| 00:00:55 | sumeet_p | what do you guys think about the BeOS' fs - BFS |
| 00:07:21 | sumeet_p | kergoth: that was it, forgot to make install glibc, thanks a lot for all your help, I owe you a beer |
| 00:07:34 | kergoth | sumeet_p: hah, nice. np |
| 00:09:54 | kergoth | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: |
| 00:09:55 | kergoth | 2.4.19 |
| 00:09:55 | kergoth | 2002-08-03 00:40 UTC |
| 00:09:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:10:01 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:10:07 | kergoth | it released finally |
| 00:12:32 | jmhodges | wha!? |
| 00:12:33 | jmhodges | YES |
| 00:12:37 | jmhodges | sweet! |
| 00:12:47 | jmhodges | new lunar iso should be out in 2 days then yes! |
| 00:12:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:12:52 | jmhodges | :D thanks for the great news kergoth |
| 00:13:00 | kergoth | np |
| 00:13:10 | kergoth | saw rik van riel mention it on #kernelnewbies |
| 00:13:17 | jmhodges | sweeet |
| 00:13:19 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 00:13:27 | sliide | cool i can get it and fix stupid usbnet thing |
| 00:13:31 | jmhodges | i should autojoin that |
| 00:13:37 | jmhodges | sliide: what stupiid usbdnet thing |
| 00:13:38 | jmhodges | ? |
| 00:13:43 | jmhodges | the max file size? |
| 00:13:45 | sumeet_p | sliide: wait! |
| 00:13:48 | kergoth | jmhodges: kernelnewbies changed servers, if you didnt know, its not on OPN anymore |
| 00:13:49 | sliide | usbnet doesn't work in .18 |
| 00:13:53 | sliide | eh eh? |
| 00:14:01 | kergoth | jmhodges: he's talkin about usbnet not usbdnet :-) |
| 00:14:05 | sliide | yup ;) |
| 00:14:10 | jmhodges | oh |
| 00:14:12 | jmhodges | .. |
| 00:14:13 | sumeet_p | uh oh ok cool |
| 00:14:25 | jmhodges | hehhe |
| 00:14:30 | sliide | ;) |
| 00:14:36 | jmhodges | thinks sumeet_p and him where on the same wavelength |
| 00:14:37 | kergoth | starts pulling down 2.4.19 |
| 00:14:46 | jmhodges | i know of usbnet .. but have yet to hear of anyone doing it |
| 00:14:47 | kergoth | 52k/s.. guess word hasnt spread yet |
| 00:14:56 | kergoth | jmhodges: i was adding Z support to usbnet at one point |
| 00:14:57 | sliide | I used usbnet for a while, its weet |
| 00:14:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:15:02 | sliide | works great |
| 00:15:11 | noda | kergoth: Bah, it's too late to buy anything, dammit. I'll reformat the CF card and re-copy the files onto it; |
| 00:15:11 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 00:15:11 | sliide | until .18 kernel broke it ;) |
| 00:15:16 | noda | jmhodges: I use usbdnet. |
| 00:15:35 | noda | Oh, is there a difference between usbdnet and usbnet? :) |
| 00:15:45 | kergoth | yes |
| 00:15:47 | sliide | never heard of usbdnet |
| 00:15:51 | kergoth | completely different drivers |
| 00:16:07 | kergoth | sliide: usbdnet is the host side usb networking driver for connecting to the device side driver from Lineo |
| 00:16:08 | jmhodges | ive seen it in the kernel |
| 00:16:10 | kergoth | sliide: and its a piece of shit |
| 00:16:14 | jmhodges | but never looked into it |
| 00:16:15 | sliide | heh :) |
| 00:16:20 | kergoth | sliide: not SMP safe, crashes hardcore |
| 00:16:22 | noda | agrees: usbdnet is a piece of shit. |
| 00:16:28 | kergoth | sliide: numerous people have it crash when their Z suspends |
| 00:16:30 | noda | It crashed my computer once :( |
| 00:16:30 | kergoth | sliide: and shit |
| 00:16:34 | sliide | nasty |
| 00:16:35 | sumeet_p | agrees with noda |
| 00:16:42 | sliide | usbnet seemed great, nice and fast |
| 00:16:48 | jmhodges | supposedly the the max file size crash is gone in later .19's |
| 00:16:49 | kergoth | usbnet is very basic |
| 00:16:53 | kergoth | and such is less prone to failure |
| 00:16:54 | jmhodges | (but not in the one im using i guess_ |
| 00:16:55 | noda | I was supposed to get wireless 2 weeks ago. But the company I bought it from sucks, still haven't gotten it :( |
| 00:16:58 | kergoth | s/such/as such/ |
| 00:17:10 | noda | Ooh, where do we find out about usbnet? :) |
| 00:17:15 | sumeet_p | 802.11bs into the Z |
| 00:17:39 | kergoth | noda: its one of the usb networking drivers in the official kenrel tree. |
| 00:18:17 | sumeet_p | oh well I'm off, thanks a lot everybody. I think I got the oz kernel compiled, I'll have to make a flash image later |
| 00:18:24 | sliide | I was using pppd but I need something faster now I've finalliy got broadband |
| 00:18:27 | noda | Oh, cool :) |
| 00:18:47 | jmhodges | kergoth: i cant seem to find anything thats different between usbdnet and usbnet.. do you know? |
| 00:18:55 | jmhodges | obviously you do.. |
| 00:19:17 | kergoth | jmhodges: they're completely different drivers, though from what wembly was mentioning he thinks they based usbdnet on usbnet and cdcether (the two networking drivers in the official kernel tree) |
| 00:19:18 | noda | usbdnet crashes :) |
| 00:19:42 | kergoth | jmhodges: fyi, greg kroah-hartman will be finding a way to unify the support for the Z along with the others in the official tree, its on the 2.5 TODO |
| 00:20:13 | jmhodges | aaah cool |
| 00:20:16 | jmhodges | so.. |
| 00:20:30 | jmhodges | whats the diff between the two official drivers? |
| 00:20:47 | kergoth | connect to different device side drivers. |
| 00:21:07 | jmhodges | ah i think i understand now |
| 00:22:43 | kergoth | starts the 2.4.19 compile |
| 00:22:46 | sliide | Then there's some windows thing, bahia something also works with ipaq apparently |
| 00:22:46 | noda | kergoth: When I 'mount /dev/hda1' on my broken OpenZaurus, it says "modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module nls_cp437", then 3 times with nls_iso8859-1. Is this the same with non-broken OpenZaurus? :) |
| 00:22:52 | treke|work | is 2.4.19 released? |
| 00:22:55 | kergoth | noda: yeah, thats harmless |
| 00:22:56 | kergoth | treke |
| 00:23:00 | kergoth | it JUST released |
| 00:23:01 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:23:02 | noda | Thought so, just making sure :) |
| 00:23:04 | noda | OOH! |
| 00:23:06 | kergoth | go pound the mirrors with everyone else |
| 00:23:19 | treke|work | sweet |
| 00:23:26 | kergoth | took like 9 months or something to release |
| 00:23:27 | noda | What's changed? I can't read the changelog any more, it's too damned verbose... |
| 00:23:29 | treke|work | right as I was getting ready to wipe and reinstall my laptop |
| 00:23:29 | kergoth | i'm happy its finally out |
| 00:24:45 | noda | loves getting a new kernel. Makes him feel all fresh, like taking a shower. |
| 00:25:14 | jmhodges | heheheh |
| 00:25:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:25:32 | jmhodges | ive got 3 different kernels on my system |
| 00:25:35 | noda | Hey, since when did they start naming the directory inside the tarball 'linux-x.x.x'? It used to be just plain 'linux'... |
| 00:25:38 | noda | jmhodges: Ha! |
| 00:25:44 | jmhodges | they dont make me feel clean |
| 00:25:48 | treke|work | is this > < close to switching to 2.5 |
| 00:25:52 | jmhodges | i wouldnt have this many |
| 00:25:57 | noda | I've got 3 different *operating systems* on my system :P |
| 00:26:05 | jmhodges | but usbdnet i thought was not working with a few other ones :) |
| 00:26:16 | jmhodges | noda: ah! same here! |
| 00:26:17 | kergoth | treke|work: i hope you dont have a usb flash card reader |
| 00:26:25 | jmhodges | er... ha! |
| 00:26:27 | kergoth | treke|work: usb-storage causes a kernel BUG() right now |
| 00:26:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:26:37 | jmhodges | cousrse one doesnt seem to want me ust it |
| 00:26:40 | treke|work | kergoth: I dont, I have a cf -> pcmcia adapter :) |
| 00:26:42 | noda | Oh yeah, good point kergoth -- when I go out searching for a flash card reader tomorrow, which kind should I get? :) |
| 00:26:45 | jmhodges | is not having a good time iwht qnx |
| 00:27:00 | jmhodges | hehe kergoth |
| 00:27:14 | treke|work | supposedly the acpi stuff in it is much better than 2.4 |
| 00:28:35 | kergoth | noda: any of them should work, they all use the same driver |
| 00:28:44 | noda | kergoth: USB? |
| 00:28:47 | kergoth | treke|work: I love 2.5, so much has been improved.. |
| 00:29:01 | kergoth | noda: as treke said, cf->pcmcia adapter if you're using a laptop, otherwise usb |
| 00:29:03 | noda | won't be using 2.5 for a while. |
| 00:29:05 | treke|work | kergoth: I just worry about data loss :) |
| 00:29:08 | noda | USB it is then :) |
| 00:29:17 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: hey did you ever get a chance to try out the tkc apps |
| 00:29:19 | kergoth | treke|work: well, you can choose to use the old 2.4 IDE now |
| 00:29:32 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: nah my Z is still running 2.5.26-rmk1-cl1 |
| 00:29:32 | sig | sup foo's |
| 00:29:35 | treke|work | but the possibility of being able to suspend is attractive :) |
| 00:29:41 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: I'll be flashing it shortly to test the 2.9.5. OZ |
| 00:29:49 | jmhodges | has managed to lose his Z for the second night in a row |
| 00:30:06 | sig | jmhodges: lol, that sucks |
| 00:30:07 | jmhodges | oh i know where it is |
| 00:30:08 | roge99_laptop | ok .. let me know |
| 00:30:49 | jmhodges | whew |
| 00:31:57 | noda | Where's usbnet in the 2.4.19 menuconfig? :) |
| 00:32:07 | jmhodges | under usb support |
| 00:32:10 | kergoth | noda: usb. |
| 00:32:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:32:14 | noda | Thanks :) |
| 00:32:15 | jmhodges | right near usbdnet when its patched |
| 00:32:47 | kergoth | For those who are interested in the developments in the 2.5 kernel: http://kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html <-bookmark it |
| 00:32:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:32:57 | treke|work | ooh good |
| 00:33:14 | treke|home | reckong I ought to keep up on that stuff now :) |
| 00:33:23 | noda | Urgh. There's no alsa in 2.4.19, right? Gotta patch it... I hate that :) |
| 00:33:28 | kergoth | noda: yeah |
| 00:33:32 | kergoth | noda: thats one nice thing about 2.5 |
| 00:33:34 | kergoth | noda: :-) |
| 00:33:46 | jmhodges | patch? |
| 00:33:49 | jmhodges | why pathc? |
| 00:33:50 | kergoth | noda: course in debian, you just apt-get install alsa-source :-) |
| 00:33:54 | kergoth | yeah no need to patch |
| 00:33:59 | jmhodges | dont you just install it afterwards? |
| 00:34:02 | kergoth | just build it against those kernel headers and you're fine |
| 00:34:06 | noda | Whoops, oh yeah, forgot :) |
| 00:34:22 | noda | First time I installed I tried patching something or other, I forget. It was all a while ago. 'make install' should be okay now though :) |
| 00:34:29 | noda | of course compiles EVERYTHING from source |
| 00:34:47 | jmhodges | of course |
| 00:34:50 | jmhodges | noda: same here :D |
| 00:35:14 | noda | If someone who coded Slackware looked at my system, he'd have no idea it started as that :P |
| 00:35:15 | jmhodges | lunar, gentoo, rock, sourcemage, or sorcerer ? |
| 00:35:24 | jmhodges | noda: same here :D |
| 00:35:33 | jmhodges | course.. i dont like gui logins |
| 00:35:38 | jmhodges | s/like/use/ |
| 00:35:40 | kergoth | cd ~/linux-2.4.19/; make-kpkg --revision 1 --bzimage --initrd --arch-in-name; |
| 00:35:42 | kergoth | waits patiently |
| 00:35:47 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 00:35:50 | noda | I dont' like gui's :P. blackbox is the best way to make X transparent IMO :) |
| 00:36:09 | sliide | cya all ;) |
| 00:36:14 | jmhodges | heheh noda |
| 00:36:33 | kergoth | everyone knows guis are just a way of running a whole shitload of terminals in one screen |
| 00:36:36 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 00:36:45 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 00:36:54 | noda | kergoth: Of course! Meta-X: Bring up another xterm. |
| 00:37:08 | jmhodges | aterms make me feel like im really running my own comp |
| 00:37:22 | kergoth | Eterms all the way man |
| 00:37:23 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:37:27 | noda | xterm -- the one and only :) |
| 00:37:30 | kergoth | bahh |
| 00:37:40 | noda | It's faster :) |
| 00:37:41 | sig | kergoth |
| 00:37:48 | kergoth | sig |
| 00:37:50 | sig | have you ever heard of a HP OmniBook 300 ? |
| 00:37:51 | ljp | hmm it helps to have compatible types.... |
| 00:38:00 | jmhodges | i had problems with eterm not taking my input correctly :/ |
| 00:38:03 | kergoth | ljp: ? |
| 00:38:11 | jmhodges | ?? |
| 00:38:12 | kergoth | jmhodges: you can adjust how it behaves to your liking |
| 00:38:21 | ljp | geezz no wonder it didnt work |
| 00:38:25 | kergoth | jmhodges: what i dont like is that it uses a different clipboard.. i HATE how X has more than one clippboard |
| 00:38:27 | ljp | long is NOT int |
| 00:38:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:38:31 | kergoth | lol ljp |
| 00:38:34 | sig | kergoth? |
| 00:38:35 | ljp | dude. |
| 00:38:41 | kergoth | sig: i dunno offhand.. google :-) |
| 00:38:42 | jmhodges | kergoth: indeed |
| 00:38:48 | noda | It does? I thought it only had one clipboard... |
| 00:38:54 | noda | You highlight, you middle-click. Done. |
| 00:38:58 | sig | kergoth: well I have one, i was just wondering if i could put linux on it |
| 00:39:00 | ljp | I guess I should have looked at this way before now |
| 00:39:07 | kergoth | sig: most likely.. |
| 00:39:08 | jmhodges | kergoth: im running xfce.. konq apparently doesnt like to put stuff in the clipboard i use |
| 00:39:23 | sig | where could i find out? |
| 00:39:32 | kergoth | noda: ctrl+c in a kde app puts it in a different clipboard than ctrl+insert in the same app |
| 00:39:40 | kergoth | jmhodges: yes, kde has a seperate clipboard i believe. |
| 00:39:45 | kergoth | jmhodges: hence hte annoyance |
| 00:39:54 | noda | Ah, so *kde* has different clipboards. I wouldn't know :) |
| 00:40:00 | kergoth | jmhodges: but you can use ctrl/shift+insert instead of ctrl+c/v |
| 00:40:05 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 00:40:07 | jmhodges | kergoth: ah nice |
| 00:40:10 | jmhodges | is not a kde man |
| 00:40:12 | kergoth | noda: i want e17 to become stable |
| 00:40:16 | kergoth | noda: :-) |
| 00:40:35 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 00:40:41 | noda | kergoth: I tried that half a year ago. It didn't crash on me. But it was impossible to do anything. Two or three people were running it permanently at that poitn in time though. |
| 00:40:58 | noda | kergoth: Just a bitch to configure. I never got desktop icons working, I went back to blackbox before I figured it out :) |
| 00:40:58 | kergoth | noda: yeah, its really in flux |
| 00:41:11 | kergoth | noda: and now they're switching it from evas+imlib2 to evas2 |
| 00:41:12 | jmhodges | this sounds interesting --> [PATCH] penguin logo code |
| 00:41:14 | noda | kergoth: Ever install evas though? The demo is really cool :) |
| 00:41:16 | jmhodges | thats from rc5 |
| 00:41:17 | noda | WHAT? Didn't know that. |
| 00:41:19 | kergoth | noda: evas rocks! |
| 00:41:25 | kergoth | noda: i want to build evas2 for my Z |
| 00:41:32 | kergoth | noda: evas2 has framebuffer output ;-) |
| 00:41:33 | noda | Ooh, that'd be cool. |
| 00:41:40 | treke|work | kergoth: write a qt backend :) |
| 00:41:48 | kergoth | treke|work: hehe. i'm not THAT bored |
| 00:41:54 | noda | Rasterman said in an interview that he thinks it'd be awesome on embedded devices, didn't he? |
| 00:41:58 | kergoth | noda: yep |
| 00:42:05 | kergoth | noda: he's working for an embedded company |
| 00:42:13 | kergoth | noda: which is why i want to try this on the Z |
| 00:42:14 | kergoth | hewh |
| 00:42:15 | kergoth | er |
| 00:42:17 | kergoth | s/w//; |
| 00:42:29 | noda | :) |
| 00:42:53 | noda | I never coded anything for evas, even though it looks mighty cool. I might code stuff for evas2 though :) |
| 00:43:04 | kergoth | cranks up the KMFDM and goes back to work on converting the Z keyboard driver to the input layer |
| 00:43:11 | noda | Evas didn't really last long, eH? :P |
| 00:43:12 | kergoth | noda: me neither.. but its architected very well from what ive read |
| 00:43:34 | noda | kergoth: I read about 10 pages of the manual but then something came up and I never looked at it again :) |
| 00:43:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:43:44 | kergoth | noda: the pdf is 190 pages long |
| 00:43:45 | kergoth | noda: nuts |
| 00:43:46 | noda | *I* actually understood it though. Which is saying something :) |
| 00:44:23 | kergoth | brb, need another hard lemonade |
| 00:45:20 | noda | wishes he had hard lemonades... |
| 00:45:32 | darienm | sugar, make noda a hard lemonade |
| 00:45:32 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of lemonade, pours it into some glasses, which she hands noda and whardier. |
| 00:45:47 | noda | drinks and all is well. |
| 00:45:49 | darienm | no sugar |
| 00:45:52 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:45:55 | darienm | sugar, give noda a hard lemonade |
| 00:45:56 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of lemonade, pours it into some glasses, which she hands noda and whardier. |
| 00:45:56 | kergoth | she screwed that one up |
| 00:46:07 | darienm | how's whardier get a drink? |
| 00:46:15 | kergoth | hard~=w hard ier |
| 00:46:19 | kergoth | i think |
| 00:46:33 | darienm | sugar, give noda a lemonade with alcohol |
| 00:46:33 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of lemonade with alcohol, pours it into a glass, which she hands noda. |
| 00:46:34 | jmhodges | lol |
| 00:46:48 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:47:00 | jmhodges | Sugar: give noda a hard blank |
| 00:47:05 | jmhodges | er..d ammit |
| 00:47:09 | jmhodges | Sugar: give noda a hard coke |
| 00:47:10 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke, pours it into some glasses, which she hands noda and whardier. |
| 00:47:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:47:18 | jmhodges | Sugar: give noda a hard iced tea |
| 00:47:24 | jmhodges | .. |
| 00:47:26 | darienm | sugar, give noda a hard on |
| 00:47:27 | ljp | Sugar make me a grasshopper |
| 00:47:27 | Sugar | shakes creme de menthe (green), creme de cacao (white), light cream and ice then strains it into a cocktail glass and serves it to ljp. |
| 00:47:54 | ljp | Sugar make me a sex on the beach |
| 00:47:54 | Sugar | stirs black raspberry liqueur, melon liqueur, vodka, pineapple juice, cranberry juice and ice, strains it into a cordial glass then tops with cranberry juice and serves it to ljp. |
| 00:47:56 | Sugar | Yeah right, luser! |
| 00:48:12 | jmhodges | lol |
| 00:48:17 | ljp | wtf |
| 00:48:21 | treke|home | Sugar give ljp a life |
| 00:48:27 | sig | kergoth this is what I got, I'm trying to find out what linux ditrib i can put on it.... |
| 00:48:29 | sig | http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/10/pt10005d.htm |
| 00:55:50 | sig | can anyone give me suggetions on that? |
| 00:56:16 | noda | mmmmm... make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install && cp /vmlinuz /vmlinuz.bak && cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /vmlinuz |
| 00:56:48 | noda | remembers when his computers took hours to compile a kernel :) |
| 00:57:31 | treke|work | yeah, now I get impatient waiting 4 minutes :) |
| 00:57:41 | noda | Heh, good thing you don't have to, right? :) |
| 00:57:55 | noda | ooh, this'll be my first gcc-3.1.1 kernel :) |
| 00:58:50 | noda | gets reminded of when he tried to 'make install' his gcc-3-compiled glibc over his old slack ones. *crash* |
| 00:59:02 | noda | Linux is so fun, can't see how people would prefer Windows to this kinda thing :) |
| 00:59:20 | ACEDOG_Z | I remember compiling X. Had to leave it overnight. |
| 00:59:30 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 00:59:37 | W|GGL|T | farscape is on |
| 00:59:41 | jmhodges | compiling X is always a nerve wracking experience |
| 01:00:03 | jmhodges | fuck off mr "look at me i can afford the sci-fi channel" |
| 01:00:03 | jmhodges | :D |
| 01:00:06 | noda | Nah, worked perfectly for me on this system (4.2). I was disappointed, it's usually much more fun :) |
| 01:00:09 | ACEDOG_Z | certainly wasn't good if the compilation failed |
| 01:00:24 | W|GGL|T | and cable modem :oP |
| 01:00:30 | W|GGL|T | bwahahaha |
| 01:00:58 | jmhodges | stabs W|GGL|T |
| 01:01:06 | jmhodges | hehehe noda |
| 01:01:12 | jmhodges | well it may be just fine |
| 01:01:15 | jmhodges | the first time |
| 01:01:19 | jmhodges | but just the waiting |
| 01:01:22 | jmhodges | it gets on me |
| 01:01:27 | noda | Hehehe, good point :) |
| 01:01:33 | noda | A whole half hour! |
| 01:02:01 | noda | It's at times like that that you hope you've got your TV card working with your framebuffer so you can play Playstation games while compiling :) |
| 01:02:03 | noda | still has to do that... |
| 01:02:14 | jmhodges | lol noda |
| 01:02:21 | jmhodges | i wish i had a tv card |
| 01:02:28 | jmhodges | but my parents got me a tv for graduation so... |
| 01:02:37 | noda | They're cheap, and great. I use mine all the time :) |
| 01:02:49 | jmhodges | well.. mines a flat screen tv |
| 01:02:54 | jmhodges | .. my monitor is not.. |
| 01:02:55 | noda | oh :P |
| 01:02:57 | jmhodges | heheheh |
| 01:03:01 | noda | Bastard :) |
| 01:03:06 | jmhodges | :D i know |
| 01:03:13 | jmhodges | but hey! |
| 01:03:17 | jmhodges | im still on 56k! |
| 01:03:23 | noda | How do you do a "|" on the Zaurus shell? :) |
| 01:03:29 | darienm|away | shift-space |
| 01:03:31 | noda | jmhodges: Heh, you're right, internet is more important :) |
| 01:03:33 | noda | Thanks :) |
| 01:03:41 | darienm|away | or Fn-space |
| 01:03:43 | darienm|away | I forget |
| 01:03:45 | darienm|away | too tired |
| 01:03:59 | jmhodges | Fn-space? |
| 01:04:06 | jmhodges | is not with it apparently |
| 01:04:09 | darienm|away | Fn = Function key |
| 01:04:17 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:04:21 | jmhodges | oh wait |
| 01:04:22 | darienm|away | I was answering noda's question |
| 01:04:28 | jmhodges | is also not aware |
| 01:04:37 | jmhodges | its shift |
| 01:04:42 | noda | Hrm. For me it's fn :) |
| 01:04:43 | jmhodges | definitely definitely shiftg |
| 01:04:46 | kergoth | jmhodges: depends |
| 01:04:50 | jmhodges | ?? |
| 01:04:53 | noda | Funny, though, none of my other keys seem to be working. It's as if the shift key is stuck :) |
| 01:04:55 | kergoth | jmhodges: on whether you're in embeddedkonsole or straight console |
| 01:04:56 | darienm|away | ok lusers, opening my console |
| 01:04:59 | kergoth | jmhodges: they're opposite. |
| 01:05:04 | jmhodges | ah kergoth.. thats fucked |
| 01:05:09 | jmhodges | excuse me fscked |
| 01:05:10 | kergoth | jmhodges: its shift+space in embeddedkonsole, fn+space in console |
| 01:05:13 | kergoth | jmhodges: agreed |
| 01:05:14 | darienm|away | shfit-space to get a pipe, Fn-space opens Unicode input method |
| 01:05:30 | kergoth | darienm|away: like i said, pipe depends on whether you're in embeddedkonsole or console :-) |
| 01:05:34 | noda | reboots. nothing to lose but my sanity now, thing won't even boot :) |
| 01:05:36 | jmhodges | how does one use unicode input method? |
| 01:05:42 | darienm|away | bleh -- all I know is it doesnt work at all thru VNC |
| 01:05:48 | kergoth | apt-get install openoffice |
| 01:05:51 | jmhodges | fn-space, fn-numbers? |
| 01:05:57 | darienm|away | jmhodges: just scroll from the top down... click on what you want |
| 01:06:18 | jmhodges | ah so it doesnt work in console |
| 01:06:21 | jmhodges | ? |
| 01:06:28 | jmhodges | hand is killing him |
| 01:06:39 | darienm|away | walks away from his desk, out the door, home to eat some corn dogs and suck down some wine coolers before a hard day of paintball goodness tomorrow. |
| 01:06:50 | jmhodges | hehre |
| 01:06:56 | jmhodges | seeya darienm|away |
| 01:07:09 | kergoth | darienm|away: have fun |
| 01:07:51 | noda | Okay, I just want to go over this *one last time*, sorry for being a pain: |
| 01:08:10 | noda | - to communicate with my Zaurus, I'd have to either a) get a flash card reader, or b) use USB |
| 01:08:20 | noda | - To use USB, I need the usbdnet driver on the Zaurus to work. |
| 01:08:26 | kergoth | noda: or c) get CF ethernet or wireless adapter |
| 01:08:28 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:08:37 | kergoth | noda: its not called 'usbdnet' on the Z, but yes. |
| 01:08:55 | noda | - If I modprobe usbwhatever on the Zaurus and then do an ifconfig -a, I should see "usbd0" |
| 01:09:00 | noda | - If I don't see that, I'm fucked :) |
| 01:09:25 | noda | Is this sound logic, or am I missing something? :) |
| 01:09:27 | kergoth | noda: modprobe usbdmonitor usbcore sa1100_bi net_fd; |
| 01:09:36 | noda | They're already there :) |
| 01:09:38 | kergoth | noda: if that doesnt give you a device, WHEN its plugged in, you're in trouble |
| 01:09:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:10:20 | noda | All right. Having gone through all the logic possible, I have come to the conclusion that I am in trouble ;) |
| 01:10:58 | noda | After pressing [c][d][full reset] and waiting however many minutes, what's the *exact* procedure I'm supposed to follow? |
| 01:11:00 | noda | 1. Take out flash card |
| 01:11:04 | noda | 2. Press full reset |
| 01:11:11 | ljp | uggg.. messy ,essy messy |
| 01:11:13 | noda | 3. Replace lid, switch to "Normal Operation" |
| 01:11:21 | noda | 4. Hold down "Cancel" for 2 seconds |
| 01:11:33 | noda | Or am I doint things in the wrong order? |
| 01:11:54 | dremspider | Where can I find the best tutorial on embedded qt3 |
| 01:12:21 | ljp | did you wait til the leds went out? |
| 01:12:35 | kergoth | noda: 1 isnt necessary, but shouldnt hurt anything.. yeah thats the correct procedure. |
| 01:12:46 | noda | ljp: Yep |
| 01:13:17 | dremspider | anyone know |
| 01:13:21 | noda | Hrmph. Somehow one of the files must have become corrupt when copying it over to my Zaurus. But it's got the same filesize. Does this sound possible/probable? |
| 01:14:02 | kergoth | yes, possible |
| 01:14:37 | noda | decides to blame USB networks and vows to slay the people who sold him his CF wireless card if it doesn't come in on Monday. |
| 01:15:17 | W|GGL|T | man, this capture software needs to be able to edit out commercials |
| 01:15:32 | dremspider | hahah |
| 01:15:32 | W|GGL|T | noda: i was having problems transferring some files last night too |
| 01:15:48 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:15:56 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: what you using? |
| 01:15:58 | W|GGL|T | they'd transfer fine then wouldn't install |
| 01:16:01 | dremspider | Hey why does mazingo tak FOREVER to copy to my device |
| 01:16:53 | W|GGL|T | ati software |
| 01:16:53 | noda | Well at least I get a cool OpenZaurus logo when I turn on my Zaurus. It wasn't *completely* useless, this flashing :) |
| 01:17:03 | noda | loves the way "OpenZaurus" gets written... |
| 01:17:09 | W|GGL|T | ahh...you're using OZ |
| 01:17:18 | W|GGL|T | im using the sharp POS |
| 01:17:35 | noda | W|GGL|T: I was until today too. Now I'm broken until I get a CF reader :) |
| 01:17:39 | jmhodges | noda: dont you wish the light came on before the animation :) |
| 01:17:49 | jmhodges | hehe noda |
| 01:17:51 | W|GGL|T | ahh...that's one of the first things I got |
| 01:17:54 | noda | jmhodges: rofl, yeah, kinda :) |
| 01:17:56 | W|GGL|T | a pcmcia one |
| 01:18:06 | noda | You gotta hold it at the right angle to see it getting written :) |
| 01:18:13 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:18:34 | jmhodges | installs this interesing thing called ksetisaver :D |
| 01:21:32 | dremspider | hey why doesnt the zaurus' email program have word wrap when you are writing an email |
| 01:21:58 | noda | Oh well. My zaurus won't work 'til tomorrow. Guess I'll play Warcraft III instead, while compiling KDE :) |
| 01:22:04 | noda | waves and thanks all who helped so kindly. |
| 01:22:24 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:22:25 | dremspider | That is very annoying |
| 01:22:46 | dremspider | Is it supposed to word wrap? |
| 01:23:18 | treke|work | started plaing black and white |
| 01:25:04 | dremspider | anyone hear |
| 01:25:10 | dremspider | I mean here? |
| 01:29:26 | ljp | hmmmmmmmm |
| 01:33:27 | ljp | uggh |
| 01:33:36 | ljp | dead end |
| 01:34:46 | JasonNJ-home | evening. |
| 01:35:15 | ljp | hi |
| 01:35:31 | treke|work | evening |
| 01:36:25 | ljp | hmm it helps to have some kind of gui update loop to update the gui.. hmmmpft |
| 01:36:31 | JasonNJ-home | dang wife watching Hannibal on DVD |
| 01:36:39 | JasonNJ-home | i have so no desire to see that flick |
| 01:36:47 | ljp | heheh me either |
| 01:36:58 | JasonNJ-home | seen enough horrible scary shit for real to last me a lifetime |
| 01:37:09 | dremspider | ny1 got quake running on their Z? |
| 01:37:31 | JasonNJ-home | drem: the quake on zaurus is a fun demonstration but its totally unplayable. |
| 01:37:34 | ljp | guess who gets to use a vercel while Riker is in India.. |
| 01:37:43 | treke|work | ljp: not you |
| 01:37:51 | ljp | heheheh maaayyyy be |
| 01:38:03 | JasonNJ-home | ljp: How close are they to producing developer units? |
| 01:38:13 | dremspider | I still wanna try it |
| 01:38:14 | ljp | dont know. |
| 01:38:18 | JasonNJ-home | I had heard they had not received their financing yet |
| 01:38:42 | JasonNJ-home | I hope they do, we need more than one vendor supporting Linux on a PDA. |
| 01:38:45 | ljp | I suppose I could ask someone at lineo |
| 01:38:46 | treke|work | ljp: what are you writing for it? |
| 01:38:56 | ljp | recording app |
| 01:38:59 | JasonNJ-home | although, the kaii looks promising, if not to get us a whole bunch of developers in india |
| 01:39:05 | ljp | audio |
| 01:39:36 | JasonNJ-home | the kaii is SH3 though I think |
| 01:39:40 | JasonNJ-home | or is it mips, I forget |
| 01:39:48 | treke|work | sh3 I think |
| 01:40:00 | JasonNJ-home | still, we could always xcompile it for a developer, with the new Sharp developer site going up |
| 01:40:04 | JasonNJ-home | we will have a compile farm |
| 01:40:26 | dremspider | How do I make quake work? |
| 01:40:34 | JasonNJ-home | drem: not easily... |
| 01:40:38 | ljp | will that have a xscale toolchain? |
| 01:40:41 | dremspider | no... |
| 01:40:43 | JasonNJ-home | I never got it working right myself |
| 01:40:51 | dremspider | Do i need quake or no? |
| 01:40:56 | JasonNJ-home | ljp: well, thats under discussion |
| 01:41:06 | treke|work | dremspider: yes. you need quake |
| 01:41:13 | JasonNJ-home | quite frankly we are not sure about the right approach for optimization and supporting native xscale yet |
| 01:41:21 | kergoth | re JasonNJ-home |
| 01:41:37 | JasonNJ-home | I spent about 2 hours on the phone with intel on thurs |
| 01:41:44 | ljp | plus xscale has lots of erata |
| 01:41:48 | JasonNJ-home | lots of little issues we need to hash ot |
| 01:41:49 | JasonNJ-home | out |
| 01:42:06 | ljp | _lots_ |
| 01:42:30 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: i've determined keyboard drivers are a pain. |
| 01:42:35 | JasonNJ-home | the problems effectively surround the toolchain changeover and whether or not we go to Qt 3 at this time |
| 01:42:47 | ljp | now.. if you were a car title.. where would you hide? |
| 01:42:47 | JasonNJ-home | also the ability to support older Zaurus apps needs to be worked out |
| 01:43:12 | treke|work | three binary compatibility changes would be a pain |
| 01:43:51 | JasonNJ-home | we could issue a new SDK based on GCC 3.1, which could produce both ARM V4 and ARM V5/xScale binaries but then there is the issue of needing to have 2 different versions of Qt on the device |
| 01:44:09 | JasonNJ-home | but then GCC 3.2 is going to break things yet further |
| 01:44:34 | dremspider | Any skins that work on the zaurus |
| 01:44:42 | treke|work | dremspider: no |
| 01:44:57 | JasonNJ-home | so, do we issue our xscale device with an unoptimized rom, or delay it until 3.2 comes out, or do we launch unoptimized then release a beta of an optimized rom, then follow up with the real deal? |
| 01:45:13 | JasonNJ-home | this is the stuff that is making my head spin lately |
| 01:46:10 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:46:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: gcc 3.2 will break things further? |
| 01:46:34 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: i was hoping they finally had the ABI settled... grr |
| 01:46:36 | JasonNJ-home | I am waiting on some stuff from Intel, they may have some answers |
| 01:46:48 | JasonNJ-home | they dont want us to screw up like MS did |
| 01:47:01 | JasonNJ-home | kergoth: it has a different C++ ABI |
| 01:47:12 | JasonNJ-home | and apparently it also breaks glibc |
| 01:47:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: yeah, figured. i was hoping they had that finally settled |
| 01:47:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: oh fun. |
| 01:47:39 | treke|home | kergoth: Now 3.2 is supposed to be the last |
| 01:47:41 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: hunger was mentioning that gcc3.1.1 built glibc caused bus errors in apps built against it.. wonder if thats related |
| 01:47:57 | JasonNJ-home | we are really right smack in the middle of the worst time to launch a new version of our PDA, really |
| 01:48:01 | kergoth | treke|home: *crosses fingers* |
| 01:48:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:48:20 | JasonNJ-home | we can certainly go 3.1 and stick with it |
| 01:48:27 | JasonNJ-home | but it may make sense to use 3.2 instead |
| 01:49:01 | JasonNJ-home | my choice would be to launch the product with no optimization, and then do a 3.2 ROM in wide beta |
| 01:49:02 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: Perhaps do something like redhat/mandrake is doing. Use a patched 3.1? |
| 01:49:21 | JasonNJ-home | treke: but then you opensoruce guys would go nuts. |
| 01:49:50 | JasonNJ-home | its really damnned if we do, dammned if we dont |
| 01:49:58 | JasonNJ-home | I dont know which choice is worse |
| 01:50:31 | JasonNJ-home | we may very well have to use some kind of patchy compiler |
| 01:51:00 | JasonNJ-home | then I get to eat my own words about "those idiots at redhat" for mucking things up with RH 7.1 and forking |
| 01:51:29 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: it isnt nearly as bad for the zaurus since you dont have to interoperate with other distros as much |
| 01:51:37 | JasonNJ-home | true |
| 01:52:03 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: and opensource guys wont bitch if you get the patches you apply to gcc released. |
| 01:52:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:52:20 | JasonNJ-home | but then, we have to make sure the OPIE/familiar guys are usign the same toolchain as us, or its going to get messy |
| 01:52:49 | kergoth | yeah losing compatibility with familiar would suck |
| 01:52:59 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: have you talked to compaq regarding their plans for this? |
| 01:53:03 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: may be a good idea. |
| 01:53:31 | JasonNJ-home | you mean CRL? well, I havent sat in on a HH.ORG phone meeting in a while |
| 01:53:33 | treke|home | yeah, since they now are working on an xscale pda |
| 01:53:38 | JasonNJ-home | I supposed BZflag and I should |
| 01:53:53 | JasonNJ-home | they havent gotten linux running on a 3900 series yet though |
| 01:54:23 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: even so.. |
| 01:54:31 | treke|home | they are working on it, and the ipaq mailing list pointed to two different feeds. One with optimized binaries |
| 01:54:40 | JasonNJ-home | yeah, I guess I should ask some questions next week |
| 01:54:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: especially since i'll be working with the folks at compaq on their autobuild system, and OZ will likely use the same buildsystem.. |
| 01:55:12 | JasonNJ-home | kergoth: you should probably hang out in one as well |
| 01:56:36 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: if you think so. your call. |
| 01:56:44 | JasonNJ-home | you should |
| 01:57:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: fyi i'm releasing OZ 2.9.5 soon, with the fix for the nomtdram problem, reverted security patch until trolltech catches up, and a couple other fixes |
| 01:57:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: k |
| 01:58:06 | JasonNJ-home | I am hoping to get some new ROMs on monday, I'll know how Sharp Japan and Trolltech dealt with the security fix then |
| 02:00:06 | kergoth | will there be a new qtopia desktop and intellisync as well? |
| 02:02:57 | JasonNJ-home | probably. |
| 02:03:32 | JasonNJ-home | there are most definitely new versions of qtopia desktop coming out but I am not sure what trolltech's release schedule is |
| 02:05:46 | NeoTron | JasonNJ-home: had any luck with the RocketElite demo? |
| 02:05:55 | JasonNJ-home | yeah the new one is fine |
| 02:06:01 | JasonNJ-home | but I cant pass level one |
| 02:06:04 | JasonNJ-home | I get my ass kicked. |
| 02:06:21 | JasonNJ-home | i get this weird "level inconsistency error" though at startup |
| 02:07:10 | W|GGL|T | cool...they're playing SG1 again |
| 02:07:23 | Wembly | wigglit: where? |
| 02:07:29 | Wembly | whats sg1? |
| 02:07:37 | prpplague | again? i thought i wasn't on till 11pm |
| 02:07:48 | JasonNJ-home | really bad thunderstorm here |
| 02:07:54 | JasonNJ-home | my directv is out |
| 02:08:57 | Wembly | stargate sg1? |
| 02:09:02 | Wembly | wigglit: what channel? |
| 02:09:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: let me know if you get any info on the qtopia desktop timeline.. there's no point in releasing a OZ rom without the security fix if updated sync software is coming soon. |
| 02:10:27 | prpplague | kergoth: decided not to get blasted this evening? |
| 02:10:48 | JasonNJ-home | kergoth: dont worry, I'll let you know |
| 02:11:03 | kergoth | prpplague: yeh. decided to drink slowly and get some coding done.. all of a sudden I was in one of those coding moods, you know? |
| 02:11:05 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: thanks |
| 02:11:22 | W|GGL|T | sci fi channel |
| 02:11:30 | W|GGL|T | sorry...was watching it :o) |
| 02:11:34 | JasonNJ-home | I hate it when my wife monopolizes the tv |
| 02:11:50 | jmhodges_ | bets JasonNJ-home monopolizes the comp |
| 02:11:53 | jmhodges_ | ;) |
| 02:11:56 | Wembly | herm. |
| 02:11:57 | Wembly | bbl |
| 02:12:02 | Wembly | *joins wigglit* |
| 02:12:06 | jmhodges_ | Wembly: seeya |
| 02:12:06 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:12:15 | jmhodges_ | Wembly: btw thanks! |
| 02:12:18 | jmhodges_ | again! |
| 02:12:19 | prpplague | kergoth: ya been ther done that |
| 02:12:26 | W|GGL|T | JasonNJ: im watching it on my computer (capture card) |
| 02:12:54 | JasonNJ-home | jm: I have 4 computers at the moment, she has her own |
| 02:12:55 | prpplague | W|GGL|T: same here |
| 02:12:59 | JasonNJ-home | and her own office |
| 02:13:08 | JasonNJ-home | I have the entire basement as my lab |
| 02:13:22 | W|GGL|T | i wish i had a basement |
| 02:13:28 | W|GGL|T | i'd make it into a lab too |
| 02:13:36 | JasonNJ-home | actually I have about 8 computers but only 4 hooked up right now |
| 02:13:49 | JasonNJ-home | plus others in various stages of disarray |
| 02:13:51 | kergoth | has ONE computer in his house right now. weird eh? |
| 02:14:03 | JasonNJ-home | doomed for parts cannibalization |
| 02:14:04 | W|GGL|T | is that 'parker lewis'??? |
| 02:14:06 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:14:23 | JasonNJ-home | I have too many case carcasses lying around |
| 02:14:29 | jmhodges_ | JasonNJ-home: nice setup :D |
| 02:14:45 | jmhodges_ | hehe kergoth |
| 02:14:51 | JasonNJ-home | I like it down int the basement, dark, quiet and cool |
| 02:15:09 | JasonNJ-home | got my computers, got my private bathroom, got my mini fridge |
| 02:16:04 | JasonNJ-home | i have to go upstairs to microwave stuff though |
| 02:16:17 | jmhodges_ | hehe |
| 02:16:19 | treke|home | sounds like a winner |
| 02:16:23 | JasonNJ-home | I'm not totally self sufficient but I am working on it |
| 02:16:37 | W|GGL|T | you need to buy a cheap microwave for your lab then |
| 02:16:38 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:17:19 | JasonNJ-home | I seem to recall a certain japanese company makes cheap microwaves |
| 02:18:10 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 02:18:10 | JasonNJ-home | need to be able to cook the instant noodle soups |
| 02:18:33 | kergoth | ughhhh |
| 02:18:34 | JasonNJ-home | and popcorn |
| 02:18:36 | kergoth | keyboard drivers suck |
| 02:18:53 | prpplague | naw just set the noodles on a seriously overclocked cpu |
| 02:18:56 | kergoth | tries to wrap his head around foreign subsystems |
| 02:19:25 | prpplague | kergoth: forget it you'll never understand women |
| 02:19:43 | JasonNJ-home | god my wife is watching such crap tonight |
| 02:19:56 | prpplague | ha |
| 02:20:00 | JasonNJ-home | first she watches this flick with keanu reeves falling in love with a chick dying of cancer |
| 02:20:05 | JasonNJ-home | what a total turnoff |
| 02:20:13 | JasonNJ-home | then she decides to watch hannibal |
| 02:20:26 | JasonNJ-home | I wanted to watch 3 or 4 episode of junkyard wars, but I was overruled |
| 02:20:35 | prpplague | JasonNJ-home: think she is planning something for ya? |
| 02:20:41 | JasonNJ-home | hell even a rerun of Next Generation |
| 02:21:04 | JasonNJ-home | man who wants to see Keanu Reeves in a romance flick |
| 02:21:07 | prpplague | JasonNJ-home: i still think there needs to be a junkyard wars with the junk being dead consumer electronics and kids toys |
| 02:21:16 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: I'd rather see it than hannibal |
| 02:21:18 | JasonNJ-home | I want to see him flying in midair firing dual pistols at bad guys |
| 02:21:47 | angry | elloh |
| 02:21:57 | JasonNJ-home | prp: there needs to be an Unlimited junkyard wars |
| 02:22:08 | JasonNJ-home | that takes place in a military junkyard |
| 02:22:12 | angry | i love junkyard wars! |
| 02:22:22 | treke|home | junkyard wars rocks |
| 02:22:32 | JasonNJ-home | the rocket one was my favorite |
| 02:22:43 | angry | i didnt like it that much |
| 02:22:52 | angry | because one team got stuck with a sucky design |
| 02:23:00 | angry | which was hard to do with non professional equipment |
| 02:23:23 | JasonNJ-home | yeah, what sucks is you could get stuck with a totally bonehead expert who wants to try somethign wacky |
| 02:23:35 | angry | yea |
| 02:23:40 | JasonNJ-home | like I've seen MIT dudes lose against friggin car mechanics because of that |
| 02:24:38 | prpplague | JasonNJ-home: ya that is always frustrating |
| 02:24:42 | JasonNJ-home | a lot of the time the project is so difficult both teams end up with stuff that doesnt work |
| 02:24:46 | NeoTron | JasonNJ-home: level inconsistency you can probably ignore, although it shouldn't happen. it might be why you can't pass level 1 too |
| 02:24:50 | JasonNJ-home | like the hydrofoil one |
| 02:24:52 | NeoTron | I think it's anti-cheat measurements |
| 02:25:00 | JasonNJ-home | neither one actually hydrofoiled |
| 02:25:20 | prpplague | W|GGL|T: is that one nerd on sg-1 the doctor on startrek enterprise? |
| 02:25:30 | JasonNJ-home | neo: why am I getting that error? |
| 02:25:37 | NeoTron | I don't know |
| 02:25:40 | NeoTron | possibly a bug |
| 02:25:52 | NeoTron | I'm probably releasing the full version + updated demo today or tomorrow |
| 02:25:55 | JasonNJ-home | I am using the demo 1.0 |
| 02:26:08 | NeoTron | they are all 1.0 at this point. :-PP |
| 02:26:24 | JasonNJ-home | neo: you dont have a 5500 right |
| 02:26:58 | angry | sweet there's a java AIM library |
| 02:37:37 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 02:38:42 | kergoth | + |
| 02:38:49 | NeoTron | hrm. mplayer ported to the Zaurus |
| 02:38:55 | kergoth | mplayer rocks. |
| 02:39:22 | treke|home | finally the "Your computer is too slow" error will be appropriate |
| 02:39:30 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:39:43 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 02:39:55 | kergoth | THINKS he might be ready to start coding the Z keyboard driver for the input layer |
| 02:40:19 | br33zy | how do you set the applications name on its top bar? |
| 02:40:21 | treke|home | kergoth: you sound just as productive as I was today |
| 02:40:22 | br33zy | in QT? |
| 02:42:33 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe |
| 02:42:51 | kergoth | treke|home: i hate it when i spend so much time on concepts and not enough on solid code. |
| 02:42:58 | treke|home | I made the mistake of buying a new game and productivity went right down the tubes :) |
| 02:43:02 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:43:52 | angry | java question: how can users run .class files? |
| 02:47:00 | treke|home | kergoth: any prereqs for a 2.5 kernel? specicial binutils? |
| 02:48:30 | kergoth | treke|home: just a fairly recent binutils.. nothing special. |
| 02:48:41 | treke|home | excellante |
| 02:49:23 | jjbenham | any one here use the perl scripts to sync the zaurus with evolution? |
| 02:50:27 | treke|home | sweet. nice clean uncorrupt woody install :) |
| 02:50:35 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:50:51 | treke|home | now I need to remember to shut down properly |
| 02:51:38 | JasonNJ-home | jj: its called zesync and its on the killefiz site |
| 02:51:54 | JasonNJ-home | or just go to zauruszone.com and click downlaods |
| 02:51:55 | qurve | Hey hey. |
| 02:52:09 | qurve | Hey jason |
| 02:52:17 | qurve | Stop me if you've been asked this a million times already.... |
| 02:52:27 | jjbenham | JasonNJ-home: how does it compare with qtopia desktop performance wise? |
| 02:52:32 | qurve | Are there plans to fix whatever prevents certain SanDisk 128mb SD cards from working properly? |
| 02:52:43 | qurve | (Im wondering if I should return it or just hold onto it) |
| 02:52:43 | JasonNJ-home | yes |
| 02:52:49 | JasonNJ-home | new rom next week |
| 02:53:01 | qurve | You guys really have your shit together. |
| 02:53:13 | qurve | Sharp has gained my respect in immense amounts since I got my zaurus. |
| 02:53:15 | qurve | Hehe. |
| 02:53:25 | JasonNJ-home | well, we have been accused of NOT having our shit together |
| 02:53:32 | qurve | You kidding? |
| 02:53:42 | JasonNJ-home | I cant say I totally disagree, but we are improving |
| 02:53:42 | qurve | Man, I have had like *zero* problems with the zaurus |
| 02:53:48 | qurve | I like it more than my PC sometimes. |
| 02:54:08 | qurve | I'd buy you all a beer if I could. |
| 02:54:08 | treke|home | qurve: would you mind picking some lotto numbers for me? |
| 02:54:21 | kergoth | qurve: most people love the Z hardware wise, but there are a lot of complaints about the software, and a lot of people have complaints against sharp regarding their interfacing with the linux community. |
| 02:54:21 | qurve | I'm not sure how lucky I am. |
| 02:54:24 | kergoth | treke|home: lol |
| 02:54:35 | JasonNJ-home | anyways its late |
| 02:54:48 | JasonNJ-home | I gotta get some sleep before my wife wakes me up with nightmares from Hannibal |
| 02:54:57 | qurve | I'd love to see the filesystem redone to be more like a normal filesystem |
| 02:55:00 | qurve | That'd be my only 'complaint' |
| 02:55:02 | JasonNJ-home | niters |
| 02:55:03 | kergoth | qurve: install OZ :-) |
| 02:55:05 | qurve | (But then again it *is* just a PDA) |
| 02:55:07 | kergoth | night Jason |
| 02:55:11 | qurve | I'm still sketchy on OZ :] |
| 02:55:16 | qurve | Not sure if I want to do that yet. |
| 02:55:24 | kergoth | qurve: why's that? |
| 02:55:27 | qurve | Not knocking it |
| 02:55:30 | qurve | It's probably great |
| 02:55:35 | qurve | I just don't feel like redoing everything. |
| 02:55:45 | qurve | How compatible is it with everything? |
| 02:55:49 | kergoth | fully compatible |
| 02:55:53 | angry | what version of java do most users have by default? |
| 02:55:58 | qurve | Hrm |
| 02:56:03 | kergoth | OZ = no opera, no java, no hancom |
| 02:56:03 | treke|home | well except for java |
| 02:56:13 | qurve | The hancom's are nice |
| 02:56:20 | treke|home | you can get hancom very easily |
| 02:56:22 | kergoth | qurve: ben wrote a script to create ipks from hancom |
| 02:56:26 | kergoth | qurve: then you install them into OZ |
| 02:56:31 | qurve | But I was told there are ways to rip the ipks out |
| 02:56:33 | qurve | yeah |
| 02:56:41 | treke|home | you can find them on google :) |
| 02:56:43 | qurve | Maybe I'll look into it :] |
| 02:56:47 | kergoth | qurve: he's doing scripts for java and opera also, fyi |
| 02:56:48 | jjbenham | Do you guys think hancom office is better than open/star office? |
| 02:56:55 | kergoth | jjbenham: uhhh HELL no |
| 02:56:58 | kergoth | jjbenham: heh |
| 02:57:16 | kergoth | jjbenham: but the only hancom i've used is the apps on my PDA, not anything desktop wise |
| 02:57:49 | jjbenham | kergoth: ok. I have not used my hancom on my zaurus yet. |
| 02:57:56 | qurve | They're highly useful |
| 02:58:05 | qurve | I've already used the hancom spreadsheet to give someone a clue |
| 02:58:11 | qurve | (my schools financial aid office) |
| 02:58:24 | qurve | I brought in my spreadsheet to illustrate their bad math :] |
| 02:58:36 | treke|home | haha |
| 02:58:40 | jjbenham | thats funny |
| 02:58:41 | qurve | It was priceless |
| 02:58:43 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:58:46 | qurve | "No, seriously, you're wrong look" |
| 02:58:56 | treke|home | runs and hides |
| 02:58:57 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:58:58 | qurve | "Oh, thats neat, what is that?" |
| 02:59:10 | qurve | Then I went into my 10 minute long speech about how cool the zaurus is. |
| 02:59:13 | treke|home | please tell me you dont go to brooks institute :) |
| 02:59:14 | qurve | I could sell these things. |
| 02:59:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:59:30 | kergoth | qurve: i do that all the time too, people love it |
| 02:59:40 | kergoth | qurve: they're always shocked when you pull out the keyboard |
| 02:59:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:59:56 | qurve | Yeah |
| 03:00:03 | qurve | (Thats the main reason I bought it) |
| 03:00:14 | qurve | my gf even wants one. |
| 03:00:33 | qurve | My friends were sold once I was playing Doom in class. |
| 03:00:47 | qurve | I no longer feel trapped in boring classes. |
| 03:02:09 | kergoth | works great in meetings too |
| 03:02:10 | kergoth | :-) |
| 03:02:16 | qurve | Well |
| 03:02:22 | qurve | I'm very happy that they are fixing the sd card problem |
| 03:02:24 | qurve | That made my night. |
| 03:02:40 | kergoth | screw listening to these idiot marketing people, lets play bust'em |
| 03:02:45 | kergoth | eheh |
| 03:02:51 | treke|home | everyone seems to suck at getting sd working |
| 03:02:55 | qurve | well |
| 03:02:59 | qurve | I got mine half-working |
| 03:03:02 | qurve | but there are major bugs |
| 03:03:08 | treke|home | qurve: I meant pda makers |
| 03:03:10 | qurve | like the infinitely recursive filesystem it creates on the card |
| 03:03:11 | qurve | oh |
| 03:03:11 | qurve | :] |
| 03:03:31 | qurve | i cant even rm -rf the card |
| 03:03:40 | qurve | because eventually it hits filenames that are too long for the zaurus to handle |
| 03:03:44 | qurve | Heh |
| 03:03:46 | angry | NeoTron: you there |
| 03:03:47 | angry | ? |
| 03:12:37 | codemnky | what up peeps |
| 03:13:01 | treke|home | Ifun kernel panic :) |
| 03:13:04 | codemnky | hears crikets |
| 03:19:58 | jmhodges | heay |
| 03:24:40 | arrrg | I am running the keypebble vnc viewer |
| 03:24:44 | jmhodges | hey arrrg |
| 03:24:46 | arrrg | I want to rotate it 90 degrees |
| 03:24:51 | arrrg | hello jmhodges |
| 03:25:01 | treke|home | arrrg: edit the .Desktop file or use qpe-rotation |
| 03:25:14 | arrrg | the .Desktop file.. which one? for vncviewer? |
| 03:25:21 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:25:24 | arrrg | vncviewer.desktop |
| 03:25:25 | mark | hi all |
| 03:25:30 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 03:25:37 | treke|home | I think its keypebble.vnc |
| 03:25:40 | arrrg | qpe-rotation.. what is that? |
| 03:25:45 | mark | is in canada |
| 03:25:54 | treke|home | a package that lets your rotate the screen |
| 03:25:55 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:25:57 | mark | where is the list of wireless lan cards that benmeyer put up? |
| 03:26:04 | kergoth | mark: ZZ howtos |
| 03:26:08 | treke|home | maybe I ought to make rotation a config option |
| 03:26:09 | jmhodges | mark: what you doing in canuck territory? |
| 03:26:37 | mark | jmhodges: holiday |
| 03:27:07 | mark | kergoth: hmm, cant find em. grr |
| 03:27:09 | jmhodges | ah vacation nice |
| 03:27:54 | | howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 03:27:54 | kergoth | ibot: howtos? |
| 03:27:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:27:59 | arrrg | I couldn't find vncviewer.desktop or vncviewer.vnc |
| 03:28:02 | arrrg | hmmm.. |
| 03:28:08 | arrrg | I am useing locate :-D |
| 03:28:16 | kergoth | arrrg: /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/... |
| 03:28:22 | jmhodges | updatedb maybe be of use |
| 03:28:31 | arrrg | I did updatedb |
| 03:28:32 | treke|home | arrrg: looke for keypebble.desktop |
| 03:28:33 | kergoth | arrrg: try 'find' |
| 03:28:38 | arrrg | ooh |
| 03:28:44 | kergoth | thatd help too |
| 03:28:45 | kergoth | hehh |
| 03:29:04 | arrrg | got it - keypebble.desktop |
| 03:29:06 | mark | kergoth: what do you have? |
| 03:29:21 | treke|home | who the hell is gonna associate keypebble with vncviewer :) |
| 03:29:27 | kergoth | mark: dlink. i wouldnt buy it now though |
| 03:29:44 | kergoth | treke|home: who the hell decided to call it keypebble anyway |
| 03:29:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:29:45 | mark | kergoth: linksys looks good to me |
| 03:29:55 | kergoth | mark: depends on what you're looking for. |
| 03:29:57 | treke|home | kergoth: Its a stripped down port of the KDE app keystone |
| 03:30:05 | mark | kergoth: something cheap that works :) |
| 03:30:15 | jmhodges | smc sounds like the wya to go to me :) |
| 03:30:20 | jmhodges | but i have no real experience with it |
| 03:30:30 | kergoth | mark: ah, then yeah linksys would work... but linksys and dlink are quite large, fyi. they use the original prism2 chipset, not the smaller prism2.5 |
| 03:30:32 | treke|home | still makes more sense to call it something like qpe-vncviewer since its a part of trolltechs qpe :) |
| 03:30:33 | jmhodges | just heard good things |
| 03:30:35 | arrrg | I thought that .desktop file was just an icon |
| 03:30:46 | mark | kergoth: whats smaller? |
| 03:30:53 | treke|home | arrrg: nope. It can hold any info you want |
| 03:30:57 | kergoth | mark: SMC, buffalo, socket/symbol, etc |
| 03:31:02 | kergoth | mark: They're all prism2.5 |
| 03:31:12 | kergoth | mark: they dont block either headphones or stylus |
| 03:31:16 | arrrg | treke|home: so how can I tell it to rotate? |
| 03:31:20 | kergoth | mark: but i believe theres a sacrifice in range |
| 03:31:30 | kergoth | mark: they also dont draw as much power as the prism2 cards |
| 03:31:32 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 03:31:35 | sig | you around dude? |
| 03:31:36 | arrrg | where is there a comprehensive guide for this thing |
| 03:31:44 | W|GGL|T | wasaaaaaa |
| 03:31:47 | treke|home | arrrg: Let me look it up |
| 03:31:48 | sig | dude |
| 03:31:53 | mark | kergoth: thanks for the info |
| 03:31:54 | sig | I got a question |
| 03:31:58 | sig | ready? |
| 03:32:03 | kergoth | mark: np |
| 03:32:07 | W|GGL|T | http://www.wigglit.com/images/zscreens/SL-5500.JPG |
| 03:32:08 | W|GGL|T | shoot |
| 03:32:13 | mark | kergoth: linksys is cheap, very cheap. |
| 03:32:19 | treke|home | arrrg: comprehensive guide? http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/ |
| 03:32:21 | kergoth | mark: indeed it is |
| 03:32:36 | sig | I got a HP OmniBook 300 and I was wondering what kind of linux I could put on it? |
| 03:32:41 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe. be nice.. |
| 03:32:53 | treke|home | kergoth: Well thats the honest answer :) |
| 03:32:58 | W|GGL|T | is a Toshiba man |
| 03:32:59 | kergoth | treke|home: still :-) |
| 03:32:59 | treke|home | its where I'm looking |
| 03:33:03 | W|GGL|T | dunno about HP |
| 03:33:09 | sig | W|GGL|T: this i oldschool |
| 03:33:17 | W|GGL|T | ive heard that HP is finnicky with linux |
| 03:33:31 | sig | http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/10/pt10005d.htm |
| 03:34:09 | W|GGL|T | cannot be found |
| 03:34:19 | sig | http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/10/pt10005d.htm |
| 03:34:22 | sig | it works |
| 03:34:23 | W|GGL|T | got it |
| 03:34:31 | mark | kergoth: and power consumption looks pretty good |
| 03:34:42 | W|GGL|T | wtf is it running, in that pic? |
| 03:34:44 | W|GGL|T | winCE? |
| 03:34:51 | sig | lol |
| 03:34:53 | sig | 3.1 i think |
| 03:35:04 | W|GGL|T | what's the specs? |
| 03:35:24 | sig | http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/10/pt100023.htm |
| 03:35:29 | treke|home | arrrg: Try Rotation: 90 |
| 03:35:42 | W|GGL|T | i suppose you could throw zipslack on it or some small rinky-dink distro |
| 03:35:58 | sig | here W|GGL|T http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/9/ptp90023.htm |
| 03:36:27 | W|GGL|T | 386 |
| 03:36:42 | sig | heh |
| 03:36:55 | sig | I guess |
| 03:36:55 | sig | Display |
| 03:36:55 | sig | 640 x 480 dot VGA |
| 03:36:55 | sig | 9-inch diagonal LCD |
| 03:36:55 | sig | 16 shades of gray |
| 03:36:55 | sig | lol |
| 03:36:55 | W|GGL|T | whoa |
| 03:37:00 | W|GGL|T | 40mb disk space |
| 03:37:06 | sig | this will be fun |
| 03:37:46 | W|GGL|T | 2mb ram expandable to 8 |
| 03:37:48 | mark | kergoth: SD cards are pretty cheap here too, I should pick one up |
| 03:38:01 | qurve | I got my 128 for $50 |
| 03:38:02 | qurve | :] |
| 03:38:12 | qurve | buy.com |
| 03:38:19 | qurve | (as of now it doesnt work though) |
| 03:38:24 | W|GGL|T | sig: does it have a floppy drive? |
| 03:38:25 | mark | do these US places deliver to ca too/ |
| 03:38:25 | qurve | Hopefully next weeks rom update will fix that. |
| 03:38:54 | sig | no |
| 03:38:56 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 03:38:57 | angry | in OPIE how can i install a package while its on my CF card |
| 03:39:04 | W|GGL|T | i |
| 03:39:05 | sig | it has a pcmcia adapter |
| 03:39:31 | W|GGL|T | there are many smallish distros out there what should run on it |
| 03:39:41 | sig | hmm |
| 03:39:50 | sig | it has a ROM |
| 03:40:17 | angry | ahh never mind |
| 03:40:18 | W|GGL|T | i was gonna say use one of those linux bootable toolkits but you'd have to have a cdrom drive for that |
| 03:40:33 | sig | :( |
| 03:40:49 | jmhodges | what about rooboot? |
| 03:40:58 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 03:41:10 | W|GGL|T | there are alot of small distros |
| 03:41:27 | kergoth | angry: oipkg. either in the Dests section of the options, you set the default dest, or tap+hold on the app |
| 03:41:42 | sig | hmm |
| 03:41:43 | sig | comes with a modem |
| 03:41:44 | sig | hehe |
| 03:41:46 | sig | built in |
| 03:41:54 | W|GGL|T | sig: there are probably user groups or something out there too, for that particular system |
| 03:42:03 | W|GGL|T | 14.4kbps? |
| 03:42:03 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 03:42:05 | sig | (includes adapter and power cable): |
| 03:42:05 | sig | 1.70 kg (3.75 lb) with flash disk |
| 03:42:05 | sig | 1.74 kg (3.84 lb) with hard disk |
| 03:42:22 | sig | W|GGL|T: i've been looking for people that run linux on it |
| 03:42:30 | sig | but can't find anything about it with linux |
| 03:42:43 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 03:42:52 | W|GGL|T | well, you'd be the first :o) |
| 03:43:03 | sig | Add mass storage or communications capabilities using PCMCIA, Type II, Version 2.0 card slots |
| 03:43:05 | W|GGL|T | if it can run windows, it can run linux...heh |
| 03:43:13 | sig | wonder if my pretec nic will work in it |
| 03:43:23 | sig | Two slots available with the 10-MB flash disk version |
| 03:43:23 | sig | One slot available with the 40-MB hard disk version |
| 03:43:33 | kergoth | sig: probably.. pretec is just a ne2000 compatible nic |
| 03:43:39 | sig | hmm |
| 03:43:47 | sig | does redhat have a mini distro? |
| 03:44:43 | W|GGL|T | i dont think so |
| 03:44:46 | sig | http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/9/ptp90025.htm |
| 03:45:18 | sig | Microsoft Excel Version 4.0 |
| 03:45:21 | sig | MS-DOS Version 5.0 |
| 03:45:25 | sig | LapLink Remote Access |
| 03:58:11 | W|GGL|T | goes to searching for wifi pages, for a good read |
| 04:01:38 | W|GGL|T | looks like i need to roll back a graphics driver...XP keeps seizing after i installed new capture card drivers |
| 04:09:25 | kergoth | wow, kio-fish is sweet |
| 04:09:28 | kergoth | never tried it before |
| 04:09:44 | jmhodges | kio-fish? |
| 04:10:15 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:10:16 | kergoth | for kde3 |
| 04:10:33 | kergoth | its a kio plugin that lets you access remote files via regular shell commands |
| 04:10:40 | jmhodges | hmm.. interesting |
| 04:10:47 | kergoth | in other words, you can browse a remote box you have ssh access to with konqueror |
| 04:10:47 | jmhodges | and the fish part ;) |
| 04:10:48 | kergoth | :-) |
| 04:11:07 | kergoth | drag files off a remote box using ssh with konq into your homedir |
| 04:11:11 | kergoth | niftiness |
| 04:11:21 | jmhodges | interesting |
| 04:11:24 | jmhodges | but kde :/ |
| 04:11:26 | kergoth | like a gui scp, only its built into konq |
| 04:11:27 | kergoth | :-) |
| 04:11:29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:11:46 | jmhodges | maybe someone will port it elsewhere :) |
| 04:11:52 | jmhodges | im not a huge fan of konq |
| 04:11:55 | kergoth | also cervisia integrates with konq |
| 04:12:04 | kergoth | for dealing with a CVS repository |
| 04:12:13 | jmhodges | shrugs |
| 04:12:16 | jmhodges | cool |
| 04:12:17 | kergoth | handy... just right click on a file in cvs and click update.. or view log.. or.. |
| 04:12:22 | kergoth | like explorer integration in windows |
| 04:12:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:12:25 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:12:37 | kergoth | course me, I use the terminals more than anything |
| 04:12:40 | jmhodges | riiight .. watch your ass with that stuff :) |
| 04:12:45 | kergoth | but i like to see that stuff happening for the end users |
| 04:12:48 | jmhodges | (integration that is ) |
| 04:12:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:12:54 | jmhodges | kergoth: same here |
| 04:13:01 | jmhodges | i just wish it wasnt konq |
| 04:13:04 | jmhodges | :( |
| 04:13:19 | treke|home | thank god for dsl |
| 04:13:38 | jmhodges | interesting.. i would have thought nf would have reported the kernel by now.. |
| 04:13:45 | treke|home | on my fourth kernel download of the night :) |
| 04:13:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:13:54 | kergoth | i'm close.. |
| 04:14:06 | kergoth | just cloned the linux 2.5 bk tree.. that takes a while |
| 04:14:11 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:14:16 | jmhodges | 4th?? |
| 04:14:20 | jmhodges | why treke|home :) |
| 04:14:50 | kergoth | takes a break from reading input layer code and rewrites his resume |
| 04:15:00 | treke|home | jmhodges: keep downloading the wrong version :) |
| 04:15:03 | jmhodges | lol kergoth |
| 04:15:07 | jmhodges | hehe treke|home |
| 04:15:18 | jmhodges | kergoth: whats with the constant updates today ? :) |
| 04:16:54 | kergoth | jmhodges: see i'm a slacker, so if by issuing updates i can waste time rather than doing what i should be doing, that much the better |
| 04:16:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:16:58 | kergoth | j/k of course |
| 04:17:04 | jmhodges | lol :) |
| 04:17:17 | jmhodges | ( i meant resume ;) |
| 04:17:18 | kergoth | seriously though, i do spend too much time on irc |
| 04:17:26 | qurve | Ha |
| 04:17:28 | qurve | irc wastes my life. |
| 04:17:32 | kergoth | i mean look at ibot's stats for #zaurus |
| 04:17:36 | qurve | I'd probably be rich if it wasnt for IRC |
| 04:17:38 | kergoth | i talk like twice as much as the next person below me |
| 04:17:41 | kergoth | i mean wtf |
| 04:17:47 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:17:48 | kergoth | qurve: lol.. we all like to think that.... |
| 04:17:52 | jmhodges | your a good dev guy |
| 04:17:56 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:17:58 | kergoth | talk talk talk no code? |
| 04:17:59 | jmhodges | um.. sure |
| 04:18:01 | kergoth | thats not a good dev guy |
| 04:18:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:18:04 | jmhodges | thats a good rationale |
| 04:18:13 | jmhodges | kergoth: lol right |
| 04:18:22 | qurve | I haven't coded anything useful in months. |
| 04:18:35 | qurve | Except half way through a remote trillian exploit. |
| 04:18:47 | kergoth | qurve: well i'm not that bad.. i coded useful stuff today even.. but nothing thats sufficiently useful to release ina while |
| 04:18:49 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:19:20 | qurve | I don't enjoy any of the projects I'm working on. |
| 04:19:23 | qurve | That's my problem. |
| 04:19:41 | kergoth | qurve: oh i hate that! |
| 04:19:44 | qurve | They've turned into things I *have* to finish, and the stuff I *want* to code is completely different :] |
| 04:19:52 | kergoth | qurve: my current project is FUN.. but who knows how long thatll last.... |
| 04:20:02 | qurve | I change my interests too fast. |
| 04:20:04 | jmhodges | kergoth: probably as long as the Zaursu is neat |
| 04:20:10 | jmhodges | kergoth: and useful to you |
| 04:20:11 | qurve | I also enjoy learning as many things as possible |
| 04:20:18 | qurve | So I jump from PHP to C to TCL to C++ |
| 04:20:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:20:53 | qurve | Right now I'm stick in a bunch of management interfaces in PHP/mySQL |
| 04:20:57 | qurve | But I want to be learning C/ASM |
| 04:20:58 | kergoth | i jump from php to c to asm to c++ with a little perl thrown in |
| 04:20:58 | qurve | :] |
| 04:21:01 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:21:13 | qurve | well, technically I know C |
| 04:21:16 | qurve | I just need to know ASM |
| 04:21:32 | kergoth | Current projects: 2.4.6->2.5.26 port for zaurus support, php/mysql architected knowledge base for work, rewrite of one of Digi |
| 04:21:38 | kergoth | 's linux drivers |
| 04:21:41 | kergoth | and OZ of course. |
| 04:21:48 | qurve | oh you code OZ? |
| 04:21:48 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 04:21:49 | qurve | Heh |
| 04:21:51 | kergoth | qurve: I like asm |
| 04:21:55 | qurve | As do I |
| 04:22:05 | kergoth | yaeh i do OZ |
| 04:22:06 | qurve | I just need a good book |
| 04:22:16 | kergoth | ARM asm is pretty nifty, btw |
| 04:22:30 | qurve | I recently read a tutorial on ARM shellcode :] |
| 04:28:09 | treke|home | ok, that one doesnt compile either :) time to go back to 2.4 |
| 04:28:49 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe. 2.5.30 not compiling? |
| 04:29:24 | treke|home | nope. neither would 28 |
| 04:29:44 | treke|home | acpi isnt happy |
| 04:30:02 | treke|home | will deal with it later :) |
| 04:30:42 | treke|home | the nice thing about 2.5 was that everything I wanted was there out of the box :) |
| 04:30:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:31:04 | kergoth | 2.5.30 wont compile hafl the drivers |
| 04:31:13 | kergoth | are you doing a custom kernel or one with everything enabled like redhats or debians? |
| 04:31:20 | treke|home | you have any version you recommend? Custom |
| 04:31:27 | kergoth | i'd use 2.5.30-dj1 myself |
| 04:31:31 | kergoth | dave jones tree |
| 04:31:35 | kergoth | the equiv of -ac for 2.4 |
| 04:31:48 | kergoth | itll have patches that are still outstanding, not into linus' tree yet |
| 04:31:53 | treke|home | alright. I'll give that a chance |
| 04:32:10 | jmhodges | waits as .19 d/ls |
| 04:47:33 | NeoTron | so is 2.5 kernels any ood? |
| 04:48:21 | kergoth | very |
| 04:48:25 | kergoth | the progress is quite impressive |
| 04:48:30 | kergoth | but its still very very much in flux |
| 04:48:39 | jmhodges | excellent |
| 04:49:11 | kergoth | http://www.kernelnewbies.org/status/ |
| 04:49:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:49:16 | kergoth | i sleep now |
| 04:49:20 | kergoth | code tomorrow |
| 04:49:40 | jmhodges | gnight kergoth |
| 04:49:42 | treke|ho1e | NeoTron: we'll see how long my hard drive survives with it :) |
| 04:49:48 | jmhodges | anyone else using the stable .19 kenel? |
| 04:49:59 | NeoTron | I have some scary problems with the latest MDK kernels |
| 04:50:01 | kergoth`zzz | treke|ho1e: you get the -dj kernel built? |
| 04:50:01 | jmhodges | i need a confirm on a bug a friend is haveing (im still d/ling) |
| 04:50:15 | NeoTron | namely that with the enterprise kernel (i.e to support all my memory) my computer locks up |
| 04:50:18 | treke|ho1e | kergoth`zzz: just finished configuring, building now |
| 04:50:23 | NeoTron | or to be exact, disk access just _dies_ |
| 04:50:31 | kergoth`zzz | treke|ho1e: nice, good luck |
| 04:50:34 | NeoTron | like you had pulled the disks out |
| 04:50:36 | treke|ho1e | bah died even sooner :) |
| 04:50:41 | kergoth`zzz | hah |
| 04:50:42 | NeoTron | at least the XFS disks.. |
| 04:50:43 | jmhodges | n/m he cleared it up |
| 04:50:48 | kergoth`zzz | k zzzzz |
| 04:50:52 | jmhodges | problem between the chair and desk |
| 04:51:00 | NeoTron | and sometimes I have issues with the USB not working too |
| 04:51:00 | treke|ho1e | this time in the 24 ide stuff :) |
| 04:51:09 | jmhodges | gnight kergoth`zzz |
| 04:51:11 | NeoTron | wonders if perhaps it's time to compile a new kernel |
| 04:51:13 | treke|ho1e | night |
| 04:51:22 | NeoTron | if the config app just wasn't so damn painful |
| 04:51:49 | jmhodges | NeoTron: you mean make menuconfig or make xconfig or just make config ? |
| 04:51:50 | treke|ho1e | well I reinstalled, so its either compile a new one or use 2.2.20 :) |
| 04:52:00 | NeoTron | jmhodges: right, they all suck |
| 04:52:02 | arrrg | ok I put rotation=90 in keypebble.desktop |
| 04:52:06 | jmhodges | hehe what distor? |
| 04:52:09 | NeoTron | menuconfig is the best one really |
| 04:52:10 | arrrg | and it doesn't work |
| 04:52:15 | NeoTron | xconfig is just so damn bad it's amazing |
| 04:52:18 | arrrg | but don't I need qpe-rotation for it to wrok? |
| 04:52:23 | treke|ho1e | arrrg: no |
| 04:52:24 | NeoTron | give me a GTK or QT interface at any time please! |
| 04:52:36 | jmhodges | NeoTron: i think i agree.. been a while since i used xconfig ;) |
| 04:52:37 | treke|ho1e | ugh, give me an ncurses interface any day :) |
| 04:52:45 | jmhodges | and that was in redhat .. so a long while |
| 04:52:47 | arrrg | treke|ho1e: ok |
| 04:52:58 | NeoTron | treke|ho1e: well, menuconfig is text based at least and not that bad |
| 04:53:05 | jmhodges | NeoTron: tell me how it is.. i want to try to remember |
| 04:53:13 | treke|ho1e | arrrg: the paramter is something else then |
| 04:53:14 | jmhodges | NeoTron: bad that is |
| 04:53:23 | treke|ho1e | arrrg: And I dont have the source in front of me |
| 04:53:33 | NeoTron | jmhodges: isn't it tcl/tk or something? it's just using a very bad toolkit... |
| 04:53:37 | NeoTron | "old" if you wish |
| 04:53:42 | treke|ho1e | tlc/tk |
| 04:53:49 | arrrg | treke|ho1e: thats ok.. I lost that link you gave me before (power went out) |
| 04:53:52 | NeoTron | and the UI in general hasn't scaled with the large number of options |
| 04:54:19 | treke|ho1e | hmmm, the 25 ide stuff compiled, hopefully thats good :) |
| 04:55:35 | jmhodges | hehehe NeoTron |
| 05:04:46 | jmhodges | wb cdm |
| 05:07:05 | treke|ho1e | givs up and goes back to 2.4 |
| 05:07:18 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:07:41 | arrrg | I hate opera |
| 05:07:46 | treke|ho1e | why? |
| 05:08:13 | arrrg | well, I don't use any opera besides the one on the z |
| 05:08:20 | arrrg | and the one on the z doesn't let me save anything |
| 05:08:55 | arrrg | like, I have links that are links to files. If I click them it opens the file. I want to right click and "save target as" but I can't |
| 05:08:55 | cdm | thanks. |
| 05:09:41 | jmhodges | hows things cdm? |
| 05:09:57 | cdm | jmhodges: pretty good - just about have a new build of the eQip stuff ready for people to play with... |
| 05:11:10 | jmhodges | cool |
| 05:11:15 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:11:32 | jmhodges | hehe my qnx is not playing nice |
| 05:12:35 | cdm | shitty - did you manage to not get into photon and get a terminal login? |
| 05:17:08 | W|GGL|T | i should put on qnx...long time since i've played with it |
| 05:18:30 | jmhodges | it dont like usb mice :/ |
| 05:19:04 | W|GGL|T | is using a ps2 adapter with his usb mouse...because of my kvm |
| 05:20:26 | jmhodges | OH MAN |
| 05:20:31 | jmhodges | i have one of those lying around |
| 05:20:36 | jmhodges | hm. |
| 05:20:36 | jmhodges | bah |
| 05:20:48 | jmhodges | i feel like eiditn that config file cdm told me about |
| 05:20:53 | jmhodges | now to figure out the proper editor command |
| 05:21:14 | br33zy | gtg now |
| 05:21:17 | br33zy | i'm in /dev/null |
| 05:23:25 | arrrg | well I shouldn't bitch too much bout opera.. it is pretty nice, besides that I can't save anything |
| 05:23:42 | jmhodges | how about konq? |
| 05:23:48 | arrrg | konq for z? |
| 05:23:56 | arrrg | I never used it. |
| 05:24:07 | jmhodges | its pretty damn nice |
| 05:24:07 | arrrg | I just got this thing 2 days ago :-p |
| 05:24:25 | treke|ho1e | works fine |
| 05:24:26 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:24:51 | arrrg | so there is now way I can save something thats on a web page from my zaurus right now |
| 05:25:17 | arrrg | so I can't even get these 2 .ipk's I want :( |
| 05:25:38 | arrrg | the add/remove programs doesn't work either |
| 05:25:44 | arrrg | it doesn't see my url or something.. some error |
| 05:26:06 | arrrg | error ipkg says something went wrong. Sorry. |
| 05:26:50 | cdm | W|GGL|T: soon you will be able to try QNX on your Z as well. ;) |
| 05:28:57 | sig | cdm: you got any sshots? |
| 05:29:18 | W|GGL|T | cdm: yeah, heard that awhile back |
| 05:29:36 | W|GGL|T | key word is 'soon'...soon in developer lingo could mean next year |
| 05:29:38 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:29:44 | sig | what would we benifit by using qnx on the z? |
| 05:29:51 | W|GGL|T | prolly quicker |
| 05:29:55 | sig | hmm |
| 05:29:59 | W|GGL|T | and it looks REALLY nice |
| 05:30:01 | sig | but not much useability |
| 05:30:14 | W|GGL|T | sig: yeah, much like OZ was at first |
| 05:30:17 | sig | will IR, syncing, etc work |
| 05:30:25 | W|GGL|T | dunno...we'll see |
| 05:30:38 | sig | I wanna see some screenshots cdm |
| 05:30:46 | W|GGL|T | and if enough people like it, they can jump on the developer bandwagon |
| 05:31:25 | sig | http://www.stampede.org/~lethal/stickfigurefight.avi |
| 05:31:30 | sig | watch that W|GGL|T |
| 05:32:07 | W|GGL|T | seen that one |
| 05:32:14 | W|GGL|T | there's a page with a shitload of them |
| 05:32:30 | W|GGL|T | and there's even an interactive one where you can shoot bad guys |
| 05:32:32 | sig | yeah |
| 05:32:35 | sig | I watched them all |
| 05:33:42 | arrrg | jmhodges: can I download stuff with konq ? |
| 05:34:50 | jmhodges | ACK apparently NOT!? |
| 05:34:54 | W|GGL|T | sig: http://qnx.wox.org/ipaq/ |
| 05:35:07 | W|GGL|T | http://qnx.wox.org/ipaq/screenshots/ |
| 05:35:29 | arrrg | jmhodges: no? |
| 05:35:33 | sig | hmm |
| 05:35:41 | sig | well it looks nice |
| 05:35:47 | jmhodges | i couldve sworn |
| 05:36:55 | arrrg | don't sound too good |
| 05:37:02 | treke|ho1e | arrrg: no you cant |
| 05:37:22 | arrrg | suck! is there any browser for zaurus that can? |
| 05:37:25 | W|GGL|T | you can't with opera either, no? |
| 05:37:30 | W|GGL|T | wget |
| 05:37:31 | treke|ho1e | arrrg: no |
| 05:37:49 | arrrg | ! |
| 05:38:46 | arrrg | http://www.climbnorth.tk |
| 05:38:52 | W|GGL|T | wget works fine |
| 05:39:14 | arrrg | thats my files php thing I wanted to use for web fetching files on a computer |
| 05:44:15 | W|GGL|T | ziff davis is gonna file for bankruptcy? |
| 05:46:40 | jmhodges | yep |
| 05:55:04 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 05:55:05 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/downloads/bates1.mp3 |
| 05:55:13 | sig | funnier than shit |
| 05:55:20 | sig | norman bates soundboard pranks |
| 05:56:10 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:56:26 | jmhodges | is watching johnny mnemonic just to see why its so bad |
| 05:56:29 | jmhodges | is beginning to see |
| 05:57:42 | jmhodges | OMG |
| 05:57:52 | jmhodges | its at the "secret base" scene |
| 05:57:56 | jmhodges | this is awful |
| 05:59:21 | Wembly | bah |
| 05:59:30 | Wembly | johnny mnemonic was funnycool :) |
| 05:59:33 | Wembly | kinda like hackers :) |
| 05:59:47 | Wembly | the music was coolie the movie was funny |
| 06:00:58 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:02:40 | arrrg | http://www.climbnorth.tk check in imgs and see demo1 and demo2 |
| 06:03:13 | arrrg | my 90 degree rotated vnc of my desktop with xmms |
| 06:03:13 | arrrg | :-p |
| 06:03:15 | jmhodges | wtf ? the vw bug blew up in midair |
| 06:03:15 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 06:03:36 | arrrg | now all I need is a sound |
| 06:03:37 | arrrg | !!! |
| 06:06:48 | jmhodges | headphones? ;) |
| 06:07:46 | arrrg | it's not configured |
| 06:07:49 | arrrg | need to get driver |
| 06:07:57 | arrrg | :-p |
| 06:08:42 | arrrg | I wish I had a camera, so I can show you people the end result. The only camera I have is a web cam :-P |
| 06:08:52 | arrrg | I would need like 30ft usb cable or something |
| 06:08:56 | arrrg | or 100 |
| 06:27:41 | cdm | sig: I don't have any shots running on the Z yet - but it will be the same as the other eQip stuff - http://qnxzone.com/eQip/ |
| 06:29:59 | arrrg | did someone here "enter" my computer and erase my kernel source files? |
| 06:30:05 | jmhodges | ouch |
| 06:34:34 | Wembly | herm. |
| 06:37:54 | jmhodges | hey Wembly, lookslike the mark on my stylus was an extra bit of plastic |
| 06:38:01 | jmhodges | not a scratch :) |
| 06:38:11 | jmhodges | think i can sand it down.. |
| 06:38:17 | jmhodges | but the Z still needs a new screen |
| 06:38:17 | arrrg | where can I get an extra stylus? |
| 06:38:35 | arrrg | top right corner of my screen makes a noise when I tap it |
| 06:38:39 | jmhodges | many local comp stores |
| 06:38:39 | arrrg | and is slightly faded |
| 06:38:49 | arrrg | jmhodges: not best buy |
| 06:38:54 | jmhodges | really? |
| 06:38:56 | jmhodges | odd |
| 06:39:00 | arrrg | I should try compusa, but they don't even carry the sharp at all |
| 06:39:28 | jmhodges | treke|ho1e: is that home not ho1e ? |
| 06:39:37 | jmhodges | or is it a basement or wha?:) |
| 06:40:24 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
| 06:40:39 | arrrg | government abandoned missile silo? |
| 06:40:55 | arrrg | thats what I want for my crazy super secret operations |
| 06:41:05 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 06:41:26 | jmhodges | i just want a crazy super secret operation to pull off |
| 06:41:26 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:42:16 | jmhodges | omg |
| 06:42:18 | jmhodges | fark rocks |
| 06:42:41 | jmhodges | 61 year old man kills a cougar that jumped him from behind iwth a fucking pocketknife |
| 06:45:49 | estebanx | hi all. |
| 06:46:58 | estebanx | does anybody knows how to use the zaurus as an usb host? |
| 06:48:05 | treke|ho1e | estebanx: you cant |
| 06:48:15 | estebanx | oh. |
| 06:48:51 | estebanx | i was thinking to attach a portable usb hd to my zaurus. |
| 06:48:56 | treke|ho1e | cant |
| 06:49:41 | angry | ellohhh |
| 06:49:43 | XavierXeon | I think you may use ia as an usb host if you had an cf-pcmcia and a pcmcia-usb card. |
| 06:49:59 | angry | java shouldnt be this easy to decompile :( |
| 06:50:50 | arrrg | the only thing the z lacks is a speaker |
| 06:51:00 | estebanx | arrrg: right. |
| 06:51:01 | angry | + a microphone |
| 06:51:22 | arrrg | yeah microphone would be good too... which could be incorporated in the speaker |
| 06:51:33 | estebanx | yep. |
| 06:51:37 | arrrg | which is probably why there is a microphone/speaker jack |
| 06:51:48 | XavierXeon | i just want better quality head phone output |
| 06:52:02 | angry | yeah |
| 06:52:03 | angry | bad quality |
| 06:52:10 | arrrg | I need a new stylus, where can I get one? |
| 06:52:12 | angry | esp. on higher sounds |
| 06:52:20 | arrrg | angry: did you try the tkcPlayer |
| 06:52:24 | arrrg | or whatever it's spelled |
| 06:52:32 | angry | nope |
| 06:52:44 | arrrg | angry: it's supposed to sound better |
| 06:52:48 | angry | o |
| 06:52:49 | arrrg | and use less battery |
| 06:52:52 | arrrg | and cpu |
| 06:52:57 | arrrg | and memory |
| 06:53:03 | XavierXeon | arrrg: i have it. its ok but the sound is to "flat" for me |
| 06:53:26 | arrrg | this thing needs an equalizer |
| 06:53:28 | XavierXeon | it needs some EQ |
| 06:53:36 | arrrg | XavierXeon: yes |
| 06:54:13 | estebanx | hm.. is there any technical reason for not having usb host functionality? |
| 06:54:15 | arrrg | hmm.. I wonder if I can make a cf microphone+speaker card |
| 06:54:52 | arrrg | probably not! |
| 06:56:11 | XavierXeon | i think ljp has a micro on his Z |
| 06:57:17 | angry | yeah but you need to do some cutting of the back of the Z i think |
| 06:58:06 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: up late again ? |
| 06:58:29 | jmhodges | yeah XavierXeon :) |
| 07:03:09 | NeoTron | signs up another porting partner to his "very possible" list. |
| 07:03:18 | NeoTron | three down, many to go |
| 07:03:21 | NeoTron | or something |
| 07:03:25 | NeoTron | three _new_ down that is |
| 07:03:44 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: what you ot this time ? |
| 07:03:56 | XavierXeon | s/ot/got/ |
| 07:04:10 | NeoTron | won't announce anything yet |
| 07:04:21 | NeoTron | not until I know that I have it for sure and have their permission to announce it |
| 07:04:27 | jmhodges | ??? |
| 07:04:31 | jmhodges | thats not nice |
| 07:04:37 | XavierXeon | sounds reasonable |
| 07:04:37 | jmhodges | :( |
| 07:04:43 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 07:05:06 | Wembly | new what? |
| 07:05:13 | jmhodges | then dont say anything about it NeoTron its obviously eating you up to tell :) |
| 07:05:14 | NeoTron | well, it's not even certain. In this I just got a mail saying they would like to continue talking (apparently some transfer of responsibilies or something) |
| 07:05:35 | NeoTron | Oh, I just want to say it to bug people. :) |
| 07:05:54 | Wembly | arrrg: i thought compusa carryed it as well? |
| 07:05:58 | Wembly | err nm |
| 07:06:30 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: most your games are to good for the Z anyway :) |
| 07:06:50 | treke|ho1e | so true. they are perfect for ipaqs thought :) |
| 07:07:00 | NeoTron | assuming you meant too good, what does that mean? :P |
| 07:08:08 | XavierXeon | except for SA all your games would be better played with a joystick or gamepad. the d-pad of the Z is just too hard to use. |
| 07:08:35 | NeoTron | Actually, Bust'em is best played with the stylus, and plays great with it |
| 07:08:43 | NeoTron | RocketElite requires the stylus |
| 07:08:49 | NeoTron | Candy Cruncher is a stylus game... |
| 07:08:59 | NeoTron | PurpleBlaster - well, pad only but plays pretty well imho |
| 07:09:04 | NeoTron | since you can configure the keys etc |
| 07:09:09 | NeoTron | what else? :P |
| 07:09:45 | XavierXeon | ok forgot CandyCruncher. thing is i am used to my PS2 and i find it really difficult to play fast games with the stylus |
| 07:10:08 | NeoTron | well, arkanoid type games really play well with it |
| 07:10:13 | NeoTron | I love the Bust'em controls |
| 07:10:48 | NeoTron | future games I have might suffer from lack of good d-pad (for games) but with rebindable keys might not be bad |
| 07:11:01 | XavierXeon | will try bust'em with stylus later on |
| 07:11:09 | NeoTron | two others won't need stylus play when it comes to "fast action" since thye are not "fast action" |
| 07:11:33 | NeoTron | and with that I really need to go to bed |
| 07:11:47 | XavierXeon | good night |
| 07:14:08 | XavierXeon | time for my saturday morning shopping round |
| 07:16:03 | arrrg | damn xmms |
| 07:16:13 | arrrg | I can't select songs from the play list |
| 07:16:42 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 07:21:03 | arrrg | DAMN! |
| 07:21:12 | arrrg | this would be so perfect! |
| 08:43:24 | Wembly | hermish |
| 08:43:28 | Wembly | ponders* |
| 08:45:13 | XavierXeon | whats "hermish" ? |
| 08:51:55 | XavX|away | |
| 09:49:24 | Wembly | hermish is well hermish hehe |
| 09:55:46 | XavierXeon|Cpp | Wembly: good explanaition :) |
| 09:59:11 | LunohoD | re |
| 10:00:46 | XavierXeon|Cpp | hi |
| 10:28:14 | linux-Gg | hui |
| 10:41:31 | George- | which (cheap) WAPs work with linux? |
| 10:42:05 | regnat | has someone tried exult on the z? |
| 10:43:13 | George- | not me |
| 10:45:17 | regnat | it working for me, except the sound. I installed libSDL-mixer (1.2.5cvs). Do I have to start/configure the sdl-mixer in some way? |
| 10:45:33 | George- | exult is what? |
| 10:45:46 | George- | It's a game iirc, right? |
| 10:46:02 | regnat | it allows you to play ultima 7 ;-) |
| 10:46:16 | George- | regnat: ahh yes :) |
| 10:46:26 | George- | regnat: Verxion got it to work |
| 10:46:32 | George- | VerxHome: ping |
| 10:46:55 | regnat | hmm |
| 10:57:32 | George- | uhm |
| 10:57:40 | George- | Does the LinkSys WET11 work? =P |
| 11:01:07 | George- | gtg |
| 11:03:39 | Speedy2 | re |
| 11:27:27 | Speedy2 | re Cloud |
| 11:49:22 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 11:49:48 | XavierXeon|Cpp | where and how in the code do you set an icon that will later show up in the taskbar ? |
| 11:51:14 | Cloudchaser | XavierXeon|Cpp: i don't know ;) is anyone else awake in here? |
| 11:51:25 | linux-Gg | i'm awake |
| 11:52:00 | linux-Gg | Isn't it just a scaled-down version of the icon given in the .desktop file? |
| 11:52:01 | XavierXeon|Cpp | Cloudchaser: the question was not specifically for you. Some people are awake. (Good morning anyway) |
| 11:52:16 | Cloudchaser | hehe figured it wasn't for me ;) |
| 11:52:34 | Cloudchaser | and good morning to you ;) |
| 11:52:39 | XavierXeon|Cpp | linux-Gg: no. you have to do some setIcon() or so in the code |
| 11:54:14 | linux-Gg | There was something about this in the Qtopia doc (not the QT doc) IIRC. |
| 11:54:42 | Cloudchaser | whatcha making XavierXeon|Cpp:? |
| 11:55:46 | XavierXeon|Cpp | i am started coding on my C++ class viewer |
| 11:55:57 | XavierXeon|Cpp | forget the "am" |
| 11:56:10 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 12:00:00 | leseb | XavierXeon|Cpp: you mean a taskbar applet? |
| 12:01:04 | XavierXeon|Cpp | leseb: no. i wnat to set the taskbar icon for my app |
| 12:01:36 | leseb | i think it's dynamicaly set by the taskbar app |
| 12:03:57 | noidd | ello |
| 12:04:11 | noidd | anyone out there got a 802.11b card reccomendation for the Z? |
| 12:04:29 | noidd | needs to be able to be used with kismet and other network sniffing packages :-D |
| 12:05:27 | Mickey0 | noidd: socket/symbol low power |
| 12:05:28 | Cloudchaser | noidd: i have dlink but it has its faults, i heard smc or buffalo were nice but don't have one |
| 12:05:38 | Cloudchaser | symbol doesn't do wep i thought |
| 12:05:43 | Cloudchaser | and its got low range |
| 12:06:00 | Cloudchaser | and i don't think its a prism card |
| 12:06:10 | Mickey0 | yes, but it's the smallest - you got to make compromises :) |
| 12:06:11 | Cloudchaser | which kismets needs to work? |
| 12:06:48 | noidd | prism? linksys? |
| 12:06:52 | Mickey0 | hmm... if kismet compatibility is a neccesity, then take the buffallo |
| 12:06:59 | noidd | see why i needed to ask the question :-) |
| 12:07:02 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 12:07:11 | Mickey0 | bufallo = power hog though :( |
| 12:07:14 | Cloudchaser | i like my dlink |
| 12:07:20 | Cloudchaser | dlink=power hog |
| 12:07:29 | Cloudchaser | but it covers speaker/stylus slot |
| 12:07:43 | Cloudchaser | i think i'd try buffalo next time |
| 12:07:48 | Cloudchaser | good price i think |
| 12:07:51 | noidd | this isn't an easy descision |
| 12:08:01 | Cloudchaser | read benmeyer's how to also |
| 12:08:03 | noidd | are there any that DON'T support kismet? |
| 12:08:07 | Cloudchaser | gives more info |
| 12:08:14 | noidd | oh, there is a howto - doh :-) |
| 12:08:25 | Cloudchaser | not exactly how to |
| 12:08:35 | Cloudchaser | but some info on wireless cards and power usage i think |
| 12:08:37 | Cloudchaser | let me find link |
| 12:09:16 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 12:09:38 | noidd | you're a star - thanks :-) |
| 12:10:19 | Mickey0 | don't trust the range numbers! they are based on manufacturers data. the socket/symbol doesn't have lower range thatn the buffallo, for instance. |
| 12:10:27 | noidd | I need to find a pcmcia version for my laptop too :-) |
| 12:10:42 | noidd | Mickey0: I do RF, range is rubbish :-) |
| 12:10:50 | noidd | marketting filth |
| 12:10:51 | noidd | :-) |
| 12:10:56 | Mickey0 | exactly! :) |
| 12:10:57 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ: said he has 2, socket is lower range |
| 12:11:27 | Cloudchaser | i dont know cause i don't have one to compare |
| 12:12:11 | Mickey0 | my research group is doing wireless multihop ad-hoc-network experiments... we need the cards with the maximum range... it would be fine to get people to make some real world test for the listed cards. |
| 12:12:24 | Cloudchaser | one day i'm gonna take my access point out of the basement and measure range |
| 12:12:51 | Cloudchaser | why ad hoc network? |
| 12:13:07 | noidd | range in this context probably means has cheaper reciever |
| 12:13:14 | noidd | less filtering |
| 12:13:45 | Mickey0 | Cloudchaser: because our idea is spontaneous collaboration independent on wireless infrastructure. |
| 12:14:05 | Cloudchaser | looks over her head |
| 12:14:19 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 12:14:53 | Cloudchaser | no idea what the means ;) |
| 12:15:14 | Cloudchaser | but its early yet ;) |
| 12:16:28 | Mickey0 | Cloudchaser: we're working on the base software for ... say ... a bunch of students which want to collaborate everywhere. if we were to rely on infrastructure mode, the collaboration would only be possible in areas where a wireless infrastructure is. Ad-Hoc modus means they can collaborate without access points. |
| 12:16:45 | noidd | did one of you say you had the dlink? |
| 12:16:59 | noidd | how badly does it cover the slots? |
| 12:17:00 | Cloudchaser | Mickey0 ah ok thank you |
| 12:17:27 | Cloudchaser | noidd well i use an adapter and i can plug in speakers then the wifi card |
| 12:17:37 | Cloudchaser | no way to get stylus in or out |
| 12:17:47 | Cloudchaser | i have spares i carry though |
| 12:18:17 | Cloudchaser | the speaker adapter has a 90 degree turn in it |
| 12:18:30 | Cloudchaser | and i had to shave off a little of it to get the wifi card to go in |
| 12:18:39 | Cloudchaser | but it only cost 2.99 at radio shack |
| 12:18:44 | noidd | understood - thanks :-) |
| 12:19:39 | Cloudchaser | but it works just fine |
| 12:20:20 | Cloudchaser | now i need one for the little headsets, i got one that works with pc speakers |
| 12:20:43 | Cloudchaser | (headsets are smaller plugs) |
| 12:21:34 | Cloudchaser | Mickey0: since you are research group, maybe you will be the one to do the wifi card range comparisons :) |
| 12:21:47 | Cloudchaser | most of us don't have the money to buy one of each to test them |
| 12:22:00 | Cloudchaser | then there's the access points, there's a bunch of those also ;) |
| 12:22:58 | Cloudchaser | i'd be happy to do the tests and docs if i had the hardware, so maybe i'll do comparison with what i have and send it to benmeyer |
| 12:23:17 | leseb | does someone know how (or where or when) to send an app for the Sharp contest? |
| 12:23:29 | Cloudchaser | the java one or the challenge? |
| 12:23:36 | Mickey0 | Cloudchaser: i think i forgot to mention that we're not a commercial research institute but an educational... you know... there's a helluva small budget for universities :( |
| 12:23:43 | leseb | the challenge |
| 12:23:58 | | challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 12:23:58 | Cloudchaser | ibot challenge |
| 12:24:02 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 12:24:37 | leseb | yes |
| 12:24:39 | Cloudchaser | Mickey0: sinc you are educational, couldn't you maybe get test units from the manufacturers? |
| 12:24:50 | leseb | but there are no indications on the web site |
| 12:24:59 | Cloudchaser | as you are somewhat more "official" than the average users |
| 12:25:17 | leseb | except email to contest@zaurus.com |
| 12:25:17 | leseb | |
| 12:25:32 | Cloudchaser | there's rules on the page |
| 12:25:40 | Cloudchaser | reg deadline is august 3 |
| 12:25:52 | leseb | i'm still registered |
| 12:25:58 | leseb | i want to send a beta |
| 12:26:07 | Mickey0 | Cloudchaser: sounds like a good idea... i will try to convince our hardware administrator to setup a letter |
| 12:26:10 | Cloudchaser | that was due august 23rd |
| 12:26:14 | noidd | ok, heading into london to buy one |
| 12:26:17 | noidd | bbiab |
| 12:27:10 | Cloudchaser | Mickey0: near as i can figure, dlink is about the cheapest, has good range, high power consumption |
| 12:27:19 | Cloudchaser | works with kismet and works right out of box |
| 12:27:50 | Cloudchaser | range-wise it seems about the same as my cisco pcmcia wireless card |
| 12:28:06 | Cloudchaser | so i think that the range is probably dependent on the power of the ap? |
| 12:29:25 | Cloudchaser | and that also depends on the surrounding structures...i'd like to try the pringles can antenna and see if i can get more range ;) |
| 12:30:22 | Mickey0 | yep, these are the factors which determine the range. which is why testing ad-hoc mode range is even more complicated. needs one reference card (which stays the same for all tests) and then other cards to check. |
| 12:30:51 | cxm | any Java contestants here?? |
| 12:31:10 | Cloudchaser | so couldn't maybe one of your professors write to manufacturers to try to get test cards? |
| 12:31:28 | Cloudchaser | or talk to jasonnj and maybe see if he has suggestions |
| 12:31:44 | Cam__ | or anyone even interested in the Java contest, http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?JavaContestNotes |
| 12:32:11 | Mickey0 | would be fine... we're here in germany and this complicates things in dealing with the (mostly) american companies |
| 12:32:20 | Cloudchaser | ack! YES |
| 12:32:23 | Cloudchaser | it would |
| 12:32:34 | Cloudchaser | brings up the cost alot too i'd imagine |
| 12:32:43 | Cloudchaser | talk to sharp germany then |
| 12:32:59 | Cloudchaser | maybe they have cards there and would let someone come in and run some tests |
| 12:33:14 | Cloudchaser | is reaching here ;) |
| 12:33:30 | Cloudchaser | where there's a will there's a way |
| 12:34:11 | Cloudchaser | or...post to zaurus general and ask for users in a 50 mile radius who might let you go out and test their cards |
| 12:34:21 | Cloudchaser | i would help if somoene asked |
| 12:34:49 | leseb | need a beta tester too (with the zaurus standard rom) |
| 12:34:52 | Mickey0 | Cloudchaser: seems to the best way... i'll post to zauruszone and try. |
| 12:35:11 | Cloudchaser | good luck Mickey0: ;) |
| 12:35:18 | Cloudchaser | leseb: what do you want tested? |
| 12:35:22 | Cloudchaser | i have sharp standard rom |
| 12:35:30 | XavierXeon|Cpp | Mickey0: where in germany are you ? |
| 12:35:44 | leseb | Cloudchaser: my app for the contest |
| 12:36:14 | Cloudchaser | yes i know but what is the app? :) maybe i can help |
| 12:36:30 | leseb | Cloudchaser: it's a recipe app |
| 12:36:33 | Cam__ | which contest, leseb? |
| 12:36:39 | leseb | Qtopia |
| 12:36:42 | Cam__ | OK |
| 12:36:53 | Cam__ | is no-one interested in the Java contest?? |
| 12:37:22 | leseb | it's works on iPaq/Opie but i'd like to be sure for Zaurus |
| 12:37:28 | Cloudchaser | leseb: well being a woman, i *might* be a good one to test that :) |
| 12:37:49 | leseb | Cloudchaser: can i send it by email |
| 12:37:55 | Cloudchaser | sure |
| 12:38:01 | Mickey0 | XavierXeon|Cpp: Frankfurt am Main. |
| 12:38:49 | XavierXeon|Cpp | Mickey0: you need t wait until i visit my parents to test my card. they livin Mainz. I am currently in Dortmund |
| 12:39:11 | Mickey0 | XavierXeon|Cpp: which card do you have? |
| 12:39:32 | XavierXeon|Cpp | buffalo |
| 12:40:24 | Mickey0 | Mickey0: buffalo here also, but i want to convince our hw admin to buy a socket soon, so there would be a real chance to compare socket/buffallo in ad-hoc mode then. |
| 12:41:04 | Mickey0 | Mickey0: and for additional tests, we have a bunch of laptops equipped with lucent pcmcia cards (orinoco chipset) |
| 12:41:11 | XavierXeon|Cpp | Mickey0: you need some other sources for cards then :) |
| 12:41:42 | Mickey0 | XavierXeon|Cpp: yeah, someone with dlink and smc would be good... too few wireless Zaurus users in Rhain-Main area yet :) |
| 12:42:02 | Mickey0 | Rhein-Main even... |
| 12:47:05 | | zsi is probably http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 12:47:05 | cranch | ibot: zsi |
| 13:38:07 | AAA | hugs his zaurus |
| 13:40:15 | prpplague | cranch: morning dude |
| 13:40:22 | cranch | Cloud...any luck with making that movie any smaller? |
| 13:40:30 | cranch | morning prpplague |
| 13:40:48 | cranch | everyone sleeping? |
| 13:41:10 | prpplague | cranch: if they are lucky |
| 13:41:19 | cranch | haha |
| 13:41:25 | cranch | my roomates are all still drunk |
| 13:41:26 | cranch | :) |
| 13:41:41 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-08-03 14:32:26 | Boulevard of Broken .dreams | August 2002 Daemon News Ezine Published | HighWLAN | Possible Evidence of Martian Bacteria |
| 13:41:41 | cranch | ibot: slashdot |
| 13:41:41 | prpplague | cranch: i ended up on the weekend schedule :( |
| 13:41:52 | cranch | where do you work that you have to work weekends |
| 13:42:08 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com |
| 13:42:37 | cranch | oh thats right :) |
| 13:50:05 | cranch | there are like 100 people in this channel and 2 of them are talking |
| 13:50:06 | cranch | :) |
| 13:50:48 | scanline | talks |
| 13:51:01 | cranch | talks too |
| 13:51:03 | cranch | hehe\ |
| 13:51:12 | scanline | moooo |
| 13:51:30 | prpplague | cranch: ha |
| 13:51:54 | cranch | I need full length DivX movies for my Z...wish cloud would hurry up with that howto |
| 13:52:13 | prpplague | cranch: i think most of the ppl that hang here are either m-f/9-5'ers or very late night code warriors |
| 13:52:30 | cranch | is a m-f/9-5ers |
| 13:53:48 | Mickey0 | prpplague: don't forget people from other timezones! Local time here is 17:00 |
| 13:54:20 | prpplague | Mickey0: ya ya, you US is the only land mass on earth....lol |
| 13:54:35 | Mickey0 | hehe |
| 13:55:24 | prpplague | goes for coffee |
| 13:57:43 | | cloud was last seen on #zaurus 36 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: hav fun kergoth [Fri Jun 28 02:23:12 2002] |
| 13:57:43 | cranch | ibot: seen cloud |
| 13:58:11 | XavierXeon | is there a standard qpe open file dialog ? qfiledialog refuses to work (forward declaration in header) |
| 13:58:11 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 13:58:19 | Cloudchaser | cranch you need me? |
| 13:58:22 | cranch | get that DivX working |
| 13:58:33 | cranch | Sugar make me a white russian |
| 13:58:34 | Sugar | pours coffee liqueur and vodka in an old-fashioned glass over ice cubes and fill with milk and serves it to cranch. |
| 13:58:34 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 13:58:44 | Cloudchaser | just waiting for card now |
| 13:58:44 | cranch | hehe |
| 13:58:53 | cranch | sweet :) 215mb or smaller? |
| 13:58:56 | Cloudchaser | i split it though and it works ok |
| 13:59:03 | Cloudchaser | yes got it to 210 mb |
| 13:59:04 | scanline | Sugar make me a sh4-linux-gcc |
| 13:59:08 | Cloudchaser | but there was quality loss |
| 13:59:09 | cranch | sweet :) |
| 13:59:15 | scanline | wonders if Sugar can make cross-compilers too... |
| 13:59:29 | cranch | is that from DivX to a smaller DivX or from DVD to small DivX |
| 13:59:36 | | i heard tkc was at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 13:59:36 | cranch | ibot: tkc |
| 13:59:44 | XavierXeon | scanline: you like drinking cross-compilers ? |
| 13:59:51 | scanline | XavierXeon: only good ones |
| 14:02:16 | | darienm was last seen on #zaurus 13 hours, 14 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: sugar, give noda a hard on [Sat Aug 3 01:47:26 2002] |
| 14:02:16 | erikd | ibot seen darienm |
| 14:02:25 | erikd | haha |
| 14:02:29 | Cloudchaser | it was divx to smaller divx |
| 14:02:49 | Cloudchaser | can also do dvd to divx but i dont have any dvd's |
| 14:03:15 | XavierXeon | doesnt have a dvd drive |
| 14:03:20 | Cloudchaser | hehe me either |
| 14:04:07 | cranch | I have one... |
| 14:04:10 | cranch | if you need me to do stuff |
| 14:05:07 | XavierXeon | cranch: sure. i ship my dvd's to you and you ship them back. cheaper to buy a drive :) |
| 14:05:44 | AAA | I don't suppose there is a GPL'd version of the divX player available, eh? |
| 14:06:07 | XavierXeon | AAA: i do not know how well mplayer works |
| 14:10:17 | XavX|away | reading a book |
| 14:11:42 | cranch | Xavier :P I meant to encode some stuff off of my DVD drive.. |
| 14:11:47 | cranch | I got an idle 1700XP |
| 14:12:32 | AAA | mplayer is ported to the zaurus? |
| 14:12:58 | AAA | what about telephony apps? |
| 14:13:12 | prpplague | doesn't ogle play divx as well as zine? |
| 14:13:21 | AAA | yes, I think so |
| 14:13:30 | AAA | xine uses the ogle menu stuff |
| 14:13:42 | AAA | but on the zaurus? |
| 14:13:50 | prpplague | oh |
| 14:14:17 | AAA | I suppose I should have been more clear =P |
| 14:14:39 | prpplague | anyone know how many columns are the OZ console is set for? |
| 14:14:42 | AAA | anybody care to dcc me the one from Kompany.com? hint hint |
| 14:16:02 | AAA | has anyone successfully made a phone call from their zaurus (VoIP) |
| 14:20:20 | Cloudchaser | umm if you want the one from thekompany you can spend the 15 or so dollars on it |
| 14:21:57 | ljp | AAA: ask BigBoss about it when he gets here. |
| 14:23:39 | ljp | hehehe yep |
| 14:24:26 | AAA | ljp cool I shall |
| 14:24:53 | AAA | Cloudchaser I know, but my pocketbook is a little shy, after all the money I spent on Zperipherals |
| 14:27:59 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 14:35:30 | BigBoss | yo |
| 14:35:33 | Cloudchaser | heya! |
| 14:35:37 | Cloudchaser | how are you today? |
| 14:38:31 | Guest | what does th Q_OBJECT macro do - other than stopping my classes to link :(? |
| 14:39:48 | linux-Gg | It's usueally used when inheriting QT classes like QWidget, I think. And then it links correctly. |
| 14:40:21 | linux-Gg | But I'm a C++/QT newbie, so I can't explain what explain what it does, and I might be wrong... |
| 14:42:26 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin max |
| 14:43:08 | msmax | Hi.. but it more like as evening for me |
| 14:43:20 | cranch_ | anyone run tkcJabber? |
| 14:43:20 | Cloudchaser | hehe i knew that ;) still morning here, barely |
| 14:43:36 | Cloudchaser | i do |
| 14:43:54 | cranch_ | you like it Cloud? |
| 14:44:05 | Cloudchaser | yes i like it for icq |
| 14:44:13 | Cloudchaser | i dont' use other im programs |
| 14:44:19 | cranch_ | hmmm |
| 14:44:46 | msmax | cranch_: you have some problem with it? |
| 14:44:49 | cranch_ | cause all my contact list would show for msn: username%hotmail.com |
| 14:45:26 | msmax | cranch_: yes, it is... ;( |
| 14:45:42 | Guest | i us tckJabber |
| 14:45:42 | msmax | cranch_: we working for fix it |
| 14:46:09 | Guest | you have to go through and add you contacts for the other transports |
| 14:46:23 | Guest | I am using it now:) |
| 14:47:20 | cranch_ | just wondering if the new versions will fix that |
| 14:47:57 | Guest | can you not chat to people on other transports ? |
| 14:48:57 | ][N-Flux | is away: Area2...Wh00p |
| 14:50:47 | Guest | can anyone recommend a giid book ok Qt programming ? |
| 14:50:56 | Guest | good book even |
| 14:51:16 | sjohnson | Does anyone know how to flash the ospack.srom file image using the angel loader (C+D |
| 14:51:26 | smee | Guest: I just bought the O'Reilly one - looking good so far...someone on this channel recommended it to me |
| 14:52:09 | Guest | ok. I was going to go for that one as o'reilly are usually good |
| 14:52:30 | Guest | is it useful for zaurus programming? |
| 14:53:45 | smee | yeah - it covers Qt3 too, and zaurus uses a subset of qt 2.x at the moment |
| 14:53:53 | smee | but yeah |
| 14:54:05 | Guest | cool |
| 14:54:40 | Guest | does anyone know if the tckamemo app will sync with Outlook Notes? |
| 14:54:48 | smee | and it has a nice picture of a bird on the front too :) |
| 14:54:49 | nemui | ok guys.. can anyone help me get this thing owrkin with my windows box? |
| 14:55:40 | nemui | I setup my Z to be 192.168.129.201 for the usb network, and whne I hit sync, I get an hourglass on my windwos box but nothing syncs. |
| 14:56:48 | smee | Guest: there's trolltech on line docs too |
| 14:57:37 | Guest | yea they are good, I like a book though :p |
| 14:59:40 | smee | for trains and toilets |
| 14:59:53 | cranch_ | smee...thats what the Z is for...toilets... |
| 14:59:56 | cranch_ | read ebooks and such |
| 14:59:57 | cranch_ | haha |
| 15:00:06 | smee | :) yeah you're right |
| 15:00:31 | Guest | i guess tckammeo does sync with outlook notes then? |
| 15:00:38 | Guest | tckMemo |
| 15:05:15 | cranch_ | am I still here |
| 15:05:18 | cranch_ | wooohoo |
| 15:05:49 | | i heard mplayer was at http://mplayer.dev.hu/homepage/ or at http://kirk.math.twsu.edu/family/james/mplayer.html |
| 15:05:49 | angry | ibot, mplayer |
| 15:07:04 | BigBoss | guest: no tkcMemo doesn't, there is nothing in the sync software for it at the moment |
| 15:12:07 | BigBoss | l |
| 15:12:36 | Cloudchaser | no tkcrace on your website yet ;( |
| 15:15:31 | ljp_ | hey bipolar |
| 15:15:54 | cranch_ | does tkcRace have sound? |
| 15:16:27 | ljp_ | yep, if you go vrommmm vroooooooooooooooooooommm when you play it :) |
| 15:16:34 | cranch_ | haha I was thinking that |
| 15:16:41 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:16:49 | cranch_ | :P |
| 15:27:02 | BigBoss | cranch: no |
| 15:27:05 | BigBoss | hey dima |
| 15:27:19 | BigBoss | cloudchaser: not sure why, I gotta make a real long distance call and find out |
| 15:27:31 | dima | Hi, Shawn |
| 15:31:13 | AAA | BigBoss have you ever used any telephony apps on the zaurus? I am interesting in VoIP on the Z. Any ideas? |
| 15:31:54 | bipolar | ljp_: hiyq |
| 15:32:12 | bipolar | bbl.... |
| 15:33:42 | BigBoss | AAA: we've talked about it, but haven't done anything yet |
| 15:34:09 | Cloudchaser | voip is tricky |
| 15:35:10 | dima | about telephony apps: is it possible to use microphone and phone in Z simultaneously? |
| 15:35:38 | AAA | yes |
| 15:35:44 | BigBoss | you end up with mono because there aren't 3 connectors in there |
| 15:35:49 | BigBoss | but you can do it |
| 15:35:57 | AAA | dima get a 3/32 --> 1/8 adapter for say a jabra |
| 15:36:00 | prpplague | dima: there are even some nice SIP phone apps for arm |
| 15:36:13 | Cloudchaser | are there? |
| 15:36:35 | AAA | SIP? |
| 15:36:39 | AAA | what is that? |
| 15:37:06 | AAA | BigBoss what do you for see as the best canidate for Voip/Z apps? |
| 15:37:12 | AAA | or a place to start |
| 15:37:38 | prpplague | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/16/0210237&mode=thread&tid=126 |
| 15:37:42 | AAA | the 19kbs the verizon gprs is talking about will just not cut it for me |
| 15:39:11 | AAA | unless of course it is a 'case' misprint |
| 15:41:39 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: you check that /. link? |
| 15:42:04 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: i can't get to iptel from here, so i guess there are down or something |
| 15:42:52 | Cloudchaser | interesting |
| 15:43:00 | BigBoss | AAA: we just haven't spent enough time checking into it yet |
| 15:43:28 | gres | is available a drug lookup app for Z? |
| 15:43:37 | Cloudchaser | i'd hate to depend on z for phone service |
| 15:44:16 | prpplague | gres: not that i know of on qt, but there are a couple for x |
| 15:44:37 | prpplague | gres: along with patient records and data collection for database studies |
| 15:45:51 | gres | prpplague: name? |
| 15:46:35 | AAA | BigBoss do you work for sharp? or develope for theKompany? or... |
| 15:46:46 | prpplague | gres: let me see if i have them bookmarked here at work |
| 15:47:01 | | BigBoss is the president of TheKompany |
| 15:47:01 | prpplague | ibot: BigBoss |
| 15:47:04 | linux-Gg | gres: a drug lookup app is beeing coded for the contest (http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/registration.php) |
| 15:47:19 | | de rien AAA |
| 15:47:19 | AAA | ibot thanks |
| 15:47:28 | prpplague | linux-Gg: cool i didn't know about that |
| 15:48:19 | gres | linux-Gg: i'm coding it but i need a database |
| 15:49:24 | prpplague | gres: sorry, don't have it bookmarked here |
| 15:49:35 | prpplague | gres: i'll be at the house later tonight |
| 15:49:40 | AAA | I don't so much want to "depend" on phone service for my Z, but it sure would be cool to have the option |
| 15:50:07 | Cloudchaser | in your home qos would be a problem |
| 15:50:38 | gres | prpplague: ok |
| 15:50:42 | XavierXeon | 2 qpe questions : is there a standard open file dialog and how do i make my application icon visible in the taskbar ? |
| 15:50:58 | prpplague | gres: did you check freshmeat? |
| 15:51:08 | ljp_ | no, and it uses the .desktop icon |
| 15:51:12 | gres | prpplague: yes |
| 15:51:24 | gres | prpplague: not found |
| 15:51:36 | prpplague | gres: seems like thats where i found the ones i bookmarked |
| 15:53:13 | mrwoody | is there a qt->qtopia translator/ |
| 15:53:18 | prpplague | not exactly what i had in mind - http://freshmeat.net/projects/dopewars/?topic_id=85 |
| 15:55:11 | BigBoss | mrwoody: yea, it's called hardwork :) |
| 15:55:29 | mrwoody | BigBoss: there is nothing like that? |
| 15:55:53 | ljp_ | whats a qt->qtopia translator? |
| 15:56:15 | ljp_ | qtopia uses qt/e |
| 15:56:16 | XavierXeon | ljp_: thanks |
| 15:56:28 | mrwoody | ljp_: if i have something written in qt... i would like to convert it in qtopia |
| 15:56:51 | ljp_ | Xavier: but there is a filedialog you can use floating around |
| 15:57:06 | XavierXeon | ljp_: which one ? |
| 15:57:09 | BigBoss | then you need to make that conversion mrwoody, it may or may not be hard |
| 15:57:25 | mrwoody | BigBoss: is there any software to do that? |
| 15:57:41 | ljp_ | Xavier: I wrote one.. the most current source is probably in opie-reader |
| 15:58:12 | XavierXeon | ljp_: i found that and already thought about using it :) |
| 15:59:27 | mrwoody | BigBoss: ? |
| 16:00:07 | ljp_ | go ahead.. if you dont want the gpl'd version, I can send you one you can use bsd style |
| 16:00:54 | XavierXeon | ljp_: gpl is fine for me. |
| 16:01:36 | ljp_ | its also qtreader |
| 16:02:13 | BigBoss | mrwoody: I keep telling you, it's a matter of compiling it and fixing the bugs |
| 16:02:17 | BigBoss | there is no magic bullet |
| 16:03:08 | mrwoody | BigBoss: but i have seen for istance that qtopia use qpe/QPEApplication.h instead of qapplication.h... is there any other difference like that? |
| 16:05:40 | ljp_ | yes, the qt/e that qtopia uses is a subset of qt/e, there are a few widgets it doesnt use |
| 16:05:56 | BigBoss | mrwoody: read the docs |
| 16:06:13 | mrwoody | ljp_ :there is not a list of this kind of stuff anywhere? |
| 16:06:17 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 16:06:17 | cranch_ | ibot: zsi |
| 16:06:25 | mrwoody | BigBoss: where? |
| 16:07:19 | prpplague | gres: http://www.linuxmednews.com , thats where i say the drug-x-ref info |
| 16:07:37 | prpplague | s/say/saw |
| 16:09:05 | mrwoody | BigBoss: ? |
| 16:09:17 | prpplague | gres: here is a page with the drug db in xml - http://www.psnw.com/~alcald/apothecary.html |
| 16:10:10 | cranch_ | Boss: its tkcKapital going to have qif support in the release Monday or whenever it comes out ..? |
| 16:10:22 | XavierXeon | ljp_: thanks again. file dialog works nice (and i have a taskbar icon now) |
| 16:10:24 | tux_mike | BigBoss: so, how were your sales from the /.ing? :) |
| 16:11:09 | prpplague | gres2: did you get my messages? |
| 16:11:14 | mrwoody | does anyone know what is this: /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqte.so: undefined reference to `cos' |
| 16:11:18 | gres2 | prpplague: no |
| 16:11:20 | mrwoody | or stuff like that? |
| 16:11:35 | XavierXeon | cos as in cosine ? |
| 16:12:05 | prpplague | gres2: http://www.linuxmednews.com , thats where i say the drug-x-ref info |
| 16:12:11 | prpplague | gres2: here is a page with the drug db in xml - http://www.psnw.com/~alcald/apothecary.html |
| 16:12:12 | mrwoody | XavierXeon: look like |
| 16:12:31 | XavierXeon | mrwoody: what are trying to compile ? |
| 16:13:04 | mrwoody | XavierXeon: some stuff that i wrote in qt... |
| 16:13:48 | XavierXeon | mrwoody: normally you have to give a linker flag when compiling stuff defined <math.h> |
| 16:14:22 | mrwoody | XavierXeon: but there is really nothing that looks like maths there |
| 16:15:09 | XavierXeon | try a "grep -r cos *" and see if a cosine is used |
| 16:19:57 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: is your website down again? |
| 16:21:49 | cranch_ | I was just at it Cloud... |
| 16:21:59 | cranch_ | but it isn't going anywhere now |
| 16:24:52 | cranch_ | I must be lagging hardcore here... |
| 16:28:06 | BigBoss | cranch_: not sure if we are putting the QIF in tkcKapital this week or not, there are some other bits we are testing in the desktop version regarding credit card transactions that were causing some problems, we want it solid before we port it down |
| 16:28:18 | BigBoss | tux_mike: sales were through the roof, I can't believe how many of those tkcVideos we've sold |
| 16:28:23 | cranch_ | cool Boss |
| 16:28:32 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: the whole damn colo is down again, just like the other day |
| 16:28:37 | BigBoss | maybe they are upgrading again |
| 16:28:52 | BigBoss | we did some major optimizations to our pages so they take a third less bandwidth to load now |
| 16:29:07 | BigBoss | looks like the DNS server is down or something |
| 16:29:54 | cranch_ | thats what you get for running your DNS server on a Zaurus Boss |
| 16:30:05 | BigBoss | no kidding :) |
| 16:30:07 | smee | BigBoss: how many've you sold? :) |
| 16:30:20 | BigBoss | 47,000 give or take a couple thousand |
| 16:30:22 | cranch_ | Boss has a NetIncome this month over $500,000 |
| 16:30:23 | cranch_ | :P |
| 16:30:25 | smee | ! |
| 16:30:30 | cranch_ | hehe |
| 16:30:34 | BigBoss | just kidding |
| 16:30:41 | BigBoss | sales figures are confidential |
| 16:30:49 | BigBoss | shit, I wish I paid myself at all |
| 16:30:55 | smee | hehe |
| 16:30:58 | smee | fair enough |
| 16:30:59 | BigBoss | I don't make squote |
| 16:31:00 | XavierXeon | are there even 47,000 Z and Linux ipaq |
| 16:31:11 | BigBoss | I think there are between 30k and 40k |
| 16:31:16 | BigBoss | I know there are at least 25k |
| 16:31:34 | cranch_ | BigBoss: you take stock options or what? |
| 16:31:34 | BigBoss | we're porting to the A-300 in japan as soon as it's available |
| 16:31:45 | smee | I know there are at least 66 |
| 16:31:47 | BigBoss | I founded and financed the company |
| 16:31:51 | BigBoss | it's all mine |
| 16:32:00 | BigBoss | i've got deferred salary |
| 16:32:00 | cranch_ | so you have to pull money in at year-end :) |
| 16:32:04 | cranch_ | ahhh |
| 16:32:13 | BigBoss | if there was money |
| 16:32:20 | BigBoss | this month is our third anniversary |
| 16:32:26 | BigBoss | no outside investors |
| 16:32:35 | BigBoss | I think we might have set a record for a linux software company |
| 16:32:40 | cranch_ | on what |
| 16:32:52 | cranch_ | or for what I should say |
| 16:32:59 | BigBoss | for surviving, and no outside money pissed away |
| 16:33:03 | cranch_ | hehe |
| 16:33:10 | cranch_ | you run a tight ship..keep it up :) |
| 16:33:16 | BigBoss | Eazel is my favorite. $13 million gone in a year and barely shit to show for it |
| 16:33:30 | NeoTron | I find such stories so amazing |
| 16:33:32 | smee | not such a tight ship |
| 16:33:34 | BigBoss | Ximian has pulled in $18 million, and really still doesn't sell anything particularly |
| 16:33:37 | NeoTron | what the fuck are these people doing? |
| 16:33:48 | BigBoss | well some of their sysadmins came to me for jobs |
| 16:33:50 | smee | getting increasingly anxious? |
| 16:33:58 | BigBoss | they were pulling 150k a year - 3 of them at Eazel |
| 16:34:01 | NeoTron | give me $13M and I'll make something awesome, really |
| 16:34:03 | BigBoss | there's a piss waste |
| 16:34:17 | BigBoss | give me $13M and we would live off the interest forever |
| 16:34:23 | BigBoss | never touch the principal |
| 16:34:24 | NeoTron | something like that |
| 16:34:43 | smee | must be some good code getting written somewhere |
| 16:34:53 | BigBoss | you would think - but I haven't seen it |
| 16:35:03 | BigBoss | shit we have like 20 products or so |
| 16:35:18 | cranch_ | Boss: you also exist in a niche market |
| 16:35:20 | BigBoss | a lot of them are pretty damn massive |
| 16:35:34 | linux-Gg | BigBoss: How many people are working at theKompany? |
| 16:35:36 | BigBoss | not really, we have stuff that runs on linux, windows, mac and embedded linux |
| 16:35:46 | BigBoss | linux-Gg: we have tens of thousands of employees |
| 16:35:56 | BigBoss | we actually take a small town in Wisconson |
| 16:35:57 | cranch_ | well yeah..but the Zaurus development is a good spot to be |
| 16:36:17 | BigBoss | cranch: only if it keeps growing, we don't have a large enough percentage of it yet to make me happy |
| 16:36:24 | BigBoss | linux-Gg: I'm joking of course |
| 16:36:27 | cranch_ | hehe |
| 16:36:33 | smee | should move the offices underground and clone your staff |
| 16:36:36 | cranch_ | no more than 20 peeps is there Boss? |
| 16:36:57 | linux-Gg | BigBoss: I already figuered that out |
| 16:36:59 | BigBoss | i just hired another handful recently, I'm not sure of the exact numbers |
| 16:37:08 | cranch_ | there is always going to be demand for apps such as the ones you produce as long as Sharp continues to make ass apps :) |
| 16:37:26 | cranch_ | Boss does everything sharp does better |
| 16:37:32 | BigBoss | cranch: and apparently they are through the next couple of devices. Make hay while the sun shines :) |
| 16:37:39 | cranch_ | exactly |
| 16:37:52 | linux-Gg | cranch_: don't talk too bad about the default z apps. You didn't use a VR3 before, right? |
| 16:37:54 | BigBoss | maybe at some point they will realize that licensing our stuff will make them more money than it costs them |
| 16:37:58 | cranch_ | nope |
| 16:38:09 | cranch_ | seems simple Boss... |
| 16:38:53 | XavierXeon | if they spill out money for hancom the might as well spend on tkc apps |
| 16:38:53 | cranch_ | Boss: i downloaded the Kobol demo...e |
| 16:39:09 | cranch_ | now if I could only remember how to code cobol |
| 16:40:35 | cranch_ | would like to bitch at the Developers from Mazingo |
| 16:42:02 | cranch_ | teach them how to use a folder |
| 16:43:36 | prpplague | cranch_: cobol is evil |
| 16:44:10 | cranch_ | hehe |
| 16:44:16 | cranch_ | I had to take it for my major |
| 16:44:22 | Dr_Who | *yawn* |
| 16:44:36 | cranch_ | pokes Dr_Who with a stick...wake up and don't yawn |
| 16:45:03 | prpplague | cranch_: as did i, and i hated it because it made no sense, but yet all the accounting gurus in the class were "saying wow this is coool" |
| 16:45:12 | cranch_ | it made sense to me :) |
| 16:45:33 | cranch_ | course I took a year of accounting |
| 16:45:38 | smee | Dr_Who: I watched your omnibus on uk gold this morning...way to defeat medieval adversaries |
| 16:46:20 | Dr_Who | cranch_ : see it's been a rough morning ;-) |
| 16:46:35 | cranch_ | hehe |
| 16:46:39 | Dr_Who | alas no UK gold in these parts |
| 16:46:51 | smee | shame |
| 16:47:03 | nelazul | grr... i keep trying to flash my zaurus with the openzaurus rom, and i load the zImage (renamed) initrd and bootflag files onto a CF card, go through the flash procedure and end up at th "sharp" screen with a flashing cursor at the bottom. But when I go to look at tht CF card, the zImage file is missing... |
| 16:47:20 | smee | then blake's seven, and now my hangover is cured! |
| 16:47:36 | Dr_Who | dang ... all the good shows! |
| 16:49:43 | cranch_ | is QT as powerful as C++/C? |
| 16:49:52 | Korpios | nelazul: hmmm that's happened to me with the latest "official" rom but not the latest openzaurus one... |
| 16:49:54 | cranch_ | tkc |
| 16:49:57 | cranch_ | damn |
| 16:49:57 | Dr_Who | one is a library and the others are languages |
| 16:49:59 | | well, tkc is at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 16:49:59 | cranch_ | ibot: tkc |
| 16:50:15 | cranch_ | okay.. |
| 16:50:21 | cranch_ | I was thinking they are both languages |
| 16:50:25 | cranch_ | in a way |
| 16:50:31 | Korpios | nelazul: Is the file still there if you plug it back into a PC's cardreader? (i.e. is it only missing to the zaurus?) |
| 16:50:36 | XavierXeon | nelazul: the files are "zImage", "intrd.bin" and "bootflag.txt" |
| 16:50:44 | Dr_Who | no user interface stuff in C! |
| 16:50:47 | nelazul | that's what i meant |
| 16:50:53 | Dr_Who | that's where something like QT can come into play |
| 16:50:54 | nelazul | and yes, the files are gone to the pc |
| 16:50:58 | cranch_ | k..makes sense |
| 16:51:07 | Korpios | hmmm |
| 16:51:14 | Dr_Who | goes to get some lunch while this puppy builds.... |
| 16:51:17 | nelazul | i tried reformatting the card too |
| 16:51:28 | Korpios | you're using 10.4 (if I remember that's the latest openzaurus one...)? |
| 16:51:36 | nelazul | yeah |
| 16:52:14 | nelazul | and now my z doesn't boot at all so i have problems... |
| 16:52:57 | Korpios | okay try this, this has fixed stuff for me on occasion... do a: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/path/to/card/partition ...follow that with a mkfs.msdos /dev/path/to/card/partition and try it again |
| 16:53:07 | prpplague | gres2: looks like you can dl the multum drug db and just do a conversion to sql |
| 16:53:14 | Korpios | make sure there's nothing on the card you want to save first =) |
| 16:53:22 | nelazul | hehe i could do that if i could boot my zaurus... |
| 16:53:45 | nelazul | and i don't have a unix machine that can read CF... |
| 16:53:50 | Korpios | nelazul: I mean do it from the PC I'm assuming you're using... ohhhhhh |
| 16:53:53 | Korpios | crap =) |
| 16:54:16 | Korpios | *thinks* |
| 16:54:48 | Korpios | what system do you have at your disposal? |
| 16:54:57 | BigBoss | cobol is a great business language, if you don't believe it then you never used it |
| 16:55:04 | BigBoss | it is a crappy language for an OS however |
| 16:55:22 | nelazul | well my win2k laptop is the only one with a PC card slot (i have an adapter), and i have a freebsd server but i have to way to get it to read the card |
| 16:56:20 | Korpios | *thinks win2k*... when you have the card mounted does it let you format it clean? and also, does it let you specify fat16? |
| 16:56:31 | nelazul | yes |
| 16:56:57 | Korpios | you've wiped it (the card) clean and tried the procedure from scratch? |
| 16:57:06 | nelazul | yeah |
| 16:57:22 | Korpios | damn... a full format not just a "quick"? hmmm |
| 16:57:35 | nelazul | i suppose i could try fat32... |
| 16:57:38 | Korpios | no |
| 16:57:41 | Korpios | fat32 won't work |
| 16:57:43 | Korpios | at all |
| 16:57:45 | nelazul | i figured that |
| 16:58:02 | Korpios | I've tried =) the zaurus only recognizes fat16 for the update (which is ANNOYING) lol.... |
| 16:58:19 | Korpios | since all my cards are usually in fat32 |
| 16:58:46 | Korpios | okay, next recommendation would be to see if you can get the latest official image on there |
| 16:58:55 | Korpios | and then try and go back and do the openzaurus one again |
| 16:59:23 | Korpios | I was fiddling with my zaurus for awhile before I finally got it updated right... it's really damned picky :-/ |
| 16:59:23 | nelazul | that's what i'm trying now |
| 16:59:29 | linux-Gg | BYe |
| 16:59:30 | Korpios | ah okay you're a step ahead of me =) |
| 16:59:45 | nelazul | i know... i've done the update a few times, it's never screwed up this bad though |
| 17:00:04 | Korpios | the openzaurus rom was kinda nice but the installer is just all sorts of foobar'd.... |
| 17:00:17 | Korpios | I had to go back to the official just to install stuff again =) |
| 17:00:38 | nelazul | it's amazing how slow the official rom is downloading... |
| 17:00:40 | Korpios | even when I tried to use command-line ipkg, the openzaurus just didn't take packages kindly |
| 17:00:43 | nelazul | i think it slows down just to spite me |
| 17:00:46 | Korpios | lol |
| 17:01:47 | Korpios | my only idiot point was when I first upgraded I was sure to back up all the libraries I cross-compiled, all the apps, all my home directory stuff - typical stuff I'd back up from a unix box... and totally forgot about my address book =) |
| 17:02:57 | Korpios | I just said screw it, I'm gonna write my own now since the official address book is pretty much uselessly designed anyway... anyone I call on a regular basis is a person I have online contact info for anyway =) |
| 17:03:58 | Cloudchaser | some idiot posted a pyramid scheme onto zaurus general |
| 17:04:03 | Korpios | continues to prattle on.... =) |
| 17:04:54 | Korpios | You too can own a Sharp Zaurus! Just convince two of your friends to convince two of their friends each to buy them, and so on, and each will send you one transistor of a total Zaurus! |
| 17:05:42 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 17:05:45 | Korpios | Imagine the delight as you check your mail every day and receive the tip of a stylus! A portion of a circuit board! The Q key from the keyboard!! |
| 17:06:12 | Dr_Who | you feeling ok? |
| 17:06:16 | Korpios | lmao |
| 17:06:18 | XavierXeon|Cpp | and for a small fee of $600 i will assemble them |
| 17:06:40 | Korpios | is starting to think he needs lunch else the silliness will consume him |
| 17:07:37 | kergoth`zzz | that damn pyramid scheme caused the latest zaurus-general digest to end up in my spam folder. fuckers. it wasnt ALL spam. |
| 17:08:28 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth |
| 17:08:54 | Dr_Who | hey |
| 17:09:25 | Cloudchaser | makes ya want to just spam the shit out of the guy doesn't it ? |
| 17:09:27 | George- | hiya |
| 17:09:39 | Cloudchaser | hi george |
| 17:09:51 | George- | hi Cloudchaser |
| 17:09:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:09:59 | kergoth | morning |
| 17:10:03 | kergoth | er afternoon |
| 17:10:04 | kergoth | whatever |
| 17:10:06 | George- | Cloudchaser: Ordered my Wireless Access Point just now :) |
| 17:10:11 | Dr_Who | lives aweful close to where SPAM was invented and still made |
| 17:10:17 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:10:18 | Cloudchaser | sugar make kergoth cup of coffee |
| 17:10:18 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 17:10:24 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thanks! :-) |
| 17:10:35 | Cloudchaser | hehe great george! |
| 17:10:45 | Cloudchaser | and anything for the cause kergoth ;) |
| 17:10:50 | George- | Cloudchaser: yeh, it's cool ;) |
| 17:11:00 | George- | Cloudchaser: It's arriving in 14 days' time (ouch) |
| 17:11:00 | kergoth | hm someone reports that OZ wont display images.. wtf.. I havent heard that one before |
| 17:11:19 | Dr_Who | suger made Dr_Who sex on the beach |
| 17:11:25 | Dr_Who | suger make Dr_Who sex on the beach |
| 17:11:35 | George- | kergoth: OZ won't display images, wtf is the mattter? |
| 17:11:42 | George- | kergoth: OZ sucks, debian all the way! :) |
| 17:11:53 | kergoth | bahhh |
| 17:11:55 | kergoth | shoots george |
| 17:11:57 | George- | Anyone wanna join in a game of "Bully the tech support guy"? |
| 17:11:57 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:12:07 | George- | =P |
| 17:12:12 | George- | bullies kergoth |
| 17:12:20 | noidd | ello |
| 17:12:22 | George- | hi noidd |
| 17:12:25 | noidd | I'm bad |
| 17:12:28 | noidd | very bad |
| 17:12:28 | kergoth | hmmm brb, getting a glass of orange juice |
| 17:12:41 | George- | man, I hope this DSL router/4 port 10/100 switch/wireless access point works =P |
| 17:12:50 | George- | I'm not gonna wait 14 days for nothing |
| 17:13:27 | Cloudchaser | what kind is it george? |
| 17:13:47 | noidd | I just put a wireless card in my laptop |
| 17:13:53 | noidd | and a wierless card in my zaurus |
| 17:13:59 | noidd | now trying to make them talk to each other |
| 17:14:05 | noidd | which is proving interesting so far |
| 17:14:10 | kergoth | shit i'm out of milk |
| 17:14:12 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 17:14:20 | cranch_ | gives kergoth a cow |
| 17:14:22 | kergoth | looks at the storm outside and decides against going shopping |
| 17:14:36 | kergoth | cranch: I think i'll just drink my orange juice, thanks. hehe |
| 17:14:37 | George- | Cloudchaser: LinkSys; 10/100BaseT[X] Switch, 802.11b 11Mbps Wireless and DSL router/firewall |
| 17:14:48 | George- | cranch_: lol |
| 17:14:49 | Cloudchaser | george: cool |
| 17:14:51 | treke|ho1e | mornin |
| 17:14:53 | cranch_ | takes his cow back from kergoth |
| 17:15:04 | Cloudchaser | hiya treke|ho1e |
| 17:15:14 | kergoth | 900 message, 481 unread. |
| 17:15:15 | kergoth | ahh |
| 17:15:18 | Cloudchaser | noidd I have a question for you |
| 17:15:19 | kergoth | s/age/ages/ |
| 17:15:23 | noidd | shoot CXlou |
| 17:15:26 | noidd | Cloudchaser: |
| 17:15:27 | noidd | even |
| 17:15:32 | Cloudchaser | if you have your pc and your z talking to each other over wireless |
| 17:15:35 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: good news, I got a 2.5 to compile :) |
| 17:15:44 | Cloudchaser | then you stil have to do internet sharing from your pc? |
| 17:16:17 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: nice! |
| 17:16:17 | Cloudchaser | and have other nic for access to the internet (if its cable) |
| 17:16:38 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: too bad it kernel paniced before init loaded :) |
| 17:16:51 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: haha. what was it doing during hte panic? |
| 17:17:02 | noidd | Cloudchaser: yes, taht bit is easy once I get traffic over the wireless |
| 17:17:03 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: you should report that, assuming it hasnt been already :-) |
| 17:17:14 | treke|ho1e | not sure. it was about 4 am so I took it as a sign I should go to sleep :) |
| 17:17:18 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:17:20 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 17:17:22 | kergoth | been there, done that |
| 17:17:22 | treke|ho1e | I'll try it again |
| 17:17:41 | Cloudchaser | thinks kernel was trying to escape when it panicked |
| 17:17:43 | treke|ho1e | just getting it to compile has returned my will to fight with it |
| 17:17:56 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:18:01 | kergoth | mine booted fine.. |
| 17:18:09 | kergoth | but then got a BUG when hotplug loaded usb-storage :-) |
| 17:18:31 | noidd | haha, that was hard :-) |
| 17:18:41 | treke|ho1e | plus I've now got a booting 2.4.18 to fall back on, with no way to check my battery status :) |
| 17:18:43 | Cloudchaser | noidd: what was? |
| 17:19:08 | noidd | getting wireless lan up |
| 17:19:14 | Cloudchaser | yeah it usually is ;) |
| 17:19:17 | noidd | being scarcastic - worked first time |
| 17:19:18 | noidd | :-) |
| 17:19:21 | treke|ho1e | brb. testing swsusp |
| 17:19:26 | Cloudchaser | easy i mean ;) |
| 17:19:28 | noidd | i guess I should enable WEP |
| 17:19:34 | cranch_ | wep suxors :) |
| 17:19:35 | noidd | reads da docs |
| 17:19:37 | Cloudchaser | i don't for home |
| 17:19:41 | Cloudchaser | too slow and who cares |
| 17:19:49 | Cloudchaser | if anyone listens into my irc conversations |
| 17:20:05 | noidd | exactly, I dont want people to see my irc sessions :-D |
| 17:20:15 | Cloudchaser | plus they'd have to stand in my driveway to eavesdrop anyway |
| 17:20:26 | Cloudchaser | i don't mind sharing internet connection anyway |
| 17:20:36 | noidd | apart from that - i'm going to a customer tomorrow, and going to break their network and sell them consultancy :-D |
| 17:20:52 | Cloudchaser | some cities have groups that set up free wireless networks ;) |
| 17:21:05 | Dr_Who | kergoth: ummm question for ya ... how does ipk determine what files to throw into the ipks? |
| 17:21:14 | kergoth | Dr_Who: ? |
| 17:21:18 | Cloudchaser | noidd: what kind of irc sessions do you have? lol |
| 17:21:19 | kergoth | Dr_Who: ipkg-build? mkipks? |
| 17:21:24 | kergoth | Dr_Who: what method of creating the ipk? |
| 17:21:41 | noidd | Cloudchaser: I'll give you a clue |
| 17:21:46 | Dr_Who | hmmm well say when you're doing a make kernel |
| 17:21:52 | noidd | I take, visa and mastercard - not american express :-) |
| 17:21:52 | kergoth | ahh |
| 17:21:54 | Dr_Who | it's going to create the kernel-modules ipk right |
| 17:21:57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:21:58 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 17:22:02 | Cloudchaser | blushes |
| 17:22:02 | Dr_Who | so how does it know to roll up /lib etc? |
| 17:22:06 | noidd | :-) |
| 17:22:09 | kergoth | Dr_Who: make kernel installs files into build/ipktemp/kernel-modules |
| 17:22:22 | kergoth | Dr_Who: then creates build/ipktemp/kernel-modules/CONTROL and puts control, postinst, etc in there |
| 17:22:27 | kergoth | Dr_Who: then it runs ipkg-build on that dir. |
| 17:22:33 | noidd | goes to install kissmet |
| 17:22:34 | Cloudchaser | really? |
| 17:22:39 | Cloudchaser | people pay you? |
| 17:22:44 | Dr_Who | ah |
| 17:22:44 | noidd | yes, really. |
| 17:22:49 | Dr_Who | that's pretty cool |
| 17:22:50 | noidd | I am going to install kissmet |
| 17:22:55 | Cloudchaser | oki |
| 17:23:09 | angry | noidd: kismet = phun program :) |
| 17:23:12 | Cloudchaser | good luck |
| 17:23:14 | noidd | thats the plan :-) |
| 17:23:18 | noidd | thanks Cloudchaser |
| 17:23:22 | angry | hehe |
| 17:23:33 | noidd | its interesting - cos the activity light on my wireless cardf is going nuts |
| 17:23:43 | noidd | and I dont have any other wierless devices on |
| 17:23:52 | treke|home | kergoth: Ok, so what part of this panic should I log? |
| 17:23:52 | noidd | so i'm wondering if there are other around :-0 |
| 17:23:55 | cranch_ | noidd...which wifi card |
| 17:23:58 | Cloudchaser | is it seehing your other pc? |
| 17:24:00 | cranch_ | and on what..your z |
| 17:24:40 | kergoth | treke|home: grab the whole thing... then you'll want to pipe it through ksymoops.. i can give you the command line options for it if you need |
| 17:24:59 | treke|home | ok. /me starts a typing |
| 17:25:05 | kergoth | treke|home: ksymoops will convert all those hex addresses into actual function names |
| 17:25:19 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe. serial console is your friend |
| 17:25:26 | treke|home | no serial port |
| 17:25:33 | George- | back |
| 17:25:33 | kergoth | treke|home: ahh ack |
| 17:25:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:25:38 | kergoth | re george |
| 17:27:10 | George- | kergoth: blah =P |
| 17:27:15 | George- | shoots kergoth *revenge* |
| 17:27:29 | angry | DCF-650W for $40 = good? |
| 17:27:32 | noidd | both buffalo |
| 17:27:40 | George- | angry: yes |
| 17:27:52 | George- | are the linksys wireless lan CF cards any good?> |
| 17:28:03 | noidd | you dont want to know how much I paid for my cards |
| 17:28:11 | noidd | more than double what you americans pay |
| 17:28:14 | noidd | bastards :-) |
| 17:28:17 | angry | the d-link is a good card though? |
| 17:28:26 | George- | ie - do the sticking out bits obscure anything? |
| 17:28:29 | Cam__ | do the really low power ones still not work with the Z? (symbol / socket, 20mA) |
| 17:28:30 | angry | noidd: $40 is really good even for america :) |
| 17:28:31 | caffeine^ | got a dlink and a symbol...both work good |
| 17:28:34 | George- | such as the stylus input, head phone jack? |
| 17:28:48 | noidd | I paid about 160 US$ |
| 17:28:55 | caffeine^ | noidd: ouch |
| 17:29:04 | noidd | thats UK prices. |
| 17:29:11 | George- | I paid about 130 USD for my linksys router wireless 10/100 switch thingy |
| 17:29:22 | George- | noidd: yeh, that's evil |
| 17:29:44 | George- | noidd: UK prices are for too high |
| 17:29:47 | George- | noidd: esp in london |
| 17:30:18 | George- | noidd: I went down into London today, and looked around for Wireless access points, some loser was trying to sell me one for £500!!! |
| 17:30:25 | noidd | bah, they stopped talking now :-( |
| 17:30:55 | George- | noidd: who? |
| 17:31:12 | noidd | you didn't stand next to a bearded guy who kept making scarcastic comments about someone wanting 100 quid for a 802.11A card |
| 17:31:17 | George- | noidd: Where in the UK do you live? |
| 17:31:25 | George- | noidd: hmm? |
| 17:31:57 | | angry: huh? |
| 17:31:57 | angry | ibot, 802.11b |
| 17:32:01 | | wireless is a pain in the @$$ to get working. |
| 17:32:01 | angry | ibot, wireless |
| 17:32:10 | | wish i knew, george- |
| 17:32:10 | George- | ibot: it is? |
| 17:32:11 | noidd | just outside london |
| 17:32:13 | | well, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 17:32:13 | angry | ibot, faq |
| 17:32:16 | George- | argh!!!! |
| 17:32:25 | Cam__ | George- what's your best price on a WAP? |
| 17:32:38 | angry | where's that page with the Zaurus wireless comparison thing |
| 17:32:40 | George- | Cam__: what? |
| 17:32:47 | noidd | I'll give you my best price on a WAP |
| 17:32:54 | Cam__ | George- what's your best price on a wireless access point |
| 17:32:55 | SirPsycho-home | angry: i think it is at the zauruszone howtos |
| 17:33:01 | noidd | You have to pay be 300 quid to give it to me |
| 17:33:01 | George- | Cam__: What type? |
| 17:33:38 | Cam__ | erm, wired ethernet in one side, wireless on the other, optionally NAT inbetween |
| 17:33:47 | George- | hopes his Apple AirPort works with the LinkSys WAP |
| 17:33:54 | | howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 17:33:54 | angry | ibot, howtos |
| 17:33:59 | George- | Cam__: heh, just bought that, LinkSys |
| 17:34:07 | George- | Cam__: £125 incl P&P |
| 17:34:15 | Cam__ | not bad, where from? |
| 17:34:15 | George- | Cam__: That was the cheapest price I could find.... |
| 17:34:16 | angry | ahh shit it blocks both of the ports |
| 17:34:27 | George- | Cam__: Amazon.co.uk |
| 17:34:54 | George- | Cam__: Has 10/100 switch on one side, 802.11b 11Mbps wireless on the other, Firewall and router in between |
| 17:35:08 | George- | Cam__: DSL and Cable |
| 17:35:15 | George- | Cam__: I'm stuck on 56k though =P |
| 17:35:26 | NetAmp | *sigh* |
| 17:35:31 | George- | hi NetAmp |
| 17:35:35 | NetAmp | My Z won't play midi :( |
| 17:35:37 | George- | NetAmp: You had a G2 right? |
| 17:35:37 | Cam__ | does it actually do ADSL too? so it has a phone line socket? |
| 17:35:41 | NetAmp | George-: hiya :) |
| 17:35:52 | George- | Cam__: I dunno |
| 17:35:52 | NetAmp | George-: I do have a G2 in place on the screen yes :) |
| 17:36:14 | George- | NetAmp: cool |
| 17:36:15 | George- | NetAmp: I trashed my first G2 =P |
| 17:36:18 | George- | NetAmp: I had to take the entire Z apart to fit the 2nd :) |
| 17:36:28 | George- | NetAmp: tell me, how did you install it? |
| 17:37:03 | George- | Cam__: http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=23&prid=173 |
| 17:37:05 | George- | Cam__: that's what i got |
| 17:38:03 | angry | does anybody here have the DCF-650W? |
| 17:38:08 | Cloudchaser | i do |
| 17:38:21 | angry | Cloudchaser: it really blocks both ports? |
| 17:38:29 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 17:38:36 | NetAmp | George-: So did I! :( |
| 17:38:38 | Cloudchaser | but i can work around the headphone one |
| 17:38:40 | NetAmp | George-: actually... |
| 17:38:42 | angry | Cloudchaser: so watching movies over wireless wouldnt be as good? |
| 17:38:46 | angry | Cloudchaser: ohh |
| 17:38:48 | NetAmp | George-: but the 2nd one is OK now :) |
| 17:39:00 | angry | Cloudchaser: just by bending it or did you need to file it off or something |
| 17:39:00 | Cloudchaser | but watching movies over wireless was not very good |
| 17:39:08 | angry | Cloudchaser: too slow? |
| 17:39:12 | noidd | going to try again - afk 10 mins |
| 17:39:18 | Cloudchaser | angry: i got a 2.99 right angle adapter for speakers |
| 17:39:23 | Cloudchaser | and shaved a bit off that |
| 17:39:29 | George- | NetAmp: how did you install it? =P |
| 17:39:35 | angry | Cloudchaser: sounds good |
| 17:39:40 | Cloudchaser | have to put the adapter in first then the CF card |
| 17:39:50 | Cloudchaser | the movie was very jerky over wireless |
| 17:40:25 | Cloudchaser | its how i had to test the re-sizing i did |
| 17:40:31 | cranch_ | so if it were between the SMC and buffalo CF cards..which one would you buy? |
| 17:40:35 | Cloudchaser | until my cf card is returned from being RMA |
| 17:40:50 | NetAmp | George-: I was like SO trying to not scr*w up the screen or anything else, and at first it didn't seem to fit at the side where the light is |
| 17:40:59 | George- | NetAmp: lol |
| 17:41:04 | NetAmp | George-: there's a black edge there, that's a tight fit |
| 17:41:15 | NetAmp | George-: but I managed to work it out :) |
| 17:41:23 | NetAmp | George-: And now I'm quite happy with it. |
| 17:41:40 | cranch_ | NetAmp..what where you doing? |
| 17:41:41 | angry | cranch_: i've never tried it, but hte buffalo sounds sweet |
| 17:41:52 | Cam__ | George it looks like a good bit of kit |
| 17:42:06 | NetAmp | George-: only thing is, there's some (though minimal) dust, and 'patterns' because it's not stuck on the actual screen... |
| 17:42:14 | NetAmp | George-: but they're normal I was told |
| 17:42:28 | angry | cranch_: i'm going to get the D-Link DCF-650W for $40 |
| 17:42:32 | cranch_ | NetAmp..what were you trying to do? | did you do? |
| 17:42:39 | angry | http://www.circuitcity.com/ewebIMa/init.jsp and search for DCF-650W |
| 17:42:41 | George- | NetAmp: The patterns are newtons rings, you can't get rid of them |
| 17:42:44 | angry | and theres two rebates you need to do |
| 17:42:51 | George- | NetAmp: Common when two glass-like surfaces meet =P |
| 17:42:59 | NetAmp | cranch: I was installing a G2 screen protector |
| 17:43:01 | angry | Cloudchaser: does it have a good range? |
| 17:43:02 | Cloudchaser | i wish i onlly paid 40.00 for mine |
| 17:43:11 | NetAmp | cranch_: (from pdascreenprotectors.com) |
| 17:43:16 | cranch_ | I don't like my big Dlink |
| 17:43:23 | cranch_ | try to listen to mp3's or net radio wirelessly |
| 17:43:42 | NetAmp | George-: yeah luckily they are and I didn't do it THAT wrong :P hehe |
| 17:43:44 | cranch_ | is setting up his mp3 connection on icecast |
| 17:43:45 | Cloudchaser | angry: apparently one of the best, but i think it depends on the power of the access point and stuff |
| 17:44:04 | Cloudchaser | cranch_: got a workaround |
| 17:44:10 | NetAmp | George-: and it's almost invisible when the screen's lit up, unless you're looking for them |
| 17:44:15 | Cloudchaser | oops he's gone |
| 17:44:18 | George- | NetAmp: True |
| 17:44:20 | angry | hehe |
| 17:44:21 | angry | his loss ;) |
| 17:44:49 | NetAmp | hm |
| 17:45:04 | NetAmp | can Opie player do MIDI as well? |
| 17:45:16 | angry | ahh youre back cranch |
| 17:45:18 | Cloudchaser | i think i'll try listening to ogg over wireless and see how that works :) |
| 17:45:20 | NetAmp | the launcher recognises the file but says it has no proper decoder |
| 17:45:22 | cranch_ | NetAmp..was it tough to install? |
| 17:45:40 | NetAmp | cranch_: for me it was, for George too it appears ;) |
| 17:45:48 | cranch_ | hehe |
| 17:45:57 | NetAmp | cranch_: but I'm glad the second one worked out OK |
| 17:46:18 | NetAmp | cranch_: (I also messed up the first one) Now I won't scratch the screen :) :) |
| 17:46:32 | cranch_ | you wreck your Z or the G2 |
| 17:46:46 | NetAmp | cranch_: hehe G2 luckily ;) |
| 17:46:52 | NetAmp | cranch_: *lol* |
| 17:47:05 | angry | NetAmp: ahh that sucks, i was thinking of getting a G2 |
| 17:47:08 | cranch_ | so they are better than writerights? |
| 17:47:31 | NetAmp | angry: they do work! It's just that, I found it hard to install on the Zaurus |
| 17:47:51 | NetAmp | cranch_: dunno, haven't tried, didn't have any PDA's before |
| 17:48:00 | NetAmp | cranch_: but the G2's are very clear |
| 17:48:00 | angry | NetAmp: any tips? :) |
| 17:48:11 | angry | on installation |
| 17:48:12 | NetAmp | And they are said to last long |
| 17:48:22 | NetAmp | angry: well.. it comes with an installation guide |
| 17:48:30 | NetAmp | but at least i'd make sure |
| 17:48:40 | NetAmp | that the side where the light is located, fits |
| 17:48:56 | NetAmp | it helped me turning the Z upside-down |
| 17:49:16 | NetAmp | and you better head for an as dust-free as possible area |
| 17:49:44 | cranch_ | it lays on top of the Z screen? |
| 17:50:00 | NetAmp | I got a bit of dust under it even though I installed it in the bath room with the hot water running for a while (to increase air humidity so there's less static elec.) |
| 17:50:06 | NetAmp | cranch_: it does |
| 17:50:15 | cranch_ | hmmm.... |
| 17:50:17 | NetAmp | cranch_: it's fixed under the edges of the frame |
| 17:50:26 | cranch_ | so you have to open your Z? |
| 17:50:51 | NetAmp | cranch_: so you COULD easily take it off again if you'd like... though I won't unless necessary |
| 17:50:54 | NetAmp | cranch_: nope |
| 17:51:06 | cranch_ | i see |
| 17:51:11 | NetAmp | cranch_: you don't have to open it, I would NOT recommend doing so |
| 17:51:11 | cranch_ | is it hard placstic? |
| 17:51:25 | cranch_ | I was gonna say...dust nightmare |
| 17:51:36 | George- | ahhh, great |
| 17:51:48 | George- | I just found out my airport card is compatible with the LinkSys router I bought :)))) |
| 17:51:53 | NetAmp | cranch_: it's just that it's quite hard plastic yes, and quite hard to get under the edges without trashing anything |
| 17:51:58 | George- | mdz: Ping |
| 17:52:00 | NetAmp | George-: woohooo! |
| 17:52:01 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 17:52:20 | George- | NetAmp: yeh, my Apple PowerBook is precious to me :) |
| 17:52:21 | cranch_ | will stick to the little Write Right thingies :) |
| 17:52:26 | cranch_ | anyone lese use though |
| 17:52:29 | NetAmp | cranch_: hehe ;) |
| 17:52:34 | cranch_ | else I meant |
| 17:52:38 | cranch_ | damn I can't type |
| 17:52:42 | cranch_ | anyone else use those |
| 17:53:11 | | it has been said that zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 17:53:11 | cranch_ | ibot: zsi |
| 17:53:18 | George- | cranch_: I've heard many great things about those |
| 17:53:49 | BigBoss | George-: did you see the tkcRace screenshots? |
| 17:54:04 | George- | BigBoss: yeh, they were really cool |
| 17:54:24 | BigBoss | i don't know what is taking so long to get them up on our site |
| 17:54:47 | George- | BigBoss: uhh, wait, screenshots? |
| 17:54:51 | George- | BigBoss: I only saw 1 |
| 17:54:52 | Cloudchaser | hehe i keep checking to see if its there |
| 17:55:21 | NetAmp | yeah yeah I love my SoundCanvas, it plays midi like an angel ;) |
| 17:55:23 | angry | BigBoss: why is your webserv. so slow :( |
| 17:55:57 | George- | angry: He's being DoS'd! =P |
| 17:56:06 | NetAmp | George-: *lol* |
| 17:56:11 | angry | hehe, just like riaa.org |
| 17:56:17 | NetAmp | haha! |
| 17:56:25 | angry | riaa.org was down for like 3 days |
| 17:56:26 | George- | angry: Just like? BigBoss *is* the RIAA |
| 17:56:27 | NetAmp | RIAA _really_ got it coming :P |
| 17:56:48 | George- | the RIAA are retards |
| 17:57:41 | NetAmp | indeed |
| 17:57:48 | NetAmp | http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/02jul/uf004480.gif |
| 17:58:08 | George- | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010417 |
| 17:58:24 | Cam__ | George- ebuyer.com have a wap for £105 |
| 17:58:43 | George- | Cam__: Is it good? |
| 17:58:59 | George- | Cam__: I only trust LinkSys, after all the shit I've seen come outa all the other companies |
| 17:59:12 | Cam__ | I guess if it works - it has the same features as the other one but is a yukky colour |
| 17:59:26 | George- | Cam__: LOL |
| 17:59:31 | Cam__ | it has the same two aerials |
| 17:59:54 | Cam__ | built in NAT, ethernet switch |
| 18:03:04 | oGMo | George-: only trust linksys? heh |
| 18:03:05 | George- | where? |
| 18:03:20 | George- | oGMo: haha, I once put a netLink card in my computer and it didn't work |
| 18:03:32 | George- | oGMo: I decided to stick with LinkSys, and linksys only ;) |
| 18:03:53 | oGMo | George-: you might try something like netgear or 3com sometime ;) |
| 18:04:15 | oGMo | linksys is OK, though |
| 18:04:24 | George- | oGMo: heh, what's wrong with LinkSys? =P |
| 18:04:31 | George- | oGMo: I don't have infinite money, ya know =P |
| 18:04:43 | BigBoss | the Buffalo wireless CF card is supposed to draw the lowest power of any card |
| 18:04:48 | oGMo | George-: well, if you're talking wireless, i know of two distinct reports of their cards dying |
| 18:04:51 | BigBoss | I've got the LinkSys myself, it's a bit of a pig |
| 18:04:58 | George- | oGMo: dying? |
| 18:05:13 | George- | BigBoss: which one is cheaper? ;) |
| 18:05:30 | oGMo | George-: like, they stopped working, burned out or who knows... one person had 3 cards die, one 2 (these were pcmcia/cardbus) |
| 18:05:40 | George- | oGMo: strange.... |
| 18:05:46 | George- | oGMo: I'm talking the router here ;) |
| 18:05:51 | oGMo | otherwise i've had no problems with their regular ethernet stuff |
| 18:05:53 | George- | oGMo: my client card is AirPort =P |
| 18:05:57 | oGMo | George-: ah |
| 18:06:10 | George- | oGMo: My 10/100 PCMCIA stuff hasn't died... |
| 18:06:20 | George- | and it use it a *lot* |
| 18:06:24 | oGMo | George-: nor mine, although i've got a schizophrenic one :) |
| 18:06:41 | oGMo | it thinks it has at least 3 different MAC addresses |
| 18:06:42 | George- | oGMo: schiz? why? |
| 18:06:46 | George- | oGMo: LOL |
| 18:06:48 | George- | roflmao |
| 18:06:54 | oGMo | they change randomly of course ;) |
| 18:06:58 | George- | hahahaha |
| 18:07:13 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 18:07:24 | George- | reconsiders buying a LinkSys Wireless eth |
| 18:07:31 | oGMo | i like the netgear 10/100 eth card i got though, no damn dongle |
| 18:07:43 | George- | does the Buffalo obscure the headphone jack or the stylus slot? |
| 18:07:53 | George- | oGMo: my linksys card has no dongle :) |
| 18:07:58 | George- | oGMo: a 10/100/56k |
| 18:08:05 | oGMo | George-: nifty :) |
| 18:08:14 | George- | oGMo: It's also a *hardware* modem |
| 18:08:18 | George- | oGMo: So no winmodem crap |
| 18:08:21 | oGMo | George-: but of course |
| 18:08:24 | George- | oGMo: That's why I like LinkSys :) |
| 18:08:27 | oGMo | linksys may be cheap, but they're not _cheap_ |
| 18:08:32 | George- | hates WinModems |
| 18:09:08 | George- | hmm |
| 18:09:13 | oGMo | hmm |
| 18:09:13 | George- | BigBoss: ping |
| 18:09:58 | Dr_Who | George-: happy to give ya an update when I upgrade my firmware |
| 18:10:15 | George- | Dr_Who: cool |
| 18:10:21 | George- | Dr_Who: When ya upgrading? :) |
| 18:10:28 | Dr_Who | going to try this afternoon |
| 18:10:36 | Dr_Who | hopefully it's easy enough to do via linux |
| 18:10:46 | Dr_Who | if not, you'll hear me swearing up a storm |
| 18:11:10 | George- | Dr_Who: LOL |
| 18:11:53 | George- | ooooh |
| 18:12:02 | George- | iTunes 3 has some new nifty visualisations :) |
| 18:12:08 | Dr_Who | sure does! |
| 18:12:10 | BigBoss | pong |
| 18:12:12 | BigBoss | I gotta run |
| 18:12:15 | George- | BigBoss: ok bye |
| 18:12:24 | George- | Dr_Who: yep |
| 18:12:30 | George- | Dr_Who: I haven't seen half of these before :) |
| 18:12:55 | George- | What's the reception of the TiBook's Airport like? |
| 18:13:07 | George- | I've heard it's not great... |
| 18:13:08 | Dr_Who | grrrrr doesn't recoginize the tibook screen size tho |
| 18:13:15 | Dr_Who | ummm wasn't bad in my house... |
| 18:13:36 | BigBoss | my TiBook using airport works great |
| 18:13:39 | George- | Dr_Who: what doesn't recognise the tibook screen size? |
| 18:13:39 | Dr_Who | the signal was pretty strong all around the house.... |
| 18:13:41 | BigBoss | I have a linksys wireless hub |
| 18:13:45 | George- | BigBoss: ah, great |
| 18:13:46 | BigBoss | use it all over the house and backyard |
| 18:13:50 | George- | BigBoss: Which wireless hub? |
| 18:13:53 | BigBoss | I can sit in my spa on the internet |
| 18:13:53 | Dr_Who | itunes3 ... I have two black strips on the left and right |
| 18:13:56 | George- | LOL |
| 18:14:01 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 18:14:03 | BigBoss | befw11s4 from linksys |
| 18:14:04 | George- | Dr_Who: which tibook? |
| 18:14:12 | George- | BigBoss: cool, I just bought that :) |
| 18:14:15 | Dr_Who | 667 .. just got it this week |
| 18:14:27 | George- | Dr_Who: The strange ATI Radeon 7500 one? |
| 18:14:33 | George- | with the $MASSIVE screen? |
| 18:14:38 | Dr_Who | BigBoss: is that just the wireless access point or ??? |
| 18:14:50 | Dr_Who | yup definately $MASSIVE .. love it |
| 18:15:01 | George- | Dr_Who: You bastard, I have the older 667MHz one |
| 18:15:05 | George- | Dr_Who: hehe :) |
| 18:15:21 | Dr_Who | sprung for the 60 gig drive too |
| 18:15:30 | George- | Dr_Who: do you notice erratic behavior with the CD-RW/DVD? |
| 18:15:36 | Dr_Who | not yet |
| 18:15:44 | George- | Dr_Who: I'm waiting for those IBM Pixie dust drives to reach 200GB :) |
| 18:15:49 | Dr_Who | quieter than my g3 powerbook |
| 18:15:52 | George- | Dr_Who: Before I upgrade from 30GB |
| 18:16:05 | George- | Dr_Who: hmm, my tibook's dvd/cd-rw is strange |
| 18:16:08 | Dr_Who | yeah? |
| 18:16:12 | George- | yeh |
| 18:16:22 | George- | it won't read DVDs which can be read in other players |
| 18:16:24 | Dr_Who | my G3 dvd drive was kind of alarming to use as it would start up |
| 18:16:34 | George- | (ie - if they're slightly scratched, it won't play em) |
| 18:16:35 | Dr_Who | hmmm wild |
| 18:17:36 | George- | yeh, it's strange |
| 18:17:44 | George- | This tibook is a bit frustrating |
| 18:17:57 | George- | the DVD/CD-RW is erratic, a blown pixel, regular screen burn-ins... |
| 18:18:04 | George- | I got the worst of the stock =P |
| 18:20:11 | Dr_Who | no fun |
| 18:20:24 | Dr_Who | I expect the linux experience to be kinda rough |
| 18:20:32 | Dr_Who | not sure where the l3 fix is |
| 18:20:37 | George- | Dr_Who: on what? |
| 18:20:43 | Dr_Who | and as I recall getting X to go could be fun |
| 18:20:44 | George- | Dr_Who: oh, right |
| 18:20:53 | George- | Dr_Who: I hear Gentoo works pretty well on it |
| 18:21:13 | George- | Dr_Who: Well, it works OK on my tibook anyway; it was the only distro that wanted to work |
| 18:22:02 | Dr_Who | hmmm good point ... never thought about trying that one out |
| 18:22:09 | Dr_Who | was going to go for my first debian install |
| 18:22:16 | Dr_Who | otherwise back to YDL |
| 18:23:56 | George- | Dr_Who: Gentoo-PPC rocks |
| 18:24:08 | George- | Dr_Who: Seriously, it's the only distro that wanted to work OOTB for me |
| 18:24:54 | Dr_Who | wow |
| 18:25:01 | Dr_Who | X and all? |
| 18:25:05 | George- | Dr_Who: yep |
| 18:25:11 | George- | Dr_Who: Except for DRI |
| 18:25:13 | Dr_Who | heh ... well I'll have to give a rip then |
| 18:25:23 | Dr_Who | perfect time for it |
| 18:25:30 | George- | Dr_Who: It's a tibook 667MHz w/gigabit cdrw, 1152x768 screen |
| 18:26:53 | George- | Dr_Who: not quite the same, but similar |
| 18:27:39 | Dr_Who | yeah should be close enough |
| 18:27:50 | Dr_Who | pullin' the iso down now |
| 18:27:55 | George- | Dr_Who: lol, I wouldn't count on it |
| 18:28:26 | Dr_Who | yeah well I'll have my can o whoop-ass ready |
| 18:29:44 | Dr_Who | 8-) |
| 18:36:36 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 18:37:38 | NeoTron | whee. first IR dog fight for RocketElite on the Zaurus. :PP |
| 18:37:40 | NeoTron | how fun |
| 18:37:56 | NetAmp | wheeeeee |
| 18:37:58 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 18:38:01 | treke|home | how did you manage that? |
| 18:38:15 | NeoTron | open /dev/ttyS2 and start reading/writing? :P |
| 18:38:25 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 18:45:37 | XavierXeon | anyone here who wants to draw some icons ? |
| 18:52:15 | oGMo | ok anyone connected over a GSM phone using IrDA before? |
| 18:52:33 | oGMo | ...their Z to the internet... |
| 18:55:58 | Cloudchaser | hey is anyone here knowledgeable with databases? |
| 18:56:04 | qurve | Is there a way to use the "File Transfer" in the synchronizing software to transfer directly to a CF/SD card |
| 18:56:08 | oGMo | Cloudchaser, a bit |
| 18:56:13 | qurve | Or do you have to transfer it to RAM, then move it to CF/SD |
| 18:56:21 | Cam__ | Are there any Palm aficionados here? |
| 18:57:48 | Cam__ | What are the killer apps on the Palm that are missing from the Z? Are there many good GPLed Palm apps? |
| 18:58:22 | ljp | never used a palmpilot |
| 18:58:25 | George- | Cam__: Dope Wars, from what I've heard |
| 18:58:25 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: icons? |
| 18:58:54 | NetAmp | Cloudchaser: mostly MySQL |
| 18:59:42 | NetAmp | qurve: You can make that choice from Qtopia Desktop |
| 18:59:51 | qurve | You can? |
| 18:59:54 | qurve | Well |
| 19:00:01 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: icons for my app |
| 19:00:02 | qurve | You click on the file then 'move' it over |
| 19:00:05 | NetAmp | qurve: yep, you can choose RAM or SD/CF |
| 19:00:05 | qurve | Is that what you mean? |
| 19:00:07 | qurve | Yeah |
| 19:00:08 | qurve | But like |
| 19:00:16 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: what kind of pics do you need? |
| 19:00:24 | qurve | what if I want to transfer 100mb of mp3's directly onto my SD card in one movement :\ |
| 19:00:28 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: like what sort of app is it |
| 19:00:31 | qurve | I'd have to transfer over like 5mb, move them |
| 19:00:33 | qurve | transfer again |
| 19:00:34 | qurve | move them |
| 19:00:35 | George- | qurve: LOL |
| 19:00:41 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: a c++ class viewer |
| 19:00:44 | qurve | it'd take all day |
| 19:00:44 | qurve | hehe |
| 19:00:46 | George- | qurve: Are you sure it can read SD fast enough to play MP3s? |
| 19:00:55 | qurve | I dunno |
| 19:00:56 | NetAmp | qurve: hehe, nope, you can put them on SD |
| 19:00:57 | qurve | Can it? |
| 19:01:00 | qurve | heh |
| 19:01:05 | NetAmp | qurve: also you can use FTP do write to SD directly |
| 19:01:10 | qurve | This is true. |
| 19:01:12 | qurve | Ok |
| 19:01:15 | qurve | That'll work. |
| 19:01:16 | George- | qurve: or you can get a SD reader =P |
| 19:01:28 | NetAmp | George: I play MP3s from SD :) |
| 19:01:28 | qurve | Now all I have to do is wait for them to support the sd card I bought |
| 19:01:40 | George- | qurve: lol |
| 19:01:44 | NetAmp | qurve: hehe ;) |
| 19:03:04 | qurve | Anyone bought the digicam card yet? |
| 19:03:07 | qurve | I really want one :] |
| 19:03:28 | George- | qurve: Apparently it isn't very good |
| 19:03:29 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: what kind of format? xpm's? |
| 19:03:39 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: png |
| 19:03:43 | George- | qurve: Apparently, it's really crap indoors, since it has no flash etc |
| 19:03:47 | qurve | Ouch |
| 19:03:53 | George- | qurve: But apparently fine outdoors |
| 19:03:53 | qurve | I'm not really worried about quality |
| 19:03:54 | ljp | can someone try lining handhelds.org |
| 19:03:58 | ljp | pinging even |
| 19:03:59 | qurve | Just something I can take pics of me/friends with |
| 19:03:59 | George- | qurve: Although it's only 640x480 |
| 19:04:12 | | ljp: excuse me? |
| 19:04:12 | ljp | ibot: ping handhelds.org |
| 19:04:12 | George- | ljp: ping works |
| 19:04:15 | qurve | what resolution does it take them at? |
| 19:04:17 | George- | ljp: It works! |
| 19:04:26 | ljp | hmmm.. ok |
| 19:04:27 | George- | qurve: 640x480 |
| 19:04:35 | George- | /ping ljp |
| 19:04:37 | NeoTron | compiles RocketElite with debug |
| 19:04:43 | ljp | how about cvs.handhelds.org ? |
| 19:04:44 | qurve | erm, I meant how many ppi |
| 19:04:45 | qurve | 72? |
| 19:04:46 | qurve | 300? |
| 19:04:47 | George- | =P |
| 19:04:56 | George- | qurve: I dunno |
| 19:04:59 | qurve | hrm |
| 19:05:00 | qurve | ok |
| 19:05:01 | qurve | thanks :] |
| 19:05:04 | George- | qurve: But that res is pretty low =P |
| 19:05:20 | qurve | 640x480 is big enough for anything I'd need to take :] |
| 19:05:22 | George- | ljp: cvs.handhelds.org pinging ok |
| 19:05:29 | George- | qurve: heh |
| 19:05:32 | NetAmp | Pinging handhelds.org [192.58.209.91] with 32 bytes of data: |
| 19:05:32 | NetAmp | Reply from 192.58.209.91: bytes=32 time=594ms TTL=237 |
| 19:05:36 | George- | qurve: My real digicam does 1600x1200 :) |
| 19:05:44 | qurve | heh, that's my whole desktop |
| 19:05:51 | George- | qurve: same |
| 19:05:56 | prpplague | i wonder if symbol is going to make a version of the zaurus |
| 19:06:03 | George- | prpplague: huh? |
| 19:06:08 | NetAmp | so does mine :) I've got a little Sony CyberShot |
| 19:06:16 | George- | NetAmp: ugh, sony =P |
| 19:06:22 | NetAmp | George: heh ;) |
| 19:06:25 | George- | NetAmp: You collaborate with a collaborator of the RIAA! |
| 19:06:36 | George- | NetAmp: likewise with the MPAA ;) |
| 19:06:36 | NetAmp | George: yeah, and the battery sucks too |
| 19:06:40 | George- | lol |
| 19:06:47 | prpplague | George-: symbol has a version of the palm and ipaq for inventory |
| 19:06:49 | George- | I have a Minolta DIMAGE E203 |
| 19:06:57 | George- | prpplague: uh? |
| 19:07:01 | George- | prpplague: website? |
| 19:07:07 | prpplague | George-: one moment |
| 19:07:16 | NetAmp | George: they say that their 'smart' Li-Ion batteries don't suffer from 'memory effect'... well, they DO! |
| 19:07:52 | XavierXeon | how do you compile qtopia ? configure says read the install file. i do not have a install file ! |
| 19:08:03 | prpplague | George-: here is the palm page - http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_palm.html |
| 19:08:27 | prpplague | George-: here is the ipaq page - http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_ce_ppt2700.html |
| 19:10:57 | prpplague | George-: did i lose ya on the url's ? |
| 19:11:24 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: I can DCC you an icon |
| 19:11:33 | NetAmp | may be useful |
| 19:13:05 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: DCC window opened but nothing happened |
| 19:13:24 | NetAmp | argh |
| 19:13:33 | NetAmp | hm now it did |
| 19:14:51 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: err..it disapeared. must have pressed the wrong button. could you send it again ? |
| 19:15:24 | NetAmp | k |
| 19:16:47 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: got it |
| 19:16:48 | George- | prpplague: no |
| 19:16:52 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: ok :) |
| 19:16:56 | George- | er.. |
| 19:16:57 | George- | prpplague: yes |
| 19:17:02 | prpplague | ohh |
| 19:17:31 | prpplague | George-: seems to be happening alot to me today |
| 19:17:34 | prpplague | George-: here is the palm page - http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_palm.html |
| 19:17:38 | prpplague | George-: here is the ipaq page - http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_ce_ppt2700.html |
| 19:18:05 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: nice. are you doing icons for fun ? |
| 19:18:10 | prpplague | George-: but its not like anyone is going to pay $2500 for an ipaq |
| 19:18:42 | prpplague | George-: even if its a little supped up |
| 19:18:48 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: err... I wish... I was kinda 'lending' that one from another icon ;) hehe |
| 19:19:04 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: I just changed it |
| 19:19:06 | George- | prpplague: wtf is all that? =P |
| 19:19:08 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: any copyright issues ? |
| 19:19:53 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: hm.. it came with Borland Delphi so.. maybe change it a bit more ;) |
| 19:20:07 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: depends on whether you're going to sell the app.. |
| 19:20:16 | prpplague | George-: like i said, symbols versions of the palm and ipaq with barcode scanner, 802.11, and an extra rubber housing |
| 19:20:32 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: free app (beer and speech) |
| 19:20:36 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 19:20:52 | George- | prpplague: That's really pointless |
| 19:21:05 | George- | prpplague: It's so stupid, I'd rather buy a rugged laptop with all that on it... |
| 19:21:10 | George- | prpplague: for the same price =P |
| 19:21:19 | prpplague | George-: yep, and thats not even the worst of it |
| 19:21:38 | George- | prpplague: ? |
| 19:21:42 | George- | oh yay |
| 19:21:44 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: well sometimes I do them for 'fun' (it's not always that much fun, pixel art, hehe), just Windoze .ico files for my (Delphi) apps |
| 19:21:47 | prpplague | George-: http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_kb_p |
| 19:21:48 | George- | tomorrow X11 for Zaurus gets released =P |
| 19:22:00 | prpplague | George-: guess how much that one sells for? |
| 19:22:01 | NetAmp | George: sweet ;) |
| 19:22:16 | George- | prpplague: 404 |
| 19:22:22 | George- | NetAmp: heh, not really |
| 19:22:29 | George- | NetAmp: The .mk spec files for OZ are released :) |
| 19:22:35 | NetAmp | oops |
| 19:22:39 | NetAmp | :D |
| 19:22:41 | prpplague | George-: maybe, i ended up on the weekend work call |
| 19:22:44 | prpplague | George-: http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_kb_pdt_6800.html |
| 19:22:55 | prpplague | George-: oops sorry didn't get all of the url |
| 19:23:09 | George- | prpplague: ok, hang on |
| 19:23:11 | George- | prpplague: lemme guess :) |
| 19:23:33 | George- | $500? |
| 19:23:42 | prpplague | George-: ha, try another 0 |
| 19:23:48 | NetAmp | huh?? |
| 19:23:51 | George- | 5000?!?!?!!?! |
| 19:23:52 | NetAmp | why are they selling it? |
| 19:23:52 | prpplague | George-: average cost is around $5000 |
| 19:24:01 | George- | FOR A 8MHZ DR-DOS SYSTEM?!?!?! |
| 19:24:18 | prpplague | George-: and that doesn't even include the sdk for it which is another $2500 |
| 19:24:18 | George- | 640KB of RAM!?!? |
| 19:24:27 | George- | OMG |
| 19:24:30 | George- | faints |
| 19:24:54 | NetAmp | oh you mean the symbol thingies... |
| 19:25:16 | prpplague | George-: thats why they can get away with selling the ipaqs, these ppl that have been buying the 6800 think they are getting a deal |
| 19:25:24 | George- | prpplague: so you're gonna release X11 (deb0rked) for Zaurus tomorrow (.mk file)? |
| 19:25:35 | George- | prpplague: omfg |
| 19:25:39 | George- | prpplague: that's stupid |
| 19:25:48 | George- | nice business plan though :) |
| 19:25:50 | prpplague | George-: ya, if i don't get interupted too much tonight |
| 19:26:00 | George- | Make $2200 on every iPaq you sell :) |
| 19:26:21 | George- | starts up a business called Symb0l |
| 19:26:39 | George- | registers www.symb0l.we.are.overpriced.maniacs.who.sell.shit.com |
| 19:27:08 | George- | prpplague: Is there a way to Debian-ise the X11? |
| 19:27:11 | prpplague | George-: symbol is the m$ of the inventory/warehousing world |
| 19:27:20 | George- | prpplague: I want to run Debian on my Zaurus :) |
| 19:27:33 | prpplague | George-: ya mdz is doing debian |
| 19:27:40 | George- | prpplague: I know |
| 19:27:44 | George- | prpplague: But it don't work |
| 19:28:03 | prpplague | George-: if we build ipkg binaries with the right dir's it should run fine |
| 19:28:28 | George- | ahh, ok |
| 19:28:44 | George- | prpplague: the prob with mdz's debian is that it is designed to run from Flash |
| 19:28:51 | George- | prpplague: I want to run from CF, dammit! :) |
| 19:29:36 | prpplague | George-: well this built should care where its run from as long as the base dirs don't change |
| 19:29:56 | George- | prpplague: it *should* care? |
| 19:30:33 | prpplague | George-: ya normally it should, but... |
| 19:30:48 | prpplague | George-: oops typo, |
| 19:30:57 | George- | ? |
| 19:31:06 | prpplague | George-: it should not care where its run from |
| 19:31:18 | prpplague | George-: trying to do to many things at once |
| 19:33:26 | George- | prpplague: heh, ok |
| 19:33:29 | George- | mdz: Ping |
| 19:33:35 | George- | when is mdz normally alive? |
| 19:34:41 | arrrg | is there a way to right click with keypebble? |
| 19:35:13 | treke|home | arrrg: NO |
| 19:35:15 | treke|home | er no |
| 19:35:45 | George- | treke|home: DON'T SHOUT! :) |
| 19:35:54 | George- | er don't shout! :) |
| 19:37:33 | George- | i'm getting stressed out by *thinking* about porting Debian =) |
| 19:37:34 | XavierXeon | arrrg: you have to use the other end of the stylus |
| 19:37:45 | arrrg | oh yeah? |
| 19:37:52 | arrrg | that didn't work |
| 19:37:54 | arrrg | :-p |
| 19:38:04 | George- | XavierXeon: LOL |
| 19:38:29 | George- | thinks they should implement a system where you press a button on the stylus and hold down whilst tapping the screen to right-click |
| 19:38:48 | treke|home | you press and hold to right click. if the program allows it |
| 19:38:51 | treke|home | keypebble doesnt |
| 19:39:32 | arrrg | yes I know I was jokeing. |
| 19:39:35 | | hogger was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 17 hours, 47 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: i had one, it just quit one day and never came back. i got a smc. [Fri Aug 2 02:52:22 2002] |
| 19:39:35 | n18212591 | ibot seen hogger |
| 19:40:58 | arrrg | do you know where I can get the source for keypebble? |
| 19:41:09 | treke|home | opie cvs has it |
| 19:41:46 | mdz | George-: yes? |
| 19:43:10 | XavierXeon | has made qtopia cross-compile |
| 19:43:11 | mdz | George-: there is no reason why you couldn't run my image from CF; you just need to edit one script to mkfs & mount a different device |
| 19:44:14 | treke|home | arrrg: some time this week, keypebble will probabe support right click |
| 19:44:47 | arrrg | treke|home: are you working on it? |
| 19:45:04 | treke|home | yes. its a simple fix for that |
| 19:45:29 | arrrg | I also want to be able to use all the keys. |
| 19:45:35 | arrrg | like the home key and directional pad |
| 19:45:43 | arrrg | be able to reprogram them for vnc |
| 19:46:23 | treke|home | someone else will have to write that. I dont have those keys on my ipaq :) |
| 19:46:24 | noda | I think I've gotten the usb-storage module working properly on my Linux 2.4.19 box. What do I type to actually *mount* my cf card? :) |
| 19:46:46 | arrrg | treke|home: did I tell you about my grand master plan? |
| 19:46:47 | George- | ok |
| 19:46:52 | George- | Anyone got rom 1.12 here? |
| 19:46:52 | NetAmp | treke|home: "probabe"? it's babe-friendly software? |
| 19:46:55 | George- | or rom 1.37? |
| 19:47:02 | NetAmp | *grin* |
| 19:47:04 | George- | (ie - the one that has a 20-12 config) |
| 19:47:23 | treke|home | arrrg: no |
| 19:47:45 | arrrg | treke|home: zaurus is the head for my car mp3 player |
| 19:47:47 | mdz | George-: you were looking for me? |
| 19:47:51 | George- | mdz: yah |
| 19:47:54 | George- | mdz: uh |
| 19:48:02 | George- | mdz: What is that debian thingy on Z based for? |
| 19:48:04 | mdz | George-: there is no reason that you couldn't run my image from CF rather than internal flash, you would only have to change one script |
| 19:48:08 | George- | mdz: SL 5500 or 5000D? |
| 19:48:20 | George- | mdz: ahh, cool |
| 19:48:20 | mdz | George-: I have a 5500, but it should work fine on 5000D |
| 19:48:31 | George- | mdz: What are the requirements ramdisk wise...? |
| 19:48:47 | George- | mdz: I'd like to have the full 32MB available |
| 19:48:53 | George- | mdz: and scrap the ramdisk |
| 19:48:54 | mdz | George-: the initrd is 13230080 bytes |
| 19:49:06 | George- | hmm |
| 19:49:11 | George- | How does the initrd work? |
| 19:49:12 | mdz | George-: by ramdisk, do you mean the initrd, or the other stuff in flash? |
| 19:49:16 | George- | I couldn't find any symlinks |
| 19:49:23 | George- | mdz: I mean the MTD device in RAM |
| 19:49:25 | treke|home | arrrg: I reckon, you can get mp3 players cheaper than a Z thoough :) |
| 19:49:30 | George- | mdz: /dev/mtdblock1 on the sharp ROM |
| 19:49:31 | mdz | George-: the initrd (creates and) mounts a writable filesystem and pivots into it |
| 19:49:36 | arrrg | treke|home: wheres the fun in that? |
| 19:49:45 | mdz | George-: it doesn't need to use any of /dev/mtdblock1 if you don't want it to |
| 19:49:51 | George- | mdz: where does it create it from? |
| 19:49:57 | mdz | George-: but the stock setup will take up about 3M if you use it as-is |
| 19:50:09 | George- | strange... |
| 19:50:12 | treke|home | arrrg: Having an extra 200 bucks is fun in my book :) |
| 19:50:14 | mdz | George-: if you do a hard reset, it mkfs's it |
| 19:50:22 | George- | I kept getting errors of running out of diskspace |
| 19:50:24 | mdz | George-: then copies in a skeleton from the cramfs initrd |
| 19:50:25 | George- | on first bootup |
| 19:50:48 | George- | mdz: OK, this is confusing me :) |
| 19:50:52 | mdz | George-: did you press the hard reset button after flashing? |
| 19:50:54 | George- | yes |
| 19:50:56 | oGMo | damn |
| 19:51:04 | oGMo | i can't tell what's up with IrDA |
| 19:51:06 | mdz | George-: at what point did it run out of disk space? |
| 19:51:17 | oGMo | no one dialed up with it before? |
| 19:51:18 | George- | mdz: I couldn't read, it was scrolling wayyy too fast |
| 19:51:31 | George- | mdz: Thousands upon thousands of outa disk space errors |
| 19:51:41 | George- | mdz: Could you explain how the system works? |
| 19:51:49 | arrrg | treke|home: extra 200? how do you figure? I got my computer + zaurus for less than is gonna cost me for a mp3 player for my car |
| 19:51:54 | George- | mdz: It boots off initrd, with a sharp kernel... |
| 19:52:02 | George- | then it formats /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 19:52:06 | mdz | George-: first thing in the boot process, it checks to see whether you did a hard reset. If you did, it does a mke2fs on /dev/mtdblock1, mounts it, and copies in a couple of M of stuff |
| 19:52:07 | George- | and does what to mtdblock1? |
| 19:52:09 | arrrg | and won't have as much disk space |
| 19:52:14 | mdz | George-: then pivot_roots |
| 19:52:16 | George- | ok |
| 19:52:21 | George- | where does it copy the stuff from? |
| 19:52:26 | mdz | George-: from the initrd |
| 19:52:29 | George- | mdz: where |
| 19:52:36 | mdz | George-: the initrd is / at that point |
| 19:52:43 | George- | I know |
| 19:52:49 | mdz | George-: so for example, it copies /etc and /var to mtdblock1 |
| 19:52:50 | George- | but where in the initrd does it copy it from? |
| 19:52:55 | George- | ahh |
| 19:53:05 | George- | so it just copies a copy of the initrd from flash into mtdblock? |
| 19:53:11 | George- | the _entire_ initrd? |
| 19:53:16 | mdz | George-: no |
| 19:53:20 | mdz | George-: it copies mostly symlinks |
| 19:53:25 | George- | uhm |
| 19:53:32 | George- | is there a way to make it not symlink? |
| 19:53:36 | mdz | George-: except for what needs to be writable, like /etc and /var |
| 19:53:43 | George- | ie - just have it the way a normal desktop linux system works? |
| 19:53:45 | mdz | George-: you want to copy the whole thing? |
| 19:53:48 | George- | yes |
| 19:53:54 | mdz | George-: a normal desktop linux system has a writable root FS |
| 19:53:54 | George- | I want the entire root to be writable |
| 19:54:06 | mdz | George-: the reason it works this way right now is because I don't have a JFFS kernel yet |
| 19:54:10 | George- | mdz: well, if it pivot_root's to cf |
| 19:54:16 | mdz | George-: and I don't have a JFFS kernel yet because I am waiting on kergoth :-) |
| 19:54:18 | George- | mdz: surely the CF is now root, and that's rw |
| 19:54:20 | ljp | George-: use openzaurus then |
| 19:54:23 | George- | ljp: lol |
| 19:54:27 | George- | ljp: I want Debian |
| 19:54:32 | mdz | George-: sure, you could do that |
| 19:54:35 | George- | ljp: Debian is really nifty |
| 19:54:42 | mdz | George-: but why copy the stuff in the initrd and waste space? |
| 19:54:42 | George- | mdz: I basically would like a intimate on Z |
| 19:54:46 | ljp | uhhh.. its based on familiar, which is based on debian |
| 19:54:56 | mdz | George-: it symlinks because that way you get to save a lot of space with the compression in cramfs |
| 19:54:59 | George- | ljp: forget it |
| 19:55:13 | George- | mdz: hmm |
| 19:55:22 | mdz | George-: you could very easily change it to copy everything, though |
| 19:55:32 | George- | mdz: I have a 160MB CF, which I'd like to have a rw root fs on |
| 19:55:34 | mdz | George-: you would just have to edit the script on the initrd and re-mkcramfs |
| 19:55:40 | George- | ok |
| 19:55:44 | George- | where's the script? |
| 19:55:46 | mdz | George-: /etc/init.d/zaurus-base |
| 19:55:56 | George- | ahh, ok |
| 19:56:11 | sumeet_p | hmm, where do I get fakeroot from? |
| 19:56:16 | mdz | George-: I agree that the read-only root fs is a big pain in the ass, and I'll be getting rid of it as soon as it is feasible |
| 19:56:33 | George- | mdz: Yes |
| 19:56:53 | George- | mdz: Maybe you could make two versions: one with a rw root fs on CF, and one the way it is? |
| 19:56:57 | mdz | George-: but it is designed so that you can install new packages with dpkg onto the writable part, and replace only the files which are different from the cramfs part, so that you save space |
| 19:57:17 | mdz | George-: even better, once there is a real boot loader, you could boot directly from CF |
| 19:57:36 | George- | mdz: I know |
| 19:57:44 | George- | mdz: I'm pissed off with the angelboot bootloader |
| 19:57:52 | mdz | George-: but why waste the space on mtdblock0? I don't think you can use it as RAM, can you? |
| 19:58:01 | George- | no you can't |
| 19:58:15 | George- | but if it ain't rw, I'm not gonna use it =P |
| 19:58:28 | George- | uhm |
| 19:58:58 | mdz | George-: well, it is rw...it just contains a bunch of symlinks into ro :-) |
| 19:59:16 | XavierXeon | DOH ! i am using the wrong qt-embedded version :-( |
| 19:59:26 | NetAmp | whoop |
| 19:59:27 | NetAmp | s |
| 19:59:39 | George- | is pcmcia support loaded before the zaurus-base script? |
| 19:59:44 | George- | mdz: heh, that's not good enough :) |
| 20:00:06 | George- | mdz: I might have a go at hacking it and getting it to be jffs2 |
| 20:00:11 | George- | mdz: *then* it'll be OK :) |
| 20:01:00 | mdz | George-: on the flash, or on CF? |
| 20:01:06 | George- | mdz: On flash |
| 20:01:16 | George- | mdz: jffs2 only works with mtd block devices... |
| 20:01:44 | mdz | George-: is there not a driver to allow it to work on any block device? It would be nice to have compression on a rw CF card too |
| 20:01:54 | George- | mdz: is jffs2 compressed? |
| 20:02:05 | mdz | George-: yes. doesn't compress as well as cramfs, of course |
| 20:02:11 | George- | mdz: ahh, ok |
| 20:02:18 | George- | mdz: anyway |
| 20:02:27 | mdz | George-: the only reason that I'm not using jffs2 right now is because I don't have a jffs2 kernel |
| 20:02:29 | George- | mdz: does the pcmcia support load before zaurus-base? |
| 20:02:39 | cranch_ | do most people use CF readers rather than transferring while the CF card is in the Z? |
| 20:02:40 | George- | mdz: I can make you a jffs2 kernel, don't bother about that, lol |
| 20:02:41 | mdz | George-: hmm, no, it doesn't. good point |
| 20:02:53 | George- | mdz: what's the default runlevel? 3? 5? |
| 20:02:57 | mdz | George-: Well, I can build Sharp's kernel with jffs2, but yuck. I want 2.4.18 |
| 20:03:25 | George- | mdz: lol |
| 20:03:27 | mdz | George-: 2 |
| 20:03:32 | George- | ok |
| 20:03:44 | George- | uhm |
| 20:03:50 | mdz | George-: I don't want to upload 2.4.6 kernel sources to Debian, that's for sure. I want to build the kernel from what's already in the archive |
| 20:04:00 | George- | in rc2.d, I don't see a symlink to zaurus-base |
| 20:04:08 | George- | mdz: hmm, 2.4.19 is out now |
| 20:04:11 | mdz | George-: it's exactly like any other Debian system in every respect, except for the crazy boot process |
| 20:04:19 | George- | lol |
| 20:04:22 | George- | crazy? |
| 20:04:27 | mdz | George-: it is? shit |
| 20:04:37 | George- | mdz: Check slashdot =P |
| 20:04:41 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-08-03 19:33:49 | Autonomous Underwater Vehicle Competition | New Red Hat Multimedia Oriented Distribution | Reclaiming the Commons | High Definition DVD |
| 20:04:41 | George- | ibot slashdot |
| 20:04:44 | mdz | George-: I just built a new 2.4.18, and I checked right before I did it to make sure .19 wasn't out yet |
| 20:04:49 | George- | LOL |
| 20:04:55 | mdz | yesterday |
| 20:05:02 | mdz | bastards |
| 20:05:19 | George- | yep |
| 20:05:29 | XavierXeon | can not stare longer at any monitor for today |
| 20:05:36 | George- | how is zaurus-base called? |
| 20:05:41 | George- | It's not symlink'd in rc2.d |
| 20:05:47 | sumeet_p | George-: openzaurus? |
| 20:05:55 | mdz | George-: rcS.d |
| 20:06:06 | George- | sumeet_p: Debian |
| 20:06:17 | mdz | George-: runlevel S is called before anything else |
| 20:06:25 | George- | mdz: ahh, ok |
| 20:06:31 | sumeet_p | needs gentoo/portage ebuild of oz |
| 20:06:32 | mdz | maybe I'll just cave in and use 2.4.6 kernel sources |
| 20:06:38 | George- | lol |
| 20:06:47 | George- | And that pingizauru :))))) |
| 20:06:50 | mdz | then it would be exactly Debian, without this ridiculous cramfs stuff |
| 20:06:54 | NetAmp | Pingizauruuuu! |
| 20:06:56 | NetAmp | :D |
| 20:07:07 | George- | NetAmp: lol |
| 20:07:21 | George- | mdz: You don't like cramfs? |
| 20:07:22 | NetAmp | Pingizauru kicks ass :P |
| 20:07:23 | George- | mdz: hehe |
| 20:07:30 | George- | NetAmp: Pingizauru has a BIG ass |
| 20:07:34 | NetAmp | wahahah |
| 20:07:39 | mdz | mdz: I don't like cramfs for the same reason you don't like cramfs. read-only. |
| 20:07:44 | mdz | er, s/mdz:/George-:/ |
| 20:07:46 | George- | LOL |
| 20:07:56 | NetAmp | he rulez 24/7, can easily beat Godzilla at his own game |
| 20:08:00 | George- | mdz: yes, ro is a bit, well, annoying |
| 20:08:11 | NetAmp | though... |
| 20:08:15 | George- | NetAmp: I have a funny feeling that Godzilla would eat his ass |
| 20:08:24 | NetAmp | Kwacky is way cool too |
| 20:08:32 | George- | mdz: Is the pcmcia script dependant on any other scripts? |
| 20:08:32 | NetAmp | TheKompany's mascot |
| 20:08:38 | George- | mdz: Can I shove it in as 01? :) |
| 20:09:00 | George- | I've never understood the linux boot process |
| 20:09:05 | George- | what determines the number? |
| 20:09:11 | NetAmp | They should use it in tkcOffice instead of a stuuuupid paperclip (like M$) |
| 20:09:16 | NetAmp | heh ;) |
| 20:09:23 | George- | NetAmp: tkcOffice? |
| 20:09:31 | George- | NetAmp: All office assistants SUCK |
| 20:09:36 | George- | NetAmp: Except for me :) |
| 20:09:38 | NetAmp | err... that's non-existing I believe |
| 20:09:41 | George- | lol |
| 20:09:42 | NetAmp | George-: hah |
| 20:09:46 | George- | isn't an office assistant |
| 20:10:17 | George- | ok |
| 20:10:23 | mdz | George-: I don't think that it requires anything else |
| 20:10:43 | George- | mdz: great, I'll rename S20pcmcia -> S05pcmcia and shove it in rcS then? :) |
| 20:10:48 | mdz | George-: the only gotcha is that if you modify the pcmcia config for any reason, your changes won't be available that early in the boot process, because it won't be mounted yet |
| 20:10:52 | George- | mdz: Is that legal (I'm no init.d expert) |
| 20:11:06 | George- | mdz: hmm? |
| 20:11:13 | mdz | George-: sure, try it |
| 20:11:19 | George- | mdz: great |
| 20:11:26 | George- | mdz: What do you mean by modifying pcmcia? |
| 20:11:41 | mdz | George-: /etc/pcmcia stuff |
| 20:11:43 | George- | man, this is so much easier than Intimate :) |
| 20:11:53 | George- | have you seen the intimate boot script? |
| 20:11:55 | George- | It's hell |
| 20:11:56 | mdz | George-: you shouldn't need to change it for the CF to work on the zaurus, though. it works fine for me |
| 20:12:07 | George- | mdz: hmm, ok |
| 20:12:09 | mdz | George-: no, I haven't. intimate is the iPAQ distribution, right? |
| 20:12:15 | George- | mdz: I'll be making a jffs2 image anyway |
| 20:12:20 | George- | mdz: yes, iPaq debian |
| 20:12:38 | treke|home | initimate is a distribution of running off of a microdrive/large storage device |
| 20:12:46 | mdz | George-: I would have given the OZ kernel a try by now, but I had a couple of questions that nobody could answer at the time |
| 20:12:48 | George- | treke|home: yes |
| 20:13:12 | George- | mdz: such as? |
| 20:13:15 | mdz | George-: what is bootflag.txt used for in OZ? |
| 20:13:23 | George- | mdz: nothing |
| 20:13:28 | mdz | George-: and do I have to care about it in my initrd, or is it only used by the kernel? |
| 20:13:35 | George- | mdz: It sets the init.d runlevel |
| 20:13:39 | mdz | George-: well, ok then :-) |
| 20:13:50 | George- | mdz: so RLV[whatever] would set init.d runlevel default to whateve |
| 20:14:12 | mdz | George-: the other issue is that jffs2 gets shitty compression compared to cramfs...it will be tough to fit the base system in flash with jffs2 |
| 20:14:19 | George- | mdz: and if it contains a sequence of random crappy characters (like OZ30 used in OpenZaurus), it lets init.d decide for itself |
| 20:14:41 | George- | mdz: That's why you should come over to the Dark Side |
| 20:14:53 | George- | lol |
| 20:14:55 | mdz | George-: which side is Dark? |
| 20:14:59 | George- | I dunno |
| 20:15:06 | George- | I just felt like saying that |
| 20:15:21 | mdz | George-: will the OZ kernel get mad if there is no bootflag.txt at all? is it read by the kernel or userland? |
| 20:15:26 | George- | mdz: nope |
| 20:15:33 | George- | mdz: It's only read by the angelboot bootloader |
| 20:15:37 | George- | mdz: (which sucks, anyhow) |
| 20:15:52 | mdz | George-: great. I guess I'll work on jffs2 now :-) |
| 20:16:05 | George- | mdz: but angelboot will go mental apparently if you don't have bootflag.txt =P |
| 20:16:23 | George- | mdz: so just give it some random chars, such as "USUK" |
| 20:16:25 | George- | lol |
| 20:16:26 | mdz | George-: I think I'll have to remove some stuff from the image to get it to fit, though. Currently, it has a working X environment |
| 20:16:36 | George- | I know :) |
| 20:16:42 | George- | That's the appeal |
| 20:17:06 | mdz | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13230080 2002-07-28 11:30 initrd.cramfs |
| 20:17:06 | mdz | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16240032 2002-07-28 11:30 initrd.jffs2 |
| 20:17:07 | George- | perhaps |
| 20:17:12 | George- | mdz: what? |
| 20:17:13 | mdz | that's the same data on cramfs and jffs2 |
| 20:17:17 | George- | ouch |
| 20:17:24 | George- | that'd never fit |
| 20:17:31 | NetAmp | gotta go, l8r! |
| 20:17:46 | George- | mdz: Does SD work in Debian? |
| 20:17:50 | George- | mdz: and IrDA? |
| 20:17:55 | George- | mdz: and sync? |
| 20:17:59 | George- | actually |
| 20:18:02 | George- | sync sucks anyhow |
| 20:18:06 | mdz | George-: SD works fine, I use the stock sharp driver of course |
| 20:18:16 | George- | of course |
| 20:18:29 | mdz | George-: IrDA I haven't touched; I don't know how it works with the Z. If it uses standard devices and such, i don't see why not. there's no software for it on the intrd though |
| 20:18:39 | mdz | George-: I have NO idea about sync. But scp and netcat work great :-) |
| 20:18:55 | George- | mdz: lol, ok |
| 20:19:02 | George- | mdz: is the USB networking there? =P |
| 20:19:17 | George- | mdz: Until I get myself a wireless network CF card, I'm pretty well stuffed, hehe |
| 20:19:36 | mdz | so I need to get from 16240032 bytes down to 14811135 bytes somehow |
| 20:19:41 | George- | hmm |
| 20:19:49 | George- | take out X, and make a dpkg for it? |
| 20:19:57 | mdz | George-: yeah, hotplug is in the base system. I use USB networking to do all my stuff, it's all I have |
| 20:20:06 | George- | ahh, great |
| 20:20:07 | George- | ok |
| 20:20:18 | mdz | George-: it is already installed as a deb...but it sucks to have to add on packages just to get a basic PDA environment |
| 20:20:33 | George- | uhm |
| 20:20:38 | George- | where's the .deb file? ;) |
| 20:20:45 | George- | actually, screw that |
| 20:20:50 | George- | I'm gonna shove this on my Z |
| 20:21:01 | mdz | -rw-r--r-- 1 mdz mdz 354820 2002-07-27 11:06 xserver-tinyx-fbdev_4.1.0-1_arm.deb |
| 20:21:10 | George- | mdz: ok |
| 20:21:15 | mdz | Installed-Size: 753 |
| 20:21:21 | George- | mdz: And matchbox etc are extra packages, right? |
| 20:21:25 | George- | uhm |
| 20:21:29 | mdz | George-: right. though matchbox is on the initrd |
| 20:21:31 | George- | Why do I have a feeling of Deja-Vu? |
| 20:21:39 | George- | mdz: k |
| 20:22:23 | mdz | it's the matchbox in woody, though. The version in testing is apparently way better, so I'll be updating it |
| 20:22:31 | George- | cool |
| 20:22:35 | George- | does it have GPE? |
| 20:23:09 | mdz | George-: it will, as soon as phil b. gets around to packaging it :-) |
| 20:23:18 | mdz | George-: the GPE stuff is very small, shouldn't be a problem |
| 20:23:20 | George- | mdz: cool |
| 20:23:25 | George- | mdz: GPE looks pretty cool |
| 20:23:36 | George- | mdz: But I'd prefer Qtopia, I must admit I hate GTK |
| 20:24:19 | mdz | George-: will opie and qtopia run with regular Qt under X as well? or only on the framebuffer? |
| 20:24:38 | George- | mdz: They prolly could run with the Qt under X |
| 20:24:42 | oGMo | i wonder if you could run xfbcon or whatever |
| 20:24:42 | mdz | George-: I was planning to use opie for this project, but opie's build process sent me running the other way |
| 20:24:48 | George- | mdz: But they'd need to be compiled for Qt/X11 |
| 20:24:54 | oGMo | or if that's how it's done anyway |
| 20:25:13 | George- | mdz: shouldn't be too difficult |
| 20:25:25 | George- | mdz: It just needs to be linked against library -lqt instead of -lqte |
| 20:25:33 | mdz | George-: compiling is no problem |
| 20:25:39 | prpplague | heads home to work on x |
| 20:25:41 | mdz | that's what autobuilders are for |
| 20:25:45 | George- | mdz: hehe |
| 20:26:52 | George- | man, I need to get used to the fact that woody is now stable, and that testing is something else |
| 20:27:02 | George- | Is this Debian Woody? |
| 20:27:05 | mdz | George-: it's a damn miracle |
| 20:27:11 | George- | mdz: what is? |
| 20:27:19 | mdz | George-: yes, the initrd is all stock woody, except for xserver-tinyx and the debian-zaurus stuff |
| 20:27:26 | mdz | George-: woody actually getting released |
| 20:27:34 | George- | oh right |
| 20:27:46 | George- | mdz: Are there any other places where mtdblock1 is accessed directly? |
| 20:28:02 | mdz | George-: that should be it, just that one script |
| 20:28:05 | George- | ok |
| 20:28:10 | George- | *crosses fingers* |
| 20:28:27 | George- | ok |
| 20:28:28 | George- | whoops |
| 20:28:30 | mdz | George-: if you like, you can send me your modified script and I'll look it over before you flash it |
| 20:28:41 | mdz | George-: I have accumulated a lot of experience with breaking the boot process this way :-) |
| 20:28:45 | George- | I need to put S20pcmcia in the right place |
| 20:29:12 | George- | mdz: I only changed occurences of mtdblock1 into hda1 :) |
| 20:29:13 | George- | er.. |
| 20:29:14 | George- | hda2 |
| 20:29:41 | mdz | George-: it's so crazy, it just might work |
| 20:30:47 | George- | mdz: OK, I've gone and put S05pcmcia into /etc/rcS.d |
| 20:31:06 | George- | mdz: And removed occurences of S20pcmcia from rc3.d and rc4.d and rc5.d |
| 20:31:09 | George- | mdz: is that OK? |
| 20:31:29 | mdz | George-: theoretically. |
| 20:31:36 | George- | mdz: ok |
| 20:31:42 | George- | mdz: and.... |
| 20:31:42 | mdz | the only possible problem I could think of is that it's running before S20modutils |
| 20:31:51 | George- | mdz: what are all these *~ files all over the place? |
| 20:31:53 | mdz | but since the modules.dep is already built, I think it will work |
| 20:32:01 | mdz | George-: heh, those are my editor backups presumably |
| 20:32:02 | George- | mdz: Assuming you've modified files, and not deleted the trash? :) |
| 20:32:19 | mdz | George-: yeah, I should add that to the initrd build script to clean them out. maybe save a couple of K |
| 20:32:27 | George- | mdz: yes |
| 20:32:33 | arrrg | what files does the terminal use to login? |
| 20:32:38 | arrrg | apparently it doesn't use .profile |
| 20:32:41 | George- | find | grep ~ | rm |
| 20:32:42 | George- | lol |
| 20:32:50 | George- | arrrg: I haven't a clue |
| 20:33:02 | mdz | find /tmp/initrd -name '*~' -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f |
| 20:33:15 | arrrg | maybe I should get a rom update |
| 20:33:19 | arrrg | :-p |
| 20:33:21 | George- | mdz: if that screws up my base system, I'll be calling =P |
| 20:33:26 | arrrg | then maybe worry about stuff like this |
| 20:33:30 | arrrg | cuz it's probably all different |
| 20:33:50 | George- | omfg, it actually worked |
| 20:33:51 | oGMo | hmm, i feel like writing something |
| 20:33:53 | George- | :) |
| 20:34:11 | George- | mdz: hmm, can I remove /home/mdz? =P |
| 20:34:18 | mdz | George-: I guess that's a tribute to the robustness of my scripts. or something. |
| 20:34:18 | oGMo | i HATE coming up with file formats though |
| 20:34:26 | mdz | George-: feel free. it's small |
| 20:34:29 | arrrg | is there a way to get white text with black background in terminal?> |
| 20:34:50 | oGMo | use a different terminal? |
| 20:34:56 | George- | arrrg: what terminal? |
| 20:35:02 | arrrg | different terminal? |
| 20:35:08 | oGMo | terminal? |
| 20:35:10 | oGMo | ;) |
| 20:35:13 | mdz | I assume the qtopia terminal, which is embeddedkonsole |
| 20:35:14 | George- | mdz: mdz:7ZaNTlmy0wxcw:500:500::/home/mdz:/bin/bash |
| 20:35:18 | George- | mdz: I can't believe you |
| 20:35:20 | George- | mdz: lol |
| 20:35:24 | arrrg | embeddedkonsole |
| 20:35:25 | George- | cracks that password |
| 20:35:27 | arrrg | is there another one? |
| 20:35:34 | mdz | George-: cut me some slack. the initrd is currently created directly from my working tree where I try stuff out |
| 20:35:45 | George- | mdz: heh, ok |
| 20:35:48 | mdz | George-: this way, I don't have to modify ssh to allow root logins to test it |
| 20:35:57 | oGMo | ok, hrm, is it possible to add aribtary stuff to .desktop files? |
| 20:39:35 | arrrg | so I can't chnge the color? |
| 20:40:26 | oGMo | arrrg: on the term that comes with opie you can, but the simple term i got you can't |
| 20:40:45 | oGMo | or at least not without some hackery i don't know about |
| 20:42:17 | arrrg | oGMo: ok thanks |
| 20:47:27 | ljp | *sigh* |
| 20:47:41 | ljp | its frickin raining! |
| 20:47:56 | oGMo | in the middle of summer? how dare it! |
| 20:48:03 | BigBoss | it's 80 and sunny here in southern california :) |
| 20:48:09 | BigBoss | air conditioning just kickedon |
| 20:48:15 | oGMo | fired :) |
| 20:48:18 | ljp | dude... first rain in 3 months |
| 20:48:23 | oGMo | it's all overcast up here in seattle ;/ |
| 20:48:38 | George- | Damn computer locked hard |
| 20:48:46 | ljp | heh well. seattle is always like that |
| 20:48:52 | oGMo | kinda |
| 20:48:56 | ljp | kinda? |
| 20:48:59 | ljp | ha |
| 20:49:28 | ljp | theres a rainforest up there for a reason :) |
| 20:49:35 | oGMo | no there's not :) |
| 20:49:47 | ljp | yep. .been there. seen it |
| 20:50:07 | oGMo | really? it's usually more overcast here than actually raining |
| 20:50:21 | ljp | olympic is a rainforest |
| 20:50:37 | oGMo | and when it gets sunny it's beatiful, it's just when you're at the beginning of august and it's like upper 60's it sucks ;) |
| 20:50:43 | oGMo | ljp: oh |
| 20:51:14 | ljp | upper's 60's oohhh. .that must be AC weather for seattle! |
| 20:51:26 | oGMo | ljp: some people up here maybe ;) |
| 20:51:37 | oGMo | i come from arizona... 110 is AC weather |
| 20:51:38 | ljp | the pruney skins |
| 20:52:00 | oGMo | 80's are mild and 90's are warm |
| 20:52:06 | sumeet_p | can't build target 'openzaurus', fails with complaints about crc32.c |
| 20:52:18 | sumeet_p | is in crisis now |
| 20:52:34 | oGMo | sumeet_p: what does it complain? |
| 20:52:43 | George- | Can the CF updater handle multi-partition CF cards? |
| 20:52:46 | ljp | why are you trying to build oz? |
| 20:52:48 | treke|home | sumeet_p: thats part of the kernel I think |
| 20:52:54 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 22 hours, 58 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: see you later folks [Fri Aug 2 22:54:36 2002] |
| 20:52:54 | darienm | ibot seen warmi |
| 20:52:59 | | erikd was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 50 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: haha [Sat Aug 3 15:02:25 2002] |
| 20:52:59 | darienm | ibot seen erikd |
| 20:52:59 | sumeet_p | oGMo: there are a bunch of errors like "crc32.h:8: parse error before `crc32_table'" |
| 20:53:05 | George- | I have hda1 as vfat, 20MB, hda2 as ext2, 140MB |
| 20:53:13 | oGMo | sumeet_p: oh, got me then... what's wrong with the binary dist? |
| 20:53:35 | sumeet_p | oGMo: nothing, I just like to build stuff from scratch |
| 20:53:51 | oGMo | George-: you could try. The worst that could happen is it melts and corrodes your Zaurus, poisons you and creates a biohazard... but that's unlikely, right? |
| 20:54:15 | George- | oGMo: uhm, no it happened to my friend earlier today |
| 20:54:32 | George- | oGMo: He turned on his Jornada, and it created a nuclear explosion |
| 20:54:32 | oGMo | George-: whenever the updater has had an issue with something i threw at it, it just didn't do anything |
| 20:54:35 | sumeet_p | do I need to run some sort of 'make menuconfig' on the kernel, it downloaded the kernel source, BTW |
| 20:54:43 | oGMo | George-: damn those CE devices, i knew they were trouble. |
| 20:54:59 | sumeet_p | oGMo: http://www.t-mobile.com |
| 20:55:04 | George- | oGMo: looks ok |
| 20:55:10 | George- | oGMo: Yeh, they make you Wince |
| 20:55:17 | George- | (excuse the really bad pun) |
| 20:56:12 | oGMo | sumeet_p: what about t-mobile? |
| 20:56:19 | oGMo | George-: heh |
| 20:57:12 | sumeet_p | oGMo: Wince phone/pda from Verizon w/ GPRS |
| 20:57:26 | oGMo | sumeet_p: ah |
| 20:57:31 | oGMo | sumeet_p: you're trying to build for that? |
| 20:57:45 | oGMo | good luck |
| 20:57:50 | sumeet_p | oGMo: no no, just some link, that's all |
| 20:57:58 | sumeet_p | oGMo: building for SL5500 |
| 20:58:01 | oGMo | sumeet_p: ah |
| 20:58:09 | sig | ok, I'm now bored |
| 20:58:12 | sumeet_p | phew! |
| 20:58:51 | George- | argh |
| 20:59:01 | George- | beats his zaurus with a sledgehammer |
| 20:59:01 | sumeet_p | anybody wants to share his/her .config! |
| 20:59:11 | George- | YOU STUPID PIECE OF ELECTRICAL SHIT! |
| 20:59:17 | George- | jumps on it |
| 20:59:35 | darienm | problems, george? |
| 20:59:36 | sumeet_p | hands George- his sledgehammer |
| 21:00:03 | ljp | wow.. its been raining 10 minutes!! woot! monsoon!!! |
| 21:00:08 | darienm | shows George- and sumeet_p how to balance a sledgehammer on his chin. |
| 21:00:17 | George- | darienm: yes |
| 21:00:22 | George- | darienm: debian won't boot |
| 21:00:31 | oGMo | ljp, better evacuate, it's gonna be a flood for sure |
| 21:00:31 | George- | mdz: ping |
| 21:00:33 | darienm | bleh |
| 21:00:44 | sumeet_p | George-: you are trying to run ARM/debian? |
| 21:00:50 | George- | sumeet_p: of course |
| 21:00:55 | George- | sumeet_p: The problem is |
| 21:00:58 | ljp | ohh. it stopped |
| 21:00:58 | sumeet_p | George- cool! |
| 21:01:03 | George- | the stupid fucker won't recognise CF |
| 21:01:17 | sumeet_p | George-: pcmcia ? |
| 21:01:20 | George- | even after *nicely* telling it to RUN /etc/init.d/pcmcia |
| 21:01:24 | George- | GRR |
| 21:01:27 | George- | beats it a bit more |
| 21:01:39 | sumeet_p | George-: cardctl ident? |
| 21:01:46 | oGMo | ok |
| 21:01:52 | oGMo | so what does everyone use for a mail client |
| 21:02:14 | oGMo | in linux ;) |
| 21:02:24 | sumeet_p | do I have to enable 'initrd' support in the kernel config? (seems like I have to) |
| 21:02:24 | George- | sumeet_p: what? |
| 21:02:45 | sumeet_p | George-: does 'cardctl ident' get an answer from the card |
| 21:03:07 | George- | open_sock() read only filesystem |
| 21:03:12 | George- | THIS STUPID PIECE OF *$&%(*)£$&%*£($&%(*£$&%(£*$&%*("$£&%"$&%*("£%&_*$&%_" |
| 21:03:20 | ljp | I use kmail, and sometime evolution |
| 21:03:30 | George- | oGMo: I use KMail |
| 21:03:31 | ljp | and sometimes pine |
| 21:03:50 | sumeet_p | uses KMail |
| 21:03:54 | oGMo | damn. |
| 21:04:00 | George- | where did mdz go? |
| 21:04:29 | oGMo | i can't find kde 3.x rpm's for redhat 7.2, only 7.3 |
| 21:04:36 | ljp | pine via ssh that is |
| 21:05:11 | sumeet_p | oGMo: that's why I dislike those distros, I liked Debian and now Gentoo |
| 21:05:17 | oGMo | sumeet_p: meh |
| 21:05:22 | George- | wonders what to do about his stupid Z |
| 21:05:25 | oGMo | well, i compiled it with gcc3, and it wouldn't work |
| 21:05:33 | oGMo | i compiled with gcc 2.x, and it wouldn't compile ;) |
| 21:05:50 | sumeet_p | has lot of respect for oGMo, suddenly |
| 21:06:24 | ljp | George-: just install openzaurus and be done with it :D |
| 21:06:37 | George- | ljp: I'm wondering, not desperate |
| 21:06:51 | ljp | why do you want debian on your z? |
| 21:06:58 | George- | ljp: Cos I do |
| 21:07:02 | oGMo | sumeet_p: hey, i compiled gcc3 so i could compile kde3 and qt3 with it, but i'm not gonna futz around with their broken code, i did enough of that just to make it compile the first time |
| 21:07:06 | George- | lol |
| 21:07:15 | ljp | uhhh well,, that doesnt answer the question |
| 21:07:23 | George- | ljp: I thought people were allowed to have their own choise? |
| 21:07:28 | sumeet_p | oGMo: I know, gcc3 is a wild wild beast |
| 21:07:31 | George- | choice, sorru |
| 21:07:34 | George- | argh |
| 21:07:35 | ljp | sure.. I'm just trying to understand why |
| 21:07:43 | oGMo | sumeet_p: i'm not sure it's gcc's fault, really ;) |
| 21:07:52 | ljp | if its because of apt-get? |
| 21:08:27 | ljp | because apart from apt-get.. familiar is based on debian |
| 21:08:31 | noda | gcc never screws up for me... |
| 21:09:33 | ljp | intimate is also debian based |
| 21:11:36 | sumeet_p | George- are you using Emdebian? |
| 21:16:38 | George- | mdz: ping |
| 21:17:55 | ljp | george, have you looked at intimate? |
| 21:21:19 | oGMo | oOoOo |
| 21:21:24 | oGMo | sylpheed might be what i'm looking for |
| 21:21:26 | oGMo | hmm |
| 21:21:53 | sumeet_p | oGMo: sylpheed is fast some problems with HTML though |
| 21:22:20 | oGMo | sumeet_p: HTML is not for mail ;) |
| 21:22:23 | sumeet_p | George-: where did you get Debian/ARM distro? |
| 21:22:37 | oGMo | if i get html mail i generally delete it |
| 21:22:55 | sumeet_p | oGMo: yes, but I like to see an HTML page in the message window, when I do get one |
| 21:23:09 | | ibot pours prpplague a pint of dark creamy guinness stout |
| 21:23:09 | prpplague | ibot: need guinness |
| 21:23:23 | | :) |
| 21:23:23 | prpplague | ibot: botsnack |
| 21:23:36 | oGMo | sumeet_p: ah |
| 21:24:03 | Cam__ | is there a web service where you can compile java sources? It would be cool to be able to develop Java on the Z wirelessly |
| 21:24:21 | sumeet_p | Cam__: whoa whoa whoa |
| 21:24:29 | | oGMo: excuse me? |
| 21:24:29 | oGMo | ibot: need flaming death |
| 21:24:50 | Cam__ | sumeet_p cos there isn't a compiler for the Z, is there? |
| 21:25:03 | | Yay for smack ramen! |
| 21:25:03 | oGMo | ibot: botsmack |
| 21:25:20 | oGMo | figures, heh |
| 21:25:28 | sumeet_p | Cam__: assuming you don't want to compile on the fly, why do you need to develop on the Z? |
| 21:26:32 | Cam__ | I don't need to - I'd just like to. |
| 21:26:46 | George- | sumeet_p: mdz's pages |
| 21:26:52 | George- | sumeet_p: It don't work too well, though |
| 21:26:57 | George- | sumeet_p: I'm "improving" it |
| 21:27:08 | sumeet_p | Cam__ hmm, try Kaffe |
| 21:27:30 | sumeet_p | George-: link? I'm looking at http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/index |
| 21:27:38 | Cam__ | sumeet_p... I don't want the compiler on the Z necessarily |
| 21:27:48 | George- | sumeet_p: Can't remember |
| 21:27:52 | | debian is a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) or very cool or the best thing since sliced macaroni and cheese |
| 21:27:52 | George- | ibot debian? |
| 21:27:58 | | wish i knew, george- |
| 21:27:58 | George- | ibot debian zaurus? |
| 21:28:03 | | George-: huh? |
| 21:28:03 | George- | ibot zaurus debian |
| 21:28:05 | sumeet_p | Cam__: hmm I though that was your reason to do that web service |
| 21:28:05 | | George-: sorry... |
| 21:28:05 | George- | ibot mdz |
| 21:28:08 | George- | grrr |
| 21:28:19 | ljp | George-: have you looked at intimate? |
| 21:28:26 | Cam__ | sumeet_p I have better things to store on the CF and in the RAM |
| 21:28:44 | | You want http://intimate.handhelds.org |
| 21:28:44 | ljp | ibot: intimate |
| 21:30:16 | George- | ljp: of course |
| 21:30:22 | George- | ljp: I also tried to port it |
| 21:30:27 | George- | ljp: and failed miserably |
| 21:30:46 | ljp | port? it runs on arm |
| 21:31:11 | George- | yes |
| 21:31:14 | George- | but not on Zaurus |
| 21:31:18 | George- | It depends on Familiar |
| 21:31:28 | George- | and it's tailor made for iPaq |
| 21:31:32 | George- | can't run on anything else |
| 21:31:41 | ljp | so the devices and a few init are different |
| 21:31:44 | sumeet_p | George-: do you have to patch the kernel for the Z? |
| 21:32:17 | George- | sumeet_p: yes |
| 21:32:22 | George- | ljp: Look at the boot scripts |
| 21:32:25 | George- | ljp: They're a mess |
| 21:32:27 | sumeet_p | George-: embedix? |
| 21:32:30 | George- | ljp: That's the big problem |
| 21:32:32 | George- | sumeet_p: yes |
| 21:32:39 | prpplague | George-: embedix=lineo |
| 21:32:42 | George- | ljp: I can't make head or tail of them =P |
| 21:32:48 | | BZFlag is TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions. |
| 21:32:48 | prpplague | ibot: BZFlag |
| 21:32:49 | George- | prpplague: huh? |
| 21:33:36 | prpplague | George-: oops that was for sumeet_p |
| 21:33:43 | George- | prpplague: heh, ok |
| 21:33:47 | George- | heya kergoth |
| 21:33:56 | sumeet_p | prpplague: thanks |
| 21:34:04 | George- | kergoth: I've hit another hurdle in my quest for glory in debian |
| 21:34:05 | sumeet_p | is hungry |
| 21:34:20 | kergoth | re |
| 21:34:22 | kergoth | George-: heh. whats that? |
| 21:34:25 | prpplague | kergoth: evening |
| 21:34:28 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 21:34:35 | George- | kergoth: The damn PCMCIA stuff won't load unless it's a rw fs, and the debian stuff is too big for jffs2, so it's gotta be cramfs, which is ro |
| 21:34:41 | George- | kergoth: *soooo* tiring |
| 21:34:48 | prpplague | kergoth: success, not one call from honduras or jamaica today |
| 21:34:56 | kergoth | George-: "too big for jffs2"? |
| 21:35:01 | George- | kergoth: yes |
| 21:35:04 | kergoth | prpplague: hah, nice |
| 21:35:06 | kergoth | George-: how so? |
| 21:35:13 | George- | kergoth: jffs2 has a worse compression algorithm than cramfs |
| 21:35:30 | George- | kergoth: so jffs2 won't do, unless we (mdz, and me) strip out loads of crap from the debian thing |
| 21:36:00 | noda | kergoth: Oh, hello! I got a CF reader today -- did a diff of initrd.bin on the CF card and the original, and they were NOT identical. |
| 21:36:05 | George- | kergoth: either that, or *gasp* i've gotta create a tarball for the root filesys on cf, and an initrd to kick start into that |
| 21:36:12 | George- | kergoth: just like how intimate works |
| 21:36:16 | noda | kergoth: now with my new toy the CF reader, I can write the proper image and boot :) |
| 21:36:56 | George- | hmm |
| 21:37:03 | George- | Look in the backlogs for the past 20 comments |
| 21:37:10 | George- | all have been directed at kergoth |
| 21:37:10 | George- | LOL |
| 21:37:19 | noda | WOOOOO! OpenZaurus is working! :) |
| 21:37:27 | sumeet_p | I'm going to eat something |
| 21:37:27 | George- | noda: What a surprise |
| 21:37:27 | noda | touches the crosshairs with glee... |
| 21:37:28 | George- | =P |
| 21:37:37 | kergoth | noda: congrats |
| 21:37:39 | kergoth | George-: fun |
| 21:37:40 | George- | woo, Debian is sorta working |
| 21:37:43 | George- | =P |
| 21:37:48 | George- | I get kicked into a bash shell :) |
| 21:37:53 | George- | fun |
| 21:38:01 | noda | kergoth: Thanks yet again for all your help :) |
| 21:38:21 | noda | Oh, this is much prettier than qtopia :) |
| 21:38:26 | kergoth | looks forward to the day george sees how bad KDE really is on a PDA and says "Ah screw it, I'm installing OZ." |
| 21:38:27 | kergoth | :-P |
| 21:38:35 | kergoth | noda: i love the background image myself ;-) |
| 21:39:15 | noda | Is that thing a zaurus or something? The little pengiun-y lizard with the fire... |
| 21:39:30 | George- | kergoth: oiy, there's NO WAY I'm doing that |
| 21:39:32 | George- | kergoth: lol |
| 21:39:41 | George- | kergoth: KDE development on the move!!! |
| 21:39:51 | noda | lol |
| 21:40:04 | George- | man, with debian |
| 21:40:04 | noda | Opie moving towards kde-ness is much more logical than kde moving to opie-ness :) |
| 21:40:12 | George- | I can install SOO much stuff |
| 21:40:15 | George- | like kick-ass gcc stuff |
| 21:40:18 | George- | =P |
| 21:40:22 | kergoth | George-: eh, you can do that now |
| 21:40:33 | George- | kergoth: no, real gcc stuff, not zgcc =P |
| 21:40:40 | kergoth | George-: so start a gcc build |
| 21:40:43 | George- | lol |
| 21:40:47 | George- | Don't be stupid |
| 21:40:52 | kergoth | George-: or download the arm debian packages and extract them |
| 21:40:52 | George- | I'm not that insane... |
| 21:40:56 | George- | hmm |
| 21:40:58 | kergoth | George-: which would take about 10 mins, flat |
| 21:41:00 | George- | I want debian :) |
| 21:41:00 | kergoth | if that |
| 21:41:03 | kergoth | pfft |
| 21:41:19 | George- | slaps kergoth around a bit with the debian spiral thingy |
| 21:41:24 | ljp | would vomit if opie got kde-ish |
| 21:41:25 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:41:37 | George- | ljp: Why? |
| 21:41:39 | kergoth | ljp: dont get me started on kde politics |
| 21:41:41 | kergoth | hates politics |
| 21:41:48 | George- | kergoth: You are anti KDE? |
| 21:41:50 | George- | argh! |
| 21:41:50 | sumeet_p | hmm, there are two zImage-40-24 images - which one? |
| 21:41:55 | George- | runs away... far away |
| 21:41:56 | kergoth | George-: i love kde, i use it now |
| 21:42:01 | kergoth | George-: i said i hate kde POLITICS |
| 21:42:02 | George- | kergoth: good |
| 21:42:06 | kergoth | George-: the fucking drama between the fucking developers |
| 21:42:08 | sumeet_p | warms up hyper space jump |
| 21:42:13 | George- | kergoth: As a KDE developer, I say "GNOME SUCKS!" |
| 21:42:20 | kergoth | sumeet_p: take your pick. they point to the same file anyway :-) |
| 21:42:27 | George- | I think GTK is the ugliest damn toolkit ever to hit earth |
| 21:42:29 | noda | But GNOME does NOT suck. Nor does KDE. They have different goals. |
| 21:42:45 | ljp | I agree with noda |
| 21:42:49 | George- | noda: Yes, but I'm a KDE developer, so I have my own views =P |
| 21:42:53 | noda | GTK is most certainly not ugly. That's like saying QT is ugly. Which is idiotic -- there are no graphics associated with QT or GTK. |
| 21:42:54 | George- | lol |
| 21:43:01 | prpplague | ohhh crude, "can't we call just get along???" |
| 21:43:05 | Cam__ | KDE is more... consumer than GNOME |
| 21:43:06 | George- | prpplague: nope =P |
| 21:43:13 | George- | KDE is like FreeBSD |
| 21:43:17 | George- | GNOME is like Windows |
| 21:43:20 | George- | mwahahahaha |
| 21:43:20 | ljp | is anti windowmanagerism |
| 21:43:27 | George- | </holy war> |
| 21:43:42 | noda | ljp: Do you use blackbox? :) |
| 21:43:43 | Cam__ | they're all too damn slow |
| 21:43:58 | George- | Cam__: GNOME isn't slow... |
| 21:44:01 | ljp | I use fluxbox alot, but also kde and gnome, and windowmaker |
| 21:44:11 | George- | Cam__: It may be crap, and awful, and shit, but it ain't slow :) |
| 21:44:17 | prpplague | ljp: i was reading about fluxbox the other night |
| 21:44:23 | George- | ljp: I heard many great things about FluxBox |
| 21:44:28 | George- | ljp: What's it like? |
| 21:44:29 | Cam__ | George- are you going to give me a faster machine cos I tell you - it's slow |
| 21:44:32 | noda | uses blackbox |
| 21:44:33 | ljp | its a sinoff of blackbox |
| 21:44:37 | George- | Cam__: GNOME? |
| 21:44:47 | George- | ljp: It's tab based, iirc, right? |
| 21:44:49 | ljp | George-: its fast |
| 21:44:58 | noda | KDE is a lot faster than it used to be, I find. But nowhere near as fast as blackox/fluxbox :) |
| 21:45:02 | ljp | well.. umm its got a 'tab' on a window |
| 21:45:04 | Cam__ | maybe I should upgrade my Pentium 75MHz server :P |
| 21:45:18 | George- | noda: That's because of threads, apparently |
| 21:45:20 | noda | Who needs graphics on a server? P75 is fine :) |
| 21:45:20 | sumeet_p | noda: fluxbox is not nearly as cool |
| 21:45:26 | kergoth | is using kde, waiting for e17 to be usable |
| 21:45:27 | George- | noda: It's all the improvements in Qt3 |
| 21:45:37 | noda | Ah, threads - that'd explain it :) |
| 21:45:43 | ljp | hehehehe e,,... thats funny |
| 21:45:45 | George- | hmm |
| 21:45:47 | kergoth | speaking of kde, man that kio-fish is sweet. |
| 21:45:49 | George- | Actually.... |
| 21:45:56 | George- | kergoth: lol, hell yeh |
| 21:46:07 | prpplague | ljp: how easy is fluxbox to configure? |
| 21:46:08 | noda | Heh. KDE is "cool", but blackbox/fluxbox WORK. Always. No crashes. And they're faster and get you to what you want faster. |
| 21:46:14 | George- | noda: Perhaps they should port Qtopia/Opie over to Qt/E 3, then compile with threads... |
| 21:46:19 | George- | noda: Would that make it faster? :) |
| 21:46:30 | noda | has no clue |
| 21:46:35 | George- | noda: I've never had KDE crash on me |
| 21:46:42 | George- | noda: Only the apps, not actual KDE |
| 21:46:44 | noda | prpplague: Damned easy, it's all in the "start menu" :) |
| 21:46:55 | noda | I've had it crash on me. Many times. |
| 21:46:57 | Cam__ | my Konq keeps crashing |
| 21:46:59 | George- | Would fluxbox be good on the Z? |
| 21:47:01 | kergoth | George-: same here.. ive watched konq segfault repeatedly, and other apps die, but kde has been stable |
| 21:47:01 | sumeet_p | has the bast out of box experience with KDE |
| 21:47:07 | George- | ie - does it require a lot of screen space? |
| 21:47:20 | George- | kergoth: Of course, there is the exception to that rule :) |
| 21:47:29 | noda | George-: It requires very little. |
| 21:47:32 | George- | kergoth: When running on bleeding edge KDE, god knows what happens :) |
| 21:47:35 | prpplague | George-: yes i compiled it, and got it started but i was having font issue on x server side and didn't get around to finish with it |
| 21:47:45 | George- | prpplague: hmm |
| 21:47:48 | kergoth | George-: weird shit still happens on release versions.. heh |
| 21:47:56 | kergoth | prpplague: font issues with X.. bigggg surprise.. ;-) |
| 21:47:58 | George- | kergoth: lol, you don't wanna know what goes on in CVS :) |
| 21:48:10 | kergoth | George-: you're right, i dont.. which is why i dont build it daily ;-) |
| 21:48:21 | George- | They neeeeed to replace X with something a bit less... archane |
| 21:48:27 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll have you know that i have them fix now :) |
| 21:48:32 | George- | kergoth: neither do I, that would be UNECONOMICAL on 56k :) |
| 21:48:36 | sumeet_p | ugg, can't download bootflag.txt |
| 21:48:38 | George- | kergoth: I build it every 2 weeks |
| 21:48:47 | kergoth | sumeet_p: echo BLAH > bootflag.txt |
| 21:48:48 | George- | sumeet_p: Shove OZ30 in it then |
| 21:48:49 | noda | X is amazing. |
| 21:48:58 | George- | kergoth: what about "USUK"? |
| 21:49:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:49:03 | sumeet_p | George- ok, thanks |
| 21:49:13 | George- | noda: X sucks |
| 21:49:19 | Cam__ | I love X |
| 21:49:21 | noda | (and I think the word is "archaic") |
| 21:49:30 | George- | noda: X is the biggest pile of legacy junk I've ever seen |
| 21:49:32 | Cam__ | it might be arcane |
| 21:49:34 | noda | rofl |
| 21:49:38 | George- | noda: There's toooo much legacy stuff in it |
| 21:49:40 | George- | noda: seriously |
| 21:49:53 | George- | noda: hell, look as OS X's GUI system |
| 21:49:56 | Cam__ | what's your top 3 legacy things?? |
| 21:49:58 | George- | noda: That's *advanced* |
| 21:50:07 | George- | Cam__: everything |
| 21:50:08 | noda | "Legacy"? It was great stuff then and it's great now - I can run apps on someone else's computer and they pop up on my screen. I can run multiple servers on the same computer. This is stuff I use all the time. |
| 21:50:24 | George- | noda: I must admit, the tunneling over networks is cool |
| 21:50:27 | Cam__ | sounds like you can't put your finger on it... be honest, name one legacy thing? |
| 21:50:32 | noda | Even over ssh :) |
| 21:50:41 | George- | Cam__: hang on |
| 21:50:59 | kergoth | doesnt know enough about the way X works internally to complain about anything but fonts.. and so complains about fonts regularly |
| 21:50:59 | George- | Cam__: The fact that it can't handle non-rectangular windows without going mental? |
| 21:51:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:51:17 | noda | I think X is great for the desktop and instead of starting something new it should be worked on to get rid of the glitches. But for embedded devices the framebuffer is probably better. |
| 21:51:18 | ljp | is glad opie isnt x11 |
| 21:51:26 | Cam__ | There are shape extensions, no? |
| 21:51:29 | George- | ljp: hmm? |
| 21:51:36 | George- | Cam__: what? |
| 21:51:53 | noda | Erm. Rectangular windows... that's the window manager's job, no? |
| 21:51:53 | George- | Cam__: Hell, even Window's GUI system can handle non-rectangular windows |
| 21:51:57 | George- | noda: yes |
| 21:51:58 | Cam__ | Agreed about the FB for embedded - but people who bitch about X can't usually see beyond the host they are typing at |
| 21:52:04 | noda | So don't blame X :) |
| 21:52:07 | George- | noda: But X is so strange, that it's SLOW |
| 21:52:11 | George- | noda: It's X's fault =P |
| 21:52:16 | noda | laughs. |
| 21:52:25 | noda | George-: Use blackbox. Not slow any more :) |
| 21:52:29 | George- | noda: LOL |
| 21:52:42 | George- | noda: You think I'm gonna leave my sweet KDE desktop, for some blackbox? :) |
| 21:52:49 | treke|home | George-: yes |
| 21:52:50 | Cam__ | George- there are shape extensions. IMHO optimising for rectangular regions and having extensions for shapes is a good design |
| 21:53:04 | treke|home | who wouldnt leave kde for blackbox... |
| 21:53:12 | Guest | is there a bug with tckJabber where it only works with MSN? |
| 21:53:16 | George- | treke|home: Go ask that in #KDE |
| 21:53:24 | treke|home | George-: well they are all freaks |
| 21:53:24 | noda | George-: I did. I try out KDE every once in a while, but somehow I always go back to blackbox. |
| 21:53:29 | sumeet_p | heh, George- |
| 21:53:34 | George- | treke|home: wh00t? |
| 21:53:44 | George- | noda: lol |
| 21:54:09 | kergoth | i'm down to 220 new messages in my lkml mailbox |
| 21:54:11 | kergoth | woooot |
| 21:54:16 | sumeet_p | kergoth: I dump all three files to CF and that's it - don't I need to rename anything to 'ospack' |
| 21:54:20 | kergoth | sumeet_p: no |
| 21:54:31 | kergoth | sumeet_p: the Z can flash its rootfs and kernel independently. |
| 21:54:39 | kergoth | sumeet_p: rather than doing the whole flash |
| 21:55:09 | Guest | anyone using tckJabber ? |
| 21:55:18 | sumeet_p | kergoth: how does it know which image to pick up, I have a 2.37 ospack on that card as well |
| 21:55:28 | kergoth | sumeet_p: REMOVE ospack |
| 21:55:38 | sumeet_p | kergoth: I thought so. |
| 21:55:38 | kergoth | sumeet_p: I dont know what order it will choose what to use. |
| 21:55:52 | kergoth | sumeet_p: it'll grab zImage and initrd.bin, exactly that. which is why you must rename. |
| 21:56:13 | sumeet_p | kergoth: rename what (pardon my ignorance) |
| 21:56:15 | kergoth | still thinks its stupid that they call it initrd.. when its not an initrd. |
| 21:56:19 | kergoth | sumeet_p: read the README again |
| 21:56:30 | kergoth | sumeet_p: you have to rename zImage_40-24 to zImage |
| 21:56:43 | sumeet_p | uh ok, sorry, doing it now |
| 21:56:52 | kergoth | np |
| 21:57:15 | ljp | reason for gkt: gimp and gkrellm |
| 21:57:28 | ljp | err gtk even |
| 21:58:58 | Guest | does anyone from tkc frequent this channel?? |
| 21:59:09 | ljp | yes.. BigBoss is here alot |
| 21:59:34 | Guest | k am having probs with tkcJabber |
| 21:59:40 | ljp | in fact, he usually magically appears when someone mentions tkc, or theKompany |
| 21:59:52 | angry | kergoth: do the hancom apps work in OPIE? |
| 22:00:05 | Guest | he aint tonight :( |
| 22:00:16 | kergoth | angry: yes |
| 22:00:26 | angry | kergoth: k |
| 22:00:45 | kergoth | angry: though the addressbook and calander try to replace the opie versions, so you have to uninstall those first |
| 22:01:15 | ljp | or repackage them |
| 22:01:48 | prpplague | noda George- Cam__ ljp : i've said it often that software (including guis) is just a tool like a hammer or screw driver, use the right tool for the right job, what fits one place might not another and thats the beauty of opensource/linux/gnu is you have a choice tools |
| 22:02:16 | George- | prpplague: Yes, but X is like using a hammer that has all the older generations of hammers attached to it |
| 22:02:38 | noda | So? They're damned fine hammers, they're stainless steel or something. |
| 22:02:41 | noda | Titanium. |
| 22:03:02 | George- | LOL |
| 22:03:04 | prpplague | George-: or more like a one of those damn allen wrench sets on a metal ring making it impossible to use? |
| 22:03:58 | ljp | prpplague: I agree totally with you |
| 22:04:33 | kergoth | prpplague: also agreed.. though sometimes I think the numerous options leads to fractured efforts that hinder movement forward.. but there are always tradeoffs. |
| 22:04:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:04:40 | ljp | although opie on the desktop will take over the world |
| 22:05:04 | tux_mike | just had a really good drink :) |
| 22:05:33 | angry | has anyone ever been sucessful running "Hide CF" on OZ/OPIE? |
| 22:05:35 | ljp | sugar make me a bloody mary |
| 22:05:36 | Sugar | shakes vodka, tomato juice, lemon juice, worcestershire sauce, tabasco sauce, salt and pepper to taste and ice, strains it into an old-fashioned glass over ice cubes then adds wedge of lime and serves it to ljp. |
| 22:05:45 | angry | or Zaurus Star Castle? |
| 22:06:08 | ljp | angry: yes I have |
| 22:06:11 | tux_mike | bloody mary? ew! |
| 22:06:11 | | ibot pours prpplague a pint of dark creamy guinness stout |
| 22:06:11 | prpplague | ibot: need guinness |
| 22:06:14 | Cam__ | Opie on the desktop would be interesting! |
| 22:06:15 | BigBoss | i loved star castle when I was a kid |
| 22:06:19 | angry | same :) |
| 22:06:20 | tux_mike | sugar make me a death by chocolate martini |
| 22:06:20 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of death by chocolate martini, pours it into a glass, which she hands tux_mike. |
| 22:06:22 | BigBoss | a friend of mine played it for 8 hours on 1 quarter |
| 22:06:26 | ljp | see.. I told you, Guest |
| 22:06:35 | tux_mike | they have it in bottles now? sweet! :) |
| 22:06:37 | BigBoss | he finally stopped because he was physically ready to drop |
| 22:06:50 | | BigBoss: i'm not following you... |
| 22:06:50 | BigBoss | ibot: i need guinness too |
| 22:06:56 | BigBoss | ibot is a bitch |
| 22:07:22 | tux_mike | sugar give bigboss a pint of guiness |
| 22:07:22 | Sugar | pours some pint of guiness from the tap into a glass and hands it to BigBoss. |
| 22:07:24 | BigBoss | Guest: what do you need? |
| 22:07:30 | BigBoss | yummy |
| 22:07:36 | BigBoss | sugar sit on my lap |
| 22:08:25 | angry | ibot is a bitch is screw you |
| 22:08:41 | angry | ibot is zauru |
| 22:08:44 | angry | ibot is zauru |
| 22:08:47 | angry | ibot is zaurus |
| 22:08:51 | | ...but ibot is "the" bot around... |
| 22:08:51 | tux_mike | ibot ibot is a bitch |
| 22:08:54 | angry | (im very bad at typing) |
| 22:08:55 | ljp | ibot is Sugar |
| 22:09:00 | sumeet_p | "Reconfiguring all package installed to root ..." |
| 22:09:10 | kergoth | sumeet_p: that'll take a little bit. let it go |
| 22:09:24 | sumeet_p | kergoth: ya, seems like I did ok |
| 22:09:32 | prpplague | tux_mike: you fix that on ibot? |
| 22:09:34 | noda | Is there a way to get rid of the toolbar in Opie's Terminal program? :) |
| 22:09:39 | ljp | ya, it needs to send all your passwords to kergoths private email |
| 22:09:40 | tux_mike | prpplague: no |
| 22:09:44 | | tux_mike: I forgot ibot |
| 22:09:44 | tux_mike | ibot forget ibot |
| 22:09:49 | | OK, tux_mike. |
| 22:09:49 | tux_mike | ibot ibot is a bitch |
| 22:09:52 | | i guess i am a bitch |
| 22:09:52 | tux_mike | ibot ibot |
| 22:09:56 | tux_mike | lol |
| 22:09:59 | sumeet_p | kergoth: I couldn't compile from sources, it complained about crc32.c |
| 22:10:34 | kergoth | sumeet_p: thats odd, i havent seen that.. |
| 22:10:41 | kergoth | sumeet_p: what was it building at the time? |
| 22:11:24 | kergoth | fuck |
| 22:11:29 | kergoth | its storming outside |
| 22:11:36 | kergoth | blowing shit all over the place |
| 22:11:37 | sumeet_p | kergoth: I ran 'make openzaurus', I think it was in the middle of the kernel somewhere |
| 22:11:47 | kergoth | sumeet_p: i'd have to see the errors.. weird. |
| 22:13:03 | sumeet_p | is proud owner of oz/op/Z |
| 22:13:08 | sumeet_p | woohoo! |
| 22:13:47 | kergoth | congrats |
| 22:14:17 | kergoth | sumeet_p: please report any bugs you find in Opie to http://opie.info/bugs and any bugs in drivers, filesystem, distro itself to http://sf.net/projects/openzaurus/ |
| 22:15:11 | sumeet_p | kergoth: ok, thanks, I will. |
| 22:15:16 | XavierXeon | whats the main qtopia executable ? /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe ? |
| 22:16:05 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:16:42 | ljp | bugs? in opie?! strange |
| 22:16:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:17:06 | XavierXeon | cool ! i will hack it. no more document tab :) |
| 22:18:44 | ljp | heh good luck |
| 22:19:01 | angry | anyone bought warcraft 3, got bored with it, and now want to sell it for less than $20? |
| 22:19:03 | Cam__ | What are the plugins in Qtopia? |
| 22:19:04 | angry | :-P |
| 22:19:18 | Cam__ | I saw a load of .so's in the filesystem |
| 22:19:25 | George- | angry: I have WarCraft 3, and no I didn't get bored of it =P |
| 22:19:35 | angry | George-: damn ;) |
| 22:19:36 | ljp | there's mediaplayer plugins, and taskbar applets, and such |
| 22:19:53 | Cam__ | so.. they run in QPE's address space? |
| 22:19:54 | angry | George-: if i wanted to play with my brother over the network and we only have one CD, would it be possible |
| 22:20:05 | George- | angry: yes |
| 22:20:43 | George- | angry: Blizzard games include a "Spawn" which is a multi-player only system, that can play LAN games with the same CD key |
| 22:20:48 | Cam__ | I wonder ... could you run a special plugin to modify qpe on the fly.... hack in a background image or something |
| 22:20:57 | angry | George-: i heard that WarCraft 3 didn't support Spawning |
| 22:21:05 | George- | angry: I dunno |
| 22:21:09 | George- | angry: I haven't checked |
| 22:21:14 | treke|home | angry: dont think it does |
| 22:21:18 | George- | angry: Want me to check now? :) |
| 22:21:24 | treke|home | I didnt see it when I was playing it |
| 22:21:50 | angry | George-: don't bother, im pretty sure it doesnt :) |
| 22:22:08 | treke|home | it was a nifty game, just not my thang |
| 22:22:37 | ljp | Cam__: you could experiment with LD_PRELOAD |
| 22:22:39 | angry | treke|home: want to get rid of it? $20? ;-P |
| 22:22:52 | treke|home | angry: nope |
| 22:22:58 | Cam__ | ljp I was thinking, without having to restart qpe |
| 22:23:02 | angry | treke|home: booooo ;) |
| 22:23:10 | treke|home | angry: just my way of supporting SDL :) |
| 22:23:21 | ljp | Cam__: but sandman and I have been mostly unsuccesful with preloading liquid on sharps rom |
| 22:24:00 | Cam__ | ljp - well so long as someone tried it |
| 22:24:04 | angry | warcraft uses SDL? |
| 22:24:09 | ljp | it preloads fine.. but it just doesn act well |
| 22:24:21 | treke|home | angry: no, but they employ one of SDLs lead developers :) |
| 22:24:23 | Cam__ | are the symbols at the wrong addresses maybe? |
| 22:24:36 | ljp | naa.. you can use nm to get those |
| 22:24:49 | Cam__ | so it's just ... too different? |
| 22:24:54 | ljp | but something like the background _may_ work |
| 22:25:19 | Cam__ | I thought it would be a cool hack, I just hate it when someone says something can't be done ;-) |
| 22:25:20 | ljp | ya, I guess preloading setStyle() is a bit much |
| 22:25:51 | ljp | as I said.. the preload _worked_ just did have the desired results for liquid |
| 22:26:53 | ljp | you'd have to study the qpe source for discover the background thing.. and then experiment |
| 22:27:18 | ljp | it would be similiar on the Sharp rom |
| 22:27:23 | Cam__ | yeah.. I had a surf but found only rpms, not a cvs browser, and gave up... I'm lazy like that |
| 22:28:25 | Cam__ | did you guys know, "shahtoosh - wool from a certain endangered Tibetan antelope - is |
| 22:28:26 | Cam__ | more valuable than gold. |
| 22:28:27 | ljp | sharp does somethig special with the background |
| 22:28:52 | Cam__ | ljp, how special? |
| 22:29:29 | ljp | its got the stippled thing going on |
| 22:29:35 | Cam__ | I noticed that a lot of the stuff (like the icns for the plugins and menu) are not redrawn very often. If you hit the FB directly they stay corrumpted for ages |
| 22:30:30 | Cam__ | that stippled thing - must be a pixmap somewhere... hardcoded prolly as it's not on the filesystem |
| 22:31:08 | Cam__ | I thought to get in there and change a pointer to point to a new pixmap (or QImage or whatever) in a .so |
| 22:31:22 | kergoth | go back into opie cvs's first commits.. it'll have the original patch from whardier that enabled our background support |
| 22:31:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:32:38 | Cam__ | ohh so you'd need some extra code too :( Heres me thinking it was there all along and just wanted to have a better image in it... |
| 22:33:14 | ljp | Cam__: you could look at preloading the drawBackground function in qpe binary |
| 22:33:53 | kergoth | Cam__: heh, iirc it was like 3 lines of code. do as ljp suggests, should work fine |
| 22:33:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33:56 | ljp | just write your own drawBackground function and preload that as drawBackground |
| 22:34:15 | ljp | might work |
| 22:34:30 | Cam__ | Hmmm |
| 22:34:38 | BigBoss | tkcRace is now up on our web site http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcrace/ |
| 22:34:53 | ljp | might even use opies |
| 22:35:36 | Cam__ | BigBoss do an isometric view one next :) |
| 22:36:25 | BigBoss | isometric? I'm not letting any camera up my butt |
| 22:36:37 | George- | Cam__: NO! OpenGL acceleration! |
| 22:36:53 | Cam__ | y'know viewed at a 45 degree angle to each axis |
| 22:37:06 | Cam__ | (had to think about that description for a while) |
| 22:37:27 | ljp | Cam__: if you wanted help doing that, talk to sandman on #opie |
| 22:37:45 | Cam__ | ljp thanks |
| 22:37:52 | ljp | he's in switzerland, so has odd hours |
| 22:38:39 | ljp | almost owns a Fiero |
| 22:39:47 | nasa | kergoth: so what has changed with the new oz beta? |
| 22:40:12 | nasa | I have been out of the loop for awhile (motherboard problem, car's exploding, etc) |
| 22:40:12 | ljp | security is the biggest change |
| 22:40:43 | ljp | no sync till qtopiadesktop supports the password |
| 22:40:59 | ljp | or kergoth makes an unsecure oz |
| 22:41:10 | ljp | or.. less secure |
| 22:41:13 | nasa | ah well, never could get qtopiadesktop to work anyways |
| 22:43:07 | ljp | ftp works with the right password |
| 22:43:19 | ljp | and it'll ask you to accept the connection |
| 22:43:37 | nasa | hmm.. does this mean oipkg won't work with feeds? |
| 22:43:52 | ljp | and if you try no pawword 3 times, it'll shut you out :D |
| 22:44:15 | ljp | I havent heard any problems with that |
| 22:44:32 | ljp | thats if you ftp to the Z at port 4242 |
| 22:44:46 | nasa | Which begs the question -- how is oipkg? |
| 22:45:07 | ljp | no comment |
| 22:45:29 | ljp | I use it from advancedfm always.. I havent used it on a feed yet |
| 22:45:44 | nasa | Is that pleading the 5th? |
| 22:45:48 | ljp | or start it from the icon |
| 22:45:55 | ljp | heheheh kinda |
| 22:46:36 | ljp | shhh Dr.Evil is here |
| 22:46:42 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 22:46:43 | [DrEvil] | I am |
| 22:47:59 | [DrEvil] | I need a 9" green cold cathode light |
| 22:48:02 | [DrEvil] | but no one has them |
| 22:50:03 | noda | How do I get opieplayer to play MP3's and MPEG's? |
| 22:50:58 | ljp | install libmadplugin and mpeg3plugin |
| 22:51:34 | ljp | and say 'Great Googli-Moogli' |
| 22:51:42 | noda | Okay! |
| 22:51:49 | noda | I don't suppose it plays divx, eh? |
| 22:52:01 | ljp | nope, but opieplayer2 does |
| 22:52:14 | noda | Ooooh! |
| 22:52:16 | noda | Where's that? :) |
| 22:52:27 | noda | wants opieplayer2, it's got a bigger number! |
| 22:52:28 | ljp | cvs only.. not ready |
| 22:52:30 | mdz | I'm having some trouble with the OZ kernel...it displays the boot logo, then just a flashing cursor. what is supposed to happen? |
| 22:52:36 | noda | Oh. Is it semi-stable? |
| 22:52:42 | ljp | noda: nope |
| 22:52:52 | ljp | very alpha |
| 22:52:58 | sumeet_p | mdz: patience after the parade of dots it'll come up fine |
| 22:52:59 | noda | Damn :) |
| 22:53:10 | noda | Okay, I know this is kind of rude, but is there an ETA? :) |
| 22:53:14 | mdz | sumeet_p: I get no dots, and it's been like this for a minute or so |
| 22:53:36 | sumeet_p | mdz: what do you have - the big logo with the mascot? |
| 22:53:44 | ljp | we're hoping a week or two.. just need to work on memory issues ang player gui issues |
| 22:53:46 | mdz | sumeet_p: correct. and a blinking cursor |
| 22:53:54 | noda | WOW, that quick? That's awesome! |
| 22:53:59 | sumeet_p | mdz: SL5500? |
| 22:54:06 | mdz | sumeet_p: correct |
| 22:54:13 | ljp | mdz: wait 10 minutes and it wil be in opie |
| 22:54:16 | mdz | sumeet_p: zImage-32-32 |
| 22:54:25 | kergoth | mdz: its likely not mounting the rootfs. |
| 22:54:27 | mdz | 10 minutes?? |
| 22:54:33 | ljp | ok 5 |
| 22:54:36 | kergoth | mdz: you using a stock oz rootfs? |
| 22:54:39 | sumeet_p | mdz: I just flashed mine, I didn't notice how long it took to complete the whole init thing (40-24) |
| 22:54:40 | mdz | kergoth: hmm |
| 22:54:45 | mdz | kergoth: no, my own rootfs |
| 22:54:52 | ljp | ohhhh |
| 22:54:55 | kergoth | mdz: defauld OZ kernel doesnt have cramfs support. |
| 22:54:55 | George- | kergoth: He's using Debian =P |
| 22:55:02 | kergoth | mdz: or rather, its as a module not monolithic. |
| 22:55:07 | mdz | kergoth: that's why I made a jffs2 one :-) |
| 22:55:12 | kergoth | mdz: no idea then |
| 22:55:25 | sumeet_p | rebooting ... |
| 22:55:26 | kergoth | mdz: like i said, theres a 90% chance it failed to mount the rootfs. |
| 22:55:38 | George- | mdz: erm |
| 22:55:41 | kergoth | mdz: to know for sure, enable VT Console |
| 22:55:45 | mdz | could have been a failed flash, that's happened before when the vfat fs on the CF got corrupted |
| 22:55:48 | kergoth | mdz: so that you get your kernel messages on boot |
| 22:55:50 | George- | mdz: Did you change the fstab entries to reflect the OZ kernel? |
| 22:55:52 | kergoth | mdz: yeah thatd do it. |
| 22:55:54 | mdz | kergoth: how do I do that? |
| 22:55:59 | kergoth | George-: its not getting that far. |
| 22:56:02 | mdz | George-: it's not getting anywhere near that |
| 22:56:05 | kergoth | mdz: in the kenrel config. |
| 22:56:13 | George- | kergoth, mdz: OK |
| 22:56:36 | mdz | kergoth: hmm, I just grabbed the zImage-32-32 from sourceforge...is there one already built which shows the boot messages? |
| 22:56:37 | kergoth | mdz: where you enable VT, also enable console on VT.. then the kernel's console will be on the VT, and you should get messages, theoretically |
| 22:56:40 | George- | man tkcRace looks so sweet |
| 22:56:42 | kergoth | mdz: iI havent messed with it in a while |
| 22:56:45 | George- | but I can't use it if I'm on Debian |
| 22:56:47 | George- | boohooo |
| 22:56:51 | kergoth | mdz: not handy.. I used to have one, but not handy anymore |
| 22:57:01 | mdz | kergoth: oh, shit. I know what it is |
| 22:57:02 | nasa | kergoth: were are the config file for ipkg stored in oz? |
| 22:57:05 | kergoth | mdz: grab oz cvs and edit sources/linux.config and run make kernel |
| 22:57:08 | kergoth | mdz: hm? |
| 22:57:20 | mdz | kergoth: I wanted to see how much space was left on my initrd |
| 22:57:22 | kergoth | nasa: /usr/lib/ipkg/* for the packages installed to root |
| 22:57:32 | mdz | kergoth: so I temporarily commented out the --pad option |
| 22:57:35 | nasa | thanks |
| 22:57:40 | noda | Everybody who works/worked on Opie/OpenZaurus deserves giant kudos. I've been using it for an hour or two and I love it - much more than the Sharp ROM :) |
| 22:57:42 | kergoth | nasa: packages installed to other dests get put in ipkg databases on those dests |
| 22:57:48 | George- | is the --pad option mandatory? |
| 22:57:49 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I found something for you to replace bash with in OZ |
| 22:57:52 | kergoth | mdz: that wont kill it. |
| 22:57:54 | kergoth | George-: yes. |
| 22:57:54 | nasa | ok |
| 22:58:05 | George- | kergoth: oh fuck, is that why none of my stuff booted?!?! |
| 22:58:07 | kergoth | mdz: it should just cause jffs2 to error as it works out of its bounds.. |
| 22:58:08 | [DrEvil] | http://freshmeat.net/releases/92867/ |
| 22:58:09 | kergoth | George-: could be |
| 22:58:13 | George- | argh! |
| 22:58:14 | mdz | kergoth: hmm |
| 22:58:18 | George- | slams his head on the table |
| 22:58:19 | kergoth | mdz: but try the --pad anyway, its good policy. |
| 22:58:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:58:24 | George- | smashes against the wall |
| 22:58:24 | kergoth | George-: I told you guys about this already |
| 22:58:30 | mdz | well, time to flash back to Sharp so I can copy something else over. man, i need a CF writer |
| 22:58:34 | George- | get the saw out and cuts off his head |
| 22:58:42 | nasa | kergoth: has oipkg gotten smart enough so I don't have to reinstall apps on the sd card after every upgrade? |
| 22:58:46 | George- | shoves TNT up his ass, and lights it |
| 22:58:49 | kergoth | George-: cramfs has its size hardcoded.. jffs2 because it supports writes, relies on a sane marker for the end of the filesystem |
| 22:58:58 | kergoth | nasa: every upgrade? |
| 22:59:10 | kergoth | nasa: you realize you can upgrade OZ without reflashing right? ;-) |
| 22:59:26 | kergoth | nasa: but no, its not smart enough to parse the ipkg db on the media and recreate the symlinks. |
| 22:59:27 | tux_mike | kergoth: is there a file limit to jffs2? |
| 22:59:47 | kergoth | tux_mike: not certain, ask david woodhouse (dwmw2).. he hangs around #opie fairly often |
| 22:59:47 | nasa | kergoth: you indian gift giver |
| 22:59:55 | mdz | kergoth: what purpose does bootflag.txt serve? |
| 23:00:00 | kergoth | tux_mike: jffs2 = david woodhouse' project |
| 23:00:06 | mdz | kergoth: is it used by kernel or userland? |
| 23:00:10 | kergoth | mdz: bootloader uses it to hardcode the runlevel |
| 23:00:14 | kergoth | mdz: and passes it to the kernel |
| 23:00:24 | kergoth | mdz: ONLY if it contains "RLV#" where # is runlevel |
| 23:00:40 | kergoth | mdz: if it contains anything else.. then it doenst pass a runlevel, so default runlevel is set by inittab as it should be. |
| 23:00:57 | kergoth | mdz: which is why bootflag.txt for oz contains OZ30.. it doesnt really matter whats there, as its invalid anyway |
| 23:01:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:01:06 | mdz | kergoth: where does it end up in flash? there is no bootflag.txt in the flash directory |
| 23:01:12 | kergoth | mdz: it doesnt. |
| 23:01:24 | kergoth | mdz: the CF updater grabs it and (i believe) passes it via hte kernel command line. |
| 23:01:31 | kergoth | mdz: though the details i havent bothered to dig into |
| 23:01:46 | kergoth | mdz: one of these days i'll flash with RLV4 and print out the kenrel command line to make sure |
| 23:02:03 | nasa | I know this is a stupid question -- but how do you kill a process with a status of "D"? |
| 23:02:08 | mdz | kergoth: does it modify the kernel image to set it, or what? the information has to go into the flash somewhere |
| 23:02:11 | mdz | nasa: you can't |
| 23:02:22 | George- | what's "D" status? |
| 23:02:29 | George- | "inDestructable"? |
| 23:02:55 | mdz | uninterruptible |
| 23:03:08 | kergoth | mdz: yes yes of course,. its likely stored in the bootloader somewhere, which then adds it to the kernel command line |
| 23:03:16 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 1 hours, 28 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: scares away a bee [Fri Aug 2 22:34:27 2002] |
| 23:03:16 | darienm | ibot seen whardier |
| 23:03:27 | George- | mdz: flashing it with the --pad yet? |
| 23:03:30 | kergoth | mdz: as I said, I didnt bother to dig into the details. and unfortunately we have neither the source to the CF updater or to the angel |
| 23:03:38 | mdz | George-: just finished flashing Sharp image back |
| 23:03:44 | George- | kergoth: angel sucks, right? :) |
| 23:03:46 | nasa | so what causes an app (like say oipkg) to go uninterrutible? |
| 23:03:47 | kergoth | mdz: you need a cf card reader :-) |
| 23:03:51 | George- | mdz: hmm? |
| 23:03:54 | mdz | kergoth: I so do |
| 23:03:58 | George- | lol |
| 23:04:06 | mdz | someone donate a CF reader to the cause |
| 23:04:12 | George- | I have 3, one of which doesn't work |
| 23:04:14 | kergoth | i started hacking the sharp rom without a CF reader |
| 23:04:18 | kergoth | i regretted it pretty damn fast |
| 23:04:20 | noda | needed a CF card reader. He got one and is now happy :) |
| 23:04:26 | kergoth | ran up to the store within a aday or two |
| 23:04:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:04:41 | mdz | kergoth: there is no way I could do anything with the kernel without a reader, I would go insane |
| 23:04:48 | kergoth | mdz: yeah thatd be nuts |
| 23:04:53 | George- | lol |
| 23:04:58 | kergoth | mdz: fyi, its also a bitch to do any kernel coding on this without a serial cable |
| 23:04:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:05:07 | George- | ? |
| 23:05:29 | kergoth | George-: get kernel messages via the serial port.. if the Z crashes thats the only way you'll ever get the crash dump |
| 23:05:33 | Speedy2 | re |
| 23:05:36 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Alive? |
| 23:05:37 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 23:05:40 | kergoth | Speedy2: package arrive |
| 23:05:41 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:05:45 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Got your package, yes :) |
| 23:05:48 | kergoth | good good |
| 23:05:48 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Thanks |
| 23:05:57 | kergoth | np, intact? |
| 23:05:58 | Speedy2 | kergoth: It came in earlier this week, but I was so f'ing busy moving |
| 23:05:59 | mdz | kergoth: whoa, can you actually get things done over serial? |
| 23:06:00 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yes. |
| 23:06:03 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:06:04 | mdz | kergoth: like a console? |
| 23:06:10 | kergoth | mdz: yes. i use serial console on the Z |
| 23:06:21 | kergoth | mdz: its nifty :-) |
| 23:06:23 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I've moved out, but I am relegated to using dial-up :( |
| 23:06:26 | mdz | I especially love it when I'm copying over a new image to the CF over USB and it craps out on me |
| 23:06:29 | kergoth | Speedy2: ahh that sucks.. |
| 23:06:33 | mdz | that's the BEST |
| 23:06:33 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Agreed |
| 23:06:43 | kergoth | Speedy2: but you're moved out, thats gotta be good |
| 23:06:56 | kergoth | Speedy2: leds still dont like me, what else is new. hehe |
| 23:07:00 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Possibly. The front room is gigantic mess and I have to clean up some space to setup my computer |
| 23:07:09 | kergoth | Speedy2: ahh yeah been there done that |
| 23:07:10 | George- | mdz: heh, get a card reader :) |
| 23:07:11 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I need to work on my project... |
| 23:07:29 | Speedy2 | kergoth: So Inky and Blinky aren't doing anything? |
| 23:07:31 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah. hows that going? |
| 23:07:37 | kergoth | Speedy2: nah.. and i diff'd the registers too |
| 23:07:46 | kergoth | Speedy2: no fucking diferences other than the obvious.. SPI, keyboard, etc |
| 23:07:51 | mdz | is the AC-power-while-flashing requirement just a precaution in case you run out of battery, or is there some other risk? |
| 23:07:57 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Analog Devices sent me some different parts, should reduce the noise |
| 23:07:58 | mdz | I have accidentally flashed without connecting AC a couple of times |
| 23:08:01 | kergoth | Speedy2: so i gave up for a while and started porting the Z keyboard driver to the input layer. :_) |
| 23:08:02 | kergoth | Speedy2: nice |
| 23:08:11 | ljp | kergoth: di dyou try saying 'Great Gooli-Moogli'? |
| 23:08:11 | kergoth | mdz: just a precaution, as i understand it |
| 23:08:17 | kergoth | ljp: oh i bet thats what i was missing |
| 23:08:18 | Speedy2 | kergoth: My car broke down on the middle of the highway yesterday |
| 23:08:18 | George- | mdz: It's ok |
| 23:08:19 | ljp | Googli-Moogli even |
| 23:08:23 | George- | mdz: I've never had troubles |
| 23:08:24 | kergoth | Speedy2: ack |
| 23:08:32 | Speedy2 | kergoth: 635, Texas, 106 deg, on a Friday @ 2:30 PM |
| 23:08:33 | George- | what happens if you flash, and disconnect AC in the middle? |
| 23:08:37 | ljp | akk |
| 23:08:39 | Speedy2 | George-: You're fucked |
| 23:08:40 | kergoth | Speedy2: fuck |
| 23:08:47 | George- | Speedy2: how so? |
| 23:08:54 | Speedy2 | kergoth: It took me 20 mins before I could even push the car to the shoulder |
| 23:08:56 | ljp | partly ownes a Fiero |
| 23:09:08 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Then some dude was cool enough to stop and drop me off where I could call a friend |
| 23:09:11 | kergoth | ljp: partly? |
| 23:09:21 | nasa | Hey Speedy2 -- I have a story that can easy top that (even though I feel for you) |
| 23:09:27 | kergoth | Speedy2: ahh nice.. there arent many people who are willing to stop nowadays. heh |
| 23:09:31 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Friend came, and then backed *OUT* into the other lane of the highway to make his front end match mine, so he could jump start my car |
| 23:09:35 | ljp | yep.. I made a $200 deposit unti lthe insurance co dishes out th ebigga bucks |
| 23:09:43 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Car got jump started, I blocked traffic, he pulled out and then we left |
| 23:09:45 | Speedy2 | nasa: Oh? |
| 23:09:47 | kergoth | ljp: ahh.. |
| 23:10:01 | ljp | have a bill of sale.. but no keys, yet |
| 23:10:02 | nasa | Yeah -- sit back and enjoy this one |
| 23:10:04 | Speedy2 | George-: If the bootsection doesn't get updated properly, then the Z won't boot and you're left with Chicken and Egg situation |
| 23:10:06 | mdz | uh oh |
| 23:10:17 | George- | Speedy2: uhm |
| 23:10:21 | mdz | it's pissed |
| 23:10:25 | kergoth | mdz: ? |
| 23:10:26 | George- | Speedy2: I'm talking about the true way of flashing, with OZ :) |
| 23:10:28 | mdz | both LEDs are flashing |
| 23:10:35 | George- | mdz: wtf? |
| 23:10:35 | nasa | My wife was driving to a church convention in a town about 3 1/2 hours a way. |
| 23:10:37 | mdz | wtf does that mean? |
| 23:10:38 | kergoth | George-: in that case, you just reflash |
| 23:10:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:10:46 | kergoth | mdz: aha i hate that |
| 23:10:47 | George- | uh wait |
| 23:10:51 | nasa | about 20 miles from the town she notieced smoke from the back |
| 23:10:56 | George- | Did I just say the True way is with OZ?"!?! |
| 23:10:57 | George- | WTF? |
| 23:10:57 | mdz | kergoth: what's it mean? |
| 23:10:57 | kergoth | mdz: mine does that if i try to flash with an image thats 1 byte too large |
| 23:10:59 | George- | argh! |
| 23:11:02 | kergoth | mdz: you likely padded it too much this time |
| 23:11:11 | nasa | the smoke was thick enough that see could not see behind it |
| 23:11:12 | mdz | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14811136 2002-08-03 20:11 INITRD.BIN |
| 23:11:25 | mdz | that's exactly the same size as the sharp one |
| 23:11:30 | nasa | she pulled over and got out -- at which point my daughter noticed the back end was on fire |
| 23:11:34 | kergoth | mdz: hmm |
| 23:11:37 | Speedy2 | Oh man |
| 23:11:40 | ljp | nasa: ouch |
| 23:11:41 | kergoth | mdz: corrupt initrd then most likely |
| 23:12:06 | mdz | I just made it. must be a problem with the CF |
| 23:12:08 | nasa | A few people stopped by and help pull stuff out the car, before it exploded |
| 23:12:11 | kergoth | George-: aha its seeping into you.. you'll be installing it soon.. i know it.. |
| 23:12:14 | kergoth | George-: ;-) |
| 23:12:19 | kergoth | nasa: oh shit |
| 23:12:26 | Speedy2 | nasa: Oh man. How old was the car? |
| 23:12:29 | nasa | it exploded twice (yes twice) |
| 23:12:33 | kergoth | twice? |
| 23:12:35 | ljp | nasa: got pictures? ;0 |
| 23:12:35 | kergoth | how the hell... |
| 23:12:37 | noda | Hrm. When I open the package manager in openzaurus, I don't see any of the packages in /mnt/cf. How would I make those ones show up? :) |
| 23:12:55 | nasa | No, I sure don't |
| 23:13:03 | kergoth | noda: you dont.. well i take tha tback.. you can create a Packages file on the CF so that its basically a local feed.. |
| 23:13:09 | nasa | she was a little to shaken up to do anything like that |
| 23:13:13 | mdz | kergoth: whose bright idea was it to hide the boot messages in the first place? ;-) |
| 23:13:14 | kergoth | noda: then you add that feed as file:/mnt/cf |
| 23:13:24 | kergoth | mdz: hehe. had to, otherwise end users get all confused.. |
| 23:13:29 | noda | Okay, awesome! How do I make a package file? Something like 'ls > packages'? |
| 23:13:29 | kergoth | mdz: gotta keep it easy, you know.. |
| 23:13:30 | Speedy2 | nasa: Awww, your car just explodes and you're *shaken* ? Sounds silly |
| 23:13:37 | Speedy2 | jokes |
| 23:13:43 | Speedy2 | would be upset and unhappy |
| 23:13:46 | kergoth | noda: nah there are scripts to do it.. |
| 23:13:48 | [George-] | 14811136 bytes |
| 23:13:50 | kergoth | noda: go to the zauruszone howtos |
| 23:13:55 | kergoth | noda: there's a feed howto |
| 23:13:58 | nasa | I am happy that no one got injured |
| 23:14:02 | Speedy2 | Agreed |
| 23:14:08 | noda | kergoth: Awesome - thanks :) |
| 23:14:13 | kergoth | noda: thats how i do it anyway.. but you can alwaays just tap on them in your docs tab or through the file manager |
| 23:14:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:14:15 | kergoth | noda: np |
| 23:14:20 | nasa | The car is insured |
| 23:14:24 | [George-] | mdz: Found the problem? |
| 23:14:26 | nasa | just replace it |
| 23:14:37 | mdz | [George-]: nope |
| 23:14:46 | kergoth | wtf |
| 23:14:47 | mdz | [George-]: re-flashing back to Sharp to have another try |
| 23:14:51 | kergoth | artsd just died spontaniously |
| 23:14:53 | kergoth | stupid shit |
| 23:15:13 | mdz | [George-]: you aren't seriously thinking of trying to run KDE on it, are you/ |
| 23:15:14 | mdz | ? |
| 23:15:17 | [George-] | mdz: I bet the image got corrupted on upload |
| 23:15:18 | Speedy2 | kergoth: So Flash and LED are still no go...ugh, wish Sharp would be more forth coming with docs. |
| 23:15:19 | [George-] | mdz: Yes I am |
| 23:15:26 | [George-] | mdz: I'm an idiot, and I'll get flamed for it |
| 23:15:28 | [George-] | mdz: But I am |
| 23:15:30 | mdz | [George-]: you are out of your head |
| 23:15:43 | Speedy2 | slaps [George-] with the BSD license |
| 23:15:49 | mdz | [George-]: KDE seems nice and all, but it's not exactly PDA class software |
| 23:15:59 | [George-] | mdz: I never said it was :) |
| 23:16:00 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah no kidding.. i decided i'm going to get the sd module built and keyboard driver working so i can get EVERY register identical to the 2.4.6... |
| 23:16:10 | kergoth | Speedy2: then if they still dont work i know something is very odd indeed :-) |
| 23:16:20 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Then you blow up Sharp Japan |
| 23:16:27 | mdz | I'd be amazed if KDE even starts up in 64M |
| 23:16:54 | kergoth | Speedy2: you look at the schematics that shows the leds? doesnt show much.. just the connection to the pwm pins on the locomo.. awfully unhelpful |
| 23:16:56 | kergoth | Speedy2: hehe yeah |
| 23:17:12 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah, agreed. With no docs other than some shitty software... |
| 23:17:28 | Speedy2 | #define led_on led_on(led(on)) |
| 23:17:31 | Speedy2 | crap like tha |
| 23:17:31 | Speedy2 | t |
| 23:17:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:18:20 | ljp | hahah |
| 23:18:24 | kergoth | Speedy2: fyi, linux keyboard drivers suck. |
| 23:18:25 | [George-] | mdz: http://intimate.handhelds.org/screens.shtml, http://rikkus.info/mini-kde.html |
| 23:18:27 | kergoth | Speedy2: heh :-) |
| 23:18:42 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Linux keyboard drivers in general or the Sharp Linux Keyboard driver? |
| 23:18:58 | kergoth | Speedy2: linux keyboard drivers in general... the sharp one no less so |
| 23:19:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:19:09 | kergoth | Speedy2: linux input layer is pretty sweet though, i must say |
| 23:19:18 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Hrm |
| 23:19:28 | kergoth | wtf |
| 23:19:30 | kergoth | i lost audio |
| 23:19:35 | kergoth | artsd is running, but no sound |
| 23:19:36 | kergoth | wtf |
| 23:19:46 | kergoth | its so.. quiet |
| 23:19:58 | kergoth | my house is absolutely silent but for the sounds of me typing |
| 23:20:02 | kergoth | i need MUSIC |
| 23:20:02 | kergoth | !! |
| 23:20:05 | mdz | what I really need is a CF updater that can take input from serial |
| 23:20:10 | mdz | over xmodem |
| 23:20:15 | mdz | like any respectable embedded device |
| 23:20:17 | kergoth | mdz: what you need, is a decent bootloader on the Z. |
| 23:20:19 | Speedy2 | mdz: I'm working on it, I'm working on it. |
| 23:20:27 | mdz | that too |
| 23:21:04 | kergoth | brb, logging out of kde & logging back in |
| 23:21:37 | angry | heh heh my art teacher was charged with sexual assault |
| 23:22:51 | nasa | when using oipkg how do you tell when an update is available for a package? |
| 23:24:29 | mdz | stupid busybox tar |
| 23:24:31 | mdz | tar: INITRD.BIN: input/output error -- File exists |
| 23:24:37 | mdz | I KNOW that, I want you to OVERWRITE it |
| 23:25:23 | [George-] | LOL |
| 23:26:07 | [George-] | mdz: Why am I insane, for wanting to run KDE, btw? |
| 23:26:32 | ljp | it wasnt meant to for such a small screen, or small memeory area |
| 23:26:43 | [George-] | hmm |
| 23:26:54 | [George-] | so? |
| 23:27:13 | ljp | hehehe good luck.. ;) |
| 23:27:33 | [George-] | ljp: Look at those iPaq screenshots... |
| 23:27:39 | [George-] | ljp: and that rikkus.info screenshot |
| 23:27:58 | [George-] | ljp: I'm sure I could combine them, and make a usable (sort of) kde system |
| 23:28:22 | mdz | I am getting flashing LED syndrome again, wtf |
| 23:29:03 | ljp | well 640x400 is huge compared to 240x320 |
| 23:29:32 | kergoth | re |
| 23:29:58 | noda | KDE is big, screen-wise. Big buttons, big graphics.. not really made for embedded devices... |
| 23:30:07 | [George-] | ljp: yeh, but look: he's running two windows in 640x400 |
| 23:30:09 | noda | Big apps... |
| 23:30:18 | [George-] | noda: big buttons? wtf/ |
| 23:30:23 | mdz | is the ipaq 640x400? |
| 23:30:26 | [George-] | noda: You can make them *tiny* |
| 23:30:30 | noda | ipaq's same as zaurus |
| 23:30:31 | [George-] | mdz: Never said it was |
| 23:30:45 | noda | [George-]: I guess most of all it's the big apps. All the KDE dialog boxes are too big. |
| 23:31:07 | [George-] | hmm |
| 23:31:08 | nasa | kergoth: what is the best way to keep my OZ up-to-date? |
| 23:31:18 | [George-] | how do i make a virtual screen? :) |
| 23:31:18 | kergoth | nasa: oz3 has a package feed. |
| 23:31:23 | kergoth | nassa: ipkg update; ipkg upgrade; |
| 23:31:28 | kergoth | s/ss/s/ |
| 23:31:32 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 23:31:32 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 23:31:34 | ljp | if you di try kde.. look into the microkde lib thats in konqeror embedded |
| 23:31:35 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 23:31:35 | kergoth | ibot: feed? |
| 23:31:53 | [George-] | ljp: It's in korge/embedded |
| 23:31:58 | nasa | ipkg upgrade -- got it |
| 23:32:01 | | ljp: huh? |
| 23:32:01 | ljp | ibot: feed me pizzA |
| 23:32:06 | [George-] | ljp: why would I want microkde? |
| 23:32:15 | ljp | your going to need it |
| 23:32:20 | [George-] | ljp: that's just a translation layer for KDE commands into Qt commands.... |
| 23:32:38 | noda | Does OpiePlayer have a "fullscreen" option for MPEGs, like the Qtopia one? :) |
| 23:32:45 | kergoth | [George-]: wrong. microkde is just a kde lib with lots of shit disabled |
| 23:32:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:32:48 | nasa | Resolving openzaurus.sourceforge.net... failed: Host not found. (has this changed?) |
| 23:32:51 | [George-] | kergoth: no it's not |
| 23:32:51 | ljp | you'll have to resize all the kde widgets |
| 23:32:56 | kergoth | nasa: no it hasnt changed. |
| 23:33:02 | [George-] | kergoth: have you looked at the source? |
| 23:33:07 | noda | nasa: You're broken :) |
| 23:33:10 | kergoth | [George-]: nope, going by what i've heard. |
| 23:33:24 | [George-] | kergoth: it was written from scratch, and it's a reimplementation of some KDE stuff for Qt |
| 23:33:32 | [George-] | kergoth: most notably the KConfig class |
| 23:33:35 | ljp | noda: yes.. there is a fullscreen mode |
| 23:33:42 | [George-] | kergoth: most of the other stuff is empty |
| 23:33:58 | noda | ljp: It just doesn't seem to want to turn on... |
| 23:34:06 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:34:57 | [George-] | listen, I've wanted to run KDE on a PDA for several years, can I just fulfil it? :) |
| 23:35:16 | [George-] | i'll prolly end up removing it, and putting Matchbox or Fluxbox on :) |
| 23:35:39 | ljp | noda: enable it from the view menu, and then watch a video |
| 23:35:58 | noda | ljp: That's what I'm trying. It doesn't enable. |
| 23:36:44 | mdz | what kind of video are you going to watch on a Zaurus? |
| 23:36:59 | noda | mpeg |
| 23:37:16 | [George-] | what's so good about FluxBox? |
| 23:37:19 | kergoth | video on the Z, imho, is only good for showing off :-) |
| 23:37:23 | mdz | but what are you going to watch? a movie? why? |
| 23:37:29 | mdz | kergoth: agreed |
| 23:37:39 | noda | Just to see if it works ;) |
| 23:38:01 | noda | Nah, my long-term plans are to capture TV stuff (off my TV card) on a cronjob and watch 'em in the morning on the bus. |
| 23:38:12 | [George-] | LOL |
| 23:38:16 | [George-] | Have fun =P |
| 23:38:19 | noda | Well, that *and* show off, of course ;) |
| 23:38:29 | noda | What, why not? Seems very easy to me. |
| 23:38:32 | [George-] | I'd rather waste time playing tkcRace |
| 23:38:33 | [George-] | =P |
| 23:38:52 | mdz | sounds like it would eat battery pretty quick |
| 23:38:58 | noda | Hrm, probably... |
| 23:39:03 | mdz | if you could watch a 30-minute program, I think I'd be surprised |
| 23:39:11 | noda | You think it'd be that bad? |
| 23:39:15 | noda | Ouch... |
| 23:39:20 | kergoth | noda: what the hell, try it and see |
| 23:39:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:39:43 | kergoth | opens the window and watches the storm |
| 23:39:47 | noda | Hehehe -- okay. How do I make movies go full-screen? ;) |
| 23:40:35 | ljp | enable it from the view menu |
| 23:40:48 | [George-] | lol |
| 23:41:13 | ljp | should work.. works on the desktop anyway |
| 23:41:13 | angry | mdz: strip away the commercials, if its from america, it's 20 mins :) |
| 23:43:52 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 23:44:00 | mdz | I have almost mastered the art of flashing the zaurus without getting fingerprints all over the screen |
| 23:44:04 | mdz | but not quite |
| 23:44:06 | mdz | it is a delicate art |
| 23:44:27 | [George-] | lol |
| 23:45:01 | ljp | just close the screen protector |
| 23:45:27 | [George-] | ljp: haha |
| 23:46:00 | mdz | hah...I took that thing off after about the 50th flash |
| 23:47:01 | ljp | or use a paperclip |
| 23:47:15 | [George-] | ljp: I use the stylus |
| 23:47:38 | mdz | I use the stylus as well |
| 23:47:49 | mdz | but that is the other hand |
| 23:47:56 | mdz | now a one-handed flash, that would be something |
| 23:48:00 | [George-] | LOL |
| 23:48:03 | mdz | hey, it came up! yay |
| 23:48:07 | [George-] | what did? |
| 23:48:19 | mdz | OZ kernel + Debian jffs2 initrd |
| 23:48:22 | [George-] | hey cool |
| 23:48:26 | [George-] | That just, well, rocks :) |
| 23:48:43 | [George-] | mdz: can you send it to me or upload it or something? |
| 23:48:47 | mdz | hmm, something is busted in /dev |
| 23:48:53 | mdz | [George-]: you don't want it |
| 23:48:56 | [George-] | why not? |
| 23:48:58 | mdz | [George-]: you can't even login |
| 23:49:02 | [George-] | what?!?! |
| 23:49:07 | mdz | Unable to change tty /dev/tty1: Illegal seek |
| 23:49:18 | [George-] | hmm |
| 23:49:24 | MickeyL | is leaving for a while... |
| 23:49:28 | [George-] | starts making a kickstart initrd |
| 23:49:51 | mdz | jesus, this font is tiny |
| 23:50:15 | [George-] | hmm |
| 23:50:20 | [George-] | I won't even bother with dpkg |
| 23:50:26 | [George-] | rm -rf usr/X11R6 |
| 23:51:13 | kergoth | bah dont use a paperclip or a stylus |
| 23:51:26 | kergoth | the battery cover has a little piece of plastic thats PERFECT for hitting f ull reset |
| 23:51:30 | kergoth | plus then you dont lose the battery cover. |
| 23:51:37 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:51:42 | [George-] | haha |
| 23:52:39 | [George-] | hmm |
| 23:52:43 | [George-] | rm -rf wasn't such a great idea |
| 23:53:27 | ljp | hehe hmm |
| 23:53:40 | [George-] | OK, I'm off before I get so tired that I rm -rf / |
| 23:54:36 | ljp | heh |
| 23:54:51 | mdz | kergoth: any idea re: /dev/tty1: Illegal seek? |
| 23:55:13 | mdz | kergoth: I got it booting, but it's pissed |
| 23:56:31 | kergoth | mdz: havent seen that. |
| 23:56:37 | kergoth | mdz: is tty1 an actual proper tty device? |
| 23:56:51 | kergoth | mdz: i mean, proper major/minor right? |
| 23:56:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:57:20 | mdz | kergoth: if I could login, I could check |
| 23:57:45 | kergoth | doh |
| 23:58:00 | mdz | kergoth: I create the devices a little differently than you do, I just have them exist in the tree that I run mkfs.jffs2 on |
| 23:58:06 | mdz | kergoth: but I see no reason why that should not work |
| 23:58:06 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:58:13 | kergoth | mdz: that should work fine, i've done that also |
| 23:58:33 | kergoth | mdz: i just use the device table to build the image without being root. |
| 23:58:35 | kergoth | mdz: heh |
| 23:59:00 | mdz | where's that driver which lets you mount jffs2 filesystems without mtd? |
| 23:59:18 | kergoth | there is no such driver |
| 23:59:34 | mdz | without a physical mtd device, I mean |
| 23:59:35 | mdz | blk_mtd or such? |
| 23:59:57 | kergoth | but there is a MTD driver that is just a mapped memory region... which you could use by doing a mem= on your kernel cmdline to shrink up the memory area, and use the MTD Physmem driver to access that end portion of RAM |
