| 00:00:59 | kergoth | gah i should just give up on trying to keep up with LKML |
| 00:02:02 | erikd | HAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHSDFKASHDFKASDHFIHFIQ#$%(!@#&$(!&@#$(!&@#$(!@&#$(!&@$(&!@#$ |
| 00:02:05 | erikd | I GOT IT!@#$(!@&#$(!@&#$ |
| 00:02:08 | kergoth | erikd: ? |
| 00:02:09 | erikd | W00T!@#$ |
| 00:02:12 | erikd | IS HAPPY! |
| 00:02:15 | kergoth | erikd: congrats on whatever it is :-) |
| 00:02:27 | erikd | i got the popup calendar working |
| 00:02:32 | kergoth | oh nice. |
| 00:02:36 | erikd | the one used in todo |
| 00:02:48 | prpplague | erikd: i thought maybe you had gotten a STD |
| 00:02:57 | erikd | heh |
| 00:02:59 | rikkus_ | prpplague: *snigger* ;0 |
| 00:03:01 | erikd | not quite :) |
| 00:03:35 | erikd | darien's gonna be happy |
| 00:03:51 | raster | rikkus_: hehee - no.. no pipes... evas internalyl is oo. it has inheritance and classes and methods etc. does runtime magic numebr checks to have runtiem type safety etc. |
| 00:03:52 | erikd | starts bending the widget to his wishes |
| 00:03:57 | numatrix-Z | rikkus: can users add syntax files themselves to vim or is that compile time? |
| 00:04:32 | rikkus_ | numatrix-Z: you can just add them yourself |
| 00:05:30 | tux_mike | so frustrating |
| 00:05:35 | kergoth | tux_mike: ? |
| 00:05:50 | numatrix-Z | cool; do you know if php ones exist. ok, this is driving me crazy; does the question mark exist on the hardware keyboard on the zaurus, I dont want to keep popping up the on screen... |
| 00:06:03 | numatrix-Z | im blind |
| 00:06:09 | numatrix-Z | Never mind? |
| 00:06:09 | tux_mike | problems with a friend's project ruining his life. |
| 00:06:29 | kergoth | tux_mike: ack |
| 00:06:32 | prpplague | kergoth: quick questions, what your policy on cvs updates? update often and fix on the fly, or only update when you feel things are solid? |
| 00:06:48 | tux_mike | frustrating because he lives in ann arbor, and i can't just go there and talk to him |
| 00:07:24 | kergoth | prpplague: depends. in the case of the OZ buildroot, dont update any .mk which is built by a make openzaurus (or any other .mk which generates an image) until its solid. Adding new .mk's which arent called by anything should be done early and often. |
| 00:07:45 | kergoth | s/Adding new .mk's/Adding and updating new .mk's/; |
| 00:08:32 | kergoth | hmm I wonder when greg k-h will end up merging in lineo's usbd stack into the official tree |
| 00:10:58 | scanline | yeargh... busybox failed again |
| 00:11:05 | kergoth | scanline: where? |
| 00:11:08 | kergoth | scanline: wait let me guess |
| 00:11:12 | kergoth | scanline: libc5.c? |
| 00:11:19 | scanline | yup |
| 00:11:31 | scanline | line 26, sizeof applied to an incomplete type |
| 00:11:52 | kergoth | edit it at line 12, change the #ifdef __blah__ && __blah__ < 5 block to two seperate ifdefs, one within the other. at least, that solved it for me. |
| 00:11:54 | scanline | (yay I'm getting the same errors as kergoth, my toolchain isn't fucked!) |
| 00:12:00 | kergoth | scanline: hehe. congrats ;-) |
| 00:12:00 | scanline | k |
| 00:12:33 | kergoth | scanline: er s/two seperate ifdefs/a if within a ifdef/; |
| 00:12:35 | kergoth | close enough |
| 00:12:35 | kergoth | blah |
| 00:12:50 | prpplague | kergoth: ok thanks for the info |
| 00:12:58 | kergoth | prpplague: np |
| 00:14:00 | kergoth` | blah. recent ksirc's are almost usable |
| 00:16:23 | prpplague | i think someone needs to go check out all the politician web sites and find out which ones are linux friendly |
| 00:19:00 | codemnky | kergoth`: i'm installing ppp on openZ it's complaining about libpam0g libpam-modules, you said yesterday to fource it if it complains should i or install these |
| 00:19:34 | kergoth` | codemnky: you may need them |
| 00:19:46 | kergoth` | codemnky: I havent put pam in OZ yet. pam's a bitch to crosscompile |
| 00:20:39 | codemnky | ok |
| 00:20:40 | prpplague | kergoth`: you can say that again |
| 00:21:04 | codemnky | ok |
| 00:21:13 | codemnky | L) |
| 00:21:17 | scanline | grumbles... |
| 00:21:23 | scanline | now errors compiling e2fsprogs |
| 00:21:38 | scanline | can't find SIZEOF_INT, SIZEOF_LONG, etc. |
| 00:22:02 | codemnky | a frineds site is very excited his page views have shot up, should i tell him added refresh=300 in the header? |
| 00:22:20 | codemnky | heh |
| 00:24:06 | kergoth` | scanline: hmm |
| 00:24:32 | kergoth` | scanline: those are defined on the compile lines with -D |
| 00:24:45 | zaurus | has ne1 successuly installed gnuboy on a SL-5500? |
| 00:24:51 | scanline | kergoth`: oh wait.. I'm a dumbass, this is during ./configure not compiling |
| 00:25:03 | kergoth` | scanline: what step? |
| 00:25:22 | scanline | kergoth`: AFAICT it's in e2fsprogs, righta fter creating Makefiles |
| 00:25:57 | kergoth` | scanline: run 'script' .. then run make e2fsprogs .. then hit ctrl+D, and email me 'typescript' .. heh |
| 00:26:24 | scanline | kergoth`: checkski |
| 00:26:34 | scanline | kergoth`: what address? |
| 00:26:42 | kergoth` | scanline: kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 00:26:48 | scanline | k |
| 00:27:00 | kergoth` | scanline : out of curiosity, what distro are you building this in? |
| 00:27:08 | scanline | kergoth`: Gentoo/PPC |
| 00:27:16 | kergoth` | k |
| 00:27:20 | scanline | kergoth`: I have a Debian/x86 machine at home, but not with me |
| 00:27:38 | kergoth` | the buildroot falls apart under certaind distros, i'm not sure why.. specifically redhat and mandrake, newer versions, get ugly. heh |
| 00:27:55 | scanline | I know Debian is the 'reference' distro for Buildroot, hehe |
| 00:29:14 | scanline | kergoth`: tis sent |
| 00:36:48 | jbardin | z0r |
| 00:37:01 | kergoth` | scanline: hrm. thats odd. |
| 00:37:20 | scanline | kergoth`: ya |
| 00:38:32 | kergoth` | sweet at this rate I'll have pcmcia working in 2.5 in like 20 minutes. the interfaces have hardly changed. |
| 00:38:34 | erikd | sighs a happy sigh |
| 00:38:34 | scanline | frustrates himself over Xlib debugging |
| 00:38:48 | scanline | cheers for kergoth` |
| 00:39:10 | scanline | BadMatch in major opcode X_PolyPoint... WTF |
| 00:39:17 | kergoth` | the interfaces have changed so little i can actually diff -urNd a similar bit of code from 2.4.6 to 2.5.x and apply the same changes to the collie version :-) |
| 00:39:47 | kergoth` | still hates the pcmcia system and pcmcia-cs with a passion |
| 00:40:19 | extremis | what are the quirks with kismet and oz? |
| 00:40:28 | extremis | it bitches about some tcp problem |
| 00:40:43 | kergoth` | extremis: the hostname 'zaurus' isnt in the /etc/hosts file. |
| 00:40:50 | extremis | ahhh |
| 00:40:51 | kergoth` | extremis: add it to the localhost line and you should be fine. |
| 00:40:53 | extremis | easy enough |
| 00:41:04 | extremis | bigboss been in here recently? |
| 00:41:22 | extremis | I want to get tkcplayer anc tkcvideo working |
| 00:50:27 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 8 hours, 19 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: yes, run the terminal app [Wed Aug 14 17:31:00 2002] |
| 00:50:27 | angry | ibot, seen bigboss |
| 00:51:48 | prpplague | kergoth`: damn, sounds like your getting to be a kernel guru |
| 00:54:26 | kergoth` | prpplague: no where near.. but having fun :-) |
| 00:57:31 | ljp | needs a new kernel in his brain |
| 00:57:38 | Cloudchaser | hmm z says my sd card is using 51 mb, i looked and can only accout for about 31 |
| 00:58:13 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: cd /mnt/card; du; |
| 00:59:34 | zaurus | ne1 runnin gnuboy? |
| 01:00:23 | kergoth` | zaurus: you really need a more unique nickname :-) |
| 01:00:25 | erikd | not i |
| 01:00:29 | erikd | heh |
| 01:01:10 | kergoth` | tries to compile his newfangled pcmcia support in 2.5.30 and waits for something to explode |
| 01:01:17 | jbardin | anyone know how to join files in unix? |
| 01:01:25 | kergoth` | jbardin: 'join'? |
| 01:01:27 | Tenchi | cat |
| 01:01:28 | Tenchi | ? |
| 01:01:32 | prpplague | tar? |
| 01:01:34 | kergoth` | jbardin: cat fileone filetwo > mergedfile |
| 01:01:37 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:01:52 | jbardin | what about alot of files? |
| 01:01:56 | Tenchi | cat == concatenate |
| 01:01:58 | zaurus | ne1 know how 2 unpack a gz file? |
| 01:01:59 | jbardin | hmm |
| 01:02:07 | Tenchi | man cat |
| 01:02:11 | kergoth` | jbardin: cat afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile afile > newfile |
| 01:02:13 | kergoth` | jbardin: :-P |
| 01:02:13 | prpplague | for x in file |
| 01:02:29 | ljp | heh cat /boot/vmlinux /opt/kde > blah |
| 01:02:31 | jbardin | trying now |
| 01:02:40 | jbardin | its an rar archive |
| 01:02:46 | kergoth` | ljp: you're just sick :-) |
| 01:02:51 | jbardin | i got off of usenet but i think its been chunked up |
| 01:02:53 | kergoth` | jbardin: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:03:08 | kergoth` | jbardin: oh. use cat to merge them, then decode them |
| 01:03:09 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:03:14 | jbardin | yea.. |
| 01:03:19 | jbardin | i think thats why i am getting crc errors |
| 01:03:27 | erikd | does anyone know how to force a spinbox to display 2 digits? even when the number is < 10? |
| 01:03:27 | jbardin | like according to the post i have all the archives |
| 01:03:32 | Cloudchaser | somethings not right .. syas qtpalmtop is taking 22mb.. windows tells me its taking 8.14mb |
| 01:03:33 | prpplague | cat /tmp/women $HOME/booze > /dev/trouble |
| 01:03:37 | kergoth` | jbardin: its decoded? |
| 01:03:45 | ljp | not sick, just extremely uninspired this evening |
| 01:03:53 | prpplague | ljp: you too? |
| 01:03:53 | kergoth` | jbardin: you realize everything on usenet is encoded from binary to ascii in some manner, right? |
| 01:04:04 | kergoth` | jbardin: s/everything/every binary file/ |
| 01:04:09 | jbardin | kergoth no its file-part00-40.rar |
| 01:04:12 | prpplague | ljp: this signature capture thing has sucked the inspiration out of me |
| 01:04:18 | kergoth` | jbardin: so? |
| 01:04:22 | jbardin | yea.. my client does that conversion |
| 01:04:38 | jbardin | well when i do the standard unrar on it, it doesnt work |
| 01:04:43 | jbardin | says something about crc errors |
| 01:04:50 | kergoth` | jbardin: so maybe one of th eparts was fucked up |
| 01:05:01 | jbardin | well it says that for all the parts |
| 01:05:04 | kergoth` | jbardin: reply to the message and see if anyone else had that problem |
| 01:05:10 | jbardin | then i have the Parchives to verify |
| 01:05:13 | kergoth` | jbardin: ah, then its user error eh |
| 01:05:15 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:05:17 | jbardin | and they say all of that is good |
| 01:05:30 | ljp | plus the vercel isn't much fun as drivers are... in need of work |
| 01:06:05 | kergoth` | ljp: make our /dev/dsp1 in 2.4.6 support writes :-) |
| 01:06:12 | jbardin | like typically tyhe files are filename.r00 through filename.rXX but this one all the extensions are .rar |
| 01:06:23 | jbardin | leads me to believe the file was chunked after it was rarchived |
| 01:06:49 | ljp | you mean /dev/sharp_buzzer ? |
| 01:06:52 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: is it possible somethings reported wrong? |
| 01:07:07 | kergoth` | jbardin: why not use a usenet app that can reassemble automatically, like pan? |
| 01:07:12 | kergoth` | ljp: no, i mean /dev/dsp1 |
| 01:07:13 | jbardin | on another note... what are your peoples opinions of sqlite ? |
| 01:07:24 | kergoth` | ljp: /dev/sharp_buzzer is a sharp proprietary weird ass character devcice interface |
| 01:07:27 | jbardin | i am looking for something that can handle 6000 records quickly |
| 01:07:35 | kergoth` | ljp: /dev/dsp1 = collie_tc35143af.c |
| 01:07:50 | kergoth` | ljp: collie_tc35143af = tc35143af chip = handles mic input and buzzer output. |
| 01:08:02 | ljp | kergoth`: you know on the sharp rom that /dev/dsp1 is the input |
| 01:08:07 | kergoth` | yes. |
| 01:08:14 | kergoth` | the same chip controls mic input that controls buzzer output. |
| 01:08:17 | ljp | silly |
| 01:08:24 | kergoth` | hence the same dsp device |
| 01:08:26 | kergoth` | heh |
| 01:09:08 | kergoth` | ljp: so uncomment the write functions in the collie_tc35143af driver (/dev/dsp1) and cross your fingers :-) |
| 01:09:42 | akk | Can I ask a newbie question here? |
| 01:09:44 | ljp | heh and cat ozzy.mp3 >> /dev/dsp1 |
| 01:09:46 | jbardin | cant yu just change the perms on the device? |
| 01:09:47 | kergoth` | akk: ask away |
| 01:09:50 | kergoth` | ljp: yeh |
| 01:09:57 | jbardin | and or just remove it |
| 01:10:04 | kergoth` | jbardin: hmm? the problem has nothing to do with permissions. |
| 01:10:12 | akk | New Zaurus owner, and I'm having trouble finding a howto that tells me how to download to the Zaurus from linux. |
| 01:10:28 | akk | The kernel registered CDCEther but I'm not sure where to go from there. |
| 01:10:29 | | howtos is probably at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 01:10:29 | kergoth` | ibot: howtos |
| 01:10:29 | ljp | you can use ftp port 4242 |
| 01:10:29 | jbardin | oh.. i thought he wanted to disable it |
| 01:10:39 | kergoth` | akk: you wont want to use cdcether, if you're on a recent rom |
| 01:10:53 | kergoth` | akk: new roms need usbdnet. read the howtos at that url. |
| 01:11:12 | kergoth` | ljp: the sharp_* drivers are all nonstandard sharp specific character intefaces for things |
| 01:11:18 | akk | 2.4.18 (redhat 7.3). Do I really need to patch the kernel like the instructions at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml ? |
| 01:11:25 | kergoth` | ljp: I'll be adapting them all to keep them around in 2.5, solely for compatibility. |
| 01:11:26 | akk | Even 2.4.19 doesn't have a driver for it? |
| 01:11:34 | kergoth` | akk: the instructions are correct. |
| 01:11:36 | kergoth` | akk: follow them |
| 01:11:50 | kergoth` | akk: usbdnet wont be in the official tree for a while yet |
| 01:12:23 | ljp | I use the usbdnet 'standalone' module |
| 01:12:27 | prpplague | argh, make clean in buildroot dir |
| 01:12:50 | prpplague | ljp: have you got a vercel? |
| 01:13:19 | ljp | vercel board.. |
| 01:13:38 | ljp | runs with serial connection |
| 01:13:59 | kergoth` | prpplague: ack, if thats oz, never run make clean. ever. heh |
| 01:14:00 | angry | http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:LhxHVINwkdUC:www.danheller.com/images/LatinAmerica/Patagonia/BuenosAires/boy-statue-big.jpg - does that look like something to you @ first sight? :-P |
| 01:14:05 | kergoth` | hates rebuilding glibc over and over |
| 01:14:06 | akk | Blech, that means I need to find another machine to sync from (I need the redhat kernel on my main machine because my homebuilt kernels won't run the CDRW). |
| 01:14:09 | akk | Thanks for the info, anyway. |
| 01:14:18 | prpplague | kergoth`: ya thats the second time i've done that |
| 01:14:27 | kergoth` | akk: hmm? |
| 01:14:37 | kergoth` | akk: the redhat kernel should work fine. |
| 01:14:45 | kergoth` | akk: just build the usbdnet module against the corrisponding kernel sources |
| 01:15:03 | akk | kergoth`: "make modules" on the redhat kernel fails (syntax error in a .h file). |
| 01:15:20 | akk | I haven't actually tried make mrclean first; maybe I'll try that. |
| 01:15:22 | ljp | http://llornkcor.com/screenshots/MVC-569F.JPG |
| 01:15:23 | kergoth` | akk: you copied the correct config file? |
| 01:15:29 | ljp | http://llornkcor.com/screenshots/MVC-571F.JPG |
| 01:15:34 | kergoth` | akk: you want make distclean, there is no make mrclean target |
| 01:15:52 | jbardin | what device is that |
| 01:15:52 | jbardin | ? |
| 01:15:59 | akk | mrproper, I was thinking. |
| 01:16:13 | ljp | top secret nuclear testing device ;) |
| 01:16:23 | angry | it looks neat |
| 01:16:28 | kergoth` | akk: you want make distclean, not make mrproper |
| 01:16:29 | ljp | thats most of a vercel |
| 01:16:35 | kergoth` | akk: make distclean does a more thorough job |
| 01:16:44 | akk | does a make distclean |
| 01:16:57 | kergoth` | akk: did you copy the correct confg file for the kernel you're on? |
| 01:17:10 | ljp | its more of a gamer/multimedia device |
| 01:17:16 | kergoth` | akk: either /boot/config-[kernel version string] or /usr/src/linux-2.4/configs/[appropriate config file] |
| 01:17:30 | akk | kergoth`: I think so, but I might have used a .config from another kernel tree on this machine. |
| 01:17:53 | kergoth` | akk: make sure you use the correct one. preferably the one that was installed by the kernel rpm in /boot. |
| 01:17:54 | ljp | hunts down collie-buzzer |
| 01:18:04 | akk | If I use configs/kernel-2.4.18-athlon.config, then make distclean followed by make dep dies with |
| 01:18:10 | akk | make: *** No rule to make target `include/linux/autoconf.h', needed by `include/linux/version.h'. Stop |
| 01:18:19 | angry | anyone here know "Todd Grayson" - he made ClassMate? |
| 01:18:25 | kergoth` | akk: ugh |
| 01:18:27 | akk | Oh, wait, I need make oldconfig, probably. |
| 01:18:28 | kergoth` | akk: run make oldconfig. |
| 01:18:36 | kergoth` | yes. |
| 01:18:46 | akk | That's better! |
| 01:18:50 | kergoth` | indeed |
| 01:21:14 | kergoth` | ljp: there's a audio out driver for the tc35143af in 2.5.x already (or rather, its for the ucb1x00, but the ucb1x00 drivers seem to work for the tc35143af.)... drivers/misc/ucb1x00_audio.c |
| 01:21:31 | jbardin | is thjere a z newsgroup |
| 01:21:31 | jbardin | ? |
| 01:22:00 | prpplague | jbardin: you mean newZgroup? |
| 01:22:16 | kergoth` | groans |
| 01:22:19 | jbardin | ummm |
| 01:23:24 | kendrick2 | re |
| 01:23:52 | kergoth` | hey kendrick2 |
| 01:25:02 | ljp | there's a handhelds newsgroup or something like that |
| 01:25:08 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 01:25:12 | kendrick2 | comp.sys.handhelds |
| 01:25:19 | kendrick2 | as well as comp.sys.palmtops |
| 01:25:21 | kendrick2 | i read/post to both |
| 01:26:03 | ljp | kergoth`: UDA1341 for headphone out? |
| 01:28:40 | kergoth` | ljp: drivers/sound/collie_ssp.c .. .its a PCM1741 DAC accessed via SSP |
| 01:30:03 | ljp | you havent imported that file yet? cause I dont have it in 2.5-collie |
| 01:30:14 | kend-busy | is away: developing wedding website! |
| 01:30:39 | w00t | hey guys |
| 01:31:10 | w00t | gotta quick question (as always): why isnt there the option for a 64bit WEP key? |
| 01:31:35 | akk | This patch (the one supposedly for Redhat) doesn't apply at all. |
| 01:32:08 | scanline | is away: eating dinner to avoid the wrath of file |
| 01:32:19 | codemnky | hey kergoth |
| 01:32:21 | Speedy2 | re |
| 01:32:41 | prpplague | w00t: hmm, 64bits, thats $8 guess they just couldn't up with that much money.... |
| 01:32:53 | codemnky | with openZ when installing packages how can you select where to install it with the GUI? |
| 01:33:12 | jbardin | ok i have an sqllite question... |
| 01:33:18 | w00t | prpplague: huh? |
| 01:33:30 | jbardin | when i link to the library to i need to link to the library that is compiled for the arm |
| 01:33:44 | jbardin | or can i link to a x86 library.. when compiling for the arm? |
| 01:34:34 | prpplague | w00t: sorry ./prpplague --mode bad-jokes |
| 01:34:36 | Speedy2 | jbardin: No |
| 01:34:52 | w00t | ah, hehe, ok |
| 01:35:22 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 01:35:36 | w00t | how do I set a 64bit WEP key if Im only presented with the options for 40bit and 128bit? |
| 01:35:38 | ljp | soft_mute and hard_mute?? weird |
| 01:35:53 | angry | heh, nice song |
| 01:35:59 | angry | meh wrong channel |
| 01:36:14 | angry | has been doing that a lot lately |
| 01:41:56 | warmi | re |
| 01:42:12 | zaurus | ne1 here using gnuboy on zaurus? |
| 01:42:17 | zaurus | im having trouble installing it |
| 01:42:54 | jbardin | arrrg i cant get sqlite to compile for arm... anyone know how? |
| 01:45:19 | warmi | jbardin: you want sqlite ready qt project with sqlite.pro etc ? |
| 01:45:42 | jbardin | umm what do you mean? |
| 01:46:10 | warmi | have you ever used tmake ? |
| 01:46:27 | jbardin | yea... |
| 01:46:37 | jbardin | do i need to use that to compile sqlite? |
| 01:46:42 | warmi | no |
| 01:46:53 | warmi | but original sqlite comes with tons of yacc scripts etc |
| 01:46:54 | jbardin | ok.. then how do i go about using sqlite in an app for the z |
| 01:47:09 | warmi | which fail when you try to compile this stuff on the zaurus |
| 01:47:17 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 01:47:24 | jbardin | well i am compikling it on my x86 machine |
| 01:47:36 | Speedy2 | You need to obtain the cross-compilers |
| 01:47:39 | warmi | I mean for the Zaurus , for arm arch |
| 01:47:42 | Speedy2 | They run on your x86 machine by produce ARM code |
| 01:47:58 | Speedy2 | Check the Sharp FAQ and the URL in the channel topic, they will have compilers available for download. |
| 01:48:12 | warmi | jbardin: basiacally, you run configure and etc trying to compile for the ARM using crosscompiler and it fails right ? |
| 01:48:20 | jbardin | yea/// |
| 01:48:25 | jbardin | using --host=arm-linux |
| 01:48:30 | ljp | is tired of deleting core files heh |
| 01:48:31 | jbardin | as a flag for ./configure |
| 01:48:52 | Speedy2 | warmi: Hello |
| 01:48:59 | jbardin | Speedy i have all of that.. i have the enviroment setup and everything and i have made 2 z apps allready |
| 01:49:18 | jbardin | so i know my enviro is workin properly.. i just cant get sqlite to compile to the arm archtecture |
| 01:49:23 | warmi | hi Speedy2 |
| 01:50:31 | prpplague | jbardin: what kind of problem are ya having with sqlite compile? |
| 01:50:36 | Speedy2 | warmi: How are things? |
| 01:50:43 | warmi | jbardin: log on to ftp.warmi.net |
| 01:50:44 | Cloudchaser | hiya warmi :) |
| 01:50:46 | warmi | as anynomous |
| 01:50:50 | warmi | and go to public dir |
| 01:50:57 | warmi | and then download sqlite.tar.gz |
| 01:51:08 | warmi | it is sqlite prepared to be compiled on the zaurus |
| 01:51:12 | jbardin | rock |
| 01:51:15 | warmi | I used that for my nfdb app |
| 01:51:21 | warmi | Cloudchaser: hi :-) |
| 01:51:30 | Cloudchaser | how's things with you? |
| 01:51:53 | warmi | jbardin: just make sure you arm compiling enviroment is ready ( variables etc) and issue tmake sqlite.pro > Makefile |
| 01:51:57 | warmi | and then make |
| 01:52:10 | warmi | just like you would compile/crosscompile Qtopia/qte app |
| 01:52:28 | jbardin | rock... |
| 01:52:30 | warmi | Cloudchaser: not bad .. been busy with my day job etc |
| 01:52:48 | jbardin | then to use it in my app i need to include the required headers then add -laqlite in my pro file for my app? |
| 01:52:58 | Speedy2 | warmi: I recall asking that question and not getting an answer. I guess you have to have a fluffy nick to get a response these days! |
| 01:53:19 | Cloudchaser | who are you calling fluffy buster!?? |
| 01:53:21 | warmi | Speedy2: man .. you are so sensitive :-) |
| 01:53:31 | Speedy2 | warmi: That's a joke ya know. |
| 01:53:36 | jbardin | eeek alot of errors all over the palce when it compiled... |
| 01:53:38 | warmi | jbardin: do you want nice sqlite cpp wrapper for qt ? |
| 01:53:40 | raster | fluffy bunnies! |
| 01:53:44 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 01:53:47 | Cloudchaser | i knew that |
| 01:53:53 | warmi | Speedy2: I know |
| 01:53:54 | Speedy2 | Cloudchaser: I called your nick fluffy. |
| 01:53:58 | Speedy2 | warmi: Do you really? |
| 01:54:16 | warmi | Speedy2: yep |
| 01:54:18 | Speedy2 | warmi: Any fun with compilers or still on other things? |
| 01:54:18 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 01:54:40 | warmi | jbardin: you mean when my sqlite packaged tried to compile ? |
| 01:54:52 | jbardin | yea... |
| 01:54:58 | warmi | Speedy2: not really .. hardly touched my zaurus stuff for the last two weeks or so |
| 01:55:00 | darienm | zaurus, are you still here? |
| 01:55:17 | warmi | jbardin: have you been able to crosscompile anything yet ? |
| 01:55:21 | warmi | any sort of qtopia app ? |
| 01:55:31 | warmi | just wondering if your env is set up correctly |
| 01:55:55 | jbardin | yea |
| 01:55:59 | jbardin | alot of stuff actually |
| 01:56:10 | jbardin | also how to i add a lib path to my .pro file? |
| 01:56:13 | akk | Sigh, the 2.4.19 version of the patch doesn't apply either, but at least it has smaller errors than the redhat patch. |
| 01:56:25 | jbardin | LIBPATH += /path/to/arm/sqlite/libs |
| 01:56:26 | jbardin | ? |
| 01:56:34 | warmi | LIBS += -lqpe -lsqlite |
| 01:57:08 | warmi | jbardin: ask darienm and erikd .. I gave them my sqlite package with C++ wrapper and they had no problems compiling it |
| 01:57:20 | warmi | perhaps, you are doing something wrong |
| 01:57:26 | darienm | jbardin: actually, ask erikd -- he's the programmer between the two of us. |
| 01:57:34 | kergoth` | akk: so the redhat patches are interfering with the usbdnet patch? |
| 01:57:43 | kergoth` | akk: you'll likely have to adapt it to make it work |
| 01:57:45 | jbardin | wamri no it compiled |
| 01:57:48 | jbardin | just alot of errors |
| 01:57:58 | akk | kergoth`: http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/patches/ has a patch that's supposedly for redhat, but it fails in numerous places. |
| 01:58:00 | warmi | oh .. then complain to sqlite author :-) |
| 01:58:01 | darienm | jbardin: also, Teax uses that same package (or a similar one) I think. |
| 01:58:04 | kergoth` | jbardin: s/errors/warnings/; |
| 01:58:09 | warmi | you mean .. a lot of warnings |
| 01:58:11 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:58:14 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 01:58:14 | jbardin | i know LIBS += buit what about path... |
| 01:58:26 | jbardin | cause i have the arm and x86 in two different places |
| 01:58:28 | akk | kergoth`: It also has a patch for 2.4.19, so I went to another machine, untarred a clean kernel.org tarball, and the 2.4.19 patch doesn't apply to it (fails on two files). |
| 01:58:35 | kergoth` | akk: well, 'for redhat' depends on which redhat kernel you're using |
| 01:58:43 | warmi | set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the dir where arm is |
| 01:58:47 | kergoth` | akk: the redhat kernels include the -ac patches plus numerous other things they add in |
| 01:58:59 | warmi | arm sqlite library that is |
| 01:59:04 | kergoth` | akk: I applied usbdnet to a clean kernel.org 2.4.19 without ANY problems. |
| 01:59:06 | darienm | warmi: I had a question for you about the sqlite libs. I am running about 4 apps on my Zaurus right now that use sqlite -- some of them were build with different versions -- how do you know what files/libs each program is going to want t have? |
| 01:59:07 | akk | kergoth`: The "for redhat" patch is for 2.4.18-4; I'm on RH 7.3 which is 2.4.18-3. |
| 01:59:10 | jbardin | also how to i tell it to do static linking? |
| 01:59:34 | warmi | darienm: depends how you compiled it .. so or static link ? |
| 01:59:34 | kergoth` | akk: heh, i dunno what to tell you. You'll have to figure out why it failed to apply and make it apply. |
| 01:59:37 | akk | kergoth`: I just downloaded this .19 tarball earlier today. Maybe the patch has changed since you applied it? |
| 01:59:46 | kergoth` | akk: i doubt it |
| 01:59:57 | kergoth` | akk: but hold, i'll test again |
| 02:00:02 | darienm | warmi: Hrm.. can you give me a quickie bit of info on the differences? |
| 02:00:03 | akk | is still amazed that there's no way to talk to a Zaurus without applying large patches |
| 02:00:09 | warmi | my nfdb lib just looks for sqlite.2.5.3.so |
| 02:00:20 | kergoth` | akk: ask sharp why they didnt get the support added to the official tree yet |
| 02:00:29 | jbardin | allrighty |
| 02:00:34 | kergoth` | akk: but really its not their fault. the linux usb maintainer hasnt merged it in yet. and wont, without alteration |
| 02:00:34 | warmi | darienm: you can compile lib statically which means it will be incorporated into your executable |
| 02:00:45 | kergoth` | akk: Linus opposed its inclusion without numerous fixups |
| 02:00:50 | darienm | warmi: ahhh. good. perhaps we should go that route. |
| 02:00:52 | akk | kergoth`: Sigh. USB is such a mess! |
| 02:00:54 | warmi | or dynamically which means you will end up with .so file which needs to be on the system where your exec is being run |
| 02:00:57 | darienm | warmi: then no worries about libs floating around. |
| 02:00:59 | warmi | just like windows .dll files |
| 02:01:16 | warmi | I would advise you go for static |
| 02:01:18 | akk | kergoth`: drivers/usb/Config.in and drivers/usb/Makefile were the files where the patch failed. |
| 02:01:19 | kergoth` | akk: usb for linux is improving drastically.. but the major development is occuring int he 2.5 tree, not 2.4 |
| 02:01:38 | kergoth` | akk: ah thats easy. send me the Config.in and Makefile from your tree and I'll manually apply it for you, unless you want to |
| 02:01:44 | kergoth` | akk: :-) |
| 02:01:46 | warmi | darienm: less problematic |
| 02:02:24 | akk | kergoth`: Thanks! email? Or maybe you could just mail me your copies of those files? |
| 02:04:54 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Hello. |
| 02:05:04 | kergoth` | Speedy2: hey, whats goin on? |
| 02:05:21 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Got some more GPS modules, going to go eat...not much |
| 02:05:22 | Speedy2 | you? |
| 02:06:16 | kergoth` | Speedy2: ah cool.. I'm takin it easy. something cdm said inspired me to finish up everything that uses the scoop chip before I move on to anything else, so I'm finishing up the pcmcia support atm |
| 02:06:36 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 02:06:40 | Speedy2 | Ok, I think I'll go eat |
| 02:06:42 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 02:06:46 | kergoth` | ttyl |
| 02:09:04 | dremspider | hey all |
| 02:09:10 | w00t | well, it turns out that the ley length doesnt matter - i setup an adhoc network with a 64 bit WEP key and connected to it just fine (and pinged) using a 40bit WEP key on the Z |
| 02:09:13 | Microdim | what file do I edit to change colors and pics to the Qtopia GUI? |
| 02:09:20 | w00t | heh |
| 02:09:46 | dremspider | microdim opie-drawpad |
| 02:09:57 | dremspider | y is kazaa so slow..... |
| 02:10:13 | dremspider | I have been trying to connect for 10 minutes now |
| 02:10:26 | dremspider | I know I have 56k, but cmon |
| 02:10:40 | Microdim | well i didn't mean what programs, I mean what config file if I want to make like the normal text green and the background black? |
| 02:11:16 | dremspider | ohh |
| 02:15:45 | codemnky | hello |
| 02:15:46 | Microdim | is there a way to overclock the CPU on the Zaurus? |
| 02:16:07 | codemnky | don't know |
| 02:16:16 | dremspider | I am sure there is, but the battery life already sucks |
| 02:16:26 | codemnky | anyone here use openZ? |
| 02:16:41 | roge99_laptop | hey codemnky |
| 02:16:44 | codemnky | i have an package install question |
| 02:16:44 | codemnky | heh |
| 02:16:46 | darienm | codemnky: I just started to... |
| 02:16:57 | codemnky | how can install into the SD |
| 02:17:03 | codemnky | can i do that with the GUI? |
| 02:17:07 | roge99_laptop | yep |
| 02:17:15 | codemnky | how exactly? |
| 02:17:18 | darienm | codemnky: yes |
| 02:17:25 | darienm | codemnky: it asks you |
| 02:17:31 | codemnky | but it's not |
| 02:17:45 | darienm | codemnky: as you expand the package there's an option.. lemme look at it. |
| 02:18:18 | roge99_laptop | hold the sylus down on the package you want to install and a menu pops up |
| 02:18:29 | roge99_laptop | install to ..... |
| 02:18:50 | warmi | alrightm , just did my first commit for OPIE |
| 02:18:58 | warmi | will see if I managed to f** anything there |
| 02:18:59 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:19:53 | codemnky | ah ha! |
| 02:19:55 | codemnky | thanks |
| 02:20:00 | roge99_laptop | no prob |
| 02:20:17 | codemnky | i have'nt been using it much since i couldn't connect |
| 02:20:23 | codemnky | know that i can, weeeeeeeeeeee |
| 02:20:26 | codemnky | now too |
| 02:20:45 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 02:20:46 | kergoth` | baha what the fuck are these people doing |
| 02:20:47 | kergoth` | jeeze |
| 02:20:52 | kergoth` | this code is .. odd |
| 02:20:56 | warmi | kergoth`: what people ? |
| 02:21:04 | kergoth` | warmi: lineo |
| 02:21:10 | warmi | ah ok |
| 02:21:23 | warmi | kergoth` still slaving for the kernel gods ? |
| 02:21:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:21:40 | kergoth` | they add a flags variable to the pcmcia configure structure.. and check the status of it and do things based on it.. okay... |
| 02:21:52 | kergoth` | but NOWHERE in the code can i find ANYTHING altering the flags variable. its always zeroed. |
| 02:22:11 | kergoth` | its like.. they were going ot use it for something, and changed their minds and forgot it in there |
| 02:22:15 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:22:33 | warmi | kergoth`: that's just variation on so common "unused variable" warning |
| 02:22:38 | Microdim | how do I enable secure shell? |
| 02:22:38 | warmi | nothing new here :-) |
| 02:23:16 | kergoth` | warmi: true that. |
| 02:23:57 | warmi | kergoth`it could be something for the future |
| 02:24:40 | kergoth` | warmi: possibly.. but .. it doesnt make any sense. i.e. there's a item in the flags variable for a READY state.. but there's already a pcmcia state structure that holds a bitfield of whether or not its ready... |
| 02:24:40 | warmi | Cloudchaser: are you still around ? |
| 02:24:57 | warmi | kergoth`: then perhaps just simple oversight |
| 02:24:58 | kergoth` | warmi: its redundant at best |
| 02:25:05 | kergoth` | ah well |
| 02:25:06 | kergoth` | yanks it and crosses his fingers |
| 02:25:14 | warmi | you know we all are people ... including lineo folks |
| 02:25:15 | warmi | heh |
| 02:25:26 | Microdim | how do I enable secure shell? |
| 02:25:34 | kergoth` | warmi: indeed. |
| 02:25:41 | warmi | or rarthe I shoud say "we all are just humans" |
| 02:25:44 | kergoth` | Microdim: we heard you the first time. |
| 02:26:04 | kergoth` | Microdim: repetition is annoying. |
| 02:26:15 | Microdim | sorry I didnt know if it got mixed up with all the other text :-( |
| 02:26:18 | Cloudchaser | warmi: barely |
| 02:26:22 | Cloudchaser | whats up? |
| 02:26:44 | warmi | not much just wondering if you ever got around writing that app for the Sharp challenge ? |
| 02:26:53 | Cloudchaser | i couldn't figure out how ;( |
| 02:27:05 | warmi | Cloudchaser: can't blame you there |
| 02:27:12 | Cloudchaser | tried qt designer tutorial and reading c++ stuff |
| 02:27:16 | warmi | it is not easy |
| 02:27:23 | Cloudchaser | i'm going to take a c++ class i think |
| 02:27:29 | warmi | if it was easy then programmers wouldn't command such salaries :-) |
| 02:27:32 | Cloudchaser | i can't figure it out on my own |
| 02:28:00 | warmi | yeah ... my wife is studying CS as well |
| 02:28:18 | Cloudchaser | CS? |
| 02:28:34 | warmi | computer science |
| 02:28:36 | Microdim | C Sharp? |
| 02:28:38 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 02:28:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:28:42 | Microdim | oh never mind |
| 02:28:44 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 02:28:47 | Microdim | heh :) |
| 02:28:49 | warmi | C Sharp too :-) |
| 02:29:16 | Microdim | :-) dam microsoft...its taking over the world! |
| 02:29:26 | Cloudchaser | i thought simple apps might not be so hard to learn how to make |
| 02:29:35 | Cloudchaser | but i was very wrong ;( |
| 02:30:04 | warmi | Microdim: as far as secure shell .. have you read that little faq http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/servers_howto.shtml ? |
| 02:30:05 | prpplague | warmi: to programmers in one house? |
| 02:30:07 | akk | C++ isn't the easiest first language to learn. |
| 02:30:27 | Cloudchaser | akk: maybe not but its the one i need to learn to make things for the z |
| 02:30:39 | warmi | prpplague: yeah .. well, not yet .. she is not sure if she will go for programming or just sys administration , cisco routers etc |
| 02:30:41 | Cloudchaser | i don't have an interest in make programs for pc |
| 02:30:42 | akk | I suppose you could start with Java. |
| 02:30:53 | akk | Not sure if that would be much easier. |
| 02:31:00 | Cloudchaser | warmi: i've got my ccnp |
| 02:31:14 | prpplague | warmi: ya, but thats pretty awesome, atleast she can laugh at your geek jokes...... |
| 02:31:22 | kergoth` | akk: I think C is a solid language to start with, myself. |
| 02:31:23 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:31:40 | Microdim | warmi: thank you that did the trick |
| 02:31:41 | warmi | prpplague: heheh .. or ask endless questions about Java, C++ , DNS .. everything |
| 02:31:49 | akk | C yes, C++ no ... too many things to trip over in C++. |
| 02:32:18 | warmi | C++ is C |
| 02:32:27 | kergoth` | akk: I disagree. what would you trip over? |
| 02:32:30 | Cloudchaser | well they said to do qt .. shouldl havce some c++ |
| 02:32:32 | warmi | if you start learning C++ , generally you will start with C side of it anyway |
| 02:32:39 | kergoth` | akk: if you dont use the object oriented stuff, you're fine |
| 02:32:39 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 02:32:46 | kergoth` | besides, c++ has stricter typing |
| 02:32:57 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:33:04 | akk | Overloading, stream I/O vs stdio, multiple inheritance ... sure you don't have to use it, but books will probably talk about these things. |
| 02:33:30 | warmi | personally, I think people should be thought both of these in their contexts .. like C for low level /system stuff and C++ for everything else |
| 02:33:31 | kergoth` | akk: if its a good book, those things wont be covered until later :-) |
| 02:33:45 | kergoth` | akk: personally, I advocate starting with K&R to begin |
| 02:33:46 | warmi | that would prevent people from creating GTKs of this world |
| 02:34:04 | kergoth` | akk: then pick up stroustrup when they're looking into c++ |
| 02:34:05 | Cloudchaser | whats K&R? |
| 02:34:07 | akk | kergoth`: I love K&R, I think all books should be written that way. |
| 02:34:12 | kergoth` | akk: here here! |
| 02:34:16 | warmi | Cloudchaser: ancient version of C |
| 02:34:25 | akk | "Here's hello world. Here's why it works. Now here's a slightly harder program. Here's what we added." |
| 02:34:29 | kergoth` | warmi: k&r is a book, not a version of C |
| 02:34:35 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: its the defintiive book on C, by its creators. |
| 02:34:36 | warmi | kergoth`: oh you mean the book |
| 02:34:47 | warmi | I thought you were talkign about k&R convention |
| 02:34:53 | kergoth` | people also refer to a certain coding style as k&r as well.. |
| 02:35:01 | warmi | old k&r C function convention :-) |
| 02:35:05 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 02:35:09 | kergoth` | I still code that way |
| 02:35:16 | kergoth` | its also the linux kernel coding style guidelines |
| 02:35:17 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:35:22 | warmi | kergoth`: uh .. I can't stand it .. |
| 02:35:25 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 02:35:35 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:35:39 | whardier | you are all sexy bitches |
| 02:35:42 | whardier | nuff said |
| 02:35:42 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: its so called K&R becuase of the authors.. Kernighan and Ritchie (I can NEVER spell their names right) .. the book is "The C Programming Language" |
| 02:35:46 | kergoth` | whardier: no shit |
| 02:36:04 | kergoth` | heheh |
| 02:36:04 | warmi | for (...) { |
| 02:36:04 | warmi | } |
| 02:36:08 | warmi | can't stand that :-) |
| 02:36:16 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:36:25 | warmi | but that's easy to fix using code formatters |
| 02:36:34 | kergoth` | indeed |
| 02:36:44 | kergoth` | uses indent -t 8 -kr (k&r mode) |
| 02:36:45 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:36:56 | warmi | if you look at my code it is ALWAYS |
| 02:36:58 | warmi | for (...) |
| 02:36:58 | warmi | { |
| 02:36:58 | warmi | ... |
| 02:36:58 | warmi | } |
| 02:37:01 | warmi | even for single liners |
| 02:37:19 | kergoth` | single liners? i dont both with braces for those. looks cleaner without em |
| 02:37:20 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:37:23 | kergoth` | imho of course |
| 02:37:28 | prpplague | checks the spelling on his c book |
| 02:37:34 | kergoth` | s/both/bother/ |
| 02:37:36 | warmi | yeah, it does but I acquired this habit |
| 02:37:38 | warmi | and I like it |
| 02:37:39 | kergoth` | prpplague: thanks. my copy of K&R is MISSING! |
| 02:37:43 | kergoth` | prpplague: sniffle |
| 02:37:58 | warmi | often I tend to add more code there etc .. |
| 02:38:14 | Cloudchaser | hehe g'night all..and thanks :) |
| 02:38:16 | warmi | kergoth`: you write C++ code at all ? |
| 02:38:20 | warmi | Cloudchaser: good night |
| 02:38:29 | prpplague | kergoth`: doh, i left my book back at the office |
| 02:38:36 | prpplague | s/back/bag |
| 02:39:26 | warmi | anyone here used Mozilla or Linux NEtscape to view zauruszone.com forums ? |
| 02:39:57 | kergoth` | warmi: yes, I do c++ as well. I much prefer c++ for most user space things. Then I dont have to reinvent the wheel by doing OO in C. |
| 02:40:05 | warmi | on both of these browser the actual posts are displayed in like 2 font size |
| 02:40:05 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:40:07 | kergoth` | prpplague: ah |
| 02:40:46 | warmi | kergoth`: yeah .... I know, doing OO in C is like trying to ride on a cow |
| 02:41:59 | EkePoetry | rides the cow |
| 02:42:30 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 02:42:51 | jbardin | rock.. warmi got a new plan... compile it on the skiff cluster |
| 02:42:56 | kergoth` | tests pcmcia in 2.5.30-rmk1-cl1 |
| 02:42:59 | jbardin | then just copy the library to my hokme machine |
| 02:43:03 | warmi | skiff cluster ? |
| 02:43:11 | ToyKeeper | makes a mess of function pointers in structs which all take themselves as their first argument, thus making a "class" in C... or riding a cow. |
| 02:43:13 | jbardin | thisway i can also compile the 3rd party c++ api |
| 02:43:24 | jbardin | warmi http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 02:43:27 | jbardin | it freakin rocks |
| 02:43:38 | jbardin | 6 machines you can telnet straight into and compile your code on |
| 02:43:49 | warmi | jbardin: oh that thing |
| 02:43:59 | jbardin | the binaries from there should work on the z right? |
| 02:44:04 | kergoth` | prefers crosscompilation. faster. |
| 02:44:08 | kergoth` | jbardin: yes. |
| 02:44:11 | jbardin | rock on |
| 02:44:15 | warmi | jbardin: yeah .. assuming glibc is the same |
| 02:44:32 | jbardin | yea.. the machine is dog slow.. but its the only chocer i have if i want to use the 3rd party c++ api |
| 02:44:35 | jbardin | which seems pretty nice |
| 02:44:45 | kergoth` | jbardin: what 3rd party api? |
| 02:44:50 | jbardin | the c++ api build system.. is to say the least lacking any higher level compilbility |
| 02:45:05 | jbardin | http://sqlitedataset.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:45:09 | warmi | ToyKeeper: I gather you code in GTK ? |
| 02:45:40 | jbardin | seems pretty nice |
| 02:45:51 | jbardin | i like the way it handles the table fields in the result data set |
| 02:45:59 | jbardin | while (!ds->eof()) { |
| 02:45:59 | jbardin | cout << ds->fv("type")<<"|"<<ds->fv("name")<<"\n"; |
| 02:45:59 | jbardin | ds->next(); |
| 02:46:09 | jbardin | gah.. bit of a flodd there |
| 02:46:49 | cranchy | damnit...kergoth...my time is drfting on my Z |
| 02:47:32 | oGMo | man, you can't imagine how much i LOVE my z |
| 02:47:35 | kergoth` | cranchy: blame the rtc |
| 02:48:07 | kergoth` | cranchy: I havent noticed that myself, but i reflash it daily so i never leave it up and running long enough to test |
| 02:48:07 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:48:14 | warmi | QueryResult qr=db.execSQL("select NDB_No,desc from FOODS_WR"); |
| 02:48:14 | warmi | for(i=0;i<qr.getNumRows();i++) |
| 02:48:14 | warmi | { |
| 02:48:14 | warmi | new FListViewItem (inputDataView,qr.getData(i,0),translateName(qr.getData(i,1))); |
| 02:48:14 | warmi | } |
| 02:48:16 | oGMo | everything else is "oh, that's cute, maybe i'd use it"... but... damn |
| 02:48:17 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:48:20 | oGMo | </rant> |
| 02:48:28 | warmi | jbardin: I didn't know about that wrapper so I wrote my own |
| 02:48:32 | cranchy | hehe |
| 02:48:39 | cranchy | anyway to fix it at all without resetting the time |
| 02:49:19 | kergoth` | cranchy: use ntp |
| 02:49:26 | cranchy | how... |
| 02:49:27 | kergoth` | cranchy: install the opie ntp clcok |
| 02:49:33 | cranchy | aight :) |
| 02:49:38 | akk | kergoth`: Assuming I ever get this kernel going ... once the net connection is up, do I use ftp from the linux box to send files? |
| 02:49:51 | cranchy | or scp akk |
| 02:49:51 | kergoth` | akk: either ftp to 4242 or install qtopia desktop or use ssh on the Z |
| 02:49:55 | kergoth` | akk: myself, i use scp |
| 02:49:56 | kergoth` | yep |
| 02:49:56 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:50:18 | akk | scp is good, I like that. Thanks. |
| 02:50:52 | codemnky | what's the command to install in the SD the gui is givng error |
| 02:51:07 | kergoth` | codemnky: you cant. unless you want to manually symlink every file manually. |
| 02:51:08 | codemnky | not sure how to name .. -dest ? |
| 02:51:14 | kergoth` | er |
| 02:51:14 | codemnky | eeek |
| 02:51:16 | cranchy | ipkg -d sd isn't it |
| 02:51:18 | kergoth` | s/manually././; |
| 02:51:28 | kergoth` | cranchy: yes, but then he has to symlink it all to root manually |
| 02:51:35 | kergoth` | codemnky: what error? |
| 02:51:41 | warmi | jbardin: that sqlitedataset wrapper is too "deep" for me .. meaning it tries to behave like MS Acess .. I personally prefer JDBC like interface |
| 02:51:54 | cranchy | gotcha |
| 02:52:06 | codemnky | unknown sub command /mnt/card |
| 02:52:12 | codemnky | from gui |
| 02:52:21 | kergoth` | jbardin: you are aware that the zaurus doesnt have libstdc++ right? |
| 02:52:28 | kergoth` | codemnky: huh? |
| 02:52:33 | codemnky | that was it says |
| 02:52:44 | codemnky | want to me to make a screen shot ? |
| 02:52:46 | kergoth` | codemnky: go into the dests configuration and make sure the sd one is correct. |
| 02:52:51 | kergoth` | codemnky: yes, please do |
| 02:53:02 | warmi | uh .. right, this suckers wants STL |
| 02:53:05 | codemnky | where's that at |
| 02:53:06 | kergoth` | yep |
| 02:53:08 | warmi | this sucker even |
| 02:53:14 | kergoth` | codemnky: install opie-screenshotapplet |
| 02:53:24 | codemnky | right where's the dest options |
| 02:53:31 | codemnky | you want me to look at |
| 02:53:34 | kergoth` | codemnky: you need to learn to look around man. |
| 02:53:38 | codemnky | ok |
| 02:53:40 | kergoth` | codemnky: its up in the big obvious menus |
| 02:53:51 | codemnky | i'm tired |
| 02:54:11 | codemnky | it says |
| 02:54:19 | codemnky | sd /mnt/card |
| 02:54:24 | codemnky | is that right? |
| 02:54:46 | [DrEvil] | kergoth`: do I put the -ex in the function or on the function declaration? |
| 02:54:50 | codemnky | i noticed cf is just cf not cf /mnt/cf |
| 02:55:34 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: as the first line in the function. and its 'set -ex' |
| 02:55:35 | roge99_laptop | hey the entry for sd was fscked out the box |
| 02:55:40 | kergoth` | codemnky: thats not right. |
| 02:55:45 | kergoth` | codemnky: thats fixed in the latest OZ, by the way. |
| 02:55:48 | roge99_laptop | edit it |
| 02:55:52 | kergoth` | codemnky: edit the entry. its name is sd, the path is /mnt/card |
| 02:56:05 | roge99_laptop | kergoth`: yea i saw that :-) |
| 02:56:07 | kergoth` | roge99_laptop: err, i thought it was fixed in 2.9.5.5... i know its fixed in the feed. |
| 02:56:10 | kergoth` | heh |
| 02:56:23 | kergoth` | what the FUCK |
| 02:56:36 | kergoth` | prpplague: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes |
| 02:56:36 | kergoth` | TCP: Hash tables configured (established 4096 bind 4096) |
| 02:56:38 | kergoth` | NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. |
| 02:56:40 | kergoth` | mtdblock_open |
| 02:56:42 | kergoth` | mtdblock_release |
| 02:56:44 | kergoth` | mtdblock_open |
| 02:56:47 | kergoth` | ok |
| 02:56:48 | kergoth` | VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly. |
| 02:56:50 | kergoth` | Freeing init memory: 68K |
| 02:56:52 | kergoth` | sorry for the flood |
| 02:56:54 | kergoth` | the fucker hangs right there |
| 02:56:56 | kergoth` | never starts init |
| 02:56:59 | kergoth` | piece of shit |
| 02:57:00 | kergoth` | it worked last night.. |
| 02:57:19 | roge99_laptop | hands kergoth` a hammer |
| 02:57:34 | kergoth` | starts hitting things randomly |
| 02:57:46 | prpplague | kergoth`: check your perms on your libs |
| 02:57:47 | roge99_laptop | ouch |
| 02:58:07 | kergoth` | prpplague: its all correct |
| 02:58:17 | kergoth` | prpplague: it worked last night.. what changed.. hmm |
| 02:59:14 | prpplague | kergoth`: i find that it hangs there when there is a problem with the libc, perms, wrong path, or wrong arch |
| 02:59:39 | kergoth` | checks his sanity |
| 03:00:42 | whardier | damn you |
| 03:00:44 | whardier | let the rabbits wear glasses! |
| 03:00:51 | whardier | can I get an Amen! |
| 03:01:40 | kergoth` | Amen! |
| 03:01:48 | whardier | Thank you jesus! |
| 03:01:50 | prpplague | Ameeen! |
| 03:01:58 | akk | Gahhh ... got the new kernel booted, I have usbdnet.o as a module, but when I press the sync button I'm getting "is not claimed by any active driver". |
| 03:02:00 | prpplague | Thank ya Looorda |
| 03:02:07 | warmi | alright |
| 03:02:10 | warmi | g'night all |
| 03:02:16 | prpplague | warmi: night |
| 03:02:16 | kergoth` | akk: you probably forgot to set the correct vendor and product ids in usbdnet |
| 03:02:20 | kergoth` | night warmi |
| 03:02:25 | whardier | me decides.. he is much better off.. being |
| 03:02:34 | whardier | DOPED UP ON VANILLA COKE! |
| 03:02:51 | akk | They're there, for idVendor and idProduct (Network Class and Network Subclass I left as zero since the howto doesn't mention them). |
| 03:02:57 | | feeds is, like, listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 03:02:57 | shoe | ibot feeds |
| 03:03:05 | kergoth` | akk: you using hotplug? |
| 03:03:08 | | whardier: what? |
| 03:03:08 | whardier | ibot feeds on tcp/ip packets |
| 03:03:23 | | opie feed is http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq or newer on http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ or at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 03:03:23 | whardier | ibot opie feed |
| 03:03:29 | | whardier: what? |
| 03:03:29 | whardier | ibot booger feed |
| 03:03:41 | | OK, whardier. |
| 03:03:41 | whardier | ibot booger feed is at http://www.booger.com |
| 03:03:59 | akk | kergoth`: Good question -- I was assuming so, but I guess I've never hotplugged anything on this machine. |
| 03:04:12 | shoe | what's the zaurus zone feed? |
| 03:04:30 | akk | kergoth`: Aha, no /etc/hotplug. I guess I should get it? |
| 03:04:35 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 03:04:35 | prpplague | ibot: horse feed is at http://www.purina.com |
| 03:04:46 | whardier | hehehe |
| 03:05:32 | akk | kergoth`: I do get a message in dmesg when I press the button, just not the right message. |
| 03:05:42 | ToyKeeper | warmi: I do some GTK, but that's not what I was talking about.. :) |
| 03:05:56 | kergoth` | akk: install hotplug. it's what loads the appropriate modules when they're needed. |
| 03:06:08 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. Seems to be gone. |
| 03:06:18 | kergoth` | ToyKeeper: ? |
| 03:06:19 | akk | kergoth`: Okay, will do. The howto seems to say it's optional. |
| 03:06:27 | kergoth` | oh warmi, yeah he left for the night |
| 03:06:35 | kergoth` | akk: it is optional. |
| 03:06:45 | kergoth` | akk: start manually insmod'ing everything if you dont want it. |
| 03:06:53 | kergoth` | akk: and dont forget to ifconfig up the usbd interface |
| 03:07:11 | zaurus | ne1 here got a werkin gnuboy on sl-5500 |
| 03:08:23 | kergoth` | ARGH! |
| 03:08:27 | kergoth` | prpplague: it wont boot anymore. wtf. |
| 03:08:40 | kergoth` | zaurus: do you ask that like once every few hours? |
| 03:08:43 | kergoth` | zaurus: hehe |
| 03:09:37 | shoe | haha |
| 03:09:56 | kergoth` | DAMNIT |
| 03:10:08 | kergoth` | i see no penguin on the LCD anymore either, the lcd is all fucked up looking |
| 03:10:17 | kergoth` | why are more things breaking than are starting to work? |
| 03:10:18 | akk | kergoth`: Hmm, if I manually modprobe usbdnet, I get: Warning: /lib/modules/2.4.19zaurus/kernel/drivers/usb/usbdnet.o symbol for parameter echo_tx not found |
| 03:10:21 | prpplague | kergoth`: nothing at all???? |
| 03:10:23 | kergoth` | DAMN YOU MURPHY! |
| 03:10:27 | kergoth` | akk: thats harmless |
| 03:10:36 | kergoth` | akk: bring up the interface, it'll work fine |
| 03:10:45 | prpplague | kergoth`: you even get the kernel decompression? |
| 03:10:56 | kergoth` | prpplague: yeah the kernel boots fine, just wont start init anymore |
| 03:11:04 | kergoth` | prpplague: the libs are fine the kernel command line is fine |
| 03:11:06 | kergoth` | hrm |
| 03:11:06 | ToyKeeper | Someone told me today that typing on my Z looked like I was playing a gameboy. |
| 03:11:20 | akk | Woohoo! Got a ping response! |
| 03:11:26 | kergoth` | akk: congrats |
| 03:11:29 | prpplague | kergoth`: hmm, your probably going to hit me, but did you remember to turn on the FPU emulation? |
| 03:11:39 | akk | kergoth`: Thanks so much for all the help! |
| 03:11:52 | kergoth` | prpplague: hehe. yes, nwfpe is fired up |
| 03:12:06 | kergoth` | prpplague: I'm using the same kernel config file that worked last night :-) |
| 03:12:20 | prpplague | kergoth`: hmm well darn |
| 03:12:30 | kergoth` | no kidding |
| 03:12:36 | kergoth` | it MUST be something incredibly simple |
| 03:12:42 | prpplague | kergoth`: can you set init to boot to a shell? |
| 03:12:44 | akk | It's refusing connection for scp, ssh and telnet, though. |
| 03:13:04 | kergoth` | prpplague: I never get the "init started" or whatever message |
| 03:13:06 | kergoth` | akk: did you install sshd? |
| 03:13:11 | kergoth` | akk: did you enable telnet in the inetd.conf? |
| 03:13:12 | kergoth` | akk: heh |
| 03:13:30 | akk | kergoth`: I can't install anything, that's the whole point. :-) Is there an app already on it that lets me do that? |
| 03:13:35 | kergoth` | prpplague: so init is never spawning properly. Its almost like its hanging in the mount. I'd better check the blocksize i'm using on the cramfs image. |
| 03:13:40 | prpplague | kergoth`: hmm, maybe you should add the printascii function and turn on kernel debugging |
| 03:13:44 | kergoth` | akk: we already told you about ftp to 4242 |
| 03:13:49 | kergoth` | akk: and you do have a CF card right? |
| 03:14:02 | akk | kergoth`: No, not yet. I just got the Zaurus today. |
| 03:14:04 | kergoth` | prpplague: dont need it, serial console is working great :) |
| 03:14:50 | prpplague | kergoth`: ya but when you have printascii running you get to see more of the low level stuff |
| 03:14:50 | kergoth` | prpplague: i should enable cramfs debugging, if there is such a thing though |
| 03:15:06 | akk | Ah, forgot about that port 4242 thing. Yes, that's working! |
| 03:15:19 | darienm | zaurus, I have gnuboy working on my SL-5500 |
| 03:15:33 | darienm | zaurus, its slow as molasses but it plays gameboy and gameboy color games |
| 03:15:49 | kergoth` | prpplague: not really. I've enabled it before, but nothing uses it implicitly |
| 03:16:14 | kergoth` | prpplague: I did, however, edit kernel/printk.c and crank the default loglevel to 9, so i see KERN_DEBUG messages :-) |
| 03:16:38 | akk | kergoth`: Sorry, I just keep coming up with questions, but if I ftp a .ipk to the Zaurus, how do I install it at the Zaurus end? |
| 03:16:51 | kergoth` | akk: run the package installer. |
| 03:16:53 | kergoth` | akk: tap on it. |
| 03:16:54 | prpplague | kergoth`: ya but when you turned on the kernel debugging, did you modify the printk to add the printk stuff? |
| 03:16:55 | kergoth` | heh |
| 03:17:25 | kergoth` | prpplague: i've done that.. you're not getting it, if i make printk use printascii, i'll see the messages printk outputs.. but i see those already, through the serial console |
| 03:17:48 | prpplague | kergoth`: gotcha, i see what your saying now |
| 03:17:54 | prpplague | is slow tonight |
| 03:18:48 | kergoth` | np |
| 03:19:04 | kergoth` | I had to do that before I had the serial console working :-) |
| 03:20:11 | akk | Ugh, ftp stalled at 66% for qpe-terminal. |
| 03:20:21 | NeoTron | Cloudchaser: got your mail. :P |
| 03:20:44 | zaurus | :P |
| 03:21:13 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 03:24:15 | NeoTron | two japanese sales |
| 03:25:03 | akk | kergoth`: Nope, not working. I got 2/3 through transferring the terminal, it stalled and now I can't seem to restart it. |
| 03:25:15 | akk | kergoth`: I tried rmmod/modprobe, and I got one ping response then a hang again. |
| 03:25:39 | kergoth` | akk: the driver's a piece of shit. |
| 03:25:43 | kergoth` | akk: heh. |
| 03:25:45 | prpplague | kergoth`: well, i've tested with the handhelds.org toolchain, and erikm's toolchain, built and flashed about 5 each with no problems on the tinyx.mk |
| 03:26:22 | kergoth` | prpplague: yeah I suspect its something I changed in the oz-tiny target (minimal version), or in the kernel i'm using. cant seem to nail it down |
| 03:26:42 | kergoth` | prpplague: i'm probably going to commit a changeset with the pcmcia shit into the bk tree and get some sleep, tackle this tomorrow |
| 03:26:56 | prpplague | kergoth`: ok cool |
| 03:27:13 | prpplague | kergoth`: need your sleep for that digi fun |
| 03:27:30 | akk | Oh, nice, this time it hung the Zaurus too. |
| 03:27:47 | kergoth` | prpplague: ohhh yeah |
| 03:28:10 | kergoth` | akk: thats odd. the Z side drivers are pretty good (Though they occasionally get into a deleted state).. its the host side drivers that really blow |
| 03:28:32 | akk | hits the reset button |
| 03:28:50 | prpplague | kergoth`: any thing else i need to test before commiting? |
| 03:29:04 | akk | This is looking hopeless. Maybe I should just wait and buy a CF card. |
| 03:29:06 | zaurus | is there a way 2 speed up vid playback ? |
| 03:30:17 | akk | Argh! It forgets all its settings every time it reboots? |
| 03:31:35 | kergoth` | akk: hmm? |
| 03:31:40 | kergoth` | akk: no. |
| 03:31:56 | akk | kergoth`: I hit reset to reboot it, and it forgot the time and all my personal info. |
| 03:32:04 | kergoth` | akk: no. |
| 03:32:09 | kergoth` | akk: you're *FULL reset*ing |
| 03:32:10 | akk | Is there a "soft reset" that doesn't do that? I used the one by the battery. |
| 03:32:12 | kergoth` | akk: read your manual |
| 03:32:21 | kergoth` | akk: just flip the battery switch to remove, and flip it back. |
| 03:32:29 | kergoth` | akk: that = soft reset = reboot of the Z |
| 03:32:58 | akk | will read the manual more carefully tonight, missed that on the quick pass through -- thanks! |
| 03:33:05 | kergoth` | np |
| 03:56:59 | prpplague | wow, i actually got a spam that i was interested in http://www.oeone.com/ |
| 03:58:16 | DaWorm | isnt that a linux packaged to make it easy to use? |
| 03:59:37 | prpplague | DaWorm: looks that way, but thats the first spam i've ever gotten with linux in it |
| 04:00:22 | DaWorm | lol at least it catched your attention |
| 04:00:22 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:01:53 | prpplague | DaWorm: that it did, when i free time i usually call these people that send me spam about virus protection and learn windows and that kinda crap, then tell them, ya i use a real os, lol |
| 04:03:25 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 04:03:27 | DaWorm | that's strange |
| 04:03:32 | DaWorm | Intellisync is full of crap |
| 04:03:43 | DaWorm | i'm trying to sync my contacts to my wife's notebook |
| 04:04:04 | DaWorm | and intellisync insists to add contacts to SL which I already delted from outlook |
| 04:04:05 | DaWorm | grrr |
| 04:05:20 | prpplague | night folks |
| 04:09:16 | whardier | Woo |
| 04:09:20 | whardier | T |
| 04:26:26 | DaWorm | rikkus |
| 04:26:42 | DaWorm | i was just looking at vim |
| 04:26:43 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:28:04 | rikkus | :) |
| 06:01:54 | scanline | kergoth`: you about? |
| 06:02:12 | scanline | kergoth`: I don't suppose you've got a libpng .mk file for OZ? :) |
| 06:04:05 | raster | everyon is dead |
| 06:04:07 | raster | dead i say |
| 06:04:12 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:04:22 | scanline | want libpng! :) |
| 06:04:38 | scanline | yeek... still can't find jpeglib.h |
| 06:05:31 | scanline | fixes broke stuff |
| 06:06:11 | raster | b0rk b0rk |
| 06:08:55 | DaWorm | i just wish those doom2.wads can run on a card |
| 06:09:03 | DaWorm | i'm almost out of memory |
| 06:09:04 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:10:20 | whardier | *yawn* |
| 06:10:52 | whardier | almost feels the need to be named vector.. after seeing raster and scanline in the same place |
| 06:10:59 | scanline | haha |
| 06:11:10 | scanline | tosses random pixels at #zaurus |
| 06:11:27 | whardier | feels nothing.. being completely analog himself |
| 06:11:33 | whardier | *yawn* |
| 06:11:39 | whardier | god damnit.. I can't sleep |
| 06:11:42 | raster | hehehehehehehe |
| 06:11:52 | raster | vectors are for whimps |
| 06:11:56 | whardier | good news is.. I turned my joysticks into multicast devices.. |
| 06:12:00 | raster | they go in line multiple dimensions and shit |
| 06:12:06 | raster | scanlines & rasters are nice 1d |
| 06:12:07 | raster | :) |
| 06:12:10 | whardier | and my mouse.. and keyboard.. and anything else.. |
| 06:12:24 | scanline | whardier: kernel input layer? |
| 06:12:29 | whardier | nope.. heh |
| 06:12:46 | scanline | admits he hasn't a clue of what whardier is working on |
| 06:12:50 | whardier | just broadcasting device changes to a multicast port in its own seudo meta language |
| 06:13:02 | whardier | well.. I don't have like 6 joystick ports |
| 06:13:05 | whardier | but I need that many |
| 06:13:08 | scanline | ah |
| 06:13:15 | scanline | flight simulator or something? |
| 06:13:17 | whardier | so I had to make a multicast layer to distribute them over .. stuff.. |
| 06:13:19 | DaWorm | does anyone know how to run prboom in portrait mode instead of the default landscape mode |
| 06:13:34 | whardier | scanline: doing some research for a company.. sub simulations |
| 06:13:42 | scanline | nods |
| 06:13:50 | whardier | DaWorm: cover 3/4 of the screen :) |
| 06:13:57 | DaWorm | hahaha |
| 06:14:25 | whardier | this is kinda sick and wrong tho |
| 06:14:34 | whardier | I can replicate X |
| 06:14:58 | whardier | or atleast it makes sense how to right now |
| 06:15:31 | whardier | I really wish there was a groovy network layer for Xinerama |
| 06:15:46 | whardier | that would be.. the shizniggity of slow.. and cool |
| 06:16:26 | whardier | is talking too much for a tired guy |
| 06:18:32 | whardier | holy crap I am unoptimized |
| 06:18:51 | [DrEvil] | runs MandrakeUpdate |
| 06:19:07 | [DrEvil] | who said apt-get was everything |
| 06:19:30 | whardier | me |
| 06:24:28 | scanline | oops |
| 06:24:52 | whardier | yeah.. no shit.. the world almost collapsed w/o you here |
| 06:25:00 | scanline | :P |
| 06:25:07 | whardier | speaking of which |
| 06:25:09 | whardier | I love farscape |
| 06:25:09 | scanline | I keep breaking my control key... |
| 06:25:21 | scanline | this is the second control key I've cracked |
| 06:25:24 | whardier | scanline needs to break down and snag a happy hacker |
| 06:25:33 | scanline | whardier: this is a laptop |
| 06:25:38 | whardier | hmm |
| 06:25:39 | scanline | whardier: on my desktop I have a Model M |
| 06:25:45 | whardier | ) |
| 06:25:46 | whardier | : |
| 06:25:48 | whardier | even |
| 06:25:52 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:26:04 | scanline | I think emacs is killing my modifier keys |
| 06:26:11 | whardier | my life would be so much more worth it if I could afford beer ATM |
| 06:26:17 | scanline | of course, if I was a vi person I'd be killing my escape key |
| 06:26:29 | whardier | I use jed. heh |
| 06:26:43 | whardier | and I try to keep it simple |
| 06:26:49 | scanline | I used to use jed all the time when I had a slower laptop (486 with 8MB memory) |
| 06:27:00 | scanline | I'd use the emacs keybindings :) |
| 06:27:05 | whardier | if I press more than 2 modifiers at a time I might as well manually do what I wanted to do |
| 06:27:14 | whardier | I use emacs keybindings |
| 06:27:26 | whardier | I just don't have any funkness set up |
| 06:27:26 | whardier | heh |
| 06:28:10 | scanline | now that I have like 56936MB of memory on my laptop I just use emacs |
| 06:28:24 | scanline | well, 256MB.. but it's close enough to infinity to not matter |
| 06:28:33 | whardier | ? |
| 06:28:49 | whardier | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 06:28:50 | whardier | Mem: 1544724 1533164 11560 0 118968 1257244 |
| 06:28:53 | whardier | thats all I got :( |
| 06:29:01 | scanline | 1GB? |
| 06:29:07 | whardier | 1.5 |
| 06:29:13 | scanline | err.. yeah.. need sleep |
| 06:29:22 | whardier | the other 512MB stick I inhereted was broken |
| 06:29:31 | scanline | I have 512MB on my desktop.. I should get more for it |
| 06:29:36 | whardier | has a dual 933 given to him a while back |
| 06:29:40 | scanline | but compared to 8MB this is awesome |
| 06:30:03 | scanline | (I've had this laptop for over a year and I'm still impressed that it has more than 8MB of memory ;) |
| 06:31:00 | whardier | wow dude |
| 06:32:35 | | kergoth` was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 59 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: np [Thu Aug 15 04:33:05 2002] |
| 06:32:35 | scanline | ibot: seen kergoth`? |
| 06:32:51 | whardier | this is nice |
| 06:32:57 | whardier | now I can control joysticks |
| 06:33:06 | whardier | and multiple things along the same network can know the coordinates of them |
| 06:33:11 | whardier | that makes a few things easier |
| 06:33:34 | whardier | like the computer for rendering stuff knows what is going on.. and the visualization ones are in sync.. all is good |
| 06:40:53 | whardier | has a naughty little finger |
| 07:08:17 | scanline | hacks together a libpng3.mk for OpenZaurus |
| 07:09:08 | whardier | sounds.. communistic |
| 07:09:16 | whardier | how could you |
| 07:09:29 | whardier | is too dead |
| 07:09:45 | whardier | I need to sleep night all good night hasta lavista thanks to all of you that believe! |
| 07:09:47 | whardier | ?? |
| 07:10:00 | scanline | casts Revive on whardier |
| 07:10:11 | whardier | god damnit I wanted to sleep |
| 07:10:19 | whardier | my cats are cute when they cuddle |
| 07:10:24 | scanline | casts Narcolepsy on whardier |
| 07:10:25 | whardier | except when its against my bladder.. that sucks |
| 07:10:46 | whardier | uh.. sorry.. I think I might have been delayed.. what time is it? |
| 07:10:58 | whardier | reads up and punches scanline |
| 07:11:07 | scanline | haha |
| 07:11:09 | scanline | ow |
| 07:11:10 | whardier | no more Narcolepsy casting for you |
| 07:11:40 | whardier | we still need to go chill in pearl street sometime |
| 07:11:52 | whardier | just for freak proofage |
| 07:12:01 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:12:14 | whardier | you can bring your laptop along if you don't feel safe detaching |
| 07:12:46 | scanline | I've gone on two trips this summer to meet people in real life that I met in #picogui |
| 07:12:56 | scanline | and I'm on one right now |
| 07:13:02 | whardier | where are you |
| 07:13:13 | scanline | I'm in Victoria, Canada, visiting Xentac |
| 07:13:17 | whardier | Heh! |
| 07:13:20 | scanline | but I leave tomorrow |
| 07:13:28 | whardier | you drove I hope!? |
| 07:13:34 | scanline | haha.. no, we flew |
| 07:13:51 | scanline | then took a ferry |
| 07:13:53 | scanline | (this is an island) |
| 07:13:56 | whardier | heh thats no fun.. guess out of safety I have to quit shooting stuff at airplanes tomorrow |
| 07:14:04 | scanline | oh, thanks |
| 07:14:21 | scanline | nah.. flight is only 2 hours |
| 07:14:25 | whardier | hmm |
| 07:14:31 | whardier | picogui plus YUV overlay? |
| 07:14:46 | scanline | hmm? No YUV overlay stuff in picogui yet... |
| 07:14:51 | whardier | :( |
| 07:15:00 | whardier | you could with the SDL driver :) |
| 07:15:02 | whardier | oh well |
| 07:15:12 | scanline | IIRC there's a YUV output driver for some set top box stuff Smartdata is doing |
| 07:15:19 | scanline | and yeah, SDL can do YUV (but slowly) |
| 07:15:35 | whardier | steal the mplayer stuff :) |
| 07:15:47 | whardier | seen effectv? talk about really cool YUV filtering |
| 07:15:52 | whardier | oh well/ |
| 07:15:55 | whardier | </bable> |
| 07:15:57 | whardier | <sleep> |
| 07:16:01 | scanline | good night |
| 07:16:02 | whardier | have a good flight tomorrow |
| 07:16:20 | scanline | I should be asleep.. I have to catch a bus/ferry/plane tomorrow.. but maybe I'll stay up all night and sleep on the plane |
| 07:16:26 | whardier | try to film some flying nuns as you pass over northern america |
| 07:16:34 | scanline | haha |
| 08:03:42 | Twiun | morning folks |
| 08:17:46 | imm | hi |
| 08:18:14 | erwan | hello |
| 08:45:33 | George- | lo |
| 08:45:56 | George- | I'm on OPN, not freenode! =P |
| 08:45:59 | George- | lol |
| 08:52:21 | scanline | is away: ZzzzZzzzZZZZZzzzz... (where'd navi.picogui.org go???)... ZzzzZZZZzzzz... |
| 08:54:37 | George- | gtg |
| 09:02:32 | darienm | whardier ? |
| 09:03:24 | darienm | whardier: I think the song "orbitus teranium" on "escm" is the soundtrack for "The Killer Bean 2" |
| 09:04:06 | darienm | whardier: its weird listening to it.... allI can see is the movie. http://www.jefflew.com/ |
| 09:45:42 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 10:20:21 | seth | does anyone know if there is a way to stream video to the zaurus? |
| 10:28:45 | seth | anyone in here? |
| 10:29:15 | imm | yep |
| 10:29:42 | Harlekin | seth: op² |
| 10:34:07 | seth | ahhh... so anyone an idea how to stream video to a zaurus? |
| 10:34:15 | seth | anything like vlc available? |
| 10:34:40 | Harlekin | seth: op² |
| 11:19:28 | George- | heh, some loser on battle.net picked an argument with me |
| 11:26:28 | George- | anyone here? |
| 11:28:49 | chouimat | George-: yup |
| 11:29:20 | George- | APART from you :) |
| 11:29:26 | George- | lol |
| 11:29:38 | George- | chouimat: I actually think I've found a workaround |
| 11:31:03 | chouimat | George-: good for you |
| 11:31:57 | George- | heh |
| 12:08:29 | tux_mike | http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/09/mann.htm |
| 12:22:14 | cranchy | mornin |
| 12:22:37 | bipolar | good morning |
| 12:23:10 | cranchy | anything new round these parts? |
| 12:23:11 | cranchy | :) |
| 12:23:25 | bipolar | broke his toe.... |
| 12:23:58 | cranchy | NO |
| 12:24:00 | cranchy | I'm sorry |
| 12:24:11 | cranchy | thats got to hurt like a biyotch |
| 12:24:28 | Harlekin | bipolar: how did you do that? .-) |
| 12:24:33 | bipolar | cranchy: I've had worse |
| 12:24:50 | bipolar | Harlekin: Well.... I was naked.... 'nuff said.... |
| 12:24:57 | bipolar | lol |
| 12:25:32 | bipolar | now I'm at work and I'm high on codine |
| 12:25:53 | bipolar | notices how quiet it got..... |
| 12:26:57 | bipolar | crawls back into the corner where he belongs.... |
| 12:27:38 | cranchy | haha |
| 12:27:52 | cranchy | polar...you married? |
| 12:28:04 | bipolar | cranchy: um..... yeah |
| 12:28:16 | cranchy | hehe |
| 12:28:16 | cranchy | :) |
| 12:28:18 | cranchy | just checkin :) |
| 12:31:02 | cranch | hey cutm |
| 12:32:15 | scanline | is back (gone 03:39:54) |
| 12:34:26 | cranch | http://store.yahoo.com/shentech/atirad97pro6.html |
| 12:34:30 | cranch | Damn it :) |
| 12:37:24 | bipolar | cranch: what kind of linux support for that board though |
| 12:39:18 | cranch | don't care...worse case I sell it and make money :) |
| 12:39:24 | cranch | but my friend needs a new gfx board |
| 12:39:51 | bipolar | I'm waiting for the AMD version of the ss51 to come out so I can upgrade |
| 12:40:00 | bipolar | shuttle ss51 that is |
| 12:40:09 | cranch | the little barebones ones |
| 12:40:34 | bipolar | right, with the AGP slot, USB 2.0, etc... |
| 12:40:40 | angry | helloh |
| 12:40:49 | bipolar | hi angry |
| 12:41:10 | bipolar | hmmmm.... -$12.10 availible ballance.... not good. |
| 12:42:14 | cranch | those are pimp |
| 12:42:18 | cranch | haha |
| 12:42:34 | bipolar | I want to integrate it with my entertainment systems |
| 12:42:37 | bipolar | hell yeah |
| 12:43:10 | cranch | hehe |
| 12:43:16 | cranch | my bro has an SV25 |
| 12:45:26 | mark_ | hardware Q: I have an AthlonXP 1800+ which I want to try out in an old Socket A motherboard, i'm sure the motherboard wont go up to an high enough ratio, but will the chip run okay underclocked? |
| 12:45:49 | George- | is there a way to make dialogs full screen and that can't be moved? |
| 12:45:54 | George- | ie - behave like a normal window? |
| 12:46:02 | cranch | can;t you fix them |
| 12:46:34 | cranch | wait...nevermind :) |
| 12:46:47 | cranch | I was thinking of QStatusBar |
| 12:47:35 | George- | yahooo |
| 12:47:40 | George- | I can read files into my HTML editor :) |
| 12:47:50 | George- | now just to make it so that I can write files =P |
| 12:48:57 | cranch | you made an html editor? |
| 12:49:03 | George- | erm, sorta |
| 12:49:10 | George- | I didn't make the text editor part :) |
| 12:49:12 | George- | er.. |
| 12:49:17 | George- | well, the QColorMultiLineEdit |
| 12:49:17 | George- | blah |
| 12:51:00 | George- | ho hum |
| 12:51:07 | George- | The file reading in stuff is quite slow |
| 12:51:15 | George- | actually, I'll rephrase that |
| 12:51:19 | George- | it's *very* slow |
| 12:51:19 | George- | :) |
| 12:52:05 | cranch | haha |
| 12:52:19 | George- | it takes ~2 seconds to read in a 40 line file |
| 12:52:20 | George- | *argh* |
| 12:52:24 | cranch | I am currently reading through the QT whitepages...but I don't think I'll know enough C++ to do anything |
| 12:52:28 | George- | that's unbelievably slow |
| 12:53:04 | George- | yo Harlekin |
| 12:54:43 | scanline | George-: any idea yet why it's so slow? |
| 12:54:59 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 12:55:00 | George- | scanline: Cos I wrote it |
| 12:55:06 | George- | scanline: simple answer |
| 12:55:10 | scanline | lol |
| 12:55:51 | George- | but that is pretty slow... |
| 12:55:58 | George- | ~2 seconds to read in a 40 line file |
| 12:56:02 | George- | or it might only be 20 line |
| 12:56:03 | George- | checks |
| 12:56:31 | George- | 49 lines |
| 12:58:04 | George- | if ( !f.open( IO_ReadOnly ) ) |
| 12:58:07 | George- | what does that do? |
| 13:00:19 | George- | hrmm |
| 13:00:24 | George- | It's still ridiculously slow |
| 13:01:39 | George- | yo ljp_work |
| 13:02:06 | George- | ahh, I see the problem |
| 13:02:13 | George- | it's that evil texteditor part that I'm using |
| 13:02:28 | George- | It's instant (essentially) on the QMultiLineEdit |
| 13:04:51 | tux_mike | boy, users really are a pain in the ass |
| 13:05:37 | Harlekin | tux_mike: did you do the graffity stuff for handwriting? |
| 13:05:47 | tux_mike | nope |
| 13:11:30 | prpplague | morning folkZ |
| 13:13:24 | scanline | is away: going back to bed, for more sleep |
| 13:14:10 | chouimat | re |
| 13:18:23 | imm | chouimat: did you have a productive night ? |
| 13:19:13 | tux_mike | users.... ugh. can't live with them, can't get paid without them |
| 13:19:48 | chouimat | imm: quite. the sleep was good. and my app is on paper now |
| 13:20:40 | imm | chouimat: so you do paperwork first ? |
| 13:21:36 | chouimat | imm: starting over. so I prefer to know how much class I need before coding, just a sketch but I know what to do know |
| 13:23:32 | tux_mike | i had to remove the Novell client from one of the user's computers here, and he makes a stink about me doing someting to his computer "Hey, every time you do something, I have problems for weeks" I so wanted to respond with this: "You have probelms? You do realize your problems end up becoming our problems, as the same with every other user's problems in this building. Now, take that number of problems and multiply it by ten, a |
| 13:23:37 | tux_mike | have to deal with" |
| 13:25:09 | ljp_work | tux: email him "deal with it" :) |
| 13:25:31 | prpplague | kergoth: morning dude |
| 13:25:56 | mark_ | hi kergoth |
| 13:26:09 | kergoth | mornin |
| 13:26:11 | George- | yo kergoth |
| 13:26:13 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 13:26:40 | tux_mike | ljp: i ent up saying, "I have to remove this client, if I don't you will have more severe problems" (and grumbeled "so move aside little man", in my head :) |
| 13:35:57 | George- | yay |
| 13:36:00 | George- | I speeded it up :) |
| 13:36:46 | kergoth | George-: ? |
| 13:36:54 | George- | kergoth: my html editor thing |
| 13:37:31 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 13:37:33 | George- | yo BigBoss |
| 13:39:03 | mrwoody | does anyon know how to get the title bar in a qtopia application? (where there is the x button to close the app) |
| 13:39:24 | ljp_work | get? the caption? |
| 13:39:33 | mrwoody | ? |
| 13:39:43 | kergoth | "get the title bar" <-what the heck does that mean |
| 13:39:47 | ljp_work | what do you mean by get? |
| 13:39:59 | ljp_work | get the text in the caption? |
| 13:40:03 | kergoth | ljp_work: sounds like he's using qapplication and wonders why it looks funny :-) |
| 13:40:07 | mrwoody | i wrote an application, but the bar doesn't appear |
| 13:40:14 | kergoth | mrwoody: you are using QPEApplication not QApplication right? |
| 13:40:19 | ljp_work | is it maximized? |
| 13:40:20 | mrwoody | yes |
| 13:40:33 | mrwoody | well there is no bar at all... |
| 13:40:41 | mrwoody | what do you mean maximized |
| 13:40:54 | ljp_work | showMaximized() |
| 13:40:54 | mrwoody | the geometry is 0,0,240,300 |
| 13:41:11 | kergoth | mrwoody: dont set the geometry manually. manual = bad. |
| 13:41:20 | kergoth | blah i need juice or coffee. brb |
| 13:41:26 | George- | how do I stop a QDialog from being able to be moved, and make it full screen? |
| 13:41:28 | mrwoody | ljp_work: where shall i put that? in the main.cpp? |
| 13:41:34 | George- | like the About dialog in Hancom apps? |
| 13:42:31 | mrwoody | ljp_work: ? |
| 13:43:00 | ljp_work | mrwoody, I usually put it after the setName() function: |
| 13:43:25 | mrwoody | ljp_work: ok.. now it works.. there was only show() thanks a lot |
| 13:45:13 | ljp_work | :D |
| 13:56:12 | kergoth | yawns |
| 13:56:40 | Mark | hi |
| 13:56:42 | Mark | my names mark |
| 13:56:49 | George- | what a surprise |
| 13:57:01 | imm | :) |
| 13:57:04 | Mark | Sun Microsystems just ordered 130 or so Zauruses |
| 13:57:09 | George- | did they? |
| 13:57:15 | Mark | and we have about 30 left over |
| 13:57:16 | George- | do they have any to spare? :) |
| 13:57:16 | Mark | huge success |
| 13:57:19 | Mark | ^ |
| 13:57:23 | Mark | I have questions though |
| 13:57:41 | imm | cool, do they give them away ? |
| 13:57:51 | George- | Give them to everyone in this chan =P |
| 13:57:54 | Mark | does the Zaurus supports .avi or divx movie files? |
| 13:57:58 | George- | yes |
| 13:58:02 | George- | tkcVideo |
| 13:58:03 | Mark | both? |
| 13:58:06 | George- | ask BigBoss |
| 13:58:07 | pdq | or mplayer |
| 13:58:10 | Mark | ok ok |
| 13:58:14 | Mark | about mplayer |
| 13:58:15 | George- | pdq: does MPlayer work on the Z? |
| 13:58:21 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 20 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: howdy ho [Thu Aug 15 14:37:31 2002] |
| 13:58:21 | imm | ibot seen BigBoss |
| 13:58:23 | pdq | yes, very nicely |
| 13:58:34 | Mark | I tried installing it but im unfamiliar with the zaurus, so I was reading instructions telling me to do this and this |
| 13:58:37 | Mark | and I have no idea |
| 13:58:47 | Mark | is there a way to get to a console? |
| 13:58:59 | George- | Mark: You need to install it on a 5500 |
| 13:59:08 | Mark | thats what its on |
| 13:59:09 | Mark | thats all I have |
| 13:59:12 | Mark | 30 5500s |
| 13:59:18 | Mark | 29 |
| 13:59:19 | pdq | I have it on a 5000 |
| 13:59:30 | Mark | George, do you have time to walk me through it? |
| 13:59:44 | pdq | ther's an ipk on killefiz, shoulödn't be a prob |
| 13:59:59 | Mark | yeah, I got it |
| 14:00:04 | Mark | but I install it, and no icons show up |
| 14:00:15 | Mark | is that to be expected? |
| 14:00:32 | pdq | may be, I did not use the ipk |
| 14:00:38 | alex1241551`4 | has any one tried installing mplayers gui? |
| 14:00:53 | Mark | is there a gui? |
| 14:00:54 | pdq | shut down qtopia to get a console |
| 14:01:01 | Mark | I did, it just restarts it |
| 14:01:05 | numatrix | Mark: there is one, but porting it to the zaurus would require some work. |
| 14:01:05 | pdq | or install the terminal app |
| 14:01:08 | Mark | im sorry if im ignorant |
| 14:01:25 | Mark | can you point me to the terminal app? is it on zaurus software index? |
| 14:01:28 | alex1241551`4 | Mark: yeah you would have to compile it on the z |
| 14:01:35 | numatrix | George-: yeah, it works; some guy ported it and I packaged it. |
| 14:01:53 | numatrix | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=353 |
| 14:01:55 | Mark | so could you send it my way then? |
| 14:02:07 | BigBoss | I'm here |
| 14:02:13 | BigBoss | what about tkcVideo? |
| 14:02:20 | Mark | that costs money |
| 14:02:27 | BigBoss | so? |
| 14:02:29 | pdq | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=172 |
| 14:02:39 | BigBoss | mPlayer really doesn't work particularly well - no offense to anyone |
| 14:02:51 | BigBoss | but if you think just using ffmpeg is gonna do it, you are kidding yourself |
| 14:02:59 | Mark | agreed |
| 14:03:11 | numatrix | use this console instead: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/embeddedkonsole-tabs_1.5.0-5_arm.ipk?download |
| 14:03:22 | BigBoss | there is a ton of engineering time in tkcVideo to do optimizations and other cool things |
| 14:03:36 | numatrix | That one has tabbed consoles. The ony one myzaurus doesn't. At least, it didn't when I downloaded it. |
| 14:03:41 | Mark | ok terminal app installed |
| 14:04:10 | Mark | oh, so dont use this one? |
| 14:04:11 | numatrix | BigBoss: no, you're completely correct, it doesn't work too well at all. It's definitely just for testing or playing. In fact, I usually boot to the command line to just use it since it directly writes to the framebuffer, screwing up the display in qtopia. |
| 14:04:27 | Mark | you guys are geniuses |
| 14:05:02 | Mark | how hard is it to play an avi file through the terminal? |
| 14:05:26 | numatrix | Mark: mplayer is the only command line player I know of right now. |
| 14:05:27 | pdq | mplayer file.avi |
| 14:05:46 | Mark | oh |
| 14:05:54 | Mark | bash-2.05# mplayer file.avi |
| 14:05:58 | Mark | and im set? |
| 14:05:58 | numatrix | Mark: but as I said, it will overwrite your video buffer, so when you quit the movie, you have to poke around to get the screen to refresh. |
| 14:06:01 | numatrix | Yeah. |
| 14:06:09 | Mark | thats not a problem |
| 14:06:14 | numatrix | Unless you want to use: mplayerx file.avi which disables frameskip (not recommended) |
| 14:06:23 | Harlekin | its quite easy so get it managed right |
| 14:06:42 | Mark | numa |
| 14:06:45 | numatrix | I put a really simple shell script in the ipk so you could change common settings to mplayer. |
| 14:06:54 | Mark | bash-2.05# mplayer file.avi? |
| 14:07:50 | numatrix | Mark: yeah, that'll work. Or, like I said if you want to use mplayer without frameskip turned on, bash-2.05#mplayerx file.avi |
| 14:07:57 | pdq | you may have to give the path to the avi if it's not in ~ |
| 14:08:25 | cutm_ | . |
| 14:08:59 | numatrix | Mark, you'll probably want to also follow the directions here: http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=2 |
| 14:09:07 | numatrix | If you want to set your path variables. |
| 14:09:10 | Mark | allright |
| 14:09:13 | Mark | man you guys are a lot of help |
| 14:09:24 | numatrix | I'd recommend ~not~ adding the line about PS1 though; it makes a pretty color prompt, but screws up line spacing. |
| 14:09:25 | Mark | thanks i'm going to upload an .avi and see how it runs |
| 14:09:51 | numatrix | No problem. Remember, mplayer is fun for playing, but if you actually want something more useful to play movies, you might consider tkcVideo. |
| 14:09:57 | Mark | yeah |
| 14:10:08 | Mark | Im considering buying that and strategic assault |
| 14:10:14 | Mark | thats a cool game |
| 14:10:14 | cutm_ | ehehe |
| 14:10:16 | Mark | red alert type |
| 14:10:40 | numatrix | Yup; btw, if you want to buy those programs, buy them directly from the maker instead of using myzaurus or handago. |
| 14:10:51 | Mark | allright |
| 14:10:53 | Mark | thanks |
| 14:11:02 | numatrix | No problem; it saves you and them money usually. |
| 14:11:19 | Mark | oh yeah |
| 14:11:49 | Mark | the box says 64mb standard memory, is that 32 in storage and 32 in memory? |
| 14:11:55 | numatrix | yup |
| 14:12:23 | numatrix | That's adjustable if you ever decide to move to the OpenZaurus rom. |
| 14:12:32 | Mark | oh |
| 14:12:46 | Mark | can you tell me anything about the openzaurus rom? Is it a replacement OS? |
| 14:13:06 | numatrix | It's (mostly) the same thing. It's a redone version of the sharp rom, pretty much. |
| 14:13:19 | Mark | but I can send some of the memory space to storage? |
| 14:13:22 | numatrix | Kergoth who's usually around in here does most (all?) of the work on it. |
| 14:13:35 | numatrix | Mark: usually, you want to do it the other way around. |
| 14:13:41 | Mark | oh.. |
| 14:14:00 | numatrix | Storage is cheap; just pick up an sd card and you can add more memory pretty inexpensively. |
| 14:14:08 | BigBoss | mark: www.thekompany.com/embedded for our stuff |
| 14:14:22 | Mark | oh your from the kompany? |
| 14:14:37 | numatrix | Mark: i'll give you a hint; look at his nick. ;-) |
| 14:14:41 | BigBoss | I own theKompany :) |
| 14:14:45 | numatrix | grins |
| 14:14:45 | Mark | oh |
| 14:14:49 | Mark | lol |
| 14:15:05 | Mark | I guess I came to the right place for questions then :) |
| 14:15:10 | numatrix | Mark: for strategic assault and a number of other good games, try http://www.eongames.com/ |
| 14:15:17 | Mark | yeah |
| 14:15:47 | BigBoss | can he sell direct? I didn't know he had set it up |
| 14:15:55 | Mark | 5.99 |
| 14:16:00 | Mark | for strategic assault |
| 14:16:05 | Mark | from that site, I believe |
| 14:16:15 | numatrix | BigBoss: apparently: http://eongames.com/order.html |
| 14:17:16 | BigBoss | cool - I'm glad he got it going |
| 14:17:42 | numatrix | I think he's had it for a little while. I thought I remember seeing that a few weeks ago at least. |
| 14:17:52 | cutm | neast |
| 14:17:53 | cutm | neat* |
| 14:18:00 | VerxWork | yeah, he has had it over a month now I believe |
| 14:18:02 | Mark | Sun Microsystems wants to know, can a user sync mail w/out using outlook? |
| 14:18:07 | numatrix | Mark: the openzaurus faq in cvs is here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/FAQ?rev=1.7&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 14:18:38 | VerxWork | Mark: Once TheKompany finishes their email client, you are gonna have a WORLD of mail syncing possibilities. |
| 14:18:38 | Mark | since sun is anti microsoft, we are having problems syncing our mail with our mail programs |
| 14:19:07 | VerxWork | POP, IMAP, and a few encrypted options |
| 14:19:14 | BigBoss | Mark: what is it you are using? |
| 14:19:14 | Mark | nice |
| 14:19:18 | Mark | mail program? |
| 14:19:22 | BigBoss | yes |
| 14:19:25 | angry | heh, check this deal out :) http://www.bensbargains.net/ktalk/1029422261,40307,.shtml |
| 14:19:28 | Mark | java applet off of netscape |
| 14:19:31 | VerxWork | Shawn: I hope you don't mind my chiming in on this. . . |
| 14:19:32 | Mark | hold on I can find out more |
| 14:19:39 | BigBoss | because we have to write specific sync apps for each client |
| 14:19:45 | Mark | oh |
| 14:19:49 | BigBoss | however since we have IMAP support, you might just use that |
| 14:19:53 | Mark | right |
| 14:20:02 | cutm | ... well, you'd think, being a unix box, it would be a basic file |
| 14:20:04 | erikd | is there something weird with QTime that I should know about where 0 for the hour is 1 am and 23 for the hour is 12am? |
| 14:20:11 | VerxWork | I would think that POP and IMAP would get to the Sun email server one way or another. . . |
| 14:20:20 | Mark | dtmail and netscape? |
| 14:20:23 | BigBoss | sure, but they are talking about sync |
| 14:20:33 | BigBoss | so using IMAP would be the right solution |
| 14:20:34 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 14:20:34 | cranch | ibot: zsi |
| 14:21:03 | numatrix | btw; mark if you haven't seen it, definitely look at the address above |
| 14:21:09 | Mark | I have |
| 14:21:09 | cranch | :) |
| 14:21:11 | Mark | its bookmarked :) |
| 14:21:17 | cranch | coolio |
| 14:21:20 | Mark | one of you guys run that? |
| 14:21:25 | numatrix | Killefiz does. |
| 14:21:27 | numatrix | :-) |
| 14:21:36 | Mark | oh, makes sense |
| 14:21:44 | numatrix | He's around usually. Yeah. |
| 14:22:07 | numatrix | Also, the definitive bulletin board is: http://zauruszone.com/ |
| 14:22:18 | numatrix | Though http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/ is good as well. |
| 14:23:26 | killefiz | Mark: I am |
| 14:23:38 | Mark | yeah |
| 14:23:44 | Mark | great site |
| 14:23:54 | VerxWork | anyone here coded a listview before? |
| 14:23:59 | erikd | me |
| 14:24:01 | Mark | whats the max cf or sd memory I can put in the Z? |
| 14:24:03 | numatrix | killefiz: Any idea why you are always getting blank changes for apps? |
| 14:24:15 | numatrix | Mark: 1gig CF and microdrives have been tested. |
| 14:24:31 | VerxWork | erikd: Do you have drag-n-drop enabled? Or any way to allow the user to move items around on the list? |
| 14:24:36 | VerxWork | or is yours display only? |
| 14:24:37 | erikd | nope |
| 14:24:38 | killefiz | numatrix: yes - people click on edit app and don't change anything - basically lazyness by me not preventing non-changed apps in the database |
| 14:24:41 | VerxWork | k |
| 14:24:41 | erikd | display only |
| 14:24:49 | VerxWork | I could do that in my sleep now I think |
| 14:24:54 | Mark | 1 gig?!?! |
| 14:24:59 | erikd | yeah :) |
| 14:25:01 | VerxWork | I gotta do a bit more fancy stuff now |
| 14:25:01 | numatrix | killefiz: no harm then, I was just curious. |
| 14:25:03 | Mark | christ |
| 14:25:03 | VerxWork | :( |
| 14:25:24 | Mark | so then, is there any specific type or brand? I here a lot about FAT memory. |
| 14:25:24 | Mark | .. |
| 14:25:29 | numatrix | anybody remember the address for the memory card comparison site? |
| 14:25:36 | killefiz | has anyone noticed the banner ads that show up when the site is visited with msie? |
| 14:25:44 | numatrix | Mark: FAT is the file format you put on the card irregardless of the manufacture of the card. |
| 14:25:46 | VerxWork | killefiz: THEY ROCK! |
| 14:26:04 | VerxWork | I have showed several friends |
| 14:26:05 | VerxWork | :) |
| 14:26:14 | killefiz | Spencer Huang of sharp told me that they would have to remove all links to the zsi should I not remove the ads |
| 14:26:24 | VerxWork | oh man |
| 14:26:26 | VerxWork | that sucks |
| 14:26:27 | VerxWork | :( |
| 14:26:29 | cranch | I've seedn the killefiz |
| 14:26:34 | numatrix | killefiz: where are they linking to it from anyway? |
| 14:26:39 | VerxWork | howdy rikkus |
| 14:26:42 | rikkus | hi |
| 14:26:51 | killefiz | numatrix: debian, windowmaker, lesbian linux ;) |
| 14:26:54 | rikkus | now, why didn't anyone tell me that CF is 'prone to corruption' ? :| |
| 14:27:16 | numatrix | killefiz: No, I mean, where is sharp linking to ZSI from? |
| 14:27:36 | erikd | rikkus: it is? |
| 14:27:48 | killefiz | numatrix: oh - the japanese development site and zauruszone.com - but zauruszone is not really officially sharp |
| 14:27:59 | Mark | File not Found: 'simpsons3.avi' |
| 14:28:02 | rikkus | erikd: yep |
| 14:28:08 | numatrix | killefiz: so would they remove the links from zauruszone still? That's a load of crap. |
| 14:28:08 | erikd | bleh |
| 14:28:10 | rikkus | erikd: I read the jffs2 mailing list |
| 14:28:14 | Mark | numa |
| 14:28:24 | rikkus | erikd: now I know why it keeps getting corrupted :( |
| 14:28:26 | erikd | maybe i shouldn't get that cf camera i was thinking of getting then |
| 14:28:29 | Mark | I put it in the 'documents' section, do I have to point to it for mplayer? |
| 14:29:05 | pdq | Mark: yes, because mplayer doesn't know anything about "Documents" |
| 14:29:06 | numatrix | yeah, one sec. |
| 14:29:12 | Mark | allright |
| 14:29:17 | killefiz | numatrix: not sure - i think zzone is run by jason privately |
| 14:29:42 | killefiz | i don't really care - if they wan't the lesbian linux ads to go away they can always buy real banner ads on the page |
| 14:29:47 | pdq | what's the option to supress the etxt out put of maplyer? I forgot. |
| 14:29:54 | pdq | text |
| 14:29:55 | numatrix | killefiz: I thought so too. Any reason why you only started with ie? |
| 14:29:58 | erikd | hmmm |
| 14:30:16 | erikd | needs to find an msie browser so he can see lesbian linux ads |
| 14:30:54 | Mark | numa |
| 14:30:56 | numatrix | killefiz: and Tiger UNIX apparently too. |
| 14:31:01 | numatrix | Mark: you get that private message? |
| 14:31:07 | Mark | no |
| 14:31:10 | Mark | oh yeah |
| 14:31:17 | killefiz | numatrix: 1st) i hate ie 2nd) i wanted to try the regexp feature of phpads and 3rd) it's only unix advertisments - targetted for windows users ;) |
| 14:31:31 | numatrix | smiles. |
| 14:31:34 | killefiz | erikd: go to http://apt-get.mine.nu |
| 14:31:36 | numatrix | Good irony. |
| 14:31:59 | erikd | ah |
| 14:32:12 | killefiz | i stole the ads there - there is also an ad for openprojects.net but I left that out |
| 14:32:47 | warmi | hi |
| 14:32:55 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 14:33:22 | tux_mike | warmi: i got a graphics question for you |
| 14:33:22 | kybu | warmi |
| 14:33:32 | erikd | so nobody knows why QTime is being weird ? :) |
| 14:33:41 | rikkus | erikd: in what way? |
| 14:33:43 | warmi | sure |
| 14:33:55 | erikd | is there something weird with QTime that I should know about where 0 for the hour is 1 am and 23 for the hour is 12am? |
| 14:33:57 | erikd | that |
| 14:34:16 | erikd | and i can't get it to say 12PM for the life of me |
| 14:34:19 | erikd | it's always 12AM |
| 14:34:31 | tux_mike | warmi: ok, first off, double buffering is first drawing the image to be diplayed in ram, then out to the display device, right? |
| 14:34:46 | warmi | yeah |
| 14:35:47 | tux_mike | ok, now, when i want to move something on screen, i just overwrite that area wiht the image |
| 14:35:56 | tux_mike | with a DrawPixmap |
| 14:36:50 | warmi | well, yeah .. the idea here is to avoid multiple writes to the screen |
| 14:37:14 | warmi | because that creates flicker |
| 14:37:27 | rikkus | erikd: hmm, that sounds very wrong :) |
| 14:37:30 | tux_mike | now, what do you do for the drawing in memory, as far as QT is concerned |
| 14:37:39 | erikd | rikkus: that's what i'm thinking :) |
| 14:37:55 | warmi | same thing as you do for writing on the screen .. you just supply QPainter with QPixmap arg instead of QWidget |
| 14:38:06 | tux_mike | ok |
| 14:39:04 | imm | rikkus: is there a way to dubble buffer this: |
| 14:39:05 | imm | heart->convertFromImage(img); |
| 14:39:05 | imm | RadarPixmapLabel->setPixmap( *heart ); |
| 14:39:17 | rikkus | imm: yes |
| 14:39:20 | erikd | i just did the toString() on QTime and it shows fine so i guess it's not that =/ |
| 14:39:26 | erikd | goes back to debugging |
| 14:39:47 | imm | rikkus: what to do then ? |
| 14:40:08 | cranch | I wish I knew more C++ |
| 14:40:10 | rikkus | imm: see warmi's response |
| 14:40:16 | tux_mike | now, lemme see here (i'm gonna pull this out of my head with no docs or refs, so correct anything that's gonna destroy the universe) but i will make QPixmap memorySurface; QPainter memoryPainter(memorySurface); QPainter actualDisplay(this); ? |
| 14:40:19 | cranch | had a semester of it in College and didn't learn much :) |
| 14:41:23 | imm | rikkus: but i have a QImage which is in memory allredy ? |
| 14:41:27 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah ... something like that |
| 14:41:54 | tux_mike | ok |
| 14:41:59 | warmi | you can resuse QPainter with painter.begin(memory) painter.end() and painter.begin(display) |
| 14:42:05 | warmi | reuse even |
| 14:42:33 | imm | rikkus: so qt should update the PixmapLabel only when i do ->setPixmap ? |
| 14:42:37 | tux_mike | hrmmm |
| 14:42:38 | tux_mike | ok |
| 14:42:42 | tux_mike | i'll look at that |
| 14:42:47 | erikd | cranch: college courses aren't all they're cracked up to be. my college doesn't even have C/C++ courses so i was forced to teach myself |
| 14:42:52 | rikkus | imm: when you do setPixmap, it doesn't display the pixmap until you let the event loop run |
| 14:42:58 | tux_mike | is now using 4 computers at once x.x |
| 14:43:10 | erikd | at least not programming ones |
| 14:43:20 | rikkus | imm: you probably want to write your own simple widget which stores a QPixmap, which you set, and when you want to show it quickly, you do bitblt |
| 14:44:10 | rikkus | bbl |
| 14:44:38 | chouimat|work | anyone know if openssl if available on the zaurus? |
| 14:44:50 | tux_mike | damnit i want a burger for lunch |
| 14:44:58 | numatrix | chouimat|work: yes |
| 14:45:13 | chouimat|work | numatrix: standard? or add on? |
| 14:45:18 | numatrix | add one |
| 14:45:20 | numatrix | on |
| 14:45:38 | cranch | chouimat|work Its in the Openz feed |
| 14:45:42 | numatrix | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/libssl0.9.6_0.9.6e-1_arm.ipk |
| 14:45:44 | numatrix | :-) |
| 14:46:21 | cranch | erikd: I'm reading the whitepages on QT right now |
| 14:46:35 | cranch | too bad some of this stuff doesn't make sense :) |
| 14:46:51 | erikd | cranch: like what? i'll try to help if i can :) |
| 14:48:39 | cranch | oh...hehe..not that far yet... |
| 14:48:55 | cranch | but thanks for the offer, and I'm sure I'll take you up on it :) |
| 14:49:13 | exs | kismet bitches "Failed to set up UI server: TcpServer gethostbyname() failed: No such file or directory" |
| 14:49:22 | exs | what file might it be looking for? |
| 14:50:56 | Tenchi | i wonder if network staff can assist me in blocking these stupid wrothless network wide messages |
| 14:51:20 | numatrix | exs: do you have localhost defined in your /etc/hosts file? |
| 14:51:25 | numatrix | Have you changed your local hostname? |
| 14:51:46 | cranch | it usually tries to connect to localhost:2020 or something like that |
| 14:51:58 | cranch | http://store.yahoo.com/shentech/atirad97pro6.html |
| 14:52:05 | cranch | anyone think I'm going to get screwed on that deal :) |
| 14:52:06 | cranch | haha |
| 14:53:18 | mark_ | Mark: you're on my nick :) |
| 14:53:24 | cranch | fight |
| 14:53:24 | cranch | fight |
| 14:53:28 | cranch | hehe |
| 14:53:36 | Mark | oh sorry |
| 14:53:38 | mark_ | cranch: Nickserv rules :0 |
| 14:54:09 | uncon | cranch, where did you find that price? |
| 14:54:44 | mark_ | Mark: can u, uhm, move to an other one? :) |
| 14:55:12 | cranch | It was on anand |
| 14:55:22 | uncon | oh... |
| 14:55:28 | cranch | uncon: the question is whether its a real 9700 |
| 14:55:28 | cranch | :) |
| 14:55:41 | uncon | well, too late now |
| 14:55:59 | cranch | whys that |
| 14:56:04 | cranch | cause its out of stock? |
| 14:56:08 | uncon | what's the diff between a 9000 Pro and a 9700 |
| 14:56:09 | uncon | yes |
| 14:56:20 | cranch | I bought one before it was out |
| 14:56:23 | cranch | the 9700 is the new graphics chip |
| 14:56:27 | cranch | with AGP 8x |
| 14:56:33 | cranch | and faster ddr ram, etc stuff |
| 14:56:43 | uncon | hrmph |
| 14:56:47 | cranch | its the top dog in gfx cards right now :) |
| 14:57:14 | uncon | i don't understand pricewatch descirions then |
| 14:57:42 | uncon | they don't have an 9700's with less than 128mb |
| 14:57:49 | uncon | have/list |
| 14:57:53 | erikd | in a printf format how do i tell an int to always be 2 digits and have a leading 0 if it's 1 digit? |
| 14:58:17 | uncon | heh |
| 14:58:30 | numatrix | Hmm, now I gotta find out what nick he'll be using in the future to continue our conversation. ;-) |
| 14:58:34 | erikd | or sprintf format, whatever you prefer :) |
| 14:58:47 | mark | numatrix: just look out for the aol user :) |
| 14:59:04 | cranch | I was thinking that uncon |
| 14:59:15 | numatrix | :-) |
| 14:59:51 | erikd | ewwwww. old version |
| 15:00:08 | erikd | 0.5 is > *^10 |
| 15:00:09 | whardier | stinky |
| 15:01:00 | uncon | wow, 2048x1536 |
| 15:01:07 | uncon | now, that's a nice resolution |
| 15:01:19 | cranch | hehe |
| 15:01:22 | cranch | 1600x1200 is nice |
| 15:01:24 | cranch | but thats HUGE :) |
| 15:01:33 | uncon | it's 60Hz too... |
| 15:01:35 | erikd | HUGE? |
| 15:01:41 | uncon | 1920x1440 is at 75Hz |
| 15:01:47 | erikd | i like 16x12 :) |
| 15:01:56 | uncon | i always use 1600x1200 |
| 15:02:17 | uncon | i need > 60Hz for anything over 320x200 |
| 15:03:43 | erikd | yeah, that's why it's bad that the monitor on my other box can only do 1024x768 @ 60Hz |
| 15:03:45 | Jerakeen | I can't use anything less than 75 without instant migrane |
| 15:05:02 | cranch | well I do too :) |
| 15:05:10 | tux_mike | I can't use anything less than 48Hz |
| 15:05:11 | cranch | has LCD's |
| 15:05:14 | tux_mike | :) |
| 15:05:19 | cranch | or as my Gf called it an LSD monitor |
| 15:05:20 | cranch | sorry |
| 15:05:25 | cranch | not called that :) |
| 15:05:34 | uncon | haha |
| 15:05:38 | tux_mike | i can use 56i in fact. it annoys me, but that's about it. i don't get headaches from it |
| 15:05:45 | erikd | warmi: you should upgrade your cgiirc, 0.5 is much better than the older versions |
| 15:05:58 | erikd | http://cgiirc.erikd.org if you want to see .5 |
| 15:06:37 | warmi | erikd: yeah ... I know .. I am going to reinstall my entire Linux server from scratch in the next coupleo f weeks |
| 15:06:57 | erikd | ah |
| 15:07:13 | warmi | o yeah .. it looks much better |
| 15:07:24 | warmi | almost like a standalone IRC client |
| 15:07:36 | erikd | yup, multiple channels and everything |
| 15:07:42 | warmi | cool |
| 15:07:56 | warmi | the version I am using is quite shaky |
| 15:08:04 | warmi | privmsg are not working reliably |
| 15:08:20 | erikd | ah |
| 15:08:39 | erikd | i used that one for a little while then they released .5. sooo much better :) |
| 15:09:05 | warmi | well, I will have to upgrade once I get around fixing my server |
| 15:09:12 | Jerakeen | erikd: printf("%02d", int); |
| 15:09:28 | erikd | jerakeen: cool, thanks |
| 15:09:32 | warmi | btw ... my current Linux box has "aging Windows disease" |
| 15:09:49 | erikd | been installed too long and getting cluttered/slow? |
| 15:09:53 | warmi | meaning as the time passes, stuff stops working |
| 15:10:04 | warmi | recently telnet client stopped working |
| 15:10:06 | cranch | Anyone need a laugh? http://forums.augie.edu/~cranch/virus.htm |
| 15:10:20 | warmi | it segfaults every time I run it ... same for tail command .. have no clue why :-) |
| 15:10:23 | Jerakeen | warmi: That's a good thing. |
| 15:11:05 | warmi | Jerakeen: what's a good thing ? |
| 15:11:08 | warmi | heh |
| 15:11:12 | tux_mike | jera: not if you use it over a trusted network |
| 15:11:15 | Jerakeen | warmi: telnet not working. :-) |
| 15:11:35 | Jerakeen | tux_mike: Bah. Heard that too often. What is a trusted network? I haven't seen a trusted network in 5 years. |
| 15:11:43 | exs | I added 'zaurus' to my /etc/hosts |
| 15:11:46 | exs | its saying file not found |
| 15:11:48 | cranch | a trusted network is no network |
| 15:11:50 | warmi | Jerakeen: well, I don't really care :-) .. you can root my box .. I don't have anything there that I cannot replace :-) |
| 15:12:03 | Novak | numa |
| 15:12:34 | tux_mike | my internal home network is a trusted network |
| 15:12:37 | warmi | Jerakeen: btw .. my corporate firewall will not ssh port out ... it allows only telnet |
| 15:12:42 | exs | so I don't think it is the hostname that is causing the issue |
| 15:12:46 | exs | its looking for some file |
| 15:12:47 | warmi | which means I would have to install ssh on telnet port etc.. |
| 15:12:49 | exs | maybe I'm wrong |
| 15:13:02 | tux_mike | warmi: is entirely possible |
| 15:13:18 | warmi | tux_mike: but then I would have to install telnet on another port for local acces |
| 15:13:28 | warmi | I don't have ssh clients on my Windows boxes at home |
| 15:13:32 | chouimat|work | imm: doing a nessus scan via telnet |
| 15:13:36 | exs | kismet bitches "Failed to set up UI server: TcpServer gethostbyname() failed: No such file or directory" |
| 15:13:55 | tux_mike | warmi: you could do that, or have it bind to different ports on diferent interfaces |
| 15:14:01 | exs | my /etc/hosts looks like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost zaurus |
| 15:14:04 | tux_mike | brb |
| 15:14:13 | exs | my /etc/hostname is zaurus |
| 15:14:18 | exs | hostname responds with zaurus |
| 15:14:58 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah .. or just continue using telnet :-) |
| 15:15:09 | exs | anyone? |
| 15:15:14 | exs | this is on openzaurus |
| 15:15:14 | numatrix | exs: bummer; I had the same problem with kismet and it was due to the fact that I had changed the hostname and kismet couldn't resolve the localhost name to an ip when it tried to connect to the server. |
| 15:15:34 | exs | the server is failing to startup it seems |
| 15:15:38 | numatrix | try pinging localhost and zaurus just for kicks and make sure they resolve correctly to the loopback interface. |
| 15:15:45 | exs | "failed to set up ui server' |
| 15:15:56 | numatrix | exs: there was a thread in the kismet boards on this a while back. Let me check... |
| 15:19:42 | numatrix | exs: found the thread, but no good news: http://www.kismetwireless.net/Forum/General/Messages/1024588022.626549 |
| 15:19:53 | XavierXeon | kergoth: i did not found a bash ipk in the oz feed |
| 15:19:56 | numatrix | exs: Check with XavierXeon and see if he ever fixed it, he's here now. |
| 15:20:00 | numatrix | There as a matter of fact. :-) |
| 15:20:52 | kergoth | exs: default hostname in OZ is zaurus. add 'zaurus' to /etc/hosts on the localhost line |
| 15:21:06 | kergoth | XavierXeon: okay, I'll throw it up then |
| 15:21:29 | Novak | so technically I could type.. mplayer /home/root/Documents/video/x-msvideo/simpsons4.avi |
| 15:21:46 | numatrix | yup |
| 15:21:58 | XavierXeon | is benmeyer still at LWE ? |
| 15:22:12 | numatrix | kergoth: It looked like he did that: <exs> my /etc/hosts looks like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost zaurus |
| 15:22:36 | kergoth | exs: run 'hostname' at the prompt. then try pinging the name it returns. |
| 15:22:45 | kergoth | exs: if that fails, kismet will not function. |
| 15:23:13 | XavierXeon | it should be "127.0.0.1 zaurus" |
| 15:23:20 | Novak | BigBoss, if I ordered tkcVideo today, how soon would I get it? |
| 15:23:24 | Novak | anyone else know that has ordered it? |
| 15:23:38 | kergoth | XavierXeon: read the man page. |
| 15:23:46 | kergoth | XavierXeon: format: "IP_address canonical_hostname aliases" |
| 15:23:57 | kergoth | XavierXeon: zaurus is a perfectly valid alias for localhost. |
| 15:24:05 | XavierXeon | kergoth: thats how i got it to work |
| 15:24:20 | kergoth | well it works fine on mine with it as an alias. |
| 15:24:22 | kergoth | oddly enough |
| 15:24:23 | warmi | Novak: don't they let you download the code right after your CC transation goes thru ? |
| 15:24:43 | Novak | I don't know |
| 15:24:47 | Novak | Im asking you guys |
| 15:25:04 | XavierXeon | Novak: you should be able to download it now |
| 15:25:42 | XavierXeon | correction, it was "<ip of wlan> zaurus" |
| 15:26:36 | kergoth | XavierXeon: uh, thatd be pretty stupid |
| 15:27:03 | numatrix | XavierXeon: really? Interesting; I never had to do that with the sharp rom for the zaurus, just used the loopback address. Are you sure it requires the wlan address? It shouldn't even use that for the sniffing, I think it uses the loopback for the client/server achitecture. |
| 15:27:06 | kergoth | I think kismet connects to localhost regardless, but requires that 'zaurus' be resolvable. |
| 15:27:08 | kergoth | I suspect the ip it resolves to is irrelevant. |
| 15:27:10 | numatrix | kergoth: Or you could just say it that way. ;-) |
| 15:27:14 | kergoth | hehe. |
| 15:29:02 | XavierXeon | my /etc/host has 3 entries : 127.0.0.1 localhost, 192.168.0.3 zaurus and 192.168.0.2 pc. before o put in the zaurus line i did the cannot connect to localhost error from kismet |
| 15:29:31 | XavierXeon | man that was a real rubbish sentence :) |
| 15:29:35 | numatrix | that is strange... Doesn't seem right, but if it works... |
| 15:29:36 | kergoth | XavierXeon: you're not listening. |
| 15:29:46 | kergoth | XavierXeon: the ip that zaurus resolves to is *irrelevant* |
| 15:29:54 | kergoth | XavierXeon: as long as it can be resolved. |
| 15:30:23 | numatrix | sees the light. |
| 15:31:37 | kergoth | still wonders why kismet gives a shit about the system's hostname being resolvable. the connection from the system's 'hostname' to the hostname to which its ip resolves is weak at best. |
| 15:32:27 | XavierXeon | kergoth: that may be. i am just telling you what i did to make it work for me. |
| 15:32:47 | kergoth | k |
| 15:34:36 | XavierXeon | is melting. too hot here |
| 15:35:21 | kergoth | XavierXeon: bash is in the OZ feed now. |
| 15:35:28 | XavierXeon | kergoth: thx |
| 15:36:16 | kergoth | np |
| 15:36:30 | kergoth | it doesnt include the /etc/skel/ bashrc and profile yet |
| 15:36:37 | kergoth | very basic package, only includes /bin/bash :-) |
| 15:37:52 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 15:38:17 | kergoth | tux_mike: probs? |
| 15:39:06 | warmi | man .. supposedly Sharp is selling 5500s for $299 at LinuxWorldExpo |
| 15:39:33 | mark | warmi: yeh, probably realised they can't sell t hem anywhere else |
| 15:39:58 | cutm | it's amazing what a little black outline will do for your (programmer)art :-) |
| 15:40:19 | warmi | I venture to say that they managed to sell around 40 000 units altogether |
| 15:40:37 | erikd | so, who wants to get me a 5500? :) |
| 15:40:58 | cutm | well I figure that there are a lot of Linux buffs at the LWE so they want to hook them on it so they are selling it for a cheaper price |
| 15:41:00 | warmi | if they stick with it ... there is a chance that one or two models down the line it will catch up big time |
| 15:41:18 | mark | warmi: that many? |
| 15:41:24 | warmi | erikd: don't be too greedy man .. you are already getting 5000d |
| 15:41:30 | Novak | anyone here english? |
| 15:41:31 | erikd | true |
| 15:41:36 | warmi | mark: they sold 20 K during by the end of May |
| 15:41:46 | mark | Novak: yes |
| 15:41:50 | cutm | I want 5000$ |
| 15:41:53 | BigBoss | yea, they should be up to about 40k units by now |
| 15:41:58 | Novak | erikd, how would someone get you a 5500? |
| 15:42:03 | cutm | :-\ |
| 15:42:05 | BigBoss | I wonder how many they brought to the show to sell |
| 15:42:14 | erikd | novak: from linuxworld? |
| 15:42:16 | BigBoss | they could probably push thousands if they can process them fast enough |
| 15:42:26 | Novak | bigboss, how quickly would I receive tkcvideo after buying it, could they download it right then? |
| 15:42:27 | mark | warmi, BigBoss: okay. |
| 15:42:30 | warmi | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3828881060.html |
| 15:42:38 | Novak | they = i |
| 15:42:41 | BigBoss | Novak: yes, you would download immediately |
| 15:42:45 | Novak | allright |
| 15:42:47 | cutm | yeah, that's how it works. |
| 15:42:48 | mark | warmi: thats in how many months? |
| 15:42:50 | Novak | after payment of... cc? |
| 15:42:59 | BigBoss | yes, as soon as the transaction finishes |
| 15:43:04 | Novak | allright |
| 15:43:16 | warmi | mark: 20 K in 2.5 months |
| 15:43:28 | BigBoss | 1,000 units left at the show |
| 15:43:32 | BigBoss | I wonder what they started with |
| 15:44:01 | cutm | yeah, that'd be interesting to know |
| 15:44:07 | warmi | hp sold 200 000 ipaqs in about 4 months |
| 15:44:19 | warmi | I saw that number somewhere on the web |
| 15:44:28 | BigBoss | more history and name and promotion |
| 15:44:42 | BigBoss | sharp projected 1,000,000 in 18 months originally |
| 15:44:50 | warmi | you got to be kidding me |
| 15:44:56 | BigBoss | their current ad in PC Magazine kind of sucks |
| 15:45:04 | BigBoss | big old picture of one of the ugly default applications |
| 15:45:15 | warmi | BigBoss: the one with that guy on the beach ? |
| 15:45:20 | kergoth | sharp really dropped the ball on this. I havent seen jack for promotion. |
| 15:45:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:45:26 | mark | fat chance of getting to that number... |
| 15:45:38 | warmi | kergoth: I have seen some adds in Fortune magazine |
| 15:45:42 | [DrEvil] | waits whilst his computer updates |
| 15:46:01 | warmi | but , frankly, WSJ review hurt them bad |
| 15:46:12 | warmi | especially among corporate CTOs etc |
| 15:46:23 | kergoth | warmi: yes I know.. but where are the displays in the stores? Why havent I seen Sharp reps onsite at best buy, comp, fry's giving away infromation and merchandise to sales reps? etc.. |
| 15:46:49 | warmi | kergoth: yeah .. of course, |
| 15:46:58 | BigBoss | they were at bestbuy, that is how the decided to pull out |
| 15:47:04 | BigBoss | the bestbuy reps were dissing the device |
| 15:47:05 | warmi | on the other hand I think they treat 5500 more like a market probe |
| 15:47:26 | prpplague | BigBoss: ya i had lots of problems with the reps at "WorstBuy" |
| 15:47:27 | BigBoss | it is to a certain degree |
| 15:47:31 | [DrEvil] | the 5500 is a development device for the future platform |
| 15:47:35 | BigBoss | and I think the 5600 is going to be an interim unit as well |
| 15:47:39 | warmi | BigBoss: any reason for that ? |
| 15:47:41 | BigBoss | the 5700 will likely be the kick ass one |
| 15:47:51 | kergoth | warmi: yes, thats how it seems. |
| 15:47:53 | tux_mike | bb: that's because best buy reps are dipsh*ts |
| 15:48:00 | kergoth | warmi: But they need to be *far* more aggressive. |
| 15:48:01 | mark | BigBoss: lets hope... |
| 15:48:12 | prpplague | i thought the 5600 and 5700 were still vaporware..... |
| 15:48:16 | BigBoss | yes they need to be far more agressive |
| 15:48:20 | warmi | BigBoss: did they give you any particular reason for dissing the device /> |
| 15:48:22 | warmi | ? |
| 15:48:23 | BigBoss | but there have been positive reviews in places |
| 15:48:26 | mark | and sync software needs to be better imo |
| 15:48:38 | mark | too ma ny bad reports |
| 15:48:38 | warmi | prpplague: they are .. at least at this point they are |
| 15:48:38 | BigBoss | warmi: no, they just didn't get it. It's bunch of pimple faced teenagers |
| 15:48:52 | Novak | anyone have any hunches why I wouldn't be getting sound with an avi on mplayer? |
| 15:48:53 | BigBoss | the sync software is pretty much solid now I think |
| 15:49:03 | BigBoss | because you need tkcVideo :) |
| 15:49:08 | warmi | haha |
| 15:49:17 | BigBoss | it's a marketing tactic |
| 15:49:25 | warmi | BigBoss: and you think you wasted to many years being a programmer |
| 15:49:39 | mark | and there still isn't enough software out there. |
| 15:49:52 | BigBoss | mark: were working as fast as we can :) |
| 15:49:56 | kergoth | ah well, I have high hopes for the next one |
| 15:49:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:49:58 | warmi | mark: well, it is not bad |
| 15:50:09 | warmi | kergoth: I have hopes there will be next one |
| 15:50:13 | warmi | :-) |
| 15:50:26 | mark | warmi: no, its better t han I thought it would be, and hopefully with the latest contest they'll be more... |
| 15:50:30 | BigBoss | we will likely top out at about 25 apps though |
| 15:50:33 | erikd | bigboss: pfft, nothing wrong with pimple faced teenagers :) |
| 15:50:50 | BigBoss | only if they are stupid and selling computers at bestbuy :) |
| 15:50:53 | erikd | wait a month and i won't care, though ;) |
| 15:51:01 | BigBoss | I listen to them talking to people and I just cringe |
| 15:51:02 | cutm | yeah, the ignorant ones are bad ;-) |
| 15:51:02 | warmi | mark: they had these outrageous claims of 10 000 apps being available for the Zaurus etc .. |
| 15:51:13 | BigBoss | I go up to some people afterwards and correct them |
| 15:51:17 | warmi | pure nonsense .. just like projected sales of 1 000 000 units in 18 months |
| 15:51:21 | erikd | i love talking to the computer people in best buy |
| 15:51:26 | BigBoss | warmi: sharp was saying there were 10,000 apps available? |
| 15:51:29 | mark | warmi: i know, that was ridiculous, that was about 4 months before launch too i think |
| 15:51:32 | BigBoss | erikd: because it is funny? |
| 15:51:38 | erikd | yeah |
| 15:51:40 | mark | BigBoss: they said there would be |
| 15:51:46 | BigBoss | oh, they were counting Java apps probably |
| 15:51:47 | erikd | and they think they're right, too |
| 15:51:58 | warmi | BigBoss: I read an interview with sharp dude who claimd that , because they are using well known OS (Linux) they expect to have 10 000 apps |
| 15:52:09 | BigBoss | hahahahahahaha |
| 15:52:12 | cutm | *clears throat* WHEN WILL AOL BE AVAILABLE FOR ZAURUS. *cough* |
| 15:52:14 | BigBoss | yea, just move the code and it works |
| 15:52:14 | Novak | tkcvideo will play flawlessly no doubt? |
| 15:52:15 | warmi | something like that ... couple of months ago , before the official launch |
| 15:52:17 | Novak | on any .avi? |
| 15:52:49 | cutm | heh |
| 15:52:49 | BigBoss | Novak: tkcVideo works very well, but you might need to adjust the video content so that it will fit properly on the device |
| 15:52:57 | Novak | right |
| 15:53:15 | mark | warmi: if you count all the command line tools that you can recompile.... :) |
| 15:53:15 | Novak | how much is tkcvideo? |
| 15:53:34 | erikd | w00t! all that's left now is graphing and i have my z! woohoo! |
| 15:53:44 | cutm | ... ? |
| 15:53:45 | mark | erikd: what you making? |
| 15:53:59 | mark | there aren't even that many KDE apps out there for porting |
| 15:54:09 | Novak | anyone here know where the mplayer FAQ is? |
| 15:54:10 | erikd | a program that stores and graphs values |
| 15:54:13 | Novak | or the mplayer site? |
| 15:54:17 | erikd | http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/ |
| 15:54:21 | erikd | under projects |
| 15:54:22 | warmi | mark: actually there are quite a few .. but ,even qt based apps are not that easy to port |
| 15:54:52 | warmi | most of these apps are not usable on 320x240 |
| 15:55:15 | erikd | that's why you use the term "port" loosly |
| 15:55:17 | mark | yeh, porting to qt/e is a pita |
| 15:55:21 | warmi | just look at Korganizer |
| 15:55:24 | erikd | loosely |
| 15:55:29 | BigBoss | Novak: $19.95 |
| 15:55:38 | BigBoss | the more you buy, the cheaper it is as we have a scaling discount |
| 15:56:00 | George- | does the email light actually serve any purpose to do with email? |
| 15:56:06 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 15:56:10 | mark | George-: yes, it flashes. |
| 15:56:13 | VerxWork | anyone here familiar with the code in tabmanager? |
| 15:56:15 | warmi | Novak: yeah .. when you buy 10 tckVideos .. the last one will be for free :-) |
| 15:56:19 | BigBoss | we use it in some of our apps for notices |
| 15:56:28 | warmi | Novak: j/k |
| 15:56:31 | George- | BigBoss: heh |
| 15:56:49 | mark | BigBoss: you got any more games planned? |
| 15:56:52 | BigBoss | warmi: well if you were to get 10, then you'd get a 30% discount, so you would save $60 so that would be 3 of them for free |
| 15:56:58 | whardier | Debbie does PDA's |
| 15:57:02 | cutm | now to get 'start course' working. ;-) |
| 15:57:06 | BigBoss | mark: we have one done right now, just testing it, it's kind of a puzzle game |
| 15:57:17 | BigBoss | there is another one almost done as well |
| 15:57:18 | BigBoss | and a few on the design board |
| 15:57:18 | Novak | where is TheKompany based? |
| 15:57:28 | mark | BigBoss: ok, i see. |
| 15:57:29 | XavierXeon | likes puzzle games |
| 15:57:32 | cutm | BigBoss: what sort of games are you looking at making? |
| 15:57:36 | BigBoss | Novak: southern california |
| 15:57:40 | mark | its a shame PPC devels are so reluctant to have their software ported |
| 15:57:47 | BigBoss | cutm: I don't pre-announce stuff if I can avoid it |
| 15:57:52 | warmi | mark: it is not easy |
| 15:57:57 | cutm | BigBoss: oh, ok. |
| 15:57:59 | BigBoss | it's usually only pre-announced because someone asks if we are doing something |
| 15:58:05 | warmi | I am porting Puzz-le to PPC now and it is a pain in the butt |
| 15:58:19 | Novak | I love Led Zeppelin |
| 15:58:21 | mark | warmi: oh, that'll ro ck. |
| 15:58:24 | XavierXeon | warmi: do you have to use the wince sdk ? |
| 15:58:31 | George- | the wince SDK is free, |
| 15:58:35 | mark | warmi: and should sell v well |
| 15:58:39 | Novak | im going to put Zeppelin music videos on my zauruses |
| 15:58:41 | warmi | XavierXeon: yeah ... but it is free, including compiler |
| 15:58:47 | warmi | everything is free for PPC development |
| 15:58:56 | George- | they're trying to kill off Palm |
| 15:59:00 | warmi | no wonder people don't rush to buy Trolls Qtopia SDK |
| 15:59:02 | XavierXeon | warmi: i know. is like the mfc ? |
| 15:59:07 | warmi | George-: precisely |
| 15:59:21 | cutm | warmi: yeah, no doubt |
| 15:59:22 | warmi | XavierXeon: it is either MFC or Win32 APi with some minor changes |
| 15:59:33 | XavierXeon | *shudder* |
| 16:00:05 | warmi | well, I will tell you .. I have been spoiled by Qt |
| 16:00:13 | warmi | it is a pain to even look at MFC code |
| 16:00:41 | XavierXeon | doing something ike event handling with the mfc is a real pain |
| 16:01:13 | George- | yo rikkus |
| 16:01:14 | XavierXeon | rikkus: thanks for the distcc ipk ! |
| 16:01:30 | rikkus | XavierXeon: np :) |
| 16:01:48 | BigBoss | oh my god, you have distcc running on the Z? |
| 16:01:59 | rikkus | BigBoss: yes |
| 16:02:05 | numatrix | BigBoss: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=387 |
| 16:02:07 | mark | warmi: you gonna release it for win 2k/xp too? |
| 16:02:11 | [DrEvil] | that was BigBoss using his valley girl accent |
| 16:02:50 | numatrix | rikkus: How much space should I have set up for the dev on the zaurus if I want to use distcc? |
| 16:03:49 | rikkus | numatrix: well, I use a cramfs image called dev_img-1.3 which I think is on ZSI |
| 16:04:08 | rikkus | numatrix: that's 16M. You just mount it loopback |
| 16:04:30 | rikkus | numatrix: distcc itself is tiny |
| 16:08:15 | numatrix | btw; what does everyone recommend for formatting of an SD card? It's ext3 right now (unjournaled). |
| 16:09:51 | [DrEvil] | format your sd card with ntfs |
| 16:10:54 | XavierXeon | cant find mkfs.ntfs |
| 16:11:13 | [DrEvil] | format it on an NT box |
| 16:11:18 | rikkus | heh |
| 16:11:26 | rikkus | doesn't see any NT boxes on this network |
| 16:11:35 | [DrEvil] | sheesh |
| 16:11:36 | George- | doesn't either |
| 16:11:41 | [DrEvil] | does it have to be so difficult |
| 16:11:49 | George- | yes |
| 16:11:54 | George- | it's windows... |
| 16:12:04 | rikkus | ext2 is fine for CF and SD cards |
| 16:12:17 | rikkus | jffs2 would be better, but I don't know if it's supported properly yet |
| 16:12:25 | rikkus | needs some trickery to make it work properly |
| 16:12:56 | warmi | mark: I already have Puzz-le running on Win2k |
| 16:13:08 | warmi | in fact, that is how I developed it - using Qt on Windows |
| 16:13:09 | rikkus | I don't know about SD cards, but CF cards do their own cheap version of wear levelling |
| 16:13:16 | rikkus | so it doesn't matter too much which fs you use |
| 16:13:17 | mark | warmi: oh yeh, you did. gonna release it? |
| 16:13:33 | numatrix | Hmm, that sounds like a really horrible idea, DrEvil, thanks! |
| 16:13:54 | warmi | yeah, I was thinking about that .. but if I do I will make all the graphics larger etc .. |
| 16:14:02 | warmi | and right now I don't have time for that |
| 16:14:16 | warmi | I want to port Puzz-le to ppc |
| 16:14:26 | George- | what's wear levelling? |
| 16:14:33 | George- | warmi: isn't there a qt for PPC? |
| 16:14:44 | warmi | so I can get some extra cash to buy Z 5600 or whatever Sharp comes out with |
| 16:15:12 | warmi | George-: there is internal version - if you want it , you will have to contact Trolls directly |
| 16:15:44 | mark | warmi: do you know if thats gonna stay internal or be released at some point? |
| 16:15:52 | | rikkus: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:15:52 | rikkus | ibot wear levelling? |
| 16:16:11 | George- | warmi: define "internal" |
| 16:16:18 | warmi | mark: have no clue .... I guess if they have demand for it |
| 16:16:26 | mark | George-: whats wrong with a dictionary? :) |
| 16:16:33 | | OK, rikkus. |
| 16:16:33 | rikkus | ibot wear levelling is spreading out writes to a device in order to avoid stressing certain parts of it more than others, which should help increase its lifetime |
| 16:16:34 | George- | warmi: does that mean that any of the apps I make for it would have to be unreleased? |
| 16:17:03 | warmi | George-: no, it means they ported Qt to run on PocketPC but never relased it to the public |
| 16:17:15 | warmi | basically, they don't sell that as a product |
| 16:17:19 | George- | warmi: why the hell not |
| 16:17:28 | | OK, rikkus. |
| 16:17:28 | rikkus | ibot cf wear levelling is done with randomness rather than counting, which doesn't work quite so well as you can have files sitting in one place forever |
| 16:17:29 | George- | ok, who's the guy to contact? :) |
| 16:17:32 | warmi | if you are interested in buying it, you need to contact them directly |
| 16:17:38 | warmi | one sec |
| 16:17:51 | George- | hmm, isn't there a GPL edition, for making GPL apps with? |
| 16:18:24 | mark | warmi: heh, the chess software for PPC has had about 2,000 sales |
| 16:18:44 | mark | thats one of them, the other has 20,000 downloads. |
| 16:18:53 | George- | hrmm |
| 16:19:02 | George- | I could write Symbian OS stuff; I know OPL |
| 16:19:57 | warmi | George-: I can't find that post .. |
| 16:20:06 | warmi | I saw it on Qt-general |
| 16:20:20 | George- | k |
| 16:20:25 | George- | heck |
| 16:20:27 | warmi | anyway ... it will be commercial only |
| 16:20:34 | warmi | just like Qt Windows version |
| 16:20:35 | George- | Strategic Assault for PPC has had 21000 hits |
| 16:20:39 | rikkus | <advert>kpf is great for setting up a package feed for your Zaurus</advert> |
| 16:20:49 | numatrix | rikkus: kpf? |
| 16:21:02 | rikkus | numatrix: web server in a kicker applet |
| 16:21:03 | warmi | mark: well, port it to PPC then :-) |
| 16:21:06 | George- | KDE Public File or something |
| 16:21:30 | mark | warmi: they dont need another chess app. unfortunately. |
| 16:22:03 | George- | YABCA |
| 16:22:16 | warmi | mark: who knows :-) |
| 16:22:17 | numatrix | Ahh. Unfortunately, I'm a gnome guy... |
| 16:22:25 | warmi | anyway, it would be rather hard to port |
| 16:22:35 | warmi | you would have to use tons of MFC code |
| 16:22:54 | George- | unless... |
| 16:22:59 | George- | you get Qt for PocketPC :P |
| 16:23:05 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:23:07 | Harlekin | its on the way |
| 16:23:07 | mark | yeh, it would be. and my MFC knowledge is rather limited. |
| 16:23:23 | warmi | but that would probably set you back like $1000 or so |
| 16:24:07 | George- | warmi: the qt ppc devel suite is that much? |
| 16:24:09 | mark | yeh. why dont you do a GPL qt port to PPC warmi? :) |
| 16:24:27 | warmi | mark: I did |
| 16:24:33 | warmi | I have miniqt |
| 16:24:39 | George- | warmi: wh00t? |
| 16:24:56 | warmi | which is their collection classes + qstring + qregexp + various utility classes like Qrect etc |
| 16:25:08 | warmi | stuff I can't do without :-) |
| 16:25:11 | George- | erm |
| 16:25:19 | George- | do you have stuff like QPushButton? :) |
| 16:25:20 | mark | heeh |
| 16:25:30 | warmi | and I don't need their widget classes cause I will be porting game which only needs framebuffer |
| 16:25:42 | XavierXeon | is fleeing to the bedroom. colder there |
| 16:25:46 | warmi | George-: no, no GUI classes |
| 16:25:48 | George- | Why does the PPC 2002 interface look inferior? |
| 16:26:06 | warmi | George-: it looks liek Windows 3.11 |
| 16:26:07 | warmi | like |
| 16:26:10 | mark | shame qt/w32 isn't gpl |
| 16:26:19 | George- | it looks retarded |
| 16:26:35 | George- | mark: 2.3.1 is |
| 16:26:41 | George- | i think |
| 16:26:46 | rikkus | http://rikkus.info/tmp/kpf_serving_1.png <- kpf doing a feed for the Z. The bottom graph on the panel on the left shows the bandwidth use as the package is transferred. The monitor window shows, well, you can see. A transfer has just completed. It will disappear in a second or two once you've had time to notice it. |
| 16:27:14 | warmi | George-: it would take around 2-3 months to port Qt/e to windows |
| 16:27:28 | George- | ? |
| 16:27:36 | warmi | but it is pointless since there is already version running on PPC |
| 16:27:45 | warmi | they just never bothered to release it |
| 16:27:54 | George- | perhaps I can get hold of a GPL copy? |
| 16:27:56 | warmi | George-: qte does not have GDI layer code |
| 16:28:03 | George- | otherwise, I'm stuck on Visual Basic |
| 16:28:08 | George- | can't do MFC at all |
| 16:28:09 | warmi | if fact , no GPLed version of Qt has Windows GDI code in it |
| 16:28:18 | George- | GDI? |
| 16:28:22 | warmi | it has only either X11 or framebuffer |
| 16:28:30 | George- | erm |
| 16:28:37 | warmi | George-: Windows subsystem for doing low level graphics |
| 16:28:41 | mark | graphics device interface |
| 16:29:05 | warmi | basically in qt .. when you have code like drawLine(...) |
| 16:29:19 | warmi | it maps either to X call xDrawLine(..0 |
| 16:29:29 | warmi | or GDI equivalent of that |
| 16:29:33 | warmi | we do have code for X |
| 16:29:43 | warmi | but they never released GDI part |
| 16:30:07 | warmi | which means you would have to go thru Windows GDI and try to map it on your own .. basically, porting Qt to Windows |
| 16:30:22 | Novak | guys |
| 16:30:38 | George- | QtWin230-NonCommercial.exe |
| 16:30:44 | numatrix | Novak |
| 16:30:47 | warmi | George-: but that is only binary |
| 16:30:52 | George- | oh |
| 16:31:02 | Novak | how hard would it be to write a program that went into a console and sent the command mplayer /home/root/Documents.. etc |
| 16:31:04 | George- | that plain sucks |
| 16:31:22 | warmi | Novak: you could write a shell script to do that |
| 16:31:29 | cranch | yup |
| 16:31:32 | Novak | easily? |
| 16:31:40 | warmi | George-: well, you have to pay up |
| 16:31:49 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:31:54 | George- | warmi: heh |
| 16:32:02 | erikd | is there a site that keeps logs of this chan? |
| 16:32:05 | warmi | Novak: easily is a relative term ... if you know shell scripting than it would be very easy |
| 16:32:05 | George- | warmi: I keep forgetting TT is a commercial company :) |
| 16:32:06 | darienm | yes |
| 16:32:07 | darienm | :) |
| 16:32:10 | George- | erikd: yes |
| 16:32:13 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 16:32:13 | George- | ibot logs |
| 16:32:16 | erikd | ah |
| 16:32:18 | erikd | cool |
| 16:32:24 | George- | don't put the # in :) |
| 16:32:28 | darienm | erikd: I also keep logs of this channel, personally |
| 16:32:37 | Novak | I keep some too |
| 16:32:44 | warmi | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/zaurus/ |
| 16:32:49 | warmi | bunch of gzipped files |
| 16:32:52 | erikd | i do too, but i keep a single log of all of opn |
| 16:33:00 | darienm | yuk. |
| 16:33:07 | darienm | cycled daily? weekly? |
| 16:33:13 | Novak | anyone here played wyvern on the z? |
| 16:33:17 | darienm | continuous growing like a virus? |
| 16:33:21 | numatrix | Novak: briefly |
| 16:33:30 | erikd | -rw------- 1 yodatoad yodatoad 207703826 Aug 15 12:33 OPIrcLog |
| 16:33:30 | Novak | cool game? |
| 16:33:34 | erikd | kinda big :) |
| 16:34:45 | rikkus | remember there's a hell of a lot more than just porting a few graphics primitives involved in porting Qt to win32 |
| 16:35:01 | warmi | rikkus: yeah .. like threads , entire iodevice subsystem |
| 16:35:03 | warmi | I know |
| 16:35:09 | warmi | I was just giving an example |
| 16:35:39 | numatrix | Novak yeah, pretty cool, I guess, I didn't play more than like 20 mintes. |
| 16:35:42 | warmi | there is no point doing it |
| 16:35:58 | rikkus | the main thing is that Windows is so buggy, you'll spend your life making workarounds |
| 16:36:03 | warmi | if one badly needs that code then it is only $1000 :-) |
| 16:36:12 | rikkus | if the Windows code you were calling was stable, it'd be a piece of piss |
| 16:36:17 | warmi | rikkus: it is not much more buggy than xlib or even posix layer |
| 16:36:26 | warmi | you just have to know which APIs to use :-) |
| 16:36:27 | rikkus | well, except for the horribly ugly API :) |
| 16:36:29 | rikkus | heh |
| 16:36:33 | warmi | MS has tons of obsolete APIs |
| 16:36:46 | oGMo | "you are in a twisty set of |
| 16:36:47 | rikkus | well, I haven't seen a buggy xlib implementation in years |
| 16:36:51 | oGMo | ..API's, all alike" |
| 16:36:54 | rikkus | xlib is just a thin wrapper over a socket |
| 16:37:21 | warmi | rikkus: no .. it is not . I mean actuall implementation on the server |
| 16:37:33 | warmi | Windows api is not so much buggy |
| 16:37:45 | warmi | but more like confusing since there are toons of ways to do the same thing |
| 16:37:49 | rikkus | oh, well, even X servers are pretty good these days. It's only when you get into extensions that you start having severe trouble. |
| 16:37:53 | rikkus | Oh, and fonts :) |
| 16:37:54 | warmi | it all accumulated over the years |
| 16:38:17 | warmi | and since MS tries to keep binary compatibility with everythign that was written in 1994 |
| 16:38:19 | warmi | or 1995 |
| 16:38:26 | warmi | you end up with a monster API |
| 16:38:33 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:38:44 | rikkus | yes, and 3 different ways to do the same thing |
| 16:38:49 | rikkus | each with its own stupid API |
| 16:38:57 | rikkus | and bugs, of course |
| 16:39:06 | warmi | hi Neo|Work |
| 16:39:22 | warmi | I personally, prefer Win32 non-gui API to Posix stuff |
| 16:39:42 | rikkus | not that UNIX is much better, you still need a million #defiens to get the right stuff included and defined, plus lots if #ifdef __OSF__ etc :| |
| 16:39:52 | warmi | MFC is a nightmare though ,.,... especially compared to Qt |
| 16:39:58 | rikkus | that's true |
| 16:40:19 | warmi | the biggest problem with MFC is that is very, very think layer on top of Win32 API |
| 16:40:45 | mark | think layer, nice combo of words there :) |
| 16:40:51 | oGMo | rikkus: no, you don't :P |
| 16:40:58 | warmi | thin layer :-) |
| 16:41:10 | rikkus | oGMo: hmm ? |
| 16:41:17 | warmi | anyway, MFC is still better than GTK |
| 16:41:44 | oGMo | rikkus: need that many #defines |
| 16:42:00 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 16:53:18) |
| 16:42:18 | rikkus | oGMo: look at the Qt source. You'll see there is a significant number. That's an understatement, BTW. |
| 16:42:28 | oGMo | plus, it's an unfair comparison, since there's only one win32 implementation that runs on a single platform |
| 16:42:50 | rikkus | no-one said anything about fairness |
| 16:43:01 | warmi | oGMo: no , NT used to run on MIPSC and PPC |
| 16:43:18 | oGMo | warmi: "used to" |
| 16:43:19 | warmi | in fact it still does .. Pocket PC runs on many different archs |
| 16:43:49 | warmi | the problem with UNix is that every vendor tries to "improve" on basic posix stuff |
| 16:43:53 | Neo|Work | got a reply from handango |
| 16:44:16 | Neo|Work | "If you decide to get them done on your own, feel free, but I believe the promotions and extra support that we give you in our international markets as a part of the program will make up the difference in your revenue without a doubt" |
| 16:44:31 | George- | bleh |
| 16:44:33 | George- | VerxIdle, VerxWork: Ping |
| 16:44:35 | Neo|Work | so if I don't use their "extra" 15% there are no promitions and "extra support" whatever that means |
| 16:44:56 | warmi | Neo|Work: the only way to test it is to have them do conversion for one of your apps and see how it does |
| 16:45:07 | oGMo | warmi: Windows CE is _not_ the same thing |
| 16:45:15 | warmi | if it is worth giving away %40 of your revenue |
| 16:45:26 | warmi | oGMo: significant parts of it are |
| 16:46:07 | warmi | oGMo: the point is that , when you have many vendors, reluctantly following some sort of loose standard, you will always end up with Unix like mess |
| 16:46:18 | oGMo | plus, you don't maintain code that's supposed to compile and run identically on win32 and winCE |
| 16:46:27 | George- | uhm |
| 16:46:29 | warmi | HP does not want apps written for HP to run on anything else |
| 16:46:49 | George- | how does one submit a beta for the Zaurus challenge? |
| 16:47:51 | brent | is there anything wrong with using the familiar/ipaq feed on my Z? |
| 16:47:51 | Neo|Work | warmi: Bust'em comes to mind since it actually has Japanese localization |
| 16:48:54 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, do you know any other alternative as far as translation service ? |
| 16:49:47 | warmi | George-: are you still there ? |
| 16:49:57 | warmi | I found the quote about Qt for PPC |
| 16:50:00 | warmi | "Trolltech have working prototypes of both Qt/WinCE 3.0 and QtE/QNX 3.0, but these platforms are not yet available commercially." |
| 16:51:26 | George- | yes |
| 16:51:30 | George- | ok |
| 16:51:31 | George- | I gtg |
| 16:51:32 | George- | bye |
| 16:54:08 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 4 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: heh [Thu Aug 15 16:49:56 2002] |
| 16:54:08 | codemnky | ibot seen kergoth |
| 16:54:27 | codemnky | anyone here use the zImage-32 |
| 16:54:34 | codemnky | of Oz |
| 16:54:48 | roge99 | whas up codemnky |
| 16:54:52 | codemnky | hey |
| 16:55:03 | codemnky | i'm trying out the zImage-32 |
| 16:55:07 | roge99 | yea |
| 16:55:09 | codemnky | but it doesn't see me SD |
| 16:55:14 | codemnky | it seems |
| 16:55:24 | roge99 | do you have the latest verson |
| 16:55:46 | codemnky | 2.9.4 (oz3 b10.4) |
| 16:55:48 | roge99 | there was a problem w/ freset that didnt run the intial config |
| 16:55:52 | roge99 | upgrade |
| 16:56:25 | codemnky | so i need to use 2.9.5.5 (oz3 b10.5.5) initrd-2.9.5.5.bin with zImage-32 |
| 16:56:25 | roge99 | that will fix it |
| 16:56:30 | roge99 | right |
| 16:56:32 | codemnky | ok |
| 16:56:38 | codemnky | what's up |
| 16:56:46 | roge99 | not much |
| 16:56:53 | roge99 | worken from home :-) |
| 16:57:46 | codemnky | with the -32 i'll be able to install my crap right? |
| 16:57:52 | codemnky | more |
| 16:58:01 | roge99 | yea should |
| 16:58:05 | codemnky | ok |
| 16:58:06 | roge99 | you get more memory |
| 16:58:16 | codemnky | man this sucks having the 5000d |
| 16:58:17 | roge99 | less ( no ) ram filesystem |
| 16:58:19 | codemnky | i need a gig |
| 16:58:35 | codemnky | what do you mean? |
| 16:58:35 | roge99 | buy a big cf card |
| 16:58:38 | codemnky | i have one |
| 16:58:53 | codemnky | but the stuff i need to install i need permenant |
| 16:59:01 | codemnky | and i need the cf slot |
| 16:59:04 | roge99 | w/ the 32 image you have 32MB ram |
| 16:59:07 | codemnky | when i'm online |
| 16:59:34 | brent | if i'm not using /mnt/ram because i have a sizable SD card, should i grab the openZ image with no ramdisk? |
| 16:59:42 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone |
| 16:59:44 | roge99 | w/ 26/6 you get 26 MB ram + 6MB storage ( mtdram ) |
| 16:59:45 | codemnky | brent |
| 16:59:55 | codemnky | that's exactly what i'm trying to figure out |
| 17:00:10 | brent | codemnky: it only makes sense |
| 17:00:19 | roge99 | there is still issues w/ the 32 |
| 17:00:33 | roge99 | the 26/6 seemed more stable to me |
| 17:00:47 | roge99 | im using the 32 and im having issues w/ suspend |
| 17:01:01 | brent | do ramfs mounts come out of the heap? |
| 17:01:02 | roge99 | and other weird stuff |
| 17:01:39 | brent | /var and /tmp are current ramfs, and i don't want to b0rk them by not using a ramdisk |
| 17:02:02 | roge99 | brent: are you using OZ |
| 17:02:07 | brent | yef |
| 17:02:10 | codemnky | so i should use 26/6 and install eveything in SD |
| 17:02:28 | roge99 | codemnky: that seemed to be pretty stable |
| 17:06:24 | codemnky | tick/tock |
| 17:10:41 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 20 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: heh [Thu Aug 15 16:49:56 2002] |
| 17:10:41 | prpplague | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 17:14:04 | kybu | warmi alive? |
| 17:15:22 | warmi | kybu: yeah |
| 17:15:42 | kybu | warmi: sorry to bother you but i can't figure out, how to save game in puzzle ;) |
| 17:16:35 | warmi | kybu: well |
| 17:16:45 | warmi | it is not exactly the smartest design |
| 17:16:51 | warmi | but when you exit the level |
| 17:16:59 | warmi | it will ask you if you want to save it |
| 17:17:10 | warmi | unless you disabled that in the options |
| 17:17:16 | warmi | then it will just quit :-) |
| 17:17:22 | warmi | there is not explicit way to save the game |
| 17:17:47 | kybu | oh, it just exit :) |
| 17:17:52 | warmi | you click Abort |
| 17:17:58 | warmi | and then it will ask you |
| 17:18:00 | kybu | i will look into options |
| 17:18:35 | warmi | Options has "Prompt on Abort" |
| 17:18:48 | warmi | if it is on it will ask you if you want to save the game |
| 17:19:13 | warmi | if it is off then it will just silently go back to the welcome screen |
| 17:19:39 | kybu | oh great dude thanx |
| 17:19:41 | kybu | ;) |
| 17:19:54 | warmi | np |
| 17:22:33 | cranch | wondeirng if I've got snort all working properly :) |
| 17:22:34 | cranch | haha |
| 17:23:38 | rikkus | that reminds me, I was going to buy puzz-le |
| 17:24:54 | warmi | rikkus: feel free :-) |
| 17:25:14 | rikkus | warmi: free, you say ? ;) |
| 17:26:27 | warmi | rikkus: whichever way you want :-) you can compile it for free or buy it |
| 17:26:53 | rikkus | well, I'll buy it |
| 17:29:56 | Cloudchaser | so what's new and exciting in z world today? |
| 17:31:21 | rikkus | mine had kittens |
| 17:31:46 | rikkus | 2 tabbies, 1 black with a white eye patch |
| 17:31:56 | Cloudchaser | your z had kittens? |
| 17:32:00 | rikkus | yep |
| 17:32:08 | rikkus | ok, so I lied, but there was nothing else to report |
| 17:32:18 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 17:34:55 | br33zy | what the textbox called? |
| 17:34:57 | br33zy | qtextbox? |
| 17:35:01 | br33zy | qeditbox? |
| 17:35:15 | warmi_meeting | br33zy: QMultiLineEdit |
| 17:35:18 | br33zy | wha |
| 17:35:19 | rikkus | warmi_meeting: you have a paypal account ? my webmail is down and I can't retrieve my handango login |
| 17:35:19 | br33zy | t |
| 17:35:33 | warmi_meeting | rikkus: no, unfortunately I don;t :-) |
| 17:35:39 | br33zy | warmi_meeting: is there a singleline |
| 17:35:45 | warmi_meeting | anyway .. I got to go to the meeting |
| 17:35:48 | warmi_meeting | br33zy: QLineEdit |
| 17:36:01 | rikkus | k |
| 17:36:02 | br33zy | damn. |
| 17:36:12 | rikkus | oh, it's ok, remembered my password finally :) |
| 17:59:29 | warmi | enjoy the game :-) |
| 17:59:39 | warmi | I mean rikkus: enjoy the game :-) |
| 17:59:59 | George- | hey |
| 18:00:45 | VerxWork | hey George |
| 18:00:53 | VerxWork | what are you writing? (for the Challenge) |
| 18:01:09 | George- | HTML editor... |
| 18:01:11 | warmi | rikkus: the latest version have 450 levels - 50 original + 400 ported from vexed project |
| 18:01:17 | warmi | George-: holly cow |
| 18:01:25 | warmi | that's not easy :-) |
| 18:01:34 | George- | warmi: hah, I didn't write most of it :) |
| 18:01:39 | VerxWork | George-: So a text editor that imports html? |
| 18:01:41 | VerxWork | ducks |
| 18:01:42 | VerxWork | :) |
| 18:01:51 | George- | (if you regard the syntax highlighting as most of it) |
| 18:02:13 | warmi | George-: you are porting it from some other code ? |
| 18:02:24 | George- | warmi: no |
| 18:02:33 | warmi | I think by HTML editor he means standard text editor that highlights HTML tags |
| 18:02:42 | George- | warmi: the backend stuff such as the QColorMultiLineEdit, and the filebrowser code is taken |
| 18:02:45 | George- | all the rest is mine |
| 18:02:52 | George- | warmi: yeh |
| 18:03:01 | George- | warmi: and some previewing options? |
| 18:03:12 | warmi | George-: what is QColorMultiLineEdit ??? |
| 18:03:15 | warmi | I never heard about that class |
| 18:03:17 | George- | no |
| 18:03:24 | George- | it's written by a 3rd party :) |
| 18:03:36 | George- | it supports syntax highlighting in a _very_ easy way |
| 18:04:18 | warmi | George-: is it free ? |
| 18:04:54 | George- | sorta |
| 18:05:01 | George- | same situation as knights, and puzz-le :) |
| 18:05:01 | warmi | where can I download it ? |
| 18:05:07 | George- | I haven't finished it yet! |
| 18:05:08 | George- | =P |
| 18:05:19 | warmi | I mean the class |
| 18:05:22 | George- | oh |
| 18:05:26 | George- | erm |
| 18:05:28 | warmi | I know you are not done with the editor yet :-) |
| 18:05:33 | George- | it's sorta taken from another project :) |
| 18:05:48 | George- | if you want the static lib, and code for it that I made... |
| 18:05:53 | George- | I'll upload it onto my website |
| 18:06:03 | warmi | George-: man ,...that's fine. That's the whole idea behind OpenSource and code sharing :-) |
| 18:06:20 | warmi | just let me know which project is that .. I can rip it out myself :-) |
| 18:07:45 | George- | search on google for "fine text editor qt" |
| 18:07:46 | George- | I'm afk |
| 18:08:30 | warmi | fine text editor qt |
| 18:08:32 | warmi | heheh |
| 18:09:06 | chouimat|work | hey George- |
| 18:09:08 | warmi | http://lrv.fri.uni-lj.si/~bojank/fine.html |
| 18:09:13 | warmi | I think that is it |
| 18:12:54 | Cloudchaser | hiya ljp_work and XavierXeon |
| 18:14:07 | XavierXeon | hello |
| 18:15:00 | ljp_work | hi could.. whats going on today? |
| 18:15:06 | XavierXeon | have you fixed your memory problem ? |
| 18:15:06 | ljp_work | grr cloud that is |
| 18:15:36 | Cloudchaser | not too much here |
| 18:15:41 | Cloudchaser | what's new with you? |
| 18:16:31 | ljp_work | ohh.. just getting opieplayer2 about ready to roll |
| 18:16:47 | XavierXeon | planning the next steps for iconedit |
| 18:16:56 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 18:17:04 | Cloudchaser | busy busy |
| 18:17:07 | ljp_work | iconedit.. |
| 18:17:37 | XavierXeon | icon editor. see ZSI |
| 18:17:48 | kergoth | argh |
| 18:17:53 | kergoth | what a fucking useless meeting that was. |
| 18:18:25 | ljp_work | someone still needs to port either pong or tempest games to the z ;) |
| 18:18:31 | kergoth | prpplague: I'm trying to get Digi to pay attention to linux and fix the linux driver install situation, but its difficult. |
| 18:18:42 | XavierXeon | pong !!!! |
| 18:18:42 | kergoth | ljp_work: tempest would be sweet |
| 18:19:05 | Cloudchaser | i want to learn how to port some games |
| 18:19:09 | ljp_work | ya.. I keep a DOS version of tempest around for fun |
| 18:19:29 | Cloudchaser | i prolly need c++ for that too? |
| 18:19:42 | ljp_work | or c |
| 18:20:08 | Cloudchaser | sighs |
| 18:20:28 | XavierXeon | it helps to know c++ or c if you want to port stuff |
| 18:20:30 | ljp_work | or java |
| 18:21:02 | kergoth | ARGH i HATE red tape |
| 18:21:25 | tux_mike | is gonna punt some users |
| 18:21:32 | kergoth | wanders around looking for a handy executive to slaughter |
| 18:21:44 | kergoth | blah. |
| 18:21:57 | [DrEvil] | do you have a red stapler? |
| 18:22:10 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i wish :-) |
| 18:22:22 | XavierXeon | i will be looking for a new job soon |
| 18:22:22 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: OH thanks for reminding me, I'm on a redhat 7.3 box here, I'll try the build :-) |
| 18:22:38 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 18:23:29 | kergoth | pulls down a toolchain |
| 18:23:45 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: but not necessarily, you can cross-compile (not really porting, but it's the best start) without too much c or c++ knowledge; I've been doing it for a little while now, and I'm starting to pick it up a bit. |
| 18:24:25 | Cloudchaser_ | so if i find a game, i can try to cross-compile it? |
| 18:24:30 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i hear ya |
| 18:24:56 | prpplague | kergoth: i've already got one of my programmers working on the front end for the new epca config |
| 18:25:02 | sjohnson | Cloudchaser_: It depends on the software package. Some software is more cross compile friendly then others. |
| 18:25:26 | Cloudchaser_ | problem is.. i don't know the difference |
| 18:25:48 | numatrix | Anybody know who mike pilone is? |
| 18:26:03 | Cloudchaser_ | not me |
| 18:26:16 | kergoth | prpplague: great. I'll continue to focus on the kernel side of things. that reminds me, I need to write up how I'm going to architect it |
| 18:26:37 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: You might want to start cross-compiling some command-line programs. I did frotz for example pretty easily. |
| 18:26:56 | numatrix | Much easier than the graphics stuff. For that I still haven't done much with Qt apps, just SDL so far which is about as easy as the command line ones. |
| 18:27:03 | prpplague | kergoth: we should have two different front ends, one is curses and the other is based on the dialog function |
| 18:27:11 | Cloudchaser_ | ok the ones i saw were sdl i think |
| 18:27:26 | tux_mike | >< Shadup LILO! |
| 18:27:26 | codemnky | yo roge99 |
| 18:27:41 | roge99 | hey |
| 18:27:46 | roge99 | whats up |
| 18:27:54 | codemnky | i got a bunch installed in SD and it worked |
| 18:27:57 | codemnky | but 1 app |
| 18:28:02 | codemnky | i went into settings |
| 18:28:07 | prpplague | tux_mike: cat lilo.conf > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 18:28:14 | codemnky | and changed it back to root just to see if it would install there |
| 18:28:24 | codemnky | and restarted just to be safe |
| 18:28:39 | codemnky | settings says root, but it's still trying to install in sd |
| 18:28:44 | tux_mike | prppl: lilo the opper on this network |
| 18:28:53 | tux_mike | him and his fundraising scam |
| 18:28:57 | tux_mike | i can't ignore it >< |
| 18:29:04 | codemnky | the install screen shows -dest root |
| 18:29:12 | codemnky | weird |
| 18:29:35 | roge99 | did you install it to sd first |
| 18:29:36 | kergoth | prpplague: good idea. |
| 18:29:50 | codemnky | i did, yes, but then uninstalled |
| 18:30:00 | prpplague | kergoth: btw, question, once i get matchbox and tinyx built, should the buildroot just use standard ipkg feeds for other apps like rxvt and xkbd? |
| 18:30:15 | codemnky | is it still reading that /mnt/card/usr/.../info/ stuff Z? |
| 18:30:18 | roge99 | hrm ... are you sure the files arnt left over from a privious install |
| 18:30:18 | codemnky | -Z |
| 18:30:26 | codemnky | i'll check |
| 18:31:00 | prpplague | tux_mike: ya i know, i was --mode jk |
| 18:31:04 | kergoth | prpplague: good question. Will they install cleanly? I still point people to the familiar feed fo rthings i havent had time to incorporate. I try to build as much in the buildroot as possible, given that postinst scripts may fail and the like, and dependencies may not be perfect, when installing packages from another distro. its like installing redhat packages in mandrake. |
| 18:31:55 | warmi | . |
| 18:32:27 | prpplague | kergoth: well that was my goal by spending so much time on the x build to make sure that the standard ipkgs feed would work. |
| 18:32:51 | prpplague | kergoth: i've only tested a few, but they seem to work ok so far |
| 18:33:00 | tux_mike | prp: ok, i have the flag --kill-users enabled, so --humor is set to no by default :) |
| 18:33:15 | kergoth | prpplague: cool. then lets use those. I dunno about you, but i dont have time to add frivolous stuff to the buildroot :-) |
| 18:33:26 | MarkNovak | hola |
| 18:33:28 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, me either |
| 18:33:34 | kergoth | hmm i think pcmcia is working in 2.5.x on the Z. nifty. |
| 18:33:35 | kergoth | tests |
| 18:34:19 | MarkNovak | how is everyone? |
| 18:34:21 | MarkNovak | good? |
| 18:35:29 | warmi | MarkNovak: yeah .. not bad |
| 18:35:42 | MarkNovak | has a Zaurus question |
| 18:35:50 | kergoth | MarkNovak: ask away |
| 18:36:06 | MarkNovak | Is Macromedia Flash supported on the Z |
| 18:36:21 | MarkNovak | and how hard would it be to have one of you fine gentlemen make it so? |
| 18:37:14 | prpplague | MarkNovak: well, i'm tired, sick of signature capture device and will go crazy if i hear someone call and say "my digi board isn't working" |
| 18:37:15 | warmi | MarkNovak: I am not sure ... it is really a question if Opera on the zaurus supports it |
| 18:37:32 | prpplague | MarkNovak: you doing ok today? |
| 18:37:42 | MarkNovak | dandy |
| 18:38:15 | prpplague | MarkNovak: + i'm made that kergoth and i didn't get to go to linuxworld, lol |
| 18:38:21 | prpplague | s/made/mad |
| 18:38:37 | MarkNovak | so... is linuxworld an actual place? |
| 18:38:48 | MarkNovak | or a site? |
| 18:38:49 | numatrix | It's the place we all go when we close our eyes. |
| 18:38:54 | numatrix | There are no windows, only open doors.... |
| 18:39:01 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 18:39:01 | numatrix | j/k It's a convention type dealio |
| 18:39:05 | | prpplague: i'm not following you... |
| 18:39:05 | prpplague | ibot: linuxworld |
| 18:39:06 | MarkNovak | gotcha |
| 18:39:12 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 18:39:14 | | warmi: huh? |
| 18:39:14 | warmi | ibot linux world |
| 18:39:16 | MarkNovak | that ibot cracks me up |
| 18:39:26 | | numatrix: huh? |
| 18:39:26 | numatrix | ibot, shoot everyone |
| 18:39:28 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 18:39:28 | prpplague | ibot: linuxworld is http://www.linuxworldexpo.com |
| 18:39:33 | | numatrix: i'm not following you... |
| 18:39:33 | numatrix | ibot: shoot me |
| 18:39:42 | | MarkNovak: i'm not following you... |
| 18:39:42 | MarkNovak | ibot I love you |
| 18:39:43 | numatrix | I coulda sworn he could shoot people... |
| 18:39:51 | numatrix | ibot; insult me |
| 18:39:57 | | prpplague: sorry... |
| 18:39:57 | prpplague | ibot: shoot numatrix |
| 18:40:09 | | ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 18:40:09 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 18:40:18 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 18:40:18 | ljp_work | ibot: shoot kergoth |
| 18:40:23 | MarkNovak | ahhaha |
| 18:40:24 | roge99 | mmmmmmm guinness |
| 18:40:35 | | call kergoth! |
| 18:40:35 | prpplague | ibot: digi problem |
| 18:40:41 | | prpplague: sorry... |
| 18:40:41 | prpplague | ibot: sco problem |
| 18:40:48 | roge99 | kergoth: you round |
| 18:40:52 | | prpplague: huh? |
| 18:40:52 | prpplague | ibot: SCO problem |
| 18:40:53 | numatrix | roge99 he just left |
| 18:41:07 | numatrix | roge99 I'm retarded |
| 18:41:12 | numatrix | No he didn't, sorry, I can't read. |
| 18:41:17 | roge99 | lol |
| 18:44:39 | kergoth | roge99: whats up |
| 18:44:57 | roge99 | did you find out what you were gona find out for me ???? |
| 18:46:09 | kergoth | roge99: oh, thanks for the reminder :-) i'll send off an email. |
| 18:46:26 | roge99 | thanks :-) |
| 18:46:42 | kergoth | k sent |
| 18:46:44 | kergoth | i'll let ya know |
| 18:47:14 | | kergoth: i haven't a clue |
| 18:47:14 | kergoth | ibot sco problem? |
| 18:47:21 | roge99 | thanks... I had forgot myself until i saw ibot digi-problem |
| 18:47:25 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 18:47:25 | kergoth | ibot: sco problem is <reply> call prpplague! |
| 18:47:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:47:34 | roge99 | lol |
| 18:47:50 | | prpplague: huh? |
| 18:47:50 | prpplague | ibot: compaitibility issues |
| 18:47:55 | | prpplague: i'm not following you... |
| 18:47:55 | prpplague | ibot: compatibility issues |
| 18:47:59 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 18:47:59 | prpplague | ibot: compatibility issue |
| 18:48:00 | cutm | what's the color pallete on the Z? |
| 18:48:03 | cutm | 32-bit? |
| 18:48:16 | prpplague | darn ibot has forget some stuff |
| 18:48:21 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:48:22 | kergoth | weird |
| 18:48:24 | | roge99: what? |
| 18:48:24 | roge99 | ibot drinking problem |
| 18:48:29 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:48:35 | | wish i knew, prpplague |
| 18:48:35 | prpplague | ibot: do you have alzheimers? |
| 18:48:39 | cutm | maybe 16-bit? |
| 18:48:42 | ljp_work | I think its 16 bit color |
| 18:49:01 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 18:49:01 | kergoth | ibot: do you have alzheimers is <reply> yes. |
| 18:49:08 | | kergoth: i haven't a clue |
| 18:49:08 | kergoth | ibot: do you have alzheimers? |
| 18:49:11 | cutm | ok, cool. |
| 18:49:15 | | i already had it that way, kergoth. |
| 18:49:15 | kergoth | ibot: do \you have alzheimers is <reply> yes. |
| 18:49:20 | kergoth | odd |
| 18:49:44 | cutm | is there anyway to check ljp? I'm trying to get some art made for my app |
| 18:49:52 | | bugger all, i dunno, prpplague |
| 18:49:52 | prpplague | ibot: are supermodels fun in bed? |
| 18:50:51 | prpplague | kergoth: i guess ibot is will have to come down not that someone owns the patent on bot techniques, lol |
| 18:52:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:53:29 | ljp_work | cutm: I'm fairly sure its 16 |
| 18:55:49 | codemnky | nap time |
| 18:55:51 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/nap.jpg |
| 18:56:05 | roge99 | lol |
| 18:58:25 | frankps | hi all |
| 18:59:16 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: that set -ex doesn't really tell me anything |
| 18:59:59 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: okay |
| 19:00:14 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: `( true; ); for i in ; do for j in ; do if [ ! -e $i ]; then if (echo $j | grep `echo $i|sed -e 's,.*/,,g;'` >/dev/null 2>&1); then echo Obtaining sources of libc6...; source /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/source; _source $j $i; fi; fi; done; done; ' |
| 19:00:19 | [DrEvil] | that is the weird one |
| 19:00:29 | kergoth | well obviously the problem is 'for i in ;' |
| 19:00:34 | kergoth | the variable that its looping through is empty |
| 19:00:38 | kergoth | for some reason |
| 19:01:03 | [DrEvil] | touch: creating `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/stamps/gconv-modules*/stamp-binary': No such file or directory |
| 19:01:08 | [DrEvil] | and why are their wildcards here |
| 19:02:12 | kergoth | thats harmless |
| 19:02:20 | kergoth | you never get that far, it doesnt even download the sources. |
| 19:02:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:02:31 | [DrEvil] | the sources are there |
| 19:02:35 | [DrEvil] | that is at the end of the build |
| 19:03:00 | kergoth | err |
| 19:03:05 | kergoth | its failing trying to obtain the sources. |
| 19:03:18 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:05:20 | prpplague | kergoth: speaking of that, in the buildroot for tuxscreen, alot of the .mk's have elaborate checks to insure the source was dl'd before trying to compile |
| 19:09:17 | kergoth | prpplague: well, this wont compile unless the source file/dir exists, but it doesnt do any checking to ensure its complete :-) |
| 19:09:23 | kergoth | prpplague: i.e. incomplete wget, cvs checkout with wrong pw,.. |
| 19:14:52 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 19:15:26 | codemnky | hi % |
| 19:16:28 | MarkNovak | slaps numatrix around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:16:36 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 19:20:04 | VerxWork | hey |
| 19:20:23 | VerxWork | does anyone know if there is someplace to download a complete copy of the alphabetical class list html pages from trolltech? |
| 19:20:28 | VerxWork | I want an "offline" copy of the docs |
| 19:21:11 | darienm | testing... please ignore |
| 19:21:43 | darienm2 | hrm. |
| 19:21:46 | darienm2 | can you see this text? |
| 19:21:47 | darienm2 | I can't see it in my primary client. |
| 19:21:48 | MarkNovak | sie senior |
| 19:21:49 | darienm2 | this, of course, being my secondary client. |
| 19:21:50 | darienm | wow - major lag. |
| 19:21:54 | darienm2 | Can anyone see THIS TEXT, that comes from 'darienm2' ?? |
| 19:21:56 | darienm | now it starts to come thru. |
| 19:21:57 | MarkNovak | I can |
| 19:22:04 | darienm | there was a 30 second delay. |
| 19:22:27 | MarkNovak | what client are you on ? |
| 19:22:33 | darienm | testing one. |
| 19:22:36 | darienm2 | testing two |
| 19:22:39 | darienm2 | ahh, better. |
| 19:22:56 | darienm | I have both SNAK and FIRE open on my Mac OS X box right now. |
| 19:28:25 | darienm2 | okay, Fire may be an okay multiple-service IM client, but it suxorz for IRC. |
| 19:28:33 | darienm2 | enough of this. |
| 19:33:16 | ChipX86 | has anybody here developed Zaurus apps that use SDL and know why I'm getting "No available video device?" |
| 19:33:42 | MarkNovak | say what? |
| 19:34:35 | ChipX86 | MarkNovak: I'm writing a small game that uses the SDL graphics framework library. It's giving me that error when it tries to initialize |
| 19:34:54 | rikkus | ChipX86: I get exactly the same error |
| 19:35:00 | rikkus | ChipX86: I have no idea why, sorry |
| 19:35:09 | ChipX86 | ok. np |
| 19:35:19 | rikkus | ChipX86: (compiled SDL on the Z, latest CVS) |
| 19:36:20 | ChipX86 | I tried with a custom-compiled SDL 1.2.4 on the PC, cross-compiled for the Zaurus, and I also tried with the libSDL package that already exists for the Z, so I'm thinking something just isn't being called right |
| 19:37:44 | rikkus | right |
| 19:37:52 | rikkus | it's weird, because I've seen other SDL apps works |
| 19:38:05 | rikkus | I compiled it per the instructions (README.Qtopia) |
| 19:38:10 | MarkNovak | so when I put the z in the cradle, does it automatically start handshaking? |
| 19:38:15 | prpplague | kergoth: is it beer 30 yet? |
| 19:38:22 | ChipX86 | rikkus: yeah, and testsprite works |
| 19:39:15 | rikkus | ChipX86: oh, didn't see that. All the examples I tried failed. Damn, I deleted all the stuff now :} |
| 19:39:50 | ChipX86 | rikkus: I didn't actually compile that myself. I'm using the one that came with the libSDL ipkg |
| 19:40:44 | rikkus | oh, I see |
| 19:41:04 | rikkus | I didn't use that, because I wanted to be sure there were no bogus #defines set in the headers |
| 19:41:06 | kergoth` | prpplague: i wish |
| 19:41:24 | ChipX86 | I think I'll go e-mail the guy from eongames who packaged it |
| 19:41:52 | kergoth` | ChipX86: he's NeoTron/Neo|Work in here, fyi |
| 19:41:54 | rikkus | ChipX86: you could try #SDL too, on this server |
| 19:42:06 | rikkus | just found out that existed |
| 19:42:50 | ChipX86 | kergoth`: oh, thanks |
| 19:44:01 | ChipX86 | rikkus: ok, I'll check in there after I try a few more things |
| 19:44:29 | rikkus | is grepping the channel's logs for Zaurus and Qtopia |
| 19:45:39 | rikkus | kergoth`: using OZ, where do I put files if I want them to show in the Documents tab, but be on CF ? |
| 19:45:49 | rikkus | made /mnt/cf/Documents and put a file in there but it didn't show up |
| 19:47:23 | saargwe | hey, has anyone used the Z as a car mp3 player? what kind of battery life do you get playing mp3's with no frontlight? |
| 19:47:56 | rikkus | ChipX86: looks like the 'mad bomber' game comes with source, perhaps you can use that to see what it does, because it does actually work |
| 19:48:19 | ChipX86 | oh, didn't even think about that one. I'll check that |
| 19:48:48 | George- | warmi: I'm back |
| 19:48:56 | rikkus | ChipX86: also: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/brickout/download/ |
| 19:50:17 | MarkNovak | anyone here have gngb? |
| 19:51:34 | kergoth` | rikkus: any files you put in /mnt/cf/ will show up on the docs tab, just liek the sharp rom |
| 19:51:43 | kergoth` | rikkus: but it doesnt refresh immediately, i dont believe. |
| 19:51:54 | rikkus | kergoth`: ok, thanks |
| 19:52:00 | rikkus | waits :) |
| 19:53:29 | rikkus | I think it's time to pull that trick which removes every-file-on-cf from Documents |
| 19:53:49 | Neo|Work | ChipX86: wassup? |
| 19:54:06 | rikkus | considering I just switched the documents tab to view 'All' file types and 30s later it's hung |
| 19:54:11 | ChipX86 | Neo|Work: hey. I'm trying to get a game I'm writing to use SDL on the zaurus, but it keeps saying it can't initialize the video device |
| 19:54:12 | Neo|Work | libSDL? If so I no longer maintain the ipks of itt |
| 19:54:12 | ChipX86 | any ideas? |
| 19:54:26 | Neo|Work | ok, one idea: what resolution do you choose? |
| 19:54:52 | ChipX86 | 240x320, but the error is at the SDL_Init() |
| 19:55:54 | ChipX86 | <ChipX86> 240x320, but the error is at the SDL_Init() |
| 19:56:13 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 19:56:15 | Neo|Work | what flags to SDL_Init/ |
| 19:56:20 | ChipX86 | SDL_INIT_VIDEO |
| 19:56:34 | rikkus | bbl |
| 19:59:13 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 19:59:22 | Neo|Work | sure the SDL library is correct? |
| 19:59:28 | Neo|Work | is this on the Zaurus or on desktop testing? |
| 19:59:40 | Neo|Work | and do you link correctly with SDL_main etc? |
| 19:59:42 | ChipX86 | I've tried linking statically against a pre-built library that came in an ipkg, and against one I compiled |
| 19:59:53 | ChipX86 | I cross-compiled the binary on my desktop for the Zaurus, and ftp'd it there |
| 20:00:01 | ChipX86 | yeah, I'm linking statically with SDL_main |
| 20:00:06 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 20:00:09 | ChipX86 | and SDL, and SDL_image |
| 20:00:15 | Neo|Work | don't know off the top of my head... |
| 20:00:36 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 20:00:39 | ChipX86 | thanks anway |
| 20:01:12 | MarkNovak | was sprachen ihre alle sprechen? |
| 20:03:38 | kergoth` | hrm |
| 20:03:46 | BigBoss | sprechen sie deutsch? |
| 20:04:03 | kergoth` | my CF ide card is being misidentified as a generic memory device, and its trying to load memory_cs |
| 20:04:04 | kergoth` | wtf |
| 20:05:45 | MarkNovak | jaja |
| 20:06:10 | MarkNovak | ich wohne in Oestereich |
| 20:06:56 | MarkNovak | wo wohnst du Shawn? |
| 20:07:27 | scanline | is back (gone 06:54:04) |
| 20:07:28 | BigBoss | Ich bin veruckt |
| 20:07:32 | BigBoss | <sp> |
| 20:07:53 | MarkNovak | what the hell |
| 20:08:05 | mrluisp | he's crazy |
| 20:08:15 | MarkNovak | what are you trying to say there Shawn? |
| 20:09:12 | kergoth` | hrm |
| 20:09:18 | kergoth` | cardctl ident returns no product info available |
| 20:09:20 | kergoth` | grr! |
| 20:09:25 | wParam | anyone know if the zaurus use a 512 meg viking cf card? |
| 20:09:25 | MarkNovak | isnt that a bitch? |
| 20:09:28 | MarkNovak | I hate when that happens |
| 20:09:36 | qurve | hey bigboss |
| 20:09:39 | qurve | had a question for you |
| 20:09:42 | qurve | If you're still around. |
| 20:09:51 | MarkNovak | hes around |
| 20:09:54 | wParam | I don't want to have issues with it like I had with the sandisk 128 meg sd |
| 20:10:06 | George- | kergoth`: may I say that a sledgehammer solves everything? |
| 20:10:22 | George- | wParam: CF cards are pretty generic afaik |
| 20:10:30 | wParam | cool |
| 20:10:43 | wParam | thinking of getting that and replacing my current mp3 player |
| 20:10:44 | George- | it's mark! |
| 20:10:46 | George- | runs |
| 20:10:56 | MarkNovak | yes yes its me |
| 20:11:01 | MarkNovak | dont get excited |
| 20:11:05 | George- | MarkNovak: not you =P |
| 20:11:06 | mark | boo George- |
| 20:11:07 | MarkNovak | damn |
| 20:11:13 | George- | mark: ARGH!!! |
| 20:11:13 | wParam | though I have to test battery life first |
| 20:11:23 | George- | eats mark's bandwidth |
| 20:12:19 | MarkNovak | where can I get libSDL? |
| 20:12:31 | | kergoth` was last seen on #zaurus 3 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: grr! [Thu Aug 15 21:09:20 2002] |
| 20:12:31 | scanline | ibot: seen kergoth`? |
| 20:12:40 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 20:12:45 | | MarkNovak was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen MarkNovak? [Thu Aug 15 21:12:45 2002] |
| 20:12:45 | MarkNovak | ibot: seen MarkNovak? |
| 20:12:53 | George- | lol |
| 20:12:54 | MarkNovak | ok thanks |
| 20:12:59 | | MarkNovak: de nada |
| 20:12:59 | MarkNovak | ibot: thanks |
| 20:13:05 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 20:13:07 | MarkNovak | he cracks me up |
| 20:13:15 | MarkNovak | I heard that was an actual guy typing all that really ast |
| 20:13:17 | George- | MarkNovak: ask NeoTron about libSDL |
| 20:13:17 | MarkNovak | fast |
| 20:13:21 | George- | LOL |
| 20:13:27 | | MarkNovak is nothing but a spongy enema-bucketful of sheep-biting red dye number-9. |
| 20:13:27 | George- | ibot insult MarkNovak |
| 20:13:32 | MarkNovak | oh man |
| 20:13:41 | MarkNovak | that guy types fast as hell |
| 20:13:49 | | MarkNovak is nothing but a spam-sucking accumulation of frothy cat-hair-balls. |
| 20:13:49 | George- | ibot insult MarkNovak |
| 20:13:56 | George- | it's an infobot, run by Tangent.. |
| 20:14:02 | MarkNovak | its amazing how accurate he is too |
| 20:14:04 | MarkNovak | its like he knows me |
| 20:14:11 | qurve | He does. |
| 20:14:15 | qurve | That's the beauty of black magic. |
| 20:14:24 | cranch | any honest people in here :) |
| 20:14:33 | MarkNovak | no |
| 20:14:35 | cranch | haha |
| 20:14:43 | George- | cranch: If you regard telling lies as being honest, then yes |
| 20:14:49 | qurve | I am honest when < $1000 is involved. |
| 20:14:58 | George- | LOL |
| 20:15:08 | cranch | hehe |
| 20:15:42 | MarkNovak | my computer is so slow |
| 20:15:54 | | Sorry, MarkNovak, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 20:15:54 | MarkNovak | ibot: shutup |
| 20:16:01 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 20:16:22 | | I can't find the headlines. |
| 20:16:22 | cranch | ibot: slashdot |
| 20:16:22 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 20:16:22 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 20:16:22 | MarkNovak | he has a response to everything |
| 20:16:23 | | no! he'll ... hurt me! |
| 20:16:23 | George- | ibot kill kergoth |
| 20:16:30 | George- | lol |
| 20:16:35 | MarkNovak | what the hell was that |
| 20:16:38 | | George-: sorry... |
| 20:16:38 | George- | ibot slashdot, you stupid dumb bot |
| 20:17:07 | George- | does a warcry, and unleashes Windows 95 on ibot |
| 20:17:14 | George- | omg |
| 20:17:17 | George- | slashdot is DOWN |
| 20:17:23 | George- | NOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 20:17:23 | MarkNovak | no its not |
| 20:17:25 | MarkNovak | im there right now |
| 20:17:26 | kergoth` | George-: liar |
| 20:17:33 | George- | strange |
| 20:17:37 | George- | I can't get thru |
| 20:17:39 | MarkNovak | maybe your internet is down |
| 20:17:39 | scanline | hi kergoth` |
| 20:17:41 | MarkNovak | oh... wait.... |
| 20:17:45 | George- | MarkNovak: shut up =P |
| 20:17:49 | MarkNovak | :) |
| 20:17:52 | kergoth` | hey scanline |
| 20:17:54 | | MarkNovak: i'm not following you... |
| 20:17:54 | MarkNovak | ibot: I love you |
| 20:17:57 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 20:17:57 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 20:18:07 | MarkNovak | thats enough |
| 20:18:08 | codemnky | heh |
| 20:18:12 | scanline | kergoth`: I sent you a libpng3.mk and some updated picogui .mk's this morning |
| 20:18:16 | George- | aha |
| 20:18:19 | George- | I'm thru |
| 20:18:25 | kergoth` | scanline: yep, I got it. I'll add it to cvs in a few |
| 20:18:34 | scanline | sweet |
| 20:18:42 | MarkNovak | scanline? I remember when those were big in web design |
| 20:19:03 | scanline | has never been big in web design ;) |
| 20:19:49 | kergoth` | damnit |
| 20:20:16 | George- | hey, gcc 3.2 released |
| 20:20:17 | George- | *nice* |
| 20:20:20 | kergoth` | yep |
| 20:20:50 | mark | binary compatible with 3.1? |
| 20:20:52 | George- | squeels |
| 20:21:11 | George- | I dunno |
| 20:21:20 | George- | I'll ask franzo? |
| 20:21:25 | ChipX86 | I don't think it is |
| 20:21:28 | kergoth` | mark: not for c++, no. the ABI changed. |
| 20:21:37 | George- | ABI? |
| 20:21:47 | kergoth` | George-: google is your friend. :-P |
| 20:21:52 | mark | kergoth`: again. grrr :). oh well, at least its apparently stable now |
| 20:22:10 | kergoth` | mark: indeed. |
| 20:22:21 | George- | kergoth`: ass :) |
| 20:22:24 | | George-: huh? |
| 20:22:24 | George- | ibot ABI |
| 20:22:26 | scanline | notes an advantage of C over C++.. far fewer ABI compatibility issues |
| 20:22:30 | | George-: what? |
| 20:22:30 | George- | ibot google abi |
| 20:22:35 | mark | scanline: indeed |
| 20:22:36 | George- | ibot search google for ABI |
| 20:22:38 | | George-: Google can't find ABI |
| 20:22:47 | mark | so presumably kernel's, libc etc are fine compiling with 3.x? |
| 20:22:51 | scanline | and no name mangling!! |
| 20:22:59 | | George-: huh? |
| 20:22:59 | George- | ibot: you're SOO dumb |
| 20:23:03 | George- | ibot search for ABI |
| 20:23:23 | scanline | George-: they have these web browser things, you should use one... |
| 20:23:29 | codemnky | hears ibot searching |
| 20:23:34 | George- | scanline: what, like lynx? :) |
| 20:23:38 | scanline | George-: yep |
| 20:23:44 | George- | scanline: oh no, wait, you mean Internet Explorer? |
| 20:23:44 | George- | *g* |
| 20:23:45 | George- | runs |
| 20:23:51 | scanline | yeek! |
| 20:24:01 | kergoth` | mark: yes |
| 20:24:03 | codemnky | thinks i bot got lost |
| 20:24:15 | whardier | scanline is home already? |
| 20:24:19 | George- | mark: what's the status with KDE and gcc 3.x? |
| 20:24:36 | scanline | whardier: nope, our flight is actually tomorrow... gonkulator remembered the departure date wrong :) |
| 20:24:36 | mark | George-: it works |
| 20:24:42 | George- | mark: and KSaCo? |
| 20:24:53 | George- | ducks |
| 20:25:08 | whardier | scanline: heh! I hate when that happens |
| 20:25:13 | mark | George-: probably doesn't :) |
| 20:25:19 | George- | mark: you suck! =P |
| 20:25:23 | whardier | I missed by a month once :) |
| 20:25:25 | George- | mark: I haven't tried KLatin |
| 20:25:31 | George- | mark: chances are it won't :) |
| 20:25:51 | mark | George-: lots of people did stuff in function declerations they wren't meant to, and it doesnt like it apparently |
| 20:25:59 | George- | ? |
| 20:26:10 | Tenchi | George-: you use CF cards in your UnoMas card reader ? |
| 20:26:24 | George- | Tenchi: yes |
| 20:26:27 | George- | Tenchi: and SD |
| 20:26:32 | Tenchi | George-: can you hot swap them ? |
| 20:26:43 | George- | explain hot-swap |
| 20:26:46 | George- | taking out whilst mounted? |
| 20:26:50 | Tenchi | pop them out, put others in, etc |
| 20:26:57 | George- | yes, sort of |
| 20:27:04 | MarkNovak | GUYS HELP |
| 20:27:04 | George- | first time, it mounts OK |
| 20:27:05 | MarkNovak | qsocket::writeblock : socket is not open |
| 20:27:06 | Tenchi | what devices do these guys show up as ? |
| 20:27:18 | George- | second time, it complains about a io error |
| 20:27:24 | George- | but the 2nd time, it still works |
| 20:27:28 | George- | regardless of the error |
| 20:27:49 | George- | /dev/sdaX == SD card |
| 20:27:58 | George- | /dev/sdbX == SmartMedia card |
| 20:28:02 | George- | /dev/sdcX == CF card |
| 20:28:09 | George- | /dev/sddX == Memory Stick |
| 20:28:14 | Tenchi | so they show up as scsi drives ? |
| 20:28:19 | George- | yes |
| 20:28:24 | whardier | scsi generic |
| 20:28:25 | George- | it's seen as a SCSI device |
| 20:28:30 | Tenchi | sd or sg ? |
| 20:28:42 | George- | sd |
| 20:28:44 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 20:28:48 | Tenchi | hrm |
| 20:28:50 | whardier | they enter as scsi generic devices and register themselves as block devices |
| 20:28:55 | Tenchi | /proc/scsi shows nothing for me :( |
| 20:29:05 | mark | George-: i cant view slashdot comments |
| 20:29:16 | George- | mark: what? |
| 20:29:20 | kergoth` | Tenchi: is the usb-storage module loaded? |
| 20:29:22 | George- | mark: I'm not slashdot tech support, dude |
| 20:29:32 | mark | hows qt2 with gcc3? |
| 20:29:32 | Tenchi | kergoth`: doesnt look like it |
| 20:29:33 | scanline | haha |
| 20:29:43 | George- | Tenchi: It won't work if the computer BOOTED with the thing plugged in |
| 20:29:44 | scanline | y0 gonkulator |
| 20:29:49 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 20:29:51 | George- | Tenchi: you've gotta d/c it, and r/c it |
| 20:29:52 | kergoth` | Tenchi: there ya go. either load the appropriate modules yourself, or use hotplug |
| 20:29:56 | George- | Tenchi: then it sorta warms up |
| 20:30:04 | George- | Tenchi: and then the LEDs go to full |
| 20:30:06 | kergoth` | George-: thats odd, my usb reader doesnt do that |
| 20:30:08 | George- | Tenchi: then it shows up |
| 20:30:14 | Tenchi | machine was on all day, i plugged the reader into the usb slot w/o rebooting |
| 20:30:17 | whardier | punches gonkulator |
| 20:30:19 | Tenchi | the leds are all on |
| 20:30:19 | George- | kergoth`: I'm running 2.4.10, might be kernel specific? |
| 20:30:21 | ChipX86 | ahh, got SDL working. |
| 20:30:21 | whardier | I wanted my scanline home! |
| 20:30:24 | George- | Tenchi: I know |
| 20:30:29 | George- | Tenchi: unplug, and insert it again |
| 20:30:30 | gonkulator | whardier: what did I do? |
| 20:30:34 | George- | Tenchi: and which kernel? |
| 20:30:41 | whardier | you stole my scanline! |
| 20:30:48 | whardier | without it.. things just look weird.. |
| 20:30:52 | George- | lolz |
| 20:30:54 | kergoth` | Tenchi: i'd recommend hotplug. |
| 20:30:55 | Tenchi | 2.4.9-34 from redhat |
| 20:31:05 | George- | should work |
| 20:31:11 | George- | I'm running 2.4.10 from SuSE 7.3 |
| 20:31:11 | gonkulator | whardier: how did I steal your scanline? |
| 20:31:18 | whardier | you just did! |
| 20:31:20 | George- | it claims to work in 2.2.0 and later |
| 20:31:22 | codemnky | notes the LP eth card has to be installed in order to get connectivity |
| 20:31:23 | George- | er.. |
| 20:31:24 | whardier | all evidence points to you |
| 20:31:25 | George- | 2.4.0 |
| 20:31:27 | Tenchi | there we go |
| 20:31:30 | Tenchi | unplugged it |
| 20:31:32 | Tenchi | and plugged it back in |
| 20:31:44 | Tenchi | now i get direct access driver loaded |
| 20:31:45 | Tenchi | funky |
| 20:31:49 | George- | hehe |
| 20:31:54 | | raster was last seen on #zaurus 14 hours, 19 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: :) [Thu Aug 15 07:12:07 2002] |
| 20:31:54 | scanline | ibot: seen raster? |
| 20:31:57 | George- | it works? :) |
| 20:32:18 | whardier | gonkulator: you would have a good mind to ignore mine :) |
| 20:32:40 | gonkulator | whardier: you lost me |
| 20:32:51 | bizaarre | any documentation/technical specifications of openzaurus? are they with the source? |
| 20:32:52 | whardier | are you a bot? |
| 20:33:04 | Tenchi | hrmmmm |
| 20:33:06 | gonkulator | a bot I am not |
| 20:33:10 | scanline | chuckles at whardier confusing gonkulator |
| 20:33:11 | Tenchi | direct access driver loaded for MMC/SD |
| 20:33:13 | Tenchi | but nothing else |
| 20:33:23 | George- | try modprove usb-storage |
| 20:33:24 | gonkulator | threatens scanline with hamster dance |
| 20:33:27 | George- | modprobe |
| 20:33:28 | scanline | nooooo |
| 20:33:29 | rikkus | ChipX86: what was the problem ? |
| 20:33:44 | whardier | casts a web of uncontrolable laughter at scanline |
| 20:33:44 | Tenchi | usb-storage seems to be loaded |
| 20:33:44 | whardier | there.. |
| 20:33:46 | whardier | ever |
| 20:33:51 | whardier | try to take a hysterical shit? |
| 20:34:02 | ChipX86 | rikkus: I was attempting to use SDL 1.2.4, which did not have qtopia support (it's a shame it didn't say that with I gave configure the flag) |
| 20:34:15 | ChipX86 | rikkus: so I got CVS and rebuilt that one, and statically linked |
| 20:34:31 | rikkus | ChipX86: hmm, ok, I must have had a different problem then (using CVS myself) |
| 20:34:38 | ChipX86 | rikkus: which OS are you using? |
| 20:34:49 | scanline | whardier: like that webcam picture you posted? |
| 20:35:01 | rikkus | ChipX86: Linux on Zaurus :) |
| 20:35:07 | ChipX86 | ah, ok :) |
| 20:35:07 | whardier | scanline :) |
| 20:35:13 | kergoth` | cardmgr[1182]: socket 0: Anonymous Memory |
| 20:35:16 | whardier | I can get more of those |
| 20:35:16 | kergoth` | damn you! |
| 20:35:18 | kergoth` | its NOT anonymous memory |
| 20:35:20 | kergoth` | !! |
| 20:35:21 | rikkus | ChipX86: I compiled it all on the Zaurus itself, to avoid problems (or so I thought ;) |
| 20:35:23 | ChipX86 | if you were cross-compiling using RedHat, I'd send the rpm I made for it |
| 20:35:39 | whardier | kergoth` ? What the fuck is Anonymous Memory? |
| 20:35:55 | rikkus | ChipX86: second time I tried it, I installed distcc and compiled on the Zaurus, with my dual athlon doing most of the real work. Went a bit faster ;) |
| 20:36:02 | gonkulator | throws four /dev/nulls at whardier |
| 20:36:10 | ChipX86 | rikkus: I can imagine :) |
| 20:36:22 | whardier | degonkulates gonkulator |
| 20:36:27 | Tenchi | fooey |
| 20:36:27 | whardier | you are /dev/null |
| 20:36:37 | kergoth` | whardier: anonymous memory is a device it loads when it cant figure out what the hell card you inserted. |
| 20:36:40 | kergoth` | whardier: beyond that, i have no idea |
| 20:36:52 | rikkus | wonders why sshd on OZ just died randomly for no reason |
| 20:36:54 | gonkulator | goes *pop* |
| 20:36:57 | whardier | heh |
| 20:37:18 | George- | kergoth`: you have the right to stay anonymous |
| 20:37:27 | kergoth` | whardier: hm. dump_cis says no CIS present.. |
| 20:37:27 | kergoth` | wtf |
| 20:37:28 | Tenchi | ok SD card seems to work |
| 20:37:38 | George- | Tenchi: cool |
| 20:37:40 | George- | Tenchi: hahaha |
| 20:37:59 | erikd | aww man |
| 20:38:09 | erikd | windows is completely screwed up on my system |
| 20:38:32 | gonkulator | erikd: you can leave off the "on my system" part |
| 20:38:36 | Tenchi | but CF is still not seen |
| 20:38:50 | Tenchi | /proc/scsi/scsi only shows an entry for MMC/SD |
| 20:38:56 | erikd | i just booted it to play cs and... uh. the 2 hd paritions didn't show up and neither did my burner |
| 20:39:11 | Tenchi | LOL |
| 20:39:15 | erikd | now i know why i spend most of my time in linux :) |
| 20:39:24 | Tenchi | and i was just REALLy impressed that i was able to copy a 48MB file to the sd card in like 3 seconds |
| 20:39:28 | Tenchi | but |
| 20:39:42 | Tenchi | now that im unmounting it and it's just sitting there i realize it only copied it to a buffer cache |
| 20:39:47 | Tenchi | and now the unmount is syncing it :) |
| 20:39:53 | Tenchi | i hate let downs like that |
| 20:39:55 | rikkus | Tenchi: :) |
| 20:40:03 | rikkus | Tenchi: I added 'sync' to the options in fstab |
| 20:40:37 | George- | lol |
| 20:40:45 | George- | rikkus: you have a card reader? |
| 20:40:50 | rikkus | George-: yes |
| 20:40:52 | George- | which one? |
| 20:41:13 | rikkus | George-: a black one |
| 20:41:23 | George- | lol |
| 20:41:28 | erikd | ah, found my 2k cd. bbiab, gonna run rescue on it |
| 20:41:30 | rikkus | made in china |
| 20:41:33 | rikkus | with no brand name on it |
| 20:41:36 | George- | lol |
| 20:41:39 | George- | it works on Linux? |
| 20:41:43 | rikkus | yeeees |
| 20:41:51 | George- | lucky :) |
| 20:41:55 | rikkus | not really |
| 20:42:03 | rikkus | Linux supports such things just fine |
| 20:42:11 | George- | hrmm |
| 20:42:15 | George- | my CF card USB reader don't work =P |
| 20:42:26 | rikkus | well, that's your fault ;) |
| 20:42:34 | George- | hrmmph |
| 20:42:42 | Tenchi | George-: your CF not working? |
| 20:42:51 | George- | rm -rf rikkus.info://tkcmail.tar.gz |
| 20:43:01 | rikkus | installed usb-storage module / |
| 20:43:01 | rikkus | ? |
| 20:43:02 | George- | Tenchi: my *other* CF reader |
| 20:43:07 | George- | Tenchi: I have 3 =P |
| 20:43:11 | rikkus | George-: 403 |
| 20:43:13 | Tenchi | yeah usb-storage module is loaded |
| 20:43:17 | George- | rikkus: hehe |
| 20:43:49 | George- | Tenchi: 2 I got for like, $5 (1 PCMCIA one which works and 1 USB which doesn't) |
| 20:43:55 | George- | Tenchi: and the unomas |
| 20:44:12 | Tenchi | yeah my father in law has a pcmcia one that works well |
| 20:44:15 | Tenchi | nice and fast |
| 20:44:30 | George- | the PCMCIA is *really* fast |
| 20:44:32 | Tenchi | i wonder, do they make PCMCIA SD card readers ? |
| 20:44:36 | George- | yes |
| 20:44:45 | George- | but they aren't straight electronics :) |
| 20:44:46 | rikkus | the USB one is really fast too |
| 20:44:52 | rikkus | bottleneck is the CF itself |
| 20:44:53 | George- | rikkus: PCMCIA is faster =P |
| 20:44:59 | rikkus | er, ok |
| 20:45:05 | whardier | blah |
| 20:45:16 | Tenchi | What's the xfer rate of CF ? |
| 20:45:23 | rikkus | slow |
| 20:45:23 | George- | Tenchi: a few MB/s |
| 20:45:27 | George- | like, 1.5 |
| 20:45:28 | George- | ;) |
| 20:45:36 | fusion94 | is away: food...shower....not in that order |
| 20:45:36 | Tenchi | what's the throughput of USb ? |
| 20:45:41 | George- | 12Mbps |
| 20:45:44 | Tenchi | i thought throughput of USB was quite low... like 1Mbps or something |
| 20:45:46 | Tenchi | oh 12? |
| 20:45:50 | George- | yah |
| 20:45:50 | Tenchi | well that's not extremly bad |
| 20:45:50 | George- | 12 |
| 20:45:53 | rikkus | 12 for USB 1.1 |
| 20:46:03 | George- | 480 for USB 2 |
| 20:46:06 | George- | or something like that |
| 20:46:13 | rikkus | lots more for USB 2.0, but neither the Z nor my CF reader do that |
| 20:46:14 | Tenchi | heh not bad |
| 20:46:33 | George- | I wonder what firewire's like |
| 20:46:41 | Tenchi | what's the speed of PCI bus ? |
| 20:46:48 | George- | depends |
| 20:46:54 | Tenchi | isnt 66Mhz PCI only like 300 or something |
| 20:47:07 | George- | i dunno |
| 20:47:15 | George- | what's 64-bit PCI like? |
| 20:47:24 | rikkus | lots |
| 20:47:28 | rikkus | who cares ? |
| 20:47:34 | George- | not me |
| 20:47:44 | Tenchi | welp i'm gonna reboot this pos and see if i can get cf to work |
| 20:47:45 | Tenchi | brb |
| 20:47:45 | rikkus | enough for quite a large number of SCSI RAID arrays |
| 20:47:52 | George- | lol |
| 20:48:01 | whardier | George- its like: not emulated :) |
| 20:51:56 | whardier | DAMN YOU |
| 20:52:02 | VerxWork | can anyone tell me where I can get an electronic copy of the trolltech docs for 2.3? |
| 20:52:03 | whardier | LET THE RABBITS WEAR GLASSES! |
| 20:52:54 | Cloudchaser_ | :) sleep well |
| 20:53:04 | whardier | wget? |
| 20:53:12 | VerxWork | whardier: heh |
| 20:53:19 | kergoth` | whardier: they can wear glasses, I'm all for it |
| 20:53:23 | kergoth` | shoots things randomly |
| 20:53:25 | mickeyl | Verx: acrobat 5 has a fine recursive website --> pdf |
| 20:53:55 | whardier | and surprisingly.. konqeuror renders html -> pdf/ps quite well |
| 20:54:16 | whardier | personally.. I would use wget |
| 20:54:23 | whardier | make a script to render them with konq |
| 20:54:33 | whardier | use image magich and crop and expand the pdf files |
| 20:54:37 | whardier | and then go home ans smoke a bong |
| 20:54:59 | rikkus | VerxWork: is HTML not good ? |
| 20:55:17 | rikkus | uses the man pages |
| 20:55:21 | VerxWork | rikkus: I do too |
| 20:55:22 | rikkus | including inside vim |
| 20:55:28 | VerxWork | but I am gonna be away from net for the entire weekend |
| 20:55:29 | VerxWork | and tomorrow |
| 20:55:34 | rikkus | man2html |
| 20:56:08 | rikkus | is too |
| 20:56:14 | rikkus | going to develop tkcMail on a train :) |
| 20:56:26 | VerxWork | oh |
| 20:56:30 | VerxWork | it COMES with the Qt install |
| 20:56:31 | VerxWork | rofl |
| 20:56:33 | mark | rikkus: btw, where is East wherever-you-live? |
| 20:56:35 | VerxWork | that rocks! :) |
| 20:56:41 | rikkus | VerxWork: :} |
| 20:56:42 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:56:45 | whardier | I just realized |
| 20:56:55 | whardier | that in corrective laser surgery for eyes |
| 20:56:55 | rikkus | mark: How do you know where I live ? :} |
| 20:56:57 | whardier | they use a karatome |
| 20:57:00 | George- | uses the woman pages |
| 20:57:03 | whardier | isn't that IRONIC! |
| 20:57:04 | George- | VerxWork: the trolltech IDE has all the docs |
| 20:57:06 | George- | er.. |
| 20:57:08 | George- | s/IDE/SDK |
| 20:57:16 | George- | VerxWork: silly sod :) |
| 20:57:21 | George- | rikkus: you live in the UK, that's all I know |
| 20:57:22 | mark | rikkus: i got told when you purchased Knights :) |
| 20:57:28 | George- | rikkus: somewhere north of london :) |
| 20:57:35 | rikkus | mark: ah, bastards |
| 20:57:38 | George- | LOL |
| 20:57:44 | rikkus | mark: The north east of England |
| 20:58:02 | mark | rikkus: ah okay. |
| 20:58:11 | mark | rikkus: i'd just never heard of it :) |
| 20:58:21 | rikkus | you're not likely to |
| 20:58:30 | rikkus | it's a small farming village |
| 20:59:05 | George- | rikkus: called...? |
| 20:59:17 | rikkus | George-: East Boldon |
| 20:59:23 | George- | "Rik Hemsley's Small Farming Village" |
| 20:59:23 | George- | :) |
| 20:59:26 | George- | oh |
| 20:59:30 | George- | East Boldon? |
| 20:59:32 | George- | never heard of it :) |
| 20:59:39 | mark | rikkus: ah I see |
| 20:59:41 | | rikkus: what? |
| 20:59:41 | rikkus | ibot slap George- |
| 20:59:46 | | rikkus: what? |
| 20:59:46 | rikkus | ibot: nothing |
| 20:59:49 | | rikkus: what? |
| 20:59:49 | rikkus | ibot: nothing |
| 20:59:54 | | rikkus is nothing but a dread-bolted enema-bucketful of porous guano. |
| 20:59:54 | George- | ibot insult rikkus |
| 21:00:04 | | rikkus: excuse me? |
| 21:00:04 | rikkus | ibot: take that back! |
| 21:00:10 | | rikkus: excuse me? |
| 21:00:10 | rikkus | ibot: you're excused |
| 21:00:18 | | rikkus: i'm not following you... |
| 21:00:18 | rikkus | ibot: GOTO 10 |
| 21:00:24 | rikkus | indeed |
| 21:00:55 | George- | LOL |
| 21:01:35 | MarkNovak | can someone point me to a file manager so I dont have to use qtopia desktop? |
| 21:01:48 | whardier | points |
| 21:01:49 | George- | points |
| 21:01:52 | George- | argh |
| 21:01:55 | George- | whardier: ass, you beat me |
| 21:01:58 | whardier | you so owe me a soda |
| 21:02:05 | rikkus | MarkNovak: there are at least 3 |
| 21:02:13 | George- | kio_fish!!!!! |
| 21:02:18 | MarkNovak | ok |
| 21:02:20 | rikkus | MarkNovak: qpe-filemanager, opie-advancedfm, tkcExplorer |
| 21:02:26 | MarkNovak | which one's free? |
| 21:02:31 | rikkus | the first 2 |
| 21:02:39 | George- | kio_fish =PPPPPP |
| 21:02:45 | MarkNovak | thanks rik |
| 21:02:48 | whardier | thats a lot of tounging |
| 21:03:11 | cranch | no shat |
| 21:03:13 | George- | whardier: da |
| 21:03:19 | rikkus | George-: need perl for that |
| 21:03:20 | whardier | ____ |
| 21:03:20 | whardier | _____| _ \ |
| 21:03:20 | whardier | |_____| |_) | |
| 21:03:20 | whardier | |_____| __/ |
| 21:03:20 | whardier | |_| |
| 21:03:20 | whardier | |
| 21:03:21 | George- | 'lo Tenchiiiiiiiii |
| 21:03:27 | George- | whardier: hahaha |
| 21:03:30 | Tenchi | George-: hey can you paste me your /proc/scsi/scsi again ? |
| 21:03:31 | George- | rikkus: ? |
| 21:03:35 | George- | da |
| 21:03:38 | rikkus | George-: ? |
| 21:03:46 | George- | need perl for what? |
| 21:03:49 | rikkus | kio-fish |
| 21:04:00 | George- | do u? |
| 21:04:12 | rikkus | why do you think I said you do ? |
| 21:04:32 | George- | argh |
| 21:04:33 | Tenchi | thanks |
| 21:04:35 | George- | why are you so matter-of-fact? |
| 21:04:37 | George- | =P |
| 21:04:42 | Tenchi | looks like they use different LUNs |
| 21:05:03 | George- | hrmm? |
| 21:05:09 | Tenchi | a doc at omniflashproducts says i had to add the other luns manually |
| 21:05:12 | George- | this is a laptop, if it's any help |
| 21:05:35 | Tenchi | <George-> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 21:05:36 | Tenchi | <George-> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 01 |
| 21:05:41 | Tenchi | see how the first is Lun 0 |
| 21:05:44 | Tenchi | and the 2nd is lun 01 |
| 21:05:48 | George- | and...? |
| 21:05:54 | Tenchi | this doc here says i may have to add them manually |
| 21:05:58 | Tenchi | but i tried and they're still not showing up |
| 21:06:00 | George- | strange |
| 21:06:02 | kergoth` | ARGH |
| 21:06:06 | kergoth` | !@%#@ %@%@ !%#!!@&% |
| 21:06:10 | George- | it works here p'n'p |
| 21:06:14 | George- | hits kergoth` |
| 21:06:22 | kergoth` | DIE |
| 21:06:24 | George- | pulls kergoth`s beard |
| 21:06:47 | Tenchi | i think maybe redhat doesnt have their kernel setup to auto detect luns |
| 21:06:58 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:07:11 | Tenchi | so now i gotta figureout what the mask means |
| 21:07:23 | George- | lol, have fun |
| 21:07:32 | MSpin | aww, shit |
| 21:07:36 | George- | get SuSE :) |
| 21:07:38 | Tenchi | ah there we go |
| 21:07:45 | Tenchi | echo "scsi add-single-device 1 0 0 1" > /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 21:07:48 | MSpin | I hate it when I fill up the flash |
| 21:08:01 | Tenchi | first number is scsi bus, 2nd is scsi channel, 3rd is id, 4th is lun # |
| 21:08:45 | kergoth` | stabs his desk |
| 21:08:58 | whardier | takes away kergoths guns and knives |
| 21:09:02 | George- | pulls kergoth`s beard |
| 21:09:03 | George- | again... |
| 21:09:09 | Tenchi | got it |
| 21:09:10 | whardier | kergoth has a beard? |
| 21:09:15 | George- | no |
| 21:09:17 | George- | =P |
| 21:09:22 | whardier | I would have thought he was all prissy |
| 21:09:22 | Tenchi | got all 4 in the /proc/scsi/scsi and i can mount both cards |
| 21:09:25 | Tenchi | George-: thanks for your help! |
| 21:09:30 | George- | Tenchi: heh, ok |
| 21:09:40 | mickeyl | kergoth`: are the smb modules included in oz |
| 21:09:46 | mickeyl | ) |
| 21:09:48 | mickeyl | ? |
| 21:09:48 | Tenchi | this rox |
| 21:10:01 | | kergoth` is nothing but a beef-witted accumulation of acidic jizzum. |
| 21:10:01 | George- | ibot insult kergoth` |
| 21:10:08 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:10:10 | | redhat is nothing but a low-quality gob of clapper-clawed Stimpy-drool. |
| 21:10:10 | Tenchi | ibot insult redhat |
| 21:10:13 | whardier | hiot acidic beef injection |
| 21:10:17 | | kergoth` is nothing but an hasty-witted pile of uninspiring anal warts. |
| 21:10:17 | George- | ibot insult kergoth` |
| 21:10:18 | | kergoth` is nothing but a thick mass of measled poopy. |
| 21:10:18 | George- | ibot insult kergoth` |
| 21:10:20 | | kergoth` is nothing but a malodorous gob of pointy-nosed cat-hair-balls. |
| 21:10:20 | George- | ibot insult kergoth` |
| 21:10:21 | | kergoth` is nothing but a beef-witted accumulation of pignutted urine samples. |
| 21:10:21 | George- | ibot insult kergoth` |
| 21:10:22 | | kergoth` is nothing but an horn-beat assload of fen-sucked yoo-hoo. |
| 21:10:22 | George- | ibot insult kergoth` |
| 21:10:23 | | kergoth` is nothing but a thick plate of humid pond scum. |
| 21:10:23 | George- | ibot insult kergoth` |
| 21:10:23 | Tenchi | straight from the horses mouth |
| 21:10:23 | George- | ;) |
| 21:10:26 | whardier | beats the holy crap out of george! |
| 21:10:29 | George- | that was fun |
| 21:10:34 | George- | </flood> |
| 21:10:57 | whardier | viles the holy crap for use against ass sucking poo monsters |
| 21:11:06 | | whardier is nothing but a tickle-brained stack of rude-snouted cold sores. |
| 21:11:06 | George- | ibot insult whardier |
| 21:11:55 | Tenchi | <ibot> kergoth` is nothing but a thick mass of measled poopy. |
| 21:11:58 | Tenchi | that's a good one |
| 21:12:01 | Tenchi | measled poopy |
| 21:12:16 | George- | <ibot> kergoth` is nothing but an hasty-witted pile of uninspiring anal warts. |
| 21:12:19 | George- | anal warts????? |
| 21:12:21 | George- | ;) |
| 21:12:23 | whardier | yum |
| 21:12:36 | George- | whardier: you sick, sick person |
| 21:12:43 | whardier | is chewing gum |
| 21:12:45 | whardier | you prevert |
| 21:12:51 | George- | wh00t |
| 21:12:55 | George- | me? |
| 21:12:57 | whardier | you |
| 21:13:09 | George- | why? |
| 21:13:15 | whardier | prevert |
| 21:13:27 | George- | wtf is a prevert? |
| 21:13:39 | George- | wh00t? |
| 21:14:03 | whardier | >>> George- [~Test@m180-mp1.cvx2-b.bre.dial.ntli.net] requested unknown ctcp VIRUS TRANSFER ACTIVATED from whardier |
| 21:14:09 | whardier | aww c'mon baby |
| 21:14:11 | George- | damn |
| 21:14:12 | George- | ;) |
| 21:14:16 | whardier | I don't want your VD! |
| 21:14:28 | George- | argh, bitch-bloody-x |
| 21:14:48 | whardier | hehe.. I am the one using it.. you prevert.. not you :) |
| 21:15:01 | George- | WTF IS A PREVERT? |
| 21:15:20 | whardier | sprinkles holy crap all over George- |
| 21:15:21 | whardier | begone now |
| 21:15:21 | whardier | ! |
| 21:15:53 | Tenchi | http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=prevert |
| 21:16:37 | whardier | http://xtream.online.fr/Prevert/ |
| 21:16:51 | whardier | thats.. a prevert |
| 21:16:53 | rikkus | preverts look at pr0n |
| 21:19:20 | rikkus | wonders what the difference between using ext2 or minix on cf would be |
| 21:19:35 | whardier | puts George-'s name on the blackboard if misfortune |
| 21:19:55 | rikkus | ... /topic <George-> WTF IS A PREVERT? |
| 21:20:15 | MarkNovak | topic |
| 21:20:45 | George- | oh no |
| 21:21:05 | George- | rikkus: isn't that a *pervert*? |
| 21:21:19 | Speedy2 | re |
| 21:21:20 | George- | yo Speedy2 |
| 21:21:27 | Speedy2 | Hi George |
| 21:21:32 | rikkus | George-: you're so sharp, it's a wonder you don't cut yourself |
| 21:22:04 | George- | cuts rikkus |
| 21:22:07 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 21:22:46 | kergoth` | hrm |
| 21:22:52 | Speedy2 | I kergoth |
| 21:22:53 | Speedy2 | Hi |
| 21:22:55 | kergoth` | hey Speedy2 |
| 21:22:58 | whardier | Woah! |
| 21:22:59 | whardier | http://membres.lycos.fr/trium/ |
| 21:23:00 | George- | cuts kergoth` |
| 21:23:04 | whardier | how did lycos do that ad? |
| 21:23:40 | George- | with a computer? |
| 21:23:55 | whardier | you muther fucker! |
| 21:24:09 | kergoth` | can someone, on their Z, with a CF card inserted, do a cat /proc/bus/pccard/00/status|grep status; for me? |
| 21:24:09 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 21:24:11 | Speedy2 | hahaha |
| 21:24:31 | George- | kergoth`: why? :) |
| 21:24:44 | kergoth` | George-: debugging the pcmcia support in 2.5.x on the Z |
| 21:25:25 | darienm | George-: did you run out of your meds yesterday? |
| 21:25:39 | George- | status : SS_DETECT SS_READY SS_POWERON SS_IOCARD SS_STSCHG SS_3VCARD |
| 21:25:41 | Speedy2 | Anyone else having trouble getting to Slashdot |
| 21:25:57 | George- | darienm: I never had any meds, the doctors couldn't find anything strong enough |
| 21:26:01 | rikkus | Speedy2: yes, my brain won't let me |
| 21:26:05 | kergoth` | hrm. |
| 21:26:11 | kergoth` | George-: thanks |
| 21:26:18 | Speedy2 | cuts rikkus |
| 21:26:20 | George- | s'ok |
| 21:26:31 | George- | kergoth`: Now ADMIT, you have a beard! |
| 21:27:08 | Speedy2 | Mozilla is going f'ing nuts here |
| 21:27:33 | whardier | has a chiny chin chin |
| 21:27:35 | George- | Speedy2: it doesn't like you |
| 21:27:47 | George- | whardier: you have a stupid pingizauru as well :) |
| 21:27:53 | George- | That fat thing.... |
| 21:27:57 | George- | ducks |
| 21:28:10 | whardier | haha |
| 21:28:16 | whardier | George- tries to hit where it hurts |
| 21:28:21 | whardier | but instead hits where nothing exists |
| 21:29:02 | whardier | its supposed to be fat.. do you know how fucked it would look if it werent? I personally have never wanted to see a skinny pingizauru in a bikini |
| 21:29:30 | kergoth` | there's an image. |
| 21:29:33 | scanline | hugs pingizauru |
| 21:29:36 | whardier | exactly |
| 21:29:48 | scanline | put a micropingizauru in his touchscreen calibrator theme |
| 21:29:50 | whardier | pnigizauru is happy being obese |
| 21:30:00 | whardier | pnigi! |
| 21:30:00 | whardier | heh |
| 21:30:07 | whardier | anyhoot.. off to go get fitted for a tux |
| 21:30:10 | whardier | no matter how fucked that sounds |
| 21:30:35 | Speedy2 | whardier: You killed a penguin and you are going to wear it's skin? Bastard. |
| 21:30:56 | whardier | showing up to a wedding wearing a devil.. is just bad luck |
| 21:31:12 | Speedy2 | scanline: Yo. |
| 21:31:23 | scanline | hi Speedy2 |
| 21:32:06 | kergoth` | George-: do a cat /proc/bus/pccard/00/status|grep cs_flags; for me? |
| 21:32:39 | scanline | kergoth`: I might have some more patches for ya soon :) |
| 21:33:39 | mrwoody | when i save a file in a qtopia application, the title of the window changes, but not when i load it... how to make it chnage also when i load it? |
| 21:35:29 | George- | kergoth`: ok |
| 21:35:39 | George- | cs_flags : SS_IOCARD SS_OUTPUT_ENA |
| 21:36:26 | kergoth` | hrm |
| 21:36:30 | kergoth` | mine doesnt have IOCARD |
| 21:36:31 | kergoth` | wtf |
| 21:36:37 | kergoth` | greps around |
| 21:36:47 | Speedy2 | Use the Source Navigator! |
| 21:36:51 | Speedy2 | greps kergoth |
| 21:37:36 | George- | grabs kergoth`s beard, and yanks it hard |
| 21:37:45 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 21:38:28 | MarkNovak | hey guys |
| 21:38:48 | MarkNovak | im trying to run a file... "File Name.fil" |
| 21:38:57 | MarkNovak | it doesnt let me run it if there are spaces |
| 21:38:59 | MarkNovak | what do I do? |
| 21:39:10 | George- | precede each space with a \ |
| 21:39:17 | MarkNovak | ok thanks baby |
| 21:40:34 | George- | gtg |
| 21:44:35 | George- | yo zaurus |
| 21:45:26 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 21:45:29 | Speedy2 | That's an interesting one |
| 21:45:36 | zaurus | hi. i'm new to irc and have yet to figure out where my name goes. |
| 21:46:43 | MarkNovak | guys |
| 21:46:47 | MarkNovak | how do I run a file name with spaces? |
| 21:46:48 | George- | ? |
| 21:46:51 | George- | nickname? |
| 21:46:58 | MarkNovak | quotes dont work, |
| 21:47:01 | George- | precede each space with a \ |
| 21:47:05 | George- | I told you |
| 21:47:09 | MarkNovak | yyeah that doesnt work |
| 21:47:17 | MarkNovak | like what would I write, could you give me an example? |
| 21:47:19 | George- | should do |
| 21:47:30 | George- | say the filename is "Blah blah blah.blah |
| 21:47:45 | MarkNovak | yes, thats what it is |
| 21:47:47 | George- | type: Blah\ blah\ blah.blah |
| 21:49:11 | zaurus | i'm going to leave and come back |
| 21:49:22 | Harlekin | kergoth`: ping |
| 21:49:29 | kergoth` | Harlekin: pong |
| 21:49:34 | Harlekin | kergoth`: need you as beta tester |
| 21:49:35 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:49:37 | zaurus | as myself. although zaurus is kinda cool |
| 21:49:46 | kergoth` | Harlekin: hah, for what? |
| 21:49:53 | Harlekin | kergoth`: hmm, guess what |
| 21:49:53 | zaurus | . |
| 21:49:54 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:50:02 | George- | type /nick <nickname> |
| 21:50:02 | Harlekin | kergoth`: come to the appropiate channel |
| 21:50:03 | Harlekin | -) |
| 21:50:08 | George- | to save logging out |
| 21:51:19 | zaurus | am i michael now? |
| 21:51:47 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 21:53:02 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:53:14 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe i just saw a preview for xXx movie |
| 21:53:23 | angry | in linux what command can you use to get the entire size of the files in a certain folder? |
| 21:53:48 | michael_s | du -s |
| 21:54:27 | Cloudchaser_ | last night i had a folder show as 11 mb that really only had 1.4 mb in it |
| 21:54:33 | Cloudchaser_ | zaurus reported size wrong |
| 21:54:49 | Speedy2 | Cloudchaser_: Doesn't "XXX" look amazingly retarded? |
| 21:55:03 | Cloudchaser_ | i uninstalled program and installed to CF instead and it was 1.4 mb |
| 21:55:19 | Cloudchaser_ | Speedy2: i didn't see the whole thing, just at the end the xXx |
| 22:04:47 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser_: do you think they intentionally use 'xxx' to make it more attractive to teenage boys? :) |
| 22:07:49 | Harlekin | oh, good movie on tv |
| 22:08:12 | Cloudchaser_ | Neo|Work: probably |
| 22:08:28 | Cloudchaser_ | just don't google for that movie title! |
| 22:08:39 | Cloudchaser_ | you'll get every porn site in the world ;) |
| 22:08:40 | Harlekin | 1885 |
| 22:08:45 | Harlekin | you might find some stuff |
| 22:08:56 | Harlekin | 19 |
| 22:09:00 | Harlekin | 84 |
| 22:09:03 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe |
| 22:09:07 | rikkus | good way to avoid it getting found on peer-to-peer networks |
| 22:09:24 | George- | ? |
| 22:09:33 | Cloudchaser_ | rikkus: very true |
| 22:09:37 | rikkus | George-: you're pretty clueless, aren't you ? |
| 22:09:42 | Cloudchaser_ | but could search on Vin Deisel i suppose |
| 22:10:02 | kergoth` | rikkus: he's 14, naive :) |
| 22:10:16 | George- | rikkus: yeh |
| 22:11:29 | rikkus | An infinite number of monkeys walk into a bar and say everything. |
| 22:11:29 | rikkus | |
| 22:11:33 | rikkus | joke of the day |
| 22:12:08 | mark_ | does the 'im back in linux' dance |
| 22:12:24 | George- | lol |
| 22:12:49 | MarkNovak | I wish... |
| 22:13:01 | MarkNovak | I wish Zaurus could run Pocket PC programs |
| 22:13:10 | George- | NOOOO |
| 22:13:12 | George- | slaps MarkNovak |
| 22:13:12 | rikkus | There's this elephant and this mouse, and they're walking along, and the elephant says, "How come I'm so big and powerful, and you're so small and puny?" And the mouse says. "Well, I haven't been well." |
| 22:13:18 | rikkus | another one, as a bonus |
| 22:13:20 | MarkNovak | ouch |
| 22:13:32 | George- | i don't get that |
| 22:13:34 | George- | ... |
| 22:13:35 | MarkNovak | me either |
| 22:13:41 | MarkNovak | slaps rikkus around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:13:56 | rikkus | MarkNovak: are you from the US ? |
| 22:13:59 | MarkNovak | you made that one up yourself rikkus? |
| 22:14:00 | MarkNovak | sure |
| 22:14:06 | rikkus | MarkNovak: aaaah |
| 22:14:07 | MarkNovak | Chicago, Americka |
| 22:14:16 | MarkNovak | Americkah? |
| 22:14:19 | rikkus | "Americans just don't get it," say Europeans. |
| 22:14:24 | rikkus | "Get what?" say Americans. |
| 22:14:33 | MarkNovak | So... are you english? |
| 22:14:37 | rikkus | yes |
| 22:14:51 | MarkNovak | why do you guys hate the Irish so much? |
| 22:14:55 | rikkus | we don't |
| 22:15:00 | MarkNovak | thats not what I hear |
| 22:15:02 | rikkus | the Irish hate us though |
| 22:15:05 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 22:15:08 | rikkus | not as much as the Scots do though |
| 22:15:08 | MarkNovak | maybe thats what I heard |
| 22:15:27 | MarkNovak | Amerikaners hate Brits too |
| 22:15:34 | rikkus | well, you come from the country where people think that Norway is the capital of Sweden |
| 22:15:44 | MarkNovak | its not? |
| 22:15:52 | rikkus | :) |
| 22:15:57 | MarkNovak | wink wink |
| 22:16:30 | rikkus | brits just can't be bothered to hate anyone, except perhaps americans |
| 22:16:39 | MarkNovak | Why dont you go drink some tea? |
| 22:17:00 | mark_ | rikkus: yeh, americans are pretty disliked |
| 22:17:04 | MarkNovak | looks down at beer belly |
| 22:17:20 | AAA | st00pid ameriKKKans |
| 22:17:20 | kergoth`work | goes home |
| 22:18:37 | MarkNovak | im gonna go get fat and sweaty |
| 22:18:42 | MarkNovak | bye |
| 22:27:45 | rikkus | has yet another joke |
| 22:27:57 | rikkus | This girl game up to me and asked for a double entendre. |
| 22:28:01 | rikkus | So I gave her one. |
| 22:28:12 | Wintre | grins |
| 22:28:39 | George- | double entendre? |
| 22:29:14 | rikkus | watches that one fly over George-'s head, following the others. |
| 22:29:28 | George- | ermmm |
| 22:29:40 | Wintre | mumbles something about dict |
| 22:29:46 | George- | what? |
| 22:29:53 | George- | What's a double entendre? |
| 22:29:54 | rikkus | Wintre: George is English. |
| 22:30:07 | George- | I am? |
| 22:30:09 | George- | hrmm |
| 22:30:18 | Wintre | I thought he was just a young'un |
| 22:30:19 | rikkus | George-: something you'd know about if you got out more ;) |
| 22:30:22 | George- | are Londoners classified as English? |
| 22:30:30 | George- | I thought they were outcasts |
| 22:30:30 | Wintre | rikkus: Well, be that as it may, I won't hold it against him ;) |
| 22:31:55 | rikkus | George-: try this one: |
| 22:31:58 | rikkus | What was the badger doing in the sky? Falling |
| 22:32:04 | George- | hrmm |
| 22:32:13 | George- | what happens if he was above the atmosphere? |
| 22:32:16 | George- | he'd be floating |
| 22:33:00 | Wintre | Not necessarily |
| 22:33:37 | gonkulator | is away: grocery store |
| 22:33:49 | scanline | is away: also going to the grocery store |
| 22:34:18 | ljp | if the badger was in a RoadRunner cartoon, he may be flying |
| 22:34:42 | George- | lol |
| 22:35:01 | rikkus | What's got 2 legs and bleeds ? |
| 22:35:05 | rikkus | Half a dog. |
| 22:35:05 | George- | rikkus: are you sure I'm english? |
| 22:35:47 | rikkus | tries on #kde instead |
| 22:36:03 | George- | rikkus: oh, KDE developer humour ;) |
| 22:36:04 | ljp | or maybe #bad_jokes |
| 22:36:19 | rikkus | ljp: you can do better? |
| 22:36:20 | George- | or maybe #solitary-confinement |
| 22:36:37 | George- | rikkus: a man walked into a bar... "ouch" |
| 22:36:41 | George- | hahahaha... |
| 22:37:17 | George- | tortures everyone tell they LAUGH |
| 22:38:40 | George- | gtg |
| 22:39:15 | ljp | ya-- why'd the chicken cross the road? Cause he was safety pinned to the punk rocker |
| 22:46:14 | bizaarre | why did the tomato blush? cause it saw the salad dressing! |
| 22:46:56 | bizaarre | why did six hate seven? cause seven eight nine! |
| 22:47:13 | Cloudchaser_ | i think ya'all better stick to coding |
| 22:47:18 | bizaarre | lol |
| 22:52:32 | raster | blaaah |
| 22:52:53 | Neo|Work | hey there |
| 22:53:01 | Neo|Work | having some "fun"? :) |
| 22:53:03 | raster | Neo|Work: mooonin! |
| 22:53:06 | raster | nah |
| 22:53:08 | raster | @ work |
| 22:53:11 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 22:53:14 | raster | windows ce coding |
| 22:53:33 | Cloudchaser_ | that's blasphemy! |
| 22:53:40 | Neo|Work | You know, I had no idea you were from AU until I read that interview with you |
| 22:53:43 | raster | Cloudchaser_: it' |
| 22:53:48 | raster | Cloudchaser_: it's money. |
| 22:53:58 | Neo|Work | money is good |
| 22:54:12 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe yeah i know.. i'm just messin with you |
| 22:54:18 | Cloudchaser_ | whats AU? |
| 22:54:30 | raster | Neo|Work: hahahah yup. grew up in sydney. grew up in germany too earlier on. been around. |
| 22:54:42 | raster | Cloudchaser_: BLASPHEMY!. AU == OZ == Australia |
| 22:54:43 | raster | :) |
| 22:54:49 | raster | hehehe |
| 22:54:53 | Cloudchaser_ | ah hehe i thought it was a company |
| 22:54:59 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 22:55:13 | Cloudchaser_ | what was the interview for then? |
| 22:55:19 | raster | Neo|Work: there seems to be a disproportionate number of linxu hackers from .au compared to most cuntries. (relative to population) |
| 22:56:18 | Cloudchaser_ | i want to go to australia some day |
| 22:56:30 | ChipX86 | hey raster |
| 22:56:39 | Cloudchaser_ | my mom when for a vacation there once |
| 22:57:04 | raster | Cloudchaser_: did she keep clear of the drop-bears? |
| 22:57:05 | raster | :) |
| 22:57:21 | raster | ChipX86: yo yo yo :) |
| 22:57:23 | Cloudchaser_ | drop-bears? |
| 22:57:28 | raster | hehehe |
| 22:57:40 | raster | looks like you haven't been warned of drop bears |
| 22:57:45 | raster | you know koalas? |
| 22:57:49 | Cloudchaser_ | yep |
| 22:57:58 | raster | drop bears are like koalas |
| 22:58:09 | raster | but they are active maonly at dusk and night |
| 22:58:14 | raster | they have large clws |
| 22:58:18 | raster | sharp teeth |
| 22:58:24 | raster | and they drop down from the trees on their prey |
| 22:58:29 | raster | they normally go fo rsmall animals |
| 22:58:31 | raster | like numbats |
| 22:58:34 | Cloudchaser_ | sounds scary |
| 22:58:35 | raster | small dogs |
| 22:58:36 | raster | dingos |
| 22:58:49 | raster | young kangaroos and wallabies (joeys) |
| 22:58:59 | raster | but sometiems attack humans if theyr' ehungry |
| 22:59:07 | raster | they can rip the crap out of you wiht their claws |
| 22:59:21 | raster | they can kill children and seriously main adults if your'e not careful. |
| 22:59:35 | raster | we also have 9 of the top 10 most poisonous snakes in the world |
| 22:59:40 | Cloudchaser_ | that i read |
| 22:59:48 | raster | our shorlines have sharks of all kinds |
| 22:59:49 | Cloudchaser_ | my son watches Animal Planet too |
| 22:59:59 | raster | blue bottel jelly fish to sting and permenantly scar you |
| 23:00:02 | raster | box jellyfish |
| 23:00:08 | Cloudchaser_ | you on anti-tourism council? |
| 23:00:08 | raster | butterfly fish to poison you |
| 23:00:19 | raster | rock fish to sting you though your feert & shoes |
| 23:00:33 | raster | giant clams to trap you underwater |
| 23:00:42 | raster | not to mention we have no ozone layer |
| 23:00:44 | Cloudchaser_ | we have gang wars and disease carrying mosquitos |
| 23:00:49 | raster | so 10 minutes outside and you sizzle |
| 23:00:54 | raster | hehehe |
| 23:00:56 | Cloudchaser_ | car jackers |
| 23:00:57 | raster | no i'm just a local |
| 23:01:00 | raster | i know how to survive |
| 23:01:04 | raster | jusrt passing on the knowledge |
| 23:01:05 | raster | :) |
| 23:01:08 | Cloudchaser_ | its all relative ;) |
| 23:01:12 | raster | the peoelin .au are nice |
| 23:01:19 | raster | because we have enough natural nasties to deal with |
| 23:01:20 | raster | :) |
| 23:01:24 | Cloudchaser_ | i still wanna go there |
| 23:01:43 | raster | is amazed Cloudchaser_ bought the drop-bear story |
| 23:01:45 | raster | :) |
| 23:02:01 | Cloudchaser_ | well i never did hear of them |
| 23:02:09 | Cloudchaser_ | but yes i suppose i am gullible ;) |
| 23:02:15 | raster | hehee |
| 23:02:22 | raster | its a standard story us ozzies tell people |
| 23:02:25 | raster | most foreigners buy it |
| 23:02:26 | raster | :) |
| 23:02:33 | raster | cause we have enuf wierd creatures |
| 23:02:41 | raster | another one is perfectly in-line :) |
| 23:02:42 | Cloudchaser_ | including the locals, i see ;) |
| 23:02:46 | raster | but the rest is true |
| 23:02:47 | raster | :) |
| 23:03:53 | Cloudchaser_ | My son watches steve irwin (sp) the crocodile guy on animal planet |
| 23:04:17 | raster | that guy is completely nuts |
| 23:04:22 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe yeah |
| 23:04:28 | raster | no one wiht any sanity woudl do the shit he pulls |
| 23:04:36 | raster | thats why most of us ossies still live |
| 23:04:38 | Cloudchaser_ | a few cards short of a deck for sure |
| 23:04:45 | raster | and al the british tourists that come to .au die |
| 23:04:54 | raster | they do silly things |
| 23:04:59 | raster | like drive to the outback |
| 23:05:02 | raster | with their rental car |
| 23:05:18 | raster | and kind of forget that .au is about 200 times the size of .uk |
| 23:05:23 | raster | and run out of petrol |
| 23:05:24 | raster | and water |
| 23:05:28 | raster | and die out there |
| 23:05:34 | raster | cause no one bloody lives there |
| 23:05:37 | Cloudchaser_ | nods |
| 23:05:43 | raster | and so no one will fidn them for weeks |
| 23:05:57 | Cloudchaser_ | i saw a show once.. trains across australia |
| 23:06:43 | Cloudchaser_ | anyway.. i want to see the whole world |
| 23:06:55 | Cloudchaser_ | probly never will be able to afford to do that anyway |
| 23:07:03 | Cloudchaser_ | is a dreamer |
| 23:08:37 | cranchy | anyone here know apache? |
| 23:08:38 | cranchy | :) |
| 23:08:43 | cranchy | I'm trying to get mod_sql to work |
| 23:09:26 | ljp | I knew an apache once.. man was he mean! |
| 23:10:12 | raster | Cloudchaser_: it's worth seeing the world. it's a great place. though there's somehting to be said about home - and for me sydney is home. always will be. if i live anywhere else its just habitating away from home for a while. |
| 23:10:34 | raster | cranchy: yeah. apache. this internet server right? :)_ |
| 23:11:02 | Cloudchaser_ | raster: i'll figure out a way |
| 23:11:45 | raster | Cloudchaser_: make lots of money - that helps often |
| 23:11:45 | raster | :) |
| 23:12:03 | cranchy | yup |
| 23:12:07 | cranchy | haha |
| 23:12:08 | Cloudchaser_ | thats' the thing i haven't figured out how to do yet ;( |
| 23:12:10 | cranchy | nice ljp |
| 23:13:33 | codemnky | hey kergoth |
| 23:13:36 | codemnky | or roge |
| 23:14:47 | ljp | I'm annoyed at people who forget the zaurus _is a PDA!_ |
| 23:14:54 | MarkNovak | yeah |
| 23:14:59 | MarkNovak | well I was on my zaurus laptop the other day |
| 23:15:03 | Cloudchaser_ | it is? |
| 23:15:10 | Cloudchaser_ | a PDA? |
| 23:15:14 | codemnky | does anyone know where the tiny tab icons are stored |
| 23:15:16 | codemnky | and used |
| 23:15:38 | Cloudchaser_ | ljp: whats got you annoyed? |
| 23:15:41 | ljp | grrrrr |
| 23:16:04 | ljp | people that expect it to function like a desktop.. be as fast.. etc |
| 23:16:22 | cranchy | anyone know mysql and apache? |
| 23:16:28 | Cloudchaser_ | ah..fast i don't expect |
| 23:16:32 | Neo|Work | raster: perhaps. Don't really keep track. :P |
| 23:16:33 | codemnky | waves hand |
| 23:16:44 | darienm | cranchy: what about mysql and apache? specific to the Zaurus? |
| 23:16:45 | Cloudchaser_ | although pda functions i did expect to work a bit better out of the box |
| 23:16:50 | codemnky | been using apache and mysql for years and years |
| 23:16:53 | cranchy | not specific to the z, but could be |
| 23:17:03 | ljp | but you dont knwo that unless you try it |
| 23:17:03 | cranchy | I jacked my apache.conf up |
| 23:17:06 | darienm | cranchy: ask away |
| 23:17:06 | ljp | whoops |
| 23:17:08 | cranchy | so i can't get mysql support in apache |
| 23:17:21 | cranchy | or mod_sql support I should say |
| 23:17:26 | raster | ljp: it is as fats.. well as fast as my first pentium pc years ago :) as much ram as well. juts a bit short on the disk space dept :) |
| 23:17:51 | codemnky | raster do you know where the tiny icons tabs images are stored on the Z |
| 23:17:52 | raster | tho i do have to say qt's redrawing is nasty |
| 23:17:54 | codemnky | i'm trying to find them |
| 23:18:07 | raster | it looks but ugly watching it piecemeal handle expose and do redraws |
| 23:18:09 | ljp | true, I have a few boxes slower and smaller ram/hd wise sitting right here |
| 23:18:36 | Cloudchaser_ | i havent' been too disappointed with the performance |
| 23:18:37 | raster | codemnky: i assume the .desktop file sin he dirs for the tabs will tell you |
| 23:18:52 | codemnky | hmm |
| 23:18:53 | raster | its not really that limited grunt-wise |
| 23:18:56 | raster | just storage |
| 23:19:04 | raster | and i dont htink peole code for that level of cpu much |
| 23:19:09 | raster | they expect much faster these days |
| 23:19:16 | raster | so i think code could od with some optimising |
| 23:19:32 | ljp | the big slowdown is qtopia |
| 23:19:38 | codemnky | it says |
| 23:19:42 | codemnky | Icon=AppsIco |
| 23:19:43 | ljp | and the framebuffer |
| 23:20:07 | cranchy | did I stump you guys ? |
| 23:20:07 | cranchy | haha |
| 23:20:12 | codemnky | but where is that little buger |
| 23:21:03 | codemnky | found'em |
| 23:22:09 | cranchy | i don't like mysql |
| 23:22:24 | raster | ljp: there's nothgin wrong wiht the framebuffer. its justa amtter of managing it properly |
| 23:22:24 | raster | :) |
| 23:22:35 | raster | qtopia could do with soe help in the speedup dept |
| 23:22:37 | raster | still |
| 23:22:41 | raster | qt has a very nice api design |
| 23:22:42 | raster | :) |
| 23:23:12 | raster | i might have evas ported to qt in a day thanks to qdirectpainter |
| 23:23:43 | whardier | uh |
| 23:23:44 | raster | i'll just use my onw image loading/rendering/scaling etc. code |
| 23:23:52 | whardier | evas ported to QT eh? |
| 23:24:03 | whardier | this world has gone quite silly |
| 23:25:58 | raster | nah |
| 23:25:59 | fusion94 | wait until he ports enlightenment over |
| 23:26:08 | raster | but i'm ging to port it this weekend/week |
| 23:26:10 | whardier | that would be pimp |
| 23:26:21 | raster | i've been investigating best way to do it |
| 23:26:25 | raster | this will be a qtopia port |
| 23:26:27 | whardier | :) |
| 23:26:27 | raster | not full qt |
| 23:26:41 | whardier | has been hoping to sit down long enough to make evas do his bidding |
| 23:26:49 | Cloudchaser_ | what are you making raster? |
| 23:26:51 | whardier | tryint to make a program for a Television station for public announcements |
| 23:27:00 | fusion94 | Cloudchaser_: trouble more than likely |
| 23:27:18 | raster | whardier: hmmmm what you trying to do? |
| 23:27:23 | codemnky | yo wardier |
| 23:27:43 | ljp | public announcements like: "Debbie Hempseed please go to the free clinic?" |
| 23:27:44 | raster | Cloudchaser_: porting evas to qtopia - then will write a quick photo browser/editor to handle large images using it. |
| 23:28:03 | Cloudchaser_ | ah |
| 23:28:05 | raster | fusion94: finga-trouble. |
| 23:28:29 | whardier | raster: heh.. just need to feed evas some templates and read from an sql source for asome data |
| 23:28:40 | whardier | yo codemnky |
| 23:28:58 | raster | whardier: it shoudl be happy doing it. |
| 23:29:12 | whardier | I understand.. I have a billion projects that need to be done |
| 23:29:21 | raster | whardier: :) |
| 23:29:24 | raster | aaah |
| 23:29:25 | raster | i see |
| 23:29:25 | whardier | a minimal evas WM would be pimp too :) |
| 23:29:29 | raster | fair 'nuf |
| 23:29:34 | raster | well |
| 23:29:42 | raster | i have evil plans for a netwrok evas server |
| 23:29:47 | raster | for multi-clients |
| 23:29:57 | raster | so you attach to the evas sereva s aclient then play wiht objects |
| 23:29:58 | ljp | ya we still have no 3d pingizauru |
| 23:29:59 | whardier | actually.. that would make me wanna hump your leg |
| 23:30:07 | whardier | ljp: there is a good reason for that.. |
| 23:30:09 | raster | that will be the evil start of a evas windowing environment |
| 23:30:17 | whardier | its called making things chubby in 3d is difficult :) |
| 23:30:27 | whardier | I am learning blender so maybe you will have something soon |
| 23:30:35 | ljp | well just feed it more fish |
| 23:30:53 | whardier | hmm |
| 23:30:57 | whardier | opens the fish valve |
| 23:32:06 | ljp | oh.. damn |
| 23:34:29 | cranchy | nobody knows how to get mysql to use apache's mod_sql? |
| 23:34:39 | whardier | rather |
| 23:34:53 | whardier | anybody know how to get apackes mod_sql to use MySQL |
| 23:34:57 | whardier | anybody know how to get apaches mod_sql to use MySQL |
| 23:34:57 | whardier | heh |
| 23:36:28 | cranchy | yeah |
| 23:36:30 | whardier | raster: have you ever tried getting 3dwm to work? |
| 23:36:30 | cranchy | I should say that :) |
| 23:36:42 | whardier | cranchy: I actually have no clue :) |
| 23:37:08 | raster | whardier: nup. dont believe in that 3d stuff. |
| 23:37:09 | raster | its not a wm |
| 23:37:11 | raster | actually |
| 23:37:15 | raster | its an xserver |
| 23:37:20 | whardier | its a something.. heh.. |
| 23:37:29 | whardier | never gotten it to work as an Xserver |
| 23:37:37 | cranchy | hehe |
| 23:37:49 | raster | in order to function at all it has to be an xserver |
| 23:37:55 | raster | as all draw requests go to it |
| 23:38:01 | scanline | is back (gone 01:04:12) |
| 23:38:02 | raster | a wm dowsnt handle draw requests |
| 23:38:03 | whardier | raster: evas uses OpenGL right :) |
| 23:38:04 | raster | just window borders |
| 23:38:09 | gonkulator | is back (gone 01:04:32) |
| 23:38:13 | raster | whardier: the old evas 0.60.0 CAN uise opengl |
| 23:38:16 | raster | if you want it to |
| 23:38:21 | whardier | the new stuff doesn't want to? |
| 23:38:26 | raster | and ask it to use the gl engine in your program |
| 23:38:35 | raster | the default enignein is software unsing imlib2 |
| 23:38:36 | raster | the new code |
| 23:38:43 | raster | does use imlib2 at all |
| 23:38:43 | whardier | hmm |
| 23:38:54 | whardier | I liked the GL engine |
| 23:38:59 | raster | has a directfb, linux framebuffer, software x11 and windows ce dislpay engines |
| 23:39:07 | raster | gl engine will come back |
| 23:39:13 | raster | but not until i have some time |
| 23:39:17 | whardier | that totally made me happy |
| 23:39:33 | ljp | qtopia needs virtual desktops |
| 23:39:48 | whardier | raster: make an SDL engine.. just for redundancy sake |
| 23:39:57 | whardier | :) |
| 23:40:31 | raster | whardier: perfectly feasible. if i see a reason i'll do it |
| 23:40:41 | whardier | evas -> aalib :) |
| 23:40:42 | raster | but right now priority is qtopia port |
| 23:40:48 | raster | after that a gl engine |
| 23:40:55 | ChipX86 | whardier: now that would be fun to play with :) |
| 23:40:57 | raster | then likely symbian port |
| 23:41:27 | raster | prolyl soo nafter a macosx quickdraw engine |
| 23:41:38 | raster | and the gl engine can spawn windows and mac gl engines too easily |
| 23:41:44 | raster | i might do a driectx engine |
| 23:42:09 | raster | postscript engines woudl be useful |
| 23:42:12 | raster | and pdf |
| 23:42:14 | whardier | why did you start evas? |
| 23:42:18 | raster | so you can directly print your display |
| 23:42:23 | raster | whardier: efm. |
| 23:42:40 | raster | needed a display layer that woudlk accleerate all the fancy gfx i was doing in softwar eby hand using imlib2 |
| 23:42:49 | raster | it just didnt scale to scrolling about 1600x1200 windows of icons |
| 23:42:57 | raster | with mutliple layers of alpha channels layered |
| 23:43:07 | whardier | that all makes lots of sense.. |
| 23:43:11 | scanline | raster: it's all so you can have a parallax scrolled file manager, right? :) |
| 23:43:17 | whardier | I would have thought people would accept SDL for all that |
| 23:43:31 | raster | so i needed an abstraction that woudl stil work (maybe slowly) in softwate |
| 23:43:32 | scanline | SDL's alpha blending is kinda slow |
| 23:43:37 | raster | but coudl also use opengl and hware accel |
| 23:43:41 | raster | but i couldnt rely on opengl |
| 23:43:46 | whardier | good point |
| 23:43:47 | raster | as software opengl just sucks-arse speed wise |
| 23:43:56 | raster | so i had to have my own software back ends |
| 23:44:07 | whardier | evas is damn clever |
| 23:44:08 | raster | i also had a non alpha blending engine |
| 23:44:11 | Neo|Work | man, Just-In-Time compilation is cool to see in-action so to speak |
| 23:44:12 | whardier | SDL is portable |
| 23:44:14 | whardier | they should fuck |
| 23:44:19 | raster | for the realyl hardware-poor people |
| 23:44:35 | raster | that would use pasic pixmaps and xfillRectangle etc. |
| 23:44:46 | raster | so it'd be reasonably fast on even the lowest end machnies |
| 23:45:05 | whardier | :) |
| 23:45:07 | raster | scanline: yup :) |
| 23:45:14 | whardier | it would be cool to have a faster SDL as well :) |
| 23:45:33 | whardier | that handles layers like evas |
| 23:45:42 | raster | scanline: the the real reaosn for the featue was so you can have logos stickign in acorner and have the nice soft drop shdows on the edges an dthen have th ebg scroll- but the generalization of that engine allowed full parrallax :) |
| 23:45:51 | raster | hehehehe |
| 23:45:54 | scanline | raster: hehe, sweet |
| 23:45:58 | raster | layers in evas are a convenience only |
| 23:46:05 | raster | they dopnt change thigns performance-wise |
| 23:46:07 | raster | :) |
| 23:46:14 | raster | evas still draws from bottom to top |
| 23:46:14 | raster | BUT |
| 23:46:17 | raster | evas2 is a tad smarter |
| 23:46:25 | whardier | I was referring to the convenience :) |
| 23:46:26 | raster | sicn eit knwos everythg it will need to draw in advance |
| 23:46:34 | whardier | that made no sense |
| 23:46:45 | whardier | wow |
| 23:46:49 | whardier | do I really type like that! |
| 23:46:49 | raster | it clips out thngs underneath if whats on top will completely obscure (opaquely) a segemnt of the drawing region |
| 23:46:59 | raster | so you can place 10 jpegs ontop of eachother |
| 23:47:02 | raster | mvoe them all around |
| 23:47:05 | raster | etc. |
| 23:47:15 | raster | and evas will onyl even composit the top one where they intersect |
| 23:47:18 | raster | and ignroe the rest |
| 23:47:26 | whardier | :) |
| 23:47:31 | whardier | thats a nice optimization |
| 23:47:44 | raster | one of the reasons i went for a bit fo a rewrite of theinternals |
| 23:47:45 | raster | so i coudl do it |
| 23:47:52 | whardier | w3rd |
| 23:48:38 | whardier | a light evas wm for an Xserver is just what PDA's need |
| 23:48:46 | whardier | is in love with matchbox.. but it needs to be prettier |
| 23:49:00 | raster | why use an xserver at all? |
| 23:49:04 | whardier | and have a central icon center of sorts for tabbed application browsing |
| 23:49:05 | raster | :) |
| 23:49:15 | whardier | raster: the Xserver allows us to .. like.. not port shit :) |
| 23:49:43 | raster | ut it adds 2+mb to your flash image |
| 23:49:45 | scanline | bah xserver.... |
| 23:49:45 | raster | just tohave an xserver |
| 23:49:47 | raster | +xlibs |
| 23:49:49 | scanline | no need for X! |
| 23:49:56 | whardier | raster: that really doesn't matter to me |
| 23:49:57 | raster | you have to rewrite apsp for a pda formfactor anyway |
| 23:50:05 | whardier | the network transparency is a huge plus |
| 23:50:21 | scanline | raster: it depends |
| 23:50:25 | whardier | heh |
| 23:50:35 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/pda_clock.png |
| 23:50:46 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/pda_launcher1.png |
| 23:50:52 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 23:50:52 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/pda_launcher2.png |
| 23:50:52 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/pda_launcher3.png |
| 23:50:56 | whardier | oh yeah! http://segfault.bogomip.com/mia.jpg |
| 23:51:00 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/pda_player.png |
| 23:51:37 | Neo|Work | raster: that looks very nice |
| 23:51:45 | Cloudchaser_ | ooh that's pretty |
| 23:51:47 | whardier | raster: I actaully don't use a PDA as a PDA.. so I guess my viewpoint is different |
| 23:52:06 | ljp | thats e17? |
| 23:52:49 | whardier | raster: most applications for actual PDA'ness need to be rewritten and made beutifull.. everything else doesn't need to be |
| 23:53:10 | raster | scanline: in the majorit of cases youll have to rewrite the gui to fit on a pda screena nd not assume a mouse & kbd etc. so if yer doing that much.. mayaswell port :) |
| 23:53:29 | Neo|Work | raster: what are those shots from? making an alternative PDA OS? |
| 23:53:29 | raster | ljp: hahahaha no. its a pda environment built on evas. |
| 23:53:29 | raster | :) |
| 23:53:34 | scanline | raster: With PicoGUI I'm trying to make that less of an issue :) |
| 23:53:36 | whardier | having X on a PDA to me is massively helpfull and much prettier than Qtopia |
| 23:53:53 | ljp | ahh whatever it is its sweet lookin |
| 23:54:12 | ChipX86 | raster: is that something that you're actually running on your PDA? |
| 23:54:14 | Cloudchaser_ | raster: can you make the z do that? |
| 23:54:27 | ljp | maybe we can get kergoth to add a boot menu soon |
| 23:54:43 | scanline | will end up octuple-booting his Z... |
| 23:54:55 | scanline | X, evas, picogui, qt, gpe.... |
| 23:55:02 | raster | scanline: yup. it'd be godo to have that. i actualyl am goign to try a diffreent approach - where you degin the ui as a datafile and just have named widgets/parts/"scenes" and you can have a desktop layout for it or a pd layout - you can redesing the layout any tiem you want withotu touchgin the code.. and the layout determines what activates what widgets and sends what signals back to the code. |
| 23:55:08 | whardier | is looking forward to recieving a $1799 pda |
| 23:55:22 | raster | ChipX86: a much nwere version actualyl runs on my ipaq. |
| 23:55:27 | scanline | raster: we're working on something a lot like that for picogui |
| 23:55:42 | ChipX86 | raster: how useful is it right now? I assume it can only run programs written to run in its environment |
| 23:56:03 | raster | Cloudchaser_: technically yes - if i ditch qtopia entirely. it alreayd works in the fb and has its own touchscreen and console driver and evas handels the dislpay setupa nd rendering. |
| 23:56:24 | scanline | raster: how fast is that on the Z? |
| 23:56:29 | raster | ChipX86: currently it is one massive program that just likes like an environment :) so right now its not ready :) |
| 23:56:38 | ChipX86 | ahh, ok |
| 23:56:48 | Cloudchaser_ | raster: doesn't that limit it though? |
| 23:56:52 | scanline | raster: will evas2 eventually do network transparency? |
| 23:56:53 | ChipX86 | I would love to run an environment that looks like that |
| 23:56:53 | Cloudchaser_ | in terms of software? |
| 23:57:20 | Cloudchaser_ | ChipX86: me too but not if it limits software choices dramatically |
| 23:57:28 | raster | scanline: havent run it on the z - but have on the ipaq (same speed - identical) and its snappy and fast - does its job. scrolling is a tad nastier than qt - but then again it does scroll seveal layers of alpah blended objects with anti-alaising and tranlucenc (ala macos x). |
| 23:57:37 | raster | and unlike qtopia you dont get nasty redraw artifacts |
| 23:57:38 | raster | :) |
| 23:57:45 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:57:55 | scanline | raster: so how will you handle multiple apps? dlopen? |
| 23:57:59 | raster | Cloudchaser_: yup - thats why i have plans ofr an evas server - so mutlipl apps can share the same canvas. |
| 23:58:32 | Neo|Work | raster: redraw artifacts? |
| 23:58:38 | raster | scanline: yup. well not evas itself- but i'l lbuild a client-side lib thats the same api that just transports deltas across at render time. to the evas server (that uses evas to do the rendering then) |
| 23:58:47 | scanline | k |
| 23:58:49 | raster | scanline: evas server :) |
| 23:58:54 | scanline | that's cool |
| 23:58:57 | whardier | I love Bass guitar.. I love Tool - Swamp Song.. |
| 23:59:11 | scanline | Somebody should add double buffering to Qtopia.. it badly needs it |
| 23:59:16 | ljp | well, if you love it so much, why dont you marry it? |
| 23:59:18 | raster | Neo|Work: flip applicatiosn a bit on your z and watch it actualyl redraw as it goes and flicker into existance then finally stabilise |
| 23:59:34 | whardier | scanline: I am wanting to add sub pixel rendering to the framebuffer driver |
| 23:59:45 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:59:54 | whardier | that would be ugly yet pimp |
