| 00:00:16 | JasonNJ-home | off hours I use my cell phone for contact management |
| 00:00:20 | JasonNJ-home | primitive, I know |
| 00:00:45 | JasonNJ-home | I use it freakin 12 hours a day, cut me some slack |
| 00:00:47 | BigBoss | cranch: you can buy it tomorrow :) |
| 00:00:54 | JasonNJ-home | I'm sick of the thing by the end of the day |
| 00:00:59 | nadav | erm |
| 00:01:05 | nadav | what's the largest capacity of MMC? |
| 00:01:14 | angry | bigboss: by tomorrow, do you mean 12:00? |
| 00:01:17 | angry | AM? |
| 00:01:22 | angry | ;) |
| 00:01:24 | JasonNJ-home | I've never seen one bigger than 64mb |
| 00:01:35 | nadav | then why does newegg only go up to 16mb? |
| 00:01:36 | nadav | fs |
| 00:01:39 | | somebody said jasonNJ was quoted as saying: <JasonNJ> angry: I mainly sit on noidd's ass and listen to idiots on IRC |
| 00:01:39 | angry | ibot, jasonNJ |
| 00:01:44 | angry | lol |
| 00:01:53 | nadav | lol |
| 00:01:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 00:02:06 | | well, sniper is a Sharp marketing slave |
| 00:02:06 | angry | ibot, sniper |
| 00:02:30 | JasonNJ-home | too funny |
| 00:02:56 | nadav | $90 for 128mb SD |
| 00:03:05 | angry | i've seen 40-50 |
| 00:03:06 | flex | so what's the deal with these negative adds mentioned on the mailing list? |
| 00:03:21 | JasonNJ-home | negative ads? |
| 00:03:31 | flex | the not-so-good reviews |
| 00:03:40 | nadav | $48 for 128mb CF |
| 00:03:52 | JasonNJ-home | the last writeup wasnt so bad |
| 00:04:01 | angry | hes talking about SD |
| 00:04:07 | flex | "Sharp should go back to the drawing board on this one" |
| 00:04:12 | angry | i got $60 for 256 a few days ago |
| 00:04:16 | angry | (cf) |
| 00:04:18 | Cloudchaser | lucky you |
| 00:04:21 | Cloudchaser | i paid 92 |
| 00:04:23 | nadav | bah. |
| 00:04:27 | Cloudchaser | and then i broke it! |
| 00:04:29 | JasonNJ-home | flex: I plead the 5th |
| 00:04:34 | angry | Cloudchaser: that sucks :) |
| 00:05:01 | angry | where's mailing list signup |
| 00:05:04 | | angry: i'm not following you... |
| 00:05:04 | angry | ibot, mailing list |
| 00:05:04 | Cloudchaser | yeah i got the rma today |
| 00:05:05 | JasonNJ-home | flex: theres room for improvment on every product |
| 00:05:07 | | i guess list is a member variable of a class? |
| 00:05:07 | angry | ibot, list |
| 00:05:08 | Cloudchaser | sending it back |
| 00:05:17 | flex | Well, it don't see the rationale behind these IDC "experts" raggin on the Z, and I just want to gripe |
| 00:05:55 | cranch | can anyone tell me what this is: 210.12.16.122 - - [07/Jul/2002:18:16:46 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 304 "-" "-" |
| 00:06:01 | cranch | in acess_log in apache |
| 00:06:07 | angry | some loser trying to h4x0r you |
| 00:06:23 | angry | but obviously you're not running windows as a webserver |
| 00:06:23 | Neo|Work | got another NDA to sign |
| 00:06:25 | angry | ... right? |
| 00:06:40 | ljp- | cranch: thats a well known virus trying to infect your ISS server |
| 00:06:41 | cranch | correct |
| 00:06:42 | JasonNJ-home | neo: kewl. |
| 00:06:43 | nadav | http://www.memoryperfect.com/English/viewitemmmc.asp |
| 00:06:45 | cranch | Linux / Apache |
| 00:06:47 | nadav | they say they have 128mb MMC.. |
| 00:06:53 | JasonNJ-home | more games! more games! |
| 00:07:18 | Neo|Work | indeed. This one is a high profile one too |
| 00:07:20 | JasonNJ-home | must... lose... productivity |
| 00:07:28 | JasonNJ-home | neo: can you spill it to me? |
| 00:07:32 | Neo|Work | And no, it's Argentum. they don't respond to me. :P |
| 00:07:43 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: hrm... :P |
| 00:08:13 | JasonNJ-home | neo: the marketing staff is addicted to CandyCruncher like monkeys on crack |
| 00:08:22 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 00:08:29 | Neo|Work | I really like CC myself. :)) it's kewl |
| 00:08:44 | Cloudchaser | i like rocket elite |
| 00:08:47 | Cloudchaser | but i stink at it |
| 00:08:48 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 00:08:49 | Neo|Work | wtf. stupid xchate |
| 00:09:01 | JasonNJ-home | rocket elite is frickin hard |
| 00:09:09 | JasonNJ-home | that little spaceship is a bitch to fly |
| 00:09:13 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah |
| 00:09:18 | Cloudchaser | i crashed and burned alot |
| 00:09:19 | jmhodges | is back (gone 00:29:06) |
| 00:09:28 | angry | anyone played "sopwith"? |
| 00:09:32 | angry | i remember it on old DOS computers |
| 00:09:36 | angry | that was one fun ass game |
| 00:09:41 | nadav | Hm. |
| 00:10:22 | nadav | $50 for 128mb CF; $80 for 256 |
| 00:10:57 | cranch | damn...just jacked my php on my server :( |
| 00:13:08 | nadav | yawns |
| 00:13:15 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: you get used to it though. kind of hard at the start |
| 00:13:23 | Neo|Work | but just wait till you see the later levels |
| 00:13:31 | scanline | is back (gone 01:23:35) |
| 00:13:33 | nadav | maybe i'll go to sleep soon |
| 00:13:39 | Neo|Work | one of the early ones is particularily hard because it has high gravity |
| 00:13:49 | Neo|Work | use fuel and shields like crazy on that one. :P |
| 00:14:30 | angry | professor chaos! |
| 00:16:23 | nadav | What time is it EST? |
| 00:16:28 | angry | JasonNJ-home: you in long island? |
| 00:18:32 | kergoth | re |
| 00:18:47 | cdm | hey kergoth |
| 00:18:56 | angry | hi kergoth |
| 00:19:08 | cranch | hey kergoth |
| 00:19:15 | kergoth | hows everyone tonight |
| 00:19:20 | kergoth | I'm spending my evening cleaning |
| 00:19:22 | Cloudchaser | heya kergoth! :) |
| 00:19:25 | kergoth | woo hoo |
| 00:19:28 | kergoth | </smartass> |
| 00:19:29 | kergoth | hey Cloud |
| 00:19:30 | tony_the_tiger | grrrrrrrreat! |
| 00:20:29 | ljp- | Sugar: make me a coconut rum and coke |
| 00:20:30 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coconut rum coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands ljp-. |
| 00:20:38 | Cloudchaser | mmmmmmmmm |
| 00:20:40 | angry | hey anybody want a bot loop again |
| 00:20:40 | angry | hehe |
| 00:20:40 | ljp- | bah.. sugar you failed |
| 00:20:42 | Cloudchaser | wants one |
| 00:20:44 | angry | or did you build in protection |
| 00:21:06 | | hey, angry |
| 00:21:06 | angry | ibot hi |
| 00:21:31 | JasonNJ-home | I want neo to port these games: |
| 00:21:33 | JasonNJ-home | http://www.ppc4all.com/search.php?query=adult&lic= |
| 00:21:48 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a long island |
| 00:21:48 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 00:21:50 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 00:21:56 | angry | JasonNJ-home: or does SHARP want neo to port those games |
| 00:22:00 | JasonNJ-home | yo goth. |
| 00:22:21 | angry | how about porting the palma sutra to the Z |
| 00:22:22 | angry | hehe |
| 00:22:28 | angry | "im tired of having to use the emulator!" |
| 00:22:29 | JasonNJ-home | Chix 1.10 |
| 00:22:51 | angry | well now with tkcVideo you can watch all the pr0n u want |
| 00:22:59 | Neo|Work | wonders what his wife would thing. :)) |
| 00:23:01 | JasonNJ-home | "Chix is a challenging arcade game in which you have to reveal the hidden pictures of beautiful babes, by filling a certain percentage of the play area, whilst avoiding all kind of enemies. " |
| 00:23:07 | ljp- | kergoth: you like them 4 drink drinks, eh? |
| 00:23:23 | nadav | lol |
| 00:23:29 | kergoth | ljp-: yeah, and not wimpy 4 drinks either |
| 00:23:30 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:23:36 | kergoth | ljp-: you got my message via ibot? |
| 00:23:43 | JasonNJ-home | Full Disclosure 1.0 |
| 00:23:48 | angry | the only problem is that most of those games are closed source, you'd need to rewrite them |
| 00:23:52 | Neo|Work | heh. how lame. An "app" that is simply a slideshow |
| 00:24:08 | JasonNJ-home | The goal of the game is to place game pieces on a board in accordance with the rules. As you play game pieces, a tasteful image of a sexy model begins to form. If you finish a board, |
| 00:24:09 | JasonNJ-home | the model's image is displayed in full color. As you pass each new level, the underlying image becomes more and more revealing! |
| 00:24:09 | Neo|Work | angry: had a look at http://eongames.com/ recently? |
| 00:24:19 | JasonNJ-home | cool, thats like Strip Tetris |
| 00:24:26 | angry | Neo|Work: nope |
| 00:25:02 | Neo|Work | angry: do that and then consider how many of the games there are open source. ;-) |
| 00:25:06 | | neotron is http://david.hedbor.org or http://eongames.com/ or mailto:david@eongames.com or mailto:david@hedbor.org |
| 00:25:06 | Neo|Work | ibot neotron |
| 00:25:15 | JasonNJ-home | http://www.ppc4all.com/software/por/1646/foto1.jpg |
| 00:25:18 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: strip tetris? lol.. |
| 00:25:22 | ljp- | crap.. Lineo wants help documentation also... ;( |
| 00:25:22 | JasonNJ-home | Strip Blackjack 1.0 |
| 00:25:23 | JasonNJ-home | shweet |
| 00:25:28 | br33zy | moo |
| 00:25:29 | kergoth | ljp-: lol.. |
| 00:25:30 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: heck, perhaps that's the theme for my tetris! ;-) |
| 00:25:34 | kergoth | ljp-: feel sorry for ya man |
| 00:25:37 | angry | Neo|Work: euhh.. none sir |
| 00:25:48 | JasonNJ-home | Neo: DO IT MAN |
| 00:25:52 | Neo|Work | angry: indeed. well, not counting SDlRoids |
| 00:26:01 | scanline | br33zy: you'd like playing Unreal Tournament with me.. I'm usually the "Nali Warcow" model, and my nick is Bouncing Hamburger |
| 00:26:01 | JasonNJ-home | Strip-Tris |
| 00:26:21 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: something really weird is going on with the kernel stuff. |
| 00:26:50 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: and i cant nail it down.. for some reason i cant turn on the leds.. and i can turn on RTS on the serial port but not DTR, and they're turned on via the same method... |
| 00:26:51 | angry | holy shit |
| 00:26:58 | angry | where can i score a copy of "Interstellar flames" |
| 00:27:30 | Neo|Work | It's not out yet. Still waiting for the source to do the port |
| 00:27:34 | Neo|Work | in a week or two perhaps |
| 00:28:02 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: Naming will be critical to avoid lawsuits from The Tetris Company. nothing "tris" that is |
| 00:28:02 | angry | need a *beta tester*? |
| 00:28:05 | kergoth | man, kde should ditch konsole and include Eterm |
| 00:28:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:28:09 | nadav | "I was struggling with a bug in my code all day, but after playing Candy Cruncher for a few minutes my mind cleared up and I found the bug right away!" - TestCase, Candy Cruncher customer |
| 00:28:11 | nadav | haha. |
| 00:28:14 | Neo|Work | angry: nah. As I said, I have no source yet |
| 00:28:18 | angry | Neo|Work: boobtris |
| 00:28:33 | treke|home | aterm is pretty fricken cool :) |
| 00:28:35 | treke|home | er eterm |
| 00:28:36 | Cloudchaser | boobyblocks |
| 00:28:45 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 00:28:48 | treke|home | boobs? where? |
| 00:28:57 | angry | treke|home: neo's game |
| 00:28:57 | angry | lol |
| 00:29:04 | Neo|Work | I'm sure Cloudchaser would be an immediate customer of PeckerBlocks |
| 00:29:15 | JasonNJ-home | ew. |
| 00:29:19 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 00:29:23 | Neo|Work | SPIDERMANTRIS! |
| 00:29:29 | Neo|Work | grins evilly. |
| 00:29:34 | kergoth | takes neo out back and shoots him |
| 00:29:42 | JasonNJ-home | oh god you had to bring that up |
| 00:29:49 | treke|home | gives kergoth more ammo |
| 00:29:51 | kergoth | hey i'm TRYING TO EAT HERE! |
| 00:29:53 | kergoth | bitchers |
| 00:29:54 | treke|home | never can be too sure |
| 00:29:55 | kergoth | s/r/ |
| 00:30:01 | JasonNJ-home | fuck you man, now I am going to have nightmares david, thanks a lot |
| 00:30:02 | angry | shoots BigBoss and takes all his copies of all the tkc series software |
| 00:30:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:30:03 | angry | lol |
| 00:30:28 | | ACTION shoots neo in the head. |
| 00:30:28 | kergoth | ibot shoot neo |
| 00:30:28 | treke|home | angry: dont do that till he disable the tkc theme |
| 00:30:38 | JasonNJ-home | nobody, I mean nobody, should need to see those images in their head. |
| 00:30:38 | | treke|home: excuse me? |
| 00:30:38 | treke|home | ibot: shoot ibot |
| 00:30:41 | Neo|Work | sugar give me a grenade |
| 00:30:41 | Sugar | goes into the kitchen, takes out a grenade and hands it to Neo|Work. |
| 00:30:44 | | :) |
| 00:30:44 | kergoth | ibot: botsnack |
| 00:30:51 | Neo|Work | throws the grenade at ibot. |
| 00:30:57 | treke|home | runs from the holy handgrenade |
| 00:31:08 | angry | worms 2 baby |
| 00:31:10 | | ACTION dodges! |
| 00:31:10 | kergoth | ibot dodge |
| 00:31:11 | Neo|Work | sugar give me a holy handgrenade |
| 00:31:11 | Sugar | goes into the kitchen, takes out a holy handgrenade and hands it to Neo|Work. |
| 00:31:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:31:15 | angry | concrete donkey |
| 00:32:02 | | ACTION rampages, killing everyone in sight! |
| 00:32:02 | kergoth | ibot: go postal |
| 00:32:10 | JasonNJ-home | sugar give me a jumbo mortgage |
| 00:32:21 | angry | JasonNJ-home: how are you playing RocketElite already? |
| 00:32:24 | JasonNJ-home | hmm. |
| 00:32:31 | angry | JasonNJ-home: do you have a ****POCKETPC?!??!?!?#**** |
| 00:32:34 | cdm | back. |
| 00:32:54 | kergoth | re cdm |
| 00:33:01 | kergoth | cdm: locomo hates me. |
| 00:33:06 | Neo|Work | angry: the demo is out |
| 00:33:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:33:07 | JasonNJ-home | angry: just the demo for Zaurus, that crashes like instantly |
| 00:33:17 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: uh. crashes? it shouldn't crash |
| 00:33:21 | Cloudchaser | it crashes? |
| 00:33:26 | JasonNJ-home | the original one you gave me does |
| 00:33:27 | Neo|Work | your ZAURUS is BROKEN |
| 00:33:30 | JasonNJ-home | did you update it? |
| 00:33:35 | Neo|Work | yes most likely |
| 00:33:43 | JasonNJ-home | I'll look at it again tomorrow |
| 00:33:45 | Neo|Work | it's on eongames.com (and in the feed I believe) |
| 00:34:00 | Neo|Work | the new one is smaller (at home) - using FLAC encoding for audio, rox0rs. :) |
| 00:34:26 | cdm | kergoth: locomo is an undocumented bitch supported by a pile of code that I cannot fathom being used in a shipping product. ;) |
| 00:34:34 | kergoth | cdm: here here! |
| 00:34:36 | kergoth | cdm: hehe |
| 00:34:54 | ljp- | heh |
| 00:35:10 | kergoth | cdm: seriously i'm doing something wrong.. i cant even turn on an led. lol. setting LPT0 to LCM_LPT0_TOFH (0x80 iirc) doesnt do it |
| 00:35:10 | JasonNJ-home | kergoth: so like, the LED code is posessed? |
| 00:35:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: YES |
| 00:35:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:35:20 | Neo|Work | damn man, there's Hunting games for the PPC |
| 00:35:32 | JasonNJ-home | oh a hunting game would rock |
| 00:35:43 | treke|home | Pocket Deer Hunter |
| 00:35:51 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:35:52 | nadav | yeah, same goes for a fishing game *sarcasm* |
| 00:36:02 | cdm | JasonNJ-home: the code to support collie is full of magic numbers and obfuscated meaning. |
| 00:36:10 | Neo|Work | and not just one but many! |
| 00:36:15 | Neo|Work | the world IS ending soon, I swear |
| 00:36:16 | prpplague | cdm: what was locomo, i was unable to find it in the arm registry |
| 00:36:23 | treke|home | nadav: you be amazed, but there actually are multiplayer fishing games |
| 00:36:29 | kergoth | prpplague: undocumented gate/array in the zaurus |
| 00:36:32 | nadav | haha |
| 00:36:36 | Cloudchaser | isn't that like watching paint dry? |
| 00:36:41 | nadav | people actually play those games? |
| 00:36:43 | prpplague | kergoth:ahh |
| 00:36:46 | kergoth | man, i hate fishing in real life |
| 00:36:50 | kergoth | i cant imagine a game |
| 00:36:52 | nadav | nah, you don't get to watch your paint die ;) |
| 00:36:53 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 00:37:05 | Neo|Work | RocketElite multiplayer rocks. I think. :) |
| 00:37:08 | treke|home | nadav: its scary |
| 00:37:11 | JasonNJ-home | 3d grizzly hunter, cool |
| 00:37:15 | Neo|Work | However I know no one else with a Zaurus to play with |
| 00:37:20 | nadav | lol |
| 00:37:28 | JasonNJ-home | angband CE? roxors |
| 00:38:26 | Cloudchaser | hmmm if i hook my cable modem directly to my z.. would it explode or catch fire or anything? :) |
| 00:38:33 | nadav | lol |
| 00:38:40 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: try it and see! |
| 00:38:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:38:57 | JasonNJ-home | damn Quake 2 has been ported to PPC? |
| 00:39:04 | Cloudchaser | hehe would warranty cover screaming fast internet overload? |
| 00:39:09 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: yup |
| 00:39:18 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: supposedly playable |
| 00:39:25 | JasonNJ-home | pocket hexen |
| 00:39:26 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: I doubt it'd do anything |
| 00:39:28 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: actually the Z would do very well at handling network loads |
| 00:39:28 | JasonNJ-home | shweet |
| 00:39:30 | Neo|Work | how would you hook it up? |
| 00:39:36 | Cloudchaser | yeah i know.. i'm just joking |
| 00:39:43 | Cloudchaser | have to get an ethernet card is all |
| 00:39:43 | JasonNJ-home | pocket wolf3d |
| 00:39:48 | JasonNJ-home | dang we gotta get on the ball |
| 00:40:08 | Neo|Work | FPS games might run nicely but are they playable? I really don't think so |
| 00:40:12 | JasonNJ-home | cool they have Rayman |
| 00:40:16 | Neo|Work | unless they are made FOR a portable device |
| 00:40:26 | Neo|Work | there's a lot of games and quite a few "famous" ones |
| 00:40:28 | kergoth | i want more classic games myself. |
| 00:40:33 | treke|home | Neo|Work: I dunno, the ui for pocket quake looks pretty usable. |
| 00:40:33 | angry | yeah Neo|Work i dislike that game, it crashx0red my ZS |
| 00:40:34 | angry | Z |
| 00:40:35 | angry | hehe |
| 00:40:37 | cdm | prpplague: LoCoMo is one of the two main (non-cpu) chips inside of the Z. |
| 00:40:47 | treke|home | hasnt tried it though |
| 00:40:59 | Cloudchaser | me too kergoth |
| 00:41:06 | kergoth | cdm: tc35143af likes me.. even scoop likes me.. but locomo hates me.. heheh |
| 00:41:15 | kergoth | cdm: tis just weird |
| 00:41:20 | treke|home | wants usable ports of sarien and freesci |
| 00:41:22 | Neo|Work | I want to port more games that sells. ;-) |
| 00:41:24 | kergoth | too |
| 00:41:31 | JasonNJ-home | neo: this one got a lot of votes |
| 00:41:33 | JasonNJ-home | http://www.ppc4all.com/appdetail.php?id=614 |
| 00:41:39 | treke|home | sales? bah |
| 00:41:45 | JasonNJ-home | T-FORCE platoon |
| 00:42:07 | JasonNJ-home | looks like Scorched Earth |
| 00:42:11 | JasonNJ-home | that would rule |
| 00:42:11 | Neo|Work | scorched earth |
| 00:42:13 | JasonNJ-home | I loved that game |
| 00:42:23 | Neo|Work | I want to port Snails or Battle Dwarfs |
| 00:42:33 | Neo|Work | both are inspired by worms |
| 00:42:41 | Neo|Work | i.e scorches earth on steroids |
| 00:42:42 | kergoth | scorched earth.. |
| 00:42:45 | kergoth | man that game rocked |
| 00:42:50 | oGMo | hehe |
| 00:43:01 | kergoth | i remember when i bought a math coprocessor for my 386.. |
| 00:43:03 | oGMo | launches a deaths head! |
| 00:43:06 | kergoth | the game was so fast it was barely playable! |
| 00:43:08 | Neo|Work | damn people set their prices too high |
| 00:43:15 | nadav | uh |
| 00:43:19 | kergoth | launches a cluster bomb |
| 00:43:19 | nadav | i was about to do something |
| 00:43:21 | nadav | but i forgot |
| 00:43:26 | nadav | ARGH |
| 00:43:28 | Neo|Work | anyhow, heading home |
| 00:43:31 | kergoth | nadav: i hate that. |
| 00:43:44 | nadav | kergoth: been happening too often lately |
| 00:43:47 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:43:55 | nadav | it's the having-slashdot-as-homepage effect |
| 00:43:58 | kergoth | nadav: thast what your Z is for. write it DOWN right away ;-) |
| 00:44:05 | nadav | haha |
| 00:44:16 | oGMo | hehe |
| 00:44:18 | kergoth | thast the theory anyway |
| 00:44:21 | kergoth | not that i do it or anything |
| 00:44:21 | nadav | i'll see if it improves when i get a z ;) |
| 00:44:24 | JasonNJ-home | http://www.ppc4all.com/appdetail.php?id=559 |
| 00:44:24 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:44:27 | nadav | lol |
| 00:44:27 | JasonNJ-home | that looks cool |
| 00:44:31 | JasonNJ-home | jimmy software |
| 00:44:32 | JasonNJ-home | lol |
| 00:44:59 | JasonNJ-home | metalion looks slick |
| 00:45:13 | JasonNJ-home | ziosoft |
| 00:45:17 | JasonNJ-home | oh well |
| 00:45:42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:45:49 | kergoth | i should do laundry |
| 00:46:03 | JasonNJ-home | I should pay attention to my wife |
| 00:46:10 | kergoth | there's an idea |
| 00:46:39 | kergoth | I should start dating again. my ex broke up with me a couple months ago. |
| 00:46:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:46:56 | JasonNJ-home | do, for god sakes dont do that |
| 00:47:05 | JasonNJ-home | we need that kernel man! no distractions! |
| 00:47:06 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:47:12 | kergoth | time to FOCUS eh |
| 00:47:14 | angry | ok wtf is up with this rocket game |
| 00:47:18 | angry | its so fun to fly |
| 00:47:22 | angry | but how do you get points |
| 00:47:31 | JasonNJ-home | you shoot things |
| 00:47:36 | kergoth | I need a good olypic weight set |
| 00:47:51 | kergoth | anyone know a good place to pick that stuff up for a decent price? |
| 00:48:03 | kergoth | I need to totally rig my garage as a physical training facility |
| 00:48:03 | kergoth | hehh |
| 00:48:12 | angry | hahhahaha is that red stuff blood |
| 00:48:12 | JasonNJ-home | garge sales usually |
| 00:48:14 | angry | because if it is |
| 00:48:17 | angry | this is hillarious |
| 00:48:19 | ljp- | ya kergoth: I thought you were dating the kernel now |
| 00:48:24 | kergoth | ljp-: lol |
| 00:48:25 | JasonNJ-home | ebay you would get killed on the shipping |
| 00:48:36 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: yeah, i'm not ording that crap online |
| 00:48:51 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: I'll probably order the floor mats and stuff from Century martial arts, but not the lifting stuff |
| 00:48:54 | JasonNJ-home | "yes I would like to ship 600lbs of metal please" |
| 00:49:00 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:49:07 | kergoth | "hmm, do you have free shipping?" |
| 00:49:17 | nadav | lol |
| 00:49:35 | JasonNJ-home | actually i am told bowflex is pretty good |
| 00:49:46 | JasonNJ-home | but what do I know, I dont excercise and I am a fat bastard |
| 00:50:00 | kergoth | slacker |
| 00:50:11 | angry | okay what do you do with the astronauts once u get them |
| 00:50:12 | kergoth | i'm a slacker myself actually, i havent worked out in like a year and a half |
| 00:50:14 | angry | otherwise i just kill them |
| 00:50:17 | angry | its more fun |
| 00:50:22 | JasonNJ-home | actually I have now reduced myself to eating only salads for lunch now |
| 00:50:33 | JasonNJ-home | with the low cal dressing |
| 00:50:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: i'm doing the soup thing for lunch myself |
| 00:50:39 | JasonNJ-home | freakin pitiful |
| 00:50:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: heh, that stuff wont help without accompanying exercise :-) |
| 00:51:00 | JasonNJ-home | the grill guy looks at me longingly at the cafeteria |
| 00:51:25 | angry | oh you go above the screen |
| 00:51:34 | JasonNJ-home | "what, no more double bacon cheeseburgers?" |
| 00:51:44 | kergoth | mmm double bacon cheeseburgers.. |
| 00:51:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:51:58 | JasonNJ-home | aw hell. |
| 00:52:00 | JasonNJ-home | Niters. |
| 00:52:05 | JasonNJ-home | wife is yelling. |
| 00:52:05 | kergoth | night jason |
| 00:52:06 | Cloudchaser | g'night |
| 00:52:30 | angry | who made this crazy rocket game |
| 00:53:00 | Cloudchaser | points at neo |
| 00:53:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:54:11 | ljp- | JasonNJ: go vegetarian |
| 00:54:21 | ljp- | oh crap he left |
| 00:54:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:55:01 | kergoth | ljp-: you got my message right? that the existing SSP driver for basic DACs actually produces output out of our buzzer? |
| 00:55:07 | ljp- | I dont want to write docs |
| 00:55:14 | ljp- | yes thats cool |
| 00:55:44 | kergoth | ljp-: I wont have time to iron out its kinks, so if you want and have time and some point, feel free to take a look. i'm going to try to get the flash behaving itself. heh |
| 00:56:01 | ljp- | if you can push any char[] through it with a few changes, it can output a wav file |
| 00:56:45 | angry | who made this rocket game!! |
| 00:56:48 | angry | rocketElite |
| 00:57:02 | Cloudchaser | points at Neo |
| 00:57:20 | angry | are you "Douglas Beck" or did you just port it |
| 00:57:33 | Cloudchaser | i think he ported it |
| 00:58:12 | Cloudchaser | nudges Neo|Work |
| 00:58:57 | nadav | ok, i'm gonna go to sleep |
| 00:59:02 | nadav | cya |
| 01:01:26 | angry | i use my Z as a source of warmth |
| 01:01:36 | oGMo | angry: it doesn't get THAT warm :) |
| 01:01:48 | angry | warm enough for me in the summer ;) |
| 01:02:02 | angry | my 800MB laptop is much hotter |
| 01:02:07 | oGMo | angry: yeah |
| 01:02:14 | oGMo | i could turn over my vaio and use it to warm coffee |
| 01:02:15 | angry | its like mcDonalds-style warm |
| 01:02:19 | angry | lol |
| 01:03:00 | Cloudchaser | yeah my laptop needs its own air conditioner |
| 01:03:53 | warmi | hi |
| 01:04:02 | oGMo | heh... air conditioners get warm though ;) |
| 01:04:17 | Cloudchaser | hiya warmi! |
| 01:04:28 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 01:04:39 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 01:04:43 | warmi | man .. I am trying to figure out how to generate mixed asm/C++ output from gcc I can't find any info |
| 01:05:09 | kergoth | that suonds fun |
| 01:05:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:08:18 | warmi | -Wall -W -O2 -g -Wa,-alh,-L |
| 01:08:22 | warmi | nice combo |
| 01:08:28 | kergoth | ack |
| 01:08:28 | warmi | but it does generate what I wanted |
| 01:08:29 | warmi | heeh |
| 01:08:29 | kergoth | thats ugly |
| 01:08:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:09:19 | whardier | heh |
| 01:09:26 | kergoth | sup whardier |
| 01:09:30 | whardier | nothing |
| 01:09:33 | whardier | playing with matchbox |
| 01:09:42 | Cloudchaser | hiya whardier ;) |
| 01:09:52 | whardier | hiya Cloud! |
| 01:10:02 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing tonight? |
| 01:10:08 | ljp- | didnt your mother tell you not to play with matches? |
| 01:10:16 | whardier | no |
| 01:10:22 | kergoth | hmm I think i'm going to start breaking training. like, physical training from wakeup in the morning to sleep at night |
| 01:10:29 | whardier | she decided the small steps were the important ones |
| 01:10:31 | kergoth | i loved fire as a kid.. who am i kidding, i love fire now |
| 01:10:34 | whardier | like.. quit playing with gasolene |
| 01:10:34 | ljp- | mine did.. _after_ I burnt the barn |
| 01:10:38 | angry | MOTHER()%#&($*% the hard part is hard |
| 01:10:44 | angry | on rocketElite |
| 01:10:46 | kergoth | angry: big surprise |
| 01:10:46 | angry | with Hard mode |
| 01:10:49 | angry | hehe |
| 01:13:49 | angry | I BEAT IT!!! |
| 01:13:53 | angry | now time for insane mode :( |
| 01:14:00 | kergoth | good luck |
| 01:14:01 | kergoth | hey roge99 |
| 01:14:13 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth whats new |
| 01:14:13 | ljp- | Sugar: order me a pizza |
| 01:14:26 | ljp- | hmm oh well |
| 01:14:29 | kergoth | roge99: nada.. relaxin. you? |
| 01:14:40 | angry | motherf |
| 01:14:52 | warmi | orr r3,r3,r2,asl#16 |
| 01:14:57 | warmi | recognize that kergoth? |
| 01:14:58 | roge99_laptop | same ... scoutin ebay .... looken for parts for my laptop |
| 01:14:58 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:15:12 | kergoth | warmi: hehe |
| 01:15:37 | warmi | intel asm looks cleaner or maybe I am just more used to it |
| 01:15:54 | Dilb_Stream | you are more used to it :) |
| 01:15:57 | kergoth | warmi: I've taken to arm asm.. i prefer it to intel |
| 01:16:02 | kergoth | Dilb_Stream: exactly |
| 01:16:19 | cdm | warmi: the only thing funny about ARM asm is the fixed instruction length and the use of literal values. |
| 01:16:24 | warmi | yeah . it kind of makes sense .. first rotate asl by 16 left, then OR it with r3 and store back into r3 |
| 01:16:29 | cdm | warmi: You get used to declaring load values. |
| 01:16:34 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/trans.png |
| 01:16:36 | warmi | you can do alot with that but it is confusing at first |
| 01:16:37 | kergoth | warmi: yep. its cool having hte inline barrel shifter... |
| 01:16:39 | kergoth | warmi: yeah |
| 01:16:46 | warmi | cdm: I do ldr,=xx all the time |
| 01:16:52 | warmi | it takes care of most of the problems |
| 01:17:13 | cdm | warmi: sometimes it is faster to do the or,shift method though. |
| 01:17:16 | warmi | but boy was I surprized when I learned one had to use this kind of tricks |
| 01:17:31 | cdm | warmi: be thankful it doesn't have delay-load slots. |
| 01:17:41 | warmi | wtf is that ? |
| 01:17:43 | cdm | warmi: try reading Sparc assembly sometime. |
| 01:17:44 | warmi | don't scare me |
| 01:17:51 | warmi | delay load slots |
| 01:17:52 | warmi | man |
| 01:18:04 | warmi | you load value and it is not loaded really until something else happens ? |
| 01:18:05 | cdm | warmi: there is an instruction after the branch/return that gets run anyways. |
| 01:18:05 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:18:16 | kergoth | ag |
| 01:18:25 | warmi | oh , that prediction |
| 01:18:27 | cdm | warmi: it is a side-effect that got callsed a feature. |
| 01:18:28 | kergoth | didnt know what a delay load slot was.. thats ugly |
| 01:18:44 | angry | its so funny in RocketElite when the people explode |
| 01:19:07 | cdm | warmi: Sparc also has different names for the same registers depending on if you are calling a function or in the function called. |
| 01:19:26 | kergoth | cdm: ew |
| 01:19:32 | cdm | warmi: it does this since it gives every function it's own set of registers - with some overlay. |
| 01:19:47 | warmi | sounds like a virtual set of registers |
| 01:20:16 | warmi | anyway, back to arm .. |
| 01:20:16 | kergoth | thats interesting, and most unpleasant |
| 01:21:05 | angry | lol does Neo|Work just buy source from other people and port it to the Z? |
| 01:21:08 | Dilb_Stream | warmi: it looks weird at the beginning, but it is pretty cool in fact |
| 01:21:14 | kergoth | angry: he gets paid to port, yeah |
| 01:21:22 | kergoth | Dilb_Stream: what does, arm asm? |
| 01:21:30 | Dilb_Stream | yes |
| 01:21:32 | angry | kergoth: wait, does he run that company |
| 01:21:39 | warmi | man .. intel has its own set of weird stuff |
| 01:21:47 | kergoth | angry: eongames, yes |
| 01:21:56 | warmi | some instructions pair with others |
| 01:21:56 | warmi | some not |
| 01:21:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:22:07 | angry | kergoth: maybe i can get him to look around in the code to find some cheats ;) |
| 01:22:12 | warmi | no wonder these days compiler can generate better code than humans, it is hard to remember all this stuff |
| 01:22:15 | kergoth | I like arm asm. I need to let it sink in further though. |
| 01:22:18 | kergoth | warmi: indeed |
| 01:22:28 | cdm | warmi: yeah, but gcc doesn't generate the best ARM code. |
| 01:22:35 | ljp- | asm is for geeks |
| 01:22:44 | cdm | ljp-: the Zaurus is for geeks. |
| 01:22:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:22:50 | angry | asm is for h4x0rz |
| 01:22:51 | angry | hehe |
| 01:22:55 | Dilb_Stream | asm is for speed |
| 01:22:57 | angry | romhackers, etc ;) |
| 01:23:06 | angry | Dilb_Stream: among other drugs |
| 01:23:06 | kergoth | asm definately has its uses |
| 01:23:09 | Dilb_Stream | asm is efficient |
| 01:23:20 | warmi | cdm: I just did some disasembly and it seem to be doing pretty well .. but .. well I don't know all that much about arm asm yet so I am not in a position to judge |
| 01:23:23 | kergoth | not to mention asm gives one a better understanding of the lowest level of computer operation than anything.. |
| 01:23:42 | angry | I DID IT! |
| 01:23:46 | angry | I BEAT INSANE MODE DEMO |
| 01:23:50 | angry | okay im done with this game |
| 01:23:51 | angry | heh |
| 01:23:52 | kergoth | congrats |
| 01:23:53 | | mdz was last seen on #zaurus 12 hours, 21 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: (and you need to seed the prng first) [Mon Jul 29 14:02:24 2002] |
| 01:23:53 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz |
| 01:23:56 | | mdz_ was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 3 hours, 7 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: let me clarify. I'm not using the OZ initrd, only the kernel. is bootflag.txt required for the kernel? [Sun Jul 28 23:16:30 2002] |
| 01:23:56 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz_ |
| 01:24:12 | warmi | well, I learned asm first on my trusty ZX spectrum in 1987 or so .. after that C with its pointers seems natural |
| 01:24:20 | warmi | so there are pluses to knowing asm |
| 01:24:27 | kergoth | warmi: i started with basic |
| 01:24:27 | prpplague | warmi: good choice |
| 01:24:31 | kergoth | warmi: unfortunately. |
| 01:24:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:24:42 | angry | kergoth: where'd you learn ASM |
| 01:24:49 | kergoth | angry: a book |
| 01:24:51 | warmi | well,everbody who started their computing in 80s started with Basic |
| 01:24:53 | kergoth | angry: or two |
| 01:24:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:24:59 | kergoth | warmi: yeah, true |
| 01:25:03 | kergoth | warmi: i wish i hadnt though |
| 01:25:10 | kergoth | warmi: I shouldve learned asm, then went to C |
| 01:25:25 | warmi | C-64, Atari , MSX< ZX Spectrum .. all of these had BASIC in ROM |
| 01:26:00 | kergoth | i started programming at age 11.. was fun |
| 01:26:07 | warmi | I think the best asm I had pleasure to deal with so far has been Motorola 68000 stuff |
| 01:26:26 | warmi | especially after dealing with Z-80 it seemed like a complete new world |
| 01:26:45 | ljp- | Istarted programming in my previous life |
| 01:27:14 | ljp- | but since I age backwards, it hasnt happened yet ;) |
| 01:27:25 | kergoth | ljp-: hah |
| 01:28:17 | cranch | I was the exact same way ljp |
| 01:28:18 | warmi | what is "sl" registerm in ARM ? |
| 01:28:20 | warmi | ldr r0,[sl],#4 |
| 01:28:23 | warmi | hmm |
| 01:28:26 | ljp- | Lineo finally gave me an overview of what they want this app to do... heh |
| 01:28:37 | angry | kergoth: how about you write an easy ass zaurus programming language in ARM ASM? ;) |
| 01:29:01 | angry | <center><button></center><textbox text = " hi "> |
| 01:29:01 | ljp- | ya! one that uses line numbers! |
| 01:29:01 | angry | brb |
| 01:29:06 | warmi | angry: you mean like C++ ? |
| 01:29:11 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:29:23 | cranch | would need to look at the source code to the mv command first |
| 01:29:25 | angry | warmi: with built in qt GUI stuff ;) |
| 01:29:25 | ljp- | 10: goto 20; |
| 01:29:35 | angry | 20: goto 10; |
| 01:29:55 | warmi | thanks to Trolls ... Qt _seems_ like C++ with build in GUI stuff |
| 01:29:59 | warmi | slots and signals etc |
| 01:30:00 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:31:49 | warmi | man ... gcc actually outdid my custom rotation code .. it clocked at 7 ms .. and my hand coded asm clocked at 8 ms |
| 01:31:57 | warmi | I have a lot to learn about ARM asm still |
| 01:31:58 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:33:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:33:24 | angry | i can do the best imitation of myself |
| 01:33:30 | kergoth | angry: liar |
| 01:33:35 | angry | watch |
| 01:33:51 | angry | sUp GU1Z3?!?!??! |
| 01:34:01 | kergoth | bah, that imitation of you sucked |
| 01:34:05 | angry | D1d y0U make Th47 PR0n viewER for tHE Z? |
| 01:34:12 | angry | :( |
| 01:34:18 | angry | im just no good at imitating myself |
| 01:35:18 | kergoth | yeh i couldve told you that |
| 01:35:19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:36:38 | codemnky | insult eveyone |
| 01:36:42 | codemnky | oops |
| 01:36:46 | | everyone is nothing but a decayed tongueful of evil chicken piss. |
| 01:36:46 | angry | ibot insult everyone |
| 01:36:51 | | eveyone is nothing but a decayed coagulation of uninspiring pus. |
| 01:36:51 | codemnky | ibot insult eveyone |
| 01:36:52 | codemnky | :) |
| 01:36:58 | angry | meh im bored |
| 01:37:01 | Cloudchaser | hiya codemnky |
| 01:37:03 | | codemnky is nothing but an impure assload of toad-spotted bat toenails. |
| 01:37:03 | cranch | ibot: insult codemnky |
| 01:37:03 | angry | im gonna try setting up a bot loop again |
| 01:37:04 | cranch | haha |
| 01:37:04 | cranch | :) |
| 01:37:11 | codemnky | that's me! |
| 01:37:11 | cranch | that was mean.. |
| 01:37:13 | cranch | sorry |
| 01:37:15 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:37:16 | angry | sugar make ibot a coke |
| 01:37:16 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands ibot. |
| 01:37:21 | Cloudchaser | whats a bot loop? |
| 01:37:26 | cranch | I f-in hate accounting |
| 01:37:30 | angry | thats no good |
| 01:37:35 | angry | sugar symbol |
| 01:37:41 | ljp- | 's cat is purrrrrrr'ing |
| 01:37:41 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ibot says something that triggers sugar, and sugar replies with something that triggers ibot.. |
| 01:37:42 | angry | sugar quote spoon |
| 01:37:42 | Sugar | angry: Invalid ticker symbol SPOON. |
| 01:37:49 | angry | sugar quote z |
| 01:37:49 | Sugar | angry: Z @ 4:00pm: 11.63 (+0.48 +4.30%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 01:37:51 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: then it continues over and over until someone stops it |
| 01:37:55 | angry | sugar quote zaurus |
| 01:37:55 | Sugar | angry: Invalid ticker symbol ZAURUS. |
| 01:37:56 | warmi | Cloudchaser: when two bots talk to each other in neve-ending loop |
| 01:38:06 | angry | observe |
| 01:38:12 | angry | (one sec) |
| 01:38:20 | warmi | I think someone trigger that on this channel today |
| 01:38:26 | warmi | triggered |
| 01:38:35 | Cloudchaser | botwars :) |
| 01:38:40 | | angry: huh? |
| 01:38:40 | angry | ibot invalid ticker symbol zaurus |
| 01:38:42 | angry | wtf |
| 01:38:47 | angry | o |
| 01:38:50 | | i think Invalid ticker symbol ZAURUS. is sugar quote zaurus |
| 01:38:50 | angry | ibot Invalid ticker symbol ZAURUS. |
| 01:38:54 | angry | ohh wait |
| 01:38:58 | angry | messed up one sec |
| 01:39:00 | ljp- | hahaha |
| 01:39:09 | | kergoth: huh? |
| 01:39:09 | kergoth | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol ZAURUS |
| 01:39:11 | | Cloudchaser: what? |
| 01:39:11 | Cloudchaser | ibot kiss sugar |
| 01:39:12 | kergoth | weird |
| 01:39:31 | | sugar is nothing but a porous heap of goatish poopy. |
| 01:39:31 | Cloudchaser | ibot insult sugar |
| 01:39:31 | | sugar quote zaurus |
| 01:39:31 | angry | ibot invalid ticker symbol zaurus. |
| 01:39:32 | | Sorry, Sugar, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 01:39:32 | Sugar | ibot: shut up |
| 01:39:38 | angry | DAMNIT |
| 01:39:39 | angry | NOOOOO |
| 01:39:39 | kergoth | angry: you want that as <reply>sugar quote zaurus ;-) |
| 01:39:44 | kergoth | haha |
| 01:39:45 | angry | NOOOOOO |
| 01:39:45 | ljp- | I think BZFlag fixed so no looping |
| 01:39:48 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:39:49 | angry | damn you BZ ;) |
| 01:39:50 | W|GGL|T | whoa...this kernel that i havent even touched yet, its showing the proper device and product number |
| 01:39:58 | W|GGL|T | i may not even have to rebuild the kernel |
| 01:40:03 | | Sorry, angry, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 01:40:03 | angry | ibot shut up |
| 01:40:14 | Cloudchaser | nice W|GGL|T |
| 01:40:15 | angry | lol |
| 01:40:26 | angry | i could set shut up to make sugar tell him to shut up |
| 01:40:28 | kergoth | cdm: have you turned on the leds on the Z yet? |
| 01:40:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:40:30 | angry | and on... and on.... |
| 01:40:32 | W|GGL|T | we'll see |
| 01:41:10 | codemnky | whats a bot loop? |
| 01:41:11 | codemnky | whats a bot loop? |
| 01:41:13 | codemnky | whats a bot loop? |
| 01:41:21 | kergoth | codemnky: uh, look up, awrmi explained it |
| 01:41:23 | angry | you really wanna see? |
| 01:41:23 | angry | hehe |
| 01:41:29 | codemnky | whats a bot loop? |
| 01:41:31 | codemnky | :P |
| 01:41:31 | cranch | only if you can stop it |
| 01:41:31 | cranch | :) |
| 01:41:36 | angry | i should be able to |
| 01:41:51 | | Sorry, angry, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 01:41:51 | angry | ibot shut up |
| 01:41:54 | angry | wait wtf |
| 01:42:02 | angry | when you message him ibot shut up he says something different |
| 01:42:18 | | Sorry, warmi, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 01:42:18 | warmi | ibot shut up |
| 01:42:34 | | Sorry, cranch, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 01:42:34 | cranch | ibot: shut up |
| 01:42:38 | cranch | he doesn't |
| 01:42:39 | warmi | nah |
| 01:42:45 | warmi | same story every time |
| 01:42:45 | angry | damnit |
| 01:42:51 | codemnky | sugar make me a jack and coke |
| 01:42:51 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of jack coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands codemnky. |
| 01:42:52 | angry | i cant change "shut up" :( |
| 01:43:38 | cranch | how many bots are in here? |
| 01:43:43 | codemnky | someone once gave me the url to how to make a irc bot |
| 01:43:47 | codemnky | i can't find it |
| 01:43:49 | codemnky | anyone have it? |
| 01:44:19 | | i guess i am "the" bot around |
| 01:44:19 | cranch | ibot: ibot |
| 01:44:54 | | 4 |
| 01:44:54 | cranch | ibot: 2+2 |
| 01:45:01 | cranch | hes even a calculator |
| 01:45:13 | | cranch: i'm not following you... |
| 01:45:13 | cranch | ibot: npv |
| 01:45:16 | cranch | haha |
| 01:45:17 | | warmi: sorry... |
| 01:45:17 | warmi | ibot x+2 |
| 01:45:23 | warmi | ha |
| 01:45:26 | | ...but x is a generic standard. Maybe you mean Xfree86.... |
| 01:45:26 | cranch | ibot: x is 3 |
| 01:45:38 | ljp- | haha |
| 01:45:40 | | warmi: sorry... |
| 01:45:40 | warmi | ibot x *2 |
| 01:45:49 | | ljp-: huh? |
| 01:45:49 | ljp- | ibot: xfree86+2 |
| 01:45:50 | warmi | 2x dumbas |
| 01:45:52 | | cranch: huh? |
| 01:45:52 | cranch | ibot: y=3 |
| 01:45:53 | warmi | :-) |
| 01:45:56 | | OK, cranch. |
| 01:45:56 | cranch | ibot y is 2 |
| 01:46:02 | | cranch: i'm not following you... |
| 01:46:02 | cranch | ibot y*2 |
| 01:46:11 | | cranch: i'm not following you... |
| 01:46:11 | cranch | ibot: y+2 |
| 01:46:13 | cranch | haha |
| 01:46:16 | | y is 2 |
| 01:46:16 | cranch | ibot: y |
| 01:46:27 | cranch | that was pointless |
| 01:46:43 | | warmi: sorry... |
| 01:46:43 | warmi | ibot (5-5)/(5-5) |
| 01:46:45 | warmi | huh |
| 01:46:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:46:57 | ljp- | ibot: y++ |
| 01:47:12 | | OK, cranch. |
| 01:47:12 | cranch | ibot: motd is In Life, you are always logged in as root |
| 01:47:15 | | motd is In Life, i am always logged in as root |
| 01:47:15 | cranch | ibot: motd |
| 01:47:22 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:47:30 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:47:47 | codemnky | i'll take that as a no |
| 01:48:58 | cranch | night all...got Accounting at 8:00 tomorrow |
| 01:49:04 | | cranch: huh? |
| 01:49:04 | cranch | ibot: peace out |
| 01:49:15 | | cranch: i'm not following you... |
| 01:49:15 | cranch | ibot: I love you |
| 01:49:17 | cranch | haha |
| 01:49:36 | | Have a goodnight! |
| 01:49:36 | cranch | ibot: goodnight |
| 01:49:39 | | que tal, mdz_ |
| 01:49:39 | mdz_ | ibot: hi |
| 01:49:43 | | Hehe .. I'm not telling you about bipolar |
| 01:49:43 | mdz_ | ibot: foobar |
| 01:49:53 | cranch | how do you get him to talk Spanish? |
| 01:49:55 | | mdz_: i'm not following you... |
| 01:49:55 | mdz_ | ibot: toosantuhoe |
| 01:50:00 | | mdz_: sorry... |
| 01:50:00 | mdz_ | ibot: I'm jumping off of a bridge |
| 01:50:08 | | mdz_: what? |
| 01:50:08 | mdz_ | ibot: I'm jumping off of a bridge |
| 01:50:13 | mdz_ | he won't play along |
| 01:50:23 | | sexy is the zaurus |
| 01:50:23 | fusion94- | ibot: sexy ? |
| 01:50:28 | | cranch: huh? |
| 01:50:28 | cranch | ibot: nada mas |
| 01:50:33 | cranch | alright |
| 01:50:36 | cranch | laters |
| 01:56:11 | | ljp-: I forgot sexy |
| 01:56:11 | ljp- | ibot: forget sexy |
| 01:57:16 | cdm | kergoth`gone: I have not tried yet now. |
| 01:57:18 | ljp- | mmm pizza |
| 01:57:24 | cdm | s/now/no |
| 01:57:33 | kergoth | cdm: k just checking. its basic and easy, but it doesnt like me |
| 01:57:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:57:41 | kergoth | ljp-: bastard. i ate SOUP for dinner |
| 01:57:42 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:58:08 | jmhodges | ok.. hrm.. how does usbdnet-standalone work? |
| 01:58:17 | jmhodges | i mean is the Z specific stuff already setup? |
| 01:58:25 | kergoth | usbdnet is Z specific. |
| 01:58:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:58:32 | kergoth | by its very nature |
| 01:58:39 | jmhodges | er.. ok :) |
| 01:58:44 | kergoth | or rather, specific to devices using lineo's usb stuff |
| 01:58:47 | kergoth | but close enough |
| 01:58:50 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:58:50 | ljp- | mmm jalapaneo pizza |
| 01:58:53 | jmhodges | ok |
| 01:59:23 | kergoth | man paul oakenfold rocks |
| 01:59:25 | kergoth | cranks the music |
| 01:59:28 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 01:59:42 | jmhodges | kergoth: does usbdnet-standalone work with .17 (im guessing yessss) |
| 02:00:36 | jmhodges | thinks thats a yes |
| 02:00:38 | ljp- | it's working with .18 here |
| 02:01:12 | jmhodges | yeah thats what im using |
| 02:01:48 | jmhodges | Hunk #1 failed when i patch |
| 02:01:53 | jmhodges | and i have no idea why |
| 02:01:59 | jmhodges | i even red/led it |
| 02:02:12 | jmhodges | even though i had used that patch more than once on the same kernel! |
| 02:02:56 | BigBoss | ok, ftp.rygannon.com/pub/OggVorbis - this is our free linux ogg encoder, it needs oggenc and cdparanoia to be installed |
| 02:03:01 | BigBoss | they should be on any system |
| 02:03:10 | ljp- | I dont patch.. I just compile the 'standalone' source |
| 02:03:15 | BigBoss | but if you get the 1.0 version of vorbis tools, you will get even better sounding files |
| 02:03:40 | jmhodges | ljp-: thats why any kernel? |
| 02:03:46 | jmhodges | er.. s/why/with/ |
| 02:04:04 | ljp- | worked here |
| 02:05:51 | kergoth | bad locomo! bad! |
| 02:05:58 | jmhodges | ?? |
| 02:06:09 | kergoth | jmhodges: leds wont turn on |
| 02:06:34 | jmhodges | fuck |
| 02:06:36 | jmhodges | still?? |
| 02:07:04 | codemnky | yes i'm here |
| 02:07:35 | kergoth | jmhodges: yeah, i'm missing something, but i dont know what it is. |
| 02:08:15 | jmhodges | spaghetti code sucks :( |
| 02:09:16 | kergoth | Someone check their dmesg and look for a message GA Chip: |
| 02:09:22 | kergoth | and tell me whats after the : on that line, please |
| 02:09:32 | angry | http://www.freshpulp.com/fishtank/ |
| 02:09:36 | angry | that is very addictive |
| 02:09:41 | angry | that would be awesome for the Z |
| 02:11:21 | W|GGL|T | is making modules |
| 02:12:14 | kergoth | come on, someone dmesg|grep "GA Chip" for me |
| 02:12:17 | kergoth | on their Z |
| 02:12:52 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: what kind of modules? |
| 02:13:19 | W|GG-Libranet | the Z/usb |
| 02:14:38 | ljp- | kergoth: hang on |
| 02:14:51 | jmhodges | nda kergoth |
| 02:15:01 | jmhodges | er.. nada |
| 02:15:44 | whardier | do you trip like I do? |
| 02:16:08 | jmhodges | ?? lol |
| 02:17:00 | ljp- | kergoth: same as jmhodges on both sharp and oz |
| 02:17:14 | codemnky | nite |
| 02:17:41 | W|GGL|T | wtf |
| 02:17:52 | jmhodges | ? |
| 02:17:57 | W|GGL|T | i can't ping this machine |
| 02:18:00 | kergoth | ljp-, jmhodges: err.. change that to grep -i |
| 02:18:24 | W|GGL|T | local network connection seems down |
| 02:18:51 | W|GGL|T | i can ping other machines from this one but they can't ping it |
| 02:18:57 | W|GGL|T | it can't even ping itself |
| 02:19:01 | W|GGL|T | does that sound right? |
| 02:19:23 | darienm | OMG I love the fish game !!!! |
| 02:19:33 | darienm | that would make an excellent handheld app |
| 02:19:37 | W|GGL|T | yet i'm on the internet, so the connection can't be down |
| 02:19:42 | jmhodges | kergoth: still nada |
| 02:19:51 | kergoth | jmhodges: k.. odd |
| 02:20:13 | kergoth | wtf |
| 02:20:18 | kergoth | this is from 2.4.6: |
| 02:20:20 | kergoth | printk( KERN_INFO "GA Chip: %c%c\n", |
| 02:20:20 | kergoth | (LCM_VER >> 8), (LCM_VER & 0xff)); |
| 02:20:27 | kergoth | it should be sitting in your dmesg |
| 02:20:43 | kergoth | okay run syslogd & klogd and check /var/log/messages for it perhaps? |
| 02:20:46 | kergoth | no... that wont work |
| 02:20:46 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:20:46 | kergoth | wtf |
| 02:20:58 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 02:21:09 | jmhodges | pats kergoth on the back |
| 02:21:13 | jmhodges | itll be ok buddy :) |
| 02:21:15 | kergoth | is confused |
| 02:21:27 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:21:38 | kergoth | OH |
| 02:21:41 | kergoth | jmhodges: reboot your Z. |
| 02:21:42 | angry | fr00t is so fun |
| 02:21:47 | kergoth | jmhodges: check dmesg rightt away! |
| 02:21:58 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 02:21:59 | kergoth | jmhodges: the kernel log is a circular buffer.. new messages push the old shit off |
| 02:22:04 | jmhodges | ok |
| 02:22:19 | jmhodges | k :) |
| 02:24:36 | jmhodges | GA Chip: L1 |
| 02:24:41 | jmhodges | kergoth: ^ |
| 02:24:46 | kergoth | whew |
| 02:24:49 | kergoth | feels sane again |
| 02:24:52 | kergoth | thanks! |
| 02:25:04 | ljp- | hmmm interesting |
| 02:25:27 | kergoth | the ver i picked up for my ga chip is l1 also, which means im not fucking up my access of the chip |
| 02:25:30 | kergoth | so i feel better |
| 02:25:30 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:25:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:25:39 | jmhodges | :D |
| 02:25:45 | jmhodges | im glad |
| 02:25:51 | kergoth | i still want to know why the leds wont turn on though |
| 02:25:54 | kergoth | its very annoying |
| 02:25:55 | jmhodges | :D |
| 02:26:01 | kergoth | because its such a stupid small thing |
| 02:26:05 | kergoth | and even that wont cooperate |
| 02:26:15 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:27:04 | kergoth | Linux zaurus 2.5.26-rmk1-cl1 #5 Mon Jul 29 21:46:45 CDT 2002 armv4l unknown |
| 02:27:10 | kergoth | i love running uname on that |
| 02:27:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:27:35 | kergoth | hmmm i have an idea |
| 02:27:36 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:27:43 | kergoth | I'm going to throw the led on/off code into a kernel module |
| 02:27:55 | kergoth | then i'm going to test it on this kernel, and on a stock 2.4.6 kernel |
| 02:27:55 | jmhodges | k :) |
| 02:28:04 | kergoth | and if it doesnt work in mine, something is very wrong |
| 02:28:05 | kergoth | hehh |
| 02:28:06 | scanline | kergoth: are the LEDs on GPIO pins? |
| 02:28:11 | ljp- | kergoth: did you try saying 'great googli-moogli'? |
| 02:28:12 | kergoth | scanline: no, thatd be too easy.. |
| 02:28:22 | kergoth | scanline: uses pwm, i just set a few values in a register |
| 02:28:29 | kergoth | scanline: which is easy also, but it isnt cooperating |
| 02:28:35 | scanline | kergoth: aha! So you can do brightness control? |
| 02:28:37 | kergoth | scanline: because this is fucking spaghetti code |
| 02:28:48 | kergoth | scanline: theoretically.. |
| 02:28:56 | scanline | ooh |
| 02:29:05 | kergoth | but this fucking chip its on |
| 02:29:08 | kergoth | is completely undocumented |
| 02:29:14 | angry | JESUS ZAURUS GAMES OWN |
| 02:29:16 | scanline | wants the zaurus lights to fade on and off slowly when it's charging.. like the iBook slee lights :) |
| 02:29:17 | | games is, like, at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/HandheldsGames |
| 02:29:17 | angry | ibot games |
| 02:29:20 | kergoth | so i'm poking blindly in the dark |
| 02:29:26 | kergoth | scanline: oo thatd be nifty |
| 02:29:35 | scanline | kergoth: oh, that sucks... you'd think they'd document something designed to run open source software |
| 02:29:48 | kergoth | scanline: you'd think.. |
| 02:29:52 | angry | what is wiki |
| 02:30:08 | kergoth | scanline: I have basic specs on it, particularly what the gpio pins on the g/a chip are |
| 02:30:16 | kergoth | scanline: but NO info on the registers, or initialization, or anything |
| 02:30:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:30:34 | scanline | kergoth: darn.. reverse engineering time, I guess... |
| 02:30:35 | kergoth | scanline: other than the ugly ugly source of course |
| 02:30:43 | kergoth | scanline: well, i've got source, it just sucks :-) |
| 02:31:03 | scanline | But.. I haven't seen the official Sharp software do any PWM |
| 02:31:05 | kergoth | scanline: I must be missing something obvious, but for the life of me I cant tell what it is |
| 02:31:15 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 02:31:43 | kergoth | scanline: we've seen sharps driver design.. look a the wonderful inspired buzzer driver </smartass> |
| 02:32:02 | scanline | kergoth: Well, I should have me a replacement Zaurus in a day or two.. I'll be keeping my eyes open for someone interested in a Z with a cracked LCD |
| 02:32:22 | | angry: sorry... |
| 02:32:22 | angry | ibot keybebble |
| 02:32:35 | scanline | hehe.. I've only read the headers for that buzzer driver, but it was pretty annoying |
| 02:32:38 | | angry: sorry... |
| 02:32:38 | angry | ibot key pebble |
| 02:32:43 | | somebody said keypebble was a Virtual Network Computing (VNC) viewer and can be ound at http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/unstable/Packages |
| 02:32:43 | angry | ibot keypebble |
| 02:32:45 | | Web-based problem tracking system, rewrite of an older system called PTS. URL: http://www.stonekeep.com/keystone.php3 |
| 02:32:45 | angry | ibot keystone |
| 02:32:49 | kergoth | scanline: Complex was interested in buying mine.. but i sold it to someone else., might want to ask him |
| 02:32:59 | scanline | ok, thanks |
| 02:33:01 | kergoth | np |
| 02:33:08 | | I haven't seen 'Complex', scanline |
| 02:33:08 | scanline | ibot: seen Complex? |
| 02:33:17 | kergoth | his nick is something weird |
| 02:33:23 | | Com[plex] was last seen on #zaurus 19 days, 19 hours, 56 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: coo [Wed Jul 10 07:36:24 2002] |
| 02:33:23 | kergoth | ibot: seen Com[plex]? |
| 02:33:26 | kergoth | there we go |
| 02:33:28 | scanline | ah |
| 02:33:31 | | I haven't seen 'com[away]', kergoth |
| 02:33:31 | kergoth | ibot: seen com[away]? |
| 02:33:33 | kergoth | herm |
| 02:33:36 | kergoth | i dont remember his other nicks |
| 02:33:41 | kergoth | ah well |
| 02:33:50 | angry | what do apps with "qpe" before them mean |
| 02:33:57 | kergoth | angry: qpe=qtopia |
| 02:34:07 | scanline | hmm.. I could leave a message in the topic :) |
| 02:34:10 | angry | angry = stupid |
| 02:34:18 | scanline | we've done that some in #tuxscreen |
| 02:34:27 | treke|home | s/=/==/ |
| 02:34:29 | kergoth | scanline: |
| 02:34:31 | darienm | angry: actually, qpe = Qtopia Palmtop Environment |
| 02:34:38 | kergoth | ibot: message for Com[plex]: scanline was looking for you. |
| 02:34:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:35:00 | angry | is his nick registered |
| 02:35:07 | kergoth | bah memoserv sucks |
| 02:35:07 | scanline | kergoth: well, that only works if Com[plex] shows up, instead of com[away] or com[whatever] |
| 02:35:14 | angry | heh, i never chekc my memos |
| 02:35:16 | kergoth | scanline: true. |
| 02:35:24 | kergoth | angry: i never login to nickserv unless in eed to |
| 02:35:32 | kergoth | angry: which is why i prefer using ibot for messaging |
| 02:35:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:35:35 | angry | kergoth: well, unless I do it kicks me :) |
| 02:35:43 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:35:50 | angry | err |
| 02:35:52 | angry | changes my name |
| 02:36:06 | scanline | doh... |
| 02:36:08 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 02:36:18 | kergoth | scanline: check this ugly code |
| 02:36:21 | kergoth | http://linux-cl.bkbits.net:8080/linux-arm-2.5-collie/anno/arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie.c@1.4?nav=index.html|src/.|src/arch|src/arch/arm|src/arch/arm/mach-sa1100|hist/arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie.c|diffs/arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie.c@1.4 |
| 02:36:29 | kergoth | scanline: look at the scoop_init function |
| 02:36:33 | scanline | looks |
| 02:36:39 | | erikd was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 37 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: this is great [Mon Jul 29 20:58:59 2002] |
| 02:36:39 | darienm | ibot seen erikd |
| 02:36:45 | | drago was last seen on #zaurus 172 days, 6 hours, 19 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: v23_work, how does x11 run on it? [Thu Feb 7 20:17:03 2002] |
| 02:36:45 | angry | ibot seen drago |
| 02:36:53 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 02:36:53 | angry | ibot ibot |
| 02:36:54 | scanline | kergoth: hahaha.. wonderful comments |
| 02:36:56 | | ibot was last seen on #zaurus 175 days, 21 hours, 28 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: what ? [Mon Feb 4 05:08:46 2002] |
| 02:36:56 | angry | ibot seen ibot |
| 02:37:04 | angry | lol |
| 02:37:11 | angry | thats the only time ibot actually talked |
| 02:37:24 | angry | jesus ibot is in a lot of channels |
| 02:37:26 | kergoth | scanline: comments? what are those? ;-) |
| 02:37:50 | angry | lol and he works across channels |
| 02:38:05 | darienm | watches his snake bathing... its funny |
| 02:38:12 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:38:21 | kergoth | fucking hickups |
| 02:38:23 | scanline | It's probably a good thing I have PicoBot in #picogui instead of ibot.. he gets abused in there |
| 02:38:23 | kergoth | i hate hickups |
| 02:38:31 | jmhodges | lol! |
| 02:38:45 | angry | my snake devoured half his body before spitting it back out |
| 02:38:55 | W|GGL|T | ew |
| 02:38:56 | angry | just kidding |
| 02:38:57 | angry | hehe |
| 02:38:59 | angry | that would be awesome |
| 02:39:00 | kergoth | scanline: isnt that scoop init function ugly? grr |
| 02:39:02 | darienm | he was that stupid or you forgot to feed him? |
| 02:39:02 | angry | snake eating its own tail |
| 02:39:08 | angry | lol |
| 02:39:10 | W|GGL|T | that would be sick |
| 02:39:20 | angry | not digest i mean just get it inside his body |
| 02:39:21 | angry | lol |
| 02:39:49 | scanline | kergoth: The preprocessor abuse I don't mind too much.. but code with zero useful comments always bugs me crazy |
| 02:39:50 | kergoth | dood .. i dont think any animal goes.. hmm.. i'm hungry.. oh look, a tail! *chomp* |
| 02:40:01 | kergoth | scanline: hah, i'm the opposite :-) |
| 02:40:02 | angry | dogs do |
| 02:40:18 | angry | well at least they wish they could |
| 02:40:26 | kergoth | scanline: preprocessor abuse makes the code less intuitive, harder to understand without comments :-) |
| 02:40:46 | jmhodges | lol an |
| 02:42:13 | jmhodges | hmm.. in 2.4.19 .. with a cf reader.. what would be useful to include? |
| 02:42:15 | scanline | kergoth: I'm guilty of preprocessor abuse in a couple places of the picogui code.. some of the pixel-pushing code uses it to duplicate loops operating on slightly different data (because function call or switch() overhead would be too much) |
| 02:42:29 | angry | do any of you have any idea how good froot and rocket elite is? |
| 02:42:33 | jmhodges | er.. in the MTD part |
| 02:42:44 | kergoth | scanline: ah yes, that makes sense.. but here, in an init routine, theres no such excuse :-) |
| 02:42:56 | angry | i love pico... the text editor |
| 02:43:11 | kergoth | s/pico/nano/ |
| 02:43:13 | scanline | yeah. not speed critical, easily done with function calls |
| 02:43:21 | angry | nano is a poop name for it though |
| 02:43:22 | angry | heh |
| 02:43:34 | scanline | nano's free software, pico isn't |
| 02:43:39 | angry | does the Z come with either? |
| 02:43:50 | angry | is it possible to use either on the Z? |
| 02:43:50 | kergoth | angry: not by default |
| 02:43:59 | kergoth | angry: nano is in the OZ feed, iirc |
| 02:44:00 | jmhodges | naaaaano |
| 02:44:03 | ljp- | if I run picogui on my zaurus, does that mean I can now run credit cards? |
| 02:44:05 | jmhodges | oooh it is? |
| 02:44:06 | kergoth | angry: works fine |
| 02:44:10 | angry | nice |
| 02:44:13 | scanline | ljp-: huh? |
| 02:44:16 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:44:20 | angry | can OZ run froot? |
| 02:44:35 | kergoth | angry: OZ is binary compatible with the sharp rom. you can run all your existing apps |
| 02:44:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:44:41 | ljp- | process credit cards with my z.. heheh bad joke |
| 02:45:04 | scanline | is sorry he didn't get it ;) |
| 02:45:20 | angry | kergoth: i thought you said that a few applications didn't work with it |
| 02:45:23 | kergoth | scanline: you think that file was bad for lacking comments.. check this out |
| 02:45:25 | kergoth | http://linux-cl.bkbits.net:8080/linux-arm-2.5-collie/anno/arch/arm/mach-sa1100/locomo.c@1.4?nav=index.html|src/.|src/arch|src/arch/arm|src/arch/arm/mach-sa1100 |
| 02:45:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:45:37 | scanline | uh oh.. worse than zero comments? |
| 02:45:39 | kergoth | angry: well there's no java... and no opera out of the box |
| 02:45:48 | angry | nO JAVAA?? |
| 02:45:50 | angry | AHHHHHHHHHH |
| 02:46:00 | kergoth | angry: I cant legally distribute it, sorry. copy it off your sharp rom :-) |
| 02:46:07 | angry | ohh :) |
| 02:46:09 | scanline | kergoth: what JRE does sharp use? |
| 02:46:21 | angry | because of personaljava liscences? |
| 02:46:33 | scanline | kergoth: I'm sure an open source JRE like Kaffe could be included in OZ if someone had the time/inclination to port it |
| 02:46:35 | angry | scanline: personaljava |
| 02:46:43 | kergoth | angry: ? |
| 02:46:56 | kergoth | scanline: certainly.. but there's no qt bindings for kaffe... yet.. |
| 02:46:59 | angry | angry: I cant legally distribute it |
| 02:47:10 | angry | why not |
| 02:47:12 | kergoth | angry: yes, tis a license deal |
| 02:47:17 | angry | mmkay |
| 02:47:24 | kergoth | angry: i own a Z, i have a license to use it, not to distribute it |
| 02:47:39 | scanline | angry: the sharp rom has lots of non-free software, hence some of the motive for OZ |
| 02:47:41 | angry | does OZ take up less space than the sharp rom? |
| 02:48:08 | kergoth | angry: ? |
| 02:48:23 | kergoth | angry: if you remove apps, yes. it all depends on what apps you have installed |
| 02:48:29 | kergoth | angry: has nothing to do with the distro itself of course |
| 02:48:33 | angry | kergoth: right |
| 02:48:42 | angry | kergoth: can you also remove some of those damn built in apps? |
| 02:48:46 | scanline | kergoth: I don't know what I'll use my 64MB of space I'll have once I get a 5500.. it's so much! |
| 02:48:48 | kergoth | angry: built in? |
| 02:48:58 | kergoth | angry: OZ has a writable root filesystem. you can remove whatever you want |
| 02:49:01 | angry | kergoth: some of the apps built into sharp's rom |
| 02:49:06 | kergoth | angry: i know |
| 02:49:21 | kergoth | angry: in OZ, you can remove the apps from flash if you want, and put things you actually want there |
| 02:49:26 | scanline | kergoth: how big is the flash on the 5500, 16MB? |
| 02:49:26 | angry | kergoth: cool, now i just have to wait for my CF card to come and i can make the switch |
| 02:49:31 | kergoth | scanline: yep. |
| 02:49:44 | kergoth | scanline: i think they shouldve gone with 32mb flash, myself.. but anyway |
| 02:49:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:49:55 | angry | kergoth: it works fine with the 5000d and the sl5500? |
| 02:49:59 | scanline | kergoth: Helio has 2MB flash :) |
| 02:49:59 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:50:04 | kergoth | scanline: hah |
| 02:50:14 | kergoth | scanline: this is qt.. everything is big |
| 02:50:30 | ljp- | 2mb flash.. heh |
| 02:50:32 | kergoth | scanline: hows the text widget coming? |
| 02:51:32 | scanline | kergoth: Got a little distracted with SDL and that LAN party.. Chuck from Blue Mug has also been working on a text editing widget, with different goals than mine.. he emailed a patch to pgui-devel with a rough draft of it, but I haven't got it to compile yet (been running errands and sleeping too much today...) |
| 02:52:01 | kergoth | scanline: ah gotcha.. |
| 02:52:43 | kergoth | grrrrrrrrrrrr!@#% |
| 02:52:45 | scanline | kergoth: Blue Mug is just trying to get editable text as fast as possible, while I'm trying to have a good framework for formatted text, and have good Unicode support |
| 02:53:06 | kergoth | scanline: ahh... well i can see that... |
| 03:02:07 | angry | RocketElite + froot = good loving |
| 03:02:16 | NeoTron | RocketFroot? |
| 03:02:51 | angry | that would be the most logical assumption |
| 03:02:57 | angry | but who will mastermind this game |
| 03:03:18 | angry | wait neo didnt you port rocketelite? :) |
| 03:04:39 | scanline | angry: is Froot written for SDL? |
| 03:04:55 | angry | scanline: SDL? |
| 03:04:57 | | well, sdl is Look at http://www.libsdl.org |
| 03:04:57 | angry | ibot sdl |
| 03:05:02 | angry | o i dont know |
| 03:07:09 | kergoth | damnit damnit damnit |
| 03:07:11 | kergoth | what am i missing |
| 03:07:13 | kergoth | err |
| 03:07:18 | kergoth | xmms just quit itself |
| 03:07:19 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 03:08:38 | angry | NeoTron: how much will rocketelite cost once you're finished |
| 03:10:38 | scanline | hmm.. nope, it uses QCanvas |
| 03:10:48 | angry | its so sexy |
| 03:10:49 | angry | + fun |
| 03:11:33 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:12:07 | angry | i think im in love with my Z and its games |
| 03:13:51 | root | I bought two Z's and two D-Link DCF-650W wiresless cards, set up windows shares, only to find out that the DCF-650W is deisgned so as to preclude plugging in my headphones! I need a different wiresless card - any suggestions/workarounds? |
| 03:14:17 | Cloudchaser | i got a little connecter at radio shack 90 degree angle |
| 03:14:36 | Cloudchaser | i shaved a bit off it now i can put the jack in, put in dlink and plug in speakers ;) |
| 03:14:51 | TrekCycling | I suggest you don't IRC as root :-) |
| 03:15:00 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 03:15:23 | angry | hehe |
| 03:15:36 | angry | root, are you just too lazy to change your default nick or did you set it as root |
| 03:15:56 | W|GGL|T | his username is ~root, too |
| 03:16:12 | kergoth | waits for source navigator to scan the kernel tree |
| 03:16:26 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser: didn't know you had a dlink too |
| 03:16:31 | root | It's a throwaway machine - let the hackers hack - I'm totally new to Linux, and have my network disconnected from this one...I'm not logged in as root, I don't think...but then again, I installed Linux today - BECAUSE I bought two Z's and now need to learn... |
| 03:16:58 | Cloudchaser | W|GGL|T: yeppers |
| 03:17:13 | TrekCycling | you don't *have* to learn Linux for the Zaurus. But Linux sure is fun. |
| 03:17:19 | TrekCycling | uses a DLink also |
| 03:17:28 | scanline | is away: playing some BZFlag |
| 03:17:56 | kergoth | woo, caught up with lkml again |
| 03:17:59 | root | Cloud - I tried that, but I've damaged two nice sets of headphones, and I'm being really careful, - maybe it's the brand... I WANT to learn Linux - tired of BSOD -plus I'm having a lot of fun, just configuring KDE has been a blast... |
| 03:18:20 | TrekCycling | just wait until you try Gnome. Even better. :-) |
| 03:18:20 | Cloudchaser | tried what? |
| 03:18:22 | angry | if someone needs an idea of a game to copy as a Z game |
| 03:18:24 | Cloudchaser | the connector was 2.99 |
| 03:18:25 | angry | www.popcap.com |
| 03:18:31 | angry | any of those i would love you for |
| 03:18:33 | Cloudchaser | i carved that a bit, not the speaker jacks |
| 03:19:00 | angry | holy shiat some of those use java |
| 03:19:06 | angry | i could port that scat to the Z myself |
| 03:19:12 | root | Ah well, I bought the works to splice & rig my own jack, but the D-link card's design is frustrating...it works great, but if I can't listen to the content it accesses... |
| 03:19:14 | W|GGL|T | if a service isn't in /etc/inetd.conf at ALL, you can't use it, right? it's pretty much blocked? |
| 03:19:55 | root | You carved the D-link Card? Geez! You're braver than I! At $100 a pop, I'd be afraid to do that... |
| 03:20:05 | W|GGL|T | in the zaurus zone howtos pages, they tell what card blocks what |
| 03:20:16 | kergoth | root: she carved her $2.99 90 degree connector she bought from radio shack. |
| 03:20:40 | TrekCycling | Radio Shack is your friend |
| 03:21:04 | darienm | Radio Shack is fascist |
| 03:21:07 | darienm | evil |
| 03:21:10 | TrekCycling | agreed |
| 03:21:22 | TrekCycling | but who else has a connector or a long headphone extension? |
| 03:21:23 | TrekCycling | Frys |
| 03:21:25 | TrekCycling | maybe |
| 03:21:27 | kergoth | damn Z |
| 03:21:28 | kergoth | grr |
| 03:21:33 | darienm | blackbox |
| 03:21:39 | kergoth | blackbox kicks ass |
| 03:21:41 | Root-A-Begga | Actually - Radio shack sent me to skycraft - I've bought the works to splice my own - I just wondered if there were any known brands that had a low enough profile to work without my having to break out the ole' soldering iron... |
| 03:21:59 | TrekCycling | why a sodering iron? |
| 03:22:13 | TrekCycling | Cloudchaser's saying just a get a little L-shaped headphone adapter |
| 03:22:19 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 03:22:20 | kergoth | Root-A-Begga: why mess with aa soldering iron? buy a 90 degree connector. shave it down. plug your headphones into the adapter. |
| 03:22:24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:22:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:22:27 | TrekCycling | plug it in and maybe you'll have to shave a little plastic off |
| 03:22:31 | TrekCycling | that's it |
| 03:22:36 | Root-A-Begga | Ah well...just a shot in the dark. I should be concentrating on learning this new OS, not fooling with A/V issues... |
| 03:22:46 | darienm | That's so analog, just have Torres cook something up in Engineering, they're not doing anything else.... |
| 03:22:51 | TrekCycling | You don't know Linux, then. |
| 03:22:55 | angry | go http://popcap.com/, does anyone think they could port the "Big Money" game to the Z? (java version scroll down and hit play now) |
| 03:22:59 | TrekCycling | Linux users worry about flash first, substance later. |
| 03:23:01 | TrekCycling | :-) |
| 03:23:09 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:23:18 | TrekCycling | That's why so much time is spent on Media players and on theming UIs. |
| 03:23:29 | TrekCycling | or skinning |
| 03:23:31 | kergoth | pfft, half hte linux users i know dont even have X installed :-) |
| 03:24:00 | Root-A-Begga | Got a few "naked" 1/8 jacks, some shrink tubing - couldn't find a 90 degree adapter in the size I needed...hehe - Flash first... |
| 03:24:04 | TrekCycling | well, then, maybe just the vocal ones. All I know is what I see on the mailing lists, Slashdot and the Usenet. |
| 03:24:15 | TrekCycling | People are always worried about how something looks. |
| 03:24:19 | kergoth | TrekCycling: yeah, its just the vocal ones |
| 03:24:30 | kergoth | TrekCycling: though i do admit, kde3 + liquid rocks ;) |
| 03:24:51 | TrekCycling | I don't get the liquid thing. |
| 03:25:01 | Root-A-Begga | Just gonna endeavor to persevere... why not make the card a little higher/less wide - of course, they didn't have Z users in mind when they designed it... |
| 03:25:12 | TrekCycling | One night I was on #opie and someone was going on and on and on about how they wanted to get Liquid for their Zaurus. |
| 03:25:17 | TrekCycling | very productive. :-) |
| 03:25:25 | kergoth | Root-A-Begga: should have bought prism2.5 cards, not prism2. much better formfactor |
| 03:25:38 | kergoth | TrekCycling: hah. liquid on my Z looks nifty though... ;-) |
| 03:25:55 | kergoth | TrekCycling: course i dont have anything but console on my z atm, due to the kernel crap i'm working on .. but still |
| 03:25:55 | jmhodges | wants liquid soo bad |
| 03:25:59 | kergoth | jmhodges: install it |
| 03:26:17 | TrekCycling | ah, so you can run Liquid on the Z? With OZ, I assume? |
| 03:26:18 | darienm | BIG MONEY is hard after level 4 |
| 03:26:18 | jmhodges | kergoth: cant.. compiling a new kernel.. then need install usbdnet |
| 03:26:21 | jmhodges | :D |
| 03:26:23 | kergoth | jmhodges: ah |
| 03:26:25 | angry | what is liquid |
| 03:26:31 | kergoth | TrekCycling: yes, liquid works flawless under opie |
| 03:26:33 | | angry: what? |
| 03:26:33 | angry | ibot liquid |
| 03:26:39 | jmhodges | well i finished the compile.. now i need to get alsa and NVIDIA taken care off |
| 03:26:45 | TrekCycling | uses the stock kernel |
| 03:26:47 | kergoth | angry: a kde style by mosfet |
| 03:26:51 | angry | oh |
| 03:26:53 | jmhodges | angry: its a theme .. originally for kde |
| 03:26:56 | jmhodges | damn you kergoth! |
| 03:26:58 | kergoth | very popular |
| 03:27:01 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:27:06 | jmhodges | shakes his fist at kergoth vicariously |
| 03:27:11 | angry | is gnome not elite enough? |
| 03:27:14 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:27:16 | TrekCycling | what's it look like? |
| 03:27:18 | kergoth | shakes his fist at LoCoMo |
| 03:27:19 | jmhodges | pretty |
| 03:27:25 | angry | or how about windowmanager |
| 03:27:25 | angry | hehe |
| 03:27:30 | TrekCycling | gnome is ver 3l33t |
| 03:27:33 | TrekCycling | very |
| 03:27:37 | kergoth | i dont use gnome myself |
| 03:27:44 | jmhodges | shakes his fist at LoCoMo because it has a silly name.. DoCoMo rip off! rrrrr |
| 03:27:56 | kergoth | e17 is pretty kickass. i wonder how itll do once its using evas2 |
| 03:28:00 | kergoth | jmhodges: hah |
| 03:28:01 | jmhodges | xfce baaabeeeee! |
| 03:28:03 | Root-A-Begga | ker - gonna have to - don't really wanna rig anything |
| 03:28:07 | W|GGL|T | good lord....been trying to compile modules for like 2 hours! |
| 03:28:08 | | jmhodges: huh? |
| 03:28:08 | jmhodges | ibot locomo |
| 03:28:26 | TrekCycling | xfce is nice. If the fonts and icons didn't suck so bad I'd probably use it. :-)( |
| 03:28:30 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:28:33 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 03:28:33 | kergoth | ibot: locomo is a completely undocumented chip in the Sharp Zaurus |
| 03:28:33 | angry | isnt KDE pretty bad because it wont support gnome shiat? why not one of those window managers that will do both |
| 03:28:34 | jmhodges | ill pass that along.. |
| 03:28:38 | kergoth | angry: huh? |
| 03:28:39 | W|GGL|T | uses XFCE alot |
| 03:28:51 | kergoth | angry: gnome apps run in kde, kde apps run in gnome, yiou just install the libraries. |
| 03:28:56 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 03:28:56 | TrekCycling | yeah |
| 03:29:10 | angry | oh |
| 03:29:20 | jmhodges | TrekCycling: ill pass that along.. know a couple of devs.. maybe they can packed the kde and gnome icons along with it (those are what i use for my apps :) |
| 03:29:28 | TrekCycling | i.e. you have to install the entire WM because of the depenencies. :-) |
| 03:29:33 | Root-A-Begga | Well - I'm off to read some newbie tutorials. Thanks for input all - good evening. |
| 03:30:20 | jmhodges | TrekCycling: well i have my own testing i have to do silly :) |
| 03:30:30 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 03:30:30 | kergoth | ibot: collie is a dog |
| 03:30:33 | TrekCycling | jmhodges: No kidding? That would be sweet. I actually REALLY like xfce, but it is kind of painful to look at. I guess you can enable aliasing, but it's a pain. I have programming to do and no time to fool with it. |
| 03:30:47 | jmhodges | hehe TrekCycling |
| 03:30:51 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 03:30:51 | kergoth | ibot: collie is also Sharp's name for their sa11x0 implmentation in the Zaurus SL-5000d and SL-5500 |
| 03:30:52 | jmhodges | mind if i quote ya ? |
| 03:30:56 | jmhodges | TrekCycling: ^ |
| 03:31:13 | TrekCycling | That's fine |
| 03:31:39 | TrekCycling | If it wasn't painful to look at I'd use it 24/7. You can print that. :-) |
| 03:32:05 | TrekCycling | not that aliased fonts in KDE are anything to write home about. That's one of the few things I don't like about Linux. I miss Macintosh fonts. |
| 03:32:16 | kergoth | X's font handling is atrocious. |
| 03:32:49 | jmhodges | hehe TrekCycling |
| 03:32:50 | TrekCycling | that's being cruel to the word atrocious |
| 03:33:07 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:33:11 | jmhodges | hehe trek |
| 03:33:28 | sjohnson | kergoth: that's being handled now. Jim Getty, Keith Packard, et. al. are enhancing font handling right now |
| 03:33:52 | kergoth | sjohnson: in X as a whole? |
| 03:34:19 | kergoth | hrm wtf |
| 03:34:25 | TrekCycling | that would be great. I swear that's the thing the vocal Linux users spend the 2nd most time on, trying to get better fonts. |
| 03:34:26 | sjohnson | I think so. |
| 03:35:03 | sjohnson | But don't quote me on it. :) |
| 03:35:14 | TrekCycling | It goes.... Skinning Window Managers and Apps, Getting better fonts, Trying to get NVidia drivers to work and somewhere way down the list are things having to do with Linux itself :-) |
| 03:35:21 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:35:34 | kergoth | TrekCycling: nvidia drivers to work... apt-get install nvidia-glx-src nvidia-kernel-src; |
| 03:35:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:35:50 | TrekCycling | I know. But it seems like I always see posts about this. |
| 03:35:51 | ][N-Flux | We need fonts, lot's of fonts |
| 03:35:58 | ][N-Flux | fonts scroll by |
| 03:36:01 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: we need font handling that doesnt suck. |
| 03:36:03 | ][N-Flux | hehehe' |
| 03:36:13 | TrekCycling | I just wouldn't get an NVidia card. There's an idea. |
| 03:36:21 | jmhodges | kergoth: BAH! lin NVIDIA_kernel NVIDIA_GLX |
| 03:36:26 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 03:36:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:36:33 | TrekCycling | I never buy bleeding edge hardware for Linux. The Radeon works great. |
| 03:36:40 | ][N-Flux | Nvidia is the easiest thing to setup |
| 03:36:41 | jmhodges | hehe TrekCycling |
| 03:37:04 | jmhodges | cause its binary right flux ? ;) |
| 03:37:15 | ][N-Flux | jmhodges: yuppers |
| 03:37:20 | TrekCycling | ][N-Flux: apparantly it isn't, judging by the gigabytes of bandwidth spent trying to configure it. |
| 03:37:23 | kergoth | jmhodges: well, its partly binary |
| 03:37:30 | jmhodges | heh |
| 03:37:34 | kergoth | TrekCycling: nono, its easy, its just that all those people are stupid. |
| 03:37:35 | ][N-Flux | even though the nvidia frambuffer keeps crappin out on me |
| 03:37:39 | TrekCycling | hah |
| 03:38:44 | sjohnson | kergoth: From Jim this mornging on #handhelds.org. |
| 03:38:51 | sjohnson | <jgettys> cmarqu: fontconfig automagically discovers new fonts/font directories at run time.... |
| 03:38:57 | kergoth | sjohnson: ooooo |
| 03:39:01 | kergoth | sjohnson: nifty |
| 03:39:17 | sjohnson | 10:26:49 <cmarqu> jgettys: Will it be able to help me in doing: "give me a bold version of the font I am using currently"? |
| 03:39:17 | sjohnson | 10:27:07 <jgettys> cmarqu: yes, if you know the base name of the font. |
| 03:39:17 | sjohnson | 10:27:14 <mallum> cmarqu: you can do that with the current ( for ipaq ) xft |
| 03:39:17 | sjohnson | 10:27:41 <mallum> cmarqu: just specify an xft font like verdana,sans serif:bold |
| 03:39:17 | sjohnson | 10:28:49 <jgettys> cmarqu: It also deals with finding i18N coverage: you can say: I need a font to render romanian and chinese (hong kong variant), and it will return the set of fonts required to render those languages... |
| 03:39:36 | sjohnson | 10:29:53 <jgettys> cmarqu: The belief by Keith is that we'll end up with a better font scheme that either windoze or Mac (he's usually right).... |
| 03:40:09 | kergoth | sjohnson: man, that'll kick ass. |
| 03:40:21 | kergoth | sjohnson: fonts are one of the things that drive me nuts about X |
| 03:40:34 | TrekCycling | the terminal fonts are fine :-) |
| 03:40:42 | ][N-Flux | :P |
| 03:40:54 | TrekCycling | green on black, what more do you need? |
| 03:41:01 | ][N-Flux | Amber on black |
| 03:41:04 | ][N-Flux | geeze |
| 03:41:12 | darienm | Better font management than Mac ? |
| 03:41:18 | darienm | good luck. |
| 03:41:42 | ][N-Flux | X has more issues than fonts |
| 03:41:52 | kergoth | true that |
| 03:41:58 | kergoth | but fonts always annoyed me to no end |
| 03:42:00 | TrekCycling | like the fact that you're running a server when you don't need a server? |
| 03:42:11 | ][N-Flux | kergoth at least they are starting to get better |
| 03:42:12 | kergoth | TrekCycling: ? |
| 03:42:20 | kergoth | TrekCycling: thats an advantage.. network transparency |
| 03:42:23 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: yes |
| 03:42:23 | sjohnson | darienm: If the scheme based on what Keith did for the TT rendering, it wil be better then the MAC |
| 03:42:35 | ][N-Flux | got his tuxscreen today |
| 03:42:40 | TrekCycling | Is it an advantage for everyone? |
| 03:42:44 | darienm | Mac has Quartz font rendering, its gorgeous. |
| 03:42:46 | ][N-Flux | need nice clean fonts for that |
| 03:42:53 | kergoth | TrekCycling: its a feature. it doesnt hurt anything. |
| 03:43:02 | TrekCycling | and isn't direct to FB faster? That's what QT does on the Z, right? |
| 03:43:08 | sjohnson | And there's this little tidbit: |
| 03:43:10 | sjohnson | 10:32:36 <jgettys> cmarqu: The other idea that Keith has had recently is to can PCF fonts from the X server completely, by repackaging the existing X bitmap fonts into ttf files.... (truetype will support bitmaps). |
| 03:43:14 | kergoth | TrekCycling: yes, and you lose network transparency |
| 03:43:28 | kergoth | TrekCycling: you wouldnt be able to do dumb clients for a client-server environment easily for example |
| 03:43:40 | TrekCycling | I'm not saying kill X. |
| 03:43:46 | TrekCycling | I'm just saying not everyone needs dumb clients. |
| 03:44:13 | TrekCycling | ma and pa aren't going to run dummy terminals so they can grok the Gimp from the kitchen. |
| 03:44:20 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 03:44:27 | kergoth | TrekCycling: so? |
| 03:44:32 | Cloudchaser | they don't need no terminals for that! |
| 03:44:35 | ][N-Flux | TrekCycling: but they should ;) |
| 03:44:40 | Cloudchaser | they rather do that in privacy anyway! |
| 03:44:43 | TrekCycling | damn right they should. |
| 03:44:45 | kergoth | TrekCycling: why lose network transparency when it doesnt hurt anyone? |
| 03:45:01 | TrekCycling | surely there are drawbacks. |
| 03:45:03 | sjohnson | TrekCycling: X really isnt that resource intensive any more. Jim is even putting Xlib on a diet. He's cutting a lot of the kruft out of it. |
| 03:45:03 | kergoth | seems pointless |
| 03:45:56 | sjohnson | TrekCycling: You can have a very usuable X environment on a 4MB jffs2 partition. |
| 03:46:19 | sjohnson | Now where is that screen shot?/// |
| 03:46:22 | TrekCycling | referring to the Z, you mean? |
| 03:46:39 | TrekCycling | I haven't tried X on the Z or the iPaq. |
| 03:46:41 | sjohnson | Actually a tuxscreen. |
| 03:46:47 | TrekCycling | ah |
| 03:46:58 | TrekCycling | What is a tuxscreen. I keep hearing about that, but I've never seen it. |
| 03:47:01 | ][N-Flux | sjohnson: got mine today, the busybox isn't too fun :P |
| 03:47:14 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: ? |
| 03:47:16 | ][N-Flux | TrekCycling: www.tuxscreen.net |
| 03:47:17 | sjohnson | Ah here we are http://handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/matchbox-tuxscreen-01.png |
| 03:47:30 | ][N-Flux | zaurus in phone form :) well, kinda |
| 03:47:33 | kergoth | bah, should run opie on the tuxscreen instead :-) |
| 03:47:57 | | hmmm... tuxscreen is http://TuxScreen.net/ order at http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Users/TimRiker and http://tuxscreen.net/scrapbook/images.html or #TuxScreen |
| 03:47:57 | sjohnson | ibot: tuxscreen |
| 03:48:17 | TrekCycling | oh yeah, I remember that. |
| 03:48:21 | kergoth | argh |
| 03:48:22 | TrekCycling | those are still for sale? |
| 03:48:28 | sjohnson | kergoth: Buy lots and do it all. |
| 03:48:30 | ][N-Flux | not too many left |
| 03:48:32 | kergoth | waits for source navigator to crossreference his 2.4.6 linux tree |
| 03:48:43 | sjohnson | TrekCycling: Yep. get'em while there hot |
| 03:48:48 | kergoth | sjohnson: I'm broke, otherwise id buy a few tuxscreens for various purposes around my place here. heh |
| 03:48:52 | ][N-Flux | I wanna get one more |
| 03:49:03 | TrekCycling | what can they do? |
| 03:49:05 | TrekCycling | dummy terms? |
| 03:49:15 | TrekCycling | can they do wifi? |
| 03:49:18 | kergoth | TrekCycling: its linux. it can do what you want it to do |
| 03:49:20 | ][N-Flux | they can run debian arm |
| 03:49:23 | kergoth | TrekCycling: it has pcmcia slots |
| 03:49:23 | ][N-Flux | familiar |
| 03:49:31 | TrekCycling | it has PCMCIA slots? |
| 03:49:33 | TrekCycling | holy crap |
| 03:49:35 | ][N-Flux | blah blah etc etc |
| 03:49:37 | sjohnson | TrekCycling: It's like a but Ipaq/Zaurus |
| 03:49:38 | ][N-Flux | 2 slots |
| 03:49:42 | TrekCycling | I need to get one of those for my kitchen table |
| 03:49:47 | sjohnson | Type 3 slot. |
| 03:49:56 | ][N-Flux | can hack in an ide drive too |
| 03:50:01 | scanline | is back (gone 00:32:33) |
| 03:50:09 | kergoth | I'd like a tuxscreen to function as a recipe browser in my kitchen, myself |
| 03:50:18 | TrekCycling | All I'd want to do with it is remote x from my desktop |
| 03:50:21 | sjohnson | Has a DSP to handle telephone stuff, DTMF, modem, big LCD screen and touchscreen |
| 03:50:28 | TrekCycling | what does it run out of the box? |
| 03:50:35 | ][N-Flux | inferno os |
| 03:50:48 | sjohnson | It's basically an Internet Applicance/Phone. |
| 03:51:20 | sjohnson | Has web browser, phone directory, Note pad, e-mail client, etc. |
| 03:51:33 | TrekCycling | huh |
| 03:52:11 | kergoth | sjohnson: how far along is the linux support for the tuxscreens' telephony functionality? |
| 03:52:16 | sjohnson | On and calender. That's just the inferno app stuff that it comes with. You can lot blob and load up a jffs2 partition |
| 03:52:25 | jmhodges | with usbdnet standalone i dont need the usb stuff in moudles.. right? |
| 03:52:32 | kergoth | jmhodges: hmm? |
| 03:52:41 | kergoth | jmhodges: usbdnet is just the usb networking. you still need usb support |
| 03:53:18 | sjohnson | kergoth: all of the phone functionality. There s a small daemon that intefaces to the DSP. By default it functions as a normal phone. BFlag and crew have developed an API for accessing/controling the the DSP. |
| 03:53:29 | kergoth | goddamn source navigator is slow at parsing |
| 03:53:33 | jmhodges | kergoth: yeah but i can build them in if i dont patch them right? |
| 03:53:37 | kergoth | sjohnson: oh nice |
| 03:53:44 | kergoth | jmhodges: why bother? |
| 03:53:47 | sjohnson | They've got it booting the kernel from the jffs file system. |
| 03:53:47 | kergoth | jmhodges: but yeah you can |
| 03:53:59 | kergoth | jmhodges: I always build my usb stuff as modules and use hotplug myself |
| 03:54:00 | ][N-Flux | tuxscreen needs fluxbox |
| 03:54:18 | kergoth | sjohnson: yeah i knew that.. cool. i need more money. dmanit. heh. |
| 03:54:24 | kergoth | owning a house is so damn expensive |
| 03:54:28 | kergoth | even a townhouse |
| 03:54:40 | jmhodges | kergoth: well my damn mouse isnt working right .. so ineed to recompile.. but i just wanted to ask |
| 03:54:43 | sjohnson | kergoth: The only thin git can't do, (which bugs me) is that your can not direct a voice stream to data data. |
| 03:54:43 | TrekCycling | That reminds me, I need to water my lawn. |
| 03:54:49 | jmhodges | kergoth/: cause im going back in.. |
| 03:54:54 | TrekCycling | Just put it in this weekend and it needs water |
| 03:54:56 | jmhodges | stops bothering kerg |
| 03:54:59 | ][N-Flux | kergoth you aint kidding |
| 03:55:05 | kergoth | sjohnson: or vice versa i assume? so no answering machine functionality? ;-) |
| 03:55:27 | kergoth | TrekCycling: thats one thing i like about a townhouse.. i hate yardwork |
| 03:55:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:55:30 | sjohnson | kergoth: Correct. But there is a hardware mod that enables VoIP for it. |
| 03:55:45 | TrekCycling | I hate it too. That's why my yard's just went in last weekend after a year and a half. |
| 03:55:49 | kergoth | sjohnson: ah, well that'd be nifty |
| 03:55:53 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:55:55 | sjohnson | kergoth: You can do H323 and SIP stuff. |
| 03:56:01 | kergoth | sjohnson: nice |
| 03:56:34 | sjohnson | I've got a small linux computer that's also a speaker phone. ;-\ |
| 03:56:38 | sjohnson | Crazy!! |
| 03:56:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:56:59 | kergoth | mutters about needing a better job |
| 03:57:03 | ][N-Flux | wireless keyboard to boot |
| 03:57:38 | sjohnson | Oh yeah. I forgot anout that too. A nice IR keyboard. |
| 03:57:41 | kergoth | shit tim is down to 50 left? |
| 03:57:46 | kergoth | damn |
| 03:57:50 | TrekCycling | the tuxscreen has that too? |
| 03:58:09 | TrekCycling | might have to buy one |
| 03:58:38 | sjohnson | TrekCycling: Yep. But you have to be careful using the kerboard. Every Tux Screen in the ares responds to the keyboard input. :) |
| 03:58:45 | ][N-Flux | get them while they are hot |
| 03:59:03 | TrekCycling | I *NEED* to be able to run VIM in my kitchen. |
| 03:59:31 | sjohnson | TrekCycling: Nice price to. $99US each plus shipping. |
| 03:59:56 | TrekCycling | alright, night all |
| 04:00:17 | kergoth | shit snav is still at 37% on the xref |
| 04:00:19 | kergoth | grr |
| 04:00:27 | Xentac | quick... I need someone's opie-addressbook.desktop file! |
| 04:00:34 | kergoth | de ja vu |
| 04:00:39 | Xentac | bwahahaha |
| 04:00:47 | Xentac | figures that someone in here might have it ;o) |
| 04:01:19 | W|GGL|T | ahhh..finally desktop-syncing with the Z again |
| 04:04:04 | angry | dear god i used my Z for too long |
| 04:04:16 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:04:22 | angry | when i came back i touched my finger on the taskbar app for #zaurus |
| 04:04:25 | angry | and expected it to do something |
| 04:04:29 | angry | on the monitor that is |
| 04:04:35 | jmhodges | lol! |
| 04:04:38 | jmhodges | ive almost done that |
| 04:04:50 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:05:01 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:05:02 | angry | actually a touchscreen would be pretty sweet here |
| 04:05:02 | angry | hehe |
| 04:05:04 | W|GGL|T | now that's bad |
| 04:05:19 | | i heard zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 04:05:19 | angry | ibot, zsi |
| 04:05:25 | kergoth | goddamn |
| 04:05:32 | sjohnson | 'Nite all. |
| 04:05:35 | kergoth | im gonna have to let source navigator parse this kernel tree over night |
| 04:05:37 | kergoth | night sjohnson |
| 04:05:38 | jmhodges | night sjohnson |
| 04:05:43 | jmhodges | kergoth hehe |
| 04:05:56 | kergoth | it should let me parse this spaghetti code better :-) |
| 04:06:06 | kergoth`zzz | gonna lay down and read a book |
| 04:06:08 | kergoth`zzz | night all |
| 04:06:24 | Xentac | seriously though |
| 04:06:38 | angry | the Z needs more games! |
| 04:06:42 | Xentac | I need someone to give me their opie-addressbook.desktop (or addressbook.desktop) |
| 04:06:48 | angry | 85's not enough :) |
| 04:07:24 | prpplague | kergoth`zzz: night |
| 04:07:36 | jmhodges | night kergoth`zzz |
| 04:08:09 | angry | kergoth`zzz: later |
| 04:08:15 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 04:08:17 | sig | I got a camera |
| 04:10:13 | Xentac | anyone know how to exit scummvm properly? |
| 04:10:27 | NeoTron | ack |
| 04:10:38 | NeoTron | I forgot my CF ethernet card at work!!! |
| 04:11:10 | jmhodges | Doh! |
| 04:11:34 | NeoTron | not only that, I have 3 days off |
| 04:12:27 | jmhodges | LOLL |
| 04:12:36 | jmhodges | do you know the security guards ? :) |
| 04:13:21 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 04:15:51 | angry | NeoTron: where do you work |
| 04:16:30 | jmhodges | brb |
| 04:18:02 | warmi | NeoTron: you were right ... I was missing -o2 in my makefile |
| 04:18:12 | warmi | it does clock at 7-8 ms now |
| 04:19:37 | W|GGL|T | sorry...still configuring my box |
| 04:25:51 | jmhodges | usbdnet-standalone worked! |
| 04:25:53 | jmhodges | YES |
| 04:25:55 | jmhodges | does his happy dance |
| 04:26:24 | jmhodges | i love you networked Z |
| 04:26:25 | W|GGL|T | brb.... |
| 04:26:30 | jmhodges | hugs his Z |
| 04:27:23 | jmhodges | harsh W|GG-Libranet, suck_it |
| 04:27:28 | W|GG-Libranet | lol |
| 04:27:37 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:27:48 | W|GG-Libranet | my other one is 'deeznutz' |
| 04:27:51 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:28:16 | jmhodges | has a thing for male genatalia |
| 04:28:18 | jmhodges | er. |
| 04:28:19 | jmhodges | SHIT |
| 04:28:20 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:28:30 | jmhodges | that was meant to be W|GG-Libranet has a .. |
| 04:28:40 | jmhodges | damn my little brother |
| 04:28:42 | jmhodges | :( |
| 04:28:52 | roge99 | lol |
| 04:29:05 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:29:13 | jmhodges | JESUS |
| 04:34:08 | Wembly | the sa1100_bi (deleted) thing |
| 04:35:16 | W|GG-Libranet | * jmhodges has a thing for male genatalia |
| 04:35:18 | W|GG-Libranet | lol |
| 04:35:51 | jmhodges | indeed |
| 04:36:10 | jmhodges | wonders wtf his little bro is still doing up |
| 04:36:33 | jmhodges | >:) off to ask and get.. cookies! |
| 04:36:41 | Wembly | OMG! finally |
| 04:36:53 | Wembly | and then wembly said let there be a network |
| 04:36:56 | Xentac | anyone used scummvm very much? |
| 04:36:56 | Wembly | and the zaurus agreed :) |
| 04:37:17 | jmhodges | lol Wembly |
| 04:37:33 | Wembly | sorry |
| 04:37:36 | Wembly | been playing with oz |
| 04:37:51 | Wembly | and for some silly resone i thought i needed to use the old CDCEther driver. |
| 04:38:08 | W|GG-Libranet | damn....mouse went dead |
| 04:38:12 | jmhodges | you mean the kernel specific one? |
| 04:38:17 | Wembly | jmhodges: i dunno |
| 04:38:21 | Wembly | the old one :) |
| 04:38:32 | Wembly | then i found out hey wait no i dont. |
| 04:38:40 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:38:46 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 04:38:56 | Wembly | its doing a ipkg update... |
| 04:39:03 | Wembly | but there dosnt seem to be any activity on the net :/ |
| 04:39:44 | jmhodges | did you do the neato routing bit |
| 04:40:01 | Wembly | im useing dhcp |
| 04:40:06 | Wembly | so i shouldnt need to |
| 04:40:11 | Wembly | besides it connected and got the header |
| 04:40:11 | jmhodges | oh |
| 04:40:15 | jmhodges | well i dunno about dhcp |
| 04:41:43 | Xentac | anyone know how to save with scummvm? |
| 04:42:49 | Wembly | gawd im screwed |
| 04:43:12 | Wembly | usb-uhci screws my system over and uhci cant send more then a few k before the connection dies. |
| 04:45:05 | jmhodges | :( |
| 04:45:08 | jmhodges | that sucks |
| 04:45:17 | jmhodges | Wembly: what kernel? |
| 04:45:27 | jmhodges | damn.. quick poll |
| 04:45:32 | jmhodges | what color for opie-liquid |
| 04:48:16 | prpplague | ok guys, time to trade my x on z for some z on pillows |
| 04:48:36 | cdm | evening. |
| 04:48:43 | prpplague | cdm: goodnight |
| 04:48:48 | jmhodges | groans |
| 04:48:52 | jmhodges | prpplague: that was good :) |
| 04:49:01 | jmhodges | prpplague: cquite the groaner.. |
| 04:49:03 | jmhodges | gnight pr |
| 04:49:05 | jmhodges | gnight prpplague |
| 04:49:10 | cdm | g'night prpplague |
| 04:49:12 | prpplague | night jmhodges |
| 04:56:07 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:56:40 | jmhodges | Wembly: what kernel? |
| 05:03:01 | Wembly | jmhodges: 2.4.18 |
| 05:16:59 | jmhodges | ah.. well i used that successfully .. for a while |
| 05:17:09 | jmhodges | with the .18 usbdnet patch |
| 05:17:23 | jmhodges | just today i switched up to a .19 with the standalone patch |
| 05:17:28 | jmhodges | but |
| 05:17:31 | jmhodges | shrugs |
| 05:17:33 | jmhodges | that sucks Wembly |
| 05:23:39 | W|GG-Libranet | xine only plays hard media? (dvd/cdrom/vcd) |
| 05:25:50 | sig | yo |
| 05:26:06 | jmhodges | W|GG-Libranet: heck no |
| 05:26:08 | sig | W|GG-Libranet: no, it plays other crap |
| 05:26:21 | sig | dude my webcam is grabbing video0 which is tv |
| 05:26:36 | sig | how do i run a program and specify a diff vidoe# ? |
| 05:26:46 | sig | gnomemeeting -c /dev/video2 ? |
| 05:27:20 | sig | wow, that gave me a nice segfault |
| 05:27:21 | sig | fuck |
| 05:28:05 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:28:27 | jmhodges | has too many devices and gadgets that he wants to buy.. |
| 05:28:29 | sig | how do i tell it to run on a diff /dev/video#? |
| 05:28:31 | sig | anyone konw? |
| 05:29:51 | jmhodges | sorry |
| 05:33:24 | W|GG-Libranet | apt-getting gnomemeeting |
| 05:39:25 | sig | W|GG-Libranet: I'm having some troubles |
| 05:39:29 | sig | I'm trying to figure it out |
| 05:39:35 | W|GG-Libranet | is there a readme? |
| 05:39:51 | sig | it isn't grabbing an image, instead it is grabbing my tvcard shit and tv is coming out |
| 05:39:57 | sig | one sec |
| 05:40:14 | W|GG-Libranet | i can't even grab my tv card |
| 05:40:17 | W|GG-Libranet | nada |
| 05:40:20 | sig | whynot? |
| 05:40:30 | sig | can you with xawtv? |
| 05:42:17 | W|GG-Libranet | no |
| 05:42:36 | W|GG-Libranet | This is xawtv-3.72, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.3) |
| 05:42:37 | W|GG-Libranet | can't open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 05:42:37 | W|GG-Libranet | v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway |
| 05:42:37 | W|GG-Libranet | v4l2: open /dev/video0: Permission denied |
| 05:42:37 | W|GG-Libranet | v4l: open /dev/video0: Permission denied |
| 05:42:37 | W|GG-Libranet | no video grabber device available |
| 05:42:45 | sig | hmm |
| 05:42:50 | sig | try video1 |
| 05:42:56 | sig | xawtv -c /dev/video1 |
| 05:43:04 | sig | or just /dev/video |
| 05:44:43 | W|GG-Libranet | not working |
| 05:44:54 | sig | hmm |
| 05:45:00 | W|GG-Libranet | This is xawtv-3.72, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.3) |
| 05:45:00 | W|GG-Libranet | can't open /dev/video: No such device |
| 05:45:11 | sig | ls /dev/video |
| 05:45:36 | W|GG-Libranet | ron@libranet:~$ ls -l /dev/video |
| 05:45:36 | W|GG-Libranet | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jul 30 01:46 /dev/video -> video0 |
| 05:45:47 | sig | hmm |
| 05:45:48 | sig | try this |
| 05:45:58 | sig | ln -s /dev/video /dev/video1 |
| 05:46:05 | sig | then run xawtv |
| 05:46:16 | sig | do you have a tvcard? |
| 05:46:25 | W|GG-Libranet | yeah |
| 05:46:26 | W|GG-Libranet | ati |
| 05:46:34 | sig | see if that helped |
| 05:46:39 | sig | have you ever had it working? |
| 05:47:04 | Xentac | anyone played with scummvm on the zaurus? |
| 05:47:15 | sig | Xentac: nope |
| 05:47:41 | sig | W|GG-Libranet: http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/gnomemeetingTV.jpg |
| 05:47:53 | sig | I just can't get it to go for the right device |
| 05:48:33 | W|GG-Libranet | libranet:/home/ron# ln -s /dev/video /dev/video1 |
| 05:48:33 | W|GG-Libranet | ln: `/dev/video1': File exists |
| 05:48:41 | W|GG-Libranet | so, it already is linked somewhere? |
| 05:48:49 | sig | hmm |
| 05:48:59 | sig | what does it say when you run 'xawtv' ? |
| 05:49:00 | Xentac | is away: sleeping |
| 05:49:20 | W|GG-Libranet | v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 05:49:20 | W|GG-Libranet | v4l: open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 05:49:20 | W|GG-Libranet | no video grabber device available |
| 05:49:27 | sig | weird |
| 05:51:29 | sig | now I'm pissed |
| 05:51:48 | W|GG-Libranet | doesn't a driver have to show up in lsmod? |
| 05:51:58 | sig | ? |
| 05:52:01 | Wembly | wigg: no |
| 05:52:09 | Wembly | wigg: it can be compiled into the kernel |
| 05:52:13 | Wembly | and it wont show up in lsmod |
| 05:52:34 | W|GG-Libranet | i dont think quickcam modules are compiled in generic kernels |
| 05:53:02 | jmhodges | hmmm... |
| 05:53:14 | jmhodges | anyone know how to make gsview print something out landscaped and .. work! |
| 05:53:15 | sig | I don't think we need anything modprobed |
| 05:53:51 | W|GG-Libranet | most hardware needs a driver loaded, i'd though, unless it was already in the kernel |
| 05:54:05 | W|GG-Libranet | imma check to see if the quickcam driver is loaded into my kernel |
| 05:54:07 | sig | I think it is already in the kernel |
| 05:54:55 | sig | 4.2. What type of camera can I use with GnomeMeeting? |
| 05:54:55 | sig | Every camera supported by the Linux kernel and compatible with the Video4Linux API (Philips webcams, Creative webcams, and many others...) |
| 05:55:15 | sig | I got a creative |
| 05:55:21 | sig | but it won't fuckin grab |
| 05:55:25 | W|GG-Libranet | i dont think logitech is supported by V4L |
| 05:55:32 | sig | I'm sure it is |
| 05:55:55 | sig | do you have gphone? |
| 05:55:59 | W|GG-Libranet | no |
| 05:56:00 | sig | have you ever used gphone |
| 05:56:02 | sig | it is sweet |
| 05:56:03 | W|GG-Libranet | no |
| 05:56:06 | sig | real easy to use |
| 05:56:29 | sig | do you have a mic? |
| 05:56:34 | sig | and speakers? |
| 06:10:18 | sig | I'm going to bed |
| 06:10:27 | sig | I'll figure it out tomrrow |
| 06:10:32 | jmhodges | good idea |
| 06:10:37 | sig | :) |
| 06:42:15 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 06:42:25 | Wembly | *really wish he knew why his systems usb was so unstable* |
| 06:42:38 | Wembly | *might be right back might crash* |
| 06:46:52 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 06:47:01 | W|GG-Libranet | is away: I'm busy |
| 07:08:25 | DaWorm | hmmm no one is awake at this hour i guess |
| 07:13:42 | Jerakeen | I am |
| 07:14:23 | DaWorm | nice, what side of the world are you btw? |
| 07:14:41 | Jerakeen | lonodn |
| 07:15:00 | DaWorm | macau here |
| 07:15:52 | Jerakeen | too early for good typing. |
| 07:16:13 | DaWorm | figures almost 5pm here |
| 07:16:14 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:37:43 | Wembly | is there a command to turn off the lcd display while the system is still on? |
| 07:40:20 | Wembly | herm. |
| 07:44:52 | DaWorm | turn off the light? |
| 07:45:29 | DaWorm | oh turn off the display itself |
| 07:45:31 | DaWorm | none that I know |
| 07:46:01 | DaWorm | it doesnt even turn off when its plugged anyway |
| 07:46:14 | Wembly | herm. |
| 07:46:29 | Wembly | the SL-5000D what usb product id did it have? |
| 07:46:42 | Wembly | err device id or whatever its called. |
| 07:46:50 | DaWorm | i have a 5500 |
| 07:46:57 | Wembly | like 40DD:8004 |
| 07:47:04 | Wembly | does the 5000D have a diff last #? |
| 07:47:26 | DaWorm | i really don't know..i just started playing around with the zaurus for 2 weeks only |
| 07:52:51 | Wembly | herm. |
| 07:52:51 | Wembly | nm |
| 07:52:55 | Wembly | i got the answer i needed hehe |
| 07:53:28 | DaWorm | is it a developer thing? |
| 07:53:35 | DaWorm | i'm not really good at hardware stuff |
| 08:24:44 | msmax | Hi Cloud |
| 08:31:47 | DaWorm | hey |
| 08:38:13 | Wembly | herm. |
| 08:38:20 | Wembly | daworm: yea kinda |
| 10:38:23 | Speedy2 | re |
| 10:48:09 | scanline | wb Speedy2 |
| 10:56:37 | Speedy2 | Hey scanline |
| 10:59:11 | Speedy2 | takes a deep breath |
| 10:59:16 | Speedy2 | Let's see if this code compiles |
| 11:00:52 | Speedy2 | hrm 150 warnings |
| 11:00:52 | Speedy2 | whee |
| 11:06:52 | Wembly | hihi |
| 11:07:16 | Wembly | is back. urg! [SZoff] |
| 11:12:10 | djk | Anybody have suggestions on 128 MB or 256 MB SD card? I had a SanDisk and encountered the problems everybody did. |
| 11:14:14 | Wembly | whats wrong with sandisk? |
| 11:14:28 | Speedy2 | Some incompatability apparently. |
| 11:24:30 | Wembly | hehe |
| 11:24:33 | Wembly | im guessing that :) |
| 11:29:00 | numatrix | It's a little more expensive, but I'm planning on getting the toshiba 128 for its low power consumption. |
| 11:29:23 | numatrix | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=229&manufactory=1378&DEPA=1 |
| 11:35:23 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 11:41:20 | djk | Sharp actually recommend the toshiba I just have not found a retailer to carries it and would be easy to deal with it proves to be troublesome. |
| 11:41:29 | djk | Thank you for the feed back |
| 11:53:27 | tgall_foo | *yawn* |
| 11:53:42 | pdq | me too |
| 11:54:09 | pdq | just brewing some tea to get me through the afternoon |
| 11:56:31 | djk | pdq: tea? not a nice high voltage energy drink ;-) |
| 11:58:39 | pdq | Nah, too weather is too hot for real work anyway |
| 12:04:06 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 12:04:18 | benmeyer | Any big news sense Friday |
| 12:04:27 | benmeyer | Been at the in-laws....weee |
| 12:08:57 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:09:05 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 12:11:03 | ljp_ | boo! |
| 12:11:32 | pdq | benmeyer: do you know anything about the GSM/GPRS CF card that Sharp is advertising in europe? |
| 12:14:49 | benmeyer | nope, sorry |
| 12:15:15 | tgall_foo | hmmm what time it is in Australia right now |
| 12:22:11 | noidd | sends his company to the little office in the sky :-) |
| 12:22:20 | noidd | RIP Aztek Networking Ltd |
| 12:23:10 | noidd | benmayer: yeah, Sharp got permission to release the sources to the SD drivers... We're just waiting for you to post the sources up to the website :-) |
| 12:23:22 | noidd | so... URL when you're ready :-D |
| 12:24:14 | noidd | <benmeyer> http://www.myzaurus.com/sources/do_I_look_that_stupid.tar.gz |
| 12:24:15 | noidd | :-) |
| 12:26:06 | tgall_foo | noidd: who owns the IP on SD anyway? |
| 12:26:35 | benmeyer | the sd group |
| 12:26:43 | tgall_foo | consortium? |
| 12:26:56 | benmeyer | ya |
| 12:27:02 | tgall_foo | who are the members? |
| 12:27:07 | tgall_foo | IBM in it? |
| 12:32:05 | noidd | tgall_foo: the SD assosiation |
| 12:32:15 | noidd | or whatever they call themselves |
| 12:32:21 | tgall_foo | yup just found it |
| 12:32:23 | tgall_foo | sdcard.org |
| 12:32:29 | noidd | its only a matter of time before SD becomes the new css |
| 12:32:56 | tgall_foo | looks like a "cartel" like setup ... join the group you get the secrets but can't share them with anyone... probably even get to learn a secret handshake |
| 12:32:57 | noidd | something I dont understand |
| 12:33:15 | tgall_foo | have to take a look at the IP document |
| 12:33:23 | noidd | that is - I can use my sd card under linux with no drivers.. its just a pcmcia adapter (passive) |
| 12:33:31 | noidd | so where is the copy prtection? |
| 12:33:38 | noidd | and why cant we do the same with the Z? |
| 12:33:46 | tgall_foo | don't know |
| 12:33:53 | tgall_foo | there's some mojo involved |
| 12:34:06 | noidd | do we know the name of the chip that sharp uses to interface? |
| 12:34:29 | Speedy2 | SD is not hard to interface to |
| 12:34:36 | Speedy2 | Sharp is using a simple SPI interface |
| 12:34:40 | Speedy2 | It's quite trivial. |
| 12:35:36 | Speedy2 | Why am I getting blocked on this semaphore? hrm. |
| 12:35:37 | noidd | Speedy2: so why dont we have an open source driver for it :-) |
| 12:35:56 | Speedy2 | noidd: Beats me. |
| 12:41:23 | noidd | there has to be more to it than that |
| 12:41:29 | rikkus | hi |
| 12:41:41 | noidd | sends kergoth a sandisk 512 Meg SD card through the mail |
| 12:41:49 | rikkus | just got his Z today, quite impressed so far |
| 12:41:50 | noidd | :-) |
| 12:42:16 | noidd | give our resident kernel guru an itch :-) |
| 12:42:17 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 12:42:21 | noidd | to scratch |
| 12:42:26 | noidd | Hey JasonNJ, hows things? |
| 12:42:57 | JasonNJ | eh, not bad. |
| 12:45:36 | noidd | good, not bad is better than the alternative |
| 12:46:14 | noidd | JasonNJ: any movement from the infinite number of monkeys, on infinite number of compilers, produceing a new SD driver? :-) |
| 12:47:25 | noidd | feels his skin crawl... I just summoned a lawyer |
| 12:47:36 | Wembly | wha? |
| 12:47:41 | Wembly | how'd you manage that? |
| 12:47:49 | Wembly | please oh please tell me you know the unsummon spell? |
| 12:47:57 | noidd | hehe |
| 12:48:04 | tgall_foo | simple ... dismiss them with the words "Pro Bono" |
| 12:48:05 | noidd | yeah, let the credit card bounce :-) |
| 12:48:09 | noidd | haha |
| 12:48:48 | noidd | I have my immigration interview for the US in a month or so |
| 12:49:00 | noidd | and, erm... I probably qualify under more than one of the "exclusions" |
| 12:49:50 | noidd | depends on your definitions of certain words as to whether I would come under them or not |
| 12:50:25 | noidd | "that depends on what your definition of the word 'is' is" |
| 12:50:56 | darienm | benmeyer: question |
| 12:52:55 | Wembly | omg |
| 12:53:22 | Wembly | i think i might actually be done hacking at CDC descriptor decodeing in lsusb... |
| 12:53:31 | Wembly | well done... 'relatively' speaking. |
| 12:54:18 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 12:54:26 | tgall_foo | hmmm think it's possible in the Z .mk files to do something like: be able to execute a command that sets a var ? |
| 12:56:43 | Wembly | ? |
| 12:56:46 | Wembly | sets a var? |
| 12:58:35 | tgall_foo | yeah |
| 12:59:05 | tgall_foo | so like right now all the version numbers are hardcoded |
| 12:59:12 | | i heard wwwoffle was available at http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ or available in ipk at http://hrabbey.webhop.net/Projects/Deb2Ipks/ |
| 12:59:12 | darienm | ibot wwwoffle |
| 12:59:19 | tgall_foo | be nice to retrieve those |
| 13:00:43 | tgall_foo | I'm sure kergoth would know the magic |
| 13:01:19 | Speedy2 | f'ing gcc...you'd expect it to tell you if you forgot to send a return value |
| 13:01:26 | tgall_foo | course not |
| 13:01:36 | tgall_foo | gotta use your jedi c skills for that |
| 13:03:06 | sjohnson | is away: phone call |
| 13:03:24 | Speedy2 | uh-oh |
| 13:03:27 | Speedy2 | It's going nuts |
| 13:03:56 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:06:06 | tgall_foo | morning |
| 13:06:10 | tgall_foo | Speedy2: kick it |
| 13:07:26 | | darienm: huh? |
| 13:07:26 | darienm | ibot seek erikd |
| 13:07:32 | | erikd was last seen on #zaurus 17 hours, 8 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: this is great [Mon Jul 29 20:58:59 2002] |
| 13:07:32 | darienm | ibot seen erikd |
| 13:15:02 | Wembly | heres a stupid question. |
| 13:15:22 | Wembly | anyone know a good way to produce a good patch? |
| 13:15:25 | Wembly | err nm. |
| 13:15:39 | prpplague | Wembly: hmm, the diff command? |
| 13:16:12 | ljp_ | diff -u |
| 13:16:18 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:13:12) |
| 13:16:36 | scanline | is back (gone 00:22:17) |
| 13:16:53 | prpplague | Wembly: actually there is a really nice section in the blob readme about creating patches and diffs |
| 13:22:12 | ljp_ | blob? |
| 13:24:08 | BigBoss | blog maybe? |
| 13:35:12 | Wembly | herm. |
| 13:35:22 | Wembly | there. |
| 13:36:49 | Wembly | emailed author of lsusb told em about usb.ids 04dd:8004 vend/device id only having the 5000D on it. told em the 5500 also shares that device id.. then wrote some CDC hashing functions so it can now parse the CDC descriptors. :P |
| 13:39:22 | noidd | hmm |
| 13:39:35 | noidd | if my usbdnet drops connections after say 4k of data |
| 13:39:48 | noidd | do you think that could be due to CDCether stuff? |
| 13:40:19 | Wembly | noidd: no |
| 13:40:31 | Wembly | noidd: itd be probly cus of the uhci module your useing |
| 13:40:35 | Wembly | try usb-uhci insted of uhci |
| 13:40:45 | Wembly | uhci.o is known to have that problem. |
| 13:40:56 | Wembly | usb-uhci on the other hand dosnt have that problem. |
| 13:41:16 | Wembly | besides CDCEther.o isnt used anymore they replaced it with usbdnet.o |
| 13:41:23 | pdq | that depends on kernel version |
| 13:41:43 | pdq | have to use uhci on 2.4.9, usb-uhci on 2.4.19 |
| 13:41:49 | Wembly | herm. |
| 13:41:51 | Wembly | 2.4.19? |
| 13:41:55 | Wembly | when'd that come out? |
| 13:42:04 | pdq | 2.4.18-rc2-ac2 |
| 13:42:09 | Wembly | ahh |
| 13:42:15 | Wembly | aka not yet but thats what it is huh? :) |
| 13:43:05 | pdq | but really, none on the usbdnet connections are completly stable |
| 13:43:26 | pdq | most are OK, but look at all the errors in the logfiles |
| 13:44:40 | Wembly | errors in the logfiles? |
| 13:44:59 | pdq | yeah, don't you have them? |
| 13:45:15 | Wembly | not that i can tell. |
| 13:45:27 | Wembly | on the host pc right? |
| 13:46:01 | pdq | depending on the combination of kernel version, usb driver etc. |
| 13:46:11 | pdq | sometimes on host, sometimes on zaurus |
| 13:46:46 | pdq | the combination I use know gives a lot of: |
| 13:47:27 | pdq | process transfer: fixed toggle (on host, hundreds of those if I transfer large files by ftp) |
| 13:47:57 | Wembly | herm.. |
| 13:49:34 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 13:49:38 | Wembly | cant say i have that problem. |
| 13:49:44 | Wembly | but i do recognize the msg. |
| 13:51:08 | | kergoth is, like, the wizard of OZ or at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net or needing to have two heads and 4 hands so he can get roms out twice as fast or using bad words |
| 13:51:08 | hunger | ibot kergoth |
| 13:51:13 | pdq | may be depends on host chipset, anyway there must be some bugs lurking otherwise it wouldn't depend so much on kernel version and usb driver |
| 13:51:48 | Wembly | i think it depends more on host chipset and usb driver. |
| 13:51:50 | Wembly | but *shrug* |
| 13:55:45 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 13:56:25 | hunger | kergoth: Hi there! |
| 13:56:46 | hunger | slaps his head. |
| 13:57:06 | hunger | I just tried to reflash my Z and it will just not work. |
| 13:57:19 | kergoth | hey.. |
| 13:57:29 | kergoth | odd |
| 13:57:32 | hunger | After the 10th retry I noticed that I forgot to insert my CF card with the data on it. |
| 13:57:35 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Threads are nuts |
| 13:57:37 | kergoth | aha |
| 13:57:43 | kergoth | Speedy2: arent they though? |
| 13:57:46 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 13:57:50 | kergoth | Speedy2: fun at times though. depends on the mood |
| 13:57:55 | Speedy2 | But, ignoring sleeps are bad |
| 13:58:10 | Speedy2 | It is kind of amusing to watch it go all by itself |
| 13:58:16 | Speedy2 | But... |
| 13:58:22 | Speedy2 | When it no worky. |
| 13:58:43 | kergoth | so where's the flaw? design or implementation? |
| 13:58:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:58:54 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Don't know yet, been fixing issues for awhlie now |
| 13:59:00 | kergoth | ah |
| 13:59:17 | Speedy2 | It's like it ignored this sleep request I put it |
| 13:59:19 | Speedy2 | put in |
| 13:59:21 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: having mixed results with tkcvideo |
| 13:59:21 | hunger | is seeing a chicken/egg problem:-( |
| 13:59:32 | kergoth | hunger: ? |
| 13:59:34 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hey |
| 13:59:38 | Speedy2 | So it releases mutex, SHOULD sleep, but then suddenly gets mutex again |
| 13:59:53 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes the led's |
| 14:00:10 | kergoth | JasonNJ: they dont like me |
| 14:00:19 | hunger | kergoth: I can't upgrade my libc since that breaks busybox. I can't upgrade busybox since it will be build against the new libc. |
| 14:00:28 | kergoth | JasonNJ: on the plus side, the ssp audio driver built into 2.5.x actually makes sound out of the buzzer when i echo blah > /dev/dsp |
| 14:00:35 | scanline | kergoth: hehe.. neither to the programmers at Sharp :) |
| 14:00:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: but it'll take alteration to work properly with the DAC we're using |
| 14:00:46 | Speedy2 | kergoth: For fun, cat randomn file > /dev/dsp |
| 14:00:46 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: what is the problem? |
| 14:00:56 | BigBoss | I'm not using the new rom, and I haven't had a problem |
| 14:01:00 | kergoth | hunger: hah.. i told you to staticly link! |
| 14:01:04 | JasonNJ | the 3 videos I have been testing with it crash the unit |
| 14:01:08 | kergoth | hunger: :-P |
| 14:01:14 | JasonNJ | all divx or mpeg4 |
| 14:01:25 | JasonNJ | the meg-1's i have no problem with |
| 14:01:30 | JasonNJ | er mpeg1 |
| 14:01:56 | JasonNJ | you want me to email them to you or put them up for ftp? |
| 14:02:03 | hunger | kergoth: I tried to build static. But I'm obviously too stupid. |
| 14:02:20 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: yes, please put them where I can check them |
| 14:02:24 | JasonNJ | ok |
| 14:02:28 | JasonNJ | gimme a few mins |
| 14:02:43 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 14:02:44 | kergoth | hunger: ah.. i seem to recall busybox being odd when it came to that for some reason.. i did try once. |
| 14:04:42 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Check /msg |
| 14:11:06 | Wembly | is back. What was going on ? [SZoff] |
| 14:13:45 | kergoth | hey roge99 |
| 14:14:08 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth hows things |
| 14:14:26 | kergoth | not bad, trying to beat the kernel into submission, but i'm afraid its the other way around |
| 14:14:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:14:29 | kergoth | you? |
| 14:14:34 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 14:14:50 | roge99_laptop | not much .... out at a client looken over their stuff |
| 14:15:12 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 14:15:21 | roge99_laptop | nice toys here |
| 14:15:41 | roge99_laptop | 28 processer O2000 |
| 14:15:48 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 14:16:58 | hunger | kergoth: tar is my friend:-) |
| 14:17:23 | hunger | kergoth: I put libc6 and busybox's data.tar.gz into one and used tar to 'install' that. |
| 14:17:35 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: http://www.zauruszone.com/files/tkctest.zip |
| 14:17:39 | hunger | kergoth: Now I am a step further. |
| 14:17:45 | JasonNJ | I put a few divx and mpeg4s in there |
| 14:17:55 | JasonNJ | they either crash the unit or dont work at all |
| 14:17:57 | hunger | kergoth: Now the apps start, but stop imediently with a bus error. |
| 14:18:31 | JasonNJ | mind you I played them from my SD card |
| 14:22:43 | VerxWork | hello everyone |
| 14:23:08 | BigBoss | jason: thanks |
| 14:23:38 | BigBoss | hey Verx |
| 14:23:46 | VerxWork | man, I have to say, ScummVM sure tells you what these devices are capable of! |
| 14:23:47 | VerxWork | :) |
| 14:23:50 | BigBoss | Verx: we will probably release ToDo tomorrow (I hope) |
| 14:23:57 | VerxWork | Shawn: Coool! |
| 14:23:57 | angry | elloh |
| 14:24:04 | VerxWork | Shawn: It is looking awesome |
| 14:24:19 | hunger | Anybody knows what a 'bus error' is and what could cause it? |
| 14:24:30 | BigBoss | hunger: in what context are you gettin it? |
| 14:24:40 | VerxWork | hunger: In my experience, typically a bad package install |
| 14:24:44 | VerxWork | or a library problem |
| 14:24:45 | hunger | BigBoss: Running any busybox app. |
| 14:24:57 | treke | VerxWork: yeah, it's capable of playing 486 era games :) |
| 14:24:58 | SmBJ_ | grr |
| 14:24:59 | SmBJ_ | damn dialup |
| 14:25:06 | BigBoss | agrees with Verx |
| 14:25:06 | angry | BigBoss - tkcVideo came out today? |
| 14:25:13 | Nadav | ooh, is it out? |
| 14:25:23 | BigBoss | angry: it's on Handango right now, just waiting for our web site to get updated a bit later today |
| 14:25:27 | VerxWork | treke: Well, these games (to me anyway) look a LOT better visually (speed, etc) than others I have seen |
| 14:25:29 | VerxWork | for the Z |
| 14:25:32 | hunger | BigBoss, VerxWork: Probably both:-) |
| 14:25:48 | George- | heya |
| 14:25:48 | treke | VerxWork: hehe :) Having pricy artists work on the art helps :) |
| 14:25:56 | Nadav | meow george |
| 14:26:00 | VerxWork | treke: No denying that! |
| 14:26:08 | VerxWork | mainly though, I was talking about speed |
| 14:26:10 | angry | treke: what games? |
| 14:26:17 | VerxWork | the scummvm remind me a TON of flash |
| 14:26:18 | kergoth | hunger: bus error? ack. alignement issues eh |
| 14:26:19 | hunger | BigBoss: VerxWork: Any idea what a bus error is supposed to mean? Some bits running into each other over at PCMCIA or what? |
| 14:26:21 | treke | angry: Fate of Atlantis specficiall |
| 14:26:30 | VerxWork | and, yes I realize it predates flash by many years |
| 14:26:39 | VerxWork | but I would bet money they use the very same principles |
| 14:26:41 | kergoth | hunger: course with a HUGE sacrifice in speed you can echo a value out to proc to force it to trap the alignment error and correct it.. |
| 14:26:46 | kergoth | hunger: but at least you could run the apps |
| 14:27:03 | hunger | kergoth: How so? |
| 14:27:03 | angry | treke: where can i find that |
| 14:27:05 | kergoth | hunger: alignment error .. you must access memory word aligned. |
| 14:27:06 | treke | flash is vector graphics right? |
| 14:27:15 | kergoth | hunger: here.. ive got a doc on this.. |
| 14:27:16 | treke | angry: lucasarts.com and scummvm.sf.net |
| 14:27:37 | hunger | kergoth: Could that be caused by wrong -mapcs? |
| 14:28:03 | | mdz was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 1 hours, 25 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: (and you need to seed the prng first) [Mon Jul 29 14:02:24 2002] |
| 14:28:03 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz |
| 14:28:07 | | mdz_ was last seen on #zaurus 12 hours, 37 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: he won't play along [Tue Jul 30 02:50:13 2002] |
| 14:28:07 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz_ |
| 14:28:08 | kergoth | hunger: not certain.. i'm no expert on this |
| 14:28:21 | kergoth | hunger: your 2.4.6 arm kernel tree.. read Documentation/arm/mem_alignment |
| 14:28:32 | hunger | kergoth: Thanks! |
| 14:28:50 | warmi | hi |
| 14:29:19 | VerxWork | howdy |
| 14:29:37 | VerxWork | treke, you still there? |
| 14:29:39 | treke | yeah |
| 14:29:49 | treke | I'll b here for the next 8 hours :) |
| 14:29:49 | VerxWork | did you do any work on opie-addressbook? |
| 14:29:52 | treke | nope |
| 14:29:55 | VerxWork | treke: heheh, same here |
| 14:30:24 | VerxWork | I guess I need to find zecke |
| 14:30:29 | VerxWork | or tux_mike |
| 14:31:39 | kergoth | hunger: np |
| 14:31:42 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 14:31:42 | treke | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.27339.png <-- wft? not full screen? |
| 14:32:22 | treke | VerxWork: is it not full screen for you? |
| 14:32:39 | angry | you can do opie sideways?? |
| 14:32:41 | VerxWork | treke: Yeah, is it fullscreen for you? |
| 14:32:45 | VerxWork | angry: Yup |
| 14:32:50 | treke | it was when I tried it |
| 14:32:57 | treke | that means I might be able to save :) |
| 14:33:20 | VerxWork | treke: PLEASE give me your commandline for scummvm |
| 14:33:30 | VerxWork | I even passed it the -f parameter and it STILL didn't go fs |
| 14:33:41 | VerxWork | treke: Do you remember where you got your SDLlib? |
| 14:33:44 | treke | uhm, It defaulted to full screen |
| 14:33:48 | treke | VerxWork: SDL cvs |
| 14:33:57 | VerxWork | treke: heh, figures |
| 14:34:10 | VerxWork | treke: Did you make an ipk? |
| 14:35:31 | treke | nah, just copie the library over NeoTron's ipkg |
| 14:37:18 | treke | VerxWork: Its really easy to build, bug me a little later about it |
| 14:37:34 | VerxWork | treke: I will try building it myself |
| 14:37:39 | VerxWork | just need to find where the CVS is |
| 14:37:43 | treke | full screen probably wont do much |
| 14:37:45 | treke | libsdl.org |
| 14:37:51 | VerxWork | heh, that's easy enough |
| 14:37:58 | VerxWork | treke: What do you mean, it probably wont do much? |
| 14:38:34 | treke | VerxWork: Non full screen is probably the native resolution for the game. Full screen would just hide the tabs and task bar. |
| 14:41:20 | prpplague | damit, honduras is down again..... |
| 14:42:36 | angry | leaving for today |
| 14:42:40 | angry | be back tonight |
| 14:42:40 | angry | later |
| 14:47:08 | noidd | I am so pissed off |
| 14:47:39 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 14:47:51 | noidd | I had this SD card working on my laptop once, now it doens't matter what options I compile in, out sideways, version of pcmcia-cs etc... it just wont work anymore :-( |
| 14:49:55 | sjohnson | noidd: Can you using fdisk to look at the the SD cards? |
| 14:50:30 | noidd | sjohnson: I used to be able to - yes |
| 14:50:39 | noidd | it had one partition, sde1 |
| 14:50:55 | noidd | because I have used it once - I *know* it works |
| 14:51:02 | noidd | that is what is so damn frustrating :-( |
| 14:51:34 | noidd | I bought a rather cute "Multi Memory, PC Card, Reader / Writer" |
| 14:51:48 | noidd | made by a company called "sitecom" |
| 14:51:58 | noidd | I bought it because it came with no drivers |
| 14:52:03 | noidd | no drivers = generic :-) |
| 14:52:08 | sjohnson | noidd: You might need to unplug the reader and plugin it in again. |
| 14:52:22 | noidd | sjohnson: I tried all that |
| 14:52:40 | noidd | its wierd, if I use the kernel drivers, cardmgr hard crashes the kernel (no sysrq) |
| 14:52:56 | sjohnson | Weird. |
| 14:52:56 | noidd | if I disable it in kernel, then use the pcmcia-cs kernel modules... |
| 14:53:09 | kergoth | hates the pcmcia subsystem |
| 14:53:16 | noidd | then it is recognised as a memory card in one slot and a ide card in the other |
| 14:53:41 | noidd | literally, I can swap backwards and forwards - its bizzare |
| 14:53:50 | noidd | then.. just to add insult to injury |
| 14:54:01 | noidd | it tries to modprobe ide-cs |
| 14:54:03 | noidd | or ide_cs |
| 14:54:09 | noidd | the name of the driver changed |
| 14:54:36 | noidd | and even after global replacing the names in all the files, recompiling etc etc.. it still doens't work |
| 14:54:45 | noidd | sighs and hits his head against a blunt object |
| 14:55:01 | pdq | bye |
| 14:56:20 | whardier | werd |
| 14:57:26 | kergoth | hey wh |
| 14:57:27 | kergoth | hey whardier |
| 14:57:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:57:31 | kergoth | er |
| 14:57:34 | kergoth | odd |
| 14:57:59 | whardier | I really hjate stale nfs mounts |
| 14:58:11 | whardier | the fact that the easiest way out of them is a reboot |
| 14:58:20 | noidd | ok, testing pcmcia |
| 14:58:22 | Wintre | Hate all of NFS |
| 14:58:25 | noidd | I may hang and die |
| 14:58:49 | whardier | hangs and dies |
| 15:00:34 | kergoth | adds support for locomo and scoop into the user space utility for manipulating sa11x0 registers |
| 15:02:41 | Speedy2 | re |
| 15:02:55 | kergoth | re |
| 15:03:01 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 15:03:07 | Speedy2 | Found another dumb mistake |
| 15:03:12 | kergoth | Speedy2: I found a nifty utility to manipulate the sa11x0 registers from a command line util from user space |
| 15:03:22 | kergoth | well good, getting closer to it working then |
| 15:03:25 | noidd | haha |
| 15:03:36 | noidd | erm, it worked :-D |
| 15:03:40 | kergoth | noidd: hah, nice |
| 15:03:50 | kergoth | noidd: i think its because whardier hung and died |
| 15:03:58 | noidd | must be :-) |
| 15:04:00 | noidd | look! |
| 15:04:14 | noidd | citalopram root # fdisk /dev/hde |
| 15:04:20 | noidd | Disk /dev/hde: 16 heads, 32 sectors, 965 cylinders |
| 15:04:20 | noidd | Units = cylinders of 512 * 512 bytes |
| 15:04:20 | noidd | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 15:04:20 | noidd | /dev/hde1 1 965 246989+ 6 FAT16 |
| 15:04:35 | noidd | one sandisk 256M SD card |
| 15:04:48 | sjohnson | is jealous of noidd |
| 15:04:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:05:17 | noidd | both read and write works fine |
| 15:05:23 | noidd | so, nfs mount that onto the Z |
| 15:05:26 | kergoth | Speedy2: I'm adding locomo support to the register manipuation app so i can turn the leds on and off easily from user space, lacking the sharp_led character device. heheh |
| 15:05:35 | prpplague | sjohnson: its not the size of your flash its how you use it :) |
| 15:05:35 | noidd | use that to install apps the "native" way |
| 15:05:42 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Excellent. My threads are still getting fubared |
| 15:05:42 | noidd | then mount it read only on the Z |
| 15:05:43 | sjohnson | prpplague: LOL!!!! |
| 15:05:50 | noidd | and treat it as a very large ROM filesystem |
| 15:05:59 | kergoth | Speedy2: fun fun |
| 15:06:27 | noidd | see, now I have to add the usbdnet patch |
| 15:06:38 | noidd | and you can guarantee - when I do that - the pcmcia will stop working |
| 15:06:46 | noidd | cos thats just the way things happen around here :-( |
| 15:06:58 | Speedy2 | It's amazing how many responses you get on a newsgroup when you post something For Free |
| 15:10:40 | | benmeyer: what? |
| 15:10:40 | benmeyer | ibot botmail help |
| 15:10:58 | mdz | prpplague: looking for me? |
| 15:12:48 | darienm | benmeyer: when you run processmanager, and then look at the results, do you see what I see? |
| 15:12:57 | darienm | benmeyer: I see processmanager eating up 7+ MB of ram. |
| 15:14:31 | darienm | benmeyer: one more question, tab manager 1.3 -- old source code or new source code? |
| 15:17:02 | prpplague | mdz: ya, what version of matchbox are you using? |
| 15:17:26 | mdz | let me ssh into the thing and see |
| 15:17:35 | mdz | ii matchbox 0.1.8-2 A X11 Window manager for handheld devices |
| 15:17:53 | noidd | port enlightenment :-D |
| 15:18:11 | noidd | I really wish that somewhere there were refferences to evas on handhelds |
| 15:18:17 | noidd | alas, no signs anywhere |
| 15:18:24 | kergoth | noidd: evas2 supports rendering direct to FB |
| 15:18:32 | kergoth | noidd: SPLIT branch of enlightenment cvs |
| 15:18:38 | noidd | bingo! |
| 15:18:41 | kergoth | noidd: README also contains a ./configure to use to building for the ipaq. |
| 15:18:42 | prpplague | mdz: ahh, i got 2.1 running last night, and mallum just fixed the issue with the cvs version |
| 15:18:45 | tgall_foo | enlightenment on a z?!?! |
| 15:18:46 | kergoth | noidd: it'll work on the Z. |
| 15:18:49 | noidd | :-D |
| 15:18:50 | kergoth | tgall_foo: hah, no.. just evas |
| 15:18:51 | prpplague | mdz: so i should have that running tonight |
| 15:18:56 | kergoth | noidd: let me know how it goes, its on my todo list |
| 15:18:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:19:31 | noidd | wonders if he could write perl modules for evas2 under FB on the Z before midnight tonight (midnight being the deadline for paper at conference) |
| 15:19:44 | noidd | something probably tells me the answer is no :-) |
| 15:19:46 | treke | well there was a "port" of enlightenment to the ipaq :) |
| 15:19:53 | noidd | kergoth: I gave up on Qt.pm |
| 15:20:04 | noidd | the project is dead. gone. splut. |
| 15:20:22 | noidd | it is an ex-project |
| 15:20:23 | kergoth | noidd: ah thats too bad |
| 15:20:29 | noidd | yeah, it is. |
| 15:20:49 | kergoth | noidd: rasterman just committed windows ce rendering support for evas2 today |
| 15:20:55 | kergoth | noidd; nifty. |
| 15:21:14 | noidd | problem with evasfb and gtkfb etc etc etc is that they cant co-exists with each other and qtopia |
| 15:21:37 | VerxWork | kergoth: What does that mean? His code runs on Windows CE? |
| 15:22:20 | noidd | right - need to check out the enlightement split tree |
| 15:22:24 | noidd | where the hell is that |
| 15:22:32 | noidd | fumbles around on sourceforge |
| 15:22:35 | treke | VerxWork: right |
| 15:22:49 | VerxWork | that is just wrong |
| 15:22:52 | kergoth | noidd: cvs -d[cvsroot for E] co -r SPLIT e/libs/evas2; iirc |
| 15:23:03 | kergoth | VerxWork: how is that wrong? SDL supports windows ce, doesnt it? |
| 15:23:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:23:10 | noidd | well, lets give it a go! |
| 15:23:22 | kergoth | noidd: :-) i got it built, but never had a chance to try it out |
| 15:23:31 | noidd | shame on you :-) |
| 15:23:39 | noidd | hehe |
| 15:24:03 | kergoth | no timeee |
| 15:24:13 | Speedy2 | Sugar: make me some crazy |
| 15:24:25 | noidd | time is an illusion :-) |
| 15:24:29 | noidd | ask my project manager |
| 15:24:37 | Speedy2 | It's related to gravity |
| 15:25:48 | noidd | Right - whoever suggested that I should replace uhci with usb-uhci was absolutely correct |
| 15:25:54 | noidd | thats working tickety boo now :-) |
| 15:25:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:26:07 | kergoth | i'm glad gregkh finally settled on ONE uhci driver in 2.5 |
| 15:26:10 | kergoth | less confusion |
| 15:26:59 | kergoth | aha |
| 15:26:59 | kergoth | sweet |
| 15:27:09 | kergoth | got a login on the lcd display finally |
| 15:27:24 | kergoth | course i havent put the keyboard support in yet, so its useless |
| 15:27:25 | kergoth | but fun |
| 15:27:31 | Nadav | Hn |
| 15:27:43 | Nadav | /su/Hn/Hm |
| 15:28:01 | Speedy2 | sigh |
| 15:28:06 | Speedy2 | I wish I had a working soundcard |
| 15:31:29 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 15:31:30 | br33zy | warmi! |
| 15:32:09 | Speedy2 | warmi has been idle 1hr 3mins 14secs, signed on Tue Jul 30 10:34:06 |
| 15:32:10 | darienm | mooo |
| 15:32:17 | whardier | kaljdadfhlkajskjdhkjhkjhasdflkjashdflkjh |
| 15:32:23 | mdz | prpplague: what's new in that version? |
| 15:32:37 | noidd | kergoth: can you give me the location of evas2 again please |
| 15:32:52 | noidd | i'm missing the path |
| 15:33:04 | kergoth | noidd: iirc, its e/libs/evas2 |
| 15:33:09 | kergoth | noidd: browse via webcvs to be sure |
| 15:33:17 | prpplague | mdz: the menu system has been updated and consoldated |
| 15:34:07 | noidd | got it, its e17 - makes sense i guess |
| 15:34:19 | noidd | kergoth: is the Z framebuffer near as damnit to the ipaq ? |
| 15:34:55 | kergoth | noidd: near as damnit? |
| 15:35:07 | kergoth | noidd: yeah itll work fine, though depending on which ipaq it may be rotated |
| 15:36:22 | br33zy | I'm l33t, I moo, and I'm 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 15:36:42 | mdz | prpplague: matchbox has a menu system? :-) |
| 15:37:17 | br33zy | I'm 14l15-315-314-t, I moo, and I'm 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 15:37:34 | br33zy | I'm 14l15-315-314-t0, I moo, and I'm 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 15:37:35 | br33zy | there |
| 15:37:37 | br33zy | sorry about that |
| 15:37:47 | whardier | mmenu |
| 15:37:49 | whardier | its neat |
| 15:37:54 | mdz | prpplague: oh, unstable has 0.3.2, I'll try that when I get home |
| 15:37:56 | whardier | I was playing with it all day yesterday |
| 15:38:16 | whardier | I was gonna add some stuff tho the transparent menu stuff.. |
| 15:38:24 | prpplague | mdz: make sure get a fresh cvs, because mallum just fixed a header option |
| 15:39:56 | mdz | prpplague: what sort of header? compilation problem? |
| 15:40:03 | whardier | I want PS2 Linux |
| 15:42:27 | br33zy | I want xbox linux |
| 15:42:43 | br33zy | http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:42:48 | br33zy | theyve already got it to work once |
| 15:42:51 | br33zy | imagine that |
| 15:43:04 | br33zy | linux replace a stripped down version of win 2000 on xbox |
| 15:43:08 | br33zy | what will microsoft think? |
| 15:43:21 | br33zy | i mean, xbox is a 386 so it can handle it all |
| 15:43:38 | JasonNJ | opie on X box! yay |
| 15:43:43 | br33zy | Yup |
| 15:43:47 | br33zy | there actually doing x11 |
| 15:43:53 | br33zy | but you can go ahead and port opie |
| 15:43:57 | br33zy | check out the site |
| 15:45:14 | | tux_mike was last seen on #zaurus 14 hours, 40 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: hey warmi [Tue Jul 30 02:04:28 2002] |
| 15:45:14 | VerxWork | ibot, seen tux_mike |
| 15:45:23 | VerxWork | heh |
| 15:45:28 | VerxWork | warmi must not have responded |
| 15:45:50 | sjohnson | is away: food run |
| 15:47:32 | VerxWork | tkcAddressbook handles the input method very well, but it has the scrollbars on all the time |
| 15:47:35 | VerxWork | oops |
| 15:48:42 | prpplague | mdz: ya the standalone header was creating a segfault |
| 15:49:41 | prpplague | mdz: i should have some config info and additional info later tonight |
| 15:50:17 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:04:28) |
| 15:52:34 | prpplague | mdz: have you looked at mallum's matchbox page? |
| 15:53:02 | noidd | Hmmm, its a shame there is no such thing as a "virtual|framebuffer |
| 15:53:26 | noidd | so you could have 2 or 3 framebuffer driver thingies... like qtopia, evas, gtkfb |
| 15:53:46 | noidd | and then have some sort of call which would forward the FB data from one to the other to the other |
| 15:54:19 | kergoth | noidd: umm, there is a virtual framebuffer |
| 15:54:23 | kergoth | noidd: dont know anything about it though |
| 15:54:34 | kergoth | noidd: just saw it when i was in menuconfig configuring my kernel |
| 15:54:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:57:31 | sjohnson | Framebuffer is the video screen driver in the kernel. |
| 15:58:24 | kergoth | I know what a framebuffer is. |
| 15:58:37 | prpplague | mdz: ohh and can i ask a couple of things, like, what is the size of your rootfs without any x stuff, and how many fonts are you installing? |
| 15:59:21 | sjohnson | kergoth: <kergoth> noidd: dont know anything about it though |
| 16:00:57 | darienm | NeoTron: ping |
| 16:01:11 | sjohnson | Just ignore me. I'm trying to keep up with too many convercations in cyber and meat space. |
| 16:01:19 | kergoth | sjohnson: I was referring to the virtual framebuffer driver :-) |
| 16:01:19 | kergoth | np |
| 16:02:35 | sjohnson | This time I read the docs. :) |
| 16:03:09 | sjohnson | The virtual framebuffer is just that. A virutal framebuffer. Just a chunk of kernel memory used for testing. |
| 16:03:20 | kergoth | ah thats cool |
| 16:05:00 | Speedy2 | Must...find...problem. |
| 16:06:46 | cdm | it's right under your nose. |
| 16:07:17 | noidd | waves his working 256Meg SD card under everyones noses :-) |
| 16:07:18 | JasonNJ | cdm: you got the QNX gui running yet? |
| 16:07:33 | Speedy2 | cdm: Possibly, or it's a messed up problem, dunno yet. |
| 16:07:39 | noidd | kergoth: I took at look at evas2, the API isn't there enough yet. |
| 16:07:44 | Speedy2 | Two things that should be independant are hosing each other up. |
| 16:07:51 | noidd | I really wish the framebuffer was on evas 1 |
| 16:08:46 | noidd | which has a fully published api etc |
| 16:08:47 | cdm | JasonNJ: no, not yet. I need to work up the courage to dive into the linux code and document the bits I need to code for.... |
| 16:09:04 | noidd | but then again, evas2 is nice and tiny, so better suited i guess |
| 16:09:08 | noidd | we just have to *wait* |
| 16:09:12 | kergoth | noidd: you can do framebuffer on evas. |
| 16:09:25 | noidd | kergoth: on evas 1 ? |
| 16:09:26 | kergoth | noidd: evas1 runs on top of imlib2, and imlib2 has framebuffer rendering support |
| 16:09:46 | noidd | imlib2 has Zaurus compatible framebuffering? |
| 16:10:17 | kergoth | noidd: a framebuffer is a framebuffer. |
| 16:10:24 | kergoth | hey ljp |
| 16:10:31 | ljp_ | hey kergoth |
| 16:11:06 | kergoth | cdm: found a nifty user space util to manipulate sa11x0 registers from user space. I added the locomo and scoop registers .. useful tool |
| 16:11:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:11:33 | noidd | kergoth: is that in the main imlib2 tree, or again in the split? |
| 16:11:37 | cdm | kergoth: Yeah, everything is user space on QNX. ;) |
| 16:11:41 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 16:11:45 | kergoth | cdm: indeed |
| 16:11:54 | kergoth | noidd: stock imlib2 as i understand it |
| 16:12:00 | kergoth | noidd: split is the new evas2 stuff |
| 16:13:02 | noidd | k, looking at that |
| 16:13:12 | ljp_ | kergoth: can you login to opie's pivot? |
| 16:13:27 | kergoth | ljp_: ? |
| 16:13:50 | kergoth | hey [DrEvil] |
| 16:13:56 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 16:14:06 | BigBoss | http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?amp;sectionId=0&catalog=0&jid=CC17D6C7B8647DE5874BXEXX7CE5F821&platformId=9&productId=40245 |
| 16:14:09 | [DrEvil] | I tried the buildroot lastnight |
| 16:15:02 | [DrEvil] | my modem disconnected and the script tried to continue on it's merry way |
| 16:15:04 | ljp_ | kergoth: bipolar handed webmastering of opie.handhelds.org to me.. pivot.. the web log script thing.I noticed you were an admin |
| 16:15:10 | Nadav | BB: sweet |
| 16:15:41 | kergoth | ljp_: ohh yeah. let me check |
| 16:16:02 | darienm | BigBoss: Typo on the first line of description, vide instead of video |
| 16:16:41 | noidd | BigBoss: now I've got my 256M card working - I'm now *REALLY* tempted |
| 16:17:14 | ljp_ | what?! no quicktime?! ;) |
| 16:17:36 | numatrix | BB: You mentioned you were looking into desktop programs to convert to the zaurus screen format; any recomendations? |
| 16:17:44 | numatrix | (for tkcvideo, I mean) |
| 16:18:10 | BigBoss | numatrix: I have to talk to the engineers |
| 16:18:17 | BigBoss | we'll have it up on our site soon |
| 16:18:20 | BigBoss | thanks darienm |
| 16:18:30 | numatrix | Cool. I'm going online to buy a 128mb sd card now. :-) |
| 16:18:39 | noidd | numatrix: get a 512M one :-) |
| 16:18:50 | numatrix | ;-) 512 SD card? Do they even make those? |
| 16:18:59 | noidd | yup - panasonic make them |
| 16:19:06 | numatrix | I know my budget doesn't support them, even if the zaurus might. |
| 16:19:09 | noidd | you need to re-mortgage your soul first tho :-) |
| 16:19:16 | Nadav | BigBoss: thekompany.com not updated yet? |
| 16:19:17 | numatrix | I'd imagine. |
| 16:19:55 | BigBoss | it takes a bit longer to update our site |
| 16:19:56 | numatrix | I'm looking at getting the toshiba 128mb SD card for it's low power usage; anyone have any other suggestions? |
| 16:19:57 | numatrix | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=229&manufactory=1378&DEPA=1 |
| 16:20:14 | BigBoss | tkcVideo does NOT work with SD cards at the moment because of the speed problems with them |
| 16:20:24 | BigBoss | we are going to see if we can make it work somehow though |
| 16:21:13 | numatrix | Hmm, maybe I'll get a smaller SD card then and a bigger CF. |
| 16:21:35 | ljp_ | does a selection of pron videos come with tkcVideo? |
| 16:21:41 | Nadav | BigBoss: and with CF? |
| 16:21:46 | Oriumpor | blah |
| 16:21:51 | Oriumpor | I hate these headphones |
| 16:22:03 | sjohnson | Nadav: You won't have any problem with CF. |
| 16:22:05 | Oriumpor | I keep buying jensen earclips and they keep breaking |
| 16:22:07 | msmax | Nadav: with CF very good |
| 16:22:29 | JasonNJ | Cf works fine |
| 16:22:30 | Nadav | ok |
| 16:22:35 | JasonNJ | I have this great video running on it here |
| 16:22:39 | JasonNJ | Robot Bastard |
| 16:22:43 | JasonNJ | from DivX.com |
| 16:23:01 | prpplague | ljp-: ha that would really get the managment interested...... |
| 16:28:48 | George- | hmm |
| 16:28:51 | George- | attack of the kergoth's |
| 16:29:03 | benmeyer | has anyone tried to get airsnort working on the zaurus? |
| 16:29:41 | BigBoss | ljp: we were going to include complimentary porn, but there was licensing issues :) |
| 16:29:57 | George- | BigBoss: any screenies of tkcRacer yet? |
| 16:30:25 | George- | I got my SD card reader to work on my laptop :) |
| 16:30:25 | benmeyer | what does the c in tkc stand for? |
| 16:30:27 | ljp_ | BB: just go with the Dark Brothers stuff |
| 16:30:30 | benmeyer | theKompany company? |
| 16:32:34 | numatrix | BB: the specs on my SD card say it's capable of 2MB/s. That seems like more than enough. Is it because they can't maintain the speeds, or because the zaurus can't read them at full speed? |
| 16:32:38 | treke | benmeyer: com |
| 16:32:47 | benmeyer | theKompany com? |
| 16:33:08 | benmeyer | numatrix: only 1 datastream is in use |
| 16:33:10 | benmeyer | not all 4 |
| 16:33:17 | benmeyer | (datastream?) |
| 16:33:20 | benmeyer | pipe? |
| 16:33:27 | numatrix | benmeyer: bummer; so the limitation is on the zaurus side... |
| 16:33:35 | benmeyer | yes |
| 16:33:35 | treke | benmeyer: as in theKompany.com |
| 16:33:37 | benmeyer | driver side |
| 16:33:41 | benmeyer | ah |
| 16:33:54 | benmeyer | the name of the company is theKompany.com? |
| 16:34:01 | numatrix | benmeyer: Any ideas if sharp plans to address that or if the OZ rom might eventually? |
| 16:34:02 | benmeyer | wouldn't the website then be theKompany.com.com |
| 16:34:04 | benmeyer | hahaha |
| 16:34:07 | treke | hehe |
| 16:34:23 | benmeyer | sorry don't know |
| 16:34:41 | treke | they refer to themselves as theKompany.com on the site, not sure what the paperwork says :) |
| 16:35:37 | numatrix | BB: does tkcvideo play from the network? |
| 16:35:41 | BigBoss | the 'c' stands for 'com' |
| 16:36:06 | BigBoss | numatrix: you can select a place to open from - not sure exactly about a network |
| 16:36:08 | BigBoss | haven't tried |
| 16:36:22 | Speedy2 | cdm: Well, you were correct, it was something simple (as I suspected). But now I have another weird issue to tackle. |
| 16:36:29 | BigBoss | here is the story - we wanted to incorporate as "The Kompany" but the state said it was to close to another name |
| 16:36:43 | BigBoss | so my attorney tried again as "The Kompany.com" because that was the web site name anyway |
| 16:36:47 | BigBoss | and they took it |
| 16:36:57 | BigBoss | we refer to it internall as "thekompany" |
| 16:37:35 | numatrix | It would be interesting to see if it plays from a nfs mount. |
| 16:38:13 | numatrix | BB: Purchasing from your website is cheaper than handango, right? And you get more of the money? |
| 16:38:34 | numatrix | is trying to decide whether to wait until he can purchase it directly off of tkc |
| 16:38:41 | HomerG | May I ask, is there a site that explains how to connect the Zaurus to a Linux box? |
| 16:38:50 | BigBoss | numatrix: right |
| 16:38:56 | | it has been said that usb is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 16:38:56 | numatrix | ibot: usb |
| 16:38:58 | BigBoss | numatrix: just wait a bit |
| 16:39:00 | numatrix | HomerG: check that link out |
| 16:39:25 | HomerG | Thank you |
| 16:39:26 | numatrix | BB: I'll be patient. I don't even have a large CF or SD card yet, so it would only be to play with. |
| 16:39:30 | numatrix | HomerG: you're welcome. |
| 16:39:41 | darienm | benmeyer: did you see my questions earlier? |
| 16:40:19 | darienm | BigBoss: may I make a suggestion? |
| 16:41:02 | benmeyer | nope, missed it |
| 16:41:03 | darienm | BigBoss: while The Matrix is a helluva cool movie, it has a faded green cast to it for all of the 'in the matrix' scenes. You might want to show tkcVideo with a more colorful (rich, saturated color) movie image. |
| 16:41:04 | benmeyer | what was it |
| 16:41:11 | darienm | benmeyer: when you run processmanager, and then look at the results, do you see what I see? |
| 16:41:15 | darienm | benmeyer: I see processmanager eating up 7+ MB of ram. |
| 16:41:18 | darienm | benmeyer: one more question, tab manager 1.3 -- old source code or new source code? |
| 16:41:20 | benmeyer | my my |
| 16:41:29 | benmeyer | 1.3 is the latest |
| 16:41:30 | JasonNJ | this is a pretty wacked divx movie.. attack of the killer coffee bean |
| 16:41:46 | benmeyer | didn't relize it took up so much memory |
| 16:41:46 | BigBoss | darienm: yea, I was thinking about that |
| 16:41:49 | benmeyer | leak? |
| 16:41:51 | darienm | JasonNJ: Do you mean Killer Bean 2 ? |
| 16:41:55 | BigBoss | part of the problem is some of the screenshots are funky |
| 16:41:56 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 16:42:03 | JasonNJ | watching it on my zaurus now |
| 16:42:03 | BigBoss | ok, it will be on our site in about 3 or 4 hours |
| 16:42:08 | darienm | benmeyer: so you DO see that as well, regarding the memory? |
| 16:42:14 | JasonNJ | with tkcmovies |
| 16:42:15 | benmeyer | nope, didn't look |
| 16:42:16 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:42:20 | numatrix | JasonNJ: Killer Bean rocks the house. |
| 16:42:28 | numatrix | JasonNJ: I had him as my background for quite a while. |
| 16:42:33 | Harlekin | huhu |
| 16:42:34 | darienm | benmeyer: and 1.3, is that new source, recently written? |
| 16:42:42 | numatrix | http://www.jefflew.com/ |
| 16:42:48 | benmeyer | yes |
| 16:42:49 | benmeyer | friday |
| 16:42:53 | benmeyer | 1 line fix |
| 16:42:54 | darienm | benmeyer: excellent |
| 16:43:15 | JasonNJ | its a total goof on The Matrix |
| 16:43:58 | benmeyer | only 4mb resident here |
| 16:44:03 | benmeyer | the 10 includes qt |
| 16:44:04 | benmeyer | etc |
| 16:44:12 | benmeyer | 3620k |
| 16:45:05 | benmeyer | about the same size as datebook |
| 16:45:09 | benmeyer | and address book |
| 16:45:13 | benmeyer | and todolist |
| 16:45:37 | darienm | benmeyer: okay, I'll study it again. I was surprised to see it (seemingly) eat up so much ram. |
| 16:46:05 | darienm | JasonNJ: Actually, production on killer bean began way before the matrix. |
| 16:46:22 | darienm | JasonNJ: its much more of a goof on Face Off, with Nick Cage's dual gold-plated pistols |
| 16:46:40 | darienm | JasonNJ: and with the way Travolta throws the chemicals up at the guys in the hospital |
| 16:46:45 | JasonNJ | robot bastard totally rules on the zaurus |
| 16:53:50 | Speedy2 | grrr |
| 16:53:53 | Speedy2 | This is an irritating problem |
| 16:55:49 | [DrEvil] | I agree |
| 16:58:20 | [DrEvil] | my computers are totally naked |
| 16:58:32 | [DrEvil] | *gasp* |
| 16:58:38 | ljp_ | do they run around outside, too? |
| 16:58:50 | jmhodges | lol |
| 16:58:58 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 16:59:11 | [DrEvil] | I took all the case panels off for painting |
| 17:02:00 | [DrEvil] | they will be pretty after they are done |
| 17:02:03 | [DrEvil] | no more beige |
| 17:04:35 | ljp_ | wow.. a case mod! |
| 17:15:17 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 17:15:29 | ljp_ | quiet today |
| 17:16:45 | | mdz was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 36 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: prpplague: what sort of header? compilation problem? [Tue Jul 30 16:39:56 2002] |
| 17:16:45 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz |
| 17:16:46 | Harlekin | need to get his tuxscreen painted |
| 17:16:50 | [DrEvil] | whew |
| 17:16:51 | Harlekin | butugly as it is |
| 17:16:59 | [DrEvil] | I didn't have to download the whole kernel |
| 17:17:28 | noidd | If you're going to show any film screenhot - it has to me "The Killer Tongue" |
| 17:19:28 | ljp_ | no, better show 'Debbie Does Dallas" |
| 17:19:55 | mdz | prpplague: ? |
| 17:20:38 | Speedy2 | ljp: Can you accept DCC? |
| 17:20:48 | noidd | This horror story involves a woman hiding out with four pastel colored poodles in a desert gas station with the loot from a heist while her boy friend does prison time. A meteorite crashes near the station transforming the woman into an alien being with a gigantic voracious tongue and her poodles are transformed into four drag queens. The whole thing grows even weirder as her boy friend escapes from prison and also encounters the meteorite, as d |
| 17:20:48 | noidd | oes a mute Nun who is converted into a sexy drum majorette. Pursued by the prison officials who are after him, the whole group eventually come into conflict. |
| 17:21:24 | noidd | (it has Robert England in it) - (Freddie Kruger) |
| 17:22:02 | jmhodges | thats fucked up |
| 17:22:06 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:22:34 | noidd | No, its actually a hillarious film |
| 17:22:36 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: what glibc does buildroot get? |
| 17:22:42 | daz | how many hd space there is in the Z? |
| 17:22:52 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: 2.2.4 iirc |
| 17:23:01 | kergoth | daz: no 'hd' space |
| 17:23:04 | noidd | There is something quite sureal about the green, purple and blue poodles turning into drag queens |
| 17:23:08 | kergoth | dz: storage space, you have 32mb by default |
| 17:23:12 | [DrEvil] | checks to see if he can avoid downloading it |
| 17:23:38 | daz | kergoth: thanks |
| 17:23:42 | [DrEvil] | drat |
| 17:23:44 | kergoth | daz: on the 5500 anyway. the 5000 is less |
| 17:23:45 | [DrEvil] | I have 2.2.2 |
| 17:23:56 | jmhodges | lol [DrEvil] |
| 17:24:08 | noidd | and there is a hillarious scene after the woman realises how she and the "tongue" that has infested her can get on |
| 17:24:12 | [DrEvil] | but I did manage to not download the 2.4.6 kernel |
| 17:24:15 | [DrEvil] | I had 2.4.3 |
| 17:24:21 | [DrEvil] | so I just patched it |
| 17:24:26 | jmhodges | lol noidd |
| 17:24:29 | [DrEvil] | I should look for the glibc patch |
| 17:24:40 | noidd | Imagine the scene... You pan up the bed, and come to her, snuggling next to her tounge... and the tongue is smoking a fag ;-) |
| 17:24:53 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: uh you realize it has to download like 8 patches for the kernel also right? |
| 17:24:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:25:08 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I got the base kernel |
| 17:25:13 | [DrEvil] | the script did the rest |
| 17:25:14 | noidd | fag in this context means ciggies |
| 17:25:17 | jmhodges | lol noidd |
| 17:25:20 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: k, just checking |
| 17:25:23 | [DrEvil] | it cut off 29 megs |
| 17:25:24 | jmhodges | noidd: yeah i know :) |
| 17:25:28 | [DrEvil] | it is building now |
| 17:25:32 | daz | kergoth: how much in the 5000? |
| 17:25:53 | [DrEvil] | so I assume it got everything |
| 17:25:56 | kergoth | daz: 12mb or 6mb, depending on which rom version you use |
| 17:25:56 | [DrEvil] | if it is building |
| 17:26:04 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: it gets what it needs as it needs it |
| 17:26:16 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i.e. it wont download ncurses until it goes to bulid ncurses |
| 17:26:35 | [DrEvil] | goes to look for a glibc patch |
| 17:26:42 | Speedy2 | It's nice to get caught in an endless loop, isn't it ? |
| 17:26:54 | Speedy2 | just had such a problem. |
| 17:27:03 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:27:05 | kergoth | fun |
| 17:27:43 | kergoth | argh |
| 17:27:51 | kergoth | i thought maybe i was accessing the locomo registers wrong.. |
| 17:27:55 | noidd | (http://38.202.66.39/horrorsearch/pages/Movies/K/Killer_Tongue/) has a screenshot or two |
| 17:28:02 | kergoth | but i just used the user space util to read LPT0 and sure shit its correct. |
| 17:28:03 | kergoth | so wtf |
| 17:28:20 | [DrEvil] | whew |
| 17:28:24 | [DrEvil] | found the patches |
| 17:28:27 | [DrEvil] | big aren't they |
| 17:28:55 | kergoth | noidd: aha |
| 17:29:00 | kergoth | noidd: thats so fucked up |
| 17:29:27 | [DrEvil] | your buildroot scripts should use the bz2 extension |
| 17:29:52 | kergoth | last time i checked not all the mirrors had the .bz2's |
| 17:29:59 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 17:30:00 | kergoth | i'll try it though |
| 17:30:00 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 17:30:12 | [DrEvil] | just shaves a bit off the download time |
| 17:30:14 | Speedy2 | Oh my god |
| 17:30:18 | Speedy2 | The son of a bitch finished |
| 17:30:36 | Speedy2 | Sweet bejesus |
| 17:30:40 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 17:31:10 | kergoth | Speedy2: worked? |
| 17:33:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah, but I have to make some minor changes. This starts with 10 threads, each time a thread dies I have to create a new one -- that needs to be added (upto 100 total) |
| 17:34:20 | kergoth | Speedy2: cool |
| 17:34:22 | JasonNJ | anyone here ever fly America West? |
| 17:35:35 | [DrEvil] | don't their pilots have happy hour in the cockpit? |
| 17:35:40 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: When I was a drunk pilot, yes |
| 17:35:53 | Twiun | Howdy folks! |
| 17:35:55 | JasonNJ | thats not funny |
| 17:36:09 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Having drunk pilots is not funny |
| 17:36:16 | Speedy2 | Twiun: Hey! How was the trip? |
| 17:36:23 | JasonNJ | they have drunk pilots? |
| 17:36:24 | kergoth | holy shit! |
| 17:36:25 | kergoth | holy shit! |
| 17:36:27 | Twiun | Long ;-) |
| 17:36:28 | kergoth | the leds turned on! |
| 17:36:31 | kergoth | but i didnt DO anything! |
| 17:36:33 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Dude...didn't you hear? |
| 17:36:36 | kergoth | bangs head against desk |
| 17:36:37 | Speedy2 | kergoth: That's spooky |
| 17:37:02 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you get it to work? |
| 17:37:04 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Two of their pilots were grounded after they consumed a SHIT load of alcohol |
| 17:37:08 | [DrEvil] | did you sacrifice a chicken? |
| 17:37:10 | Speedy2 | (and were trying to fly the plane!) |
| 17:37:16 | jmhodges | LOL kergoth |
| 17:37:19 | Twiun | One piece of advice for anyone travelling to Australia... the healthcare is WORSE than the one in the UK |
| 17:37:23 | JasonNJ | sppedy: well, that inspires confidence |
| 17:37:27 | jmhodges | JasonNJ: dont get worried |
| 17:37:33 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Google for them and drunk pilot, you'll get some hits |
| 17:37:43 | JasonNJ | thats what sharp booked me on for linuxworld |
| 17:37:52 | jmhodges | JasonNJ: these are rare instances, and the other possible drunks will shape up |
| 17:37:52 | JasonNJ | cause I didnt get authorization to go until today |
| 17:37:58 | kergoth | FUCK |
| 17:38:01 | kergoth | the leds went out |
| 17:38:03 | kergoth | and stayed out |
| 17:38:03 | jmhodges | JasonNJ: be glad that it happened before you went |
| 17:38:04 | kergoth | DAMNIT |
| 17:38:14 | kergoth | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:38:16 | Twiun | kergoth: rough times? |
| 17:38:16 | jmhodges | ouch kergoth |
| 17:38:21 | kergoth | Twiun: yes, very. |
| 17:38:23 | kergoth | Twiun: the leds wont turn on |
| 17:38:26 | kergoth | Twiun: but a second ago they |
| 17:38:31 | kergoth | Twiun: did.. and i didnt do anything |
| 17:38:34 | kergoth | Twiun: and now they dont again |
| 17:38:36 | kergoth | !@#%^ |
| 17:38:37 | Speedy2 | Race condition? |
| 17:38:58 | kergoth | Speedy2: well, I altered one of the resters to something really weird right |
| 17:39:03 | kergoth | Speedy2: but, it didnt do anything |
| 17:39:08 | kergoth | Speedy2: but when i rebooted after that.. |
| 17:39:09 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Registers or resistors ? |
| 17:39:10 | kergoth | Speedy2: they turned on |
| 17:39:14 | kergoth | Speedy2: registers |
| 17:39:18 | ljp_ | but we like drunk stewardesses |
| 17:39:19 | kergoth | Speedy2: so wtf |
| 17:39:31 | Speedy2 | kergoth: There's a duty cycle reg, a frequency reg and an enable/disable reg |
| 17:39:43 | Speedy2 | ... |
| 17:39:47 | jmhodges | hehe ljp |
| 17:39:55 | kergoth | Speedy2: too bad locomo isnt documented EH |
| 17:39:59 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 17:40:08 | Speedy2 | kergoth: It is...somewhere in f'ing Japan. |
| 17:40:12 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:40:15 | kergoth | oh THAT helps |
| 17:40:16 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:40:19 | Speedy2 | Yeah...sorry |
| 17:40:22 | JasonNJ | suck.. not only do I get booked an airline with drunk pilots but I have to have a stopover in phoenix |
| 17:40:27 | Speedy2 | Sucky sucky |
| 17:41:13 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 17:41:15 | kergoth | wtf |
| 17:41:20 | benmeyer | ok, so all of the ways to connect are: serail(ppp), usb(tcp/ip), usb(ppp), wirless(tcp/ip), |
| 17:41:20 | benmeyer | modem(ppp), cf ethernet(tcp/ip) |
| 17:41:23 | benmeyer | missing any/ |
| 17:41:24 | benmeyer | ? |
| 17:41:29 | jmhodges | hehe JasonNJ |
| 17:41:37 | jmhodges | kergoth: i feeeel for you man |
| 17:42:05 | kergoth | benmeyer: heh, what are you working on? |
| 17:42:25 | benmeyer | opie's network with harlican |
| 17:42:35 | Twiun | JasonNJ: btw, full points on the cost of things in Japan... I'll be better off buying stuff in eastern europe ;-) |
| 17:42:37 | kergoth | benmeyer: ahh.. davipt still MIA? |
| 17:42:38 | Speedy2 | kergoth: You could just dump the registers after you use the existing Linux code to enable/disbale LED |
| 17:42:53 | benmeyer | from what I hear |
| 17:43:02 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah, revert to 2.4.6, run the reg util to dump the registers, then compare? |
| 17:43:07 | kergoth | Speedy2: thats a good idea |
| 17:43:08 | Speedy2 | Yes. |
| 17:43:23 | Speedy2 | Because...frankly, no blinky == sucky sucky |
| 17:43:27 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:43:38 | kergoth | its such a stupid thing to be wasting so much fucking time on |
| 17:43:39 | Speedy2 | You should name the LEDs after the Pac Man characters |
| 17:43:42 | Speedy2 | Inkey Blinkey |
| 17:43:43 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:43:51 | Speedy2 | What were the others? |
| 17:44:01 | Speedy2 | Inkey, Blinkey, aaa, bbb ?? |
| 17:44:01 | jmhodges | lol |
| 17:44:12 | numatrix | Pinky |
| 17:44:26 | numatrix | and Clyde |
| 17:44:30 | numatrix | http://www.salon.com/ent/masterpiece/2002/06/17/pac_man/print.html |
| 17:44:31 | Speedy2 | #define INKEY LED0 #define BLINKY LED1 |
| 17:44:33 | numatrix | :-) |
| 17:45:01 | numatrix | Btw; it's Inky. As if it matters. |
| 17:45:01 | kergoth | static inline void inkey_on(void); |
| 17:45:08 | kergoth | s/ey/y/ |
| 17:45:25 | JasonNJ | holy shit that drunk pilot thing happened as early as this month |
| 17:45:28 | numatrix | "In key"?!?! I'm still having trouble finding the "Any key"! |
| 17:45:35 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 17:45:58 | Speedy2 | numatrix: I don't see that article talking about Inkey, Blinkey, Pinkey OR Clide |
| 17:46:32 | Speedy2 | Inky, excuse me. |
| 17:47:14 | JasonNJ | ah, drunk pilots were from florida |
| 17:47:19 | JasonNJ | well that explains it. :) |
| 17:47:37 | JasonNJ | I feel so much better now. |
| 17:48:38 | Speedy2 | Inky, Blinky, Pinky, Clide |
| 17:52:26 | jmhodges | clyde |
| 17:52:33 | jmhodges | ? |
| 17:53:13 | numatrix | Quoting: "The result is a game suffused with gentle absurdities, as with the ghosts' names: Inky, Pinky, Blinky and the punch line, Clyde. " |
| 17:54:18 | fusion94 | is back (gone 01:38:16) |
| 17:54:46 | Speedy2 | numatrix: Whoops, I was searching for the wrong thing, my apologies. |
| 17:56:54 | numatrix | No problem. Luckily I was searching for "blink". :-) |
| 17:57:43 | | OK, numatrix. |
| 17:57:43 | numatrix | ibot, led0 is inky |
| 17:57:47 | | OK, numatrix. |
| 17:57:47 | numatrix | ibot, led1 is blinky |
| 18:00:37 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 18:01:13 | kergoth | re |
| 18:02:32 | jmhodges | wb |
| 18:02:43 | kergoth | thanks |
| 18:04:40 | cdm | hey kergoth |
| 18:09:09 | kergoth | hey cdm |
| 18:09:27 | cranch | what up peeps |
| 18:09:32 | kergoth | nada |
| 18:10:07 | cranch | more dumb OpenZ questions..it supposed to be faster than the Sharp ROM?> |
| 18:10:12 | kergoth | o |
| 18:10:13 | kergoth | no |
| 18:10:15 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 28 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: ok, it will be on our site in about 3 or 4 hours [Tue Jul 30 17:42:03 2002] |
| 18:10:15 | cranch | ibot: seen BigBoss |
| 18:10:35 | cranch | is it slower than the SharpROM |
| 18:10:36 | cranch | hehe |
| 18:10:39 | kergoth | no |
| 18:10:53 | cranch | for some odd reason, my apps seem to load alot slower... |
| 18:11:02 | cranch | I'm sure I'm not configuring stuff right |
| 18:11:11 | kergoth | id you have them set to Fast Load on the sharp rom? |
| 18:11:20 | hunger | cranch: Tick on the apps icon and hold the stylus on it. |
| 18:11:20 | kergoth | some apps (the built in ones) default to fast load on the sahrp rom. |
| 18:11:20 | cranch | nope |
| 18:11:28 | cranch | oh really? |
| 18:11:31 | cranch | that could be why |
| 18:11:35 | hunger | cranch: In the tab opening click on preload (or something). |
| 18:11:37 | kergoth | cranch: addressbook, etc on the sharp rom default to fast load. they dont in OZ. |
| 18:11:38 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:11:38 | cranch | my tkc Apps are taking a long time... |
| 18:11:59 | kergoth | cranch: tkc apps should take the exact same amount of time, unless tkc apps are fast load by default |
| 18:12:07 | cranch | gotcha |
| 18:12:15 | kergoth | cranch: so check that first |
| 18:12:27 | cranch | my /jffs2 has 656k avaiable...that a problem? |
| 18:12:31 | kergoth | no |
| 18:12:45 | kergoth | should be fine |
| 18:12:57 | kergoth | you need a certain amount of extra space for jffs2 to do its garbage collection, but not much |
| 18:13:07 | kergoth | beyond that there's no need to leave space sitting around unused |
| 18:13:35 | cranch | so I could basically fill up /jffs2 |
| 18:14:50 | kergoth | within reason |
| 18:15:02 | cranch | could you define reason?> |
| 18:15:04 | kergoth | as i said, if you fill it completely, you'll have not enough room to delete files. |
| 18:15:09 | kergoth | jffs2 needs room to garbage collect. |
| 18:15:15 | cranch | okay... |
| 18:15:16 | cranch | makes sense |
| 18:15:22 | kergoth | a completely filled jffs2 filesystem will not let you rm :-) |
| 18:15:34 | kergoth | ask david woodhouse (dwmw2) for the info on just how much space is required |
| 18:15:44 | kergoth | hey codemnky |
| 18:15:54 | codemnky | yo |
| 18:15:58 | treke | seems like jffs2 should reserve thespace it neds :) |
| 18:15:59 | codemnky | i'm glad you're here |
| 18:16:02 | roge99_laptop | sup codemnky |
| 18:16:11 | kergoth | treke: pester davida bout that :-) |
| 18:16:12 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: have you thought about crypted FS support? |
| 18:16:26 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: elaborate |
| 18:16:30 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: not in flash, certainly |
| 18:16:39 | [DrEvil] | well on CF or SD |
| 18:16:47 | codemnky | hey roge |
| 18:16:48 | Speedy2 | Bah...missed the break in a switch...no wonder things were getting messed up |
| 18:16:56 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: find me a good encrypted fs, i'll add it |
| 18:16:58 | kergoth | Speedy2: hah |
| 18:16:59 | [DrEvil] | some people might like to encrypt their data |
| 18:17:15 | Speedy2 | kergoth: data > /dev/DrEncrypto | file |
| 18:17:31 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: well we need more entropy first of all |
| 18:17:36 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: the Z has jack for randomness |
| 18:17:50 | Speedy2 | kergoth: You have access to a Sun machine? Want to try this code in a few? |
| 18:17:57 | codemnky | i have a cable that goes from my cell to serial and then there's the serial for the zaurus, i'd need to get a adapter to get them to connect, my phone support basic modem commands, you think i'd be able to get it to work? |
| 18:18:02 | kergoth | Speedy2: we've got a few in our lab, yeah |
| 18:18:03 | sjohnson | cranch: IIRC, jffs2 needs 4 sectors to handle GC |
| 18:18:13 | kergoth | sjohnson: thanks |
| 18:18:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:18:27 | kergoth | codemnky: it'll work flawless |
| 18:18:32 | codemnky | really |
| 18:18:35 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:18:36 | codemnky | ok i'll buy the cable |
| 18:18:47 | codemnky | i'm sure you'll be hearing from me when it arrives ;) |
| 18:18:58 | kergoth | codemnky: but the Z is modem style wiring, its designed to plug into a computer directly.. as is your cell phone |
| 18:19:07 | pdq | codemnky: not all cables work |
| 18:19:08 | kergoth | codemnky: in other words, its highly likely you'll need a null modem adapter. |
| 18:19:13 | Speedy2 | Becareful too |
| 18:19:19 | codemnky | it's the cable from sharpo for the Z |
| 18:19:20 | Speedy2 | You should add RS-232 protection |
| 18:19:25 | Speedy2 | The Z speaks CMOS levels |
| 18:19:34 | kergoth | Speedy2: rs232 protection? |
| 18:19:38 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 18:19:39 | Speedy2 | errr |
| 18:19:40 | kergoth | codemnky: well no shit |
| 18:19:40 | codemnky | yea what's that? |
| 18:19:44 | Speedy2 | Transient protection |
| 18:19:49 | Speedy2 | I don't think they put diodes on the RS-232 lines |
| 18:19:52 | Speedy2 | So ESD can damage CPU |
| 18:19:52 | [DrEvil] | my plan for glibc has worked |
| 18:19:59 | kergoth | Speedy2: ahh |
| 18:20:09 | Speedy2 | And furthermore, the RS-232 is CMOS levels, not RS-232, so you should use a MAX232 style chpi |
| 18:20:10 | Speedy2 | chip |
| 18:20:11 | cranch | thanks sjohnson |
| 18:20:13 | codemnky | well i mean he's saying be carefull of the cable i buy |
| 18:20:18 | codemnky | i only have 1 choice |
| 18:20:20 | pdq | some cell phone cables have a power-safing version of level converter |
| 18:20:25 | pdq | those cables do not work |
| 18:20:31 | codemnky | define those |
| 18:20:56 | codemnky | my cell phone cable works great, i can get online with my laptop just fine |
| 18:20:57 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Want to see this son of a bitch run? |
| 18:21:09 | pdq | those == the cables with power-saving version of max232 |
| 18:21:14 | codemnky | at a whopping 19.1k |
| 18:21:21 | kergoth | codemnky: well you wont be able to plug the Z cable directly into your cell phone's cable and have it work. |
| 18:21:32 | [DrEvil] | cables |
| 18:21:33 | codemnky | what do i need to do |
| 18:21:33 | [DrEvil] | bah |
| 18:21:36 | kergoth | codemnky: as i said, you'll need a null modem adapter, to cross the appropriate pins. |
| 18:21:37 | codemnky | that's my question |
| 18:21:43 | codemnky | right |
| 18:21:50 | Speedy2 | kergoth: There are a few uglies in the code, so don't hold it against me, I'm typically a clean coder |
| 18:21:52 | [DrEvil] | bluetooth is where it is at |
| 18:22:02 | kergoth | Speedy2: hehe. np. you should see some of the shit i've hacked together |
| 18:22:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: compile gcc <file.c> -lrt -lpthread |
| 18:22:06 | kergoth | k |
| 18:22:13 | codemnky | would it be possible for you to paste me a link to this device? |
| 18:22:13 | Speedy2 | On Sun Solaris at least |
| 18:22:21 | codemnky | so i buy the right adapter? |
| 18:22:23 | pdq | even with a null modem the ones with power-save don't work |
| 18:22:25 | Speedy2 | codemnky: Well...you'll kinda have to build a circuit |
| 18:22:37 | codemnky | hmm |
| 18:22:43 | Speedy2 | It's worth your Z though |
| 18:22:47 | codemnky | just to link 2 serial cables? |
| 18:22:48 | Speedy2 | Cause...Z could get damaged otherwise |
| 18:22:59 | Speedy2 | codemnky: To link the Z to an RS-232 device... |
| 18:23:04 | kergoth | Speedy2: dont think the Z serial cable has protection? |
| 18:23:06 | codemnky | oh |
| 18:23:15 | Speedy2 | kergoth: That I am not sure of...cdm might know |
| 18:23:28 | Speedy2 | But cdm states it's still CMOS level, so I suspect not |
| 18:23:28 | kergoth | Speedy2: because he's takling about buying the Z serial cable from sharp. |
| 18:23:32 | codemnky | i think i'm going to get a ipac |
| 18:23:32 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:23:35 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I understand |
| 18:23:39 | codemnky | :P |
| 18:23:48 | codemnky | i wish i understood! |
| 18:23:49 | Speedy2 | Well...I have a serial cable for an iPaq |
| 18:24:00 | pdq | most cell phone cables have a max232. It's inside the plug |
| 18:24:12 | Speedy2 | codemnky: CMOS levels == voltage levels used by CMOS chips (0V and 3.3V). RS-232 voltages are -12V and +12V |
| 18:24:18 | codemnky | if the deveopers at sharp mobile would get off their ass i wouldn't have this problem |
| 18:24:22 | codemnky | ah |
| 18:24:25 | Speedy2 | (sometimes +/- 15 and 0V in between) |
| 18:24:47 | Speedy2 | But people sometimes cheat and don't put in converter devices ala MAX232 |
| 18:24:55 | Speedy2 | (which convert CMOS to RS-232 and vice-versa) |
| 18:24:59 | pdq | the it doesn't work |
| 18:25:05 | pdq | then |
| 18:25:08 | Speedy2 | No |
| 18:25:13 | Speedy2 | It's possible to have it work |
| 18:25:16 | kergoth | Speedy2: not likely |
| 18:25:23 | cdm | the lines coming out are CMOS level. |
| 18:25:28 | Speedy2 | Exactly. |
| 18:25:29 | kergoth | Speedy2: I've seen serial ports even slightly out of tolerance unable to communicate with anyone but themselves |
| 18:25:33 | cdm | the serial dongle converts them - which is why it is fricking HUGE. |
| 18:25:40 | cdm | covers the damned AC input. |
| 18:25:40 | Speedy2 | cdm: Oh it does ?? |
| 18:25:57 | kergoth | okay, thats what i thought |
| 18:25:59 | cdm | Speedy2: yeah, just does a piss-poor job of it. |
| 18:26:03 | kergoth | it'd be useless to me if it didnt convert |
| 18:26:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:26:06 | codemnky | what about this |
| 18:26:13 | Speedy2 | codemnky: Forget what we said and you can buy it. |
| 18:26:18 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Did you run the program yet? |
| 18:26:31 | kergoth | Speedy2: not yet, busy atm |
| 18:26:34 | codemnky | cell phone -> serial -> rs232 adapter -> rs232 flash card? |
| 18:26:36 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: got another one that wont play, this one is a divx |
| 18:26:44 | codemnky | will that work? |
| 18:26:48 | kergoth | codemnky: just buy the Z serial cable and a null modem adapter. |
| 18:26:49 | Speedy2 | RS-232 FlashCard ??? |
| 18:26:51 | kergoth | codemnky: thats all you need. |
| 18:27:01 | codemnky | yes |
| 18:27:09 | codemnky | modem flash whatever it is |
| 18:27:13 | codemnky | ok |
| 18:27:15 | codemnky | thx kergoth |
| 18:27:19 | kergoth | np |
| 18:27:36 | sjohnson | codemnky: Thre are CF serial cards 1-4 ports. |
| 18:27:53 | codemnky | really? |
| 18:27:53 | sig | is there gnomemeeting for the zaurus? |
| 18:27:59 | codemnky | who makes'm |
| 18:28:01 | codemnky | socket? |
| 18:28:18 | kergoth | sig: uh, no. gnome doesnt run on the Z. |
| 18:28:23 | sjohnson | Look on mobileplanet.com for the cards. I don't remember who make 'em. |
| 18:28:30 | kergoth | sig: and unless you're using X on your Z, itd be useless anyway |
| 18:28:30 | sig | kergoth: hehe |
| 18:29:17 | codemnky | i was confused about the rs232 flash |
| 18:29:21 | codemnky | forget what i said |
| 18:30:42 | codemnky | where can i get one of those adapters kergoth? |
| 18:30:55 | codemnky | where do you think i should look? |
| 18:30:57 | kergoth | codemnky: null modem adapter? radio shack |
| 18:31:02 | codemnky | ok thx |
| 18:31:04 | kergoth | codemnky: best buy likely carries them also |
| 18:31:08 | codemnky | cool |
| 18:31:18 | kergoth | YOu know what annoys me, is every single null modem adapter out there just about is wired differently |
| 18:31:25 | codemnky | now when i have all the peices :) what next? |
| 18:31:26 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 49 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: ok, it will be on our site in about 3 or 4 hours [Tue Jul 30 17:42:03 2002] |
| 18:31:26 | cranch | ibot: seen BigBoss |
| 18:31:31 | kergoth | we once went out and bought 20 of them, and only 2 of them were the same wiring scheme |
| 18:31:34 | kergoth | codemnky: plug them in |
| 18:31:37 | kergoth | codemnky: :-P |
| 18:31:46 | codemnky | then just set up a modem like normal? |
| 18:31:51 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:31:56 | codemnky | ok |
| 18:31:56 | pdq | just looked it up. the cell phone cables that don't work are the ones with a max3221 |
| 18:32:27 | codemnky | this will be cool if it works, i'll finially be able to sit at the beach and no one will no the differnce |
| 18:32:40 | codemnky | 8^) |
| 18:32:45 | pdq | i have two cables. one works (with max232) the other one doesn't (with max 3221) |
| 18:32:52 | codemnky | that's me with sun glasses on |
| 18:33:19 | sig | anyone have a quake3 server? |
| 18:36:38 | codemnky | nope |
| 18:36:58 | codemnky | who has times for games when we're busy playing with our Z! |
| 18:37:15 | jmhodges | i do |
| 18:37:17 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 18:37:22 | tharin | hey kergoth where can I get some support for oz |
| 18:37:43 | codemnky | just email devnull@openzaurus.org |
| 18:38:03 | codemnky | :) not really |
| 18:38:23 | Twiun | finally caught up with all those 800 emails... |
| 18:38:26 | numatrix | tharin: I'd imagine this channel would be about the best OZ support money can buy. |
| 18:38:52 | tharin | I remember reading that oz's default browser was konq however when I installed oz I can't find konq |
| 18:39:24 | cranch | you got to install it tharin |
| 18:39:28 | jmhodges | Twiun: when i get that many emails.. i just do a nice big "Mark All as Read" it helps my keep what sanity i have left :) |
| 18:40:05 | tharin | will it install to sd or cf card? |
| 18:41:04 | cranch | you specify it in the Software Installer...click and hold onthe package |
| 18:43:15 | tharin | the ipkg is currently on my cf card and I would like to install it to my sd card however I can't seem to figure out the 'software' app |
| 18:43:43 | George- | kergoth: Got enough nicks there... |
| 18:43:48 | tharin | heh |
| 18:43:48 | George- | Attack of the Clones |
| 18:44:24 | | cranch: sorry... |
| 18:44:24 | cranch | ibot: zsu |
| 18:44:30 | | zsi is, like, http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 18:44:30 | cranch | ibot: zsi |
| 18:44:33 | tharin | cranch: I click on the package but how do I specify where I want it to install to? |
| 18:44:35 | Twiun | jmhodges: Hehe... I do the same at work... |
| 18:44:50 | Twiun | jmhodges: In this case, I had a few emails with info for my java faq |
| 18:44:50 | cranch | the package you want... |
| 18:45:11 | cranch | click and hold and a menu should appear saying install to: then you move over it and there should be an option saying: sd /mnt/card |
| 18:46:00 | noidd | Well, I did it. I submitted my talk. NOT Zaurus related tho - ah well :-() |
| 18:46:01 | tharin | I don';t see 'install to' only 'location' |
| 18:46:13 | Twiun | Heya noidd! |
| 18:46:17 | noidd | heya W |
| 18:46:25 | noidd | Twiun even |
| 18:46:34 | cranch | are you using OpenZ? |
| 18:46:35 | Twiun | hehe |
| 18:46:56 | tharin | cranch: yes I am...2.9.4 (oz3 b10.4) |
| 18:47:17 | noidd | I'm submitting a modified version of the tutorial I did last time |
| 18:47:21 | noidd | Is that cheating? :-) |
| 18:47:40 | Twiun | Only if you think it is ;-) |
| 18:47:41 | tharin | cranch ok now I see what your talking about... |
| 18:47:51 | cranch | ;) |
| 18:47:55 | tharin | cranch now how do I make it install =) |
| 18:48:02 | tharin | is so dumb |
| 18:48:20 | noidd | I was opersite Shwern and some other guy last year, I got 50 people ... damn impressive. |
| 18:48:31 | noidd | Swern got like 120 :-) but he's a celebrity |
| 18:48:34 | [DrEvil] | dammit |
| 18:48:39 | [DrEvil] | buildroot died on glibc |
| 18:48:54 | cranch | haha I'm dumb too..I just remember that after kergoth was forced to beat it into my head |
| 18:48:57 | noidd | so I didn't take it personallyt |
| 18:49:26 | Twiun | You'll get there, I'm sure |
| 18:49:45 | noidd | I dont actually mind either way |
| 18:49:52 | noidd | it was fun last time - but very stressfull :-) |
| 18:50:05 | noidd | first time I've ever done public speaking or training |
| 18:50:08 | noidd | 4 hours :-P |
| 18:50:15 | noidd | four long, hours :-) |
| 18:50:22 | Twiun | Ouch |
| 18:50:33 | cranch | click the little package icon in the top right tharin |
| 18:50:42 | noidd | I got good reviews tho :-) |
| 18:51:18 | jmhodges | aaah i see Twiun .. err about the emails.. im a little behind ;) |
| 18:52:05 | tharin | cranch: it doesn't seem that I can install konq to my sd card... I got an error. |
| 18:52:09 | jmhodges | nice noidd! |
| 18:52:11 | cranch | saying what? |
| 18:52:20 | jmhodges | noidd im glad it went well |
| 18:52:26 | noidd | so am I |
| 18:52:39 | noidd | be nice to do it again, I have nice ideas to change it a little |
| 18:52:41 | Twiun | jmhodges: that's ok... I check back to this desktop every now and then too |
| 18:53:03 | noidd | but, I'm like 1 hour from the deadline, so the talks are probably done already |
| 18:53:29 | noidd | we can but try tho... Makes it easier to get all the expenses through the company if i'm doing a talk as opposed to just attending |
| 18:53:32 | jmhodges | hehe Twiun |
| 18:53:44 | jmhodges | lol noidd |
| 18:53:51 | noidd | esp since i'm staying an extra 2 days to hang out at the worlds largest beer-fest :-) |
| 18:54:13 | noidd | on *cough* company expenses *cough* |
| 18:54:17 | noidd | :-D |
| 18:54:46 | Twiun | Hahaha |
| 18:54:49 | tharin | cranch: it just says all done but the bar on the top says 0% |
| 18:55:21 | cranch | yeah...click Okay.. |
| 18:55:22 | tharin | maybe I need a newversion of konq... I could never install this version to an sd card... |
| 18:55:32 | noidd | must sponsor a company beer tent :-) |
| 18:55:50 | cranch | one of the bugs for the Software Packager - its borked..kergoth admitted that in the Readme somwhere |
| 18:55:51 | cranch | :) |
| 18:56:06 | jmhodges | lol noidd |
| 18:57:04 | tharin | cranch: you know how to change the colors in the konsole... you know how docs are blue and files are green.... |
| 18:57:23 | cranch | I know how to change the background and font colors... |
| 18:57:34 | cranch | not specifically the file types though |
| 18:59:17 | mdz | tharin: man ls |
| 19:01:36 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 19:04:24 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Run the program |
| 19:04:43 | [DrEvil] | what is the anonymous password for anoncvs.handhelds.org? |
| 19:04:47 | kergoth | i'm on the phone with some idiot customer atm |
| 19:04:48 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: anoncvs |
| 19:04:56 | [DrEvil] | mmmkay |
| 19:05:03 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: also, fyi the pw for busybox cvs is nothing, just hit enter |
| 19:05:09 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 19:05:48 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 19:05:53 | [DrEvil] | why does this need fakeroot |
| 19:07:12 | George- | !seen mark |
| 19:07:14 | | mark was last seen on #zaurus 20 hours, 4 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: nadav: can you run vmware within virtual pc? :) [Tue Jul 30 00:02:37 2002] |
| 19:07:14 | George- | ibot seen mark |
| 19:07:53 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: if you dont want to use fakeroot, you have to be root. |
| 19:11:18 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 19:11:31 | [DrEvil] | so I get to the point of atd |
| 19:11:36 | [DrEvil] | it checks some stuff out |
| 19:11:50 | [DrEvil] | like a few files |
| 19:11:57 | [DrEvil] | arm-linux-gcc: atd.c: No such file or directory |
| 19:12:04 | kergoth | uhh |
| 19:12:08 | kergoth | i havent seen that.. |
| 19:12:26 | kergoth | did it prompt you for the handhelds.org cvs password again when it checked out atd? |
| 19:12:32 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 19:12:40 | [DrEvil] | but it didn't checkout all of atd |
| 19:12:45 | [DrEvil] | it did some updates |
| 19:12:51 | kergoth | so rm -rf build/apps sources/dl/apps; |
| 19:12:53 | kergoth | then do it again |
| 19:13:45 | [DrEvil] | still just did an update |
| 19:14:20 | hunger | kergoth: I keep running into the bus error:-( |
| 19:14:34 | tharin | kergoth: how did you change the colors of files and docs in the linux console? |
| 19:14:43 | kergoth | tharin: huh? |
| 19:14:44 | [DrEvil] | look both ways before crossing the street |
| 19:14:48 | kergoth | tharin: busybox ls supports color |
| 19:14:55 | ljp_ | kergoth: did you try login to opie's pivot? if you got in, would you add me as admin, and send password? |
| 19:15:06 | kergoth | tharin: as someone said earlier, 'man ls'.. read the ls documentation to see about changing it |
| 19:15:25 | [DrEvil] | how many files should atd have? |
| 19:15:27 | [DrEvil] | lots? |
| 19:15:54 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: like 10 |
| 19:16:01 | tharin | kergoth: the zaurus doesnt have man |
| 19:16:07 | benmeyer | nope |
| 19:16:11 | benmeyer | man eats up space |
| 19:16:16 | benmeyer | use your desktop |
| 19:16:21 | tgall_foo | docs are for wimps |
| 19:16:27 | benmeyer | most ipk's strip out man files anyway |
| 19:16:28 | | ACTION explodes |
| 19:16:28 | Oriumpor | ibot blow up |
| 19:16:32 | Oriumpor | smiles |
| 19:16:32 | George- | what's the collie.bin file in the romimage? |
| 19:16:35 | [DrEvil] | it looks like it got it all |
| 19:16:36 | benmeyer | so having man would be pretty pointless |
| 19:16:41 | George- | is that the binary for the diagnostics? |
| 19:16:41 | hunger | tharin: google for "man ls" |
| 19:16:48 | kergoth | ljp_: hah, it says i have to be logged in as admin to manipulate users |
| 19:16:52 | Oriumpor | man eats up space |
| 19:16:53 | hunger | tharin: There are lots of manpages online. |
| 19:16:53 | [DrEvil] | is it supposed to copy from sources/dl/apps/atd to build? |
| 19:17:11 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:17:16 | kergoth | cp -a sources/dl/apps build/ |
| 19:17:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:17:24 | [DrEvil] | it didn't do that |
| 19:17:31 | warmi | what's up folks ? |
| 19:17:35 | warmi | busy day |
| 19:17:38 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: uh, someone is seoirusly fucked |
| 19:17:40 | ljp_ | hmmm.. cause bipolar can't login as admin |
| 19:17:44 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i just checked out cvs and it worked flawless here |
| 19:17:52 | [DrEvil] | I see |
| 19:17:58 | JasonNJ | holy crap |
| 19:18:09 | JasonNJ | IBM just bought Price Waterhouse Coopers for 3Billion |
| 19:18:10 | George- | JasonNJ: ? |
| 19:18:15 | JasonNJ | Accounting By IBM! |
| 19:18:27 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 19:18:33 | [DrEvil] | are they IBM's accounting firm? |
| 19:18:39 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: URL? |
| 19:18:45 | noidd | JasonNJ: thats so their auditors arn't inspected as per the current trends :-) |
| 19:19:05 | MYodaWork | is back (gone 28:28:01) |
| 19:19:13 | noidd | or so they can take a good look at their competitors books :-D |
| 19:19:18 | kergoth | ljp_: i just logged in as admin |
| 19:20:02 | ljp_ | oh.. |
| 19:20:10 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 19:20:13 | [DrEvil] | now at is not working |
| 19:20:14 | ljp_ | mind sending me that pass? |
| 19:20:23 | [DrEvil] | was there supposed to be a patch to the at source? |
| 19:20:33 | [DrEvil] | atd.c:452: #error "No mail command specified." |
| 19:20:52 | tharin | has anyone ever gotten konq to install on their sd or cf card? |
| 19:21:22 | BZFlag | I've got konq on my mmc, yeah. |
| 19:21:31 | jmhodges | tharin: welcome to the wonderful hell that is oipkg symlkinking.. |
| 19:21:37 | BZFlag | I may have done a ram install and then moved it though. |
| 19:21:38 | JasonNJ | BZFlag: I just fired you another email |
| 19:21:48 | JasonNJ | regarding the fact gcc will break things again in november |
| 19:21:54 | BZFlag | read "BZFlag: I just fired you" and got worried. |
| 19:21:57 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: |
| 19:22:03 | jmhodges | lol BZFlag |
| 19:22:04 | kergoth | /usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot-oz$ ls sources/|grep atd |
| 19:22:05 | kergoth | atd-1.1.patch.gz |
| 19:22:05 | kergoth | kergoth@hyperion |
| 19:22:05 | kergoth | /usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot-oz$ |
| 19:22:12 | Twiun | BZFlag: lol |
| 19:23:13 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: we should ask rmk when the float change is scheduled for too. |
| 19:23:21 | [DrEvil] | decides to start over |
| 19:23:23 | tharin | BZFlag: Thanks for the thought... I will try that sometime |
| 19:24:02 | kergoth | BZFlag: what float change? from nwfpe to fastfpe? |
| 19:24:06 | JasonNJ | http://money.cnn.com/2002/07/30/technology/ibm_pwc/index.htm |
| 19:24:07 | kergoth | BZFlag: ah nevermind, i'm dense |
| 19:24:22 | [DrEvil] | it's probably because I use Mangdrake instead of Debian |
| 19:24:26 | kergoth | shit motherfucker |
| 19:24:28 | kergoth | on the phone |
| 19:24:30 | kergoth | argh!~ |
| 19:24:37 | kergoth | i need a new job |
| 19:24:39 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: doubtful |
| 19:24:43 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: all it does is runs 'patch' |
| 19:24:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:24:57 | JasonNJ | ah they only bought the consulting arm |
| 19:25:01 | [DrEvil] | all the "support" stuff that handles everything |
| 19:25:10 | JasonNJ | still, 3.5 billion is a big chunka change |
| 19:25:33 | kergoth | nneeedddd alllccccooohhhooolll |
| 19:25:47 | kergoth | or my punching bag |
| 19:25:49 | kergoth | or both |
| 19:25:50 | kergoth | ! |
| 19:26:34 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: http://www.garthy.com/programs.html |
| 19:26:44 | [DrEvil] | there is an openobex patch there that you might look at |
| 19:27:03 | JasonNJ | toolafial: whatcha do at Caldera? |
| 19:27:20 | toolafial | JasonNJ : right now I'm developing training |
| 19:27:55 | JasonNJ | I heard caldera had a decent course |
| 19:28:04 | JasonNJ | I almost went to it way back when |
| 19:28:06 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hmm.. i may have to dig into that.. his patch seems hackish. ill look into it. thanks. |
| 19:28:23 | cranch | tkcVideoPlayer..come to me |
| 19:28:27 | toolafial | It's not bad at all our aim was to make it one of the best courses around |
| 19:28:39 | JasonNJ | I missed Forum this year, I used to go every year |
| 19:28:47 | JasonNJ | I used to be a real SCO dweebie |
| 19:28:51 | toolafial | we just re-did the whole course 8 month ago |
| 19:28:55 | kergoth | i wonder if digi sent anyone there this year |
| 19:28:59 | cranch | anyone run Solaris? |
| 19:29:06 | cranch | I need some quick help |
| 19:29:10 | toolafial | it's called geoforum this year and it's in vegas |
| 19:29:19 | kergoth | cranch: ask away, someone may help |
| 19:29:23 | JasonNJ | Vegas? |
| 19:29:29 | oob | i run solaris |
| 19:29:31 | toolafial | yea |
| 19:29:33 | JasonNJ | I liked the whole college campus thing |
| 19:29:47 | cranch | I booted up my old SparcStation5 |
| 19:29:49 | JasonNJ | it felt very informal |
| 19:29:57 | cranch | never used one before but found it in a room upstairs |
| 19:30:04 | toolafial | I never went to one at the college campus |
| 19:30:06 | cranch | goes to a white screen |
| 19:30:09 | cranch | what now :) |
| 19:30:15 | toolafial | but this year they are spliting up the forums geographically |
| 19:30:21 | benmeyer | # Specify program to run on ttyS0 |
| 19:30:21 | benmeyer | s0:24:respawn:/sbin/getty 9600 ttyS0 |
| 19:30:21 | oob | i saw a sparcstation5 go for GBP 20 the other day on ebay |
| 19:30:27 | kergoth | cranch: 'a white screen' <-could we alaborate? :-) |
| 19:30:31 | JasonNJ | I should give Unixware another spin, I really liked it last time I played with it |
| 19:30:31 | toolafial | and vegas is a great place to hold a convention |
| 19:30:38 | benmeyer | what does the 24 mean in /etc/inittab |
| 19:30:39 | JasonNJ | the linux compatability was really slick |
| 19:30:42 | kergoth | ugh i dont like unixware |
| 19:30:44 | kergoth | benmeyer: read the man page |
| 19:30:45 | toolafial | well Unixware hasn't changed much |
| 19:30:51 | kergoth | benmeyer: those are the runlevels it starts in. |
| 19:30:56 | toolafial | they added the LKP last year |
| 19:31:03 | JasonNJ | I know all the guys involved with Unixware |
| 19:31:04 | kergoth | ttymon sucks |
| 19:31:06 | toolafial | did some bug fixes and that's about it |
| 19:31:06 | kergoth | badly |
| 19:31:07 | benmeyer | hehe yah |
| 19:31:09 | JasonNJ | I know the guy who WROTE the LKP |
| 19:31:18 | JasonNJ | he does Zaurus and bluetooth development now |
| 19:31:27 | JasonNJ | he's a personal friend of mine |
| 19:31:29 | toolafial | well, I've never met any of the unixware engineers |
| 19:31:41 | oob | ?lkp? |
| 19:31:42 | [DrEvil] | ugh |
| 19:31:44 | JasonNJ | toolafial: they are real propellerheads |
| 19:31:46 | [DrEvil] | sinus infection |
| 19:31:47 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 19:31:51 | cranch | its a whie screen with writing on it... Has a sun logo on it... |
| 19:31:51 | toolafial | ha ha |
| 19:31:55 | kergoth | oob: linux kenrel personality |
| 19:31:56 | JasonNJ | Ron Record and David Eyes |
| 19:31:58 | cranch | asking me to type help |
| 19:31:59 | cranch | :) |
| 19:32:00 | kergoth | oob: unixware can run linux apps |
| 19:32:05 | oob | kergoth - thx |
| 19:32:23 | oob | cranch - what happens if you press <stop><a> |
| 19:32:46 | cranch | thats what I was looking for...brb |
| 19:32:47 | toolafial | I remember seeing emails from those guys on some lists |
| 19:32:49 | JasonNJ | lol, Unixware can run Linux apps faster than linux |
| 19:32:50 | toolafial | but that's about it |
| 19:33:14 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not surprising, really |
| 19:33:22 | JasonNJ | yeah it scales much better |
| 19:33:25 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:33:27 | JasonNJ | with multiple cpus |
| 19:33:30 | kergoth | god i hate unixware's install process |
| 19:33:44 | kergoth | it takes like hours and hours. i dunno wtf it does to those packages... |
| 19:33:50 | toolafial | when I had to install unixware it allowed a whole day to do it |
| 19:33:52 | cranch | oob...it doesn't do anything I don't think |
| 19:33:55 | JasonNJ | kergtoh: if they only fixed that and made it run all Unixware apps, stripped it down, it would be a killer workstation OS |
| 19:33:57 | kergoth | toolafial: yes, exactly |
| 19:34:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep.. ditch most of the unixware user space apps by default.. |
| 19:34:23 | JasonNJ | er, made it run all Linux apps I mean |
| 19:34:30 | JasonNJ | LKP only unixware |
| 19:34:34 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:34:37 | JasonNJ | just all linux with unix kernel |
| 19:34:37 | toolafial | I've tinkered with the LKP quite a bit |
| 19:34:39 | JasonNJ | that would rock |
| 19:34:40 | oob | cranch - normally with sun boxes you get the "white screen with writting and sun logo" while openboot is running |
| 19:34:42 | kergoth | unixware sucks in user space. ttymon and shit.. ughhhh |
| 19:34:43 | toolafial | I had kde running etc etc |
| 19:35:06 | oob | openboot should bring up the os, but if it is haning at that stage it is likely that there is no os installed or that their is a disk problem |
| 19:35:11 | kergoth | sacadm -blah -blah -blah <3 more lines> ... -blah.; |
| 19:35:32 | oob | either way, you should be able to press <stop><a> (at the same time) to get to the "ok" prompt |
| 19:35:36 | prpplague | kergoth: unixware is like the worst of every unix in one package |
| 19:35:41 | oob | at which point you should try "boot disk" |
| 19:35:49 | JasonNJ | I havent touched Caldera's linux distros in a while too |
| 19:35:57 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah |
| 19:35:57 | prpplague | kergoth: it should actual be called unix"be"ware |
| 19:36:01 | cranch | thinking there is no OS |
| 19:36:11 | cranch | its at the ok prompt |
| 19:36:14 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I dnot like caldera's linuxes myself. |
| 19:36:19 | JasonNJ | your PR people keep inviting me out to different things as a Linux Mag writer but I dont have the time |
| 19:36:21 | toolafial | most people I've talked to still really like OpenServer |
| 19:36:22 | cranch | I'm thinking there is no OS on it |
| 19:36:22 | oob | "boot disk" |
| 19:36:25 | cranch | k |
| 19:36:33 | oob | (no quotes) |
| 19:36:38 | kergoth | toolafial: yes, exactly. caldera trying to force people into unixware pushed a lot of people to redhat. |
| 19:36:54 | kergoth | ah well |
| 19:37:00 | toolafial | well there were some interesting sales ideas back then |
| 19:37:08 | kergoth | i bet |
| 19:37:14 | prpplague | toolafial: let me tellya, openserver is good, but there are two major problems |
| 19:37:21 | JasonNJ | Random and Benoy can be fun sometimes |
| 19:37:34 | toolafial | Benoy got laid off |
| 19:37:36 | prpplague | toolafial: nothing ever gets fix, and there are very little tools to identify problems |
| 19:37:38 | JasonNJ | he did? |
| 19:37:40 | JasonNJ | wow. |
| 19:37:42 | kergoth | prpplague: here here |
| 19:37:51 | toolafial | yea, we got a new CEO and he brought his new ppl in |
| 19:37:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:37:53 | JasonNJ | I know Nancy Pomeroy left a while ago |
| 19:38:10 | JasonNJ | toolafial: Ransom isnt there anymore? |
| 19:38:12 | toolafial | prpplague : I haven't worked much with openserver |
| 19:38:13 | prpplague | toolafial: the other is that tcp/ip was never intended to be place on openserver, its a nasty hack for an old serial based os |
| 19:38:22 | toolafial | JasonNJ : he is , but he foucus more on United Linux |
| 19:38:42 | toolafial | prpplague : most of the ppl running openserver are replicated sites |
| 19:38:54 | toolafial | so all they use is serial |
| 19:38:58 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:39:38 | prpplague | is testing openserver2linux conversion tools at this exact moment |
| 19:40:08 | toolafial | there was a rumor that they were working on an openserver personality for the Linux kernel, but I think that has gone by the way side |
| 19:40:33 | JasonNJ | toolafial: I used to know all your PR people, we used to get out and get totally loaded at Forum |
| 19:40:54 | toolafial | The PR ppl from the SCO side? |
| 19:40:59 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 19:41:16 | JasonNJ | mormons dont like to get loaded, unfortunately |
| 19:41:22 | toolafial | ha ha |
| 19:41:25 | toolafial | yup |
| 19:41:34 | prpplague | toolafial: yes i have a copy of lkp, works fairly well |
| 19:41:59 | toolafial | when I did support I made my Unixware box look like Linux and my boss got mad at me |
| 19:42:11 | prpplague | toolafial: but really, why worry about putting new carpet in a house where the roof leaks? |
| 19:42:54 | toolafial | I know, I was bored |
| 19:43:04 | JasonNJ | toolafial: you guys dont have a 64 bit unixware anymore do you |
| 19:43:13 | JasonNJ | only a caldera for itanium right |
| 19:43:17 | JasonNJ | er openlinux |
| 19:43:21 | Twiun | heads off to bed... |
| 19:43:24 | Twiun | G'night folks |
| 19:43:31 | nadav | night twiun |
| 19:43:42 | toolafial | I'm pretty sure there will be 64 bit support in United Linux |
| 19:44:04 | JasonNJ | hey tony. |
| 19:44:09 | JasonNJ | got our web site up yet? |
| 19:44:11 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 19:44:33 | prpplague | terpstra promisied to fix lpr printing problems in openserver last year at linuxworld, its still broke... |
| 19:44:55 | JasonNJ | I met terprstra a few times |
| 19:45:07 | nadav | * George- added to ignore list. |
| 19:45:10 | toolafial | yea, I've been working with him latetly |
| 19:45:16 | toolafial | doing training for anew product |
| 19:45:28 | George- | nadav: shut up :) |
| 19:45:33 | JasonNJ | I stopped answering calderas' calls when they let my buddy go |
| 19:45:37 | JasonNJ | he reported to terpstra |
| 19:45:44 | nadav | George-: lol |
| 19:45:46 | frankps | hi all |
| 19:45:48 | toolafial | JasonNJ : who was you buddy? |
| 19:45:54 | JasonNJ | Juergen Kienhoefer |
| 19:46:03 | toolafial | oh, I didn't know him |
| 19:46:08 | JasonNJ | he was the brightest guy you had |
| 19:46:41 | benmeyer | what device on the z is ttyS3? |
| 19:46:44 | toolafial | probably, we got rid of a lot of good people |
| 19:46:49 | JasonNJ | yup |
| 19:47:03 | toolafial | they got rid of me twice and then decided to hire me back twice |
| 19:47:05 | JasonNJ | he designed the LKP |
| 19:47:19 | JasonNJ | fired and rehired twice? |
| 19:47:21 | JasonNJ | thats a new one |
| 19:47:26 | toolafial | laid off twice |
| 19:47:36 | JasonNJ | funny |
| 19:47:44 | toolafial | so I got severence and everything and a month or two later I got a job again |
| 19:47:50 | prpplague | toolafial: fun |
| 19:48:13 | toolafial | I wish I had known that was going to happen or I would have taken a good vacation |
| 19:48:34 | smbj | fs |
| 19:53:51 | pdq | benmeyer: ttyS3 == serial device in CF slot (I think) |
| 19:54:12 | numatrix | Yay! Just copied over my first demo QT app to my zaurus. (best Egor voice): It's alive!! |
| 19:55:03 | numatrix | What's it take to get an icon displayed on the bottom? Do I have to have a launcher icon for qtopia, and it will auto-generate it, or is something else required? |
| 19:55:45 | pdq | numatrix: desktop file |
| 19:56:35 | oob | hehe "It's aliiiive!" |
| 19:57:41 | pdq | in /home/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/ |
| 19:59:32 | gres | what should i do to do commercial software? |
| 20:02:49 | kergoth | gres: ? |
| 20:03:48 | benmeyer | ok, I have never bothered to set up serial on the z before and when I try to connect from my desktop I get a LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests. Anyone have any idea what I might be doing wrong? |
| 20:04:21 | pdq | using the sharp serial cable? |
| 20:04:36 | benmeyer | yup |
| 20:04:43 | oob | whoah! there's a sharp serial cable? where can I get one? |
| 20:05:02 | benmeyer | I got mine from someone here in sharp who brought it back from Japan |
| 20:05:04 | pdq | that is /dev/ttyS0 then |
| 20:05:07 | benmeyer | I know they are out ther |
| 20:05:08 | benmeyer | e:-D |
| 20:05:14 | benmeyer | yah |
| 20:05:23 | gres | kergoth: have i use commercial Qtopia SDK to make commercial sofware? |
| 20:05:34 | kergoth | benmeyer: uh, try using serial before using ppp |
| 20:05:47 | kergoth | benmeyer: establish basic communication before you add further possible points of failiure |
| 20:06:09 | jmhodges | ACK |
| 20:06:10 | pdq | also, run pppd with debug and look at logfiles |
| 20:06:21 | kergoth | benmeyer: cat < /dev/ttySA0; on the Z, let it hang, then cat /etc/inittab > /dev/ttyname on the desktop.. see if hte file comes accross cleanly. |
| 20:06:22 | jmhodges | im getting kernel panics when i try to scp over to my Z! |
| 20:06:26 | kergoth | jmhodges: fun |
| 20:06:29 | jmhodges | thats whats been freezing my comp! |
| 20:06:39 | jmhodges | but i couldnt get the output in X .. |
| 20:06:44 | benmeyer | That is what the debug message says |
| 20:06:56 | oob | does anyone else out there own a serial cable for their zaurus ? |
| 20:07:01 | kergoth | oob: yes |
| 20:07:05 | pdq | yes |
| 20:07:12 | kergoth | oob: it blocks the hardware keyboard, fyi |
| 20:07:14 | jmhodges | kergoth ill try to remember.. (i cant find it in my logs) |
| 20:07:17 | kergoth | jmhodges: k |
| 20:07:26 | jmhodges | think it was NULL pointer in virtual reference 000000008 |
| 20:07:45 | oob | kergoth - it blocks the hardware keyboard on the Z when you console into something? |
| 20:07:54 | pdq | 115200 |
| 20:07:55 | pdq | 192.168.130.101:192.168.130.100 |
| 20:07:55 | pdq | asyncmap 0 |
| 20:07:55 | pdq | crtscts |
| 20:07:55 | pdq | local |
| 20:07:55 | pdq | lock |
| 20:08:19 | prpplague | toolafial: are you are of the issues with openserver running on processors with thermal throtling? |
| 20:08:32 | oob | kergoth - any tips on how to go about obtainging one? |
| 20:08:53 | kergoth | oob: it blocks the hardware keyboard when you plug it into your Z |
| 20:08:57 | kergoth | oob: yeah, httpA://myzaurus.com/ |
| 20:09:03 | kergoth | s/A// |
| 20:09:04 | oob | thx |
| 20:09:26 | benmeyer | kergoth: /dev/ttyS0 on the z? /dev/ttySA0 gives me an error |
| 20:09:35 | kergoth | benmeyer: like i said, confirm that you can communicate via the serial port before you take on ppp, otherwise you're asking for trouble |
| 20:09:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: uhh it should be ttySA0. |
| 20:09:48 | kergoth | benmeyer: unless the sharp rom is completely insane. |
| 20:09:48 | pdq | yes, /dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:09:48 | benmeyer | on the 5000 |
| 20:09:54 | kergoth | bah fucked up sharp rom |
| 20:09:57 | kergoth | stupid motherfuckers |
| 20:09:59 | jmhodges | kergoth: right before hand (this is normal i belive)( i got "usb_uhci.c: process_transfer: fixed toggle" |
| 20:10:01 | kergoth | changing naming for no reason. |
| 20:10:06 | jmhodges | kergoth ? yuck |
| 20:10:10 | kergoth | the CORRECT ttyname is ttySA0. |
| 20:10:17 | kergoth | jmhodges: k... odd |
| 20:10:29 | pdq | why ttySA0?? |
| 20:10:39 | kergoth | pdq: all strongarm serial ports are ttySA* |
| 20:10:39 | prpplague | benmeyer: hey question, i was told be managers at officedepot and bestbuy that they would not be continuing to sell the sl-5500, whats the story? |
| 20:10:50 | benmeyer | no story |
| 20:10:52 | kergoth | pdq: read Documentation/arm/SA1100/serial_UART in the kenrel tree. |
| 20:11:29 | benmeyer | bla, well I am not getting any data on my z |
| 20:11:31 | jmhodges | kergoth: misspelled kernel |
| 20:11:32 | benmeyer | via that method |
| 20:11:40 | jmhodges | kergoth: you misspelled kernel in that path |
| 20:11:44 | jmhodges | er.. |
| 20:11:46 | jmhodges | not the path |
| 20:11:48 | jmhodges | in that command |
| 20:11:49 | jmhodges | yeesh |
| 20:12:02 | Cloudchaser | office depot and best buy are not going to sell the z's any more? |
| 20:12:08 | Cloudchaser | i read best buy wasn't |
| 20:12:51 | jmhodges | kergoth: can i do anything to fix it? |
| 20:12:54 | kergoth | Speedy2: I compared the registers that control the pwm to the leds... they're identical .. so something else is going on.. perhaps another register that isnt documented anywhere, even in the header file. its odd |
| 20:12:59 | kergoth | jmhodges: I have no idea what the source of your problem is. |
| 20:13:02 | jmhodges | ack |
| 20:13:04 | jmhodges | thanks kergoth |
| 20:13:53 | kergoth | gahh |
| 20:13:57 | kergoth | shoots LoCoMo |
| 20:14:44 | George- | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2042701863 <-- wtf is that shit? |
| 20:15:00 | pdq | so, ttySA0 is char-maj 204, ttyS0 is char-maj 4 |
| 20:15:16 | pdq | anyway, ttyS0 works (using it right now) |
| 20:16:09 | Speedy2 | George-: Sounds like major fraud to me |
| 20:16:17 | cranch | haha |
| 20:16:21 | cranch | bend over please |
| 20:16:22 | cranch | :) |
| 20:16:31 | prpplague | benmeyer: will we be able to buy the sl-5500 directly from somewhere? i'm going to need about 50 per month once i get the apps completed |
| 20:16:41 | pdq | 115200 |
| 20:16:42 | pdq | 192.168.130.100:192.168.130.101 |
| 20:16:42 | pdq | passive |
| 20:16:42 | pdq | noauth |
| 20:16:42 | pdq | nocrtscts |
| 20:16:42 | pdq | local |
| 20:16:44 | pdq | persist |
| 20:16:46 | pdq | ktune |
| 20:16:48 | George- | Speedy2: yep, probably ;) |
| 20:16:48 | pdq | proxyarp |
| 20:17:00 | benmeyer | prppauge: if you need that many then yes I can put you in touch with someone |
| 20:17:13 | George- | Speedy2: Either that, or he's selling a way to get factory write-offs |
| 20:17:30 | George- | Speedy2: Both ways, they're probably illegal :) |
| 20:17:59 | kergoth | pdq: yes, sharp likely symlinked them |
| 20:18:06 | kergoth | pdq: ugly hack. nonstandard. but what else is new. |
| 20:18:13 | pdq | nope, I checked |
| 20:18:28 | benmeyer | bla, tried it on another machine and couldn't get any output |
| 20:18:50 | treke | hehe, if you need 50 a month, I'm sure sharp would be happy to help :) |
| 20:18:59 | benmeyer | in the linux serial howto it says |
| 20:19:09 | benmeyer | In /etc/inittab, change the getty ttyS0 line to be: |
| 20:19:09 | benmeyer | s0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttyS0 |
| 20:19:15 | nadav | "probably"? |
| 20:19:26 | kergoth | benmeyer: okay fuck the howto |
| 20:19:29 | benmeyer | by default: s0:24:respawn:/sbin/getty 9600 ttyS0 |
| 20:19:30 | pdq | benmeyer: did you make sure that /dev/ttyS0 is free? |
| 20:19:34 | George- | nadav: hmm? |
| 20:19:46 | benmeyer | what do you mean by free? |
| 20:19:56 | kergoth | benmeyer: run minicom on the desktop. do you get a login from the Z? |
| 20:20:04 | benmeyer | pretty much the only difference there is the 23->2345 |
| 20:20:06 | pdq | you have to comment out in inittab, then do "init q" |
| 20:20:10 | kergoth | benmeyer: if not, fuck ppp.. you wont get it working until you get that much functionality up and running. |
| 20:21:27 | kergoth | bah, damn people dont listen to me.. the fastest way to debug a problem is to isolate .. remove the unnecessary possible points of failure, until you've nailed it down. |
| 20:21:31 | George- | man, the SD drivers are Sllllooooowwwwww |
| 20:21:40 | kergoth | leaving 50 variables in the mix makes debugging a bitch. |
| 20:21:42 | George- | They can't be *that* shit can they? |
| 20:21:54 | kergoth | George-: the Z doesnt take advantage of the speed sd offers |
| 20:22:03 | pdq | you need to comment out the line saying pd:5:respawn:/etc/sync/serialctl |
| 20:22:24 | benmeyer | kergoth: I am trying to remove possible points of failure. |
| 20:23:22 | kergoth | benmeyer: okay, then disable ppp on both ends. comment out every line in the Z's inittab referencing the serial port, including serialctl as pdq says. run init q. then do a basic test of serial port functionality. like the cat's back and forth. go from there. thats my recommendation anyway. |
| 20:23:37 | George- | kergoth: why not? |
| 20:23:52 | George- | kergoth: h/w or s/w problem? |
| 20:24:07 | kergoth | George-: hw. it doesnt use all the address lines |
| 20:24:08 | cranch | prpplauge...what are you talking about buying the Sl-5500 |
| 20:24:14 | pdq | I can email my scripts if you want |
| 20:24:20 | George- | kergoth: man.. that's so crap |
| 20:24:38 | benmeyer | bla time to go home |
| 20:25:07 | kergoth | George-: heh |
| 20:25:12 | benmeyer | will continue in the morning |
| 20:25:18 | kergoth | George-: hopefully they'll take full advantage of its capabilities in future models |
| 20:25:26 | George- | kergoth: yes, hopefully :) |
| 20:25:31 | George- | kergoth: fingers crossed! :) |
| 20:25:45 | treke | wonder if the ipaq uses them all. Somehow I doubt it |
| 20:27:01 | George- | kergoth: so what's the speed on the SD card? |
| 20:27:21 | kergoth | George-: hell if i know |
| 20:27:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:27:29 | kergoth | doesnt even own an sd card |
| 20:28:16 | Speedy2 | kergoth: This simulation has been going for over 10 mins |
| 20:28:22 | kergoth | Speedy2: nice |
| 20:28:29 | Speedy2 | The SD cards can be clocked at like 25MHz+ |
| 20:28:36 | Speedy2 | But it takes multiple transactions for anything to occur |
| 20:28:42 | Speedy2 | Since it's a serial interface |
| 20:29:17 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I did have to use a goto in C, but in this case it was justified |
| 20:29:22 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:29:26 | kergoth | i use gotos for error handling |
| 20:29:27 | kergoth | thats about it |
| 20:29:36 | hunger | kergoth: Could you allow me to edit the bugreports on SF? |
| 20:29:43 | kergoth | wtf does this mean |
| 20:29:46 | kergoth | /* MCS decoder for boot selecting */ |
| 20:29:48 | kergoth | hunger: sure |
| 20:29:51 | Speedy2 | kergoth: It was error handler |
| 20:29:57 | hunger | kergoth: I'd like to close one and assign another one to me, but I am not allowed to do so. |
| 20:29:59 | acf | how can i get bash to execute commands on login? ~/.bash_profile and such aren't working |
| 20:30:08 | hunger | kergoth: Thanks. |
| 20:30:08 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Chip_select decode I suspect... |
| 20:31:07 | treke | acf: ~/.bash_profile for login shells, ~/.bashrc for non login shells |
| 20:31:44 | Speedy2 | My brain is mush |
| 20:31:45 | Speedy2 | ugh |
| 20:32:06 | George- | Speedy2: i know |
| 20:32:09 | George- | Speedy2: =P |
| 20:32:19 | Speedy2 | keeps falling asleep |
| 20:32:56 | pdq | cat: /dev/ttySA0: No such device |
| 20:33:20 | kergoth | pdq: ? and..? |
| 20:33:37 | kergoth | hunger: you now should have full admin rights to all the trackers |
| 20:33:58 | acf | treke: they're not working on the zaurus, though |
| 20:34:07 | treke | acf: The zaurus isnt usin bash |
| 20:34:17 | acf | treke: i changed root's shell to be bash |
| 20:34:19 | treke | ~/.profile |
| 20:34:27 | acf | and it didn't work in ~/.profile, either |
| 20:34:32 | kergoth | Speedy2: do me a favor at some point will you.. take a look at http://linux-cl.bkbits.net:8080/linux-arm-2.5-collie/anno/include/asm-arm/arch-sa1100/locomo.h@1.2?nav=index.html|src/.|src/include|src/include/asm-arm|src/include/asm-arm/arch-sa1100 and see if you can find the registers for the frequency and the like for pwm, eh? |
| 20:34:33 | pdq | just to confirm that Sharp has chosen not to stick to Documentation/arm/SA1100/serial_UART |
| 20:34:41 | kergoth | pdq: ahh.. |
| 20:34:44 | kergoth | pdq: grumble |
| 20:34:54 | kergoth | pdq: nothing like being different just to be different, eh? |
| 20:36:08 | pdq | yeah, well, just noticed that the cell phone cable I bought today doesn't work either. |
| 20:36:13 | pdq | Time for bed |
| 20:36:18 | pdq | Bye, all |
| 20:36:23 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Whatc that simulation and go nuts |
| 20:36:40 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I'm literally falling alsep as i tpe |
| 20:36:48 | kergoth | Speedy2: hah, k |
| 20:36:57 | Speedy2 | Been up for 2 days straight |
| 20:37:00 | Speedy2 | Moving boxes and coding |
| 20:37:07 | kergoth | damn |
| 20:37:09 | kergoth | get some sleep |
| 20:37:13 | Speedy2 | I can't |
| 20:37:15 | Speedy2 | I have to finish this |
| 20:37:21 | Speedy2 | By 23:45 hrs |
| 20:37:24 | toolafial | I can't code when I'm sleepy |
| 20:37:28 | Speedy2 | I have no choice. |
| 20:37:35 | noidd | Wheeeeeeee..... |
| 20:37:36 | toolafial | Speedy2 : what are you working on? |
| 20:37:41 | oob | go speedy2 go speedy2! |
| 20:37:52 | Speedy2 | toolafial: Long story. A thread program |
| 20:37:59 | noidd | rm: WARNING: Circular directory structure. |
| 20:37:59 | noidd | This almost certainly means that you have a corrupted file system. |
| 20:37:59 | noidd | NOTIFY YOUR SYSTEM MANAGER. |
| 20:38:05 | toolafial | for work, school ... ? |
| 20:38:12 | noidd | time for a mkfs.ext2 :-) |
| 20:38:12 | Speedy2 | toolafial: Both. |
| 20:38:17 | noidd | never likes FAT anyways |
| 20:38:46 | toolafial | I stayed up all night working on a school project, and then the next day I figured out how to do it in half an hour |
| 20:38:48 | toolafial | I was so mad |
| 20:38:59 | kergoth | oh i hate that. |
| 20:39:11 | Speedy2 | Well...this is not such a case |
| 20:39:15 | mark | hi all |
| 20:39:16 | Speedy2 | This is mondo crazy |
| 20:39:21 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 20:39:22 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Just run that program for a few seconds |
| 20:39:35 | toolafial | multi-threaded stuff is always tricky, expecially when debuging it |
| 20:39:40 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 20:39:48 | noidd | erm, guys - is there any intellegence in SD cards? |
| 20:39:49 | Speedy2 | toolafial: The only thing I have at my disposal is printf |
| 20:39:49 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 20:39:52 | Speedy2 | noidd: Yes. |
| 20:40:06 | Speedy2 | Wow, I've spawned #92 of 100 |
| 20:40:10 | toolafial | no gdb or anything like that? |
| 20:40:15 | noidd | erm, errr. formatting it as ext2 has done something "interesting" |
| 20:40:21 | Speedy2 | toolafial: I suppose I could TRY gdb, but at this point...heh |
| 20:40:32 | toolafial | that's true |
| 20:40:41 | toolafial | I should learn gdb, but haven't |
| 20:40:48 | Speedy2 | I should mess with Insight |
| 20:40:52 | Speedy2 | Or DDD, etc |
| 20:40:54 | toolafial | well I guess I should say learn it better |
| 20:41:06 | toolafial | man I need a drink |
| 20:41:07 | toolafial | bbl |
| 20:42:01 | hunger | kergoth: I can't get rid of that bus error:-( |
| 20:42:23 | hunger | kergoth: I removed all the additional flags to the compiler, but even that does not help:-( |
| 20:42:42 | kergoth | hunger: ugh.. great... |
| 20:42:53 | kergoth | Speedy2: ddd works pretty well |
| 20:43:05 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I believe it. SNAV has hooks for Insight into it |
| 20:43:06 | kergoth | Speedy2: i just realized i dont have a compiler on our solaris boxen.. any of them |
| 20:43:08 | kergoth | Speedy2: hehh |
| 20:43:12 | kergoth | Speedy2: oh nice |
| 20:43:16 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I can DCC you the executable. |
| 20:43:21 | kergoth | Speedy2: k thatll work |
| 20:43:24 | Speedy2 | one sec |
| 20:44:12 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 20:44:26 | [DrEvil] | why is this thing not patching atd.c like it should |
| 20:44:48 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Accept |
| 20:46:20 | kergoth | heh, try again |
| 20:46:34 | Speedy2 | Run that mofo |
| 20:46:48 | Speedy2 | err |
| 20:46:51 | Speedy2 | it got messed up |
| 20:47:23 | oob | good night lads |
| 20:48:46 | kergoth | Speedy2: heh. its chugging along |
| 20:48:54 | kergoth | Speedy2: seems to be workin great |
| 20:48:56 | Speedy2 | What'dya think? |
| 20:48:58 | Speedy2 | Insane, no? |
| 20:49:01 | kergoth | quite |
| 20:49:08 | Speedy2 | You should have seen the inital versions |
| 20:49:11 | Speedy2 | Maaaan |
| 20:49:18 | Speedy2 | Each time a plane lands, a new thread is spawned |
| 20:49:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:49:37 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 20:49:46 | Speedy2 | It's an f'ing mess |
| 20:49:52 | Speedy2 | I'll show you the formal specs later |
| 20:50:04 | nadav | oh great |
| 20:50:06 | Speedy2 | Not necc. mentally challenging, but more like time consuming and demanding |
| 20:50:06 | nadav | fucking IE froze |
| 20:50:07 | kergoth | nadav: ? |
| 20:50:12 | kergoth | Speedy2: yes, definately |
| 20:51:31 | Speedy2 | Ok, I think I'll get me ~4 hrs of sleep and wake up and finish the busy work left for this |
| 20:51:33 | Speedy2 | Thanks for your help |
| 20:51:38 | kergoth | np, sleep well |
| 20:51:42 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 20:51:43 | Speedy2 | Thanks |
| 20:52:42 | cxm | has anyone set up the PersonalJava sdk on a linux PC yet? Is there a FAQ anywhere? |
| 20:54:05 | MYodaWork | is away: Oooops... Boss just walked in |
| 21:00:39 | [DrEvil] | growls at at |
| 21:00:48 | [DrEvil] | atd.c:452: #error "No mail command specified." |
| 21:00:51 | [DrEvil] | why why why |
| 21:01:06 | George- | OK |
| 21:01:13 | George- | I've installed the x11zaurus package |
| 21:01:17 | George- | and the icewm package |
| 21:01:19 | George- | how do I use them? |
| 21:01:26 | hunger | [DrEvil]: What are you trying to do? |
| 21:02:58 | toolafial | what do you thing he's trying to do, take over the world |
| 21:03:13 | mark | George-: 'startx'? |
| 21:04:14 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvideo |
| 21:04:17 | BigBoss | it's alive :) |
| 21:04:21 | BigBoss | I gotta run, back in an hour |
| 21:04:29 | George- | mark: there isn't one |
| 21:04:32 | nadav | BigBoss: sweet |
| 21:04:36 | George- | mark: I found it, command 'wm" |
| 21:05:27 | nadav | George-: i wanna hear how it is ;) |
| 21:05:32 | George- | nadav: hmm? |
| 21:05:43 | nadav | x11 |
| 21:05:46 | George- | it rocks |
| 21:05:49 | George- | I got IceWM on |
| 21:05:52 | nadav | lol |
| 21:05:56 | nadav | screenshot? |
| 21:05:58 | George- | I'm gonna download some SNES ROMs, and play Snes9x |
| 21:05:59 | George- | :)))) |
| 21:06:09 | George- | nadav: No, I can't be bothered, cos I'm evil! |
| 21:06:15 | nadav | lol |
| 21:06:15 | nadav | ok |
| 21:06:19 | kergoth | nadav: thanks to the work of prplaggue and mdz, we'll have a prebuilt initrd for OZ with X installed soon |
| 21:06:20 | Cloudchaser | you can play snes on z? |
| 21:06:34 | nadav | kergoth: sweeet |
| 21:06:35 | George- | Cloudchaser: yes |
| 21:06:42 | George- | Cloudchaser: If you get the Zaurus X11 packages |
| 21:06:48 | George- | kergoth: that rocks |
| 21:06:55 | George- | kergoth: I want a copy of X with KDE :))) |
| 21:07:01 | Cloudchaser | is it hard to get working george? |
| 21:07:04 | gres | do you know the command line arguments that are valid for all qtopia apps? |
| 21:07:05 | George- | Cloudchaser: nope |
| 21:07:17 | George- | Cloudchaser: ipkg install x11zaurus<blah>.ipk |
| 21:07:26 | George- | Cloudchaser: reboot, then hit / on startup |
| 21:07:26 | kergoth | George-: bah. try out matchbox, i hear it rocks |
| 21:07:37 | George- | Cloudchaser: go into console mode, then type "wm" |
| 21:07:43 | Cloudchaser | ok.. then how to get snes working? i have some roms |
| 21:07:53 | George- | Cloudchaser: you download the snes9x ipk |
| 21:07:55 | George- | Cloudchaser: and install it |
| 21:07:56 | cxm | BigBoss does the 'teens_undress' video listed in the screenshot come with the tkcVideo package??? |
| 21:08:11 | George- | kergoth: I've heard matchbox rocks as well, but KDE kicks ass |
| 21:08:15 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: word of warning, the current x11zaurus package will mess with your apm and will only work on the sharp rom not OZ |
| 21:08:15 | George- | kergoth: :) |
| 21:08:19 | toolafial | cxm: I was going to ask the same thing |
| 21:08:24 | George- | prpplague: APM? |
| 21:08:25 | Cloudchaser | mess with my apm? |
| 21:08:30 | George- | prpplague: It'll screw APM up? |
| 21:08:41 | toolafial | I'm gonna buy tkcVideo because Now I can watch my pr0n anywhere! |
| 21:08:47 | Cloudchaser | wonders what apm is |
| 21:08:50 | George- | toolafial: LOL |
| 21:08:57 | George- | Cloudchaser: Advanced Power Management |
| 21:09:06 | George- | Cloudchaser: like, turning off the screen, and battery status |
| 21:09:11 | toolafial | I don't think having teens_undress on the screenshots is a good thing |
| 21:09:12 | Cloudchaser | does it mess it up forever? |
| 21:09:18 | nadav | toolafial: can't be |
| 21:09:28 | nadav | i didn't notice it ;) |
| 21:09:39 | George- | prpplague: Do you just mean the power management? Cos I can live with that :) |
| 21:09:39 | toolafial | well for some sick reason I did notice |
| 21:09:56 | George- | toolafial: You sick minded...! |
| 21:09:57 | kergoth | George-: you probably wont be able to suspend your Z |
| 21:09:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:09:58 | prpplague | George-: mainly the power suspend modes |
| 21:09:59 | George- | toolafial: lol :) |
| 21:10:07 | George- | kergoth: My Z suspends OK.. I just checked! |
| 21:10:34 | George- | prpplague: Auto power suspends right? |
| 21:10:37 | Cloudchaser | forever or just while using the x? |
| 21:10:45 | prpplague | George-: the unit will not resume properly and i've had problems with the battery not charging |
| 21:10:58 | George- | prpplague: ahh, ok |
| 21:11:04 | George- | Cloudchaser: Only when you actually _run_ x |
| 21:11:09 | toolafial | George- : I know |
| 21:11:11 | George- | prpplague: Isn't the batt charge h/w implemented? |
| 21:11:38 | Cloudchaser | ok i could live with that.. can it be installed to SD card? |
| 21:11:46 | prpplague | George-: that was my understanding, but i suspended using x and the battery was dead next morning even though i was plugged into ac |
| 21:12:14 | prpplague | George-: remember this is using the sharp rom, i've not had any problems with the OZ rom |
| 21:12:24 | George- | prpplague: Ahh, ok |
| 21:12:27 | Cloudchaser | prpplague: so if you restart again after using x you should be ok? |
| 21:12:36 | George- | prpplague: Perhaps the thing wasn't plugged in properly? :) |
| 21:12:51 | George- | Cloudchaser: hopefully, from what I've heard anyway |
| 21:12:59 | Cloudchaser | k thanks guys. :) |
| 21:13:07 | Cloudchaser | i'll give it try, and back up before i do |
| 21:13:10 | George- | Cloudchaser: But x11zaurus is very unstable |
| 21:13:17 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 21:13:25 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 21:13:55 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: negative, the x package replaces the sharp apmd on startup, so unless you go back and turn it off on startup you will have problems with qt as well |
| 21:13:55 | Cloudchaser | maybe i won't then |
| 21:14:17 | Cloudchaser | oh i don't think i'll do it then |
| 21:14:38 | George- | prpplague: wtF? it replaces APMd? |
| 21:14:42 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: when i get to the house in about 1 hour i can forward you some urls with information |
| 21:14:52 | Cloudchaser | thanks prpplague: |
| 21:14:53 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 21:14:56 | prpplague | George-: ya the replaced one is called zapmd |
| 21:15:04 | George- | prpplague: why the heck does it do that? |
| 21:15:16 | Cloudchaser | i would like to play some snes games but its not all that much of priority that i'd mess up z for good |
| 21:15:22 | cranch | tkcVideo is out.. |
| 21:15:24 | cranch | any buyers? |
| 21:15:29 | George- | Cloudchaser: not for good |
| 21:15:35 | George- | Cloudchaser: a hardware reset should sort it :) |
| 21:15:50 | Cloudchaser | i'll buy it soon as i get my broken 256mb card replaced.. sent it back today |
| 21:15:56 | prpplague | George-: problem is that the apm suspend and frontlight are controled directly from qt , for x there needs to be a seperate api for calling these |
| 21:16:00 | George- | Cloudchaser: I doubt X11 rewrites the flash rom |
| 21:16:09 | cranch | now to get Videos for it |
| 21:16:11 | George- | prpplague: that's really strange.. |
| 21:16:11 | prpplague | George-: fastolfe used the zapmd for these functions |
| 21:16:17 | Cloudchaser | George- sounds like a bit of a production for some games |
| 21:16:31 | George- | Cloudchaser: hmm? |
| 21:16:54 | Cloudchaser | its a pita to do all that just for a game |
| 21:17:17 | whardier | wurd up twinkie butts |
| 21:17:20 | kergoth | waits for a kernel to build so he can compare the contents of every single register on the Z from 2.4.6 to 2.5.26 |
| 21:17:22 | George- | Cloudchaser: lol, I haven't installed X11 *just* to play SNES games |
| 21:17:23 | kergoth | hey whardier |
| 21:17:29 | kergoth | whardier: fucking leds still wont turn on |
| 21:17:33 | whardier | I noticed :) |
| 21:17:44 | kergoth | its fucked up |
| 21:17:47 | kergoth | they turned on once! |
| 21:17:50 | kergoth | and it was cool |
| 21:17:52 | kergoth | and they went aaway |
| 21:17:56 | nadav | George-: you installed it because you're evil, right? |
| 21:17:59 | kergoth | and i didtn change a damn thing |
| 21:18:06 | prpplague | George-: well it was a quick solution, but probably not the most long term conceince |
| 21:18:07 | whardier | kergoth are "your" leds gone? |
| 21:18:14 | whardier | tested with old rom? |
| 21:18:24 | kergoth | whardier: works flawless on a 2.4.6 kenrel |
| 21:18:31 | whardier | does /dev/tsled still exist? |
| 21:18:37 | George- | nadav: nope |
| 21:18:39 | kergoth | whardier: its something i'm not doing but was being done in 2.4.6.. |
| 21:18:43 | George- | nadav: I installed it cos I want to run KDE |
| 21:18:46 | kergoth | whardier: in the kernel we dont use that |
| 21:18:47 | whardier | ooooh |
| 21:18:47 | whardier | haha |
| 21:18:47 | whardier | well |
| 21:18:48 | George- | is a nutcase |
| 21:18:52 | kergoth | whardier: thats just the interface for user space |
| 21:18:52 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: ya worst case you can always reflash |
| 21:18:53 | whardier | look at the tsled code |
| 21:19:03 | Cloudchaser | Sugar make kergoth an Ice Tea |
| 21:19:03 | Sugar | atlantic ice tea or Long Island Ice Tea? |
| 21:19:05 | kergoth | tsled.. is that linked to sharp_led? |
| 21:19:05 | prpplague | George-: argh, KDE? |
| 21:19:06 | whardier | it is all wrapped around itself |
| 21:19:10 | nadav | haha |
| 21:19:10 | George- | prpplague: yep :) |
| 21:19:11 | whardier | I can help add it back in |
| 21:19:13 | George- | prpplague: I'm a nutter |
| 21:19:14 | nadav | kde |
| 21:19:22 | kergoth | whardier: tsled = sharp_led? |
| 21:19:25 | whardier | yeah |
| 21:19:28 | Cloudchaser | Sugar make kergoth a Long Island Ice Tea |
| 21:19:28 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 21:19:28 | kergoth | k |
| 21:19:37 | cranch | needs videos for the Zaurus now |
| 21:19:39 | kergoth | whardier: I read the code for that.. its a convulted ugly piece of crap |
| 21:19:44 | whardier | yeah |
| 21:19:46 | whardier | I read it too |
| 21:19:52 | kergoth | whardier: it calls these functions in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie_led.c .. |
| 21:19:54 | whardier | it is.. uncommented :) |
| 21:20:03 | kergoth | whardier: but all it comes down to, is LCM_LPT0 = LCM_LPT_TOFH; |
| 21:20:06 | kergoth | whardier: thats IT |
| 21:20:15 | whardier | yeah.. I was looking in there a LOT.. to make the LCD backlight come on before the FB device comes up |
| 21:20:16 | prpplague | George-: hmmm that creates a mental picture of a large opera singing fat lady riding a grey hound |
| 21:20:17 | kergoth | whardier: like 42 different functions calling each other to set one fucking register |
| 21:20:22 | whardier | I couldb't do it.. |
| 21:20:22 | whardier | heh |
| 21:20:25 | whardier | it was.. confusing |
| 21:20:31 | kergoth | whardier: spaghetti code. |
| 21:20:32 | George- | prpplague: ??? |
| 21:20:38 | prpplague | George-: KDE on z |
| 21:20:40 | Cloudchaser | Sugar make whardier a Mudslide |
| 21:20:50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: you the bartender tonight? ;-) |
| 21:20:52 | George- | prpplague: so? :) |
| 21:20:54 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 21:20:56 | George- | prpplague: It's sorta sane lol |
| 21:21:07 | Cloudchaser | i stumped sugar |
| 21:21:09 | George- | prpplague: I'm gonna shove KDE 'n' zgcc on my Z |
| 21:21:15 | George- | prpplague: with full devel libraries |
| 21:21:18 | kergoth | George-: you're broken. |
| 21:21:19 | George- | prpplague: and go mental! :) |
| 21:21:20 | Cloudchaser | have to teach her how to make Mudslides |
| 21:21:30 | kergoth | mmm mudslides |
| 21:21:30 | George- | kergoth: I am? |
| 21:21:34 | kergoth | George-: yep. |
| 21:21:37 | VerxWork | quick question |
| 21:21:48 | George- | kergoth: why? |
| 21:21:57 | VerxWork | anyone know how you set the name of your app so it shows in the title bar? |
| 21:22:14 | cranch | anyone have a prediction on when Qtopia Desktop will support OpenZ |
| 21:22:15 | VerxWork | I am inheriting from QMainWindow |
| 21:22:17 | George- | VerxWork: setCaption("blah"); |
| 21:22:31 | VerxWork | George-: Thank ye! |
| 21:22:34 | kergoth | cranch: a new qtopia desktop is coming out that'll work |
| 21:22:41 | kergoth | cranch: until then i'm releasing a rom that'll work |
| 21:23:17 | whardier | kergoth: are you not using collie_fb now? |
| 21:23:31 | kergoth | whardier: nah i dropped it |
| 21:23:35 | kergoth | whardier: its /dev/fb0 |
| 21:23:35 | whardier | ?! |
| 21:23:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:23:43 | whardier | dropped it? |
| 21:23:46 | whardier | put it back in! |
| 21:23:46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:23:51 | kergoth | i merged its support into sa1100fb.c |
| 21:24:01 | whardier | hehehe |
| 21:24:02 | kergoth | the fb works fine |
| 21:24:05 | kergoth | i tested |
| 21:24:06 | whardier | neat.. |
| 21:24:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:24:09 | kergoth | i see a penguin! |
| 21:24:13 | whardier | yeah.. that happens |
| 21:24:13 | kergoth | and i get a login on the lcd |
| 21:24:17 | cranch | kergoth...when are you releasing it? |
| 21:24:17 | kergoth | but.. no keyboard support yet |
| 21:24:27 | whardier | dude.. you are a silly mofo |
| 21:24:30 | kergoth | cranch: shortly |
| 21:24:41 | hunger | kergoth: Now you only need to make the LEDs blink the morse code for OpenZaurus;-) |
| 21:24:46 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 21:24:52 | kergoth | hunger: just randomly blink SOS |
| 21:25:02 | hunger | kergoth: No! |
| 21:25:19 | Mickey0 | kergoth: does the zaurus led construction support multiple brightness levels or is it binary? |
| 21:25:20 | kergoth | i can see the support questions now.. |
| 21:25:23 | hunger | kergoth: SOS should be reserved for when the unit crashed. |
| 21:25:30 | kergoth | "umm, there's someone stuck in my Z! he needs help!" |
| 21:25:32 | cranch | 2.5.x kernel kergoth..or just a modified Current OpenZ ROM |
| 21:25:49 | VerxWork | drizzle drazzle |
| 21:25:51 | VerxWork | drizzle drome |
| 21:25:53 | VerxWork | time for this one |
| 21:25:53 | kergoth | cranch: the next rom will be a maintainance release to revert the patch to opie |
| 21:25:55 | VerxWork | to go home |
| 21:25:56 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 21:26:22 | kergoth | Mickey0: not certain.. it uses PWM to mess with the leds, so its physically possible, but i'm not sure if the chip thats controlling it has a means for me to do it |
| 21:26:31 | kergoth | Mickey0: and the chip.. LoCoMo is completely undocumented. |
| 21:26:49 | hunger | kergoth: You should do it the other way around: user reports unit is stuck, you ask him to get a morse code table and decypher the error-code from the blinking leds. |
| 21:26:54 | Mickey0 | kergoth: damn. would be fine to have this. |
| 21:27:05 | kergoth | hunger: hehe. thats actually reasonable, a lot of devices blink error codes |
| 21:27:08 | nadav | haha |
| 21:27:17 | cranch | does anyone use those screen protector deals for their Zaurus? |
| 21:27:18 | kergoth | Mickey0: yes, it would. scanline wants the charge light to fade in & out like the ibook |
| 21:27:19 | kergoth | Mickey0: hehe |
| 21:27:23 | hunger | wants Blinkenlights! |
| 21:27:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:27:32 | whardier | heh |
| 21:27:44 | whardier | kergoth where is the kernel tree you are using now? |
| 21:27:44 | Mickey0 | :) |
| 21:27:49 | kergoth | but i cant get them to turn on at all yet. so what the hell |
| 21:27:52 | kergoth | whardier: the 2.5.x shit? |
| 21:27:54 | scanline | kergoth :) |
| 21:27:57 | kergoth | whardier: http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/ |
| 21:28:06 | whardier | bitkeeper! |
| 21:28:06 | George- | downloads the SNES rom for yoshi's island |
| 21:28:33 | scanline | kergoth: fading LEDs would kick ass... I would feel about fading LEDs kinda like whardier feels about alpha blending and stuff :) |
| 21:28:36 | hunger | kergoth: I'd love to replace the LEDs with laser-Leds and use the Z instead of that stupid optical laser-beam thingy that is used to connect buildings here:-) |
| 21:28:56 | jmhodges | greeat |
| 21:28:58 | whardier | why are you using bitkeeper!!! |
| 21:29:29 | toolafial | ... --- ... |
| 21:29:30 | whardier | scanline haha |
| 21:29:46 | whardier | scanline: you should see what we did with some 20x4 lcd's backlights |
| 21:29:48 | cranch | how do you save .zip files from Konqueror on OpenZ |
| 21:29:55 | whardier | some awesome sine wave fading |
| 21:30:14 | scanline | whardier: you should see what I did with 72 high brightness LEDs |
| 21:30:19 | whardier | haha |
| 21:30:20 | jmhodges | my usb0 disappeared again |
| 21:30:23 | whardier | you suck |
| 21:30:25 | whardier | you have too many toys |
| 21:30:28 | scanline | whardier: http://blinkenlights.sf.net/ |
| 21:30:29 | jmhodges | i think one too many kernel panics killed it |
| 21:30:48 | jmhodges | lol whardier, scanline |
| 21:31:00 | George- | scanline: Have you telnet'd to blinkenlights.towel.nl? |
| 21:31:19 | George- | scanline: The entire of StarWars Episode IV A New Hope in TEXT! :) |
| 21:31:31 | jmhodges | lol |
| 21:31:49 | scanline | George-: oh yeah.. You should have seen my roommate's face when I showed him that, he's a big star wars fanatic |
| 21:32:03 | hunger | scanline: I prefer this blinkenlights: http://www.blinkenlights.de/ |
| 21:32:05 | sieve | it's really well done too.. |
| 21:32:08 | jmhodges | kergoth: i have a better grasp of the panic's i was getting |
| 21:32:24 | George- | scanline: lol |
| 21:32:33 | kergoth | jmhodges: yay |
| 21:32:54 | kergoth | whardier: i'm using bitkeeper because it kicks ass :-) |
| 21:33:01 | scanline | hunger: that one's bigger, yes |
| 21:33:20 | scanline | hunger: but you can't run XMMS on it yet :) |
| 21:33:21 | whardier | kergoth: :( |
| 21:33:23 | hunger | scanline: I heared rumors there will be an improved version this year in paris. |
| 21:33:23 | jmhodges | kergoth: but its not much help ;) |
| 21:33:24 | whardier | I know it does |
| 21:33:30 | whardier | all but the not kicking ass part |
| 21:33:52 | scanline | hunger: ooooo.... |
| 21:33:53 | jmhodges | kergoth: i rarely get panics and when i do .. its usually something i had expected so i knew what i had to do ;) |
| 21:34:16 | jmhodges | sweet hunger |
| 21:34:17 | hunger | scanline: bigger building, 16 grey scales, something like that. |
| 21:34:24 | jmhodges | lol |
| 21:34:45 | scanline | hunger: wow.. imagine music visualization on that! |
| 21:34:48 | whardier | haha |
| 21:34:49 | whardier | no shit |
| 21:35:01 | kergoth | whardier: install bitkeeper, run 'bk clone http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.5-collie' |
| 21:35:06 | whardier | I kno |
| 21:35:07 | whardier | w |
| 21:35:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:35:21 | kergoth | then bk -r edit -q |
| 21:35:23 | kergoth | and have at it |
| 21:36:11 | hunger | kergoth: Damit... how am I supposed to get to that code now? |
| 21:36:15 | whardier | scanline: I am in the closet |
| 21:36:16 | hunger | grumbles with kergoth. |
| 21:36:26 | George- | prpplague: It's strage |
| 21:36:27 | whardier | because of this.. I was wanting to make some lights that go inside |
| 21:36:27 | whardier | heh |
| 21:36:35 | George- | prpplague: I keep getting IO errors with my SD card! |
| 21:36:39 | kergoth | hunger: hah. |
| 21:36:44 | whardier | like 32 lights per side that light up the walls up and down |
| 21:36:48 | kergoth | hunger: man, that blinkenlights pong looks awesome |
| 21:36:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:36:53 | whardier | left right volume meters |
| 21:37:03 | kergoth | hah, thatd be cool |
| 21:38:16 | cranch | who made that video of the blinking lights on the comptuer... |
| 21:38:17 | kergoth | whardier: note: read TODO in the bk tree |
| 21:38:19 | cranch | or who made that thing |
| 21:38:20 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 20 hours, 54 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: is away: home [Tue Jul 30 01:43:47 2002] |
| 21:38:20 | darienm | ibot seen Neo|Work |
| 21:38:21 | cranch | that is SWEET |
| 21:38:27 | | NeoTron was last seen on #zaurus 17 hours, 26 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: not only that, I have 3 days off [Tue Jul 30 05:11:34 2002] |
| 21:38:27 | darienm | ibot seen NeoTron |
| 21:40:57 | George- | omg! omg! |
| 21:41:04 | George- | SNES ROM for SimCity 2000! |
| 21:41:27 | nadav | lol |
| 21:41:56 | George- | I never knew SC2k was released for the snes! |
| 21:42:28 | nadav | well, you do now! |
| 21:43:19 | George- | lol |
| 21:43:23 | George- | don't say that |
| 21:43:35 | nadav | why not? |
| 21:43:37 | nadav | it's not a lie.. ;) |
| 21:43:38 | whardier | kergoth can you transfer in a new zImage from the booted rom? |
| 21:43:38 | George- | My dad always says that, and it really freaks me out when someone else says it |
| 21:43:43 | George- | lol |
| 21:43:51 | nadav | ah |
| 21:43:52 | nadav | hah |
| 21:44:13 | ljp- | well, you do now! |
| 21:44:19 | ljp- | hahahah |
| 21:44:21 | ljp- | well, you do now! |
| 21:44:46 | ljp- | is that whats freaks you out? |
| 21:45:40 | George- | blah |
| 21:45:42 | George- | shuddup |
| 21:46:21 | George- | s/when someone else says it/when someone other than my dad or ljp-/ljp says it/ |
| 21:46:35 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 21:46:53 | jbwiv | hello all. |
| 21:47:05 | jbwiv | Any apps out there for the Z that will read *.pdb files? |
| 21:48:09 | George- | yay |
| 21:48:11 | George- | Sc2k loaded |
| 21:48:13 | George- | it rocks |
| 21:48:17 | jbwiv | I tried QTReader for .pdb files, but it doesn't seem to work very well... :( |
| 21:50:07 | George- | l, |
| 21:50:09 | George- | ok |
| 21:50:14 | George- | where the HECK is the \ key? |
| 21:50:43 | jmhodges | next to the m |
| 21:50:47 | jmhodges | if i remember correctly |
| 21:54:24 | cxm | jbwiv do you mean iSilo files? |
| 21:56:18 | George- | hmm |
| 21:56:24 | George- | snes9x is pretty slow... |
| 21:57:00 | sieve | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:59:42 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:02:04 | nadav | yawns |
| 22:02:04 | kergoth | whardier: theeoretically, yeah |
| 22:02:12 | erikd | p |
| 22:02:13 | kergoth | whardier: the mtd device is writable of course, for the zImage as well |
| 22:02:14 | erikd | err |
| 22:02:16 | kergoth | whardier: i havent tested it yet |
| 22:02:25 | erikd | focus on the wrong program :) |
| 22:02:35 | kergoth | hate that |
| 22:02:51 | kergoth | i love focus follows mouse and all |
| 22:02:55 | kergoth | but i dont touch the mouse often enough |
| 22:02:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:03:13 | jbwiv | cxm: had a bit of a problem there. Don't know what you got of my message, but I'm basically trying to view a file called Lessons_In_Elec-iSilo.pdb. Any ideas how I can accomplish this on the Z? |
| 22:03:38 | jbwiv | or to anyone: looking for a way to view iSilo files on the Z |
| 22:03:45 | jbwiv | can it be done? |
| 22:03:47 | ljp- | well, if you love it so much, why dont you marry it? |
| 22:04:27 | jbwiv | or, if there's a way to convert iSilo to other formats.. |
| 22:04:41 | Wintre | jbwiv: Somebody here mentioned a Palm emulator which runs on the Z |
| 22:05:08 | jbwiv | Wintre: yes...that was going to be my last resort :). Is there no other way? |
| 22:05:38 | darienm | QPose is a palm emulator that runs on the Z. |
| 22:06:17 | Wintre | jbwiv: I have no idea. Probably your best bet is to find the original source; failing that, stick the .pdb into a Palm and make a normal text file out of it somehow |
| 22:07:11 | jbwiv | alright, thanks. |
| 22:08:20 | Wintre | I'm assuming you don't have the original |
| 22:09:09 | jbwiv | Wintre: nope...downloaded it from memoware.com. It's an electricity study reference. |
| 22:09:31 | jbwiv | so, anyone know of a good basic electricity reference/text in a format the Z can read? |
| 22:11:28 | George- | who's the guy that wrote up a website detailing his experiance with a Z? |
| 22:11:44 | cxm | it would be cool to read iSilo docs on the Z - but we'd need some help from compression hackers with the iSilo closed format |
| 22:12:00 | Wintre | jbwiv: Have you looked around the iSilo site? |
| 22:12:41 | jbwiv | Wintre: yes. they have versions for the Palm and CE. |
| 22:12:55 | toolafial | I've been working on it a bit, but I haven't found an isilo reader for the desktop |
| 22:13:08 | toolafial | I though if I could get the text then I could cut and paste it to text |
| 22:13:14 | jbwiv | cxm: and iSilo would also most likely bitch and moan, since they charge for the viewer (bastards :)) |
| 22:13:15 | toolafial | then convert to a format the Z can read |
| 22:13:30 | Wintre | jbwiv: I was wondering if any of their conversion tools worked in the right direction; they seem to have a fair number these days |
| 22:13:34 | cxm | jbwiv it's too bad - they should publish the format |
| 22:13:46 | Wintre | Their days are numbered anyway. |
| 22:13:52 | Wintre | Moore's law says so. |
| 22:14:03 | cxm | there is a body of stuff published in iSilo format though |
| 22:14:11 | cxm | it would be nice to read it. |
| 22:14:21 | jbwiv | Wintre: well, I guess I understand if someone needs to pay the bills, but I *really* want this text :) |
| 22:14:21 | Wintre | cxm: I can't imagine there's anything in iSilo format which isn't available elsewhere |
| 22:14:45 | jbwiv | Wintre: you'd be surprised |
| 22:14:51 | cxm | I'm not sure if their new format will catch on (I hope it doesn't as it's closed) |
| 22:14:59 | Wintre | Their reader is free for download, though I registered it. ISTR it was a pretty reasonable price, like most Palm software |
| 22:15:16 | cxm | Wintre they don't make a linux reader |
| 22:15:42 | cxm | closed formats just suck for published things |
| 22:15:52 | Wintre | Closed formats are the only way they could make a living. |
| 22:16:15 | Wintre | Though perhaps it wasn't a smart market to go after |
| 22:16:25 | cxm | not really - they could license their technology to competitors and win-win |
| 22:16:34 | jbwiv | You can download an eval version, but single-user license is $17.50 |
| 22:16:52 | Wintre | cxm: *snort* It's still closed. |
| 22:17:12 | Wintre | It's not like it's a gigantic market, either |
| 22:17:39 | Wintre | jbwiv: The eval version is probably sufficient anyway, but that presumes a Palm to read it on, anyway. |
| 22:18:06 | cxm | it's probably a growing market... think of all the PDA/cellphone crossover stuff that is happening |
| 22:18:23 | Wintre | cxm: It's a dying market. |
| 22:18:37 | Wintre | They build a format designed for devices which are constrained in memory and display ability. |
| 22:18:59 | Wintre | s/a format/software/ |
| 22:19:38 | Wintre | That's exactly the opposite of what is happening. The Z has a full-fledge web-browser on it, for crying out loud. It doesn't need software to compress and display a subset of HTM |
| 22:19:39 | Wintre | L: |
| 22:19:41 | Wintre | Bleh. |
| 22:19:47 | cxm | so... they will be superseded by MS-sponsored bloaty open-ebook which is designed to drive demand for higher spec machines? |
| 22:20:00 | sumeet_p | cxm: is it? |
| 22:20:32 | Wintre | cxm: No, they'll disappear in favor of bzipp2ed HTML displayed by Opera. |
| 22:20:35 | cxm | the Z might have a fully fledged web browser on it... it still croaks 'out of memory' all the time!! |
| 22:20:59 | hunger | cxm: Use the OZ 64/0 image:-) |
| 22:21:02 | Wintre | So far I haven't had that problem, but browsing the web on a Z isn't really a priority for me ;) |
| 22:21:04 | cxm | and opera sucks for large docs - it's just not optimised for that |
| 22:21:09 | hunger | s/image/kernel/ |
| 22:21:55 | hunger | cxm: Actually I run 40/24 which I find to be optimal: The whole of OPIE fits into 24MB and I still have 40MB RAM. |
| 22:22:04 | ljp- | mmmm rum and coke |
| 22:22:08 | cxm | call me biased but I just favour smaller and more efficient things |
| 22:22:15 | Wintre | You can argue with the example all you want. It's irrelevant. When PDAs commonly have a few hundred megs of RAM and high-res color displays, you don't need to go to any special lengths to display documents on them |
| 22:22:38 | sumeet_p | cxm: that's the classic realist vs. purist debate |
| 22:23:15 | Wintre | You can certainly choose formats or standards which are designed for and better suited to the particular environment, but you won't get nearly as strong a win when you do |
| 22:23:35 | George- | ok |
| 22:23:40 | George- | how do I get QPose to work? |
| 22:24:03 | George- | the roms won't show up in the documents tab! |
| 22:24:11 | sumeet_p | hmm |
| 22:24:14 | cxm | I just know, right now there is a lot of high quality material in proprietary formats. You can't read them on the Z mostly. There is not a lot of high quality bzip2-ed stuff that you can view with opera |
| 22:24:40 | sumeet_p | agrees with cxm |
| 22:25:14 | cxm | so, who's up for a compression hacking session? |
| 22:25:32 | sumeet_p | looks here and there |
| 22:25:49 | hunger | If only the guys on the glibc lists were more responsive:-( |
| 22:26:23 | Wintre | cxm: That's the state today, perhaps, but I'd be amazed if iSilo compressed HTML better than HTML. |
| 22:26:26 | Wintre | Err |
| 22:26:29 | Wintre | cxm: That's the state today, perhaps, but I'd be amazed if iSilo compressed HTML better than bzip2 |
| 22:26:47 | Wintre | In a couple of years there won't be any market at all. |
| 22:26:59 | Wintre | Though I guess you have a point in that it doesn't help so much today :) |
| 22:27:04 | cxm | Wintre, let's try... got a large HTML file handy? |
| 22:27:31 | sumeet_p | hmm cxm: one of the manuals off the gnu website shoudl do |
| 22:27:49 | cxm | let's see... |
| 22:28:09 | Wintre | Let's say the MySQL manual |
| 22:28:18 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 22:28:23 | Wintre | Ah, fuck. |
| 22:28:26 | jmhodges | this ought to be interesting |
| 22:28:30 | cxm | it has to be all in one file, ideally |
| 22:28:45 | Wintre | Yeah, it used to be. The Debian guys split it up. |
| 22:28:56 | sumeet_p | http://www.gnu.org/manual/ |
| 22:29:12 | cxm | http://www.mysql.com/doc/ |
| 22:29:18 | Wintre | [mike@lupinella:/usr/doc/mysql-3.22.32]$ ls -l manual.html |
| 22:29:18 | Wintre | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1545823 Feb 13 2000 manual.html |
| 22:29:49 | cxm | oh, got it... here goes |
| 22:29:51 | jmhodges | hmm.. you might also want to check the times of compression |
| 22:30:01 | sumeet_p | emacs manual is pretty big too, but hey whatever works .. |
| 22:30:03 | jmhodges | and decompression |
| 22:30:04 | Wintre | jmhodges: Nah, not really interesting, IMNSHO |
| 22:30:36 | Wintre | And, in fact, really hard to measure |
| 22:30:39 | jmhodges | Wintre: well were talking about webpages right? wouldnt speed be a nice factor but maybe im just whistling dixie |
| 22:31:05 | jmhodges | Wintre: it doesnt have to be scientific and little 'time bzip2 file' would work.. fine on the same comp |
| 22:31:09 | Wintre | jmhodges: The Palm is so constrained that sacrificing time isn't such a big deal |
| 22:31:28 | Wintre | jmhodges: At least IMSNHO. I think people would generally not mind waiting |
| 22:31:31 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 15:44:37) |
| 22:31:36 | cxm | I'm not bothered about the time it takes to compress, I just want to be able to read the end result on a handheld |
| 22:31:43 | W|GG-Libranet | is back (gone 15:44:36) |
| 22:31:48 | jmhodges | cxm: for time to decompress |
| 22:31:49 | Wintre | And testing decompression on a 16 MHz dragonball vs a 1.4GHz Athlong... |
| 22:31:59 | cxm | if it decompresses at one page every 10 secs, that's fine (get my drift?) |
| 22:32:07 | sumeet_p | my usual question around this time of day - has anybody got bluetooth working w/ the bluez stack on th eZ? |
| 22:32:26 | Wintre | 1545823 uncompressed, 314480 bzip2 |
| 22:33:15 | cxm | OK I got 2731446 Jul 31 00:52 msqlFull.html |
| 22:33:20 | Wintre | manual.pdb 678576 |
| 22:33:32 | Wintre | cxm: This manual is a couple of years old |
| 22:33:40 | Wintre | And I might add so is my iSilo bianry. |
| 22:33:46 | cxm | it will do for an example |
| 22:33:53 | Wintre | iSilo386 v. 2.55 |
| 22:33:58 | cxm | 508489 Jul 31 00:52 msqlFull.html.1.bz2 |
| 22:34:08 | Wintre | Feb 2 2000 iSilo386 |
| 22:34:24 | cxm | 1102428 Jul 31 00:53 msqlFull.pdb |
| 22:35:00 | Wintre | So, about half as good as bzip2. gzip on the manual I have is 416692, which isn't bad either |
| 22:35:08 | cxm | so... it's a shame PalmOS doesn't provide bzip2 :) |
| 22:35:13 | Wintre | But in short, iSilo isn't nearly as aggressive about compression as it could be |
| 22:35:48 | cxm | I'd still like to read stuff in that format - after all, if you can read it you can convert it to the format of your choice |
| 22:36:01 | Wintre | In Palm's defense I read a teensy bit about bzip2 once and apparently it requires a pretty hefty amount of memory during codec, so it's probably not a good choice on a palm |
| 22:36:04 | cxm | I don't want to have to install 5 different readers on my Z |
| 22:36:33 | Wintre | Well, my whole point is that the Z is capable enough that there's no market at all for proprietary formats like iSilo |
| 22:36:58 | Wintre | Proprietary formats like Word are of course another matter - those exist for other reasons than coping with a device's limitations |
| 22:37:20 | cxm | Wintre there's no _future_ demand maybe. But there is still a body of work in that format |
| 22:38:05 | Wintre | There's a body of work, yeah. Market is another matter entirely - and I'd say it's a matter of future demand; going into a dying market isn't very sensible |
| 22:38:24 | cxm | I'm not going into markets, I'm scratching itches :) |
| 22:38:40 | Wintre | I'm surprised indeed to hear that there's stuff only available in iSilo format |
| 22:39:05 | Wintre | googles |
| 22:39:21 | cxm | obviously all stuff originated in some other format - it's just that when your Palm owning friend beams you something, it just might be in iSilo format |
| 22:40:06 | cxm | I wonder if you can seek backwards in a bzip2 encoded stream... |
| 22:41:10 | nadav | i'm gone. later. |
| 22:42:32 | cxm | ls |
| 22:45:27 | [George] | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990105 |
| 22:45:28 | [George] | lmao |
| 22:57:44 | whardier | cxm: yeah.. you have to write a program :) |
| 23:01:40 | jmhodges | so what were the results? |
| 23:01:51 | jmhodges | wonders why even the usbdnet-standalone stopped working |
| 23:03:00 | Tharin | anyone know the default password for oz? |
| 23:03:33 | [George] | yes, nothing |
| 23:03:34 | oob | what's oz? |
| 23:03:41 | [George] | oob: Open Zaurus |
| 23:04:09 | hunger | Tharin: It is empty. |
| 23:04:13 | oob | ah! ok |
| 23:04:38 | [George] | man, I feel SOOO sorry for some dudes that work in tech support |
| 23:04:42 | hunger | oob: Ftp to port 4242 could have Qtopia or something though. |
| 23:05:06 | Tharin | hunger yeah that was it Qtopia |
| 23:05:10 | Tharin | hunger: thanks bud |
| 23:05:14 | cxm | is there a developing-in-Java-for-the-Z FAQ yet? |
| 23:05:23 | Tharin | hunger: do you run oz or sharp rom? |
| 23:05:29 | hunger | Tharin: OZ. |
| 23:05:41 | hunger | Tharin: Actually right now I run nothing at all :-( |
| 23:05:56 | Tharin | hmmm? |
| 23:06:09 | hunger | Tharin: I am messing with OZ and broke it. |
| 23:06:17 | [George] | cxm: There always was... |
| 23:06:29 | Tharin | haha |
| 23:06:32 | hunger | Tharin: Never play with glibc if you do not know exactly what you are doing;-) |
| 23:06:33 | Tharin | have cf reader? |
| 23:06:38 | hunger | Tharin: Of course. |
| 23:06:40 | cranch_ | wooohooooo I'm back |
| 23:06:42 | Tharin | good... |
| 23:07:04 | Tharin | I trieed installing oz without a cf reader and had zImage-26-20 in there isntead of just zImage |
| 23:07:11 | hunger | Tharin: I can just reflash it. But I'll just break it again since I have no clue what is causing my libc hassels. |
| 23:07:29 | Tharin | went to bestbuy and snuck my cf card in their zaurus to rename the file =) |
| 23:07:37 | Tharin | hunger ouch... that's crazy |
| 23:07:42 | hunger | Tharin: Hey, I had a wrong filename for initrd.bin;-) |
| 23:07:44 | [George] | cxm: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/doc/pdf/pjava_prog-gd.pdf |
| 23:07:55 | Tharin | hunger does your kernel stillload |
| 23:08:03 | | cranch_: huh? |
| 23:08:03 | cranch_ | ibot: see BigBoss |
| 23:08:10 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 3 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: I gotta run, back in an hour [Tue Jul 30 22:04:21 2002] |
| 23:08:10 | cranch_ | ibot: seen BigBoss |
| 23:08:20 | hunger | Tharin: Yes, kernel still loads, init does not start though. |
| 23:09:10 | Tharin | ouch |
| 23:09:31 | hunger | Tharin: I keep getting bus errors... No idea why:-( |
| 23:09:31 | BigBoss | what? |
| 23:09:41 | cranch_ | Hey Boss... |
| 23:09:42 | BigBoss | wow, we already sold 3,000 copies of tkcVideo |
| 23:09:44 | cranch_ | nice DivX player |
| 23:09:50 | cranch_ | cranch was #1 |
| 23:10:02 | BigBoss | just kidding :) |
| 23:10:05 | BigBoss | but go tell your friends |
| 23:10:17 | whardier | BigBoss what is tkcVideo based off of.. in reguards to the DivX decoder? |
| 23:10:34 | cranch_ | Windows Media Player |
| 23:10:37 | cranch_ | :P |
| 23:10:55 | jbwiv | wow...this is pretty weird....starting qpose from the command line, and somehow rotated the entire Qtopia desktop 90 degress :) |
| 23:11:13 | cranch_ | Boss..how many have you really sold |
| 23:11:33 | BigBoss | cranch: I don't know |
| 23:11:38 | BigBoss | whardier: we wrote it |
| 23:11:49 | [George] | BigBoss: Any screenshots of tkcRacer? (sorry to repeat, I was dead on IRC for most of today) |
| 23:12:08 | whardier | BigBoss: thats amazing that you got it done so fast |
| 23:12:33 | BigBoss | whardier: we're good :) |
| 23:12:42 | BigBoss | George: we hope to have it up for sale tomorrow, maybe thursday |
| 23:12:47 | BigBoss | we are just putting tkcMemo up for sale right now |
| 23:12:52 | whardier | BigBoss: looks a lot like the codecs that ffmpeg supports. |
| 23:13:55 | [George] | BigBoss: with screenshots? :) |
| 23:14:38 | jmhodges | sigh.. how do i keep killing usbdnet? |
| 23:15:05 | scanline | jmhodges: it's like nitro glycerin |
| 23:15:10 | cranch_ | service pack 3 takes like 3 days to install |
| 23:15:11 | scanline | you touch it... boom! |
| 23:15:26 | BigBoss | george: there will be screenshots of course :) |
| 23:15:31 | [George] | BigBoss: ahh, cool :) |
| 23:15:57 | cranch_ | BigBoss..do you own a Z? |
| 23:16:06 | jmhodges | lol scanline |
| 23:16:21 | cranch_ | is refreshing tkc's page to see tkcMemo first |
| 23:16:36 | treke|home | cranch_: no. He owns a little midget that follows him around to remember all of his appointments and phone numbers |
| 23:16:38 | [George] | cranch: yes he does, I mean, he only won in the Trolltech competition :) |
| 23:16:39 | jmhodges | scanline: i think one too many kernel panics killed it and made it not work .. even after a reinstall! |
| 23:16:46 | cranch_ | hehe |
| 23:16:56 | scanline | jmhodges: doh.. time to switch to 802.11 |
| 23:17:24 | jmhodges | yeah im real pissed |
| 23:17:31 | jmhodges | scanline: this has happened twice now |
| 23:17:41 | jmhodges | scanline: once with the .18 kernel and its patch |
| 23:17:52 | jmhodges | scanline: and now with a .19 kernel and a standalone! |
| 23:18:01 | BigBoss | cranch: yes I do |
| 23:18:11 | cranch_ | needs an 802.11 PCI card that works with Gentoo..... |
| 23:18:12 | BigBoss | I actually had about 5 of them |
| 23:18:12 | treke|home | BigBoss: You lowered the price on tkcVideo? |
| 23:18:13 | jmhodges | scanline: oh yeah and the panics were caused when i would scp a file over to my z! |
| 23:18:18 | BigBoss | I sent them to my employees |
| 23:18:19 | scanline | don! |
| 23:18:23 | scanline | err, doh! |
| 23:18:27 | BigBoss | treke: introductory pricing |
| 23:18:32 | treke|home | ah |
| 23:18:37 | cranch_ | bought in at $14.95 |
| 23:18:52 | hunger | jmhodges: Where do you scp to? The flash? |
| 23:18:59 | cranch_ | damn..no channel opps here...wondering if someone could kick my cranch user at home |
| 23:18:59 | jmhodges | hunger: er. .yeah |
| 23:18:59 | cranch_ | haha |
| 23:19:04 | jmhodges | hunger: no go? |
| 23:19:06 | cranch_ | hunger..anywhere |
| 23:19:15 | cranch_ | anywhere writeable I should say :) |
| 23:19:17 | hunger | jmhodges: I noticed that scping stuff to the flash causes the transfer to stall. |
| 23:19:32 | jmhodges | fucking hell |
| 23:19:36 | jmhodges | are you kidding me? |
| 23:19:39 | hunger | jmhodges: scp to /tmp and copy the stuff over and it will work. |
| 23:19:54 | treke|home | jmhodges: Yup |
| 23:20:03 | jmhodges | that sort of thing happened before when i wasnt using scp (i used ftp or something) |
| 23:20:06 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 23:20:15 | jmhodges | i have no idea how im going to fix this now |
| 23:20:18 | whardier | BigBoss: thats damn good.. heh.. and fast.. how many little peons do you have? |
| 23:20:20 | treke|home | probably a problem doing simultaneous writes or something |
| 23:20:25 | hunger | jmhodges: I guess the writting to the flash is just taking too long for ssh or something... |
| 23:20:33 | jmhodges | yeah think so.. |
| 23:20:39 | jmhodges | i thought it was something like that |
| 23:20:46 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 23:20:59 | jmhodges | i doo still have that .18 kernel around... somewhere.. |
| 23:21:04 | jmhodges | and a .17 one too |
| 23:21:06 | BigBoss | whardier: I'm not sure :) |
| 23:21:06 | jmhodges | hmm.... |
| 23:21:06 | hunger | jmhodges: Keep trying... sometimes it works. |
| 23:21:16 | oob | i always use /var/mnt/card as the target for scp, never any difficulties |
| 23:21:22 | whardier | BigBoss: heh.. |
| 23:21:23 | jmhodges | hunger: how should i "keep trying" the Sync button or wha? |
| 23:21:27 | cranch_ | still no tkcMemo on the site... |
| 23:21:30 | cranch_ | I keep refreshing :) |
| 23:21:41 | hunger | jmhodges: There is a sync button? |
| 23:21:47 | BigBoss | I just logged it to Handango a few minutes ago |
| 23:21:48 | jmhodges | hunger: on the cradel :/ |
| 23:21:49 | hunger | jmhodges: My Z does not have that... |
| 23:21:51 | BigBoss | it can take hours to show up |
| 23:21:56 | BigBoss | it won't be on our site till tomorrow |
| 23:22:00 | cranch_ | on tkc's site? |
| 23:22:01 | jmhodges | hunger:how didyou get it back? |
| 23:22:05 | hunger | jmhodges: Oh, the cradel... never took it out of the box:-) |
| 23:22:12 | jmhodges | hunger: i hate you |
| 23:22:15 | jmhodges | :) |
| 23:22:26 | BigBoss | for those of you that want to rip ogg files on linux, we just made our freely available ripper available :) |
| 23:22:31 | hunger | jmhodges: I ordered a ethernet CF card... only pull that out to flash:-) |
| 23:22:33 | BigBoss | ftp.rygannon.com/pub/OggRipper |
| 23:22:39 | BigBoss | working on the windows version next |
| 23:22:45 | BigBoss | and make sure it works on all distros |
| 23:22:47 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: how long will introductory price be for? |
| 23:22:55 | BigBoss | expects oggenc and cdparanoia to be installed |
| 23:22:56 | jmhodges | hunger: hehe then how do you know it starts working again? ;) |
| 23:22:57 | hunger | BigBoss: Free as in beer or speech? |
| 23:23:00 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: maybe a week |
| 23:23:11 | BigBoss | hunger: free as I hate RMS, but I'm giving the binary away |
| 23:23:16 | W|GG-Libranet | gonna boot into xp and play a bit of q3 before getting the girls to bed |
| 23:23:17 | BigBoss | I don't know about you but I pay for beer |
| 23:23:17 | hunger | jmhodges: I see that problem scp-ing stuff over ethernet. |
| 23:23:24 | jmhodges | hunger: oh |
| 23:23:34 | hunger | BigBoss: Even for free beer? ;-) |
| 23:24:00 | cranch_ | boss |
| 23:24:00 | cranch_ | ftp://ftp.rygannon.com/pub/OggVorbis/ |
| 23:24:00 | BigBoss | boy, quality of 3 with ogg vorbis 1.0 still sounds awesome |
| 23:25:45 | W|GGL|T | great...spam on the ZG list |
| 23:25:57 | scanline | is away: shopping |
| 23:26:10 | jmhodges | hunger: thanks btw :) |
| 23:26:27 | hunger | jmhodges: I didn't do it! Whatever it was;-) |
| 23:27:09 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 23:27:30 | [George] | BigBoss: why do you hate RMS? |
| 23:27:53 | BigBoss | long story |
| 23:27:59 | BigBoss | let me say this though |
| 23:28:12 | BigBoss | as soon as he get's married, has kids and works a normal job for 5 years, I want to see if he feels the same |
| 23:28:47 | [George] | BigBoss: You think he's too much of a fanaticist? |
| 23:29:09 | cranch_ | is clueless..who is RMS |
| 23:29:11 | cxm | I doubt he'll ever work a 'normal job' |
| 23:29:25 | hunger | BigBoss: I doubt he will ever get a normal job. He decided it's amoral:-) |
| 23:29:40 | jmhodges | cranch: Richard stallman |
| 23:29:45 | [George] | cranch_: stallman |
| 23:29:46 | oob | richard stallman |
| 23:30:05 | cranch_ | and part two: who is richard stallman |
| 23:30:06 | cranch_ | :) |
| 23:30:17 | oob | richard stallman is "mr gnu" |
| 23:30:23 | cranch_ | gothca |
| 23:30:25 | treke|home | cranch_: The man who wants to kill thekompany |
| 23:30:36 | cranch_ | why does he want to kill thekompany |
| 23:30:37 | [George] | lol |
| 23:30:43 | [George] | cranch_: he doesn't :) |
| 23:30:44 | cranch_ | offers his hitman experience to BigBoss |
| 23:31:04 | hunger | I respect him for sticking to his convictions the way he does. Wether those are right is something diffrent of course. |
| 23:31:16 | [George] | cranch_: He's the guy that created the GNU Foundation, the father of OpenSource (no flamewars or holywars, plz) and maker of the GPL/LGPL |
| 23:31:41 | cranch_ | I understand |
| 23:31:54 | whardier | ____ __ __ ____ __ ___ ____ |
| 23:31:54 | whardier | | _ \| \/ / ___| \ \ / / \ | _ \ |
| 23:31:54 | whardier | | |_) | |\/| \___ \ \ \ /\ / / _ \ | |_) | |
| 23:31:54 | whardier | | _ <| | | |___) | \ V V / ___ \| _ < |
| 23:31:54 | whardier | |_| \_\_| |_|____/ \_/\_/_/ \_\_| \_\ |
| 23:31:54 | whardier | |
| 23:31:56 | hunger | [George]: RMS is doing free software, not open source. |
| 23:32:00 | jmhodges | i would say father of Free Software.. |
| 23:32:03 | BigBoss | he would disagree about Open Source - he does Free Software |
| 23:32:13 | [George] | ok ok ok |
| 23:32:18 | [George] | shuts up |
| 23:32:21 | jmhodges | hehehe george |
| 23:32:28 | [George] | I...don't...want...a...flame...war |
| 23:32:33 | cxm | all the argument about terminology... a waste of time IMHO |
| 23:32:41 | jmhodges | argh |
| 23:32:51 | jmhodges | trys to figure out how to remove hotplugging |
| 23:32:56 | [George] | lol, if he doesn't believe in OpenSource, why the heck did he write the GPL and LGPL? |
| 23:33:22 | treke|home | [George]: He believes in free software |
| 23:33:26 | jmhodges | thats Free Software |
| 23:33:35 | treke|home | [George]: and considers them to be about two distinctly different concepts |
| 23:33:41 | jmhodges | Open Source is also the BSD licenses |
| 23:33:44 | [George] | hmm |
| 23:33:47 | [George] | is confused already |
| 23:33:55 | jmhodges | and other licenses |
| 23:33:56 | oob | i think it's fair to say that they are two distinct things |
| 23:33:57 | hunger | [George]: He believes that software should be free to build a better society. Opensource is about having the source code available to allow more people to hunt for bugs. |
| 23:34:29 | [George] | ahhh, ok |
| 23:34:44 | hunger | [George]: Those are completly diffrent aims. Check http://www.gnu.org/philosophy (?) for details. |
| 23:34:45 | BigBoss | he believes software "wants" to be free - I think software has no will |
| 23:34:48 | jmhodges | i would agree with you oob |
| 23:34:49 | [George] | I admire RMS, for what he's done |
| 23:34:56 | oob | once apon a time, the KDE crowd talked about stallman as if he was gates the devil and ariel sharon all rolled into one |
| 23:35:15 | treke|home | [George]: There are open source licenses that he believes are not "Free" licenses |
| 23:35:25 | [George] | treke|home: such as? |
| 23:35:41 | hunger | BigBoss: Nope. He believes software should be free or the society will go down the drain. |
| 23:36:04 | [George] | hunger: Yes, but I do recall him saying that s/w "wants" to be free |
| 23:36:08 | oob | #zaurs is starting to look like slashdot on a slow news day |
| 23:36:26 | hunger | [George]: Read the gnu pages. No use to talk things over here. |
| 23:36:40 | treke|home | [George]: Original BSD license comes to mind |
| 23:36:52 | hunger | It's not as if most of us have not seen simular discussions before:-) |
| 23:37:09 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:37:19 | cranch_ | did anyone have screenshots of tkcRacer? |
| 23:37:57 | [George] | hunger: I said, i don't want a holy/flame war |
| 23:38:04 | treke|home | [George]: same with the APSL |
| 23:38:05 | [George] | hunger: So I'm not *gonna* have a holy/flame war :) |
| 23:38:13 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:38:33 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 23:38:59 | jmhodges | maybe if i removed everysingle cord from theback of my computer .. myabe taht would get my usb0 back |
| 23:39:00 | jmhodges | 1 |
| 23:39:05 | jmhodges | yesssss |
| 23:39:12 | jmhodges | cord removalll |
| 23:39:36 | hunger | [George]: Well, if you want to spoil the fun... ;-) |
| 23:39:47 | [George] | lol |
| 23:39:52 | [George] | RMS 0wnnzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 23:39:53 | [George] | :))) |
| 23:40:11 | [George] | you are all 31337 wannabes! RMS is the ONLY 31337!!!! you all SUCK! :) |
| 23:40:17 | [George] | </flamebait> |
| 23:41:08 | treke|home | well he was involved in gnu emacs development, so he must suck |
| 23:41:14 | treke|home | </absolutetruth> |
| 23:41:26 | cranch_ | haha |
| 23:41:28 | cranch_ | no shite |
| 23:41:35 | oob | vi rules, emacs is gay :) |
| 23:41:50 | WhiteHat | hi there |
| 23:41:54 | hunger | treke|home: Don't forget all those other sucky gnu projects (gcc, glibc for example) |
| 23:42:06 | oob | and umm.. linux |
| 23:42:22 | WhiteHat | anyone using tkcVideo already ? |
| 23:42:41 | hunger | oob: That's about the only thing you can not blame on RMS:-) |
| 23:42:55 | oob | true :) |
| 23:43:17 | cranch_ | I watched a few clips on it WhiteHat |
| 23:43:21 | hunger | oob: ..or at least make it GNU/Linux sucks. |
| 23:43:26 | cranch_ | I have no "movies" to try it out with |
| 23:43:40 | WhiteHat | cranch: is it nice ? |
| 23:43:53 | cranch_ | seems to work well |
| 23:43:59 | WhiteHat | ok. |
| 23:44:05 | WhiteHat | btw |
| 23:44:15 | cranch_ | I wish I had a MOVIE to play on it |
| 23:44:20 | msmax | cranch_; http://www.pocketmovies.net/ |
| 23:44:29 | cranch_ | I got some from www.divx.com |
| 23:44:32 | cranch_ | thanks msmax |
| 23:44:36 | WhiteHat | msmax: ah... that's the url I was missing |
| 23:44:38 | treke|home | www.tkcpr0n.com |
| 23:44:48 | msmax | cranch_: want another? ;))) |
| 23:44:59 | WhiteHat | treke: hmmm, don't think so :) |
| 23:45:27 | msmax | http://www.pocketmovies.net/ |
| 23:45:35 | WhiteHat | is there any app that allows me to select multiple files and beam them ? |
| 23:45:37 | msmax | oh.. |
| 23:45:39 | msmax | http://www.pocketmatrix.com/ |
| 23:47:24 | msmax | treke: need need prOn movies? ;) |
| 23:47:42 | cxm | anyone tried the tkcMovie thing on a SL5000D? |
| 23:48:02 | msmax | cxm: it developing in SL5000D |
| 23:48:20 | cxm | will it show the starwars trailers from pecketmatrix? |
| 23:48:31 | msmax | cxm: yes |
| 23:48:41 | cxm | promise? I'm gonna have to buy it :) |
| 23:49:04 | msmax | it one from my test movies ;) |
| 23:49:21 | cranch_ | I'm IR sending one right now :) |
| 23:49:21 | cranch_ | haha |
| 23:49:51 | cxm | what's the FPS like? |
| 23:50:04 | cranch_ | don't know how you'd tell :) |
| 23:50:12 | cranch_ | anyone use those screen [protectors on their Z |
| 23:50:21 | cxm | and, how well does the audio sync up? |
| 23:51:33 | msmax | cms: hm... it show as normal movies.. may be i simple not understand you (i am russinan) |
| 23:52:47 | oob | msmax - it is not a good idea to irc from the root account |
| 23:52:50 | WhiteHat | "Our most recent clips were encoded using DivX 5.02" |
| 23:52:52 | WhiteHat | hmm |
| 23:53:03 | WhiteHat | I wonder if tkcVideo will support it |
| 23:53:10 | msmax | oob: sure ;) |
| 23:53:32 | msmax | WhiteHat: i can check it for you |
| 23:53:39 | msmax | what url? |
| 23:53:40 | WhiteHat | msmax: great |
| 23:53:46 | WhiteHat | www.pocketmatrix.net |
| 23:53:52 | WhiteHat | .com |
| 23:53:59 | WhiteHat | www.pocketmatrix.com |
| 23:54:02 | msmax | all clips from this site i use for testing tkcMovie ;) |
| 23:54:32 | WhiteHat | from pocketmatrix ? so they work ? |
| 23:54:39 | msmax | yes, then work |
| 23:54:46 | msmax | they, i mean |
| 23:54:54 | WhiteHat | oh great |
| 23:55:59 | msmax | remember, you can rotate images in tkcVide.. it very important for videos such StartWar what show with not right angles |
| 23:59:24 | BigBoss | WhiteHat: msmax is the one that wrote tkcVideo |
| 23:59:44 | WhiteHat | really ? |
| 23:59:46 | WhiteHat | eheh |
| 23:59:48 | WhiteHat | great |
| 23:59:53 | [DrEvil] | kergoth kergoth kergoth |
| 23:59:57 | BigBoss | please don't try to "borrow" our software |
