| 00:00:03 | VerxHome | for some reason, the QScrollView thinks I need scrollbars |
| 00:00:07 | VerxHome | and I don't. |
| 00:00:58 | ljp- | there's probably a setting you can tell it what size to show them |
| 00:01:17 | VerxHome | oh, ok, lemme look for something like that |
| 00:01:26 | VerxHome | ljp-: It acts different on the desktop side though |
| 00:01:55 | ljp- | ya.. some do that ;/ |
| 00:02:04 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 00:02:14 | VerxHome | I wasn't expecting to have this problem on my iPAQ |
| 00:02:19 | VerxHome | ponders |
| 00:02:56 | VerxHome | I mean |
| 00:03:00 | VerxHome | what gets me is |
| 00:03:14 | VerxHome | my tabwidget fit perfectly in portrait |
| 00:03:39 | VerxHome | but now that it is in a QScrollView, the same tabwidget won't even fit width wise in PORTRAIT mode! |
| 00:04:06 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 00:04:08 | VerxHome | resize policy |
| 00:04:12 | VerxHome | perhaps that would help. . .. |
| 00:07:00 | prpplague | was a bunch of the kernel code for the zaurus done in japan? you should see some of these comment sections |
| 00:08:11 | ljp- | yes, probably |
| 00:10:45 | [DrEvil] | Engrish? |
| 00:11:10 | ljp- | its just winderful that windows update crashes my win2k system |
| 00:11:19 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 00:12:04 | VerxHome | scrollarea->setResizePolicy((ResizePolicy) AutoOneFit); |
| 00:12:16 | VerxHome | I am trying to type cast AutoOneFit as type ResizePolicy |
| 00:12:22 | VerxHome | I am getting this in return: |
| 00:12:27 | VerxHome | dragonsheetwindow.cpp:40: `ResizePolicy' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 00:14:01 | ljp- | setResizePolicy(QScrollView::AutoOneFit) |
| 00:14:39 | ljp- | its an enum,, so its really like an integer |
| 00:14:45 | VerxHome | ok |
| 00:14:49 | VerxHome | :( |
| 00:15:50 | VerxHome | thanks ljp |
| 00:16:10 | ljp- | :D |
| 00:16:25 | VerxHome | either that policy isn't an appropriate one |
| 00:16:35 | VerxHome | or else it ain't workin |
| 00:16:47 | VerxHome | looks for something else that might help |
| 00:17:17 | ToyKeeper | To back up the Z with dd, what device should I use? Can I later restore it using a CF disk? |
| 00:18:44 | ljp- | I just use the backup program |
| 00:18:51 | whardier | with dd |
| 00:18:58 | whardier | just backup with / is mounted with |
| 00:19:12 | JasonNJ-home | evening. |
| 00:19:16 | whardier | the device names changed since the last time I did that.. so Id unno |
| 00:20:08 | JasonNJ-home | yo dudes. |
| 00:20:51 | whardier | I think /dev/mtd/1 |
| 00:21:05 | ToyKeeper | Okay, so if I make a "dd if=/dev/mtdblock/4 of=/mnt/cf/initrd.img", that's what I need to make it restorable? :) |
| 00:21:43 | ToyKeeper | I'm more accustomed to "dd if=/dev/mtdblock/1 of=/mnt/nfs/backup/root.img", but it's not much different... |
| 00:21:50 | ljp- | hey jason.. whazzz up? |
| 00:22:01 | whardier | oh tahts the one |
| 00:22:03 | JasonNJ-home | not much, just got back from dinner and movie |
| 00:22:03 | whardier | yeah |
| 00:22:08 | JasonNJ-home | K-19, very good flick |
| 00:22:14 | whardier | however you might have copy over write errors |
| 00:22:21 | VerxHome | cool Jason, I have REALLY been wanting to see that |
| 00:22:36 | whardier | if you can mount jffs2 as readonly then i guess it will work |
| 00:22:41 | VerxHome | my wife ended up wanting to see Goldfinger instead |
| 00:22:53 | JasonNJ-home | oh, I saw that one yesterady |
| 00:22:55 | whardier | Jul 28 Doroty ( 93) Hi, JASON, it's Doroty |
| 00:22:56 | JasonNJ-home | horrendous |
| 00:22:59 | whardier | I keep getting your porn mail Jason! |
| 00:23:01 | VerxHome | indeed |
| 00:23:08 | ToyKeeper | At this point, I don't see much use in keeping opie around.. I'll spend the next well, however long, trying to install all the X11 packages from fam-unstable... |
| 00:23:23 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 00:23:26 | VerxHome | ToyKeeper: To each their own |
| 00:23:32 | Wembly | for gawd sakes what in the hell is causeing this problem? |
| 00:23:54 | Wembly | usb new device not accepting new address=22 (error -110) |
| 00:24:02 | whardier | will probably follow ToyKeeper like a devoted little puppy |
| 00:24:37 | whardier | 1.1G Jul 28 19:05 Vampire_Hunter_D-BloodLust-HiQ-DivX.avi |
| 00:24:38 | whardier | heh |
| 00:24:39 | ToyKeeper | whardier: it looks like I'll have to be, uh, creative.. to get the touchscreen events translated so X thinks it's running on an ipaq. |
| 00:25:38 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:25:42 | VerxHome | can anyone tell me definitively if Qt/E supports truly auto scrollbars? |
| 00:25:44 | VerxHome | it appears not |
| 00:25:45 | whardier | some dude on this show |
| 00:25:52 | whardier | is named Rick Overton |
| 00:25:52 | whardier | he sued me |
| 00:26:03 | ToyKeeper | fam-unstable libc6 seems to work fine on the Z so far... and ntpdate.. haven't tried much else yet. |
| 00:26:06 | whardier | not the same guy |
| 00:26:21 | whardier | ToyKeeper creative nothing dude |
| 00:26:28 | whardier | there is a translator |
| 00:26:31 | whardier | err |
| 00:26:40 | whardier | I can actually handle the touchscreen driver |
| 00:26:40 | whardier | heh |
| 00:26:46 | whardier | its like 4 bytes different |
| 00:26:57 | whardier | /dev/ts instead of /dev/h3360ts something |
| 00:27:09 | ToyKeeper | I'll bug prpplague about it later. It sounds like he's got pretty much everything I need. |
| 00:27:18 | whardier | I dunno.. when Iwas mucking with it making the smoother program.. it did not bug me much |
| 00:27:26 | whardier | they should be compatable |
| 00:27:27 | ljp- | VerxHome: yes.. look at texedit.. no scollbars when you dont need then.. keep in mind just adding scrollbars makes your widget smaller |
| 00:27:30 | ToyKeeper | I still have to figure out how to get the MMC to remount properly after resume. |
| 00:27:46 | VerxHome | what do you mean, it makes it smaller? |
| 00:29:14 | ljp- | scrollbars take up space. .no? |
| 00:29:19 | VerxHome | yes |
| 00:29:25 | VerxHome | let me try to explain this a bit differently |
| 00:29:42 | VerxHome | if I have my tabwidget WITHOUT QScrollView |
| 00:29:55 | VerxHome | it fits width wise in portrait mode (240 pixels wide) |
| 00:30:13 | VerxHome | if I have my tabwidget WITH QScrollView as its parent, |
| 00:30:30 | VerxHome | the tabwidget won't even fit width wise in LANDSCAPE mode (320 pixels wide) |
| 00:30:42 | VerxHome | clearly the scrollbar isn't going to take up 100 pixels |
| 00:30:45 | ToyKeeper | whardier: http://comparametric.sf.net/ <-- I've been wanting to do this for years! |
| 00:30:46 | VerxHome | so something else is wrong |
| 00:31:22 | whardier | watis for that damn site to load |
| 00:31:34 | whardier | it might be the .. saturation.. of people downloading BastarD |
| 00:32:03 | whardier | I am pushing the full bandwidth :( |
| 00:32:21 | whardier | and downloading around 600KBps ATM |
| 00:32:30 | ljp- | whardier: you.. are you on a modem? ;) |
| 00:32:31 | whardier | OOH SWEET! |
| 00:32:40 | whardier | ljp- no.. cable |
| 00:33:07 | whardier | ToyKeeper I am gonna be at Arsenals in a few.. if you wanted to drop buy.. we are watching a few movies.. Shallow hal and Black HAwk Down |
| 00:33:22 | whardier | I was hoping to yab at you about a few things today atleast.. it can probably wait until tomorrow.. |
| 00:34:17 | whardier | I am pretty sure we could fund this project if the sub proto can provide the money.. "comparametric" |
| 00:34:27 | ToyKeeper | I might go there for a bit. Need to get ... out. |
| 00:39:17 | ToyKeeper | I was really surprised when I used embedded-konqueror for the first time.. thought it would be nicer than dillo. |
| 00:42:33 | Wembly | wtf is usb_control/bulk_msg timeout \n usb device not accepting new address=23 (error=-110) |
| 00:42:36 | Wembly | what does that mean? |
| 00:45:21 | angry | elloh |
| 00:51:18 | VerxHome | well damn |
| 00:51:22 | VerxHome | I am unable to figure this out |
| 00:53:40 | VerxHome | scrollarea = new QScrollView( this );^M |
| 00:53:41 | VerxHome | view = new DragonSheetMainBase( this );^M |
| 00:53:41 | VerxHome | scrollarea->addChild(view);^M |
| 00:53:41 | VerxHome | setCentralWidget( scrollarea );^M |
| 00:53:41 | VerxHome | scrollarea->show();^M |
| 00:53:47 | VerxHome | is there something horribly wrong in that? |
| 00:53:55 | VerxHome | in the way I am adding view to the scrollarea? |
| 00:54:19 | VerxHome | because it looks fine to me, but it is somehow causing view to take a LOT more room than if I don't make it a child of scrollarea |
| 00:54:21 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: whatcha need? |
| 00:54:31 | VerxHome | it seems like it disables the autoscaling of view |
| 00:59:01 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 00:59:05 | VerxHome | I guess that sortof makes sense |
| 00:59:14 | VerxHome | ponders for a moment |
| 01:00:28 | ljp- | thats because with a scrollbar, the viewport is now expandable |
| 01:01:08 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 01:01:13 | VerxHome | so I think what I need to do |
| 01:01:23 | VerxHome | is restrict its size horizontally to 240 pixels |
| 01:01:34 | VerxHome | that way it won't expand |
| 01:01:35 | VerxHome | which is a shame |
| 01:01:43 | VerxHome | because then when it is rotated, it won't fill the width |
| 01:02:16 | VerxHome | but the way QScrollView works, it doesn't pay any attention to the screen size and seeing if the widgets it contains COULD fit within the screen |
| 01:02:42 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 01:02:54 | VerxHome | ljp-: Is there a way I can figure out the horizontal and vertical resolution? |
| 01:04:29 | ljp- | of the screen? yes. |
| 01:04:32 | VerxHome | maybe I could just add the QScrollView only if it is needed |
| 01:04:40 | VerxHome | that way it would be fine in portrait |
| 01:04:48 | VerxHome | and in landscape, it would have scrollbars |
| 01:05:10 | VerxHome | actually, scratch that, I have to have it so it goes out of the way of the frigging input method |
| 01:05:11 | VerxHome | damnit |
| 01:05:16 | VerxHome | this is a real pain |
| 01:05:24 | VerxHome | I wish QScrollView wasn't so frigging stupid |
| 01:05:25 | ljp- | look at QApplication::desktop |
| 01:10:23 | angry | sandisk is coming out with a 1GB CF card :) |
| 01:10:33 | angry | itll be around $800 when it comes out though |
| 01:10:35 | angry | unless it already has |
| 01:10:36 | angry | heh |
| 01:12:05 | prpplague | mdz_: you still around?? |
| 01:12:25 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 01:13:28 | cranch | anyone home? |
| 01:13:28 | prpplague | VerxHome: you said it |
| 01:13:41 | prpplague | cranch: no, we have left the building, lol |
| 01:14:14 | cranch | I need to flash back to the Sharp ROM before class tomorrow....I'm trying to figure out how to do it from OpenZ |
| 01:14:15 | prpplague | cranch: come on in to the hub of conversation for sunday night! |
| 01:14:32 | jmhodges | ok i have usb-uhci |
| 01:14:36 | prpplague | cranch: should be pretty much the same |
| 01:14:44 | cranch | I'm trying to find the files though... |
| 01:14:53 | jmhodges | usbcore |
| 01:14:58 | prpplague | cranch: ahh, i think i have it bookmarked |
| 01:14:59 | jmhodges | usbdnet |
| 01:15:06 | jmhodges | all in modprobe'd |
| 01:15:06 | | sharp rom is at http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate.asp |
| 01:15:06 | prpplague | ibot: sharp rom |
| 01:15:24 | | prpplague: i'm not following you... |
| 01:15:24 | prpplague | ibot: evil rom |
| 01:15:38 | | prpplague: i'm not following you... |
| 01:15:38 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 01:15:43 | W|GGL|T | crap...i still have to get syncing working again...fresh install of linux |
| 01:15:55 | jmhodges | and an alias usb0 usbdnet in modules.conf |
| 01:15:58 | jmhodges | But |
| 01:16:01 | prpplague | cranch: anyway try the url from ibot |
| 01:16:02 | jmhodges | noooooooo usb0 |
| 01:16:15 | VerxHome | ljp, when you get a chance, I need you to explain QScrollView to me. I am so lost on this. |
| 01:16:33 | jmhodges | can anyone explain why? |
| 01:17:57 | cranch | I need to figure out how to format my cf card in OpenZ |
| 01:18:42 | cranch | I'd stay with OpenZ but I can't figure out how to get my tkc-apps to work |
| 01:19:56 | Cloudchaser | hullo |
| 01:20:11 | cranch | hey Cloud |
| 01:22:18 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 01:22:30 | W|GGL|T | REALLY doesn't feel like compiling a kernel tonight :o( |
| 01:22:59 | Cloudchaser | still fussing with your linux W|GGL|T? |
| 01:23:05 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 01:23:25 | W|GGL|T | first time ive been free all day an all i wanna do is sleep and read |
| 01:23:36 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 01:23:43 | W|GGL|T | gotta get the Z syncing again tho |
| 01:23:59 | W|GGL|T | unless i can do it by wifi, which i doubt |
| 01:24:08 | Cloudchaser | i do |
| 01:24:10 | cranch | I want to get my Z to sync again too.. |
| 01:24:16 | cranch | and use my The Kompany apps |
| 01:24:17 | Cloudchaser | with linux |
| 01:24:51 | cranch | on my Z.... |
| 01:24:58 | prpplague | cranch: you'll need to make sure you have a partition on your cf card, and then you can use the mkdosfs command to format the partition |
| 01:25:00 | cranch | I'm using OpenZ right now |
| 01:25:30 | cranch | I'm thinking of just going back to the Sharp Rom |
| 01:26:10 | prpplague | cranch: you probably don't want to use the autofs type function in mount command, use the -t option |
| 01:26:42 | cranch | to get the Kompany apps to work prpplague?. |
| 01:28:08 | prpplague | cranch: for reflashing back to the sharp rom |
| 01:29:45 | cranch | gotcha... |
| 01:29:59 | cranch | so I do what command? |
| 01:30:03 | cranch | mkdosfs |
| 01:30:07 | cranch | on /dev/hda1 |
| 01:30:08 | cranch | ? |
| 01:30:22 | cranch | do mkfsdos /dev/hda1 |
| 01:30:32 | cranch | then mount -t fat16 /mnt/cf |
| 01:30:38 | prpplague | yep, that'll wipe the the parition clean, so make sure you've backed you everything |
| 01:30:48 | cranch | I don't need anything s;0 |
| 01:30:55 | cranch | its clean to start with |
| 01:30:58 | prpplague | mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf |
| 01:31:23 | prpplague | cranch: once its mounted you can copy over your new rom files |
| 01:31:53 | cranch | its not currently mounted.. |
| 01:32:03 | cranch | but when I try to do that it says no such device or address |
| 01:32:33 | prpplague | cranch: your doing this on your zaurus or on a pc/desktop? |
| 01:32:40 | cranch | on my Z |
| 01:32:43 | prpplague | ohh |
| 01:33:06 | prpplague | cranch: sorry, i usually use a cf to pcmcia adapter on my desktop |
| 01:33:20 | cranch | no problem |
| 01:33:26 | prpplague | cranch: how did you get your OZ files on your Z? |
| 01:33:37 | cranch | through Qtopia |
| 01:33:43 | cranch | and then moved them by hand to /mnt/cf |
| 01:34:00 | prpplague | ahh via the usb? |
| 01:34:06 | cranch | yeah |
| 01:34:17 | cranch | I'm doing them through FTP now in Linux |
| 01:35:00 | cranch | but it won't format my CF card... |
| 01:35:06 | cranch | which I'd like to do |
| 01:35:27 | prpplague | cranch: ya i don't think BB has any of the dosfs stuff |
| 01:35:53 | prpplague | cranch: are you unable to mount the cf card right now? |
| 01:36:50 | cranch | I only have OSPACK on my /mnt/cf card |
| 01:36:53 | cranch | but when I hold the buttons down to flash, it stays on for a few, then when I reboot, it goes to OpenZ again |
| 01:37:24 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 01:37:37 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 01:37:41 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 01:37:44 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 01:37:50 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 01:37:57 | jmhodges | fuck it |
| 01:38:01 | cranch | I can umount it... |
| 01:38:06 | W|GGL|T | cranch: did you changed the name from ospack.rom to just ospack? |
| 01:38:09 | prpplague | cranch: hmm, you got me on that one...., sorry dude |
| 01:38:19 | cranch | the file name is ospack right now... |
| 01:38:21 | W|GGL|T | that's how i do it, otherwise the lights just stay on for a few secs |
| 01:38:35 | cranch | rename it to ospack..or ospack |
| 01:38:37 | prpplague | cranch: the only thing i can suggest is mount it, rm all the files and put your sharp rom files on it and try again |
| 01:38:57 | cranch | the only file I need to put on it is the ospack file |
| 01:38:59 | cranch | correct? |
| 01:39:06 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 01:39:40 | cranch | they are staying on now... |
| 01:39:54 | W|GGL|T | must not have pressed the buttons right |
| 01:39:55 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:39:58 | W|GGL|T | ive done that |
| 01:40:12 | W|GGL|T | pressing both buttons AND hitting the reset button is HARD |
| 01:40:27 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 51 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: heh [Sun Jul 28 22:48:43 2002] |
| 01:40:27 | prpplague | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 01:40:32 | cranch | they shut off after I typed that |
| 01:40:37 | cranch | and it goes right back to OpenZ |
| 01:40:52 | cranch | its easy if you hold the stylus in your mouth :) |
| 01:40:52 | cranch | heh |
| 01:40:57 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 01:41:18 | | cranch was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen cranch [Mon Jul 29 02:41:18 2002] |
| 01:41:18 | cranch | ibot: seen cranch |
| 01:41:23 | cranch | haha ;) |
| 01:41:25 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 01:41:31 | cranch | I need the sharp rom back... |
| 01:41:41 | | ibot is nothing but a spur-galled coagulation of dizzy-eyed jizzum. |
| 01:41:41 | cranch | ibot: insult ibot |
| 01:41:52 | cranch | yucky |
| 01:42:08 | cranch | there any way to format the CF card |
| 01:42:09 | cranch | ? |
| 01:43:28 | prpplague | mdz_: dude you around? |
| 01:43:51 | prpplague | man the deadzone rocks |
| 01:44:44 | cranch | the file should be called just ospack? |
| 01:45:52 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 57 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: heh [Sun Jul 28 22:48:43 2002] |
| 01:45:52 | darienm|dinner | ibot seen kergoth |
| 01:46:03 | | erikd was last seen on #zaurus 20 hours, 14 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: g'night guys [Sun Jul 28 06:31:07 2002] |
| 01:46:03 | darienm | ibot seen erikd |
| 01:46:06 | cranch | will beat up his Z |
| 01:46:15 | cranch | HELP :") |
| 01:46:20 | darienm | help? |
| 01:46:24 | darienm | wassamatter? |
| 01:46:30 | cranch | I'm trying to flash back to Sharp ROm |
| 01:46:43 | darienm | re: Dead Zone, can you believe that is Anthony Michael Hall all grown up? |
| 01:47:04 | darienm | cranch: using Windows? |
| 01:47:14 | cranch | nope...Linux |
| 01:47:19 | cranch | I ftp'd the file over through USB |
| 01:47:27 | Cloudchaser | i did it |
| 01:47:28 | darienm | I won't try and help then. |
| 01:47:36 | darienm | rekall? |
| 01:47:37 | Cloudchaser | put ospack in root of CF |
| 01:47:42 | darienm | oh |
| 01:47:44 | Cloudchaser | oh.. i got rekall working ;) |
| 01:47:50 | darienm | kewl |
| 01:47:54 | Cloudchaser | couldn't figure it out but thats another story |
| 01:47:57 | darienm | no thanks to me, I'm sure. |
| 01:48:05 | prpplague | darienm: ya he's playing the part great |
| 01:48:07 | darienm | I'll share my experiences with you some other time. |
| 01:48:08 | Cloudchaser | yes much thanks to you ;) |
| 01:48:30 | darienm | prpplague: I'm waiting for the show to mature so he loosens up a bit, he seems stiff. |
| 01:48:44 | cranch | has an idea |
| 01:48:44 | darienm | prpplague: which is understandable for a short time after the accident, but should not last forever |
| 01:49:29 | prpplague | darienm: ya, i know what you mean, but i'm afraid they're going to cut it short aka the original movie |
| 01:50:14 | darienm | huh? explain. |
| 01:50:21 | darienm | I just stumbled on the show by accident 2 weeks ago |
| 01:50:54 | prpplague | darienm: ohh, deadzone was based on a stephen king novel, in the early 80's there was a movie produced based on the book |
| 01:51:50 | prpplague | darienm: if you've not seen the movie, don't untill you've seen all of the new series |
| 01:53:56 | prpplague | argh, i need some direction from the OZ gurus, and no one is alive tonight..... |
| 01:54:07 | Cloudchaser | i need 2nd z! |
| 01:54:20 | Cloudchaser | good thing data's easy to restore though |
| 01:54:30 | Cloudchaser | i hard reset.. add something to test |
| 01:54:42 | Cloudchaser | then before work monday morning restore it to the way it was |
| 01:54:45 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: well, as i tell most computer teches, just infect a local biz with the klez and then charge them to clean it up |
| 01:55:44 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 01:57:21 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: hey you could buy a tuxscreen, i think there are a few left |
| 01:57:37 | Cloudchaser | whats that? |
| 01:57:40 | cranch | tuxscreen |
| 01:57:51 | cranch | it should take a bit to transfer 16 megs over USB correct? |
| 01:58:31 | darienm | cranch: over ftp? |
| 01:58:39 | darienm | cranch: good luck, the ftp server on the Z suxorz |
| 01:58:48 | darienm | cranch: you might want to use scp instead |
| 01:58:49 | cranch | just did it :) |
| 01:59:01 | cranch | scp was complaining about my host key :) |
| 01:59:18 | darienm | cranch: wow, stunning. I hatezorz using FTP with the Z. |
| 01:59:23 | cranch | prpplague...the FTP program I used was sending about 32k of it |
| 01:59:43 | cranch | gotta jet |
| 01:59:45 | cranch | later |
| 02:05:11 | prpplague | ljp-: hey are you familiar with the apm used on OZ? |
| 02:06:02 | ljp- | not especially |
| 02:07:05 | prpplague | ljp-: hmm.... |
| 02:08:44 | jmhodges | ok i have no Z |
| 02:08:53 | jmhodges | usbdnet is not working |
| 02:08:58 | jmhodges | is not feeling that hot |
| 02:09:48 | prpplague | argh, where's kergoth when you need him |
| 02:10:34 | cdm | poor ker |
| 02:12:08 | erikd | mmm |
| 02:12:11 | erikd | today's been fun |
| 02:12:13 | erikd | :) |
| 02:12:26 | prpplague | erikd: why? |
| 02:12:38 | erikd | i did -absolutely nothing- |
| 02:12:43 | erikd | which i haven't done in a long time |
| 02:12:58 | darienm | erikd ! |
| 02:13:04 | erikd | heya darien :) |
| 02:13:13 | erikd | i'm going to send you an email tonight |
| 02:13:25 | erikd | as soon as i fix some people's webservers =/ |
| 02:13:35 | prpplague | erikd: cool |
| 02:13:46 | darienm | erikd: need help with QT on my linux box. I have it compiled, but it wont run, gives an error about not finding the virtual framebuffer at /dev/fb0 |
| 02:14:23 | Speedy2 | darienm: Use CP/M. You don't have to worry about framebuffers or Linux |
| 02:14:34 | prpplague | BZFlag: !!! |
| 02:14:38 | darienm | bites Speedy2 |
| 02:14:48 | erikd | darien: there's a nice site with rpm's and everything |
| 02:14:52 | erikd | let me get a url |
| 02:14:53 | darienm | I wrote CP/M back in 1983 |
| 02:15:18 | erikd | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 02:15:31 | erikd | that's what i followed that finally worked :) |
| 02:15:52 | darienm | You're using the 1.5.0 version? |
| 02:16:00 | erikd | and qt designer 2.3 is in that qtopia rpm so we won't have version conflicts |
| 02:16:02 | erikd | uhh |
| 02:16:06 | W|GGL|T | need a bit of help regarding routing table on the Z |
| 02:16:12 | erikd | how would i find out? :) |
| 02:16:26 | darienm | the link on that page is for qtopia-free-1.5.0-1.i386.rpm |
| 02:16:35 | W|GGL|T | how do i add my gateway? I'm trying to use: route add localhost gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:16:38 | W|GGL|T | on the Z |
| 02:16:50 | W|GGL|T | where, localhost is the Z and the IP is my gateway |
| 02:17:01 | darienm | W|GGL|T I have instructions at http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php |
| 02:17:04 | erikd | darien: then yeah, that's what i'm using |
| 02:17:07 | W|GGL|T | lemme go there |
| 02:17:08 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 02:17:21 | Cloudchaser | you internet sharing with your pc W|GGL|T? |
| 02:17:45 | W|GGL|T | yeah but XP doesn't see the Z |
| 02:18:24 | darienm | W|GGL|T I spent about 2 hours with angry yesterday getting his XP config to see his Z |
| 02:19:19 | W|GGL|T | i usually rely on Linux but my main install took a dump yesterday and all i have now is a fresh install |
| 02:19:29 | W|GGL|T | haven't tweaked anything yet |
| 02:21:29 | darienm | I can point you to a page |
| 02:21:40 | darienm | http://zaurus.kruss.com/howto-ethernet-wxp.php |
| 02:21:44 | BZFlag | hmm. darienm wrote CP/M. cool. cept that CP/M existed before 1983. ;-) |
| 02:22:40 | darienm | I didn't say I authored the CP/M language, I said I wrote CP/M, as in "I speak Spanish" not "I invented Spanish" |
| 02:23:38 | BZFlag | darienm: heh. I knew that. just kidding around. |
| 02:24:36 | prpplague | BZFlag: can i get your $.02 on something? |
| 02:24:44 | Speedy2 | He's lying. BZFlag has no sense of humour. |
| 02:25:11 | Speedy2 | prpplague: If you're going ask about getting his $0.02 on getting $0.02 of something, don't. |
| 02:25:25 | prpplague | Speedy2: now, now, i can vouch for BZFlag, he has a sense of humor, but you have to buy him 4 pints of ale |
| 02:25:54 | BZFlag | Speedy2: heh. perhaps it's not me? |
| 02:26:02 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: =) j/k you know |
| 02:26:10 | Speedy2 | Or maybe you don't? |
| 02:26:11 | BZFlag | prpplague: hey, you know I don't drink. ;-) |
| 02:26:21 | Speedy2 | He's in UT...you figure it out |
| 02:26:54 | prpplague | BZFlag: you sure? ohh thats right your were the one with the virgin shirley temples on my tab |
| 02:27:35 | BZFlag | prpplague: heh, sounds about right. ;-) |
| 02:27:53 | prpplague | BZFlag: hey, pierre created a replacement apmd for the X package |
| 02:28:03 | BZFlag | ok, and? |
| 02:28:53 | prpplague | BZFlag: in the OZ build, we are using a pretty standard apm, would it be better to add a patch to the current apm or create a seperate app for use with x? |
| 02:29:35 | BZFlag | in OZ? we should use the standard apmd/apm |
| 02:30:02 | prpplague | BZFlag: ok so no additions/patches |
| 02:30:35 | prpplague | BZFlag: really the only big issue at this time is the frontlight control |
| 02:33:21 | BZFlag | prpplague: ah. I don't mind if there are patches like that, thought the "right" way to do it would be to have a scripts directory. |
| 02:33:34 | BZFlag | then users can edit the events easily. |
| 02:34:21 | BZFlag | see the /etc/apm/event.d/ directory in many linux installs including debian. |
| 02:34:25 | prpplague | BZFlag: hmm,similiar to the pcmcia structure? |
| 02:34:37 | prpplague | BZFlag: ahh ok, i'll have a look |
| 02:34:47 | BZFlag | yeah, similar. |
| 02:35:07 | prpplague | BZFlag: thanks, that resolves my mental race condition..... |
| 02:35:20 | prpplague | bowes to the knowledgable BZFlag |
| 02:35:24 | BZFlag | is beginning to design a replacement to sysvinit, /etc/pcmcia/* and /etc/apm/event.d/* |
| 02:35:37 | prpplague | BZFlag: nice |
| 02:36:08 | prpplague | BZFlag: BB style stuff with run levels? |
| 02:36:10 | BZFlag | Thing that are not handled now but should be like "kill -HUP named" on add/remove interfaces. |
| 02:36:34 | BZFlag | more like gooch's scripts with interscript dependancies. |
| 02:36:54 | BZFlag | no fixed "run levels" cause that's too restrictive. |
| 02:37:30 | BZFlag | I think the new system should handle suspend/resume events, and hot swapping including pcmcia, usb, etc. devices. |
| 02:37:51 | prpplague | BZFlag: hmm, how will you control different operating functions, i.e. single user, x, qt ? |
| 02:39:53 | prpplague | BZFlag: i mean i user sysvinit for my thin client fs because i can use r3 for serial, r4 for ssh, and r5 for x, will i be able to something similiar with your stuff? |
| 02:43:29 | BZFlag | /etc/init.d/qpe start |
| 02:44:19 | BZFlag | I'd like to have named levels. so you could pass runlevel=foo on ther cmdline and have init adapt. |
| 02:44:43 | BZFlag | and foo would "depend" on all the services you want started. |
| 02:45:13 | br33zy | BZFlag: ever played bzflag? |
| 02:45:45 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 02:47:35 | prpplague | BZFlag: reasonable |
| 02:48:12 | prpplague | BZFlag: seems like i read a nice whitepaper on init processess somewhere |
| 02:48:45 | kergoth | re |
| 02:49:02 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 02:49:33 | kergoth | not bad, you? |
| 02:49:41 | BZFlag | prpplague: probably gooch's artical for OLS? |
| 02:50:11 | roge99_laptop | not too bad .. |
| 02:50:24 | BZFlag | br33zy: uh, you mean the game I maintain? uh yeah, once or twice or 10,000 times. some where around there. ;-) |
| 02:51:59 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya i was just checking, just thats where it was |
| 02:52:09 | prpplague | kergoth: when did you sneak in |
| 02:53:35 | kergoth | prpplague: minute or two ago. hows it goin? |
| 02:56:24 | prpplague | kergoth: its going well now that i got the honduras install done |
| 02:56:47 | kergoth | prpplague: ah nice.. howd that go? |
| 02:56:56 | prpplague | kergoth: i was just discussing with BZFlag about a patch to the apm app |
| 02:57:11 | erikd | anyone of you in the milwaukee area that game and don't have anything better to do this thursday/friday/saturday? ;) |
| 02:57:16 | prpplague | kergoth: pretty well other than the guy down there barely spoke english |
| 02:57:32 | kergoth | prpplague: to do ...? to fix the issue with the unit not suspending when using X and opie botH? |
| 02:57:39 | kergoth | prpplague: hah, wonderful. i know how that goes. |
| 02:57:56 | prpplague | kergoth: well, the suspend seems to be working well from OZ |
| 02:58:08 | prpplague | kergoth: the addition i need is for controling the frontlight |
| 02:59:23 | kergoth | prpplague: err. controlling the frontlight via apm? i thought that was manipulated directly? |
| 02:59:56 | prpplague | kergoth: well it seems the /dev/collie-fl can only be writen to as ioctl |
| 03:00:42 | prpplague | kergoth: seems fastole just added an additional flag to the apm command |
| 03:01:18 | prpplague | kergoth: you think i need to do a seperate app for that? |
| 03:03:17 | kergoth | prpplague: hmmm.. good question. personally, i'd say the frontlight has nothing to do with (at least not directly) the apm system.. |
| 03:03:20 | kergoth | prpplague: what do you think? |
| 03:03:49 | kergoth | prpplague: I think there were alterations to /dev/apm to allow an interface to check full reset status, as well. I think thats questionable also |
| 03:03:49 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:04:16 | prpplague | kergoth: thats been the problem.... does adding it apm for space and convenience out weight the usage of a seperate app for readablity and conformatity? |
| 03:05:05 | prpplague | kergoth: i've leaned towards a sperate app, but i'm wondering what logic fastolfe used to add the changes to zapmd... |
| 03:11:30 | kergoth | prpplague: hmm. good question. opie and qtopia access the fl device directly, correct? |
| 03:12:08 | prpplague | kergoth: well, i'm not a qt or opie expert, but from what i can tell that is correct |
| 03:12:10 | kergoth | prpplague: splitting it into a seperate app for something as simple as an ioctl is almost overkill, given that there's no standard fl interface.. if there was.. i could see a general solution being preferred.. |
| 03:12:29 | Wembly | fl? |
| 03:12:37 | prpplague | kergoth: i assume thats why they didn't spend any time developing a more usable /proc entry |
| 03:13:13 | prpplague | Wembly: frontlight control |
| 03:13:20 | kergoth | prpplague: most likely. Someone should really standardize that interface.. but then, its just a interface to turn a light on and off.. course it'll only be useful in embedded environments.. hmmm |
| 03:16:24 | prpplague | kergoth: well ts and frontlight both are becoming pretty common attributes |
| 03:20:08 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 03:20:17 | kergoth | weird ass behavior.. i think i've got a VM problem |
| 03:20:19 | prpplague | as i was saying |
| 03:20:21 | kergoth | something is leaking |
| 03:20:27 | prpplague | kergoth: well ts and frontlight both are becoming pretty common attributes |
| 03:20:32 | kergoth | 3 apps just died at random |
| 03:20:39 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah. ts is taken care of by the input layer |
| 03:20:51 | kergoth | prpplague: so fl/bl is left without a standard interface..grumble |
| 03:21:47 | W|GGL|T | lol...you guys just see that post by Stan Norton on the ZG list? |
| 03:22:27 | prpplague | kergoth: well with your approval, for now, i'm just going to add a patch to apm for fl control, i.e. on/off 25/50/75% |
| 03:26:30 | kergoth | prpplague: k, go for it. i'll take note that we need a better solution long term. |
| 03:26:43 | Speedy2 | I think the backlight intensity is 8-bit PWM controllable. |
| 03:26:44 | ToyKeeper | prpplague: Do you have the touchscreen translator to make X think it's running on an ipaq? |
| 03:26:59 | kergoth | prpplague: actually maybe i'll drop an email off to linux-arm ML and see if anyone has any opinons. |
| 03:29:50 | prpplague | kergoth: just make sure think about your question before posting, lol, rmk can be very unforgiving..... |
| 03:30:05 | kergoth | prpplague: I've noticed :-) |
| 03:30:05 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: yes, mdz create a very nice app |
| 03:30:16 | Speedy2 | Really? RMK has always been pretty cool w/me |
| 03:30:32 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: if you give me an email, i can forward the code to ya |
| 03:31:06 | kergoth | Speedy2: he's cool, but he can be rough to those who are ignorant or speak before they think.. and its understandable ;-) |
| 03:31:13 | Speedy2 | Agreed number one |
| 03:31:19 | prpplague | Speedy2: ya, he's a really cool person to met |
| 03:31:29 | prpplague | Speedy2: full of fun stories |
| 03:31:39 | Speedy2 | prpplague: No doubt! |
| 03:32:13 | darienm | kergoth: Whoo hoo -- I'm gonna put OZ onto a fresh, clean Z tomorrow. |
| 03:32:31 | kergoth | darienm: nice |
| 03:32:46 | darienm | kergoth: it is possible by putting the files onto the RAM right? |
| 03:32:57 | darienm | kergoth: or is CF still a requirement |
| 03:33:07 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll be adding all my notes to a web page in the next day or so, you'll be able to dl it as well as other notes and tips |
| 03:33:13 | prpplague | kergoth: oops |
| 03:33:19 | prpplague | that was meant for ToyKeeper |
| 03:34:20 | kergoth | darienm: CF is required to flash it atm. unless you want me to build you a ospack image, could do that.. should in theory work with the sharp updater, but no one has tried it to date :-) |
| 03:34:40 | darienm | kergoth what's the worst that could happen? |
| 03:34:46 | Speedy2 | kergoth: When you re-flash a kernel, do you lose all data stored in RAM? |
| 03:35:03 | Speedy2 | Or do you just go back to old environment, etc? |
| 03:35:17 | kergoth | Speedy2: I'm not certain. I dont believe it messes with the contents of ram. |
| 03:35:24 | Speedy2 | Like, if you have a Z with no CF, store some names in the Addressbook, Flash, what happens? |
| 03:35:59 | kergoth | Speedy2: with OZ that data owuld be in flash. its safe |
| 03:36:00 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:36:15 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I see. RAM is just used for RAM then, eh? |
| 03:36:27 | kergoth | Speedy2: well, its split between ram and ramdisk |
| 03:36:31 | Speedy2 | How would it be in Flash if the MTD stuff isn't working? |
| 03:36:39 | kergoth | Speedy2: but default homedir for root (and hence, app settings) are in flash |
| 03:36:45 | kergoth | Speedy2: flash is only stuck readonly in 2.5.x |
| 03:36:57 | Speedy2 | I see. |
| 03:41:16 | prpplague | well, i've had all the fun i can stand for today...i'm off to drink a guinness and call it a night |
| 03:41:16 | ToyKeeper | prpplague: Er, try ipaq@xyzz.org :) |
| 03:41:27 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: gotcha |
| 03:41:41 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: you want the code tonight? |
| 03:41:48 | ToyKeeper | Doesn't matter. |
| 03:41:56 | ToyKeeper | Without it, I might actually work. :) |
| 03:42:14 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: let me wait till the morning when i can send some notes with the it |
| 03:43:01 | kergoth | Entered: collie_leds_event. |
| 03:43:01 | kergoth | collie_led_event: leds are enabled, led0_state=80, led1_state=80 |
| 03:43:01 | kergoth | Entered: collie_leds_event. |
| 03:43:01 | kergoth | collie_led_event: leds are enabled, led0_state=80, led1_state=88 |
| 03:43:04 | kergoth | hhmm |
| 03:43:06 | kergoth | nifty |
| 03:43:19 | br33zy | moo |
| 03:43:47 | kergoth | moooo |
| 03:44:00 | prpplague | guinness |
| 03:44:11 | prpplague | night all |
| 03:44:17 | W|GGL|T | nite |
| 03:44:46 | codemnky | yawn |
| 03:46:19 | kergoth | hey codemnky |
| 03:46:47 | codemnky | hey what's what |
| 03:46:51 | codemnky | where is everyone |
| 03:47:03 | codemnky | man i wish i had a wireless hub |
| 03:47:04 | W|GG-Libranet | sunday nite....sleeping |
| 03:47:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:47:12 | W|GG-Libranet | has a wireless hub! |
| 03:47:20 | codemnky | what should i get? |
| 03:47:22 | kergoth | hmm sleeping. i should do that at some point here. |
| 03:47:29 | W|GG-Libranet | i bought linksys |
| 03:47:31 | W|GG-Libranet | happy with it |
| 03:47:40 | codemnky | how much? |
| 03:47:45 | W|GG-Libranet | i need to sell my wired one now |
| 03:48:08 | W|GG-Libranet | this one was like $170 at BB, i need to do the rebate soon |
| 03:48:08 | Speedy2 | Hub or switch? |
| 03:48:30 | codemnky | yea that's the same one i saw |
| 03:48:34 | codemnky | blue with 2 anti |
| 03:48:38 | W|GG-Libranet | switch |
| 03:48:44 | W|GG-Libranet | yeah |
| 03:49:19 | codemnky | with the wireless flash card and hub, what speed do you get? |
| 03:49:46 | ToyKeeper | About 600kb/s. |
| 03:50:32 | codemnky | nice |
| 03:50:38 | ToyKeeper | BTW, the linksys wap+4-port firewall/hub product is, uh... flaky. It likes to forget its settings and spontaneously disable wired or wireless clients. |
| 03:50:52 | W|GG-Libranet | mine doesn |
| 03:50:53 | W|GG-Libranet | t |
| 03:51:01 | ToyKeeper | The linksys plain wap (just a bridge) works pretty well, though. |
| 03:51:05 | W|GG-Libranet | that's kinda a broad statement |
| 03:51:15 | ToyKeeper | Yes, it is. :) |
| 03:51:18 | W|GG-Libranet | heh |
| 03:51:19 | ToyKeeper | How long have you had yours? |
| 03:51:23 | codemnky | do you have the flaky=no switch set? |
| 03:51:32 | W|GG-Libranet | almost 3 weeks |
| 03:51:43 | W|GG-Libranet | er...2 weeks |
| 03:51:52 | W|GG-Libranet | lol codemnky |
| 03:52:03 | kergoth | gahhhhh |
| 03:52:06 | W|GG-Libranet | mine has been SOLID |
| 03:52:07 | ToyKeeper | I've heard of some which last up to a few months without problems. Maybe they've finally fixed them. |
| 03:52:08 | kergoth | takes usb-storage out back and shoots it. |
| 03:52:13 | kergoth | DIE |
| 03:52:23 | ToyKeeper | Mine works pretty well so long as I don't even think about touching it. |
| 03:52:48 | codemnky | brb |
| 03:52:56 | W|GG-Libranet | shit shit shit...i didn't back up my wireless Z programs |
| 03:52:58 | kergoth | has to reboot, AGAIN because usb-storage is flaky as hell |
| 03:53:02 | W|GG-Libranet | zic and wlanmon |
| 03:54:05 | Wembly | ugh! |
| 03:54:42 | darienm | just got qt sdk running, woot woot! Can access via X installed on Mac OS X and Win XP. Whee! |
| 03:54:54 | Wembly | darnit! |
| 03:55:03 | Wembly | it didnt catch any of the panic msgs :/ |
| 03:55:57 | ToyKeeper | Dangit. I've been avoiding hunger all day. |
| 03:56:11 | W|GGL|T | you guys just see that post by Stan Norton on the ZG list? |
| 03:56:16 | ToyKeeper | It keeps catching up with me. |
| 03:56:34 | W|GGL|T | ok...imma go smoke |
| 03:56:40 | darienm | W|GGL|T, summarize? |
| 03:57:31 | W|GGL|T | i guess he started something not long ago on the list about how he hated this and that about the Zaurus |
| 03:57:40 | darienm | oh, hrm. |
| 03:57:46 | darienm | well, plenty to hate. plenty to love, too. |
| 03:57:50 | W|GGL|T | he was complaining about all the negative feedback that he got back |
| 03:57:57 | darienm | back in a few, gotto home. |
| 03:58:38 | W|GGL|T | then he says he wants a refund from sharp and that if he doesn't get it, he'll get his attorney general involved |
| 04:00:13 | treke|home | his fault for buying it |
| 04:00:40 | erikd | his fault for hating it |
| 04:02:48 | erikd | i'm really good at killing conversations |
| 04:03:00 | Speedy2 | How much did he pay? Like $400? |
| 04:10:55 | BZFlag | W|GGL|T: someone tell him about ebay. sheesh. |
| 04:18:33 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 04:18:39 | W|GGL|T | damn whiners |
| 04:21:48 | Wembly | whered kergoth go? |
| 04:29:39 | cdm | kergoth is dead. |
| 04:29:44 | Wembly | *frownie* |
| 04:29:45 | Wembly | noo! |
| 04:29:46 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:29:55 | Wembly | anyhow know if he's coming back from his usb storage problems? |
| 04:53:23 | erikd | does anyone know how to add that little help button on the titlebar of a qpe app? |
| 04:54:04 | kergoth | re |
| 04:54:38 | erikd | kergoth: do you know how to add the little help button on the titlebar of a qpe app? |
| 04:54:51 | cdm | kergoth is dead. |
| 04:54:53 | cdm | don't talk to him. |
| 04:55:00 | erikd | ok then |
| 04:55:06 | erikd | tops |
| 04:55:09 | cdm | j/k as normal. |
| 04:55:09 | erikd | stops* |
| 04:55:14 | erikd | :) |
| 04:55:23 | erikd | well, he's not replying |
| 04:55:27 | erikd | so you may well be right |
| 04:55:28 | kergoth | erikd: create a .html in the appropriate place, and the ? is there automatically |
| 04:55:33 | kergoth | cdm: heh. whats goin on |
| 04:55:36 | erikd | kergoth: ah, ok |
| 04:55:36 | erikd | thanks |
| 04:55:39 | kergoth | np |
| 04:57:39 | erikd | wow, acrobat reader for linux is quite ugly |
| 04:57:59 | kergoth | bah, use ghostview or xpdf or something |
| 04:57:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:58:20 | erikd | looks |
| 04:59:01 | br33zy | rm -rf /dev/* |
| 04:59:02 | br33zy | oo |
| 04:59:04 | br33zy | lol |
| 04:59:31 | cdm | kergoth: Not too much. Been hacking on my irc client this weekend. |
| 04:59:54 | cdm | kergoth: wrote a lib (YAIL) for doing irc transactions and now I am doing a Photon UI. |
| 05:00:50 | kergoth | cdm: ah nice.. |
| 05:01:00 | cdm | http://qnx.wox.org/main.cc |
| 05:01:08 | cdm | simple test case for YAIL. |
| 05:02:52 | jmhodges | ok i need to make something work |
| 05:03:01 | jmhodges | either my usb networking |
| 05:03:06 | jmhodges | or cups |
| 05:03:17 | jmhodges | im in need of some help with the Z |
| 05:03:26 | jmhodges | i rebooted and poof my Z disappears |
| 05:03:51 | jmhodges | i finagle my kernel back after an initial screwup (long story) but i have yet to get back my z |
| 05:06:22 | erikd | is it good or bad practice to put help/html/appname.html and then have help/html/appname/morefiles.html? |
| 05:14:34 | jmhodges | hey sjohnson |
| 05:14:51 | sjohnson | jmhodges: hi |
| 05:26:44 | Speedy2 | hello cdm, kergoth |
| 05:26:59 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 05:27:19 | Speedy2 | I'm trying to sell this broken Toshiba laptop, but maybe I should fool myself into keeping, thinking one day I can use the LCD in some project |
| 05:27:25 | Speedy2 | (Active Matrix, 800x600) |
| 05:28:17 | W|GGL|T | someone on ebay may want it |
| 05:29:09 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 05:29:12 | Speedy2 | I guess that's one way |
| 05:29:15 | Speedy2 | But I hate eBay |
| 05:29:17 | Speedy2 | So, I won't do that. |
| 05:29:42 | W|GGL|T | near a LUG? |
| 05:30:15 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 05:30:20 | Speedy2 | Well, it doesn't work |
| 05:30:21 | Speedy2 | So... |
| 05:30:24 | kergoth | gah |
| 05:30:29 | Speedy2 | hag? |
| 05:30:37 | kergoth | no gah. |
| 05:30:46 | kergoth | I need to take a break from coding for like a week |
| 05:30:48 | W|GGL|T | some people may want other parts in it |
| 05:30:49 | kergoth | nothing going right |
| 05:31:05 | W|GGL|T | it may wind up in some battle bot |
| 05:31:06 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:31:10 | Speedy2 | I doubt it. |
| 05:31:12 | kergoth | the leds wont turn on. of all the stupid things, all you have to do to turn them on is set a value in a fucking register on the locomo |
| 05:31:26 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I could have told you that... |
| 05:31:36 | kergoth | Speedy2: told me what? |
| 05:31:51 | Speedy2 | That's you need to set a reg in Locomo. |
| 05:32:05 | kergoth | Speedy2: nono, i know what you have to do to turn them on, i have the netire time.. see myi problem is i'm doing that, but it isnt turning them on :-) |
| 05:33:01 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 05:33:08 | Speedy2 | You know there is a duty cycle and a frequency associated with the LEDs? |
| 05:33:20 | Speedy2 | So maybe you've enabled it, but either the duty cycle or frequency is too low |
| 05:34:27 | kergoth | i dont think so.. i dont see them doing anything regardnig that in the 2.4.6 code |
| 05:34:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:35:16 | Speedy2 | Well...check the docs, there is a duty cycle and frequency associated with the LEDs |
| 05:35:25 | Speedy2 | If I could get a datasheet on the LCD, then it's possible to use it |
| 05:35:34 | kergoth | err |
| 05:35:35 | Speedy2 | It is hard to find LCDs of that size... |
| 05:35:43 | kergoth | i'm confused |
| 05:36:00 | kergoth | but confusion isnt new to me, so thats alright |
| 05:36:11 | kergoth | yawns |
| 05:36:18 | Speedy2 | Ok, what confuses you? |
| 05:36:31 | kergoth | things not working when they should :-) |
| 05:36:51 | kergoth | I must be repeatedly missing something obvious in like every piece of code i work on recently |
| 05:36:52 | kergoth | or something |
| 05:37:10 | jmhodges | i give up |
| 05:37:15 | jmhodges | er.. sorry |
| 05:37:22 | jmhodges | didnt mean to hit enter on that |
| 05:37:28 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Dunno, don't have code, but does that code set the duty cycle and frequency for the LED blinky? |
| 05:37:30 | jmhodges | heh |
| 05:37:58 | kergoth | #define LED_ON(REG) ((REG)=((REG)&~LED_ONOFF_MASK)|LCM_LPT_TOFH |
| 05:38:23 | kergoth | static void led0_on(void) |
| 05:38:23 | kergoth | { |
| 05:38:23 | kergoth | LED_ON(LCM_LPT0); |
| 05:38:23 | kergoth | } |
| 05:38:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:39:04 | Speedy2 | God that's ugly code |
| 05:39:04 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:40:04 | kergoth | Speedy2: no shit. tell me, whats the point of the led0_on function? |
| 05:40:20 | kergoth | Speedy2: they have functions with no fucking purpose, as is spaghetti code is good or something |
| 05:40:47 | kergoth | s/as is/as if/ |
| 05:41:16 | kergoth | Speedy2: I'm not messing with any of the blink functions.. but they set other bits in that register.. |
| 05:41:39 | kergoth | Speedy2: I'm trying to follow this fucking spaghetti code to see if the code that turns on the charging light ever calls them.. |
| 05:41:46 | oGMo | heh |
| 05:41:57 | oGMo | that guy on the mailing list is such a troll |
| 05:41:59 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:42:13 | kergoth | what guy? |
| 05:42:16 | oGMo | totally incompetant |
| 05:42:30 | oGMo | ...incompetant troll, that is, only one reply? heh |
| 05:43:11 | oGMo | kergoth: oh, the bitchwhiner about the zaurus being bad or something |
| 05:44:03 | oGMo | "Stan Norton" <sjn@sjn.cc> Subject: Re: [Zaurus-general] ANNOUNCE - z2x 1.0. Advise: Seppuku for Sharp CEO |
| 05:44:17 | Wembly | wtf is seppuku? |
| 05:44:24 | kergoth | geh |
| 05:44:25 | jmhodges | its.. |
| 05:44:27 | kergoth | #define LED_BLNK(REG,X,Y) ((REG)=((REG)&~LED_BLNK_MASK)|LED_BLNK_VAL(X,Y)) |
| 05:44:31 | jmhodges | a form of japanes suicide Wembly |
| 05:44:37 | kergoth | thats awfully unpleasant stuff |
| 05:44:38 | jmhodges | its an honorable death |
| 05:44:49 | sjohnson | Wembly: Ritual suicide. |
| 05:44:59 | sjohnson | AKA Hara Kiri |
| 05:45:00 | jmhodges | involves taking a sacred sword and cutting from the right side of the body to the middle of the stomach |
| 05:45:05 | Wembly | i thought it was like... oh crap i screwed myself over ill go kill myself now type thing? |
| 05:45:08 | jmhodges | then twisting the blade upwards |
| 05:45:19 | jmhodges | and slicing til the solar plexus |
| 05:45:24 | jmhodges | very very painful |
| 05:45:43 | oGMo | with terminal effects |
| 05:45:45 | oGMo | ;) |
| 05:45:49 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: Speak from experience? |
| 05:45:56 | Wembly | aka i screwed up really really bad so in an attempt to apologize ill kill myself |
| 05:46:12 | jmhodges | if one could not complete it, you would have an assitant (usually a close friend or a servant depending) next to you that would behead you instead |
| 05:46:15 | jmhodges | heheh Speedy2 |
| 05:46:17 | jmhodges | hehe oGMo |
| 05:47:02 | jmhodges | remembers random things .. but didnt know there was a laundry day (sunday apparently) in his familys house for 10 years |
| 05:47:37 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 05:47:48 | Speedy2 | slaps jmhodges with a Downey Ball |
| 05:48:03 | jmhodges | i just found out a couple of months ago :) |
| 05:48:08 | jmhodges | lol Speedy2 |
| 05:48:12 | oGMo | heh |
| 05:49:50 | kergoth | case LED_CHARGER_CHARGING: |
| 05:49:50 | kergoth | led0_on(); |
| 05:49:50 | kergoth | return; |
| 05:49:54 | kergoth | thats what i was lookign for |
| 05:50:33 | jmhodges | hehehee |
| 05:50:54 | Wembly | jmhodges: laundry? |
| 05:50:56 | Wembly | whats that? |
| 05:51:19 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Wow, that's really clever code (NOT) |
| 05:51:26 | Wembly | my cloths pick themselfs up and materialize in my closet :) |
| 05:51:30 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The Snav *should* help with this kind of crap |
| 05:51:40 | Wembly | Snav? |
| 05:51:44 | | snav is http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:51:44 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav? |
| 05:52:21 | kergoth | Speedy2: following trails back and forth and back and forth..yes, xref... |
| 05:52:36 | kergoth | Speedy2: see as i said, i need to remember to actually run it, and it'll help me. hehe |
| 05:52:58 | Speedy2 | slaps kergoth with the Source Navigator |
| 05:53:01 | Speedy2 | REMEMBER |
| 05:54:29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:55:05 | Wembly | this is so incredably sadistic. |
| 05:55:07 | Wembly | ill bbl |
| 05:55:13 | Wembly | i gotta reboot before i crash my system again |
| 05:55:16 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:55:24 | kergoth | from what i can tell, the suspend_collie_charge_on function calls CHARGE_LED_ON and CHARGE_ON .. CHARGE_LED_ON calls collie_led0_process(), which calls led0_on, which calls LED_ON(LCM_LPT0); |
| 05:55:43 | Speedy2 | Wow...what an INTELLIGENT way to write such things |
| 05:55:55 | kergoth | Speedy2: so in its essense, all it does to turn on led0 is | the register with LCM_LPT_TOFH |
| 05:56:02 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 05:56:03 | kergoth | Speedy2: heh. yeah, nice and CLEAR wouldnt you say? |
| 05:56:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:56:11 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:56:16 | Speedy2 | It usually boils down to one line of "muscle" and 50 lines of fluff |
| 05:56:21 | kergoth | yep exactly |
| 05:56:26 | kergoth | lets jump through 12 hoops |
| 05:56:27 | kergoth | wheeeee |
| 05:56:58 | kergoth | and just htink.. there's a sharp_led character device that uses this api |
| 05:57:01 | kergoth | s/htink/think/ |
| 05:57:19 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 05:57:30 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:57:48 | kergoth | triple checks the headers to ensure his LCM_LPT0 is set to the right virtual address to the register |
| 05:58:06 | W|GG-Libranet | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:58:13 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 05:58:18 | sig | sup |
| 05:58:37 | kergoth | Speedy2: I'd almost think there's something wrong with my use of locomo in general... imagine how many problems that'd cause.. |
| 05:58:41 | sig | W|GG-Libranet: you get 2.0 fixed? |
| 05:58:52 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Wouldn't know with out the docs...and guess who's not puttin' out? |
| 05:59:35 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah exactly. knowing how to use all the various i/o pins is well and good, but without information on its operation and registers, i'm still left to the mercy of the ugly existing code |
| 05:59:42 | kergoth | ah well |
| 06:00:54 | kergoth | Speedy2: shit, i forgot i had only created a snav project for the new tree, not for the 2.4.6 tree |
| 06:00:57 | kergoth | waits for it to parse |
| 06:01:32 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 06:01:36 | Speedy2 | Be lucky you have SCSI |
| 06:01:49 | Speedy2 | Imagine the ripatude of it. |
| 06:01:58 | kergoth | indeed |
| 06:03:03 | Speedy2 | I imagine SCSI as multi-ported machine gun and IDE has a hand pistol |
| 06:03:09 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:03:39 | Speedy2 | has == as |
| 06:04:03 | cdm | hey Speedy2 |
| 06:04:05 | Speedy2 | Goddamn, I can't wait until new SCSI card arrives |
| 06:04:12 | Speedy2 | Well well well, if it ain't cdm |
| 06:04:31 | Speedy2 | cdm: Want a piece of funky music? |
| 06:04:41 | Speedy2 | I'll take that as a yes |
| 06:04:46 | Speedy2 | Maybe I already sent? |
| 06:04:48 | Speedy2 | we'll see |
| 06:04:58 | cdm | huh? |
| 06:05:22 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:08:01 | Speedy2 | cdm |
| 06:08:03 | Speedy2 | Ever used sem_trywait() ? |
| 06:19:35 | Wembly | ok back |
| 06:19:43 | Wembly | whats snav? |
| 06:20:33 | | snav is http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:20:33 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav? |
| 06:20:54 | Speedy2 | What is Source-Navigator? |
| 06:20:54 | Speedy2 | Source-Navigator is a source code analysis tool. With it, you can edit your source code, display relationships between classes and functions and members, and display call |
| 06:20:54 | Speedy2 | trees. You can also build your projects, either with your own makefile, or by using Source-Navigator's build system to automatically generate a makefile. |
| 06:21:21 | | OK, Speedy2. |
| 06:21:21 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav Source-Navigator is a source code analysis tool. With it, you can edit your source code, display relationships between classes and functions and members, and display call trees. You can also build your projects, either with your own makefile, or by using Source-Navigator's build system to automatically generate a makefile. See: http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:21:38 | | it has been said that snav is http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:21:38 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav? |
| 06:21:39 | cdm | 'night |
| 06:21:41 | Wembly | speedy2: like vc++'s ide junk? |
| 06:21:48 | Speedy2 | Wembly: No, it's really cool |
| 06:21:56 | | Speedy2: I forgot snav |
| 06:21:56 | Speedy2 | ibot: forget snav |
| 06:22:04 | Wembly | umm ok. |
| 06:22:06 | | OK, Speedy2. |
| 06:22:06 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav is Source-Navigator is a source code analysis tool. With it, you can edit your source code, display relationships between classes and functions and members, and display call trees. You can also build your projects, either with your own makefile, or by using Source-Navigator's build system to automatically generate a makefile. See: http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:22:10 | | hmmm... snav is Source-Navigator is a source code analysis tool. With it, you can edit my source code, display relationships between classes and functions and members, and display call trees. You can also build my projects, either with my own makefile, or by using Source-Navigator's build system to automatically generate a makefile. See: http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:22:10 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav? |
| 06:22:18 | | BZFlag, I didn't have anything matching 'snav source-navigator' |
| 06:22:18 | BZFlag | ibot forget snav Source-navigator |
| 06:22:26 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: ?? |
| 06:22:34 | Wembly | how is it differnt then vc++'s source navagation junk? |
| 06:22:46 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Get it and try it out...or look at the docs |
| 06:22:56 | Wembly | ill get it later |
| 06:23:00 | Wembly | im trying to get this working 1st |
| 06:23:03 | BZFlag | Speedy2: it looked like you make a typo in the first try , so I tried to nuke the bad entry. |
| 06:23:16 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: I think the bad entry is gone. I think the correct entry remains |
| 06:23:21 | | BZFlag: what? |
| 06:23:21 | BZFlag | ibot search sourcenav |
| 06:23:51 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: Correct, there is a typo. Hold on |
| 06:25:09 | | wish i knew, speedy2 |
| 06:25:09 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav? |
| 06:25:14 | Speedy2 | Bastard |
| 06:25:40 | Speedy2 | hrm. It's aliasing "your" and "you" into mys |
| 06:26:29 | Speedy2 | grr |
| 06:26:58 | Speedy2 | snav? |
| 06:27:03 | | i heard snav was The Source-Navigator, a source code analysis tool. See: http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:27:03 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav? |
| 06:27:11 | Speedy2 | Ok, fine, that's acceptable. |
| 06:27:20 | | BZFlag: I forgot snav source-navigator |
| 06:27:20 | BZFlag | ibot forget snav source-navigator |
| 06:27:32 | BZFlag | that was the bad entry. |
| 06:27:52 | BZFlag | try \ before the your or better yet reword it to not include your. |
| 06:27:58 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 06:28:01 | Speedy2 | I'll do it later |
| 06:28:05 | BZFlag | ok |
| 06:28:17 | Speedy2 | You've got the brawn, I've got the brains, let's make lots of money. |
| 06:31:05 | Speedy2 | re Cloud |
| 07:04:11 | Wembly | omg why wont it ping! |
| 07:04:13 | Wembly | *goes crazy* |
| 07:10:19 | imm | hi |
| 07:10:55 | imm | whats the fastest way to get a working devel enviroment ? |
| 07:12:09 | Speedy2 | imm: A cross-compiler is probably the first step. |
| 07:14:19 | Wembly | imm: if you have some space you could probly grab the tools to do devel on the zaurus itself. |
| 07:14:28 | Wembly | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 07:14:34 | Wembly | will give you both ways. |
| 07:14:49 | Wembly | setting up a cross compiler and also compiling on the zaurus. |
| 07:15:01 | imm | Wembly: no zaurus yet :( |
| 07:15:07 | Wembly | ahh |
| 07:15:12 | Wembly | then go for the cross compiler :) |
| 07:15:23 | Wembly | imm: running debian? or rpm based distro? |
| 07:15:36 | imm | Wembly: yes, suse |
| 07:15:41 | Wembly | k |
| 07:15:55 | Wembly | theres directions and packages avail at the url. :) |
| 07:16:21 | Wembly | herm. |
| 07:16:24 | imm | Wembly: ok, thanks |
| 07:16:27 | Wembly | why would there be errors...? |
| 07:17:34 | imm | how big is the diffrence to qt-desktop development ? can i just use a 240x320 widget and port it later to the zaurus ? |
| 07:18:49 | Wembly | imm: they have a little virtual framebuffer and the qtopia stuffs avail for x86 |
| 07:18:55 | Wembly | so you can compile your app and test it on your pc |
| 07:19:34 | Wembly | then from there cross compile it to the zaurus |
| 07:19:46 | imm | Wembly: cool ! |
| 07:20:18 | Wembly | did kergoth leave or somefin? |
| 07:20:42 | imm | is here someone who do this contest ? |
| 07:21:09 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Apparently so. |
| 07:21:32 | Wembly | ok what the hell. |
| 07:23:33 | Wembly | is back. What was going on ? [SZoff] |
| 07:54:31 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 08:14:24 | Speedy2 | BOO! |
| 08:14:54 | imm | is the sl-5000d usable to do anything other then test your apps ? |
| 08:16:41 | Speedy2 | imm: Yes, it's the same as a 5500 except it doesn't have 64MB of RAM and some other subtle differences |
| 08:16:47 | Speedy2 | In other words, it's a fully functional piece of hardware. |
| 08:16:58 | Speedy2 | With matching software... |
| 08:17:15 | imm | Speedy2: but 32MB of ram seems a bit little ? |
| 08:17:50 | Speedy2 | For Linux and what it needs, perhaps |
| 08:18:01 | Speedy2 | But consider that Palms have maybe 8MB of RAM for apps & data |
| 08:18:09 | Speedy2 | Maybe 16MB these days, but not more |
| 08:18:25 | Speedy2 | The iPaq shipped with 16/32 if I recall |
| 08:18:29 | Speedy2 | (ROM/RAM) |
| 08:18:36 | imm | Speedy2: but Palm apps dont link to glibc :) |
| 08:18:42 | Speedy2 | True |
| 08:20:08 | Speedy2 | But...you should be OK with 32MB RAM IMO. |
| 08:21:06 | imm | I hope my app enhance fast so i can test it |
| 08:21:14 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 08:21:54 | imm | Speedy2: i participate at the contest |
| 08:22:08 | imm | Speedy2: sorry for my english :( |
| 08:23:29 | Speedy2 | That's OK |
| 08:52:03 | George- | hiya Cloudchaser |
| 10:24:22 | Groucho | hi |
| 10:25:13 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 10:26:24 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 14 hours, 5 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: if you go away whats the command [Fri Jul 26 21:20:53 2002] |
| 10:26:24 | Groucho | ibot: seen JasonNJ |
| 10:27:00 | Speedy2 | re |
| 10:29:22 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin speedy |
| 10:29:39 | Speedy2 | Cloudchaser morning or evening!? muahahahhahahahahah |
| 10:29:50 | Cloudchaser | hehe well mornin here |
| 11:00:35 | noidd | anyone here on zaurus-general mailing lists? |
| 11:01:06 | noidd | I think i'm about to annoy someone :-) |
| 11:03:25 | noidd | bah, I think i sent it from a non-list address |
| 11:03:27 | noidd | pooh |
| 11:03:40 | pdq | I'm subscribed to zaurus-general |
| 11:05:39 | noidd | any sign of my email? |
| 11:05:54 | noidd | I hope that sourceforge bounces emails from non-subscribers |
| 11:06:06 | noidd | so I still get a copy of it |
| 11:06:11 | noidd | so i can re-sub and re-send |
| 11:06:20 | pdq | mom |
| 11:06:23 | noidd | otherwise i'm going to be unhappy - it was a LONG email |
| 11:08:03 | pdq | subject? |
| 11:09:11 | noidd | Re: [Zaurus-general] ANNOUNCE - z2x 1.0. Advise: Seppuku for Sharp CEO: |
| 11:09:19 | noidd | from red-laptop |
| 11:09:28 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 11:09:34 | Speedy2 | It was mentioned earlier ;) |
| 11:09:38 | pdq | I received it |
| 11:09:42 | noidd | cool ;-) |
| 11:09:54 | noidd | I'm interested in opinions :-) |
| 11:10:01 | | you are, like, trying to help |
| 11:10:01 | noidd | ibot, noidd? |
| 11:10:06 | noidd | see :-) |
| 11:10:23 | noidd | even ibot knows my motivations are pure as the driven sludge^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsnow |
| 11:10:59 | pdq | well, every new product I buy and join a mailing list, I see the same wars going on |
| 11:11:37 | pdq | I like my Z and that's it. If somebody else doesn't, I don't care |
| 11:11:38 | noidd | yeah, he deserved a helpfull and kind answer |
| 11:11:54 | noidd | he deserved a double entendre |
| 11:11:57 | noidd | so I gave him one |
| 11:12:19 | George- | noidd: What happened? |
| 11:12:51 | noidd | he wrote a rant, copied it to the wall street journal, and threatened legal action |
| 11:13:02 | George- | ??? |
| 11:13:03 | noidd | I responded to him with love, respect and kindness |
| 11:13:15 | George- | who did? |
| 11:14:02 | noidd | someone called Stan Norton. Its not important, what is important is that the low keeps flowing on the mailing lists. |
| 11:14:23 | George- | hmm |
| 11:14:24 | George- | topic? |
| 11:14:57 | noidd | ANNOUNCE: z2x 1.0 Advise: Seppuku for Sharp CEO: |
| 11:15:17 | noidd | I dont understand why he got so stressed at all |
| 11:15:29 | noidd | poor man :-( I cant imagine getting that stressed about anything |
| 11:16:11 | George- | What' seppuku? |
| 11:16:25 | Speedy2 | George-: Suicide because you've been shamed |
| 11:16:29 | pdq | ritual suicide (in Japan) |
| 11:16:48 | George- | wtF?!!? |
| 11:16:54 | George- | That guy is mental |
| 11:16:57 | noidd | I though that was Hari Kari or something |
| 11:17:00 | George- | he needs to be chucked in the happy-house |
| 11:17:08 | George- | locked under bars for the rest of his life... |
| 11:17:11 | noidd | did you like my reply :-) |
| 11:17:21 | noidd | plays listmother |
| 11:17:22 | George- | I welcome a refund from Sharp. I'm going to contact my Attorney General in the AM just in case I don't receive it immediately... <--- WTH? |
| 11:17:24 | Speedy2 | Like the Sharp CEO really cares about this loser |
| 11:17:34 | Speedy2 | He's in Japan. |
| 11:17:35 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 11:17:37 | George- | checks the reply |
| 11:17:46 | noidd | oh, you are so rude, inconsiderate, shame on you. What would your mother say, she would be so ashamed that a son of hers would .... |
| 11:18:15 | Wintre | URL? |
| 11:18:29 | noidd | its on the mailing list |
| 11:18:32 | George- | noidd: Are you preston crawford? |
| 11:18:38 | noidd | if you send me a msg with your email address i'll bounce them to you |
| 11:18:40 | Speedy2 | George-: Are you George? |
| 11:18:40 | noidd | nope |
| 11:18:45 | noidd | i'm the blank one |
| 11:18:48 | George- | ok |
| 11:18:50 | George- | Speedy2: hmm? |
| 11:18:50 | noidd | haha |
| 11:19:08 | Wintre | No web archive? |
| 11:20:47 | JasonNJ-home | morning |
| 11:20:54 | George- | noidd: red-laptop? |
| 11:21:49 | noidd | yup, thats mne |
| 11:21:59 | noidd | hey JasonNJ-home |
| 11:23:13 | Speedy2 | Who wants a weird Spanish song? |
| 11:23:15 | JasonNJ-home | morning... some people forgot to take their medication today I see |
| 11:23:19 | noidd | hehe |
| 11:23:23 | Speedy2 | Or at least, weird in the sense that it's uncommon? |
| 11:23:24 | noidd | on the mailing list :-) |
| 11:23:36 | noidd | I hope you're not reffering to my post :-) |
| 11:23:49 | JasonNJ-home | no the seppuku post |
| 11:23:52 | JasonNJ-home | that was amusing |
| 11:23:56 | noidd | that is my post :-P |
| 11:24:06 | George- | it's fucking stupid |
| 11:24:06 | noidd | not the original :-) |
| 11:24:08 | JasonNJ-home | noidd: the seppuku is YOUR post? |
| 11:24:18 | George- | noidd: I like your post :) |
| 11:24:20 | noidd | hehe, I followed it up |
| 11:24:25 | George- | "I cannot accept this." |
| 11:24:25 | George- | :) |
| 11:24:28 | noidd | with love, peace and understanding |
| 11:24:49 | George- | "The VAST difference between the Z and the other platforms is that Sharp |
| 11:24:49 | George- | has released the source-code to everything[0]." |
| 11:24:51 | George- | I don't agree |
| 11:25:25 | noidd | other than the SD stuff, what else isn't released? |
| 11:25:34 | George- | oh |
| 11:25:37 | noidd | if i'm wrong - tell me |
| 11:25:39 | George- | I was talking about the SD stuff =P |
| 11:25:43 | Speedy2 | Just because you have the source doesn't mean spit...they should release the documents if they really care. |
| 11:25:45 | noidd | note the [0] |
| 11:25:49 | noidd | goes to a footnote :-) |
| 11:26:01 | George- | oh right :) |
| 11:26:08 | JasonNJ-home | noidd: sharp's implementation of Qtopia is unreleased |
| 11:26:59 | JasonNJ-home | gotta run to work, bbiab |
| 11:27:00 | Groucho | JasonNJ-home: Hi |
| 11:27:14 | noidd | ok, later |
| 11:27:21 | noidd | JasonNJ-home: that include the PIM stuff? |
| 11:27:40 | Groucho | ok, seems I have to wait for JasonNJ arrive at work :-) |
| 11:27:51 | George- | noidd: No |
| 11:27:54 | George- | noidd: not afaik |
| 11:30:17 | Speedy2 | George-: "I got my mind set on you" |
| 11:30:34 | George- | Speedy2: what?!?! |
| 11:30:38 | Speedy2 | Or, as I keep thinking, "I got my mind set on less than" |
| 11:30:43 | Speedy2 | (ASM op) |
| 11:30:46 | Speedy2 | Nothing, just being silly |
| 11:30:52 | George- | Speedy2: forgive me for my stupidity, but wtf are you doing? :) |
| 11:30:56 | Speedy2 | Coding |
| 11:32:01 | George- | blah |
| 11:34:05 | Speedy2 | Coding and playing MP3s |
| 11:45:02 | George- | any "hacked" roms come yet? |
| 11:45:10 | George- | ie - 1.38 that uses SD as /home? |
| 11:47:00 | hunger | George-: That should be doable with a symlink, shouldn't it? |
| 11:47:06 | George- | hunger: nope |
| 11:47:08 | George- | ;) |
| 11:47:13 | George- | goes to hack rom 1.38 |
| 11:47:40 | hunger | George-: Well, actually there is no need. You can edit /etc/passwd and set the homedir there. |
| 11:47:51 | noidd | hunger: that would be too easy :-) |
| 11:47:54 | George- | hunger: strange :) |
| 11:47:56 | George- | hunger: BUT |
| 11:48:05 | George- | hunger: All the symlinks in / point to /home |
| 11:48:11 | George- | hunger: Plus I don't want a quick hack :) |
| 11:49:12 | hunger | George-: Setting the homedir is no quick hack. |
| 11:49:23 | hunger | George-: Of course your change will be gone on a hard reset. |
| 11:50:03 | Speedy2 | hunger: So if you flash your Z with a new ROM, does that work the same as a hard reset? |
| 11:50:25 | hunger | Speedy2: You do a hard reset to flash. |
| 11:50:35 | Speedy2 | In other words, yes. |
| 11:50:49 | hunger | Speedy2: Plus after a flash the 'root-partition' is completly new, so all your changes to that are gone. |
| 11:50:59 | Speedy2 | Right |
| 11:51:01 | Speedy2 | Figured as much |
| 11:51:03 | Speedy2 | Good, that makes life easier. |
| 11:51:33 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 49 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: indeed [Mon Jul 29 07:01:58 2002] |
| 11:51:33 | darienm | ibot seen kergoth |
| 11:51:36 | hunger | Speedy2: I love having my homedir on my SD card: That makes getting all my settings and additional ipks back a breeze. |
| 11:51:40 | | erikd was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 45 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: is it good or bad practice to put help/html/appname.html and then have help/html/appname/morefiles.html? [Mon Jul 29 06:06:22 2002] |
| 11:51:40 | darienm | ibot seen erikd |
| 11:51:47 | George- | Speedy2: With a reflash, you lose *everything* except thats on the removable media |
| 11:52:14 | Speedy2 | Technically it doesn't have to be that way, but OK, I'm cool with it. |
| 11:52:17 | George- | Speedy2: So you lose /, /home etc and the bootloader gets replaced (if it's a sharp rom), the cf updater gets replaced, diagnostics gets replaced... |
| 11:52:34 | hunger | Speedy2: It has not? |
| 11:52:47 | Speedy2 | hunger: Technically, no, realistically, it would be hard to do otherwise |
| 11:52:58 | hunger | Speedy2: How can you merge an initrd and what's in the flash at that point? |
| 11:53:32 | Speedy2 | Well, nevermind |
| 11:53:58 | George- | hunger: You can replace the kernel or the filesystem seperately |
| 11:54:00 | hunger | Speedy2: You might be able to keep the ram-filesystem. But then the kernel might have changed and with that the addresses. That would ruin the FS there anyway. |
| 11:54:20 | hunger | George-: I know. |
| 11:55:19 | George- | goes on a food hunt |
| 11:55:50 | George- | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 11:56:00 | George- | SHall I hack the original ROM to run Opie? :) |
| 11:56:19 | Speedy2 | Hack the original ROM to run BASIC |
| 11:56:23 | George- | lol |
| 11:56:36 | Groucho | George-: This will almost certainly lead into licensing problems |
| 11:56:43 | George- | Groucho: hmm? |
| 11:57:02 | Groucho | George-: Modifying the original Z ROM |
| 11:57:03 | George- | Groucho: what will? |
| 11:57:07 | George- | Groucho: nah.. :) |
| 11:57:16 | George- | http://www.btinternet.com/~p.flinders/sl-5000d/readme.html <-- Look at that =P |
| 11:57:33 | George- | his ROM is the third most popular, behind the original and OZ =P |
| 11:57:43 | George- | (but then again, there are only 3 roms, *g*) |
| 11:58:24 | pdq | sl5000 would be useless for me without flinders rom |
| 11:58:52 | George- | yes |
| 11:58:55 | George- | same |
| 11:58:56 | George- | lol |
| 11:59:06 | George- | I'm porting Flinder's changes to 1.38, at the moment |
| 11:59:19 | Groucho | George-: Nonetheless, the Sharp ROM content is propably copyrighted by Sharp. Modifications and reengeneering might be prohibited. |
| 11:59:27 | George- | Groucho: they're not |
| 11:59:44 | George- | Groucho: The ROM kit is avail. for download on their site |
| 11:59:52 | George- | Groucho: They *allow* you to modify the rom |
| 11:59:58 | pdq | good. throw away boa. make /var a tmpfs |
| 12:00:07 | George- | pdq: lol, ok |
| 12:00:16 | George- | How do I install new apps on this? :) |
| 12:00:22 | George- | lol |
| 12:00:34 | George- | I have mounted the original ROM |
| 12:00:36 | Groucho | George-: Does George explicitely state to modify their rom and invite people to build their own ? |
| 12:00:40 | George- | and copied to a directory |
| 12:00:45 | Groucho | George-: Sorry :-) |
| 12:00:46 | George- | Groucho: what? |
| 12:00:50 | Groucho | s/George/Sharp |
| 12:01:01 | George- | well |
| 12:01:01 | Groucho | stupid typo |
| 12:01:02 | George- | hang on |
| 12:01:39 | George- | Groucho: no.1, Sharp can't stop you from modifying it, afaik; it's GPL |
| 12:01:56 | George- | Groucho: the only thing sharp has a copyright in which isn't GPL is the unreleased Qtopia stuff |
| 12:02:07 | George- | (this is all from what I've worked out) |
| 12:02:10 | Speedy2 | What did they do to the Qtopia stuff? |
| 12:02:14 | Speedy2 | It's their own implementation? |
| 12:02:48 | George- | no |
| 12:02:51 | George- | they modified it a bit |
| 12:03:02 | George- | I suppose that means the stuff in the System Info program? |
| 12:03:07 | George- | and a bit more |
| 12:03:14 | George- | like, enhancements to some of the PIM apps |
| 12:03:23 | Speedy2 | (which no one uses anyway?) |
| 12:03:31 | pdq | "enhancements" |
| 12:04:00 | George- | yeh |
| 12:04:12 | George- | Opie is MUCH better than the Sharp enhancements, imho |
| 12:04:29 | Speedy2 | Why do people say the QT/E stuff is a lot slower than LoseCE? |
| 12:04:36 | Speedy2 | Shouldn't someone optimize the QT/E stuff? |
| 12:04:40 | Groucho | George-: The Linux distribution used is Embedix from Lineo licensed by Sharp and comes in binary form- things might be not so easy as refering to the GPL only. |
| 12:04:58 | Groucho | George-: I am not going ot discourage you, just poiting out some possible questions arising. |
| 12:05:18 | George- | Groucho: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/source/command_source.asp <--- No.1 All the source is there |
| 12:05:56 | ljp | hahaha thats what you think |
| 12:06:10 | George- | ljp: Ok, 1% of the source is there :) |
| 12:06:39 | George- | hmm |
| 12:06:40 | ljp | no.. thats the source of the linux commands they used |
| 12:06:49 | George- | hmm, okkkk |
| 12:06:56 | George- | well, uhm |
| 12:07:04 | George- | I might have some legal issues with Jeode |
| 12:07:05 | George- | ... |
| 12:07:14 | Groucho | George-: The programs there are all GPL, right. But every distribution has several parts not covered by the GPL- like administraion programs, etc. |
| 12:07:27 | George- | Groucho: heh, what administration programs? =P |
| 12:08:50 | Speedy2 | "Funky, funky" |
| 12:08:51 | Groucho | George-: OK, skip the admin programs :-)- I was just refering to the point that Lineo might use parts or structures not covered by the GPL. Like a specific way to arrange data, etc. |
| 12:09:36 | ljp | or perhaps their proprietary real time kernel extensions |
| 12:10:03 | [George-] | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/docandtool.asp <--- Groucho: There they provide a document with the root filesystem tarball there |
| 12:10:15 | [George-] | Please note that the kernel source code, kernel update, and the file system modification are only for those who have skills to do so by themselves at their own risk. Sharp WILL NOT GUARANTEE proper operation with such kernel update. |
| 12:10:19 | [George-] | ((quoted) |
| 12:10:33 | [George-] | great |
| 12:10:37 | [George-] | kicker's gone mental |
| 12:10:39 | [George-] | thanks kicker... |
| 12:10:56 | ljp | george: have you actually untarred that filesystem tarball? |
| 12:11:13 | [George-] | no |
| 12:11:59 | [George-] | Root File System: |
| 12:12:00 | [George-] | Qt/Embedded |
| 12:12:00 | [George-] | Qt Palmtop Environment (applications including PIM) |
| 12:12:00 | [George-] | Opera (Web browser) |
| 12:12:00 | [George-] | Jeode (Java Virtual Machine) |
| 12:12:04 | [George-] | It doesn't include all that |
| 12:12:06 | [George-] | DAMN |
| 12:12:08 | [George-] | Who cares |
| 12:12:12 | [George-] | I'm going in for the modify |
| 12:13:09 | [George-] | hmm, I remember seeing someone making a jffs2 romimage for the 5kd |
| 12:13:13 | [George-] | can't remember where, though |
| 12:13:25 | [George-] | damn, I'll brb |
| 12:13:31 | [George-] | this is starting to bug me (kicker) |
| 12:13:56 | Speedy2 | kicker? |
| 12:14:02 | Speedy2 | What the hell is he tlaking abuot |
| 12:15:27 | ljp | kicker is kde's taskbar |
| 12:15:41 | George- | back |
| 12:19:15 | Speedy2 | I thought he meant Kicker Competition Audio systems |
| 12:21:19 | imm | ok, my sdk works now, where can i find some good info on develop for qtopia ? |
| 12:27:18 | George- | imm: here |
| 12:27:33 | George- | imm: And the SDK provides a heck of a lot of good info |
| 12:27:43 | George- | imm: /opt/Qtopia/doc/html/qtopia/start.html |
| 12:28:23 | imm | George-: thanks |
| 12:28:35 | George- | np |
| 12:29:17 | imm | can i ask some general design questions ? |
| 12:29:30 | George- | yeh? |
| 12:32:23 | imm | how much memory can i allocate ? can i create a config widget and let it allocated as long as my app runs ? |
| 12:32:47 | George- | ??? |
| 12:32:51 | George- | I dunno :) |
| 12:33:50 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: if you go away whats the command [Fri Jul 26 21:20:53 2002] |
| 12:33:50 | Groucho | ibot: seen JasonNJ |
| 12:34:01 | | JasonNJ-home was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 7 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: gotta run to work, bbiab [Mon Jul 29 12:26:59 2002] |
| 12:34:01 | Groucho | ibot: seen JasonNJ-home |
| 12:35:35 | George- | pdq: ping |
| 12:35:56 | MYodaHome | is back (gone 09:26:32) |
| 12:43:53 | Speedy2 | George-: pong |
| 12:44:10 | Speedy2 | imm: I would only allocate as much memory as you need. |
| 12:44:42 | Speedy2 | imm: The StrongARM is a 32-bit processor -- an integer takes 32-bits, so you can run out of memory fast if you're not careful. |
| 12:44:42 | George- | Speedy2: I didn't PING you! |
| 12:44:48 | Speedy2 | George-: So? |
| 12:44:55 | George- | lol |
| 12:45:20 | George- | Speedy2: you....are...a...pain...in...the.ass |
| 12:45:21 | George- | :) |
| 12:45:32 | Speedy2 | George-: I hope you mean that with some kind of affection |
| 12:46:10 | Speedy2 | George-: I'm just being silly you know. If it bothers you, tell me to stop and I will |
| 12:46:16 | ljp- | he ment that in a hardware sense |
| 12:46:38 | George- | Speedy2: I was joking :) |
| 12:46:45 | George- | ljp-: wtf? |
| 12:46:47 | ljp- | he ment you are a pain in the CPU registers |
| 12:47:06 | pdq | must be hot today |
| 12:52:01 | Speedy_aussi | Guess I had a liberated IP for too long |
| 12:53:57 | Speedy_aussi | Any easy way to get a randomn number between a range? (1 to 4 in this case) |
| 12:56:33 | ljp- | hmmm.. /dev/random? |
| 12:57:48 | Speedy_aussi | Kay...some of us work on UNIX systems OTHER than Linux |
| 12:59:05 | ljp- | eheheh ahhhh |
| 12:59:27 | ljp- | ssh to some linux box and /dev/random? :) |
| 12:59:36 | Speedy_aussi | slaps ljp |
| 12:59:39 | George- | Speedy_aussi: is this Zaurus related? |
| 12:59:48 | mdz | Speedy_aussi: take an integer full of random bits, and do a modulus |
| 13:00:59 | Speedy_aussi | Someone suggested: rand()%(B-A+1)+A |
| 13:01:01 | Speedy_aussi | Which I will use |
| 13:02:15 | mdz | that's only pseudorandom, of course |
| 13:02:24 | mdz | (and you need to seed the prng first) |
| 13:04:22 | Speedy_aussi | mdz: It's all psuedo-random |
| 13:13:06 | JasonNJ | morning. |
| 13:13:32 | Groucho | JasonNJ: Hi |
| 13:14:30 | ljp- | hi root |
| 13:14:47 | djk | So what is the word on the security fixed ROM update? |
| 13:15:53 | Speedy2 | "Word up" |
| 13:16:05 | djk | :-) |
| 13:16:31 | djk | JasonNJ any comment of a ROM update ETA? |
| 13:16:48 | Speedy2 | What's the real concern? |
| 13:16:56 | Speedy2 | I mean, do you leave your Z connected to the Internet? |
| 13:17:02 | Speedy2 | With a legit IP? |
| 13:18:23 | ljp- | one word: openzaurus |
| 13:18:54 | djk | Some people are using it in a wireless or hub'ed environment with others on the network so it is a concern. It is also a concern to postive marketing and image of the Zaurus |
| 13:19:12 | Speedy2 | I see |
| 13:20:41 | ljp- | funny how those marketing and media types never mention there's an opensource option to sharps rom |
| 13:21:05 | djk | ljp: That is good for the geek audience but not for the basic consumer. I love opensource and use everywhere I can but there are a few features left out of the OZ version that handy |
| 13:21:25 | ljp- | openzaurus is not just for geeks |
| 13:21:41 | ljp- | what features are left out? |
| 13:21:53 | djk | They could mention it but it probably would not be understood by the joe average reader |
| 13:22:16 | ljp- | sure it would |
| 13:22:45 | Speedy2 | Somehow, I don't think Sharp's biggest customers are Joe Averages |
| 13:22:49 | Speedy2 | (Z customers) |
| 13:23:37 | ljp- | ya, not right now, but they did target business people, or so I've heard |
| 13:23:37 | djk | ok lets users updates to OZ, discovers Hancom, Opera, Java don't exist, support for CF devices (at least what I was told correct me otherwise) is not as complete |
| 13:24:17 | ljp- | ahhh .. but those arent opensource, |
| 13:24:22 | djk | Yes they did running ad's in Business Week and other non tech publications |
| 13:24:48 | ljp- | and does anyone realy use opera anyway? |
| 13:24:53 | ljp- | on the z, that is |
| 13:25:03 | djk | No but averge Joe bought the Z with the understanding that he could open M$ office products now he can't with OZ |
| 13:25:21 | ljp- | well hancom doesnt do that very well anyway |
| 13:25:54 | ljp- | and java.. the avergae users doesnt give a squat about java |
| 13:26:01 | djk | It has done PowerPoint and Word well enough for me |
| 13:26:08 | sjohnson | ljp-:The Sharp ROM is better suited for Joe Average Consumer, IMO. |
| 13:27:03 | djk | I really wasn't wanting to start a rant on Open being good or bad. There are audiences for each |
| 13:27:41 | sjohnson | A user could render his Z non-bootable by screwing up the jffs2 fs. With Sharp using cramsfs, the Z will at least be able to be booted. |
| 13:28:01 | djk | If the customer is having trouble with their Z and call Sharp how much help will they get if they put OZ on it? |
| 13:28:23 | andrius2 | hello all |
| 13:28:44 | JasonNJ | djk: we wont help at all, our customer support team has no experience in it |
| 13:29:13 | andrius2 | Anyone know where I can get a plastic cover and stylus? |
| 13:30:55 | djk | JasonNJ: Thank you my point exactly. Joe Average needs the Sharp ROM and it need timely updates from Sharp to keep it alive as a product so the OZ community can continue to develop a "better" environment |
| 13:31:25 | djk | andrius2: I believe you will have to contact Sharp Customer Support for that |
| 13:32:19 | BigBoss | I've had customers call me after talking to Sharp tech support and tell me the tech has never even seen the Zaurus before, let alone used it |
| 13:32:20 | djk | andrius2: Some people have been able to modify a third party stylus to fit in the Zaurus |
| 13:34:53 | djk | BigBoss: That is a problem. The interaction I had was by email and they seemed knowledgable but I have heard the same compliant about phone support. It seems there should a dedicated phone support group with an actual Zaurus and accessories at their desk to provide quality support. |
| 13:36:28 | George- | wth? |
| 13:36:39 | George- | Zaurus tech support don't know about zauruses? |
| 13:36:54 | djk | some don't |
| 13:38:51 | djk | It sounds like if you call you get queued to a general help group and Sharp NEEDS to have another group that are trained in the product better. |
| 13:38:51 | George- | JasonNJ: CAn you detangle a few legal issues? |
| 13:38:51 | George- | JasonNJ: is it legal to do what Paul Flinders did with his hacked rom? |
| 13:42:42 | darienm | andrius2: by plastic cover, do you mean screen protector? |
| 13:44:43 | JasonNJ | well, Paul isnt trying to sell his software is he? |
| 13:45:04 | hunger | JasonNJ: If he did sell it, would it be illegal then? |
| 13:45:40 | JasonNJ | if he sold it, it would be illegal, yes |
| 13:45:48 | JasonNJ | probably |
| 13:46:34 | George- | JasonNJ: well |
| 13:46:34 | hunger | JasonNJ: How so? Because of Hancom Office, Java, Opera and the SD stuff? |
| 13:46:35 | JasonNJ | but the software is only useful on a Zaurus, which every zaurus owner already owns a copy of |
| 13:46:48 | George- | JasonNJ: But he's "distributing" jeode etc? |
| 13:47:31 | JasonNJ | again I'm not an attorney |
| 13:47:34 | George- | JasonNJ: and he's "distributing" opera :) |
| 13:47:35 | JasonNJ | youre asking the wrong guy |
| 13:47:37 | George- | ok |
| 13:47:44 | George- | who shall I ask? :) |
| 13:47:51 | George- | That dude that flamed on zaurus-general? :) |
| 13:47:58 | hunger | JasonNJ: You work at sharp, so you must know everything about the Z;-) |
| 13:48:00 | JasonNJ | a computer litigation attorney |
| 13:48:09 | George- | blah |
| 13:48:12 | treke|home | well sniper is from marketing, which is almost as evil as an attorney |
| 13:48:21 | George- | a computer litigation attorney? wtF is that? |
| 13:48:26 | JasonNJ | my guess is that its probably illegal for him to distribute it, but Sharp doesnt care |
| 13:48:32 | George- | I dunno even wtf an attorney is... |
| 13:48:52 | JasonNJ | George-: lawyer |
| 13:48:57 | George- | ahhh |
| 13:48:57 | George- | ok |
| 13:49:06 | George- | forgive me; I'm still a child :) |
| 13:49:20 | darienm | andrius2: by plastic cover, do you mean screen protector? |
| 13:49:24 | JasonNJ | that and you are probably not american |
| 13:49:34 | JasonNJ | in england the word is Barrister |
| 13:49:42 | Speedy2 | Don't speak such dirty words! |
| 13:49:47 | George- | treke: ahhh, ok, I'll talk to sniper :) *oiy sniper! get your fat ass over here!* :) |
| 13:49:59 | treke|home | George-: no he cant help you |
| 13:50:04 | JasonNJ | my ass is definitely fatter than snipers |
| 13:50:07 | treke|home | George-: It was a lawyer/markerting joke |
| 13:50:09 | George- | lol |
| 13:50:17 | George- | treke|home: I know... |
| 13:50:44 | George- | JasonNJ: no, i'm english, ie - from England =P |
| 13:51:38 | hunger | George-: You should probably be a bit more specific: The tiny island right of the big blue thing next to NY:-) |
| 13:52:00 | George- | hunger: uhm, don't insult great britain! :) |
| 13:52:07 | George- | sings the national anthem |
| 13:52:12 | George- | *in a very poor voice* |
| 13:52:28 | Speedy2 | You Spin me Right Round. |
| 13:52:29 | JasonNJ | I saw Austin Powers on Saturday.. THAT insults great britain |
| 13:52:31 | Speedy2 | Like a record baby. |
| 13:52:42 | George- | JasonNJ: gasp! |
| 13:52:43 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: You actually PAID to see that? |
| 13:52:48 | Groucho | hunger: Shouldn't it be "the rainy spot north of central europe ?" |
| 13:52:52 | JasonNJ | and the good thing about it is the US doesnt have to take credit for it, Mike Meyers is Canadian |
| 13:53:03 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: That had enough marketting crapoloa (no offense) that it should have warned you |
| 13:53:05 | treke|home | ah, that explains it |
| 13:53:10 | JasonNJ | Speedy2: I was outvoted. I wanted to see K-19 |
| 13:53:16 | JasonNJ | I ended up seeing K-19 yesterday |
| 13:53:21 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: You should have gone and seen Undercover Brother |
| 13:53:34 | JasonNJ | K-19 was awesome |
| 13:53:47 | Speedy2 | Did you see Harrson Ford on Conan O'Brien? |
| 13:53:49 | JasonNJ | one of the best sub movies I have ever seen |
| 13:53:49 | Speedy2 | It was pretty funny. |
| 13:53:50 | andrius2 | darienm: yup |
| 13:53:54 | hunger | Groucho: 'north' should be OK, but I doubt that he'll know 'central europe'. |
| 13:53:55 | andrius2 | screen protector |
| 13:54:11 | JasonNJ | nothing beats Das Boot though |
| 13:54:16 | Speedy2 | I have yet to see that |
| 13:54:17 | JasonNJ | that is THE sub movie |
| 13:54:19 | George- | Das Boot was cool |
| 13:54:23 | JasonNJ | oh, its awesome on DVD |
| 13:54:25 | George- | U-571 sucked, though |
| 13:54:30 | JasonNJ | 571 was bad |
| 13:54:37 | Groucho | JasonNJ: Hey, this is a great movie |
| 13:54:42 | Speedy2 | What about Hunt for Red Oktober |
| 13:54:43 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 13:54:53 | JasonNJ | Red October was ok, not very realistic though |
| 13:55:01 | JasonNJ | K-19 was scary realistic |
| 13:55:05 | George- | 571 is HISTORICALLY inaccurate!! GRR you AMERICANS! :)))) |
| 13:55:08 | Speedy2 | Well...the one with Denzel was REALLY realistic (NOT) |
| 13:55:08 | JasonNJ | so is Das Boot |
| 13:55:09 | hunger | 571 was a hilarious movie, one that only holywood was ablt to come up with and call it 'authentic' afterwards:-) |
| 13:55:18 | Groucho | "Das Boot" is accurate as it is based on a real story |
| 13:55:25 | treke|home | George-: A movie historrically innacurate? What a concept |
| 13:55:28 | | VerxHome was last seen on #opie 2 hours, 23 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: heheh [Mon Jul 29 12:32:22 2002] |
| 13:55:28 | darienm | ibot seen VerxHome |
| 13:55:30 | JasonNJ | K-19 is also real |
| 13:55:35 | George- | treke|home: lol |
| 13:56:08 | darienm | andrius2: The best screen protector for the Zaurus is the G2 from http://www.pdascreenprotectors.com/ |
| 13:56:12 | JasonNJ | they have a site up on nationalgeographic.com that talks about the K-19 story, its teh same as the movie |
| 13:56:15 | Speedy2 | Mike Myers has officially transitioned into a Hollywood Whore |
| 13:56:23 | darienm | andrius2: its a bitch to install, but its crystal clear and strong |
| 13:56:30 | Speedy2 | darienm: Strong like bull? |
| 13:56:40 | treke|home | strong like my breath? |
| 13:56:43 | darienm | Speedy2: strong like ox |
| 13:56:56 | Speedy2 | Ghostrider, the pattern is full |
| 13:57:09 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: So you like sub movies eh? |
| 13:57:31 | JasonNJ | yep. I love all things sub. |
| 13:57:41 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Did you watch any of the Nova / National Geographic ones on them? There were some really interesting ones |
| 13:57:42 | JasonNJ | I collect sub stuff actually |
| 13:57:48 | Speedy2 | (about a sub stuff from civil war era) |
| 13:57:59 | JasonNJ | yeah I have them on my Tivo |
| 13:58:02 | Speedy2 | "Bangkok, city of the orient" |
| 13:58:11 | JasonNJ | the civil war ones were pretty cool |
| 13:58:39 | Speedy2 | Indeed |
| 13:58:53 | JasonNJ | I love sub computer games too |
| 13:58:54 | Speedy2 | I find the National Georgraphic / Nova really interesting since they give a A LOT of factual information. |
| 13:59:00 | JasonNJ | I used to be addicted to 688 Attack Sub |
| 13:59:04 | Speedy2 | Car stuff is my forte |
| 13:59:07 | JasonNJ | hasnt been a good computer sub game in a while |
| 13:59:07 | Speedy2 | err pasion? |
| 13:59:39 | Speedy2 | Racing sims are great...too bad there have not been any really good ones |
| 13:59:43 | JasonNJ | cars I like, but mainly old ones |
| 13:59:48 | Speedy2 | NFS SE and NFS 4 are the only recent ones |
| 13:59:51 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Agreed! |
| 14:00:05 | Speedy2 | fondly recalls playing Test Drive 1 |
| 14:00:20 | JasonNJ | NASCAR is a good racing game |
| 14:00:23 | Speedy2 | I have an abandonwarez version of |
| 14:00:33 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Well, Bill Elliot's NASCAR was tough |
| 14:00:39 | Speedy2 | The Papyrus NASCAR *was* good |
| 14:00:44 | Speedy2 | Could do a lot of interesting things |
| 14:01:15 | JasonNJ | flight sims are also good but again most of the latest crop over the last 2-3 years have not been so good |
| 14:01:30 | Speedy2 | Agreed |
| 14:01:37 | Speedy2 | Did you ever play F-19 ? |
| 14:01:41 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 14:01:46 | Speedy2 | That had some good intro music :) |
| 14:01:48 | Speedy2 | kergoth! |
| 14:01:48 | Groucho | The last real flight sim was Falcon 4 |
| 14:01:51 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 14:01:53 | kergoth_ | re |
| 14:01:57 | kergoth_ | hey Speedy2 |
| 14:01:57 | JasonNJ | yeah falcon 4 rules |
| 14:02:13 | Groucho | Tha last good heli sim was EnemyEngaged ... |
| 14:02:21 | JasonNJ | I dont know if anyone will ever make a sim that realistic again |
| 14:02:21 | kergoth_ | falcon... it was a bitch getting 600kb free base memory to run falcon 3 |
| 14:02:22 | Speedy2 | There were some really good flight sims |
| 14:02:26 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 14:02:33 | Speedy2 | What about the new Comanche game? |
| 14:02:34 | Speedy2 | Is it gany good? |
| 14:02:38 | Speedy2 | Is it any good |
| 14:02:39 | JasonNJ | falcon 4 was a major bitch to get running |
| 14:02:44 | JasonNJ | so was falcon 3 |
| 14:02:46 | Speedy2 | Comanche Overkill was/is really fun |
| 14:02:55 | Groucho | Don't think so- the Comanche series is more action like |
| 14:03:01 | Speedy2 | "Get that laser outta my face!" |
| 14:03:02 | JasonNJ | EF2000 was neat |
| 14:03:05 | Speedy2 | Agreed |
| 14:03:16 | Speedy2 | OH |
| 14:03:16 | Speedy2 | !OH |
| 14:03:17 | Wintre | Hah |
| 14:03:21 | Speedy2 | Ultimate Flight sim |
| 14:03:22 | Wintre | I forgot about that line |
| 14:03:22 | JasonNJ | I want a good korean war sim |
| 14:03:27 | Speedy2 | Chuck Yeager's AFT |
| 14:03:28 | Groucho | falcon4 was the most flexible and "real life" like sim |
| 14:03:32 | Speedy2 | Advanced Flight Trainer |
| 14:03:34 | Speedy2 | "Nice auger job" |
| 14:03:39 | Speedy2 | "You bought the farm on that one" |
| 14:03:39 | JasonNJ | with F86's versus MiG-15/19 |
| 14:03:50 | Speedy2 | "You just dug a hole half-way to China" |
| 14:04:22 | Speedy2 | Did anyone else play Chuck's AFT? |
| 14:04:28 | darienm | Speedy2: me |
| 14:04:28 | JasonNJ | a good vietnam one would be cool |
| 14:04:31 | Wintre | Not for a looooooooooooooong time |
| 14:04:33 | Speedy2 | darienm: Recall those lones? |
| 14:04:33 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:04:35 | JasonNJ | I played all the chuck yeagers |
| 14:04:41 | JasonNJ | AFT, and air combat |
| 14:04:46 | JasonNJ | I hacked the hell out of AFT |
| 14:04:49 | Speedy2 | Never played Air Comabt |
| 14:04:51 | darienm | Speedy2: all too well, although I heard "Pitch left" frequently, too |
| 14:04:53 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 14:05:10 | Speedy2 | Ahh those WERE the days |
| 14:05:16 | JasonNJ | I remember doubling/tripling the thrust on an SR-71 and shooting into space |
| 14:05:23 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 14:05:23 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:05:23 | kergoth_ | ponders jumping back into kernel space.. then remembers its monday and heads to get some coffee. |
| 14:05:24 | JasonNJ | and then stalling at like 120,000 feet |
| 14:05:39 | darienm | motions to bring him back some coffee also. |
| 14:05:42 | JasonNJ | impressive CGA graphics on that one |
| 14:05:48 | Speedy2 | Indeed! |
| 14:05:54 | Speedy2 | Had some weirdo copy-protection |
| 14:05:57 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 14:06:04 | ljp_ | I flew a F-16 full throttle down into Lake Michigan.. wings sheered off |
| 14:06:09 | Speedy2 | AHH! |
| 14:06:11 | Speedy2 | "Wing ripped off!" |
| 14:06:13 | Speedy2 | That was another one |
| 14:06:17 | JasonNJ | I used to rip my wings off all the time |
| 14:06:18 | Speedy2 | err |
| 14:06:22 | Speedy2 | "Wings ripped off!" |
| 14:06:30 | darienm | Speedy2: copy protection on Chuck Yeager? That was where you had to type in word 16 from paragraph 2 of page 75. |
| 14:06:43 | Speedy2 | darienm: No, it would only run from the special floppy |
| 14:06:47 | Speedy2 | Even if you copied the program to the HDD |
| 14:06:52 | Speedy2 | And if you copied the floppy it didn't work |
| 14:06:53 | JasonNJ | those really WERE the days |
| 14:06:55 | Speedy2 | Some other funny stuff |
| 14:06:56 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 14:07:01 | JasonNJ | circa 1987-89 |
| 14:07:02 | Wintre | In some ways. |
| 14:07:15 | Speedy2 | Where stupid computer games were NOT pushing the edge of technology |
| 14:07:22 | Speedy2 | (and mucking up everything else) |
| 14:07:23 | darienm | Yeah - manufacturers purposely damaged physical sectors of their distribution floppies and checked if those sectors were bad to determine if it was a legit disk. |
| 14:07:25 | JasonNJ | the QEMM stealth mode days of lore |
| 14:07:32 | JasonNJ | where you had a boot disk for every game you owned |
| 14:07:33 | Speedy2 | darienm: Right |
| 14:07:35 | Wintre | I'm glad not to have to fight to get sound drivers or memory enough to play a game these days |
| 14:07:45 | JasonNJ | cause the friggin memory management on each one was separate |
| 14:07:52 | JasonNJ | remember Ultima &? |
| 14:07:57 | JasonNJ | ultima 7 |
| 14:07:58 | Speedy2 | I never played those |
| 14:08:00 | JasonNJ | holy crap |
| 14:08:04 | Wintre | OTOH the face of gaming is pretty dismal these days |
| 14:08:08 | Speedy2 | I did play Space Quest / Leisure Suit Larry |
| 14:08:14 | Speedy2 | Freddy Pharkas |
| 14:08:15 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:08:16 | kergoth_ | i miss the old sierra on-line games |
| 14:08:20 | JasonNJ | I remember havign my mind blown by the original Wing commander |
| 14:08:20 | kergoth_ | back when it was ken and roberta williams |
| 14:08:28 | JasonNJ | I bought a soundblaster just to play wing commander |
| 14:08:29 | Speedy2 | kergoth: "Score!" from Freddy Pharkas |
| 14:08:33 | kergoth_ | Speedy2 hehe |
| 14:08:34 | Speedy2 | I did remember Wing Commander |
| 14:08:38 | Speedy2 | WC2 |
| 14:08:40 | Speedy2 | That was fun |
| 14:08:43 | kergoth_ | I remember how amazing the audio was in space quest 3 |
| 14:08:45 | kergoth_ | on my tandy |
| 14:08:48 | Speedy2 | I'd sit in the simulation all day |
| 14:08:48 | kergoth_ | witth the 3 channel audio! |
| 14:08:49 | JasonNJ | my first 386 had Wing Commander |
| 14:09:05 | kergoth_ | I still have my wing commander and wing commander 2 cds |
| 14:09:05 | Speedy2 | With WC2, I'd just sit in the simulator and play |
| 14:09:07 | kergoth_ | man did that movie suck |
| 14:09:08 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 14:09:10 | Speedy2 | Which? |
| 14:09:12 | Speedy2 | Oh |
| 14:09:12 | Speedy2 | WC |
| 14:09:14 | kergoth_ | yeh |
| 14:09:17 | Speedy2 | Of course, what did you think? |
| 14:09:19 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:09:20 | Speedy2 | Kilrathi |
| 14:09:20 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:09:22 | kergoth_ | hey, one can hope |
| 14:09:25 | Speedy2 | Cat looking things |
| 14:09:28 | kergoth_ | yeh |
| 14:09:35 | kergoth_ | I miss the dos gaming days |
| 14:09:39 | Speedy2 | Who doesn't? |
| 14:09:40 | Speedy2 | OH |
| 14:09:42 | kergoth_ | when you actually finished a game before buying the next one |
| 14:09:43 | Speedy2 | Did anyone play "Stunts" ? |
| 14:09:45 | kergoth_ | now there's so many.. |
| 14:09:48 | kergoth_ | stunts! |
| 14:09:49 | kergoth_ | oh shit |
| 14:09:50 | Speedy2 | YES! |
| 14:09:51 | kergoth_ | i forgot that game |
| 14:09:57 | kergoth_ | that game rockjed |
| 14:09:59 | JasonNJ | the last good space sim was the one by the descent guys |
| 14:10:01 | Speedy2 | The Porsche 962 was good |
| 14:10:05 | Speedy2 | But the Indy was the fastest |
| 14:10:06 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:10:07 | JasonNJ | and then there was that weird one from england |
| 14:10:12 | Speedy2 | And you could hit top speed and hold it |
| 14:10:14 | JasonNJ | which had newtonian physics |
| 14:10:16 | kergoth_ | I liked the original X-Wing myself |
| 14:10:24 | Speedy2 | Ahh yes |
| 14:10:27 | JasonNJ | Tie Fighter was good |
| 14:10:27 | Speedy2 | Oh ... |
| 14:10:31 | Speedy2 | Day of the Tentacle |
| 14:10:34 | Speedy2 | DOTT |
| 14:10:35 | kergoth_ | dott rocked |
| 14:10:37 | kergoth_ | game was hilarious |
| 14:10:39 | Speedy2 | Indy and the Fate of Atlantis |
| 14:10:40 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 14:10:41 | Speedy2 | hehehe |
| 14:10:42 | kergoth_ | sam & max too |
| 14:10:45 | Speedy2 | Going back and time and all |
| 14:10:48 | Speedy2 | I never played Sam & Max |
| 14:10:55 | kergoth_ | to this day.. |
| 14:10:56 | Speedy2 | Messing around with George Washington's teeth |
| 14:10:56 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 14:11:02 | JasonNJ | orignal space quest stuff was great |
| 14:11:06 | kergoth_ | Hoagie saying "Wheee!" when he releases the kite is stuck in my memory |
| 14:11:06 | JasonNJ | so was leisure suit larry |
| 14:11:14 | Speedy2 | I came VERY close to beating SQ3 |
| 14:11:17 | Speedy2 | OH |
| 14:11:18 | Speedy2 | In fact |
| 14:11:23 | kergoth_ | i won all the space quests |
| 14:11:25 | Speedy2 | I got an abandonwarz version of it recently |
| 14:11:28 | kergoth_ | space quest 4 was amazing |
| 14:11:30 | Speedy2 | recently == 1 year ago |
| 14:11:31 | kergoth_ | all voice! |
| 14:11:32 | Speedy2 | And started playing it |
| 14:11:32 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 14:11:42 | JasonNJ | Radio Shock |
| 14:11:42 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Did you ever play Test Drive ? |
| 14:11:47 | kergoth_ | the narrator of space quest 4 was hilarious |
| 14:11:59 | JasonNJ | my friend and I still call Radio Shack that |
| 14:12:00 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: test drive 2 and 3, yeah |
| 14:12:04 | Speedy2 | Not the original? |
| 14:12:06 | Speedy2 | That was awesome |
| 14:12:08 | kergoth_ | nope |
| 14:12:11 | Speedy2 | WHA? |
| 14:12:11 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 14:12:13 | Speedy2 | Get it and play it |
| 14:12:13 | kergoth_ | hheh |
| 14:12:18 | Speedy2 | The intro music IS *AWESOME* |
| 14:12:23 | Speedy2 | In fact, I will sample it and make an Mp3 out of it |
| 14:12:28 | kergoth_ | sq3 music rocked. |
| 14:12:35 | kergoth_ | nothing compared at the time |
| 14:12:36 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:12:37 | kergoth_ | hey CloudChaser |
| 14:12:38 | Speedy2 | The intro music on TD is all PWM on the speaker |
| 14:12:52 | Speedy2 | You know |
| 14:12:52 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: i loved my tandy... the ibm speaker sucked.. tandy had 3 channel |
| 14:13:03 | JasonNJ | the original Wing Commander music was awesome |
| 14:13:06 | Speedy2 | If x86 wasn't such a SHIT architecture |
| 14:13:07 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: the original arkanoid... now there was a game.. |
| 14:13:10 | Speedy2 | We could get these games on the Z |
| 14:13:23 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 14:13:26 | JasonNJ | I would kill for an original Wing commander port on the Z |
| 14:13:31 | kergoth_ | i can still hear the background music for arkanoid! what a trip |
| 14:13:34 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:13:39 | kergoth_ | amazing what etches itself into memory |
| 14:13:42 | Speedy2 | Agreed |
| 14:13:49 | Speedy2 | "Score!" |
| 14:13:51 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:13:51 | Speedy2 | I recall that |
| 14:13:52 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 14:14:02 | Speedy2 | That was a hilarious game too |
| 14:14:07 | Speedy2 | You had to make the fake ear and stuff |
| 14:14:08 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 14:14:11 | kergoth_ | I remember the evil tenticle saying "take over the world!!!@#%@%!%!" |
| 14:14:12 | JasonNJ | my favorite game was the original Nuclear War |
| 14:14:14 | kergoth_ | in dott |
| 14:14:19 | Speedy2 | Heheh |
| 14:14:20 | JasonNJ | the one based on the card game |
| 14:14:27 | JasonNJ | with Wacky Gaddafi |
| 14:14:33 | JasonNJ | and Ronald Raygun |
| 14:14:38 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 14:14:45 | darienm | someone let me know when games-talk is over..... |
| 14:14:46 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 14:14:56 | darienm | oh hey, kergoth |
| 14:14:57 | kergoth_ | remember when adventure games were challenging? |
| 14:14:58 | Speedy2 | darienm: IT WILL NEVER END |
| 14:15:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Want a cool MOD? |
| 14:15:05 | Speedy2 | Oh damn |
| 14:15:06 | Speedy2 | At work |
| 14:15:07 | kergoth_ | back when you had to word things the right way.. |
| 14:15:10 | ljp_ | my favorite game was pong |
| 14:15:11 | hunger | kergoth: I fixed an issue with apmd's makefile today. |
| 14:15:22 | kergoth_ | its pick up the object, not pick the object up |
| 14:15:23 | Speedy2 | kergoth_: Remembe Leisure Suit Larry? Hehe |
| 14:15:25 | kergoth_ | hunger: oh nice |
| 14:15:35 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: i remember lying on the intro questions trying to get in even though i was under 18 |
| 14:15:38 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: hehe |
| 14:15:38 | Speedy2 | heheh |
| 14:15:38 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 14:15:39 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 14:15:39 | darienm | kergoth: what is the worst that can happen if I use your forthcoming ospack to flash OZ onto a clean Zaurus using the Sharp Windows tool? |
| 14:15:41 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: stupid tests |
| 14:15:41 | hunger | kergoth: the libapm ipk had the same lib twice, giving errors when running ldconfig. |
| 14:15:45 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Agreed |
| 14:15:58 | Speedy2 | "If you were stranded on a desert island with Bo Derek, you would? " |
| 14:16:01 | Speedy2 | That was one of the questions. |
| 14:16:08 | kergoth_ | darienm: if the ospack is corrupt, you could toast your bootloader. but thats the case for a sharp rom too. its alwasy dangerious reflashing the entire flash |
| 14:16:14 | kergoth_ | hunger: ohhhh yeah |
| 14:16:18 | frankps | hi all |
| 14:16:21 | kergoth_ | hunger: thanks, that error was annoying |
| 14:16:31 | kergoth_ | hunger: "libapm.so.1 isnt a symlink!" |
| 14:16:32 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 14:16:34 | Speedy2 | Don't give alcohol to the cabby |
| 14:16:35 | Speedy2 | You'll die |
| 14:16:36 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 14:16:50 | kergoth_ | dont forget to buy rubbers at the gas station or you die of an std |
| 14:16:53 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 14:16:54 | ljp_ | still has yet to find an video game with the excitement I had when pong first came out ;) |
| 14:16:55 | darienm | kergoth: well, I can try it if you make the package. |
| 14:16:59 | Speedy2 | But the guy then announces all the stuff |
| 14:17:05 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:17:06 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 14:17:07 | Speedy2 | "Hey, this guy just bought..." |
| 14:17:07 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:17:08 | hunger | kergoth: I notched up the revision, so you should get the new ipk instaleld with your next upgrade. |
| 14:17:12 | kergoth_ | larry rocked. |
| 14:17:14 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 14:17:16 | kergoth_ | hunger: great |
| 14:17:18 | Speedy2 | larry++ |
| 14:17:20 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:17:21 | kergoth_ | lsl++ |
| 14:17:22 | Speedy2 | allow++ |
| 14:17:28 | darienm | pair-a-dice |
| 14:17:28 | | i haven't a clue, kergoth_ |
| 14:17:28 | kergoth_ | ibot lsl? |
| 14:17:29 | Speedy2 | allowe++ |
| 14:17:31 | darienm | paradice |
| 14:17:33 | darienm | paradise |
| 14:17:51 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 14:17:51 | kergoth_ | ibot lsl is Leisure Suit Larry .. a CLASSIC adventure game by the folks at Sierra On-Line, back before it sucked. |
| 14:18:08 | Speedy2 | lsl? |
| 14:18:10 | | lsl is Leisure Suit Larry .. a CLASSIC adventure game by the folks at Sierra On-Line, back before it sucked. |
| 14:18:10 | Speedy2 | ibot: lsl? |
| 14:18:10 | darienm | kergoth: well, I can try it if you make the package. |
| 14:18:17 | kergoth_ | darienm: k |
| 14:18:42 | Speedy2 | Did you ever play Captain America? I had a copy that was messed up, but it was cool |
| 14:18:45 | kergoth_ | darienm: I'll grab the latest sharp ospack, rip it apart, and plug in my components and reassemble. thats how i did the original OZ 1-2.5 |
| 14:18:51 | Speedy2 | or Captain Marvel? one of those. |
| 14:18:57 | kergoth_ | hmm i dont think so |
| 14:18:58 | darienm | kergoth: you have until tomorow |
| 14:18:59 | Speedy2 | It had VGA graphics...prety spiffy |
| 14:19:02 | kergoth_ | darienm k |
| 14:19:06 | Speedy2 | Oh |
| 14:19:08 | Speedy2 | California Games |
| 14:19:10 | Speedy2 | (Calgames) |
| 14:19:14 | kergoth_ | oh shit i remeember those |
| 14:19:16 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 14:19:20 | Speedy2 | Half-pipe, bean bag |
| 14:19:23 | kergoth_ | dood, i want my Z to play this shit |
| 14:19:24 | Speedy2 | Skating |
| 14:19:24 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:19:34 | Speedy2 | "Face plant dude" |
| 14:19:36 | Speedy2 | "Hating life |
| 14:19:36 | Speedy2 | " |
| 14:19:36 | darienm | Olympic Decathlon -- best way to ruin computers keyboard |
| 14:19:39 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 14:19:42 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:19:52 | Speedy2 | I liked the messages you got when doing the BMX |
| 14:19:55 | Speedy2 | They were the funiest |
| 14:19:57 | JasonNJ | oh man Summer Games |
| 14:19:59 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 14:20:01 | Speedy2 | Winter Gaems |
| 14:20:03 | Speedy2 | Games too |
| 14:20:07 | JasonNJ | all the Games series |
| 14:20:09 | Speedy2 | All these games! |
| 14:20:09 | Speedy2 | yes |
| 14:20:17 | Speedy2 | Sex Games! Oh wait... |
| 14:20:20 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:20:22 | ljp_ | oh, you gamers, you guys... geeesh |
| 14:20:28 | kergoth_ | I remember playing a game called king of the beach |
| 14:20:32 | JasonNJ | my entire floor in my college dormitory was totally addicted to the Games series |
| 14:20:38 | JasonNJ | we had them on a C-64 |
| 14:20:38 | Speedy2 | Oh...what about Prince of Persia? |
| 14:20:48 | JasonNJ | prince of persia was cool |
| 14:20:52 | darienm | Wizardry |
| 14:20:53 | kergoth_ | price of persia.. i played it, but never really got into it like the others |
| 14:20:55 | Speedy2 | I recall...you had to move the joystick back and forth quickly to win the decathalon |
| 14:20:56 | JasonNJ | what about Pirates! |
| 14:21:04 | Speedy2 | (C64 Summer Games) |
| 14:21:10 | Speedy2 | Oh oh....a classic...Paper Boy! |
| 14:21:15 | kergoth_ | wants to dig out a copy of the original maniac mansion |
| 14:21:21 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Just get DOTT! |
| 14:21:22 | kergoth_ | paper boy.. oh man.. good game |
| 14:21:23 | JasonNJ | Raid over Moscow |
| 14:21:24 | darienm | Odyssey |
| 14:21:25 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: hehe, yeah |
| 14:21:28 | Speedy2 | Remember? Maniac Mansion is in DOTT |
| 14:21:31 | Speedy2 | hehehe |
| 14:21:33 | darienm | 720 - Skate or Die |
| 14:21:34 | Speedy2 | That was hilarious |
| 14:21:35 | Speedy2 | YES |
| 14:21:37 | Speedy2 | Skate or Die II |
| 14:21:40 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: but its just not the same when you're not running off of a double density floppy |
| 14:21:42 | Speedy2 | Skate or DIE? DIE DIE DIE DIE |
| 14:21:46 | kergoth_ | skate or die was sweet |
| 14:21:54 | Speedy2 | kergoth_: Possibly true |
| 14:22:01 | Speedy2 | (regarding running off floppy) |
| 14:22:01 | JasonNJ | Dr J versus Larry Bird |
| 14:22:06 | Speedy2 | Never played that |
| 14:22:15 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: I remember.. in an adventure game, you could tell if you were entering a new area if it prompted you for the next floppy.. |
| 14:22:17 | bipolar | Komander Keen rox! :-) |
| 14:22:25 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:22:28 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: and if it was a floppy you hadnt used yet.. you knew you were in for something |
| 14:22:28 | ljp_ | my brothers used to play 'beat up on ljp' |
| 14:22:29 | Speedy2 | xyzzy |
| 14:22:29 | kergoth_ | hehhh |
| 14:22:35 | Speedy2 | xyzzy |
| 14:22:37 | kergoth_ | the original duke nukem |
| 14:22:39 | kergoth_ | before it was 3d |
| 14:22:40 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 14:22:47 | Speedy2 | Man...some fun times. |
| 14:22:50 | Speedy2 | Apogee is dead? |
| 14:22:53 | JasonNJ | kergoth_: I remember that back in the Apple II days... we had this game called Wizardry that was 4 floppies |
| 14:22:54 | kergoth_ | i dunno |
| 14:22:55 | bipolar | kergoth_: yes. The origanal was more fun |
| 14:22:59 | kergoth_ | Raptor rocked |
| 14:23:07 | JasonNJ | which was considered really excessive |
| 14:23:16 | kergoth_ | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 14:23:19 | Speedy2 | I had an adventure game for my TI-994/A |
| 14:23:22 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 14:23:25 | Speedy2 | It used a cartridge AND A TAPE! |
| 14:23:32 | Speedy2 | I beat the game like in the 90's |
| 14:23:36 | kergoth_ | That makes me want to flash my Z with a 2.4.6 kernel and play sairen |
| 14:23:37 | Speedy2 | Since we never understood "Where is the data?" |
| 14:23:40 | kergoth_ | s/sairen/sarien/ |
| 14:23:42 | JasonNJ | yeah I had tape cartdrige on my atari 800 |
| 14:23:42 | Speedy2 | One day I found this tape |
| 14:23:47 | JasonNJ | Atari 800 ruled |
| 14:23:56 | Speedy2 | But before then we had never actually played the damn adventure game |
| 14:23:56 | JasonNJ | Star Raiders |
| 14:24:01 | prpplague | Speedy2: ti-99/4a text adventures rocked |
| 14:24:03 | Speedy2 | So I figured out how it works, hooked it up and told it "CS1" |
| 14:24:16 | Speedy2 | And it read off the tape and voila, into the game! |
| 14:24:25 | Speedy2 | (After like 10 years of the game sitting and the 99/4A not being used) |
| 14:24:34 | Wintre | Heh, Star Raiders |
| 14:24:37 | Speedy2 | I beat it in a few hours...it was a priate adventure |
| 14:24:47 | JasonNJ | my favorite tape game was teh original Crush, Crumble and Chomp for TRS-80 |
| 14:24:54 | JasonNJ | see, that should show you how old I am |
| 14:24:54 | Speedy2 | Trash-80, eh? |
| 14:24:54 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:24:59 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:25:03 | Speedy2 | I still have two TRS-80's if you want them Jason |
| 14:25:10 | Speedy2 | YOU pay shipping |
| 14:25:12 | kergoth_ | i was 8 when we got our tandy 1000hx, thats the oldest computer i've ever used |
| 14:25:27 | kergoth_ | well, s/used/owned/ |
| 14:25:27 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 14:25:29 | Speedy2 | Oh oh...Dig Dug and Spyhunter! |
| 14:25:32 | kergoth_ | ohhh |
| 14:25:34 | kergoth_ | i loved those |
| 14:25:37 | kergoth_ | spyhunter especially |
| 14:25:38 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 14:25:39 | JasonNJ | it was a bitch that we had TRS-80 in school and I had Apple II at home |
| 14:25:41 | Speedy2 | It was awesome |
| 14:25:48 | kergoth_ | i want spyhunter on my Z |
| 14:25:49 | kergoth_ | !!!@# |
| 14:25:51 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 14:25:56 | JasonNJ | we had BASIC class in school but I used to go home and do it on my apple |
| 14:26:02 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:26:10 | JasonNJ | had to rewrite my source cause the basics were so different |
| 14:26:21 | kergoth_ | basic.. i wish i never learned that language |
| 14:26:25 | JasonNJ | teacher wouldnt accept apple code |
| 14:26:29 | kergoth_ | except that it started me on programming very early on |
| 14:26:36 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 14:26:43 | JasonNJ | I remember 6502 assembler |
| 14:26:53 | kergoth_ | I shouldve learned C when I was 12. I wanted to. |
| 14:26:56 | kergoth_ | ah well |
| 14:26:58 | kergoth_ | hey noidd |
| 14:27:04 | JasonNJ | POKE 3D0G |
| 14:27:08 | noidd | hey kergoth, whats up? |
| 14:27:08 | kergoth_ | I need an assembler refresher course |
| 14:27:10 | kergoth_ | nada |
| 14:27:12 | kergoth_ | we're reminiscing |
| 14:27:16 | noidd | eek, not asm - NO! |
| 14:27:17 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Don't talk dirty to me! |
| 14:27:18 | kergoth_ | about gaming days gone by |
| 14:27:20 | noidd | :-) |
| 14:27:29 | kergoth_ | sniffle |
| 14:27:29 | Speedy2 | mov r0,r0 |
| 14:27:31 | Speedy2 | (nop in ARM) |
| 14:27:38 | kergoth_ | hm |
| 14:27:44 | ljp_ | kergoth: nop jne |
| 14:27:44 | JasonNJ | ] BRUN CHOPLIFTER |
| 14:27:46 | kergoth_ | I should finish reading that arm asm book |
| 14:27:53 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The one I sent? |
| 14:27:54 | frankps | is there anyone that could be interested in porting Sonork to Zaurus? |
| 14:27:57 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: yeah |
| 14:28:03 | frankps | It has a open source code |
| 14:28:03 | noidd | what is sonork? |
| 14:28:07 | Speedy2 | kergoth_: The CD has a shit load of stuff on it too, including the ARM ARM |
| 14:28:08 | noidd | ur;? |
| 14:28:11 | noidd | url? |
| 14:28:18 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: I printed out the arm arm at woork |
| 14:28:18 | Speedy2 | (Architecture Reference Manual) |
| 14:28:20 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 14:28:20 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: hehe |
| 14:28:28 | frankps | an instant messanger - http://www.sonork.com |
| 14:28:28 | Speedy2 | kergoth++ |
| 14:28:49 | JasonNJ | you realize that the Zaurus is like 2000 times more powerful than an apple ][ |
| 14:28:55 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Yes. |
| 14:29:16 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: It could beat the living shit out of an x86 of the Cal games era, but DOS and emulating x86...that's like taking 50 steps backwards. |
| 14:29:30 | Speedy2 | 50^50 |
| 14:29:45 | noidd | bah, I wish this guy would hurry up, read his email and reply to me |
| 14:29:50 | noidd | sulks |
| 14:30:28 | JasonNJ | is sonork Qt based? |
| 14:30:30 | Speedy2 | kergoth: You can get a lot of these abandonwarez... |
| 14:30:56 | noidd | i'm looking at it now - downloading |
| 14:31:07 | JasonNJ | I would love to play old apple games on the Z |
| 14:31:10 | noidd | visually it doesn't look like |
| 14:31:17 | noidd | will be able to give you a pukka answer in a sec |
| 14:31:28 | noidd | haha |
| 14:31:41 | noidd | my cat is at the window growling at the new cat next door |
| 14:31:57 | noidd | the window *is* actually open, so she can go beat the shit out of it ;-0 |
| 14:32:05 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: We need the OldGameEmulator...OGRE |
| 14:32:20 | Speedy2 | noidd: More power to her. |
| 14:32:21 | JasonNJ | dammit I am getting explicit porn email on my sharp account |
| 14:32:30 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: And you're complaining? |
| 14:32:42 | hunger | Speedy2: Huch, where did the R come from? |
| 14:32:48 | JasonNJ | well, I opened an email this morning and I got a beaver shot |
| 14:32:54 | Speedy2 | hunger: "r" in emulatoR |
| 14:33:10 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: I'm sure you woke up at that point...sounds better than coffee to me |
| 14:33:12 | JasonNJ | they are sending GIFs in with those pornspams now |
| 14:33:15 | hunger | Speedy2: ?! What did you smoke today? |
| 14:33:22 | bipolar | Has anyone talked with the phpgroupware folks about syncing? |
| 14:33:28 | noidd | erm, its a windows based app |
| 14:33:30 | Speedy2 | hunger: That's with regards to? |
| 14:33:54 | hunger | Speedy2: It must be really bad if you have to ask:-) The 'R' in Emulator. |
| 14:33:57 | noidd | we dont have beavers in the UK |
| 14:34:04 | noidd | otters I think are the closest animals |
| 14:34:17 | Speedy2 | hunger: Uhh...there is an "R" in emulator. |
| 14:34:25 | Speedy2 | Well...lower case mind you |
| 14:34:38 | hunger | Speedy2: Yes, but then it should have been OGER, not OGRE. |
| 14:34:50 | Speedy2 | Yes, but what the hell is OGER? |
| 14:34:54 | JasonNJ | noidd: so you have otter shots? |
| 14:34:57 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 14:35:00 | noidd | renews his hatred of the linux kernel |
| 14:35:02 | hunger | Speedy2: German for ogre. |
| 14:35:09 | CmdrChalupa | noidd: why? |
| 14:35:14 | angry | noidd - use bsd then |
| 14:35:16 | Speedy2 | hunger: Ok, that's acceptable then. |
| 14:35:24 | Speedy2 | noidd: Agreed...use FreeBSD |
| 14:35:24 | noidd | Well, cardmgr crashes the kernel, hard |
| 14:35:43 | noidd | and the usbdnet usb0 device stops working after trafficing 4k of data |
| 14:35:45 | angry | Speedy2: pimp the openBSD for SSH and shit |
| 14:36:04 | noidd | is a part of the peoples republic of gentoo |
| 14:36:50 | noidd | Speedy2: one of your fellow BSD people described linux as "propritary unix clone pre-configure" |
| 14:36:50 | darienm | This is scary: http://www.haptek.com/products/peopleputty/tour/ |
| 14:37:56 | Speedy2 | Well...I had a cross-dresser or a transvestite come and buy a 17" monitor from me yesterday |
| 14:38:08 | Speedy2 | HIs? name was Howard |
| 14:38:45 | Speedy2 | http://www.haptek.com/products/peopleputty/images/abe.jpg That is NOT Abe Lincoln. |
| 14:38:58 | noidd | Abe Lincon? |
| 14:39:11 | JasonNJ | I knew abe lincoln, and you sir, are no abe lincoln. |
| 14:39:11 | Speedy2 | Supposed to be |
| 14:39:18 | noidd | whoever that is |
| 14:39:22 | noidd | shrugs |
| 14:39:23 | djk | JasonNJ: It seems spam is on the rise everywhere. I can't figure how they have any success with everybody deleting and nobody buy |
| 14:39:28 | angry | lol thats abe lincoln EXTREME |
| 14:39:36 | JasonNJ | noidd: Abraham Lincoln? you dont know who he is? |
| 14:39:50 | noidd | djk: not everyone deletes.. just takes a few to make it worthwhile |
| 14:39:53 | JasonNJ | hell at least we americans know who most of your PM's were |
| 14:40:11 | XavierXeon | JasonNJ: was ! Abraham Lincon is dead |
| 14:40:11 | noidd | hehe, wanna bet? :-) |
| 14:40:15 | Speedy2 | Abe was the first man to land on the moon. |
| 14:40:31 | Speedy2 | Accompanied by his dog, Elizabeth |
| 14:40:33 | noidd | ironically, I could probably name more US presidents than UK PM's |
| 14:40:35 | Wintre | Speedy: That was JFK. |
| 14:40:45 | Wintre | Abe was the first guy to the bottom of the ocean. |
| 14:40:50 | Wintre | And he invented SCUBA |
| 14:40:52 | Speedy2 | Wintre: You are correct, as usualy |
| 14:40:57 | Speedy2 | usual |
| 14:41:02 | Wintre | As correct as usual ;) |
| 14:41:03 | Speedy2 | With Jaque Costeau |
| 14:41:10 | Speedy2 | Jacques Costeau |
| 14:41:10 | noidd | nah, I do know who abe lixon is |
| 14:41:12 | noidd | linux |
| 14:41:14 | noidd | lincon |
| 14:41:15 | ljp_ | I thought Abe Lincoln built the Apollo rocket |
| 14:41:15 | noidd | argh |
| 14:41:17 | noidd | you know who |
| 14:41:18 | noidd | bah |
| 14:41:30 | Speedy2 | Correction |
| 14:41:32 | JasonNJ | noidd: president of the us during the Civil War |
| 14:41:38 | Speedy2 | Abe Lincoln IS THE APOLLO ROCKET |
| 14:41:55 | noidd | see, I get really confused by american "history" |
| 14:42:03 | noidd | it doesn't seem to make much (any) sense |
| 14:43:02 | JasonNJ | famous for gettysburg address and emancipation proclamation |
| 14:43:02 | noidd | I don't do hip hop |
| 14:43:03 | noidd | I dont understand how you still had segragation and aphartiet(sp) until the 1960s |
| 14:43:07 | noidd | its just bizzare to me |
| 14:43:27 | XavierXeon | noidd: history does not make sense ! |
| 14:43:27 | Speedy2 | apartheid |
| 14:43:39 | noidd | I dont understand what happened in the intervening time between the civil war and the 1960s ish |
| 14:43:45 | noidd | thanks Speedy2 |
| 14:43:46 | noidd | :-) |
| 14:43:53 | JasonNJ | noidd: I dont understand to this very day, why food sucks in the UK |
| 14:44:00 | noidd | Still, Muslim is the new Black |
| 14:44:04 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 18 hours, 49 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: buy [Fri Jul 26 20:54:07 2002] |
| 14:44:04 | darienm | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 14:44:06 | ljp_ | noidd: they invented cool new drugs |
| 14:44:11 | Speedy2 | Or why once you go black, you never go back |
| 14:44:18 | kergoth_ | yawns |
| 14:44:41 | kergoth_ | people trying to make sense of history, you should know better. |
| 14:44:42 | noidd | JasonNJ: I can give you the answer to that, thats easy |
| 14:44:45 | prpplague | noidd: many of the southern democrates created laws after the civil war to create a legal lower class of citizen |
| 14:45:00 | noidd | JasonNJ: the UKs food culture, because it is so old is still based on "functional" food. |
| 14:45:12 | JasonNJ | the reason why we had apartheid is just as stupid as why the UK to this day has a monarchy |
| 14:45:16 | JasonNJ | tradition |
| 14:45:25 | XavierXeon | noidd: food in the UK still sucks |
| 14:45:28 | prpplague | noidd: much of the south was governed by these laws and not just blacks but also uneducated whites and hispanics |
| 14:45:30 | noidd | Not so, the Monarchy is fundimental to a fair and free society |
| 14:45:38 | noidd | thats why US politics is so fucked up :-) |
| 14:45:42 | kergoth_ | bah |
| 14:45:49 | kergoth_ | us politics is fucked up by its very nature |
| 14:46:02 | Speedy2 | Why do we have a monkey for president? It defies logic, but alas, it's true |
| 14:46:03 | noidd | let me try and get a timetable for this |
| 14:46:04 | kergoth_ | its nature consisting of politians |
| 14:46:06 | JasonNJ | UK politics is just as messed up |
| 14:46:12 | noidd | there was a time when a black person was 3/5th |
| 14:46:15 | Jerakeen | all politics is fucked up. But democratic politics is fucked less than all the other kinds of politics. |
| 14:46:17 | kergoth_ | Those who have the desire to lead are those who arent fit to lead. |
| 14:46:18 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 14:46:26 | noidd | was that over-ruled in 60s, civil war ? when? |
| 14:46:27 | XavierXeon | hates politics |
| 14:46:30 | kergoth_ | too |
| 14:46:38 | Speedy2 | wishes warmi were here |
| 14:46:43 | Speedy2 | That would make it all the more interesting. |
| 14:47:01 | noidd | There is a fundimental problem with having a politically elected head of state (eg, president). |
| 14:47:03 | XavierXeon | warmi likes history |
| 14:47:10 | Speedy2 | warmi IS history |
| 14:47:14 | Speedy2 | (whatever that means) |
| 14:47:16 | noidd | that is that disagreeing with the policy of the president is seen as un-patriotic |
| 14:47:21 | JasonNJ | what I want to know is, why is Jamie Oliver and Ainsley Harriot allowed to LIVE in the UK |
| 14:47:33 | kergoth_ | history.. the interpretations of events by historians.. so unobjective its a joke |
| 14:47:34 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 14:47:39 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: the proper phrase "why are..." |
| 14:47:41 | prpplague | kergoth: AMEN |
| 14:47:42 | kergoth_ | noidd: I disagree there. |
| 14:47:49 | noidd | I mean, there are people who got investigated by the FBI for talking about how they werre uncomfortable with the US policy in Afganistan |
| 14:47:52 | darienm | noidd: unpatriotic? |
| 14:47:55 | noidd | that is not a free democracy |
| 14:48:09 | Speedy2 | Or the Japanese imprisoned after Pearl Harbor |
| 14:48:12 | darienm | noidd: patriotism doesn't mean agreeing |
| 14:48:15 | Speedy2 | Jesus |
| 14:48:16 | kergoth_ | ugh dont get me started |
| 14:48:16 | noidd | JasonNJ: reduce that statement to just "Live" :-) |
| 14:48:20 | kergoth_ | goes back to coding |
| 14:48:21 | prpplague | suggests channel name change #UKvUS-Politics |
| 14:48:24 | Speedy2 | US is based on land that was STOLEN from the Native Americans |
| 14:48:25 | Speedy2 | so WTD! |
| 14:48:26 | Speedy2 | WTF |
| 14:48:39 | XavierXeon | noidd: get real ! there is no democracy. |
| 14:48:40 | angry | AHH KERGOTHS TAKIN THE GLOVES OFF |
| 14:48:43 | noidd | everyone stole land from someone else if you go back far enough |
| 14:48:54 | | OK, angry. |
| 14:48:54 | angry | ibot, kergoth`coding is kergoth with the gloves off baby |
| 14:49:00 | JasonNJ | Speedy2: yes, but now they get Casinos in exchange, it was a worthwhile trade :) |
| 14:49:05 | ljp_ | it wasnt stolen.. war victory |
| 14:49:09 | prpplague | now, now guys, politics and coding don't mix |
| 14:49:26 | XavierXeon | agrees with prpplague |
| 14:49:44 | noidd | prpplague: they do if you are writing guidence systems for missles |
| 14:49:45 | W|GGL|T | politics and ANYTHING don't mix |
| 14:49:47 | noidd | :-) |
| 14:49:56 | JasonNJ | yeah lets talk about something less caustic, like open source |
| 14:50:01 | angry | and then the americans STOLE their independance from britain, right? |
| 14:50:10 | angry | ;-P |
| 14:50:12 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 14:50:12 | ljp_ | lets talk about Sharp's software failings instead |
| 14:50:17 | warmi | hello |
| 14:50:22 | noidd | angry: not at all. The US is the revolution the UK never had. |
| 14:50:29 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 14:50:51 | W|GGL|T | morning warmy, CloudChaser |
| 14:50:52 | noidd | angry: If we hadn't have colonised at that point in time, the UK would be a republic |
| 14:50:56 | angry | JasonNJ - what do you do at sharp |
| 14:51:07 | W|GGL|T | work |
| 14:51:11 | | JasonNJ is "Jason Perlow" <mailto:perlow@hotmail.com> |
| 14:51:11 | prpplague | ibot: JasonNJ |
| 14:51:11 | MYodaWork | is away: Oooops... Boss just walked in |
| 14:51:14 | JasonNJ | angry: I mainly sit on my ass and listen to idiots on IRC |
| 14:51:22 | prpplague | JasonNJ: ha |
| 14:51:28 | angry | noidd: i know, i was making a joke on what speedy had said before about the native americans |
| 14:51:34 | noidd | ah, gotcha :-) |
| 14:51:35 | prpplague | JasonNJ: can i have your job? |
| 14:51:42 | JasonNJ | prpplague: yes you can have it |
| 14:51:47 | angry | JasonNJ: can i have your house |
| 14:51:54 | angry | JasonNJ: or your Z? |
| 14:52:00 | ljp_ | can I have benmeyer's job? |
| 14:52:01 | prpplague | JasonNJ: can i keep my pay though? |
| 14:52:05 | JasonNJ | angry: only if you pay my mortgage and take my wife with you |
| 14:52:06 | W|GGL|T | damn scavengers |
| 14:52:07 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 14:52:16 | noidd | JasonNJ is mean and horrible, called me an idiot and hurt my feelings :-( I'm going to rant on zaurus-general and copy the editor of the Wall Street Journal! |
| 14:52:17 | noidd | :-) |
| 14:52:32 | | benmeyer is the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 14:52:32 | prpplague | ibot: benmeyer |
| 14:52:45 | JasonNJ | for my next trick I will commit ritual seppuku |
| 14:52:56 | prpplague | who took all the cute remarks out of ibot? |
| 14:52:57 | noidd | :-) |
| 14:53:00 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 14:53:15 | | ljp_: excuse me? |
| 14:53:15 | ljp_ | ibot was redone |
| 14:53:19 | ljp_ | it got updated |
| 14:53:24 | W|GGL|T | alot of people on the ZG list don't know what that means, it seems |
| 14:53:26 | prpplague | ljp_: darn |
| 14:53:27 | W|GGL|T | well, a few |
| 14:53:27 | | hmmm... Groucho is the feed maintainer of opie.info. Reach him at mailto:oliver.fels@gmx.net |
| 14:53:27 | Groucho | ibot: Groucho |
| 14:53:37 | angry | JasonNJ: do you have anything to do with the challenge |
| 14:53:40 | Groucho | Ah, still there :-) |
| 14:53:47 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:55:33) |
| 14:53:49 | | you are mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 14:53:49 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 14:53:59 | Speedy2 | Wow...now I have to write the slave thread code |
| 14:54:01 | Speedy2 | What fun |
| 14:54:06 | W|GG-Libranet | is back (gone 07:21:20) |
| 14:54:29 | JasonNJ | angry: no, Spencer Huang is running the dev challenge |
| 14:55:14 | noidd | Hmmm, |
| 14:55:18 | | JasonNJ is quoted as saying: <JasonNJ> angry: I mainly sit on your ass and listen to idiots on IRC |
| 14:55:18 | noidd | ibot, JasonNJ? |
| 14:55:46 | warmi | Speedy2: you know arm asm well, don't you ? |
| 14:55:49 | noidd | lets take that out of context a lil :-) |
| 14:55:52 | Speedy2 | warmi: Decently |
| 14:55:55 | Speedy2 | warmi: On phone now |
| 14:56:04 | warmi | yah ok .. nm then :-) |
| 14:56:10 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well, ask |
| 14:56:11 | angry | lol |
| 14:56:11 | warmi | I will bother you some other time |
| 14:56:18 | Speedy2 | warmi: Damn phone company |
| 14:56:29 | angry | wait, how does he sit on my ass |
| 14:56:31 | angry | thats confusing |
| 14:56:42 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 14:56:48 | warmi | you know , with x86 you pay penalty for unaligned writes,reads ( say 4 bytes read on address 02 ) |
| 14:56:55 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 14:57:00 | warmi | on arm, it sees, it is much worse .. you get an bus error |
| 14:57:05 | Speedy2 | Umm |
| 14:57:08 | warmi | is that the case or em I missing something here ? |
| 14:57:11 | Speedy2 | one sec |
| 14:57:13 | angry | i aint paying my graphical interface anything |
| 14:57:38 | kergoth`coding | warmi: thats correct. |
| 14:57:41 | warmi | it seems on arm 4 bytes reads HAVE to be aligned ( the address you read from needs to be divisible by 4) |
| 14:57:55 | noidd | ack, curious |
| 14:59:32 | Speedy2 | warmi: If you want to do an unaligned fetch, you have to fetch multiple and then mask off the data |
| 14:59:35 | warmi | kergoth`coding: hmm .. so before you do 4 bytes write, one has to first check the address and perhaps do 2 byte update or something like to align itself and then continue with 4 bytes |
| 14:59:54 | Speedy2 | warmi: Unless you're fetching characters, usually data is properly aligned |
| 15:00:01 | prpplague | kergoth`coding: don't flame here, but i want to run something by ya here on the fl issue... |
| 15:00:03 | warmi | well, chars are slow :-) |
| 15:00:06 | Speedy2 | warmi: You can use the "align" directive to align it |
| 15:00:16 | Speedy2 | So you don't have nasty issues |
| 15:00:17 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: go for it |
| 15:00:33 | noidd | you writing in ASM? isn't this sort of thing taken care of by the compiler usually? |
| 15:00:39 | noidd | (excuse my ignorance) |
| 15:00:40 | warmi | Speedy2: no .. it is general purpose blit routine .. its starting address depends on the location on the screen this blit is going to |
| 15:00:42 | prpplague | kergoth`coding: how do you feel about adding a /proc entry in the collie_fl driver in the kernel? |
| 15:00:50 | Speedy2 | warmi: Hrm... |
| 15:00:57 | warmi | I now what I have to do |
| 15:01:04 | kergoth`coding | warmi: you can change how it traps the alignment problem, make it correct rather than SIGBUS.. but its dogggg slow |
| 15:01:05 | kergoth`coding | hehh |
| 15:01:06 | Speedy2 | warmi: There should be some way to align it nicely w/o having to deal with that weird stuff |
| 15:01:20 | warmi | I have to check computed address and if it is not aligned . |
| 15:01:25 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: so prob instead of a device? that seems reasonable |
| 15:01:42 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: s/prob/proc/ |
| 15:01:44 | Speedy2 | warmi: If you make it such that the fetch from the screen is word aligned...you should be ok |
| 15:01:52 | warmi | I shall write just a word (2 bytes) to align it , and then continue with 4 byte writes afterwards |
| 15:01:56 | kergoth`coding | ~. |
| 15:02:12 | Speedy2 | warmi: BTW, awhile back, my screen calculation / BW may have left off refresh rate |
| 15:02:19 | prpplague | kergoth`coding: ya, and add a interface so you can echo the screen brightness via a % to the proc |
| 15:02:25 | warmi | Speedy2: I can't because I need to have 1 pixel accuracy .. 1 pixel=2 bytes |
| 15:02:36 | Speedy2 | prpplague: Make it smarter and have it accept a value from 0 to 255 |
| 15:02:45 | Speedy2 | prpplague: Percentage means you lose accuracy, keep it 8-bits |
| 15:03:02 | warmi | noidd: I was spent entire weekeng working on 40 lines of ASM code for arm :-) |
| 15:03:05 | Speedy2 | warmi: Make your fetch complete, but mask off the unwanted data |
| 15:03:11 | prpplague | Speedy2: good point |
| 15:04:21 | warmi | Speedy2: one thing I like about ARM is that I can have 12 general purpose regs to work with |
| 15:04:25 | warmi | that's a lot |
| 15:04:40 | warmi | one can do a lot of cool stuff without hitting memory for storage |
| 15:04:40 | Speedy2 | warmi: Yes. Try to make all fetches word-aligned and do mask operations to get rid of your crap |
| 15:05:39 | prpplague | kergoth`coding: sorry if i'm harping on the fl issue, its just little details like the fl cook in the back of my mind.... |
| 15:05:55 | Speedy2 | prpplague: There's a nookcase in my bookcase. |
| 15:06:24 | warmi | Speedy2: yeah .. I will do something like that |
| 15:06:36 | prpplague | Speedy2: pardon? |
| 15:06:55 | Speedy2 | warmi: The ARM ref has some info on unaligned stuff...might even have some cute tricks to deal with unaligned ata |
| 15:06:56 | Speedy2 | data |
| 15:06:58 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: np, thatd make it easier |
| 15:07:01 | Speedy2 | prpplague: It's Dr. Suess |
| 15:07:06 | prpplague | Speedy2: ahh |
| 15:07:17 | kergoth`coding | warmi: also, read Documentation/arm/mem_alignment in the rmk kernel tree. |
| 15:07:44 | nirvana | hello |
| 15:07:45 | kergoth`coding | gah my connection is so fucking slow right now |
| 15:07:47 | kergoth`coding | grr |
| 15:08:49 | warmi | rmk kernel tree ?? |
| 15:08:51 | warmi | huh |
| 15:08:54 | warmi | sounds scary |
| 15:08:58 | warmi | heeh |
| 15:09:22 | warmi | anyway, I will deal with that one way or another .. just was surpized ARM was that rigid about this issue |
| 15:09:26 | kergoth`coding | warmi: rmk = russell king, the arm linux kernel maintainer |
| 15:09:28 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 15:09:50 | warmi | maybe that is for the better since people cannot realy slack off and rely on unaligned operations |
| 15:10:32 | nirvana | Does the zaurus support only acessories that are listed in the accessories myzaurus.com listing ? |
| 15:10:39 | JasonNJ | no |
| 15:10:52 | nirvana | JasonNJ: no for me ? |
| 15:10:54 | JasonNJ | there are plenty of other CF cards and SD cards that work |
| 15:11:13 | nirvana | all of the Cf and SD cards ? |
| 15:11:35 | Oriumpor | does the 1gb SD work with the Z? |
| 15:11:38 | JasonNJ | there are a lot that work, we just havent had the time to certify them |
| 15:11:42 | JasonNJ | 1GB SD? |
| 15:11:47 | JasonNJ | who has one of those? |
| 15:11:52 | Oriumpor | I'm getting one |
| 15:12:08 | Oriumpor | it works w/the mavica |
| 15:12:25 | nirvana | How can i know if a SD or CF cards works with the zaurus ? |
| 15:12:28 | angry | there's a 1GB SD? |
| 15:12:33 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 15:12:35 | Oriumpor | lemme get the url |
| 15:12:39 | angry | i thought only up to 256 SDs work with the Z |
| 15:12:51 | angry | ohh (read above, sorry) |
| 15:12:59 | JasonNJ | nirvana: you dont. You plug it in and hope it works, if its not documented or if someone on the lists or Zauruszone hasnt confirmed it works |
| 15:13:15 | nirvana | JasonNJ: ok ;) |
| 15:13:25 | angry | JasonNJ: a couple of days ago i ordered a sandisk 256MB CF card for $60 :) |
| 15:13:38 | Oriumpor | I'm sorry not SD cf |
| 15:13:49 | warmi | kergoth`coding: the kernel tree docs you are refering to .. is this stuff ( docs) present in Sharps source tree ? |
| 15:13:59 | JasonNJ | 1GB CF cards work fine |
| 15:14:05 | JasonNJ | I have a IBM microdrive here |
| 15:14:14 | kergoth`coding | warmi: most likely.. you may want to read the latest though in case the doc has been updated.. up to you |
| 15:14:25 | angry | nirvana: you can also ask people in here if they've had experience with that specific card |
| 15:14:29 | Oriumpor | microdrives suck batteries like they're not even there |
| 15:14:34 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 15:14:34 | prpplague | ibot: sd cards |
| 15:14:37 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 15:14:37 | prpplague | ibot: sd |
| 15:14:41 | JasonNJ | Orimpor: true |
| 15:14:41 | angry | JasonNJ: microdrives work with the Z? |
| 15:14:46 | prpplague | angry: yes |
| 15:14:47 | JasonNJ | yes microdrives work |
| 15:15:06 | angry | sweet |
| 15:15:25 | sjohnson-lunch | is away: lunch |
| 15:15:37 | W|GGL|T | i bet they drain the battery quicklike too |
| 15:15:46 | angry | holy shiat they dont cost that much either |
| 15:15:56 | angry | better cost/storage ratio than CF or SD |
| 15:16:25 | Speedy2 | You make tradeoffs |
| 15:16:27 | W|GGL|T | what sizes do microdrives come in? |
| 15:16:28 | Speedy2 | Battery life for speed and power |
| 15:16:30 | Speedy2 | CF2 |
| 15:16:38 | angry | 340 MB 512MB 1gb |
| 15:16:46 | Speedy2 | Toshiba has a 2GB CF2 card, right? |
| 15:17:03 | angry | shit one microdrive has more storage than my laptop ;) |
| 15:17:14 | W|GGL|T | dunno....battery life is already questionable tho, with the Z in standalone |
| 15:17:24 | Speedy2 | The battery is quite tiny |
| 15:17:27 | Speedy2 | 950mAh sux |
| 15:17:29 | W|GGL|T | lol angry |
| 15:18:05 | nirvana | anyone know if the hawking |
| 15:18:23 | W|GGL|T | man, i need some coffee |
| 15:18:23 | nirvana | 10/100 lan CF+ card |
| 15:18:33 | W|GGL|T | then i need to clean my damn kitchen |
| 15:18:51 | nirvana | works with the zaurus ? |
| 15:19:12 | angry | Which 802.11b card has the best pickup range with the Z? |
| 15:19:15 | W|GGL|T | nirvana: you couldn't have put that all in one sentence? :oP |
| 15:19:36 | nirvana | W|GGL|T: i know i'm sorry |
| 15:19:40 | nirvana | its a mistake |
| 15:19:43 | W|GGL|T | angry: based on the ZZ wifi info page, it seems the D-Link does |
| 15:19:56 | kergoth`coding | nirvana: dont take us so seriously |
| 15:20:08 | nirvana | ok ;) |
| 15:20:18 | nirvana | sorry also for my very poor english ;) |
| 15:20:26 | W|GGL|T | i was joking....didn't notice my " :oP " at the end of my sentence? |
| 15:21:39 | nirvana | my problmen is that a live in Paris and Sharp don't sell the Zaurus in France |
| 15:21:53 | nirvana | then i must buy it on internet |
| 15:22:46 | nirvana | so i must do the rights choices for the Cf cards (an ethernet and modem card) |
| 15:23:05 | W|GGL|T | angry: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 15:23:14 | angry | thank ya |
| 15:23:26 | angry | ahh but the dlink blox0rz thingies |
| 15:23:28 | Speedy2 | hrm...damn, I might get into a race condition here |
| 15:23:33 | Speedy2 | Thread programming is fraught with this...sigh |
| 15:23:41 | W|GGL|T | angry: that shows the dlink is not the best one, not regarding range |
| 15:23:59 | W|GGL|T | angry: yep, i just make sure my stylus is already out before using it |
| 15:24:21 | W|GGL|T | angry: here's another ---> http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 15:24:26 | nirvana | so anyone know if the hawking card is supported ? |
| 15:24:27 | angry | buffalo is in *.kr - what nation is that? |
| 15:24:46 | W|GGL|T | hrmm |
| 15:24:50 | Speedy2 | Korea |
| 15:24:53 | W|GGL|T | korea? |
| 15:25:11 | XavierXeon | angry: my buffalo is made in taiwan |
| 15:25:23 | angry | ahh |
| 15:25:24 | W|GGL|T | no wonder all i saw was buffalo when i was in japan |
| 15:25:39 | angry | XavierXeon: you like the buffalo? |
| 15:26:02 | XavierXeon | angry: its alright. but i think a need a stronger router (signal) |
| 15:26:29 | angry | XavierXeon: oh, your WLAN access point isnt that great? |
| 15:26:30 | W|GGL|T | buffalo seems the best, rangewise |
| 15:26:58 | W|GGL|T | XavierXeon: tried moving it around? |
| 15:27:07 | XavierXeon | angry i get about 20 m through the walls (lots of steel) with my netgear router |
| 15:27:13 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 15:27:18 | W|GGL|T | the steel part |
| 15:27:29 | W|GGL|T | that's not a router problem :o) |
| 15:27:42 | W|GGL|T | er....ap problem |
| 15:28:00 | kergoth`coding | Speedy2: semaphores are your friends |
| 15:28:37 | angry | is there something that lets you use CF cards on PCMCIA adapter -> cf laptops? will windows automatically pick it up or something |
| 15:29:01 | XavierXeon | angry: there are CF to PCMCIA adapters |
| 15:29:20 | XavierXeon | the pc just thinks its PCMCIA |
| 15:29:23 | W|GGL|T | ive one in my hand, right now |
| 15:29:26 | angry | XavierXeon: thats cool |
| 15:29:32 | BigBoss | is there a CF card that will mount a Smart Media card? |
| 15:29:42 | frankps | angry: I tried it today, it works fine |
| 15:29:45 | angry | is there a CF card that lets you mount a PCMCIA card? |
| 15:29:50 | W|GGL|T | it registers as a drive, in windows |
| 15:30:00 | XavierXeon | angry: yes |
| 15:30:08 | angry | XavierXeon: any idea where i could find that? |
| 15:30:18 | XavierXeon | looking for url... |
| 15:30:24 | angry | XavierXeon: wouldn't that be cheaper than getting a CF 802.11b card? |
| 15:30:58 | W|GGL|T | saw a mouse with built in SD/CF card readers |
| 15:31:03 | W|GGL|T | thought that ws pretty cool |
| 15:31:07 | angry | W|GGL|T: heh i saw that too |
| 15:31:21 | frankps | link? |
| 15:31:26 | angry | W|GGL|T: quite a weird combination :) |
| 15:31:26 | XavierXeon | angry: http://www.sycard.com/cfext165.html |
| 15:31:26 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: I think pretec makes one |
| 15:31:40 | angry | http://www.mittoni.com.au/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/1202 |
| 15:31:57 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: I heard it works fine with the Z |
| 15:32:02 | W|GGL|T | angry: yeah, but then you don't have to worry about all these loose pc parts lying around your room |
| 15:32:18 | JasonNJ | my old digicam was smartmedia |
| 15:32:26 | JasonNJ | I ended up buying a CF camera though |
| 15:33:12 | XavierXeon | WLAN for the Z is cool ! |
| 15:33:22 | W|GGL|T | i second that! |
| 15:33:49 | angry | i third that, even though ive never tried it! |
| 15:34:18 | JasonNJ | z is most useful in a networked environment |
| 15:35:11 | frankps | XavierXeon: What card and basestation do you use? |
| 15:35:29 | angry | frankps: he uses the buffalotech one |
| 15:35:33 | angry | for CF |
| 15:35:39 | W|GGL|T | now im thinking about doing wireless with my other pc and putting it in the spare bedroom |
| 15:35:40 | kergoth`coding | JasonNJ: yes it is.. you could say that statement about linux in general as well, actually |
| 15:35:42 | XavierXeon | frankps: buffalo wlan card and netgear mr314 router |
| 15:35:55 | frankps | Hm buffalotech is something we don't have in Norway |
| 15:36:15 | angry | kergoth`coding: you could also make that statement about Internet Explorer |
| 15:36:26 | W|GGL|T | i wish wlanmon would tell you how far you are from the AP |
| 15:36:31 | kergoth`coding | angry: well obviously :-) |
| 15:36:32 | frankps | Netgear is not commonly used eighter |
| 15:36:56 | angry | hehe |
| 15:37:20 | W|GGL|T | you could also say that about email :oP |
| 15:37:28 | W|GGL|T | gonna make that coffee now |
| 15:37:38 | darienm | What is a dialog box in QT? is there a widget for it, or do I call a new window that is just dialog-sized? |
| 15:37:40 | XavierXeon | you need a network for email ? |
| 15:37:42 | angry | does buffalo use a specially large amount of power? |
| 15:37:48 | warmi | QDialog |
| 15:37:49 | angry | err unusually? |
| 15:37:56 | darienm | okay. |
| 15:38:10 | warmi | darienm: unless you just mean a message box style dialog |
| 15:38:15 | XavierXeon | angry: don't know ! i havent tried any other |
| 15:38:22 | darienm | message box? |
| 15:38:27 | darienm | no. |
| 15:38:32 | darienm | it has to have inputs, etc. |
| 15:38:53 | warmi | yeah .. like you know , canned small dialog with some text and one or two buttens (" Do you want to save your file","Yes","no") |
| 15:39:07 | warmi | darienm: ah ok .. then you need to create your own , derived from QDialog |
| 15:39:30 | warmi | it is just like using QWidget , placing controls on top of it etc ... except that you derive from QDialog |
| 15:40:05 | Oriumpor | the e310 looks soo cool... *sigh* |
| 15:40:17 | | angry: i'm not following you... |
| 15:40:17 | angry | ibot e310 |
| 15:40:19 | angry | gasp |
| 15:40:30 | angry | what is the e310 |
| 15:41:07 | Oriumpor | I really wish I remembered how to tell ibot to remember something |
| 15:41:15 | | OK, angry. |
| 15:41:15 | angry | ibot e310 is toshiba's pocketpc |
| 15:41:17 | angry | heh |
| 15:41:45 | angry | the only thing i wished the Z had was built in speakers, microphone |
| 15:41:54 | BigBoss | isn't it ibot learn? |
| 15:41:58 | BigBoss | ibot help |
| 15:42:28 | BigBoss | wow, try typing those two commands |
| 15:42:34 | BigBoss | i got a private message from ibot |
| 15:42:37 | kergoth`coding | yep. |
| 15:42:47 | | weather is pretty |
| 15:42:47 | BigBoss | ibot weather |
| 15:43:01 | BigBoss | ibot zulutime |
| 15:43:02 | | BigBoss: 291543Z |
| 15:43:12 | | BARBARA STANWYCK makes me nervous!! |
| 15:43:12 | kergoth`coding | ibot yow |
| 15:43:12 | BigBoss | ibot help mickometer |
| 15:43:27 | BigBoss | ibot help nickometer |
| 15:43:47 | | angry: what? |
| 15:43:47 | angry | ibot ugly |
| 15:44:06 | | OK, angry. |
| 15:44:06 | angry | ibot ugly is the whole palm M series |
| 15:44:15 | | angry: sorry... |
| 15:44:15 | angry | ibot sexy |
| 15:44:18 | kergoth`coding | shit, bkbits is down isnt it? |
| 15:44:20 | angry | sexy is the zaurus |
| 15:44:29 | | OK, angry. |
| 15:44:29 | angry | ibot sexy is the zaurus |
| 15:44:32 | | *You* are, Mr Sexy-pants! |
| 15:44:32 | ljp_ | ibot: who's your daddy? |
| 15:44:34 | kergoth`coding | yep, its down. shit. |
| 15:45:10 | warmi | kergoth`coding: what bkbits ? something I be interested in (coding etc) ? |
| 15:45:30 | kergoth`coding | warmi: its a service provided that hosts bitkeeper proejcts for developers, for free |
| 15:45:44 | warmi | ah .. sourceforge style thingy |
| 15:45:55 | kergoth`coding | sorta, yeah |
| 15:45:58 | ljp_ | did the kernel move to bitkeeper? |
| 15:46:03 | kergoth`coding | yes |
| 15:46:06 | fusion94 | kergoth`coding: you're using bitkeeper ? |
| 15:46:23 | kergoth`coding | http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.5 for example |
| 15:46:35 | kergoth`coding | fusion94: yeah |
| 15:46:44 | kergoth`coding | fusion94: for some things anyway |
| 15:46:45 | fusion94 | man you really need help |
| 15:46:46 | Speedy2 | kergoth`coding: need to ask you a question |
| 15:46:50 | kergoth`coding | fusion94: hah |
| 15:46:56 | kergoth`coding | Speedy2: ask away |
| 15:48:08 | ljp_ | oh, I just love trying to develop an app for a device I do not have.. |
| 15:48:19 | kergoth`coding | still no vercel eh? |
| 15:48:39 | ljp_ | nope |
| 15:48:58 | tux_mike | hey, what's the normal ftp password on the Z? |
| 15:49:11 | ljp_ | its like getting vmemo working with an ipaq that I dont have.. |
| 15:49:56 | tux_mike | ljp: you need a damn select all option in opieftp |
| 15:52:02 | [DrEvil] | anyone know about OpenObex? |
| 15:52:03 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah .. I was complaining about ftp thingy as well and they told me "fix it yourself" |
| 15:52:06 | warmi | heeh |
| 15:52:36 | tux_mike | i need to copy 144 files from a cf card now. i don't have time to fix it myself |
| 15:53:23 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: DO you have access to a laptop? |
| 15:53:39 | warmi | tux_mike: just do cmd ftp from the Zaurus |
| 15:53:49 | tux_mike | i need it in the cradle |
| 15:54:29 | tux_mike | ok, this is starting to piss me off... i can't get any of the files now |
| 15:54:47 | tux_mike | Speedy2: no |
| 15:54:55 | tux_mike | my laptop is dead in the repair shop |
| 15:55:03 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 15:55:20 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Sorry to hear that. |
| 15:56:01 | tux_mike | when i try to ls in /mnt/cf it just dies |
| 15:57:29 | tux_mike | and kergoth still hasn't put a command line ftp onto this |
| 15:57:56 | ljp- | scp |
| 15:58:04 | tux_mike | scp doesn't work to my server |
| 15:58:08 | tux_mike | or desktop |
| 15:58:15 | ljp- | oh |
| 15:58:19 | tux_mike | it complains about line being too long or something |
| 15:58:19 | kergoth`coding | tux_mike: i havent? i thought that was in netkit-ftp |
| 15:58:24 | kergoth`coding | hm |
| 15:58:47 | tux_mike | ftp: No such file or directory |
| 15:59:23 | kergoth`coding | tux_mike: is netkit-ftp installed? |
| 16:00:10 | tux_mike | no |
| 16:00:19 | tux_mike | is it on feed? |
| 16:00:33 | kergoth`coding | tux_mike: should be |
| 16:02:22 | tux_mike | it's not on the OZ feed |
| 16:02:37 | kergoth`coding | tux_mike: thats odd, i had it building.. hm i'll look into it |
| 16:02:41 | Oriumpor | man ... I really want a friggen laptop :P |
| 16:03:07 | Oriumpor | Something I can put linux on and not worry about having to boot into 2k |
| 16:03:40 | tux_mike | i'm sorry if i'm getting bitchy, i'm on little sleep, a lot of pain, and i'm being hounded to get these files up |
| 16:03:46 | kergoth`coding | tux_mike: np, been there |
| 16:03:58 | kergoth`coding | tux_mike: could swipe teh familiar package :-) |
| 16:06:07 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: have you messed with OpenObex? |
| 16:06:28 | Oriumpor | tux_mike: IEEE support any good in linux? |
| 16:06:30 | tux_mike | kergoth: what's the ftp site, i went to ftp.hh.org and the familiar dir is empty |
| 16:06:44 | tux_mike | Oriumpor: what IEEE standard? |
| 16:06:56 | kergoth`coding | tux_mike: why not wget the ftp package |
| 16:07:01 | | i heard unstable feed was at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 16:07:01 | kergoth`coding | ibot: unstable feed? |
| 16:07:23 | kergoth`coding | Oriumpor: you rreferring to ieee1394, aka firewire? |
| 16:07:32 | kergoth`coding | [DrEvil]: not much, only to build it |
| 16:07:42 | kergoth`coding | [DrEvil]: that is, i've compiled it, not used it. heh |
| 16:07:50 | [DrEvil] | do you know how compatable it is with the sharp obex? |
| 16:07:57 | kergoth`coding | openobex is openobex. |
| 16:08:08 | kergoth`coding | sharp just has a qt layer on top of it that varies from how opie does it. |
| 16:08:13 | kergoth`coding | lowest level, its just openobex |
| 16:08:19 | kergoth`coding | i even use the sharp openobex sources in oz |
| 16:08:22 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 16:08:26 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 16:08:27 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 16:08:39 | [DrEvil] | I thought sharp used a proprietry library |
| 16:08:54 | kergoth`coding | well, the qt layer is closed source.. but not the lowest layer :-) |
| 16:09:01 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 16:09:02 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 16:09:03 | [DrEvil] | good |
| 16:09:08 | whardier | my fake skin has boned with my real skin at a rather unhealthy level |
| 16:09:13 | whardier | bonded |
| 16:09:14 | whardier | baba |
| 16:09:15 | [DrEvil] | I found a program for linux for my cell phone |
| 16:09:16 | whardier | boned! |
| 16:09:17 | kergoth`coding | whardier: what the hell does that mean |
| 16:09:18 | tux_mike | kergoth: no such luck, i don't see it in there |
| 16:09:35 | kergoth`coding | tux_mike: just 'ftp' perhaps? |
| 16:09:39 | whardier | kergoth.. my fake skin bandaid is now infused with the wound |
| 16:09:53 | kergoth`coding | whardier: ah. screw bandaids, thats what scabs are for. |
| 16:09:56 | kergoth`coding | whardier: heh |
| 16:10:12 | whardier | well.. this was a nasty cut |
| 16:10:35 | whardier | you wanna see? |
| 16:10:54 | kergoth`coding | hah |
| 16:11:07 | kergoth`coding | bandaids are good for holding it shut, thats true |
| 16:11:09 | kergoth`coding | thats about all though |
| 16:11:15 | kergoth`coding | tux_mike: yep, its just called 'ftp' |
| 16:11:40 | kergoth`coding | aha |
| 16:11:44 | kergoth`coding | i love 'fortune' |
| 16:11:46 | kergoth`coding | In Lowes Crossroads, Delaware, it is a violation of local law for any |
| 16:11:47 | kergoth`coding | pilot or passenger to carry an ice cream cone in their pocket while |
| 16:11:47 | kergoth`coding | either flying or waiting to board a plane. |
| 16:11:57 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 16:11:58 | Speedy2 | Why? |
| 16:12:10 | kergoth`coding | who puts an ice cream cone in their pocket anyway? |
| 16:12:15 | kergoth`coding | i mean, you'd get your pants all goey |
| 16:12:45 | Speedy2 | kergoth`coding: That's one way to look at it |
| 16:12:45 | Speedy2 | Or |
| 16:12:51 | Speedy2 | Airconditioner in your pocket |
| 16:12:55 | kergoth`coding | hah |
| 16:12:56 | kergoth`coding | true that |
| 16:12:58 | kergoth`coding | re cranch |
| 16:13:18 | kergoth_ | no kernel coding for me till bkbits comes back up |
| 16:13:18 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 16:13:20 | kergoth_ | grr |
| 16:13:28 | cranch | re cranch? |
| 16:13:30 | cranch | did I miss something |
| 16:13:34 | treke|work | bkbits? |
| 16:13:46 | kergoth_ | treke|work: hosted bitkeeper projects |
| 16:13:50 | treke|work | ah |
| 16:13:59 | kergoth_ | treke|work: cant get to my tree i'm working on atm |
| 16:14:00 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 16:14:25 | cranch | is confused |
| 16:14:46 | | kergoth`coding was last seen on #zaurus 1 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: re cranch [Mon Jul 29 17:12:58 2002] |
| 16:14:46 | cranch | ibot: seen kergoth`coding |
| 16:15:03 | | cranch: what? |
| 16:15:03 | cranch | ibot: openz |
| 16:15:09 | | OpenZaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 16:15:09 | cranch | ibot: OpenZaurus |
| 16:16:07 | cranch | where is everyone... |
| 16:16:21 | kergoth_ | its monday |
| 16:16:27 | cranch | haha |
| 16:16:28 | cranch | true |
| 16:16:35 | kergoth_ | probably out fixing things that broke spontaniously |
| 16:16:38 | cranch | haha |
| 16:16:45 | cranch | I'm hooked on OpenZ |
| 16:16:57 | cranch | I flashed back to SharpROM and I don't like it as much |
| 16:16:59 | codemnky | kergoth will be pleased to hear that |
| 16:17:04 | cranch | hehe |
| 16:17:30 | codemnky | what's going on |
| 16:17:34 | kergoth_ | nada |
| 16:17:37 | cranch | the only thing I was wondering...people are talking about the internal flash memory wearing out on the Z from flashing a large number of tiimes |
| 16:17:45 | codemnky | i actually switch to sharpROM and have'nt updated openZ latley |
| 16:18:04 | kergoth_ | cranch: dont worry about it |
| 16:18:04 | codemnky | that sounds like a myth, i wonder if it's true |
| 16:18:15 | kergoth_ | codemnky: you can wear out flash.. |
| 16:18:21 | codemnky | interesting |
| 16:18:34 | cranch | after how long kergoth...any clues? |
| 16:18:36 | kergoth_ | codemnky: but it takes some trillion writes |
| 16:18:42 | kergoth_ | codemnky: or something along those lines |
| 16:18:48 | cranch | will never wear his out then |
| 16:18:54 | kergoth_ | codemnky, cranch: and with wear leveling (which jffs2 does), you dont have a problem |
| 16:18:55 | codemnky | hell, you can wear anything out with that many uses |
| 16:19:03 | cranch | true |
| 16:19:08 | kergoth_ | cranch: worst case, you can put your Documents and Applications dirs in ram |
| 16:19:11 | Speedy2 | Newsgroups: dfw.forsale |
| 16:19:11 | Speedy2 | Three CompactFlash 128mb $39.00 each |
| 16:19:11 | Speedy2 | Two SmartMedia 128mb $38.00 each |
| 16:19:18 | kergoth_ | cranch: if you're worried.. then the only writes would be actual app installs |
| 16:19:21 | codemnky | good price |
| 16:19:29 | cranch | isn't worried |
| 16:19:38 | cranch | I have a 3-year service plan from Best Buy |
| 16:19:53 | cranch | worse case the flash dies and I have to get a better PDA |
| 16:20:05 | codemnky | damn, i should have bought mine there! |
| 16:20:27 | cranch | I'd get $313 back |
| 16:20:31 | cranch | towards a new one |
| 16:21:31 | kergoth_ | hey roge99 |
| 16:21:33 | cranch | does the OpenZ rom come with Konqueror installed? |
| 16:21:40 | kergoth_ | cranch: not by default |
| 16:21:44 | Neo|Work | kergoth: fyi, /dev/ttyS2 == IR - /dev/ttySA2 doesn't exist (meaning "no such device" or whatever) |
| 16:21:47 | kergoth_ | cranch: its in the feed. |
| 16:21:51 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth |
| 16:21:52 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: errr |
| 16:21:54 | roge99_laptop | how goes it |
| 16:21:56 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: thats broken. |
| 16:21:59 | cranch | I saw that..it tries to install to /mnt/cf correct? |
| 16:22:04 | Neo|Work | that is how my Zaurus us |
| 16:22:05 | Neo|Work | is |
| 16:22:07 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: ttySA is supposed to be the serial ports on the strongarm.. wtf |
| 16:22:13 | kergoth_ | cranch: it installs where you put it |
| 16:22:19 | cranch | k... |
| 16:22:20 | cranch | ;) |
| 16:22:26 | kergoth_ | cranch: in the package manager you select a install destination.. mtdram, cf, sd, root |
| 16:22:38 | cranch | oh duh... |
| 16:22:41 | kergoth_ | cranch: mtdram of course being your ramdisk |
| 16:23:04 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: so did you get the IR stuff working? |
| 16:23:52 | prpplague | Oriumpor: did you get that url for sd and cf card compatiblity? |
| 16:23:55 | warmi | Neo|Work: is SDL rotating blit ( the one that does 4 pixels at a time in 2x2 blocks) the same thign you are using in your games ? |
| 16:24:20 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes |
| 16:24:32 | Neo|Work | I have a couple of iterations of it but that's it |
| 16:24:40 | warmi | Neo|Work: I clocked it at 15 ms for the full screen blit |
| 16:24:52 | Neo|Work | I have one that does the blit for 90 degree rotation too (i.e ipaq 38xx) |
| 16:24:59 | warmi | you said about 8ms .. perhaps we are measuring it differently |
| 16:25:01 | Neo|Work | I have clocked it several times |
| 16:25:09 | Neo|Work | it's around 8-9 ms |
| 16:25:23 | Neo|Work | how do you clock it? |
| 16:25:28 | warmi | one sec |
| 16:26:00 | warmi | Qt QTime::start() |
| 16:26:06 | warmi | and QTime::elapsed |
| 16:26:16 | Oriumpor | prpplague: nope |
| 16:26:28 | tux_mike | woot wget is working |
| 16:26:31 | warmi | t.start(); |
| 16:26:36 | warmi | ... // some lengthy task |
| 16:26:40 | cranch | under the zImage sections of OpenZ (download at SF) there are two zImage-40-24's....why is that? |
| 16:26:41 | tux_mike | can someone help me with a quick shell script? :) |
| 16:26:41 | warmi | qDebug( "%d\n", t.elapsed() ); |
| 16:26:48 | kergoth_ | cranch: i have no idea |
| 16:26:53 | kergoth_ | cranch: i think its a sf screwup |
| 16:26:54 | Neo|Work | I don't know how those works. I use gettimeofday |
| 16:26:56 | cranch | just checking :) |
| 16:27:02 | tux_mike | i can't think worth a damn right now |
| 16:27:19 | cranch | I can't think ever |
| 16:27:43 | kergoth_ | cranch: well, at least you realize it |
| 16:27:44 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 16:27:55 | warmi | Neo|Work: I understand this rotating blit is not pixel acurate .. due to alignment issues it will only do aligned locations right ? |
| 16:28:03 | kergoth_ | bored. |
| 16:28:05 | kergoth_ | no calls to take. |
| 16:28:08 | kergoth_ | and bkbits down |
| 16:28:09 | kergoth_ | sniffle |
| 16:28:11 | Neo|Work | it will align itself |
| 16:28:32 | Neo|Work | but might of course do up to 2 pixels in each dimension more |
| 16:28:41 | Neo|Work | (i.e a 10x10 blit might be 12x12 |
| 16:28:57 | warmi | yeah, but if the bitmap itself ( the source) is say 11 pixels wide |
| 16:29:05 | warmi | will it handle that ? |
| 16:29:12 | Speedy2 | kergoth_: Don't be bored, go do some massive amounts of Angel Dust. |
| 16:29:21 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: i'm at work :-) |
| 16:29:30 | sjohnson-lunch | is back (gone 01:14:05) |
| 16:30:05 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Your point? |
| 16:30:14 | Neo|Work | it handles blitting from a 240x320 image to the display |
| 16:30:15 | warmi | Neo|Work: uh .. never mind :-) |
| 16:30:16 | Neo|Work | that's it |
| 16:30:22 | warmi | yeah, I know :-) |
| 16:30:23 | warmi | sorry |
| 16:31:29 | br33zy | moo guys.. |
| 16:31:30 | br33zy | moo |
| 16:31:32 | warmi | I am asking cause I spend weekend writing general rotatin blitter ( works the same way as QPainter:drawPixmap() ) and I am having tons of problems with alignment issues |
| 16:33:19 | warmi | you mean , when you click on the button , the method you use to handle this does't get called or it gets called but it doesn't work ? |
| 16:37:23 | kergoth_ | oh my |
| 16:37:26 | kergoth_ | dont do a make openzaurus with -j |
| 16:37:27 | kergoth_ | ever |
| 16:37:50 | Nadav | haha |
| 16:38:01 | Nadav | I'll try to remember that |
| 16:38:16 | kergoth_ | i just watched 4 make oldconfigs run in my kernel tree, simultaniously |
| 16:38:20 | kergoth_ | thats not supposed to happen |
| 16:38:21 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 16:38:24 | prpplague | kergoth: what is the -j? |
| 16:38:27 | Nadav | heh |
| 16:38:35 | kergoth_ | prpplague: runs multiplke makes simultaniously |
| 16:38:44 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh |
| 16:38:46 | kergoth_ | prpplague: builds faster, especially on SMP machines. break up the load |
| 16:39:00 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh, i'll have to remember that |
| 16:39:00 | kergoth_ | prpplague: but apparently the oz buildsystem isnt doing something sanely.. heh |
| 16:39:12 | kergoth_ | prpplague: fyi, make -j will have no limit to the number of makes it spawns |
| 16:39:19 | kergoth_ | prpplague: and will likely bring the system to its knees |
| 16:39:31 | kergoth_ | prpplague: but like make -j8 or -j4 is sane |
| 16:39:32 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 16:40:35 | prpplague | kergoth_: fun |
| 16:41:01 | kergoth_ | prpplague: yeh it is. there are open source tools to run those spawned off makes on remote machines via ssh, thereby creating a poor mans compile cluster |
| 16:41:02 | kergoth_ | hehh |
| 16:41:29 | kergoth_ | boreddddd mustttt codeeee |
| 16:41:42 | Neo|Work | ui.cpp: In function `void maingameloop()': |
| 16:41:43 | Neo|Work | ui.cpp:4669: internal error--unrecognizable insn: |
| 16:41:43 | Neo|Work | (insn 859 851 865 (set (reg:SI 348) |
| 16:41:43 | Neo|Work | (zero_extend:SI (mem/s:QI (plus:SI (reg:SI 329) |
| 16:41:43 | Neo|Work | (subreg:SI (reg:DI 288) 0)) 0))) -1 (nil) |
| 16:41:43 | Neo|Work | (nil)) |
| 16:41:45 | Neo|Work | cpp: output pipe has been closed |
| 16:41:48 | Neo|Work | what the hell!?! |
| 16:41:50 | kergoth_ | ack |
| 16:41:54 | kergoth_ | thats really really unpleasant |
| 16:42:16 | Neo|Work | never had a problem before! |
| 16:44:08 | Neo|Work | one should note that make -j2 or -j3 rarely are faster than make |
| 16:44:12 | Neo|Work | on a single cpu box that is |
| 16:44:20 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 16:44:26 | kergoth_ | works nice on smp though |
| 16:44:29 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 16:44:44 | ljp- | and if you use somethign like teambuilder |
| 16:44:49 | kergoth_ | yeah |
| 16:45:13 | kergoth_ | damnit bkbits.net come back so i can code! |
| 16:45:20 | kergoth_ | goes back to reading the arm asm doc |
| 16:45:56 | noidd | you guys have 5 seconds for an off-the-wall kernel question (x86, not arm) |
| 16:46:12 | noidd | its a little more on-topic than politics, I promise :-) |
| 16:47:27 | noidd | starting up cardmgr on my machine hangs it hard... any suggestions where to start? Also, the recognition of card type, is that done from a table within the kernel or within cardmgr ? |
| 16:48:10 | Neo|Work | what the fuck. as soon as I enable optimization I get the above error, even when I try just to get a .s file out |
| 16:48:51 | sjohnson | noidd: Card identification is done in user space via 'cardctl ident <slot>' |
| 16:49:05 | kergoth_ | noidd: /etc/pcmcia/config, /etc/pcmcia/wireless.conf, /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf, and others, hold card definitions |
| 16:49:15 | kergoth_ | yeh |
| 16:49:18 | kergoth_ | i hate the pcmcia sysstem |
| 16:49:22 | Speedy2 | Agreed! |
| 16:49:25 | kergoth_ | why cant it just use hotplug for gods sake |
| 16:49:34 | Speedy2 | USB is the PCMCIA of the serial world |
| 16:49:36 | noidd | thanks guys, my sd card has started appearing as an anonymous memory card instead of an ide disk |
| 16:49:37 | noidd | :-( |
| 16:49:44 | Speedy2 | And Bluetooth is the PCMCIA of the RF world |
| 16:49:45 | kergoth_ | is glad pcmcia rewrite is on someones todo list |
| 16:49:47 | sjohnson | kergoth_: Isn't part of 2.5 merging pcmcia into hotplug? |
| 16:49:52 | kergoth_ | yeah |
| 16:49:54 | kergoth_ | the rewrite |
| 16:50:05 | noidd | but now, its just hanging my machine completely... |
| 16:50:06 | kergoth_ | david woodhouse started on it, but it seems idle atm |
| 16:50:16 | noidd | says "watching 2 sockets" and bang, gone |
| 16:50:24 | noidd | no more, dead, it is an ex-kernel. |
| 16:51:27 | angry | usb2 is the PCMCIA of the usb world |
| 16:51:29 | angry | hehe |
| 16:51:37 | Speedy2 | USB2 is an abominiation |
| 16:51:53 | kergoth_ | it is? |
| 16:51:58 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 16:52:05 | angry | how about firewire |
| 16:52:12 | Speedy2 | Firewire is the way we should have gone |
| 16:52:16 | Speedy2 | If TI weren't such asses |
| 16:53:44 | ljp- | why is usb2 so bad, in your opinion? |
| 16:53:55 | Speedy2 | Long story, won't get into it now |
| 16:53:59 | Speedy2 | I'm semi-conscious |
| 16:55:57 | Neo|Work | unsigned short RGB565(unsigned long col) { |
| 16:55:57 | Neo|Work | return (gam [((col&0xFF)>>3)]<<11)|(gamg[((col&0xFF00)>>10)]<<5)|gam [(col&0xFF0000)>>19]; |
| 16:55:57 | Neo|Work | } |
| 16:56:07 | Neo|Work | if i use inline above, or make it a define, I get that error |
| 16:56:09 | Neo|Work | how lame. :) |
| 16:56:24 | warmi | Neo|Work: what kind of error ? |
| 16:56:27 | ljp- | dont do that then.. ;) |
| 16:56:34 | Neo|Work | ui.cpp:4669: internal error--unrecognizable insn: |
| 16:56:45 | Speedy2 | warmi: Is it 5:6:5 because humans can see more green than other colors? |
| 16:56:49 | Neo|Work | I really don't want to have that non-inlined but since I can't help it I suppose i will |
| 16:57:08 | ardiri | neo: try breaking it up into multi lines.. see where it is failing. |
| 16:57:14 | ardiri | gam and gamg? |
| 16:57:17 | ardiri | was that a c+p error? |
| 16:57:53 | cranch | when is the divx player comin gout |
| 16:58:03 | Neo|Work | ardiri: it was on purpose. |
| 16:58:03 | angry | for the Z |
| 16:58:07 | angry | i thought there already wa sone |
| 16:58:22 | Neo|Work | and multiple lines doesn't help - it doesn't die in the method itself but when returning from a method using it |
| 16:58:27 | Neo|Work | or something along those lines |
| 16:58:29 | ardiri | neo: ok, if you break the statement over multiple lines, the compiler might barf more specifically |
| 16:58:37 | ardiri | internal error = bad error message :) |
| 16:58:39 | ardiri | doesn't help much |
| 16:58:44 | treke|work | cranch: maybe this month |
| 16:58:53 | Neo|Work | ardiri: I tried. doesn't help :-P |
| 16:59:00 | ardiri | treke: you working on divX player? |
| 16:59:06 | treke|work | ardiri: no |
| 16:59:12 | ardiri | whos working on the divX player? |
| 16:59:17 | treke|work | thekompany |
| 16:59:20 | ardiri | neo: compiler bug :) |
| 16:59:29 | ljp- | there's a divx player in the works in opie |
| 16:59:31 | cranch | BigBoss was saying its about done... |
| 16:59:37 | cranch | really ljp? |
| 16:59:40 | cranch | how soon is that coming out |
| 16:59:41 | ljp- | ya |
| 16:59:44 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. internal error sucks .. there is no way around it except to do it some other way that doesn't send your compiler bezerk |
| 16:59:45 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:59:45 | ljp- | dont know.. |
| 16:59:56 | ardiri | neo: have you tried compiling with -S? |
| 17:00:13 | ardiri | neo: see how far it gets with the assembly.. how about turning off optimizations for that chunk of code? |
| 17:00:19 | ardiri | many ways to debug the sucker |
| 17:00:22 | ljp- | right now.. theres a few problems such as memory usage and making the video available in a qpe widget |
| 17:01:04 | cranch | i see |
| 17:01:09 | warmi | ardiri: better to enable to mixed output C+ asm but unfortunately I forgot the flags needed for that |
| 17:01:21 | ardiri | gcc -help? man gcc? :) hehe |
| 17:01:31 | ardiri | --help :) |
| 17:01:32 | ardiri | heh |
| 17:02:10 | Neo|Work | warmi: Avg ms/f updateScreen: 8.4732, this = 8.068 ms |
| 17:02:31 | Neo|Work | that's in strategic assault after quite a few frames |
| 17:02:44 | Neo|Work | the method used in SDL is probably a bit slower but not much |
| 17:02:59 | warmi | Neo|Work: can you show me the piece of code jsut for benchmarking ( 2 -3 lines ) ? |
| 17:03:18 | Neo|Work | I know I got like 10 ms / frame in candy cruncher and that was with the extra layers of the game framework |
| 17:04:06 | prpplague | kergoth_: hey, would removing the collie_fl break the qt/opie fl control? |
| 17:04:16 | kergoth_ | prpplague: yep. |
| 17:04:36 | kergoth_ | prpplague: we could easily fix it in opie code, but previous opie versions would lose the ability to conttrol it.. |
| 17:05:14 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/bench.txt is what I use |
| 17:05:17 | kergoth_ | prpplague: why not keep collie_fl around? have it as purely compatibility cruft, depcrecated in favor of the new interface. |
| 17:05:28 | warmi | Neo|Work: thanks |
| 17:05:56 | prpplague | kergoth_: yes, that was my intention, but i wanted to pose the question to make sure it was the case |
| 17:06:18 | cranch | is clueless on how to install any tkc apps on his OpenZaurus |
| 17:06:23 | prpplague | kergoth_: the addition of the /proc entry doesn't look to difficult right now |
| 17:06:26 | ljp- | widgets.. go ahead.. say it.. |
| 17:06:34 | kergoth_ | prpplague: proc is easy.. lame, but easy .. hehe |
| 17:06:54 | kergoth_ | cranch: uh, tap on them in you rdocuments tab? |
| 17:06:56 | prpplague | kergoth_: lol, hey now...... |
| 17:07:11 | ljp- | cranch: run oipkg from embeddedkonsole |
| 17:07:13 | warmi | Neo|Work: I have noticed with my testing that blitting time varries from 8 ms to 23 with the same bitmap etc ... just doing one test after another |
| 17:07:14 | kergoth_ | prpplague: seriously, /proc sucks. there's no standard interfaces in there |
| 17:07:18 | kergoth_ | prpplague: heh |
| 17:07:21 | kergoth_ | prpplague: but it works |
| 17:07:23 | warmi | perhaps that QTime method is shaky |
| 17:07:40 | warmi | I will have to go to standard C stuff |
| 17:07:45 | warmi | just like you are doing it |
| 17:08:03 | prpplague | kergoth_: i agree about the standard, but thats kinda what makes proc usefull, that way enduser apps can be bastardized to work with odd formats |
| 17:08:09 | ljp- | QTime is most likely a wrapper for the standard time.h stuff |
| 17:08:17 | kergoth_ | prpplague: yep. it has its uses. |
| 17:08:39 | prpplague | kergoth_: i like being able to pass arghs to devices via a echo in a script |
| 17:08:59 | warmi | ljp-: yeah .. that's what I thought too |
| 17:09:06 | BigBoss | tkcVideo is going on sale by tomorrow it looks like |
| 17:09:07 | ljp- | I once did an echo at Grand Canyon |
| 17:09:11 | BigBoss | intro price of just $14.95 |
| 17:09:21 | BigBoss | mpeg1/mpeg2/mpeg4/divx/avi and others |
| 17:09:25 | warmi | but it clocks Neos blit at 15 consistenly .. while he clocks this stuff at 8 ms |
| 17:09:41 | kergoth_ | prpplague: yes, thats one of its big advantages |
| 17:10:05 | ljp- | anyone ever figure out a screen refresh rate for the Z? |
| 17:10:20 | warmi | ljp-: nobody seem to know |
| 17:10:36 | prpplague | kergoth_: don't get me wrong, that can get nasty really quick, but for little stuff it'll do |
| 17:11:03 | warmi | ljp-: well, it doesn't matter anyway ... as it stands now, we can't synch to it anyway |
| 17:12:37 | prpplague | kergoth_: ok, so to recap, we are adding( not removing the collie_fl) a /proc/sys/fl/fl that will receive a 8 bit value (0-255) for the fl intensity and respond with the current value |
| 17:13:00 | Neo|Work | warmi: note that time DOES wary.. |
| 17:13:23 | kergoth_ | prpplague: yes. doesnt the ipaq do this also? |
| 17:13:24 | Neo|Work | warmi: stupid question, did you compile with -O2? |
| 17:13:33 | kergoth_ | prpplague: if so, we can use their interface for consistency |
| 17:14:06 | prpplague | kergoth_: i'm not aware of the config of the ipaq, however, the yopy has the same interface and that is the code i'm looking at now |
| 17:14:21 | prpplague | kergoth_: i'll look at the ipaq code now |
| 17:14:30 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 17:14:31 | Neo|Work | warmi: because, without optimization I believe I got somewhere around 15 ms |
| 17:14:31 | kergoth_ | prpplague: okay, cool. |
| 17:14:43 | warmi | NeoTron: but I will double check |
| 17:14:48 | Neo|Work | warmi: even my one-pixel-at-a-time was about 16 ms |
| 17:14:57 | Neo|Work | so 15 ms for word-at-a-time is too slow (TM) |
| 17:15:05 | Neo|Work | is that using my method btw? |
| 17:15:08 | kergoth_ | prpplague: hmm, we should add a 'collie' document to Documentation/arm/SA1100/ in the kernel sources |
| 17:15:13 | warmi | Neo|Work: I told gcc to disasemble your stuff and see what it does there ( asm) |
| 17:15:20 | kergoth_ | prpplague: that outlines things like the collie_fl deprecated interface |
| 17:15:36 | warmi | Neo|Work: and it does it pretty well .. except for constant accesing of stack .. |
| 17:16:28 | warmi | Neo|Work: but I will ensure it has 02 compiled |
| 17:16:36 | warmi | so you are saying that gcc is that good ? |
| 17:16:55 | warmi | cut execution time by 100% with -02 ? |
| 17:16:56 | Neo|Work | -O2 makes the asm about 1/2 the size |
| 17:17:01 | warmi | hmm .. that's not bad |
| 17:17:06 | Neo|Work | uh. no, but by 50% or so. :) |
| 17:17:18 | Speedy2 | loop un-roll LIKE A MOFO |
| 17:17:24 | Neo|Work | 100% cut in time would be helluva good. :)) |
| 17:17:28 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:17:29 | Neo|Work | Speedy2: actually no |
| 17:17:45 | Neo|Work | -O3 might do unrolling but I doubt it |
| 17:17:53 | Speedy2 | -funroll-loops |
| 17:17:55 | Speedy2 | or -O3 |
| 17:18:00 | Speedy2 | But GCC does weird shit anyway |
| 17:18:14 | Neo|Work | not that it affects speed much - the time is not for running the loops |
| 17:18:53 | warmi | it is port doing the masking and lsr/lsl stuff |
| 17:19:00 | warmi | it is for |
| 17:19:41 | ljp- | ibot: message for benmeyer: could you possibly find out the screen refresh rate for the Zaurus from Sharp's hardware guys? :) |
| 17:20:00 | Speedy2 | ljp: It's either 60Hz, 70Hz, 72Hz or 75Hz |
| 17:20:33 | warmi | the question is how much time you got during the vertical blank return |
| 17:20:54 | warmi | I remember it was imperative , in old days, to fit screen refresh in that time frame |
| 17:20:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:22:02 | CmdrChalupa | has anyone seen or heard of a garmin to zaurus serial cable? |
| 17:22:20 | warmi | anyone know if -g will cause compiler to disregard -O2 or -O3 ? |
| 17:22:31 | warmi | the way MS compiler does .. |
| 17:23:37 | oGMo | warmi: nope |
| 17:24:02 | oGMo | in fact, some stuff needs -O2, some stuff might even need -g -O2 |
| 17:24:03 | warmi | oGMo: thanks |
| 17:24:19 | CmdrChalupa | I guess not |
| 17:24:26 | warmi | -g is just for including debugging info |
| 17:24:45 | Nadav | bah |
| 17:24:47 | oGMo | warmi: yeah |
| 17:25:10 | warmi | as far as I know, VC++ used to disrgard optimization flags if asked to include debugging info ( kind of makes sense) |
| 17:25:36 | oGMo | that won't work for g++, some stuff absolutely needs -O2, like the kernel |
| 17:25:37 | CmdrChalupa | why would that make sense |
| 17:25:49 | CmdrChalupa | I've been bitten in the arse by optimizers? |
| 17:25:56 | oGMo | speaking of g++, anyone on gcc 3.2? it's not quite released yet, but ... |
| 17:26:24 | warmi | CmdrChalupa: well, when you are debugging code , you want to see it as clearly as it gets .. and with 0x enabled you compiler tends to shuffle stuff around which makes debugging harder |
| 17:27:04 | warmi | the only problem is when including 0x cause your compiler to generate buggy code as some previous versions of VC++ used to do |
| 17:27:10 | Neo|Work | of course, sometimes what you want to debug is actually CAUSED by optimizations |
| 17:27:20 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 17:27:45 | Neo|Work | warmi: in either case, is the 15 ms from my method? If so, seems awfully slow. :)) |
| 17:28:05 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. I just pulled the code from SDL latest cvs stuff |
| 17:28:07 | Neo|Work | perhaps I should make a benchmark |
| 17:28:24 | warmi | but I am still not sure if I did it with -02 .. I will have to check |
| 17:28:54 | CmdrChalupa | so nobody knows of a way to hook up a garmin gps to a zaurus? |
| 17:29:03 | warmi | the code seemed tight , just 5-6 instructions for each of these two lines that rotate the pixels |
| 17:29:08 | Neo|Work | unless the method is half as fast (it handles different sizes areas, which SA doesn't use) |
| 17:29:14 | Neo|Work | which I'd been very surprised of |
| 17:29:30 | Neo|Work | where did you do the timing? at what level? |
| 17:29:38 | Neo|Work | it what went between it |
| 17:29:41 | warmi | Neo|Work: that's not it .. this matters only in setup time .. |
| 17:29:56 | Neo|Work | warmi: right, should be neglectible |
| 17:30:04 | Neo|Work | it does have somewhat more calculations though |
| 17:30:15 | kergoth_ | CmdrChalupa: buy the Z serial cable. plug it in. |
| 17:30:22 | Neo|Work | hrm, or to be exact, I think it adds a variable rather than a constant at some places |
| 17:30:44 | warmi | that's still nothing |
| 17:30:45 | neurosys | Whats the difference between reflective and transreflective |
| 17:30:45 | neurosys | ? |
| 17:31:05 | kergoth_ | neurosys: google. |
| 17:31:14 | warmi | 90% of time is spend in that two liner where you co pixel rotation and storing, reading the values |
| 17:31:33 | jmhodges | ok usbcore, usb-uhci modprobed and alias usb0 usbdnet in modules.conf all taken care of |
| 17:31:36 | jmhodges | but i have no Z |
| 17:31:41 | jmhodges | er.. no usb0 |
| 17:31:44 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 17:31:46 | neurosys | kergoth_: homo. |
| 17:31:54 | kergoth_ | lol |
| 17:31:59 | kergoth_ | fools |
| 17:32:04 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: dmesg? anythign useful? |
| 17:32:12 | warmi | Neo|Work: in your internal blitting code ( memory buffer stuff) do you require stuff to be 2 pixel aligned ? |
| 17:32:21 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: you should use hotplug you know :-) |
| 17:32:26 | warmi | like require pixmaps width to be divisible by 2 |
| 17:32:51 | jmhodges | kergoth_: requires a patch no? |
| 17:32:58 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: hotplug is user space. |
| 17:32:58 | jmhodges | kergoth_: maybe my next recompile :) |
| 17:33:03 | jmhodges | reaaaaaaaally |
| 17:33:08 | jmhodges | hmmmm. |
| 17:33:13 | Neo|Work | warmi: of course. it has to be |
| 17:33:14 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: well, your kernel has hotplug support, what you're MISSING is the user space utils. |
| 17:33:19 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: most likely anyway |
| 17:33:23 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: heh |
| 17:33:28 | Neo|Work | but in SA I simply copy two areas (240x240 and 240x80) to the display |
| 17:33:34 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: hotplug will automatically load the modules you need as you need them. |
| 17:33:37 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: it rocks :-) |
| 17:33:43 | jmhodges | hmm.. interesting |
| 17:33:55 | warmi | Neo|Work: I mean code that operates on your internal buffer .. like drawing sprites in memmory etc |
| 17:33:58 | warmi | not the final blit |
| 17:33:59 | jmhodges | kergoth_: where is the hotplug support in the kern? |
| 17:34:02 | Neo|Work | nono |
| 17:34:08 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: also, like in redhat for example it runs 'ifup usb0' when the inteface is available, and you just run netconfig to configure the interface |
| 17:34:17 | Neo|Work | well, it differs I guess. some code does it some doesn't |
| 17:34:27 | Neo|Work | it's not my engine(s) so I didn't write the code |
| 17:34:32 | warmi | ok |
| 17:34:32 | Neo|Work | some uses memcpy, some longs etc |
| 17:34:34 | Neo|Work | some shorts |
| 17:34:41 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: |
| 17:34:43 | kergoth_ | CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y |
| 17:34:44 | jmhodges | kergoth_: not familiar with ifup |
| 17:34:44 | kergoth_ | kergoth@hyperion |
| 17:34:47 | warmi | well, in case of C , compiler takes care of that |
| 17:34:47 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 17:34:52 | jmhodges | kergoth_: lol |
| 17:34:58 | kergoth_ | CONFIG_HOTPLUG |
| 17:34:59 | kergoth_ | easy enough |
| 17:35:01 | kergoth_ | hehh |
| 17:35:02 | warmi | no "bus error" misaligned stuff |
| 17:35:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:35:04 | jmhodges | kergoth_: ok ok.. ill find it in my kernelconfig file |
| 17:35:24 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: you dont need to be familiar with ifup, the point is hotplug runs your distribution's method for brining up network interfaces |
| 17:35:27 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: :-) |
| 17:35:49 | kergoth_ | brb |
| 17:35:51 | jmhodges | kergoth_: oh i do have it enabled |
| 17:35:58 | jmhodges | kergoth_: cool :) |
| 17:37:27 | warmi | BinaryApp << I like that one |
| 17:37:29 | warmi | heh |
| 17:37:34 | warmi | Ape even |
| 17:38:21 | warmi | Neo|Work: btw .. .. have you tried to clock QPainter.drawPixmap() ?? |
| 17:38:30 | warmi | not drawImage() but drawPixmap() |
| 17:38:31 | Neo|Work | actually, I don't think I have |
| 17:38:42 | warmi | near full screen is extremely fast . 6 ms I think |
| 17:38:54 | Neo|Work | it's pre-rotated |
| 17:38:58 | Neo|Work | I believe at least |
| 17:38:59 | warmi | it makes sense, I think they keep QPixmap aligned with the screen |
| 17:39:04 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:39:15 | Neo|Work | for opaque. probably memcpy |
| 17:39:23 | warmi | drawImage is abysmal .. 80 ms or so |
| 17:40:01 | warmi | they must be doing soemthing for ( for each pixel -> readPixel() .. storePixel() |
| 17:40:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:40:23 | BinaryApe | warmi: You should see how often I misspell it.. |
| 17:40:31 | warmi | BinaryApe: hehehe |
| 17:40:51 | Neo|Work | warmi: I can not understand how they make it so slow |
| 17:40:58 | warmi | I am telling you .. |
| 17:41:02 | Neo|Work | Because all it has to do is to rotate |
| 17:41:10 | Neo|Work | it's already 16 bpp (well, my tests were |
| 17:41:20 | warmi | they most likely do readPixel and writePixel separate calls |
| 17:41:27 | Neo|Work | well, one thing I can tell you is that they |
| 17:41:49 | Neo|Work | ok, how about this: 1) create a non-rotated QPixmap (one full copy), rotate it, blit ti |
| 17:42:02 | Neo|Work | and the copy == getPixel() type methods |
| 17:42:02 | Speedy2 | warmi: Why don't you go fix the code? It's GPLed, right? |
| 17:42:13 | warmi | hehe .. they said this is how QImage works on X11 and Windows .. |
| 17:42:20 | Neo|Work | so one copy probably takes 20ms |
| 17:42:21 | Neo|Work | or so |
| 17:42:29 | warmi | on qte , if depth=screen_depth they do direct blit |
| 17:42:30 | Neo|Work | 20 + 20 + 20.. |
| 17:42:32 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 17:42:37 | warmi | which is, as we can see, still slow like hell |
| 17:42:48 | Neo|Work | direct blit? no way in hell |
| 17:43:08 | Neo|Work | no matter what you do, a full screen copy (with QDirectPainter) is like 20 ms |
| 17:43:16 | Neo|Work | using dumb / simple rotating code |
| 17:43:44 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, I saw post from Trolls where of of their coders said that on X11 QPainter.drawQimage() first translates it to QPixmap and then blits |
| 17:43:58 | warmi | on qte when depths are the same it does blit without converting to QPixmap |
| 17:44:05 | warmi | but it is still slow like hell |
| 17:44:20 | Neo|Work | well then they lock the screen blit one pixel, unlock and repeat or something |
| 17:44:26 | warmi | Speedy2: yeah .. but they get paid for that and I don't :-) |
| 17:44:44 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well..."it's open source" |
| 17:44:57 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. in Puzz-le for a while I had QPainter,drawImage() but it was slow like hell .. I went back to QPixmap |
| 17:45:00 | Neo|Work | I looked at the blitting code once, and there's like 4-5 methods deep for a simple blit, at least |
| 17:45:24 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah ... but their code is extremely generic with branches for differetn depths etc .. |
| 17:45:35 | Neo|Work | Speedy2: fixing the open source version won't benefit the Zaurus ever, so why bother? |
| 17:45:45 | Neo|Work | right |
| 17:45:56 | Neo|Work | which means that no matter what, a specialized method will be faste |
| 17:45:58 | Neo|Work | are |
| 17:46:22 | Neo|Work | but considering that their color conversion method takes like a minute for what I can do in a few seconds says a lot |
| 17:47:59 | warmi | Neo|Work: well .. |
| 17:48:15 | warmi | you are doing aproximation while they might be using the correct way |
| 17:48:32 | warmi | I am guessing here |
| 17:48:33 | Neo|Work | perhaps so, but still |
| 17:48:50 | Neo|Work | I know Candy Cruncher uses a better conversion method and it's still not that slow |
| 17:49:17 | warmi | well, I know .. but overall I can say that Qt is well written |
| 17:49:26 | warmi | it is generally very fast for what it does |
| 17:49:39 | Neo|Work | inline ushort qt_convRgbTo16( const int r, const int g, const int b ) |
| 17:49:40 | Neo|Work | { |
| 17:49:40 | Neo|Work | const int tr = r << qt_red_shift; |
| 17:49:40 | Neo|Work | const int tg = g << qt_green_shift; |
| 17:49:40 | Neo|Work | const int tb = b >> qt_neg_blue_shift; |
| 17:49:41 | Neo|Work | |
| 17:49:43 | Neo|Work | return (tb & qt_blue_mask) | (tg & qt_green_mask) | (tr & qt_red_mask); |
| 17:49:45 | Neo|Work | } |
| 17:49:49 | Neo|Work | static bool convert_32_to_16( const QImage *src, QImage *dst ) |
| 17:49:49 | Neo|Work | { |
| 17:49:51 | Neo|Work | if ( !dst->create(src->width(), src->height(), 16) ) |
| 17:49:53 | Neo|Work | return FALSE; // create failed |
| 17:49:55 | Neo|Work | dst->setAlphaBuffer( src->hasAlphaBuffer() ); |
| 17:49:57 | Neo|Work | for ( int y=0; y<dst->height(); y++ ) { // for each scan line... |
| 17:50:00 | Neo|Work | register ushort *p = (ushort *)dst->scanLine(y); |
| 17:50:01 | Neo|Work | uint *s = (uint*)src->scanLine(y); |
| 17:50:04 | Neo|Work | ushort *end = p + dst->width(); |
| 17:50:05 | Neo|Work | while ( p < end ) |
| 17:50:08 | Neo|Work | *p++ = qt_convRgbTo16( *s++ ); |
| 17:50:12 | Neo|Work | } |
| 17:50:13 | Neo|Work | return TRUE; |
| 17:50:15 | Neo|Work | } |
| 17:50:17 | Nadav | bah |
| 17:50:17 | Neo|Work | it's nothing magic |
| 17:50:19 | Neo|Work | the qt_red_shift etc are static const variables |
| 17:50:20 | Nadav | #flood damnit |
| 17:50:22 | Nadav | :) |
| 17:50:25 | warmi | oh no shit then |
| 17:50:45 | warmi | who knows .. maybe their call never gets inlined |
| 17:50:56 | warmi | that would exaplain the difference |
| 17:51:07 | Neo|Work | actually.. |
| 17:51:09 | Neo|Work | static bool convert_32_to_16( const QImage *src, QImage *dst ) |
| 17:51:10 | Neo|Work | { |
| 17:51:10 | Neo|Work | if ( !dst->create(src->width(), src->height(), 16) ) |
| 17:51:10 | Neo|Work | return FALSE; // create failed |
| 17:51:10 | Neo|Work | dst->setAlphaBuffer( src->hasAlphaBuffer() ); |
| 17:51:11 | Neo|Work | for ( int y=0; y<dst->height(); y++ ) { // for each scan line... |
| 17:51:14 | Neo|Work | register ushort *p = (ushort *)dst->scanLine(y); |
| 17:51:15 | Neo|Work | uint *s = (uint*)src->scanLine(y); |
| 17:51:18 | Neo|Work | ushort *end = p + dst->width(); |
| 17:51:19 | Neo|Work | while ( p < end ) |
| 17:51:22 | Neo|Work | *p++ = qt_convRgbTo16( *s++ ); |
| 17:51:23 | Neo|Work | } |
| 17:51:25 | Neo|Work | return TRUE; |
| 17:51:26 | jmhodges | ok hotplugging installed |
| 17:51:27 | Neo|Work | } |
| 17:51:29 | Neo|Work | damn |
| 17:51:30 | jmhodges | whoopos |
| 17:51:31 | Neo|Work | how did that happen? |
| 17:51:33 | Neo|Work | inline ushort qt_convRgbTo16( QRgb c ) |
| 17:51:35 | Neo|Work | { |
| 17:51:37 | Neo|Work | const int tr = qRed(c) << qt_red_shift; |
| 17:51:42 | Neo|Work | const int tg = qGreen(c) << qt_green_shift; |
| 17:51:43 | Neo|Work | const int tb = qBlue(c) >> qt_neg_blue_shift; |
| 17:51:46 | Neo|Work | |
| 17:51:48 | Neo|Work | return (tb & qt_blue_mask) | (tg & qt_green_mask) | (tr & qt_red_mask); |
| 17:51:50 | Neo|Work | } |
| 17:51:51 | Neo|Work | it uses that one |
| 17:51:53 | Neo|Work | which calls qRed etc |
| 17:51:55 | Neo|Work | Q_EXPORT inline int qRed( QRgb rgb ) // get red part of RGB |
| 17:51:57 | Neo|Work | { return (int)((rgb >> 16) & 0xff); } |
| 17:51:59 | Neo|Work | |
| 17:52:01 | Neo|Work | but still, if it was inlined it shouldn't matter |
| 17:52:10 | warmi | yeah, it all depends if this gets inlined .. |
| 17:52:15 | warmi | nah it would . |
| 17:52:31 | warmi | it would result in image width*image height calls |
| 17:53:14 | warmi | and that would result in width*height stack frame creations .. etc |
| 17:53:16 | Neo|Work | for(y=0; y< img.height(); y++) { |
| 17:53:16 | Neo|Work | for(x=0; x<img.width(); x++) { |
| 17:53:16 | Neo|Work | QRgb pixel = *b32; |
| 17:53:16 | Neo|Work | putSurface(x,y, img.height(), img.width(), |
| 17:53:17 | Neo|Work | makeRGBgamma(qRed(pixel)>>3, |
| 17:53:17 | Neo|Work | qGreen(pixel)>>3, |
| 17:53:19 | Neo|Work | qBlue(pixel)>>3), dest); |
| 17:53:21 | Neo|Work | b32++; |
| 17:53:23 | Neo|Work | } |
| 17:53:25 | Neo|Work | that is what I use |
| 17:53:30 | Neo|Work | so to me, that is very similar, except more complex |
| 17:53:36 | Neo|Work | putSurface rotates the image as well |
| 17:53:49 | whardier | CODE! |
| 17:53:54 | whardier | gobbles it up |
| 17:53:58 | jmhodges | lol |
| 17:53:58 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 17:54:07 | warmi | I don't see much difference beyond that fact that your stuff is explicitly inlined |
| 17:54:15 | Neo|Work | I honestly can't see how my code would be faster |
| 17:54:25 | JasonNJ | NeoTron: this that space game you working on? |
| 17:54:44 | Neo|Work | I have makeRGB[gamma] and putSurface which by itself adds some added complexity |
| 17:55:01 | warmi | I am telling Neo: compiler must have refused to inline qt_convRgbTo16( QRgb c ) |
| 17:55:04 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: That's where I noticed the issue the first time and that code above is from that yes. :P |
| 17:55:05 | warmi | for whatever reason |
| 17:55:10 | warmi | there is not other explanation |
| 17:55:20 | Neo|Work | warmi: still, I call putSurface.. |
| 17:55:36 | warmi | well, you just showed us the code .. |
| 17:55:52 | warmi | there is nothing there that would case convertDepth to take like 10 minutes :-) |
| 17:56:13 | warmi | and you said it was so slow as to actually slow down your game startup |
| 17:56:23 | warmi | which means we are talking here seconds not miliseconds |
| 17:56:46 | angry | elloh |
| 17:57:11 | warmi | Neo|Work: putSurface .. |
| 17:57:13 | Neo|Work | putSurface is |
| 17:57:17 | Neo|Work | void putSurface(int x,int y,int height,int width,int pix, unsigned short *surface) |
| 17:57:17 | Neo|Work | { |
| 17:57:17 | Neo|Work | unsigned short *b=surface; |
| 17:57:17 | Neo|Work | b+=(height-1-y)+height*x; |
| 17:57:17 | Neo|Work | *b=pix; |
| 17:57:18 | Neo|Work | } |
| 17:57:20 | Speedy2 | warmi: If it's in a seperate file, it won't inline it, you have to put that function into a header and include it |
| 17:57:20 | warmi | hmm .. with this new game you are prerotating images right ? |
| 17:57:29 | Neo|Work | plus some added ifs to handle other rotation or so |
| 17:57:45 | warmi | Speedy2: not really .. it can be inside your cpp file as long as h defines "inline" |
| 17:57:57 | Speedy2 | warmi: No, I ran into this issue. Must be *in* header file |
| 17:58:00 | warmi | anyway .. this is only advisory and compiler is not required to follow it |
| 17:58:02 | Neo|Work | and we're not talking seconds, we're talking like a minute loading a bunch of pictures |
| 17:58:12 | Neo|Work | like two 750x750 images and some smaller ones |
| 17:58:12 | Speedy2 | Go disassemble your code, you'll see it's still making a function call |
| 17:58:19 | Neo|Work | and yes, with my code it takes a few seconds, literarily |
| 17:58:27 | warmi | no, it does not .. at least VC++ does not |
| 17:58:32 | Speedy2 | ?? |
| 17:58:37 | warmi | I haven't looked at how gcc handles that |
| 17:58:37 | Neo|Work | and yes, it's rotated - the above putSurface does rotation |
| 17:58:39 | Speedy2 | I'm talkin GCC here |
| 17:58:46 | warmi | then it is broken |
| 17:58:52 | warmi | C++ standard allows for two |
| 17:59:05 | angry | does anyone from the company "B&TG" ever come on here? |
| 17:59:11 | warmi | or maybe not .. |
| 17:59:21 | warmi | maybe it is VC++ that is being "extra friendly " |
| 17:59:23 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:59:29 | warmi | I will have to doublecheck that |
| 18:00:13 | warmi | Neo|Work: so with your new game .. you are going to be using just memcpy for the final blit |
| 18:00:22 | warmi | that should speed things up |
| 18:01:35 | warmi | Speedy2: so are you saying that this is how gcc operates ? no inlining unless the code itself resides in .h file ? |
| 18:01:38 | warmi | interesting |
| 18:01:45 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well, I was trying to inline a bunch of things and basically gcc won't do it since it can't inline the code if it doesn't know what the code is |
| 18:01:50 | Speedy2 | It's not multi-pass |
| 18:02:01 | warmi | well, then why bother with inline directive |
| 18:02:03 | Speedy2 | So if the inline code isn't in the C file or a header file, when you compile that C file, you're done |
| 18:02:10 | warmi | if you put it in .h it is inline by definition |
| 18:02:12 | Speedy2 | warmi: Don't ask me, I think GCC is f'ing retarded |
| 18:02:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:02:23 | Speedy2 | warmi: No, you can put a function in an header and not have it inline |
| 18:02:33 | warmi | true .. but well |
| 18:02:43 | Speedy2 | warmi: But if you want your functions TO be inlined, put them in a header and include the header |
| 18:02:51 | Speedy2 | The compiler will see the header and the code and it will inline |
| 18:03:03 | Speedy2 | Otherwise it would require multiple passes over the files and apparently that's too much trouble for GCC |
| 18:03:07 | warmi | acording to the standard inline means this function should be inlined ... it doesn't say anything about .h or .cpp |
| 18:03:08 | Speedy2 | BTW, this applies to ARM version as well |
| 18:03:22 | warmi | Speedy2: ok .. good to know |
| 18:03:23 | Speedy2 | warmi: I know, I know, but then you have this whole requires multi-pass business |
| 18:03:28 | warmi | I will have to check for myself |
| 18:03:31 | Speedy2 | Do so. |
| 18:03:35 | Speedy2 | Then give me a $1 |
| 18:03:42 | warmi | do some little accesor like return x; |
| 18:03:49 | warmi | and see if it gets inlined |
| 18:04:02 | Speedy2 | warmi: I ran into this exact issue because I was dealing with code for a uC and GCC was bloating the shit out of it |
| 18:04:20 | Speedy2 | warmi: Create two c files, silly.c and evencrazy.c and have one use an inline function in the other. |
| 18:04:27 | Speedy2 | (something along those lines mind you) |
| 18:04:28 | warmi | I mean, any compiler worth anything would inline that one,eeven without "inline" directive |
| 18:04:52 | warmi | as long as no other piece of code was using pointer to this function , that is |
| 18:04:59 | Speedy2 | Well...it may inline code IN the C module you're compiling, but if you have code else where (in another C file) that you've given inline directive to, it will ignore |
| 18:05:01 | Speedy2 | (for the caller) |
| 18:05:18 | warmi | strange |
| 18:05:26 | warmi | I will have to check that one |
| 18:05:29 | Speedy2 | File 1 -----(ACCESSES FUNCTION ) -----> File 2 (contains inline function) |
| 18:05:37 | Speedy2 | That will not cause the call in File 1 to be inlines. |
| 18:05:41 | Speedy2 | inlined even. |
| 18:05:49 | ljp- | should change the name of zaurus-general to zaurus-complaints |
| 18:05:52 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 18:06:00 | warmi | Speedy2: still .. compiler knows the body of this function is defined in File cpp file |
| 18:06:05 | kergoth_ | ljp-: i'm glad i switched it to digest mode |
| 18:06:10 | ljp- | me too |
| 18:06:12 | warmi | so it can pull it out from there .. even if it is not in .h file |
| 18:06:18 | Speedy2 | warmi: Just try it, and see my friend |
| 18:06:26 | Speedy2 | BUT YOU MUST ACT NOW! |
| 18:06:30 | Speedy2 | SUPPLIES ARE LIMITED |
| 18:06:31 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:06:36 | warmi | Speedy2: well .... you might be right .. |
| 18:06:44 | warmi | but it seems retarded to do it that way |
| 18:06:58 | Speedy2 | warmi: And you're telling me this is the first retarded thing you've heard about gcc? |
| 18:07:05 | Speedy2 | (possible retarded) |
| 18:07:10 | angry | is anyone here familiar with the program "ClassMate"? |
| 18:07:17 | warmi | well, no but still .. that would impact people's code a lot |
| 18:07:55 | warmi | other compiler will do it on their own .. say if this accesor function will not code to bloat a lot .. they will inline it anyway, even without "inline" being present |
| 18:08:07 | Speedy2 | warmi: Just try it already before I shoot you! |
| 18:08:08 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 18:08:13 | Neo|Work | warmi: that is correct. OR to be exact, for the 38xx ipaqs it's not pre-rotated so it needs a 180 degree flip |
| 18:08:37 | warmi | Speedy2: ok .. don't shoot |
| 18:08:40 | warmi | I will try it |
| 18:08:54 | Neo|Work | Speedy2: and btw, the code that is slow == Qte and that I don't plan to recompile. :P |
| 18:08:57 | Neo|Work | and my code works not |
| 18:09:26 | ljp- | code is for geeks |
| 18:09:43 | warmi | Neo|Work: can't you just detect if it is ipaq or not and don't bother with prerotating |
| 18:09:52 | warmi | if I understand you correctly, that is |
| 18:10:17 | Speedy2 | warmi: Only a wimp would backdown from compiling Qt/E |
| 18:10:46 | Neo|Work | warmi: you don't. :) The code does rotation for the 270 degree case or no rotation but doesn't handle 90 degree |
| 18:10:52 | warmi | Speedy2: I did compile my own qte . only because precompiled binary on x86 was giving me various strange problems |
| 18:11:06 | Neo|Work | RocketElite was pre-2Dream (the engine used in Bust'em) |
| 18:11:07 | warmi | Neo|Work: ah ok |
| 18:11:10 | Neo|Work | 2Dream handles any rotation |
| 18:11:17 | Neo|Work | RocketElite does not. |
| 18:11:32 | warmi | Neo|Work: you mean handles any rotation ( by prerotating) right ? |
| 18:11:44 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 18:11:58 | Neo|Work | 2Dream always uses memcpy for the final screen update |
| 18:12:19 | warmi | the only problem with prerotating is when you are doing drawing yourself ( like say drawing polygons) |
| 18:12:36 | warmi | you have to have code that works with prerotated image bufffers |
| 18:12:41 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 18:13:10 | warmi | so for 3d games , it might make more sense to just draw in single layout buffer and do rotating blit |
| 18:13:11 | Neo|Work | of course, these games do more or less only blitting of bitmaps or putting pixels |
| 18:13:20 | Neo|Work | maybe, some lines or what not |
| 18:13:32 | warmi | it might be easier that way then trying to write rotating polygoing drawing code |
| 18:13:37 | Neo|Work | Interstellar Flames can draw in any rotation since it's 3D |
| 18:13:52 | warmi | yeah, that's true |
| 18:13:53 | Neo|Work | I mean, you have to, per definition, rotate things anyway |
| 18:14:00 | Neo|Work | for 3D that is |
| 18:14:08 | warmi | you can prerotate at the vertext level |
| 18:14:24 | warmi | true that |
| 18:14:36 | Speedy2 | I used pixel shaders to accomplish that |
| 18:14:48 | warmi | Neo|Work: interstellar does texture mapping in code right ? |
| 18:15:03 | warmi | just like Quake did or is it fake thingy like Doom ? |
| 18:15:36 | warmi | looks like it has full 3d .. |
| 18:17:23 | Neo|Work | I don't know heck of a lot of details but it should be real 3D |
| 18:17:53 | kergoth_ | is going through a assembler refresher course |
| 18:18:13 | kergoth_ | fun stuff |
| 18:18:23 | kergoth_ | I like the arm multiple register store and load instructions |
| 18:19:34 | ljp- | nop |
| 18:20:01 | kergoth_ | heheh |
| 18:20:44 | warmi | kergoth_: yeah ... this is how memcpy is generally done |
| 18:20:55 | warmi | of, course, you have to take care of alignment issues |
| 18:21:09 | kergoth_ | warmi: not surprising. itd be pretty fucking stupid if they didnt use them.. heh |
| 18:21:12 | warmi | but, acording to ARM, this is the fastest way to do block transfers |
| 18:21:16 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 18:22:01 | warmi | I am pretty sure they used that because when I did my own blit with them I cloced it at 6 ms ... same as memcpy |
| 18:22:15 | warmi | but I was unable to find the code in glibc |
| 18:22:24 | kergoth_ | ah |
| 18:22:41 | warmi | I only saw ARM asm version of memset , I think |
| 18:22:48 | Speedy2 | My eyes are starting to hurt |
| 18:22:51 | Speedy2 | Damned threads |
| 18:22:52 | Speedy2 | ugh |
| 18:22:58 | ljp- | nop |
| 18:23:08 | Speedy2 | mov r0,r0 |
| 18:23:10 | Speedy2 | That's nop |
| 18:23:18 | | Speedy2: sorry... |
| 18:23:18 | Speedy2 | ibot: nop in ARM in mov r0,r0 |
| 18:23:19 | ljp- | ahhh my bad |
| 18:23:30 | warmi | or for that matter ... mov r1,r1 |
| 18:23:33 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 18:23:33 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:23:37 | | OK, Speedy2. |
| 18:23:37 | Speedy2 | ibot: nop is mov r0,r0 for ARM |
| 18:23:40 | | i think nop is mov r0,r0 for ARM |
| 18:23:40 | Speedy2 | ibot: nop? |
| 18:23:42 | prpplague | kergoth_: hmm, from what i'm seeing, it looks like the ipaq uses the same(with only minor diffs) sa1100_frontlight.c as the ipaq |
| 18:23:55 | ljp- | hmmm |
| 18:24:02 | kergoth_ | prpplague: ipaq uses the same as the ipaq? that makes sense. :-P |
| 18:24:18 | prpplague | kergoth_: we probably can use the bl command from the bl command from the ipaq |
| 18:24:28 | Speedy2 | Only if it accepts 0 to 255 |
| 18:24:30 | Speedy2 | otherwise it sux |
| 18:24:31 | warmi | weird thing about ARM is that it doesn't have general mov RG, imediate value |
| 18:24:37 | Speedy2 | warmi: YES! |
| 18:24:43 | warmi | it uses this weird mov reg,=x |
| 18:24:44 | prpplague | Speedy2: yes the bl command does |
| 18:24:46 | Speedy2 | warmi: you should use the synthetic "ldr" op!!!!! |
| 18:25:02 | warmi | yeah .. I use ldr, #x |
| 18:25:07 | Speedy2 | ldr r0, =0x80020060 |
| 18:25:08 | warmi | ldr r0, #x |
| 18:25:20 | warmi | yeah .. I mean =x version |
| 18:25:25 | warmi | but it is not a single instructionm |
| 18:25:30 | Speedy2 | warmi: It doesn't have it because it's a 32-bit machine |
| 18:25:35 | warmi | asm will change that to do all kinds of wierd shit |
| 18:25:35 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 18:25:36 | Speedy2 | W/o variable length instructions |
| 18:25:45 | Speedy2 | warmi: Yeah, it stuffs the data at the end of the file |
| 18:25:47 | prpplague | kergoth_: i'll need to do a more detailed comparison this evening, but i think this would be an easy solution and keeping alot of compatibility |
| 18:25:53 | jmhodges | kergoth_: still no usb- |
| 18:25:53 | kergoth_ | prpplague: great |
| 18:25:58 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: that sucks |
| 18:26:01 | Speedy2 | So 32-bits, with a fixed number of op-codes, leaves limited space for the imediate info |
| 18:26:07 | warmi | yeah, I know .. it makes the code faster cause all instr are 32 bit |
| 18:26:18 | prpplague | kergoth_: if you can't tell the fl issue is eating on me |
| 18:26:18 | jmhodges | kergoth_: ya i know.. :( i have no idea |
| 18:26:23 | JasonNJ | join #opie |
| 18:26:26 | kergoth_ | prpplague: yeah i noticed |
| 18:26:32 | warmi | but it is weird for someone coming from x86 world |
| 18:26:37 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 18:26:38 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 18:26:45 | warmi | in fact, Motorola was more like intel |
| 18:26:46 | JasonNJ | yo Tim. |
| 18:26:52 | warmi | with variable length instr |
| 18:27:06 | warmi | and I know only Motorola, Interl, old Zilog asm |
| 18:27:13 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 18:27:16 | warmi | I never seen Sparc, not Alhpa asm code |
| 18:27:17 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 18:27:30 | Speedy2 | wami: Alpha is no shiester architecture like x86 |
| 18:27:31 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 18:27:38 | Speedy2 | Fixed length instructions...but 64-bit |
| 18:27:59 | JasonNJ | I just got an Itanium 2 workstation, fun toy |
| 18:28:08 | Speedy2 | You mean the Itanic 2 ? :) |
| 18:28:19 | Speedy2 | How'd you manage to get one of those? |
| 18:28:24 | warmi | hehe . I see ljp is now writing ... and I am not talkign about code |
| 18:28:25 | warmi | heeh |
| 18:28:39 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: noisy buggers. sounds like a jet engine. I used to have one on my desk. |
| 18:28:56 | JasonNJ | Speedy2: HP sent me one to write up for Linux Magazine |
| 18:29:07 | Speedy2 | I see. |
| 18:29:10 | JasonNJ | BZFlag: I think the sucker is gonna fly off my desk |
| 18:29:19 | Speedy2 | Itanic 2...it's going to sink twice as fast |
| 18:29:54 | Speedy2 | Itanic 2 == void Intel(void) { Steal_HP_PARISC() } |
| 18:29:56 | warmi | Speedy2: is there any possible of Intel producing somethign that you will actually like ? |
| 18:29:57 | warmi | heeh |
| 18:30:01 | Neo|Work | Itanium 2? Is that like an Itanium that doesn't suck or something? |
| 18:30:02 | JasonNJ | I am having trouble finding apps that will take advantage of it |
| 18:30:03 | Speedy2 | warmi: Noooope |
| 18:30:21 | JasonNJ | Redhat for Itanium doesnt have an EPIC optimized compiler I dont thinl |
| 18:30:24 | JasonNJ | think |
| 18:30:26 | Speedy2 | GCC as it is doesn't do well for most RISC architectures...like it'll do good for Itanic 2... |
| 18:30:33 | jmhodges | ok kergoth_ wtf have i done wrong? |
| 18:31:54 | Speedy2 | warmi: The Itanic2 is basically a bastardized PA RISC design...again, did Intel actually do anything on their own? Nope. |
| 18:32:42 | warmi | Speedy2: yeah .... x86 is very much theirs :-) |
| 18:32:46 | BigBoss | HP did such a nice job with the original PA RISC, it's a shame that Intel took it over |
| 18:33:10 | BZFlag | Speedy2: well it does run x86 apps as well. I thought it was pretty cool, just noisy. |
| 18:33:13 | Speedy2 | warmi: I meant, did Intel do anything WELL |
| 18:33:40 | warmi | Speedy2: latest x86 stuff is basically RISC |
| 18:33:48 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Agreed...HP "Convex" |
| 18:33:49 | warmi | short, single or half clock instructions etc |
| 18:33:56 | warmi | gone are days of microcode |
| 18:34:35 | ljp- | microcode would be a good name of an embedded software business |
| 18:34:54 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 18:35:19 | Speedy2 | warmi: Latest x86 MAYBE RISC at core, but it's ugly x86 all around. |
| 18:35:20 | JasonNJ | what about Micro Soft? |
| 18:35:31 | JasonNJ | oh wait, that one is taken |
| 18:35:32 | Speedy2 | Thing of the speed w/o that x86 fluff?! We'd be ripping |
| 18:37:33 | prpplague | Sugar: howdy |
| 18:38:28 | ljp- | Sugar: make me a rum and coke |
| 18:38:29 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of rum coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands ljp-. |
| 18:38:37 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 18:38:43 | Neo|Work | that was interesting |
| 18:38:52 | Speedy2 | sugar: make me The Great Wok of China |
| 18:38:53 | warmi | so Sugar is she ?? |
| 18:38:53 | Neo|Work | maybe a business idea for the CCC? |
| 18:38:56 | warmi | hmm .. good to know |
| 18:39:11 | Neo|Work | sugar kiss warmi |
| 18:39:22 | prpplague | Sugar: pour me a beer |
| 18:39:23 | Neo|Work | sugar spank warmi |
| 18:39:23 | Sugar | gives warmi a good spanking. |
| 18:39:32 | warmi | what a bitch |
| 18:39:35 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 18:39:36 | Nadav | hehe |
| 18:39:37 | warmi | no kissing but spanking |
| 18:39:38 | Speedy2 | sugar-- |
| 18:39:38 | prpplague | lol |
| 18:39:43 | BZFlag | notes that there is a http://www.microcode.com/ right near him in orem utah. |
| 18:39:53 | ljp- | ohh.. dang it |
| 18:39:55 | Neo|Work | sugar give warmi sex |
| 18:39:57 | Sugar | Yeah right, luser! |
| 18:40:00 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 18:40:07 | Nadav | lol |
| 18:40:07 | warmi | sugar : if you do .. then without slapping please |
| 18:40:08 | Speedy2 | sugar-- |
| 18:40:27 | Neo|Work | sugar is decent and proper |
| 18:40:28 | Nadav | sugar give me a z |
| 18:40:28 | Sugar | shakes lemon juice, triple sec, light rum and ice then strains it into a cocktail glass and serves it to Nadav. |
| 18:40:31 | Neo|Work | sugar make be a gargle |
| 18:40:31 | Sugar | pours "the juice" from one bottle of janx spirit in a towel, pours in santraginus v seawater, melts in arcturan mega-gin, bubbles fallian marsh gas through it, floats qualactin hypermint extract off the back of a silver spoon, drops in the tooth of an algolian suntiger, sprinkles zamphuor, pours it into a folded leaf then garnishes with an olive and serves it to Dilbert-. |
| 18:40:32 | warmi | Neo|Work: that "luser" was directer at you .. not me |
| 18:40:33 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:40:43 | Neo|Work | and with that I go to lunch |
| 18:40:47 | Neo|Work | is away: lunch |
| 18:47:04 | Speedy2 | bbl, sleep |
| 18:47:17 | George- | ok |
| 18:47:20 | George- | hi |
| 18:47:38 | warmi | I wonder who Curt Crandall is |
| 18:47:50 | BigBoss | that's me |
| 18:47:52 | BigBoss | jk |
| 18:48:03 | warmi | his zaurus-general posts are very reasonable |
| 18:48:34 | warmi | see BB .. |
| 18:48:45 | warmi | this morning flame fight on z-general |
| 18:48:53 | warmi | was cause indirectly by you |
| 18:48:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:48:57 | warmi | caused |
| 18:49:29 | warmi | casue the guy who flamed the list just spent $25 or so on your software which he then was unable to use on his zaurus |
| 18:49:32 | warmi | hheh |
| 18:49:40 | ljp- | hahaha |
| 18:50:03 | warmi | not like there is anything wrong with your code but .. one could draw some sort of cause-effect relationship here |
| 18:51:36 | kergoth_ | warmi: you could theorectically draw some sort of cause-effect relationship between just about any two events that occur. :-P |
| 18:52:05 | warmi | kergoth_: heheh .. yeah I know |
| 18:52:17 | warmi | but this channel was awfully quiet so I had to come up with something |
| 18:52:24 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:54:01 | angry | warmi: why couldnt he use the soft. on his Z? |
| 18:54:07 | BigBoss | is this the guy that was talking about mp3 files? |
| 18:55:30 | BigBoss | his #1 problem is that he was generating mp2.5 files using Real JukeBox or VBR files and they weren't playing right |
| 18:55:46 | BigBoss | I only got a sample file from him this morning to verify |
| 18:55:53 | BigBoss | but we don't support mp2.5 |
| 18:56:12 | warmi | BigBoss: no |
| 18:56:22 | warmi | I am talking about pissed FreeBSD user |
| 18:56:23 | ljp- | mp2.5? |
| 18:56:28 | warmi | and I was kidding anyway |
| 18:56:36 | warmi | angry: his Z wouldn't work physically |
| 18:56:45 | angry | hah |
| 18:56:49 | tgall_foo | ifneq ($(CONFIG),) I assume tests for existance |
| 18:56:57 | tgall_foo | but how about if I want to test against a specific value? |
| 18:56:57 | warmi | he had it sitting in the drawer for like couple of months or something like that |
| 18:57:12 | tgall_foo | ifneq ($(CONFIG),"value") ? |
| 18:57:14 | kergoth_ | tgall_foo: ifneq ($(CONFIG),blah) |
| 18:57:16 | kergoth_ | yeah |
| 18:57:17 | kergoth_ | that |
| 18:57:18 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:57:20 | tgall_foo | danke! |
| 18:57:23 | kergoth_ | np |
| 18:57:24 | angry | bigboss: how much does TK make when a $10 product is sold from one of those other sites? |
| 18:57:25 | ljp- | my Z would kill me if Ileft it in a drawer for 4 months |
| 18:57:57 | BigBoss | angry: there is only 1 other site |
| 18:58:15 | BigBoss | they take 30% to 50% depending on your sales volume (higher percent for more sales) |
| 18:58:34 | angry | oh |
| 18:58:44 | ljp- | I wouldnt doubt if tkc drops handango at some point |
| 18:59:16 | angry | is it possible to buy it directly from TK? |
| 18:59:27 | ljp- | yes |
| 18:59:35 | kergoth_ | angry: http://www.thekompany.com/ |
| 18:59:36 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 19:00:00 | BigBoss | we prefer it that way |
| 19:00:11 | BigBoss | actually you get discounts from us the more you buy |
| 19:00:30 | BigBoss | there are other reasons to work with handango, but I'm not happy about the situation |
| 19:01:22 | angry | what about tkcBundle? why is that not on your site |
| 19:01:34 | BigBoss | because we came up with the generic discounting |
| 19:01:41 | angry | ahh |
| 19:01:44 | BigBoss | everyone kept wanting different bundles, so we did that |
| 19:01:53 | angry | so people didnt have to buy stuff they didnt want |
| 19:01:56 | BigBoss | we can't do that on myzaurus, so we just left the bundle there |
| 19:02:35 | BigBoss | if you don't buy our software then we both loose money :) |
| 19:02:38 | BigBoss | I love that slogan |
| 19:02:48 | angry | lol |
| 19:03:32 | Hellaenergy | Howdy Zeople! |
| 19:03:38 | kergoth_ | hey Hellaenergy |
| 19:03:42 | angry | has anyone tried out that app "SchoolMate"? |
| 19:03:53 | angry | err sorry |
| 19:03:55 | angry | "ClassMate" |
| 19:04:01 | Hellaenergy | nope |
| 19:04:04 | Hellaenergy | what is it |
| 19:04:18 | angry | class/assignment manager |
| 19:04:22 | angry | costs $20 though |
| 19:04:29 | angry | and i dont get what the deal with their trial version is |
| 19:04:33 | angry | they dont say when or if it expires |
| 19:05:08 | erikd | it doesn't expire, it just deletes one important system file every day you use it unregistered |
| 19:05:15 | erikd | hmm |
| 19:05:20 | angry | lol |
| 19:05:22 | erikd | that's a good way to get people to pay |
| 19:05:31 | erikd | "if you don't register i'll delete your kernel!" |
| 19:05:34 | angry | im afraid this one will make you set up all your classes and stuff |
| 19:05:44 | warmi | erikd: that's not bad at all .. I don't have any system files that I consider importand |
| 19:05:52 | angry | and be like "wow, you spent 5 hours setting up classes. if you would like to retain this information, buy the full version you cheap bastard" |
| 19:06:01 | George- | is bestbuy a cheap store? |
| 19:06:14 | BigBoss | ftp://213.247.143.105/snapshot.png |
| 19:06:18 | angry | http://bensbargains.net has the REAL deals |
| 19:06:21 | BigBoss | it's a screenshot of our video player |
| 19:06:32 | Hellaenergy | George-: it can be |
| 19:06:33 | angry | LOL |
| 19:06:33 | George- | BigBoss: what's that? |
| 19:06:41 | angry | nice choice of video BigBoss |
| 19:06:41 | erikd | warmi: you don't like your kernel? :) |
| 19:06:48 | erikd | of course that's in rom... |
| 19:06:55 | George- | angry: I noticed :) |
| 19:07:02 | angry | BigBoss: does it come with that video? ;) |
| 19:07:25 | BigBoss | well if it was mine to give away, I would |
| 19:07:26 | warmi | erikd: heh .. I don't care for it one way or another :-) I never managed to develop any special relationship with my kernel ( unlike kergoth for example) |
| 19:07:33 | BigBoss | so it's obvoius it is from a porno then? |
| 19:07:36 | erikd | hehe |
| 19:07:44 | Hellaenergy | is that icq in that shot? |
| 19:08:07 | warmi | this ftp screenshot doesn' load for me |
| 19:08:17 | angry | BigBoss: i think it will make people realize the obvious possibilities, though :-P |
| 19:08:21 | erikd | bigboss: well, if it wasn't for the filename and seductive look i wouldn't be able to tell :) |
| 19:08:25 | warmi | must be firewall |
| 19:08:36 | ChipX86 | are there plans to add demos or trials of tkcCalendar or tkcAddressBook? I've considered buying them, but would rather see what they're like first |
| 19:08:40 | angry | BigBoss: are you hosting that file from your zaurus? |
| 19:08:49 | BigBoss | angry: no, it's in moscow |
| 19:08:57 | BigBoss | ChipX86: plans, but not any time soon |
| 19:09:01 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 19:09:03 | BigBoss | we've got some higher priority items |
| 19:09:27 | angry | tkcRacer = free? |
| 19:09:36 | angry | is that for the challenge or something |
| 19:09:40 | warmi | no shit then .. no wonder I can't load it |
| 19:10:17 | angry | LOL!!!! |
| 19:10:30 | angry | BigBoss - thanks for hosting the latina vid on the FTP :-P |
| 19:10:47 | George- | angry: it's free?!! |
| 19:10:57 | BigBoss | not it's not |
| 19:11:01 | George- | damn |
| 19:11:04 | George- | Got my hopes up there |
| 19:11:07 | BigBoss | and it isn't released yet |
| 19:11:08 | George- | ;) |
| 19:11:10 | George- | lol |
| 19:11:12 | BigBoss | another day or 2 |
| 19:11:15 | George- | BigBoss: Got any screenies? |
| 19:11:21 | BigBoss | not yet |
| 19:11:26 | George- | damn |
| 19:11:27 | BigBoss | it's a lot of fun though |
| 19:11:33 | George- | yeh, I bet |
| 19:11:33 | BigBoss | wait, maybe I do |
| 19:11:43 | George- | coooool |
| 19:11:51 | George- | awaits eagerly |
| 19:12:38 | BigBoss | naw, they are all old |
| 19:12:55 | George- | hey, c'mon |
| 19:12:57 | angry | lol BigBoss you and your latina pr0n :-P |
| 19:12:57 | BigBoss | tkcVideo will have an introductory price of $14.95 and should be out tomorrow |
| 19:12:57 | George- | show 'em! :) |
| 19:13:18 | BigBoss | tkcRace should be out by wednesday and be $9.95 |
| 19:13:21 | angry | BigBoss: are you totally done with tkcVideo? |
| 19:14:07 | George- | BigBoss: uhm, in that screenie of tkcVideo, what's it showing? =P |
| 19:14:15 | angry | george: want the video? |
| 19:14:22 | angry | he has it on his ftp |
| 19:14:23 | angry | lol |
| 19:14:25 | George- | lol |
| 19:14:30 | George- | uhm |
| 19:14:36 | George- | Does tkcVideo play DivX? |
| 19:14:52 | George- | likes the idea of getting a 1.6GB Microdrive, and shoving some movies on it |
| 19:15:22 | erikd | someone should make a CF cdrom drive |
| 19:15:25 | erikd | :) |
| 19:15:37 | George- | lol |
| 19:15:50 | George- | better, CF DVD+RW/CD-RW |
| 19:15:52 | erikd | then i could get rid of my rio volt and play all my mp3's on the Z |
| 19:15:55 | George- | :))))) |
| 19:15:58 | erikd | ehhh |
| 19:15:59 | hunger | wants a SD-card DVD player:-) |
| 19:16:03 | George- | lol, the battery would be dead before the disk had been burnt =P |
| 19:16:13 | George- | hunger: ARe there such things/ |
| 19:16:14 | George- | ? |
| 19:16:14 | BigBoss | yes tkcVideo plays divx |
| 19:16:18 | BigBoss | it is all done and ready to go |
| 19:16:24 | BigBoss | erikd: get tkcPlayer then |
| 19:16:28 | hunger | I wouldn't mind it sticking out a bit (like that SD wireless card) |
| 19:16:29 | George- | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19971121&mode=classic |
| 19:16:30 | BigBoss | just getting the packaging done now |
| 19:16:31 | George- | lol |
| 19:16:40 | erikd | bigboss: does it play ogg? |
| 19:16:43 | George- | hunger: lol, a *bit*? |
| 19:16:44 | hunger | George-: Not that I know of. |
| 19:16:45 | kergoth_ | ahhhhhh12%!%!@^%!#@^!@ |
| 19:16:46 | George- | erikd: yes |
| 19:16:50 | erikd | ooh |
| 19:16:52 | kergoth_ | stupid stupid stupid motherfuckers. |
| 19:16:56 | BigBoss | erikd: yes it does |
| 19:16:56 | George- | what? |
| 19:16:57 | erikd | now all i need is a Z ;) |
| 19:16:59 | warmi | George-: hehehe |
| 19:17:02 | kergoth_ | jesus |
| 19:17:03 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcplayer |
| 19:17:05 | George- | kergoth_: Did the LEDs blink? |
| 19:17:05 | | kergoth_: sorry... |
| 19:17:05 | kergoth_ | ibot: shoot me |
| 19:17:09 | George- | kergoth_: *g* |
| 19:17:13 | George- | warmi: like it? |
| 19:17:30 | warmi | George-: heh .. yeah, UF is usually lame but that one was pretty good |
| 19:17:34 | kergoth_ | "sir, this product that you purchased is designed to plug into a network." |
| 19:17:38 | hunger | Isen't it amazing what little things makes a geek flip out? ;-) |
| 19:17:39 | George- | warmi: lol |
| 19:17:42 | kergoth_ | "Network..? i'm sorry.. i'm not very good with computers.." |
| 19:17:45 | George- | warmi: I love UF =P |
| 19:17:46 | kergoth_ | arehdslakhdkga!^#@$@!@#%%@!#@%#!@!#^#%& |
| 19:18:17 | George- | kergoth_: what? |
| 19:18:33 | kergoth_ | George-: uh, read what i just said. excerpt of a conversation. |
| 19:18:33 | angry | good lord BigBoss where did u get this video |
| 19:18:57 | warmi | man .. I think I need to see that video |
| 19:19:13 | warmi | it is not for viewing at work , is it ? |
| 19:19:18 | BigBoss | no it is not :) |
| 19:19:20 | George- | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19971124&mode=classic <-- LOL :) |
| 19:19:21 | Oriumpor | kergoth_: you ever half have a heart attack when you think you fried your flash? :P |
| 19:19:24 | warmi | ok then |
| 19:19:25 | kergoth_ | STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS |
| 19:19:30 | kergoth_ | Oriumpor: nope |
| 19:19:32 | BigBoss | guys, that's a private machine, not mine, just leave it alone now :) |
| 19:19:37 | BigBoss | I was just showing you the screenshot |
| 19:19:48 | Oriumpor | kergoth_: you're just resigned to the fact that you will eventually? : P |
| 19:19:51 | BigBoss | kergoth: what are you upset about? |
| 19:20:00 | warmi | alt.sex.chubby.shep |
| 19:20:02 | warmi | hehehe |
| 19:20:17 | kergoth_ | BigBoss: I work in tech support. |
| 19:20:18 | warmi | sheep even |
| 19:20:19 | George- | warmi: I know :) |
| 19:20:28 | Oriumpor | alt.sex.old.people.you.dont.want.to.see |
| 19:20:46 | kergoth_ | BigBoss: some guy just bought a network attached serial port product.. and HAD NO IDEA WHAT A NETWORK IS, much less how to set this us |
| 19:20:49 | George- | warmi: Great way of forcing ppl to pay bills, lol :) |
| 19:20:59 | kergoth_ | BigBoss: he had a fucking serial cable (rj45) plugged into his ethernet port |
| 19:21:01 | kergoth_ | !@#%$ |
| 19:21:08 | Oriumpor | bwhahahaha |
| 19:21:11 | warmi | George-: heheh |
| 19:21:19 | kergoth_ | argh |
| 19:21:27 | kergoth_ | my boss seriously needs to fund a punching bag for support. |
| 19:21:29 | George- | kergoth_: WTF? |
| 19:21:30 | kergoth_ | that'd rock. |
| 19:21:34 | George- | kergoth_: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA |
| 19:21:39 | Oriumpor | kergoth_: put a heavy in the entryway. |
| 19:21:46 | kergoth_ | George-: their admin quit. he's like a fuckign secretary or some shit |
| 19:21:48 | BigBoss | kergoth: oh my god |
| 19:21:54 | BigBoss | what a moron |
| 19:22:02 | warmi | kergoth_: hehehe ... this is what are you getting paid for .. I mean if this was an easy job then you would be paid $8 per hour :-) |
| 19:22:21 | kergoth_ | "Sir, you'll need a crossover ethernet cable to connect this product directly into your server." .... *silence*... |
| 19:22:28 | kergoth_ | beats head against desk |
| 19:22:39 | kergoth_ | warmi: true that |
| 19:22:41 | Oriumpor | kergoth_: kergoth_: ggggaaaaaa |
| 19:22:43 | George- | kergoth_: "uhhhh... what's ethernet?" |
| 19:22:48 | Oriumpor | kergoth_: who's ether? |
| 19:22:52 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 19:23:05 | kergoth_ | ether, thats about all that was in this guys head |
| 19:23:07 | Oriumpor | what net?... like the internet right? |
| 19:23:20 | George- | warmi: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19971127&mode=classic |
| 19:23:21 | warmi | "who's ether" hehehe |
| 19:23:24 | George- | roflmao |
| 19:23:25 | Oriumpor | are you like one of those IS guys who hate everyone? |
| 19:23:34 | Oriumpor | why yes... yes I am |
| 19:23:37 | Oriumpor | *click* |
| 19:23:41 | BigBoss | did you tell him to close the drink holder on his computer first? |
| 19:23:42 | Oriumpor | call time has improved |
| 19:23:43 | Oriumpor | woot |
| 19:23:55 | kergoth_ | Oriumpor: I dont hate everyone myself, I'm in tech support, i think everyone is stupid, and i'm right. |
| 19:23:55 | George- | BigBoss: lol |
| 19:23:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:23:57 | kergoth_ | lol |
| 19:24:13 | George- | kergoth_: lol |
| 19:24:16 | kergoth_ | Sugar: make me a long island |
| 19:24:17 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth_. |
| 19:24:19 | kergoth_ | whee |
| 19:24:21 | Oriumpor | mostly everyone is. |
| 19:24:21 | George- | phones up kergoth_ at tech support |
| 19:24:33 | | ACTION shoots george in the head. |
| 19:24:33 | kergoth_ | ibot: shoot george |
| 19:24:55 | warmi | kergoth_: this is probably what happens when you take your car to a carshop .. that's how they most likely react behind your back to your uninformed qustions |
| 19:24:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:24:58 | George- | Hello, is that tech support? |
| 19:25:02 | warmi | it is good to remember that :-) |
| 19:25:02 | kergoth_ | warmi: hehe |
| 19:25:20 | George- | kergoth_: I would like to know if I can get a replacement keyboard: I can't see the "Any" key anywhere |
| 19:25:30 | warmi | it will help you keep your sanity |
| 19:25:32 | warmi | heeh |
| 19:25:42 | George- | kergoth_: Any idea how much it will cost, and when I can expect it to arrive? |
| 19:25:50 | kergoth_ | "sir, just type cat /etc/inittab > /dev/dty/a001s" |
| 19:25:57 | kergoth_ | "cat.. you mean like cat & dog?" |
| 19:25:58 | Oriumpor | oh jeeze |
| 19:26:01 | kergoth_ | i had that one. |
| 19:26:11 | Oriumpor | how about ping |
| 19:26:14 | Oriumpor | ping? |
| 19:26:18 | Oriumpor | is that a racist slur? |
| 19:26:21 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 19:26:34 | Oriumpor | hold please |
| 19:26:36 | kergoth_ | I love talking to new yorkers in tech support |
| 19:26:40 | kergoth_ | you can actually be blunt with them |
| 19:26:49 | kergoth_ | "Sir, just be quiet and type what i tell you to type." |
| 19:26:56 | Oriumpor | Ok. |
| 19:27:25 | Oriumpor | there's like 1 sane person that actually calls our helpdesk... the rest are incoherent... babbling and mostly deaf |
| 19:27:57 | Oriumpor | if their monitor is turned off... they freak |
| 19:28:10 | Oriumpor | that's about the average user... |
| 19:28:15 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 19:28:17 | kergoth_ | thats horrid |
| 19:28:24 | Oriumpor | the lower ones... well...w e won't even talk about people shoving things in floppy drives |
| 19:28:35 | Oriumpor | it's not a money holder? |
| 19:28:38 | kergoth_ | I'm glad I'm in unix tech support anyway, i usually avoid all the windowish basic shit, its normally admins who call |
| 19:28:40 | Oriumpor | oh god |
| 19:28:46 | kergoth_ | ack |
| 19:28:48 | kergoth_ | thats insane |
| 19:28:51 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 19:29:08 | Oriumpor | it keeps saying no signal |
| 19:29:19 | Oriumpor | something is wrong with my mouse, it won't click |
| 19:29:40 | kergoth_ | I need a drink |
| 19:29:41 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 19:29:45 | Oriumpor | it says illegal operation, am I going to get arrested? |
| 19:29:48 | Oriumpor | etc |
| 19:29:49 | Oriumpor | etc |
| 19:29:51 | Oriumpor | ad infinum |
| 19:30:46 | w00t | hello |
| 19:30:54 | jmhodges | hm.. can anyone help me setup hotplugging? |
| 19:31:12 | sig | W|GG |
| 19:31:21 | sig | W|GG-Libranet: you around? |
| 19:32:47 | BigBoss | hotplugging - sounds very sexy baby |
| 19:33:10 | jmhodges | lol |
| 19:33:13 | CmdrChalupa | anyone know how many states the battery applet in the zaurus has? |
| 19:33:24 | ljp- | 4 |
| 19:33:34 | CmdrChalupa | thanks |
| 19:33:58 | CmdrChalupa | does that include "charging" |
| 19:33:59 | BigBoss | 100%, 10% emtpy |
| 19:34:15 | w00t | heh |
| 19:34:17 | angry | BigBoss: how about you let me beta test tkcVideo? ;) |
| 19:34:20 | kergoth_ | CmdrChalupa: no, there are 4 states of battery level |
| 19:34:26 | kergoth_ | CmdrChalupa: then there's whether or not its charging |
| 19:34:31 | CmdrChalupa | ok, cool |
| 19:34:41 | oGMo | man, Backup/Restore _really_ should pipe through gzip |
| 19:34:41 | w00t | tkcVideo??? oo, oo - may i test as well? |
| 19:35:01 | oGMo | 5.2M -> 1.7M is quite a difference |
| 19:35:29 | w00t | is there anyway to reduce the amount of cached RAM used? |
| 19:35:37 | kergoth_ | w00t: you woulnt want to. |
| 19:35:40 | w00t | cuz its taking up more than half |
| 19:35:45 | kergoth_ | w00t: that memory is reclaimed when needed anyway. |
| 19:35:51 | kergoth_ | w00t: so? |
| 19:36:03 | kergoth_ | w00t: you werent using it anyway. |
| 19:36:12 | w00t | the reason is I get a lot of memory errors with tkcPlayer |
| 19:36:20 | kergoth_ | w00t: that has NOTHING to do with caching |
| 19:36:24 | w00t | i was wondering if I could tweak the memory so that it wont |
| 19:36:27 | kergoth_ | w00t: the cached memory is avilable for use when needed. |
| 19:36:32 | kergoth_ | w00t: that would be incredibly stupid |
| 19:36:32 | w00t | ah, ic |
| 19:36:37 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 19:36:43 | oGMo | CmdrChalupa: mine has like 4 states... full, low, very low, dead (or i guess, i've never actually had it dead) |
| 19:37:33 | w00t | i hve 185 mb of music (ogg) - and tkcPlayer's index leaves only 400k for buffering the music |
| 19:37:49 | oGMo | w00t: unused memory is wasted memory |
| 19:38:07 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 19:38:31 | w00t | true - but whenthe program crashes b/c of too little memory, then thats bad |
| 19:39:02 | kergoth_ | yes, but that has nothing to do with the fact that there's cached mem when you arent using it |
| 19:39:08 | kergoth_ | it means you didnt have enough with or without it |
| 19:39:28 | w00t | im sorry about asking about the cached memory |
| 19:39:35 | w00t | pretend i didnt say a thing about it |
| 19:39:36 | kergoth_ | no need to apologize, its a common question |
| 19:39:43 | w00t | heh |
| 19:40:19 | w00t | i read on zauruszone about a rom that mounts /home to SD |
| 19:40:45 | w00t | i would imagine it being slower |
| 19:41:01 | w00t | since SD < OnBoard RAM in speed |
| 19:41:30 | George- | w00t: no, not that much slower |
| 19:41:31 | numatrix | This may be a retarded question, but does anyone know how to make a file menu using Qtdesigner 1.1? |
| 19:41:43 | George- | w00t: it's Paul Flinders' ROM, it really rocks |
| 19:41:48 | darienm | someone told me you have to code in menus 'after the fact' |
| 19:41:52 | kergoth_ | w00t: its unnecessary. |
| 19:42:01 | oGMo | it might be neat to mount CF as /home |
| 19:42:13 | angry | BigBoss: tkcVideo can spawn a whole new generation of sideways movies ;) |
| 19:42:14 | kergoth_ | w00t: just install openzaurus with a kernel that gives you all the ram, then install all your apps to sd. |
| 19:42:16 | numatrix | darienm: Lovely. What about base application size? What's the best size form to start off with? 300x240? |
| 19:42:20 | Neo|Work | http://developer.kde.org/~sewardj/ <-- might be nice |
| 19:42:41 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: I've used it. valgrind rocks. |
| 19:42:49 | w00t | kergoth: witha kernel that gives u all the RAM? |
| 19:42:52 | w00t | which would be?? |
| 19:42:54 | darienm | numatrix: Im using 240x286 which allocates enough space for the title and the taskbar. |
| 19:43:00 | kergoth_ | w00t: yes, normally its split up into a ramdisk and ram |
| 19:43:05 | Neo|Work | kergoth: and there's an MDK rpm. :P |
| 19:43:07 | darienm | numatrix width x height |
| 19:43:12 | Neo|Work | kergoth: Going to test it now |
| 19:43:13 | kergoth_ | w00t: so you use one that lets you use all of the ram as ram, without a ramdisk. |
| 19:43:19 | numatrix | darienm: Figured. Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 19:43:20 | w00t | ah, i c |
| 19:43:21 | kergoth_ | w00t: thats what the paul flinders rom does |
| 19:43:28 | w00t | this available for sl5000d? |
| 19:43:32 | numatrix | darienm: That's without a menu though, right? |
| 19:43:34 | kergoth_ | w00t: yeah |
| 19:43:40 | darienm | numatrix, correct, without menu. |
| 19:43:49 | numatrix | Bummer; I'd have to go even shorter... |
| 19:43:51 | w00t | whats the version? or codename? |
| 19:43:52 | darienm | numatrix 26 more pixels required for a menubar |
| 19:43:56 | kergoth_ | w00t: ? |
| 19:44:00 | numatrix | Cool, thanks. 240x260... |
| 19:44:03 | | openzaurus is probably a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 19:44:03 | kergoth_ | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 19:44:07 | kergoth_ | sugar make me a long island] |
| 19:44:08 | kergoth_ | sugar make me a long island |
| 19:44:08 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth_. |
| 19:44:50 | angry | sugar make me a coke bitch |
| 19:44:50 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke bitch, pours it into a glass, which she hands angry. |
| 19:44:52 | angry | hehe |
| 19:44:58 | warmi | George-: I did not know they had color cartoons |
| 19:44:59 | George- | man, i love that dust puppy |
| 19:45:05 | angry | sugar, im sorry for using such vulgar language in referring to you |
| 19:45:11 | Oriumpor | sugar scotch |
| 19:45:19 | George- | warmi: sometimes :) |
| 19:45:21 | Oriumpor | just a damn scotch |
| 19:45:22 | angry | sugar make me a love |
| 19:45:22 | Sugar | puts creme de menthe into champagne flute and then fill with champagne and serves it to angry. |
| 19:45:24 | Oriumpor | nothing special |
| 19:45:28 | angry | sugar how do you make love |
| 19:45:28 | Sugar | angry: Ingredients for Arise My Love: 1 tsp Creme de Menthe (green) and Chilled Champagne |
| 19:45:28 | Sugar | angry: Put creme de menthe into champagne flute and then fill with champagne. |
| 19:45:29 | angry | lol |
| 19:45:38 | | sugar is nothing but an it-fowling mound of goatish snake assholes. |
| 19:45:38 | George- | ibot insult sugar |
| 19:45:38 | Neo|Work | kergoth: Quick test shows that it seems relatively fast |
| 19:45:38 | angry | sugar's teaching me how to make love |
| 19:45:50 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 19:45:59 | | ibot is nothing but a penguin-molesting tongueful of unintelligent entrails. |
| 19:45:59 | Oriumpor | ibot insult ibot |
| 19:46:03 | Neo|Work | and we can see that gimp is doing plenty of bad stuff. :)) |
| 19:46:03 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: great. i didnt do much perf testing, but it works quite well |
| 19:46:06 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 19:46:08 | Harlekin | huhu |
| 19:46:09 | | ACTION sugar make me a coke |
| 19:46:09 | angry | ibot spoony |
| 19:46:13 | angry | awww |
| 19:46:15 | Neo|Work | I started gimp and quit it. wasn' |
| 19:46:19 | warmi | darienm: why do you guys even care about exact pixel size for your controls ? |
| 19:46:21 | Neo|Work | wasn't fast but not too slow |
| 19:46:32 | Neo|Work | valgrind: the `impossible' happened: |
| 19:46:32 | Neo|Work | unhandled x86 opcode |
| 19:46:33 | Neo|Work | haha |
| 19:46:33 | kergoth_ | warmi: i was going to ask that.. |
| 19:46:34 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 19:46:35 | Neo|Work | how nice |
| 19:46:36 | angry | how do you make ibot just say somethign regular |
| 19:46:39 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: lol |
| 19:46:43 | Neo|Work | might be some athlon optimization perhaps |
| 19:46:52 | | kergoth_, I didn't have anything matching 'angry' |
| 19:46:52 | kergoth_ | ibot forget angry |
| 19:46:58 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 19:46:58 | kergoth_ | ibot angry is <reply> blah |
| 19:47:00 | darienm | warmi: exact? no. |
| 19:47:01 | | blah |
| 19:47:01 | kergoth_ | ibot: angry? |
| 19:47:06 | | angryBSD is a whore |
| 19:47:06 | angry | ibot angryBSD |
| 19:47:08 | angry | hehe |
| 19:47:10 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 19:47:13 | darienm | warmi: but as a guideline for sizing other items and their relationships |
| 19:47:14 | | A stable secure open source operating system.. URL: http://www.freebsd.org/ |
| 19:47:14 | Oriumpor | ibot freebsd |
| 19:47:19 | | Oriumpor: excuse me? |
| 19:47:19 | Oriumpor | ibot obsd |
| 19:47:20 | warmi | ah ok |
| 19:47:22 | angry | freebsd can eat it |
| 19:47:25 | angry | pimp the openbsd baby |
| 19:47:32 | | OK, George-. |
| 19:47:32 | George- | ibot kergoth_ is <reply> Yes, tech support here! |
| 19:47:35 | kergoth_ | woo hoo |
| 19:47:38 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 19:47:38 | Oriumpor | ibot obsd is <reply> See OpenBSD |
| 19:47:40 | kergoth_ | bkbits.net is back up |
| 19:47:49 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 01:07:02) |
| 19:47:51 | warmi | normally it is very bad idea to hardcode sizes etc unless your app has to run only on the zaurus |
| 19:48:03 | kergoth_ | warmi: and obviously could cause problems for rotation |
| 19:48:06 | | sugar, make me a coke bitch |
| 19:48:06 | angry | ibot spoony |
| 19:48:07 | darienm | warmi: I follow that. |
| 19:48:07 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke bitch, pours it into a glass, which she hands ibot. |
| 19:48:09 | angry | hahahaha |
| 19:48:12 | kergoth_ | lol |
| 19:48:16 | angry | robot communication |
| 19:48:21 | w00t | wtf |
| 19:48:23 | numatrix | warmi: That's true; I hadn't thought of rotation... and that would be good for what I'm doing. |
| 19:48:24 | angry | oh shit |
| 19:48:28 | angry | can you make sugar say stuff |
| 19:48:43 | darienm | warmi: but to begin the layout, and see what fits while retaining good UI protocol, you have to start somewhere. |
| 19:48:48 | angry | can sugar say stuff? |
| 19:48:50 | kergoth_ | angry: dont put them into a loop, please |
| 19:48:50 | angry | sugar help |
| 19:48:50 | Sugar | I'm Sugar, an interactive Pike bot. These modules are currently loaded: babelfish, beer, cyborg, dice, drinks, fortune, google, quote, seen and talk. To get module specific help, type: help <modulename> |
| 19:48:53 | kergoth_ | angry: hehe |
| 19:48:55 | | ibot's master is, like, fun |
| 19:48:55 | w00t | ibot who is your master? |
| 19:48:59 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 19:49:00 | angry | help talk |
| 19:49:00 | w00t | um, ok |
| 19:49:04 | angry | sugar help talk |
| 19:49:04 | Sugar | This module has various reponses to standard things like thanks etc. It also supports conversions between different units and currencies. Example syntax: How much is 100 USD in SEK. How much is 2000 sqft in m². There are too many units to list. |
| 19:49:15 | warmi | darienm: yeah .. I am doing that for prototyping myself . |
| 19:49:22 | darienm | warmi: I found out today some things I wanted to do, (e.g., position of text fields) wouldn't work because of the way the on-screen keyboard pops up. |
| 19:49:22 | kendrick2 | does the zaurus email client do auth'd smtp? |
| 19:49:27 | | no idea, w00t |
| 19:49:27 | w00t | ibot who created you? |
| 19:49:28 | angry | sugar google ibot spoony |
| 19:49:33 | kendrick2 | asking so i can respond to a usenet q :) |
| 19:49:33 | | owner is, like, BZFlag on a host run by Tangent |
| 19:49:33 | kergoth_ | ibot: owner? |
| 19:49:36 | | Oriumpor: i'm not following you... |
| 19:49:36 | Oriumpor | ibot alicebot |
| 19:49:38 | w00t | ah |
| 19:49:39 | angry | damn |
| 19:49:46 | | Yes, tech support here! |
| 19:49:46 | George- | ibot: kergoth_? |
| 19:49:50 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 19:49:50 | Oriumpor | ibot alicebot is <reply> Is much better than me. |
| 19:49:51 | warmi | darienm: yeah .. it sends QResizeEvent to you widget with new size specified |
| 19:49:51 | darienm | warmi: this is my first day with qt designer. I've used similar programs, so I'm learning the ropes. |
| 19:49:54 | | Is much better than me. |
| 19:49:54 | Oriumpor | ibot alicebot |
| 19:49:58 | angry | sugar seen ibot spoony |
| 19:49:59 | Sugar | angry: Sorry, I haven't seen ibot spoony |
| 19:50:00 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 19:50:02 | angry | damnit |
| 19:50:04 | Neo|Work | ok, valgrind is kind-of slow. :P |
| 19:50:13 | warmi | basically resizeEven() method is called on your widget whenever size of you widget changes |
| 19:50:15 | darienm | warmi: I haven't gotten the auto-rezise to work yet... but haven't tried hard |
| 19:50:22 | angry | sugar quote |
| 19:50:25 | kendrick2 | hey neo |
| 19:50:28 | George- | wth is valgrind? |
| 19:50:29 | angry | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:50:30 | Sugar | angry: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:50:33 | w00t | well, im going to check out OZ and Opie |
| 19:50:35 | w00t | ttyl |
| 19:50:46 | warmi | darienm: oh yeah ... personally, I avoid QTDesigned because, I guess, I am too stupid to use it |
| 19:51:00 | warmi | manual coding layout stuff works for me well |
| 19:51:12 | warmi | heh |
| 19:51:19 | darienm | warmi: with my interface, and at least to begin with, I have to start somewhere visual. |
| 19:51:22 | numatrix | I'm trying to do a gui for ethereal so it seemed like qtdesigner was definitely the way to start out |
| 19:51:34 | angry | okay |
| 19:51:37 | angry | im going to try this |
| 19:51:43 | angry | if it works, im sorry to everyone in this chat |
| 19:51:46 | | well, Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY is sugar quote spoony |
| 19:51:46 | angry | ibot Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 19:51:50 | angry | ahh damnit |
| 19:51:51 | angry | hha |
| 19:51:55 | angry | ohh wait let me try this |
| 19:52:00 | warmi | darienm: I only use QTDesigner to prototype my UI , to make sure it will actually fit withing that minimal window |
| 19:52:02 | oGMo | heh that'd rock... ethereal on the Z for sniffing wireless network traffic |
| 19:52:09 | warmi | I used to use MS Acess for that before :-) |
| 19:52:10 | oGMo | not that i'd use it for anything ;) |
| 19:52:27 | numatrix | oGMo: actually, you'd be better off using kismet for the sniffing. |
| 19:52:28 | angry | somebody say "ibot Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY" |
| 19:52:32 | angry | im too scared to do it |
| 19:52:35 | angry | it may create a bot loop |
| 19:52:36 | angry | lol |
| 19:52:36 | kendrick2 | wanders |
| 19:52:41 | numatrix | ethereal would just be better for packet decodes... :-) |
| 19:52:49 | oGMo | numatrix: does that actually show you traffic analysis though? |
| 19:53:01 | Neo|Work | ==14850== More than 300 different errors detected. I'm not reporting any more. |
| 19:53:01 | Neo|Work | ==14850== Final error counts will be inaccurate. Go fix your program! |
| 19:53:01 | numatrix | just as if you had sniffed it with ethereal... |
| 19:53:04 | oGMo | numatrix: i don't mean just sniffing for a network, i mean looking at the bits flying through the air ;) |
| 19:53:07 | Neo|Work | that's kinda funny |
| 19:53:09 | numatrix | I copy kismet dumps from my zaurus to my pc all the time. |
| 19:53:15 | oGMo | ah cool |
| 19:53:18 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: hah, whats that from? |
| 19:53:23 | darienm | warmi: I'm at the prototype stage today, I just wrapped up final project specs yesterday. |
| 19:53:23 | angry | numatrix: bad boy ;) |
| 19:53:40 | numatrix | angry: Na, that's what I get paid to do. ;-) |
| 19:53:43 | warmi | yeah .. makes sense |
| 19:53:44 | Neo|Work | kergoth_: won't say. ;-) |
| 19:53:48 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 19:53:53 | Neo|Work | something I'll debug tonight. :) |
| 19:54:03 | angry | numatrix: heh, intercompany "relations"? ;) |
| 19:54:08 | kergoth_ | i should use it more often |
| 19:54:25 | numatrix | Nope, I work network security for a university. We have to track rogue access points. |
| 19:54:29 | George- | kergoth_: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19971215&mode=classic <--- Is that the sorta problems you get? :) |
| 19:54:37 | angry | numatrix: cool |
| 19:55:15 | warmi | does valgrind understand C++ ? |
| 19:55:28 | warmi | well, I am sure gcc uses malloc/free internally anyway |
| 19:56:16 | angry | whatever you do, do NOT say "ibot Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY" :-P |
| 19:56:20 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes |
| 19:56:29 | Neo|Work | and it can attach gdb for you automatically yoo |
| 19:56:34 | warmi | i have to run my code thru that |
| 19:56:46 | warmi | see if it goes bezerk |
| 19:57:29 | angry | BigBoss - you there? |
| 19:57:47 | Neo|Work | seems very nice, like the best once I've seen so far ever for Linux |
| 19:57:54 | Neo|Work | possibly with the exception of commercial ones |
| 19:57:58 | Neo|Work | like Insure++ |
| 19:58:01 | Neo|Work | but it's helluva expensive |
| 19:58:12 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:12 | BZFlag | ibot Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 19:58:13 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:13 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:14 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:14 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:14 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:14 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:15 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:15 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:16 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:16 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:16 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:16 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:17 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:17 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:18 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:18 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:20 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:20 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:22 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:22 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:24 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:24 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:26 | angry | OH GOD |
| 19:58:26 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:26 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:26 | erikd | bahahahaha |
| 19:58:28 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:28 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:28 | angry | NOooooooooooooooo |
| 19:58:30 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:30 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:30 | erikd | bot wars! |
| 19:58:32 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:32 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:33 | kergoth_ | lol |
| 19:58:34 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:34 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:34 | Oriumpor | oh god |
| 19:58:36 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:36 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:36 | George- | uhm |
| 19:58:36 | angry | bot forget Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 19:58:37 | | Oriumpor: excuse me? |
| 19:58:37 | Oriumpor | ibot stop |
| 19:58:38 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:38 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:39 | George- | SRIUT |
| 19:58:40 | | Neo|Work: I forgot spoony |
| 19:58:40 | Neo|Work | ibot forget spoony |
| 19:58:41 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:41 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:44 | angry | there we go |
| 19:58:45 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:45 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:47 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:47 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:49 | BZFlag | nice. |
| 19:58:49 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:49 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:50 | angry | damnit |
| 19:58:51 | kergoth_ | lol |
| 19:58:51 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:51 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:53 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:53 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:53 | angry | stop that |
| 19:58:55 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:55 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:55 | nadav | bah |
| 19:58:56 | erikd | haha |
| 19:58:57 | George- | LOL |
| 19:58:57 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:57 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:58:57 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: you shall die |
| 19:58:59 | erikd | this is great |
| 19:58:59 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:58:59 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:59:01 | kergoth_ | lmao |
| 19:59:01 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 19:59:01 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:59:03 | | angry: I forgot invalid ticker symbol spoony |
| 19:59:03 | angry | ibot forget Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 19:59:03 | warmi | fuck |
| 19:59:03 | | Sugar: excuse me? |
| 19:59:03 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:59:03 | George- | LMAO |
| 19:59:07 | | Oriumpor: sorry... |
| 19:59:07 | Oriumpor | ibot restart |
| 19:59:08 | George- | BOT WARS! |
| 19:59:09 | George- | :))) |
| 19:59:10 | angry | okay there we go |
| 19:59:12 | angry | hahahaha |
| 19:59:12 | nadav | haha |
| 19:59:13 | angry | that was funny |
| 19:59:18 | | George-: huh? |
| 19:59:18 | George- | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 19:59:20 | angry | good thing i could stop him :) |
| 19:59:21 | kergoth_ | lol |
| 19:59:25 | angry | George-: i made him forget it :) |
| 19:59:32 | Neo|Work | ah, doh |
| 19:59:36 | Neo|Work | made him forget the wrong thing. :P |
| 19:59:38 | Oriumpor | what is it running anyways? |
| 19:59:44 | | OK, angry. |
| 19:59:44 | angry | ibot Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY is something you should never say EVER again |
| 19:59:54 | Oriumpor | LoL |
| 20:00:04 | George- | lmao |
| 20:00:09 | nadav | lol |
| 20:00:09 | | BZFlag: I forgot invalid ticker symbol spoony |
| 20:00:09 | BZFlag | ibot forget Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 20:00:45 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: that was evil. and fun |
| 20:00:52 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 20:00:54 | BZFlag | cound not resist. |
| 20:00:57 | BZFlag | er could |
| 20:00:58 | angry | curiosity overcame :) |
| 20:00:58 | Neo|Work | first bot loop I've seen. :P |
| 20:01:05 | Oriumpor | I've had worse |
| 20:01:08 | Oriumpor | but.... |
| 20:01:13 | Oriumpor | normally they listen to restart |
| 20:01:15 | Oriumpor | or stop |
| 20:01:16 | ljp- | oh man.. I missed something fun? |
| 20:01:22 | Oriumpor | but I have no clue what the heck this bot is |
| 20:01:26 | kergoth_ | ljp-: ibot and sugar bot loop |
| 20:01:31 | crackotter | Anybody heard about any problems with the 128MB SD Card from SanDisk? |
| 20:01:31 | ljp- | hehe |
| 20:01:32 | angry | ljp-: i set the bots up to loop and BZFlag triggered it :) |
| 20:01:35 | Oriumpor | sugar scotch |
| 20:01:43 | Oriumpor | sugar make me a damn scotch! |
| 20:01:47 | Oriumpor | sighs |
| 20:01:50 | kergoth_ | sugar make me a scotch |
| 20:01:50 | Sugar | You have to tell me which one. I can make 14 different, for instance Scotch Highball, Scotch Milk Punch, Scotch Stinger, Scotch Mist, Scotch on the Rocks and Scotch Royale. |
| 20:01:50 | BZFlag | needs to add bot spam protection in ibot sometime. |
| 20:02:00 | Oriumpor | just a friggen sotch |
| 20:02:03 | Oriumpor | er yeah |
| 20:02:04 | Oriumpor | scotch |
| 20:02:09 | kergoth_ | sugar make me a scotch on the rocks |
| 20:02:09 | Sugar | pours scotch into an old-fashioned glass half filled with ice and serves it to kergoth_. |
| 20:02:14 | Oriumpor | no ... no ice! |
| 20:02:14 | kergoth_ | heheh |
| 20:02:15 | Oriumpor | :P_ |
| 20:02:20 | kergoth_ | bah |
| 20:02:25 | kergoth_ | need ice |
| 20:02:34 | ljp- | sugar make me a jedi master |
| 20:02:39 | George- | LOL |
| 20:02:43 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 20:02:57 | ljp- | sugar make me a jedi master |
| 20:03:02 | toolafial | that must be one strong drink |
| 20:03:12 | prpplague | sugar guinness is <action> pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 20:03:16 | George- | lol |
| 20:03:16 | Oriumpor | you'll explode if you drink it in one sitting |
| 20:03:27 | BigBoss | yummy |
| 20:03:37 | BZFlag | sugar jedi master is <reply> *POOF* you're a jedi master |
| 20:03:39 | BigBoss | sugar make ljp a clone master |
| 20:03:50 | | Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY is sugar quote spoony |
| 20:03:50 | Neo|Work | ibot Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 20:03:58 | | toolafial: sorry... |
| 20:03:58 | toolafial | ibot shoot jedi master |
| 20:04:01 | | BZFlag: I forgot invalid ticker symbol spoony |
| 20:04:01 | BZFlag | ibot forget Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 20:04:02 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:04:02 | Neo|Work | ibot Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 20:04:03 | | Sugar: i'm not following you... |
| 20:04:03 | Sugar | ibot: No 801540339, you shall not 766506660 create a bot loop. |
| 20:04:03 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:04:03 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 20:04:04 | | Sugar: excuse me? |
| 20:04:04 | Sugar | ibot: No 404675598, you shall not 423338883 create a bot loop. |
| 20:04:04 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:04:04 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 20:04:05 | | Sugar: what? |
| 20:04:05 | Sugar | ibot: No 80715529, you shall not 910101825 create a bot loop. |
| 20:04:05 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:04:05 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 20:04:09 | | Sugar: huh? |
| 20:04:09 | Sugar | ibot: No 945711019, you shall not 303065113 create a bot loop. |
| 20:04:09 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:04:09 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 20:04:09 | Neo|Work | ack |
| 20:04:13 | | Sugar: huh? |
| 20:04:13 | Sugar | ibot: No 340517029, you shall not 787017969 create a bot loop. |
| 20:04:13 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:04:13 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 20:04:13 | George- | LOL |
| 20:04:17 | | Sugar: sorry... |
| 20:04:17 | Sugar | ibot: No 75545823, you shall not 928310283 create a bot loop. |
| 20:04:17 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:04:17 | Sugar | ibot: Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY. |
| 20:04:17 | | BZFlag: I forgot invalid ticker symbol spoony |
| 20:04:17 | BZFlag | ibot forget Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 20:04:40 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:04:40 | Neo|Work | ibot Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 20:04:40 | | Sugar: sorry... |
| 20:04:40 | Sugar | ibot: No 718330421, you shall not 659287771 create a bot loop. |
| 20:04:43 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 20:04:43 | prpplague | ibot guinness <action> pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 20:04:44 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 20:04:52 | | BZFlag: I forgot invalid ticker symbol spoony |
| 20:04:52 | BZFlag | ibot forget Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 20:04:54 | angry | lol |
| 20:04:56 | | Sorry, Neo|Work, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 20:04:56 | Neo|Work | ibot shut up |
| 20:05:01 | prpplague | argh, i never can remember how to work with the bots |
| 20:05:08 | | Oriumpor: what? |
| 20:05:08 | Oriumpor | ibot blow up |
| 20:05:18 | angry | are you making sugar not let ibot command her? |
| 20:05:20 | ljp- | a little bored this afternoon, eh? |
| 20:05:31 | | OK, Oriumpor. |
| 20:05:31 | Oriumpor | ibot blow up is <reply> /me explodes |
| 20:05:34 | angry | sugar doesnt need to be ibot's bitch anymore! |
| 20:05:34 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:05:34 | Neo|Work | ibot Invalid ticker symbol SPOONY |
| 20:05:35 | | /me explodes |
| 20:05:35 | Oriumpor | ibot blow up |
| 20:05:37 | | JasonNJ: what? |
| 20:05:37 | JasonNJ | ibot: quote wcome |
| 20:05:37 | | Sorry, Sugar, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 20:05:37 | Sugar | ibot: shut up |
| 20:05:43 | Neo|Work | there |
| 20:05:51 | Neo|Work | poo on you |
| 20:05:53 | | George-: sorry... |
| 20:05:53 | George- | ibot invalid ticker symbol spoony |
| 20:05:55 | | angry: I forgot blow up |
| 20:05:55 | angry | ibot forget blow up |
| 20:05:56 | George- | damn :) |
| 20:05:59 | | toolafial: what? |
| 20:05:59 | toolafial | ibot pr0n |
| 20:06:04 | | OK, angry. |
| 20:06:04 | angry | ibot blow up is <action> explodes |
| 20:06:06 | | ACTION explodes |
| 20:06:06 | angry | ibot blow up |
| 20:06:06 | | ACTION humps the channel |
| 20:06:06 | JasonNJ | ibot: hump |
| 20:06:10 | angry | lol! |
| 20:06:10 | Oriumpor | woot |
| 20:06:13 | | prpplague: sorry... |
| 20:06:13 | prpplague | ibot guinness <reply> ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 20:06:29 | toolafial | :$ |
| 20:06:53 | kergoth_ | prpplague: you forgot an 'is' |
| 20:06:57 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 20:06:57 | prpplague | ibot guinness is <reply> ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 20:07:04 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 20:07:18 | prpplague | ahh, i don't why i have such a hard time with bot syntax |
| 20:07:21 | | Oriumpor: sorry... |
| 20:07:21 | Oriumpor | ibot ethernet |
| 20:07:22 | ljp- | guinness is chewy |
| 20:07:24 | | ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 20:07:24 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 20:07:28 | | i haven't a clue, oriumpor |
| 20:07:28 | Oriumpor | ibot: ethernet is <reply> is a combination of what users have in their heads, and that which must be used to cajole them into using linux. |
| 20:07:31 | Oriumpor | doh |
| 20:07:48 | kergoth_ | Oriumpor: too many is's |
| 20:07:49 | | it has been said that die is DADO, DADO, DADO!!!! |
| 20:07:49 | George- | ibot die |
| 20:07:51 | kergoth_ | brb |
| 20:08:10 | | ljp-: excuse me? |
| 20:08:10 | ljp- | ibot: Sharp |
| 20:08:28 | | oriumpor: bugger all, i dunno |
| 20:08:28 | Oriumpor | ibot: ethernet is <reply> a combination of what users have in their heads, and that which must be used to cajole them into using linux. |
| 20:08:32 | Oriumpor | friggen |
| 20:08:34 | Oriumpor | crap |
| 20:08:40 | | sugar quote spoony |
| 20:08:40 | George- | ibot invalid ticker symbol spoony |
| 20:08:41 | | Sorry, Sugar, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 20:08:41 | Sugar | ibot: shut up |
| 20:08:48 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 20:08:49 | Oriumpor | bwahaha |
| 20:08:50 | George- | cool :) |
| 20:09:26 | | i think i am "the" bot around |
| 20:09:26 | Oriumpor | ibot what are you? |
| 20:09:35 | | angry: i don't know |
| 20:09:35 | angry | ibot: ethernet is <reply> a combination of what users have in their heads |
| 20:09:38 | | George-: what? |
| 20:09:38 | George- | ibot you can go suck kergoth's ass |
| 20:09:43 | | vercel is another linux pda not yet shipping. likely not shipping till Q1 next year. |
| 20:09:43 | ljp- | ibot: vercel |
| 20:09:54 | | angry: i don't know |
| 20:09:54 | angry | ibot: ethernet is a combination of what users have in their heads |
| 20:10:05 | | i haven't a clue, angry |
| 20:10:05 | angry | ibot ethernet is <reply> a combination of what users have in their heads |
| 20:10:18 | George- | did M$ acquire apple in 1997? |
| 20:10:27 | prpplague | ljp-: you know about the vercel? |
| 20:10:35 | Oriumpor | George-: Yeah... that's why I run XP on my powerbook |
| 20:10:38 | Oriumpor | George-: :P |
| 20:10:39 | nadav | hahah |
| 20:10:43 | George- | Oriumpor: lol |
| 20:10:47 | | okay, ljp-. |
| 20:10:47 | ljp- | ibot: vercel is also located at http://www.vercel.com |
| 20:10:49 | George- | Oriumpor: I have a powerbook; no XP =P |
| 20:11:11 | George- | nuhduhv! |
| 20:11:12 | George- | heya |
| 20:11:15 | BigBoss | what do you want to know about vercel? |
| 20:11:33 | warmi | darienm: your apps , at least the general layout, looks very much like NFDB |
| 20:11:34 | nadav | meow george |
| 20:12:25 | George- | wtF? |
| 20:12:27 | George- | MEOW? |
| 20:12:32 | George- | +P |
| 20:12:36 | | OK, ljp-. |
| 20:12:36 | ljp- | ibot: Sharp is <reply> oh Great Googli-Moogli! |
| 20:12:45 | nadav | hey, you call me nuhduhv.. |
| 20:12:47 | crackotter | Looks like the Vercel is also running QT... |
| 20:13:00 | ljp- | no, it'll run qtopia |
| 20:13:01 | prpplague | crackotter: ya, its one of BZFlag's babies |
| 20:13:24 | BZFlag | crackotter: looks like? where did you see something about it? |
| 20:13:47 | crackotter | Went to the www.verzel.com site then clicked on the developer link |
| 20:13:48 | angry | BigBoss: can i beta tkcVideo? :) |
| 20:14:02 | George- | nuhduhv: so? |
| 20:14:23 | ljp- | BZFlag: I read a bit about the vercel winning some award.. on linuxdevices a bit ago |
| 20:14:37 | nadav | George-: *thinks* |
| 20:15:00 | BigBoss | angry: you could if it wasn't already done :) |
| 20:15:02 | crackotter | I don't see any specs on it though.. other than it is running "Lineo" |
| 20:15:22 | BigBoss | there isn't anything running anything at Vercel - it's still up in the air |
| 20:16:12 | ljp- | BB: go to vercel's developer site |
| 20:16:37 | nadav | George-: you have 512mb ram on your tibook? |
| 20:16:45 | crackotter | BigBoss: Says running "Lineo" embedded on the develpers site.. |
| 20:17:10 | BigBoss | I know what is on their site, but they haven't done anything yet |
| 20:17:21 | BigBoss | this is what they plan to do, if in fact they do a device |
| 20:17:29 | crackotter | aahhh |
| 20:18:22 | angry | BigBoss: can i beta something when you need a beta tester? :-P |
| 20:18:26 | Neo|Work | ==30370== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) |
| 20:18:27 | Neo|Work | ==30370== at 0x404F4A3C: QCString::resize(unsigned int) (in /mnt/disk/backup/home/md8-local/Qtopia/lib/libqte.so.2.3.2) |
| 20:18:28 | Neo|Work | nice. :) |
| 20:18:36 | BigBoss | angry: are you already a customer? |
| 20:18:40 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work: oo i havent seen that message before. nifty. |
| 20:18:59 | George- | nadav: yes |
| 20:19:05 | George- | nadav: soon to be upgraded to 1GB |
| 20:19:12 | numatrix | angry: You can't wait one day for the video player? ;-) |
| 20:19:24 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: qt is full of it |
| 20:19:30 | nadav | George-: if i get an ibook, 384mb or 640mb? |
| 20:19:33 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: we allready took it apart 4 month ago |
| 20:19:37 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: indeed |
| 20:19:37 | George- | nadav: 384 |
| 20:19:39 | kergoth_ | brb |
| 20:19:42 | George- | nadav: haha |
| 20:19:46 | CloudChaser | heya everyone |
| 20:19:52 | CloudChaser | is wilting in the heat |
| 20:19:53 | Oriumpor | if you run virtualpc 640 is almost required |
| 20:19:53 | BZFlag | crackotter: ahh. |
| 20:20:14 | Oriumpor | *almost* |
| 20:20:21 | George- | Oriumpor: lol, I run VPC and 512 does me fine |
| 20:20:24 | BZFlag | has a vercel on his desk. |
| 20:20:33 | Oriumpor | 512 is more than 384 |
| 20:20:35 | nadav | George-: you think 384 will be enough? |
| 20:20:37 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: but luckily valgrind has code to filter out errors (which I haven't looked at) |
| 20:20:40 | nadav | heh |
| 20:20:50 | George- | nadav: yeh |
| 20:20:57 | nadav | okay. |
| 20:21:04 | George- | nadav: my compaq presario only has 320, and that runs fine with *gasp* winxp and linux |
| 20:21:09 | ljp- | wants a vercel on his desk |
| 20:21:22 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 20:21:53 | Neo|Work | Qt seems very sloppy with freeing memory |
| 20:21:54 | ljp- | _needs_ a vercel on his desk |
| 20:22:01 | Neo|Work | mainly, it doesn't free memory still in use at exit |
| 20:22:08 | ljp- | neo: you doing valgrind onit? |
| 20:22:32 | Neo|Work | ljp-: just playing around, yes |
| 20:22:37 | BigBoss | ljp doesn't know what a vercel looks like yet :) |
| 20:22:38 | Neo|Work | my small eon config app |
| 20:22:48 | Neo|Work | will do some serious debugging tonight. :) |
| 20:22:52 | Neo|Work | of various games |
| 20:23:01 | Neo|Work | mainly because it seems to work. :)) |
| 20:23:07 | Neo|Work | and I'm so excited about that, heh |
| 20:23:46 | ljp- | BB: I dont care what it looks like... :) |
| 20:23:53 | warmi | NeoWork: why bother freeing memory on exit ? |
| 20:23:55 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:24:08 | warmi | I mean it is not DOS we are working here :-) |
| 20:25:34 | ljp- | DOS frees memory just fine after you reboot |
| 20:26:14 | warmi | which you do every time when you are done with your app so .. well, there is no reason to that at all, even with DOS :-) |
| 20:26:38 | prpplague | ljp-: i'm dying for a vercel as well |
| 20:26:51 | Oriumpor | mem -c |
| 20:27:06 | Neo|Work | warmi: because it clean and nicer. :P |
| 20:27:09 | ljp- | ahh.. I need one for testing purposes |
| 20:27:23 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah but it doesn't matter :-) just wasting CPU |
| 20:27:25 | Oriumpor | wasn't it so vicious of M$ to give you a process viewer... and yet no way to kill them |
| 20:27:29 | Neo|Work | but in all honesty, it's not strictly needed of course |
| 20:27:36 | warmi | I do it but I often wonder if I really need to |
| 20:27:56 | Neo|Work | but not doing it invites sloppy programming |
| 20:28:08 | Neo|Work | where you think "nah, don't need to free this - it'll be freed on exit) |
| 20:28:13 | warmi | the only reason I can think of is that I can get sloppy with it and someday will stop freeing memory inside of my apps :-) |
| 20:28:20 | warmi | precisely |
| 20:28:54 | Neo|Work | Strategic Assault is up to #3 in the Handango best seller list. :)) |
| 20:29:18 | Harlekin | whats number one? |
| 20:29:24 | ljp- | did you get a busload of grannies to buy it? |
| 20:29:34 | Neo|Work | it is dangerous to thing "nah, won't check if I the char array is long enough here, because I know it is" |
| 20:29:35 | nadav | Harlekin: tkcaddressbook |
| 20:29:38 | George- | heya cranch |
| 20:29:41 | Neo|Work | ljp-: heh |
| 20:29:57 | cranchau | Hey George |
| 20:29:59 | cranchau | what up |
| 20:30:17 | ljp- | th esky is up |
| 20:30:23 | cranchau | :P |
| 20:30:31 | cranchau | brb |
| 20:30:46 | George- | ljp-: that's really old =P |
| 20:30:55 | ljp- | old as dirt? |
| 20:31:02 | Harlekin | nadav: ah, only payapps listing |
| 20:31:54 | darienm | anyone konw about this? http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=346 |
| 20:32:25 | nadav | Harlekin: yes, i think that might be why they call it "Best Selling Software" |
| 20:32:50 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: tkcAddressBook and tkcCalendar and then SA |
| 20:33:38 | Neo|Work | counting downloads of entertainment software, SA is number 5 |
| 20:33:51 | Neo|Work | including that stupid outlook (or whatever) satalart crap |
| 20:33:56 | kergoth_ | darienm: whats there to know? its minicom |
| 20:34:00 | nadav | Neo: what's above it? |
| 20:34:12 | darienm | kergoth: wasn't sniper hot to get a terminal emulator developed? |
| 20:34:19 | darienm | kergoth:does this fit that bill, or not even close? |
| 20:34:26 | kergoth_ | darienm: he wants gui. |
| 20:34:35 | darienm | ahh, so that's the difference |
| 20:34:37 | kergoth_ | darienm: ala securecrt in windows. |
| 20:34:39 | ljp- | chewy gui |
| 20:34:44 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: is there an overall "most downloaded app" listing |
| 20:34:44 | kergoth_ | darienm: yes, exactly. and with ssh support also. |
| 20:34:53 | angry | BigBoss: how about building in some java syntax highlighting into tkcEditor :) |
| 20:35:10 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: I was actually looking for that and I don't see one |
| 20:35:10 | ljp- | java? |
| 20:35:30 | angry | ljp-: you no like java? |
| 20:35:36 | BigBoss | angry: it's already there |
| 20:35:41 | Neo|Work | SA is the second most downloaded pay app at least |
| 20:35:58 | angry | BigBoss: oh on your site it doesnt list it as a language that's highlighted |
| 20:36:15 | jmhodges | bashes his sharp cradle |
| 20:36:18 | BigBoss | really? It's suppose to. Let me check it |
| 20:36:32 | angry | :/home/cvs/private |
| 20:36:34 | angry | err |
| 20:36:37 | angry | http://thekompany.com/embedded/tkceditor/ |
| 20:36:59 | Neo|Work | btw, valgrind = val + grind (swedish) = whale gate or choice gate. :) |
| 20:37:08 | kergoth_ | ah |
| 20:37:15 | Neo|Work | or election gate. |
| 20:37:23 | jmhodges | i hate you usbdnet, i hate you i hate you i hate you |
| 20:37:30 | Neo|Work | not that I know if it's ACTUALLY meant to have some meaning in Swedish. :)) |
| 20:37:39 | ljp- | angry: I'm ambivalent about java.. I mostly drink it, tho |
| 20:39:09 | jmhodges | ok |
| 20:39:17 | Oriumpor | You have new mail (338 messages, 1436677 bytes total) |
| 20:39:20 | Oriumpor | I should really check taht |
| 20:39:22 | Oriumpor | er that |
| 20:39:27 | nadav | that might be a good idea |
| 20:39:33 | jmhodges | ive got hotplugging installed.. alll my modules lined up (i think) and my modules.conf setup as well |
| 20:39:36 | jmhodges | wtf am i missing? |
| 20:39:37 | kergoth_ | Oriumpor: looks like a box thats subscribed to lkml that you left alone over the weekend |
| 20:39:44 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: didnt run depmod -a? |
| 20:39:54 | jmhodges | kergoth_: i rebooted |
| 20:39:56 | Oriumpor | kergoth_: securityfocus-linux :P |
| 20:40:06 | kergoth_ | Oriumpor: hah |
| 20:40:18 | cranch_ | how soon are new apps due out BigBoss |
| 20:40:18 | cranch_ | ? |
| 20:40:35 | angry | BigBoss: also, on the "embedded" page on the last paragraph of the intro you misspell "implement" as "impliment" |
| 20:41:43 | warmi | so , NeoWork: looks like your little price cut experiment worked after all |
| 20:42:06 | Oriumpor | warmi: price cut? |
| 20:42:52 | warmi | Oriumpor: yeah .. on myzaurus.com some of his game are priced now around $7 instead of $15 as they used to bne |
| 20:42:54 | warmi | be |
| 20:42:56 | cranch_ | is there anyway to transfer my old address book from tkc's add. book to the addy book in OpenZ (same tkc app) |
| 20:43:17 | kergoth_ | cranch_: cp? |
| 20:43:24 | cranch_ | but which files... |
| 20:43:28 | cranch_ | should have clarified |
| 20:43:28 | darienm | cranch_: just copy it |
| 20:43:32 | darienm | datebook.xml |
| 20:43:38 | kergoth_ | cranch_: most apps store settings in ~/Applications/ |
| 20:43:53 | kergoth_ | darienm: tkc's app uses datebook.xml? |
| 20:44:16 | darienm | I believe so. |
| 20:44:18 | darienm | I'll verify |
| 20:44:23 | cranch_ | I have a datebook.xml file |
| 20:44:29 | cranch_ | and I haven't ever used the original app |
| 20:44:31 | cranch_ | must be |
| 20:44:32 | angry | can't you view XML in a tree-like form? |
| 20:44:40 | kergoth_ | angry: yeah, with vi. |
| 20:44:42 | kergoth_ | :-P |
| 20:44:54 | darienm | YES |
| 20:45:10 | darienm | kergoth_: tkcAddressBook uses datebook.xml |
| 20:45:14 | George- | hi |
| 20:45:39 | nadav | hi |
| 20:45:58 | cranch_ | darienm..you mean tkcAddressBook uses addressbook.xml |
| 20:46:07 | ljp- | angry: yes, just take your Z, climb a tree, and look at the xml files on it |
| 20:46:07 | cranch_ | tkcCalendar uses datebook.xml |
| 20:46:16 | nadav | haha |
| 20:46:20 | cranch_ | nice ljp |
| 20:46:29 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:46:37 | BigBoss | what about tkcAddressBook and tkcCalendar? |
| 20:46:50 | ljp- | they exploded some guys Z |
| 20:46:59 | cranch_ | I can't get tkcCalendar to install on OpenZ |
| 20:47:12 | cranch_ | says something about a file already installed by tkcTheCompany or whatever the main app is... |
| 20:47:14 | ljp- | hmm any errors? |
| 20:47:15 | BigBoss | then it's a bug in OpenZ |
| 20:47:23 | BigBoss | or you are doing something wrong |
| 20:47:25 | cranch_ | BigBoss..calm yoself... |
| 20:47:29 | cranch_ | I am doing something wrong :) |
| 20:47:39 | BigBoss | I'm not excited - just typing as fast as I can :) |
| 20:47:39 | cranch_ | any new apps coming out anytime soon Boss? |
| 20:47:42 | BigBoss | new apps: yes |
| 20:47:47 | cranch_ | what and when? |
| 20:47:49 | BigBoss | tkcVideo, tkcRace and tkcMemo this week |
| 20:47:53 | BigBoss | tkcToDo next week |
| 20:47:56 | JasonNJ | tkcrace? |
| 20:47:57 | cranch_ | Video... |
| 20:47:58 | kergoth_ | BigBoss: actually thats likely incorrect. openzaurus uses ipkg/C .. the C version of ipkg is more strict regarding certain things. |
| 20:48:02 | cranch_ | mpeg2 player? |
| 20:48:11 | BigBoss | mpeg1/mpeg2/mpeg4/divx/avi atc |
| 20:48:14 | angry | tkcVideo plays divx baby! |
| 20:48:16 | cranch_ | WOOOHOOOO |
| 20:48:21 | BigBoss | $14.95 |
| 20:48:22 | cranch_ | and an encoder Boss? |
| 20:48:27 | BigBoss | for a limted time |
| 20:48:29 | BigBoss | player |
| 20:48:44 | BigBoss | jason:tkcRace is a classic car race game |
| 20:48:51 | cranch_ | yeah...when is the encoder coming out..or are you not making one yet |
| 20:49:01 | darienm | cranch_: No, I mean tkcAddressbook uses datebook.xml |
| 20:49:06 | ljp- | wonders why anyone would try to watch a divx movie on a z |
| 20:49:12 | angry | BigBoss: howzabout having a video rotate feature? |
| 20:49:21 | angry | BigBoss: so we dont have to edit widescreen videos ourselves? |
| 20:49:23 | kergoth_ | ljp-: to show off to friends of course |
| 20:49:30 | ljp- | ahhh |
| 20:49:33 | darienm | cranch_: shit |
| 20:49:44 | cranch_ | wins the datebook.xml argument |
| 20:49:53 | BigBoss | angry: not following you |
| 20:50:04 | darienm | did I confuse DATEbook for ADDRESSbook ? |
| 20:50:10 | cranch_ | yup |
| 20:50:10 | darienm | I hate that. |
| 20:50:12 | cranch_ | haha |
| 20:50:14 | cranch_ | its alright |
| 20:50:33 | kergoth_ | i'm so hungry |
| 20:50:36 | BigBoss | eat then |
| 20:50:36 | kergoth_ | i need to stop skipping lunches |
| 20:50:45 | angry | BigBoss: the screen is longer up to down, widescreen video is longer side to side; to get the best use of the Z's screen with most video we'd have to have the video rotated 80 degrees |
| 20:50:49 | prpplague | ljp-: i'd like to watch them on plane, and one of the applications i'm working on is for doctors to watch videos of sonigrams and ct scans |
| 20:50:59 | jmhodges | so.. |
| 20:51:03 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 20:51:07 | BigBoss | angry: we play all the videos rotate |
| 20:51:11 | BigBoss | d |
| 20:51:15 | jmhodges | im never going to get usbdnet back working |
| 20:51:23 | ljp- | ahh prpplague: that would be a handy thing for them I suppose |
| 20:51:49 | cranch_ | angry.... |
| 20:51:54 | cranch_ | why not 90 degrees... |
| 20:51:55 | cranch_ | you lost me |
| 20:52:05 | nadav | i'm pretty sure he meant 90 |
| 20:52:06 | cranch_ | wouldn't the picture be half cocked? |
| 20:52:07 | cranch_ | haha |
| 20:52:15 | cranch_ | angry may need to get his eyes leveld |
| 20:52:27 | BigBoss | we rotate everying 49.2 degrees |
| 20:52:33 | BigBoss | it is the most efficient way to do it |
| 20:52:39 | angry | lol, i meant 90 sorry |
| 20:52:41 | cranch_ | haha |
| 20:52:57 | angry | 49.2? |
| 20:53:01 | nadav | ?! |
| 20:54:10 | BigBoss | it's a joke son :) |
| 20:54:26 | nadav | PHEW> |
| 20:54:32 | angry | hehe :) |
| 20:54:37 | nadav | scared me ;) |
| 20:54:41 | ljp- | 49.2 eh? that must be metric degrees |
| 20:54:50 | angry | i thought the screen was messed up or something :) |
| 20:54:57 | warmi | metric degrees ? |
| 20:55:00 | cranchau | ljp: polar measurements |
| 20:55:01 | warmi | huh |
| 20:55:07 | angry | g2 finish watching cowboy beebop movie |
| 20:55:11 | angry | be back in a while |
| 20:55:12 | BigBoss | warmi: yea, it's like the metric alphabet and metric week |
| 20:55:17 | Oriumpor | BigBoss: you should render everything in SDL and cause the display to constantly rotate |
| 20:55:23 | cranchau | haha |
| 20:55:23 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:55:25 | darienm | or internet time |
| 20:55:46 | | i don't know, darienm |
| 20:55:46 | darienm | ibot what time is it |
| 20:55:55 | | oriumpor: i don't know |
| 20:55:55 | Oriumpor | ibot do you have a watch? |
| 20:55:55 | darienm | must not be important. |
| 20:55:55 | | time is relative |
| 20:55:55 | warmi | ibot time |
| 20:56:08 | cranchau | tell him the damn time ibot |
| 20:56:11 | warmi | so, ibot, you do know something |
| 20:56:13 | cranchau | haha |
| 20:56:27 | BigBoss | ibot zulutime |
| 20:56:27 | | BigBoss: 292056Z |
| 20:56:37 | | Generic Mapping Tools. URL: http://imina.soest.hawaii.edu/gmt/ |
| 20:56:37 | Oriumpor | ibot gmt |
| 20:56:41 | Oriumpor | ... |
| 20:56:42 | | sig was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 25 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: W|GG-Libranet: you around? [Mon Jul 29 20:31:21 2002] |
| 20:56:42 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen sig |
| 20:56:43 | Oriumpor | that's it |
| 20:56:50 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 20:56:54 | | cranchau: what? |
| 20:56:54 | cranchau | ibot: CST |
| 20:56:56 | Oriumpor | I give up |
| 20:56:58 | cranchau | haha |
| 20:57:08 | | cranchau: huh? |
| 20:57:08 | cranchau | ibot: local time |
| 20:57:12 | cranchau | damn you |
| 20:57:17 | warmi | see you later |
| 20:57:29 | cranchau | my gentoo box is 13 minutes fast.... |
| 20:57:36 | cranchau | my laptop is about 25 slow |
| 20:58:07 | ljp- | wow,.. thats like time travel, man |
| 20:58:22 | cranchau | yeah...I go upstairs...its earlier than it was downstairs |
| 20:59:14 | cranch_ | see..now its 4:54 |
| 20:59:18 | cranch_ | it was 5:17 downstairs |
| 20:59:24 | BigBoss | it's 3:04 here |
| 20:59:36 | nadav | it's 00:04 here |
| 21:00:11 | George- | it's 67:34 here |
| 21:00:37 | cranch_ | its 333321.23126 here |
| 21:00:38 | cranch_ | so :P |
| 21:00:41 | nadav | ebays around |
| 21:00:47 | George- | it's 192.168.129.201, here |
| 21:04:55 | cranch_ | is wondering how to receive mail with the opie-mail2 package |
| 21:06:00 | acf | oh wow |
| 21:06:07 | acf | there are people here, this is great |
| 21:06:10 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 21:06:51 | acf | can ipkgs have post-install scripts? |
| 21:07:05 | kergoth_ | yes |
| 21:07:11 | acf | excellent. is that documented anywhere? |
| 21:07:15 | kergoth_ | and preinst, and prerm and postrm |
| 21:07:16 | acf | my googling is coming up short |
| 21:07:17 | | hmmm... ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 21:07:17 | kergoth_ | ibot: ipkg? |
| 21:07:31 | kergoth_ | acf: first link ibot just referenced. |
| 21:07:35 | acf | okay, thanks |
| 21:07:38 | acf | one more quick question, i hope |
| 21:07:51 | acf | one of our guys is writing his app, and he can't tell when the on-screen keyboard has been popped up |
| 21:08:03 | acf | he said that's usually done with a COMPONENT_RESIZE event in java? |
| 21:08:09 | acf | but that it didn't work on the zaurus |
| 21:08:11 | acf | any ideas there? |
| 21:09:15 | ljp- | acf: I dont think there's anyway an app can tell if the input method is opened |
| 21:09:32 | acf | ljp: don't all the pre-installed apps do it, though? |
| 21:09:37 | ljp- | unless the app gets a resize signal or something |
| 21:09:40 | acf | there should be some way. it is hurting our app. |
| 21:09:41 | andrius | howdy:) |
| 21:09:42 | acf | yeah, that's what i mean |
| 21:09:48 | acf | and it should be done through the evm |
| 21:09:54 | acf | hey andrius. dclug? |
| 21:10:06 | andrius | lol |
| 21:10:11 | andrius | acf: same one |
| 21:10:14 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 21:10:14 | cranch_ | ibot: zsi |
| 21:10:16 | acf | ah, neat |
| 21:10:27 | andrius | acf: and you are? |
| 21:10:30 | acf | it's been a long time since i've been there, but i've had my eye on the lists for awhile |
| 21:10:44 | acf | andrius: /whois :) |
| 21:10:58 | andrius | acf: ah....I usually hang out with the NOVALUG people..... |
| 21:11:04 | andrius | but, that's okay:) |
| 21:11:06 | acf | yeah, i did too, back in my day |
| 21:11:15 | andrius | heh |
| 21:11:25 | acf | i live in arlington |
| 21:11:30 | | feed is probably a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 21:11:30 | cranch_ | ibot: feed |
| 21:11:32 | ardiri | sorry to hear :) |
| 21:11:44 | acf | no ideas on app resizing, though? |
| 21:11:46 | acf | or even where to ask? |
| 21:11:53 | acf | i tried the developer2developer forum on sharp's site |
| 21:11:57 | acf | the sourceforge list looks almost dead |
| 21:12:05 | acf | though i did just subscribe, just in case |
| 21:12:07 | andrius | I live in Jefferson...between Merrifield and Falls Church, but I work at Arlington Hospital |
| 21:12:15 | acf | oh. i am right by george mason and lee highway |
| 21:12:19 | andrius | :) |
| 21:12:36 | acf | extremely close to arlington hospital :) |
| 21:12:55 | andrius | yup |
| 21:13:17 | andrius | though, I haven't been to a LUG meeting yet, actually |
| 21:13:19 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 15 hours, 11 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: indeed [Mon Jul 29 07:01:58 2002] |
| 21:13:19 | cranch_ | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 21:13:26 | andrius | usually get recognized by the lists |
| 21:13:43 | acf | i gave a talk at dclug about 2 or 3 years ago. i think it was the last time i went. |
| 21:14:13 | cranch_ | when I tryi to install tkcCalendar, I get an error saying a file is already provided by tkcThekompany |
| 21:14:19 | cranch_ | any idea |
| 21:14:19 | andrius | acf: about what? |
| 21:14:22 | acf | gnome |
| 21:14:22 | sig | w |
| 21:14:29 | andrius | cool |
| 21:14:31 | sig | W|GG-Libranet: yo |
| 21:14:34 | acf | it was relatively new at the time :) |
| 21:14:43 | ljp- | cranch: try -force-depends or -force-reinstall maybe |
| 21:14:47 | andrius | :) |
| 21:14:53 | ljp- | or move those files out of the way |
| 21:14:55 | | W|GGL|T was last seen on #zaurus 18 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: damn [Mon Jul 29 21:56:50 2002] |
| 21:14:55 | sig | ibot: seen W|GGL|T |
| 21:14:57 | andrius | gnome was my first windowmanager |
| 21:15:23 | andrius | I've moved on to WM, then Blackbox, since then |
| 21:15:30 | sig | XFCE!! |
| 21:15:34 | cranch_ | same error ljp... |
| 21:15:41 | cranch_ | I check all three boxes and it still does it |
| 21:15:51 | cranch_ | if I remove TheKompany and install calendar...think it'd work then? |
| 21:16:11 | ljp- | no.. just move the files.. not the packages |
| 21:16:15 | [DrEvil] | the files that are in conflict aren't relavant |
| 21:16:16 | andrius | just bought a zaurus....they're cool |
| 21:16:18 | [DrEvil] | relevant |
| 21:16:28 | [DrEvil] | I just deleted them |
| 21:16:29 | acf | was that thing about zauruses being $280 at best buy really true? |
| 21:16:45 | ljp- | it was $313 |
| 21:16:50 | acf | wow |
| 21:16:53 | andrius | acf: Yup, but only if you get the display model |
| 21:16:57 | acf | oh |
| 21:17:05 | andrius | they're trying to sell all of them off |
| 21:17:13 | andrius | I got mine for like 290 |
| 21:17:41 | andrius | Plus I got a D-Link flash wireless card for 80 buck, cuz it was open |
| 21:17:42 | nadav | heh |
| 21:17:49 | andrius | only thing I was missing was a stylus |
| 21:18:02 | [DrEvil] | those D-Link cards are fugly on the Z |
| 21:18:21 | andrius | Yeah, but you can't beat 80 bucks |
| 21:19:15 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/community/gangstajedi.swf |
| 21:19:17 | cranch_ | you can if you can't get the stylus in and out |
| 21:19:48 | andrius | lol |
| 21:20:02 | acf | they're $60 at buy.com, i think |
| 21:20:10 | prpplague | argh, the entire country of honduras has dropped off the net |
| 21:20:23 | andrius | lol |
| 21:20:28 | nadav | haha |
| 21:21:21 | [DrEvil] | what's in honduras? |
| 21:21:31 | sig | opera does a good job on displaying flash movies |
| 21:21:43 | sig | oh why'd you cut off my hand.... LMAO |
| 21:22:14 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: a bunch of our customers |
| 21:22:32 | [DrEvil] | I see |
| 21:23:46 | sig | is there skins for "gaim"? |
| 21:24:00 | darienm | sig that was horrible |
| 21:24:03 | W|GGL|T | sig! |
| 21:24:08 | sig | darienm: the flash? lol |
| 21:24:19 | sig | W|GGL|T: you get libranet 2.0 fixed? |
| 21:24:28 | sig | what was the problem? |
| 21:24:35 | W|GGL|T | no...i threw it in the fuckin trashcan |
| 21:24:40 | sig | heh |
| 21:24:42 | sig | that sucks |
| 21:24:46 | W|GGL|T | reinstalled 1.9.1 |
| 21:25:04 | andrius | gaim? is gaim on the zaurus? |
| 21:25:12 | sig | andrius: no |
| 21:25:12 | W|GGL|T | i even tried installing 1.9.1 and using apt-get to upgrade to 2.0 |
| 21:25:14 | W|GGL|T | didn't work |
| 21:25:18 | cranch_ | wants skins for Gaim too |
| 21:25:24 | sig | W|GGL|T: didn't work? |
| 21:25:29 | cranch_ | also needs an IMAP email client for OpenZ |
| 21:25:31 | andrius | damn |
| 21:25:36 | W|GGL|T | no |
| 21:25:45 | andrius | guys, there are skins for gaim |
| 21:25:47 | W|GGL|T | 1.9.1 is fine tho, i guess |
| 21:25:55 | W|GGL|T | not that i know of |
| 21:25:56 | andrius | I've seen them |
| 21:26:02 | W|GGL|T | i havent |
| 21:26:10 | sig | did you change the shit in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:26:20 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 21:26:23 | sig | andrius: find me the link dude |
| 21:26:30 | sig | I want to change this damn skin |
| 21:26:36 | W|GGL|T | i HAD to...otherwise apt-get would throw errors |
| 21:26:39 | sig | W|GGL|T: I added a few pictures to my site |
| 21:26:47 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/pictures |
| 21:27:38 | ChipX86|Gone | there are not skins for gaim. There are gtk+ themes |
| 21:27:39 | W|GGL|T | damn...could not be found |
| 21:27:44 | W|GGL|T | you live in honduras? :oP |
| 21:27:48 | sig | lol |
| 21:27:52 | andrius | ah |
| 21:27:53 | ChipX86 | there won't be skins until the gaim core and UI are separated |
| 21:27:53 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/ |
| 21:27:54 | andrius | duh |
| 21:28:05 | sig | ChipX86: that sucks |
| 21:28:07 | sig | oh well |
| 21:28:13 | W|GGL|T | got it |
| 21:28:17 | sig | I'll tinker with the bg settings |
| 21:28:26 | ChipX86 | we're not sure when we'll separate hte core and UI, but when we do, I plan on writing a UI for qtopia |
| 21:28:40 | sig | ChipX86: sweet |
| 21:28:41 | andrius | That's gonna be a big job |
| 21:28:57 | treke|work | sweet. kinkatta is uhm, eh |
| 21:29:14 | ChipX86 | andrius: yeah, it'll be huge |
| 21:29:17 | ChipX86 | and won't happen any time soon |
| 21:29:42 | cranchau | likes kmerlin |
| 21:29:43 | ChipX86 | well, it's slowly happening, like LSchiere's new Person model for the buddy list. It's including a buddy list core/ui abstraction |
| 21:29:50 | cranchau | but it needs to spearate by online/offline buddies |
| 21:30:09 | W|GGL|T | dude...i like that cobra pic alot! minus the dude in front of it |
| 21:30:10 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 21:30:14 | ChipX86 | well gaim will be removing the offline buddies list soon |
| 21:30:16 | sig | haha |
| 21:30:19 | sig | thats me dude |
| 21:30:20 | sig | lol |
| 21:30:23 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 21:30:31 | sig | I have a bunch without me in it |
| 21:30:34 | ChipX86 | offline buddies in the list will be shown if a button is toggled on |
| 21:30:48 | ChipX86 | so editting and stuff will happen in the main list |
| 21:31:01 | W|GGL|T | nice pics |
| 21:31:23 | sig | the ones that said scott <-- thats one of my brothers |
| 21:31:30 | sig | kind of a geeky lookin dude |
| 21:31:31 | sig | lol |
| 21:31:33 | W|GGL|T | i need to add more pics to my pages...got a shoebox full |
| 21:31:35 | W|GGL|T | lol sig |
| 21:31:49 | W|GGL|T | damn! huge fish! |
| 21:31:50 | sig | scanning takes forever.... :( |
| 21:32:08 | W|GGL|T | yeah, that's why i don't have many pics yet :o) |
| 21:32:13 | sig | heh |
| 21:32:17 | W|GGL|T | plus, i have to do it in XP |
| 21:32:22 | sig | I have lots, just not lots of time to scan |
| 21:32:26 | W|GGL|T | and usually use photoshop |
| 21:32:28 | cranch_ | sig...take it you are a marine? |
| 21:32:29 | sig | heh, no you don't |
| 21:32:36 | sig | cranch_: yeah |
| 21:32:42 | W|GGL|T | im more familiar with photoshop than gimp |
| 21:32:45 | sig | I don't own win32 and I scan |
| 21:32:48 | sig | :) |
| 21:32:48 | cranch_ | fly Cobras? |
| 21:32:52 | darienm | nah, sig lives close the a costume shop and they let him dress up when he's not fishing. |
| 21:32:53 | sig | no |
| 21:33:00 | W|GGL|T | ahh...you've a scanner that works in linux then |
| 21:33:01 | darienm | s/the/to/ |
| 21:33:05 | cranch_ | ;) |
| 21:33:08 | sig | hahahahaha |
| 21:33:21 | W|GGL|T | ive a canon scanner...won't work in linux at ALL, even if its USB |
| 21:33:31 | sig | W|GGL|T: have you checked? |
| 21:33:33 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 21:33:37 | sig | hrrmm |
| 21:33:39 | sig | that sucks |
| 21:33:45 | sig | my HP scanner works sweet |
| 21:33:46 | W|GGL|T | canon won't release the driver source |
| 21:33:51 | sig | all my shit works in linux |
| 21:33:55 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 21:34:00 | W|GGL|T | i love that scanner tho |
| 21:34:01 | Neo|Work | just thought of something funny. |
| 21:34:18 | sig | whats that Neo|Work |
| 21:34:24 | darienm | neo, quick, keep that thought. Might be the only one you have today! |
| 21:34:26 | sig | waits for something funny |
| 21:34:29 | W|GGL|T | sig: did you get a quickcam yet? |
| 21:34:32 | Neo|Work | should make RocketElite blink the leds for network traffic |
| 21:34:35 | Neo|Work | one for send, one for receive. :) |
| 21:34:42 | Neo|Work | that'd be unnecessarily cool |
| 21:34:49 | sig | W|GGL|T: not yet, I'll stop and get one of those logitech 19.99 cams tonight if i have time. |
| 21:34:58 | sig | we'll do that gnomemeeting |
| 21:35:10 | W|GGL|T | ok |
| 21:35:20 | sig | I'm curious to see how well it works |
| 21:35:30 | W|GGL|T | i need to track down the color quickcam driver |
| 21:35:54 | sig | W|GGL|T: check this chick out on gnomemeeting....http://www.gnomemeeting.org/screenshots/latest/GnomeMeeting_In_A_Call_With_Control_Panel.png |
| 21:36:04 | W|GGL|T | hell, i need to do alot of stuff with my linux boxes...just haven't had time. |
| 21:36:05 | sig | knows everyone in this channel is going to check her out |
| 21:36:06 | sig | lol |
| 21:36:17 | darienm | where's a good source of webcam drivers for linux? |
| 21:36:31 | W|GGL|T | sig: yeah, i recently read a pretty good article on gnomemeeting in LinuxFORMAT |
| 21:36:41 | sig | darienm: read http://www.gnomemeeting.org/screenshots.php <-- it gives some good info |
| 21:36:56 | W|GGL|T | that's pretty cool |
| 21:37:01 | sig | W|GGL|T: its cool cause it works with netmeeting |
| 21:37:09 | W|GGL|T | that chick is hot |
| 21:37:10 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 21:37:10 | darienm | wait, its compatible? |
| 21:37:15 | sig | yeah |
| 21:37:19 | darienm | wowzorz |
| 21:37:28 | sig | one sec |
| 21:37:32 | W|GGL|T | wonder if i can get a clear pic like that one |
| 21:37:41 | sig | definately |
| 21:37:47 | W|GGL|T | haven't tried it much since i got broadband |
| 21:37:52 | sig | 2.2. Does it work with Netmeeting? |
| 21:37:56 | sig | 2.2. Does it work with Netmeeting? |
| 21:37:56 | sig | Yes, GnomeMeeting is compliant with all H.323 products, software and hardware. |
| 21:38:22 | sig | http://www.gnomemeeting.org/faq.php |
| 21:38:32 | W|GGL|T | brb....gotta check the kids |
| 21:38:40 | sig | k |
| 21:40:47 | sig | I got a test to go to at 5, hopefully i can stop by and grab a logitech webcam at compUSA or bestbuy after that |
| 21:42:56 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 21:44:27 | sig | ok, i gotta go.... bbl |
| 21:45:04 | nadav | cya sig |
| 21:47:27 | Cloudchaser | hey W|GGL|T: how'd you make out with wireless synch?? |
| 21:47:47 | prpplague | wahoo honduras is back up |
| 21:48:19 | Neo|Work | has the knowledge now to hopefully get the essential application "gfurby" ported to the Zaurus |
| 21:48:30 | Neo|Work | FURBY MIND CONTROL!!! |
| 21:48:50 | Cloudchaser | whats that neo? |
| 21:49:15 | Neo|Work | www.furby.com |
| 21:49:16 | prpplague | my favorite furby has is the furby printer server, the lpt connector is in butt of furby |
| 21:49:54 | Cloudchaser | oh that furby.. the little critter thingy |
| 21:50:27 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 21:50:30 | Cloudchaser | that site locked up my browser though |
| 21:50:32 | Neo|Work | thius is an app that controls it |
| 21:50:35 | Neo|Work | i.e make it dance, sleep etc |
| 21:50:39 | nadav | lol |
| 21:50:42 | nadav | can you make it.. die? |
| 21:50:47 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 21:51:03 | nadav | those things are annoying ;) |
| 21:51:05 | Neo|Work | nope. :P |
| 21:51:16 | nadav | but.. it'd be a useful thing to have it ported to the Z |
| 21:51:20 | nadav | for the people who use it ;) |
| 21:51:44 | Neo|Work | when I thought of it I realized I HAD to port it |
| 21:51:51 | prpplague | well, i'm headed home for a night of matchbox, xfree86, and frontlight, oh my |
| 21:51:57 | prpplague | bbl |
| 21:51:59 | nadav | "Remember in life, you are always logged in as root. |
| 21:52:01 | nadav | " |
| 21:52:01 | nadav | ah. |
| 21:52:03 | nadav | wonderful quote |
| 21:52:20 | nadav | realizes he IS going to learn C |
| 21:52:31 | nadav | is not going to be lazy |
| 21:52:41 | Cloudchaser | so neo.. what new games do you have this week? |
| 21:56:27 | Neo|Work | RocketElite |
| 21:56:37 | Neo|Work | possibly Interstellar Flames too |
| 21:56:40 | Neo|Work | if I get the source |
| 21:57:44 | Cloudchaser | hear anything back from the rpg guy? |
| 21:59:33 | Neo|Work | yeah, will do it but no ETA there |
| 21:59:45 | Neo|Work | will do a PalmOS port which is by all guesses harder |
| 22:00:09 | treke|work | why not the ppc port? |
| 22:00:52 | Cloudchaser | oki :) |
| 22:01:44 | kergoth_ | woah |
| 22:01:45 | kergoth_ | ljp: ping |
| 22:01:47 | angry | rpg guy? |
| 22:03:15 | Neo|Work | treke|work: ownership of code issue. it was a port made by someone like me |
| 22:03:15 | Cloudchaser | he emailed some guys about games to port to z |
| 22:03:22 | treke|work | ah. that sucks |
| 22:04:04 | angry | java games? >:-) |
| 22:04:18 | treke|work | java games? who wants java games :) |
| 22:04:27 | angry | raises his hand |
| 22:04:29 | angry | hehe |
| 22:04:32 | angry | i like simple java games |
| 22:04:35 | angry | those are fun |
| 22:04:36 | treke|work | lowers angry's hand |
| 22:04:38 | angry | and prob. easy to port |
| 22:04:39 | treke|work | forcefully |
| 22:04:42 | angry | hehe |
| 22:05:30 | sumeet_p | hi all |
| 22:06:21 | sumeet_p | I got the Linksys WCF12 to work on my Z |
| 22:06:30 | sumeet_p | but it's weird thing |
| 22:06:38 | treke|work | glad to see someone is having good luck with wireless :) |
| 22:06:59 | sumeet_p | it used to get connected, get IP address, the DHCP server gets it's MAC address, life is good |
| 22:07:05 | kergoth_ | anyone have a raw pcm wave file handy?\ |
| 22:07:08 | Neo|Work | angry: even "hard" ports from PocketPC takes like a few days to a week (of evenings) |
| 22:07:10 | sumeet_p | and then it would simply drop connection |
| 22:07:11 | kergoth_ | preferably small? |
| 22:07:58 | Cloudchaser | i've had good luck with wireless treke |
| 22:08:11 | sumeet_p | so I discovered (after much grief) that if I put pressure on the right edge of the card, the connection stays up! |
| 22:08:36 | sumeet_p | so I stuck in a piece of cardboard and it's on the network! |
| 22:09:24 | sumeet_p | Cloudchaser: what network card are you using? |
| 22:09:44 | angry | Neo|Work: basically i just want SFCave for the Z ;) |
| 22:09:52 | angry | food later |
| 22:10:04 | scanline | Neo|Work: sdlroids works on picogui :) |
| 22:11:05 | Cloudchaser | sumeet_p: i use a dlink |
| 22:11:32 | sumeet_p | DCWxx, I presume |
| 22:12:22 | Cloudchaser | 650 |
| 22:13:16 | sumeet_p | the socket bluetooth works ok - i.e. it responds to 'hcitool inq', but no more, not even 'l2ping' |
| 22:15:34 | Cloudchaser | no idea what you just said ;) |
| 22:16:59 | Neo|Work | scanline: cool. :) |
| 22:17:08 | Neo|Work | scanline: port or using SDL? |
| 22:17:41 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: btw, tool the PPC guy 5 months to get the DB2 port finished |
| 22:18:27 | scanline | Neo|Work: I ported SDL to picogui |
| 22:18:33 | Neo|Work | cool |
| 22:20:52 | Neo|Work | + |
| 22:21:06 | kergoth_ | ljp: ping |
| 22:21:29 | Cloudchaser | 5 months? |
| 22:21:34 | Neo|Work | yeps |
| 22:21:47 | Neo|Work | which to me seems... like a long time |
| 22:21:59 | Neo|Work | even if you work like I do (i.e evenings) |
| 22:22:23 | kergoth_ | ibot: message for ljp: the SSP audio driver included with 2.5.x for the LART actually makes sound come out of the Z buzzer, out of the box!.. it doesnt appear to sound like anything other than a click though, so I think we need to alter the driver to handle the specific DAC being used on the Z.. but anyway its progress. |
| 22:22:40 | kergoth`gone | goin home |
| 22:22:41 | kergoth`gone | ttyl people |
| 22:22:42 | Neo|Work | on a related note, I'm soon ready to release eon config and new game versions which supports it. :) |
| 22:22:48 | scanline | bye kergoth |
| 22:26:15 | tux_mike | wow. things look up today in the market |
| 22:29:12 | Cloudchaser | hey W|GG-Laptop: did you get wireless synch working? |
| 22:29:39 | W|GG-Laptop | not yet...it was late and gave up the attempt...will try again a bit later |
| 22:30:40 | W|GG-Laptop | when i restored that backup last night, i found that i hadn't backed up zic, wlanmon, and kismet...gotta do that again |
| 22:30:47 | Cloudchaser | eww |
| 22:31:25 | W|GG-Laptop | yeah...my whole life got turned upside down when i had to reinstall linux |
| 22:31:49 | W|GG-Laptop | i gotta do this and that...before i do this and that, before i do this... |
| 22:31:56 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 22:32:16 | W|GG-Laptop | i REALLY hate that, but i haven't mastered backing up linux yet |
| 22:32:40 | W|GG-Laptop | with XP, its as easy as using Drive Image to backup a partition |
| 22:32:40 | sumeet_p | blew up his zaurus data |
| 22:33:21 | oGMo | W|GG-Laptop: just man tar and use all the likely-seeming options ;) |
| 22:33:45 | sumeet_p | heh, I have been recommended rsync as well. |
| 22:33:52 | oGMo | rsync is good |
| 22:34:10 | sumeet_p | for my linux laptop, for Z I guess Qtopia Desktop is best |
| 22:34:32 | oGMo | sumeet_p: you could use rsync on the z too |
| 22:34:41 | sumeet_p | cool! |
| 22:34:55 | oGMo | i've just been using the backup/restore dealybob |
| 22:35:06 | sumeet_p | oh well, I mean I'm sure but I have to figure that out as well amongst a dozen other things |
| 22:35:11 | oGMo | i'm not really sure it works, but i feel safe ;) |
| 22:35:28 | sumeet_p | I have been eating memory capsules ;-) |
| 22:36:41 | oGMo | hehe |
| 22:37:01 | mark | has a dead powersupply :( |
| 22:37:32 | oGMo | i so love my zaurus |
| 22:37:38 | sumeet_p | mark: you mean ATX power supply |
| 22:37:49 | sumeet_p | oGMo same here |
| 22:37:50 | W|GG-Laptop | i'll play with rsyc a bit after i get these linux things situated |
| 22:38:12 | sumeet_p | W|GG-Laptop I switched to gentoo linux on my laptop, I feel much better |
| 22:38:14 | oGMo | i can't imagine a more perfect unit, unless it had maybe a bit longer battery, or a few minor details (like using the keyboard and serial port at once) changed |
| 22:38:30 | oGMo | well perfect for my needs |
| 22:38:30 | angry | I LOVE MY ZAURUS TOO |
| 22:38:43 | angry | except for the fact that "ClassMate" costs $20 |
| 22:38:46 | sumeet_p | oGMo I have my grievances - my SanDisk SD card isn't working, and 802.11b was a PAIN. |
| 22:38:46 | angry | those cakesuckers |
| 22:39:16 | angry | sumeet_p: you bought prob. the least supported cards for the Z :) |
| 22:39:21 | angry | sumeet_p: just unlucky |
| 22:39:26 | oGMo | sumeet_p: haven't tried either... they probably should have used smart media or sony memory sticks instead of SD |
| 22:39:37 | oGMo | i can't imagine 802.11b being hard though |
| 22:39:40 | sumeet_p | angry, I got the Linksys WCF12 |
| 22:40:02 | hunger | sumeet_p: Sandisk SD card works for me. |
| 22:40:20 | sumeet_p | hunger, which ROM version, I just upgraded to 1.37 |
| 22:40:38 | angry | sumeet_p: i know, i had found a really good deal on that card but heard many people had problems with it |
| 22:40:44 | hunger | sumeet_p: Both whatever was in my 5500D and OZ. |
| 22:40:45 | oGMo | what i WISH is that CF was cheaper |
| 22:40:47 | angry | sumeet_p: is it a 128 MB? |
| 22:40:55 | oGMo | and actually 2 CF ports would be cool, cept there's not really room |
| 22:41:08 | angry | oGMo: you should have been there the day i had found the sandisk 256MB CF for $60, it was a one day only type dealie |
| 22:41:20 | oGMo | angry: yeah i saw that |
| 22:41:32 | BigBoss | oGMo: you finish the ruby port to Qtopia yet? |
| 22:41:35 | angry | oGMo: you should go for one of those IBM microdrives :) |
| 22:41:36 | sumeet_p | angry: yes and I'm trying again and my Z is hung again |
| 22:41:55 | angry | sumeet_p: that sucks |
| 22:42:00 | oGMo | BigBoss: i haven't gotten motivated enough to look at it yet |
| 22:42:07 | oGMo | i'm sure ruby is just a simple cross compile jo |
| 22:42:09 | oGMo | "job" |
| 22:42:34 | sumeet_p | I think the 5500 h/w is still buggy |
| 22:42:54 | oGMo | but the qt stuff will probably require the QTE classes wrapped, and i've had 3 other projects i'm working on take precendence over a fancy for another scripting language :) |
| 22:42:57 | sumeet_p | I mean, SanDisk is a good brand |
| 22:43:47 | oGMo | BigBoss: actually, have you checked out that QtScript stuff yet? i wonder if that could be ported, it might be cool |
| 22:43:56 | BigBoss | it's just Javascript |
| 22:44:01 | BigBoss | or ECMAscript |
| 22:44:06 | BigBoss | whatever it's being called these days |
| 22:44:09 | oGMo | yeah |
| 22:44:15 | sumeet_p | yikes! the Z is hung for good!!! how do I reboot this? |
| 22:44:15 | BigBoss | originally LiveWire |
| 22:44:24 | BigBoss | open the battery compartment |
| 22:44:36 | sumeet_p | BigBoss: is that the only option left |
| 22:44:46 | oGMo | yeah... it's a fairly complete language though and with a gui designer... ;) |
| 22:44:51 | sumeet_p | that's like complete reset? |
| 22:45:12 | W|GG-Laptop | you did a backup, right? |
| 22:45:14 | W|GG-Laptop | hehe |
| 22:45:18 | sumeet_p | augh!!! |
| 22:45:52 | sumeet_p | I'll let the battery run out, and then we'll see what it does |
| 22:45:59 | oGMo | sumeet_p: just flip the battery compartment switch twice |
| 22:46:13 | sumeet_p | oGMo: what does that do? |
| 22:46:14 | Neo|Work | http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=154 |
| 22:46:21 | oGMo | sumeet_p: that does a reset, but not a total reset |
| 22:46:23 | W|GG-Laptop | resets |
| 22:46:29 | Neo|Work | BigBoss sues Hancom |
| 22:46:30 | oGMo | sumeet_p: i.e. it reboots it, but you keep your memory |
| 22:46:31 | ljp | boo! |
| 22:46:50 | W|GG-Laptop | Neo|Work: i saw that too |
| 22:46:50 | W|GG-Laptop | hehe |
| 22:46:55 | sumeet_p | ok thanks a lot oGMo! |
| 22:46:58 | W|GG-Laptop | on www.reactivelinux.com |
| 22:46:59 | oGMo | sumeet_p: np |
| 22:47:05 | BigBoss | Neo: that's been up for days |
| 22:47:55 | BigBoss | is it a surprise? |
| 22:48:03 | oGMo | BigBoss: i hope you kick their asses |
| 22:48:09 | sumeet_p | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:48:14 | prpplague | returns like a bad case of atheletes foot |
| 22:48:16 | oGMo | HEH... hancom by former eazel people... figures |
| 22:48:35 | BigBoss | oGMo: it's pretty clear cut, I have a 1 year employment contract, and bounced checks and missing checks |
| 22:48:41 | W|GG-Laptop | yeah i saw that a few days ago too, but didn't realize they were actually talking about BigBoss until VERY recently |
| 22:48:48 | BigBoss | and a bucket full of emails saying "tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow" |
| 22:48:50 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: I just saw it. surprise? Sure, I have no idea you worked for Hancom. :) |
| 22:49:12 | BigBoss | I approached them about joining our apps for a great multi-platform suite |
| 22:49:17 | BigBoss | about a year ago |
| 22:49:29 | BigBoss | they said yes, and also offered me the CEO of US operations job at the same time |
| 22:49:38 | | BigBoss is the president of TheKompany |
| 22:49:38 | W|GG-Laptop | ibot BigBoss |
| 22:49:54 | oGMo | BigBoss: hmm |
| 22:49:56 | scanline | is away: going to the bank |
| 22:49:57 | BigBoss | consequently they failed to pay, caused lots of other problems and then lied about being able to have their suite on anything other than linux |
| 22:50:05 | prpplague | cranch__: you get your z reloaded? |
| 22:50:05 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 22:50:20 | BigBoss | their contract with Haansoft, which owns the Word Processor product, does not allow them to sell on anything other than Linux |
| 22:50:25 | oGMo | BigBoss: have you talked to sharp about a contract? |
| 22:50:37 | W|GG-Laptop | grrr... im out of cigarettes |
| 22:50:39 | nadav | Hm. |
| 22:50:41 | BigBoss | however if you go by their booth at LWE you will see them show HancomPaint on a Mac |
| 22:50:51 | ljp | ahh legal stuff sux rox |
| 22:50:55 | prpplague | BigBoss: hancom based out of tawain or korea? |
| 22:50:57 | BigBoss | they are misleading everyone |
| 22:50:59 | BigBoss | korea |
| 22:51:17 | BigBoss | and no offense to any koreans who might be in here, but no damn way am I doing a partnership with a korean company again |
| 22:51:25 | prpplague | BigBoss: figures, i've had nothing but headaches with the korean companies |
| 22:51:33 | prpplague | BigBoss: same here |
| 22:51:39 | BigBoss | everyone I know says the same thing |
| 22:51:57 | BigBoss | I honestly think they look at foreigners as slightly less human than themselves |
| 22:51:57 | cranch__ | is trying to figure out why he can't login with his cranch nickname... |
| 22:52:10 | sumeet_p | if someone can stop the Korean ISPs from spamming the hell out of my e-mail ... |
| 22:52:11 | BigBoss | you wouldn't explain to your dog why you said you'd take it for a walk and then didn't |
| 22:52:23 | BigBoss | I'm getting a ton of chinese spam |
| 22:52:51 | sumeet_p | oh well, I get to reconfigure my zaurus - yay |
| 22:53:03 | nadav | reconfigure? |
| 22:53:06 | cranch__ | why is that? |
| 22:53:14 | BigBoss | god this new ogg vorbis ripper we wrote is awesome |
| 22:53:15 | prpplague | BigBoss: that was the only thing i got out of my korean dealings......korean spam |
| 22:53:15 | sumeet_p | is developing z exhaustion |
| 22:53:32 | nadav | what do you have to configure in the z? |
| 22:53:33 | BigBoss | quality level 3 sounds great and it's about 1mb per minute of music |
| 22:53:34 | sumeet_p | nadav - I insert an SD card and it bombed |
| 22:53:45 | ChipX86 | Ogg Vorbis is cool |
| 22:54:10 | sumeet_p | anyone know of a network player aka xmms for Z? |
| 22:54:14 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 22:54:14 | ChipX86 | I've got to purchase tkcPlayer soon so I can listen to my oggs on the Z |
| 22:54:16 | nadav | sumeet_p: bleh |
| 22:54:22 | BigBoss | we're going to make this a freebie a little later this week |
| 22:54:24 | BigBoss | tkcOggRipper |
| 22:54:34 | BigBoss | it's only on Linux at the moment, but we'll release Windows and Mac later |
| 22:54:50 | BigBoss | this is a really easy to use GUI for ripping CD's to ogg files |
| 22:54:54 | Cloudchaser | that's very cool |
| 22:54:57 | BigBoss | I couldn't find one, so we wrote one |
| 22:54:57 | ljp | sumeet_p: opieplayer plays shoutcast streams |
| 22:55:05 | sumeet_p | BigBoss: how do you like Java on Z? |
| 22:55:09 | sumeet_p | thanks! ljp |
| 22:55:09 | BigBoss | I don't |
| 22:55:10 | nadav | lol |
| 22:55:36 | sumeet_p | BigBoss, why? |
| 22:55:41 | cranch__ | sweet BigBoss (about the Ogg ripper) |
| 22:55:42 | ljp | you'll also need libopie |
| 22:55:52 | sumeet_p | unless I was allowed only one question ;-) |
| 22:56:20 | cranch__ | only one question to BigBoss per hour |
| 22:56:20 | cranch__ | sorry |
| 22:56:56 | sumeet_p | oh well, anyone can ask me as many questions one wishes to :-) |
| 22:57:19 | cranch__ | haha |
| 22:57:20 | cranch__ | I was kidding |
| 22:57:27 | sumeet_p | bluetooth, 802.11b, SD cards - none of it works!!! |
| 22:57:40 | cranch__ | none of it works on what sumeet? |
| 22:57:41 | ljp | ok, sumeet_p, whats the answer to life, the universe and everything? |
| 22:57:49 | toolafial | 42 |
| 22:57:50 | sumeet_p | 42 |
| 22:57:52 | nadav | lol |
| 22:57:53 | sumeet_p | 0x13 |
| 22:57:58 | ljp | ahhh |
| 22:58:05 | ljp | ok.. passed that test |
| 22:58:05 | mtm | BigBoss: you couldn't find a GUI for ripping CDs to oggs? |
| 22:58:09 | mtm | BigBoss: ever seen grip? |
| 22:58:11 | hunger | sumeet_p: My ethernet card did not work with the sharp roms either. Works like a charm with OZ. |
| 22:58:12 | sumeet_p | cranch__, none of it works on the Z |
| 22:58:17 | nadav | yeah, i was about to say grip |
| 22:58:20 | Cloudchaser | i use grip but i don't like it |
| 22:58:31 | Cloudchaser | good for somoene who knows all the answers |
| 22:58:54 | cranch__ | isn't kissing arse, but likes BigBoss's products |
| 22:58:58 | sumeet_p | I think the current paradigm for GUIs is a bit skewed, since we all only know about desktop based apps |
| 22:59:05 | nadav | answers? |
| 22:59:06 | mark | sumeet_p: heh, atx indeed |
| 22:59:29 | BigBoss | mtm: does grip run on linux/windows and mac? |
| 22:59:45 | mtm | BigBoss: ahhh, clarification :) |
| 23:00:03 | cranch__ | needs to install Gentoo on a SparcCenter 2000E |
| 23:00:21 | sumeet_p | gentoo rocks!!! |
| 23:00:25 | BigBoss | I'm told by my engineers that the Java on the Z ain't so hot |
| 23:00:30 | BigBoss | I don't have time to code it myself |
| 23:00:36 | mark | BigBoss: racing app yet? |
| 23:01:19 | sumeet_p | BigBoss, I could use more elaboration, but Qt definitely offers better hardware integration and graphics manipulation |
| 23:01:27 | ljp | BB: grip wil lrun on linux/windows/mac with vmware |
| 23:01:37 | nadav | vmware runs on mac? |
| 23:01:45 | ljp | how should I know |
| 23:01:52 | sumeet_p | ljp: better yet, use the gtk port of libraries for both platforms |
| 23:02:02 | nadav | haha |
| 23:02:04 | toolafial | I don't think that vmware is an acceptable solution |
| 23:02:06 | JasonNJ-home | oh brother |
| 23:02:08 | mark | wants to run vmware on his Z |
| 23:02:09 | nadav | ljp: well, virtual pc is the vmware for mac ;) |
| 23:02:14 | nadav | doesn't |
| 23:02:24 | JasonNJ-home | Mitchy just asked me why the guy on the list is suggesting we commit suicide |
| 23:02:27 | JasonNJ-home | lol |
| 23:02:30 | JasonNJ-home | I need a drink |
| 23:02:35 | nadav | lol |
| 23:02:37 | mark | nadav: can you run vmware within virtual pc? :) |
| 23:02:49 | toolafial | sugar make me a screw driver |
| 23:02:54 | ljp | JasonNJ: tell mitchy that guys needs a labotomy |
| 23:03:02 | nadav | mark: haha. probably could |
| 23:03:09 | nadav | but the performance of VPC is bad enough as it is |
| 23:03:20 | nadav | from stories, i've never tried it |
| 23:03:26 | nadav | i know george run VPC on his powerbook |
| 23:03:33 | cranch__ | how much do you actually code BigBoss? |
| 23:03:46 | cranch__ | I'd assume you are doing alot of management..? |
| 23:03:59 | W|GGL|T | wow...i suspended the laptop and its still active, IRC-wise |
| 23:04:02 | BigBoss | cranch__: I've been coding for 23 years |
| 23:04:08 | W|GGL|T | even though its suspended |
| 23:04:11 | BigBoss | but I almost never have time to do it anymore |
| 23:04:12 | cranch__ | I mean now Boss... for tkc... |
| 23:04:19 | cranch__ | wouldn't doubt it |
| 23:04:28 | BigBoss | I do virtually nothing outside of writing test programs to try out our products |
| 23:04:36 | cranch__ | hehe |
| 23:04:39 | cranch__ | Debug is your friend |
| 23:04:53 | cranch__ | you have any project managers working for you, or do you do that all yourself? |
| 23:05:07 | sumeet_p | oh well, thanks all, I'll rejoin soon, I've got a couple of warranty claims to fill out |
| 23:05:30 | BigBoss | I have all programmers, an accountant and me |
| 23:05:38 | BigBoss | oh, and a couple artist/webmasters |
| 23:05:43 | cranch | cool :) |
| 23:06:38 | ljp | and a kid or two |
| 23:06:54 | BigBoss | two :) |
| 23:07:21 | cranch | needs a job after graduating...I'm a management info. systems major...care to hire me? |
| 23:07:23 | cranch | haha |
| 23:08:00 | ljp | cranch: it looks like Hancom usa needs a ceo |
| 23:08:18 | BigBoss | cranch is a funny guy :) |
| 23:08:27 | nadav | lol |
| 23:08:35 | BigBoss | they abandoned the us market |
| 23:09:11 | JasonNJ-home | cranch can have my job |
| 23:09:18 | cranch | haha |
| 23:09:25 | cranch | what do you do Jason |
| 23:09:32 | cranch | is getting scared of not finding a job |
| 23:09:35 | JasonNJ-home | I am da man. |
| 23:09:42 | angry | BigBoss - is TK your main job? |
| 23:09:43 | nadav | nobody knows what jason does ;) |
| 23:09:44 | cranch | oh sweet..I can do that |
| 23:09:51 | cranch | its his company angry |
| 23:10:03 | angry | cranch: i know |
| 23:10:11 | cranch | just checking ;) |
| 23:10:15 | angry | :) |
| 23:10:52 | cranch | is going to refer to himself in the third person from now on |
| 23:10:59 | cranch | haha j/k |
| 23:11:08 | BigBoss | angry: it is my only job :) |
| 23:11:08 | cranch | anyone want an old SparcCenter 2000E? |
| 23:11:14 | nadav | like that seinfeld episode |
| 23:11:18 | nadav | cranch: sure, why not? |
| 23:11:21 | BigBoss | sure - send it over |
| 23:11:29 | cranch | you pay shipping :) |
| 23:11:31 | cranch | haha |
| 23:11:36 | cranch | we've got two of them here at school |
| 23:11:45 | BigBoss | how old are those? |
| 23:11:47 | cranch | and one of the CS prof's wants me to use them |
| 23:11:54 | cranch | older than me I'm thinking :) |
| 23:12:03 | nadav | and how old are you? ;) |
| 23:12:09 | cranch | 21 |
| 23:12:16 | BigBoss | never mind then :) |
| 23:12:21 | nadav | lol |
| 23:12:29 | JasonNJ-home | cranch: I urge you to pursue a career in food service |
| 23:12:49 | cranch | urges Jason to take a flying leap |
| 23:12:49 | cranch | :P |
| 23:12:58 | nadav | hah |
| 23:13:22 | JasonNJ-home | cranch: I wish I had gone into hotel and restaurant management |
| 23:13:36 | JasonNJ-home | I would have been much happier as a chef or restaurant manager |
| 23:13:43 | cranch | what DO you do |
| 23:14:03 | JasonNJ-home | cranch: I listen to you guys all day. |
| 23:14:13 | angry | cranch: its true :-/ |
| 23:14:24 | cranch | haha |
| 23:14:31 | angry | cranch: and he gets paid for it |
| 23:14:40 | cranch | does the same thing currently |
| 23:15:13 | angry | JasonNJ-home: do they actually make you go into this chat and talk to us? or are you just bored at work |
| 23:15:16 | JasonNJ-home | I sit and get yelled at by angry developers and angry japanese people, all at the same time |
| 23:15:20 | angry | is your job to listen to us and report back to sharp? :) |
| 23:15:23 | cranch | I will call Micheal Dell and tell him to suck my thumb....... if he doesn't release any Dell Radeon 7500 drivers for the Inspiron 8100 laptop |
| 23:16:34 | JasonNJ-home | angry: I am the most useless person in the entire organization, I am an absolute waste of human life |
| 23:16:48 | JasonNJ-home | someone should just shoot me and get it over with |
| 23:16:51 | angry | JasonNJ-home: sounds like what my brother does |
| 23:16:52 | angry | hehe |
| 23:17:02 | cranch | TOO MUCH POP..brb |
| 23:17:08 | angry | lol |
| 23:17:52 | JasonNJ-home | and in between getting yelled at, I visit the vending machine and drink diet mountain dew and and eat microwave popcorn. |
| 23:18:07 | ljp- | hmmm |
| 23:18:11 | JasonNJ-home | its a very fulfilling job, actually. |
| 23:18:11 | angry | JasonNJ-home: diet mountain dew? pimp the MD code red man! |
| 23:18:25 | cranch | woohoo..I'm back |
| 23:19:13 | JasonNJ-home | I'm considering throwing this all away for starting one of those gourmet pretzel stands at the mall |
| 23:19:46 | Cloudchaser | i'm gonna grow christmas trees and pumpkins |
| 23:19:49 | BigBoss | JasonNJ-home: I've got the final version of tkcVideo now |
| 23:19:51 | JasonNJ-home | you know, the ones dipped with the cinnamon/sugar spice and processed cheese |
| 23:19:52 | cranch | Boss..when is the Divx player coming out this week.? |
| 23:19:54 | BigBoss | I just need to test it |
| 23:19:56 | angry | JasonNJ-home: if you're going to quit anyway how about you try to score me a free Z ;) |
| 23:20:13 | cranch | I'm slowing putting it together...JasonNJ works at Sharp... |
| 23:20:14 | BigBoss | cranch: it's done now. I'm gonna try it out and then get the information to the webmaster to get the product online |
| 23:20:18 | angry | BigBoss: i could always help you make the testing go faster ;) |
| 23:20:21 | BigBoss | hopefully tomorrow |
| 23:20:23 | JasonNJ-home | angry: I cant score free Z's. |
| 23:20:27 | cranch | Me too boss |
| 23:20:29 | JasonNJ-home | Talk to Spencer. |
| 23:20:31 | angry | JasonNJ-home: no point in that job then! |
| 23:20:31 | cranch | I can test it out tonight... |
| 23:20:32 | angry | hehe |
| 23:20:38 | cranch | and pay you $15.95 for it |
| 23:20:41 | angry | i dont think spencer likes me |
| 23:20:44 | cranch | instead of the limited time $14.95 |
| 23:20:49 | cranch | think of that investment |
| 23:20:55 | JasonNJ-home | angry: well, were you a bad boy? |
| 23:21:03 | angry | lol, nope |
| 23:21:07 | cranch | investment? |
| 23:21:11 | cranch | what the hell am I talking about |
| 23:21:16 | nadav | haha |
| 23:21:22 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:27:10) |
| 23:21:25 | nadav | that is a question nobody could answer |
| 23:21:29 | cranch | haha |
| 23:21:35 | JasonNJ-home | hey neo. |
| 23:21:41 | cranch | I'm going to kick myself...should have ran etc-update sooner... |
| 23:21:48 | cranch | now I have to go through 96 files :( |
| 23:21:48 | JasonNJ-home | Friggin linuxworld expo... over 200 bucks a night at the friggin marriott |
| 23:22:04 | nadav | wow |
| 23:22:20 | JasonNJ-home | well, it is right next to the convention center |
| 23:22:25 | JasonNJ-home | I HATE moscone. |
| 23:22:27 | JasonNJ-home | bastards. |
| 23:22:44 | JasonNJ-home | A sandwich and soda costs 20 bucks in there |
| 23:23:14 | angry | JasonNJ-home: you should make sharp pay for everything |
| 23:23:22 | JasonNJ-home | HA! |
| 23:23:26 | JasonNJ-home | you know what we get? |
| 23:23:34 | cranch | a kick in the pants |
| 23:23:38 | angry | free pants |
| 23:23:43 | JasonNJ-home | 15 bucks for breakfast, 10 for lunch, 25 for dinner |
| 23:23:50 | BigBoss | why don't they move LWE to Los Angeles |
| 23:23:50 | nadav | wow |
| 23:23:56 | BigBoss | I despise Moscone |
| 23:24:07 | mtm | why everybody hate it so much? |
| 23:24:09 | JasonNJ-home | I liked it in San Jose! |
| 23:24:14 | JasonNJ-home | San Jose was a cute little town! |
| 23:24:15 | mtm | like LA Convention Center is so great? |
| 23:24:20 | BigBoss | yea, and it got to big for it's britches |
| 23:24:25 | JasonNJ-home | they had this great dive diner next door, Joe's! |
| 23:24:28 | BigBoss | yes, it's nice, but it's close to me |
| 23:24:35 | BigBoss | Moscone is just a gross area |
| 23:24:43 | prpplague | mdz_: you alive? |
| 23:24:45 | mtm | gross? |
| 23:24:46 | JasonNJ-home | Big: its not too big for San Jose now |
| 23:24:50 | | mdz_ was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 1 hours, 8 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: let me clarify. I'm not using the OZ initrd, only the kernel. is bootflag.txt required for the kernel? [Sun Jul 28 23:16:30 2002] |
| 23:24:50 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz_ |
| 23:24:56 | cranch | 1 days |
| 23:24:57 | cranch | WOW |
| 23:24:58 | BigBoss | prosititutes all over the place |
| 23:25:01 | mtm | BigBoss: I'd actually like it if it was in LA -- that's by me too |
| 23:25:04 | mtm | BigBoss: oh |
| 23:25:05 | BigBoss | homeless grabbing food out of your hands |
| 23:25:06 | JasonNJ-home | for the most part I hate SF |
| 23:25:15 | JasonNJ-home | oh yeah, the homeless. |
| 23:25:16 | mtm | I guess I was just oblivious of that when I was there :) |
| 23:25:20 | BigBoss | shit, do it in Anaheim |
| 23:25:31 | JasonNJ-home | I was down on the wharf, and this homeless guy started following me and my wife for about 4 blocks |
| 23:25:31 | cranch | do it in Sioux Falls, South Dakota |
| 23:25:32 | BigBoss | the thing is the homeless in SF look like they have one foot in the grave |
| 23:25:33 | mtm | sure, DisneyLand |
| 23:25:49 | JasonNJ-home | I turned around and said "i am from new york. I WILL fucking kill you" |
| 23:25:54 | JasonNJ-home | and he ran away |
| 23:25:56 | cranch | haha |
| 23:26:01 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 23:26:05 | angry | how about a zaurus expo/party ;) |
| 23:26:13 | JasonNJ-home | PARTY? |
| 23:26:17 | JasonNJ-home | we dont even have a booth |
| 23:26:20 | mtm | JasonNJ-home: can't say I've ever really had that problem there either |
| 23:26:25 | JasonNJ-home | we share part of the Intel booth |
| 23:26:44 | angry | lol |
| 23:26:55 | nadav | lol |
| 23:26:56 | JasonNJ-home | this is going to be the smallest linuxworld yet |
| 23:27:04 | JasonNJ-home | from what I understand, everyone pulled out |
| 23:27:16 | mtm | JasonNJ-home: did sharp have they're own booth before? |
| 23:27:24 | mtm | s/they're/their/ |
| 23:27:25 | JasonNJ-home | yes, in NY |
| 23:27:26 | ljp- | cept Microsoft |
| 23:27:55 | JasonNJ-home | but our budgets have been slashed for trade shows in favor of magazine ads |
| 23:28:02 | mtm | yeah |
| 23:28:18 | JasonNJ-home | so, only critical people can go to trade shows, like me |
| 23:30:13 | ljp- | hmm |
| 23:30:16 | JasonNJ-home | ah well, at least I can visit Fusion94 and we can go out for cheap thai food |
| 23:30:20 | ljp- | ibota: test |
| 23:30:26 | | Test Failed! |
| 23:30:26 | ljp- | ibot: test |
| 23:30:31 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:30:52 | JasonNJ-home | speaking of... |
| 23:30:56 | JasonNJ-home | hey tony. |
| 23:30:59 | jmhodges | aah.. well i got the printing to work.. |
| 23:31:14 | JasonNJ-home | bought my LinuxWorld tix today.. gonna be by Moscone this time at the Marriot |
| 23:31:24 | fusion94- | cool |
| 23:31:32 | JasonNJ-home | KING OF THAI!!!! |
| 23:31:33 | fusion94- | theres a sports bar downstaris |
| 23:31:38 | fusion94- | thats cool |
| 23:31:46 | angry | where you can spend your lunch money |
| 23:32:03 | JasonNJ-home | pad kaprow baby |
| 23:32:11 | cranch | who is going to maintain the ZDI (Zaurus DivX Index) once Boss releases the Divx Player :) |
| 23:32:16 | JasonNJ-home | I've been jonesing for that lately |
| 23:32:16 | fusion94- | i wonder when spencer is shipping me my z's |
| 23:32:18 | fusion94- | heh |
| 23:32:20 | JasonNJ-home | cant get it that way here |
| 23:32:30 | fusion94- | i had home made pad thai noodles this weekend |
| 23:32:36 | JasonNJ-home | oh man. |
| 23:32:56 | JasonNJ-home | you still wont eat curry right |
| 23:33:04 | fusion94- | nope |
| 23:33:07 | fusion94- | smells like ass |
| 23:33:09 | JasonNJ-home | dude you have issues |
| 23:33:22 | nadav | cranch: you think people will actually watch divx movies on the Z? |
| 23:33:22 | fusion94- | yeah....tell me something i don't know already |
| 23:33:25 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:33:28 | cranch | yes |
| 23:33:29 | cranch | :) |
| 23:33:34 | angry | nadav: hell yeah! |
| 23:33:35 | nadav | god |
| 23:33:36 | cranch | will |
| 23:33:42 | nadav | crazy |
| 23:33:43 | fusion94- | anyways |
| 23:33:44 | cranch | nadav |
| 23:33:47 | cranch | I'm a college student |
| 23:33:52 | JasonNJ-home | nadav: load my zaurus up with Pr0n, sure |
| 23:33:53 | fusion94- | is away: Anarchy Online baby... |
| 23:33:54 | cranch | what the hell else am I going to do in Class |
| 23:34:05 | nadav | well, i don't actually remeber the size of the screen of the Z |
| 23:34:16 | angry | JasonNJ-home: that's the idea! :-P |
| 23:34:23 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: gonna give away free Zs at linuxworld? :) |
| 23:34:32 | JasonNJ-home | free? |
| 23:34:34 | angry | $200 500d's? |
| 23:34:34 | JasonNJ-home | are you on drugs? |
| 23:34:37 | angry | 5000 even |
| 23:34:38 | cranch | 240x320 |
| 23:34:46 | nadav | cranch: i really want CPCD in this area.. so i could IRC from class ;) |
| 23:34:54 | cranch | hahaha |
| 23:35:00 | treke|home | hehe |
| 23:35:03 | cranch | the keyboard makes too much noise to type in class |
| 23:35:08 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: Marketing expense you know |
| 23:35:09 | nadav | really? |
| 23:35:16 | JasonNJ-home | I'm wondering, how abusive can I get in this channel before Sharp gets upset |
| 23:35:17 | cranch | I think so |
| 23:35:27 | nadav | well, most classes are noisy enough ;) |
| 23:35:31 | treke|home | sadly, no. I cant blame my insanity on drug use |
| 23:35:32 | cranch | abuse me..I'll sue |
| 23:35:39 | JasonNJ-home | I should start calling people Dumbasses. |
| 23:35:44 | angry | JasonNJ-home: are you trying to get fired? :) |
| 23:35:50 | nadav | cranch: i could always use graffiti.. |
| 23:35:50 | nadav | haha |
| 23:35:59 | JasonNJ-home | angry: Dumbass. |
| 23:36:09 | treke|home | its pronounce Dumas |
| 23:36:12 | JasonNJ-home | well, I am at home |
| 23:36:13 | nadav | LOL |
| 23:36:14 | angry | lol |
| 23:36:22 | JasonNJ-home | so technically, I am calling you Dumbass on my personal time. |
| 23:36:25 | angry | JasonNJ-home: does spencer get mad when you're "unprofessional" |
| 23:36:37 | JasonNJ-home | Spencer isnt my boss |
| 23:36:59 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: Your trying to be one with the community |
| 23:37:14 | JasonNJ-home | treke: Yeah, thats the ticket! |
| 23:37:19 | BigBoss | spencer is jasons bitch |
| 23:37:31 | angry | JasonNJ-home: you need to be more relaxed in the chat... like this: |
| 23:37:34 | angry | scratches his balls |
| 23:37:42 | JasonNJ-home | he's my man servant... lol |
| 23:37:46 | angry | we're all one big happy family |
| 23:37:50 | cranch | yuck...don't scrach JasonNJ's balls... |
| 23:38:00 | cranch | ;) |
| 23:38:06 | angry | scratches his OWN balls |
| 23:38:09 | nadav | haha |
| 23:38:32 | JasonNJ-home | man going home and becoming an alcoholic is FUN! |
| 23:38:43 | JasonNJ-home | I gotta start buying the gallon sized Ciclon |
| 23:38:57 | angry | JasonNJ-home: wine-in-a-box |
| 23:39:00 | JasonNJ-home | I ran out of the small bottle |
| 23:39:17 | ][N-Flux | is away: Bullocks |
| 23:39:31 | cranch | Wine-in-a-box is goo with the chicks... |
| 23:39:39 | cranch | good |
| 23:39:41 | cranch | I meant :) |
| 23:40:00 | JasonNJ-home | I dont need the chicks, I just want the alcohol |
| 23:40:12 | jmhodges | is away: food dammit |
| 23:40:19 | JasonNJ-home | I want it to enter my bloodstream fast, and have maximum effect |
| 23:40:24 | JasonNJ-home | I want to be sedated in seconds |
| 23:40:42 | cranch | get an IV |
| 23:40:47 | angry | lol |
| 23:41:13 | JasonNJ-home | yeah, there you go, I can start doing some H |
| 23:41:22 | angry | HIV? |
| 23:41:29 | JasonNJ-home | people will think I am a rock start |
| 23:41:34 | JasonNJ-home | er star |
| 23:42:25 | angry | i messed up my space bar |
| 23:42:28 | angry | i took it out |
| 23:42:33 | angry | now im using that little plastic thingy |
| 23:42:40 | JasonNJ-home | wait, no, I could do powderized penguin mints |
| 23:43:04 | Neo|Work | downloads "America's Army" |
| 23:43:15 | Neo|Work | modern propaganda! |
| 23:43:15 | JasonNJ-home | have you guys tried those SMINT things they sell at the check out counter at Target? |
| 23:43:17 | angry | i put my spacebar upsidown |
| 23:43:31 | angry | there we go |
| 23:43:33 | JasonNJ-home | they have the coolest dispenser |
| 23:43:47 | Neo|Work | I can see the headlines right now. "Army sponsored game creates teenage homocidal maniacs" |
| 23:43:55 | angry | lol |
| 23:44:02 | JasonNJ-home | its gonna be cooler when they hack that game |
| 23:44:09 | JasonNJ-home | give them laser weapons and stuff |
| 23:44:18 | Neo|Work | since FPS games are, naturally, proven to create monsters |
| 23:44:27 | JasonNJ-home | I want to fry Al Qaeda with BFG9000 |
| 23:44:32 | Neo|Work | not that these people were insane to begin with - no not at all |
| 23:44:34 | angry | they'll make it a federal offence to cheat in the game |
| 23:44:40 | angry | (offense?) |
| 23:44:51 | nadav | counter strike should be ported to the z |
| 23:44:57 | angry | definitley |
| 23:44:59 | JasonNJ-home | people who play computer games are posessed by satan |
| 23:45:06 | JasonNJ-home | why, just take Whardier for example. |
| 23:45:06 | nadav | wonder how that would perform on the z |
| 23:45:11 | Neo|Work | nadav: likely, they don't even let someone make a Linux port, despite the game being ancient |
| 23:45:19 | nadav | heh |
| 23:45:22 | nadav | the game is good though ;) |
| 23:45:27 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: Well, there's always the exceptions. :P |
| 23:45:27 | angry | they're still selling a lot |
| 23:45:44 | nadav | i actually bought it |
| 23:45:48 | nadav | in my gaming days.. |
| 23:45:53 | Neo|Work | Counter-Strike is quite cool but it really is lame gfx-wise by today's standards |
| 23:45:55 | angry | lafs |
| 23:46:08 | nadav | uh |
| 23:46:11 | angry | i got lucky and happened to generate a working 'net CD key |
| 23:46:11 | angry | hehe |
| 23:46:13 | nadav | port age of empires! |
| 23:46:14 | JasonNJ-home | one of these days I have to download americas army |
| 23:46:25 | JasonNJ-home | when, like, I have free time to sit and play computer games. |
| 23:46:27 | angry | PORT LEMONADE STAND |
| 23:46:29 | angry | hehe |
| 23:46:34 | angry | that old mac game |
| 23:46:47 | JasonNJ-home | I have a freakin X box with 4 games still in the plastic wrap |
| 23:46:53 | JasonNJ-home | thats how much free time I have |
| 23:46:59 | Neo|Work | notes that Hexacto (or wtf they are called) hasn't responded to his query yet. |
| 23:47:08 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: whop their butts |
| 23:47:17 | nadav | be right back |
| 23:47:20 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: hey, that's ok. Send it to me. :)) |
| 23:47:20 | JasonNJ-home | hell, 90 percent of my dvd collection is still in the plastic wrap |
| 23:47:34 | Neo|Work | Hehe, now that I can relate to |
| 23:47:42 | Neo|Work | I often buy dvd's and then end up not watching them |
| 23:47:51 | JasonNJ-home | I know, how messed up is that? |
| 23:48:12 | Neo|Work | Except some great movies like The Matrix, Starship Troopers and Terminator 2 |
| 23:48:37 | angry | yeah i still havent opened up my zaurus |
| 23:48:42 | angry | i've just let it sit for about a year |
| 23:48:44 | Neo|Work | now I just download my moviez! *grin* |
| 23:48:50 | angry | NOT |
| 23:49:04 | angry | Neo|Work: hook a zauruser up ;) |
| 23:49:19 | Neo|Work | watching movies on the computer is small enough |
| 23:49:27 | Neo|Work | I'd never watch a movie on my Zaurus even if I could |
| 23:49:31 | JasonNJ-home | I want the new cut of blade runner |
| 23:49:57 | cranch | Neo...which movies? |
| 23:50:00 | Neo|Work | trust me, if the choice is between the Zaurus and a 53" TV, I'd choose the TV |
| 23:50:05 | cranch | I would to |
| 23:50:19 | JasonNJ-home | I'm gonna buy one of those big lcd projectors |
| 23:50:20 | Neo|Work | cranch: none in particular. actually I just mostly download tv series episodes |
| 23:50:29 | JasonNJ-home | and get me one of those chairs with the massage and stuff. |
| 23:50:36 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 23:50:43 | cranch | from where.... |
| 23:50:45 | JasonNJ-home | with a mini fridge next to it for holding a six pack |
| 23:50:51 | Neo|Work | I want that lazyboy with builtin keyboard and drinkholder and stuff |
| 23:51:07 | cranch | a friend of mine has a projector |
| 23:51:13 | cranch | has a 110" screen in his room |
| 23:51:17 | cranch | hes a DVD freak |
| 23:51:20 | nadav | heh |
| 23:51:27 | Neo|Work | I'd be one if I could afford it. :)) |
| 23:51:29 | cranch | has something like $36,000 in DVD's |
| 23:51:45 | cranch | I think he told me that...he could be blowing smoke up my ass... |
| 23:51:45 | Neo|Work | But I can tell you this - DVD's looks awesome on 53" progressive output |
| 23:51:58 | cranch | We watched the NIN video in his house...music pumped |
| 23:52:01 | cranch | it was sweet |
| 23:52:07 | cranch | he made his own screen and everything |
| 23:54:08 | JasonNJ-home | oh cool, Babylon 5 is coming out on DVD |
| 23:54:23 | JasonNJ-home | hits the one-click buy button on Amazon |
| 23:54:35 | JasonNJ-home | amazon is evil |
| 23:54:40 | JasonNJ-home | an evil, evil site |
| 23:55:29 | angry | helll no |
| 23:55:37 | angry | i got the sweetest deal ever offa there |
| 23:55:39 | BigBoss | jason: you want tkcVideo now or at the office? |
| 23:55:53 | JasonNJ-home | office |
| 23:55:58 | JasonNJ-home | i dont bring my z home with me |
| 23:56:34 | angry | sharp employees = free software? :) |
| 23:56:46 | oGMo | JasonNJ-home: you mean you leave it there? all alone? at NIGHT? how cruel! |
| 23:56:47 | angry | one second, i'll become a sharp employee so i can get some software |
| 23:56:48 | angry | brb |
| 23:56:49 | angry | ;) |
| 23:56:53 | oGMo | ;) |
| 23:57:00 | oGMo | angry: hehe |
| 23:57:01 | cranch | would like tkcVideo now... |
| 23:57:08 | cranch | but I'm guessing I don't have a choice ;) |
| 23:57:17 | nadav | hehe |
| 23:59:50 | JasonNJ-home | I mostly bring the Z out on biz trips |
| 23:59:59 | JasonNJ-home | or on vacation |
