| 00:00:03 | kalldrexx | the iso part is what's killing me |
| 00:00:04 | erikd | 3d rendered models! |
| 00:00:12 | erikd | in 20x20 |
| 00:00:13 | kalldrexx | I was thinking of that for the final version |
| 00:00:21 | kalldrexx | taking screenshots of 3d modesl |
| 00:00:21 | kalldrexx | but |
| 00:00:27 | kalldrexx | for the beta, I didn't have time |
| 00:00:31 | kalldrexx | I might for releas |
| 00:00:33 | kalldrexx | then again |
| 00:00:34 | Cloudchaser | i want a nice fun scroller ;0 |
| 00:00:47 | kalldrexx | Cloudchaser: hahah my friend got denied when he asked to do that |
| 00:00:49 | Teax | kalldrexx: did you send the beta? |
| 00:00:53 | Cloudchaser | aww |
| 00:00:55 | Onyx4 | is the color depth 16 or 24 on the Z? |
| 00:01:02 | djk-hw | nasa: return the SanDisk and get the Panasonic. I read about more problems with SanDisk products (SD, CF) than others and the Toshiba (panasonic) was recommended to by Sharp |
| 00:01:05 | kalldrexx | Teax: not yet, i'm going to once I fix this bug, but I cn'at figure out whats wrong with it |
| 00:01:26 | kalldrexx | which means |
| 00:01:39 | kalldrexx | I have a week (plus school and work) to get rid of this bug to get my zaurus =( |
| 00:01:43 | nasa | damn, store only carries scandisk (guess I will have to mail order) |
| 00:02:21 | djk-hw | nasa: http://www.ritzcamera.com for the panasonic |
| 00:02:24 | badl | anyone running a 56k (CF) modem? |
| 00:02:32 | DrBoB | me |
| 00:02:49 | badl | DrBoB: pretec? |
| 00:02:53 | djk-hw | nasa: ritzcamera has stores as well depending on where you are |
| 00:03:00 | DrBoB | I have the Targus |
| 00:03:08 | nasa | I am out in the middle of no where |
| 00:03:17 | Teax | kalldrexx: what's that bug? i can help you fixing it |
| 00:03:18 | DrBoB | bought at Staples |
| 00:03:26 | djk-hw | badl: I have Targus 56k v.90 cf modem works great |
| 00:03:26 | erikd | onyx4: i think it's 32 |
| 00:03:27 | badl | DrBoB: you have URL? |
| 00:03:45 | erikd | will bbl. |
| 00:03:50 | djk-hw | nasa: I called my order in no problems |
| 00:03:52 | erikd | going to pick up the resident evil dvd :) |
| 00:04:03 | badl | djk-hw: DrBoB: i'm just trying to find some1 to supply me one here in NZ... |
| 00:04:06 | nasa | Thelocal staples doesn't carry 128... |
| 00:04:10 | kalldrexx | Teax: i'll love you forever if you can ;) |
| 00:04:23 | DrBoB | nope...url for staples?..that's a google search away |
| 00:04:40 | badl | doing ... |
| 00:04:47 | badl | there |
| 00:04:50 | djk-hw | nasa: 128MB SD is limited in distribution so far. I wish the 256 was better priced |
| 00:04:57 | djk-hw | badl: |
| 00:05:10 | nasa | Is the 256 compatible? |
| 00:05:23 | Teax | kalldrexx: tell me your problem |
| 00:05:24 | DrBoB | Targus is a rebrand of another manufacturer |
| 00:06:01 | badl | djk-hw: DrBoB: that targus is quite big (form factor) compared to the Xircom |
| 00:06:37 | DrBoB | Is is? |
| 00:06:50 | badl | DrBoB: i'll find the link.. hang on |
| 00:07:20 | DrBoB | are the ring tones the same in the usa and nz? |
| 00:07:50 | badl | DrBoB: no... thats a big problem |
| 00:07:51 | djk-hw | badl: not sure about NZ suppliers |
| 00:08:16 | badl | DrBoB: they are the same as the UK, so if i can find a supplier there :) |
| 00:08:55 | djk-hw | badl: that targus was the only I could find and has a built-in flip up jack not familar with the Xircom |
| 00:09:14 | Teax | kalldrexx: ? |
| 00:09:27 | DrBoB | or find a supplier in HK....good prices and it's closer |
| 00:09:42 | badl | djk-hw: DrBoB: here is the link to the Xircom -- http://www.intel.com/network/connectivity/products/xircfm56g.htm |
| 00:09:47 | kalldrexx | Teax: I created my unit class, which derives from QCanvasSprite. I have Q_OBJECT i nthe class declaration and what errors it's giving to me are implicit declaration of function `int connect(...)' which I connect my QTimer to a slot, and x() y() it says I cna't use |
| 00:09:56 | kalldrexx | Teax: sorry my mom is leaving and watned me to do some stuff before she lft |
| 00:10:10 | nasa | djk-hw: thanks for the response -- bbl |
| 00:10:28 | kalldrexx | connect( timer, SIGNAL(timeout()), this, SLOT(Move())); |
| 00:10:41 | kalldrexx | that is the connect command I'm doing |
| 00:11:30 | djk-hw | badl: can't tell have the cable works |
| 00:12:03 | badl | djk-hw: it works like those on PCMCIA cards.. has a small adapter/plug |
| 00:12:36 | Teax | i don't see anything wrong in that |
| 00:12:44 | kalldrexx | Teax: I know that's the problem |
| 00:13:04 | djk-hw | badl: so you need the card and another cable to then connect to the phone line |
| 00:13:06 | Teax | kalldrexx: can you send me the source? |
| 00:13:09 | kalldrexx | yeah |
| 00:13:17 | kalldrexx | let me zip it up for you |
| 00:13:19 | badl | djk-hw: yes |
| 00:13:28 | kalldrexx | Teax: or do you jsut want that one class? |
| 00:13:40 | djk-hw | badl: either would work I have found that the extra cable can frustrate you when you forget at home |
| 00:13:56 | DrBoB | yeah,,,,the xircomm is smaller.....but you have to carry around a dongle to hook it up |
| 00:14:26 | Teax | i just want that one class and the declaration in .h |
| 00:14:35 | DrBoB | the targus modem has an x-jack for RJ11 |
| 00:14:36 | badl | djk-hw: hehe.... i have a little aluminium case which fits the Z and all my accesseries |
| 00:14:36 | kalldrexx | ok |
| 00:14:46 | chouimat|shower | nite everybody |
| 00:15:07 | djk-hw | badl: I look at this way you are connected to a wire so tied to a room to begin with what size matter that point ;-) |
| 00:15:34 | badl | djk-hw: true... |
| 00:15:35 | Teax | kalldrexx: looking at the code |
| 00:15:44 | kalldrexx | Teax: thanks, take as much time as you need :) |
| 00:16:04 | badl | djk-hw: if only we could go wireless everywhere... |
| 00:16:18 | djk-hw | badl: I have a laptop bag that carries very with and wouldn't you know that darn dongle is always some place else at the most inconvient times |
| 00:16:59 | djk-hw | badl: wireless everywhere will happen when we all retire and could care less |
| 00:17:24 | kalldrexx | has anyone here gotten their free zaurus? |
| 00:17:32 | DrBoB | I have the feeling that the money would be better invested in a pair of 802.11B cards tham a modem |
| 00:17:40 | djk-hw | FREE ZAURUS how!?!? |
| 00:17:49 | KallDrexx | lol your abit late djk-hw |
| 00:17:56 | KallDrexx | sharp had a developers challenge |
| 00:18:20 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | KallDrexx: the deadline is friday? |
| 00:18:26 | KallDrexx | if you got accepted to develop an application and got a beta in by 23rd the latest you got a free one |
| 00:18:28 | KallDrexx | chouimatt|Zzzzz: yeah |
| 00:18:31 | djk-hw | oh not quite free I would have to work on something ;-) |
| 00:18:36 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 00:18:41 | KallDrexx | yeah |
| 00:19:15 | KallDrexx | chouimatt|Zzzzz: you in it? |
| 00:19:32 | djk-hw | DrBoB: that depends. I can use the modem on the Z and leave the laptop home when on a trip and still dial in to work or an ISP to check thing wifi does not help there |
| 00:19:56 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | KallDrexx: yes. I'm doing a nesus client |
| 00:20:02 | KallDrexx | nesus? |
| 00:20:05 | Cloudchaser | whats nesus |
| 00:20:06 | djk-hw | DrBoB: also work bans wifi reduce usefulnes |
| 00:20:08 | badl | nesus |
| 00:20:10 | badl | nessus |
| 00:20:13 | Onyx4 | ha, I just found that lame can encode "ABR" at 24/32 kbps to get better audio |
| 00:20:18 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | errr nessus |
| 00:20:23 | djk-hw | nessus.org that would be cool on the Z |
| 00:20:23 | KallDrexx | what's nessus? |
| 00:20:34 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | KallDrexx: network scanner -> www.nessus.org |
| 00:20:36 | djk-hw | security scan tool |
| 00:20:40 | KallDrexx | ahh |
| 00:20:53 | KallDrexx | I would have done an application instead of agame, but I found out about the challenge too late |
| 00:21:04 | djk-hw | checks for vulnerabilities on hosts |
| 00:21:09 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 00:21:10 | Cloudchaser | cool |
| 00:21:14 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | djk-hw: question do you want all the feature of the desktop client or only the standard default? |
| 00:21:24 | TheMasterMind1 | nmap! |
| 00:21:34 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | TheMasterMind1: better |
| 00:21:41 | DrBoB | djk. yeah, I'm stuck in a rural low-tech setting as well...so the modem card is useful to me...but wifi seems so sexy...LOL |
| 00:22:06 | KallDrexx | man wireless service +modem for the zaurus is expensive |
| 00:22:15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:22:17 | TheMasterMind1 | get 802.11 |
| 00:22:30 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: yeah i probably will but I also have to get a card for my current machine |
| 00:22:44 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | KallDrexx: use usb then |
| 00:22:55 | djk-hw | <chouimatt|Zzzz: what do you mean by standard default? I would love to be able to plug into a client network and run a quick scan for them without needing a nessus to access |
| 00:22:55 | KallDrexx | you can connect it up via USB? |
| 00:23:09 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | KallDrexx: yes |
| 00:23:10 | Cloudchaser | we want all the good stuff1 |
| 00:23:21 | KallDrexx | chouimatt|Zzzzz: do you need to buy more equip or no? |
| 00:23:45 | djk-hw | TheasterMind1: wireless only good if you have and access point |
| 00:23:49 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | KallDrexx: I don't think |
| 00:24:18 | KallDrexx | chouimatt|Zzzzz: oh, if i'm going to buy stuff I might just go all out, sicne wireless I can browse the web and such from my bed and while watching tv ;) |
| 00:24:32 | djk-hw | <chouimatt|Zzzz: I got run here do you have nessus working on the Z in some way? |
| 00:24:42 | Onyx4 | there are tons of open wireless AP in major cities |
| 00:24:50 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: wirelss AP? |
| 00:25:00 | Onyx4 | access points |
| 00:25:10 | KallDrexx | really? |
| 00:25:11 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | KallDrexx: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net:/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.dhtml |
| 00:25:17 | Onyx4 | I get internet access almost everywhere I go |
| 00:25:21 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | KallDrexx: .shtml |
| 00:25:26 | KallDrexx | ah thanks |
| 00:25:36 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: heh just with the 802.11 CF? |
| 00:25:36 | Onyx4 | just get kismet and find them :) |
| 00:25:41 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 00:25:42 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | djk-hw: not currently. still finishing the connection class |
| 00:25:46 | Cloudchaser | Onyx4; you do? i never do |
| 00:25:49 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 00:26:11 | Onyx4 | one of the main thing for buying my zaurus is getting to run kismet, then gpsdrive, then movies |
| 00:26:14 | djk-hw | perfect Z options to buy when money is burning a hole in your pocket: 256 or > CF, 128 SD, modem, LAN, wifi, digipower |
| 00:26:36 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | djk-hw: will only support the basic protocol for the beta and without the encryption layer |
| 00:26:38 | badl | djk-hw: digipower? |
| 00:26:54 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: what's kismet? |
| 00:27:04 | Onyx4 | a wireless sniffer |
| 00:27:07 | Cloudchaser | kismet is wireless sniffer |
| 00:27:11 | Onyx4 | detects network available in your area |
| 00:27:24 | KallDrexx | awsome |
| 00:27:25 | Onyx4 | it's awesome www.kismetwireless.net |
| 00:27:32 | djk-hw | badl: digipower is a battery pack for long plane rides or emergency power when away from the sync or power supply |
| 00:27:35 | Onyx4 | there are screenshots of it running on zaurus |
| 00:27:40 | Cloudchaser | i hvne't put that back on since i got oz |
| 00:27:49 | badl | djk-hw: how many hours would it add? |
| 00:27:56 | KallDrexx | what is wifi? |
| 00:28:00 | KallDrexx | the wierless interenet? |
| 00:28:01 | Cloudchaser | 3 full charges |
| 00:28:05 | Onyx4 | wifi=802.11 |
| 00:28:08 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 00:28:09 | KallDrexx | ok |
| 00:28:19 | Onyx4 | just another name |
| 00:28:22 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 00:28:25 | chouimatt|Zzzzz | laterz |
| 00:28:29 | KallDrexx | hw much is that battery pack? |
| 00:28:34 | djk-hw | Onyx4: careful what you do with wifi sniffing the FBI put a notice warning that use of those finding could put in you jail for theft of service |
| 00:28:35 | Teax | KallDrexx: x() and y() aren't QCanvasSprite functions |
| 00:28:37 | Onyx4 | 50$ |
| 00:28:46 | KallDrexx | Teax: arent' they QCanvasItem functions |
| 00:28:57 | Onyx4 | djk-hw, the kismet is passive scanning as opposed to netstumbler |
| 00:29:19 | Cloudchaser | hmm whats netstumbler |
| 00:29:29 | Onyx4 | kismet for windows :) |
| 00:29:38 | djk-hw | badl: it keep me going with music and other stuff for more than four thans I have not exhausted it yet |
| 00:29:47 | Cloudchaser | and thats nto passive? |
| 00:29:48 | badl | djk-hw: nice |
| 00:30:00 | Onyx4 | netstumbler is active, it connects to AP to detect them |
| 00:30:02 | Onyx4 | it's bad |
| 00:30:09 | djk-hw | badl: think of it as a portable power supply |
| 00:30:47 | KallDrexx | So Kismit just passively tries to get wireless access from where you are, and alerts you when you can? |
| 00:30:48 | djk-hw | Onyx4: you can sniff just don't connect and use is the point that the FBI are trying to put out |
| 00:30:55 | badl | djk-hw: so you have all the toys then! |
| 00:30:58 | Onyx4 | oh yes of course |
| 00:31:10 | Cloudchaser | kismet picks signals out of the air and reads them |
| 00:31:10 | djk-hw | badl: haven't done wifi yet but may soon |
| 00:31:11 | Onyx4 | I connect mostly to residential APs, I try to avoid commercial stuff |
| 00:31:17 | Cloudchaser | doesn't try to connect |
| 00:31:53 | Cloudchaser | just tells you what you need to connect if its not secured |
| 00:32:01 | Onyx4 | djk-hw the debate is still going on as to if it's legal or not if you don't hack but just use it for internet |
| 00:32:04 | KallDrexx | Cloudchaser: ahh |
| 00:32:11 | djk-hw | Onyx4: the resident may be just as dangerous especially if it cable not sure who the cable company would charge the theft to thought ;-) |
| 00:32:12 | Onyx4 | nobody yet got in court for that |
| 00:32:29 | Cloudchaser | i think if you receive an address, how can they prosecute/ |
| 00:32:39 | Onyx4 | exactly |
| 00:32:39 | Cloudchaser | if you hard code their address thats a bit different |
| 00:32:43 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: so it's not illegal, but not totally legal |
| 00:33:01 | Onyx4 | my zaurus if it's set to "any" sssid, if I insert my wireless card by mistake in it, it'll connect to the AP it finds and get an address |
| 00:33:03 | Teax | KallDrexx: the QCanvasSprite doens't have signals |
| 00:33:04 | Onyx4 | is that illegal? :) |
| 00:33:17 | KallDrexx | Teax: it doens't? |
| 00:33:29 | Teax | KallDrexx: yes |
| 00:33:33 | Cloudchaser | dunno if its legal, probly not |
| 00:33:41 | Teax | KallDrexx: try QObject::connect |
| 00:33:46 | djk-hw | Onyx4: I don;'t think there is a debate on that the FBI notice this week was pretty clear unauthorize use in any form would be theft just because they were not smart enought to lock it down does not be you can walk through the house eat their food ;-) |
| 00:33:53 | KallDrexx | Teax: ok thanks i'll try it right now |
| 00:34:08 | Onyx4 | oh so there is a new one this week? |
| 00:34:14 | Cloudchaser | but if you listen to their music from outside |
| 00:34:19 | Onyx4 | a new notice? |
| 00:34:19 | Cloudchaser | how can you get in trouble for it ;0 |
| 00:35:15 | djk-hw | I would love to keep going on this and learn from each other but I have to go do some stuff |
| 00:35:36 | Onyx4 | the first thing is that they'd have to catch you |
| 00:35:38 | KallDrexx | Teax: ahhh it worked |
| 00:35:42 | Cloudchaser | if i wanted to keep people off my network i'd protect it |
| 00:35:45 | Onyx4 | and with a pda it's even less noticable |
| 00:35:53 | KallDrexx | Teax: now why cna't I use the x() and y() functions from QCanvasItem since sprite inherits from it? |
| 00:35:56 | Cloudchaser | if somoene wants to get internet access of my ap they can go for it |
| 00:36:53 | KallDrexx | so is it legal or no? |
| 00:37:05 | Cloudchaser | oh probly |
| 00:37:09 | Onyx4 | it's a whole debate |
| 00:37:16 | DrBoB | one reason why I bought the Targus/ambicom modem is it's low power drain (40 mA when active) |
| 00:37:26 | Cloudchaser | but probly hard to prosecute if you don't breach their network |
| 00:37:46 | Onyx4 | it depends on your intend I think, if you don't hack them then it's prolly fine |
| 00:37:49 | Cloudchaser | but they can call it theft of services |
| 00:37:52 | Onyx4 | they won't notice mostly for sure |
| 00:37:59 | Teax | KallDrexx: paste the exact error for x() and y() |
| 00:38:08 | KallDrexx | units.cpp:59: `x' cannot be used as a function |
| 00:38:08 | KallDrexx | units.cpp:59: `y' cannot be used as a function |
| 00:38:13 | Onyx4 | my thinking is that people that aren't smart enough to lock it down, aren't smart enough to even know you used their network |
| 00:38:25 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 00:38:27 | djk-hw | Onyx4: it is a debate and yes they have to catch you I just wanted you to be aware if you were not that the FBI is communicating this issue more |
| 00:38:43 | Onyx4 | yes, I'm even aware that the FBI setup honey pots too |
| 00:38:56 | KallDrexx | honey pots? |
| 00:38:59 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 00:39:08 | Onyx4 | it's a open AP that they try to catch people |
| 00:39:13 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 00:39:18 | KallDrexx | but |
| 00:39:21 | KallDrexx | if it hasn't been made illegal |
| 00:39:22 | djk-hw | the new laws since 9/11 are pretty open to getting in trouble if you trip even without intent |
| 00:39:27 | KallDrexx | can they do anything? |
| 00:39:30 | Teax | KallDrexx: rename the args x1 and y1 |
| 00:39:47 | djk-hw | I personal don't like the direction they are going with our freedoms but.... |
| 00:39:48 | Teax | KallDrexx: in moveto function |
| 00:40:04 | Onyx4 | read the kismet mailing list,there was a whole discussion on it like two weeks ago |
| 00:40:11 | Onyx4 | tons and tons of emails |
| 00:40:13 | KallDrexx | Teax: what args? instead of x()? |
| 00:40:27 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: is there an archive? |
| 00:40:29 | Onyx4 | some security consultant is getting in court for hacking a wireless network |
| 00:40:34 | Onyx4 | yes on the kismet website |
| 00:41:00 | Onyx4 | but he hacked the network vs just using it for surfing and he knocked on their door saying "your wirless network is insecure" |
| 00:41:04 | Onyx4 | so they are sueing him |
| 00:41:05 | Teax | KallDrexx: the args in the moveto function moveto(double x, double y) |
| 00:41:06 | djk-hw | ok, just a friendly caution on trend lightly with accessing open wifi networks |
| 00:41:17 | KallDrexx | Teax: ohhh crap lol |
| 00:41:22 | KallDrexx | Teax: dind't think of that ;) |
| 00:41:42 | Teax | KallDrexx: remove Q_OBJECT from class declaration |
| 00:42:03 | djk-hw | I can't stand it when people try to do good by telling them they need to improve something and instead sue for their stupidity |
| 00:42:04 | KallDrexx | Teax: wouldn't I need that for the slot hto? |
| 00:42:18 | Teax | KallDrexx: or you will get an error compiling the moc file |
| 00:42:42 | djk-hw | ok enough from me this is for the Zaurus I gotta go nice chatting Onyx4 |
| 00:43:17 | Teax | KallDrexx: try compiling with the Q_OBJECT |
| 00:43:28 | Onyx4 | thx |
| 00:44:06 | KallDrexx | Teax: hmm made a change to the x and y to reanme them, now I get an error: units.cpp:29: no matching function for call to `QObject::connect (QTimer *&, const char[11], Unit *, const char[8])' |
| 00:44:13 | Onyx4 | I made a small divx sample with VBR mp3 at 32kbps , would anyone willing to test it on tkcvideo? |
| 00:45:00 | KallDrexx | I would but... don't have a zaurus yet... soon though =) |
| 00:45:13 | Onyx4 | cloudchaser you still here? |
| 00:45:44 | Onyx4 | I compressed the video and it looks pretty good for fitting in a 256mb CF card for 2 hours |
| 00:45:58 | Onyx4 | and the audio with 32kbps VBR is pretty nice compared to fixed bitrate |
| 00:46:07 | Mark | hi guys |
| 00:46:09 | Teax | KallDrexx: did you change only x and y? |
| 00:46:15 | KallDrexx | Teax: yeah |
| 00:46:21 | MarkNovak | hey guys |
| 00:46:22 | KallDrexx | Teax: before the last make |
| 00:46:31 | MarkNovak | I have a bunch of ... linksys wireless compactflash cards 2.4 gigahertz |
| 00:46:34 | MarkNovak | what do they do? |
| 00:46:36 | MarkNovak | how are they used? |
| 00:46:38 | Onyx4 | what do you mean teax? |
| 00:47:40 | MarkNovak | Guys |
| 00:47:41 | MarkNovak | ? |
| 00:48:46 | Teax | KallDrexx: in the make before, without x and y changed, did you get this error? |
| 00:49:01 | KallDrexx | Teax: no... that's the wierd thing. it only gave me problems with my x and y |
| 00:49:25 | Teax | KallDrexx: what's the name of x and y now? |
| 00:49:45 | KallDrexx | Teax: x1, y1 |
| 00:53:51 | Teax | KallDrexx: did you changed the references to x and y into the function |
| 00:54:11 | KallDrexx | void Unit::moveto( double x1, double y1 ) |
| 00:54:11 | KallDrexx | { |
| 00:54:11 | KallDrexx | if ( x() == x1 && y() == y1) |
| 00:54:19 | KallDrexx | all I changed were those x1 and y1's from x and y |
| 00:55:19 | Teax | do you have Q_OBJECT in the class declaration? |
| 00:55:41 | KallDrexx | Teax: tried with and without.. same |
| 00:58:00 | KallDrexx | Teax: scratch that I did get the error before, just dind't notice it |
| 01:01:52 | Teax | KallDrexx: try connect changing the receiver to canvas that inherits qobject |
| 01:04:23 | Teax | do you get an error? |
| 01:04:43 | KallDrexx | to the Canvas? |
| 01:05:23 | Teax | KallDrexx: yes just to see if the problem is in the class QCanvasSprite that doesn't inherits qobject |
| 01:05:41 | KallDrexx | k |
| 01:06:36 | KallDrexx | yeah canvas worked |
| 01:06:48 | KallDrexx | and it compiled |
| 01:10:59 | MarkNovak | hey guys |
| 01:11:10 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 01:11:15 | MarkNovak | Kall |
| 01:11:26 | MarkNovak | do you know anything about wireless compactflash cards? |
| 01:11:52 | KallDrexx | heh sorry, I don't have my zaurus yet... soon tho ;) |
| 01:11:58 | MarkNovak | are you shitting me? |
| 01:12:00 | MarkNovak | no jk |
| 01:12:04 | MarkNovak | are you fixin to win one in that competition? |
| 01:12:08 | KallDrexx | yep |
| 01:12:14 | KallDrexx | almost done with my beta |
| 01:12:19 | MarkNovak | which one are you doing? |
| 01:12:22 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: what about them? |
| 01:12:30 | MarkNovak | what do they do? |
| 01:12:33 | MarkNovak | how do I use them? |
| 01:12:34 | KallDrexx | multiplayer RTS. heh only one that was availbable when I joined |
| 01:12:52 | MarkNovak | Linksys wireless CompactFlash Card 2.4 gigahertz, 802.11b |
| 01:12:52 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: sigh... |
| 01:12:56 | MarkNovak | dont sigh at me |
| 01:13:00 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 01:13:00 | TheMasterMind1 | they run on wireless networks |
| 01:13:04 | TheMasterMind1 | go look up 802.11 |
| 01:13:18 | Teax | KallDrexx: i sent the beta a week ago but i get the mail back because the mailbox is full |
| 01:13:22 | Onyx4 | is there any way I can get Qtopia to shutdown and not restart and go back to just a shell prompt? |
| 01:13:23 | TheMasterMind1 | b in particular |
| 01:13:32 | KallDrexx | Teax: ack that sucks |
| 01:13:35 | MarkNovak | yes onyx.... |
| 01:13:42 | MarkNovak | are you in opie? |
| 01:13:45 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 01:13:50 | MarkNovak | nevermind i dont know what im talking about |
| 01:14:03 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 01:14:06 | Onyx4 | cause when I click on "terminate qtopia" it says "wait 5,4,3,2,1" and restarts |
| 01:14:13 | KallDrexx | hmm anyone else get their zaurus from the competition? |
| 01:14:14 | Onyx4 | if I hit ctrl+c it doesn't abord :) |
| 01:14:23 | MarkNovak | Kall |
| 01:14:33 | KallDrexx | Mark |
| 01:14:38 | MarkNovak | I heard the competition was one big April Fool's joke |
| 01:14:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i wish i'd known about the competition |
| 01:14:42 | MarkNovak | they arent really handing out zauruses! |
| 01:14:51 | MarkNovak | TheMasterMind1: sigh.... |
| 01:14:53 | KallDrexx | haha god your a funny man |
| 01:14:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, too bad its not april |
| 01:14:58 | TheMasterMind1 | dumbass |
| 01:14:58 | KallDrexx | yeah |
| 01:15:02 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 01:15:03 | nasa | Has anyone gotten a sd card with256 Megs running with the Z (5000d) |
| 01:15:05 | MarkNovak | wink wink |
| 01:15:12 | KallDrexx | The whole point of the zaurus is to get more developers developing for the zaurus |
| 01:15:15 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: if it doesn't work, send it to me :0) |
| 01:15:17 | MarkNovak | TheMasterMind1: your so dumb |
| 01:15:26 | KallDrexx | I think i've thought of some nifty little apps I can make to get money with the zaurus |
| 01:15:27 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: yep, you're right, i am |
| 01:15:33 | MarkNovak | Its a good trade, all that software for just a few 5000ds |
| 01:15:36 | MarkNovak | smart move |
| 01:15:39 | MarkNovak | I do declare |
| 01:16:02 | nasa | lol -- first I have to buy one (the 128 scandisk doesn't want to work...) |
| 01:16:16 | nasa | So I plan on returning it... |
| 01:16:23 | KallDrexx | wishes his school had at least one wireless lan card in the computers ;) |
| 01:16:54 | KallDrexx | Teax: so any idea why it won't let me use my unit class for the slot? |
| 01:17:00 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: sandisk? it works on the new 5500 i've heard |
| 01:17:22 | Teax | KallDrexx: because the class doesn't inherits qobject |
| 01:17:41 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 01:17:41 | MarkNovak | TheMasterMind1 doesnt know what hes talking about |
| 01:17:46 | KallDrexx | so any way I can get around this? |
| 01:18:25 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: if we wanted to hear from an asshole, we'd fart |
| 01:18:32 | MarkNovak | laughs |
| 01:18:41 | MarkNovak | laughs at MarkNovak |
| 01:19:00 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: Well, I could be doing something stupid.... But, I format the card as ext2 and then try to install to it -- and qinstall tells me the media doesn't exist |
| 01:19:21 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: yea, the older roms have some problems with many of the sandisk 128megs |
| 01:19:34 | MarkNovak | TheMasterMind1: if we wanted to hear from a loser, we'd... |
| 01:19:37 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
| 01:19:37 | MarkNovak | well... we'd... |
| 01:19:49 | nasa | Yes, but this isn't the old rom: version 1.38 is what I am running |
| 01:20:24 | MarkNovak | the card I use isnt on that list |
| 01:20:45 | MarkNovak | probably because i soldered it myself.... |
| 01:20:48 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: that is old.. the one that it works in is the very latest one for the 5500, which is the 2.3x something |
| 01:21:12 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: ? |
| 01:21:20 | MarkNovak | dont question mark me |
| 01:21:34 | MarkNovak | I made it myself |
| 01:21:38 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd you do that |
| 01:21:58 | Teax | KallDrexx: you can create another class that inherits qobject and have the slot Move and connect to it |
| 01:22:01 | MarkNovak | well you see, im stranded on an island after a 3 hour tour, so I took coconut seeds and bamboo and created it myself |
| 01:22:16 | MarkNovak | it runs great |
| 01:22:49 | Teax | KallDrexx: i'm not sure that is the best way |
| 01:23:01 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: how nice |
| 01:23:11 | MarkNovak | yeah |
| 01:23:39 | MarkNovak | what do I do with all these Zauri? |
| 01:23:43 | MarkNovak | I have like 52 left |
| 01:23:51 | treke|home | MarkNovak: you can give me a few |
| 01:23:52 | Teax | KallDrexx: try friend class QObject in the declaration |
| 01:23:52 | nasa | TheMasterMind1: when I go to more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download.asp the file it downloads is SL5UpdateV138.zip |
| 01:23:58 | nasa | Is that right.... |
| 01:24:00 | MarkNovak | ok treke... |
| 01:24:14 | MarkNovak | Ill need your credit card number and IP adress |
| 01:24:19 | MarkNovak | ;) |
| 01:24:20 | treke|home | hehe |
| 01:24:21 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa: i don't know if it works in that rom or not. i have no idea at all. i've heard that it works in the newest rom for the 5500, not the 5000d |
| 01:24:36 | treke|home | doesnt want a zaurus enough to pay :) |
| 01:24:36 | MarkNovak | nasa, im telling you, he has no idea what hes saying |
| 01:24:45 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: you have 52 zauri? |
| 01:24:46 | nasa | LOL |
| 01:24:51 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 01:25:03 | [DrEvil] | mmmm |
| 01:25:05 | [DrEvil] | Grip |
| 01:25:07 | [DrEvil] | and |
| 01:25:08 | [DrEvil] | Gogo |
| 01:25:16 | [DrEvil] | and Plextor |
| 01:25:20 | [DrEvil] | a winning combo |
| 01:25:22 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: how come |
| 01:25:26 | Teax | KallDrexx: do you get an error? |
| 01:25:37 | MarkNovak | because Sun Microsystems got too many |
| 01:25:40 | MarkNovak | they were a success though |
| 01:25:44 | MarkNovak | but the catch is |
| 01:25:54 | [DrEvil] | *spit* |
| 01:25:55 | [DrEvil] | Sun |
| 01:25:56 | MarkNovak | I have to hand them out to people who will better Sun's economy |
| 01:25:59 | MarkNovak | or some stuff like that |
| 01:26:01 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:26:01 | MarkNovak | GASPS |
| 01:26:09 | TheMasterMind1 | you're not serious are you? |
| 01:26:09 | MarkNovak | why spit on sun? |
| 01:26:14 | [DrEvil] | why not |
| 01:26:14 | MarkNovak | serious as a cow. |
| 01:26:16 | [DrEvil] | they suck |
| 01:26:18 | ][N-Flux | I work at sun |
| 01:26:20 | [DrEvil] | Slowaris |
| 01:26:23 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 01:26:23 | ][N-Flux | but not for sun :) |
| 01:26:25 | MarkNovak | slowaris |
| 01:26:35 | TheMasterMind1 | are cows serious? |
| 01:26:36 | MarkNovak | We invented Java |
| 01:26:42 | [DrEvil] | goody |
| 01:26:49 | MarkNovak | TheMasterMind1: your teling me you've never confronted a cow and found out how serious they are? |
| 01:26:58 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 01:27:00 | TheMasterMind1 | not yet |
| 01:27:15 | Teax | KallDrexx: ? |
| 01:27:17 | ][N-Flux | MarkNovak: zauri here plz :) |
| 01:27:24 | MarkNovak | your in sun? |
| 01:27:35 | MarkNovak | <- Government North |
| 01:27:38 | MarkNovak | what region? |
| 01:27:49 | ][N-Flux | MarkNovak: I work at the Burlington MA |
| 01:27:50 | MarkNovak | you shoulda have gotten one already if your on the east coast of the US |
| 01:27:58 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 01:28:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i want a zaurus.. |
| 01:28:07 | ][N-Flux | I'm an outside contracter |
| 01:28:11 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll buy oracle licenses and make money for sun |
| 01:28:12 | MarkNovak | oh... |
| 01:28:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ;0 |
| 01:28:21 | BoubaKun | is there a hack to get tabs in opera ? |
| 01:28:28 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 01:28:34 | MarkNovak | N-Flux.. so your not an employee? |
| 01:28:40 | [DrEvil] | it's an embedded version |
| 01:28:40 | BoubaKun | doh |
| 01:28:48 | ][N-Flux | MarkNovak: nopers |
| 01:28:50 | MarkNovak | I bet if you came down to Maryland, D.C. youd be able to pick up one |
| 01:28:51 | [DrEvil] | hence it is a subset of the desktip browser |
| 01:28:59 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: where in DC are you? |
| 01:29:04 | MarkNovak | Northern Virginia |
| 01:29:12 | TheMasterMind1 | where in NV then? |
| 01:29:24 | MarkNovak | the northern part |
| 01:29:29 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:29:30 | MarkNovak | Fairfax... Clifton.. |
| 01:29:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 01:29:36 | MarkNovak | your in.... |
| 01:29:37 | TheMasterMind1 | clifton.. |
| 01:29:38 | MarkNovak | springfield |
| 01:29:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:29:47 | TheMasterMind1 | springfield is northern va |
| 01:29:47 | BoubaKun | me want to work at sun |
| 01:29:50 | [DrEvil] | Boom! |
| 01:29:57 | MarkNovak | has to be this region, or near it |
| 01:29:58 | TheMasterMind1 | i go to the annadale area daily |
| 01:30:05 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 01:30:15 | [DrEvil] | P.O.D. |
| 01:30:17 | [DrEvil] | Boom |
| 01:30:19 | TheMasterMind1 | annandale rather |
| 01:30:21 | [DrEvil] | great song |
| 01:30:29 | [DrEvil] | at least this crystal method mix |
| 01:30:47 | MarkNovak | I used to fly choppers up there |
| 01:30:51 | MarkNovak | fly on choppers |
| 01:30:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:30:54 | MarkNovak | and anacostia |
| 01:31:11 | BoubaKun | anyone compiled/found ettercap for zaurus ? |
| 01:31:11 | MarkNovak | back when I was younger |
| 01:31:19 | TheMasterMind1 | BoubaKun: what's that |
| 01:31:26 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: so can i get a zaurus ;) ? |
| 01:31:41 | MarkNovak | if you pleasure me sexually |
| 01:31:42 | MarkNovak | er I mean |
| 01:31:48 | BoubaKun | TheMasterMind1: sniffer/arp poisoning thingie |
| 01:31:48 | TheMasterMind1 | hides |
| 01:31:55 | TheMasterMind1 | BoubaKun: i see |
| 01:31:56 | MarkNovak | no, not unless you were connected to sun somehow |
| 01:31:57 | Teax | KallDrexx: are you there? i find the best solution |
| 01:32:06 | KallDrexx | Teax: sorry needed ot get something to eat |
| 01:32:15 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: i use sun products |
| 01:32:20 | treke|home | MarkNovak: suns give me a stiffy. Is that enough? |
| 01:32:34 | Teax | KallDrexx: in the declaration use public QObject, QCanvasSprite |
| 01:32:34 | TheMasterMind1 | what if i own sun stock? |
| 01:32:43 | MarkNovak | your f'ed |
| 01:32:44 | KallDrexx | Teax: ah ok |
| 01:32:48 | MarkNovak | its like at negative 4 now |
| 01:33:05 | MarkNovak | do you really use sun products? |
| 01:33:05 | treke|home | could be worse... at least it isnt va |
| 01:33:07 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but can i get a zaurus |
| 01:33:12 | MarkNovak | no |
| 01:33:18 | treke|home | Sugar, quote SUN |
| 01:33:19 | Sugar | treke|home: SUN @ aug 16: 36.44 (-0.79 -2.12%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 01:33:21 | Teax | KallDrexx: public QObject, public QCanvasSprite |
| 01:33:26 | treke|home | Sugar, quote LNUX |
| 01:33:27 | Sugar | treke|home: LNUX @ aug 16: 1.25 (-0.28 -18.30%) Bid: -0.14 Ask: -10.07% |
| 01:33:30 | MarkNovak | that cant be right |
| 01:33:37 | MarkNovak | Sugar, quote SUN |
| 01:33:37 | Sugar | MarkNovak: SUN @ aug 16: 36.44 (-0.79 -2.12%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 01:33:39 | MarkNovak | thats not right |
| 01:33:40 | KallDrexx | Teax: public QObject, QCanvasSprite compiled |
| 01:33:49 | prpplague | Sugar, quote CISCO |
| 01:33:49 | Teax | KallDrexx: public QObject, public QCanvasSprite |
| 01:33:49 | Sugar | prpplague: Invalid ticker symbol CISCO. |
| 01:33:50 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: i have solaris cds |
| 01:34:08 | TheMasterMind1 | and i use java |
| 01:34:10 | prpplague | Sugar, quote CSCO |
| 01:34:11 | Sugar | prpplague: CSCO @ aug 16: 14.40 (+0.04 +0.28%) Bid: -0.05 Ask: -0.35% |
| 01:34:15 | MarkNovak | SUn hands them out like candy |
| 01:34:22 | MarkNovak | we frequently use them as frisbees |
| 01:34:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought solaris costed money? |
| 01:34:31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:34:51 | MarkNovak | no |
| 01:34:53 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:34:54 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well then |
| 01:34:55 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: only over 8 cpus iirc |
| 01:35:06 | TheMasterMind1 | no zaurus fer me |
| 01:35:10 | treke|home | Sugar, quote SUNW |
| 01:35:11 | Sugar | treke|home: SUNW @ aug 16: 4.21 (+0.105 +2.56%) Bid: 0.00 Ask: 0.00% |
| 01:35:16 | MarkNovak | HEY |
| 01:35:17 | [DrEvil] | you have to have a Z to chat here |
| 01:35:17 | MarkNovak | sunw |
| 01:35:18 | MarkNovak | ahhh |
| 01:35:20 | MarkNovak | 4 |
| 01:35:21 | MarkNovak | I told you |
| 01:35:27 | treke|home | still beter than than VA :) |
| 01:35:30 | Teax | KallDrexx: it works? |
| 01:35:36 | MarkNovak | whats va? |
| 01:35:41 | TheMasterMind1 | virginia |
| 01:35:42 | KallDrexx | Teax: compiled, let me add code to test movement itself out |
| 01:35:44 | treke|home | VA Linux/VA Software |
| 01:35:44 | TheMasterMind1 | the state you live in? |
| 01:35:52 | MarkNovak | no MORON |
| 01:35:54 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 01:36:01 | Teax | KallDrexx: do you love me now? :)) |
| 01:36:07 | MarkNovak | I love you Teax |
| 01:36:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:36:15 | ][N-Flux | is away: not here... |
| 01:36:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i need a zaurus |
| 01:36:16 | treke|home | their stock price just skyrocketed a few days ago :) |
| 01:36:20 | MarkNovak | buy one |
| 01:36:23 | MarkNovak | there just a few bucks |
| 01:36:29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:36:29 | MarkNovak | hey... I wander if I can resell... nah |
| 01:36:32 | TheMasterMind1 | a few.. like 300 |
| 01:36:53 | KallDrexx | Teax: ohh yeah :))) |
| 01:37:00 | KallDrexx | Teax: what app did you do? |
| 01:37:28 | Teax | MarkNovak: I want only KallDrexx |
| 01:37:34 | Teax | :) |
| 01:37:39 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 01:37:41 | Teax | KallDrexx: drug lookup |
| 01:37:50 | KallDrexx | ahahahah |
| 01:37:51 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: i live in the same state as you... i should get a free zaurus |
| 01:37:53 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 01:37:54 | KallDrexx | teax |
| 01:37:58 | KallDrexx | movement works |
| 01:38:00 | KallDrexx | now I need more help |
| 01:38:06 | MarkNovak | hey guys |
| 01:38:07 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 01:38:12 | MarkNovak | im thinking about making a Zaurus page |
| 01:38:14 | MarkNovak | site |
| 01:38:19 | KallDrexx | Teax: my movement works but he moves behind the other "tiles" |
| 01:38:30 | Teax | KallDrexx: no i must sleep now sorry :) |
| 01:38:31 | MarkNovak | could I host all those download files? Would I need liscences? |
| 01:38:39 | KallDrexx | Teax: hehe ok I'll let you :) |
| 01:39:06 | KallDrexx | Teax: thanks a LOT |
| 01:39:17 | Teax | KallDrexx: send me a smack for a good night! |
| 01:39:32 | KallDrexx | smacks Teax hard :) |
| 01:39:43 | Onyx4 | is lexar 256mb ok with zaurus in general? it's 84$ shipped free on amazon.com |
| 01:39:47 | Onyx4 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000691IQ/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/104-8453454-5929512 |
| 01:39:55 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: get it from buy.com it'll be cheaper there |
| 01:40:08 | TheMasterMind1 | buy.com > amazon.com |
| 01:40:34 | asterick | buy.com is cheaper, and also has free shipping. |
| 01:40:46 | MarkNovak | you dont know what your talking about |
| 01:40:48 | KallDrexx | lol my guy won't stop moving |
| 01:40:51 | Onyx4 | actually no, buy.com is 89$ after mailin+shipping |
| 01:40:54 | Onyx4 | amazon is 84$ total |
| 01:41:00 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 01:41:07 | asterick | amazon tends to be flaky about actually boxing and shipping stuff when you put the order in. |
| 01:41:11 | TheMasterMind1 | buy.com is still better |
| 01:41:15 | TheMasterMind1 | in other respects |
| 01:41:16 | Onyx4 | ok cool |
| 01:41:17 | asterick | I tend to have to wait like 2-3 days on orders just to get SHIPPED. |
| 01:41:19 | Onyx4 | and you tried that card? |
| 01:41:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i would pay the 5 extra and go with buy.com |
| 01:41:33 | TheMasterMind1 | they shipped my stuff the next day |
| 01:41:37 | TheMasterMind1 | with their free shipping thing |
| 01:41:38 | asterick | There is a 128mb sandisk SC card for $66 on buy.com last I checked. |
| 01:41:50 | asterick | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10314237&loc=101 |
| 01:41:52 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a lexar 128 for 68 i think |
| 01:41:55 | asterick | $64, sorry. :) |
| 01:42:01 | Onyx4 | I need 256 for divx movies :) |
| 01:42:17 | MarkNovak | how much is the 512? |
| 01:42:22 | asterick | yep, $66.34 for a lexar SD. |
| 01:42:26 | Onyx4 | didn't sandisk had bunch of problems with compatibility on zaurus |
| 01:42:33 | BigBoss | yes they did |
| 01:42:36 | MarkNovak | goes bam boom off to the moon |
| 01:42:37 | BoubaKun | for prices, check techbargains.com and pricewatch.com |
| 01:42:37 | asterick | Onyx: you can get a 512mb SD cart |
| 01:42:45 | MarkNovak | NO |
| 01:42:47 | MarkNovak | onyx |
| 01:42:53 | MarkNovak | videos dont play well off of sandisk |
| 01:42:54 | MarkNovak | SD |
| 01:42:58 | Onyx4 | right |
| 01:43:03 | asterick | SD has a slow bus. |
| 01:43:07 | asterick | If you want video, I recommend CF. |
| 01:43:14 | asterick | (SD is like 2Mb/sec) |
| 01:43:17 | MarkNovak | thats what im playing Exit WOunds on right now |
| 01:43:19 | MarkNovak | CF 256 |
| 01:43:25 | Onyx4 | yep so CF256 is 89$ on buy.com |
| 01:43:28 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't the zaurus only use 1/4 the available channels of sd card |
| 01:43:55 | asterick | I, unfortunately, can't really feisably use CF storage medium. CF is dedicated to wireless. |
| 01:44:11 | TheMasterMind1 | nfs mount ;0D |
| 01:44:25 | KallDrexx | do all compact flash cards work for the zaurus? |
| 01:44:31 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: 256meg for a movie.. that's pretty crappy |
| 01:44:33 | asterick | If there is a driver, it will work. |
| 01:44:40 | TheMasterMind1 | downloads 1.2 gig vcds |
| 01:44:41 | asterick | Master: You can break it down into halves. |
| 01:44:41 | KallDrexx | awsome |
| 01:45:00 | BoubaKun | KallDrexx, I suggest you take one that is supported by kismet |
| 01:45:13 | KallDrexx | BoubaKun: where is a list of them? |
| 01:45:16 | asterick | I want one of these: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10328673&hdwt=30421&loc=101 |
| 01:45:21 | asterick | Way to pricy though. |
| 01:45:22 | TheMasterMind1 | shit |
| 01:45:24 | BoubaKun | somewere on kismetwireless.net |
| 01:45:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i forgot to check that |
| 01:45:25 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck |
| 01:46:29 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 01:46:48 | TheMasterMind1 | does the socket lowpower wl6000 work with kismet? |
| 01:46:59 | BoubaKun | what vendor ? |
| 01:48:02 | TheMasterMind1 | socket |
| 01:48:09 | TheMasterMind1 | seems its a hermes card |
| 01:49:33 | TheMasterMind1 | its the same card as the symbol |
| 01:49:33 | KallDrexx | QTimer->stop() stops a non-singleshot right? |
| 01:49:43 | asterick | I wonder when the next model of zaurus is due out. |
| 01:49:53 | [DrEvil] | day after last tuesday |
| 01:50:19 | asterick | If only. |
| 01:50:50 | TheMasterMind1 | do the symbol cards work with kismet? |
| 01:51:01 | Onyx4 | if they are prism2 yes, i don't think they are |
| 01:51:22 | cutm | i felt so alone |
| 01:51:26 | cutm | but I know I've always got hope |
| 01:51:27 | Onyx4 | do you need a new driver for the symbol to make them work? |
| 01:51:29 | BoubaKun | symbol works if you get a special driver |
| 01:51:37 | Onyx4 | oh then it doesn't work in kismet |
| 01:51:38 | TheMasterMind1 | works with kismet? |
| 01:51:45 | Onyx4 | it needs a card that works with the existing driver |
| 01:51:53 | TheMasterMind1 | you sure? |
| 01:51:57 | TheMasterMind1 | can't you make it work with pcap? |
| 01:53:06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:53:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i think it works with pcap |
| 01:53:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll have to recompile the kernel with wireless extensions and pcap |
| 01:53:22 | TheMasterMind1 | but that's no biggie |
| 01:53:35 | KallDrexx | you have to recompile the kernel for the zaurus? |
| 01:53:42 | TheMasterMind1 | if stuff doesn't work ;0) |
| 01:53:47 | TheMasterMind1 | that's half the fun with linux |
| 01:53:49 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 01:53:55 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll probably recompile even if it does work |
| 01:53:56 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: yeah but not with the pda ;) |
| 01:54:04 | TheMasterMind1 | just to make sure it only has stuff i want |
| 01:54:09 | TheMasterMind1 | KallDrexx: why not? |
| 01:54:18 | KallDrexx | dunno |
| 01:54:21 | KallDrexx | just seems odd :) |
| 01:54:22 | KallDrexx | then again |
| 01:54:31 | KallDrexx | this is the first pda with linux ;) |
| 01:54:36 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?BuildingROMS |
| 01:55:19 | asterick | Kall: no it is not. ;) I ran linux on my Cassiopeia before the zaurus was out. |
| 01:55:33 | asterick | And I don't think it was the first with linux pack in either. |
| 01:56:14 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 9 hours, 26 seconds ago, saying: i'll try to unpack it manually later [Fri Aug 16 17:55:48 2002] |
| 01:56:14 | MarkNovak | ibot: seen killefiz? |
| 01:56:18 | blk6host | greetings all, i just got one of these puppies (zaurus, and love it) and I'm looking for some help in setting up wireless access to the net... |
| 01:56:23 | MarkNovak | jeeze |
| 01:56:35 | asterick | heh. Wireless seems the topic of conversation, doesn't it. :) |
| 01:56:54 | blk6host | it is for me :) |
| 01:57:02 | asterick | And everyone else for that matter. |
| 01:57:07 | asterick | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?BuildingROMS |
| 01:57:11 | BoubaKun | well I have something different: Anyone installed a C compiler ? |
| 01:57:33 | MarkNovak | meme |
| 01:57:35 | TheMasterMind1 | BoubaKun: there's ipkgs for gcc |
| 01:57:35 | asterick | Bouba: There is a package out there for GCC, lemmie see if I can scrounge it up. |
| 01:57:48 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 01:57:48 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: zsi |
| 01:57:51 | MarkNovak | whats GCC? |
| 01:57:57 | asterick | gak! |
| 01:57:58 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:57:58 | BoubaKun | gcc is a c compiler |
| 01:58:00 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:58:02 | TheMasterMind1 | !!!! |
| 01:58:13 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 01:58:17 | KallDrexx | and guess waht g++ is |
| 01:58:19 | KallDrexx | gasps ;) |
| 01:58:19 | MarkNovak | whys this funny? |
| 01:58:28 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 01:58:31 | asterick | I belive that is the first person I've ever seen running linux that does not know what GCC is. |
| 01:58:35 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 01:58:36 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 01:58:38 | MarkNovak | will someone explain to me what linux is? |
| 01:58:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hahah |
| 01:58:48 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 01:59:08 | blk6host | i can communicate with the wap, ie i can get to the admin screen but i can't get from there to the router my dsl is hooked up to. pointers to where i might look for help? |
| 01:59:15 | asterick | is tkcEditor any good? |
| 01:59:28 | treke|home | MarkNovak: I will |
| 01:59:31 | treke|home | MarkNovak: for a Z |
| 01:59:37 | asterick | I don't feel like paying $15 for something that's crap. But I want something to write python in with syntax highlighting. VIM just seems like it would be a pain. |
| 01:59:41 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 01:59:56 | treke|home | asterick: its a decent editor |
| 02:00:07 | asterick | Worth the $15? I want to do python on the go. |
| 02:00:12 | KallDrexx | are tehre any c++ ide's? |
| 02:00:16 | KallDrexx | that are decent? |
| 02:00:24 | asterick | Kall: look into MiniIDE. |
| 02:00:28 | treke|home | asterick: I guess. Its probably the only syntax highliting editor |
| 02:00:31 | asterick | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=249 |
| 02:00:50 | KallDrexx | asterick: lol i'ts so... basic |
| 02:00:50 | KallDrexx | ;) |
| 02:00:52 | asterick | treke: VIM has it... but the : syntax would probibly destroy me. |
| 02:00:55 | warmi | re |
| 02:01:03 | treke|home | asterick: well vim doesnt count |
| 02:01:10 | asterick | Why not? |
| 02:01:14 | treke|home | emacs has it also, but I dont count it either |
| 02:01:16 | asterick | It had syntax highlighting. :) |
| 02:01:24 | asterick | Is there an emacs for the Z? |
| 02:01:25 | KallDrexx | asterick: what do you think i'm programming in now ;) |
| 02:01:35 | treke|home | asterick: neither are particularly useful on a Zaurus |
| 02:01:40 | asterick | Kall: I make no assumptions of people. |
| 02:01:46 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 02:02:06 | asterick | People tend to be mindless drones that would rather ask a question than answer it themselves. |
| 02:02:13 | asterick | See: Clerks (the movie) |
| 02:02:24 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 02:02:32 | TheMasterMind1 | teach yourself how to write a 'teach yourself in 21 days' book in 21 days |
| 02:02:35 | asterick | treke: Ok, I'll see about getting tkcEditor. |
| 02:02:37 | BoubaKun | tckEditor looks nice |
| 02:02:51 | BoubaKun | but $ |
| 02:02:56 | asterick | It seems kinda excessive to charge $15 for it though. |
| 02:03:17 | [DrEvil] | I like it as an editor |
| 02:03:18 | asterick | Very small viewing area too. |
| 02:03:22 | treke|home | well thats tkc for you. Most everything is 15 |
| 02:03:29 | TheMasterMind1 | warez! |
| 02:03:31 | asterick | If the font was smaller, it would be fine. |
| 02:03:35 | asterick | Tisk. :P |
| 02:03:37 | MarkNovak | did someone say warez? |
| 02:03:47 | MarkNovak | 's ears perk |
| 02:03:52 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 02:03:54 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 02:03:56 | MarkNovak | im joking |
| 02:03:58 | MarkNovak | warez is horrible |
| 02:04:00 | [DrEvil] | uh-huh |
| 02:04:10 | [DrEvil] | I should replay my chatlog with you |
| 02:04:10 | asterick | I wonder if anyone has attempted to port MESA over... :) |
| 02:04:15 | asterick | Software GL would be fun. :) |
| 02:04:17 | [DrEvil] | u, |
| 02:04:19 | [DrEvil] | um |
| 02:04:27 | [DrEvil] | there isn't enough horsepower to do GL |
| 02:04:28 | asterick | Slow as sin, but fun. |
| 02:04:35 | asterick | Dr: Depends on what your doing. |
| 02:04:54 | oGMo | yeah! software GL on the Z! that'll be fast, i'll try that doom3 beta out now ;) |
| 02:04:58 | asterick | GL is intended for scientific representation. It would be perfect for that. |
| 02:05:09 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.buy.com/retail/giftcenter/mywishlist.asp?email=buy@themastermind1.net |
| 02:05:11 | asterick | Not for realtime gaming. |
| 02:05:28 | oGMo | asterick: yeah but it's bad enough on boxes that DO have an fpu ;) |
| 02:05:31 | [DrEvil] | but if it takes it a day to render a sphere... |
| 02:05:35 | [DrEvil] | what's the point |
| 02:05:38 | asterick | TheMasterMind: why would you want a socket 802.11b adapter? Go with netgear. |
| 02:05:43 | asterick | They are the best from what people tell me. |
| 02:05:49 | asterick | like $96 on buy.com too. |
| 02:06:04 | [DrEvil] | I have a socket BT card |
| 02:06:18 | asterick | Dr: actually, rendering a sphere would be realtively easy, depending on the level of detail. |
| 02:06:26 | asterick | 206mhz is more than enough for realtime 3d. |
| 02:06:42 | oGMo | 206MHz with no fpu though |
| 02:06:49 | oGMo | minor issue there :P |
| 02:06:53 | [DrEvil] | it's also ARM |
| 02:06:55 | [DrEvil] | not Intel |
| 02:06:56 | asterick | oGMo: fixed point mathmatics. |
| 02:07:06 | TheMasterMind1 | asterick: the socket's are very low power.. long long battery life. plus, they're small so they don't obstruct the headphone jack |
| 02:07:10 | asterick | Ever played V-Rally 3 for the GBA? |
| 02:07:10 | [DrEvil] | no x86 |
| 02:07:10 | oGMo | asterick: you'd scale integers |
| 02:07:11 | warmi | Quake1 style games should be possible on 206 ARM |
| 02:07:18 | Onyx4 | I bought a netgear ma701 very happy with it |
| 02:07:25 | oGMo | everything would need rewritten but you might get Quake going OK |
| 02:07:25 | Onyx4 | it doesn't block any of the jacks+stylus |
| 02:07:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:07:36 | oGMo | warmi: yeah |
| 02:07:39 | TheMasterMind1 | but socket is lowpower |
| 02:07:39 | oGMo | but not much more than that |
| 02:07:40 | asterick | V-Rally 3 was written for a 16mhz ARM7TDMI, and it produces near PSX style graphics. |
| 02:07:40 | TheMasterMind1 | which = good |
| 02:07:55 | [DrEvil] | Nintendo uses custom ASICs |
| 02:07:57 | oGMo | otoh, 3d sucks, give me more monkeys and pirates ;) |
| 02:08:06 | asterick | Dr: I've written software for the GBA. |
| 02:08:31 | asterick | It uses a standard ARM7TDMI CPU core with with 32k of internal ram + 256k of external (2:2 waitstates) |
| 02:08:31 | oGMo | so has everyone and their cousing, but the GBA has some extra graphics processing power :P |
| 02:08:52 | oGMo | asterick: and a cute little gpu |
| 02:09:01 | asterick | V-Rally was also using the 240x160x8b pixel mapped video mode, so no additional graphics acceleration was supplied. |
| 02:09:20 | [DrEvil] | let him spend his time porting Mesa |
| 02:09:32 | asterick | In addition to this, the GBA only allows 16 bit writes to video ram, so they must do bit packing on top of pixel graphics to simply write to the screen. |
| 02:09:33 | oGMo | hey if it's useful i won't complain ;) |
| 02:09:38 | warmi | http://www.thediscworld.co.uk/vrally3.htm |
| 02:09:42 | asterick | Dr: I'm not going to. I'm just saying it would be fun. ;) |
| 02:09:43 | warmi | pretty amazing for gba |
| 02:10:00 | asterick | warm: I was impressed they pulled that off graphicly and still had descent music. |
| 02:10:19 | warmi | I don't think they can use much of that gpu on gba |
| 02:10:25 | asterick | and the GBA doesn't have a GPU, it has a VPU. there is a diffrence. |
| 02:10:34 | warmi | I thought this particular gpu was mostly for 2d scrolled stuff |
| 02:10:44 | asterick | warm: they used the VPU to produce the alpha effects on the dirt clouds, and the HUD stuff. |
| 02:10:45 | oGMo | hmm |
| 02:10:45 | asterick | But that's it. |
| 02:11:06 | oGMo | i'd have to see it in action, but that looks better than some psx stuff i've seen ;) |
| 02:11:09 | warmi | so everything else is basically CPU based rendering |
| 02:11:19 | asterick | Yes, it is. |
| 02:11:20 | oGMo | although nothing near the same poly count of course |
| 02:11:27 | warmi | I am sure it is fake 2.5 Doom style game |
| 02:11:31 | asterick | oGMo: it was like 3000 polys last I heard. |
| 02:11:34 | asterick | running at 30fms. |
| 02:11:36 | asterick | fps |
| 02:11:42 | warmi | with scaled sprites etc |
| 02:11:51 | oGMo | asterick: yeah |
| 02:11:54 | oGMo | the psx does 300k ;) |
| 02:11:54 | asterick | warm: there is only one sprite that is software rendering. |
| 02:12:02 | asterick | oGMo: poorly. ;) |
| 02:12:09 | oGMo | asterick: granted ;) |
| 02:12:21 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 02:12:21 | MarkNovak | ibot: zsi |
| 02:12:26 | | no worries MarkNovak |
| 02:12:26 | MarkNovak | ibot: thanks |
| 02:12:45 | oGMo | although psx stuff looks amazing if you play it through epsxe |
| 02:12:56 | asterick | I'm simply stating, 12x the clock speed, on top of a much more elaborate instruction set, with less wait states, you should be able to produce 300000 polys a second no problem. |
| 02:12:59 | | TheMasterMind1: excuse me? |
| 02:12:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: you suck |
| 02:13:06 | | TheMasterMind1: what? |
| 02:13:06 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: loser |
| 02:13:27 | | TheMasterMind1: excuse me? |
| 02:13:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: you heard me |
| 02:13:29 | Cloudchaser | hey don't be insulting ibot! |
| 02:13:40 | asterick | The GBA also has a 1-4 wait states per video ram writes, so that makes it even slower. |
| 02:13:43 | | TheMasterMind1 is nothing but a motley-mind accumulation of spongy jizzum. |
| 02:13:43 | oGMo | ibot: insult TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:13:49 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 02:13:53 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 02:13:55 | | ibot is nothing but an half-faced plate of off-color pus. |
| 02:13:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: insult ibot |
| 02:13:59 | oGMo | Cloudchaser: it can defend itself i think ;) |
| 02:14:10 | | ibot is nothing but an half-faced mass of motley-mind rat-farts. |
| 02:14:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: insult ibot |
| 02:14:15 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 02:14:25 | asterick | Enough bot abusage. ;) |
| 02:14:25 | Cloudchaser | hey that game looks nice warmi, that vrally |
| 02:14:42 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 02:14:45 | asterick | The game is very impressive, I recommend purchasing it. |
| 02:14:57 | Onyx4 | which one? |
| 02:14:58 | asterick | Supposedly, that is also an inferior graphics engine to the bluerose engine. |
| 02:14:58 | Cloudchaser | i can't see gameboys.. |
| 02:15:04 | asterick | Onyx: V-Rally. |
| 02:15:07 | Onyx4 | k |
| 02:15:18 | Cloudchaser | i want that game for the z ;) |
| 02:15:29 | MarkNovak | doesnt play gba |
| 02:15:30 | MarkNovak | damn shame |
| 02:15:33 | asterick | Lemmie see if I can dig something up on the bluerose' rendering capibility. |
| 02:15:41 | MarkNovak | they have a game exactly like that for PalmOS |
| 02:15:42 | asterick | I bought one before they made it to the US. :) |
| 02:15:49 | MarkNovak | maybe a palm emulator and that game? |
| 02:15:59 | Cloudchaser | bleh |
| 02:16:24 | Cloudchaser | if i wanted a palm i'd get a palm |
| 02:16:36 | MarkNovak | if you wanted that game youd get a palm emu on your z |
| 02:16:50 | Cloudchaser | i don't want that game |
| 02:17:00 | Cloudchaser | bad enough to run a palm emu |
| 02:17:48 | asterick | I was in the process of remaking the origional Wipeout, got as far as hacking all the model / track formats, perhaps I should write it in C with SDL and port it to the Z, that would be fun. |
| 02:18:05 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 02:18:12 | asterick | I don't think the Z has the control capibilities to play wipeout though... that game takes too much reaction time and buttons. |
| 02:18:17 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 02:19:32 | asterick | Pressing more than 4 keyboard buttons at once would destroy my fingers. |
| 02:19:33 | asterick | http://www.raylight.it/bluerosesdoc.htm |
| 02:19:50 | asterick | there are the bluerose specs... I would think the zaurus could pull off something much better than that. |
| 02:20:36 | MarkNovak | its 206 mghz and it runs half the speed of my palm |
| 02:20:38 | MarkNovak | its ridiculous |
| 02:21:01 | sjohnson | is away: food run. |
| 02:21:02 | Cloudchaser | could you make a nice little side scrolling game for the z? |
| 02:21:15 | MarkNovak | SuperMario |
| 02:21:18 | MarkNovak | on gb emu |
| 02:21:27 | MarkNovak | what is with me and emulators? |
| 02:21:31 | Cloudchaser | why have to use emu? |
| 02:21:38 | asterick | Heh. |
| 02:21:45 | Cloudchaser | surely someone can make one for z without emu |
| 02:21:51 | asterick | probibly |
| 02:22:06 | MarkNovak | its on my todo list |
| 02:22:17 | Cloudchaser | even port some of these; http://icculus.org/lgfaq//gamelist.php |
| 02:23:22 | Cloudchaser | heya warmi...how's things tonight with you? |
| 02:24:11 | asterick | I'm suprised more SDL ports havn't been made. |
| 02:24:35 | Cloudchaser | i would if i knew how ;9 |
| 02:24:38 | MarkNovak | anyone know any other video encoders? |
| 02:24:42 | Cloudchaser | but i don't know how |
| 02:24:55 | asterick | heh. |
| 02:25:04 | asterick | I keep forgetting this isn't a developer channel. |
| 02:25:17 | KallDrexx | it isn't? |
| 02:25:33 | KallDrexx | damn I thought it was |
| 02:25:36 | Cloudchaser | quite a few devleopers here |
| 02:25:39 | asterick | points at the "I don't know how" responces. |
| 02:25:40 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 02:25:40 | KallDrexx | yeah |
| 02:25:54 | Cloudchaser | but its not only developers |
| 02:26:04 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 02:26:17 | asterick | Oh well, not really important. |
| 02:26:36 | asterick | I'm working on my python + pygame project right now, so I don't have time for much else. |
| 02:26:48 | KallDrexx | asterick: what was your question anywY? |
| 02:27:14 | asterick | I don't think I had one. Those were mostly responce to a statement. |
| 02:27:25 | KallDrexx | oh heh |
| 02:27:33 | KallDrexx | tha'ts an original name ;) |
| 02:27:48 | asterick | Anyone else find it mildly pretensious? |
| 02:27:53 | zaurus | my gf is on my pc :( |
| 02:28:05 | asterick | Than how are you typing? |
| 02:28:11 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 02:28:11 | asterick | are you on your gf? |
| 02:28:24 | Cloudchaser | on his z maybe? |
| 02:28:41 | zaurus | just wuz |
| 02:28:44 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 02:28:48 | KallDrexx | is there an irc app for the Z? |
| 02:28:54 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 02:28:58 | Onyx4 | called "zic" |
| 02:29:01 | zaurus | jabber im on it |
| 02:29:04 | MarkNovak | and jabber |
| 02:29:10 | Onyx4 | you use tkcjabber or qtjim? |
| 02:29:15 | zaurus | tkc |
| 02:29:17 | asterick | Welp, I'm going to go home now. Later all. |
| 02:29:20 | Onyx4 | and it works well? |
| 02:29:35 | zaurus | fisrt piece of software i can rememebr buyin |
| 02:29:40 | Cloudchaser | i have tkcjabber.. |
| 02:29:46 | zaurus | works fine. maybe dcc probs |
| 02:29:46 | Cloudchaser | was the first app i bought for z too |
| 02:29:49 | MarkNovak | how do you like it? |
| 02:29:59 | zaurus | first app i bought for anything |
| 02:30:05 | zaurus | i am happy with it |
| 02:30:11 | Cloudchaser | zic is good free irc app, jabber is good for im programs |
| 02:30:16 | zaurus | wish this wireless shit werked citywide |
| 02:30:19 | Cloudchaser | like icq and aim |
| 02:30:57 | zaurus | just got incomin icq. |
| 02:31:04 | zaurus | cant import db |
| 02:31:12 | Onyx4 | so for IRC zic has better interface than jabber? |
| 02:31:16 | MarkNovak | so.. your on icq, but stay on the irc? |
| 02:31:21 | zaurus | y |
| 02:31:45 | zaurus | i got little tabs one says #zaurus and one says person name im chattin with |
| 02:31:55 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 02:32:00 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 02:32:03 | Onyx4 | maybe a dumb question, but in the qtopia environment, how do you do the equivalent of pressing the home key with the stylus? |
| 02:32:08 | KallDrexx | anyone wanna look at my pathetic rts right now? |
| 02:32:09 | zaurus | pls dont tell ne zic is free |
| 02:32:11 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:11:10) |
| 02:32:16 | zaurus | me |
| 02:32:18 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 02:32:29 | KallDrexx | http://kalldrexx.homelinux.net/screenshot.png |
| 02:32:30 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 02:32:39 | zaurus | free? |
| 02:32:40 | KallDrexx | I cna't draw worth crap ;) |
| 02:32:48 | KallDrexx | zaurus: with those graphics... it will be :D |
| 02:32:55 | zaurus | haha |
| 02:33:42 | KallDrexx | besides |
| 02:33:49 | KallDrexx | I have other apps I'm going to try and make money off of |
| 02:33:59 | zaurus | kewl good luck |
| 02:34:03 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 02:34:10 | KallDrexx | I'm making this just to get my free zaurus :D |
| 02:34:10 | zaurus | ill buy |
| 02:34:20 | MarkNovak | drexx |
| 02:34:21 | MarkNovak | which app is that? |
| 02:34:22 | zaurus | as long as its addicting |
| 02:34:31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:34:31 | KallDrexx | zaurus: it will be multiplayer |
| 02:34:36 | zaurus | hehe |
| 02:34:40 | MarkNovak | hey |
| 02:34:44 | MarkNovak | get pixel art for the people |
| 02:34:44 | zaurus | zaurus sucks for video |
| 02:34:53 | KallDrexx | MarkNovak: if I release my ideas for apps now, before I get a chance to make it, someone will take it |
| 02:34:54 | MarkNovak | is that what you were trying to make in that .png? a person? |
| 02:34:59 | MarkNovak | oh ok |
| 02:35:00 | zaurus | so slow i want to break screen |
| 02:35:01 | MarkNovak | sorry |
| 02:35:11 | KallDrexx | lol zaurus |
| 02:35:35 | zaurus | how can i watch xxx mpgs in my car with choppy screen? |
| 02:35:41 | zaurus | hehe |
| 02:35:41 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 02:35:45 | KallDrexx | haha |
| 02:36:03 | KallDrexx | using compact flash? |
| 02:36:16 | zaurus | is it faster off that |
| 02:36:24 | Onyx4 | I guess tkcvideo is what you need |
| 02:36:26 | KallDrexx | so i've heard, what are you using now? |
| 02:36:29 | zaurus | i bought it |
| 02:36:37 | Onyx4 | anyone know about the xine port for Z? |
| 02:36:37 | zaurus | hehe seriously |
| 02:36:48 | zaurus | u want it? |
| 02:36:51 | KallDrexx | zaurus: I havne't gotten my zuarus yets o.. ;) |
| 02:36:53 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 02:36:56 | Onyx4 | I'd love to |
| 02:36:58 | zaurus | onyx |
| 02:37:10 | Onyx4 | just got my zaurus yesterday :) |
| 02:37:10 | KallDrexx | xine? |
| 02:37:16 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 02:37:18 | KallDrexx | man |
| 02:37:20 | KallDrexx | I saw a commercial |
| 02:37:21 | TheMasterMind1 | zaurus: bought what? |
| 02:37:23 | zaurus | ill send o ne sec let me go to my pc then im out but it sux so friggen slow |
| 02:37:28 | Tenchi | A zaurus commercial? :) |
| 02:37:30 | KallDrexx | with the zaurus fully extended it's pretty big |
| 02:37:31 | zaurus | tkc video |
| 02:37:36 | KallDrexx | Tenchi: in a magazine ad whatever |
| 02:37:39 | TheMasterMind1 | zaurus: ooh, hook me up ;0) |
| 02:37:40 | Tenchi | oh |
| 02:37:44 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 02:37:51 | Tenchi | thought you meant teevee |
| 02:37:54 | zaurus | u all can have it |
| 02:37:56 | Cloudchaser | not a good thing to do |
| 02:38:04 | KallDrexx | what is xine? |
| 02:38:06 | zaurus | ok |
| 02:38:10 | Onyx4 | video player |
| 02:38:11 | Onyx4 | free |
| 02:38:12 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 02:38:17 | KallDrexx | good as tkc? |
| 02:38:17 | Onyx4 | xine.sourceforge.net |
| 02:38:22 | Onyx4 | it's not released yet |
| 02:38:28 | Onyx4 | it's supposed to be ported to zaurus |
| 02:38:36 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 02:38:37 | TheMasterMind1 | xine is out.. just not on zaurus |
| 02:38:43 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, there might be a port |
| 02:38:45 | TheMasterMind1 | don't remember |
| 02:38:57 | KallDrexx | ok well |
| 02:39:04 | KallDrexx | I've got a headache and I have work in the morning |
| 02:39:07 | KallDrexx | night all :) |
| 02:40:27 | zaurus | msg me if u want tkc vid |
| 02:40:36 | Cloudchaser | how crappy is that |
| 02:40:50 | Kall-sleeep | ahh warez kick him |
| 02:40:51 | Cloudchaser | to sit in a channel and give away software with the developers in the channel |
| 02:41:07 | Cloudchaser | how bout you go to work monday and work for free/ |
| 02:41:26 | MarkNovak | maybe I will! |
| 02:41:28 | zaurus | not serious |
| 02:41:29 | MarkNovak | just to show you |
| 02:42:41 | Kall-sleeep | what's a cheap 802.11 card for Z? |
| 02:42:45 | zaurus | i was NOT serious! |
| 02:42:56 | MarkNovak | Linksys I think |
| 02:43:02 | Tenchi | there arent that many 802.11 cards that work on the zaurus |
| 02:43:04 | zaurus | i bought it |
| 02:43:23 | Cloudchaser | whatever.. just think about it..when you want help in here..from those same developers |
| 02:43:29 | TheMasterMind1 | there are a lot |
| 02:43:48 | TheMasterMind1 | they eat up battery too |
| 02:44:32 | Kall-sleeep | they do? |
| 02:44:35 | MarkNovak | tenchi |
| 02:44:39 | MarkNovak | what do you mean? |
| 02:44:48 | TheMasterMind1 | unless you get a low power one |
| 02:44:58 | Kall-sleeep | TheMasterMind1: how long can one go with a linksys wireless? |
| 02:45:11 | MarkNovak | I can take this one master |
| 02:45:11 | DrBoB | just sombody write a realaudio/video player for the Z and I'll buy it for sure |
| 02:45:11 | Onyx4 | my friend says 2 hours |
| 02:45:15 | MarkNovak | about 150 feet |
| 02:45:20 | Tenchi | MarkNovak: i mean exactly what i said |
| 02:45:27 | Tenchi | there arent that many 802.11b cards that work on the zaurus |
| 02:45:27 | MarkNovak | oh ok thanks for clarifying |
| 02:45:33 | Kall-sleeep | MarkNovak: I mean power wise |
| 02:45:36 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 02:45:41 | MarkNovak | my bad |
| 02:45:52 | Kall-sleeep | how much are extra battery packs anyway? |
| 02:45:52 | zaurus | cant email |
| 02:45:59 | zaurus | from zaurus |
| 02:46:17 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.trowcom.co.uk/Z-Batt.htm |
| 02:46:22 | TheMasterMind1 | Kall-sleeep: look at that link |
| 02:46:49 | Kall-sleeep | thanks |
| 02:47:03 | oGMo | hmm |
| 02:47:05 | TheMasterMind1 | Tenchi: there are actually quite a few. most of the major ones work |
| 02:47:13 | MarkNovak | yeah I think they all work bud |
| 02:47:19 | oGMo | i've been using my Z for mp3s a lot, without hte backlight, and the battery usage seems pretty nice |
| 02:47:31 | oGMo | ok for incidental listening |
| 02:47:36 | Kall-sleeep | hows the quality? |
| 02:47:43 | TheMasterMind1 | not all, but most |
| 02:47:50 | oGMo | Kall-sleeep: on mp3s? |
| 02:48:29 | Kall-sleeep | yeah |
| 02:48:33 | Kall-sleeep | oh wiat |
| 02:48:35 | Kall-sleeep | you use headphones |
| 02:48:36 | Kall-sleeep | nm |
| 02:48:39 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:48:39 | Kall-sleeep | TheMasterMind1: ack that's not a lot |
| 02:48:43 | TheMasterMind1 | Kall-sleeep: yea.. |
| 02:48:53 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a socket communications low power cf 802.11 card |
| 02:49:00 | oGMo | Kall-sleeep: i use earbuds but |
| 02:49:02 | TheMasterMind1 | very very low power. its about 135 on ebay |
| 02:49:09 | oGMo | same dif |
| 02:49:09 | oGMo | builtin speakers would suck |
| 02:49:26 | Kall-sleeep | TheMasterMind1: that's a lot. I also have to buy one for my comp to make use of it |
| 02:49:39 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:49:58 | Kall-sleeep | TheMasterMind1: how much are extra batteries? |
| 02:50:24 | TheMasterMind1 | Kall-sleeep: $38 |
| 02:50:28 | TheMasterMind1 | but i wouldn't buy one |
| 02:50:36 | Onyx4 | buy an external betterypack |
| 02:50:37 | TheMasterMind1 | sharp is supposed to release a battery with better life |
| 02:50:48 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, or get a digipower 8200 |
| 02:50:52 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 02:50:55 | TheMasterMind1 | external batterypack |
| 02:51:01 | TheMasterMind1 | that's probably the best thing to do |
| 02:51:31 | Kall-sleeep | how much is that? |
| 02:51:44 | Onyx4 | 45 |
| 02:51:58 | Onyx4 | it holds 3 charges |
| 02:52:12 | Kall-sleeep | that's cool |
| 02:52:16 | TheMasterMind1 | so 3x the battery life |
| 02:52:17 | Kall-sleeep | not too expensive |
| 02:52:28 | TheMasterMind1 | though, i would rather just take the Z battery out and use the battery pack |
| 02:52:32 | Kall-sleeep | out of curiosity how do you charge the z battery? |
| 02:52:41 | TheMasterMind1 | so the battery isn't charged/discharged constantly |
| 02:52:46 | Kall-sleeep | TheMasterMind1: i'd keep the original z batter as a backup |
| 02:53:02 | TheMasterMind1 | Kall-sleeep: there's a small adapter plug in the bottom |
| 02:53:08 | Onyx4 | you can't cause you'll lose your sdram |
| 02:53:14 | Onyx4 | eg, all your apps/data |
| 02:53:20 | Kall-sleeep | you will? |
| 02:53:24 | Onyx4 | y |
| 02:53:25 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: what if you use the externel battery pack exclusively |
| 02:53:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 02:53:33 | Onyx4 | it's volatile ram |
| 02:53:36 | Kall-sleeep | hmm |
| 02:53:37 | Kall-sleeep | damn |
| 02:53:43 | Onyx4 | well then maybe sure it never runs out of power |
| 02:53:50 | Onyx4 | if it does then your SOL |
| 02:54:04 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: the backup battery is there for a good reason |
| 02:54:05 | Kall-sleeep | the digithing is rechargable right? |
| 02:54:17 | Onyx4 | y |
| 02:54:26 | Kall-sleeep | how is that rechargable? through the zaurus? |
| 02:54:28 | Onyx4 | but that means you never unplug it from the Z |
| 02:54:37 | Onyx4 | no, thru another charger |
| 02:54:46 | Onyx4 | it's got its own I think |
| 02:55:04 | Kall-sleeep | ahh that's cool |
| 02:55:17 | Kall-sleeep | what do you mean I never unplug it from the z? |
| 02:56:19 | Onyx4 | the minute you unplug it, the z has no power, hence lose it's ram |
| 02:56:47 | Onyx4 | the z doesnt use flash ram, uses volatile ram except for its rom |
| 02:57:04 | Onyx4 | that is if you removed the main battery that is |
| 02:57:20 | Kall-sleeep | Onyx4: even if you have the original Z batter on it |
| 02:57:20 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hmm. i thought the ram was kept with the small backup battery |
| 02:57:21 | Kall-sleeep | oh ok |
| 02:57:35 | sjohnson | Onyx4: Not quit. There is a small backup battery to protect ram during battery changes. |
| 02:57:39 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:57:41 | Onyx4 | there is? |
| 02:57:43 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 02:57:47 | Kall-sleeep | heh newbie ;) |
| 02:57:49 | Onyx4 | ok but it lasts like 5 min? |
| 02:57:50 | TheMasterMind1 | a small one |
| 02:57:53 | DrBoB | yoy have to admit, it's pretty amazing that the Z battery is almost 1 full amp-hour |
| 02:58:25 | DrBoB | I mean the main battety |
| 02:58:26 | sjohnson | Onyx4: IIRC, it will last 24 hours. |
| 02:58:40 | MarkNovak | iirc? |
| 02:58:47 | Onyx4 | ok cool, that's why in the manual they say if your battery is dead, you have 24 hours to charge it b4 losing your data |
| 02:58:57 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 02:59:00 | MarkNovak | I see |
| 02:59:01 | sjohnson | If I ecall corrctly |
| 02:59:12 | sjohnson | If I Recall Corrctly |
| 02:59:34 | Kall-sleeep | wait |
| 02:59:38 | Kall-sleeep | where does the digithing go? |
| 03:00:14 | sjohnson | digithing?!? |
| 03:00:27 | MarkNovak | is that a technical term? |
| 03:00:37 | Kall-sleeep | lol |
| 03:00:48 | Kall-sleeep | digipower |
| 03:00:53 | Kall-sleeep | wehre does it connect to? |
| 03:00:59 | DrBoB | the digipower must hold about E amp hours |
| 03:01:01 | Onyx4 | how big is the 8200? |
| 03:01:58 | mongrel | hey trying to copy over my new startup screen to /opt/QtPalmtop/pics as the instructions say, it tells me that this is a read only filesystem |
| 03:02:08 | Kall-sleeep | Where does it connect to on the Z? |
| 03:02:19 | MarkNovak | mongrel: that sucks |
| 03:02:25 | Onyx4 | yes delete the existing file, it's a symlink |
| 03:02:28 | Onyx4 | then copy it over |
| 03:02:46 | mongrel | Onyx4: delte what? |
| 03:02:53 | Onyx4 | delete Startup_screen.bmp |
| 03:02:59 | Onyx4 | then copy over it |
| 03:03:06 | mongrel | alright |
| 03:03:11 | Onyx4 | or back it up |
| 03:03:12 | erikd | who was the one with the Slick kde icon set? i can't remember the url to that site :) |
| 03:03:22 | erikd | i think it was called slick |
| 03:03:33 | Onyx4 | which file is the background for the qtopia? behind the icons? |
| 03:03:50 | mongrel | Onyx4: cool thanks |
| 03:03:59 | Kall-sleeep | ok well, I'm REALLY going to sleep now ;) |
| 03:04:22 | zaurus | any way to make the screen display brighter its so dark |
| 03:04:23 | Onyx4 | I put a nice chick with a zaurus logo |
| 03:04:29 | Kall-sleeep | lol |
| 03:04:32 | Kall-sleeep | I want that |
| 03:04:44 | mongrel | hehe my Z boots solaris now |
| 03:04:51 | Kall-sleeep | hehe |
| 03:04:56 | Onyx4 | what's the site again mongrel I forgot |
| 03:05:04 | Onyx4 | I got the first cameon picture at the bottom of that site |
| 03:05:08 | mongrel | http://www.mmhart.com/zaurus_on_mmhartcom.htm |
| 03:05:11 | MarkNovak | mongrel |
| 03:05:18 | erikd | oooh, found the site |
| 03:05:18 | TheMasterMind1 | mongrel: sweet |
| 03:05:22 | TheMasterMind1 | though solaris sucks |
| 03:05:26 | MarkNovak | a solaris image? |
| 03:05:31 | MarkNovak | no it doesnt |
| 03:05:37 | erikd | or not |
| 03:05:38 | erikd | BLAH |
| 03:05:39 | erikd | :) |
| 03:05:42 | [DrEvil] | yes it does |
| 03:05:43 | MarkNovak | Solaris is spectacular |
| 03:05:47 | TheMasterMind1 | solaris sucks |
| 03:05:49 | mongrel | MarkNovak: yeah it has a solaris image on that site |
| 03:05:49 | TheMasterMind1 | slowassriss |
| 03:05:55 | [DrEvil] | Slowaris |
| 03:06:08 | MarkNovak | way to add letters boys |
| 03:06:11 | mongrel | Who cares if its good, it has a cool logo :) |
| 03:06:29 | MarkNovak | hell yeah |
| 03:06:35 | MarkNovak | that sun logo is pretty cool too might I add |
| 03:06:47 | [DrEvil] | the old SGI logo was better |
| 03:07:01 | mongrel | [DrEvil]: thats true |
| 03:07:13 | mongrel | but the SGI logo on that site is all pixelated |
| 03:07:43 | [DrEvil] | who cares |
| 03:07:49 | [DrEvil] | I make my own Z bootup screens |
| 03:08:01 | MarkNovak | photoshop |
| 03:08:06 | [DrEvil] | bah |
| 03:08:08 | [DrEvil] | Gimp |
| 03:08:14 | mongrel | [DrEvil]: yeah ill probably end up doing that too |
| 03:08:20 | mongrel | just trying these ones out |
| 03:08:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 03:08:48 | TheMasterMind1 | that last screen is good |
| 03:08:53 | TheMasterMind1 | and that linux never looked so good one |
| 03:10:18 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 03:10:21 | TheMasterMind1 | Caprice = hot |
| 03:11:11 | [DrEvil] | I had a 77 Caprice Classic |
| 03:11:14 | [DrEvil] | it wasn't so hot |
| 03:11:35 | mongrel | hehe |
| 03:12:10 | [DrEvil] | it was a coupe |
| 03:12:20 | [DrEvil] | with a peeling vinyl top |
| 03:12:24 | [DrEvil] | leaked all the time |
| 03:12:30 | [DrEvil] | had ants |
| 03:12:44 | [DrEvil] | the brakes worked when they felt like it |
| 03:13:04 | [DrEvil] | because it leaked, the windows would fog up |
| 03:13:58 | Onyx4 | change you put a background behind the icons in qtopia? |
| 03:14:30 | DrBoB | hehe my cars used to get field mice inside |
| 03:14:55 | TheMasterMind1 | so is tckvideo any good? |
| 03:15:09 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 03:15:13 | [DrEvil] | I never really had to change the oil |
| 03:15:13 | MarkNovak | its allright |
| 03:15:19 | MarkNovak | very handy I was using mplayer prior |
| 03:15:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i've heard it has issues with sound sync? |
| 03:15:20 | [DrEvil] | just kept putting more in it |
| 03:15:26 | TheMasterMind1 | i like mplayer |
| 03:15:30 | MarkNovak | well thats to be expected with divx |
| 03:15:36 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer for linux or some zaurus mplayer? |
| 03:15:39 | MarkNovak | but sound sync is an easy fix |
| 03:15:59 | MarkNovak | zaurus mplayer |
| 03:15:59 | DrBoB | bah...I want a Realaudio/video player |
| 03:16:04 | | well, zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 03:16:04 | MarkNovak | ibot: zsi |
| 03:16:18 | MarkNovak | thats what tkcvideo is |
| 03:16:19 | TheMasterMind1 | DrBoB: hmm. compile mplayer for zaurus |
| 03:16:21 | treke|home | DrBoB: Real has already said probably not |
| 03:16:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ;) |
| 03:16:32 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: Wont work :( |
| 03:16:37 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: whynot? |
| 03:16:40 | MarkNovak | Macromedia Flash is almost on the Z |
| 03:16:46 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: Binary only codecs |
| 03:16:54 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 03:16:54 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 03:16:55 | XXX-XXX | can anyone get gnu boy werkin? |
| 03:17:08 | warmi | XXX-XXX: what's your problem ? |
| 03:17:20 | warmi | I thougth there was a binary ipk available |
| 03:17:33 | warmi | I compiled it from the source and it worked fine for me |
| 03:17:45 | warmi | (no sound though) |
| 03:17:48 | DrBoB | I just want to watch/listen to NASA TV feeds |
| 03:17:52 | XXX-XXX | it does not install properly, i've tried a zillion different things. even emailed dude who wrote code and he responded still cant get it installed |
| 03:17:58 | XXX-XXX | hehe |
| 03:18:08 | warmi | what's wrong ? |
| 03:18:10 | warmi | does it start ? |
| 03:18:12 | warmi | or what ? |
| 03:18:20 | XXX-XXX | well first couple errors were library files missing or something |
| 03:18:27 | XXX-XXX | theni got some incomplete file errors |
| 03:18:28 | warmi | oh , can't get it installed |
| 03:18:29 | XXX-XXX | yea |
| 03:18:30 | warmi | hmm .. |
| 03:18:57 | warmi | uh .. come to think of it, I never tried binary ipk |
| 03:19:04 | XXX-XXX | i copied folders and files to CF also and tried running it and it wouldnt run |
| 03:19:08 | mongrel | XXX-XXX: gnuboy works ok for me but just reeealy slow and the sound sucks |
| 03:19:08 | warmi | so perhaps it is screwed up |
| 03:19:21 | XXX-XXX | i need 2 move to japan |
| 03:19:31 | warmi | mongrel hehe .. I have 2 as fast version but no sound as well |
| 03:19:32 | XXX-XXX | then ill get the shit werkin |
| 03:19:41 | XXX-XXX | fast picture tho? |
| 03:19:58 | mongrel | warmi: a twice as fast version you say? from where? |
| 03:20:00 | DrBoB | realplayer for linux is binary-only and I don't think there is an open source alternative |
| 03:20:06 | warmi | about a month ago , I played with gnuboy source and managed to speed it up 2 time |
| 03:20:07 | treke|home | XXX-XXX: It works rather well for me, but a bit slugish |
| 03:20:21 | mongrel | warmi: you got it posted anywhere? |
| 03:20:22 | warmi | I send the changes to the guy who wrote it but he repliad he was busy with something else |
| 03:20:25 | XXX-XXX | any probs installing? |
| 03:20:29 | warmi | so it never got anywhere |
| 03:20:36 | BoubaKun | anyone figured out how to start a script as an argument while using the konsole? |
| 03:20:41 | warmi | XXX-XXX I compiled it myself .. I never made any ipks out of it |
| 03:20:46 | mongrel | warmi: thats a shame |
| 03:20:57 | XXX-XXX | warmi u still got it? |
| 03:21:21 | warmi | I think I have the source code tree somewhere on my HD .. |
| 03:21:25 | XXX-XXX | hehe |
| 03:21:29 | XXX-XXX | :) |
| 03:21:32 | warmi | perhaps I should make an ipk out of t |
| 03:21:35 | warmi | out of it |
| 03:21:40 | XXX-XXX | hehe |
| 03:21:40 | warmi | and post it |
| 03:21:41 | mongrel | that would be awesome |
| 03:21:41 | XXX-XXX | hook it up |
| 03:21:47 | XXX-XXX | how long does that take/? |
| 03:22:03 | warmi | I don't know |
| 03:22:19 | warmi | I could have it in couple of days I guess |
| 03:22:21 | warmi | posted somewhere |
| 03:22:36 | XXX-XXX | how bout the source code tree? |
| 03:22:42 | XXX-XXX | can u send that? |
| 03:22:45 | XXX-XXX | hehe |
| 03:23:05 | warmi | I guess I could |
| 03:23:07 | XXX-XXX | not like i would know what to do with it but i would have fun trying |
| 03:23:11 | XXX-XXX | cool |
| 03:23:13 | XXX-XXX | thanks |
| 03:23:20 | warmi | one sec |
| 03:23:24 | XXX-XXX | thanks |
| 03:28:19 | warmi | uh ... XXX-XXX it is still a mess .. tons of debug messages etc .. I will make ipkg and post it on http://www.warmi.net/zaurus tommorow or on Monday |
| 03:28:29 | XXX-XXX | hhehe |
| 03:28:30 | XXX-XXX | cool |
| 03:28:31 | warmi | you gonna have to wait two days |
| 03:28:35 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:28:36 | XXX-XXX | sounds AWESOME!!! |
| 03:28:40 | XXX-XXX | i cant wait! |
| 03:28:41 | XXX-XXX | thanks |
| 03:28:54 | warmi | but sounds it still screwed up .. in fact I disabled it because it was weird .. |
| 03:29:11 | warmi | and I know nothing about sound programming so I cannot fix it |
| 03:29:22 | XXX-XXX | dont matter |
| 03:29:25 | XXX-XXX | grafix is plenty |
| 03:29:34 | XXX-XXX | 4me i would just be happy to play a couple games |
| 03:29:40 | warmi | ok .. so check my zaurus site in a day or two |
| 03:29:46 | warmi | I tested it with pokemon silver and gold |
| 03:29:50 | XXX-XXX | coooool i will , MUCHAS GRACIAS |
| 03:35:27 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:35:31 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to be 18+ to do jpda? |
| 03:38:52 | Kall-sleeep | um quick question (took a shower, going to bed in a sec), does the zaurus come with anything to hook up to the comp? |
| 03:39:10 | Onyx4 | a docking station y |
| 03:39:16 | Onyx4 | thru usb |
| 03:39:20 | Kall-sleeep | ah ok |
| 03:39:20 | Kall-sleeep | then |
| 03:39:25 | Kall-sleeep | why would you buy a serial cable? |
| 03:40:34 | Onyx4 | if you have an old comp |
| 03:40:42 | Onyx4 | or want to run a serial device |
| 03:40:45 | Onyx4 | like a GPS |
| 03:41:16 | Kall-sleeep | ahh |
| 03:41:24 | Kall-sleeep | ok |
| 03:41:26 | Kall-sleeep | time for sleep |
| 03:41:29 | Kall-sleeep | talk to you guys tomrorow |
| 03:41:38 | Onyx4 | k |
| 03:42:52 | BoubaKun | anyone got a network connection working on windows via the usb port? |
| 03:43:19 | KillaHurtz | Bought e740 haw ! |
| 03:47:25 | DrBoB | what's e740?? |
| 03:49:49 | DrBoB | hmmmm...that's not that latest model of oversized buttplug is it? |
| 03:50:19 | DrBoB | :-) |
| 03:50:38 | treke|home | DrBoB: yes it is |
| 03:51:37 | DrBoB | well, I'll be dammed...most likely...but I'm willing to wait to find out for sure |
| 03:51:53 | cutm | haha |
| 03:54:25 | DrBoB | bbs ...I gotta go outside and see if I can spot this alleged asteroid . |
| 03:58:14 | wembly | hihihihi? |
| 03:59:50 | TheMasterMind1 | wants his fucking zaurus!!! |
| 03:59:58 | TheMasterMind1 | the e740 eh |
| 04:00:03 | TheMasterMind1 | that looked good |
| 04:00:08 | TheMasterMind1 | cept for the lack of keyboard |
| 04:00:14 | TheMasterMind1 | and the shit called pocketpc that it runs |
| 04:24:58 | Onyx4 | does anyone has a sample divx made for zaurus resolution that I could try, the one I made is real jerky |
| 04:25:07 | Onyx4 | for tkcvideo |
| 04:26:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 04:26:58 | mrluisp | hello |
| 04:26:58 | Onyx4 | hey |
| 04:32:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 04:37:46 | DrBoB | trying out xchat for the first time ..... I've been using Zic on the zaurus up till now |
| 04:37:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:38:10 | DrBoB | but my thumbs got tired..LOL |
| 04:39:21 | DrBoB | I use VectorLinux on my other machines...good distro with all the tools...plus it's only 200 MB fully installed |
| 04:40:48 | kybu | hi |
| 04:41:08 | DrBoB | hiya |
| 04:41:29 | wildwildw | hello |
| 04:41:54 | DrBoB | how many are loogged in using their Zaurus right now |
| 04:42:04 | DrBoB | everyone but me |
| 04:42:10 | DrBoB | ? |
| 04:42:11 | wildwildw | and me |
| 04:43:18 | DrBoB | I'll have to say that IRC is much more pleasing on a full-blown X-windows machine |
| 04:43:52 | wildwildw | the built in z keyboard is nice, but it's a pain to do much typing on |
| 04:43:53 | oGMo | probably few people |
| 04:44:10 | DrBoB | but it's still fun to use the Zaurus once in a while |
| 04:44:18 | oGMo | zic is minimal and not really regularly usable imo |
| 04:44:39 | oGMo | DrBoB: if i had some way i could use the keyboard it'd be a lot better |
| 04:45:00 | oGMo | it'd rock for being out in the middle of nowhere, whipping out your Z and phone, and irc'ing |
| 04:45:11 | DrBoB | well, it's still nice to see someone has gone to the troubble to write a functional IRC client for the Z |
| 04:45:29 | oGMo | i dream of the day when i have constant irc in the HUD of my wearable |
| 04:45:31 | oGMo | ;) |
| 04:45:43 | DrBoB | but things like weblinks etc don't work |
| 04:45:54 | oGMo | when i dream, i can dream inside the network |
| 04:46:07 | DrBoB | resistance is futile.... |
| 04:46:21 | DrBoB | lol |
| 04:46:23 | oGMo | DrBoB: i was thinking more gibson than star trek ;) |
| 04:46:41 | oGMo | actually someone could write a much more full-blown client if they took the time |
| 04:46:47 | oGMo | it's not like hte Z is actually limited or anything ;) |
| 04:47:08 | wildwildw | i doubt many people are doing hard core ircing on their zaurus :) |
| 04:47:14 | oGMo | heck, irssi with everything on this box is only 4 megs |
| 04:47:22 | oGMo | wildwildw: exactly ;) |
| 04:48:06 | DrBoB | I do find the keyboard on the Z limiting... I would be willing to carry around |
| 04:48:34 | DrBoB | a device the size of the HP200LX because that's about the smallest a |
| 04:48:42 | wildwildw | i do prefer it to the character recognition at least |
| 04:48:45 | DrBoB | really functional keyboard can be |
| 04:48:48 | wildwildw | my handwriting is crap |
| 04:49:03 | oGMo | DrBoB: the z isn't meant for that sort of thing though |
| 04:49:23 | oGMo | well |
| 04:49:33 | oGMo | i guess i can see it for taking notes, but a laptop would still be better |
| 04:49:46 | oGMo | if they'd get one of those keyboards working... |
| 04:50:01 | DrBoB | back in the day, I used the HP200LX for everything..... online and off.. but the OS kept getting in the way |
| 04:50:30 | DrBoB | plus it was limited to CGA graphics |
| 04:50:36 | oGMo | d'oh. heh. |
| 04:50:49 | oGMo | well, linux on the z rocks my socks |
| 04:50:52 | Onyx4 | anyone have a small <10meg divx for zaurus I can test with? mine skips a lot |
| 04:51:09 | oGMo | Onyx4: are you playing it out of ram or off cf? |
| 04:51:16 | Onyx4 | I tried both |
| 04:51:20 | oGMo | is almost suprised it plays at all |
| 04:51:33 | Onyx4 | it's 320x240 at 250kbit , with sound at 24kbps |
| 04:51:43 | Onyx4 | I did it with virtualdub and divx5 |
| 04:51:44 | oGMo | hrmm |
| 04:51:59 | oGMo | i dunno what's best for the z |
| 04:52:10 | oGMo | you might try a lower bitrate, might not hurt at that resolution |
| 04:52:36 | Onyx4 | the smaller depth is 24, but the Z has 16 so that's kind of weird |
| 04:52:42 | oGMo | 700 is decent-quality for the low end at like 640, so divide that in 4 |
| 04:56:45 | Onyx4 | audio is still 16 bit right not 8 bit? |
| 04:57:09 | Onyx4 | 22.05/16/mono right? |
| 04:58:09 | DrBoB | Ya got me |
| 04:58:14 | Onyx4 | :) |
| 04:59:09 | DrBoB | I'm still trying to adjust to these new fangled screens with color and all |
| 04:59:33 | DrBoB | LOL ... |
| 05:00:36 | DrBoB | yep.... mighty fancy |
| 05:04:02 | Onyx4 | ok I tried reducing both bitrate and size to 240x180 now it works |
| 05:04:06 | Onyx4 | but it's very blocky the video |
| 05:04:14 | Onyx4 | so I'll try to just lower bitrate a bit and not the video |
| 05:07:38 | Onyx4 | is CF access faster than RAM? |
| 05:07:45 | oGMo | no :) |
| 05:07:55 | Onyx4 | ok cause im testing from ram right now |
| 05:08:29 | Onyx4 | i reduced the video bitrate back a bit and kept the same res 320x240 and now it's not too bad, a bit jerky but at least audio doesn't skip |
| 05:08:51 | oGMo | the z really isn't ideal for movies ;) |
| 05:09:32 | Onyx4 | :( |
| 05:12:26 | Onyx4 | yeah 200 mhz isn't a lot to play divx |
| 05:14:23 | DrBoB | yep, nothing worse than Pr0n videos with bad sondtracks |
| 05:16:24 | Onyx4 | lol |
| 05:16:32 | codemnky | weee |
| 05:16:55 | DrBoB | howdy yer monkeyness |
| 05:17:24 | codemnky | i have a pain in my zarus |
| 05:17:40 | DrBoB | lucky you |
| 05:17:55 | codemnky | you have not a Z |
| 05:18:39 | DrBoB | this is the first time i've used xchat on this channel ...up till now I've been using zic on my Z |
| 05:18:59 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 05:19:26 | codemnky | heh |
| 05:19:37 | codemnky | i just started up Jabber |
| 05:19:38 | DrBoB | but my thumbs got exhausted and I broke down and fired up my Toshiba Libretto |
| 05:19:39 | codemnky | on the Z |
| 05:19:53 | codemnky | you use openZ |
| 05:20:32 | DrBoB | will jabber do ICQ? |
| 05:21:16 | DrBoB | or is it strictly IM ? |
| 05:21:28 | Onyx4 | it's icq+aim+msn+yahoo |
| 05:21:33 | Onyx4 | real cool product |
| 05:21:59 | DrBoB | hmmmmm...I might have to try that sometime |
| 05:22:07 | ][N-Flux | is away: sleep is for the weak, guess i need to work out... |
| 05:22:52 | DrBoB | BTW: Have you tried out DOOM on the Z yet |
| 05:22:54 | DrBoB | ?? |
| 05:23:29 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 05:23:34 | Onyx4 | im not interested by games much |
| 05:24:03 | codemnky | i'm back |
| 05:24:05 | codemnky | yes |
| 05:24:18 | codemnky | it will do ICQ, AIM, YAHOO, MSN, IRC |
| 05:24:24 | DrBoB | Still, it is fun to fire up good old Doom and shoot a few monsters..the Z port |
| 05:24:35 | DrBoB | is pretty nice |
| 05:24:40 | codemnky | i have'nt got that working yes |
| 05:24:42 | codemnky | yet |
| 05:24:57 | codemnky | doom |
| 05:25:46 | DrBoB | ya gotta download like4 different lib ipkg files and the doom itself and a sample wad file |
| 05:26:25 | DrBoB | the libs and doom takes up about 2 MB and the demo wad is about 8 MB |
| 05:27:28 | codemnky | you use openZ? |
| 05:27:37 | DrBoB | it lacks the cheezy music,,,but all the gorey sound effects are there |
| 05:28:14 | DrBoB | me? |
| 05:28:41 | codemnky | yep |
| 05:28:53 | DrBoB | I'mjust using the Sharp ROM (2.3x) right now |
| 05:29:04 | codemnky | ok |
| 05:29:09 | codemnky | heard of openzaurus |
| 05:29:13 | codemnky | it's sorta neat |
| 05:29:39 | DrBoB | yes.. but I haven't worked up the nerve yet to do the changeover |
| 05:29:49 | codemnky | lots of nift changes and improvments |
| 05:29:54 | codemnky | nifty |
| 05:30:34 | DrBoB | can it handle SD cards? |
| 05:30:38 | codemnky | i finally got pppoe working on my Z |
| 05:30:40 | codemnky | yep |
| 05:31:13 | codemnky | i think i've flashed it 50 times trying to get it right |
| 05:31:43 | DrBoB | cool....pppoe...now you are ready for broadband fun |
| 05:32:46 | DrBoB | the only thing I miss with the Z is streaming realvideo of NASA TV |
| 05:33:02 | codemnky | why is it missing |
| 05:33:28 | Onyx4 | if you screw up your rom update, can you still get it back using the compact flash method? |
| 05:33:39 | Onyx4 | or the Z is hosed |
| 05:33:43 | DrBoB | real video only releases a BINARY of it's player for x86 |
| 05:34:17 | Onyx4 | mplayer can play realvideo |
| 05:34:30 | Onyx4 | in the latest version |
| 05:34:32 | codemnky | i messed mine up and i had to get a flash card reader, hook it up to my pc download a good image and reflash |
| 05:34:36 | Onyx4 | they probably did their own source :) |
| 05:35:00 | Onyx4 | ok I have a pcmcia->flash adapter for my laptop so at least I could work around it that way |
| 05:35:07 | Onyx4 | I was just hoping that it would still work at least using that method |
| 05:35:42 | Onyx4 | i dont know if I should upgrade from 2.37 to 2.38 |
| 05:36:30 | Onyx4 | the tricky part is to get a fat16 filesystem setup |
| 05:36:30 | DrBoB | there isn't anything significant changed unless you use sandisk SD cards |
| 05:36:49 | Onyx4 | can you format fat16 under linux? |
| 05:37:13 | DrBoB | vfat |
| 05:37:20 | Onyx4 | vfat is ok for flashing? |
| 05:37:25 | codemnky | yes |
| 05:37:33 | codemnky | you can format fat16 under linux |
| 05:37:45 | Onyx4 | how? |
| 05:37:47 | codemnky | or any other fs except ntfs i think |
| 05:37:58 | DrBoB | I think it's mkfs-vfat on the Z |
| 05:38:05 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 05:38:11 | codemnky | man mkfs |
| 05:38:21 | Onyx4 | but vfat is different from fat16, the Z says for flashing you need fat16 |
| 05:38:32 | Onyx4 | but maybe it works with vfat too |
| 05:38:55 | DrBoB | I think it is the same thing |
| 05:39:09 | Onyx4 | there are two mkfs different, one is mkfs.vfat other is mkfs.msdos |
| 05:39:18 | DrBoB | or iis vfat fat32? |
| 05:39:26 | codemnky | i use vfat |
| 05:39:30 | Onyx4 | ok cool |
| 05:39:35 | Onyx4 | good to know |
| 05:39:43 | codemnky | but i'm not an expert |
| 05:39:46 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 05:39:50 | codemnky | just a tinker'er |
| 05:40:03 | Onyx4 | I just want to make sure before I update my rom if I screw it up I know the restore procedure |
| 05:40:14 | codemnky | you can always flash back |
| 05:40:17 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 05:40:37 | codemnky | just need to have the rom image on the CF card |
| 05:40:39 | codemnky | pop it in |
| 05:40:56 | codemnky | push C and D at the same time while pushing in the full reset button |
| 05:40:58 | Onyx4 | the file needs to be called OSPACK? |
| 05:41:09 | codemnky | power cord needs to be in |
| 05:41:16 | codemnky | hmm |
| 05:42:06 | Onyx4 | , so if I do a full backup on CF, then full reset update my rom, then restore backup, everything will be back as it was? all apps, settings , documents? |
| 05:42:42 | codemnky | hmmm |
| 05:42:45 | codemnky | thinking |
| 05:42:57 | DrBoB | OZ doesn't include the Hamcom apps |
| 05:43:16 | DrBoB | or Opera either |
| 05:43:27 | Onyx4 | I just want to update to 2.38 |
| 05:43:35 | Onyx4 | but I dont have enough room, so I need to backup b4 |
| 05:43:40 | Onyx4 | it needs 16 meg of free space |
| 05:43:44 | codemnky | Oz is bare bones |
| 05:43:49 | codemnky | you might not like it |
| 05:44:06 | codemnky | it has neat things like a writeable /root |
| 05:44:31 | zactem | oz use jffs2 |
| 05:44:39 | Onyx4 | what is a good place to get X11 for the z? |
| 05:44:53 | DrBoB | I didn't use the CF method..I backed up to SD then reflashed via my cradle on my desktopbox (Win200/intellisynch) |
| 05:44:55 | zactem | hmm,,, cf |
| 05:46:49 | Onyx4 | is the X11 installation automated, where it'll run qtopia inside X after installing it |
| 05:46:59 | DrBoB | because Sharp has made nice windoze idiot-proof reflashing available |
| 05:47:20 | DrBoB | for dunderheads like myself |
| 05:47:25 | Onyx4 | yeah that method needs 16 meg of free space tough |
| 05:47:40 | Onyx4 | enough to copy the rom to ram completely |
| 05:47:48 | Onyx4 | before erasing the real rom |
| 05:48:17 | Onyx4 | I wonder if xmms would work |
| 05:48:22 | Onyx4 | the mp3 player sucks on it |
| 05:48:24 | DrBoB | no prob ...backup...then delete all your addin apps...then flash...then restore |
| 05:48:34 | Onyx4 | ok that's what I wanted to know |
| 05:49:38 | Onyx4 | do you know how to change the bg image behind the icons in qtopia? |
| 05:49:47 | Onyx4 | i've seen screenshot with a different image |
| 05:51:02 | DrBoB | I'm told that the qtopia background is hard-coded in the ROM and can't be changed easily |
| 05:51:13 | Onyx4 | ok i've changed my startup screen |
| 05:51:30 | Onyx4 | but most files are just symlinks to the rom |
| 05:51:37 | DrBoB | that screenshot was probably of an OZ zaurus |
| 05:51:39 | Onyx4 | I've got a nice chick when it boots up |
| 05:52:24 | DrBoB | I would change mine, but I rarely need to reboot the Z.... |
| 05:52:45 | DrBoB | soI would never get to see the screen |
| 05:53:02 | Onyx4 | true |
| 05:54:06 | DrBoB | I have been getting trouble from the Rotation utility....it doesn't want to quit..then I have to reboot toget it to cclear off |
| 05:54:23 | Onyx4 | what does this rotation utility do? |
| 05:54:46 | DrBoB | it will re-render the screen in different orientations |
| 05:54:53 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 05:55:11 | DrBoB | like sideways...good for reading webpages |
| 05:55:24 | DrBoB | or reading pdf files |
| 05:55:34 | Onyx4 | but it's buggy a bit? |
| 05:56:25 | DrBoB | yes.. every since flashing 2.38 ROM...ithas failed to exit properly |
| 05:56:52 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 05:57:00 | DrBoB | once It rendered the screen of qtopia itself sideways..that was cool |
| 05:57:02 | Onyx4 | maybe ill try that, it sounds neat |
| 05:57:21 | Onyx4 | you decide which applications you want rotated? |
| 05:57:39 | DrBoB | the toolbar was along the left edge of the screen... |
| 05:58:11 | DrBoB | normally, that was the case...I'll have to check for a new version of the rotation utility |
| 06:00:12 | DrBoB | but for now, it rotates the app you select.... you close that app and next layer gets rotated even if you kill the rotation utility |
| 06:01:03 | codemnky | i'm back, damn mysql |
| 06:01:10 | DrBoB | if you reboot qtopia ... it roatates qtopia ..untill you reboot linux |
| 06:03:13 | DrBoB | ahhhahaaha! Original starwars is showing on local TV right now...what a hoot |
| 06:04:08 | zactem | not on Z? |
| 06:04:14 | zactem | hehehe |
| 06:14:34 | wembly | herm. |
| 06:14:38 | wembly | ponders where kergoth is... |
| 06:52:31 | Wembly | hihi? |
| 06:53:56 | XavierXeon | hoho |
| 07:04:37 | tarqen | what does prefix mean when installing files on a linux box like prefix/lib/pkg-config |
| 07:05:57 | XavierXeon | prefix is the directory where the type of file belongs |
| 07:07:15 | tarqen | when you dl src code onto your comp what dir do you usually untar them to? |
| 07:08:27 | XavierXeon | depends on how your computer is organized. i download kernel stuff to /usr/src and app code to ~/srd |
| 07:10:12 | tarqen | where do you personally put your .pc files? |
| 07:11:46 | XavierXeon | i am not aware of having any *.pc files |
| 07:13:22 | XavierXeon | what distro do you use ? |
| 07:14:14 | tarqen | debian |
| 07:14:40 | XavierXeon | cant help you there |
| 07:16:52 | XavierXeon | dont know much about debian |
| 07:17:12 | tarqen | heh what do you use? |
| 07:17:38 | XavierXeon | currently suse 8.0 ( i am lazy ) |
| 07:18:36 | tarqen | I am new...=0 |
| 07:18:48 | tarqen | going to try and stay away from using a desktop....and just stick with the window manager |
| 07:19:35 | XavierXeon | how do you want to use a windowmanager without a desktop ? |
| 07:20:31 | tarqen | just didn't install gnome or kde |
| 07:21:19 | XavierXeon | then what do you use that is not a desktop but needs a windowmanager ? |
| 07:22:28 | tarqen | X I suppose would be the correct answer... I dunno like I said I am quite new to a lot of this (lazier than you I still have windows partitions =) ) |
| 07:23:10 | warmi | killefiz: are you around ? |
| 07:23:29 | XavierXeon | to show anything on x you need a desktop. fvwm, icewm and blackbox are also desktops as far as i know |
| 07:23:51 | killefiz | warmi: yes |
| 07:23:54 | tarqen | thought blackbox was a windows man |
| 07:24:00 | tarqen | rather than a desktop |
| 07:25:03 | XavierXeon | as far as i know a windowmanager is the thing which places windows on a desktop. but i have not bothered to really learn the difference. |
| 07:29:07 | tarqen | XavierXeon you do some dev for the zaurus don't you? |
| 07:29:19 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 07:29:35 | tarqen | what are some of the things you have releaseD? |
| 07:30:53 | XavierXeon | sysinfo hack, busybox installer, gcc cramfs, konqueror bokmark starter,cppview (alpha) and im working on iconedit atm |
| 07:34:08 | tarqen | wow |
| 07:34:24 | tarqen | big guy in the community |
| 07:35:05 | XavierXeon | that is not for me to deceide ;-) |
| 07:35:48 | tarqen | =) |
| 07:36:01 | tarqen | doing anything for the zaurus challenge? |
| 07:36:19 | XavierXeon | is pondering about how to best draw an ellipse in non-polar coordinates |
| 07:36:42 | tarqen | hm |
| 07:36:45 | XavierXeon | no. nothing for he challange. i just do stuff i want. |
| 07:37:00 | tarqen | nice |
| 07:39:04 | tarqen | have you ever run x on the z |
| 07:40:35 | warmi | XavierXeon you can't draw ellipse in polar coordinates :-) |
| 07:40:50 | warmi | as far as I know QPainter accepts only cartesian |
| 07:40:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 07:41:24 | XavierXeon | warmi: that is exaclty my problem :) even though i use QCanvas |
| 07:42:34 | warmi | (r.cos t, r.sin t). |
| 07:42:47 | warmi | but I guess you are trying to avoid that |
| 07:43:12 | XavierXeon | i will have to settle for something like x*x+y*y=r*r for a circle |
| 07:43:13 | warmi | anyway ... I got to go |
| 07:43:19 | XavierXeon | see ya later |
| 07:43:22 | warmi | see you later folks |
| 07:45:40 | tarqen | im out as well, nice talking to you XavierXeon |
| 07:46:23 | XavierXeon | np |
| 08:40:45 | mosen | i just bought my zaurus! yay!!! :) |
| 08:41:18 | XavierXeon | congrats |
| 08:41:36 | mosen | hehe thanks |
| 08:41:39 | mosen | its great |
| 08:41:50 | XavierXeon | i know ;-) |
| 08:41:53 | mosen | although the cradle aint working yet because my mobo is being funny about the usb |
| 08:42:20 | XavierXeon | os of compu ? |
| 08:42:27 | mosen | 98 |
| 08:43:11 | XavierXeon | (hint) if you want to stick with windows get a working one (win2000) |
| 08:43:26 | mosen | hehe |
| 08:44:17 | XavierXeon | no honestly the NT win version (nearly) never crash the whole computer |
| 08:44:37 | mosen | im just having probs with my motherboard usb driver thats all |
| 08:46:33 | mosen | the Z itself is great |
| 08:46:46 | mosen | only problem i have to install the terminal app myself hehe |
| 08:47:25 | XavierXeon | yeah that was not very nice of sharp not to include the termianl on the Z |
| 08:48:19 | XavierXeon | get the opie embeddedkonsole. its much better than the one provided on the cd |
| 08:48:49 | mosen | ok |
| 08:50:11 | mosen | do you use the QT desktop or OZ stuff? |
| 08:50:23 | XavierXeon | what do you mean ? |
| 08:51:00 | mosen | openzaurus? |
| 08:52:27 | XavierXeon | i mean : do you want to transfer oz stuff to the Z using qtdesktop ? |
| 08:52:52 | mosen | no |
| 08:52:59 | mosen | i am asking you personally |
| 08:53:07 | mosen | if you use oz |
| 08:54:05 | XavierXeon | i am testing each release what it can do. doing a comlete backup on oz is much harder than on the sharp rom since ROM is writable |
| 08:54:25 | mosen | yah |
| 08:54:40 | Onyx4 | heya |
| 08:55:21 | XavierXeon | and i am really paranoid :) so i do regular backups |
| 08:55:31 | Onyx4 | you guys heard of xine (divx4 player) coming to Z? |
| 08:55:44 | mosen | hehe |
| 08:55:58 | mosen | i have to reboot brb maybe - trying diff driver |
| 09:19:35 | George- | hi bizaarre |
| 09:22:22 | bizaarre | hey george |
| 09:22:43 | George- | #Debian was slashdotted... |
| 09:22:46 | George- | Because of lilo |
| 09:23:24 | bizaarre | that why any1 who discusses lilo gets kicked? |
| 09:24:47 | George- | yeh |
| 09:26:02 | bizaarre | hmmn...didn't immediately register with me when lilo was put in the same sentence as OPN and OFTC... |
| 09:26:17 | George- | hehe |
| 09:26:20 | George- | wtf is OFTC? |
| 09:26:22 | bizaarre | i thought, why lilo? then i thought i use grub anyway... |
| 09:26:27 | bizaarre | ;) |
| 09:26:57 | bizaarre | Open and Free Tecnology something... |
| 09:27:07 | George- | heh |
| 09:27:10 | bizaarre | Community |
| 09:27:12 | George- | hahahha... irc.lilofree.net |
| 09:29:06 | bizaarre | George-: you own a Z right? |
| 09:29:28 | George- | yes |
| 09:30:32 | bizaarre | would you consider it "stable", "unstable" or "testing" in debian terminology? |
| 09:32:31 | bizaarre | Sharp == unstable, OZ == testing ? |
| 09:32:48 | George- | uhm |
| 09:32:52 | George- | sharp == stable |
| 09:32:55 | George- | but very old |
| 09:32:59 | George- | and out of date |
| 09:33:03 | George- | (like Debian Potato) |
| 09:33:11 | George- | and OZ == testing |
| 09:33:27 | bizaarre | i see... |
| 09:33:27 | George- | and Debian/ARM/Zaurus == unstable :) |
| 09:33:39 | Harlekin | Debian/ARM/Zaurus == stupid |
| 09:33:48 | George- | Harlekin: why? |
| 09:33:50 | bizaarre | why? |
| 09:34:10 | Harlekin | if you give me a full freatured debian/arm pda on the z |
| 09:34:10 | Harlekin | ok |
| 09:34:12 | Harlekin | but id like to see how |
| 09:34:17 | Harlekin | dpkg db is allready 2 mb |
| 09:34:23 | Harlekin | .. |
| 09:34:28 | Harlekin | 16 mb flash |
| 09:34:47 | George- | Harlekin: it has gotta use CF if you want a decent system |
| 09:34:58 | George- | Harlekin: if you want to run entirely from flash, then use OZ/Sharp ROM |
| 09:35:22 | George- | Harlekin: But I have a 160MB CF, and I hate the way that Opie/Qtopia manages the stupid documents tab regarding to apps installed on removable media |
| 09:35:58 | George- | mdz has hacked a lot, so that you have a working XFree86 and Matchbox, with xvt inside the 16MB flash |
| 09:36:02 | George- | even apt-get is there |
| 09:36:12 | George- | but there's no room left for the package lists... |
| 09:36:14 | Harlekin | George-: good for runtime |
| 09:36:20 | Harlekin | permanent reading from a cf |
| 09:36:26 | George- | Microdrive |
| 09:36:34 | George- | I'm looking at getting a uDrive |
| 09:36:52 | Harlekin | which is much much worse |
| 09:36:59 | George- | why? |
| 09:37:03 | Harlekin | so after 1-2 h without ac |
| 09:37:05 | Harlekin | youre done |
| 09:37:15 | George- | haha |
| 09:37:21 | Harlekin | no joke |
| 09:37:23 | George- | I'm not bothered about that |
| 09:37:30 | George- | I normally run from AC anyway |
| 09:37:39 | Harlekin | makes sense for a pda |
| 09:37:44 | George- | and if it really gets to be a problem |
| 09:37:49 | George- | I can build a battery extender *g* |
| 09:38:15 | Harlekin | wants a pda |
| 09:38:30 | Harlekin | for that other stuff id buy a high class subnotebook |
| 09:38:35 | Harlekin | for the same ammount of money |
| 09:38:45 | George- | hrmm |
| 09:38:51 | bizaarre | brb |
| 09:38:59 | George- | stop it! You're bringing me to reality! |
| 09:39:01 | George- | :) |
| 09:39:39 | Harlekin | and if you get a microdrive, really make sure to build yourself a batteryextender |
| 09:39:58 | George- | why? |
| 09:40:33 | Harlekin | you will see |
| 09:40:37 | asterick | Mechanical parts takes lots of juice. |
| 09:40:46 | George- | da, I know |
| 09:41:10 | asterick | When I had my microdrive + cassiopeia, it dropped it down to about 3 hours of battery life. |
| 09:41:19 | George- | what did it have before? |
| 09:41:34 | asterick | about 20. |
| 09:41:40 | George- | omfg |
| 09:41:56 | George- | 20 -> 3 hours |
| 09:41:58 | George- | that's insane |
| 09:42:00 | asterick | yep. |
| 09:42:01 | George- | talks to prpplague |
| 09:42:13 | asterick | It was an old pda though. |
| 09:42:15 | asterick | e105. |
| 09:42:26 | asterick | So, it might just be a poorly designed CF bus. |
| 09:42:40 | George- | hrmm |
| 09:42:44 | Harlekin | asterick: not |
| 09:42:50 | Harlekin | asterick: normal ratio |
| 09:43:02 | George- | well I doubt the Zaurus will drop from 3 hours -> 15 minutes :) |
| 09:43:03 | Harlekin | 1:7 |
| 09:43:06 | asterick | I know it was ubercrappy, just didn't know if it was that bad. |
| 09:43:15 | George- | Harlekin: 1:7? |
| 09:43:19 | asterick | Either way, they are cheap, mass storage. |
| 09:43:32 | asterick | you could probibly make a console tool that writes a disk image to a SD card. |
| 09:43:42 | asterick | that would boost battery time. |
| 09:43:48 | George- | ???? |
| 09:43:50 | asterick | (chew through your SD though) |
| 09:43:52 | George- | why? |
| 09:43:58 | asterick | flash takes less power. |
| 09:44:01 | asterick | lots less. |
| 09:44:05 | George- | I know |
| 09:44:29 | asterick | Well, if you want to have prolonged access to your files, you might want to buffer it. |
| 09:44:35 | asterick | course, you could also do a ram disk. |
| 09:44:42 | Harlekin | buy a laptop |
| 09:44:45 | asterick | Hehe. |
| 09:44:47 | asterick | that too. |
| 09:44:49 | George- | Harlekin: haha |
| 09:45:01 | George- | Harlekin: sorry , i don't run on broadband ;) |
| 09:45:02 | Harlekin | asterick: sure, same price, much more sense |
| 09:45:07 | George- | is stuck on 56k |
| 09:45:15 | asterick | I want sharp to release a new model of the zaurus using the toshiba e301's processor. |
| 09:45:18 | George- | and anyway, I run Gentoo |
| 09:45:34 | George- | the e301 runs Xscale, rigth? |
| 09:45:45 | asterick | It's a intel 401mhz strong arm. |
| 09:45:49 | asterick | don't know the specifics. |
| 09:45:54 | George- | It's crap |
| 09:45:58 | asterick | Probibly. |
| 09:46:06 | George- | not probably, it _is_ crap :) |
| 09:46:22 | asterick | I say that when I have no personal experience with the processor. |
| 09:46:29 | George- | and yes, there is a zaurus being developed on that CPU |
| 09:46:37 | George- | asterick: neither have I |
| 09:46:54 | George- | asterick: but PPC 2k2 running on it is outperformed by PPC 2k2 running on 206MHz SA-1110 |
| 09:46:56 | asterick | You also have to understand that most of my development on low-clock processors |
| 09:46:57 | George- | from what I've heard |
| 09:47:13 | asterick | Well, it's hard to benchmark it. |
| 09:47:16 | George- | (but apparently it's not optimized) |
| 09:47:27 | asterick | I mean, the Toshiba e301 runs on WinCE, and zaurus runs linux. |
| 09:47:36 | George- | yes |
| 09:47:37 | asterick | win CE has never been a very good resource manager. |
| 09:47:44 | George- | the Xscale is still crap though :) |
| 09:47:44 | Harlekin | xscale 400 is 40 % gain to arm 206 if optimised |
| 09:47:56 | George- | Harlekin: is that all? |
| 09:48:01 | George- | Harlekin: that's a bit low isn't it? |
| 09:48:07 | Harlekin | ? |
| 09:48:10 | Harlekin | gain 40% |
| 09:48:12 | George- | Harlekin: I'd expect at least 100% or 150%? |
| 09:48:20 | Harlekin | not at |
| 09:48:41 | Harlekin | and for special operations you could get more |
| 09:48:43 | George- | well, if intel designed it properly... |
| 09:48:52 | Harlekin | they did not |
| 09:48:56 | asterick | Heh. |
| 09:49:04 | George- | Harlekin: I know. |
| 09:49:09 | asterick | What processor does the Zaurus run? specific model. |
| 09:49:10 | Harlekin | massiv design flaws |
| 09:49:15 | Harlekin | Stravad: sa1100 |
| 09:49:19 | asterick | Intel has gone down hill since the pentium series. |
| 09:49:39 | George- | yeh |
| 09:49:51 | George- | Harlekin: It's the SA1110, isn't it? |
| 09:49:58 | asterick | I would hug my AMD if it wasn't searing hot right now. |
| 09:50:28 | George- | Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 8 (v4l) |
| 09:50:35 | asterick | In the zaurus? |
| 09:50:36 | Harlekin | should be |
| 09:50:36 | George- | asterick: hah, 1800+? |
| 09:50:42 | George- | asterick: yes |
| 09:50:53 | asterick | George: 1600 I belive. |
| 09:51:13 | George- | oh |
| 09:51:14 | asterick | Actually, I think it's 1800. |
| 09:51:20 | asterick | Which ever is 1.5ghz |
| 09:51:58 | George- | that's the 1800 |
| 09:52:01 | asterick | Ok |
| 09:52:03 | George- | the 1800 is 1.53, I think |
| 09:52:16 | asterick | That would be the one |
| 10:20:46 | imm | hi |
| 10:23:30 | George- | back |
| 10:26:57 | asterick | yay |
| 10:31:21 | imm | #I_am_a_lamer is so cool ! |
| 10:31:46 | imm | come and join us |
| 10:31:50 | George- | LOL |
| 10:31:55 | George- | lmao |
| 10:32:24 | imm | we have free candy over there |
| 10:32:51 | George- | haha |
| 10:56:24 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 11:07:21 | George- | kergoth: ping |
| 11:14:10 | andrius2 | hi all |
| 11:14:42 | George- | hi |
| 11:32:42 | George- | what's xXx? |
| 11:33:05 | mark | George-: a film out in america and not here? |
| 11:33:10 | Onyx4 | http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1807816302 |
| 11:33:12 | George- | da what is it? |
| 11:33:45 | Onyx4 | a movie "a la" james bond :) |
| 11:33:50 | Onyx4 | action packed |
| 11:34:20 | George- | hrmm |
| 11:34:28 | George- | strange |
| 11:34:35 | George- | watches LoTR |
| 11:35:17 | Onyx4 | hehe I just made a lotr divx resample for my zaurus |
| 11:35:38 | George- | and is it good? |
| 11:35:43 | mark | Onyx4: hehe, you must have a big CF card :) |
| 11:35:58 | George- | mark: or a NFS system ;) |
| 11:36:04 | Onyx4 | well I can't fit the whole thing on 256, but a regular 2 hour movie fits on 256 |
| 11:36:11 | mark | wow |
| 11:36:13 | Onyx4 | so i don't know what to do with lotr yet |
| 11:36:15 | mark | decent quality? |
| 11:36:17 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 11:36:24 | mark | thats impresive |
| 11:36:33 | asterick | George: you must have a fast adapter to pull that kind of bit rate off a network |
| 11:36:33 | George- | hrmm |
| 11:36:37 | mark | you rip them off dvds? |
| 11:36:38 | George- | What about 160MB? :) |
| 11:36:39 | Onyx4 | but in widescreen format... like 320x136 |
| 11:36:48 | Harlekin | Onyx4: size? |
| 11:36:50 | Onyx4 | I can't get it to play fast in fullscreen mode |
| 11:36:59 | George- | hrmm |
| 11:37:01 | Onyx4 | it's jerky when it's 320x240 |
| 11:37:09 | Harlekin | Onyx4: can you send me the first 5 mb? |
| 11:37:10 | Onyx4 | probably too much video to update on the screen I guess |
| 11:37:12 | George- | which video player? |
| 11:37:13 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 11:37:19 | Onyx4 | tkcvideo |
| 11:37:23 | Onyx4 | I tried mplayer too |
| 11:37:28 | George- | mplayer?!?! |
| 11:37:29 | asterick | the zaurus is more than fast enough to do full screen divx... that's crazy. |
| 11:37:33 | George- | Where? :) |
| 11:37:37 | mark | George-: zsi |
| 11:37:37 | Onyx4 | mplayed actually is faster, but has problem updating the screen cause of qtopia |
| 11:37:50 | Harlekin | Onyx4: can you send me the first 5 mb? |
| 11:37:55 | Onyx4 | yes hold on a sec |
| 11:37:57 | scanline | darn that qtopia, always getting in the way :) |
| 11:38:01 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 11:38:01 | Harlekin | -) |
| 11:38:01 | George- | Onyx4: and me! :) |
| 11:38:39 | George- | has the LoTR dvd, but no authoring tools to rip it |
| 11:38:57 | asterick | George: they are not that hard to find. |
| 11:39:08 | Onyx4 | waiting on dcc accept from you guys |
| 11:39:11 | Harlekin | Onyx4: which what have you done it? |
| 11:39:12 | George- | asterick: For mac |
| 11:39:16 | Harlekin | George-: look for transcode |
| 11:39:21 | Onyx4 | yes transcode |
| 11:39:21 | George- | Onyx4: DCC doesn't work with me |
| 11:39:25 | Onyx4 | oh |
| 11:39:40 | George- | Harlekin: I don't have linux installed yet |
| 11:39:44 | George- | ducks |
| 11:40:09 | asterick | George: don't feel bad, I'm dual booting with Windows XP. |
| 11:40:11 | Onyx4 | it'll be slow since im sending it to two people on DSL :) |
| 11:40:28 | George- | asterick: no, I like OS X |
| 11:40:32 | George- | to an extent |
| 11:40:39 | George- | I hate it how it's so primitive, though |
| 11:40:44 | scanline | is away: ZZzzzZzzzZzzzzz ZZZ zzzzz zzz z z z |
| 11:40:45 | George- | (the UI) |
| 11:40:49 | George- | like, no virtual desktops etc |
| 11:40:54 | Onyx4 | the sound is actally stereo in that one at 64kbps as opposed to the mono/32kbps suggested, cause transcode has a bug in it when downmixing |
| 11:41:06 | Onyx4 | so the video would be a bit better and audio too with mono |
| 11:41:14 | asterick | George: I've no problems with Mac OS... It just does a lot of counter intuitive stuff that bothers ne. |
| 11:41:16 | asterick | me. |
| 11:41:44 | asterick | like how mac os 7.2.x has you drag the floppy icon to the trash can to eject a disk without it freaking out. |
| 11:41:57 | Onyx4 | you guys have which player? |
| 11:42:03 | Harlekin | opē |
| 11:42:04 | George- | asterick: ye |
| 11:42:11 | George- | Harlekin: opē? |
| 11:42:20 | Harlekin | opie player ^2 |
| 11:42:22 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 11:42:24 | Onyx4 | wow you have it? |
| 11:42:29 | Onyx4 | the xine port? |
| 11:42:35 | Harlekin | not really a xine port |
| 11:42:44 | Onyx4 | where can I get it |
| 11:42:47 | Harlekin | actually a based on xine port |
| 11:43:02 | George- | Harlekin: where do I get that from!?!?!!? :) |
| 11:43:07 | Harlekin | all changes are not yet in xine cvs |
| 11:43:16 | George- | Harlekin: do you have an .ipk? |
| 11:43:16 | Harlekin | and there are features in xine does hot have yet |
| 11:43:21 | Harlekin | George-: yeah |
| 11:43:24 | Onyx4 | I heard about it... supposed to be real new |
| 11:43:33 | George- | Harlekin: can i have it? :) |
| 11:43:36 | George- | Harlekin: please? |
| 11:43:39 | Harlekin | George-: wait until tonight |
| 11:43:42 | Onyx4 | all I want is a decent divx4 player that'll do nice fullscreen and not be jerky :) |
| 11:43:44 | George- | why? |
| 11:43:46 | Harlekin | George-: still some bugs i want to have out |
| 11:43:50 | Harlekin | George-: before beta1 |
| 11:43:52 | George- | ahh, ok |
| 11:43:54 | George- | great |
| 11:44:00 | Harlekin | Onyx4: do you know the matrix2 trailer |
| 11:44:01 | Onyx4 | do you have a URL to keep track of it? |
| 11:44:09 | Harlekin | Onyx4: no |
| 11:44:15 | George- | remember, you promised kergoth to have oē 1 day earlier :) |
| 11:44:16 | Onyx4 | nope |
| 11:44:25 | Harlekin | George-: ? |
| 11:44:26 | asterick | It might be due to the screen, and not the software... TFT screens tend to have low access speeds. |
| 11:44:34 | asterick | But I could just be blowing smoke out my ass. |
| 11:44:38 | Harlekin | asterick: no |
| 11:44:47 | Onyx4 | are you using direct FB or sdl or...? |
| 11:44:51 | Harlekin | asterick: the problem is the color conversion |
| 11:45:07 | Onyx4 | and rotating too right? |
| 11:45:11 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 11:45:12 | George- | Harlekin: remember when I said that sentence "I like to have _real_ linux commands like bash etc", and you made that question "anyone who works out what's wrong with that will get opieplayer2 1 day earlier", and kergoth got it right :) |
| 11:45:18 | Harlekin | so fullscreen is allways better |
| 11:45:19 | asterick | Doesn't the zaurus just use rrrrrggggggbbbbb packing? |
| 11:45:26 | asterick | I mean, that is a lot of it, but not all... |
| 11:45:39 | Harlekin | George-: he got opē 4 days ago |
| 11:45:40 | asterick | rotation shouldn't slow down anything... |
| 11:45:45 | George- | Harlekin: ass! :) |
| 11:46:08 | Harlekin | George-: the problem is it does not work on retail Z rom right now |
| 11:46:10 | Onyx4 | so If I have a divx movie already in YUV instead of RGB it would be faster? |
| 11:46:14 | Harlekin | and i am still guessing why |
| 11:46:14 | Onyx4 | or it still has to do the conversion anyway |
| 11:46:24 | George- | Harlekin: it will work on OZ, though? |
| 11:46:27 | Harlekin | George-: y |
| 11:46:36 | Onyx4 | ha strange |
| 11:46:48 | Harlekin | and on familiar |
| 11:46:53 | Harlekin | (ipaq) |
| 11:46:55 | Harlekin | and on x86 |
| 11:47:02 | Onyx4 | it doesnt require X does it? |
| 11:47:06 | Harlekin | no |
| 11:47:10 | Harlekin | how should it |
| 11:47:18 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 11:47:22 | Onyx4 | dunno :) |
| 11:47:34 | Harlekin | George-: youre on OZ? |
| 11:48:04 | Onyx4 | is it "qtopia" aware, cause with mplayer, when in fullscreen mode, the icons that refreshes appears on top of the video, like time, battery status, etc |
| 11:48:17 | George- | Harlekin: yes |
| 11:48:20 | Harlekin | Onyx4: its opie aware |
| 11:48:28 | Onyx4 | cool... |
| 11:48:44 | Onyx4 | open sourced? |
| 11:48:50 | Harlekin | opie |
| 11:48:57 | George- | Onyx4: run mplayer from the console.. |
| 11:49:04 | George- | Onyx4: quit opie/qtopia whatever |
| 11:49:15 | Harlekin | George-: which Z? |
| 11:49:17 | Onyx4 | which key to hold again when you quit otopia so it doesnt restart? |
| 11:49:22 | George- | Harlekin: 5000D |
| 11:49:27 | Onyx4 | when it says "wait 5,4,3,2,1..." |
| 11:49:36 | Harlekin | George-: then no go, since that has not enough mem |
| 11:49:45 | Harlekin | George-: you will ahve to wait for beta2 |
| 11:49:50 | George- | Harlekin: it's setup for 32MB ram |
| 11:49:54 | George- | Harlekin: no ramdisk |
| 11:50:09 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 11:50:18 | George- | it's essentially like a 5500 :) |
| 11:50:22 | Harlekin | George-: that would be intresting to know |
| 11:50:32 | George- | what would? |
| 11:50:43 | Harlekin | George-: it it runs on such a changed unit |
| 11:50:53 | George- | hehe |
| 11:51:16 | Onyx4 | the other problem with mplayer is it doesnt prevent the light from turning off , but that's changable in the settings |
| 11:51:52 | imm | how can i rotate a widget in qpe ? |
| 11:52:14 | Kall-sleeep | Mornin |
| 11:52:30 | Onyx4 | george, I actually made the video with xvid |
| 11:53:00 | KallDrexx | imm: my friend who needed torotate widgets said you have ot write your own rotation code orsomething |
| 11:53:20 | killefiz | damn - my oz often crashes hard on reboot - all i can do to fix it is do a hard reset |
| 11:53:30 | killefiz | and that (of course) kills my mtdram |
| 11:53:30 | George- | brb |
| 11:53:32 | Onyx4 | I had that problem the other day |
| 11:53:45 | Onyx4 | but I'm running sharp rom |
| 11:54:20 | killefiz | kergoth: ever seen this behaviour? |
| 11:54:33 | imm | KallDrexx: that sounds bad for me |
| 11:54:52 | KallDrexx | imm: heh, when my friend comes online I'll see if he can come in here and tlel you how |
| 11:55:45 | Onyx4 | damn I need to go to sleep, the sun is gonna wake up soon |
| 11:56:21 | Onyx4 | been messing with this divx stuff all night |
| 11:56:31 | Onyx4 | trying to find good settings that work |
| 11:58:15 | MarkNovak | hey dudes |
| 11:58:47 | George- | AFK - lunch |
| 11:58:52 | Onyx4 | how does it look? |
| 11:59:02 | MarkNovak | how does it look? |
| 11:59:06 | MarkNovak | what do you mean? |
| 11:59:17 | Onyx4 | hey you back |
| 11:59:23 | Onyx4 | i never went to sleep |
| 11:59:29 | MarkNovak | oh christ |
| 11:59:31 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 11:59:37 | MarkNovak | I got about 5 hours |
| 11:59:48 | Onyx4 | been messing around with divx settings all night trying to find good ones that don't produce jumpy video |
| 11:59:58 | MarkNovak | and..? |
| 12:00:05 | Onyx4 | I think I finally got it |
| 12:00:09 | MarkNovak | ive gotten a few to work flawlessly, Super Troopers |
| 12:00:15 | MarkNovak | using virtual dub? |
| 12:00:28 | Onyx4 | it didn't matter if I use transcode (linux) or vd(win) |
| 12:00:38 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 12:00:43 | Onyx4 | now that I know how to do it in transcode, i'll just use that since it's all automated |
| 12:00:51 | MarkNovak | my Vd still doesnt list mpeg layer-3 |
| 12:01:09 | MarkNovak | is transcode available for windows? Has it been ported? |
| 12:01:11 | Onyx4 | but the bottom line is that the screen w x h needs to not exceed certain limits |
| 12:01:22 | MarkNovak | I use 240 for width |
| 12:01:31 | Onyx4 | like 320x240 is not good, but 320x136 works, or 240x180 |
| 12:01:43 | Onyx4 | depends if you want fullscreen or keep the widescreen effect |
| 12:01:51 | MarkNovak | yeah, 240x180 for regular vids, 240x100 for dvd sized |
| 12:02:07 | Onyx4 | of you even go down that low? 240x100 is pretty low |
| 12:02:19 | MarkNovak | well yeah, because the vid I started out was already wide screen |
| 12:02:22 | Onyx4 | it'll look pixelized |
| 12:02:25 | MarkNovak | I had to keep it that else id would have been elongated |
| 12:02:52 | Onyx4 | anyway, I made a sample of 8 meg of LOTR, wanna see it? |
| 12:03:00 | MarkNovak | sure |
| 12:03:03 | Onyx4 | just so that it fits in my leftover ram :) |
| 12:03:15 | MarkNovak | oh man, you need CF |
| 12:03:39 | Onyx4 | I have one but it's 64mb no good for movies |
| 12:03:46 | Onyx4 | so I just wanted a small sample to test |
| 12:04:01 | MarkNovak | gotcha |
| 12:04:04 | MarkNovak | and it runs ok? |
| 12:04:04 | Onyx4 | I transfer it back and forth between my machine and the zaurus |
| 12:04:07 | MarkNovak | voices synced? |
| 12:04:22 | Onyx4 | it seems to... voices are not synced perfectly with tkcplayer, but with mplayer they are |
| 12:04:29 | Onyx4 | I mean tkcvideo |
| 12:04:39 | Cloudchaser | they put out new version last night |
| 12:04:45 | Onyx4 | we have -17 |
| 12:04:48 | MarkNovak | did they? |
| 12:04:51 | MarkNovak | higher than -17? |
| 12:05:00 | Cloudchaser | try downloading it again from your basket, they didn't change their version number |
| 12:05:06 | Cloudchaser | its in mail list |
| 12:05:21 | Cloudchaser | the got some samples of bad vids |
| 12:05:30 | Cloudchaser | and found the issue the mail said |
| 12:05:31 | Onyx4 | ok let me check |
| 12:05:43 | MarkNovak | I unsubscribed to the mailing list |
| 12:05:50 | MarkNovak | i was getting 20 mails a day |
| 12:05:56 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 12:06:43 | Onyx4 | anyway, try the movie sample and see if you can get it to work right , ima go to bed now |
| 12:06:44 | Cloudchaser | best way to keep up |
| 12:06:49 | Onyx4 | shit the sun is rising ... |
| 12:06:53 | Harlekin | Onyx4: hey, that are not the first 5 min |
| 12:06:55 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 12:07:10 | Onyx4 | no that's a good scene with lot of motion |
| 12:07:16 | Onyx4 | I wanted to test for jumpyness |
| 12:07:22 | Harlekin | k |
| 12:07:24 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 12:07:31 | Onyx4 | the first 5 min is like all black :) |
| 12:07:39 | Onyx4 | and nothing really happening |
| 12:07:48 | KallDrexx | is there a way to reduce the quality of divx videos? |
| 12:08:02 | Onyx4 | of course |
| 12:08:05 | MarkNovak | lolol |
| 12:08:08 | KallDrexx | cause I mean, you don't need dvd quality if your just playing it on a zaurus ;) |
| 12:08:08 | Onyx4 | that's what im talking about |
| 12:08:08 | Cloudchaser | virtual dub for windows works |
| 12:08:08 | MarkNovak | im on east coast |
| 12:08:24 | Onyx4 | read the tkcvideo user manual it's explained in it |
| 12:08:26 | MarkNovak | ive got bitrate to like -4 |
| 12:08:38 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: don't have my zaurus yet :D |
| 12:08:52 | Onyx4 | lot of people don't either :) |
| 12:09:01 | Onyx4 | they are just dreaming and dreaming about it |
| 12:09:01 | KallDrexx | heh I need to choose what I want to buy first. a 256Mb CF or a wireless CF |
| 12:09:11 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: hehe I did last night :) |
| 12:09:23 | MarkNovak | I went straight to 256mb cf |
| 12:09:32 | Onyx4 | I bought wireless, but im testing movie playback on my ram right now with small samples |
| 12:09:33 | Onyx4 | if it works great, ill go buy a 256mb |
| 12:09:54 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 12:10:27 | KallDrexx | man If I can get a movie onto a 256Mb CF, I will just love airports and such :) |
| 12:10:31 | Onyx4 | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvideo/userguide.php3 |
| 12:10:37 | Onyx4 | read that it's pretty good info |
| 12:10:57 | MarkNovak | Kall |
| 12:10:59 | Onyx4 | exactly.. I want playback in airport and my car or waiting for the bus, etc |
| 12:11:04 | MarkNovak | I got 4 simpsons episodes onto my 256 |
| 12:11:24 | Onyx4 | basically 2 hours = 256mb at good quality |
| 12:11:30 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: or during school :) |
| 12:11:34 | Onyx4 | so you can fit 4 x 30 min episodes :) |
| 12:11:39 | MarkNovak | yeah |
| 12:11:42 | Onyx4 | haha :) |
| 12:11:46 | KallDrexx | haha that would be great |
| 12:12:02 | KallDrexx | wonders if he's going to be spednign a lot of money on his zaurus =D |
| 12:12:10 | Onyx4 | me too |
| 12:12:18 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: hmm I wonder how small I could get LOTR down to |
| 12:12:31 | MarkNovak | Probably the whole vid.. I got exit wounds on |
| 12:12:38 | MarkNovak | full, hour and a half or so |
| 12:12:38 | Onyx4 | well, with 24kbps audio, it would still look acceptable on 256mb at something like 160kbit |
| 12:13:03 | Onyx4 | if you do VBR 2 pass it might work out |
| 12:13:16 | MarkNovak | Onyx4: what do you recommend I do about thee not listing mpeg layer3? |
| 12:13:34 | Cloudchaser | i haven't tried 160, lowest i tried was 250 |
| 12:13:41 | Harlekin | Onyx4: how big is the movie? |
| 12:14:02 | Onyx4 | you mean in size or time? |
| 12:14:20 | MarkNovak | sizew |
| 12:14:33 | MarkNovak | how many MB not encoded? |
| 12:14:47 | Onyx4 | I havent done the whole movie yet, but it would result in a file about 350mb at the quality I used |
| 12:14:56 | Onyx4 | since I used the quality for a 2 hour movie |
| 12:15:02 | Onyx4 | and lotr is 3 hours |
| 12:15:23 | Onyx4 | that one you would have to split in two I guess |
| 12:15:32 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 12:15:44 | KallDrexx | I don't know which i want to buy first hehe |
| 12:16:06 | KallDrexx | is tkcVideo fast? |
| 12:16:13 | Onyx4 | it could be better |
| 12:16:26 | Onyx4 | mplayer is faster and it's not even optimized for zaurus yet |
| 12:16:35 | KallDrexx | mplayer's on zaurus? |
| 12:16:38 | Onyx4 | but the opieplayer2 looks promising |
| 12:16:47 | Onyx4 | mplayer runs on zaurus yes |
| 12:16:51 | Onyx4 | sort of a hack tough |
| 12:16:56 | Onyx4 | there is an ipk |
| 12:16:59 | KallDrexx | howso? |
| 12:17:01 | Onyx4 | it works from cmdline |
| 12:17:04 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 12:17:10 | Onyx4 | and you gotta shutdown qtopia |
| 12:17:21 | Onyx4 | otherwise you get screen refresh problems |
| 12:17:27 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 12:17:33 | KallDrexx | that sucks |
| 12:17:39 | KallDrexx | but it's free |
| 12:17:50 | Onyx4 | but im assuming that in a month or so we'll have decent players out there that work well |
| 12:17:52 | bipolar | opieplayer2 is awesome. |
| 12:18:01 | MarkNovak | you already got it? |
| 12:18:05 | Harlekin | Onyx4: try less pixel |
| 12:18:26 | bipolar | it uses Xine libs so it will play any format that xine can, which is just about everything. :) |
| 12:18:44 | Onyx4 | even less then what I did ? |
| 12:19:10 | Harlekin | bipolar: hehe, it does more than xine does |
| 12:19:18 | Onyx4 | I used 320x136 which is about 40,000 pixels |
| 12:19:24 | bipolar | Harlekin: cool! Like what? |
| 12:19:41 | Harlekin | bipolar: seeking in ogg files |
| 12:19:47 | Onyx4 | so maybe 240x100? |
| 12:19:54 | bipolar | Harlekin: nice |
| 12:20:21 | Harlekin | Onyx4: there was that one page with a lot of movies |
| 12:20:23 | KallDrexx | is simpletech 256mb CF work on z? |
| 12:20:26 | Harlekin | they had a second rate |
| 12:20:27 | KallDrexx | does rather |
| 12:20:52 | Harlekin | http://pocketmovies.net/ |
| 12:21:04 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: really... interesting |
| 12:21:06 | Harlekin | Onyx4: 240*184 |
| 12:21:13 | Harlekin | they use as second size |
| 12:21:25 | Harlekin | so "directly fits squere |
| 12:21:30 | Onyx4 | yeah 240x184 is same number of pixels, just different aspect ratio |
| 12:21:54 | Harlekin | i ment |
| 12:21:58 | Harlekin | 240x width |
| 12:22:01 | Harlekin | that was the point |
| 12:22:06 | Harlekin | and mono sound |
| 12:22:10 | Onyx4 | ok... |
| 12:22:26 | Onyx4 | so you get a "pan&scan" effect then from the original |
| 12:22:46 | Onyx4 | I couldn't do mono sound with transcode, it's not implemented yet, I wrote to the author about it |
| 12:22:47 | Harlekin | Onyx4: and increase gamma a bit |
| 12:22:53 | Onyx4 | guess nobody ever used it to make small lowbitrate divx |
| 12:23:19 | Onyx4 | k cool, transcode supports gamma correction |
| 12:23:57 | Harlekin | since pdas appear a bit darker |
| 12:24:08 | Harlekin | Onyx4: btw , your 5 mb play great |
| 12:24:12 | Harlekin | absolut fluent |
| 12:24:20 | Harlekin | even the helicopter rotation |
| 12:24:21 | Onyx4 | with opieplayer2? |
| 12:24:28 | Onyx4 | or tckvideo? |
| 12:25:03 | Harlekin | opē |
| 12:25:07 | Harlekin | i dont have tckvideo |
| 12:25:11 | Harlekin | why sould i pay for that |
| 12:25:11 | Onyx4 | ok nice |
| 12:25:12 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 12:25:29 | Onyx4 | you use libavcodec? |
| 12:25:33 | Onyx4 | for decoding? |
| 12:25:59 | Harlekin | for divx, yes |
| 12:26:10 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 12:26:25 | Onyx4 | I wonder if ogg audio at 24kbps mono would sound better than mp3 |
| 12:26:39 | Onyx4 | transcode will have ogg/vorbis soon in it |
| 12:26:49 | Onyx4 | and xine already supports playback I think |
| 12:27:02 | Onyx4 | people have sync issues tough I heard |
| 12:27:45 | KallDrexx | hey Teax |
| 12:28:01 | Teax | KallDrexx: hi |
| 12:28:06 | Harlekin | Onyx4: yeah, worked on it |
| 12:28:13 | Harlekin | Onyx4: opē has ogg playback |
| 12:28:27 | Harlekin | Onyx4: retail rom or OZ? |
| 12:28:34 | Onyx4 | retail on mine |
| 12:28:52 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:29:09 | Harlekin | bipolar: you have OZ too, right? |
| 12:29:19 | bipolar | Harlekin: yes |
| 12:29:23 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:29:28 | Harlekin | mam |
| 12:29:28 | Harlekin | man |
| 12:29:41 | Harlekin | id really like to know where the prob with retail rom is |
| 12:30:16 | Onyx4 | what does it do? |
| 12:30:20 | Onyx4 | it just doesn't start? |
| 12:31:27 | Harlekin | it starts |
| 12:31:37 | Harlekin | but segfaults the moment you ant to play |
| 12:31:44 | Harlekin | maybe the sound driver in retail rom is broken |
| 12:31:45 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:31:46 | MarkNovak | this lord of the rings runs beautifully |
| 12:31:56 | KallDrexx | Teax: hahaha got movmeent working. the guy moves to my destination and stops there hahah ;) now I just need to move him by the mouse and my beta is done |
| 12:32:03 | bipolar | Harlekin: is OP2 in the feed yet? |
| 12:32:16 | Onyx4 | ok mark |
| 12:32:24 | Harlekin | bipolar: no |
| 12:32:40 | bipolar | Harlekin: not stable enough, eh? |
| 12:32:47 | Onyx4 | when you segfault, can you run gdb to see where it crashed? |
| 12:32:52 | Harlekin | bipolar: yeah |
| 12:33:02 | Harlekin | Onyx4: i dont have a Z |
| 12:33:16 | Onyx4 | huh? |
| 12:33:29 | Onyx4 | you use an emulator? |
| 12:33:41 | Harlekin | i have ipaqs |
| 12:33:44 | Onyx4 | oh |
| 12:33:45 | MarkNovak | so many people in here dont have Zs |
| 12:33:54 | Harlekin | advanced hardware |
| 12:34:00 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 12:34:16 | Onyx4 | if you want I could get you a stack trace |
| 12:34:21 | Onyx4 | if that would help |
| 12:34:26 | imm | MarkNovak: thats not my fault :) |
| 12:34:56 | Onyx4 | but I don't know how gdb works on Z haven't tried it yet |
| 12:34:56 | Teax | KallDrexx: very well, i hope that we don't get the mail back because the mailbox is full |
| 12:37:01 | Onyx4 | well now im really going to bed, enough for tonight... it's almost 7am now |
| 12:37:43 | Harlekin | Onyx4: you could |
| 12:37:47 | Harlekin | a you go to bed |
| 12:37:48 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:38:18 | Onyx4|away | didn't sleep at all , been playing with this stuff |
| 12:38:21 | Onyx4|away | time goes by |
| 12:38:25 | Onyx4|away | real fast :) |
| 12:38:58 | imm | KallDrexx: what exactly are you doing ? |
| 12:39:03 | KallDrexx | Teax: yeah, hopefully after work I can finish my unit movement |
| 12:39:07 | KallDrexx | imm: RTS |
| 12:39:25 | imm | KallDrexx: RealTimeShooter ? |
| 12:39:25 | bipolar | Harlekin: is it just me or has oipkg gotten a lot more stable reciently |
| 12:39:33 | KallDrexx | imm: Real Time Strategy game |
| 12:39:43 | KallDrexx | final version is going to have multiplayer |
| 12:39:48 | Harlekin | bipolar: it was never oipkgs fault |
| 12:39:57 | Harlekin | bipolar: but oz uses a newer busybox now |
| 12:40:00 | imm | KallDrexx: any screenshots ? |
| 12:40:04 | bipolar | Harlekin: ahhh. |
| 12:40:06 | Harlekin | bipolar: and many many many bugs where fixed |
| 12:40:16 | bipolar | Harlekin: cool. |
| 12:40:21 | Harlekin | bugs in ipkg |
| 12:40:22 | KallDrexx | imm: lol yeah but it looks horrible :D http://kalldrexx.homelinux.net/screenshot.png |
| 12:40:28 | KallDrexx | imm: I can't draw worth squat :) |
| 12:40:45 | KallDrexx | Teax: what exactly do we have to send in? |
| 12:41:49 | imm | KallDrexx: and where are the enemys ? |
| 12:41:54 | Teax | KallDrexx: For the beta entry, a .tgz/rpm for x86 file format or .ipkg packages and screenshots of the virtual frame buffer will be accepted. |
| 12:42:16 | KallDrexx | imm: haven't been implemented yet |
| 12:42:50 | imm | KallDrexx: looks nice ! |
| 12:42:50 | KallDrexx | imm: I know it doesn't look like much but I've created the framework, which means it's easy to add new units, multiplayer, and enemies |
| 12:43:15 | KallDrexx | Teax: I know but do we put the screenshots in the .tgz and do we have to include source? |
| 12:43:37 | KallDrexx | imm: thanks |
| 12:43:48 | KallDrexx | imm: heh i'm not an artist, so drawing isometric is extremely hard |
| 12:44:09 | imm | KallDrexx: i sent in a ipk and some screenies |
| 12:44:28 | KallDrexx | what did you put in the ipk? |
| 12:44:58 | imm | KallDrexx: there is an ipkgmake script somewhere |
| 12:45:23 | imm | KallDrexx: just the arm binary |
| 12:45:28 | Teax | KallDrexx: i didn't put the screenshots in the ipk or tgz and you haven't to include source |
| 12:45:57 | KallDrexx | imm: oh so we have to compile the arm? |
| 12:46:12 | KallDrexx | Teax: so what di dyou put the screenies in? |
| 12:46:38 | imm | KallDrexx: if you can, i think its a good test |
| 12:46:53 | imm | KallDrexx: but x86 tar.gz is ok too |
| 12:47:15 | Teax | KallDrexx: in attachments |
| 12:47:17 | KallDrexx | imm: heh that means i have to convert all the cross compiler .rpm s to .deb hehe |
| 12:47:21 | KallDrexx | Teax: ah |
| 12:47:47 | imm | KallDrexx: it did it on slackware, works perfect |
| 12:47:58 | KallDrexx | imm: dunno the rpms didn't work for me |
| 12:48:15 | imm | KallDrexx: rpm -i --nodeps bla.rpm |
| 12:48:30 | KallDrexx | hmm I don't need a wireless AP if all i'm doing is hooking up my computer (1 wireless card) and a zaurus right? |
| 12:48:39 | imm | KallDrexx: all the stuff go to /opt |
| 12:48:40 | Onyx4|away | no |
| 12:48:44 | KallDrexx | imm: tried, gave me an erorr... had to convert the qtopia stuff too |
| 12:48:49 | Onyx4|away | just use "adhoc" mode point-to-point |
| 12:49:04 | KallDrexx | ah that's cool, is it voulnerable for other people to use? |
| 12:49:15 | Onyx4|away | yes, turn on wep |
| 12:49:24 | Onyx4|away | that'll take care of it mostly |
| 12:49:49 | Onyx4|away | netstumbler people won't find it, but kismet will |
| 12:49:50 | KallDrexx | sweet |
| 12:49:56 | Teax | KallDrexx: have you the qtopia sdk? |
| 12:50:06 | KallDrexx | Teax: of course ;) not the commercial one tho |
| 12:50:41 | KallDrexx | Woah |
| 12:50:44 | KallDrexx | that's cheap |
| 12:51:24 | KallDrexx | $46 for a usb wireless lan device |
| 12:52:12 | KallDrexx | so I can eitehr get a wireless for my Z + for my comp for $100 or get a 256mb CF for my Z |
| 12:52:20 | KallDrexx | and I only ahve a little over 100 |
| 12:52:20 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 12:52:24 | KallDrexx | the choices |
| 12:52:43 | KallDrexx | imm: what app did you make for the challenge? |
| 12:52:59 | andrius2 | hello all |
| 12:53:14 | imm | KallDrexx: a matchmaking app |
| 12:53:29 | KallDrexx | imm: hehe hwo'd that go? |
| 12:53:33 | andrius2 | anyone out there heard of issues with zauruses overheating and acting funky? |
| 12:53:38 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 12:53:41 | KallDrexx | overheating? |
| 12:53:57 | andrius2 | KallDrexx: yeah.....more or less |
| 12:54:15 | imm | KallDrexx: the Zs exchange some personal data over wifi |
| 12:54:39 | KallDrexx | imm: heh cool. you get your z yet? |
| 12:54:58 | imm | KallDrexx: i could send you the arm compiler. its 18M |
| 12:55:10 | imm | KallDrexx: no they where busy last week |
| 12:55:23 | andrius2 | last night, I was sitting outside with my zaurus (it was hot and humid) and, when I tried to use it, the touch screen had stopped working, and the z itself was hot |
| 12:56:46 | KallDrexx | imm: in what format is it? rpm? |
| 12:56:53 | andrius2 | I let it sit, last night....this morning, it had cooled down and the touch screen worked great:) |
| 12:56:58 | KallDrexx | imm: they were busy last week? |
| 12:57:13 | imm | KallDrexx: tar.bz2 |
| 12:57:14 | andrius2 | That's why I'm asing....anyone heard of heat and issues with the zaurus? |
| 12:58:00 | KallDrexx | imm: that would be cool if you could |
| 12:58:01 | imm | andrius2: mine is still at sharp in his box :( |
| 12:59:05 | andrius2 | Well, as long as mine continues to work..... |
| 12:59:16 | andrius2 | I just won't let it get hot, I guess |
| 13:02:01 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:04:17 | MarkNovak | guten morgen |
| 13:05:40 | chouimat | hi MarkNovak |
| 13:05:43 | MarkNovak | hi chouimat |
| 13:06:26 | MarkNovak | how are you? |
| 13:07:27 | chouimat | MarkNovak: a little sleepy |
| 13:07:59 | MarkNovak | Interesting fact: the word CODEC is formed by adding COmpressor and DECompressor |
| 13:08:46 | MarkNovak | I just.. thought.. maybe youd.. wanna know |
| 13:09:40 | chouimat | coffee |
| 13:09:49 | MarkNovak | chouimat: have you entered the zaurus contest? |
| 13:11:19 | chouimat | MarkNovak: yes |
| 13:11:19 | MarkNovak | which app are you doing? |
| 13:11:50 | KallDrexx | morning chouimat |
| 13:11:53 | chouimat | MarkNovak: the nessus clients |
| 13:12:00 | chouimat | morning KallDrexx |
| 13:12:12 | KallDrexx | hows it goin? |
| 13:12:27 | MarkNovak | any of you cool cats know how to get my wireless compactflash card detected by my z? |
| 13:12:39 | BigBoss | plug it in |
| 13:12:48 | BigBoss | but you have to enable the service |
| 13:12:50 | MarkNovak | check |
| 13:12:51 | MarkNovak | oh ok |
| 13:12:52 | BigBoss | so that it works |
| 13:12:54 | MarkNovak | ? |
| 13:12:59 | BigBoss | on the System tab |
| 13:13:07 | BigBoss | there are two different apps for wireless settings |
| 13:13:20 | chouimat | KallDrexx: so far so good. don't know if I support the server plugin selection and server preference stuff for the beta |
| 13:13:48 | MarkNovak | wireless lan setting, proxim configuration? |
| 13:14:07 | MarkNovak | goodluck on that chouimat |
| 13:15:23 | KallDrexx | chouimat: heh |
| 13:15:26 | chouimat | KallDrexx: since it's a pda version. I think a little client will suffice. you know you log, you send your targets and do a scan, a see the result that's all |
| 13:15:39 | KallDrexx | chouimat: yeah I agree |
| 13:16:15 | chouimat | KallDrexx: ok I will do that. the ssl support will go in for the final version |
| 13:16:50 | KallDrexx | chouimat: sounds good, remember only about 5 days left, or 6, too early to count ;) |
| 13:18:51 | MarkNovak | Im working on a Simslike game |
| 13:18:55 | MarkNovak | but not for the contest |
| 13:19:04 | chouimat | KallDrexx: hehe |
| 13:19:36 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 13:19:46 | KallDrexx | If I start doing commercial zaurus apps i'll have ot buy the SDK |
| 13:20:41 | imm | chouimat: im halfway done porting KBounce to the Z |
| 13:20:42 | chouimat | KallDrexx: yes |
| 13:20:59 | mark | imm: KBounce is a jezz ball type game? |
| 13:21:14 | imm | mark: yep, is there any other yet ? |
| 13:21:19 | chouimat | imm: I think I will remove my hands from my butt and finish that app :) |
| 13:21:39 | KallDrexx | crap, i don't have money for a 256mb CF, 2 wireless cards (one for the z and one for my comp) or the SDK |
| 13:21:55 | mark | imm: dont think so, iw as considering porting one ;) |
| 13:22:22 | KallDrexx | ok |
| 13:22:25 | KallDrexx | time to go to work =( |
| 13:22:32 | chouimat | KallDrexx: here a 128MB CF is 119$ and a 32MB SD for my palm is 59$ :( |
| 13:22:34 | KallDrexx | I hope they don't make me stay till closing so i can finish my app |
| 13:22:56 | KallDrexx | chouimat: jeez I found a 256 online for $94 |
| 13:23:27 | chouimat | KallDrexx: canada :) |
| 13:23:33 | KallDrexx | chouimat: heh woops :) |
| 13:23:38 | imm | mark: you can be my first beta tester if im done :) |
| 13:23:41 | KallDrexx | anyways |
| 13:23:43 | KallDrexx | time for work |
| 13:25:40 | George- | hrmm |
| 13:25:41 | George- | back |
| 13:26:38 | MarkNovak | palm takes sd? |
| 13:27:07 | George- | is CF faster than SD? |
| 13:27:22 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 13:27:26 | MarkNovak | faster bus |
| 13:27:33 | George- | thought so |
| 13:27:34 | MarkNovak | im just repeating what I hear in here sorry |
| 13:27:38 | MarkNovak | but I believe that to be true |
| 13:27:56 | George- | yeh |
| 13:28:15 | George- | I don't like SD, it's expensive and slow |
| 13:28:28 | MarkNovak | agreed |
| 13:28:46 | George- | and it has DRM :) |
| 13:28:53 | MarkNovak | anybody know how to get to IIS settings on XP? |
| 13:29:12 | MarkNovak | nevermoind |
| 13:30:50 | chouimat | MarkNovak: yes palm take SD |
| 13:32:13 | MarkNovak | I always had a handspring |
| 13:33:06 | George- | opē rocks!!! |
| 13:33:15 | George- | nice divx decoding |
| 13:33:20 | MarkNovak | was ist das |
| 13:33:50 | MarkNovak | my server is back up |
| 13:33:56 | MarkNovak | <high five> |
| 13:35:56 | MarkNovak | I got a simpsons episode running flawlessly on my tkcvideo |
| 13:36:15 | MarkNovak | this comp. is so fast it takes a minute to encode it |
| 13:36:20 | MarkNovak | its a beautiful thing |
| 13:36:51 | chouimat | MarkNovak: got a m125 here |
| 13:37:09 | MarkNovak | chouimat: got a handspring visor prism |
| 13:37:15 | MarkNovak | decked out |
| 13:37:35 | MarkNovak | chouimat: do you have a Z? |
| 13:37:52 | Harlekin | George-: now try ogg |
| 13:38:12 | MarkNovak | Harlekin: you seem to know a lot about video encoding and such |
| 13:38:24 | George- | Harlekin: I have no ogg files... |
| 13:38:41 | MarkNovak | noone has ogg files |
| 13:38:48 | Cloudchaser | i have ogg files |
| 13:38:49 | Harlekin | George-: look on my server |
| 13:38:56 | Harlekin | Harlekin: there are 2 encoded with 64 kbit |
| 13:39:01 | George- | Harlekin: I'm afraid I've just been called to help out in the garden |
| 13:39:03 | Cloudchaser | some play and some don't |
| 13:39:03 | Harlekin | that outperform mpg123 with 128 |
| 13:39:06 | George- | Harlekin: maybe in 1/2 hour? |
| 13:39:15 | Harlekin | George-: and then get an ogg from cloud |
| 13:39:17 | MarkNovak | hey guys |
| 13:39:22 | MarkNovak | can you give me an opinion on a site layout? |
| 13:39:25 | chouimat | MarkNovak: not yet |
| 13:39:32 | MarkNovak | you cant give me an opinion yet? |
| 13:39:49 | MarkNovak | http://www.marknovak.com |
| 13:39:55 | MarkNovak | let me know what you think right quick if you get a chance |
| 13:41:16 | MarkNovak | is still known as MarkNovak |
| 13:43:53 | MarkNovak | maybe if I made a virtual petition, and had all you dudes sign it, Macromedia would make a flash player for the Zaurus |
| 13:48:46 | kybu | heh |
| 13:49:15 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 13:49:23 | MarkNovak | no? |
| 13:50:01 | TheMasterMind1 | webdesign? i thought you worked for sun |
| 13:50:36 | MarkNovak | doing... |
| 13:50:40 | MarkNovak | say it with me |
| 13:50:41 | MarkNovak | web design |
| 13:50:45 | MarkNovak | mostly flash |
| 13:50:48 | MarkNovak | sometimes not even for web |
| 13:51:08 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 13:51:11 | TheMasterMind1 | www.blackgecko.net |
| 13:51:12 | TheMasterMind1 | i |
| 13:51:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm a web programmer |
| 13:51:24 | MarkNovak | backend stuff? |
| 13:51:28 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 13:51:30 | MarkNovak | I really respect that sort of thing |
| 13:51:31 | TheMasterMind1 | your site looks nice |
| 13:51:36 | MarkNovak | thanks just a whatif |
| 13:51:45 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 13:51:57 | MarkNovak | its just a layout |
| 13:52:15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 13:52:17 | TheMasterMind1 | looks nice though |
| 13:52:34 | MarkNovak | thanks :) |
| 13:52:47 | MarkNovak | are you guys freelance? |
| 13:53:09 | MarkNovak | I did that gig for a while |
| 13:53:33 | MarkNovak | then I realized I could have a solid salary |
| 13:53:58 | MarkNovak | you know how it goes |
| 13:54:18 | chouimat | imm: ping |
| 13:54:25 | imm | chouimat: pong |
| 13:54:54 | MarkNovak | hey guys, if I encoded a video using divx, without having it a mnultiple of 4, will it not work? |
| 13:55:09 | chouimat | imm: I'm currently adding a protocol tab (to see all that pass between the server and the client, debug purpose) |
| 13:55:31 | Harlekin | ogg is a killer |
| 13:55:35 | Harlekin | at 64 kbit |
| 13:55:42 | George- | ok |
| 13:55:50 | George- | Harlekin: Hang on, i'll try some ogg files ;) |
| 13:55:59 | imm | chouimat: if you hide it a bit you can leave it in later |
| 13:56:01 | George- | Harlekin: which one do you recommend? |
| 13:57:04 | Harlekin | George-: doesnt matter |
| 13:57:06 | Harlekin | just demo |
| 13:57:10 | George- | ok |
| 13:57:10 | Harlekin | for ogg 64 kbit |
| 13:57:15 | MarkNovak | TheMasterMind1: is this your company? |
| 13:57:41 | chouimat | imm: no nead to hide just make it disabled by default :) |
| 14:00:07 | George- | Track13.ogg? |
| 14:01:06 | Harlekin | George-: for example |
| 14:01:30 | George- | Harlekin: ok, downloading it |
| 14:01:48 | George- | hell, does ogg have a better compression than mp3? |
| 14:01:55 | George- | track13.mp3 is 2.7MB, track13.ogg is 1.8 |
| 14:02:05 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: yea |
| 14:02:05 | Cloudchaser | yes it does |
| 14:02:06 | Harlekin | George-: mp3 is 128 kbit |
| 14:02:10 | Harlekin | George-: ogg 64 |
| 14:02:12 | Harlekin | kbit |
| 14:02:15 | George- | erm, 3.7MB |
| 14:02:15 | Harlekin | that why the siue |
| 14:02:16 | Harlekin | size |
| 14:02:18 | George- | oh, ok |
| 14:02:25 | Harlekin | but same quality |
| 14:02:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:02:33 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit. i should have bought my zaurus at bestbuy |
| 14:02:43 | George- | same quality? |
| 14:02:49 | George- | is ogg 64kbit as good as mp3 128kbit? |
| 14:03:43 | Cloudchaser | harlekin what did you use to rip your ogg files |
| 14:03:49 | chouimat | George-: use your ears and compare |
| 14:04:02 | George- | chouimat: heh, I don't have a good sense of hearing |
| 14:04:13 | Cloudchaser | well then it won't matter ;0 |
| 14:04:16 | George- | chouimat: unless the sound quality is like, total crap :) |
| 14:04:21 | chouimat | George-: hehe |
| 14:04:21 | Cloudchaser | if you're happy with it, 64 is fine |
| 14:04:42 | George- | i see |
| 14:05:00 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: can you burn a audio cd with a 64 kbits ogg? |
| 14:05:17 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:05:19 | Cloudchaser | well..i'm a bit ignorant |
| 14:05:22 | TheMasterMind1 | the zaurus isn't on bestbuy.com anymore? |
| 14:05:25 | Cloudchaser | i used grip to burn them |
| 14:05:36 | Cloudchaser | and it was a bit confusing |
| 14:05:48 | Cloudchaser | i think i used 128 but i'll try 64 and see what happens |
| 14:05:54 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: ok |
| 14:05:55 | Cloudchaser | myogg are pretty big |
| 14:06:47 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: oggenc |
| 14:07:31 | Cloudchaser | is thta command line harlkin |
| 14:08:11 | Harlekin | y |
| 14:08:16 | Harlekin | what else do i need |
| 14:08:17 | Harlekin | ) |
| 14:08:53 | chouimat | humm I hate when my cat sit on the keyboard |
| 14:10:56 | Cloudchaser | ok anyone have oz on z right now |
| 14:11:04 | Cloudchaser | the newest |
| 14:11:19 | TheMasterMind1 | does oz use qt also or something else? |
| 14:11:22 | TheMasterMind1 | X? opie? |
| 14:11:23 | Cloudchaser | opie |
| 14:11:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:11:47 | TheMasterMind1 | and sharp's uses qt right? |
| 14:11:58 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: qtopia |
| 14:12:04 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 14:12:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll probably make my own rom to my liking |
| 14:12:45 | TheMasterMind1 | what does sharp update everytime they release a new rom? some apps and the kernel? |
| 14:13:43 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone used the zaurus tv remote app? |
| 14:14:40 | MarkNovak | theres a tv remote app? |
| 14:14:45 | MarkNovak | I had one of those on my palm |
| 14:14:49 | MarkNovak | excellant program |
| 14:14:52 | warmi | hi |
| 14:14:56 | MarkNovak | hi warmi |
| 14:16:08 | Harlekin | hi warmi |
| 14:16:08 | erikd | do be do |
| 14:16:08 | erikd | 'allo people |
| 14:16:08 | Cloudchaser | hiya warmi and erikd |
| 14:16:08 | George- | does OZ 2.9.5.5 have the new Sharp sdmgr etc? |
| 14:16:12 | erikd | heya :) |
| 14:16:30 | erikd | is getting -really- close to finishing his beta |
| 14:16:41 | MarkNovak | good im glad |
| 14:16:45 | MarkNovak | which app? |
| 14:16:50 | erikd | i thought of how to finish my graph widget at church :) |
| 14:16:54 | erikd | StatGrapher |
| 14:17:09 | erikd | http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev |
| 14:17:11 | MarkNovak | thats a productive use of your church going time |
| 14:17:13 | erikd | i'm working on it with darien |
| 14:17:33 | erikd | yeah, as long as i'm forced to go i might as well use it for something productive =/ |
| 14:17:40 | chouimat | erikd: me too I'm near finishing my beta |
| 14:17:49 | erikd | sweet |
| 14:18:04 | erikd | now i'll have a ton of apps to play with when i get my z :) |
| 14:18:08 | MarkNovak | you guys are both Counter-Strike players? |
| 14:18:15 | erikd | yeah |
| 14:18:20 | MarkNovak | whats Darien's famed CS server? |
| 14:18:24 | chouimat | erikd: hehe |
| 14:18:26 | erikd | cs.chimayhem.com |
| 14:18:33 | erikd | it's usually full though |
| 14:18:41 | MarkNovak | http://www.cs.chimayhem.com |
| 14:18:47 | MarkNovak | givin myself link |
| 14:18:58 | erikd | well, no cs if you're going to the site |
| 14:19:05 | George- | any OZ gurus here? |
| 14:19:05 | MarkNovak | right |
| 14:19:09 | MarkNovak | cs. to connect through console |
| 14:19:17 | erikd | http://www.chimayhem.com/ |
| 14:19:22 | erikd | yeah |
| 14:19:53 | George- | oh ffs |
| 14:20:41 | erikd | i actually "met" darien because of a cs irc bot i wrote :) |
| 14:20:53 | chouimat | George-: sdmgr is in OZ |
| 14:21:00 | MarkNovak | I read |
| 14:21:10 | MarkNovak | which bot? |
| 14:21:17 | George- | chouimat: is the new one in? |
| 14:21:26 | George- | chouimat: from sharp rom 2.38 (5500) |
| 14:21:49 | erikd | hlbot |
| 14:21:50 | chouimat | George-: the kernel module is 2002-08-05 |
| 14:21:56 | erikd | http://hlbot.erikd.org is the site |
| 14:22:09 | MarkNovak | no shit? |
| 14:22:09 | George- | chouimat: do you have a Z? :) |
| 14:22:16 | MarkNovak | nice |
| 14:22:18 | erikd | uh, no shit :) |
| 14:22:21 | darienm | ahhh, that's why my computer keeps beeping. |
| 14:22:25 | darienm | someone's using my name. |
| 14:22:28 | erikd | hehe |
| 14:22:31 | erikd | darien |
| 14:22:31 | erikd | darien |
| 14:22:34 | chouimat | George-: just checking the source of OZ :) |
| 14:22:53 | George- | hehe |
| 14:23:47 | George- | anyone gonna write a DVD player for Opie? :) |
| 14:23:52 | George- | ducks |
| 14:23:56 | erikd | me! |
| 14:23:58 | erikd | err |
| 14:24:00 | erikd | ... no. |
| 14:24:07 | George- | erikd: haha |
| 14:24:14 | erikd | :) |
| 14:24:28 | chouimat|grocery | George-: if you do a dvd player in CF format ;-P |
| 14:24:42 | erikd | it'd be awesome if you could hook up a dvd drive (or even cd) to the z |
| 14:24:46 | George- | chouimat|grocery: yas |
| 14:24:55 | George- | chouimat|grocery: get a PCMCIA dvd drive, and get a CF -> PCMCIA converter :) |
| 14:25:00 | George- | erikd: you can |
| 14:25:08 | erikd | then i could get rid of my rio volt and use the z as an mp3 cd player (but it'd play ogg too!) |
| 14:25:09 | George- | erikd: get a PCMCIA dvd drive... |
| 14:25:10 | erikd | you can? |
| 14:25:16 | George- | hehe |
| 14:25:17 | erikd | hmmmm |
| 14:25:24 | George- | <George-> chouimat|grocery: get a PCMCIA dvd drive, and get a CF -> PCMCIA converter :) |
| 14:25:29 | erikd | but how much does that cost? probably a bundle |
| 14:25:35 | George- | you'd need a lotta power though :) |
| 14:25:42 | erikd | =/ |
| 14:25:44 | erikd | blah |
| 14:26:00 | MarkNovak | I got the entire super troopers movie on my Z |
| 14:26:04 | George- | you need a converter that'll also supply the PCMCIA bus with the power for itself, 'cos the CF slot only will give 3.3v |
| 14:26:05 | MarkNovak | workin on the entire LOTR |
| 14:26:11 | George- | prpplague: ping |
| 14:26:34 | erikd | aw man.. forget that then :) |
| 14:26:48 | George- | erikd: haha |
| 14:27:07 | George- | erikd: just stating it's possible :) |
| 14:27:09 | prpplague | George-: morning |
| 14:27:16 | George- | erikd: for 2 prices - money, and power :) |
| 14:27:22 | MarkNovak | morning prpplague |
| 14:27:23 | George- | prpplague: you have a 1GB microdrive right? |
| 14:27:27 | erikd | george: possible, but close to -im-possible |
| 14:27:39 | George- | erikd: haha |
| 14:28:25 | erikd | by the time you get all the stuff you need (converters, power, drives, etc) it wouldn't really be very portable and you'd be better off taking a lappy :) |
| 14:28:38 | George- | erikd: yeh ;) |
| 14:28:45 | erikd | at least then it's all in a single package |
| 14:29:05 | George- | hah |
| 14:29:22 | George- | wonders if it's possible to have the entire LoTR on 160MB CF |
| 14:29:29 | MarkNovak | I got it on 256 |
| 14:29:33 | erikd | sure |
| 14:29:49 | George- | erikd: ok, in *decent* quality, hehe |
| 14:29:51 | erikd | you just need to crop out everything but a 10x10px block |
| 14:29:52 | erikd | oh |
| 14:29:59 | George- | LOL |
| 14:30:02 | MarkNovak | what do you mean erik? |
| 14:30:12 | MarkNovak | oh I see |
| 14:30:15 | MarkNovak | ha |
| 14:30:18 | erikd | hehe |
| 14:30:30 | prpplague | i'd like to see a cf based cd-rom drive |
| 14:30:37 | George- | I have starwars in .mpg format, the entire 2 hour movie in 650MB |
| 14:30:42 | George- | crap quality |
| 14:30:51 | George- | would be good enough on 320x240, though |
| 14:30:57 | George- | how do I convert? :) |
| 14:31:02 | prpplague | i've got a pcmcia one that i had intended on testing with a pcmcia to cf adapter |
| 14:31:11 | MarkNovak | dont keep it at 320x240 |
| 14:31:19 | erikd | one of the things i really miss when i'm using windows (and you wouldn't think this would be something big) is the thing where windows snap to other windows or the side of the screen |
| 14:31:26 | erikd | i wish they'd put that in windows |
| 14:31:30 | George- | prpplague: how long does the Z batt last with a 1GB uDrive? |
| 14:31:48 | George- | erikd: that's a KDE feature, isn't it? |
| 14:31:52 | George- | ducks |
| 14:31:55 | prpplague | George-: full usage i get about 40-50 minutes |
| 14:32:01 | George- | how do I encode it in DivX/ |
| 14:32:04 | erikd | uhh, i dunno if it's kde only? |
| 14:32:06 | George- | prpplague: holy FUCK |
| 14:32:07 | erikd | lubs kde |
| 14:32:09 | MarkNovak | thats horrible lifetime |
| 14:32:11 | George- | prpplague: that's fucking low |
| 14:32:19 | MarkNovak | thats the worst ive ever heard of |
| 14:32:26 | George- | reconsiders getting a uDrive |
| 14:32:34 | George- | scraps the idea ;) |
| 14:32:47 | erikd | what kind of batteries does the z run on? 2 AA? |
| 14:32:59 | George- | haha |
| 14:33:00 | erikd | or some lithium thing? |
| 14:33:01 | prpplague | + mine is one of the early models which as i understand it draws more power than the newer models |
| 14:33:05 | George- | erikd: 1 Li-Ion |
| 14:33:08 | erikd | ah |
| 14:33:29 | George- | prpplague: oh |
| 14:33:48 | erikd | yeah, no more stupid questions from erikd when he gets his z... so you -all- have something to look forward to when i finish the beta ;) |
| 14:33:55 | MarkNovak | 2aa would be convenient |
| 14:33:58 | George- | I want Sharp to make a larger capacity battery for the Z |
| 14:34:01 | MarkNovak | that way it could truely be mobile |
| 14:34:05 | George- | 900mAh is too low |
| 14:34:06 | MarkNovak | just carrying a pack of batteries |
| 14:34:11 | erikd | yeah |
| 14:34:20 | erikd | bye |
| 14:34:32 | prpplague | i want a laptop style case that the Z can snap into |
| 14:34:51 | George- | how do I encode DivX? |
| 14:34:56 | prpplague | i.e. bigger battery, full size keyboard |
| 14:35:06 | erikd | george: use xvid in linux |
| 14:35:06 | George- | ie - convert from mpeg1 -> DivX and resize at same time to 320x240 |
| 14:35:15 | erikd | oh |
| 14:35:18 | George- | the video is 3:4 ratio, anyway |
| 14:35:23 | George- | k |
| 14:35:24 | erikd | dunno how to do mpeg1 -> divx |
| 14:35:32 | erikd | all i know is vob -> divx |
| 14:35:33 | MarkNovak | George... let me query you |
| 14:35:35 | MarkNovak | ill set you up |
| 14:35:41 | George- | would a Celeron 700 w/320MB RAM and a 20GB hdd, would that be enough? :) |
| 14:35:44 | erikd | george: but transcode does divx encoding |
| 14:35:47 | erikd | sure |
| 14:35:50 | George- | MarkNovak: ok |
| 14:36:16 | erikd | gonna play CS with my brother |
| 14:36:23 | erikd | bbl |
| 14:37:06 | George- | any transcode users here? |
| 14:38:37 | MarkNovak | google for transcode FAQ |
| 14:38:44 | MarkNovak | I know it does |
| 14:38:48 | MarkNovak | im not sure how |
| 14:39:16 | George- | k |
| 14:41:09 | MarkNovak | lowering bitrate to like 250 kbps also lowers file size bigtime |
| 14:41:25 | George- | is 250kbps acceptable? |
| 14:41:32 | MarkNovak | viewable |
| 14:41:42 | MarkNovak | you can always encode it to a good quality, and cut it in half |
| 14:41:45 | MarkNovak | view it one half at a time |
| 14:41:51 | George- | bah, I don't care about it being viewable! :) |
| 14:42:05 | George- | hehe |
| 14:42:10 | Harlekin | tsts |
| 14:42:43 | George- | Harlekin: if you mention me being a kid again.... ;) |
| 14:43:00 | Harlekin | ? |
| 14:43:28 | MarkNovak | how old are you georgie? |
| 14:43:34 | George- | <Harlekin> tsts |
| 14:43:38 | George- | <Harlekin> kid |
| 14:43:43 | George- | MarkNovak: ARGH! |
| 14:44:22 | George- | hey chouimat |
| 14:44:35 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 14:44:54 | chouimat | MarkNovak: George- is 14 |
| 14:45:43 | George- | chouimat: bastard! |
| 14:45:49 | MarkNovak | you have a zaurus george? |
| 14:45:51 | MarkNovak | how? |
| 14:45:52 | chouimat | George-: :-p |
| 14:46:08 | George- | hits chouimat |
| 14:46:21 | George- | MarkNovak: it's a 5000d |
| 14:46:26 | George- | MarkNovak: got it cheap off ebay :) |
| 14:46:35 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 14:46:52 | George- | heh, go scream at Nadav, who's got a Zaurus and is 2 years younger than me :) |
| 14:47:41 | imm | should have 10 Z for his age |
| 14:47:45 | MarkNovak | 12?!?! |
| 14:47:56 | George- | MarkNovak: yeh |
| 14:47:58 | MarkNovak | what does a 12 year old do with a zaurus? |
| 14:48:00 | George- | MarkNovak: and he has a mac |
| 14:48:05 | George- | or something like that |
| 14:48:10 | George- | Well, I develop... |
| 14:48:22 | George- | and Nadav is a bit of a coder, I think |
| 14:48:26 | George- | I dunno :) |
| 14:48:28 | Tenchi | 12 and 14 years olds she be out bird digging chicks and banging beaver |
| 14:48:31 | Tenchi | not playing with PDAs |
| 14:48:38 | George- | ??? |
| 14:48:42 | chouimat | MarkNovak: they probabbly have to nag their parents to got them |
| 14:48:45 | Tenchi | s/digging/dogging |
| 14:48:46 | George- | Tenchi: Age-ist! :) |
| 14:48:58 | George- | Equal rights for children! |
| 14:49:19 | Tenchi | wishes he were a teen again |
| 14:49:30 | chouimat | Tenchi: and trying to get beers from the grocery :) |
| 14:49:39 | George- | kills Tenchi |
| 14:49:51 | | Tenchi is nothing but a puny petrification of fulminating snake bait. |
| 14:49:51 | George- | ibot insult Tenchi |
| 14:49:51 | Tenchi | if i could do it voer again i'd pay way more attention to the girlies than to the computers |
| 14:50:06 | | ibot is nothing but a fawning assload of sheep-biting snake snot. |
| 14:50:06 | Tenchi | ibot insult ibot |
| 14:50:08 | George- | Tenchi: haha |
| 14:50:12 | Tenchi | high-5s ibot |
| 14:50:15 | cutm | . |
| 14:50:22 | George- | LOL |
| 14:50:28 | George- | "assload" :) |
| 14:50:57 | | Tenchi is nothing but an impure ass-full of vapid squirrel guts. |
| 14:50:57 | George- | ibot insult Tenchi |
| 14:51:11 | George- | I'd better get on with my HTML editor |
| 14:51:35 | MarkNovak | george your making a app for the contest? |
| 14:51:37 | chouimat | hmm squirrel guts a very good meal |
| 14:52:04 | George- | MarkNovak: yes |
| 14:52:12 | George- | MarkNovak: are you? |
| 14:52:18 | chouimat | is eating some chinese food |
| 14:52:24 | George- | chouimat: haha |
| 14:52:36 | George- | hrmm |
| 14:52:44 | George- | chinese don't cook squirrel guts |
| 14:53:06 | MarkNovak | no |
| 14:53:37 | George- | MarkNovak: why did you want to know about the contest? |
| 14:53:40 | chouimat | George-: I know it's cat^H^Hicken |
| 14:54:08 | George- | chouimat: haha |
| 14:54:22 | George- | don't insult the chinese! :) |
| 14:57:57 | Harlekin | anybody the gdb for zaurus handy? |
| 15:01:24 | cranch|z | nobody is here |
| 15:01:26 | cranch|z | :) |
| 15:02:17 | Harlekin | mutes cranch|z |
| 15:02:42 | cranch|z | hehe |
| 15:02:50 | George- | cranch|z: yo |
| 15:02:51 | cranch|z | what is it? |
| 15:02:56 | cranch|z | hey george |
| 15:03:07 | George- | sup? |
| 15:03:15 | George- | cranch|z: on the Z? :) |
| 15:03:30 | cranch|z | sure am |
| 15:03:43 | George- | zic? |
| 15:03:46 | cranch|z | did warmi write qtopia gnuboy? |
| 15:03:49 | cranch|z | jabber |
| 15:04:51 | cranch|z | whats new |
| 15:06:00 | chouimat | imm: im cleaning my protocol lib |
| 15:06:29 | TheMasterMind1 | does gaim run on the Z? |
| 15:06:39 | cranch|z | i wish my time/date would work....it is NOT January 4th you damn Z |
| 15:06:46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:07:08 | cranch|z | not that I know of |
| 15:07:21 | George- | cranch|z: what rom? |
| 15:07:59 | cranch|z | OZ |
| 15:08:05 | cranch|z | 2.9.5.5 |
| 15:08:34 | George- | are you running ATD? |
| 15:08:38 | Cloudchaser | oz is messsed |
| 15:08:40 | Cloudchaser | with the time |
| 15:08:45 | George- | are you running ATD? |
| 15:08:52 | George- | are you running ATD? |
| 15:08:55 | cranch|z | don't think so |
| 15:08:57 | cranch|z | No |
| 15:08:57 | George- | ;) |
| 15:08:57 | George- | hehe |
| 15:08:59 | Cloudchaser | if its something i have to install then i doubt it |
| 15:09:02 | George- | if you don't know, then you aren't |
| 15:09:03 | cranch|z | No :p |
| 15:09:10 | George- | you need to run atd |
| 15:09:15 | cranch|z | how? |
| 15:09:17 | George- | run /etc/init.d/atd start :) |
| 15:09:21 | cranch|z | duh |
| 15:09:22 | cranch|z | haha |
| 15:09:27 | TheMasterMind1 | /etc/init.d/sex start |
| 15:09:30 | tux_mike | make a startup link |
| 15:09:34 | George- | atd is needed to sync between the h/w and s/w clocks |
| 15:09:38 | George- | or something |
| 15:09:41 | Cloudchaser | why isn't it runnin by default |
| 15:09:53 | Cloudchaser | and why have to run something to make the time right |
| 15:10:28 | George- | Cloudchaser: kergoth doesn't like atd |
| 15:10:28 | TheMasterMind1 | welcome to the world of linux |
| 15:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | :0) |
| 15:10:53 | cranch|z | hehe |
| 15:12:06 | George- | kicks fileBrowser.cpp |
| 15:12:51 | Cloudchaser | damn /home/root/documents is on flash on oz! |
| 15:13:26 | TheMasterMind1 | stop bitching and make your own roms |
| 15:13:26 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez |
| 15:13:37 | TheMasterMind1 | compile a kernel based on what you need too |
| 15:14:48 | Cloudchaser | it was an observation, because i didn't know |
| 15:15:03 | Cloudchaser | but you're right and i'll just go back to sharp rom and shut up |
| 15:15:15 | TheMasterMind1 | lazy bum |
| 15:15:20 | TheMasterMind1 | compile your own rom and kernel |
| 15:15:22 | Cloudchaser | excues me/ |
| 15:15:30 | Cloudchaser | you have no idea what you are talking about |
| 15:15:39 | Cloudchaser | lazy is not something i am |
| 15:15:43 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 15:16:29 | George- | Cloudchaser: everything on OZ apart from /mnt/cf, /mnt/card and /mnt/ram are all on the jffs2 internal flash |
| 15:17:29 | Cloudchaser | but there's no space left |
| 15:17:37 | Cloudchaser | documents should be on /mnt/ram |
| 15:17:43 | Cloudchaser | not on int storage |
| 15:17:47 | kergoth | no |
| 15:17:53 | kergoth | it shouldnt. |
| 15:18:01 | Cloudchaser | why not kergoth |
| 15:18:07 | Harlekin | a kergoth |
| 15:18:07 | kergoth | if it was, no one could use the zImage-32 or zImage-64 kernels, which have *no* ramdisk. |
| 15:18:16 | Harlekin | kergoth: do you have a gdb for OZ? |
| 15:18:19 | Harlekin | or better |
| 15:18:22 | Harlekin | retail rom |
| 15:18:27 | kergoth | Harlekin: i usually swipe gdb from the skiffs :-) |
| 15:18:39 | Cloudchaser | oh i see |
| 15:18:52 | Harlekin | kergoth: that gave somebody a bus error |
| 15:20:24 | George- | kergoth: heya |
| 15:20:50 | George- | kergoth: yay, thanks for supporting the -32 and -64 guys :) |
| 15:20:52 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the proper solution is for OZ to have a initial boot wizard, a gui to do the initial configuration ... 1) Where would you like your Application configuration, settings, and Documents? a) ram, b) flash, c)cf, d) sd ...etc. |
| 15:21:07 | Cloudchaser | s'ok kergoth i didn't realize |
| 15:21:14 | Cloudchaser | i have to put stuff on /mnt/ram |
| 15:21:15 | kergoth | np |
| 15:21:26 | Cloudchaser | i'll put it in the docs too |
| 15:21:30 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 15:21:40 | George- | kergoth: btw - I got opieplayer2 working on OZ on a 5000D |
| 15:21:41 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: just symlink /root/Documents to /mnt/ram |
| 15:22:00 | kergoth | George-: nice. i hadnt tested it on a 5000d yet. work well? |
| 15:22:10 | Cloudchaser | qtdesktop doesn't give option for ram |
| 15:22:12 | George- | kergoth: damn well |
| 15:22:13 | kergoth | Cloudchaser, cranchy_: atd does start by default, btw. |
| 15:22:13 | Cloudchaser | just for cf and sd |
| 15:22:26 | George- | kergoth: but apparently the 32MB kernel is the only one that'll work |
| 15:22:28 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: symlink it. then documents will go to ram regardless. |
| 15:22:31 | George- | kergoth: due to memory issues |
| 15:22:34 | kergoth | George-: nice. |
| 15:22:37 | Harlekin | kergoth: George- has a changed 5000 |
| 15:22:45 | Cloudchaser | still not keeping time kergoth |
| 15:22:47 | George- | kergoth: I've successfully played a 6MB divx on it :) |
| 15:22:57 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:22:59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: mine does |
| 15:23:01 | George- | kergoth: and had 20MB ram used, 0.5MB free, and 10MB cached |
| 15:23:03 | Cloudchaser | most documents i want to go to cf or sd, just testing something for harklekng from ram |
| 15:23:08 | kergoth | Cloudchaser, cranchy_: I cant seem to reproduce the time problem.. its odd |
| 15:23:24 | Cloudchaser | mine says 7;47 pm |
| 15:23:34 | Cloudchaser | wed jan 2 2002 |
| 15:23:40 | kergoth | yes i know what it says |
| 15:23:40 | Cloudchaser | i set it twice yesterday |
| 15:23:48 | kergoth | I've heard reports of this problem from like 12 people |
| 15:23:51 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 15:23:54 | kergoth | and I still cant reproduce it |
| 15:24:40 | George- | disconnected |
| 15:24:44 | George- | kergoth: and had 20MB ram used, 0.5MB free, and 10MB cached |
| 15:24:56 | kergoth | George-: not bad |
| 15:25:11 | George- | kergoth: this is Harlekin's build from yesterday |
| 15:25:30 | George- | btw - those memory figures are from playing a DivX 6MB (lotr section) |
| 15:25:44 | prpplague | kergoth: got a fun week next week, headed to nassau to take over 3 stores running a competetors systems, all with digi |
| 15:25:59 | kergoth | prpplague: oh joy.. |
| 15:26:05 | kergoth | prpplague: :) have a good time |
| 15:26:20 | prpplague | kergoth: unixware, and they have no passwords |
| 15:26:41 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:26:56 | kergoth | curses unixware and ttymon to the depths of hell |
| 15:27:02 | kergoth | goes to get some coffee |
| 15:27:18 | prpplague | ahh, sounds good |
| 15:27:24 | cranchy_ | kerogth: my time is messed up..says January 4th |
| 15:27:26 | cranchy_ | HAHAHA |
| 15:27:26 | prpplague | goes to get some coffee |
| 15:27:27 | cranchy_ | :) |
| 15:31:26 | George- | thrashes self several times with a saucepan |
| 15:32:12 | George- | hey mark |
| 15:34:18 | cranchy_ | george..now what after running atd? |
| 15:37:45 | George- | cranchy_: Just set the time, and it'll stay |
| 15:41:21 | MarkNovak | hey mark |
| 15:41:27 | MarkNovak | mark |
| 15:42:11 | cranchy_ | do I have to start ATD everytime I reboot my Z |
| 15:42:24 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 15:42:34 | Rince | re |
| 15:42:40 | George- | cranchy_: it's a daemon.. |
| 15:42:41 | Rince | re |
| 15:42:45 | cranchy_ | I was thinking that |
| 15:42:51 | cranchy_ | but how do you set it to start on boot |
| 15:43:05 | cranchy_ | nevermind |
| 15:43:07 | cranchy_ | I found it |
| 15:43:08 | cranchy_ | hehe |
| 15:43:10 | cranchy_ | I should look first |
| 15:43:10 | cranchy_ | :) |
| 15:43:19 | cranchy_ | gotta go eat...be back later... thanks again |
| 15:48:06 | George- | ARGH! |
| 15:48:11 | George- | Opie is spamming me! :) |
| 15:48:26 | George- | I'm getting literally hundreds of messages saying "There is enough memory again" |
| 15:48:27 | George- | hehe |
| 15:50:03 | imm | why does QMessageBox::information( this,foo ); not work if this is a QMainWidget ? |
| 15:54:09 | Teax | imm: QMessageBox::information(this, "title", "text") |
| 15:54:59 | imm | Teax: thanks ! :) |
| 15:57:28 | kybu | o4ek hi |
| 15:57:31 | kybu | :) |
| 15:57:32 | o4ek | kybu: hi men :) |
| 15:57:39 | George- | 'lo |
| 15:58:09 | kybu | o4ek is dude, which wants to buy Z because of the gnuboy :) |
| 15:58:12 | MarkNovak | ich habe Oestereich gewohnt |
| 15:58:20 | o4ek | kybu: yeah :) |
| 15:58:24 | MarkNovak | o4ek |
| 15:58:28 | MarkNovak | theres a new emulator |
| 15:58:30 | MarkNovak | faster than gnuboy |
| 15:58:30 | o4ek | kybu: an cos It's lnx powred PDA :) |
| 15:58:46 | Kento | MarkNovak: how much faster? |
| 15:58:50 | MarkNovak | theres a new emulator in town |
| 15:58:50 | o4ek | MarkNovak: huh - 4 an moment I du not have Z :( |
| 15:58:53 | MarkNovak | almost real time |
| 15:58:59 | Kento | i want it |
| 15:58:59 | MarkNovak | german? |
| 15:58:59 | Kento | :D |
| 15:59:04 | George- | o4ek: Qtopia GNU boy is a bit sluggish |
| 15:59:07 | kybu | kento www.killefiz.de |
| 15:59:12 | MarkNovak | extremely sluggish |
| 15:59:13 | Kento | danke |
| 15:59:17 | o4ek | George-: ok :) |
| 15:59:22 | kybu | warmi made one |
| 15:59:22 | George- | hehe |
| 15:59:25 | kybu | optimizet it |
| 15:59:27 | George- | did he? |
| 15:59:32 | | i guess gnuboy is http://www.slac.com/~mpilone/projects/qtopiagnuboy.phtml and http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/gnuboy.shtml |
| 15:59:32 | George- | ibot gnuboy |
| 15:59:39 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 15:59:41 | MarkNovak | hes a good guesser |
| 15:59:50 | George- | ;) |
| 15:59:58 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 15:59:58 | o4ek | ibot How are You ? |
| 16:00:10 | o4ek | all: :) I have better one :) |
| 16:00:10 | MarkNovak | stupid bot |
| 16:00:15 | | Sorry, MarkNovak, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 16:00:15 | MarkNovak | ibot: shutup |
| 16:00:18 | George- | o4ek: ? |
| 16:00:36 | | MarkNovak is nothing but a wretched assload of pickled chicken piss. |
| 16:00:36 | George- | ibot insult MarkNovak |
| 16:00:36 | MarkNovak | o4ek, numatrix made a cool one |
| 16:00:36 | o4ek | George-: :) nothing , I have one "ChatterBot project" :) |
| 16:00:36 | MarkNovak | thats whast I use |
| 16:00:39 | | ibot is nothing but a spongy tongueful of weasel-smelling entrails. |
| 16:00:39 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: insult ibot |
| 16:00:43 | | MarkNovak is nothing but a foul heap of common-kissing gunk. |
| 16:00:43 | George- | ibot insult MarkNovak |
| 16:00:44 | | MarkNovak is nothing but a spongy gob of pox-marked dog vomit. |
| 16:00:44 | George- | ibot insult MarkNovak |
| 16:00:44 | | MarkNovak is nothing but a weedy enema-bucketful of impure anal warts. |
| 16:00:44 | George- | ibot insult MarkNovak |
| 16:00:45 | George- | ;) |
| 16:00:46 | MarkNovak | stop |
| 16:00:55 | George- | I ownz j00 |
| 16:01:01 | MarkNovak | yeah ok kid |
| 16:01:02 | o4ek | MarkNovak: can be :) |
| 16:01:21 | George- | MarkNovak: oiy |
| 16:01:23 | MarkNovak | can be? |
| 16:01:28 | George- | MarkNovak: don't call me a kid, ass |
| 16:01:32 | o4ek | 19:06 < MarkNovak> o4ek, numatrix made a cool one |
| 16:01:38 | MarkNovak | George- dont act like a kid |
| 16:01:38 | George- | chouimat|coding: I'll kill you someday! |
| 16:01:43 | George- | MarkNovak: bah |
| 16:02:06 | George- | I'm coding - sorta away |
| 16:02:08 | MarkNovak | hey George, I think this server has a nice nickelodean chat for kids your age |
| 16:02:10 | MarkNovak | AHAHAHA |
| 16:02:12 | o4ek | all: okay - I must go to meeting, bye :) |
| 16:02:12 | Kento | now all i hafta do is get a kernel capable of synching with the zaurus :| |
| 16:02:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Kento: i found something about a kernel module you can just load and have it working |
| 16:02:35 | TheMasterMind1 | it makes a usb0 device |
| 16:02:41 | George- | MarkNovak: fuck you |
| 16:02:41 | TheMasterMind1 | that you can give an ip etc |
| 16:02:43 | Kento | usbdnet |
| 16:02:47 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 16:02:48 | TheMasterMind1 | that's it |
| 16:02:49 | Kento | i have that |
| 16:02:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 16:02:57 | Kento | but my usb-uhci is busted i think |
| 16:03:02 | TheMasterMind1 | isee |
| 16:03:32 | prpplague | MarkNovak / George- : now now guys, lets be civil |
| 16:03:40 | George- | yo prpplague |
| 16:03:49 | MarkNovak | prpplague: okie doke |
| 16:04:16 | | it has been said that zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 16:04:16 | MarkNovak | ibot: zsi |
| 16:04:23 | George- | cats /dev/urandom into MarkNovak's ear |
| 16:04:24 | | de rien MarkNovak |
| 16:04:24 | MarkNovak | ibot: thanks |
| 16:04:33 | MarkNovak | de rien? |
| 16:04:36 | MarkNovak | what language is that? |
| 16:04:49 | Harlekin | french |
| 16:04:57 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 16:05:04 | Harlekin | "youre welcome" |
| 16:05:05 | | de nada MarkNovak |
| 16:05:05 | MarkNovak | ibot: thanks |
| 16:05:11 | George- | LOL |
| 16:05:13 | | MarkNovak: bitte |
| 16:05:13 | MarkNovak | ibot: thanks |
| 16:05:17 | MarkNovak | german |
| 16:05:24 | | George-: de nada |
| 16:05:24 | George- | ibot thanks |
| 16:05:25 | | George-: no problem |
| 16:05:25 | George- | ibot thanks |
| 16:05:28 | George- | ok |
| 16:05:30 | MarkNovak | only 4 |
| 16:05:46 | MarkNovak | Harlekin, parle vou francious? |
| 16:05:52 | Harlekin | petit peux |
| 16:05:59 | | Harlekin: what? |
| 16:05:59 | Harlekin | ibot: danke |
| 16:06:00 | MarkNovak | yeah I have no clue what you just said |
| 16:06:10 | | MarkNovak: what? |
| 16:06:10 | MarkNovak | ibot: vielen dank |
| 16:06:33 | MarkNovak | Pepe le Peux |
| 16:07:28 | MarkNovak | somehow when playing my emulator, it gave me an fps reading, and I lost a life on super mario |
| 16:07:31 | MarkNovak | im pissed off now |
| 16:07:57 | TheMasterMind1 | how sad |
| 16:07:59 | MarkNovak | I was on the whale level |
| 16:08:01 | TheMasterMind1 | go cry in a corner |
| 16:08:09 | MarkNovak | goes to cry in corner |
| 16:08:51 | MarkNovak | whats a good compiler for the Z? |
| 16:08:57 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't we go over this?! |
| 16:08:59 | TheMasterMind1 | gcc |
| 16:09:03 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez |
| 16:09:04 | TheMasterMind1 | now gimme a zaurus |
| 16:09:12 | MarkNovak | ok |
| 16:09:20 | MarkNovak | how many would you like? |
| 16:09:26 | TheMasterMind1 | 1 |
| 16:09:29 | MarkNovak | ok |
| 16:09:33 | MarkNovak | I only have 5500s is that ok? |
| 16:09:43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 16:10:11 | MarkNovak | ok |
| 16:10:16 | George- | yeh, can i have a 5500? :) |
| 16:10:19 | George- | lol |
| 16:10:20 | MarkNovak | ill need a shipping address and cc number |
| 16:10:26 | George- | cc? |
| 16:10:29 | TheMasterMind1 | gimme a zaurus and i'll get my school to upgrade our solaris machine |
| 16:10:30 | George- | you're charging for it? :) |
| 16:10:39 | MarkNovak | ;) |
| 16:10:42 | MarkNovak | slowaris you mean? |
| 16:10:47 | MarkNovak | werent you making fun of it yesterday? |
| 16:10:52 | TheMasterMind1 | alright. 265439283414 |
| 16:10:53 | George- | LOL |
| 16:10:59 | TheMasterMind1 | 2/04 |
| 16:11:07 | George- | TheMasterMind1: if that's true, you're a bloody moron |
| 16:11:08 | MarkNovak | allright |
| 16:11:16 | MarkNovak | its not even the right amount of numbers |
| 16:11:17 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 16:11:21 | TheMasterMind1 | ;) |
| 16:11:29 | George- | lol |
| 16:11:35 | George- | MarkNovak: gimme a Z! : |
| 16:11:36 | George- | :) |
| 16:11:48 | MarkNovak | gimme a break |
| 16:11:55 | MarkNovak | break me off a piece of that kit kat bar |
| 16:11:56 | TheMasterMind1 | goes to program some php |
| 16:12:00 | George- | gives MarkNovak a break |
| 16:12:03 | MarkNovak | where can I get gcc? |
| 16:12:06 | George- | gets MarkNovak a kit-kat bar |
| 16:12:14 | George- | MarkNovak: I'll tell you if you gimme a 5500! :) |
| 16:12:21 | MarkNovak | thats not a fair trade... |
| 16:12:25 | George- | yeh it is! |
| 16:12:27 | George- | lol |
| 16:12:29 | prpplague | MarkNovak: most linux dists install gcc with the dist |
| 16:12:44 | MarkNovak | not my dist |
| 16:13:13 | MarkNovak | so... |
| 16:13:16 | MarkNovak | can I get a link or what? |
| 16:13:18 | MarkNovak | im on a windows bocx |
| 16:13:19 | MarkNovak | box |
| 16:13:28 | TheMasterMind1 | gcc for win? |
| 16:13:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 16:13:34 | George- | gimme a 5500! |
| 16:13:34 | George- | :) |
| 16:13:40 | MarkNovak | no such thing? |
| 16:13:50 | prpplague | only cygwin |
| 16:13:57 | MarkNovak | can I possibly code something in a windows C compiler? |
| 16:14:02 | MarkNovak | cygwin eh? |
| 16:14:12 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: do you know c? |
| 16:14:21 | MarkNovak | klar |
| 16:14:26 | MarkNovak | that means, of course |
| 16:14:31 | chouimat|coding | prpplague: mingw32 too |
| 16:14:54 | TheMasterMind1 | you know c, yet you lack any knowledge of c compilers? |
| 16:15:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i find that very questionable |
| 16:15:03 | MarkNovak | thats accurate |
| 16:15:08 | MarkNovak | I find that an accurate assessment |
| 16:15:18 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: thats the m$ legacy |
| 16:15:33 | MarkNovak | yeah |
| 16:16:15 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: alright then, what does malloc() do? |
| 16:16:32 | George- | chouimat|coding: where's these screenies of the nessus client? |
| 16:16:56 | MarkNovak | multicast... address... allocation? |
| 16:16:58 | MarkNovak | I dont know |
| 16:17:02 | chouimat|coding | MarkNovak: www.mingw.org |
| 16:17:13 | chouimat|coding | George-: coming |
| 16:17:18 | chouimat|coding | George-: soon |
| 16:17:19 | MarkNovak | chouimat|coding: gracius |
| 16:17:21 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: lol |
| 16:17:27 | George- | chouimat|coding: it's been well over 6 hours! :) |
| 16:17:43 | chouimat|coding | George-: shaddup |
| 16:17:50 | MarkNovak | TheMasterMind1: that is funny? |
| 16:17:57 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: i thought you knew c? |
| 16:18:25 | MarkNovak | TheMasterMind1: not too well? |
| 16:18:30 | MarkNovak | im a web designer |
| 16:18:42 | MarkNovak | I told you this |
| 16:18:50 | MarkNovak | and you then said "I am a web developer at black gecko" |
| 16:19:22 | MarkNovak | so I went to the black gecko web page, and had a good laugh at the 'portfolio' section |
| 16:19:22 | MarkNovak | haha |
| 16:20:30 | MarkNovak | an underscore after nick |
| 16:20:32 | MarkNovak | does that mean away? |
| 16:20:35 | George- | chouimat|coding: blah |
| 16:21:10 | MarkNovak | I dropped my Zaurus yesterday |
| 16:21:13 | MarkNovak | getting out of my car |
| 16:21:15 | MarkNovak | it hit the pavement |
| 16:21:40 | MarkNovak | I threw it out, went to my basement, and unpackaged another |
| 16:21:41 | MarkNovak | haaha |
| 16:21:55 | George- | kergoth`work: you here? |
| 16:22:01 | | kergoth`work was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 18 hours, 40 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: goes home [Fri Aug 16 22:41:38 2002] |
| 16:22:01 | MarkNovak | ibot: seen kergoth`work |
| 16:22:05 | MarkNovak | no |
| 16:22:07 | bbeattie | Anyone know of a tutorial for how to re-encode mpeg files for 320x240 res? |
| 16:22:11 | MarkNovak | YES |
| 16:22:17 | MarkNovak | ill just tell you ok? |
| 16:22:21 | George- | MarkNovak: shut up ;) |
| 16:22:35 | MarkNovak | go to http://www.virtualdub.org |
| 16:22:38 | MarkNovak | download the newest build |
| 16:22:50 | nasa | How about for linux? |
| 16:22:52 | George- | MarkNovak: Not everyone here uses Windows!!!!! |
| 16:22:59 | MarkNovak | stops in tracks |
| 16:23:00 | MarkNovak | oh yeah |
| 16:23:02 | MarkNovak | sorry your fucked |
| 16:23:20 | MarkNovak | get 'transcode' |
| 16:24:11 | George- | MarkNovak: LOL |
| 16:24:14 | George- | yo mdz |
| 16:24:39 | prpplague | mdz_: ! |
| 16:25:01 | mdz_ | hello |
| 16:25:08 | prpplague | mdz_: dude, how goes your debian Z work? |
| 16:25:24 | MarkNovak | hi [DrEvil] |
| 16:25:24 | George- | hrmm, that reminds me |
| 16:25:30 | [DrEvil] | hi |
| 16:25:30 | George- | I haven't tried debian/Z for a while |
| 16:25:30 | prpplague | mdz_: have you attached the frontlight issue yet? |
| 16:25:40 | [DrEvil] | what did you people do with kergoth |
| 16:25:48 | MarkNovak | im watching a simpsons episode on my Z |
| 16:25:50 | MarkNovak | I have 4 on it |
| 16:26:13 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: we tied him up and made him watch 12 hours of digi training videos |
| 16:26:30 | George- | [DrEvil]: we ate him |
| 16:26:31 | mdz_ | prpplague: no, haven't touched it. what's the issue? |
| 16:26:51 | [DrEvil] | dangit |
| 16:27:22 | prpplague | mdz_: nothing major, just that the /dev/fl is ioctl only, fastolfe on hist zapmd apparently added a feature to control the fl |
| 16:27:39 | chouimat|coding | prpplague: how to use Visual C++? |
| 16:27:54 | prpplague | chouimat|coding: argh, don't ask me |
| 16:28:02 | mdz_ | prpplague: it seems to turn off and on at a reasonable interval by default, so I haven't felt the need to mess with it so far |
| 16:28:03 | prpplague | is VERY anti-m$ |
| 16:28:14 | chouimat|coding | prpplague: the training video :) |
| 16:28:16 | George- | is VERY anti-prpplague |
| 16:28:23 | George- | *g* |
| 16:29:00 | prpplague | mdz_: true, but i like to turn of the fl when it light enough to conserver battery life |
| 16:31:30 | George- | is VERY anti-AOL |
| 16:31:39 | erikd | back |
| 16:31:47 | George- | yo erikd |
| 16:31:50 | erikd | heya |
| 16:31:59 | erikd | i pwned my brother so much he gave up :) |
| 16:32:00 | prpplague | chouimat|coding: ohh, i wouldn't torture someone like that, seems like there are internation treaties against that kind of thing |
| 16:32:08 | erikd | went 8-2 on one map and 10-1 on the other |
| 16:32:23 | prpplague | George-: anti-prpplague? |
| 16:32:45 | George- | prpplague: just kidding :) |
| 16:32:51 | prpplague | George-: ahh |
| 16:33:15 | George- | prpplague: No we love you really! |
| 16:33:23 | George- | (not) |
| 16:33:52 | erikd | speak for yourself! |
| 16:34:00 | erikd | lubs prpplague |
| 16:34:04 | George- | what signal is emitted when you press the "OK" button on a QDialog? |
| 16:34:07 | George- | erikd: hahaha |
| 16:34:14 | erikd | QDialog returns 1 |
| 16:34:21 | George- | errrr...? |
| 16:34:22 | erikd | from exec() |
| 16:35:04 | George- | erm |
| 16:35:04 | erikd | returnVal = dlg->exec(); would return 1 for ok, 0 for cancel, 3 for yes, 4 for no |
| 16:35:07 | erikd | err |
| 16:35:08 | erikd | no |
| 16:35:11 | erikd | that's QMessageBox |
| 16:35:12 | George- | is there any way of overloading that? |
| 16:35:14 | erikd | but anyway :) |
| 16:35:22 | erikd | not sure |
| 16:35:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:35:42 | TheMasterMind1 | debian on the Z? |
| 16:35:43 | TheMasterMind1 | who runs that |
| 16:35:48 | MarkNovak | me |
| 16:36:04 | George- | MarkNovak: you run Debian?! |
| 16:36:08 | George- | used to run it |
| 16:36:12 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: mdz is |
| 16:36:12 | erikd | debian++ |
| 16:36:27 | MarkNovak | George- yes yes |
| 16:36:30 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 16:36:30 | prpplague | ibot: debian on z |
| 16:36:41 | | rumour has it debian is a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) or very cool or the best thing since sliced macaroni and cheese |
| 16:36:41 | MarkNovak | ibot: debian |
| 16:36:49 | George- | LOL |
| 16:36:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:36:59 | George- | MarkNovak: cool, what's it like on the 5500? |
| 16:37:01 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 16:37:01 | prpplague | ibot: debian on z is http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ |
| 16:37:01 | TheMasterMind1 | how well does it run on the Z? |
| 16:37:06 | | debian on z is http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ |
| 16:37:06 | prpplague | ibot: debian on z |
| 16:38:22 | George- | TheMasterMind1: still in it's early stages |
| 16:38:28 | scribe | Hey guys. |
| 16:38:36 | scribe | I'm running OpenZaurus now. |
| 16:38:50 | XavierXeon | is testing zic |
| 16:39:05 | scribe | it fixes my problems with the 128 meg sandisk SDRAM kindof |
| 16:39:08 | kybu | is running gameboy emulator |
| 16:39:08 | kybu | :) |
| 16:39:09 | MarkNovak | is saying zic is no good |
| 16:39:13 | Cloudchaser | you have it running on oz XavierXeon? |
| 16:39:24 | XavierXeon | not atm |
| 16:39:27 | scribe | I still am not convinced it works well yet. It's VERY slow. Like 10k a second |
| 16:39:52 | MarkNovak | is playing SuperMario2.gb |
| 16:40:00 | MarkNovak | on z |
| 16:40:02 | treke|home | scribe: are you downloading something? |
| 16:40:15 | scribe | nope, just trying to install to the sdram |
| 16:40:30 | scribe | and I can bring up system info and watch the space get smaller |
| 16:40:34 | scribe | and it is very slow |
| 16:40:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i like gpe |
| 16:40:55 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk owns |
| 16:41:02 | MarkNovak | was ist das? |
| 16:41:03 | scribe | treke|home: I made the fs ext2. maybe that is causing the problem |
| 16:41:18 | scribe | treke|home: somewhere I saw that it was recommended it be vfat |
| 16:41:22 | erikd | themastermind1: are you crazy? |
| 16:41:27 | erikd | gtk is terrible :) |
| 16:41:44 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk owns |
| 16:41:53 | erikd | i like qt more |
| 16:42:01 | scribe | treke|home: but I hoped to install a full OZ system on it. Which doesn't seem like it would work with symlinks and the sort |
| 16:42:03 | TheMasterMind1 | qt is icky |
| 16:42:09 | bbeattie | anyone have an url(s) for ebooks for the Z? |
| 16:42:09 | erikd | noooo |
| 16:42:13 | erikd | qt is great |
| 16:42:21 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie: what ebook software are you using? |
| 16:42:27 | mark | TheMasterMind1: erm.... |
| 16:42:45 | Harlekin | mark: just ignore himn |
| 16:43:04 | mark | Harlekin: heh |
| 16:43:11 | bbeattie | TheMasterMind1: None right now, I have some ebooks I got for my ipaq a year or so ago before I sold it, so I'd like to read those again. |
| 16:43:26 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: you not a qt fan either? |
| 16:43:57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:44:11 | scribe | bbeattie: not sure what format they are in, but you can grab out reader at: http://www.crosswire.org/qpsword |
| 16:44:37 | scribe | bbeattie: there are tons of books and easy utilities to convert new books |
| 16:45:46 | chouimat|coding | imm: I'm dcc'ing the screenshot |
| 16:45:49 | MarkNovak | is having trouble beating the octobus boss |
| 16:45:56 | MarkNovak | on supermario |
| 16:47:05 | chouimat|coding | George-: check you email |
| 16:47:40 | George- | k |
| 16:48:13 | chouimat|coding | imm: ping -f |
| 16:49:02 | MarkNovak | hey dudes |
| 16:49:13 | MarkNovak | where was that website that showed how to get replacement boot screans on the Z" |
| 16:49:14 | MarkNovak | ? |
| 16:49:26 | chouimat|coding | George-: so? |
| 16:49:28 | George- | chouimat|coding: nice |
| 16:49:41 | chouimat|coding | George-: usable? |
| 16:49:50 | George- | yeh, looks like it |
| 16:50:05 | George- | That Keramik window style gets in the way :) |
| 16:50:28 | erikd | marknovak: http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php#12 |
| 16:50:35 | chouimat|coding | George-: hehe |
| 16:50:40 | | ljp was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: my cat just sat on my vercel board [Sat Aug 17 15:33:33 2002] |
| 16:50:40 | George- | ibot seen ljp |
| 16:50:54 | MarkNovak | erikd |
| 16:50:56 | MarkNovak | you wanna play some CS? |
| 16:51:11 | erikd | maybe later. i'm compiling a kernel |
| 16:51:18 | erikd | stick around, though |
| 16:51:26 | George- | Counter Strike? |
| 16:51:41 | erikd | www.counter-strike.net |
| 16:51:43 | erikd | don't tell me you haven't heard of it!#@$ |
| 16:52:02 | MarkNovak | erikk |
| 16:52:11 | MarkNovak | erikd: im ranked 3rd best in CS on the east coast |
| 16:52:25 | erikd | which clan are you in? |
| 16:52:27 | George- | erikd: Of course I've heard of it, dammit |
| 16:52:32 | George- | MarkNovak: you sad sad person |
| 16:52:32 | MarkNovak | no clan |
| 16:52:33 | George- | ;) |
| 16:52:36 | MarkNovak | I was in |FD| |
| 16:52:44 | MarkNovak | heard of them? |
| 16:52:45 | erikd | haven't heard of FD :) |
| 16:52:47 | erikd | nope |
| 16:52:48 | George- | but then again, I spend 90% of my life playing StarCraft... |
| 16:52:49 | MarkNovak | gasps |
| 16:53:01 | MarkNovak | is that 9zero or 9eight |
| 16:53:09 | erikd | zero |
| 16:53:11 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 16:53:12 | MarkNovak | good |
| 16:53:14 | MarkNovak | I was gonna say |
| 16:53:23 | George- | MarkNovak: 98 |
| 16:53:23 | MarkNovak | 98 would be a bit extreme |
| 16:53:33 | MarkNovak | erikd, would you like to play? |
| 16:53:38 | erikd | yeah |
| 16:53:40 | erikd | but later |
| 16:53:40 | George- | MarkNovak: ok ok, only 60% :) |
| 16:53:46 | erikd | still compiling |
| 16:53:51 | MarkNovak | ok |
| 16:53:53 | MarkNovak | im telling you |
| 16:53:55 | erikd | i'm trying to get my dvd ripping box up and running :) |
| 16:53:57 | MarkNovak | ill beat you, even though im on 56k |
| 16:54:03 | erikd | heh |
| 16:54:08 | erikd | i'm not too bad :) |
| 16:54:09 | George- | LOL |
| 16:54:13 | George- | MarkNovak: you suck! |
| 16:54:27 | George- | MarkNovak: I'll challenge you to a game of Civilisation! :) |
| 16:54:30 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 16:54:32 | MarkNovak | thats not multiplayer |
| 16:54:38 | MarkNovak | the fact that I know that makes me a supernerd |
| 16:54:39 | George- | CivCTP is... |
| 16:55:00 | scribe | Anyone answer a question (suggestions maybe) regarding OpenZaurus? |
| 16:55:00 | George- | has CivCTP for Linux |
| 16:55:05 | erikd | mark: hardly |
| 16:55:14 | MarkNovak | ask my any question about CS |
| 16:55:17 | MarkNovak | its disgusting |
| 16:55:25 | MarkNovak | I know the gun sequences by memory |
| 16:55:27 | George- | MarkNovak: I used to play civ for 3 years non stop :) |
| 16:55:29 | MarkNovak | deagle, 1, 3 |
| 16:55:31 | George- | (just about) |
| 16:55:32 | erikd | oh |
| 16:55:33 | erikd | pfft |
| 16:55:35 | XavierXeon_ | i guess 42 is the answer |
| 16:55:38 | erikd | sig! |
| 16:55:44 | erikd | 4, 2 :) |
| 16:55:46 | MarkNovak | 4, 2 |
| 16:55:47 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 16:55:48 | George- | XavierXeon_: You're THAT, again? :) |
| 16:55:52 | MarkNovak | <high five> |
| 16:56:10 | MarkNovak | youd think I could use this sort of memory for something useful you know? |
| 16:56:10 | XavierXeon_ | George-: ??? |
| 16:56:20 | erikd | uses it to program |
| 16:56:31 | George- | XavierXeon_: heh, I hate that number :) |
| 16:56:31 | MarkNovak | uses it to web |
| 16:56:41 | cranchy_ | I want movies in DivX format for my Z :( |
| 16:56:47 | XavierXeon | George-: why ? |
| 16:56:55 | cranchy_ | I should puy my XP1700 to use |
| 16:57:00 | MarkNovak | erikd: I once posted on the cs.net forums that id make flash pages for clans willing to pay |
| 16:57:07 | MarkNovak | I got 600 email responses |
| 16:57:11 | erikd | eh? |
| 16:57:12 | George- | XavierXeon: it's so stupid :) |
| 16:57:13 | erikd | jeez |
| 16:57:22 | MarkNovak | CS has a large following |
| 16:57:26 | MarkNovak | its like a cult |
| 16:57:36 | George- | Blizzard games rock |
| 16:57:54 | XavierXeon | notes that 10e-42 is the plank time |
| 16:58:17 | erikd | i've gotten quite a few emails about hlbot |
| 16:58:28 | erikd | lots of 'em are suggestions for stuff to add in the future |
| 16:59:09 | MarkNovak | hlbot is one of the most popular I believe |
| 16:59:11 | MarkNovak | swatbot? |
| 16:59:17 | MarkNovak | I dont like bots, they hack too much |
| 16:59:19 | MarkNovak | they always know im there |
| 16:59:27 | erikd | nooo, not that kind of bot |
| 16:59:30 | erikd | it's an irc bot |
| 16:59:34 | MarkNovak | .... |
| 16:59:43 | erikd | it says what's happening on the servers |
| 16:59:45 | MarkNovak | what are you trying to say? |
| 16:59:48 | MarkNovak | ooohhh |
| 16:59:50 | MarkNovak | like admin-mod |
| 16:59:54 | erikd | it's kinda like HLSW but it's for linux |
| 16:59:57 | erikd | and it's a bot |
| 16:59:58 | MarkNovak | I dig |
| 17:02:20 | prpplague | anyone know where in the oz buildroot the cvs logins are stored? i mistyped the handhelds.org anoncvs and now buildroot won't let me re-enter it |
| 17:03:41 | cranchy_ | anyone know where to download gameboy roms? |
| 17:04:00 | [DrEvil] | they are stored in your home directory |
| 17:04:03 | [DrEvil] | .cvspass |
| 17:04:08 | cranchy_ | or can you make them off of the cartridges? |
| 17:05:14 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: thanks |
| 17:06:42 | chouimat|coding | imm: P I N G |
| 17:07:49 | Kento | hmm |
| 17:10:13 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: can't believe it, my matchbox.mk worked the first time |
| 17:10:33 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 17:10:35 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 17:10:57 | Kento | well |
| 17:11:00 | Kento | hotplug 'works' |
| 17:11:47 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: i usually have to tinker with a new .mk a little before it works... |
| 17:12:08 | [DrEvil] | looks around for kergoth |
| 17:15:42 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: kergoth sneaked out for a cup of joe |
| 17:15:58 | [DrEvil] | um yeah |
| 17:16:53 | vforge37 | hello all |
| 17:16:56 | warmi | hi |
| 17:17:13 | vforge37 | how's it going in here today? |
| 17:18:20 | warmi | cranch " looking for game boy rooms ? try :http://www.ciudadfutura.com/gamesworld/gameboy.html |
| 17:18:46 | vforge37 | anyway, could someone tell me if there's another e-mail client for oz other than those two in the feeds? |
| 17:18:47 | prpplague | vforge37: slower than crack sales at a sunday church bake sale |
| 17:18:51 | Harlekin | warmi: sure that its legal? |
| 17:18:52 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:19:01 | vforge37 | hehe :) |
| 17:19:09 | vforge37 | well it depends which church you go to... |
| 17:19:14 | warmi | Harlekin I don't know but I do have a real game boy so I am covered :-) |
| 17:19:22 | vforge37 | I know some churches down here in the ghetto side of Miami that... |
| 17:19:32 | vforge37 | ;) |
| 17:19:37 | warmi | hehee |
| 17:20:14 | vforge37 | so warmi, do you have any idea if I can get another e-mail client going in oz? maybe the sharp one? |
| 17:20:29 | vforge37 | I just need something that handles imap and pop3 well |
| 17:20:39 | warmi | vforge37 I have no clue ... I know the Kompany is working on tckMail |
| 17:20:55 | vforge37 | I see |
| 17:21:03 | warmi | I don't use my Z as a pda :-) |
| 17:21:09 | warmi | I use it as a mini computer |
| 17:21:22 | vforge37 | well that's what I'm using it as now |
| 17:21:30 | prpplague | warmi: me too |
| 17:21:32 | vforge37 | but if I can't check my imap and pop3 accounts, I'm screwed |
| 17:21:34 | warmi | I don't have wireless for it yet so email app is useless for me |
| 17:21:45 | prpplague | warmi: if only the z had a 640x480 screen |
| 17:21:49 | vforge37 | well I don't have wireless either, but my plan is... |
| 17:22:01 | warmi | prpplague yeah hehe |
| 17:22:07 | vforge37 | to get back to school and use this in class as my mp3 player/e-mail/internet browser for when things get boring |
| 17:22:18 | vforge37 | and make the most of the sweet 802.11b connection there |
| 17:22:47 | vforge37 | of course, if the e-mail's not working, I'm kind of screwed into using the zaurus |
| 17:22:58 | vforge37 | I mean, the regular sharp zaurus |
| 17:23:18 | MarkNovak | DAMN |
| 17:23:21 | warmi | vforge37 :have you tried lisa-mail ? |
| 17:23:26 | MarkNovak | can I get that replacement startup screen link again |
| 17:23:48 | Harlekin | warmi: plans one zooming? |
| 17:24:16 | vforge37 | no I haven't tried it, where can I find it? |
| 17:24:34 | warmi | Harlekin yeah but I need to resolve that issue with image loading first |
| 17:24:48 | warmi | zooming is a luxury and proper loading of 1280x1024 images is not :-) |
| 17:24:58 | Harlekin | warmi: i ment for the gameboy emu |
| 17:25:50 | warmi | oh ... well, it can be changed easily in that little bit of ASM code |
| 17:26:02 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 17:26:11 | Harlekin | and why not use full width |
| 17:26:15 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:26:15 | warmi | it won't be perfect though since it will not divide evenly |
| 17:26:28 | vforge37 | hey warmi, I had no idea you're the qtopia gnuboy guy |
| 17:26:44 | vforge37 | I have to say, I owe props to you |
| 17:26:50 | warmi | vforge37 I am not .. I just made it faster a bit |
| 17:26:59 | vforge37 | without gnuboy, I wouldn't love my zaurus as much |
| 17:27:05 | vforge37 | oh, hey it's still cool though |
| 17:27:13 | vforge37 | if it works faster now, I'll still owe you props ;) |
| 17:27:20 | warmi | vforge37 : this is the original port :http://www.slac.com/~mpilone/projects/qtopiagnuboy.phtml |
| 17:27:34 | vforge37 | hey anyway though, where can I find lisa-mail? |
| 17:27:39 | Harlekin | vforge37: opie-cvs |
| 17:27:55 | Harlekin | but it gets rewritten right now |
| 17:28:22 | vforge37 | ok thanks, I hadn't checked there |
| 17:29:31 | warmi | vforge: well .. I found that link: http://www.lisa.de/pages/de/lisa/mailer_eng.html |
| 17:29:44 | warmi | but it doesn't look there is a ipkg available |
| 17:29:53 | warmi | perhaps you need to email the authors or something |
| 17:29:57 | Harlekin | warmi: opie-mail2 _is_ lisa mail |
| 17:30:03 | Harlekin | the author is conber |
| 17:30:03 | tux_mike | damn. windows sucks |
| 17:30:23 | tux_mike | warmi: i've got a question for you (yet again :) |
| 17:31:12 | warmi | Harlekin oh .. forget it then :-)) |
| 17:31:16 | warmi | I didn't know that |
| 17:31:33 | Harlekin | warmi: it gets rewritten from scratch |
| 17:31:40 | Harlekin | first "new" one in 2 weeks |
| 17:32:18 | warmi | tux_mike sure |
| 17:33:26 | tux_mike | warmi: do you think it's a good idea to construct the playing suface in memory out of smaller pixmaps (it's gonna be a checkerboard style surface) or make it ahead of time? |
| 17:34:02 | warmi | it depends how small are these checkboards |
| 17:34:31 | Kento | hmm |
| 17:34:34 | tux_mike | well, the board will be 240x240, and the checkers will be 28x28 |
| 17:34:38 | warmi | if there are tons of them then recreating your surface out of them will be slow ( mainly overhead of multiple drawPixmap calls) |
| 17:34:42 | tux_mike | there'll also be a border |
| 17:35:06 | tux_mike | what about constructing it into a pixmap or a pimapCache |
| 17:36:03 | warmi | tux_mike frankly, if I were you I would construct the background surface once |
| 17:36:10 | tux_mike | i was thinking of constructing it once in memory, and then using that |
| 17:36:15 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:36:46 | warmi | the only problem with that is that you might run out of memory if you have many playing surfaces like that |
| 17:36:54 | warmi | but it definately will be faster |
| 17:37:05 | tux_mike | there'll only be one playing surface |
| 17:37:22 | warmi | ok then |
| 17:37:29 | warmi | sure , that wil be faster |
| 17:38:10 | tux_mike | k |
| 17:38:12 | warmi | you will avoid 240/28 * 240/28 function calls |
| 17:38:31 | tux_mike | yah |
| 17:38:56 | warmi | not only function calls but each drawPixmap has its own nasty prolog code checking parameters etc .. |
| 17:39:15 | prpplague | kergoth: have you noticed that the libiw.so symlink is incorrect on the root build? |
| 17:39:27 | warmi | kergoth hi |
| 17:39:32 | tux_mike | i wasn't about to redraw the whole play surface every time an update is needed :) that's just wasteful :) |
| 17:41:06 | tux_mike | QT does handle PNG transperancy properly, right? |
| 17:41:12 | tux_mike | including multiple shades? |
| 17:41:23 | warmi | tux_mike you mean alpha ? yeah it does |
| 17:42:11 | tux_mike | yah |
| 17:42:14 | tux_mike | alpha |
| 17:42:21 | warmi | yeah, it does |
| 17:42:23 | tux_mike | the 'fancy' word for it :) |
| 17:42:34 | kergoth | prpplague: err is it? i thought i fixed that one.. maybe i forgot to commit it into cvs |
| 17:42:54 | warmi | kergoth : OpenZaurus does not run on ipaq right ? |
| 17:42:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:42:56 | prpplague | kergoth: well, i've not updated my cvs in about a week |
| 17:43:41 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll pull a fresh one down and check |
| 17:43:47 | kergoth | warmi: openzaurus is just a debian based embedded distro. with a handhelds.org kernel it'd run fine on an ipaq, minus hte device name differences |
| 17:43:54 | kergoth | prpplague: k, let me know |
| 17:44:19 | kergoth | warmi: just as familiar would run fine on a zaurus with the embedix kernel and slight changes for device naming |
| 17:44:21 | prpplague | kergoth: looks like i've just about everything tested for the oz-x |
| 17:44:33 | kergoth | prpplague: nice |
| 17:44:40 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll probably try and commit these this afternoon |
| 17:44:47 | kergoth | okay |
| 17:45:29 | warmi | kergoth cause I just ordered iPAQ 3835 and , according to harleking, it is possible to run dual boot familiar and PPC |
| 17:45:39 | kergoth | warmi: yeah I heard that |
| 17:45:52 | warmi | it would be perfect for me |
| 17:46:14 | warmi | I need to test my PPC code but I need to test OPIE stuff as well :-) |
| 17:46:47 | kergoth | ahh |
| 17:47:10 | tux_mike | warmi: i must say, this graphics stuff is simpler than i thought it'd be :) |
| 17:47:36 | warmi | tux_mike well, simple graphic is :-) |
| 17:47:53 | tux_mike | that's all you need for most stuff |
| 17:48:54 | warmi | well, things get hairy once you leave world of cartesian coordinates |
| 17:48:58 | mark | warmi: 3835? nice |
| 17:49:10 | warmi | mark: don't know yet .. I just ordered it last ngiht |
| 17:49:12 | warmi | night |
| 17:49:39 | mark | warmi: heh |
| 17:50:20 | tux_mike | hasn't learned too much on non-cartesian coordinate planes |
| 17:50:58 | cranch | I LOVE the Big Lebowski |
| 17:51:04 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 17:51:31 | warmi | tux_mike well .. everythign has to be in cartesian on QPainter :-) |
| 17:51:50 | tux_mike | warmi: once i make this game for the Z, i'm gonna see how possible it is to port it to 3G phones :) |
| 17:51:57 | warmi | I was just hinting stuff like rotation etc .. |
| 17:52:11 | warmi | things that are not so obvious without checking your math book |
| 17:52:21 | tux_mike | ah |
| 17:52:41 | cranch | what game tux_mike |
| 17:52:49 | tux_mike | you ever play bejeweled? |
| 17:56:00 | [George] | blah |
| 17:56:04 | bizaarre | are sharp doing (or *can* they) do anything about the reported battery life issues? |
| 17:56:06 | [George] | I'm back |
| 17:56:17 | [George] | bizaarre: what battery life issues... |
| 17:56:30 | killefiz | warmi: did you ever try nfdb on oz? |
| 17:56:50 | bizaarre | George-: i keep hearing battery life is on the short side of things... |
| 17:56:52 | warmi | killefiz : tux_mike tried and he said the starting ssh script doesn't work |
| 17:56:59 | warmi | cause I used bash specific commands |
| 17:57:09 | George- | bizaarre: that's cos the batt has a bloody low capacity |
| 17:57:09 | tux_mike | i got it working in time |
| 17:57:18 | George- | bizaarre: It's like, 950mAh |
| 17:57:28 | bizaarre | George-: well there you go, are they doing anything about it? |
| 17:57:30 | warmi | I am not ssh/bash specialist so I was just happy to get anything going .. |
| 17:57:35 | George- | bizaarre: I dunno |
| 17:57:35 | warmi | my ssh skills are wanting |
| 17:57:47 | George- | bizaarre: Apparently the SL5600 (or whatever) is gonna have a larger capacity batt |
| 17:57:51 | killefiz | warmi: i installed bash but there is another problem - the gunzip call is wrong |
| 17:57:59 | bizaarre | SL5600??? |
| 17:58:11 | warmi | you mean , the path to gunzip ? |
| 17:58:15 | bizaarre | George-: not due to soon i hope? |
| 17:58:29 | bizaarre | s/to/too/ |
| 17:58:32 | killefiz | warmi: no - i see: gunzip: invalid option -- l |
| 17:58:58 | warmi | killefiz the only reason I have this entire mess with gunzip and scripts starting the app is because stupid ipkg requires 2 as much free memory during installation |
| 17:59:04 | warmi | and my database is around 4 MB |
| 17:59:12 | warmi | killefiz : invalid option ??? |
| 17:59:42 | warmi | uh .. so we are talking here OpenZaurus using different version of gunzip .. |
| 17:59:43 | warmi | hmm |
| 17:59:51 | George- | bizaarre: I want them to create a new battery for the damn SL 5000 :) |
| 17:59:57 | killefiz | warmi: using different (newer) version of busybox |
| 18:00:29 | bizaarre | George-: SL-5000 != SL-5500, but only in terms of memory no? |
| 18:00:30 | warmi | killefiz well ... I never had OpenZaurus to test it with so I missed that one :-) |
| 18:00:41 | George- | bizaarre: yes |
| 18:00:46 | George- | bizaarre: they take the same battery |
| 18:00:49 | killefiz | warmi: time to get a 2nd z ;) |
| 18:00:59 | warmi | I will have familiar on my new ipaq so I will always double check my stuff on that one as well in the future |
| 18:01:55 | killefiz | ok - i unzipped manually it works now |
| 18:01:56 | warmi | killefiz what the script does is ... if it is run first time is simply ungzips the database and starts the app |
| 18:02:02 | warmi | yeah .. that would work :-) |
| 18:02:07 | roo | warmi thanks for puzzle |
| 18:02:30 | warmi | roo: no problem .. I already got thanked for that with a new shiny 5000d from Trolls :-) |
| 18:02:41 | roo | hehe |
| 18:03:02 | roo | i was bookmarking your pg for the gnuboy source in a few days, and downloaded it last night, couldn't stop playing it |
| 18:03:34 | bizaarre | George-: do you know what capacity the palm vx battery is? |
| 18:03:39 | George- | bizaarre: you don't ;) |
| 18:03:52 | killefiz | is the warmi enabled gnuboy up to speed with the original device? |
| 18:04:05 | warmi | killefiz not really. it is still slightly slower |
| 18:04:27 | roo | hey warmi |
| 18:04:32 | roo | is that ipk recent? |
| 18:04:33 | warmi | but is playable .. the old one was kind of slow to the point of being annoying |
| 18:04:44 | roo | u just did it in last 20 hrs or something? |
| 18:04:55 | warmi | roo which ipk you talking about ? the one from www.warmi.net/zaurus ? |
| 18:05:05 | warmi | yeah .. I created it last night |
| 18:05:06 | roo | yea, the gnuboy ipk there |
| 18:05:21 | imm | is there a place where i can uppload ipks ? |
| 18:05:22 | roo | hahaha COOOOL!!!!!!!!! i thought we had to wait a few days hehehe THANKS A LOT! |
| 18:05:39 | roo | to my box |
| 18:05:44 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:06:13 | roo | thanks a lot for gnuboy ipk warmi ! |
| 18:06:18 | killefiz | imm: but jason about it - he was planning sth. like that iirc |
| 18:06:18 | George- | warmi: how fast is the supah-dupah-mega-optimized qtopia gnuboy? |
| 18:06:47 | warmi | George- it is 2x as fast as the old one |
| 18:06:57 | George- | kewl |
| 18:07:04 | warmi | went from 45 ms per frame |
| 18:07:07 | warmi | to 19 ms per frame |
| 18:07:08 | George- | warmi: what did you do to it? |
| 18:07:17 | George- | warmi: you tortured it! |
| 18:07:32 | warmi | the original was rendering to QImage and then drawing it to the screen .. |
| 18:07:47 | warmi | I just changed it to render to the framebuffer directly using QdirectPainter and a bit of asm |
| 18:08:32 | warmi | it could probably be made even faster but I don't feel like working on it anymore |
| 18:09:08 | warmi | would require total rewrite of the underlying rendering engine to avoid single pixel writes and use dword writes .. stuff like that |
| 18:09:21 | imm | how can i access the quit slot from my MainWindow ? |
| 18:09:31 | George- | warmi: does sound work? |
| 18:09:56 | George- | hey Cloudchaser |
| 18:09:56 | warmi | George- no, that is the one thing I did know how to fix ... I jsut don't know anything about sound programming :-) |
| 18:10:09 | warmi | I didn't know .. that is |
| 18:10:12 | George- | warmi: heh ;) |
| 18:10:27 | Cloudchaser | heya george and warmi |
| 18:10:31 | George- | kergoth: ping!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:10:32 | warmi | the sounds works great on the Linux x86 box |
| 18:10:34 | warmi | hi Cloudchaser :-) |
| 18:10:35 | Cloudchaser | and everyone |
| 18:10:44 | warmi | but it works crappy on the Zaurus .. go figure |
| 18:10:52 | George- | warmi: haha |
| 18:10:54 | Cloudchaser | what have you been up to lately warmi? |
| 18:11:01 | warmi | supposedly the same code should work .. the driver on the zaurus must be crappy |
| 18:11:20 | warmi | Cloudchaser not much .. just bought myself ipaq 3835 for OPIE and PPC testing |
| 18:11:28 | Cloudchaser | ah nice |
| 18:11:31 | George- | warmi: arse! :) |
| 18:11:38 | Cloudchaser | which do you prefer? |
| 18:11:56 | George- | 3835 == no bluetooth, right? |
| 18:12:03 | warmi | I don't know yet ... I just ordered it last night :-) |
| 18:12:12 | Cloudchaser | ah :) |
| 18:12:14 | warmi | no bluetoth .. I need that only for code testing etc ... |
| 18:12:26 | warmi | George- hehehe :-) |
| 18:12:37 | warmi | Cloudchaser remember that gnuboy thing I did a month or so ago ? |
| 18:12:57 | warmi | I just released it last night as an ipkg ... the original maintainer was dragging his feet |
| 18:13:11 | warmi | I don't think he is working on that port anymore or is extremely busy with something else |
| 18:14:05 | port_error | hi, anybody got prboom running on their zaurus? |
| 18:14:06 | Cloudchaser | cool warmi ;) |
| 18:14:17 | kybu | warmi hi |
| 18:14:22 | Cloudchaser | you are awesome! |
| 18:14:33 | kybu | warmi i am trying your gameboy emulator |
| 18:14:34 | kybu | nice :) |
| 18:14:36 | Cloudchaser | i'll give it a try |
| 18:15:35 | warmi | kybu does it work for you ? |
| 18:15:46 | kybu | warmi great :) |
| 18:15:54 | warmi | I heard somone complaining last night that the original ipkg did not work for him .. |
| 18:15:58 | warmi | wouldn't install |
| 18:15:59 | kybu | most of games are playable very good |
| 18:16:12 | kybu | warmi no problem with it |
| 18:16:17 | warmi | kybu I only tested it with pokemon gold and donkey kong I think |
| 18:16:36 | kybu | warmi i tryed about 10 games |
| 18:16:36 | George- | warmi: POKEMON? |
| 18:16:37 | George- | ;) |
| 18:16:43 | kybu | for a while |
| 18:16:50 | kybu | and work good |
| 18:16:58 | kybu | except of the mortal kombat 2 and 3 |
| 18:17:02 | kybu | they stucked |
| 18:17:11 | kybu | in the middle of the game |
| 18:17:14 | erikd | pokemon games++ |
| 18:17:20 | George- | erikd: hehe |
| 18:17:20 | erikd | braces |
| 18:17:32 | kybu | but others works fine, like pokemon, spiderman 2, GTA(but is slow) |
| 18:17:35 | warmi | kybu have you tried the same games on X86 version od the desktop ? |
| 18:17:37 | erikd | i like the games, i just think all the hype and everything else is terrible |
| 18:17:54 | kybu | warmi no i did't recompile it for x86 |
| 18:18:04 | kybu | a got only ipk |
| 18:18:05 | roo | how the heck do the buttons werk on gnuboy |
| 18:18:09 | warmi | if it failes on the zaurus it most likely will fail on gnuboy period |
| 18:18:27 | kybu | uhm |
| 18:18:35 | warmi | roo: yeah ... that needs to be changed ... the original button layout was rather nasty |
| 18:18:41 | kybu | but the rc files aren't working, they are disabled? |
| 18:18:49 | roo | what are the buttons? |
| 18:18:53 | kybu | j l |
| 18:18:58 | kybu | and enter space + pads |
| 18:18:58 | roo | demo looks aweome warmi |
| 18:18:59 | imm | is there something like right click for the stilus ? |
| 18:19:07 | roo | kewl thanks |
| 18:19:12 | oGMo | imm: click and hold |
| 18:19:26 | imm | oGMo: hi :) |
| 18:19:26 | oGMo | try that in the documents tab for instance |
| 18:19:41 | oGMo | imm: you get your beta in? |
| 18:19:45 | imm | oGMo: i should have my next ipgk in a few mins |
| 18:19:49 | oGMo | cool ;) |
| 18:20:01 | oGMo | i will get something out eventually, soon as i get these sites done ;P |
| 18:20:08 | George- | yo chouimat |
| 18:20:10 | imm | oGMo: yep, but now i have something functional for you :) |
| 18:20:11 | warmi | The default key bindings are: |
| 18:20:11 | prpplague | is away: riding bike with son |
| 18:20:12 | warmi | D-Pad: 4 directions |
| 18:20:13 | warmi | Enter: Start |
| 18:20:14 | warmi | Space: Select |
| 18:20:15 | warmi | L : B button |
| 18:20:16 | warmi | J : A button |
| 18:20:18 | warmi | In the future the keys will be customizable. |
| 18:20:19 | warmi | according to the docs |
| 18:20:19 | chouimat | re |
| 18:20:22 | George- | prpplague: ooh, have fun |
| 18:20:48 | oGMo | warmi: can you not grab the other buttons? |
| 18:20:50 | roo | im playing tetris now and i would say it is 100% same at level one as gameboy besides sound, in terms of speed of play its NOT SLOW AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:20:54 | kybu | warmi: i think the are in gnuboy changable by rc files, but it doesnt works :( |
| 18:21:09 | chouimat | imm: nice screenshot |
| 18:21:39 | warmi | oGMo: I am sure you can but I never modified that ... uh .. I don't want to become maintainer of qtopia-gnuboy , I just intended to help the original author to speed it up :-) |
| 18:21:43 | imm | chouimat: im done now, packaging up and hope oGMo helps with beta test :) |
| 18:21:46 | warmi | he asked for it on his gnuboy page |
| 18:21:56 | oGMo | warmi: ah ;) |
| 18:22:11 | Microdim | is there any file encryption software for the Z that works with a SD card? |
| 18:22:15 | kybu | heh |
| 18:22:19 | George- | any QDialog experts here? |
| 18:22:28 | imm | where can i find ipkmake.sh ? |
| 18:22:35 | warmi | what about QDialog George- ? |
| 18:22:36 | imm | George-: yep :) |
| 18:22:41 | George- | warmi: can I talk to you in query? |
| 18:22:47 | warmi | sure |
| 18:23:17 | erikd | anyone happen to know what the type number for an XFS partition is? |
| 18:23:22 | erikd | for linux fdisk |
| 18:24:01 | kybu | i think i will broke my Z due to gnuboy :) |
| 18:24:18 | imm | chouimat: nice screenshot too, are you redy for beta ? |
| 18:24:44 | Microdim | kybu: is the sound supposed to work on gnuboy for the Z/ |
| 18:25:09 | kybu | Microdim i don't know, i don't try to put phones to jack |
| 18:26:15 | chouimat | imm: need some help with the protocol implementation |
| 18:26:17 | Microdim | kybu: well I ment threw the buzzer |
| 18:26:30 | kybu | Microdim no |
| 18:26:42 | Microdim | oh ok |
| 18:30:36 | MarkNovak | Yo |
| 18:31:16 | MarkNovak | I just got "Oh brother where art thou" on my Z |
| 18:31:17 | MarkNovak | full |
| 18:31:32 | MarkNovak | crisp crystal spring |
| 18:34:56 | roo | the movie? |
| 18:35:04 | roo | u like watching movies in slow motion? |
| 18:35:39 | sha_bang | Someone from Brasil? |
| 18:36:34 | MarkNovak | its not in slow motion buddy |
| 18:36:41 | MarkNovak | im using a processor uncapper |
| 18:36:42 | MarkNovak | BUDDY |
| 18:36:52 | MarkNovak | a sort of afterburner |
| 18:36:52 | MarkNovak | BUDDY |
| 18:36:56 | roo | can u send me one |
| 18:36:57 | MarkNovak | roo? |
| 18:37:04 | roo | sup |
| 18:37:05 | MarkNovak | u like being wrong? |
| 18:37:07 | warmi | MarkNovak : isn't it that movie about Ireland and IRA ? |
| 18:37:08 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 18:37:11 | MarkNovak | I dont know |
| 18:37:13 | MarkNovak | ive never seen it |
| 18:37:16 | MarkNovak | thats why im putting it on my Z |
| 18:37:19 | MarkNovak | im going on travel you see |
| 18:38:17 | warmi | how big is that movie ? |
| 18:38:35 | warmi | I guess one needs at least 256 MB CF card for anything worth watchin |
| 18:38:42 | MarkNovak | yeah |
| 18:38:46 | MarkNovak | it just barely fits on my 256 |
| 18:38:50 | MarkNovak | and the quality isnt stellar |
| 18:38:51 | kergoth | warmi: o brother where art thou is based on one of homer's stories.. the odyssey i believe. quite funny movie actually. i have the dvd. heh |
| 18:38:53 | MarkNovak | ;) |
| 18:39:07 | erikd | mark: cs now? |
| 18:39:08 | MarkNovak | are you sure? |
| 18:39:12 | MarkNovak | I thought he was like a convict |
| 18:39:20 | MarkNovak | well now im encoding brother where art thou |
| 18:39:21 | warmi | kergoth oh .. well .. I remember some movie with "oh brother" about IRA and Irish struggle :-) |
| 18:39:25 | erikd | ah |
| 18:39:30 | erikd | lemme know when you're done |
| 18:39:35 | MarkNovak | give me... some amount of minutes |
| 18:39:37 | erikd | this compile is going to take a few hours :) |
| 18:39:50 | MarkNovak | erikd... im not going to be playing well on 56k |
| 18:39:51 | warmi | what are you compiling erikd ? |
| 18:39:57 | MarkNovak | if you pwn me then just be like "poor newbie is on 56k" |
| 18:40:25 | erikd | warmi: gentoo linux |
| 18:40:41 | erikd | debian was being mean to me so i decided to try gentoo |
| 18:40:58 | MarkNovak | nice personification of debian |
| 18:41:00 | warmi | from what I heard .. gentoo tends to be even meaner |
| 18:41:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:41:03 | erikd | and it's compiling on a k6-2 450 so it'll be awhile :) |
| 18:41:17 | erikd | well, at least gentoo is all from source |
| 18:41:20 | kybu | heh gentoo |
| 18:41:36 | erikd | dpkg wouldn't let me up/downgrade my kernel |
| 18:41:37 | kybu | gentoo is nice |
| 18:41:44 | erikd | yeah, i like it so far |
| 18:41:47 | kergoth | erikd: you dont think debian is built from source? :-P |
| 18:41:52 | warmi | I say .. RedHat will solve all your problems :-) |
| 18:41:55 | warmi | at least it does for me |
| 18:41:55 | kergoth | erikd: its just that the user builds it, not the maintainers :-) |
| 18:41:56 | warmi | hehhe |
| 18:41:58 | erikd | kergoth: built on -my box- from source |
| 18:42:21 | erikd | so it'll hopefully be at least a little faster :) |
| 18:42:29 | MarkNovak | damn I think the sound is not synced |
| 18:42:47 | MarkNovak | i hate that to pieces |
| 18:43:43 | kybu | hm, is any strategic game for gameboy? |
| 18:43:51 | MarkNovak | zelda |
| 18:43:53 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 18:44:06 | roo | anybody know name of mail server rhar comes with mandrake? |
| 18:44:08 | kergoth | heh, thats an rpg |
| 18:44:30 | erikd | roo: sendmail? :) |
| 18:44:35 | kybu | hm flinstones, it doesn't sounds like strategy :)) |
| 18:44:35 | warmi | MarkNovak I have one dvd (gladiator) that , when played, tends to lose sound -> video synch ... |
| 18:44:41 | roo | thanks |
| 18:44:49 | erikd | np |
| 18:44:52 | warmi | zeldais not strategy ? |
| 18:44:58 | erikd | nah |
| 18:45:00 | warmi | it is more like a rpg game or soemthing |
| 18:45:06 | erikd | zelda's an rpg |
| 18:45:10 | kybu | ook, i will check out zelda |
| 18:45:24 | erikd | tactics ogre is a strategy rpg |
| 18:45:25 | MarkNovak | good music in this o brother where art thou |
| 18:45:39 | erikd | but it's for game boy advance |
| 18:45:53 | kybu | hm |
| 18:45:59 | kergoth | MarkNovak: yeah it is.. its like folk music or something, but its cool |
| 18:46:04 | kybu | it will works on gnuboy emulator? |
| 18:46:05 | warmi | yeah .. and gba roms don't play and gnubou |
| 18:46:08 | imm | can someone send me an ipkgmake ? |
| 18:46:11 | warmi | I checked it myself :-) |
| 18:46:16 | kybu | no? :( |
| 18:46:17 | MarkNovak | imm: no |
| 18:46:20 | George- | warmi: heh, what DVD player? |
| 18:46:25 | kergoth | imm: google for ipkg. first link. |
| 18:46:31 | | somebody said ipkg was the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 18:46:31 | George- | ibot ipkg |
| 18:46:33 | imm | kergoth: is down |
| 18:46:35 | George- | yo kergoth |
| 18:46:35 | warmi | Sharp ... every other movie I ever played worked fine |
| 18:46:40 | kergoth | imm: handhelds.org is down? |
| 18:46:46 | warmi | it was only with that particular copy of gladiator |
| 18:46:51 | kergoth | imm: i just went there no problem. |
| 18:46:54 | imm | kergoth: no zauruszone |
| 18:46:58 | MarkNovak | guys I think I like bluegrass |
| 18:47:03 | kergoth | imm: read what i said again. |
| 18:47:08 | kergoth | imm: the part about "google for ipkg" |
| 18:47:08 | warmi | kybu game boy advanced is a different hardware system .. gnubou does not emulate that one |
| 18:47:12 | George- | kergoth: does 2.9.5.5 have the new sdmgr? |
| 18:47:17 | George- | kergoth: and the new sd modules? |
| 18:47:24 | kergoth | George-: yeah, same as 2.38/1.38 |
| 18:47:25 | kybu | warmi ax so |
| 18:47:42 | George- | kergoth: does 1.38 have the same module as 2.38??? |
| 18:47:47 | warmi | kybu what Z needs is a nice Playstation emulator |
| 18:47:49 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:47:49 | warmi | j/k |
| 18:47:51 | roo | hehe |
| 18:47:53 | roo | xbox? |
| 18:48:01 | George- | kergoth: I thought 1.38 was just a different RAM arrangement of 1.37, and 1.37 was based on 2.37... |
| 18:48:09 | warmi | yeah ... xbox would be even better |
| 18:48:21 | kergoth | George-: ah, could be. I havent kept up on the 5000d roms.. it has the 2.38 sd module. |
| 18:48:40 | George- | kergoth: great :) |
| 18:48:45 | George- | kergoth: I might consider an upgrade, hehe |
| 18:48:56 | andrius2 | hi all |
| 18:48:56 | kybu | warmi: exactly you are right :)) |
| 18:49:04 | killefiz | damn - seems that someone in the neighborhood has bought sth. that doesn't play well with my wlan setup ;( |
| 18:49:12 | andrius2 | anyone know where I can get qtopia source tarballs? |
| 18:49:15 | andrius2 | err |
| 18:49:19 | andrius2 | qtopia desktop |
| 18:49:25 | andrius2 | source tarballs? |
| 18:49:29 | George- | kergoth: you might consider offering both the drivers: someone on zz forums complained that the new broke support for his sd card |
| 18:49:31 | kergoth | imm: ipkg-build is the preferred ipkg creation tool, its in handhelds.org cvs. |
| 18:49:36 | killefiz | andrius2: qtopia desktop is closed source |
| 18:49:40 | andrius2 | ah |
| 18:49:50 | kergoth | George-: well, in that case they can backrev their sdmmc package to a version in the old/ dir in the oz3 feed |
| 18:49:51 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 18:49:51 | kybu | hmm |
| 18:49:56 | MarkNovak | i never realized how much bluegrass kicks ass |
| 18:49:56 | andrius2 | killefiz: can I get qtopia tarballs, then? |
| 18:50:01 | Speedy2 | Note to all here. Please avoid the movie "Blood Work" . It's a USELESS movie |
| 18:50:07 | Speedy2 | (very very predictable) |
| 18:50:12 | kergoth | Speedy2: thanks for the warning |
| 18:50:12 | Speedy2 | Hello kergoth, how are you? |
| 18:50:23 | killefiz | andrius2: sure - probably on ftp.trolltech.com but i haven't checked |
| 18:50:25 | kergoth | quite good actually. nice day out. you? |
| 18:50:25 | imm | kergoth: can't find it |
| 18:50:30 | kergoth | imm: |
| 18:50:32 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah, don't let temptation grab you. It sux. |
| 18:50:33 | | ipkg is probably the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 18:50:33 | kergoth | ibot: ipkg? |
| 18:50:37 | George- | kergoth: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=2559&s=01b2dca14531118ab6fc7e14ba2ecc07 |
| 18:50:38 | andrius2 | MarkNovak: just figured that out? For some good tunes, look up the seldom scene |
| 18:50:42 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Not too bad, hung out with some friends over das weekend. |
| 18:50:50 | kergoth | imm: click on the link to iPKG in handhelds.org wiki |
| 18:50:51 | kergoth | Speedy2:ah nice |
| 18:51:17 | kergoth | George-: thanks for the heads up |
| 18:51:41 | George- | kergoth: s'ok |
| 18:51:42 | chouimat | imm: the gui is finished now I just need to add the proper slot to the Session class |
| 18:52:01 | imm | kergoth: there are ipk ipks but no ipkgmake.sh |
| 18:52:10 | kergoth | imm: i've never heard of ipkgmake.sh |
| 18:52:21 | kergoth | imm: the preferred ipkg creation tool is *ipkg-build* which is in ipkg cvs. |
| 18:52:24 | Speedy2 | I had the misfotune of using "XP" for a few mins today. Maaaan, WTF?! |
| 18:52:30 | Speedy2 | fortune |
| 18:52:34 | kergoth | imm: ipkg-build is also in the zauruszone ipkg howto, though its slightly altered by myself |
| 18:53:10 | kergoth | imm: maybe you're thinking of mkipks? dont use it. heh |
| 18:54:09 | SirPsycho | something out there makes really lame ipks.. not sure what it is but when you install them from the network all it does is drop another ipk in /home/root |
| 18:57:09 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:36:58) |
| 18:57:14 | imm | oGMo: redy for test ? |
| 18:57:33 | George- | X fucking crashed |
| 18:57:34 | imm | kergoth: ok, i have, work fine, thanks |
| 18:57:44 | | oGMo was last seen on #zaurus 35 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: warmi: ah ;) [Sun Aug 18 19:21:56 2002] |
| 18:57:44 | imm | ibot seen oGMo |
| 18:58:20 | imm | any replacement beta testers ? |
| 18:58:37 | Speedy2 | Replacement Killers? |
| 18:59:23 | imm | no brave souls around ? |
| 18:59:44 | killefiz | imm: what kind of software? |
| 18:59:45 | warmi | Speedy2 is blook work that bad ? |
| 18:59:54 | imm | killefiz: a jezz ball game |
| 19:00:11 | imm | killefiz: port of kbounce |
| 19:00:14 | killefiz | i can try it |
| 19:00:31 | killefiz | (beware - i'm on oz) |
| 19:00:47 | kergoth | jezz ball game? sweet. I'll test ;-) |
| 19:01:16 | imm | Out of file descriptors |
| 19:01:32 | imm | one mon, kill irc |
| 19:01:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:02:25 | chouimat | wb imm |
| 19:02:32 | George- | hey immy |
| 19:02:49 | Speedy2 | What's a good, free NNTP newserver? |
| 19:02:54 | Speedy2 | (I don't care about binaries, etc) |
| 19:02:59 | George- | chouimat: what is the name of that tabwidget you used? |
| 19:03:01 | imm | any other brave souls ? |
| 19:03:37 | kergoth | Speedy2: I use knode myself, when i'm in X anyway |
| 19:03:37 | imm | George-: wanne test a game ? |
| 19:03:47 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah you said server not client, somebody smack me |
| 19:03:54 | kergoth | drinks more caffeine |
| 19:03:59 | Speedy2 | kergoth: What server? |
| 19:04:07 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I'm using TIN (yeah, I know, it sux) |
| 19:04:30 | kergoth | tin.. i still use that when i'm in console and have a need to browse newsgroups.. |
| 19:04:32 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 19:04:34 | George- | imm: DCC don't work for me |
| 19:04:34 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:04:43 | George- | imm: I'm running thru ip masq on a very fascist router :) |
| 19:04:59 | imm | George-: :( |
| 19:05:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: So can you suggest a server? |
| 19:05:18 | George- | imm: nah, I run the server :) |
| 19:05:20 | kergoth | Speedy2: not offhand, no. |
| 19:06:05 | Speedy2 | Welp |
| 19:06:08 | Speedy2 | That suxxx |
| 19:06:16 | Speedy2 | My friend uses one but I forgot which! |
| 19:06:38 | Speedy2 | And I usually use his machine to access |
| 19:06:49 | Speedy2 | And his machine be unavailable ATM. |
| 19:07:29 | imm | kergoth: does it works ? |
| 19:07:39 | kergoth | imm: it runs and immediately exits. |
| 19:07:47 | imm | kergoth: fuck |
| 19:07:57 | kergoth | imm: also, one generally puts their binary in /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/, not /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/appname |
| 19:08:09 | kergoth | imm: it doesnt crash.. no error, i straced it, and it just exits normally without anything popping up |
| 19:08:51 | imm | kergoth: weird, on x64 it works |
| 19:09:16 | imm | x86 |
| 19:09:17 | kergoth | imm: also, there are like 15 cannot convert from a null image errors.. sounds like it failed to load your pics/ |
| 19:09:27 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 19:09:28 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 19:09:58 | imm | kergoth: that could be, i look againg |
| 19:10:04 | kergoth | k |
| 19:10:17 | kergoth | (this is on a sl5500, sharp rom, 2.38, fyi) |
| 19:11:17 | killefiz | imm: segfaults of me after giving lots of cannot convert from a null image |
| 19:12:11 | imm | killefiz: QString path = QPEApplication::qpeDir()+"pics/kbounce/"; |
| 19:12:34 | imm | thats should be the path for the pics |
| 19:13:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:14:09 | imm | kergoth: but a dir for the pics is ok ? |
| 19:14:18 | kergoth | imm: yes, thats fine. |
| 19:14:23 | kergoth | imm: but what are you using to load the images? Resource? |
| 19:14:38 | imm | kergoth: QString path = QPEApplication::qpeDir()+"pics/kbounce/"; |
| 19:14:48 | George- | if (ListView->selectedItem() == 0) and (fileNewName->text() == "") |
| 19:14:49 | kergoth | imm: hmm? |
| 19:14:54 | George- | is that a legal if statement? |
| 19:14:58 | kergoth | imm: that is a path, not a command to load hte image |
| 19:15:18 | imm | kergoth: shure if they are in there it should be ok |
| 19:15:39 | kergoth | imm: you're not listening. |
| 19:15:52 | kergoth | imm: Are you using the Resource class to load them? |
| 19:15:57 | warmi | George if (ListView->selectedItem() == 0 && fileNewName->text().isEmpty()) |
| 19:16:08 | imm | kergoth: m_ballPixmaps = new QCanvasPixmapArray( path + "ball%1.png", 25 ); |
| 19:16:27 | kergoth | imm: okay, hmm |
| 19:16:31 | George- | warmi: thx |
| 19:16:44 | George- | warmi: I'm too used to Visual bloody Basic :) |
| 19:17:03 | kybu | LOL |
| 19:17:05 | kybu | :) |
| 19:17:13 | imm | kergoth: that works fine if i use it on qws, i just change the path to "pics/" |
| 19:17:26 | warmi | heh |
| 19:17:39 | imm | kergoth: can you say me where strace says it would look for the pics ? |
| 19:19:17 | chouimat|nap | bb in 1 or 2 hours |
| 19:19:35 | kergoth | imm: you're putting the pics in $QPEDIR/pics/zbounce, but you're trying to open $QPEDIR/pics/kbounce. therein lies the problem. |
| 19:20:08 | imm | kergoth: hmm, oooops :) |
| 19:20:10 | kergoth | imm: at least, thats why the image load fails. i couldnt tell you if thats why it fails to run |
| 19:20:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:20:45 | warmi | what';s kbounce ? |
| 19:20:47 | warmi | a new game ? |
| 19:20:52 | George- | what's zbounce? |
| 19:20:56 | kergoth | warmi: jezz ball style game imm's working on |
| 19:21:04 | George- | imm: jezz ball |
| 19:21:05 | George- | ooh |
| 19:21:09 | warmi | you are working on a game ??? |
| 19:21:12 | George- | imm: based on KJezzBall? |
| 19:21:35 | kergoth | warmi: imm is, yes. he's having people test for him |
| 19:21:35 | warmi | uih ... I told you kernel stuff was boring in the long run |
| 19:21:36 | warmi | heeh |
| 19:21:53 | warmi | oh imms is working |
| 19:21:54 | kergoth | oh no, i'm still firmly enconsced (however the hell you spell that) in kernel space |
| 19:21:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:22:00 | warmi | I misread it "I am " |
| 19:22:01 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:22:41 | kergoth | i just started reading Homer's The Odyssey for the first time in my life today. decided to start reading the classics |
| 19:22:49 | kergoth | damn good book |
| 19:22:55 | kergoth | never read it in school |
| 19:22:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:23:35 | warmi | hehe.. see, the problem with todays education is that these books are forced on youngsers ( it was on my) who cannot appreciate this kind of stuff yet |
| 19:23:36 | kergoth | blah bbiaf |
| 19:23:47 | kergoth | yes exactly |
| 19:23:59 | imm | kergoth: #2, changelog: bin/zbounce/zbounce -> bin/zbounce && kbounce -> zbounce |
| 19:24:05 | warmi | and then they develop that avversion to classic literature |
| 19:24:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:24:22 | imm | f**k |
| 19:24:32 | George- | kergoth`gone: hahaha, you reading classics? |
| 19:24:35 | George- | rofl |
| 19:24:36 | George- | ;) |
| 19:24:39 | imm | killefiz: are you redy for #2 ? |
| 19:24:58 | killefiz | imm: sure |
| 19:25:34 | George- | imm: any screenies of zbounce? |
| 19:25:38 | warmi | imm : any screenshot ? |
| 19:25:45 | warmi | screenshots that is |
| 19:25:46 | warmi | heeh |
| 19:26:16 | warmi | yeah .. we are shallow people ... we need to see this stuff :-) |
| 19:26:38 | MarkNovak | yikes |
| 19:26:44 | MarkNovak | this encoded video is 100mb exactly |
| 19:26:44 | imm | one mom |
| 19:26:45 | MarkNovak | thats a bad omen |
| 19:27:03 | warmi | well, postage stamp style video :-) |
| 19:27:15 | MarkNovak | no its 1 half |
| 19:27:24 | MarkNovak | postage stamp style i like that |
| 19:27:26 | MarkNovak | im gonna use that |
| 19:28:17 | XavierXeon | i was just looking for mickey, but he is away |
| 19:28:26 | warmi | well, most of the video available on the web is postage stamp size |
| 19:28:49 | killefiz | imm: much better |
| 19:28:49 | warmi | imm is this app for the contest ? |
| 19:29:00 | imm | killefiz: cool |
| 19:29:12 | imm | warmi: no, just for fun |
| 19:29:52 | killefiz | i just have to find out what the goal is |
| 19:30:35 | imm | killefiz: you have to take over 75% of the field |
| 19:30:39 | kybu | is going to chek out some gamebooy games, bye |
| 19:30:54 | chouimat|nap | imm: Ok the protocol class is completely redesigned :) it's a component now that support everything. very very easy to use :) |
| 19:31:09 | imm | so do you want screenies or the ipk ? |
| 19:31:18 | warmi | screenies |
| 19:31:26 | warmi | my z is far away from me now |
| 19:31:52 | killefiz | imm: you need to choose a different icon - the cherry is taken by froot |
| 19:32:04 | warmi | hehehe |
| 19:32:20 | imm | killefiz: it from froot, i had now two outstanding icons to do :( |
| 19:33:29 | killefiz | imm: you should add a new game and pause button into the menu bar (if qtopia allows that) |
| 19:34:06 | warmi | imm: personally I like to use Qtopia default empty (question mark) icon and just fill in .. this way it will keep that Qtopia "look" ( shading etc) |
| 19:34:09 | warmi | but that's imho |
| 19:34:56 | imm | killefiz: i have to test that if i ever get my Z |
| 19:35:39 | imm | killefiz: can you change the direction of the splitters ? |
| 19:35:52 | imm | killefiz: it right click on the desktop |
| 19:36:19 | warmi | imm: is this some sort of pinball style game ? |
| 19:36:23 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:36:28 | killefiz | no - i didn't now that is possible in the original - that's why it's so hard for me to pass level1 ;) |
| 19:36:29 | warmi | yeah, sounds and look like one .. "zbounce " |
| 19:36:38 | warmi | will have to try it |
| 19:37:01 | George- | I can't accept DCC dammit |
| 19:37:08 | imm | George-: oops |
| 19:37:12 | imm | George-: sorry |
| 19:37:31 | George- | ;) |
| 19:37:34 | George- | s'ok |
| 19:37:34 | George- | lol |
| 19:37:39 | killefiz | the touchscreen is only left button |
| 19:37:47 | imm | killefiz: perhaps i have to set the level to 65% or so |
| 19:38:19 | killefiz | no - you have to allow the direction change somehow |
| 19:38:28 | George- | imm: erm, does zbounce have a right click to change direction? |
| 19:38:46 | imm | George-: yes |
| 19:39:14 | warmi | well, then your only choice is to use one of the buttons |
| 19:39:21 | imm | killefiz: i could try to assign a button |
| 19:39:49 | imm | which one ? |
| 19:39:58 | George- | ok, next question, HOW? |
| 19:39:58 | killefiz | imm: maybe the OK-button? |
| 19:40:18 | warmi | I would say rocket buttons |
| 19:40:28 | imm | killefiz: any examples for that ? |
| 19:40:30 | warmi | either one of them .. |
| 19:40:40 | warmi | it is much easier to hit them then to hit OK |
| 19:41:09 | killefiz | imm: no - ask warmi - i've never coded anything but hello world for the z |
| 19:41:36 | warmi | imm: just use keyboard event handler |
| 19:41:47 | imm | what events a called for a rocket button press |
| 19:42:01 | warmi | void keyPressEvent ( QKeyEvent * ) |
| 19:42:07 | warmi | void keyReleaseEvent ( QKeyEvent * ) |
| 19:42:20 | warmi | they basically corespond to cursor buttons on the keyboard |
| 19:42:27 | George- | ermmmm |
| 19:42:37 | George- | wtf, you can change the style of the opie titlebar? |
| 19:43:18 | warmi | imm this of course, assuming you derived from QWidget |
| 19:43:39 | warmi | frankly, all of them are derived from QWidget so it doesn't matter :-) |
| 19:50:09 | George- | hrmm |
| 19:50:19 | George- | big fat pikachu dolls that someone gave you for xmas can come in handy |
| 19:51:48 | George- | I gtg in 33 minutes |
| 19:51:54 | George- | ;) |
| 19:52:51 | George- | hey zaurus |
| 19:52:58 | zaurus | sup George |
| 19:53:32 | George- | still coding my HTML editor... |
| 19:53:54 | zaurus | heeh |
| 19:54:49 | George- | any people with an imagination here? |
| 19:54:53 | George- | hehe |
| 19:54:57 | George- | What sort of an icon should I make? |
| 19:55:01 | George- | any suggestions? |
| 19:55:18 | zaurus | colorful |
| 19:55:30 | wParam | what's the icon for? |
| 19:55:32 | George- | great. |
| 19:55:36 | George- | wParam: my HTML editor |
| 19:55:44 | George- | zaurus: nice suggestion =P |
| 19:55:45 | zaurus | u got a logo? |
| 19:56:13 | wParam | maybe like a little world being drawn by a pencil? |
| 19:56:21 | George- | zaurus: no |
| 19:56:24 | darienm | George-: Make it angled and 3-D like Microsoft's new Office icons for Mac OS X |
| 19:56:25 | George- | wParam: cool |
| 19:56:30 | warmi | George: get HTML logo on the zaurus and combine it somehow with text edit logo |
| 19:56:35 | George- | darienm: don't be stupid :) |
| 19:56:39 | darienm | George-: But use the < > signs |
| 19:56:42 | George- | darienm: I'm not *that* good, hehe |
| 19:56:46 | darienm | George-: i can do it |
| 19:56:50 | darienm | George-: I AM that good |
| 19:56:56 | zaurus | i think u should make a logo in 3dstudio with the letters PW as one letter might look fresh |
| 19:57:03 | George- | darienm: can you? |
| 19:57:06 | darienm | George-: YES |
| 19:57:15 | George- | darienm: and can you make a semi transparent border? :) |
| 19:57:18 | darienm | George-: yes |
| 19:57:19 | George- | darienm: like those other apps? |
| 19:57:25 | darienm | George-: yes again |
| 19:57:30 | George- | darienm: can you do it for me? :) |
| 19:57:40 | darienm | George-: Got a finished or beta app yet? |
| 19:57:59 | George- | nearly |
| 19:58:02 | George- | I have a sorta pre-beta |
| 19:58:03 | George- | ;) |
| 19:58:09 | George- | heh |
| 19:58:15 | darienm | George-: send it to me so I can get a 'feel' for it and make sure the icon fits. |
| 19:58:27 | George- | darienm: heh, it's very simple ;) |
| 19:58:34 | George- | and I mean _very_simple |
| 19:58:35 | George- | hehe |
| 19:58:47 | darienm | George-: tis OK. I like to make sure you're not using colors that will clash or anything. |
| 19:58:50 | warmi | SirPsycho-work: 1460216 seconds idle - that translates into like 17 days |
| 19:58:53 | warmi | uhhh |
| 19:58:58 | zaurus | hehe |
| 19:59:22 | SirPsycho | heh.. i dont have much time at work to chat =) |
| 19:59:30 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:59:37 | George- | darienm: erm, the UI isn't complete yet :) |
| 19:59:51 | warmi | I thought perhaps you went on vacation or something and forgot to log out |
| 19:59:53 | darienm | George-: OK, I'll throw an icon together. I'm using colors of my choice then. |
| 20:00:05 | George- | darienm: it's just like the standard Opie text editor at the moment |
| 20:00:11 | George- | but with less functionality |
| 20:00:13 | SirPsycho | nah.. unix boxes dont need to be rebooted often =) |
| 20:00:17 | George- | heh |
| 20:00:24 | warmi | SirPsycho yeah .. I know |
| 20:00:26 | warmi | heh |
| 20:00:41 | warmi | I was just doing whois to test if my connection is still alive and it just happened to be you |
| 20:01:41 | George- | warmi: yup |
| 20:01:46 | George- | warmi: 405 hours idle :) |
| 20:04:23 | warmi | darienm you have 3d studio ? |
| 20:07:38 | Tenchi | [Global Notice] Global notices are lame |
| 20:08:22 | George- | lol |
| 20:08:28 | George- | /ignore FUNDRAISING NOTI |
| 20:08:33 | George- | worked on XChat :) |
| 20:09:38 | warmi | there was a story about lilo and his famous fundraising on slashdot |
| 20:10:05 | chouimat|nap | George-: check your mail |
| 20:10:36 | George- | k |
| 20:10:42 | George- | you've been emailing in your NAP? |
| 20:10:44 | George- | ;) |
| 20:10:51 | George- | naughty chouimat! |
| 20:12:17 | chouimat|nap | George-: so the icon? |
| 20:12:25 | George- | it's nice |
| 20:12:39 | George- | It just doesn't fit in with the rest of the Qtopia/Opie icons... |
| 20:12:44 | warmi | George- it is also $2 per pixel |
| 20:12:45 | warmi | heeh |
| 20:13:04 | George- | warmi: what is? |
| 20:13:29 | George- | warmi: that's not an icon for HTML editor, it's an icon for his app :) |
| 20:13:49 | warmi | uh .. never mind then |
| 20:13:58 | warmi | George- when are you goign to release the source code ? |
| 20:14:03 | warmi | or perhaps even ipkg |
| 20:14:05 | George- | haha |
| 20:14:11 | George- | warmi: When it's ready to be released, perhaps? |
| 20:14:18 | chouimat | George-: how? |
| 20:14:49 | George- | chouimat: well, the other Opie icons are square, with semi-transparent borders, and are colorful with lots of gradients |
| 20:14:54 | warmi | George: you are talking like Blizzard folks .. "when will Warcraft 2 be releaser", "when it is ready .." |
| 20:14:58 | George- | chouimat: that icon is a bit, well, choppy ;) |
| 20:15:03 | George- | warmi: haha |
| 20:15:10 | George- | warmi: I'm a blizzard fan, what do you expect? |
| 20:15:17 | chouimat | George-: it's a conversion of a windows icon |
| 20:15:24 | warmi | me too |
| 20:15:51 | warmi | however, recently I prefer Ensemble Studios games |
| 20:16:09 | George- | chouimat: argh! :) |
| 20:16:19 | George- | warmi: I like WarCraft 3 and starcraft :) |
| 20:16:26 | George- | enjoys RTS and Turn-Based simulations |
| 20:16:58 | warmi | I loved Warcraft 2 , never liked Starcraft and I am not sure about Warcraft 3 .. I just bought it |
| 20:17:14 | warmi | but so far, the best game I ever played was Age of Kings |
| 20:17:38 | warmi | I like RTS too but ,preferably without magic and unreal stuff |
| 20:17:47 | George- | I love starcraft |
| 20:17:53 | George- | I play it on bnet everyday :) |
| 20:18:13 | George- | has issues |
| 20:22:21 | George- | sugar make me a cake |
| 20:22:21 | Sugar | stirs irish cream liqueur, vodka, butterscotch schnapps, pineapple juice and ice then strains it into a shot glass and serves it to me. |
| 20:22:41 | George- | that's a cake? |
| 20:22:48 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:23:17 | George- | sugar make warmi a decrepid idiot |
| 20:23:28 | warmi | yeah .. Russian liquid cake |
| 20:24:06 | chouimat | George-: check email |
| 20:24:12 | George- | eats the cake |
| 20:24:12 | George- | gets drunk |
| 20:24:16 | George- | walks about dazed |
| 20:24:24 | George- | chouimat: I'm just about to go to bed, do ya mind? |
| 20:24:26 | George- | hehe |
| 20:24:37 | George- | I gtg |
| 20:24:39 | George- | bye |
| 20:37:18 | Microdim | has anybody noticed a problem with installing to the SD Card? |
| 20:37:28 | wParam | i have with some packages |
| 20:37:38 | wParam | do you get that "ipkg says something went wrong" thing? |
| 20:37:43 | Microdim | yes |
| 20:37:44 | TheMasterMind1 | humps his imaginary zaurus again |
| 20:37:49 | wParam | hehe |
| 20:37:55 | wParam | do you get that for every package? |
| 20:38:08 | Microdim | no but almost |
| 20:38:17 | Microdim | a few will install just fine |
| 20:38:19 | wParam | what kind of sd card do you have? |
| 20:38:31 | Microdim | Sandisk 128, I have 2 of them |
| 20:38:36 | Microdim | and I have a MMC 64 MB |
| 20:38:39 | wParam | do you have rom version 2.38? |
| 20:38:45 | Microdim | yup just upgraded |
| 20:39:06 | wParam | hmm. then it should be working... unless the file system got corrupted before you upgraded |
| 20:39:24 | TheMasterMind1 | all the sandisk 128megs worknow? |
| 20:39:31 | wParam | they should |
| 20:39:51 | Microdim | what do you mean...I flashed the unit before the upgrade..so it was like when I first got...No information |
| 20:40:01 | wParam | oh |
| 20:40:10 | wParam | so you didn't use the cacrds on an earlier rom? |
| 20:40:59 | Microdim | I did but I couldn't get everything on the cards so I flashed it upgraded it and decided to start from scratch hoping that would give me better results |
| 20:41:17 | wParam | ok. hmm |
| 20:42:45 | warmi | Microdim is it only when installing to SD or is it happening with CF as well ? |
| 20:43:17 | wParam | is there a way to get a more detailed message then "something went wrong?" |
| 20:43:20 | jt_8211b | :-) |
| 20:43:20 | jt_8211b | kergoth: i got my smc card to work |
| 20:43:27 | Microdim | I havn't tried CF...I guess I could try it on my 340 Microdrive...but I wanted the cf for wireless modem |
| 20:43:27 | warmi | it might be just bad packaging |
| 20:43:46 | warmi | some ipkgs simply either won't work with anything else but RAM because they use symlinks |
| 20:43:50 | warmi | or are just badly packages |
| 20:44:09 | wParam | ooh, is it because of symlinks? |
| 20:44:23 | wParam | i should have formatted that card to ext2 |
| 20:44:25 | warmi | well, SD and CF card tend to be formatted with FAT |
| 20:44:28 | warmi | yeah |
| 20:44:46 | warmi | and some packages come with so libs which are symlinked |
| 20:44:53 | warmi | these will fail on FAT filesystem |
| 20:44:56 | wParam | maybe I will now anyway... not too much stuff to redo |
| 20:45:08 | wParam | I lost all the ram from that stupid reboot issue |
| 20:45:22 | wParam | and the whole ztsd-not-letting-qt-resume problem |
| 20:45:42 | Microdim | if I format my SD card using ext2...my Windows box wont read it will it? |
| 20:45:50 | warmi | Microdim true |
| 20:45:52 | Cloudchaser | hey warmi what's the link to your gameboy emu? |
| 20:45:53 | warmi | that is the problem |
| 20:46:06 | warmi | I still keep all my SD and CF FAT formatted |
| 20:46:18 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/gnuboy.shtml |
| 20:46:20 | wParam | hmm... I don't have a sd reader that isn't the zaurus, so that won't be a problem |
| 20:46:25 | Cloudchaser | thanks |
| 20:46:27 | Cloudchaser | ;0 |
| 20:46:53 | warmi | no problem |
| 20:46:54 | Microdim | I have the sandisk Cruzer |
| 20:47:08 | Cloudchaser | what are some color game boy games? |
| 20:47:14 | Cloudchaser | are there any mario ones? |
| 20:47:16 | mark | warmi: waht did you do for the speedups? |
| 20:47:51 | warmi | mark: get rid of QImage rendering and rendered directly to framebuffer using QDirectPainter + bit of arm ASM |
| 20:47:58 | warmi | Cloudchaser well, I have no clue :-) |
| 20:48:03 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok |
| 20:48:06 | warmi | i tested it with pokemony and some other game |
| 20:48:13 | warmi | I am not much into gameboy games |
| 20:48:14 | mark | warmi: I see |
| 20:48:24 | warmi | I just modified cause I like programming challenges |
| 20:48:25 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:48:28 | mark | hehe |
| 20:48:38 | mark | grr, why wont pppoatm.h show up in /usr/include/linux :/ |
| 20:49:19 | warmi | Cloudchaser try this :http://www.ciudadfutura.com/gamesworld/gameboy.html |
| 20:51:17 | Cloudchaser | cool thanks i'm googling for some names too |
| 20:51:30 | kergoth`gone | hmm, I need to start rock climbing again. i miss it |
| 20:51:41 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: got your mail, thanks for your assistance |
| 20:51:42 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 20:51:42 | mark | kergoth: yeah, its cool |
| 20:51:46 | [DrEvil] | glad you are here |
| 20:51:50 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: any luck? |
| 20:51:51 | [DrEvil] | I have some new issues |
| 20:51:52 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:51:55 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 20:51:56 | kergoth | yay |
| 20:51:57 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 20:51:58 | mark | kergoth: how do things usually get into /usr/include/linux? :) |
| 20:52:02 | kergoth | </smartass> |
| 20:52:06 | [DrEvil] | I decided to delete my buildroot and start over |
| 20:52:13 | [DrEvil] | I did a new CVS checkout |
| 20:52:18 | Cloudchaser | you're welcome..thank you for doing all the oz stuff..and thanks to opie guys too |
| 20:52:20 | kergoth | mark: /usr/include/linux is the include/linux/ headers from an old version of hte linux kernel .. |
| 20:52:43 | kergoth | mark: there's no guarantee that its recent. if you need a kernel header, you're best off including it directly from a kernel source dir. |
| 20:52:46 | [DrEvil] | libc6 extracts the tarball and goes right to the install |
| 20:52:50 | [DrEvil] | without building |
| 20:52:55 | Cloudchaser | sure wish i could read spanish warmi :) |
| 20:53:06 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hah. rm build/stamps/libc6*/stamp-binary .. try again.. |
| 20:53:14 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 20:53:21 | [DrEvil] | I keep doing stuff like make clean |
| 20:53:26 | [DrEvil] | in hopes it will clear the issue |
| 20:53:30 | [DrEvil] | and it doesn't |
| 20:53:42 | mark | kergoth: by old version you mean what? how did those headers get there? |
| 20:54:26 | kergoth | mark: those generally come from libc6-dev .. |
| 20:55:37 | [DrEvil] | it doesn't even run configure |
| 20:55:45 | mark | kergoth: i see. i'll just copy this file over then I think |
| 20:55:49 | [DrEvil] | .Extracting glibc... |
| 20:55:49 | [DrEvil] | Compiling glibc binary... |
| 20:55:49 | [DrEvil] | Installing files from glibc into staging area... |
| 20:55:49 | [DrEvil] | + mkdir -p /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging/lib |
| 20:55:50 | [DrEvil] | + install -m 0755 /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/glibc-2.2.4/installtemp/lib/ld-2.2.4.so /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/staging/lib/. |
| 20:55:51 | [DrEvil] | install: cannot stat `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/glibc-2.2.4/installtemp/lib/ld-2.2.4.so': No such file or directory |
| 20:55:56 | [DrEvil] | make[1]: *** [staginginstall] Error 1 |
| 20:55:58 | [DrEvil] | make: *** [libc6] Error 2 |
| 20:56:09 | [DrEvil] | why oh why is this happening to me |
| 20:56:27 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:56:28 | kergoth | thats weird. |
| 20:57:17 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: does build/glibc-2.2.4/linuxthreads exist? |
| 20:57:24 | mark | kergoth: seems like a poor system. |
| 20:57:33 | kergoth | mark: ? |
| 20:57:41 | mark | kergoth: /usr/include |
| 20:57:54 | kergoth | mark: /usr/include is primarily glibc's headers |
| 20:58:02 | kergoth | mark: glibc requries a set of kernel headers to build against |
| 20:58:17 | kergoth | mark: those kernel headers are that which resides in /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux |
| 20:58:43 | mark | kergoth: yep, gotcha. It'd be nice if something updated them when building a new kernel though (or so it seems to me...) |
| 20:58:44 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 20:58:53 | kergoth | mark: no, it wouldnt. |
| 20:59:02 | mark | kergoth: heh, okay :). explain, i'm ignorant :P |
| 20:59:04 | kergoth | mark: those headers are *NOT* for use by kernel space |
| 20:59:17 | kergoth | mark: i.e. if you're compiling a kernel module, you do not want to use the kernel headers in /usr/include. |
| 20:59:48 | kergoth | mark: and if you're user space, you shouldnt really include them directly at all.... |
| 21:00:34 | kergoth | mark: check kernelnewbies.org .. in the FAQ, there is a quote from Linus regarding this exact issue.. :-) |
| 21:00:54 | mark | kergoth: i'm compiling ppp with a patch for atm in it, which #includes <linux/atmppp.h>, how could it not include it directly? |
| 21:01:01 | mark | kergoth: YOU CALLING ME A NEWBIE? :) heh, okay |
| 21:02:31 | kergoth | mark: sounds like you need to tell ppp where your kernel headers are. |
| 21:02:40 | kergoth | mark: rather than letting it pull in the default ones in /usr/include |
| 21:02:55 | Cloudchaser | oh oh there's a commander keen for gbc! |
| 21:03:10 | kergoth | mark: dood, i'm *still* reading stuff on kernelnewbies and hanging out in the kernelnewbies channel, and i still dont know jack |
| 21:03:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:03:12 | Wembly | kergoth: hihi :) |
| 21:03:20 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: sweet |
| 21:03:22 | kergoth | Wembly: hey |
| 21:03:27 | Cloudchaser | now i just have to find it |
| 21:03:32 | kergoth | Wembly: how was your vacation? |
| 21:03:54 | mark | kergoth: 'userspace programs must use copies of the kernel headers, suitably modified.'. |
| 21:03:59 | Wembly | it was decent. |
| 21:06:05 | KallDRexx | hey all |
| 21:06:28 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: linuxthreads does exist |
| 21:06:34 | mark | kergoth: i'll go and ask in #kernelnewbies, where its slightly more OT :). thanks for ur help |
| 21:06:49 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hm, that means it actually ran stuff from BinaryCmds .. |
| 21:07:32 | [DrEvil] | that's good to know... |
| 21:07:33 | [DrEvil] | I think |
| 21:07:44 | [DrEvil] | is there anyway to make libc6.mk more verbose? |
| 21:10:02 | kergoth | set -ex is your friend |
| 21:10:04 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:10:17 | kergoth | put it at the beginning of each shell code block.. within BinaryCmds, BinaryStagingInstallCmds, etc |
| 21:10:45 | Wembly | wtf does set -ex do? |
| 21:11:04 | kergoth | fuck |
| 21:11:09 | kergoth | gdb uses a lot of mem |
| 21:11:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:11:32 | kergoth | Wembly: 1) causes execution to die if any shell command returns with a non positive exit status, 2) displays each command run as it runs it |
| 21:11:51 | Wembly | spiffs |
| 21:12:27 | kergoth | s/non positive/non zero/; |
| 21:12:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:14:44 | KallDRexx | hey Teax |
| 21:14:50 | Teax | hi KallDRexx |
| 21:16:08 | Teax | KallDrexx: did you do the movements with mouse? |
| 21:16:18 | KallDrexx | Teax: just got home from work =( |
| 21:16:23 | KallDrexx | 5 min ago |
| 21:16:43 | KallDrexx | Teax: heh just getting myself relaxed, about to take dogs out, then it's CRUNCH time ;) |
| 21:21:05 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I think it is getting as far as $(AUTOCONF; \ and stopping |
| 21:21:51 | kergoth | set -ex help? |
| 21:21:56 | kergoth | autoconf.. hm |
| 21:22:14 | [DrEvil] | not really |
| 21:22:20 | kergoth | actually you dont *need* to use autoconf to recreate the configure script for libc |
| 21:22:22 | kergoth | you could remove that line |
| 21:22:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:22:47 | [DrEvil] | there is just something weird with that block of libc6.mk |
| 21:22:56 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:23:05 | [DrEvil] | oh wait |
| 21:23:08 | [DrEvil] | that looks better |
| 21:23:41 | [DrEvil] | that whole block was light blue in syntax highlighting |
| 21:23:48 | [DrEvil] | it just didn't look right |
| 21:23:57 | [DrEvil] | but when I deleted the autoconf line it looked better |
| 21:23:58 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 21:24:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:24:04 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:24:05 | kergoth | ah well |
| 21:24:16 | [DrEvil] | but now I should see if it works |
| 21:24:31 | [DrEvil] | CC=$(CC) ./configure --host $(ARCH)-$(OS) --build ... |
| 21:24:34 | [DrEvil] | does that look right |
| 21:24:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:24:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 21:24:58 | kergoth | CC=$(CC) seems highly redundant |
| 21:25:00 | kergoth | but not harmful |
| 21:25:03 | kergoth | that should be fine |
| 21:25:04 | [DrEvil] | why are you setting the CC variable on the configure line |
| 21:25:18 | kergoth | its already set, as i said its redundant |
| 21:25:27 | kergoth | you can set env variables on the same line as an execution like that |
| 21:25:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:25:33 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 21:25:37 | [DrEvil] | it just seems... |
| 21:25:39 | [DrEvil] | out of place |
| 21:25:48 | kergoth | so remove it |
| 21:25:51 | kergoth | its redundant :-) |
| 21:26:00 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 21:26:05 | [DrEvil] | it's running configure |
| 21:26:18 | [DrEvil] | you might want to rip out the autoconf line from the cvs libc.mk |
| 21:27:05 | kergoth | yeah, the included configure script should be fine |
| 21:27:24 | kergoth | but that shouldnt have caused an issue |
| 21:27:27 | [DrEvil] | configure worked fine |
| 21:27:35 | kergoth | i dont like your weird autoconf perl scripty stuff |
| 21:27:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:27:38 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:27:52 | [DrEvil] | + make BUILD_CC=gcc CC=arm-linux-gcc CXX=arm-linux-g++ |
| 21:27:52 | [DrEvil] | mkdir ../gnu |
| 21:28:13 | [DrEvil] | the perl script is Mangdrake's doing |
| 21:28:20 | kergoth | yeh i know |
| 21:29:54 | [DrEvil] | I need to go driving with this CD |
| 21:36:48 | [DrEvil] | I need a faster computer |
| 21:38:49 | warmi | [DrEvil] no, you don't ... |
| 21:38:58 | [DrEvil] | yes I do |
| 21:39:07 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: nah, you just need to not have to rebuild glibc repeatedly ;-) |
| 21:39:12 | warmi | you computer is still most likely 10 times faster tahn anything available on the market just 10 years ago |
| 21:39:24 | [DrEvil] | this isn't 10 years ago |
| 21:40:14 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 21:40:25 | [DrEvil] | I only have a P3 Katami with 512 megs of RAM |
| 21:41:01 | kergoth | only has a tbird 1.2ghz with *256megs of ram*! |
| 21:41:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:41:08 | kergoth | man, i should buy another gig of ram |
| 21:41:11 | kergoth | i'm seriously hurtin there |
| 21:41:36 | warmi | my next box will be .. |
| 21:41:45 | warmi | dual 1800 Athlon |
| 21:41:48 | darienm | Argh, where did George go? |
| 21:41:51 | warmi | for about $500 including memory |
| 21:42:07 | kergoth | warmi: heh, good price. from where? |
| 21:43:03 | warmi | http://www.krex.com/Ppmain.asp?sg=1&gr=1&it=4&si=30 |
| 21:43:13 | warmi | 2 athlon mts , $147 each |
| 21:43:20 | warmi | plust $200 motherboard |
| 21:43:28 | HomerG | I'm trying to run a program and it say it can't find the library libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3. Can I copy this over from my Linux box? |
| 21:43:45 | warmi | actually + $100 for decent amount of 266 mem will come closer to $600 .. |
| 21:43:49 | warmi | still not bad |
| 21:44:01 | kergoth | not at all |
| 21:44:06 | kergoth | ddr has come down a lot.. |
| 21:44:13 | warmi | and krex800 are not even the cheapest place around |
| 21:44:22 | [DrEvil] | I have an Athalon 1.3 T-Bird sitting here |
| 21:44:26 | warmi | I used them couse they are close to where I live |
| 21:44:28 | warmi | I can drive there |
| 21:44:28 | [DrEvil] | but it is my Windoze box |
| 21:45:00 | kergoth | I havent spent money on my computer in so long |
| 21:45:17 | kergoth | i have 12gb of hd in this thing now that my 60gb ibm archive went toast.. thats it |
| 21:45:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:45:49 | warmi | that's your own damn fault that you haven't :-) |
| 21:45:58 | warmi | it is not like you have wife and kids to take care of |
| 21:47:03 | warmi | you are spenging it one something else or perhaps , uh .. saving |
| 21:47:04 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:47:08 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:47:09 | kergoth | man |
| 21:47:13 | kergoth | I just bought a townhouse |
| 21:47:19 | kergoth | i have no roommate |
| 21:47:21 | kergoth | and i work in tech support |
| 21:47:23 | kergoth | I'm *broke* |
| 21:47:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:47:31 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 21:47:35 | [DrEvil] | why do you work tech support? |
| 21:47:48 | kergoth | cause I have no degree and havent landed a coding or admin job? |
| 21:47:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:47:53 | TheMasterMind1 | now releasing.. unopenZaurus.. the paid version of openZaurus |
| 21:47:54 | kergoth | starts job hunting again |
| 21:47:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hah |
| 21:48:01 | TheMasterMind1 | so people can make money and buy computer stuff |
| 21:49:43 | warmi | kergoth go to school then or perhaps go the other way .. make yourself known int he community and then your lack of degree won't matter anymore as long as you stay employed withint that community |
| 21:49:48 | Wembly | omg |
| 21:49:50 | warmi | frankly, OZ is a great start |
| 21:49:55 | Wembly | if he's broke how can he goto school? |
| 21:50:05 | [DrEvil] | I did admin stuff |
| 21:50:09 | [DrEvil] | then I got laid off |
| 21:50:13 | [DrEvil] | and no one wants to hire me |
| 21:50:14 | warmi | Wembly : nah .. coommunity college is cheap as dirt |
| 21:50:21 | Wembly | warmi: yea right |
| 21:50:25 | scanline | submit OpenZaurus to linuxfund.org :) |
| 21:50:31 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:50:41 | kergoth | Wembly: i can get a loan, then get farther in debt.. oh joy.. |
| 21:50:42 | warmi | it is ... $500 for a semester |
| 21:50:43 | kergoth | Wembly: hehe |
| 21:50:47 | warmi | that's not bad |
| 21:50:56 | kergoth | well, I can look for scholarships i suppose |
| 21:51:01 | kergoth | but i've been out of school too long |
| 21:51:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:51:09 | [DrEvil] | I want to go back to school |
| 21:51:16 | [DrEvil] | I am trying to get a job at the UW |
| 21:51:25 | warmi | not in this country :-) .. tons of people go to college in their 30s, 40s or even 50.s |
| 21:51:31 | kergoth | true |
| 21:51:59 | kergoth | course I know I'd go back to college and have no idea what to major in again |
| 21:52:07 | DrBoB | nevdr hesitate to borrow money for education...... no matter how astronomical the sums may seem |
| 21:52:08 | warmi | math |
| 21:52:09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:52:11 | warmi | that never fails |
| 21:52:21 | [DrEvil] | ugh |
| 21:52:22 | [DrEvil] | math |
| 21:52:28 | warmi | seriously, having computer background and knowing math you are set for life |
| 21:52:31 | warmi | trust me :-) |
| 21:52:38 | [DrEvil] | calculus |
| 21:52:39 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 21:52:47 | kergoth | warmi: i was thinking perhaps EE, or CS, or psychology, or theoretical physics |
| 21:52:52 | DrBoB | it will pay off in the end and youwill pay back the loans in short order |
| 21:52:55 | kergoth | last time i was in school anyway |
| 21:53:21 | [DrEvil] | well with a CS degree with a psych minor you can get UI jobs |
| 21:53:27 | warmi | psychology is basically worthless degree as far as computer filed is concerned |
| 21:53:33 | DrBoB | EE and CS will pay off...psych and physics won't |
| 21:53:38 | warmi | they will always ask for "related" degree |
| 21:53:39 | kergoth | warmi: I know, i never said i wanted to go into computers :-) |
| 21:53:46 | warmi | kergoth hahahahah |
| 21:53:48 | [DrEvil] | human computer interface design |
| 21:53:50 | kergoth | warmi: i still havent decided what I want to do in general. |
| 21:53:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:54:18 | kergoth | DrBoB: depends on what you mean by pay off. perhaps financially you're right. |
| 21:54:24 | Wembly | sighs and perfers not to think about jobs :/ |
| 21:54:45 | Wembly | esp not comp sci degree jobs.. *sigh* |
| 21:55:16 | Wembly | i never really understood why comp sci majors are automatically assumed to have the skills to program. |
| 21:55:36 | warmi | DrBoB physics will pay off |
| 21:55:42 | warmi | they will consider it related degree |
| 21:55:55 | DrBoB | I mean.... you can nickel and dime yourself into failure.... if they are willing to loan you money... just get it..... the worst that can happen is you file bankrupcy..... |
| 21:56:08 | [DrEvil] | and that is pretty bad |
| 21:56:18 | kergoth | indeed |
| 21:56:27 | kergoth | I dont feel like watching my credit go into the shitter, so to speak |
| 21:56:40 | [DrEvil] | I had a student loan |
| 21:56:43 | [DrEvil] | and I hated it |
| 21:57:08 | kergoth | I already have enough debt from the townhouse, I'd prefer to avoid a student loan unless I *have* to |
| 21:57:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:57:16 | DrBoB | think of it as investing in your most valuable asset: your brain |
| 21:57:19 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 21:57:25 | KallDrexx | Does the zaurus have a mouse move or is it just a mousepress in a different area? |
| 21:57:26 | [DrEvil] | townhouses are secured loans |
| 21:57:30 | [DrEvil] | student loans aren't |
| 21:58:57 | DrBoB | I just made abig payment of $30K and now only have $26K to pay back...I'll pay allstudent loans off before Xmas |
| 21:59:32 | kergoth | DrBoB: what are you doing for work, if you dont mind my asking? |
| 21:59:36 | DrBoB | And I have only been working for 2 years at full salary |
| 21:59:50 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 21:59:57 | [DrEvil] | he is a doctor after all |
| 22:00:02 | DrBoB | Medicine |
| 22:00:06 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:00:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:00:31 | warmi | DrBoB : uh .. |
| 22:00:53 | warmi | if the trial lawyers get their way .. your days are numbered :-) |
| 22:00:58 | DrBoB | I was $80K in debt when I finished school |
| 22:00:58 | warmi | and I am only half-jokingf |
| 22:01:27 | kergoth | gah |
| 22:01:34 | kergoth | the first couple years of college are going to suck |
| 22:01:36 | kergoth | fucking generals |
| 22:01:40 | scanline | really needs to clean his desk |
| 22:01:44 | [DrEvil] | DeVry |
| 22:01:47 | Tenchi | generals are why i dropped out of college, hah |
| 22:01:55 | Tenchi | that and cocky professors who got nothing to back up their arrogance |
| 22:02:03 | warmi | who's generals ? |
| 22:02:12 | kergoth | Tenchi: i only went for a year.. lost my motivation to do what felt like a waste of time |
| 22:02:18 | Tenchi | general education... those classes that do not even remotely interest you |
| 22:02:19 | kergoth | warmi: general courses |
| 22:02:22 | warmi | I never studied in US college for extensive period of time |
| 22:02:26 | warmi | ah .. |
| 22:02:28 | kergoth | actually I was interested in every subject area |
| 22:02:31 | r00 | i never went 2 class |
| 22:02:34 | warmi | nah .. if you like psych you should like this stuff |
| 22:02:34 | Tenchi | kergoth: i went for 2 years, dropped out with 24 more credits left to go |
| 22:02:36 | warmi | at least some of it |
| 22:02:39 | r00 | still got a 3.7 |
| 22:02:40 | kergoth | r00: that was my rpoblem :-) |
| 22:02:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:02:49 | r00 | school a joke |
| 22:02:56 | r00 | Tulane University |
| 22:02:58 | warmi | kergoth try this ... I had to take Latin in my first year of CS |
| 22:03:02 | kergoth | our school system is most definately a joke |
| 22:03:06 | warmi | first semester actually |
| 22:03:08 | kergoth | warmi: I always wanted to learn latin. |
| 22:03:18 | kergoth | warmi: i was going to take it even though i didnt need to for my curriculum |
| 22:03:18 | warmi | part of "well rounded individual" education |
| 22:03:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:03:27 | r00 | skewl = party |
| 22:04:01 | DrBoB | I don't yet fear the Lawers: I've got nothing for them to take away |
| 22:04:08 | [DrEvil] | I had some interesting professors |
| 22:04:09 | warmi | kergoth : nec hercules contra plures |
| 22:04:11 | DrBoB | Lawyers, rather |
| 22:04:13 | warmi | I still remember that :-) |
| 22:04:14 | [DrEvil] | and some that sucked |
| 22:04:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:04:43 | [DrEvil] | my English 101 professor didn't believe in final exams even though the school required them |
| 22:05:03 | r00 | i dont remember my professors |
| 22:05:06 | r00 | hehe |
| 22:05:08 | [DrEvil] | so we all showed up on the finals day he looked at us (exam) and gave us our semester grade |
| 22:05:18 | sjohnson | My kind of prof |
| 22:05:22 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hah |
| 22:05:25 | warmi | DrBoB : but some day you will |
| 22:05:29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:05:38 | kergoth | downloads denis leary's asshole mp3 |
| 22:05:40 | [DrEvil] | then there was my PoliSci prof |
| 22:05:42 | warmi | and the way things are going now ... |
| 22:05:43 | [DrEvil] | he was a piece of work |
| 22:06:00 | [DrEvil] | it was bad is you sat in the front row |
| 22:06:12 | [DrEvil] | one girl named kay became known as yak for the whole semester |
| 22:06:30 | [DrEvil] | "Did you know your name spelled backwards is Yak?" |
| 22:06:34 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:06:55 | Tenchi | heh i worked with a guy named bob who used to introduce himself and point out that his named spelled backwards was also bob |
| 22:07:06 | [DrEvil] | he constantly refered to the president of the university as "Yar" |
| 22:07:09 | warmi | [DrEvil] ] that's the beauty of college ... some many diverse characters :-) |
| 22:07:14 | DrBoB | perhaps.... but, it's just money really |
| 22:07:18 | kergoth | Tenchi: see, someone like that just needs to get their ass kicked.. just out of principl |
| 22:07:20 | kergoth | Tenchi: hehe |
| 22:07:21 | [DrEvil] | I'll let you guess what his first name was |
| 22:07:27 | r00 | i need 2 learn linux |
| 22:07:34 | [DrEvil] | our Criminal Justice instructor baked us cookies |
| 22:07:38 | DrBoB | That's what malpractice insurance is for |
| 22:07:54 | r00 | can anyone make some suggestions as to where to begin? |
| 22:07:56 | [DrEvil] | +that was a fun course |
| 22:08:02 | [DrEvil] | going on ride alongs with the police |
| 22:08:06 | [DrEvil] | warmie |
| 22:08:09 | kergoth | r00: the web. read. |
| 22:08:15 | [DrEvil] | I haven't got to the part about bad profs |
| 22:08:16 | warmi | DrBoB : yeah .. and paying $200 000 a year for malpractice is driving many doctors out of the business |
| 22:08:32 | Tenchi | bob was a rather large texan... wouldnt want top mess with him |
| 22:08:38 | [DrEvil] | one calculus intstructor didn't like that the school required us to use calculators |
| 22:08:39 | r00 | true, thanks |
| 22:08:47 | [DrEvil] | he would not accept it |
| 22:08:51 | Tenchi | would give you the shirt off his back, all the ladies loved him cuz he was "like a big teddy bear" |
| 22:08:54 | warmi | DrBoB : I am not saying that being doc is a bad choice .. it is just these days trial lawyers have friends in DC and that is always dangerous |
| 22:08:57 | Tenchi | but he didnt take any shit from anyone |
| 22:08:58 | KallDrexx | why would the shcool force you to use calculators? |
| 22:09:06 | [DrEvil] | so he made the exams in such a way as they could not be solved by using a calculator |
| 22:09:17 | Tenchi | his first day at work the CTO came into his office and asked him if he could borrow a terminal real quick... |
| 22:09:18 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: heh. thatd suck |
| 22:09:33 | [DrEvil] | my HP48 was like smoking |
| 22:09:39 | Tenchi | bob turned his head and looked at him over his shoulder and said in his heavy texas accent, "Getcher own goddamn computer" |
| 22:09:41 | DrBoB | Sure, I feel the pressure ...but I try not to let it affect the way I practice |
| 22:09:47 | [DrEvil] | and then there was my data structures prof |
| 22:09:49 | [DrEvil] | idiot |
| 22:09:50 | warmi | hehehe |
| 22:09:52 | Tenchi | was hilarious |
| 22:09:53 | kergoth | Tenchi: hehe |
| 22:09:54 | [DrEvil] | he taught us data structures |
| 22:10:02 | [DrEvil] | but neglected to teach us C |
| 22:10:12 | [DrEvil] | so most everyone failed |
| 22:10:17 | warmi | [DrEvil] that's much better than the other way around |
| 22:10:19 | DrBoB | the key to not being sued is to have a good relationship with one's patients |
| 22:10:21 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hah. theory without practice? |
| 22:10:25 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 22:10:38 | Tenchi | but not TOO good of a relationship right? :) |
| 22:11:10 | [DrEvil] | one compsci prof told us to write a program to teach basic math to a child |
| 22:11:12 | scanline | where the hell did I put my soldering iron.... |
| 22:11:17 | warmi | DrBoB : well, it is not about you being sued but about price of being in business being very high |
| 22:11:18 | [DrEvil] | and make it appealing to a child |
| 22:11:19 | [DrEvil] | so I did |
| 22:11:20 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: people like that are why there are so many people with degrees who cant code worth a shit. theory is nothing without practical experience |
| 22:11:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:11:25 | kergoth | blah |
| 22:11:25 | [DrEvil] | I wrote a text spinner |
| 22:11:35 | [DrEvil] | with / |\- |
| 22:11:39 | [DrEvil] | that stuff |
| 22:11:41 | [DrEvil] | it looked cool |
| 22:11:53 | Tenchi | i like interviewing PhDs who cant write a java program on a whiteboard |
| 22:11:57 | warmi | DrBoB you heard what is happening in Nevada ... Las Vegas ? |
| 22:11:59 | [DrEvil] | the TA wrote in big red print "Don't use "spin" |
| 22:12:00 | Wembly | eeek |
| 22:12:12 | Wembly | java programs icky |
| 22:12:17 | Wembly | *runs away* |
| 22:12:20 | warmi | they had to enact a special law to keep doctors from being sued cause there was no one to take care of emergencies |
| 22:12:32 | warmi | something like that |
| 22:12:37 | [DrEvil] | ok kergoth |
| 22:12:41 | [DrEvil] | glibc has compiled |
| 22:12:47 | [DrEvil] | and we are back to the original problem |
| 22:12:55 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i was afriad you'd say that |
| 22:12:57 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:12:59 | [DrEvil] | touch: creating `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/stamps/gconv-modules*/stamp-binary': No such file or directory |
| 22:12:59 | [DrEvil] | touch: creating `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/stamps/libc6*/stamp-binary': No such file or directory |
| 22:12:59 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 22:13:11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:13:12 | [DrEvil] | that stuff |
| 22:13:14 | scanline | kergoth: as soon as I get my ubernoisy desktop soldered back into one piece I'll be able to try OZ on a Debian box :) |
| 22:13:21 | TheMasterMind1 | why would it say error creating file if its trying to touch it? |
| 22:13:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: touch will try to create the file if it doesnt exist |
| 22:13:58 | DrBoB | don't worry, it will all come to a head and burst like a boil .... the corruption will be purged. I think eventually, the government will just nationalize medicine and all us doctors will become government employees |
| 22:14:02 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I can't let you get off that easy |
| 22:14:07 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hrm |
| 22:14:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: exactly, so why is it giving an error |
| 22:14:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: becauset he directories dont exist |
| 22:14:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if the directories dont exist it cant very well creat() |
| 22:14:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:14:55 | [DrEvil] | but the good news is that I didn't modify the locales.alias lines and it still built |
| 22:15:41 | scanline | kergoth: I was wondering if you'd mind adding me to the OZ project on sourceforge, I'm expecting to be doing a lot of work on the picogui .mk's and making the OZ build system work on Gentoo |
| 22:15:43 | warmi | DrBoB you don't want that do you ? |
| 22:15:49 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: did you add set -ex lines within the subshells that contain the touch commands? if so, dont. |
| 22:15:52 | mehuman | hi i need to connect a gps serial device to my zaurus the only cables that i find are about $50 are those the ceahpest out there? |
| 22:15:55 | kergoth | scanline: yeah no problem |
| 22:16:00 | warmi | that would surely make paying off your loan way more difficult |
| 22:16:02 | scanline | kergoth: cool beans |
| 22:16:06 | Wembly | whatfor is gentoo? |
| 22:16:07 | warmi | anyway but that's your choice :-) |
| 22:16:35 | prpplague | kergoth: is it alright to move a needed header file into staging/usr/include? |
| 22:16:39 | scanline | Wembly: a linux distro, http://gentoo.org |
| 22:16:44 | DrBoB | I don't care.... as long as I have regular sleep, meals and a place to live...I'm happy |
| 22:16:48 | KallDrexx | eek gentoo |
| 22:16:48 | kergoth | prpplague: what is it? |
| 22:16:54 | prpplague | kergoth: apm.h |
| 22:17:00 | [DrEvil] | the only ones with set -ex are BinaryCmds and BinaryStagingInstallCmds |
| 22:17:09 | [DrEvil] | and the BinaryStagingInstallCmds was in there already |
| 22:17:10 | prpplague | kergoth: from the apmd build |
| 22:17:18 | warmi | DrBoB: yeah ... but having some extra cash for toys like for example Zaurus, is always nice |
| 22:17:22 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:17:25 | kergoth | prpplague: ah go right ahead. alter the apmd to include it |
| 22:17:27 | kergoth | yawns |
| 22:17:31 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: okay good.. hmm |
| 22:17:43 | warmi | kergoth I lost the track ... |
| 22:17:52 | warmi | did you finally upgrade your work servers ? |
| 22:17:58 | prpplague | kergoth: alter the apmd.mk to move the file? |
| 22:18:02 | kergoth | warmi: yeah i did |
| 22:18:06 | kergoth | prpplague: where is it now? |
| 22:18:18 | DrBoB | warmi: I don't think that will be a problem no matter who I work for |
| 22:18:22 | prpplague | kergoth: it stays in the apmd build dir |
| 22:18:28 | kergoth | prpplague: just add a line to the Staging install cmds in apmd to copy it over |
| 22:18:31 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: `source /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/source; for i in ; do _source_destpath $i /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/dl; done;' |
| 22:18:31 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 22:18:32 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: `( true; ); for i in ; do for j in ; do if [ ! -e $i ]; then if (echo $j | grep `echo $i|sed -e 's,.*/,,g;'` >/dev/null 2>&1); then echo Obtaining sources of libc6...; source /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/source; _source $j $i; fi; fi; done; done; ' |
| 22:18:42 | [DrEvil] | so other than the touch line errors... |
| 22:18:45 | [DrEvil] | that is the rest |
| 22:18:55 | prpplague | kergoth: ya that was what i had in mind, but i wanted to check with you first |
| 22:18:57 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: christ, its trying to obtain sources again? wtf. |
| 22:19:21 | warmi | DrBoB: well, good for you .. you truly seem to be more interested in helping people than making money and that's rare :-) |
| 22:19:22 | [DrEvil] | that is what I infer from the errors |
| 22:19:55 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: as long as the sources exist in sources/dl/ it shouldnt try again.. thats so fucked |
| 22:20:03 | kergoth | blah |
| 22:21:17 | warmi | scanline : you run gentoo ? |
| 22:21:18 | kergoth | rewrites his resume and puts together a program for him to go back to school |
| 22:21:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:21:43 | scanline | warmi: yep. Gentoo on my laptop, Debian on my desktop |
| 22:21:58 | warmi | scanline: no windows in sight ? |
| 22:22:01 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:22:17 | bbeattie | Anyone know if there is a converter for pdb ebooks to qpsword format? |
| 22:22:23 | scanline | warmi: my laptop is PPC, so no windows on there. I have a win2k partition on my Desktop that I use rarely |
| 22:22:25 | warmi | kergoth I was thinking about going back to school |
| 22:22:26 | KallDrexx | scanline: has gentoo imploved? |
| 22:22:27 | DrBoB | hehehe.... as docs go, I'm a weirdo. Example: I took 1.5 years off about a year ago...because I was getting burnt out and wanted to do some amateur astronomy and ham radio stuff.... it was a nice break |
| 22:22:41 | scanline | KallDrexx: how so? |
| 22:22:54 | KallDrexx | scanline: heh portage was having many problems when I used gentoo |
| 22:22:58 | KallDrexx | made me switch to debian |
| 22:22:59 | warmi | kergoth: but, as you know, it is kind of hard to make that commitment once you cross certain age :-) |
| 22:23:09 | kergoth | warmi: oh yes, i know all too well |
| 22:23:11 | scanline | KallDrexx: i've seen the occasional broken package, but for the most part is smooth |
| 22:23:22 | kergoth | warmi: I wish i never took that proverbial 'year off to take a break from school' ... |
| 22:23:23 | scanline | KallDrexx: I still like Debian a bit better, but Gentoo is definately worth a try |
| 22:23:24 | kergoth | warmi: heh |
| 22:23:29 | warmi | kergoth I am 32 |
| 22:23:37 | DrBoB | So noce to be able to get up whenever I want and piddle around all day and travel around without worry |
| 22:23:40 | warmi | and you are most likely even yougner than that |
| 22:23:40 | KallDrexx | scanline: heh I treid gentoo THEN debian, I love debian :) |
| 22:23:46 | scanline | :) |
| 22:23:48 | kergoth | warmi: i'm 22 |
| 22:23:50 | DrBoB | nocev =nice |
| 22:23:54 | warmi | oh come on :-) |
| 22:24:01 | warmi | that's nothing .. |
| 22:24:06 | warmi | you can easily go back to school |
| 22:24:17 | KallDrexx | scanline: hehe my friend kept telling me I hsould switch to debian... and when I did I found out how right he was :) |
| 22:24:51 | wParam | I'm about to install debian right now... bye bye win2k |
| 22:24:55 | warmi | scanline: what's is so great about Debian beside their pkg tool ? |
| 22:24:57 | kergoth | warmi: oh i will, no worries |
| 22:24:58 | KallDrexx | wParam: have fun |
| 22:25:02 | warmi | I mean it is linux after all, is it not ? |
| 22:25:05 | DrBoB | bbs ... food time |
| 22:25:11 | KallDrexx | heh I have win2k on my computer but I only use it for the few games that don't work with wineX |
| 22:25:19 | kergoth | warmi: linux is linux. if you know what you're doing you can make any linux distro into what you want |
| 22:25:30 | KallDrexx | warmi: the package tool is a lot better than it seems :) |
| 22:25:34 | kergoth | warmi: the only substantial difference is the packaging tool, cause its a bitch to change midstride |
| 22:25:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:26:00 | warmi | kergoth that's what I thought .. the only reason I run RH is cause most of the stuff I find on the net comes with the description how to install it or make it work on RH machine :-) |
| 22:26:26 | warmi | and , beside, I don't like Debian stance on some political and social issues |
| 22:26:26 | scanline | warmi: Debian just has great packaging tools, and a huge number of packages |
| 22:26:28 | kergoth | warmi: ah yeah, dont blame you there. redhat was my 2nd distro, and I used it for *years* before i finally tried debian |
| 22:26:33 | warmi | it is a stricly technical business here |
| 22:26:38 | KallDrexx | warmi: like what? |
| 22:26:43 | warmi | no place for "social " goals |
| 22:26:48 | KallDrexx | huh? |
| 22:26:56 | scanline | warmi: Compared to .debs, .rpm is a pain in the ass (IMHO) |
| 22:27:00 | warmi | their stupid insistence on prefering even inferior but free tools over commercial ones |
| 22:27:11 | warmi | the way they handled KDE was disgracefull |
| 22:27:20 | KallDrexx | hwy? |
| 22:27:23 | KallDrexx | what did they do? |
| 22:27:44 | warmi | Debian+ RMS were and , to some extend, stil are against KDE and specially Qt |
| 22:27:54 | warmi | just because Qt daren to go commercial |
| 22:28:10 | imm | servus |
| 22:28:18 | kergoth | re imm, jbwiv |
| 22:28:20 | imm | killefiz: ? |
| 22:28:20 | scanline | just stays away from both KDE and GNOME :) |
| 22:28:23 | warmi | that's what bothers me .. if I am looking for OS I am looking for a tool and not certain philosophy |
| 22:28:27 | kergoth | warmi: I tend to ignore such poltics and do my own thing |
| 22:28:36 | kergoth | warmi: I dont give a shit about the underlying philosophy |
| 22:28:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:28:51 | warmi | kergoth yeah |
| 22:28:52 | kergoth | *hates* drama and political maneuvering |
| 22:29:11 | imm | kergoth: wanna test v0.3 ? |
| 22:29:18 | KallDrexx | hey jbwiv |
| 22:29:18 | kergoth | imm: sure |
| 22:29:21 | jbwiv | hello all, kergoth |
| 22:29:21 | KallDrexx | hey imm |
| 22:29:30 | jbwiv | hello KallDrexx... |
| 22:29:41 | KallDrexx | jbwiv: heh pressed tabb after typing in imm, but hey anyway :) |
| 22:29:52 | kergoth | ponders how to structure his program to land a BS degree in the shortest period of time |
| 22:30:01 | KallDrexx | linux has gotten me to rpess tab as a habit :) |
| 22:30:16 | warmi | kergoth 4 years .. I don't think you can squeze it more than that |
| 22:30:27 | warmi | do plan to work while studying ? |
| 22:30:28 | jbwiv | KallDrexx: I'll accept that as a hello anyway ;-) |
| 22:30:44 | KallDrexx | hehe +) |
| 22:30:48 | kergoth | warmi: yep. I have to if i plan on keeping the townhouse. it'll be a challenge. |
| 22:31:09 | kergoth | warmi: I wonder if the college here allows testing out of the general courses. maybe i could compress the first year down a bit |
| 22:31:24 | imm | kergoth: you can change the direction of the pointer with "b" |
| 22:31:48 | warmi | well, perhaps you can get some "life experience" credits for some of this stuff |
| 22:31:48 | kergoth | imm: k |
| 22:31:52 | imm | anyone know the keycode for the "rocket-key" ? |
| 22:31:52 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:31:55 | warmi | some schools do that |
| 22:31:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:32:03 | Kento | what are the buttons for gnuboy |
| 22:32:10 | KallDrexx | imm: you get rotation working? |
| 22:32:15 | KallDrexx | hey chouimat |
| 22:32:18 | kergoth | warmi: well except my 'life experience' is all side stuff, the only work experience is tech support.. it'll be tough to use that |
| 22:32:31 | chouimat | het KallDrexx |
| 22:32:37 | warmi | D-Pad: 4 directions |
| 22:32:38 | warmi | Enter: Start |
| 22:32:39 | warmi | Space: Select |
| 22:32:40 | warmi | L : B button |
| 22:32:41 | warmi | J : A button |
| 22:32:47 | Kento | danke |
| 22:32:53 | imm | KallDrexx: yep, but just with b, now clue about the Z keyboard |
| 22:32:53 | warmi | kergoth yeah .. I guess |
| 22:33:03 | kergoth | ah well |
| 22:33:06 | warmi | well, frankly, some of this stuff you might even enjoy |
| 22:33:21 | kergoth | probably. I tend to have varied interests |
| 22:33:27 | kergoth | but I dont want to waste *time* |
| 22:33:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33:36 | warmi | most likely you will have relatively wide selection |
| 22:33:56 | imm | kergoth: any success ? |
| 22:34:03 | warmi | you can perhaps substitute Culture and Art Of Mexico with "history of western civilization" . . things like that |
| 22:34:18 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:34:20 | kergoth | imm: hold |
| 22:35:53 | warmi | what's rocket-key ? |
| 22:35:58 | warmi | the one in the middle ? |
| 22:36:58 | imm | i think you proposed i shoul take the rocket key :) ? |
| 22:37:05 | warmi | rocker |
| 22:37:10 | MarkNovak | hey homeboys |
| 22:37:17 | imm | rokzor |
| 22:37:21 | warmi | ok .. then it goes like that : |
| 22:37:41 | imm | l33t rooZr |
| 22:37:52 | warmi | QT::Key_Up and other directions ( Down, Left etc) stand for rocker D-Pad buttons |
| 22:37:55 | MarkNovak | r00 |
| 22:38:06 | warmi | and the middle button I think is Qt::Key_Space |
| 22:38:08 | Wembly | you know what ill never understand... |
| 22:38:14 | Wembly | why the dpad is always in the center. |
| 22:38:18 | | erikd was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 52 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: but it's for game boy advance [Sun Aug 18 19:45:39 2002] |
| 22:38:18 | MarkNovak | ibot: seen erikd? |
| 22:38:22 | kergoth | imm: nice.. need a better key for the switch, but it plays well |
| 22:38:23 | Wembly | gameboy never had it in the center... |
| 22:38:28 | warmi | Wembly cause it looks neat :-) |
| 22:38:34 | Wembly | no handheld game system had it in the center. |
| 22:38:42 | Wembly | why should we have icky usablity with the dpad? |
| 22:38:47 | imm | kergoth: which one ? |
| 22:38:56 | kergoth | imm: 'b' .. |
| 22:39:02 | MarkNovak | Im making a first person shooter for the Zaurus |
| 22:39:08 | kergoth | imm: I agree, bidning it to the center button of the rocker would be good |
| 22:39:11 | Wembly | stick a gameboy button layout on the Z and itd be perfect. |
| 22:39:17 | warmi | MarkNovak 1st person ? |
| 22:39:21 | MarkNovak | using w-forward, a-left,s-back, and d right |
| 22:39:21 | scanline | MarkNovak: raycasting? |
| 22:39:23 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 22:39:31 | scanline | loves raycasting |
| 22:39:32 | Wembly | tho the center button in the dpad is cute :) |
| 22:39:43 | imm | warmi: so that is Key_Space ? |
| 22:39:54 | warmi | kergoth : I would go even further .. bind it to all d-pad buttons so one doesn't have to worry about hitting the center one |
| 22:39:54 | comfrey | does anyone know of a portable external power source suitable for the Z? |
| 22:39:56 | Wembly | why not have customizable key layouts? |
| 22:40:00 | warmi | imm: I think so |
| 22:40:03 | kergoth | warmi: thats a good idea. |
| 22:40:03 | Wembly | why predefine the key layouts? |
| 22:40:09 | MarkNovak | wembly, thats hard |
| 22:40:16 | MarkNovak | I dont know quite how to do that |
| 22:40:20 | MarkNovak | and itll add weeks to production |
| 22:40:23 | Wembly | ahh |
| 22:40:25 | Wembly | nm then :) |
| 22:40:36 | Wembly | add weeks to production while beta'ing the predefined one :) |
| 22:40:50 | kergoth | boreddd |
| 22:40:52 | MarkNovak | the key buttons are my opinion, and everyone is entitled to my opinion :) |
| 22:40:54 | kergoth | cranks the music |
| 22:40:59 | warmi | MarkNovak: if you don't know how to make customizable keys then how are you going to code the game in the first place :-) |
| 22:41:08 | comfrey | thinks he may have fryed his Z with a digipower 8200 |
| 22:41:09 | MarkNovak | youll see hunny |
| 22:41:12 | Kento | quite an impressive speed jump |
| 22:41:12 | imm | warmi: so then Key_Space || Key_Up || Key_Down || Key_Left || Key_Right ? |
| 22:41:13 | warmi | I mean, I would think .. making keys customizable would be the easiest thing :-) |
| 22:41:22 | MarkNovak | ok YOU do it |
| 22:41:31 | warmi | imm: yeah |
| 22:41:46 | warmi | Kento: any more spedup would require a lot of redesigning work |
| 22:42:04 | warmi | or perhaps coding main CPU emulating loop in ASM the way X86 code does |
| 22:42:30 | [DrEvil] | ponders going for a bike ride |
| 22:42:34 | Kento | its playing zelda dx quite well |
| 22:42:34 | scanline | MarkNovak: are you writing your own raycasting engine or using something like the Doom engine? |
| 22:42:40 | Kento | almost full speed even |
| 22:42:48 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hmm i should do that too. its *beautiful* outside here today |
| 22:42:56 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 22:42:56 | warmi | Kento: well. perhaps someone should now look at the issue with sounds |
| 22:43:07 | warmi | I have no clue what's wrong witht hat |
| 22:43:10 | comfrey | thinks everyone should take a bike ride! |
| 22:43:11 | [DrEvil] | touch $(STAMP_DIR)/libc6-$(Version)-$(Revision)/stamp-binary; \ |
| 22:43:14 | [DrEvil] | that line works |
| 22:43:37 | warmi | it works perfectly on X86 and therefore should work well on Z as well .. ( baring Z sound drivers being buggy - which Kergoth suggests is the case)_ |
| 22:43:38 | MarkNovak | a bike ride? |
| 22:43:40 | [DrEvil] | but for some reason the gconv-modules directory does not exist in build/stamps |
| 22:45:48 | comfrey | is there any info anywhere on z and power? |
| 22:46:16 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: there is a glibc-2.2.4-7a/ and a libc6-2.2.4-7a/ in build/stamps |
| 22:46:27 | [DrEvil] | but no gconv-modules* |
| 22:46:56 | [DrEvil] | shouldn't there be a touch stamp-binary for glibc-2.2.4-7a |
| 22:48:05 | [DrEvil] | n/m |
| 22:48:19 | [DrEvil] | but why doesn't gconv-modules exist in that dir |
| 22:48:19 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 22:48:29 | [DrEvil] | what script puts it there |
| 22:49:42 | bbeattie | Anyone have a file or link to a good mpeg4 video clip (movie trialer or something cool) to show off the zaurus and mplayer? |
| 22:49:59 | scanline | w00t.. finally got my desk clean enough to set up my computer |
| 22:50:19 | HomerG | What is the command to install a *.ipk file from the console? |
| 22:50:37 | chouimat | *belch* |
| 22:50:49 | warmi | scanline congrats .. that's a good start |
| 22:50:50 | warmi | heh |
| 22:51:31 | chouimat | warmi: ? |
| 22:51:51 | warmi | chouimat ? |
| 22:51:57 | chouimat | ? |
| 22:52:17 | warmi | I was talkign to scanline hehe |
| 22:52:25 | warmi | talking even |
| 22:52:30 | chouimat | *belch* |
| 22:53:06 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:53:23 | scanline | warmi: it's kind of a big machine.. two monitors, full tower |
| 22:53:46 | chouimat | scanline: 30" tower with 12 5"1/2 bays? |
| 22:54:17 | scanline | chouimat: It doesn't have bays down the whole thing, only 6 5"1/2 |
| 22:54:35 | scanline | chouimat: I have pictures of it |
| 22:54:47 | scanline | http://blinkenlights.sf.net/images/yoshi/ |
| 22:54:48 | warmi | is it dual CPU box ? |
| 22:55:00 | chouimat | scanline: got a 12 bays tower here |
| 22:55:04 | scanline | warmi: nope, one Athlon XP 2000+ |
| 22:55:10 | scanline | chouimat: *drool* |
| 22:55:18 | warmi | holly crap .. that big hole on the left side .. is that a fan ? |
| 22:55:25 | chouimat | scanline: 2 19" monitor |
| 22:55:29 | scanline | warmi: lights |
| 22:55:46 | scanline | chouimat: sweet |
| 22:55:50 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:56:08 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: is there any way to make configs/templates/method more verbose? |
| 22:56:08 | warmi | scanline you must have a special relationship with your machine :-) |
| 22:56:13 | warmi | lights and everything |
| 22:56:14 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:56:17 | MarkNovak | I have some pics for you guys |
| 22:56:17 | [DrEvil] | I feel I am on the cusp of getting this to work |
| 22:56:24 | scanline | warmi: it's just a case mod.. but a really cool one |
| 22:56:34 | warmi | yeah .. I know , just kidding |
| 22:56:36 | prpplague | kergoth: have do any chances to the apmd lately? |
| 22:56:39 | scanline | warmi: 72 LEDs, all computer controlled :) |
| 22:56:41 | prpplague | s/chance/changes |
| 22:56:54 | warmi | hehe... do they follow some sort of special regime ? |
| 22:57:00 | warmi | like CPU usage or whatever ? |
| 22:57:41 | scanline | warmi: At the moment the software is kind of boring, just a few test patterns and an XMMS plugin. I'd like to write a daemon for it that will have plugins for CPU visualization and such |
| 22:57:44 | warmi | heh .. pretty amazing |
| 22:57:54 | scanline | warmi: there's a movie on that site too :) |
| 22:58:39 | scanline | warmi: I accidentally rammed the top of the case into a doorknob going to a LAN party, so I had to replace the translucent piece on top and repaint it a bit.. but now it looks good as new |
| 22:59:06 | warmi | I guess that provides nice escape from pico gui coding |
| 22:59:23 | warmi | heh |
| 22:59:25 | scanline | :) |
| 22:59:31 | prpplague | anyone got a fresh oz build running? |
| 22:59:33 | scanline | yeah, I like to do a hardware project every once and a while |
| 23:00:19 | warmi | scanline: is it possible to build pico gui on Windows ? |
| 23:00:42 | scanline | warmi: maybe.. someone submitted some build system patches that make picogui compile on cygwin |
| 23:00:54 | scanline | warmi: a while ago we had a native port to windows, but that has severe bit rot |
| 23:00:56 | warmi | Windows CE even .. against framebuffer video memory ( double buffered in software but from the point of view of pico-gui it would be just like a real framebuffer) |
| 23:01:05 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 23:01:06 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: you around? |
| 23:01:10 | prpplague | BigBoss: evening |
| 23:01:16 | [DrEvil] | somewhat |
| 23:01:18 | warmi | scanline: why is that ? I thought only framebuffer code would matter, right ? |
| 23:01:27 | warmi | unless you are using tons of Posix code in there |
| 23:01:28 | prpplague | BigBoss: get a chance to watch farscape? |
| 23:01:35 | scanline | warmi: it's just the networking code |
| 23:01:41 | warmi | ah ok |
| 23:01:44 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: could you check something on your build? |
| 23:01:46 | scanline | warmi: SDL handles cross platform video and input nicelyt |
| 23:01:48 | scanline | err, nicely |
| 23:01:55 | [DrEvil] | what? |
| 23:02:03 | warmi | scanline : what do you use for collection classes |
| 23:02:07 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: ls -al /usr/lib/libapm* |
| 23:02:11 | warmi | stuff like linked lists etc ? |
| 23:02:14 | scanline | warmi: collection classes? |
| 23:02:17 | scanline | warmi: oh. I don't |
| 23:02:22 | [DrEvil] | I haven't built that far |
| 23:02:28 | prpplague | ahh |
| 23:02:37 | [DrEvil] | I am still trying to get libc6 to package |
| 23:02:46 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: ok |
| 23:02:54 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: thanks anyway |
| 23:03:03 | warmi | scanline ah ok .. custom code for containers, data structures, memory allocation etc |
| 23:03:04 | scanline | warmi: normal linked lists are simple enough that I don't see a need for a collection class. More complex stuff like red-black trees are used pretty infrequently. Most of the important data structures are pretty specialized in pgserver |
| 23:03:16 | prpplague | is away: bike again |
| 23:03:36 | scanline | warmi: pgserver has a handle system that handles memory allocation in server space on behalf of a client. There's code to detect memory leaks and such |
| 23:03:51 | warmi | well, but even that pretty specialized stuff tends to be build upon more basic things like Lists , perhaps some hash/dictionary containners |
| 23:03:55 | BigBoss | prpplague: yes I did actually - very funny |
| 23:04:06 | BigBoss | Crichton as a woman is very unappealing |
| 23:04:16 | scanline | warmi: the only dictionary type data structure in picogui is the handle tree, and maybe themes |
| 23:04:16 | warmi | I am asking cause I was wondering what people use for that in their projects |
| 23:04:16 | BigBoss | they need to put Aeron into a belly dancer situation :) |
| 23:04:33 | scanline | warmi: ah.. I'm a pretty atypical person probably :) Most people would use glib I think |
| 23:04:43 | warmi | I was porting Puzz-le to Windows CE and what I ended up doing is porting all Qte collection classes to Windows CE |
| 23:04:50 | MarkNovak | I have some pictures for you guys |
| 23:04:51 | warmi | it is going to be GPLed anyway |
| 23:04:57 | MarkNovak | has some pictures he wants you guys to see |
| 23:05:06 | warmi | MarkNovak pictures of what ? |
| 23:05:07 | warmi | dirty ones ? |
| 23:05:12 | MarkNovak | no |
| 23:05:13 | MarkNovak | youll see |
| 23:05:16 | MarkNovak | clean photoxs |
| 23:05:25 | scanline | not dusty? |
| 23:05:40 | warmi | scanline : that's what I was thinking .. glib .. but glib is C and I like C++ much more |
| 23:05:52 | warmi | the problem with windows CE and Zaurus is that both don't have STL |
| 23:05:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:06:26 | imm | does someone have a place for upploading my app ? |
| 23:06:27 | scanline | yeah.. the PicoGUI server is all C, clients can be in any language. glib is big and picogui doesn't have a need for 90% of what's in it, so I do my own data structures |
| 23:06:34 | MarkNovak | imm? a place? |
| 23:06:44 | jbwiv | I have a subclass of QMenuBar called dsMenuBar. when I try to compile it, I get dsMenuBar.o: In function `dsMenuBar::dsMenuBar(void)': dsMenuBar.o(.text+0x1b): undefined reference to `dsMenuBar virtual table' .... and more undefined references. I'm including qmenubar.h. Can anyone shed some light on what I might be doing wrong? |
| 23:06:50 | MarkNovak | server space? |
| 23:07:07 | kergoth | imm: ZSI? |
| 23:07:11 | imm | MarkNovak: only 50k ? |
| 23:07:14 | kergoth | hm, 512mb sticks of ddr are still kinda expensive, eh. bout $170, and thats only PC2100.. |
| 23:07:16 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:07:16 | MarkNovak | i can host it |
| 23:07:34 | imm | kergoth: is that not link only ? |
| 23:07:35 | warmi | jbwiv : you most likely are missing moc files for that class |
| 23:07:43 | jbwiv | btw, all the undefined references are coming from the QMenuBar class, like "dsMenuBar::QPaintDevice virutal table". |
| 23:07:46 | MarkNovak | killefiz doesnt host |
| 23:07:48 | kergoth | imm: yeah it is, you're quite right |
| 23:07:56 | kergoth | imm: could always upload it to the zaurus SF project |
| 23:08:01 | kergoth | imm: then link to it from ZSI |
| 23:08:04 | MarkNovak | imm ill host it, send it to me via email |
| 23:08:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:08:06 | jbwiv | warmi: hmmm...another gap in my knowledge. If I extend a class, I have to generate a moc file for it? |
| 23:08:07 | warmi | jbwiv : do you have QObject: macron in your class h file ? |
| 23:08:34 | warmi | Q_OBJECT |
| 23:08:37 | jbwiv | warmi: in the .h (where the definition of the class is) |
| 23:08:45 | warmi | yeah, do you ? |
| 23:08:50 | jbwiv | warmi: but not in the implementation .cpp. |
| 23:08:51 | jbwiv | yes |
| 23:09:27 | warmi | uh .. when you compile do you see .moc files being created for dsMenuBar ? |
| 23:10:03 | scanline | warmi: C++ adds way too much bloat for my tastes.. someone told me that the PicoGUI server is smaller than a hello world program written in C++ :) |
| 23:10:14 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: is there any way to make configs/templates/method more verbose? |
| 23:10:48 | chouimat | scanline: it's is |
| 23:10:48 | jbwiv | warmi: yup. dsMenubar.moc |
| 23:11:39 | warmi | scanline: well, that is true but this is all matter of degree .. |
| 23:11:41 | scanline | screams "Where'd I put my mouse!" |
| 23:11:56 | warmi | one could say that your server written in ASM would be even faster and smaller than C based one |
| 23:12:20 | scanline | warmi: but ASM wouldn't be portable :) |
| 23:12:53 | scanline | warmi: I find it funny when people compare C and C++ to ASM and C... C really isn't that hard to use, it's still portable, and the code can be made much smaller |
| 23:13:11 | warmi | scanline : man .. I have used C for years .. doing GUI stuff etc |
| 23:13:28 | warmi | I have nothing against C but I think that client code , especially GUI code should be done in C++ |
| 23:13:40 | warmi | it is simply so much nicer and more elegant way of doing things |
| 23:14:11 | warmi | basically, one has to compare GTK with Qt to see the difference |
| 23:14:20 | warmi | especially process of creating custom widgets |
| 23:14:40 | scanline | warmi: IMHO C++ is kind of unnecessary... if you want fast small code use C, if you want easy to write OOP code use something like Python |
| 23:14:42 | MarkNovak | GUYS |
| 23:14:48 | MarkNovak | wants you to check out http://marknovak.com/images/zaurus5.gif |
| 23:15:01 | scanline | MarkNovak: ewww, a gif :) |
| 23:15:06 | MarkNovak | regardless! |
| 23:15:29 | KallDrexx | MarkNovak: I want |
| 23:15:31 | scanline | hahaha |
| 23:15:32 | MarkNovak | http://marknovak.com/images/zaurus3.gif |
| 23:15:36 | scanline | why so many zaurii? |
| 23:15:50 | MarkNovak | I bought a lot because I didnt know they charged |
| 23:15:50 | KallDrexx | zaurii :) |
| 23:15:55 | MarkNovak | so I just threw them out when the battery ran out |
| 23:16:01 | KallDrexx | that's a couple thousand worth |
| 23:16:13 | MarkNovak | the boxes each have a z in them too |
| 23:17:13 | Wembly | mark: omg wtf? |
| 23:17:17 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 23:17:33 | Wembly | *just drools* |
| 23:17:34 | MarkNovak | I use them as disposables |
| 23:17:40 | MarkNovak | like those kodak cameras |
| 23:17:40 | chouimat | nags MarkNovak to have a free zaurus |
| 23:17:52 | Wembly | mark: where the hell? |
| 23:17:54 | Wembly | what the hell? |
| 23:17:59 | Wembly | why so meny? |
| 23:18:10 | MarkNovak | not sayin |
| 23:18:15 | darienm | might say... |
| 23:18:16 | MarkNovak | im just a collecter |
| 23:18:19 | Wembly | did you like jack a shipment or something? |
| 23:18:21 | MarkNovak | LOL |
| 23:18:22 | darienm | knows something... |
| 23:18:22 | MarkNovak | no |
| 23:18:33 | MarkNovak | I like keeping it mysterious |
| 23:18:35 | MarkNovak | reveal if you must |
| 23:18:52 | darienm | shakes his head and walks away. |
| 23:19:10 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 23:19:12 | chouimat | ok you work for sharp and they pay you with zaurus |
| 23:19:19 | MarkNovak | no, boy would that be great |
| 23:19:27 | scanline | MarkNovak: write a bunch of contest entries, and reselling the free zaurii you got? |
| 23:19:27 | darienm | different company, starts with the same letter. |
| 23:19:31 | chouimat | because they don't have enough cash for the paycheck |
| 23:19:36 | MarkNovak | no it doesnt darien |
| 23:19:39 | MarkNovak | oh wait |
| 23:19:39 | darienm | er. |
| 23:19:39 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 23:19:42 | darienm | yes it does |
| 23:19:43 | darienm | Silly |
| 23:19:44 | MarkNovak | your right |
| 23:19:46 | MarkNovak | Stupid |
| 23:20:06 | darienm | let me see. Sharp starts with "S".... |
| 23:20:20 | scanline | Samsung? |
| 23:20:51 | Onyx4|z | hi |
| 23:20:55 | imm | Siemens ? |
| 23:20:55 | KallDrexx | hey |
| 23:20:58 | MarkNovak | heya onyx |
| 23:21:21 | warmi | scanline : most of the time C++ is just as fast as C |
| 23:21:24 | darienm | Saturn? Oh, wait. I can't guess -- I know the answer. |
| 23:21:28 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 23:21:32 | warmi | certainly with 10% of C code speed |
| 23:21:37 | warmi | the bloat is a problem thought |
| 23:21:52 | warmi | especially if people don't pay attention that it |
| 23:21:57 | imm | StarOffice ? |
| 23:22:12 | scanline | warmi: I know. The only real speed overhead in C++ is in calling virtual functions. But when people carelessly use classes they don't understand, it can make memory and speed worse |
| 23:22:16 | imm | SparcStation |
| 23:22:22 | warmi | I mean certainly, withing 90% of C code speed |
| 23:22:27 | MarkNovak | Solaris? |
| 23:22:44 | imm | Sava ? |
| 23:22:49 | imm | :) |
| 23:22:49 | chouimat | hi imm |
| 23:22:49 | warmi | scanline: but if you code C the GTK way you still have these virtual function except you are doing it by hand using function pointers |
| 23:23:00 | imm | chouimat: howdie |
| 23:23:03 | scanline | warmi: right, but then you only use them when you need to |
| 23:23:05 | Onyx4|z | is it normal in tkcjabber that if people arent on your contact list u dont receive their msg |
| 23:23:12 | chouimat | (radio )Shack? |
| 23:23:25 | Onyx4|z | for icq network that is |
| 23:24:04 | warmi | scanline : same with C++ .. you just have to know and understand what's going on underneath .. what does it mean when you declare your function virtual |
| 23:24:14 | warmi | if you do . you can write good code as well |
| 23:24:37 | warmi | anyway.. I know you are big fan of C |
| 23:24:46 | scanline | warmi: yeah.. it's just another holy war :) |
| 23:24:48 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: I'm adding set -ex's to the various build sections into configs/template/method based on the content of the VERBOSITY variable in include.mk .. i'll commit shortly |
| 23:24:50 | Wembly | mmmm |
| 23:24:52 | warmi | and there is no way I will convince you to switch to qt |
| 23:24:52 | Wembly | c vs c++ |
| 23:24:52 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:25:02 | chouimat | imm: good. brb will go take a shower |
| 23:25:07 | Wembly | c! no c++! no C! no C++! no C!#%!%@ no C++@!%!@#^! |
| 23:25:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:25:15 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:25:18 | kergoth | i use c for some things, c++ for other things |
| 23:25:19 | Harlekin | and MarkNovak runs a IIS |
| 23:25:21 | Harlekin | fun |
| 23:25:25 | Wembly | darnit. |
| 23:25:30 | kergoth | is a fan of using the right tool for the job |
| 23:25:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:25:31 | Harlekin | gets out the warkit |
| 23:25:33 | chouimat|shower | wants Objective-C on the Z |
| 23:26:11 | scanline | nearly drools on his 17" LCD after using only a laptop for almost 2 weeks |
| 23:26:12 | warmi | which means kergot is C++ fan after all |
| 23:26:14 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:26:17 | MarkNovak | yes I sure do harl |
| 23:26:25 | kergoth | warmi: :-) |
| 23:26:25 | MarkNovak | why do you inquire? |
| 23:26:53 | Onyx4|z | test |
| 23:27:14 | Onyx4|z | doesnt work in jabber heh |
| 23:27:21 | MarkNovak | Harlekin: why do you ask me? |
| 23:27:33 | MarkNovak | or tell me |
| 23:27:39 | Harlekin | i dont |
| 23:27:40 | DrBoB | I like GTK+ apps too .... simple, attractive windows |
| 23:27:41 | warmi | MarkNovak my impression is that Harlekin does not exactly like Microsoft and its products :-) |
| 23:27:41 | Harlekin | i told the other |
| 23:27:49 | Harlekin | who might want to have fun |
| 23:27:52 | DrBoB | low overhead too |
| 23:27:58 | [DrEvil] | mmmk |
| 23:28:02 | Onyx4|z | is qt easy to write |
| 23:28:12 | warmi | DrBoB : that is certainly matter of personal opinion |
| 23:28:24 | warmi | but for example I am addicted to plain Windows 95 style look |
| 23:28:27 | Harlekin | warmi: hey i like them |
| 23:28:28 | warmi | so I prefer Qt |
| 23:28:30 | warmi | heeh |
| 23:28:47 | Harlekin | warmi: zum like qtopia on zaurus, with the backdoors allready in |
| 23:28:52 | Harlekin | just like |
| 23:28:54 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:29:02 | warmi | in fact I like very much latest KDE look .. that cross between OS X and Windows XP look |
| 23:29:08 | warmi | Harlekin hehehe |
| 23:29:20 | Harlekin | warmi: yeah, keramik and crystal owns |
| 23:29:24 | warmi | Harlekin you bought ipaq |
| 23:29:27 | Harlekin | warmi: if there would not be nils |
| 23:29:34 | warmi | which means you paid MS tax at least once |
| 23:29:39 | Harlekin | warmi: hehe, i did not buy |
| 23:30:15 | Onyx4|z | any luck on op2 for sharp rom yet harlekin |
| 23:30:29 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: no, since nobody can debug it for me |
| 23:30:29 | warmi | Onyx4|z: qt is so much more easier to write than GTK it is scary |
| 23:30:43 | warmi | GTK is basically another version of old tired Motif/Win32 style GUI coding |
| 23:30:45 | Onyx4|z | can i help |
| 23:30:48 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: qt is commercial grade widget set |
| 23:30:55 | scanline | thinks the look should be completely separate from the GUI |
| 23:31:04 | Harlekin | Onyx4|away: actually its even more that just a widget set |
| 23:31:05 | warmi | which is especially painfull when someone gets into creating new widgets, extending toolkit etc |
| 23:31:43 | warmi | Harlekin it is way .. way more .. it is a complete framework .. in some cases their collection classes are much better than STL .. and certainly faster and less bloated |
| 23:31:57 | MarkNovak | ONYX |
| 23:31:57 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 23:32:05 | Harlekin | and it acts like it os OO |
| 23:32:12 | Harlekin | even though its not really |
| 23:32:13 | MarkNovak | on Private message "Sorry, I can not support private messages right now" |
| 23:32:20 | Onyx4|z | ? |
| 23:32:31 | MarkNovak | i tried private messaging you |
| 23:32:43 | Onyx4|z | ah i see |
| 23:32:52 | jbwiv | when I try to use a static method from qfiledialog, I get "no method `QFileDialog::getOpenFileNames'". does anyone know if this is implemented in qt/e, or am I doing something else wrong? thx |
| 23:33:06 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: zic? |
| 23:33:07 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 23:33:15 | Onyx4|z | maybe zic is better then |
| 23:33:15 | warmi | no file dialog in Qte on the zaurus |
| 23:33:27 | Onyx4|z | its jabber now |
| 23:33:31 | warmi | use Qtopia filedialog |
| 23:33:38 | warmi | which is , admitelly, very nasty . |
| 23:33:45 | Harlekin | jbwiv: use ofiledialog .-) |
| 23:33:52 | jbwiv | ok, thanks guys. |
| 23:33:55 | warmi | or use OPIE file dialog .. yeah |
| 23:34:10 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: but i got shoutcast working now ,-) |
| 23:34:25 | Onyx4|z | zradio? |
| 23:34:29 | jbwiv | warmi or Harlekin: where can I find what classes are/are not implemented? This seems to be a major source of frustration for me :) .... |
| 23:34:30 | scanline | eww |
| 23:34:50 | Onyx4|z | or in op2? |
| 23:34:50 | Harlekin | jbwiv: theres a header where the defines are in |
| 23:34:51 | warmi | jbwiv : uh ... I remember seeing somewhere the list .. |
| 23:34:53 | warmi | one sec |
| 23:34:55 | scanline | I hope zradio's UI improves |
| 23:34:59 | Harlekin | allways forgets the name |
| 23:35:01 | scanline | it's... pretty bad |
| 23:35:03 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: opē |
| 23:35:06 | KallDrexx | waht's zradio? |
| 23:35:09 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: but op1 had shoutcast to |
| 23:35:29 | Onyx4|z | oh can u multitask and not get dropouts? |
| 23:35:36 | Harlekin | ? |
| 23:35:38 | Harlekin | like what |
| 23:35:40 | jbwiv | Harlekin: damn it you're right. I have the header printed out, and there it is...QT_NO_FILEDIALOG ;)....my eyes are going bad |
| 23:35:47 | warmi | uh .. I can't find it |
| 23:35:56 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: as long as you do not power it to 100% cpu load all time |
| 23:35:56 | Harlekin | yes |
| 23:36:06 | warmi | I think it will be part of qte config files "-qconfig qpe " |
| 23:36:06 | Onyx4|z | in zradio if i start a program like calendar evething cuts |
| 23:36:09 | warmi | in their config dir |
| 23:36:34 | warmi | jbwiv which header is that ? |
| 23:36:36 | Onyx4|z | zradio takes almost 100 cpu |
| 23:36:44 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: hmm |
| 23:36:56 | warmi | scanline : in what sense ? |
| 23:37:01 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: could be that the network stack is poor on zaurus |
| 23:37:02 | warmi | usablity or performance ? |
| 23:37:10 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 23:37:14 | [DrEvil] | I am off to ride my bike |
| 23:37:28 | warmi | most likely ZRadio does some sort of busy-looping :-) |
| 23:37:34 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:34:18) |
| 23:37:39 | scanline | warmi: usability |
| 23:37:40 | warmi | that will certainly get your CPU up to 100% |
| 23:37:43 | Onyx4|z | dunno if i use the mp3 plr on z its fine |
| 23:37:43 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: i am listening to wolfFM |
| 23:37:51 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: on the ipaq right now |
| 23:37:55 | Harlekin | that 128 kbit stream |
| 23:37:56 | jbwiv | warmi: qconfig-qpe.h |
| 23:37:59 | Harlekin | via usbnet |
| 23:38:06 | warmi | jbwiv right .. that's the one |
| 23:38:07 | scanline | warmi: the traditional radio paradigm just makes things more difficult |
| 23:38:08 | prpplague | BigBoss: ya it was an amusing farscape epi |
| 23:38:09 | Onyx4|z | ok |
| 23:38:13 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: and i ahve 17% cpu |
| 23:38:21 | Onyx4|z | nice |
| 23:38:21 | scanline | warmi: something with a playlist and a place to enter URLs would be much more useful |
| 23:38:23 | prpplague | BigBoss: i can't believe they did that scene with the old woman |
| 23:38:25 | warmi | scanline : heheeh .. you been reading that site about proper GUI design |
| 23:38:29 | warmi | I forgot the URL |
| 23:38:41 | Onyx4|z | just the same as regular mp3 player then |
| 23:38:45 | Harlekin | y |
| 23:38:49 | scanline | warmi: no proper GUI design reading, I just think it's hard to use :) |
| 23:39:05 | warmi | http://www.iarchitect.com/mshame.htm |
| 23:39:07 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:39:10 | scanline | yeah.. I think it would be much better to just add streaming support to the normal media player |
| 23:39:16 | Harlekin | scanline: i did |
| 23:39:17 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 23:39:21 | scanline | sweet |
| 23:39:24 | Harlekin | 2 month ago |
| 23:39:26 | Harlekin | opie player 1 |
| 23:39:31 | Harlekin | and to opē i just added it |
| 23:39:42 | Harlekin | which does also do ogg streaming ,-) |
| 23:39:43 | scanline | really.. I tried streaming on Opie Player on a recent OZ and couldn't get it working |
| 23:39:58 | Harlekin | scanline: you need to put in the url |
| 23:40:07 | scanline | right... I did that |
| 23:40:10 | Harlekin | pls reading is still experimental |
| 23:40:16 | Harlekin | scanline: url |
| 23:40:20 | Harlekin | then i can test ig |
| 23:40:22 | Harlekin | it |
| 23:40:23 | scanline | I was trying to stream WOPN with it |
| 23:40:27 | Harlekin | url |
| 23:40:33 | scanline | it's not on now |
| 23:40:38 | Harlekin | ah |
| 23:40:40 | KallDrexx | crap |
| 23:40:44 | KallDrexx | stupid app |
| 23:40:45 | Harlekin | scanline: no archive? |
| 23:41:00 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:41:02 | Onyx4|z | does oz includes X? |
| 23:41:04 | warmi | scanline well, they way things are going now .. pretty soon there won't be any web based music stations anyway |
| 23:41:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:41:09 | scanline | Harlekin: I'll just try it again once I get a new OZ compiled and flashed, I forget exactly what I tried besides WOPN |
| 23:41:10 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: since nobody can debug that prob for me |
| 23:41:17 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: you will ahve to wait a few more days |
| 23:41:20 | scanline | warmi: heh. it's sad... |
| 23:41:22 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: or get openzaurus |
| 23:41:25 | prpplague | kergoth: it appears that the libapm's are getting duplicated instead of being symlinked, has that been fix already? |
| 23:41:47 | Onyx4|z | maybe i will i dont use the hancom stuff anyway |
| 23:41:55 | Harlekin | scanline: if something does not work, tell us |
| 23:41:58 | Harlekin | how should we know |
| 23:42:00 | scanline | kergoth: I might hack together a boot menu doodad for OZ |
| 23:42:09 | Onyx4|z | but i would like to keep opera |
| 23:42:11 | imm | killefiz: ? |
| 23:42:20 | Harlekin | Onyx4|z: then take it over |
| 23:42:21 | scanline | Harlekin: right. At the time I wasn't expecting it to work since I didn't know streaming was supported |
| 23:42:28 | Harlekin | scanline: it was since months |
| 23:42:30 | wParam | question: is it possible to edit the boot menu you get when you press / ? |
| 23:42:34 | Onyx4|z | does oz use konqueror? |
| 23:42:47 | Harlekin | scanline: but had a problem with spaces in the url |
| 23:42:47 | imm | http://www.marknovak.com/zbounce_0.4_arm.ipk |
| 23:43:00 | scanline | Harlekin: IIRC none of the URLs I tried had spaces |
| 23:43:08 | scanline | Harlekin: I'll just let you know if I have any more trouble with it |
| 23:43:18 | Harlekin | scanline: of you try openzaurus |
| 23:43:22 | Harlekin | get teh new opē |
| 23:43:24 | scanline | Harlekin: I was just sort of messing around last time I tried it, didn't know what to expect |
| 23:43:53 | Onyx4|z | it works the same pretty much? |
| 23:43:58 | scanline | Harlekin: Eventually I'll have a media player for PicoGUI though :) |
| 23:44:13 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:44:15 | Harlekin | if you want |
| 23:44:36 | prpplague | kergoth: nm, helps to read the cvs changelog |
| 23:45:17 | scanline | kergoth: what kind of UI did you have in mind for the OZ boot menu.. ncurses? |
| 23:45:49 | Onyx4|z | is Oz still considered in early stages |
| 23:46:22 | warmi | imm if only I new what I am supposed to do in this game :-) |
| 23:46:37 | warmi | a short .. "how to play" help file would be nice |
| 23:46:38 | warmi | :-) |
| 23:47:16 | imm | warmi: fill more the 75% of space |
| 23:47:36 | imm | warmi: change direction with "Rocket" |
| 23:47:50 | warmi | yeah but what should I avoid ? |
| 23:47:55 | warmi | I get this game over a lot |
| 23:47:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:48:09 | imm | warmi: to colide with the balls |
| 23:48:31 | warmi | the game animation is very slick |
| 23:49:07 | scanline | becomes very annoyed that his bios gave his nvidia card and eth0 the same IRQ |
| 23:49:09 | chouimat|shower | imm: I'm adding new feature to nessy |
| 23:49:18 | warmi | parhaps you should have some sort of indication for the current direction |
| 23:49:28 | imm | chouimat|shower: what ? |
| 23:49:35 | KallDrexx | I hate stupid programming mistakes :D |
| 23:49:57 | imm | warmi: does the cursor not show this ? |
| 23:49:58 | chouimat|shower | imm: ui thinks. |
| 23:50:21 | imm | warmi: i never tested it on a Z :) |
| 23:50:34 | warmi | there is no cursor on the zaurus :-) |
| 23:50:39 | KallDrexx | hmm I think qpe is detecting mouse clicks i'm not doing... |
| 23:50:39 | warmi | remember ? |
| 23:50:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:50:44 | warmi | it uses stylus |
| 23:50:55 | imm | warmi: oh shit :( |
| 23:51:05 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:51:19 | warmi | pretty cool little game |
| 23:51:44 | scanline | thinks it would be good to have a zaurus emulator, using dynamic binary translation >:) |
| 23:51:45 | chouimat|shower | night |
| 23:52:01 | imm | writes 10 times "Never release software if you not tested it at least once" |
| 23:52:16 | warmi | scanline you mean ARM amu ? |
| 23:52:16 | warmi | emu ? |
| 23:52:38 | warmi | there is already one |
| 23:52:43 | warmi | part of ARM dev kit |
| 23:53:03 | scanline | warmi: yeah, but something that would pass system calls and such through, so you could run ARM linux binaries on i386 or PPC linux transparently |
| 23:53:35 | scanline | warmi: combine that with a native build of the GUI (for speed), a skin that simulates the buttons and touchscreen on the zaurus, and you'd have a fast but still very capable Z emulator |
| 23:53:39 | warmi | well, it would be nice |
| 23:53:41 | KallDrexx | wtf why is qpe giving me such a wierd number |
| 23:53:49 | warmi | especially for ASM code testing |
| 23:54:14 | scanline | yeah.. and tracking down endian or alignment bugs |
| 23:54:31 | MarkNovak | sugar, quote SUNW |
| 23:54:32 | Sugar | MarkNovak: SUNW @ aug 16: 4.21 (+0.105 +2.56%) Bid: 0.00 Ask: 0.00% |
| 23:54:33 | DrBoB | emu? Your'e tinking about the "king of the hill" cartoon currently playing? |
| 23:54:37 | warmi | yeah , that is easy ... void busError() |
| 23:54:38 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:55:05 | scanline | it's nice to be able to run GDB on the zaurus |
| 23:55:15 | warmi | scanline you can on 5500 |
| 23:55:28 | warmi | 5000d has not enough memory |
| 23:55:28 | scanline | I know |
| 23:55:36 | scanline | yeah it does |
| 23:55:40 | scanline | you can run gdb on both |
| 23:55:49 | scanline | mount Intimate via NFS :) |
| 23:56:09 | warmi | scanline I tried even with swap and it still would drop sometimes with out of mem message |
| 23:56:25 | scanline | hmm. I never had that problem |
| 23:56:30 | scanline | gdb doesn't require that much memory |
| 23:56:38 | warmi | I guess depends what are you debugging |
| 23:56:40 | scanline | I'd use it even on my old 486 laptop with 8MB ram |
| 23:56:50 | scanline | maybe takes a lot more memory to debug C++ apps :) |
| 23:56:53 | warmi | remember .. g binary is usually much bigger as well |
| 23:57:16 | MarkNovak | thats true |
| 23:57:26 | warmi | scanline no shit .. I have to have entire qt loaded into memory |
| 23:57:34 | warmi | think about it :-) |
| 23:57:38 | scanline | how big are the qt libraries? |
| 23:57:53 | warmi | scanline let me tell you in a sec |
| 23:58:03 | MarkNovak | I use qtopia on my PC |
| 23:58:18 | scanline | That's a good point for client/server GUIs.. you don't have to load any of the server code just to debug clients |
| 23:58:36 | scanline | wouldn't it suck to have to load XFree86 code every time you wanted to debug an X app :) |
| 23:59:14 | warmi | 3609964 |
| 23:59:23 | warmi | 3.5 meg |
| 23:59:41 | Harlekin | yeah, and gdb on Z sucks .-) |
| 23:59:43 | Harlekin | runs |
| 23:59:47 | scanline | I wonder how much overhead there is when gdb loads the symbol tables in |
| 23:59:50 | scanline | Harlekin: :P |
| 23:59:57 | warmi | then on top of that you have 1.5 meg worth of Qtopia stuff |
