| 00:00:07 | chouimat | djk-hw: I'm working on it |
| 00:01:34 | djk-hw | chouimat: love to see it when ready |
| 00:01:52 | ciaolinux | chouimat: gpl? |
| 00:01:55 | chouimat | djk-hw: me too :) |
| 00:02:02 | chouimat | ciaolinux: yup |
| 00:02:40 | djk-hw | chouimat: will be the full server version or client to work against a server? |
| 00:02:55 | djk-hw | chouimat: I am look for a stand alone solution |
| 00:02:58 | ciaolinux | chouimat: i also intend it to do gpl (for the challange): do you think that i can first give the binary to contest@zaurus.com and then release it somewhere on the net opensource? |
| 00:03:07 | djk-hw | if possible of course |
| 00:03:20 | chouimat | djk-hw: only the client. |
| 00:03:30 | chouimat | ciaolinux: problem with the protocol? |
| 00:03:50 | ciaolinux | chouimat: what protocol? |
| 00:03:58 | chouimat | ciaolinux: nessus |
| 00:04:12 | ciaolinux | no i am just talking about any app |
| 00:04:27 | chouimat | ciaolinux: ok. |
| 00:04:58 | MarkNovak | yo homies |
| 00:05:09 | MarkNovak | I hear you can transfer straight to CF card from QT Desktop? |
| 00:05:45 | ljp | you heard correctly |
| 00:05:56 | MarkNovak | yes! |
| 00:06:27 | chouimat | djk-hw: I don't currently support the cipher layer |
| 00:07:13 | Onyx4 | Mark, I don't remember if qtopia desktop ask you where you want it transfered |
| 00:07:21 | Onyx4 | I do it over IP (wlan) |
| 00:07:26 | MarkNovak | yeah I dont have that luxury |
| 00:07:30 | MarkNovak | oh onyx |
| 00:07:41 | Onyx4 | but, when you want to transfer do CF, you can't have wireless at same time hehe |
| 00:07:43 | MarkNovak | I got the royal tenenbaums dvd quality to fit just barely on my 256 |
| 00:07:52 | MarkNovak | I can ftp it sometime? |
| 00:07:53 | Onyx4 | so I gotta setup my usb connection somewhere or get a jumper cable for USB |
| 00:08:18 | Onyx4 | I'm trying to do LOTR on 256 :) |
| 00:08:34 | MarkNovak | I got lotr at around 350 (eek) |
| 00:10:02 | ljp | take out the credits |
| 00:10:12 | MarkNovak | oh... |
| 00:10:14 | MarkNovak | damn good thinking |
| 00:10:21 | MarkNovak | I can take out the boring parts at the same time |
| 00:10:49 | MarkNovak | the royal tenenbaums fits perfectly though |
| 00:10:52 | MarkNovak | its a beautiul thing |
| 00:12:04 | Onyx4 | yes credits takes almost 20-30 megs to themselves sometimes |
| 00:12:43 | ljp | and make it mono sound |
| 00:12:54 | MarkNovak | did that |
| 00:13:02 | MarkNovak | 3kb/s |
| 00:13:25 | ljp | hehehe make it black and white :) |
| 00:13:30 | MarkNovak | nah |
| 00:13:46 | MarkNovak | maybe ill make it less than 240x100 |
| 00:14:05 | ljp | make it 3x4 |
| 00:14:12 | MarkNovak | ljp, I hear good things about your player |
| 00:14:12 | Onyx4 | nah resolution isn't really a big issue, it's just the bitrate |
| 00:14:28 | ljp | you mean opie player 2? |
| 00:14:48 | ljp | seems to be becoming less and less mine lately |
| 00:14:51 | MarkNovak | thats the one |
| 00:14:58 | Onyx4 | hehe, it rocks |
| 00:15:22 | ljp | heh probably why its getting better |
| 00:15:32 | DanDaCoder | anyone here use openzaurus? |
| 00:15:36 | MarkNovak | nein |
| 00:15:43 | Onyx4 | some are im sure |
| 00:16:16 | MarkNovak | im seriously going to blow my brains out |
| 00:16:17 | ljp | I do] |
| 00:16:20 | MarkNovak | I hate windows |
| 00:16:22 | Onyx4 | I think with op2, since it's faster, it might be able to play 320x240 with no frame drop, I gotta test it |
| 00:16:33 | Onyx4 | but it sure plays my 320x180 real smootly compared to tkcvideo |
| 00:17:05 | MarkNovak | so do you rotate screen on xine? |
| 00:17:14 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 00:17:20 | Onyx4 | it does that when you hit fullscreen |
| 00:17:26 | ljp | ahh thats nice to hear someone compare the two :) |
| 00:17:46 | MarkNovak | onyx |
| 00:17:56 | MarkNovak | nevermind, talk in query |
| 00:18:06 | Onyx4 | functionality wise, it's already better than tkcplayer, once the small gui bug fixes are done, it's gonna be awesome |
| 00:18:18 | Onyx4 | no sync issues so far, nothing |
| 00:19:07 | MarkNovak | well it sounds like I bought tkcvideo a few days to early... |
| 00:21:20 | ljp | naaa.. tkc's is good too I am sure |
| 00:21:28 | Cloudchaser | yes it is |
| 00:21:38 | ljp | :) |
| 00:21:39 | Cloudchaser | they both are from the looks of it |
| 00:22:01 | nasa | Were is op2? and what does it play? |
| 00:22:59 | ljp | op2 is in pre beta testing |
| 00:23:37 | nasa | oh... |
| 00:24:02 | ljp | lemme find that url for ya |
| 00:24:17 | chouimat|shower | brb |
| 00:24:31 | Onyx4 | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10326601&loc=101 |
| 00:24:39 | Onyx4 | 89$ 256mb compact flash shipping/taxes included |
| 00:24:47 | Onyx4 | that's pretty good for lexar |
| 00:25:12 | Cloudchaser | yeah i got mine lexar for 94 including shipping/taxes |
| 00:25:17 | Onyx4 | any issues with zaurus for lexar CF ? |
| 00:25:59 | ljp | crap, he must shut off his box at night.. |
| 00:26:17 | Cloudchaser | ljp he said he was when he went to sleep |
| 00:26:17 | nasa | That's ok.... |
| 00:27:16 | Onyx4 | I bought my wireless card for 135$ at circuit city, I can get it on the web for 90$ , I think ima return it to the store and order one online :) |
| 00:27:31 | Onyx4 | I can always pay half of my compact flash with that |
| 00:27:32 | nasa | how is samsung cf? |
| 00:27:52 | ciaolinux | does that card work also on the SL5000 |
| 00:27:58 | nasa | newegg has 256 CF for 180 |
| 00:28:05 | Onyx4 | 180? |
| 00:28:15 | Onyx4 | that's expensive |
| 00:28:20 | nasa | http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=20-167-90 |
| 00:28:20 | Onyx4 | buy.com is 89$ |
| 00:28:33 | nasa | nm |
| 00:28:44 | ciaolinux | can you run softwar from there? |
| 00:28:48 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 00:28:55 | Onyx4 | it's faster than SD |
| 00:28:58 | ljp | who shuts off their box at night? |
| 00:29:06 | Cloudchaser | i guess harlekin |
| 00:29:10 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 00:29:11 | nasa | ok, let me try again 512 CF for 180 |
| 00:29:15 | bbeattie | Anyone have an url to a list of file formats supported by the Zaurus? |
| 00:29:16 | Onyx4 | ohh ok |
| 00:29:31 | Onyx4 | formats? video? |
| 00:29:34 | Onyx4 | depends on the application |
| 00:30:06 | ljp | next time I'll just upload it to opie.us |
| 00:30:24 | Onyx4 | 256 is well enough for divx, unless you want stereo sound at 128kbit , then you need 512 |
| 00:31:32 | Onyx4 | which compact flash reader works well in linux? sandisk one? |
| 00:31:37 | Onyx4 | thru usb |
| 00:31:42 | Onyx4 | for the host computer |
| 00:31:59 | Cloudchaser | my cf reader hoses my 256 card |
| 00:32:25 | Onyx4 | ha |
| 00:32:28 | Cloudchaser | actually its pcmcia-->cf adapter |
| 00:32:35 | Cloudchaser | i sent first one back |
| 00:32:40 | scanline | compresses a movie down to 92MB.. the horror! |
| 00:32:55 | Cloudchaser | poor ljp tried to help me for hours |
| 00:32:58 | Onyx4 | 92MB :) |
| 00:33:05 | Cloudchaser | and others too |
| 00:33:07 | treke|home | damn. still no g2s |
| 00:33:15 | Onyx4 | did it screw up the CF card or it's still good? |
| 00:33:20 | Cloudchaser | finally on second one when it did it again |
| 00:33:21 | scanline | this quality reminds me of the 20MB star trek episodes I'd find on gnutella... |
| 00:33:31 | Cloudchaser | i couldnt' format it on windows, linux or z |
| 00:33:38 | treke|home | this is starting to get annoying :) |
| 00:33:38 | Cloudchaser | in desperation i put it in my camera |
| 00:33:39 | scanline | kills mencoder to save more CPU for his 200MB Lain episodes |
| 00:33:48 | Cloudchaser | took for attempts at formatting it |
| 00:33:58 | Cloudchaser | but finally the good old kodak formatted it |
| 00:34:07 | Cloudchaser | for=4 |
| 00:34:17 | Onyx4 | heh phew |
| 00:34:27 | Cloudchaser | now i just copy to it with winscp or samba |
| 00:34:41 | Onyx4 | over USB? I guess I have to do that |
| 00:34:48 | Cloudchaser | wireless and usb |
| 00:34:53 | Cloudchaser | er no |
| 00:34:56 | Cloudchaser | sorry just usb |
| 00:35:01 | Onyx4 | I haven't setup IP over USB yet... but with wireless since you CF slot it jammed you can't do it right |
| 00:35:05 | Cloudchaser | cause if the cf card is in, no wireless |
| 00:35:13 | Cloudchaser | i do it on windows |
| 00:35:14 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 00:35:22 | Onyx4 | ok it's supposed to work in linux too |
| 00:35:23 | Cloudchaser | didn't get usb working on linux yet |
| 00:35:28 | Cloudchaser | didn't even try |
| 00:35:28 | ljp | make _sure_ you say 'Great Googli-Moogli" |
| 00:35:31 | Onyx4 | there is a web page that explains it for zaurus |
| 00:35:36 | Onyx4 | my neither didn't had time yet |
| 00:35:39 | Cloudchaser | that's the ticket ljp! |
| 00:35:58 | Cloudchaser | yeah i know onyx4 it just scared me to try to do it |
| 00:36:11 | Onyx4 | I wanted to keep the craddle for work tough and just use a cf reader at home |
| 00:36:14 | Cloudchaser | i'll try the redhat patch though some day |
| 00:36:31 | Cloudchaser | when i'm feeling really brave |
| 00:36:46 | Onyx4 | I'm gonna have to figure a way out to be able to sync from qtopia-desktop from home to my qtopia-desktop at work without using the zaurus |
| 00:36:56 | Onyx4 | I wanna do a 3 way syncing :) work-home-zaurus |
| 00:37:01 | Neo|Work | From: Richard_D'Avrincourt@... <-- greap having a ' in the From address. That will SURELY work |
| 00:37:06 | bbeattie | what is the highest resolution that any of you have been able to get in divx, that the zaurus can still play at full speed? |
| 00:37:15 | Cloudchaser | oh sure, triple your duplicates |
| 00:37:17 | Onyx4 | with op2 things might change |
| 00:37:31 | Onyx4 | so far it's not more than about 45,000 pixels total |
| 00:37:40 | Onyx4 | so 240x100 or 320x180 |
| 00:38:12 | Onyx4 | sorry 320x136 |
| 00:38:25 | Onyx4 | 240x180 |
| 00:38:39 | Onyx4 | depends on the aspect ratio, but same numbers of pixels |
| 00:38:41 | bbeattie | Onyx4: was that mplayer or tckvideo? |
| 00:38:42 | ljp | hehe op2 raises the bar, eh? |
| 00:38:52 | Onyx4 | I tried both |
| 00:39:05 | bbeattie | Onyx4: pretty close between the two, right? |
| 00:39:21 | Onyx4 | mplayer and tkcvideo are slow.... mplayer being the fastest but no gui, then OP2 is far much better, but haven't played with it much yet |
| 00:39:34 | Gepeto | hey guys, is there a way to use Openzaurus to get 32mb of ram + mount the sd ? |
| 00:39:35 | Onyx4 | brb in 30 min |
| 00:39:38 | Onyx4 | gotta run |
| 00:39:39 | Gepeto | like that hacked rom for a while ago |
| 00:39:50 | treke|home | good to see -lclone works sometimes |
| 00:41:15 | ljp | gepeto: if you must, try the nomtd or whatever bzImage |
| 00:41:37 | Gepeto | if I must? you mean you don't suggest doing it? |
| 00:42:43 | chouimat | re |
| 00:43:32 | ljp | sd is slow |
| 00:43:55 | ljp | but the choice is yours :) |
| 00:44:23 | Gepeto | you're right :) |
| 00:44:30 | bbeattie | anyone have an url for op2? |
| 00:50:36 | scanline | Gepeto: there are OZ kernels with no ramdisk |
| 00:51:56 | ciaolinux | which of the cards work on sl5000? |
| 00:52:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to get terminal on my Z.. can i just ftp it to the Z and then install the package somehow? |
| 00:54:56 | ljp | yes |
| 00:55:39 | MarkNovak | Windows sucks |
| 00:55:51 | ucs_rat | Heard sharp was going to release a new zaurus with the new 400+ mhz intel chip... anyone got any info or links? |
| 00:55:51 | dmallor | Wow... lot of people out here tonight... Question for anyone. Anybody using multiple network configs ie;; 1 with proxy and one without?? |
| 00:55:56 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #zaurus 16 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: gotta run [Tue Aug 20 01:39:38 2002] |
| 00:55:56 | MarkNovak | ibot: seen Onyx4? |
| 00:56:27 | | MarkNovak: excuse me? |
| 00:56:27 | MarkNovak | ibot: I love you |
| 00:56:36 | | OK, MarkNovak. |
| 00:56:36 | MarkNovak | ibot I love you is "I love you too" |
| 00:56:38 | | MarkNovak: sorry... |
| 00:56:38 | MarkNovak | ibot: I love you |
| 00:56:44 | | MarkNovak: huh? |
| 00:56:44 | MarkNovak | ibot I love you |
| 00:56:48 | | MarkNovak: sorry... |
| 00:56:48 | MarkNovak | ibot: nevermind |
| 00:59:08 | djk-hw | ljp: are the ratings for SD and CF access times like hard drive have? |
| 01:02:41 | ljp | not really, and the sd on the Z doesn't use all the channels it could |
| 01:04:49 | djk-hw | ljp: is that something they could fix with software or a wiring thing that they did |
| 01:06:43 | BZFlag | checks the schematics... |
| 01:06:44 | ljp | hmm not too sure. I would think its just the driver.. |
| 01:06:58 | ljp | heh.. but Riker would know better than me |
| 01:07:59 | warmi | re |
| 01:08:37 | Cloudchaser | hiya! |
| 01:08:44 | djk-hw | It would be great if it was a software update. Then it begs the question why would they cripple it out the door |
| 01:09:09 | djk-hw | Hi Cloudchaser, catch any clouds today |
| 01:09:13 | ljp | because they needed to get it out the door :) |
| 01:09:24 | djk-hw | ok |
| 01:09:32 | Cloudchaser | hehe hiya djk-hw |
| 01:09:52 | djk-hw | Cloudchaser: did you get a serial yet |
| 01:10:08 | BZFlag | looks like data0-3 are all wired on the schematics, so I would expect that they could enhance the speed in software. |
| 01:10:45 | djk-hw | Cool. maybe it is on the todo list guess we will have to ask a Sharpie tomorrow |
| 01:10:51 | BZFlag | also sd-io cards should be possible with a software update from what I can tell. |
| 01:11:12 | TheMasterMind1 | this is rather annoying |
| 01:11:17 | djk-hw | I don't follow your last comment? |
| 01:11:22 | djk-hw | What is? |
| 01:11:31 | TheMasterMind1 | can't sync |
| 01:11:41 | TheMasterMind1 | usbdnet breaks |
| 01:11:44 | warmi | bye |
| 01:11:44 | djk-hw | through usb? |
| 01:11:51 | TheMasterMind1 | i can ping but when i try to transfer anything it stops |
| 01:11:52 | Cloudchaser | djk-hw no serial cable yet |
| 01:11:57 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, usb |
| 01:12:04 | Cloudchaser | still have a problem spending 50.00 to carve it up |
| 01:12:08 | BZFlag | djk-hw: simple sd/mmc cards are storage cards. The standard covers io cards like cameras, ethernet cards etc for the SD slot too. not supported at the moment on the Z. |
| 01:12:09 | TheMasterMind1 | and usb over ppp won't work since i don't have a terminal on the Z |
| 01:12:18 | ljp | BZFlag: you in India? |
| 01:12:30 | BZFlag | ljp: nope, first day back. |
| 01:12:42 | nasa | any word on fixing the scandisk sd cards over 128 problem? |
| 01:12:57 | Cloudchaser | 2.38 rom supposedlly fixes that nasa |
| 01:13:08 | djk-hw | Cloudchaser: I suggested to sniper that Sharp should offer bundles for techie, busines people, network tech, where the Z and certian and software are put to together as a package. maybe he will go for it |
| 01:13:10 | nasa | Cloudchaser: not for 5000d |
| 01:13:11 | BZFlag | nasa: not that I've heard, and I don't have one to test anyway. |
| 01:13:24 | Cloudchaser | i have a z though already |
| 01:13:35 | Cloudchaser | ah nasa sorry |
| 01:13:45 | nasa | np, cloudchaser |
| 01:13:54 | djk-hw | I heard somebody last night indicate that the SanDisk was still a problem on 2.38 |
| 01:14:08 | Cloudchaser | i read mixed on that djk-hw |
| 01:14:21 | djk-hw | My fix was to drop the SanDisk and get a Panasonic |
| 01:14:24 | Cloudchaser | some say it works now and some don't |
| 01:14:26 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 01:14:29 | Cloudchaser | thats a good fix |
| 01:14:30 | ljp | is it any other cf cards over 128? or san disk only? |
| 01:17:25 | nasa | not cf cards -- sd cards |
| 01:17:25 | BZFlag | ljp: sd, not cf. |
| 01:17:25 | djk-hw | only Sandisk and lexmark from what ihave heard |
| 01:17:25 | ljp | ahh |
| 01:17:25 | djk-hw | TheMasterMind1: what OS are you using the USB with |
| 01:17:25 | Cloudchaser | did you rebuild your kernal and all that? |
| 01:17:26 | BZFlag | http://www.esend.com/sandisk/ does not list > 128M |
| 01:17:26 | | howto is, like, at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 01:17:26 | Cloudchaser | ibot howto |
| 01:17:26 | djk-hw | Sharp actually suggest the Toshiba to be back in May and since panasonic is the same company decide to go that way after discovering the hard way that hte SanDisk had poblems |
| 01:18:43 | Cloudchaser | wow ibot is sluggish tonight |
| 01:18:50 | Cloudchaser | there's how to for linux usb there |
| 01:18:56 | | you are, like, http://www.marknovak.com/images/zaurus5.gif |
| 01:18:56 | MarkNovak | ibot: MarkNovak |
| 01:19:09 | TheMasterMind1 | djk-hw: debian linux |
| 01:19:33 | | ljp: sorry... |
| 01:19:33 | ljp | ibot ate too much spaghetti |
| 01:19:38 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 01:19:41 | djk-hw | TheMasterMind1: Cloudchaser gave you the fix |
| 01:20:27 | djk-hw | ljp: That is what JasonNJ was having for dinner you think |
| 01:21:00 | | marknovak: i don't know |
| 01:21:00 | MarkNovak | ibot: xine player? |
| 01:21:02 | BZFlag | MarkNovak: sheesh, got enough zauruses there? |
| 01:21:04 | wParam | can anyone think of a reason why the kernel would list eth1 as found while booting but there would be no eth1 in /dev? |
| 01:21:45 | MarkNovak | no sorry, cant think of a reason |
| 01:21:46 | MarkNovak | i tried |
| 01:22:30 | wParam | this is driving me crazy. i'm trying to install debian, but kernel 2.4.18 won't let me get online |
| 01:22:36 | MarkNovak | Im gonna go take a bath in zauruses |
| 01:22:38 | MarkNovak | see you all later |
| 01:22:40 | wParam | lol |
| 01:22:40 | BZFlag | wParam: there should not be a eth* in /dev |
| 01:23:42 | wParam | i thought I'd seen them in there before |
| 01:23:42 | BZFlag | nope. ifconfig should show them though. |
| 01:23:42 | fusion94 | that guy is strange |
| 01:23:42 | wParam | yeah. I see it in ifconfig |
| 01:23:43 | BZFlag | try "ifconfig -a" for example. |
| 01:23:43 | wParam | it won't get an ip from dhcp |
| 01:23:45 | wParam | i'll try -a |
| 01:23:56 | BZFlag | why eth1? is eth0 working? |
| 01:24:54 | jbwiv | wParam: afaik, network interfactes aren't listed as devices in /dev |
| 01:24:55 | wParam | eth0 is the other card |
| 01:25:00 | wParam | which isn't plugged into anything |
| 01:25:05 | jbwiv | oops, I see BZFlag already stated that ;) |
| 01:25:29 | wParam | ok. /vmlinuz is a symlink |
| 01:25:31 | wParam | good to know |
| 01:26:44 | ljp | is feeling restless |
| 01:27:12 | BZFlag | suspects that eth0 is plugged in and eth1 is disconnected. |
| 01:28:31 | wParam | well, the kernel lists the device it's connection to eth0 and eth1 |
| 01:28:36 | djk-hw | ljp: too much caffine? |
| 01:28:41 | wParam | so I know which one refers to which port |
| 01:29:13 | ljp | djk: no... just a bad year, for the most part... |
| 01:31:05 | ljp | just need to rearrange all this stuff here |
| 01:31:20 | BZFlag | wParam: humor me and swap the cables. |
| 01:32:04 | nasa | hey, why doesn't the new qtopiadesktop allow us to install to the sd/cf cards? |
| 01:32:46 | wParam | I wonder if dhcp got disabled somewhere along the way |
| 01:33:26 | djk-hw | nasa: the one I am using from the Sharp ROM 2.37 update does |
| 01:33:31 | djk-hw | on windows |
| 01:34:01 | TheMasterMind1 | djk-hw: hmm. what fix? |
| 01:34:08 | TheMasterMind1 | <djk-hw> TheMasterMind1: Cloudchaser gave you the fix |
| 01:34:13 | nasa | dkj-hw: Boy I suck. I am refering to the one for linux. |
| 01:35:05 | djk-hw | oh, Cloudchaser might know something on the linux version |
| 01:35:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: |
| 01:35:27 | Cloudchaser | yes? |
| 01:35:40 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: how can i sync with my Z from linux. the usbdnet is crap |
| 01:35:49 | Speedy2 | re |
| 01:35:49 | nasa | Are you our qtopiadesktop top expert? (cloudchaser) |
| 01:35:52 | TheMasterMind1 | and i don't have a terminal to configure Z side stuff to do it over ppp |
| 01:35:53 | Cloudchaser | i use wireless |
| 01:35:57 | Cloudchaser | and no i'm not nasa |
| 01:36:02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:36:09 | Cloudchaser | i just read the how-to stuff |
| 01:36:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going to actually have to reboot into windows |
| 01:36:13 | TheMasterMind1 | goddamit |
| 01:36:20 | djk-hw | TheMasterMind1: I think this is the link referred to http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 01:36:25 | nasa | I have no problems with usbdnet |
| 01:36:35 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i looked at that |
| 01:36:35 | Cloudchaser | yes that tells all |
| 01:36:42 | nasa | it works great.... (for me that is) |
| 01:36:43 | TheMasterMind1 | usbdnet works for some time |
| 01:36:47 | TheMasterMind1 | but when i transfer stuff, it dies |
| 01:37:00 | akk | Me too. Compact flash saves the day. |
| 01:37:10 | Cloudchaser | so does wireless |
| 01:37:14 | TheMasterMind1 | it does? |
| 01:37:24 | nasa | I have installed apps over my network using usbdnet.... |
| 01:37:42 | Cloudchaser | kergoth told him earlier there's issues sometimes |
| 01:37:44 | VerxHome | hello everyone |
| 01:37:52 | Cloudchaser | hiya VerxHome |
| 01:37:57 | Speedy2 | Hi Verx. |
| 01:38:18 | nasa | Wow, a problem I haven't experienced. I am so surprised. |
| 01:38:23 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:38:51 | chouimat | nite |
| 01:39:04 | Cloudchaser | 'night |
| 01:40:26 | ljp | bye |
| 01:40:41 | Cloudchaser | hey ljp. how's that vercel? |
| 01:40:58 | akk | Anyone have a favorite qpe tutorial to recommend? |
| 01:41:05 | Cloudchaser | i looked at benmeyers' pictures. it looks pretty big |
| 01:41:16 | akk | (Writing in it, not setting it up.) |
| 01:41:47 | | qtopia is the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 01:41:47 | Cloudchaser | ibot qtopia |
| 01:41:54 | | Cloudchaser: excuse me? |
| 01:41:54 | Cloudchaser | ibot trolltech |
| 01:42:11 | Cloudchaser | http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/t1.html |
| 01:42:15 | Cloudchaser | there |
| 01:42:24 | Cloudchaser | qt tutorial |
| 01:42:25 | akk | Cool, thanks! |
| 01:42:40 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 01:43:33 | ljp | ya know.. I'm beginning to think programmers have egos just as big as musicians |
| 01:44:15 | Cloudchaser | why's that? |
| 01:44:41 | ljp | cause I'm both. :) |
| 01:44:49 | Cloudchaser | hehe and is your ego big? |
| 01:44:57 | ljp | I hope not |
| 01:45:09 | Cloudchaser | i haven't see it |
| 01:45:16 | Tenchi | im beginning to think a lot of programmers arent really programmers even though they think they are |
| 01:45:20 | Tenchi | same goes for musicians :) |
| 01:45:23 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 01:45:23 | Speedy2 | Agreed. |
| 01:45:31 | Cloudchaser | that could be very true.. |
| 01:45:37 | Cloudchaser | i'm not programmer |
| 01:46:07 | Cloudchaser | i think it takes alot to be one |
| 01:46:08 | ljp | I just feel the same way as when someone disagrees with my music playing as when someone disagrees with my code style |
| 01:46:14 | wParam | ok... so dhcp is the problem. narrowing it down... |
| 01:46:16 | Tenchi | "I am a programmer... i program javascript." |
| 01:46:39 | ljp | is being introspecitve tonight |
| 01:46:53 | Tenchi | i guess to an extent both programming and music are forms of expression |
| 01:47:09 | ljp | true that |
| 01:47:15 | Cloudchaser | and there are so many different styles |
| 01:47:52 | Cloudchaser | but i think its true of any profession.. |
| 01:47:55 | Tenchi | i just know there are a lot of hackers out there who've got a passion for programming and they can do some really cool stuff... |
| 01:47:56 | Cloudchaser | someone does somethting |
| 01:48:02 | ljp | I'm sick of this table.. I need to move this box over there |
| 01:48:12 | Cloudchaser | nother one comes along and says its wrong |
| 01:48:21 | Tenchi | but they arent software engineers |
| 01:48:28 | Tenchi | and they dont understand that |
| 01:49:11 | ljp | I need to get rid of my ever growing pile of 486's |
| 01:49:21 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 01:49:38 | Speedy2 | Tenchi: I completely agree. Engineering and "programming" are not the same thing. |
| 01:50:40 | djk-hw | night all |
| 01:50:45 | Tenchi | djk-hw: nite |
| 01:51:26 | Speedy2 | Finally, this data sheet made it in. Yay. |
| 01:52:06 | cdm | hey Speedster |
| 01:52:50 | Speedy2 | Hi cdm |
| 01:53:04 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone want my couple of hours old zaurus? |
| 01:53:13 | erikd | me! |
| 01:53:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:53:20 | akk | TheMasterMind1: I said that too. Seriously, get a flash card. |
| 01:53:49 | cdm | TheMasterMind1: why you ditching it? |
| 01:53:50 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: Why? |
| 01:55:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i was kidding |
| 01:55:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going to reboot into windows and get terminal and ssh etc over and then see if i can get it working in linux |
| 01:56:13 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit. that requires a cd rom drive also |
| 01:56:14 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 01:59:04 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 02:00:11 | cdm | TheMasterMind1: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:00:59 | TheMasterMind1 | sync |
| 02:00:59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:01:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll get it eventually |
| 02:01:37 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see if this kernel helps |
| 02:12:51 | nasa | Does anyone now how to use proftpd? I am setting up a feed for my Z |
| 02:14:53 | [DrEvil] | why not just use apache? |
| 02:15:09 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 02:15:23 | nasa | I just want something small... It's strickly for my Z |
| 02:15:39 | [DrEvil] | I use apache for my personal feeds |
| 02:15:40 | treke|home | hehe. Never realized how much nicer minicom is than hyperterminal |
| 02:17:10 | treke|home | vi actually becomes usable :) |
| 02:20:30 | jbwiv | a question for the experts: qt/e doesn't support QTextEdit, which allows color formatting of text. Is it feasible that I could create my own widget to do this sort of text highlighting? Would I have to do implementation at a low level (i.e., Xlib) or can I take current qt/e widgets/functionality and hack it together somehow? |
| 02:21:26 | treke|home | I take it compiling QTextEdit didnt work? |
| 02:22:03 | jbwiv | treke|home: no ;) |
| 02:22:21 | treke|home | how horrible was it? |
| 02:22:33 | jbwiv | It needed some other files that aren't implemented either. walked down that path for about an hour and called it a draw. |
| 02:22:38 | treke|home | ah |
| 02:23:06 | [DrEvil] | nasa: just set up a small webserver |
| 02:23:40 | nasa | DrEvil: webserver over ftp... Ok |
| 02:23:43 | jbwiv | treke|home: due to my limited knowledge of qt, pretty nasty. probably something a more knowledgeable soul could piece together. however, before forcing the square peg into the circular hole, I just want to see what it would involve to create my own color-supporting widget |
| 02:24:24 | BZFlag | treke|home: and try "minicom -c on" ;-) |
| 02:25:45 | treke|home | you are a god |
| 02:50:52 | codemnky | waves hello |
| 02:51:27 | ljp | hi |
| 02:51:45 | codemnky | stands on a very high chair and waves again |
| 02:51:49 | codemnky | heh |
| 02:51:55 | cdm | keep waving. |
| 02:51:56 | codemnky | what's going on |
| 02:52:00 | codemnky | :P |
| 02:53:05 | ljp | finding some.. umm hardware bugs |
| 02:53:23 | cdm | ljp: in what? |
| 02:54:26 | ljp | not the zaurus |
| 02:55:00 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 02:55:10 | TheMasterMind1 | now neither windows or linux even detect the usb device.. |
| 02:55:38 | ljp | check your bios? |
| 02:56:02 | cdm | ljp: I figured not the Z. ;) |
| 02:57:35 | ljp | just goes to show ya what happens when hardware people dont consult with me before designing something to do with audio |
| 02:57:43 | ljp | :D |
| 02:59:12 | jbwiv | anyone: can I use cout from iostream.h in a qt program? I get an undefined reference to `cout'.... |
| 02:59:29 | Xenith | std::cout maybe? |
| 02:59:32 | jbwiv | all I'm trying to do is print some debugging info to a terminal |
| 02:59:39 | jbwiv | Xenith: good point, hand on... |
| 02:59:48 | jbwiv | s/hand/hang/ |
| 02:59:51 | Xenith | namespaces are painful things. ;-) |
| 02:59:53 | ljp | the zaurus has to stdc++ |
| 03:00:00 | ljp | has no |
| 03:00:22 | cdm | ljp: really? |
| 03:00:24 | ljp | why not just use qDebug()? |
| 03:00:36 | cdm | They couldn't get past the bugs on ARM either huh? |
| 03:00:45 | jbwiv | ljp: this is just for testing on my linux desktop.... |
| 03:01:00 | cdm | namespaces roxer! |
| 03:01:07 | ljp | not they probably decided that qt was enough, as it has alot of stdc++ like functions |
| 03:01:19 | jbwiv | damn it. std::cout doesn't seem to work either. |
| 03:01:31 | cdm | ljp: I understand there are some issues with the gnu c++ lib pre 3 on ARM. |
| 03:01:39 | jbwiv | ljp: any functions for simply writing text to controlling terminal? |
| 03:02:16 | ljp | yes, qDebug("this is %d some thing", 42); |
| 03:02:29 | jbwiv | ljp: awesome. thanks. |
| 03:03:00 | ljp | sure |
| 03:03:05 | cdm | fprintf( stderr, "Blah!\n" ); |
| 03:03:33 | ljp | heh that too |
| 03:05:55 | TheMasterMind1 | cries |
| 03:06:38 | cdm | hands TheMasterMind1 a tissue. |
| 03:07:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i wonder what happened to usb now |
| 03:07:25 | wParam | you've got usb troubles too? |
| 03:07:50 | cdm | USB sucks. |
| 03:07:58 | wParam | i'm starting to agree |
| 03:08:25 | cdm | three classes of devices....host, hub, device. |
| 03:08:32 | cdm | you can't plug a host into a host nor a device into a device. |
| 03:08:35 | cdm | utter crap. |
| 03:09:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't get it |
| 03:09:11 | TheMasterMind1 | it WAS working |
| 03:09:26 | TheMasterMind1 | now it won't work in either windows or linux |
| 03:09:39 | cdm | you might have blown the chipset. |
| 03:09:43 | TheMasterMind1 | umm.. |
| 03:09:47 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not good |
| 03:10:15 | wParam | how would that have happened? |
| 03:10:36 | cdm | it is a physical interface - static could do it if the charge is high enough and the connectors are not properly grounded and isolated. |
| 03:10:53 | wParam | that would suck |
| 03:11:00 | wParam | I think mine's software, though |
| 03:11:02 | cdm | it is also possible for a bad USB device to fry another chipset on the net. |
| 03:11:20 | wParam | windows seems to lose usb when the zaurus crashes in the cradle |
| 03:11:24 | wParam | though that didn't happen this time |
| 03:11:27 | cdm | I was doing work on an embedded system using 1394 and we had a PHY that would toast any other board plugged into it. |
| 03:11:43 | cdm | why does the Z crash? |
| 03:11:47 | cdm | shakes his head. |
| 03:12:00 | wParam | it was crashing whenever I tried to get a certain file from the sd card through ftp |
| 03:12:12 | cdm | would be upset if he had actually paid for his Z. |
| 03:12:41 | wParam | i'm having those same kind of thoughts |
| 03:12:47 | wParam | wondering if amazon will take mine back |
| 03:12:55 | wParam | questions whether it's worth this much headache |
| 03:12:57 | TheMasterMind1 | cdm: how'd you get it? |
| 03:18:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:18:39 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck |
| 03:18:43 | TheMasterMind1 | my other usb devices still work |
| 03:19:24 | ljp | did you say great googli-moogli ? |
| 03:19:30 | wParam | well at least the controller's not fried |
| 03:19:46 | TheMasterMind1 | so what's wrong |
| 03:19:53 | quarkquasar | scanline: your here! no suprise, actually, you did get PicoGUI on the Zaurus ;) |
| 03:19:58 | wParam | ljp: dod who say it? |
| 03:20:06 | scanline | quarkquasar: huh? |
| 03:20:07 | wParam | er, did |
| 03:20:19 | ljp | anyone! |
| 03:20:19 | scanline | quarkquasar: picogui's worked on the Z for a while now |
| 03:20:28 | quarkquasar | scanline: i know |
| 03:20:53 | quarkquasar | scnaline: just never seen you anywhere else :) |
| 03:21:02 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=57 |
| 03:21:19 | scanline | oh.. yeah, I usually hang out in #picogui, #wopn, #zaurus, #fresco, and #tuxscreen |
| 03:21:39 | quarkquasar | :) |
| 03:22:17 | MarkNovak | hey guys |
| 03:22:26 | MarkNovak | is there a program to put files through usb port onto the Z? |
| 03:22:27 | MarkNovak | I need it |
| 03:22:35 | scanline | MarkNovak: scp |
| 03:22:41 | MarkNovak | unacronymize plz? |
| 03:22:43 | | i think killefiz is a Qtopia/Opie software archive at http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 03:22:43 | MarkNovak | ibot: killefiz |
| 03:22:50 | scanline | secure copy.. it's part of SSH |
| 03:22:59 | MarkNovak | so do I need ssh? |
| 03:23:02 | scanline | yes |
| 03:23:05 | MarkNovak | damnit |
| 03:23:34 | MarkNovak | any other way? |
| 03:23:50 | quarkquasar | well, i woke scanline up. although is that a good thing or a bad thing ;) |
| 03:24:04 | scanline | goes back to lurking obscurity |
| 03:24:54 | quarkquasar | well, got to go pronto |
| 03:25:08 | quarkquasar | zips out for dinner |
| 03:25:16 | MarkNovak | its 12:30! |
| 03:25:25 | wParam | maybe where we are |
| 03:25:35 | scanline | 10:30 here :P |
| 03:25:38 | quarkquasar | not in Arizona |
| 03:25:46 | quarkquasar | well, bye |
| 03:25:56 | scanline | anyway... |
| 03:26:00 | scanline | is away: trying to get some work done |
| 04:04:12 | hat_eater | so im trying to get zaurus to work on my friends wireless net |
| 04:04:19 | hat_eater | i can see it in kismet |
| 04:04:26 | hat_eater | and i set all the settings right |
| 04:04:41 | hat_eater | and its dhcp, so i do 'dhcpcd eth0' |
| 04:04:46 | hat_eater | and it just sits there |
| 04:05:05 | hat_eater | anybody konw what to do about this? |
| 04:06:20 | Guest | hi |
| 04:14:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i figured it out i think |
| 04:14:53 | TheMasterMind1 | the kernel has the old uchi driver selected by default when you compile |
| 04:14:59 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to deselect and the new one shows up |
| 04:15:04 | TheMasterMind1 | you select that one and it works better methinks |
| 04:17:42 | Wembly | man this channel has grown. |
| 04:17:57 | Wembly | not that thats a bad thing :) |
| 04:19:48 | darienm | Depends what you feed it.. I find that the more bullshit I put in my garden, the faster the plants thrive. |
| 04:20:03 | darienm | :) |
| 04:22:26 | DaWorm | sup |
| 04:34:03 | akk | Newbie programming question: I'm installing the app's png icon to /opt/Qtopia/pics, I can view it in the image viewer but it doesn't show up on the desktop. |
| 04:34:15 | akk | Any gotchas about pngs which might make one not show up? |
| 04:55:57 | darienm | When you say it doesn't show on the desktop, you mean its not appearing on your application as specified in the .desktop file? |
| 05:10:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:10:10 | TheMasterMind1 | YAY! |
| 05:10:58 | TheMasterMind1 | it works |
| 05:11:02 | TheMasterMind1 | the new uchi did it |
| 05:11:13 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i CTRL C? |
| 05:22:34 | Wembly | wavies |
| 05:22:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 05:25:22 | DrBoB | use the picboard in qtopia...... otherwise, f(n) + Leftshift = ctrl |
| 05:26:26 | TheMasterMind1 | where on the pickboard? |
| 05:26:59 | DrBoB | press down the ctrl key on the pickboard...then c |
| 05:27:16 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 05:27:17 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 05:27:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. the terminal doesn't want to rotoate |
| 05:27:25 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 05:27:36 | DrBoB | my Z is at the office |
| 05:27:53 | Xenith | Hmm. Anyone gotten kpacman to work? |
| 05:28:29 | DrBoB | The rotation program seems to be giving trouble with exiting on the Sharp 2.38 ROM |
| 05:29:22 | DrBoB | I just read a message that some guy got DOOM (prboom) to play the midi music too |
| 05:30:00 | DrBoB | all ya gotta do is download 14 MB of patches to the SDL library :-) |
| 05:30:46 | oGMo | DrBoB: er, probably a timidity patch |
| 05:30:57 | oGMo | the one i've got on here is 11MB, which isn't too bad i guess |
| 05:31:03 | DrBoB | I think I'll not dothat....14 MB is a lot of space just to hear the cheezy MIDI tunes in DOOM |
| 05:31:10 | oGMo | better than 33MB of mp3's for monkey island :P |
| 05:31:24 | oGMo | DrBoB: dude, doom's music ruled :) |
| 05:31:31 | oGMo | one of the best parts ;) |
| 05:31:45 | Wembly | agrees |
| 05:32:06 | Wembly | thinks kmfdm music with quake fits perfectly tho. |
| 05:32:08 | DrBoB | still, the wad fileis only 8 MB...LOL |
| 05:32:09 | oGMo | Wembly: wrt your firewall, if you're dropping packets to everything that's about as good as you can get afaik |
| 05:32:15 | oGMo | DrBoB: yeah |
| 05:32:22 | Wembly | wrt? |
| 05:32:28 | oGMo | DrBoB: you might be able to find a smaller timidity patch someplace though |
| 05:32:46 | oGMo | of course you could always get those really big ones... like 55MB compressed :) |
| 05:33:56 | DrBoB | Bah.... someone port Quake2 so I can play online via my Z ....LOL... CTF rulez!! |
| 05:34:42 | oGMo | Wembly: wrt = with respect to |
| 05:34:54 | oGMo | DrBoB: meh |
| 05:35:02 | oGMo | doom 1 was the last good fps ;) |
| 05:35:12 | oGMo | anyway i'm off, meeting at 9, night all |
| 05:35:39 | DrBoB | still, doom is fun.... goodnight |
| 05:36:44 | Wembly | nini |
| 05:40:15 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i play doom |
| 05:40:19 | TheMasterMind1 | once its installed |
| 05:43:38 | kolla | TheMasterMind1: fire at anything that moves :) |
| 05:43:42 | DaWorm | hehe doom was fun |
| 05:43:52 | DaWorm | but how do i run it with a wad on a card? |
| 05:44:16 | DrBoB | you can set the wad file |
| 05:44:25 | DrBoB | in the options menu |
| 05:44:52 | DrBoB | so just type in /mnt/whatever |
| 05:45:10 | DaWorm | ah! |
| 05:45:29 | TheMasterMind1 | what kind of speeds do you people get via usb? |
| 05:45:32 | TheMasterMind1 | and how do i start sshd? |
| 05:45:48 | darienm|away | use servermanager to start sshd :) |
| 05:46:18 | darienm|away | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=165 |
| 05:46:18 | TheMasterMind1 | servermanager eh |
| 05:46:20 | TheMasterMind1 | need to get that |
| 05:48:06 | DrBoB | how do I get intellisync to copy a file off of my SD card? is there a config file on the desktop machine? |
| 05:48:51 | DrBoB | I would love tobe able to move files directly onto the SD with the intellisync in win2000 |
| 05:50:02 | DrBoB | so, I'm wondering if I can tell intellisynch to look elswhere than the Z's built-in RAM |
| 05:51:36 | DaWorm | i usually use ftp go to to the card |
| 05:51:46 | DaWorm | intellisync isnt so smart with file transfers |
| 05:52:00 | DrBoB | I should just use the ftp trick and IE |
| 05:52:20 | DrBoB | what's the IP of the Z? |
| 05:52:26 | DaWorm | nahh..just use something like cuteftp |
| 05:52:49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:52:50 | DrBoB | 255.??.?? |
| 05:52:51 | TheMasterMind1 | no sshd host key |
| 05:52:54 | DaWorm | default ip i believe is 192.168.129.201 |
| 05:53:44 | DrBoB | lol.... thanks...that sounds easy to remember *writing it down* |
| 05:54:28 | DaWorm | well you can just check your intellisync settings for the IP that was used |
| 05:55:09 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 05:55:12 | TheMasterMind1 | doom plays nicely |
| 05:55:19 | DaWorm | indeed |
| 05:55:53 | DaWorm | doom II is great on prboom |
| 05:55:59 | DaWorm | 14mb wad |
| 05:56:00 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:56:02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:56:06 | TheMasterMind1 | press Y to quit |
| 05:56:07 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:58:37 | DrBoB | I have the "ultimate doom" *considers going to the office, getting the Z, and moving the wad from UD over to the SD card* |
| 06:00:32 | DaWorm | how big is UD? |
| 06:08:44 | DrBoB | don't know, it's on the office machine...the distro spans 5 1.44 MB floppies |
| 06:11:35 | DrBoB | but it should fit on a 128 MB SD card :-) |
| 06:13:55 | kolla | are there bigger SD/MMC cards out yet? |
| 06:15:28 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 06:15:30 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer works nicely |
| 06:27:36 | kolla | ircing from the zaurus seems more appropriate :) |
| 06:36:11 | kolla | ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libndbm.so: No such file or directory |
| 06:36:11 | kolla | ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libdb.so: No such file or directory |
| 06:36:11 | kolla | ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libdb1.so: No such file or directory |
| 06:36:11 | kolla | ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss_db.so: No such file or directory |
| 06:36:13 | kolla | hm |
| 06:49:06 | scribe | I have some OpenZaurus questions. Anyone around? |
| 06:51:19 | kolla | yes |
| 06:53:11 | scribe | kolla: do you run OZ? |
| 06:55:22 | kolla | yes |
| 06:57:09 | scribe | do you know if the sansdisk sd memory (128megs) really works, or just kindof? |
| 06:58:02 | kolla | hm, not really |
| 06:58:11 | kolla | got a twinmos myself |
| 06:58:18 | kolla | 128MB |
| 07:01:12 | scribe | mine seems to work (at least better than with the sharp os) |
| 07:01:22 | scribe | but is SO slow and locks the device up alot! |
| 07:01:29 | kolla | oh yes :) |
| 07:01:43 | kolla | SD is darn slow |
| 07:02:05 | kolla | what filesystem do you use? |
| 07:04:38 | scribe | well, I'm using ext2 currently |
| 07:04:52 | scribe | I wanted to install a complete OZ installation to the sdcard |
| 07:05:08 | scribe | and figured it would need to set permissions and symlinks that vfat wouldn't allow |
| 07:05:15 | scribe | but I have just had no luck. |
| 07:05:48 | scribe | I get so far, then the Z locks up or something else, then won't book |
| 07:05:51 | scribe | er, boot |
| 07:05:56 | scribe | and I have to reflash |
| 07:06:07 | scribe | then I lose all my symlinks that where on the root device |
| 07:06:14 | scribe | and have to wipe the card out and start over |
| 07:08:05 | kolla | I installed entire /usr and /opt on SD-card |
| 07:08:59 | scribe | how? |
| 07:09:31 | kolla | I tarred it over and changed fstab to mount it on /usr |
| 07:09:56 | scribe | 'tarred it over' |
| 07:09:59 | scribe | what's that mean? |
| 07:10:05 | scribe | after a base install? |
| 07:10:11 | scribe | you tarred it over |
| 07:10:17 | kolla | tar |
| 07:10:18 | scribe | changed the mount point |
| 07:10:27 | kolla | put sharp_mmcsd_m in /etc/modules |
| 07:10:27 | scribe | and then installed all the rest of your software? |
| 07:10:44 | kolla | well, it wasnt a new install :) |
| 07:10:45 | scribe | what a great idea! |
| 07:11:08 | scribe | then, when I reflash, I just rm -rf /usr and /opt |
| 07:11:15 | scribe | and create mount points |
| 07:11:27 | scribe | are you using ext2? |
| 07:11:37 | kolla | yes, and I also made sure that it boots ok without the SD card inserted |
| 07:11:48 | kolla | yes, as the kernel doesnt support ext3 |
| 07:11:50 | kolla | cutie /root # df |
| 07:11:50 | kolla | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 07:11:50 | kolla | /dev/root 14464 9572 4892 67% / |
| 07:11:51 | kolla | /dev/mmcda1 121426 102431 12726 89% /usr |
| 07:12:02 | kolla | and /opt is just a symlink to /usr/local |
| 07:12:30 | scribe | ok, so, what do I need to add to modules.conf? |
| 07:12:45 | scribe | (this is great info, thank you so much!) |
| 07:12:47 | kolla | nothing :) |
| 07:13:01 | kolla | in /etc/modules |
| 07:13:05 | kolla | I have |
| 07:13:13 | kolla | sharp_mmcsd_m |
| 07:13:13 | kolla | usbdmonitor |
| 07:13:31 | kolla | I could very well drop the latter though, never use the usb |
| 07:14:01 | kolla | /ctcp kolla version |
| 07:14:02 | kolla | :) |
| 07:14:42 | scribe | ok, they are in mine already |
| 07:15:03 | scribe | yeah, with the ipaq I used the usbnet stuff, but never have on for the Z. |
| 07:15:25 | scribe | ok, I'm gonna try again.... |
| 07:15:26 | scribe | :) |
| 07:15:51 | scribe | one more q |
| 07:16:04 | scribe | where do file that are written to /tmp go? |
| 07:16:10 | scribe | to flash? |
| 07:16:23 | kolla | ah |
| 07:16:26 | kolla | no, ramdisk |
| 07:16:36 | kolla | dynamicly sized ramdisk |
| 07:16:51 | kolla | and you might want to move your /var over to the / filesystem |
| 07:17:07 | kolla | if you want your logs and various others to survive reboots :) |
| 07:17:08 | scribe | that's good news |
| 07:17:21 | scribe | ok, is it in /usr/local or something right now? |
| 07:17:30 | kolla | per default both /var and /tmp will vanish on reboot |
| 07:17:44 | kolla | no, /var is mounted seperatly |
| 07:17:49 | kolla | look in fstab ;) |
| 07:17:54 | scribe | oh :) ok. |
| 07:18:15 | kolla | also there is a script that untars the var filesystem from /root/.var-something |
| 07:18:42 | scribe | I'm using the 32 ram image (0 storage) |
| 07:18:50 | scribe | is that what you'd recommend with this setup? |
| 07:18:54 | kolla | yes |
| 07:18:59 | kolla | you have the 5000? |
| 07:19:02 | kolla | I have the 5500 |
| 07:19:31 | scribe | yep. |
| 07:19:34 | kolla | I used the kernel with 24MB ram storage but found no use for it, so I moved to the -64 kernel :) |
| 07:19:47 | scribe | you suck |
| 07:19:49 | scribe | :) |
| 07:19:51 | kolla | :) |
| 07:22:11 | scribe | maybe someone should make a default configuration for OZ that installs like this. |
| 07:22:16 | scribe | it seems to make the most sense |
| 07:23:29 | Onyx4 | when you move to a new kernel, you have to reflash and reinstall? |
| 07:23:43 | kolla | Onyx4: reflash yes, but not reinstall |
| 07:23:49 | kolla | unless you also change initrd |
| 07:24:01 | Onyx4 | I guess if you have an SD card, no need to use ram as storage right |
| 07:24:24 | kolla | Onyx4: yep |
| 07:24:46 | imm | hi |
| 07:25:09 | Onyx4 | you running which version? |
| 07:25:47 | Onyx4 | I wonder if there is a way to keep opera under OZ... |
| 07:26:06 | Onyx4 | like make an ipk using existing files on the sharp rom |
| 07:28:23 | kolla | I havent managed to get opera running, it segfaults |
| 07:28:40 | scribe | Anyone try any bluetooth cards? |
| 07:28:58 | scribe | I bought an Ambicom BT something or other, but gave up on it 3 months ago |
| 07:28:59 | kolla | but ofcourse, if I have bothered moving over the lib-files that opera needs and made a script that sets the LD_PATH to those before opera is run... |
| 07:29:00 | Onyx4 | i thought they werent supported |
| 07:29:12 | kolla | but I dont see the point, dont think opera is any better than konq |
| 07:29:23 | kolla | they both suck, so I prefer links :) |
| 07:29:32 | Onyx4 | oh ok, maybe the konq I downloaded which was like 0.1 was not the latest greatest |
| 07:30:46 | Onyx4 | which kernel does OZ run for the latest initrd now? |
| 07:34:52 | Onyx4 | is thinking of switching to OZ :) |
| 07:35:12 | imm | Onyx4: imho 2.4.6 |
| 07:35:24 | Onyx4 | but sharp rom is also that version right? |
| 07:35:46 | imm | yep, the sd card driver is binary only |
| 07:36:21 | imm | so latest kernel without sd or 2.4.6 with sd ... |
| 07:36:50 | Onyx4 | im wonder why the file for the sharp rom on the CF card is called "OSPACK" when the OZ uses other names like zImage and initrd, how does the flash know which file to flash? |
| 07:37:36 | Onyx4 | does kismet still work under oz since it doesn't use wlan-ng |
| 07:40:03 | scribe | so far as I can tell, the sdram driver kindof sucks |
| 07:40:18 | scribe | sharp releases the specs for the hardware, right? |
| 07:40:43 | scribe | doesn't seem like it would be all that hard to write one (and that actually has some thruput) |
| 07:42:59 | kolla | :) |
| 07:44:13 | scribe | anyone working on this yet? |
| 07:46:02 | Wembly | scribe: talk to kergoth |
| 07:46:29 | Wembly | onyx4: OSPACK is the entire flashrom all 16m of it or somesuch. |
| 07:46:40 | Wembly | zImage initrd and so on are part of that. |
| 07:46:47 | scribe | ok, kolla, I've done a fresh flash, a mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmsda1, and am now cp -a /usr /mnt/card/ |
| 07:46:52 | Wembly | OSPACK also includes the bootloader and all that jazz |
| 07:47:32 | scribe | I'm gonna leave /usr there, so if I boot without the sdram card, it will find the basic stuff. |
| 07:48:23 | Onyx4 | so if I get this right, with the sharp rom, is the rom uncompressed to ram the first time and then files are accessed from there? and with OZ, the rom stays there and is writable and nothing is extracted to ram? |
| 07:49:29 | scribe | Onyx4: I think with the sharp os, everything stays on flash and is NOT writable |
| 07:49:39 | scribe | and there are symlinks to a ramfs |
| 07:49:58 | scribe | where stuff that needs to be writable live |
| 07:50:09 | Onyx4 | ok and then there is like 32 meg of optional space for installing applications, and then 32 for ram |
| 07:50:23 | scribe | so, yeah, I guess some stuff would have to be untarred to ramfs when you reboot, or something |
| 07:50:39 | Onyx4 | where as in OZ , you can select like 40-24 to have more ram, less storage and the flash is writable |
| 07:51:02 | scribe | Onyx4: on OZ, the flash is directly writable |
| 07:51:23 | Onyx4 | ok but it's mostly filled right? there isn't much space left on it? |
| 07:51:27 | scribe | and yes, you can have ramfs if you want |
| 07:51:44 | scribe | well, depends if you have a 5000 or 5500 |
| 07:51:48 | Onyx4 | 5500 |
| 07:51:56 | scribe | 5000 has about 3 megs left |
| 07:52:16 | Onyx4 | oh ok... |
| 07:52:24 | Onyx4 | and 5500? |
| 07:52:37 | scribe | so I'd bet the 5500 has 35 megs left (but I don't know the hardware specs) |
| 07:52:48 | scribe | 5000 only has 16 megs of flash |
| 07:53:01 | scribe | I think the 5500 has 32? maybe |
| 07:53:07 | scribe | not sure |
| 07:53:21 | Onyx4 | woah that much? |
| 07:53:28 | Onyx4 | so right now with sharp rom, there would be all that space wasted |
| 07:53:33 | Onyx4 | weird :) |
| 07:53:53 | scribe | well, maybe they both have 16 of flash. let me look at their site.... |
| 07:54:14 | Wembly | they both have 16mb of flash |
| 07:54:46 | Onyx4 | ok that make sence now |
| 07:55:03 | Onyx4 | is the flash image copied to ram/storage after booting? |
| 07:55:11 | Onyx4 | cause I remember only having like 16 meg left on the sharp rom for applications |
| 07:57:21 | scribe | ok, they both have 16 megs of flash |
| 07:57:51 | scribe | sorry for the misinformation |
| 07:58:56 | scribe | no, they probably partition some of the memory as a ramdisk for storage, like you said earlier. |
| 07:59:05 | scribe | they did on my 5000 |
| 07:59:09 | scribe | so I'm sure. |
| 07:59:16 | Onyx4 | k |
| 07:59:40 | scribe | on oz I'm using all 32 megs of ram for my 5000 for memory |
| 07:59:45 | Onyx4 | I just wonder basically if I install OZ on my 5500, with a kernel of 40-24, am I gonna hve 24 mb left free after booting or some of the flash image gets copied in there |
| 07:59:55 | scribe | and using external memory for apps and other storage |
| 08:00:41 | scribe | Well, I don't have any for storage |
| 08:01:04 | scribe | so I don't know where the stuff that gets copied (if stuff does get copied) would go for me :) |
| 08:01:10 | scribe | maybe that's a clue for us. |
| 08:01:27 | kolla | I only install to / |
| 08:01:35 | Onyx4 | k it means that the flash is used directly |
| 08:01:42 | kolla | the ipkg destination stuff was just too confusing :) |
| 08:01:47 | scribe | so I would guess you get all 24 megs for storage |
| 08:01:48 | Wembly | onyx4: flashrom is / |
| 08:02:07 | Wembly | onyx4: then you have the normal location of memory which is /mnt/mem or somesuch |
| 08:02:09 | Onyx4 | I'm trying to remember when I first had my sharp rom, if there was 32 meg free of storage and I used that all up , or it was being used for 16 meg already |
| 08:02:10 | scribe | kolla: still copying. I can't believe that sdram is THAT slow |
| 08:02:15 | Wembly | and you can install apps in ether place |
| 08:02:20 | scribe | something has to be wrong! |
| 08:02:24 | Wembly | hell if i know hehe |
| 08:02:29 | Wembly | ask kergoth or someone actualy :) |
| 08:02:36 | kolla | scribe: it is |
| 08:02:57 | scribe | that's just the sharp (or whoever wrote it for them) driver |
| 08:03:20 | kolla | Wembly: I prefer mounting the filesystems where I want them to appear and then just install to / |
| 08:03:28 | scribe | I had a digital camera that used sdmem and it wasn't slow and saved .5 meg pics in like 4 seconds |
| 08:03:44 | kolla | scribe: yes, and here lies the problem |
| 08:03:51 | kolla | most of the files you are copying ar small files |
| 08:03:59 | kolla | and there are many of them :) |
| 08:04:17 | scribe | that's still no excuse for this silly thing |
| 08:04:24 | kolla | copying a few large files is a heck lot faster than copying a bunch of small files |
| 08:04:30 | scribe | maybe i can contribute a new driver |
| 08:04:53 | killefiz | scribe: you can't you won't get the specs for writing an sd driver |
| 08:05:07 | scribe | killefiz: why? |
| 08:05:25 | killefiz | because sd specs are extremly closed stuff |
| 08:05:42 | killefiz | look around on the zauruszone wiki - there are some explanations. |
| 08:05:43 | kolla | secure data blabla |
| 08:05:56 | kolla | write a decent MMC driver instead :) |
| 08:06:01 | Onyx4 | is there a website I can see the default packages in OZ? |
| 08:07:17 | scribe | kolla: I'm confused now |
| 08:07:21 | scribe | what's the diff? |
| 08:07:30 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 08:07:32 | scribe | I didn't think the Z actually supported SD anyway |
| 08:08:01 | Wembly | needs to seriously hack the crap outa shorewall... :/ |
| 08:08:11 | scribe | the Z spec says "no copyright protection feature" |
| 08:08:30 | scribe | so I thought it WAS an MMC driver |
| 08:08:40 | DaWorm | i havernt used any SD yet |
| 08:08:46 | DaWorm | for me it was a price thing |
| 08:08:51 | DaWorm | MMCs are way cheaper |
| 08:08:55 | killefiz | no it's a sd driver withouth the copyright protection features |
| 08:08:58 | Wembly | scribe: it can use SD cards tho. |
| 08:09:04 | kolla | scribe: you are correct |
| 08:09:23 | Wembly | agrees with killefiz |
| 08:09:50 | kolla | killefiz: so what's that if not a MMC driver? :) |
| 08:09:53 | scribe | Well, I'm no expert, but I thought SD was just MMC with copyright protection :) |
| 08:10:01 | kolla | scribe: afaik it is |
| 08:10:34 | killefiz | scribe: no - it's not. That would make life easier for z folks but it isn't. Only thing the two types share is the size |
| 08:11:27 | scribe | but I can plug my sdmem card into an older mmc device, right? |
| 08:11:28 | Wembly | killefiz: but cant you take a MMC card and use it in a SD card reader no? |
| 08:11:46 | killefiz | Wembly: i think it has to support mmc |
| 08:11:53 | killefiz | scribe: afaik - no |
| 08:13:12 | Wembly | the sdmem card i thought was slightly differnt dimention? |
| 08:13:19 | Wembly | so you cant stick a sdcard into a mmc reader. |
| 08:13:28 | Wembly | but you can stick a mmc card into a sd reader. |
| 08:13:30 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 08:13:30 | scribe | ok, I concede. I have no trusted source to make further claims |
| 08:13:39 | Wembly | i dont have sd or mmc cards :) |
| 08:14:24 | Wembly | scribe: well any innaccuraces found in the information i provided should be blamed on the random people i bugged about the same questions hehe |
| 08:14:25 | scribe | is still waiting for the cp -a /usr /mnt/card to finish |
| 08:14:37 | scribe | :) |
| 08:15:32 | scribe | and this is just the base system! |
| 08:15:43 | scribe | what happens when I start installing additional packages! |
| 08:15:44 | killefiz | scribe: make sure that you're not copying symlinks that have circular references! i once tried to scp my whole z over to my desktop and it ended in an infinte symlink loop |
| 08:15:48 | scribe | this is totally rediculous! |
| 08:16:04 | scribe | oh bummer. |
| 08:16:35 | scribe | well, I'm viewing the system info app, and the size of my sdcard free memory keeps going down about 12k a sec |
| 08:16:41 | scribe | so something's happening. |
| 08:17:44 | scribe | actually 12k is about the best I get. Sometimes it's like 1k a second |
| 08:17:54 | Wembly | herm anyone running oz atm? |
| 08:18:01 | kolla | yes |
| 08:18:06 | kolla | I'm ircong from it |
| 08:18:07 | scribe | :) yep |
| 08:18:10 | Wembly | mind if i bug ya via privmsg? |
| 08:18:11 | kolla | ircing even |
| 08:18:23 | kolla | I'm out for lunch in two minutes, so... hehe |
| 08:19:23 | scribe | :) I've bugged kolla quite a bit tonight already! :) |
| 08:21:53 | scribe | might bring up gdb and see what sd driver looks like |
| 08:24:19 | Wembly | herm. |
| 08:24:21 | Wembly | *ponders* |
| 08:24:32 | Wembly | i somehow managed to corrupt my ipkg database i suspect |
| 08:37:58 | scribe | what fs type is initrc? |
| 08:38:02 | scribe | can I mount it? |
| 08:38:06 | scribe | (the image) |
| 08:38:11 | scribe | jffs2? |
| 08:40:47 | scribe | g'nite all! |
| 08:46:24 | _AleX_ | hi all ! i'm in france, and i'm waiting the zaurus's launch |
| 08:46:56 | _AleX_ | when the zaurus will be available in France ? somebody can answer ? |
| 08:47:21 | DaWorm | nobody knows for sure |
| 08:48:11 | _AleX_ | i'm very impatient ;-) |
| 08:48:37 | DaWorm | why not buy it in the uk and have it shipped? |
| 08:49:34 | _AleX_ | if possible, i'm waiting the azerty keyboard.... |
| 08:49:40 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 08:49:48 | _AleX_ | english is not the problem |
| 08:49:55 | _AleX_ | but the keyboard ... |
| 08:51:00 | _AleX_ | but i don't want to wait a long time ... |
| 08:51:49 | _AleX_ | so if i can know the date of the zaurus's lauch in france ... i will take a decision after |
| 08:53:19 | _AleX_ | another question : Python on Zaurus ? |
| 08:53:56 | George- | yooooohoooo |
| 08:55:50 | DaWorm | yes there is python packaged for the zaurus |
| 08:56:02 | _AleX_ | kewl ... ;-) |
| 08:56:14 | George- | hey DaWorm, _AleX_ |
| 08:56:21 | DaWorm | hey |
| 08:56:24 | _AleX_ | yes? |
| 08:57:27 | _AleX_ | nobody work for sharp on this channel ? |
| 08:58:09 | George- | erm |
| 08:58:19 | George- | JasonNJ, benmeyer and Sniper |
| 08:58:23 | George- | but they're all away at the moment :) |
| 08:58:42 | _AleX_ | ok |
| 08:59:08 | _AleX_ | i'm in france, and i'm waiting the zaurus's launch |
| 08:59:26 | | mark was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 11 hours, 52 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: i'll go and ask in #kernelnewbies, where its slightly more OT :). thanks for ur help [Sun Aug 18 22:06:34 2002] |
| 08:59:26 | George- | ibot seen mark |
| 08:59:30 | killefiz | _AleX_: they won't be able to tell you - all three work for sharp US |
| 08:59:36 | _AleX_ | but sharp france don't answer to my emails |
| 09:00:03 | killefiz | _AleX_: then buy it from somewhere else? |
| 09:00:16 | George- | _AleX_: Well, england is just across the channel *g* |
| 09:00:21 | _AleX_ | killefiz: maybe they can forward my email to the person that know when |
| 09:00:25 | George- | _AleX_: but it's _very_ expensive |
| 09:00:32 | George- | 450 GBP is the cheapest |
| 09:00:48 | _AleX_ | i'm seeking a azerty keyboard if possible .... |
| 09:00:56 | George- | azerty? |
| 09:01:00 | George- | Is that the french standard? |
| 09:01:05 | | killefiz: sorry... |
| 09:01:05 | killefiz | ibot: convert 450 GBP to EUR |
| 09:01:06 | _AleX_ | yes azerty is the standard in France |
| 09:01:23 | | George-: excuse me? |
| 09:01:23 | George- | ibot: convert 450 GBP to USD |
| 09:01:27 | George- | ass |
| 09:01:28 | George- | ;) |
| 09:02:34 | killefiz | 450 GBP are 686 US$ and 702 EUR |
| 09:02:58 | _AleX_ | ! |
| 09:03:06 | George- | killefiz: yeh, it's stupid |
| 09:03:07 | _AleX_ | 700 euro ! |
| 09:03:16 | George- | killefiz: that's why I bought my Zaurus in USA :) |
| 09:03:22 | George- | killefiz: for 300 USD |
| 09:03:30 | _AleX_ | 300 or 399 ? |
| 09:03:46 | _AleX_ | 399 is the price found on amazon |
| 09:03:46 | killefiz | 700 EUR is still the official price in germany - lowest street price is 580 EUR |
| 09:03:55 | killefiz | George-: are you in the uk? |
| 09:04:01 | George- | killefiz: yes |
| 09:04:07 | George- | killefiz: I got a 5000D off ebay :) |
| 09:04:14 | Wembly | omg |
| 09:04:15 | killefiz | George-: coming to lbw next week? |
| 09:04:16 | Wembly | this is so sweet |
| 09:04:22 | George- | lbw? |
| 09:04:27 | killefiz | http://www.lbw2002.draiocht.net/ |
| 09:04:32 | _AleX_ | the azerty edition will be more expensive |
| 09:04:34 | Wembly | just got intellisync to sync across the network. :) |
| 09:04:46 | George- | Wembly: what is? |
| 09:04:48 | George- | LOL |
| 09:05:02 | George- | killefiz: is that the Linux Beer Hike? |
| 09:05:07 | Wembly | with a pinch of proxyarp NAT and gawd knows what else and a pound of luck :) |
| 09:05:09 | killefiz | George-: yes |
| 09:05:21 | George- | It's in Ireland? |
| 09:05:25 | killefiz | it's in doolin, ireland this year |
| 09:05:29 | Wembly | cus well.. hehe i have no clue what im doing when it comes to networking. |
| 09:05:33 | Wembly | gosh darn linux magic box :) |
| 09:05:36 | George- | hah |
| 09:05:46 | Wembly | i have like 4 network interfaces on this system. |
| 09:05:47 | _AleX_ | another question : the usb dock station that come with the zaurus can be connected with linux ? |
| 09:05:57 | George- | heh, are 14 year olds allowed? :) |
| 09:05:58 | Wembly | its a wonder packets actually get to where they need to go :) |
| 09:06:09 | killefiz | George-: why not? |
| 09:06:20 | Wembly | alex: if im understanding your question correctly.. yes |
| 09:06:25 | George- | killefiz: I dunno |
| 09:06:31 | killefiz | there will be 3 year olds ; |
| 09:06:36 | George- | killefiz: since it's a Linux Beer hike :) |
| 09:06:43 | _AleX_ | Wembly: sorry for my poor engish, i'm french ;-) |
| 09:06:47 | Wembly | alex: you can plug a zaurus into the usb port on a system running linux. |
| 09:06:56 | _AleX_ | cool |
| 09:07:13 | George- | yes, but it'll require a recompilation of the kernel :) |
| 09:07:15 | killefiz | George-: you don't have to do all three - linux and hiking or even linux alone is sufficient ;) |
| 09:07:15 | _AleX_ | and what is the software for speaking with it ? |
| 09:07:22 | George- | (or use of the "standalone" driver) |
| 09:07:30 | Wembly | alex: and with the proper setup you can have it get onto the inet from the craddle along with syncing it useing qtopia desktop in linux (i think havnt used linux sync software yet) |
| 09:07:31 | George- | _AleX_: usbdnet |
| 09:07:37 | George- | killefiz: heh |
| 09:07:44 | George- | killefiz: I might not be able to go |
| 09:08:10 | _AleX_ | it's very cool |
| 09:08:14 | Wembly | alex: the zaurus builds a point to point network between the host and itself. |
| 09:08:26 | killefiz | register on the website - there may be someone who can give you a lift from england |
| 09:08:33 | George- | Wembly: don't forget to mention that usbdnet sucks |
| 09:08:33 | _AleX_ | very kewl |
| 09:08:33 | Wembly | alex: useing the usbdnet drivers. |
| 09:08:54 | George- | Currency: Euro (?). |
| 09:08:58 | George- | In Ireland?!?!!? |
| 09:09:03 | _AleX_ | killefiz: i'm just registering on developer's website.. |
| 09:09:11 | Wembly | george: if it keeps sucking im going to kick its ass till its done sucking and fix the damned thing. even if it means i have to learn kernel driver junk. |
| 09:09:27 | George- | Wembly: hahaha |
| 09:09:30 | killefiz | George-: of course EUR - the only true currency ;) |
| 09:09:34 | George- | NOOO |
| 09:09:37 | George- | GBP! :) |
| 09:09:52 | George- | hah, I could camp *g* |
| 09:09:55 | Wembly | george: usbdnet's biggest problem is just that it lacks a good kernel developer to hack at it to fix its race condition(s?) |
| 09:09:56 | killefiz | i give you guys 5 years then you'll have joined the euro |
| 09:10:10 | George- | boohoo |
| 09:10:12 | George- | lol |
| 09:10:18 | George- | I'm so used to working in pounds |
| 09:10:45 | Wembly | but eventually it'll be brought upto spec with smp kernels and such like that. and then that should get rid of the race conditions. |
| 09:10:52 | George- | august 24th-31st |
| 09:10:56 | George- | hrmm |
| 09:11:08 | George- | On september 3rd I go back to school... |
| 09:11:32 | George- | hah, can't make it |
| 09:11:35 | killefiz | George-: you can leave earlier ... |
| 09:11:48 | Wembly | i seem to be the only one having the most problems with usbdnet too :/ |
| 09:11:50 | George- | I go to france on 24th |
| 09:11:58 | Wembly | herm |
| 09:12:03 | George- | come back on 26th |
| 09:12:03 | Wembly | back to hacking at oz. |
| 09:12:44 | George- | heh |
| 09:12:47 | killefiz | George-: well - then see you next year in slovakia |
| 09:12:49 | killefiz | http://lbw2003.anteus.hu |
| 09:13:10 | _AleX_ | links for buying a zaurus on the developper website are broken ... |
| 09:13:11 | George- | hahahaha |
| 09:13:20 | George- | No way :) |
| 09:13:33 | killefiz | _AleX_: what developer website? |
| 09:15:36 | _AleX_ | killefiz: during the registring process |
| 09:15:51 | _AleX_ | at the end, when you can buy a zaurus |
| 09:15:58 | George- | _AleX_: you mean developer.sharpsec.com? |
| 09:16:03 | killefiz | i don't think that that's still active |
| 09:16:10 | killefiz | these pages were for buying 5000D's |
| 09:16:15 | _AleX_ | yes |
| 09:17:37 | George- | at the end, it redirects you to the 5500 page :) |
| 09:17:49 | _AleX_ | if i'm a zaurus's developper, i can buy a zaurus less expensive ? |
| 09:18:10 | George- | no |
| 09:18:18 | killefiz | in germany - yes |
| 09:18:47 | _AleX_ | maybe i can work on the french porting ? |
| 09:19:02 | George- | _AleX_: do you know Qt? |
| 09:19:09 | George- | killefiz: in germany you can? |
| 09:19:32 | _AleX_ | i can learn it ... |
| 09:19:54 | killefiz | George-: yes - but they track the progress of your project |
| 09:20:33 | killefiz | it's 550 EUR then |
| 09:20:34 | _AleX_ | killefiz: do you have a contact in france ? |
| 09:21:02 | killefiz | a sharp contact? no |
| 09:23:58 | _AleX_ | killefiz: what's the best place for buying the zaurus ? (a company that can send it in france...) |
| 09:24:36 | _AleX_ | i don't wait 6 months for a very expensive french edition .... |
| 09:24:54 | killefiz | _AleX_: i would try to get one from the us |
| 09:25:35 | George- | killefiz: they track progress? |
| 09:25:44 | George- | killefiz: and what happens if you don't do the proj? :) |
| 09:25:58 | _AleX_ | what's the best price ? i've see it 399$ on amazon |
| 09:26:04 | killefiz | George-: probably nothing |
| 09:26:09 | George- | 306$ at bestbuy, or something |
| 09:26:24 | George- | _AleX_: check ebay |
| 09:26:32 | Wembly | freaky |
| 09:26:52 | _AleX_ | good idea... thanx George- killefiz |
| 09:27:16 | George- | hang on |
| 09:27:19 | George- | I'm just checking ebay france :) |
| 09:27:55 | DaWorm | good idea |
| 09:28:51 | _AleX_ | no zaurus on ebay.fr :-( |
| 09:30:17 | George- | _AleX_: hang on :) |
| 09:30:42 | George- | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1374720237 |
| 09:30:59 | George- | Location: "SOMEWHERE IN GERMANY", Buy It Now 389 EUR |
| 09:31:11 | George- | that's the 5000D |
| 09:31:20 | _AleX_ | George-: thanx |
| 09:31:20 | killefiz | too much |
| 09:31:27 | killefiz | don't buy a 5000D if you can avoid it |
| 09:31:48 | George- | killefiz: it is a bit too much... |
| 09:32:02 | George- | killefiz: I got my 5000D several months ago for cheaper than that :) |
| 09:32:12 | George- | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1374193718 |
| 09:32:25 | George- | uh, that's got a reserve price :) |
| 09:32:49 | George- | but it comes with a 64MB cf card... |
| 09:33:37 | _AleX_ | yes cool |
| 09:33:59 | George- | but it's in US, and has reserve... |
| 09:34:15 | _AleX_ | very very cool : Brand New Never Used, Seller posts internationally |
| 09:35:00 | George- | yup |
| 09:35:05 | George- | or you can buy my 5000D for 1200 EUR! :) |
| 09:35:14 | George- | comes with.. er.. nothing |
| 09:35:15 | _AleX_ | ;-)) |
| 09:41:04 | reg | hi there |
| 09:41:28 | George- | hi reg |
| 09:42:48 | reg | does anyone know a good ssh tunneling howto? |
| 09:43:16 | reg | something for absolute beginners? |
| 09:43:19 | George- | what do you want to do? |
| 09:43:31 | George- | what do you want to do? |
| 09:45:46 | reg | I'll be in an unsecured wireless lan, and I don't want any jokers to see e-mail and certain website passwords |
| 09:46:40 | Wembly | ibot help |
| 09:47:10 | George- | reg: you want to tunnel an X session? |
| 09:47:36 | reg | I think I want port forewarding |
| 09:48:13 | George- | I dunno |
| 09:48:21 | | i heard ssh was http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen |
| 09:48:21 | George- | ibot ssh |
| 09:50:57 | reg | always the same reference to O'Reillys SSH book |
| 09:51:05 | reg | I guess I need that |
| 09:52:56 | reg | I could check my mail via Mobile phone but there seems to be a problem with the latest German ROM, which I need for my SanDisk SD, but which also seems to cause problems with the connection via mobile phones |
| 09:53:46 | reg | it's ROM 2.38G, I wonder if the US ROM 2.38 does the same |
| 09:58:09 | reg | thanks George- |
| 09:58:33 | George- | ? |
| 09:59:52 | Wembly | well.. |
| 09:59:57 | Wembly | ill bbl it looks like |
| 10:00:00 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 10:00:14 | Wembly | *really needs to stop hacking on junk that he actually intends to use :/ |
| 10:00:20 | Wembly | brb |
| 10:00:58 | reg | George- for ibot ssh |
| 10:01:29 | George- | oh |
| 10:01:32 | George- | np :) |
| 10:02:00 | scanline | is away: Zzzz Zzzzz ZzzZzZzz |
| 10:09:04 | _AleX_ | George-: thanks to you ... i'm just sending a email to the zaurus' seller |
| 10:09:14 | George- | _AleX_: haha |
| 10:09:24 | _AleX_ | 350$ + postage cost is a good price |
| 10:12:00 | _AleX_ | zaurus seen to be a very good product ....i'm very impatient to ply with it! |
| 10:12:27 | George- | _AleX_: hehe |
| 10:15:16 | reg | I love my zaurus |
| 10:15:35 | George- | reg: 5500G? |
| 10:15:40 | reg | yes |
| 10:19:27 | reg | some of the software isn't quite like I would like to have it, but on a Win Box (i'm forced to work on one) most of the software is somewhat or rather more quirky |
| 10:19:51 | _AleX_ | George-: on amazon.com : Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 PDA |
| 10:19:51 | _AleX_ | by Sharp |
| 10:19:51 | _AleX_ | $338.94 |
| 10:19:51 | _AleX_ | - Quantity : 1 |
| 10:21:01 | George- | k |
| 10:24:35 | reg | has a very old notebook at home, but I only use it for looking up manpages now |
| 10:24:41 | _AleX_ | George-: what is hte first accessory that i'll need ? a 128M CF card ? |
| 10:25:01 | George- | _AleX_: you don't _need_ any |
| 10:25:09 | George- | _AleX_: but a CF card would be nice :) |
| 10:25:24 | reg | has both: a cf and a sd card |
| 10:25:38 | _AleX_ | iking CF128M 128 MB Compact Flash Card : 50$ on amazon.. |
| 10:25:45 | reg | cf only for backups, and the sd has some applications on it |
| 10:26:22 | reg | didn't want applications to sit on cf, because i might need cf for networking or other stuff |
| 10:26:27 | _AleX_ | reg : you can't store data on CF ? |
| 10:26:44 | reg | you can |
| 10:27:06 | reg | no problem with that |
| 10:27:19 | _AleX_ | you mount the CF card ? right? |
| 10:27:24 | _AleX_ | like a disk ? |
| 10:27:50 | reg | yeah, you slide it in, and usually it gets auto-mounted |
| 10:28:01 | _AleX_ | kewl |
| 10:28:20 | reg | you just have to unmount it, when you take it out |
| 10:28:52 | _AleX_ | with the dockstation, i can access zaurus via network ? sshd is available ? |
| 10:29:37 | robert_ | re |
| 10:29:44 | reg | you have to install openssh for ssh |
| 10:29:52 | | i guess ssh is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen |
| 10:29:52 | reg | ibot ssh |
| 10:30:29 | reg | but even I could install it without problems |
| 10:31:00 | reg | rehi, robert |
| 10:31:45 | _AleX_ | telnetd works ? |
| 10:32:18 | reg | yes |
| 10:33:06 | _AleX_ | so you can telnet the zaurus when it's on this usb dockstation |
| 10:33:29 | reg | at least with windows theres no problem |
| 10:33:41 | George- | telnet sucks |
| 10:34:26 | _AleX_ | i don't use windows |
| 10:34:39 | _AleX_ | only linux ... since 8 years |
| 10:34:40 | reg | it was good enough when nothing better was available, George- |
| 10:34:47 | reg | you're lucky |
| 10:35:29 | reg | started out on computers with DR DOS |
| 10:36:11 | George- | i started out on MS-DOS 5, so what? |
| 10:36:39 | _AleX_ | cp/m for me... |
| 10:36:54 | reg | shortly afterwards microsoft announced that they would not guarantee their software could run unter anything other than MS-DOS or Windows |
| 10:37:13 | ljp | . |
| 10:37:54 | Wembly | herm. |
| 10:38:01 | _AleX_ | bill gates has performed an illegal operation and has been shut down. |
| 10:38:09 | reg | That meant windows for me since then |
| 10:38:30 | reg | unfortunately |
| 10:38:44 | George- | hrmm |
| 10:38:50 | George- | Novell Dos was pretty good |
| 10:41:39 | reg | so was DR DOS, I had more problems with MS-DOS and even more with win95 |
| 10:43:00 | reg | but I have reason to hope my days with billware are counted |
| 10:43:07 | George- | does QMainWindow supply a statusBar? |
| 10:43:41 | George- | oh yes, it does |
| 10:43:42 | George- | whoops :) |
| 10:43:52 | reg | :) |
| 10:54:31 | _AleX_ | stupid question : somebody speak french ? |
| 10:57:14 | ljp | I can understand it very very little |
| 10:58:39 | [George] | yo ljp |
| 10:59:03 | ljp | hey |
| 11:02:34 | reg | I understand most of it, but I speak (or write) only a little french |
| 11:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 11:09:10 | reg | hi |
| 11:18:50 | Erwan_ | hello |
| 11:19:55 | numatrix | Good morning. |
| 11:19:57 | _AleX_ | i'm just calling sharp france ... zaurus never come on the french market |
| 11:20:00 | [George] | hey |
| 11:20:04 | _AleX_ | ;-( |
| 11:20:07 | [George] | _AleX_: It's never coming? |
| 11:20:13 | _AleX_ | yes |
| 11:20:17 | [George] | erm |
| 11:20:25 | [George] | get it from that eBay place then :) |
| 11:20:51 | Erwan_ | AleX: pas de bol |
| 11:21:06 | _AleX_ | [George]: do you think i'll pay duty tax if i buy it on ebay (it's a second-hand product) |
| 11:21:18 | [George] | I had to pay import duty on mine... |
| 11:21:23 | _AleX_ | tu parles francais Erwan_ |
| 11:21:42 | Erwan_ | je suis francais |
| 11:21:50 | _AleX_ | ah c'est cool |
| 11:22:01 | Erwan_ | but it's better to speak in english here for our friends :) |
| 11:22:08 | _AleX_ | moi aussi ! a toulouse |
| 11:22:09 | _AleX_ | ok |
| 11:22:12 | [George] | welcome to #Cryptic! :) |
| 11:22:14 | [George] | j/k |
| 11:22:28 | reg | meme pas la version anglaise du Z? |
| 11:22:30 | mark | _AleX_: french is fine for me :) |
| 11:22:41 | [George] | mark: ass! :) |
| 11:22:42 | _AleX_ | i speak a poor engish... sorry |
| 11:22:48 | Erwan_ | ok, ben on va parler francais alors |
| 11:23:19 | mark | _AleX_: pas problem, mais [George] ne parle pas francais |
| 11:23:22 | _AleX_ | Erwan_ entre nous c cool ;-) ou en pv si tu veux |
| 11:23:26 | [George] | ARGH! |
| 11:23:40 | _AleX_ | [George]: do you want to learn french please ? |
| 11:23:41 | Erwan_ | sorry George ! |
| 11:23:58 | _AleX_ | ;-) |
| 11:24:18 | [George] | _AleX_: I got a D at scholarship french |
| 11:24:22 | [George] | hehe |
| 11:24:29 | _AleX_ | ;-) like me in english ! |
| 11:24:33 | [George] | hah |
| 11:24:36 | [George] | at least you can speak it |
| 11:24:57 | [George] | uh wait |
| 11:24:59 | [George] | I got a C |
| 11:25:02 | [George] | lol |
| 11:25:27 | _AleX_ | ;-) |
| 11:25:32 | mark | [George]: l'examen de 'CE' est tres facile |
| 11:25:48 | [George] | mark: I don't care about CE, that's an insult |
| 11:26:21 | [George] | thinks CE is insultingly easy |
| 11:28:06 | djk | George-: why the dash? |
| 11:28:19 | George- | djk: "George" is taken :) |
| 11:28:23 | djk | ah |
| 11:30:31 | djk | Does anybody know if there is 'weather report' program for the Z like the one in the Gnome Linux world? |
| 11:32:24 | George- | heya chouuuuuuuiiiimmmmaattt |
| 11:32:38 | chouimat | hi George- |
| 11:32:55 | George- | chouimat: finished nessus yet? |
| 11:33:09 | chouimat | George-: I lost again my broadband connection :( |
| 11:33:23 | djk | chouimat: forever? |
| 11:33:31 | chouimat | George-: will do that today. Because I can't do nothing else |
| 11:34:23 | George- | oh |
| 11:34:28 | chouimat | djk: no. I'm on cable. and my cable co tech are on strike for the last 4 months. and once in a while some jerks thinks it's funny to cut the cable :) |
| 11:34:56 | George- | what do we do with the apps when we've finished them? |
| 11:35:01 | George- | where do we submit them? |
| 11:35:29 | chouimat | George-: email to sharp.com :) |
| 11:35:41 | George- | where @ sharp.com? |
| 11:36:26 | chouimat | George-: contest@zaurus.com |
| 11:37:10 | Erwan_ | George: their mailbox is full... Impossible to send... |
| 11:37:28 | chouimat | FUCK!!!! |
| 11:37:39 | George- | WTF??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!!?!?!!?!? |
| 11:37:40 | djk | HEY! |
| 11:37:54 | George- | Let's go scream at Sniper |
| 11:37:58 | George- | fucking idiot |
| 11:38:06 | djk | Language Guys |
| 11:38:25 | George- | slaps djk around with a big fat nessus client |
| 11:38:56 | djk | But I want a nessus server <grin> |
| 11:39:08 | George- | bah, ass |
| 11:39:18 | George- | slaps djk around with a big fat nessus server running on Windows XP |
| 11:39:22 | chouimat | djk: do you prefer: "Toe mon hostie de tabarnack de calice de ciboire de twit du crisse de calice du saint-calvert" ? |
| 11:39:49 | djk | George-: Nessus on Windows XP now that hurts |
| 11:40:02 | George- | yup |
| 11:42:18 | djk | chouimat: in english ? |
| 11:42:41 | numatrix | George-: chill out, send the contest entries to huangs@sharp.com if contest is full... try contest first though, I think they've cleaned the mailbox out. |
| 11:42:57 | chouimat | djk: I don't think it will translante well |
| 11:43:17 | djk | A full contest mailbox should be a good thing, no? |
| 11:43:42 | George- | NO |
| 11:43:44 | djk | chouimat: babblefish didn't do anything with it |
| 11:44:08 | djk | at least in one way. It should mean that there will lots of new apps for the Z |
| 11:44:11 | chouimat | djk: in english: motherfucker :) |
| 11:44:11 | George- | numatrix: ahh, ok |
| 11:44:16 | George- | chouimat: LOL |
| 11:44:37 | chouimat | djk: or they get a lot of porn |
| 11:44:52 | George- | <LinuxHelper> can i get op at linux?? |
| 11:44:53 | djk | there is that |
| 11:44:53 | George- | arse hole |
| 11:44:59 | George- | I FUCKING HATE OP BEGGERS |
| 11:46:32 | seth | Hi. I flashed the oz-image yesterday for the first time. does anyone know how I can get my german keyboard layout back? |
| 11:47:06 | numatrix | George-: sounds like you haven't had your coffee yet this morning. ;-) |
| 11:47:17 | George- | numatrix: I don't drink coffee :) |
| 11:47:26 | George- | <George-> NO |
| 11:47:26 | George- | <LinuxHelper> y George |
| 11:47:26 | George- | <George-> welcome to ignore |
| 11:47:29 | George- | haha |
| 11:47:33 | reg | *sigh* |
| 11:47:36 | numatrix | George-: me neither, I drank coke until I went to the dentists and found out I had 9 cavities!! |
| 11:47:48 | George- | numatrix: yeh, coke dissolves ur teeth |
| 11:47:53 | numatrix | seth: Flash back to the german rom? I don't know if they have the international keyboard working in OZ yet. |
| 11:48:13 | numatrix | George-: I sure found that out.. stupid cavities. Gonna be the cost of a good laptop to get them all filled. |
| 11:48:15 | seth | there is no germen oz, is tehre? |
| 11:48:55 | George- | seth: OZ supports i19n |
| 11:48:57 | George- | er.. |
| 11:48:58 | George- | i18n |
| 11:49:07 | numatrix | seth: I don't think so, but the more competant OZ people aren't awake yet (or here), I'm not the best person to ask. You might want to hang around. |
| 11:49:07 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 11:49:12 | numatrix | Morning Harlekin |
| 11:49:23 | Harlekin | hi numatrix |
| 11:49:38 | George- | yo Harlekin |
| 11:49:42 | numatrix | George-: does that include keyboard mappings? |
| 11:50:02 | George- | I don't know |
| 11:50:04 | George- | probably |
| 11:50:27 | Harlekin | Onyx4: new ipks |
| 11:50:34 | numatrix | seth: so I may be wrong. :-) Like I said, hang around. |
| 11:50:42 | numatrix | Harlekin: you fix the bug with the retail roms yet? |
| 11:50:56 | George- | numatrix: he has |
| 11:51:00 | Harlekin | numatrix: yes |
| 11:51:20 | George- | and he doesn't trust me *g* |
| 11:52:16 | Harlekin | numatrix: usual place to get |
| 11:52:39 | numatrix | Harlekin: excellent, I'll give it a whirl. What turned out to be the problem? |
| 11:53:29 | George- | Harlekin: which rom did you test it with? |
| 11:53:35 | Harlekin | numatrix: hehe, no comment |
| 11:53:43 | Harlekin | George-: i did with none |
| 11:53:47 | Harlekin | George-: other people did |
| 11:53:50 | Harlekin | like Onyx4 |
| 11:53:58 | George- | shines a bloody big light in front of Harlekin *What was WRONG???" |
| 11:53:59 | George- | :) |
| 11:57:26 | Skizotoro | wee. |
| 12:00:21 | chouimat|coffee | Skizotoro: Ok |
| 12:00:41 | Skizotoro | ah, I love having authority over people. |
| 12:01:06 | chouimat|coffee | Skizotoro: can I ask you if I can go to pee? |
| 12:01:48 | Skizotoro | no, you were just ordered to. Failing to do so will result in.. .. well, no consequence.. |
| 12:02:02 | chouimat|coffee | :) |
| 12:05:49 | George- | ahh ffs |
| 12:05:56 | George- | QColorDialog isn't compiled in |
| 12:06:01 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 12:06:04 | Harlekin | you libopie |
| 12:06:09 | Harlekin | we have one |
| 12:06:14 | George- | bah |
| 12:06:24 | Wembly | and brb once again. |
| 12:06:28 | Wembly | gawd i think my systems falling apart. |
| 12:06:47 | George- | Harlekin: why is the Opie project reinventing the wheel? |
| 12:07:32 | Harlekin | it is not |
| 12:07:38 | Harlekin | we just wanted to have it |
| 12:07:46 | Harlekin | but you can programm one for yourself if you want |
| 12:07:49 | Skizotoro | anyone know if the Cancel/Okay/Home/etc keys can be used by a program, or if they are always read by the main system instead? [I'm not sure, just trying a lazy hack into gnuboy to make it use better keys] |
| 12:08:03 | George- | Harlekin: Yes, that's what I'm going to do :) |
| 12:14:31 | djk | Anybody done a Weather Report app for the Z yet? I guess I could scrap a site befor edisconnecting. |
| 12:15:38 | Harlekin | djk: maybe try opie-sh for that and just write a small bash script |
| 12:15:41 | Harlekin | might be easier |
| 12:16:15 | bipolar | Has anyone heard anything about a sync client for Novell Groupwise? |
| 12:16:30 | George- | djk: check the ZSI |
| 12:16:59 | djk | George-: ZSI? |
| 12:17:07 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 12:17:07 | George- | ibot zsi |
| 12:17:37 | djk | thank you I always forget that one and it so good |
| 12:25:29 | George- | how do I determine whether the app is running on OZ, Sharp or something else? |
| 12:33:16 | chouimat|coffee | later |
| 12:35:18 | BigBoss | l |
| 12:36:11 | Harlekin | hi benmeyer |
| 12:36:16 | benmeyer | morning |
| 12:36:17 | Harlekin | benmeyer: no need to debug anymore |
| 12:36:24 | benmeyer | wee contest entries |
| 12:36:29 | benmeyer | ? |
| 12:36:33 | benmeyer | found the issue? |
| 12:36:36 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 12:36:40 | benmeyer | What was it? |
| 12:36:43 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 12:36:46 | mark | hi benmeyer |
| 12:36:55 | Harlekin | benmeyer: somebody used getenv |
| 12:37:33 | ljp_ | or, rather somebody used getenv with a wrong parameter |
| 12:37:34 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 12:37:44 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 12:37:46 | George- | benmeyer: Do we submit final apps to contest@sharp.com? |
| 12:37:54 | benmeyer | yah |
| 12:38:09 | benmeyer | but everyone out there is doing jsut that so I guess the e-mail mailbox got full |
| 12:38:19 | George- | lol |
| 12:38:20 | George- | ok |
| 12:38:29 | George- | I heard that |
| 12:38:32 | mark | George-: you finished urs? |
| 12:40:09 | George- | nope |
| 12:46:01 | benmeyer | we are geting IT to remove the limit |
| 12:46:37 | tux_mike | ben: i can hear the grumblings now :) |
| 12:47:28 | George- | benmeyer: like the BOFH :) |
| 12:47:34 | George- | benmeyer: "You have PLENTY of space now" |
| 12:47:35 | George- | hehe |
| 12:47:42 | George- | and he just deleted everything in it :) |
| 12:47:52 | tux_mike | that'd be bad |
| 12:49:40 | George- | what do you expect from the BOFH/ |
| 12:49:50 | benmeyer | bofh? |
| 12:50:09 | George- | Bastard Operator From Hell |
| 12:50:11 | | George-: sorry... |
| 12:50:11 | George- | ibot bofh |
| 12:50:19 | George- | stupid ibot needs to be educated |
| 12:50:24 | | OK, tux_mike. |
| 12:50:24 | tux_mike | ibot bofh is George |
| 12:50:27 | tux_mike | :) |
| 12:50:34 | George- | tux_mike: I'm NOT the bofh |
| 12:50:36 | benmeyer | ah |
| 12:50:37 | George- | hey rikkus |
| 12:50:41 | tux_mike | you are now |
| 12:50:42 | rikkus | hi |
| 12:50:42 | | hmmm... bofh is George |
| 12:50:42 | tux_mike | ibot bofh |
| 12:50:55 | | George-: I forgot bofh |
| 12:50:55 | George- | ibot forget bofh |
| 12:50:59 | benmeyer | actually our IT is pretty good sense the Sharp USA office is Marketing they know how to seperate themselves from the morons |
| 12:50:59 | | and don't you forget it |
| 12:50:59 | tux_mike | ibot knows all |
| 12:51:16 | George- | LOL |
| 12:51:37 | George- | benmeyer: cool |
| 12:52:03 | George- | #define QT_NO_STYLE_POCKETPC |
| 12:52:07 | George- | wtf/ |
| 12:53:39 | [George] | argh |
| 12:55:34 | | oh Great Googli-Moogli! |
| 12:55:34 | benmeyer | ibot sharp |
| 12:55:43 | | benmeyer: huh? |
| 12:55:43 | benmeyer | ibot SharpSec |
| 12:55:48 | | it has been said that benmeyer is the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 12:55:48 | benmeyer | ibot me |
| 12:56:10 | JasonNJ | hmm. |
| 12:56:17 | | linux is, like, ruling the world of Open Source! http://www.linux.org |
| 12:56:17 | benmeyer | ibot linux |
| 12:56:24 | | hmmm... palm is in trouble: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5965599.html?tag=tp_pr |
| 12:56:24 | JasonNJ | ibot palm |
| 12:56:27 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 12:56:27 | benmeyer | ibot jolt |
| 12:56:35 | | oh Great Googli-Moogli! |
| 12:56:35 | ljp_ | ibot sharp |
| 12:56:47 | | rumour has it ipaq is a Strongarm based PDA with 206Mhz CPU and 32Mb RAM. http://www.compaq.com/products/handhelds/pocketpc/ and is also available in 64 meg version |
| 12:56:47 | JasonNJ | ibot ipaq |
| 12:56:56 | | The best company known to man. =D Go out and buy an hp laserjet today. =D |
| 12:56:56 | JasonNJ | ibot hp |
| 12:57:06 | | JasonNJ: what? |
| 12:57:06 | JasonNJ | ibot ibm |
| 12:57:07 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 12:57:28 | | well, rms is a total freak. i hate that guy. i hope he has an accident with one of the hundreds of guns he has or maybe that's ESR... |
| 12:57:28 | JasonNJ | ibot rms |
| 12:57:30 | benmeyer | bla, well I have to go through submissions today |
| 12:57:41 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 12:58:19 | George- | hahahaha |
| 12:58:33 | George- | ESR == Eric S Raymond? |
| 12:58:51 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-08-20 13:11:14 | Turbolinux Sells Linux Business | Who is Using Tomcat or Jetty in Production? | How To Clone A Mammoth | Starbucks Clashes With WiFi Hobbyists Over Airwaves |
| 12:58:51 | JasonNJ | ibot slashdot |
| 12:59:15 | | JasonNJ: excuse me? |
| 12:59:15 | JasonNJ | ibot quote msft |
| 12:59:18 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 12:59:25 | JasonNJ | he doesnt do stock quotes? |
| 12:59:28 | | JasonNJ: i'm not following you... |
| 12:59:28 | JasonNJ | ibot msft |
| 12:59:36 | | George-: huh? |
| 12:59:36 | George- | ibot MSCE |
| 12:59:39 | George- | haha |
| 12:59:44 | | i guess microsoft is evil! |
| 12:59:44 | George- | ibot microsoft |
| 12:59:53 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 12:59:53 | George- | ibot you suck |
| 13:00:04 | George- | damn right you're not! |
| 13:00:36 | ljp_ | ugh,,.. jason, you should have never got George started on ibot... |
| 13:00:41 | BigBoss | holy smokes, turbolinux was sold? |
| 13:00:47 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 13:00:49 | | i think bigboss is the president of TheKompany |
| 13:00:49 | BigBoss | ibot bigboss |
| 13:00:52 | JasonNJ | for a crisp cool mil |
| 13:01:13 | BigBoss | christ - yet another company burning through millions with no plan for success |
| 13:01:23 | George- | ljp_: gasp! :) |
| 13:01:28 | BigBoss | why even buy them? that's just stupid, like buying the Corel distro. Just buy a box and fork it |
| 13:01:29 | JasonNJ | I was never particularly impressed with turbo's distro |
| 13:01:31 | George- | ISP Bans RIAA to Protect Its Customers |
| 13:01:48 | BigBoss | I have never ever had any of my customers using Turbo |
| 13:01:52 | JasonNJ | big: they have a sizeable customer base in Japan |
| 13:01:57 | JasonNJ | a japanese company bought them: |
| 13:02:01 | ljp_ | I have a turbolinux cd |
| 13:02:08 | JasonNJ | big: did you get my link this morning? |
| 13:02:13 | JasonNJ | what a funny site. |
| 13:02:21 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: yes - I was already aware of it, it is soooo funny |
| 13:02:24 | George- | I have a free turbo linux cd ; |
| 13:02:25 | George- | :) |
| 13:02:34 | JasonNJ | engrish.com |
| 13:02:47 | JasonNJ | I know people who actually talk like that |
| 13:03:07 | BigBoss | yea - the people at Hancom |
| 13:03:35 | George- | LOL |
| 13:05:56 | mark | hmm, having to compile qtopia apps in gcc 2.9x will be a pain once the distros move to 3.2 |
| 13:06:19 | mark | we need at qt3 based Z :) |
| 13:06:39 | BigBoss | mark: yes we do |
| 13:06:45 | bipolar | mark: we could run a test compile of OZ and see how it runs |
| 13:07:24 | mark | bipolar: qt2.x wont compile with gcc 3.x will it? |
| 13:07:33 | bipolar | mark: why not? |
| 13:07:35 | bipolar | brb |
| 13:07:40 | ljp_ | yes.. there is a branch for gcc3 |
| 13:07:47 | ljp_ | dmwm2 has it |
| 13:08:03 | mark | ljp_: i understood he used qt3 for that |
| 13:08:07 | ljp_ | and I think zecke does one also |
| 13:08:11 | BigBoss | geez, this redhat ftp server is giving me 15kps, it's gonna take a week to download this beta distro |
| 13:08:24 | ljp_ | mark: that also |
| 13:08:42 | mark | BigBoss: i'd kill for 15kps :) |
| 13:09:26 | benmeyer | linuxiso.org |
| 13:10:06 | mark | benmeyer: will the 5600 will be on qtopia3 based? |
| 13:10:30 | George- | I'd kill for 15Gbps |
| 13:10:43 | | Ask me about SL-5600 instead |
| 13:10:43 | benmeyer | ibot 5600 |
| 13:10:51 | | i guess SL-5600 is the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. or the next US model to be released |
| 13:10:51 | benmeyer | ibot SL-5600 |
| 13:11:11 | benmeyer | hmmm used to say that was all speculation |
| 13:11:37 | | OK, benmeyer. |
| 13:11:37 | benmeyer | ibot learn that the only part known of the 5600 is that it will have xscale (and even then the speed isn't known) |
| 13:11:53 | | SL-5600 is the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. or the next US model to be released |
| 13:11:53 | benmeyer | ibot SL-5600 |
| 13:12:04 | George- | benmeyer: JasonNJ said it'd be based on 400Mhz |
| 13:12:05 | George- | iirc |
| 13:12:28 | JasonNJ | george: thats an assumption, but I dont know the full details either |
| 13:12:37 | benmeyer | well that hasn't been formally been stated via press releases etc or whatnot so it is entirly subject to change |
| 13:12:56 | JasonNJ | there are other xscale chips |
| 13:13:02 | JasonNJ | that are due from intel |
| 13:13:20 | fusion94 | George-: yeah but JasonNJ doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 13:13:21 | George- | just a hint, get a bigger battery |
| 13:13:25 | George- | fusion94: hahaha |
| 13:13:28 | JasonNJ | whether we go witht he current shipping generation or the next is anyone's guess, it depends on the avaliability of silicon |
| 13:13:29 | benmeyer | it would be a logical step, but is not our position that it is what will happen, we don't have one other then it will be xscale |
| 13:13:45 | JasonNJ | fusion: right, I am clueless |
| 13:13:52 | JasonNJ | just keep telling that to yourself! |
| 13:13:54 | George- | JasonNJ: haha |
| 13:14:33 | mark | hopes for internal microphone/speaker too. |
| 13:15:07 | Harlekin | hopes for bluetooth .-) |
| 13:15:15 | tux_mike | jason: go for the gusto. 800MHz |
| 13:15:21 | mark | Harlekin: that'd be nice :) |
| 13:15:33 | Harlekin | mark: yeah , since wlan is a quite stupid idea |
| 13:15:34 | BigBoss | and a fusion power source |
| 13:15:37 | Harlekin | imho |
| 13:15:38 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: um no i never said you were clueless....i reserve that title for marknovak |
| 13:15:43 | George- | Harlekin: why is wlan stupid? |
| 13:15:48 | Harlekin | George-: great power usage |
| 13:15:51 | tux_mike | Mr. Fusion! :) |
| 13:15:53 | Harlekin | George-: bt is nearly nothing |
| 13:16:00 | JasonNJ | fusion: who is marknovak? |
| 13:16:06 | mark | Harlekin: i'd like one device with 802.11, bluetooth, gps, gsm |
| 13:16:13 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 13:16:15 | | marknovak is, like, a 12 year retard |
| 13:16:15 | fusion94 | ibot: marknovak ? |
| 13:16:23 | Harlekin | mark: and then 2 extra bat packs? |
| 13:16:26 | JasonNJ | doesnt he have a box full of Z's? |
| 13:16:29 | fusion94 | yeah |
| 13:16:36 | JasonNJ | yeah, but like, why |
| 13:16:39 | mark | Harlekin: heh, thats the problem |
| 13:16:43 | BigBoss | marknovak works for Sun I believe |
| 13:16:52 | fusion94 | he seems a bit strange |
| 13:16:53 | JasonNJ | I dont know who he is! |
| 13:16:57 | BigBoss | he's a customer of ours, but he can be, shall we say, challenging |
| 13:17:20 | fusion94 | BigBoss: challenging ?? communicating with the rainman is easier |
| 13:17:27 | | tux_mike: I forgot marknovak |
| 13:17:27 | tux_mike | ibot forget marknovak |
| 13:17:30 | fusion94 | oh...and might i say |
| 13:17:36 | mark | Harlekin: a new/better battery technology is needed. |
| 13:17:43 | fusion94 | OSX Jaguar/10.2 is hella fast |
| 13:17:44 | George- | MarkNovak has like, 5000 spare 5500s :) |
| 13:17:44 | chouimat | re |
| 13:17:48 | mark | fusion94: it out? |
| 13:17:56 | fusion94 | not to the public no |
| 13:18:14 | fusion94 | but if you have access to the ADC Seed Program you can get... |
| 13:18:15 | tux_mike | BB: just in the fact he bought some apps from you, or are you doing something special with him |
| 13:18:34 | mark | fusion94: just wonderin, i have no PPC hardware :) |
| 13:19:08 | BigBoss | oh, I'm on the Seed program, but I forgot to update my mailing address |
| 13:19:11 | BigBoss | I need to do that |
| 13:19:26 | BigBoss | tux_mike: marknovak? he's just a rather odd duck |
| 13:19:40 | George- | fusion94: ADC Seed Program? |
| 13:19:45 | fusion94 | BigBoss: heh... |
| 13:19:53 | fusion94 | George-: Apple Developer Connection |
| 13:20:06 | tux_mike | what's so odd about him besides the fact that he annoys the living crap outta me |
| 13:20:17 | BigBoss | what's the url to login to it again? I haven't been into the ADC site in ages |
| 13:20:21 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: how soon is the OSX/Z stuff available ? |
| 13:20:23 | JasonNJ | harlekin: I need a ipkg of libopie that works with your program |
| 13:20:27 | fusion94 | tux_mike: isn't that enough ? |
| 13:20:32 | JasonNJ | fusion: talk to sniper |
| 13:20:37 | tux_mike | fusion: usually :) |
| 13:20:47 | George- | fusion94: I can get Jaguar for nothign? |
| 13:20:56 | JasonNJ | I heard 2 weeks from Aron at Trolltech |
| 13:20:59 | tux_mike | thinks.... and then bashes his head against the keyboard |
| 13:21:05 | BigBoss | it costs money to be in the ADC program |
| 13:21:10 | fusion94 | BigBoss: http://developer.apple.com/macosx/ |
| 13:21:10 | anselor | is there a pretty qt way of getting the subnet mask and broadcast address, etc ? |
| 13:21:11 | George- | BigBoss: no it doesn't |
| 13:21:23 | fusion94 | George-: no the ADC cost's at the seed level |
| 13:21:24 | BigBoss | yes it does, cause I paid the money last year |
| 13:21:42 | fusion94 | BigBoss: depends on what level you want to participate |
| 13:21:58 | George- | fusion94: oh right |
| 13:21:59 | Harlekin | numatrix: which one did you take? |
| 13:22:00 | fusion94 | BigBoss: you can get access for free, but you get docs and thats about it |
| 13:22:13 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 13:22:17 | mark | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:22:33 | tux_mike | devles deep into his mailing list archives |
| 13:22:47 | tux_mike | ... grabbing all these headers is gonna take a while. |
| 13:23:52 | BigBoss | ugh, I got this when I was at hancom and now I can't get back in because i don't remember my password and the email back isn't going to work |
| 13:24:15 | tux_mike | big: that sucks |
| 13:24:18 | JasonNJ | harlekin: I got it to run |
| 13:24:23 | JasonNJ | has a libz dependency |
| 13:24:36 | JasonNJ | I installed opie-today, that seems to come with libopie |
| 13:24:39 | fusion94 | BigBoss: sucks.... |
| 13:26:00 | fusion94 | hrm |
| 13:26:15 | fusion94 | i should probably install my Z crap... |
| 13:26:25 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: oh |
| 13:27:05 | fusion94 | Sniper: morning Spencer |
| 13:27:12 | Sniper | morning |
| 13:27:34 | XavierXeon | good afternoon |
| 13:27:35 | JasonNJ | harlkin: your program gives me out of memory errors almost instantly |
| 13:28:02 | Harlekin | try a reboot |
| 13:28:10 | JasonNJ | did |
| 13:28:12 | JasonNJ | twice |
| 13:28:13 | Harlekin | andhmm |
| 13:28:14 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 13:28:16 | Harlekin | strange |
| 13:28:23 | Harlekin | it that a 5000 or a 5500? |
| 13:28:27 | Harlekin | 'http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3320.png' |
| 13:28:29 | JasonNJ | 5500 |
| 13:28:33 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 13:28:35 | JasonNJ | play quality is nice though |
| 13:28:38 | Harlekin | should work there |
| 13:28:41 | JasonNJ | will be nice with some extra work |
| 13:28:45 | chouimat | JasonNJ: do you gcc 3.1 on your desktop? |
| 13:28:53 | JasonNJ | no |
| 13:28:54 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: how big was the file you played? |
| 13:29:08 | JasonNJ | big |
| 13:29:12 | JasonNJ | like 12mb |
| 13:29:18 | JasonNJ | but even the small ones cause issues |
| 13:29:26 | Harlekin | i ment resolution |
| 13:29:36 | JasonNJ | 320x240 |
| 13:29:38 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 13:29:39 | Harlekin | strange |
| 13:29:43 | chouimat | JasonNJ: so I must package my lib with my app |
| 13:29:43 | Harlekin | for most it worked |
| 13:30:06 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: mem optimisation is the next 10 days |
| 13:30:58 | JasonNJ | harlekin: play speed is good though |
| 13:31:03 | JasonNJ | with divx |
| 13:31:13 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: the fun thing is , it runs without problems on a ipaq 3630, which has only 32 mb ram total |
| 13:31:13 | JasonNJ | you want my test files? |
| 13:31:15 | George- | JasonNJ: I have no trouble on a 5000D |
| 13:31:18 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: yes |
| 13:31:23 | chouimat | hi imm |
| 13:31:25 | imm | heya |
| 13:31:34 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: that 2.4.6 VM is really broken |
| 13:31:36 | JasonNJ | ok, I will zip them and put them up on zauruszzone |
| 13:31:46 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: please tell me the url then |
| 13:31:47 | JasonNJ | harlekin: I beleive it. Work with kergoth |
| 13:32:06 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: oh, where you using retail rom or OZ? |
| 13:32:11 | George- | sharp should hire kergoth :) |
| 13:32:12 | anselor | is there a class to retrieve information about a given network connection? like my ip, the broadcast addr, etc? |
| 13:32:54 | imm | anselor: no :( :( :( |
| 13:33:02 | JasonNJ | retail |
| 13:33:11 | imm | anselor: TT should add that ! |
| 13:33:11 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 13:33:17 | JasonNJ | 2.38 |
| 13:33:25 | anselor | imm: then how does one get that info ...? |
| 13:33:32 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: worked for onyx and numatrix |
| 13:33:38 | Harlekin | and seth |
| 13:33:40 | imm | anselor: you can parse /proc |
| 13:33:47 | JasonNJ | harlekin: these are all divx |
| 13:33:55 | JasonNJ | work fine on Bigboss's program |
| 13:33:57 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: no, users |
| 13:33:57 | anselor | imm: feels like such a hack doing it that way. :P |
| 13:34:04 | JasonNJ | demoed them non stop at LWE |
| 13:34:24 | imm | anselor: i have to do it also, we could join the efforts |
| 13:34:28 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: try fullscreenplayback for more fluent playback ,) |
| 13:34:43 | George- | JasonNJ: which rom is this? |
| 13:35:08 | anselor | imm: how do you mean? |
| 13:35:13 | JasonNJ | 2.38 |
| 13:35:51 | George- | JasonNJ: have you tried OpenZaurus? |
| 13:36:12 | imm | anselor: you write a generic class and i use it then ;) |
| 13:36:28 | anselor | imm: heh |
| 13:39:07 | imm | anselor: do you have a Z ? |
| 13:39:47 | anselor | imm: no |
| 13:39:57 | anselor | imm: makes this dev process slightly hard. |
| 13:40:07 | imm | anselor: :) |
| 13:40:28 | George- | anselor: what are you writing? |
| 13:41:02 | anselor | heh, i'm supposed to do that matchmaker app |
| 13:41:15 | imm | anselor: i looked at /proc/net but i can't find me ip there |
| 13:41:20 | anselor | i signed up right before finals and then was in bed sick for a week |
| 13:41:26 | tux_mike | hrm... i'm gonna need to put timers into my animations. they won't even be visible without it :) |
| 13:41:31 | anselor | so i'm ... uh .. knid of behind. |
| 13:41:45 | anselor | imm: yeah, ditto |
| 13:42:09 | George- | how does one use enumerated types? |
| 13:42:44 | George- | n/m |
| 13:43:21 | imm | anselor: i do the matchmaking app to ;) |
| 13:43:39 | anselor | imm: oh? how many are doing the matchmaking app? |
| 13:44:14 | George- | yo JasonNJ |
| 13:45:16 | XavierXeon | fried his sd card |
| 13:45:16 | kolla | menne |
| 13:46:21 | imm | anselor: ? |
| 13:46:26 | George- | XavierXeon: how? |
| 13:46:53 | anselor | imm: if you're also signed up for that app. |
| 13:47:24 | XavierXeon | George-: dont know. at one point all my dirs on the card were only files, so i rebooted and tried to fsck it. after 5 min of fsck 1 inode i reformated. |
| 13:48:01 | JasonNJ | I had to reinitialize mine after about six months |
| 13:48:40 | XavierXeon | its the second time that happend in 2 days so i have orderd a new one |
| 13:56:05 | George- | XavierXeon: strange |
| 13:57:24 | numatrix | I know that at least one project had 3 people working on it; who knows how many were assigned to each. |
| 13:58:34 | imm | numatrix: as long all are getting Z :) |
| 13:58:41 | JasonNJ | harlekin: http://www.zauruszone.com/files/videotest.zip |
| 13:58:52 | Harlekin | k |
| 13:58:57 | JasonNJ | 45mb |
| 13:59:04 | JasonNJ | its a few different movie trailers |
| 13:59:11 | Harlekin | tnx |
| 13:59:35 | numatrix | imm: I hope so too. Somebody else already made my app as well. ;-) |
| 13:59:42 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: btw, if you want to know how to encode for pdas, ask onyx, his rips have a great perfomance and look |
| 14:00:05 | JasonNJ | harlekin: I would like to see if we can get a good tool that does conversions to pda format for divx |
| 14:00:23 | imm | numatrix: did i ask what you are doing allredy ? |
| 14:00:29 | numatrix | imm: gamebody emulator |
| 14:00:33 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: transcode is a great tool |
| 14:01:01 | imm | numatrix: port or write yourself ? |
| 14:01:48 | numatrix | imm: port; I'm not such a good coder. :-) |
| 14:02:07 | numatrix | imm: it was faster than the original gnuboy port, but about the same speed as the version warmi released sunday. |
| 14:02:14 | XavierXeon | what is libopenobex used for ? |
| 14:03:05 | imm | numatrix: did you got your Z allredy ? |
| 14:04:11 | cmanut | whats up? |
| 14:04:33 | cmanut | anyone out there? |
| 14:04:36 | George- | YUP |
| 14:04:36 | George- | :) |
| 14:04:53 | George- | Is there a QInputBox? |
| 14:04:58 | George- | or something like that? :) |
| 14:04:59 | cmanut | just testing my newly installed tkcJabber |
| 14:05:17 | XavierXeon | QLineEdit |
| 14:05:26 | tux_mike | damn.... |
| 14:05:40 | tux_mike | well... |
| 14:06:04 | George- | XavierXeon: but like a QMessageBox :) |
| 14:06:05 | tux_mike | was anyone here on the old Sharp-Linux Yahoo group? |
| 14:06:19 | numatrix | imm: of course, he's looking at my port to see if it might be significantly improved in speed; possibly be able to get it working at a higher resolution. |
| 14:06:21 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 14:06:42 | George- | ahhh, QInputDialog |
| 14:07:34 | George- | #define QT_NO_INPUTDIALOG |
| 14:07:36 | George- | oh ffs |
| 14:08:37 | XavierXeon | so nobody knows what openobex is for ? |
| 14:09:40 | tux_mike | IRDA transfers |
| 14:09:48 | XavierXeon | thx |
| 14:10:45 | benmeyer | http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ZaurusIndex.php |
| 14:10:48 | benmeyer | comments |
| 14:10:58 | benmeyer | ? |
| 14:11:02 | benmeyer | send to: Matt Kasdorf <kasdorfm@knightfire.com> |
| 14:12:45 | | rumour has it card compatibility is http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
| 14:12:45 | darienm|away | ibot card compatibility |
| 14:13:14 | | okay, darienm|away. |
| 14:13:14 | darienm|away | ibot, card compatibility is also http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ZaurusIndex.php |
| 14:14:02 | darienm | benmeyer, having cells in the table that don't have borders makes it hard to follow a product across the columns. |
| 14:14:42 | darienm | benmeyer, and none of the 'filesystem' information is in place |
| 14:15:02 | XavierXeon | looks ok in konqueror |
| 14:15:29 | darienm | benmeyer: and the product column reads 'product' all the way down |
| 14:16:14 | darienm | benmeyer: Why is that page a frameset? |
| 14:19:31 | benmeyer | it is jsut a test |
| 14:19:35 | benmeyer | not up yet |
| 14:20:05 | mark | how does ibots currency conversion work? |
| 14:20:31 | darienm | ibot change 15 USD to CAN |
| 14:20:34 | | darienm: 15.00 (United States Dollar (USD)) makes 15.0000 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 14:20:43 | darienm | ibot change 15 USD to CA |
| 14:20:46 | | darienm: 15.00 (United States Dollar (USD)) makes 27.4929 (Australia Dollar (AUD)) |
| 14:20:49 | darienm | like that |
| 14:21:07 | mark | darienm: thanks, i thought it was 'convert' not change |
| 14:21:31 | darienm | mark: I used to think it also, then I learned :) |
| 14:21:54 | mark | darienm: heh, i should just give up thinking full stop :) |
| 14:22:15 | numatrix | benmeyer: how do I add entries to that table? |
| 14:23:34 | benmeyer | send him an e-mail |
| 14:23:34 | benmeyer | there is a php page, don't know if he wants to publize it yet |
| 14:23:55 | mark | benmeyer: any progress with regards to avantgo? |
| 14:24:06 | benmeyer | ? |
| 14:24:27 | mark | benmeyer: maybe it was Sniper, someone said you were trying to get avantgo to release their client for the Z |
| 14:24:35 | numatrix | benmeyer: what's the email? |
| 14:25:17 | benmeyer | mailto:zaurus@knightfire.com |
| 14:25:25 | numatrix | benmeyer: thanks |
| 14:25:26 | benmeyer | hmmm wasn't me |
| 14:25:40 | XavX|away | is buying food before storm hits town |
| 14:25:41 | kolla | who needs avantgo, there are decent proxy software for linux :) |
| 14:25:53 | chouimat | to whom I send my app when it's ready? |
| 14:25:57 | imm | are Apacer CFs ok ? |
| 14:26:15 | imm | challenge@sharp.com |
| 14:26:43 | imm | s/challenge/contest/ |
| 14:27:31 | benmeyer | contest@zaurus.com |
| 14:27:41 | chouimat | benmeyer: format? |
| 14:28:34 | benmeyer | Having been erased, |
| 14:28:34 | benmeyer | The document you're seeking |
| 14:28:34 | benmeyer | Must now be retyped. |
| 14:28:42 | benmeyer | if GPL source |
| 14:28:43 | Wintre | Ah yes |
| 14:28:45 | benmeyer | binary |
| 14:28:46 | benmeyer | ipk |
| 14:28:49 | benmeyer | or ipk |
| 14:28:55 | Wintre | Good ol' haiku errors |
| 14:28:56 | benmeyer | i.e. the best you can send |
| 14:29:08 | benmeyer | Serious error. |
| 14:29:08 | benmeyer | All shortcuts have disappeared. |
| 14:29:08 | benmeyer | Screen, mind. Both are blank. |
| 14:29:24 | Wintre | There's a really good one about failing to allocate memory |
| 14:29:34 | chouimat | benmeyer: ok source and x86 binaries are ok? |
| 14:29:42 | benmeyer | A file that big? |
| 14:29:43 | benmeyer | It might be very useful. |
| 14:29:43 | benmeyer | But now it is gone. |
| 14:29:49 | benmeyer | yup |
| 14:30:06 | chouimat | benmeyer: do you GCC 3.1 on your desktop? |
| 14:30:06 | George- | lol |
| 14:30:15 | benmeyer | not today |
| 14:30:17 | benmeyer | but will |
| 14:30:37 | chouimat | benmeyer: so I must send everything to get my apps working |
| 14:31:06 | benmeyer | not today I will tomarrow I might have it well just have to see |
| 14:31:42 | benmeyer | chouimat: send what it needed for someone to run it |
| 14:31:44 | VerxWork | howdy everyone |
| 14:31:46 | benmeyer | an executable |
| 14:31:50 | benmeyer | and ipk or source |
| 14:31:52 | chouimat | benmeyer: I'm doing the nessus client. |
| 14:31:53 | darienm | morning VerxWork |
| 14:32:00 | benmeyer | sorry, I don't know what nessus is |
| 14:32:25 | chouimat | benmeyer: network security scanner |
| 14:32:31 | benmeyer | ah |
| 14:32:52 | benmeyer | well it will probably be routed to me to check before we send out units |
| 14:32:57 | chouimat | benmeyer: do I need to send you the server too. or only the instruction to build it |
| 14:33:01 | benmeyer | so you should send whatever I need to run it |
| 14:33:10 | VerxWork | benmeyer: Do you know what service you guys are shipping the Z's with? |
| 14:33:16 | benmeyer | telnet and ftp |
| 14:33:18 | VerxWork | ie, is a tracking number possible? |
| 14:33:55 | cranch | what are we talking about..I hate jumping in in the middle |
| 14:34:33 | benmeyer | haiku's |
| 14:34:39 | cranch | :) |
| 14:34:40 | cranch | hehe |
| 14:34:47 | benmeyer | http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/decss-haiku.txt |
| 14:35:16 | numatrix | benmeyer: the server is pretty well-documented otherwise (in regards to chouimat's nessus client), you can find rpm's for it likely (if you're using redhat) |
| 14:35:25 | darienm | VerxWork: probably being sent by pony express |
| 14:35:38 | benmeyer | ok |
| 14:36:40 | Wintre | "Fight, brave amici," |
| 14:37:28 | chouimat | numatrix: I don't currently support the encrypted layer so nessus need to be built without-ssl and without the cipher |
| 14:37:49 | VerxWork | benmeyer: :) |
| 14:38:11 | cranch | how is nessus coming? |
| 14:38:13 | benmeyer | yup |
| 14:38:13 | imm | benmeyer: should i resend my beta if i received that "Please send all beta entries ..." email ? |
| 14:38:47 | chouimat | cranch: coming. I'm trying to finish it today or tomorrow morning |
| 14:39:16 | kolla | what is nessus? |
| 14:39:19 | benmeyer | probably |
| 14:39:24 | benmeyer | more like the latest one |
| 14:40:12 | chouimat | benmeyer: I will send you the source. the x86 executable (gcc 3.1) and the instruction to build the server |
| 14:40:22 | JasonNJ | man these friggin titanium ibooks are expensive |
| 14:40:29 | kolla | ircing from z console is kinda neat :) |
| 14:40:32 | Wintre | Out of memory. |
| 14:40:32 | Wintre | We wish to hold the whole sky, |
| 14:40:32 | Wintre | But we never will. |
| 14:40:34 | cranch | sweet |
| 14:40:34 | Wintre | That's the one |
| 14:41:47 | kolla | http://cutie.uninett.no/screenshots/data/sc_17.46.49_Tue_20_Aug_2002.png :) |
| 14:41:58 | chouimat | gtg bbl |
| 14:41:59 | JasonNJ | anyone got a source for cheap macs? |
| 14:42:05 | darienm | kolla: wowza |
| 14:42:12 | darienm | kolla: why not use ZIC ? |
| 14:42:44 | DrBoB | I'm immortalized!! |
| 14:42:51 | darienm | kolla: do you ever see application icons in your tashbar? Seems full of other crap. |
| 14:43:08 | chouimat | JasonNJ: try a pawn shop |
| 14:43:10 | alex1241551`4 | can anyone else connect to zsi? or is it just my internet connection |
| 14:43:27 | cranch | I'm in that screenshot |
| 14:43:32 | George- | JasonNJ: It's not a Titanium iBook! :) |
| 14:43:39 | George- | JasonNJ: It's a PowerBook! =P |
| 14:43:43 | | i heard zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 14:43:43 | cranch | ibot: zsi |
| 14:43:44 | George- | ducks |
| 14:43:50 | darienm | alex1241551`4: ZSI is slow, but available |
| 14:43:54 | cranch | I can get to it |
| 14:43:59 | cranch | seems normal speed for me |
| 14:44:04 | alex1241551`4 | darienm: i just got it thanks |
| 14:45:53 | DrBoB | I can get to it.....hmmm...new mplayer.... |
| 14:46:10 | DrBoB | *slurp* |
| 14:46:23 | cranch | whats the three Z's in the taskbar kolla |
| 14:47:09 | darienm | zaurus zaurus zaurus :) |
| 14:47:38 | George- | what's the dir that config files for apps are *supposed* to go in? |
| 14:48:08 | darienm | $HOME/Settings (?) |
| 14:48:22 | George- | I'm not sure |
| 14:48:30 | George- | Is there a QConfig class or something? |
| 14:48:40 | mark | George-: yes, Config. read qtopia docs |
| 14:48:56 | George- | thx mark |
| 14:50:14 | cranch | anyone know what application that was in Kolla's tray? |
| 14:50:21 | cranch | with the three Z's in it |
| 14:51:32 | mark | cranch: looks like some kinda alarm thing |
| 14:51:38 | cranch | ahhh |
| 14:51:44 | cranch | just wondering if I was missing out :P |
| 14:54:17 | benmeyer | maybe for an imap client we should just send people to mail2web.com |
| 14:56:12 | darienm | noooooo |
| 14:56:23 | mark | benmeyer: or tkcMail :) |
| 14:56:51 | kolla | darienm: why not use zic? doesnt support connection to more servers :) |
| 14:56:57 | kolla | also very primitive in all regards.. |
| 14:57:23 | kolla | darienm: as for the "taskbar" you are correct |
| 14:57:31 | kolla | I very much would want a tasks-applet :) |
| 14:58:26 | [George] | I have an email from sharp saying "Your beta entry" |
| 14:58:30 | [George] | don't tell me it's due!?!?! |
| 14:58:43 | [George] | phew |
| 14:58:45 | benmeyer | ? |
| 14:58:45 | [George] | in 3 days :) |
| 14:58:47 | benmeyer | from me? |
| 14:59:04 | kolla | the three Zs are a unti-suspend applet |
| 14:59:08 | [George] | From: "contest" <contest@zaurus.com> |
| 14:59:11 | benmeyer | ah |
| 14:59:12 | benmeyer | ok |
| 14:59:20 | kolla | I tap it, and the z wont go to sleep |
| 14:59:27 | benmeyer | it is pretty sad what a lot of people are trying to pass as good apps |
| 14:59:38 | kolla | something the mediaplayer should have buildt in imho |
| 15:00:01 | kolla | it should also have something the sidplayer has... key lock |
| 15:00:14 | kolla | well, a general key lock applet would be nice as well :) |
| 15:00:41 | kolla | so that I can stuff it in my pocket without having to worry about not pressing the buttons |
| 15:02:48 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you there? |
| 15:03:32 | VerxWork | benmeyer: What is going on? |
| 15:03:57 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-08-20 15:20:39 | Infranet: Circumventing Web Censorship | Haiku vs Spam | ISP Bans RIAA to Protect Its Customers | Turbolinux Sells Linux Business |
| 15:03:57 | benmeyer | ibot slashdot |
| 15:04:37 | XavierXeon | where can i find libsdl ? |
| 15:05:03 | darienm | XavierXeon: zz feed |
| 15:05:27 | XavierXeon | thx |
| 15:06:40 | VerxWork | benmeyer: Are you thinking that you guys will end up not having decent apps from most submitters? |
| 15:06:45 | VerxWork | or is it just a minority? |
| 15:07:07 | djk | has anybody done anything with VPN on the Z? |
| 15:07:12 | treke|ho1e | is going to be busy the next couple nights |
| 15:07:21 | treke|ho1e | time flies when your procrastinating :) |
| 15:07:33 | benmeyer | well if they arn't decent they arn't getting units |
| 15:07:53 | benmeyer | I mean I have people submitting stuff that is little more then a ui file |
| 15:08:05 | djk | trek|ho1e: busy what is going to keep you busy writing the ultimate app for the Z? |
| 15:08:24 | bewmIES | greetings |
| 15:09:29 | kolla | what's an ui file? |
| 15:10:01 | VerxWork | benmeyer: Well, if they send you an ipk and screenshots (as requested), I would think they would have to have SOMETHING. . . |
| 15:10:04 | bewmIES | user interface definition (I assume you're talking Qt) |
| 15:10:11 | kolla | paul nolan could port photogenics, hehe |
| 15:10:15 | benmeyer | yah |
| 15:10:16 | bewmIES | It's basically XML that defines where the objects should all be |
| 15:10:24 | George- | What's a "key" in class "Config" in Qtopia? |
| 15:10:37 | benmeyer | but some people don't do much more then take a screenshot of what they tossed together in qtdesigner |
| 15:10:44 | treke|ho1e | George-: Its the name of the entry you want |
| 15:10:53 | George- | treke|ho1e: just a subgroup, then? |
| 15:11:00 | VerxWork | benmeyer: Ahhh |
| 15:11:04 | treke|ho1e | George-: no. a specific entry |
| 15:11:05 | George- | treke|ho1e: well, not a group |
| 15:11:09 | George- | ahh, ok |
| 15:11:23 | VerxWork | benmeyer: Well, functionally speaking, my first snapshot I sent you guys was just the UI. I was trying to give you an idea of where I was headed tho |
| 15:11:24 | bewmIES | Yeah, IIRC it's basically what the resulting filename will be called (Config) |
| 15:11:31 | treke|ho1e | something like key "nick" would return "treke" |
| 15:11:52 | kolla | ponders on tossing out opie to get more disk space |
| 15:11:54 | treke|ho1e | and key "ircserver" would return "irc.openprojects.net" if you were using a Config in an irc client |
| 15:12:01 | George- | what would be a wise character to use for the "separator"? |
| 15:12:12 | treke|ho1e | depends on your data |
| 15:12:13 | George- | a character < 65? |
| 15:12:32 | treke|ho1e | George-: I |
| 15:12:37 | George- | treke|ho1e: well, the data can contain any character on the keyboard :) |
| 15:12:42 | treke|ho1e | I prefer standard printable characters |
| 15:12:50 | George- | ¬? |
| 15:12:50 | George- | ;) |
| 15:12:54 | George- | would ¬ do? |
| 15:13:04 | treke|ho1e | not IMHO |
| 15:13:15 | George- | why not? |
| 15:13:28 | treke|ho1e | not particularly simple to type |
| 15:13:53 | George- | hah |
| 15:14:07 | George- | I'm not bothered, no one's gonna be hand editing these files |
| 15:14:11 | George- | and if they do, they're mad :) |
| 15:14:48 | George- | on a QStringList, would stringlist << string1 << string2 append them? |
| 15:15:38 | rikkus_ | George-: yes, because QStringList::operator << returns a reference to this |
| 15:16:08 | George- | ok |
| 15:16:08 | kolla | oh no.. another useful applet! |
| 15:16:35 | George- | lol |
| 15:16:42 | George- | kolla: what's the "ZZZ" applet? |
| 15:17:24 | treke|ho1e | George-: You could always make it more than one config entry |
| 15:18:25 | kolla | George-: anti-suspend applet |
| 15:18:53 | kolla | I tap it an it will be checked and the z wont suspend after the usual timeout |
| 15:19:02 | kolla | nice when playing music |
| 15:19:10 | George- | oh |
| 15:19:21 | George- | but opieplayer disables suspend anyway... |
| 15:19:40 | kolla | really? I never noticed |
| 15:19:43 | kolla | recently? |
| 15:19:43 | George- | lol |
| 15:19:54 | George- | nope |
| 15:20:00 | George- | Ever since I've run on the Z... |
| 15:20:07 | mark | which is recent |
| 15:20:13 | kolla | :) |
| 15:20:45 | George- | mark: arse! :) |
| 15:21:06 | kolla | guess I can disable that applet for a while then |
| 15:21:57 | kolla | why h why are there three softlink pers applet? |
| 15:22:07 | kolla | per .. |
| 15:22:35 | kolla | mumbles something about stupid unix legacy |
| 15:22:48 | cranch | so does tkcPlayer |
| 15:23:20 | kolla | maybe it was zeplayer then |
| 15:23:31 | | catalin was last seen on #zaurus 32 days, 1 hours, 4 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: George-: did I sound funny by any chance ? [Fri Jul 19 15:19:23 2002] |
| 15:23:31 | mark | ibot: seen catalin |
| 15:23:34 | | xxl was last seen on #zaurus 25 days, 3 hours, 38 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: Geroge: http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/qmainwindow.html#0eb7bc [Fri Jul 26 12:45:28 2002] |
| 15:23:34 | mark | ibot: seen xxl |
| 15:23:46 | George- | ??? |
| 15:24:02 | George- | He never said that to me |
| 15:24:23 | Skizotoro | but he did to geroge |
| 15:24:26 | Skizotoro | ;) |
| 15:24:26 | KGBudz | do cards that go into the cf slot go in all the way |
| 15:24:31 | kolla | is there some way to tell opie to scale down the icons? |
| 15:24:41 | KGBudz | i saw a pic of a zaurus with a card in and the card was sticking out like 75% |
| 15:24:56 | George- | yes |
| 15:24:57 | George- | They do |
| 15:25:00 | kolla | KGBudz: depends on the cards |
| 15:25:09 | KGBudz | they do go in all the way |
| 15:25:13 | mark | KGBudz: depends, some cards are huge |
| 15:25:13 | KGBudz | standard cf card |
| 15:25:31 | KGBudz | k |
| 15:25:47 | mark | a flash memory card will fit all the way in |
| 15:25:48 | bipolar | LOL |
| 15:25:53 | bipolar | This is fuunny...... |
| 15:26:01 | KGBudz | how about a wifi nic card |
| 15:26:19 | mark | KGBudz: depends on the card dude |
| 15:26:20 | KGBudz | not including the antenna |
| 15:26:23 | bipolar | I just followed a link telling mw to download Windows Media player plugin. This is what it told me.... |
| 15:26:25 | KGBudz | alright |
| 15:26:43 | bipolar | Setup detected that you are running:Solaris |
| 15:26:45 | bipolar | It is recommended that you download: |
| 15:26:51 | bipolar | Windows Media Player 6.3 |
| 15:26:52 | bipolar | Total Size: |
| 15:26:54 | bipolar | Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01f4' |
| 15:26:56 | bipolar | Variable is undefined: 'L_size12_Text' |
| 15:26:57 | bipolar | /download/download.asp, line 552 |
| 15:26:58 | bipolar | LOL |
| 15:27:05 | mark | bipolar: hehee |
| 15:27:21 | bipolar | this was with Moz 1.0 on Linux |
| 15:36:24 | imm | how can i install an x86 ipk in my virtual qpe ? |
| 15:36:46 | treke|ho1e | imm: untar the contents and install it by hand |
| 15:36:54 | treke|ho1e | Although I've never seen an x86 ipk |
| 15:37:04 | George- | imm: you don't |
| 15:37:09 | imm | treke|ho1e: i just did one :) |
| 15:37:20 | treke|ho1e | imm: why would you do that :) |
| 15:38:23 | imm | i would like to test my ipk |
| 15:38:28 | mark | treke|hole: i've done a whole lot when i meant not to :) |
| 15:39:07 | treke|ho1e | imm: you'll have to do it on a zaurus/ipaq or figure out how to install ipkg on your desktop |
| 15:40:31 | imm | no Z around |
| 15:41:29 | imm | i put all in the right dir, but how can i show the Games tab now ? |
| 15:47:19 | darienm | imm: send me your ipk and I'll test-install it on Sharp ROM and OZ. |
| 15:48:09 | imm | darienm: ok, i have 10min to make the icon and then i send it, hope you are still here then :) |
| 15:51:07 | George- | heya chouimat |
| 15:51:33 | chouimat | hey George- |
| 15:51:38 | darienm | imm: Im here |
| 15:51:48 | George- | yo darienm |
| 15:51:54 | darienm | Hi George- |
| 15:52:03 | darienm | "Yo!" |
| 15:52:41 | chouimat | darienm: no it's De Cossé? |
| 15:53:00 | darienm | ????????? |
| 15:53:37 | chouimat | darienm: De Cossé? = What do you want? |
| 15:53:58 | darienm | nothing. I was just responding to George's yo! |
| 15:54:25 | chouimat | darienm: next time use De Cossé? |
| 15:54:37 | George- | lol |
| 15:56:25 | chouimat | George-: De Cossé? |
| 15:56:50 | George- | I dunno |
| 16:04:33 | therad | hi guys....I have a question I hope someone can answer |
| 16:04:44 | darienm | we can sell you an answer |
| 16:05:05 | darienm | for only $2.99 a minute, we'll answer all kinds of questions |
| 16:05:07 | erikd | will bid lower |
| 16:05:07 | therad | Cool.....I will send IRC money |
| 16:05:12 | darienm | all proceeds goto fund ZSI |
| 16:05:16 | erikd | hmm |
| 16:05:19 | erikd | won't bid |
| 16:05:44 | | erikd is nothing but a beslubbering petrification of jarring entrails. |
| 16:05:44 | chouimat | ibot: insult erikd |
| 16:05:58 | imm | darienm: much smaller now :) |
| 16:06:03 | erikd | pfft |
| 16:06:06 | darienm | therad: so, did you get the answer you wanted? |
| 16:06:11 | therad | I want to write a conduit for the Z, but I cannot seem to find any info on adding my program to the desktop sync routines |
| 16:06:21 | chouimat | imm: you're online until when? |
| 16:06:40 | George- | for $200 a minute, I'll do nothing |
| 16:06:40 | imm | chouimat: the next couple of hours for shure |
| 16:06:47 | George- | and the proceeds will go towards my holiday |
| 16:06:52 | chouimat | imm: ok |
| 16:07:11 | | George- is nothing but a fobbing plate of penguin-molesting cat hair. |
| 16:07:11 | chouimat | ibot: insult George- |
| 16:07:17 | | chouimat is nothing but a common-kissing half-mouthful of elf-skinned Sun IPC manuals. |
| 16:07:17 | George- | ibot insult chouimat |
| 16:07:19 | imm | darienm: can you dcc ? |
| 16:07:26 | George- | SUN IPC MANUALS!!!HAHAHAHA |
| 16:07:43 | darienm | imm: yes I can. I've been accepting the file, but says you're cancelling it. |
| 16:08:01 | | George- is nothing but a common-kissing quart of clouted Stimpy-drool. |
| 16:08:01 | chouimat | ibot: insult George- |
| 16:08:02 | imm | darienm: i canceled one |
| 16:08:05 | | chouimat is nothing but a rank mound of bawdy waffle-house grits. |
| 16:08:05 | George- | ibot insult chouimat |
| 16:08:10 | darienm | imm: says you cancelled both. |
| 16:08:22 | | George- is nothing but a common-kissing quart of lewd-minded dog balls. |
| 16:08:22 | chouimat | ibot: insult George- |
| 16:08:23 | | chouimat is nothing but a tepid ooze of weasel-smelling rat retch. |
| 16:08:23 | George- | ibot insult chouimat |
| 16:08:25 | kergoth` | hey |
| 16:08:32 | imm | darienm: seems to be the firewall, can i mail it ? |
| 16:08:40 | chouimat | hey kergoth` |
| 16:08:40 | VerxWork | howdy kergoth |
| 16:08:43 | George- | yo kergoth` |
| 16:08:48 | erikd | chouimat: i think you like that too much :) |
| 16:08:49 | darienm | imm: darien@kruss.com |
| 16:08:53 | VerxWork | kergoth: I am supposed to get my Z today!!! |
| 16:08:54 | therad | I assume something is sent when you press the sync button...and a program on the sync side detects it |
| 16:08:55 | VerxWork | is quite excited |
| 16:08:59 | kergoth` | VerxWork: nice. |
| 16:09:01 | George- | VerxWork: from Sharp? |
| 16:09:16 | VerxWork | yup |
| 16:09:23 | treke|ho1e | VerxWork: cool |
| 16:09:30 | chouimat | erikd: it's a way to kill time :) |
| 16:09:37 | erikd | hehe, i guess :) |
| 16:09:38 | George- | VerxWork: They've actually SENT it? |
| 16:09:43 | VerxWork | opens an email from some dude named Chris Larson |
| 16:09:46 | treke|ho1e | how long did it take them? |
| 16:09:48 | VerxWork | from August 9th |
| 16:09:54 | VerxWork | George-: That is what Sniper told me |
| 16:09:54 | George- | LOL |
| 16:09:56 | kergoth` | hah |
| 16:09:56 | treke|ho1e | thats fairly quick |
| 16:10:06 | VerxWork | treke|ho1e: No no no |
| 16:10:09 | chouimat | gtg bbl |
| 16:10:16 | George- | VerxWork: Can I have your iPaq? *g* |
| 16:10:23 | VerxWork | treke|ho1e: They got my functional email last week, and are sending me the Z now |
| 16:10:28 | VerxWork | so it was VERY fast actually |
| 16:10:29 | treke|ho1e | ah |
| 16:10:37 | imm | darienm: it on the way |
| 16:10:52 | VerxWork | George-: I am going to end up with a 3650, 3850, and now a 5000d |
| 16:10:56 | George- | argh |
| 16:11:05 | George- | I have a Series 5, 5mx, 5000D |
| 16:11:07 | George- | ;) |
| 16:11:28 | VerxWork | George-: If the 5000d is anywhere near as cool as I am hoping, I will be buying their next Z, provided it is as cool as JasonNJ has insinuated |
| 16:11:33 | VerxWork | looks meaningfully at JasonNJ |
| 16:11:34 | VerxWork | :) |
| 16:11:34 | treke|ho1e | George-: a 5000d is a poor replacement 3800 :) |
| 16:11:49 | BigBoss | VerxWork: wait for the 5700 then :) |
| 16:12:06 | George- | treke|ho1e: yup |
| 16:12:07 | BigBoss | I'm still waiting for my prizes from the developer contest we won months ago |
| 16:12:16 | George- | BigBoss: hahahahaha |
| 16:12:22 | VerxWork | treke|ho1e: Yes and no. Time will tell. It may be that being able to have the CF and the SD in place 100% of the time may outweigh the advantages of the 3850 in terms of RAM and ROM space |
| 16:12:27 | George- | BigBoss: you haven't even got the $10,000? |
| 16:12:30 | imm | BigBoss: your 1000" TV ? |
| 16:13:01 | treke|ho1e | VerxWork: I find that unlikely :) |
| 16:13:24 | VerxWork | treke|ho1e: Time will tell. . . |
| 16:13:31 | treke|ho1e | particularly since I've got 26 megs worth the software installed |
| 16:14:17 | darienm | what's a 3850 ? |
| 16:14:26 | treke|ho1e | darienm: iPaq 3850 |
| 16:14:42 | darienm | ewww |
| 16:14:55 | VerxWork | treke|ho1e: If I can install 256MB worth of software to my CF, I should be fine |
| 16:14:58 | treke|ho1e | I'm looking forward to seeing what the next Z ends up being |
| 16:15:05 | imm | darienm: did it find it way ? |
| 16:15:08 | darienm | imm: received, you have 10 mins? I need to finish up a document and mail it. |
| 16:15:10 | BigBoss | George-: we got the cash after I screamed for it for a month |
| 16:15:12 | VerxWork | ie - if I don't have to install them to the flash itself |
| 16:15:22 | George- | BigBoss: haha |
| 16:15:24 | imm | darienm: shure |
| 16:15:30 | treke|ho1e | VerxWork: I dont like depending on removable media :p |
| 16:15:49 | bbeattie | Has anyone seen an application that can read .lit (open ebook standard) files for the Z? Either strongarm app, or java app? Or even a converter from .lit to something that the zaurus can support? |
| 16:15:54 | George- | treke|ho1e: the keyboard is a _very_ big plus |
| 16:15:57 | treke|ho1e | bbeattie: nope |
| 16:16:23 | treke|ho1e | George-: personally I consider it a minus, but whateva |
| 16:16:30 | JasonNJ | this san mehat dance mix CD is pretty cool |
| 16:16:32 | wParam | AARGH! wtf is a "LinuxEBDA"? |
| 16:16:37 | George- | treke|ho1e: wtf? a MINUS? |
| 16:16:42 | treke|ho1e | George-: yes |
| 16:16:44 | George- | why? |
| 16:16:48 | bbeattie | treke|ho1e: do you know that there isn't one? |
| 16:17:05 | benmeyer | I like vercel's idea of a usb master |
| 16:17:11 | benmeyer | thus any keyboard will work just about |
| 16:17:12 | treke|ho1e | bbeattie: correct, there isnt one |
| 16:17:29 | benmeyer | anong with a TON of other usb devices |
| 16:17:42 | George- | yeh, let's plug a USB cd burner in! |
| 16:17:45 | George- | *g* |
| 16:17:46 | treke|ho1e | George-: Whenever I've tried it, I found it to be uncomfortable. I much prefer handwriting recognition |
| 16:17:52 | benmeyer | speakers, |
| 16:18:05 | George- | treke|ho1e: strange. I find the keyboard much faster |
| 16:18:19 | George- | benmeyer: USB ethernet! :) |
| 16:18:25 | darienm | imm ??? |
| 16:18:26 | benmeyer | hahaha |
| 16:18:31 | darienm | imm: a bunch of bouncing smileys ?? |
| 16:18:49 | treke|ho1e | George-: I want to see something in the a300 form factor in the us, but that probably wont happen |
| 16:18:51 | benmeyer | scanners |
| 16:19:03 | George- | treke|ho1e: is the A300 smaller than the iPaq? |
| 16:19:07 | treke|ho1e | George-: much |
| 16:19:08 | therad | IF the unit were a USB master the power issues are much greater |
| 16:19:15 | benmeyer | burners, drives, cdroms, dvd players, digital cameras, printers! |
| 16:19:27 | benmeyer | that is what a hub is for |
| 16:19:28 | treke|ho1e | George-: the a300 is around the size of an older palm |
| 16:19:29 | George- | benmeyer: DVD player? ON A PDA? |
| 16:19:31 | George- | haha |
| 16:19:43 | George- | treke|ho1e: I've never seen an older palm |
| 16:19:46 | benmeyer | yah, you had to have seen them |
| 16:19:57 | benmeyer | the dvd players that are the size of a small laptop |
| 16:20:02 | VerxWork | doesn't think many would go for that |
| 16:20:03 | BigBoss | oh this is so cool |
| 16:20:04 | BigBoss | http://www.systemtoolbox.com/bard/3ddesktop/screenshots.php |
| 16:20:09 | Harlekin | George-: op² can play dvds |
| 16:20:14 | BigBoss | proposed new interface for virtual desktops on KDE |
| 16:20:18 | benmeyer | well with only having to do 320x240 you could easily do that on a 200Mhz machine |
| 16:20:27 | benmeyer | asuming video acc |
| 16:20:38 | Harlekin | benmeyer: yes |
| 16:20:51 | Harlekin | benmeyer: but ac3 sound would be a killer for a fix p unit |
| 16:21:07 | benmeyer | hmmm true, hadn't thought of that |
| 16:21:12 | benmeyer | ok a fp would be needed |
| 16:21:19 | George- | Harlekin: Can it?!?!?! |
| 16:21:20 | benmeyer | same with mp2 decoding |
| 16:21:37 | George- | Harlekin: Can I NFS mount a DVD drive and play it on my Z? :P |
| 16:22:00 | benmeyer | sure, you could, but same things as above |
| 16:22:01 | treke|ho1e | George-: nope :) |
| 16:22:20 | benmeyer | that was one of the cool things about LSDVD, you didn't need to mount the drive to play the dvd |
| 16:22:20 | George- | treke|ho1e: hah, why not? |
| 16:22:21 | treke|ho1e | George-: nasty encryption :) |
| 16:22:50 | darienm | imm ?!?! |
| 16:23:01 | Harlekin | George-: speed is the problem |
| 16:23:17 | Harlekin | benmeyer: you do not need to mount on mplayer or xine either |
| 16:23:26 | benmeyer | oh really? |
| 16:23:28 | benmeyer | you used to |
| 16:23:37 | Harlekin | not in the last 12 month |
| 16:23:58 | benmeyer | We ended up writing our own fs driver to make calls to the drive just like you do to a cd for reading audio |
| 16:24:09 | benmeyer | course this was 99 |
| 16:26:01 | MarkNovak | hey guys |
| 16:26:10 | George- | oh no |
| 16:26:14 | George- | ducks |
| 16:26:20 | treke|ho1e | George-: http://www.modestolan.com/articles/xwred1/linuxworld2002/pics/lwce2002-thu/dcp_0235.jpg |
| 16:26:33 | | benmeyer: i'm not following you... |
| 16:26:33 | benmeyer | ibot lsdvd |
| 16:26:44 | imm | darienm: yep |
| 16:26:54 | darienm | imm: a bunch of bouncing smileys ?? |
| 16:27:03 | George- | treke|ho1e: ok |
| 16:27:08 | George- | hang on |
| 16:27:12 | imm | darienm: hah ? |
| 16:27:23 | darienm | imm: is that your program? |
| 16:27:27 | imm | darienm: nope |
| 16:27:32 | darienm | * sigh * |
| 16:27:38 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 56 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: don't buy a 5000D if you can avoid it [Tue Aug 20 10:31:27 2002] |
| 16:27:38 | benmeyer | ibot seen killefiz |
| 16:27:50 | imm | darienm: deffinitly no smileys :) |
| 16:27:58 | darienm | imm: oh, here it is.. in games |
| 16:28:16 | imm | darienm: where it belongs |
| 16:28:18 | imm | :) |
| 16:28:59 | George- | is it possible to iterate thru 4 QStringLists and use all the data in one go? |
| 16:29:11 | George- | for ( QStringList::Iterator it = list.begin(); it != list.end(); ++it ) { |
| 16:29:11 | George- | printf( "%s \n", (*it).latin1() ); |
| 16:29:11 | George- | } |
| 16:29:13 | benmeyer | yah |
| 16:29:17 | George- | Like that, except with 4 QStringLists? |
| 16:29:23 | erikd | ahhh, kernel preemption |
| 16:29:23 | George- | and so that I printf them all in one go? |
| 16:29:28 | George- | how? :) |
| 16:29:40 | erikd | me? patch :) |
| 16:30:11 | George- | erikd: no, not you :) |
| 16:30:12 | darienm | imm: it installed fine then. does it connect to anything? |
| 16:30:14 | MarkNovak | anyone here play guitar? |
| 16:30:16 | erikd | bah |
| 16:30:20 | erikd | now i don't feel special =/ |
| 16:30:36 | erikd | goes into mad crazy coder mode |
| 16:30:37 | darienm | imm: it installed to SD card successfully. |
| 16:30:38 | BigBoss | MarkNovak: I play guitar and a bunch of other things |
| 16:30:39 | imm | darienm: you have to adjust the props and prefs that they match |
| 16:30:45 | MarkNovak | sweet |
| 16:30:49 | George- | benmeyer: how is it possible? |
| 16:31:18 | MarkNovak | BigBoss: are you in a band then |
| 16:31:50 | BigBoss | at the moment I'm getting ready to audition for a band called Enchant, www.theoasis.cc |
| 16:32:15 | darienm | imm: is it going out to a server somewhere? or using irda? |
| 16:32:58 | warmi | hi |
| 16:33:19 | kybu | warmi |
| 16:34:03 | JasonNJ | mark: you work for sun? |
| 16:34:20 | MarkNovak | sort of |
| 16:34:22 | MarkNovak | not yet... |
| 16:34:27 | MarkNovak | have family in sun |
| 16:34:36 | | George-: sorry... |
| 16:34:36 | George- | ibot MarkNovak |
| 16:34:39 | George- | heh |
| 16:34:43 | | MarkNovak: excuse me? |
| 16:34:43 | MarkNovak | ibot: MarkNovak |
| 16:34:44 | JasonNJ | I'm curious, what are you doing with a box full of Zauruses? |
| 16:34:44 | | well, Sniper is a Sharp marketing slave |
| 16:34:44 | George- | ibot Sniper |
| 16:34:53 | George- | JasonNJ: he stole them |
| 16:34:56 | MarkNovak | yes those are suns |
| 16:34:58 | MarkNovak | I did not george |
| 16:35:02 | George- | JasonNJ: He broke into BestBuy |
| 16:35:15 | imm | darienm: no, try to adjust your ip to 192.0.0.1 |
| 16:35:16 | therad | trek|hole: what is the Sharp on the left side of your picture with the big buttons....I have not seen that one |
| 16:35:17 | MarkNovak | ill verify every serial code with sharp right now... |
| 16:35:39 | George- | MarkNovak: lol, I'm just screwing about :) |
| 16:35:52 | JasonNJ | I dont care about that... what I am curious though, is, are you giving these away as prizes or something? |
| 16:36:01 | MarkNovak | no |
| 16:36:04 | MarkNovak | as a promotion |
| 16:36:09 | JasonNJ | for? |
| 16:36:11 | MarkNovak | mostly to sun employees |
| 16:36:12 | George- | what's a promotion? |
| 16:36:13 | MarkNovak | but some to customers |
| 16:36:39 | JasonNJ | so sun bought these to give away to certain customers? |
| 16:36:44 | JasonNJ | and you are doing this for them? |
| 16:36:57 | MarkNovak | sure |
| 16:37:07 | MarkNovak | they ordered 130 or so for a big show at greenbriar resort |
| 16:37:09 | George- | Give me one |
| 16:37:10 | MarkNovak | in.. west virginia |
| 16:37:10 | George- | :) |
| 16:37:11 | MarkNovak | cant |
| 16:37:38 | George- | If not, I'll let Sun know that all you ever do is play games! |
| 16:37:41 | George- | hehe |
| 16:37:46 | MarkNovak | they know that |
| 16:37:48 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 16:38:00 | George- | grr : |
| 16:38:00 | George- | :) |
| 16:38:15 | MarkNovak | me and Scott Mcnealy are always playing Counter-Strike |
| 16:38:18 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 16:38:30 | JasonNJ | mark: you know mcnealy? |
| 16:38:34 | MarkNovak | hell no |
| 16:38:35 | treke|ho1e | therad: That is the japanese zaurus |
| 16:38:37 | MarkNovak | Im kidding |
| 16:38:48 | | MarkNovak is nothing but a weedy ass-full of mammering eel ooze. |
| 16:38:48 | George- | ibot insult MarkNovak |
| 16:39:04 | JasonNJ | I dont think he is a zaurus user.. I know some of the sun execs are |
| 16:39:33 | MarkNovak | mostly our region are the ones with the zauruses |
| 16:39:40 | MarkNovak | and then some personal pda freaks along the way |
| 16:39:52 | MarkNovak | and of course, the guys ontop |
| 16:40:01 | George- | MarkNovak: Admit it! you stole 'em! :) |
| 16:40:09 | MarkNovak | admits it |
| 16:40:09 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 16:40:23 | MarkNovak | no, all sun's |
| 16:40:39 | tux_mike | sun is handing them out to employees? |
| 16:40:45 | MarkNovak | sie |
| 16:41:03 | JasonNJ | tux: there are at least 500 within Sun |
| 16:41:12 | tux_mike | cool |
| 16:41:18 | MarkNovak | 500 employees? |
| 16:41:22 | George- | Apple has a lot as well |
| 16:41:25 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 16:41:29 | George- | apparently all of the Darwin team have 'em |
| 16:41:33 | MarkNovak | much more than that... |
| 16:41:34 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 16:41:53 | George- | it's a wonder how the USB support isn't implemented yet |
| 16:41:55 | George- | slaps Apple |
| 16:42:45 | MarkNovak | the three head honchos in the computing world are IBM, Microsoft, and Sun |
| 16:42:54 | JasonNJ | george: soon. |
| 16:43:04 | fusion94- | just wet himself he's laughing so hard |
| 16:43:16 | MarkNovak | I think he disagrees? |
| 16:43:24 | George- | MarkNovak: what rubbish |
| 16:43:29 | George- | MarkNovak: it's IBM, Compaq and HP |
| 16:43:31 | JasonNJ | I'd actually put HP before sun these days |
| 16:43:39 | MarkNovak | Compaq? HP? definately not... |
| 16:43:44 | MarkNovak | hp is a printer company |
| 16:43:46 | JasonNJ | george: IBM, HP, Dell in that order |
| 16:43:46 | MarkNovak | :) |
| 16:43:52 | George- | JasonNJ: yeh |
| 16:43:53 | MarkNovak | Absolutely not dell or compaq |
| 16:43:57 | BigBoss | so why have so few people at Sun and Apple bought my software? |
| 16:43:57 | JasonNJ | then maybe sun and apple |
| 16:43:58 | MarkNovak | they remanuacture |
| 16:44:00 | fusion94- | yeah as would i, Compard is up there |
| 16:44:02 | George- | BigBoss: LOL |
| 16:44:11 | tux_mike | mark: i worked for a major computer reseller, HP sells a *lot* of pcs |
| 16:44:19 | George- | MarkNovak: HP are huge |
| 16:44:21 | MarkNovak | this isnt opinion though, im reading off a statistic |
| 16:44:28 | George- | statistics suck |
| 16:44:29 | MarkNovak | George-: a huge printer company |
| 16:44:32 | tux_mike | in fact, the company i work for now uses all HP machines, esclusivley |
| 16:44:38 | warmi | BigBoss: these Unix people , they go by just by using vi and xterm .. they don't need no fancy tck stuff |
| 16:44:39 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:44:42 | JasonNJ | sun is not bigger than HP |
| 16:44:44 | JasonNJ | not currently |
| 16:44:45 | George- | A HUGE PDA/PC/Printer/Calculator/Research company |
| 16:44:48 | MarkNovak | absolutely is |
| 16:44:48 | JasonNJ | not post merger |
| 16:44:50 | tux_mike | warmi: |
| 16:44:53 | MarkNovak | they are a competitor |
| 16:45:00 | George- | Sun's tiny compared to HP |
| 16:45:01 | MarkNovak | but those three I just told you are the biggest competitors |
| 16:45:25 | JasonNJ | actually I think even Dell might be bigger than Sun |
| 16:45:31 | JasonNJ | in terms of raw revenue |
| 16:45:37 | MarkNovak | ebay runs off sun machines... |
| 16:45:43 | imm | darienm: does it match anyone ? |
| 16:45:44 | MarkNovak | microsoft.com is hosted off of sun machines... |
| 16:45:58 | MarkNovak | Sun is a powerhouse |
| 16:46:01 | tux_mike | mark: no, microsoft.com is running on intel machines |
| 16:46:08 | tux_mike | with win2k server |
| 16:46:10 | [DrEvil] | Sun is icky |
| 16:46:10 | JasonNJ | mark: they are big, but not bigger than HP |
| 16:46:13 | MarkNovak | are they? |
| 16:46:19 | MarkNovak | Jason, not as big on the PC level |
| 16:46:25 | BigBoss | Sun is more specialized than HP so they aren't as large |
| 16:46:42 | George- | Sun doesn't do PCs |
| 16:46:46 | JasonNJ | remember, HP manufacturers a lot of stuff |
| 16:47:00 | Tenchi | BigBoss: hey do you have someone at tkc you delegate web-based order problems to? i still cant get a purchase to work |
| 16:47:14 | MarkNovak | send your money to me and ill buy it... |
| 16:47:14 | tux_mike | mark: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=www.microsoft.com |
| 16:47:21 | JasonNJ | Minis, micros, printers, faxes, devices, the whole range |
| 16:47:40 | MarkNovak | allright tux_mike i believe you |
| 16:47:43 | MarkNovak | I wasnt sure on that |
| 16:47:45 | JasonNJ | sun, you got basically minis, workstations and software |
| 16:47:50 | MarkNovak | they have purchased sun machines though |
| 16:47:52 | imm | darienm: still here ? |
| 16:47:53 | MarkNovak | probably to rip them off.. |
| 16:48:03 | MarkNovak | and then huge e10ks |
| 16:48:04 | tux_mike | Jason: and let's not forget test equipment, networking products, etc |
| 16:48:07 | MarkNovak | which ebay is running off of |
| 16:48:12 | JasonNJ | mark: an e10K is a mini |
| 16:48:17 | JasonNJ | a big mini |
| 16:48:19 | BigBoss | tenchi: that guy is on holiday right now |
| 16:48:19 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 16:48:21 | JasonNJ | but still a mini |
| 16:48:30 | tux_mike | yup. very mini |
| 16:48:30 | George- | The site www.sun.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/4.1 on Solaris 8 |
| 16:48:30 | Tenchi | hrm ok |
| 16:48:42 | [DrEvil] | no an RS/6000 SP/2... |
| 16:48:43 | tux_mike | remebers the AS/400 mainframe at his old job |
| 16:48:46 | tux_mike | that was big |
| 16:48:46 | [DrEvil] | that is a machine |
| 16:48:51 | BigBoss | AS/400 is not a mainframe |
| 16:48:53 | BigBoss | it is a mini |
| 16:48:54 | [DrEvil] | now |
| 16:49:04 | George- | The site www.solaris.org is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) on Linux. |
| 16:49:10 | George- | OWNED |
| 16:49:10 | George- | :) |
| 16:49:10 | JasonNJ | dr: even the SP2 is not that big |
| 16:49:22 | JasonNJ | some of the z-series are considerably bigger |
| 16:49:28 | tux_mike | MarkNovak: and ebay doesn't use sun, they never have. at least not for their pubilc web servers. |
| 16:49:55 | JasonNJ | technically some of the IBM 390's can be classified as minis |
| 16:49:59 | [DrEvil] | so those SP/2 systems the government has to run simulations aren't big? |
| 16:50:00 | MarkNovak | tux_mike they absolutely do |
| 16:50:04 | George- | holy shit |
| 16:50:08 | JasonNJ | they had one at OLS the size of a mini fridge |
| 16:50:08 | tux_mike | big: this one was big enough to be concidered a mainframe :) it was a special order |
| 16:50:12 | George- | eBay runs on Win98 for it's webservers!?!?!? |
| 16:50:16 | MarkNovak | no |
| 16:50:30 | MarkNovak | im 1600 percent sure its on sun machines |
| 16:50:31 | tux_mike | mark: go to ebay, do a search on it, look at the url. it's IIS calling a DLL file. |
| 16:50:33 | MarkNovak | I remember when they bought them |
| 16:50:37 | George- | "The site www.ebay.com is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4/Windows 98" |
| 16:50:37 | tux_mike | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=on&mode_w=on&site=www.ebay.com |
| 16:51:00 | tux_mike | george: NT and 9x give off the same reply to an http os query |
| 16:51:09 | George- | oh |
| 16:51:09 | therad | Ebay runs on IIS / the backend is Oracle on SUN |
| 16:51:17 | MarkNovak | how reliable is that netcraft site? |
| 16:51:28 | MarkNovak | looks like a twobit operation to me... |
| 16:51:34 | George- | MarkNovak: very |
| 16:51:41 | tux_mike | mark: actually, very. it querys the webserver by many different means. |
| 16:51:57 | therad | Netcraft is very reliable....as long as the site does not spoof its identifier |
| 16:52:12 | cdm | the netcraft site does not take into account 10000 hoky domains on a single server though. |
| 16:52:22 | JasonNJ | sun's outstanding stock as a market cap of 13 billion |
| 16:52:31 | MarkNovak | Sugar: quote sunw |
| 16:52:34 | Sugar | MarkNovak: SUNW @ 1:58pm: 4.08 (-0.11 -2.63%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 16:52:37 | MarkNovak | ouch |
| 16:52:40 | MarkNovak | down more |
| 16:52:47 | kergoth` | hrm |
| 16:52:51 | JasonNJ | dell has a market cap of 71 billion |
| 16:53:03 | MarkNovak | as a remanufacterer |
| 16:53:15 | MarkNovak | if the bigger companies stopped providing the internals, where would dell be? |
| 16:53:21 | Neo|Work | ebay uses sun+oracle as the backend I believe |
| 16:53:22 | JasonNJ | apple 5.6 billion |
| 16:53:36 | asterick | Is there a Z port of SDL? |
| 16:53:51 | George- | asterick: yes |
| 16:53:52 | | sdl is, like, Look at http://www.libsdl.org |
| 16:53:52 | George- | ibot sdl |
| 16:53:54 | tux_mike | mark: dell could very well set up it's own mfgr for parts if need be |
| 16:53:58 | George- | erhmm |
| 16:54:01 | JasonNJ | hewlett packard (HPQ) 44 billion |
| 16:54:03 | MarkNovak | but not quickly |
| 16:54:07 | warmi | MarkNovak: MS, IBM they all the idea where to take their business .. SUN seems to be completely clueless ... |
| 16:54:07 | MarkNovak | they could go under before they get it down |
| 16:54:17 | George- | warmi: LOL |
| 16:54:31 | MarkNovak | they are a niche market, much like... |
| 16:54:33 | MarkNovak | say it with me |
| 16:54:35 | MarkNovak | the zaurus |
| 16:54:43 | treke|ho1e | MarkNovak: Every business is dependant on their suppliers |
| 16:54:51 | JasonNJ | IBM 137 billion |
| 16:54:56 | MarkNovak | msft? |
| 16:54:59 | warmi | how about MS ? |
| 16:55:22 | JasonNJ | 275 billion market cap based on outstanding stock |
| 16:55:27 | treke|ho1e | sure, if no one sells them the materials they need to package their products, their screwed also |
| 16:55:28 | warmi | huh |
| 16:55:33 | Neo|Work | therad: actually, netcraft doesn't just look at the server identifier in an http query. they also use various packet stuff |
| 16:55:34 | fusion94 | i'm not saying Sun is a 2-bit operation. i'm just saying HP/Compaq is in the big 3 and not them |
| 16:55:37 | Neo|Work | like queso / nmap can do |
| 16:56:14 | MarkNovak | I came to the right place to talk about computers thats for sure |
| 16:56:15 | JasonNJ | ibm, hell and hp and then sun and apple in that order |
| 16:56:17 | MarkNovak | you guys are cool people |
| 16:56:19 | JasonNJ | er dell |
| 16:56:36 | George- | MarkNovak: is that what you do when you lose an argument? :) |
| 16:56:40 | JasonNJ | sun may be undervalued somewhat |
| 16:56:46 | JasonNJ | but not tremendously |
| 16:56:47 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: no, hell is definately a top tier organization |
| 16:56:51 | MarkNovak | George-: aren't you like 13 years old? |
| 16:56:58 | George- | 14... |
| 16:57:02 | MarkNovak | oh yeah |
| 16:57:03 | MarkNovak | sorry |
| 16:57:05 | George- | you're 12, according to ibot, so what? |
| 16:57:10 | | MarkNovak: sorry... |
| 16:57:10 | MarkNovak | ibot: marknovak |
| 16:57:13 | MarkNovak | no im not |
| 16:57:20 | | OK, George-. |
| 16:57:20 | George- | ibot MarkNovak is a 12 year old Sun slave |
| 16:57:21 | darienm | imm: resetting my IP is going to be a pain I think |
| 16:57:35 | | it has been said that MarkNovak is a 12 year old Sun slave |
| 16:57:35 | George- | ibot MarkNovak |
| 16:57:37 | | MarkNovak: I forgot marknovak |
| 16:57:37 | MarkNovak | ibot: forget MarkNovak |
| 16:57:37 | cdm | JasonNJ: MSFT has $400B in the bank. |
| 16:57:37 | George- | ;) |
| 16:57:40 | JasonNJ | fusion: satan makes a great ceo |
| 16:57:42 | | OK, George-. |
| 16:57:42 | George- | ibot MarkNovak is a 12 year old Sun slave |
| 16:57:44 | | MarkNovak is a 12 year old Sun slave |
| 16:57:44 | George- | ibot MarkNovak |
| 16:57:47 | | MarkNovak: I forgot marknovak |
| 16:57:47 | MarkNovak | ibot: forget MarkNovak |
| 16:57:48 | cdm | or some stupid huge number like that. |
| 16:57:49 | | OK, George-. |
| 16:57:49 | George- | ibot MarkNovak is a 12 year old Sun slave |
| 16:57:51 | JasonNJ | cdm: I beleive it |
| 16:57:52 | MarkNovak | ok im done |
| 16:57:52 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: exactly |
| 16:57:54 | George- | LOL |
| 16:57:56 | warmi | alright folks ... calm down |
| 16:57:59 | tux_mike | runs an os scan on stats.zone.com |
| 16:58:03 | imm | darienm: but when you put in your ip in the field, does it find you ? |
| 16:58:04 | fusion94 | warmi: agreed |
| 16:58:13 | darienm | my own IP? |
| 16:58:19 | darienm | imm: I didnt try that |
| 16:58:31 | Speedy2 | re |
| 16:58:31 | JasonNJ | cdm: most of that 400 billion in solid blocks of heroin I bet |
| 16:58:50 | MarkNovak | thats where all my money goes... |
| 16:58:53 | warmi | hi Speedy2 |
| 16:58:55 | MarkNovak | solid blocks of heroin |
| 16:59:04 | Tenchi | M$ has about $12B in the bank... not $400B |
| 16:59:08 | Speedy2 | Hello warmi, cdm, kergoth and other friends of Speedy2 |
| 16:59:09 | Neo|Work | MarkNovak: nmap can't figure out what OS your box is |
| 16:59:16 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 16:59:17 | Sniper | mark: yuou work for sun? |
| 16:59:19 | Tenchi | M$ isnt even worth $400B |
| 16:59:23 | MarkNovak | thats because it doesnt pickup solaris |
| 16:59:39 | George- | MarkNovak: what rubbish |
| 16:59:41 | Tenchi | M$ = $273B |
| 16:59:46 | JasonNJ | tenchi: about 275 bil in stock capitalization |
| 16:59:56 | JasonNJ | so you gotta figure they have like 10 or 20 percent of that in cash |
| 17:00:10 | cdm | MSFT is very cash rick. |
| 17:00:12 | cdm | rich even. |
| 17:00:14 | MarkNovak | you dig NeoTron? |
| 17:00:18 | MarkNovak | er... neo |
| 17:00:27 | cdm | hell, back in '94 they have $10B in cash. |
| 17:00:30 | darienm | imm: I even tried 127.0.0l1 |
| 17:00:40 | darienm | imm: er, 127.0.0.1 -- no luck finding a 'match' |
| 17:00:50 | darienm | imm: neverind |
| 17:00:54 | JasonNJ | bill gates and ballmer alone have around 50 bil in cash combined |
| 17:00:54 | darienm | imm: it finally found -- took a while |
| 17:01:03 | imm | darienm: cool |
| 17:01:17 | MarkNovak | I think thats bill gate alone? |
| 17:01:19 | Neo|Work | MarkNovak: I portscanned you yes. and nmap couldn't predict the OS. probably firewall or some other odd properties |
| 17:01:19 | MarkNovak | 50 bill.. |
| 17:01:24 | Tenchi | not in cash guys, hehe |
| 17:01:26 | JasonNJ | mark: on a good day |
| 17:01:38 | darienm | imm: it scans EVERY IP ?? |
| 17:01:41 | MarkNovak | thats pocket change to me |
| 17:01:43 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: not cash actually - a lot of that is in stocks |
| 17:01:44 | JasonNJ | not with the stock trading at 50 |
| 17:01:46 | Tenchi | gates' net worth is barely $50B |
| 17:01:56 | Speedy2 | Yeah, what a low amount |
| 17:01:57 | MarkNovak | yeah I thought so |
| 17:02:07 | Tenchi | i think at his peak gates was worth $80B |
| 17:02:10 | JasonNJ | when the stock traded at over 100 it was a different story |
| 17:02:17 | darienm | imm: the preferences screen is laid out a touch funny, perhaps a spacer on the right side would even things out. |
| 17:02:19 | Speedy2 | Put $80B in terms of cents and it's kind of funny |
| 17:02:21 | MarkNovak | sugar: quote msft |
| 17:02:22 | Sugar | MarkNovak: MSFT @ 2:08pm: 50.89 (-1.11 -2.13%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:02:34 | Speedy2 | sugar: quote qnx |
| 17:02:34 | Sugar | Speedy2: Invalid ticker symbol QNX. |
| 17:02:40 | JasonNJ | sugar: quote dell |
| 17:02:41 | Sugar | JasonNJ: DELL @ 2:08pm: 27.36 (-0.76 -2.70%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:02:47 | Tenchi | Speedy2: putting in terms of cents doesnt make sense (har har pun intended) |
| 17:02:48 | Speedy2 | sugar: quote intel |
| 17:02:48 | Sugar | Speedy2: Invalid ticker symbol INTEL. |
| 17:02:54 | JasonNJ | sugar: quote hpq |
| 17:02:54 | fusion94 | intl |
| 17:02:55 | Sugar | JasonNJ: HPQ @ 2:07pm: 14.529 (-0.471 -3.14%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:02:58 | fusion94 | heh |
| 17:03:03 | JasonNJ | blah |
| 17:03:07 | JasonNJ | sugar: quote ibm |
| 17:03:08 | MarkNovak | hpq? |
| 17:03:09 | Sugar | JasonNJ: IBM @ 2:08pm: 80.83 (-1.66 -2.01%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:03:13 | fusion94 | err |
| 17:03:20 | fusion94 | Sugar: quoate intc |
| 17:03:24 | fusion94 | Sugar: quote intc |
| 17:03:25 | Sugar | fusion94: INTC @ 2:09pm: 19.082 (-0.378 -1.94%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:03:27 | warmi | sugar quote trb |
| 17:03:28 | Sugar | warmi: TRB @ 1:58pm: 41.93 (-0.51 -1.20%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:03:33 | cdm | Tenchi: no offence - but billg's networth vs. MSFT's outstanding cash reserves are not related. |
| 17:03:35 | MarkNovak | sugar: quote DOW |
| 17:03:35 | Sugar | MarkNovak: DOW @ 2:06pm: 29.15 (-0.85 -2.83%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:03:44 | MarkNovak | sugar: quote DOWJ |
| 17:03:44 | Sugar | MarkNovak: Invalid ticker symbol DOWJ. |
| 17:03:49 | fusion94 | Sugar: quote rhat |
| 17:03:50 | imm | darienm: no chance to check that here :( |
| 17:03:52 | Sugar | fusion94: RHAT @ 2:05pm: 5.151 (-0.169 -3.18%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:03:56 | fusion94 | wow |
| 17:04:01 | fusion94 | rhat is higher than sun |
| 17:04:03 | fusion94 | :P |
| 17:04:10 | JasonNJ | sugar: quote lnux |
| 17:04:12 | Sugar | JasonNJ: LNUX @ 2:02pm: 1.25 (-0.06 -4.58%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:04:12 | MarkNovak | are stock was at 72 when it split |
| 17:04:14 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 17:04:15 | fusion94 | that must make rhat > sunw |
| 17:04:15 | warmi | man, wasn't rh at one point hovering aroung $100 or so |
| 17:04:27 | fusion94 | warmi: yeah and lnux was at 320 |
| 17:04:27 | JasonNJ | I remember when lnux was over 200 |
| 17:04:42 | Tenchi | oh i didnt say gates net worth and M$'s cash reserve were related |
| 17:04:53 | fusion94 | fucking jackasses ran lnux into the ground |
| 17:05:02 | cdm | Nor does MSFT's market cap and thier cash reserve have any relation. |
| 17:05:07 | MarkNovak | jackasses = who? |
| 17:05:13 | warmi | hell .. man , people lots so much cash .. it is amazing |
| 17:05:23 | fusion94 | it's board of directors for the most part |
| 17:05:28 | Dr_Who | Sugar: quota IBM |
| 17:05:31 | Tenchi | MSFT's cash researc aint double their market cap |
| 17:05:34 | Dr_Who | Sugar: quote IBM |
| 17:05:34 | Sugar | Dr_Who: IBM @ 2:11pm: 80.73 (-1.76 -2.13%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:05:41 | JasonNJ | sugar: quote t |
| 17:05:42 | Sugar | JasonNJ: T @ 2:09pm: 11.18 (+0.42 +3.90%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:05:49 | JasonNJ | sugar: quote mot |
| 17:05:49 | Sugar | JasonNJ: MOT @ 2:11pm: 12.99 (-0.39 -2.91%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:05:58 | JasonNJ | sugar: quote wcom |
| 17:06:00 | Sugar | JasonNJ: Failed to parse reply! |
| 17:06:00 | Sugar | JasonNJ: Debug : ({ }) |
| 17:06:04 | JasonNJ | lol delisted |
| 17:06:14 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:06:26 | MarkNovak | what did you do? |
| 17:06:38 | JasonNJ | I asked it to quote wcom |
| 17:06:48 | JasonNJ | wasnt aware it was delisted |
| 17:06:58 | MarkNovak | you broke sugar |
| 17:07:06 | JasonNJ | sugar: quote coms |
| 17:07:07 | Sugar | JasonNJ: COMS @ 2:11pm: 5.201 (+0.301 +6.14%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:07:11 | MarkNovak | oh ok |
| 17:07:11 | BigBoss | IBM got delisted? |
| 17:07:11 | JasonNJ | yuck |
| 17:07:13 | BigBoss | :) |
| 17:07:16 | darienm | QUESTION: where on the Zaurus can I delete the calibration settings used by fbvncserver? |
| 17:07:17 | MarkNovak | BigBoss: mot |
| 17:07:21 | MarkNovak | no, wcom |
| 17:07:35 | Neo|Work | I had LNUX stock at the initial IPO |
| 17:07:41 | Neo|Work | and sold them for $250 or so |
| 17:07:42 | JasonNJ | darien: the big button in the back of the battery panel |
| 17:07:47 | Neo|Work | that was wicked |
| 17:07:55 | Tenchi | NeoTron: sold all my LNUX the first day too :) |
| 17:07:58 | Neo|Work | now they are at $1.25. :) |
| 17:08:01 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: you suck...how did you get stock ? |
| 17:08:01 | JasonNJ | neo: I knew those pople and I didnt get in on that |
| 17:08:02 | darienm | JasonNJ: funny |
| 17:08:19 | Neo|Work | fusion94: uh, I sent a mail with various open source crap I've done, including my php work |
| 17:08:25 | Neo|Work | guess that was enough. :P |
| 17:08:35 | fusion94 | heh |
| 17:08:35 | Tenchi | yeah php work was how i got mine too :) |
| 17:08:37 | Tenchi | stupid php, hehe |
| 17:08:38 | warmi | that was pathetic ...hehe |
| 17:08:42 | fusion94 | too bad i wasn't on the committee |
| 17:08:55 | Neo|Work | totally inflated fake initial price for sure |
| 17:08:56 | fusion94 | no f&f for the state of WA |
| 17:08:56 | JasonNJ | I've never programmed anything so I didnt get any offers |
| 17:08:57 | cdm | sorry - $60B in cash and short term investments and equity. |
| 17:08:58 | Neo|Work | opened at $300 |
| 17:09:07 | warmi | this entire "reward" the developers action |
| 17:09:22 | Neo|Work | well, it was a damn nice reward. :) |
| 17:09:24 | warmi | you reward people by paying them good salary |
| 17:09:25 | JasonNJ | I bought some rhat though |
| 17:09:30 | JasonNJ | sold it a few days later |
| 17:09:34 | Neo|Work | I missed that one |
| 17:10:01 | JasonNJ | ah the glory days |
| 17:10:06 | Olegs | hi people |
| 17:10:08 | Neo|Work | it's funny now how Credit Suisse Bank (?) might get in serious trouble for things like the LNUX IPO |
| 17:10:08 | fusion94 | warmi: VA did reward developers with good salaries |
| 17:10:10 | MarkNovak | hi person |
| 17:10:20 | warmi | hi Oleg |
| 17:10:49 | Tenchi | yeah CSB are crooks! |
| 17:10:49 | warmi | fusion94 : I was talking about about entire Open Source movement ... |
| 17:10:58 | XavierXeon | is there a oz/opie backup utility ? |
| 17:11:07 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 17:11:07 | warmi | how some still like to pretend that there is money to be made in OS |
| 17:11:13 | Neo|Work | fusion94: hrm. the salaries of the "infinite ipo and investor money" age |
| 17:11:13 | JasonNJ | xavier: on killefiz |
| 17:11:14 | fusion94 | warmi: well neither rhat/lnux could hire every developer :P |
| 17:11:31 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: eh ? |
| 17:11:38 | tux_mike | woah, stat.zone.com is running linux |
| 17:11:44 | tux_mike | and i thought MS hated linux |
| 17:11:52 | MarkNovak | they do |
| 17:11:56 | Neo|Work | fusion94: LNUX never made any great amounts of money and probably spent a lot more on stuff than they should have |
| 17:12:00 | XavierXeon | it just tars /home ? |
| 17:12:00 | MarkNovak | but their NT servers aren't reliable enough to run it |
| 17:12:01 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 17:12:16 | Neo|Work | there's so many examples of inflated salaries, inflated costs for fancy unnecessary offices and stuff |
| 17:12:21 | tux_mike | baka da yo. |
| 17:12:21 | warmi | fusion94: yeah .. I know - frankly, OS exists cause people like to code and enjoy the process of creating stuff :-) |
| 17:12:23 | Neo|Work | not LNUX but no general that is |
| 17:12:28 | warmi | it is like a high tech hobby |
| 17:12:36 | kybu | XavierXeon hi |
| 17:12:55 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: no our second to last quarter in hw was decent, but then the head of sales fucked up majorly, and shortly there after we exited hw |
| 17:13:11 | XavierXeon | i will join you on my pc |
| 17:13:27 | Neo|Work | fusion94: and after hardware it's just fluff left, to be honest. :P |
| 17:13:33 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: that quarter was a 50+m quarter, so average that out and that's 200+m a year for 400 employees at the time |
| 17:13:34 | Neo|Work | at least to the causual observer |
| 17:13:51 | Neo|Work | 200M revenue or 200M sales? |
| 17:13:55 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: i completely agree with you, va should have stayed in hw and hw only |
| 17:14:10 | Neo|Work | they had some awesome looking hardware in my opinion |
| 17:14:24 | Neo|Work | kind of pricy but probably somehwat better quality than "generic server" |
| 17:14:28 | Neo|Work | or so one would hope |
| 17:14:30 | JasonNJ | fusion: how is california digital doing? |
| 17:14:34 | warmi | fusion94 the problem is that they were being smashed by Dells of this world |
| 17:14:39 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: dunno... |
| 17:14:39 | darienm | any mandrake users here? |
| 17:14:48 | warmi | at least that was the semi-official explanation for their failure |
| 17:14:48 | fusion94 | warmi: um not really |
| 17:15:04 | VerxWork | ARG! |
| 17:15:12 | VerxWork | just wants to know what time his Z will arrive today |
| 17:15:20 | VerxWork | is drooling, foaming at the mouth in fact |
| 17:15:22 | fusion94 | warmi: dell coulnd t compete on the server side |
| 17:15:24 | warmi | fusion94 sure you can survive making specialized machines , ie niche market .. but VA had big dreams .. much bigger than that |
| 17:15:56 | fusion94 | warmi: specialized machines ?? wtf are you talking about, i'm talking about 2u/1u servers |
| 17:15:58 | Skizotoro | just wants to know why he can't rebind the keys in qtopiagnuboy :( |
| 17:16:26 | JasonNJ | fusion: VA did do some cool work with Tyan in doing the dual athlon |
| 17:16:29 | Skizotoro | isnt drooling, so he steals VerxWork's drool, and sells it at an unfair price, making millions |
| 17:16:37 | fusion94 | and va's last hw the did was the 1240, a dual athlon 1u, up to 4 gb of RAM and w hot swap scsi drives |
| 17:16:37 | warmi | well, at that point offering Linux servers was niche market ( and still is to some degree) |
| 17:16:39 | JasonNJ | which, btw, I recently blew my board on, and I need to get a new one |
| 17:16:44 | warmi | it is not the hardware that made it niche .. it was OS |
| 17:16:58 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: heh...i have one next to me now actually |
| 17:17:18 | JasonNJ | fusion: you gonna mount it? I need to order a new one. |
| 17:17:30 | JasonNJ | mine wont boot anymore. I came home and it was dead |
| 17:17:34 | JasonNJ | we had a lightning storm |
| 17:17:36 | fusion94 | warmi: no a niche market is "Windows Server" |
| 17:17:42 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: Do you know of any way I can get a tracking number for my Z? |
| 17:17:43 | JasonNJ | rachel forgot to unplug all my computers |
| 17:17:44 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: sucks,,, |
| 17:17:54 | JasonNJ | I think the procs and memory are still ok |
| 17:17:59 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: well i was planning on doing something with it one day |
| 17:18:01 | kybu | Skizotoro heh |
| 17:18:07 | fusion94 | but i have no case, no ps |
| 17:18:07 | kybu | i am trying to rebind them |
| 17:18:09 | fusion94 | heh |
| 17:18:09 | darienm | imm: do you use qt designer? |
| 17:18:11 | JasonNJ | could be the PS, no easy way to tell |
| 17:18:23 | JasonNJ | doubt its the ps though |
| 17:18:28 | Skizotoro | kybu, you too? |
| 17:18:32 | JasonNJ | its a pc power and cooling 400 watter |
| 17:18:33 | kybu | Skizotoro :)) |
| 17:18:41 | JasonNJ | I've never seen one of those die |
| 17:18:54 | kybu | Skizotoro i don't want to use keyboard just pad + mail, addresbook .. buttons |
| 17:19:12 | JasonNJ | fusion: is the tyan still the good one or should I replace it with something else |
| 17:19:18 | kybu | Skizotoro have you done something? |
| 17:19:32 | JasonNJ | the tyan is a bit flakey |
| 17:19:34 | Skizotoro | nothing at all! |
| 17:19:43 | JasonNJ | was never able to get more than 512mb of ram in it |
| 17:19:55 | JasonNJ | still have 512mb pc 2100 ddr registered to add to it |
| 17:20:00 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 17:20:00 | XavierXeon | ibot feed |
| 17:20:12 | Skizotoro | I'd expect it to at least not work, but try as I might it seems to work exactly the same |
| 17:20:43 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: i've always preferred the tyans, but i'm impartial |
| 17:20:52 | Skizotoro | I /may/ have gotten the "a" key bound to the Enter key |
| 17:21:19 | Skizotoro | but I havent been trying in a debug mode or anything, so I dont know |
| 17:21:23 | kybu | Skizotoro hm |
| 17:21:27 | JasonNJ | hmm I can get an AMD for 75 bucks |
| 17:21:40 | kybu | Skizotoro the binding must be done in sys/qtopia dir |
| 17:21:52 | Skizotoro | kybu: if I did get that much bound, I can't get the escape key or any of the other keys to do their non-system functions |
| 17:21:52 | kybu | there are classes which should be rewriten |
| 17:21:56 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: amd mobo ? |
| 17:22:10 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 17:22:16 | fusion94 | cool |
| 17:22:28 | JasonNJ | let me see if it will take the chips though |
| 17:22:32 | JasonNJ | it says for athlon mp |
| 17:22:36 | JasonNJ | I have 1800's |
| 17:22:49 | Skizotoro | kybu: I'm pretty sure that I could easily move keys around on the keyboard, I think the main problem is that we're trying to use the "special" keys |
| 17:22:59 | Skizotoro | kybu: I think the system grabs them before the program does |
| 17:23:03 | JasonNJ | ah its the cpu |
| 17:23:05 | JasonNJ | not the board |
| 17:23:15 | kybu | Skizotoro yeah, QPEapplication must trap keys :) |
| 17:23:17 | kybu | i suppose |
| 17:23:34 | kybu | not mainwindow as it is now |
| 17:23:40 | Neo|Work | kybu: problem is, if you do that, the application never releases them correctly |
| 17:23:44 | Neo|Work | alas that is why it's not done |
| 17:23:51 | kybu | hm |
| 17:23:57 | kybu | i can stand that |
| 17:24:10 | Neo|Work | sure, but it can't be the general way it's done |
| 17:24:11 | kybu | playing on the keyboard is terrible |
| 17:24:11 | kybu | :) |
| 17:24:19 | Neo|Work | in SDL that is |
| 17:24:31 | Skizotoro | kybu I see this functions: QPEApplication::grabKeyboard() QPEApplication::ungrabKeyboard() listed on a page about the keys, but I dont know how to use them |
| 17:24:38 | Neo|Work | an SDL app on Qtopia can have some code to actually grap the keyboard itself - not hard |
| 17:24:51 | Skizotoro | I assume there's some header file I need to include first |
| 17:25:02 | alex1241551`4 | hey anyone know of a nes emulator for qt? |
| 17:25:11 | VerxWork | alex1241551`4: God I wish |
| 17:25:11 | Neo|Work | #include <qpplication.h> |
| 17:25:19 | Neo|Work | #include <qpe/qpeapplication.h> |
| 17:25:24 | VerxWork | NeoTron: qpe/qpeapplication.h you mean |
| 17:25:26 | VerxWork | oh |
| 17:25:27 | VerxWork | heh |
| 17:25:38 | Neo|Work | QPEApplication *app = (QPEApplication *)qApp; |
| 17:25:44 | Neo|Work | app->grabKeyboard(); ... |
| 17:25:53 | kybu | Neo|Work i think, that if i will trap keys in QPEApplaction it will work, but i need to test it |
| 17:25:54 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: qapplication.h is to get the qApp pointer |
| 17:25:55 | kybu | :) |
| 17:26:07 | Skizotoro | would that be in the main or in the widget.. |
| 17:26:08 | Neo|Work | kybu: the code above is what you need |
| 17:26:15 | Neo|Work | Skizotoro: whereever |
| 17:26:15 | JasonNJ | http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=110425&Category_Code=M |
| 17:26:23 | JasonNJ | I think I'll replace it with this one |
| 17:26:24 | Neo|Work | doesn't it use SDL? |
| 17:26:36 | kybu | no |
| 17:26:38 | kybu | it isnt |
| 17:26:44 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 17:26:46 | kybu | Neo|Work thanx |
| 17:27:01 | Neo|Work | well, never the less, the above grabs the keyboard but be assured that it will NOT ungrab the keyboard |
| 17:27:14 | Neo|Work | or to be exact, perhaps it will in some cases in some Qtopia/OPIE environments |
| 17:27:14 | VerxWork | hey kybu |
| 17:27:17 | Neo|Work | but most likely not |
| 17:27:20 | VerxWork | are you the kybu that made iqnotes? |
| 17:27:36 | Skizotoro | kybu, let's say we try this and whoever gets it to work first send it to the other person ;) |
| 17:27:44 | kybu | VerxWork yes :) |
| 17:27:52 | kybu | Skizotoro yeah :) |
| 17:28:05 | kybu | Skizotoro i think it should be configurable |
| 17:28:14 | kybu | like gnuboy in original is |
| 17:28:28 | VerxWork | kybu: Cool! Hi there! :) |
| 17:28:32 | kybu | just made bridge from .rc file to qtopia class |
| 17:28:41 | Skizotoro | well yeah, it /should/ be, but the first step to making it user-configurable is making it programmer configurable ;) |
| 17:29:00 | kybu | VerxWork you are using iqnotes? |
| 17:29:06 | VerxWork | yup |
| 17:29:11 | VerxWork | I have emailed you many times |
| 17:29:13 | kybu | VerxWork any suggestion? :) |
| 17:29:19 | kybu | yes? w8 :) |
| 17:29:22 | VerxWork | ok |
| 17:29:47 | kybu | hey i got ya |
| 17:29:49 | kybu | :) |
| 17:30:00 | VerxWork | kybu: Last I heard (if I remember correctly) is you were going to fix a problem with the FIRST node of the list not showing the + symbol |
| 17:30:05 | VerxWork | but I never saw a version that did that |
| 17:30:19 | kybu | 11 emails from you :) |
| 17:30:29 | VerxWork | I told you I emailed you several times |
| 17:30:29 | VerxWork | :) |
| 17:30:34 | kybu | VerxWork that's done |
| 17:30:42 | George- | is it possible to iterate thru 4 QStringLists at the same time? |
| 17:30:43 | kybu | also crypting by rijndale etc .. |
| 17:30:46 | George- | Without nested for loops? |
| 17:32:08 | VerxWork | kybu: Cool. When will you release the new version? |
| 17:32:17 | VerxWork | I just looked today and it was still on 8 |
| 17:32:22 | kybu | yes |
| 17:32:31 | kybu | now i amd oing reminder |
| 17:32:49 | warmi | George- well, you could .. but why ? |
| 17:33:04 | kybu | and that it will be released, but only sources will be downloadable, bin will be payed |
| 17:33:04 | George- | warmi: It's difficult to explain, just tell me! :) |
| 17:33:07 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 5 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: but most likely not [Tue Aug 20 18:27:17 2002] |
| 17:33:07 | numatrix | ibot seen Neo|Work |
| 17:33:17 | George- | yo wesr |
| 17:33:34 | Skizotoro | oh, err, if this doesnt ungrab() correctly, are there any negative effects/ways to fix negative effects without reseting? :) |
| 17:33:48 | warmi | well, set you loop to cover for the longest QStringList and inside of that loop use different count variables to itterate thru other QStringLists as well |
| 17:33:55 | warmi | it is a bit messy but can be done |
| 17:34:05 | numatrix | Neo|Work: is there no SDL sym for the OK button? Checkkeys reports it as an Unknown key. |
| 17:34:16 | George- | warmi: that's messy, I want to avoid something like that :) |
| 17:34:23 | numatrix | warmi: You get a chance to look over those sources? |
| 17:34:26 | VerxWork | kybu: Ahhh. You should start making money on it! :)) |
| 17:34:28 | warmi | what else are you going to do ? |
| 17:34:37 | wezzel | Hello George. |
| 17:34:46 | George- | yo |
| 17:34:58 | warmi | there is not Qt iterattor that will "do" multiple QValueLists at the same time :-) |
| 17:35:07 | kybu | VerxWork ehm, yes, i spend more time on this project than is healthy :) |
| 17:35:38 | George- | warmi: hah, I know |
| 17:35:50 | Neo|Work | numatrix: Qt::Key_F33 |
| 17:35:57 | robert_ | re |
| 17:35:57 | Skizotoro | o_O |
| 17:35:59 | Neo|Work | and SDL doesn't have any F33 keysym |
| 17:36:02 | Skizotoro | that's quite a long error list |
| 17:36:04 | warmi | numatrix I looked over the gameboy emu ... uh , it is messy .. they have like dozens of different blits etc ... would take too much work ( too much time ) |
| 17:36:07 | Skizotoro | ^_^ |
| 17:36:09 | George- | warmi: David Faure just answered my question :) |
| 17:36:21 | VerxWork | kybu: I think most programmers do. :) |
| 17:36:26 | warmi | how is he going to do it ? |
| 17:36:27 | kybu | :) |
| 17:36:47 | warmi | numatrix: I haven't looked at nes emu binary yet |
| 17:36:49 | Skizotoro | did I mention that I dont actually know c? :) |
| 17:36:58 | kybu | heh |
| 17:37:01 | chouimat | djk: it's you who want the nessus client |
| 17:37:40 | numatrix | alex1241|lunch: I'm trying to get one to work... (nes) |
| 17:39:38 | numatrix | Neo|Work: thanks. How hard would it be to add an F33 keysym to sdl? Seems like it would be a worthwhile addition to libsdl... |
| 17:40:06 | djk | chouimat: The client would good (full nessus for standalone use would be better) |
| 17:40:49 | djk | Anybody know of a VPN for Z? |
| 17:41:18 | chouimat | djk: I made the following assumption about the pda version: only quick check for a server security this mean only the server default and only one scan at the time |
| 17:41:21 | numatrix | djk: no, but there are a few people are working on for the contest, so hopefully one will be done soon. |
| 17:41:29 | Neo|Work | numatrix: might be better to hardcode F33 to say Key_Return or so |
| 17:41:53 | numatrix | Neo|Work: but can I do that without using any qt libs? I'm trying to do something entirely in sdl. |
| 17:42:21 | djk | numatrix: That would be great to have for Cisco and Nortel VPN's |
| 17:42:37 | chouimat | djk: what do you think |
| 17:42:51 | djk | chouimat: Does this mean you had tie today to make it work? |
| 17:43:05 | numatrix | djk: They probably won't work for Cisco (much to my disappointment as well; that's what we use at work). Cisco's is a semi-closed implementation. |
| 17:43:37 | Skizotoro | I can try all sorts of things when I have no idea what I'm doing, but then someone gives me a clue about what should be done, and from there I have to give it -_- |
| 17:43:52 | chouimat | djk: it currently working but the gui don't respect some guideline and I currently testing it with an useability specialist here so ... |
| 17:43:54 | djk | chouimat: sounds good. It would be cool to scan from the palm and store the results there |
| 17:44:40 | djk | chouimat: so you are very close it sounds ;-) |
| 17:45:15 | chouimat | djk: yes. only drawback no ssl for now |
| 17:45:40 | chouimat | djk: so I will stay with one scan at the time |
| 17:45:43 | chouimat | gtg |
| 17:46:23 | djk | numatrix: Annoying isn't that. I was playing with FreeSWAN about 9 months ago and getting close to connect |
| 17:46:56 | djk | chouimat: Not a problem is the scans are intranet scan behind firewalls |
| 17:47:27 | numatrix | djk: yeah, it's 'sorta' ipsec, but not really. It will work except for their own implementation of realms, I believe that's what breaks it. |
| 17:47:57 | chouimat | djk: I mean a host at the time |
| 17:48:14 | JasonNJ | djk: the freeswan guys were looking to do a dedicated port to the zaurus |
| 17:48:15 | chouimat | djk: on the display. I will simply loop |
| 17:48:26 | chouimat | djk: be back later |
| 17:48:30 | XavierXeon | ok call me stupid. i still can not find anything that does a _complete_ backup of oz not just the /home dir like databackup does |
| 17:48:34 | SirPsycho-work | i just noticed yall were talkin about vpn software.. does that mean someone is trying to get vpn to work from the Z ? |
| 17:49:37 | numatrix | SirPsycho-work: three people are, actually. |
| 17:49:49 | numatrix | For their dev-challenge entry. |
| 17:49:55 | SirPsycho-work | sweet |
| 17:50:06 | SirPsycho-work | i am willing to beta yall's work =) |
| 17:50:19 | numatrix | I'm not one of them. :-) |
| 17:50:27 | djk | JasonNJ: I will have to see what progress FreeSWAN is making that could very interesting |
| 17:50:37 | George- | bbiab - dinner |
| 17:51:57 | djk | numatrix: is there a list of the VPN challengers? |
| 17:52:17 | kergoth` | XavierXeon: backing up installed applications isnt done atm, as it'll be a pain in the ass.. pester ben meyer to rewrite databackup, he accidentally lost the source |
| 17:52:20 | JasonNJ | djk: I am going to ship them a unit, they just havent told me who is going to port it yet |
| 17:52:36 | warmi | got almightly ... service pack for visual studio C++ 6.0 is 128 MB |
| 17:52:38 | warmi | nice |
| 17:52:48 | bewmIES | I had KLIPS built for the Z kernel at some point |
| 17:52:53 | bewmIES | Never got motivated to really hack on it though |
| 17:53:10 | kergoth_ | hey bewmIES, havent seen you in a while |
| 17:53:13 | numatrix | djk: No, I contacted sharpt directly and asked nicely since I was curious if anyone was working on a cisco specific implementation. No one was; the challenge ends in three days anyway. |
| 17:53:15 | bewmIES | hey yourself, what beup? |
| 17:53:22 | kergoth_ | JasonNJ: glad to hear it, freeswan on the Z will be nice. |
| 17:53:26 | kergoth_ | nada, working. the usual. you? |
| 17:53:35 | bewmIES | nada, working. the usual :) |
| 17:53:43 | bewmIES | pictures WHAZAAAAAUP? |
| 17:53:45 | XavierXeon | kergoth_: i thought about writing a script to do that (and yes i know it will be a pain) |
| 17:53:49 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: did you read my email? |
| 17:53:59 | bewmIES | I'm getting motivated to start hacking on Z again |
| 17:53:59 | SirPsycho-work | something has been bothering me lately.. perhaps someone knows.. is there a way to do something like (as you would do on debian) dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:54:09 | bewmIES | Has anybody written a bottlerocket frontend yet? |
| 17:54:28 | bewmIES | ie, connect to a daemon running on the box with the dongle |
| 17:54:40 | kergoth_ | XavierXeon: 1) use ipkg files to get a list of what to backup, 2) grab the data from the ipkg database itself, or grab the entire db.. 3) ensure that you relink everything to the rootfs after restore, for packages installed to dests other than root |
| 17:54:49 | [DrEvil] | why not just make a WAP webpage on that box and go from there |
| 17:54:53 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: got it, hadnt had a chance to peruse the log yet. lemme check |
| 17:55:04 | bewmIES | Beause that's boring :) |
| 17:56:09 | JasonNJ | man I love pepsi twist |
| 17:56:59 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: What is different about it? |
| 17:57:04 | VerxWork | is that the one with lemon? |
| 17:57:06 | Skizotoro | anyone know what language the song "Lunata Spi" is in? |
| 17:57:55 | bewmIES | You're not Britney Spears! |
| 17:58:08 | Skizotoro | actually.. I AM! |
| 17:58:52 | XavierXeon | who is britney spears ? ;-) |
| 17:59:09 | Skizotoro | ...me? |
| 17:59:14 | Skizotoro | okay, I'm not.. |
| 17:59:17 | Skizotoro | but I could be |
| 17:59:57 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: man, those logs are ugly as hell.. i'm digging.. |
| 18:00:15 | djk | JasonNJ: how long have you been waiting for the FreeSWAN group to get back to you? |
| 18:00:39 | VerxWork | did freeswan on his ipaq |
| 18:00:42 | VerxWork | but unfortunately |
| 18:00:53 | VerxWork | they use a proprietary ipsec here at Boeing |
| 18:00:57 | VerxWork | so I couldn't get it to go |
| 18:00:59 | VerxWork | :((((( |
| 18:02:33 | George- | back |
| 18:02:42 | kergoth_ | hey george |
| 18:05:00 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: after line 131, and after line 141, add Sources=$(Sources) \ |
| 18:05:02 | XavierXeon | warmi: just a warning. vc7 (aka vc.net) does not like qt. (i know sevice pack is not vc7) |
| 18:05:08 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: see if that helps |
| 18:05:13 | br33zy | does anybody want to volenteer to check out my app? |
| 18:05:15 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 18:05:15 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 18:05:19 | | ACTION smashes kergoth's head into an oven, and slams the door shut |
| 18:05:19 | George- | ibot kill kergoth |
| 18:05:19 | br33zy | like compile it.. |
| 18:05:24 | | ACTION commits suicide, leaving a great deal of blood and brains on the wall. Now you clean this up mister! |
| 18:05:24 | br33zy | ibot shoot ibot |
| 18:05:31 | | br33zy: excuse me? |
| 18:05:31 | br33zy | ibot kill ibot |
| 18:05:37 | | br33zy: i'm not following you... |
| 18:05:37 | br33zy | ibot kill someone |
| 18:05:47 | George- | LOL |
| 18:06:05 | | ACTION smashes kergoth's head into an oven, and slams the door shut |
| 18:06:05 | br33zy | ibot kill kergoth |
| 18:06:09 | | br33zy: sorry... |
| 18:06:09 | br33zy | ibot kill ibot |
| 18:06:10 | kergoth_ | pfft |
| 18:06:14 | | kergoth_: I forgot kill kergoth |
| 18:06:14 | kergoth_ | ibot: forget kill kergoth |
| 18:06:16 | | br33zy: huh? |
| 18:06:16 | br33zy | ibot kill kergoth_ |
| 18:06:26 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 18:06:26 | kergoth_ | ibot: kill kergoth is <reply> no. he'll... hurt me! |
| 18:06:28 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:06:36 | George- | kergoth_: cheat! |
| 18:06:58 | George- | That is a breach of the Bot's Rights Act of 2002! |
| 18:07:41 | kergoth_ | man, you just have too much time on your hands |
| 18:07:42 | kergoth_ | yawns |
| 18:08:09 | George- | Clause 19b - Bots must have the free will to do whatever they please (Yes, that includes wanting to kill kergoth) |
| 18:08:10 | XavierXeon | is there also a bot's lefts act ? |
| 18:08:24 | George- | XavierXeon: Yes, but that's only for people like kergoth |
| 18:08:26 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 18:08:26 | George- | *g* |
| 18:08:31 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 18:08:34 | kergoth_ | hey Speedy2 |
| 18:08:37 | kergoth_ | how goes it? |
| 18:08:40 | George- | hiya Speedy2 |
| 18:08:40 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 18:08:54 | Speedy2 | I fell asleep last night but I meant to download a bunch of drivers. My new SCSI card came in! |
| 18:08:58 | Onyx4 | any of you know if kismet work on openzaurus? what kind of wlan driver it uses? |
| 18:08:59 | kergoth_ | ah nice |
| 18:09:04 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: works fine |
| 18:09:12 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 18:09:23 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: OZ uses the HostAP prism2 driver. it uses wireless-tools for configuration, not wlan-ng |
| 18:09:37 | Onyx4 | interesting |
| 18:09:42 | Onyx4 | so iwconfig and such? |
| 18:09:45 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 18:10:17 | Onyx4 | so in the config file you have to put what type of card to get it in monitor mode? |
| 18:10:27 | Onyx4 | prism2_bsd? |
| 18:10:34 | | ACTION reaches out and rips numatrix's head off instead. |
| 18:10:34 | numatrix | ibot, kill numatrix |
| 18:11:02 | Onyx4 | unless it supports pcap? |
| 18:11:35 | | ACTION reaches out and rips anselor's head off instead. |
| 18:11:35 | anselor | ibot kill numatrix |
| 18:11:41 | anselor | hmm |
| 18:11:46 | numatrix | smiles. |
| 18:11:53 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: pcap is the preferred method. |
| 18:11:56 | | no. he'll... hurt me! |
| 18:11:56 | George- | ibot kill kergoth |
| 18:12:01 | | George-: I forgot kill kergoth |
| 18:12:01 | George- | ibot forget kill kergoth |
| 18:12:02 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 18:12:29 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: so of course you install libpcap, alter the config appropriately, and it should work fine. course you need to run the monitor/unmonitor script to put the card in monitor mode (or iwpriv wlan0 monitor [channel #]) |
| 18:12:33 | | OK, George-. |
| 18:12:33 | George- | ibot kill kergoth is <action> smashes kergoth's head in a fridge, then shoves a large sword us his arse |
| 18:12:44 | | George-: I forgot kill kergoth |
| 18:12:44 | George- | ibot forget kill kergoth |
| 18:12:44 | Onyx4 | right ok |
| 18:12:46 | | OK, George-. |
| 18:12:46 | George- | ibot kill kergoth is <action> smashes kergoth's head in a fridge, then shoves a large sword us his arse |
| 18:12:49 | | ACTION smashes kergoth's head in a fridge, then shoves a large sword us his arse |
| 18:12:49 | George- | ibot kill kergoth |
| 18:12:52 | George- | ok |
| 18:12:55 | George- | :) |
| 18:13:00 | XavierXeon | that should be "up" nout "us" |
| 18:13:01 | | ACTION shoots George's left kneecap, then his right kneecap, then in his belly |
| 18:13:01 | numatrix | ibot, shoot George- |
| 18:13:04 | | ACTION shoots george in the head. |
| 18:13:04 | erikd | ibot shoot george |
| 18:13:13 | George- | wtf? |
| 18:13:14 | Onyx4 | oh yeah I see in the config prism2_hostap , good |
| 18:13:18 | erikd | hehe |
| 18:13:27 | numatrix | George-: just trying to get you to shoot me back. Try it, please. :-) |
| 18:13:39 | | George-: I forgot shoot numatrix |
| 18:13:39 | George- | ibot forget shoot numatrix |
| 18:13:50 | | OK, George-. |
| 18:13:50 | George- | ibot shoot numatrix is <action> shoots numatrix in the head |
| 18:13:54 | | ACTION shoots numatrix in the head |
| 18:13:54 | George- | ibot shoot numatrix |
| 18:13:59 | George- | happy? :) |
| 18:14:00 | numatrix | yeah, yeah.... |
| 18:14:09 | George- | What was the old factoid, btw? |
| 18:14:16 | George- | "ibot shoots george instead"? |
| 18:14:19 | George- | :) |
| 18:14:19 | XavierXeon | irc quake is boring |
| 18:14:30 | | George-: sorry... |
| 18:14:30 | George- | ibot sit on kergoth |
| 18:14:30 | numatrix | George-: something to that effect. |
| 18:14:31 | | ACTION pulls a gun to blast numatrix in the face but at the last minute, a glazed look comes over his eyes, he readjusts his aim, and shoots numatrix |
| 18:14:31 | numatrix | ibot, shoot numatrix |
| 18:14:38 | George- | LOL |
| 18:15:11 | Onyx4 | is the konqueror in OZ pretty good/comparable to opera? |
| 18:15:22 | George- | Onyx4: IMHO, Konq is better |
| 18:15:27 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: very. and you can actually rotate it properly |
| 18:15:29 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:15:33 | Onyx4 | ok cause I tried version 0.1, but maybe that was outdated |
| 18:15:34 | JasonNJ | konq needs work but its nice |
| 18:15:41 | kergoth_ | konq/e is quite large |
| 18:15:45 | kergoth_ | it could use some trimming |
| 18:15:58 | Onyx4 | I wonder where I can get a list of packages that OZ comes with |
| 18:16:01 | kergoth_ | Onyx4 |
| 18:16:05 | Onyx4 | I tried to search for a feed or something and I didn't see anything |
| 18:16:06 | XavierXeon | is osmeone still working on konq/e |
| 18:16:10 | | hmmm... oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 18:16:10 | kergoth_ | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 18:16:13 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I cc:ed you this morning on an email to a Linux/OSS vip that wants to assist with OpenZaurus |
| 18:16:21 | kergoth_ | JasonNJ: yep, I saw that. |
| 18:16:22 | Onyx4 | oh thanks |
| 18:16:24 | bewmIES | How is OZ these days? |
| 18:16:29 | bewmIES | Ever get embeded konsole fixed? :) |
| 18:16:33 | kergoth_ | bewmIES: opie is coming along quite nicely |
| 18:16:38 | kergoth_ | bewmIES: yeah.. |
| 18:16:49 | bewmIES | Maybe I'll flash it next week sometime. |
| 18:16:50 | George- | VIP? |
| 18:16:50 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes the kernel these days |
| 18:16:51 | [DrEvil] | blh |
| 18:16:53 | [DrEvil] | blah |
| 18:16:57 | bewmIES | We're moving offices this weekend so my play time is limited |
| 18:16:58 | George- | kergoth_: who's this VIP? |
| 18:17:11 | George- | [DrEvil]: you wrote EvilROM didn't you? heh |
| 18:17:13 | [DrEvil] | just got called on a job that requires 80% travel in the first year and only pays $40,000 |
| 18:17:18 | bewmIES | I remember seeing some ARM politics on LKML some time back. |
| 18:17:20 | JasonNJ | dr: that sucks |
| 18:17:22 | XavierXeon | vip = very ignorant person. must be me :) |
| 18:17:31 | bewmIES | SOmething about RMK not wanting to merge changes or Linus just not taking them, anybody know more about that? |
| 18:17:39 | JasonNJ | kergoth: we should probably start monitoring the ARM kernel lists |
| 18:17:42 | kergoth_ | JasonNJ: havent had much time to work on it. pcmcia is just about done, got a kink to work out. |
| 18:17:49 | kergoth_ | JasonNJ: I do monitor the arm lists, and lkml |
| 18:17:51 | George- | oh NO it's chouimat |
| 18:17:56 | chouimat | re |
| 18:17:58 | chouimat | George-: shaddup |
| 18:17:58 | JasonNJ | ok good. |
| 18:18:06 | George- | chouimat: lol, ok |
| 18:18:22 | Onyx4 | so from that feed, everything there is installed in the initrd? |
| 18:18:25 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I am working with Intel to get us a development system on the Net to compile stuff for PXA-250 |
| 18:18:30 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: not even close |
| 18:18:34 | JasonNJ | we need some good solid performance numbers |
| 18:18:36 | George- | chouimat: support #kde-cafe |
| 18:18:38 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: no way itd fit :-) |
| 18:18:43 | Onyx4 | ahhh |
| 18:18:51 | chouimat | djk: hehe. I will be able todo a palmos version too :) |
| 18:18:52 | Onyx4 | so you just pick what you need extra |
| 18:18:56 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 18:19:00 | kergoth_ | the base install is pretty minimal |
| 18:19:04 | kergoth_ | i leave it up to the user to install what they like |
| 18:19:09 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: what file am I adding that too? |
| 18:19:11 | Onyx4 | but it still takes close to 16 megs of rom? |
| 18:19:12 | JasonNJ | intel is very eager to get this stuff flying on the 250 |
| 18:19:14 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: libc6.mk |
| 18:19:20 | kergoth_ | JasonNJ: great, thatd be nice |
| 18:19:35 | kergoth_ | JasonNJ: on the 2.5 crap, its basically just the sound drivers and a bug here and there holding us up |
| 18:19:37 | Onyx4 | is supports bluethooh? |
| 18:19:48 | kergoth_ | JasonNJ: oh that reminds me, I should play with the OMAP stuff further. |
| 18:19:57 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: opie has a bluetooth GUI, if you have a BT card |
| 18:19:58 | JasonNJ | really, cool. |
| 18:20:16 | djk | chouimat: well I guess that would be good thing ;-) |
| 18:20:19 | MSpin | kergoth: will the 2.5 kernel fix the annoying JFFS2 'not enough spaceto remove files' thing? |
| 18:20:25 | George- | how does bluetooth work? |
| 18:20:31 | Speedy2 | George-: Poorly |
| 18:20:31 | kergoth_ | MSpin: jffs2 will always need space for garbage collection |
| 18:20:32 | chouimat | djk: maybe in superwaba :) |
| 18:20:40 | kergoth_ | MSpin: it'd be nice if it reserved that space though ;-) |
| 18:20:45 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah |
| 18:20:54 | kergoth_ | MSpin: pester david woodhouse, aka dwmw2. jffs2 is his project |
| 18:21:16 | Onyx4 | is the package installe rnow stable again? |
| 18:21:18 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: let me know if that solves it. |
| 18:21:24 | George- | kergoth_: why don't we just pester you? |
| 18:21:25 | [DrEvil] | mmmkay |
| 18:21:26 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: fairly stable, yes. |
| 18:21:42 | kergoth_ | George-: cause i dont have enough time to be pestered any more than i already am, damnit :-) |
| 18:21:56 | George- | kergoth_: that's life in tech support for you! |
| 18:21:59 | kergoth_ | no kidding |
| 18:22:01 | MSpin | kergoth: hehe...willdo: |
| 18:22:01 | [DrEvil] | Packaged contents of /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/ipktmp into ./glibc_2.2.4-7a_arm.ipk |
| 18:22:02 | [DrEvil] | w00t |
| 18:22:07 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: sweet. |
| 18:22:15 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: that was such a lame bug too. |
| 18:22:25 | [DrEvil] | what did you think of my changes to those touch lines? |
| 18:22:25 | kergoth_ | but they usually are, so what the hell |
| 18:22:44 | George- | kergoth_: pester...pester... |
| 18:22:44 | George- | :) |
| 18:22:46 | Onyx4 | and it uses a new filesystem instead of ext2? |
| 18:22:50 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: good idea, I'll commit that |
| 18:23:05 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: ramdisk uses minix, flash uses jffs2, isntead of cramfs which is what the sharp rom uses |
| 18:23:07 | kergoth_ | smacks george |
| 18:23:21 | Onyx4 | what does jffs2 stands for? |
| 18:23:25 | | jffs2 is, like, at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ |
| 18:23:25 | kergoth_ | ibot: jffs2 |
| 18:23:28 | George- | kergoth_: you fucking psycho! |
| 18:23:28 | George- | :) |
| 18:23:32 | Onyx4 | k |
| 18:23:41 | George- | Journalling Flash File System |
| 18:23:54 | [DrEvil] | that mkdir for gconv-modules in stamps is a kludge |
| 18:23:56 | VerxWork | concludes he is likely not actually going to receive his Zaurus from Sharp today. :((((( |
| 18:24:03 | [DrEvil] | I don't know why it isn't created to begin with |
| 18:24:03 | kergoth_ | Onyx4: basically is a read write filesystem directly on flash, not through the block layer, and that handles wear leveling to reduce flash wear, and compression.. |
| 18:24:15 | MSpin | it's quite nifty |
| 18:24:17 | Onyx4 | nice |
| 18:24:22 | Onyx4 | well I think im sold |
| 18:24:27 | Onyx4 | there goes the sharp rom :) |
| 18:24:48 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: that is odd, its supposed to create that.. |
| 18:24:54 | George- | kergoth_: look, your stupid project has gone and corrupted Onyx4 |
| 18:24:54 | George- | :) |
| 18:24:57 | George- | hides |
| 18:24:59 | MSpin | Onyx4: it's easy to switch back if you don't like it |
| 18:25:03 | VerxWork | anyone here have a clue of whether a swapfile on flash media would really be a horrible idea? |
| 18:25:05 | Onyx4 | you guys use more free ram and an SD card instead? |
| 18:25:14 | Onyx4 | or just 40-24 kernel? |
| 18:25:14 | kergoth_ | VerxWork: that'd definately be stupid |
| 18:25:16 | VerxWork | I have read in many places that it COULD be bad |
| 18:25:20 | VerxWork | kergoth: Ok. . . . |
| 18:25:32 | VerxWork | no way to make swap do wear levelling? :)) |
| 18:25:40 | kergoth_ | VerxWork: the filesystem will |
| 18:25:44 | Speedy2 | VerxWork: Swap file on flash media would be a HORRIBLE idea. |
| 18:25:49 | kergoth_ | VerxWork: but needless reads and writes are bad. |
| 18:26:04 | Speedy2 | Needless writes are really bad, I think reads are perfectly fine. |
| 18:26:11 | MSpin | yes |
| 18:26:15 | kergoth_ | VerxWork: if you do that, I'm taking bets on what date your flash fails :-) |
| 18:26:17 | VerxWork | but I thought that the CF media itself was intended to do wear leveling in hardware |
| 18:26:24 | VerxWork | that is the part I am confused about |
| 18:26:25 | [DrEvil] | continues to see what things continue to not build |
| 18:26:37 | MSpin | VerxWork: not that I know of |
| 18:26:41 | VerxWork | ok. . . |
| 18:26:49 | kergoth_ | VerxWork: it is. you didnt say CF, you said flash. it does wear leveling i believe, but swap on it is still horrendously stupid. |
| 18:26:54 | kergoth_ | iirc anyway |
| 18:26:55 | Speedy2 | VerxWork: Maybe so, but unwanted writes still suck, regardless of wear leveling. |
| 18:27:09 | benmeyer | question: in a script, I call another script. How do I find out the return value of that other script? |
| 18:27:11 | benmeyer | RETVAL=$? |
| 18:27:12 | benmeyer | ? |
| 18:27:15 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: you may have to add the Sources=$(Sources) \ to a couple others, i'm not certain |
| 18:27:19 | VerxWork | ok |
| 18:27:22 | VerxWork | thanks for the insight |
| 18:27:23 | VerxWork | :) |
| 18:27:31 | kergoth_ | benmeyer: yes, $? contains the last exit code |
| 18:27:37 | benmeyer | thanks |
| 18:27:55 | [DrEvil] | I think I had probs with ssh, obex |
| 18:28:09 | [DrEvil] | I'll let you know so you can add them to cvs |
| 18:28:14 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: thanks |
| 18:28:34 | Onyx4 | is lexar 64mb SD ok? |
| 18:28:39 | benmeyer | writing a script to check ipk files before adding them to the feed |
| 18:28:39 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:28:49 | kergoth_ | benmeyer: sanity check them? |
| 18:28:54 | benmeyer | yup |
| 18:28:56 | kergoth_ | nice. |
| 18:29:02 | [DrEvil] | see...it wasn't the shell |
| 18:29:07 | kergoth_ | "Error: you used mkipks, didnt you?" |
| 18:29:12 | benmeyer | Going to directly have it rip from killefiz |
| 18:29:14 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 18:29:19 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: you're right, it was as bug that my shell didnt care about |
| 18:29:21 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 18:29:29 | kergoth_ | s/as bug/a bug/ |
| 18:30:39 | kergoth_ | hey Cloudchaser |
| 18:32:04 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 18:34:09 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser |
| 18:34:23 | W|GGL|T | hi all |
| 18:34:31 | | George-: sorry... |
| 18:34:31 | George- | ibot MarkNovako |
| 18:34:31 | | MarkNovak is, like, a 12 year old Sun slave |
| 18:34:31 | George- | ibot MarkNovak |
| 18:34:35 | George- | :) |
| 18:34:41 | | MarkNovak: I forgot marknovak |
| 18:34:41 | MarkNovak | ibot: forget MarkNovak |
| 18:34:43 | | sure thing MarkNovak |
| 18:34:43 | MarkNovak | ibot: thanks |
| 18:34:59 | | OK, George-. |
| 18:34:59 | George- | ibot MarkNovak is a 12 year old Sun slave |
| 18:35:15 | MarkNovak | george stop |
| 18:35:17 | MarkNovak | youve got to grow up |
| 18:35:21 | MarkNovak | george stop |
| 18:35:22 | | no problem MarkNovak |
| 18:35:22 | MarkNovak | ibot: thanks |
| 18:35:23 | George- | LOL |
| 18:35:28 | | MarkNovak: I forgot marknovak |
| 18:35:28 | MarkNovak | ibot: forget MarkNovak |
| 18:35:47 | George- | George and Grow Up don't belong in the same line |
| 18:36:15 | MarkNovak | does mIRC have an ignore option? |
| 18:36:48 | Speedy2 | Why is George taunting you MarkNovak? |
| 18:36:57 | MarkNovak | hes only 14 |
| 18:37:03 | W|GGL|T | type /ignore nick or /ignore netmask |
| 18:37:05 | chouimat | since George- is only 10 we don't want to ask him too much ;) |
| 18:37:14 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 18:37:18 | George- | chouimat: I'm 7, get it right |
| 18:37:38 | MarkNovak | hi SystemX |
| 18:37:39 | SystemX | hello |
| 18:37:44 | SystemX | is anyone canadian in here |
| 18:37:53 | MarkNovak | get oot of here |
| 18:37:54 | George- | MarkNovak is |
| 18:37:54 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 18:37:57 | SystemX | i wanna get a zaurus |
| 18:38:00 | [DrEvil] | blame canada |
| 18:38:03 | George- | LOL |
| 18:38:05 | MarkNovak | mexico-nort |
| 18:38:06 | MarkNovak | h |
| 18:38:07 | MarkNovak | north |
| 18:38:32 | SystemX | can you install your own distro with the zaurus wm? |
| 18:38:50 | [DrEvil] | I wish Mandrake would port to the Z |
| 18:38:51 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 18:39:01 | | hmmm... MarkNovak is a 12 year old Sun slave |
| 18:39:01 | George- | ibot MarkNovak |
| 18:39:01 | SystemX | ew! why mandrake |
| 18:39:04 | George- | *g* |
| 18:39:06 | MarkNovak | I wish macromedia lash would port to the Z |
| 18:39:06 | SystemX | slack would be the way to go |
| 18:39:09 | chouimat | SystemX: yes me |
| 18:39:12 | [DrEvil] | ewww |
| 18:39:14 | [DrEvil] | Slackware |
| 18:39:15 | | MarkNovak: I forgot marknovak |
| 18:39:15 | MarkNovak | ibot: forget MarkNovak |
| 18:39:16 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 18:39:32 | [DrEvil] | that is one step down from Debian |
| 18:39:44 | George- | since when did 12 year olds know how to use the "forget" command? |
| 18:39:46 | treke | [DrEvil]: that good eh? |
| 18:39:47 | SystemX | can you run any linux program on a zaurus? |
| 18:39:51 | W|GGL|T | it feels sooooo good to have broadband access again |
| 18:39:54 | treke | George-: Will you leave him the hell alone? |
| 18:39:56 | George- | SystemX: yes |
| 18:39:58 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 18:39:59 | MarkNovak | seriously george |
| 18:40:00 | MarkNovak | drop it |
| 18:40:04 | [DrEvil] | you could if it is ported to ARM |
| 18:40:06 | SystemX | George Xchat? |
| 18:40:17 | George- | SystemX: if you have GTK/X installed, yes |
| 18:40:22 | SystemX | BitchX? |
| 18:40:22 | George- | but the screen would be too small :) |
| 18:40:24 | George- | yes |
| 18:40:28 | SystemX | could i run fluxbox on it? |
| 18:40:38 | George- | sorry treke :( |
| 18:40:39 | treke | SystemX: The zaurus doesnt normally run X |
| 18:40:44 | George- | SystemX: if you ported it :) |
| 18:40:46 | [DrEvil] | |
| 18:40:51 | SystemX | sweet |
| 18:40:59 | SystemX | there only like 400 bucks too right? |
| 18:41:09 | MarkNovak | yeah only |
| 18:41:09 | [DrEvil] | 800 in canadian money |
| 18:41:09 | treke | SystemX: You'd have to turn replace the built in environement with an X based one |
| 18:41:23 | MarkNovak | anybody up for a hot dish? |
| 18:41:25 | MarkNovak | get oot of here |
| 18:41:27 | George- | Mark has 130... :) |
| 18:41:29 | numatrix | SystemX: Cheaper lately. 340 shipped somewhere... |
| 18:41:34 | [DrEvil] | hrmm |
| 18:41:45 | Cloudchaser | w |
| 18:41:46 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: what is the password to the busybox CVS again? |
| 18:41:53 | MarkNovak | 'helloworld |
| 18:41:56 | MarkNovak | ' |
| 18:41:58 | SystemX | cool so its like a mini computer, i could put whatever i wanted on it right? |
| 18:42:05 | DrBoB | As long as I have Doom on the Zaurus ....I am a happy man |
| 18:42:10 | Cloudchaser | W|GGL|T! you're back! how was your vacation? |
| 18:42:10 | George- | SystemX: yes, but you're limited as to hard disk space |
| 18:42:11 | [DrEvil] | it's a handheld compuer |
| 18:42:12 | SystemX | how would a installer go though with a lock? |
| 18:42:16 | George- | SystemX: and screen size |
| 18:42:18 | [DrEvil] | a mini computer is a tad larger |
| 18:42:20 | SystemX | how big is the hd? |
| 18:42:25 | MarkNovak | it almost crosses the line from handheld mobile to stationary linux box... the battery lasts a good 25 minutes |
| 18:42:27 | [DrEvil] | there is no HD |
| 18:42:35 | treke | SystemX: 16 meg of flash rom. 32 mb of ram for storage |
| 18:42:44 | SystemX | thats all? |
| 18:42:47 | treke | SystemX: yup |
| 18:42:50 | MarkNovak | compactflash cards |
| 18:42:52 | SystemX | that sucks |
| 18:42:56 | treke | plus expansion cards can be sed |
| 18:43:00 | MarkNovak | I put a 256 in mine, and I play divx videos |
| 18:43:04 | treke | SystemX: Pretty much the same as any pda |
| 18:43:08 | MarkNovak | more |
| 18:43:10 | [DrEvil] | mine has 64 megs of RAM/Storage |
| 18:43:11 | MarkNovak | my palm had 8 |
| 18:43:30 | SystemX | why dont they put like a gig flach hard drive in it? |
| 18:43:32 | treke | MarkNovak: ok, except for palms |
| 18:43:38 | George- | treke: not al of that 32MB RAM is used for storage... |
| 18:43:39 | MarkNovak | well even wince |
| 18:43:39 | treke | SystemX: because they are expensive |
| 18:43:45 | SystemX | so |
| 18:43:50 | MarkNovak | 256 cost 110 |
| 18:43:53 | [DrEvil] | it would be too expensive |
| 18:43:54 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser: my 'vacation' was as expected...but at least my parents helped out alot :o) |
| 18:43:56 | SystemX | make it a extra expensive model |
| 18:43:58 | MarkNovak | 512 cost 180 |
| 18:44:02 | DrBoB | I just jammed a Cray into the CF slot..... Battery life : 0.02 seconds... but that's all I need |
| 18:44:05 | [DrEvil] | you would double the cost of the device |
| 18:44:07 | treke | SystemX: You want to pay 1000 bucks for a pda? |
| 18:44:08 | W|GGL|T | i believe i'll ge more rest here at home! |
| 18:44:12 | MarkNovak | lol drbob |
| 18:44:26 | treke | MarkNovak: That compact flash though. It eventually would go bad, nlick ram |
| 18:44:31 | SystemX | treke i would if it had a huge drive |
| 18:44:33 | MarkNovak | does it? |
| 18:44:39 | MarkNovak | does it really go bad? |
| 18:44:40 | treke | MarkNovak: yes |
| 18:44:47 | MarkNovak | so does it have an expiration date? |
| 18:44:51 | MarkNovak | certain amount of uploads? |
| 18:45:01 | treke | MarkNovak: Certain ammount of writing to it |
| 18:45:11 | [DrEvil] | everything has a MTBF |
| 18:45:12 | MarkNovak | that blows |
| 18:45:15 | SystemX | does a zaurus have a usb port? |
| 18:45:18 | MarkNovak | cradle |
| 18:45:22 | Speedy2 | SystemX: Yes, USB slave only. |
| 18:45:23 | [DrEvil] | even you |
| 18:45:31 | SystemX | i could stick a usb memory stick in there |
| 18:45:32 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 18:45:40 | Speedy2 | Sigh, no you couldn't |
| 18:45:42 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 18:45:44 | SystemX | why |
| 18:45:48 | MarkNovak | sure you could just jam it in a slot |
| 18:45:49 | treke | SystemX: Not a usb HOST |
| 18:45:53 | MarkNovak | slave |
| 18:45:57 | chouimat | later |
| 18:46:00 | SystemX | crap |
| 18:46:02 | DrBoB | flash goes bad... but, in my experience, the device becomes obsolete before the flash even thinks about going bad....so that crap is all just FUD |
| 18:46:09 | MarkNovak | oh ok |
| 18:46:15 | MarkNovak | well I upload to my CF card 8 times per day |
| 18:46:30 | George- | and the Cf is certified for 100,000 rewrites... |
| 18:46:40 | George- | diving 100,000 by 8, then divide by 365 |
| 18:46:42 | codemnky | at the crib, hanging out |
| 18:46:44 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/hanging_out.jpg |
| 18:46:50 | MarkNovak | SHUTUP George- |
| 18:46:54 | treke | well it is a huge number |
| 18:46:56 | George- | wtf? |
| 18:46:59 | DrBoB | still, you wll wear out the socket before the flash goes bad |
| 18:47:01 | George- | MarkNovak: WTH? |
| 18:47:09 | MarkNovak | that is a fat cat codemnky |
| 18:47:13 | codemnky | heh |
| 18:47:14 | codemnky | yes |
| 18:47:15 | treke | George-, MarkNovak: why dont you both just ignore eachother |
| 18:47:19 | MarkNovak | done |
| 18:47:31 | SirPsycho-work | George-: 34.2 years =) |
| 18:47:31 | MarkNovak | * Added George-!*@* to ignore list |
| 18:47:33 | George- | MarkNovak: your CF is gonna be ok for 34 years... |
| 18:47:40 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/stretch.jpg |
| 18:47:42 | MarkNovak | he did the math lol |
| 18:47:53 | MarkNovak | that dog looks eery |
| 18:48:02 | SirPsycho-work | what about the extra 0.2 years =) |
| 18:48:36 | DrBoB | I stilll have a 10 MB PCMCIA flash card when that was like the biggest you could buy...still works flawlessly |
| 18:48:43 | kergoth_ | wtf does /proc/tty/driver/serial have 45 entries for ports? there are only 2 in my system atm. weird. |
| 18:48:44 | Onyx4 | what's the best SD deal around nowadays? |
| 18:48:46 | George- | lol, I'm sorry, but Mark told me to shut up for telling him how long his flash would last :) |
| 18:49:03 | kergoth_ | George-: shhh some like to retain their ignorance |
| 18:49:04 | MarkNovak | i remember when a 1 gb hard drive had a "two man lift" sticker on it |
| 18:49:06 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 18:49:15 | MarkNovak | nowadays, a 80gb hd will fit in your pocket |
| 18:49:25 | George- | kergoth_: haha |
| 18:49:46 | DrBoB | I bought the flash card (with great trepidation) when I outgrew my giant 2 MB SDRAM card :-) |
| 18:49:59 | MarkNovak | what the hell is trepidation |
| 18:50:13 | kergoth_ | MarkNovak: pull our a dictionary. look it up. |
| 18:50:15 | numatrix | http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=trepidation |
| 18:50:16 | kergoth_ | s/our/out/ |
| 18:50:16 | DrBoB | trepidation = FUD |
| 18:50:20 | | George-: excuse me? |
| 18:50:20 | George- | ibot you suck |
| 18:50:21 | kergoth_ | numatrix: exactly. hehe |
| 18:50:22 | George- | :) |
| 18:50:33 | acf | is there some way to turn off the qtopia too much memory being used dialogus in my app? |
| 18:50:43 | MarkNovak | why cant you just say "with great fear" |
| 18:50:45 | kergoth_ | acf: dont use too much memory? |
| 18:50:45 | numatrix | kergoth_ all of 3 seconds to type that one up. ;-) |
| 18:50:49 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 18:50:57 | kergoth_ | MarkNovak: cause people like to confuse you |
| 18:51:01 | MarkNovak | impressive..... |
| 18:51:17 | DrBoB | I was really worried that the Flash would wear out on me ...never happened |
| 18:51:21 | cmanut | does anyone know if the 2.38 rom with a SanDisk 128 sd card? |
| 18:51:32 | acf | seriouslky |
| 18:51:34 | cmanut | (works) |
| 18:51:37 | DrBoB | it's supposed to |
| 18:51:38 | MarkNovak | ive got a bunch of these wireless cf cards that I cant use |
| 18:51:50 | BigBoss | why can't you use them? |
| 18:51:53 | DrBoB | mail me a couple |
| 18:52:03 | MarkNovak | I uh... dont know how |
| 18:52:11 | MarkNovak | no wireless setup yet |
| 18:52:15 | wParam | cmaunt: yeah, 2.38 fixes the problems |
| 18:52:16 | cmanut | anyone tried it? (sd card) |
| 18:52:19 | wParam | or it did for me |
| 18:52:21 | cmanut | awesome |
| 18:53:25 | cmanut | are there any ftp servers out there to replace the built in one 2.38 turns off? |
| 18:53:36 | DrBoB | I'll stash thm next to my three mothballed HP 200 LX PDAs (with all accesories) |
| 18:53:38 | JasonNJ | you could compile wu-ftp |
| 18:53:44 | MarkNovak | thats nothin |
| 18:53:54 | MarkNovak | Ive got my own archive |
| 18:54:04 | Speedy2 | HP200 LXs, huh? |
| 18:54:06 | JasonNJ | thing is, the sync server didnt just do ftp, it did qcop calls |
| 18:54:07 | Speedy2 | Got any HP48s? |
| 18:54:25 | acf | guys? any ideas on getting rid of the "you're using too much memory" errors? |
| 18:54:32 | MarkNovak | delete some stuff |
| 18:54:32 | treke | acf: reboot |
| 18:54:36 | cmanut | i may be a little over my head on that one |
| 18:54:41 | cmanut | (qcop?) |
| 18:54:49 | MarkNovak | rm * |
| 18:54:51 | JasonNJ | yeah the sync application uses qcop |
| 18:55:01 | JasonNJ | in addtion to the ftp ports |
| 18:55:18 | DrBoB | nope but I have a Texas Instruments Calc with LED readout...and a wooden sliderule :-) |
| 18:55:40 | JasonNJ | if you are looking to do transfers over the wlan, you can just install ssh and do scp sessions |
| 18:55:44 | MarkNovak | do those pocket PCs or windows CE handhelds support macromedia flash? |
| 18:55:45 | JasonNJ | basically secure ftp |
| 18:56:00 | JasonNJ | mark: yes |
| 18:56:16 | MarkNovak | maybe I should have gotten a pocketpc |
| 18:56:18 | imm | kergoth: 0.5 ? |
| 18:56:27 | Speedy2 | DrBob: I have a Radio Shack calc with LED, heh |
| 18:56:37 | cmanut | hmmm.. thanks |
| 18:56:42 | DrBoB | But to me, "higher math" means any math where I have to take my shoes off because I run out of fingers to count |
| 18:56:48 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 18:57:28 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 18:57:59 | George- | hah, 3 notices to lilo :) |
| 18:58:01 | George- | er.. |
| 18:58:03 | DrBoB | I am still crying over selling off my Timex/Sinclair ZX81 computers *sniffle* |
| 18:58:03 | George- | s/to/from |
| 18:58:11 | George- | thank god he's seen sense :) |
| 18:58:36 | MarkNovak | so guys |
| 18:58:43 | Speedy2 | Well, I have some TRaSh-80's if you want then. |
| 18:58:52 | DrBoB | *drools* |
| 18:58:53 | MarkNovak | If I was to search for an irc room for macromedia flash |
| 18:58:56 | MarkNovak | where would I start? |
| 18:59:01 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 19 hours, 10 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: bbiaf, Im gonna read a book [Tue Aug 20 00:48:45 2002] |
| 18:59:01 | imm | ibot seen kergoth |
| 18:59:06 | Speedy2 | DrBob: If you pay shipping, I promise they're yours. |
| 18:59:16 | | kergoth_ was last seen on #zaurus 8 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: MarkNovak: cause people like to confuse you [Tue Aug 20 19:50:57 2002] |
| 18:59:16 | MarkNovak | ibot: seen kergoth_ |
| 18:59:36 | imm | ahh, thanks |
| 18:59:49 | MarkNovak | I do what I can... |
| 18:59:50 | MarkNovak | :) |
| 19:00:03 | imm | hi |
| 19:00:11 | Cloudchaser | hiya rikkus |
| 19:00:15 | rikkus | hi |
| 19:00:19 | DrBoB | I think I'll save my money toward a Mid '70's Mainframe...either a HP or a IBM |
| 19:00:26 | George- | hey rik |
| 19:00:39 | benmeyer | hmmm stupid question, when you return from main with no errors is it 0 or 1? |
| 19:00:40 | DrBoB | Because I have a need to run some big iron |
| 19:00:53 | MarkNovak | hey guys |
| 19:00:57 | Speedy2 | DrBob: Just shipping. |
| 19:01:00 | MarkNovak | can I connect to more than one irc server at a time? |
| 19:01:08 | cmanut | 0 |
| 19:01:11 | Speedy2 | benmeyer: Depends on the programmer. |
| 19:01:17 | rikkus | benmeyer: 0 |
| 19:01:22 | George- | MarkNovak: depends |
| 19:01:23 | imm | MarkNovak: can you upload v0.5 please ? |
| 19:01:33 | MarkNovak | whatchou talkin about willis? |
| 19:01:45 | MarkNovak | has the hosting been working out? |
| 19:01:46 | rikkus | benmeyer: UNIX: 0 is true. C: 0 is false. :} |
| 19:02:01 | benmeyer | sigh no wonder I was getting confused |
| 19:02:05 | George- | lol |
| 19:02:07 | DrBoB | Thanks Speedy... I'll get back to you about that |
| 19:02:09 | imm | benmeyer: take 1 for true |
| 19:02:31 | benmeyer | yah, but is that true for "no errors" or true for "errors" |
| 19:02:33 | Speedy2 | DrBob: I am not going to throw them away but they take up a lot of room. I have at least two machines that works, maybe a third. (With monitors). |
| 19:02:34 | rikkus | imm: that's wrong |
| 19:02:43 | MarkNovak | imm: has the file hosting been working? |
| 19:02:57 | imm | MarkNovak: i think so |
| 19:03:10 | DrBoB | :-) hang onto them...they are a piece of computing hitory |
| 19:03:17 | DrBoB | History even |
| 19:03:22 | imm | rikkus: thats your view :) |
| 19:03:30 | Speedy2 | DrBoB: They're a piece of history I don't have space for! |
| 19:03:33 | rikkus | imm: no, it's the truth |
| 19:03:41 | kergoth_ | fundraising notices going away? |
| 19:03:43 | kergoth_ | woot |
| 19:03:47 | kergoth_ | dances a jig |
| 19:03:51 | imm | rikkus: i can live with both versions |
| 19:03:59 | MarkNovak | anybody here ever read tom clancy novels? |
| 19:04:22 | DrBoB | Advice: A 10' x 20" storage space is the key to happiness |
| 19:04:34 | DrBoB | 10' x 20' |
| 19:04:56 | DrBoB | it's cheaper than the rent for a larger apartment |
| 19:05:13 | imm | kergoth_: can you test v0.5 of zbounce ? should be the last one for a while |
| 19:05:23 | kergoth_ | imm: will do |
| 19:05:28 | MarkNovak | yo IMM |
| 19:05:29 | MarkNovak | www.marknovak.com/zbounce_0.5_arm.ipk |
| 19:05:39 | imm | kergoth_: did i send it allredy ? |
| 19:05:46 | imm | MarkNovak: thanks ! |
| 19:05:51 | MarkNovak | no problemo |
| 19:06:01 | imm | MarkNovak: do you have statistics on your server ? |
| 19:06:18 | MarkNovak | statistics: it sucks, down more often then up. |
| 19:06:19 | DrBoB | plus you get to spend pleasant idle hours gloating over your "treasures" from the past |
| 19:06:20 | MarkNovak | more detailed? |
| 19:06:51 | DrBoB | OK...I gotta go ...bbs |
| 19:06:55 | imm | MarkNovak: acces count or something |
| 19:11:22 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 19:12:05 | George- | loads marknovak.com |
| 19:12:36 | George- | argh, it's FLASH based |
| 19:13:15 | Speedy2 | ok, bbbl |
| 19:13:32 | George- | bbbl? |
| 19:13:34 | imm | George-: did you tried zbounce ? |
| 19:13:36 | George- | Be Back Bloody Later? :) |
| 19:13:38 | George- | imm: no |
| 19:13:53 | imm | George-: shame on you |
| 19:13:58 | George- | imm: lol |
| 19:14:09 | George- | imm: I can't be shamed, I'm not human |
| 19:14:12 | George- | I'm a freak |
| 19:14:40 | imm | George-: freaks play zbounce to be cool |
| 19:14:46 | George- | lol |
| 19:15:28 | imm | George-: you could take a screenie with a nicer theme then my qpe emu |
| 19:15:46 | George- | lol |
| 19:15:53 | George- | I use the standard theme....... |
| 19:16:08 | George- | and if I'm not running OZ or Sharp ROM (which is soon), I'll be running Debian |
| 19:16:28 | imm | George-: i like this .net style most |
| 19:16:38 | George- | argh |
| 19:16:47 | George- | hires an exorcist |
| 19:16:51 | George- | :) |
| 19:19:10 | MarkNovak | wow I suck at zbounce |
| 19:19:26 | George- | MarkNovak: haha |
| 19:19:46 | chouimat | s |
| 19:20:21 | ibz | a few weeks back, i saw a japanese version of the Z (MI-E21 or something) on ebay (uk) for a ridiculously lo price.. |
| 19:20:53 | ibz | i chose not to purchase because i wasn't sure whether i'd be able to get linux on there.... |
| 19:21:11 | ibz | was i right or should i go kick myself? |
| 19:21:56 | imm | ibz: sharp called a lot of calculators also Zaurus, imho |
| 19:23:04 | ibz | imm: this one looked just like the 5x00 models... |
| 19:24:19 | ibz | imm: it had a camera on the back. |
| 19:24:21 | numatrix | ibz: No one has gotten linux on to those that I know of though they are supposed to be similar. |
| 19:26:03 | ibz | numatrix: i see... |
| 19:26:38 | djk | ibz: I recall that they used a different processor and though physically like the Z you would not be able to upgrade the ROM to work with the SL-5*00 |
| 19:27:01 | W|GGL|T | one of my neighbors just got bit by a snake |
| 19:27:05 | ibz | numatrix: where can i find out how the low level boot/filesystem stuff works on the Z |
| 19:27:40 | imm | W|GGL|T: did he screamed ? |
| 19:28:20 | W|GGL|T | i dunno...i walked outside to take out the trash and he was all rolling on the ground with his friend sucking on his arm |
| 19:28:22 | numatrix | ibz: ask Kergoth, he'd be the one to know. |
| 19:28:26 | W|GGL|T | police and ambulance are all over |
| 19:28:49 | djk | chouimat: looking forward to the nessus :-) |
| 19:28:58 | ibz | numatrix: hmmn...kergoth scares me...can u ask him for me ? ;) |
| 19:30:55 | benmeyer | how do you tell if a file is empty in a script? |
| 19:31:40 | oob | benmeyer - can use FILESIZE if you're scripting in bash |
| 19:32:35 | benmeyer | k |
| 19:32:39 | benmeyer | thanks |
| 19:32:40 | numatrix | ibz: Nu-uh, he scares me too! Just kidding; seriously, just ask. |
| 19:33:53 | ibz | benmeyer: `find . -name foo -a -size 0` is one way... |
| 19:34:09 | numatrix | benmeyer: a really horrible way to do it would be `ls -l filename|awk '{print $5}'` |
| 19:34:32 | numatrix | Well, that will get you the size; forgot to add the if -eq 0 part, but you get the picture. |
| 19:36:27 | benmeyer | hmm actually diff can be used |
| 19:36:43 | benmeyer | sense it returns 0 if there it is the same size |
| 19:36:45 | benmeyer | as 0 |
| 19:36:46 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:37:30 | ibz | benmeyer: or use the equivalent of `test -s foo` which will return 0 if file is greater than 0. |
| 19:37:44 | benmeyer | well I have to do a diff anyway |
| 19:37:46 | benmeyer | so I can use it |
| 19:37:50 | benmeyer | see if ther are any new erros |
| 19:39:00 | ibz | but why do you need to check if the file is zero? can't you just `cat /dev/null > foo`? |
| 19:39:02 | kybu | hm |
| 19:39:21 | kybu | rebinds the keys in qtopiagnuboy |
| 19:39:22 | kybu | but |
| 19:39:32 | kybu | can i somehov control the cancel button? |
| 19:39:34 | benmeyer | When generating the feed it needs to download the files |
| 19:39:36 | benmeyer | and report errors |
| 19:39:50 | benmeyer | any new errors get mailed to the admin |
| 19:40:03 | benmeyer | so the old errors are kept for comparison |
| 19:40:19 | benmeyer | so a diff has to be done anyway (asuming there are any errors to start with) |
| 19:41:04 | kybu | hm grabKeyboars() seems to ignore cancel button :( |
| 19:42:59 | MarkNovak | binds? |
| 19:43:10 | MarkNovak | kybu... Im gonna queery you |
| 19:44:13 | kybu | go |
| 19:44:14 | kybu | :> |
| 19:44:53 | kybu | LOL |
| 19:45:03 | kybu | just serach internet |
| 19:45:11 | kybu | search |
| 19:45:12 | MarkNovak | yeah how about we talk in queery |
| 19:45:17 | George- | lol |
| 19:45:28 | kybu | that was stupid question |
| 19:45:53 | MarkNovak | holy shit, are you unable to talk in queery? |
| 19:46:04 | ibz | MarkNovak: is that query or queery? |
| 19:46:10 | MarkNovak | oh yeah |
| 19:46:11 | MarkNovak | oops |
| 19:46:13 | George- | lol |
| 19:46:14 | MarkNovak | wink wink |
| 19:46:26 | kybu | holy shit you got stupid question like if i can you send the roms |
| 19:46:39 | MarkNovak | what are you talking about? |
| 19:47:03 | George- | what question!??! :) |
| 19:47:24 | darienm | MarkNovak is up to his old tricks again. |
| 19:47:44 | MarkNovak | Ive got old tricks? |
| 19:47:46 | kergoth_ | arghhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:47:48 | MarkNovak | ive been in this room for about a week |
| 19:47:55 | MarkNovak | how do I already have old tricks? |
| 19:48:01 | darienm | They are starting to FEEL very old, MarkNovak |
| 19:48:05 | ibz | ok, am gone. |
| 19:48:10 | George- | bye |
| 19:48:23 | George- | mdz, mdz_: ping |
| 19:48:24 | | ACTION rampages, killing everyone in sight! |
| 19:48:24 | kergoth_ | ibot: go postal |
| 19:48:27 | kergoth_ | goes postal too |
| 19:48:44 | ibz | it was a joke, kergoth frightens a few in here... |
| 19:49:01 | George- | goes postal |
| 19:49:08 | George- | kills kergoth |
| 19:49:23 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 19:49:23 | George- | ibot: strange, considering you don't "see" anyone in IRC :) |
| 19:49:23 | kergoth_ | dies |
| 19:49:28 | Cloudchaser | leave poor kergoth alone! |
| 19:49:30 | Cloudchaser | cries |
| 19:49:31 | MarkNovak | Sorry Mr. Kruss |
| 19:49:38 | MarkNovak | ill stop my old tricks |
| 19:49:39 | | /me presses f1 |
| 19:49:39 | treke | ibot: next level |
| 19:49:47 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 19:49:48 | Cloudchaser | noooo you can't kill him! |
| 19:49:51 | MarkNovak | that ibot cracks me up |
| 19:49:53 | George- | kills Cloudchaser |
| 19:49:56 | kergoth_ | dies again for good measure |
| 19:49:58 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: util-linux is having issues |
| 19:50:09 | George- | kergoth_: haha |
| 19:50:30 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: whats the error(s)? |
| 19:50:34 | George- | bah |
| 19:50:39 | Cloudchaser | sniffs |
| 19:50:59 | MarkNovak | George- just doesnt quit |
| 19:51:04 | [DrEvil] | the first one was with the ln -s swapon swapoff |
| 19:51:05 | MarkNovak | hes like an annoyance machine |
| 19:51:09 | [DrEvil] | it said the file existed |
| 19:51:20 | [DrEvil] | there were also the touch errors |
| 19:51:23 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: er, have it rm -f it first |
| 19:51:26 | [DrEvil] | so I fixed those |
| 19:51:30 | kergoth_ | hm |
| 19:51:31 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 19:51:45 | kergoth_ | setserial /dev/ttyS14 |
| 19:51:46 | kergoth_ | er |
| 19:51:50 | kergoth_ | wrong window |
| 19:52:00 | MarkNovak | yeah I was gonna say.. |
| 19:52:01 | [DrEvil] | I added the $(Version)-$(Revision) fix for the touch errors |
| 19:52:55 | George- | MarkNovak: I am? |
| 19:53:16 | mdz | George-: yes? |
| 19:53:22 | George- | runs around screaming "I'm an annoyance machine" |
| 19:53:31 | George- | mdz: have you made any progress? |
| 19:53:46 | George- | mdz: just out of wonder |
| 19:53:55 | mdz | I have been working on a hundred other things |
| 19:54:00 | George- | ok |
| 19:54:05 | mdz | so no, I haven't touched any Zaurus stuff in a couple of weeks or so |
| 19:54:16 | mdz | is there something in particular that you are waiting for? |
| 19:54:37 | George- | mdz: I'll continue trying to improve it when I've finished developing my app (which requires me to run OZ or the Sharp ROM) |
| 19:54:55 | George- | no, I was just wondering what has happened, since your website hasn't had many updates :) |
| 19:54:59 | mdz | my stuff is basically in a holding pattern waiting for the apps to catch up |
| 19:55:07 | George- | ok |
| 19:55:21 | mdz | I may have to start packaging some of the GPE stuff myself if it doesn't show up |
| 19:55:23 | mdz | soon |
| 19:55:23 | fusion94 | BigBoss: you around ? |
| 19:55:34 | George- | mdz: ok |
| 19:55:41 | mdz | or Opie if I can stomach it |
| 19:56:30 | George- | cool |
| 19:58:24 | George- | how does one use enumerated types? |
| 19:58:31 | kergoth_ | okay I'm definately buying a drill tonight so I can hang my punching bag back up before i kill someone |
| 19:58:43 | George- | ie - if a constructor is taking an enumerated type as an argument |
| 19:58:50 | George- | what do I pass? |
| 19:59:31 | ibz | George-: language? |
| 19:59:39 | George- | ibz: C++ |
| 19:59:58 | BigBoss | you'd probably pass a stone |
| 20:00:04 | BigBoss | fusion94: what's up? |
| 20:00:07 | George- | BigBoss: haha |
| 20:00:13 | ibz | an enumerated type perhaps? |
| 20:00:27 | fusion94 | BigBoss dev tools are up in the same location |
| 20:02:08 | darienm | runs over to kergoth to perform mouth-to-mouth |
| 20:02:19 | darienm | oh wait |
| 20:02:22 | darienm | you died 2 screens up |
| 20:02:23 | darienm | nevermind |
| 20:02:26 | darienm | My scrollbar was stuck |
| 20:06:34 | benmeyer | weee |
| 20:06:45 | benmeyer | I have my automatic feed generator working |
| 20:06:51 | benmeyer | will put it on zz tomarrow |
| 20:07:04 | benmeyer | then people don't have to wait for me to upload stuff to zz it will do it automaticly |
| 20:07:08 | darienm | Shouldn't it go into public beta test first, benmeyer? |
| 20:07:12 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 20:07:13 | benmeyer | true |
| 20:07:21 | benmeyer | ok tomarrow I will make a beta_feed on zz |
| 20:07:44 | darienm | is frustrated by software released before its tested |
| 20:07:57 | benmeyer | which is one reason I wrote this |
| 20:08:25 | benmeyer | it goes through and tears apart ipks to make sure they are compliant before allowing them on the feed |
| 20:08:31 | benmeyer | lots of fun rules |
| 20:09:35 | darienm | is a feed just a web directory, or is there a special format for the file placement before the ipkg program recognizes them? |
| 20:09:51 | Wembly | there is a packages file.. |
| 20:09:56 | darienm | ahhhhhhhh |
| 20:10:02 | Wembly | that lists the description of all the packages within that dir. |
| 20:10:03 | darienm | that must be what I've been missing. |
| 20:10:06 | darienm | doh |
| 20:10:13 | Wembly | i dunno how you can generate a packages file |
| 20:11:03 | darienm | well, at the simplest it seems to have the package name and file name. |
| 20:11:18 | darienm | Are all fields required, or what's the minimum? |
| 20:12:08 | benmeyer | just use the script |
| 20:12:12 | benmeyer | I wrote a feed howto.... |
| 20:12:16 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:12:20 | | i guess feed howto is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/MaintainingIpkgFeeds |
| 20:12:20 | darienm | ibot feed howto |
| 20:12:27 | benmeyer | no |
| 20:12:34 | | i heard howtos was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 20:12:34 | benmeyer | ibot howtos |
| 20:12:57 | | OK, benmeyer. |
| 20:12:57 | benmeyer | ibot learn feed howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/feed_howto.shtml |
| 20:13:05 | | it has been said that feed howto is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/MaintainingIpkgFeeds |
| 20:13:05 | benmeyer | ibot feed howto |
| 20:13:12 | | benmeyer: I forgot feed howto |
| 20:13:12 | benmeyer | ibot forget feed howto |
| 20:13:16 | | i already had it that way, benmeyer. |
| 20:13:16 | benmeyer | ibot learn feed howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/feed_howto.shtml |
| 20:13:23 | | ...but learn feed howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/feed_howto.shtml... |
| 20:13:23 | benmeyer | ibot learn feed howto is http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/feed_howto.shtml |
| 20:13:27 | darienm | benmeyer, but the other one is good tooo ! |
| 20:13:31 | benmeyer | no |
| 20:13:33 | benmeyer | it isn't |
| 20:13:34 | darienm | no? |
| 20:13:42 | benmeyer | isn't totally correct |
| 20:13:49 | benmeyer | that is why I re-wrote it myself |
| 20:13:57 | benmeyer | anoying as all hell too |
| 20:14:01 | benmeyer | was my first week on the job |
| 20:14:04 | [DrEvil] | kergoth_: what was the pattern for adding that fix you gave me earlier for libc6? |
| 20:14:10 | benmeyer | and the documentation was crusty and wrong |
| 20:14:28 | benmeyer | bla going to be late for dinner |
| 20:14:34 | benmeyer | lasania, yummy |
| 20:14:35 | benmeyer | later |
| 20:14:39 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: Its only necessary in packages that do the make -f $(BUILD_DIR)/templates/method Name=blah .. etc.. you just add a Sources=$(Sources) \ line |
| 20:15:06 | [DrEvil] | util-linux looks like it needs that |
| 20:15:09 | [DrEvil] | but there are a few packages |
| 20:15:13 | kergoth_ | yeah |
| 20:15:15 | [DrEvil] | that it builds |
| 20:15:17 | kergoth_ | add the Source= in each one |
| 20:15:23 | kergoth_ | er Sources |
| 20:15:26 | [DrEvil] | what statements do I put that after? |
| 20:15:40 | kergoth_ | doesnt matter, as long as its in there, after the make -f |
| 20:15:52 | [DrEvil] | so 1 per ipk? |
| 20:16:18 | kergoth_ | yeah |
| 20:16:54 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 20:16:57 | chouimat | hi imm |
| 20:16:58 | [DrEvil] | um |
| 20:17:12 | imm | chouimat: holla |
| 20:17:31 | chouimat | new ui want some comments |
| 20:17:49 | [DrEvil] | you should settle on $(Version)-$(Revision) on everything that needs version info |
| 20:18:02 | [DrEvil] | util-linux only uses $(Version) |
| 20:18:46 | [DrEvil] | just for consitency |
| 20:20:01 | George- | kergoth_: I feel for you in tech support :) |
| 20:20:17 | George- | kergoth_: I just had to give instructions over the phone to my dad about "chown" |
| 20:20:18 | George- | heh |
| 20:20:26 | fusion94 | George-: i feel for kergoth cause he's kanadian |
| 20:20:42 | George- | lol |
| 20:20:50 | chouimat | fusion94: you have problem with canadian? |
| 20:21:22 | fusion94 | chouimat: i hate em all, they should have be killed and quebecistan should also be eliminated :P |
| 20:21:52 | | fusion94 is nothing but a toad-spotted mass of tastless jizzum. |
| 20:21:52 | chouimat | ibot: insult fusion94 |
| 20:22:06 | fusion94 | hah |
| 20:22:23 | | ibot is nothing but a saucyspleened gob of sheep-biting bug spit. |
| 20:22:23 | mark | ibot: insult ibot |
| 20:22:28 | chouimat | imm: any comments |
| 20:22:38 | George- | mark: I got called an "Annoyance Machine" earlier ;) |
| 20:22:44 | fusion94 | if canada is so great why does evey canadian i know want to get paid in american salary range ?? :P |
| 20:22:52 | imm | chouimat: one mom, i will look at it |
| 20:23:00 | Neo|Work | http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/machinae_supremacy_-_gianna_sisters.mp3 <-- roxors |
| 20:23:18 | | die is DADO, DADO, DADO!!!! |
| 20:23:18 | George- | ibot die |
| 20:23:21 | George- | LOL |
| 20:24:34 | | i heard canada was the 52 state of America. only without all the cool shit like guns.... |
| 20:24:34 | fusion94 | ibot: canada ? |
| 20:24:56 | chouimat | fusion94: beer is better here ;) |
| 20:25:17 | fusion94 | chouimat: last i checked....guinness is guinness |
| 20:25:28 | fusion94 | unless you're in dublin |
| 20:25:54 | chouimat | fusion94: but american beer is light beer here or Water :) |
| 20:26:51 | fusion94 | chouimat: um...but i only drink guinness so you missed the point... |
| 20:27:17 | fusion94 | chouimat: and i'll take my 300+ days of sunshine a year here in california over being asshole deep in snow |
| 20:27:29 | chouimat | fusion94: hehe |
| 20:28:52 | George- | fusion94: lol |
| 20:29:16 | fusion94 | chouimat: what part of quebecistan/kanadia you in ? |
| 20:29:54 | Cloudchaser | hullo ljp |
| 20:29:59 | George- | yo ljp_ |
| 20:30:05 | chouimat | fusion94: Quebec City |
| 20:30:21 | Cloudchaser | quebec city is a beautiful city |
| 20:30:36 | fusion94 | isn't that across the river from ottawa ? |
| 20:30:53 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: and chicks are cute ;P |
| 20:31:04 | chouimat | fusion94: yup but after 6hrs of road :) |
| 20:31:12 | fusion94 | hrm |
| 20:31:20 | Cloudchaser | hehe well..that part holds no allure for me, being a chick myself and all |
| 20:31:21 | fusion94 | whats across the river then ?? hull ? |
| 20:31:29 | fusion94 | Cloudchaser: lol |
| 20:31:32 | chouimat | fusion94: Hull |
| 20:31:37 | fusion94 | Cloudchaser: i dont think anyone realized that |
| 20:31:53 | fusion94 | chouimat: see...americans DO know geography |
| 20:31:53 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: oops |
| 20:31:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe its ok |
| 20:32:05 | chouimat | fusion94: yes but not all :) |
| 20:32:07 | Cloudchaser | i think i'm the only one here |
| 20:32:10 | fusion94 | chouimat: of course, i've spent a night or 2 in the pink panther |
| 20:32:37 | fusion94 | and Atomic |
| 20:32:46 | Cloudchaser | i used to live on the canadian border south of quebec.. used to shop in st. georges de beauce |
| 20:32:53 | Cloudchaser | was closer than any us city |
| 20:33:01 | Cloudchaser | good sales too :) |
| 20:33:11 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: hehe |
| 20:33:34 | Cloudchaser | went to carnivale one frigid february |
| 20:34:15 | Cloudchaser | coldest i've ever been in my life |
| 20:34:22 | fusion94 | heh |
| 20:34:44 | fusion94 | january 2001 was pretty freaking cold in ottawa... |
| 20:34:51 | Cloudchaser | the wind was blowing so hard it made our eyes water, then..they froze |
| 20:35:11 | Cloudchaser | was bout -50 with the wind chill |
| 20:35:36 | Cloudchaser | we drank alot that day |
| 20:36:09 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: here we drink alot everyday ;) |
| 20:36:14 | George- | will Config::isValid() return valid if the config file doesn't exist? |
| 20:36:22 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 20:36:40 | Cloudchaser | but i've been in the summer and old quebec is beautiful |
| 20:38:18 | mark | George-: read the code |
| 20:38:36 | George- | mark: oh thx |
| 20:38:53 | BigBoss | anyone have a link to those Vercel pictures that were on zauruszone yesterday that benmeyer pointed out? |
| 20:39:23 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/photos/dcim/100_0813/preview/08130009.jpg |
| 20:39:37 | chouimat | gtg |
| 20:39:39 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/photos/dcim/100_0813/preview/08130010.jpg |
| 20:39:47 | Cloudchaser | bye chouimat |
| 20:39:55 | chouimat | bbl |
| 20:40:03 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/photos/dcim/100_0813/preview/08130011.jpg |
| 20:40:32 | BigBoss | thanks CC |
| 20:40:34 | mark | Cloudchaser: what is that thing? |
| 20:40:38 | Cloudchaser | says to remove the preview from the link to see the high res |
| 20:40:45 | Cloudchaser | the word preview that is |
| 20:41:05 | Cloudchaser | mark its a vercel pda |
| 20:41:12 | BigBoss | great |
| 20:41:35 | Cloudchaser | kind of an odd little thing |
| 20:41:40 | George- | it's a bit big |
| 20:41:41 | | ciaolinux: what? |
| 20:41:41 | ciaolinux | ibot ipk |
| 20:41:45 | Cloudchaser | is it color? |
| 20:42:00 | Cloudchaser | looks like it bue hard to see |
| 20:42:12 | Cloudchaser | is half blind |
| 20:42:31 | treke | brown |
| 20:42:36 | ibz | is that keyboard an accessory or builtin? |
| 20:42:44 | Cloudchaser | dunno any more |
| 20:42:54 | George- | Think so |
| 20:42:57 | ciaolinux | how to build ipk packages? where can i find an howto? |
| 20:43:01 | Neo|Work | remove the preview to get decent sizes too |
| 20:43:03 | George- | looks like an extending keyboard built into the PDA |
| 20:43:12 | | i guess howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 20:43:12 | Cloudchaser | ibot howto |
| 20:43:28 | treke | it was built in I think |
| 20:43:29 | Cloudchaser | look there, i think there was info |
| 20:43:48 | Neo|Work | so what is that thing? |
| 20:43:53 | treke | Neo|Work: vercel |
| 20:43:55 | Cloudchaser | kind of an odd little thing, that vercel |
| 20:44:07 | treke | Neo|Work: Qtopia based thingy |
| 20:44:08 | Neo|Work | is that the thing that's really a rather fullblown computer? |
| 20:44:16 | ibz | George-:, treke: yeah, looks like the kb folds in... |
| 20:44:21 | Neo|Work | or is it PDA type device with ARM CPU etc? |
| 20:44:38 | Cloudchaser | i'd like to see one on person |
| 20:44:39 | BigBoss | it's a prototype |
| 20:44:41 | George- | Neo|Work: It's got USB host, from what I've heard |
| 20:44:51 | Cloudchaser | cool..i might have to watch that then |
| 20:44:51 | BigBoss | if Vercel doesn't get a few million pretty soon, it's all gonna be history |
| 20:45:03 | Neo|Work | that'd be too bad. looks like a nice little thing |
| 20:45:13 | BigBoss | yep |
| 20:45:14 | Cloudchaser | yeah it actually does |
| 20:45:16 | George- | Neo|Work: the problem is their website |
| 20:45:23 | Cloudchaser | probly would do for me what the z won't |
| 20:45:34 | Neo|Work | cost a lot of money/ :)) |
| 20:45:37 | George- | if your probs are s/w, then it won't |
| 20:45:38 | George- | :) |
| 20:45:43 | Neo|Work | but if it runs Qtopia, it might have many of the same problems |
| 20:45:49 | Cloudchaser | sighs |
| 20:45:49 | George- | it runs the same OS/software as the Z |
| 20:45:50 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 20:45:53 | George- | it runs embedix |
| 20:45:56 | George- | and Qtopia |
| 20:46:17 | George- | they should pay kergoth $50000 for OZ :) |
| 20:46:49 | Onyx4|work | hi |
| 20:46:52 | Cloudchaser | or hire him |
| 20:46:56 | George- | Cloudchaser: hell yeh |
| 20:46:56 | Cloudchaser | hiya Onyx4|work |
| 20:46:59 | Onyx4|work | where can I find a list of known CF and SD cards that work |
| 20:47:01 | George- | Cloudchaser: Sharp should hire kergoth |
| 20:47:05 | Onyx4|work | and the ones with problems |
| 20:47:06 | | howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 20:47:06 | Cloudchaser | ibot howto |
| 20:47:11 | Cloudchaser | onyx there |
| 20:47:11 | Onyx4|work | thx |
| 20:47:13 | George- | Cloudchaser: hell, kergoth does more work for the Z than sharp do! |
| 20:47:16 | fusion94 | George-: um no they shouldn't |
| 20:47:24 | Cloudchaser | why shouldn't they? |
| 20:47:27 | George- | fusion94: why not? |
| 20:47:37 | Neo|Work | then OZ would disappear? :) |
| 20:47:42 | fusion94 | George-: well they dont pay squate for one |
| 20:47:50 | fusion94 | squat even |
| 20:47:57 | George- | oh? |
| 20:47:59 | Neo|Work | kergoth works with tech support ya know |
| 20:48:19 | Cloudchaser | won't matter in the end |
| 20:48:29 | Cloudchaser | if things with the z continue |
| 20:48:30 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: isn't that what you do :P |
| 20:49:00 | Onyx4|work | hey cloudchaser |
| 20:49:01 | Cloudchaser | first time an exec goes to synch his email and loses it forever, pffft |
| 20:49:11 | Cloudchaser | there goes that device |
| 20:49:12 | alex1241551`4 | is the snes9x for xwindows on the z the compiled with the c core? |
| 20:49:17 | Neo|Work | fusion94: no, most certainly not. :) |
| 20:49:24 | fusion94 | heh |
| 20:49:24 | George- | Cloudchaser: why? |
| 20:49:54 | Cloudchaser | well..the best shot the z has to become very popular is for companies to buy them and buy them in quantity |
| 20:50:04 | Cloudchaser | like they do palms and otherse |
| 20:51:01 | Cloudchaser | course that's just how i feel... |
| 20:51:05 | Cloudchaser | i'm sure others don't |
| 20:52:30 | | jasonnj was last seen on #opie 1 hours, 56 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: david: you dont have a lubbock board do ya? [Tue Aug 20 19:56:28 2002] |
| 20:52:30 | BZFlag | ibot: seen jasonnj |
| 20:55:09 | Onyx4|work | so when you run an SD card with OZ, what kind of filesystem is recommended to use if I use it for putting apps on it |
| 20:56:44 | gurok | Hi, does ne1 know of a VTUN/TAP port for ARM Linux/HH IPAQ/Zaurus ? |
| 20:58:32 | Onyx4|work | man I'd like to know that too, I would use it for openvpn |
| 20:58:44 | oGMo | Onyx4|work: i dunno, i use ext2 |
| 20:58:52 | oGMo | because long filenames and permissions are good |
| 20:59:05 | oGMo | and fat sucks for anything over 16MB :P |
| 20:59:14 | Onyx4|work | yeah, I was thinking if I needed to use that jffs2 |
| 20:59:31 | | i heard jffs2 was at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ |
| 20:59:31 | Onyx4|work | ibot: jffs2 |
| 20:59:44 | oGMo | Onyx4|work: you could, but jffs2 had some problem with long filenames last i checked |
| 20:59:50 | Onyx4|work | I see |
| 20:59:58 | Onyx4|work | but that's what Oz uses for the main filesystem on ram |
| 21:00:06 | oGMo | yeah |
| 21:00:32 | oGMo | jffs2 is good for wear levelling, but i think sd does that automatically... cf does |
| 21:00:41 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 21:01:37 | Onyx4|work | actually the nice thing if I'd use only SD for applications + ROM, is that if my battery dies, then I don't lose any data since the ram was not used for storage right :) |
| 21:01:57 | Onyx4|work | and I'd get 64MB of ram ... |
| 21:02:18 | gurok | .. how would you pivot the root fs , the same way that intimate does ? |
| 21:03:00 | Onyx4|work | you run the zimage-64 kernel I think and since ROM is writable, there is no problem to configure it, and then use SD for installing extra applications |
| 21:03:24 | Onyx4|work | just a thought, dunno if that's feasable :) |
| 21:03:38 | Onyx4|work | maybe SD is actually slow for applications |
| 21:04:25 | gurok | I just got a Z today. I have been using opie on an IPAQ until now. Would like to try and use the intimate packages on my zaurus. Its a far more complete distro ! |
| 21:06:08 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 21:06:19 | oGMo | Onyx4|work: SD is slow as crap, but it ought to be fine for apps |
| 21:06:33 | ibz | Onyx4|work: does ROM stand for what i think it does? Read-Only Memory? |
| 21:06:36 | oGMo | ...as long as they don't try and load music or stuff off the SD |
| 21:07:24 | darienm | actually, playing mp3's off SD works fine... |
| 21:07:30 | oGMo | Onyx4|work: you ought to try the 48-24 image first... even 48 is an obscene amount of ram for a pda :) |
| 21:07:37 | Onyx4|work | well ROM is more like a "flash rom" but it's writable, but under the sharp rom, they mount it read-only |
| 21:07:42 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: hi |
| 21:07:43 | oGMo | darienm: not on mine, maybe it's jsut the larger-capacity sd's |
| 21:07:46 | Onyx4|work | but under OZ, it's mounted read-write |
| 21:07:49 | darienm | I have a 128 |
| 21:07:53 | oGMo | me too :/ |
| 21:08:01 | oGMo | doom, mp3s, monkey island all skip |
| 21:08:08 | Cloudchaser | does it hurt the rom to be written to alot? |
| 21:08:08 | oGMo | darienm: sandisk? |
| 21:08:21 | darienm | oGMo: Yes, I believe so. (its unlabeled) |
| 21:08:31 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: it will eventually wear out, but apparently not for 100k write cycles |
| 21:08:42 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: there was something about having to write a terabyte of data to it |
| 21:08:50 | oGMo | darienm: hrm |
| 21:09:00 | Cloudchaser | so..that's along time then? |
| 21:09:05 | oGMo | maybe |
| 21:09:08 | Onyx4|work | but most of the time, you just read from it |
| 21:09:17 | darienm | oGMo: i have two more 128's here that ARE labeled sandisk, I'll load them up with mp3's and try it again. |
| 21:09:29 | oGMo | personally i don't like the idea of writing to it because if i fuck somethign up i want to be able to hit reset and not have a brick ;) |
| 21:09:40 | oGMo | darienm: k |
| 21:10:08 | Onyx4|work | true, it's a scary thought , you'd have to reflash |
| 21:10:24 | oGMo | or worse, you overwrite the boot sector |
| 21:10:26 | Onyx4|work | but I can OZ can run the rom in read-only mode but i haven't seen anywhere how to do it |
| 21:10:41 | Onyx4|work | can=think |
| 21:10:50 | oGMo | sd cards are sexy though |
| 21:11:09 | Onyx4|work | harkelin: what kernel you use for op2? |
| 21:11:17 | Onyx4|work | 40-24? |
| 21:11:51 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: 2.4.18 |
| 21:11:53 | oGMo | yeah that |
| 21:12:14 | Onyx4|work | ohh... how did you get that one? you compiled it yourself? |
| 21:12:19 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: ipaq |
| 21:12:25 | Onyx4|work | oh that's true damn :) |
| 21:12:29 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: ipaq / familiar is on 2.4.18 |
| 21:12:39 | Onyx4|work | so with OZ then I'd still have the same problem for memory management |
| 21:12:39 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: and ill even get preemption soon |
| 21:12:54 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: yeah, but ill work on mem the next too week |
| 21:13:00 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 21:13:03 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: limit it to 3-4 mb |
| 21:13:07 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: next 2-3 weeks |
| 21:13:35 | Onyx4|work | ive been playing a bit more with transcode trying to shrink down divx files |
| 21:13:54 | Onyx4|work | I think im gonna have to use 2 pass VBR otherwise I get oversized files even with the right bitrate |
| 21:13:55 | Cloudchaser | what did you come up with Onyx4|work |
| 21:14:17 | oGMo | hmm |
| 21:14:24 | oGMo | darienm: you're right, this mp3 seems to be playing fine |
| 21:14:39 | darienm | maybe it plays fine if its ALL that the Z is doing. |
| 21:14:53 | oGMo | ya could be |
| 21:15:03 | oGMo | doom was jumping around though :( |
| 21:15:44 | imm | is there no SD on ipaq ? |
| 21:17:27 | BigBoss | is anyone syncing a Z to Lotus Notes now? |
| 21:17:57 | oGMo | people use lotus notes? *runs* |
| 21:18:20 | Cloudchaser | yeah they do |
| 21:18:21 | oGMo | BigBoss: if there's software i'm sure they are judging from all the questions about it before |
| 21:18:42 | Onyx4|work | If I think about it, maybe only the filesystem part is writable on OZ and maybe not the boot loader part |
| 21:18:56 | oGMo | Onyx4|work: could be |
| 21:19:11 | oGMo | it still makes me nervous :) |
| 21:19:28 | Onyx4|work | yeah , ive never flashed me, im so nervous to screw it up |
| 21:19:31 | Onyx4|work | me=mine |
| 21:20:39 | br33zy | does anybody here know what _SASE_ is? |
| 21:20:47 | br33zy | or what it stands for |
| 21:20:54 | Cloudchaser | self addressed stamped envelope |
| 21:20:58 | Onyx4|work | I wonder if the whole rom would be zero'ed out if it would still be flashable with the "c,d,+reset" combination or that needs the boot loader to work |
| 21:21:04 | br33zy | Cloudchaser: really? |
| 21:21:08 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 21:21:09 | | see ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 21:21:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot packages |
| 21:21:17 | | TheMasterMind1: i'm not following you... |
| 21:21:17 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot software |
| 21:21:20 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 21:21:20 | br33zy | Cloudchaser: with money? |
| 21:21:21 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: once you have the perfect transcode setting |
| 21:21:28 | Cloudchaser | not usually |
| 21:21:30 | TheMasterMind1 | whats' the other site, other than ZSI |
| 21:21:30 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: please mail me and jason |
| 21:21:36 | Cloudchaser | usually if you ask for info or something |
| 21:21:39 | | darienm: huh? |
| 21:21:39 | darienm | ibot seek killefiz |
| 21:21:40 | br33zy | Cloudchaser: okay thanks |
| 21:21:44 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 11 hours, 50 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: don't buy a 5000D if you can avoid it [Tue Aug 20 10:31:27 2002] |
| 21:21:44 | darienm | ibot seen killefiz |
| 21:21:53 | Onyx4|work | ok, again most settings may vary from one movie to the other, but I can provide guidelines for trying to find the good ones |
| 21:21:53 | Cloudchaser | they send it for free if you enclose and envlope wiht a stamp and your address on it |
| 21:22:24 | | killefiz_ was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 4 hours, 4 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: benmeyer: what can I do for you? [Mon Aug 19 18:17:31 2002] |
| 21:22:24 | imm | ibot: seen killefiz_ |
| 21:22:28 | TheMasterMind1 | btw |
| 21:22:35 | | breezy was last seen on #bzflag 157 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: brb [Sat Mar 16 04:18:43 2002] |
| 21:22:35 | br33zy | ibot seen breezy |
| 21:22:43 | | I haven't seen 'brrrzy', br33zy |
| 21:22:43 | br33zy | ibot seen brrrzy |
| 21:22:49 | | br33zy was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen br33zy [Tue Aug 20 22:22:49 2002] |
| 21:22:49 | br33zy | ibot seen br33zy |
| 21:22:52 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone having problems with usbdnet stopping functionality after a few minutes, i know how to fix it |
| 21:22:54 | br33zy | lol |
| 21:23:00 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 30 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: nice [Tue Aug 20 18:52:38 2002] |
| 21:23:00 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 21:23:08 | | I haven't seen 'a', br33zy |
| 21:23:08 | br33zy | ibot seen a |
| 21:23:13 | | hello was last seen on #bzflag 121 days, 23 hours, 13 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: i'm trying to find a good song to listen/download [Sat Apr 20 23:09:32 2002] |
| 21:23:13 | br33zy | ibot seen hello |
| 21:23:18 | | I haven't seen 'hell', br33zy |
| 21:23:18 | br33zy | ibot seen hell |
| 21:23:21 | | I haven't seen 'sex', br33zy |
| 21:23:21 | br33zy | ibot seen sex |
| 21:23:24 | | I haven't seen 'xxx', br33zy |
| 21:23:24 | br33zy | ibot seen xxx |
| 21:23:27 | | I haven't seen 'x', br33zy |
| 21:23:27 | br33zy | ibot seen x |
| 21:23:31 | | Wembly was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 13 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: i dunno how you can generate a packages file [Tue Aug 20 21:10:13 2002] |
| 21:23:31 | br33zy | ibot seen Wembly |
| 21:23:35 | MarkNovak | shutup |
| 21:23:38 | imm | ok |
| 21:23:41 | | Sorry, br33zy, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 21:23:41 | br33zy | ibot shutup |
| 21:23:48 | Onyx4|work | are you gonna do that for a little while ? :) |
| 21:23:52 | br33zy | MarkNovak: no problem.. |
| 21:24:30 | MarkNovak | onyx |
| 21:24:33 | MarkNovak | hows everything in frisco? |
| 21:26:05 | Wembly | hihihi |
| 21:26:13 | MarkNovak | hello |
| 21:26:18 | Wembly | lookin for me? |
| 21:26:23 | MarkNovak | no |
| 21:26:36 | MarkNovak | I was just like "that Wembly is one son of a gun" |
| 21:26:45 | MarkNovak | and then breezy said "ibot: seen wembly? |
| 21:26:49 | MarkNovak | that was the end o that |
| 21:27:52 | | somebody said howto was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 21:27:52 | alex1241551`4 | ibot howto |
| 21:28:04 | kergoth_ | Onyx4|work: to answer your question, if you flash a 'ospack' or 'romimage' which is all zeros you'll overwrite your bootloader and have a brick. |
| 21:28:04 | MarkNovak | WHOA |
| 21:28:06 | MarkNovak | HOLY SHIT |
| 21:28:08 | kergoth_ | bah, damn splits. |
| 21:28:10 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 21:28:14 | MarkNovak | THEY BLEW UP |
| 21:28:23 | MarkNovak | what happened just now? |
| 21:28:35 | kergoth_ | irc.openprojects.net split from brunner.openprojects.net |
| 21:28:35 | fusion94 | welcome to EFNET |
| 21:28:37 | kergoth_ | aha |
| 21:28:38 | kergoth_ | no shit |
| 21:28:51 | MarkNovak | so whats that mean? |
| 21:28:51 | kergoth_ | ah memories.. |
| 21:28:53 | MarkNovak | we just chill? |
| 21:29:04 | MSpin | frig! |
| 21:29:06 | kergoth_ | yes, you wait |
| 21:29:08 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 21:29:25 | kergoth_ | re |
| 21:29:26 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 21:29:30 | MarkNovak | HAHAHAAH |
| 21:29:30 | kergoth_ | Onyx4|work: to answer your question, if you flash a 'ospack' or 'romimage' which is all zeros you'll overwrite your bootloader and have a brick. |
| 21:29:31 | fusion94 | kergoth_: you guys got snow up there in kanadia yet ? |
| 21:29:34 | MarkNovak | you were so right kergoth!! |
| 21:29:39 | MSpin | I hate it when one does a bunch of still...and then the PDA OS dies and eats it all |
| 21:29:52 | TheMasterMind1 | http://more.sbc.co.jp/forum/dev2dev/cbbs.cgi?mode=one&namber=4614&type=4582&space=120 |
| 21:29:54 | kergoth_ | fusion94: shit, it'll happen soon i'm sure.. i'm *not* looking forward to it. heh |
| 21:30:03 | TheMasterMind1 | the rom on the 5500 can be updated without cf card |
| 21:30:03 | kergoth_ | needs to move |
| 21:30:11 | MarkNovak | ok bye |
| 21:30:12 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: yep, it can |
| 21:30:18 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: with sharp |
| 21:30:20 | kergoth_ | er |
| 21:30:22 | kergoth_ | damn enter |
| 21:30:32 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: with sharps update ipk or their setup app on the host side |
| 21:30:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth_: they have an update ipk? where.. does it work on linux too/ |
| 21:31:03 | TheMasterMind1 | all this support guy said was setupz.exe, which im' assuming is windows only ;) |
| 21:31:12 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: hmm? the ipk is an app for the Z |
| 21:31:23 | kergoth_ | TheMasterMind1: and it'll only update to a certain specific rom version |
| 21:33:14 | MarkNovak | does anyone know how I can find a macromedia flash irc room? |
| 21:33:21 | MarkNovak | is there like an irc crawler? |
| 21:33:26 | MarkNovak | or something of the sort? |
| 21:33:39 | fusion94 | flash irc ? |
| 21:33:46 | fusion94 | or you into S&M ? |
| 21:33:50 | fusion94 | are you even |
| 21:33:53 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: xgoogle.org i think |
| 21:34:17 | MarkNovak | truely? |
| 21:34:20 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:34:26 | TheMasterMind1 | irc search engine |
| 21:34:41 | MarkNovak | wow TheMasterMind1 you sure are a helpful guy |
| 21:34:44 | MarkNovak | virginians are the best |
| 21:34:53 | [DrEvil] | kergoth_: you've got mail |
| 21:36:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:36:37 | TheMasterMind1 | today i was playing doom |
| 21:36:42 | TheMasterMind1 | and i wanted to quit |
| 21:36:42 | MarkNovak | yes? |
| 21:36:44 | MarkNovak | go on! |
| 21:36:47 | TheMasterMind1 | so i pressed the home key |
| 21:36:51 | MarkNovak | oh boy |
| 21:36:53 | TheMasterMind1 | and then none of the keys would work anymore |
| 21:36:58 | TheMasterMind1 | and i had to do a full reset |
| 21:37:00 | MarkNovak | thats very common |
| 21:37:02 | TheMasterMind1 | lost everything :( |
| 21:37:09 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i quit doom |
| 21:37:10 | Cloudchaser | shoulda done soft reset |
| 21:37:16 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: how? |
| 21:37:20 | Cloudchaser | wouldn't have lost anything |
| 21:37:22 | Cloudchaser | read your manual |
| 21:37:27 | TheMasterMind1 | good idea |
| 21:37:28 | MarkNovak | RTFM |
| 21:37:32 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 21:37:32 | Cloudchaser | i'm too lazy to tell you |
| 21:38:54 | TheMasterMind1 | awww |
| 21:38:54 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 21:39:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i even flipped that switch to reach the hard reset button |
| 21:39:49 | Onyx4|work | thanks kergoth, that answers my question. |
| 21:40:08 | Onyx4|work | so as long as I play with zimage and initrd, it's usually not a chance to get a brick :) |
| 21:40:21 | kergoth_ | precisely. |
| 21:40:39 | Onyx4|work | and is the boot loader writable from the OS once it's booted? |
| 21:40:42 | Onyx4|work | or it's protected? |
| 21:40:52 | kergoth_ | Onyx4|work: its on a seperate flash partition which is read only |
| 21:40:57 | kergoth_ | Onyx4|work: mtdblock0 is the bootloader |
| 21:40:58 | Onyx4|work | nice thanks |
| 21:40:59 | kergoth_ | np |
| 21:41:12 | Onyx4|work | cause I was getting worried of security problems you know :) |
| 21:41:16 | Onyx4|work | since everything runs as root |
| 21:41:34 | MarkNovak | you guys crack me up |
| 21:41:53 | kergoth_ | MarkNovak: ? |
| 21:42:01 | Onyx4|work | too technical? |
| 21:43:21 | MarkNovak | Onyx4|work how are things in frisco? |
| 21:44:19 | Onyx4|work | ok :) |
| 21:51:41 | TheMasterMind1 | does the ssh package come with scp? |
| 21:51:54 | kergoth_ | yeah |
| 21:53:26 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 21:53:29 | TheMasterMind1 | no more ftp then |
| 21:53:40 | kergoth_ | gotta love scp |
| 21:53:41 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 21:53:47 | kergoth_ | which is why its included in OZ by default of course |
| 21:53:49 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 21:53:58 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 21:54:00 | kergoth_ | woot. time to get the hell out of here |
| 21:54:06 | kergoth`gone | goes home |
| 21:54:12 | TheMasterMind1 | contemplates.. |
| 21:54:18 | TheMasterMind1 | to reboot into windows and update the rom or not.. |
| 21:57:14 | Onyx4|work | mark, did you observe that divx always produces oversized files even if you force the bitrate for small files like 256mb? |
| 21:57:29 | Onyx4|work | I havent tried 2 pass tough |
| 22:01:31 | Onyx4|work | anyone compiled ettercap on Z successfully? |
| 22:11:02 | MSpin | kergoth: is there a way get the OZ kernel to bypass loading certain modules at boot? |
| 22:11:25 | MSpin | oh, oops |
| 22:22:53 | scanline | is back (gone 12:20:54) |
| 22:24:06 | Wembly | mspin: like which ones? |
| 22:27:05 | MSpin | Wembly: preferably, any of them |
| 22:27:15 | MSpin | my FS got hosed |
| 22:27:39 | MSpin | and I'd like to get things boot enought to either repair it or get a couple XML files off:) |
| 22:29:30 | Wembly | herm. |
| 22:29:44 | Wembly | there are only two modules that get loaded on startup |
| 22:29:49 | Wembly | atleast i thought |
| 22:30:01 | Wembly | its in /etc/modules |
| 22:30:45 | Wembly | err wait |
| 22:30:51 | Wembly | errr yea |
| 22:30:52 | Wembly | hehe |
| 22:30:59 | Wembly | sharp_mmcsd_m and usbdmonitor |
| 22:31:05 | MSpin | it seems to be the sharp_mmcsd_m one |
| 22:31:27 | Wembly | what kinda access do you have? |
| 22:31:41 | MSpin | the system dies on bott |
| 22:31:43 | MSpin | boot |
| 22:31:47 | Wembly | icky |
| 22:31:48 | MSpin | I can reflash |
| 22:31:50 | MSpin | very |
| 22:32:46 | Wembly | wait till kergoth gets back |
| 22:32:49 | MSpin | but reflashing initrd would trash my files, right? |
| 22:32:50 | Wembly | he's on his way back home atm. |
| 22:32:53 | Wembly | yea |
| 22:33:00 | Wembly | reflashing initrd would trash whats on / |
| 22:33:12 | ljp | can yo back that up? |
| 22:33:18 | darienm | killefiz_: are you here? |
| 22:33:19 | Wembly | err yea |
| 22:33:21 | MSpin | if not, it's not the end of the world..I'd jsut like to save a couple hrs work |
| 22:33:25 | Wembly | herm. |
| 22:33:27 | | killefiz_ was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 5 hours, 15 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: benmeyer: what can I do for you? [Mon Aug 19 18:17:31 2002] |
| 22:33:27 | darienm | ibot seen killefiz_ |
| 22:33:36 | MSpin | is there a bootloader command to copy the flash to a file? |
| 22:33:45 | Wembly | mspin: dunno |
| 22:34:01 | MSpin | that would be perfect |
| 22:34:06 | Wembly | *nods* |
| 22:34:06 | imm | where do i install sounds ? |
| 22:34:18 | ljp | sounds? |
| 22:34:30 | imm | au's |
| 22:34:36 | tux_mike | mmmmm VNV |
| 22:34:49 | imm | there is just a pictures dir |
| 22:34:52 | ljp | like songs to listen too? |
| 22:35:05 | imm | no, like sounds of a game |
| 22:35:10 | ljp | oh |
| 22:35:44 | warmi | re |
| 22:35:49 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 22:35:56 | ljp | can put them in /opt/QtPalmtop/sounds/nameofprogram |
| 22:36:13 | tux_mike | or you can compile them into the progra |
| 22:36:18 | tux_mike | m |
| 22:36:32 | ljp | not sure if you'd need the full file path tho |
| 22:38:30 | imm | so thats ok if i create a new dir in /opt/QtPalmtop/ ? |
| 22:38:55 | imm | or is there a sounds allredy ? |
| 22:39:04 | Wembly | bbl rebooting new kernel |
| 22:39:28 | imm | wishes he would receive his Z soon and could look himself :( |
| 22:40:38 | ljp | well, /opt/QtPalmtop/sounds already exists |
| 22:40:52 | imm | nice, thanks |
| 22:41:24 | ljp | but I would recommend putting the sounds into their own directory in there |
| 22:42:17 | imm | ljp: ok |
| 22:42:29 | Wembly | joyish |
| 22:42:36 | Wembly | gotta recompile again :/ |
| 22:42:53 | imm | thinks killefiz cant stand his release pace |
| 22:42:58 | kergoth | MSpin: the Z's bootloader sucks. there's no capability like that at the moment. |
| 22:43:46 | kergoth | MSpin: What we need is something like redhat's ability to prompt on each init script on boot. hmm. I should throw that in there |
| 22:43:54 | imm | a release a day keeps the frustration of no Z away |
| 22:44:01 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah, that'd be nice |
| 22:44:17 | ljp | ya and boot menu :) |
| 22:44:23 | kergoth | MSpin: hehe. OZ is swiping the best aspects of debian and redhat and familiar and merging them |
| 22:44:27 | kergoth | ljp: yeah yeah yeah :-) |
| 22:44:35 | MSpin | I'd jsut like the backlight to come one before the splash screen:) |
| 22:44:35 | warmi | imm : what did you release today ? |
| 22:44:40 | kergoth | ljp: I saw a scap of a boot menu.. i think someone created one for familiar |
| 22:44:50 | kergoth | MSpin: oh thats an easy fix.. so you can see the animation right? |
| 22:44:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:44:58 | MSpin | kergoth: exactly:) |
| 22:45:00 | Wembly | wb kergoth :) |
| 22:45:02 | imm | warmi: zbounce 0.5 but killefiz is prety slow |
| 22:45:09 | kergoth | christ, i need to move the cat litter box out of my den |
| 22:45:12 | kergoth | dies of stench |
| 22:45:23 | treke | sell your cat |
| 22:45:28 | Wembly | kergoth: initscript junk from redhat.. joyish.. hhe |
| 22:45:34 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:45:41 | kergoth | Wembly: only the ability to prompt on each script :-) |
| 22:45:46 | Wembly | oh ok :) |
| 22:45:52 | linux | did anyone have an answer from sharp about the challange? |
| 22:45:56 | Wembly | well while were at it lets just redo the whole init system :) |
| 22:45:57 | warmi | kergoth I don't think you cat cares one way or another .. |
| 22:46:01 | Wembly | merge it with cron and at :) |
| 22:46:04 | MSpin | is merging in the changes from kismet 2.4.6 so kismet_qt works again |
| 22:46:17 | kergoth | Wembly: oh on the ifstate thing, we should make it in var .. and put a default empty file in the .var_default.tar with a symlink in /etc/network/ |
| 22:46:17 | Wembly | btw the init scritps do need to be rewrittin imho :) |
| 22:46:28 | kergoth | Wembly: what scripts? |
| 22:46:39 | kergoth | Wembly: send me patches, man ... :-P |
| 22:46:43 | Wembly | hehe |
| 22:46:48 | Wembly | speaking of patches.. hold on a sec |
| 22:46:52 | imm | warmi: http://www.marknovak.com/zbounce_0.5_arm.ipk |
| 22:46:55 | kergoth | i need to start a policy on pushing patches from OZ upstream |
| 22:47:02 | Wembly | oh and that url i gave you before i left for those updated hotplug scripts i updated a bit more |
| 22:47:03 | kergoth | so i dont forget to do it |
| 22:47:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:47:15 | kergoth | Wembly: cool. message me the url again, cause i lost it. :-) |
| 22:47:19 | Wembly | k |
| 22:47:35 | Wembly | hahahha |
| 22:47:42 | ljp | heh bye |
| 22:47:45 | Wembly | msg me the url cus i lost it... then quits.. |
| 22:47:52 | MSpin | looks at his watch..and counts |
| 22:47:52 | Wembly | and how's he expect me to do that now? heheh |
| 22:47:53 | kergoth | oops |
| 22:47:56 | Wembly | hahahah |
| 22:47:57 | MSpin | heh |
| 22:47:58 | ljp | heheh he's got bad cable connection |
| 22:47:59 | Wembly | yea shure |
| 22:48:06 | Wembly | say 'msg me' then quit |
| 22:48:06 | warmi | clicked on that little X button my mistake ? |
| 22:48:08 | linux | imm: is that your app for the challange? |
| 22:48:09 | Wembly | *humf* ;) |
| 22:48:09 | MSpin | the cat got mad |
| 22:48:10 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:48:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:48:44 | imm | linux: nope, just for fun |
| 22:48:57 | kergoth | okay, so tonight I'm going to start revamping all of Digi's drivers to use rmk's new serial stuff |
| 22:48:58 | linux | imm: what is that for? |
| 22:48:59 | kergoth | fun |
| 22:49:09 | imm | linux: a game |
| 22:50:00 | linux | imm: did you get any reply from sharp? |
| 22:50:18 | imm | linux: nope :( |
| 22:50:54 | linux | imm: ok... so we just need to wait i guess |
| 22:51:28 | imm | John Doe is now charging 6$ for his app |
| 22:52:03 | Wembly | imm: whats this? |
| 22:52:05 | linux | what is his app? |
| 22:52:45 | warmi | linux .. that is an interesting nick |
| 22:52:51 | warmi | heh |
| 22:52:53 | imm | kergoth: you should sell OZ on handango for 3.95$ per ipk |
| 22:53:13 | linux | warmi: easy... i would say |
| 22:53:15 | Tenchi | hehe |
| 22:53:27 | kergoth | OpenZaurus=~s/Open/Commercial/; |
| 22:53:29 | kergoth | pfft |
| 22:53:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:53:33 | Wembly | hahaha |
| 22:54:00 | Wembly | hey people are offering gpl'ed software on myzaurus for money. :) |
| 22:54:12 | rikkus | right |
| 22:54:14 | Wembly | no one says you cant charge. |
| 22:54:14 | warmi | kergoth: Open should open .. meaning the source code is available for those who purchase the product :-) |
| 22:54:16 | kergoth | true that. |
| 22:54:24 | kergoth | warmi: yes yes I know, I was being a smartass |
| 22:54:25 | rikkus | I think selling OZ would be a great idea |
| 22:54:26 | kergoth | damn people |
| 22:54:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:54:32 | rikkus | of course, 99% of people won't pay for it |
| 22:54:47 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:54:48 | rikkus | because they're cheap. A Zaurus is very expensive :} |
| 22:55:04 | rikkus | but still, get some free CDs out of it at least :) |
| 22:55:08 | imm | they are selling apps for which i can find the code in every book from John Doe |
| 22:55:36 | warmi | imm: that's called being "smart" |
| 22:55:47 | warmi | heh |
| 22:55:51 | imm | :) |
| 22:56:16 | warmi | on the other hand some of this stuff is outrageously expensive for what it does |
| 22:56:47 | warmi | anyway.... couple 100 K more Zs sold and it will become a profitable market |
| 22:57:32 | imm | warmi: shure, but then we could also use the MS stuff |
| 22:57:33 | warmi | of course, if you want to hack on a nice platform using the best framework toolkit there is ... |
| 22:57:38 | warmi | well, it is right here now |
| 22:57:38 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:58:31 | linux | is there ada for zaurus? |
| 22:58:38 | imm | my boss is willing to sell java apps for mobile phones :) |
| 22:58:49 | fusion94 | ada ?? |
| 22:58:54 | fusion94 | are you on crack ? |
| 22:59:02 | warmi | hehehe |
| 22:59:12 | linux | why? ;-) |
| 22:59:18 | imm | StampCalculator 2000 |
| 23:00:23 | tux_mike | time to do the match detection |
| 23:00:26 | rikkus | linux: I think it should be possible to compile gnu ada for the Z |
| 23:00:43 | linux | I will try to |
| 23:00:47 | imm | if i could find a arm nasm there would be a brainfuck compiler |
| 23:00:48 | rikkus | linux: IIRC it compiles to C as an intermediary phase. I may be wrong... was a long time ago I looked at it. |
| 23:01:18 | rikkus | don't like gnu as ? |
| 23:01:56 | linux | imm: what do you need that for? |
| 23:03:12 | chouimat | linux: to fuck his brain |
| 23:03:16 | BigBoss | both OZ and Opie suffer from a similar problem |
| 23:03:21 | BigBoss | no plan :) |
| 23:03:42 | fusion94 | wtf... |
| 23:03:46 | linux | chouimat: maybe to start Z-warez |
| 23:03:53 | Onyx4|work | lol |
| 23:04:04 | fusion94 | modesto falls under the enhanced sprint pcs network but san francisco doesn't ? |
| 23:04:05 | kergoth | BigBoss: actually thats not correct. have you looked at the Opie 1.0 featureset docs? |
| 23:04:10 | fusion94 | morons |
| 23:04:17 | Wembly | bigboss: what problem would that be? |
| 23:04:17 | ljp | its amazing that the pcm1741 can handle 96/24 audio |
| 23:04:20 | kergoth | BigBoss: it outlines everything to be done prior to the Opie 1.0 release in november, iirc |
| 23:04:34 | BigBoss | kergoth: what is the objective for Opie? What are they going to do with it? That is what I'm talking about |
| 23:04:35 | warmi | BigBoss well, there is a plan .. the problem is that it only exists in the minds of folks like Harleking and Zecke .. there is not much written stuff |
| 23:04:36 | kergoth | ljp: hehe. pcm1741, thats the codec for the headphone output right? god my memory sucks |
| 23:04:40 | BigBoss | it is being done to just do it |
| 23:04:46 | kergoth | BigBoss: ahh, gotcha. |
| 23:04:56 | ljp | cip |
| 23:04:58 | kergoth | BigBoss: like all open source projects, i'm certain it exists to scratch an itch, so to speak |
| 23:04:59 | ljp | chip |
| 23:05:07 | kergoth | yeah, thast what i meant |
| 23:05:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:05:09 | kergoth | long day |
| 23:05:19 | BigBoss | I mean I've talked with a few of you guys about this in the past |
| 23:05:40 | ljp | the plan is really up to TT, tho |
| 23:05:46 | kergoth | tis true |
| 23:05:50 | BigBoss | there is probably some potential for commercialization, but no company is gonna use OZ and Opie, including Sharp, as it stands, and not because of the quality, but because it's a hobby |
| 23:06:03 | ljp | heh quality? |
| 23:06:11 | ljp | like sharp rom has no bugs? |
| 23:06:22 | BigBoss | the quality overall is fine - that is my point |
| 23:06:38 | ljp | its a hobby because no one pays us... yet |
| 23:06:40 | fusion94 | BigBoss: so mr CEO, commercialize it :P |
| 23:06:49 | BigBoss | of course a product roadmap that consisted less of "oh look what tkc did, let's do that" :) would be nice |
| 23:06:51 | Cloudchaser | yeah it very fine, which a few little things yet.. it will be awesome when its done |
| 23:06:58 | kergoth | well, opie has no leader, no structure. that makes it .. different |
| 23:07:03 | BigBoss | sure, but what is anyone going to do with it? |
| 23:07:07 | ljp | we dont really look at what tkc does |
| 23:07:09 | rikkus | BigBoss: use it ? |
| 23:07:22 | BigBoss | joe blow buys a Z - he is likely never gonna know it even exists (Opie) |
| 23:07:29 | BigBoss | ljp: oh come on |
| 23:07:38 | ljp | nam eone thing |
| 23:07:46 | BigBoss | ogg vorbis |
| 23:07:49 | BigBoss | video |
| 23:07:54 | BigBoss | most of the pim stuff |
| 23:07:58 | rikkus | wonders if any OZ/Opie people care at all if the average user uses their stuff |
| 23:08:01 | BigBoss | anyone working on an image viewer? |
| 23:08:02 | ljp | xine has been in pllanning/thinking stage for months |
| 23:08:09 | W|GGL|T | rikkus: prolly not |
| 23:08:14 | treke | BigBoss: warmi is |
| 23:08:21 | Cloudchaser | rikkus and therein lies the problem |
| 23:08:27 | ljp | ogg has been considered since it was integerized |
| 23:08:28 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: it's a problem ? |
| 23:08:32 | BigBoss | yes - it is the same situation with KDE |
| 23:08:32 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 23:08:33 | Cloudchaser | of course it is |
| 23:08:35 | fusion94 | BigBoss: talk to raster when he gets back from New Zealand |
| 23:08:42 | ljp | but my ogg didnt want to license it to me |
| 23:08:48 | fusion94 | BigBoss: i think he;s got an image viewer in the works |
| 23:08:50 | BigBoss | abosulutely different perspective on objective |
| 23:08:53 | ljp | I mean Mr. Ogg |
| 23:08:53 | kergoth | I look forward to evas2 supporting qtopia |
| 23:08:55 | Cloudchaser | no backup program and that's no priority because after all youcan tar the files |
| 23:08:55 | kergoth | thatd be n ifty. |
| 23:09:00 | BigBoss | yes - and we have an image viewer |
| 23:09:01 | treke | the multimedia stuff has been "in the works" since before tkc started releasing zaraus apps |
| 23:09:05 | W|GGL|T | or ftp |
| 23:09:06 | W|GGL|T | bleh |
| 23:09:19 | BigBoss | treke: that would be very hard since we've been releasing apps since last November |
| 23:09:25 | Wembly | evas2? |
| 23:09:32 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: well, like I said, it's not going to be used by the average user. The non-average user knows how to use tar. |
| 23:09:49 | Cloudchaser | right but sharp isn;t listening either |
| 23:09:55 | Cloudchaser | or they blame it on trolltech |
| 23:09:58 | Cloudchaser | or lineo or whatever |
| 23:10:12 | Cloudchaser | but the bottome line is, while its fun, it doesn't get the job done |
| 23:10:21 | warmi | treke: are you working on something for OPIE ? |
| 23:10:21 | treke | BigBoss: No it hasnt |
| 23:10:23 | BigBoss | but this all gets back to what the objective of the project is. I've tried to help with a focus or find a potential |
| 23:10:38 | W|GGL|T | rikkus: i know how to use tar too, but i think syncing would be quicker overall |
| 23:10:46 | BigBoss | treke: since it's my company I know very well when we had apps, and our first 4 apps were out in November |
| 23:10:50 | ljp | plan is improvement on what has been provided |
| 23:10:57 | BigBoss | it's just that no one had a zaurus so we didn't start selling them |
| 23:11:10 | treke | BigBoss: Theres a difference between having them written and releasing them |
| 23:11:43 | BigBoss | treke: we released apps in January. I believe we might have released before Opie started, certainly around the time that OZ started |
| 23:11:54 | BigBoss | and we were handing out our apps to people in December |
| 23:13:11 | BigBoss | now what I think could make a cool product, and I've discussed this with Kergoth - is a *simple* point and click method to build a custom rom |
| 23:13:27 | BigBoss | this way you can get rid of the crap that is in the ROM and load stuff you want in there |
| 23:13:42 | BigBoss | that is a sellable product |
| 23:13:48 | treke | warmi: I've was working on vnc. Been on hold for a couple days, but I need to start back up |
| 23:13:55 | ljp | maybe oz doesnt want to be commercialized |
| 23:13:56 | treke | s/days/weeks |
| 23:14:09 | rikkus | ljp: indeed |
| 23:14:12 | Wembly | ljp: you talk as if its a living thing.... err wait... perhaps it is :) |
| 23:14:18 | ljp | it is |
| 23:14:33 | warmi | I won't touch anything until next week |
| 23:14:43 | warmi | I am rebuilding my entire dev machine |
| 23:14:44 | BigBoss | well since almost all the people associated with OZ and Opie have talked about making money somehow from the efforts, that seems like a false statement |
| 23:15:07 | ljp | well.. kergoth is oz |
| 23:15:16 | Harlekin | BigBoss: ? |
| 23:15:20 | treke | yeah, I somehow broke the dev environment on my laptop |
| 23:15:24 | ljp | opie exists on more than just zaurus |
| 23:15:39 | BigBoss | ljp: yes it does, but you have discussed the commercial possibilities with me as well |
| 23:15:43 | BigBoss | Harlekin: yes? |
| 23:15:50 | ljp | sure I have.. |
| 23:16:01 | Harlekin | ljp: tuxscreen, ipaq, yopy, kaii, psion |
| 23:16:06 | Harlekin | and openzaurus |
| 23:16:14 | ljp | vercel :) |
| 23:16:30 | kergoth | oh! that reminds me, I wonder if theres any tuxscreen's left still |
| 23:16:31 | Harlekin | yes |
| 23:16:33 | kergoth | BZFlag: ping |
| 23:16:34 | Harlekin | ljp: forget that one |
| 23:16:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:16:43 | kergoth | I think the kaii looks pretty sweet |
| 23:16:44 | Harlekin | kergoth: little |
| 23:16:46 | ljp | grrrr. .maybe.. its not dead yet |
| 23:16:48 | Harlekin | kergoth: hurry |
| 23:16:53 | Harlekin | kergoth: except the cpu is craü |
| 23:16:55 | Harlekin | crap |
| 23:16:57 | Harlekin | on kaii |
| 23:17:03 | kergoth | yeah, 160mhz isnt it? |
| 23:17:03 | warmi | Harlekin what is it ? |
| 23:17:06 | BigBoss | yea, I don't know why they picked that chip for the Kaii |
| 23:17:06 | kergoth | its nifty anyway ;-) |
| 23:17:09 | kergoth | and its cheap |
| 23:17:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:17:22 | Harlekin | warmi: what is what? |
| 23:17:23 | warmi | kergoth 160 mhz but it is not arm right ? |
| 23:17:24 | Harlekin | .) |
| 23:17:26 | warmi | Harlekin cpu |
| 23:17:31 | Harlekin | warmi: sh3 |
| 23:17:33 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:17:35 | BigBoss | so we have to recompile for it |
| 23:17:36 | warmi | ah ok |
| 23:17:39 | Harlekin | ah |
| 23:17:41 | BigBoss | if it ever sees the light of day |
| 23:17:41 | Harlekin | and looxx |
| 23:17:42 | Harlekin | loox |
| 23:17:46 | kergoth | loox? |
| 23:17:51 | Harlekin | from siemens |
| 23:17:57 | kergoth | googles |
| 23:18:06 | ljp | and then there's the Opie machine :) |
| 23:18:55 | imm | i could sell my matchmaker *LOL* |
| 23:21:04 | zaurus | is there postfix 4 the zaurus? |
| 23:21:14 | kergoth | zaurus: dear god why? |
| 23:21:46 | zaurus | just curious |
| 23:22:08 | kergoth | you could crosscompile it, sure |
| 23:22:13 | MSpin | LOL |
| 23:22:17 | treke | zaurus: if its an opensource linux app, you can install it on the zaurus |
| 23:22:19 | MSpin | sendmail too?:) |
| 23:22:36 | zaurus | thanks |
| 23:22:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:22:45 | kergoth | MSpin: thats just.. sick |
| 23:23:06 | treke | of course you can also drink boiling cat urine, but I dont know why |
| 23:23:08 | imm | i nead oracle |
| 23:23:10 | treke | youd want to |
| 23:23:56 | MSpin | kergoth: I'm sure I can think of worse |
| 23:24:03 | kergoth | MSpin: dont. |
| 23:24:04 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 23:24:12 | MSpin | but,then again, I know a guy who uses his TiVo as his mailserver:) |
| 23:24:17 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:24:40 | treke | george wants to run kde |
| 23:24:47 | MSpin | I can just see the pic now..the zaurus hangin via cables in a rack....the backup mail server |
| 23:24:55 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:24:57 | Cloudchaser | kergoth, tkc rekall won't install at all on oz |
| 23:25:02 | ljp | that pcm1741 really is overkill on the zaurus |
| 23:25:03 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: whats the error? |
| 23:25:08 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: email it to me if you like |
| 23:25:11 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 23:25:18 | treke | MSpin: http://handhelds.org/cam.html |
| 23:25:22 | kergoth | ljp: they use that.. then use a goddamn buzzer.. jeesus |
| 23:26:59 | MSpin | treke: looks like a scene from the matrix |
| 23:27:07 | kergoth | NeoTron, Neo|Work: ping |
| 23:29:28 | imm | is there a bsd ported to a handheld ? |
| 23:29:42 | ljp | ya.. linux :) |
| 23:29:48 | treke | netbsd runs on one of the jornadas |
| 23:30:13 | MSpin | yup |
| 23:30:40 | chouimat | re |
| 23:30:52 | imm | chouimat: thats was a short date |
| 23:31:28 | chouimat | imm: I'm currently on the phone with her. but my broadband access is here |
| 23:33:24 | imm | chouimat: give here my best regards |
| 23:33:33 | chouimat | imm: he |
| 23:38:17 | Tenchi | any of you guys use the zaurus vnc server ? |
| 23:38:34 | Cloudchaser | i do/did |
| 23:38:40 | jbwiv | good evening everyone... |
| 23:38:47 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 23:38:48 | Tenchi | ev er since i installed it, sometimes my screen gets really fuzzy |
| 23:39:02 | Cloudchaser | your z screen? |
| 23:39:05 | Tenchi | yeah |
| 23:39:13 | Cloudchaser | hmm i never experienced that |
| 23:39:24 | Tenchi | i've installed it a few times before |
| 23:39:32 | Tenchi | but this latest time it's started the fuzziness |
| 23:39:44 | Tenchi | and im wondering if maybe i didnt calibrate it very well or something |
| 23:39:48 | ljp | dont drink so much alcohol :) |
| 23:39:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:40:39 | Cloudchaser | if you didn't calibrate it right your cursor taps would be off or the cursor wouldn't respond at all |
| 23:40:43 | Cloudchaser | shoulnd't make your screen fuzzy |
| 23:40:56 | jbwiv | funny how captain morgans makes qt seem like God's language.... ;P |
| 23:41:02 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:41:08 | Tenchi | oh |
| 23:41:16 | ljp | hahaha |
| 23:41:27 | jbwiv | either has a drinking problem or a qt problem.... |
| 23:41:32 | Cloudchaser | or both |
| 23:41:34 | kergoth | jbwiv: both? |
| 23:41:35 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:41:41 | jbwiv | if the shoe fits... |
| 23:41:45 | jbwiv | ;) |
| 23:41:53 | Tenchi | hmmm |
| 23:42:09 | Tenchi | looks like the screen refresh is messed up or something |
| 23:42:31 | Cloudchaser | uninstall it and see if that fixes the problem |
| 23:42:49 | Tenchi | thing is, it doesnt happen constantly |
| 23:42:52 | Tenchi | seems to happen randomly |
| 23:43:08 | jbwiv | to paraphrase homer simpson: "beer [alcohol/qt]...the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems..." |
| 23:43:10 | Cloudchaser | sharp rom i assume |
| 23:43:18 | Tenchi | esp right after i restart qtopia and it asks for the passcode |
| 23:43:27 | Tenchi | yeah it didnt happen prior to rom 2.38 update either |
| 23:43:39 | Cloudchaser | ah i never used that |
| 23:43:45 | Cloudchaser | like my wireless synch too much |
| 23:44:43 | fusion94 | is away: baseball practice.... |
| 23:45:39 | rikkus | jbwiv: you in .uk ? That episode was on yesterday evening. |
| 23:46:26 | jbwiv | rikkus: nope. but that's one of my favs. that and the whole 'seeing eye dog' episode ;) |
| 23:46:42 | jbwiv | rikkus: I'd like to be in the uk right now... |
| 23:47:56 | chouimat | BigBoss: ping |
| 23:49:38 | warmi | jbvwiv you are in Indiana right ? |
| 23:50:02 | rikkus | wonders why sshd on the Z won't stay working |
| 23:50:48 | chouimat | rikkus: to get you pissed? |
| 23:50:57 | rikkus | perhaps it should be in inetd.conf |
| 23:51:02 | rikkus | chouimat: sounds likely :} |
| 23:51:06 | jbwiv | warmi: nope...atlanta |
| 23:51:20 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: did you get my latest email? |
| 23:51:43 | warmi | wrong nick then :-) |
| 23:52:17 | jbwiv | wha?!?! some hoosier's been using my nick! yankee bastard... |
| 23:52:20 | jbwiv | ;-P |
| 23:52:33 | warmi | actually , not yours but very similar |
| 23:52:48 | jbwiv | whoo...that was a close one. ok |
| 23:52:51 | warmi | he is still using 86 dialup |
| 23:52:59 | jbwiv | poor guy |
| 23:53:17 | warmi | and since you appear to be connected by broadband I thought he finally graduated into dsl or cable .. |
| 23:53:18 | warmi | heh |
| 23:53:29 | warmi | I mean 56 dialup |
| 23:53:39 | jbwiv | I think I'd lose my mind.... |
| 23:53:49 | jbwiv | k |
| 23:53:50 | warmi | well, I am about to test it |
| 23:53:53 | jbwiv | oops |
| 23:53:59 | warmi | I am going to go "dark" for about 3-4 weeks |
| 23:54:04 | jbwiv | warmi: what, 56k? damn.... |
| 23:54:05 | ljp | I wish there was a linux ssh gui |
| 23:54:12 | warmi | moving into a new appartment |
| 23:54:25 | warmi | and won't have any connection until they "reatach" my dsl line |
| 23:54:28 | jbwiv | suggests warmi buy *lots* of Captain Morgan's.... |
| 23:54:39 | Onyx4|work | what USB compact flash reader is the most supported for linux? |
| 23:54:41 | jbwiv | you're going to need it, man. |
| 23:54:50 | ljp | no connection?!? my god! what are you going to do?!? |
| 23:54:54 | warmi | for some reason it will take them 4 weeks despite the fact that I am moving 2 blocks down the street |
| 23:55:08 | ljp | they have to locate the button |
| 23:55:18 | warmi | ljp: I will have connection at work |
| 23:55:25 | warmi | but still .. it will hurt :-) |
| 23:55:31 | ljp | ohhh.. well, thats not so bad |
| 23:55:41 | Tenchi | so how does one go about uninstalling the vnc server from the zaurus ? |
| 23:55:55 | jbwiv | warmi: I would go through serious withdraw |
| 23:55:55 | Onyx4|work | package manager? |
| 23:56:11 | warmi | I quite smoking about 1.5 ago .. |
| 23:56:16 | warmi | I will survive :-) |
| 23:56:21 | warmi | quit even |
| 23:56:29 | jbwiv | 1.5 days? |
| 23:56:53 | Tenchi | heh |
| 23:56:59 | warmi | ops .. 1.5 year ago |
| 23:57:02 | Tenchi | well how do you get list of packages that are installed ? |
| 23:57:11 | jbwiv | quit smoking after 10 years for approx. 2 1/2 years. started again because...well...I like it. |
| 23:57:35 | jbwiv | the wife's going to make me quit again in a week. figure I'd better finish any programming projects now.... |
| 23:57:44 | warmi | I like it too but I have noticed I was having problems walking up the stars etc . |
| 23:57:48 | warmi | and I am only 32 |
| 23:57:49 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:57:51 | jbwiv | lest I be tempted to "rm -fR everything..." |
| 23:58:00 | jbwiv | is 29 |
| 23:58:16 | rikkus | if I quit smoking, I'd have to quit programming too |
| 23:58:19 | ljp | is 14 |
| 23:58:21 | jbwiv | warmi: that's the problem with smoking. So much damned fun...so bad for you... |
| 23:58:30 | jbwiv | rikkus: well put |
| 23:58:42 | jbwiv | rikkus: where in the uk are you? |
| 23:58:45 | warmi | well. maybe not problems walking up the stairs but I was having hard time breathing properly |
| 23:58:48 | rikkus | jbwiv: north east |
| 23:58:52 | warmi | I know .. |
| 23:59:03 | warmi | everything is like that |
| 23:59:05 | jbwiv | cool. been twice now. I love it. |
| 23:59:29 | jbwiv | Wales and Scotland are beautiful. England's just plain cool. the history there is staggering.... |
