| 00:00:06 | codemnky | except for her 4 chins |
| 00:00:09 | ToyKeeper | I can only encode 15-25fps... Not even 1X encoding speed. |
| 00:00:15 | codemnky | 8^) |
| 00:00:22 | whardier | I can only encode at 3fps |
| 00:00:24 | whardier | :( |
| 00:00:31 | Cloudchaser | mine's rendering at 24 fps |
| 00:00:35 | Cloudchaser | that what you mean? |
| 00:00:46 | Cloudchaser | i'm using virtual dub |
| 00:01:01 | Cloudchaser | taking 716 mb divx and converting it to smaller res for z |
| 00:01:17 | Cloudchaser | trying to get it small enough for 256mb flash card |
| 00:01:19 | ToyKeeper | Oh, interesting. I've never transcoded a divx. |
| 00:01:25 | whardier | oooh.. making it smaller and stuff.. then I can go around 30fps |
| 00:01:36 | Cloudchaser | i think its at 24 fps but i'll have to drop it ;( |
| 00:01:38 | Cloudchaser | to 20 |
| 00:01:46 | kergoth | shoots prpplague. stop that! |
| 00:01:58 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 00:02:03 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 00:02:04 | kergoth | FUCKING ANTS, MY ETHERNET CABLE IS NOT A FUCKING HIGHWAY! |
| 00:02:10 | prpplague | kergoth: i was wondering if you'd see that |
| 00:02:19 | ljp | hahahaha |
| 00:02:22 | kergoth | roge99: nada.. relaxing.. cooking dinner. hunting ants |
| 00:02:22 | ]DrEvil[ | heh |
| 00:02:23 | kergoth | roge99: you? |
| 00:02:24 | nadav | hm. 512mb SD card |
| 00:02:25 | nadav | i wish |
| 00:02:26 | ]DrEvil[ | kergoth |
| 00:02:40 | roge99_laptop | what gun do you use for ants ? |
| 00:02:46 | Cloudchaser | 512 mb sd card would be good i think |
| 00:02:47 | ToyKeeper | kergoth: try bathroom tile cleaner. Kills ants in about 10 seconds, and they won't go near the sprayed area for days. |
| 00:02:48 | whardier | kergoth: you have Ant packets? |
| 00:02:58 | ]DrEvil[ | what is the default kernel ram settings for OZ? |
| 00:02:58 | Cloudchaser | this one's projected to be 305 mb when done |
| 00:03:02 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: terro, that ant poison |
| 00:03:20 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: for make kernel? |
| 00:03:20 | roge99_laptop | wd-40 and a lighter is more fun ! |
| 00:03:24 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: 40-24 |
| 00:03:29 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: err |
| 00:03:40 | ]DrEvil[ | well...whatever happens when I say make openzaurus |
| 00:03:44 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: yeah, 40-24 is the default build for build/zImage-4c |
| 00:03:48 | VerxHome | .obj/main.o: In function `QShared::deref(void)': |
| 00:03:50 | ]DrEvil[ | mmmk |
| 00:03:55 | VerxHome | /skiff/src/qt-2.3.2/include/qshared.h:50: undefined reference to `DragonSheetAbout::DragonSheetAbout(QWidget *, char const *, bool, unsigned int)' |
| 00:03:58 | ]DrEvil[ | another problem |
| 00:03:59 | ]DrEvil[ | heh |
| 00:04:01 | VerxHome | /skiff/src/qt-2.3.2/include/qshared.h:50: relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 DragonSheetAbout::DragonSheetAbout(QWidget *, char const *, bool, unsigned int) |
| 00:04:03 | ]DrEvil[ | openobex-config |
| 00:04:03 | VerxHome | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 00:04:03 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: fyi, do a cvs up -CPdA, because i miscommitted a fucked up linux.config |
| 00:04:06 | codemnky | i have openZ installed yet again |
| 00:04:07 | VerxHome | anyone ever seen that before? |
| 00:04:26 | ]DrEvil[ | openobex-config is not found by openobex-apps |
| 00:04:33 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: ah yeah, i forgot about tthat |
| 00:04:50 | ]DrEvil[ | I copied it to my path as a stopgam measure |
| 00:04:53 | ]DrEvil[ | stopgap |
| 00:04:54 | ]DrEvil[ | and |
| 00:04:56 | ]DrEvil[ | there is more |
| 00:04:57 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: install openobex on your desktop as a workaround. i'll be hackign up the openobex-apps build |
| 00:05:00 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: hah, more eh |
| 00:05:13 | ]DrEvil[ | can you maybe add some beeps for the cvs prompts? |
| 00:05:40 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: even better, i'm checking in a .cvspass so it wont prompt anymore :-) |
| 00:05:47 | ]DrEvil[ | ahh |
| 00:05:49 | ]DrEvil[ | ok |
| 00:05:54 | ]DrEvil[ | and |
| 00:05:56 | ]DrEvil[ | more |
| 00:05:58 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:06:16 | ljp | hehehe.. I may get BZFlag's vercel while he's in India... :) |
| 00:06:19 | ]DrEvil[ | make openzaurus bitches about the opie packages not being there |
| 00:06:20 | codemnky | the stylus can also be used to scratch the crack of your butt |
| 00:06:35 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: oh yeah, i know.. |
| 00:06:44 | codemnky | i just found that feature |
| 00:06:44 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: if you put them there it'll build a full fledged openzaurus initrd |
| 00:06:52 | ]DrEvil[ | how about a make oz-base |
| 00:06:59 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: because the oz buildroot doesnt build opie yet |
| 00:07:07 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: ? what about oz-base? |
| 00:07:13 | ]DrEvil[ | to build the root filesystem only |
| 00:07:24 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: oz-base is actually a very very basic package already |
| 00:07:26 | ]DrEvil[ | not looking for opie |
| 00:07:32 | whardier | I someday wanna see specs on the vercel |
| 00:07:32 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: so i'll call it something else |
| 00:07:37 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: like oz-minimal or something |
| 00:07:40 | ljp | Toto.. we're not in Kansas anymore |
| 00:07:41 | ]DrEvil[ | yes |
| 00:07:46 | ]DrEvil[ | something like that |
| 00:07:49 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: k, thanks. i'll add that |
| 00:07:51 | ]DrEvil[ | make oz-root? |
| 00:08:09 | Cloudchaser | does anyone use smbmount on z? |
| 00:08:12 | ljp | oz-subliminal |
| 00:08:16 | kergoth | h |
| 00:08:29 | ]DrEvil[ | I have smbmount in EvilROM |
| 00:08:31 | kergoth | ljp: subliminal messages in the framebuffer.. scary scary |
| 00:08:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:08:40 | ljp | hehe |
| 00:09:01 | kergoth | hmm i have a sudden urge to stop asking kergoth stupid questions about OZ! |
| 00:09:06 | kergoth | </quote> |
| 00:09:08 | kergoth | i can see it now |
| 00:09:09 | kergoth | hehehe |
| 00:09:15 | nadav | Hm. the lexar SD has a nice price |
| 00:09:32 | codemnky | hey kergoth i just tried to install thekompany's calendar |
| 00:09:37 | codemnky | it was complaing |
| 00:09:42 | Cloudchaser | i think thats the one i have.. lexar 64mb sd |
| 00:09:42 | kergoth | codemnky: about waht? |
| 00:09:42 | scanline | kergoth: are there any known problems using GCC 3.1.1 on ARM? |
| 00:09:49 | kergoth | scanline: well |
| 00:09:49 | codemnky | let me check |
| 00:09:54 | nadav | Cloudchaser: i want the 128mb |
| 00:10:00 | kergoth | scanline: tobias (hunger) says it produces buggy shit |
| 00:10:02 | Cloudchaser | hehe don't blame you |
| 00:10:08 | kergoth | scanline: he's getting bus errors on stuff built with it |
| 00:10:22 | ]DrEvil[ | I wonder if I should try flashing this OZ rom i made |
| 00:10:22 | nadav | Cloudchaser: too bad 256mb SD is so expensive |
| 00:10:25 | scanline | kergoth: ah. hunger told me the same thing, but I haven't had any problems with it yet (though I haven't been using it for very long yet) |
| 00:10:28 | Cloudchaser | yeah i know |
| 00:10:39 | kergoth | scanline: ah.. built that toolchain yourself? |
| 00:10:42 | Cloudchaser | cries my movie is too big |
| 00:10:52 | kergoth | scanline: i wonder if we're just doing something wrong in the toolchain build.. who knows |
| 00:11:03 | ToyKeeper | Cloudchaser: just make it too small, then. :) |
| 00:11:11 | scanline | kergoth: I built the binutils and gcc myself, used a precompiled glibc |
| 00:11:27 | scanline | kergoth: also, I'm on PPC.. so there may be some bug that only affects x86? |
| 00:11:50 | kergoth | hmm possible |
| 00:12:11 | kergoth | scanline: or perhaps a bug in glibc when its built by 3.1.1? |
| 00:12:14 | Harlekin_ | kergoth: opie , qt3 ready compiled with gcc3.1 |
| 00:12:21 | scanline | kergoth: more likely |
| 00:12:21 | kergoth | Harlekin_: sweet |
| 00:12:27 | Cloudchaser | ToyKeeper: i will do it again with lower frame rate i guess |
| 00:12:29 | codemnky | hmm |
| 00:12:35 | kergoth | scanline: hmm |
| 00:12:42 | Cloudchaser | going to try to run it across network on z though to see how it looks |
| 00:12:42 | kergoth | scanline: I should try 3.1.1 against a known working glibc |
| 00:12:49 | codemnky | it say it's trying to install a file that already exists from another package |
| 00:13:05 | kergoth | codemnky: yeah i heard about that. what file? |
| 00:13:19 | codemnky | checking |
| 00:13:28 | scanline | kergoth: What I did (to save effort :) was download the x86 ARM toolchain from handhelds.org, then replace the binutils and gcc binaries with new ones compiled with the same ./configure settings |
| 00:13:39 | kergoth | scanline: hmm |
| 00:13:54 | kergoth | scanline: i'll try that only using erikm's 2.95.3 toolchain as a base instead |
| 00:13:57 | scanline | kergoth: So far it's compiled "hello world" and pgserver successfully, but I haven't tested it extensively |
| 00:14:03 | kergoth | scanline: hm, k |
| 00:14:13 | ljp | so, kergoth;... do those ants on your eth cable amke it a faster network? |
| 00:14:26 | ]DrEvil[ | checks make iptables |
| 00:14:30 | kergoth | ljp: nono i think they're using up bandwidth, the little fuckers |
| 00:14:34 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 00:14:41 | codemnky | desktop filre |
| 00:14:42 | codemnky | file |
| 00:14:46 | codemnky | for addressbook |
| 00:15:00 | kergoth | codemnky: tkdcalander replaces addressbook? |
| 00:15:08 | codemnky | hmm |
| 00:15:14 | whardier | rips a scab away. |
| 00:15:15 | VerxHome | damnit |
| 00:15:16 | VerxHome | brb |
| 00:15:18 | codemnky | i bought both so i guess i got screwed |
| 00:15:27 | ljp | probably downloading ant porn |
| 00:15:50 | kergoth | codemnky: wait, its trying to overwrite tkc's addressbook, or opie-addressbook's .desktop? |
| 00:15:56 | kergoth | ljp: yeah, bastards |
| 00:15:59 | codemnky | same sorta erros |
| 00:16:03 | kergoth | codemnky: ? |
| 00:16:12 | ToyKeeper | yeah, ant porn. They have the wildest orgies. |
| 00:16:15 | whardier | rubs his melon |
| 00:16:17 | codemnky | i can send you these kcompany ipaks |
| 00:16:25 | codemnky | ipkgs |
| 00:16:28 | kergoth | codemnky: none of the tkc apps will install? |
| 00:16:32 | codemnky | do you can test |
| 00:16:35 | codemnky | some yes |
| 00:16:36 | kergoth | codemnky: or are they conflicting with one another? |
| 00:16:42 | codemnky | yes |
| 00:16:48 | codemnky | look like the org |
| 00:16:48 | kergoth | BigBoss: ping |
| 00:16:57 | codemnky | jabber and player installed |
| 00:16:57 | whardier | pOnG! |
| 00:16:58 | Cloudchaser | how are they conflicting codemnky? |
| 00:17:10 | kergoth | codemnky: what is conflicting with what? give me a filename.. something, man.. |
| 00:17:22 | whardier | fires up kinetica |
| 00:17:24 | codemnky | says they already exists from another pack, i tried forced but got the same result |
| 00:17:31 | codemnky | sorry |
| 00:17:36 | whardier | or should I finally finish vagrant story? |
| 00:17:40 | kergoth | argh |
| 00:17:48 | codemnky | i type it but damn irc hide it |
| 00:17:51 | nadav | erm |
| 00:17:58 | kergoth | codemnky: put a space in front of it |
| 00:18:07 | kergoth | codemnky: it stsarts with / so your client thinks its a irc command |
| 00:18:08 | whardier | whats the bitchx command for changing the command char? |
| 00:18:17 | kergoth | dunno |
| 00:18:18 | codemnky | i got it |
| 00:18:21 | nadav | is there a list of working cards other than http://zaurus.knightfire.com/? |
| 00:19:17 | codemnky | /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/addressbook.desktop |
| 00:19:45 | ljp | whardier: probably something like. do it bitch! |
| 00:19:47 | codemnky | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/addressbook |
| 00:20:08 | codemnky | should i remove it first? |
| 00:20:23 | kergoth | codemnky: okay, so you have opie-addressbook installed right now right? |
| 00:20:36 | codemnky | whatever came with OpenZ |
| 00:20:39 | codemnky | 26 |
| 00:20:55 | kergoth | codemnky: and you get those trying to install tkc's addressbook? |
| 00:21:06 | codemnky | right |
| 00:21:07 | kergoth | BigBoss: ping |
| 00:21:18 | codemnky | using openZ package installer |
| 00:21:28 | kergoth | codemnky: okay, so the package is trying to stomp on the existing addressbook. |
| 00:21:33 | kergoth | codemnky: ipkg remove opie-addressbook first |
| 00:21:34 | codemnky | yep |
| 00:21:37 | codemnky | ok |
| 00:21:40 | codemnky | easy enough thx |
| 00:21:43 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:21:43 | kergoth | np |
| 00:21:54 | kergoth | I'll pester shawn about it |
| 00:21:56 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:22:26 | codemnky | where do i find i list of all installed packages |
| 00:22:36 | ljp | kergoth: BB will says its a bug in oz |
| 00:22:43 | kergoth | ljp: well he'd be wrong. |
| 00:22:44 | nadav | anyone ever use samsung or pretec CF? |
| 00:22:52 | nadav | or.. kingston? |
| 00:22:55 | kergoth | ljp: trying to overwrite the existing addressbook is stupid |
| 00:22:59 | nadav | :P |
| 00:23:04 | kergoth | ljp: i mean create your own damn icon, you know? |
| 00:23:04 | ljp | yep. true that |
| 00:23:12 | kergoth | anyway |
| 00:23:17 | jmhodges | hey |
| 00:23:23 | ]DrEvil[ | actually it tries to move the .desktop file somewhere else |
| 00:23:30 | ]DrEvil[ | it shouldn't try to overwrite it |
| 00:23:30 | codemnky | how does one query install paclages |
| 00:23:35 | ljp | he sant me one of that package, and I repackaged it |
| 00:23:36 | codemnky | installed |
| 00:23:38 | ]DrEvil[ | at least not on the Sharp ROM |
| 00:23:40 | jmhodges | what could cause unresolved symbols in usbdnet-standalone?? |
| 00:23:45 | jmhodges | whoops rm a ? |
| 00:23:49 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: thats still stupid ;-) |
| 00:23:52 | Cloudchaser | i want a sharp rom without all those stupid defaults and something useful in their place |
| 00:24:05 | Cloudchaser | or i want oz to work for me :) |
| 00:24:07 | ljp | Cloudchaser: make yer own rom! |
| 00:24:08 | codemnky | you want openZ |
| 00:24:08 | kergoth | jmhodges: you built it against a kernel source tree whose configuration does not match your running kernel. |
| 00:24:10 | ]DrEvil[ | that is EvilROM |
| 00:24:19 | Cloudchaser | codemnky: i do want oz |
| 00:24:20 | ]DrEvil[ | I need to remove ToDo |
| 00:24:21 | ToyKeeper | codemnky: ls /usr/lib/ipkg/info |
| 00:24:22 | jmhodges | kergoth hm.. |
| 00:24:25 | ]DrEvil[ | since that will be out shortly |
| 00:24:36 | ljp | Cloudchaser: for a long time, I had an opie/Sharp hybred rom on my z |
| 00:24:40 | ]DrEvil[ | I even have fbvnc in EvilROM 2.0 |
| 00:24:42 | Cloudchaser | you did? |
| 00:24:47 | codemnky | an i asking a stupid question which is why no one is answering? |
| 00:24:52 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: OpenZaurus 2.x used to be just a hacked up sharp rom. |
| 00:24:56 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: heh :-) |
| 00:25:08 | treke | take out todo? thats the best part of qtopia :) |
| 00:25:13 | codemnky | how do you query all install packages |
| 00:25:15 | kergoth | codemnky: ipkg status; or ipkg info; |
| 00:25:19 | Cloudchaser | its all so confusing |
| 00:25:19 | codemnky | thx |
| 00:25:26 | codemnky | i'm an rpm junkie |
| 00:25:48 | ]DrEvil[ | kergoth |
| 00:25:52 | ]DrEvil[ | how about another one |
| 00:26:08 | ]DrEvil[ | have a check to see what system OZ is being built on |
| 00:26:12 | ]DrEvil[ | RPM or deb |
| 00:26:13 | ToyKeeper | codemnky: ls /usr/lib/ipkg/info will show you what's installed... in a more concise format than "ipkg status". |
| 00:26:15 | treke | BigBoss: sweet. tkcMemo supports using the system wide theme. |
| 00:26:32 | ]DrEvil[ | and make the tool chain get the right stuff from the right place etc |
| 00:26:54 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: hmm.. we wont need that though, because it'll built its own toolchain soon.. |
| 00:27:04 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: i'd rather it not depend on anything in the base system, you know? |
| 00:27:06 | ]DrEvil[ | ahh |
| 00:27:12 | Harlekin | kergoth: why not use the handhelds.org autobuilder |
| 00:27:17 | Harlekin | kergoth: gcc2 and gcc3 |
| 00:27:17 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: just be totally portable and independent of the box its on |
| 00:27:24 | kergoth | Harlekin: what autobuilder/ |
| 00:27:27 | ]DrEvil[ | well on the cross-binutils and the cross-compiler |
| 00:27:36 | Harlekin | kergoth: the new one that is set up right now |
| 00:27:36 | kergoth | Harlekin: last i checked the familiar buildsystem wasnt available yet |
| 00:27:39 | nadav | ok, i'm gonna go sleep |
| 00:27:40 | nadav | later |
| 00:27:42 | Harlekin | kergoth: and ready to go in 2 weeks |
| 00:27:44 | ]DrEvil[ | hrmmm |
| 00:27:47 | kergoth | Harlekin: nick made the cvs available finally? |
| 00:27:48 | ]DrEvil[ | make kismet doesn't work |
| 00:27:53 | kergoth | Harlekin: I've been waiting on him for a while. |
| 00:27:53 | Harlekin | kergoth: not yet |
| 00:27:56 | ]DrEvil[ | checking Linux kernel version... unknown |
| 00:27:56 | ]DrEvil[ | configure: error: cannot determine linux version when cross-compiling |
| 00:28:10 | kergoth | Harlekin: well its my plan to assist nick with its development once he makes the cvs available. |
| 00:28:29 | kergoth | Harlekin: then use it for OZ |
| 00:28:46 | kergoth | Harlekin: but last i heard it was native only, no crosscompile... that correct? |
| 00:29:00 | ]DrEvil[ | why are sharproot and sharprom in the OZ Makefile? |
| 00:29:19 | whardier | anybody else here play kinetica? |
| 00:29:28 | Harlekin | kergoth: think so |
| 00:29:29 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: err, its not in openzaurus.mk... |
| 00:29:40 | ]DrEvil[ | I have a demo of it on my PS2 Jampack |
| 00:29:43 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: but those just download a sharp rom and rip it apart, and loopback mount it |
| 00:29:49 | ]DrEvil[ | ahh |
| 00:29:50 | ]DrEvil[ | ok |
| 00:29:53 | ]DrEvil[ | but why |
| 00:30:10 | DaWorm | killefiz.de/zaurus is down? |
| 00:30:11 | DaWorm | hrrmmm |
| 00:30:19 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: because, you can make sharproot, cp -a build/sharproot root; then bin/build .. it'll produce a new cramfs image from root, iirc |
| 00:30:25 | jmhodges | rebooted.. and nothing changed.. |
| 00:30:29 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: it was to make what you're doing (customizing a sharp rom) easy |
| 00:30:42 | ]DrEvil[ | ahhh |
| 00:30:55 | ]DrEvil[ | will it rip Qtopia out? |
| 00:31:11 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: no, it just splits and mounts.. there's a script in bin/ that produces ipks from the rom |
| 00:31:17 | roge99_laptop | kergoth did you ever update the inird-32 w/ my freset update |
| 00:31:20 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: but that ipk generator doesnt know about certain files |
| 00:31:21 | ]DrEvil[ | ahh ok |
| 00:31:23 | prpplague | argh, with this zaurus tinkering i've totaly made a mess of my homepc rootfs |
| 00:31:36 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: not yet, i'm including that and the reverted security fix so syncing works again in one new initrd soon |
| 00:31:46 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: then ill announce it to the lists, which i didnt do with 2.9.4 |
| 00:31:57 | kergoth | prpplague: doh |
| 00:31:58 | ]DrEvil[ | goes out to paint the computer some more |
| 00:32:12 | roge99_laptop | ahhh ok .... just a pita to flash then have to copy it over and reset again ! |
| 00:32:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:32:43 | roge99_laptop | also im still having that problem with atd |
| 00:32:44 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: ill put hte fix into cvs and into the feed so you can just install the updated oz-base and hit full reset to fix it |
| 00:32:59 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: weird. atd is such a piece of shit. id like to ditch it completely. heh |
| 00:33:11 | roge99_laptop | yea thats what you were saying |
| 00:33:47 | ]DrEvil[ | kergoth: If I rip apart the ipks at the qpe feed, will I get a useable file list? |
| 00:34:38 | ]DrEvil[ | I would like EvilROM to be modular like OZ |
| 00:34:46 | ]DrEvil[ | but using QPE |
| 00:35:54 | ljp | you no likey opie? |
| 00:36:05 | ]DrEvil[ | it is a little incomplete |
| 00:36:14 | ljp | how so? |
| 00:36:19 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: just pester ben to create a backup app :-) |
| 00:36:30 | kergoth | ljp: no easy way to backup/restore data |
| 00:36:41 | ]DrEvil[ | and then there is the debian /etc |
| 00:36:43 | ljp | there's one on killfz whatever |
| 00:36:45 | kergoth | ljp: since ben lost the source to databackup... hehe |
| 00:36:46 | ljp | I mean |
| 00:36:50 | ljp | in the sharp feed |
| 00:36:53 | kergoth | ljp: databackup crashes. |
| 00:36:56 | ]DrEvil[ | it doesn't work on OZ |
| 00:36:59 | ljp | works here |
| 00:37:04 | ljp | yes it does |
| 00:37:14 | ]DrEvil[ | it doesn't for me |
| 00:37:16 | kergoth | ljp: odd, i've never had it actually function on oz |
| 00:37:19 | kergoth | weird |
| 00:37:25 | ]DrEvil[ | I run it and leaves some short file |
| 00:37:35 | ]DrEvil[ | I haven't been able to get it to work right on QPE either |
| 00:37:36 | kergoth | ljp: i mean it runs, but the fucker spontaneously exits on me |
| 00:37:43 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:38:15 | ljp | maybe I used the sharp backup.. I forget |
| 00:38:18 | kergoth | ljp: example.. click restore.. then go to the mediums.. click CF for example, or any other medium that has no backup files on it.. then click the empty box below it. boom. exits. |
| 00:38:25 | kergoth | ljp: etc. |
| 00:38:44 | kergoth | not a big deal for me, because i use scp anyway |
| 00:38:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:38:54 | acf | anyone ever upgrade a tivo? |
| 00:38:57 | kergoth | but users need to backup their data, i think we need a backup/restore app in opie |
| 00:39:03 | ljp | how can someone loose source? I have sources in about 5 different places |
| 00:39:17 | kergoth | ljp: he accidentally wiped his source tree. lost htet source to databackup, and a few other apps |
| 00:39:19 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 00:39:31 | kergoth | ljp: personally, i keep a cvs repos somewhere of every piece of code i'm working on nowadays |
| 00:39:39 | ljp | I _wish_ I could loose some sources |
| 00:39:43 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:40:04 | ljp | I'm sure I have stuff from 1997 |
| 00:40:13 | kergoth | damn |
| 00:40:18 | kergoth | i've lost so many codebases |
| 00:40:20 | kergoth | its nuts |
| 00:40:44 | ljp | I even keep some on zip disks |
| 00:40:51 | angry | :( somebody must set up a bnetd server |
| 00:40:52 | angry | hehe |
| 00:41:29 | ]DrEvil[ | I can't rely on the Z always synching properly |
| 00:41:39 | ]DrEvil[ | so a working backup app is necessary |
| 00:42:04 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: I just uploaded a fixed oz-base ipk to the feed. i did it slightly different than you, but it should work fine. Let me know if it works for you. |
| 00:42:05 | ]DrEvil[ | I have 2 TiVo's that need to be upgraded |
| 00:42:22 | ]DrEvil[ | I want TurboNet and bigger hard drives |
| 00:43:01 | roge99_laptop | ok ill try it now |
| 00:43:13 | Cloudchaser | hmm i can't get to killefiz |
| 00:43:23 | VerxHome | ]DrEvil[: Turbonet? |
| 00:43:28 | ]DrEvil[ | yeah |
| 00:43:33 | ljp | hmm might help if I keep bytes and kilobytes straight... |
| 00:43:39 | ]DrEvil[ | the 100mb ethernet adapter for TiVo |
| 00:43:57 | ]DrEvil[ | TivoNet was only 10mb |
| 00:44:20 | VerxHome | ahh |
| 00:44:33 | VerxHome | assumes it isn't from the Tivo folks |
| 00:44:33 | VerxHome | :) |
| 00:44:39 | ]DrEvil[ | no |
| 00:44:44 | ]DrEvil[ | but it is sorta blessed |
| 00:44:56 | ]DrEvil[ | the 3.0 software recognizes it |
| 00:45:03 | codemnky | nite |
| 00:45:09 | codemnky | this time i mean it |
| 00:45:09 | ]DrEvil[ | and sets up the dail calls to go out over it instead of the modem |
| 00:45:28 | ]DrEvil[ | dial |
| 00:46:11 | ]DrEvil[ | I'll probably upgrade my DirecTivo before I do the stand alone |
| 00:49:31 | roge99_laptop | kergoth ... seems to work |
| 00:57:23 | VerxHome | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.19953.png |
| 00:57:39 | VerxHome | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.21477.png |
| 00:57:58 | VerxHome | can anyone look at those screenshots? |
| 00:58:22 | ][N-Flux | look fine |
| 00:58:25 | ljp | no |
| 00:58:28 | VerxHome | heh |
| 00:58:30 | VerxHome | okie |
| 00:58:30 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: nice |
| 00:58:54 | roge99_laptop | errr ... upgrading is still broke |
| 00:59:05 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:59:17 | roge99_laptop | # ipkg upgrade opie-base |
| 00:59:17 | roge99_laptop | ERROR: The following packages conflict with opie-base: |
| 00:59:17 | roge99_laptop | qpe-base opie-base |
| 00:59:18 | roge99_laptop | # |
| 00:59:25 | DaWorm | Dragon Sheet? |
| 00:59:29 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: stupid shit |
| 00:59:32 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: ipkg bug. |
| 00:59:32 | roge99_laptop | yea |
| 00:59:46 | | roge99_laptop: sorry... |
| 00:59:46 | roge99_laptop | ibot: shoot ipkg |
| 00:59:49 | ljp | VerxHome: looks good! |
| 00:59:50 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: ugh. i'll build the latest ipkg cvs for the next initrd in the hopes that its fixed |
| 01:00:01 | roge99_laptop | ok |
| 01:00:04 | VerxHome | cool ljp, thanks |
| 01:00:04 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:00:15 | roge99_laptop | ill slap my z aroud a bit |
| 01:00:54 | VerxHome | now I have to build my first ipkg |
| 01:00:58 | VerxHome | sweats it a bit |
| 01:02:21 | ljp | use ipkg-build |
| 01:02:31 | treke|home | hmm. anyone ordered the G2 screen protectors before? how long do they normally take for shipping? |
| 01:02:32 | VerxHome | I was going to do it manually |
| 01:02:37 | VerxHome | so I can learn a bit more about it |
| 01:02:46 | ljp | if you use ipkg-build it wil ltell you whats wrong |
| 01:02:54 | VerxHome | he |
| 01:03:01 | VerxHome | well, I was hoping not to have anything wrong |
| 01:03:02 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:03:03 | treke|home | VerxHome: ipkgs made by hand tend to be b0rked :) |
| 01:03:04 | ljp | trust me |
| 01:03:11 | VerxHome | oooook |
| 01:03:25 | ljp | you'll learn faster using ipkg-build |
| 01:03:28 | VerxHome | hehehe |
| 01:03:45 | VerxHome | does ipkg build have to run on the ipaq? |
| 01:03:48 | VerxHome | (or Z)? |
| 01:04:12 | ljp | on the desktop |
| 01:04:22 | VerxHome | is there a debian package of it |
| 01:04:26 | VerxHome | or how do I get it? |
| 01:04:35 | | rumour has it ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 01:04:35 | ljp | ibot: ipkg |
| 01:04:55 | ljp | in one of those things |
| 01:05:01 | VerxHome | treke: Did you look at my screenshots? |
| 01:05:03 | VerxHome | on scap? |
| 01:05:10 | VerxHome | there are new ones with the graphics |
| 01:05:20 | VerxHome | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.19953.png |
| 01:05:23 | VerxHome | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.21477.png |
| 01:05:51 | angry | sweet verx! |
| 01:05:51 | scanline | is away: cleaning my room, brb (taking WOPN with me on my Zaurus :) |
| 01:06:07 | DaWorm | Dragon Sheet? |
| 01:06:14 | DaWorm | a pen n dice system? |
| 01:06:15 | VerxHome | thanks angry |
| 01:06:25 | treke|home | VerxHome: nice images |
| 01:06:28 | VerxHome | DaWorm: It is a character sheet for people that play pen and paper |
| 01:06:36 | VerxHome | treke: I spent about 4 hours on it |
| 01:06:41 | VerxHome | I was hoping people would like them |
| 01:06:50 | DaWorm | hell i can use something like that |
| 01:06:51 | treke|home | points out that full screen splash screens are one of his tkc gripes |
| 01:06:55 | DaWorm | gimme gimme |
| 01:06:55 | ljp | try 4*8 hours |
| 01:07:10 | VerxHome | treke: Mine too. I intend to provide a version with and without |
| 01:07:20 | DaWorm | works fine in qpe? |
| 01:07:22 | treke|home | VerxHome: Why is dragon sheet on the tkc tab? |
| 01:07:23 | VerxHome | treke: But since it is for the challenge, I wanted it to LOOK especially good |
| 01:07:26 | VerxHome | DaWorm: Yup |
| 01:07:43 | ljp | dont you have to pick from alist? |
| 01:07:47 | VerxHome | treke: heheh, my tkc tab is for "junk I usually don't use and won't mind if it is deleted" |
| 01:07:49 | DaWorm | nice nice |
| 01:07:53 | treke|home | hahaha |
| 01:08:03 | VerxHome | that's why it is there |
| 01:08:31 | VerxHome | ljp: Were you talking to me? |
| 01:08:40 | BigBoss | verx: you dissing us? |
| 01:08:42 | VerxHome | I didn't know what you were talking about picking from a list |
| 01:08:46 | VerxHome | BigBoss: Hardly |
| 01:08:48 | DaWorm | i wish i could learn to program in the zaurus i got a lot of ideas going into me |
| 01:08:53 | kergoth | BigBoss: why does your addressbook try to replace the built in one? |
| 01:08:57 | VerxHome | BigBoss: I put your apps in my Applications tab |
| 01:09:05 | VerxHome | and all the stuff I am beta testing or working on |
| 01:09:09 | VerxHome | I put in the tkcApplications tab |
| 01:09:10 | kergoth | BigBoss: ipkg/C doesnt allow package conflicts.. it refuses to let you overwrite the addressbook in OZ |
| 01:09:24 | VerxHome | every time I install a tkc beta, it recreates that tab, so I decided to stop fighting it |
| 01:09:26 | VerxHome | and I use it for junk |
| 01:09:28 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:09:38 | angry | VerxHome: how'd you get screen shots w/o a Z? |
| 01:09:47 | VerxHome | angry: It runs on my iPAQ |
| 01:09:53 | angry | VerxHome: oh, cool |
| 01:10:00 | VerxHome | Shawn: You understand now? |
| 01:10:13 | warmi | re |
| 01:10:14 | VerxHome | look at the screenshot, you will see what I mean: |
| 01:10:21 | VerxHome | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.19953.png |
| 01:10:24 | VerxHome | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.21477.png |
| 01:11:09 | VerxHome | looks at BigBoss |
| 01:11:11 | treke|home | hehe, tabs are a pain in the ass |
| 01:11:11 | angry | VerxHome: you should incorporate from random character stat generation :) |
| 01:11:14 | qurve | Yo angry |
| 01:11:16 | qurve | Get this |
| 01:11:17 | angry | s/from/some |
| 01:11:24 | qurve | I was fucking around with my SanDisk 128mb |
| 01:11:26 | VerxHome | angry: That is a most excellent idea |
| 01:11:27 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:11:27 | qurve | And I can read/write on it |
| 01:11:39 | angry | qurve: you fixed it? |
| 01:11:41 | qurve | It's just that you have to do it manually or something |
| 01:11:43 | qurve | I dunno |
| 01:11:45 | qurve | i can do like |
| 01:11:53 | qurve | cd /usr/mnt.rom/card/ |
| 01:11:58 | qurve | echo "hi" > blah.txt |
| 01:12:03 | qurve | then I can create a .desktop file for it |
| 01:12:07 | qurve | and it'll work fine |
| 01:12:31 | | i think ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 01:12:31 | VerxHome | ibot, ipkg |
| 01:12:34 | angry | maybe you could make a shell program that would do that to all the files automatically or something |
| 01:12:35 | warmi | VerxHome: great graphics |
| 01:12:36 | angry | that'd be hard though |
| 01:12:41 | VerxHome | warmi: Thanks man |
| 01:12:46 | qurve | im going ot write a perl script to do it |
| 01:12:54 | angry | qurve: good idea |
| 01:12:59 | qurve | Im gonna try figuring out why you can't simply write to it over FTP though |
| 01:13:04 | qurve | I have to play more |
| 01:13:10 | qurve | But i *do* have a file written to it |
| 01:13:17 | angry | qurve: sweet |
| 01:13:18 | qurve | system info says there is 338k in use |
| 01:14:05 | qurve | uh |
| 01:14:06 | qurve | wtf |
| 01:14:07 | qurve | ok |
| 01:14:09 | qurve | something is fucked |
| 01:14:12 | warmi | VerxHome: have you thought about using some sort of cool RPG image as a background even for your entry screens ? |
| 01:14:30 | VerxHome | warmi: Hrm. Can I do that? |
| 01:14:47 | VerxHome | warmi: do you have a screenshot of something similar? |
| 01:14:53 | qurve | ok |
| 01:14:54 | qurve | this is weird |
| 01:15:01 | VerxHome | I haven't ever seen a graphic behind Qt/E widgets before |
| 01:15:05 | | i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 01:15:05 | angry | ibot, zsi |
| 01:15:11 | angry | AHHH KILLEFIZ IS DOWN!!! |
| 01:15:19 | warmi | hmm .. no screenshot |
| 01:15:20 | DaWorm | yeah sucks inst it |
| 01:15:31 | warmi | but basically , instead of having solid color background |
| 01:15:42 | warmi | call setBackgroundPixmap(...) on your widget |
| 01:15:45 | qurve | angry |
| 01:15:47 | DaWorm | how about just having icons beside the forms and stuff |
| 01:15:48 | VerxHome | warmi: I didn't know you could do that |
| 01:15:48 | qurve | tell me what you make of this |
| 01:15:55 | qurve | # cd /usr/mnt.rom/card |
| 01:15:55 | qurve | # ls -l |
| 01:15:55 | qurve | drwxr-xr-x 0 root root 0 Jul 31 23:31 Documents |
| 01:15:55 | qurve | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 16384 Jul 31 17:19 QtPalmtop |
| 01:15:55 | qurve | drwxr-xr-x 0 root root 0 Jul 31 23:56 application |
| 01:15:55 | qurve | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Aug 1 02:06 blah.txt |
| 01:16:03 | VerxHome | warmi: So I could do that on like a button group? |
| 01:16:05 | qurve | # cd Documents |
| 01:16:06 | qurve | # ls -l |
| 01:16:06 | qurve | drwxr-xr-x 0 root root 0 Jul 31 23:31 Documents |
| 01:16:06 | qurve | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 16384 Jul 31 17:19 QtPalmtop |
| 01:16:06 | qurve | drwxr-xr-x 0 root root 0 Jul 31 23:56 application |
| 01:16:07 | qurve | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Aug 1 02:06 blah.txt |
| 01:16:08 | Cloudchaser | angry: yes i can't get to it either |
| 01:16:10 | qurve | (and so on) |
| 01:16:12 | warmi | one sec |
| 01:16:22 | qurve | there are an infinite number of directories within each directory |
| 01:16:26 | qurve | heh |
| 01:16:37 | kergoth | qurve: #flood exists for a reason |
| 01:16:54 | angry | hrmm |
| 01:17:02 | angry | thats really weird |
| 01:17:12 | qurve | ls -lR /usr/mnt.rom/card goes on forever. |
| 01:17:15 | ljp | if there are recursive file/directories.. better fsk it |
| 01:17:20 | ljp | fsck |
| 01:17:31 | warmi | VerxHome: I don't know how your app works .. but just for the heck of it .. you can try to use void QWidget::setBackgroundPixmap ( const QPixmap & pixmap ) [virtual] |
| 01:17:43 | warmi | on your parent widget that holds all the controls |
| 01:17:47 | warmi | :-) |
| 01:17:52 | VerxHome | hehehe, ok |
| 01:18:02 | qurve | ljp, how would I simply format the SD card from the zaurus cmdline? |
| 01:18:16 | VerxHome | I suspect that I will need a graphic that won't look horrible with widgets on top of it |
| 01:18:34 | warmi | yeah .. something subdued |
| 01:18:50 | warmi | but still within the graphic theme established by your opening screen |
| 01:19:06 | warmi | this is all imho of course |
| 01:19:12 | warmi | your apps looks good as it is |
| 01:19:26 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 01:19:30 | warmi | hi tux |
| 01:19:31 | ljp | you'd do mkdosfs /mnt/card I think |
| 01:19:39 | VerxHome | tjamls a ;pt war,o |
| 01:19:41 | VerxHome | er |
| 01:19:44 | VerxHome | thanks a lot warmi |
| 01:19:47 | tux_mike | still no news, for good or ill? |
| 01:19:54 | VerxHome | that feels really good coming from you |
| 01:19:55 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:20:12 | warmi | tux_mike: no news .. but I haven't really asked .. I will let you know soon |
| 01:20:21 | tux_mike | cool |
| 01:20:29 | warmi | on the other hand I think when he gets the green light |
| 01:20:34 | tux_mike | is still exhausted from the con last weekend |
| 01:20:36 | warmi | he will approach you directly |
| 01:20:41 | DaWorm | its /dev/mmcda1 with the card unmounted |
| 01:20:42 | warmi | but it never hurts to ask |
| 01:20:49 | tux_mike | i figured that too :0 |
| 01:21:14 | qurve | ljp |
| 01:21:19 | qurve | would it be mkdosfs /dev/mtdblock1 rather? |
| 01:21:50 | warmi | VerxHome: are you going to make your app available ? |
| 01:21:59 | warmi | I mean .. like free .. :-) |
| 01:21:59 | qurve | er |
| 01:22:01 | qurve | wrong dev |
| 01:22:03 | qurve | heh |
| 01:22:04 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 01:22:08 | VerxHome | it is going to be GPL |
| 01:22:11 | warmi | ah ok |
| 01:22:29 | VerxHome | why? |
| 01:22:32 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 01:22:32 | kaygee | ibot feed |
| 01:22:43 | warmi | VerxHome: just asking |
| 01:23:23 | qurve | Ahh elite, that worked |
| 01:23:26 | qurve | thanks ljp |
| 01:24:03 | qurve | Oh elite |
| 01:24:08 | qurve | I can upload to the card over FTP now |
| 01:24:50 | ljp | how do tv ever get so frickin bad?! |
| 01:24:55 | ljp | how did even |
| 01:25:10 | prpplague | ljp: stupid shows for stupid ppl |
| 01:25:13 | qurve | Been that way for a while. |
| 01:25:31 | ljp | ya.. ever since they cancelled Gilligans Island ! ;) |
| 01:25:55 | jmhodges | ljp: theres still PBS and west wing :/ |
| 01:26:10 | ljp | true.. and Futurama |
| 01:26:24 | noda | And the Simpsons :) (wish Seinfeld were still around, too...) |
| 01:26:32 | ljp | these stupid 'reality' shows suck |
| 01:26:56 | jmhodges | ljp: indeed |
| 01:27:25 | jmhodges | also Invader Zim, Sealab 2021, Mission Hill, Aqua Teen Hunger Force are good ;) |
| 01:28:03 | qurve | Hrm |
| 01:28:08 | qurve | I think I just fucked my zaurus :] |
| 01:28:12 | DaWorm | Sealab |
| 01:28:19 | qurve | Sealab is funny as hell |
| 01:28:20 | DaWorm | I remember that show |
| 01:28:22 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 01:28:55 | jmhodges | Sunday Nights Adult Swim.. goddamn is that awesome |
| 01:29:14 | jmhodges | course Zim is not in that line up |
| 01:30:37 | ljp | qurve: you just got the sd working.. ?? wtf how did you mess your Z? |
| 01:30:54 | qurve | weee |
| 01:30:57 | qurve | I dunno |
| 01:31:00 | qurve | I got the sd formatted |
| 01:31:13 | qurve | i echo'd into a file to test (it worked) |
| 01:31:20 | qurve | so I tried uploading an Mp3 to the card over FTP |
| 01:31:25 | qurve | And it froze half-way through |
| 01:31:29 | qurve | now the interface is frozen |
| 01:31:33 | qurve | I can telnet in but I can't do anything |
| 01:31:40 | noda | qurve: Flick the switch off and on again :) |
| 01:31:44 | qurve | I tried shutdown -r but it starts the reboot then hangs |
| 01:31:53 | qurve | noda the battery switch? |
| 01:31:58 | noda | Yeah |
| 01:32:01 | qurve | (not the full reset) |
| 01:32:04 | qurve | That works? |
| 01:32:06 | noda | No, not the full reset :) |
| 01:32:11 | qurve | Heh |
| 01:32:13 | qurve | Man |
| 01:32:17 | noda | Erm. Well, I have problems sometimes when uploading files, and that fixes it. |
| 01:32:17 | qurve | I didn't know that worked |
| 01:32:45 | qurve | I didn't know you could turn it off that way. |
| 01:32:50 | qurve | That just made my day. |
| 01:32:53 | noda | I think it's something wrong with qtopia or something... I've found I get the most success when uploading 2 MP3's at once or fewer. If I take 15 it crashes for sure :) |
| 01:32:54 | noda | Heh :) |
| 01:33:09 | qurve | I'm just amazed that I got the sd card working |
| 01:33:23 | qurve | (SanDisk 128mb) |
| 01:33:30 | noda | Do SD cards work under Opie? |
| 01:33:38 | jmhodges | yes |
| 01:34:06 | noda | Ooh, neat. I gotta try opie some day soon :) |
| 01:34:58 | noda | If I were to get a large (256/512MB) memory card, should it be CF or SD? :) |
| 01:35:01 | qurve | ! |
| 01:35:05 | qurve | I got it working :D |
| 01:35:09 | noda | yay! :) |
| 01:35:26 | qurve | i did echo "hi" > /mnt/card/blah.txt |
| 01:35:28 | qurve | unmounted it |
| 01:35:30 | qurve | mounted it |
| 01:35:35 | qurve | and it put an icon in the documents tab |
| 01:35:44 | qurve | Now to try and get some files on it |
| 01:36:38 | warmi | see you later |
| 01:39:13 | noda | Is there any way to get colourful directory listings on my Zaurus, with the default Terminal program? :) |
| 01:39:18 | qurve | hrm |
| 01:39:22 | noda | Or through Telnet... |
| 01:39:23 | qurve | now its not letting me write to it again |
| 01:39:31 | qurve | noda you'd need a shell that does that. |
| 01:40:01 | noda | bash doesn't do it? |
| 01:40:05 | scanline | is back (gone 00:34:14) |
| 01:40:23 | kergoth | noda: install a version of ls that supports color output. |
| 01:40:30 | kergoth | noda: the sharp rom uses an ancient version of busybox |
| 01:40:37 | kergoth | noda: installing the latest busybox ipk would do it. |
| 01:40:59 | noda | Ooh, sounds perfect. Will search for it :) |
| 01:41:08 | kergoth | noda: its on ZSI, though someone said it was down atm |
| 01:41:36 | noda | Hehehe, just my luck :) |
| 01:41:42 | qurve | ok |
| 01:41:45 | qurve | this is strange |
| 01:41:48 | qurve | if I mount the sd card |
| 01:41:51 | qurve | it mounts read/write |
| 01:42:03 | qurve | but as soon as I try to move a file to it using the Documents tab |
| 01:42:08 | qurve | it comes up remounted as read only |
| 01:42:12 | qurve | *scratches head* |
| 01:43:02 | noda | How long has the zaurus software index been doen? :) |
| 01:43:06 | noda | s/doen/down/ |
| 01:43:18 | qurve | few hours at least |
| 01:43:57 | treke|home | most of the day |
| 01:44:08 | noda | Guess I'll have to find another source then :) |
| 01:44:23 | treke|home | it'll be back |
| 01:44:42 | noda | Ooh, there's vim on the Zaurus! :) |
| 01:45:04 | noda | always gets kinda excited when he goes browsing packages on the 'net |
| 01:46:13 | qurve | Ah well |
| 01:46:16 | qurve | It fucked up again. |
| 01:46:26 | ljp | thinks vim is over rated |
| 01:46:28 | qurve | It keeps creating recursive directories when it gets mounted. |
| 01:46:34 | qurve | This is fucked up :] |
| 01:46:38 | qurve | They better fix this shit. |
| 01:46:39 | noda | thinks vim is *under*-rated. |
| 01:46:41 | qurve | Heh. |
| 01:46:45 | noda | Best IDE around :) |
| 01:48:34 | ljp | for you maybe |
| 01:49:03 | noda | Yep :) |
| 01:49:13 | qurve | sits |
| 01:49:14 | qurve | ;\ |
| 01:49:23 | arrrg | whoa I just got a zaurus |
| 01:49:40 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:49:41 | whardier | ____ ___ ____ _ ___ _____ _ _ _ ___ ____ _____ |
| 01:49:41 | whardier | | _ \_ _/ ___| |/ / | | ____| | | | | |_ _/ ___| ____| |
| 01:49:41 | whardier | | |_) | | | | ' /| | | _| _ | | | | || | | | _| |
| 01:49:41 | whardier | | __/| | |___| . \| |___| |__| |_| | |_| || | |___| |___ |
| 01:49:41 | whardier | |_| |___\____|_|\_\_____|_____\___/ \___/|___\____|_____| |
| 01:49:41 | whardier | |
| 01:49:45 | ljp | gak |
| 01:49:48 | whardier | looooves van holten pickles |
| 01:49:48 | prpplague | whardier: cute |
| 01:49:52 | noda | Incredibly fast, no-nonsense, no-mouse, no-extra-keypresses, just about every language, visual mode... I love it :) |
| 01:49:54 | ljp | #flood is there for a reason |
| 01:49:58 | DaWorm | vim for Z is huge |
| 01:49:58 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 01:50:06 | prpplague | speak of pickles and he arrives, howdy BZFlag |
| 01:50:13 | whardier | heh |
| 01:50:13 | BZFlag | argh... how does netmonapplet know when to show() and when to hide() ? =( |
| 01:50:16 | whardier | haha |
| 01:50:19 | noda | Yeah. Apparently it's mostly syntax files though. So you could delete the ones you don't need :) |
| 01:50:21 | BZFlag | feels pickled. |
| 01:50:23 | whardier | I didn't say picklejuice three times |
| 01:50:31 | prpplague | whardier: lol |
| 01:50:34 | ljp | I dont want a pickle.. just want to ride on a motorcickle |
| 01:50:35 | whardier | he is not the real picklemonster |
| 01:50:54 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:50:58 | whardier | oh dear lord I love pickles |
| 01:51:05 | jmhodges | i hate pickles |
| 01:51:11 | whardier | looove |
| 01:51:12 | prpplague | votes the #zaurus as the most odd channel he's ever been on |
| 01:51:14 | ljp | pickles tickle |
| 01:51:24 | qurve | Yo |
| 01:51:32 | qurve | Anyone else have any type of sd card in here? |
| 01:51:34 | qurve | (working) |
| 01:51:35 | noda | prpplague: Hang around #flood, it's quite odd too :P |
| 01:51:52 | prpplague | noda: i bet |
| 01:52:10 | ljp | has had too many floats today |
| 01:52:56 | qurve | Does the zaurus normally try to create a directory structure on an sd card? |
| 01:53:09 | noda | Probably, it does on my CF card |
| 01:53:26 | qurve | Does it try to make it like the /home/root directory? |
| 01:53:32 | qurve | It creates a Documents folder on it |
| 01:53:36 | noda | Does for my CF card :) |
| 01:53:39 | dremspider | I love my Zaurus |
| 01:53:40 | qurve | (with a Documents folder in that, and in that and in that) |
| 01:53:41 | qurve | and so on. |
| 01:53:47 | qurve | It's strange as hell |
| 01:53:55 | qurve | if I create /mnt/card/blah.txt |
| 01:53:56 | noda | Yeah, I'd prefer if it left my files alone. |
| 01:54:02 | qurve | the next time I put it in |
| 01:54:07 | dremspider | , but MAzingo stncs incredibally slow, anyone know why. |
| 01:54:09 | dremspider | ? |
| 01:54:09 | qurve | it creates like a million more blah.txts |
| 01:54:12 | qurve | recursively |
| 01:54:16 | ljp | needs an FPU implanted in his brain |
| 01:54:35 | dremspider | syncs not stncs |
| 01:54:38 | Wembly | ljp: you too huh? |
| 01:55:03 | ljp | ya.. math is not my forte |
| 01:55:07 | dremspider | any viruses for the zaurus yet? |
| 01:55:28 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:55:52 | dremspider | I am just curious |
| 01:55:52 | noda | Nobody writes Linux viruses since they're so futile (though the Zaurus would be the exception, but demography would convince people to code for Windows anyway) |
| 01:55:54 | acf | who needs a virus when there's no root password? |
| 01:56:02 | noda | lol |
| 01:56:10 | dremspider | true |
| 01:56:28 | dremspider | can you set up multiple users on the zaurus |
| 01:56:46 | noda | There are a few root vulnerabilities. So when I see someone pick up my Zaurus, put it onto a cradle and try to hack into it, I'll have no way of knowing he's hacking my system... |
| 01:57:07 | qurve | I've noticed it's basically impossible to add another user normally |
| 01:57:15 | acf | qurve: /etc/passwd? |
| 01:57:19 | qurve | Yeah |
| 01:57:23 | acf | or /home/etc/passwd, i guess |
| 01:57:25 | qurve | but where do you put their home directory? |
| 01:57:40 | ljp | openzaurus is more secure at this point |
| 01:57:56 | qurve | I haven't played with OZ yet |
| 01:58:01 | kergoth | but not by much, yet |
| 01:58:02 | qurve | I'm always skeptical of things |
| 01:58:04 | kergoth | hheh |
| 01:58:05 | qurve | (probably with no reason) |
| 01:58:06 | dremspider | I can do the adduser command and all it does is gives them a home directory, you can switch to them, but it doesnt make a difference, every1 can see every1s files |
| 01:58:07 | ljp | and the sharp rom.. ports 4242 and 4243 are wide open |
| 01:58:23 | acf | dremspider: change permissions on the directories |
| 01:58:32 | ljp | 4243 is the nasty one that no 'security review' even mentioned |
| 01:58:41 | dremspider | that command is in their |
| 01:58:43 | kergoth | dremspider: being able to see the files doesnt mean you can alter them. and as acf says, just change permissions to make it behave the way you like |
| 01:58:44 | dremspider | ch mod |
| 01:59:06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:59:07 | acf | whats 4243? i know 4242 is ftp |
| 01:59:08 | kergoth | i should eat. |
| 01:59:12 | qurve | So how different is OZ from the sharp from? |
| 01:59:14 | kergoth | i havent eaten dinner yet |
| 01:59:16 | dremspider | I dont know why I would do it, but hey.... |
| 01:59:22 | qurve | What are the advantages/disadvantages |
| 01:59:30 | qurve | (or can you point me to some literature) |
| 01:59:51 | kergoth | qurve: writeable root filesystem, opie rather than qtopia, no symlink madness in the filesystem, more flexibility with regard to memory/ramdisk ratio |
| 01:59:55 | ljp | someone really needs to have an openzaurus faq |
| 01:59:59 | kergoth | qurve: doesnt have java, hancom, or opera by deafult |
| 02:00:06 | kergoth | ljp: yes, i should write docs |
| 02:00:15 | qurve | Hrm |
| 02:00:19 | kergoth | ljp: but i hate doing docs as much as you do, i'm certain |
| 02:00:19 | qurve | So I'd lose the hancom apps |
| 02:00:21 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:00:21 | ljp | just swipe stuff from here.. ;) |
| 02:00:22 | qurve | That's no good. |
| 02:00:34 | kergoth | qurve: ben meyer wrote a script to create an ipk for the hancom apps from your sharp rom |
| 02:00:38 | kergoth | qurve: that you can install into oz |
| 02:00:39 | ljp | hey.. I did manage to write one page of a help doc! |
| 02:00:42 | qurve | Oh, I heard about that. |
| 02:00:46 | kergoth | ljp: hehe. nice. |
| 02:00:56 | kergoth | qurve: opera and java scripts are likely coming |
| 02:01:13 | ljp | ya, I emailed benmeyer the file list and for qtmail also |
| 02:01:30 | dremspider | the hancom office is SWEET!!! |
| 02:01:40 | dremspider | A lot better than pocketword |
| 02:01:47 | dremspider | You know though |
| 02:01:54 | noda | I don't like that mail program that comes with the Zaurus... it *downloads* all my *IMAP* messages. The whole point of IMAP is that you don't have to download. Is there a better client? :) |
| 02:02:18 | ljp | true.. opiemail will be good.. once it gets fixed |
| 02:02:34 | qurve | I've noticed the mail client doesnt do SSL pop3 either :\ |
| 02:02:37 | qurve | That sucked. |
| 02:02:40 | dremspider | I work in business machines at staples, and I was always reluctantto push a Zaurus, I thought it would be hard for you "average user" |
| 02:02:44 | qurve | My mailserver only does SSL pop3 |
| 02:02:56 | dremspider | But now that I got one , I realized that it isn't |
| 02:03:03 | kergoth | dremspider: sharp hasnt marketed it well |
| 02:03:10 | noda | dremspider: Turns out to be just as easy as PocketPC. And crashes slightly less :) |
| 02:03:15 | kergoth | dremspider: they should have people out at staples and other stores training the salespeople |
| 02:03:26 | kergoth | dremspider: and handling out literature and free pens and shit |
| 02:03:26 | noda | Yeah, and I really don't understand reviews. People see "Linux" and immediately write that the Zaurus is more confusing. |
| 02:03:31 | arrrg | I got a 64mb sandisk |
| 02:03:33 | arrrg | is that good? |
| 02:03:40 | arrrg | or are they bad |
| 02:03:46 | dremspider | In fact it is extremely easy |
| 02:04:21 | qurve | Ok |
| 02:04:22 | qurve | Well |
| 02:04:25 | dremspider | , but if you want it can be extremely challenging if you want to get in deep, which is what I like |
| 02:04:26 | kergoth | noda: they dont need to write that, there are legitimate complaints they could write instead ;-) |
| 02:04:40 | kergoth | dremspider: well they dont sacrifice power for ease of use |
| 02:04:40 | qurve | arrrg, better luck with your 64mb than my 128mb |
| 02:04:42 | dremspider | I dont know why they don't |
| 02:04:46 | dremspider | HP does it |
| 02:04:48 | noda | agrees. |
| 02:05:00 | dremspider | So does a lot of other companies |
| 02:05:31 | dremspider | The only problem I have benn having is VERY slow Mazingo sync times |
| 02:05:53 | noda | Does Mazingo work with Linux? :) |
| 02:06:02 | qurve | Thanks everyone |
| 02:06:11 | arrrg | so I just pop the SD in the zaurus and it's good to go? |
| 02:06:17 | noda | arrrg: Yeah :) |
| 02:06:26 | VerxHome | well |
| 02:06:32 | VerxHome | I just wrote my own ipk make script |
| 02:06:38 | VerxHome | tries it out |
| 02:06:44 | dremspider | I assumed it would be confusing, which is fine, because I wanted that, but this is just as easy as my palm |
| 02:06:50 | kergoth | VerxHome: eh, why? use ipkg-build |
| 02:07:06 | VerxHome | I was trying to understand ipks better |
| 02:07:08 | VerxHome | that's all |
| 02:07:08 | dremspider | The only reason I crack open the terminal is to unzip |
| 02:07:10 | kergoth | dremspider: yep. like i said, sharp hasnt done anything to get rid of people's preconceptions like that, and its unfortunate. |
| 02:07:10 | ljp | VerxHome: you'd be better with ipkg-build |
| 02:07:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: use ipkg-build. |
| 02:07:24 | VerxHome | heh |
| 02:07:29 | VerxHome | well, lemme try it at least |
| 02:07:41 | kergoth | VerxHome: ipkg is an easy format. you'll learn better and faster with ipkg-build cause it'll catch your screwups |
| 02:07:42 | ljp | whats there to understand? its tarballs inside a tarball |
| 02:07:47 | kergoth | exactly |
| 02:07:51 | dremspider | they need more advertising |
| 02:07:57 | VerxHome | kergoth: I do have one question |
| 02:07:59 | kergoth | its the control file that can be a pain, and ipkg-build catches problems there. |
| 02:08:03 | ljp | with e CONTROL file an dmaybe a script or two |
| 02:08:11 | noda | Sharp doesn't even sell the Zaurus in Canada. That's a major turn-off :) |
| 02:08:13 | kergoth | dremspider: yep. they arent marketing it well. |
| 02:08:20 | VerxHome | when you make an ipkg your way |
| 02:08:29 | dremspider | They are in Japan |
| 02:08:34 | VerxHome | what is the path used for data? |
| 02:08:47 | ljp | noda: thats because of customs hassles, like having to having two language supported |
| 02:08:52 | kergoth | VerxHome: hm? |
| 02:08:56 | dremspider | They expected to roll in and dominate the American market |
| 02:09:02 | VerxHome | kergoth: I appears that data SHOULD point to |
| 02:09:09 | VerxHome | ./opt/QtPalmtop/....... |
| 02:09:13 | kergoth | VerxHome: you create a dir that contains a CONTROL dir and the data in the paths they belong in |
| 02:09:14 | noda | ljp: Oh yeah, Canada kinda sucks that way :P |
| 02:09:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: place the control file into CONTROL |
| 02:09:20 | dremspider | All they need to do is look at the fun M$ is having w/ the XBox |
| 02:09:27 | kergoth | VerxHome: then run ipkg-build /path/to/that/dir/you/just/created |
| 02:09:44 | VerxHome | but on some apps seem to use /opt/Qtopia |
| 02:09:47 | VerxHome | I was just curious why |
| 02:09:48 | kergoth | VerxHome: so? |
| 02:09:58 | kergoth | VerxHome: all qtopia apps bin their binaries in /opt/QtPalmtop |
| 02:10:03 | kergoth | VerxHome: well, they shoudl anyway |
| 02:10:08 | VerxHome | yeah, they should |
| 02:10:09 | noda | Hrm. Konqueror is a pretty good FTP client :) |
| 02:10:09 | VerxHome | some don |
| 02:10:10 | VerxHome | t |
| 02:10:13 | kergoth | VerxHome: OZ has both /opt/Qtopia and /opt/Qtpalmtop |
| 02:10:17 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:10:18 | kergoth | VerxHome: they're just symlinked :-) |
| 02:10:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: thats how i deal with the situation, personally |
| 02:10:30 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh things are finally starting to pull together on the x build |
| 02:10:35 | kergoth | prpplague: nice. |
| 02:11:11 | kergoth | man, i'm so lazy |
| 02:11:15 | VerxHome | same here kergoth |
| 02:11:21 | VerxHome | just was wondering what was more "proper" |
| 02:11:22 | acf | hi verx |
| 02:11:27 | kergoth | i feel like staying hungry instead of cooking |
| 02:11:28 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:11:35 | VerxHome | howdy acf |
| 02:11:55 | sjohnson | prpplague: Have you been able to build Xfbdev from CVS and make it work? |
| 02:12:30 | kergoth | man, i wish i had some frozen pizza |
| 02:12:35 | kergoth | i have nothing thats quick to cook |
| 02:12:41 | prpplague | sjohnson: not from cvs, i'm still on 4.1 |
| 02:12:42 | kergoth | grumbles and gets up and starts cooking |
| 02:12:44 | dremspider | any1 know of a free text editor with syntax highlighting for C++ |
| 02:12:51 | prpplague | sjohnson: but its stable and seems run well |
| 02:12:58 | noda | dremspider: vim! vim.sf.net |
| 02:12:59 | kergoth | dremspider: tkc's editor, or vim |
| 02:13:02 | kergoth | vim rocks |
| 02:13:12 | kergoth | dremspider: also, mark started porting kvim to qtopia |
| 02:13:17 | VerxHome | what permissions should .ipk files themselves have? |
| 02:13:24 | dremspider | tkc is not free |
| 02:13:25 | kergoth | VerxHome: who cares? |
| 02:13:33 | kergoth | dremspider: ah i missed htat part. use vim. |
| 02:13:33 | noda | Huge learning curve, but once you've learned 10% of the commands you're in heaven :) |
| 02:13:36 | VerxHome | kergoth: Just wondered what convention was |
| 02:13:53 | dremspider | Where can I get vim for the zaurus |
| 02:13:54 | kergoth | VerxHome: uhh.. dood as soon as you email me the ipk the permissions on the ipk itself are irrelevant. |
| 02:13:56 | VerxHome | I was gonna do 644 |
| 02:14:02 | VerxHome | I know |
| 02:14:04 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:14:05 | kergoth | VerxHome: unless you mean the permissions on the files within the ipk.. |
| 02:14:10 | noda | dremspider: Do a google search on it :) |
| 02:14:22 | kergoth | VerxHome: files within the ipk you generally want owned by root/root |
| 02:14:34 | VerxHome | yeah, that I have all correct |
| 02:14:45 | kergoth | good good |
| 02:14:51 | VerxHome | ok, me tries installing his fresh made ipk |
| 02:14:56 | kergoth | good luck |
| 02:15:43 | sjohnson | prpplague: Have you managed to find the source code to zapmd and ztsd ? |
| 02:15:47 | kergoth | man, i cant seem to motivate myself to code tonight |
| 02:16:05 | kergoth | odd |
| 02:16:05 | VerxHome | cool |
| 02:16:09 | VerxHome | it installed without issue |
| 02:16:13 | VerxHome | sh-2.03# ipkg install dragonsheet.ipk |
| 02:16:13 | VerxHome | Installing dragonsheet (0.7.1) |
| 02:16:13 | VerxHome | Configuring dragonsheet...Done |
| 02:16:17 | VerxHome | and it ran perfect too |
| 02:16:18 | VerxHome | woohoo! |
| 02:16:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: nice, now ditch your util and start using ipkg-build |
| 02:16:23 | kergoth | VerxHome: :-P |
| 02:16:26 | jmhodges | dragonsheet VerxHome? |
| 02:16:26 | VerxHome | can make his own ipkgs |
| 02:16:29 | VerxHome | kergoth: I will |
| 02:16:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:16:32 | VerxHome | jmhodges: Yeah |
| 02:16:32 | dremspider | a hefty 3.5 |
| 02:16:32 | kergoth | good |
| 02:16:43 | dremspider | Is vim a terminal based app |
| 02:16:45 | dremspider | ? |
| 02:16:47 | VerxHome | kergoth: I just wanted to make sure I understood it well enough to do it myself |
| 02:16:48 | jmhodges | VerxHome: what is it and can you toss me an ogg123? :) |
| 02:16:49 | kergoth | dremspider: yes |
| 02:16:55 | kergoth | VerxHome: cool |
| 02:16:57 | dremspider | AARRRGGGGH |
| 02:17:00 | jmhodges | VerxHome: ipk i mean ;) |
| 02:17:05 | prpplague | sjohnson: no, but mdz was most gracious to create a replacement for ztsd |
| 02:17:11 | kergoth | dremspider: there is no free gui editor with syntax highlighting for the Z yet. |
| 02:17:14 | prpplague | sjohnson: the apm with oz seems to work well |
| 02:17:14 | VerxHome | jmhodges: |
| 02:17:18 | kergoth | dremspider: other than kvim/e, which isnt done yet |
| 02:17:19 | VerxHome | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.19953.png |
| 02:17:22 | VerxHome | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.21477.png |
| 02:17:24 | jmhodges | cool |
| 02:17:33 | prpplague | sjohnson: the only thing left is the frontlight |
| 02:17:37 | dremspider | Well, I like purty |
| 02:17:48 | dremspider | How buggy is kvim |
| 02:17:52 | kergoth | dremspider: well, then fork over the cash for tkc's app |
| 02:18:02 | jmhodges | oooh your dandd app eh VerxHome :) purty |
| 02:18:02 | prpplague | sjohnson: i've started on getting the bl command created by cworth fixed for zaurus |
| 02:18:03 | kergoth | dremspider: uhh it doesnt work on the Z yet. its not about bugs, its about working. |
| 02:18:05 | kergoth | dremspider: heheh |
| 02:18:14 | VerxHome | thanks jmhodges |
| 02:18:18 | VerxHome | been working on it steadily |
| 02:18:19 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:18:24 | sjohnson | prpplague: zapmd handles that. It has a named pip which alloed control of the screen and front light . |
| 02:18:37 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:18:49 | sjohnson | prpplague: i.e. echo 'suspend' > /dev/zapmd |
| 02:18:50 | prpplague | sjohnson: rightm but no code for zapmd..... |
| 02:18:53 | dremspider | Weelllll I can live with it for now |
| 02:18:55 | VerxHome | anyone here have a Z? :))) |
| 02:19:06 | dremspider | any idea when it will be done.... |
| 02:19:11 | kergoth | dremspider: ask mark |
| 02:19:19 | arrrg | the Z's filesystem is whack |
| 02:19:20 | dremspider | I have one |
| 02:19:23 | prpplague | VerxHome: i bought the last six from bestbuy... does that count? |
| 02:19:23 | dremspider | I love it |
| 02:19:28 | kergoth | dremspider: when he comes around |
| 02:19:37 | dremspider | I bought 1 |
| 02:19:42 | dremspider | Y 6 |
| 02:19:42 | dremspider | ? |
| 02:19:44 | VerxHome | dremspider: Would you be willing to test the install of my dragonsheet app? |
| 02:19:55 | dremspider | Y not..... |
| 02:20:00 | VerxHome | can you DCC? |
| 02:20:03 | arrrg | VerxHome: I have one |
| 02:20:05 | dremspider | I would be glad too |
| 02:20:08 | sjohnson | prpplague and kergoth: CRL plans to move the h3600 touchscreen to using the input device framework. I would be nice is the sharp ts are ported as well. |
| 02:20:11 | dremspider | DCC |
| 02:20:13 | dremspider | ? |
| 02:20:25 | VerxHome | it is an irc thing |
| 02:20:26 | dremspider | I may what is it? |
| 02:20:29 | VerxHome | lets you send files |
| 02:20:40 | dremspider | Ok..... Direct Connect |
| 02:20:47 | dremspider | Yeah |
| 02:20:49 | VerxHome | yeah, you are on mirc dremspider |
| 02:20:51 | kergoth | sjohnson: already starting work on that. |
| 02:20:54 | VerxHome | I should be able to send it to ya |
| 02:20:55 | prpplague | sjohnson: agree, but some with time will need to work on it |
| 02:20:56 | dremspider | Yeah..... |
| 02:21:03 | sjohnson | kergoth: cool. |
| 02:21:08 | kergoth | sjohnson: as a part of the forward port to newer kernels. its in my TODO :-) |
| 02:21:22 | dremspider | I have Linux , but I have a winmodem on my laptop, sigh |
| 02:21:29 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:21:30 | kergoth | sjohnson: course i'll port hte keyboard driver to it too |
| 02:21:33 | VerxHome | dremspider: Please don't distribute it |
| 02:21:39 | prpplague | sjohnson: i can only get 4 or 5 hours at night, and i spend too much time documenting stuff, loll |
| 02:21:42 | dremspider | Si Senor.... |
| 02:21:46 | VerxHome | it is just an ipkg test version |
| 02:21:48 | sjohnson | prpplague: Wellit's not needed how. Jim Gettys / Keith P hasn't added the code to use imput device to X server yet. |
| 02:21:54 | dremspider | Is this going to be open source.... |
| 02:22:04 | dremspider | Or is it a nasty virus.... hehe |
| 02:22:05 | VerxHome | no actual functionality in it other than to test installation and such |
| 02:22:06 | prpplague | kergoth: you already started? |
| 02:22:15 | kergoth | sjohnson: yeah ive been following the thread on linux-arm |
| 02:22:16 | VerxHome | dremspider: It is going to be open source |
| 02:22:24 | VerxHome | GPL or LGPL, whichever catches my fancy |
| 02:22:35 | kergoth | prpplague: like 3 lines of code worth, yeah. hehe. more layed it out than anything else. |
| 02:22:56 | kergoth | prpplague: took a bit to become familiar with the input layer, i'm still not totally up to speed on the api |
| 02:23:08 | prpplague | kergoth: cool, i thonk i'm gonna get fired just so i can spend more time on arm code....... |
| 02:23:16 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe. its fun |
| 02:23:31 | sjohnson | prpplague: Have you tried running xstroke with you Xfbdev yet? |
| 02:23:39 | dremspider | I sent it over |
| 02:23:46 | VerxHome | dremspider: Did it install? |
| 02:23:54 | dremspider | Yeah |
| 02:23:55 | sjohnson | prpplague: I couldn't get it to work. |
| 02:23:57 | VerxHome | cool |
| 02:24:00 | VerxHome | does it run ok for you? |
| 02:24:01 | prpplague | sjohnson: have horrible handwriting so xstroke barfs when i use it |
| 02:24:40 | prpplague | sjohnson: i tried the xstroke from ipaq, my buddy who uses xstroke seems to use it ok |
| 02:24:50 | sjohnson | prpplague: On a Z? |
| 02:25:08 | dremspider | WWWWOOOOWWW my sharp screen died when I installed it... |
| 02:25:15 | dremspider | AAAHHHH..... reset..... |
| 02:25:16 | VerxHome | are you serious?!?! |
| 02:25:23 | VerxHome | my lord man |
| 02:25:24 | dremspider | No, just kidding |
| 02:25:26 | VerxHome | oh |
| 02:25:26 | VerxHome | shit |
| 02:25:29 | VerxHome | you had me going |
| 02:25:40 | prpplague | sjohnson: ya on the z, but only a short period time, like i said, i can't use xstroke so its not on my priority list |
| 02:25:40 | VerxHome | I was gonna say, it runs fine on my ipaq |
| 02:25:44 | VerxHome | I swear! :)) |
| 02:26:00 | VerxHome | dremspider: So it ran fine then? |
| 02:26:02 | dremspider | sorry that was mean, |
| 02:26:09 | dremspider | It is fine and running |
| 02:26:13 | VerxHome | cool |
| 02:26:17 | VerxHome | thanks |
| 02:26:25 | dremspider | when is it gonna be released |
| 02:26:28 | sjohnson | prpplague: Wierd. I guess I'm cursed in try to get X on a Z. |
| 02:26:29 | dremspider | ? |
| 02:26:48 | prpplague | sjohnson: trust me, i've been having a hell of a time |
| 02:27:05 | dremspider | This is nice |
| 02:27:18 | prpplague | sjohnson: last night i didn't have a single make that didn't bomb....... |
| 02:27:56 | prpplague | sjohnson: i spent my lunch hour testing all my code on a x86 thin client |
| 02:27:58 | sjohnson | prpplague: My problems are just the oppsite. I have no problems compiling, but nothing runs properly. :-/ |
| 02:28:18 | VerxHome | dremspider: it has to be released by September |
| 02:28:20 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:28:26 | VerxHome | but I think it will be released well before then |
| 02:28:26 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:28:33 | dremspider | By any chance could you send me the source, I totally understand if you dont want to |
| 02:28:44 | darienm|away | VerxHome: I like how you simplified the layout. |
| 02:28:47 | VerxHome | I will once it is released |
| 02:28:50 | darienm|away | less = more |
| 02:28:52 | VerxHome | thanks darienm |
| 02:28:53 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:29:03 | VerxHome | dremspider: I am holding onto source until I release it |
| 02:29:08 | dremspider | Ok fine |
| 02:29:13 | sjohnson | prpplague: I am welling to be a alpha tester. If you need one. I finally bought a 5500 so my 5000 is free for testing. |
| 02:29:14 | VerxHome | then I will send it all out for the world to tell me how horrible I code |
| 02:29:14 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:29:25 | darienm|away | VerxHome: can I make one suggestion? |
| 02:29:31 | VerxHome | sure thing |
| 02:29:34 | darienm | VerxHome: rather an observation |
| 02:29:41 | darienm | VerxHome: I came across the same thing testing my app |
| 02:29:56 | dremspider | Anyone know of a tool that allows you to write on the screen sentences likt the new pocket PCs? |
| 02:30:02 | darienm | VerxHome: Your users wont be able to see the data they enter into CON and CHA in those positions, when they pop-up the virtual keyboard. |
| 02:30:07 | darienm | dremspider: doesnt exist yet |
| 02:30:17 | darienm | VerxHome: Might consider putting the logo at the bottom |
| 02:30:20 | VerxHome | actually, they can darienm |
| 02:30:28 | VerxHome | I went through each and every screen |
| 02:30:30 | darienm | VerxHome: Ok, that's good. |
| 02:30:38 | VerxHome | and made sure the app can resize itself when the input method goes up |
| 02:30:49 | VerxHome | and I also tested every screen in landscaper |
| 02:30:52 | VerxHome | er, landscape |
| 02:30:53 | sjohnson | Burn, baby, Burn! |
| 02:30:59 | prpplague | sjohnson: anything i can do to help? |
| 02:31:01 | darienm | VerxHome: Did you have to put the tab widget into a layout, or how do you teach it how to resize? |
| 02:31:06 | VerxHome | the only issue with landscape is that the about screen cuts off |
| 02:31:06 | kergoth | VerxHome: finally made sense of the layouts eh? |
| 02:31:09 | sjohnson | prpplague: No. |
| 02:31:10 | jbwiv | dremspider: can you elaborate on the tool you're looking for? haven't seen that yet and I'm curious. |
| 02:31:22 | VerxHome | kergoth: Only took me 2 entire days |
| 02:31:23 | sjohnson | is burning copies of audio CDs |
| 02:31:26 | VerxHome | pissed me off too |
| 02:31:28 | darienm | jbwiv: go to best buy, or anywhere, and use a PocketPC |
| 02:31:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: well at least ya got there |
| 02:31:38 | kergoth | hey hunger |
| 02:31:40 | VerxHome | darienm: The big thing I found out is |
| 02:31:41 | darienm | jbwiv: it has an input method where you just write anywhere... |
| 02:31:42 | dremspider | It allows you to write sentences on the screen and it converts it |
| 02:31:50 | dremspider | Yeah |
| 02:32:00 | VerxHome | if you make any of the group boxes |
| 02:32:01 | jbwiv | ahh. ok. |
| 02:32:09 | dremspider | It is nice, but It aint worth it just for that |
| 02:32:12 | VerxHome | they auto resize when you pop up the input methods |
| 02:32:13 | dremspider | Heck no |
| 02:32:25 | VerxHome | just make sure EVERYTHING has a layout |
| 02:32:38 | dremspider | Verx on the Zaurus it isnt |
| 02:32:46 | darienm | VerxHome: ok, i'm about 85% there. |
| 02:32:54 | VerxHome | dremspider: What do you mean? |
| 02:33:06 | darienm | dremspider: Verx was talking to me... |
| 02:33:12 | dremspider | It doesnt resize |
| 02:33:28 | VerxHome | dremsize: My app doesn't resize? |
| 02:33:31 | treke|home | darienm: sounds like xstroke |
| 02:33:35 | dremspider | No sorry |
| 02:33:41 | dremspider | not on the Z |
| 02:33:43 | darienm | treke|home: xstroke? link? |
| 02:33:59 | prpplague | sjohnson: ok, well if you need anything please don't hesitate to give me a message or email |
| 02:34:06 | | you are, like, mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 02:34:06 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 02:34:20 | treke|home | darienm: http://www.east.isi.edu/projects/DSN/xstroke/ |
| 02:34:21 | VerxHome | dremspider: So when you pop up the input method, you can't see some of the fields? |
| 02:34:22 | darienm | treke|home: You used a PPC? Its like handwriting recognition. You write entire words and phrases, it converts them all into text, including spaces and punctuation -- very accurate actually. |
| 02:34:29 | dremspider | MAybe you can add a little dice program too.... Just a suggestion.... That you could do in a few minutes |
| 02:34:37 | treke|home | darienm: Only long enough to wipe windows ce off of it |
| 02:34:41 | VerxHome | yeah, I am planning on that dremspider |
| 02:34:42 | darienm | Hrm... that does look interesting... |
| 02:34:45 | dremspider | Verx:Yes |
| 02:35:04 | VerxHome | dremspider: Could you take a scap of your screen showing how my app won't resize with the input method up? |
| 02:35:14 | treke|home | darienm: I miss it :) |
| 02:35:26 | dremspider | Hmmm.... |
| 02:35:28 | kergoth | treke|home: write ostroke :-P |
| 02:35:29 | dremspider | How? |
| 02:35:37 | dremspider | Is their a program |
| 02:35:38 | VerxHome | ipkg install scap |
| 02:35:43 | dremspider | Ok hold on |
| 02:35:58 | darienm | VerxHome: I can test it if you send to me :) |
| 02:35:59 | treke|home | kergoth: bleh. After I finish vnc and scummvm |
| 02:36:07 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe |
| 02:36:46 | dremspider | I aint finding scap |
| 02:36:54 | kergoth | dremspider: |
| 02:36:55 | | scap is http://handhelds.org/scap/ or a CGI application now |
| 02:36:55 | kergoth | ibot: scap? |
| 02:36:56 | treke|home | kergoth: Actually, I briefly looked into it, and I'm not sure it can even fit into the inputmethod structure :) |
| 02:37:03 | kergoth | dremspider: go there |
| 02:37:19 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah i was thinking about that.. its a bit.. unconventional |
| 02:37:31 | kergoth | treke|home: i'm sure something could be thrown together though |
| 02:37:57 | kergoth | brb, checking on dinner |
| 02:38:21 | VerxHome | dremspider: Which tab is giving you trouble? |
| 02:38:33 | VerxHome | or is it all of them somehow? |
| 02:39:31 | angry | what is gpe-calendar |
| 02:39:44 | treke|home | its a calender for gpe |
| 02:39:52 | angry | what is gpe? |
| 02:40:04 | treke|home | gnu palmtop environment. its like qpe |
| 02:40:10 | treke|home | except gtk based |
| 02:40:17 | dremspider | all |
| 02:40:22 | darienm | treke|home: any idea if xstroke could be ported to qpe? |
| 02:40:23 | angry | thats cool |
| 02:40:28 | angry | but not many apps for it? |
| 02:40:31 | treke|home | darienm: I dont know |
| 02:40:41 | treke|home | angry: Depends on your definititon of for it :) |
| 02:40:43 | darienm | treke|home: because EVERYONE would want/buy it. |
| 02:40:57 | angry | treke|home: supported by it? :) |
| 02:41:07 | VerxHome | dremspider: What input method are you using? |
| 02:41:30 | dremspider | The pen |
| 02:41:47 | treke|home | angry: they are x apps. So you can run quite a bit of stuff |
| 02:42:30 | treke|home | darienm: Maybe. I guess the real question would be whether a full screen apps could draw over the screen and send events to the window below it |
| 02:42:31 | VerxHome | hrm, I haven't ever used that one |
| 02:42:36 | VerxHome | it must be HUGE |
| 02:42:42 | dremspider | The site you sent me has no downloads |
| 02:43:04 | VerxHome | dremspider: Do your other apps all get out of the way fine when you pop up the handwriting input method? |
| 02:43:21 | dremspider | Most of them, yes |
| 02:43:37 | dremspider | The site I normally goto is dead |
| 02:43:43 | VerxHome | killefiz |
| 02:43:44 | VerxHome | is down |
| 02:44:08 | dremspider | yep |
| 02:44:36 | angry | :( |
| 02:44:57 | arrrg | ok so how do I browse the web through the cradle? |
| 02:45:09 | arrrg | is there a way, or am I dense |
| 02:45:13 | dremspider | setup TCP/IP |
| 02:45:39 | arrrg | hmm I did |
| 02:46:03 | arrrg | do I have to set up my windows computer too to do something special? |
| 02:46:20 | dremspider | you shouldn't |
| 02:46:34 | dremspider | well, no you have to turn on internet sharing |
| 02:46:48 | arrrg | I don't have internet shareing |
| 02:46:53 | arrrg | This is windows 2000 |
| 02:46:58 | dremspider | It is |
| 02:47:00 | dremspider | ther |
| 02:47:00 | dremspider | e |
| 02:47:22 | dremspider | I think in the dial up screen you can goto properties |
| 02:47:31 | arrrg | nevermind, it set something up itself |
| 02:48:06 | arrrg | it seems like it should be working |
| 02:48:09 | arrrg | but it's not |
| 02:48:23 | jbwiv | just getting started with Qt, and trying to compile a simple test app with regular Qt, not qt/e. Getting the following when running qmake: QMAKESPEC has not been set, so configuration cannot be deduced. Where can I find what this should be set to? Looking for links or doc suggestions. Thanks! |
| 02:49:13 | kergoth | arrrg: download and install winproxy. |
| 02:49:21 | kergoth | arrrg: enable "Transparent Proxying" |
| 02:49:28 | kergoth | arrrg: and set up the default route on the Z. |
| 02:49:45 | kergoth | jbwiv: uh, qmake is for qt/ |
| 02:49:46 | kergoth | er |
| 02:49:49 | kergoth | jbwiv: qt3 |
| 02:49:51 | kergoth | jbwiv: dont use that. |
| 02:49:57 | kergoth | jbwiv: the Z uses qt/e 2.3.2 |
| 02:50:30 | dremspider | is the fastload worthit on the zaurus |
| 02:50:43 | kergoth | dremspider: depends on what you mean by worth it |
| 02:50:49 | jbwiv | kergoth: yes, I know. But don't have the fb up right now and don't feel like rebooting, so I whipped up a small test app for regular Qt...not qt/e. Just want it to compile on my desktop and run without fbdev |
| 02:50:51 | darienm | treke|home: I think it would be more like an input method, with a big transparent canvas. |
| 02:50:52 | kergoth | dremspider: enabling it uses up RAM, but makes the app load faster |
| 02:51:09 | kergoth | jbwiv: you're not listening. it woulndt error about qmakepath if you were building against qt/x11 2.3.2 |
| 02:51:48 | dremspider | how do I install vim? |
| 02:51:56 | kergoth | dremspider: get the ipk and install it? |
| 02:52:03 | kergoth | dremspider: try ipkgfind |
| 02:52:05 | | somebody said ipkgfind was at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org or at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 02:52:05 | kergoth | ibot: ipkgfind? |
| 02:52:16 | | darienm: huh? |
| 02:52:16 | darienm | ibot cards |
| 02:52:29 | | OK, darienm. |
| 02:52:29 | darienm | ibot cards is http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
| 02:52:36 | arrrg | this is so weird |
| 02:52:38 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 02:52:38 | darienm | ibot card list |
| 02:52:43 | | OK, darienm. |
| 02:52:43 | darienm | ibot card list is http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
| 02:52:43 | jbwiv | kergoth: I'm attempting to build against qt3.0.4.... |
| 02:52:54 | dremspider | I got the package, I click on it and nothing shows up in install packages |
| 02:52:57 | | it has been said that compatibility is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqHardwareCompatibility |
| 02:52:57 | darienm | ibot compatibility |
| 02:53:08 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 02:53:08 | darienm | ibot card compatibility |
| 02:53:12 | | OK, darienm. |
| 02:53:12 | darienm | ibot card compatibility is http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
| 02:53:28 | darienm | I hope that's intuitive enough for folks. |
| 02:53:38 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 02:53:38 | darienm | ibot sd cards |
| 02:53:42 | arrrg | hmm.. my windoze computer not working |
| 02:53:44 | | cf cards are all required to support 3.3v and 5v power. so all will work at 3.3v in the shannon. |
| 02:53:44 | darienm | ibot cf cards |
| 02:54:14 | jbwiv | kergoth: do you understand what I'm trying to say? i'm just looking to build against qt3, not qt/e. |
| 02:54:36 | kergoth | jbwiv: ah, okay, sorry |
| 02:54:48 | jbwiv | :) |
| 02:54:52 | kergoth | jbwiv: read the qmake documentation. it explains how it works, i have a printout of it around here somewhere. |
| 02:54:56 | kergoth | jbwiv: its quite thoroguh |
| 02:55:04 | kergoth | jbwiv: iirc its out on doc.trolltech.com in the qt3 section |
| 02:55:09 | jbwiv | kergoth: cool, I'll check the online docs |
| 02:55:11 | jbwiv | thx |
| 02:55:15 | kergoth | np |
| 02:55:21 | kergoth | trolltech's online docs are quite good |
| 02:56:35 | arrrg | umm |
| 02:56:44 | arrrg | there is no ctrl-c for zaurus huh |
| 02:57:03 | darienm | yes |
| 02:57:07 | darienm | Fn-C |
| 02:57:28 | darienm | and Fn-Z is ctrl-z, Fn-X is Ctrl-x, Fn-V is Ctrl-v |
| 02:57:32 | darienm | (If I recall correctly) |
| 02:57:35 | arrrg | I can't do that when it's in the cradle |
| 02:57:36 | arrrg | can I? |
| 02:57:39 | darienm | undo, cut, copy, paste |
| 02:57:42 | darienm | er... |
| 02:57:48 | darienm | no, you're froaked |
| 02:57:56 | arrrg | darn |
| 02:58:51 | jbwiv | kergoth: good, but don't appear to be searchable :( |
| 02:59:07 | kergoth | jbwiv: wget -r -m -np & grep -r are your friends :-) |
| 02:59:20 | angry | hey when will they port matchbox to the Z |
| 02:59:25 | jbwiv | kergoth: good point :) |
| 02:59:47 | kergoth | angry: matchbox runs on the Z |
| 02:59:54 | kergoth | angry: if you want to use X rather than opie/qtopia |
| 03:00:09 | kergoth | angry: but prpplague and mdz are currently fixing up the X support for the z, be patient :-) |
| 03:00:21 | angry | kergoth: X = not enough software unless i feel like porting a lot of apps ;) |
| 03:00:24 | prpplague | angry: ha, i just finished a round of testing matchbox |
| 03:00:45 | jbwiv | what's matchbox? |
| 03:00:48 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe. i'm not surprised someone brought it up, since it hit /. |
| 03:00:56 | kergoth | jbwiv: /., go read :-) |
| 03:00:58 | prpplague | jbwiv: an xfree86 windows manager |
| 03:01:04 | arrrg | kergoth: where do I set up transparent proxying? |
| 03:01:20 | angry | kergoth: once they get matchbox working really well on the Z, do you think it will replace opie/qtopia development for a lot of developers? |
| 03:01:22 | prpplague | kergoth: ya mallam was pretty excited |
| 03:01:35 | prpplague | angry: no |
| 03:01:44 | kergoth | prpplague: i dont blame him.. |
| 03:01:47 | sjohnson | angry: Matchbox works just fine on the Zaurus. No problems with it at all. |
| 03:01:51 | jbwiv | looks cool |
| 03:02:03 | kergoth | arrrg: umm i dont remember offhand.. its in the menus somewhere.. last i checked though, its on by default |
| 03:02:11 | angry | prpplague: it looks real purdy |
| 03:02:15 | prpplague | angry: but it does add a whole new group of developers that can use x |
| 03:02:27 | arrrg | keregoth: in windows or on the zaurus |
| 03:02:32 | kergoth | arrrg: windows. |
| 03:02:38 | kergoth | arrrg: transparent proxying is a feature of winproxy. |
| 03:03:15 | arrrg | oh |
| 03:03:28 | | matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 03:03:28 | prpplague | ibot: matchbox |
| 03:03:45 | arrrg | when I start winproxy, there are no menu's |
| 03:03:47 | sjohnson | angry: Matchbox is just a windows manager for X. There are a several PIM projects that is being developed for the X environment. |
| 03:04:19 | prpplague | sjohnson: i want a PimP project, lol |
| 03:04:27 | angry | sjohnson: i know, its sexy too |
| 03:04:45 | sjohnson | prpplague: Sheesh! |
| 03:04:52 | angry | actually |
| 03:05:01 | sjohnson | angry: I agree. It's perfect, IMHP. |
| 03:05:03 | angry | maybe matchbox would be good for low resource computers too? |
| 03:05:09 | sjohnson | er, O |
| 03:06:27 | sjohnson | angry: It is. The Tuxscreen is a very one resource computer 4MB of flash and 16MB of RAM out of the box. |
| 03:06:45 | sjohnson | s/one/low/ |
| 03:06:50 | angry | sjohnson: yeah, i was just looking at that |
| 03:07:21 | | hmmm... timriker is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or mailto:Guru@Lineo.com |
| 03:07:21 | angry | ibot, timriker |
| 03:07:29 | angry | timriker = on here ever? |
| 03:07:37 | dremspider | is opie good |
| 03:07:40 | dremspider | ? |
| 03:07:51 | dremspider | Is it worth getting? |
| 03:07:58 | sjohnson | angry: Tim's nick is BZFlag |
| 03:08:12 | angry | sjohnson: ahh, that makes sense |
| 03:08:16 | angry | sjohnson: i seemed to remember that name |
| 03:08:17 | sjohnson | :) |
| 03:08:20 | angry | tim riker that is |
| 03:08:22 | dremspider | and I need to get hancomm Office |
| 03:09:55 | angry | if i were running matchbox on debian i could run any kde or gnome or x11 app available? |
| 03:10:23 | prpplague | better hurry on the tuxscreen, there are not many left |
| 03:10:43 | prpplague | angry: withing limits |
| 03:10:53 | angry | prpplague: i've got to pass, im saving up for my 802.11b card :) |
| 03:11:15 | prpplague | angry: no problem, there will be other fun items soon to come |
| 03:11:18 | sjohnson | angry: Matchbox works with KDE and Gnome quite well. |
| 03:11:20 | dremspider | what is a tux screen |
| 03:11:20 | angry | http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/matchbox3.png - that theme is just so god damn sexy |
| 03:11:31 | | tuxscreen is http://TuxScreen.net/ order at http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Users/TimRiker and http://tuxscreen.net/scrapbook/images.html or #TuxScreen |
| 03:11:31 | prpplague | ibot: tuxscreen |
| 03:11:31 | | well, tuxscreen is http://TuxScreen.net/ order at http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Users/TimRiker and http://tuxscreen.net/scrapbook/images.html or #TuxScreen |
| 03:11:31 | sjohnson | ibot: tuxscreen |
| 03:11:40 | prpplague | sjohnson: jinx |
| 03:11:46 | sjohnson | LOL |
| 03:11:54 | angry | heh, you would have thought dremspider said "DRAW!" |
| 03:12:07 | | ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 03:12:07 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 03:13:10 | | card compatibility is probably http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
| 03:13:10 | jbwiv | ibot: card compatibility |
| 03:13:32 | | i guess compact flash is http://www.dpreview.com/news/0106/01062601pretec640mbcf.asp or http://www.compactflash.org/ or http://www.compactflash.org/faqs/faq.htm |
| 03:13:32 | jbwiv | ibot: compact flash |
| 03:13:44 | | zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 03:13:44 | SirPsycho-home | ibot, zaurus |
| 03:13:55 | arrrg | oh my god I love this thing! |
| 03:13:56 | arrrg | ahh! |
| 03:14:24 | | jbwiv: excuse me? |
| 03:14:24 | jbwiv | ibot: ethernet |
| 03:14:29 | jbwiv | damn |
| 03:14:29 | | i heard /. was slashdot |
| 03:14:29 | prpplague | ibot: /. |
| 03:14:38 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-08-01 03:56:28 | Matchbox -- a Small Footprint Window Manager | Sony-Ericsson Starts US$5M Astroturf Campaign | How The Postman Almost Owned E-Mail | Micro Air Vehicles |
| 03:14:38 | prpplague | ibot: slashdot |
| 03:14:38 | angry | damnit i want my 256mb CF card to come!! |
| 03:14:43 | angry | die super saver shipping! |
| 03:14:55 | SirPsycho-home | heh.. i am reading bout matchbox now =) |
| 03:15:05 | arrrg | I got my zaurus today for $250 |
| 03:15:09 | arrrg | what a bargain! |
| 03:15:21 | jbwiv | arrrg: that is a bargain. where, may I ask? |
| 03:15:27 | arrrg | Best buy, floor model |
| 03:15:37 | arrrg | it was 350 on clearance |
| 03:15:42 | arrrg | they knocked off 100 |
| 03:15:59 | arrrg | for 400 I got a 3 year warrantee, a new stylus and a 64mb SD card |
| 03:16:14 | angry | arrg: 5500?? |
| 03:16:18 | arrrg | yep |
| 03:16:28 | roge99_laptop | thats cheap |
| 03:16:28 | arrrg | they don't sell the 5000 in stores |
| 03:16:39 | arrrg | or, at least I never seen it |
| 03:16:47 | roge99_laptop | i think i paid 400 for my 5000 |
| 03:16:50 | dremspider | how do I launch VIM |
| 03:16:54 | dremspider | ? |
| 03:16:57 | arrrg | type VIM |
| 03:17:16 | arrrg | in zaurus? |
| 03:17:17 | arrrg | heh |
| 03:17:18 | arrrg | I don't know |
| 03:17:50 | dremspider | I cant install it |
| 03:18:16 | dremspider | Oh well |
| 03:18:24 | dremspider | I gotta goto sleep |
| 03:18:25 | DaWorm | i can't install it as well |
| 03:18:26 | prpplague | i'm out of here guys, i need to trade my x for multiple z's (aka zZZzZZZ) |
| 03:18:29 | prpplague | night all |
| 03:18:31 | DaWorm | but i haven tried command line yet |
| 03:19:00 | dremspider | How do I install command line style |
| 03:19:47 | darienm | Does your Zaurus sync to your desktop? |
| 03:19:53 | dremspider | yes |
| 03:20:00 | darienm | You need to upload then install the Terminal program, or similar |
| 03:20:05 | darienm | I recommend the embeddedkonsole with tabs |
| 03:20:09 | dremspider | I did |
| 03:20:17 | darienm | its uploaded AND installed? |
| 03:20:22 | dremspider | Yes |
| 03:20:28 | dremspider | I am in it now.... |
| 03:20:32 | darienm | oh sorry, I think I'm confusing questions. |
| 03:20:43 | darienm | You want to use: ipkg install filename.ipk |
| 03:20:56 | angry | g2 play some gta3 |
| 03:20:57 | angry | brb |
| 03:21:59 | treke|home | bleh, enough coding for the night |
| 03:27:01 | dremspider | I never did like VI, but oh well |
| 03:27:26 | jmhodges | i love my vim.. esp. when editing conf files |
| 03:27:33 | jmhodges | :d mmmmm |
| 03:34:09 | Xentac | so... anyone figured out how to load and save using scummvm? |
| 03:34:14 | Xentac | or use the F-keys in sarien? |
| 03:40:40 | angry | back |
| 03:44:34 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 03:44:44 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 03:47:38 | dmallor | hey hogger |
| 03:47:43 | hogger | yo dmallor |
| 03:48:09 | dmallor | Is everyone here using a zaurus |
| 03:48:30 | dmallor | for irc that is |
| 03:49:01 | hogger | I use a commodore 64 that I strap to my thigh. I've upgraded it to 128k of RAM. |
| 03:49:21 | dmallor | ha |
| 03:49:35 | hogger | just kidding. I use a c64 emulator on my zaurus. |
| 03:50:05 | dmallor | I bet you dont even have a Z. Your probably using Mandrake or something |
| 03:50:16 | hogger | I can't wait til my vic 20 gets out of the shop |
| 03:50:16 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 03:50:32 | erikd | does anyone know how to make it so if one radio box is checked the other one becomes unchecked in qt designer? |
| 03:50:36 | sj-zaurus | dmallor: this answer your question? |
| 03:50:51 | hogger | is this where everybody goes to say "zaurus rulezzz"? |
| 03:50:54 | dmallor | hehe.. yep |
| 03:51:00 | DaWorm | zaurus rullleezzz |
| 03:51:01 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:51:03 | dmallor | using jabber |
| 03:51:20 | dmallor | ? |
| 03:51:25 | sjohnson | sj-zaurus: Hello how are you? |
| 03:51:28 | DaWorm | [sj-zaurus VERSION reply]: Zic 0.2 |
| 03:51:31 | DaWorm | yep he's on a Z |
| 03:51:32 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:51:52 | sj-zaurus | sjohnson: you are just fine. :) |
| 03:51:59 | dmallor | Anyone using TKCjabber? |
| 03:52:07 | DaWorm | somehow i can't get to run zic on usb tcp/ip |
| 03:52:39 | dmallor | cradle? |
| 03:52:56 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 03:53:00 | hogger | you should dump the usb and get a 100MB cf card |
| 03:53:00 | sjohnson | DaWorm: CAn your access the Internet at all using usb networking? |
| 03:53:00 | DaWorm | won't work that way right? |
| 03:53:08 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 03:53:35 | sjohnson | hogger: That's overkill. A 10MB would be a better fit. |
| 03:53:41 | dmallor | Iwouldnt think you could unless your desktop supports ip route forwarding/nat |
| 03:53:53 | hogger | the price is no different, so why not get the 100MB? |
| 03:54:19 | sjohnson | Well if price is the same, then it doesn't matter. |
| 03:54:21 | DaWorm | well i'm not really that good with win2k so I just tried out usb tcp/ip but i figured win2k had nat capabilities but i don;t know how |
| 03:54:34 | dmallor | I am using 100FE now on z |
| 03:54:46 | treke|work | I dunno, 10Mb is also bordering on overkill |
| 03:54:47 | kergoth | DaWorm: win2k has built in forwarding capabilities, but not NAT. install winproxy or something. |
| 03:54:51 | dmallor | not automatically |
| 03:55:12 | DaWorm | i installed analogX |
| 03:55:21 | dmallor | you might look at internet connection sharing on your real nic on your pc |
| 03:55:36 | dmallor | man is this tuff to type :) |
| 03:55:43 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 03:55:56 | DaWorm | i might get a card this weekend though |
| 03:56:01 | dmallor | 2K has NAT |
| 03:56:06 | dmallor | ICS |
| 03:56:10 | hogger | I guess it could be worse ardmallor. you could be writing. |
| 03:56:14 | kergoth | dmallor: win2k has ICS? since when? |
| 03:56:20 | DaWorm | yeah it has |
| 03:56:27 | kergoth | well nifty |
| 03:56:28 | DaWorm | i tried looking at network properties |
| 03:56:32 | dmallor | I have pro |
| 03:56:44 | dmallor | maybe difference |
| 03:56:50 | dmallor | xp has it too |
| 03:56:53 | DaWorm | ics probably for pro but not nat |
| 03:56:54 | kergoth | ah could be, i dont htink advanced server has ics |
| 03:57:01 | DaWorm | i think nat is a server thing for win2k |
| 03:57:03 | dremspider | I need a program to sync stock info |
| 03:57:04 | hogger | I don't know if ics would share to the usb cradle though. It's not very configurable. |
| 03:57:05 | kergoth | s/htink/think/ |
| 03:57:11 | dmallor | ICS is NAT |
| 03:57:11 | arrrg | I am almost convinced that win2k doesn't do shareing |
| 03:57:14 | kergoth | hogger: ics works flawless for it. |
| 03:57:15 | arrrg | it just says it does |
| 03:57:20 | dremspider | does tkcapitak do that? |
| 03:57:29 | dmallor | private ip translated to public |
| 03:57:37 | DaWorm | i'll try that |
| 03:57:42 | kergoth | arrrg: i stuck to winproxy with transparent proxying on my win2k box :-) |
| 03:57:52 | dremspider | any1 know |
| 03:57:57 | whardier | just saw undacova brotha |
| 03:57:59 | dremspider | ? |
| 03:58:00 | kergoth | man i need to cook dinner sooner |
| 03:58:07 | DaWorm | its just fun to surf on the z with a dsl connection |
| 03:58:08 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:58:09 | kergoth | whardier: heh, i saw that.. |
| 03:58:14 | whardier | damn funny |
| 03:58:17 | kergoth | yeh |
| 03:58:27 | whardier | dinner sooner? are you getting fat and gassy? |
| 03:58:27 | dmallor | Actually for real routing I prefer winroute pro over ICS... but its not free |
| 03:58:29 | treke|work | seconds that |
| 03:58:30 | arrrg | kergoth: when I got winproxy, it didn't have a menu to pick transparent from |
| 03:58:36 | whardier | dmallor whats real routing? |
| 03:58:37 | kergoth | arrrg: its in there. |
| 03:58:37 | arrrg | I guess I got a different version? |
| 03:58:47 | arrrg | keregoth: the one I got had no menu |
| 03:58:57 | kergoth | arrrg: odd |
| 03:59:03 | kergoth | "real routing" |
| 03:59:06 | kergoth | as opposed to fake? |
| 03:59:06 | dmallor | maybe when I get on a real keyboard |
| 03:59:08 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:59:25 | dmallor | unless you are real patient |
| 03:59:58 | hogger | yuk yuk |
| 04:00:02 | hogger | fake routing |
| 04:00:22 | whardier | heh |
| 04:00:37 | whardier | "real" as in.. the ability to keep it.. real.. |
| 04:00:39 | hogger | anybody here done any porting of apps to qt? |
| 04:00:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:00:45 | whardier | windows cannot keep it real.. jiive turkey! |
| 04:00:55 | dmallor | remember. just because you can ping your pc from your Z doesnt mean its in the same subnet as your wired network and requires someone to NAT |
| 04:00:57 | kergoth | whardier: still in undercova brother mode eh? |
| 04:01:06 | whardier | Whatch ME NOW! |
| 04:01:18 | arrrg | I love my wonderfull, overheating computer |
| 04:01:24 | whardier | haha |
| 04:01:25 | arrrg | that just restarts itself constantly |
| 04:01:31 | arrrg | :-( |
| 04:01:34 | arrrg | damn AMD! |
| 04:01:45 | kergoth | whardier: dood, wtf was the guy from doogie houser, md doing in that movie anyway? |
| 04:01:57 | kergoth | whardier: that annoying white kid |
| 04:02:03 | kergoth | arrrg: heh, cool it better :-) |
| 04:02:37 | arrrg | keregoth: I have a huge copper heatsink on it, with a 7200rpm fan that howls! |
| 04:02:56 | arrrg | I think the thermal paste I got sucks, and is not doing as good a job as it did last year |
| 04:03:09 | whardier | kergoth: he was the white culture expert! |
| 04:03:10 | kergoth | arrrg: cool your case better, also. reduce the ambient heat |
| 04:03:13 | kergoth | whardier: hehe |
| 04:03:22 | kergoth | whardier: god that doenst say much for white culture :-) |
| 04:03:25 | arrrg | my case's ambient heat is 80 degrees F |
| 04:03:33 | kergoth | arrrg: heh |
| 04:03:37 | arrrg | the CPU reboots itself at 118 |
| 04:03:50 | whardier | anybody have some George Clinton? |
| 04:03:56 | kergoth | arrrg: could always switch to water cooling :) |
| 04:03:58 | kergoth | whardier: haha |
| 04:04:05 | kergoth | whardier: you need to get out of that mode man |
| 04:04:07 | arrrg | or, it could just be a defect with the computer |
| 04:04:15 | arrrg | and is the reason it keeps rebooting |
| 04:04:18 | arrrg | because it's defective |
| 04:04:32 | whardier | naw I gotta have the funk1 |
| 04:04:32 | arrrg | mother F-ing piece of unnng |
| 04:04:46 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 04:04:50 | kergoth | cranks up the MDFMK |
| 04:04:51 | whardier | sweet.. giFT rules |
| 04:04:56 | whardier | hmm |
| 04:04:58 | kergoth | giFT does rule. |
| 04:04:59 | whardier | I need your MDFMK |
| 04:05:02 | whardier | now |
| 04:05:04 | kergoth | giFTcurs is sweet |
| 04:05:05 | whardier | and all KMFDM that you have |
| 04:05:08 | whardier | sorted tagged organized |
| 04:05:09 | whardier | STAT |
| 04:05:20 | kergoth | most of my kmfdm is on mp3 cds, yet |
| 04:05:21 | whardier | actually.. I just want symbols |
| 04:05:29 | kergoth | lemme grab my cds |
| 04:05:29 | whardier | and retro |
| 04:05:31 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:05:37 | whardier | and all the other ones |
| 04:05:48 | whardier | I miss my KMFDM cd's |
| 04:05:52 | whardier | they all got scratched |
| 04:05:55 | whardier | badly |
| 04:06:12 | ][N-Flux | whardier: I've got kmfdm up the arse |
| 04:06:14 | kergoth | oh fuck man |
| 04:06:20 | ][N-Flux | everything |
| 04:06:23 | kergoth | 5 of my mp3 cds are scratched to all hell |
| 04:06:25 | kergoth | !@#% |
| 04:06:28 | whardier | NO!!!! |
| 04:06:28 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 04:06:30 | whardier | ohw ell |
| 04:06:32 | whardier | gift will solve this |
| 04:06:40 | kergoth | i dunno if its the techno ones or not.. lemme check |
| 04:06:47 | kergoth | my mp3 collection is so injured right now |
| 04:06:50 | kergoth | sniffle |
| 04:06:57 | whardier | ][N-Flux you have a fat pipe? |
| 04:07:22 | ][N-Flux | well, that's what the girls say ;0 |
| 04:07:27 | whardier | woot |
| 04:07:27 | whardier | NIHIL |
| 04:07:29 | whardier | gift rules |
| 04:07:30 | ][N-Flux | cable, but i'd have to rip it all |
| 04:07:39 | whardier | somebody like.. totally catalogs their shit before putting it on gift |
| 04:07:41 | whardier | I am happy with them |
| 04:07:41 | ][N-Flux | I own all orignal cd's |
| 04:07:54 | kergoth | whardier: i miss my 35gb of FULLY categorized shit |
| 04:08:00 | ][N-Flux | cept Naive, which I sold :/ |
| 04:08:05 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: nice, i need to pick them up myself |
| 04:08:13 | whardier | kergoth: I would too |
| 04:08:16 | kergoth | i love Stare At The Sun |
| 04:08:18 | kergoth | for some reason |
| 04:08:22 | ][N-Flux | also has the POWER Single |
| 04:08:37 | whardier | do you like the mdfmk self title album? |
| 04:08:40 | ][N-Flux | is going to see slick idiot on the 6th :) |
| 04:08:43 | kergoth | yeah, i do |
| 04:08:45 | whardier | POWER single would be the shit |
| 04:08:49 | ][N-Flux | mdfmk is not as good |
| 04:08:59 | kergoth | mdfmk is .. different |
| 04:09:00 | ][N-Flux | but decent |
| 04:09:03 | kergoth | I like both, myself |
| 04:09:10 | kergoth | its got a different sound to it |
| 04:09:11 | ][N-Flux | ATTAK is just mdfmk again too :/ |
| 04:09:16 | whardier | I just tagged 200+ songs for download |
| 04:09:19 | whardier | woot |
| 04:09:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:09:24 | kergoth | giFT rocks |
| 04:09:31 | whardier | AAAnd,.. Funkedelic is almost complete |
| 04:09:32 | whardier | woot |
| 04:09:36 | kergoth | aha |
| 04:09:37 | kergoth | nice combo |
| 04:09:43 | ][N-Flux | http://www.slickidiot.com/ <-----the BETTER 1/2 of KMFDM |
| 04:09:54 | whardier | weee.. want the funk.. I WANT MOONEYY!!!!.. *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* |
| 04:10:08 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: better 1/2? |
| 04:10:10 | whardier | heh |
| 04:10:33 | ][N-Flux | kergoth: En Ecsh and Gunther |
| 04:10:36 | whardier | ][N-Flux side project? |
| 04:10:56 | whardier | woot |
| 04:10:58 | ][N-Flux | they disbanded from KMFDM |
| 04:11:01 | whardier | Lets take it to the stage!! |
| 04:11:04 | whardier | haha.. |
| 04:11:10 | whardier | puts some funk in his earhole.. |
| 04:11:11 | ][N-Flux | I belive Tim Skold is to blame |
| 04:11:25 | ][N-Flux | I have email from EN :) |
| 04:11:48 | angry | anyone else going to buy tkcGangRapePlanner once it comes out? |
| 04:12:25 | dmallor | well all. been fun gotta run |
| 04:12:28 | Cloudchaser | umm |
| 04:12:38 | kergoth | hmm I should grab some more Darude |
| 04:12:50 | whardier | almost has the Dj Rap album he lost a year or so back |
| 04:12:58 | ][N-Flux | feels a Sandstorm |
| 04:13:01 | DaWorm | lol |
| 04:13:02 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: hehe |
| 04:13:06 | DaWorm | gangrapeplanner |
| 04:13:07 | DaWorm | hahha |
| 04:13:15 | ][N-Flux | cannot wait to see slick idiot |
| 04:13:21 | ][N-Flux | day before my B-day :) |
| 04:13:26 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: when they coming to town? |
| 04:13:28 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:13:29 | ][N-Flux | is also going to Area2 |
| 04:13:33 | hogger | cloudchaser, are you the guy that wrote tkcjabber? |
| 04:13:42 | Cloudchaser | first of all i'm not a guy |
| 04:13:57 | Cloudchaser | and no i didn't write jabber |
| 04:13:59 | ][N-Flux | A FEMALE? |
| 04:14:00 | kergoth | I haerd oakenfold came to town here not too long ago.. wish i'd have known about that |
| 04:14:01 | ][N-Flux | NO |
| 04:14:03 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:14:06 | ][N-Flux | hhehehe |
| 04:14:06 | DaWorm | ehehehe |
| 04:14:14 | ][N-Flux | is all medicated, can ya tell |
| 04:14:20 | hogger | oh. tkcjabber comes with cloudchaser for the default user. I figured it must be you. |
| 04:14:24 | ][N-Flux | okenfold is awesome |
| 04:14:28 | Cloudchaser | i wrote the doc |
| 04:14:35 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: yeh |
| 04:14:55 | kergoth | hmm kmfdm in .ogg format |
| 04:14:59 | kergoth | grabs some |
| 04:15:00 | Cloudchaser | it comes with cloudchaser as a default user?? |
| 04:15:03 | ][N-Flux | longs to have Kraftwerk tour |
| 04:15:04 | whardier | saw Oakenfold last month |
| 04:15:06 | angry | lol |
| 04:15:06 | hogger | yeah |
| 04:15:11 | kergoth | whardier: how was it? |
| 04:15:12 | Cloudchaser | in the program? |
| 04:15:14 | angry | thats hillarious |
| 04:15:14 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 04:15:37 | whardier | kergoth: I had to clean my pants a few times.. thank god I could get away with acting like Iw as on X and whiping myself all over stoned women. |
| 04:15:38 | angry | Cloudchaser: you're a celeb |
| 04:15:48 | kergoth | whardier: ahaha |
| 04:15:49 | whardier | woot |
| 04:15:50 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 04:15:53 | hogger | why aren't the images that come with the zipped doc not put in the directory that the html docs are referencing them? |
| 04:15:54 | kergoth | whardier: i wish i couldve gone when he was here |
| 04:15:55 | whardier | needs to take a spelling lesson |
| 04:16:07 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: so do you feel famous now? :-) |
| 04:16:07 | whardier | Oakey does a good job |
| 04:16:13 | whardier | George Acosta was there |
| 04:16:35 | whardier | he .. I think does a better job.. but oakey got a good set and he directed the AV pretty well |
| 04:16:41 | kergoth | pulls out some lords of acid out of his archives |
| 04:16:45 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 04:16:47 | whardier | mmm |
| 04:16:48 | ][N-Flux | kergoth: nice |
| 04:16:49 | whardier | traci lords |
| 04:16:52 | whardier | Boink |
| 04:16:52 | angry | Cloudchaser: hopefully it doesnt have your password default saved ;) |
| 04:17:01 | Cloudchaser | i was just wondering the same! |
| 04:17:02 | ][N-Flux | praga khan |
| 04:17:08 | ][N-Flux | some klf |
| 04:17:09 | Cloudchaser | not sure why its like that |
| 04:17:47 | whardier | george_clinton_-_hey_man_smell_my_finger |
| 04:17:54 | hogger | hey doc writer, it's it's, not its. |
| 04:18:30 | kergoth | hogger: smartass ;-) |
| 04:18:42 | hogger | well she's a doc writer, fair game huh? |
| 04:18:43 | whardier | annoys the neighbors.. by blasting Brick House |
| 04:18:56 | kergoth | whardier: aha |
| 04:18:57 | whardier | Commodores Rule! |
| 04:19:08 | kergoth | now i gotta get some of that shit |
| 04:19:10 | hogger | lionel richie is the shit! |
| 04:19:11 | kergoth | giFTs |
| 04:19:12 | angry | whardier: so do TRS-80's ;) |
| 04:19:24 | whardier | finds some James Brown |
| 04:19:48 | arrrg | umm |
| 04:19:49 | kergoth | fuck ive got too many entries in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:19:51 | arrrg | it froze |
| 04:19:55 | whardier | I promise to be good to your earhole |
| 04:19:56 | kergoth | apt-get update takes wayyyy too long |
| 04:20:04 | arrrg | what do I do when my zaurus freezes? |
| 04:20:15 | whardier | kick |
| 04:20:17 | Cloudchaser | thaw it? |
| 04:20:19 | hogger | hold it between your legs til it warms up |
| 04:20:20 | ][N-Flux | throw it |
| 04:20:34 | Cloudchaser | do soft reset |
| 04:20:39 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:20:40 | whardier | one dude on gift has WAAY too much funk |
| 04:20:41 | ][N-Flux | in an envelope to me :) |
| 04:20:43 | kergoth | we're such a bunch of smartasses |
| 04:20:45 | angry | lol |
| 04:20:50 | whardier | err |
| 04:20:53 | whardier | and kmfdm |
| 04:20:55 | whardier | again |
| 04:20:56 | ][N-Flux | pulls out some parliment |
| 04:20:56 | whardier | what a weird mix |
| 04:20:59 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:21:07 | kergoth | whardier: i hate randomly playing my archives |
| 04:21:08 | whardier | 24.71.217.250 |
| 04:21:12 | kergoth | whardier: always jumpin categories |
| 04:21:14 | ][N-Flux | some leftfielf |
| 04:21:14 | ToyKeeper | jams to Jungle Boogie |
| 04:21:15 | whardier | hehe |
| 04:21:17 | arrrg | it doesn't turn off |
| 04:21:19 | ][N-Flux | leftfield even |
| 04:21:20 | Cloudchaser | oh and angry...as a rule women don't find humor in rape |
| 04:21:22 | ][N-Flux | messiah |
| 04:21:24 | angry | what is that whardier |
| 04:21:34 | dmallor | hey. was wondering if anyone can help me. I just started using TKCJabber and cant get the doc to open correctly. All of the images are broken.... Any Ideas |
| 04:21:34 | angry | Cloudchaser: sorry cloud :( |
| 04:21:43 | arrrg | wtf do I DO! |
| 04:21:50 | ][N-Flux | arrrg: reset |
| 04:21:53 | ][N-Flux | geez |
| 04:21:55 | arrrg | how? |
| 04:22:06 | Cloudchaser | look in your manual for soft reset? |
| 04:22:07 | arrrg | take out the battery? |
| 04:22:09 | Cloudchaser | it tells |
| 04:22:10 | ][N-Flux | little switch in the back |
| 04:22:18 | ][N-Flux | by the battery cover |
| 04:22:30 | arrrg | oh |
| 04:22:33 | arrrg | thx |
| 04:22:34 | Cloudchaser | dmallor: what doc? and did you install it to RAM or card? |
| 04:22:35 | arrrg | I have no manaul |
| 04:22:40 | arrrg | i got it floor model |
| 04:23:02 | Cloudchaser | i think you can get docs from myzaurus.com |
| 04:23:05 | dmallor | no.. the zip file called tkcjabberUserguide |
| 04:23:12 | angry | http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/animals/newsid_2164000/2164437.stm -> looks like alien |
| 04:23:21 | DaWorm | nasty |
| 04:23:29 | angry | kinda sad tho |
| 04:23:32 | Cloudchaser | dmallor: user guide is also on kompany web site |
| 04:23:37 | angry | had to have its ears amputated because of skin cancer |
| 04:23:38 | kergoth | i really really hate stalled downloads! |
| 04:23:40 | kergoth | grr |
| 04:23:45 | ][N-Flux | cute kitty |
| 04:23:55 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 04:24:08 | angry | his eyes are scawwy |
| 04:24:11 | angry | or her |
| 04:24:18 | ][N-Flux | I'd say something else but there is a lady present |
| 04:24:20 | angry | her |
| 04:25:14 | dmallor | thing I found it.. html file is looking for images in ./tkcjabber_files |
| 04:25:43 | DaWorm | anyone tried tkcvideo yet? |
| 04:25:54 | angry | DaWorm: Cloudchaser has i think |
| 04:25:57 | Cloudchaser | i have |
| 04:26:09 | DaWorm | good buy? |
| 04:26:18 | Cloudchaser | i like it so far |
| 04:26:28 | Cloudchaser | my big cf card is being rma'd though |
| 04:26:38 | Cloudchaser | so haven't gotten to test anything really big yet |
| 04:26:47 | BigBoss | tkcVideo solves global warming |
| 04:26:53 | kergoth | hmm is xmms still the definitive audio player for linux? |
| 04:26:57 | Cloudchaser | tomorrow i'll try smbmount and see if i can run a vid over network |
| 04:27:00 | DaWorm | eh? |
| 04:27:01 | kergoth | BigBoss: tkc's addressbook overwrites the sharp one, why? |
| 04:27:03 | dmallor | the zip had all the files in /.. did not contain full path.. thx anyways |
| 04:27:08 | hogger | kergoth, as far as I can tell, yes |
| 04:27:21 | angry | i'm holding out for the opie video player to be updated, it should have divx support |
| 04:27:23 | whardier | this 56k user on gifT is sooo clooose to downloading my tron rip |
| 04:27:27 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:27:28 | whardier | which I don't understand.. |
| 04:27:32 | whardier | its 956 megs |
| 04:27:39 | kergoth | angry: ah yeh, opieplayer2 |
| 04:27:40 | BigBoss | kergoth: why not? it uses the same data files |
| 04:27:55 | whardier | oooh.. it jumped up to 15KB/s |
| 04:27:55 | angry | kergoth: :) that will be schweeeet |
| 04:27:55 | kergoth | BigBoss: in OZ the existing addressbook was installed via ipkg |
| 04:28:03 | kergoth | BigBoss: like any other distribution, ipkg does not allow conflicting files |
| 04:28:07 | whardier | I guess he always just looked slow next to the other uploads |
| 04:28:14 | angry | whardier: you using direct connect? |
| 04:28:15 | kergoth | BigBoss: so tkc apps dont install without removing the existing addressbook |
| 04:28:32 | whardier | angry: direct connect to what? |
| 04:28:35 | BigBoss | addressbook and calender replace the defaults, those are the only ones |
| 04:28:39 | DaWorm | tkc apps work on oz? |
| 04:28:44 | kergoth | DaWorm: yes |
| 04:28:46 | roge99_laptop | yea |
| 04:28:50 | DaWorm | i might try that soon then |
| 04:28:55 | DaWorm | OZ i mean |
| 04:29:02 | kergoth | BigBoss: k.. i'll have to document this somewhere.. they dont go in without removing the old ones :) |
| 04:29:07 | BigBoss | if they don't, then we fly kergoth to our offices in the tropics for 2 months until they do |
| 04:29:12 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:29:14 | kergoth | woo |
| 04:29:15 | ][N-Flux | is away: Doped up.... |
| 04:29:16 | kergoth | better than MN |
| 04:29:17 | ToyKeeper | @ home> nice giFT |
| 04:29:22 | BigBoss | kergoth: we use to save them, but that caused more problems |
| 04:29:26 | kergoth | mmmm giFT |
| 04:29:37 | kergoth | BigBoss: ah, yeha thatd be kind of hackish anyway |
| 04:29:57 | whardier | ToyKeeper you sohuld write protect the md5 list |
| 04:30:00 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: did someone get you guys in trouble at Handango? :-) |
| 04:30:02 | dmallor | Can anyone say whether or not the Z will support NOTES syncronization anytime soon.. |
| 04:30:14 | DaWorm | Notes |
| 04:30:19 | DaWorm | that's one they forgot |
| 04:30:23 | dmallor | yep |
| 04:30:26 | whardier | should put giFT on his Z |
| 04:30:27 | whardier | heh |
| 04:30:32 | dmallor | kinda big for me |
| 04:30:36 | DaWorm | that's why i wouldnt pay for a notes app |
| 04:30:45 | BigBoss | TrekCycling: no, but everyone was assuming it was porn when most of it wasn't |
| 04:30:53 | whardier | Have no Fear! |
| 04:30:55 | BigBoss | nikkinova was apparently and some other name |
| 04:30:55 | dmallor | was on older sharps, palm, and ipaq |
| 04:30:56 | whardier | my funk is here! |
| 04:30:57 | DaWorm | because i believe its so obvious it needed one and not just rely on a text editor |
| 04:31:09 | angry | DaWorm: have you seen that heirarchal notes app? pretty sweet if you ask me |
| 04:31:15 | DaWorm | oh yeah |
| 04:31:18 | Xentac | just checking one more time... no one in here has used scummvm? |
| 04:31:31 | DaWorm | what was that app? i installed it once before |
| 04:31:39 | whardier | rubs some funk on it.. |
| 04:31:49 | ToyKeeper | Heh. hierarchic notes are.. useful. :) |
| 04:31:56 | dmallor | i just need one that will sync with desktop... ie.. qtopia. or outlook |
| 04:31:58 | whardier | Along came a spider |
| 04:32:02 | whardier | sat down beside here |
| 04:32:05 | ToyKeeper | I'm writing one, but I'm way lazy about it. |
| 04:32:07 | whardier | said.. "whats in the bag bitch" |
| 04:32:11 | angry | what's a good offline browsing app |
| 04:32:19 | dmallor | wget |
| 04:32:28 | angry | i loved avantgo for the palm |
| 04:32:38 | dmallor | offline webpage retrieval with wget |
| 04:32:38 | DaWorm | have you tried mazingo? |
| 04:32:39 | BigBoss | angry: tkcRekall :) |
| 04:32:44 | DaWorm | man that mazingo sucks big time |
| 04:33:03 | dmallor | wget == Free |
| 04:33:18 | DaWorm | wget is part of busybox already |
| 04:33:29 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: I don't know what the teen-undress one could have been. |
| 04:33:39 | ToyKeeper | wget in busybox is missing about 95% of its most useful features. :( |
| 04:33:42 | angry | can wget go n links deep + auto get all the images on the page? |
| 04:33:44 | dmallor | But you need to write a little script to tell him what you want |
| 04:33:53 | Xentac | angry: yes |
| 04:33:55 | angry | TrekCycling: you should have seen his other vids ;) |
| 04:34:03 | DaWorm | i might end up learning how to program so I can put up some apps i want |
| 04:34:04 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:34:08 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: last i checked ipkg wouldnt even work with it because it used cmdline opts that it didnt support.. hehe |
| 04:34:09 | hogger | what features are you talking about toykeeper? |
| 04:34:14 | ToyKeeper | angry: wget can go n links deep + get whatever files you want... |
| 04:34:15 | angry | Xentac: i've only used it to download install files and stuff, I'd better go read the manpage on wget |
| 04:34:18 | whardier | gets a woody |
| 04:34:27 | Xentac | wget is a pretty spiffy tool |
| 04:34:34 | angry | whardier: i do hope you mean debian 3.0 woody |
| 04:34:34 | kergoth | wget is very very spiffy |
| 04:34:44 | ToyKeeper | wget is the mother of all web-suck tools. |
| 04:35:03 | Wembly | curl? |
| 04:35:03 | kergoth | course i had to patch wget to add a cmdline option to ignore robots.txt |
| 04:35:06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:35:08 | whardier | wget in busybox is as good as "telnet www.google.com 80 | tee outfile.crap" |
| 04:35:11 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 04:35:25 | Wembly | kergoth: couldnt you add that to .wgetrc? |
| 04:35:28 | dmallor | of course TKCwget will probably be out to buy soon :; |
| 04:35:29 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 04:35:29 | Wembly | or /etc/wgetrc? |
| 04:35:30 | DaWorm | matchbox |
| 04:35:35 | DaWorm | interesting stuff |
| 04:35:38 | DaWorm | looks like OZ |
| 04:35:47 | kergoth | DaWorm: ? |
| 04:35:53 | kergoth | DaWorm: matchbox is a X wm |
| 04:35:58 | Xentac | whardier: I don't know about that... I've used it to at least do a 'wget -p' before |
| 04:36:06 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 04:36:14 | DaWorm | i just saw it today |
| 04:36:16 | whardier | is not quite sure what tkc could do to wget.. you still sorta gotta type in the url .. and by the time you are done with that you are 90% done with the wget command |
| 04:36:19 | DaWorm | im reading about it now |
| 04:36:42 | ToyKeeper | Run this if you want to download the internet. Well, about 95% of the internet, anyway: wget -r -l 0 -H slashdot.org |
| 04:36:44 | DaWorm | i didnt read the x11 part |
| 04:36:45 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:36:58 | dmallor | put color and price on it :) |
| 04:36:58 | whardier | hmm |
| 04:37:10 | whardier | I wonder if the Loveland HP would allow me to steal the terrabyte systems |
| 04:37:14 | whardier | I need to do some wgetting |
| 04:37:27 | Xentac | starts looking up people's emails... |
| 04:37:34 | whardier | yoddabyte |
| 04:37:39 | angry | heh, i think its pretty lame that by default wget honors robots.txt |
| 04:37:39 | dmallor | Where ohh where is Gaim for my Z |
| 04:37:42 | kergoth | fucking stalled downloads in giFT |
| 04:37:45 | sjohnson | Matchbox is actually the evolutionary end results of 3 generations of wm's for PDA's. |
| 04:37:47 | kergoth | dmallor: install tkcjabber |
| 04:37:55 | whardier | kergoth: temper temper |
| 04:38:00 | arrrg | is there a qtopia manager for linux? |
| 04:38:04 | kergoth | whardier: heheh |
| 04:38:05 | dmallor | i am using it now |
| 04:38:12 | dmallor | had to pay to play |
| 04:38:15 | whardier | giFT is nice |
| 04:38:16 | ToyKeeper | Eh, wget should honor robots.txt. It's a spider. Besides, you can always add "robots = 0" to your .wgetrc. |
| 04:38:23 | sjohnson | arrrg: topia is the window manager itself. |
| 04:38:23 | whardier | it adds the element of surprise to piracy |
| 04:38:23 | hogger | I'm holding out for gaim |
| 04:38:37 | whardier | --no-robots |
| 04:38:38 | arrrg | sjohnson: no I mean how there is a qtopia desktop |
| 04:38:40 | angry | ToyKeeper: i've never actually used it as as spider before |
| 04:38:41 | whardier | somefin like daty |
| 04:38:44 | arrrg | thing |
| 04:38:46 | arrrg | for windows |
| 04:38:48 | angry | ToyKeeper: just to get install + source files |
| 04:38:49 | arrrg | that manages the zaurus |
| 04:38:55 | arrrg | is there one for linux |
| 04:38:58 | dmallor | So whos gonna get that arm.deb working for us |
| 04:39:00 | kergoth | whardier: last i checked there didnt exist --no-robots :-) easy to add tho |
| 04:39:01 | sjohnson | arrrg: Ah. |
| 04:39:04 | kergoth | dmallor: ? |
| 04:39:14 | arrrg | I have 2 mp3 files that I tried to send to the zaurus that didn't work |
| 04:39:15 | kergoth | dmallor: gaim uses gtk, it wont be ported to qtopia easily |
| 04:39:18 | arrrg | where are they? |
| 04:39:19 | dmallor | gaim.arm.deb |
| 04:39:21 | arrrg | I want to delete them |
| 04:39:23 | whardier | can acclaim to ToyKeeper's ability to rub some shizz all over wgets niggity |
| 04:39:59 | dmallor | For X right? |
| 04:40:09 | kergoth | dmallor: yes |
| 04:40:26 | dmallor | thats what we found too |
| 04:40:36 | arrrg | gaim can be ported to qtopia |
| 04:40:40 | angry | they ported gaim to windows :) |
| 04:40:40 | arrrg | what a good idea for a project! |
| 04:40:43 | kergoth | arrrg: well no shit |
| 04:40:55 | kergoth | arrrg: what i said was it wont be ported EASILY :-) |
| 04:41:00 | hogger | hhe |
| 04:41:03 | arrrg | why not? |
| 04:41:03 | dmallor | so i took the plunge for tkc... others are using the cmd line client |
| 04:41:04 | ToyKeeper | I thought someone already ported an AIM client to the Z. icefox, I think. |
| 04:41:07 | Xentac | windows has a port of gtk... qtopia does not... |
| 04:41:17 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: yeah, icefox=benmeyer .. now working for sharp |
| 04:41:20 | hogger | I'm using ari-yahoo for YIM. it works good. |
| 04:41:23 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: kinkattalite |
| 04:41:26 | angry | how about a gtk port for QT? ;) |
| 04:41:30 | angry | that wouldnt work too well i suspect |
| 04:41:32 | whardier | my pwetty kitty wants some wuv |
| 04:41:32 | ToyKeeper | How about just using X? |
| 04:41:41 | arrrg | just gotta translate all the gtk stuff to qt |
| 04:41:45 | arrrg | :-p |
| 04:41:53 | whardier | thinks X is neat.. or X is neater than C |
| 04:42:05 | whardier | fails at being an infobot |
| 04:42:09 | arrrg | I guess, and then change it around so it fits for the screen and works with the stylus or whatever. I never did anything for zaurus yet |
| 04:42:10 | ToyKeeper | How about someone fixes QT to actually write to the framebuffer in linear order when scrolling rotated widgets? |
| 04:42:15 | | rumour has it infobot is http://infobot.org/ |
| 04:42:15 | angry | ibot, infobot |
| 04:42:47 | dmallor | hogger: is there a free IRC client for Z |
| 04:42:52 | whardier | thinks the rooms mojo society needs a hug.. and an orange soda.. |
| 04:42:53 | Xentac | goes to sleep now. |
| 04:42:56 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: what order is it blitting in, if not linear? |
| 04:43:13 | hogger | yea, ZIC |
| 04:43:14 | | i guess zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 04:43:14 | angry | ibot tell angry about zaurus |
| 04:43:21 | ToyKeeper | Ever notice things scroll a lot faster when they're displayed in 320x240 than when it's 240x320? |
| 04:43:34 | whardier | because it rotates the blits right. |
| 04:43:39 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: thats not surprising.. |
| 04:43:41 | whardier | or the blit order atleast |
| 04:43:48 | angry | ibot++ |
| 04:43:54 | angry | ibot++ |
| 04:43:57 | angry | karma for ibot |
| 04:43:59 | whardier | shoots angry |
| 04:44:04 | angry | booo |
| 04:44:04 | kergoth | listens to his neighbor pound on the wall to get him to turn down the music |
| 04:44:06 | angry | whardier-- |
| 04:44:07 | arrrg | where did my mp3's go? |
| 04:44:11 | whardier | kergoth :) |
| 04:44:12 | arrrg | when I synched them to the zaurus? |
| 04:44:13 | treke|work | ToyKeeper: the zaurus has to rotate the screen toshow something at 240x320 |
| 04:44:16 | whardier | whardier++ |
| 04:44:17 | dmallor | I do like TKCjabber.. very clean looking |
| 04:44:42 | whardier | heh |
| 04:44:57 | angry | gah where is nei |
| 04:44:58 | whardier | my kitty ha some sexthy curves |
| 04:45:05 | angry | s/i/o |
| 04:45:08 | kergoth | whardier: you need a woman. |
| 04:45:09 | arrrg | ah better question |
| 04:45:11 | arrrg | where is my sd card |
| 04:45:12 | | Neo|Away was last seen on #zaurus 62 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: warmi: gcc 3.x probably works fien but it doesn't work with the zaurus or anything. C++ ABI is different [Thu May 30 19:08:22 2002] |
| 04:45:12 | angry | ibot, seen Neo|Away |
| 04:45:15 | arrrg | in the filesystem |
| 04:45:16 | | NeoTron was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 33 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: not only that, I have 3 days off [Tue Jul 30 05:11:34 2002] |
| 04:45:16 | angry | ibot, seen NeoTron |
| 04:45:18 | whardier | kergoth: dude.. I sooo need a woman |
| 04:45:24 | whardier | I got all hard playing with tmpfs today |
| 04:45:31 | kergoth | whardier: aha, thats just wrong |
| 04:45:40 | arrrg | found it! |
| 04:45:49 | ToyKeeper | Yes, I know the Z rotates to show portrait-mode stuff. But when scrolling portrait-mode stuff, you can actually see it redrawing line by line, top to bottom. The problem is that it's not really top to bottom. :) |
| 04:46:06 | whardier | ok |
| 04:46:07 | ToyKeeper | When using landscape mode, things seem to scroll about 5 times faster. |
| 04:46:08 | whardier | hmm |
| 04:46:19 | whardier | kinetica || book || pet cat |
| 04:46:26 | sjohnson | That is why I prefer X. Rotating works like a champ! |
| 04:46:26 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: ahhh i see what you're saying. its still drawing up-down when it should draw left-right to give the right appearance to the user |
| 04:46:28 | kergoth | eh |
| 04:46:31 | whardier | vagrant story ? |
| 04:46:36 | whardier | I never finished that |
| 04:46:40 | cdm | ToyKeeper: QT/E being stupid about how it does the rotation? |
| 04:46:41 | kergoth | whardier: ? |
| 04:46:55 | treke|work | sjohnson: hehe |
| 04:46:56 | whardier | misses his pickle |
| 04:47:00 | sig | howdy |
| 04:47:01 | DaWorm | vagrant story had a wicket plot |
| 04:47:02 | ToyKeeper | It's probably a problem created by a rotation abstraction layer of some sort. |
| 04:47:09 | kergoth | cdm: yeah. no one's really surprised though ;-) |
| 04:47:25 | whardier | DaWorm I am about 80% done with it |
| 04:47:32 | angry | QT/E can rotate? |
| 04:47:37 | treke|work | angry: yes |
| 04:47:43 | angry | treke|home: howzzit? |
| 04:47:52 | kergoth | angry: yes, install qpe-rotation and the qt/e rotation fonts |
| 04:47:56 | arrrg | hmm.. I am gonna watch a movie over the network on my zaurus :-D |
| 04:47:57 | DaWorm | qpe-rotation |
| 04:48:07 | cdm | kergoth: No kidding. not a big surprise at all I don't think. |
| 04:48:09 | angry | ahh |
| 04:48:11 | whardier | pops in some Neo Cyber Christ |
| 04:48:25 | kergoth | cdm: i think i'm getting more cynical and jaded the older i get. hehe |
| 04:48:28 | whardier | or do I want some Velvet Acid Christ? |
| 04:48:34 | whardier | soo many flavors |
| 04:48:37 | DaWorm | qpe-rotation doesnt work with opera though |
| 04:48:42 | DaWorm | but works great with hancom apps |
| 04:48:49 | kergoth | DaWorm: thats because opera is being stupid. |
| 04:48:51 | whardier | ahh.. skinny puppy.. heh |
| 04:48:54 | kergoth | DaWorm: badly designed |
| 04:49:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:49:03 | DaWorm | well konqueror works better though |
| 04:49:07 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:49:18 | whardier | oh |
| 04:49:18 | whardier | btw |
| 04:49:26 | DaWorm | i had this client call once |
| 04:49:27 | whardier | anybody used XDirectFB |
| 04:49:29 | whardier | its neat.. |
| 04:49:36 | DaWorm | and only used the z to do a powerpoint presentation |
| 04:49:37 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:49:40 | DaWorm | we were on the road |
| 04:49:43 | DaWorm | and it was perfect |
| 04:49:55 | whardier | I am thinking XDirectFB needs to be on the Z |
| 04:50:13 | whardier | its just neat.. using ctrl and the mouse scroller you can change the opacity of each window |
| 04:50:22 | DaWorm | good thing hancome scaled nicely with qpe-rotation |
| 04:50:25 | kergoth | whardier: nifty. do it |
| 04:50:41 | whardier | naw.. the pickle commands me to read now |
| 04:51:03 | cdm | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/zlib-license.php |
| 04:51:06 | cdm | my fav. license. |
| 04:51:43 | kergoth | cdm: i like that. |
| 04:52:06 | cdm | simple, to the point. |
| 04:52:08 | whardier | thats .. short |
| 04:52:17 | DaWorm | that's direct to the point |
| 04:52:18 | DaWorm | i like it |
| 04:52:25 | DaWorm | no crap |
| 04:52:27 | DaWorm | whatsoever |
| 04:52:28 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:52:46 | whardier | Ilike the artistic liscence |
| 04:52:46 | DaWorm | i'll bookmark this :) |
| 04:52:53 | whardier | any liscence that explains the artists package.. is just cool |
| 04:53:23 | angry | we need more gamex0rz for teh Z! |
| 04:53:43 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:53:48 | DaWorm | true |
| 04:53:50 | whardier | that made slightly more sense then.. "games are for peanuts.. only good for horses" |
| 04:53:59 | DaWorm | my wife has a be-300 |
| 04:54:01 | kergoth | angry: dood, how many letters do you really need in the word games |
| 04:54:03 | DaWorm | and i play nes with it |
| 04:54:04 | kergoth | angry: heheh |
| 04:54:14 | angry | kergoth: i can do more if you'd like :) |
| 04:54:15 | DaWorm | although i had it reflashed to epodxp |
| 04:54:23 | kergoth | angry: oh no, thats quite alright |
| 04:54:24 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:54:34 | angry | kergoth: heh, have you played "RocketElite"? |
| 04:54:34 | DaWorm | because the wince 3.0 interface looks very very ugly |
| 04:54:40 | angry | neo ported it from PPC |
| 04:54:48 | whardier | neat |
| 04:54:49 | kergoth | angry: i know. havent played it yet |
| 04:54:51 | whardier | Max is happy with me today |
| 04:55:01 | kergoth | max? |
| 04:55:03 | kergoth | cat? |
| 04:55:06 | whardier | yeah |
| 04:55:10 | whardier | he is chilling on the desk |
| 04:55:12 | whardier | instead of annoying me |
| 04:55:20 | DaWorm | rocketelite? |
| 04:55:26 | whardier | Cock Rocket! |
| 04:55:30 | whardier | </orgazmo> |
| 04:55:33 | DaWorm | lol |
| 04:55:40 | DaWorm | chowder boy |
| 04:55:43 | DaWorm | did i get that right |
| 04:55:45 | whardier | Choada Boy! |
| 04:55:47 | DaWorm | there |
| 04:55:48 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:56:00 | whardier | is gonna remember you called it Chowder Boy |
| 04:56:06 | whardier | I can think of a few fun jokes now |
| 04:56:30 | DaWorm | hahahha |
| 04:56:51 | whardier | Augh.. bah.. I think my tapeworm is getting the best of me |
| 04:56:56 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 04:57:03 | DaWorm | all i remember on that movie is that sidekick with the rubber dildo on top of him |
| 04:57:08 | whardier | haha |
| 04:57:28 | DaWorm | and chasey lain |
| 04:57:28 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:57:29 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bastard/movies/Orgazmo/orgazmo.divx.avi |
| 04:57:55 | DaWorm | holy |
| 04:57:59 | DaWorm | that's the whole movie? |
| 04:58:04 | whardier | I hope |
| 04:58:04 | angry | what other movies are on there? |
| 04:58:09 | whardier | heey. |
| 04:58:11 | whardier | get on giFT |
| 04:58:13 | angry | it tells me to go away in the movies folder :) |
| 04:58:28 | | Gift is a Java platform which allows developers to create custom editors dedicated to any representation language or formalism. URL: http://www.xrce.xerox.com/ats/gift/download/download.html |
| 04:58:28 | angry | ibot gift |
| 04:58:35 | whardier | err |
| 04:58:35 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 04:58:36 | whardier | no |
| 04:58:36 | DaWorm | haha |
| 04:58:40 | kergoth | wtf |
| 04:58:43 | | kergoth: I forgot gift |
| 04:58:43 | kergoth | ibot: forget gift |
| 04:58:48 | whardier | http://gift.sf.net |
| 04:59:04 | whardier | download the CVS |
| 04:59:34 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 04:59:34 | kergoth | ibot: gift is an acronym for "giFT: Internet File Transfer". The giFT project is an initiative to attempt to unify the divided peer-to-peer community following Napster's demise. URL: http://gift.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:59:34 | angry | meh im running windows right now anyway |
| 04:59:47 | whardier | search for Tron-HiQ-DivX.avi |
| 04:59:47 | kergoth | angry: there are windows clients for giFT |
| 04:59:49 | whardier | and you have found me |
| 05:00:30 | angry | kergoth: where can i find them |
| 05:00:41 | kergoth | angry: gift.sf.net! |
| 05:00:43 | kergoth | angry: hehe |
| 05:00:46 | ToyKeeper | BTW whardier, before you go again... |
| 05:00:48 | whardier | anyhoot.. my cigarettes are commanding my intoxication |
| 05:00:50 | kergoth | angry: there's a url on the developer page to 'clients' |
| 05:00:52 | ToyKeeper | http://home.xyzz.org/tmp/sunset-2.jpg |
| 05:00:58 | whardier | and my cats are demanding my allegance.. |
| 05:01:09 | whardier | gets scared |
| 05:01:18 | angry | ahh, thanks |
| 05:01:36 | whardier | like I said the other day.. you captured a scene from ID4 |
| 05:01:55 | whardier | ToyKeeper did you darken the houses? |
| 05:02:01 | ToyKeeper | No. |
| 05:02:13 | whardier | what did you do differently? |
| 05:02:15 | Wembly | kittys heheh |
| 05:02:18 | Wembly | they will takeover the world. |
| 05:02:28 | Wembly | presumeing the squrrels dont succeed 1st. |
| 05:02:34 | whardier | cats eat them |
| 05:02:56 | ToyKeeper | Eh, I used gimp instead of panofactory... |
| 05:03:02 | whardier | those are some crazy mother fucking clouds |
| 05:03:02 | Wembly | herm. |
| 05:03:05 | Wembly | this gift thingie. |
| 05:03:05 | arrrg | well I found out why my computer was over heating |
| 05:03:09 | arrrg | my brother had over clocked it! |
| 05:03:10 | whardier | mind if I use this pic for an environment map? |
| 05:03:19 | ToyKeeper | Sure. |
| 05:03:38 | whardier | I might wrap an environment cyl around the vasi balls.. haha.. |
| 05:03:46 | whardier | that would look.. so groovy |
| 05:04:28 | whardier | 00:09:51 (769.91 KB/s) - `sunset-2.jpg' saved [294068/294068] |
| 05:04:29 | angry | what daemon IP do you need to connect to |
| 05:04:30 | whardier | I lvoe squid |
| 05:04:36 | whardier | alove it too |
| 05:04:40 | whardier | damn futz whatasdf |
| 05:04:49 | Wembly | wonders who knows a bunch about gift? |
| 05:05:02 | kergoth | Wembly: just ask the question |
| 05:05:02 | whardier | gives Wembly a giFT |
| 05:05:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:05:55 | kergoth | geh time for me to read then sleep |
| 05:05:56 | kergoth | night all |
| 05:06:22 | sig_Zaurus | bash-2.05# cat /proc/cpuinfo Processor : Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 8 (v4l) BogoMIPS : 137.21 Hardware : Sharp-Collie Revision : 0000 Serial : 0000000000000000 bash-2.05# |
| 05:07:00 | angry | 's giFT wont connect :-/ |
| 05:08:49 | cdm | anyone wanna play AoK? |
| 05:09:24 | angry | AoK = ? |
| 05:09:24 | benwei | sig_Zaurus: i thought it was 206 mHz? |
| 05:09:32 | sig | ? |
| 05:09:41 | sig | it is |
| 05:09:45 | cdm | Age of Kings - Age of Empires II. |
| 05:10:05 | angry | ahh I had that until I reformatted |
| 05:10:27 | benwei | sig: oh. hehe i see numbers and i get all excited. just saw the 137 |
| 05:10:45 | arrrg | bogomips is not a good indicator of speed |
| 05:10:50 | arrrg | for non-x86 |
| 05:11:05 | angry | what do you set as the daemon IP in giFT |
| 05:11:18 | Wembly | arrg: i thought it wasnt a good indicator of speed no matter what platform. |
| 05:11:29 | Wembly | angry: whatever daemon your running. |
| 05:11:42 | Wembly | if you run the daemon on the same box then id say localhost |
| 05:12:04 | angry | meh, isnt working for me |
| 05:12:37 | angry | prob. my network setup |
| 05:12:56 | Wembly | typein localhost? |
| 05:13:01 | Wembly | do you have the daemon running? |
| 05:15:05 | sjohnson | well off to bed for me. 'Nite all. |
| 05:15:18 | angry | Wembly: i'm using wiFT, its supposed to run the daemon automatically if no connection is available |
| 05:15:43 | Wembly | angry: dunno |
| 05:15:46 | Wembly | i dont have gift :) |
| 05:15:51 | Wembly | i just read some of the documentation |
| 05:19:02 | whardier | sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep |
| 05:20:19 | MrSleep | sleep |
| 05:20:36 | whardier | I ran out of funk juice |
| 05:24:39 | arrrg | what would happen if I changed inittab |
| 05:24:43 | arrrg | to go to runlevel 3 |
| 05:25:02 | arrrg | would it boot to a shell? |
| 05:26:35 | whardier | twinkle twinkle little.. porno staaaaaaaar |
| 05:28:20 | jmhodges | thinks that could be turned into a real cool song |
| 05:28:34 | whardier | dude |
| 05:28:49 | whardier | I want a mmrgp with fighting tactics like in Vagrant story |
| 05:28:58 | whardier | that would be the pimp |
| 05:29:07 | whardier | oh well.. /me continues dreaming.. |
| 05:29:13 | whardier | I am really asleep typing with my drool |
| 05:29:42 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 05:29:47 | jmhodges | gnight whardier |
| 05:29:54 | whardier | night jmhodges |
| 05:30:00 | whardier | nigh #zaurus |
| 05:30:02 | whardier | heh |
| 05:30:03 | whardier | night |
| 05:30:09 | whardier | runs from his mistake |
| 05:30:45 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 05:31:00 | jmhodges | can some one explain to me what patch -R does |
| 05:31:05 | jmhodges | the manpage sucks |
| 05:36:02 | NeoTron | arrrg: hmm? |
| 05:37:09 | DaWorm | night |
| 05:37:18 | DaWorm | well its almost 4pm here |
| 05:37:25 | DaWorm | still have an hour of work to do |
| 05:42:20 | arrrg | NeoTron: have you ever done that? |
| 05:42:23 | arrrg | what does it do? |
| 05:42:30 | arrrg | will it boot to a shell? |
| 05:42:37 | jmhodges | arrrg: depends |
| 05:42:42 | arrrg | I don't wanna be stuck without my zaurus :-p |
| 05:42:53 | jmhodges | ooh on the zee |
| 05:42:55 | arrrg | if I try to do something and it never boots again |
| 05:42:58 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:43:10 | jmhodges | init 3 wont crash it :) |
| 05:43:17 | jmhodges | but! |
| 05:43:22 | jmhodges | if you want to go to consoel |
| 05:43:27 | jmhodges | theres a better way |
| 05:43:38 | arrrg | I got the terminal |
| 05:43:43 | jmhodges | well yeah |
| 05:43:46 | jmhodges | but i mean no qtopia |
| 05:43:50 | arrrg | yeah? |
| 05:44:34 | jmhodges | theres a delay at the first part of text when you boot up the z (not coming back from a suspend mind you from a reboot) it should say something odd with three . after it or so.. |
| 05:44:38 | jmhodges | when this pops up |
| 05:44:45 | jmhodges | hold down the / on the kerboard |
| 05:46:32 | DaWorm | you then get choices |
| 05:46:37 | jmhodges | yep |
| 05:46:40 | jmhodges | hit 3 |
| 05:46:40 | DaWorm | a gets you to terminal |
| 05:46:41 | arrrg | ah |
| 05:46:43 | jmhodges | er.. not 3 |
| 05:46:47 | jmhodges | but the third selection |
| 05:46:49 | jmhodges | should be e |
| 05:46:57 | DaWorm | i think e goes to qtopia? |
| 05:47:00 | DaWorm | i dont remember |
| 05:47:00 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:47:15 | arrrg | crazy |
| 05:47:16 | DaWorm | well anyway you get choices |
| 05:47:30 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:47:36 | jmhodges | maybe its a? |
| 05:47:36 | DaWorm | just do the usual log on to root |
| 05:47:39 | jmhodges | fuck i cant remember |
| 05:47:44 | DaWorm | lemme try it |
| 05:47:55 | jmhodges | is to tired and too busy reverting to an older kernel |
| 05:47:58 | jmhodges | stupid usbdnet |
| 05:48:01 | jmhodges | if this doesnt work |
| 05:48:03 | jmhodges | then |
| 05:48:08 | jmhodges | its a hw problem |
| 05:48:14 | jmhodges | and ill be pissed that i wasted my time |
| 05:48:23 | DaWorm | its a |
| 05:48:25 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:48:37 | DaWorm | q goes straight to qtopia |
| 05:48:58 | DaWorm | well e is basically the sane |
| 05:49:11 | DaWorm | except the other choices have pppd and stuff |
| 05:56:44 | arrrg | where is the esc key |
| 05:56:46 | arrrg | :-\ |
| 05:56:52 | arrrg | or, how do I press escape |
| 05:57:04 | arrrg | with the keyboard |
| 05:57:15 | jmhodges | excellent question |
| 05:57:18 | jmhodges | shuts up |
| 05:57:21 | jmhodges | ... |
| 05:57:31 | jmhodges | seriously i have yet to find a way to do that |
| 05:57:37 | arrrg | I remember before I got this thing I read about certain keystrokes |
| 05:57:44 | arrrg | I will find out |
| 05:57:46 | arrrg | right now |
| 05:57:49 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:58:52 | arrrg | shift + space is the pipe symbol |
| 05:58:58 | arrrg | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/character_input.php3 |
| 05:59:00 | arrrg | they are there |
| 05:59:02 | arrrg | found it |
| 05:59:27 | jmhodges | yeah found that |
| 05:59:32 | jmhodges | but whats esc ? |
| 06:00:00 | arrrg | cancel button |
| 06:21:25 | Wembly | how do you mount a initrd.bin image? |
| 06:21:54 | Wembly | hello upsidedown :) |
| 06:22:10 | Wembly | backwards too :) |
| 06:23:36 | umopapisdn | :) |
| 06:23:51 | umopapisdn | Are you sitting upsidedown? nobody ever notices... :) |
| 06:27:18 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 06:36:00 | NeoTron | arrrg:have I ever done what? |
| 06:36:55 | arrrg | nevermind |
| 06:38:34 | NeoTron | heh |
| 06:46:09 | arrrg | is there any way to get colors with ls? |
| 06:48:04 | jmhodges | arrrg: i think the sharp rom uses an oooold busybox w/o colors |
| 06:48:16 | jmhodges | but that was just from over heard conversation |
| 06:48:19 | jmhodges | i cant be certain on taht |
| 06:49:37 | darienm | At least the version of busybox on the Sharp 2.20 rom did not support color |
| 06:49:48 | darienm | If you install a new busybox, you can get colors |
| 06:49:58 | darienm | But you waste the space, because you can't UNINSTALL the existing one. |
| 06:50:20 | scanline | openzaurus! |
| 06:50:30 | darienm | I'll be playing with that tomorrow. |
| 06:50:44 | darienm | NeoTron: ping |
| 06:51:05 | arrrg | how big is it |
| 06:51:08 | arrrg | that it wastes space |
| 06:51:23 | darienm | busybox? big enough that I didnt want to use it. More than 600K for sure. |
| 06:51:30 | arrrg | oh |
| 06:51:33 | arrrg | :-( |
| 06:51:46 | darienm | Yeah -- quite a bit over the threshhold of "worth it for the extra features" |
| 06:52:00 | scanline | # ls -l /bin/busybox |
| 06:52:00 | scanline | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 326828 Jan 1 1970 /bin/busybox |
| 06:52:00 | scanline | # |
| 06:52:37 | scanline | that's the busybox from openzaurus, and it includes color |
| 06:52:51 | rikkus | can't you just put it in /mnt/cf/busybox/thebinary, add symlinks to it in there, then set your PATH to use /mnt/cf/busybox/ first ? |
| 06:52:53 | darienm | ok, 300K |
| 06:53:00 | arrrg | mine says Dec 31, 1969 |
| 06:53:01 | darienm | Was still too big for my taste. |
| 06:53:23 | darienm | rikkus: sure, you can put it on external storage |
| 06:53:31 | arrrg | whatever, I don't really need color I guess |
| 06:53:46 | darienm | But because of its nature, it made more sense (to me) to put it in RAM. |
| 06:53:57 | darienm | And I didnt want to give up that much. |
| 06:54:09 | darienm | NeoTron are you there? |
| 06:55:11 | darienm | Yay, ZSI is back up |
| 06:57:56 | darienm | Busybox 0.60.3 (the newest, dated Apr 27) is 480K |
| 06:58:13 | darienm | The version in OpenZaurus must be either (a) compressed or (b) missing something. |
| 07:01:18 | rikkus | holds his breath while his ROM update happens |
| 07:03:37 | rikkus | does it really cause a severe problem if the ROM update doesn't work right ? I mean, you should just be able to reflash, right ? |
| 07:11:03 | darienm | if you mess up getting the new ROM into the ROM space, there is nothing to reflash. |
| 07:11:07 | darienm | The Z wont boot. |
| 07:11:24 | darienm | So its okay to sweat, just a little. |
| 07:11:43 | rikkus | heh |
| 07:11:43 | darienm | but me, I'm going to sleep. 3AM in Chicago. I have work in 4 hours. |
| 07:11:54 | rikkus | well, it worked |
| 07:17:13 | DaWorm | its almost 5:30pm here in oita |
| 07:29:26 | Wembly | anyone know howto mount initrd.bin from oz? |
| 07:29:48 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 07:29:51 | Jerakeen | Wembly: Which one? |
| 07:30:08 | Wembly | any? |
| 07:30:16 | Wembly | i never knew there was more then |
| 07:30:19 | Wembly | more then 1 |
| 07:30:20 | Jerakeen | oh, the oz one. Very hard. Hang on. |
| 07:32:43 | Jerakeen | Hmm, I can't see google. |
| 07:33:05 | Jerakeen | Wembly: You need to make a kernel mtd device, and dd the initrd file into it, then mount that, essentially. |
| 07:36:26 | rikkus | is there an OZ home page? |
| 07:36:32 | Wembly | wha?! |
| 07:36:35 | Wembly | whats a mtd device? |
| 07:37:27 | Jerakeen | Wembly: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoopBack |
| 07:37:52 | Jerakeen | there's two ways, but the direct loopback way didn't work for me. |
| 07:37:59 | Wembly | hehe ditto |
| 07:38:02 | Jerakeen | I think a good question to ask would be 'why do you want to do such a thing'? |
| 07:38:16 | Wembly | hehehehehehe |
| 07:38:18 | Wembly | dont ask :) |
| 07:38:50 | Wembly | what the hell is jffs? |
| 07:39:10 | Jerakeen | I have mounted the sharp one before, to install all the tkc stuff into the ROM and save me some space, but there's no point changing the oz root, because it's changable on the device... |
| 07:39:21 | Jerakeen | Wembly: 'journalling flash file system'. |
| 07:39:25 | | JFFS is the Journaling Flash File System developed by Axis Communications in Sweden, aimed at providing a crash/powerdown-safe filesystem for disk-less embedded devices. |
| 07:39:25 | Jerakeen | ibot: jffs? |
| 07:39:25 | Wembly | and where do i get it? |
| 07:39:34 | Jerakeen | Wembly: What kernel are you running? |
| 07:39:37 | Wembly | 2.4.18 |
| 07:39:51 | Jerakeen | It's in that one, you have to compile it in, just like ext3, whatever. |
| 07:40:00 | Wembly | yea but i dont see it |
| 07:40:03 | Wembly | where is it under? |
| 07:40:10 | Jerakeen | file systems? |
| 07:40:13 | Wembly | or do you need a mtd device support on to do it? |
| 07:40:23 | Jerakeen | Yep. |
| 07:40:30 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 07:40:34 | Jerakeen | aah, I remrmber, there's a lot of dependancies for it. |
| 07:40:35 | Wembly | what options in mtd do i need? |
| 07:41:27 | Jerakeen | You'll need CONFIG_MTD_BLKMTD, CONFIG_MTD_MTDRAM at least, to mount it. |
| 07:41:52 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 07:42:14 | Wembly | *hides* |
| 07:42:22 | Wembly | *covers his ears and eyes* |
| 07:42:48 | Jerakeen | Oh, and CONFIG_MTD_BLOCK I think. |
| 07:43:07 | Jerakeen | Essentially, it's a /lot/ of mess. Are you sure you need to do this? |
| 07:43:15 | Wembly | no :) |
| 07:43:22 | Wembly | truthfuly i dont need to do anything :) |
| 07:43:26 | Wembly | i just wanta play :) |
| 07:43:35 | Wembly | *goes back to playing with other things* |
| 07:43:38 | Jerakeen | why can't you play on the device? |
| 07:43:44 | Wembly | hehe |
| 07:43:45 | Wembly | cus |
| 07:44:03 | Wembly | so is initrd.bin jffs2 or cramfs? |
| 07:44:11 | Jerakeen | the oz one is jffs2 |
| 07:44:23 | Jerakeen | has to be, it's writable. |
| 07:44:32 | Wembly | joyish hhe |
| 07:50:43 | Wembly | thank you btw :) |
| 07:54:01 | DaWorm | bbl |
| 08:26:37 | Jerakeen | Ok, my zaurus is unplugged, I took the battery out, and the screen is still displaying the oz boot logo. I'm freaked. |
| 08:27:15 | pdq | there is a backup battery inside |
| 08:28:49 | Jerakeen | I had the impression that was a 'keep memory going', not keep device running. |
| 08:29:20 | Jerakeen | crap, I've killed it. Reinstall again. Sigh. |
| 08:30:18 | pdq | sometimes I wish it was like in the olden days where the ROMs where in a socket and could be exchanged |
| 08:33:10 | Twiun | Morning folks |
| 08:33:24 | pdq | hi |
| 08:34:49 | rikkus | hi |
| 08:35:07 | Wembly | pdq: i wish they were socketed as well. |
| 08:35:14 | Wembly | but am happy they are flashrom's now |
| 08:35:24 | rikkus | does the Sharp ROM or the OZ ROM have NFS or Samba ? I fancy mounting my Linux box to avoid having to keep scp'ing .ipks to the CF then installing to the CF |
| 08:38:10 | Wembly | i think sharp rom has nfs |
| 08:38:13 | Wembly | and there is a package for samba |
| 08:38:23 | Wembly | i dunno about the oz rom |
| 08:38:40 | rikkus | ok, thanks |
| 08:39:04 | Wembly | oz has smb and nfs filesystem support (aka shows up in /proc/filesystems) |
| 08:39:14 | Wembly | so i presume that means it has the ablity to mount them. |
| 08:39:22 | rikkus | yes |
| 08:48:58 | scanline | rikkus: I know OZ has NFS, dunno about the sharp rom |
| 08:51:41 | Wembly | ls |
| 08:51:41 | rikkus | ah, seems it does actually |
| 08:51:42 | Wembly | err |
| 08:55:02 | rikkus | oh |
| 08:55:12 | rikkus | I added a mount to my Linux box's audio dir |
| 08:55:32 | rikkus | and I think tkcPlayer is having some trouble now :) |
| 08:55:51 | rikkus | finally started |
| 08:55:53 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 08:55:56 | rikkus | it had to look at 1444 files |
| 08:55:58 | Wembly | i really gotta kill my system |
| 08:56:58 | Wembly | well not kill my system but i gotta kill usbdnet |
| 08:57:00 | Wembly | or something |
| 09:00:26 | rikkus | what's up? |
| 09:11:09 | Wembly | herm? |
| 09:11:10 | Wembly | me? |
| 09:11:11 | Wembly | not much |
| 09:11:15 | Wembly | poking at stuffs |
| 09:19:24 | rikkus | just tried to press a taskbar button on his desktop using his Z pen |
| 09:20:05 | George- | ? |
| 09:20:05 | George- | lol |
| 09:23:13 | Wembly | hahaha |
| 09:23:15 | Wembly | poor rikkus |
| 09:38:35 | Twiun | lol |
| 09:52:43 | Wembly | umm. |
| 09:52:48 | Wembly | herm. |
| 09:52:59 | Wembly | ponders |
| 10:09:56 | Jerakeen | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcmemo/_img/screenshots/systemtheme.png # Am I the only one who considers this to be a very silly dialog? |
| 10:10:28 | smee|w | I dont know what it means :) |
| 10:11:26 | Jerakeen | All the kompany apps ignore (except under certain weird conditions :-( ) the appearences preferences of the Zaurus, and do their own thing. This is Bad and Wrong. |
| 10:12:44 | Twiun[lunch] | In this instance, I see it as a necessary evil. Until Qtopia goes to v3 and therefore supports theming, this type of thing will continue to happen |
| 10:13:26 | Jerakeen | why do we need theming? |
| 10:13:33 | Jerakeen | And what's wrong with things like liquid? |
| 10:13:59 | Twiun[lunch] | liquid is a theme |
| 10:14:26 | Jerakeen | Ok, and liquid works at the moment. Hell, I can jump through some hoops and have all the kompany stuff liquid-themed if I want. |
| 10:14:38 | Jerakeen | But I shouldn't have to do the jumping in the first place. |
| 10:14:46 | Twiun | liquid work at the moment... under what rom? the Sharp one, or OZ? |
| 10:14:51 | Jerakeen | oz. |
| 10:14:55 | Twiun | there you go |
| 10:15:03 | Twiun | OZ uses an improved version of qtopia |
| 10:15:15 | Jerakeen | aaah, does it? Ok, this is news to me. |
| 10:15:39 | Twiun | yeah. It's backwards compatible... with extra bits - especially theming |
| 10:15:46 | smee|w | still qt v2.x though? |
| 10:15:59 | Jerakeen | Ok, fair enough. In that case, I approve of the above dialog box. As long as they put it in all their other apps soon. :-) |
| 10:16:08 | Twiun | as the tkc stuff is intended primarily for people who won't do OZ (yet)... they have to cope with the old Qtopia from Sharp |
| 10:16:18 | Twiun | smee|w: Yeah... |
| 10:16:42 | Twiun | going to qt3 would break the compatibility |
| 10:17:01 | smee|w | ah, yeah |
| 10:17:27 | Twiun | best person to chat to is kergoth |
| 10:17:32 | Twiun | if you want more info |
| 10:19:05 | | rumour has it kergoth is at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 10:19:05 | Twiun | ibot: kergoth |
| 10:19:23 | Twiun | He's the guy behind OZ |
| 10:19:25 | Jerakeen | From the other end, of course, the tkc theme is quite nice. Equally good for me would be an opie theme that made everything look like the tkc apps. I want consistency, not a given look... |
| 10:19:56 | Twiun | perfectly understandable |
| 10:19:58 | Wembly | herm. |
| 10:20:04 | Wembly | thinks he just found a newer usbdnet.c |
| 10:20:06 | Twiun | It's a shame that Qtopia is currently so limited |
| 10:20:13 | Wembly | dunno how stable it is tho. |
| 10:22:40 | Twiun | heads off to lunch |
| 10:22:43 | Twiun | ... again ;-) |
| 10:28:01 | Wembly | ugh! |
| 10:28:10 | Wembly | for the life of me i cant seem to produce a diff hehe |
| 10:35:19 | Wembly | herm. |
| 10:45:02 | Wembly | herm. |
| 10:45:06 | Wembly | i gotta reboot soon |
| 10:48:29 | Twiun | might as well do sooner rather than later ;-) |
| 10:48:29 | Wembly | hehe |
| 10:48:30 | Wembly | well something screwy happend to my system. |
| 10:48:30 | Wembly | i think usbdnet driver has a bug |
| 10:51:41 | Twiun | several afaik |
| 10:51:57 | Twiun | I occasionally have to reboot because usbdnet won't assign an ip to the Z |
| 10:51:57 | Twiun | but that's quite rare |
| 10:54:11 | Twiun | there's also that strange "fixed dongle" syslog message |
| 10:54:11 | Twiun | the bandwith starvation issue |
| 10:54:11 | Twiun | I can go on... I wish I knew enough to fix it |
| 10:57:50 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 11:00:36 | Twiun | Heya Cloudchaser |
| 11:02:40 | Wembly | twiun: my problem is that something is causeing some horrid error with ifconfig |
| 11:09:14 | Cloudchaser | how's everyone today? |
| 11:13:14 | Wembly | twiun: were my system will go generate a kernel panic msg about a NULL pointer in there somewhere. |
| 11:13:21 | Cloudchaser | ack! channel split! |
| 11:13:21 | Wembly | poking at the kernel |
| 11:13:21 | Wembly | so.. |
| 11:13:21 | Wembly | id say confuseing. |
| 11:13:21 | Wembly | or confused |
| 11:13:21 | Wembly | herm. |
| 11:13:21 | Wembly | wish i knew more about the kernel junks. |
| 11:13:21 | Wembly | yea such is life |
| 11:22:35 | ][N-Flux | is away: work... |
| 11:32:22 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 11:44:02 | Twiun | Hehe... give it a few hours |
| 11:44:02 | cranch_ | I felt that way |
| 11:44:02 | cranch_ | damn net splits |
| 11:44:02 | | yes, cranch_? |
| 11:44:02 | cranch_ | ibot |
| 11:44:02 | cranch_ | ? |
| 11:44:02 | Cloudchaser | hmm i've been lurking about in zaurus general for a while and never posted |
| 11:44:02 | djk | third split in a short time what is causing them? |
| 11:44:02 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: better start ;-) |
| 11:44:02 | Cloudchaser | i just tried though, and failed |
| 11:44:02 | djk | Cloudchaser: did you log in? |
| 11:44:02 | Twiun | djk: Probably some joker with his finger on the power button of the main hub... |
| 11:44:02 | Cloudchaser | hehe i did try ;) |
| 11:44:03 | Cloudchaser | djk, no i don't think so |
| 11:44:03 | Cloudchaser | i've never actually posted to one before |
| 11:44:03 | djk | Cloudchaser: you need to log in to be able to post. Odd you didn't get a message indicating that |
| 11:44:03 | Cloudchaser | i use news.le.org/le.lists.zaurus.general |
| 11:44:03 | djk | Twiun: I bet the cleaning people are vacumning ;-) |
| 11:44:03 | Wembly | man |
| 11:44:03 | Twiun | djk: yeah |
| 11:44:03 | Wembly | what id kill for a dotty of this stupid file |
| 11:44:03 | djk | Cloudchaser: Oh, I thought you meant zauruszone.com forums my mistake |
| 11:44:03 | Cloudchaser | hmm..i get the digest also..don't remember even if i have username and password |
| 11:44:03 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: that's your problem... news.le.org is readonly |
| 11:44:03 | Cloudchaser | ohh |
| 11:44:03 | Twiun | you need to email to the list itself |
| 11:44:03 | Cloudchaser | how do i post then? |
| 11:44:04 | Twiun | first, register with the list... zaurus.sf.net |
| 11:44:04 | Twiun | although if you're getting a digest, you should have a password |
| 11:44:04 | Twiun | so you could just email the list - instructions on the list page |
| 11:44:04 | Cloudchaser | i think i did, as i get the emails..i see in the digest a link to post |
| 11:44:04 | Cloudchaser | i probly do twiun |
| 11:44:04 | Twiun | give it a try ;-) |
| 11:44:21 | | hmmm... zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 11:44:21 | cranch_ | ibot: zsi |
| 11:44:38 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: i want it to be a reply to someone else's post |
| 11:45:48 | cranch_ | anyone buy tkcToDo |
| 11:45:59 | Twiun | hmmm, then I'd guess make sure your reply as the "RE: " prepended to the original subject, send it to the list |
| 11:46:01 | cranch_ | ? |
| 11:47:12 | Twiun | not here... but then again, I never do the tasks I'm supposed to |
| 11:55:46 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: any luck? |
| 11:55:46 | Cloudchaser | in a round about sort of way |
| 11:55:46 | Cloudchaser | i'll let you know if it worked :) |
| 11:56:42 | Twiun | Heya benmeyer |
| 11:56:57 | Cloudchaser | mornin benmeyer |
| 11:57:58 | Cloudchaser | i'm trying to resize an avi file for use on z ;) |
| 11:59:43 | Cloudchaser | so far 2 times, with different settings.. working on 3rd |
| 11:59:43 | Cloudchaser | to try to find the best way |
| 11:59:43 | Cloudchaser | read some stuff for the ipaq and how to do it for use on pocket pc |
| 11:59:43 | Cloudchaser | figured should be about the same |
| 12:02:40 | msmax | cranch_: tkcToDo not released yet |
| 12:05:16 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 12:06:33 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: what will you use for playback on the Z? |
| 12:07:02 | Cloudchaser | tkc video ;) |
| 12:07:26 | Cloudchaser | i'll document my findings when i get the optimal settings |
| 12:08:14 | Cloudchaser | but its very slow going to figure those out |
| 12:08:14 | Cloudchaser | especially since i'm such a newb at video stuff |
| 12:09:03 | Cloudchaser | thank goodness for max's help |
| 12:09:46 | Nadav | hm |
| 12:09:49 | Nadav | matchbox looks pretty nice |
| 12:10:00 | Wembly | nadav: whats the url for that? |
| 12:10:05 | Cloudchaser | Nadav: i read about that last night |
| 12:10:19 | Cloudchaser | looks interesting |
| 12:10:19 | imm | hi |
| 12:10:19 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 12:10:46 | linux-Gg | hi |
| 12:10:46 | imm | can somebody help me to design a little protocol ? |
| 12:10:46 | Nadav | Wembly: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5966737838.html |
| 12:10:46 | Nadav | it's on slashdot |
| 12:10:58 | Wembly | herm. |
| 12:11:03 | Wembly | easyer to goto slashdot hee |
| 12:11:49 | Cloudchaser | well twiun, so far my response didn't get to the newsgroup |
| 12:15:48 | linux-Gg | Does anyone want to try some new Qtopia games (source download only, no ipks, so the SDK is required)? |
| 12:17:28 | imm | linux-Gg: if you give me the url i can try them later |
| 12:17:28 | linux-Gg | http://www.linux-games.com/zaurus/ |
| 12:17:46 | Nadav | hm. someone is sending me some really large spam |
| 12:17:49 | Nadav | my inbox is full again |
| 12:21:36 | benmeyer | hmm they are all tar.gz |
| 12:21:38 | benmeyer | source? |
| 12:21:41 | benmeyer | or ipks? |
| 12:30:43 | Wembly | ponders when kergoth will be awake? |
| 12:34:44 | numatrix | zmerlin is pretty fun... |
| 12:36:42 | numatrix | strangely enough, I couldn't compile it with my dev-x86 environment, but it worked for dev-arm |
| 12:36:42 | numatrix | linux-Gg: Do you want someone to make ipks for those? |
| 12:36:42 | gecko_x2 | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/ |
| 12:36:42 | gecko_x2 | that would be nice on the Z :) |
| 12:36:43 | Wembly | dosnt see whats so attractive about it. |
| 12:36:43 | Nadav | gecko_x2: yeah, that's what i said |
| 12:36:43 | Nadav | Wembly: the fact that it's not ugly makes it nice ;) |
| 12:36:43 | Wembly | true |
| 12:36:44 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 12:37:05 | Wembly | xml why anyone would relate it to 'small' 'light' or 'low anything' is beyond me. |
| 12:39:15 | Wembly | *idly waits for kergoth... |
| 12:39:48 | Wembly | gotta love that stayed up real late and havnt been to sleep buzz you get when you stayup all night working on somefin hehe |
| 12:40:34 | ljp_ | mmmmm coffee |
| 12:42:04 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 12:42:41 | ljp_ | hello |
| 12:44:45 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin :) |
| 12:51:40 | ljp_ | dont ya hate trying to debug apps that run differently on different devices... |
| 12:51:40 | Twiun | heya |
| 12:51:40 | Twiun | ljp_: Yep... gotta love Java... errr, or are you using something else? |
| 12:51:40 | Twiun | winks |
| 12:51:41 | ljp_ | haha.. no qt/e! |
| 12:51:41 | Nadav | heh |
| 12:51:42 | cranch | anyone here using Kismet? |
| 12:51:42 | Wembly | did my net connection just like die? |
| 12:51:42 | Wembly | herm. |
| 12:51:42 | cranch | I can see you Wembly |
| 12:51:42 | | hmmm... kismet is http://www.kismetwireless.net/ |
| 12:51:42 | cranch | ibot: kismet |
| 12:51:42 | Wembly | herm back |
| 12:51:42 | cranch | does anyone use Kismet? |
| 12:51:43 | ljp- | mmm chocolate for breakfast |
| 12:51:43 | ljp- | whats kismet? |
| 12:51:43 | cranch | the wireless stumbler type deal |
| 12:51:43 | | rumour has it zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 12:51:43 | cranch | ibot: zsi |
| 12:51:43 | ljp- | I'm sure _someone_ does |
| 12:51:43 | Wembly | ok back |
| 12:51:43 | cranch | http://www.kismetwireless.net/ |
| 12:51:43 | Cloudchaser | i hate even thinking about it |
| 12:51:44 | JasonNJ | btw, good chance of new rom being issued on monday |
| 12:51:44 | JasonNJ | 2.38 |
| 12:51:51 | Jerakeen | What will new rom /do/? |
| 12:52:30 | JasonNJ | security and SD card fix |
| 12:52:30 | Cloudchaser | oh nice! |
| 12:52:30 | Jerakeen | oooooh |
| 12:52:30 | Jerakeen | happy happy happy |
| 12:52:30 | cranch | sweet! |
| 12:52:30 | Cloudchaser | is there new qtopia desktop 1.5.1 coming monday too? |
| 12:52:30 | Cloudchaser | or will our synching be broken like it is in oz? |
| 12:52:30 | cranch | I got to keep asking this.... Anyone using Kismet? |
| 12:52:36 | Jerakeen | will we gat a 5000D version a little faster this time? |
| 12:52:37 | JasonNJ | dunno, thats a Trolltech thing, I know they are working on one |
| 12:52:45 | Cloudchaser | i use it sometimes cranch |
| 12:53:13 | JasonNJ | Jerakeen: hopefully at the same time |
| 12:53:13 | cranch | Cloud..which card? |
| 12:53:13 | Jerakeen | JasonNJ: I am officially a happy bunny now. |
| 12:53:14 | ljp- | well, if that security fix is in there, there had better be a new qtopiadesktop.. |
| 12:53:14 | cranch | I'm using a Dlink right now (until my SMC comes) |
| 12:53:14 | Wembly | SD card fix? |
| 12:53:14 | Cloudchaser | dlink |
| 12:53:14 | cranch | and I can't see my own AP in my house |
| 12:53:15 | cranch | are you using Prism2? |
| 12:53:17 | cranch | or pcap? |
| 12:53:20 | ljp- | or else Sharp will hear 10x what oz has been hearing |
| 12:53:31 | Cloudchaser | yeah ljp true |
| 12:54:08 | ljp- | the thought at opie is.. better to have a secure device than sync for now... |
| 12:54:13 | cranch | Cloud..do you just run kismet |
| 12:54:17 | Cloudchaser | cranch from command line you have to do prism2_hopper, then kismet |
| 12:54:21 | Jerakeen | I don't use sync myself... |
| 12:54:25 | cranch | ahhhh |
| 12:54:32 | cranch | gothca :) |
| 12:54:32 | cranch | brb.... |
| 12:54:46 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 12:54:50 | ljp- | I use sync.. but it's not that big of deal to me if I dont sync for a while. I canstill use ftp |
| 12:54:50 | Cloudchaser | (i think thats the command anyway) |
| 12:54:52 | Cloudchaser | hehe i better look |
| 12:55:14 | Cloudchaser | ljp yes this is true |
| 12:55:23 | Cloudchaser | but that's not the point ;) |
| 12:55:29 | Wembly | ljp: whats oz been hearing? |
| 12:55:43 | Cloudchaser | Wembly: "we can't synch!" |
| 12:55:49 | Wembly | ahh |
| 12:55:51 | Wembly | whynot? |
| 12:56:04 | Nadav | should have his Z by tomorrow |
| 12:56:07 | Cloudchaser | because security patches designed to work with qtopia desktop 1.5.1 |
| 12:56:15 | Cloudchaser | which has not been released |
| 12:56:16 | linux-Gg | back |
| 12:56:21 | ljp- | ya, what cloudchaser said |
| 12:56:22 | Wembly | ahh |
| 12:56:30 | Cloudchaser | kinda dopey |
| 12:56:34 | Wembly | *nods* |
| 12:56:54 | linux-Gg | benmeyer: They are source tars (answer to an old question) |
| 12:57:35 | linux-Gg | numatrix: I'll provide ipks for them as soon as I get a zaurus |
| 12:57:37 | Wembly | *ponders* |
| 12:57:49 | ljp- | it was kinda dopey to have that huge whole in the first place for so long |
| 12:58:14 | Wembly | omg |
| 12:58:14 | Wembly | this song is FAR too addictive. |
| 12:58:15 | Wembly | 'happy! smile! hello!' |
| 12:58:16 | Wembly | hehe |
| 12:58:18 | Wembly | siwwy me |
| 12:59:01 | cranch | it works...thanks Cloud :) |
| 12:59:15 | cranch | I'm a dope :) |
| 12:59:28 | cranch | haha |
| 12:59:28 | Wembly | herm. |
| 12:59:28 | Wembly | *ponders* |
| 13:00:16 | Cloudchaser | hehe you're welcome cranch ;) glad to help |
| 13:00:37 | Cloudchaser | the qt kismet works but its too fussy to get it working |
| 13:00:37 | Cloudchaser | works better from command lline |
| 13:00:40 | cranch | off to work :) ttfn |
| 13:00:53 | cranch | I like CLI for kismet... |
| 13:02:35 | cranch | hehe |
| 13:02:35 | Wembly | ttfn! |
| 13:02:35 | cranch | peace |
| 13:02:35 | linux-Gg | Bye |
| 13:02:35 | ljp- | someone want to do some car shopping or me? |
| 13:02:36 | Wembly | herm. |
| 13:10:17 | imm | how can i do a brodcast port lookup with qt ? |
| 13:10:17 | Wembly | anyone have sharp rom on their zaurus? |
| 13:10:18 | Wembly | and could tell me the contents of a file? |
| 13:10:18 | ljp- | ya which |
| 13:10:18 | Cloudchaser | ljp! |
| 13:10:18 | Cloudchaser | you have sharp rom on your Z?? |
| 13:10:18 | Cloudchaser | looks shocked |
| 13:10:18 | ljp- | hmm.. well.. actually, I forgot that particular Z at home.. |
| 13:10:18 | Wembly | drat |
| 13:10:18 | ljp- | yes, on Z #1 I do |
| 13:10:18 | Cloudchaser | ah you have multiple z's? |
| 13:10:18 | Wembly | needs to know whats in /etc/modules.conf on the sharp rom |
| 13:10:18 | Wembly | well not needs. |
| 13:10:18 | Wembly | but its more just a courosity |
| 13:10:19 | Cloudchaser | what file wembly? |
| 13:10:19 | Cloudchaser | i can have a look |
| 13:10:19 | Wembly | has no clue what you'll find. |
| 13:10:19 | Cloudchaser | ok hold and i'll look |
| 13:10:19 | ljp- | yes, cloudchaser, I have been _extremely_ lucky |
| 13:10:19 | Wembly | ljp: how'd you manage to be extremely lucky? |
| 13:10:19 | Wembly | you know.. |
| 13:10:19 | ljp- | dont know.. really.. 1st Z I guess either it was a fluke, or I was in the right place at the right time.. and the 2nd Z I won in the TT contest |
| 13:10:19 | Wembly | if only the screen cover that comes with the zaurus was a bit less opque. |
| 13:10:19 | Wembly | TT contest? |
| 13:10:19 | ljp- | but I tell ya.. Sharp and TT's my friend :) |
| 13:10:20 | Wembly | oh nm |
| 13:10:20 | ljp- | Trolltech |
| 13:10:20 | ljp- | and Lineo's even more my friend |
| 13:10:20 | Cloudchaser | Wembly: could it be somewhere else? |
| 13:10:20 | Wembly | cloudchaser: nope |
| 13:10:20 | Wembly | it dosnt exist? |
| 13:10:21 | Cloudchaser | that's talent not luck ljp |
| 13:10:21 | Cloudchaser | i don't see it |
| 13:10:21 | ljp- | 2nd Z might have been talent.. Z #1 I dunno.. youd have to ask Jason if it was a fluke |
| 13:10:21 | Cloudchaser | ? did you win first one also? |
| 13:10:25 | ljp- | no.. somehow I got invited to Sharps developer conference in December.. by way of TT and Sharp, mostly because of gutenbrowser, tho |
| 13:10:50 | ljp- | and Jason being the ultimate cool man |
| 13:10:53 | BigBoss | ljp: you were one of 3 or 4 people there who actually did something with the Z, the rest were a waste |
| 13:11:29 | ljp- | true.. very true.. alot of them were put out by SHarp's lack of understanding open source,.. I guess |
| 13:11:38 | ljp- | so they say |
| 13:12:11 | Cloudchaser | so it is talent :) |
| 13:12:11 | BigBoss | I wish they had asked me, I could have told them about 10 of the people were a waste :) |
| 13:14:07 | ljp- | I can understand alot of the choices, tho |
| 13:14:39 | imm | are there any rules about the quality of the beta application for the ongoing contest ? |
| 13:15:21 | Wembly | alot of them? |
| 13:15:40 | Twiun | probably the main requisite being that they run in some fashion |
| 13:16:36 | scanline | is away: sleep! That's where I'm a guru! |
| 13:16:42 | imm | so they want youst see that you can code ? |
| 13:17:00 | Nadav | I wonder if they'll accept "Hello World" |
| 13:17:08 | Nadav | :P |
| 13:17:51 | imm | i do a wifi partner-matching-app, do they send me 2 Z with wifi ? :) |
| 13:18:04 | Twiun | Woohooo! More redundancies on their way! |
| 13:18:38 | Cloudchaser | read the rules |
| 13:18:40 | imm | Twiun: :) |
| 13:18:45 | Cloudchaser | they are pretty specific on what they want |
| 13:19:21 | imm | Twiun: it was the last free topic so i piked it |
| 13:20:02 | Cloudchaser | bleh my vid didn't work :( |
| 13:21:08 | Twiun | awww |
| 13:21:33 | Cloudchaser | i'm trying 2 pass method.. |
| 13:21:34 | Nadav | you know what should be ported? gnumeeting |
| 13:22:42 | BigBoss | do you mean gnomemeeting? |
| 13:22:46 | imm | Nadav: to complicated |
| 13:23:04 | Nadav | uh yeah, gnomemeeting |
| 13:23:06 | Nadav | lol |
| 13:23:37 | NetAmp | http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/02jul/uf004480.gif |
| 13:23:49 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 13:24:02 | BigBoss | you have any idea how much computing power it takes to do video like that and the codecs involved? |
| 13:24:05 | Wembly | pokes kergoth |
| 13:24:06 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 7 hours, 53 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: runs from his mistake [Thu Aug 1 06:30:09 2002] |
| 13:24:06 | codemnky | ibot seen whardier |
| 13:24:07 | BigBoss | there's no floating point on the Z |
| 13:24:26 | | roge99 was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: lol [Tue Jul 30 05:28:52 2002] |
| 13:24:26 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99 |
| 13:24:32 | Nadav | BigBoss: i realize it'd be almost impossible on the Z. |
| 13:24:36 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 8 hours, 18 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: night all [Thu Aug 1 06:05:56 2002] |
| 13:24:36 | codemnky | ibot seen kergoth |
| 13:24:54 | codemnky | what's the simpliest way to test ttyS0 |
| 13:24:56 | codemnky | ? |
| 13:25:04 | BigBoss | can anyone tracrt valentine.thekompany.com ? I can't even use www.tracert.com it doesn't even start |
| 13:25:11 | Wembly | points to kergoth`zzz |
| 13:25:38 | Wembly | herm. |
| 13:26:02 | benmeyer | yah, I finally have a script that will let you connect to the z via serial without having to make any modifications to the z, all done client side (linux) |
| 13:26:11 | hunger | BigBoss: traceroute: unknown host valentine.thekompany.com |
| 13:26:13 | Jerakeen | BigBoss: I can't resolve it... |
| 13:26:14 | Wembly | benmeyer: herm? |
| 13:26:17 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 13:26:18 | codemnky | can you send it to me? |
| 13:26:19 | Twiun | BigBoss: erm... yeah... it doesn't resolv |
| 13:26:22 | Cloudchaser | i get "unable to rsolve target system name valentine.thecompany.com |
| 13:26:23 | Wembly | benmeyer: what do you mean connect to the z via serial? |
| 13:26:34 | benmeyer | I have a serial cable from japan |
| 13:26:39 | benmeyer | pluged into my laptop |
| 13:26:40 | BigBoss | I swear, if verisign screwed us up again I'm gonna flip out |
| 13:26:41 | codemnky | here's what i have |
| 13:26:42 | benmeyer | and z |
| 13:26:43 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 13:26:56 | Wembly | verisgin i thought screwed everyone? |
| 13:27:05 | codemnky | Z -> serial cable -> null modem adapter -> serial cable -> cell phone |
| 13:27:23 | codemnky | cell phone support all modem commands |
| 13:27:39 | Wembly | benmeyer: how would you have to make modifications to the z? |
| 13:28:20 | rikkus | hi |
| 13:28:22 | imm | hi |
| 13:28:22 | BigBoss | hey rikkus |
| 13:28:29 | BigBoss | something is up with valentine again |
| 13:28:36 | rikkus | anyone have linux' usbdnet + hotplug working ? |
| 13:28:38 | rikkus | BigBoss: :( |
| 13:28:42 | NetAmp | "Ping request could not find host valentine.thekompany.com. Please check the name |
| 13:28:42 | NetAmp | and try again." |
| 13:28:55 | Jerakeen | BigBoss: Having said that, I can't resolve www.thekompany.com either |
| 13:29:01 | codemnky | thekcompany told me yesterday |
| 13:29:11 | codemnky | they were having serious problems with their pipe |
| 13:29:22 | BigBoss | looks like everything at the co-location is down |
| 13:29:23 | rikkus | can't get valentine's ip |
| 13:29:29 | Twiun | I had no problems connecting earlier today |
| 13:29:35 | Twiun | (to the main tkc site) |
| 13:29:36 | rikkus | I connected earlier too |
| 13:29:41 | BigBoss | we are going to get on our own pipe over there, this has just gotten ridiculous |
| 13:29:46 | BigBoss | it was working till 15 minutes ago |
| 13:29:46 | codemnky | i did but it was ssloooooooow |
| 13:29:53 | Nadav | i connected about 40 minutes ago |
| 13:30:05 | Nadav | BigBoss: where are you colocating? |
| 13:30:31 | Wembly | rikkus: what distro? |
| 13:30:39 | Wembly | rikkus: aka debian? |
| 13:30:50 | NetAmp | dang I gotta go cook dinner, l8r |
| 13:31:31 | BigBoss | nadav: called Tiocom, and they've been real good, but since they moved to this new building a few months ago, it's just been terrible |
| 13:31:32 | rikkus | Wembly: any. I'm using SuSE. There's some messages about usbdnet (no errors) in syslog when I plug the Z in, but my /etc/hotplug/usbdnet script doesn't get called (I do 'logger hello' at the start). It has a+x perms, owned by root. |
| 13:31:49 | Nadav | BigBoss: Hm. never heard of them |
| 13:31:53 | BigBoss | just a small local place |
| 13:31:53 | Nadav | BigBoss: where are they located? |
| 13:31:58 | BigBoss | San Clemente |
| 13:32:01 | Nadav | ah |
| 13:32:12 | BigBoss | they host about 50 or so companies, maybe more |
| 13:32:12 | kergoth | morning |
| 13:32:18 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 13:32:27 | Jerakeen | BigBoss: This 'theming' thing in tkcmemo, where you can turn off your theme and use whatever the appearence applet (I assume) wants - you going to put this in your other apps? |
| 13:32:27 | kergoth | hey BigBoss, hows it goin |
| 13:32:27 | kergoth | ? |
| 13:32:40 | BigBoss | new products are very popular so far |
| 13:32:42 | BigBoss | very gratifying |
| 13:32:46 | kergoth | nice |
| 13:32:55 | kergoth | i havent looked at them much yet, i'll have to browse your site further |
| 13:33:13 | Nadav | I might get tkcmemo |
| 13:33:18 | Nadav | for $5, can't lose much ;) |
| 13:33:35 | rikkus | heh |
| 13:33:54 | BigBoss | I think we'll release ToDo tomorrow, and hopefully Race as well. Race is done, just needs to be packaged up |
| 13:34:01 | kergoth | grumbles about bills and being broke |
| 13:34:36 | Nadav | BigBoss: what are the prices going to be? |
| 13:34:48 | rikkus | has just been to town to put a cheque in the bank, with the Z in his pocket, tkcPlayer doing some Vorbis |
| 13:34:49 | prpplague | kergoth: stop spending all your money on crack |
| 13:35:05 | kergoth | prpplague: ohhh thats my problem! thanks! |
| 13:35:37 | prpplague | sjohnson: morning |
| 13:35:42 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 13:35:46 | kergoth | mornin |
| 13:37:20 | BigBoss | 9.95 for race and 10.95 for todo |
| 13:37:33 | BigBoss | rikkus: cool :) |
| 13:37:36 | Cloudchaser | cool ;) |
| 13:37:55 | Nadav | nice |
| 13:38:25 | rikkus | BigBoss: good job I have big pockets so I could hide it. I felt like a bit of a yuppie ;) |
| 13:38:58 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 13:39:22 | imm | is the 5000d worth anything or are 32M RAM too little ? |
| 13:39:38 | BigBoss | rikkus: we made a little update to tkcOggRipper yesterday that fixed an obscure bug with freedb |
| 13:39:52 | Twiun | imm: I'm ok working within 32m, but ymmv |
| 13:39:56 | Cloudchaser | i'll have to try that again bigboss :) |
| 13:40:01 | rikkus | BigBoss: I see. Is the source in CVS ? I'd like to see what's going on with it. |
| 13:40:05 | Cloudchaser | soon as i get this divx thing figured out |
| 13:40:15 | ljp- | tkcoggripper? |
| 13:40:33 | BigBoss | rikkus: I think it's in cvs |
| 13:40:48 | BigBoss | ljp: we are giving away a really easy to use app for ripping cd's into ogg vorbis |
| 13:40:55 | BigBoss | ftp.rygannon.com/pub/OggVorbis |
| 13:40:58 | Cloudchaser | when is windows version coming out? :) |
| 13:41:08 | BigBoss | it is linux only at the moment, starting on the windows version next week |
| 13:41:11 | BigBoss | shouldn't take too long |
| 13:41:15 | BigBoss | then we'll do mac |
| 13:41:15 | Cloudchaser | oh great : ) |
| 13:41:23 | rikkus | heh |
| 13:41:31 | rikkus | just realised I can't check it out as valentine's off the air |
| 13:41:32 | Cloudchaser | i will try linux one again. had no luck with the beta one thugh |
| 13:41:58 | BigBoss | well it is built on suse8, so it might not work everywhere |
| 13:42:07 | BigBoss | we'll build for multiple distros next week |
| 13:42:18 | Cloudchaser | :) you guys are awesome ;) |
| 13:42:29 | Cloudchaser | i might have been missing something too |
| 13:42:31 | BigBoss | thanks :) |
| 13:42:34 | George- | hi all |
| 13:42:49 | Cloudchaser | i'm not the best at troubleshooting linux problems ;( |
| 13:43:37 | George- | is thekompany.com down? |
| 13:43:45 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 13:44:02 | George- | BigBoss: Why? :) |
| 13:44:55 | BigBoss | i wish i knew |
| 13:45:01 | BigBoss | the entire colocation seems to be down |
| 13:45:06 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 13:45:06 | BigBoss | I have a call in to their emergency line |
| 13:45:22 | Cloudchaser | its not...worldcom site is it? |
| 13:45:36 | ljp- | hahaha |
| 13:45:37 | rikkus | heh |
| 13:45:39 | BigBoss | i can't even send mail through my other smtp server because it can't resolve my tkc mail address |
| 13:45:44 | rikkus | or KPNQwest |
| 13:46:25 | George- | BigBoss: strange |
| 13:46:47 | BigBoss | as far as I know we are on COX, which is what I have at home as well |
| 13:48:17 | W|GGL|T | sees a decent bit of Zaurus apps on Morpheus |
| 13:48:17 | Cloudchaser | hopes co-lo didn't disappear in the middle of the night |
| 13:48:17 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:49:49) |
| 13:48:17 | Cloudchaser | hiya W|GGL|T :) |
| 13:48:17 | ljp- | zaurus warez? really? |
| 13:48:17 | George- | BigBoss: Has tkcRacer been released? |
| 13:48:17 | George- | BigBoss: That's what I wanted to get on for :) |
| 13:48:17 | codemnky | i set my run level to 3 and rebooted but it's still coming up 5 |
| 13:48:17 | codemnky | how do i fix? init 3 do nothing also |
| 13:48:23 | Wembly | wigglit: isnt morpheus gnutella now? |
| 13:48:24 | kergoth | codemnky: what are yyou trying to do? |
| 13:48:32 | codemnky | boot it in runlevel 3 |
| 13:48:52 | codemnky | i got my null modem connector, still trying to get it to work with my cell phone |
| 13:48:53 | W|GGL|T | morning Cloudchaser |
| 13:49:04 | codemnky | i test with minicom but it says i'm already connected |
| 13:49:23 | kergoth | codemnky: why do you need it in runlevel 3? |
| 13:49:50 | codemnky | someone suggested i boot in runlevel 3 to test |
| 13:49:50 | Nadav | how much does the sharp rom give to virtual memory? |
| 13:49:57 | codemnky | what do you suggest |
| 13:50:29 | kergoth | Nadav: 32mb ramdisk, 32mb ram.. half |
| 13:50:38 | codemnky | cell -> serial -> null modem -> serial z |
| 13:50:51 | codemnky | linux laptop - serial -> cell works just fine |
| 13:50:52 | kergoth | codemnky: fuser /dev/ttyS0 |
| 13:50:59 | kergoth | codemnky: kill all the process numbers that are displayed. |
| 13:51:04 | kergoth | codemnky: on the Z of course |
| 13:51:10 | codemnky | ok |
| 13:51:11 | Nadav | kergoth: ok. uh, ramdisk = storage, right? |
| 13:51:17 | kergoth | codemnky: did you comment out serialctl in initttab? |
| 13:51:42 | kergoth | Nadav: yes |
| 13:51:43 | Nadav | Ok |
| 13:54:53 | djk | BigBoss: it seems thekompany.com fell out of DNS |
| 13:56:33 | codemnky | ok i killed the pids but minicom still thinks ttyS0 is connected |
| 13:56:43 | kergoth | codemnky: run fuser again. are they back? |
| 13:56:49 | codemnky | nope |
| 13:56:56 | codemnky | there were then i ran init q |
| 13:57:27 | kergoth | codemnky: look for uucp lock files out in /var |
| 13:57:27 | codemnky | and i have that line commented out |
| 13:57:27 | George- | djk: If that's the case, what's the IP of thekompany.com? |
| 13:57:27 | kergoth | codemnky: iirc minicom uses uucp locking for the serial ports, it likely thinks the port is locked |
| 13:57:34 | Nadav | anyone try that doom port? |
| 13:57:40 | benmeyer | yah |
| 13:57:41 | benmeyer | it is good |
| 13:57:46 | benmeyer | What does serialctl do? |
| 13:57:53 | codemnky | hmm where would they be exactly |
| 13:58:05 | kergoth | codemnky: shit i dont remember.. /var/lock? |
| 13:58:20 | George- | BigBoss: What's the ip address of thekompany.com? |
| 13:59:20 | codemnky | /var/lock/subsys just has atd inet pcmcia portmap sd usa |
| 13:59:40 | ljp- | thinks bigboss needs to hire whardier for network services |
| 13:59:58 | codemnky | dhcp is running |
| 14:00:02 | codemnky | should i kill it? |
| 14:00:28 | benmeyer | What does this do: s0:24:respawn:/sbin/getty 9600 ttyS0 |
| 14:00:36 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 14:00:41 | benmeyer | slaps face |
| 14:00:41 | codemnky | heh |
| 14:00:46 | codemnky | 1 sec |
| 14:00:57 | DuelZ | I wonder if anyone can help me - I'm having a desicion crises - I own two Zaurus SL-5500's and wondering if I should trade them in for one Toshiba e740 - I'm just worried about whether there will be software and support for these in the long haul... |
| 14:01:06 | kergoth | benmeyer: dood, man pages are your friends |
| 14:01:16 | rikkus | serial port 0, runlevels 2 and 4, do getty at 9600 baud on ttyS0 |
| 14:01:21 | DuelZ | a crises of confidence is more accurate... |
| 14:01:22 | hunger | benmeyer: Starts /sbin/getty in runlevel 2 and 4 using 9600baud on ttyS0 and respawns it if it stops. |
| 14:01:24 | benmeyer | hehe I have been reading them for the last three days |
| 14:01:26 | codemnky | thx benmeyer |
| 14:01:38 | ljp- | DuelZ: there will always be openzaurus |
| 14:01:40 | benmeyer | yah I know I understood it a second after I posted, thus the slap |
| 14:01:40 | kergoth | hey nelson |
| 14:01:45 | nelson | kergoth: hey. |
| 14:01:49 | George- | Can someone do me a favour? |
| 14:01:52 | George- | port scan me! |
| 14:02:09 | djk | DuelZ: so are you thinking of going to the dark side of PocketPC or running OZ on the Toshiba |
| 14:02:17 | rikkus | I think that's against my ISP's terms and conditions :} |
| 14:02:24 | benmeyer | the Toshiba can be flashed |
| 14:02:30 | George- | IP: 62.253.80.21 |
| 14:02:35 | benmeyer | says a Toshiba dood at TechXP |
| 14:02:41 | Wembly | that was close.... |
| 14:02:43 | Wembly | i hope |
| 14:02:45 | Wembly | ponders if tcp is as godly as he hopes |
| 14:02:47 | Wembly | hopes he's still connected |
| 14:02:48 | benmeyer | but getting the utility.... |
| 14:02:51 | Wembly | w00t! yes! |
| 14:03:01 | DuelZ | The darkside I'm afraid - but I love Linux and thats part of my crises! |
| 14:03:38 | ljp- | openzaurus is your friend |
| 14:04:01 | DuelZ | I just hope our community thrives and new software keeps coming - I'd like to learn more about porting apps myself! |
| 14:04:02 | Cloudchaser | there's no guarantee a ppc machine will be "supported" for any length of time |
| 14:04:09 | George- | ljp-: It is? I thought it was my enemy, due to it's evil master! |
| 14:04:13 | ljp- | the real question is.. will there be support for pocketpc in the long run? |
| 14:04:21 | Cloudchaser | exactly |
| 14:04:28 | Cloudchaser | there's always new comingout |
| 14:04:29 | ljp- | businesses can die |
| 14:04:31 | DuelZ | you're right - but the Gates juggernaught rolls on |
| 14:04:34 | Cloudchaser | new proessors |
| 14:04:37 | Cloudchaser | er |
| 14:04:42 | Cloudchaser | processors |
| 14:04:47 | DuelZ | hehe |
| 14:06:26 | Cloudchaser | and look at wince |
| 14:06:27 | ljp- | sell one Z and get thattoshiba |
| 14:06:27 | Cloudchaser | new processor, old stuff muddles along |
| 14:06:27 | Cloudchaser | loses software support in favor of the latest and greatest |
| 14:06:27 | Cloudchaser | who develops for wince 1 |
| 14:06:27 | Cloudchaser | or 2 |
| 14:06:27 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 14:06:27 | DuelZ | I love my Z'- I'm just feeling - I just checked on the amount of pocketpc software out there - wow! |
| 14:06:27 | kergoth | is stuck on a windows NT call |
| 14:06:27 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 14:06:27 | kergoth | ibot: shoot me |
| 14:06:27 | ljp- | hahaha |
| 14:06:27 | kergoth | sniffle |
| 14:06:27 | djk | DuelZ: everything has a risk. If you like the Z then keep running it. I doubt you are running the same app that you were running in 1990 |
| 14:06:27 | George- | djk: well? |
| 14:06:49 | DuelZ | I already own a Casio E-125 - so I want to do my part to ensure our community thrives - were can i go to begin learning about porting/developing apps? |
| 14:07:00 | W|GGL|T | PPC's been out awhile....that's why there's so much software |
| 14:07:19 | W|GGL|T | the Z is basically new...gotta give it time to get a head of steam |
| 14:07:22 | George- | W|GGL|T: The zaurus has a heck of a lot of s/w, considering how long it's been around |
| 14:07:41 | W|GGL|T | talking about raw numbers |
| 14:08:23 | DuelZ | Does anyone need a D-Link wireless cf card? I got four as samples for my company - i will donate one to someone if they pay shipping... |
| 14:08:48 | codemnky | yes |
| 14:08:49 | codemnky | me |
| 14:08:52 | codemnky | right here |
| 14:08:54 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 14:08:58 | W|GGL|T | i just bought one |
| 14:08:59 | DuelZ | okay code... |
| 14:09:03 | rikkus | would, but can't afford a hub :} |
| 14:09:08 | codemnky | waves hand |
| 14:09:13 | ljp- | DuelZ: I'll take one |
| 14:09:15 | DuelZ | you were first i guess - |
| 14:09:18 | | angryBSD- was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 14 hours, 28 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: damnit did my connection go out again [Mon Jul 29 00:41:07 2002] |
| 14:09:18 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen angryBSD- |
| 14:09:22 | kergoth | whew |
| 14:09:25 | | angry was last seen on #zaurus 8 hours, 54 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: Wembly: i'm using wiFT, its supposed to run the daemon automatically if no connection is available [Thu Aug 1 06:15:18 2002] |
| 14:09:25 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen angry |
| 14:09:52 | Nadav | DuelZ: I would |
| 14:09:52 | kergoth | I finished the windows nt call and actually solved his problem |
| 14:09:52 | George- | DuelZ: Yeh! me~ |
| 14:09:52 | kergoth | I really really dislike windows nt |
| 14:09:52 | DuelZ | I only have one to give - I have three pda's so I can only do one! |
| 14:11:09 | codemnky | will send a case of beer |
| 14:11:09 | ljp- | oh well.. I guess I wont be able to ensure that opie can use wireless... ;) |
| 14:11:09 | Nadav | ME ME ME! :P |
| 14:11:09 | George- | ME! |
| 14:11:09 | Nadav | lol |
| 14:11:09 | nelson | used a jedi mind trick on kergoth, and now he doesn't like windows nt. |
| 14:11:09 | DuelZ | Code - email me at corky@cfl.rr.com and we'll set it up.. |
| 14:11:09 | ljp- | if you are in the us, I have a UPS account and can have them pick it up |
| 14:11:09 | W|GGL|T | you have 3 Zs? |
| 14:11:09 | DuelZ | i will brb... |
| 14:11:09 | codemnky | is very greatful |
| 14:11:09 | ljp- | bastard |
| 14:11:10 | Nadav | heh |
| 14:11:10 | ljp- | :D |
| 14:11:10 | codemnky | :P |
| 14:12:08 | ljp- | who needs wireless anyway |
| 14:12:08 | toolafial | does anyone have the dlink 650W working on OZ? |
| 14:12:08 | toolafial | I can't seem to load the prism2_cs module |
| 14:12:08 | ljp- | starts to go to work disabling wireless in opie |
| 14:12:08 | Nadav | ljp: m,e |
| 14:12:08 | kergoth | toolafial: yes |
| 14:12:08 | kergoth | toolafial: thats the wrong module. |
| 14:12:08 | Nadav | s/m,e/me |
| 14:12:08 | DuelZ | is back and is also using Zic to connect so please ne patient if he cant answer right away (thumb typing; |
| 14:12:08 | toolafial | kergoth: does it use the wavelan module? |
| 14:12:08 | kergoth | toolafial: that card is in /etc/pcmcia/prism2.conf, which is the card entries for cards that use the 'prism2' module |
| 14:12:18 | kergoth | toolafial: nope. prism2, aka the HostAP driver |
| 14:12:29 | kergoth | toolafial: fully supporst the prism2/2.5 cards, and can do Host AP mode |
| 14:12:43 | toolafial | okay, when I load it cardmgr it tries to load the prism2_cs driver |
| 14:12:55 | kergoth | toolafial: stock OZ install? |
| 14:12:56 | toolafial | do I need to take that out of wlan-ng.conf? |
| 14:13:00 | kergoth | toolafial: argh1@%^# |
| 14:13:02 | toolafial | kergoth: yea |
| 14:13:04 | Cloudchaser_ | stupid linksys! |
| 14:13:05 | kergoth | toolafial: REMOVE WLAN-NG! |
| 14:13:06 | toolafial | 10.4 |
| 14:13:09 | kergoth | toolafial: jesus |
| 14:13:09 | toolafial | k |
| 14:13:09 | DuelZ | codemnky - did you get my prev message? |
| 14:13:15 | toolafial | one min |
| 14:13:19 | kergoth | toolafial: OZ is setup for wireless out of the box. dont install extra crap |
| 14:13:37 | Cloudchaser_ | hey kergoth |
| 14:13:48 | kergoth | toolafial: we use wireless-tools to set up the cards directly via wireless extensions. no wlan-ng. |
| 14:13:49 | Cloudchaser_ | did you hear there might be new sharp rom monday? |
| 14:13:49 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 14:13:51 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 14:13:55 | kergoth | ah no i hadnt heard.. |
| 14:13:58 | Cloudchaser_ | that fixes security and sd? |
| 14:13:58 | kergoth | why? |
| 14:14:01 | kergoth | ohh nice |
| 14:14:05 | Cloudchaser_ | well |
| 14:14:06 | Cloudchaser_ | yes and no |
| 14:14:13 | kergoth | if it fixes security a new qtopia desktop/intellisync may come out eh? |
| 14:14:16 | kergoth | no? |
| 14:14:16 | Cloudchaser_ | depends on if 1.5.1 comes out |
| 14:14:17 | DuelZ | all i needed was smbmount --- not samba |
| 14:14:37 | Cloudchaser_ | if it doesn't i might just as well switch to oz eh? |
| 14:14:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:14:53 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 14:14:55 | kergoth | i hate support |
| 14:14:57 | kergoth | i really do |
| 14:15:07 | kergoth | more windows calls coming in in droves |
| 14:15:13 | Cloudchaser_ | sugar make kergoth a Long Island Ice Tea |
| 14:15:14 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 14:15:15 | kergoth | and they're overflowing into unix support |
| 14:15:20 | kergoth | haha its early for that |
| 14:15:23 | kergoth | sugar make me a coffee |
| 14:15:24 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 14:15:24 | kergoth | :-) |
| 14:15:28 | Cloudchaser_ | lol |
| 14:15:52 | Cloudchaser_ | windows = job security for support |
| 14:16:01 | DuelZ | well - codemnky doesn't seem to seeing my messages - so I guess the first email at corky@cfl.rr.com can have it...I don't wanna pay shipping... |
| 14:16:03 | kergoth | true that |
| 14:16:04 | codemnky | hey |
| 14:16:06 | codemnky | yes |
| 14:16:08 | codemnky | ui'm here |
| 14:16:12 | DuelZ | oh - okay... |
| 14:16:20 | codemnky | trying to send email |
| 14:16:23 | codemnky | damn windows |
| 14:16:26 | DuelZ | email me and we'll set it up.. |
| 14:16:27 | DuelZ | hehe |
| 14:16:37 | djk | Cloudchaser_: nice one. then we should all startlearning M$ right ;-) |
| 14:16:42 | Cloudchaser_ | haha nope |
| 14:16:44 | W|GGL|T | damn...i think im gonna return my Dlink wireless card...bought it from best buy and just found out that CC has a $40 rebate on it (BB doesn't) |
| 14:17:02 | Cloudchaser_ | cool! i always miss those good deals ;( |
| 14:17:09 | Cloudchaser_ | sniffs |
| 14:17:20 | DuelZ | the only problem with these d-link cards id that their profile interferes with plugging in headphones... |
| 14:17:29 | W|GGL|T | i usually do too |
| 14:17:33 | Cloudchaser_ | i have a solution for that DuelZ |
| 14:17:40 | DuelZ | yeah? |
| 14:17:45 | Cloudchaser_ | i got a 90 degree adapter from radio shack for 2.99 |
| 14:17:50 | Cloudchaser_ | shaved one side ;) |
| 14:17:53 | W|GGL|T | i use a dedicated player for music... :o) |
| 14:18:00 | Cloudchaser_ | now i can put that in, and then put in dlink |
| 14:18:33 | DuelZ | ah...I shaved one too - but ruined it - finally got a cheapie pair to work - I'll have to get one from the shack |
| 14:18:35 | W|GGL|T | most of the wifi cards block the port(s) |
| 14:18:36 | Cloudchaser_ | then just plug speakers or headset into the 90 degree connecter and voila |
| 14:18:45 | DuelZ | no more surgery on expensive cans... |
| 14:18:46 | Cloudchaser_ | no the connecter got shaved |
| 14:18:52 | Cloudchaser_ | 2.99 ;) |
| 14:19:00 | Cloudchaser_ | not hte headset or the dlink |
| 14:20:04 | W|GGL|T | ok...that's my task for today....returning BB's Dlink and buying another from CC :o) |
| 14:21:01 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe |
| 14:21:10 | Cloudchaser_ | hey did you ever get synching with your wireless? |
| 14:21:31 | codemnky | guess who get to toss out all his cables and adapters and cell phone because he just won a wireless CF card! |
| 14:21:40 | codemnky | yeah! |
| 14:21:41 | Cloudchaser_ | wow! you won one?? |
| 14:21:45 | Cloudchaser_ | that's awesome! :) |
| 14:21:50 | codemnky | yep from DuelZ |
| 14:22:23 | Cloudchaser_ | cool! |
| 14:22:23 | rikkus | on the lowest-latency-to-IRC game :) |
| 14:22:24 | Cloudchaser_ | why? |
| 14:22:27 | Cloudchaser_ | i lost con for a few minutes |
| 14:22:31 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe musta missesd all that |
| 14:22:34 | Cloudchaser_ | has all the luck |
| 14:22:45 | VerxWork | howdy everyone |
| 14:22:51 | Cloudchaser_ | heya VerxWork |
| 14:22:57 | VerxWork | :) |
| 14:23:00 | toolafial | kergoth: ok I removed wlan-ng now I'm getting intilization errors, the module loads fine but it can't bring up interface wlan0 |
| 14:23:01 | Cloudchaser_ | how's your new app? |
| 14:23:32 | VerxWork | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.19953.png |
| 14:23:43 | VerxWork | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.21477.png |
| 14:23:47 | VerxWork | that's how it is |
| 14:23:47 | VerxWork | :)))) |
| 14:24:06 | Cloudchaser_ | oh that is so cool ;) |
| 14:24:10 | VerxWork | hehehe |
| 14:24:14 | VerxWork | glad you like it! :) |
| 14:24:23 | Cloudchaser_ | i'm jealous ;) |
| 14:24:28 | VerxWork | heh |
| 14:24:31 | VerxWork | well, it will be free |
| 14:24:45 | Cloudchaser_ | i can't figure it all out |
| 14:24:45 | VerxWork | so you can put it on your very own Zaurus |
| 14:24:45 | Cloudchaser_ | so i can't make my own app |
| 14:24:53 | Cloudchaser_ | i don't play pen and paper games ;( |
| 14:24:54 | VerxWork | well, I couldn't either a week ago |
| 14:25:09 | VerxWork | had to learn a TON |
| 14:25:11 | Cloudchaser_ | i got the first lesson |
| 14:25:11 | kergoth | toolafial: what errors? |
| 14:25:19 | Cloudchaser_ | then it said "compile and run |
| 14:25:24 | kergoth | toolafial: run syslogd & klogd and monitor /var/log/messages |
| 14:25:28 | Cloudchaser_ | ;( |
| 14:25:44 | toolafial | kergoth: I did that I lost the errors because my Z froze, just a min |
| 14:25:49 | kergoth | ah, k |
| 14:26:25 | VerxWork | Cloudchaser: You don't have a compiler? |
| 14:27:03 | Cloudchaser_ | well i downloaded the sdk kit |
| 14:27:03 | rikkus | anyone know what's actually inside a 'wireless access point' ? Is it a hub, a switch, ... ? |
| 14:27:03 | warmi | hi |
| 14:28:52 | kergoth | rikkus: generally a switch that has a pcmcia wireless card in it |
| 14:28:52 | kergoth | rikkus: functionally |
| 14:28:52 | kergoth | brb, coffee |
| 14:28:53 | Cloudchaser_ | VerxWork: i don't know *how* to compile, the lesson didn't give instructions |
| 14:28:53 | whardier | augh |
| 14:28:53 | whardier | too early |
| 14:28:54 | VerxWork | Cloudchaser_: Sorry to hear that. :( |
| 14:28:54 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe s'ok |
| 14:28:54 | VerxWork | oops |
| 14:28:54 | VerxWork | she left |
| 14:28:54 | Cloudchaser_ | no i'm here |
| 14:28:54 | Cloudchaser_ | was a ghost |
| 14:28:55 | Cloudchaser_ | that left |
| 14:28:55 | VerxWork | oh, ok |
| 14:28:55 | Cloudchaser_ | i dropped a bit ago |
| 14:28:57 | rikkus | kergoth: I see, thanks |
| 14:30:47 | toolafial | kergoth: ok the first error message comes during the prism2 init, cannot allocate fid len=2364 |
| 14:30:59 | toolafial | then after it tries to start the networking for the card it says it has an offset error |
| 14:31:36 | JasonNJ | morning kergoth. |
| 14:31:40 | toolafial | here is the error: hfa384x_set_bap - offset error (0,64512,0) |
| 14:31:40 | JasonNJ | how goes the kernie |
| 14:31:49 | acf | i figured out my damned cradle problem |
| 14:31:50 | whardier | carnie? |
| 14:31:51 | acf | bad hardware |
| 14:32:03 | kergoth | toolafial: hmm |
| 14:32:04 | acf | anyone else had issues with their cradle? |
| 14:32:11 | whardier | I fell out of my cradle |
| 14:32:16 | kergoth | toolafial: never seen that. this occurs reliably? every time you eject and re-insert? |
| 14:32:29 | treke | mornin |
| 14:32:37 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 14:32:43 | toolafial | kergoth: yes |
| 14:32:53 | toolafial | I have even rebooted |
| 14:33:08 | kergoth | toolafial: what does iwconfig wlan0; show? |
| 14:33:23 | kergoth | toolafial: can you bring it up by configuring it with iwconfig manually and then running dhcpcd wlan0;? |
| 14:33:53 | acf | does anyone here work at a company that develops apps for the zaurus? |
| 14:33:58 | toolafial | iwconfig shows the card |
| 14:34:02 | toolafial | one min |
| 14:34:58 | ljp- | know of any? |
| 14:34:59 | Cloudchaser | acf: big boss owns such a company |
| 14:35:11 | ljp- | heh whoops |
| 14:36:00 | Wembly | sa1100_bi is deleted on the zaurus. |
| 14:36:56 | George- | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:37:57 | toolafial | hmmm |
| 14:38:06 | toolafial | It won't let me set the essid with iwconfig |
| 14:38:14 | benmeyer | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/screenshots/0.3/1246.png |
| 14:38:27 | benmeyer | The <- -> would be cool to add to the z window manager |
| 14:38:34 | benmeyer | to switch between apps |
| 14:38:39 | rikkus | yes, very |
| 14:38:43 | benmeyer | simply hit the arrows |
| 14:39:11 | smee|w | to scroll through windows? |
| 14:39:20 | benmeyer | yah |
| 14:39:24 | rikkus | that thing also has a drop-down menu when you press the titlebar to allow you to pick a window to switch to |
| 14:39:47 | benmeyer | so maybe <- [] -> :-D |
| 14:39:56 | treke | the drop down window rocks. Seems like a much better idea than the task bar |
| 14:40:01 | kergoth | yes, agreed |
| 14:40:20 | kergoth | though the taskbar applets are nifty |
| 14:40:23 | treke | I dont know how useful the arrows are, but they may be useful :) |
| 14:40:47 | treke | if you dump the app icons off the taskbar, you have more room for applets |
| 14:41:06 | benmeyer | heck dump the start menu too |
| 14:41:39 | benmeyer | but we still need a plugin manager |
| 14:41:41 | treke | is there an easy way to get back to the launcher on the Z if your in an app? |
| 14:41:48 | benmeyer | hit HOME |
| 14:41:53 | George- | is back (gone 00:04:57) |
| 14:41:53 | treke | cool |
| 14:42:17 | treke | someone could write a start menu plugin if they were so inclined |
| 14:42:33 | benmeyer | indeed |
| 14:42:37 | benmeyer | personally I hate it |
| 14:42:40 | kergoth | too |
| 14:42:42 | benmeyer | but that is me |
| 14:43:16 | treke | I personally use it, but see a benefit in making it optional |
| 14:43:24 | benmeyer | with the HOME key |
| 14:43:29 | benmeyer | I don't think I have ever used it |
| 14:43:36 | benmeyer | much better as a option |
| 14:43:50 | benmeyer | oh hey shouldn't opie replace the Q with pengus? |
| 14:43:56 | kergoth | ? |
| 14:43:57 | treke | opie uses an O |
| 14:44:00 | kergoth | its not a Q |
| 14:44:14 | benmeyer | oh hey |
| 14:44:25 | benmeyer | hehe, never noticed, simply figured they were the same |
| 14:45:06 | treke | having the input method all the way on the side would probably make it easier to toggle on and off |
| 14:45:14 | benmeyer | yah, just hit far bottomleft |
| 14:47:37 | benmeyer | is there an open source outlook sync application? |
| 14:47:57 | kergoth | no |
| 14:48:02 | kergoth | i dont think anyway |
| 14:48:04 | kergoth | unfortunat |
| 14:48:05 | kergoth | e |
| 14:48:09 | benmeyer | ok |
| 14:48:18 | benmeyer | got a possible entry for the contest |
| 14:48:19 | kergoth | damn enter |
| 14:48:28 | benmeyer | who might |
| 14:48:54 | Wembly | contest? |
| 14:49:03 | | rumour has it contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 14:49:03 | benmeyer | ibot contest |
| 14:50:44 | karlb | I just tried making my first ipk. Anyone here who wants to try it on the zaurus? |
| 14:51:11 | karlb | http://www.linux-games.com/zaurus/zsubhunt_1.0.0_arm.ipk (about 80k) |
| 14:52:00 | karlb | Anyone? |
| 14:52:10 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 14:52:14 | benmeyer | yah ipks |
| 14:52:59 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 14:59:35 | rikkus | linux-Gg: installs ok, but crashes a lot and I can't see how to drop a depth charge |
| 15:00:15 | linux-Gg | rikkus: Ooops, I didn't think about the controls :-/ |
| 15:00:43 | rikkus | linux-Gg: left and right work |
| 15:01:14 | linux-Gg | rikkus: control drops a depth charge... |
| 15:01:41 | rikkus | ah |
| 15:01:53 | rikkus | it's in the cradle :P |
| 15:02:24 | linux-Gg | rikkus: Is there any hint why it crashes (any messages, does it crash at a special time?) |
| 15:02:24 | rikkus | you could bind it to the middle button of the cursor thing too |
| 15:02:24 | numatrix | btw, linux-Gg: zmerlin never crashed on me. |
| 15:02:44 | linux-Gg | numatrix: Thanks for the info |
| 15:02:46 | rikkus | linux-Gg: I'll see if I can get it to crash again |
| 15:03:26 | linux-Gg | rikkus: Great. I hope I'll get a z in the contest for my game bundle, so I can do this kind of things on ym own in the future |
| 15:03:49 | linux-Gg | rikkus: Does it run at an acceptable speed? |
| 15:03:55 | rikkus | linux-Gg: yes, seems to |
| 15:04:10 | rikkus | linux-Gg: I think it might have crashed when I ran out of lives |
| 15:04:28 | linux-Gg | rikkus: Ah. That could be. |
| 15:04:32 | kergoth | what the hell |
| 15:04:43 | linux-Gg | Thanks a lot your you help. |
| 15:04:50 | kergoth | BZFlag: any idea what 'lt' is on LoCoMo? its the "Long Time Timer", and uses and interrupt |
| 15:04:56 | linux-Gg | Oops, I mean "for your help" |
| 15:05:46 | kergoth | s/and int/an int/ |
| 15:07:57 | linux-Gg | Bye. Thanks for your help, now I can return to coding and packaging.. |
| 15:08:52 | CmdrChalupa | anyone know where I can get a zaurus plastiic cover thingy? |
| 15:12:21 | BZFlag | kergoth: nope. |
| 15:12:33 | kergoth | BZFlag: damn undocumented !%@%!^ ^! |
| 15:12:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:15:15 | codemnky | kergoth still around? |
| 15:16:05 | codemnky | it's still saying I'm connected with mimicom when i try to dial out, nothing is using /dev/ttyS0 and i have the appopriate lines commented out in /etc/iniitab |
| 15:16:07 | codemnky | any ideas? |
| 15:16:38 | codemnky | fuser /dev/ttyS0 shows nothing |
| 15:16:38 | toolafial | does the prism2 driver allow you to set the essid? |
| 15:17:22 | benmeyer | karlb: sorry was away for a sec |
| 15:17:25 | codemnky | no luck yet benmeyer |
| 15:17:38 | codemnky | minicom still says i'm connected |
| 15:18:12 | benmeyer | even when changing to init 3? |
| 15:18:28 | kergoth | toolafial: of course |
| 15:19:16 | kergoth | hey Sniper |
| 15:19:18 | codemnky | anyother ideas how to test ttyS0 ? |
| 15:19:28 | Sniper | hey everyone |
| 15:19:34 | kergoth | codemnky: cat < /dev/ttyS0 &; echo AT > /dev/ttyS0; |
| 15:19:40 | kergoth | codemnky: do you see OK display on your terminal? |
| 15:19:57 | kergoth | er might need to echo a \r too, dont recall |
| 15:20:34 | kergoth | e.g. echo "AT\r" > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 15:21:00 | codemnky | no OK |
| 15:21:09 | kergoth | did you try it with \r also? |
| 15:21:11 | codemnky | what's the command to set the baud rate |
| 15:21:13 | codemnky | yes |
| 15:21:25 | kergoth | codemnky: uh, a modem generally doesnt give a shit about baud rate |
| 15:21:29 | kergoth | but the command is sttyl |
| 15:21:32 | kergoth | er |
| 15:21:32 | kergoth | stty |
| 15:21:53 | codemnky | darn |
| 15:22:19 | codemnky | it no worky |
| 15:22:19 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:22:19 | kergoth | what doesnt work? |
| 15:22:19 | codemnky | well no OK |
| 15:22:30 | codemnky | i get an OK with linux/laptop same serial/cell |
| 15:22:31 | kergoth | okay, lay out how you have it wired up right now |
| 15:22:49 | codemnky | Z -> serial -> null adapter -> serial -> cell |
| 15:23:06 | kergoth | and laptop is laptop -> serial -> cell? |
| 15:23:12 | codemnky | right |
| 15:23:16 | codemnky | that works fine |
| 15:28:43 | kergoth | well, your cabling seems fine |
| 15:28:43 | codemnky | hmm |
| 15:28:44 | codemnky | if i tap on it with a hammer will that help? |
| 15:28:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:28:44 | codemnky | 3 taps or 2 |
| 15:28:44 | codemnky | need to get the config just right |
| 15:28:44 | codemnky | oh |
| 15:28:44 | codemnky | but with linux |
| 15:28:44 | codemnky | it uses /dec/cua0 |
| 15:28:44 | codemnky | dev |
| 15:28:44 | kergoth | wrong |
| 15:28:44 | kergoth | cua devices are deprecated. |
| 15:28:45 | codemnky | i mean lapto |
| 15:28:45 | codemnky | ok |
| 15:28:45 | benmeyer | hmmm zsubhunt is interesting |
| 15:28:45 | kergoth | codemnky: laptop uses 2.4 kernel? |
| 15:28:45 | codemnky | redhat 7.2 |
| 15:28:45 | kergoth | codemnky: it should be using the tty's, not the cua's. |
| 15:28:45 | codemnky | no modifed |
| 15:28:45 | toolafial | kergoth: it seems as though the main error comes from the hfa384x_set_rid |
| 15:28:45 | codemnky | maybe they are syn linked |
| 15:28:45 | codemnky | i didn;t check |
| 15:28:45 | kergoth | codemnky: no, they're not |
| 15:28:45 | codemnky | ok |
| 15:28:45 | kergoth | toolafial: odd.. the card works flawless here.. |
| 15:28:45 | kergoth | toolafial: so could you configure it manually? |
| 15:28:46 | toolafial | kergoth: it wouldn't let me set the essid |
| 15:28:46 | kergoth | toolafial: what do you mean? |
| 15:28:46 | angryBSD- | http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=humannews&StoryID=1280721 |
| 15:28:47 | codemnky | i think i'm officially giveing up and getting a wireless lan |
| 15:28:47 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:28:47 | codemnky | :( |
| 15:28:47 | toolafial | when I do iwconfig wlan0 essid "<ssid>" it fails |
| 15:28:48 | angryBSD- | codemnky: me too :) |
| 15:28:48 | kergoth | toolafial: yes yes i understand this, HOW does it fail? error? or does it just not take effect? |
| 15:28:48 | codemnky | i've only spent $100 in parts and shipping so far |
| 15:28:48 | codemnky | i could have had one |
| 15:28:48 | toolafial | sorry, let me get the error |
| 15:28:49 | codemnky | but i wanted to use it at the beach! |
| 15:29:33 | smee|w | get a phone with ir? ;) |
| 15:29:43 | codemnky | i'm done buying thing |
| 15:29:45 | codemnky | things |
| 15:29:50 | codemnky | i'll get a thera next |
| 15:29:53 | codemnky | if i have to do that |
| 15:30:35 | smee|w | i'm done buying things too |
| 15:30:58 | codemnky | going to get a skimask insetad |
| 15:31:17 | toolafial | kergoth: error for wireless request "set ESSID" (8B1A): SET failed on device wlan0; invalid argument |
| 15:31:39 | Cloudchaser | my wireless card uses eth0 |
| 15:32:10 | codemnky | for some reason i have to ever now now and then log off from XP to get it to reconize my Z again |
| 15:32:11 | kergoth | toolafial: wtf.. again, this is a stock 2.9.4 (oz3b10.4) right? |
| 15:32:12 | Cloudchaser | is that differenet on oz? |
| 15:32:15 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yes |
| 15:32:20 | toolafial | then the error in dmesg is: hfa384x_set_rid: CMDCODE_ACCESS_WRITE failed (res=48) |
| 15:32:29 | codemnky | hmm |
| 15:32:58 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 15:33:02 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: you here? |
| 15:33:20 | Cloudchaser | oh my word.. reading tkc mail is amazing |
| 15:33:37 | toolafial | kergoth: is there another package that might have been installed by me (user error) that could be causing the problem |
| 15:33:39 | toolafial | ? |
| 15:35:32 | kergoth | toolafial: not certain.. let me think.. |
| 15:35:46 | toolafial | how about opie-wlansetup? |
| 15:36:24 | toolafial | or wireless-tools? |
| 15:36:31 | angryBSD- | what's a good dalnet serv. that works? |
| 15:37:19 | kergoth | toolafial: both included by default |
| 15:38:09 | kergoth | toolafial: hmm |
| 15:38:33 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: you ever get a good program to downsize divx movies? |
| 15:40:35 | codemnky | hey kergoth, what i'm confussed about is minicom says i'm connected, i hang up but it still says i'm connected |
| 15:40:38 | codemnky | any ideas? |
| 15:40:47 | kergoth | codemnky: not offhand |
| 15:40:54 | codemnky | ok |
| 15:40:59 | kergoth | toolafial: i'll flash my Z with current OZ today and confirm my dlink behaves itself again. |
| 15:41:04 | kergoth | toolafial: see if i can reproduce. |
| 15:41:04 | toolafial | kergoth: whoa new developemnts |
| 15:41:06 | George- | mwahahaha |
| 15:41:12 | George- | My box is now locked down so hard :) |
| 15:41:20 | toolafial | it's working, I deleted the network setup in the network tool |
| 15:41:34 | benmeyer | hehe kinda like the time I deleted /etc |
| 15:41:38 | toolafial | I can bring the card up no prob, but no ip : ( |
| 15:41:40 | kergoth | toolafial: errr wtf |
| 15:41:46 | kergoth | toolafial: run dhcpcd wlan0 at the prompt |
| 15:41:48 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:41:52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:42:04 | toolafial | that's what it's doing now, but I'm not getting a responce |
| 15:42:17 | kergoth | toolafial: someone reported a syntax error in network.opts, which gets written by netsetup... that may have been the source of those difficulties |
| 15:42:17 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:42:28 | toolafial | and I know why ... I have to get my mac added to the wireless pool here at work (duh!) |
| 15:42:31 | kergoth | toolafial: essid is correct? mode is Managed, not Master? |
| 15:42:33 | kergoth | ahhh |
| 15:42:33 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:43:25 | kergoth | toolafial: i'll be coming out with a maintainance release rom soon that 1) backs out trolltech's security fix so syncing works 2) fixes the freset problem with the nomtdram kernels (zImage-32, zImage-64), 3) fixes that network.opts oddity.. once i figure out whats causing it anyway |
| 15:45:18 | toolafial | kergoth: well, now it's doing it again |
| 15:45:21 | toolafial | hmm |
| 15:45:21 | kergoth | ack |
| 15:45:23 | kergoth | wtf |
| 15:45:30 | XavierXeon | YEAH !!! got my internet connection back ! |
| 15:45:42 | kergoth | XavierXeon: congrats |
| 15:49:07 | VerxWork | kergoth: I saw one message about this on the mailing list, and I have now seen it myself: If I plug my iPAQ into its cradle, it stays on. If I plug it into the power adapter with no cradle, it suspends when it is not supposed to. |
| 15:49:17 | VerxWork | kergoth: Do you think this is an opie or familiar issue? |
| 15:49:45 | kergoth | VerxWork: could be either one. |
| 15:49:54 | VerxWork | I am sortof leaning toward it being opie |
| 15:50:24 | VerxWork | I will do some more tests tonight |
| 15:50:32 | VerxWork | and then have a look at the source for light&power |
| 15:50:40 | VerxWork | see what I can figure out |
| 15:50:45 | kergoth | cool |
| 15:50:55 | VerxWork | (which may be nothing at all. :) |
| 15:56:17 | toolafial | kergoth: well it's on then off, let me get the mac address added here and see if that helps |
| 16:00:37 | kergoth | toolafial: hmm.. k |
| 16:00:52 | numatrix | Has bigboss released the links to the tools they recommended, or the exact formats for tkcVideo? |
| 16:01:07 | George- | bbl |
| 16:01:40 | BigBoss | numatrix: they will be in the doc file |
| 16:01:49 | BigBoss | we are researching and testing them currently |
| 16:02:08 | numatrix | BigBoss: sounds good, thanks. |
| 16:03:38 | toolafial | contemplate getting some work done today |
| 16:04:46 | whardier | there is like |
| 16:04:47 | whardier | one guy |
| 16:04:53 | whardier | powering gift pretty much |
| 16:04:57 | whardier | he has everything |
| 16:04:59 | kergoth | aha |
| 16:05:18 | whardier | probably responsible for 2.0TB of the 2.8 currently on |
| 16:05:26 | kergoth | how do i find him? |
| 16:05:35 | whardier | Query: [24.71.217.250______________________________________________________________________________________] |
| 16:05:38 | whardier | Realm: [user_______________________________________________________________________________________________] |
| 16:06:00 | kergoth | heh, nice |
| 16:06:08 | kergoth | eh |
| 16:06:11 | kergoth | impressive |
| 16:06:18 | whardier | totally catalogs eveerything |
| 16:06:34 | whardier | all the funk I have qued. |
| 16:06:35 | whardier | kmfdm |
| 16:06:38 | whardier | lords of acid |
| 16:06:40 | whardier | futerama |
| 16:06:43 | whardier | jackass |
| 16:06:45 | whardier | everything I have queued |
| 16:06:48 | whardier | is dependant on him |
| 16:06:55 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:06:55 | kergoth | damn |
| 16:07:21 | whardier | its freaky |
| 16:07:36 | kergoth | nice, classic eazy e |
| 16:07:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:07:51 | whardier | too bad I am snagging from him at around 1400B/s |
| 16:07:58 | whardier | I don't like that much |
| 16:08:06 | kergoth | listens to everything |
| 16:08:51 | carpman | Hi all. Anyone here having problems with usbdnet. Specifically lockup/kernel panic when the zaurus is removed? |
| 16:08:58 | kergoth | carpman: yes, usbdnet sucks |
| 16:09:23 | carpman | kergoth: I know it sucks, but I'm hoping to find out WHY it sucks. :) |
| 16:09:28 | Wembly | carpman: no. its more the other way around for me. |
| 16:09:45 | kergoth | carpman: well for one its not smp or preempt safe. i dont knkow beyond that |
| 16:09:48 | Wembly | carpman: when i put the zaurus into the craddle. the kernel oops' about a NULL pointer in the kernel |
| 16:09:52 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/mpeg_encoding_howtos.shtml |
| 16:09:55 | benmeyer | Enjoy |
| 16:10:06 | kergoth | nice |
| 16:10:08 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/serial_connection.shtml |
| 16:10:10 | benmeyer | That too |
| 16:10:20 | benmeyer | both are new |
| 16:11:02 | carpman | I have a machine at work that doesn't do this. I'm starting to think it may be tied to the chipset. |
| 16:11:02 | carpman | I'm running sis here |
| 16:11:33 | kergoth | carpman: try the other uhci driver |
| 16:12:28 | carpman | hmm.. I'm using the OHCI driver |
| 16:12:37 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:12:39 | kergoth | well nevermind then |
| 16:12:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:13:05 | whardier | yeah |
| 16:13:10 | whardier | NEVERMIND THEN! |
| 16:13:19 | whardier | finally beat this track on kinetica.. so he is super happy |
| 16:13:21 | carpman | takes the coffee away from warmi |
| 16:13:22 | carpman | ack |
| 16:13:27 | carpman | takes the coffee away from whardier |
| 16:13:36 | whardier | downs more Red Fusion |
| 16:13:40 | kergoth | whardier: man, that guy really does have everything |
| 16:13:48 | kergoth | whardier: i'm sick of being Queued though :-) |
| 16:13:54 | whardier | kergoth: its freaky.. he must work at a mass storage lab |
| 16:14:06 | kergoth | shoots carpman.. dont take peoples coffee man, thats just sick. |
| 16:14:10 | whardier | or be some sort of sick twisted daddys boy |
| 16:14:18 | kergoth | yeh |
| 16:14:26 | kergoth | but man i envy that collection |
| 16:14:31 | kergoth | leeches |
| 16:14:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:14:38 | whardier | heh |
| 16:14:43 | whardier | I need more CDr's |
| 16:14:44 | whardier | actually |
| 16:14:46 | whardier | fuck that |
| 16:14:49 | whardier | I need another 80gig hd |
| 16:14:52 | kergoth | same here |
| 16:14:56 | benmeyer | why? |
| 16:15:07 | whardier | because I keeping being giFTed |
| 16:15:09 | kergoth | actually I need another box, to act as a fileserver. my archive drive is in my primary box atm |
| 16:15:33 | whardier | 34G total |
| 16:15:34 | whardier | [-(Thu 2002-08-01 11:20:54)-(/data/movies/)-]> (hardwire @ BastarD) |
| 16:15:42 | whardier | and all of my other work |
| 16:15:45 | whardier | on an 80 gig drive |
| 16:15:46 | whardier | is not enouggh |
| 16:15:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:16:06 | whardier | oooh |
| 16:16:09 | whardier | I downloaded mission impossible |
| 16:16:13 | kergoth | i have like 10 gigs of audio.. still trying to regain my collection |
| 16:16:13 | whardier | I am gonna watch that today |
| 16:16:15 | kergoth | grumble |
| 16:16:16 | kergoth | hah nice |
| 16:16:33 | whardier | I moved my mp3's to another machine because I had too many and they were interfering with my DVD rips |
| 16:16:52 | whardier | its actually kinda funny |
| 16:16:58 | whardier | I moved all this shit aside.. |
| 16:17:08 | whardier | to another workstation |
| 16:17:10 | whardier | got sick of 900KB/s |
| 16:17:17 | whardier | so I added a few more nics |
| 16:17:19 | whardier | crossovered |
| 16:17:29 | whardier | and gkrellm seems to think 4.5MB/s |
| 16:17:59 | whardier | its nice.. I can play divx movies on one workstations NFS.. over that connection |
| 16:18:07 | kergoth | load balance accross the nics? |
| 16:18:12 | whardier | kergoth: noooo |
| 16:18:15 | whardier | I did that however |
| 16:18:19 | whardier | unfortunatly.. crossover |
| 16:18:21 | whardier | and switch |
| 16:18:27 | whardier | I need a dual eepro100 |
| 16:18:32 | kergoth | thatd be nice |
| 16:18:34 | whardier | (/me is out of PCI slots |
| 16:18:42 | whardier | if I had a dual eepro100 |
| 16:18:49 | whardier | I would use both nics in both machines |
| 16:18:54 | whardier | plus one more in the other machine |
| 16:18:58 | whardier | and bridge the bond thru the single one |
| 16:19:07 | whardier | then I would have.. AWESOME RATES |
| 16:19:13 | whardier | and I would compile the fast forwarding as well.. |
| 16:19:15 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 16:19:16 | whardier | MWA HA HA HA HA |
| 16:19:25 | whardier | err.. yeah.. |
| 16:19:51 | whardier | the people in #mplayer are all doze users |
| 16:19:55 | whardier | that pisses me off |
| 16:20:10 | kergoth | i installed mplayer the other day |
| 16:20:10 | kergoth | man, it rocks |
| 16:20:10 | kergoth | i just didnt realize. |
| 16:20:15 | whardier | Hi I have a question about OSD over zoran ZR3065 MJPEG cards.. |
| 16:20:29 | whardier | <#mplayer> uh.. shut up dude |
| 16:20:44 | whardier | <whardier> boo .. hooo |
| 16:20:45 | toolafial | kergoth: I think I've nailed the bug with my wireless card |
| 16:20:56 | kergoth | toolafial: what is it? |
| 16:20:56 | whardier | kergoth: I use mplayer for. well.. just about everything |
| 16:21:16 | whardier | if there were a VO module for QPE.. (which would be more than easy) |
| 16:21:17 | toolafial | If I set anything in the wire lan setup utility it doesn't work |
| 16:21:21 | whardier | err rather.. QT |
| 16:21:40 | kergoth | toolafial: err |
| 16:21:54 | kergoth | toolafial: will it work if you set it up in /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts? |
| 16:21:57 | toolafial | well, I have to set the essid to blank |
| 16:21:58 | whardier | still has funk in him |
| 16:22:11 | toolafial | and tell it to use that essid |
| 16:22:21 | toolafial | then I don't set anything and bam it works |
| 16:22:41 | carpman | I still can't get kismet to work with my SMC card. |
| 16:22:54 | kergoth | shit |
| 16:22:59 | toolafial | also after a suspend/resume cycle the card stops working |
| 16:23:11 | carpman | toolafial: same problem here. |
| 16:23:13 | kergoth`mtg | toolafial: so the wireless script isnt bringing it up properly on its own |
| 16:23:18 | Wembly | mtg? |
| 16:23:22 | whardier | tries to listen to Ani Defranco |
| 16:23:25 | Wembly | magic the gathering? |
| 16:23:32 | Wembly | or meeting? |
| 16:23:34 | toolafial | kergoth`zzz: I would assume so |
| 16:23:35 | carpman | w00t for Magic! |
| 16:24:35 | toolafial | oh no battery dying, and charger is at home |
| 16:24:45 | whardier | ok |
| 16:24:46 | whardier | WTF |
| 16:24:52 | toolafial | I may have to put off playing with it for a while |
| 16:24:58 | whardier | this Ani DiFranco chick just went polka in this song |
| 16:24:59 | whardier | AUCK |
| 16:25:09 | whardier | I was all listening to the lyrics.. then.. POLKA! |
| 16:26:55 | toolafial | kergoth`zzz: I am probably going back to the sharp rom for a while, I am writing a program for the dev challange and I need to make sure it works on the sharp rom |
| 16:27:34 | ljp- | boo! |
| 16:27:37 | whardier | ger. |
| 16:27:49 | whardier | hug ljp- |
| 16:27:54 | toolafial | I know, I know |
| 16:28:13 | | whardier: excuse me? |
| 16:28:13 | whardier | ibot smack toolafial |
| 16:28:28 | toolafial | but If I get another Z then I can play on one and use the other as a real PDA |
| 16:28:41 | ljp- | huh?what I do? |
| 16:29:01 | cranch | ibotL zsi |
| 16:29:07 | cranch | damn |
| 16:29:10 | | it has been said that zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 16:29:10 | cranch | ibot: zsi |
| 16:30:05 | ljp- | hates having to shop for a car |
| 16:30:43 | W|GG-Libranet | i love shopping for cars...its the finance paperwork i usually hate |
| 16:31:28 | toolafial | having to shop for a car and wanting to shop for a car are two very different things |
| 16:31:28 | W|GG-Libranet | i dunno...ive never HAD to shop for one |
| 16:31:44 | ljp- | heh youwill if your car ever gets totalled |
| 16:31:48 | W|GG-Libranet | well, actually, yeah i have...the last one...it was STILL fun |
| 16:31:59 | W|GG-Libranet | test driving them :o) |
| 16:32:17 | ljp- | well test driving is the only fun part.. locating them is something different |
| 16:32:58 | whardier | kergoth CVS and symlinks |
| 16:33:00 | whardier | wtf |
| 16:33:02 | whardier | can you do that? |
| 16:33:08 | whardier | cause I don't think it wants to |
| 16:33:26 | W|GG-Libranet | trying wine for the first time |
| 16:33:30 | ljp- | nope. cvs doesnt do links |
| 16:33:38 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:33:48 | whardier | thats dumb |
| 16:34:52 | whardier | cause with this php sstuff I have in CVS |
| 16:34:52 | whardier | 'I need to symlink a gfx directory |
| 16:35:08 | whardier | oh well |
| 16:35:10 | whardier | its 124 K |
| 16:37:35 | whardier | does bitkeeper handle symlinks? |
| 16:38:00 | whardier | fuck |
| 16:38:05 | whardier | in cvs .. I moved a few directories around |
| 16:38:10 | whardier | cvs commit doesn't care about that does it? |
| 16:38:44 | ljp- | use scripts for creating links |
| 16:39:00 | ljp- | I do think it handles links, anyway |
| 16:39:09 | ljp- | dont think |
| 16:39:20 | whardier | how do I remove a directory in CVS! |
| 16:39:24 | whardier | augh |
| 16:39:26 | whardier | I love rsync |
| 16:39:41 | ][N-Flux | not N'sync :) |
| 16:39:46 | user_ | man don'cha hate when you accidently kick the power cord out |
| 16:39:50 | user_ | there goes my uptime |
| 16:39:56 | ][N-Flux | D'oh |
| 16:40:09 | user_ | at least I saved my work |
| 16:40:21 | br33zy | ma ma ma maaa moooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 16:40:48 | ljp- | whardier: delete the dir and cvs remove somedir |
| 16:41:04 | whardier | gotcha |
| 16:41:53 | br33zy | got-cha? |
| 16:41:53 | br33zy | cha cha cha? |
| 16:41:53 | whardier | damnit |
| 16:41:53 | whardier | grr |
| 16:41:53 | br33zy | rrg |
| 16:41:53 | br33zy | okay whatever.. |
| 16:42:22 | Cloudchaser | whoohooo!! did it! got my divx to 210 mb from 716 mb :) |
| 16:42:27 | Cloudchaser | if only my cf was here |
| 16:42:38 | Cloudchaser | quality's not great but definitely watchable ;) |
| 16:42:47 | br33zy | your cf can take 210 megs? |
| 16:44:03 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 16:44:03 | Cloudchaser | i got 256 mb one but it broke |
| 16:44:03 | Cloudchaser | waiting for replacement |
| 16:44:05 | Cloudchaser | its a bit wobbly |
| 16:44:38 | Cloudchaser | but its watchable anywya |
| 16:44:53 | Cloudchaser | someday wheni get bigger card i'll be able to do better quallity |
| 16:45:26 | ljp- | wobbly? |
| 16:45:38 | Cloudchaser | kinda fuzzes in and out a little |
| 16:45:44 | cranch | Cloud...care to share how? |
| 16:45:49 | cranch | or care to send it to me :) |
| 16:45:50 | cranch | haha |
| 16:45:57 | cranch | what movie did you do? |
| 16:45:58 | Cloudchaser | yah i'm goingto write it up for the docs |
| 16:46:02 | cranch | Sweet :) |
| 16:46:03 | Cloudchaser | final fantasy |
| 16:46:20 | cranch | Sweet movie :) I got that one |
| 16:46:55 | Cloudchaser | original is definitely better quality |
| 16:46:55 | Cloudchaser | hehe but its too big ;( |
| 16:46:55 | cranch | too big for my 128CF card :( |
| 16:46:55 | Cloudchaser | will continue playing with it to see |
| 16:47:15 | Cloudchaser | there's a way to make it even smaller |
| 16:47:23 | Cloudchaser | no idea how thet quality would be though |
| 16:48:00 | Cloudchaser | if i could get a 512 meg card i could split it ;) |
| 16:48:09 | Cloudchaser | course then i'd need 2 for a whole movie |
| 16:48:28 | Cloudchaser | sighs |
| 16:48:39 | Cloudchaser | its a vicious circle |
| 16:51:50 | Cloudchaser | ok the 330 mb one is quite clear |
| 16:54:26 | Cloudchaser | asks Santa Clause for a 512mb CF card |
| 16:59:53 | br33zy | does anybody here have a bonsai tree? |
| 17:00:05 | bipolar | br33zy: mine died... :\ |
| 17:00:07 | bipolar | lol |
| 17:00:11 | br33zy | what was it? |
| 17:00:16 | br33zy | species |
| 17:00:47 | George- | is away: dinner |
| 17:01:02 | user_ | has anyone see matchbox yet? |
| 17:01:02 | bipolar | br33zy: A benjamin tree (ficus) |
| 17:01:04 | br33zy | cool |
| 17:01:07 | Cloudchaser | grr sometimes the z frustrates me so much |
| 17:01:22 | br33zy | grrrrg |
| 17:01:22 | Cloudchaser | hates having to restart z like windows |
| 17:01:34 | treke|ho1e | Cloudchaser: What causes you to restart? |
| 17:01:42 | bipolar | br33zy: it got root rot and there was no saving it. |
| 17:01:43 | ljp_ | you can make bonsai trees out of anything.. even redwoods |
| 17:01:44 | Cloudchaser | changing wireless/cf back andfort |
| 17:01:44 | bipolar | :( |
| 17:01:50 | Cloudchaser | back and forth |
| 17:01:56 | treke|ho1e | ah |
| 17:02:02 | br33zy | bipolar: over watered it |
| 17:02:04 | Cloudchaser | its stupid |
| 17:02:08 | Cloudchaser | shouldn't have to do that |
| 17:02:14 | bipolar | br33zy: it did not drain properly. |
| 17:02:19 | br33zy | o. |
| 17:02:52 | bipolar | br33zy: I found that the hole in the bottom had a ridge around it so that the pot held about 1/8" of water all the time. :\ |
| 17:04:04 | | cranch: i'm not following you... |
| 17:04:04 | cranch | ibot: cats |
| 17:04:22 | | OK, cranch. |
| 17:04:22 | cranch | ibot: cats is <quote> its like hearding cats |
| 17:04:26 | | rumour has it cats is <quote> its like hearding cats |
| 17:04:26 | cranch | ibot: cats |
| 17:04:29 | cranch | damn |
| 17:04:32 | | cranch: I forgot cats |
| 17:04:32 | cranch | ibot: forget cats |
| 17:04:56 | bipolar | cranch: use "reply" |
| 17:05:20 | | OK, bipolar. |
| 17:05:20 | bipolar | ibot cats is <reply> it's like herding cats |
| 17:05:25 | | it's like herding cats |
| 17:05:25 | bipolar | ibot cats? |
| 17:05:30 | bipolar | err... |
| 17:05:42 | bipolar | I misspeled it, but.... |
| 17:06:01 | treke|ho1e | cat... it's what's for dinner |
| 17:06:13 | cranch | sweet :) |
| 17:06:15 | | cranch: I forgot cats |
| 17:06:15 | cranch | ibot: forget cats |
| 17:06:29 | | OK, cranch. |
| 17:06:29 | cranch | ibot: cats is <reply> it's like hearding cats |
| 17:06:30 | | it's like hearding cats |
| 17:06:30 | cranch | ibot: cats |
| 17:06:34 | cranch | sweet :) |
| 17:07:18 | ljp_ | hearding? is that a word? |
| 17:08:28 | cranch | haha |
| 17:08:34 | cranch | I spelled it wrong |
| 17:08:42 | | cranch: I forgot cats |
| 17:08:42 | cranch | ibot: forget cats |
| 17:09:25 | Cloudchaser | ok has anyone used smbmount? |
| 17:09:54 | treke|ho1e | whenever I try it, it complains that I should just use mount |
| 17:10:20 | [DrEvil] | "mount -t smbfs" calls smbmount |
| 17:10:41 | Cloudchaser | i need to set mount point first though right? |
| 17:10:43 | treke|ho1e | so I do ( mount -t smvfs -o username=ggilbert/Domain, password=*** //server/share /path |
| 17:11:02 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 17:14:21 | BigBoss | shhh - he's here |
| 17:14:35 | VerxWork | howdy Shawn |
| 17:15:12 | VerxWork | Shawn: You getting the quote on a T3 yet? You are gonna saturate your T1 soon enough. :)) |
| 17:30:44 | BigBoss | we are on a shared T1 |
| 17:30:44 | BigBoss | we get about a quarter of it |
| 17:30:44 | BigBoss | which use to be just fine |
| 17:30:44 | BigBoss | now it isn't |
| 17:30:44 | VerxWork | yup |
| 17:30:44 | VerxWork | now you are too popular |
| 17:30:44 | VerxWork | have you tried making crappier products? |
| 17:30:44 | treke|ho1e | all those zaurus users beating their way to your website |
| 17:30:45 | VerxWork | might cut down on bandwidth usage |
| 17:30:45 | VerxWork | :) |
| 17:30:45 | BigBoss | so i'm supposed to get the final quote for the equipment and installation date for the T1 |
| 17:30:45 | BigBoss | today |
| 17:30:45 | VerxWork | yeah, I read your email |
| 17:30:45 | VerxWork | that's why I was saying |
| 17:30:45 | VerxWork | just get a quote on a T3 |
| 17:30:45 | VerxWork | you will saturate the T1 as soon as you get it |
| 17:30:45 | VerxWork | :) |
| 17:30:46 | BigBoss | god I hope not, I have to start broadcasting my internet radio station from there |
| 17:30:46 | VerxWork | I didn't know you had a readio station |
| 17:30:46 | VerxWork | is that for tkcRadio? |
| 17:30:46 | [DrEvil] | this computer isn't going to be dull |
| 17:30:46 | George- | is back (gone 00:19:09) |
| 17:30:47 | whardier | yip |
| 17:30:48 | kergoth | arghh |
| 17:30:48 | whardier | http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2002/07/01/bomb-cat.html |
| 17:30:48 | BigBoss | no, it's because I love progressive rock and ogg vorbis, so I'm doing a full ogg vorbis based progressive rock station |
| 17:30:48 | BigBoss | www.progrock.com |
| 17:30:49 | VerxWork | oh, cool |
| 17:30:49 | BigBoss | I've ripped about 30 cd's so far with our new ripping tool, only a few hundred left to go |
| 17:30:49 | whardier | alan parsans |
| 17:30:49 | whardier | asfl;askdasdjklf |
| 17:30:49 | VerxWork | so how much does it cost to be able to rebroadcast them? |
| 17:30:49 | benmeyer | new ripping tool? |
| 17:30:50 | BigBoss | I have a number of alan parsons |
| 17:30:50 | benmeyer | Better then my kaudiocreator? |
| 17:30:50 | BigBoss | ftp.rygannon.com/pub/OggVorbis |
| 17:30:50 | BigBoss | this is linux only so far, windows is a couple weeks away and mac a couple months |
| 17:30:50 | BigBoss | we are giving it away |
| 17:30:50 | acf | hey bigboss |
| 17:30:50 | BigBoss | it is really easy to use - which was the key |
| 17:30:50 | benmeyer | player or ripper? |
| 17:30:50 | BigBoss | ripper |
| 17:30:50 | acf | i heard you have a company that does zaurus devlopment |
| 17:30:50 | VerxWork | hey benmeyer |
| 17:30:51 | VerxWork | is sniper at work today? |
| 17:30:51 | benmeyer | y |
| 17:30:51 | BigBoss | acf: yes we are |
| 17:30:51 | VerxWork | ok, thanks |
| 17:30:51 | VerxWork | his email said he was out |
| 17:30:51 | VerxWork | :) |
| 17:30:51 | whardier | likes using grip |
| 17:30:51 | Sniper | im here |
| 17:30:51 | BigBoss | now this version was built on suse8, so it might not work everywhere, we are going to make seperate builds |
| 17:30:51 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs/kaudiocreator/screenshots.html |
| 17:30:52 | BigBoss | Sniper: did you get a copy of tkcVideo? |
| 17:30:52 | benmeyer | wrote it because grip was too anoying and confusing |
| 17:30:52 | Sniper | i saw it on our feed .. thanks.. havent tesed |
| 17:30:52 | whardier | bah.. I have been using it for as long as its been grip.. I am pretty used to it |
| 17:30:52 | George- | BigBoss: DNS problem resolved yet? |
| 17:30:52 | Wembly | bbl |
| 17:30:52 | whardier | oggripper should display something right? when I run it |
| 17:30:52 | benmeyer | well I was used to it too, but it still anoyed me |
| 17:30:53 | whardier | and not freeze my terminal. |
| 17:30:53 | George- | hey cool |
| 17:30:53 | George- | thekompany.com is back up |
| 17:30:53 | BigBoss | George-: it started up again, still don't know what happened |
| 17:30:53 | BigBoss | whardier: yes it should - what distro are youon though? |
| 17:30:53 | whardier | debian |
| 17:30:54 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 17:30:54 | [DrEvil] | debian might be the problem |
| 17:30:54 | George- | BigBoss: I thought tkcRacer was to be put up today? |
| 17:30:54 | whardier | why is it stating my mp3 directory? |
| 17:30:54 | ljp_ | doesnt debian require the source code to run things? ;) |
| 17:30:54 | [DrEvil] | Show Me The Source! |
| 17:30:54 | treke|ho1e | no,just that you sell your soul to rms |
| 17:30:54 | whardier | BigBoss: why does it loko thru my mp3s? |
| 17:30:55 | whardier | s/loko/look/ |
| 17:30:55 | whardier | actually |
| 17:30:55 | BigBoss | whardier: what do you mean? |
| 17:30:55 | whardier | why does it look thru all of my directories |
| 17:30:55 | whardier | lstat64("/home/hardwire/.mc", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0775, st_size=78, ...}) = 0 |
| 17:30:55 | whardier | lstat64("/home/hardwire/.qt", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0775, st_size=35, ...}) = 0 |
| 17:30:56 | whardier | lstat64("/home/hardwire/art", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0775, st_size=1165, ...}) = 0 |
| 17:30:56 | whardier | lstat64("/home/hardwire/bin", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0775, st_size=103, ...}) = 0 |
| 17:30:56 | whardier | lstat64("/home/hardwire/mp3", {st_mode=S_IFLNK|0777, st_size=9, ...}) = 0 |
| 17:30:56 | BigBoss | George-: I'm just writing the text up now, should get the screenshots later today and we'll have it up later today |
| 17:30:56 | George- | BigBoss: coooool |
| 17:30:56 | whardier | why exactly is it doing that? |
| 17:30:56 | whardier | stat64("/home/hardwire/mp3", |
| 17:30:56 | George- | waits eagerly |
| 17:30:56 | BigBoss | whardier: strange - actually I have a slightly updated version that fixes a problem that comes up sometimes with freedb |
| 17:30:56 | whardier | the unanswerable question |
| 17:30:56 | whardier | oh well |
| 17:30:56 | George- | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000501 |
| 17:30:56 | George- | lol |
| 17:30:57 | benmeyer | cool so tkcVideo includeds the ffmpeg library? |
| 17:30:57 | ljp_ | cause it'll send you password file to tkc :D |
| 17:30:57 | whardier | ljp_ haha.. I expect that kind of stuff from Microsoft |
| 17:30:57 | whardier | not thekompany |
| 17:30:57 | whardier | time to down another pickle |
| 17:31:42 | picklemonger | is listening to Sheryl Crow |
| 17:32:12 | picklemonger | woot |
| 17:32:14 | picklemonger | denile is now in CVS |
| 17:32:18 | picklemonger | happy happy poot monger |
| 17:32:29 | whardier | time to work on it |
| 17:32:30 | whardier | heh |
| 17:32:55 | VerxWork | anyone else stunned with how cool scummvm is on their Z/iPAQ? |
| 17:34:42 | treke|ho1e | is in a partial state of stunnage |
| 17:34:57 | George- | can someone do me a favour? |
| 17:35:11 | angry | i got my 256MB CF card in the mail today :) |
| 17:35:14 | treke|ho1e | I'll be even more stunned when the native port works :) |
| 17:35:34 | George- | can somebody port scan my box, and query me the results? |
| 17:35:48 | ljp_ | george: there |
| 17:35:57 | ljp_ | there's web sites that will do that |
| 17:36:14 | George- | ljp_: what? |
| 17:36:24 | ljp_ | port scan you |
| 17:36:29 | ljp_ | and give you results |
| 17:36:30 | cranch | anyone have any opinions on wireless USB cards....are they slower than PCI cards ? |
| 17:36:42 | George- | will they query me the results? =P |
| 17:36:42 | George- | for *free*? |
| 17:36:46 | angry | when will opieplayer2 be out? |
| 17:37:11 | darienm | George-: http://www.auditmypc.com/ |
| 17:37:56 | sjohnson | cranch: There are limited by the USB speeds. The best speed you'll get is 12MB halfduplex |
| 17:37:56 | darienm | George-: port scan yourself |
| 17:37:56 | cranch | sjohnson.... |
| 17:37:56 | ljp_ | george: search google.. |
| 17:37:57 | numatrix | George-: There's also shieldsup.grc.com; kinda hokey, but works. |
| 17:37:57 | cranch | thats still faster than what any wireless will go though correct? |
| 17:37:57 | cranch | with my PCMCIA NIC, I can only get about 600K within my wireless.... |
| 17:37:57 | cranch | 700K at the most... |
| 17:37:57 | cranch | so that shouldn't have any effect on USB? |
| 17:37:57 | bipolar | bastard ISP blocks port 80... >-| |
| 17:38:25 | George- | darienm: ahh, great |
| 17:38:41 | angry | bipolar - so does mine |
| 17:39:01 | numatrix | Mine's even worse; NAT, all running on private ip. |
| 17:39:01 | sjohnson | cranch: wireless can do upto 11MB full duplex. |
| 17:39:01 | sjohnson | cranch: And FYI, an IPAQ will not handle a USB network adapter. |
| 17:39:05 | bipolar | angry: I just got around it with a web redirect to port 3000 :) |
| 17:39:38 | angry | which is the serial # on the Z? the one on the sticker? |
| 17:39:43 | sjohnson | cranch: Sorry forget what channel I was on |
| 17:39:46 | cranch | sjohnson...for my Desktop... |
| 17:39:47 | cranch | haha |
| 17:39:59 | bipolar | angry: bipolar-web.no-ip.org |
| 17:40:35 | cranch | sjohnson..11MB full duplex compared to 12mb half duplex...what kind of a slow down are we talking? |
| 17:40:38 | cranch | noticeable? |
| 17:40:42 | angry | bipolar: nice :) |
| 17:40:44 | sjohnson | cranch: Well for desktop. I'd get a PCI NIC. I've seen them for $20US at retailers. |
| 17:41:04 | angry | PICNIC! :) |
| 17:41:04 | cranch | Wireless NIC? |
| 17:41:10 | cranch | haha |
| 17:41:15 | sjohnson | cranch: Can be if your are doing file transfers and somthing interactive. |
| 17:41:44 | VerxWork | anyone else notice that usbnet expired AGAIN |
| 17:41:45 | VerxWork | ? |
| 17:41:58 | VerxWork | the one for windows I mean - bahia drivers |
| 17:42:04 | cranch | okay...I'll have to look into it..Thanks sjohnson |
| 17:42:08 | cranch | be back in a few peeps |
| 17:43:08 | kendrick2 | hey folksez |
| 17:43:15 | XavierXeon | ARGH !! now my phone does not work, und internet only works sometimes. |
| 17:43:31 | roge99_laptop | kergoth you around ... |
| 17:44:14 | prpplague | roge99_laptop: no he is square |
| 17:44:18 | angry | who was working on opieplayer2? |
| 17:44:23 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 17:44:50 | angry | o yeah that was harlekin |
| 17:46:58 | Cloudchaser | needs a valium |
| 17:47:10 | XavierXeon | too |
| 17:48:19 | Cloudchaser | 32mb is NOT enough! all the stuff that wants to load into ram only :( |
| 17:49:23 | VerxWork | wonders if it would be reasonable to mount cf as /opt |
| 18:02:58 | kendrick2 | hey kill |
| 18:02:58 | George- | darienm: That online port scanning thing scanned the wrong IP address |
| 18:02:59 | George- | darienm: It couldn't work out my IP =P |
| 18:02:59 | JasonNJ | hey kendrick |
| 18:02:59 | JasonNJ | long time no see. |
| 18:02:59 | kendrick2 | heya |
| 18:02:59 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 18:03:00 | kendrick2 | been busy |
| 18:03:00 | Cloudchaser | ok if i do this: smbmount //share/Movies -o username=xxxx, rw |
| 18:03:00 | kendrick2 | still have a job, though :) |
| 18:03:00 | kendrick2 | (i work at worldcom, if you forgot) |
| 18:03:00 | Cloudchaser | where do i put password? |
| 18:03:00 | Cloudchaser | ohh |
| 18:03:00 | JasonNJ | kendrick2: oy |
| 18:03:00 | Cloudchaser | must be scary! |
| 18:03:01 | killefiz | hmm ... i'm lagging 34 seconds |
| 18:03:02 | George- | ooooohh |
| 18:03:02 | George- | My router is locked down pretty tight :) |
| 18:03:04 | angry | the default player can play .mpg files? |
| 18:03:04 | darienm | yes |
| 18:03:04 | kendrick2 | yep |
| 18:03:04 | angry | goodies |
| 18:03:05 | darienm | http://www.pocketmovies.net is your friend |
| 18:03:05 | Cloudchaser | smbmount isn't working for me ;( but i'm not sure what i'm doing wrongn |
| 18:03:05 | killefiz | hmm ... the zsi had 13.5 GB in July - any idea how I could make a couple of bucks from the site to pay for traffic (which i'm not paying for right now but that might change if it keeps growing like that) |
| 18:03:05 | kendrick2 | advertising.com, doubleclick.net, valueclick.com, donation from sharp :) |
| 18:03:05 | treke | Cloudchaser : try mount -t smbfs -o username=USERnAME,password=PASSWORD //server/share /path/to/mountpoint |
| 18:03:06 | br33zy | I'm 14l15-315-314-t0, I moo, and I'm 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 18:03:06 | killefiz | kendrick2: i'm in germany and most of these sites don't allow "users" from outside the states |
| 18:03:06 | kendrick2 | fuck them |
| 18:03:06 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 18:03:06 | kendrick2 | i mean uhhh |
| 18:03:07 | JasonNJ | treke: you looked at any of this stuff yet? |
| 18:03:07 | JasonNJ | http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/swsup/ippv2.htm |
| 18:03:07 | treke | no, not my cup of tea :) |
| 18:03:07 | killefiz | kendrick2: is the amazon system you're using any good? |
| 18:03:07 | Cloudchaser | how do i set up mountpoint though? or does this set it up? |
| 18:03:07 | kendrick2 | meh |
| 18:03:07 | kendrick2 | it's ok |
| 18:03:07 | treke | oh wait, that looks kinda userful |
| 18:03:07 | VerxWork | wow JasonNJ, they support Linux |
| 18:03:07 | VerxWork | is impressed |
| 18:03:09 | Cloudchaser | treke: that didn't work .. no such file or directory |
| 18:03:09 | treke | Cloudchaser: hmmm, smbfs may not be a module on the Z |
| 18:03:09 | Cloudchaser | i have to set /mnt/movies somewhere/somehow |
| 18:03:09 | Cloudchaser | do i make a dir called /home/system/var/mnt/movies ? |
| 18:03:09 | Cloudchaser | i think i'm just misssing a step here somewhere |
| 18:03:10 | hunger | kergoth`zzz: Yre you here? |
| 18:03:10 | treke | just make it /mnt/movies |
| 18:03:10 | treke | or /home/root/movies |
| 18:03:10 | Cloudchaser | the z looks for it there |
| 18:03:16 | treke | the put it there |
| 18:03:51 | treke | and run mount -t smbfs -o ... //servername/share /home/system/var/mnt/movies |
| 18:03:53 | Cloudchaser | just mkdir /home/system/var/mnt/movies ? |
| 18:04:00 | treke | yes |
| 18:05:33 | Cloudchaser | ok that failed:invalid argument |
| 18:05:33 | Cloudchaser | i tried it the way smbmount showed in screenshot |
| 18:06:05 | Cloudchaser | then i get session request failed |
| 18:06:12 | kendrick2 | hey ben |
| 18:06:28 | benmeyer | www wer are slashdot |
| 18:06:28 | benmeyer | he there |
| 18:06:37 | benmeyer | yah power cords |
| 18:06:37 | benmeyer | routed all around my cube |
| 18:06:43 | benmeyer | kick one..... |
| 18:06:43 | benmeyer | grrr |
| 18:07:02 | arrrg | damn I cant get to internet |
| 18:07:02 | arrrg | thru my zaurus |
| 18:07:03 | benmeyer | why not? |
| 18:07:15 | arrrg | it doesn't work |
| 18:08:29 | arrrg | I can ping the windows computer |
| 18:08:33 | arrrg | DNS is set up correctly |
| 18:08:39 | kendrick2 | "www wer are slashdot"? |
| 18:09:11 | kendrick2 | oh - right on ... divx for zaurus |
| 18:09:17 | kendrick2 | sweet |
| 18:09:37 | benmeyer | bla, was typing in other window before I wrote that |
| 18:09:43 | arrrg | I have reason to believe windows is not doing it's part |
| 18:09:58 | benmeyer | what does your route table say? |
| 18:10:21 | arrrg | thats another thing, it keeps reseting |
| 18:10:24 | arrrg | how do I get it to stick |
| 18:10:30 | benmeyer | ? |
| 18:10:42 | arrrg | whenever I reboot the zaurus, route table resets |
| 18:13:50 | BigBoss | well crap, no wonder we are slow - I didn't know tkcVideo was slashdotted |
| 18:13:50 | BigBoss | the first time that happened we had over 600,000 hits that day |
| 18:13:51 | kendrick2 | is also posting to comp.sys.palmtops, comp.sys.handhelds and comp.os.linux.misc |
| 18:13:51 | kendrick2 | if you want, i can poke some other PDA sites and see if they'd accept a newsitem ;) |
| 18:13:51 | treke | BigBoss: and 2 sales? |
| 18:13:51 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 18:13:51 | kendrick2 | how can i make divx files? |
| 18:13:51 | kendrick2 | (and why would i want to, vs. mpeg) |
| 18:13:51 | BigBoss | kendrick2: thanks, go for it |
| 18:13:52 | BigBoss | divx uses mpeg4, which compresses really small |
| 18:13:52 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser has been doing some tests for us and is going to put her findings and links in the manual |
| 18:13:52 | arrrg | I thought divx and mpeg4 are totally different animals |
| 18:13:52 | kendrick2 | nifty |
| 18:13:53 | kendrick2 | needs a bigger CF card >:^) |
| 18:13:53 | kendrick2 | tkc should resell cards & shit for the z ;) |
| 18:13:53 | kendrick2 | "one stop shop" |
| 18:14:13 | BigBoss | mpeg4 is a compression algorithm |
| 18:14:25 | BigBoss | it can be used in a variety of formats like divx and quicktime |
| 18:14:53 | kendrick2 | now you need a video RECORDER app :) for the camera |
| 18:15:06 | kendrick2 | ok! "DivX for Sharp Zaurus!" posted to usenet |
| 18:15:13 | kendrick2 | now to be in the annals of history |
| 18:15:30 | Cloudchaser | Bigboss: i got the 716 mb file to 210 mb |
| 18:15:36 | benmeyer | I have the api to the camera if anyone wants it |
| 18:15:37 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:15:38 | Cloudchaser | and the 334 mb file works great |
| 18:15:59 | kendrick2 | too, actually :) |
| 18:16:02 | Cloudchaser | but i can't test it on z til i get smbmount working cause my card replacement hasn't got here yet |
| 18:16:03 | pdq | benmeyer: I'd appreciate a copy of that API |
| 18:16:10 | kendrick2 | mitchy gave it to me for god knows what reason |
| 18:16:17 | kendrick2 | i was hoping a camera would be on its way in the mail >:^) heheh |
| 18:16:47 | kendrick2 | cool! avi! i cant even do avi on my linux desktop right now :) |
| 18:16:59 | BigBoss | cool CC |
| 18:17:07 | kendrick2 | (i could at one point, with xmms... but then i switched to debian and never bothered figuring out how to install the avi crap) |
| 18:20:20 | kendrick2 | getting a 256MB card, CC? |
| 18:20:20 | arrrg | damn this F-in thing! |
| 18:20:20 | kendrick2 | i was able to mount onto a linux box one day... played a shitload of mp3s off the box thru the zaurus at a linux demo |
| 18:20:21 | Cloudchaser | kendrick2: i got one and broke it |
| 18:20:21 | Cloudchaser | i rma'd it |
| 18:20:21 | kendrick2 | ouch |
| 18:20:21 | kendrick2 | i broke my 64MB SD card once.... |
| 18:20:21 | Cloudchaser | waiting for tis relacement |
| 18:20:21 | kendrick2 | was doing a 'restore' off CF and onto a Paul's ROM... |
| 18:20:22 | kendrick2 | SEEMED to be hung indefinitely, so I crossed my fingers and yanked the card and shut the z off... bye-bye sd card :) |
| 18:20:22 | kendrick2 | luckily, sandisk let me rma it, too :) |
| 18:20:22 | Cloudchaser | does smbmount require samba server to be running on z? |
| 18:20:22 | kendrick2 | dont think so |
| 18:20:22 | kendrick2 | doesnt know samba tho :^/ |
| 18:20:23 | kendrick2 | what's the desktop? lin or win? |
| 18:20:24 | kendrick2 | reads infosync article |
| 18:20:24 | Cloudchaser | kendrick2: thats what happend to my card. i copied from linux to card, ran out of memory.. couldn't unmount card and shut pc down |
| 18:20:24 | kendrick2 | that Matrix sshot... tell me that's only from PART of the film :) |
| 18:20:25 | Cloudchaser | windows |
| 18:20:25 | kendrick2 | condolences ;) |
| 18:20:25 | Cloudchaser | the card never worked again after that |
| 18:20:25 | kendrick2 | bb & cc - will the manual have info on doing video conversion under linux? |
| 18:20:26 | Cloudchaser | couldn't format it fdisk it |
| 18:20:26 | Cloudchaser | nothing |
| 18:20:26 | kendrick2 | i have no windows box :^( |
| 18:20:26 | kendrick2 | sucks |
| 18:20:27 | benmeyer | http://kirk.math.twsu.edu/family/james/mplayer.html |
| 18:20:27 | kendrick2 | how $$ are 256MB CFs? |
| 18:20:27 | Cloudchaser | kendrick2: yes but windows first |
| 18:20:38 | Cloudchaser | linux will take me longer to figure out cause i'm a weenie |
| 18:22:25 | kendrick2 | look - oh, duh "matrix2-teaser" |
| 18:22:25 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 18:22:25 | kendrick2 | ben - that url for me? |
| 18:22:25 | Cloudchaser | hehe 256 is anywhwere from 60-95.00 from what i've seen |
| 18:22:25 | Cloudchaser | of course, the cheapest i could find it was 92. |
| 18:22:25 | Cloudchaser | but some lucky ones found them for 60 |
| 18:22:27 | killefiz | kendrick2: apt-get install aviplay? |
| 18:23:20 | kendrick2 | thx ben - i'll look at that tonight if i have time |
| 18:23:31 | kendrick2 | i've been doing tons of work on TuxPaint lately, so zaurus play has been reduced significantly |
| 18:30:33 | kendrick2 | E: Couldn't find package avi-play |
| 18:30:33 | benmeyer | not just for u, but anyone |
| 18:30:33 | kendrick2 | ben - can you email that url to me? (i know, i'm lame) |
| 18:30:33 | kendrick2 | i want to stick it in my "queue for the faq" |
| 18:30:34 | kendrick2 | (nbs@sonic.net btw) |
| 18:30:34 | kendrick2 | needs a free (as in speech) ttf font for use in tuxpaint |
| 18:30:34 | kendrick2 | seems i picked up some apple mac font (happened to be part of some icewm theme) |
| 18:30:34 | kendrick2 | apple's a buncha meanies :) |
| 18:30:34 | Cloudchaser | do i have to have an /etc/fstab entry for the smbmount? |
| 18:30:35 | roge99_laptop | Cloudchaser: only if you want it to mount on boot |
| 18:30:52 | Cloudchaser | ok then that's not the problem :( |
| 18:30:55 | Cloudchaser | not sure what is |
| 18:30:57 | kendrick2 | or mount it simply, like "mount /mnt/desktop" |
| 18:31:09 | kendrick2 | (e.g., no "-t smbfs -o blah blah blah //foo /bar" |
| 18:31:11 | Cloudchaser | i can't mount it ;( |
| 18:31:18 | Cloudchaser | i get error |
| 18:32:41 | Cloudchaser | i followed all the info i could find |
| 18:32:41 | Cloudchaser | still get session request failed |
| 18:32:41 | Cloudchaser | smb connection failed |
| 18:32:41 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 18:32:41 | roge99_laptop | whats the line your using to mount |
| 18:33:35 | Cloudchaser | when i do smbmount it says this command is designed to be run from within /bin/mount |
| 18:33:56 | Cloudchaser | i have /bin |
| 18:34:01 | Cloudchaser | but no mount |
| 18:34:04 | Cloudchaser | just umount |
| 18:34:31 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth |
| 18:34:35 | kergoth | hey |
| 18:35:02 | kendrick2 | "from within /bin/mount" ??? |
| 18:35:05 | Cloudchaser | roge99: i tried couple different ones: smbmount //server/Movies /mnt/movies -o username=, password= |
| 18:35:08 | kendrick2 | sounds like badly written docs |
| 18:35:48 | arrrg | try: mount -t smbfs -o username=,password= //winshare/dir /mnt/dir |
| 18:35:52 | Cloudchaser | and then i tried this: mount -t smbfs -o username=,password= |
| 18:36:00 | Cloudchaser | i did that too |
| 18:36:11 | arrrg | what did it say |
| 18:36:15 | arrrg | when you tried that |
| 18:36:57 | kendrick2 | needs to wander |
| 18:37:04 | kendrick2 | cya later! |
| 18:37:06 | Cloudchaser | tried from / and it sayd invalid argument |
| 18:37:10 | arrrg | I wish there was a way to have this thing in the cradle and be able to use the keyboard |
| 18:37:24 | Cloudchaser | tbere is: VNC |
| 18:37:33 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: try something simpler. do a smbclient -U user -L //box |
| 18:38:08 | Cloudchaser | command not found |
| 18:41:30 | arrrg | why, every time I go to suspend, does my routeing table reset? |
| 18:41:40 | | I haven't seen 'ardmallor', hogger |
| 18:41:40 | hogger | ibot seen ardmallor |
| 18:42:22 | | dmallor was last seen on #zaurus 13 hours, 58 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: I do like TKCjabber.. very clean looking [Thu Aug 1 05:44:17 2002] |
| 18:42:22 | hogger | ibot seen dmallor |
| 18:44:18 | scanline | is back (gone 05:27:42) |
| 18:45:09 | frankps | re |
| 19:00:56 | arrrg | so if I have winproxy, do I need to enable internet connection shareing? |
| 19:00:56 | scanline | is away: no good reason? |
| 19:00:57 | giminy_ | anybody know where linux kernel messages go on the Z? |
| 19:00:58 | dmallor | hogger.. you there? |
| 19:00:58 | | hogger was last seen on #zaurus 18 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen dmallor [Thu Aug 1 19:42:22 2002] |
| 19:00:58 | dmallor | ibot seen hogger |
| 19:01:00 | angry | is it possible to overclock the Z |
| 19:01:00 | Wembly | not really |
| 19:01:00 | Wembly | not without breaking things. |
| 19:01:00 | Wembly | besides. |
| 19:01:01 | angry | hot enough as it is? |
| 19:01:01 | Wembly | more clock = more transistor flips = more elesisty = less battery life. |
| 19:01:01 | | hogger was last seen on #zaurus 18 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen dmallor [Thu Aug 1 19:42:22 2002] |
| 19:01:01 | dmallor | ibot seen hogger |
| 19:01:01 | Wembly | angry: no |
| 19:01:01 | hogger | yo dmallor, I'm here |
| 19:01:01 | Wembly | angry: its just the timeing on other devices like cf and such |
| 19:01:01 | dmallor | no chit. |
| 19:01:02 | angry | ahh |
| 19:01:02 | dmallor | Im chatting to you on ICQ too. |
| 19:01:03 | Cloudchaser | has anyone here actually got the smbmount to work to a windows share? |
| 19:01:03 | dmallor | yep. several servers. |
| 19:01:03 | Cloudchaser | i have smbserver on z working fine |
| 19:01:03 | Cloudchaser | i'm missing something |
| 19:01:03 | dmallor | do you need command? |
| 19:01:03 | angry | can you run apps off of a windows share? :) |
| 19:01:03 | Cloudchaser | not yet |
| 19:01:03 | Cloudchaser | i can't mount windows share |
| 19:01:03 | dmallor | hmm.. I assume if they are linux binaries :) |
| 19:01:03 | dmallor | sec. |
| 19:01:04 | Cloudchaser | oh right |
| 19:01:04 | Cloudchaser | i just want to play tkcvideo using share for storage |
| 19:01:04 | Cloudchaser | since my card isn't here yet |
| 19:01:05 | dmallor | smbmount //xx.xx.xx.xx/sharename /mnt/smb/dirname -o username=user,password=pass |
| 19:01:05 | dmallor | must predefine dirname on your Z |
| 19:01:05 | hogger | don't forget the uid=user,gid=user if you plan on putting things up to this share |
| 19:01:05 | dmallor | doesn't matter on Z |
| 19:01:06 | dmallor | uid assumed as root |
| 19:01:06 | hogger | that's my point |
| 19:01:06 | dmallor | creator / accessor |
| 19:01:06 | dmallor | Z only has one user (ROOT) |
| 19:01:29 | BigBoss | lovely |
| 19:01:30 | dmallor | that work for you Cloudchaser? |
| 19:01:35 | BigBoss | the CEO of DivX just wrote me |
| 19:01:42 | BigBoss | they would like us to become "certified" |
| 19:01:54 | [DrEvil] | fork over the money |
| 19:01:57 | whardier | certified? |
| 19:02:03 | Wembly | aka you pay them for some stupid logo that means nothing? |
| 19:02:08 | XavierXeon | BigBoss: meaning what ? you have to pay ? |
| 19:02:16 | whardier | uhm.. doesn't that mean you would have to certify software that isn't yours? |
| 19:02:22 | [DrEvil] | all certifications involve money |
| 19:03:23 | [DrEvil] | lots of money |
| 19:04:22 | XavierXeon | killefiz: ping |
| 19:05:53 | whardier | hmm.. as soon as I see one good DivX come out of the divx.com folks.. |
| 19:05:58 | whardier | like.. actually high quality |
| 19:06:11 | whardier | hi bitrate |
| 19:06:14 | whardier | hi anything that proves they should ever be in charge of having any sort of cert |
| 19:06:17 | qurve | Heh |
| 19:06:23 | qurve | divx 3.11 is still better than divx.com |
| 19:06:27 | whardier | hehe |
| 19:06:33 | whardier | I use ffmpegs divx codecs for encoding |
| 19:06:36 | qurve | just use SBC encoding. |
| 19:06:38 | qurve | So sexy. |
| 19:06:39 | Cloudchaser | dmallor: that didn't work |
| 19:06:50 | Cloudchaser | but i want to check something real quick |
| 19:06:53 | dmallor | k. |
| 19:06:54 | whardier | I want to get my hands on Nancy |
| 19:06:57 | qurve | nandub is what it's all about. |
| 19:07:00 | whardier | that would hit the PDA market pretty fast |
| 19:07:06 | kergoth | Nancy? |
| 19:07:12 | whardier | BigBoss if you ever wanted a great codec.. buy nancy |
| 19:07:18 | dmallor | I put my command in a shell script... server.sh and chmod +x.. to save typing :) |
| 19:07:27 | whardier | Nancy is the codec really popular in Japan on Cell Phones and so forth |
| 19:07:32 | whardier | they have nancy streams going everywhere over there |
| 19:07:49 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:07:49 | whardier | it is a tighter encoder than divx.. better quality as well |
| 19:08:05 | whardier | and its decoder works well on 60mhz phones |
| 19:08:13 | Cloudchaser | still didn't work :( |
| 19:08:39 | whardier | they probably have a hardware decoder on the phone.. :) but still.. its an actual standard that people don't mind making hardware encoder/decoders for.. |
| 19:08:46 | qurve | Sharps customer service # sucks |
| 19:08:54 | qurve | They put you on hold, and it's just a dead line. |
| 19:08:58 | whardier | did they give youa qurve ball/ |
| 19:09:00 | qurve | You can't tell if it's disconnected you or what. |
| 19:11:32 | whardier | http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20011130S0080 |
| 19:11:33 | dmallor | Cloudchaser.. I just connected to my server and working fine.. Is your windows share on a 9x or a real server? |
| 19:11:41 | Cloudchaser | its windows share on win2k |
| 19:11:50 | Cloudchaser | i have account on win2k for root |
| 19:11:55 | Cloudchaser | with pw |
| 19:11:57 | dmallor | Did you create the userid in win2k and set permissions on your share? |
| 19:12:26 | Cloudchaser | yes gave root permissions specifically |
| 19:12:34 | dmallor | so you created a userid called root on your win2k box? |
| 19:12:34 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 19:12:54 | Cloudchaser | can ping win2k by name |
| 19:12:57 | dmallor | hmmm.. I personally wouldn't do that.. I would create something like zaurus and pass it in your smbmount command as username=zaurus |
| 19:13:36 | dmallor | whats your ip address of your win2k box. |
| 19:13:39 | dmallor | and sharename. |
| 19:14:11 | Cloudchaser | 192.168.1.104/Movies |
| 19:15:13 | dmallor | smbmount //192.168.1.104/Movies /mnt/smb/movies -o username=zaurus,password=zaurus |
| 19:15:20 | dmallor | predefine /mnt/movies on your Z. |
| 19:15:33 | Cloudchaser | i did: mkdir /mnt/movies |
| 19:15:53 | dmallor | cd into it.. does ls show anything? |
| 19:16:04 | hogger | then smbmount //192.168.1.104/Movies /mnt/movies -o username=root,password=(yourpassword) |
| 19:16:14 | Cloudchaser | it doesn't snow anything |
| 19:16:24 | dmallor | does smbmount give you any errors? |
| 19:16:44 | Cloudchaser | where do i run smbmount from? |
| 19:16:44 | dmallor | ahh.. good catch hogger. |
| 19:16:44 | Cloudchaser | from / ? |
| 19:16:58 | hogger | it should be in your path |
| 19:17:00 | dmallor | note: /mnt/movies in your smbmount command v/s /mnt/smb/movies |
| 19:17:20 | Cloudchaser | so i need to mkdir /mnt/smb/movies? |
| 19:17:22 | dmallor | I use /mnt/smb to keep all my smb mounts in one place. You can create it anywhere though if you want. |
| 19:17:34 | dmallor | right.. if thats where you are going to mount it to. |
| 19:17:36 | Cloudchaser | whats v/s? |
| 19:17:39 | dmallor | verse. |
| 19:17:50 | Cloudchaser | i'm confused |
| 19:18:06 | dmallor | you have to mount the 2k share (alias) it to a real directory on your Z.. |
| 19:18:17 | dmallor | so if you created /mnt/movies |
| 19:18:20 | Cloudchaser | right i have /mnt/movies |
| 19:18:23 | dmallor | then this command should work. |
| 19:18:42 | dmallor | smbmount //192.168.1.104/Movies /mnt/movies -o username=zaurus,password=zaurus |
| 19:19:05 | dmallor | see the command.. mounting windows share Movies to Unix directory /mnt/movies |
| 19:19:46 | benmeyer | killefiz.de isn't working.... |
| 19:19:46 | Cloudchaser | with ip address i get you specified an invalid share name |
| 19:19:50 | dmallor | case sensitive. |
| 19:19:59 | killefiz | benmeyer: oups |
| 19:20:01 | dmallor | Movies or movies.. double check it on your win2k |
| 19:20:34 | hogger | or, you could type smbmount -L 192.168.1.104 and it will show you the shares |
| 19:21:07 | dmallor | Is -L = list hogger? |
| 19:21:08 | XavierXeon | killefiz: is your server down ? |
| 19:22:11 | Cloudchaser | with sharename i get connection to BNS11287L i get invalid share name |
| 19:22:11 | dmallor | does -L command that hogger stated show you the sharename on win2k? |
| 19:22:11 | killefiz | XavierXeon: mysql has crashed hard |
| 19:22:11 | Harlekin | huhu |
| 19:22:18 | hogger | ardmallor: yeah, it's the equip of net view \\192.168.x.x in windows world |
| 19:22:27 | dmallor | ahh. |
| 19:22:28 | numatrix | Modded you up on slashdot, ben... :-) |
| 19:22:38 | Cloudchaser | that didnt work that command |
| 19:22:54 | dmallor | Hey Cloudchaser... Check the NIC on your 2k box facing your Z... Is file and print sharing enabled? |
| 19:22:54 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 19:23:03 | Cloudchaser | i had to set that up before i started this fiasco |
| 19:23:12 | dmallor | let me try -L on my Z |
| 19:23:53 | hogger | what about "smbmount -L 192.168.1.104 -o root" ? |
| 19:23:53 | hogger | I mean -o username=root |
| 19:23:56 | kergoth | hogger: thats incorrect. its -U root, iirc |
| 19:24:05 | kergoth | hogger: the syntax is different than mount -t smbfs |
| 19:24:12 | Cloudchaser | doh i'm such a moron |
| 19:24:17 | Cloudchaser | i got it |
| 19:24:23 | Cloudchaser | feels stupid |
| 19:24:24 | Cloudchaser | i did set share |
| 19:24:27 | George- | would "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" shred my entire hard disk? |
| 19:24:53 | killefiz | zsi works again - the / partition was full |
| 19:24:53 | Cloudchaser | but...when i just went to look it wasn't shared |
| 19:24:54 | Cloudchaser | turns red |
| 19:38:29 | Cloudchaser | my pc locked up earlier |
| 19:38:29 | Cloudchaser | i think it didn't keep the share i set ;( |
| 19:38:29 | dmallor | hogger.. I can't get -L to work on my Z.. wonder if -L is stripped from Z version.. Have you used it on Z before? |
| 19:38:29 | hogger | kergoth's right. -U is for smbclient, -o username= is for smbmount |
| 19:38:30 | hogger | try smbmount --help |
| 19:38:30 | hogger | I mean smbclient --help |
| 19:38:30 | Cloudchaser | smbclient didn't work |
| 19:38:30 | Cloudchaser | the command not there |
| 19:38:31 | hogger | hmm. it's not there. |
| 19:38:31 | dmallor | bummer. |
| 19:44:29 | hogger | sorry. I guess it's not part of the zaurus' smb package |
| 19:44:29 | dmallor | I was hoping for that on Z for a discovery too. |
| 19:44:30 | kergoth | that sucks. smbclient is nice for debugging if nothing else |
| 19:44:30 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:44:30 | hogger | you could try "net view \\192.168.1.104" on the win2k box to see a list of the shares |
| 19:44:30 | Cloudchaser | its working ;) |
| 19:44:30 | Cloudchaser | thanks so much! |
| 19:44:30 | dmallor | Isn't it nice to mount a few gigs to the Z on the fly. |
| 19:44:31 | angry | hehe |
| 19:44:31 | Cloudchaser | hehe now fo the biggie.. will my moveie work! |
| 19:44:31 | hogger | don't you feel sorry for the poor pocketPC saps that can't watch movies from the file server? |
| 19:44:31 | dmallor | its pretty fast too.. I don't know how much I would do over the USB over eth0... It seems a little flakey but I can stream divx no problem over wireless and wired lan nics. |
| 19:44:31 | BigBoss | http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?catalog=0&jid=5836385CC76CB323XAXEE6AA43E69FB9&platformId=9&productId=40382&productType=2§ionId=0&siteId=1&zsortParams=true |
| 19:44:32 | numatrix | racer?! |
| 19:44:32 | BigBoss | George-: there is tkcRace |
| 19:44:32 | arrrg | there is no 90 degree rotated web browser in the works is there? |
| 19:44:32 | numatrix | Sweet.... |
| 19:44:32 | BigBoss | should be on our site by tomorrow |
| 19:44:32 | angry | yay tkcRace! |
| 19:44:32 | George- | BigBoss: YAY! |
| 19:44:32 | dmallor | Tomorrow only between 4-5am.. can we get it for free :))) |
| 19:44:32 | cranch | that looks cool Boss |
| 19:44:32 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 19:44:33 | cranch | anyone got any good places to find DivX? |
| 19:44:33 | BigBoss | that thing was a real bugger to write |
| 19:44:33 | cranch | hah |
| 19:44:33 | cranch | I'm sure |
| 19:44:33 | cranch | looks really neat though |
| 19:44:33 | George- | BigBoss: who wrote it? |
| 19:44:33 | dmallor | I am broke.. when someone gets it can they setup VNC server so I can play with it :) |
| 19:44:33 | numatrix | cranch: divx.com ain't bad. |
| 19:44:33 | XavierXeon | does it also play neat ? |
| 19:44:33 | BigBoss | someone other than max :) |
| 19:44:33 | cranch | thats where I've gotten some of mine from |
| 19:44:34 | George- | dmallor: lol |
| 19:44:34 | pdq1 | that mplayer binary also seems to work well |
| 19:44:34 | hogger | I assume tkcrace is multiplayer over tcpip isn't it? |
| 19:44:34 | George- | BigBoss: you? |
| 19:44:34 | George- | BigBoss: Got your prizes from the TT competition yet? |
| 19:44:35 | George- | omg, that racer looks sweeeett |
| 19:44:35 | arrrg | TT competition? |
| 19:44:35 | dmallor | wow.. it just went down $1 in price.. |
| 19:44:35 | George- | arrrg: trolltech |
| 19:44:35 | arrrg | oh |
| 19:44:35 | George- | hmm 3km/h? |
| 19:44:35 | dmallor | BigBoss.. How long it take to put that together? |
| 19:44:36 | George- | That's bloody slow for a racing game :) |
| 19:44:36 | hogger | they're little cars |
| 19:44:36 | dmallor | Looks pretty fun.. If its networkable? |
| 19:44:36 | George- | hogger: lol |
| 19:44:36 | Cloudchaser | hmm vid is a bit slow and jerky |
| 19:44:36 | hogger | hehe |
| 19:44:36 | hogger | yeah, is it networkable? |
| 19:44:36 | Cloudchaser | like it stops after every few frames |
| 19:44:36 | cranch | vid is jerky on what Cloud? |
| 19:44:36 | angry | do you have a server for tkcRace? |
| 19:44:37 | angry | like so you can see ALL available players? |
| 19:44:37 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: wheres the racer? |
| 19:44:37 | Cloudchaser | its very dark too |
| 19:44:37 | dmallor | Your not playing your DIVX over smb while trying to play are you :) |
| 19:44:37 | cranch | Cloud...DivX or racing game? |
| 19:44:37 | George- | Cloudchaser: on what? |
| 19:44:37 | Cloudchaser | i'm playing divx over network |
| 19:44:37 | Cloudchaser | on z |
| 19:44:38 | dmallor | ahh. |
| 19:44:38 | cranch | ahhh gotcha :) |
| 19:44:38 | cranch | how small did you get it |
| 19:44:38 | angry | sucks :) |
| 19:44:38 | dmallor | With TK divx player? |
| 19:44:38 | JasonNJ | that racing game looks cool |
| 19:44:38 | Cloudchaser | 217 mb |
| 19:44:38 | arrrg | is there anyway to be part of the network without useing a proxy server? |
| 19:44:38 | George- | Cloudchaser: 10BaseT? 100BaseT? |
| 19:44:38 | Cloudchaser | yes but at 217 quality isn't so great |
| 19:44:39 | George- | Cloudchaser: USB? |
| 19:44:39 | arrrg | or do I have to do that if I use USDB |
| 19:44:39 | arrrg | USB |
| 19:44:39 | Cloudchaser | wireless so slow |
| 19:44:39 | dmallor | Really |
| 19:44:39 | Cloudchaser | but its all i have to test |
| 19:44:39 | dmallor | Wireless slower than USB? |
| 19:44:43 | angry | wireless is too slow for video? |
| 19:44:43 | Cloudchaser | 11mb/se |
| 19:44:43 | George- | 11MB/s |
| 19:44:43 | George- | er.. |
| 19:44:43 | George- | 11Mb/s |
| 19:44:43 | angry | 11Mb/s = what MB/s? |
| 19:44:43 | cranch | I'd like to see the Wireless NIC that gets 11MB/s |
| 19:44:43 | George- | wireless == 11Mb/s, usb == 12Mb/s |
| 19:44:43 | George- | not much different.. |
| 19:44:43 | cranch | I mean Mb/s |
| 19:44:43 | dmallor | You shouldn't need that kind of bandwidth for divx.. you just need consistency or a good caching divx player. |
| 19:44:44 | George- | angry: about 1.2MB/s |
| 19:44:44 | angry | thats fast enough for streaming video |
| 19:44:44 | dmallor | USB is flakey for me... |
| 19:44:44 | kergoth | George-: but with usb you're running standard ethernet over it. not designed for networking, i'd think there'd be additional overhead, wouldnt there? |
| 19:44:44 | Cloudchaser | hANG ON.. going to try the good quality divx and see if its bad quality or network latency |
| 19:44:44 | dmallor | Maybe burstable at 12MB.. but not consistent like a real NIC. |
| 19:44:44 | kergoth | dmallor: usbdnet driver sucks |
| 19:44:44 | cranch | If anyone has seen a Wireless card run at more than 700kb/sec, I'd like to know |
| 19:44:44 | dmallor | yet. |
| 19:44:45 | dmallor | yep.. I agree. |
| 19:44:45 | George- | kergoth: yes, probably |
| 19:44:45 | dmallor | Thats why I use wireless or wired. |
| 19:44:45 | angry | kergoth: when is the new opieplayer2 coming out? |
| 19:44:45 | George- | kergoth: I haven't a clue, I'm clueless :) |
| 19:44:45 | kergoth | angry: no idea, ask in #opie |
| 19:44:45 | cranch | BigBoss: you see the reply in the mailing list about buying applications at a discount? |
| 19:44:45 | dmallor | I even changed my intellesync to go to wired NIC IP and I can transfer stuff 100 times faster. |
| 19:44:45 | George- | cranch: heh, 802.11g? |
| 19:44:46 | benmeyer | BigBoss: is the race car game networkable? |
| 19:44:46 | cranch | I need a nice Wireless CF card |
| 19:44:46 | BigBoss | cranch: yea, I read them |
| 19:44:46 | cranch | well George..I meant 802.11b |
| 19:44:46 | BigBoss | ben: probably not, haven't tried |
| 19:44:46 | cranch | any chance of that happening? |
| 19:44:46 | dmallor | Be carefull and don't buy he linksys wmp11 |
| 19:44:46 | cranch | I think I'm going to be on my 6th app... |
| 19:44:46 | hogger | and don't buy the dlink either |
| 19:44:46 | cranch | and I haven't gotten a discount cause I've mostly boughten apps not in the bundle |
| 19:44:46 | dmallor | Works fine but You can get your stylus out :)... Netgear is good one. and the linksys wmp12 doesnt work with the Z. |
| 19:44:46 | hogger | smc and netgear are good |
| 19:44:46 | George- | cranch: heh, ok :) |
| 19:44:47 | BigBoss | the bundle was a very good discount |
| 19:44:47 | kergoth | just get a prism2.5 card and yo'll be okay |
| 19:44:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:44:47 | angry | how about the buffalo one |
| 19:44:47 | kergoth | buffalo is good too |
| 19:44:47 | cranch | I want the SMC one...but have to find a good place to buy it from |
| 19:44:47 | angry | good range w/ the buffalo i've heard |
| 19:44:47 | cranch | I agree BigBoss...but as of now I don't need most of those apps... |
| 19:44:47 | arrrg | can I get opengl for my zaurus? |
| 19:44:47 | hogger | watch the width of the cards. the dlink covers the stylus |
| 19:44:47 | dmallor | I traded a guy my bulkey linksys for his netgear... His casio was big enough to use it and get his stylus out . |
| 19:44:47 | Wembly | arrrg: you dont want opengl for the zaurus. |
| 19:44:47 | hogger | try tigerdirect. they've got the smc for about $99 |
| 19:44:47 | kergoth | hogger: as i said, buy a prism2.5 card. its a lower footprint. |
| 19:44:47 | arrrg | Wembly: what do I want then |
| 19:44:48 | Wembly | you dont want opengl for any pda its scary :) |
| 19:44:48 | Cloudchaser | must be network.. i'll try to find something smaller and resize it with same settings |
| 19:44:48 | hogger | ah. you're on a roll kergoth. |
| 19:44:48 | dmallor | wired nic... Hawking for $69... |
| 19:44:48 | arrrg | Wembly: what can I use to do 3D stuff |
| 19:44:48 | kergoth | mmm neeedddd more cofffeeee |
| 19:44:48 | angry | linksys wc12 was $60 for a bit but that card sucks the balls |
| 19:44:48 | kergoth | sugar make me a coffee |
| 19:44:48 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 19:44:48 | dmallor | did you get wmc12 to work on Z? |
| 19:44:49 | dmallor | wmp12 |
| 19:44:49 | | I haven't seen 'coffee', hogger |
| 19:44:49 | hogger | ibot seen coffee |
| 19:44:49 | cranch | I was taking tkcRace, tkcVideo, tkcAddress and Calendar (don't remember if those came in the bundle or not) etc |
| 19:44:49 | cranch | taking = talking :) |
| 19:44:49 | BigBoss | those aren't in the bundle |
| 19:44:50 | cranch | I know :) |
| 19:44:51 | cranch | just wondering if the discount would be ever applicable to total purchases rather than buying in a bundle |
| 19:44:51 | cranch | say I by the email app, the video player, the racing game, etc |
| 19:45:43 | BigBoss | cranch: look at www.thekompany.com/embedded for the description at the top |
| 19:51:36 | cranch | I just read some replies in the mailing list Boss...seems fair enough to me..I just thought I'd ask before I bought tkcRace (which I just did) |
| 19:51:42 | benmeyer | /opt/Qtopia/include/qpe/quuid.h:44: long, short, signed or unsigned |
| 19:51:42 | benmeyer | anyone else seen that? |
| 19:51:42 | benmeyer | when trying to include <qpe/qlibrary.h> |
| 19:52:23 | prpplague | BigBoss: hey you got a /. |
| 19:52:29 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-08-01 20:28:59 | VeriSign and Other Registry Giants Blast ICANN | Computers That Thrive in Salty, Humid Environments? | TheKompany Releases DivX Software For Zaurus | AT&amp;T Broadband Introduces Tiered Pricing |
| 19:52:29 | prpplague | ibot: slashdot |
| 19:55:11 | jmhodges | heya |
| 19:58:13 | sig | anyone here use fbsd 4.6? |
| 19:58:44 | hogger | I've got fbsd 4.6 on a couple of boxes |
| 20:12:05 | kergoth | starts learning more than he ever wanted to know about linux keyboard drivers |
| 20:12:06 | jmhodges | lol |
| 20:12:06 | kergoth | they're not fun, let me tell you.. |
| 20:12:08 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 20:12:08 | jmhodges | why are you learning about thenm? need it for the Z's keyboard> |
| 20:12:08 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:12:08 | kergoth | time to port it forward |
| 20:12:09 | jmhodges | suck |
| 20:12:09 | kergoth | probably convert it to the linux input layer |
| 20:12:09 | jmhodges | ah |
| 20:12:09 | kergoth | which is a big change |
| 20:12:10 | jmhodges | lol |
| 20:12:18 | jmhodges | your converting everything to the input layer arent you? :) |
| 20:12:26 | kergoth | well, anything that is used for INPUT |
| 20:12:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:12:50 | ljp_ | eeehh who needs the keyboard |
| 20:12:58 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 20:13:04 | ljp_ | work on voice recognition |
| 20:13:11 | jmhodges | lol |
| 20:13:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:13:24 | umopapisdn | kergoth: for how long time have your been doing kernel stuff? |
| 20:13:37 | kergoth | umopapisdn: not long |
| 20:13:40 | ljp_ | "zaurus: reboot" |
| 20:14:10 | kergoth | umopapisdn: let me give you a rundown.. i've been at Digi for 2 years. over that period I learned c, learned c++, and starting doing a bit of kernel development on the side |
| 20:14:20 | kergoth | umopapisdn: heheh |
| 20:14:27 | kergoth | umopapisdn: so i have nowhere near enough experience yet |
| 20:14:47 | umopapisdn | kergoth: hehe.. well, that's what I would call really throwing yourself into the fire.. :) |
| 20:14:52 | kergoth | umopapisdn: wheee |
| 20:15:05 | jmhodges | thinks kergoth must be wearing a flame retardant suit then |
| 20:15:36 | umopapisdn | kergoth: so what's a good way of getting into how the kernel is working? |
| 20:15:54 | ljp_ | read the source |
| 20:16:34 | umopapisdn | ljp_: no real good documentation of the overall structure somewhere? |
| 20:17:21 | kergoth | umopapisdn: read the source, read linux device drivers for a feel of how the driver aspect works |
| 20:17:37 | kergoth | umopapisdn: follow LKML, i cant stress that enough |
| 20:17:48 | kergoth | umopapisdn: listen to the conversations, learn from the stupid questions others ask ;-) |
| 20:18:26 | umopapisdn | kergoth: hehe, yeah, hmm... i'm sort of curious about it so I probably will do that. |
| 20:18:45 | kergoth | umopapisdn: just be prepared for the volume on that list.. |
| 20:19:00 | ljp_ | get the digest version |
| 20:19:12 | kergoth | digest is hard to parse |
| 20:19:14 | umopapisdn | +100 msgs / day? |
| 20:19:18 | kergoth | if you use digest, get the digest->html converter |
| 20:19:19 | kergoth | umopapisdn: yes. |
| 20:19:43 | cranchy | WOOHOO I'm back :) |
| 20:19:58 | umopapisdn | kergoth: btw, did you get the LEDs sorted out? |
| 20:20:07 | kergoth | umopapisdn: no, they dont like me |
| 20:20:21 | kergoth | umopapisdn: I even compared every register on the chip that controls it from 2.4.6 to 2.5.26, and nothing is out of the ordinary |
| 20:20:53 | kergoth | umopapisdn: I see differences in keyboard, spi, etc.. things I know I havent started support for yet, but they dont expljain the led misbehavior |
| 20:20:53 | kergoth | umopapisdn: its odd |
| 20:21:29 | umopapisdn | kergoth: yaeh. and sharp can't help with any documentation at all right? |
| 20:21:40 | kergoth | umopapisdn: dont think so. proprietary crap |
| 20:22:11 | George- | heh, I'm backing up my hard disk so I can "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" it :) |
| 20:23:05 | umopapisdn | kergoth: are there lots of other stuff you haven't figured out/implemented yet specific to the Z? |
| 20:23:30 | kergoth | umopapisdn: well, i'm just doing a port.. but a lot of rewriting is necessary for things that were hacked together rather than done right |
| 20:23:37 | cranchy | is there sound in tkcRace? |
| 20:23:38 | kergoth | umopapisdn: I havent done the keyboard, audio, or pcmcia yet |
| 20:23:41 | ljp_ | he has not figured out the bartender drivers just yet |
| 20:23:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:23:47 | kergoth | ljp_: ssshhh |
| 20:23:56 | cranchy | sugar is a bartender ljp :) |
| 20:23:59 | cranchy | haha |
| 20:24:07 | ljp_ | not a real one |
| 20:24:13 | cranchy | sugar make ljp_ a margarita |
| 20:24:14 | Sugar | rubs the rim of a cocktail glass with lemon or lime rind and dip in salt then shakes ingredients with ice and strain into salt rimmed glass and serves it to ljp_. |
| 20:25:15 | ljp_ | scratch that Sugar |
| 20:25:35 | ljp_ | sugar make me a bloody mary |
| 20:25:36 | Sugar | shakes vodka, tomato juice, lemon juice, worcestershire sauce, tabasco sauce, salt and pepper to taste and ice, strains it into an old-fashioned glass over ice cubes then adds wedge of lime and serves it to ljp_. |
| 20:26:24 | umopapisdn | kergoth: and it's pretty much only you working on that eh? :) |
| 20:26:24 | ljp_ | today is the first cloudy day here in about 3 months |
| 20:26:49 | kergoth | umopapisdn: oh yeah, its my project.. i just want to get it over and done with so i can release OZ with 2.4.19 and start on other projects :-) |
| 20:27:34 | umopapisdn | kergoth: hehe, anything else interesting in the pipeline? |
| 20:29:28 | kergoth | umopapisdn: umm, opie will be running as a standard user instead of root soon |
| 20:30:06 | kergoth | umopapisdn: oh also, hang out in #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net to learn more |
| 20:30:19 | kergoth | umopapisdn: and read all the docs on kernelnewbies.org and all the docs it links to |
| 20:31:39 | umopapisdn | kergoth: ahh, ok... thanks! |
| 20:32:01 | [DrEvil] | argggggh |
| 20:32:05 | [DrEvil] | why did I miss that |
| 20:32:11 | jmhodges | argggggh? |
| 20:32:18 | jmhodges | miss what [DrEvil]? |
| 20:32:26 | [DrEvil] | smbmnt |
| 20:33:02 | [DrEvil] | I am tidying up EvilROM 2.0 |
| 20:33:15 | jmhodges | ah |
| 20:33:17 | George- | [DrEvil]: EvilROM 2.0? |
| 20:33:23 | jmhodges | removing or addding smbnnt? |
| 20:33:45 | [DrEvil] | I need to add it |
| 20:33:50 | [DrEvil] | since smbmount needs it |
| 20:34:12 | [DrEvil] | also prepares to jettison ToDo |
| 20:35:28 | [DrEvil] | I think these paint fumes are getting to me |
| 20:36:37 | daralc | :) |
| 20:37:11 | daralc | tkcVideo looks cool, minus you have to use CF storage |
| 20:37:46 | Cam__ | has anyone managed to stream video over wireless yet? |
| 20:38:04 | hogger | cloudchaser has |
| 20:38:21 | Cam__ | and? is it robust or is it only just possible? |
| 20:38:40 | hogger | not sure. cloudchaser??? |
| 20:39:21 | Cam__ | I got a spam mail about Big Brother 3 live video... |
| 20:39:29 | daralc | hah |
| 20:39:35 | daralc | how big is the range on 802.11b? |
| 20:39:41 | Cam__ | but BB3 has just finished in the UK (I suppose it's starting in USA) |
| 20:39:42 | daralc | i'm a mile from school, hmm |
| 20:40:00 | Cam__ | daralc not a mile, unless you have special antennae |
| 20:40:14 | daralc | ah |
| 20:40:26 | daralc | i have a Dlink WAP |
| 20:40:36 | daralc | and going to get a Linksys 802.11b CF card |
| 20:40:44 | daralc | what kind of atteane? |
| 20:40:48 | Cam__ | buy a pylon :P and a pringles can :) |
| 20:41:09 | daralc | ha |
| 20:41:17 | daralc | hmm, trees a problem? |
| 20:41:36 | Cam__ | I'm guessing you'd need pro equipment or at least a soldering iron and some tech skills to get an antenna lead out of the interface card |
| 20:41:49 | daralc | oh |
| 20:41:58 | daralc | what about on the other end |
| 20:42:02 | Cam__ | I think buildings and metal things are the biggest problem |
| 20:42:03 | daralc | can i not just broadcast louder? :) |
| 20:42:39 | Cam__ | daralc it's 2 way so you need to boost both ends' sensitivity or signal strength |
| 20:42:50 | daralc | ah |
| 20:43:22 | Cam__ | Has anyone done any Java stuff for the new contest yet? |
| 20:43:40 | daralc | Cam__: is it do-able? |
| 20:44:40 | Cam__ | daralc if you can find friends that live at 300m intervals between you and your school, then you could have repeaters... |
| 20:45:00 | daralc | 300m |
| 20:45:04 | daralc | what is that in terms of miles? |
| 20:45:21 | Cam__ | well it's about 1/4 mile I'd guess |
| 20:45:32 | Cam__ | (1km == 1000m = .6 mile?) |
| 20:45:35 | daralc | hmm, i need to find exact distance |
| 20:45:54 | daralc | i can park my car half way, haha |
| 20:46:07 | user_ | you could use a parabolic dish if you have line of sight to the school |
| 20:46:12 | Cam__ | propagation depends on the environment, so the best way is to walk-test with a portable device |
| 20:46:23 | daralc | i will need to most likely |
| 20:46:43 | daralc | i have trees within a .3 or .4 radius around my house |
| 20:46:50 | daralc | like a fair amount of them |
| 20:46:54 | Cam__ | If you're thinking about buying one for the Z but are not sure...I'd say get a good low power one, and it will probably outlast the Z in terms of usefulness |
| 20:46:57 | daralc | but after that, the last little bit to the school is open |
| 20:47:07 | daralc | ya |
| 20:47:23 | toolafial | if you can get two parabolic dishes and put them up high enough you should be set |
| 20:47:29 | Cam__ | daralc can you see the school building from where you are, or is the ground in the way? or just trees? |
| 20:47:38 | toolafial | dishes with like 25 db gain |
| 20:47:39 | daralc | trees mostly |
| 20:47:50 | daralc | i bet if i could get on our roof i could get a fairly clean signal |
| 20:47:54 | daralc | but thats 30 feet off the ground haha |
| 20:48:03 | Cam__ | well if you were on the roof of the school with a laser pointer... could you target your house? |
| 20:48:30 | daralc | hmm, not sure, its a straight miile... i not sure if our house sits down at lower elevation, etc. |
| 20:48:42 | daralc | but assuming same elevation,yes |
| 20:48:48 | Cam__ | daralc the line of sight thing is crucial |
| 20:48:53 | daralc | yea |
| 20:48:59 | daralc | i might get a tall ladder |
| 20:49:06 | daralc | get on the roof of my house to mount dishes |
| 20:49:12 | daralc | well, first to look |
| 20:49:39 | daralc | i think i will have line of sight + less than 30% obstruction if i get up there |
| 20:49:41 | daralc | but thats hypothesis |
| 20:51:46 | cranchy | does tkcRace have sound? |
| 20:51:51 | w00t | hey guys |
| 20:52:12 | w00t | im having some trouble with the new tkc library |
| 20:52:13 | daralc | Cam__: you in here often? if i come back in a few days after i check it out? |
| 20:52:29 | cranchy | w00t..whats the problem |
| 20:52:29 | w00t | 1.5.0-12 |
| 20:52:42 | w00t | many actually |
| 20:52:42 | Cam__ | I'm here from time to time :) |
| 20:52:54 | w00t | i have editor, explorer, gallery, and player |
| 20:52:58 | w00t | and those have worked fine |
| 20:53:20 | w00t | until i "upgraded" the lbrary to 1.5.0-12, so I can use tkcVideo |
| 20:53:34 | cranchy | yup... |
| 20:53:48 | Cam__ | I can't wait to demo the video to people |
| 20:53:57 | w00t | and either I cant install tkcVideo, or if I can, it just wont load |
| 20:54:09 | w00t | and also, the tkc Icons arent showing up |
| 20:54:24 | w00t | plus, there isnt a tkc category |
| 20:55:10 | w00t | i have more than enough RAM to install the library - which is what caused the same problem months before |
| 20:55:40 | msmax | woot: run System Info, and see how much you have free space on Internal Storage, please check it again |
| 20:56:30 | w00t | msmax: see the post above you |
| 20:57:35 | w00t | i have both SD and CF memory, and have had all the tkc apps installed on the SD card - everything was perfect and ran fine |
| 20:57:49 | w00t | until I tried to use the new library |
| 20:58:10 | msmax | you must uninstall all tkc app and tkc lib |
| 20:58:25 | msmax | and install all of it again for version 12 |
| 20:58:26 | w00t | i uninstalled the old one, and all the old apps, and installed the new one, and the most recent version of all the apps |
| 20:58:45 | msmax | qpe installed don't support update, and you must uninstall and install |
| 20:58:55 | w00t | yes i know |
| 20:59:00 | w00t | i did that |
| 20:59:01 | msmax | ok |
| 20:59:02 | w00t | no dice |
| 20:59:08 | msmax | what you have now? |
| 20:59:21 | w00t | whaddya mean? |
| 20:59:26 | w00t | what apps do I have? |
| 20:59:43 | w00t | Explorer, Gallery, Video, Player, Editor - all version 1.5.0-12 |
| 21:01:54 | msmax | what not work for you? |
| 21:01:58 | daralc | ok |
| 21:02:02 | daralc | i ahve too many trees |
| 21:02:13 | daralc | too bad sharp mobile isn't all that fast |
| 21:02:27 | w00t | technically the library |
| 21:02:36 | w00t | b/c none of the apps can load now |
| 21:02:52 | w00t | although they (their older versions) could with the older library |
| 21:04:12 | daralc | :\ |
| 21:04:41 | daralc | too bad i won't have line of sight :( |
| 21:21:11 | nmendes | hi there |
| 21:21:34 | nmendes | I'm using scp to transfer files with 350K each, on avg |
| 21:22:02 | nmendes | for some reason, the connection drops if I choose ie. 30 files |
| 21:22:28 | nmendes | problem with ssh config ? |
| 21:23:08 | angry | w00t - what happens when you try to launch them |
| 21:24:16 | [DrEvil] | let's see if my ncurses upgrade works |
| 21:31:37 | w00t | angry: thx, but I already solved it |
| 21:31:44 | w00t | i had to reset my Z :( |
| 21:33:03 | jmhodges | yeah the gui is very .. windows |
| 21:33:34 | Cam__ | anyone, what's the best linux app to shrink down large .mpg files for viewing on the Z? |
| 21:34:30 | w00t | heh |
| 21:34:37 | w00t | tkcVideo crashed my Z :( |
| 21:34:49 | w00t | shit |
| 21:35:03 | Cam__ | USB crashes ym Z and my x86, all the time :(( |
| 21:35:31 | w00t | damn it |
| 21:35:35 | w00t | had to reset AGAIN |
| 21:35:42 | w00t | im not liking this tkcVideo |
| 21:35:59 | angry | w00t: did it put the app in a blank tab? |
| 21:36:03 | Cam__ | is it the video player, the codec, the video file, or the USB? |
| 21:36:22 | w00t | yeah, i got that prob figured out |
| 21:36:28 | w00t | but i now have a new problem |
| 21:36:42 | angry | w00t; how'd you solve the first one |
| 21:36:59 | w00t | reset my z |
| 21:37:04 | angry | w00t; cool |
| 21:37:10 | w00t | no, not really |
| 21:37:23 | w00t | definitely not cool |
| 21:38:13 | Harlekin | Cam__: transcode |
| 21:38:57 | Cam__ | Harlekin thanks - just found a page about that using google... I wonder if it does MPG? |
| 21:39:17 | Harlekin | does pretty much everything |
| 21:39:18 | angry | w00t: oh you mean hard reset |
| 21:39:24 | Harlekin | Cam__: tell me if you find a decent frontend |
| 21:39:28 | w00t | yeup :P |
| 21:39:46 | Cam__ | Harlekin like you couldn't knock up one in Qt quickly? |
| 21:39:51 | Harlekin | no |
| 21:39:57 | Harlekin | transcode is quite complex |
| 21:40:24 | Cam__ | some stuff just wants to stay on the command line :) |
| 21:40:41 | w00t | ok |
| 21:40:46 | w00t | maybe its the avi file |
| 21:40:49 | w00t | damn it |
| 21:41:06 | Harlekin | w00t: which avifile? |
| 21:42:04 | w00t | oh, just a movie i made |
| 21:42:09 | w00t | its actually a clip of coyote ugly |
| 21:42:18 | w00t | i had to do some freaky shit tho |
| 21:42:35 | w00t | (one step included, wmv->avi - dont ask) |
| 21:43:03 | angry | w00t: you tap the file, the icon shows on the bottom and nothing happens |
| 21:43:05 | angry | right? |
| 21:43:32 | w00t | angry: im way past that |
| 21:43:53 | w00t | the tkcVideo loads now, but crashes when i try to play my avi file |
| 21:44:05 | Harlekin | w00t: could you send it to me |
| 21:44:06 | angry | w00t: to fix that, you did a hard reset of your Z and reinstalled? |
| 21:44:15 | Harlekin | is looking for problematic avis |
| 21:44:20 | w00t | previously i think i was just too low on memory (i thought 1mb was enuf for the library, guess not) |
| 21:44:31 | angry | Harlekin: you working on opieplayer2? :) |
| 21:44:32 | w00t | send u the avi? |
| 21:44:44 | Harlekin | angry: how do you know? |
| 21:44:46 | Harlekin | .) |
| 21:44:49 | Harlekin | w00t: for example |
| 21:44:55 | angry | Harlekin: we were talking yesterday :) |
| 21:44:57 | Harlekin | w00t: its just a trailer, right? |
| 21:45:01 | w00t | no |
| 21:45:10 | angry | Harlekin: when do you think it will debut again? |
| 21:45:11 | w00t | good ol illegal rip |
| 21:45:13 | Harlekin | w00t: ok, then just send me the first 1 mb |
| 21:45:20 | w00t | the first 1mb? |
| 21:45:21 | Harlekin | angry: 10 days |
| 21:45:23 | w00t | um |
| 21:45:26 | Harlekin | w00t: ok the avi |
| 21:45:26 | w00t | no thx |
| 21:45:29 | Harlekin | w00t: off |
| 21:47:52 | Harlekin | w00t: didnt see it |
| 21:48:03 | [DrEvil] | ponders shoe-horning python in |
| 21:48:35 | w00t | ok |
| 21:49:30 | w00t | how many friggen times do i have to recompile my friggen kernel!?!?! |
| 21:50:48 | Cam__ | w00t you'll do it until you get it right <slap!> |
| 21:51:06 | w00t | god damn it - today is not going well |
| 21:51:12 | w00t | tkcVideo crashed (again) |
| 21:51:19 | w00t | too high quality of a video, i guess |
| 21:51:45 | tux_mike | BigBoss: i see you have been /.'ed. I wonder if that'll increase your sales. |
| 21:52:24 | w00t | who's BigBoss? tkc? |
| 21:52:30 | Harlekin | heh |
| 21:52:46 | Cam__ | aka Shawn |
| 21:54:04 | w00t | Shawn Gordon, right? |
| 21:55:51 | w00t | shit, not again |
| 21:55:58 | w00t | ALL I WANT IS USB SUPPORT!!!! |
| 21:56:03 | angry | yay zaurus on /.!! :) |
| 21:56:13 | kergoth | w00t: enable all the usb stuff as modules, and install hotplug. done. |
| 21:56:45 | w00t | sorry, its not zaurus related |
| 21:56:53 | Harlekin | angry: i hope that boosts zaurus hardware sales |
| 21:57:04 | tux_mike | woot: all your usb are belong to us! :) |
| 21:57:11 | w00t | hehe |
| 21:57:32 | kergoth | w00t: we're OT half the time anyway, no one really cares |
| 21:57:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:58:05 | arrrg | when I telnet to my zaurus, I can't su to root |
| 21:58:08 | arrrg | or login as root |
| 21:58:15 | angry | does the 5500 have better battery life than the 5000d? |
| 21:58:17 | arrrg | is there a reason? |
| 21:59:44 | Harlekin | kergoth: how much mem does the 5500 have |
| 21:59:54 | arrrg | 64mb |
| 22:01:21 | kergoth | Harlekin: 64mb. by default 32mb of which is a persistant ramdisk. |
| 22:01:32 | Harlekin | so plenty actally |
| 22:01:45 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:01:51 | Harlekin | how is the oss support |
| 22:01:57 | angry | Harlekin: *gulp* - will this app work with the 5000d's 32 MBs? :-/ |
| 22:02:06 | arrrg | why can't I su |
| 22:02:12 | Harlekin | angry: depends on how much mem is used |
| 22:02:41 | Harlekin | angry: i heard that the 5000 runs out of mem very quick |
| 22:02:48 | angry | Harlekin: sure does :) |
| 22:02:48 | Harlekin | angry: since it only has 16 mb |
| 22:03:13 | angry | Harlekin: would it be possible to run it off of a CF card? |
| 22:03:14 | arrrg | anyone else here telnet to their zaurus? |
| 22:03:28 | Harlekin | angry: the problem is not the size on fs |
| 22:03:33 | Harlekin | angry: its more the size in mem |
| 22:03:34 | Harlekin | right nowe |
| 22:03:46 | angry | oh |
| 22:03:56 | angry | for that matter does tkcVideo work on the 5000d |
| 22:05:10 | Harlekin | angry: will change with time |
| 22:07:03 | Sniper | have you guys seen more new people in this channel? |
| 22:07:06 | Sniper | recently |
| 22:07:13 | Harlekin | no |
| 22:07:20 | Harlekin | /. did not work |
| 22:07:20 | arrrg | I am new |
| 22:07:23 | Cloudchaser | o |
| 22:07:25 | arrrg | sorta |
| 22:07:29 | Cloudchaser | i've seen several new people |
| 22:07:37 | arrrg | I just got a zaurus and need help with it :-D |
| 22:07:52 | Harlekin | arrrg: ask Sniper , he is from sharp |
| 22:07:53 | Harlekin | -) |
| 22:07:57 | SirPsycho-work | the more the merrier =) |
| 22:08:04 | Sniper | hehe.. ok the last developer newsletter mentioned this irc channel |
| 22:08:12 | arrrg | Sniper: you work at sharp? |
| 22:08:21 | Sniper | arrrg : yes |
| 22:08:23 | arrrg | in Mahwah NJ? |
| 22:08:28 | arrrg | (or is it suffern) |
| 22:08:30 | | i heard sniper was a Sharp marketing slave |
| 22:08:30 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 22:08:36 | Sniper | mahwah |
| 22:08:39 | SirPsycho-work | heh |
| 22:08:52 | arrrg | yeah I stopped by there the other day to get an application |
| 22:08:52 | arrrg | :-p |
| 22:08:53 | angry | ahh sniper's back |
| 22:08:54 | SirPsycho-work | my fav is still askin ibot about zaurus |
| 22:08:54 | angry | hehe |
| 22:09:10 | Sniper | arrg: what app? |
| 22:09:15 | arrrg | but I'm still going to school.. just want to set something up for th summer |
| 22:09:22 | arrrg | application for employment |
| 22:09:24 | arrrg | :-P |
| 22:09:29 | arrrg | I got a few phone numbers |
| 22:09:33 | Sniper | arrrg: ohh.. that kind of app |
| 22:09:34 | arrrg | of a switchboard or something |
| 22:09:43 | arrrg | Sniper: can you hire me :-D |
| 22:09:46 | arrrg | as intern :-D |
| 22:09:51 | Sniper | arrrg: do you give good back rubs? |
| 22:10:16 | Sniper | arrrg: what year are you? and what type of internship are you looking for? |
| 22:10:17 | arrrg | umm.. |
| 22:11:00 | arrrg | hmm.. well I just transferred to New Paltz and I am comp. SCI major. Going on 3rd year, but most of my credits didn't transfer |
| 22:11:09 | kergoth`work | im out |
| 22:11:25 | Sniper | arrrg: r u willing to work as an externship (non-paid)? |
| 22:11:28 | treke|ho1e | looks forward to a three day weekend soon :) |
| 22:11:38 | arrrg | I would prefer not to |
| 22:11:55 | arrrg | the only reason I want to work there is because it's close. |
| 22:12:05 | arrrg | I work at Novartis right now, because it's close |
| 22:12:09 | Sniper | arrrg: OH man.. that's not a good reason.. |
| 22:12:19 | arrrg | Sniper: and because I like my zaurus |
| 22:12:24 | arrrg | :-p |
| 22:12:26 | Sniper | arrrg: ok.. i'll take that one.. |
| 22:12:32 | treke|ho1e | good recovery :) |
| 22:12:32 | angry | hehe |
| 22:12:33 | arrrg | and because I like trolltech and qtopia and want to learn |
| 22:12:35 | Sniper | arrrg: novartis in EH? |
| 22:12:41 | angry | arrrg: also because you want another zaurus ;) |
| 22:12:41 | arrrg | Novartis in Suffern |
| 22:12:46 | arrrg | I live in Suffern |
| 22:12:54 | Sniper | arrrg: unfortuntely all our engineering is done in Japan.. only sales and market in Mahwah |
| 22:13:07 | Sniper | arrrg: we really dont do much development here |
| 22:13:52 | arrrg | Sniper: well I am flexible |
| 22:14:16 | Sniper | arrrg: are you looking for an internship during the school year? |
| 22:14:26 | arrrg | Sniper: for next summer |
| 22:14:36 | arrrg | or winter |
| 22:15:00 | arrrg | winter is only like a month or so |
| 22:15:15 | arrrg | I can be onsite tech master.. fixing peoples comps doing backups etc. |
| 22:15:26 | Sniper | arrg: oh man.. ask me 1-1.5 months before you go on break |
| 22:15:29 | arrrg | Thats what I was gonna do at Rational last summer, before they downsized :-( |
| 22:15:55 | arrrg | Sniper: sounds like a plan.. but I would rather be paid than not paid |
| 22:16:05 | arrrg | I have bills to pay. |
| 22:16:19 | Sniper | arrrg: yeah.. but these days everyone is cutting back |
| 22:16:36 | Sniper | arrrg: always the first to go is part time emloyees |
| 22:17:28 | arrrg | Sniper: is there any chance of work for winter break? |
| 22:17:33 | Sniper | arrrg: if you want to work for free DURING the school year. i'll go to bat for you (and depending on your resume).. |
| 22:17:48 | Sniper | arrg: otherwise it's a stretch.. |
| 22:17:58 | Sniper | Sharp is cheap |
| 22:18:04 | arrrg | well, I am gonna be at school in New Paltz |
| 22:18:19 | Sniper | where is new paltz? whats the name of the school? |
| 22:18:24 | arrrg | It's in NY |
| 22:18:37 | | contest is, like, http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 22:18:37 | Sniper | ibot contest |
| 22:18:41 | arrrg | thats about 50 minutes from exit 14b (suffern, where I live) |
| 22:18:47 | Sniper | oh too far |
| 22:18:51 | arrrg | it's exit 16 |
| 22:18:57 | Sniper | ok.. during thanksgiving time, drop me a line |
| 22:19:25 | arrrg | Sniper: you said depending on my resume... what would sharp be looking for? |
| 22:19:42 | Sniper | it depends who you would report to/what you did.. |
| 22:19:49 | arrrg | oh I see |
| 22:19:57 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:20:39 | Sniper | im gonna run.. see ya |
| 22:20:45 | arrrg | thanks .. bye |
| 22:21:47 | arrrg | now can someone answer my question about telneting to zaurus? why can't I su or log in as root? |
| 22:21:52 | arrrg | please?! |
| 22:21:58 | toolafial | did you try ssh? |
| 22:22:05 | arrrg | nope. |
| 22:22:16 | toolafial | are you running OZ or the sharp rom? |
| 22:22:21 | arrrg | sharp rom |
| 22:22:38 | toolafial | are you on a windows, or linux machine ? |
| 22:22:43 | arrrg | windows |
| 22:23:08 | toolafial | k here's what you do to make your life happy, install the ssh ipk's on the Z, then download putty for windows |
| 22:23:20 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 22:23:20 | kaygee | ibot feed |
| 22:23:20 | toolafial | you have ssh |
| 22:23:22 | arrrg | I have putty heh |
| 22:23:24 | arrrg | nice program |
| 22:23:38 | toolafial | I just ssh into my zaurus and that works great |
| 22:24:11 | toolafial | but I usually run Linux, except when I'm playin a game |
| 22:25:07 | arrrg | well.. how do you connect your zaurus to your linux computer? |
| 22:25:51 | arrrg | thats what I wanted to do previously |
| 22:26:20 | hunger | arrrg: I just use a ethernet card in my Z. |
| 22:26:36 | arrrg | hunger: yeah but that doesn't fit with my grand master plan |
| 22:26:39 | hunger | arrrg: Works fine with all kinds of OSes:-) Just scp stuff over. |
| 22:27:39 | arrrg | my grand master plan is: computer in trunk(or under seat, etc) running vnc server and xmms. |
| 22:28:08 | toolafial | arrrg : I connect using the USB cradle |
| 22:28:22 | toolafial | I guess I had to patch and recompile my kernel |
| 22:28:27 | toolafial | but that's a different story |
| 22:28:28 | arrrg | yeah? |
| 22:28:40 | arrrg | for what? usb? |
| 22:28:59 | toolafial | yea, using the usbdnet patch |
| 22:29:05 | | hmmm... howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 22:29:05 | toolafial | ibot howtos |
| 22:29:20 | arrrg | is ther no module? |
| 22:29:29 | toolafial | see the link on tcp/ip over USB |
| 22:29:39 | toolafial | arrrg : what distro are you using? |
| 22:29:45 | arrrg | mandrake 8.2 |
| 22:29:58 | angry | burps |
| 22:29:59 | toolafial | oooh sorry can't help you there, I have a module for caldera and suse |
| 22:30:12 | toolafial | see that howto |
| 22:30:41 | toolafial | In fact if I remember right you don't need to patch and recompile on mandrake... |
| 22:30:51 | arrrg | yeah didn't think soo |
| 22:31:08 | arrrg | No patch is needed at all. The usbdnet driver is already installed. |
| 22:31:13 | arrrg | thats a quote from it |
| 22:31:22 | toolafial | well then there you go ... |
| 22:32:11 | arrrg | ahh.. free of windows cuntputer |
| 22:32:25 | arrrg | I hate that thing.. not only cuz it's windows but because it's loud |
| 22:32:30 | arrrg | even though it's faster |
| 22:39:03 | Cam__ | damn... I need some kylie videos so I can have tkcKylie |
| 22:46:51 | endr | my zaurus has been lying about the battery status for two days now -- even when AC power is disconnected, the battery status montior (and apm) say "charging"...anyone have any pointers as google hasn't been helpful |
| 22:47:30 | Harlekin | endr: look like you have a magical selfrecharging device |
| 22:48:37 | endr | clearly of course I've rebooted and even installed some apm tools... |
| 22:53:25 | | dmallor was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 8 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: wmp12 [Thu Aug 1 20:44:49 2002] |
| 22:53:25 | hogger | ibot seen dmallor |
| 22:54:24 | toolafial | endr : have you backed up and re-installed? |
| 23:01:45 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 23:06:19 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 23:11:24 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 23:11:29 | jbwiv | 'lo all |
| 23:11:29 | Cloudchaser | hmm everyone's sleeping |
| 23:11:32 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 23:11:51 | Cloudchaser | heya jm :) |
| 23:14:21 | jbwiv | hey...trying to build a simple test app with tmake. It generates the Makefile fine, but when running make I run into problems. Say I've created a form called form1 with Qtdesigner. I then create the main.cpp with qtdesigner...save the project, run tmake and then run make. Make craps out because it can't find form1.h. All I show in the project directory is form1.ui.h. I'm assuming Qtdesigner does some magic and generates form1.h, but not sur |
| 23:14:21 | jbwiv | e. Anyway, is there a config value I need to add to my .pro file or something? thanks! |
| 23:17:31 | jbwiv | man...it's quiet in here :) |
| 23:17:56 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah it is.. |
| 23:18:05 | msmax | jbwiv: uh... ;).. you add your form as INTERFACES += yourform.ui |
| 23:18:05 | Cloudchaser | and i can't help you with your problem, i'm afraid :( |
| 23:20:26 | jbwiv | msmax: hmmm...that seemed to do it, although now the form1.h is being generated as an empty file and it's crapping out because it can't find a definition of the Form1 class (precisely because the .h file is empty, I'm assuming:)) |
| 23:25:06 | Oriumpor | BigBoss: /. eh? |
| 23:34:23 | jmhodges | heya Cloudchaser |
| 23:40:14 | Cloudchaser | hiya jm! |
| 23:40:25 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:40:39 | jmhodges | very few ever complete my name :) |
| 23:46:46 | Cloudchaser | well..jm is like first name.. hodges last name :) |
| 23:46:54 | Cloudchaser | like.. hiya john smith |
| 23:46:59 | Cloudchaser | or hiya john |
| 23:52:06 | jmhodges | hehehee |
| 23:52:25 | wildwildwes | is there a fix for the mmc problem when suspending? |
| 23:52:32 | jmhodges | im just glad xchat has a "highlight on: " setting |
| 23:52:35 | wildwildwes | re-inserting it is going to get real annoying |
