console |
| 03:34:03 | kergoth | whardier: hehe |
| 03:34:08 | kergoth | Speedy2: nice.. |
| 03:34:44 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/YELLOWSEX.png |
| 03:35:18 | darienm | search zsi for nothing-special |
| 03:35:19 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Can you say dual-channel U320 , 66M times/sec (64-bit, 66MHz PCI) |
| 03:35:28 | kergoth | Speedy2: ooo |
| 03:35:33 | Speedy2 | Oh yeah :) |
| 03:35:35 | whardier | there |
| 03:35:37 | whardier | a hazard theme |
| 03:35:38 | whardier | heh |
| 03:35:39 | kergoth | fucking irssi-gtk spontaniously quit itself |
| 03:35:41 | kergoth | wtf |
| 03:36:15 | kergoth | i love kde 3.1 with keramik |
| 03:36:18 | kergoth | i really do |
| 03:36:18 | scanline | sets whardier's screenshots as the background on his Z :P |
| 03:36:25 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 03:36:27 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 03:36:31 | BZFlag | hey |
| 03:36:34 | whardier | scanline heh! |
| 03:36:37 | whardier | dude |
| 03:36:39 | whardier | hold on |
| 03:36:42 | BZFlag | gotten back to 2.4.* hacking? |
| 03:36:46 | scanline | aww, I can't click on stuff :P |
| 03:36:59 | kergoth | BZFlag: nah, been busy busy busy at work |
| 03:37:08 | kergoth | BZFlag: did talk to greg k-h yesterday about the usbd stuff though |
| 03:37:29 | kergoth | BZFlag: going to do some testing for him so we can get it into the main kernel tree |
| 03:37:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:37:44 | BZFlag | nice |
| 03:37:51 | phatcat625 | anyone have a 5000D? |
| 03:37:57 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/scanline_yellowsex.png |
| 03:38:00 | whardier | there scanline |
| 03:38:24 | BZFlag | phatcat625: lot's of people do. |
| 03:38:24 | phatcat625 | hello? |
| 03:38:32 | whardier | allo! |
| 03:38:42 | whardier | how might we service you? |
| 03:38:52 | phatcat625 | well i just got one off of ebay |
| 03:38:58 | phatcat625 | waiting for it to arrive |
| 03:39:00 | Speedy2 | For how much? |
| 03:39:02 | phatcat625 | 225 |
| 03:39:06 | scanline | whardier: nah, I can make a picogui theme that does the same as your opie theme with the translucent png :) |
| 03:39:24 | whardier | oh yeah! |
| 03:39:24 | whardier | heh |
| 03:39:36 | phatcat625 | not too bad right? |
| 03:39:46 | Speedy2 | I think it's decent price if the unit is in good condition. |
| 03:39:48 | whardier | watches Twilight of the Dark MAster |
| 03:39:59 | phatcat625 | anyone using it with wireless? |
| 03:40:09 | whardier | all of us |
| 03:40:09 | whardier | heh |
| 03:40:22 | scanline | likes his SMC card |
| 03:40:37 | phatcat625 | yeah definitely give me some recommendations on the cards |
| 03:40:56 | scanline | commit's whardier's png to picogui CVS =) |
| 03:41:09 | whardier | hmm |
| 03:41:12 | whardier | blue background is just |
| 03:41:13 | whardier | pretty |
| 03:41:46 | phatcat625 | how hard is it to get the wireless up |
| 03:41:58 | whardier | not hard |
| 03:42:07 | whardier | newest openzaurus makes it easy as cake |
| 03:42:17 | scanline | whardier: in picogui you'll be able to load your dark_curves background and a solid color bg theme at the same time, to do the compositing |
| 03:42:28 | scanline | will make it default to blue, prolly |
| 03:43:14 | phatcat625 | what about memory on the 5000D am I going to run out? |
| 03:43:30 | whardier | phatcat625 most likely |
| 03:43:38 | whardier | everything runs out |
| 03:43:39 | whardier | heh |
| 03:43:58 | AAA | hell0 |
| 03:44:07 | phatcat625 | so an SD card would be a good thing to buy |
| 03:44:10 | whardier | hi spencer! |
| 03:44:20 | AAA | bueno |
| 03:44:21 | phatcat625 | but will i be able to run programs off of it? |
| 03:44:22 | whardier | phatcat625 you should get one |
| 03:44:27 | whardier | yes |
| 03:44:27 | phatcat625 | how big |
| 03:44:34 | whardier | I am running the whole environment off of it |
| 03:44:38 | whardier | up to you :) |
| 03:44:44 | whardier | I have 40 megs free on a 64 meg SD |
| 03:44:47 | phatcat625 | is it slower/faster? |
| 03:44:52 | whardier | after loading huge amounts of the system onto it |
| 03:44:54 | whardier | its slow |
| 03:45:07 | whardier | thanks to ram caching it makes eevrything a little more dynamic for speed |
| 03:45:25 | phatcat625 | you mean like a swap file? |
| 03:45:45 | whardier | no. |
| 03:45:51 | whardier | transparent caching of filesystems |
| 03:45:58 | whardier | the kernel handles it |
| 03:46:11 | phatcat625 | ok |
| 03:46:40 | codemnky | hello |
| 03:46:50 | AAA | so i hosed my shit again |
| 03:47:00 | AAA | :) |
| 03:47:15 | phatcat625 | any other mods you have running whardier? |
| 03:47:24 | jbwiv2 | ok. All I need is a simple window with a simple QLineEdit to input a file name. Since there don't seem to be any predefined dialogs on the Z, what should my home-rolled one extend? Should it subclass QDialog or QWidget? |
| 03:47:46 | comfrey | phatcat625: what is whardier? |
| 03:47:59 | Speedy2 | Well, I'll bbl. I need to clean my HDDs, shove in a new one and stuff the U320 in. |
| 03:48:04 | AAA | qt only starts with whacked out document gui |
| 03:48:17 | phatcat625 | the person i was just talking to |
| 03:48:32 | kergoth | AAA: sounds like you tried to install an opie app directly from a feed on a sharp rom |
| 03:48:32 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12671.png |
| 03:48:39 | AAA | heh |
| 03:48:45 | comfrey | phatcat625: oh yeah :-) |
| 03:48:53 | AAA | kergoth you are sooooo smart |
| 03:48:57 | phatcat625 | i guess not anymore |
| 03:49:05 | whardier | scanline you a yoshi fan? |
| 03:49:31 | scanline | whardier: my computer's named yoshi, after the nintendo character... other than that I dunno :) |
| 03:49:48 | AAA | i was forced to go back |
| 03:50:02 | AAA | kismet would not run |
| 03:50:20 | whardier | heh |
| 03:50:27 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19525.png |
| 03:50:29 | AAA | i dont like it |
| 03:50:38 | whardier | Hey |
| 03:50:40 | whardier | thats sexy! |
| 03:50:44 | scanline | :) |
| 03:51:02 | phatcat625 | so is openzaurus better than the stock OS? |
| 03:51:15 | scanline | phatcat625: it Sucks Less! |
| 03:51:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:51:29 | kergoth | hrm |
| 03:51:30 | phatcat625 | scanline: what are you using then? |
| 03:51:34 | AAA | kergoth are the 2.9.6 series close? |
| 03:51:35 | scanline | phatcat625: OZ |
| 03:51:38 | comfrey | so i attempted to flash my z back from open z to the latedt sharp rom and i get message no inittab ?? |
| 03:51:50 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/BLUESEX.png |
| 03:51:56 | kergoth | AAA: 2.9.6 or 2.9.7 will be opie running as a non root user, better security |
| 03:52:00 | phatcat625 | ok, sucks less then? |
| 03:52:08 | kergoth | AAA: 2.9.8/2.9.9 will be beta testing of 2.4.19 kernel in OZ |
| 03:52:12 | kergoth | AAA: then 3.0 will release |
| 03:52:29 | AAA | yeah. i remember |
| 03:52:40 | AAA | just wondering on timeframe |
| 03:52:46 | scanline | whardier: ok that's it, I'm making a version of my Aqua theme with alpha blending :P |
| 03:53:04 | scanline | but I should prolly get picogui running in OZ first... |
| 03:53:14 | kergoth | AAA: hard to say. next release within a couple weeks, i'd say |
| 03:53:15 | scanline | whardier: is that Qt's Liquid style? |
| 03:53:22 | scanline | kergoth: how's the kernel going? |
| 03:53:35 | whardier | scanline si |
| 03:53:39 | kergoth | scanline: havent had much time to work on it lately |
| 03:53:43 | scanline | k |
| 03:53:46 | kergoth | scanline: going okay though |
| 03:53:51 | AAA | kergoth thx for the info |
| 03:53:56 | comfrey | kergoth, i am eagerly awaiting :-) |
| 03:53:57 | kergoth | np |
| 03:54:16 | whardier | ok |
| 03:54:24 | AAA | kergoth is ther a fix for the feed fucked i made? |
| 03:54:24 | scanline | hi hunger_ |
| 03:54:25 | whardier | this seems like a cool enough movie to sacrifice IRC for |
| 03:54:28 | whardier | bbl |
| 03:55:06 | AAA | is watching the french connection |
| 03:55:52 | comfrey | think the french connection is a lame movie with too many car chases. |
| 03:56:13 | kergoth | AAA: you can ipkg remove all of the opie packages that were inadvertantly installed, but that wont save you unless you manually recreate all the symlinks into the rom |
| 03:56:15 | kergoth | s/rom/flsah/ |
| 03:56:18 | kergoth | s/flsah/flash/ |
| 03:56:46 | comfrey | kergoth: how to install packages from cf? |
| 03:57:20 | kergoth | comfrey: in OZ? |
| 03:57:25 | comfrey | yup |
| 03:57:32 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7025.png <-- looks pretty sw33t on the Zaurus LCD too |
| 03:57:35 | phatcat625 | do i have to have a cf to install updates? |
| 03:58:08 | kergoth | comfrey: options: 1) tap on them in teh docs tab .. 2) tap on them from the file manager .. 3) edit DocLnkDir in oipkg.conf ... 4) create a feed on your CF card with ipkg-make-index following the feed HOWTO on ZZ. |
| 03:58:31 | comfrey | kergoth: thanks |
| 03:58:53 | AAA | damn those symlinks! |
| 03:59:01 | comfrey | is sticking with open z 'cause it is so much better than the sharp rom :-) |
| 04:00:27 | jbardin | z0r |
| 04:00:36 | AAA | comfrey agreed |
| 04:00:38 | jbardin | so who is crankin on their entry for the Z contenst |
| 04:00:45 | AAA | just seemed unstable to me |
| 04:00:51 | phatcat625 | tampa bay welcome welcom |
| 04:00:56 | AAA | hmmmm... maybe cause I kept fucking with it ;) |
| 04:01:13 | jbardin | phatcat, you in the tb area? |
| 04:01:59 | phatcat625 | grew up there |
| 04:02:06 | jbardin | cool, i goto USF |
| 04:02:14 | phatcat625 | oh yeah i go to UM |
| 04:02:20 | phatcat625 | what are you studying |
| 04:02:21 | jbardin | anyone know what quality of 'beta' they are expecting... |
| 04:02:23 | jbardin | CS |
| 04:02:30 | phatcat625 | yeah me too |
| 04:02:42 | jbardin | well i want to study CS right now its calc and physics |
| 04:02:45 | phatcat625 | just bought me a Z on e-bay |
| 04:02:50 | jbardin | i suck at the all prereqs |
| 04:03:02 | jbardin | so i will be luckly if i get into the actual program |
| 04:03:04 | phatcat625 | yeah i had that same problem in engineering |
| 04:03:10 | comfrey | AAA: what is the best strategy for installing apps with the OZ rom? |
| 04:03:12 | jbardin | god forbid i end up doing the MIS stuff |
| 04:03:21 | comfrey | ie root/mntram |
| 04:03:26 | scanline | mwahaha, all the cool screencaps have my IP on them >:) |
| 04:03:38 | phatcat625 | our program is pretty basic |
| 04:03:44 | phatcat625 | but they changed all the classes |
| 04:03:59 | jbardin | hmm |
| 04:04:01 | phatcat625 | so i'll be lucky if i'm not scrambling around to profs to approve me for graduation |
| 04:04:03 | darienm | jbardin: our entry for the challenge is 99% complete. |
| 04:04:05 | kergoth | comfrey: it depends on you. i install the base apps i use constantly into flash, then install extra stuff to mtdram.. then i symlink Documents, Applications and Settings onto my CF card |
| 04:04:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:04:13 | darienm | jbardin: hoping to send it along with instructions in an hour. |
| 04:04:21 | jbardin | dariem, good for you... mine is well.. |
| 04:04:24 | jbardin | not so far along |
| 04:04:29 | jbardin | i do have something though |
| 04:04:48 | jbardin | how do i build the ipkg? |
| 04:05:01 | darienm | jbardin: http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/sg-ui.php |
| 04:05:19 | comfrey | kergoth: yeah. i suppose i need to get a mmc card, i have a cf 802.11 and cant use cf as much for apps, most of which are networking apps, :-/ |
| 04:05:36 | darienm | jbardin: I don't know about ipks. My programmer did all that. |
| 04:06:00 | jbardin | cool |
| 04:06:02 | treke|home | darienm: your turning into bigbos |
| 04:06:02 | kergoth | darienm: I *so* need your app to track my weight lifting and other physical training... |
| 04:06:05 | kergoth | darienm: :-) |
| 04:06:08 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:06:09 | jbardin | whats it for diabetes? |
| 04:06:13 | darienm | treke|home: how so? |
| 04:06:25 | kergoth | comfrey: ah yeah.. I still dont own a sd or mmc card myself |
| 04:06:25 | darienm | kergoth: serious or joking? |
| 04:06:29 | kergoth | darienm: serious |
| 04:06:33 | treke|home | darienm: just the way you phrased that. "my programmer" |
| 04:06:39 | darienm | kergoth: it will be ready for public beta tomorrow. |
| 04:06:42 | kergoth | darienm: I need a way to track my progress, i was going to write an app for that a while back |
| 04:06:45 | kergoth | darienm: great |
| 04:06:47 | darienm | treke|home: I don't program in C++. |
| 04:07:01 | jbardin | dariem what does the date picker look like...? |
| 04:07:03 | darienm | treke|home: erikd is my programmer. I'm concept and design. |
| 04:07:17 | darienm | jbardin: its sweet - its a calendar pop-up widget like in the to-do apps |
| 04:07:25 | jbardin | rock on... |
| 04:07:31 | jbardin | did you make it yuourself or find it? |
| 04:07:41 | darienm | jbardin: its available in opie |
| 04:07:46 | jbardin | opie? |
| 04:07:49 | comfrey | have any of you seen the OZ calibration freeze for some time when the target gets to the top left? |
| 04:07:50 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 04:07:50 | darienm | ibot opie |
| 04:08:00 | kergoth | darienm: what license are you guys going to have this under? |
| 04:08:04 | darienm | kergoth: GPL |
| 04:08:07 | kergoth | comfrey: hmm cant say that i have |
| 04:08:08 | treke|home | mind if I make a minor ui sugesttion? |
| 04:08:11 | kergoth | darienm: cool |
| 04:08:12 | darienm | kergoth: See the image of the about box :) |
| 04:08:27 | jbardin | dariem... so what does your app do.. just chart data? |
| 04:08:32 | kergoth | Anyone know of a good outliner for X/kde? |
| 04:08:38 | kergoth | hey hunger_ |
| 04:08:39 | jbardin | cause mine is supposed to be a meal tracker |
| 04:08:43 | kergoth | oh he left |
| 04:08:44 | darienm | JUST CHART DATA !!!! JUST CHART DATA ?!?!?!? |
| 04:08:46 | kergoth | blah |
| 04:08:47 | kergoth | darienm: lol |
| 04:09:06 | darienm | It also EXPORTS the data !!! |
| 04:09:07 | kergoth | jbardin: the advantage being it lets you track *any* piece of arbitrary data, i'd say |
| 04:09:11 | jbardin | nice... |
| 04:09:12 | treke|home | darienm: http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/sg-img/entries_review_edit.png < maybe you should show that dialog fullscreen |
| 04:09:17 | jbardin | well its alot more than i have |
| 04:09:38 | darienm | treke|home: why? It doesn't need the extra space. |
| 04:09:41 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5017.png |
| 04:10:23 | kergoth | darienm: he's right, it'll feel cleaner to make it full |
| 04:10:34 | darienm | jbardin: besides charting and exorting the data, you can also compare distinctly different sets of data by OVERLAYING the graphs on top of each other; and the graphs offer a scale feature to zoom in/out (compress/decompress) the visual. |
| 04:10:35 | treke|home | darienm: Having it take up 75 % of the screen looks kind of odd to me, there isnt much space left, and whats there would disappear if you open the input method |
| 04:10:36 | scanline | Now I need to make a translucent modifier for popups... |
| 04:10:57 | darienm | treke|home: notes for post-beta cleanup |
| 04:11:02 | darienm | er, noted. |
| 04:11:12 | kergoth | darienm: can you apply a scaling factor to one of the caparison values and a different factor to another? |
| 04:11:21 | kergoth | darienm: i.e. to offset differing scales between the data |
| 04:11:34 | kergoth | darienm: solely for comparison of course |
| 04:11:50 | darienm | kergoth: theoretically, yes -- practically it probably wont be available to the user until verson 2. |
| 04:12:02 | jbardin | man that rocks... |
| 04:12:04 | kergoth | darienm: understandable. just wanted to make sure you guys kept it in mind |
| 04:12:08 | darienm | kergoth: it would require another few controls in a dialog. |
| 04:12:14 | kergoth | certainly |
| 04:12:16 | jbardin | i am definatly gonna have to make an export of my app to plug into that |
| 04:12:22 | darienm | kergoth: we kept all the possibilities for expansion very very open. |
| 04:12:28 | kergoth | darienm: great |
| 04:12:29 | DaWorm | giFT is my friend! |
| 04:12:36 | darienm | jbardin: I'm interested in your app, what is it? |
| 04:12:38 | kergoth | giFT is most definately our friend |
| 04:12:45 | DaWorm | indeed |
| 04:13:00 | kergoth | giFTcurs.. gotta love it |
| 04:13:13 | kergoth | someone should make kift or one of the other giFT guis as usable as the curses one |
| 04:13:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:13:56 | darienm | kergoth: The parameters (actually a SQL query) for each graph can be saved and named. They can be recalled later. it would take another dialog box and a little bit of code to select multiple saved graphs (each one is saved with a user-specified scale value) and overlay them. |
| 04:14:17 | kergoth | darienm: oh i see, cool. |
| 04:14:17 | jbardin | its a meal tracker |
| 04:14:23 | jbardin | uses the USDA meal db file |
| 04:14:27 | jbardin | 6000 foods and all |
| 04:14:33 | jbardin | tracks all the nutrinial information |
| 04:14:39 | darienm | jbardin: same database that warmi used for NFDB ? |
| 04:14:55 | jbardin | NFDB? |
| 04:15:03 | darienm | zsibot search zsi for nfdb |
| 04:15:03 | zsibot | Debug: recent=1, query='nfdb' |
| 04:15:04 | zsibot | KTrove 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=407 |
| 04:15:05 | zsibot | tkcVideo >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=349 |
| 04:15:06 | zsibot | _QPSword 0.5.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=141 |
| 04:15:07 | zsibot | 3 of 5 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=nfdb |
| 04:15:08 | darienm | froak !!! |
| 04:15:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:15:16 | darienm | bad bot |
| 04:15:27 | darienm | :( |
| 04:15:31 | jbardin | yea same db |
| 04:15:42 | darienm | ok. |
| 04:15:46 | darienm | nifty |
| 04:15:48 | whardier | I would dig a 512meg CF right now |
| 04:15:54 | kergoth | keramik rocks |
| 04:15:59 | kergoth | whardier: what are ya working on? |
| 04:16:06 | darienm | Planned for version 2 of StatGrapher is IMPORT facilities for data. |
| 04:16:13 | jbardin | but his isnt a meal tracker |
| 04:16:23 | darienm | correct, his is only nutritional info. |
| 04:16:24 | jbardin | its just an interface into the db |
| 04:16:30 | jbardin | i wish he open sourced it |
| 04:16:37 | darienm | um,he did. |
| 04:16:42 | jbardin | mm its ;freeware; |
| 04:16:43 | whardier | kergoth: re-encoding some video to fit on a 64meg CF |
| 04:16:43 | darienm | You just have to ask. |
| 04:16:46 | jbardin | really.. |
| 04:16:50 | darienm | maybe. |
| 04:17:00 | darienm | didn't it say on the web page "source coming soon" ?? |
| 04:17:07 | jbardin | yea it does... |
| 04:17:09 | jbardin | very interesting |
| 04:17:13 | jbardin | do you know if he uses sqlite? |
| 04:17:18 | jbardin | i am considering using that |
| 04:17:25 | whardier | sure as hell uses it :) |
| 04:17:31 | darienm | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/nfdb.shtml |
| 04:17:35 | darienm | jbardin: yes its sqlite |
| 04:17:38 | jbardin | yea i am there |
| 04:17:43 | darienm | jbardin: statgrapher uses sqlite also |
| 04:17:55 | jbardin | nice... |
| 04:18:01 | jbardin | are you using any api... |
| 04:18:08 | jbardin | i found a nice c++ wrapper for it |
| 04:18:14 | darienm | jbardin: I'm reasonably sure if you asked for the source (all or part) it would be available to you. |
| 04:18:28 | jbardin | had to compile it on the skiff cluster |
| 04:18:45 | darienm | jbardin: warmi wrote his own wrapper -- we're using his. We also found an alternative, but we had already finished the coding. We might switch to the other one later on. |
| 04:19:21 | jbardin | right.. |
| 04:19:32 | jbardin | arg i lost the link to the tut on building the ipkg |
| 04:19:59 | jbwiv | how do you go about setting the layout of widgets for qtopia apps? There don't seem to be any layout classes defined for qt/e. I'm trying to simply create a QWidget with two items as children: a pushbutton and a qlineedit. However, when I run it, one covers the other up...thx very much for any help |
| 04:20:46 | darienm | jbwiv: I've been using qt designer for all UI stuff. |
| 04:21:16 | jbwiv | darienm: ah. ok. surely it uses layouts in someway though... |
| 04:21:23 | darienm | oh sure it does. |
| 04:21:24 | kergoth | jbwiv: ipkg building is covered in one of the HOWTOs on ZZ |
| 04:21:36 | darienm | jbwiv: I just don't ever look at the code |
| 04:21:54 | darienm | kergoth, that was jbardin |
| 04:21:57 | jbwiv | I'm just trying to handcode what *should* be very simple. I'm missing something. |
| 04:21:57 | jbwiv | kergoth: heh...I never asked about ipkg |
| 04:22:25 | kergoth | jbwiv: ah damn tab completion |
| 04:22:29 | jbwiv | kergoth: but with so many questions coming from me...it's a natural assumption ;) |
| 04:22:29 | jbwiv | hehe |
| 04:22:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:22:52 | anselor | hey, the ping on the zaurus |
| 04:22:58 | anselor | does it need a -b switch to ping broadcast? |
| 04:23:05 | jbwiv | kergoth: you have any idea how to lay to widgets out on a parent widget so they don't overlay eachother??? |
| 04:23:05 | scanline | hey cool... got translucent popups working |
| 04:23:32 | kergoth | jbwiv: Ive never had a problem with them overlaying one other.. just use layouts.. |
| 04:23:37 | anselor | on my laptop i need a -b, but my fileserver doesn't. redhat vs debian packages i suppose. |
| 04:23:44 | jbwiv | kergoth: there don't seem to be any layout classes provided... |
| 04:24:12 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:24:18 | jbwiv | kergoth: I get an error when trying to include qvboxlayout.h. Maybe it's just my enviroment....hang on |
| 04:24:22 | kergoth | layouts work fine |
| 04:24:24 | kergoth | k |
| 04:24:41 | jbwiv | hrmm.... |
| 04:25:02 | jbwiv | I thought so too, as I was using one the other day.....k( |
| 04:25:25 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11488.png |
| 04:25:25 | whardier | oops |
| 04:25:27 | whardier | ! |
| 04:25:30 | whardier | how do I rotate it? |
| 04:25:41 | whardier | whats the "$MODEL" for Zaurus uploads? |
| 04:26:03 | darienm | whardier: I rotated it for you? |
| 04:26:05 | kergoth | whardier: http://handhelds.org/scap/toflip.cgi?fn=port.11488.png¹@@ |
| 04:26:26 | whardier | bah |
| 04:26:27 | whardier | heh |
| 04:26:27 | darienm | bah |
| 04:26:30 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 04:26:31 | darienm | now its sideways |
| 04:26:35 | whardier | one line change to scap.sh |
| 04:26:37 | whardier | I like that |
| 04:27:13 | darienm | whardier: fixed |
| 04:27:22 | whardier | ? |
| 04:27:26 | whardier | what is fixed? |
| 04:27:30 | jbwiv | kergoth: in the Qtopia rpm, I only see qlayout.h and qabstractlayout.h included...is your environment different? |
| 04:27:38 | darienm | oh, its just the url that changes |
| 04:27:42 | anselor | could one of you please check the ping command that comes with embedix? |
| 04:27:53 | darienm | nevermind, me confused about how scap wrks |
| 04:28:08 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/toipaq.cgi?fn=port.11488.png |
| 04:28:10 | whardier | BAH HAH HAH |
| 04:28:19 | kergoth | jbwiv: well, I dont use the qtopia rpm .. i built qt and opie, and used that |
| 04:28:25 | kergoth | whardier: they need a "To Zaurus.." |
| 04:28:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:28:33 | whardier | yeah |
| 04:29:11 | scanline | is happy with his fake zaurus |
| 04:29:21 | jbwiv | kergoth: but you have the layout headers in your Qt/e directories? |
| 04:30:06 | jbwiv | sheesh. never mind |
| 04:30:21 | kergoth | k |
| 04:30:23 | jbwiv | smacks forehead repeatedly. |
| 04:30:23 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:30:32 | kergoth | gets himself another drink |
| 04:30:34 | scan[fake] | hmm.. this color scheme sucks |
| 04:30:39 | jbwiv | layouts are all located in qlayout.h |
| 04:30:39 | jbwiv | my bad. sorry |
| 04:30:44 | kergoth | np |
| 04:30:47 | extremis | kergoth: how goes it? |
| 04:30:51 | kergoth | extremis: not bad, you? |
| 04:31:10 | whardier | bah |
| 04:31:12 | whardier | sleep |
| 04:31:15 | whardier | must |
| 04:31:16 | whardier | sleep |
| 04:31:56 | extremis | just checking my snort logs |
| 04:32:15 | scanline | kergoth: any idea why the busybox route.c is barfing in my compile? |
| 04:32:39 | extremis | did you get a chance to look at kismet/fakeap today? |
| 04:32:42 | kergoth | scanline: not offhand.. lemme try my build |
| 04:32:48 | scanline | kergoth: thanks |
| 04:32:55 | kergoth | extremis: nah didnt, I'll play with it tomorrow at work if i have time |
| 04:33:15 | kergoth | extremis: speaking of which, email me that fakeap url and a reminder to clarson@digi.com so i dont forget :-) |
| 04:34:40 | comfrey | having dificulty installing tkcplayer |
| 04:35:12 | comfrey | 'invalid magic error while installing |
| 04:35:33 | kergoth | comfrey: probably a corrupt ipk |
| 04:35:41 | kergoth | comfrey: also, if this is OZ, upgrade your ipkg from the feed. |
| 04:36:04 | kergoth | shit i better go set my alarm so i'm not late tomorrow. i was late twice this week ,my boss is getting pissed |
| 04:36:06 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:36:08 | comfrey | 'k will do |
| 04:37:16 | [DrEvil] | so kergoth |
| 04:37:23 | [DrEvil] | what do you think of that log? |
| 04:38:19 | jbardin | anyone know the quickest way to parse a deliminated text file? |
| 04:38:55 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: same problem as with libc6, you need Sources= lines for each ipk part |
| 04:39:08 | kergoth | jbardin: careful use of QString |
| 04:39:15 | [DrEvil] | there is a Sources line |
| 04:40:03 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i thought you said that was a stock openssl.mk? |
| 04:40:23 | [DrEvil] | I don't recall adding it to that file |
| 04:40:29 | jbardin | kergoth.. checkin the docs now |
| 04:40:43 | jbardin | found the QFile stuff to read the file into QStrings |
| 04:42:06 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: the existing openssl.mk doesnt have a Sources line down under the BinaryInstallCmds |
| 04:42:35 | kergoth | jbardin: take a look at hte text parser in opie or qpe netsetup where it reads and writes network.opts .. may give you an idea as to how to do it |
| 04:42:52 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 04:42:59 | Com[Plex] | whats new peopel |
| 04:43:00 | kergoth | hey Com[Plex] |
| 04:43:03 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 04:43:06 | Com[Plex] | long time no see |
| 04:43:14 | Com[Plex] | hows the OZ thing going? |
| 04:43:15 | kergoth | yeah howve ya been? |
| 04:43:22 | kergoth | not too bad, stabilizing |
| 04:43:43 | Com[Plex] | Ive been pretty good. went down to virginia for UVALAN, did some modding on computers, made a bunch of money, etc. |
| 04:44:10 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 04:44:11 | [DrEvil] | SourceTree="$(SourceTree) |
| 04:44:13 | [DrEvil] | that line? |
| 04:44:17 | Com[Plex] | check this case out, http://me.256k.net/casemod/uvalan/AngryMods_Empire.jpg made that one or a kids birthday, custom decal and everything |
| 04:44:24 | [DrEvil] | nevermind |
| 04:44:26 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: Sources=$(Sources) \ .. down by the ipk lines |
| 04:44:29 | kergoth | np |
| 04:44:43 | scanline | Com[Plex]: bawls :) |
| 04:44:48 | [DrEvil] | needs to go take a shower |
| 04:44:55 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: sweet |
| 04:44:57 | [DrEvil] | it has been an interesting night |
| 04:44:58 | kergoth | man, i need a case of bawls |
| 04:45:01 | darienm | bawls is yummy |
| 04:45:04 | kergoth | very |
| 04:45:07 | scanline | needs more bawls! |
| 04:45:12 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/uvalan/ |
| 04:45:12 | kergoth | i havent had any in a while |
| 04:45:23 | kergoth | I should just sign up for the thing where they send you a case periodically |
| 04:45:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:45:30 | Com[Plex] | yeah, I bought two cases of it, and somone stole about a whole case from me,. little by little |
| 04:45:45 | kergoth | ehe |
| 04:45:47 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 04:45:50 | Com[Plex] | they are too small. one sip and they are empty |
| 04:45:55 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:45:58 | Com[Plex] | I drink a two liter of soda a day. |
| 04:46:00 | kergoth | arent they like 10oz or something? |
| 04:46:02 | scanline | Com[Plex]: http://blinkenlights.sourceforge.net/images/yoshi/im000481.jpg |
| 04:46:03 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 04:46:05 | Com[Plex] | 10 |
| 04:46:16 | kergoth | nuts, i have to drink bawls in moderation |
| 04:46:21 | Com[Plex] | omg, nice scan |
| 04:46:23 | kergoth | like amongst other cheaper soda |
| 04:46:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:46:44 | Com[Plex] | scanline, is that Yours? |
| 04:46:52 | Com[Plex] | very cool. whatever did you do that with? |
| 04:46:57 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/toipaq.cgi?fn=port.5017.png |
| 04:46:59 | scanline | That's mine, yes |
| 04:47:00 | whardier | heh |
| 04:47:16 | scanline | Com[Plex]: 72 LEDs behind that plastic sheet, all computer controlled. I wrote an XMMS plugin for it |
| 04:47:38 | Com[Plex] | nice! |
| 04:47:53 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/uvalan/AngryMods+007.jpg - my nickname is "AngryMan" outside fo IRC |
| 04:48:13 | scanline | My case isn't much to look at on the inside :) |
| 04:48:21 | Com[Plex] | I do a shitload of case mods, and painting, etc,. under the "company" name "AngryMods" |
| 04:48:50 | scanline | I'd like to produce kits for this LED board of mine, but I haven't had time to finish a second revision of the design |
| 04:49:01 | Com[Plex] | I do all sorts of stuff. I havent done any software controlled LEds, but I have done some semiconductor controlled faders adn whatnot |
| 04:49:37 | Com[Plex] | and rigged a strobe light to tick whenever the hard drive LED flashes. that took a bit of work. heh |
| 04:49:43 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:49:54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: where'd you get the handles for the top of that case on the AngryMods_Empire? |
| 04:49:57 | scanline | I have a white LED for my hard disk activity, and I wouldn't want it to be any brighter :) |
| 04:49:59 | kergoth | i need a set of those |
| 04:50:19 | Com[Plex] | I get those handles at either walmart or home depot |
| 04:50:21 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 04:50:24 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:50:26 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:50:43 | Com[Plex] | you can get them other places, - I used to get them all at home depot, but walmart sells them in pais for 2.99. and you cant beat that |
| 04:50:46 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: thats a super micro midtower case isnt it? |
| 04:50:52 | Com[Plex] | but they sell polished brass ones at home depot |
| 04:50:56 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ah nice |
| 04:51:07 | Com[Plex] | supermicro is a distributor, the actual manufacturer is " |
| 04:51:09 | Com[Plex] | apex" |
| 04:51:12 | whardier | kergoth http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/konqueror_snapshot_20020311_arm.ipk (tabs?) |
| 04:51:21 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yeah, but its the same case right? i have that in a closet somewhere |
| 04:51:24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hehe |
| 04:51:26 | Com[Plex] | the model is well knows as "the purple button |
| 04:51:27 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: those are *quality* cases |
| 04:51:43 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ah |
| 04:51:55 | Com[Plex] | well. quality compared to some. they are really inexpensive. but i Love the way they look :> |
| 04:52:10 | kergoth | indeed |
| 04:52:16 | Com[Plex] | I get them painted proffesionally, cut al the mods myself. etc. I do some mods to the lights and stuff too |
| 04:52:30 | Com[Plex] | sell em at lan parties. |
| 04:52:35 | Com[Plex] | thats the idea anwyay |
| 04:52:39 | kergoth | thats slick |
| 04:52:43 | kergoth | i'd be interested myself :-) |
| 04:52:45 | Com[Plex] | Ive sold 12 of them so far. |
| 04:53:10 | Com[Plex] | they are a bit pricey, 200$ and up. = but the paint itself costs me a shitload. |
| 04:53:18 | Com[Plex] | I make more money jsut doing mods |
| 04:53:22 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 04:53:55 | scanline | woohoo |
| 04:54:02 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: sweet |
| 04:54:08 | Com[Plex] | I also make watercoolers on the side. heh. Im a hobbyist really. I just like being able to support my hobbies with myhobbies. :> |
| 04:54:22 | scanline | wants a water cooled zaurus =_ |
| 04:54:23 | scanline | err, =) |
| 04:54:26 | Com[Plex] | IM about tp repaint it, the paints chipping a bit. |
| 04:54:31 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 04:54:45 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/uvalan/AngryMods+020.jpg |
| 04:54:57 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/uvalan/AngryMods+021.jpg |
| 04:55:21 | Com[Plex] | so anywya, what release is the OZ up to? |
| 04:55:33 | Com[Plex] | is it in official beta version blah? |
| 04:56:14 | whardier | wants to solder some more ram into his Z |
| 04:56:30 | Com[Plex] | whats the hang ups for it lately? - I ask, because Im trying to decide wether I want to upgrade to 1.37/8 or to OZ.. - to be honest, Im looking for opinions.. |
| 04:56:32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its OZ 2.9.5.5 atm |
| 04:56:43 | Com[Plex] | whardier: I took mine apart to se if I could do that, and I got scared. |
| 04:56:57 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/sharpapart01.jpg |
| 04:57:00 | Com[Plex] | screw that |
| 04:57:06 | Com[Plex] | heh. |
| 04:57:07 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: current hangups.. dont know of any.. no java of course, no opera.. but there are scripts to yank that stuff off the sharp rom. netsetup kinda sucks, but ben meyer is rewriting it.. |
| 04:57:22 | Com[Plex] | why istn there java support? |
| 04:57:28 | Com[Plex] | not allowed to use it? |
| 04:57:33 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: I dont feel like taking the risk of distributing it |
| 04:57:38 | Com[Plex] | hmm./. |
| 04:57:50 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: not like i have a license to do so or anything |
| 04:57:54 | Com[Plex] | netsetup? |
| 04:57:57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: just use the scripts to generate ipks from that stuff on a sharp rom |
| 04:58:04 | Com[Plex] | right. |
| 04:58:15 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: netsetup = network setup app in the gui.. it doenst have a usb option or irda or BT at the moment |
| 04:58:34 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: but it'll have all of that and wireless within it after ben's rewrite and stuff |
| 04:58:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:58:47 | Com[Plex] | I see. |
| 04:59:10 | Com[Plex] | anything significant missing? I mean, who cares about bt, heh. does it support my 802.11b card? |
| 04:59:17 | kergoth | yeah wireless is great |
| 04:59:22 | kergoth | actually has wireless extensions.. |
| 04:59:26 | Com[Plex] | k. |
| 04:59:30 | kergoth | no wlan-ng |
| 04:59:33 | kergoth | cause it sucks |
| 04:59:36 | kergoth | blah |
| 04:59:41 | Com[Plex] | does it use busybox? - or rather, the latest busybox? |
| 04:59:45 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:59:47 | Com[Plex] | with teh color dirs.. |
| 04:59:49 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 04:59:49 | kergoth | latest from cvs as of when i bulit it |
| 04:59:58 | kergoth | color ls .. gotta love it |
| 05:00:13 | Com[Plex] | now, do they use jmurphs 0.63 version or? |
| 05:00:21 | kergoth | who? |
| 05:00:27 | kergoth | sharp uses an *ancient* version |
| 05:00:30 | kergoth | I use latest cvs. |
| 05:01:11 | Com[Plex] | I have a hard time understanding what the deal with with that.. - did jmurph ( http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=167 ) write busybox or just modify it? |
| 05:01:24 | scanline | Erik Andersen wrote busybox |
| 05:01:52 | kergoth | Erik is quite talented |
| 05:01:58 | kergoth | his work on uclibc is amazing |
| 05:02:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:02:03 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 05:02:22 | scanline | He usually hangs out in #tuxscreen as 'andersee' |
| 05:02:23 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 05:02:44 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:02:58 | Com[Plex] | okay, so - here do I go to get OZ to play with? |
| 05:03:06 | Com[Plex] | I got some free time. I feel liek fiddling |
| 05:03:11 | scanline | CVS :) |
| 05:03:12 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: jmurph, aka mspin, just built latest busybox and made an ipk for it |
| 05:03:27 | Com[Plex] | well. not much of an ipk |
| 05:03:30 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: either pull from cvs and build from source if thats your deal, or hop over to SF and read up |
| 05:03:31 | Com[Plex] | actually jsut the file |
| 05:03:33 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:03:35 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:03:57 | scanline | CVS could still use some bugfixes and a .cvspass before it works right out of the box |
| 05:04:05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:04:11 | kergoth | its got some issues on mandrake boxen |
| 05:04:17 | scanline | and gentoo |
| 05:04:20 | kergoth | and redhat works but you need to edit include.mk to point autoconf/automake to the right versions |
| 05:04:41 | kergoth | the ipkg build (and possibly others) *needs* autoconf 2.5x |
| 05:05:36 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 05:05:51 | Com[Plex] | is there a way to avoid having to compile this? |
| 05:05:54 | scanline | kergoth: is busybox supposed to be building with ipv6? |
| 05:05:55 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: heh. just read README, INSTALL, and FAQ on SF |
| 05:06:04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: http://sf.net/projects/openzaurus |
| 05:06:06 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 05:06:19 | kergoth | scanline: yeah, people have requested ipv6 support, figured it wouldnt hurt |
| 05:06:42 | scanline | kergoth: just wondering if it's supposed to work, since that seems to be what's making route.c choke. Any headers I need on my machine for that to work? |
| 05:07:02 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/toflip.cgi?fn=port.22554.png thats just cute |
| 05:07:08 | whardier | are there any other fonts yet? |
| 05:07:15 | Com[Plex] | Ill be using redhat. |
| 05:07:36 | scanline | wow, scap's pretty full today >:) |
| 05:07:40 | Com[Plex] | its the only one I could get running in vmware within three days of friggin around with it. |
| 05:07:56 | | scanline: no idea |
| 05:07:56 | scanline | ibot: friggin? |
| 05:08:04 | kergoth | scanline: lemme check |
| 05:08:07 | | OK, scanline. |
| 05:08:07 | scanline | ibot: friggin is see farq |
| 05:08:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:08:37 | Com[Plex] | heh |
| 05:09:16 | | I think you meant fuck. dont beat around the bush, man. |
| 05:09:16 | kergoth | ibot: farq |
| 05:10:01 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 05:10:11 | whardier | anybody gotten makeqpf working? |
| 05:10:11 | | well, Com[Plex] is a cool guy, with an even cooler computer. check it out, http://me.256k.net/casemod/NEW_PICS/ |
| 05:10:11 | Com[Plex] | ibot me |
| 05:10:15 | Com[Plex] | hahahahahaha |
| 05:10:18 | | you are at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net or the one responsible for OpenZaurus |
| 05:10:18 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 05:10:18 | Com[Plex] | thats Old |
| 05:10:21 | Com[Plex] | it remembers |
| 05:10:23 | | kergoth: I forgot kergoth |
| 05:10:23 | kergoth | ibot: forget kergoth |
| 05:10:27 | Com[Plex] | hahaha |
| 05:10:48 | scanline | aww, ibot doesn't know about kergoth any more... |
| 05:10:55 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 05:10:55 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is <reply>Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. | at kergoth@digitalnemesis.net and the OpenZaurus guy. |
| 05:11:00 | | hmmm... kergoth is at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net and the OpenZaurus guy. |
| 05:11:00 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 05:11:11 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:11:13 | | ...but kergoth is <reply>Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. | at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net and the OpenZaurus guy.... |
| 05:11:13 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is <reply>Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. | at kergoth@digitalnemesis.net and is the OpenZaurus guy. |
| 05:11:15 | | kergoth: I forgot kergoth |
| 05:11:15 | kergoth | ibot: forget kergoth |
| 05:11:17 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 05:11:17 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is <reply>Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. | at kergoth@digitalnemesis.net and is the OpenZaurus guy. |
| 05:11:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:11:22 | Wembly | omg! |
| 05:11:25 | Wembly | busybox function |
| 05:11:26 | Wembly | *hides* |
| 05:11:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:11:32 | | wish i knew, com[plex] |
| 05:11:32 | Com[Plex] | ibot: kergoth is a uy who likes his women just like he likes his cars... (Greasy) |
| 05:11:35 | Wembly | dont replace me with a very small busybox function! noo! |
| 05:11:36 | Com[Plex] | guy |
| 05:11:38 | scanline | replaces Wembly with a perl regex |
| 05:11:43 | Wembly | *whinces* |
| 05:11:47 | Wembly | *feels icky* |
| 05:11:47 | Com[Plex] | heheh |
| 05:11:48 | kergoth | /bin/busybox -Wembly >/dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 05:11:50 | Wembly | thats even worse |
| 05:12:07 | Wembly | takes kergoth's busybox function over the perl regex anyday |
| 05:12:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:12:32 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 05:12:32 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 05:12:39 | kergoth | good good |
| 05:13:11 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, does it tell me in the readme exactly what files i need to download? |
| 05:13:31 | darienm | thinks zsibot may finally be ready for prime time |
| 05:13:37 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: check INSTALL and FAQ |
| 05:13:54 | Com[Plex] | roger that |
| 05:14:03 | scanline | turns off IPv6 in busybox to see if it compiles |
| 05:14:38 | scanline | hmm.. I thought I had emacs set up to do transparent decompression |
| 05:14:51 | scanline | kergoth: why are all the patches in buildroot-oz/sources/ gzipped :P |
| 05:14:54 | Com[Plex] | uh.. kergoth, :"To contrast, OpenZaurus, due to its writable rootfs, one can install packages directly to flash. ": is this safe? |
| 05:15:20 | scanline | Com[Plex]: about as safe as commercial airlines |
| 05:15:43 | scanline | in theory it's fine, though it will be better once we stop running as root |
| 05:16:08 | Com[Plex] | translation: very likely to have a problem, but if it does fail, you can expect a big fireball |
| 05:16:35 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: as scanline says, its only risky because youre root |
| 05:16:46 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i.e. dont run embeddedkonsole and type rm -rf /lib |
| 05:16:53 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: other than that, you're fine |
| 05:16:56 | scanline | Theoretically you can wear out your flash, but modern flash is pretty dang durable |
| 05:17:04 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its as safe as running your linux or windows box on your desktop |
| 05:17:11 | kergoth | scanline: yeah, plus with wear leveling.. |
| 05:17:18 | scanline | jffs2 rocks :) |
| 05:17:42 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 05:17:47 | Com[Plex] | whats jffs2? |
| 05:17:57 | | i guess jffs2 is at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ |
| 05:17:57 | scanline | ibot: jffs2? |
| 05:19:35 | whardier | ftp://zaurus.ionkov.net/pub/makeqpf |
| 05:19:39 | whardier | I WANT THE FILE THERE! |
| 05:20:30 | kergoth | ftp:// is associated to ncftp on my X? when did that happen? . nifty |
| 05:20:45 | whardier | :) |
| 05:21:02 | whardier | ok |
| 05:21:04 | whardier | geocrawler |
| 05:21:05 | whardier | is stupid |
| 05:21:06 | whardier | heh |
| 05:21:08 | whardier | first off |
| 05:21:10 | whardier | gets started |
| 05:21:13 | whardier | they don't have a search |
| 05:21:14 | whardier | second |
| 05:21:18 | whardier | they bring down the database |
| 05:21:22 | whardier | when most people that would want to use it. |
| 05:21:29 | whardier | are caffinated and online! |
| 05:21:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:21:37 | kergoth | i hate the lack of search thing |
| 05:21:37 | whardier | at 12:00 at night |
| 05:21:39 | kergoth | drives me *nuts* |
| 05:21:46 | whardier | now .. you tell me.. is that run by complete morons or what? |
| 05:21:51 | scanline | note to self- dont' run emacs under fakeroot |
| 05:21:58 | kergoth | scanline: hah, why |
| 05:21:58 | whardier | scanline ? |
| 05:22:12 | whardier | still needs to drag scanline out for some sushi |
| 05:22:12 | scanline | If I edit a file owned by "root" it thinks it's read-only |
| 05:22:15 | kergoth | wtf, the GL kde screensavers wont compile for me |
| 05:22:17 | kergoth | grr |
| 05:22:21 | Wembly | whardier: omg.. dont even start on geocrawler |
| 05:22:26 | whardier | Wembly ! |
| 05:22:27 | whardier | jej |
| 05:22:28 | whardier | heh |
| 05:22:50 | Wembly | scanline: even if you have write permission? |
| 05:23:03 | scanline | yes |
| 05:23:37 | scanline | what the... |
| 05:23:40 | scanline | still read-only |
| 05:23:47 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 05:23:54 | whardier | starts downloading news to his PDA now |
| 05:24:06 | whardier | I still need to make a wget -> avantgo proxy |
| 05:24:47 | scanline | I think emacs just went nutty in the head... it still thinks the file's read only, but other editors work fine |
| 05:26:21 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth, when I install OZ, how much of the flash is left available for storage or apps? |
| 05:26:31 | Com[Plex] | 2 megs? |
| 05:26:59 | Com[Plex] | is the flash as fast as ram for loading and running apps? |
| 05:28:01 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: 2 or 3 megs |
| 05:28:06 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its not quite as fast |
| 05:28:14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: but you can install apps to ram still if you want. |
| 05:28:18 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: there's still a ramdisk. |
| 05:28:25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its just flash is the default install path |
| 05:28:27 | Com[Plex] | depending on the zimage i select |
| 05:28:34 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 05:28:35 | kergoth | yeah zImage determines ramdisk size |
| 05:29:17 | Com[Plex] | Ive stuck with the 26-6 rom all along. it gives me plenty of ram, and I just isntall all my apps to SD. |
| 05:29:43 | Com[Plex] | you say the package manager has bugs.. anything serious? or does it jsut struggle with some thigns? |
| 05:30:00 | Com[Plex] | = a man of a million questions |
| 05:31:58 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its fine nowadays |
| 05:33:04 | Com[Plex] | okay. - uh.. now, about this cvs thing. Ive used it once, but its been a while.. Im gonna boot up my redhat shell, where do I start with the CVS download? |
| 05:33:26 | Com[Plex] | I didnt read anything about it in the faq readme or install fiels |
| 05:33:28 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 05:33:38 | kergoth | you dont need cvs |
| 05:33:48 | kergoth | cvs is if you want to build all of openzaurus from *source* |
| 05:33:53 | kergoth | its not a requirement to run it |
| 05:33:56 | Com[Plex] | ahh.. |
| 05:34:30 | Com[Plex] | wouldnt that be the most up to date stuff tho? - well.. lets just say I want to learn... I think I ofund the page,, |
| 05:34:30 | Com[Plex] | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.openzaurus.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/openzaurus login |
| 05:34:44 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: the OZ feed contains ipks of everything in cvs. |
| 05:34:49 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its up to date. |
| 05:35:17 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: my recommendation.. install OZ per INSTALL.. then upgrade to the latest packages in the feed |
| 05:35:20 | Com[Plex] | and thats whats found here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=43045&release_id=104278 |
| 05:35:25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: if you want to play with the source, go for it |
| 05:35:26 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 05:35:40 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: just pull it down per the instructions on SF and run make openzaurus; .. and cross your fingers :-) |
| 05:35:57 | scanline | You'll need lots of fingers to cross too ;) |
| 05:36:00 | Com[Plex] | I guess basically, I wuill isntall per INSTALL, but I was kind of looking for the source to fiddle with.. |
| 05:36:12 | scanline | the OZ build system is awesome when it works, but it's still rather brittle |
| 05:36:25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: pull down the source... |
| 05:36:30 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it wont hurt anything |
| 05:36:39 | Com[Plex] | im having some trouble finding it |
| 05:36:46 | whardier | OH SHIT |
| 05:36:48 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: just saying, you can do it alongside.. flash my prebuilt zImage and initrd.bin, and lpay with source as well |
| 05:36:49 | whardier | HTTRACK is the bomb! |
| 05:36:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:36:54 | whardier | http://www.httrack.com/index.php?p=2&l=en |
| 05:36:55 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: run the two cvs commands it gives you |
| 05:37:02 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 05:37:23 | scanline | whardier: how's that better than wget --mirror? |
| 05:37:44 | kergoth | scanline: thats what i was gonna ask |
| 05:37:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:38:15 | jbardin | does QString have a RemoveChar method? |
| 05:39:24 | whardier | scanline: HEH! |
| 05:39:38 | whardier | it has a really cool Yes No system that walks you thru the mirror |
| 05:39:42 | whardier | so I could mirror slashdot |
| 05:39:47 | whardier | and not OSDN |
| 05:39:53 | scanline | so it's like wget but bugs you more? |
| 05:39:53 | whardier | but still grab shit linked to hemos's website |
| 05:39:59 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:40:01 | whardier | it bugs you more initially :) |
| 05:40:07 | kergoth | whardier: dood, its a wizard. i hate wizards. |
| 05:40:10 | kergoth | whardier: :-P |
| 05:40:12 | whardier | then you can run --update -X slashdot |
| 05:40:22 | whardier | and it mirrors plus deletes shit it doesn't need |
| 05:40:28 | whardier | it has a nice wizard |
| 05:40:29 | whardier | ! |
| 05:40:38 | whardier | besides its easy to frontend |
| 05:40:40 | scanline | you could replace it with a very small shell script and wget |
| 05:40:50 | whardier | scanline :) no.. you couldn't |
| 05:41:02 | whardier | you could.. but it would take longer |
| 05:41:11 | whardier | I have mirrored my life away. |
| 05:41:15 | whardier | this is a good project |
| 05:41:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:41:22 | scanline | sees two whardiers all of a sudden |
| 05:41:24 | kergoth | whardier: write a qtopia frontend. |
| 05:41:27 | whardier | no |
| 05:41:40 | whardier | I am mentioning it so I don't have to |
| 05:41:40 | scanline | whardier: write a qtopia frontend to x-chat :P |
| 05:41:40 | whardier | heh |
| 05:41:48 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 05:42:00 | whardier | I gots ma things I like to dooze! |
| 05:42:06 | kergoth | scanline: i used to love xchat.. but irssi-gtk stole me away |
| 05:42:16 | kergoth | now i want irssi-qt |
| 05:42:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:42:24 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:42:53 | kergoth | argh |
| 05:42:55 | kergoth | wave.o(.text+0x123b): undefined reference to `gluNurbsSurface' |
| 05:42:57 | kergoth | wave.o(.text+0x1266): undefined reference to `gluNurbsSurface' |
| 05:42:59 | kergoth | wtf is that? |
| 05:43:03 | kergoth | i cant compile any GL apps now? |
| 05:43:05 | kergoth | grr |
| 05:43:26 | whardier | install libglut |
| 05:43:28 | whardier | dev |
| 05:44:01 | kergoth | ~$ sudo apt-get install libglut3-dev |
| 05:44:03 | kergoth | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 05:44:05 | kergoth | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 05:44:07 | kergoth | Sorry, libglut3-dev is already the newest version. |
| 05:44:09 | kergoth | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 05:44:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:44:31 | kergoth | damn kde screensavers, build! |
| 05:45:01 | scanline | 226 packages upgraded, 13 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 05:45:02 | scanline | Need to get 86.7MB of archives. After unpacking 13.5MB will be used. |
| 05:45:29 | whardier | hugs scanline |
| 05:45:35 | scanline | eh? |
| 05:45:40 | whardier | never knew you were a debianer |
| 05:45:44 | scanline | yeah |
| 05:45:55 | scanline | I use Debian on my desktop and Gentoo on my laptop |
| 05:46:02 | whardier | funk |
| 05:46:04 | kergoth | whardier: have you tried apt-src? |
| 05:46:06 | scanline | also use Debian on my server |
| 05:46:18 | kergoth | whardier: its like apt-get source, but on crack |
| 05:46:23 | kergoth | whardier: tis amazing |
| 05:46:34 | kergoth | whardier: it'll be able to download dependent sources and build those also soon |
| 05:46:36 | scanline | feels lightheaded after spraying his squeaky chair with WD-40 |
| 05:46:48 | scanline | kergoth: cool, that's like gentoo for debian =) |
| 05:46:56 | kergoth | yeah, very nifty |
| 05:47:35 | kergoth | apt-src + the new dpkg-build2 stuff.. + an altered buildd .. and we'll have OZ building from a debian source package feed |
| 05:47:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:47:42 | kergoth | thatd be sweet |
| 05:47:59 | scanline | oh yeah baby |
| 05:48:42 | scanline | DAMN, my chair still squeaks! |
| 05:48:47 | kergoth | oh and a nifty cml2 config method to choose what packages to build.. |
| 05:48:49 | kergoth | thatd be cool too |
| 05:48:51 | whardier | wo has a good mobile website? |
| 05:48:52 | kergoth | scanline: i hate that |
| 05:48:57 | whardier | for offline browsing? |
| 05:49:02 | whardier | I know the onion does :) |
| 05:49:09 | whardier | already got them mirrored |
| 05:49:16 | scanline | kergoth: I should update picogui to CML2 |
| 05:49:35 | kergoth | scanline: yeah, then we could configure picogui with *adventure*! eh? |
| 05:49:38 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 05:49:42 | scanline | yay |
| 05:50:04 | kergoth | configuring the kernel with adventure is amusing |
| 05:50:05 | scanline | It would probably help with dependencies between video drivers, input drivers, and platforms in picogui |
| 05:50:08 | kergoth | take SMP |
| 05:50:09 | kergoth | go north |
| 05:50:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:50:16 | kergoth | yeah most likely |
| 05:50:36 | scanline | Right now, it's just up to you to do it right, and if not, no binary for you! |
| 05:51:21 | scanline | or even worse, you get a binary but it won't run because you didn't compile the driver for whatever video formats your platform uses |
| 05:51:40 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: when are you going to add bluez to OZ? |
| 05:51:51 | [DrEvil] | and autofs4 |
| 05:52:02 | whardier | bah.. |
| 05:52:10 | whardier | in interactive/adventure CML2 mode |
| 05:52:17 | whardier | you should have to resolve all the dependancies yourself |
| 05:52:23 | Com[Plex] | does the embedded console in OZ have tabs? |
| 05:52:25 | whardier | in order to do this you must unlock X |
| 05:52:37 | whardier | "gah.. where is that on the map?!" |
| 05:53:38 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: keep forgetting. feel free to add them.. ;-) |
| 05:53:41 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yes |
| 05:53:59 | whardier | bedtime |
| 05:54:00 | [DrEvil] | I mean opie has all the BT stuff |
| 05:54:01 | whardier | night folks |
| 05:54:05 | kergoth | whardier: night |
| 05:54:09 | [DrEvil] | but there is now hardware BT support in OZ |
| 05:54:15 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: well minus the integration in netsetup.. but yeah |
| 05:54:32 | Wembly | how does BT work? |
| 05:55:13 | [DrEvil] | BT is fabulous |
| 05:55:42 | scanline | eek... |
| 05:55:47 | scanline | debian upgrade filled up / |
| 05:55:52 | kergoth | scanline: ack |
| 05:57:16 | scanline | wishes he'd partitioned a little differently, since there's still 36GB free on /home |
| 05:57:22 | [DrEvil] | debian beatniks |
| 05:57:30 | [DrEvil] | you should use LVM |
| 05:57:35 | scanline | yeah, I should |
| 05:59:35 | scanline | uninstalls lots of E and gnome stuff |
| 06:00:14 | NeoTron | doh |
| 06:00:20 | NeoTron | no wonder RocketElite behaved oddly |
| 06:00:30 | kergoth | ? |
| 06:00:33 | NeoTron | I had forgotten app.showMainWidget(...) |
| 06:01:12 | kergoth | ahh |
| 06:01:58 | kolla | kergoth: there you are :) |
| 06:02:06 | kergoth | hey kolla |
| 06:02:31 | kolla | kergoth: wlan.. when setting key it for some reason is set to "blurb open" instead of "s:blurb" |
| 06:03:01 | kergoth | kolla: err odd |
| 06:03:09 | kergoth | kolla: probably a bug in the wlansetup app |
| 06:03:17 | kergoth | kolla: for now edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts manually |
| 06:03:21 | kolla | also I dont think having the actualy kernel driver for the sd/mmc card as part of the sdmmc package |
| 06:03:30 | kolla | kergoth: yes, done |
| 06:03:32 | kergoth | kolla: wireless setup is soon to be integrated into netsetup anyway |
| 06:03:38 | kolla | ok |
| 06:03:40 | kergoth | kolla: ? |
| 06:03:46 | kergoth | kolla: what about the sd module? |
| 06:03:47 | NeoTron | cool. |
| 06:03:52 | NeoTron | re should be ready for releas |
| 06:03:55 | NeoTron | makes a build |
| 06:04:13 | kergoth | kolla: right now its in one package for simplicity's sake, thats all, if there's a reason to package it differently let me know |
| 06:04:15 | scanline | uninstalls kdelibx to make more free space |
| 06:04:21 | scanline | s/kdelibx/kdelibs/ |
| 06:04:33 | kolla | yesterday I removed the sdmmc package as I mount my sd card permanently, but on the next boot, to my horror, I noticed that the entire kernel module was gone along with the "sdmmc" package :) |
| 06:06:04 | kolla | I assumed the sdmmc package was just the monitor |
| 06:06:08 | kergoth | kolla: ahh. so you want the module in the kernel modules package and the daemon in its own package? |
| 06:06:13 | kergoth | kolla: i can do that |
| 06:06:29 | kergoth | kolla: actually, email that to me so i dont forget about it, will ya? |
| 06:06:35 | kolla | ok :) |
| 06:07:43 | scanline | whardier: You should write some 31337 picogui themes for the Z |
| 06:08:01 | kolla | oh.. anyone got the sd/mmc kernel module avaible for dcc? heh |
| 06:09:11 | kergoth | brb |
| 06:11:48 | Com[Plex] | woohoo |
| 06:11:55 | Com[Plex] | I see a dinozaur |
| 06:11:57 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 06:12:09 | scanline | pingizauru |
| 06:12:17 | Com[Plex] | reconfiguring packabges............................. |
| 06:13:45 | Com[Plex] | chug chug chug |
| 06:14:27 | Com[Plex] | penguisaurus.. is that what thats supposed to be? |
| 06:14:42 | Wembly | yes |
| 06:14:57 | Wembly | i have no clue wtf a zauru is |
| 06:15:14 | Wembly | so i presume its a mutation of a panguen. |
| 06:15:27 | kolla | whatever that is :) |
| 06:15:33 | Wembly | hehe |
| 06:15:39 | Wembly | yea i know i suck at spelling |
| 06:15:47 | Wembly | so shoot my spelling teachers in gradeschool hehe |
| 06:15:49 | scanline | penguin + zaurus = pingizauru |
| 06:15:56 | kolla | I like the name of that apache module.. mod_speling |
| 06:16:38 | Wembly | hwhwh |
| 06:16:42 | Wembly | err hehe |
| 06:16:46 | kolla | :) |
| 06:17:25 | kergoth | hmm |
| 06:17:51 | kergoth | sleep now, and get only 4 hrs of sleep.. or dont sleep at all |
| 06:19:38 | kergoth | to sleep, or not to sleep.. thats the question |
| 06:22:22 | switchcat | greetings |
| 06:23:42 | scanline | hello |
| 06:25:08 | Com[Plex] | no games by default???? lol |
| 06:25:58 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: check the feed |
| 06:26:01 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 06:26:01 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed |
| 06:26:35 | Com[Plex] | k. uh. now, about that opera thing.. |
| 06:26:38 | Com[Plex] | and java... |
| 06:26:58 | scanline | just compile opera from source :) |
| 06:27:49 | Com[Plex] | how about I just extract the files from the rom? |
| 06:28:00 | Com[Plex] | skergoth just said there was a script for that |
| 06:28:37 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: um, you didnt listen t hough |
| 06:28:44 | Com[Plex] | oh... |
| 06:28:53 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you run the script on your sharp rom.. it creates ipks .. then you can install those ipks after flashing to OZ |
| 06:29:06 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i.e. you run the scripts on your Z in the sharp rom |
| 06:29:13 | scanline | you could try konqueror first... |
| 06:29:16 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: course you could alter it to read the romimage directly |
| 06:29:22 | kergoth | yeah konq/e is pretty cool |
| 06:29:28 | Com[Plex] | hmm... |
| 06:30:06 | NeoTron | comments on http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/README.txt |
| 06:30:10 | kergoth | waits for kdenetwork from cvs to compile |
| 06:30:17 | NeoTron | it's a general install readme for my new packagign system (zip file) |
| 06:30:23 | kergoth | NeoTron: dood how long does it take to get serials for game purchases? |
| 06:30:36 | NeoTron | kergoth: 10 minutes at the most |
| 06:30:36 | kergoth | NeoTron: usually pretty quick? |
| 06:30:39 | NeoTron | yes |
| 06:30:41 | kergoth | erm |
| 06:30:43 | kergoth | odd |
| 06:30:45 | NeoTron | like instant with a dealy |
| 06:30:54 | scanline | NeoTron: s/Secury/Secure/ |
| 06:30:54 | NeoTron | I've had issues with handango not sending me an order mail though |
| 06:31:05 | kergoth | NeoTron: that may be the case here, i never received it |
| 06:31:13 | Com[Plex] | how good is the opie mediaplayer? |
| 06:31:17 | Com[Plex] | still crap or? |
| 06:31:20 | Com[Plex] | herhe |
| 06:31:26 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: opieplayer2 rocks. supports divx, ogg.... |
| 06:31:30 | Com[Plex] | shoudl I jsut use the tkc player een tho is sucks? |
| 06:31:32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its in beta testing atm |
| 06:31:35 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 06:31:38 | Com[Plex] | Ill grab it |
| 06:31:56 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: opie-mediaplayer2 isnt in the oz feed atm, cause its still in testing |
| 06:32:03 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ask Harlekin for the ipks when you see him, |
| 06:32:11 | NeoTron | kergoth: ok, order date ? through handango? paypal? |
| 06:32:18 | DaWorm | i would definitely rock when it gest released |
| 06:32:20 | NeoTron | what email addr? |
| 06:32:34 | kolla | could someone dcc me sharp_mmcsd_m.o? |
| 06:32:39 | kergoth | NeoTron: hold, let me doublecheck how i ordered it |
| 06:32:47 | kolla | pretty please? :) |
| 06:32:50 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 06:32:50 | NeoTron | ibot kergoth |
| 06:32:54 | NeoTron | bah |
| 06:33:31 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 06:33:31 | kergoth | ibot kergoth? |
| 06:33:34 | | i guess kergoth is at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net and is the OpenZaurus guy. |
| 06:33:34 | kergoth | ibot kergoth? |
| 06:33:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:33:40 | kergoth | random |
| 06:33:51 | NeoTron | well, no mail with any reference to digitalnemesis |
| 06:33:53 | NeoTron | like doh |
| 06:34:05 | NeoTron | fuck handango. :P |
| 06:34:15 | kergoth | NeoTron: i think i ordered bustem from you eongames and candycruncher from handango.. or something lke htat.. shit now that i think about it, i dont remember if i ordered both or not |
| 06:34:16 | kergoth | is tired |
| 06:34:24 | kergoth | ah they didnt send it to you? |
| 06:34:48 | NeoTron | know around what date? |
| 06:34:52 | Com[Plex] | what is this file? zlib1g_1.1.4-1_arm.ipk |
| 06:35:27 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: exactly what it says, zlib |
| 06:35:56 | Com[Plex] | k.. so its better than the old zlib 1.1.2 |
| 06:35:57 | kolla | oh well.. never mind, found it myself :) |
| 06:37:19 | NeoTron | kergoth: ising the email above? |
| 06:37:22 | kergoth | NeoTron: Com[Plex]: iirc there was a security hole at some point. check the bugtraq archives |
| 06:37:33 | kergoth | NeoTron: i'll get you a date.. lemme log into handango quick |
| 06:37:42 | kergoth | yawns |
| 06:37:49 | | Com[Plex]: huh? |
| 06:37:49 | Com[Plex] | ibot bugtraq |
| 06:39:14 | Com[Plex] | is opie-keypebble_0.9.1-20020806_arm.ipk newer or oder than qpe-keypebble_1.5.0-8bp_arm.ipk ? |
| 06:40:04 | NeoTron | Ok, I do see a paypal Bust'em purchase |
| 06:40:04 | kergoth | NeoTron: 08/09 |
| 06:40:09 | NeoTron | email phantast2@hotmail.com |
| 06:40:21 | kergoth | NeoTron: 08/09 was the candycruncher on handango |
| 06:40:34 | kergoth | NeoTron: yeah that hotmail acct is mine as well, shit i forgot about that, i havent checked that box ;-) |
| 06:40:34 | comfrey | how to make a feed pointing to cf? |
| 06:40:43 | NeoTron | but I see no such thing in my email |
| 06:40:44 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 06:41:05 | NeoTron | that is odd |
| 06:42:02 | NeoTron | candy cruncher sales I wouldn't see - that would go to Pyrogon |
| 06:42:03 | comfrey | i would like to install tkcplayer to mtram |
| 06:42:10 | comfrey | on OZ |
| 06:42:29 | kergoth | NeoTron: ohh yeah, okay gotcha |
| 06:42:31 | comfrey | but if i click on the pkg it defaults to /root |
| 06:42:36 | kergoth | comfrey: um, no. |
| 06:42:44 | kergoth | comfrey: tap + hold on the packagename in the To Install page |
| 06:42:49 | kergoth | comfrey: select "mtdram" |
| 06:42:51 | kergoth | comfrey: :-) |
| 06:42:57 | comfrey | k thanks :-) |
| 06:43:05 | scanline | doesn't like tap + hold.. |
| 06:43:06 | NeoTron | of course, it still goes through my script... |
| 06:44:32 | NeoTron | kergoth: what email via handango? |
| 06:44:45 | kergoth | NeoTron: digitalnemesis on handango |
| 06:45:08 | Wembly | how the hell do you pronouce handango? |
| 06:45:12 | NeoTron | hrm. no luck finding one |
| 06:45:14 | NeoTron | damn it |
| 06:45:20 | NeoTron | wonder if it's handango or me |
| 06:45:28 | kergoth | no idea |
| 06:45:34 | NeoTron | but then again paypal failed too it seels.. |
| 06:45:36 | NeoTron | grrr |
| 06:45:46 | kergoth | NeoTron: do me a favor and resend the bustem one to the hotmail addy if you get a chance, as that box was disabled.. lol |
| 06:45:47 | Com[Plex] | like Grim Fandango |
| 06:45:51 | Com[Plex] | handango |
| 06:46:04 | Com[Plex] | fan·dan·go (f²n-d²ng“g½) n., pl. fan·dan·gos. 1.a. An animated Spanish or Spanish-American dance in triple time. b. A piece of music for this dance. 2. Informal. Nonsense; tomfoolery. [Spanish, possibly alteration of *fadango, from fado, from Portuguese, sad song. See FADO.] |
| 06:47:51 | kergoth | cmon kdenetwork, build faster |
| 06:48:21 | NeoTron | hell |
| 06:48:33 | NeoTron | I do have the hotmail order here |
| 06:48:52 | NeoTron | and I sent a mail to you |
| 06:49:05 | NeoTron | Subject: Your Order |
| 06:49:05 | NeoTron | ToyKeeper: Chris Larson <phantast2@hotmail.com> |
| 06:49:06 | NeoTron | From: Eon Games Sales <sales@eongames.com> |
| 06:49:21 | NeoTron | hah ToyKeeper was To: |
| 06:49:28 | kergoth | yep thats me.. your mail to me probably bounced.. resend it if you can |
| 06:49:30 | kergoth | since that box was closed |
| 06:49:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:49:36 | NeoTron | well, doh! |
| 06:49:41 | NeoTron | use a valid email! :)) |
| 06:49:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:49:50 | kergoth | yeah yeah |
| 06:49:52 | kergoth | that paypal account was verified |
| 06:49:53 | NeoTron | I don't have the mail with an actual key so I'll have Digital concepts send it |
| 06:49:56 | kergoth | my new one wasnt :-) |
| 06:50:00 | kergoth | okay |
| 06:50:45 | NeoTron | ok, sent a mail to Douglas |
| 06:50:58 | NeoTron | he'll get it out tonirhgt or tomorrow I'm guessing |
| 06:51:01 | NeoTron | usually pretty fast |
| 06:51:21 | kergoth | okay, thanks |
| 06:56:46 | DaWorm | hmm...still awake eh kergoth? |
| 06:57:00 | kergoth | yeah |
| 06:57:09 | kergoth | debating whether to sleep and get 3 hours of sleep or not even bother |
| 06:57:12 | DaWorm | wow what time is it there, around 3am? |
| 06:57:15 | kergoth | yeah 3 |
| 06:57:38 | kergoth | i shouldve gone to bed at like midnight, but got distracted |
| 06:57:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:58:09 | DaWorm | hehee |
| 06:58:25 | darienm|away | kergoth, whereabouts are you? |
| 06:58:55 | kergoth | Minnesota |
| 06:59:07 | MSpin | ahhhh |
| 06:59:45 | MSpin | timezones....bah~ |
| 06:59:58 | kergoth | heheh |
| 07:00:17 | kergoth | oh good kdenetwork finished |
| 07:00:20 | kergoth | finally |
| 07:00:35 | MSpin | what? |
| 07:00:54 | MSpin | bah, I need to drink more..... |
| 07:00:56 | MSpin | <---lightweight |
| 07:03:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:03:27 | kergoth | i didnt drink much tonight, only 2 long islands.. |
| 07:03:32 | kergoth | right now i'm drinking orange juice. hehe. |
| 07:04:30 | Com[Plex] | what aer these task files at the btotom there? |
| 07:05:08 | kergoth | ? |
| 07:05:08 | kergoth | oh |
| 07:05:08 | kergoth | those just install a bunch of opie packages |
| 07:05:20 | kergoth | like in debian, task-x would install all of hte X packages |
| 07:05:40 | kolla | moves the /usr/lib/libiw* to /lib so he can get the network up and running even without /usr mounted |
| 07:06:01 | Com[Plex] | ahh, including the base thiny and the qpe2uschedlue hatever |
| 07:06:03 | Com[Plex] | whatever |
| 07:06:58 | Com[Plex] | why cant I open these with winzip? this is the first time this has happened with IPKz |
| 07:07:06 | MSpin | kergoth: I had 3 screwdrivers over a two hour period. I was still feeling 'em 4 hrs later |
| 07:07:24 | Com[Plex] | the data.tar.gz files dont want to open |
| 07:07:29 | MSpin | the nice bartender makes strong drinks |
| 07:08:05 | kergoth | MSpin: hehe. had a good time i trust? |
| 07:08:33 | MSpin | kergoth: oh yes |
| 07:09:33 | kergoth | good good |
| 07:09:35 | MSpin | kergoth: the new kismet has some nifty features |
| 07:09:48 | kergoth | MSpin: does it? lke waht? |
| 07:09:49 | kolla | hm |
| 07:10:11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: fyi, you can swipe the opie-mediaplayer2 package and codecs package from the opie.info feed. just dont install them directly from the feed. wget them or something |
| 07:10:42 | MSpin | kergoth: manufacturer detection is cool |
| 07:10:57 | MSpin | things seem to just run smoother |
| 07:11:38 | MSpin | it's supposed to have signal strength info...but the numbers never change |
| 07:11:51 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 07:11:55 | Com[Plex] | stares blankly |
| 07:12:18 | MSpin | I also reworked it so you now choose your ROM and card type inside of kismet_qt |
| 07:13:18 | kergoth | nice |
| 07:13:32 | kolla | "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0" |
| 07:13:44 | kergoth | kolla: ? |
| 07:13:48 | Wembly | kolla: herm? |
| 07:13:56 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
| 07:14:00 | Com[Plex] | none of this is working |
| 07:14:00 | kolla | that's what cardmanager says when I insert wlan card :) |
| 07:14:04 | MSpin | kolla: yeah me too |
| 07:14:12 | Wembly | looks like an error from ifup |
| 07:14:15 | kolla | it does run iwconfig though |
| 07:14:17 | Com[Plex] | why cant I jsut install a stupid ipk? it keeps saying that its missing this file or that |
| 07:14:23 | Com[Plex] | I try to get those files, and they bitch too |
| 07:14:28 | kergoth | oh yeah thats harmless |
| 07:14:37 | Com[Plex] | so what do I do exactly |
| 07:14:39 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: what are you trying to install? |
| 07:14:43 | Com[Plex] | I want konq |
| 07:14:47 | kolla | but I have to run dhcpcd wlan0 manually |
| 07:14:55 | Wembly | kolla: try this.. |
| 07:14:57 | Com[Plex] | it wants base. I get base, it wants qpe2usched |
| 07:15:06 | Com[Plex] | I get that, it wants something else. |
| 07:15:10 | Wembly | toss into /etc/network/interfaces at the end iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 07:15:15 | Com[Plex] | ipaqalarm |
| 07:15:21 | Com[Plex] | i dont have an ipaq |
| 07:15:21 | Wembly | err let me put that on a line of its own.. |
| 07:15:22 | kergoth | Wembly: make sure he didnt use netsetup ... |
| 07:15:27 | Wembly | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 07:15:37 | Wembly | kergoth: herm. ill let you do that cus i dunno how |
| 07:15:38 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: um |
| 07:15:41 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: dood |
| 07:15:43 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you have opie-base. |
| 07:15:45 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its preinstalled. |
| 07:15:59 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: and install the latest ipkg from the feed, it fixes a bug that kept konq from being able to be installed |
| 07:16:09 | Wembly | kolla: tho hehe dont do that cus well something about netsetup :) |
| 07:16:20 | kolla | :) |
| 07:16:34 | Com[Plex] | I am installing the latest ipkg forom the feed |
| 07:16:34 | Wembly | kolla: i dont have a wireless card to play wif so i have no clue what goes on :) |
| 07:16:40 | kergoth | Wembly: well, if he ran netsetup, it'll add a entry to network.opts .. so it'll never fall back to the ifup/ifdown call |
| 07:16:44 | Com[Plex] | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/ |
| 07:16:52 | Com[Plex] | tell me what file, |
| 07:16:53 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: NO |
| 07:16:55 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: ARGH |
| 07:16:59 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: RTFM |
| 07:17:02 | | i guess oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 07:17:02 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed |
| 07:17:03 | Wembly | kergoth: yea but if ifup's giving him an error about an interface? |
| 07:17:14 | Com[Plex] | ARGH |
| 07:17:14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you're installing ipaq packages in OZ. good luck. |
| 07:17:31 | Com[Plex] | no wonder. I asked for feed earlier, thats what i got. woops |
| 07:17:34 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:17:35 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: use the oz3 feed, which was already in your ipkg.conf |
| 07:17:40 | kergoth | it was already all setup man |
| 07:17:43 | kergoth | you messed with it |
| 07:17:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:17:47 | Wembly | *laugh* ipaq packages are just compatable enough to be dangerous :) |
| 07:18:00 | Com[Plex] | nic |
| 07:18:27 | Wembly | some work some dont. |
| 07:19:37 | Com[Plex] | whats this for? openzaurus_3.0_arm.ipk |
| 07:20:27 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its a empty virtual package |
| 07:20:35 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its also preinstalled |
| 07:20:47 | kolla | and what is it for? :) |
| 07:21:17 | Com[Plex] | how do I knwo wich of these is preinstalled? |
| 07:22:08 | Com[Plex] | these Konq files are identical to the ones I jsut tried |
| 07:22:16 | Com[Plex] | it wouldnt install for me |
| 07:22:38 | kolla | sometimes when I reboot, the email LED goes on and the zaurus locks up.. is that normal? |
| 07:22:53 | kergoth | kolla: um, no |
| 07:23:02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: read the help menu. |
| 07:23:13 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it tells you the status of the packages from teh symbol next to the package. |
| 07:23:14 | kolla | have to open it and press the reset button |
| 07:23:18 | comfrey | can anyone tellme if kismet works with the linksys wifi card? |
| 07:23:26 | kolla | no big deal, just wondered if it was a common problem |
| 07:23:27 | kergoth | kolla: dont full reset.. just soft reset. |
| 07:23:30 | kergoth | comfrey: yes |
| 07:23:39 | kolla | kergoth: which is which? |
| 07:23:40 | comfrey | i get errors :-( |
| 07:23:50 | Wembly | anyone know where to buy a cheap wifi ap + cf card? hehe |
| 07:24:05 | Wembly | aka ideally under $100 for wifi ap + cf card :) |
| 07:24:10 | kergoth | kolla: read your manual. soft reset is just flippping the battery switch to replace and back to normal |
| 07:24:18 | comfrey | i installed the wlan-ng pkg |
| 07:24:28 | kergoth | comfrey: what rom? |
| 07:24:35 | comfrey | OZ |
| 07:24:39 | comfrey | latest |
| 07:24:41 | kergoth | comfrey: do *NOT* install wlan-ng in OZ. period. |
| 07:24:41 | kolla | kergoth: well, that isnt enough for these sorts of hangs |
| 07:24:45 | kergoth | comfrey: remove it. |
| 07:24:50 | comfrey | ah |
| 07:24:52 | comfrey | ok |
| 07:25:07 | kergoth | comfrey: install the kismet 2.4.6 package from the OZ feed. |
| 07:25:11 | kergoth | kolla: then your Z is fucked. |
| 07:25:16 | kolla | kergoth: nice to know :) |
| 07:25:17 | Wembly | whats wrong with wlan-ng btw? |
| 07:25:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:25:27 | Wembly | i mean whats it do wrong? |
| 07:25:30 | kergoth | seriously, i've never seen it |
| 07:25:35 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, the status is irelevant. the problem is that when I try ti install konq, it says it needs qpebase |
| 07:25:38 | kolla | ok |
| 07:25:38 | kergoth | Wembly: bad api. |
| 07:25:38 | kergoth | Wembly: horrid scripts |
| 07:25:40 | kergoth | Wembly: etc. |
| 07:25:43 | Wembly | just that its icky and messes tons of stuff up? hehe |
| 07:25:49 | kergoth | Wembly: not full wireless extensions support |
| 07:25:54 | kergoth | Wembly: its a piece of shit. |
| 07:25:55 | scanline | kergoth: what directory should picogui themes and app config files go in... is /usr/share/picogui ok? |
| 07:26:02 | kolla | kergoth: the full reset doesnt seem to harm anything though |
| 07:26:02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: so? |
| 07:26:08 | Wembly | spiffy |
| 07:26:08 | comfrey | kergoth: why is wlan-ng on the OZ fed? |
| 07:26:09 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: tap the -force-depends buttono and there ya go |
| 07:26:13 | kergoth | scanline: thats fine |
| 07:26:16 | scanline | k |
| 07:26:18 | kergoth | comfrey: from when we used to use it. |
| 07:26:35 | kergoth | comfrey: I figured people who actually have a clue might want it. i didnt expect people who dont need it to install it |
| 07:26:35 | comfrey | ah, i c |
| 07:27:07 | kergoth | OZ uses wireless-tools for configuration. uses wireless extensions to configure the driver, which is the HostAP driver for prism2/2.5 cards |
| 07:27:12 | kergoth | works quite well |
| 07:27:19 | comfrey | kergoth: are you implying i have lost my clue? |
| 07:27:39 | MSpin | kergoth: oh yes |
| 07:27:41 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:27:44 | kolla | :) |
| 07:27:44 | kergoth | comfrey: I"m implying that you should gain an understanding of something before installing things randomly |
| 07:27:48 | Com[Plex] | that didnt work either |
| 07:28:20 | kolla | eh.. now my tabs are messed up again.. sigh |
| 07:28:20 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: did you upgrade your ipkg? i told you, konq wont go in without the new ipkg ... |
| 07:28:20 | comfrey | kergoth: working on that, thanks for helping :-) |
| 07:28:21 | kergoth | comfrey: np |
| 07:28:46 | kergoth | fyi, OZ specific issues should be dealt with in #openzaurus to avoid cluttering up the conversatiosn here too much :-) |
| 07:28:56 | scanline | keeps forgetting :) |
| 07:29:00 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, im copying apps from the feed site, copying them to CF and then insserting it into z |
| 07:29:02 | kergoth | too |
| 07:29:08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: okay.... |
| 07:29:14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: did you upgrade ipkg? |
| 07:29:21 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: the same question holds true |
| 07:29:35 | kolla | is there some way to "refresh" the icon tabs? |
| 07:29:42 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: wget ipkg from the feed, install it. it'll see its already installed and upgrade it |
| 07:29:44 | Com[Plex] | the answer is a resounding. I dunno |
| 07:29:49 | kergoth | kolla: there's a QCop call |
| 07:30:01 | kolla | aha |
| 07:30:02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: get the new ipkg from the feed and install it |
| 07:30:06 | Com[Plex] | what is "wget" |
| 07:30:12 | kergoth | kolla: course i'm half asleep so i dont remember what it is |
| 07:30:14 | | wget is probably pretty small anyhows ? |
| 07:30:14 | scanline | ibot: wget? |
| 07:30:19 | Com[Plex] | wait. could yuo repeat that? |
| 07:30:21 | Com[Plex] | jk |
| 07:30:28 | kolla | kergoth: no prob :) |
| 07:30:38 | Com[Plex] | you keep saying the same thing, I keep saying its not working. |
| 07:30:42 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: just go into IE and right click and click safe target as on the ipkg ipk |
| 07:30:42 | darienm|away | wget isa way to steal 4 gigabytes of mp3's off whardier's hard drive |
| 07:30:43 | | ...but wget is pretty small anyhows ?... |
| 07:30:43 | scanline | ibot: no, wget is a command line tool to download web sites or single files from http or ftp |
| 07:30:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 07:30:45 | Com[Plex] | I got an idea |
| 07:30:48 | | scanline: I forgot wget |
| 07:30:48 | scanline | ibot: forget wget |
| 07:30:48 | DaWorm | k i'm going home |
| 07:30:49 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:30:51 | DaWorm | its almost 5pm |
| 07:30:51 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: what isnt working? |
| 07:30:52 | | OK, scanline. |
| 07:30:52 | scanline | ibot: wget is a command line tool to download web sites or single files from http or ftp |
| 07:30:58 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: if you didnt install the new ipkg, konq wont install. |
| 07:30:59 | DaWorm | i'll see ya guys |
| 07:31:02 | Com[Plex] | im gonna dig out my nic and try this from the feed |
| 07:31:11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: if you didnt install the new ipkg, dont even bother with konq, it wont work. |
| 07:31:13 | kolla | wget is what you have to use to download files to the zaurus, since the browsers suck.. well, except links :) |
| 07:31:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:31:15 | kergoth | k |
| 07:31:36 | Com[Plex] | this is the konq file I have, konqueror_snapshot_20020311_arm.ipk |
| 07:31:41 | Com[Plex] | is that the new one or not? |
| 07:31:47 | Com[Plex] | if its not, then thats the only oen I can find |
| 07:31:57 | Com[Plex] | and I foudn it here, http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 07:32:07 | kergoth | thats fine |
| 07:32:09 | kergoth | you're not listening |
| 07:32:20 | kergoth | i dont care what version of konq you're installing |
| 07:32:20 | kergoth | you need the new IPKG, not the new IPK |
| 07:32:25 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:32:26 | comfrey | kergoth: how 'bout libpcap. needed? |
| 07:32:26 | kergoth | ipkg-version-blah.ipk |
| 07:32:29 | kergoth | get it, install it |
| 07:32:31 | Com[Plex] | ahh, well that makes a little more sense |
| 07:32:31 | kergoth | comfrey: yes |
| 07:32:32 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:32:59 | kolla | sheesh.. now the apps foled is full of useless empty files again.. where do they come from? |
| 07:33:04 | kolla | folder |
| 07:33:19 | kolla | fires up his cleaning script |
| 07:34:44 | Com[Plex] | ogh great. |
| 07:36:16 | kolla | remidns me I need to compile a proper find.. the busybox version doesnt exacly impress me :) |
| 07:36:27 | comfrey | ok, now i am getting an: "Unknown card type 'prism2_hostp'. Doing nothing |
| 07:36:58 | kergoth | comfrey: that should be fixed in the current package... 2.4.6-2.. are you on -2 or -1? |
| 07:40:07 | comfrey | kergoth: the latest beta 2.9.4 and package manager says v1 |
| 07:40:47 | Com[Plex] | uh, I think the ipkg manager just crashed |
| 07:40:52 | comfrey | oh kernel? hold on |
| 07:41:00 | Com[Plex] | when I press and hold the documents category it closes |
| 07:41:45 | comfrey | 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix |
| 07:42:18 | NeoTron | RocketElite ready for release tomorrow! |
| 07:42:21 | NeoTron | is away: sleepo |
| 07:42:58 | kergoth | comfrey: no not kernel.. kismet.. its v1? okay, lemme check the feed.. |
| 07:45:20 | Com[Plex] | what do I do to enter the linux console when booting in opie? <when do I hit /?> ? |
| 07:45:37 | kolla | aha.. duh |
| 07:45:46 | kolla | upgrading busybox is dangerous |
| 07:45:54 | kolla | it whiped out all my self compiled binaries |
| 07:46:01 | kolla | *shrug* |
| 07:46:08 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:46:21 | Com[Plex] | no games tab. I guess I have to create that too huh? |
| 07:46:36 | kolla | sobs |
| 07:46:55 | kolla | have to start from scratch then.. starting with sed |
| 07:48:50 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: no |
| 07:48:56 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you install a game, the game tab appears |
| 07:49:15 | Com[Plex] | uh. I tried the "task" things.. |
| 07:49:47 | Com[Plex] | what do those do? go get the files from the feed? <wich I am not connected to> |
| 07:50:21 | kolla | consider tossing out busybox entirely.. |
| 07:52:29 | Com[Plex] | uh... |
| 07:52:40 | Com[Plex] | wheres the um.. vnc server for this? |
| 07:52:46 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: task- are just virtual packages. they install other packages |
| 07:53:00 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: grab fbvncserver that ljp just altered to maek it work with OZ |
| 07:53:10 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its in the Dev section of http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 07:53:31 | Com[Plex] | ahh. ok thanks |
| 07:54:08 | comfrey | wonders 'bout his kismet version (doesn't look like v2) |
| 07:54:28 | Com[Plex] | uh.. dev section.. |
| 07:55:31 | Com[Plex] | this is all ipaq shit |
| 07:56:19 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: opie is opie. |
| 07:56:46 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: heres the url you need, i had the site wrong: http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/ |
| 07:56:58 | Com[Plex] | ahh. was just getting to that |
| 07:57:32 | gurok | fyi.. got to the bottom of an odd problem. got new Zaurus 5500 ( rom 2.35 ). Installed gcc tools as per instructions from sourceforge. Installation stopped intellisync file transfer working, as soon as it was removed all was well again ! |
| 07:58:16 | kolla | thinks it's pretty lame that you need sed to build sed |
| 07:58:24 | comfrey | kergoth: any word on a working kismet package? |
| 07:58:50 | kergoth | comfrey: kismet works. |
| 07:58:57 | kergoth | comfrey: but theres something with the feed, let me update it |
| 07:59:49 | kergoth | kergoth@usw-pr-shell1:/home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/feeds/3.0$ ls kismet* |
| 07:59:51 | kergoth | kismet_2.4.6-2_arm.ipk |
| 08:00:34 | Com[Plex] | woops |
| 08:00:43 | MSpin | kergoth: that has the fixes for tr? |
| 08:01:40 | MSpin | or was that an update to busybox? |
| 08:02:27 | kergoth | MSpin: just replaces :space: with a space and a tab in the block, which shoudl be sufficient for now |
| 08:02:36 | kergoth | MSpin: in theory... not like i tested it or anything |
| 08:02:39 | kergoth | MSpin: hehe |
| 08:02:54 | MSpin | hehe |
| 08:03:06 | MSpin | does BB include a version of diff? |
| 08:03:15 | MSpin | err..*can* it? |
| 08:04:23 | kergoth | MSpin: its not in it now.. we could add it.. |
| 08:04:26 | MSpin | when ipkg prompts for to overwrite an existing file, it'd be nice for the D key to work |
| 08:05:17 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 08:06:36 | imm | how can i make random numbers with qt ? |
| 08:06:46 | MSpin | in code? |
| 08:06:53 | MSpin | rand(); |
| 08:07:05 | kergoth | course there isnt shit for entropy on the Z |
| 08:07:14 | kergoth | so it probably wont be very random, but itll work |
| 08:07:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:07:42 | imm | kergoth: no, not very random :) |
| 08:07:58 | imm | kde has a nice random generator |
| 08:08:04 | Com[Plex] | if OZ writes to the flash rom, what does a hard reset do to it? |
| 08:08:23 | Wembly | nothing |
| 08:08:28 | Wembly | flashrom is just that |
| 08:08:43 | MSpin | kergoth: we should add touch screen actions to the entropy pool:) |
| 08:09:12 | Wembly | mspin: add the user calibration info for the touchscreen |
| 08:09:31 | Wembly | mspin: if you can get it that is |
| 08:11:27 | MSpin | I was just thinking letting TS events churn the entropy pool...although I'd imagine interrupts already do |
| 08:12:27 | kergoth | MSpin: yes, they should. i dont think they do atm |
| 08:12:27 | Wembly | mspin: raw ir info? |
| 08:13:02 | kergoth | MSpin: on a device like this, where its less of a security concern, we should have pcmcia interrupts do it as well |
| 08:13:03 | MSpin | yeah |
| 08:13:20 | MSpin | Wembly: that's likely to be fairly organized |
| 08:13:45 | Wembly | mspin: i mean like.. just raw ir |
| 08:14:02 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 08:14:10 | kergoth | Wembly: the key isnt getting a lot of events, its getting events with no pattern |
| 08:14:22 | kergoth | wow, k3b is pretty sweet |
| 08:14:24 | kergoth | ditches xcdroast |
| 08:14:50 | Wembly | ideally if you could detect the strength of ir like light by the ir reciver... |
| 08:14:57 | Wembly | or what about the mic? |
| 08:14:58 | MSpin | Wembly: like from the sun andshit? I don't think you can get that data |
| 08:15:03 | MSpin | what mic?:) |
| 08:15:14 | Wembly | mspin: yea |
| 08:15:21 | Wembly | mspin: the one that might be connected :) |
| 08:15:37 | MSpin | that would rock |
| 08:15:49 | Wembly | mspin: what would? |
| 08:15:50 | MSpin | every so often pull some samples from the mic... |
| 08:16:32 | Com[Plex] | hey uh, is he ghuy who made ktrove here? |
| 08:16:43 | Com[Plex] | guy |
| 08:17:22 | Wembly | mspin: couldnt you also grab data on the screen like a pixel? |
| 08:17:42 | Wembly | or all the pixels |
| 08:17:47 | Wembly | tho thatd probly suck |
| 08:18:03 | Wembly | battery level? |
| 08:18:15 | kergoth | Wembly: an attacker could then display a certain thing to the framebuffer to reproduce a certain state of the entropy pool. thatd be bad. |
| 08:18:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:18:55 | Wembly | kergoth: well im more thinking of an application would sit there and display a intro screen while generating a pool of random #'s or something |
| 08:19:10 | Com[Plex] | \what is the entropy pool? |
| 08:19:15 | kergoth | MSpin: ? |
| 08:19:19 | Wembly | *dosnt know how the pool works that much* |
| 08:19:21 | kergoth | er |
| 08:19:24 | kergoth | Wembly: ? |
| 08:19:31 | kergoth | needs caffeine or alcohol or both |
| 08:19:50 | MSpin | hehe |
| 08:20:08 | kergoth | wtf am i doing up for gods sake |
| 08:20:10 | MSpin | yay! let's take a stimulant and a depressant at the same time:) |
| 08:20:15 | kergoth | i should have been asleep 4 hours ago |
| 08:20:20 | kergoth | MSpin: hehe. conflict, fun |
| 08:20:29 | kergoth | oh fuck sleep |
| 08:20:40 | kergoth | its friday, not like i need to be fully conscious anyway |
| 08:21:29 | MSpin | hehe |
| 08:21:37 | MSpin | I should prolyl go to bed though |
| 08:21:45 | MSpin | I need to start getting up before 11 |
| 08:24:02 | comfrey | kismet is displaying some bizzare behavior |
| 08:24:02 | kergoth | oo the new kde downloader util is nifty |
| 08:24:22 | kergoth | downloads from konq go into the download util that has a download queue, the abilityi to rearrange downloads, set timed downloads, etc |
| 08:25:00 | MSpin | yeah...galeon has that |
| 08:25:13 | MSpin | I need to log out and log back in to get all the latest KE shiznat |
| 08:25:29 | kergoth | yeah its nice seeing konq get it though |
| 08:25:31 | Bala | kget? |
| 08:25:32 | kergoth | konq with tabs is just cool :-) |
| 08:25:34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 08:25:44 | comfrey | i still get the "unknown Card type 'prism2_hostp'. Doing nothing" error on a kismet_unmonitor |
| 08:25:50 | kergoth | i just built kde from cvs.. i was using 3.0.3, so hadnt seen some of this niftiness |
| 08:25:58 | kergoth | comfrey: are you using the -2 or the -1 package? |
| 08:26:07 | comfrey | -2 :-) |
| 08:26:07 | kergoth | comfrey: i told you, you have to be on the 2.4.6-2 kismet package |
| 08:26:09 | kergoth | okay good |
| 08:26:31 | kergoth | comfrey: then its a bug in the monitor and unmonitor scripts, and you'll have to wait until later today/tomorrow for me to test it and fix it |
| 08:26:33 | MSpin | mm...tabs |
| 08:26:53 | kergoth | MSpin: its like.. mozilla only it opens fast |
| 08:26:56 | kergoth | MSpin: ;-) |
| 08:27:04 | MSpin | kergoth: how true.... |
| 08:27:08 | kergoth | the keramik style is pretty |
| 08:27:12 | kergoth | i like it |
| 08:27:20 | comfrey | kergoth: ok no rush, please let me know if you need assistance testing etc |
| 08:27:47 | MSpin | does unmonitor have hte same tr bug? |
| 08:27:59 | kergoth | looks that way |
| 08:28:20 | MSpin | comfrey: you can jsut type 'iwpriv monitor wlan0 0' to get out of monitor mode forthe time being |
| 08:29:14 | comfrey | mspin good thanks, perhaps i can compare the monitor and unmonitor scripts and fix. |
| 08:29:20 | darienm|away | kergoth: I know you're tired, want to tinker with StatGrapher before I send it to the challenge team? |
| 08:29:47 | comfrey | is less available for OZ? |
| 08:29:58 | comfrey | i know more is... |
| 08:30:46 | kergoth | darienm|away: I would, but unfortunately my Z is sitting in a console in 2.5.30 atm, opie isnt running.. |
| 08:30:53 | kergoth | comfrey: if not, you can crosscompile it easy enough |
| 08:31:01 | darienm|away | K |
| 08:31:04 | comfrey | super |
| 08:31:45 | comfrey | will explore the wonders of crosscompiling and packaging soon. |
| 08:32:07 | darienm|away | kergoth: can you glance over a letter for me? I don't trust my eyes at this hour. |
| 08:32:30 | kergoth | darienm|away: certainly. send it over to kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 08:32:35 | darienm|away | its on the web |
| 08:32:40 | kergoth | darienm|away: where at? |
| 08:33:06 | darienm|away | http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/dev-challenge-letter.txt |
| 08:33:23 | darienm|away | it's not wrap-friendly, but you can copy-paste into a text editor |
| 08:33:24 | killefiz | kergoth: you have 2.5.30 running? nice |
| 08:34:14 | darienm|away | kergoth: basically I'm looking for glaring holes in my message. Of course you can't actually perform the steps listed at this time. |
| 08:34:21 | kergoth | killefiz: yeah, 2.5.30-rmk1-cl1 :-) |
| 08:34:30 | kergoth | darienm|away: certainly, i'm reading through it |
| 08:36:16 | MSpin | kergoth: I have to admit it's fun telling people what arm kernel you're running. |
| 08:36:20 | MSpin | all those patches.... |
| 08:36:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:38:27 | kergoth | darienm|away: nothing glaring, quite nice, straightforward, clear. |
| 08:39:00 | darienm|away | thanks, off it goes |
| 08:39:21 | Harlekin | did that mark guy get banned? |
| 08:39:38 | | it has been said that idiot list is MarkNovak |
| 08:39:38 | scanline | ibot: idiot list? |
| 08:39:49 | kergoth | Harlekin: yeah, kb'd |
| 08:39:52 | darienm|away | Harlekin: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/novak.htm |
| 08:40:26 | scanline | darienm|away: that's just... pathetic |
| 08:40:59 | scanline | "I dont care how technical your excuses are, it showed up as high rate" <-- LOL |
| 08:41:13 | darienm|away | crosses fingers...... |
| 08:41:17 | Harlekin | so who cracked him? |
| 08:41:26 | darienm|away | nobody cracked him. |
| 08:41:32 | Harlekin | why |
| 08:41:36 | Harlekin | was so easy |
| 08:41:38 | scanline | He's an overly paranoid person that doesn't understand TCP/IP |
| 08:41:39 | darienm|away | he got about a half-dozen separate portscans all at once |
| 08:41:56 | Harlekin | non stealth? |
| 08:41:59 | Harlekin | tsts |
| 08:42:05 | darienm|away | some stealth, some non |
| 08:42:46 | MSpin | ZA prolly...*sigh* |
| 08:42:52 | darienm|away | Wheeee!! No bounces. Our challenge app beta is officially submitted ! |
| 08:42:59 | Harlekin | what is it |
| 08:43:13 | darienm|away | http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/ |
| 08:43:30 | DrBoB | hmmmm...novak...wasn't that the guy who was in here last night trolling? |
| 08:43:40 | darienm|away | Under Projects see the 'ui sketches' |
| 08:43:58 | darienm | he's been in here for last 2 weeks trolling |
| 08:44:00 | Wembly | only one person on the list? impressive :) |
| 08:44:19 | darienm | sucking everybody dry in private chat for all kinds of 'stupid' information |
| 08:44:41 | Harlekin | darienm: looks nice |
| 08:44:48 | darienm | Harlekin, you have a Z? |
| 08:44:54 | Harlekin | darienm: no ipaqs |
| 08:45:15 | darienm | Harlekin: running OZ ? |
| 08:45:18 | Harlekin | no |
| 08:45:20 | Harlekin | familiar |
| 08:45:29 | darienm | why are you here? |
| 08:45:34 | Harlekin | is you grapher gnuplot compatible |
| 08:45:42 | Harlekin | darienm: because some people run my software |
| 08:45:47 | kergoth | darienm: he's a opie developer. |
| 08:45:49 | scanline | darienm: When he first showed up here I answered some silly question he had, then he /msg'ed me hounding me for exact details on how to set stuff up... he did it again a few more times |
| 08:45:53 | darienm | which part compatible? the data or the visual output? |
| 08:46:08 | darienm | scanline: same here, many many times |
| 08:46:18 | Bala | the key is to look as unitelligetn as possible |
| 08:46:22 | scanline | :) |
| 08:46:22 | Bala | then that never happens |
| 08:46:27 | Harlekin | darienm: data off cource |
| 08:46:29 | Harlekin | course |
| 08:46:30 | darienm | scanline: he's the human form of the west nile mosquito |
| 08:46:30 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 08:46:38 | scanline | puts on a dunce hat and starts dancing on the table |
| 08:46:40 | kergoth | darienm: lol |
| 08:46:45 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:46:45 | darienm | scanline: sucking, infecting each of one us over and over |
| 08:46:52 | Harlekin | darienm: besides csv |
| 08:47:06 | scanline | aww.. my touchscreen calibrator doesn't quite load |
| 08:47:13 | darienm | Harlekin: Our export formats will include (at release) CSV, tab-delimited and XML |
| 08:47:27 | darienm | Harlekin: Where can I read about the GNUplot format? I'd be happy to support it. |
| 08:47:36 | Harlekin | darienm: gnuplot homepage? |
| 08:47:41 | | Plotting package, output to X11, postscript, png, gif and others. URL: http://www.gnuplot.vt.edu/ |
| 08:47:41 | darienm | ibot gnuplot |
| 08:47:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:47:50 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 08:47:55 | Bala | woohoo.. heh.. *dances for joy* |
| 08:47:55 | darienm | zsibot search zsi for gnuplot |
| 08:47:56 | zsibot | No results were found searching ZSI for 'gnuplot'. |
| 08:47:58 | darienm | :( |
| 08:48:01 | Harlekin | darienm: also you have quite a dead patient there |
| 08:48:08 | darienm | Harlekin: that page is down |
| 08:48:17 | darienm | Harlekin: got another? |
| 08:48:30 | Harlekin | does fm: gnuplot |
| 08:48:32 | Bala | looks for someone to ^5 cause his program works.. |
| 08:48:42 | darienm | high-five's Bala |
| 08:48:45 | Bala | thanks |
| 08:48:48 | Bala | :) |
| 08:48:57 | darienm | Cuz my program works too, and I just submitted it to the challenge team |
| 08:49:04 | darienm | what's your program? |
| 08:49:05 | Harlekin | darienm: |
| 08:49:06 | Harlekin | arg |
| 08:49:10 | darienm | :) |
| 08:49:12 | Harlekin | 'ftp://ftp.ucc.ie/pub/gnuplot/' |
| 08:49:28 | Bala | well its still faaaaaaaaaaaaar from complete.. its an OO.o Impress viewer |
| 08:50:32 | Bala | http://torque.ath.cx/~ryanr/snapshot2.png |
| 08:50:53 | darienm | failed |
| 08:51:05 | scanline | w00t |
| 08:51:11 | scanline | touchscreen calibrator loads |
| 08:52:00 | Bala | what error you get darienm? |
| 08:52:13 | darienm | can't get to your server |
| 08:52:17 | Bala | hmm |
| 08:52:19 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21065.png |
| 08:53:15 | Bala | try http://142.165.70.131/~ryanr/snapshot2.png |
| 08:53:28 | darienm | also failed |
| 08:53:31 | darienm | doing traceroute |
| 08:53:33 | Bala | k |
| 08:53:51 | darienm | trace works |
| 08:54:03 | darienm | port 80 is closed |
| 08:54:14 | darienm | (to the public, it seems) |
| 08:54:36 | Bala | hmm |
| 08:54:42 | darienm | anybody else? |
| 08:54:58 | scanline | Anybody here know what file Qtopia keeps its touchscreen calibration in? |
| 08:55:08 | Bala | damn stupid isp.. they were swithcing network configs all week.. maybe they are blocking port 80 now? |
| 09:02:09 | Bala | http://geocities.com/rrusaw74/snapshot2.png ... heh.. this shoudl work :) |
| 09:02:26 | darienm | wow |
| 09:02:28 | George- | oh no! kergoth's got ops! |
| 09:02:29 | George- | argh! :) |
| 09:02:33 | George- | hey darienm |
| 09:02:37 | darienm | George-! |
| 09:02:45 | darienm | My challenge app was mailed. Wheee. |
| 09:02:46 | George- | lol, marknovak's still banned |
| 09:02:53 | George- | darienm: cool |
| 09:02:58 | George- | darienm: I mailed mine yesterday :) |
| 09:03:01 | Bala | did that one work darienm?? |
| 09:03:05 | darienm | yes, Bala |
| 09:03:17 | darienm | Its a portable presenter |
| 09:03:27 | Bala | ideally |
| 09:03:33 | George- | darienm: portable presenter? |
| 09:03:40 | darienm | http://geocities.com/rrusaw74/snapshot2.png |
| 09:03:49 | darienm | Bala's writing a program |
| 09:04:11 | George- | hah, why do we have invasion of ops now? |
| 09:04:14 | George- | ;) |
| 09:04:23 | George- | MarkNovak really stuffed up the ethics of this channel, heh |
| 09:04:38 | darienm | shhh, we don't want to drudge up the past, George- |
| 09:04:50 | George- | ok ok |
| 09:05:04 | George- | right, anyone who mentions that name from now on gets slapped by me! |
| 09:05:04 | George- | :) |
| 09:05:09 | George- | shuts up |
| 09:05:22 | Bala | the fonts dont match really well on 1x mag.. but if i render at a larger size they work much better |
| 09:06:30 | George- | Bala: You're working on OpenOffice.org presenter? |
| 09:06:41 | darienm | Harlekin: It seems GNUplot can read just about anything. |
| 09:06:51 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 09:06:53 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 09:06:56 | Harlekin | got the point |
| 09:06:57 | Bala | yeah.. i needed something to occupy my time when i got laid off :) |
| 09:06:57 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 09:07:02 | darienm | Harlekin: So supporting it, even with tab-delimited data, is practically done |
| 09:07:24 | George- | who votes my next project should be to port XChat to the Z? |
| 09:07:34 | kergoth | George-: it runs on the Z |
| 09:07:42 | kergoth | George-: in X... |
| 09:07:43 | George- | kergoth: but only on PicoGUI, right? |
| 09:07:43 | darienm | George-: I've seen it |
| 09:07:48 | kergoth | George-: or picogui |
| 09:07:50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 09:07:52 | George- | da, I meant Qtopia ;) |
| 09:08:21 | Harlekin | darienm: i ment more: my not a frontend to gnuplot |
| 09:08:34 | darienm | ?? |
| 09:08:47 | George- | does qtopia support aa text? |
| 09:08:55 | darienm | Harlekin: huh? |
| 09:08:57 | Harlekin | any good programmer here? |
| 09:09:05 | George- | Harlekin: me! |
| 09:09:10 | George- | ducks |
| 09:09:12 | Bala | not i... :) |
| 09:09:25 | Harlekin | i left the X out |
| 09:09:28 | Bala | looks at his code.. *shiver* |
| 09:09:28 | Harlekin | any good X programmer here? |
| 09:09:43 | Bala | i know a little xlib/motif |
| 09:09:44 | Bala | ? |
| 09:09:45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 09:09:47 | kergoth | aktion sucks |
| 09:09:57 | Bala | correct kergoth |
| 09:09:59 | George- | kergoth: heh, when did you work that out? |
| 09:10:17 | George- | Harlekin: I have a book on Xlib |
| 09:10:23 | darienm | must.... go.. home.... get... 90.. minutes.. of ... sleep....... |
| 09:10:28 | George- | darienm: lol |
| 09:10:45 | darienm | kergoth and I both should have left 5+ hours ago |
| 09:10:51 | Harlekin | hmmm |
| 09:11:11 | Bala | i should too.. i can work on the bullets tomorrow |
| 09:11:37 | George- | yeh, kergoth, what are you doing up? :) |
| 09:11:39 | darienm | I know I've been in the office too long when I hear the White Hen opening up next door. |
| 09:11:47 | George- | operator status has got to your head? ;) |
| 09:11:52 | MSpin | Bala: that's sweet:) |
| 09:11:52 | kergoth | George-: well, see i was up till 3 or so |
| 09:12:00 | kergoth | George-: realized that i had to get up in 4 hours |
| 09:12:00 | Bala | what is? |
| 09:12:05 | kergoth | George-: and said ah fuck it, its not worth it |
| 09:12:09 | kergoth | George-: so i stayed up |
| 09:12:09 | George- | LOL |
| 09:12:24 | George- | haha |
| 09:12:34 | George- | I suppose you're close to the coffee machine? :) |
| 09:12:45 | George- | "I....need....coffeee!!!!!" |
| 09:12:59 | George- | that's it |
| 09:13:03 | George- | I'm installing X on OS X |
| 09:13:03 | darienm | George-, at 14 I don't think you drink much coffee. |
| 09:13:09 | George- | darienm: I drink none |
| 09:13:17 | darienm | George-: I run X on OS X -- Its sweet. |
| 09:13:20 | George- | darienm: I'm powered by lemonade :) |
| 09:13:22 | darienm | George- XDarwin |
| 09:13:25 | George- | yeh |
| 09:13:30 | darienm | George- use it all the time |
| 09:13:32 | George- | I've got a download of 4.2.0 somewhere |
| 09:13:42 | MSpin | Bala: the presenter:) |
| 09:14:18 | Bala | MSpin: thanks..:) its still a long ways from done.. i'll have to formally write up a todo list one of these days |
| 09:14:37 | darienm | heh. he could call it "Bala Presenter" |
| 09:15:02 | Bala | theres several features i cant get to work.. and some i dont have the knowledge to attempt |
| 09:15:19 | darienm | Bala: don't write a todo list! Set a date about 2 weeks from now and have it tattooed to your forearms. |
| 09:15:28 | Bala | hmm |
| 09:15:33 | darienm | Bala: That's called "INCENTIVE" |
| 09:15:38 | Bala | no.. i'll write it down :) |
| 09:15:46 | Bala | in the TODO file :) |
| 09:16:01 | George- | turfs thru 200+ CDs |
| 09:16:13 | darienm | marvles that StatGrapher was conceived, planned, and developed in under 4 weeks. |
| 09:16:18 | Bala | has mesa been ported yet?? heh. |
| 09:17:02 | Bala | darienm: thats about as long as i've been at this one |
| 09:17:24 | darienm | Bala: was it orignally for the challenge? |
| 09:17:30 | darienm | Bala: is it for the challenge? |
| 09:17:33 | Bala | no.. i didnt even know about that |
| 09:17:53 | Bala | i was just bored after about 2 weeks of unemployment :) |
| 09:17:56 | comfrey | is away: bedtime |
| 09:18:34 | George- | ooh. and OS/2 Warp 3 CD ;) |
| 09:20:00 | Bala | well im off to bed.. 4:30 is about as late is la femme lets me stay up :) |
| 09:23:05 | George- | hah, I have to go to bed at 11pm ;) |
| 09:23:16 | MSpin | now if only that presenter will work with that VGA CF card |
| 09:23:30 | kergoth | hmm |
| 09:23:36 | kergoth | i shouldve done something useful being up late |
| 09:23:45 | kergoth | i mean, this was perfectly good time to do something worthwhile |
| 09:23:53 | kergoth | but oh well |
| 09:24:02 | George- | kergoth: idle... ;) |
| 09:24:08 | kergoth | basically |
| 09:24:13 | kergoth | and playing with kde from cvs |
| 09:24:32 | kergoth | loving keramik style and crystal icons |
| 09:24:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:24:36 | George- | hah |
| 09:24:40 | George- | which CVS version? |
| 09:24:41 | George- | HEAD? |
| 09:24:45 | kergoth | yeah head |
| 09:24:51 | George- | coo. |
| 09:24:56 | George- | I haven't ran head for _ages_ |
| 09:25:06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 09:25:06 | MSpin | kergoth: sometimes you jsut need to play and relax |
| 09:25:08 | kergoth | why not |
| 09:25:10 | kergoth | MSpin: true that |
| 09:25:33 | kergoth | noatun segfaulted |
| 09:25:39 | kergoth | okay, yeah, i'll stick to xmms |
| 09:26:21 | MSpin | yeah, xmms is usually pretty solid |
| 09:26:24 | George- | noatun sucks |
| 09:26:31 | George- | I don't like it |
| 09:26:34 | George- | but I use it :) |
| 09:26:35 | MSpin | although my gentoo build of it segfaults every now and then |
| 09:26:43 | kergoth | i hate xmms' shitty menus |
| 09:26:45 | kergoth | and stuff |
| 09:26:52 | George- | Noatun's ui is nice |
| 09:27:07 | kergoth | George-: i'm used to winamp. noatun seems.. not comfortable |
| 09:27:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:27:19 | George- | kergoth: argh! WinAmp! :) |
| 09:27:25 | kergoth | :-) |
| 09:27:29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 09:27:34 | George- | you _use_ windoze? lol |
| 09:27:45 | kergoth | this box was XP before i swtiched it back to debian |
| 09:27:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:28:39 | George- | lol |
| 09:28:44 | MSpin | good choice |
| 09:28:46 | George- | I might run Debian on this box |
| 09:28:50 | George- | when i get ADSL |
| 09:29:00 | George- | but on 56k, debian is useless |
| 09:29:07 | MSpin | whispers gentoo in the background |
| 09:29:08 | kergoth | no |
| 09:29:20 | kergoth | George-: you can install from cds :-) |
| 09:30:03 | George- | kergoth: hah' |
| 09:30:09 | George- | kergoth: and where do I get the CDs from? eh? |
| 09:30:11 | George- | :) |
| 09:30:22 | kergoth | point taken |
| 09:30:33 | kergoth | egh |
| 09:30:41 | George- | (that aren't debian potato?) |
| 09:30:44 | kergoth | why is it when i skin noatun the playlist still looks lke crap? |
| 09:30:55 | George- | woody is like, already out of date :) |
| 09:30:56 | kergoth | George-: woody is released. woody cds can be obtained |
| 09:30:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:31:09 | George- | If I were to run Debian, I'd run Sarge |
| 09:31:12 | George- | No argument ;) |
| 09:31:18 | kergoth | i'm on sid |
| 09:31:23 | George- | arse! :) |
| 09:31:23 | kergoth | i'm a fan of unstable |
| 09:31:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:31:35 | George- | ugh |
| 09:31:41 | George- | where does XDarwin install tO!?!?! |
| 09:32:07 | kergoth | gah noatun cant play vorbis files? |
| 09:32:19 | kergoth | wheres that plugin damnit |
| 09:32:32 | George- | ogg or vorbis? |
| 09:32:54 | kergoth | ogg vorbis :-) |
| 09:32:56 | erikd | ahhh |
| 09:33:00 | erikd | lans are fun |
| 09:33:11 | George- | kergoth: it should do |
| 09:33:27 | George- | kergoth: KDE has standardized on ogg for all it's internal audio, instead of .wav or .mp3 |
| 09:33:41 | kergoth | hm |
| 09:34:04 | MSpin | woohoo! |
| 09:34:16 | kergoth | MSpin: ? |
| 09:34:28 | MSpin | any word on opieplayer playing oggvorbis? |
| 09:34:36 | MSpin | kergoth: kde going to ogg |
| 09:34:56 | kergoth | MSpin: op2 does. can handle streaming as well. and divx. and anything else xine can handle |
| 09:35:15 | Wembly | kergoth: op2 use libxine? |
| 09:35:30 | Wembly | dvd! |
| 09:35:36 | kergoth | yes, op2 uses xine |
| 09:35:38 | MSpin | ahh, sweet |
| 09:35:41 | Wembly | spiffs |
| 09:35:46 | Wembly | dvd with ac3 audio! |
| 09:35:52 | George- | wahoo |
| 09:35:54 | George- | twm on OS X :) |
| 09:35:55 | George- | lol |
| 09:35:56 | MSpin | how heavy is libxine? |
| 09:43:38 | George- | sobs |
| 09:43:39 | | George-: huh? |
| 09:43:39 | George- | ibot welcome |
| 09:43:39 | MSpin | opn/frenode seems to be splitting a lot lately |
| 09:43:42 | Wembly | happy? |
| 09:43:42 | Wembly | pfft |
| 09:43:42 | | It's great to be back! |
| 09:43:42 | George- | ibot wb! |
| 09:43:42 | | It's great to be back! |
| 09:43:42 | scanline | ibot: welcome back |
| 09:43:42 | Wembly | efnet is better |
| 09:43:42 | George- | :((( |
| 09:43:43 | scanline | servers seem to not be reconnected yet... |
| 09:43:44 | scanline | PicoBot split off too, and it's not responding |
| 09:43:46 | George- | yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:43:47 | scanline | ah.. there |
| 09:43:54 | George- | hugs ibot |
| 09:44:15 | Wembly | scanline: give it a sec or two cus its being flooded with joins and junk like that |
| 09:44:23 | Wembly | the server that its on that is |
| 09:44:42 | scanline | nods |
| 09:47:24 | | i guess oz feed is see oz3 feed |
| 09:47:24 | scanline | ibot: oz feed? |
| 09:47:28 | | oz3 feed is, like, at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 09:47:28 | scanline | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 09:48:49 | Wembly | im rebooting perhaps bbl |
| 09:54:35 | KallDrexx | What brand digipower works with the zaurus? |
| 09:56:38 | George- | bleh |
| 09:56:42 | George- | back |
| 09:56:58 | George- | Does winxp embedded run on the Z? |
| 09:57:03 | George- | ducks |
| 09:59:14 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 09:59:40 | George- | But but but... WinXP Embedded is better than Linux! |
| 09:59:53 | George- | That's what Microsoft keep hammering down my ear anyway! |
| 09:59:56 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 10:00:00 | George- | And Microsoft knows ALL! |
| 10:00:08 | George- | hey chouimat|coffee |
| 10:00:22 | chouimat|coffee | hi George- |
| 10:00:36 | George- | chouimat|coffee: submitted yet? |
| 10:01:46 | George- | yo seth |
| 10:01:52 | seth | hi... |
| 10:02:04 | George- | hi....? |
| 10:02:12 | seth | morning... |
| 10:02:38 | George- | seth: do you know if winxp embedded runs on the Z? |
| 10:03:36 | seth | no idea... guess it runs on any sa1100 plattforms... |
| 10:03:45 | seth | with minor adaptations. |
| 10:03:55 | seth | why? |
| 10:03:59 | kolla | ye.. woo.. I want windows |
| 10:04:04 | kolla | jumps up and down |
| 10:04:17 | George- | seth: lol, you took that seriously |
| 10:05:34 | seth | ms had something liek winnt embedded in preparation. but for professional use like automotive and things like that... |
| 10:06:00 | KallDrexx | hey chouimat|coffee |
| 10:06:21 | chouimat|coffee | George-: not yet. |
| 10:06:27 | chouimat|coffee | hi KallDrexx |
| 10:06:30 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: man I submitted and guess what happened |
| 10:06:46 | KallDrexx | my .tar got currupt =( so I have to wait another day to see if I get my zaurus |
| 10:06:55 | KallDrexx | the suspense is kiling me :) |
| 10:07:12 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: which app? |
| 10:07:16 | darienm | KallDrexx: Sorry to hear that. |
| 10:07:21 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: my beta of RTS |
| 10:07:24 | KallDrexx | darienm: hey |
| 10:07:24 | kolla | sobs... |
| 10:07:31 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.10027.png <-- really tiny font |
| 10:07:31 | darienm | rts ? |
| 10:07:35 | chouimat|coffee | George-: get to bed early last night (9h30 EST) |
| 10:07:36 | KallDrexx | real time strategy |
| 10:07:48 | darienm | ah |
| 10:07:58 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: I'm installing RH7.3 here :( |
| 10:08:04 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: eww =( |
| 10:08:28 | George- | chouimat|coffee: I'm installing XFree86 on OS X here |
| 10:08:50 | KallDrexx | so does anyone know what brand digipower works iwth the zaurus? |
| 10:08:54 | scanline | I'm installing freshly compiled ipks on my zaurus :P |
| 10:08:56 | George- | hey prpplague |
| 10:09:01 | scanline | hiya prpplague |
| 10:09:03 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: that the version they use at contest@ so. I want them to be able to run the nessus server I must bundle with my app |
| 10:09:06 | prpplague | morning guys |
| 10:09:08 | George- | scanline: lightly toasted, i hope |
| 10:09:22 | chouimat|coffee | George-: good with grammar? |
| 10:09:27 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: oh |
| 10:09:33 | George- | chouimat|coffee: should be |
| 10:09:43 | KallDrexx | mornin prpplague |
| 10:10:02 | prpplague | whats happening this morning? |
| 10:10:03 | scanline | George-: yeah, my SD card is a little warm |
| 10:10:03 | chouimat|coffee | George-: so I mail you a little readme later you can proof-reading it? |
| 10:10:04 | George- | 806KB done.... |
| 10:10:08 | George- | of 8.4MB |
| 10:10:09 | KallDrexx | prpplague: not much |
| 10:10:14 | George- | argh |
| 10:10:16 | scanline | prpplague: do you have a zaurus? |
| 10:10:18 | George- | scanline: ;) |
| 10:10:22 | darienm | prpplague: we're all lamenting over the challenge apps we recently submitted. |
| 10:10:22 | George- | chouimat|coffee: heh |
| 10:10:24 | prpplague | scanline: ha, got 4 |
| 10:10:34 | KallDrexx | anyone here have a digipower? |
| 10:10:34 | George- | chouimat|coffee: Go get someone who's been living a little longer than me :) |
| 10:10:38 | scanline | prpplague: I've almost got sort of working picogui ipks for OpenZaurus |
| 10:10:44 | chouimat|coffee | George-: hehe |
| 10:10:49 | George- | prpplague: you've got 4!??!?! |
| 10:11:01 | George- | chouimat|coffee: =P |
| 10:11:07 | George- | is lazy, and busy |
| 10:11:11 | KallDrexx | prpplague: give me an extra one :D |
| 10:11:29 | darienm | damn, I have to go home, shower, and pick up my GF at the train. |
| 10:11:38 | George- | prpplague: I'll swap my Win98 CD for one! :) |
| 10:11:48 | darienm | besides, when the folks start coming into work they'll wonder why I have the same clothes on as yesterday |
| 10:11:50 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 10:11:57 | George- | LOL |
| 10:12:18 | scanline | heh.. like half the screenshots on scap are ones I took... |
| 10:12:32 | chouimat|coffee | darienm: work at home, so you don't need to wear anything. |
| 10:12:46 | chouimat|coffee | loves to work naked in from his computer |
| 10:12:49 | George- | chouimat|coffee: you're sick! |
| 10:12:57 | KallDrexx | George-: why? feels nice |
| 10:12:58 | darienm | chouimat|coffee: I used to do that, but when the 6 employees came over in the morning they'd wake me up |
| 10:13:07 | George- | KallDrexx: /!?!? |
| 10:13:25 | George- | * chouimat|coffee loves to work naked in from his computer <--- You sick, sick man |
| 10:13:39 | scanline | heh, what's sick about being naked? |
| 10:13:44 | scanline | >:) |
| 10:13:53 | George- | ugh |
| 10:13:58 | KallDrexx | raise your hand if your NOT naked right now =P |
| 10:14:09 | George- | raises his hand |
| 10:14:15 | smee|w | just george then :) |
| 10:14:20 | KallDrexx | haha |
| 10:14:25 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: hehe |
| 10:14:27 | George- | hrmm |
| 10:14:29 | scanline | George-: get with the program, start stripping! |
| 10:14:33 | scanline | arm-linux-strip George- |
| 10:14:39 | smee|w | hehe |
| 10:14:43 | George- | erm |
| 10:14:48 | George- | wtf? |
| 10:14:52 | scanline | arm-linux-strip --neked George- |
| 10:14:54 | George- | mv scanline /dev/null |
| 10:14:55 | KallDrexx | anyone else here go to sleep fully clothed and wake up naked? |
| 10:14:56 | scanline | arm-linux-strip --really-neked George- |
| 10:14:58 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: George- still lives with his mother so ... |
| 10:15:13 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: heh so do I but then again, she's asleep :D |
| 10:15:20 | George- | you guys are sick |
| 10:15:36 | KallDrexx | thinks we're scaring George- |
| 10:15:38 | scanline | echo of paranoia >> George- |
| 10:15:40 | kolla | buhu.. |
| 10:15:44 | smee|w | ooh lunch |
| 10:15:47 | KallDrexx | ok so does nayone here have a digipower? |
| 10:15:51 | George- | I must admit I'm normally in pyjamas in front of the computer until like, 4pm ;) |
| 10:15:57 | George- | is lazy |
| 10:16:01 | scanline | I need to pack to go to college.. but these ipks are close to done! |
| 10:16:04 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: don't anymore for the last 10 yrs got a wife for 5 yrs and the last 2 1/2 yrs I'm alone |
| 10:16:21 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: that sucks |
| 10:16:27 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: yup |
| 10:16:39 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: hehe at first I thought you were answering my digipower aquestion. had to read it a few times :D |
| 10:16:50 | prpplague | KallDrexx: only if you are willing to do dev work using fltk, no qt |
| 10:16:58 | George- | chouimat|coffee: know I know why you spend your time naked in front of the computer.... |
| 10:17:02 | KallDrexx | prpplague: huh? |
| 10:17:08 | George- | chouimat|coffee: you deprived disgusting man! |
| 10:17:20 | George- | prpplague: hah |
| 10:17:25 | scanline | George-: and you have a wife I suppose? |
| 10:17:33 | George- | scanline: at 14? |
| 10:17:39 | scanline | now look who's deprived :P |
| 10:17:49 | George- | wtF?!?! |
| 10:17:50 | scanline | is just giving George- a hard time.. he's only 18 |
| 10:17:55 | George- | my computers are enough for me :) |
| 10:17:58 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 10:18:09 | George- | bombs scanline |
| 10:18:13 | scanline | ow, that hurt |
| 10:18:23 | scanline | nukes George- a little |
| 10:18:33 | KallDrexx | still wonders if anyone here uses digipower |
| 10:18:45 | scanline | KallDrexx: somebody did, I dunno who |
| 10:18:50 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 10:18:54 | KallDrexx | I know some people do |
| 10:18:59 | KallDrexx | cloud does but I don't see him here |
| 10:19:09 | KallDrexx | I wanna know what type to get,s ince it's for cameras |
| 10:19:19 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: I'm currently living with Bob (my cat) and I'm happy :) |
| 10:19:29 | scanline | he was here last night |
| 10:19:32 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: at least your happy :) |
| 10:19:42 | KallDrexx | scanline: yeah he's here a lot |
| 10:19:48 | KallDrexx | just thought about the digipower last night |
| 10:20:06 | KallDrexx | I think i'm going to get digipower + 256mb CF before the wireless stuff |
| 10:20:15 | KallDrexx | I can have more fun with the CF |
| 10:20:26 | scanline | but CF and wileless dont' work at the same time... so why bother with CF :) |
| 10:20:49 | KallDrexx | scanline: becasue I can put movies and mp3's and cool stuff on the CF |
| 10:20:52 | KallDrexx | to carry around with me |
| 10:20:58 | scanline | true |
| 10:21:02 | KallDrexx | =P |
| 10:21:06 | scanline | only 256MB worth though |
| 10:21:10 | KallDrexx | yeah but |
| 10:21:11 | George- | scanline: arse! I have no home left! |
| 10:21:15 | scanline | PDAs aren't that good for media stuff |
| 10:21:23 | KallDrexx | hwo big do you think a 2 hour movie reduced to the zaurus size is? |
| 10:21:25 | scanline | no hard disk |
| 10:21:35 | KallDrexx | tha'ts what the CF is for |
| 10:21:37 | scanline | KallDrexx: about 100MB |
| 10:21:45 | KallDrexx | scanline: exactly |
| 10:22:01 | KallDrexx | so while i'm in stupid classes |
| 10:22:04 | KallDrexx | I have something to do :D |
| 10:22:11 | scanline | ah.. so there's the difference |
| 10:22:16 | scanline | most of my classes have 802.11 :) |
| 10:22:23 | KallDrexx | we don't |
| 10:22:29 | KallDrexx | I doubt i'll get access at my school |
| 10:22:41 | KallDrexx | since its like 1/4th of a mile from other houses and such |
| 10:22:48 | KallDrexx | and the school doesn't do wireless |
| 10:23:07 | kolla | /usr/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 020001e4 |
| 10:23:09 | KallDrexx | stupid high school |
| 10:23:13 | kolla | what's all that about? |
| 10:23:14 | KallDrexx | waoh |
| 10:23:23 | KallDrexx | kolla: heh dunno |
| 10:23:33 | scanline | kolla: your toolchain's messed up? |
| 10:23:39 | scanline | kolla: compiling a kernel or app? |
| 10:23:42 | kolla | app |
| 10:23:49 | scanline | hrm... |
| 10:23:57 | scanline | it's like gcc isn't finding your crt0.o |
| 10:24:18 | kolla | it's the busybox update.. it ruined all my self compiled apps so now I have to recompile them :( |
| 10:24:42 | kolla | it's a pain in the ass |
| 10:24:49 | scanline | I find it a lot easier to write an OZ .mk for something than compile it by hand :) |
| 10:25:02 | kolla | what do you mean? |
| 10:25:08 | scanline | get OpenZaurus to compile it for you |
| 10:25:18 | KallDrexx | what's OpenZaurus? |
| 10:25:19 | scanline | but that's only useful if you have openzaurus CVS set up |
| 10:25:23 | | hmmm... openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 10:25:23 | scanline | ibot: openzaurus |
| 10:25:39 | kolla | scanline: aha.. explain how that works |
| 10:25:49 | kolla | or give url.. whatever :) |
| 10:25:57 | scanline | URL ^ |
| 10:26:30 | scanline | brb, going to wash some more clothes |
| 10:26:52 | kolla | cant say I immidiatly find out how to get someone else to compile my stuff |
| 10:27:52 | George- | 5.2MB of 8.4MB |
| 10:27:57 | George- | I hate 56k |
| 10:28:15 | KallDrexx | scanline: is it like a qtopai type thing? |
| 10:28:20 | KallDrexx | George-: haha |
| 10:28:22 | scanline | back |
| 10:28:44 | kolla | so explain this .mk thing |
| 10:28:48 | scanline | no... OpenZaurus is a replacement for the Sharp ROM, in CVS there's a build system that creates ipks from source packages |
| 10:28:53 | George- | takes 1/2 hour to download 8.4MB |
| 10:28:57 | George- | fucking stupid 56k |
| 10:29:10 | kolla | scanline: aha? |
| 10:30:23 | KallDrexx | sharp rom |
| 10:30:26 | KallDrexx | ? |
| 10:30:36 | scanline | never mind |
| 10:30:39 | George- | I'm stuck on the sharp ROM for the timebeing |
| 10:30:42 | KallDrexx | doesn't have his zaurus yet.. watiing for his app to be approved and shaprto send it |
| 10:30:43 | prpplague | scanline: i need picogui build for biz dude |
| 10:30:54 | scanline | prpplague: hmm? |
| 10:30:57 | scanline | prpplague: on what? |
| 10:31:02 | George- | KallDrexx: I think Sniper really liked my app :) |
| 10:31:05 | prpplague | scanline: x86 platform |
| 10:31:21 | kolla | hm.. I know I used to have a crt0.o earlier |
| 10:31:23 | scanline | prpplague: oh.. should compile fine. There's a quick tutorial on installing it on the Wiki |
| 10:31:43 | scanline | prpplague: what are you using it for? |
| 10:32:12 | KallDrexx | George-: sniper? |
| 10:32:14 | kolla | scanline: where do I find docs on how to use the CVS for creating ipkgs? |
| 10:32:27 | scanline | kolla: there are no docs yet |
| 10:32:35 | kolla | how does it work.. you just submit tarballs? :) |
| 10:32:46 | kolla | and out pops ipks? :) |
| 10:32:54 | kolla | sounds magical |
| 10:33:56 | prpplague | scanline: ya but i need some apps |
| 10:34:11 | prpplague | scanline: these pos terminals would have been great with picogui |
| 10:35:03 | George- | KallDrexx: the dude running the challenge |
| 10:35:17 | KallDrexx | ahh |
| 10:35:21 | KallDrexx | what app did you make? |
| 10:35:31 | George- | html editor |
| 10:39:11 | KallDrexx | easy app =P |
| 10:40:03 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: hehe =P the nessus client is heavy. lots of strings parsing :( |
| 10:40:12 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 10:40:14 | George- | yesss... 8.3MB out of 8.4MB done |
| 10:40:14 | KallDrexx | fun :) |
| 10:40:56 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: hopefully I will have a beta before 23h59 EST |
| 10:44:37 | George- | oh yay |
| 10:44:43 | George- | apt-get on OS X |
| 10:44:43 | George- | sweet |
| 10:47:03 | chouimat|coffee | wants php-qt |
| 10:50:52 | scanline | updates his zaurus driver |
| 10:53:32 | chouimat|coffee | ewww 8C this morning |
| 10:55:36 | tux_mike | where do you live? |
| 10:59:06 | chouimat|coffee | tux_mike: Quebec City |
| 11:00:01 | scanline | so today's the deadline for the contest? |
| 11:00:47 | George- | pours cold water down chouimat|coffee's back |
| 11:01:26 | tux_mike | chouimat: ok, you can complain. canada sure does get cold :) |
| 11:02:16 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: hehe |
| 11:02:30 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: get to work :D |
| 11:03:06 | chouimat|coffee | tux_mike: -P |
| 11:03:15 | chouimat|coffee | KallDrexx: bye :) |
| 11:03:22 | KallDrexx | chouimat|coffee: bye :) |
| 11:04:04 | chouimat|work | KallDrexx: I'm @ work :) |
| 11:04:17 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 11:04:28 | KallDrexx | chouimat|work: I mean get to worko nyour beta :D |
| 11:04:47 | chouimat|work | KallDrexx: oh :) |
| 11:05:05 | KallDrexx | heh i was eating bfast when you posted that you'd hopefully have it done before midnight :) |
| 11:05:15 | tux_mike | hey, it gets damn cold here too |
| 11:05:31 | KallDrexx | it's too hot here |
| 11:05:49 | chouimat|work | KallDrexx: hehe. I'm currently watching the news and IRC the same time |
| 11:05:55 | KallDrexx | ok gotta go to school |
| 11:05:57 | KallDrexx | bye guys |
| 11:05:59 | chouimat|work | pets hist ATI TV Wonder |
| 11:06:53 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 11:07:14 | tux_mike | should i set up an arm toolchain on my box, or read my D&D book, or do work... |
| 11:07:25 | tux_mike | well... definatly not the last option :) |
| 11:07:41 | chouimat|work | tux_mike: hehe |
| 11:08:03 | chouimat|work | tux_mike: you use D20 or the older rules? |
| 11:09:16 | tux_mike | i've never played D&D, i'm reading the 3rd ed sourcebook |
| 11:09:21 | chouimat|work | and his brothers are writing a RPG system |
| 11:09:38 | tux_mike | i've been a White Wolf and BattleTech person, mostly :) |
| 11:10:48 | tux_mike | well, take this piece of advice. don't let the game rules get in the way of the flow of the story. |
| 11:11:12 | ljp | I've known friends that played D&D... I thought they were weirdos :D |
| 11:11:17 | chouimat|work | tux_mike: no dice. we don't know if you going to use a probability chart or something simplier like the gamemaster like or don't like your move so he decide if you succeed or not :) |
| 11:11:29 | tux_mike | i.e. rule one with the whitewolf games: if there is a rule that interfers with the sory, you change it |
| 11:11:57 | tux_mike | chouimat: there still has to be some chance |
| 11:12:11 | tux_mike | ljp: hey now, there are many normal people who play RPGs |
| 11:12:30 | chouimat|work | tux_mike: maybe a combinaison of those two |
| 11:13:14 | ljp | rpg's? |
| 11:13:14 | tux_mike | but there are the types who give normal games a bad name. the ones who will tell you about their characters *shudder* |
| 11:13:20 | tux_mike | Role Playing Games |
| 11:13:41 | ljp | ahhh.. I've played role playing games....... with a woman :) |
| 11:14:04 | chouimat|work | ljp: hehe :) |
| 11:14:17 | tux_mike | hits ljp over the head |
| 11:14:20 | chouimat|work | ljp: is the game called Dominatrix |
| 11:15:02 | ljp | hehe no, it's usually "the hippie and the cop" ;) |
| 11:15:27 | chouimat|work | ljp: hehe :) |
| 11:17:28 | ljp | or "the secretary and the programmer" |
| 11:18:51 | [George] | wh00t? is this #RPG-Games? :) |
| 11:19:26 | tux_mike | iesh |
| 11:20:03 | [George] | ;) |
| 11:20:10 | George- | bleh |
| 11:21:48 | ljp | no, it's #you_better_start_doing_your_homework :D |
| 11:21:48 | chouimat|work | George-: You will find a girlriend sometime in the future and you will find that some "RPG" add some colors to well... we will explain that to you when you will be older |
| 11:22:06 | tux_mike | lol |
| 11:22:13 | kolla | scanline: hm.. where is crt0.o supposed to be? |
| 11:22:37 | chouimat|work | tux_mike: what? did I said something? |
| 11:22:40 | scanline | kolla: I forget |
| 11:23:00 | kolla | ok, I'll look on my laptop :) |
| 11:23:33 | tux_mike | usually forgets that we have some real young'ns in here :) |
| 11:23:38 | George- | chouimat|work: wtf? |
| 11:24:24 | chouimat|work | George-: you know the bees and the cabbages ;) |
| 11:24:55 | George- | chouimat|work: shut up |
| 11:24:55 | George- | ;) |
| 11:25:00 | chouimat|work | George-: hehehe |
| 11:25:49 | George- | chouimat|work: stop picking on me! |
| 11:25:53 | George- | chouimat|work: Just cos i'm 14... ;( |
| 11:27:48 | imm | chouimat|work: sent in ? |
| 11:28:53 | chouimat|work | imm: not yet |
| 11:29:11 | chouimat|work | imm: try http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 |
| 11:29:41 | imm | chouimat|work: no ogg yet |
| 11:29:55 | chouimat|work | imm: the site is working? |
| 11:30:09 | imm | chouimat|work: seems so |
| 11:30:26 | chouimat|work | imm: hehe my isp close all port 80 so .... :) |
| 11:30:58 | imm | chouimat|work: i did some enhancements on my prog but don't know if i should send them in |
| 11:31:04 | imm | chouimat|work: mine too |
| 11:31:46 | imm | chouimat|work: my upstreem is bad and my pc noisy so no server at home |
| 11:32:12 | chouimat|work | imm: 6 pc @ home :) |
| 11:32:36 | Wembly | ok |
| 11:32:38 | Wembly | that sucks |
| 11:32:41 | Wembly | err that sucked |
| 11:32:42 | Wembly | but hehe |
| 12:05:51 | Wembly | helloish? |
| 12:06:31 | chouimat|work | Wembly: ???? |
| 12:06:36 | Wembly | hihihihi |
| 12:10:08 | numatrix | morning all |
| 12:18:31 | tux_mike | yay for paday! |
| 12:18:40 | tux_mike | s/paday/payday |
| 12:19:23 | scan_z | hmm... |
| 12:19:30 | scan_z | still more bugs |
| 12:19:49 | scanline | doh.. segfaulted it |
| 12:21:31 | numatrix | nods at tux_mike |
| 12:29:23 | tux_mike | anyone know if linux can support cardbus USB adapters? |
| 12:29:44 | mark | wow, some ops :) |
| 12:30:04 | tux_mike | yah, we had some, erm, problems to take care of |
| 12:30:18 | mark | tux_mike: really? ouch |
| 12:30:24 | mark | tux_mike: gtk guys? :P |
| 12:31:34 | numatrix | mark: Worse, if you can believe it. ;-) |
| 12:32:01 | chouimat | re |
| 12:32:22 | mark | numatrix: hehe |
| 12:32:54 | numatrix | mark: Remember when someone had your nic and you had to kick him? Well, he got booted again for worse offenses. |
| 12:33:06 | mark | numatrix: markNovak? |
| 12:33:11 | tux_mike | mark: MarkNovak |
| 12:33:32 | mark | ah yeh |
| 12:33:33 | tux_mike | the guy with the maturity of a pre-teen |
| 12:34:32 | | darienm|away was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 50 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: Under Projects see the 'ui sketches' [Fri Aug 23 09:43:40 2002] |
| 12:34:32 | numatrix | ibot: seen darienm|away |
| 12:34:37 | tux_mike | is getting aggrivated with his connection droping constantly |
| 12:34:52 | | George-: sorry... |
| 12:34:52 | George- | ibot lgos |
| 12:34:54 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 12:34:54 | George- | ibot logs |
| 12:34:56 | numatrix | tux_mike: Maybe you're being hacked! ;-) |
| 12:35:08 | mark | tux_mike: heh |
| 12:36:05 | mark | there are no logs for yesterday |
| 12:36:25 | numatrix | That's pretty funny. I have a good idea why... |
| 12:36:30 | George- | mark: yes there are |
| 12:36:31 | tux_mike | numatrix: that's it, you're hacking me :) |
| 12:37:01 | mark | George-: oh yeh, my dates are con fused |
| 12:37:09 | George- | tux_mike: lol |
| 12:39:18 | tux_mike | really wants to find out if USB Cardbus adapters are supported |
| 12:41:02 | George- | <MarkNovak> my machine is more secure that fort knox <-- hahahaha |
| 12:41:22 | VerxHome | can anyone tell me if the $50 docking station for the Z comes with a power cable? It doesn't look like it does. :( |
| 12:42:21 | tux_mike | and he had VNC loaded |
| 12:43:09 | kolla | VerxHome: you're suppsed to use the same power cord as usual |
| 12:43:13 | kolla | it has a pass through |
| 12:43:17 | VerxHome | I know |
| 12:43:30 | kolla | oh.. the _$50_ one? |
| 12:43:36 | VerxHome | but for every OTHER PDA when you buy a docking station, it comes with a power adapter |
| 12:43:43 | kolla | dont know anying thabout it :) |
| 12:43:50 | VerxHome | it looks like Sharp sells just the cradle for $50 |
| 12:43:50 | VerxHome | :( |
| 12:44:08 | VerxHome | their frigging battery for the Z is $50 all by itself, and their battery charger is another $50 |
| 12:44:15 | bewmIES | nods |
| 12:44:17 | kolla | well, my palm didnt come with _any_ poweradapter :) |
| 12:44:17 | George- | wth? |
| 12:44:19 | George- | that's stupid |
| 12:44:20 | bewmIES | That does kinda suck. |
| 12:44:40 | VerxHome | kolla: Then you got a real low end palm |
| 12:44:46 | kolla | m105 |
| 12:44:47 | mark | tux_mike, numatrix: reading the logs. bloody hell.... who the hell is that guy? |
| 12:44:47 | VerxHome | one that took off the shelf batteries |
| 12:44:49 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 12:44:55 | kolla | ofcourse.. what's the use in a high end palm? :) |
| 12:44:56 | VerxHome | the lowest end palm there is |
| 12:44:56 | VerxHome | :) |
| 12:45:06 | kolla | m100 |
| 12:45:08 | kolla | is lower |
| 12:45:12 | VerxHome | mark: A windows security expert. |
| 12:45:37 | VerxHome | he does windows security consulting in his spare time |
| 12:45:50 | VerxHome | darienm could get you a phone number if you want. |
| 12:45:59 | tux_mike | mark: some idiot who came in and annoy the crap out of everyone |
| 12:46:08 | mark | didn't someone say he worked for sharp? |
| 12:46:32 | VerxHome | heh |
| 12:46:34 | George- | mark: He's a Sun employee, thinks he knows more than kergoth about Solaris, blah blah blah |
| 12:46:35 | VerxHome | I don't think so |
| 12:46:52 | VerxHome | George-: I think it should be put another way |
| 12:46:54 | George- | mark: thinks that because Linux on PDAs is a niche market, that he knows everything, and that we know nothing |
| 12:46:57 | tux_mike | runs windows, loves flash |
| 12:46:57 | VerxHome | he CLAIMS to be a Sun employee |
| 12:47:06 | George- | VerxHome: ahh yes ;) |
| 12:47:07 | VerxHome | would be quite surprised if he actually is |
| 12:47:14 | VerxHome | could be wrong |
| 12:47:22 | VerxHome | but I would prefer to say he simply claims to work for Sun |
| 12:47:22 | George- | mark: lies about his server stuff |
| 12:47:29 | George- | mark: issues legal threats for anything |
| 12:47:41 | George- | mark: darien nmap'd his machine, was accused of "hacking" |
| 12:47:45 | tux_mike | groundless threats |
| 12:47:47 | killefiz | and best of all: is gone now |
| 12:47:55 | George- | mark: is now banned for eternity... |
| 12:47:56 | George- | :) |
| 12:48:00 | tux_mike | portscans are concidered legal by precidence |
| 12:48:06 | George- | tux_mike: Are they? |
| 12:48:09 | tux_mike | yes |
| 12:48:12 | George- | hrmm |
| 12:48:21 | George- | The stupidest bit was when Jason said he was going to a party |
| 12:48:26 | George- | I made the joke |
| 12:48:33 | mark | George-: yes I read it |
| 12:48:35 | George- | "The lets-all-hack-MarkNovak's-box party?" |
| 12:48:41 | tux_mike | it's like walking around a house looking to see if there are doors/windows open |
| 12:48:43 | George- | and he fuckin' accused me of threats |
| 12:48:45 | Wembly | ugh |
| 12:48:50 | Wembly | gezz you guys harp on things alot |
| 12:48:55 | tux_mike | doesn'tmean you are gonna do anything with that data |
| 12:49:06 | mark | Wembly: what else is there to do? :P{ |
| 12:49:07 | Wembly | its just irc |
| 12:49:12 | Wembly | mark: i dunno |
| 12:49:20 | tux_mike | often steath scans boxes to find out the os, what they are running, if they are filtering, etc |
| 12:49:31 | George- | tux_mike: lol, so he didn't pick you up? |
| 12:49:34 | Wembly | i need someone with oz that has the courage to try my hotplug package |
| 12:49:37 | tux_mike | nope |
| 12:49:45 | George- | tux_mike: haha |
| 12:49:46 | tux_mike | i did it a while ago though |
| 12:50:00 | tux_mike | his firewall prolly didn't detect the half open scan |
| 12:50:16 | George- | <MarkNovak> I payed 799.99 for XP pro |
| 12:50:17 | George- | ;) |
| 12:50:23 | VerxHome | has come to love flipping the cover of his Z down like Kirk did with the communicator |
| 12:50:33 | tux_mike | baka da yo. |
| 12:50:42 | Wembly | verxhome: i woulda thought that wouldnt be good for it |
| 12:50:45 | Wembly | perhaps if it had a spring |
| 12:50:48 | Wembly | or somesuch |
| 12:50:55 | VerxHome | wembly, seems fine |
| 12:51:07 | Wembly | the hole... loud capping sound dosnt really make me feel like doing it alot |
| 12:51:13 | VerxHome | oh |
| 12:51:17 | VerxHome | I have my finger there |
| 12:51:21 | VerxHome | I don't let it slap the Z |
| 12:51:22 | VerxHome | :) |
| 12:51:22 | Wembly | ahhh |
| 12:51:27 | Wembly | goodboy :) |
| 12:51:29 | VerxHome | but other than that one concession |
| 12:51:32 | VerxHome | it is just like Kirk |
| 12:51:33 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 12:51:41 | Wembly | just dont drop it :) |
| 12:51:48 | VerxHome | heh |
| 12:51:51 | VerxHome | N E V E R |
| 12:52:20 | VerxHome | so what is the best price/performance/power usage wireless CF card to get? |
| 12:52:54 | Wembly | verxhome: i dunno im wanting a a ap + cf card combo for under $100.. but thats not likely to happen hehe |
| 12:53:08 | Wembly | then i gotta figure out where im gonna comeup with that much money |
| 12:53:12 | VerxHome | no, I wouldn't think so |
| 12:53:20 | VerxHome | I thankfully have a base station at home |
| 12:53:24 | VerxHome | already |
| 12:53:31 | Wembly | lucky |
| 12:53:41 | Wembly | i guess i could pickup a wireless cf card |
| 12:53:52 | Wembly | and wander around the area looking for an ap to use :) |
| 12:53:59 | VerxHome | and at work, my notebook uses wired ethernet, has a free PCMCIA slot, and a work provided Pcmcia wireless card, so I can do wireless at work hopefully |
| 12:54:16 | Wembly | spiffy |
| 12:54:24 | Wembly | you have a ap at work too? |
| 12:54:27 | VerxHome | (work has wireless base stations all over, but has a proprietary ipsec that I can't use) |
| 12:54:31 | Wembly | or just an adhoc type network? |
| 12:54:36 | Wembly | oh |
| 12:54:36 | VerxHome | not from the Z anyway |
| 12:54:53 | Wembly | windows based? |
| 12:55:02 | VerxHome | well |
| 12:55:04 | VerxHome | actually |
| 12:55:07 | VerxHome | they support Linux |
| 12:55:17 | VerxHome | but the linux version of their client is binary only |
| 12:55:23 | Wembly | icky |
| 12:55:23 | VerxHome | and the company won't make an arm version |
| 12:55:53 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 12:56:03 | Wembly | im gonna get some sleep so i can have the rest of the day. |
| 12:56:13 | VerxHome | heh |
| 12:56:14 | VerxHome | see ya |
| 12:56:16 | VerxHome | sleep well |
| 12:56:42 | George- | benmeyer: hey |
| 12:56:45 | George- | benmeyer: did you get my app ? |
| 12:56:51 | benmeyer | hey there, actually at home |
| 12:56:57 | George- | oh |
| 12:56:58 | benmeyer | be at sharp in 20 |
| 12:57:03 | Wembly | benmeyer: im hunting for oz users that are very adventuous and wanta try my hotplug package that uses ifupdown insted of the usbd.func script for usb connectivity :) |
| 12:57:04 | benmeyer | late alarm clock |
| 12:57:06 | benmeyer | :_D |
| 12:57:10 | Wembly | benmeyer: suggestions? |
| 12:58:30 | Novas007 | i want to use my sharp as a wireless mic, broadcasting with icecast to the net |
| 12:58:35 | Novas007 | that would be a fun project |
| 12:58:57 | tux_mike | that'd be interesting |
| 12:59:14 | Wembly | very interesting |
| 12:59:28 | Wembly | could always use it as a wireless handcam type thing too |
| 12:59:33 | Novas007 | does the arm have floating point? |
| 12:59:42 | Wembly | tho dunno if that sharp camera just takes stills or if it can take images. |
| 12:59:44 | bewmIES | ooh, hospital, good idea |
| 12:59:49 | bewmIES | grr, wrong window |
| 12:59:49 | bewmIES | :) |
| 12:59:53 | Novas007 | lol |
| 13:00:17 | Wembly | herm... |
| 13:00:22 | Wembly | one problem with that tho.. |
| 13:01:09 | Wembly | wonders how much itd cost to buy a sharp i/o to usb cable that lets you use the keyboard |
| 13:01:32 | Novas007 | i just ssh in- that's easier :) |
| 13:01:37 | Wembly | pfft |
| 13:01:41 | Wembly | i dont wanta ssh in |
| 13:01:52 | Wembly | next your gonna tell me use fbvnc :P |
| 13:01:57 | Novas007 | lol |
| 13:02:15 | Novas007 | that's an interesting idea ;) |
| 13:02:44 | Novas007 | i don't think the geek factor of this will ever wear off |
| 13:02:51 | Novas007 | ssh'ing into a pda is just too cool |
| 13:02:55 | Wembly | i just want a nice little sharp i/o to usb cable that i can plug in and use my pda like well... a pda.. but if i want net connection ill just plug the cable in. |
| 13:06:31 | KGBudz | if i get the socket low power wifi card, where do i get drivers for it |
| 13:06:43 | tux_mike | is starting to able to advance in RocketElite |
| 13:07:07 | KGBudz | and is the socket card the best card? |
| 13:07:44 | bewmIES | I have the Linksys one |
| 13:07:47 | bewmIES | WCF-11 IIRC |
| 13:08:01 | bewmIES | It's pretty good, no complaints except range (but you can't expect really good range from a PDA) |
| 13:08:16 | KGBudz | really? |
| 13:08:20 | KGBudz | why not |
| 13:08:28 | bewmIES | power, smaller unit |
| 13:08:36 | KGBudz | o |
| 13:08:36 | el-jefe | sup -- im just checking out IRC using my Z |
| 13:08:46 | bewmIES | Don't get me wrong, I get good range, just slightly less then my DWL-650 in my notebook |
| 13:08:53 | KGBudz | ya |
| 13:09:04 | KGBudz | where did you get the linksys drivers? |
| 13:09:14 | bewmIES | They're on the ROM |
| 13:09:20 | KGBudz | nice |
| 13:09:22 | tboc | hi |
| 13:09:25 | bewmIES | From what I know newer Linksys cards require a newer ROM |
| 13:09:35 | KGBudz | o? |
| 13:09:37 | bewmIES | Since Linksys updated the firmware or something. I have an olderone and it's worked with every ROM I've used. |
| 13:09:39 | KGBudz | what version |
| 13:09:52 | bewmIES | This was about 6mos ago, so just use a recent ROM and you're good to go |
| 13:09:53 | KGBudz | like the newest rom sharp has released? |
| 13:09:59 | KGBudz | ok |
| 13:10:23 | tboc | is something wrong with the konqueror ipkg from the OZ feed? i can't install it to SD |
| 13:10:44 | bewmIES | yes, I use the SD ROM's |
| 13:11:50 | tux_mike | anyone else testing rocket elite? |
| 13:12:03 | KGBudz | bew, how is that linksys card on power consumption? |
| 13:12:31 | bewmIES | KG: Dunno, I'm almost always near an outlet |
| 13:12:35 | bewmIES | not bad I'd say. |
| 13:12:47 | bewmIES | Have you looked at the Power Usage page? |
| 13:12:55 | KGBudz | no |
| 13:13:11 | bewmIES | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?PowerDrain |
| 13:13:19 | bewmIES | That should help give you some perspective. |
| 13:13:46 | ljp_work | whats new in the zaurus world? |
| 13:14:44 | KGBudz | does anyone used the socket low power wifi card? |
| 13:15:33 | tboc | hmm, perhaps someone can help me with the following: "Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") pkg_run_script: `chroot (null); chdir /; ; /tmp/ipkg-iuvbs/konqueror-Y7NUIf/preinst install; ' failes: No such file or directory. |
| 13:15:43 | tboc | when i try to install konqueror |
| 13:16:56 | JasonNJ | kg: yep I use it. |
| 13:17:06 | KGBudz | jason, is it good? |
| 13:17:12 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 13:17:12 | KGBudz | have you used any other card |
| 13:17:28 | JasonNJ | yes, linksys, dlink, netgear, smc, buffalo |
| 13:17:42 | KGBudz | whats better about it |
| 13:17:56 | tux_mike | jason: what do the enemies in rocket elite look like? |
| 13:18:03 | JasonNJ | It draws only 20mA of power at standby and about 100 in full draw |
| 13:18:12 | JasonNJ | tux: like other rocketships and spaceships |
| 13:18:23 | JasonNJ | soemtimes stuff on the ground |
| 13:18:27 | KGBudz | jason, where do you get drivers for this card |
| 13:18:35 | JasonNJ | zauruszone |
| 13:18:36 | tux_mike | i'm stuck on level 3 :) |
| 13:18:44 | JasonNJ | tux: I know the cheat codes |
| 13:19:01 | JasonNJ | tux: blow up all the cannons on the ground |
| 13:19:16 | tboc | JasonNJ: is this the 'low power' wlan card? |
| 13:19:24 | mark | tux_mike: rocket eliete? is that the 3d jobby? |
| 13:19:29 | JasonNJ | tboc: the WLAN6000 |
| 13:19:37 | | rocketelite is http://eongames.com/games/re/ or http://www.rocketelite.com/ |
| 13:19:37 | tux_mike | ibot rocketelite |
| 13:19:38 | tboc | JasonNJ: url? |
| 13:19:53 | JasonNJ | www.socketcomm.com |
| 13:20:04 | tboc | thx |
| 13:20:09 | mark | tux_mike: it downloadable yet? |
| 13:20:12 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: Does that work well with the Z? |
| 13:20:16 | tux_mike | no, it's in beta |
| 13:20:24 | tux_mike | talk to Neo about joining the beta :) |
| 13:20:31 | JasonNJ | Verx: yes but it currently requires supplementary drivers |
| 13:20:32 | djk | JasonNJ: socket do WEP? |
| 13:20:35 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: Also, I was wondering, does the $50 Z cradle come with a power adapter? |
| 13:20:35 | tboc | hey, great, another 'action game' to kill the Z's keys 8) |
| 13:20:41 | JasonNJ | djk: it can if you reflash the kernel |
| 13:20:44 | JasonNJ | or use OZ |
| 13:20:50 | mark | Neo|Work: can I beta rocket elite? |
| 13:20:53 | mark | :=-) |
| 13:21:03 | JasonNJ | verx: not sure |
| 13:21:06 | tux_mike | RE is cool, but hard :) |
| 13:21:16 | JasonNJ | I am gonna stab at it and say no, cause they are listed as separate parts |
| 13:21:25 | djk | JasonNJ: reflash kernel? Different ROM than Sharp? |
| 13:21:31 | el-jefe | verx, no power adapter with cradle |
| 13:21:44 | JasonNJ | djk: different kernel, you can use it with the existing ROM |
| 13:21:45 | KGBudz | jason, the driver says something about using a custom kernel cause wep is not supported for the socket card? |
| 13:21:47 | VerxHome | yeah, that is what I thought durnit |
| 13:21:54 | el-jefe | sux |
| 13:22:05 | VerxHome | I mean, every pocketpc cradle comes with the cradle and power adapter for $50 |
| 13:22:10 | tboc | did the guys from RE also program 'roketz' or is it just a clone? |
| 13:22:22 | VerxHome | every palm, from every manufacturer comes with cradle and power adapter for $50 |
| 13:22:23 | tux_mike | dunno |
| 13:22:27 | VerxHome | but the SHARP one |
| 13:22:31 | VerxHome | you just get the cradle for $50 |
| 13:22:37 | VerxHome | the power cable is another $30 |
| 13:22:42 | el-jefe | i know |
| 13:22:45 | JasonNJ | Verx: the sharp one is more expensive to make.. its not a AC power block, its got a separate transformer and cable |
| 13:23:16 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: I would be more than happy to have the AC power block version come free with the $50 cradle |
| 13:23:24 | el-jefe | but you dont have to use to cradle to charge it |
| 13:23:32 | tux_mike | and the sharp power adapter is regulated |
| 13:23:36 | JasonNJ | Verx: from what I understand the Ipaq ones and the radio shack ones work fine |
| 13:23:44 | tboc | JasonNJ: btw. the socket wlan-card you mentioned draws as much power as almost any other card ... read a review about that stuff lately |
| 13:23:46 | mark | sharp power adaptor is nice. works on multi voltage :) |
| 13:23:47 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: Really? |
| 13:23:55 | VerxHome | will be looking into that right now |
| 13:24:04 | warmi | hi |
| 13:24:05 | JasonNJ | Verx: yes, same voltage |
| 13:24:22 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 13:24:38 | tux_mike | warmi: i found one of my methods is doing something really funky |
| 13:24:48 | mark | hi warmi |
| 13:24:57 | warmi | what ? |
| 13:24:59 | warmi | hi mark |
| 13:25:12 | VerxHome | sure enough - the EXACT same output voltage/amperage and connector size |
| 13:25:17 | VerxHome | thanks JasonNJ for the heads up |
| 13:25:45 | VerxHome | yeesh |
| 13:25:52 | VerxHome | $189 for the socket low power lan card |
| 13:26:00 | JasonNJ | Verx: nah |
| 13:26:02 | VerxHome | versus $60 for a "normal" cf lan card |
| 13:26:10 | JasonNJ | like 150 direct |
| 13:26:16 | JasonNJ | wlan right |
| 13:26:26 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 13:26:39 | VerxHome | you can get a wlan cf card for $60 |
| 13:26:47 | VerxHome | that puts this socket one at a major premium |
| 13:26:49 | phatcat | aren't they all low power? |
| 13:27:03 | VerxHome | well, supposedly the socket one is SUPER ULTRA LOW power consumption |
| 13:27:17 | JasonNJ | the key here is the standby power draw |
| 13:27:19 | phatcat | do they have rpoof? |
| 13:27:24 | phatcat | proof |
| 13:27:24 | JasonNJ | only 20 milliamps |
| 13:27:32 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: When is it in standby? |
| 13:27:36 | VerxHome | when the Z is in suspend? |
| 13:27:36 | phatcat | as apposed to? |
| 13:27:41 | VerxHome | or when you aren't transmitting? |
| 13:27:41 | JasonNJ | verx: then it is not transmitting actively |
| 13:28:04 | VerxHome | so receiving but not transmitting continues at 20 ma then? |
| 13:28:13 | VerxHome | while Z is running |
| 13:28:16 | mark | JasonNJ: sharp UK have used a screenshot of Knights (my prog) in their promotional matieral on their website. While I dont mind, I would have liked to have been asked permission first. Just thought i'd register a complaint :) |
| 13:28:20 | tboc | erm, if you just read what i wrote you could've found out that the 'low power' wlan card is just as good as any other in terms of power consumption |
| 13:28:31 | JasonNJ | mark: I have no control over Sharp UK |
| 13:29:01 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 13:29:03 | mark | JasonNJ: ok, I thought the stuff could have been put together in the states. |
| 13:29:07 | VerxHome | $137 for the socket cf card |
| 13:29:12 | VerxHome | $146 with shipping |
| 13:29:18 | JasonNJ | wow they raised the proce on that socket card on their direct sales site |
| 13:29:23 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 13:29:23 | imm | why does my app not resice propperly in qpe on the x86 ? |
| 13:29:24 | JasonNJ | verx: yeah thats what I got it for |
| 13:29:27 | VerxHome | it is very expensive |
| 13:29:39 | VerxHome | JasonNJ: Cruxworks? :) |
| 13:29:51 | KGBudz | jason, is that socket card compatable with the latest sharp rom, cause there is a not with the driver saying it needs a custom kernel |
| 13:29:55 | warmi | mark: come on :-) |
| 13:30:02 | KGBudz | not=note |
| 13:30:09 | warmi | you gonna complain about it ? |
| 13:30:16 | mark | warmi: I dont care, i'd hae liked to have been asked so I knew about it |
| 13:30:32 | VerxHome | mark: So you wanted to be told then eh? |
| 13:30:38 | warmi | I know but still .. it is in your interest to have this app displayed like that .. |
| 13:30:50 | JasonNJ | kg: the spectrum driver on www.zauruszone.com/feed works with that card, its the one I use |
| 13:30:56 | warmi | btw it is GPLed app so , legally, they can do anything they want |
| 13:30:59 | JasonNJ | you dont need the custom kernel if you dont plan to do WEP |
| 13:31:20 | KGBudz | but if you use wep, you need a custom kernel? |
| 13:31:23 | cutm | . |
| 13:31:26 | JasonNJ | correct |
| 13:31:32 | VerxHome | ok |
| 13:31:36 | mark | warmi: also I would have produced a image without the opie 'O' on the start bar :) |
| 13:31:42 | George- | warmi: Remember, that knights isn't 100% his work |
| 13:31:42 | VerxHome | so now I need a 512MB SD card and a wireless CF card |
| 13:31:45 | VerxHome | gets cracking |
| 13:31:45 | JasonNJ | we're looking at getting the drivers integrated in the next ROM |
| 13:31:47 | George- | warmi: :D |
| 13:31:57 | Junxster | JasonNJ: yay! |
| 13:32:03 | warmi | mark: hehehe |
| 13:32:15 | warmi | George-: well, he ported it to Qtopia |
| 13:32:23 | George- | benmeyer: hey |
| 13:32:24 | JasonNJ | its a fully supported card under OpenZaurus though |
| 13:32:31 | JasonNJ | they are a bit ahead of us |
| 13:32:32 | warmi | and , despite what Trolls say, porting KDE apps to Qtopia is not all that easy |
| 13:32:40 | George- | warmi: yes, but I consider the ownership of knights to belong to the original author |
| 13:32:53 | George- | warmi: I know :) |
| 13:32:53 | VerxHome | ok |
| 13:32:56 | VerxHome | gotta go to work |
| 13:32:59 | VerxHome | see y'all |
| 13:33:17 | George- | bye |
| 13:33:19 | mark | warmi: btw, (not that I care, just interested), legally, dont I own the copyright of the screenshot as a whole? |
| 13:33:26 | George- | benmeyer: did you get my app? |
| 13:33:27 | George- | benmeyer: the HTML editor |
| 13:33:31 | warmi | mark: I don't know .. perhaps |
| 13:33:34 | ljp_work | easier porting kde app than X11 apps |
| 13:33:50 | warmi | that's too boring ... |
| 13:33:54 | George- | mark: stop bitching! :) |
| 13:34:12 | warmi | lawyer food |
| 13:34:20 | mark | warmi: hehe |
| 13:34:35 | mark | the sharp UK site looks good though. shame its not selling any |
| 13:34:56 | bewmIES | The Z makes a good warwalking device. |
| 13:34:57 | bewmIES | :) |
| 13:35:05 | bewmIES | Laid some chalk down the other day |
| 13:35:22 | mark | bewmIES: heh, you usign external antenae? |
| 13:35:48 | numatrix | bewmIES: Yeah, it does; especially if you configure kismet with speech recognition. |
| 13:36:01 | numatrix | bewmIES: Excuse me, speech synthesis, not speech recogintion. |
| 13:36:21 | bewmIES | nope, no antenna |
| 13:36:30 | bewmIES | I shove it in my pocket and just walk around :0 |
| 13:36:35 | bewmIES | I use my notebook for more investigation |
| 13:36:38 | mark | bewmIES: heh, I must try that :) |
| 13:36:48 | bewmIES | Set it so it never turns off but turns off the lCD |
| 13:36:55 | bewmIES | They sell external battery packs too |
| 13:36:58 | bewmIES | may pick one up |
| 13:37:30 | George- | what's warwalking? |
| 13:37:51 | numatrix | George-: what he just described; you know war-dialing right? Similar thing but for wireless networks. |
| 13:38:04 | mark | George-: like wardriving |
| 13:38:05 | mark | just, erm, walking |
| 13:38:07 | numatrix | George-: just walk around sniffing for wireless networks. |
| 13:38:24 | George- | no |
| 13:38:27 | George- | wtf? |
| 13:38:32 | George- | oh |
| 13:39:02 | JasonNJ | wardialing... used to do that as a kid |
| 13:39:15 | ljp_work | its cracker talk |
| 13:39:35 | Junxster | not to be confused with honkey tonk |
| 13:39:40 | ljp_work | just because you can access a network, doesnt make it legal |
| 13:39:54 | warmi | mark: what's the URL ? |
| 13:40:12 | warmi | ak.. I found it |
| 13:40:30 | Novas007 | ljp_work, on the other hand, stuff like wardriving is forcing the industry to come up with a security standard that actually works |
| 13:40:44 | Novas007 | if it wasn't an issue, would it happen? |
| 13:41:18 | ljp_work | if it wasnt an issue, it wouldnt matter |
| 13:41:32 | warmi | mark: you ther ? |
| 13:41:35 | warmi | there ? |
| 13:41:45 | mark | warmi: hi :) |
| 13:42:02 | George- | mark: check your query |
| 13:42:09 | warmi | you have URL where I can see the screenshot of your game ? |
| 13:42:12 | Novas007 | ljp_work, encryption is always good- but no one with resources would work on it if they didn't have a stake |
| 13:42:55 | Junxster | Does anyone want a really good idea for an application for the Zed? |
| 13:42:56 | ljp_work | well, if everybody was honest and moral, it wouldnt matter |
| 13:42:57 | bewmIES | It's just fun. |
| 13:42:59 | mark | warmi: 'ak.. I found it'. http://www.sharp.co.uk/zaurus/ its in the flash thing |
| 13:43:20 | Novas007 | ljp_work, if everyone was honest and moral, we'd have a utopia |
| 13:43:21 | bewmIES | I don't do anything malicious, and I'll be damned if I tell people they have open WLANs after the shit that's been happening lately. |
| 13:43:29 | _solaris_ | Junxster: ? |
| 13:43:47 | Junxster | _solaris_: a phone/addressbook that supports a picture of the person |
| 13:43:48 | ljp_work | there's been some wardriving on the tv news |
| 13:44:00 | warmi | mark: well, I said I found the site |
| 13:44:16 | warmi | well, it flashes so fast you can't really see much |
| 13:44:18 | Junxster | just a postage-stamp sized photo when you pull em up. man that'd help me out. i can never remember peoples names/faces |
| 13:44:37 | JasonNJ | soon people are going to be walking around with pringles cans on their heads |
| 13:44:38 | George- | do all the iBook 700's have ati radeon 16MB? |
| 13:44:46 | _solaris_ | Junxster: well that shouldn't be too difficoult... why you don't do it yourself? ;-) |
| 13:44:49 | George- | or are some still those retarded ATI Rage Mobility 128? |
| 13:44:49 | JasonNJ | hmm. Pringles helmet. |
| 13:45:24 | mark | warmi: yeh, thats it :). other screenies at www.houseoffish.org/knights |
| 13:45:25 | Junxster | _solaris_: I'm secretly afraid to learn to program, i'm afraid it might ruin my life. :) |
| 13:45:52 | Junxster | _solaris_: I'll just stick to my shells scripts, and be the good little sys-admin... |
| 13:46:27 | _solaris_ | Junxster: ic.. well i know that Taex is doing a new addressbook... you can ask him |
| 13:46:35 | _solaris_ | Junxster: but now he is not here |
| 13:47:06 | Junxster | what's that doodad you guys are always doing, to check the last time someone was on... |
| 13:47:31 | | I haven't seen 'taex', _solaris_ |
| 13:47:31 | _solaris_ | ibot: seen taex |
| 13:47:38 | | teax was last seen on #zaurus 4 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: KallDrexx: sorry i can't answer i never used qcanvas [Mon Aug 19 01:15:45 2002] |
| 13:47:38 | _solaris_ | ibot: seen teax |
| 13:47:59 | Junxster | _solaris_: that's the one. :) |
| 13:48:18 | _solaris_ | Junxster: well usually he is here, but he doesn't write anything... :-) |
| 13:48:37 | _solaris_ | I believe every day at about 6-7pm edt |
| 13:49:09 | Junxster | it's all good. i'll hunt him down some time. the other big app will be voip/video conf that'll rock |
| 13:50:12 | Junxster | Could you imagine having a meeting with your boss across the building with two z's? that'd be so damned cool. |
| 13:52:59 | Junxster | hmm. i guess that'd be hard actually. coz you only get one cf slot. unless you had it hookerd up to your pc, but then what's the fun... argh. |
| 13:53:20 | darienm | GOOOOOOOOOOD morning zaurus geeks ! |
| 13:53:53 | Junxster | morning darienm, i was just talking to myself about zedified voip/video conferencing |
| 13:54:45 | George- | chouimat|depress: something the matter? |
| 13:56:53 | darienm | Sounds interesting, Junxster |
| 13:56:56 | darienm | Wembly: you here? |
| 13:57:02 | darienm | numatrix: were you looking for me earlier? |
| 13:57:12 | Harlekin | hi |
| 13:57:52 | numatrix | darienm: yeah, but I forget why now. Going to ask something about qpose, I think. I'm loading it up now... it does take a while. The main program I'm loading on it is a bible program that has a lot of seperate files. |
| 13:58:41 | darienm | numatrix: Yes, loading apps (the first time of course) could take an hour depending on what goes into them. I loaded up a popular medical drug reference and it took neraly 45 minutes for the 14+ related files. |
| 13:59:10 | numatrix | yeah, this is 2megs worth of .pdb files, about a dozen or so. |
| 14:09:24 | darienm | numatrix: once you have it all running, make a backup of the qposession file so if anything 'bad' happens you can restore to an already-installed state. |
| 14:09:46 | mark | how do I work out the size of a disk from number of cylinders heads and sectors? |
| 14:11:51 | darienm | mark: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/Large-Disk-3.html |
| 14:12:10 | darienm | C*H*S*512 bytes = size |
| 14:12:22 | darienm | (from that document, don't quote ME) |
| 14:12:46 | mark | darienm: cheers |
| 14:12:59 | darienm | mark, google is your friend |
| 14:18:36 | gurok | does anyone in the uk have rom version 2.35 here ? |
| 14:19:20 | imm | benmeyer: i improved my beta a bit, should i sent it again or do you have enough work ? |
| 14:19:45 | benmeyer | <RANT> Why do people not write clean code from the start? </RANT> |
| 14:19:48 | benmeyer | imm: what app? |
| 14:20:04 | imm | benmeyer: PocketFlirt |
| 14:20:13 | benmeyer | Haha I havn't even gotten to it |
| 14:20:13 | fusion94 | benmeyer: cause 1/2 the ppl that program are self taught |
| 14:20:17 | benmeyer | yes send it to me |
| 14:20:24 | benmeyer | I have 3 days of apps to try |
| 14:20:28 | benmeyer | I will delete the old one |
| 14:20:58 | benmeyer | fusion94: but if you don't write clean code from you start it will take you even _longer_ to finish the app |
| 14:21:22 | benmeyer | spend 5cents now, earn $500 next week type thing |
| 14:21:52 | fusion94 | benmeyer: i'm aware of that, it's also a reason why ppl dont put clean concise comments in their code |
| 14:22:06 | imm | benmeyer: shure but most who do the challenge are newbiees i think |
| 14:22:12 | benmeyer | you write a function, you should write a comment on the header of that function saying exactly what it does, return, modifies etc in which you will then relize that you forgot to impliment half of the things you need to |
| 14:22:13 | benmeyer | sigh |
| 14:22:36 | benmeyer | why would only newbies do the challange? |
| 14:23:00 | scanline | People that already do zaurus dev already have a zaurus :) |
| 14:23:18 | benmeyer | I did zaurus dev before I had a z ;-D |
| 14:23:39 | imm | benmeyer: me too, and im a newbiee |
| 14:23:48 | scanline | heh, I suppose I've been doing zaurus dev for a while before they came out... |
| 14:23:53 | fusion94 | ahhh...blame imm then |
| 14:24:23 | imm | fusion94: thats not fair ! |
| 14:24:49 | scanline | yay I have an xchat ipk now! |
| 14:24:52 | fusion94 | imm: tis a joke |
| 14:24:59 | | i heard joke was A priest and a rabbi are walking down the road and they see a little boy. The priest leans into the rabbi and whispers "You wanna screw him?". The rabbi responds "Out of what?". |
| 14:24:59 | fusion94 | ibot: joke ? |
| 14:25:09 | scanline | and it's only 70k |
| 14:25:11 | imm | fusion94: shure :) |
| 14:25:30 | | imm: sorry... |
| 14:25:30 | imm | ibot learn a new joke |
| 14:26:34 | mark | scanline: xchat is gtk yeh? |
| 14:27:54 | scanline | mark: the code's pretty easy to port.. LoneTech ported it to PicoGUI a while back |
| 14:28:06 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 14:28:18 | imm | why does my app not resice propperly in qpe on the x86 ? |
| 14:28:18 | mark | scanline: oh right, you ported it to qt? |
| 14:28:25 | scan_z | says hi from the new xchat ipk |
| 14:28:31 | George- | mark: check query |
| 14:28:35 | scanline | mark: no, I ported it to picogui |
| 14:28:50 | scanline | mark: but it wouldn't be hard to port to Qt if someone wanted to |
| 14:29:06 | _solaris_ | benmeyer: are you reading also the sources? |
| 14:29:14 | scanline | -scan_z- VERSION xchat 1.8.5 Linux 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix [armv4l] (PicoGUI) |
| 14:32:47 | | benmeyer was last seen on #opie 4 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: slowly [Fri Aug 23 15:28:06 2002] |
| 14:32:47 | _solaris_ | ibot: seen benmeyer |
| 14:33:03 | scanline | After I squash a bunch of buglets I'll stick these ipks in the OZ feed |
| 14:33:15 | George- | wtf |
| 14:33:27 | fusion94 | George-: no idea |
| 14:33:42 | George- | fusion94: heh |
| 14:33:46 | George- | fusion94: Do you run Virtual PC? |
| 14:34:34 | scan_z | hrm... z went to sleep |
| 14:34:49 | numatrix | Hmm, I dunno darienm: it's still pretty slow loading, even with an 8mg swap. (qpose, that is) |
| 14:36:22 | fusion94 | George-: nah |
| 14:36:29 | fusion94 | George-: no need for me to |
| 14:36:31 | George- | fusion94: ok |
| 14:36:53 | George- | fusion94: I was just wondering if vpc would have better performance on 10.2 due to Quartz Extreme |
| 14:37:02 | George- | fusion94: ie - a 3D accelerated VPC desktop ;) |
| 14:37:10 | fusion94 | i'd doubt it |
| 14:37:19 | George- | yeh |
| 14:37:34 | fusion94 | it's probably not written to take advantage of anything 3d |
| 14:37:41 | fusion94 | theres no reason for it to |
| 14:38:36 | George- | fusion94: no |
| 14:39:30 | George- | wtf |
| 14:39:36 | George- | my monitor can't handle > 60Hz |
| 14:40:16 | VerxWork | warmi, you around? |
| 14:41:20 | warmi | yeah |
| 14:41:23 | VerxWork | hey |
| 14:41:30 | VerxWork | I just got off the phone with trolltech |
| 14:41:40 | warmi | aha ? |
| 14:41:42 | VerxWork | I finally got to talk to them about Qt on PocketPC |
| 14:41:43 | warmi | how much ? |
| 14:41:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:41:49 | VerxWork | well |
| 14:41:49 | VerxWork | first |
| 14:42:04 | VerxWork | did you see a press release or anything talking about their release of Qt for PocketPT? |
| 14:42:08 | VerxWork | s/PT/PC |
| 14:42:31 | VerxWork | I thought that I had |
| 14:42:32 | George- | VerxWork: it's unreleased |
| 14:42:36 | warmi | no, I read Trolltech employee ( I think it was Kent Sandvik" ) posting on Qt list |
| 14:42:46 | VerxWork | ok |
| 14:42:48 | VerxWork | well |
| 14:42:52 | VerxWork | I talked to their sales force |
| 14:43:03 | VerxWork | they said they currently have not decided to release it |
| 14:43:19 | mark | VerxWork: grrr |
| 14:43:21 | VerxWork | they haven't decided that they WON'T release it either |
| 14:43:34 | VerxWork | but there are apparently people internal to trolltech |
| 14:43:48 | VerxWork | that are looking at Qtopia taking market share from pocketpc |
| 14:43:55 | JasonNJ | wow what a funny 404 message |
| 14:43:57 | JasonNJ | http://www.scintilla.utwente.nl/asdfhjkl |
| 14:43:58 | VerxWork | to the point that releasing Qt for pocketpc might hurt them |
| 14:44:12 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: damn nederlanders |
| 14:44:24 | warmi | VerxHome_: that's what I was afraid of |
| 14:44:37 | warmi | but that's MS style tacticts :-) |
| 14:44:55 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: That is awesome! |
| 14:44:55 | VerxWork | :) |
| 14:45:00 | warmi | it would actually make easier for people wanting to develop for PPC port their apps to the ZAurus as well |
| 14:45:03 | VerxWork | warmi: Yeah. I told him that exact thing |
| 14:45:09 | JasonNJ | heh marvin the paranoid web server |
| 14:45:12 | VerxWork | he said that there were people on both sides |
| 14:45:19 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: Exactly what I was thinking |
| 14:45:19 | VerxWork | :) |
| 14:45:33 | VerxWork | locks the web server in a spaceship for 100 years |
| 14:45:33 | VerxWork | :) |
| 14:45:35 | VerxWork | ducks |
| 14:45:48 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: You know the most interesting thing this sales guy told me? |
| 14:45:54 | VerxWork | (from Trolltech) |
| 14:45:57 | darienm | George-: your htmleditor.ipk doesn't install to SD card :( |
| 14:46:15 | George- | darienm: I know |
| 14:46:20 | George- | darienm: That's #1 prob, atm |
| 14:46:26 | imm | warmi: could you tell me why my app does not resize on x86-qpe ? |
| 14:46:30 | George- | darienm: it works in cmd line, though |
| 14:46:53 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: Apparently there are "Qt/E products with a tremendously larger market penetration than Sharp's Zaurus that will be available very soon" |
| 14:47:12 | warmi | imm: uh ... there could be many reasons ... I am not sure which app are you talking about |
| 14:47:12 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 14:47:44 | warmi | they are most likely talking about some set top boxes |
| 14:47:46 | JasonNJ | the more Qt/e the better I guess |
| 14:47:56 | VerxWork | warmi: I dunno |
| 14:48:04 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: To a point |
| 14:48:06 | VerxWork | I mean |
| 14:48:11 | VerxWork | screen resolution means a lot |
| 14:48:14 | VerxWork | in my opinion |
| 14:48:19 | VerxWork | just as one example |
| 14:48:21 | imm | warmi: my beta for the contest. it slips under the "kicker" when i start it form the console |
| 14:48:24 | warmi | stuff like this :http://www.trolltech.com/company/announce.html?Action=Show&AID=102 |
| 14:48:25 | George- | VerxWork: what did trolltech say to your request of Qt for PPC? |
| 14:48:38 | VerxWork | George-: If you hadn't quit IRC you would have seen |
| 14:48:43 | VerxWork | but now you will forever have to wonder |
| 14:48:44 | VerxWork | :) |
| 14:48:44 | warmi | imm: are you sure you are deriving from QPEApplication and not QApplication ? |
| 14:48:55 | warmi | not deriving but creating rather |
| 14:48:56 | George- | VerxWork: XChat crashed |
| 14:49:01 | George- | VerxWork: slight difference |
| 14:49:14 | darienm | George-: I couldn't get it to open a file. |
| 14:49:26 | George- | darienm: what?!?!?! |
| 14:49:32 | JasonNJ | how did Neotron get added to the ban list |
| 14:49:36 | darienm | George-: it hangs trying to open a 6K html file |
| 14:49:40 | warmi | imm: like QPEApplication app; |
| 14:49:46 | VerxWork | oh crap |
| 14:49:49 | warmi | in your main.cpp |
| 14:49:52 | George- | darienm: and...? |
| 14:49:55 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: I didn't even notice (I am braindead sometimes) |
| 14:49:57 | George- | strange |
| 14:50:00 | VerxWork | at the bottom of that 404 |
| 14:50:00 | VerxWork | it says |
| 14:50:01 | George- | send me the file :) |
| 14:50:06 | fusion94 | is away: coffee and a smoke |
| 14:50:09 | VerxWork | "IN MEMORIAM of Douglas Adams |
| 14:50:11 | JasonNJ | or was that a ban added by neotron |
| 14:50:11 | VerxWork | 1952-2001" |
| 14:50:17 | imm | QPEApplication a( argc, argv ); |
| 14:50:17 | imm | PocketFlirt pf; |
| 14:50:17 | imm | a.showMainWidget( &pf ); |
| 14:50:17 | George- | darienm: I can open a 14k file OK |
| 14:50:20 | VerxWork | didn't realize he had died |
| 14:50:21 | VerxWork | :( |
| 14:50:33 | fusion94 | VerxWork: yeah last year :P |
| 14:50:43 | fusion94 | <--- Captain Obvious |
| 14:50:47 | VerxWork | um, yeah |
| 14:50:54 | JasonNJ | hitchikers guide dvd's are great |
| 14:51:05 | warmi | VerxHome_: this is not good .. what we have here is a company that was dedicated to making multiplatform toolkit actually losing its focus and hurting its multiplatform toolkit business because of some other deals .. not good |
| 14:51:12 | scanline | the radio show was my favorite |
| 14:51:18 | JasonNJ | yeah I have those on mp3 |
| 14:51:27 | VerxWork | warmi: Yeah, I talked with him about that |
| 14:51:41 | VerxWork | warmi: Seems that they may end up releasing it in the end for that reason |
| 14:51:48 | warmi | so are they still thinking about it ( meaning internal infighting) ? |
| 14:51:51 | VerxWork | but I guess trolltech has a bit too many irons in the fire |
| 14:52:00 | JasonNJ | bitchin schoolhouse rock is on DVD |
| 14:52:02 | VerxWork | they aren't sure if they can offer Qt on PocketPC and support it |
| 14:52:20 | VerxWork | yeah, there is internal infighting is what it sounds like |
| 14:52:22 | warmi | imm: I don't know .. your main.cpp does look OK to me |
| 14:52:30 | warmi | perhaps there is something else I am not seeing |
| 14:52:37 | treke | it would be nice if they could put the entire qtopia api on top of wince |
| 14:52:52 | warmi | well, Qtopia would be a bit of a overkill |
| 14:52:56 | VerxWork | treke: Not really |
| 14:53:00 | JasonNJ | wow all 46 songs on 2 dvd's |
| 14:53:05 | VerxWork | that is sortof pointless |
| 14:53:07 | JasonNJ | for 22 bucks |
| 14:53:09 | JasonNJ | thats a good deal |
| 14:53:09 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18632.png |
| 14:53:36 | warmi | what is that scanline ? |
| 14:53:46 | scanline | warmi: onscreen keyboard, in picogui |
| 14:53:48 | warmi | your virtual keyboard for pico-gui ? |
| 14:53:51 | warmi | ah ok |
| 14:54:09 | VerxWork | wonders what the attraction is to picogui |
| 14:54:31 | scanline | the keyboards are written in perl and compiled to a serialized version of the in-server representation :) |
| 14:54:35 | scanline | VerxWork: read the FAQ? |
| 14:54:47 | VerxWork | I did |
| 14:54:49 | VerxWork | I mean |
| 14:54:54 | VerxWork | I understand it is hella portable |
| 14:54:57 | JasonNJ | I hate being a DVD junkie |
| 14:54:59 | VerxWork | but looking at the apps made me want to puke |
| 14:55:05 | warmi | you know what scanline .. |
| 14:55:13 | scanline | VerxWork: not much work has been done on apps yet |
| 14:55:18 | VerxWork | heh |
| 14:55:20 | VerxWork | obviously |
| 14:55:20 | VerxWork | :) |
| 14:55:23 | warmi | I came to conlusions that your gui would be perfect for set up boxes type embeded stuff |
| 14:55:24 | scanline | yeah |
| 14:55:32 | VerxWork | they have Xeyes tho! The all important xeyes |
| 14:55:35 | scanline | warmi: there are people using it for stuff like that |
| 14:55:39 | VerxWork | man, you can't have any gui without frigging xeyes |
| 14:55:39 | scanline | xeyes? |
| 14:55:40 | JasonNJ | did the new edition of blade runner come out yet? |
| 14:55:41 | VerxWork | pukes |
| 14:55:48 | VerxWork | well |
| 14:55:50 | VerxWork | meeting |
| 14:55:50 | scanline | hrm... |
| 14:55:51 | VerxWork | bbiaf |
| 14:56:25 | warmi | it is not flexible enough at this point for a PPC market where people develop new widgets etc ... but with set up boxes , there is no need for that - all the software is provided in firmware |
| 14:56:29 | scanline | warmi: since picogui doesn't have the apps for a PDA yet, it's mostly being used for more specialized products like POS terminals and set-top boxes |
| 14:56:51 | scanline | heh.. you make a big deal about being able to develop new widgets |
| 14:57:01 | warmi | scanline: it is a big deal .. trust me |
| 14:57:22 | scanline | Well, there's a lot you can do with a small set of very flexible widgets |
| 14:57:29 | scanline | not as much as you can do with custom widgets of course |
| 14:57:33 | scanline | but it's still a lot |
| 14:57:44 | warmi | any nontrivial app will end up redesigning-extending-creating new or existing widgets |
| 14:58:02 | scanline | Qt has a much more broad definition of "widget" though |
| 14:58:15 | scanline | it's like windows apps vs unix command line apps |
| 14:58:21 | warmi | scanline: I know .. but for example wha if somebody developed an app that uses set of "real life" like controls ( thumns, sliders, etc ) |
| 14:58:29 | scanline | those are ugly :) |
| 14:58:48 | warmi | doesn't matter :-) the point is that people routinely do this kind of stuff |
| 14:58:49 | scanline | but yeah, I see your point |
| 14:58:59 | warmi | entire KDE is build on top of custom , Qt - derived widgets |
| 14:59:11 | scanline | I know picogui isn't ready for general use, but it's close enough that I want it on my zaurus :) |
| 14:59:38 | imm | warmi: can i use qmainwidget on the Z ? |
| 14:59:52 | warmi | that's why at this point Pico-gui is perfect for set up hardware where producent writes all the software and can create set of custom widgets which will run on the server side |
| 14:59:59 | George- | warmi: not the _whole_ of KDE :) |
| 14:59:59 | George- | warmi: 90% of it |
| 15:00:04 | warmi | imm: sure .. I don't see why not |
| 15:00:04 | George- | heh |
| 15:00:06 | scanline | warmi: tjere |
| 15:00:07 | scanline | err.. |
| 15:00:13 | scanline | warmi: there's no dash in PicoGUI |
| 15:00:26 | scanline | I won't call it Q-t :P |
| 15:00:30 | warmi | scanline: oh . ok .. sorry then: picoGui |
| 15:00:32 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:00:42 | scanline | I'm flexible on capitalization :) |
| 15:00:51 | warmi | hehehe |
| 15:01:40 | warmi | scanline: applications can use graphic primitives .. the same primitives that server is using to draw widgets, is that correct ? |
| 15:01:47 | scanline | warmi: yes |
| 15:02:10 | scanline | warmi: it's already possible for apps to make something that acts like a widget from the user's perspective, but it won't have the same interface |
| 15:02:24 | warmi | then , theoretically, one could create widgets on the client site .. just by using these primitives and basic events |
| 15:02:25 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 19:08:53) |
| 15:02:53 | scanline | warmi: two approaches I see to making custom widgets in picogui are allowing something like kernel modules to load widgets on the server, or writing a client library that could make custom client-side widgets act just like server-side widgets |
| 15:03:08 | warmi | scanline: well, you could provide both |
| 15:03:13 | scanline | warmi: the first choice will never be transparent to the developer, but maybe in C++ the second choice could provide as much flexibility as Qt |
| 15:03:20 | warmi | server side will always be faster |
| 15:03:45 | scanline | that's prolly what will happen, since I know we're planning on doing server-side modules, and once someone gets around to writing a C++ client lib it wouldn't be hard to abstract custom widgets like that |
| 15:04:06 | George- | apt-get on OS X really rocks |
| 15:04:13 | scanline | So lack of custom widgets isn't a fatal flaw in picogui :) |
| 15:04:19 | scanline | George-: fink? |
| 15:04:26 | scanline | hi gonkulator{work} |
| 15:04:34 | George- | scanline: yup :) |
| 15:04:50 | warmi | well, I wonder what is the advantage of keeping all widgets on the server side ? the only thing that comes to mind is lack of protocol overhead |
| 15:05:11 | warmi | scanline: I never said it was fatal flaw |
| 15:05:25 | scanline | warmi: Just reaffirming to myself ;) |
| 15:05:43 | warmi | I was just asking about it cause this kind of widget extensibility, is the main rason I like qt |
| 15:05:56 | scanline | warmi: The advantages of server-side widgets are network speed, small client size, and language independence |
| 15:06:02 | scanline | warmi: but for custom widgets those wouldn't matter |
| 15:06:07 | warmi | I would love to marry qts flexibility in this regard with picoGui speed |
| 15:06:33 | scanline | Well, it might be possible to do some of that with a C++ client lib for picogui |
| 15:06:47 | imm | warmi: could it be that i setCentralWidget to late ? |
| 15:06:49 | warmi | anyone heard of siglost library ? |
| 15:06:56 | scanline | to make a custom widget, you could just extend picogui's canvas widget with your own code |
| 15:07:26 | gonkulator{work} | hi scanline |
| 15:07:30 | warmi | imm: normally I would call setCetralWidget in the custructor of your QMainWindow derived class |
| 15:07:52 | gonkulator{work} | hmm... scanline and warmi having the same discussion about PG vs QT it seems |
| 15:08:00 | scanline | gonkulator{work}: not really |
| 15:08:04 | KGBudz | i typed shutdown now |
| 15:08:09 | KGBudz | and my zaurus froze |
| 15:08:14 | imm | warmi: thats what i do, but before or after i add the other widgets to the central widget ? |
| 15:08:18 | scanline | gonkulator{work}: talking about ways to implement custom widgets in picogui |
| 15:08:29 | gonkulator{work} | scanline: gotcha |
| 15:08:36 | warmi | scanline: well ... I like QT approach .. you have QtWidget which has bunch of virtual methods like OnPaint() , onResize(), onMouseDown() etc .. and then you basically use these methods to implement functionality |
| 15:08:55 | warmi | imm: it doesn't really matter .. it has to be something else |
| 15:09:29 | scanline | warmi: picogui's canvas widget is basically a client-server bridge for the API that server-side widgets use, so that would be easy to do |
| 15:10:12 | warmi | how do you handle events on widgets ? by means of function hooks ? |
| 15:10:29 | warmi | for example how do I catch mouse clicks on your canvas widget ? |
| 15:10:30 | scanline | warmi: the other nifty thing is that since the server keeps a scene graph, the client only has to send new drawing information when the size changes.. sometimes not even then |
| 15:10:32 | imm | warmi: i did the layout with spacers, could it be that they expand more the needed ? |
| 15:10:53 | scanline | warmi: canvas widget sends events just like other widgets in picogui. it's up to the client lib how to handle them |
| 15:11:22 | numatrix | zsibot: find palm |
| 15:11:22 | zsibot | numatrix: huh? |
| 15:11:23 | warmi | imm: it could very well be .. I had that problem with NFDB app .. if your Layouts are asking for too much space the widget will extend beyond screen size |
| 15:11:26 | numatrix | zsibot: search palm |
| 15:11:27 | zsibot | numatrix: sorry... |
| 15:11:29 | numatrix | zsibot: palm |
| 15:11:29 | zsibot | numatrix: i'm not following you... |
| 15:11:32 | warmi | Qtopia is not very good about catching that |
| 15:11:33 | gonkulator{work} | scanline: if I wrote a client library, it would ignore them all >:) |
| 15:11:39 | numatrix | zsibot: help |
| 15:11:48 | numatrix | zsibot find palm |
| 15:11:48 | zsibot | numatrix: sorry... |
| 15:11:57 | scanline | gonkulator{work}: heh.. probably |
| 15:11:57 | numatrix | wtf? |
| 15:11:59 | numatrix | zsibot search for palm |
| 15:12:07 | numatrix | zsibot search zsi |
| 15:12:13 | scanline | I think it's "search zsi for ___" now |
| 15:12:14 | fusion94 | zsibot: palm ? |
| 15:12:42 | numatrix | Ok, let's give it a whirl. Thanks, scanline. I think I killed it. |
| 15:12:54 | numatrix | Not exactly resilient. Sorry, darienm, or whomever was working on it. |
| 15:13:00 | imm | warmi: lucky me has methodes for every tab on the widget, so i try to disable one bye one |
| 15:13:02 | scanline | heh |
| 15:14:25 | warmi | imm: yeah .. hehe |
| 15:14:49 | warmi | imm: does your widget gets pushed in the vertical direction or horizontal ? |
| 15:15:40 | chouimat | imm: I'm thinking that the new version of my protocol parser will work |
| 15:16:20 | darienm | what did you do ??? |
| 15:16:23 | darienm | aieee ! |
| 15:16:33 | chouimat | darienm: what? |
| 15:16:44 | darienm | zsibot search zsi for palm |
| 15:16:45 | zsibot | Gutenbrowser_Embedded 7.48 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=304 |
| 15:16:46 | zsibot | KGrok >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=138 |
| 15:16:47 | zsibot | Open_Zaurus 2.9.4 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=332 |
| 15:18:16 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 15:21:24 | ljp_work | some people are idiots |
| 15:21:56 | Speedy2 | And? |
| 15:22:45 | ljp_work | and they piss me off |
| 15:23:05 | ljp_work | especially the guy that just tried to dump a tv into my trash |
| 15:24:07 | ljp_work | what a slacker |
| 15:24:11 | ljp_work | grrrr |
| 15:24:17 | imm | warmi: i found the bug :) |
| 15:25:10 | numatrix | warmi: Have you looked at rewriting the asm included in the sdlquake source? That would probably make quake usable, no? |
| 15:25:35 | numatrix | darienm: Sorry for killing zsibot; what was it I did? |
| 15:25:41 | numatrix | zsibot: search zsi |
| 15:25:43 | darienm | yeah |
| 15:25:50 | numatrix | zsibot: search zsi for palm |
| 15:25:51 | darienm | but its ok, its in beta mode before going into ibot |
| 15:26:01 | fusion94 | zsibot: palm ? |
| 15:26:06 | fusion94 | heh |
| 15:26:09 | numatrix | darienm: So what did you decide for the final format for the latest things? I think a null search kills it. |
| 15:26:14 | fusion94 | that bot hates palm |
| 15:26:25 | darienm | "search zsi for <string>" |
| 15:26:34 | darienm | "show zsi recent" |
| 15:26:39 | numatrix | darienm: Right, but how do I search for the recent apps; have you... nevermind. :-) Thanks. |
| 15:26:39 | darienm | Those are the two it accepts |
| 15:26:52 | numatrix | zsibot: show zsi recent |
| 15:26:52 | zsibot | numatrix: excuse me? |
| 15:27:00 | numatrix | ? |
| 15:27:00 | darienm | show recent zsi ? |
| 15:27:08 | numatrix | zsibot: show recent zsi |
| 15:27:08 | zsibot | cyrillic_input_and_fonts 1.01 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=406 |
| 15:27:09 | zsibot | krista 1.0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=131 |
| 15:27:10 | zsibot | Same 0.3.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=403 |
| 15:27:16 | numatrix | Cool. |
| 15:27:32 | tux_mike | are there any direct links to the toolchains and SDKs? |
| 15:27:52 | ljp_work | go to sharps developer site |
| 15:28:05 | tux_mike | the .jp one? |
| 15:28:13 | ljp_work | ya |
| 15:28:20 | tux_mike | what was the whole address? |
| 15:28:26 | Speedy2 | I have a few books to sell, anyone interested? |
| 15:28:39 | tux_mike | speedy: what books? |
| 15:28:52 | | developer site is, like, at http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 15:28:52 | numatrix | ibot: developer site |
| 15:29:50 | ljp_work | thats it |
| 15:30:50 | Alp0nso | Did you get the list before the damn phone call? |
| 15:30:56 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi now with 'zsibot find <searchtext>' |
| 15:30:56 | cranchy | ibot: zsi |
| 15:31:04 | imm | warmi: if i have a tab with not enough labels to fill it, should i distribute them or just fill the top ? |
| 15:31:30 | imm | warmi: ie, should i put a spacer at the bottom ? |
| 15:31:42 | Speedy_2 | Deitel and Deitel How to Program in C++ (new), Fundamentals of Database Systems 3rd ed by Elmasri and Navathe and Operating Systems (new), 4th ed by William Stallings (new) |
| 15:31:53 | junxster | zsibot find gnokii |
| 15:31:59 | darienm | down for a moment |
| 15:32:11 | junxster | k |
| 15:32:22 | darienm | back |
| 15:32:32 | darienm | "search zsi for <term>" |
| 15:32:52 | junxster | zsibot search zsi for gnokii |
| 15:32:54 | zsibot | Debug: recent=0, query='gnokii' |
| 15:32:54 | zsibot | Gnokii >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=366 |
| 15:32:59 | junxster | sweet |
| 15:33:27 | Speedy_2 | tux_mike: Get the list of books? |
| 15:35:43 | kergoth_ | hey all |
| 15:35:54 | ljp_work | boo! |
| 15:36:15 | ljp_work | I just installed slackware8! |
| 15:36:19 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 15:36:29 | kergoth_ | why? |
| 15:36:34 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 15:36:35 | ljp_work | I dunno |
| 15:36:45 | ljp_work | cause its there |
| 15:37:03 | imm | ljp_work: slackware rocks ! |
| 15:37:07 | numatrix | Anybody tried porting SDL quake to the zaurus? I just got it compiled and am trying it out now with quake shareware to see how it works. |
| 15:38:04 | fusion94 | ljp_work: perv |
| 15:39:16 | ljp_work | hehee |
| 15:39:36 | Speedy_2 | Hi kergoth |
| 15:39:43 | kergoth_ | hey Speedy_2 |
| 15:39:59 | Speedy_2 | What's up friend? |
| 15:40:09 | Speedy_2 | I see you got the m@ddd 0pz! |
| 15:40:36 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 15:40:38 | kergoth_ | yawns |
| 15:40:49 | kergoth_ | man, i had a 'talk' with the boss today |
| 15:40:55 | Speedy_2 | Uh-oh |
| 15:41:07 | Speedy_2 | What'd the f00l say? |
| 15:41:24 | kergoth_ | That i need to stop being late, and I need to take more calls to get my stats up to par. |
| 15:41:30 | kergoth_ | So he doesnt have to can my ass |
| 15:41:33 | ljp_work | hmmm anddd? he's going to pay you for working on oz? |
| 15:41:34 | Speedy_2 | Tell him to "suck on it" |
| 15:41:35 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 15:41:39 | kergoth_ | ljp_work: i wish |
| 15:41:45 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 15:41:56 | Speedy_2 | kergoth: Leave and go elsewhere. |
| 15:42:02 | Speedy_2 | kergoth: Why won't Lineo hire you? |
| 15:42:13 | kergoth_ | Speedy_2: heh. in this market? I'd be lucky if I could find anything elsewhere, especially in minnesota. |
| 15:42:20 | kergoth_ | job hunts though |
| 15:42:32 | ljp_work | lots of job for kernel guys |
| 15:42:38 | Speedy_2 | Don't job hunt in Canada though |
| 15:43:04 | ljp_work | everyone wants kernel guys |
| 15:44:35 | kergoth_ | well, i'm still a kernel newbie, with only a couple years of c experience and no degree under my belt |
| 15:44:41 | kergoth_ | worth a shot, but i'm not holding my breath |
| 15:48:09 | ljp_work | woot! I have kde 2.1! |
| 15:48:20 | bewmIES | You're like Neo in the Matrix, kergoth. |
| 15:48:22 | bewmIES | (Always Late) |
| 15:48:28 | bewmIES | Watch for that Fed Ex package... shoudl arrive shortly. |
| 15:48:46 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 15:48:52 | bewmIES | Time to start packin' |
| 15:49:08 | KGBudz | after you install a program, can you delete the ipk file? |
| 15:49:28 | ljp_work | yes |
| 15:49:44 | KGBudz | there is another file with the ipk, is that the binary? |
| 15:50:02 | KGBudz | or can that be deleted too |
| 15:50:22 | BZFlag | wonders how many different clients kergoth runs at one time. |
| 15:52:07 | Speedy2 | HELL YES |
| 15:55:10 | kergoth` | hrm, yeah i dont need this one |
| 15:55:23 | whardier | oops |
| 15:55:31 | scanline | hi whardier |
| 15:55:33 | whardier | I have to redo the DarkCurves png |
| 15:55:35 | kergoth_ | hey whardier |
| 15:55:37 | kergoth_ | why |
| 15:55:41 | whardier | needs to be 320x320 |
| 15:55:45 | whardier | for rotaters |
| 15:55:50 | scanline | ah.... |
| 15:55:55 | ljp_work | rotaters? |
| 15:56:02 | whardier | :) |
| 15:56:06 | ljp_work | is that like potaters? |
| 15:56:06 | whardier | damn dudes |
| 15:56:11 | scanline | is reminded he needs to stick a pgl-rotate applet in here |
| 15:56:13 | whardier | when in portrait mode |
| 15:56:20 | whardier | opie crops the image to 240x320 |
| 15:56:28 | whardier | etc for landscape mode |
| 15:56:31 | whardier | 320x240 |
| 15:56:35 | scanline | whardier: make a 320x320 one anyway :) |
| 15:56:38 | numatrix | zsibot search zsi for quake |
| 15:56:39 | zsibot | Debug: recent=0, query='quake' |
| 15:56:39 | whardier | well |
| 15:56:39 | zsibot | Quake (usable, but slooooow) >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=78 |
| 15:56:42 | whardier | Iam thinking |
| 15:56:46 | whardier | I need to make that arbitrary |
| 15:56:58 | whardier | so that I can make a 320x480 baackground |
| 15:57:13 | whardier | or quite possible make it stay put |
| 15:57:14 | scanline | why 320x480? |
| 15:57:17 | whardier | that would make me happy |
| 15:57:39 | whardier | oh well |
| 15:57:45 | whardier | I will get started with the 320x320 one |
| 15:58:00 | whardier | and add shading to the top and bottom so they are seemlesss |
| 15:59:20 | George- | I'm back |
| 15:59:29 | Onyx4 | me too |
| 16:00:03 | cranchy | anyone here an apache nut? |
| 16:00:37 | ljp_work | I have tried pine nuts, but not any apache nuts |
| 16:00:45 | scanline | pine nuts are good |
| 16:01:03 | Speedy2 | And if you mention them on "Emeril" you'll get such a round of aplause. |
| 16:01:03 | BigBoss | hey |
| 16:01:05 | Speedy2 | Hi |
| 16:01:17 | scanline | hi BigBoss |
| 16:01:53 | George- | hey bigdude |
| 16:02:41 | Wezzel | Has anyone installed a GCC compiler on the Z yet? |
| 16:02:42 | chouimat|Away | hey BigBoss |
| 16:02:49 | chouimat|Away | BigBoss: did you receive snow? |
| 16:03:33 | numatrix | Wezzel: a number of people have. |
| 16:03:51 | numatrix | Wezzel: see http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=293 |
| 16:03:59 | whardier | scanline 320x480 to cover scrolling |
| 16:04:06 | whardier | so you don't have to make seemless backgrounds |
| 16:04:09 | scanline | whardier: ah yes |
| 16:05:07 | darienm | cranch: I know apach3 |
| 16:05:13 | darienm | s/3/e |
| 16:05:24 | darienm | cranchy: rather, I know apache |
| 16:06:58 | Wezzel | numatrix: Many Thanks. |
| 16:07:40 | BigBoss | chouimat|Away: got an email from Radiant this morning, Snow should be here by the end of next week |
| 16:07:51 | BigBoss | the 3cd version is a few days behind the 2cd version |
| 16:09:01 | numatrix | Wezzel: no problem. |
| 16:09:04 | darienm | Wembly: here? |
| 16:09:09 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 16:09:10 | George- | Snow? |
| 16:09:11 | VerxWork | ok Shawn, thanks for the help |
| 16:09:15 | VerxWork | I didn't know which side of things to fix |
| 16:09:18 | VerxWork | :) |
| 16:09:32 | George- | What's "snow"? |
| 16:09:37 | George- | ;) |
| 16:09:37 | VerxWork | has Max been on vacation lately? |
| 16:09:46 | VerxWork | haven't seen him in quite a while |
| 16:10:20 | BigBoss | VerxHome: Max is working very hard on the Sync app, it's about done for the ToDo app |
| 16:10:38 | George- | Sync? |
| 16:10:40 | BigBoss | George-: the new concept album by the most amazing band Spocks Beard - www.spocksbeard.com |
| 16:10:45 | George- | omg, don't tell me tkc is making a sync.. |
| 16:11:01 | George- | oh |
| 16:11:01 | BigBoss | George-: we had to, no one would open up their shit for us to be able to extend the PIM engine |
| 16:11:25 | ljp_work | kitchensync is open |
| 16:11:26 | George- | holy crap |
| 16:11:32 | Wembly | george: well of course they are going to make a pda sooner or later :) |
| 16:11:32 | VerxWork | ljp: Open is one thing |
| 16:11:32 | kergoth_ | ljp_work: have you tried it yet? |
| 16:11:40 | ljp_work | no |
| 16:11:42 | kergoth_ | ljp_work: I just built kde from cvs last night, installed it, but didnt test it yet |
| 16:11:43 | VerxWork | ljp: Opening where they add new fields is another |
| 16:11:44 | George- | Wembly: nah |
| 16:11:48 | ljp_work | korganizer isnt finished |
| 16:11:53 | kergoth_ | yeah, i know |
| 16:11:55 | kergoth_ | still |
| 16:11:56 | kergoth_ | :-) |
| 16:12:05 | George- | Wembly: they'll skip that, and make a thin client :) |
| 16:12:06 | ljp_work | umm kitchensync does plugins |
| 16:12:12 | George- | Wembly: then tkcOS :) |
| 16:12:13 | VerxWork | ljp: I think Shawn's point is that things are open, but if he adds new fields and THEY don't, then it doesn't matter if it is open |
| 16:12:36 | Wezzel | numatrix: How do I install it? I did not find instructions :) |
| 16:12:55 | ljp_work | plugins.. all they would have to do, is write a tkc plugin |
| 16:12:59 | George- | VerxWork: better than reinventing the wheel |
| 16:13:09 | George- | Wezzel: copy it to a CF card, and mount the image to a mount point |
| 16:13:09 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/toflip.cgi?fn=port.15104.png |
| 16:13:23 | George- | Wezzel: mount -o loop -t cramfs <imagefile> <mountpoint> |
| 16:13:40 | kergoth_ | j,, |
| 16:13:42 | kergoth_ | hmm |
| 16:13:57 | kergoth_ | the opie touchscreen calibrator just hung. |
| 16:13:58 | kergoth_ | wtf |
| 16:14:08 | ljp_work | nice whardier! opie on the vercel! hehe |
| 16:14:26 | George- | whardier: loading.. ;) |
| 16:14:27 | Wezzel | Thanks. |
| 16:14:43 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/toflip.cgi?fn=port.16065.png <- seemless texture now |
| 16:14:50 | whardier | more depth too |
| 16:14:54 | George- | apt-get install xchat on OS X is taking quite a while... |
| 16:15:00 | George- | It's been going for like, 3 hours ;) |
| 16:15:34 | George- | whardier: you're working on the vercel? |
| 16:15:37 | VerxWork | George-: Try it on a non Mac |
| 16:15:43 | VerxWork | it might go faster |
| 16:15:44 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/DarkCurves_large.png |
| 16:15:45 | VerxWork | ducks |
| 16:15:55 | George- | VerxWork: ? |
| 16:15:57 | whardier | thats for the theme |
| 16:16:06 | whardier | maybe I should just download the ipkg and maintain it now |
| 16:16:08 | George- | VerxWork: stfu |
| 16:16:13 | cranch | whardier..thats pretty |
| 16:16:52 | VerxWork | well |
| 16:16:55 | VerxWork | now that I Have a Z |
| 16:17:06 | VerxWork | I am probably going to convert my iPAQ to run X |
| 16:17:13 | VerxWork | that way I will have a use for it |
| 16:17:13 | VerxWork | :) |
| 16:17:24 | VerxWork | hates having cool toys without a use |
| 16:17:46 | darienm | has a cool toy, waiting for sharpmobile package to arrive |
| 16:17:55 | VerxWork | sharpmobile? |
| 16:17:56 | VerxWork | wassatt? |
| 16:18:05 | darienm | http://www.sharpmobile.com |
| 16:18:07 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/toflip.cgi?fn=port.31684.png |
| 16:18:11 | George- | darienm: lucky arse! |
| 16:18:20 | George- | darienm: how much is it? |
| 16:18:26 | whardier | can opie.us snag those cgi scripts? |
| 16:18:30 | VerxWork | darienm: What did you order? |
| 16:18:36 | whardier | then we can make our own scap service for the Z? |
| 16:18:41 | whardier | or maybe just update those cgi scripts |
| 16:18:44 | whardier | so they know how to rotate |
| 16:18:58 | darienm | George-: all the info is on the site. I ordered the wireless modem and service plan last Thursday with expedited delivery (3-5 days) but still isn't here. |
| 16:19:00 | ljp_work | rotate this! |
| 16:19:02 | whardier | ljp: I wanna see pics of the Vercel |
| 16:19:08 | cranch | whardier..what theme is that? |
| 16:19:19 | whardier | cranch: one we all sorta came up with last night |
| 16:19:22 | ljp_work | well.. this vercel I have isnt much to look at |
| 16:19:28 | whardier | ljp_work: gimme! |
| 16:19:30 | cranch | its sweet :) |
| 16:19:33 | ljp_work | its attached to a wooden board |
| 16:19:34 | whardier | :) |
| 16:19:36 | cranch | looks nice |
| 16:19:38 | VerxWork | damn darienm |
| 16:19:42 | ljp_work | and its Rikers |
| 16:19:42 | cranch | it available? |
| 16:19:49 | VerxWork | 215 for the first month |
| 16:19:53 | VerxWork | 40 per month thereafter |
| 16:19:55 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/DarkCurves.scheme && http://segfault.bogomip.com/DarkCurves_large.png |
| 16:19:56 | VerxWork | that is pretty heavy |
| 16:19:59 | whardier | cranch: there it is |
| 16:20:04 | darienm | VerxHome: is that what it says? I didn't even read it much. |
| 16:20:09 | whardier | use liquid |
| 16:20:12 | darienm | VerxHome: Oh-- that's the cost of the device. |
| 16:20:13 | whardier | opie-liquid |
| 16:20:28 | George- | darienm: haha |
| 16:20:28 | VerxWork | darienm: Device + activation + first month |
| 16:20:28 | darienm | VerxHome: its $40 per month, but unlimited use. |
| 16:20:31 | VerxWork | then each following month is $40 |
| 16:20:34 | cranch | .thanks :) |
| 16:20:36 | whardier | you can change the bleed thru color of the background my editing the current color scheme in the editor |
| 16:20:40 | darienm | VerxHome: other services in this area charge by the megabyte. OUCH |
| 16:20:41 | whardier | then choosing a different bg color |
| 16:21:05 | VerxWork | darienm: UNLIMITED? |
| 16:21:10 | George- | darienm: heh, had too much money to burn? |
| 16:21:20 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 16:21:31 | VerxWork | I have "Excellent" coverage, but roaming fees will apply |
| 16:21:36 | VerxWork | wtf? |
| 16:21:50 | darienm | Its 19.2Kbps, not super-speed 56K like some services offer, but its UNLIMITED. |
| 16:21:58 | cranch | where do you put the schemes? |
| 16:22:12 | George- | darienm: 19.2KB/s |
| 16:22:17 | VerxWork | woah |
| 16:22:20 | VerxWork | that thing is HUGE! |
| 16:22:24 | George- | darienm: fuck, that's fast |
| 16:22:26 | whardier | /opt/Qtopia/etc/colors/ |
| 16:22:30 | George- | darienm: I'm stuck on 4.2KB/s :) |
| 16:22:46 | VerxWork | George-: He meant kbps |
| 16:22:48 | darienm | George-: I guess I mean kbps |
| 16:22:52 | numatrix | George-: no, I think you're talking kilobits verses kilobytes |
| 16:23:01 | George- | VerxWork: Kbps, or KBps? |
| 16:23:05 | darienm | I used a small 'b' |
| 16:23:08 | George- | :) |
| 16:23:15 | George- | ahh, didn't notice :) |
| 16:23:18 | VerxWork | George-: Kbps is commonly writting kbps as well |
| 16:23:30 | George- | Kbps == kbps |
| 16:23:30 | VerxWork | the B, regardless, should be lower case in this instance |
| 16:23:36 | George- | I do know.. |
| 16:23:38 | VerxWork | that is my point George |
| 16:23:39 | VerxWork | :) |
| 16:23:44 | George- | I know.. |
| 16:23:46 | numatrix | I get 'em all confused however it's written. |
| 16:23:59 | George- | numatrix: haha |
| 16:24:05 | George- | ;) |
| 16:24:25 | whardier | I still need to make my uber spiff theme engine |
| 16:24:26 | whardier | oh well |
| 16:24:28 | George- | oh YAY |
| 16:24:34 | George- | I'm on the LAST file!!!!!!!! |
| 16:24:34 | George- | (on apt-get) |
| 16:24:43 | numatrix | darienm: Does the modem have its own batter? At that size, it should... |
| 16:24:44 | whardier | every time I pick this damn thing up.. I want nothing more than X |
| 16:24:51 | whardier | and as a secondary I want to just make it prettier |
| 16:24:58 | darienm | numatrix: yes,its own battery |
| 16:25:13 | numatrix | darienm: Excellent; what kind of battery life do they claim and is it rechargable? |
| 16:25:13 | George- | darienm: to be honest, I'd rather use a wlan connected via ADSL :) |
| 16:25:24 | numatrix | George-: which only works as long as you're near your house. |
| 16:25:25 | darienm | numatrix: I dunno |
| 16:25:32 | darienm | George-: Places I go there are no wlans |
| 16:25:40 | George- | numatrix: I'm only ever near my house |
| 16:25:46 | George- | numatrix: hah |
| 16:25:46 | darienm | George-: I need this in my car, at client sites, in the park, etc. |
| 16:25:52 | George- | darienm: ahh |
| 16:25:58 | George- | and you desperately need the internet? :) |
| 16:26:11 | whardier | ljp_work: I love how informative the vercel site is |
| 16:26:14 | darienm | George-: yes |
| 16:26:30 | darienm | George-: I don't need to be _connected_ everywhere, but I need _access_ anywhere. |
| 16:26:34 | George- | darienm: heh |
| 16:27:00 | VerxWork | darienm: I don't understand the difference |
| 16:27:00 | cranch | darienm: that scheme is meant to work with Liquid? |
| 16:27:04 | darienm | George-: its my business, its my livlihood, my clients, my family, my children. Its a need. |
| 16:27:06 | VerxWork | between being connected and having access |
| 16:27:14 | ljp_work | whardier: theres more info at their developers site |
| 16:27:22 | darienm | George-: I don't need 'always on'. I need to 'get on when and where I want' |
| 16:27:26 | whardier | can I have access to it? |
| 16:27:31 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 16:27:31 | cranch | ibot: feed |
| 16:27:56 | George- | I wonder if it's possible to hack into the Sharp Mobile Services? :) |
| 16:28:11 | darienm | George-: its basically wireless dial-up. |
| 16:28:12 | George- | not that i'd do it... |
| 16:28:18 | George- | heh |
| 16:28:22 | darienm | George-: and its encrypted. |
| 16:28:28 | George- | darienm: I know ;) |
| 16:28:30 | George- | oh |
| 16:28:33 | darienm | George-: and my password is 'pokemon' |
| 16:28:38 | darienm | George-: so there's no way you can hack it |
| 16:28:44 | George- | LOL |
| 16:28:47 | darienm | George-: cuz I use DES and it's the BOMB |
| 16:28:49 | George- | rofl |
| 16:28:52 | darienm | George-: its unhackable |
| 16:28:55 | George- | please, no more references to last night ;)))) |
| 16:29:02 | George- | DES? |
| 16:29:13 | George- | darienm: stop talking about Novak! |
| 16:29:25 | darienm | looks around innocently. Who, me? |
| 16:29:32 | VerxWork | darienm: Are you sending data to my computer ? |
| 16:29:46 | VerxWork | my computer here at boeing is being sent informations from darienm! |
| 16:29:52 | VerxWork | looks |
| 16:30:12 | VerxWork | yes, my security log says that a program called "putty" is being sent informations from darienm |
| 16:30:16 | VerxWork | are you a hacker? |
| 16:30:16 | darienm | VerxHome: is that your Windows computer, or your Unix computer, both with the same IP ? |
| 16:30:20 | numatrix | darienm: you read this: http://zaurus.wynn.com/sharp.mobile/ |
| 16:30:24 | George- | darienm: Stop hacking my computer! It's showing up as "Very very super duper unbelievably damn high alert"!!!! |
| 16:30:35 | VerxWork | I have a unix computer that I call a windows computer because it makes it more secure that way |
| 16:30:47 | darienm | numatrix: that report is from their BETA period back in April. |
| 16:31:02 | darienm | numatrix: Why do you think it took them so long to release the live service? They were fixing the issues. |
| 16:31:29 | numatrix | George-: NES: Digital Encryption standard. Super-weak cryptography followed up by the actually effective AES (advanced encyrption standard), or the enhanced version of DES called 3DES or 'triple-dez' |
| 16:31:37 | numatrix | Whoops, 's/NES/DES' |
| 16:32:05 | numatrix | darienm: Have you heard from anyone how many of those issues they fixed? |
| 16:32:09 | cranch | darienm: is your scheme made to work with Liquid? |
| 16:32:23 | darienm | cranch: I dont have a scheme, what are you talking about? |
| 16:32:47 | cranch | oops |
| 16:32:50 | cranch | it was whardier: |
| 16:32:57 | XavierXeon | is it a scheme for world domination ? |
| 16:33:05 | darienm | numatrix: I heard a buzz back in June when I wanted this service that the reason for the delay in release was fixing issues related to the beta trials. Not an exact number, no. |
| 16:33:11 | kergoth_ | XavierXeon: sshhh |
| 16:33:15 | cranch | haha |
| 16:35:31 | VerxWork | darienm: I called their phone number and was on hold for 20 minutes |
| 16:35:43 | VerxWork | eventually, I was connected to "David Pratcherd's" voicemail |
| 16:35:55 | darienm | VerxHome: I signed up via email/fax |
| 16:35:58 | VerxWork | I think they must have one person dealing with sharpmobile customers |
| 16:36:24 | JasonNJ | http://haxor.slashgod.net/albums/kitten/aai.jpg |
| 16:36:25 | darienm | or one person part-time |
| 16:36:26 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 16:37:19 | JasonNJ | http://haxor.slashgod.net/albums/kitten/aah.sized.jpg |
| 16:37:21 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 16:37:34 | VerxWork | rofl jason |
| 16:38:30 | darienm | Noooo Noooo Noooo it can't be. |
| 16:39:04 | darienm | Mac OS X suffers from a Windows bug !!! |
| 16:39:09 | darienm | aieeeeeeee |
| 16:39:19 | George- | darienm: WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!? |
| 16:39:38 | cranch | darienm: how do I run that scheme...I put it into that dir you told me, and when I select it, it doesn't load |
| 16:39:40 | darienm | Renaming files in Columns view only to change case isn't accepted. The case reverts to the original. |
| 16:39:46 | darienm | cranch: stop ! |
| 16:39:58 | JasonNJ | God I want to go home |
| 16:39:59 | cranch | haha |
| 16:40:02 | cranch | alright |
| 16:40:06 | cranch | I'[ll figure it out |
| 16:40:08 | VerxWork | darienm: Did you at least look to see if you are going to have roaming fees? |
| 16:40:26 | darienm | cranch: You want to talk to whardier, not me. He's the one developing themes for liquid. |
| 16:40:27 | VerxWork | it appears that my entire state has roaming fees IN ADDITION to the $40 per month |
| 16:40:31 | cranch | damn it :) |
| 16:40:38 | cranch | has typing problems |
| 16:40:44 | darienm | VerxHome: I'm in Chicago. HUGE Verizon presence here. |
| 16:40:50 | VerxWork | k |
| 16:40:54 | VerxWork | not so here |
| 16:40:54 | VerxWork | :( |
| 16:40:57 | numatrix | JasonNJ: I like: http://haxor.slashgod.net/gallery/kitten/aaf |
| 16:41:01 | tux_mike | bah, verizon sucks :) |
| 16:41:14 | George- | what's Verizon? |
| 16:41:27 | tux_mike | telecom |
| 16:41:37 | JasonNJ | oh yeah that one is funny |
| 16:41:41 | numatrix | Aww, novak is in that gallery... http://haxor.slashgod.net/gallery/kitten/aak |
| 16:41:59 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 16:42:03 | darienm | I have that original advertisement framed on my wall at home. |
| 16:42:08 | kergoth_ | numatrix: lol |
| 16:42:17 | darienm | its a 4-part ad. |
| 16:42:22 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you get my emails? |
| 16:42:24 | | Sniper was last seen on #zaurus 23 hours, 58 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: ok.. thanks [Thu Aug 22 17:44:13 2002] |
| 16:42:24 | George- | ibot seen Sniper |
| 16:42:28 | darienm | Starts with one kitten, one dog. Then two dogs, then 4 dogs, then all of them. |
| 16:42:35 | kergoth_ | JasonNJ: yep i got em. havent had a chance to peruse them yet |
| 16:42:47 | JasonNJ | k just wanted to give you a heads up |
| 16:42:49 | numatrix | Anybody seen the verizon text-messaging commercial with the ferret? |
| 16:42:56 | benmeyer | hahahahaha |
| 16:42:58 | benmeyer | yes |
| 16:42:59 | numatrix | That's the funniest freaking commercial I've ever seen. Just my kind of humor. |
| 16:43:07 | numatrix | I so want to find that online somewhere. |
| 16:43:13 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:43:13 | tux_mike | darienm: where in chicago are you at? |
| 16:43:17 | benmeyer | I want the ibm commercials |
| 16:43:22 | whardier | I should generate a sub pixel rendered background |
| 16:43:31 | darienm | No, the funniest commercial ever is the Dicsover Card commercial where the daughter and father go to the pet store to buy the hyena. |
| 16:43:32 | whardier | just to add a really funky depth to the whole thing |
| 16:43:38 | darienm | tux_mike: Downers Grove |
| 16:43:50 | tux_mike | heh, i go to school near there :) |
| 16:43:52 | cranch | whardier: I put your scheme in my dir like you said, I just can't get it to load :( |
| 16:43:52 | cranch | hehe |
| 16:43:59 | darienm | tux_mike: stop by sometime. |
| 16:44:22 | tux_mike | you do anything with any of the loose chicago lugs? |
| 16:44:27 | whardier | cranch: reload opie? |
| 16:44:32 | cranch | yeah... |
| 16:44:35 | darienm | loose chicago lugs? |
| 16:44:37 | whardier | uhm |
| 16:44:41 | whardier | where did you put it? |
| 16:45:01 | tux_mike | all the LUGs in the area are very dis-organized, but do manage to have meetings |
| 16:45:08 | cranch | it shows in my Color menu |
| 16:45:13 | cranch | just can't get it to apply |
| 16:45:14 | darienm | tux_mike: no, no UGs for me at all. |
| 16:45:15 | JasonNJ | is anyone using a netgear wifi card successfully? |
| 16:45:31 | tux_mike | but, sunday there's a install fest at COD |
| 16:45:58 | darienm | I do my own installs. |
| 16:46:46 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/toflip.cgi?fn=port.21935.png |
| 16:46:50 | whardier | for all of you net tshirt fans |
| 16:47:03 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/Netshirt.png |
| 16:47:33 | ljp_work | whardier: did you get my msg? |
| 16:47:41 | whardier | yeah: |
| 16:47:43 | whardier | err |
| 16:47:46 | whardier | ljp: yeah |
| 16:47:48 | cranch | whardier: do you need opie to run that color scheme? |
| 16:47:56 | darienm | argh, didnt want to quit. |
| 16:47:57 | George- | benmeyer: ping |
| 16:47:59 | whardier | cranch: are you not using opie? |
| 16:48:03 | cranch | yeah |
| 16:48:05 | cranch | OpenZ |
| 16:48:06 | whardier | heh |
| 16:48:12 | whardier | OpenZaurus uses opie |
| 16:48:19 | cranch | I know |
| 16:48:22 | cranch | you are confusing me :P |
| 16:48:23 | Erwan__ | hello, Georges. How is your html editor ? |
| 16:48:29 | ljp_work | heh should be called opiezaurus |
| 16:48:35 | whardier | cranch: I have no idea why it would not be workign for you |
| 16:48:50 | whardier | an ipkg will be available for a bunch of different backgruonds and themes soon |
| 16:48:51 | whardier | I hope |
| 16:49:02 | darienm | Erwan__: George-'s html editor has the COOLEST FROAKING ICON I've ever seen !!! |
| 16:49:07 | cranch | cool |
| 16:49:09 | scanline | ljp_work: that'd be real confusing when people run X under opiezaurus :) |
| 16:49:20 | Erwan__ | yes, I've seen it also :) |
| 16:49:22 | darienm | Erwan__: Other than that, it works pretty well, too. |
| 16:49:41 | darienm | woot! topic change! |
| 16:49:46 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 16:49:51 | BZFlag | heh, it was buggin me/ |
| 16:49:58 | Erwan__ | Please, change topic not to forget A300 !!!! |
| 16:50:06 | darienm | Should they be in THAT order or REVERSE order ? |
| 16:50:14 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:50:16 | BigBoss | check it out |
| 16:50:22 | BigBoss | we just released QuantaGold for OS X |
| 16:50:31 | darienm | Ewww, not the A300! |
| 16:50:32 | kergoth_ | "The channel smacks of usage!" </abuse of the lame ass memory message> |
| 16:50:40 | darienm | What is Quanta? |
| 16:50:42 | kergoth_ | BigBoss: nice |
| 16:50:56 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 16:50:56 | darienm | ibot quanta |
| 16:50:58 | ljp_work | whats OS X? |
| 16:50:59 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 16:50:59 | darienm | ibot quantagold |
| 16:51:33 | Tenchi | if anyone cares about OSX |
| 16:51:41 | Erwan__ | thank you :) |
| 16:51:43 | Tenchi | Oracle release oracle 9i for OSX this week |
| 16:51:47 | Tenchi | released |
| 16:51:50 | fusion94 | is away: lunch |
| 16:51:56 | whardier | http://jmason.org/howto/subpixel.html |
| 16:52:32 | | Erwan__: i'm not following you... |
| 16:52:32 | Erwan__ | ibot: Quanta |
| 16:52:39 | BigBoss | Quanta is our web development system |
| 16:52:49 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/products/quanta/ |
| 16:52:57 | Erwan__ | it is a KDE html editor, right ? |
| 16:53:03 | BigBoss | our tkcEditor is essentially the code editor from QG |
| 16:53:04 | kergoth_ | whardier: heh. get freetype working with qtopia/qt/e |
| 16:53:05 | gonkulator{work} | is away: gone for the weekend |
| 16:53:13 | BigBoss | no, it is Qt based - runs on Linux, Windows and now Mac OS X |
| 16:54:00 | darienm | BigBoss: no wysiwyg ? |
| 16:54:21 | George- | darienm: Wysiwyg sucks |
| 16:55:28 | JasonNJ | george: actually I really like dreamweaver |
| 16:56:10 | JasonNJ | quanta sounds more like a serious nuts and bolts kind of a tool though, very different from DW |
| 16:56:30 | George- | yes |
| 16:57:09 | George- | anyone got the src for Qt 2.3.2 Embedded handy? |
| 16:57:14 | JasonNJ | i so want a mac |
| 16:57:22 | whardier | I want a big mac |
| 16:57:32 | cranch | Does anyone know of any other apps that open word documents besideds Hancom |
| 16:58:03 | Onyx4 | what kind of filesystem do SD cards come with by default? should I reformat it I heard of some issues with that |
| 16:58:36 | BigBoss | darienm: Wysiwyg is for people that don't know how to do web sites :) |
| 16:58:45 | cranch | are there any other goob backgrounds for Opie? |
| 16:58:56 | JasonNJ | big: I beg to differ |
| 16:59:02 | JasonNJ | you need both tools |
| 16:59:15 | George- | cranch: I have a few that are just resized digital blasphemy backgrounds |
| 16:59:34 | djk | JasonNJ: agreed |
| 16:59:34 | cranch | linky george> |
| 17:00:39 | djk | JasonNJ: do you know of weather app for Z? It would be great to download the latest forecasts with radar pictures |
| 17:00:51 | darienm | zsibot search for weather |
| 17:01:03 | whardier | http://www.jimmysoftware.com/Software/PowerToys/Landscape3/default.asp <- Found it! |
| 17:01:08 | darienm | zsibot search zsi for weather |
| 17:01:21 | whardier | thats the sub pixel framebuffer for WinCE |
| 17:01:32 | darienm | :( |
| 17:01:44 | numatrix | darienm: that's not so good... |
| 17:01:50 | darienm | zsibot search zsi for weather |
| 17:01:51 | zsibot | Debug: recent=0, query='weather' |
| 17:01:52 | zsibot | No results were found searching ZSI for 'weather'. |
| 17:02:01 | whardier | http://www.jimmysoftware.com/Software/PowerToys/Landscape3/feature.asp |
| 17:02:02 | whardier | hah |
| 17:02:07 | whardier | they took out the sub pixel part |
| 17:02:10 | whardier | and are just zooming |
| 17:02:45 | tux_mike | cracks every vertebrae in his neck |
| 17:03:03 | numatrix | That sounds painful. |
| 17:03:09 | whardier | I match your verebrae and up the anti with my shoulders |
| 17:03:11 | scanline | whardier: hey.. you said you were interested in messing with picogui.. my brain's too fried to fix the rest of these bugs right now but i'm uploading ipks of what I have |
| 17:03:12 | kybu | hi |
| 17:03:15 | tux_mike | actually it feels good :) |
| 17:03:24 | scanline | whardier: you have to run the apps from a ssh since the launcher doesn't work |
| 17:03:39 | whardier | scanline: gotcha |
| 17:04:24 | whardier | runs to a tree stump |
| 17:04:42 | scanline | doh |
| 17:04:49 | whardier | ? |
| 17:04:55 | scanline | I don't have permission to add packages to the OZ feed, and kergoth's at lunch |
| 17:05:26 | whardier | :( |
| 17:05:31 | scanline | I'll just stick them elsewhere for now... |
| 17:05:39 | whardier | is just happy he moved opt to SD |
| 17:05:43 | whardier | now I can put picogui in flash |
| 17:06:07 | whardier | is happy with the prettyness of opie for the time being |
| 17:06:12 | djk | deienm: guess no on the weather app |
| 17:06:13 | scanline | I haven't tested installing these to anything other than /, probably doesn't work on CF or SD |
| 17:06:24 | whardier | :) |
| 17:06:56 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/public/projects/pgui-oz/ |
| 17:07:13 | scanline | kill opie, run pgserver, then ssh in and run some of the apps in /usr/share/picogui/apps |
| 17:07:16 | scanline | that's about all there is... |
| 17:07:57 | cranch | George: could I get those wallpapers from you? |
| 17:08:12 | prpplague | kergoth: any word on that linux/digi problem? |
| 17:08:19 | JasonNJ | hey this is interesting. |
| 17:08:20 | JasonNJ | http://www.palmos.com/dev/tools/simulator/ |
| 17:08:21 | whardier | are you sticking around? |
| 17:08:21 | scanline | Nah, I need to go pack... |
| 17:08:21 | scanline | I'm leaving for boulder today |
| 17:08:21 | whardier | for the "move" |
| 17:08:21 | scanline | yip |
| 17:08:21 | whardier | dude.. you just need some buddies |
| 17:08:21 | whardier | running lunix |
| 17:08:21 | scanline | in fact, I'll be packing the server these ipks are on :) |
| 17:08:21 | whardier | so you have like 15 distcc hosts |
| 17:08:24 | scanline | hmm.. I have maybe 2 or 3 |
| 17:08:44 | darienm | djk: no weather programs on zsi at least |
| 17:09:04 | Onyx4 | do you have screenshots scanline? |
| 17:09:50 | whardier | I like having openMozix nodes available |
| 17:09:52 | whardier | for no reason other than distributed rendering |
| 17:09:52 | scanline | yeah, must help out povray a lot |
| 17:09:52 | whardier | I have the ipks |
| 17:09:52 | scanline | ok |
| 17:09:52 | whardier | I will pass them to kergoth if its important |
| 17:10:00 | scanline | Onyx4: there are a bunch on screencap |
| 17:10:22 | Onyx4 | ok but those are packages to run picogui natively, without opie right? |
| 17:10:30 | numatrix | JasonNJ: yeah, it is; compiled for ARM, that would be an excellent way to use palm apps... |
| 17:10:37 | scanline | Onyx4: yes |
| 17:10:46 | whardier | scanline how far off is the launcher! |
| 17:10:49 | scanline | Onyx4: it won't interfere with opie's files, you just have to kill opie first |
| 17:11:14 | whardier | # pgserver |
| 17:11:14 | whardier | *** ERROR (IO) : Error initializing keyboard |
| 17:11:14 | scanline | whardier: I dunno.. it's supposed to work, just segfaults instead. It needed a lot of improvement anyway, maybe I'll bug carpman into rewriting it |
| 17:11:21 | Onyx4 | ok , when I kill opie it's strange it doesn't go back to the terminal, it just hangs |
| 17:11:33 | whardier | ah |
| 17:11:34 | scanline | whardier: oh.. did you get an error installing the ipk, said /etc/pgserver.conf already existed? |
| 17:11:39 | whardier | no |
| 17:11:44 | scanline | hmm... |
| 17:12:05 | scanline | kergoth stuck an old pgserver.conf in oz-base for some reason, try deleting that then reinstalling pg-base |
| 17:12:46 | whardier | heh |
| 17:12:49 | whardier | pingi! |
| 17:12:51 | whardier | not right |
| 17:12:57 | scanline | hm? |
| 17:13:17 | whardier | heh |
| 17:13:20 | whardier | pingi |
| 17:13:21 | whardier | not right |
| 17:13:24 | whardier | get it now? |
| 17:13:35 | scanline | what's not right about pingi? |
| 17:13:39 | cranch | I need some opie backgrounds |
| 17:13:45 | whardier | he is on the calibration screen |
| 17:13:47 | whardier | felt like opie |
| 17:13:51 | scanline | ah :) |
| 17:13:59 | scanline | is probably too burned out for humor |
| 17:14:40 | JasonNJ | I wonder if it will be theoretically possible to run Palm OS 5 within the Zaurus in a VMware-type approach |
| 17:14:51 | JasonNJ | since, its native arm code |
| 17:15:09 | whardier | pgl-launcher segfaults |
| 17:15:15 | whardier | thats suppose to be? |
| 17:15:20 | Onyx4 | what's the advantage of running picogui scanline? |
| 17:15:26 | scanline | whardier: I know about that problem, dunno what it is yet |
| 17:15:39 | scanline | Onyx4: right now, none really |
| 17:15:41 | whardier | clicked on lasers |
| 17:15:43 | | feed is, like, a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 17:15:43 | cranch | ibot: feed |
| 17:15:43 | Onyx4 | ok :) |
| 17:15:45 | whardier | and blew away pgserver |
| 17:15:50 | Onyx4 | I don't see many packages compiled for arm for it |
| 17:16:03 | scanline | Onyx4: there are very few apps for it, and it still in relatively early development |
| 17:16:23 | scanline | whardier: hrm.. try commenting out the pgl-launcher line in /etc/toolbar.conf |
| 17:16:39 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 17:17:14 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 33 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: ok.. thanks [Thu Aug 22 17:44:13 2002] |
| 17:17:14 | George- | ibot seen sniper |
| 17:17:25 | Wezzel | What group do I ask questions about Openprojects.net to? |
| 17:17:51 | whardier | scanline: wow it hates me |
| 17:17:57 | whardier | resizing windows blows it away |
| 17:17:58 | scanline | whardier: =( |
| 17:18:07 | | Onyx4: what? |
| 17:18:07 | Onyx4 | ibot: onyx4 |
| 17:18:12 | | harlekin was last seen on #opie 1 hours, 50 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: hehe [Fri Aug 23 16:27:45 2002] |
| 17:18:12 | Onyx4 | ibot: seen harlekin |
| 17:18:22 | scanline | whardier: oh yeah... bug in the pgserver blitter I was going to fix until PGL frustrated me |
| 17:18:22 | whardier | how dotheth I changeth themethes? |
| 17:19:02 | whardier | wow |
| 17:19:05 | whardier | you can chain themes? |
| 17:19:15 | scanline | whardier: there's no theme changing applet yet... so you'd have to stick the themes in /usr/share/picogui/themes and edit /etc/pgserver.conf or alternatively load them over the network using the picogui 'themedemo' program... like i said still really early development stuff |
| 17:19:16 | darienm | The SharpMobile guy just called me. They are having difficulty provisioning IP's from Verizon -- my order is being delayed a few days. |
| 17:19:33 | scanline | whardier: yep.. picogui's theme format is pretty nifty |
| 17:19:39 | whardier | scanline: no apologies or stipulations needed :) |
| 17:19:52 | scanline | :) |
| 17:19:59 | scanline | well, I really need a shower |
| 17:20:00 | scanline | bbiab |
| 17:20:07 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 17:20:12 | ljp_work | I'll sayy.. |
| 17:21:06 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 17:21:07 | whardier | heh |
| 17:22:57 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:22:58 | whardier | poot |
| 17:24:01 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:24:11 | whardier | I wonder if I could claim that visiting somebodies website |
| 17:24:14 | whardier | crashed my computer |
| 17:24:18 | darienm | Anybody know, using fbvncserver on Zaurus, how I can re-calibrate the display? My vnc connection is about 9 pixels too far to the right. |
| 17:24:21 | whardier | and destroyed my hard drive |
| 17:24:24 | whardier | because of too many pop ups |
| 17:25:09 | bugix | holla |
| 17:25:15 | darienm | bueno |
| 17:25:22 | darienm | como estas? |
| 17:25:30 | bugix | biene |
| 17:25:40 | whardier | got any spanish fly? |
| 17:25:52 | bugix | shure :) |
| 17:25:54 | JasonNJ | whardier: I got roofies |
| 17:25:56 | whardier | Wo! |
| 17:26:03 | whardier | needs some RooFIeS! |
| 17:26:07 | whardier | JasonNJ: |
| 17:26:09 | whardier | wait |
| 17:26:15 | whardier | you are goig to a penthouse party |
| 17:26:17 | whardier | and you have roofies? |
| 17:27:11 | bugix | what the heck are roofies ? |
| 17:27:37 | ljp_work | date rape drugs |
| 17:27:38 | JasonNJ | bug: its what priests use on little boys |
| 17:27:52 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:27:56 | whardier | boa hates the newest rom |
| 17:28:09 | whardier | how is init.d and rc.d/init.d handled? |
| 17:28:25 | ljp_work | with a short stick |
| 17:28:33 | whardier | Augh |
| 17:28:38 | whardier | pokes people |
| 17:28:49 | bugix | i prefer w33d |
| 17:28:53 | whardier | echo 127.0.0.1 localhost zaurus > /etc/hosts |
| 17:28:57 | VerxWork | man |
| 17:29:01 | VerxWork | I just love my Z |
| 17:29:10 | VerxWork | I just wish I could fix its corruption |
| 17:29:14 | ljp_work | well, if you love it so much, why not marry it? |
| 17:29:31 | darienm | VerxHome: See my note about SharpMobile? |
| 17:29:38 | whardier | where is nano! |
| 17:29:52 | George- | <Guest72603> Do you know why a *.openprojects.net keeps heavily scanning my system?? It keeps triggering portsentry. If it is standard I ignore it. |
| 17:29:58 | George- | Any ideas? |
| 17:30:31 | Onyx4 | irc server is looking for proxy I think |
| 17:30:34 | darienm | George-: don't IRC channels usually look for proxies? |
| 17:30:35 | Onyx4 | it's common |
| 17:30:47 | darienm | s/channels/servers |
| 17:31:02 | VerxWork | darienm: No, I didn't |
| 17:31:05 | VerxWork | what was your not about it? |
| 17:31:06 | darienm | The SharpMobile guy just called me. They are having difficulty provisioning IP's from Verizon -- my order is being delayed a few days. |
| 17:31:17 | VerxWork | ahhh |
| 17:31:21 | VerxWork | interesting |
| 17:31:24 | darienm | :( |
| 17:31:26 | VerxWork | well |
| 17:31:28 | George- | darienm: not sure |
| 17:31:35 | VerxWork | I have decided $25 per month is doable |
| 17:31:39 | VerxWork | $30 would likely be workable |
| 17:31:44 | VerxWork | $40 I am not gonna do |
| 17:32:01 | VerxWork | but it is the closest I have found |
| 17:32:17 | VerxWork | darienm: Did you notice the modem is almost as big as the Z? |
| 17:32:22 | VerxWork | I was surprised at that |
| 17:32:24 | VerxWork | :( |
| 17:35:30 | darienm | VerxHome: size doesn't bother me |
| 17:36:15 | darienm | Anybody know, using fbvncserver on Zaurus, how I can re-calibrate the display? My vnc connection is about 9 pixels too far to the right. |
| 17:36:16 | VerxWork | darienm: You will have to tell me how the service is |
| 17:36:24 | VerxWork | if it is incredible, I will have to give it a shot |
| 17:36:25 | VerxWork | :) |
| 17:36:35 | VerxWork | the $40 per month is a bit much tho |
| 17:36:55 | darienm | VerxWork: the Zaurus and first year internet service was a birthday present. |
| 17:37:03 | VerxWork | excllent |
| 17:37:06 | VerxWork | from your children? |
| 17:37:11 | VerxWork | or wife, or something? |
| 17:37:12 | darienm | from my father |
| 17:37:14 | VerxWork | wow |
| 17:37:22 | VerxWork | would your father consider adopting? |
| 17:37:36 | darienm | doubt it, he's ignored all his children all their lives. |
| 17:37:41 | VerxWork | oh |
| 17:37:42 | VerxWork | well |
| 17:37:44 | VerxWork | so has mine |
| 17:37:51 | VerxWork | I figured if your father was doing this |
| 17:37:56 | VerxWork | he might be different than mine |
| 17:37:59 | VerxWork | but then again, perhaps not |
| 17:38:19 | darienm | no, he likes to flash money from time to time -- to "put me in my place" or something. |
| 17:38:32 | darienm | sorry, this isn't #therapy, is it? |
| 17:38:36 | VerxWork | heh |
| 17:41:49 | JasonNJ | everyone I know has a dynsfunctional family |
| 17:41:52 | tux_mike | ,,, |
| 17:41:56 | tux_mike | ... |
| 17:41:58 | VerxWork | well |
| 17:41:59 | tux_mike | hrm. |
| 17:41:59 | scanline | is back (gone 00:21:53) |
| 17:42:01 | JasonNJ | partcularly among computer people |
| 17:42:08 | VerxWork | it makes you wonder if anyone has a "normal" family |
| 17:42:12 | tux_mike | everyfamily is dysfunctional |
| 17:42:14 | VerxWork | or if there is even such a thing as normal |
| 17:42:24 | junxster | it's weird, but i kindof expect to get divorced after i have my children |
| 17:42:45 | VerxWork | here is a cool URL: |
| 17:42:46 | VerxWork | http://www22.verizon.com/Vanity/?loc=HP |
| 17:42:51 | VerxWork | lets you find vanity numbers |
| 17:43:00 | VerxWork | they didn't restrict it to their prefixes |
| 17:43:03 | VerxWork | so you can put in any number |
| 17:43:04 | VerxWork | :) |
| 17:43:48 | JasonNJ | junx: One of the reasons I probably wont have any |
| 17:44:04 | JasonNJ | every couple I know that has had kids has had major issues |
| 17:44:07 | VerxWork | junxster: Are you currently married? |
| 17:44:14 | bugix | takes 928787 |
| 17:44:17 | junxster | JasonNJ: i dunno. i like the idea of attempting to breed a better person. not married .:) |
| 17:44:33 | JasonNJ | its much easier having pets |
| 17:44:35 | chouimat | JasonNJ: divorced |
| 17:44:52 | JasonNJ | chou: married nearly 8 years now |
| 17:45:18 | chouimat | JasonNJ: was married 5 yrs but she's cheated me so ... |
| 17:45:19 | VerxWork | http://www.verizonwireless.com/thera/popup.html |
| 17:45:21 | mickeyl | what is the correct option for the new ipkg to display wget information? --h says -verbose_wget, but that's wrong, because it only shows the version of ipkg then |
| 17:45:21 | VerxWork | interesting |
| 17:45:24 | VerxWork | have any of you seen that? |
| 17:45:29 | djk | JasonNJ: You are missing out on all the fun |
| 17:45:55 | JasonNJ | djk: no I'm not |
| 17:46:19 | JasonNJ | went to a party for a toddler last week, lots of rugrats |
| 17:46:25 | JasonNJ | I am glad I dont have any |
| 17:46:25 | VerxWork | heh |
| 17:46:30 | VerxWork | I remember you mentioning that Jason |
| 17:46:31 | VerxWork | :) |
| 17:46:54 | darienm | doesn't have rugrats anymore, /me has pre-teens. |
| 17:46:56 | djk | JasonNJ: you say until you have tried it for real. It is scarey at first then it becomes fun |
| 17:47:21 | JasonNJ | djk: I'm selfish |
| 17:47:27 | JasonNJ | I want to enjoy my life |
| 17:47:31 | djk | JasonNJ: ah, honesty |
| 17:48:26 | djk | JasonNJ: to each there own. But there are reward of kids and enlightening moments of who we really are |
| 17:49:02 | JasonNJ | it requires sacrifices I am not willing to make in this juncture of my breif existence |
| 17:49:03 | | I haven't seen 'jrz', numatrix |
| 17:49:03 | numatrix | ibot: seen jrz |
| 17:49:21 | djk | JasonNJ: now a real question how about getting with verizonwireless with a product hate to see more PocketPC stuff |
| 17:49:59 | numatrix | Anybody know John Ryland from Trolltech? |
| 17:50:00 | djk | JasonNJ: just don't wait till you 40 for the first. |
| 17:50:51 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32269.png |
| 17:50:53 | whardier | HEH |
| 17:51:22 | numatrix | Umm, do we want to know? |
| 17:51:23 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/toflip.cgi?fn=port.32269.png |
| 17:51:38 | numatrix | Nope. Definitely don't want to know... |
| 17:51:43 | whardier | HEH! |
| 17:51:44 | VerxWork | ok |
| 17:51:45 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 17:51:56 | VerxWork | verizon has no cdpd service in Arizona at all |
| 17:52:02 | VerxWork | though they sell phones here |
| 17:52:20 | MSpin | AT&T should |
| 17:52:43 | VerxWork | MSpin: Doesn't matter - the sharp mobile uses verizon |
| 17:52:53 | VerxWork | so I would pay 5 cents per kb |
| 17:52:57 | VerxWork | on top of $40 per month |
| 17:53:10 | MSpin | VerxWork: oh...hrm...too bad you can just register the modem on a different network |
| 17:53:30 | VerxWork | yeah, I agree |
| 17:54:01 | comfrey | wonders the name of the irc package for OZ |
| 17:54:09 | VerxWork | zic |
| 17:54:23 | comfrey | VerxWork: thnks |
| 17:54:27 | VerxWork | np |
| 17:55:14 | junxster | does anyone know if verizon has coverage in the dc metro? (not the area, the actual subway, underground) |
| 17:55:46 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.476.png |
| 17:55:50 | whardier | i love that little display |
| 17:55:59 | VerxWork | junxster: Go to www.verizon.com |
| 17:56:03 | VerxWork | put in the zip code |
| 17:56:10 | VerxWork | find out if there is coverage above ground |
| 17:56:16 | VerxWork | point being |
| 17:56:20 | VerxWork | if there is no coverage there |
| 17:56:25 | VerxWork | then no chance of it being in the subway |
| 17:56:57 | junxster | VerxWork: does it only require regular cell phone coverage? |
| 17:56:58 | MSpin | I wish someone would put repeaters in the seattle bus tunnel |
| 17:56:59 | VerxWork | damn |
| 17:57:06 | VerxWork | what a bugly color selection there |
| 17:57:57 | VerxWork | whardier: I like this better: |
| 17:57:59 | VerxWork | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=acs |
| 17:59:45 | whardier | :) |
| 18:00:59 | VerxWork | is hardwire your site? |
| 18:02:08 | hardwire | :) |
| 18:02:17 | hardwire | si si |
| 18:02:21 | VerxWork | I take it yes |
| 18:02:23 | VerxWork | heheh |
| 18:02:52 | Onyx4 | any of you guys interested in testing my automated transcode divx encoding script for zaurus? |
| 18:03:26 | whardier | has no divx player for the Z |
| 18:03:27 | VerxWork | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=acj |
| 18:03:31 | VerxWork | wants this theme |
| 18:03:37 | VerxWork | awaits whardier's dcc of the theme |
| 18:03:52 | whardier | VerxWork: did you read the caption? |
| 18:03:53 | whardier | heh |
| 18:03:54 | kergoth` | whardier: install the opieplayer2 beta .. when its working again anyway |
| 18:04:03 | whardier | when its.. up |
| 18:04:07 | JasonNJ | dons his cowboy hat and shines his sherrif badge |
| 18:04:09 | junxster | $40 for unlimited wireless data? sounds pretty good... |
| 18:04:13 | kergoth` | op2 rocks |
| 18:04:16 | Onyx4 | here it is anyway, if you guys want to automate encoding of divx movies to 256mb to compact flash |
| 18:04:19 | Onyx4 | http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt |
| 18:04:23 | VerxWork | whardier: I flat out ignored the caption |
| 18:04:25 | VerxWork | sned it to me damnit! |
| 18:04:28 | JasonNJ | kergoth: is it flawless in OZ? |
| 18:04:29 | VerxWork | or I will get violent |
| 18:04:33 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: howdy sherriff |
| 18:04:48 | whardier | has never used transcode |
| 18:04:48 | George- | brb |
| 18:04:56 | whardier | is |
| 18:04:58 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: op2 is still beta. the menmory usage is high, and i needs performance tweaking |
| 18:05:03 | whardier | however shrinking a 960x320 image |
| 18:05:08 | whardier | down to sub pixel 320x320 |
| 18:05:08 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: but its looking damn good. |
| 18:05:30 | JasonNJ | kergoth: it eats up memory like crazy on the stock rom |
| 18:05:47 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: yeah i heard... |
| 18:05:58 | Onyx4 | actually 320x240 is pretty demanding for the zaurus, I defined some recommended aspect ratio to get good quality and framerate in there |
| 18:06:23 | Onyx4 | you of course have to get transcode and xvidcvs working first, but heh |
| 18:06:30 | darienm | Anybody know, using fbvncserver on Zaurus, how I can re-calibrate the display? My vnc connection is about 9 pixels too far to the right. |
| 18:06:32 | JasonNJ | kergoth: The memory Smacks of Shortage. |
| 18:06:50 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 18:06:51 | Onyx4 | I did a 2h20 minute movie and it came out superb with that script |
| 18:06:57 | JasonNJ | When my wife asks me if I did certain chores, thats what I tell her |
| 18:07:04 | JasonNJ | "The Memory Smacks of Shortage" |
| 18:07:07 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: we need a screenshot of that somewhere :-) |
| 18:07:18 | kergoth` | lol |
| 18:07:19 | JasonNJ | kergoth: for engrish.com |
| 18:07:35 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 18:07:48 | VerxWork | oh whardier, thanks for the oz logo! |
| 18:07:50 | VerxWork | :) |
| 18:08:04 | JasonNJ | what exactly is PicoGUI? |
| 18:08:28 | George- | bah, do we _really_ need 5 ops?:) |
| 18:08:34 | whardier | pico.. means small.. |
| 18:08:39 | JasonNJ | so basically, for OZ, we're gonna offer a Opie edition, a picogui and a X? |
| 18:08:46 | whardier | SISI |
| 18:10:38 | JasonNJ | listens to his San Mehat CD |
| 18:12:55 | tux_mike | hrmmm |
| 18:13:02 | tux_mike | i've gotten somewhere! :) |
| 18:13:03 | prox | hey, has anyone ever tried to use openvpn on the zaurus? (or any vpn software) |
| 18:13:26 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 17 hours, 36 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: is away: home [Fri Aug 23 01:36:35 2002] |
| 18:13:26 | numatrix | ibot: seen Neo|Work |
| 18:15:02 | cutm | you've got to reconsider everything |
| 18:17:19 | tux_mike | this is messed up... |
| 18:21:22 | numatrix | Onyx4: I get some strange resoluts when using your script... |
| 18:21:39 | Neo|Work | numatrix: ? |
| 18:21:40 | Onyx4 | ? |
| 18:21:44 | numatrix | Namely transcode segfaults. |
| 18:21:53 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 17:45:18) |
| 18:21:53 | Onyx4 | do you have xvidcvs? |
| 18:22:06 | numatrix | /usr/local/lib/transcode/export_xvidcvs.so |
| 18:22:09 | Onyx4 | and transcode 6.0 |
| 18:22:15 | Onyx4 | you need the xvidcore.so |
| 18:22:19 | numatrix | transcode v0.6.0rc4 (C) 2001-2002 Thomas Östreich |
| 18:22:23 | Onyx4 | libxvidcore.so |
| 18:22:30 | Onyx4 | or just use divx5 instead |
| 18:22:31 | numatrix | Ahh, yeah, I don't have libxvidcore |
| 18:22:42 | Onyx4 | change CODEC=divx5 |
| 18:22:47 | numatrix | divx5 is actually what was segfaulting. I used xvid first and it was screwing up too; let me check the error |
| 18:22:53 | Onyx4 | if you need libdivxencode.so for divx5 |
| 18:23:08 | Onyx4 | both codec require external library |
| 18:23:20 | numatrix | Onyx4: where do I get libxvidcore.so? |
| 18:23:25 | Onyx4 | www.xvid.org |
| 18:23:46 | Onyx4 | xvid I think give better results |
| 18:24:20 | smee | Onyx4: you have scripts to rip for zaurus? may I? |
| 18:24:27 | KGBudz | how do i remove icons from my documents after i delete the files |
| 18:24:29 | Onyx4 | see above |
| 18:24:33 | Onyx4 | I posted a link |
| 18:25:03 | smee | Onyx4: sorry - only just joined -could you repost please? |
| 18:25:08 | numatrix | Onyx4: umm, I downlaoded the source, but I don't exactly see how to compile it. |
| 18:25:14 | Onyx4 | http://63.194.216.219/zaurusrip.sh.txt |
| 18:25:23 | Onyx4 | yes, go into the build directory |
| 18:25:26 | smee | thanks |
| 18:25:28 | Onyx4 | then copy Makefile.linux to Makefile |
| 18:25:35 | numatrix | there is no such file... |
| 18:25:42 | numatrix | ahh; in generic |
| 18:25:43 | KGBudz | anyone know? |
| 18:25:48 | Onyx4 | edit it, and uncomment the i686 stuff for you |
| 18:25:51 | Onyx4 | to get more speed |
| 18:25:56 | Onyx4 | then type make |
| 18:26:00 | Onyx4 | and make install |
| 18:26:20 | VerxWork | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=abs |
| 18:26:22 | VerxWork | eek!!! |
| 18:27:41 | numatrix | Onyx4: should I have the latest stable , trusted, or final? |
| 18:27:48 | Onyx4 | trusted, read my script |
| 18:27:51 | Onyx4 | it says in it |
| 18:28:03 | Onyx4 | im updating it now for install instructions too |
| 18:28:19 | KGBudz | how do i remove icons from my documents after i delete the files |
| 18:28:20 | numatrix | Sorry, I missed that. |
| 18:29:00 | numatrix | Are there a ton of warnings when compiling? |
| 18:29:24 | Onyx4 | that's ok |
| 18:29:32 | numatrix | Yeah, but this one ain't: make: *** [../../src/utils/x86_asm/cpuid.o] Error 1 |
| 18:29:41 | VerxWork | hey jhardier, are you there? |
| 18:29:45 | Onyx4 | mmm strange |
| 18:32:49 | VerxWork | anyone here have OZ? |
| 18:32:55 | VerxWork | the latest OZ that is |
| 18:32:59 | junxster | Onyx4: you are about to be the new most popular guy. :) |
| 18:33:00 | VerxWork | I have a question |
| 18:33:28 | darienm | VerxWork: I have OZ |
| 18:33:48 | VerxWork | darienm: Could you do an "ls -al /opt/QtPalmtop/sounds/touch*" please? |
| 18:33:53 | VerxWork | let me know what you get |
| 18:34:05 | kergoth` | VerxWork: the Z doesnt use the touch click wave files |
| 18:34:18 | kergoth` | VerxWork: the audio for the clicks is inlined in the buzzer driver |
| 18:34:20 | VerxWork | kergoth: Well, I have a corrupted version on my Z |
| 18:34:22 | Onyx4 | why junxster? |
| 18:34:24 | VerxWork | I cannot delete it |
| 18:34:33 | VerxWork | was wondering if that was inherent in the image |
| 18:34:36 | VerxWork | or unique to my Z |
| 18:35:05 | junxster | Onyx4: coz you make it easy to make movies portable. :) that's a Good Thing(TM) |
| 18:35:09 | VerxWork | kergoth: I have had a few occasions where my flash has become strange. Not quite read only, but writes not working properly |
| 18:35:10 | whardier | ooh neat |
| 18:35:10 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 18:35:14 | VerxWork | kergoth: Have you seen that? |
| 18:35:24 | VerxWork | whardier: Did you see the note attached to image 61? |
| 18:35:26 | Onyx4 | I haven't done much testing yet, but give me feedback if you guys like it |
| 18:35:45 | Onyx4 | there are still some issues where I can't get mono sound to work in transcode, so the sound is stereo/64kbit, which is ok but not great |
| 18:35:54 | Onyx4 | I can't really put more than 64 to keep good video quality |
| 18:36:05 | whardier | image 61? |
| 18:36:11 | VerxWork | whardier: On your site |
| 18:36:14 | VerxWork | the last image |
| 18:36:16 | chouimat | YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! my client is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 18:36:18 | VerxWork | it has a comment someone added |
| 18:36:23 | whardier | yes |
| 18:36:24 | whardier | I saw that |
| 18:36:26 | VerxWork | ok |
| 18:36:28 | whardier | he never responded to me :) |
| 18:36:32 | VerxWork | just thought I would mention it |
| 18:36:39 | VerxWork | in case you hadn't seen it |
| 18:36:43 | VerxWork | nice stuff man |
| 18:36:46 | whardier | just made a sub pixel rendered image |
| 18:36:48 | VerxWork | not that image |
| 18:36:50 | VerxWork | no offense |
| 18:36:52 | VerxWork | but all the others |
| 18:36:53 | VerxWork | :) |
| 18:37:12 | VerxWork | whardier: I look forward to your online gimp tutorial with much interest |
| 18:37:31 | whardier | HEH! |
| 18:37:34 | VerxWork | :) |
| 18:38:02 | whardier | what is the pixel order and orientation on the Z |
| 18:39:17 | Onyx4 | 240x320 |
| 18:39:27 | smee | how long should first OZ boot take? > 10 mins? |
| 18:39:45 | whardier | heh |
| 18:39:47 | whardier | yeah |
| 18:39:52 | Onyx4 | it takes a while cause it builds the ssh keys |
| 18:39:59 | Onyx4 | as long as "..." as scrolling it's ok |
| 18:40:06 | Onyx4 | s/as/are |
| 18:40:15 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/subpix.png <- use xzoom and look at the high contrast areas |
| 18:40:49 | smee | I've had pingizaurus and a flashing cursor for some time now... did I give it a bad flash? |
| 18:41:26 | tux_mike | whar: i don't need to zoom, i can see the subpixel as it is |
| 18:41:38 | tux_mike | looks sharp on my AG CRT |
| 18:41:38 | smee | gives it a few more mins |
| 18:41:40 | whardier | low res? |
| 18:41:43 | whardier | heh |
| 18:42:02 | tux_mike | no, i can tell when something is sub-pixled :) |
| 18:42:27 | whardier | right on :) |
| 18:42:30 | whardier | well anyways |
| 18:42:38 | whardier | its obviously right to left in landscape |
| 18:42:39 | whardier | rgb |
| 18:42:39 | tux_mike | i see the slight orange and blue lines along the edge |
| 18:43:09 | whardier | that was a ver simple c program to do that |
| 18:43:23 | whardier | just scale a background down to 960x320 as a pgm |
| 18:43:29 | whardier | then it xforms it to 320x320 |
| 18:43:38 | whardier | black and white only for the time being |
| 18:43:43 | whardier | I don't know how to average the color |
| 18:44:05 | tux_mike | you coold peek into the Xrender code :) |
| 18:45:02 | whardier | I suppose I could |
| 18:45:03 | whardier | heh |
| 18:45:40 | chouimat | George-: ping |
| 18:45:49 | whardier | it bothers me that I can expand this back out :) |
| 18:46:10 | VerxWork | whardier: What do you mean |
| 18:46:16 | whardier | take grayscale image |
| 18:46:29 | whardier | squish it into rgb at a 3rd of the width |
| 18:46:34 | whardier | then expand back to grayscale |
| 18:47:02 | whardier | anyways |
| 18:47:10 | whardier | seems to work in landscape mode with that as a background |
| 18:47:19 | whardier | I should try something higher contrast |
| 18:47:52 | VerxWork | so you do two passes then? |
| 18:47:56 | VerxWork | one for width, another for height? |
| 18:47:59 | whardier | nope |
| 18:48:16 | whardier | only one or the other dependant on how the pixels are arranged on the screen |
| 18:48:20 | whardier | RGB |
| 18:48:21 | whardier | BGR |
| 18:48:23 | whardier | landscape |
| 18:48:25 | whardier | portrait |
| 18:49:12 | darienm | VerxWork: in /opt/QtPalmtop/sounds there is ONLY touchsound.wav |
| 18:49:26 | whardier | in the Zaurus's case.. if you wanted a black and white display.. I could cram it to 960x240 |
| 18:49:36 | darienm | VerxWork: matching touch* |
| 18:49:36 | whardier | but everything would be very small |
| 18:49:41 | whardier | and squished |
| 18:49:42 | whardier | heh |
| 18:49:58 | VerxWork | darienm: And you get no errors during the ls? |
| 18:50:02 | whardier | I would love to find quad pixel stuff to do this on |
| 18:50:32 | darienm | VerxWork: no errors |
| 18:51:03 | VerxWork | ok |
| 18:51:04 | VerxWork | thanks |
| 18:51:08 | darienm | chouimat: What's this about your client??? |
| 18:51:08 | VerxWork | has to reinstall then |
| 18:51:08 | VerxWork | :( |
| 18:51:11 | VerxWork | durnit |
| 18:51:21 | VerxWork | my Z is 100% perfect except for that one file |
| 18:51:22 | smee | ah, I think my initrd.bin is a few bytes short |
| 18:51:23 | VerxWork | :(((( |
| 18:52:31 | benmeyer | bla, this contest is eating up all of my time |
| 18:52:32 | whardier | I need a microscope |
| 18:52:39 | whardier | heh! |
| 18:53:09 | whardier | and I suppose it would be proper.. to add text shadows |
| 18:53:15 | chouimat | darienm: nessus client it work |
| 18:53:25 | whardier | ARE YOU PROPER! |
| 18:54:17 | djk | chouimat: weren't you working on the nessus client? |
| 18:54:27 | smee | claps hands |
| 18:55:12 | chouimat | djk: working on it. trying hard to finishing. the protocol handler work at about 85% but I will leave it that way for tonight |
| 18:55:31 | whardier | We have shipped: Rollerball (2002) |
| 18:55:31 | whardier | |
| 18:55:33 | whardier | You should receive it on or around: Monday, Aug 26 2002 |
| 18:55:33 | whardier | WOOT |
| 18:55:38 | whardier | is totally diggin netflix |
| 18:55:56 | tux_mike | i wonder if my copy of NWN is getting in todayu |
| 18:55:57 | Bala | heh |
| 18:56:00 | Bala | but why on earth would your order that trash? |
| 18:56:10 | smee | now I need to reboot so I can try out Onyx4's script |
| 18:56:10 | whardier | because its got awesome actors! |
| 18:56:29 | whardier | I wasn't gonna see it |
| 18:56:33 | whardier | then I was all.. hmm |
| 18:56:36 | whardier | its got Vin in it |
| 18:56:37 | Bala | umm.. like ll cool j? |
| 18:56:41 | whardier | then.. hmm |
| 18:56:44 | whardier | its got pink in it |
| 18:56:47 | whardier | so I guess I will |
| 18:57:32 | tux_mike | whardier: you, being the Geek xXx? :) |
| 18:57:37 | whardier | of course |
| 19:01:15 | tux_mike | i am so not gonna finish my program if NWN is sitting at home :) |
| 19:01:27 | chouimat | djk: ping |
| 19:01:33 | chouimat | hi [George] |
| 19:02:25 | whardier | pong! |
| 19:02:33 | VerxWork | tux_mike: It sucks |
| 19:02:36 | whardier | time to go check the goddamn mail |
| 19:02:36 | whardier | ! |
| 19:02:38 | VerxWork | I was all excited about it |
| 19:02:40 | VerxWork | but the game sucks arse |
| 19:03:02 | VerxWork | tuxmike: unless all you are after is single player |
| 19:03:27 | chouimat | hi Sniper |
| 19:03:31 | kergoth` | VerxWork: the multi's okay, but you end up fighting on your own anyway |
| 19:03:31 | Sniper | hi cho |
| 19:03:34 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:03:34 | kergoth` | hey Sniper |
| 19:03:51 | tux_mike | i'm planning on to use it as a D&D campaign tool |
| 19:03:53 | Sniper | hi kergoth |
| 19:04:10 | VerxWork | kergoth: WAY WAY too many multiplayer server corruption bugs |
| 19:04:18 | VerxWork | tux_mike: That is what my group was gonna do |
| 19:04:22 | VerxWork | we waited 3 years for the thing |
| 19:04:29 | VerxWork | we are back to pencil and paper |
| 19:04:34 | VerxWork | the game just sucks ASS for multi |
| 19:05:17 | JasonNJ | was looking forward to a nice weekend |
| 19:05:25 | chouimat | [George]: it's work. just the report generation |
| 19:05:34 | chouimat | to do |
| 19:06:48 | JasonNJ | jacksonville fla.. bloody hell |
| 19:11:05 | Sniper | :-) |
| 19:11:20 | Sniper | hey +o me fools |
| 19:11:51 | whardier | where is opie-desktop :) |
| 19:11:56 | whardier | actually |
| 19:12:03 | whardier | you guys know what the fix to that is right? |
| 19:12:11 | tux_mike | verx: well, i'm gonna try it out |
| 19:12:15 | whardier | remember a long time ago I mentioned backending the gui with a web server? |
| 19:14:35 | darienm | How would I generate an ongoing report of the number of users signed onto this channel -- say in 5 minute increments all day ? |
| 19:15:04 | darienm | Or, what's the IRC command to get the # of users in a channel? |
| 19:15:12 | darienm | so I could script against it? |
| 19:15:24 | | I haven't seen 'kruss', benmeyer |
| 19:15:24 | benmeyer | ibot seen kruss |
| 19:15:25 | Onyx4 | /who #zaurus |
| 19:15:34 | benmeyer | http://zaurus.kruss.com/ |
| 19:15:37 | benmeyer | anyone see this? |
| 19:16:17 | darienm | benmeyer: what about it? |
| 19:16:27 | darienm | benmeyer: that's me |
| 19:16:36 | benmeyer | they submited there app, but forgot to include it in the e-mail |
| 19:16:38 | benmeyer | hi :-D |
| 19:16:42 | darienm | benmeyer: no I didn't |
| 19:16:47 | VerxWork | darienm: /who #channelname |
| 19:16:49 | VerxWork | then parse it |
| 19:16:50 | darienm | benmeyer: it was attached, also with a note of where to download |
| 19:16:58 | benmeyer | ok, well the link doesn't pull up anything either |
| 19:16:59 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:17:41 | Harlekin | wheres mark nova |
| 19:17:57 | whardier | yankin it |
| 19:18:04 | VerxWork | tries the buttons on the mock zaurus |
| 19:18:07 | VerxWork | finds none of them work |
| 19:18:09 | alex1241551`4 | whardier: yankin what? |
| 19:19:01 | whardier | which package is libdb.so.2 in? |
| 19:22:04 | chouimat | http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 <-znessus client screenshot |
| 19:22:16 | Sniper | nessu rocks! |
| 19:22:39 | chouimat | Sniper: go see the screenshot |
| 19:22:42 | whardier | whazzat? |
| 19:22:44 | Sniper | Starr the Scam! |
| 19:22:47 | Sniper | start |
| 19:22:49 | Harlekin | chouimat: cool |
| 19:22:50 | Sniper | it should be scan |
| 19:22:55 | Harlekin | chouimat: size |
| 19:22:56 | Sniper | scam means a fake |
| 19:23:27 | JasonNJ | nessus is a port scanner? |
| 19:23:29 | JasonNJ | like nmap? |
| 19:23:34 | Harlekin | no |
| 19:23:35 | Harlekin | much more |
| 19:23:42 | chouimat | Sniper: just a typo :( |
| 19:23:50 | Harlekin | also a security hole scanner |
| 19:24:01 | VerxWork | Sniper: That is pretty funno |
| 19:24:01 | chouimat | Sniper: must send you later a mail of 5MB :( |
| 19:24:03 | KGBudz | whats a .desktop file used for |
| 19:24:03 | VerxWork | er, funny |
| 19:24:07 | Harlekin | with the ability to kill pretty much all windows boxes |
| 19:24:08 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:24:25 | chouimat | Harlekin: hehe :) |
| 19:24:38 | chouimat | Harlekin: so you like |
| 19:25:50 | chouimat | any comments on my screenshot beside the little typo |
| 19:26:03 | Harlekin | want to see it in action |
| 19:26:28 | chouimat | Harlekin: later tonight, need to debug some part of the protocol first. |
| 19:26:37 | Harlekin | whats teh overall size |
| 19:27:00 | chouimat | Harlekin: the size of the apps? or the gui size? |
| 19:27:14 | Harlekin | app |
| 19:27:27 | chouimat | Harlekin: about 300KB or less |
| 19:27:45 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:27:51 | Harlekin | chouimat: i ment unclusive nessus |
| 19:27:54 | Harlekin | .) |
| 19:28:00 | VerxWork | what does it mean when you try to do a reflash and end up with a green light on solid (Z here) |
| 19:28:06 | chouimat | Harlekin: x86 binary :) about 3 to 4MB |
| 19:28:12 | Harlekin | arm |
| 19:28:32 | chouimat | Harlekin: you will need a server on the desktop |
| 19:29:01 | Harlekin | why not crosscompile the server too |
| 19:29:17 | chouimat | Harlekin: maybe later |
| 19:29:39 | JasonNJ | dangit gotta fly to florida on monday |
| 19:29:51 | VerxWork | no one knows what a solid green light means? |
| 19:30:01 | chouimat | Harlekin: I'm adding that to the todo list for the final app (if I can get a Zaurus) |
| 19:30:04 | whardier | a vncviewer with zoom would be nice right about now |
| 19:30:10 | JasonNJ | Verx: It means go, dumbass. |
| 19:30:14 | Onyx4 | in OZ which package contains the telnet and ftp binary? |
| 19:30:24 | Onyx4 | cmdline that is |
| 19:30:36 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 19:30:37 | VerxWork | well |
| 19:30:42 | VerxWork | my Z has a solid green light |
| 19:30:45 | VerxWork | when I tried to flash it |
| 19:30:47 | chouimat | Harlekin: without the protocol fix the arm version of the client is 50KB |
| 19:30:50 | VerxWork | instead of solid green and orange |
| 19:30:58 | VerxWork | so I don't understand what go would mean in this context |
| 19:30:59 | Harlekin | chouimat: nice |
| 19:30:59 | Sniper | hold C and D |
| 19:31:12 | Sniper | and hard reset |
| 19:31:13 | VerxWork | I did |
| 19:31:17 | VerxWork | and it turned on the green light |
| 19:31:24 | chouimat | Harlekin: not stripped |
| 19:31:38 | Onyx4 | the green+orange light should stay on for 3 minutes |
| 19:31:44 | Onyx4 | when it's flashing |
| 19:31:53 | VerxWork | right |
| 19:31:54 | chouimat | Harlekin: 25KB stripped |
| 19:31:57 | VerxWork | that is what it has done before |
| 19:31:58 | VerxWork | but this time |
| 19:32:02 | VerxWork | it just turns on the green light |
| 19:32:04 | VerxWork | for some reason |
| 19:32:10 | Sniper | does it flash? |
| 19:32:19 | Onyx4 | harlekin, didn't you stip the op2 binaries? |
| 19:32:30 | darienm | "benmeyer: must say you have the best readme of any submision :-T" |
| 19:32:30 | Onyx4 | ^stip^strip |
| 19:32:33 | darienm | bleh |
| 19:32:34 | kergoth` | VerxWork: the key is the mail light turning on. the power light is solely determined by whether or not the battery is charging |
| 19:32:37 | darienm | didn't belong there |
| 19:32:40 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: sure the right file(s) are on the CF correctly? |
| 19:32:48 | Harlekin | Onyx4: i did, why |
| 19:32:51 | VerxWork | oh crap |
| 19:32:56 | VerxWork | that is the problem |
| 19:32:57 | Onyx4 | cause of chouimat's msg |
| 19:33:00 | VerxWork | forgot to plug in power |
| 19:33:01 | Neo|Work | no power connected? |
| 19:33:02 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 19:33:03 | Harlekin | Onyx4: ? |
| 19:33:15 | VerxWork | I thought the flash process turned both lights on |
| 19:33:23 | Onyx4 | <chouimat> Harlekin: 25KB stripped |
| 19:33:28 | kergoth` | VerxWork: you can flash without power, but if you run out of batery power in the middle you're in trouble |
| 19:33:35 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 19:33:36 | VerxWork | well |
| 19:33:36 | whardier | hmm |
| 19:33:38 | VerxWork | actually |
| 19:33:43 | chouimat | Sniper: a link to my server where to fetch the nessus server is ok, or I must also send it? |
| 19:33:44 | whardier | didn't fbvncviewer have cursor support once? |
| 19:33:44 | kergoth` | VerxWork: no, it just turns on maijl.. its just no one notice d cause they alwasy have power in |
| 19:33:47 | VerxWork | kergoth: You would only be in trouble if flashing a sharp rom, right? |
| 19:33:51 | whardier | or how do I turn on the qpe cursor? |
| 19:33:52 | darienm | whardier: treke was working on kinkattalite last time I heard. |
| 19:33:59 | kergoth` | VerxWork: yeah |
| 19:34:05 | VerxWork | kergoth: ie, if you ran out of power while doing OZ, it wouldn't matter |
| 19:34:07 | VerxWork | you wouldn't boot |
| 19:34:12 | VerxWork | but you could still flash again |
| 19:34:16 | whardier | ? |
| 19:34:31 | kergoth` | VerxWork: yep |
| 19:34:50 | kergoth` | note that the Z acts *really* fucking weird if you *totally* run out of power |
| 19:34:51 | tux_mike | how does the scap site thing work? :) |
| 19:34:59 | VerxWork | really? |
| 19:35:03 | VerxWork | I haven't had that happen |
| 19:35:05 | kergoth` | mine was conmpletely dead, even the backup battery.. |
| 19:35:09 | kergoth` | it only happened to me once |
| 19:35:19 | kergoth` | because i had 2.5.31 running and it didnt enabling charging ;-) |
| 19:35:20 | VerxWork | kergoth: I am reflashing everything because of that corrupt sound file |
| 19:35:25 | kergoth` | ah |
| 19:35:25 | VerxWork | starting from scratch again |
| 19:36:04 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
| 19:36:16 | VerxWork | well |
| 19:36:19 | VerxWork | I have often thought |
| 19:36:32 | chouimat | is listening to Electric Castle |
| 19:36:33 | VerxWork | the initial multi-re-installation process when trying a new os |
| 19:36:36 | VerxWork | is a good way to learn it |
| 19:36:37 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:36:41 | VerxWork | or the process in the very least |
| 19:36:42 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:37:04 | junxster | Is it pretty easy to go from OZ/back to default install? |
| 19:37:23 | Tarqen | yes |
| 19:37:32 | KGBudz | im trying to run kpacman and im getting an error saying no scheme |
| 19:37:35 | KGBudz | anyone familiar with this |
| 19:37:37 | kergoth` | junxster: yep, just download the original rom and install it the same way you did oZ' |
| 19:37:41 | junxster | that's cool. i'll have to try the OZ out when i get my Z |
| 19:39:13 | chouimat | Harlekin: your idea of porting the client to the zaurus is not bad |
| 19:39:58 | Onyx4 | anyone tried my zaurusrip ? feedback? |
| 19:40:14 | Harlekin | chouimat: ? server you mean |
| 19:40:27 | whardier | wow |
| 19:40:32 | whardier | tridia vnc is huge |
| 19:40:42 | whardier | 10 megs for a vnc server/client |
| 19:40:48 | whardier | thats.. uhm.. stuupid? |
| 19:41:06 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:41:14 | phatcat625 | whardier: you said something yesterday about transparent caching of ram, is there a website that gives a how-to? |
| 19:41:26 | kergoth` | phatcat625: kernelnewbies.org? |
| 19:41:31 | chouimat | Harlekin: yes |
| 19:41:48 | whardier | phatcat625: dude.. |
| 19:41:53 | whardier | its transparent |
| 19:42:02 | chouimat | Harlekin: but I don't know if I will be able to do that for 23h59 EST |
| 19:42:03 | whardier | and already exists |
| 19:42:05 | whardier | its nothing special |
| 19:42:08 | whardier | load a file from SD |
| 19:42:19 | whardier | the file stays in memory until it is bumped |
| 19:42:19 | Harlekin | chouimat: just take the one from debian /arm and repackage it |
| 19:42:23 | whardier | simple as that |
| 19:42:37 | chouimat | Harlekin: compiled without SSL? |
| 19:42:47 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 19:42:52 | whardier | x2vnc to the Z is rather pointless w/o a cursor |
| 19:42:59 | kergoth` | chouimat: unless you want another dependency on libssl |
| 19:42:59 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:43:05 | kergoth` | whardier: no cursor? |
| 19:43:10 | whardier | uhm |
| 19:43:16 | kergoth` | whardier: fbvncserver in OZ? |
| 19:43:18 | whardier | how do I enable a cursor? |
| 19:43:20 | kergoth` | whardier: or client? |
| 19:43:29 | whardier | talking about using x2vnc |
| 19:43:33 | chouimat | kergoth`: I don't have implemented ssl support curently |
| 19:43:34 | whardier | where I don't see anything :) |
| 19:43:39 | kergoth` | ah |
| 19:43:39 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:43:43 | whardier | so when mousey moves into Zaurus |
| 19:43:44 | whardier | yeah |
| 19:43:54 | whardier | is there any way to enable the cursor? |
| 19:43:58 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 19:44:10 | kergoth` | whardier: recompile qt/e with it enabled |
| 19:44:11 | whardier | hrmo |
| 19:44:12 | VerxWork | anyone know if busybox cp supports any kind of recursion? |
| 19:44:13 | kergoth` | whardier: ? |
| 19:44:13 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:44:16 | VerxWork | I cannot seem to do -r |
| 19:44:20 | kergoth` | VerxWork: try -a |
| 19:44:24 | VerxWork | kergoth: ok, thanks |
| 19:44:25 | kergoth` | VerxWork: -r should work though... |
| 19:44:25 | whardier | kergoth: heh.. you have to recompile for that? |
| 19:44:40 | VerxWork | ok, that seems to be supported |
| 19:44:41 | VerxWork | thanks |
| 19:44:43 | whardier | did not think a lot of things depended in the display of a cursor :) |
| 19:44:49 | kergoth` | heheh |
| 19:44:54 | kergoth` | i'm so fucking tired |
| 19:45:01 | VerxWork | kergoth: why do you include busybox 0.61.pre instead of a 0.63 derivitive? |
| 19:45:10 | kergoth` | VerxWork: ? |
| 19:45:20 | VerxWork | in OZ I mean |
| 19:45:52 | kergoth` | VerxWork: there is no 0.63. |
| 19:45:53 | Cloudchaser | happy friday everyone! |
| 19:45:57 | whardier | wow |
| 19:45:57 | kergoth` | VerxWork: there *is* 0.60.3 |
| 19:46:01 | whardier | the tridia vnc distribution |
| 19:46:05 | VerxWork | oh, sorry |
| 19:46:06 | VerxWork | rofl |
| 19:46:06 | kergoth` | VerxWork: which is current stable. i'm using current from cvs |
| 19:46:08 | VerxWork | my bad |
| 19:46:10 | whardier | is about the most bullshit thing I have ever seen |
| 19:46:11 | kergoth` | np |
| 19:46:12 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:47:06 | Onyx4 | kergoth: did you notice that when you use the usbdnet on zaurus, something system starts taking 50% usage and stays there until I reboot |
| 19:47:23 | XavierXeon | argh.....my pc just gave up. processor fan damaged |
| 19:47:38 | kergoth` | Onyx4: on the Z or your desktop? |
| 19:47:45 | Onyx4 | on my Z running OZ |
| 19:48:03 | kergoth` | Onyx4: hmm, no i havent seen that.. but people have reported the cpu usage problem, but no one has been able to isolate it |
| 19:48:09 | Onyx4 | I can ping fine, everything works, it just does that at work and at home when I connect it to usbdnet on linux |
| 19:48:12 | mdz | usbdnet is a piece of shit anyway |
| 19:48:20 | Onyx4 | it's different from the one that takes 100% in qtopia tough |
| 19:48:32 | kergoth` | usbdnet is definately a piece of shit |
| 19:48:46 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 19:48:53 | phatcat625 | i just got my copy of OS X.2 |
| 19:49:03 | whardier | there used to be a vncviewer that could scale the buffer! |
| 19:49:03 | darienm | things phatcat625 sux. |
| 19:49:04 | whardier | where the fuck is it! |
| 19:49:06 | whardier | heh |
| 19:49:09 | darienm | s/things/thinks |
| 19:49:20 | Onyx4 | you think I should file a bug on sf for that? |
| 19:49:31 | kergoth` | Onyx4: file one for each of the cpu usage bugs, yes |
| 19:49:38 | Onyx4 | k |
| 19:49:42 | chouimat | phatcat625: work well? |
| 19:49:51 | kergoth` | Onyx4: and let me know if you manage to determine the cuase of hte other |
| 19:50:03 | Cloudchaser | kergoth did you get top done? |
| 19:50:07 | Onyx4 | the one in opie seems to happen only after I did software install in oipkg |
| 19:50:08 | Onyx4 | ive never seen it otherwise |
| 19:50:22 | kergoth` | Onyx4: hm, so it could be ipkg or oipkg related then.. |
| 19:50:25 | Onyx4 | so maybe it's when the icons are refreshing |
| 19:50:34 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: nah, been busy at work.. and i forgot about it.. hehe. |
| 19:50:46 | Cloudchaser | no problem.. don't mean to be a pest |
| 19:50:48 | Onyx4 | I know the sharp rom, restarts qtopia after doing a install rather than just refreshing the icons |
| 19:51:14 | darienm | is getting a Challenge Zaurus! (which /me will promptly ship to erikd) |
| 19:51:20 | phatcat625 | chouimat: don't know it just got delivered |
| 19:51:32 | kergoth` | darienm: sweet |
| 19:51:37 | treke|ho1e | darienm: cool |
| 19:51:47 | Cloudchaser | congrats darienm: |
| 19:51:58 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: got in some trouble with the boss .. not canned, but I'm job hunting anyway. heh |
| 19:52:00 | darienm | It was fun. |
| 19:52:06 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 19:52:23 | Cloudchaser | i hope you have good luck job hunting |
| 19:52:31 | kergoth` | thanks. |
| 19:52:33 | VerxWork | kergoth: Is the ipkg in current OZ bad? |
| 19:52:42 | VerxWork | I need to upgrade it before doing ipkg removes with it? |
| 19:53:47 | kergoth` | VerxWork: i'd recommend getting the latest asap. idont know if it'll harm anything or not |
| 19:53:57 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:54:00 | VerxWork | I had forgotten that |
| 19:54:04 | VerxWork | and oipkg uses ipkg? |
| 19:54:12 | VerxWork | or is oipkg fully independent? |
| 19:54:12 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 19:54:15 | kergoth` | it uses ipkg |
| 19:54:16 | VerxWork | which? |
| 19:54:18 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:54:23 | VerxWork | then I need to reflash durnittohell |
| 19:54:24 | VerxWork | :( |
| 19:55:06 | kergoth` | ? |
| 19:55:09 | VerxWork | well |
| 19:55:14 | VerxWork | I removed a bunch of packages |
| 19:55:18 | VerxWork | and got errors from oipkg |
| 19:55:22 | Onyx4 | kergoth: it would help if we could port the "top" command to OZ |
| 19:55:31 | VerxWork | I have NO clue what screwed my previous install of OZ |
| 19:55:33 | Onyx4 | to find the cpu usage |
| 19:55:34 | kergoth` | Onyx4: look up, cloud just asked if i had that yet :-) |
| 19:55:36 | VerxWork | I don't want to have it happen again |
| 19:55:42 | Onyx4 | oh |
| 19:56:16 | Onyx4 | k cause the one from zauruszone segfaults |
| 19:56:18 | VerxWork | on last thing kergoth |
| 19:56:29 | VerxWork | if I do a DD of root |
| 19:56:33 | VerxWork | er, dd rather |
| 19:56:38 | VerxWork | can I use that to reflash |
| 19:56:44 | VerxWork | or does it need to be processed somehow first? |
| 19:56:46 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 19:56:52 | kergoth` | initrd.bin is just a pure jffs2 image |
| 19:57:13 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:57:16 | VerxWork | so once I have everything working |
| 19:57:23 | VerxWork | I can make myself a nice image |
| 19:57:27 | VerxWork | and easily go back to that point |
| 19:57:28 | VerxWork | cool |
| 19:57:29 | VerxWork | thanks |
| 19:58:03 | [George] | someone call me? |
| 19:58:08 | VerxWork | the REALLY nice thing about that kergoth |
| 19:58:12 | VerxWork | is that unlike the iPAQ |
| 19:58:25 | comfrey | is zic not on the OZ feed or is it just me? |
| 19:58:29 | VerxWork | I can restore the Z from a completely screwed root partition in the field |
| 19:58:46 | treke|ho1e | thats good |
| 19:58:49 | kergoth` | VerxWork: yeah, just keep a CF with the images handy.. |
| 19:58:51 | MSpin | loverly, kismet is only versioned as 2.4 not 2.4.6 |
| 19:59:02 | kergoth` | ? |
| 19:59:27 | [George] | kergoth`: Would the Z have the power to run e17? |
| 19:59:35 | treke|ho1e | [George]: no |
| 19:59:42 | [George] | treke|ho1e: damn |
| 19:59:44 | MSpin | kergoth: in the ipkg |
| 19:59:50 | MSpin | unless your build is different |
| 20:00:01 | kergoth` | MSpin: in the ipk control file? |
| 20:00:08 | kergoth` | MSpin: or ..? |
| 20:00:30 | MSpin | ahh, yay, yours is |
| 20:00:35 | kergoth` | ah |
| 20:00:37 | kergoth` | heheh |
| 20:00:37 | kergoth` | good |
| 20:00:54 | kergoth` | i so need this .. http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/management-sql-query.jpg |
| 20:01:12 | MSpin | OMG yes |
| 20:01:27 | treke|ho1e | haha |
| 20:01:30 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 20:02:02 | junxster | hah |
| 20:02:35 | KallDrexx | chouimat: WOOOHOOO |
| 20:03:53 | chouimat | KallDrexx: what? |
| 20:04:09 | KallDrexx | chouimat: my beta was accepted, and I sent them my info to send me my free zaurus to =D |
| 20:04:14 | KallDrexx | I'm so freakin happy right now |
| 20:04:24 | chouimat | KallDrexx: good |
| 20:04:36 | Cloudchaser | congrats! what's your beta? |
| 20:04:37 | bugix | KallDrexx: cool |
| 20:04:39 | MSpin | kergoth: I'm gonna be evil and depend on a specific kismet version |
| 20:04:53 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: it was the multiplayer RTS, although mulitplayer wasn't implemented yet |
| 20:04:59 | kergoth` | MSpin: hehe. better than trying to support them all |
| 20:05:00 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 20:05:05 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: all my beta was were 2 peasants you could move around, but in code it was a LOT more |
| 20:05:14 | chouimat | finishing my nessus client. will have a answer only monday or later |
| 20:05:23 | KallDrexx | yeah monday at 9am |
| 20:05:47 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah..they are all diffeent |
| 20:05:47 | KallDrexx | yeah this weekend once I get my paycheck i'm going to buy a kinstin 256mb flash |
| 20:05:50 | bugix | KallDrexx: when did you sent in your beta ? |
| 20:05:53 | darienm | KallDrexx: many congrats. Same here a few mins ago. |
| 20:05:53 | junxster | oh goody, verizon wireless covers the washington, DC subway |
| 20:06:08 | KallDrexx | bugix: well I sent it in 2 days ago, but mail.com currupted it so I setn it again eysterday and they responded today |
| 20:06:19 | KallDrexx | darienm: congrats to you too then :) |
| 20:06:20 | chouimat | will send it tonight |
| 20:06:25 | darienm | thx |
| 20:06:41 | bugix | KallDrexx: seems no hope for me to get a Z :( |
| 20:06:47 | KallDrexx | bugix: why? |
| 20:06:53 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:06:56 | Neo|Work | http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.09/vision.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set= |
| 20:06:58 | Neo|Work | awesome |
| 20:07:03 | Neo|Work | artifical eye story |
| 20:07:03 | bugix | KallDrexx: i sent mine two weeks ago |
| 20:07:05 | whardier | kergoth: did you leave out libdb stuff from libc? |
| 20:07:07 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: btw what brand digipower works with z? |
| 20:07:12 | | [George]: huh? |
| 20:07:12 | [George] | ibot xonx |
| 20:07:13 | KallDrexx | bugix: they havne't responded? |
| 20:07:23 | bugix | KallDrexx: no |
| 20:07:29 | whardier | or rather kergoth` |
| 20:07:29 | KallDrexx | bugix: dunno send them another email |
| 20:07:30 | darienm | bugix: I would send again |
| 20:07:34 | chouimat | KallDrexx: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 |
| 20:07:47 | darienm | bugix: because they are already reviewing the apps the received at 7 AM this morning. |
| 20:07:49 | kergoth` | whardier: shit i dont remember. feel free to check |
| 20:07:54 | bugix | KallDrexx: i sent 3 betas yet |
| 20:08:04 | KallDrexx | chouimat: nice |
| 20:08:05 | whardier | kergoth :) |
| 20:08:11 | KallDrexx | bugix: wierd... |
| 20:08:22 | darienm | bugix: At a minimum you should have gotten an email that confirmed they got it. |
| 20:08:22 | whardier | kergoth: well.. is the latest rom current with CVS or in your own tree ATM? |
| 20:08:36 | darienm | bugix: I got a confirm email, but then they 'lost' my attachments. |
| 20:08:47 | KallDrexx | lol anyone wanna see pics of my peasants? :) |
| 20:08:49 | bugix | darienm: yes, and one i should send in my beta now |
| 20:08:49 | kergoth` | whardier: close. the feed contains everything in cvs. some things have been fixed since, but nothing major like inclusion or removal of libs |
| 20:08:57 | whardier | ok |
| 20:09:04 | whardier | I need to note quite a few things that are borked |
| 20:09:10 | kergoth` | feel free |
| 20:09:13 | darienm | KallDrexx: YES |
| 20:09:18 | darienm | KallDrexx: Are they FEMALE peasants? |
| 20:09:24 | kergoth` | whardier: you've got cvs write access, just fix shit. dont forget to increment revisions. |
| 20:09:27 | kergoth` | whardier: heh |
| 20:09:32 | KallDrexx | http://kalldrexx.homelinux.net/battlement1.png for the rest do 1-5 |
| 20:09:47 | KallDrexx | darienm: heh no, I can't draw and I was busy coding than real drawing |
| 20:10:55 | whardier | kergoth :) |
| 20:11:11 | whardier | kergoth: what about opie :) |
| 20:11:20 | whardier | thats not in the build system is it? |
| 20:11:33 | tux_mike | kall: those are some, erm, bright colors |
| 20:11:52 | KallDrexx | tux_mike: hehe I wasn't too concerned with the art too much |
| 20:11:58 | KallDrexx | tux_mike: i'll change it before the final |
| 20:12:09 | KallDrexx | I need a sprite artist |
| 20:12:16 | tux_mike | my game is really fuggered :) |
| 20:12:27 | KallDrexx | hehe what is it? |
| 20:12:38 | darienm | KallDrexx: oh my, its 8-bit theater |
| 20:12:44 | bugix | my gf is one week away, what should i code next ? |
| 20:12:53 | tux_mike | it's a clone of bejeweled... but nothing's working right. at least i got rid of 99% of all the segfaults |
| 20:12:54 | KallDrexx | LOL darienm |
| 20:12:56 | bugix | is there a j'n'r game yet ? |
| 20:13:04 | tux_mike | i need to rework some things |
| 20:13:48 | tux_mike | bugfix: never heard of it. |
| 20:14:33 | bugix | tux_mike: jump n run i meant |
| 20:14:37 | tux_mike | ah |
| 20:14:42 | tux_mike | none that i've seen |
| 20:15:06 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 20:16:04 | kergoth` | whardier: opie's not in the buildsystem. any changes you want to do there post a mail to opie@handhelds.org |
| 20:16:17 | Cloudchaser | wow some guy posted about vnc rebooting his z with sharp rom |
| 20:16:45 | Cloudchaser | kinda like it crashing opie only it reboots instead of dropping to login prompt |
| 20:17:02 | whardier | kergoth: :) |
| 20:17:07 | VerxWork | Removing package opie-handwriting.../opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop: error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:17:08 | VerxWork | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-handwriting.postrm remove' failed: No such file or directory. |
| 20:17:08 | VerxWork | Done |
| 20:17:08 | VerxWork | Removing package opie-keyboard.../opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qcop: error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:17:08 | VerxWork | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-keyboard.postrm remove' failed: Directory not empty. |
| 20:17:09 | VerxWork | Done |
| 20:17:13 | VerxWork | anyone know if I should be concerned with these? |
| 20:17:15 | kergoth` | VerxWork: harmless |
| 20:17:18 | darienm | bugix: There's a gameboy emulator, plenty of jnr games therre :) |
| 20:17:18 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: hey what kind of digipower you got working with your Z? |
| 20:17:19 | VerxWork | ok |
| 20:17:20 | kergoth` | VerxWork: it removed em fine |
| 20:17:21 | VerxWork | thanks |
| 20:17:22 | [George] | VerxWork: rm -rf / |
| 20:17:23 | kergoth` | np |
| 20:17:28 | kergoth` | smacks george |
| 20:17:29 | VerxWork | [George]: Ok, it is running right now |
| 20:17:33 | KallDrexx | lol george |
| 20:17:35 | VerxWork | I will let you know when it is done |
| 20:17:37 | VerxWork | :)))))) |
| 20:17:58 | Onyx4 | did you guys fix the -y parameter for mkfs.minix? im just wondering what hsould I put there instead in checkroot.sh ? |
| 20:18:06 | whardier | laughs as he goes thru kergoths home dir on geezer |
| 20:18:09 | sjohnson | kergoth`: I find a fixed for the package manager problems with the lasest OZ beta. I dropped in the lastest ipkg from familiar. It worked perfectly after that. |
| 20:18:09 | whardier | 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 kergoth kergoth 1 Jul 5 15:40 heh -> . |
| 20:18:14 | [George] | VerxWork: then dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/cf/romimage |
| 20:18:20 | [George] | VerxWork: then follow the flashing process |
| 20:18:27 | whardier | ./dcc/(Billy_Idol)_Rebel_Yell.mp3 |
| 20:18:28 | whardier | heh |
| 20:18:32 | VerxWork | [George]: Excellent |
| 20:18:39 | VerxWork | very clear, concise instructions |
| 20:18:42 | VerxWork | really appreciate it |
| 20:18:42 | [George] | I accept NO responsibility |
| 20:18:43 | VerxWork | :) |
| 20:18:54 | [George] | If it bricks your Z, then I have NOTHING to do with it |
| 20:18:55 | [George] | hah |
| 20:19:03 | kergoth` | sjohnson: yeah i know. there's a updated ipkg in the feed as well |
| 20:19:04 | kergoth` | sjohnson: heh |
| 20:19:15 | kergoth` | sjohnson: OZ follows ipkg from cvs, so it echos familiar unstable fairly closely |
| 20:19:32 | sjohnson | kergoth`: Ah. |
| 20:19:41 | [George] | VerxWork: btw - don't execute those commands ;) |
| 20:20:03 | kergoth` | whardier: lol.. |
| 20:20:03 | sjohnson | smacks himself after realizing he didn't 'ipkg upgrade' after he flashed the new beta. |
| 20:20:07 | VerxWork | [George]: The rm of / is still running |
| 20:20:13 | VerxWork | should I do a ctrl-c on it then? |
| 20:20:18 | [George] | VerxWork: liar |
| 20:20:19 | [George] | VerxWork: haha |
| 20:20:20 | VerxWork | heheheh |
| 20:20:33 | [George] | VerxWork: It would have finished by now =P |
| 20:21:07 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 48 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: does it flash? [Fri Aug 23 20:32:10 2002] |
| 20:21:07 | [George] | ibot seen sniper |
| 20:21:12 | phatcat625 | 24 minutes to OS 10.2 |
| 20:21:24 | [George] | phatcat625: ? |
| 20:21:31 | phatcat625 | installing it on my ibook |
| 20:21:58 | tux_mike | ... strange |
| 20:22:12 | tux_mike | i recived a reply before the original |
| 20:22:13 | [George] | phatcat625: how much did it cost? |
| 20:22:42 | tux_mike | not impossible with mailing lists, but still strainge |
| 20:22:45 | phatcat625 | i got the student edition |
| 20:22:48 | MSpin | ok guys, I just release kismet_qt 1.1.0. It's at https://sourceforge.net/projects/kismet-qte/ have a blast:) |
| 20:22:49 | phatcat625 | for like $70 |
| 20:23:12 | [George] | phatcat625: cool |
| 20:23:20 | phatcat625 | they all say it's faster, i have yet to see |
| 20:23:21 | whardier | glib compile |
| 20:23:23 | whardier | hits the showers |
| 20:23:24 | [George] | phatcat625: I wonder if I classify as a student? |
| 20:23:26 | [George] | phatcat625: I'm 14 :) |
| 20:23:49 | Onyx4 | damn I hate that, I just modified a file under /etc/rc.d and now when I rebooted, it hung there at the screen before it displays the new kernel logo, have to do full reset |
| 20:23:59 | anselor | how complete do our submissions have to be? |
| 20:24:03 | phatcat625 | George: yep, you count |
| 20:24:10 | phatcat625 | but you have to order on the Apple store |
| 20:24:15 | [George] | phatcat625: hrmm |
| 20:24:19 | [George] | phatcat625: I'm in UK :) |
| 20:24:21 | phatcat625 | George: what mac do you have |
| 20:24:23 | [George] | phatcat625: Just checking eBay atm |
| 20:24:32 | VerxWork | ok |
| 20:24:34 | [George] | phatcat625: tibook 667Mhz old one (16MB gfx card, no L3) |
| 20:24:38 | VerxWork | installs things to SD now |
| 20:24:40 | VerxWork | hey |
| 20:24:43 | VerxWork | in peoples experience |
| 20:24:55 | VerxWork | how "horrible" is SD for launching apps from compared to CF? |
| 20:25:01 | phatcat625 | George: I have the original Icebook |
| 20:25:03 | [George] | VerxWork: it's slow |
| 20:25:07 | [George] | phatcat625: cool |
| 20:25:18 | VerxWork | ok |
| 20:25:21 | phatcat625 | George: at the time the powerbooks and the ibook wasn't all that different |
| 20:25:35 | VerxWork | I will install all the networking apps to SD then |
| 20:25:40 | VerxWork | and everything else to CF |
| 20:25:46 | VerxWork | that way when I get a wireless CF card |
| 20:25:48 | phatcat625 | George: you have a zaurus too? |
| 20:25:49 | VerxWork | my apps will run from SD |
| 20:25:58 | [George] | phatcat625: yes |
| 20:26:11 | phatcat625 | George: 5500 or 5000? |
| 20:26:13 | Onyx4 | Im thinking of not using RAM for packages anymore and just use SD+ROM since I do full reset often |
| 20:26:20 | Onyx4 | that would survive a full reset right |
| 20:26:35 | VerxWork | wow |
| 20:26:41 | VerxWork | SD doesn't seem slow for launching apps at all |
| 20:26:42 | [George] | phatcat625: 5000D |
| 20:26:43 | VerxWork | is surprised |
| 20:26:55 | phatcat625 | George: sweet I just got one on e-bay |
| 20:27:03 | VerxWork | one SECOND to launch konqueror from SD |
| 20:27:18 | phatcat625 | George: what do you have running on it? accessories?? |
| 20:27:20 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: there's a ost by someone about vnc on oz with more information about what's going wrong |
| 20:27:30 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=2437&s=4d514eba5adb69809ab9a676e52f1c6d |
| 20:27:35 | [George] | phatcat625: just a 160MB CF, and a 128MB SD |
| 20:27:45 | Cloudchaser | its the last one in the thread |
| 20:27:48 | phatcat625 | George: no mods? |
| 20:27:54 | [George] | phatcat625: mods? |
| 20:28:02 | anselor | what does this error message mean? "undefined reference to `[classname] virtual table` |
| 20:28:19 | phatcat625 | George: like openzaurus.. |
| 20:28:29 | [George] | phatcat625: not atm |
| 20:28:35 | [George] | phatcat625: I have flashed on OZ and Debian |
| 20:28:44 | [George] | phatcat625: and some strange mods by myself :) |
| 20:28:59 | phatcat625 | George: ah... well i feel like an idiot in here |
| 20:29:03 | [George] | fusion94: you here? |
| 20:29:06 | fusion94 | no |
| 20:29:09 | [George] | phatcat625: nah, doesn't matter ;) |
| 20:29:17 | [George] | fusion94: how much does ADC "Seed" cost? |
| 20:29:19 | phatcat625 | George: you like OZ or debian more? |
| 20:29:29 | [George] | phatcat625: yeh |
| 20:30:29 | [George] | phatcat625: debian's a bit immature, though |
| 20:30:38 | phatcat625 | George: yeah i imagine |
| 20:31:01 | phatcat625 | George: I'm kinda dipping my toes in the waters of *nix |
| 20:31:06 | treke|ho1e | debian on a z seems like a waste |
| 20:31:13 | [George] | treke|ho1e: blah |
| 20:31:38 | phatcat625 | LESS THAN A MINUTE!!!! |
| 20:31:44 | darienm | VerxWork: I moved ALL my apps to SD |
| 20:31:46 | [George] | that means 10 hours? |
| 20:31:52 | VerxWork | darienm: They run ok for you? |
| 20:31:53 | treke|ho1e | [George]: well, it never was meant to run on a space limited environment |
| 20:31:57 | [George] | darienm: except HTML editor ;) |
| 20:32:00 | phatcat625 | George: heh |
| 20:32:02 | [George] | treke|ho1e: hah |
| 20:32:13 | [George] | treke|ho1e: that's why you need a large CF :) |
| 20:32:13 | darienm | VerxWork: they all run fine from SD. |
| 20:32:24 | VerxWork | cool |
| 20:32:30 | phatcat625 | Hey how big of a CF do i need to flash the rom? |
| 20:32:32 | phatcat625 | 16? |
| 20:32:54 | VerxWork | yeah, I figure if konqueror (4.4MB in size) runs in 1 second |
| 20:32:58 | VerxWork | I am pretty happy with it |
| 20:32:58 | VerxWork | :) |
| 20:33:00 | fusion94 | [George]: 3,500 a year |
| 20:33:09 | [George] | fusion94: wtf? seriously |
| 20:33:13 | VerxWork | I just need to buy a 512MB SD card and I will be set |
| 20:33:13 | fusion94 | seriously |
| 20:33:29 | fusion94 | actually |
| 20:33:36 | chouimat | re |
| 20:33:41 | phatcat625 | installation complete! |
| 20:33:55 | fusion94 | i think you get seeds as part of "Select" membership as well, which is like 500 |
| 20:34:09 | phatcat625 | George: new load up screen |
| 20:34:17 | [George] | phatcat625: lol |
| 20:34:24 | [George] | fusion94: can you give me a seed key? *g* |
| 20:34:42 | phatcat625 | George: its the apple logo not the goofy Classic mac with the face |
| 20:34:51 | fusion94 | um no |
| 20:35:10 | fusion94 | it's not mine to bive out |
| 20:35:12 | fusion94 | gove out |
| 20:35:15 | fusion94 | bah |
| 20:35:18 | [George] | lol |
| 20:35:19 | [George] | ok :) |
| 20:35:19 | fusion94 | give out damnit |
| 20:35:26 | fusion94 | i use a friends login |
| 20:35:32 | phatcat625 | George: woah boots up a lot faster |
| 20:35:40 | fusion94 | phatcat625: jaguar ? |
| 20:35:44 | phatcat625 | George: this thing will make your powerbook fly |
| 20:35:47 | [George] | phatcat625: cool |
| 20:35:53 | fusion94 | bah |
| 20:35:55 | [George] | fusion94: heh, damn :) |
| 20:36:00 | darienm | phatcat625: share your screen so we can all see :) |
| 20:36:05 | [George] | finds a "friend" with an ADC account |
| 20:36:06 | fusion94 | i've been saying that jaguar is hella faster for awhile now... |
| 20:36:17 | phatcat625 | can't now i'm on my PC |
| 20:36:21 | fusion94 | heh |
| 20:36:30 | phatcat625 | fusion94: dude don't hate |
| 20:36:30 | fusion94 | there's already a security update out for jaguar already |
| 20:36:31 | darienm | phatcat625: no, your mac OS screen |
| 20:37:01 | phatcat625 | darienm: I can't it's loading next to me |
| 20:37:14 | phatcat625 | besides i forgot it's gotta load stuff from the second disk |
| 20:37:54 | [George] | phatcat625: it's quite fast on my tibook with 10.1.5 :) |
| 20:39:05 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 20:39:09 | VerxWork | 256MB SD for $160 |
| 20:39:11 | phatcat625 | George: you can put quarts extreme on that |
| 20:39:11 | VerxWork | that isn't bad |
| 20:39:21 | [George] | phatcat625: I know :) |
| 20:39:44 | VerxWork | looks like it can be had for $124 |
| 20:39:46 | VerxWork | woohoo |
| 20:39:50 | VerxWork | will be getting one |
| 20:39:50 | VerxWork | :) |
| 20:40:15 | phatcat625 | 10.1.5 is not bad on the ibook either |
| 20:40:33 | [George] | VerxWork: ? |
| 20:40:41 | VerxWork | [George]: 256MB SD card |
| 20:40:48 | VerxWork | the 512MB ones aren't available quite yet |
| 20:40:54 | phatcat625 | dude, too bad you can't flash from SD |
| 20:41:01 | VerxWork | I know |
| 20:41:16 | phatcat625 | it sucks i'm gonna have to buy two cards |
| 20:41:39 | phatcat625 | VerxWork: if i just want to flash the ROM i should only need a 16 MB CF right? |
| 20:41:43 | VerxWork | which two phatcat? |
| 20:41:57 | VerxWork | phatcat625: Well, I would have thought so, but the docs say MINIMUM of 32MB |
| 20:42:02 | VerxWork | I use a 40MB card for it, works fine |
| 20:42:32 | fusion94 | [George]: http://fusion94.org/jaguar-shot.jpg |
| 20:42:42 | phatcat625 | VerxWork: how much will that run me? |
| 20:42:52 | VerxWork | phatcat625: Shouldn't be much at ALL |
| 20:42:56 | VerxWork | something like $15 - $20 |
| 20:43:01 | VerxWork | CF is dirt cheap |
| 20:43:03 | oGMo | VerxWork: no, you need more than 16 because the FS takes some and the ospack is exactly 16 |
| 20:43:08 | phatcat625 | fusion94: nice background |
| 20:43:20 | chouimat | fusion94: nice |
| 20:43:32 | phatcat625 | oGMo: what size do you recommend |
| 20:43:34 | fusion94 | thx |
| 20:43:53 | oGMo | phatcat625: 256 ;) it holds more mp3s when you're done ;) |
| 20:44:03 | oGMo | i just got one for like $95 off amazon |
| 20:44:03 | [George] | fusion94: loading |
| 20:44:08 | phatcat625 | i have an ipod, i don't need the MP3 |
| 20:44:32 | [George] | fusion94: ahh ffs, I want it |
| 20:44:41 | chouimat | fusion94: did you see http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 |
| 20:44:48 | [George] | fusion94: btw - where did you get that nifty background? |
| 20:45:12 | phatcat625 | yeah really dude hook us up |
| 20:45:31 | oGMo | phatcat625: ok then it holds more games when you're done |
| 20:45:35 | fusion94 | chouimat: scam or scan ? |
| 20:45:37 | oGMo | monkey island has 31mb of mp3s you'll want |
| 20:45:46 | chouimat | fusion94: it's a typo |
| 20:45:50 | [George] | phatcat625: I'll look into the student discount :) |
| 20:45:53 | fusion94 | [George]: http://ekud.deviantart.com |
| 20:45:59 | fusion94 | chouimat: just checking :P |
| 20:46:13 | chouimat | fusion94: comments? |
| 20:46:31 | fusion94 | looks all right |
| 20:46:31 | [George] | chouimat: yah, I designed the UI! =P |
| 20:46:33 | [George] | ducks |
| 20:46:34 | fusion94 | oh |
| 20:46:36 | fusion94 | and btw |
| 20:46:49 | chouimat | [George]: you corrected it |
| 20:46:49 | fusion94 | those of you on OSX, if you arent using Space you should be |
| 20:47:08 | [George] | chouimat: heh |
| 20:47:17 | chouimat | [George]: fixed :) |
| 20:47:33 | [George] | I de-b0rked it |
| 20:47:39 | VerxWork | anyone here ever installed the tkcTheKompany apps to SD (things like calendar or datebook) ? |
| 20:47:45 | darienm | fusion94: space ? |
| 20:48:03 | fusion94 | darienm: it's a virtual desktop application app for OSX |
| 20:48:33 | chouimat | [George]: brb. must go play with my cat because if I don't I won't be able to work tonight :) |
| 20:48:35 | darienm | and I can get it where? |
| 20:48:38 | fusion94 | VerxWork: nah, theKompany stuff sucks, i hear the owner/founder is a real prick |
| 20:48:46 | fusion94 | darienm: http://space.sf.net |
| 20:48:56 | fusion94 | darienm: source and bianries available |
| 20:49:17 | [George] | fusion94: hahahaha |
| 20:50:33 | [George] | hrmm |
| 20:50:41 | [George] | 70 GBP for OS X 10.2 for Students |
| 20:50:43 | [George] | not worth is |
| 20:50:46 | [George] | not worth it ;) |
| 20:51:15 | comfrey | i m having a lousy time getting zic installed on OZ |
| 20:51:36 | comfrey | could not open ... zic.list |
| 20:51:54 | comfrey | anyone know of an ipkg that works? |
| 20:53:08 | [George] | DVD Player requires a DVD-ROM equipped Macintosh with built-in FireWire. |
| 20:53:14 | [George] | Why with built in firewire? |
| 20:53:17 | [George] | i mean, that's stupid |
| 20:54:06 | chouimat | [George]: try gnutella :) |
| 20:54:10 | sumeet_p | [George] have you looked at HAVi - http://www.havi.org |
| 20:54:42 | [George] | sumeet_p: no, what is it? |
| 20:54:57 | [George] | gah, standards crap |
| 20:55:00 | [George] | I gtg |
| 20:55:00 | [George] | bye |
| 20:55:04 | fusion94 | [George]: what king of bandwidth you have ? |
| 20:55:08 | fusion94 | kind even |
| 20:55:11 | [George] | 5KB/s |
| 20:55:14 | [George] | ;) |
| 20:55:16 | [George] | 56k |
| 20:55:16 | [George] | heh |
| 20:55:20 | fusion94 | ugh |
| 20:55:33 | [George] | fusion94: why? |
| 20:55:43 | fusion94 | go steal bw from a uni or soemthing |
| 20:55:49 | [George] | bw? |
| 20:55:53 | [George] | why do I want bw |
| 20:55:54 | fusion94 | bandwidth |
| 20:56:04 | [George] | yeh, what do I want it for? |
| 20:56:08 | sumeet_p | [George] I saw it in action in a demo, a single firewire bus lets the A/V components negotiate and then upload soft controllers and offer playback |
| 20:56:23 | [George] | sumeet_p: gah |
| 20:56:34 | whardier | I am your mofo |
| 20:56:41 | [George] | bye |
| 20:57:15 | whardier | http://www.geocities.com/yurtle_t/experiments/tesla.htm |
| 20:57:17 | whardier | NEAT |
| 20:57:38 | mark | anyone know a command line jabber client? |
| 20:58:08 | VerxWork | rofl whardier |
| 20:58:08 | VerxWork | :) |
| 20:58:30 | treke|ho1e | mark: imcom |
| 20:59:30 | mark | treke: cheers |
| 21:01:04 | VerxWork | anyone know if you can use oipkg to install libraries to somewhere other than root? |
| 21:01:05 | chouimat | whardier: :) |
| 21:01:10 | VerxWork | ie - to SD or CF. . . |
| 21:06:52 | fusion94 | bah |
| 21:06:56 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:07:00 | whardier | I have a something for you |
| 21:07:23 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/double.png |
| 21:07:25 | whardier | how did I do that? |
| 21:07:27 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:07:53 | kergoth` | VerxWork: it'll work fine |
| 21:08:02 | kergoth` | VerxWork: assuming the filesystem you're installing to can handle symlinks |
| 21:08:09 | VerxWork | ahhhh |
| 21:08:12 | VerxWork | it cannot |
| 21:08:16 | VerxWork | it is FAT |
| 21:08:20 | kergoth` | there yag o |
| 21:08:24 | kergoth` | s/yag o/ya go/ |
| 21:08:27 | VerxWork | I was told absolutely NOT to format SD as ext2 |
| 21:08:32 | VerxWork | or more specifically |
| 21:08:43 | VerxWork | I was told NOT to reformat SD from how it arrives from the factory |
| 21:08:51 | VerxWork | because it would likely render it unusable |
| 21:09:13 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:09:14 | whardier | heh |
| 21:09:15 | whardier | I like MMC |
| 21:09:16 | kergoth` | wouldnt know, doesnt have a sd or mmc |
| 21:09:22 | whardier | anyways |
| 21:09:25 | kergoth` | whardier: we'll have the nifyt ipaq mmc driver soon |
| 21:09:36 | whardier | I have my MMC formated as ext2 |
| 21:09:37 | whardier | what else? |
| 21:09:48 | mickeyl | VerxHome: could be or couldn't. there are some cards which only work if you leave their partition table unmodified |
| 21:09:52 | whardier | I am not gonna install linux based shit on vfat |
| 21:10:02 | whardier | maybe umsdos.. |
| 21:10:06 | whardier | but.. nothing else |
| 21:10:07 | VerxWork | well |
| 21:10:10 | VerxWork | my card is MMC |
| 21:10:17 | VerxWork | 64MB MMC from Memorex |
| 21:10:22 | mickeyl | personally, i have ext2 on my SD and have linked /opt/QtPalmtop to /mnt/sd/opt/QtPalmtop, which gives me room for the WHOLE opie :)) |
| 21:10:35 | whardier | VerxWork they are covering their asses |
| 21:10:39 | whardier | format it as ext2 |
| 21:10:40 | mickeyl | let me add... without install symlink hell |
| 21:10:42 | whardier | if it failes to work |
| 21:10:46 | whardier | cat /dev/urandom at it |
| 21:10:48 | whardier | and send it back to them |
| 21:10:54 | VerxWork | whardier: rofl |
| 21:11:03 | whardier | heh |
| 21:11:07 | Onyx4 | ugh, is there any way to kill all dead symlinks when I wanted to switch an app from ram to SD? |
| 21:11:22 | whardier | you kill them all by manually finding them :) |
| 21:11:45 | whardier | or running it thru an if exists sh script loop |
| 21:12:21 | Onyx4 | will oipkg remove the symlink when uninstalling them? |
| 21:13:03 | Onyx4 | or that the ln command launcher by opig should have a "overwrite" parameter to it |
| 21:13:13 | Onyx4 | so that the symlink gets overwritten |
| 21:14:07 | whardier | starts beaming shit |
| 21:14:24 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 21:14:34 | VerxWork | suddenly my Z is refusing SSH connections |
| 21:14:39 | VerxWork | wonders why |
| 21:15:37 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:15:43 | VerxWork | ssh is refusing to start now. . . |
| 21:15:45 | VerxWork | doesn't like this |
| 21:16:18 | kergoth` | Onyx4: it cleans up after itself. |
| 21:16:35 | kergoth` | Onyx4: when you remove in oipkg it should remove the links.. someone reported it wasnt though, so it may be a bug |
| 21:16:52 | Onyx4 | well the problem is that I had to do full reset |
| 21:16:58 | Onyx4 | so my ram got flushed, but the links stayed there |
| 21:17:02 | VerxWork | kergoth: Any idea why SSH wouldn't be starting from an /etc/init.d/ssh start command? |
| 21:17:09 | VerxWork | I mean, like a known OZ issue |
| 21:17:15 | Onyx4 | maybe I just need to remove them and re-install again |
| 21:17:15 | kergoth` | Onyx4: ahh gotcha |
| 21:17:25 | kergoth` | VerxWork: works flawless here |
| 21:17:35 | kergoth` | VerxWork: if it didnt work, you'd never have been able to ssh into the Z |
| 21:17:36 | Onyx4 | so the "ln" hopefully has a "overwrite" parameter |
| 21:17:43 | Onyx4 | I got a few "permission denied" from ln when installing |
| 21:17:49 | VerxWork | oh |
| 21:17:49 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 21:17:51 | VerxWork | criminy |
| 21:17:58 | VerxWork | I overwrote see why |
| 21:18:08 | kergoth` | VerxWork: also, elaborating on 'it doesnt work' would be a good thing |
| 21:18:08 | kergoth` | heh |
| 21:18:09 | VerxWork | I had a problem installing libcrypto |
| 21:18:12 | VerxWork | for tkcmail |
| 21:18:15 | kergoth` | um |
| 21:18:16 | kergoth` | dood |
| 21:18:17 | VerxWork | and so I uninstalled it |
| 21:18:19 | kergoth` | you had libcrypto already. |
| 21:18:21 | VerxWork | and um |
| 21:18:23 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 21:18:25 | VerxWork | I had it already |
| 21:18:26 | VerxWork | so um |
| 21:18:29 | VerxWork | I need it now |
| 21:18:29 | VerxWork | :) |
| 21:18:34 | kergoth` | so reinstall the ssh packages |
| 21:18:39 | kergoth` | -force-reinstall |
| 21:18:40 | kergoth` | heh |
| 21:19:53 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 21:19:59 | VerxWork | libcrypto isn't in the feed |
| 21:20:01 | VerxWork | the oz feed |
| 21:20:59 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 21:21:07 | VerxWork | perhaps I can install libssl0.9.6 and get it going |
| 21:22:12 | VerxWork | nope |
| 21:22:16 | mark | hi all |
| 21:23:07 | mark | jeez its hot in here with 2 PCs and 600 watts of lights on |
| 21:25:52 | Onyx4 | kergoth: it doesn't seem to cleanup itself |
| 21:26:11 | Onyx4 | kergoth: i removed the packages and re-installed and the symlink is still pointing to /mnt/ram instead of /mnt/card |
| 21:26:53 | whardier | man Ihave a sexy kitty |
| 21:27:16 | whardier | woot |
| 21:27:18 | VerxWork | can someone dns www.handhelds.org for me? |
| 21:27:20 | whardier | new busybox |
| 21:27:56 | whardier | man my cat is cute |
| 21:27:58 | Onyx4 | kergoth: you need to add the -f parameter to the "ln" command |
| 21:28:07 | Onyx4 | kergoth: it'll replace links with new ones when installing packages |
| 21:29:17 | chouimat | re |
| 21:29:36 | darienm | EEK |
| 21:29:45 | darienm|away | gone for the weekend.... bye |
| 21:29:56 | chouimat | bye darienm|away |
| 21:32:08 | bugix | VerxHome: 192.58.209.91 |
| 21:32:15 | Onyx4 | mmm my 256mb CF card shows up as 245mb weird.. |
| 21:32:17 | chouimat | hey tux_mike |
| 21:32:31 | tux_mike | hey |
| 21:32:38 | chouimat | Onyx4: formatted? |
| 21:32:45 | mark | hi tux |
| 21:32:50 | Onyx4 | maybe it's not well formatted, let me put it in the camera |
| 21:32:52 | VerxWork | thanks bugix |
| 21:33:03 | tux_mike | grumbles over his not-werking program |
| 21:33:18 | chouimat | tux_mike: which prog |
| 21:33:47 | tux_mike | my game |
| 21:33:58 | anse|or | has anyone else gotten "failed to bind or listen to the socket" with qserversocket? |
| 21:34:08 | chouimat | tux_mike: which game |
| 21:34:25 | tux_mike | it's a bejeweled clone |
| 21:35:15 | chouimat | trying to found why some of the message type are not handled correctly |
| 21:35:27 | Onyx4 | chouimat: yes it's formatted now |
| 21:35:28 | Onyx4 | same thing |
| 21:35:47 | chouimat | Onyx4: hmmm |
| 21:35:55 | tux_mike | i've gotta start looking at things |
| 21:36:05 | Onyx4 | so maybe I should format it in linux instead? |
| 21:36:08 | VerxWork | kergoth |
| 21:36:09 | VerxWork | man |
| 21:36:10 | tux_mike | can anyone answer some questions on debuggers? |
| 21:36:12 | VerxWork | I need some help |
| 21:36:14 | VerxWork | cuz I am an idiot |
| 21:36:16 | VerxWork | :(((( |
| 21:36:34 | VerxWork | I need the libcrypto package that OZ ssh depends on |
| 21:36:36 | chouimat | Onyx4: (256*1000*1000)/1024/1024=244MB |
| 21:36:41 | VerxWork | I installed 0.9.6g-1 |
| 21:36:44 | kergoth` | ? |
| 21:36:46 | VerxWork | but that doesn't work |
| 21:37:00 | kergoth` | dood |
| 21:37:03 | VerxWork | yes? |
| 21:37:08 | Onyx4 | so it's normal then? |
| 21:37:08 | kergoth` | i need more information than 'that doens't work' |
| 21:37:12 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 21:37:12 | VerxWork | oh |
| 21:37:15 | VerxWork | hehehe |
| 21:37:16 | chouimat | VerxWork: working on what? |
| 21:37:16 | VerxWork | well |
| 21:37:24 | VerxWork | I installed 0.9.6g-1 of libcrypto |
| 21:37:35 | kergoth` | from where? |
| 21:37:40 | VerxWork | from ipkgfind |
| 21:37:43 | VerxWork | see |
| 21:37:47 | kergoth` | dont |
| 21:37:47 | chouimat | Onyx4: seems. HD maker use 1000 not 1024 |
| 21:37:48 | VerxWork | libcrypto isn't in the OZ feed |
| 21:37:49 | VerxWork | :( |
| 21:37:53 | VerxWork | so I am sortof stumped |
| 21:37:55 | kergoth` | yes it is |
| 21:37:59 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 21:38:02 | kergoth` | its installed by dfault |
| 21:38:08 | kergoth` | but its not its *seperate* package |
| 21:38:12 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:38:13 | chouimat | VerxWork: need libcrypto for what? |
| 21:38:13 | kergoth` | s/its/a/ |
| 21:38:15 | VerxWork | what package provides it? |
| 21:38:35 | kergoth` | ~$ dpkg -S libcrypto.so |
| 21:38:36 | kergoth` | libssl-dev: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so |
| 21:38:38 | kergoth` | libssl0.9.6: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6 |
| 21:38:43 | kergoth` | libssl0.9.6 does |
| 21:38:51 | kergoth` | heh |
| 21:38:51 | VerxWork | so those two packages |
| 21:38:51 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:38:54 | VerxWork | installs them |
| 21:38:57 | kergoth` | no |
| 21:39:10 | kergoth` | -dev packages are the headers, and are not neeeded on a pda |
| 21:39:13 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:39:14 | kergoth` | i ran that search command on my debian box |
| 21:39:16 | VerxWork | so libssl0.9.6 |
| 21:39:18 | kergoth` | cause OZ echos debian package naming |
| 21:39:23 | kergoth` | teo' |
| 21:39:26 | kergoth` | er |
| 21:39:29 | kergoth` | yep |
| 21:39:50 | Onyx4 | kergoth: you got my msg about the "ln" can you add "-f" to it? |
| 21:39:56 | Onyx4 | for package installer |
| 21:40:10 | kergoth` | Onyx4: post a bug report to opie's bug tracker |
| 21:40:16 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 21:40:19 | VerxWork | thanks kergoth |
| 21:40:24 | kergoth` | Onyx4: I havent the time to wade into opie code, i havent touched the GUI stuff in a while now |
| 21:40:25 | anse|or | i found something that says i just have to wait for the system to free the port, but the port doesn't appear to be used. |
| 21:40:27 | kergoth` | VerxWork: np |
| 21:40:42 | kergoth` | anse|or: check netstat |
| 21:40:49 | Onyx4 | well oipkg calls ipkg right? |
| 21:41:00 | kergoth` | Onyx4: ipkg doesnt do the symlinking |
| 21:41:09 | kergoth` | Onyx4: oipkg does, after it calls ipkg |
| 21:41:14 | Onyx4 | I see |
| 21:41:18 | kergoth` | Onyx4: so its a oipkg problem |
| 21:41:25 | anse|or | kergoth: i did - the port doesn't seem to be in use. |
| 21:41:35 | kergoth` | Onyx4: note: i'm trying to get the familiar folks to dadd symlink/unlinking to ipkg itself |
| 21:41:42 | kergoth` | s/dadd/add/ |
| 21:42:24 | kergoth` | hey [MiniMe] |
| 21:42:55 | [MiniMe] | hi hi kergoth |
| 21:44:34 | mini-austin | hi [MiniMe] |
| 21:45:59 | [MiniMe] | they sure put a lot of that mystery meat on this gyro |
| 21:48:22 | [MiniMe] | I'm full |
| 21:48:38 | [MiniMe] | blah |
| 21:50:00 | comfrey | i am wondering if anyone can tell me if they know of a package zic package that works on oz. |
| 21:50:31 | [MiniMe] | I think zic is abandonware |
| 21:50:53 | chouimat|pdacode | going back to that nessus client |
| 21:50:59 | [MiniMe] | I haven't seen a new version in ages |
| 21:51:16 | comfrey | [MiniMe]: you know of an irc alternative? |
| 21:51:39 | mark_ | comfrey: bitchX in a console? |
| 21:51:41 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth. you around? |
| 21:51:49 | [MiniMe] | i'm using tkcJabber |
| 21:51:53 | [MiniMe] | it is cool |
| 21:52:04 | [MiniMe] | but no one can /msg you |
| 21:52:12 | comfrey | hmm... ten bucks? |
| 21:52:24 | [MiniMe] | I hope they get that feature soon |
| 21:52:24 | comfrey | are they working on the /msg thing? |
| 21:52:35 | Com[Plex] | lol. probably not |
| 21:52:40 | [MiniMe] | ask BigBoss |
| 21:52:40 | oGMo | i dunno why you don't just cross compile irssi or something |
| 21:53:05 | comfrey | needs to set aside some time to cross compile some good stuff |
| 21:53:05 | oGMo | heck it's only 4.4M with all the crap installed for x86 |
| 21:53:20 | [MiniMe] | I think tkcJabber saves me some bandwith |
| 21:53:23 | oGMo | 328k of binaries |
| 21:53:33 | oGMo | er nm |
| 21:53:51 | [MiniMe] | because it doesn't seem like I get all the server BS |
| 21:54:07 | [MiniMe] | like pings and other stuff |
| 21:54:39 | [MiniMe] | good if you are using GPRS like I am right now |
| 21:55:56 | Com[Plex] | hey uh. anyone here usin OZ? I had some questions about it. - ie, network stuff. |
| 21:56:04 | mark_ | [MiniMe]: that sounds expensive |
| 21:56:18 | Com[Plex] | I wasnt able to get my network card to find an IP. - no network control panel ? |
| 21:56:22 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 21:56:30 | [MiniMe] | it can be |
| 21:56:31 | Com[Plex] | I need a second CF card. lol |
| 21:56:54 | | oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 21:56:54 | Com[Plex] | ibot oz |
| 21:56:54 | [MiniMe] | I havent gone over my 1mb of data yet |
| 21:58:11 | | somebody said feed was a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 21:58:11 | Com[Plex] | ibot feed |
| 21:58:27 | VerxWork | ok kergoth |
| 21:58:34 | VerxWork | there is something wrong with your oz image |
| 21:58:38 | VerxWork | I just did a complete reinstall |
| 21:58:50 | VerxWork | and ended up with the SAME EXACT /opt/Qtopia/sounds/touchsound.wav error |
| 21:59:00 | VerxWork | I get an Input/output error on anything that tries to touch it |
| 21:59:48 | Com[Plex] | cant delete it? |
| 22:00:02 | Com[Plex] | have you tried fsck? |
| 22:00:08 | VerxWork | it is in flash rom |
| 22:00:10 | VerxWork | no fsck for it |
| 22:00:14 | Com[Plex] | heh. yuo sure? |
| 22:00:25 | VerxWork | not that I know of anyway |
| 22:00:28 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 22:00:37 | Com[Plex] | but no, then, cant delete it, right? |
| 22:00:44 | VerxWork | exactly |
| 22:00:50 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 22:01:00 | Com[Plex] | I didnt get that error, but I havent tried it either. |
| 22:01:05 | Com[Plex] | wich zimage? |
| 22:01:14 | Com[Plex] | curious |
| 22:01:26 | VerxWork | oh |
| 22:01:27 | VerxWork | my |
| 22:01:29 | Com[Plex] | you got the z in front of you? |
| 22:01:29 | VerxWork | god |
| 22:01:32 | Com[Plex] | ??? |
| 22:01:33 | VerxWork | I think I just made a horrible mistake |
| 22:01:39 | Com[Plex] | haha. oh no? what? |
| 22:01:40 | sumeet_p | what is CVS module for oz, buildroot-oz? |
| 22:01:42 | VerxWork | I don't use /dev/null often |
| 22:01:47 | VerxWork | I mean, I cat to it and such |
| 22:02:01 | VerxWork | I found (earlier) that I was able to mv the problem file |
| 22:02:20 | Com[Plex] | uh.. heheh. |
| 22:02:24 | VerxWork | so I did a mv /opt/Qtopia/sounds/touchsound.wav /dev/null |
| 22:02:26 | VerxWork | which |
| 22:02:32 | VerxWork | is not at ALL what I meant to type |
| 22:02:39 | VerxWork | so I overwrote /dev/null with this problem file |
| 22:02:48 | Com[Plex] | what did you mean to type? |
| 22:03:17 | VerxWork | ok |
| 22:03:19 | VerxWork | what I need to know |
| 22:03:24 | VerxWork | is how to create /dev/null |
| 22:03:24 | VerxWork | :( |
| 22:03:35 | VerxWork | can you show me an ls -al of yours? |
| 22:03:38 | Com[Plex] | uh... maye reflashing is in order |
| 22:03:40 | VerxWork | your /dev/null |
| 22:03:43 | VerxWork | I need to mknod it |
| 22:03:50 | VerxWork | no, I can recreate it |
| 22:03:56 | VerxWork | I just need the major/minor numbers |
| 22:03:58 | Com[Plex] | what about MAKEDEV ? |
| 22:04:02 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 22:04:08 | VerxWork | don't have that |
| 22:04:10 | Com[Plex] | tyo be honest, my Z isnt in working order right now |
| 22:04:17 | Com[Plex] | give me ten minutes and it will be ">? |
| 22:04:18 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 22:05:32 | VerxWork | there we go |
| 22:05:35 | VerxWork | mknod null c 1 3 |
| 22:05:39 | VerxWork | that got it I believe |
| 22:05:42 | tux_mike | kergoth: ping |
| 22:05:45 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 22:06:32 | Com[Plex] | MAKEDEV - create devices MAKEDEV is a script that will create the devices in /dev used to interface with drivers in the kernel. |
| 22:06:37 | Com[Plex] | blah balh |
| 22:06:41 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 22:06:43 | Com[Plex] | shit, I dont knwo what im talking about |
| 22:06:46 | VerxWork | they didn't include it in oz |
| 22:06:50 | VerxWork | so I just used mknod |
| 22:06:51 | VerxWork | worked fine |
| 22:06:57 | VerxWork | ok, bbiaf |
| 22:06:59 | VerxWork | rr break |
| 22:07:02 | Com[Plex] | really? uh |
| 22:07:10 | Com[Plex] | its not in the busybox? |
| 22:07:24 | Com[Plex] | busybox -MAKEDEV --help |
| 22:07:27 | Com[Plex] | o something like that |
| 22:07:35 | Com[Plex] | as I said. I dont really know what im doing. I just pretend to.. :> |
| 22:08:07 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:11:58 | tux_mike | hey, has anyone done a 2 dimensional vector? |
| 22:15:45 | KallDrexx | how long does the z last while playing mp3's or movies? |
| 22:17:46 | chouimat|pdacode | KallDrexx: don't know |
| 22:20:54 | DrBoB | it will last longer playing MP3s than playing Movies...that much I do know |
| 22:21:07 | KallDrexx | I don't doubt it |
| 22:21:07 | mark_ | KallDrexx: not long enough. |
| 22:21:17 | mark_ | tux_mike: how do you mean? |
| 22:21:27 | Com[Plex] | question, regarding OZ. Im having some issues getting my NIC working.. does the IPKG installed allow me to install apps from the FEED over my nic card? |
| 22:21:33 | mark_ | tux_mike: vectors _are_ two dimensional, no? |
| 22:22:03 | KallDrexx | mark_ why not long enough? |
| 22:22:26 | comfrey | KallDrexx: no more than 2hrs |
| 22:22:34 | KallDrexx | hm |
| 22:22:37 | tux_mike | mark QVector is like an array |
| 22:22:41 | KallDrexx | anyone here use digipower? |
| 22:22:56 | mark_ | tux_mike: oh, I thought you were talking about math :P |
| 22:23:02 | DrBoB | comfrey: you might need PPPOE to do that... |
| 22:23:02 | tux_mike | no, QVector |
| 22:23:14 | tux_mike | any thoughts? |
| 22:23:42 | DrBoB | oops..I meant Complex |
| 22:24:08 | comfrey | DrBoB: whatchu mean? PPPoE... ? |
| 22:24:09 | Com[Plex] | I dont use pppoe. I ahev 32 static IP addressess |
| 22:24:13 | Com[Plex] | thanx tho |
| 22:24:23 | comfrey | DrBoB: to do what? |
| 22:24:28 | DrBoB | THat's what I get for trying to chat on my belly in bed |
| 22:24:40 | Com[Plex] | I think I need netbase. 0809 |
| 22:25:04 | Com[Plex] | anyone here using the latest OZ with a NIC card? |
| 22:25:41 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/gui_demo1.png |
| 22:25:42 | whardier | Heh |
| 22:25:58 | DrBoB | to install apps (with the built in QT installer) I think you would need somesort of link with pppoe |
| 22:26:05 | jbardin | z0r |
| 22:26:16 | jbardin | anyone familar with php's addslashes and stripslashes? |
| 22:26:34 | jbardin | and does anyone know a similar methoid that works with QStrings? |
| 22:26:36 | comfrey | Com[Plex]: yeah i use oz with 802.11 |
| 22:26:41 | mark_ | whardier: what is that? |
| 22:26:56 | whardier | mark_ boredom: |
| 22:27:01 | Com[Plex] | comf, I want to use it over regular nic, not wireless. the wireless is like a modem compared to my nic |
| 22:27:11 | mark_ | whardier: ellaborate |
| 22:27:28 | whardier | mark_: boredom w/ gimp |
| 22:27:36 | mark_ | whardier: ah, pity :) |
| 22:27:40 | Com[Plex] | although, if i cant get it to start up my Nic and get info from DHCP, then Ill use wireless. |
| 22:27:59 | DrBoB | because you are geting the files from a website on the net .... so that means some sort of interface like pppoe |
| 22:28:02 | Com[Plex] | does the IPKG installer app allow the update of apps from the feed over the usb cradle? |
| 22:28:19 | junxster | Anyone know what's going on w/bestbuy and the z? I went by there today to get one and they had none, and said sharp had stopped making them |
| 22:28:35 | mark_ | junxster: they've lost the contract apparently |
| 22:28:46 | junxster | ohhh. ok. weird. |
| 22:28:59 | treke|ho1e | junxster: Bestbuy no longer carries them, but Compusa does now |
| 22:29:24 | Com[Plex] | pppoe is point to point over ethernet. its just like using dialup over a modem to get an internet connection, only your doing it over your network card and dsl/cable isntead. its a really weak way of adding securuty to a network connection. requiribng loins from the user instead of building Bootp tables with Nic addressess from Modems. |
| 22:29:30 | junxster | ok, cool. anyone know what they are going for there? (compusa) |
| 22:29:42 | junxster | bestbuy had it for $345. that seemed pretty good |
| 22:29:47 | DrBoB | check ou pricewatch.com ...youcan get a z for around $330 |
| 22:29:57 | EditorGarfield | Is there some reason why I can't download the latest OZ initrd.bin? |
| 22:30:17 | junxster | DrBoB: i know, but i want it tomorrow... :) |
| 22:30:49 | jbardin | hmm so no one has anyidea how i could add/remove slashes in a string... |
| 22:31:04 | VerxWork | EditorGarfield: Works fine for me |
| 22:31:07 | VerxWork | I just downloaded it |
| 22:31:26 | EditorGarfield | Drat. I've been trying to download it for 3 days, the browser always sits and thinks in perpetuity |
| 22:31:27 | junxster | jbardin: you could do it w/awk... |
| 22:31:32 | EditorGarfield | hm. |
| 22:31:33 | junxster | or cut |
| 22:31:35 | whardier | http://handhelds.org/scap/toflip.cgi?fn=port.13971.png |
| 22:31:38 | whardier | that aught to confuse somebody |
| 22:32:08 | Com[Plex] | hey moot |
| 22:32:22 | Com[Plex] | pay attention in here. yuo might learn something |
| 22:32:44 | moot | :/ |
| 22:32:46 | EditorGarfield | Hm. This is good. |
| 22:32:48 | moot | well can i do OZ without a nic? |
| 22:32:54 | EditorGarfield | It's Mozilla that can't download it. |
| 22:32:57 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 22:33:00 | EditorGarfield | Swell. |
| 22:33:22 | moot | well lets do it do it :P |
| 22:34:10 | EditorGarfield | goes to reflash his Z again. |
| 22:35:22 | jbardin | hmm |
| 22:38:17 | DrBoB | where can I get someofthose wacky connectors for the serial port of the Z? Just the connectors...not the inflated, overpriced cable from Sharp |
| 22:39:11 | Onyx4 | any of you have a 256mb compact flash ? |
| 22:39:46 | Cloudchaser | i do |
| 22:41:19 | VerxWork | I do as well |
| 22:41:22 | VerxWork | several |
| 22:41:27 | EditorGarfield | Why does it jam at 53% |
| 22:42:37 | Onyx4 | ok when you go into shell and type "df -h" how many MB it shows up? |
| 22:42:50 | Onyx4 | as the device size |
| 22:44:27 | Com[Plex] | uh. where is fdisk on this thing? |
| 22:44:28 | Cloudchaser | ack |
| 22:44:32 | moot | it isnt |
| 22:44:35 | moot | you need to download it |
| 22:44:40 | Cloudchaser | i just turned on z and its rebooting! |
| 22:45:11 | DrBoB | what do you you need fdisk for? |
| 22:45:12 | VerxWork | /dev/hda1 243.5M 55.8M 187.7M 23% /mnt/cf |
| 22:45:18 | Onyx4 | ok cool |
| 22:45:21 | VerxWork | that is what I get Onyx4 |
| 22:45:23 | Onyx4 | I thought I was wasting space |
| 22:45:30 | Onyx4 | it doesn't say 256mb :) |
| 22:45:35 | VerxWork | mine is formated vfat |
| 22:45:37 | Onyx4 | me too |
| 22:45:39 | VerxWork | just so's ya know |
| 22:45:40 | VerxWork | ok |
| 22:45:46 | VerxWork | then they would be good to compare with methinks |
| 22:45:50 | VerxWork | ok, I gotta head home |
| 22:45:51 | VerxWork | see you all! |
| 22:46:03 | Onyx4 | he rotation utilty doesn't want to rotate back to normal oops |
| 22:46:09 | Onyx4 | I can't select any of the choices |
| 22:46:33 | DrBoB | if you don't need to partition up the memory..you can just mkfs.ext2 |
| 22:47:02 | DrBoB | I noticed the odd behavior of rotation utility too |
| 22:47:12 | Onyx4 | how do you undo it , just reboot? |
| 22:47:22 | DrBoB | That's what I did |
| 22:47:23 | Onyx4 | or the settings are saved somewhere |
| 22:47:32 | Onyx4 | ok so with ext2 will I get more free space? |
| 22:48:19 | DrBoB | rotation utility doesn't exit properly since I "upgraded" to the 2.38 ROM |
| 22:49:15 | DrBoB | I don't know... it seems about the same amount of space |
| 22:51:01 | EditorGarfield | OZ beta 5 uses the same zImages as beta 4, da? |
| 22:51:10 | moot | si |
| 22:51:17 | EditorGarfield | bon |
| 22:51:55 | DrBoB | what mkfs.ext2 or mkfs.msdos did for me wastoget rid ofthe redundant subdirectories |
| 22:54:13 | DrBoB | be sure to umount first, then mkfs.msdos, then mount /dev/mmdac1 /mnt/card (for sd cards) |
| 22:54:24 | Onyx4 | yeah my SD card is clean now |
| 22:54:44 | Onyx4 | I just reflashed openzaurus, cause I wanted all my apps now on the SD instead of RAM |
| 22:54:49 | seth | join opie |
| 22:54:51 | Onyx4 | I won't use ram for storage anymore, I reset to often |
| 22:54:58 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:54:59 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 22:55:13 | Onyx4 | that way I don't lose anything ... maybe ill switch to kernel-64 |
| 22:55:58 | Com[Plex] | moot just screwed up his CF card.. anyone know how to get it back? formatting isnt working |
| 22:56:01 | Com[Plex] | it wont mount |
| 22:56:16 | Com[Plex] | it says, Device size reported to be zero. Invalid partition on specified, or partition table wasn't reread after running fdisk, due to a mondified partition being busy and in use. You may need to reboot to re-read your partition table. |
| 22:59:20 | moot | hehe |
| 23:00:46 | chouimat|pdacode | try a CF IDE adapter in a PC, an dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev??? |
| 23:01:24 | Onyx4 | or a digital camera , reformat there |
| 23:01:44 | moot | dont have either |
| 23:01:59 | moot | cam uses MS, and dont have a reader |
| 23:02:23 | Com[Plex] | well be set when he gets fdisk reinstalled |
| 23:03:45 | whardier | cries |
| 23:04:11 | chouimat|pdacode | whardier: do you need to talk? |
| 23:04:17 | whardier | I need a beer |
| 23:04:21 | whardier | so unless your a bartender |
| 23:04:23 | whardier | you need to scat |
| 23:05:20 | chouimat|pdacode | waves a certain finger at whardier |
| 23:06:47 | ljp | could have sworn he saw whardier walking from the local court house about 2 hours ago |
| 23:07:48 | chouimat|pdacode | listens to Floatsam & Jetsam |
| 23:08:36 | ljp | wow.. so many @ here now |
| 23:08:58 | chouimat|pdacode | ljp: ??? |
| 23:09:13 | phatcat625 | anyone in here own a mac? |
| 23:09:56 | chouimat|pdacode | phatcat625: Fleetwood mac? |
| 23:09:57 | ljp | I own an apple monitor |
| 23:10:10 | ljp | I used to eat big macs |
| 23:10:25 | phatcat625 | wow... you guys are hillarious |
| 23:10:42 | Com[Plex] | yep |
| 23:11:37 | Onyx4 | mmm kismet runs, but the kismet_curses doesn't start |
| 23:11:49 | ljp | its because owning a zaurus makes to go crazy |
| 23:13:57 | phatcat625 | well mine's coming so i guess i'm joining the club |
| 23:14:21 | ljp | woooohhhaaa! |
| 23:14:40 | Cloudchaser | hiya ljp |
| 23:14:48 | Cloudchaser | how's things today? |
| 23:14:53 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 23:15:04 | whardier | ? |
| 23:15:21 | whardier | ljp: haha. |
| 23:15:29 | Cloudchaser | oh and hiya whardier |
| 23:15:33 | whardier | ljp: I was nowhere near a courthouse |
| 23:15:34 | Cloudchaser | happy friday ;) |
| 23:15:35 | whardier | hiya Cloudchaser |
| 23:15:38 | whardier | yeas |
| 23:15:40 | ljp | ahh ok. good |
| 23:15:41 | whardier | happy friday to you to |
| 23:15:52 | whardier | ljp: HEH! you wanna go see a movie! |
| 23:15:59 | ljp | today suckt |
| 23:16:09 | Cloudchaser | aww..:( |
| 23:16:11 | ljp | what.. on your zaurus? |
| 23:16:19 | chouimat|pdacode | is finish is beta and if he gets one, good and if he don't., meilleure chance la prochaine fois |
| 23:16:21 | whardier | no |
| 23:16:27 | whardier | is bored and wants to go watch a movie |
| 23:16:34 | whardier | but nobody is around to go with him |
| 23:16:36 | ljp | is more than broke |
| 23:16:44 | whardier | hah damn.. thats everybodies story |
| 23:17:04 | chouimat|pdacode | is not in the same town |
| 23:17:16 | whardier | otherwise you would give me the bird to my face |
| 23:17:35 | ljp | although it would be fun to drive.... anywhere |
| 23:17:39 | moot | yar |
| 23:17:44 | moot | sticks it to his cf card |
| 23:17:48 | moot | fixed :) |
| 23:19:26 | whardier | bah.. well if you get bored.. the number is 388-0361 |
| 23:19:37 | ljp | cloud: I have to reflash oz because of something funky after fbvncserver .. opie freezes on boot now |
| 23:19:48 | chouimat|pdacode | whardier: in 418? |
| 23:20:05 | whardier | ChanServ 970 |
| 23:20:09 | whardier | err |
| 23:20:10 | whardier | chouimat|pdacode |
| 23:20:10 | whardier | heh |
| 23:20:28 | chouimat|pdacode | whardier: 970 where the hell is that? |
| 23:20:38 | whardier | whats ChanServ doing in here.. does it really need to be in here to enforce it? |
| 23:20:40 | ljp | bum funk egypt |
| 23:20:48 | whardier | chouimat|pdacode colorado |
| 23:21:05 | whardier | hmm |
| 23:21:10 | whardier | what formats can opie-reader read? |
| 23:21:27 | ljp | 1st week of school.. shouldnt there be a bunch of parties there? |
| 23:21:37 | whardier | yeah |
| 23:21:39 | whardier | no car |
| 23:21:48 | ljp | hmm |
| 23:21:57 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:21:59 | treke|ho1e | whardier: text, aportis doc, bziped text, agpms |
| 23:22:04 | whardier | this is my friend lORN |
| 23:22:11 | whardier | he will drink your frat beer |
| 23:22:18 | ljp | no beer.. rum |
| 23:22:20 | treke|ho1e | whardier: its just qt-reader |
| 23:22:31 | ljp | beer is for frat boys |
| 23:22:37 | whardier | treke|hole: keep in mind I never used qt-reader |
| 23:22:46 | whardier | heh |
| 23:22:54 | whardier | slaps a text file to it |
| 23:22:57 | treke|ho1e | whardier: Thats why I also listed the file types :) |
| 23:23:30 | ljp | damn its football season |
| 23:23:34 | treke|ho1e | its a pretty good program, although unstable |
| 23:23:44 | ljp | no xfiles tonight |
| 23:23:45 | Cloudchaser | hey ljp: check this out: |
| 23:23:49 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=2437&s=4d514eba5adb69809ab9a676e52f1c6d |
| 23:23:54 | whardier | I gave it a txt file |
| 23:23:56 | whardier | it shows me nothing |
| 23:24:00 | whardier | hates and despises it |
| 23:24:19 | treke|ho1e | what kind of text file |
| 23:24:29 | treke|ho1e | I gave it a text file and it showed me much |
| 23:24:32 | whardier | he kind with text in it |
| 23:24:55 | treke|ho1e | weird |
| 23:25:40 | Com[Plex] | uh... question.. |
| 23:25:45 | whardier | spiff |
| 23:25:47 | whardier | it locked up my Z |
| 23:25:56 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
| 23:26:04 | Com[Plex] | anyone here using OZ? |
| 23:26:15 | treke|ho1e | only problems I've had is that it takes forever to load big files, and it tends to crash on me |
| 23:26:20 | Com[Plex] | I want to know, if it supports using the cradle to update the ipks. |
| 23:26:22 | ljp | hmm |
| 23:26:28 | whardier | so say.. if you wanted to read a book |
| 23:26:30 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:26:33 | whardier | you couldn't use the reader |
| 23:26:37 | whardier | you are stuck with vi :) |
| 23:26:44 | treke|ho1e | whardier: gutenbrowser is ok |
| 23:26:57 | treke|ho1e | author is an ass though |
| 23:26:57 | ljp | ok?!? |
| 23:27:01 | Com[Plex] | because, moot here has no reader, so he needs to be able to get ipks from wherever, the feed, his pc, etc. onto the Z. |
| 23:27:02 | ljp | heh |
| 23:27:19 | Com[Plex] | anyone care to tell me if OZ works through the cradle? |
| 23:27:22 | Com[Plex] | KERGOTH |
| 23:27:23 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 23:27:23 | ljp | I have bene working on better file handling so someone can read frickin war and peace |
| 23:27:27 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yes |
| 23:27:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:27:32 | Com[Plex] | anyone care to tell me if OZ works through the cradle? |
| 23:27:34 | Com[Plex] | because, moot here has no reader, so he needs to be able to get ipks from wherever, the feed, his pc, etc. onto the Z. |
| 23:27:37 | treke|ho1e | qpe-reader was the bomb though |
| 23:27:38 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yes, again. |
| 23:28:22 | Com[Plex] | okay... anything I should know about before starting? |
| 23:28:45 | treke|ho1e | what I dont get is why everyone loads the whole file into memory |
| 23:28:53 | whardier | that bothers me |
| 23:28:53 | kergoth | /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf contains the Z side usb network config |
| 23:28:57 | whardier | there is such a thing as seeking |
| 23:29:13 | treke|ho1e | (although i understand why the pagination is a pain) |
| 23:29:36 | Com[Plex] | cool. - how about the NIC card stuff? I want to get my nic card working so I can leech the updates from the feed, but I dont see any network control panel here |
| 23:29:46 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: huh? |
| 23:29:52 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: Settings->Network Setup |
| 23:30:07 | whardier | damn this world! |
| 23:30:09 | whardier | damns it |
| 23:30:13 | whardier | I feel so much better |
| 23:30:14 | kergoth | damns whardier |
| 23:30:14 | [DrEvil] | ok kergoth |
| 23:30:19 | [DrEvil] | I added the Sources line |
| 23:30:23 | [DrEvil] | and it still doesn't work |
| 23:30:27 | whardier | is gonna walk to the theater soon |
| 23:30:29 | treke|ho1e | whardier: you could always write your own reader |
| 23:30:29 | Com[Plex] | thats odd.... |
| 23:30:35 | moot | whoa close one |
| 23:30:35 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: how so? same error? |
| 23:30:40 | [DrEvil] | oh wait |
| 23:30:41 | whardier | treke|hole. no I can bitch about it |
| 23:30:46 | whardier | see if I write one |
| 23:30:49 | moot | i just dropped my z, slid down my tummy, and caught it between my legs before it hit the ground |
| 23:30:49 | whardier | then I forget about things |
| 23:30:51 | whardier | like work |
| 23:31:07 | ljp | has droppe dhis z mor ethan once |
| 23:31:13 | kergoth | too |
| 23:31:17 | ljp | damn thumbs |
| 23:31:20 | whardier | and keyboard |
| 23:31:31 | moot | heh |
| 23:31:31 | ljp | its thses thumbs |
| 23:31:36 | ljp | see! |
| 23:31:49 | [DrEvil] | + echo ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_0.9.6e.orig.tar.gz |
| 23:31:49 | [DrEvil] | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_0.9.6e-1.diff.gz'. Stop. |
| 23:31:49 | [DrEvil] | + rm -rf /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/ipktmp |
| 23:32:29 | ljp | well, I _was_ inspired to write some code |
| 23:32:59 | ljp | hmmpft |
| 23:33:01 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: umm |
| 23:33:11 | chouimat|pdacode | ljp: did you see http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000 |
| 23:33:14 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: try Sources="$(Sources)" \ .. make sure its quoted |
| 23:33:39 | fusion94 | kicks sendmail in the jimmy |
| 23:33:58 | ljp | nope.. whazz that? |
| 23:34:11 | chouimat|pdacode | ljp: go see |
| 23:34:15 | [DrEvil] | that did it |
| 23:34:26 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:34:27 | ljp | I did.. what does that do? |
| 23:34:37 | [DrEvil] | now I need to clean this mk file up |
| 23:34:45 | chouimat|pdacode | ljp: nessus client for the zaurus. |
| 23:35:34 | chouimat|pdacode | ljp: must send it before 23h59 EST |
| 23:35:44 | ljp | needs a brainwave reader |
| 23:36:48 | jbardin | this is like the ultimate newbie question.. |
| 23:36:59 | jbardin | but hgow do i make 'global' variables? |
| 23:37:21 | kergoth | jbardin: declare them outside of any code block |
| 23:37:24 | ljp | put them outside of any class definitions |
| 23:37:47 | kergoth | still doesnt *think* in c++ |
| 23:37:48 | jbardin | wait.. lemme try somethin... |
| 23:37:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:38:04 | ljp | c++ is C with class ! |
| 23:38:17 | narowmind | any one use Tmobile on a zaurus yet ? |
| 23:38:24 | kergoth | ljp: heh, i know what it is! :-P |
| 23:38:37 | narowmind | aka starbucks wifi network |
| 23:39:28 | jbardin | arg.. i have it defined outside of everything in main.cpp yet it still gives me an error |
| 23:40:53 | narowmind | defined?? what ?? |
| 23:41:01 | whardier | wow |
| 23:41:09 | whardier | Eye of the World is a 1.5 meg txt file |
| 23:41:12 | whardier | thats not right |
| 23:41:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:41:17 | kergoth | its a long book |
| 23:41:22 | whardier | not as long as some! |
| 23:41:27 | jbardin | ahh i was making it its own .o file |
| 23:41:29 | kergoth | pfft |
| 23:41:30 | whardier | I refuse to think I have read more than a few megs in my life |
| 23:41:35 | whardier | :) |
| 23:41:43 | kergoth | jordan takes like 150 pages to describe a room |
| 23:41:45 | kergoth | :-P |
| 23:41:51 | whardier | kergoth: Heh! |
| 23:41:54 | whardier | try terry goodkind |
| 23:42:11 | kergoth | yeah, he's a bit more concise.. but its nearly the same fucking story |
| 23:42:13 | kergoth | blah |
| 23:42:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:42:16 | whardier | in his last book it took 550 pages for the main charactor to say a one word sentance |
| 23:42:22 | kergoth | aha |
| 23:42:24 | fusion94 | whardier: if thats the case you must only read comics |
| 23:42:31 | whardier | fusion94: :) |
| 23:42:35 | whardier | I wish man |
| 23:42:40 | chouimat|pdacode | whardier: which book? |
| 23:42:51 | Onyx4 | mmmm opie seems to put all files on my SD card in documents even if they apps |
| 23:42:52 | whardier | which book of Terry Goodkinds? |
| 23:42:52 | kergoth | chouimat|pdacode: terry goodkind's most recent |
| 23:42:56 | whardier | the pillar of creations |
| 23:42:59 | whardier | the pillar of creation |
| 23:43:01 | whardier | the pillars of creation |
| 23:43:03 | whardier | yeah |
| 23:43:04 | chouimat|pdacode | kergoth: don't know |
| 23:43:15 | kergoth | Onyx4: ? yes.. it scans the card for documents.. it doesnt scan the card for applications. |
| 23:43:16 | whardier | bah it was so slow |
| 23:43:23 | kergoth | Onyx4: which is why you have to reinstall apps to SD after reflashing |
| 23:43:26 | whardier | Faith of the Fallen was actually a cool heart felt plot |
| 23:43:31 | whardier | but this last one |
| 23:43:32 | chouimat|pdacode | last one I had read is Redemption of Althalus |
| 23:43:41 | kergoth | whardier: I love the characters in eye of hte world |
| 23:43:41 | Onyx4 | well I just reflashed, then re-installed apps on SD |
| 23:43:46 | whardier | I think Terry has been skinny dipping in too many eel infested puddles |
| 23:43:49 | kergoth | whardier: so i read them even though i'm tired of jordan's shit |
| 23:43:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:43:59 | Neo|Work | hrm. |
| 23:44:01 | whardier | from what I hear.. read Eye of the world |
| 23:44:04 | whardier | and if you know what is good for you |
| 23:44:05 | whardier | stop |
| 23:44:10 | jbardin | ok i dont get it... |
| 23:44:11 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:44:12 | Neo|Work | is away: vacation for > 1 wk |
| 23:44:13 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:44:15 | kergoth | the first book rocked |
| 23:44:18 | Neo|Work | whe |
| 23:44:18 | jbardin | i have a class def and impl file |
| 23:44:30 | jbardin | and a main widget class def and impl file |
| 23:44:33 | jbardin | and a main.cpp file |
| 23:44:34 | whardier | the fact that he actually details prophecy in his book that does not happen until the 7th book |
| 23:44:38 | kergoth | Neo|Work: heh, have a good time |
| 23:44:40 | jbardin | i define db in the main.cpp file |
| 23:44:43 | whardier | is just for this little A.D.D infested mind to handle |
| 23:44:45 | Neo|Work | I'll be mostly home. :)) |
| 23:44:46 | Onyx4 | how can I tell it not to look on the SD card for pictures and stuff |
| 23:44:46 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 23:44:48 | Neo|Work | just not @ work |
| 23:44:50 | jbardin | but in my non main widget class i cant reference it |
| 23:44:55 | jbardin | whats up with that? |
| 23:44:55 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ahh |
| 23:45:32 | kergoth | whardier: I gave up on jordan for the most part.. i read all of l.e. modesetts books, which are good, but they're all the same plot over and over again |
| 23:46:07 | kergoth | whardier: so i tried george r.r. martin .. thats good stuff, but *highly* political in nature |
| 23:46:22 | jbardin | arrg |
| 23:46:29 | whardier | heh! |
| 23:46:32 | whardier | you want a funny book |
| 23:46:35 | kergoth | The Runelords series by David Farland is quite cool as well |
| 23:46:38 | whardier | get the Causmonauts Keep |
| 23:46:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:46:48 | whardier | 60 years in the future |
| 23:46:49 | kergoth | whardier: by whom? |
| 23:46:51 | whardier | microsoft blimps |
| 23:47:03 | whardier | and an underground leugue of linux haxors |
| 23:47:08 | whardier | aliens |
| 23:47:09 | whardier | the whole bit |
| 23:47:22 | whardier | cyborg enhancements |
| 23:47:22 | whardier | heh |
| 23:47:24 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:47:26 | whardier | let me find the book |
| 23:47:28 | ljp | isaak asimov rulez |
| 23:47:29 | whardier | I don't remember his name |
| 23:47:33 | kergoth | ljp: indeed |
| 23:47:44 | kergoth | ljp: that reminds me, i should reread I, Robot one of these days |
| 23:47:47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:48:07 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I just installed mediummount package, and this is now that I started to get 100% cpu usage |
| 23:48:08 | EditorGarfield | As soon as I find it in electronic format. |
| 23:48:14 | Onyx4 | maybe a co-indicence |
| 23:48:19 | kergoth | Onyx4: ahh |
| 23:48:24 | kergoth | EditorGarfield: ? |
| 23:48:58 | kergoth | Terry Brooks new series is damn good, much much better than his old sword of shannara books |
| 23:49:02 | EditorGarfield | I, Robot. :-) |
| 23:49:27 | whardier | alright |
| 23:49:29 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:49:34 | whardier | Ken MaCloud |
| 23:49:37 | whardier | Ken MaCleod |
| 23:49:43 | whardier | Cosmonaut Keep |
| 23:49:48 | whardier | look it up on Amazon |
| 23:49:48 | whardier | heh |
| 23:50:07 | Onyx4 | ok I removed it, and will try running without it see if I get the problem again |
| 23:50:12 | Onyx4 | if not then I'll let you know |
| 23:50:25 | whardier | I used to read Terry Brooks when I was a chillen |
| 23:50:25 | whardier | heh |
| 23:50:40 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:50:48 | kergoth | his new books are worth readin |
| 23:50:58 | kergoth | he finally sticks with a single set of characters for more than *one* book! |
| 23:50:59 | whardier | neat |
| 23:51:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:51:03 | whardier | where should I start then |
| 23:51:06 | kergoth | i hated that |
| 23:51:17 | kergoth | you just get to like the guys in sword of shannara, and he ditches them in the next book.. over and over |
| 23:51:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:51:31 | kergoth | god that pissed me off |
| 23:51:34 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:51:41 | whardier | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451457951/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/104-2933715-0904750 |
| 23:51:43 | whardier | this series rules |
| 23:51:47 | whardier | the author is from my home town |
| 23:51:54 | whardier | I gotta wonder where she comes up with the stuff in this book |
| 23:52:15 | whardier | super awesome books |
| 23:52:31 | whardier | where Terry Goodkind would drag out a torture scene |
| 23:52:42 | whardier | she would have the wits to cut to something new and continue with the book |
| 23:52:48 | whardier | its packed with much more stuff than I am used to reading |
| 23:54:27 | whardier | read the first few pages of Transformations on Amazon.com |
| 23:54:30 | whardier | it has a good intro |
| 23:54:32 | EditorGarfield | I hate it when a company doesn't have a web site. |
| 23:55:12 | Wembly | bbl |
| 23:55:17 | Wembly | st-sg1 |
| 23:55:20 | Wembly | err |
| 23:55:23 | Wembly | sg-sg1 |
| 23:56:02 | chouimat|pdacode | KallDrexx: ping |
| 23:56:58 | whardier | is gonna read the rest of Eye of the world.. on his PDA now |
| 23:57:08 | whardier | this is much nicer than reading the damn book in my living room |
| 23:57:12 | whardier | I can never find a comfy spot |
| 23:57:24 | whardier | watches Gutenbrowser choke |
| 23:57:25 | EditorGarfield | :-) |
| 23:57:30 | ljp | heh |
| 23:57:41 | ljp | ya well.. send me a bug report |
| 23:57:43 | whardier | writes a perl script to take the Eye of the World html.. segregate the chapters.. and retain it all in html |
| 23:58:18 | ljp | gutenbrowser has creaky timbers |
| 23:58:36 | whardier | ljp http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28684.png |
| 23:58:37 | whardier | heh |
| 23:58:53 | EditorGarfield | uh oh. |
| 23:59:03 | EditorGarfield | ipkg update has broken ipkg update, I think. :-) |
| 23:59:25 | ljp | whardier: wait till the next version.. all I need to do is get the backward button going |
| 23:59:51 | ljp | funny.. it works fine on the desktop ;) |
