| 00:00:39 | cxm | BigBoss I just voted with my credit card :) |
| 00:00:53 | cxm | this had better be good - I hardly ever buy s/w |
| 00:01:01 | WhiteHat | BigBoss: ok ok. I had my Credit card already prepared anyway |
| 00:01:10 | BigBoss | cxm: I think you will like it |
| 00:02:08 | WhiteHat | BigBoss: eheh... I was trying to trade actually.... :p |
| 00:02:46 | WhiteHat | one could call it warez... :pp |
| 00:03:13 | WhiteHat | but that doesn't help software improvement I understand :] |
| 00:03:33 | WhiteHat | that's why my VISA is on it's wat...*argh* |
| 00:03:33 | [George] | man, it's 2:10 |
| 00:03:35 | WhiteHat | way |
| 00:03:37 | treke|home | but then only one of us has to loose money |
| 00:03:39 | msmax | i *like* warez... |
| 00:03:41 | [George] | I'm up past my bedtime =P |
| 00:03:54 | WhiteHat | [George]: cool. we're on the same timezone |
| 00:04:06 | [George] | WhiteHat: GMT + 1 |
| 00:04:12 | [George] | WhiteHat: Or is it GMT -1? |
| 00:04:21 | WhiteHat | GMT0 |
| 00:04:23 | WhiteHat | ? |
| 00:04:39 | [George] | I dunno :) |
| 00:04:42 | WhiteHat | eheh |
| 00:04:44 | [George] | I'm just, stupid |
| 00:04:45 | [George] | =P |
| 00:04:47 | WhiteHat | lol |
| 00:04:52 | WhiteHat | go to sleep :) |
| 00:05:11 | msmax | sleep? 5:10 Am.. alreadu need up ;) |
| 00:05:14 | WhiteHat | *snif*snif* |
| 00:05:23 | WhiteHat | there goes my visa number... |
| 00:05:29 | WhiteHat | I hate to do this ! |
| 00:05:33 | [George] | WhiteHat: hmm? |
| 00:05:50 | BigBoss | come on baby, now I can buy some stuff from Amazon :) |
| 00:06:05 | WhiteHat | BigBoss: eheh... btw |
| 00:06:12 | WhiteHat | who wrote tkcExplore ? |
| 00:06:21 | WhiteHat | I really miss a beam button there ! |
| 00:06:23 | BigBoss | msmax wrote it |
| 00:06:28 | msmax | may be tkcExplorer? |
| 00:06:28 | WhiteHat | oh. excellent ! |
| 00:06:29 | BigBoss | what are you going to beam? files? |
| 00:06:37 | WhiteHat | msmax: that |
| 00:06:43 | WhiteHat | BigBoss: what else ?! |
| 00:06:45 | [George] | my eyes... |
| 00:06:50 | [George] | They're getting... |
| 00:06:51 | [George] | ugh |
| 00:06:53 | WhiteHat | pringles ? |
| 00:06:55 | [George] | blurry... |
| 00:06:56 | br33zy | messed up |
| 00:06:59 | br33zy | oh.. |
| 00:07:06 | br33zy | the wisky |
| 00:07:20 | zecke | msmax beaming is quite easy to implement |
| 00:07:36 | [George] | br33zy: ? |
| 00:07:40 | zecke | msmax look at the ir.h in qpe/library |
| 00:08:01 | WhiteHat | yeah. I was on vacation without my craddle or other way to connect Z to my laptop ... |
| 00:08:05 | WhiteHat | only IrDA |
| 00:08:24 | msmax | beaming files? hmm.. interesting... t like i need second z then ;) |
| 00:08:32 | WhiteHat | and I got frustrated to use FIle Manager as the only tool to do it |
| 00:08:35 | [George] | msmax: lol |
| 00:08:50 | WhiteHat | msmax: laptop ? |
| 00:09:02 | [George] | msmax: or a laptop with infrared! :) |
| 00:09:05 | [George] | msmax: Go bug BigBoss for his tibook, lol :) |
| 00:09:07 | msmax | no.. only z, and 2 PC |
| 00:09:15 | BigBoss | no damn way |
| 00:09:16 | BigBoss | :) |
| 00:09:22 | zecke | hehe |
| 00:09:30 | WhiteHat | msmax: you can always use a cheap irda dongle |
| 00:09:36 | WhiteHat | -I guess- |
| 00:09:53 | [George] | BigBoss: go on! :) |
| 00:09:58 | jbwiv | ot: anyone know of a good basic electricity reference online? |
| 00:10:01 | WhiteHat | bu really... it would be 5 stars if it had beam support |
| 00:10:28 | [George] | jbwiv: hmm? |
| 00:10:37 | WhiteHat | tkc ppl... the next thing would be an AvantGo clone :) |
| 00:11:21 | [George] | what's a zlotnik? |
| 00:11:25 | WhiteHat | well. got to go |
| 00:11:31 | jbwiv | [George]: basic electricity...equations, ohm's law, Kirchhoff's laws, things like that |
| 00:11:35 | WhiteHat | cya |
| 00:11:44 | codemnky | any perl guru's here |
| 00:11:47 | cxm | wehey, just ftping stuff to my Z now |
| 00:11:53 | cxm | codemnky I do perl |
| 00:11:58 | jbwiv | back on doc formats: anyone know of anything that will read tomeraider files on the Z? |
| 00:12:00 | [George] | jbwiv: uhhh #Science? |
| 00:12:04 | codemnky | $v is numeric |
| 00:12:10 | codemnky | i need to sort by $v |
| 00:12:12 | codemnky | while(($k, $v) = each %partner) { |
| 00:12:12 | codemnky | print "$k, $v\n"; |
| 00:12:12 | codemnky | } |
| 00:12:14 | jbwiv | [George]: looking for website... |
| 00:12:25 | jbwiv | thanks tho |
| 00:12:45 | [George] | jbwiv: no no no |
| 00:12:52 | [George] | jbwiv: I was stating that it's off topic in here |
| 00:13:17 | jbwiv | [George]: note my "ot:" at the beginning of the question :) |
| 00:13:45 | [George] | oh right |
| 00:14:07 | jbwiv | anyway, back to Z stuff. Anyone able to read tome raider files on the Z? |
| 00:15:06 | cxm | codemnky that's a tricky one |
| 00:15:18 | cxm | are the $v unique? |
| 00:16:46 | codemnky | :) |
| 00:16:54 | codemnky | i know i need <=> somewhere |
| 00:17:24 | jbwiv | woops. I just crashed the handango site |
| 00:17:27 | jbwiv | hehe |
| 00:17:56 | warmi | re |
| 00:19:05 | codemnky | @eldest = sort { $age{$b} <=> $age{$a} } keys %age; |
| 00:19:06 | codemnky | ah |
| 00:19:15 | codemnky | perldoc -f sort |
| 00:19:20 | codemnky | sorry Z fans |
| 00:20:09 | cxm | This is the long safe way: for my $k (sort {$partner{$a} <=> $partner{$b} } keys %partner){ ... |
| 00:20:14 | cxm | (I think) |
| 00:21:20 | cranch_ | http://www.handango.com/sharp/home.jsp?catalog=80&platformId=9&siteId=423&zsortParams=true |
| 00:21:22 | cranch_ | works for me |
| 00:24:13 | [George] | I gtg |
| 00:24:14 | [DrEvil] | where is kergoth |
| 00:24:18 | [George] | have fun all |
| 00:25:05 | cxm | Yay, I'm gonna blow the Palm users out of the water with tkcVideo tomorrow |
| 00:25:30 | warmi | cxm: man .. this "teen_undress" in the screenshot is rather funny |
| 00:25:45 | cxm | yeah I noticed that |
| 00:25:51 | [DrEvil] | has anyone tried to play files over nfs with tkcVideo? |
| 00:26:55 | cxm | aww, playback is a bit jerky from MMC card |
| 00:26:59 | cxm | I wonder if it' |
| 00:27:04 | cxm | s better from CF |
| 00:27:29 | warmi | most likely will |
| 00:27:35 | warmi | SD/MMC are both slow like crap |
| 00:27:47 | Egad | Is it just me, or does cvs not grok symlinks? |
| 00:27:55 | warmi | I have noticed my CF card being much faster than SD |
| 00:29:47 | cxm | yes - much better from CF. flawless |
| 00:29:49 | cranch_ | warmi...undress... |
| 00:29:59 | cxm | MMC/SD is second rate |
| 00:30:01 | cranch_ | ? |
| 00:30:17 | cranch_ | it takes a while to transfer 3 megs over IR |
| 00:31:27 | cranch_ | BigBoss: you here? |
| 00:33:03 | msmax | cranch_: any questions? |
| 00:33:39 | cranch_ | well... |
| 00:33:47 | cranch_ | I transferred a movie onto my CF card... |
| 00:33:57 | cranch_ | under SharpROM in the Documents tab, I click the video |
| 00:34:05 | warmi | msmax: you wrote tckPLayer ? |
| 00:34:15 | msmax | only UI part |
| 00:34:19 | cranch_ | it launches tkcVideo, the splash screen shoes, and then it returns to the documents screen and no tkcVideo part is up |
| 00:35:03 | cranch_ | tkc should right a skinning application for SharpROM |
| 00:35:11 | cranch_ | to use Liquid and etc themes |
| 00:35:51 | cxm | msmax nice app - v impressive |
| 00:35:55 | cranch_ | I agree |
| 00:35:57 | msmax | you don't like current WinXP theme? |
| 00:36:03 | Cloudchaser | cranch: there might not be mime type for the movies? |
| 00:36:19 | Cloudchaser | try running them from tkcvideo |
| 00:36:24 | cranch_ | true...the player starts though.... |
| 00:36:32 | cranch_ | they play fine IN tkcVideo |
| 00:36:39 | cranch_ | just wondering if I was doinig something wrong |
| 00:36:42 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 00:36:45 | cranch_ | its not a flaw in the pgoram I'd assume |
| 00:36:50 | cranch_ | pgoram |
| 00:36:52 | cranch_ | thats a new one |
| 00:37:08 | Cloudchaser | how'd you transfer it? |
| 00:37:18 | Cloudchaser | qtopia? |
| 00:37:21 | cranch_ | to my Z? |
| 00:37:24 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 00:37:25 | cranch_ | yeah |
| 00:37:31 | cranch_ | I was thinking you meant the movie |
| 00:37:31 | Cloudchaser | qtopia botches lot of stuff |
| 00:37:34 | cranch_ | :) |
| 00:37:48 | Cloudchaser | in linux it treats ogg and mp3 as octet-streams |
| 00:37:58 | cranch_ | hehe |
| 00:38:03 | Cloudchaser | and in windows i had to add ogg to qtopia desktop |
| 00:38:11 | Cloudchaser | figured same might happen with the vid viles |
| 00:38:22 | Cloudchaser | viles=files |
| 00:38:26 | ljp | think my cat only loves me cause it give it free food? |
| 00:38:45 | Cloudchaser | ljp: nah |
| 00:38:51 | Cloudchaser | you prolly pet her too :) |
| 00:39:11 | Cloudchaser | but the free food helps ;) |
| 00:39:20 | ljp | I should not feed her and see if she still hangs around ;) |
| 00:39:26 | cranch_ | winamp3 sucks hog |
| 00:42:42 | angry | back |
| 00:43:13 | codemnky | back |
| 00:43:26 | cranch_ | where was everyone |
| 00:43:32 | angry | i was out all day |
| 00:43:36 | codemnky | my house |
| 00:43:38 | msmax | back;) |
| 00:43:39 | codemnky | big party |
| 00:43:53 | codemnky | kergoth is drunk passed out in the corner |
| 00:44:20 | codemnky | with whardier |
| 00:44:55 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 00:45:39 | ljp | that'd be weird walking on your toes always |
| 00:45:43 | [DrEvil] | but I need kergoth |
| 00:46:01 | jmhodges | lol |
| 00:46:38 | [DrEvil] | he needs to tell me about @·@@·@h -e/bin/bash: dpkg-architecture: command not found |
| 00:47:03 | jmhodges | yowza |
| 00:47:16 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 44 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: heh [Tue Jul 30 23:02:59 2002] |
| 00:47:16 | cranch_ | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 00:47:42 | codemnky | passed out in the corner |
| 00:47:54 | jmhodges | yep |
| 00:48:01 | jmhodges | nudges kergoth with his foot |
| 00:48:20 | jmhodges | too many long island iced teas |
| 00:48:26 | cranch_ | haha |
| 00:48:36 | Cloudchaser | sugar make kergoth another Long Island Ice Tea |
| 00:48:36 | cranch_ | thats tomorrow night... |
| 00:48:46 | [DrEvil] | it is amazing |
| 00:48:49 | jmhodges | hehe Cloudchaser, cranch |
| 00:48:50 | cranch_ | Long Island Iced Tea night at Ground Round |
| 00:48:55 | jmhodges | lol |
| 00:48:56 | Cloudchaser | Sugar make kergoth Long Island Ice Tea |
| 00:48:56 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 00:48:59 | [DrEvil] | the minute I start to spray paint something, some bug lands on my work |
| 00:49:06 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: ouch |
| 00:49:08 | jmhodges | hehehehe |
| 00:49:11 | codemnky | heh |
| 00:49:24 | [DrEvil] | and it isn't the type of bug you can remove in one piece |
| 00:49:25 | cranch_ | Sugar make cranch a black russian |
| 00:49:25 | Sugar | pours vodka and coffee liqueur over ice cubes in an old-fashioned glass and serves it to cranch. |
| 00:49:30 | cranch_ | haha |
| 00:49:33 | cranch_ | sweet |
| 00:49:45 | cranch_ | sugar make cranch nuts and berries |
| 00:49:46 | Cloudchaser | hey how do you teach sugar how to make a drink? |
| 00:49:52 | codemnky | sugar make me a whiskey sour |
| 00:49:53 | Sugar | shakes juice of half a lemon, powdered sugar, blended whiskey and ice, strains it into a sour glass then decorates with a 1/2 slice of lemon and a cherry and serves it to codemnky. |
| 00:50:01 | codemnky | nice! |
| 00:50:02 | cranch_ | nice |
| 00:50:03 | cranch_ | haha |
| 00:50:04 | Cloudchaser | she doesn't know how to make Mudslides! |
| 00:50:20 | cranch_ | Sugar make Cloudchaser a carbomb |
| 00:50:25 | cranch_ | haha |
| 00:50:32 | cranch_ | Sugar make Cloudchaser an Irish Carbomb |
| 00:50:36 | cranch_ | damn |
| 00:51:25 | jmhodges | wants to uninstall hotplugging but cannot find a way to do that |
| 00:52:41 | jmhodges | argh |
| 00:52:44 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 00:52:58 | jmhodges | so.. |
| 00:53:02 | jmhodges | ... |
| 00:53:04 | jmhodges | quiet |
| 00:53:07 | angry | sugar make cranch_ a Coke Carbomb |
| 00:53:07 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of Coke Carbomb, pours it into a glass, which she hands cranch_. |
| 00:53:15 | angry | smart, conceiled in the glass |
| 00:53:21 | cranch_ | haha |
| 00:53:23 | cranch_ | nice |
| 00:53:40 | cranch_ | Sugar make angry sex with an alligator |
| 00:53:42 | cranch_ | haha |
| 00:53:42 | Sugar | Yeah right, luser! |
| 00:53:49 | angry | lol |
| 00:53:54 | cranch_ | Damn goofy benagins drinks |
| 00:53:58 | angry | sugar, sex with ibot |
| 00:53:59 | scanline | w00t! Finally got me a 5500 and a SMC wireless card |
| 00:54:08 | cranch_ | WOOHOOO scanline |
| 00:54:11 | cranch_ | how much for the SMC |
| 00:54:36 | scanline | cranch: $120 I think |
| 00:54:48 | | challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 00:54:48 | angry | ibot challenge |
| 00:55:04 | tux_mike | ok... ldap is being evil to me |
| 00:56:17 | | i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 00:56:17 | cranch_ | ibot: zsi |
| 00:56:38 | | cranch_: sorry... |
| 00:56:38 | cranch_ | ibot manages my links for me :) |
| 00:56:44 | cranch_ | don't be sorry ibot |
| 00:57:16 | angry | who the hell made the zaurus commercial |
| 00:57:55 | BigBoss | I did, with 3 angry monkeys |
| 00:58:12 | angry | lol |
| 00:58:31 | cranch_ | BigBoss: were you making an IMAP email client>? |
| 00:58:39 | | hmmm... tkc is at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 00:58:39 | cranch_ | ibot: tkc |
| 00:58:54 | BigBoss | cranch: yes, it is in beta2 right now |
| 00:59:03 | BigBoss | going a bit slower than we like, but it's picking up pace now |
| 00:59:04 | angry | they spent too much time showing the people walking and not enough showing the OS and how the keyboard is awesome |
| 00:59:15 | BigBoss | the lead developer didn't have a Zaurus till today, so it was tough testing |
| 00:59:23 | cranch_ | haha |
| 00:59:54 | scanline | oh no! the 5500 doesn't come with a terminal app! |
| 01:00:03 | scanline | just exits Qtopia instead |
| 01:00:18 | cranch_ | BigBoss: requests for new apps --> a theme program to change the look of the Z..add wallpapers, etc | a Finance Program that will be able to use Money and Quicken files |
| 01:00:23 | cranch_ | I'm sure I can come up with more |
| 01:00:37 | cranch_ | or does tkcKaptial have support for that stuff now |
| 01:00:38 | Cloudchaser | scanline: |
| 01:00:41 | Cloudchaser | its on cd |
| 01:00:50 | Cloudchaser | or get embedded-konsole from zz feed |
| 01:01:08 | cranch_ | embedded-konsole works on the SharpROM..correct? |
| 01:01:11 | scanline | bah.. I'll just upgrade to OZ |
| 01:01:32 | | hmmm... openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 01:01:32 | cranch_ | ibot: openzaurus |
| 01:02:05 | scanline | already knows how to get OZ... |
| 01:02:34 | cranch_ | I was doing that for myself ;) |
| 01:02:46 | jmhodges | heh |
| 01:02:55 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:03:05 | cranch_ | all Opie apps work on the SharpROM correct? |
| 01:03:48 | scanline | Is there any way to move scroll bars to the left side of the screen? |
| 01:03:57 | angry | yeah |
| 01:03:58 | ljp | cranch: they should |
| 01:04:00 | angry | im left handed too |
| 01:04:01 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 01:04:08 | [DrEvil] | don't install oipkg on the sharp rom |
| 01:04:12 | [DrEvil] | you will be sorry |
| 01:04:14 | ljp | cranch: some functionality might be missing tho |
| 01:04:28 | scanline | angry: how |
| 01:04:41 | cranch_ | I just mean packages... |
| 01:04:46 | cranch_ | like embedded-konsole |
| 01:04:50 | angry | lol, on the tkcVideo screenshot |
| 01:04:58 | angry | the videos listed above z2 |
| 01:05:02 | angry | "teens_undress" |
| 01:05:07 | angry | "xXx_DivX" |
| 01:05:10 | angry | lol |
| 01:05:10 | | i heard tkc was at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 01:05:10 | cranch_ | ibot: tkc |
| 01:05:10 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 01:05:47 | ljp | cranch: yes, but you may have to also install libopie |
| 01:05:57 | cranch_ | got snuffed on his program ideas by BigBoss |
| 01:06:05 | msmax | angry: xXX_Divx very normal film..;) don'tlike on "teen_undress" ;) |
| 01:07:27 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:07:38 | cranch_ | is it shot7 everyone is talking about |
| 01:08:15 | dj | hello |
| 01:08:36 | angry | shot 5 |
| 01:08:46 | angry | look at the names of the videos listed below the playing video |
| 01:08:48 | cranch_ | haha |
| 01:08:49 | cranch_ | nice |
| 01:08:56 | cranch_ | wants to DL the video |
| 01:08:58 | cranch_ | ;P |
| 01:09:05 | dj | can i get my address book, todo list, ... back into an updated romimage sl-5000? |
| 01:09:12 | prpplague | argh, anyone had problems with some of the include dirs on the lart 2.95.3 toolchain? |
| 01:09:52 | angry | got to see "latina" |
| 01:09:52 | angry | lol |
| 01:09:54 | cranch_ | sync again? |
| 01:10:04 | angry | im happy he didnt choose that to get a screenshot from |
| 01:10:25 | cranch_ | wants latina too...and is thinking angry will DCC it to him |
| 01:10:55 | cranch_ | haha |
| 01:10:57 | cranch_ | j/k |
| 01:11:04 | angry | lol |
| 01:11:39 | angry | :-P |
| 01:11:44 | cranch_ | you better work damnit :) |
| 01:11:47 | cranch_ | NOOOOO |
| 01:11:47 | angry | its like 10 seconds long |
| 01:11:51 | angry | haha |
| 01:11:55 | angry | im behind a firewall |
| 01:11:58 | Tharin | I am trying to install konqueror to my ram then move the bin to my sd card however when I try and 'mv' the konq binary I get an error message...the file does move but it is no longer an executable file... |
| 01:12:00 | cranch_ | me too |
| 01:12:01 | cranch_ | Pix |
| 01:12:18 | angry | i've got a pissy router |
| 01:12:21 | jmhodges | Tharin: chmod +x doesnt wor ? |
| 01:13:07 | Tharin | jmhodges: didn't think of doing that...was hoping to resolve the mv error first.... I'll try it though |
| 01:13:14 | cranch_ | its not my PIX :) |
| 01:13:16 | cranch_ | the schools |
| 01:13:39 | jmhodges | Tharin: doh i understand :/ |
| 01:15:45 | Tharin | jmhodges: the error says 'unable to preserve ownership og '/mnt/card/bin/konqueror': Operation not permitted |
| 01:15:46 | cranch_ | has a party going on in his head |
| 01:15:57 | BigBoss | xXx is that new Vin Diesel movin |
| 01:15:59 | BigBoss | novie |
| 01:16:00 | BigBoss | movie |
| 01:16:02 | jmhodges | interesting.. |
| 01:16:04 | BigBoss | yikes |
| 01:16:08 | jmhodges | yes BigBoss |
| 01:16:33 | cranch_ | Boss...did you see my Software ideas? |
| 01:16:41 | Tharin | jmhodges: chmod didn't work |
| 01:16:49 | cranch_ | Boss: a theme program to change the look of the Z..add wallpapers, etc | a Finance Program that will be able to use Money and Quicken files |
| 01:17:02 | cranch_ | kinda like what Opie has but better and for the Sharp ROMS |
| 01:17:02 | jmhodges | Tharin: ok thats fucked up |
| 01:17:14 | BigBoss | cranch: I've seen the theme one |
| 01:17:17 | jmhodges | Tharin: talk to someone else.. im not a good person to tell this too |
| 01:17:19 | cranch_ | from Opie? |
| 01:17:21 | jmhodges | Tharin: i suck :/ |
| 01:17:21 | angry | Boss: you should try to sell some of your apps to Sharp to incorporate into their ROM |
| 01:17:25 | BigBoss | tkcKapital will import QIF files as soon as we port it over |
| 01:17:25 | cranch_ | I agree |
| 01:17:31 | cranch_ | Sweet... |
| 01:17:33 | Tharin | jmhodges: can't be worse than me |
| 01:17:35 | BigBoss | which Money and Quicken both export |
| 01:17:40 | BigBoss | angry: we tried and we tried |
| 01:17:42 | Tharin | jmhodges thanks for your attention |
| 01:17:43 | jmhodges | Tharin: hehe |
| 01:17:44 | BigBoss | it's like herding cats |
| 01:17:48 | cranch_ | haha |
| 01:17:58 | angry | BigBoss: their included apps suck the big one |
| 01:18:02 | | motd is In Life, i am always logged in as root |
| 01:18:02 | cranch_ | ibot: motd |
| 01:18:19 | angry | BigBoss: if I didnt get any 3rd party apps I wouldnt use my Z at all |
| 01:18:25 | cranch_ | I agree |
| 01:18:27 | | oh Great Googli-Moogli! |
| 01:18:27 | cranch_ | ibot: sharp |
| 01:18:37 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 01:18:38 | | ...but sharp is <reply> oh Great Googli-Moogli!... |
| 01:18:38 | cranch_ | ibot Sharp is like herding cats |
| 01:18:47 | | oh Great Googli-Moogli! |
| 01:18:47 | cranch_ | ibot: sharp |
| 01:18:50 | cranch_ | damn |
| 01:18:50 | jmhodges | cranch_: dont change it |
| 01:18:53 | cranch_ | hehe |
| 01:18:54 | cranch_ | I won't |
| 01:19:02 | jmhodges | :) |
| 01:20:16 | | OK, cranch_. |
| 01:20:16 | cranch_ | ibot: cats is it's like hearding cats |
| 01:20:18 | cranch_ | that won't work |
| 01:20:20 | BigBoss | you know how many times I've heard that our apps have saved the device? |
| 01:20:20 | | hmmm... cats is it's like hearding cats |
| 01:20:20 | cranch_ | ibot: cats |
| 01:20:24 | cranch_ | shat |
| 01:20:26 | BigBoss | you'd think it would get through to someone |
| 01:21:24 | angry | BigBoss: i think they dont want to do anything because most of them want to get fired |
| 01:21:25 | angry | hehe |
| 01:21:40 | cranch_ | how do I change ibot to say it's like hearding cats when I say ibot cats |
| 01:21:54 | | cats is it's like hearding cats |
| 01:21:54 | jmhodges | ibot cats |
| 01:22:03 | | jmhodges: I forgot cats |
| 01:22:03 | jmhodges | ibot forget cats |
| 01:22:17 | | jmhodges: what? |
| 01:22:17 | jmhodges | ibot cats <reply> its like herding cats |
| 01:22:23 | | OK, jmhodges. |
| 01:22:23 | jmhodges | ibot cats is <reply> its like herding cats |
| 01:22:25 | jmhodges | whoops |
| 01:22:26 | | its like herding cats |
| 01:22:26 | jmhodges | ibot cats |
| 01:22:38 | W|GGL|T | guess i'll build libranet's kernel |
| 01:22:43 | W|GGL|T | its a lowly 2.4.3 |
| 01:22:51 | cranch_ | BigBoss: Are you still considering making that desktop app that will compress movies into DivX for the Z |
| 01:22:55 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: what is libra's |
| 01:23:00 | jmhodges | er... |
| 01:23:11 | W|GGL|T | libranet is a spinoff of debian |
| 01:23:21 | W|GGL|T | more user-friendly |
| 01:23:26 | cranch_ | brb |
| 01:23:35 | jmhodges | er.. ok :) |
| 01:23:40 | jmhodges | thats what i was going to ask |
| 01:23:44 | jmhodges | i was trying to remember the word |
| 01:23:49 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:23:52 | jmhodges | :D |
| 01:24:17 | dremspider | Hey does any1 know if a 56k targus modem would work in a zaurus |
| 01:24:18 | dremspider | ? |
| 01:24:18 | jmhodges | rebuilds his kernel again hoping that usbdnet will start working! |
| 01:24:32 | dremspider | I can get on real cheap.... |
| 01:24:34 | BigBoss | cranch: I'm gonna try to find something that exists first and refer people to it |
| 01:25:15 | dremspider | Also I want to know of a good belt case that fits the Zaurus |
| 01:25:32 | dremspider | Any Ideas on either? |
| 01:25:42 | jmhodges | not from me sorry |
| 01:25:59 | dremspider | So how does every1 love their Zaurus |
| 01:26:06 | cranch_ | cool Boss.. |
| 01:26:13 | dremspider | I honestly think this is true love..... |
| 01:26:16 | cranch_ | here is something else I want..an app that will put maps on your Z |
| 01:26:39 | dremspider | I want an app similiar to avantgo.... |
| 01:26:40 | cranch_ | for instance...I'm trekking to Omaha in the next few weeks...and wanted maps from our Hotel to certain locations... |
| 01:26:45 | cranch_ | dremspider |
| 01:26:46 | jmhodges | dremspider: i love it :) i slapped on OZ and am i having a wonderful time with it (and the liquid theme =;) |
| 01:26:47 | dremspider | Does that exist |
| 01:26:50 | cranch_ | www.mazigo.com |
| 01:26:52 | cranch_ | shat |
| 01:26:55 | cranch_ | www.mazingo.com |
| 01:27:11 | cranch_ | damb |
| 01:27:14 | cranch_ | one second |
| 01:27:22 | Cloudchaser | mazingo does mapquest i think |
| 01:27:26 | cranch_ | really? |
| 01:27:28 | W|GGL|T | dremspider: http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 01:27:35 | Cloudchaser | its one of the channel options |
| 01:28:11 | dremspider | mazingo is in Korean |
| 01:28:17 | dremspider | me no read korean |
| 01:28:20 | cranch_ | haha |
| 01:28:24 | Cloudchaser | not of me |
| 01:28:25 | cranch_ | its not in Koeran..I gave you thw rong link |
| 01:28:26 | Cloudchaser | not for me |
| 01:29:31 | cranch_ | http://www.mazingo.net |
| 01:29:33 | cranch_ | there you go |
| 01:29:35 | | cranch_: i'm not following you... |
| 01:29:35 | cranch_ | ibot: mazingo |
| 01:29:42 | | OK, cranch_. |
| 01:29:42 | cranch_ | ibot: mazingo is http://www.mazingo.net |
| 01:29:46 | | somebody said mazingo was http://www.mazingo.net |
| 01:29:46 | cranch_ | ibot: mazingo |
| 01:30:10 | dremspider | that works |
| 01:30:21 | dremspider | bingo |
| 01:31:07 | dremspider | dang I can get videos |
| 01:31:10 | dremspider | !!!!! |
| 01:31:15 | dremspider | That would be awesome |
| 01:31:28 | cranch_ | it costs $4.95 a month for video and audio stuff... |
| 01:31:30 | cranch_ | but still cheap |
| 01:31:46 | cranch_ | do they make screen protectors for the Zaurus |
| 01:31:47 | cranch_ | ? |
| 01:31:50 | Cloudchaser | i think i'm going to do the pay one |
| 01:31:54 | Cloudchaser | haven't yet |
| 01:32:02 | Cloudchaser | tryingout the free stuff first.. just got it last week |
| 01:32:05 | dremspider | The sony clie protectors work great |
| 01:32:06 | cranch_ | me too |
| 01:32:11 | cranch_ | I've got some from my old Ipaq |
| 01:32:37 | dremspider | Any universal cases that are under 30 that fit the zaurus 65 bucks is a lot |
| 01:33:34 | dremspider | That go on your belt..... |
| 01:33:49 | ljp | duct tape works well |
| 01:33:54 | dj-fue | nice man |
| 01:33:59 | dj-fue | sharp |
| 01:34:06 | dremspider | How hard is it to setup oz |
| 01:34:08 | dremspider | ? |
| 01:34:12 | cranch_ | easy |
| 01:34:17 | cranch_ | just put the files on your CF card |
| 01:34:23 | cranch_ | hold C and D, and hit reset |
| 01:34:26 | cranch_ | wait 3 minutes and done |
| 01:34:47 | jmhodges | rename the files first!! |
| 01:34:58 | cranch_ | insert rename files before hold C and D |
| 01:35:02 | oGMo | don't forget to back up |
| 01:35:03 | oGMo | ;) |
| 01:35:06 | jmhodges | dremspider: dont do this if you mind beta software |
| 01:35:21 | dremspider | It runs all ipk files |
| 01:35:30 | dremspider | or do I have to compile all? |
| 01:35:47 | cranch_ | no offense to the OpenZ project, but the SharpROM currently seems faster to me.... |
| 01:35:58 | cranch_ | even when turning on fast loading for the address book and stuf |
| 01:36:00 | cranch_ | still uses ipk |
| 01:36:05 | cranch_ | no recompiling Drem |
| 01:36:12 | jmhodges | bah you still get a ton more space in OZ |
| 01:36:17 | jmhodges | thats what really matters |
| 01:36:22 | jmhodges | :) |
| 01:36:27 | [DrEvil] | you only get like 4 megs at most |
| 01:36:27 | cranch_ | just about everything that works on OpenZ works on the SharpROM and vice versa |
| 01:36:50 | cranch_ | 2 ogg's :) |
| 01:39:29 | cranch_ | peace out peeps...got a test tomorrow morning and then i'm DONE with summe classes |
| 01:39:32 | cranch_ | have a good one all |
| 01:39:34 | | its like herding cats |
| 01:39:34 | cranch_ | ibot: cats |
| 01:40:00 | cranch_ | any way to append an Ibot quote to a saying |
| 01:40:02 | cranch_ | for instance |
| 01:40:16 | cranch_ | I say women: and then get ibot to say its like herding cats..alll one line? |
| 01:40:46 | | okay, EkePoetry. |
| 01:40:46 | EkePoetry | ibot: cats is also all your base are belong to kergoth |
| 01:40:58 | | its like herding cats or all ibot's base are belong to kergoth |
| 01:40:58 | cranch_ | ibot: cats |
| 01:41:12 | cranch_ | haha |
| 01:41:17 | | cranch_: I forgot cats |
| 01:41:17 | cranch_ | ibot: forget cats |
| 01:41:20 | cranch_ | cats |
| 01:41:22 | | cranch_: sorry... |
| 01:41:22 | cranch_ | ibot: cats |
| 01:41:24 | cranch_ | haha |
| 01:41:31 | cranch_ | peace peeps |
| 01:41:41 | | OK, jmhodges. |
| 01:41:41 | jmhodges | ibot cats is <reply> its like herding cats |
| 01:41:45 | jmhodges | whoops! |
| 01:41:47 | jmhodges | sorrry |
| 01:41:54 | | jmhodges: I forgot cats |
| 01:41:54 | jmhodges | ibot forget cats |
| 01:43:27 | jmhodges | ? |
| 01:44:50 | dremspider | NOOOOOOOOOOOO MAzingo charges for wired news..... it was free on avantgo on my PALM |
| 01:44:53 | dremspider | sigh |
| 01:45:39 | jmhodges | you could use QPose |
| 01:45:42 | jmhodges | its a pam emu |
| 01:45:45 | jmhodges | i believe |
| 01:47:15 | W|GG-Libranet | QPose is a whole 'nother bag of worms though |
| 01:47:27 | angry | qpose is phun |
| 01:48:23 | codemnky | grettings |
| 01:48:48 | jmhodges | hey codemnky |
| 01:49:53 | codemnky | what's up |
| 01:50:04 | Tharin | cranch so tell me about mazingo...you watch tv on your z while it is synced with your pc? and you can store the video onto your cf card or what? |
| 01:50:13 | jmhodges | not much |
| 01:50:18 | jmhodges | you? |
| 01:50:30 | jmhodges | oh if you didnt hear i managed to perma kill usbdnet again |
| 01:50:32 | codemnky | fooling around with perl |
| 01:50:32 | jmhodges | :) |
| 01:50:40 | jmhodges | cool what you doing with it? |
| 01:50:55 | codemnky | parsing web logs |
| 01:51:16 | jmhodges | aah |
| 01:51:26 | codemnky | making reports for how many peopl click on "make mycity my home page" each day |
| 01:51:34 | jmhodges | cool codemnky |
| 01:51:45 | codemnky | i need a new hobby |
| 01:52:26 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:52:29 | dremspider | no you dont |
| 01:52:35 | codemnky | i'm tired of sitting in front of the computer |
| 01:52:53 | dremspider | Do all compactflash modems work w/ the zaurus |
| 01:53:00 | jmhodges | codemnky: i know that feeling |
| 01:53:00 | codemnky | here's what i got to say to computers |
| 01:53:03 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/Image001.jpg |
| 01:53:29 | jmhodges | lol again with that pic |
| 01:53:37 | codemnky | :) |
| 01:53:38 | jmhodges | yah im sure you feel that way codemnky ;) |
| 01:53:40 | codemnky | i like that one |
| 01:54:10 | codemnky | replaced 1 |
| 01:54:14 | codemnky | with 2,3,4,5,67,8,9 |
| 01:54:32 | djk-w | Anybody have the Panasonic SD 128MB? I have heard that the Toshiba SD works well |
| 01:55:22 | Tharin | codemnky you need to feed your friken dog |
| 01:55:27 | Tharin | laughs |
| 01:55:34 | jmhodges | hehehe codemnky |
| 01:56:05 | codemnky | heh |
| 01:56:13 | codemnky | she eats like apig |
| 01:56:14 | codemnky | pig |
| 01:56:19 | codemnky | greyhound |
| 01:56:25 | codemnky | they're built that way |
| 01:56:38 | codemnky | mini greyhound |
| 01:56:42 | jmhodges | hehehehe |
| 01:56:59 | codemnky | italian greyhound they are called |
| 01:57:05 | codemnky | she's funny |
| 01:57:12 | codemnky | i taught her a new trick |
| 01:57:19 | codemnky | called, "protect" |
| 01:57:27 | dj | how do i get my backed-up address book back into a flashed (1.38) 5000? |
| 01:57:34 | TrekCycling | anyone bought tkcVideo yet? |
| 01:57:36 | TrekCycling | it's out |
| 01:57:46 | codemnky | she runs out of the house yelling and screaming and barking |
| 01:58:08 | angry | TrekCycling: if you want to know if it comes with the porno listed in the screenshots, the answer is maybe |
| 01:58:19 | jmhodges | hehe codemnky |
| 01:58:22 | TrekCycling | no |
| 01:58:26 | TrekCycling | :-) |
| 01:58:29 | jmhodges | how the hell did you do that codemnky? |
| 01:58:34 | TrekCycling | I'm just curious if it's any good |
| 01:58:38 | TrekCycling | it looks pretty cool |
| 01:58:41 | [DrEvil] | l00ks around for kergoth |
| 01:58:55 | codemnky | she kinda picked it up on her own and i just encouranged her |
| 01:59:03 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:59:25 | jmhodges | how did you make her tell that you wnated her to do it when you said protect? |
| 02:00:04 | codemnky | there was this cat that would hang out in front of the house |
| 02:00:27 | codemnky | i would go to the door and get all excited about opening the door |
| 02:00:29 | TrekCycling | 's cats run around the house with his stuffed Tux. |
| 02:00:45 | jmhodges | hehe codemnky |
| 02:00:49 | jmhodges | TrekCycling: hehee |
| 02:00:51 | codemnky | then when i did she'd run out barking |
| 02:00:58 | jmhodges | TrekCycling: where did you get a stuffed tux? |
| 02:01:01 | codemnky | not she does "does it" |
| 02:01:01 | jmhodges | lol codemnky |
| 02:01:08 | TrekCycling | I find it downstairs everyday. Damn cats |
| 02:01:21 | TrekCycling | My wife got it at a trade show. I think from Penguin Computing. |
| 02:01:28 | codemnky | she thinks it a joke, my wife hates it |
| 02:01:35 | TrekCycling | I have 3, actually. That one, plus 2 littles ones I got at Frys |
| 02:01:36 | codemnky | thinks i'm making her mean |
| 02:01:40 | jmhodges | lol codemnky |
| 02:01:41 | codemnky | you saw her |
| 02:01:48 | codemnky | how could that be mean? |
| 02:01:49 | jmhodges | oh yaaaah reaaaal mean looking |
| 02:01:57 | codemnky | what's even funnier |
| 02:02:08 | jmhodges | TrekCycling: dammit i wnat one! :D |
| 02:02:18 | codemnky | now she will growel at the neighbor kids that walk on our grass |
| 02:02:24 | codemnky | oops |
| 02:02:27 | jmhodges | well.. thats not so good |
| 02:02:32 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 02:02:54 | [DrEvil] | can someone tell me what package dpkg-architecture is in? |
| 02:05:39 | TrekCycling | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/fun-stuff/288e.shtml |
| 02:05:41 | TrekCycling | there's one |
| 02:05:45 | codemnky | http://melissa.mycity.com |
| 02:06:02 | dj | linuxmall has a 36" tux for 59.95 |
| 02:06:28 | jmhodges | heh TrekCycling. |
| 02:06:35 | dj | tell your cat to get that one! |
| 02:06:40 | jmhodges | hm.. i would like a more 'tux' penguin though.. |
| 02:06:57 | jmhodges | aaaaaw codemnky |
| 02:07:08 | TrekCycling | yeah, the one I have looks JUST like the logo |
| 02:07:44 | codemnky | that's before she was a killer |
| 02:07:50 | dremspider | Man there is a lot more software than I ever imagined for the Zaurus |
| 02:07:52 | jmhodges | lol codemnky |
| 02:07:57 | jmhodges | dremspider: tons |
| 02:08:07 | TrekCycling | dremspider: yep! |
| 02:08:09 | dj | if you do a backup and then flash, how do i restore say the address book? |
| 02:08:17 | TrekCycling | good software too. |
| 02:08:20 | dremspider | Any1 know of a good C++ ide w/ color that is free |
| 02:08:26 | jmhodges | excellent software |
| 02:08:34 | TrekCycling | Not, 40 ways to close apps because Microsoft didn't include that functionality |
| 02:08:39 | jmhodges | wish he could find/take the time to compile an ogg app |
| 02:08:53 | jmhodges | (free ogg app, no credit card on me :?( |
| 02:08:53 | dremspider | I dont feel like ordering tkceditor |
| 02:09:06 | TrekCycling | tkcEditor is nice, though. |
| 02:09:11 | dremspider | same here I dont have a credit card |
| 02:09:34 | dremspider | Well I cant order it, and I never saw it at a retail store |
| 02:10:02 | dremspider | Plus it has kbill!!! |
| 02:10:08 | jmhodges | yep :) |
| 02:10:10 | dremspider | That in itself is worth it |
| 02:11:01 | dremspider | any1 know of another popular PDA with the same dimensions as the zaurus |
| 02:11:06 | dremspider | So I can get a case |
| 02:11:12 | TrekCycling | jmhodges: maybe this one? - http://www.linuxmall.com/shop/03950?cat=ROOT:MERCHAND:COOLSTUFF&sort=2&vid=&Start= |
| 02:11:30 | BigBoss | we don't sell our embedded software at stores |
| 02:11:47 | jmhodges | hehe its the same one TrekCycling.. though that mug might come in handy in the dorms.. |
| 02:12:08 | dremspider | anyway I can get tkcediter for free..... |
| 02:12:15 | TrekCycling | http://www.rhinoskin.com/perl-bin/safe-shop?std-31631-13 |
| 02:12:19 | TrekCycling | that's a REALLY good case. |
| 02:12:23 | dremspider | Not ilegally of case |
| 02:12:25 | TrekCycling | fits my Z perfectly |
| 02:12:31 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:12:41 | TrekCycling | only $15 at Frys |
| 02:12:51 | dremspider | No frys near us |
| 02:12:53 | jmhodges | whoa.. does it have a money slot? |
| 02:12:57 | dremspider | I am in PA |
| 02:12:58 | jmhodges | no frys near me :/ |
| 02:13:05 | BigBoss | dremspider: how are you getting it for free? |
| 02:13:14 | TrekCycling | okay, here is the one I have, I think - http://www.linuxmall.com/shop/00780 |
| 02:13:45 | dremspider | I dunno..... |
| 02:13:55 | dremspider | I need it but am w/o a credit card |
| 02:14:07 | jmhodges | ooo better.. i think.. im beginning to forget what they all look like.. :) thanks a otn TrekCycling |
| 02:14:45 | BigBoss | dremspider: Ah, well you said you could get it for free |
| 02:14:58 | dremspider | you are saying that the rhinoskins case fits |
| 02:15:10 | dremspider | I said can I get it for free somewhere |
| 02:15:25 | TrekCycling | yeah, that particular rhinoskin fits REALLY well |
| 02:15:29 | TrekCycling | a little too big, even |
| 02:15:42 | TrekCycling | I go ahead and put a couple cards in it |
| 02:16:01 | TrekCycling | too big in terms of depth |
| 02:16:07 | dremspider | so the PAlm III was bigger than |
| 02:16:09 | TrekCycling | it's just the right size in terms of length. |
| 02:16:11 | BigBoss | dremspider: I'm the President of theKompany, so I really hope you are joking about stealing our software |
| 02:16:16 | dremspider | the Zaurus |
| 02:16:29 | dremspider | No I am saying that if I can do something... fo it |
| 02:16:42 | dremspider | I said not illegally of course.... |
| 02:16:48 | dremspider | You saw it.... |
| 02:16:58 | dremspider | I have NO WAY of GETTING IT.... |
| 02:17:13 | dremspider | Any retailers that have it> |
| 02:17:14 | dremspider | ? |
| 02:17:20 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: why didn't you answer my question about tkcVideo, then? :-) |
| 02:17:37 | BigBoss | TrekCycling: probably because I'm in and out and missed it - what is your question? |
| 02:17:46 | TrekCycling | as soon as my wife gets home from the movies, I'm going to beg for the $15 on our credit card unless someone tells me it just doesn't work. |
| 02:17:54 | BigBoss | dremspider: go through the order process to get a total amount, print that page out and send it with a check to us |
| 02:17:55 | dremspider | How can I get it w/o a credit card |
| 02:17:59 | dj | when i got my Z-D @ Linuxworld NY, they gave you a previous Zaurus case for free. It fits like a glove. |
| 02:18:03 | TrekCycling | I just mentioned I saw it was for sale and wondered if it was good, fast. |
| 02:18:12 | dremspider | no check either |
| 02:18:14 | dremspider | I am 17 |
| 02:18:15 | dj | try and find an original zaurus case |
| 02:18:34 | BigBoss | TrekCycling: so far all the customers like it |
| 02:18:43 | BigBoss | dremspider: ask your parents to pay for it and give them cash |
| 02:18:51 | TrekCycling | is it as fast (or close) as tkcPlayer for regular MP3 playing? |
| 02:18:58 | dremspider | Yeah easier said than done.... |
| 02:19:00 | TrekCycling | can it be used as an MP3 Player? |
| 02:19:11 | BigBoss | TrekCycling: no - was that your email about it? I responded |
| 02:19:15 | dremspider | I need a retailer... |
| 02:19:22 | TrekCycling | that wasn't me. |
| 02:19:26 | TrekCycling | I didn't email. |
| 02:19:27 | dremspider | you need to get it at staples.... |
| 02:19:28 | BigBoss | tkcPlayer does ogg *and* mp3, not just ogg |
| 02:19:32 | dremspider | I work there |
| 02:19:39 | BigBoss | dremspider: let me tell you how that works |
| 02:20:02 | BigBoss | pay them $30,000 to test market your apps in select stores, if it does well then they will take the 30k out of whatyou make, if it doesn't, you are out 30k |
| 02:20:15 | TrekCycling | does tkcVideo do Mp3 well, though? I don't care about ogg. I have 10 GB in Mp3s so I won't be converting anytime soon. it took forever to rip all those discs. |
| 02:20:21 | BigBoss | if you can't get a check and can't get a CC, then I can't do much to help you |
| 02:20:27 | dremspider | If it was at Staples.... I could pay for it there... |
| 02:20:35 | dremspider | Oh wow, that is a lot...... |
| 02:20:37 | dremspider | hmmmm... |
| 02:20:49 | BigBoss | tkcVideo is a video player, it supports mp3 as the audio track but is not an audio player, you need tkcPlayer for that |
| 02:20:53 | dj | get a CC, it's easy and fast |
| 02:20:59 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: thanks. |
| 02:21:24 | TrekCycling | I'm trying to figure out which to buy. |
| 02:21:46 | TrekCycling | Maybe I need both. :-) |
| 02:21:59 | dremspider | When is theKompany gonna be coming out with a bundle, like an all in one thing of all the software for a discounted price, if you would buy them all seperate |
| 02:22:28 | dremspider | Or do they already have one.... |
| 02:22:29 | dj | they do, go to myzaurus.com |
| 02:22:46 | BigBoss | buy it from us |
| 02:22:54 | BigBoss | there is a bulk discount based on number of products |
| 02:22:57 | dremspider | Also are you guys affiliated w/ hancom office |
| 02:23:02 | BigBoss | 10+ products is 30% discount |
| 02:23:14 | BigBoss | we use to have an actual bundle but people kept bitching that they wanted different configurations |
| 02:23:17 | BigBoss | dremspider: we use to be |
| 02:23:38 | dremspider | now you are seperate? |
| 02:23:42 | dremspider | In what ways? |
| 02:24:30 | BigBoss | in ways that involve me filing multiple lawsuits against them for breech of contract |
| 02:24:43 | dremspider | Are they taking the desktop side of things, and you guys have the PDAs |
| 02:24:48 | dremspider | Oh my....... |
| 02:25:09 | TrekCycling | Hancom does pda too |
| 02:25:14 | TrekCycling | that's where office comes from |
| 02:25:23 | TrekCycling | the pocket version |
| 02:25:46 | BigBoss | too bad most people don't like their pocket versions |
| 02:26:01 | TrekCycling | I like Word fine, personally. |
| 02:26:12 | TrekCycling | I just don't have any need for the Spreadsheet or Presenter |
| 02:26:29 | dremspider | How were you involved.... I was of the impression that you guys were just a renamed american division |
| 02:26:38 | dremspider | I was obviously wrong. |
| 02:26:39 | BigBoss | http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=154 |
| 02:26:58 | BigBoss | I thought the only thing that worked worth a damn was the Spreadsheet |
| 02:27:11 | BigBoss | even the CEO showed tkcEditor to their Word developer and told him our app was better |
| 02:27:32 | TrekCycling | oh, I've used tkcEditor and I think it's much better |
| 02:27:42 | TrekCycling | but the word processor is a different beast |
| 02:27:51 | BigBoss | here is just one example |
| 02:28:00 | BigBoss | their search/replace code couldn't handle '[' symbol |
| 02:28:13 | BigBoss | you couldn't search for a file on the system, it had to be in a certain directory |
| 02:28:38 | TrekCycling | wonders if he asked about the weaknesses of Hancom's products? |
| 02:28:41 | BigBoss | some of this was fixed, but Sharp had like 10 QA guys at the Hancom korean headquarters for 3 months trying to fix it |
| 02:28:55 | BigBoss | the Zaurus was delayed releasing for 2 months at least because of Hancom |
| 02:29:14 | BigBoss | the Spreadsheet and Painter are their strongest products by far |
| 02:29:22 | BigBoss | the word processor is just painful |
| 02:29:30 | BigBoss | maybe it's better now |
| 02:29:33 | TrekCycling | works for me for my purposes, taking notes. |
| 02:29:38 | dremspider | I just got my Zaurus |
| 02:29:43 | dremspider | Same here |
| 02:29:43 | BigBoss | you need tkcMemo then for $4.95 |
| 02:29:53 | BigBoss | just released today on Handango and will be on our site tomorrow |
| 02:29:59 | TrekCycling | just like tkcPlayer is painfully slow to load, but is a better MP3 player than the default. |
| 02:30:02 | dremspider | I need an editor that is free with colors..... |
| 02:30:11 | dremspider | That is it ...... no frills |
| 02:30:18 | dremspider | I need emacs..... |
| 02:30:20 | dremspider | hahaha |
| 02:30:23 | dremspider | sorrryyy |
| 02:30:23 | TrekCycling | you can download vi |
| 02:30:25 | TrekCycling | or Pico |
| 02:30:38 | BigBoss | what do you mean it's painfully slow to load |
| 02:30:40 | dremspider | no emacs? |
| 02:30:47 | [DrEvil] | vi is just painful on a PDA |
| 02:30:48 | BigBoss | i have a 5000 and it comes up quickly |
| 02:30:49 | dremspider | c'mon......... |
| 02:30:59 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: we are in agreement |
| 02:30:59 | [DrEvil] | I suspect emacs is painful too |
| 02:31:09 | dremspider | I am sure |
| 02:31:12 | BigBoss | but it is scanning your files, so if you have a really large CF or something, it will take a bit of time to create the play list |
| 02:31:17 | dremspider | I can only imagine |
| 02:31:23 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: not the point. |
| 02:31:43 | [DrEvil] | or if you are looking at a networked directory on the Z |
| 02:32:00 | BigBoss | TrekCycling: what is the point then? you can't know what files to show if you haven't found them |
| 02:32:04 | dremspider | TKC isnt public is it? |
| 02:32:05 | TrekCycling | Point is that when I log in here and ask about one of your products, I don't expect to have to get in the middle of your scrap with Hancom. |
| 02:32:22 | BigBoss | I didn't think you were, someone else asked me about it |
| 02:32:26 | TrekCycling | I don't give a crap about your argument with Hancom. I like their products. I like your products. Both have faults, BFD! |
| 02:32:33 | dremspider | I love tkckapital |
| 02:32:38 | dremspider | that is cool |
| 02:32:39 | BigBoss | and I was fair about their products |
| 02:32:48 | BigBoss | I said good things about some of them |
| 02:32:54 | BigBoss | based on months of using them on the desktop |
| 02:33:40 | TrekCycling | I didn't hear that until just now. |
| 02:33:46 | BigBoss | read back |
| 02:33:54 | BigBoss | we've been talking for maybe 10 minutes |
| 02:34:03 | BigBoss | dremspider asked about hancom |
| 02:34:10 | BigBoss | I answered |
| 02:34:19 | BigBoss | I didn't say "hancom sucks, all their stuff sucks" |
| 02:34:21 | dremspider | I am sorry but the Mahonjj programs you guys have.... I havent seen it but their is 10 clones |
| 02:34:28 | dremspider | I have |
| 02:34:30 | TrekCycling | But I don't care about their desktop products. |
| 02:34:35 | TrekCycling | I use their pda products. |
| 02:34:40 | TrekCycling | I use StarOffice on the desktop |
| 02:34:43 | dremspider | HAncom office ans I love it...... |
| 02:35:04 | dremspider | I have Hancom Office and I love it...... |
| 02:35:10 | dremspider | Sorry.... |
| 02:35:11 | BigBoss | well the only sellable PDA product they have is Paint |
| 02:35:16 | BigBoss | which version? |
| 02:35:22 | BigBoss | the other stuff is bundled |
| 02:35:28 | dremspider | BigBoss.... I got it cheap at Linuxworld |
| 02:35:37 | dremspider | a fairly old one... |
| 02:35:43 | ljp | I use opieoffice |
| 02:35:46 | dremspider | I am not sure..... |
| 02:35:55 | dremspider | And I have M$ office...... |
| 02:35:57 | BigBoss | which linuxworld? |
| 02:36:01 | dremspider | Yuck........... |
| 02:36:04 | dremspider | NYC |
| 02:36:17 | [DrEvil] | I use ed |
| 02:36:25 | BigBoss | ok, I was there - we were selling the new one, it had both HancomWord 5.2 (WINE) and 6.0 in it |
| 02:36:43 | BigBoss | unfortunatly Word was very unstable at that point, version 6 anyway, which was why 5.2 was included |
| 02:36:49 | BigBoss | did you get Pro or Standard? |
| 02:36:52 | dremspider | That was it then |
| 02:36:55 | dremspider | Standard |
| 02:37:01 | BigBoss | ok, so you didn't get our stuff |
| 02:37:08 | dremspider | No...... |
| 02:37:31 | dremspider | anyway is tkc public or private? |
| 02:37:42 | dj | will you be at LW-SF? |
| 02:37:45 | BigBoss | the main problem with Word is it is licensed from Haansoft, their old parent company, and it uses MFC, not Qt, so whenever there is a new release, they have to go and rewrite all the GUI code again |
| 02:37:59 | BigBoss | dj: no, not this year, I really hate the moscone area |
| 02:38:39 | BigBoss | and I don't know what the deal with the filters is, they are just not very good, and they take forever to get updated |
| 02:38:49 | BigBoss | they should just license them like StarOffice does |
| 02:38:52 | dj | we met last year at Hancom's dinner at the wharf |
| 02:39:00 | TrekCycling | StarOffice is nice |
| 02:39:02 | BigBoss | what's your real name? |
| 02:39:19 | dremspider | Slow, but nice |
| 02:39:21 | dj | David Jones, evolserv Technologies |
| 02:39:49 | dremspider | I work at Staples! |
| 02:39:56 | BigBoss | hmm - I probably have your business card here (if you gave it to me), but it's not ringing a bell at the moment - sorry |
| 02:39:56 | dremspider | Staples is great |
| 02:40:10 | BigBoss | it was pretty hectic that night |
| 02:40:32 | BigBoss | dj: were we talking about sales or distribution? |
| 02:40:32 | dremspider | I am a low low person at 8.25 an hour.... |
| 02:40:37 | dj | it's ok, what shape is TKC in? |
| 02:40:56 | dj | both |
| 02:40:56 | dremspider | with the receession and all |
| 02:41:02 | BigBoss | we're doing good actually |
| 02:41:12 | dj | both being on Mandrake's box |
| 02:41:24 | BigBoss | dj: we're in Fry's and Microcenter now |
| 02:41:25 | dj | both of us, that is |
| 02:41:26 | dremspider | Mandrake.... that is bad... |
| 02:41:35 | BigBoss | mandrake has demo's of our stuff in their distro |
| 02:41:38 | dremspider | They killed fred OS.... |
| 02:41:42 | TrekCycling | you guys can make it based on online sales? That's good. I liove your products. |
| 02:41:50 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: What do you have at Fry's? |
| 02:41:56 | BigBoss | dj: give me a call tomorrow if you have something we might be able to do |
| 02:42:05 | BigBoss | TrekCycling: all of our desktop products www.thekompany.com/products |
| 02:42:09 | dremspider | I dislike them....... |
| 02:42:12 | dj | thanks |
| 02:42:28 | dremspider | how do you guys so much so quick |
| 02:42:38 | BigBoss | we do huge sales on our web site |
| 02:42:42 | dremspider | I noticed you have come out with a lot... |
| 02:42:49 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: ah. That's cool. Fry's has lots of X stuff right now. FreeBSD 4.6, StarOffice, multiple Linux distros |
| 02:42:58 | BigBoss | dremspider: great employees, smart development paradigm, great management :) |
| 02:43:15 | BigBoss | we have no outside investors, we are self funded |
| 02:43:19 | BigBoss | and we have like 20 products |
| 02:43:24 | BigBoss | compare that to any other linux company |
| 02:43:43 | dremspider | SuSE rules..... |
| 02:43:46 | BigBoss | August is our 3rd anniversary |
| 02:43:48 | TrekCycling | and the Opie/Qtopia platform is looking to be the standard right now. |
| 02:43:55 | dremspider | I wanna get SuSE on my Zaurus |
| 02:43:55 | BigBoss | from a developer prespective SuSE8 is a nightmare |
| 02:44:00 | TrekCycling | For Linux PDAs. |
| 02:44:06 | dremspider | really..... I heard that... |
| 02:44:12 | BigBoss | TrekCycling: I hope so :) |
| 02:44:26 | [DrEvil] | I hate the way suse uses 8.3 filenames for it's install tree |
| 02:44:30 | dremspider | I like it a lot.... but I heard they are really proprietary |
| 02:44:44 | BigBoss | we have to support so many distros and versions, so we see it all |
| 02:44:48 | BigBoss | mandrake is aweful |
| 02:44:55 | BigBoss | redhat is almost as bad |
| 02:45:03 | dremspider | Mandrake killed Fred OS |
| 02:45:08 | BigBoss | suse use to be good, but has been going downhill since 7.3 |
| 02:45:08 | dremspider | I hate them |
| 02:45:13 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: I think so. Look at the Kaii coming out soon, the Opie project. I just hope TrollTech eventually rolls some fixes back into QTopia. |
| 02:45:15 | dremspider | I love 8 |
| 02:45:25 | BigBoss | Caldera was the saving grace and they went away mostly - almost no one uses it |
| 02:45:35 | dremspider | Does everyone know what fred OS was...... |
| 02:45:38 | BigBoss | TT has a major release (1.6) of Qtopia that is supposed to be out soon |
| 02:45:46 | BigBoss | dremspider: no idea, that is why we are ignoring it :) |
| 02:45:53 | TrekCycling | I use SuSE 8 and it's nice. From a USER perspective. |
| 02:45:53 | dremspider | Or am I just repeating this... and no one knows..... |
| 02:46:00 | BigBoss | Kaii is months behind schedule, as is Royal and Vercel |
| 02:46:08 | dremspider | It was gonna be the greatest OS... |
| 02:46:09 | BigBoss | as are the next Sharp linux devices |
| 02:46:34 | BigBoss | even as a user, since I did an upgrade from 7.3 to 8 instead of an install, i've had tons of problems |
| 02:46:39 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: Really, that's too bad. It just feels like, in spite of the bad reviews by the bean counters that there's good momentum. |
| 02:46:45 | TrekCycling | I hope more devices come out soon. |
| 02:46:56 | TrekCycling | Oh, I never do Linux upgrades. |
| 02:46:57 | dremspider | It was some small company in I think new zealand....... |
| 02:47:01 | TrekCycling | I never do upgrades, period. |
| 02:47:20 | dremspider | They were making an OS.. that ran Windows programs perfectly.... |
| 02:47:25 | TrekCycling | maybe that's habit from my Windows days. |
| 02:47:28 | dremspider | actually faster, |
| 02:47:30 | BigBoss | they shouldn't have an upgrade option if it doesn't work |
| 02:47:36 | BigBoss | :) |
| 02:47:39 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: agreed |
| 02:47:43 | BigBoss | how would mandrake have killed fred then? |
| 02:47:43 | dremspider | including directX... |
| 02:47:59 | dremspider | They wanted it to run unix progs too..... |
| 02:48:12 | dremspider | So they took some of Mandrakes code... |
| 02:48:25 | dremspider | and Mandrake sued them to oblivion |
| 02:48:33 | dremspider | I have an old copy of it.... |
| 02:48:48 | dremspider | about 3 years old now.... |
| 02:48:56 | BigBoss | they should have oss'd it |
| 02:49:01 | ljp | I use LinuxOne |
| 02:49:03 | BigBoss | althought what code of mandrakes could they have taken? |
| 02:49:07 | BigBoss | hahahaha |
| 02:49:10 | dremspider | It also ran Mac Os but really bad... |
| 02:49:11 | TrekCycling | hmmm... Sounds like they got sued for trying to circumvent the GPL, then. Assuming it wasn't "Mandrake's" code. |
| 02:49:15 | BigBoss | mandrake is all gpl |
| 02:49:19 | dremspider | It would have been amazing.... |
| 02:49:28 | BigBoss | i think you are getting fed a line about something here |
| 02:49:35 | BigBoss | 3 years ago mandrake had shit for money |
| 02:49:44 | BigBoss | and no proprietary code |
| 02:49:48 | dremspider | I have the copy... |
| 02:49:49 | BigBoss | I don't think they do yet |
| 02:50:02 | dj | they were a RH clone back then |
| 02:50:03 | dremspider | It is hard to find on the internet but it is there |
| 02:50:06 | BigBoss | sure, but no way that mandrake put them out of business |
| 02:50:08 | dremspider | I know.... |
| 02:50:18 | dremspider | It could have been great... |
| 02:50:22 | TrekCycling | mandrake would put themselves out of business first. |
| 02:50:30 | dremspider | I had it on my system for a while..... |
| 02:50:52 | dremspider | This is what I read in a few places...... |
| 02:51:05 | SirPsycho-home | what was the name of the company that made it dremspider? |
| 02:51:15 | dremspider | Arrggghhhh. |
| 02:51:28 | dremspider | Are you going to make me install it again..... |
| 02:51:31 | dremspider | hmm..... |
| 02:51:47 | dremspider | I had to ditch it because it got old.... |
| 02:53:07 | dremspider | The language stuff was a little hard to understand occasionally too.... |
| 02:54:00 | dremspider | I found it floating on the Internet |
| 02:54:08 | dremspider | Some1 told me about it..... |
| 02:54:24 | dremspider | I had it for a while after they died |
| 02:54:59 | TrekCycling | BigBoss: So, back to tkcVideo |
| 02:55:32 | TrekCycling | Can it play Quicktime? Isn't that what MPEG-4 is? |
| 02:56:32 | TrekCycling | and how fast is it at loading large files, since the Zaurus only has so much memory as it is and definitely not enough to load the entire file into memory if above 24mb or so? |
| 02:57:03 | dremspider | b4 I go has any1 heard if a Targus modem works on the Zaurus |
| 02:57:16 | dremspider | ? |
| 02:57:32 | dj | before i go... |
| 02:57:36 | dremspider | or should I just buy it and try it |
| 02:57:52 | dj | how do i get back my files after a flash/ |
| 02:57:56 | dj | ? |
| 02:58:06 | Cloudchaser | did you do a back up? |
| 02:58:11 | dj | yes |
| 02:58:32 | Cloudchaser | sharp's backup? |
| 02:58:40 | Cloudchaser | and what did you flash to? |
| 02:58:58 | dj | yes, when i do a restore, it wipes the system back to 1.13 |
| 02:59:11 | dj | 1.38 |
| 02:59:15 | Cloudchaser | hmm you have 5000 |
| 02:59:20 | dj | yes |
| 02:59:22 | Cloudchaser | don't know about that |
| 02:59:31 | dj | arrrrrgh |
| 02:59:33 | Cloudchaser | i flashed my rom |
| 02:59:37 | Cloudchaser | restored backup |
| 02:59:42 | Cloudchaser | was fine |
| 03:00:08 | dj | ah, the life of a development system |
| 03:00:20 | W|GG-Libranet | damn...usbdnet doesn't wanna compile |
| 03:00:22 | Cloudchaser | how could it wipe it back to 1.13? |
| 03:00:22 | TrekCycling | BigBoss:? |
| 03:00:29 | Cloudchaser | you flash |
| 03:00:35 | Cloudchaser | reset z |
| 03:00:35 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 4 hours, 57 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: heh [Tue Jul 30 23:02:59 2002] |
| 03:00:35 | scanline | ibot: seen kergoth? |
| 03:00:44 | dj | i did |
| 03:00:47 | Cloudchaser | then restore your file..shouldn't affect the rom |
| 03:01:22 | dj | started at 1.13, backed up, flashed to 1.38, restored, back to 1.13 in the "version" tab |
| 03:01:47 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: hey you are wanting to run x right? |
| 03:01:51 | dj | "system info" , sorry |
| 03:02:00 | Cloudchaser | i was thinking about it prpplague |
| 03:02:12 | dremspider | what is the point f x on a zaurus |
| 03:02:14 | Cloudchaser | but i won't if its that much of a fuss with the apm |
| 03:02:20 | dremspider | I have never see it done |
| 03:02:23 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: so what wm would you like to see on the z? |
| 03:02:40 | dremspider | get KDE on the Zaurus |
| 03:02:46 | Cloudchaser | hehe well i'd have tried the x to do the snes games |
| 03:02:48 | prpplague | dremspider: some ppl don't care for qt |
| 03:03:02 | dremspider | I love qt..... |
| 03:03:11 | Cloudchaser | tried gnuboy but it didn't work with the .gba |
| 03:03:13 | dremspider | all preference I know..... |
| 03:03:26 | TrekCycling | I like QT, but I don't like KDE. |
| 03:03:35 | dremspider | Enlightenment is the greatest by far though..... |
| 03:03:51 | dremspider | can I get that on the Zaurus |
| 03:03:58 | W|GG-Libranet | kde runs slow on my systems |
| 03:04:08 | prpplague | dremspider: a little too bloaty |
| 03:04:21 | dremspider | I agree q/ that |
| 03:04:32 | dremspider | but I think it is well worth it |
| 03:06:12 | Cloudchaser | prpplague: i like some games but games are not major priority for z |
| 03:06:23 | prpplague | dremspider: well i agree with a buddy who said, "ppl are not looking for a desktop on a mobile device, they want a mobile enviroment on a mobile device" |
| 03:06:41 | TrekCycling | that's why Opie is just fine |
| 03:06:54 | Cloudchaser | Opie is getting there :) |
| 03:06:56 | TrekCycling | Opie/QTopia |
| 03:07:28 | dremspider | I just think a port of enlightenment would be SWEET! |
| 03:07:45 | W|GG-Libranet | tried a pretty cool xterm not long ago...something called XMLterm |
| 03:07:50 | dremspider | They would have to change a few things of course |
| 03:08:02 | prpplague | W|GG-Libranet: do tell... |
| 03:08:25 | TrekCycling | anyone know if it's easy yet to do PVR stuff on Linux? |
| 03:09:00 | prpplague | TrekCycling: pvr? |
| 03:09:01 | W|GG-Libranet | prpplague: http://www.xmlterm.com/ |
| 03:09:05 | TrekCycling | I'm thinking about getting tkcVideo for watching a stray TV show now and then on the go |
| 03:09:16 | TrekCycling | Video Recording |
| 03:09:20 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:09:34 | Cloudchaser | now that couldl be fun TrekCycling |
| 03:10:13 | TrekCycling | yeah. |
| 03:10:16 | prpplague | W|GG-Libranet: cute |
| 03:10:18 | Cloudchaser | i almost wish i was commuting by train still since i got the z ;) |
| 03:10:20 | prpplague | bookmarks |
| 03:10:40 | jmhodges | xmlterm? |
| 03:10:50 | jmhodges | looks |
| 03:10:57 | W|GG-Libranet | yeah...it came with Libranet 2.0 and it was pretty damn cool |
| 03:12:53 | dremspider | Any1 know of any editor w/ syntax highlighting and compiling |
| 03:13:02 | scanline | emacs! |
| 03:13:03 | dremspider | for free |
| 03:13:11 | dremspider | for a zaurus |
| 03:13:20 | scanline | nods |
| 03:13:30 | dremspider | where can I get it |
| 03:14:55 | Cloudchaser | TrekCycling: just read a little about pvr.. they use mpeg2 it looks like? |
| 03:15:07 | ljp | help docs... puh |
| 03:15:09 | TrekCycling | sometimes |
| 03:15:22 | TrekCycling | I think some PVR projects are using Divx these days. |
| 03:15:33 | TrekCycling | This project looks promising |
| 03:15:34 | TrekCycling | http://freshmeat.net/projects/freevo/?topic_id=123%2C128%2C126 |
| 03:15:36 | Cloudchaser | should work fine on tkc video then, no? |
| 03:15:53 | TrekCycling | depends on whethe or not tkcVideo can handle large files. |
| 03:16:01 | TrekCycling | BigBoss never answered my question on that one. :-) |
| 03:16:08 | TrekCycling | I may just have to take the plunge. |
| 03:16:21 | Cloudchaser | ah i didn't know if that was the issue.. i don't have big enough card yet to try it out |
| 03:16:40 | Cloudchaser | my 256mb cf is in RMA process |
| 03:16:48 | Cloudchaser | hopefully replacement will be back soon ;) |
| 03:16:50 | | hardwire was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: oops [Thu Jul 25 15:48:11 2002] |
| 03:16:50 | scanline | ibot: seen hardwire? |
| 03:17:12 | TrekCycling | I have a 128. My concern would be the file would have to be loaded into RAM and that becuase of that there wouldn't be enough ram and thus it wouldn't work. |
| 03:18:06 | Cloudchaser | well i think it would be ok |
| 03:18:21 | Cloudchaser | it is possible to encode more than 1 hour of 320x240 (the Zaurus screen resolution) Mpeg4 video to a 128mb Compact Flash card. |
| 03:18:25 | jmhodges | is never going to usbdnet to work again.. |
| 03:18:28 | jmhodges | spectacular |
| 03:18:38 | Cloudchaser | thats from the kompany web page.. |
| 03:18:47 | TrekCycling | yeah |
| 03:18:58 | Cloudchaser | would seem odd if those size files didn't work |
| 03:19:30 | Cloudchaser | my question is.. how to make a 750 mb movie smaller in size for z |
| 03:19:42 | Cloudchaser | like a dvd movie |
| 03:19:45 | TrekCycling | ha |
| 03:19:51 | TrekCycling | that's the trick. |
| 03:19:56 | Cloudchaser | not possible? |
| 03:20:01 | TrekCycling | probably not |
| 03:20:04 | n51175971 | hello |
| 03:20:05 | angry | Cloudchaser: shorten it :) |
| 03:20:25 | ljp | make it reall really small in size |
| 03:20:27 | angry | Cloudchaser: have a wireless internet connection? maybe there'd be a way to stream |
| 03:20:28 | TrekCycling | that's why I think the usefulness of it would be to spend the 30 minute train ride watching the Daily show or something like that. |
| 03:20:29 | Cloudchaser | how? |
| 03:20:40 | Cloudchaser | TrekCycling: yes that is very true |
| 03:20:43 | angry | TrekCycling: yeah, i've got a bunch of simpsons + south parks |
| 03:20:46 | n51175971 | anyone getting this... |
| 03:20:58 | Cloudchaser | n51175971 yes we can see you |
| 03:21:14 | angry | i just dont know if i can justify $15 for using something that should be included in sharp's ROM :( |
| 03:21:19 | n51175971 | thx.. just connected with my Zaurus |
| 03:21:21 | angry | plus i wont use it much |
| 03:21:24 | Cloudchaser | angry: i do have wireless |
| 03:21:29 | TrekCycling | why should it be in sharp's ROM? |
| 03:21:38 | Cloudchaser | but away from home that wouldn't help |
| 03:21:48 | Cloudchaser | if i'm at homem i'll watch movies on the tv ;) |
| 03:22:00 | angry | TrekCycling: they should include it along with other tkc products |
| 03:22:01 | n51175971 | so anyone get gaim working on Z |
| 03:22:09 | angry | TrekCycling: but they're lame so they dont :) |
| 03:23:51 | dj | make a swap file on a 128M SD |
| 03:24:03 | TrekCycling | ha |
| 03:24:31 | Cloudchaser | won't work with tkc video i don't think |
| 03:24:37 | Cloudchaser | sd card too slow it said |
| 03:24:49 | Cloudchaser | on their web site |
| 03:24:54 | angry | you cant watch videos off of SD? |
| 03:24:56 | angry | is CF fast enough? |
| 03:25:13 | Cloudchaser | said CF was fine and they're working on SD |
| 03:25:29 | TrekCycling | I think what DJ was saying, though, was too use the SD card as swap |
| 03:25:41 | TrekCycling | Virtual Memory, in other words. |
| 03:25:46 | Cloudchaser | sd as swap i thought was too slow also |
| 03:25:49 | dj | swap space |
| 03:25:56 | TrekCycling | Oh, I don't know about that |
| 03:26:16 | dj | i setup 32M of swap on my 128M SD |
| 03:26:35 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:26:41 | jmhodges | nice dj |
| 03:26:46 | angry | sd = no multiple read write limit like CF? |
| 03:26:56 | dj | i use the CF for wireless or flashing, which i sdriving me crazy to get back my address book |
| 03:27:12 | TrekCycling | I need to run to bed. later all |
| 03:27:13 | Cloudchaser | angry: i had heard it was an issue with sd too |
| 03:27:21 | Cloudchaser | g'night TrekCycling |
| 03:27:33 | angry | Cloudchaser: i wonder how those IBM microdrives do in that regard |
| 03:27:55 | Cloudchaser | well its not recommended due to heat |
| 03:28:17 | Cloudchaser | but i suppose...its up to the user whether he wants to try it |
| 03:28:20 | dmallor | Question: does sharp plan to incorporate notes syncronization someday. |
| 03:28:46 | W|GG-Libranet | ok....moment of truth... |
| 03:28:47 | Cloudchaser | dmallor: i don't know |
| 03:28:48 | W|GG-Libranet | reboot time |
| 03:28:52 | Cloudchaser | good luck! |
| 03:28:58 | W|GG-Libranet | thx! |
| 03:30:48 | dmallor | Its kinda sad when you go from a Palm and a Ipaq and an older Sharp that handles notes sync, but the Z doesnt. I suppose its worth the loss to get Linux :) |
| 03:33:27 | W|GG-Libranet | damn...forgot to support vfat |
| 03:33:42 | W|GG-Libranet | and sound isn't working |
| 03:33:45 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 03:55:00 | prpplague | night guys |
| 04:18:25 | W|GG-Libranet | shit shit shit |
| 04:18:38 | W|GG-Libranet | usbdnet wont compile |
| 04:19:01 | jmhodges | at least you can find out why |
| 04:19:03 | W|GG-Libranet | putting out tons of errors when i make bzImage |
| 04:19:04 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 04:19:17 | jmhodges | what kernel version? |
| 04:19:21 | W|GG-Libranet | yeah right...can't read that cryptic shit |
| 04:19:28 | W|GG-Libranet | 2.4.18 |
| 04:19:32 | jmhodges | ack! |
| 04:19:34 | jmhodges | gcc? |
| 04:19:59 | W|GG-Libranet | libranet:/usr/src/linux# gcc -v |
| 04:19:59 | W|GG-Libranet | Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/specs |
| 04:20:00 | W|GG-Libranet | gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease) |
| 04:20:49 | jmhodges | hrmp.. well ive been using gcc3 and it seems ok :) |
| 04:21:18 | W|GG-Libranet | i could try to apt-get it |
| 04:21:31 | jmhodges | enh.. |
| 04:21:36 | jmhodges | my usbdnet wont wor |
| 04:21:37 | jmhodges | k |
| 04:21:37 | angry | apt-get bl |
| 04:21:43 | angry | apt-get install bl |
| 04:21:46 | angry | bl |
| 04:21:47 | angry | :) |
| 04:21:48 | jmhodges | i may lrm gcc3 and just use gcc |
| 04:21:55 | jmhodges | er.. 2.95.3 |
| 04:22:41 | W|GG-Libranet | that's what i used on the other box to get the Z up and running |
| 04:22:58 | W|GG-Libranet | so i guess i don't really need to upgrade to 3 then |
| 04:23:09 | W|GG-Libranet | dunno why it won't compile though |
| 04:23:31 | W|GG-Libranet | fuck it...as long as the Z can connect to ONE linux box... |
| 04:25:24 | jmhodges | W|GG-Libranet: at least you got that |
| 04:25:25 | jmhodges | jesus |
| 04:25:31 | jmhodges | is sitting over here with nada |
| 04:25:42 | W|GG-Libranet | beginning to think libranet sucks ass |
| 04:26:25 | jmhodges | :( |
| 04:26:48 | W|GG-Libranet | yummmm....nectarine |
| 04:27:02 | W|GG-Libranet | getting nectarine juice all over my keyboard! :o) |
| 04:27:08 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:27:37 | W|GG-Libranet | will be flying to NC next monday for 2 weeks |
| 04:27:49 | W|GG-Libranet | gonna miss broadband something fierce |
| 04:28:15 | W|GG-Libranet | and wireless |
| 04:29:01 | W|GG-Libranet | but i get to see if i can connect to the airport's AP |
| 04:29:23 | W|GG-Libranet | they'll prolly think i'm some terrorist |
| 04:30:04 | W|GG-Libranet | in fact, EVERYTIME i've flown the last 8 months, i've been searched |
| 04:30:13 | W|GG-Libranet | random searches my ass |
| 04:30:20 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:30:52 | W|GG-Libranet | i looked at my drivers license recently and was shocked |
| 04:31:03 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:31:09 | W|GG-Libranet | even glimpsing it, i look like im of arabic descent |
| 04:31:43 | W|GG-Libranet | i told my wife that THAT was probably why i keep getting searched |
| 04:32:12 | W|GG-Libranet | this one lady searched my laptop bag and found my traveling pr0n :o) |
| 04:33:10 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:33:42 | W|GG-Libranet | read about some lady that had checked her bags in at the airport and w |
| 04:33:51 | W|GG-Libranet | read about some lady that had checked her bags in at the airport and was paged by security because they said something was vibrating in her bag |
| 04:35:28 | W|GG-Libranet | it was a sex toy...she told them before they opened the bag, then the searched anyways and made her hold it up for them...in front of everyone |
| 04:35:33 | W|GG-Libranet | now she's suing the airlines |
| 04:35:36 | jmhodges | heheeh |
| 04:35:38 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 04:35:44 | jmhodges | thats hilarious |
| 04:35:48 | jmhodges | thank god for fark and metafilter |
| 04:35:52 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:36:04 | W|GG-Libranet | ;p; |
| 04:36:05 | W|GG-Libranet | lol |
| 04:37:05 | W|GG-Libranet | ok....compiling again |
| 04:37:15 | W|GG-Libranet | had to deselect usbdnet's shit |
| 04:37:18 | W|GG-Libranet | :o( |
| 04:37:21 | jmhodges | :( |
| 04:37:29 | jmhodges | im beginning to hate usbdnet |
| 04:37:45 | jmhodges | with a cold hard vengeneace |
| 04:38:09 | W|GG-Libranet | i wonder who else is a debian puke in here |
| 04:38:12 | W|GG-Libranet | besides sig |
| 04:38:13 | W|GG-Libranet | heh |
| 04:38:19 | | I haven't seen 'sib', W|GG-Libranet |
| 04:38:19 | W|GG-Libranet | ibot seen sib |
| 04:38:21 | | sig was last seen on #zaurus 10 hours, 5 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: anyone have a quake3 server? [Tue Jul 30 19:33:19 2002] |
| 04:38:21 | W|GG-Libranet | ibot seen sig |
| 04:38:37 | W|GG-Libranet | he'll be here shortly...he's a night owl |
| 04:38:37 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:38:44 | jmhodges | yep |
| 04:39:06 | W|GG-Libranet | i did compile usb video drivers in the kernel |
| 04:39:19 | W|GG-Libranet | so he can try to gnomemeet me |
| 04:39:38 | KhensU | I guess I'm a debian puke. |
| 04:40:06 | jmhodges | hehehe W|GG-Libranet |
| 04:40:10 | jmhodges | KhensU?? |
| 04:40:14 | W|GG-Libranet | lol |
| 04:41:12 | jmhodges | lets see if gcc 2.95.3 works with usbdnet.. better than 3.1 |
| 04:41:25 | W|GG-Libranet | KhensU: you get the usbdnet module to compile with debian? |
| 04:41:29 | KhensU | yup |
| 04:41:33 | W|GG-Libranet | damn... |
| 04:41:47 | KhensU | did it patch fine? |
| 04:41:56 | W|GG-Libranet | it compiles fine with slackware, but not libranet |
| 04:42:01 | W|GG-Libranet | yeah |
| 04:42:03 | KhensU | or are you using the standalone |
| 04:42:10 | W|GG-Libranet | then when i make bzImage, it errors out |
| 04:42:25 | W|GG-Libranet | standalone? |
| 04:42:43 | jmhodges | W|GG-Libranet: no need for patching |
| 04:42:48 | jmhodges | W|GG-Libranet: i used the patch too |
| 04:42:54 | jmhodges | ive had the same problem with both |
| 04:43:19 | W|GG-Libranet | standalone drivers? |
| 04:43:35 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 04:43:35 | W|GG-Libranet | haven't tried that |
| 04:43:41 | W|GG-Libranet | i'll read up on it, i guess |
| 04:43:42 | jmhodges | you just make; make install |
| 04:43:53 | jmhodges | W|GG-Libranet: its on the zaurus (not oz) sf site |
| 04:44:03 | W|GG-Libranet | ahhh |
| 04:44:22 | W|GG-Libranet | they should say something about that on the ZZ howto |
| 04:44:57 | KhensU | W|GG-Libranet: are you using a kernel-source package or a pure kernel source? |
| 04:45:13 | W|GG-Libranet | pure kernel source |
| 04:48:09 | W|GG-Libranet | i'll prolly be too busy on my 'vacation' to play with my Z and linux :o( |
| 04:48:24 | jmhodges | why is it a "vacation" |
| 04:48:25 | jmhodges | ? |
| 04:49:35 | W|GG-Libranet | its supposed to be a vacation but i'm gonna be knee deep in kids at my mom's house |
| 04:50:02 | W|GG-Libranet | she wants me to come home since i been stressing out lately |
| 04:50:30 | W|GG-Libranet | but the kids hardly even know her so she can't help all THAT much....they'll holler too much |
| 04:51:41 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:55:29 | W|GG-Libranet | ok...time to retest the kernel and modules then |
| 04:57:37 | Tharin | where can I get a java programming environment for my z? |
| 05:01:51 | W|GG-Libranet | that was nasty |
| 05:01:57 | W|GG-Libranet | fucked that kernel ALL up |
| 05:02:03 | W|GG-Libranet | that's enough for one night, i guess |
| 05:02:55 | jmhodges | eheheh |
| 05:05:23 | cdm | Tharin: You could use Eclipse. |
| 05:06:15 | Tharin | cdm there an ipk for the z? |
| 05:06:40 | cdm | Tharin: You want to write java code ON your Z or for your Z |
| 05:07:06 | Tharin | cdm both =) |
| 05:07:19 | Tharin | cdm primarily for my z yes... |
| 05:07:38 | cdm | Tharin: well, for your Z you can use Eclipse (www.eclipse.org). However, on your Z would be a bitch - javac and jikes still take a decent amount of resources. |
| 05:08:10 | Tharin | ahhh |
| 05:09:32 | jmhodges | ok |
| 05:09:33 | jmhodges | great |
| 05:09:44 | jmhodges | now im getting unresolved symbols from usbdnet |
| 05:09:46 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 05:09:58 | veriTAS | dir |
| 05:10:02 | veriTAS | or not |
| 05:10:05 | veriTAS | is anyone in here? |
| 05:10:58 | jmhodges | kinda |
| 05:11:38 | veriTAS | do you know what divx i use to encode movies for zaurus use |
| 05:11:53 | veriTAS | i've tried a pile of combinations and still not gotten shit |
| 05:11:53 | jmhodges | no idea |
| 05:12:00 | veriTAS | fuck |
| 05:12:05 | jmhodges | i dont even have tkcVideo |
| 05:21:43 | W|GG-Libranet | nite |
| 05:21:52 | jmhodges | gnight W|GGie |
| 05:21:55 | W|GG-Libranet | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:21:59 | jmhodges | gl on your trip |
| 05:22:01 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 05:28:27 | scanline | Ugh.. zradio possibly has the worst UI I've ever seen |
| 05:29:07 | cdm | anyone wanna play AoK? ;) |
| 05:34:36 | scanline | is frustrated, trying to compile an ARM toolchain |
| 05:35:01 | jmhodges | well.. your frustration probably beats my frustration |
| 05:35:06 | jmhodges | pats scanline on the back |
| 05:35:11 | scanline | hm? |
| 05:35:19 | scanline | what's your frustration? |
| 05:35:45 | jmhodges | usbdnet wont work even though ive tried 2 gcc's and three kernels |
| 05:35:52 | scanline | doh |
| 05:35:58 | scanline | that sounds frustrating.. |
| 05:36:02 | jmhodges | it is |
| 05:36:07 | jmhodges | but yours beats mine |
| 05:36:26 | jmhodges | :/ maybe |
| 05:36:34 | scanline | Well.. this would be easy if I were on debian, or on x86.. but I'm on neither |
| 05:36:36 | scanline | PPC Gentoo |
| 05:36:41 | jmhodges | ouch |
| 05:37:19 | scanline | I could just use my x86 debian desktop computer for zaurus stuff, but I'd like to be able to develop on my laptop (an ibook) |
| 05:37:33 | jmhodges | aaah |
| 05:37:41 | jmhodges | wishes scanline good luck |
| 05:37:47 | scanline | and the same to you |
| 05:37:50 | jmhodges | baah |
| 05:37:53 | jmhodges | im beyond luck |
| 05:37:57 | jmhodges | i need an act of god |
| 05:38:05 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:38:07 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:38:15 | scanline | ooh... madplay ipks! |
| 05:38:22 | jmhodges | lol madplay |
| 05:38:24 | jmhodges | where at scanline? |
| 05:38:31 | scanline | I just googled |
| 05:38:34 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:38:54 | scanline | First thing I compiled was going to be madplay.. I want streaming music over 802.11, and zradio really sucks |
| 05:39:27 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 05:39:55 | jmhodges | i just want an ogg player.. one that doesnt require a credit card |
| 05:40:03 | jmhodges | i need to get my screen replaced too |
| 05:40:05 | jmhodges | damn thing |
| 05:40:16 | jmhodges | its scratched above the handwriting section |
| 05:40:22 | jmhodges | a lot scrached |
| 05:40:29 | hardwire | xstroke is neat |
| 05:40:31 | scanline | Yeah, I'd like to play oggs (and I won't use proprietary softwre to play them) |
| 05:40:31 | jmhodges | im going to have to replace the stylus too |
| 05:41:03 | scanline | hardwire: aha! Someone to bug! Do you know much about OZ's "make cross-gcc" stuff? |
| 05:41:18 | hardwire | contimplates hiding |
| 05:41:21 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:41:23 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:41:25 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:41:30 | hardwire | err.. in reguards to what? |
| 05:41:45 | hardwire | I have never actually run make cross-gcc |
| 05:41:50 | jmhodges | xstroke hardwire? |
| 05:41:57 | hardwire | does that download a cvs compiler? |
| 05:41:59 | scanline | hardwire: I'm trying to use it to build an ARM toolchain on a PPC system with Gentoo... it depends on some debian utilities, but I installed them.. |
| 05:41:59 | | i think xstroke is http://www.east.isi.edu/projects/DSN/xstroke/ |
| 05:41:59 | jmhodges | ibot xstroke? |
| 05:42:00 | hardwire | then make a cross compiler out of it? |
| 05:42:03 | SirPsycho-home | jmhodges: i have one of those G2 screen protectors on mine and I am totally used to having it on there.. dont even notice anymore |
| 05:42:21 | hardwire | scanline ARM x compiling on PPC |
| 05:42:23 | scanline | hardwire: if you aren't responsible for it, I'll keep poking at it until kergoth shows up, then I'll bug him like mad >:) |
| 05:42:26 | hardwire | I think you are on acid |
| 05:42:39 | scanline | hardwire: haha.. no, I have a PPC laptop and want to develop zaurus code on it :P |
| 05:42:43 | hardwire | scanline: I am hardly responsible for anything |
| 05:42:47 | hardwire | time to bug you however |
| 05:42:52 | scanline | hardwire: uh oh :) |
| 05:42:55 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:42:58 | hardwire | play with directfb much? |
| 05:43:00 | jmhodges | SirPsycho-home: sweet :) |
| 05:43:10 | jmhodges | SirPsycho-home: but again.. no credit card :(((( |
| 05:43:22 | scanline | hardwire: I've read some of the docs, and played with the examples, haven't written any code for it |
| 05:43:35 | hardwire | I thought you did |
| 05:43:36 | hardwire | hmm |
| 05:43:45 | hardwire | well |
| 05:43:46 | hardwire | poot |
| 05:44:08 | hardwire | I am doing my darndest to find a way to make full color OSD for mplayer |
| 05:44:48 | hardwire | I am going to be doing some stereo optics soon and I need a HUD for some stuff.. I was hoping to implant something directly into the YUV stream to the card |
| 05:45:04 | scanline | sounds cool |
| 05:45:20 | jmhodges | hehe hardwire |
| 05:45:27 | hardwire | its turning into an impossibility |
| 05:45:31 | scanline | mwahaha... streaming radio |
| 05:45:38 | hardwire | ? |
| 05:45:42 | scanline | echo GET / | nc 192.168.1.1 8001 | madplay /dev/stdin |
| 05:45:46 | hardwire | boulderites.. I swear |
| 05:45:48 | jmhodges | TOO MANY ACRONYMS |
| 05:45:55 | jmhodges | head up display? |
| 05:45:58 | jmhodges | yuv? |
| 05:45:59 | hardwire | TMA? |
| 05:46:01 | scanline | hardwire: you're from boulder? |
| 05:46:07 | hardwire | scanline I am from Fort Collins |
| 05:46:09 | hardwire | remember |
| 05:46:11 | jmhodges | exactly hardwire |
| 05:46:19 | scanline | hardwire: ahh, yes |
| 05:46:24 | scanline | somewhere closeby :) |
| 05:46:25 | hardwire | we need sushi must someday |
| 05:46:39 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:46:41 | jmhodges | hey [DrEvil] |
| 05:47:00 | [DrEvil] | hi hi |
| 05:47:00 | scanline | hmm.. needs buffering.. |
| 05:47:02 | scanline | sets up some fifos |
| 05:47:08 | hardwire | err |
| 05:47:12 | hardwire | instead of nc |
| 05:47:15 | hardwire | try cstream |
| 05:47:18 | hardwire | with input output buffering |
| 05:47:23 | hardwire | its an amazingly cool netcat replacement |
| 05:47:38 | scanline | hmm.. don't have that handy |
| 05:47:46 | hardwire | yeah I know.. |
| 05:47:50 | scanline | (no ipkgs, and I still don't have a gcc working) |
| 05:48:00 | hardwire | I have been using it lately to stream divx from one workstation to another |
| 05:48:02 | scanline | but soon I'll get around to writing a media player in python for picogui |
| 05:48:17 | scanline | prolly using gstreamer |
| 05:48:28 | hardwire | what about mplayer? |
| 05:48:33 | hardwire | just write a VO plugin for it |
| 05:48:46 | hardwire | it plays ogg/mp3/avi* |
| 05:48:53 | scanline | I can already play video with mplayer via SDL |
| 05:49:00 | hardwire | IMHO gstreamer is slow and painfull |
| 05:49:16 | scanline | ah.. I've never used gstreamer, just read the docs.. and it looks really good on paper |
| 05:49:23 | scanline | err, on web page... |
| 05:49:24 | hardwire | its awesome on paper |
| 05:49:30 | hardwire | they spent waaay to much time documenting it |
| 05:49:37 | hardwire | and lots of no time making it work |
| 05:49:45 | hardwire | again.. IMHO |
| 05:49:46 | scanline | Not a common problem in open source (too much documentation) |
| 05:49:55 | hardwire | woot |
| 05:50:01 | hardwire | Not another teen movie is MINE! |
| 05:50:03 | scanline | grumbles... no mkfifo in openzaurus |
| 05:50:10 | hardwire | get vlc/vls working |
| 05:50:10 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:50:22 | hardwire | vlc on SDL is just.. neat |
| 05:51:07 | scanline | brb |
| 05:52:11 | hardwire | well.. moooovie time |
| 05:55:15 | jmhodges | goddamn.. i forogot how long gcc3 takes to compile |
| 05:56:46 | scanline | hehe.. playing music from the command line, Opie tends to fall asleep |
| 05:57:58 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:12:30 | ToyKeeper | doo-dee-doo... |
| 06:12:48 | jmhodges | la da da da |
| 06:12:54 | jmhodges | doooobie dooobie doooo |
| 06:12:59 | jmhodges | ya da dadadadaaa |
| 06:14:02 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 06:15:16 | ToyKeeper | makes his zaurus and ipaq do a little dance |
| 06:15:20 | jmhodges | heheheh |
| 06:15:21 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:15:58 | ToyKeeper | I'm waiting for food to cook, and eating raw dough... |
| 06:16:16 | DaWorm | I found my old sharp wizard when i was cleaning my room |
| 06:16:20 | jmhodges | anyone ever seriously broken usbdnet (as in no usb0 over any number of reboots) and actually recovered? |
| 06:16:21 | DaWorm | it still actually works |
| 06:16:23 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:16:31 | jmhodges | wizard? |
| 06:17:04 | DaWorm | its an old organizer line of sharp back then |
| 06:17:26 | jmhodges | aaaah |
| 06:17:59 | DaWorm | i got it in the 90s in college and back then it was hi-tech since it used this ic card system |
| 06:18:39 | DaWorm | lemme take a pic so you can see it |
| 06:18:46 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:19:15 | jmhodges | fucking compile gcc3!! |
| 06:19:46 | jmhodges | argh |
| 06:24:28 | sig | anyone awake? |
| 06:24:31 | DaWorm | http://www.gotangco.com/zaurus/pics/IQ-8400-1.jpg |
| 06:24:33 | DaWorm | http://www.gotangco.com/zaurus/pics/IQ-8400-2.jpg |
| 06:24:34 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 06:24:44 | sig | hmmm |
| 06:24:51 | DaWorm | hey sig |
| 06:24:57 | sig | howdy DaWorm |
| 06:28:45 | DaWorm | sup? |
| 06:29:13 | sig | not much |
| 06:29:21 | sig | just figuring some things out here |
| 06:29:32 | jmhodges | hehe thanks DaWorm |
| 06:29:40 | sig | wondering where W|GG-Libranet W|GGL|T went |
| 06:29:44 | jmhodges | sig: have you ever seriously fucked usbdnet up? |
| 06:29:54 | sig | jmhodges: no |
| 06:29:57 | sig | why did you? |
| 06:30:00 | sig | hehehe |
| 06:30:01 | DaWorm | wow |
| 06:30:04 | jmhodges | apprarently |
| 06:30:14 | DaWorm | that's bad isnt it |
| 06:30:14 | sig | what did you do? |
| 06:30:20 | jmhodges | i got one to many kernel panics apparently |
| 06:30:23 | jmhodges | and killed it |
| 06:30:30 | jmhodges | this is the second time ive done this |
| 06:30:33 | jmhodges | but the first time |
| 06:30:43 | jmhodges | changing to a different kernel didnt wokr |
| 06:30:45 | jmhodges | course |
| 06:30:57 | jmhodges | i also switched to usbdnet-standalone last time |
| 06:31:10 | jmhodges | i could try going back to the .18 kernel :/ |
| 06:31:21 | sig | jmhodges: hmm |
| 06:31:27 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 06:31:33 | jmhodges | so now i dont even get a usb0 |
| 06:31:44 | jmhodges | and ive tried 3 different kernels |
| 06:31:49 | jmhodges | and 2 gccs |
| 06:32:13 | jmhodges | course not all paired up |
| 06:32:18 | jmhodges | but still! |
| 06:32:34 | sig | I think i have back nerve damage from sitting in front of this fuckin comp |
| 06:32:39 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:32:49 | cdm | kernel panics...bah. |
| 06:33:08 | jmhodges | yes |
| 06:33:15 | jmhodges | DONT SCP TO THE CF CARD |
| 06:33:26 | jmhodges | APPARENTLY THE CF WRITE IS TOO SLOW FOR USB |
| 06:33:32 | jmhodges | never got told this |
| 06:33:43 | jmhodges | til after i kill usb0 for the second time |
| 06:33:56 | cdm | bah - drivers in kernels. |
| 06:34:11 | jmhodges | ? |
| 06:34:28 | | jmhodges: huh? |
| 06:34:28 | jmhodges | ibot urls |
| 06:34:33 | jmhodges | Sugar: urls |
| 06:34:37 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 06:34:45 | jmhodges | scrolls up.. |
| 06:35:00 | jmhodges | dammit it as *2.jpg |
| 06:35:10 | cdm | jmhodges: I am not a fan of kernels with all the drivers and system code living in a big address space, ready to whack on things any time they like. |
| 06:35:45 | jmhodges | cdm: and you use.. ? |
| 06:35:55 | cdm | jmhodges: Mostly QNX these days. |
| 06:36:00 | jmhodges | ah |
| 06:36:04 | cdm | jmhodges: since I work there. ;) |
| 06:36:08 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:36:20 | cdm | jmhodges: but I used it before I worked there as well. |
| 06:36:28 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:38:08 | jmhodges | damn.. if i was less of a gamer i would just fdisk that windows partition and take a gander at qnx |
| 06:38:24 | jmhodges | cdm: ive heard of it .. but havent looked into it hard |
| 06:38:33 | cdm | jmhodges: FAT based windows install or NTFS? NT or Win9x? |
| 06:38:44 | jmhodges | cdm: ntfs :/ win2k pro |
| 06:38:49 | cdm | ah. |
| 06:38:56 | jmhodges | very unfriendly |
| 06:38:59 | cdm | too bad - we can do a "parition in a file" install on FAT partitions. |
| 06:39:04 | jmhodges | aaah. |
| 06:39:10 | cdm | you can boot from the CDROM and stuff... |
| 06:39:15 | cdm | http://qnx.wox.org/qnx/screenshots/ |
| 06:39:22 | jmhodges | how about on ext3? |
| 06:39:49 | jmhodges | so whats different about qnx.wox.org and the qnx.com site? |
| 06:40:23 | jmhodges | im assuming this is neither a free nor open OS ? right? |
| 06:40:49 | cdm | jmhodges: It is free for personal use, and we have lots of stuff that comes in source form. |
| 06:40:58 | jmhodges | where have i seen that wm theme before |
| 06:41:01 | jmhodges | in the bochs.jpg |
| 06:41:05 | cdm | jmhodges: kernel doesn't come that way though... |
| 06:41:12 | jmhodges | cdm: k |
| 06:41:27 | cdm | jmhodges: bochs.jpg is just a gnome install AFAIK - running x86 Neutrino in Bochs on a Sparc running Solaris. |
| 06:41:35 | jmhodges | aaah gotcha |
| 06:41:49 | jmhodges | so its *nix compatible? |
| 06:42:11 | cdm | jmhodges: designed to POSIX and the POSIX RT extensions from the start. We are on the POSIX board. |
| 06:42:19 | jmhodges | aah cool |
| 06:42:24 | jmhodges | good job ;) |
| 06:42:32 | jmhodges | what is this dejaview? |
| 06:42:39 | jmhodges | 2wait i know this |
| 06:42:39 | cdm | jmhodges: You will be able to try it out on your Z pretty easily in a couple of weeks. |
| 06:42:44 | jmhodges | come on ethink.. |
| 06:42:47 | jmhodges | cdm: hehehe |
| 06:43:09 | cdm | jmhodges: Since everything in QNX is a process (message passing) we can do a lot of detailed system interaction logging. Deja-view is a GUI front end to this information gathering. |
| 06:43:13 | jmhodges | i dunno.. keeping up with two projects at once may be a little too much (well three but im not a dev on these two) |
| 06:43:23 | cdm | jmhodges: http://qnxzone.com/eQip/ |
| 06:44:49 | jmhodges | cdm: thanks |
| 06:45:24 | jmhodges | hrm.. i hate to ask this next question |
| 06:45:28 | jmhodges | but i kinda have to |
| 06:45:32 | cdm | jmhodges: okay. |
| 06:46:34 | jmhodges | cdm: im immersed in the real politik of licenses (being a *nix user its a requirement) and where does qnx stand? a "realistic" point of view? (ie "hey os is a good thing, but we dont think we can make money from it" ?) |
| 06:47:02 | jmhodges | i say "realistic" cause my jury i is still out on whether that is realistic |
| 06:47:15 | jmhodges | is young, full of hope and completely up for grabs |
| 06:47:23 | cdm | We make lots of money from selling our OS, tools and the like. |
| 06:47:41 | jmhodges | but closed src correct? |
| 06:47:44 | jmhodges | for most? |
| 06:47:47 | cdm | the kernel is closed. |
| 06:47:52 | jmhodges | ah just the kernel |
| 06:47:55 | jmhodges | interesting |
| 06:48:01 | cdm | we have ddk's with non-nda'd driver source examples. |
| 06:48:13 | cdm | Our clib is open-source, along with other bits. |
| 06:48:15 | cdm | http://cvs.qnx.com/ |
| 06:48:26 | cdm | we are also an active member of Eclipse.org. |
| 06:48:28 | jmhodges | im really sorry but im not experienced with acronyms :/ ddk? nda? |
| 06:48:35 | jmhodges | cdm: really eclipse eh? |
| 06:48:37 | cdm | DDK == Device Driver Kit |
| 06:48:37 | jmhodges | hmm. |
| 06:48:41 | jmhodges | ahhh |
| 06:48:48 | cdm | NDA == non-discloser agreement. |
| 06:48:54 | jmhodges | oh gotcha |
| 06:49:01 | cdm | jmhodges: Lots of the hardware we do drivers for cannot ever be released in source form. |
| 06:49:12 | cdm | jmhodges: Yes, we are probably the second most contributing company after IBM. |
| 06:49:26 | cdm | jmhodges: in fact, the entire C/C++ development env. in Eclipse is currently all our stuff. |
| 06:49:46 | cdm | jmhodges: the stuff in http://qnx.wox.org/qnx/screenshots/ide/ is all Eclipse based. |
| 06:49:46 | jmhodges | why? whats the reasoning? (he said in the most journalistic voice he could muster) |
| 06:50:21 | cdm | jmhodges: The core model we did was really good and we want all of the 3rd party tools to work properly with our "commerical" product based on that core. |
| 06:50:38 | jmhodges | core model of eclipse? |
| 06:50:53 | cdm | jmhodges: so everything IBM, Rational, RedHat, ... write for eclipse will be using our model for C/C++ and will therefor work with our commerical tool set. |
| 06:51:15 | cdm | jmhodges: plus it is good politically. |
| 06:52:15 | jmhodges | so thats your plugin on eclipse.org? |
| 06:52:37 | cdm | Yeah, if you get org.eclipse.cdt.core and cdt.ui that is our stuff. |
| 06:52:47 | jmhodges | ah ok thought so |
| 06:52:49 | cdm | You have to check it out of cvs right now from dev.eclipse.org. |
| 06:52:55 | cdm | we will also be doing cdt.debug |
| 06:52:58 | jmhodges | wish he had a use for eclipse :/ |
| 06:53:02 | jmhodges | it looked niiiice |
| 06:53:04 | cdm | but that is still being flushed out. |
| 06:53:18 | jmhodges | cdm: lovely |
| 06:53:42 | jmhodges | quite the predicament youve put me in cdm |
| 06:54:07 | cdm | :) |
| 06:54:42 | jmhodges | oh since you must be an eclipse guru |
| 06:55:23 | jmhodges | how the heck do you get it to actually install? or do you just run it from that dir (like i was having to do.. and watch it say "finishing install" each time) |
| 06:55:25 | cdm | all I have been coding in/for/under since last Christmas. |
| 06:55:32 | jmhodges | yow cdm |
| 06:55:53 | cdm | You just run it from that dir...but what matters is what dir you are running from.... |
| 06:56:01 | jmhodges | without getting "trade secret" deep what have you been doing coding wise? |
| 06:56:05 | cdm | that "finishing install" is just setting up $CWD/workspace. |
| 06:56:10 | jmhodges | cdm: ah k |
| 06:56:14 | rikkus | attempts to build openssl 0.9.6e 'no holes we hope' for ARM |
| 06:56:28 | jmhodges | cdm: so i could just put it somewhere neutral and it would be fine |
| 06:56:29 | cdm | jmhodges: I worked on the System Builder stuff from the screenshots in that IDE subdir. |
| 06:56:34 | cdm | jmhodges: yep. |
| 06:57:06 | jmhodges | opens up that jpg on his pathetic 56k |
| 06:57:32 | jmhodges | hehe i see you took the 'eclipse look-and-feel' :) |
| 06:57:39 | jmhodges | likes that look-and-feel |
| 06:58:01 | jmhodges | have you guys done anything "radically different" |
| 06:58:12 | jmhodges | or are you planning anything? |
| 06:58:24 | jmhodges | cdm: btw i like the looks of that |
| 06:58:47 | jmhodges | is going to ahve to save this convo some where.. this is getting interesting |
| 06:59:44 | jmhodges | pokes cdm |
| 07:00:16 | cdm | radically different in terms of the UI? |
| 07:00:18 | jmhodges | hrm. |
| 07:00:27 | jmhodges | sure lets go with that |
| 07:00:34 | jmhodges | ... for now! muwhahaaha |
| 07:00:35 | cdm | you don't really have a choice in the look-n-feel when you choose to use Eclipse. |
| 07:00:38 | cdm | that is the point. |
| 07:00:56 | jmhodges | cdm: ;) i konw it was a bad joke |
| 07:01:09 | jmhodges | sorry :/ |
| 07:01:23 | cdm | haha..no worries. |
| 07:01:24 | jmhodges | but i meant not just in the ide |
| 07:01:39 | cdm | oh, in Photon proper you mean? |
| 07:01:40 | jmhodges | in the whole OS, or is it just hte kernel |
| 07:01:50 | jmhodges | photon being the .. UI ? |
| 07:01:55 | cdm | http://qnxzone.com/eQip/screenshots/ |
| 07:02:04 | cdm | Photon is the UI system, yes. |
| 07:02:14 | jmhodges | ah ok thats what i thought |
| 07:02:54 | jmhodges | cdm: ooo icons purty |
| 07:03:32 | jmhodges | now photon is also closed up? or is it open for suggestions? |
| 07:03:47 | cdm | it is part of our core IP. |
| 07:03:49 | cdm | so no. |
| 07:03:50 | jmhodges | sorry cdm but it seems to me your my best src of info |
| 07:04:03 | jmhodges | aaah k expected :D |
| 07:04:23 | jmhodges | hope to god you guys make a decent api ;) |
| 07:04:32 | cdm | http://www.qnx.com/developer/ |
| 07:04:35 | cdm | all the docs are online. |
| 07:04:43 | cdm | I am off to bed. I am here most of the time though. ttyl |
| 07:04:46 | jmhodges | ah ok must have missed that thanks cdm |
| 07:04:50 | jmhodges | gnight cdm! |
| 07:04:54 | jmhodges | thanks a ton! |
| 07:04:57 | cdm | jmhodges: http://www.qnx.com/nc/ is the non-commerical edition. |
| 07:06:13 | jmhodges | yow requirements.. must be damn good looking |
| 07:06:33 | scanline | yow requirements? |
| 07:06:35 | | UH-OH!! I put on "GREAT HEAD-ON TRAIN COLLISIONS of the 50's" by mistake!!! |
| 07:06:35 | scanline | ibot: yow! |
| 07:06:46 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 07:06:48 | jmhodges | whoops |
| 07:06:52 | jmhodges | i forgot about that |
| 07:07:04 | jmhodges | is torn |
| 07:07:12 | jmhodges | i do so enjoy the freedom of nix |
| 07:07:19 | ToyKeeper | :) |
| 07:07:32 | scanline | glues jmhodges back together |
| 07:07:47 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 07:07:50 | jmhodges | lol |
| 07:08:06 | jmhodges | ack 5 buttons on their windwos!? |
| 07:08:10 | jmhodges | are those buttons? |
| 07:08:11 | ToyKeeper | I like being able to move my mouse off my desktop screen and onto my PDA.. among other fun unix tricks. :) |
| 07:08:16 | jmhodges | i cant tell! |
| 07:08:16 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 07:08:27 | scanline | ToyKeeper: hehe.. you can do that in Qtopia too? |
| 07:08:30 | jmhodges | ToyKeeper: damn you |
| 07:08:45 | jmhodges | man i hope kitchensync is sweet |
| 07:08:48 | ToyKeeper | I'll be able to on the Z once I bug prplague about X11... |
| 07:08:49 | jmhodges | er.. the Z version |
| 07:08:56 | ToyKeeper | But for now, I can only do it on the ipaq. |
| 07:09:03 | jmhodges | ack X11 on the Z |
| 07:09:06 | scanline | ToyKeeper: Ah, ok. I've done it on the Z with picogui, and I know it's possible with X |
| 07:09:15 | jmhodges | picogui? |
| 07:09:18 | ToyKeeper | scanline: I want to play with picogui on the Z too. |
| 07:09:22 | jmhodges | hates it when hes the newbie |
| 07:09:30 | sig | is very bored |
| 07:09:45 | sig | why does no one stay up late anymore |
| 07:09:50 | ToyKeeper | I'll probably release a Z rom once I get X11 and familiar all working. |
| 07:09:53 | scanline | ToyKeeper: Hopefully soon I'll get around to fixing the picogui package in OpenZaurus |
| 07:09:56 | jmhodges | i just got yelled at for being up to late |
| 07:10:11 | scanline | jmhodges: see http://picogui.org, it's an alternative GUI I started |
| 07:10:11 | sig | jmhodges: parents? |
| 07:10:27 | jmhodges | sig: indeed.. thank god for dorms |
| 07:10:33 | sig | lol |
| 07:10:39 | jmhodges | im coming edu! im coming! |
| 07:10:49 | sig | lol |
| 07:10:50 | jmhodges | cant find his contact case |
| 07:10:51 | jmhodges | fuck |
| 07:10:57 | jmhodges | oh there it is |
| 07:11:02 | scanline | jmhodges: hehe.. after a year at college my parents have no hope of making my sleep on a "normal schedule" any more |
| 07:11:15 | jmhodges | lol |
| 07:11:31 | jmhodges | im kinda pissed when i sleep in to 2 or 3 thogh |
| 07:11:37 | jmhodges | kinda |
| 07:11:52 | jmhodges | all the fucking stores close too early |
| 07:11:55 | scanline | I prefer to have a rotating schedule.. go to bed a little later every day |
| 07:12:01 | jmhodges | lol scanline |
| 07:12:04 | ToyKeeper | scanline: if you have a Z rom with picogui on it, I'd love to try it. Even if you just "dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/nfs/picogui.rom" to build it. :) |
| 07:12:18 | jmhodges | lol |
| 07:12:32 | jmhodges | hmm |
| 07:12:34 | jmhodges | it seems |
| 07:12:42 | scanline | ToyKeeper: actually, my Z has been broken for a while, and I just got a replacement today. I have some picogui binaries, but they're pretty old. I'm currently compiling an ARM toolchain so I can try to get newer code running on it |
| 07:12:42 | sig | hey cdm |
| 07:12:44 | sig | you around |
| 07:12:54 | jmhodges | it seems so far at least qnx has not done anyting "revolutionary" in terms of UI |
| 07:13:08 | ToyKeeper | As far as I can tell, I'll be able to run familiar-unstable on the Z, with the exception of the kernel. It just needs a touchscreen translator. |
| 07:13:33 | jmhodges | just taken some parts of windows sprinkled some nix (vd previewer) and made it pretty |
| 07:13:40 | scanline | ToyKeeper: I think that's what prpplague was working on |
| 07:13:50 | jmhodges | im really wanting something fresh |
| 07:13:56 | scanline | binutils down, gcc to go.... |
| 07:13:56 | jmhodges | something that makes me fall in love |
| 07:14:00 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 07:14:07 | ToyKeeper | jmhodges: ever gone borderless? |
| 07:14:13 | jmhodges | borderless? |
| 07:14:18 | ToyKeeper | It can be fun. |
| 07:14:28 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 07:14:40 | jmhodges | how are the sizes worked out? |
| 07:14:48 | ToyKeeper | Try enlightenment and set everything borderless. It's nice with lots of translucent terminals and stuff, too. |
| 07:14:53 | jmhodges | ack |
| 07:15:03 | jmhodges | tried my hand at enlightenment |
| 07:15:14 | scanline | wonders if he could set up pwm borderless |
| 07:15:19 | jmhodges | didnt care fot the mem hog... |
| 07:15:20 | ToyKeeper | pwm is spiffy. |
| 07:15:23 | jmhodges | maybe ill try it again |
| 07:15:34 | jmhodges | thinks about a 'lin gnome2' |
| 07:16:02 | scanline | ToyKeeper: indeed |
| 07:16:14 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 07:16:21 | ToyKeeper | I used pwm on the ipaq for quite a while, before matchbox came about. |
| 07:16:36 | scanline | hail BZFlag |
| 07:16:50 | jmhodges | heya BZFlag |
| 07:17:29 | jmhodges | thinks the pwm site is down.. if its where he thinks it is.. google dont fail me now |
| 07:17:37 | jmhodges | ah there we go |
| 07:17:46 | jmhodges | admonishes his modem for fooling him |
| 07:18:52 | scanline | This is kinda funny.. I installed jacques' toolchain from handhelds.org, and now I'm replacing the binaries with PPC versions built with the same settings, all because I'm too lazy to compile glibc |
| 07:18:54 | ToyKeeper | I used fvwm2 for a very long time, went through a period of trying everything, then settled on enlightenment. It's the easiest to live with, for someone who wants a very *clean* desktop and very little mouse use. |
| 07:19:20 | jmhodges | lol scanline |
| 07:19:41 | scanline | ToyKeeper: I used to be an enlightenment fanatic, went through a brief sawfish period, then finally was exposed to pwm |
| 07:19:49 | jmhodges | ToyKeeper: dunno about mouse use but have you tried xfce? |
| 07:19:51 | scanline | gnome/KDE were never my style... |
| 07:20:20 | ToyKeeper | I tried xfce, but... I don't actually want a "desktop environment". When I say "clean desktop", I mean *nothing* on it. |
| 07:20:33 | scanline | root menus are your friend |
| 07:20:56 | jmhodges | i think the desktop has been misused |
| 07:21:09 | jmhodges | this is just off the cuff so bear with me |
| 07:21:30 | jmhodges | both windows and nix havent quite gotten it right |
| 07:21:54 | jmhodges | ah ill shtu up |
| 07:21:59 | jmhodges | now is not the time for this |
| 07:22:06 | jmhodges | its too late for ahving "good ideas" |
| 07:22:09 | ToyKeeper | I could live with pwm... I used ion happily for a while. But I've gotten really attached to some of E's features. And I'm a sucker for "pretty". :) |
| 07:22:28 | scanline | ToyKeeper: Maybe now that I have a more powerful machine I should try E again :) |
| 07:22:29 | jmhodges | ToyKeeper: what do you mean? you have to hvae a few things? |
| 07:23:48 | jmhodges | hehe scanline |
| 07:23:57 | ToyKeeper | Things like E's borderless stuff. Being able to change the border type on the fly, auto-cleanup windows, other somewhat intelligent window auto-sizing, ... I could make a list of the stuff I like but it's probably not worth it. |
| 07:24:26 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 07:24:31 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 07:30:06 | DaWorm | bbl |
| 07:30:39 | sig | had to reboot to my new kernel |
| 07:30:44 | scanline | humm humm.. gcc still compiling... |
| 07:30:46 | sig | lost my nice uptime... :( |
| 07:31:07 | scanline | sig: write a kernel patch that saves and restores uptime across reboots! |
| 07:31:15 | sig | scanline: heh |
| 07:31:19 | sig | that would be pointless |
| 07:31:48 | scanline | probably |
| 07:53:44 | scanline | Yay! |
| 07:53:55 | scanline | just cross compiled for ARM on his PPC |
| 07:59:28 | hardwire | woot |
| 08:00:02 | hardwire | I am gonna go sit in the dark now |
| 08:00:14 | sig | have fun |
| 08:00:20 | hardwire | will do |
| 08:17:21 | ToyKeeper | Wow. I thought hardwire went to sleep long ago. |
| 08:18:17 | sig | ok, I have reached my bordem point |
| 08:18:20 | sig | I'm now going to bed |
| 08:18:21 | sig | later |
| 08:40:13 | Twiun | Morning folks |
| 08:42:05 | scanline | morning Twiun |
| 08:43:29 | Twiun | how goes it? |
| 08:44:18 | scanline | not bad.. Got an ARM toolchain set up on my PPC laptop, and I'm now debugging touchscreen code |
| 08:44:36 | Twiun | Oooo |
| 08:44:41 | Twiun | exciting... |
| 08:44:46 | scanline | :) |
| 08:45:13 | scanline | actually, getting ARM cross compiling from PPC was pretty easy (I cheated and used glibc binaries from an x86 ARM toolchain) |
| 08:45:56 | scanline | ooh... |
| 08:46:02 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:46:19 | scanline | was trying to listen to music on his Z over nfs.. but it skips too much |
| 08:46:27 | scanline | tries a lower bit rate |
| 08:46:58 | scanline | ah, that works |
| 08:47:08 | scanline | madplay must not like 256kbits/sec |
| 08:47:34 | scanline | hmm.. or maybe NFS is bogging down the CPU too much |
| 08:48:32 | Twiun | hehe |
| 08:49:52 | scanline | Eventually I want a media player that will let me listen to music on my Z, transparently grabbing it from DRAM, SD card, CF card, icecast, NFS, http... |
| 08:50:18 | scanline | that would rock |
| 08:55:40 | scanline | bah, X server crashed |
| 09:00:48 | Twiun | That always seems to happen at the worst times |
| 09:01:20 | scanline | I don't think it was X's fault though.. I think something did a mouse grab and wouldn't let go |
| 09:01:31 | scanline | there should be a keyboard command to fix stuff like that... |
| 09:02:03 | Twiun | There is ;-) The old three-fingered-salute |
| 09:02:33 | scanline | enter-option-delete |
| 09:36:46 | Twiun | grumbles |
| 09:36:51 | Twiun | damn timeouts |
| 09:40:57 | Twiun | yawns |
| 09:41:58 | Twiun | Mornin' Cloudchaser |
| 09:42:18 | rikkus | anyone have usbdnet + bridging set up ? I'm getting annoyed by trying to get this to work :} |
| 09:43:11 | hunger | rikkus: I know how that must feel. |
| 09:43:44 | hunger | rikkus: At moments like these I am so happy that I got an ethernet card for my Z right from the start. |
| 09:43:51 | rikkus | right |
| 09:44:13 | rikkus | I'm going to order one if I can't get this set up in the next 3 hours (that's the time I can order a card and get it tomorrow) |
| 09:44:32 | rikkus | actually, I don't care so much about bridging, just masq would do |
| 09:47:12 | rikkus | well, my Z can ping my Linux box, my Linux box can ping my Z |
| 09:47:15 | rikkus | that's a start ;) |
| 09:47:55 | rikkus | for some reason, the Z doesn't have a default route set with the PC as gateway |
| 09:48:01 | rikkus | even though I set that in the network config then rebooted |
| 09:48:35 | rikkus | so I added a default route, told my Linux box to nat, still can't ping anywhere but this PC from the Z |
| 09:48:39 | hunger | rikkus: route add gw default IP iirc. |
| 09:48:55 | hunger | rikkus: Did you setup forwarding on the desktop? |
| 09:48:55 | rikkus | route add default gw my_pc, yes |
| 09:49:02 | rikkus | yes, in theory :} |
| 09:49:13 | hunger | rikkus: You need to echo 1 into /proc/something... |
| 09:49:17 | rikkus | did that |
| 09:49:38 | hunger | rikkus: Then you need to setup forwarding with some ipchains/iptables rules. |
| 09:53:31 | rikkus | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 192.168.129.200 |
| 09:53:37 | rikkus | that should do it, in theory |
| 09:53:50 | rikkus | the Z has routing tables like this: |
| 09:53:55 | hunger | rikkus: Dunno, has been a while since I setup forwarding on a box. |
| 09:54:07 | rikkus | 192.168.0.200 -> usbd0 |
| 09:54:27 | rikkus | default ( gw 192.168.0.200 ) -> usbd0 |
| 09:54:31 | rikkus | s/0/129/ |
| 09:54:46 | rikkus | I filled in /etc/hosts, so there are actually hostnames in there |
| 09:55:23 | rikkus | whoah, it works :) |
| 09:55:40 | hunger | rikkus: What did you change? |
| 09:55:48 | rikkus | wonders what the hell happened. All I did was type 'route' on the Z and then type some stuff in IRC |
| 09:55:59 | rikkus | next time I did a ping (some host on my network) from the Z, it worked |
| 09:56:14 | hunger | rikkus: Nice:-) |
| 09:56:26 | rikkus | I'm sure iptables is flaky |
| 09:56:30 | hunger | rikkus: Computer are really strange at times. |
| 09:56:39 | rikkus | it never works for me, and I used to use ipfwadm a _lot_ |
| 09:56:58 | hunger | rikkus: iptables work great on my packetfilter/firewall. |
| 09:57:03 | rikkus | heh |
| 09:57:16 | hunger | rikkus: I used some setup tool called gshield ir something. |
| 09:57:43 | rikkus | I've been trying for ages to make iptables on my nat firewall let me poke a hole through from outside to some box inside, so I can let external people access its http server |
| 09:58:10 | rikkus | I've tried at least 2 different commands suggested by howtos, plus messed about for hours |
| 09:58:13 | rikkus | annoying :} |
| 09:58:25 | hunger | rikkus: I know how that feels. |
| 09:58:53 | rikkus | has a look at gshield to see if it does nat |
| 09:59:14 | rikkus | oh yes, it does |
| 09:59:17 | rikkus | nice, thanks :) |
| 09:59:38 | rikkus | when the site is back up, I'll use it |
| 10:03:16 | rikkus | my vote for the best thing about the Z: You get to use Vi with a pen |
| 10:07:50 | rikkus | msmax: hi |
| 10:08:00 | msmax | hi |
| 10:12:31 | ljp | or writing the commandline |
| 10:12:52 | Harlekin | oh, a root irc chatter |
| 10:12:53 | Harlekin | fun |
| 10:12:59 | Harlekin | moin ljp |
| 10:13:00 | Harlekin | btw |
| 10:14:16 | ljp | root where do you see that? |
| 10:14:38 | Harlekin | msmax [~root@213.247.143.105] |
| 10:15:11 | ljp | heheh jasonnj is always root also |
| 10:15:23 | rikkus | dcc send msmax .ssh/authorized_keys ; ssh 213.247.143.105 rm -rf / |
| 10:15:36 | rikkus | let's hope max's IRC client isn't too bad ;) |
| 10:15:42 | hunger | ljp: I used to have my identd return root for a while too. |
| 10:17:18 | Speedy2 | re |
| 10:18:08 | Speedy2 | RE |
| 10:19:36 | rikkus | msmax: I had to take the ssl libs out of the tkcMail ipk and put them in a separate package, otherwise ipkg refuses to install tkcMail to cf - it needs to put it in RAM |
| 10:20:45 | msmax | rikkus: ok.. good way too |
| 10:21:51 | rikkus | msmax: well, it's ok, but now I need to get ssl libs built from 0.9.6e - because the previous ones have exploits :( |
| 10:22:24 | rikkus | I built some libs, seemed to work ok, but they don't work - I'm not sure yet whether I built them wrong or there's something wrong in tkcSSL |
| 10:25:04 | oob | good morning |
| 10:25:06 | Wembly | nini |
| 10:25:20 | rikkvs | this is me on the Z |
| 10:25:36 | rikkus | rikkvs <- is using tkcJabber :} |
| 10:26:32 | oob | tkc jabber doesn't support ctcp ? |
| 10:26:42 | rikkus | probably not |
| 10:26:47 | rikkus | it's using the jabber IRC transport |
| 10:26:52 | rikkus | which might be limited |
| 10:26:56 | Wembly | well |
| 10:26:59 | Wembly | does it understand /me? |
| 10:27:05 | rikkus | no |
| 10:27:09 | rikkus | tries it |
| 10:27:15 | Wembly | wavies |
| 10:27:21 | oob | got to say i'm having trouble understanding you too :) |
| 10:27:21 | Wembly | an action is a ctcp |
| 10:27:41 | rikkvs | does something |
| 10:27:48 | rikkus | oh, it does |
| 10:28:30 | oob | <rikkvs> Sorry, I do not support Private Messages right now |
| 10:28:46 | oob | ^ response to ctcp version ^ |
| 10:28:54 | rikkus | yep, I saw that |
| 10:32:58 | rikkus | gets coffee |
| 10:33:04 | rikkus | heh |
| 10:33:14 | rikkus | on tkcJabber, I see that as 'rikkus: /me gets coffee' |
| 10:35:40 | Speedy2 | Hello ljp, George |
| 10:36:10 | oob | anyone know why attaching a serial cable to the Z causes the hardware keyboard to stop working? |
| 10:36:29 | George- | hi Speedy2 |
| 10:36:49 | oob | had some sleep speedy2? |
| 10:36:59 | pdq | oob: just mechanical, can't pull out the slide |
| 10:36:59 | hunger | oob: I don't have a serial cable, but I heared that the connector is so thick that you cannot move the slider covering the keyboard over it. |
| 10:37:16 | oob | ahhh ok, thanks |
| 10:38:10 | hunger | oob: You can make your own cable without that limitation. |
| 10:38:43 | oob | hunger - is there a schematic somewhere? |
| 10:38:44 | hunger | thinks sharp really limits the use of the keyboard with their add ons (cradle, serial cable, etc.) |
| 10:39:08 | Speedy2 | oob: Yes, I slept some. |
| 10:39:13 | hunger | oob: Dunno. Someone here mentioned he made his own serial cable, so there should be something. |
| 10:39:13 | Speedy2 | (Thank you for asking) |
| 10:39:30 | Speedy2 | oob: In a few days I can give you what you need. |
| 10:39:33 | oob | hunger - thanks, i might end up just pulling apart the one i ordered |
| 10:39:36 | oob | speedy - np |
| 10:39:57 | hunger | oob: I think speedy build the cable, but IÄm not sure anymore. |
| 10:40:04 | Speedy2 | No, I have not built a cable yet. |
| 10:40:13 | Speedy2 | I need to build myself first. |
| 10:40:33 | oob | speedy - sweet, i'll look you up in a few days |
| 10:41:21 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 10:41:28 | oob | i'm guessing everyone wants to use the Z + serial cable as a portable console in the server room? |
| 10:41:34 | Speedy2 | oob: You need one IC, a few capacitors and some wire |
| 10:41:42 | Speedy2 | The hard part will be the mating connector |
| 10:41:51 | Speedy2 | You may have to hack apart existing cable...which may not be good |
| 10:41:53 | rikkus | thinks it would be nice to have a proper keyboard for the Z |
| 10:42:34 | George- | rikkus: It should be possible, the Sharp IO provides 1xUSB and 1xSerial interface, afaik |
| 10:42:40 | rikkus | right |
| 10:42:52 | rikkus | hmm |
| 10:42:53 | George- | anyone hacked the serial cable yet to charge from the USB port? |
| 10:42:55 | George- | er... |
| 10:42:58 | rikkus | vncviewer seems to work nicely though |
| 10:43:05 | George- | s/serial cable/cradle |
| 10:43:30 | rikkus | cool |
| 10:43:39 | rikkus | I think I'll just use vnc and alt-tab to the Z :) |
| 10:43:57 | rikkus | though it would be nice if there were a double-size mode so I could read it :} |
| 10:43:57 | pdq | I dunno, the power supply is rated at 2 amps, can you draw that much from USB |
| 10:44:27 | George- | rikkus: have you got a Z? |
| 10:44:37 | George- | pdq: well, the iPaq can do it |
| 10:44:38 | rikkus | George-: yes, got it yesterday |
| 10:44:41 | George- | pdq: So I assume so... |
| 10:44:49 | George- | pdq: The iPaq has the same power rating as the Z |
| 10:44:53 | Speedy2 | USB supplies maximum 500mA |
| 10:44:57 | Speedy2 | But the Z is USB *SLAVE* |
| 10:44:57 | George- | rikkus: cool, flashed OZ on it yet? :) |
| 10:45:11 | Speedy2 | You cannot interface a keyboard to it. |
| 10:45:20 | George- | why not? |
| 10:45:21 | rikkus | George-: heh, no, I'm writing software and want to be sure it works on a 'normal' Z |
| 10:45:29 | Speedy2 | George-: You can't interface a USB keyboard to it |
| 10:45:30 | oob | i have a question about OZ; has the kernel been compiled with SWAN support ? |
| 10:45:37 | Speedy2 | Because the Zaurus has USB slave capabilities only. |
| 10:45:58 | rikkus | hmm, that's annoying |
| 10:46:09 | Speedy2 | rikkus: What is? |
| 10:46:13 | George- | Speedy2: That sucks |
| 10:46:20 | George- | Speedy2: What about the Serial IO? |
| 10:46:21 | rikkus | Speedy2: that it doesn't act as a master |
| 10:46:23 | Speedy2 | George-: The StrongARM has USB slave ONLY |
| 10:46:32 | Speedy2 | it's not the Z's fault (not directly) |
| 10:46:34 | Speedy2 | iPaq is the same way |
| 10:46:40 | George- | Speedy2: What about the Serial IO? |
| 10:46:41 | Speedy2 | So is any other SA-1110 based device |
| 10:46:44 | Speedy2 | George-: Yes, that could wokr |
| 10:46:45 | Speedy2 | Work |
| 10:46:53 | rikkus | if it did master, you could put a network card, a keyboard, a mouse etc on it via USB, I suppose |
| 10:46:53 | Speedy2 | It would work perfectly fine |
| 10:46:58 | Speedy2 | rikkus: True. |
| 10:47:10 | hunger | oob: Dunno, sorry. Ask kergoth. |
| 10:47:25 | oob | is kergoth the maintainer? |
| 10:47:55 | George- | rikkus: Or design your own SCSI interface via CF, and daisy chain a few 15000 RPM HDDs and stuff :) |
| 10:48:07 | hunger | oob: He does most of the work. |
| 10:48:16 | oob | ok |
| 10:48:17 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 10:48:17 | rikkus | I'd have much preferred to be able to add a nic on usb, so I wouldn't have to use this stupid usbdnet module or set up nat or buy a nic for UKP 150 and then get an SD card because the CF slot is filled... etc. |
| 10:48:21 | Speedy2 | George-: That's not too far off |
| 10:48:24 | rikkus | George-: hehe |
| 10:48:28 | George- | Speedy2: hehe :) |
| 10:48:28 | Speedy2 | George-: There are PCMCIA SCSI cards... :) |
| 10:48:36 | Speedy2 | George-: I am in possesion of 3 |
| 10:48:38 | George- | Speedy2: I know =P |
| 10:48:41 | rikkus | George-: powered by the Z ? ;) |
| 10:48:47 | George- | rikkus: mwahahaha, yeh |
| 10:48:52 | Speedy2 | The bullshit is that they did SD+CF |
| 10:48:56 | Speedy2 | They should have done dual-CF |
| 10:48:58 | Speedy2 | Then life would be fine. |
| 10:49:00 | rikkus | right |
| 10:49:01 | George- | rikkus: I can just imagine... getting a DVD burner for the Z :) |
| 10:49:04 | Speedy2 | But they're retards |
| 10:49:17 | rikkus | SD is useless - the cards are more expensive, and they don't even use the 'secure' feature anyway |
| 10:49:19 | George- | Speedy2: The SD is useful for some people |
| 10:49:26 | rikkus | George-: like? |
| 10:49:32 | Speedy2 | George-: I think dual-CF would be univesally useful. |
| 10:49:34 | hunger | Speedy2: I guess dual CF would have made the device even bigger. |
| 10:49:43 | Speedy2 | hunger: Possible...depends on how it was done |
| 10:49:43 | rikkus | you can't even get a 256M SD card in .uk yet |
| 10:49:48 | George- | rikkus: digicam people? |
| 10:49:59 | George- | Speedy2: I hear the CF takes a lot of power as it is |
| 10:50:07 | Speedy2 | George-: SD uses a decent amonut of power too |
| 10:50:10 | George- | Speedy2: Dual CF would drain battery in like, no time |
| 10:50:16 | George- | hmm |
| 10:50:17 | Speedy2 | George-: I disagree |
| 10:50:17 | George- | ok |
| 10:50:30 | Speedy2 | SD saves power by having more simple interface electronics and not loading the bus as much |
| 10:50:31 | Speedy2 | But... |
| 10:50:32 | George- | plus, what physical space in the Z is there for dual CF? |
| 10:50:37 | George- | take out the SD, great |
| 10:50:40 | Speedy2 | George-: if it was flanked on either side |
| 10:50:41 | rikkus | George-: hmm, suppose so, but who really puts their pix on a Z ? Digital cameras tend to have LCDs for viewing anyway, if you wanted to do something else with the pics, you'd put them on a PC, I expect. |
| 10:50:44 | George- | now where do we shove the CF? |
| 10:50:46 | Speedy2 | Not 90 deg apart, but 180 deg |
| 10:51:00 | Wembly | bah |
| 10:51:02 | Speedy2 | Like <----| CF1 CF2 ----> |
| 10:51:04 | Wembly | just make a cf bridge :) |
| 10:51:06 | Speedy2 | Like <----| CF1 |CF2 ----> |
| 10:51:25 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Ok, that's not unreasonable, but the data transfer rate would be 25MHz/5MHz == maximum 5MTransfers/second |
| 10:51:36 | hunger | Speedy2: That would be awfully unwields with entwork cards, etc. |
| 10:51:43 | Wembly | *shrug* |
| 10:51:52 | rikkvs | just have a USB port which does master and life is easier, IMO |
| 10:51:56 | hunger | Speedy2: Having them stick out on the top is OKish, but on the side would really suck. |
| 10:52:07 | George- | rikkvs: yep |
| 10:52:08 | Speedy2 | rikkus: That requires even more nasty logic -- an external USB controller |
| 10:52:16 | George- | rikkvs: no no no |
| 10:52:19 | George- | eblah |
| 10:52:19 | George- | akdshjfgoa |
| 10:52:21 | Speedy2 | rikkvs: Don't blame Sharp for not having USB master. |
| 10:52:22 | Wembly | *shudders* |
| 10:52:24 | George- | is going mental |
| 10:52:28 | Wembly | usb host.. |
| 10:52:29 | Speedy2 | But CF dual would be nice iMO. |
| 10:52:33 | Speedy2 | IMO. |
| 10:52:34 | George- | Speedy2: Does the Xscale *gasp* have USB Master? |
| 10:52:36 | Speedy2 | No |
| 10:52:48 | George- | what about AMD's embedded CPU? |
| 10:52:50 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 10:52:52 | Speedy2 | And it works |
| 10:52:54 | Wembly | why in gawd names did intel not atleast come up with a device to device bus :( |
| 10:53:14 | Speedy2 | George-: AMD's part has power specs close to what they claim. |
| 10:53:18 | Wembly | or some hack on usb that'd work. |
| 10:53:19 | rikkus | considers making a package of stuff to get your Z working with a Linux box |
| 10:53:27 | George- | Speedy2: hmm? |
| 10:53:45 | Speedy2 | Do you realize how much CPU power is needed for USB host? |
| 10:53:54 | George- | I dunno |
| 10:54:02 | Speedy2 | A lot |
| 10:54:06 | Speedy2 | It's nasty |
| 10:54:15 | George- | well |
| 10:54:21 | George- | I dunno |
| 10:54:44 | rikkus | well, they need to solve the crap battery problem too :} |
| 10:54:53 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 10:54:58 | Speedy2 | That's due to the really small battery |
| 10:55:01 | George- | rikkus: yeh, they're doing that in the SL-5600 from what I've heard |
| 10:55:05 | rikkus | good |
| 10:55:10 | George- | rikkus: twice the capacity, or something |
| 10:55:12 | rikkus | is lithium ion the best option? |
| 10:55:14 | Speedy2 | 3.7V 950mA vs. iPaq's 4.2V 1 A-h |
| 10:55:15 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 10:55:16 | Wembly | when is the sl-5600 gonna come up or somesuch? |
| 10:55:18 | George- | yeh |
| 10:55:19 | Speedy2 | But they used a TINY one |
| 10:55:23 | rikkus | I see |
| 10:55:28 | Speedy2 | 3.7V 950 mA-H vs. iPaq's 4.2V 1 A-h |
| 10:55:38 | Speedy2 | iPaq has more energy storage |
| 10:55:43 | Speedy2 | (for it's battery) |
| 10:55:44 | George- | the Z's one would last longer |
| 10:55:47 | George- | so? |
| 10:55:54 | George- | iPaq has higher voltage |
| 10:56:00 | Speedy2 | That's not the point |
| 10:56:01 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 10:56:02 | George- | drains quicker... |
| 10:56:03 | Speedy2 | NO |
| 10:56:05 | Speedy2 | NO |
| 10:56:14 | rikkus | I just think it's a bit silly when my cassette walkman has 100h battery life with one tiny nimh battery plus one AA cell |
| 10:56:15 | Speedy2 | 4.2V * 1A-h == 4.2J |
| 10:56:20 | Speedy2 | err |
| 10:56:22 | Speedy2 | not quite right |
| 10:56:23 | Speedy2 | one sec |
| 10:56:25 | Wembly | george: it still dosnt mean that compaq's battery isnt bigger. |
| 10:56:27 | Speedy2 | (off by an order of magnitude) |
| 10:56:28 | rikkus | but I suppose they couldn't do that due to amount of power needed or something |
| 10:56:39 | George- | Wembly: yes |
| 10:56:42 | Wembly | basicly bigger battery = longer battery life |
| 10:56:49 | George- | The Yopy's battery is 1400mA |
| 10:57:14 | Wembly | if they took the compaq's battery and stuck it on the zaurus itd improve the battery life. |
| 10:57:26 | rikkus | would it be possible to allow adding an AA cell, or does it not provide enough watts/amps/current/whatever ? (yes, I know nothing about electronics) |
| 10:57:36 | George- | lol, my laptop battery is 4.5AHr :) |
| 10:57:53 | Speedy2 | The iPaq's battery stores 15,120 J vs Zaurus's 12, 654 J |
| 10:57:59 | George- | blah |
| 10:58:02 | hunger | George-: ...and is probably as big as the complete Zaurus. |
| 10:58:11 | George- | hunger: yep :) |
| 10:58:12 | Speedy2 | The iPaq's battery thus stores about 19% more energy |
| 10:58:25 | rikkus | 2000% would be better... |
| 10:58:26 | Wembly | speedy2: does the ipaq drain the battery faster? |
| 10:58:26 | George- | hunger: Almost exactly the same size lol |
| 10:58:31 | George- | rikkus: lol |
| 10:58:38 | George- | rikkus: Go build a battery extender then |
| 10:58:39 | George- | =P |
| 10:58:45 | rikkus | heh |
| 10:58:56 | Wembly | a xl battery wouldnt be hard... |
| 10:59:00 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Well, the iPaq uses the same CPU and about the same RAM/Flash config. The differences would be in things like the Sharp's ASICs, etc. I think they're comparable... |
| 10:59:07 | Wembly | tho itd probly have problems with the fcc or ce or somefin. |
| 10:59:10 | George- | rikkus: which Z did you get? |
| 10:59:13 | rikkus | well, I like the fact that if I'm taking my walkman somewhere, I can stick 4 AA cells in my pocket, and I have literally hundreds of hours of battery life |
| 10:59:17 | rikkus | George-: SL5500 |
| 10:59:18 | Wembly | herm k |
| 10:59:26 | hunger | rikkus: I WANT A THERMAL REACTOR IN MY Z:-) Put in a couple of pounds of uranium and have energy to power the Z for years. |
| 10:59:29 | George- | rikkus: cool |
| 10:59:30 | rikkus | heh |
| 10:59:34 | George- | rikkus: I only have the 5000D |
| 10:59:35 | hunger | Of course the shielding might be a bit of a problem:-) |
| 10:59:38 | Speedy2 | So, to make the point clear, the iPaq can last longer since it's battery literally has ~20% more energy |
| 10:59:39 | George- | hunger: lol |
| 10:59:44 | Speedy2 | The other thing is the iPaq has a better LCD |
| 10:59:45 | Wembly | hunger: what do you do with the waste tho? |
| 10:59:45 | rikkus | hunger: pacemakers are nuclear, no ? |
| 10:59:47 | Speedy2 | Much better contrast |
| 10:59:52 | Speedy2 | So you don't need the frontlight/backlight as much |
| 10:59:55 | Speedy2 | So it wins there too |
| 11:00:10 | rikkus | likes the screen on the Z - didn't realise it could be even better |
| 11:00:16 | Speedy2 | It has moire issues |
| 11:00:21 | Speedy2 | With the touchscreen digitizer |
| 11:00:25 | scanline | Speedy2: keyboard is a big plus for the Z |
| 11:00:34 | Speedy2 | scanline: I agree wholeheartedly |
| 11:00:50 | hunger | scanline: Only for people like us messing with the Z outside of Qtopia:-) |
| 11:00:52 | Speedy2 | I'm not saying I like the iPaq, I'm only being factual. |
| 11:00:53 | George- | Speedy2: But the iPaq is drawing the energy off the battery at a higher rate |
| 11:00:59 | Speedy2 | George-: No it is not. |
| 11:01:02 | scanline | Speedy2: my biggest gripe about the Z is lack of an internal speaker |
| 11:01:03 | Wembly | speedy2: dont all things have moire issues? |
| 11:01:05 | scanline | hunger: hehe |
| 11:01:10 | Speedy2 | Wembly: No. |
| 11:01:22 | George- | hunger: which is like, all of us :) |
| 11:01:29 | Wembly | speedy2: i recall all monitors having moire issues. |
| 11:01:32 | Speedy2 | Just because it has a higher output voltage doesn't mean that more power is being disappated |
| 11:01:32 | Wembly | dunno about lcd's tho |
| 11:01:47 | George- | yeh, my tibook has moire issues |
| 11:01:48 | Speedy2 | Wembly: LCDs don't unless the optical polarizers interact with something |
| 11:01:53 | hunger | George-: Most stay inside Qtopia most of the time. |
| 11:01:55 | Wembly | herm ok |
| 11:02:05 | Speedy2 | (diffraction grateing (sp? ) |
| 11:02:06 | Wembly | *has no clue about lcd's* |
| 11:02:20 | George- | Speedy2: You know too much! |
| 11:02:26 | Speedy2 | George-: Maybe. |
| 11:02:30 | George- | kicks speedy2 (go to #knowledge!) |
| 11:02:38 | Wembly | *laugh* |
| 11:02:41 | Wembly | siwwy people :) |
| 11:02:48 | George- | Wembly: lol |
| 11:03:01 | djk-w | I think is might be a personal thing on the screen. I found a side by side in the store to show the Zaurus to have a crisper and brighter screen than the iPaqs but as I said its a personal taste thing |
| 11:03:24 | George- | ok |
| 11:03:27 | George- | this is stupid |
| 11:03:36 | George- | I installed XFree86, and it totally screwed up APM =P |
| 11:03:45 | djk-w | btw Sharp makes most of the LCD panels that the others use ;-) |
| 11:04:04 | George- | djk-w: yeh, prolly |
| 11:04:07 | Speedy2 | djk-w: Yeah...the irony is that Sharp makes most of the LCDs used by Sony in their VAIO yet Sony made the LCD used in the iPaq! |
| 11:04:18 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:04:19 | Wembly | hhaha |
| 11:04:19 | George- | lol |
| 11:04:21 | Wembly | ugh |
| 11:04:29 | Wembly | sony's camera pda. |
| 11:04:37 | George- | the crapei? |
| 11:04:40 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 11:04:41 | Wembly | but.. |
| 11:04:41 | George- | er.. clie |
| 11:04:44 | George- | ;) |
| 11:04:47 | Wembly | they are all clie's |
| 11:04:55 | George- | I know =P |
| 11:04:57 | Wembly | but like.. why? |
| 11:04:59 | scanline | Speedy2: the backlight in the Zaurus is kinda weird.. projects a lot of light out past the left side of the unit |
| 11:05:02 | Wembly | the one with the camera. |
| 11:05:05 | Wembly | i mean.. |
| 11:05:08 | Wembly | i just dont understand it. |
| 11:05:15 | djk-w | Speedy2: now that is a twist guess they want to keep each other in business <grin> |
| 11:05:17 | Wembly | its soo...just.. |
| 11:05:18 | Speedy2 | scanline: It's a frontlight, and they didn't get the diffuser worked out correctly |
| 11:05:22 | George- | Wembly: lol, the Z has a camera smashed into it's back |
| 11:05:24 | Speedy2 | scanline: I agree too |
| 11:05:27 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:05:30 | Wembly | the keyboard has a very unresponseive tactical feedback |
| 11:05:31 | George- | Wembly: ya know, the next Z |
| 11:05:36 | Speedy2 | Will fail |
| 11:05:40 | Speedy2 | Since it uses the Xhale |
| 11:05:45 | George- | lol |
| 11:05:49 | George- | Xscrap |
| 11:05:51 | Wembly | george: sony sells a memorystick camera |
| 11:05:58 | George- | Wembly: and...? |
| 11:06:03 | Wembly | nothing |
| 11:06:04 | hunger | Wembly: and the keys could be more rubbery so you can use them with the stylus too. |
| 11:06:05 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 11:06:10 | George- | memory stick is overpriced junk |
| 11:06:13 | Wembly | hunger: herm? |
| 11:06:16 | scanline | I've heard of the Xscale.. what architecture does that use? |
| 11:06:16 | Speedy2 | Memory stick is bullshit. |
| 11:06:19 | George- | I'd rather have a microdrive |
| 11:06:27 | Speedy2 | scanline: It's Shintel's implementation of the ARM v5 ISA |
| 11:06:36 | hunger | Wembly: I'm just adding to your list of keyboard faults on the Z. |
| 11:06:37 | scanline | Speedy2: doh.. |
| 11:06:39 | George- | bbiab - lunch |
| 11:06:40 | Speedy2 | scanline: It maintains backwards compatability by keeping ARM v4 ISA |
| 11:06:58 | Wembly | speedy2: you think anyone will start making arm processors that'll compete in the pda market? |
| 11:07:00 | Speedy2 | Since v5 is really a superset of v4 anyway... |
| 11:07:00 | George- | scanline: The keywords are "Intel's" and "Implementation" |
| 11:07:19 | scanline | George-: yeah... so we can expect it to be like Microsoft's implementation of Kerberos? |
| 11:07:24 | George- | What ever happened to Cirrus Logic? |
| 11:07:30 | Speedy2 | Wembly: There was once a company that did. Their name was Digital Equipment Corporation and they came up with the StrongARM. Then they got fucked by Intel. |
| 11:07:32 | George- | scanline: yep |
| 11:07:35 | George- | scanline: It's crap |
| 11:07:43 | Speedy2 | George-: Their ARM SoCs are underpowered. |
| 11:07:45 | scanline | Zaurus is already way too fast :) |
| 11:08:01 | George- | scanline: A 400MHz Xscale running PPC 2002 is *outperformed* by a SA-1110 running PPC 2002 |
| 11:08:06 | djk-w | Wembly: I have experienced rubbery keys and they wear down quick. I find the keys to be good compared to the options and Sharps attempt in keeping the overall size small |
| 11:08:12 | hunger | scanline: What is Socs? |
| 11:08:14 | scanline | I'd rather the chipmakers focus on battery life than speed |
| 11:08:17 | Speedy2 | hunger: System on a Chip |
| 11:08:25 | scanline | George-: haha |
| 11:08:27 | hunger | forms a mental image of an ARM wearing socks. |
| 11:08:31 | George- | lol |
| 11:08:50 | George- | Speedy2: they're still alive, though, right? |
| 11:08:59 | Speedy2 | scanline: Well, the issue is lack of software to take advantage of hardware hooks. Most modern low-power SoCs can do dynamic clock scaling. |
| 11:09:18 | Speedy2 | George-: Yes. They bought Crystal semi and that keeps them partially alive. |
| 11:09:21 | George- | aren't there any, well, embedded ppc or stuff? |
| 11:09:27 | Speedy2 | PowerPC? |
| 11:09:30 | George- | yeh |
| 11:09:31 | Speedy2 | Yes, plenty. |
| 11:09:36 | George- | hmm |
| 11:09:36 | Speedy2 | But not sub 1W |
| 11:09:41 | George- | I want OS X on my PDA! |
| 11:09:42 | George- | =P |
| 11:09:51 | scanline | Speedy2: true. There's still a ways to go in peripheral power management though |
| 11:09:51 | Speedy2 | Mot was supposed to do something...but they're too dumb and slow |
| 11:10:15 | Speedy2 | scanline: Not really. Most low-power SoCs are smart about peripheral power management...since that's where the majority of the power savings comes from. |
| 11:10:22 | Speedy2 | That and clock distribution. |
| 11:10:25 | scanline | hmm |
| 11:10:33 | scanline | So what's left to improve? |
| 11:10:36 | scanline | Fuel cells! |
| 11:10:38 | Speedy2 | scanline: ISA |
| 11:10:51 | Speedy2 | scanline: Existing low-power SoCs are either MIPS, ARM or weirdo. That's bad. |
| 11:11:03 | Speedy2 | But then if you create your own, you have to mess with compilers |
| 11:11:10 | Speedy2 | GNU already sux for MIPS and ARM...so... |
| 11:11:28 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin everyone |
| 11:11:41 | Speedy2 | Unless it's R10K or above, for which SGI has backported some optimizations. |
| 11:12:42 | Speedy2 | scanline: What many SoC companies need to do is also re-design their own peripherals...they mostly buy off the shelf IP which *SUX* |
| 11:12:53 | Speedy2 | Big, FAT, bloated pieces of crap. |
| 11:13:09 | scanline | nods |
| 11:13:11 | Speedy2 | That's why USB was broken on the SA-1100...cause DEC bought it |
| 11:13:19 | Speedy2 | USB, and several other features. |
| 11:13:20 | scanline | It will be interesting to see where the low power SoC market goes... |
| 11:13:27 | Speedy2 | scanline: To hell in a handbasket? |
| 11:13:32 | scanline | maybe |
| 11:14:05 | scanline | Still, what we've got is probably an improvement over the 68328 :) |
| 11:14:09 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 11:14:22 | Speedy2 | If it were up to Shintel, we'd be using embedded x86 (barf) |
| 11:14:34 | Speedy2 | That is, until the SA IP fell into their laps |
| 11:15:00 | scanline | ugh |
| 11:15:23 | scanline | is glad all his portable stuff is non-x86 |
| 11:15:32 | Speedy2 | All the DEC people were so f'ing pissed to find out when Compcrap sold Alpha to Shintel |
| 11:18:40 | hunger | Which -march and -mcpu flags should I use to compile stuff for the Z? |
| 11:19:00 | Speedy2 | -march=strongarm110 or -march armv4 |
| 11:19:04 | Speedy2 | err |
| 11:19:08 | Speedy2 | -mcpu can be sa110 |
| 11:19:14 | Speedy2 | march should be armv4 |
| 11:19:32 | scanline | Speedy2: do you have a zaurus, ipaq, or both? |
| 11:19:35 | hunger | Speedy2: sa110? |
| 11:19:39 | Speedy2 | scanline: Neither. |
| 11:19:41 | hunger | Speedy2: Or sa1100? |
| 11:19:50 | scanline | ah |
| 11:19:58 | scanline | just curious |
| 11:19:59 | Speedy2 | hunger: Sa110 -- SA110, SA1100 and SA1110 use the same core, so they're instruction set compatible |
| 11:20:13 | Speedy2 | (they do have different MMUs and other stuff...) |
| 11:20:17 | hunger | Speedy2: Thanks! |
| 11:20:40 | Speedy2 | scanline: I've used both of them though. I know the innards of the iPaq pretty well too (at least 3600 series) |
| 11:22:07 | hunger | Damit! I keep getting bus errors with my libc on the Z:-( |
| 11:22:28 | Speedy2 | hunger: Bus errors are not good things...is your Z extremely hot? |
| 11:22:31 | hunger | Looks like gcc 3.1 does not produce working code for the Z. |
| 11:22:43 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 11:22:44 | hunger | Speedy2: Not really. |
| 11:22:45 | scanline | haha |
| 11:22:47 | Speedy2 | What a surprise |
| 11:23:25 | scanline | IIRC, arm-linux gives bus errors for unaligned memory accesses |
| 11:23:38 | hunger | scanline: Yeah. |
| 11:23:39 | Speedy2 | True. |
| 11:24:02 | hunger | scanline: But that shouldn't be caused by the code: The same code works compiled with gcc 2.95.x. |
| 11:24:07 | George- | back |
| 11:24:24 | scanline | hunger: optimization bug maybe? |
| 11:24:43 | hunger | scanline: Possible. But I did not set any options myself. |
| 11:24:52 | hunger | scanline: I have not checked what glibc sets. |
| 11:30:22 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: are you here by chance? |
| 11:33:05 | George- | why does Sharp claim the Zaurus has an SD slot? |
| 11:33:30 | Jerakeen | George-: It does? |
| 11:33:46 | George- | Jerakeen: It doesn't as far as I care |
| 11:33:53 | George- | Jerakeen: lol |
| 11:33:59 | George- | Jerakeen: It has an MMC slot :) |
| 11:34:26 | Jerakeen | George-: It does to the extent that it'll read SD cards, which have more pins, etc, so it'll physically take them. You don't get some of the advantages, but you can read the cards. What else would you call the slot? |
| 11:34:49 | George- | Jerakeen: It doesn't use the extra pins |
| 11:35:07 | Jerakeen | really? What are they for, then? |
| 11:35:20 | George- | faster transfer rates and copyright encryption |
| 11:35:31 | George- | so the transfer rate of the SD card is bottlenecked at the MMC standard |
| 11:35:35 | George- | afaik |
| 11:35:45 | Harlekin | Jerakeen: sd features DRM |
| 11:35:53 | George- | DRM? |
| 11:35:53 | Harlekin | Jerakeen: so you cannot listen to mp3s on it |
| 11:36:00 | George- | wth? |
| 11:36:01 | Harlekin | digital right management |
| 11:36:06 | George- | that sucks |
| 11:36:06 | Jerakeen | I've seen benchmarks clocking SD as faster. |
| 11:36:09 | Harlekin | you need to buy stuff |
| 11:36:11 | Jerakeen | I know there's no DRM, though. |
| 11:36:21 | Harlekin | Jerakeen: no on Zaurus |
| 11:36:26 | Harlekin | they did not implement that part |
| 11:36:29 | George- | lol |
| 11:36:31 | George- | Why? :) |
| 11:36:36 | Jerakeen | Harlekin: Yes, on the zaurus. |
| 11:36:37 | Harlekin | no idea |
| 11:36:39 | Harlekin | as lineo |
| 11:36:41 | George- | I would just like to have the extra speed |
| 11:36:43 | Harlekin | ask |
| 11:36:43 | hunger | Harlekin: DRM does not affect you if you have files not using it. |
| 11:37:01 | Harlekin | hunger: right, but actually you could not store files without it on it |
| 11:37:23 | Harlekin | hunger: RIAA and MS loves that stuff |
| 11:38:04 | hunger | Harlekin: I don't know how that stuff works on SD cards. |
| 11:38:18 | Harlekin | but that will be the future |
| 11:38:22 | Harlekin | drm everywhere |
| 11:38:26 | hunger | Harlekin: I guess hardly anybody does with all theose NDAs on it. |
| 11:38:29 | Harlekin | next windows for example |
| 11:38:46 | Harlekin | so you cannot listened anymore to media stuff you did not buy |
| 11:39:04 | hunger | Harlekin: That will not work out. |
| 11:39:17 | George- | Harlekin: what about linux? |
| 11:39:17 | Harlekin | on long term it might |
| 11:39:21 | George- | Harlekin: what's the future for linux? |
| 11:39:27 | hunger | Harlekin: You cannot sell stuff to people that restricts them. |
| 11:39:29 | Harlekin | George-: i am pretty sure it will not end up in the kernel ..) |
| 11:39:49 | Harlekin | hunger: depends, like in the US i am sure systems without it will fast get illegal |
| 11:39:59 | hunger | Harlekin: Well, maybe to businesses;-) |
| 11:40:06 | Harlekin | looks like all US senators ar sponsored by the RIAA and tohers |
| 11:40:26 | hunger | Harlekin: I don't care for US regulations. I don't live there. |
| 11:40:33 | Harlekin | me neither |
| 11:40:39 | Harlekin | but a lot of stuff is coming fromt here |
| 11:40:41 | Harlekin | not for linux |
| 11:40:44 | Harlekin | but for other OS |
| 11:41:21 | George- | heh, I don't care, I scrapped windows ages ago |
| 11:41:29 | George- | but with Mac OS *gasp* |
| 11:41:43 | Harlekin | who need macos |
| 11:42:45 | oob | os's that are not *nix are inconsequential |
| 11:42:59 | Harlekin | oob: macosx is *nix |
| 11:43:05 | George- | I'm talking about OS X |
| 11:43:21 | George- | I love OS X on my Mac |
| 11:43:34 | Harlekin | will change once you grow older |
| 11:44:02 | scanline | I like OS X in theory, but I stopped using it because the build tools are crap and it's slow |
| 11:44:11 | ljp | who's going to port darwin to the z? *grin* |
| 11:44:12 | hunger | oob: Statements like that allways make me wonder about the future of humankind. |
| 11:44:33 | Wintre | Statements like that are just dumb. |
| 11:45:22 | George- | scanline: heh, OS X 10.2 uses gcc 3.1 |
| 11:46:02 | scanline | George-: well.. the main thing that bugs me about the build tools (I haven't tried 10.2 I admit) is the automake/libtool is terribly broken and the gcc preprocessor is messed up |
| 11:46:36 | hunger | scanline: C uses a powerful preprocessor, commonly refered to as 'the programmer' |
| 11:46:37 | Harlekin | George-: they use gcc3.1 for their normal apps too? |
| 11:47:23 | scanline | George-: but with speed and memory usage of OS X, for example, I can barely run a couple programs on my iBook before it gets slow.. partially due to Aqua, partially the kernel, and HFS+.. on linux I can have 6 virtual desktops full of whatever I want and still have about 70% of my memory free |
| 11:47:38 | scanline | hunger: hah |
| 11:47:49 | George- | scanline: I know... |
| 11:47:52 | Harlekin | scanline: and aqua get ugly withthe time |
| 11:47:55 | George- | scanline: My tibook only just copes |
| 11:48:00 | Harlekin | scanline: looks like for kids |
| 11:48:20 | scanline | Harlekin: well, Aqua's look can be changed, but Apple tries to hide that from you |
| 11:48:34 | George- | scanline: can it? |
| 11:48:40 | George- | Harlekin: I disagree |
| 11:48:44 | hunger | Harlekin: The rendering engine is so nice! The actual GUI is something I don't care too much about. |
| 11:48:48 | George- | Harlekin: WinXP's Luna looks like for kids |
| 11:48:58 | Harlekin | George-: that too, same as aqua |
| 11:49:10 | scanline | George-: I forget the filename, but there's a big (few megabytes) resource file that has oodles of PICT resources for all the widgets and bits in Aqua |
| 11:49:13 | George- | lol |
| 11:49:23 | George- | what do you regard a "adult" theme, then? |
| 11:49:30 | scanline | George-: there are some tools for poking around in it, search versiontracker for "themepark" |
| 11:49:36 | George- | scanline: lol |
| 11:49:52 | George- | scanline: I thought aqua was done with code, not pixmaps? |
| 11:49:56 | scanline | haha.. Luna makes me barf |
| 11:49:56 | hunger | wonders wether there are X-rated GUIs:-) |
| 11:50:05 | scanline | George-: I did too, but apparently not |
| 11:50:22 | George- | scanline: it's bloody fast and high performance for a pixmap theme... |
| 11:50:23 | scanline | George-: All the talk of display postscript had me thinking that there was a .ps file somewhere in there that draws aqua buttons :) |
| 11:50:42 | | well, JasonNJ is quoted as saying: <JasonNJ> angry: I mainly sit on noidd's ass and listen to idiots on IRC |
| 11:50:42 | Harlekin | ibot: JasonNJ |
| 11:50:44 | hunger | scanline: It's Display PDF, not PS. |
| 11:50:53 | scanline | George-: well, pixmap themes are faster than vector graphics themes if you have tons of memory |
| 11:51:07 | scanline | George-: and OS X renders every window to an intermediate buffer before compositing them |
| 11:51:19 | George- | scanline: I'm talking about opposed to coded themes |
| 11:51:30 | George- | scanline: and I suppose the bottleneck in coded themes is the same as with vector |
| 11:51:32 | scanline | hunger: oops, I should have remembered that |
| 11:51:34 | George- | the CPU |
| 11:51:49 | George- | scanline: but what about in OS X 10.2? |
| 11:52:06 | George- | scanline: they claim that rendering the desktop with OpenGL makes it faster |
| 11:52:12 | scanline | George-: well, it's just a matter of whether it's actually generating the graphics or pulling them prerendered out of a file |
| 11:52:14 | George- | scanline: Does that mean they've changed to coded? |
| 11:52:38 | hunger | George-: I bet it is with the right graphics card. |
| 11:52:51 | scanline | George-: I haven't seen 10.2 in action yet, but it looks like they just use OpenGL to accelerate the compositing. So when you drag a window around the video card's doing all the work, but widgets are rendered by the CPU |
| 11:53:18 | hunger | George-: Fresco got a speedup by the factor of 7 rendering openGL compared to converting vectors to pixels before rendering. |
| 11:53:31 | scanline | George-: if it was otherwise, they wouldn't require so much video memory |
| 11:54:00 | George- | scanline: hmm |
| 11:54:13 | George- | scanline: 16MB is a bit of a lot just for rendering the desktop :) |
| 11:54:26 | hunger | scanline: I'd guess they are using textures for font-caching etc. |
| 11:54:38 | scanline | George-: My guess is that each window _is_ a texture |
| 11:54:47 | scanline | err, s/George-/hunger/ |
| 11:55:00 | scanline | hunger: that's the way the current Quartz engine works |
| 11:55:26 | scanline | hunger: hence it draws pretty fast with no glitches, but uses disgusting amounts of memory and memory bandwidth |
| 11:55:31 | hunger | scanline: that sucks. |
| 11:55:45 | scanline | doing compositing in the video card via opengl should help the memory bandwidth issue a lot |
| 11:56:30 | scanline | Keep in mind that I don't know the internals of Quartz, and my assumptions are based on what I've heard from a couple Mac-geek friends, and my own experiences with doing graphics similar to Quartz's |
| 11:56:48 | scanline | but it's the only explanation I can think of that makes sense |
| 11:56:54 | hunger | scanline: So are my assumptions about MacOS X:-) |
| 11:57:10 | scanline | hehe.. it's what has to do when the GUI is proprietary |
| 11:57:57 | scanline | Before I knew about OS X 10.2, I wrote a video driver for picogui that renders via OpenGL.. it can do some similar things to Quarts in 10.2 (supposedly) but needs lots of polishing to be useful |
| 11:57:58 | hunger | scanline: I could imagine that Apple turns the PDF generating the window into openGL displaylists and caches those. |
| 11:58:52 | scanline | hunger: that could be. But I'd bet they still display buttons as pieces of bitmaps spliced together, as the rendering to to buttons and such in realtime would be too much |
| 11:59:12 | ljp | gets to write some html document help today.. |
| 11:59:22 | Speedy2 | bbl later all, sleep then moving time. |
| 11:59:42 | hunger | scanline: It works well in fresco. Of course we have no real world apps yet;-) |
| 11:59:52 | scanline | bye Speedy2 |
| 12:00:06 | scanline | hunger: I need to look closer at fresco |
| 12:00:29 | benmeyer | morning |
| 12:00:44 | hunger | scanline: You will feel at home with the architecture imediently. The two projects are rather simular. |
| 12:01:52 | scanline | hunger: Yeah, I've read about fresco- uses CORBA as its client/server mechanism, based on a scene graph... |
| 12:02:40 | scanline | hunger: hmm.. just out of curiosity, does fresco use anything like picogui's theme engine? |
| 12:03:04 | scanline | I don't suppose fresco would have as much need to adjust the GUI to different display types |
| 12:03:35 | hunger | scanline: I'm not so firm with picogui terms. We use Kits (factories for graphic objects) and one of them is responsible to create Windows etc. |
| 12:04:04 | hunger | scanline: How those objects look and feel is encapsulated with the kits that generate them. |
| 12:04:58 | scanline | hunger: To keep content and presentation separate to make apps more portable to different embedded systems, picogui stores all video device or look-and-feel specific data in a theme. The theme is an object oriented database with a simple interpreted language to draw the graphics |
| 12:05:32 | scanline | So without themes, pgserver has no idea how big things are, how to draw them, or even what side of the screen things are on |
| 12:06:20 | scanline | hunger: I haven't seen anything quite like picogui's theme system, so I was curious if fresco had something like it |
| 12:06:50 | hunger | scanline: We do the same separation. But all graphics are stored in a device indepndent fvector format, so our server knows how big things are. |
| 12:08:05 | scanline | the object oriented aspect of picogui themes are cool too.. you can load multiple themes at once, so you may have one that defines most of the widgets to give it a general look and feel, then another theme that changes the sizing for a larger display, another theme to define a cursor or background... |
| 12:08:20 | scanline | We're even using themes to define characteristics of applications rather than built in widgets |
| 12:09:40 | hunger | scanline: Maybe we should move this to a more appropriate channel:-) |
| 12:10:06 | ljp | scanline: so what kinds of apps are available for picogui? |
| 12:10:14 | scanline | hehe.. sorry for the offtopicness :) |
| 12:11:00 | scanline | ljp: nothing big yet.. lots of little demo apps, terminal emulator.. a partially done launcher, port of x-chat, image viewer, some games, SDL.. |
| 12:11:14 | scanline | handwriting recognition, onscreen keyboard... |
| 12:13:08 | scanline | Everything's still far from a cohesive distribution. Haven't even made a numbered release yet :) |
| 12:15:23 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: Yup... was having lunch |
| 12:20:53 | Harlekin | anybody here who purchased tckvideo? |
| 12:22:28 | Cloudchaser | oh Twiun: how was your trip? and how is your girlfriend? |
| 12:33:12 | benmeyer | ljp_: did you want the refresh rate of the lcd? |
| 12:33:24 | benmeyer | or was that someone else? |
| 12:33:26 | benmeyer | warmi? |
| 12:33:39 | benmeyer | 72Hz |
| 12:34:08 | ljp_ | ya me.. cool thanks |
| 12:34:17 | ljp_ | makes a mental note |
| 12:35:14 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: Trip was difficult... still suffering from major jetlag |
| 12:35:26 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: As for the gf, she's better, healing now |
| 12:35:36 | BigBoss | Herlekin: do you need help with it? |
| 12:37:00 | Twiun | Hey BigBoss, got a question about your ksg product |
| 12:38:04 | Harlekin | BigBoss: id like to have the content of it |
| 12:38:10 | Harlekin | BigBoss: looks like ffmpeg is used |
| 12:38:12 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 12:38:31 | BigBoss | Twiun: yes? |
| 12:38:42 | BigBoss | Harlekin: the content of it? |
| 12:38:48 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: glad to hear she's healing |
| 12:38:57 | Harlekin | BigBoss: which lib is used |
| 12:39:39 | Twiun | BigBoss: We noticed only a linux version... what about win/solaris? |
| 12:39:47 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: Thanks ;-) |
| 12:40:14 | Harlekin | since the ffmpeg author contacted me |
| 12:40:25 | Harlekin | hm |
| 12:40:34 | Harlekin | looks like hes gonna take it appart |
| 12:41:07 | BigBoss | Twiun: KSG is a KDE app, so Win isn't going to happen and we don't have any Sun boxes |
| 12:41:20 | BigBoss | Harlekin: I just woke up about 3 minutes ago so I'm not following you |
| 12:41:28 | Harlekin | doesnt matter |
| 12:41:37 | Harlekin | i dont want to be involved in that stuff |
| 12:41:45 | Harlekin | was just curious |
| 12:42:00 | Twiun | BigBoss: Would you be interested in getting Solaris boxes loaned to you? (We're mainly a solaris shop) |
| 12:43:42 | BigBoss | Harlekin: involved in what? I'm not following any of this |
| 12:43:48 | BigBoss | Twiun: possibly |
| 12:44:24 | Harlekin | BigBoss: he said the simularity between the many playback errors in ffmpeg and them in your app are sooo simular |
| 12:44:40 | Harlekin | BigBoss: but afaih did you say that you did all the codecs on your own |
| 12:44:52 | Twiun | BigBoss: I understand there would need to be a business case - that's enough for me to start something more formal from my end ;-) |
| 12:45:18 | Harlekin | BigBoss: and /me was just curious |
| 12:47:40 | George- | hi Nadav |
| 12:47:58 | Nadav | hey george |
| 12:48:03 | Nadav | argh |
| 12:48:07 | Twiun | Hey Nadav |
| 12:48:09 | Nadav | so hot in here |
| 12:48:35 | Nadav | hiya Twiun |
| 12:53:09 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 12:53:23 | Twiun | Heya JasonNJ |
| 12:53:24 | Nadav | morning jason |
| 12:53:58 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Think Insignia will ever make a specification file for JavaCheck? |
| 12:54:54 | JasonNJ | dunno |
| 12:55:00 | Twiun | hehe |
| 12:57:00 | numatrix | Morning all |
| 12:57:10 | Twiun | Yo |
| 12:57:36 | numatrix | Anything interesting this morning? |
| 12:58:49 | | codemnky? |
| 12:58:49 | codemnky | ibot |
| 12:58:56 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 14 hours, 55 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: heh [Tue Jul 30 23:02:59 2002] |
| 12:58:56 | codemnky | ibot seen kergoth |
| 12:59:05 | benmeyer | How do you unbusy a file that is being used by vi? |
| 12:59:11 | codemnky | i got my sharp serial cable today |
| 12:59:16 | erikd | ben |
| 12:59:18 | erikd | err |
| 12:59:26 | Twiun | on the Z? |
| 12:59:36 | erikd | ben: remove the .file.extension.swp file in the dir with the file |
| 12:59:36 | benmeyer | yah |
| 12:59:48 | Twiun | remove the temporary file under /tmp |
| 12:59:54 | erikd | hmmm |
| 12:59:57 | erikd | nm :) |
| 12:59:57 | ljp_ | benmeyer: whenever I find myself in vi, I usually reboot.. to keep the bits clean ;) |
| 13:00:07 | codemnky | anyonw here know about serial cables/Z/modems |
| 13:00:14 | Twiun | erikd: yours works fine with vim ;-) |
| 13:00:16 | benmeyer | yah couldn't find the swp file that is.... |
| 13:00:30 | erikd | yeah, i dunno anything about the Z :) |
| 13:00:30 | erikd | well |
| 13:00:34 | erikd | not -much- |
| 13:00:54 | benmeyer | eh, will reboot |
| 13:01:04 | benmeyer | check out the new chick login screen :-D |
| 13:01:06 | pdq | codemnky: fire away |
| 13:02:15 | codemnky | here's the set up i want to try and i want to make sure i don't break anthing |
| 13:02:49 | codemnky | cell phone -> seriral cable -> null adapter -> serial cable -> zaurus |
| 13:03:11 | NetAmp | hmmm i like the ad campaign *grin* ;) |
| 13:03:34 | codemnky | should that work? |
| 13:03:36 | Wembly | chick login screen? |
| 13:03:42 | pdq | it may or may not work, but it is higly unlikely that something is destroyed |
| 13:03:50 | codemnky | ok |
| 13:03:51 | NetAmp | chick login screen? where? :D |
| 13:04:03 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 13:04:12 | pdq | at the RS232 end the sharp cable handles -+12 V just fine |
| 13:04:14 | numatrix | Just out of curiousity what does everybody here think about the prices of tkcVideo? |
| 13:04:15 | numatrix | http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=56&mode=nested&order=1&thold=0 |
| 13:04:31 | NetAmp | hm.. |
| 13:05:22 | codemnky | i like the people at radio shack, very helpful |
| 13:05:50 | codemnky | i think i will go there today tazer |
| 13:05:54 | codemnky | with a |
| 13:06:16 | ljp_ | I dont think $16 is too expa\ensive for any software |
| 13:06:41 | codemnky | do they do financing? |
| 13:06:52 | ljp_ | tkc? :) |
| 13:06:54 | BigBoss | numatrix: get it from www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvideo and save yourself some money |
| 13:06:58 | numatrix | ljp_ Exactly. |
| 13:06:58 | codemnky | i can $2 down and pay the rest over 4 years |
| 13:07:07 | numatrix | BigBoss: I know, I made that comment to the person complaining. |
| 13:07:53 | BigBoss | numatrix: who was complaining? I missed it |
| 13:07:57 | Harlekin | numatrix: or wait for opieplayer2 |
| 13:08:00 | Harlekin | next week |
| 13:08:11 | numatrix | BigBoss: did you read the z@ll link I posted above? |
| 13:08:15 | numatrix | Check the first comment. |
| 13:08:34 | numatrix | Harlekin: Is that when it's set to be released? Spiffy. Will it be able to play all the formats tkcVid does? |
| 13:08:51 | BigBoss | numatrix: checking |
| 13:09:08 | numatrix | Has anyone converted full length divx movies to 320x240? I'm curious how big a movie really would be. |
| 13:09:09 | Harlekin | numatrix: avi, ogg, wav, mp3, mpeg1, and some more, shoutcast a little bit later |
| 13:09:12 | Wembly | how smooth is the video? |
| 13:09:48 | Harlekin | numatrix: of course realvideo1 , but that wont help you |
| 13:09:52 | numatrix | Harlekin: Spiffy; shoutcast will be nice. I want streaming wireless radio in my pocket. :-) |
| 13:10:00 | Harlekin | realvideo1 do not exist anymore since 4 years |
| 13:10:05 | BigBoss | numatrix: we've done it and 90 minutes was about 120mb of mpeg4 compression |
| 13:10:08 | Harlekin | numatrix: you can use opieplayer1 |
| 13:10:20 | Harlekin | numatrix: that is out since a long time and has shoutcast |
| 13:10:39 | BigBoss | we are putting some links in the manual to find content and tools |
| 13:10:47 | Harlekin | numatrix: ah, quicktime too |
| 13:10:54 | BigBoss | it'd be nice if opie would work on things that tkc *isn't* doing for a change :) |
| 13:10:56 | numatrix | BigBoss: Perfect; and you could probably turn down the quality a little bit if you had a longer movie, I imagine. I need to find some good conversion tools. Anyone have any good linux links? |
| 13:11:17 | BigBoss | the only one I have at the moment is http://www.divx.com/divx/index.php |
| 13:11:17 | numatrix | Harlekin: Cool, I didn't know that. I kept trying to use zradio, but it wouldn't work with my icecast server. |
| 13:11:29 | Harlekin | numatrix: please try opieplayer1 |
| 13:11:31 | George- | BigBoss: bah, tkcRacer hasn't been released yet =P |
| 13:11:41 | numatrix | Harlekin: Ok, ok. I'll get on it. :-) |
| 13:11:48 | Harlekin | numatrix: if id does not work with the the your server, please report a bug |
| 13:12:35 | BigBoss | George-: working on it |
| 13:12:45 | George- | BigBoss: cool :) |
| 13:12:46 | Harlekin | BigBoss: games are good |
| 13:12:52 | Harlekin | BigBoss: new, innovative games |
| 13:13:00 | Harlekin | that are not just ports from gpl software |
| 13:13:03 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 13:13:32 | NetAmp | heh |
| 13:13:43 | NetAmp | gimme WipeOut :P |
| 13:13:44 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 13:14:13 | BigBoss | Harlekin: have you started on the video stuff for opieplayer2 yet? I think you might be in for a cruel surprise |
| 13:14:26 | Harlekin | BigBoss: its working in a window |
| 13:14:32 | Harlekin | BigBoss: fullscreen is missing yet |
| 13:14:38 | George- | BigBoss: you sick minded toad! |
| 13:14:45 | BigBoss | you tried it on a Z yet? |
| 13:14:50 | Harlekin | on ipaqs |
| 13:14:53 | George- | BigBoss: One of those screenies of tkcPlayer has filename "teens_undress" |
| 13:15:01 | Harlekin | BigBoss: you mean the color conversion? ,) |
| 13:15:20 | BigBoss | George-: I have no comment, these came from Russia :) |
| 13:15:27 | Nadav | lol |
| 13:15:29 | George- | BigBoss: who took the screenies? |
| 13:15:38 | George- | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvideo/_img/screenshots/newsnapshot02.jpg <--- The very bottom entry |
| 13:15:56 | BigBoss | I had no idea people were going to look at the screenshots so closely |
| 13:16:05 | George- | lol |
| 13:16:09 | numatrix | Good eyes, George- |
| 13:16:15 | George- | numatrix: lol |
| 13:16:17 | NetAmp | hah |
| 13:16:24 | George- | BigBoss: BUSTED! |
| 13:16:34 | George- | ;) |
| 13:16:47 | NetAmp | or: http://www.handango.com/include/pictures/94803/snapshot04.jpg |
| 13:16:53 | NetAmp | shows it more readable |
| 13:16:53 | numatrix | While we're busting him, everyone do a google for nikkinova1 and see what comes up. :-) |
| 13:16:59 | Harlekin | George-: issnt that illegal in teh USA? |
| 13:17:12 | George- | Harlekin: hmm? |
| 13:17:16 | NetAmp | there's also a xXx_DivX :P |
| 13:17:19 | Harlekin | teen porn |
| 13:17:35 | George- | Harlekin: I believe the ruling is that 18 and over is allowed |
| 13:17:42 | George- | I don't know =P |
| 13:17:43 | Nadav | yeah |
| 13:17:49 | NetAmp | *grinz* |
| 13:17:52 | Nadav | or 21 in some states (i think..) |
| 13:17:52 | George- | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvideo/_img/screenshots/newsnapshot04.jpg\ |
| 13:17:53 | George- | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvideo/_img/screenshots/newsnapshot04.jpg |
| 13:17:53 | BigBoss | xXx is the new Vin Diesel movie "tripple X" |
| 13:18:05 | George- | BigBoss: yeh...sure |
| 13:18:09 | ljp_ | 18? oh geezz I gotta break up withthat bith\ch.. :) |
| 13:18:09 | George- | :) |
| 13:18:16 | erikd | bigboss: i want! :) |
| 13:18:40 | George- | man, tkc is full of perverts! =P |
| 13:18:48 | Nadav | haha |
| 13:18:48 | George- | We've busted everyone! :) |
| 13:18:49 | numatrix | Umm, Harlekin, I'm having trouble even adding an item to a playlist in opie mpegplayer. I used the one from the zz/feed. That ok? |
| 13:19:10 | George- | btw - can the Z store MP3s on SD and play them? |
| 13:19:14 | NetAmp | yep |
| 13:19:16 | numatrix | George-: yes |
| 13:19:17 | NetAmp | it can |
| 13:19:18 | George- | cool |
| 13:19:22 | ljp_ | num: how are you trying to do it? |
| 13:19:26 | George- | so the DRM crap doesn't come into play? |
| 13:19:50 | numatrix | I'm trying to add a shoutcast stream link. |
| 13:20:01 | George- | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvideo/_img/screenshots/newsnapshot01.png <-- Hey "episode 2 clone war" |
| 13:20:07 | numatrix | I can't even figure out where to do it. |
| 13:20:14 | George- | or rather "episode2-clone-war" |
| 13:20:20 | warmi | hi |
| 13:20:22 | George- | hi warmi |
| 13:20:25 | Wembly | george: DRM? |
| 13:20:28 | George- | warmi: we busted BigBoss =P |
| 13:20:35 | George- | Wembly: Digital Rights Management or something |
| 13:20:37 | Wembly | ahh |
| 13:20:42 | ljp_ | num: File menu-> |
| 13:20:43 | cdm | morning. |
| 13:20:46 | Wembly | why cant tkcvideo play sd? |
| 13:20:51 | Wembly | or was that already asked? |
| 13:20:57 | George- | can't it? |
| 13:21:04 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 13:21:05 | numatrix | Wembly: speed issues, apparently. I asked yesterday. |
| 13:21:05 | Harlekin | numatrix: ? |
| 13:21:11 | Wembly | ahhh |
| 13:21:14 | Harlekin | numatrix: file menu -> add file or url |
| 13:21:18 | numatrix | Harlekin: I'm trying to play a shoutcast stream with opie-mpegplayer. |
| 13:21:21 | Wembly | how smooth is the video? |
| 13:21:35 | numatrix | Harlekin: No such menu item. Maybe I've got the wrong version. |
| 13:21:42 | George- | http://www.dpreview.com/news/0107/01072301ritdatacompactstor.asp <-- niiiccceee |
| 13:21:43 | Harlekin | numatrix: maybe yours is very old |
| 13:21:45 | Harlekin | ljp_: ping |
| 13:21:54 | benmeyer | how amusing |
| 13:21:56 | numatrix | Harlekin: File / Clear List - Add all audio files - Add all video files - Add all files - Save PlayList |
| 13:22:00 | benmeyer | the nikkinova1 serach on goole |
| 13:22:02 | numatrix | Must be. I got it from the zaurus zone feed. |
| 13:22:03 | benmeyer | google |
| 13:22:04 | | feed is probably a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 13:22:04 | numatrix | ibot feed |
| 13:22:23 | Harlekin | numatrix: try the one from wox maybe |
| 13:22:24 | George- | ibot search google for nikkinova1 |
| 13:22:25 | warmi | George-: ??/ |
| 13:22:28 | Harlekin | numatrix: or ask ljp_ |
| 13:22:28 | | George-: Google can't find nikkinova1 |
| 13:22:31 | Harlekin | numatrix: he has a Z |
| 13:22:49 | George- | warmi: hang on |
| 13:22:53 | numatrix | George-: Yes, it can. I just did. |
| 13:22:59 | benmeyer | warmi: get my e-mail? |
| 13:23:01 | numatrix | All are adult porn links. ;-) |
| 13:23:05 | benmeyer | yup |
| 13:23:08 | darienm | Why don't some of the handheld manufacturers just put microdrives INTO the machine? |
| 13:23:16 | George- | warmi: http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvideo/_img/screenshots/newsnapshot04.jpg <--- Look at the filelist |
| 13:23:19 | George- | warmi: =P |
| 13:23:26 | erikd | darien: it's -really- expensive :) |
| 13:23:31 | George- | erikd: because |
| 13:23:33 | benmeyer | because they head up and eat juice |
| 13:23:38 | warmi | benmeyer: yeah .. just got it , thank you |
| 13:23:41 | George- | erikd: a microdrive costs the same amount as the PDA? |
| 13:23:43 | George- | erikd: lol |
| 13:24:02 | George- | holy fuck |
| 13:24:08 | George- | google search for nikkinova |
| 13:24:10 | George- | is insane |
| 13:24:13 | warmi | George-: hehe .. yeah, I saw it last night. He had that screenshot on myzaurus.com hehe |
| 13:24:23 | George- | BigBoss: wtf have you got on your zaurus? =P |
| 13:24:43 | darienm | Casio sells digital cameras with 340MB microdrives. The entire cost is under $400 |
| 13:25:12 | George- | darienm: that's cos the 340MB microdrive is small cheap and shit :) |
| 13:25:28 | George- | http://202.139.253.98/movies/nikkinova1.mpg <-- Mwahahahahaha |
| 13:25:34 | George- | BigBoss: Is that the file? =PO |
| 13:25:35 | darienm | Its gotta be better than 32 megs of RAM, or a 128 MB SD card. |
| 13:25:39 | warmi | benmeyer: yeah ..pretty hight refresh rate. I kind of suspected that since accessing memory buffer was about 3 times slower than accesing system memory |
| 13:26:42 | warmi | theoretically, since framebuffer IS system memory, it should be the same as accesing any other region of mem but it was way slower ... LCD refresh slowing it down |
| 13:27:10 | BigBoss | George-: I got no idea, I don't have the file. Max took the screenshots. I've got some stuff from pocketvideo.net or something |
| 13:27:53 | George- | BigBoss: msmax? |
| 13:28:17 | Nadav | BigBoss: I would suggest taking new screenshots ;) |
| 13:28:38 | George- | BigBoss: and soon =P |
| 13:28:50 | numatrix | Anyone want to take what kind of google links come up on a search for karlakensington1? |
| 13:29:00 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: memo needs some addtional work |
| 13:29:06 | JasonNJ | to be perfect |
| 13:29:06 | numatrix | s/take/guess |
| 13:29:46 | JasonNJ | you need to be able to either tap on each entry to bring up the edit screen or hold down the stylus, like your other products |
| 13:29:51 | benmeyer | Yah I have a Casio camera with a microdrive in it. It is great. |
| 13:30:00 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: ok, I'll log it |
| 13:30:16 | numatrix | Let's see, from http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvideo/_img/screenshots/newsnapshot01.png we have 6 work-safe videos, 7 porn, and 3 unidentifieable. |
| 13:30:17 | cdm | warmi: LCD refresh will slow down everything, not just access to the area where the LCD is refreshing from. |
| 13:30:31 | JasonNJ | interface should be consistent so all your products behave the same |
| 13:30:49 | warmi | I know , but the degree of slowdown will depend on the refresh rate. This is what I was trying to communicate |
| 13:31:12 | warmi | uh .. cmd .. you mean even system memory ? |
| 13:31:22 | cdm | warmi: Yes, there is no difference. |
| 13:31:27 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: it was written by another engineer |
| 13:31:36 | cdm | warmi: The SA1110 has an internally arbitrated bus for accessing DRAM. |
| 13:31:38 | warmi | I have tested it and the writing to framebuffer IS about 3 times slower than reading, writing to other memory |
| 13:31:49 | cdm | warmi: It is the *same* memory. |
| 13:31:54 | NetAmp | whoa dudes |
| 13:31:57 | warmi | so why is it slower ? |
| 13:32:06 | NetAmp | Google search on nikkinova results in: http://www.adversus.net/models/nikki_nova/foto9.html |
| 13:32:09 | NetAmp | wahaha |
| 13:32:14 | BigBoss | they are only not work safe if the other people watch porn :) |
| 13:32:17 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: get max to do his magic on it |
| 13:32:25 | cdm | warmi: I dunno why it is slower - how are you mmaping it? Are you accessing it via the framebuffer device? |
| 13:32:30 | warmi | I had a code that was reading in words from the system memory and writing in hwords to framebuffer memory |
| 13:32:52 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: ego's |
| 13:32:52 | warmi | when I changed it to read in hwords from mem and write in words to framebuffer mem .. it got much faster |
| 13:33:11 | cdm | warmi: You can also really have fun by setting up the timing for the CF slot wrong - you can make the screen go "nuts" when trying to access the network. |
| 13:33:40 | warmi | cdm: I was playing with anything .. just 50 lines of ASM code doing transfers |
| 13:33:41 | cdm | warmi: But what I am telling you is that the SA1110's LCD controler uses the same DRAM as the rest of the system. You just point it at a address in DRAM to grab data from. |
| 13:33:48 | warmi | that'show I discovered this difference |
| 13:34:17 | cdm | warmi: The only thing I can think of is that that region will be set as non-cacheable by the kernel. |
| 13:34:26 | warmi | so basically, when LCD has its refresh cycle, it slows down entire memory? |
| 13:34:33 | cdm | warmi: yes. |
| 13:34:42 | cdm | warmi: same with the compact-flash read/write. |
| 13:34:58 | warmi | I think it is cachable |
| 13:35:12 | cdm | bbiab |
| 13:35:18 | warmi | or reading from the same location multiple times is way faster then reading from sequential locations |
| 13:35:32 | warmi | (talking about framebuffer memory) |
| 13:36:43 | warmi | but I kid you now .. it used to be the case with X86 archs that video memory was much slower than system mem simply because it was accesed by both CPU, and graphics adapter |
| 13:36:55 | warmi | so I assumed it was the same case with the Zaurus |
| 13:37:05 | warmi | (I kid you not ) |
| 13:37:29 | Wembly | warmi: *believes you* |
| 13:40:34 | cdm | warmi: right, on a PC "video memory" is a trick played by the bus. Not so on the SA1110. |
| 13:40:47 | warmi | cdm: are you familiar with how this stuff internall works on the Zaurus ? |
| 13:41:03 | cdm | warmi: The Zaurus is no different from any other SA1110 device. |
| 13:41:08 | cdm | warmi: I will be back in 40. |
| 13:41:12 | warmi | ok |
| 13:41:35 | dremspider | hey does Mazingo always take FOREVER to load |
| 13:41:35 | dremspider | "? |
| 13:41:46 | dremspider | To sync I mean? |
| 13:41:53 | dremspider | This is insane.... |
| 13:41:58 | numatrix | Harlekin: Is the opie-nethack newer than the nethack listed http://trolls.troll.no/warwick/nethack/ipk/ |
| 13:42:20 | Harlekin | no idea, could be |
| 13:42:28 | Harlekin | numatrix: does shoutcast work now? |
| 13:42:29 | dremspider | I have a 56k modem, but avantgo took maybe 5 minutes and I subscribed to more |
| 13:42:37 | numatrix | Harlekin: installing now... |
| 13:42:57 | Harlekin | numatrix: i dont care much about games |
| 13:42:58 | numatrix | Slow installing from the network feed. I had to install lib-opie too. |
| 13:43:05 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 13:43:08 | numatrix | Harlekin: Neither do I in general, but nethack is... nethack. :-) |
| 13:43:14 | Harlekin | aha .-) |
| 13:43:25 | Harlekin | ill wait for doom3 as next game to play |
| 13:43:51 | dremspider | Does lib opie speed op the process |
| 13:43:52 | dremspider | ? |
| 13:43:57 | dremspider | of mazingo |
| 13:44:05 | warmi | well, no matter what they do it won't have an impact it had the first time around |
| 13:44:14 | dremspider | This just IS NOT right |
| 13:44:25 | dremspider | It has been about an hour |
| 13:44:37 | dremspider | It is beta software, but still |
| 13:45:06 | numatrix | dremspider: What are you talking about? |
| 13:45:21 | dremspider | MAzingo is taking forever to sync |
| 13:45:32 | dremspider | I may just get a card reader |
| 13:45:50 | dremspider | That is what it said on the web site |
| 13:49:03 | numatrix | Anybody know if prboom can play doom2 wads? |
| 13:49:13 | erikd | i think so |
| 13:49:15 | numatrix | I don't remember the doom1 maps, but I bet I could still remember doom2. |
| 13:49:27 | numatrix | Guess I'll just go ahead and try. |
| 13:49:38 | BigBoss | max tells me http://free.x3.hu/adh/0_videos.html is a good place for movies |
| 13:50:08 | Harlekin | and for trailers www.pocketmatrix.com i heared |
| 13:51:15 | JasonNJ | where is .hu |
| 13:51:17 | JasonNJ | hungary? |
| 13:51:26 | NetAmp | yah i believe so.. |
| 13:51:35 | treke|home | might not want to go to that site at work |
| 13:51:40 | NetAmp | hah |
| 13:52:12 | Nadav | lol |
| 13:52:59 | pdq | I like http://www.archive.org/movies/ |
| 13:52:59 | warmi | uh .... I am sure max has no problem "purchasing" movies for $1 over there in Russia |
| 13:53:08 | NetAmp | wahaha |
| 13:53:10 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 13:54:00 | warmi | why bother with sites , when you can get stuff for next to nothing on your local flea market |
| 13:54:05 | codemnky | oh my god you have to be fucking kidding me! |
| 13:54:16 | numatrix | You ok there codemnky? |
| 13:54:20 | codemnky | i just bought the sharp serial cable |
| 13:54:40 | codemnky | i'm trying to do cell -> serial -> adapter -> serial -> zaurus |
| 13:54:48 | NetAmp | :) |
| 13:55:03 | NetAmp | cool |
| 13:55:06 | codemnky | and the clever folks at sharp made it so you can't use the keyboard if the serial adapter is plugged in |
| 13:55:14 | NetAmp | :( |
| 13:55:24 | codemnky | they could have easily made it possible |
| 13:55:26 | numatrix | codemnky: Yeah, I read that somewhere... |
| 13:55:32 | warmi | sounds like a cost saving measure |
| 13:56:04 | codemnky | i don't know |
| 13:56:10 | numatrix | http://zaurus.wynn.com/accessories/serial.html |
| 13:56:13 | codemnky | if you flip the plug it would work great |
| 13:56:36 | codemnky | jesus |
| 13:57:02 | warmi | uh .. I thought this is was a internal problem ( using serial with keyboard ) |
| 13:57:03 | codemnky | oh well, i guess i'll have to brush up on my stylus writting |
| 13:57:13 | codemnky | oh |
| 13:57:16 | codemnky | weord |
| 13:57:17 | codemnky | weird |
| 13:57:24 | warmi | but it is simply case of serial thingy physically blocking the keyboard .. that is just pathetic |
| 13:59:29 | codemnky | if i configure with the internet wizard |
| 13:59:37 | codemnky | how to i 'connect' |
| 13:59:47 | codemnky | once configured |
| 14:00:13 | pdq | you can't use sharp cable with wizard. wizard knows nothing about ttyS0 |
| 14:00:33 | codemnky | can you offer alittle assistance? |
| 14:00:51 | codemnky | point me in the right direction ... |
| 14:01:02 | pdq | I can tell you what I use |
| 14:01:15 | codemnky | what's your setup like? |
| 14:01:24 | codemnky | you know what i'm trying to do right? |
| 14:01:31 | pdq | same as yours |
| 14:01:38 | codemnky | oh cool! |
| 14:01:54 | codemnky | i'm all ears |
| 14:02:01 | pdq | it only works if i borrow the cell phone cable from my friend. my cable does not work |
| 14:02:21 | codemnky | ok |
| 14:02:37 | codemnky | i will prob be that lucky as well |
| 14:02:43 | pdq | first: make sure you can actually use ttyS0. Did you comment out the line about serialctl from inittab? |
| 14:02:54 | codemnky | i have'nt done anything yet |
| 14:03:06 | codemnky | checking |
| 14:03:10 | pdq | OK, then start with this |
| 14:03:13 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:03:22 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 16 hours, 23 seconds ago, saying: heh [Tue Jul 30 23:02:59 2002] |
| 14:03:22 | prpplague | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 14:03:25 | NetAmp | mornin' |
| 14:03:26 | Harlekin | numatrix: did it work? |
| 14:04:53 | codemnky | so i need to comment out pd:.../etc/sync/serialctl from inittab ? |
| 14:05:09 | pdq | yep, because it hogs ttyS0. |
| 14:05:24 | pdq | it tries to establish sync connection via serial |
| 14:06:03 | numatrix | Harlekin: actually, my Z hosed up when I installed the ipk. Crap. Lemme reboot. |
| 14:06:11 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 14:06:14 | pdq | after that do "init q" in terminal. needs to be done after eadch reboot also |
| 14:06:23 | numatrix | I need to use the OZ rom... |
| 14:06:31 | pdq | each |
| 14:06:40 | Harlekin | numatrix: OZ rom sounds good |
| 14:06:43 | numatrix | Crap, crap, crap. |
| 14:06:50 | numatrix | Umm, reboot didn't fix it. Crap. |
| 14:06:51 | Harlekin | numatrix: but no idea how good it really is |
| 14:06:57 | numatrix | My screen is really wierded out. |
| 14:07:07 | Harlekin | numatrix: about stuff like running opie apps on zaurus ask ljp |
| 14:07:12 | numatrix | I'm on the documents tab, I have no task bar, no icons, just text descriptions of my icons. |
| 14:07:23 | ljp_ | hmmmm?? whhaaa?? |
| 14:07:33 | numatrix | I got no clue; this is freaking wierd. |
| 14:07:51 | numatrix | Unresponsive to anything. I'm gonna try to reboot to a shell and ipkg uninstall ... |
| 14:08:07 | ljp_ | you running oz? |
| 14:08:11 | numatrix | Scratch that; not unresponsive to anything; I can turn the backlight on/off, and I can suspend it. No. |
| 14:08:15 | numatrix | Default sharp rom for the 5500. |
| 14:08:26 | ljp_ | and your installing what? |
| 14:08:48 | numatrix | opie-mediaplayer |
| 14:08:49 | NetAmp | reboot to a shell? |
| 14:08:50 | numatrix | and opie-lib |
| 14:08:55 | numatrix | Yeah. I'm gonna try that now. |
| 14:09:04 | codemnky | it been so long since i used vi on the Z i forgot how to eco |
| 14:09:05 | codemnky | ecp |
| 14:09:07 | codemnky | esp |
| 14:09:09 | codemnky | escape |
| 14:10:02 | pdq | use screen keyboard |
| 14:10:26 | Nadav | how much is 512mb CF? |
| 14:10:34 | numatrix | I think ipkg tried to install opie-base, opie-taskbar, and a ton of other things over top of the sharp rom |
| 14:10:39 | codemnky | cool |
| 14:11:05 | ljp_ | hmm if you used the feed probably so |
| 14:11:44 | numatrix | Dang. That explains why it was taking so long. |
| 14:12:40 | W|GG-Libranet | is back (gone 08:50:42) |
| 14:12:55 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:50:52) |
| 14:13:49 | Pitr | Nadav: 512MB CF, or 512MB Microdrive? |
| 14:14:15 | numatrix | That was less than pleasant. Removed all the opie packages. Now lets see what happens. Sitting at the boot screen. ARGH. |
| 14:14:56 | pdq | all the symlinks to your qtopia apps will be gone |
| 14:15:09 | numatrix | pdq: Apparently. |
| 14:15:27 | Nadav | Pitr: CF |
| 14:15:33 | numatrix | Can I get my wireless card working from the shell? |
| 14:15:36 | Pitr | Nadav: dunno then |
| 14:15:42 | pdq | it was discussed on zaurus-general a while ok. may be you can find it |
| 14:16:12 | Nadav | Pitr: ok |
| 14:16:19 | codemnky | i edited iniitab and canx out now it's busy and i can't find the lock file |
| 14:16:24 | codemnky | where would it be? |
| 14:16:40 | Pitr | Nadav: in the region of 200 USD |
| 14:17:01 | pdq | codemnky: did you init q to reread inittab? |
| 14:17:11 | codemnky | i need to still edit it |
| 14:17:14 | codemnky | and vi has it busy |
| 14:17:21 | codemnky | trying to find the swp file |
| 14:17:25 | pdq | ah |
| 14:17:31 | codemnky | where would it be? |
| 14:17:46 | ljp_ | maybe /tmp? |
| 14:17:52 | pdq | find / | grep .swp |
| 14:18:38 | codemnky | nothing |
| 14:18:39 | codemnky | weired |
| 14:18:42 | codemnky | rebooting |
| 14:20:09 | giminy | question....I'm in the middle of updating the kernel on my Z and doing the flashing, but both leds are staying on (they've been on for ~10 minutes now). Should I reset or will that bugger the eprom? |
| 14:21:33 | benmeyer | bla |
| 14:21:49 | benmeyer | has anyone here actually gotten on the zaurus via serial? |
| 14:21:57 | ljp_ | updatign the kernel? on the sharp rom? |
| 14:22:03 | giminy | just the kernel |
| 14:22:09 | ljp_ | which kernel? |
| 14:22:30 | giminy | the standard old embedix one from the japan website |
| 14:22:39 | giminy | 2.4.7-whatever |
| 14:22:43 | ljp_ | you compiled it yourself? |
| 14:22:46 | giminy | yah |
| 14:22:50 | hunger | giminy: Just retry to flash. SOmetimes it gets stuck for me. So far that did not cause problems. |
| 14:22:57 | numatrix | pdq: Any idea what the thread title will be. |
| 14:23:33 | pdq | numatrix: no, have to look it up at home |
| 14:23:53 | codemnky | pdq ok found it it was in tmp but under random name |
| 14:23:55 | codemnky | edited and run init q |
| 14:24:04 | codemnky | ran |
| 14:24:17 | numatrix | Here's another track; how do I back up all my PIM stuff to my SD card, and then hard-reset the zaurus to original config? |
| 14:24:21 | giminy | hunger: okie, so long as it won't break things :). Thanks. |
| 14:24:26 | codemnky | what next? |
| 14:24:36 | pdq | codemnky: allrite. now you shoul de able to use ttyS0 |
| 14:24:37 | hunger | giminy: I only said it did not for me so far. |
| 14:24:52 | pdq | find out the baud rate of your cell phone |
| 14:25:14 | codemnky | damn i have to reboot for that |
| 14:25:16 | codemnky | brb |
| 14:25:16 | NetAmp | Are there already apps that let you write words/sentences instead of just a letter at a time? |
| 14:25:28 | giminy | hunger: yah, well hopefully sharp did the right thing |
| 14:25:31 | codemnky | (don't go anywhere) |
| 14:25:33 | codemnky | :) |
| 14:25:52 | pdq | actually, i need to leave. will be back later from home. |
| 14:27:34 | codemnky | i have all those setting in XP |
| 14:27:36 | giminy | hunger: cool, looks like everything is good |
| 14:28:08 | codemnky | 19200 |
| 14:28:16 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 14:28:33 | NetAmp | sometimes Qtopia desktop crashes when syncing ToDo items |
| 14:28:34 | NetAmp | :( |
| 14:28:37 | NetAmp | (on WinXP) |
| 14:28:44 | | oob was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 45 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: os's that are not *nix are inconsequential [Wed Jul 31 12:42:45 2002] |
| 14:28:44 | cranch_ | ibot: seen oob |
| 14:28:51 | numatrix | Anybody know where in the file system the addressbook, calendar, etc data is stored? |
| 14:28:58 | sumeet_p | Qtopia is almost on the top of my list of worst applications |
| 14:29:04 | cranch_ | in OpenZ or SharpROM? |
| 14:29:11 | BigBoss | http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml |
| 14:29:15 | BigBoss | this is funny |
| 14:29:18 | numatrix | cranch_ Sharp. |
| 14:29:22 | BigBoss | numatrix: in files |
| 14:29:35 | numatrix | BigBoss: not exactly the kind of answer I was looking for. :-) |
| 14:29:41 | cranch_ | haha |
| 14:29:43 | cranch_ | an .xml file :) |
| 14:29:46 | codemnky | hmm |
| 14:29:49 | codemnky | where'd he go |
| 14:29:52 | numatrix | Yes, I even knew that... any idea of a path? :-) |
| 14:29:54 | ljp_ | num: ~/Applications/ |
| 14:29:54 | numatrix | Pretty please? |
| 14:29:58 | NetAmp | sumeet_p: what would you like to run instead then? X? |
| 14:29:59 | numatrix | Thanks LunohoD_ |
| 14:30:02 | Harlekin | BigBoss: why doesnt tcktodo use the normal xml files? |
| 14:30:02 | numatrix | Whoops. |
| 14:30:09 | numatrix | Wrong tab completion. Thanks, ljp. |
| 14:30:32 | codemnky | can any one here help me setup a modem on my Z's serial port? |
| 14:30:40 | sumeet_p | NetAmp: I'm not criticizing Qt, but the Qtopia Palmtop or whatever they call it that runs on the desktop |
| 14:30:46 | sumeet_p | likes Qt |
| 14:31:04 | NetAmp | sumeet_p: ok me too ;) hehe |
| 14:31:50 | NetAmp | I gotta go eat dinner, good luck y'all ;) |
| 14:32:49 | numatrix | What would be the tar syntax to backup the Applications directory? |
| 14:32:53 | BigBoss | harlekin: where did you get tkctodo? |
| 14:33:07 | numatrix | cd /home/root; tar -c Applications* > temp.tar |
| 14:33:08 | numatrix | ? |
| 14:33:21 | cranch_ | busted |
| 14:33:31 | angry | why does my connection go off like this |
| 14:33:33 | angry | jezas |
| 14:33:50 | Harlekin | BigBoss: i dont have it |
| 14:33:55 | Harlekin | BigBoss: just heard that |
| 14:33:57 | cranch_ | haha |
| 14:34:22 | | I haven't seen 'pqa', codemnky |
| 14:34:22 | codemnky | ibot seen pqa |
| 14:34:27 | | I haven't seen 'paq', codemnky |
| 14:34:27 | codemnky | ibot seen paq |
| 14:34:30 | codemnky | hmm |
| 14:34:33 | codemnky | what was his name? |
| 14:34:47 | codemnky | who was helping me a sec ago |
| 14:35:39 | numatrix | codemnky: pdq... |
| 14:35:52 | angry | pdq = Pretty Darn Quick |
| 14:36:12 | | pdq was last seen on #zaurus 10 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: actually, i need to leave. will be back later from home. [Wed Jul 31 15:25:52 2002] |
| 14:36:12 | codemnky | ibot seen pdq |
| 14:36:17 | codemnky | darn it |
| 14:36:39 | umopapisdn | BigBoss: What's the problem with SD cards that hinders them to be used with tkcVideo? Not fast enough or? |
| 14:36:52 | codemnky | anyone here please point me in the right direction to set up a serial modem on my Z |
| 14:36:53 | numatrix | umopapisdn: apparently, yeah. Not fast enough. |
| 14:37:06 | sumeet_p | is ready to trash the Z or SanDisk over SD cards |
| 14:37:34 | ljp_ | sd doesnt like illegal files |
| 14:38:24 | numatrix | ljp_: Heh; I don't think that's the problem... ;-) |
| 14:38:31 | ljp_ | hehehe I know |
| 14:38:38 | sumeet_p | anybody would like to recommend an SD card that works with the Z? |
| 14:38:51 | umopapisdn | numatrix: hmmm, for reading too...bummer... i've only noticed the hickups they get when writing, but not reading. |
| 14:40:51 | BigBoss | umopapisdn: they only implement 1 data channel, they can't move data fast enough |
| 14:41:08 | | roge99 was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 10 hours, 12 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: lol [Tue Jul 30 05:28:52 2002] |
| 14:41:08 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99 |
| 14:41:12 | | roge99_laptop was last seen on #zaurus 20 hours, 25 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: sup codemnky [Tue Jul 30 19:16:02 2002] |
| 14:41:12 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99_laptop |
| 14:41:22 | numatrix | How do I hard-reset my Z? |
| 14:41:25 | codemnky | bigboss could you offer assistance? |
| 14:41:27 | umopapisdn | BigBoss: Is that only a limitation in the current driver from Sharp or? |
| 14:41:29 | sjohnson | sumeet_p: I use a Lexar 32 MB SD card w/o problems. |
| 14:41:54 | BigBoss | umopapisdn: I'm not sure if it is hardware or software |
| 14:41:58 | BigBoss | codemnky: what do you need? |
| 14:42:11 | codemnky | i'm trying to set up a modem on my Z's serial connection |
| 14:42:19 | sumeet_p | sjohnson: I got a SanDisk 128MB and lot of grief |
| 14:42:27 | codemnky | cell -> serial -> adapter -> serial -> Z |
| 14:42:31 | BigBoss | codemnky: stop right there - I have no idea |
| 14:42:48 | codemnky | i think it like setting up a normal serial modem under linux |
| 14:42:49 | umopapisdn | sumeet_p: i've got a SanDisk 128MB SD card that works nicely. :) |
| 14:42:49 | sumeet_p | sjohnson: thanks |
| 14:42:55 | codemnky | but i have'nt done that either |
| 14:42:58 | sumeet_p | umopapisdn: really!!! |
| 14:43:08 | sumeet_p | damn it, just my luck |
| 14:43:16 | umopapisdn | sumeet_p: one of the old batch i guess. lucky me... :) |
| 14:43:19 | ljp_ | someone post something on /. and I'll mod them up |
| 14:43:30 | scanline | is away: not counting the total absence of antisheep |
| 14:43:42 | sumeet_p | umopapisdn: can you please read the model no. from the card for me |
| 14:44:22 | sumeet_p | umopapisdn: mine is "0206LQ" |
| 14:45:17 | umopapisdn | sumeet_p: mine is 0201LM. |
| 14:45:22 | sumeet_p | ahhh |
| 14:45:46 | numatrix | How do I hard-reset the Z? |
| 14:46:14 | BigBoss | step on it really hard |
| 14:46:32 | umopapisdn | numatrix: Open the battery cover and press the little button there. |
| 14:47:13 | ljp_ | I got some weirdly acting floats going on... |
| 14:48:15 | umopapisdn | So has anyone here (besides BigBoss of course) tried tkcVideo yet? |
| 14:48:40 | ljp_ | you'd think that a division would give me a nice float instead of something like 4.0000 |
| 14:48:44 | BigBoss | umopapisdn: Cloudchaser has it |
| 14:49:14 | | I haven't seen 'pdf', codemnky |
| 14:49:14 | codemnky | ibot seen pdf |
| 14:49:15 | BigBoss | I know some others do, but I forget who |
| 14:49:17 | | pdq was last seen on #zaurus 23 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: actually, i need to leave. will be back later from home. [Wed Jul 31 15:25:52 2002] |
| 14:49:17 | codemnky | ibot seen pdq |
| 14:49:31 | Gimmy | Hi all. Anyone know where are docs for backing up Zaurus b4 installing OpenZaurus for eval? |
| 14:49:57 | toolafial | Gimmy : just use the backup restore utility in the system tab |
| 14:50:28 | numatrix | umopapisdn: Thanks. |
| 14:50:51 | Gimmy | toolafial: Check, will do. Thanks :) |
| 14:50:54 | numatrix | umopapisdn: umm, which button |
| 14:51:07 | numatrix | umopapisdn: I don't see any unless it's under the battery. |
| 14:51:34 | numatrix | umopapisdn: nm, found it |
| 14:52:01 | BigBoss | umopapisdn: you have any particular questions on tkcVideo or just want to get a customers opinion? |
| 14:52:31 | kergoth` | hey all |
| 14:52:36 | prpplague | morning |
| 14:54:29 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 14:54:30 | darienm | kergoth`: You think I'll have an OZ ospack by tomorrow? |
| 14:54:57 | darienm | kergoth`: and good morning! |
| 14:55:06 | umopapisdn | BigBoss: no, i was just curious on how the z is capable of handling the data, if it's powerful enough. just figured you would be somewhat biased.... :) |
| 14:55:26 | darienm | biased, BigBoss? Nah. |
| 14:55:32 | umopapisdn | :) |
| 14:55:34 | darienm | Oh, and buy some more tkc software. |
| 14:55:41 | angry | lol |
| 14:55:41 | darienm | or you're BOTH losing money. |
| 14:55:51 | kergoth` | hah |
| 14:55:56 | kergoth` | darienm: possibly.. if i get time |
| 14:56:03 | erikd | bigboss: are those menus you use in the tkc apps a custom widget or a standard one? |
| 14:56:08 | darienm | sugar, make kergoth` a cup of time |
| 14:56:08 | Sugar | pours some time from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth`. |
| 14:56:14 | erikd | (the ones with the pics on the left) |
| 14:56:25 | kergoth` | wooo |
| 14:56:26 | kergoth` | time |
| 14:56:34 | darienm | erikd: huh? |
| 14:56:36 | angry | lol |
| 14:56:41 | darienm | erikd: nm |
| 14:56:46 | erikd | :) |
| 14:57:00 | kergoth` | erikd: they just use a QStyle of their own. |
| 14:57:14 | erikd | ah |
| 14:57:40 | angry | BigBoss: what is sharp's excuse for not buying some of your tkcapps and putting them into their ROM? |
| 14:57:58 | ljp_ | kergoth: we need more like a keg of tim, not just a glass |
| 14:57:58 | numatrix | Probably can't afford the licensing... :-) |
| 14:58:10 | ljp_ | keg of time even |
| 14:58:24 | angry | i'd sell my Z if it werent for third party software and knowing where to find it |
| 14:58:43 | ljp_ | angry: probably because they dont adhere to letting the user pick a style |
| 15:00:03 | angry | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005MIS8/bensbargaicenter/103-3357515-7516621 |
| 15:00:10 | angry | if you're a big spenda |
| 15:00:11 | angry | hehe |
| 15:00:18 | BigBoss | angry: they don't really have one |
| 15:04:29 | tgall_foo | kergoth around? |
| 15:08:49 | kergoth` | tgall_foo: yep, hey |
| 15:09:10 | tgall_foo | hey ya kergoth`! |
| 15:09:16 | kergoth` | how goes it? |
| 15:09:38 | tgall_foo | ummm I'm in makefile hell ... not sure how I got there... but I'm getting the following U busybox/SPECS/busybox.spec |
| 15:09:38 | tgall_foo | /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 15:09:52 | tgall_foo | so basically what's the first thing that happends after a cvs checkout? |
| 15:10:11 | kergoth` | err |
| 15:10:13 | kergoth` | is confused |
| 15:10:21 | kergoth` | try again please, i havent had my coffee yet |
| 15:10:24 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 15:10:25 | tgall_foo | should have taken a left turn at albaqueque |
| 15:10:29 | tgall_foo | hehe |
| 15:10:38 | tgall_foo | ok ... doing a make package |
| 15:10:51 | tgall_foo | cvs checkout completes.... so in the order of things ... what's next? |
| 15:11:13 | tgall_foo | that /bin/sh message comes right after the last checkout message |
| 15:11:14 | kergoth` | cvs checkout of what? what are you making? |
| 15:11:20 | kergoth` | ahh.. |
| 15:11:21 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 15:11:22 | kergoth` | well |
| 15:11:27 | tgall_foo | it's one of my own packages |
| 15:11:31 | kergoth` | 1) it checks out from cvs and drops it into sources/dl/ |
| 15:11:35 | tgall_foo | k |
| 15:11:38 | kergoth` | 2) it cp -a's it over to build/ for building |
| 15:11:52 | kergoth` | 3) it goes into build/blah and runs BinaryCmds |
| 15:11:57 | tgall_foo | hmmm |
| 15:12:00 | kergoth` | 4) it runs the Install cmds |
| 15:12:02 | tgall_foo | well the sources are in sources/dl |
| 15:12:07 | ljp_ | I'm so bad a math, my division is coming out in whole numbers |
| 15:12:09 | tgall_foo | looks like the cp -a didn't fire |
| 15:12:09 | kergoth` | are they in build/ |
| 15:12:11 | kergoth` | ? |
| 15:12:13 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 15:12:34 | kergoth` | tgall_foo: does a build of busybox or ipkg succeed? |
| 15:12:46 | kergoth` | tgall_foo: that is, is it somethiong about your .mk, or something broken in the templates |
| 15:12:48 | kergoth` | heh |
| 15:12:56 | tgall_foo | good question |
| 15:13:59 | kergoth` | tgall_foo: so try make busybox; |
| 15:14:02 | kergoth` | woo |
| 15:14:11 | kergoth` | I found a userspace util to manipulate sa1100 registers |
| 15:14:27 | kergoth` | then I dumped the contents of every register on 2.4.6 and compared to my 2.5.26-rmk1-cl1 |
| 15:14:39 | kergoth` | now to parse the diff and see what I have yet to do |
| 15:15:57 | hunger | kergoth`: I'm rather sure now that gcc 3.1.1 preSomethingDebian produces buggy code on arm. |
| 15:16:06 | kergoth` | hunger: ack |
| 15:16:18 | kergoth` | hunger: define buggy |
| 15:16:28 | hunger | kergoth`: Giving a bus error. |
| 15:16:28 | kergoth` | hunger: the SIGBUS (bus error) issue? |
| 15:16:31 | kergoth` | ah yeah |
| 15:16:46 | kergoth` | hunger: so you think its fucking up the memory access.. its unaligned? |
| 15:16:47 | hunger | kergoth`: I'm trying the official 3.1.1 now. Maybe that will work. |
| 15:16:52 | kergoth` | hunger: k |
| 15:16:56 | kergoth` | weird. |
| 15:17:24 | hunger | kergoth`: It does not build glibc 2.4.4 from OZ (plus --disable-sanity-checks |
| 15:18:45 | hunger | kergoth`: Well, it does build it, but the result gives bus errors. |
| 15:26:13 | jmhodges | hey codemnky |
| 15:26:17 | codemnky | hey |
| 15:26:18 | jmhodges | hey George- |
| 15:26:19 | cranch_ | anyone here an AIX hacker? |
| 15:26:25 | jmhodges | lol |
| 15:26:26 | cranch_ | I need the root password to my RS6000 |
| 15:26:30 | codemnky | you know how to set up a serial modem jmh? |
| 15:26:43 | jmhodges | codemnky: ooo golly gee codemnky :) no sorry |
| 15:26:53 | codemnky | ok |
| 15:27:01 | George- | hey jmhodges |
| 15:27:15 | George- | cranch_: RS6000? |
| 15:27:21 | George- | cranch_: IBM Mainframe? |
| 15:27:43 | jmhodges | hey Cloudchaser |
| 15:27:52 | George- | hi Cloudchaser |
| 15:28:02 | George- | Cloudchaser: Don't install XFree86, heh |
| 15:28:14 | George- | Cloudchaser: It makes yer apm go mental |
| 15:33:32 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok |
| 15:33:44 | Cloudchaser | have to run to meeting cya all in a couple hours |
| 15:34:22 | cranch_ | yup George |
| 15:38:34 | George- | cranch_: Power3? |
| 15:38:39 | George- | cranch_: What arch? |
| 15:38:48 | kolla | howdy.. anyone with tip on what's wrong when after flashing to openzaurus, all I get when starting the zaurus is the openzaurus penguin-drake and a blinkink prompt? on the CF I have both initrd.bin bootflag.txt and zImage |
| 15:40:22 | George- | penguin-drake? |
| 15:40:37 | kolla | the opie/openzaurus logo :) |
| 15:40:45 | kolla | very cute :) |
| 15:40:49 | George- | lol |
| 15:41:05 | cranch_ | PowerPC |
| 15:41:05 | kolla | but that doesnt help when it doesnt move on and boot the thing :) |
| 15:41:06 | cranch_ | 166 |
| 15:41:08 | George- | sounds like a screwed up kernel |
| 15:41:09 | cranch_ | 603e |
| 15:41:13 | George- | cranch_: oooooh |
| 15:41:29 | George- | kolla: are you sure you installed the correct kernel? |
| 15:41:30 | cranch_ | kolla..it takes awhile the first time |
| 15:41:38 | kolla | George-: not really |
| 15:41:53 | George- | kolla: which zImage did you install? |
| 15:42:15 | kolla | George-: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=43045 |
| 15:42:30 | kolla | tried both 32-32 and 40-24 |
| 15:42:37 | George- | right |
| 15:42:42 | George- | which zaurus do you have? |
| 15:42:46 | kolla | SL5500 |
| 15:42:50 | kolla | 64MB of ram |
| 15:42:55 | kolla | so those should work |
| 15:43:03 | kergoth` | kolla: the kernel flashed fine, its likely dying trying to mount the initrd |
| 15:43:10 | kergoth` | kolla: so make sure the initrd.bin isnt corrupt |
| 15:43:15 | kolla | yes |
| 15:43:20 | George- | kolla: do a md5sum on initrd.bin |
| 15:43:25 | kergoth` | kolla: as cranch says, it takes a bit to mount at first.. |
| 15:43:29 | kolla | it is supposed to be named initrd.bin and not just initrd? |
| 15:43:30 | George- | yes |
| 15:43:33 | kergoth` | yep |
| 15:43:37 | kolla | ok, good |
| 15:43:42 | George- | unless you have the 32MB or 64MB kernel |
| 15:43:50 | George- | kergoth`: fixed the 32M and 64M kernels yet? |
| 15:44:06 | kolla | George-: yes, which brings me to.. what do one boot from when using those kernels? |
| 15:44:15 | kolla | CF card? |
| 15:44:18 | kergoth` | George-: well, its a bug in freset, that only affects those kernels. roge99 sent me the fix, i'm waiting to release a new initrd with that and with the backed out security fix. |
| 15:44:19 | George- | ? |
| 15:44:26 | kergoth` | kolla: hmm? |
| 15:44:30 | George- | kergoth`: ahhh, ok |
| 15:44:31 | umopapisdn | kolla: you're sure you renamed the zImage-whatever to zImage? |
| 15:44:33 | George- | prpplague: ping |
| 15:44:35 | kergoth` | kolla: those kernels use flash as expected. |
| 15:44:41 | kolla | umopapisdn: yup |
| 15:44:46 | kergoth` | umopapisdn: they're getting the pingizauru logo, so the kernel flashed fine |
| 15:45:06 | umopapisdn | kergoth`: that's what i get for just reading the end of something. :) |
| 15:45:10 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 15:45:14 | George- | kergoth`: is that what that wannabe-overfed-tux is called? Pingizauru? |
| 15:45:18 | kolla | it's the initrd that is the problem |
| 15:45:30 | kergoth` | George-: yeh, godzilla penguin is called pingizauru |
| 15:45:35 | kergoth` | George-: its a creation of whardier's |
| 15:45:35 | George- | lol :) |
| 15:45:43 | kolla | pingizauru.. ok :) |
| 15:45:46 | kergoth` | kolla: yeah its failing to mount the rootfs i'd say |
| 15:45:56 | George- | wonders if whardier is the same sorta dimensions as the pingizauru =P |
| 15:46:07 | kergoth` | kolla: as someone suggested, do a md5sum on the initrd.bin on the CF |
| 15:46:16 | kergoth` | kolla: confirm its not corrupt |
| 15:46:18 | kergoth` | hey codemnky |
| 15:46:20 | kolla | also I found a newer initrd.bin but that didnt help either |
| 15:46:22 | codemnky | hey |
| 15:46:34 | codemnky | i can't get it to work, i have no idea what i'm doing |
| 15:46:35 | kergoth` | kolla: ? there's only one 2.9.4 initrd.bin. |
| 15:46:36 | George- | 'lo codemnky |
| 15:46:46 | kolla | guess I could try to mount it underl inux on the laptop |
| 15:46:49 | kergoth` | codemnky: does the modem reply with OK after using minicom to connect? |
| 15:46:50 | George- | kergoth`: there's a second by ljp, iirc |
| 15:46:58 | kergoth` | George-: ? |
| 15:46:58 | JasonNJ | kergoth:how goes Mr. Kernie |
| 15:46:59 | George- | kergoth`: With some security fixes or something |
| 15:47:05 | George- | kergoth`: I'm not sure =P |
| 15:47:07 | codemnky | i can't seem to be able to type ok |
| 15:47:13 | kergoth` | ljp: ping |
| 15:47:18 | George- | ljp: ping! |
| 15:47:19 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: well, i found a sweet utility |
| 15:47:19 | George- | :) |
| 15:47:21 | kolla | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/OpenZaurus/ |
| 15:47:22 | codemnky | is there another way to test besides minicom |
| 15:47:25 | kolla | the one from there |
| 15:47:39 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: it lets me manipulate registers on the sa11x0 and locomo and scoop chips from a user space command line utility |
| 15:47:53 | kergoth` | kolla: you sure you're waiting long enough? |
| 15:47:56 | JasonNJ | wow, where did you find that |
| 15:47:59 | kolla | oh yes :) |
| 15:48:02 | kergoth` | kolla: it can take up to like 30 seconds for it to mount |
| 15:48:08 | George- | kergoth`: That link that kolla provided is ljp's one, iirc |
| 15:48:13 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: searching the archives of linux-arm-kernel mailing list |
| 15:48:16 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: heh |
| 15:48:21 | kolla | it's been blinking next to me here since I came on :) |
| 15:48:28 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: i used it with a shell script to dump the output of every single register |
| 15:48:30 | kergoth` | kolla: blinking? |
| 15:48:32 | JasonNJ | so locomo and scoop arent proprietary? |
| 15:48:35 | kergoth` | kolla: it shouldnt blink. |
| 15:48:41 | George- | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/sl5x00_mic.htm <-- cool |
| 15:48:41 | codemnky | beside minicom how else can i test kergoth? |
| 15:48:44 | kolla | yes, as I said there is something that looks like a prompt blinking on it |
| 15:48:47 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: well, they are.. i know waht the registers are, but i have no documentation for them |
| 15:48:48 | kolla | at the bottom |
| 15:49:04 | kolla | I have tried to type, but no letters show |
| 15:49:07 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: so anyway, i dumped the output of ALL the registers to a file |
| 15:49:11 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: on 2.4.6 .. |
| 15:49:18 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 15:49:19 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: then i compared it to the 2.5.26-rmk1-cl1 that wont turn on the leds. |
| 15:49:23 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: then i did a diff |
| 15:49:26 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 15:49:37 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: so now I'm parsing it to determine EVERY difference.. to find out what work i have left to do :-) |
| 15:49:51 | JasonNJ | wow, captain codebuster man |
| 15:50:13 | prpplague | George-: what up |
| 15:50:17 | prpplague | George-: ? |
| 15:50:38 | George- | prpplague: you are the X11 dude, right? |
| 15:50:51 | codemnky | kergoth`: is there another way to test besides minicom? |
| 15:51:02 | prpplague | George-: not THE dude, but a dude, yes... |
| 15:51:12 | George- | prpplague: lol, ok |
| 15:51:22 | George- | prpplague: anyway, the X11 really screwed around with my apm |
| 15:51:30 | George- | prpplague: heh |
| 15:51:40 | George- | prpplague: are there any ways that I can replace the zapmd with a more recent version? |
| 15:51:40 | kolla | what filesystem are the initrd.bin? minix? |
| 15:51:50 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: so I printed out the diff.. and i sit here with a highlighter determining the uses of all the registers.. fun stuff. hehe |
| 15:51:53 | kergoth` | codemnky: cat? |
| 15:51:56 | kergoth` | kolla: jffs2. |
| 15:52:03 | kergoth` | kolla: it can only be used on a MTD device |
| 15:52:10 | codemnky | how does one do that? |
| 15:52:12 | JasonNJ | how many registers do you gotta go thru? |
| 15:52:14 | codemnky | what do you mean? |
| 15:52:14 | prpplague | George-: you can got to the rc dirs and find the startup for zapmd and kill it, you'll then revert back to the original version |
| 15:52:14 | kergoth` | kolla: so you cant just loopback mount it |
| 15:52:16 | warmi | kergoth`: you mean ARM regs ? |
| 15:52:20 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: well, 4 pages worth printed out |
| 15:52:22 | kergoth` | warmi: yes |
| 15:52:24 | JasonNJ | holy crap |
| 15:52:34 | JasonNJ | you have that many to fix |
| 15:52:36 | JasonNJ | ? |
| 15:52:39 | kergoth` | warmi: I'm comparing 2.4.6 to mine to determine what i'm not setting to turn the damn leds on |
| 15:52:43 | warmi | yeah 4 sets of regs .. from 0-14 |
| 15:53:03 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: well some of it is known.. for example, I know for a fact IrDA isnt set up yet for example, so those registers are set to default right now |
| 15:53:13 | kolla | kergoth`: ok |
| 15:53:20 | warmi | kergoth`: and you doing it by comparings regs ? hmm |
| 15:53:25 | kergoth` | warmi: well i'm comparing the registers on the sa1110, locomo, and scoop with the 2.5.26 |
| 15:53:32 | kergoth` | warmi: the locomo and scoop chips arent documented |
| 15:53:39 | warmi | ah chips |
| 15:53:41 | kergoth` | warmi: i have no idea what half the registers are for for gods sake |
| 15:53:43 | kergoth` | warmi: yeah |
| 15:53:45 | kolla | anyone got an md5sum of "latest working initrd.bin"? :) |
| 15:53:53 | warmi | I thought you were talking about CPU |
| 15:53:55 | kergoth` | warmi: the sa1110 itself is pointless, i know what i have and havent set up yet |
| 15:53:58 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 15:54:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:54:14 | George- | prpplague: hmm? |
| 15:54:15 | kergoth` | warmi: i'm missing something in my init of one of these chips.. which is why the fucking leds wont turn on |
| 15:54:17 | kergoth` | heh |
| 15:54:18 | JasonNJ | kergoth`: you ever find out what the deal with the mtdram was? |
| 15:54:27 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: ? |
| 15:54:39 | JasonNJ | you had some jffs2 mounting issues |
| 15:54:48 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: ah yeah.. mtdram = ramdisk.. |
| 15:54:55 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: I still havent nailed that one down |
| 15:55:02 | George- | prpplague: no, I want to be able to use both X11 and Qpe |
| 15:55:03 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: I took a break from that to finish up the audio drivers and leds and keyboard |
| 15:55:34 | George- | prpplague: or better still, that stuff that lets me run X11 on Opie |
| 15:55:48 | JasonNJ | you were able to get the framebuffer to init? |
| 15:55:49 | kolla | also.. the bootflag.txt .. is it supposed to contain RLV5 or is it OZ30? |
| 15:55:51 | ljp_ | damn integers... |
| 15:55:54 | George- | kergoth`: what's all this I keep hearing about X11 on Opie? |
| 15:56:00 | kergoth` | kolla: doesnt matter. |
| 15:56:02 | kolla | runlevel 5 sounds normal |
| 15:56:05 | kolla | ok |
| 15:56:10 | kergoth` | kolla: but i'd recommend oz30 or some other nonvalid set of 4 characters |
| 15:56:15 | warmi | X11 is evil .. but we all know and agree on that , are we not ? |
| 15:56:17 | kolla | ok |
| 15:56:17 | warmi | :=-) |
| 15:56:20 | kergoth` | kolla: as there's no reason to hardcode the runlevel. the inittab file sets it just fine. |
| 15:56:59 | kolla | actually, it seems the checksum of the "new" initrd.bin and the oz3 b10.4 one are identical |
| 15:57:16 | kolla | so I guess they're the same |
| 15:57:18 | kergoth` | hah |
| 15:57:19 | kergoth` | guess so |
| 15:57:37 | kolla | :) |
| 15:57:51 | George- | warmi_away: X11 is a very outdated technology, with too much legacy crap in it |
| 15:57:55 | kolla | are you able to do a md5sum of initrd.bin? |
| 15:59:04 | kergoth` | kolla: hold on.. dont have the stock one handy, mine's all hacked up for testing |
| 15:59:12 | kolla | I have downloaded several times now and always get the same.. 89ebe82f3a94c17d8801b8c66ba9322c |
| 15:59:20 | kolla | :) |
| 15:59:39 | kergoth` | have you tried just reflashing? |
| 15:59:39 | kolla | George-: hear hear.. :) |
| 15:59:44 | kolla | a few times yes |
| 15:59:46 | warmi_away | yeah .. of course, my gripe with it is with the stuff that some people consider to be its greatest advantage .. like lack of built in toolkit, completely busted implementation of WM etc |
| 15:59:49 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 15:59:54 | kolla | can always test again :) |
| 16:00:04 | kergoth` | warmi_away: personally, i despise its font handling especially |
| 16:00:07 | kergoth` | heh |
| 16:00:12 | warmi_away | yeah , that too |
| 16:00:23 | George- | warmi_away: X11 has it's own built in toolkit... |
| 16:00:26 | kolla | here we go again.. |
| 16:00:29 | warmi_away | whoever came up with this nonsense was surely on crack |
| 16:00:43 | kolla | *flashing* |
| 16:00:46 | warmi_away | George-uh .. and what would that be ? |
| 16:00:51 | George- | uhm |
| 16:00:54 | George- | I can't remember it's name |
| 16:01:00 | George- | hang on |
| 16:01:14 | warmi_away | you mean this Xintristic or whatever this crap is called ? |
| 16:01:17 | kolla | are there any other irc clients than zic btw? |
| 16:01:26 | warmi_away | kolla: tckJabber |
| 16:01:30 | kolla | ah yes |
| 16:01:37 | kolla | jabber |
| 16:01:49 | warmi_away | it does irc I believ |
| 16:01:52 | warmi_away | believe |
| 16:01:58 | kergoth` | ive heard its irc sucks though |
| 16:02:01 | kolla | ircii should be very simple to port :) |
| 16:02:02 | George- | warmi_away: no |
| 16:02:08 | prpplague | George-: you will be able to use both x and qt at the same time, just won't be able to suspend directly from x |
| 16:02:10 | kergoth` | kolla: someone ported bitchx... ;-) |
| 16:02:11 | George- | warmi_away: xlib is a toolkit, isn't it? |
| 16:02:14 | prpplague | George-: or control the backlist |
| 16:02:14 | kolla | hehe |
| 16:02:19 | prpplague | George-: or control the backlight |
| 16:02:27 | cranch_ | someone ported BitchX? where |
| 16:02:30 | | hmmm... zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 16:02:30 | cranch_ | ibot: zsi |
| 16:02:32 | kergoth` | kolla: our md5sums match up, fyi |
| 16:02:35 | ljp_ | note to self.. divding integers in c++ is not like in perl |
| 16:02:35 | George- | prpplague: Control the backlight in Opie? |
| 16:02:41 | kolla | kergoth`: ok |
| 16:02:43 | kergoth` | cranch_: check the zaurus sf project, i thought it was there |
| 16:02:47 | warmi_away | George-: no ... it is just a buncho of primitives + some very low level event handling functionality |
| 16:02:48 | cranch_ | cool |
| 16:02:51 | HomerG | If I may ask a question. I start Qtopis desktop from the command line and I seem to go through a loop of connecting then reconnecting. The only apparent error is "FileSystemOperator::pdaHomeDir received call but not mine versionInfo(QString)". Could someone point in the right direction as to the cause of this? |
| 16:02:52 | prpplague | George-: sorry, suspend or control the backlight from x |
| 16:02:53 | cranch_ | thanks ker. |
| 16:02:56 | George- | warmi_away: lol, ok |
| 16:02:58 | kergoth` | cranch: np |
| 16:03:13 | George- | prpplague: ok, but I can still do everything in Opie just like in "normal" opie? |
| 16:03:23 | prpplague | George-: yes |
| 16:03:41 | George- | prpplague: where can I get it :) |
| 16:03:49 | prpplague | George-: i've got a complete document url at home, i'll teach sugar or ibot for it later tonight |
| 16:03:50 | George- | prpplague: I don't care *how* experimental it is =P |
| 16:03:53 | kolla | there.. done flashing.. |
| 16:03:56 | kolla | lets see |
| 16:04:09 | George- | kolla: you sick person! don't flash in public! |
| 16:04:40 | kolla | remove card, press reset, close the battery slot, click to normal.. power on |
| 16:05:06 | kolla | George-: bah, I flash whener I feel like it :) |
| 16:05:13 | George- | lol |
| 16:05:29 | kolla | there it is again.. the pingizaurus |
| 16:05:38 | kolla | and the blinking cursor |
| 16:05:44 | kolla | teaser |
| 16:05:49 | kolla | oh.. it boots! |
| 16:06:02 | kolla | what I did different now, I really dont know :) |
| 16:06:09 | benmeyer | has anyone connected to oz via serial? |
| 16:06:31 | kolla | smaller font... sexy |
| 16:06:33 | prpplague | benmeyer: haven't been able to find a serial cable |
| 16:06:43 | kergoth` | benmeyer: yes |
| 16:06:55 | benmeyer | trying from a winme laptop |
| 16:06:56 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:07:14 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 16:07:23 | benmeyer | that dual boots to linux |
| 16:07:31 | benmeyer | couldn't get it working there, so tried windows. |
| 16:07:35 | benmeyer | couldn't get it working there either |
| 16:07:47 | kergoth` | benmeyer: elaborate on "couldn't get it working" |
| 16:08:18 | benmeyer | don't fully know, to the best of my knoledge I couldn't even cat data across the line |
| 16:08:28 | benmeyer | from what you told me yesterday |
| 16:08:35 | benmeyer | got a different cable, same thing |
| 16:08:39 | kergoth` | err |
| 16:08:42 | kergoth` | odd |
| 16:08:47 | kergoth` | stty -a < /dev/ttyname |
| 16:08:48 | kergoth` | on both ends |
| 16:08:52 | kolla | "Welcome to Opie" :) |
| 16:09:00 | kergoth` | make sure the settings match up.. baud rate, data bits, stop bits, parity |
| 16:09:05 | kergoth` | kolla: congrats |
| 16:09:10 | kolla | thanks =) |
| 16:09:24 | kolla | ah.. terminal is installed per default.. |
| 16:09:28 | kolla | finally! :) |
| 16:09:38 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 16:09:46 | kergoth` | yeah i finally partially automated the package installs into the rootfs |
| 16:09:50 | kergoth` | so i wouldnt forget shit |
| 16:09:52 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 16:09:56 | George- | kergoth`: Do you know where I can get this opie on X thing? |
| 16:10:04 | kergoth` | George-: bipolar's page |
| 16:10:13 | George- | ahh ok |
| 16:10:27 | | i think bipolar is getting married on the 29th of june at 3pm ET. |
| 16:10:27 | George- | ibot bipolar |
| 16:10:29 | kergoth` | George-: fyi its linked to off of the ipkgfeeds wiki page in handhelds.org |
| 16:10:45 | George- | kergoth`: it's also linked off opie.hh.org |
| 16:10:51 | kergoth` | ah |
| 16:10:53 | George- | http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ <-- right? |
| 16:10:55 | kergoth` | yep |
| 16:11:03 | kolla | readwrite / |
| 16:11:06 | kolla | ah... |
| 16:11:13 | ljp_ | doesnt understan why anyone would blastfamy and put X on opie |
| 16:11:25 | kergoth` | kolla: fyi http://opie.handhelds.org/ has a link to the Opie user manual. read it :-) |
| 16:11:29 | George- | kergoth`: that's the keypebble server thing |
| 16:11:42 | kolla | I assume the softlink hell of sharpzaurus is gone? :) |
| 16:11:45 | George- | kergoth`: which links up to X via vnc and runs an X session... |
| 16:11:46 | kergoth` | George-: yeah. there's ONE way to run X on top of opie. thats to use the Xvnc deal |
| 16:11:56 | kergoth` | George-: otherwise you run them side by side |
| 16:12:05 | kergoth` | George-: with x11zaurus, as you've done |
| 16:12:13 | kergoth` | kolla: yes, absolutely |
| 16:12:14 | George- | kergoth`: ok, what's this new and exciting way that prpplague keeps talking about? :) |
| 16:12:26 | kergoth` | kolla: there are only 3-4 symlinks for compatibility with sharp (i.e. /home/root -> /root |
| 16:12:40 | kergoth` | George-: uh, its x11zaurus without the mess you see it in |
| 16:12:43 | kolla | kergoth`: yes, I had opie installed on sharpzaurus earlier, wiped out /home/* and pointed everything to /mnt/card/ :) |
| 16:12:47 | kergoth` | hah |
| 16:12:51 | cranch_ | damn you AIX |
| 16:12:56 | kolla | but it sucked too much :) |
| 16:12:59 | benmeyer | What does init q do? |
| 16:13:06 | fusion94 | cranch_: redundant |
| 16:13:07 | prpplague | George-: its simply a nice installation x from the buildroot package |
| 16:13:09 | kergoth` | benmeyer: causes init to rehash the inittab |
| 16:13:12 | George- | ahhh |
| 16:13:13 | George- | ok |
| 16:13:15 | kergoth` | benmeyer: necessary for any inittab change |
| 16:13:19 | George- | prpplague: where do I get it from? :) |
| 16:13:32 | benmeyer | ok hmmm |
| 16:13:40 | prpplague | George-: sorry not finished yet, having a few glitches, maybe by sunday afternoon |
| 16:13:44 | ljp_ | c++ should be more like perl |
| 16:13:54 | George- | prpplague: what! no cvs snapshots? :) |
| 16:15:41 | prpplague | George-: unlike my work, i'm not releasing jack until i can feel that its a respectable product |
| 16:15:56 | George- | damn... lol |
| 16:16:08 | George- | it's gotta be better than perlow's x11zaurus |
| 16:16:09 | George- | I dunno |
| 16:16:14 | George- | Who's perlow? :) |
| 16:16:31 | lioda | Hi ! |
| 16:16:43 | lioda | Somebody use OpenZaurus ? |
| 16:16:49 | kolla | anyone actually tried running anything intent/TAO-AmigaDE on zaurus? :) |
| 16:16:56 | George- | lioda: kergoth` is the OZ boss =P |
| 16:17:03 | ljp_ | lioda: yes, I do |
| 16:17:03 | George- | kolla: what's that? |
| 16:17:24 | lioda | Ok ! Nice :) |
| 16:17:38 | lioda | I try to find a soft to send my emails under OpenZaurus |
| 16:17:52 | prpplague | George-: where did you see a x11zaurus that had perlows name on it? |
| 16:18:45 | George- | prpplague: I can't remember |
| 16:18:50 | George- | prpplague: Perhaps it wasn't him then |
| 16:18:58 | George- | prpplague: He might have only made the announcement |
| 16:19:08 | prpplague | George-: ahh ok |
| 16:19:11 | kolla | btw.. when running opie on sharp rom I didnt manage to connect to my cellular via IrDA |
| 16:19:19 | kolla | is it ok normally? |
| 16:19:22 | kergoth` | kolla: irda should work fine now |
| 16:19:26 | kolla | ok, cool |
| 16:19:28 | kergoth` | kolla: beaming should work also |
| 16:19:35 | ljp_ | lioda: email apps in opie arent really working, so you'd have to get pine for arm or something like that, or grab the sharp emailer from your rom |
| 16:19:38 | kolla | ok, allthought I rarely use beaming |
| 16:19:46 | kergoth` | stupid undocumented locomo |
| 16:19:46 | kolla | got a wlan card |
| 16:19:50 | kergoth` | shoots LoCoMo |
| 16:20:26 | kolla | the d-link card sucks though.. the "head" of it is too big, cannot use it along with headphones, not take the stylus in/out |
| 16:20:30 | hunger | kergoth`: Which toolchain do you use? |
| 16:20:43 | kergoth` | hunger: currently? erikm's 2.95.3 |
| 16:20:43 | asel | how should i do to use openssl library in c++? |
| 16:20:56 | kergoth` | kolla: yes i know, i have one of those beasts :-) |
| 16:20:59 | kergoth` | kolla: wokrs pretty well though |
| 16:21:07 | hunger | kergoth`: Where can I get it? |
| 16:21:36 | kergoth` | hunger: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ .. Developer link.. scroll down to Toolchains.. click the link that mentions "courtesy of erik mouau" or something like that |
| 16:21:44 | kergoth` | hunger: I always forget how to spell erikm's last name |
| 16:21:55 | kergoth` | ah well |
| 16:22:21 | asel | how should i do to use openssl library in c++? can anyone answer? |
| 16:22:29 | kolla | kergoth`: indeed, I just bring everything along at work.. put in the card and power cord and log in through ssh :) |
| 16:22:31 | kergoth` | asel: the same way you use it in C |
| 16:23:01 | kergoth` | asel: or write a c++ wrapper for the c function calls if you like.. regardless there's nothing special about using it with c++, as i understand it |
| 16:23:05 | kolla | kergoth`: also have apache with php installed, the idea is to make a web frontend to the addressbook etc :) |
| 16:23:14 | asel | kergoth`: thanks |
| 16:23:24 | kergoth` | kolla: hah nice.. i want boa to support php.. its so much more lightweight than apache |
| 16:23:40 | kolla | indeed |
| 16:24:15 | kolla | well.. if you could port the cgi version of php, then everything would be dandy |
| 16:24:37 | kolla | it could even be usefull just for scripting in general |
| 16:24:44 | kergoth` | kolla: true that |
| 16:25:09 | kolla | uhm.. some qt/php thing.. heh |
| 16:25:20 | kolla | there is a gtk/php think going on I know |
| 16:25:42 | kolla | oh well .. opie-sh does fine for me for now :) |
| 16:26:07 | Zylogue | howabout python for Zaurus. has anyone seen anythign about that? |
| 16:26:14 | kolla | yes, there is python |
| 16:26:20 | kolla | it's a tad biig though :) |
| 16:26:21 | kergoth` | Zylogue: yes, there's python.. and PyQT |
| 16:26:25 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 16:26:29 | kolla | at least pyQT was immense |
| 16:26:43 | kolla | 4.5MB or thereabouts |
| 16:26:47 | Zylogue | coool will ahve to look into it. |
| 16:26:59 | kergoth` | shit i wish grep -r had an option to not follow symlinks |
| 16:27:06 | ljp_ | benmeyer: did you write that script for grabbing hancom into an ipkg? |
| 16:27:13 | Zylogue | I am a new Z owner. |
| 16:27:20 | numatrix | ljp_: yeah, he did |
| 16:27:40 | kergoth` | Zylogue: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ is the definitive software registry for the Z |
| 16:27:55 | Zylogue | wheneve I plug it into the cradle, it does not start the networking. and I am not sure what I have done to 'break it' |
| 16:28:09 | benmeyer | ljp_: yup |
| 16:28:26 | kolla | btw.. any tip on speeding up the .. search time on SD/MM and CF cards? |
| 16:28:32 | ljp_ | canyou do other's? like for java and emailer and such? |
| 16:29:01 | numatrix | ljp_: I believe the standard invitation is to email him a list of files needed and he'll make the ipk. |
| 16:29:18 | numatrix | benmeyer: Not to reply for you or anything... ;-) |
| 16:29:18 | kergoth` | kolla: search time? |
| 16:29:25 | benmeyer | that is ok |
| 16:29:53 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 16:29:56 | kergoth` | needs more coffee |
| 16:30:57 | ljp_ | ahh.. ok.. I'll do that then.. |
| 16:31:00 | kolla | kergoth`: yes, like.. most apps seem to use a "scanning filesystem" to find documents or whatever instead of letting me point them in correct directory |
| 16:31:24 | kergoth` | kolla: ohh.. yes most apps use the Documents system |
| 16:31:34 | kergoth` | sugar make me a coffee |
| 16:31:34 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth`. |
| 16:32:37 | kolla | kergoth`: any idea wether a 512MB card would work? I have ordered one, with the backup that I can sell it on to a friend of mine for his camera if it fails to work on my zaurus |
| 16:33:03 | kolla | CF card that is |
| 16:35:07 | kolla | hm.. the wlan card keeps flashing |
| 16:35:17 | kolla | it's link led that is |
| 16:35:22 | kolla | its |
| 16:35:56 | kergoth` | kolla: hmm, there's been no changes to the wireless stuff since the last release except for a fixed wlansetup app.. it should work.. |
| 16:38:09 | kolla | is ah,, iwconfig |
| 16:38:14 | kolla | then I'm game :) |
| 16:38:38 | djk | Anybody here using Qtopia Desktop? I am trying to find where the calendar and address book data files are stored to be able to ftp into the Zaur |
| 16:38:56 | benmeyer | you can ftp the files off |
| 16:39:04 | kergoth` | kolla: if using iwconfig and ifconfig and dhcpcd manually brings it up, let me know.. then we have something wrong with the pcmcia scripts id say |
| 16:39:16 | kolla | ok, will do |
| 16:39:27 | kergoth` | kolla: i really despise the pcmcia subsystem |
| 16:39:37 | kergoth` | kolla: the day it starts using Hotplug, i'll be a happy camper |
| 16:39:41 | djk | yes, but where are the data files store for qtopia widows desktop? |
| 16:39:44 | kolla | hm.. it's set to mode master for some odd reason |
| 16:39:49 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 16:39:51 | kergoth` | thats odd |
| 16:40:04 | kergoth` | kolla: check /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts first of all.. |
| 16:40:11 | kergoth` | heh |
| 16:40:28 | kolla | ok |
| 16:40:33 | cranch | djk.... under Documents and Settings --> .qtopiadesktop or sometihng |
| 16:40:44 | cranch | its in your Docs and Settings folder |
| 16:40:45 | kergoth` | kolla: fyi, we have syslogd & klogd.. so you could run them both, pop the card and reinsert and check /var/log/messages for stuff from cardmgr |
| 16:41:04 | kergoth` | kolla: which kernel are you using btw? |
| 16:41:19 | kolla | looks ok |
| 16:41:23 | kolla | 40+24 |
| 16:41:28 | kergoth` | ah cool |
| 16:41:29 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 16:42:28 | kolla | now it's online :) |
| 16:42:34 | kergoth` | kolla: manually? |
| 16:42:36 | kolla | yes |
| 16:42:40 | kergoth` | cool |
| 16:42:45 | kergoth` | now, wtf is wrong with the scripts |
| 16:42:47 | kergoth` | heh |
| 16:43:23 | kolla | maybe ... hm.. *testing* |
| 16:43:29 | kergoth` | k :-) |
| 16:43:41 | kergoth` | drags pcmcia-cs out back and shoots it |
| 16:44:22 | kolla | nah.. putting MODE="Managed" that is.. with quotes.. didnt help |
| 16:44:29 | kolla | tried pulling card out and back in |
| 16:44:34 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 16:44:46 | kolla | and now it is Master again : |
| 16:44:48 | kolla | :) |
| 16:44:51 | kolla | weird |
| 16:44:51 | kergoth` | weird. |
| 16:44:58 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 16:45:18 | kergoth` | kolla: kill cardmgr. pop the card, reinsert. then manually run /etc/pcmcia/network start wlan0 debug (assuming lsmod shows prism2) |
| 16:45:22 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: hey |
| 16:45:31 | [DrEvil] | has questions |
| 16:46:16 | [DrEvil] | when I try and build cross-binutils for buildroot.... |
| 16:46:26 | [DrEvil] | it bitches about dpkg-architecture |
| 16:46:41 | [DrEvil] | as I am not a debian beatnik... |
| 16:46:44 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: the toolchain build is still debian dependent |
| 16:46:47 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: we're working on it |
| 16:46:58 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: for now, stick to a regular toolchain like the embedix one |
| 16:47:15 | [DrEvil] | which I have |
| 16:47:32 | [DrEvil] | what parts of the buildroot should I not build |
| 16:47:43 | [DrEvil] | cross-* debianutils |
| 16:47:46 | [DrEvil] | anything else |
| 16:47:56 | kergoth` | nothing else offhand |
| 16:48:03 | kergoth` | for a stock openzaurus initrd do a make openzaurus |
| 16:48:09 | kergoth` | but yeha, the rest should build |
| 16:48:17 | kergoth` | anything else that doesnt build let me know and ill fix |
| 16:48:35 | [DrEvil] | have you thought of adding BlueZ to buildroot? |
| 16:48:50 | kergoth` | yeah thats a good idea |
| 16:48:55 | kergoth` | do you have the build commands offhand? |
| 16:49:07 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 16:49:07 | kergoth` | to crosscompile it i mean |
| 16:49:11 | kergoth` | k, i'll play |
| 16:49:22 | [DrEvil] | there are some ipk's at the bluez site |
| 16:49:34 | [DrEvil] | more than just the one ipk that guy has released |
| 16:49:38 | kergoth` | ah |
| 16:50:01 | [DrEvil] | and then someone released yet another BT stack |
| 16:50:05 | kolla | kergoth`: /var/lib/pcmcia/stab: No such file or directory |
| 16:50:13 | kergoth` | kolla: err |
| 16:50:20 | kergoth` | kolla: that gets created on every boot |
| 16:50:29 | kergoth` | kolla: does /root/.var_default.tar exist? |
| 16:50:32 | kolla | it's gone now :) |
| 16:50:35 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 16:50:35 | kergoth` | odd |
| 16:50:58 | kolla | only thing in there is scheme |
| 16:51:05 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 16:51:10 | kolla | lets see what's in the tat file |
| 16:51:47 | kolla | no stab in there |
| 16:51:55 | kergoth` | is stab supposed to be a text file or a dir? |
| 16:52:09 | [DrEvil] | http://bluez.sourceforge.net/download/zaurus/ |
| 16:52:19 | kolla | heh.. no idea, lets see on the tinkerpad I have |
| 16:52:21 | kergoth` | k |
| 16:52:47 | kergoth` | cat $RUN/stab | cleanup |
| 16:52:50 | kergoth` | looks like its a text file |
| 16:53:00 | kolla | no use.. it doesnt even have a /var/lib/pcmcia :) |
| 16:53:36 | kolla | isnt it sometihng that is created by cardmgr? |
| 16:53:44 | kergoth` | i thought so.. |
| 16:53:51 | kolla | well.. I killed cardmgr :) |
| 16:53:55 | kergoth` | oh yeah |
| 16:53:56 | kergoth` | is a moron |
| 16:54:25 | George- | kergoth`: I know :) |
| 16:54:28 | kergoth` | start it, insert the card, and after it flips it to Master run /etc/pcmcia/network stop wlan0, then killall dhcpcd, then /etc/pcmcia/network start wlan0 debug; |
| 16:54:33 | | ACTION shoots george in the head. |
| 16:54:33 | kergoth` | ibot: shoot george |
| 16:54:34 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 16:54:42 | George- | lol |
| 16:54:57 | JasonNJ | what the hell, someone is working on a Dungeons and Dragons character generator for Qtopia |
| 16:55:06 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 16:55:06 | JasonNJ | I havent played D and D for a zillion years |
| 16:55:07 | [DrEvil] | the iptables part of buildroot goes into a loop on downloading |
| 16:55:15 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: guess who it is |
| 16:55:16 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: verxion is, right? |
| 16:55:20 | kolla | start it? start what.. cardmgr? :) |
| 16:55:22 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: hmm |
| 16:55:24 | kergoth` | kolla: yeah |
| 16:55:28 | JasonNJ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1557.png |
| 16:55:31 | kergoth` | kolla: /etc/init.d/pcmcia start |
| 16:55:48 | [DrEvil] | it downloade 4 copies of the same file before I killed it |
| 16:55:50 | kolla | exaclty |
| 16:55:53 | kolla | tl |
| 16:56:05 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: hmm wtf |
| 16:56:07 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: let me try that |
| 16:56:11 | JasonNJ | I didnt know people actualy PLAYED AD&D anymore |
| 16:56:21 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 16:56:27 | JasonNJ | I think I actually played my last game of that in JUNIOR high school |
| 16:56:41 | [DrEvil] | there are still hardcore players |
| 16:56:43 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: hahaha |
| 16:56:45 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: dood |
| 16:56:45 | kolla | aha |
| 16:56:47 | kolla | found bug |
| 16:56:49 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: its using a freshmeat url.. |
| 16:56:55 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 16:57:01 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: and the freshmeat url sees that we're trying to get 1.2.5 .. but sends us 1.2.6a |
| 16:57:07 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: the buildroot is expecting 1.2.5 to appear |
| 16:57:13 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: but it doesnt, so it keeps trying |
| 16:57:13 | JasonNJ | weilds his +4 vorpal avenger |
| 16:57:20 | George- | how do I rotate the x11zaurus? |
| 16:57:20 | kergoth` | kolla: what is it? |
| 16:57:22 | kolla | in network.ops: 14: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ;;) :) |
| 16:57:27 | kergoth` | aha |
| 16:57:30 | kolla | sounds like a ..heh.. lost case :) |
| 16:57:35 | kolla | lol |
| 16:57:52 | JasonNJ | you may be a nerd if... |
| 16:58:00 | kergoth` | kolla: you ran netsetup to configure the networking right? |
| 16:58:02 | JasonNJ | 1) you carry dice with more than 6 sides |
| 16:58:25 | [DrEvil] | well that's a downer |
| 16:58:29 | kolla | this was the "/etc/pcmcia/network stop wlan0" bit |
| 16:58:48 | kolla | there's a start_fn () {return} thing |
| 16:59:05 | kolla | start_fn () {return;} |
| 16:59:11 | kolla | seems to confuse the shell |
| 16:59:29 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 16:59:42 | kergoth` | theres nothing wrong with that line.. odd |
| 16:59:56 | kergoth` | well im gonna grab some food and finish this shit when i get back |
| 17:00:01 | [DrEvil] | what do I do when busybox has new features? |
| 17:00:07 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: edit configs/iptables.mk .. change Version to 1.2.6a |
| 17:00:09 | [DrEvil] | press N for all of them? |
| 17:00:14 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: decide whether you want them or not :-) |
| 17:00:21 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: most likelyi disable them for now |
| 17:00:31 | [DrEvil] | I tried them and then it wouldn't build |
| 17:00:32 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: cause some conflict with other packages ... like su for example conflicts with tinylogin |
| 17:00:35 | kergoth` | ahh.. |
| 17:00:37 | kergoth` | ugly |
| 17:00:42 | kergoth` | okay food |
| 17:00:45 | [DrEvil] | like the groupdel |
| 17:01:00 | kergoth`food | [DrEvil]: dont enable any of the getty/login/su/group/user functions |
| 17:01:04 | kergoth`food | [DrEvil]: tinylogin provides those for now |
| 17:01:10 | [DrEvil] | mmmmkay |
| 17:01:23 | br333zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 17:01:27 | br333zy | okay |
| 17:01:31 | br333zy | br33zy took my screenname |
| 17:01:35 | br333zy | where the hell is he |
| 17:03:40 | [DrEvil] | http://affix.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:03:45 | [DrEvil] | the other BT stack |
| 17:03:58 | numatrix | br333zy: From the looks of it, it's you: |
| 17:04:03 | numatrix | [br33zy] (~br33zy@dt0f4n82.san.rr.com) : br33zy |
| 17:04:08 | br333zy | what? |
| 17:04:08 | numatrix | [br333zy] (~br33zy@dt0f4n82.san.rr.com) : br33zy |
| 17:04:28 | numatrix | Your on the same IP as that... umm, nevermind, I guess. |
| 17:05:15 | JasonNJ | oooh. Wrath of Khan Special Edition DVD is out. |
| 17:06:01 | numatrix | thinks JasonNJ's dvd collection is about to ++ |
| 17:06:12 | kolla | trek'ers.. thery're always around arent they |
| 17:06:18 | kolla | :) |
| 17:06:29 | JasonNJ | babylon 5 DVDs are coming too |
| 17:06:38 | JasonNJ | gotta own all the seasons of that |
| 17:07:29 | prpplague | JasonNJ: when? i've been waiting for those! |
| 17:07:43 | JasonNJ | www.thedigitalbits.com |
| 17:07:49 | JasonNJ | they have all the upcoming release info |
| 17:07:55 | JasonNJ | for every DVD in existence |
| 17:08:02 | JasonNJ | cover art, you name ti |
| 17:09:13 | JasonNJ | http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa58.html#b5s1 |
| 17:10:25 | ljp_ | do they have "Debbie Does Dallas"? |
| 17:10:40 | JasonNJ | that was probably released a zillion years ago |
| 17:10:49 | JasonNJ | actually all of the sequels are on DVD |
| 17:11:00 | JasonNJ | every porn imaginable is on DVD |
| 17:11:11 | JasonNJ | it was the first industry to adopt DVD, before legit movies |
| 17:11:34 | JasonNJ | porn movies use more special features of DVD than regular movies do |
| 17:11:45 | JasonNJ | they use the camera angle button and all sorts of stuff |
| 17:11:57 | JasonNJ | yo tim. |
| 17:12:28 | JasonNJ | tim: you got any recommendations as to how we should handle this whole compiler thing? |
| 17:13:00 | ljp_ | jason: you guys moving to gcc3? |
| 17:13:18 | hardwire | wow.. am I ever sleepy |
| 17:13:19 | JasonNJ | ljp_: well, its under discussion. |
| 17:13:22 | JasonNJ | I dunno. |
| 17:13:29 | JasonNJ | It depends on a lot of stuff. |
| 17:13:54 | [DrEvil] | porn is what the success of a video standard is based on |
| 17:14:02 | ljp_ | it would be tricky to handle backwards compatibility |
| 17:14:11 | [DrEvil] | VCRs would never have taken off without the support of the porn studios |
| 17:14:25 | JasonNJ | well, its even more of a problem because 3.2 will break 3.1 binaries |
| 17:14:41 | noidd | cackles evilly. I just sold another Zaurus :-) |
| 17:14:41 | JasonNJ | so it sounds like moving prematurely could be a bad idea |
| 17:15:28 | JasonNJ | on the other hand, NOT optimzing the xscale is a bad idea too |
| 17:15:44 | JasonNJ | cause the Pocket PC folks caught a lot of hell for that |
| 17:15:49 | | hmmm... feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 17:15:49 | NetAmp | ibot: feed |
| 17:16:22 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 17:16:30 | [DrEvil] | my phone made it to Ericsson |
| 17:16:37 | ljp_ | true, why even move to xscale if you dont optimize for it |
| 17:16:44 | NetAmp | [DrEvil]: :) |
| 17:17:01 | NetAmp | hey has anyone tried OpieToday with the Sharp ROM? |
| 17:17:16 | ljp_ | ya |
| 17:17:17 | [DrEvil] | I wish it were possible to home upgrade it |
| 17:17:18 | Harlekin | NetAmp: about 6000 people until now |
| 17:17:25 | NetAmp | hah ;) |
| 17:17:40 | NetAmp | ok that was another stuuuuupid question then :P |
| 17:17:41 | Harlekin | NetAmp: probably even more, since its not only on myzaurus |
| 17:17:57 | JasonNJ | I havent seen a new build of Today for Zaurus in a while |
| 17:17:59 | NetAmp | whoops... |
| 17:19:17 | ljp_ | today hasnt changed in a while |
| 17:20:11 | NetAmp | this looks pretty cool, for PckPC http://www.xengames.com/screens.html |
| 17:20:33 | NetAmp | i think it was mentioned before... oh well it just looks nice :) |
| 17:20:57 | Harlekin | ljp_: started working on it again |
| 17:20:58 | angry | ... hate my connection |
| 17:21:19 | giminy_ | anyone know where I can find the source code to the gcc strongarm cross-compiler? |
| 17:21:26 | angry | is there an RPM util for debian? |
| 17:21:41 | NetAmp | gotta reboot.. |
| 17:22:39 | oGMo | giminy_: i thought it all came with gcc |
| 17:23:57 | kolla | doesnt opie-player also do ogg? |
| 17:24:42 | benmeyer | how do I get minicom to just use my serial connection as a connection and not try to use it as a modem? |
| 17:25:37 | kolla | as nullmodem? |
| 17:25:43 | benmeyer | as in the zaurus |
| 17:25:55 | kolla | minicom on the zaurus? |
| 17:25:59 | benmeyer | on my pc |
| 17:26:04 | kolla | oh |
| 17:26:07 | benmeyer | trying to connect to the z |
| 17:26:18 | kolla | not sure |
| 17:26:30 | kolla | through usb? |
| 17:26:39 | benmeyer | serial |
| 17:26:49 | benmeyer | /dev/ttyS0 |
| 17:27:14 | George- | gtg all |
| 17:27:28 | kolla | it is trying to use it as modem? how do you see that? |
| 17:27:38 | benmeyer | no clue, never used this before |
| 17:27:39 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 17:27:44 | kolla | ok :) |
| 17:27:45 | benmeyer | the only option I see is dial |
| 17:28:06 | benmeyer | I have been tring pppd, but that can't connect so I figued I would go down a level |
| 17:28:18 | killefiz | benmeyer: just type away it sends everything you type to the serial interface |
| 17:28:51 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 17:28:54 | sig | you around dude |
| 17:29:08 | fusion94 | is away: concall |
| 17:29:44 | Harlekin | kolla: not yet |
| 17:29:56 | lioda | I try to come back from openzaurus to the standard rom...I put the OSPACK on the / in my cf card + C and D and reset but I arrive each time on OpenZaurus clean |
| 17:30:02 | lioda | Some ideas ? |
| 17:30:03 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 17:30:19 | benmeyer | and so what should I type to get a response :-D |
| 17:30:45 | killefiz | benmeyer: well - what are you trying to do? is there a minicom on the other end? |
| 17:31:23 | benmeyer | well in the end I want to get a ppp connection up and running |
| 17:31:42 | benmeyer | but the pppd script thingy fails and so I am trying to do it manually now |
| 17:31:47 | kolla | Harlekin: ok, no need in pushing my ogg files over on this CF card just yet then :) |
| 17:31:49 | benmeyer | to see what gets spit back at me |
| 17:31:55 | kolla | no use in.. |
| 17:33:30 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:44:04) |
| 17:34:26 | hardwire | muuuuther fucker |
| 17:34:29 | hardwire | happy muther fuucker |
| 17:34:31 | hardwire | muuuuther fucker |
| 17:34:34 | hardwire | happy all the way |
| 17:34:54 | noidd | Guys, is it possible to run *bsd on the Zaurus? |
| 17:35:06 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 17:35:10 | [DrEvil] | blasphemer |
| 17:35:14 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:35:19 | sjohnson | noidd: If your port the hardware drivers. Yes. |
| 17:35:27 | noidd | as I thought :-) |
| 17:35:29 | hardwire | well it runs onthe ipaq |
| 17:35:30 | benmeyer | no sd |
| 17:35:38 | hardwire | most of it should be completed |
| 17:37:29 | JasonNJ | we need whardier to do some new graphics for it |
| 17:38:24 | [DrEvil] | I wonder if I can fit a neon tube in this computer |
| 17:38:35 | hardwire | OOH SO CLOSE! |
| 17:38:41 | hardwire | File: vo_zr.c |
| 17:38:44 | hardwire | static void draw_osd(void) { |
| 17:38:44 | hardwire | } |
| 17:38:48 | hardwire | its so empty! |
| 17:39:25 | ciaolinux | where can i find opensource software working with qtopia? |
| 17:39:47 | JasonNJ | ciaolinux: www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 17:39:58 | JasonNJ | also myzaurus.com |
| 17:40:45 | hardwire | hmmm |
| 17:40:52 | hardwire | damnit |
| 17:40:52 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:40:54 | hardwire | damnit |
| 17:40:55 | hardwire | hmmmm |
| 17:40:57 | hardwire | damnit |
| 17:41:10 | JasonNJ | beats whardier |
| 17:41:57 | hardwire | yum |
| 17:42:13 | hardwire | brb |
| 17:44:45 | codemnky | what is the easiest way to test if /dev/ttyS0 is working |
| 17:44:55 | codemnky | or that there's connectivity |
| 17:47:26 | whardier | wow |
| 17:47:30 | whardier | that was pdq |
| 17:47:31 | benmeyer | codemnky: use windows :-D |
| 17:47:32 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:47:41 | benmeyer | codemnky: have you been able to get a connection? |
| 17:47:43 | benmeyer | I havn't |
| 17:47:49 | benmeyer | and am really anoyed by it |
| 17:48:10 | benmeyer | I keep getting LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 17:48:36 | pdq | that doesn't say anything |
| 17:48:37 | codemnky | what other pda should i by to coonect to my cell phone? |
| 17:48:38 | codemnky | :) |
| 17:48:53 | pdq | buy a cell phone with irda |
| 17:48:55 | benmeyer | thanks |
| 17:49:01 | benmeyer | well I can connect via windows Me |
| 17:49:13 | benmeyer | so it is anoying that linux can't connect to itself |
| 17:50:27 | pdq | benmeyer: I prepared a mail for you with my pppd scripts |
| 17:50:36 | pdq | but don't know your e-mail |
| 17:51:38 | benmeyer | thanks |
| 17:51:41 | benmeyer | meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 17:52:30 | Harlekin | btw, what does the sec mean |
| 17:54:37 | JasonNJ | Sharp Electronics Corp |
| 17:54:49 | JasonNJ | so, its redundant |
| 17:54:57 | JasonNJ | Sharp Sharp Electronics Corp |
| 17:55:01 | JasonNJ | cause we dont own SHARP.COM |
| 17:55:12 | JasonNJ | we had to settle for sharpsec.com |
| 17:55:21 | JasonNJ | whereas the japanese company has sharp.co.jp |
| 17:55:27 | JasonNJ | bad planning |
| 17:55:36 | benmeyer | never even thought about it before |
| 17:55:44 | [DrEvil] | just do an ICANN arbitration |
| 17:55:46 | benmeyer | I thought sec meant section or seomthing |
| 17:55:48 | [DrEvil] | you will have sharp.com |
| 17:56:09 | noidd | No, absolutely not. Boo Hiss |
| 17:56:13 | noidd | :-) |
| 17:56:37 | JasonNJ | sharp.com is owned by some kind of HMO |
| 17:56:56 | [DrEvil] | which is bigger and has more money? |
| 17:57:00 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 17:57:03 | JasonNJ | did you know sharp is named after a pencil |
| 17:57:15 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: i though sharp is japanese |
| 17:57:16 | JasonNJ | was originally the Ever-Sharp pencil |
| 17:57:24 | JasonNJ | it is japanese |
| 17:57:33 | Harlekin | and they chose an english name? |
| 17:57:37 | JasonNJ | they made mechanical pencils in the 1950's |
| 17:57:52 | [DrEvil] | IBM made everything before computers |
| 17:57:56 | [DrEvil] | wall clocks |
| 17:58:07 | JasonNJ | actually IBM was CTR |
| 17:58:13 | Harlekin | International Buissiness Mach. |
| 17:58:18 | noidd | Guys, I've re-formatted my SD card as ext2, but the Z still insists on forcing it to be mounted as vfat... even after I modify /etc/fstab. If I mount -r ext2 manually it nmounts fine.. but not automatically - any ideas? |
| 17:58:19 | JasonNJ | and Hollerith tabulating machines |
| 17:58:53 | JasonNJ | actually kind of interesting we are returning to our roots with the Z |
| 17:58:59 | JasonNJ | cause we started out with pencils |
| 17:59:07 | JasonNJ | which were... sorta.. PDAs |
| 17:59:29 | noidd | JasonNJ: how long before you have a pda shaped like a pencil - which takes input from your hand movements when writing? :-) |
| 17:59:40 | noidd | patents the idea |
| 18:01:14 | noidd | /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card ext2 noauto,owner 0 0 |
| 18:01:27 | noidd | is my line, changed auto to ext2 - so it should do the -t ext2 for me right? |
| 18:01:37 | noidd | unless the -t vfat is hard-wired somewhere else :-/ |
| 18:01:43 | pdq | i find the z ignores fstab |
| 18:02:08 | pdq | options are set somewhere in hotplug scripts, I believe |
| 18:04:24 | pdq | maybe /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts ? |
| 18:04:56 | noidd | thats the one :-) |
| 18:04:58 | noidd | thanks :-) |
| 18:08:21 | frankps | hi all |
| 18:10:01 | | sniper was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 7 hours, 24 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: have to go bye [Tue Jul 30 11:45:44 2002] |
| 18:10:01 | asel | ibot: seen sniper |
| 18:11:01 | JasonNJ | sniper is on vacation |
| 18:11:03 | JasonNJ | in Florida |
| 18:11:09 | JasonNJ | hangin out with Mickey Mouse |
| 18:14:15 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 18:14:15 | ljp_ | ibot: shoot kergoth |
| 18:16:29 | ljp_ | have fun benmeyer :) |
| 18:17:16 | benmeyer | bla |
| 18:17:20 | benmeyer | I am not having much fun |
| 18:17:30 | ljp_ | I jusr emailed you |
| 18:17:47 | ljp_ | opera has many redundant files |
| 18:18:06 | benmeyer | ok |
| 18:18:07 | | ACTION humps the channel |
| 18:18:07 | JasonNJ | ibot: hump |
| 18:19:18 | | ljp_: huh? |
| 18:19:18 | ljp_ | ibot: hump jasonnj |
| 18:19:23 | ljp_ | dang it |
| 18:21:49 | ljp_ | is procrastinating writing some html docs |
| 18:27:44 | pdq | benmyer: forget what I wrote about the null-modem in my mail |
| 18:28:00 | pdq | of course, PC - Z doesn't use null modem |
| 18:30:09 | oGMo | hrmm |
| 18:30:19 | fusion94 | is back (gone 01:01:10) |
| 18:30:26 | oGMo | opera doesn't quite render these PDF's right, i'm guessing because it's missing fonts or something |
| 18:30:26 | kolla | ponders on wether to keep his 128MB SD card mounted on /mnt/card or to mount it as /opt with all the opie stuff on |
| 18:30:59 | sig | anyone want to try gphone out? |
| 18:31:12 | oGMo | sig: gphone? |
| 18:31:13 | NetAmp | yay I've got the today screen :D |
| 18:31:14 | pdq | you have a workin 128 MB SD? which brand? |
| 18:31:22 | sig | oGMo: yeah |
| 18:31:35 | sig | a phone simulator |
| 18:31:45 | NetAmp | Won't the default Qt allow it to be auto-started? |
| 18:32:03 | [DrEvil] | the Simple Technologies 128meg SD card works |
| 18:32:13 | oGMo | sig, what does it do? |
| 18:32:18 | Harlekin | NetAmp: opie uses a special modified launcher to have apps autostarted on resume |
| 18:32:24 | sig | oGMo: allows you to talk back and forth |
| 18:32:27 | sig | with a mic |
| 18:32:30 | NetAmp | Harlekin: ah ok thanks :) |
| 18:32:34 | Harlekin | NetAmp: but i am on it |
| 18:32:45 | Harlekin | NetAmp: for normal zaurus |
| 18:32:49 | NetAmp | And what about changing the picture(s) can you do that on Opie? |
| 18:32:53 | oGMo | sig: ah cool... i'd love to, cept i don't have a mic or bandwidth :( |
| 18:33:02 | oGMo | that sounds really nifty though |
| 18:33:03 | kolla | NetAmp: what pictures? |
| 18:33:05 | numatrix | Dang; I want to! I have the bandwidth. |
| 18:33:05 | NetAmp | Harlekin: ah great :) |
| 18:33:05 | sig | heh |
| 18:33:09 | numatrix | sig: Hook me up... |
| 18:33:14 | NetAmp | kolla: background/title |
| 18:33:15 | sig | numatrix: with what? |
| 18:33:19 | kolla | oh |
| 18:33:27 | numatrix | gphone; I assume you're talking about a zaurus port, or did I miss something? |
| 18:33:30 | NetAmp | kolla: of the TODAY app |
| 18:33:37 | sig | numatrix: no, not a z port |
| 18:33:38 | sig | yet |
| 18:33:39 | numatrix | is retarded... |
| 18:33:43 | kolla | not yesterday? :) |
| 18:33:49 | oGMo | ...oh |
| 18:33:58 | oGMo | sig: PORT TO THE Z ;) |
| 18:34:06 | sig | oGMo: I will try |
| 18:34:06 | kolla | ponders on mounting /opt on the sd card and /var on ram |
| 18:34:10 | sig | but I need to see how it works |
| 18:34:12 | angry | huh? |
| 18:34:13 | angry | gphone? |
| 18:34:14 | sig | I need to test it |
| 18:34:15 | sig | bbl |
| 18:34:21 | kolla | or /tmp is probably safer |
| 18:34:44 | angry | meh i thought it was some CF card that would connect to cell phone networks :) |
| 18:34:46 | angry | taht would be cool |
| 18:35:17 | benmeyer | bla the grep on the z doesn't have -R |
| 18:35:24 | NetAmp | kolla: yesterday app? hm that would be interesting ;) hehe |
| 18:35:30 | pdq | sharp/europe promised such a card |
| 18:35:40 | NetAmp | kolla: or even a tomorrow/future screen :P |
| 18:35:48 | kolla | :) |
| 18:36:15 | kolla | "yesterday you forgot the following: ... and tomorrow you will forget the following: ... " :) |
| 18:36:16 | NetAmp | pdq: gprs? |
| 18:36:22 | Mickey0 | kolla: I have opt on SD, but not mounted - just a softlink. |
| 18:36:26 | NetAmp | kolla: hah ;) |
| 18:36:35 | pdq | NetAmp: yes |
| 18:36:46 | kolla | Mickey0: ok |
| 18:36:56 | NetAmp | pdq: that'd be cool... even though I don't wanna think of the price :( |
| 18:37:39 | pdq | NetAmp: Yeah. And even so they promised delivery in August there is no information available |
| 18:37:52 | NetAmp | :-( |
| 18:38:36 | ljp_ | my help docs-> <html>help yourself, its self explainatory</html> |
| 18:38:56 | ljp_ | ahh now I can move on |
| 18:39:58 | NetAmp | Oh well the today screen keeps running anyway :) |
| 18:40:15 | kolla | Mickey0: what filesystem do you use on the card? |
| 18:40:19 | NetAmp | so that's good. |
| 18:42:51 | NetAmp | ljp_: btw nice docs, would that work for just about anything? ;-) |
| 18:42:56 | sig | codemnky: whats up dude |
| 18:43:09 | sig | codemnky: you use debian right? |
| 18:43:27 | whardier | HAH! |
| 18:43:38 | NetAmp | whardier: http://download.consumptionjunction.com/multimedia/cj_11119.wmv |
| 18:43:40 | sig | I want to try gphone out with someon |
| 18:43:50 | whardier | sig: haha |
| 18:43:51 | whardier | have fun |
| 18:44:02 | sig | whardier: wanna try it |
| 18:44:06 | whardier | NetAmp Consumption Junction stuff? |
| 18:44:11 | whardier | sig: are you behind a firewall |
| 18:44:18 | sig | no |
| 18:44:18 | NetAmp | whardier: yeah this one's.. well... 'fun' ;) |
| 18:44:39 | whardier | sig: I can play with you :) |
| 18:44:48 | whardier | but you would have to tunnel into me |
| 18:44:49 | whardier | heh |
| 18:44:52 | whardier | and that would suck |
| 18:45:05 | ljp_ | netamp: yep thats my new universal help documentation, gpl'd of course |
| 18:45:15 | kolla | what the heck is wrong with busybox' tar? |
| 18:45:15 | sig | whardier: why, are you behind a firewall? |
| 18:45:53 | JasonNJ | rocketelite is so frickin hard |
| 18:45:59 | JasonNJ | I get my ass kicked on the demo level |
| 18:46:05 | whardier | sig: I have 10 machines :) they aren't all gonna have IP's |
| 18:46:19 | sig | whardier: hrrmm |
| 18:46:26 | ljp_ | 10? |
| 18:46:34 | whardier | the routing protocols used for video conferencing do not go thru firewalls easily |
| 18:46:38 | JasonNJ | candycruncher is definitely more my speed |
| 18:49:01 | dmallor | tesr |
| 18:49:09 | NetAmp | 10?! |
| 18:49:12 | NetAmp | wheeee ;) |
| 18:49:22 | whardier | NetAmp haaha |
| 18:49:23 | Harlekin | cant wait to see that space sim on linux pda |
| 18:49:27 | whardier | that is pretty funny |
| 18:49:40 | codemnky | i use redcrap |
| 18:49:43 | codemnky | sig |
| 18:50:00 | codemnky | too lazy to switch |
| 18:52:21 | codemnky | sugar make whardier a long island icetea |
| 18:52:36 | codemnky | i broke her |
| 18:52:42 | codemnky | Sugar make whardier a long island icetea |
| 18:53:00 | kergoth`food | sugar make whardier a long island |
| 18:53:00 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to whardier. |
| 18:53:02 | kergoth`food | heh |
| 18:53:09 | codemnky | hmm |
| 18:53:43 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: fixed the iptables build. do a cvs up -CPdA |
| 18:53:52 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 18:56:22 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: it was still using the oldddddd as dirt template that didnt even know how to build an ipk :-) |
| 18:57:28 | hunger | kergoth`: We need to activate busyboxes keytable tools. |
| 18:57:31 | codemnky | tt(yall)l |
| 18:57:42 | kergoth` | hunger: keytable tools? |
| 18:58:01 | kergoth` | hunger: you mean the loadkeys and shit? |
| 18:58:52 | hunger | kergoth`: CONFIG_LOADKMAP etc. |
| 19:00:51 | kergoth` | hunger: ah. yeah |
| 19:01:01 | kergoth` | hunger: feel free to alter the sources/busybox*patch.gz |
| 19:01:21 | kergoth` | hunger: we should probably add 'who' and 'hwclock' in as well |
| 19:01:52 | hunger | kergoth`: Yeap. |
| 19:02:05 | hunger | kergoth`: Just as soon as I can finally build something again:-( |
| 19:02:19 | kergoth` | hunger: yeah.. thats odd |
| 19:02:19 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:02:27 | JasonNJ | IBM just released the latest jikes compiler |
| 19:02:35 | JasonNJ | we should xcompile it to ARM |
| 19:02:41 | hunger | kergoth`: I can't find that toolchain you mentioned. |
| 19:02:52 | JasonNJ | http://www-124.ibm.com/developerworks/projects/Jikes/?t=gr,lnx09=Jikes11 |
| 19:04:11 | kergoth` | hunger: hold, i'll get you a url |
| 19:04:41 | kergoth` | hunger: ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/ |
| 19:04:55 | hunger | kergoth`: Thanks! |
| 19:05:21 | kergoth` | hunger: np |
| 19:05:38 | benmeyer | Tell me if I am wrong on this: Does the Zaurus continusly try to connect out via the serial or does it act as a server waiting? |
| 19:05:49 | benmeyer | it seems to just keep trying to get out |
| 19:05:55 | benmeyer | or is that wrong? |
| 19:06:07 | pdq | serialctl does this |
| 19:06:16 | benmeyer | define "this" |
| 19:06:30 | hunger | benmeyer: Who builds that thing? Your company or us out here? ;-) |
| 19:06:32 | pdq | it starts a pppd on ttyS0 |
| 19:06:32 | djk | benmeyer: I have noticed that qtopia desktop or sync desktop software is always chatting |
| 19:06:46 | benmeyer | yah |
| 19:06:52 | benmeyer | is that a server or client? |
| 19:07:15 | kergoth` | benmeyer: ppp is peer to peer.. by definition |
| 19:07:21 | kergoth` | benmeyer: there is no 'server' or 'client' |
| 19:07:33 | benmeyer | well yes there is by definition |
| 19:07:37 | kergoth` | "Peer to Peer Protocol" |
| 19:07:44 | kergoth` | no, there isnt. |
| 19:07:45 | benmeyer | but still one of them has to initiate the converation |
| 19:07:55 | kergoth` | huh? |
| 19:07:59 | codemnky | kergoth quick question i'm about to flash back to openZ, your developing for both commercial and D model right? |
| 19:08:02 | kergoth` | yes one has to start talking first |
| 19:08:03 | benmeyer | by "yes" I mean yes there isn't a server or client |
| 19:08:06 | kergoth` | but that does NOT make it a server. |
| 19:08:07 | ljp_ | notes he's not real good at explaining programs usage... |
| 19:08:08 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:08:11 | benmeyer | so who talks first |
| 19:08:12 | benmeyer | ? |
| 19:08:13 | kergoth` | codemnky: yes |
| 19:08:16 | kergoth` | benmeyer: whichever |
| 19:08:18 | benmeyer | the z or box |
| 19:08:19 | codemnky | i saw the note about diff images |
| 19:08:19 | kergoth` | benmeyer: implementation dependent |
| 19:08:20 | benmeyer | ugg |
| 19:08:23 | codemnky | was confussed |
| 19:08:32 | kergoth` | benmeyer: pdq just told you. |
| 19:08:35 | benmeyer | by default on oz does it just listen or keep talking? |
| 19:08:40 | kergoth` | benmeyer: the Z starts a ppp daemon on the port. |
| 19:08:52 | benmeyer | that keeps trying to talk yes? |
| 19:08:52 | kergoth` | benmeyer: pppd starts talking the ppp protocol immediately. there is no "listen" |
| 19:09:23 | benmeyer | yes, but with no hardware connected its talking goes nowhere right |
| 19:09:34 | benmeyer | it just sits there wasting time talking |
| 19:09:37 | kergoth` | benmeyer: in many environments, the ppp daemon will not be started until logging in to the device.. in other words, they'll have a getty that you log into, and the user will have pppd as their default shell |
| 19:09:39 | kergoth` | benmeyer: yes. |
| 19:09:49 | killefiz | has trolltech ever released the promised new linux-qtopiadesktop-version? |
| 19:09:55 | kergoth` | benmeyer: I always disable it myself |
| 19:09:55 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:10:01 | benmeyer | thank you |
| 19:10:15 | benmeyer | I was going bonkers wondering why in the hell they do that |
| 19:10:17 | kergoth` | killefiz: stuff is likely being held up by their security fixes |
| 19:10:29 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:10:30 | kergoth` | benmeyer: seems kind of odd, considering most people will never touch the serial port |
| 19:10:42 | benmeyer | ood and a waste |
| 19:10:47 | kergoth` | yep |
| 19:11:07 | pdq | even worse, because internet wizard ignores ttyS0 |
| 19:11:21 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:11:21 | benmeyer | yup |
| 19:11:33 | kergoth` | which is why OZ doesnt do such stupidity by default |
| 19:11:33 | sig | hmm |
| 19:11:41 | kergoth` | we'll have netsetup do the ppp setup on either serial or usb |
| 19:11:42 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:13:27 | sig | I still have never install linuxqtdesktop yet? |
| 19:13:36 | sig | how hard is it to set up killefiz? |
| 19:13:37 | kergoth` | qtopia desktop sucks |
| 19:13:38 | kolla | hm.. the SD card seems to be mounted on /mnt/card regardless of what I put in fstab |
| 19:13:38 | kergoth` | imho |
| 19:13:45 | kergoth` | kolla: thats odd |
| 19:13:57 | kolla | I tried to mount it on /opt |
| 19:13:59 | kergoth` | kolla: that may very well be controlled by 'sdmgr' |
| 19:14:05 | kolla | ok' |
| 19:14:06 | kergoth` | kolla: which we dont have the source to. |
| 19:14:10 | kergoth` | grumbles |
| 19:14:16 | oGMo | qpdf is a lot faster than opera |
| 19:14:25 | oGMo | i just wish large fonts were available |
| 19:14:26 | kolla | yes yes |
| 19:14:28 | kolla | there it is |
| 19:14:32 | kolla | /etc/sdcontrol |
| 19:14:38 | kolla | let's change it |
| 19:14:40 | kolla | :) |
| 19:16:08 | kergoth` | kolla: sdcontrol is a util to let the user initiate a mount or unmount.. i thought.. |
| 19:16:13 | kergoth` | kolla: I doubt it'll affect the automount |
| 19:16:24 | kolla | let's test it though :) |
| 19:17:02 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 19:17:04 | kergoth` | what the hell |
| 19:17:10 | benmeyer | bla, well after 2 days of pulling my hair out I finally figured out the ppp system on the z (or lack there of) |
| 19:17:33 | kergoth` | kolla: I may just create a new sdmgr from scratch |
| 19:17:48 | kergoth` | kolla: the lame thing is, the sd module should just support hotplug.. then we wouldnt need a daemon at all :-) |
| 19:18:08 | kergoth` | BZFlag: ping |
| 19:18:10 | kolla | mm :) |
| 19:19:29 | asys3 | hi kergoth ! |
| 19:20:33 | asys3 | kergoth`: could you tell me, if the actual oz-kernel works if I overload Sharp's ROMimage with it ? |
| 19:21:08 | kergoth` | asys3: Nope |
| 19:21:12 | codemnky | i think i broke something. i flashed to openZ and the logo has been there for about 5 minutes with the cursor flashing |
| 19:21:26 | kergoth` | asys3: the OZ kernel uses a different mtd driver. sharp rom expects flash at mtdblock0, OZ tries to mount /dev/mtdblock4 as root |
| 19:21:35 | kergoth` | codemnky: the initrd.bin didnt flash. try again |
| 19:21:59 | BZFlag | kergoth`: pong |
| 19:22:02 | asys3 | kergoth`: it's because of the new mountpoint (jffs2)... |
| 19:22:05 | kolla | oh.. ext3 isnt support by the kernel |
| 19:22:09 | codemnky | ok thx |
| 19:22:25 | kergoth` | BZFlag: Any chance of getting the sd module supporting hotplug so we can use the hotplug subsystem to manage automount rather than a independent daemon that the source isnt available to anyway? |
| 19:22:34 | kergoth` | asys3: thats what i said. |
| 19:22:43 | kergoth` | asys3: the root device is mtdblock4 not mtdblock0 |
| 19:23:04 | BZFlag | kergoth`: the ipaq 3800 mmc driver is public, we should use that one and make it hotplug aware. |
| 19:23:25 | kolla | there.. |
| 19:23:26 | kergoth` | BZFlag: yeah thats on my todo list... :-) |
| 19:23:30 | BZFlag | ok |
| 19:23:46 | kolla | kergoth`: it worked all right, once I set ext2 instead of ext2 in sdcontrol :) |
| 19:23:48 | kergoth` | BZFlag: Any idea whats involved in turning on the leds, btw? other than setting LCM_LPT0 to 8 or 80.. |
| 19:23:56 | Harlekin | BZFlag: that driver is hotplug aware |
| 19:24:01 | kergoth` | BZFlag: because I'm doing that, and the damn things dont turn on |
| 19:24:02 | kergoth` | Harlekin: good |
| 19:24:08 | kolla | so now sdcard is mounted on /opt |
| 19:24:26 | Harlekin | kergoth`: btw, gcc3 OZ? |
| 19:24:34 | JasonNJ | oy vey |
| 19:24:39 | numatrix | Anyone who speaks german willing to tell me what skatblock is? |
| 19:24:44 | numatrix | http://www.dokutransdata.de/SkatBlock/ |
| 19:24:50 | kergoth` | Harlekin: havent had time... got a gcc3.1 arm toolchain handy? |
| 19:24:50 | hunger | Harlekin: I'm working on that. |
| 19:24:53 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 19:24:55 | kergoth` | hunger: yeah |
| 19:24:58 | Harlekin | hunger: ? |
| 19:25:07 | kergoth` | Harlekin: the OZ buildsystem can build itself a toolchain now |
| 19:25:19 | hunger | kergoth`: I think we can forget 3.1.1, trying 3.0 now. |
| 19:25:26 | Harlekin | hunger: ? |
| 19:25:27 | kergoth` | hunger: 3.1 basic didnt work either? |
| 19:25:33 | asys3 | numatrix: here ;-) |
| 19:25:34 | hunger | Harlekin: I'm adding a zoolchain target to OZ. |
| 19:25:40 | kergoth` | zoolchain |
| 19:25:41 | kergoth` | :-P |
| 19:25:43 | ljp_ | hehe |
| 19:25:44 | BZFlag | kergoth`: nope. =( |
| 19:25:47 | pdq | numatrix: its a card game. very popular in DE |
| 19:25:53 | hunger | kergoth`: Nope. |
| 19:25:55 | kolla | naa |
| 19:25:57 | kergoth` | BZFlag: k, just checking.. there must be some other register that affects it.. |
| 19:26:20 | kolla | kergoth`: forget it.. it's still on mnt/card |
| 19:26:25 | JasonNJ | kergoth`: kinda like the Spock's Brain eposide on classic trek, right |
| 19:26:27 | hunger | Harlekin: 3.1.1 produces buggy code on the Z. |
| 19:26:28 | kergoth` | BZFlag: I grabbed that user space register manipulation tool and dumped the locomo registers on 2.4.6 and compared to 2.5.26 .. hehe. |
| 19:26:29 | numatrix | pdq: Ahh, thanks. |
| 19:26:35 | hunger | Harlekin: Or better: for the Z. |
| 19:26:50 | kergoth` | BZFlag: diff -urNd leds-working leds-nonworking; :-) |
| 19:26:58 | kergoth` | hey MSpin |
| 19:27:02 | MSpin | howdy kergoth` |
| 19:27:05 | Twiun | rehi |
| 19:27:07 | BZFlag | kergoth`: nice. |
| 19:27:07 | Harlekin | hunger: fast internet connection? |
| 19:27:11 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone |
| 19:27:16 | [DrEvil] | the prodigal son returns |
| 19:27:18 | hunger | Harlekin: Why do you ask? |
| 19:27:20 | MSpin | yay, I should have my BIOS chip back tomorrow:) |
| 19:27:27 | hunger | Harlekin: DSL and flatrate. |
| 19:27:47 | Harlekin | sounds german |
| 19:28:14 | hunger | Harlekin: Digital Subscriber Line and flatrate?! Yes, typical german words. |
| 19:28:16 | Cloudchaser | who's the prodigal son? |
| 19:28:34 | Harlekin | hunger: not, people that have that combination |
| 19:28:49 | Harlekin | hunger: nobody apart form germans woudl say flatrate |
| 19:28:55 | hunger | Harlekin: Well, DSl is the only 'high speed' internet available here. |
| 19:29:19 | hunger | Harlekin: People wanting that usually go for a flatrate. |
| 19:29:25 | kolla | but _now_ it works |
| 19:29:29 | kolla | silly me |
| 19:29:34 | Harlekin | hunger: where from? |
| 19:29:36 | hunger | Harlekin: How do you call a flat rate? |
| 19:29:39 | [DrEvil] | kergoth`: I keep having issues with locales.alias not existing in the glibc build |
| 19:29:44 | hunger | Harlekin: Germany:-) |
| 19:29:49 | NetAmp | us Dutch say flatrate :P |
| 19:29:50 | Harlekin | hunger: apart from germany its called flat |
| 19:29:51 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 19:30:02 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 19:30:04 | hunger | Harlekin: Trier to be more exact. |
| 19:30:07 | [DrEvil] | Goldmember is Dutch |
| 19:30:08 | Harlekin | NetAmp: i allready said germans |
| 19:30:09 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:30:15 | NetAmp | Harlekin: wahahaha ;) |
| 19:30:21 | NetAmp | got me there :P |
| 19:30:59 | codemnky | oops, i didn't have the power plugged in |
| 19:31:04 | JasonNJ | drevil: Austin 3 was the worst movie I ever saw |
| 19:31:09 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: locales.alias doesnt exist? |
| 19:31:16 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 19:31:17 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: but the first 3 min are cool |
| 19:31:30 | ljp_ | JasonNJ: you just weren't drunk enough |
| 19:31:34 | [DrEvil] | JasonNJ: lots of people think it is funny |
| 19:31:34 | kergoth` | aha |
| 19:31:43 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: the first 3 minites are not worth nearly 10 bucks! |
| 19:31:45 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: did iptables build fine? |
| 19:31:57 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: oh, you payed .-) |
| 19:32:11 | [DrEvil] | I haven't got that far |
| 19:32:11 | [DrEvil] | I am just doing a make openzaurus |
| 19:32:12 | JasonNJ | its on Divx alreadY? |
| 19:32:20 | treke | JasonNJ: of course it is |
| 19:32:23 | [DrEvil] | we'll start small and then go from there |
| 19:32:25 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: ah k. hehe |
| 19:32:34 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: i'll look into the locales.alias thing |
| 19:32:42 | JasonNJ | the quality of most of those pirated film transfers are hideous |
| 19:32:48 | JasonNJ | the DVD ones a good |
| 19:32:49 | [DrEvil] | I had some errors when it was making the locales stuff |
| 19:32:52 | [DrEvil] | but it continued |
| 19:32:56 | JasonNJ | but I'd rather own the DVD |
| 19:32:58 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: hmmmm k |
| 19:33:03 | [DrEvil] | I created the share/locales directory |
| 19:33:08 | [DrEvil] | then I touched locales.alias |
| 19:33:11 | [DrEvil] | and it continued |
| 19:33:32 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: I should change it to (debian-style) generate the locale information in a postinst at first boot |
| 19:33:36 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:33:47 | [DrEvil] | noooooo |
| 19:33:51 | [DrEvil] | not debian style |
| 19:33:52 | kergoth` | hah |
| 19:34:06 | [DrEvil] | it has caused me enough problems |
| 19:34:06 | kergoth` | hows redhat handle the locale generation? |
| 19:34:09 | kergoth` | hah |
| 19:34:12 | MSpin | mmmm.......gentoo:) |
| 19:34:24 | kergoth` | ill have to try gentoo one of these days |
| 19:34:37 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 19:34:39 | MSpin | yes, you should:) |
| 19:34:44 | [DrEvil] | Ford is going to cancel the Excursion |
| 19:34:47 | [DrEvil] | finally |
| 19:34:51 | MSpin | do it on a decently fast machine tho:) |
| 19:35:01 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 19:35:06 | kergoth` | MSpin: primary desktop is a 1.2ghz tbird. should do okay |
| 19:35:07 | [DrEvil] | a quad xeon with 4 gigs of RAM |
| 19:35:10 | kergoth` | hah |
| 19:35:14 | MSpin | that should be fine |
| 19:35:15 | kergoth` | i wish\ |
| 19:35:45 | MSpin | I have it on a couple PII 266s...I wouldn't go much lower |
| 19:35:59 | [DrEvil] | kergoth`: I ran into the iptables thing last night as I was trying to get all the sources I could whilst waiting for you to show up to answer my dpkg-qrchitecture question |
| 19:36:16 | MS_away | brb |
| 19:37:23 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 19:37:31 | angry | which window manager is good at dealing with slow computers with low resources? |
| 19:37:46 | ljp_ | fluxbox |
| 19:37:52 | [DrEvil] | what we need is a mailing list manager that will answer frequently asked questions to the user |
| 19:37:54 | angry | k |
| 19:38:04 | ljp_ | or icewm |
| 19:38:16 | oGMo | angry: E! |
| 19:38:16 | [DrEvil] | setup some regexp's and go from there |
| 19:38:17 | codemnky | i think i screw it up it won't flash, how can i fix? with a flash card reader can you also tranf file to? |
| 19:38:18 | oGMo | ;) |
| 19:38:20 | angry | kde + gnome need more resources? |
| 19:38:23 | asel | when i compile i get error with qobject::connect but i call the C function connect to connect a sock? what should i do? |
| 19:38:25 | hunger | [DrEvil]: Yes! Have it answer RTFM to every mail send in! |
| 19:38:50 | oGMo | angry: KDE+GNOME require insane resources |
| 19:39:13 | MSpin | grrr...my laundry is blocked between the wash and dry stage |
| 19:39:22 | kergoth` | blocked? |
| 19:39:23 | oGMo | kde2 just barely ran on a 128MB box |
| 19:39:36 | codemnky | with a flash card reader can you also transfer file to the flash? |
| 19:39:47 | MSpin | kergoth`gone: two washers, two dryers...mine is in the washer with both dryers in use |
| 19:39:48 | kergoth` | codemnky: of course |
| 19:39:52 | kergoth` | MSpin: ahhh. |
| 19:39:53 | codemnky | ok i don't have one |
| 19:39:55 | codemnky | i don't know |
| 19:39:56 | kergoth` | MSpin: that sucks |
| 19:40:12 | MSpin | kergoth`gone: yeah, I want to get a new place |
| 19:40:26 | sjohnson | codemnky: Yes. A flash reader can read and write flash cards. |
| 19:41:38 | kergoth` | MSpin: thats one thing i like about having bought a townhouse.. washer & dryer in the unit. convenient |
| 19:42:00 | MSpin | yes.....very |
| 19:42:16 | MSpin | my next place will have them |
| 19:42:19 | kergoth` | I want to set up x10 products to make my dryer notify me over a PA system that its done |
| 19:42:23 | zecke|away | hi kergoth` |
| 19:42:23 | kergoth` | cause I ALWAYS forget about my clothes |
| 19:42:28 | kergoth` | and then they're all dry and wrinkley |
| 19:42:30 | kergoth` | hey zecke|away |
| 19:42:35 | zecke|away | kergoth`: how can I build OpenZaurus myself? |
| 19:42:35 | kergoth` | msmax: hey max |
| 19:42:48 | kergoth` | zecke|away: pull down buildroot-oz module from openzaurus cvs and run 'make openzaurus' |
| 19:42:57 | kergoth` | zecke|away: then wait patiently :-) |
| 19:43:01 | zecke|away | kergoth`: I've built a gcc3 toolchain and I'm currently building Opie with it..... |
| 19:43:10 | kergoth` | zecke|away: oh nice |
| 19:43:12 | hunger | zecke|away: And nag kergoth to finally add opie! |
| 19:43:15 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 19:43:20 | kergoth` | yeah yeah yeah |
| 19:43:21 | kergoth` | problem is |
| 19:43:30 | zecke|away | kergoth`: how can I install my OpenZaurus then? |
| 19:43:32 | kergoth` | I havent figured a means of the user specify which parts of opie to build |
| 19:43:42 | kergoth` | zecke|away: make openzaurus will create a initrd.bin you can flash |
| 19:43:49 | kergoth` | zecke|away: the initrd.bin will not have opie or qt/e however |
| 19:43:55 | MSpin | kergoth`gone: heheh |
| 19:43:59 | hunger | kergoth`: Build them all, ask which parts to install to initrd. |
| 19:44:18 | kergoth` | hunger: yeah thats basically it.. i'll just set the packages in configs/openzaurus.mk i suppose |
| 19:44:22 | kergoth` | hunger: I'll start on it today |
| 19:44:27 | kergoth` | hunger: qt/e first of course |
| 19:44:33 | hunger | kergoth`: Great:-) |
| 19:44:33 | kolla | kergoth`: uhm..did a mistake, care to dcc me /usr/lib/libiw.so.24? |
| 19:44:48 | kergoth` | kolla: I would, but my Z doesnt boot just now |
| 19:44:52 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:44:57 | hunger | kergoth`: You wasted enough time on that stupid kernel upgrade that won't give any new features anyway;-) |
| 19:44:57 | kolla | ouch :) |
| 19:45:00 | kolla | anyone else? |
| 19:45:03 | kergoth` | hunger: hah |
| 19:45:09 | kergoth` | hunger: lower battery usage is a feature ;-) |
| 19:45:11 | NetAmp | kolla: is it in the default rom? |
| 19:45:22 | kolla | dont think so |
| 19:45:28 | NetAmp | k |
| 19:45:52 | hunger | kergoth`: Not for me. I have my Z connected to the power line at all times anyway. |
| 19:45:58 | kergoth` | hunger: hehe |
| 19:46:12 | kergoth` | hunger: but the kernel stuff is FUN |
| 19:46:14 | kergoth` | hunger: :-) |
| 19:46:17 | NetAmp | :D |
| 19:46:18 | hunger | kergoth`: Can't move with it too much anyway: My ethernet-cable is not that long. |
| 19:46:19 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:46:20 | asys3 | did anyone get to compile + run knights (chess for z) from www.houseoffish.org/knights ? |
| 19:46:21 | kergoth` | hah |
| 19:46:24 | kolla | sigh.. ldconfig complained about a link that pointed out in nowhere, and I was about to delete it, but managed to delete the file it was supposed to point at instead.. duh |
| 19:46:47 | kolla | the joys of tab completition :) |
| 19:47:02 | kergoth` | hah.. doh |
| 19:47:14 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:48:15 | numatrix | Anybody know how to ssh into their Z and run QT applications and have them show up on it? |
| 19:48:38 | oGMo | numatrix: run qt apps remotely? you can't |
| 19:48:44 | oGMo | not without VNC or whatever |
| 19:48:59 | treke | numatrix: just export QTDIR and QPEDIR properly and it should work fine |
| 19:49:10 | oGMo | oh, that's hwat you mean |
| 19:49:15 | oGMo | <-- dum ;) |
| 19:49:18 | Mickey0 | numatrix. sure. export QTDIR=/opt/QtPalmtop; export OPIEDIR=/opt/QtPalmtop |
| 19:49:31 | numatrix | treke: yeah, that's what I'm trying, but it's not working. Let me get the error. |
| 19:49:32 | hunger | numatrix: Don't you love help from the comunity? "Does not work" <-> "It's easy" :-) |
| 19:49:44 | Mickey0 | numatrix: you might need also export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib |
| 19:49:44 | numatrix | hunger: Some times you win, sometimes you lose... |
| 19:49:48 | numatrix | Did that as well. |
| 19:49:58 | hunger | numatrix: Check which vars get set in the opie/qpe start/stop script. |
| 19:49:59 | numatrix | Here's what I have that seemed relevant: |
| 19:50:01 | numatrix | QWS_DISPLAY=Transformed:Rot270:0 |
| 19:50:09 | numatrix | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/QtPalmtop/lib |
| 19:50:10 | numatrix | QTDIR=/home/QtPalmtop |
| 19:50:10 | numatrix | QPEDIR=/home/QtPalmtop |
| 19:50:58 | numatrix | Where is the qpe start/stop script? Anybody know? |
| 19:51:38 | kolla | aha |
| 19:51:46 | kolla | found the package where the file is located |
| 19:51:54 | hunger | numatrix: All start/stop scripts are in /etc/init.d |
| 19:52:27 | numatrix | hunger: I looked there, didn't see anything relevant. |
| 19:52:28 | Twiun | also have a look in /opt/Qtopia |
| 19:52:32 | Twiun | qpe.sh |
| 19:52:43 | numatrix | ahh, yeah, Twiun that looks like it. |
| 19:53:32 | numatrix | Ok, I just exported all those vars, still get the same problem. Here's the errors: |
| 19:53:40 | numatrix | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 19:53:40 | numatrix | (4x) |
| 19:53:46 | numatrix | No Qt/Embedded server appears to be running. |
| 19:53:49 | numatrix | If you want to run this program as a server, |
| 19:53:53 | numatrix | add the "-qws" command-line option. |
| 19:54:00 | Mickey0 | numatrix: append -qws |
| 19:54:10 | hunger | kergoth`: STRIKE! |
| 19:54:15 | kolla | there.. everything dandy again :) |
| 19:54:25 | hunger | kergoth`: Now the apps segfault and no longer cause a bus error! |
| 19:54:28 | numatrix | Mickey0: but I don't want that program running as a server... I already ahve a server (qpe!) running. |
| 19:54:46 | Mickey0 | numatrix: you might have deleted the magic files /tmp/qcop* ? |
| 19:55:07 | numatrix | yeah; adding -qws did bad things. |
| 19:55:16 | benmeyer | well I am off to have dinner |
| 19:55:26 | benmeyer | see you tomarrow for another episode of Zaurus |
| 19:55:28 | NetAmp | have a nice dinner |
| 19:55:34 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:55:54 | nelazul | okay, i installed openzaurus, followed all the instructions etc., but when it boots it's stuck on the "sharp" screen with a flashing cursor at the bottom... |
| 19:56:55 | [DrEvil] | it didn't flash then |
| 19:56:59 | Cloudchaser | did you change the name of the oz file? |
| 19:57:07 | [DrEvil] | zImage |
| 19:57:09 | nelazul | yeah |
| 19:57:19 | Cloudchaser | had power plugged in? |
| 19:57:22 | nelazul | yep |
| 19:57:26 | NetAmp | Hey does anyone know of a handwriting recognition app that can handle multiple characters at a time? |
| 19:57:28 | nelazul | i've done a bunch of flashes before |
| 19:57:45 | Cloudchaser | i guess just try it again then? |
| 19:57:47 | sjohnson | NetAmp: Nothing that isn't non-commerical |
| 19:57:57 | NetAmp | I wonder whether that would be even possible.. |
| 19:57:58 | nelazul | i did, i guess i'll go re-download the files |
| 19:58:10 | NetAmp | sjohnson: oh so there are commercial ones? |
| 19:58:37 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 19:58:39 | sjohnson | NetAmp: Yes. The best one M$ bought. Calligrapher |
| 19:58:57 | NetAmp | ouch... M$ at it again :S |
| 19:59:32 | sjohnson | The program is on the PPC cd's called Transcriber (?), I think. |
| 19:59:45 | NetAmp | hm that could be :) |
| 20:01:31 | frankps | has somebody tried to stream jazzradio.net on their Zaurus? |
| 20:01:38 | frankps | www.jazzradio.net |
| 20:05:39 | nadav | wow, internet is especially slow right now |
| 20:05:50 | NetAmp | :S |
| 20:06:05 | nadav | dialup, always is ;) |
| 20:06:13 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 20:06:15 | nadav | i'll hopefully be back with my cable in 2 days |
| 20:06:36 | nadav | omg, LOAD |
| 20:10:23 | george | hiya |
| 20:10:43 | frankps | Would someone be interested in porting this to Zaurus? http://ozone-o3.net/ |
| 20:10:46 | nadav | hey george |
| 20:11:12 | George- | hey nadav |
| 20:11:23 | George- | nadav: I got no network points in my bedroom anymore |
| 20:11:31 | George- | nadav: == very little irc for 2 days |
| 20:11:41 | nadav | oi |
| 20:12:16 | George- | nadav: yeh, guests have my room |
| 20:12:28 | George- | nadav: So i'm in my bro's room, which means no network |
| 20:12:28 | nadav | ah. |
| 20:12:35 | George- | nadav: I'm chatting on the gateway at the mo' :) |
| 20:12:37 | nadav | no wifi? ;) |
| 20:12:40 | George- | nope |
| 20:12:44 | George- | I have AirPort |
| 20:12:46 | nadav | bleh |
| 20:12:52 | George- | But no base station, WAP or whatever |
| 20:13:00 | nadav | get an AP you fool |
| 20:13:04 | nadav | it's like $80 |
| 20:13:16 | nadav | not like, you can get one for $80 |
| 20:13:29 | W|GGL|T | shit...i paid like $170 for my wap |
| 20:13:32 | George- | nadav: lol, i'm outa money =P |
| 20:13:37 | frankps | Is there no way to get Zaurus to work with AirPort, I have one laying arround as well |
| 20:13:38 | NetAmp | frankps: here's another one also: http://dcplusplus.sourceforge.net |
| 20:13:39 | nadav | W|GG-Libranet: does it include a router? |
| 20:13:46 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 20:13:53 | nadav | oh, those cost around that |
| 20:13:59 | nadav | the $80 is just an AP, no router |
| 20:14:02 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 20:14:24 | W|GGL|T | i shoulda just got a wap, since i'd already owned a router |
| 20:14:31 | nadav | ah. |
| 20:14:33 | W|GGL|T | now i have a router i don't use |
| 20:14:37 | nadav | yeah, i already have a router |
| 20:14:40 | nadav | i don't use it though |
| 20:14:45 | nadav | i just use a hub |
| 20:14:45 | W|GGL|T | and my wife is gonna kill me |
| 20:14:50 | frankps | Direct Connect is only a lot of unlegal downloads. BeShare is actually used by developers to share code and work together on it online |
| 20:14:58 | nadav | my isp let's me add up to 5 mac addresses |
| 20:15:12 | George- | nadav: lol, I already have a router; my trusty Athlon :) |
| 20:15:21 | frankps | And a place where the community meets, just like this irc |
| 20:15:52 | BigBoss | i've got some bad news about tkcVideo |
| 20:15:54 | NetAmp | frankps: ah nice :) |
| 20:16:01 | nadav | BigBoss: ? |
| 20:16:11 | BigBoss | I had to put up new screenshots with less suggestive titles |
| 20:16:18 | nadav | haha |
| 20:16:23 | nadav | no surprise there :) |
| 20:16:25 | George- | BigBoss: It doesn't play your latest porn? |
| 20:16:36 | George- | BigBoss: hehe :) |
| 20:17:07 | BigBoss | sure it will still play porn :) |
| 20:17:52 | W|GGL|T | has to pay $10/IP for each IP |
| 20:18:02 | George- | BigBoss: yeh, well you would know :) |
| 20:18:10 | George- | BigBoss: So what's the bad news? |
| 20:18:40 | nadav | wigglit: for an extra $10 my isp let's me add 5 mac addresses |
| 20:19:00 | frankps | bye all |
| 20:19:02 | George- | lol |
| 20:19:07 | George- | I can connect infinite computers |
| 20:19:13 | George- | I dunno how it works... |
| 20:19:23 | George- | I think they all connect via the same IP address |
| 20:19:27 | codemnky | they should call it a flash card reader/writer :) |
| 20:19:36 | nadav | well, sure |
| 20:19:40 | codemnky | i am now the proud own of one |
| 20:19:52 | treke|ho1e | neo, you around anywhere? |
| 20:19:59 | nadav | George-: i used to do that, but my dad's laptop needed its own IP for VPN |
| 20:20:06 | nadav | that's why i stopped using my router |
| 20:20:10 | codemnky | the openZ image didn't trans right and trashed eveything |
| 20:20:22 | nadav | ..which was sponsored by my dad's company of course |
| 20:20:38 | Cloudchaser | hey does anyone know if there's recordable cd's > 700 mb? |
| 20:20:43 | George- | nadav: lol, go shout at yer dad :) |
| 20:20:50 | nadav | George-: ? |
| 20:21:03 | George- | nadav: or connect with two IPs, one being the gateway for everyone else, and one being your dad's laptop |
| 20:21:23 | nadav | i could always hook the router up again.. |
| 20:21:34 | nadav | i'm fine with each box having a different ip though ;) |
| 20:21:34 | codemnky | hey kergoth |
| 20:21:52 | kergoth` | whole fuckign digi network went down |
| 20:22:01 | kergoth` | not just the internet connection either |
| 20:22:02 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 20:22:03 | codemnky | got me a flash reader |
| 20:22:05 | kergoth` | stupid fuckers in IT |
| 20:22:17 | kergoth` | who designs a network with a single point of failure? |
| 20:22:21 | kergoth` | jeeze |
| 20:22:31 | Cloudchaser | someone who still uses digi? |
| 20:22:31 | George- | me...? |
| 20:22:32 | George- | ;) |
| 20:22:36 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: hah |
| 20:23:11 | toolafial | we have a network with a single point of failure, it's cheaper that way |
| 20:23:29 | kergoth` | toolafial: cheaper, yes. tis true |
| 20:23:36 | kergoth` | toolafial: still lame. |
| 20:23:37 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 20:23:54 | toolafial | and one machine with many services on it, so if that one machine goes down ... |
| 20:24:01 | George- | what's a point of failure? :P |
| 20:25:12 | nadav | bahhh |
| 20:25:18 | nadav | i need more money fs ;) |
| 20:26:00 | sjohnson | George-: It a thing or place a system, that when it fails brings down the entire system. |
| 20:26:15 | George- | nadav: lol, still wanting a PowerBook? =P |
| 20:26:20 | nadav | George-: always. |
| 20:26:30 | nadav | George-: I need a loan ;) |
| 20:26:41 | George- | sticks his powerbook under nadav's nose |
| 20:26:45 | nadav | lol |
| 20:26:46 | George- | jeers |
| 20:26:57 | nadav | will one day buy a 800mhz powerbook |
| 20:27:06 | sjohnson | George-: An example would be having a single suse or circiot breaker for your entire house. |
| 20:27:08 | nadav | not that i wouldn't be happy with a 667mhz.. ;) |
| 20:27:14 | sjohnson | s/suse/fuse/ |
| 20:27:57 | nadav | i'm gonna go to actually look at a powerbook tomorrow ;) |
| 20:28:48 | nadav | maybe it'd be better if i don't though ;) |
| 20:29:28 | George- | waves his 667MHz powerbook |
| 20:29:35 | kergoth` | George-: bastard :-) |
| 20:29:52 | nadav | lol |
| 20:29:59 | kergoth` | cranks up the music .. hopes the people in neighboring cubes dont get pissed |
| 20:30:03 | George- | kergoth`: hmm? :) |
| 20:30:18 | kergoth` | George-: powerbook. i wish i could afford one of those. |
| 20:30:37 | sumeet_p | waves his 512MB/40GB/1.13GHz Vaio |
| 20:30:39 | nadav | heh |
| 20:30:54 | George- | kergoth`: You got that dell brick didn't you? |
| 20:31:07 | kergoth` | George-: nah i sent it back to get the better screen remember? |
| 20:31:13 | George- | sumeet_p: how can you live with that fact that your warranty voids when you change the OS? |
| 20:31:16 | BigBoss | I've got a Titanium - I love it |
| 20:31:17 | kergoth` | George-: but then i realized too many bills were due, so i didnt reorder. |
| 20:31:25 | kergoth` | George-: sniffle |
| 20:31:28 | George- | kergoth`: heh, I got my tibook for cheaper than that dell :) |
| 20:31:28 | Cloudchaser | aww |
| 20:31:33 | Cloudchaser | pats kergoth |
| 20:31:39 | sumeet_p | George-: Only I know it, they don't |
| 20:31:47 | Cloudchaser | stinks to get old and have those yukky bills doesn't it? |
| 20:31:57 | nadav | haha |
| 20:32:05 | George- | sumeet_p: haha |
| 20:32:06 | Cloudchaser | add a couple kids in...and you're like me with my 450 mhz pc |
| 20:32:09 | nadav | George-: we still have a few years before that starts, eh? ;) |
| 20:32:13 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 20:32:15 | W|GGL|T | me too |
| 20:32:16 | George- | pets his 667MHz/512MB/30GB powerbook |
| 20:32:30 | nadav | murders George- and steals his computers |
| 20:32:42 | George- | nadav: what *all* of them? |
| 20:32:56 | nadav | 2.. |
| 20:33:00 | George- | nadav: dude, I don't think you need that many =P |
| 20:33:16 | nadav | but you're dead, so you don't either |
| 20:33:16 | sumeet_p | people, there's an alternative OS for the Z, where can I get started on that? |
| 20:33:33 | | rumour has it openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 20:33:33 | toolafial | ibot openzaurus |
| 20:33:33 | George- | sumeet_p: what? |
| 20:33:50 | nadav | fs, i only need around $2100 |
| 20:33:50 | nadav | erm |
| 20:33:54 | nadav | i think i have around $1500 |
| 20:34:05 | George- | nadav: stop saying fs! |
| 20:34:06 | sumeet_p | George-: I'm looking for an alternate OS for the Z. |
| 20:34:19 | nadav | George-: it's impossible, 'fs' |
| 20:34:39 | toolafial | sumeet_p : openzaurus is what you are talking about |
| 20:34:43 | Twiun | BigBoss: You sure you got all the suggestive names off those screenshots? I can still see latina, mall_girl, lola1 on screenshot #1 ;-) |
| 20:34:56 | NetAmp | Twiun: hah ;) |
| 20:35:21 | Twiun | (and screenshot #2)... |
| 20:35:28 | Twiun | 3... |
| 20:36:02 | Twiun | rofl... especially #4 |
| 20:36:03 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 20:36:11 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: hehe. hopefully kids are a ways off yet ;-) |
| 20:36:20 | Twiun | teens_undress and xXx_DivX... |
| 20:36:31 | NetAmp | hehehe |
| 20:36:33 | Twiun | BigBoss: looks like the update hasn't gone through yet ;-) |
| 20:37:24 | NetAmp | http://www.weebl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b3ta/pie.html |
| 20:37:25 | NetAmp | http://www.weebl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b3ta/pie.html |
| 20:37:25 | NetAmp | http://www.weebl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b3ta/pie.html |
| 20:37:30 | NetAmp | check it out ;) |
| 20:37:39 | NetAmp | (it's Flash) |
| 20:38:32 | whardier | ooo |
| 20:38:34 | whardier | oops |
| 20:38:36 | toolafial | man I just bought me a Dlink 650W wlan card I hope the wife doesn't through a fit |
| 20:38:37 | whardier | you guys aren't mplayer |
| 20:38:38 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 20:38:51 | W|GGL|T | toolafial: lol....same here |
| 20:38:54 | sumeet_p | mmm pie!!! |
| 20:38:55 | toolafial | the $50 mail in rebate was pretty cool |
| 20:38:58 | W|GGL|T | she aint found out yet |
| 20:39:13 | toolafial | made the whole thing $40 |
| 20:39:22 | W|GGL|T | bring pie |
| 20:39:24 | nadav | toolafial: where'd you buy it? |
| 20:39:24 | toolafial | cheapest wireless card i've found |
| 20:39:29 | toolafial | circut city |
| 20:39:33 | W|GGL|T | huh? |
| 20:39:42 | W|GGL|T | i bought mine at CC and didn't see any rebate |
| 20:39:43 | W|GGL|T | ???? |
| 20:39:55 | sumeet_p | hmm toolafial, my linksys is kinda hokie, I'll give the DCW a shot |
| 20:40:08 | toolafial | they are mail in rebates, I guess I should have been more clear |
| 20:40:22 | toolafial | but circut city is handling the rebates |
| 20:40:29 | W|GGL|T | i should take mine back |
| 20:40:36 | toolafial | I would |
| 20:40:38 | W|GGL|T | they didn't give me no rebates |
| 20:41:27 | LarryGarfield | Hm, I just burned my tongue on hot chocolate... |
| 20:41:37 | W|GGL|T | ouch |
| 20:41:55 | toolafial | I've burned my tongue on a hot fork |
| 20:41:55 | W|GGL|T | that url is cool |
| 20:41:59 | toolafial | it hurt like hell |
| 20:42:24 | sumeet_p | I burnt my leg on the motorcycle exhaust |
| 20:42:26 | LarryGarfield | That would hurt. |
| 20:42:35 | W|GGL|T | ive done that before too |
| 20:42:41 | zecke|away | kergoth`: I'm currently running Opie with Qt2 and gcc3 over NFS |
| 20:42:42 | LarryGarfield | And the worst part is, I can't taste the chololate now! :-( |
| 20:43:17 | Twiun | LarryGarfield: Question is... how does the person you slathered it on beforehand feel now? |
| 20:43:20 | Twiun | grins |
| 20:44:32 | LarryGarfield | eh? |
| 20:45:13 | Twiun | Oh... sorry... there goes my wild imagination again... can't seem to curb those innuendos |
| 20:46:40 | kolla | what is the difference between opie-mail and opie-mail2? |
| 20:46:43 | kendrick2 | hello |
| 20:46:56 | W|GGL|T | want pie now! |
| 20:47:02 | sumeet_p | mmm pie |
| 20:47:03 | W|GGL|T | hi kendrick2 |
| 20:47:14 | LarryGarfield | strangles RCN |
| 20:47:47 | W|GGL|T | wonders who's the voice for that pie url |
| 20:47:53 | sumeet_p | PIE!!! |
| 20:47:57 | W|GGL|T | ow |
| 20:47:58 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 20:48:05 | sumeet_p | wanker. |
| 20:48:08 | W|GGL|T | when come back, bring pie |
| 20:48:15 | sumeet_p | hehe |
| 20:48:19 | W|GGL|T | trying the donkey one |
| 20:48:32 | LarryGarfield | So as I was saying, are Jason or David alive today, or just lurking? :-) |
| 20:48:36 | W|GGL|T | lol...those are sooooo funny |
| 20:49:17 | sumeet_p | er .... |
| 20:50:26 | W|GGL|T | http://www.weebl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b3ta/bull.html |
| 20:50:30 | numatrix | Is ZSI down? |
| 20:51:15 | Twiun | looks like it |
| 20:51:30 | W|GGL|T | makes me wanna play with flash! |
| 20:52:16 | sumeet_p | uh huh! |
| 20:52:20 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 42 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: has trolltech ever released the promised new linux-qtopiadesktop-version? [Wed Jul 31 20:09:49 2002] |
| 20:52:20 | numatrix | ibot: seen killefiz |
| 20:52:21 | kendrick2 | ZSI looks to be down :^( |
| 20:53:01 | numatrix | Holy cow; a traceroute from my machine to killefiz takes 25 hops. |
| 20:53:32 | numatrix | Ok, it's back... |
| 20:54:15 | Twiun | 16 hops here |
| 20:54:20 | Twiun | still a bit much |
| 20:54:34 | NetAmp | wants pie |
| 20:55:05 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 20:55:31 | NetAmp | folks i'm outta here |
| 20:55:37 | NetAmp | "When come back, bring pie!" |
| 20:55:43 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 20:55:59 | sumeet_p | hehe |
| 20:56:11 | W|GGL|T | i usually HATE flash |
| 20:56:14 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 20:56:18 | NetAmp | yarrr |
| 20:56:25 | W|GGL|T | where's that one with the fighting stickmen? |
| 20:56:29 | W|GGL|T | you guys ever see that one? |
| 20:56:57 | NetAmp | yeah it rocks |
| 20:57:10 | W|GGL|T | yeah, that one is awesome |
| 20:57:11 | sumeet_p | was that the kung-fu one? |
| 20:57:14 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 20:57:33 | NetAmp | http://sandkasse.chrillesen.dk/fight.swf |
| 20:57:35 | NetAmp | there's one... |
| 20:57:40 | W|GGL|T | yes! |
| 20:57:40 | sumeet_p | hang on, lemme see if I still have the link |
| 20:58:02 | NetAmp | just searched for 'fight1.swf' on Google |
| 20:58:08 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 20:58:12 | LarryGarfield | I'm about to disconnect again, I can feel it..... |
| 20:58:15 | W|GGL|T | i couldn't even remember the name |
| 20:58:39 | LarryGarfield | RCN is working on the boxes near here, so my connection is going in and out more times than a male gigalo. |
| 20:58:54 | LarryGarfield | thwaps himself |
| 20:59:09 | NetAmp | http://www.stickdeath.com/ |
| 20:59:45 | NetAmp | I need to get myself some pie and then sleep... C-ya |
| 20:59:49 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 20:59:51 | W|GGL|T | later |
| 21:00:52 | mdz | is away: not here |
| 21:00:58 | sumeet_p | http://robinsk.net/fight.swf |
| 21:01:30 | W|GGL|T | looks like there's a crapload of mirrors |
| 21:01:39 | nadav | erm |
| 21:01:42 | nadav | newegg has a case for the Z |
| 21:01:49 | kendrick2 | "hehe... 'terminate' credit card debt" |
| 21:01:55 | kendrick2 | "The Price of our services is 1995.00. ALL Forms of Payment Accepted" |
| 21:02:03 | nadav | a rather crappy one |
| 21:02:04 | kendrick2 | so, like, can i pay with a credit card, and then 'terminate' my debt? |
| 21:02:07 | nadav | for $5 ;) |
| 21:03:31 | kendrick2 | thinks he won't get his corrected .po file today |
| 21:03:43 | kendrick2 | time for a release! |
| 21:06:05 | kergoth` | al jlgk dsalgk slkd gklasgs! |
| 21:06:43 | kendrick2 | is that finnish? |
| 21:06:49 | kergoth` | gibberish :-) |
| 21:06:56 | kergoth` | stupid customers |
| 21:06:57 | kergoth` | !! |
| 21:07:01 | kergoth` | anyway |
| 21:07:02 | kendrick2 | where do you work? |
| 21:07:14 | kergoth` | digi international (formerly digiboard) in tech support |
| 21:07:17 | kergoth` | serial ports |
| 21:07:18 | kergoth` | fun fun |
| 21:07:22 | kendrick2 | ah |
| 21:08:11 | kendrick2 | and SDL isn't getting 'em tho? |
| 21:08:12 | kendrick2 | hmm |
| 21:08:13 | kendrick2 | shit! |
| 21:08:20 | George- | kergoth`: still getting really stupid retards? :) |
| 21:08:23 | kendrick2 | wrong window :) |
| 21:08:51 | nadav | lol |
| 21:09:04 | nadav | George-: what else would you get doing tech support? ;) |
| 21:09:05 | George- | I'm off |
| 21:09:11 | nadav | ok, later |
| 21:09:14 | George- | nadav: well, they can't be worse than u |
| 21:09:17 | George- | nadav: hehe :) |
| 21:09:27 | nadav | shut up ;) |
| 21:09:33 | George- | hey |
| 21:09:36 | George- | you ass :) |
| 21:09:38 | George- | OK |
| 21:09:40 | George- | Bye all |
| 21:09:43 | kergoth` | whee |
| 21:09:44 | kergoth` | bye george |
| 21:09:45 | nadav | cya bitch |
| 21:09:48 | | ACTION shoots george in the head. |
| 21:09:48 | kergoth` | ibot: shoot george |
| 21:10:06 | | ACTION rampages, killing everyone in sight! |
| 21:10:06 | kergoth` | ibot go postal |
| 21:10:21 | George- | Bye useless idiot^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H nadav |
| 21:10:37 | | George-: sorry... |
| 21:10:37 | George- | ibot shoot that-useless-dumb-fuckin'-bot-ibot |
| 21:10:47 | | George-: huh? |
| 21:10:47 | George- | ibot shoot that-useless-dumb-fucking_bot_ibot |
| 21:10:52 | George- | grrr |
| 21:10:56 | | George-: huh? |
| 21:10:56 | George- | ibot shoot ibot |
| 21:11:00 | George- | ?!?!?!?!?! |
| 21:11:07 | Mickey|away | is leaving for a while... |
| 21:11:10 | | George-: what? |
| 21:11:10 | George- | ibot: shoot ibot |
| 21:11:13 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 21:11:13 | George- | ibot: shoot iafga |
| 21:11:16 | George- | hmm |
| 21:11:17 | George- | you suck |
| 21:11:23 | George- | kergoth`: how do you do it? =P |
| 21:11:27 | | erikd: i'm not following you... |
| 21:11:27 | erikd | ibot: shoot george- |
| 21:11:36 | erikd | hmm |
| 21:11:42 | erikd | no work :) |
| 21:11:43 | | ACTION shoots george in the head. |
| 21:11:43 | George- | ibot: shoot george |
| 21:11:46 | George- | WTF? |
| 21:11:56 | | George-: I forgot shoot george |
| 21:11:56 | George- | ibot forget shoot george |
| 21:11:59 | George- | grrr |
| 21:12:00 | | erikd: huh? |
| 21:12:00 | erikd | ibot: shoot ibot |
| 21:12:02 | George- | some day... |
| 21:12:10 | | erikd: excuse me? |
| 21:12:10 | erikd | ibot shoot george |
| 21:12:16 | erikd | ... |
| 21:12:17 | | OK, George-. |
| 21:12:17 | George- | ibot shoot is <action> shoots $1 in the head |
| 21:12:20 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 21:12:20 | George- | ibot shoot ibot |
| 21:12:25 | | ACTION shoots $1 in the head |
| 21:12:25 | George- | ibot shoot |
| 21:12:35 | | OK, George-. |
| 21:12:35 | George- | ibot shoot $nick is <action> shoots $nick in the head |
| 21:12:41 | | George-: excuse me? |
| 21:12:41 | George- | ibot shoot agdf |
| 21:12:44 | | George-: huh? |
| 21:12:44 | George- | ibot shoot george- |
| 21:12:49 | | ACTION shoots $nick in the head |
| 21:12:49 | erikd | ibot shoot $nick |
| 21:12:52 | erikd | heh |
| 21:12:53 | kergoth` | lol |
| 21:12:57 | erikd | you broke it :) |
| 21:12:58 | kergoth` | wonder how ya do that |
| 21:13:07 | | George-: I forgot shoot $nick |
| 21:13:07 | George- | ibot forget shoot $nick |
| 21:13:19 | | ...but shoot kergoth is <action>shoots kergoth in the head.... |
| 21:13:19 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth is <action> shoots kergoth in the head |
| 21:13:37 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 21:13:37 | erikd | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 21:13:42 | | erikd: excuse me? |
| 21:13:42 | erikd | ibot shoot me |
| 21:13:44 | Oriumpor | shoot <nick> is <action> shoots $nick in the head |
| 21:13:49 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 21:13:49 | Oriumpor | ibot shoot <nick> is <action> shoots $nick in the head |
| 21:13:51 | Harlekin | George-: you think that is funny? |
| 21:13:56 | | erikd: i'm not following you... |
| 21:13:56 | erikd | ibot shoot ibot |
| 21:14:01 | Oriumpor | blah |
| 21:14:02 | | erikd: excuse me? |
| 21:14:02 | erikd | ibot shoot erikd |
| 21:14:06 | | Oriumpor: i'm not following you... |
| 21:14:06 | Oriumpor | ibot shoot yourself |
| 21:14:06 | George- | Harlekin: hmm? |
| 21:14:07 | erikd | stops |
| 21:14:15 | | Oriumpor: excuse me? |
| 21:14:15 | Oriumpor | ibot you suck |
| 21:14:15 | LarryGarfield | Let's see if the Linux box will be more stable. :_) |
| 21:14:22 | | ACTION explodes |
| 21:14:22 | Oriumpor | ibot blow up |
| 21:14:29 | erikd | hehe |
| 21:14:48 | | wish i knew, larrygarfield |
| 21:14:48 | LarryGarfield | ibot ever heard of Isaac Asimov? |
| 21:14:54 | George- | Harlekin: something wrong? |
| 21:14:58 | BigBoss | stupid ibot |
| 21:15:03 | | i guess stupid is everyone |
| 21:15:03 | LarryGarfield | ibot stupid |
| 21:15:13 | kergoth` | agrees with ibot |
| 21:15:32 | | erikd: what? |
| 21:15:32 | erikd | ibot shoot erikd |
| 21:15:35 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 21:15:35 | erikd | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 21:15:46 | | erikd: huh? |
| 21:15:46 | erikd | ibot shoot me |
| 21:15:50 | LarryGarfield | So as I keep trying to ask, are David or Jason around, or just lurking? |
| 21:15:50 | erikd | *sigh* |
| 21:15:52 | | i haven't a clue, oriumpor |
| 21:15:52 | Oriumpor | ibot what's the first law of robotics? |
| 21:15:59 | toolafial | Out Out !! You Deamons of STUPIDITY!! |
| 21:16:00 | | OK, kergoth`. |
| 21:16:00 | kergoth` | ibot shoot erikd is <action> shoots erikd in the head. |
| 21:16:01 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 21:16:01 | Oriumpor | ibot the first law of robotics is pizza |
| 21:16:01 | erikd | never harm a human! |
| 21:16:04 | LarryGarfield | Hm, well, at least xchat reconnects faster than Trillian does. |
| 21:16:20 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 21:16:20 | Oriumpor | ibot the second law of robotics is do anything to get pizza |
| 21:16:27 | nadav | eww, i hate the trillian irc client |
| 21:16:33 | Oriumpor | and the third law of robotics is Oriumpor is not a pizza |
| 21:16:37 | W|GGL|T | my trillian blew up on me |
| 21:16:40 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 21:16:40 | Oriumpor | ibot the third law of robotics is Oriumpor is not a pizza |
| 21:16:50 | W|GGL|T | something went corrupt and i lost all my contacts |
| 21:16:51 | | i haven't a clue, oriumpor |
| 21:16:51 | Oriumpor | ibot what are the laws of robotics? |
| 21:16:54 | | the third law of robotics is Oriumpor is not a pizza |
| 21:16:54 | erikd | ibot the third law of robotics? |
| 21:16:57 | erikd | hehe |
| 21:17:07 | LarryGarfield | snickers |
| 21:17:08 | | kergoth`: I forgot third law of robotics |
| 21:17:08 | kergoth` | ibot forget the third law of robotics |
| 21:17:10 | | OK, kergoth`. |
| 21:17:10 | kergoth` | ibot the third law of robotics is get soda, as long as it doesnt interfere with the first 2 laws. |
| 21:17:16 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 21:17:20 | | z is zaurus |
| 21:17:20 | erikd | ibot z? |
| 21:17:26 | | somebody said zaurus was at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 21:17:26 | erikd | ibot zaurus? |
| 21:17:30 | erikd | oooh |
| 21:17:31 | erikd | long |
| 21:17:45 | LarryGarfield | hm. |
| 21:17:48 | | ...but there is already examples in the buildroot makefiles... |
| 21:17:48 | | ...but there are already examples in the buildroot makefiles... |
| 21:17:48 | Oriumpor | ibot there are 12 screws holding it together |
| 21:17:48 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 21:18:10 | | erikd: i don't know |
| 21:18:10 | erikd | ibot erikd? |
| 21:18:13 | erikd | good. |
| 21:18:20 | LarryGarfield | ibot is is a conjugation of the verb "to be" |
| 21:18:23 | | rumour has it there is not here |
| 21:18:23 | kergoth` | ibot: there? |
| 21:18:26 | kergoth` | hah |
| 21:18:29 | LarryGarfield | lol |
| 21:18:34 | | here is, like, a pic, the silk screening isnt perfect, it is more of a cream than white, but it was just a test http://www.tuxboxproject.com/images/Jan16_01.JPG |
| 21:18:34 | erikd | ibot here? |
| 21:18:35 | | here is a pic, the silk screening isnt perfect, it is more of a cream than white, but it was just a test http://www.tuxboxproject.com/images/Jan16_01.JPG |
| 21:18:35 | kergoth` | ibot here? |
| 21:18:37 | kergoth` | lol |
| 21:18:41 | | kergoth`: I forgot here |
| 21:18:41 | kergoth` | ibot: forget here |
| 21:18:44 | erikd | beat 'ya |
| 21:18:44 | | OK, kergoth`. |
| 21:18:44 | kergoth` | ibot: here is not there |
| 21:18:51 | Oriumpor | what the |
| 21:18:59 | | I haven't seen 'mdx', prpplague |
| 21:18:59 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdx |
| 21:19:00 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 21:19:00 | Oriumpor | ibot here <reply> is relative |
| 21:19:04 | | i guess here is not there |
| 21:19:04 | Oriumpor | ibot here |
| 21:19:05 | | mdz was last seen on #zaurus 18 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: is away: not here [Wed Jul 31 22:00:52 2002] |
| 21:19:05 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz |
| 21:19:14 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 21:19:20 | | kergoth`s clients is nothing but a pignutted pile of tofu-nibbling entrails. |
| 21:19:20 | Pitr | ibot insult kergoth`s clients |
| 21:19:27 | | here <reply> is probably relative |
| 21:19:27 | kergoth` | ibot: here <reply>? |
| 21:19:27 | erikd | haha |
| 21:19:29 | LarryGarfield | rofl |
| 21:19:30 | kergoth` | lol |
| 21:19:31 | sumeet_p | has been always curious about sysadmin tasks |
| 21:19:33 | Pitr | lol |
| 21:19:34 | prpplague | mdz: hey have worked on the matchbox stuff? |
| 21:19:49 | | erikd: I forgot here |
| 21:19:49 | erikd | ibot forget here |
| 21:19:57 | | OK, erikd. |
| 21:19:57 | erikd | ibot here is <reply> here is probably relative |
| 21:19:59 | | here is probably relative |
| 21:19:59 | erikd | ibot here? |
| 21:20:01 | Oriumpor | sumeet_p: I swear I only spend like 3 hours a day talking to bots |
| 21:20:08 | kergoth` | Oriumpor: liar |
| 21:20:14 | Oriumpor | ok... maybe four |
| 21:20:31 | Oriumpor | I gotta spend time getting coffee and stuff from the breakroom |
| 21:20:39 | kergoth` | yes definately |
| 21:20:41 | | no idea, erikd |
| 21:20:41 | erikd | ibot oriumpor? |
| 21:20:43 | kergoth` | get your priorities straight man |
| 21:20:47 | kergoth` | its coffee, THEN irc |
| 21:20:55 | | Pitr: I forgot kergoth |
| 21:20:55 | Pitr | ibot forget kergoth |
| 21:21:02 | | OK, erikd. |
| 21:21:02 | erikd | ibot oriumpor is a compulsive bot chatter |
| 21:21:06 | erikd | oriumpor? |
| 21:21:10 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 21:21:10 | Oriumpor | ibot Pitr is an evil genius |
| 21:21:11 | | OK, Pitr. |
| 21:21:11 | Pitr | ibot kergoth is <reply> Man KERGOTH has some SERIOUSLY screwed up clients! |
| 21:21:13 | | oriumpor is, like, a compulsive bot chatter |
| 21:21:13 | erikd | ibot oriumpor? |
| 21:21:19 | | ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 21:21:19 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 21:21:20 | | kergoth`: I forgot kergoth |
| 21:21:20 | kergoth` | ibot: forget kergoth |
| 21:21:31 | | Oriumpor: I forgot ibot |
| 21:21:31 | Oriumpor | ibot forget ibot |
| 21:21:32 | | OK, kergoth`. |
| 21:21:32 | kergoth` | ibot: kergoth is <reply> Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script. |
| 21:21:34 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script. |
| 21:21:34 | kergoth` | ibot: kergoth? |
| 21:21:42 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 21:21:43 | | ...but kergoth is <reply> Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script.... |
| 21:21:43 | treke | ibot, kergoth is a very violent person when he doesnt get his clients... and when he does |
| 21:21:53 | | okay, treke. |
| 21:21:53 | treke | ibot, kergoth is also a very violent person when he doesnt get his clients... and when he does |
| 21:21:57 | Pitr | LOL |
| 21:22:02 | | OK, erikd. |
| 21:22:02 | erikd | ibot erikd is <reply> His other computer is a 4000 node beowulf cluster. |
| 21:22:05 | | His other computer is a 4000 node beowulf cluster. |
| 21:22:05 | erikd | ibot erikd? |
| 21:22:13 | prpplague | kergoth`: no not shell script with a small busybox function |
| 21:22:16 | | Oriumpor: what? |
| 21:22:16 | Oriumpor | ibot beowulf cluster |
| 21:22:28 | kergoth` | prpplague: hah |
| 21:22:34 | erikd | goes back to cleaning |
| 21:22:38 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 21:22:38 | Oriumpor | ibot beowulf cluster is in erikd's basement made up of SA1000's |
| 21:22:44 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script. or a very violent person when he doesnt get his clients... and when he does |
| 21:22:44 | kergoth` | ibot: kergoth? |
| 21:22:57 | kergoth` | hm that doesnt work so well |
| 21:23:02 | treke | wtf? that was meant to be coffee |
| 21:23:12 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 21:23:12 | Oriumpor | ibot kergoth is <reply> needs his coffee. |
| 21:23:20 | | needs his coffee. |
| 21:23:20 | Oriumpor | ibot kergoth |
| 21:23:28 | LarryGarfield | is always happy to see such mature and dignified behavior on the part of technical specialists. :-) |
| 21:23:30 | Oriumpor | much better |
| 21:23:52 | | OK, LarryGarfield. |
| 21:23:52 | LarryGarfield | ibot LarryGarfield is <reply> in no way related to the Cat or President. |
| 21:24:01 | | in no way related to the Cat or President. |
| 21:24:01 | LarryGarfield | ibot LarryGarfield |
| 21:24:03 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 21:24:03 | kergoth` | ibot: kergoth? |
| 21:24:05 | | in no way related to the Cat or President. |
| 21:24:05 | LarryGarfield | ibot LarryGarfield? |
| 21:24:05 | | i guess kergoth is at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 21:24:05 | kergoth` | ibot: kergoth? |
| 21:24:06 | Oriumpor | LarryGarfield: be careful.... you've only said like 3 things... alicebot is much more conversational |
| 21:24:09 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 21:24:09 | kergoth` | ibot: kergoth? |
| 21:24:10 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 21:24:26 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 21:24:27 | LarryGarfield | Oriumpor: Well, my connection keeps dropping. :-) |
| 21:24:42 | LarryGarfield | Besides, I really just came in to look for a few folks. |
| 21:24:46 | Oriumpor | that has nothing to do with you dissing techies |
| 21:24:51 | LarryGarfield | I am a techie! |
| 21:24:54 | Oriumpor | absolutely |
| 21:24:55 | Oriumpor | nothing |
| 21:25:00 | | rumour has it kergoth is a very violent person when he doesnt get his clients.. and when he does |
| 21:25:00 | kergoth` | ibot: kergoth? |
| 21:25:00 | LarryGarfield | Notice the :-) at the end. |
| 21:25:18 | treke | ibot is having problems today |
| 21:25:29 | | What I want to find out is -- do parrots know much about Astro-Turf? |
| 21:25:29 | kergoth` | ibot yow |
| 21:25:35 | kergoth` | hah |
| 21:25:38 | LarryGarfield | lol |
| 21:26:31 | | Oriumpor: huh? |
| 21:26:31 | Oriumpor | ibot random |
| 21:26:37 | | Oriumpor: what? |
| 21:26:37 | Oriumpor | ibot reply randomly |
| 21:26:44 | | Oriumpor: huh? |
| 21:26:44 | Oriumpor | ibot say something funny or die. |
| 21:26:49 | Oriumpor | what a boring bot |
| 21:26:51 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 21:26:57 | | Everybody gets free BORSCHT! |
| 21:26:57 | kergoth` | ibot yow |
| 21:26:58 | | oriumpor: bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:26:58 | Oriumpor | ibot boring? |
| 21:26:59 | | I'm having an EMOTIONAL OUTBURST!! But, uh, WHY is there a WAFFLE in my PAJAMA POCKET?? |
| 21:26:59 | kergoth` | ibot yow |
| 21:27:06 | kergoth` | lol |
| 21:27:09 | Oriumpor | well |
| 21:27:11 | | ...but dance is <action> does a dicso dance. |<action> does an 80's style breakdance |<action> shakes its groove thang!... |
| 21:27:11 | LarryGarfield | ibot dance is /me tapdances |
| 21:27:13 | Oriumpor | that was pretty damned funny |
| 21:27:22 | Oriumpor | dance |
| 21:27:24 | | ACTION does an 80's style breakdance |
| 21:27:24 | Oriumpor | ibot dance |
| 21:27:26 | | ACTION does a dicso dance. |
| 21:27:26 | Oriumpor | ibot dance |
| 21:27:27 | | ACTION shakes its groove thang! |
| 21:27:27 | Oriumpor | ibot dance |
| 21:27:27 | | ACTION does an 80's style breakdance |
| 21:27:27 | erikd | ibot dance |
| 21:27:33 | LarryGarfield | hm, taken I see. :-) |
| 21:27:35 | kergoth` | quote of the day: WHY is there a WAFFLE in my PAJAMA POCKET?? |
| 21:27:35 | | hmmm... die is DADO, DADO, DADO!!!! |
| 21:27:35 | erikd | ibot die |
| 21:27:38 | Oriumpor | he's pretty talented |
| 21:27:40 | erikd | uhm |
| 21:27:42 | | Wintre: sorry... |
| 21:27:42 | Wintre | ibot do something creative and interesting |
| 21:27:43 | LarryGarfield | fires at ibot's feet |
| 21:27:45 | | ACTION does a dicso dance. |
| 21:27:46 | LarryGarfield | ibot dance |
| 21:27:48 | | I would like to urinate in an OVULAR, porcelain pool -- |
| 21:27:48 | Oriumpor | ibot yow |
| 21:27:51 | | Wintre: excuse me? |
| 21:27:51 | Wintre | ibot pass the Turing test |
| 21:27:52 | kergoth` | aha |
| 21:27:54 | Oriumpor | whahahaha |
| 21:27:56 | kergoth` | lmao |
| 21:28:07 | | Don't SANFORIZE me!! |
| 21:28:07 | Oriumpor | ibot yow |
| 21:28:09 | | OK, kergoth`. |
| 21:28:09 | kergoth` | ibot pass the Turing test is <reply> No. |
| 21:28:21 | | Wintre: huh? |
| 21:28:21 | Wintre | ibot zippy |
| 21:28:26 | | Hmmm ... an arrogant bouquet with a subtle suggestion of POLYVINYL CHLORIDE ... |
| 21:28:26 | kergoth` | ibot yow |
| 21:28:37 | Wintre | Zippy the PINHEAD you idiot piece of maladjusted software |
| 21:28:39 | kergoth` | an arrogant bouquet |
| 21:28:44 | kergoth` | that describes some board meetings i'd say |
| 21:28:45 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 21:30:06 | LarryGarfield | Anyone tried tkcVideo yet? |
| 21:30:50 | BigBoss | yea, it rocks |
| 21:30:51 | treke | BigBoss really digs it |
| 21:31:00 | BigBoss | if you don't buy it then we both loose money ;) |
| 21:31:17 | BigBoss | I'm pretty sure it will solve world hunger and global warming if only enough people will buy it |
| 21:31:34 | | BigBoss: what? |
| 21:31:34 | BigBoss | ibot killefiz |
| 21:31:40 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 21:31:40 | BigBoss | ibot feed |
| 21:31:49 | LarryGarfield | Ah, there you are. :) |
| 21:33:35 | kolla | any reason to use familiar on zaurus? |
| 21:33:39 | kergoth` | kolla: no |
| 21:33:45 | kolla | good :) |
| 21:33:46 | BigBoss | rikkus: how goes it? |
| 21:33:48 | kergoth` | kolla: openzaurus is debian based also and runs familiar packages just fine |
| 21:34:02 | kolla | yes, I have used a few.. ntpdate for one |
| 21:34:18 | prpplague | kergoth`: hey you know any references on the debian style /usr/lib/menu system? |
| 21:34:21 | ljp_ | kergoth: do you can an ic scripts fro your stock answers that you use al the time? |
| 21:34:30 | ljp_ | s/irc/ic |
| 21:34:41 | ljp_ | ga |
| 21:34:44 | KhensU_work | prpplague: what do you want to know? |
| 21:34:45 | rikkus | BigBoss: ok |
| 21:34:46 | ljp_ | do you have.. |
| 21:34:47 | LarryGarfield | By debian-based, you mean the directory tree is Debian-esque not RedHat-esque? |
| 21:34:49 | kergoth` | ljp_: problems speaking? hehe |
| 21:34:52 | kolla | who's maintaining http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/current/ ? |
| 21:34:56 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: yes. and the startup script system also |
| 21:35:00 | ljp_ | apparently so |
| 21:35:05 | rikkus | BigBoss: downloading the current Sharp ROM to see if it fixes some problems |
| 21:35:20 | LarryGarfield | Gotcha. |
| 21:35:22 | prpplague | KhensU_work: basic configuration, i don't use debian so i'm not sure of the directory contents or structure |
| 21:35:26 | LarryGarfield | Is the basic Z like that as well? |
| 21:35:27 | kergoth` | kolla: his nick on irc is Mickey0, i keep forgetting his real name |
| 21:35:28 | ljp_ | bbl |
| 21:35:31 | BigBoss | rikkus: looking forward to good news then :) |
| 21:35:36 | kolla | kergoth`ah, ok |
| 21:35:46 | toolafial | I love having a VC on the Zaurus it looks so cool |
| 21:35:59 | kergoth` | VC? |
| 21:36:12 | nadav | VNC?> |
| 21:36:15 | kolla | one of these day I gotta try UAE on zaurus.. just for the kicks of it :) |
| 21:36:26 | kergoth` | UAE? |
| 21:36:31 | kolla | the amiga emulator |
| 21:36:41 | kolla | willprobably be dog slow :) |
| 21:36:50 | darienm | I had SEX on my Zaurus once, but it was a less than pleasant experience. |
| 21:36:55 | kergoth` | hah |
| 21:37:01 | LarryGarfield | Oh dear. |
| 21:37:04 | kergoth` | damn acronyms |
| 21:37:14 | kergoth` | goes back to comparing registers |
| 21:37:15 | VanDerVek | shit |
| 21:37:15 | kolla | I'd be lucky if I get to compile even |
| 21:37:31 | toolafial | VC = virtual console |
| 21:37:38 | toolafial | or non-graphical console |
| 21:37:43 | kolla | there are VCs on zaurus? |
| 21:37:47 | LarryGarfield | thwaps RCN |
| 21:37:53 | kolla | but.. there are no F-keys :) |
| 21:38:03 | toolafial | only if you don't start qtopia, or opie |
| 21:38:09 | kergoth` | well, you can use chvt & friends |
| 21:38:17 | kolla | how do you change between them? |
| 21:38:21 | kergoth` | chvt 2... chvt 3.. |
| 21:38:31 | kolla | from command line? |
| 21:38:33 | kergoth` | yep |
| 21:38:39 | kergoth` | wonder if theres other ways |
| 21:38:44 | Harlekin | kergoth`: the problem is to let the touchscreen know it |
| 21:38:44 | kergoth` | we could assign a key combination |
| 21:38:47 | kolla | uhm.. useless, I'm usually in the middle of an app :) |
| 21:38:51 | kolla | how about screen? |
| 21:39:05 | kergoth` | Harlekin: true that. we're referring to using straight console, nothing that uses the ts.. |
| 21:39:13 | Harlekin | kergoth`: ipaq kernel is just prepared for that |
| 21:39:14 | kergoth` | kolla: screen would work fine i'd think |
| 21:39:15 | kolla | there it is.. familiar package screen :) |
| 21:39:25 | kergoth` | Harlekin: how would that be handled? |
| 21:39:27 | Harlekin | kergoth`: and opie taskbar app for that afterwards |
| 21:39:27 | whardier | is the perfect drug |
| 21:39:27 | whardier | runs around |
| 21:39:37 | Harlekin | kergoth`: kernel input |
| 21:39:37 | kergoth` | whardier: NIN? |
| 21:39:41 | whardier | yeh |
| 21:39:44 | whardier | augh |
| 21:39:48 | kergoth` | Harlekin: they're switching to the input layer? |
| 21:39:50 | KhensU_work | prpplague: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ |
| 21:39:51 | whardier | why does everybody want logos with TUX in it |
| 21:39:52 | whardier | ? |
| 21:39:56 | whardier | ITS BEEN DONE! |
| 21:40:01 | LarryGarfield | lol |
| 21:40:01 | kergoth` | hehh |
| 21:40:12 | whardier | uml guys are looking for a logo |
| 21:40:16 | whardier | I am rendering one atm |
| 21:40:23 | prpplague | KhensU_work: thanks |
| 21:40:30 | Harlekin | kergoth`: still working on it |
| 21:40:38 | whardier | it does not have a tux in it |
| 21:40:42 | whardier | so it will get thrown out |
| 21:40:42 | kergoth` | Harlekin: I hope Jim Gettys & company get the input layer support into X shortly.. per the thread on linux-arm ML |
| 21:40:45 | kergoth` | Harlekin: ah |
| 21:40:51 | kolla | seg fault.. |
| 21:40:55 | kergoth` | Harlekin: I'll be switching the Zaurus to use the input layer shortly |
| 21:40:58 | Harlekin | kergoth`: why X |
| 21:41:06 | kergoth` | Harlekin: for the people that use it, of course |
| 21:41:14 | whardier | heh |
| 21:41:16 | kolla | lots of familiar stuff uses libncurses 5.0, but oz has 5.2 -> seg fault |
| 21:41:21 | kergoth` | Harlekin: qt/e already supports it, or at least a patch exists |
| 21:41:22 | kolla | lame unix libs |
| 21:41:26 | whardier | X is gonna be cool |
| 21:41:32 | kolla | "backward compatibility? huh?" |
| 21:41:35 | kergoth` | kolla: uhh you can link a 5 app against 5.2 |
| 21:41:36 | ]DrEvil[ | dangit |
| 21:41:43 | ]DrEvil[ | the build crapped out |
| 21:41:47 | kolla | kergoth`: one should assume that.. but nah |
| 21:41:48 | kergoth` | kolla: you can even symlink to libncurses.so.4 and have it work with apps that require 4 |
| 21:41:57 | Harlekin | kergoth`: yeah, but X is not good for the platfrom |
| 21:41:57 | kergoth` | kolla: as a matter of fact ljp did that. |
| 21:41:57 | kolla | so far.. top and screen.. both segfaults with 5.2 |
| 21:42:02 | kergoth` | Harlekin: oh I agree. |
| 21:42:06 | Harlekin | kergoth`: and we need to port qcop first |
| 21:42:18 | Harlekin | kergoth`: but some compaq guy gives us a hand with that |
| 21:42:31 | kergoth` | Harlekin: The qt/e patch for the input layer uses the input layer directly, or does it use tslib? |
| 21:42:54 | Harlekin | not sure yet |
| 21:43:03 | kergoth` | Harlekin: i saw it posted to some ML.. |
| 21:43:12 | kergoth` | Harlekin: tslib is pretty cool. have you looked at it? |
| 21:43:15 | prpplague | Harlekin: why is x not good for the platform? |
| 21:43:17 | Harlekin | no |
| 21:43:25 | Harlekin | kergoth`: we have way more important stuff to do |
| 21:43:49 | kergoth` | Harlekin: yep, i'm sure opie is a pretty high priority :-) |
| 21:44:02 | LarryGarfield | whatever happened to OZ 2.5? |
| 21:44:11 | sumeet_p | thinks X is simply unsexy |
| 21:44:17 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: hidden. i can unhide it if you like :-) |
| 21:44:20 | Harlekin | kergoth`: in opie there are more important things to do |
| 21:44:28 | kergoth` | Harlekin: ah. what are you working on nowadays? |
| 21:44:34 | Harlekin | sumeet_p: its for a normal pda user contraproductive |
| 21:44:42 | Harlekin | kergoth`: pim |
| 21:44:49 | kergoth` | Harlekin: CROSS_REF? |
| 21:44:54 | kergoth` | Harlekin: or other stuff? |
| 21:44:56 | Harlekin | not only |
| 21:45:01 | kergoth` | db stuff? |
| 21:45:04 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 21:45:05 | Harlekin | too |
| 21:45:07 | zecke|away | Harlekin kergoth`: I got a small XProperty QCOP implementation ( aehm a hack to begin with ) |
| 21:45:09 | kergoth` | thats cool |
| 21:45:11 | sumeet_p | Harlekin: contra or counter? |
| 21:45:27 | Harlekin | sumeet_p: both, in german contra and in englisch counter |
| 21:45:35 | LarryGarfield | kergoth`: Hidden why? Unusable, or supplanted? (Because OZ 3 isn't stable enough for regular usage. :-( |
| 21:45:39 | prpplague | Harlekin: done correctly it shouldn't be, too many ppl try to make a desktop enviroment on a pda |
| 21:45:43 | LarryGarfield | kills RCN again |
| 21:45:43 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: how so? |
| 21:45:47 | sumeet_p | Harlekin: achtung! I get it :-) |
| 21:45:51 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: oz3 is quite stable, though the package manager sucks. |
| 21:45:56 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: :-) |
| 21:45:58 | ]DrEvil[ | yeah |
| 21:45:59 | LarryGarfield | Well, last time I installed it it would crash on me every few hours. :- |
| 21:46:03 | ]DrEvil[ | and no backup utility |
| 21:46:17 | Harlekin | prpplague: i think it is ok if opie runs on X too, for example for industrial use etc |
| 21:46:22 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: well a new version was released last week, i havent heard any complaints beyond the known sync issue, the lack of a backup app, and the package manager. |
| 21:46:30 | Harlekin | prpplague: whre you can really use network transparency |
| 21:46:38 | LarryGarfield | really? I'm running the Flinders ROM on my 5000d right now, with the opie package manager, which is far better than the Sharp one. |
| 21:46:53 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: oipkg is much better than qinstall. but it can be... touchy :-) |
| 21:46:57 | ]DrEvil[ | the sharp one is consistent |
| 21:47:02 | ]DrEvil[ | heh |
| 21:47:03 | kergoth` | true that |
| 21:47:05 | ]DrEvil[ | what is up with that |
| 21:47:08 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 21:47:11 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: problems/ |
| 21:47:14 | prpplague | Harlekin: well 99% of my apps are fltk are very friendly to the no-computer/pda users |
| 21:47:32 | Harlekin | which apps |
| 21:47:42 | prpplague | Harlekin: all custom |
| 21:47:47 | Harlekin | images |
| 21:47:48 | LarryGarfield | Yes, RCN is working on the cable nodes near here, so my connection is going bouncy bouncy. |
| 21:48:11 | kergoth` | ah |
| 21:48:26 | prpplague | Harlekin: images? |
| 21:48:28 | sumeet_p | looking for some help on cross compiler setup |
| 21:48:35 | ]DrEvil[ | why bother getting online |
| 21:48:35 | kergoth` | sumeet_p: read the howto on zauruszone? |
| 21:48:41 | Harlekin | prpplague: pics |
| 21:49:02 | prpplague | Harlekin: screenshots? is that what your asking? |
| 21:49:06 | Harlekin | y |
| 21:49:11 | sumeet_p | kergoth`: did that, got the rpms, built binaries, how do I go about building the openzaurus kernel? |
| 21:49:15 | ]DrEvil[ | I wonder if I should just download the dpkg files and then use my Z to extract them |
| 21:49:19 | ]DrEvil[ | and make a toolchain |
| 21:49:34 | prpplague | Harlekin: nothing handy but i'd be glad to collect some for ya |
| 21:49:38 | kergoth` | sumeet_p: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.openzaurus.sf.net:/cvsroot/openzaurus co -P buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; make kernel; |
| 21:49:49 | Harlekin | kergoth`: hmm, maybe we sould change opies primary language to german .-) |
| 21:49:59 | kergoth` | Harlekin: hah |
| 21:50:10 | LarryGarfield | kergoth`: As we were saying... So the new OZ is stable enough for regular usage? |
| 21:50:11 | sumeet_p | kergoth`: I think my problem is how to let it know where to pick up the toolchain |
| 21:50:27 | treke | thought Harlekin already did |
| 21:50:31 | kergoth` | sumeet_p: export PATH=/path/to/your/toolchain/bin/dir |
| 21:50:34 | kergoth` | er |
| 21:50:40 | kergoth` | s/=/=$PATH:/ |
| 21:50:57 | Harlekin | treke: ? |
| 21:51:02 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: yes, but i'd wait a couple days, as i'm coming out with a maintainance release that will let qtopia desktop and intellisync work with it again |
| 21:51:10 | sumeet_p | kergoth`: that's it! it knows how not to pick up x86 gcc? |
| 21:51:20 | kergoth` | sumeet_p: the fileanmes are arm-linux-gcc, not gcc |
| 21:51:43 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: they did a security fix to add a password to the ftp port finally.. but it breaks the sync apps until new versions come out |
| 21:51:57 | prpplague | heads home |
| 21:51:59 | prpplague | bbl |
| 21:52:01 | treke | Harlekin: changed the primary language to german. Only up to date opie website is in german after all :) |
| 21:52:19 | Harlekin | treke: yeah, but ljp just took over opie.hh.org |
| 21:52:25 | Harlekin | treke: so that will be up to date in future too |
| 21:52:31 | treke | ah nifty |
| 21:52:45 | sumeet_p | kergoth`: thanks! I'll give it a shot, I'll appreciate any pointers to this whole cross compiler theory |
| 21:52:47 | LarryGarfield | kergoth`: Yay. By chance does OZ include the Symbol WiFi WEP kernel patch? |
| 21:52:47 | kergoth` | Harlekin: why dont we just point opie.us, opie.info, opie.handhelds.org to the same webserver and support multiple languages? |
| 21:52:53 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: yep |
| 21:52:57 | LarryGarfield | OK, I'm sold. |
| 21:52:57 | Harlekin | kergoth`: hehe, that was my idea |
| 21:53:02 | Harlekin | kergoth`: but ljp did not like it |
| 21:53:09 | kergoth` | Harlekin: weird. |
| 21:53:14 | kergoth` | ljp: ? |
| 21:53:15 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 21:53:26 | LarryGarfield | Will the maintenance release be mentioned on the list? |
| 21:53:28 | darienm | ZSI is spewing forth mySQL errors |
| 21:53:40 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 43 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: has trolltech ever released the promised new linux-qtopiadesktop-version? [Wed Jul 31 20:09:49 2002] |
| 21:53:40 | darienm | ibot seen killefiz |
| 21:53:41 | whardier | http://www.vasicom.net/gfx/pov/uml/ball_test.png |
| 21:53:42 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: yes.. i was delaying the announcement of the latest release until then. |
| 21:53:48 | LarryGarfield | Ah, ok. |
| 21:53:55 | LarryGarfield | doesn't even have the desktop sync stuff installed. |
| 21:53:56 | whardier | does that sorta demonstrate things within things that have style? |
| 21:54:04 | LarryGarfield | Never got it working right back with the betas, then gave up. :_) |
| 21:54:07 | | NeoTron was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: not only that, I have 3 days off [Tue Jul 30 05:11:34 2002] |
| 21:54:07 | darienm | ibot seen NeoTron |
| 21:54:11 | ]DrEvil[ | kergoth`: what deb is dpkg-architecture in? |
| 21:54:11 | kergoth` | LarryGarfield: hah |
| 21:54:12 | | Neo|Away was last seen on #zaurus 62 days, 3 hours, 45 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: warmi: gcc 3.x probably works fien but it doesn't work with the zaurus or anything. C++ ABI is different [Thu May 30 19:08:22 2002] |
| 21:54:12 | darienm | ibot seen Neo|Away |
| 21:54:15 | ]DrEvil[ | nevermind |
| 21:54:19 | kergoth` | k |
| 21:54:19 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: is away: home [Tue Jul 30 01:43:47 2002] |
| 21:54:19 | darienm | ibot seen Neo|Work |
| 21:54:57 | nadav | bleh |
| 21:56:19 | darienm | whardier: very shiny |
| 22:00:28 | whardier | somebody else just said the same thing |
| 22:00:29 | whardier | heh |
| 22:00:53 | kergoth` | k i go home now |
| 22:02:25 | whardier | http://www.vasicom.net/gfx/pov/uml/ball_test_soft.png |
| 22:03:05 | codemnky | :P |
| 22:03:24 | codemnky | :P |
| 22:03:33 | rikkus | is it normal that I cackle with delight as I scp to my Z for the first time ? |
| 22:03:33 | whardier | soft balls |
| 22:03:42 | codemnky | no |
| 22:03:50 | LarryGarfield | yes |
| 22:03:52 | rikkus | ok |
| 22:04:03 | codemnky | when i scp for the 1st time on my Z i did a line of coke |
| 22:04:16 | codemnky | joking! |
| 22:04:34 | rikkus | what about when I alt-tab to the vnc window and continue typing on my PC's keyboard, while using the Z's screen ? |
| 22:04:50 | codemnky | i have'nt gotten vnc working yet |
| 22:04:55 | codemnky | what all do i need to do |
| 22:05:45 | codemnky | i tried it what it didn't work |
| 22:05:54 | rikkus | hmm |
| 22:05:54 | codemnky | hey whardier |
| 22:06:02 | rikkus | it doesn't give any feedback |
| 22:06:04 | codemnky | i thought i screw up my Z for sure |
| 22:06:09 | rikkus | you just have to connect to it to see that it works |
| 22:06:33 | codemnky | the openZ image 1/2 copied and i didn't know it and tried to flash |
| 22:06:47 | codemnky | i had to go buy a flash reader to replair |
| 22:06:53 | codemnky | it was funny |
| 22:07:06 | codemnky | how do you have it connected |
| 22:07:19 | codemnky | client on Z or server |
| 22:07:23 | codemnky | client |
| 22:07:40 | ToyKeeper | completely forgets where he put his stylus a minute ago. |
| 22:08:02 | rikkus | ouch |
| 22:08:02 | rikkus | I'm about to update the ROM for the first time, when it's finished dragging itself over my modem |
| 22:08:59 | rikkus | luckily the AC adaptor is on a UPS so I'm not too worried :) |
| 22:10:15 | rikkus | ah, tkcPlayer working, playing some .ogg files |
| 22:10:16 | codemnky | well don't screw it up unless you have a flash reader |
| 22:10:21 | rikkus | happy |
| 22:10:38 | VerxHome | looks like killefiz is down |
| 22:10:42 | codemnky | what's a good ogg file source? |
| 22:10:43 | VerxHome | can anyone get to it? |
| 22:10:45 | rikkus | usbdnet |
| 22:10:56 | VerxHome | codemnky: Your CD collection |
| 22:11:01 | VerxHome | or your MP3 collection |
| 22:11:03 | VerxHome | either one |
| 22:11:04 | codemnky | ok next question |
| 22:11:12 | codemnky | what's a good ogg file encoder |
| 22:11:18 | VerxHome | uses winamp |
| 22:11:22 | codemnky | oh |
| 22:11:25 | codemnky | cool |
| 22:11:26 | codemnky | thx |
| 22:11:28 | toolafial | if you are on linux use oggenc |
| 22:11:29 | VerxHome | np |
| 22:11:32 | codemnky | cool |
| 22:11:38 | codemnky | yep linux |
| 22:11:49 | toolafial | that is if it is installed on your system |
| 22:11:54 | codemnky | i'll find it |
| 22:11:56 | codemnky | thx |
| 22:11:58 | toolafial | it is part of the ogg vobis packages |
| 22:12:05 | rikkus | I do have a flash reader |
| 22:12:05 | rikkus | codemnky: your CDs |
| 22:12:05 | rikkus | oggenc |
| 22:12:06 | VerxHome | vorbis |
| 22:13:04 | VerxHome | munches on reduces sodium david's sunflower seeds |
| 22:13:16 | VerxHome | s/reduces/reduced |
| 22:13:55 | ToyKeeper | How can you lose a stylus with like 5 minutes and a really small workspace? |
| 22:14:07 | rikkus | the Z really needs 'what's this?' help |
| 22:14:09 | LarryGarfield | It takes great skill. |
| 22:14:15 | rikkus | living without tooltips is annoying |
| 22:14:20 | whardier | thinks they stylus should have a beeper finder in it |
| 22:14:25 | VerxHome | ToyKeeper: By being really efficient? :) |
| 22:14:26 | whardier | and the Zaurus should be able to activate that |
| 22:14:26 | rikkus | the 'what's this button do?' problem |
| 22:14:51 | ToyKeeper | It's got to be... right in front of me. But I don't see it. |
| 22:14:57 | whardier | are you sitting on it? |
| 22:15:06 | whardier | sometimes I shove things inbetween my legs when I don't need them |
| 22:15:34 | ToyKeeper | No, I already checked the chair crack. :) |
| 22:16:23 | whardier | I bought some Red Fusion Dr Pepper |
| 22:16:31 | whardier | what is pepsi up to nowadays? are they just getting bored? |
| 22:17:26 | rikkus | sleeps |
| 22:17:36 | LarryGarfield | This is getting highly irritating. |
| 22:18:14 | ToyKeeper | Yes, this is. I don't normally lose things... Especially not while I'm staring at them. |
| 22:18:34 | VerxHome | -:- SignOff LarryGarfield: #Zaurus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by |
| 22:18:35 | VerxHome | peer)) |
| 22:19:04 | LarryGarfield | VerxHome: My cable ISP is doing maintenance, so my connection is having a kiniption. |
| 22:19:14 | whardier | I lose things all the time when I am looking at them |
| 22:19:21 | whardier | my mind sees no difference therefore it does not exist |
| 22:19:21 | whardier | heh |
| 22:19:52 | whardier | thus my secrets for seeing thru walls/clothing |
| 22:19:58 | codemnky | i look for my glasses late at night to find me wearing the, |
| 22:19:59 | codemnky | them |
| 22:20:13 | ToyKeeper | Ah, that's where it went. Cajhne threw some old clothes on top of it. |
| 22:20:19 | ToyKeeper | Bunghole. :) |
| 22:20:33 | whardier | I have never seen an accedental bunghole.. |
| 22:20:39 | jbwiv | hello all. |
| 22:20:43 | whardier | well.. starship troopers.. a few people got ripped a new one |
| 22:20:45 | codemnky | HI |
| 22:20:53 | erikd | HI |
| 22:20:58 | whardier | eh. |
| 22:21:13 | jbwiv | anyone know of a converter that will allow pdf or .ps files to be converted to a pda compatible format? Something like DOC (pdb) or the like? |
| 22:21:24 | whardier | image magick |
| 22:21:44 | LarryGarfield | Depends which pda format you want, there are dozens. |
| 22:21:44 | whardier | make very small unreadable images |
| 22:21:54 | whardier | I would suggest using a pdf viewer |
| 22:21:55 | LarryGarfield | There are pdf readers already, but pdf is really lame on a PDA. :-) |
| 22:22:04 | jbwiv | LarryGarfield: something relatively efficient that will allow reading on the Z. I have QTReader installed. |
| 22:22:13 | LarryGarfield | That only does PalmDoc, I believe. |
| 22:22:15 | whardier | LarryGarfield its not really lame.. just.. unusable. |
| 22:22:23 | LarryGarfield | :-) |
| 22:22:31 | whardier | jbwiv use the pdf viewer for the Z |
| 22:23:01 | jbwiv | LarryGarfield: I'm wanting to convert the pdf or ps files available from the "Lessons in electronic circuits" from the open book project. |
| 22:23:11 | whardier | bah |
| 22:23:12 | whardier | jbwiv use the pdf viewer for the Z |
| 22:23:16 | jbwiv | whardier: the pdf is around 4.5 megs. Is it going to be usable? |
| 22:23:27 | toolafial | jbwiv : use the free version of aportis doc converter |
| 22:23:30 | whardier | is there any other way around it? |
| 22:23:49 | whardier | you could use image magick to lower the resolution of the whole thing |
| 22:23:59 | toolafial | jbwiv : or use a pdftoascii tool to convert it to text then use something else to compress it |
| 22:24:02 | whardier | convert -density 50 in.pdf out.pdf |
| 22:24:08 | toolafial | like the ppms tool on the qtreader site |
| 22:24:12 | toolafial | that's what I do |
| 22:24:16 | jbwiv | toolafial: just downloaded it. haven't tried it yet, because it said it needed the aportisdoc viewer. Can you use any doc viewer? |
| 22:24:29 | DuelZ | Anyone know how to remove preinstalled apps like games and other stuff thats never used to recover memory? |
| 22:24:31 | toolafial | qtreader reads the aportis doc format |
| 22:24:32 | LarryGarfield | ugh, this is rediculous. |
| 22:24:41 | whardier | viewing a high detail pdf on a Z |
| 22:24:45 | LarryGarfield | toolafial: It's not Aportis doc. It's just PalmDoc, or "DOC". |
| 22:24:45 | whardier | is just silly |
| 22:24:48 | jbwiv | whardier: cool. t hanks I'll give both methods a try. |
| 22:24:53 | LarryGarfield | Aportis is one of the lamest readers for it available. :-) |
| 22:25:10 | whardier | if somebody wanted to make eveerything much happier |
| 22:25:10 | whardier | heh |
| 22:25:18 | whardier | you could modify the sa1100_fb.c |
| 22:25:26 | whardier | to support 480x640 |
| 22:25:30 | LarryGarfield | I'm just going to take a break and come back in a few hours. |
| 22:25:34 | whardier | with really realyl whacky blending |
| 22:25:36 | LarryGarfield | After the sun's gone down so it's not so hot, too. |
| 22:25:38 | toolafial | jbwiv : if you are on a linux box you could do: pdf2ps then use ps2ascii |
| 22:26:05 | whardier | or 240x480 something with sub pixel rendering |
| 22:26:09 | jbwiv | toolafial: I am, but didn't really want to have simple plaintext. There're circuit diagrams and the like :) |
| 22:26:20 | toolafial | jbwiv : oh |
| 22:26:35 | toolafial | well then that makes things different |
| 22:26:41 | DuelZ | They don't appear in the remove apps dialogue and I sure would like to get rid of them! |
| 22:26:51 | toolafial | you could try some sort of tool to convert it to html |
| 22:27:04 | toolafial | I'm not sure if it picks up on diagrams though ... |
| 22:27:23 | jbwiv | toolafial: cool, thanks. I'll let you know what I go with. |
| 22:27:29 | DuelZ | will come back later |
| 22:27:41 | toolafial | however all the tools I've see just extract the text |
| 22:27:44 | toolafial | now diagrams |
| 22:27:57 | toolafial | s/now/not |
| 22:28:12 | BigBoss | tkcMemo is now officially available at www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcmemo |
| 22:29:37 | nadav | BigBoss: cool |
| 22:30:21 | BigBoss | only $4.95 |
| 22:30:31 | nadav | yeah, i noticed |
| 22:30:32 | BigBoss | and a free condom with every purchase :) |
| 22:30:35 | nadav | haha |
| 22:31:15 | BigBoss | we practice safe computing here :) |
| 22:31:45 | nadav | :/ |
| 22:31:52 | nadav | uh, :P |
| 22:32:19 | nadav | waits for the next screenshot to load |
| 22:32:30 | VerxHome | yeah, the site is pretty slow today |
| 22:32:49 | nadav | and i'm on israeli dialup, which makes it even more fun ;) |
| 22:33:13 | whardier | my ability to do any thinking.. is just.. gone. |
| 22:33:23 | whardier | I really need to be outdoors |
| 22:33:36 | whardier | there is something to be said about being locked in your own cave for too long |
| 22:33:37 | jbwiv | anyone else having problems getting to killefiz.de/zaurus? |
| 22:33:44 | VerxHome | its down |
| 22:34:00 | BigBoss | i noticed |
| 22:34:32 | BigBoss | we're going to have to move to our own T1 shortly, our bandwidth is just getting killed lately |
| 22:34:38 | jbwiv | damn it. can't make it to the Z software index. Anyone know where else I can download the Z .pdf viewer? |
| 22:34:42 | angry | yeah its been going really slow |
| 22:36:27 | sharpie | Hey all |
| 22:36:58 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 22:36:58 | darienm | ibot feed |
| 22:37:04 | umopapisdn | jbwiv: http://www.zaurusoft.com/packages/view/65 |
| 22:37:15 | darienm | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/qpe-qpdf_1.5.0-20020417_arm.ipk |
| 22:37:34 | jbwiv | umopapisdn and darienm: thx all |
| 22:37:40 | sharpie | Hey all.. |
| 22:38:08 | W|GGL|T | hi |
| 22:38:28 | sharpie | I'm going to get a Zaurus pretty soon.. |
| 22:38:59 | sharpie | Any known major issues with reading + possibly writing MS Docs + Spread Sheets? |
| 22:41:52 | angry | how do you change certain environment variables in linux |
| 22:42:25 | angry | i want to redefine HOME=/wherever |
| 22:42:39 | nadav | export? |
| 22:42:42 | nadav | i think |
| 22:42:44 | jbwiv | I'll be damned if usbdnet doesn't lock my whole machine at least three times a day :) |
| 22:42:48 | nadav | or |
| 22:42:50 | nadav | can't you just do |
| 22:42:52 | nadav | HOME=/bla |
| 22:42:53 | nadav | ? |
| 22:43:02 | nadav | maybe "export HOME=/bla" |
| 22:43:42 | jbwiv | has anyone ever used a TRENDnet compact flash ethernet card? |
| 22:43:52 | angry | sweet it worx0red |
| 22:43:56 | angry | cept i needed quotes |
| 22:44:01 | angry | but export worked, thanks |
| 22:44:45 | jbwiv | or does anyone know a link to a doc summarizing what cards will work with the Z? I can get the TRENDnet 10/100 for $50 |
| 22:44:46 | angry | ping cloud-z |
| 22:44:47 | angry | ermm |
| 22:44:54 | angry | pong cloud -z |
| 22:45:00 | angry | ermm hi cloud-z |
| 22:45:32 | nadav | angry: no problem |
| 22:45:48 | qurve | Anyone had problems with SecureDigital SD cards in their zaurus? |
| 22:45:53 | qurve | (Or maybe im overlooking something) |
| 22:46:20 | qurve | I just got mine, tossed it in |
| 22:46:32 | nadav | BigBoss: when are other apps scheduled? |
| 22:46:32 | qurve | and /mnt/card is read-only |
| 22:46:39 | qurve | (i checked to make sure its not locked) |
| 22:46:45 | qurve | permissions look fine |
| 22:49:38 | jbwiv | damn it. usbdnet locked my box up again! Sorry for the report, but was wondering if anyone has any experience with TRENDnet CF ethernet cards. I'm thinking of buying one. |
| 22:49:48 | jbwiv | s/report/repost/ |
| 22:52:10 | codemnky | Sugar make me a long islang |
| 22:52:24 | codemnky | Sugar make me a long island |
| 22:52:24 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to codemnky. |
| 22:52:28 | codemnky | thx |
| 22:52:42 | qurve | Doot. |
| 22:52:57 | qurve | So anyone use a SanDisk Secure Digital card in their zaurus? |
| 22:52:58 | qurve | ;] |
| 22:53:20 | nadav | some people do ;) |
| 22:53:28 | qurve | I can't for the life of me get it to work. |
| 22:53:31 | qurve | Heh |
| 22:53:34 | jbwiv | can anyone recommend a good, relatively cheap, CF ethernet card? |
| 22:53:34 | angry | 128mb? |
| 22:53:37 | qurve | yeah |
| 22:53:41 | qurve | sandisk 128mb |
| 22:54:06 | qurve | It mounts it fine, and unmounts it |
| 22:54:10 | qurve | But it can't write to it or something. |
| 22:54:26 | qurve | If I try to move a file from 'Internal Storage' to 'SD Card' it fails |
| 22:54:42 | qurve | and touch /mnt/card/blah fails with 'read only file system' |
| 22:54:45 | qurve | oh wait |
| 22:54:49 | qurve | i should check fstab |
| 22:54:53 | angry | http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/18496/0/9055022/ |
| 22:54:58 | ToyKeeper | This is weird. madplay can play some files fine from MMC, but others skip as it reads more data. |
| 22:55:10 | ToyKeeper | And the files which skip are 128kbps, while the ones which play fine are higher bitrates. |
| 22:56:14 | ToyKeeper | I would think it would skip only if the MMC card was too slow to handle the bitrate... weird. |
| 22:56:18 | qurve | Well damn :[ |
| 22:56:24 | whardier | check the read speed on the MMC |
| 22:56:28 | qurve | Is it a problem with all sandisk cards? |
| 22:56:32 | qurve | Or just the 128 mb ones |
| 22:56:40 | angry | just 128 i believe |
| 22:56:53 | angry | :( |
| 22:56:56 | whardier | err |
| 22:56:59 | whardier | can sure read |
| 22:57:10 | whardier | whats the chunk size on mmc? |
| 22:57:13 | ToyKeeper | qurve: I'm having problems with a 64MB sandisk MMC card.. It won't mount properly the first couple tries. |
| 22:57:25 | angry | someone here want to set up a BNETD server and play some starcraft? :) |
| 22:57:34 | whardier | angry: heh |
| 22:57:42 | qurve | Well, this totally sucks |
| 22:57:42 | ToyKeeper | I don't know if it's a bad card (refuses to take a working partition map), or if it's just sandisk poopiness. |
| 22:57:48 | qurve | I got such a good deal on it too |
| 22:57:54 | qurve | $50 on buy.com |
| 22:57:56 | angry | not that there's anything wrong with my copy of starcraft (wink wink) |
| 22:58:44 | angry | for a while it was $44 after rebates on Amazon |
| 22:58:53 | angry | but that was a week ago |
| 22:59:10 | qurve | Hrm |
| 22:59:15 | qurve | Does sharp know about this issue? |
| 23:00:41 | angry | not sure |
| 23:00:52 | qurve | they will in a minute |
| 23:00:53 | angry | JasonNJ is hte only one here who works @ sharp |
| 23:00:53 | qurve | heh |
| 23:00:55 | angry | hehe |
| 23:01:12 | | challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 23:01:12 | angry | ibot, challenge |
| 23:01:30 | nadav | andrius: what about benmeyer and sniper? |
| 23:01:46 | nadav | s/andrius/angry |
| 23:02:14 | angry | s/here/here now |
| 23:02:15 | angry | :) |
| 23:02:33 | nadav | haha |
| 23:03:19 | qurve | doh, they're closed for the day :[ |
| 23:03:20 | qurve | Oh well |
| 23:04:12 | qurve | This really sucks though :] |
| 23:04:22 | qurve | I wanted very much to get my mp3s on it. |
| 23:04:23 | qurve | Heh |
| 23:04:38 | angry | :( |
| 23:04:50 | nadav | you should get a non-sandisk card |
| 23:05:06 | qurve | Any recomendations? |
| 23:05:25 | qurve | I also had never seen one that was > 64mb |
| 23:05:29 | qurve | except for the sandisk |
| 23:06:10 | nadav | www.newegg.com |
| 23:06:13 | nadav | has some |
| 23:06:18 | angry | i snagged a 256MB compactflash card for $60 |
| 23:06:25 | angry | but it was a one day only dealie |
| 23:06:35 | qurve | I wanted to go with sd just to keep the cf open for modems and shit |
| 23:06:36 | qurve | ;\ |
| 23:06:47 | W|GGL|T | yeah, same here |
| 23:06:51 | | neotron was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 18 hours, 55 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: not only that, I have 3 days off [Tue Jul 30 05:11:34 2002] |
| 23:06:51 | angry | ibot, seen neotron |
| 23:06:59 | W|GGL|T | that's why i didn't jump on the same deal as angry |
| 23:07:20 | angry | yeah, im probably going to end up getting a wireless CF card anyway :/ |
| 23:07:22 | W|GGL|T | im still looking for really good deals on big SD cards |
| 23:07:35 | angry | those ibm 1gb microdrives are pretty phat |
| 23:07:41 | qurve | Heh, I'd settle for one that just works at the moment. |
| 23:07:42 | angry | i wish the Z had 2 CF slots |
| 23:07:49 | angry | one where the SD is ;) |
| 23:08:02 | W|GGL|T | that would be nice |
| 23:08:05 | nadav | [02:11] <qurve> I wanted to go with sd just to keep the cf open for modems and shit |
| 23:08:09 | nadav | same thought here |
| 23:08:12 | ]DrEvil[ | CF takes up a lot of space |
| 23:08:18 | W|GGL|T | i hardly use my SD card as it is (maybe because it's only 32mb) |
| 23:08:51 | qurve | I jsut got PrBoom (Doom) installed on mine. |
| 23:08:54 | qurve | It's great. |
| 23:09:08 | qurve | Although it froze up on me and I had to telnet into my zaurus and shutdown -r it |
| 23:09:08 | qurve | heh |
| 23:09:23 | angry | qurve: http://eongames.com/games/re/ |
| 23:09:24 | Cloudchaser | movies won't play on sd yet though with tkc player..so they'll have to go on CF |
| 23:09:25 | angry | phun ass game |
| 23:09:31 | angry | only demo for now though |
| 23:09:37 | qurve | free? |
| 23:09:39 | angry | NeoTron has got to finish that game |
| 23:09:43 | angry | the demo is |
| 23:09:43 | angry | :) |
| 23:09:45 | Cloudchaser | i'm trying to shrink a movie right now to fit on 256 mb CF card |
| 23:09:50 | angry | full versions not even done |
| 23:10:12 | qurve | Oh, the other thing I can't get is any video to work. |
| 23:10:17 | qurve | It only plays MPEG1, right? |
| 23:10:48 | | angry: excuse me? |
| 23:10:48 | angry | ibot, the kompany |
| 23:10:50 | | somebody said tkc was at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 23:10:50 | angry | ibot, tkc |
| 23:11:00 | angry | go there and check out tkcVideo |
| 23:11:03 | angry | that can play divx and shit |
| 23:11:06 | qurve | Ok |
| 23:11:09 | angry | but that costs $$ :( |
| 23:11:09 | qurve | If it can play divx |
| 23:11:11 | qurve | I'll buy it :] |
| 23:11:15 | angry | :) |
| 23:11:16 | angry | def. worth it |
| 23:11:20 | angry | for episodes and stuff |
| 23:11:29 | qurve | I've considered just buying their all-in-one package deal for like $99 or something. |
| 23:11:45 | msmax | qurve: we use DivX 5.0.2 encoder for our test movies, and tkcVideo play it good |
| 23:11:56 | qurve | hrm |
| 23:11:58 | qurve | ill brb |
| 23:12:01 | qurve | im going to screen a client here |
| 23:12:02 | codemnky | 32M of ram sucks |
| 23:12:18 | codemnky | they should have just made it a 1G |
| 23:12:21 | Harlekin | 'http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/%7Eharlekin/snap2.jpg' |
| 23:12:22 | angry | codemnky: i know |
| 23:12:24 | angry | haha |
| 23:12:28 | angry | get an IBM microdrive |
| 23:12:35 | nadav | heh |
| 23:12:40 | codemnky | can you install into it? |
| 23:12:48 | codemnky | ipkgs? |
| 23:12:51 | angry | Harlekin: is that opieplayer playing a divx movie? |
| 23:13:11 | nadav | Can you use all your internal memory as swap/ram and use SD/CF for everything? |
| 23:13:13 | Harlekin | angry: yes |
| 23:13:14 | zecke|away | fun with Qt3 http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=land.4652.png |
| 23:13:44 | codemnky | can you install ipks into the micodrive? |
| 23:13:45 | angry | Harlekin: holy scat, is that in the current version? |
| 23:13:54 | angry | codemnky: no idea |
| 23:14:11 | Harlekin | angry: no |
| 23:14:12 | codemnky | is the micro drive a flash device? |
| 23:14:14 | Harlekin | angry: the upcoming |
| 23:14:20 | codemnky | slot |
| 23:14:22 | angry | Harlekin: sweetness!! |
| 23:14:38 | angry | Harlekin: its like what sharp's rom should have been |
| 23:14:42 | Harlekin | angry: divx, ogg, shoutcast, mp3, wav, mpeg2, mpeg4, and some more |
| 23:14:55 | angry | Harlekin: shit! |
| 23:15:21 | angry | Harlekin: i hope my CF card comes before you guys release that, goodbye qtopia! |
| 23:15:38 | Harlekin | angry: it will run on qtopia, i think |
| 23:15:50 | angry | Harlekin: maybe not then ;) |
| 23:15:54 | Harlekin | angry: can not test it, but why shouldnt it |
| 23:16:05 | angry | Harlekin: i can test it for you |
| 23:16:24 | Harlekin | we have some Z owners in the team |
| 23:16:59 | prpplague | codemnky: yes you can install ipkgs to microdrive as long as its mounted properly |
| 23:17:03 | prpplague | doh |
| 23:17:22 | whardier | new irc channels are hard to be adopted into |
| 23:17:23 | angry | Harlekin: heh, if you guys didnt offer all this shit for free you could be making some big money ;) |
| 23:17:42 | Harlekin | angry: not really |
| 23:17:50 | Harlekin | angry: for example if you sell and mpg player |
| 23:17:58 | Harlekin | you have to pay fees for each |
| 23:18:07 | Harlekin | mpg1 a few cent |
| 23:18:13 | Harlekin | mpeg2 allready more |
| 23:18:16 | BigBoss | it's typical open source, no one ever thinks it through, they just start because they want to. Not saying it's bad, but thinking it out more ahead of time would be a good idea |
| 23:18:18 | angry | Harlekin: liscencing sucks |
| 23:18:21 | Harlekin | and mpeg4 even worse |
| 23:18:39 | nadav | BigBoss: when are more tkc apps scheduled? |
| 23:18:41 | Harlekin | angry: i am sure tck pays a lot to mpeg consortium |
| 23:18:50 | codemnky | you know what would be usfull |
| 23:19:00 | Harlekin | angry: maybe check back with the consortium how much it is |
| 23:19:15 | prpplague | codemnky: yes you can install ipkgs to microdrive as long as its mounted properly |
| 23:19:25 | codemnky | i script you could run on the Z where you could set a flag to apps you'd like to uninstall that come on the rom |
| 23:19:28 | angry | Harlekin: probable not even worth all the trouble to make a few bucks |
| 23:19:32 | BigBoss | nadav: maybe tomorrow |
| 23:19:34 | angry | s/probable/probably |
| 23:19:38 | nadav | BigBoss: great |
| 23:19:46 | Harlekin | angry: and why, there are better rewards |
| 23:19:50 | codemnky | ./remove_crap.sh |
| 23:20:05 | Harlekin | angry: you can allways show that code, when you are about to apply for a real big money job |
| 23:20:13 | angry | Harlekin: good point |
| 23:20:17 | nadav | micro drives probably drink the battery |
| 23:20:18 | ToyKeeper | prpplague: Got any X11 info available? :) |
| 23:20:32 | Harlekin | angry: all that linux business is not worth money |
| 23:20:38 | Harlekin | angry: its just fun |
| 23:20:47 | angry | Harlekin: sure is :) |
| 23:20:56 | Harlekin | angry: as long as there a divertions |
| 23:21:06 | codemnky | crap crap crap |
| 23:21:09 | codemnky | x3 |
| 23:21:39 | angry | Harlekin: when do you think the new media player will release? |
| 23:21:43 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: close, i spent pretty much all day learning all about matchbox wm |
| 23:21:57 | Harlekin | angry: next 10 days |
| 23:22:04 | angry | Harlekin: can hardly wait :) |
| 23:22:05 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: i should have a build posted by saturday or sunday |
| 23:22:17 | angry | Harlekin: hopefully my 256MB CF card will come before then :) |
| 23:22:20 | kergoth | fucking ants |
| 23:22:27 | kergoth | little fuckers found a way in my house |
| 23:22:30 | codemnky | do they have wings? |
| 23:22:33 | angry | Harlekin: if you ever need someone to test it out, just message me :) |
| 23:22:33 | kergoth | nah |
| 23:22:41 | Harlekin | angry: sure |
| 23:22:49 | codemnky | dip'm in chocalote |
| 23:22:50 | Harlekin | angry: and regarding money |
| 23:22:54 | kergoth | codemnky: however, they like my keyboard, cause its fucking dirty |
| 23:22:58 | Harlekin | angry: you sure do not make money with such little apps |
| 23:23:12 | codemnky | i smash a few on my keyboard as well |
| 23:23:12 | kergoth | codemnky: and they're using the network cable thats strung accross my floor as a highway into my den. heheh |
| 23:23:21 | Harlekin | angry: you make money via contracts to big stuff, like doing the infratructure for an hostipal |
| 23:23:24 | Harlekin | hospital |
| 23:23:25 | codemnky | they screw up a ssh session for sure |
| 23:23:28 | Harlekin | 5 month work |
| 23:23:31 | Harlekin | for a team |
| 23:23:37 | Harlekin | and really really good payed |
| 23:23:39 | angry | Harlekin: yeah |
| 23:23:40 | kergoth | liberally sprinkles ant poison around |
| 23:23:54 | Harlekin | kergoth: dont poison them, they are good for you |
| 23:23:55 | angry | Harlekin: seems like more money is in hardware and networking now than software development |
| 23:24:04 | kergoth | Harlekin: hah, hows that |
| 23:24:11 | Harlekin | angry: i was speaking about software |
| 23:24:14 | codemnky | kergoth what image should i use for the D |
| 23:24:19 | Harlekin | angry: the software part of these project |
| 23:24:25 | Harlekin | angry: they need very custom software |
| 23:24:33 | Harlekin | angry: and theres a lot of money to collect |
| 23:24:39 | Harlekin | kergoth: try backing soda |
| 23:24:40 | prpplague | hmm, cholocalote covered ants with sprinkles.... |
| 23:24:43 | Harlekin | kergoth: in thte way |
| 23:24:45 | ToyKeeper | prpplague: I don't really care about matchbox or anything else which makes X11 friendly. I just want the touchscreen converter. |
| 23:24:46 | angry | Harlekin: are you working now? |
| 23:24:57 | Harlekin | angry: no, student |
| 23:25:08 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: ok, i can email the converter now if you want |
| 23:25:14 | ToyKeeper | Neat. :) |
| 23:25:27 | angry | Harlekin: cool :) |
| 23:25:29 | ToyKeeper | zaurus@toykeeper.net should work. |
| 23:26:15 | codemnky | and hes gone |
| 23:26:35 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: otw |
| 23:27:05 | ToyKeeper | I've been using fam-unstable on an ipaq for quite a while, and basically just need the bare minimum to make it run on the Z. |
| 23:27:32 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: ok, but if you are going to build x use 4.1 |
| 23:29:04 | ToyKeeper | Okay. I was planning to use the X11 packages from fam-unstable, unless they won't work. |
| 23:29:14 | ToyKeeper | I'll find out soon enough if it works or not. |
| 23:32:12 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: they may or may not, i've had mixed results with different builds |
| 23:32:28 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. It'll be fun to play with, anyway. |
| 23:33:15 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: ohh, yes it has been fun |
| 23:33:30 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: very educational too |
| 23:33:43 | ToyKeeper | Now, if I can find a decent way to compile for it... |
| 23:33:52 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: i've grown to hate x fonts |
| 23:34:31 | ToyKeeper | The skiffs tend to be a bit difficult to get files from. I'm not yet ready to turn my ipaq into a build box... and I don't yet know how to set up the cross compiler. |
| 23:34:53 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: cross is easy |
| 23:34:55 | whardier | eazy |
| 23:35:17 | ToyKeeper | Okay. |
| 23:35:20 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: there at lots of cross compliers already created |
| 23:35:25 | whardier | put the cross compiler in the front of the path.. and modify the make files |
| 23:35:25 | ToyKeeper | Maybe I'll make whardier show me later tonight. |
| 23:35:39 | whardier | w00t |
| 23:35:43 | whardier | sounds defunful |
| 23:35:50 | ToyKeeper | But for now, I think it's time for food. :) |
| 23:35:56 | whardier | I just shaved my melon |
| 23:36:09 | prpplague | whardier: fun |
| 23:36:17 | prpplague | whardier: i need to do that myself |
| 23:36:18 | whardier | time to watch either Final Fantasy.. or "The One: |
| 23:36:25 | whardier | prpplague are you a skinhead too? |
| 23:36:46 | angry | where can i find pico for the Z? which opie package is it in? |
| 23:36:53 | whardier | use nano |
| 23:37:05 | kergoth | garhg |
| 23:37:06 | ToyKeeper | use busybox vi, for that matter. |
| 23:37:08 | kergoth | goes hunting ants |
| 23:37:20 | whardier | funny some friends of mine are hunting ants |
| 23:37:24 | prpplague | whardier: yep, when i was in the army my radio call sign was "rogain1" |
| 23:37:31 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:37:34 | angry | i've never learned how to use vi :-P |
| 23:37:52 | whardier | prpplague: nobody believes me that there is a secret pact between people that keep their hair short |
| 23:38:04 | prpplague | angry: argh, vi rocks |
| 23:40:11 | prpplague | does anyone else feel that law&order tries to find demi moore look(and sound) alikes for their lawyers? |
| 23:45:22 | VerxHome | how do you make a dialog modal? |
| 23:45:40 | qurve | i have a pico binary angry |
| 23:45:41 | qurve | want it? |
| 23:46:21 | VerxHome | ahh, ismodal |
| 23:46:48 | angry | qurve: sure |
| 23:46:53 | qurve | lemme upload |
| 23:46:57 | qurve | i also have a whereis binary |
| 23:46:58 | qurve | if you want |
| 23:47:10 | angry | qurve: ooh i'll take both |
| 23:47:15 | ]DrEvil[ | kergoth: can you add console beeps when a CVS action is needed? |
| 23:47:24 | qurve | lemme upload |
| 23:47:42 | angry | lol, the RIAA's site is being DOS'd again i guess (riaa.org) |
| 23:47:53 | qurve | DoS sucks |
| 23:47:55 | qurve | Heh |
| 23:48:01 | qurve | I help run some EFNet servers |
| 23:48:10 | qurve | DoS is like a second nature there. |
| 23:48:16 | nadav | heh |
| 23:48:18 | angry | lol |
| 23:48:25 | angry | i dont like EFNet |
| 23:48:35 | angry | servers never work for me, always down |
| 23:48:41 | qurve | Tried lately? |
| 23:48:54 | qurve | We're more open/stable than we have been in years. |
| 23:48:55 | qurve | Heh |
| 23:49:06 | angry | unless by lately you mean today, i've tried a lot ;) |
| 23:49:07 | qurve | Each network has their own 'thing' |
| 23:49:15 | qurve | interesting :] |
| 23:49:16 | angry | and efnet's sure isnt reliability ;) |
| 23:49:22 | nadav | heh |
| 23:49:28 | qurve | Well, I'd disagree, but :P |
| 23:49:45 | qurve | EFnet is warez |
| 23:49:48 | qurve | dalnet is spam |
| 23:49:51 | qurve | undernet is kiddie porn |
| 23:49:52 | angry | i like openprojects because if theres some gay "takeover" or something, the IRCops will give it back to the right owners :) |
| 23:49:55 | angry | lol |
| 23:50:04 | qurve | We have a takeover-fix service now |
| 23:50:09 | qurve | (which is why efnet has been more stable) |
| 23:50:16 | Cloudchaser | hey is there a size limit to cf card for z? |
| 23:50:22 | qurve | angry |
| 23:50:27 | qurve | http://www.qurve.com/pico |
| 23:50:29 | qurve | http://www.qurve.com/whereis |
| 23:50:45 | qurve | they're binaires I downloaded off of killefiz.de out of their feed |
| 23:50:53 | qurve | binaries* |
| 23:51:00 | ]DrEvil[ | Cloud-Z: no |
| 23:51:03 | ]DrEvil[ | errr |
| 23:51:05 | ]DrEvil[ | Cloudchaser: |
| 23:51:10 | Cloudchaser | hehe they're both me ;) |
| 23:51:18 | ]DrEvil[ | it is filesystem dependent |
| 23:51:21 | ljp | gosh its hot |
| 23:51:26 | ]DrEvil[ | all the drive smarts are on the card itself |
| 23:51:34 | Cloudchaser | ok cool |
| 23:51:34 | ]DrEvil[ | which is why CF is better than SD |
| 23:51:36 | ]DrEvil[ | errrr |
| 23:51:39 | ]DrEvil[ | SM |
| 23:51:59 | ]DrEvil[ | Smart Media will never go beyond 128 megs |
| 23:52:04 | nadav | erm |
| 23:52:07 | nadav | ok |
| 23:52:27 | nadav | $138 for 32mb CF, 128mb SD, and 6-in-1 reader |
| 23:52:30 | Cloudchaser | i have 64mb sd card..would like a bigger one but sandisks were the most reasonable and they don't work yet |
| 23:52:44 | qurve | Yeah no kidding |
| 23:52:47 | qurve | I learned that today Cloud |
| 23:52:48 | ]DrEvil[ | try the simple tech ones |
| 23:52:56 | qurve | My 128mb SanDisk arrived today |
| 23:52:59 | qurve | To my surprise. |
| 23:53:06 | qurve | (doesnt fuckin work) |
| 23:53:07 | qurve | heh |
| 23:53:22 | KhensU | I'm glad I have an old one |
| 23:53:22 | Cloudchaser | i just got 256mb cf and had to send it back cause it broke..waiting for replacement and prayikng it was a fluke |
| 23:53:27 | qurve | I'll sell it to some sucker at my school for twice what I paid :] |
| 23:53:39 | nadav | erm |
| 23:53:42 | Cloudchaser | yeah i was all set to buy one when the posts came rolling in about the new ones |
| 23:53:45 | nadav | wonder how much a 256mb SD costs |
| 23:54:11 | Cloudchaser | looks like my movie is going to be too big ;( i'm going to have to drop the frame rate ;( |
| 23:54:59 | nadav | anyone know if Mr. Flash 128mb SD works with the Z? |
| 23:55:25 | Cloudchaser | takes forever to convert them too.. so far an hour and a half.. just about same time as playing the movie to convert it |
| 23:55:35 | nadav | :/ |
| 23:55:58 | codemnky | what a day |
| 23:56:24 | codemnky | i avoid all aspects of responsibility and played with my Z all day |
| 23:56:25 | Cloudchaser | doing final fantasy movie to 240x something. this movie thing is very complicated to figure out |
| 23:56:28 | codemnky | avoided |
| 23:56:29 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:56:55 | codemnky | :P |
| 23:57:21 | nadav | Hm. Looks like Mr. Flash sd won't work as ext2 |
| 23:57:21 | nadav | bleh |
| 23:57:45 | codemnky | fat32 |
| 23:57:46 | Cloudchaser | hehe mr flash sounds funny :) |
| 23:57:48 | codemnky | i think |
| 23:58:05 | codemnky | like my better 1/2 |
| 23:58:09 | codemnky | fat32 |
| 23:58:33 | roge99_laptop | codemnky: ouch ! |
| 23:58:38 | codemnky | hehe |
| 23:58:41 | codemnky | i'm joking |
| 23:58:42 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 23:58:49 | codemnky | seeing if anyone was paying attention |
| 23:59:12 | codemnky | sshhhh she'd kill me if she saw that |
| 23:59:23 | codemnky | got a fash reader.writer |
| 23:59:29 | Cloudchaser | smacks codemnky |
| 23:59:30 | prpplague | codemnky: i avoided as well, "problems with digi ok call digi tech support and as for kergoth...." |
| 23:59:37 | Cloudchaser | thats for your better half ;) |
| 23:59:42 | ToyKeeper | Cloudchaser: What sort of machine are you encoding on? |
| 23:59:42 | codemnky | hehe |
| 23:59:50 | codemnky | she's a cutie 2 |
