| 00:05:36 | ljp | then once I learn how.. I'll switch to a real programming language.. :) |
| 00:05:39 | scanline | hi kergoth |
| 00:11:32 | BigBoss | l |
| 00:12:18 | kergoth | k |
| 00:15:06 | BZFlag | kergoth: having fun? |
| 00:15:25 | kergoth | BZFlag: hellll no.. |
| 00:15:37 | BZFlag | set_vpp is just an off name, huh? like you'd be able to run without vpp? ;-) |
| 00:15:43 | BZFlag | er odd name. |
| 00:16:09 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah. vpp is tied to vcc3.. and why turn vpen on and off? why not just turn it on at init time and at wakeup? |
| 00:16:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:16:23 | BZFlag | you got nfs up? you're killing yerself not to. |
| 00:16:47 | kergoth | BZFlag: no. thats a damn good idea though. |
| 00:16:57 | BZFlag | well, sharp roms are read only, yes? so it can be off for them. |
| 00:16:57 | kergoth | BZFlag: i'm just workin serial console to the death |
| 00:17:02 | kergoth | well yeah |
| 00:17:09 | kergoth | but i mean, why is it tied to the vpp function? |
| 00:17:29 | BZFlag | who the heck knows. sometimes hardware types don't have a clue. |
| 00:17:29 | kergoth | it seems like itd behave in a way other than mtd expects it to |
| 00:17:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:17:45 | kergoth | BZFlag: also, never enable VT with the sa1100fb disabled.. |
| 00:17:49 | BZFlag | their win* flash app must turn it on over jtag. and you think you have it bad. |
| 00:18:05 | kergoth | BZFlag: uncovered a kernel NULL pointer deref |
| 00:18:13 | BZFlag | oh yeah. been there. ;-) |
| 00:18:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:18:20 | warmi | re |
| 00:18:20 | kergoth | BZFlag: that was fun |
| 00:18:31 | warmi | uh Speedy2 are you around ? |
| 00:18:43 | kergoth | BZFlag: so my problem is, mtd is still returning -30 (-EROFS) at mounttime, even though i asserted VPEN |
| 00:18:46 | BZFlag | didn't worry about fixing it though. "doctor, it hurts when I do this" and all. |
| 00:18:52 | kergoth | BZFlag: hah, yeah exactly |
| 00:18:58 | kergoth | BZFlag: i just disabled VT and moved on |
| 00:19:05 | warmi | I forgot .. do we know what is the refresh rate Zaurus LCD works with ? |
| 00:19:26 | BZFlag | warmi: no off hand, no. |
| 00:19:29 | warmi | is it just like an average laptop .. somewhere around 60 MHz or so |
| 00:19:32 | BZFlag | er not... |
| 00:19:32 | warmi | ? |
| 00:19:41 | warmi | or does it work diferently ? |
| 00:20:09 | kergoth | knows just enough about lcd to get himself in trouble, and thats it |
| 00:20:18 | BZFlag | kergoth: get nfs and pivot_root setup. then ... |
| 00:20:30 | warmi | btw .. kergoth you have some scanned xero of some japanese documentation about this stuff .. right ? |
| 00:20:31 | warmi | :-) |
| 00:20:35 | BZFlag | tries to think of a way to get the mtd driver modular... |
| 00:20:44 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe. exactly what i was thinking. |
| 00:20:47 | warmi | ok.. anyway, I won't bother you guys :-) |
| 00:20:50 | warmi | have fun |
| 00:20:53 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:21:02 | kergoth | warmi: i dont have any lcd specs.. they're confidential. mitchy couldnt let them out |
| 00:21:07 | kergoth | warmi: i have what info is in the code |
| 00:21:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:21:11 | BZFlag | warmi: we have a copy of the sharp service manual (in english) |
| 00:21:12 | warmi | ah ok |
| 00:21:17 | kergoth | yeah, there is that |
| 00:21:20 | Wembly | kergoth: lcd specs for what? |
| 00:21:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:21:25 | kergoth | Wembly: the z of course |
| 00:21:29 | Wembly | ohhh |
| 00:21:35 | warmi | what else ?? |
| 00:21:36 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:21:51 | warmi | on this channel could only be about one thing |
| 00:21:53 | warmi | heeh |
| 00:22:17 | BZFlag | kergoth: you'd have to put an initrd into the rootfs except that angel won't do initrds |
| 00:22:28 | warmi | basically, I have some dude who wants to synch his blit code to vertical interrupt |
| 00:22:28 | kergoth | BZFlag: ugh |
| 00:22:41 | kergoth | warmi: i dont blame him |
| 00:22:55 | Wembly | whyfor would you wanta do that? |
| 00:22:56 | BZFlag | you could build a chainload blob first. put that in the kernel slot and then use it to load another kernel and initrd. sounds fun huh? |
| 00:23:19 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe.. so drop blob into the address we normally start the kernel from? |
| 00:23:23 | kergoth | BZFlag: fun stuff |
| 00:23:24 | BZFlag | warmi: ask jasonNJ to ask sharp about that. |
| 00:23:45 | BZFlag | kergoth: yeah. blob should build that way without much effort, |
| 00:23:46 | warmi | BZFlag yeah .. I guess if anyone can get this stuff he will |
| 00:23:56 | kergoth | BZFlag: cool. i looked at blob.. .looks easy as hell to port.. |
| 00:23:59 | kergoth | BZFlag: eh? |
| 00:24:14 | kergoth | BZFlag: so even if i hook up jtag, do we have the jflash software thatll work with the Z? |
| 00:24:21 | BZFlag | kergoth: that's how we like it. ;-) |
| 00:24:32 | kergoth | BZFlag: (referring to replacing angel, not chainloaded blob, atm, obviously) |
| 00:24:39 | BZFlag | kergoth: I don't. I don't think JasonNJ does either. |
| 00:24:44 | kergoth | fun |
| 00:25:02 | kergoth | BZFlag: isnt there jflash sources in www.arm.linux.org.uk cvs we could port? |
| 00:25:03 | kergoth | ponders |
| 00:25:08 | BZFlag | kergoth: I expect we can find the sa1110 to talk to, but then we need to hack jflash etc to get write enabled. |
| 00:25:15 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah, exactly |
| 00:26:54 | kergoth | BZFlag: i really want to finish porting this damn embedix patch so i can move onto other projects. hehe. |
| 00:27:12 | kergoth | BZFlag: keep running into annoying hurdles.. like this flash that wont be readwrite .. it just doesnt like me |
| 00:27:55 | VerxHome | bigboss, are you here? |
| 00:29:14 | kergoth | re treke |
| 00:29:27 | BZFlag | kergoth: I hear that. I salute your efforts. |
| 00:30:21 | treke|home | kergoth: make any progress on the flash bug? |
| 00:30:22 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe. its more an exercise for me than anything else.. though itll be nice to take advantage of the better power saving in the newer kernels |
| 00:30:31 | kergoth | treke|home: some.. but it still doesnt like me :-) |
| 00:30:46 | treke|home | kergoth: not surprising. no one else does |
| 00:30:52 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:33:26 | ljp | I'd like kergoth if he didn't make ibot shoot himeself so much |
| 00:34:39 | angrybsd | i hate XP |
| 00:34:44 | angrybsd | but then again im using it |
| 00:34:50 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:34:54 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 00:35:04 | ljp | sounds like a personal problem |
| 00:35:04 | jmhodges | angrybsd: why the name if your using XP ? just a fan? |
| 00:35:11 | jmhodges | haha |
| 00:35:16 | angrybsd | :-P |
| 00:35:22 | angrybsd | i dont solely use XP |
| 00:36:01 | angrybsd | just thought i should try to install the Z drivers and stuff for XP |
| 00:36:08 | angrybsd | but its a biatch |
| 00:38:26 | W|GGL|T | anyone else here use trillian? |
| 00:39:12 | W|GGL|T | i think im gonna play some wolfenstein |
| 00:39:17 | warmi | I will tell you if I do , if you tell me what trilian is .. |
| 00:39:18 | warmi | heh |
| 00:39:34 | W|GGL|T | trillian is almost like gaim |
| 00:39:42 | W|GGL|T | windows tho |
| 00:39:48 | angrybsd | theres a windows gaim now |
| 00:39:53 | angrybsd | well its in beta |
| 00:39:58 | angrybsd | go to #gaim and ask about it |
| 00:40:05 | angrybsd | they'll give you the URL for it :-D |
| 00:40:11 | W|GGL|T | i'll pass |
| 00:40:34 | angrybsd | brb |
| 00:40:36 | W|GGL|T | most windows-implemented linux programs suck ass |
| 00:41:16 | warmi | ah ok |
| 00:41:21 | warmi | heeh |
| 00:41:46 | warmi | W|GGL|T: you mean Linux apps ported to Windows .. |
| 00:41:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:42:01 | W|GGL|T | how do i kill zombies efficiently in rtcw? it takes alot of machine gun ammo... |
| 00:42:02 | warmi | GTK on Windows suck ass |
| 00:42:11 | warmi | W|GGL|T come on man .. |
| 00:42:24 | warmi | you got to play multiplayer .. that is where real action is |
| 00:42:27 | warmi | heh |
| 00:42:33 | W|GGL|T | nah |
| 00:42:37 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: run |
| 00:42:40 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: fast |
| 00:42:43 | W|GGL|T | the multiplayer is a bit gay |
| 00:42:47 | warmi | especially BeachHead level |
| 00:42:51 | warmi | I love that one |
| 00:42:56 | W|GGL|T | if i wanted fragfest all i gotta do is play quake |
| 00:42:59 | Ag0n | Anyone here familiar with flashing the 5500 to install OpenZaurus? |
| 00:43:07 | W|GGL|T | that beachhead is hard |
| 00:43:15 | treke|home | the beachhead level was fun... but it got pretty boaring by the time the game was release |
| 00:43:21 | hunger | Ag0n: Kergoth is:-) |
| 00:43:28 | Ag0n | Each time I do the press C & D keys and the full reset button, the two led's light up for about two seconds and then stop. At this point I can't turn it on or anything - I have to yank the battery and power for a few then put them back in. |
| 00:43:30 | VerxHome | warmi: You mean the saving private ryan level? |
| 00:43:32 | Ag0n | Any suggestions? |
| 00:43:40 | warmi | treke well... with else these levels I still find myself playing beachhead all the time |
| 00:43:46 | jmhodges | Ag0n: it means your hitting other buttons |
| 00:43:55 | warmi | the other one I like is that French city level .. I forgot its name |
| 00:44:03 | hunger | Ag0n: I'd guess you have used the wrong filenames and such parts of the ROM did not get flashed. |
| 00:44:03 | warmi | sort of like a urban warfare |
| 00:44:06 | ljp | AgOn: do you have the power cord in the Z? |
| 00:44:19 | jmhodges | Ag0n: also what hunger said |
| 00:44:19 | hunger | Ag0n: Check the filenames. |
| 00:44:19 | W|GGL|T | i just passed that level in single player |
| 00:44:25 | Ag0n | ljp, yes, I have the power cord in. |
| 00:44:26 | warmi | VerxHome yeah .. that one , saving private Ryan |
| 00:44:40 | W|GGL|T | oh...maybe not |
| 00:44:41 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 00:44:42 | Ag0n | hunger: hitting other buttons causes that? |
| 00:44:50 | kergoth | Ag0n: as they said, confirm the filenames. also as jmhodges says, you need to push C+D ONLY, no other keys |
| 00:44:56 | kergoth | yes |
| 00:45:03 | hunger | Ag0n: Nope. copying the stuff from the website without renaming the files does that. |
| 00:45:12 | kergoth | that too :-) |
| 00:45:16 | warmi | W|GGL|T I hate that "Assault" level .. the one with Bethoven playing in the background .. |
| 00:45:18 | Ag0n | What filenames should I be using? |
| 00:45:27 | kergoth | Ag0n: bootflag.txt, initrd.bin, zImage |
| 00:45:28 | W|GGL|T | that's kinda hard, not pushing other keys when pushing C+D |
| 00:45:32 | treke|home | finally! a busy box based install without trashing my pda |
| 00:45:37 | Ag0n | Will try, thanks. |
| 00:45:38 | warmi | the music is very cool but the level sucks .. people just throw "air strikes" over the wall all the time |
| 00:45:43 | kergoth | treke|home: congrats |
| 00:46:07 | W|GGL|T | warmi: is there a capture the flag type multiplay? |
| 00:46:07 | treke|home | kergoth: thanks to the jffs2 images from familia .6 pre1 :) |
| 00:46:31 | warmi | W|GGL|T yeah .. some of them are .. frankly, beachhead is capture the flag style level |
| 00:46:47 | warmi | you need to steal secret war documents and take them to the radio room |
| 00:47:21 | treke|home | kergoth: thanks to the jffs2 images from familia .6 pre1 :)ls |
| 00:47:23 | warmi | but there are other where you basically "capture" flag points .. if you get them all your team wins |
| 00:47:27 | treke|home | whoops |
| 00:47:36 | W|GGL|T | ahh...yeah |
| 00:47:38 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe |
| 00:47:39 | W|GGL|T | capture secrets |
| 00:48:08 | W|GGL|T | i cant figure out why it plays so damn slow on my system...doesn't it use the quake engine? |
| 00:48:26 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: its quake 3 with more detail |
| 00:48:41 | warmi | W|GGL|T how many fps you get on average ? |
| 00:48:53 | W|GGL|T | i havent even checked...its pretty damn low tho |
| 00:49:01 | warmi | I get around 50 or so and 20-30 during heated combat |
| 00:49:17 | W|GGL|T | and i have to play safe mode to even get it to not lock up the system |
| 00:49:20 | warmi | and I run it on 1 GHZ athlon + one year old ATI card |
| 00:49:40 | warmi | W|GGL|T man .. something is wrong with your hardware or your drivers then |
| 00:49:44 | jmhodges | warmi: rtcw? |
| 00:49:50 | warmi | btw. . it does use Quake engine |
| 00:49:52 | W|GGL|T | 500mhz cpu |
| 00:49:54 | warmi | jmhodges yeah |
| 00:50:01 | W|GGL|T | but still, quake plays quickly on it |
| 00:50:16 | jmhodges | warmi: its not beehtoven playing its Wagner |
| 00:50:23 | warmi | W|GGL|T rtcw has has much higher poly count etc .. |
| 00:50:24 | jmhodges | warmi: iirc |
| 00:50:40 | jmhodges | its been a while though |
| 00:50:43 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 00:50:59 | warmi | jmhodges nah .. Bethoven |
| 00:51:12 | warmi | I am sure .. I have CD with this particular piece |
| 00:51:14 | warmi | heh |
| 00:53:14 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 00:53:18 | jmhodges | cool thanks for the correction warmi_away |
| 00:53:51 | TheLuggage | can someone provide some insite into a SD card problem i'm having? I can't write to the SD card. |
| 00:54:12 | W|GGL|T | sd card support = crappy |
| 00:54:17 | TheLuggage | oh |
| 00:54:35 | TheLuggage | should I have bought a mmc card? |
| 00:54:37 | jmhodges | lol |
| 00:54:59 | W|GGL|T | some batches of cards are bad from the manufacturer |
| 00:55:26 | hunger | TheLuggage: You can lock those tiny cards. Maybe you did that? |
| 00:55:43 | TheLuggage | I've tried the switch both ways, won't work |
| 00:58:02 | TheLuggage | also, when I do an 'ls' in /mnt/card tons of crap appears |
| 00:58:13 | TheLuggage | even though I just formatted the card |
| 00:58:40 | hunger | TheLuggage: I'd try to format it once more... if that did not work out I'd return it. |
| 00:58:49 | TheLuggage | ok |
| 00:59:09 | TheLuggage | format it ext2 or vfat? |
| 00:59:20 | hunger | TheLuggage: Doesen't really matter. |
| 01:02:12 | TheLuggage | thank you. |
| 01:04:56 | treke|home | hmm. familiar 0.6 wasnt as successful as I thought :) |
| 01:08:45 | ToyKeeper | I'm hoping to mount a MMC card as /usr.. :) |
| 01:23:52 | treke|home | kergoth: what all is involved in making opie run as a non root user? |
| 01:24:26 | warmi_away | treke magic |
| 01:24:28 | kergoth | treke|home: 1) setting proper groups and the like so the user has access to eh touchscreen, framebuffer, etc.. 2) dealing with the sync issue |
| 01:24:43 | warmi | yeah .. as I said , magic |
| 01:25:01 | treke|home | hehe, well maybe I'll hold off then :) I've other crap to do |
| 01:25:10 | kergoth | treke|home: bzflag has done it with qtopia on the vercel |
| 01:25:18 | warmi | treke: so you are running now OPIE ? |
| 01:25:31 | kergoth | warmi: he's using opie on his ipaq |
| 01:25:37 | treke|home | warmi: been running opie since opie started :) |
| 01:25:38 | warmi | ah ok |
| 01:25:42 | warmi | not much choice there |
| 01:25:44 | warmi | heeh |
| 01:25:51 | cdm | kergoth: got 'da flash a workie? |
| 01:25:57 | treke|home | well I could use qpe cvs, but that sucks |
| 01:26:14 | kergoth | cdm: well, right now i'm building a new kernel on my desktop so i have usb support.. i might.. |
| 01:26:20 | treke|home | and familiar finally got multiple users, so I'm grooving |
| 01:26:26 | warmi | treke: well I am not sure about that .. I haven't look at the latest Qtopia builds from trolls |
| 01:26:43 | cdm | kergoth: ah, cool. |
| 01:26:43 | kergoth | warmi: qpe cvs != their latest stuff |
| 01:26:48 | kergoth | warmi: qpe cvs sucks |
| 01:26:58 | kergoth | warmi: at least, it did last time i checked |
| 01:27:14 | treke|home | well last time I checked was right about when opie forked |
| 01:27:19 | warmi | kergoth you mean Qtopia for qte 2.x ? |
| 01:27:29 | warmi | or the one based on qte 3.x ? |
| 01:27:29 | kergoth | warmi: qtopia for qt3 isnt in cvs. |
| 01:27:41 | kergoth | warmi: the external cvs is old compared to what they're doing internally |
| 01:27:59 | warmi | kergoth I thought that ftp cvs was up to date |
| 01:28:16 | warmi | just like their qt cvs stuff .. not really cvs , more like daily builds |
| 01:28:48 | jmhodges | rebuilding qt3 is not fun |
| 01:29:01 | jmhodges | nor is rebuilding kdelibs3 :( esp. since i rarely use either |
| 01:29:09 | kergoth | jmhodges: qt3 is easy to build, but takes a long damn time |
| 01:29:13 | kergoth | jmhodges: heh |
| 01:29:46 | warmi | yeah ..both qt3 and KDE are easy to build but , as he said, takes ages |
| 01:29:49 | warmi | heh |
| 01:29:58 | kergoth | yeh |
| 01:30:03 | kergoth | apt-get install kde; |
| 01:30:05 | kergoth | woot |
| 01:30:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:30:05 | warmi | someone is asking about "Java Emulator for Zaurus" |
| 01:30:13 | kergoth | warmi: they're confused, eh |
| 01:30:14 | warmi | wtf |
| 01:30:19 | scanline | shivers |
| 01:30:24 | treke|home | java emulator? |
| 01:30:25 | warmi | you saw that post ? |
| 01:30:26 | treke|home | also shivers |
| 01:30:29 | jmhodges | this is waht i get for enjoying the ease of kppp |
| 01:30:37 | jmhodges | wonder if theres a gtk equilavent |
| 01:30:51 | warmi | hee |
| 01:30:57 | warmi | what's kppp jmhodges ? |
| 01:31:01 | warmi | ohhhh .. |
| 01:31:15 | kergoth | bah screw guis for ppp |
| 01:31:17 | kergoth | i just set up scripts |
| 01:31:19 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:31:21 | warmi | I forgot you are that medieval dude that is still using 56 connection |
| 01:31:22 | warmi | hehee |
| 01:31:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:31:29 | kergoth | you're mean |
| 01:31:48 | kergoth | stop making fun of people with pathetic connections |
| 01:31:49 | warmi | yeah .. jmhodges will get this crap from me all the time until he catches up with the rest of society |
| 01:31:50 | kergoth | </smartass> |
| 01:31:58 | jmhodges | kergoth: i have them.. but they are misrable |
| 01:32:04 | warmi | that's for his own good |
| 01:32:07 | warmi | :-) |
| 01:32:08 | jmhodges | heheh warmi |
| 01:32:17 | treke|home | CloudChaser: welcome back |
| 01:32:19 | kergoth | hey CloudChaser, how was your vacation? |
| 01:32:20 | jmhodges | wb CloudChaser |
| 01:32:25 | warmi | CloudChaser long time |
| 01:32:26 | warmi | heeh |
| 01:32:28 | kergoth | hehe. warm welcome, eh! |
| 01:32:37 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:32:47 | kergoth | offers CloudChaser a drink.. welcome |
| 01:32:52 | kergoth | eheh |
| 01:32:53 | W|GGL|T | hi cloud |
| 01:33:33 | jmhodges | Sugar make CloudChaser a long island iced tea |
| 01:33:43 | warmi | maybe her computer rebooted or something and it has auto join running |
| 01:33:43 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 01:33:44 | warmi | heeh |
| 01:33:49 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:33:53 | kergoth | hi CloudChaser |
| 01:33:56 | kergoth | 's computer |
| 01:33:58 | kergoth | damn enter key |
| 01:34:01 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:34:11 | treke|home | watches as kergoth steals her long island |
| 01:34:16 | kergoth | mmmm |
| 01:34:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:34:24 | warmi | well, kergoth is there are time that one of your nick is not on this channel ? |
| 01:34:26 | warmi | I don't think si |
| 01:34:28 | W|GGL|T | sugar make me a shot of jack daniels |
| 01:34:31 | CloudChaser | hiya everyone |
| 01:34:33 | W|GGL|T | sugar is broke |
| 01:34:41 | kergoth | sugar make me a long island |
| 01:34:42 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 01:34:49 | kergoth | sugar just doesnt like you W|GGL|T |
| 01:34:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:34:50 | treke|home | no, I'm broke, sugar is just not workign right |
| 01:34:51 | W|GGL|T | s |
| 01:34:51 | W|GGL|T | l |
| 01:34:52 | W|GGL|T | o |
| 01:34:52 | W|GGL|T | w |
| 01:34:53 | jmhodges | glares at Sugar |
| 01:35:00 | warmi | that could be aut-boot talking ... I am still not convinced :-) |
| 01:35:23 | kergoth | CloudChaser: so how was the vacation? assuming you're you of course |
| 01:35:24 | kergoth | :-P |
| 01:35:29 | CloudChaser | hehe sorry.. reading a week's worth of mail.. |
| 01:35:33 | CloudChaser | vacation was great! |
| 01:35:40 | CloudChaser | we had a nice time :) |
| 01:35:41 | kergoth | good good, glad to hear it |
| 01:35:51 | kergoth | must suck to be back eh? :-) |
| 01:35:59 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:36:01 | warmi | week worth of email ... ah that is always a joy |
| 01:36:12 | warmi | asuming at least 20% of it is NOT spam |
| 01:36:13 | kergoth | curses linux's bk tree for having like 800 compile errors |
| 01:36:20 | CloudChaser | actually .. good to be home |
| 01:36:27 | W|GGL|T | throws a match on sugar's liquor |
| 01:36:31 | warmi | CloudChaser no doubt :-) |
| 01:36:34 | kergoth | smacks W|GGL|T |
| 01:36:35 | jmhodges | lol W|GGL|T |
| 01:36:55 | warmi | sugar help |
| 01:36:55 | Sugar | I'm Sugar, an interactive Pike bot. These modules are currently loaded: babelfish, beer, cyborg, dice, drinks, fortune, google, quote, seen and talk. To get module specific help, type: help <modulename> |
| 01:37:22 | warmi | sugar translate I like myself Hindu |
| 01:37:22 | Sugar | warmi: Syntax: translate FROM to TO [words...] |
| 01:37:51 | warmi | sugar translate ENGLISH I like icecream TO hindi |
| 01:37:51 | Sugar | warmi: Syntax: translate FROM to TO [words...] |
| 01:37:51 | ljp | hmmmmm |
| 01:38:02 | jmhodges | Sugar translate i enjoy things from English to French |
| 01:38:02 | Sugar | jmhodges: Syntax: translate FROM to TO [words...] |
| 01:38:04 | kergoth | undefined reference to num_possible_cpus.. fun |
| 01:38:07 | warmi | sugar translate ENGLISH to HINDI I like icecream |
| 01:38:07 | Sugar | warmi: Valid language combinations are: German to English (de to en), German to French (de to fr), English to German (en to de), English to Spanish (en to es), English to French (en to fr), English to Italian (en to it), English to Japanese (en to ja), English to Korean (en to ko), English to Portuguese (en to pt), English to Chinese (en to zh), Spanish to English (es to en), French to German (fr to de), French to English (fr to en), Italian to English (it to |
| 01:38:11 | W|GGL|T | wow |
| 01:38:18 | W|GGL|T | she's slow tonight |
| 01:38:24 | jmhodges | Sugar translate English to German kick ass |
| 01:38:27 | Sugar | jmhodges: Something didn't work right in the translation. |
| 01:38:28 | treke|home | Sugar: en to en kick ass |
| 01:38:30 | warmi | sugar translate ENGLISH to FRENCH I like icecream |
| 01:38:31 | Sugar | warmi: Something didn't work right in the translation. |
| 01:38:34 | kergoth | sugar translate english to spanish die |
| 01:38:34 | Sugar | kergoth: Something didn't work right in the translation. |
| 01:38:39 | kergoth | smacks sugar |
| 01:38:45 | treke|home | smack NeoTron |
| 01:38:49 | ljp | sugar is broken |
| 01:38:49 | warmi | sugar translate ENGLISH to FRENCH " I like myself" |
| 01:38:50 | Sugar | warmi: Something didn't work right in the translation. |
| 01:38:56 | kergoth | sugar die |
| 01:38:58 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 01:39:00 | warmi | yeah sugar is definately broken |
| 01:39:00 | jmhodges | stabs them all and gets it overwith |
| 01:39:09 | CloudChaser | so whats new and exciting in z world? |
| 01:39:10 | warmi | sugar help beer |
| 01:39:10 | Sugar | A module that allows for giving/getting various things like beer, grenades, trouts etc. There are a number of different syntaxes with magic and often weird, incorrect parsing. Syntax examples: |
| 01:39:11 | Sugar | Can you give me a beer? Could you get a large trout? Give a hand grenade to <someone>. Get some coffee. One Bellheimer please. Make me a milkshake. spank <someone> |
| 01:39:18 | W|GGL|T | sugar put sugar in your gastank |
| 01:39:23 | kergoth | sugar could you get a large trout? |
| 01:39:23 | Sugar | goes into the kitchen, takes out a large trout and hands it to kergoth. |
| 01:39:25 | W|GGL|T | CloudChaser: nothing |
| 01:39:25 | jmhodges | Sugar: spank W|GGL|T |
| 01:39:25 | Sugar | gives W|GGL|T a good spanking. |
| 01:39:26 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:39:31 | warmi | CloudChaser .. frankly not much |
| 01:39:35 | kergoth | sugar get some coffee |
| 01:39:36 | Sugar | pours some coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 01:39:36 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:39:38 | kergoth | woot! |
| 01:39:39 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 01:39:44 | jmhodges | Sugar: thrash kergoth |
| 01:39:49 | jmhodges | :( |
| 01:39:52 | treke|home | Sugar: get kergoth more lkml messages |
| 01:39:54 | kergoth | Sugar: give a hand grenade to jmhodges |
| 01:39:54 | Sugar | goes into the kitchen, takes out a hand grenade and hands it to jmhodges. |
| 01:39:55 | W|GGL|T | can she make a latte? |
| 01:39:56 | warmi | CloudChaser the Java contest is officially on ... so is Sharps challenge |
| 01:39:57 | hunger | kergoth: Damn, I still have that stupid missing atexit() symbol:-( |
| 01:40:00 | jmhodges | hehehehe |
| 01:40:02 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:40:04 | kergoth | treke|home: ahhh i have 700 of those already, man |
| 01:40:13 | kergoth | hunger: ugh |
| 01:40:21 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...i should eat |
| 01:40:22 | kergoth | hunger: are you sure it isnt libc_nonshared not being linked in? |
| 01:40:32 | kergoth | hunger: does nm show the symbol in libc_nonshared? |
| 01:40:37 | warmi | alright .. almost all the apps are "taken" http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/registration.php |
| 01:40:41 | | sig was last seen on #zaurus 8 hours, 56 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: I am a lazy ass [Fri Jul 26 17:44:17 2002] |
| 01:40:41 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen sig |
| 01:40:54 | hunger | kergoth: And I removed striping, even though that could not actually affect things: It strips the files getting stored in the ipk, not those going into staging. |
| 01:40:58 | warmi | wonder how many of these will actually see the light |
| 01:41:07 | kergoth | hunger: oh yeah :-) |
| 01:41:22 | kergoth | Sugar: make me dinner |
| 01:41:22 | Sugar | shakes apricot-flavored brandy, triple sec, juice of 1 lime and ice, strains it into a cocktail glass then leaves lime in the glass and serves it to kergoth. |
| 01:41:25 | hunger | kergoth: This is a buildtime problem. |
| 01:41:27 | warmi | sugar help google |
| 01:41:27 | Sugar | Search google for something. Syntax: search for <list of keywords>. The response is sent as a private message. You can modify some settings by using this syntax: set search hits <max returned hits>, set search display terse and set search display verbose. Use 'search settings' for the current settings. |
| 01:41:28 | kergoth | is confused |
| 01:41:35 | hunger | kergoth: gcc should handle this. |
| 01:41:44 | warmi | sugar search for kergoth |
| 01:41:46 | kergoth | hunger: buildtime problem with what? |
| 01:42:06 | hunger | kergoth: Anything using atexit() (=> any C++ application) |
| 01:42:25 | kergoth | hunger: okay, yeah. so make the linker be verbose and confirm its being linked in |
| 01:42:31 | kergoth | hunger: -Wl,-v or something |
| 01:42:35 | kergoth | hunger: on th gcc link line |
| 01:42:38 | Wembly | w00t! |
| 01:42:42 | Wembly | finaly got myself a cf card |
| 01:42:47 | kergoth | Wembly: congrats |
| 01:42:52 | warmi | Wembly heehhe |
| 01:42:58 | johnix | hi |
| 01:43:04 | warmi | hi johnix |
| 01:43:05 | Wembly | cost me 10.25 for 128mb |
| 01:43:25 | warmi | 10.25 of what ? |
| 01:43:30 | warmi | $ ? |
| 01:43:34 | hunger | kergoth: I'll just call it a day for now and let my computer build a new toolchain till tomorrow. I chanegd a couple of minor things, so I ahve to rebuild anyway. |
| 01:43:36 | Wembly | yea |
| 01:43:38 | Wembly | USD |
| 01:43:40 | hunger | kergoth: good night. |
| 01:43:47 | kergoth | hunger: hehe. k. sleep well. maybe i'll hack at it some too |
| 01:43:49 | warmi | huh ... that cannot be true |
| 01:43:50 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:43:58 | scanline | droolz... |
| 01:43:58 | Wembly | warmi: it is :) |
| 01:44:00 | kergoth | Wembly: howd you pull that off? |
| 01:44:04 | erikd | does anyone know which include I've forgotten that'd cause this error: |
| 01:44:06 | erikd | qwgraph.o(.text+0x1f): undefined reference to `QWGraph::QPaintDevice virtual table' |
| 01:44:06 | erikd | qwgraph.o(.text+0x26): undefined reference to `QWGraph virtual table' |
| 01:44:07 | Wembly | warmi: tho i had some gift cards to kinda helpout :) |
| 01:44:14 | kergoth | Wembly: hah |
| 01:44:22 | Wembly | hehe |
| 01:44:26 | Wembly | you shoulda seen what i did in compusa |
| 01:44:28 | Wembly | omg! |
| 01:44:35 | Wembly | i kept this one giftcard that had like 3 cents on it |
| 01:44:41 | Wembly | for like nearly 2 years. |
| 01:44:46 | Wembly | and completely forgot that i kept it. |
| 01:44:50 | Wembly | it said 50 on it |
| 01:45:01 | Wembly | and i went to use it and the casher had no clue wtf 03 ment. |
| 01:45:12 | Wembly | so he called the manager. and nether knew it. |
| 01:45:19 | Wembly | and i was buying something that cost like 50. |
| 01:45:20 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:45:27 | Wembly | and im like there has to be 50 on it i got it last xmas. |
| 01:45:37 | Wembly | and they were like ok well there must be something wrong with our system. |
| 01:45:43 | kergoth | sweet |
| 01:45:50 | Wembly | and they just credited 50 on my purchase. |
| 01:45:59 | erikd | oooh, nice |
| 01:46:04 | Wembly | so i ended up paying like 5 dollars in tax or somesuch |
| 01:46:19 | Wembly | as i was walking out the store it all came to me wtf the 03 ment. |
| 01:46:24 | erikd | makes a note to keep old compusa cards |
| 01:46:39 | Wembly | im like well crap hehe ooops |
| 01:46:41 | johnix | The US are about to pass a law to allow for RIAA criminals to crack into/destroy your computer if you use Freenet!!!! |
| 01:46:45 | johnix | Please Heeellp |
| 01:47:04 | Wembly | johnix: ummm. |
| 01:47:19 | Wembly | johnix: i thought that hasnt even gotten past congress |
| 01:47:20 | johnix | Wembly: sorry, my article is in French |
| 01:47:37 | Wembly | johnix: and besides the riaa tryed that after 9/11 and failed. |
| 01:47:52 | johnix | this article sats it may pass, because it's backed by democrats and republicans |
| 01:48:12 | W|GGL|T | that bill sucks!!! |
| 01:48:24 | Wembly | johnix: and i have all confidence in the fact that if they do succed with the new bill i have a feeling 'hackers' will just love it cus well.. you can always hack someone if you think they have some of your copywrittin material on it. |
| 01:48:24 | johnix | just like the french government for building nuclear powerplands in my place |
| 01:48:38 | johnix | they tried 5 times, they failed 4... |
| 01:48:44 | W|GGL|T | you know, we should all email gore and complain...after all, he invented the internet, right? |
| 01:48:45 | W|GGL|T | heheh |
| 01:48:59 | codemnky | he doesn't use email |
| 01:49:07 | Wembly | besides you have nothing to worry about if you have a secure box |
| 01:49:22 | johnix | Wembly: that doesn't hold |
| 01:49:24 | codemnky | what's the topic |
| 01:49:34 | codemnky | why would one need to worry and about what |
| 01:49:36 | johnix | Wembly: the only secure boxen I know of are turned off |
| 01:49:44 | W|GGL|T | secure box = relative |
| 01:49:50 | johnix | There is no such thing on earth as a secure box. |
| 01:49:51 | W|GGL|T | or off the internet |
| 01:49:54 | Wembly | wigglit: thank you :) |
| 01:49:58 | codemnky | na |
| 01:50:03 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:50:10 | codemnky | it'a all about managing your ports |
| 01:50:15 | johnix | relatively secure doesn't mean they wont be able to crack into it anyway |
| 01:50:16 | W|GGL|T | store your bootleg shit offline |
| 01:50:27 | johnix | and # shred /dev/hda |
| 01:50:42 | codemnky | nfs you mean? |
| 01:50:50 | W|GGL|T | offline = they'll have to bust your door down |
| 01:50:55 | johnix | W|GGL|T: I intend to use Freenet, so that doesn't work either |
| 01:51:00 | W|GGL|T | besides, they can't monitor EVERYONE |
| 01:51:23 | W|GGL|T | they'll prolly go after someone who's running a shop or something |
| 01:51:37 | johnix | no, but they can break into *your* computer, and erase/steal your data |
| 01:51:48 | johnix | And I'm paranoid, that's my job. |
| 01:51:54 | W|GGL|T | im not worried |
| 01:52:13 | W|GGL|T | if i were, i'd not have important data on my computer |
| 01:52:15 | Wembly | johnix: we arnt just talking about the riaa here btw. |
| 01:52:20 | Wembly | johnix: any copyright holder. |
| 01:52:23 | johnix | and the law is behind them. If they physically destroy your HW, you'll only have your eyes to cry. |
| 01:52:38 | Wembly | johnix: and they can only do a certain amount of damage. |
| 01:52:45 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 01:52:46 | Wembly | johnix: if they do more then that then they can be held responable. |
| 01:52:52 | W|GGL|T | voting power rules |
| 01:52:53 | Wembly | johnix: they being the copyright holder. |
| 01:52:59 | johnix | Wembly: well, but we're only talking about P2P network clients |
| 01:53:09 | Wembly | johnix: since when? |
| 01:53:15 | W|GGL|T | piss off the people and that means no winning elections |
| 01:53:21 | jmhodges | kergoth: you will enjoy this http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992596 |
| 01:53:28 | johnix | Well, that's what my article says, |
| 01:53:29 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 01:53:30 | kergoth | johnix: as warmi said the law will encourage actual hackers to wreak havoc |
| 01:53:38 | kergoth | johnix: you believe everything you read? |
| 01:53:39 | Wembly | wigglit: someone needs to be a 'techno geek' party. |
| 01:53:41 | kergoth | johnix: i thought you were paraoid? |
| 01:53:47 | kergoth | s/aoid/anoid/ |
| 01:53:57 | jmhodges | talking about that damn "MPAA-ok-to-hack-P2p" idea? |
| 01:54:24 | johnix | kergoth: no, but this is from one of the most trusted general-public french newpapers, and it's an issue where I see little incentive for them to lie about |
| 01:54:31 | ljp | just dont share copyrighted material |
| 01:54:33 | jmhodges | hmm.. guess not |
| 01:54:33 | Wembly | darnit |
| 01:54:42 | johnix | (eg it's not about war, the govt, or health) |
| 01:54:46 | Wembly | why couldnt tesla of succeeded in wireless power transmission :/ |
| 01:54:52 | johnix | ljp: I want to install Freenet |
| 01:54:52 | kergoth | johnix: hah |
| 01:55:04 | Wembly | had freenet installed at one point in time... |
| 01:55:10 | johnix | Wembly: some say he did;) |
| 01:55:10 | kergoth | johnix: freenet works decently.. |
| 01:55:11 | Wembly | but i couldnt find anything and had no clue what to do with it. |
| 01:55:39 | Wembly | my biggest problem with freenet is the lack of persistence. |
| 01:55:41 | ljp | Wembly: he did |
| 01:55:43 | kergoth | coaxes 2.5.28 to compile |
| 01:55:46 | johnix | kergoth: yes but then they have carte blanche to break into my computer |
| 01:55:48 | treke|home | just because your paranoid doesnt mean they aren't out to get you... |
| 01:55:58 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:55:58 | johnix | ( although I'm in France) |
| 01:56:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:56:04 | W|GGL|T | enemy of the state! |
| 01:56:04 | codemnky | but we are |
| 01:56:08 | kergoth | good quote |
| 01:56:09 | codemnky | we are watching YOU |
| 01:56:09 | ljp | kergoth: heh make --force |
| 01:56:14 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 01:56:17 | johnix | treke|home: remembre who we're talking about/ |
| 01:56:18 | kergoth | ljp: thatd be handy :-) |
| 01:56:20 | johnix | the RIAA |
| 01:56:23 | johnix | the MPAA |
| 01:56:25 | codemnky | ./monitor --you& |
| 01:56:25 | johnix | and Disney |
| 01:56:39 | johnix | that's enough to get me *really* scared |
| 01:56:54 | jmhodges | is away: errands |
| 01:57:00 | Wembly | johnix: i thought we were talking about copyright holders? |
| 01:57:08 | Wembly | and disney can watch me all theyd like. |
| 01:57:11 | codemnky | please pray with me AOL flops |
| 01:57:15 | johnix | these people wouldn't mind torture for the example if that brought them more money, would they? |
| 01:57:16 | Wembly | they can watch me warship them :) |
| 01:57:26 | Wembly | err worship |
| 01:57:34 | codemnky | warships!? |
| 01:57:41 | treke|home | johnix: Good thing torture is illegal |
| 01:57:44 | kergoth | i want warships too |
| 01:57:52 | kergoth | :-P |
| 01:58:06 | W|GGL|T | why you worried about disney? you got bootleg disney videos? |
| 01:58:17 | treke|home | opens his coat |
| 01:58:26 | treke|home | pssst. Get your disney bootlegs, come get em |
| 01:58:27 | johnix | Wembly: which copyright holder would consider taking away fundamental freedoms in order to watch their copyrights? |
| 01:58:59 | johnix | torture illegal - and breaking into computers too, as far as I remember. |
| 01:59:23 | Wembly | johnix: actualy the us wants it to be legal :) |
| 01:59:31 | codemnky | you guys seen this |
| 01:59:43 | johnix | Now if you read Indymedia on a regular basis you'll know that torture might be illegal, but it's still being used by governments |
| 01:59:53 | codemnky | http://perlgolf.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:00:01 | johnix | eg Berlusconi's Italy against independant media |
| 02:00:13 | treke|home | johnix: good for them, it's probably very effective |
| 02:00:19 | johnix | or Australia against asylium seekers |
| 02:00:24 | kergoth | johnix: of course it is. you're not saying anything exactly revolutionary |
| 02:00:41 | | I haven't seen 'rige99', codemnky |
| 02:00:41 | codemnky | ibot seen rige99 |
| 02:00:46 | W|GGL|T | austrailia has the right to turn down asylum seekers |
| 02:00:49 | | roge99 was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 10 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: :-P [Fri Jul 26 21:50:43 2002] |
| 02:00:49 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99 |
| 02:00:50 | W|GGL|T | like any country does |
| 02:00:59 | | roge99_laptop was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 2 hours, 39 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: is away: ... dinner [Fri Jul 26 00:21:10 2002] |
| 02:00:59 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99_laptop |
| 02:01:05 | W|GGL|T | i wish the us was more like that |
| 02:01:05 | warmi | too bad indymedia seem to target only right-leaning goverments |
| 02:01:31 | | treke|home: excuse me? |
| 02:01:31 | treke|home | ibot needs wildcard matching for seen |
| 02:01:37 | johnix | codemnky: sorry, I can't access Sourcecforge sites. I'm in China, and it's being filtered out of the country (now how's that for being paranoid?) |
| 02:01:38 | | I haven't seen 'treke*', treke|home |
| 02:01:38 | treke|home | ibot seen treke*? |
| 02:01:38 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:01:56 | wildwildwes | i've got the cramfs partition from the sharp rom mounted on my desktop and i'm able to re-create the partition with mkcramfs |
| 02:02:05 | wildwildwes | my only problem is that cp won't copy hard links |
| 02:02:17 | wildwildwes | how can I copy hard links? |
| 02:02:27 | kergoth | wildwildwes: man cp |
| 02:02:35 | wildwildwes | i've done that |
| 02:02:35 | kergoth | wildwildwes: cp -a ought to do the trick |
| 02:02:43 | johnix | maybe an indymedia activist in China would not live long enough to publish anything... |
| 02:02:44 | wildwildwes | kergoth: that too |
| 02:02:46 | kergoth | wildwildwes: do it again, and understand it this time |
| 02:02:57 | W|GGL|T | i need to start making marguaritas when the kids go to bed |
| 02:03:02 | kergoth | wildwildwes: cp a- copies hard links. you cant copy a hard link to a filesystem that doesnt support it. |
| 02:03:03 | johnix | but rest assured we're getting there in Europe. |
| 02:03:43 | wildwildwes | kergoth: does ext3 not support hard links? |
| 02:03:44 | BZFlag | treke: you make a patch and I'll add it. |
| 02:03:49 | kergoth | wildwildwes: yes |
| 02:04:07 | treke|home | BZFlag: I dont care enough to actually work on it :) |
| 02:04:12 | W|GGL|T | sugar make me a marguarita |
| 02:04:13 | BZFlag | treke|home: should be just trailing wildcards. perhaps automatic. |
| 02:04:25 | W|GGL|T | spelling |
| 02:04:29 | BZFlag | so "seen bzflag" shows the most recent bzflag* |
| 02:04:31 | W|GGL|T | sugar make me a margarita |
| 02:04:31 | Sugar | rubs the rim of a cocktail glass with lemon or lime rind and dip in salt then shakes ingredients with ice and strain into salt rimmed glass and serves it to W|GGL|T. |
| 02:04:37 | johnix | http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/ |
| 02:04:46 | W|GGL|T | drools |
| 02:04:49 | treke|home | adds it to his list of things to maybe do one day |
| 02:04:50 | kergoth | BZFlag: thatd be pretty nifty |
| 02:04:59 | johnix | Asutralia has the right to keep asylium seekers out, not to torture them |
| 02:05:00 | kergoth | re Cloud |
| 02:05:13 | Cloud-Z | heya |
| 02:05:16 | kergoth | johnix: you realize you're having a political discussion with yourself right? |
| 02:05:31 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:05:41 | Cloud-Z | hmm |
| 02:05:51 | johnix | ok, I'm making a fool of myself again |
| 02:05:56 | Cloud-Z | kudzu started on my pc |
| 02:06:11 | W|GGL|T | oh shit...can't find my stylus |
| 02:06:16 | warmi | indymedia sucks ... now he is not having it with himself :-) |
| 02:06:22 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:06:26 | kergoth | warmi: you're so generous |
| 02:06:32 | codemnky | do me a favor, if any girls come in here looking for me tell them i'll be right back |
| 02:06:34 | Cloud-Z | says amy nic was removed |
| 02:06:35 | johnix | warmi: thanks |
| 02:07:08 | warmi | no problem |
| 02:07:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:07:21 | codemnky | 8^) |
| 02:08:32 | W|GG-Zaurus | hrmmm |
| 02:09:14 | W|GG-Zaurus | need to find a good wardrive faq/setup page |
| 02:11:17 | W|GG-Zaurus | gonna take the Z out with me when i smoke now |
| 02:11:29 | Cloud-Z | sharp emailed me back about my app that i want to do |
| 02:11:40 | treke|home | Cloud-Z: good news? bad news? |
| 02:11:45 | Cloud-Z | they want scrren shot |
| 02:12:00 | treke|home | screen shot? you say it was done? |
| 02:12:09 | Cloud-Z | no |
| 02:12:20 | warmi | they ask everyone for that |
| 02:12:40 | treke|home | hmmm, never asked me for screenshts |
| 02:12:41 | Cloud-Z | what do i do then |
| 02:13:05 | W|GG-Zaurus | what happens if i walk out of range? |
| 02:13:05 | warmi | what is your app ? can you reveal that or is it a secret ? |
| 02:13:21 | CloudChaser | i didn't make it yet |
| 02:13:30 | CloudChaser | not even sure if i can ;( |
| 02:13:36 | CloudChaser | figured i'd give it a try though |
| 02:13:38 | W|GG-Zaurus | i'm wayyy outside |
| 02:13:52 | CloudChaser | you roaming with your z, W|GG? |
| 02:13:52 | warmi | CloudChaser you are trying to do C++ Qt based app right ? |
| 02:13:59 | CloudChaser | yes warmi |
| 02:14:04 | W|GG-Zaurus | yeah |
| 02:14:09 | CloudChaser | i downloaded qt |
| 02:14:18 | kergoth | okay wish me luck, i'm rebooting onto 2.5.28 |
| 02:14:21 | CloudChaser | then went away so havcen't had a chance to look it over |
| 02:14:42 | W|GG-Zaurus | dark outside...can hardly see the keyboard |
| 02:14:55 | CloudChaser | hehe how far from access point? |
| 02:15:01 | W|GG-Zaurus | rbt? |
| 02:15:20 | W|GG-Zaurus | rbt? |
| 02:15:26 | W|GG-Zaurus | ooops |
| 02:15:50 | W|GG-Zaurus | dunno exactly |
| 02:16:01 | W|GG-Zaurus | im at my mailbox |
| 02:16:38 | W|GG-Zaurus | wish the net mon app would show distance from AP |
| 02:17:45 | W|GG-Zaurus | signal is 50ish |
| 02:21:25 | W|GGL|T | back |
| 02:21:30 | W|GGL|T | fingers are tired |
| 02:22:32 | jmhodges | is back (gone 00:25:38) |
| 02:23:29 | jmhodges | so.. whatd i miss? |
| 02:24:09 | warmi | you missed a heated discussion about merits of indymedia.org |
| 02:24:24 | jmhodges | aaaah intriguing |
| 02:24:37 | jmhodges | what the hell is with all the people that log on and then leave? |
| 02:24:46 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:24:50 | W|GGL|T | they have lives |
| 02:25:06 | jmhodges | seriously though i have seen sooo many people do that here |
| 02:25:10 | jmhodges | lol W|GG |
| 02:25:42 | sjohnson | some of us just like to hang |
| 02:25:53 | W|GGL|T | they are afk |
| 02:26:01 | W|GGL|T | im like that alot during the daytime |
| 02:26:11 | jmhodges | but why would one log on and then immediately log off sjohnson? |
| 02:26:11 | W|GGL|T | the kids hog all my time |
| 02:26:14 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:26:41 | sjohnson | I dont know |
| 02:27:15 | W|GGL|T | oh...you mean Zxcvb |
| 02:27:22 | W|GGL|T | im chatting to him in #slackware |
| 02:27:26 | W|GGL|T | he just peeked in |
| 02:27:58 | W|GGL|T | they are intrigued by the Zaurus |
| 02:27:58 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:28:04 | jmhodges | ah |
| 02:28:04 | jmhodges | why? |
| 02:28:04 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:28:12 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:28:18 | jmhodges | interesting way of expressing taht :) |
| 02:28:34 | W|GGL|T | i was chatting with them when i was outside with the Z |
| 02:28:46 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:29:08 | warmi | W|GGL|T is drawing some shady types to this channel |
| 02:29:15 | W|GGL|T | libranet is being antisocial |
| 02:29:20 | W|GGL|T | LOL warmi |
| 02:29:55 | Zxcvb | is the write protect tab on SD cards supported by the zaurus? |
| 02:30:07 | jmhodges | hehehe W |
| 02:30:11 | jmhodges | er.warmi |
| 02:30:30 | warmi | uh .. is there such tab ? |
| 02:30:35 | warmi | let me take a look |
| 02:30:45 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 02:30:47 | kergoth`rbt | aah |
| 02:30:49 | kergoth`rbt | aha |
| 02:30:49 | kergoth`rbt | doh |
| 02:30:51 | W|GGL|T | there's a little white tab |
| 02:31:02 | Zxcvb | there should be a write protect switch (completely different than the SDMI stuff) |
| 02:31:07 | kergoth`rbt | kernel BUG's are fun |
| 02:31:08 | warmi | oh yeah . a very tiny tab with "lock" label |
| 02:31:12 | warmi | never noticed that |
| 02:31:15 | jmhodges | hehe kergoth`rbt |
| 02:31:19 | jmhodges | rbt? kergoth`rbt? |
| 02:31:30 | W|GGL|T | hrmm...lemme try to write someting on it |
| 02:31:31 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: it does.. iirc |
| 02:31:33 | kergoth | rebooted onto 2.5.28 |
| 02:31:35 | W|GGL|T | something |
| 02:31:39 | warmi | W|GGL|T yeah .. let us know :-) |
| 02:31:45 | warmi | I am too lazy for that |
| 02:31:50 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:31:54 | jmhodges | aaah kergoth |
| 02:31:57 | jmhodges | i seeeee |
| 02:32:00 | jmhodges | so.. |
| 02:32:07 | ljp | wow |
| 02:32:10 | jmhodges | on a dif machine you rebooted? |
| 02:32:11 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:32:16 | W|GGL|T | 'cannot make backup file' |
| 02:32:19 | jmhodges | right |
| 02:32:20 | warmi | kergoth: kernel bugs are like world wide wars .. |
| 02:32:22 | warmi | anything goes |
| 02:32:27 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:32:28 | jmhodges | !! |
| 02:32:42 | W|GGL|T | Zxcvb: yeah, it supports it |
| 02:32:55 | kergoth | someone remind me not to enable kernel preemption when they're revamping locking |
| 02:32:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:33:07 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:33:17 | kergoth | usb-storage exploded |
| 02:33:21 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 02:33:27 | warmi | this kernel preemption is a new stuff , right |
| 02:33:32 | warmi | of course on Linux |
| 02:33:32 | ljp | hey thats progress, tho |
| 02:33:52 | warmi | windows and everyone else ( including his brother) had that long time before |
| 02:34:12 | kergoth | warmi: yes, preempt was merged into the 2.5 tre |
| 02:34:13 | warmi | windows has this another nice ability .. |
| 02:34:38 | warmi | namely automatic "nice" for the app that have active window ( |
| 02:34:46 | warmi | that has active window |
| 02:35:04 | warmi | the thread that runs the window gets some boost in sched priority |
| 02:35:04 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 02:35:09 | W|GGL|T | hates when the Z reboots and it doesn't remember what status the stylus input (HWR/keyboard thingie near the taskbar) was in |
| 02:35:18 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: opie does :-) |
| 02:35:29 | W|GGL|T | and why does it have to reboot after a backup? |
| 02:35:33 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:35:40 | kergoth | bad design? |
| 02:35:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:35:41 | W|GGL|T | im not quite ready for opie yet |
| 02:35:43 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:36:00 | W|GGL|T | yeah, it reboots after a backup to media card |
| 02:36:09 | jmhodges | ick |
| 02:36:21 | W|GGL|T | or is that just MY Z? |
| 02:36:23 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 02:38:33 | Zxcvb | too bad windows is still cooperative multitasking (otherwise, why would the system be busy waiting for the close program dialog to appear) |
| 02:38:52 | warmi | Zxc: it does not |
| 02:38:57 | warmi | man .. that was true with 3.11 |
| 02:39:02 | Zxcvb | warmi: and 9x |
| 02:39:07 | warmi | no |
| 02:39:19 | warmi | 9x has full preemptive scheduler for 32 bit apps |
| 02:39:29 | warmi | only 3.11 apps run in its own 16 WOW enviroment |
| 02:39:30 | Zxcvb | warmi: then why do you see "the system is busy waiting for the close program dialog to appear", even when running only 32 bit apps? |
| 02:39:58 | warmi | this happens only when something goes wrong and it invokes simply system wide modal dialog |
| 02:40:09 | W|GGL|T | you guys lost me |
| 02:40:21 | W|GGL|T | <shooom!> over my head |
| 02:40:22 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:40:44 | jmhodges | dont worry W|GGL|T, happens to me all the time in here ;) |
| 02:40:49 | Zxcvb | yet linux can preemptively multitask both win16 and win32 apps (even win 2.0 apps are preemptively mutitasked) |
| 02:40:50 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:40:57 | W|GGL|T | thought that was only ME! |
| 02:41:08 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 02:41:12 | warmi | Zxcvb of course it can .. cause it controls the emulation |
| 02:41:18 | jmhodges | w |
| 02:41:22 | warmi | so can VMWare .. |
| 02:41:51 | Zxcvb | one thing, why doesn't winxp emulate hkey_local_machine on a per-user basis, so you don't need to be admin to run apps that always write to hklm? |
| 02:41:54 | kergoth | warmi: i doubt that. vmware doesnt operate at that high a level. its much lower than window managemetn |
| 02:42:40 | warmi | kergoth no .. I am not talkign about window managment .. just the idea that it controls execution of everything in its enviroment |
| 02:42:55 | warmi | so you can close or kill misbehaving windows session |
| 02:43:10 | Zxcvb | file, run, c:\con\con, bsod, power off is always neat |
| 02:43:14 | kergoth | warmi: well, you can kill vmware. but vmware doesnt control misbehaving windows within itself :-) |
| 02:43:39 | warmi | kergoth: not windows .. just the entire OS session it runs |
| 02:44:09 | warmi | all I am saying is that it controls the session and therefore if the OS in it gets stuck you can switch away |
| 02:44:23 | W|GGL|T | tried to update 1.9.1 libranet to 2.0 using apt-get and it hosed the whole system |
| 02:44:31 | warmi | he said that Linux can multitask both win16 and win32 .. |
| 02:44:47 | warmi | yeah , it can .. I assume he is talkign about Wine |
| 02:44:55 | Zxcvb | would windows 2.0 be considered win8? |
| 02:45:06 | warmi | uh ? |
| 02:45:32 | Zxcvb | since windows 2.0 was for 8086/286 systems? |
| 02:45:53 | warmi | Zxcvb: hehe |
| 02:46:25 | warmi | the bottom line is that Windows95 does use preemptive multitasking for all of its 32 bit code |
| 02:46:25 | jmhodges | ouch W|GGL|T |
| 02:46:40 | jmhodges | come join the dark side, feel the power of the source.. lunar linux |
| 02:47:03 | Zxcvb | warmi: if that's the case, then windows 9x must have it's scheduler screwed up very easily (like heavy load) |
| 02:47:09 | kergoth | cranks up some NIN |
| 02:47:45 | warmi | Zxcvb it has nothing to do with preemptive multitasking but everything to do with various workarounds to keep older window stuff running |
| 02:48:10 | warmi | like this big ass Semaphore that sits inside of GDI module |
| 02:48:26 | warmi | it gets locked whenver process enters its space |
| 02:48:33 | Zxcvb | warmi: is it true that once GDI resources are used (say by a popup window), they can never be reclaimed? |
| 02:48:46 | Zxcvb | warmi: so enough popup ads, and you must reboot |
| 02:48:49 | warmi | it islike older version of Linux which used very coarse system wide mutex for everythign |
| 02:49:00 | warmi | Zxcvb of course it is not |
| 02:49:07 | kergoth | warmi: lock_kernel() ;-) |
| 02:49:15 | warmi | there are certain bugs but this happens rarely |
| 02:49:28 | Zxcvb | warmi: the mapls/unmapls thing is nasty, too |
| 02:49:57 | Zxcvb | warmi: but as far as I can tell, only bleem uses it |
| 02:50:10 | warmi | Zxcvb what is mapls ? |
| 02:50:14 | warmi | I don't know what it is |
| 02:50:30 | warmi | I haven't done win32 in like 4-5 years |
| 02:50:44 | warmi_brb | brb |
| 02:51:06 | Zxcvb | "...calls MapLS/UnMapLS in a certain way to get back the LDT base address, and then |
| 02:51:06 | Zxcvb | modify it for getting access to ring-0, and then create its own threads inside the VMM |
| 02:51:15 | Zxcvb | (endquote) |
| 02:52:35 | Zxcvb | warmi: did you get that? |
| 02:53:32 | warmi | I am not sure what are you talking about .. some sort of internal Windows call which allows you to hack into ring 0 ? |
| 02:53:57 | warmi | I am not familiar with this stuff .. all I know about Windows kernel was from reading Advanced Windows Programming and couple of other books |
| 02:54:39 | warmi | espcially the book in which author tried to sort of reverse engineer parts of windows api |
| 02:54:40 | Zxcvb | warmi: no, a trick to get ring-0 without using a device driver |
| 02:54:42 | warmi | I forgot the title |
| 02:55:21 | warmi | Zxcvb no , I never done stuff like that .. I know there are all kinds of tricks you can play .. they only stuff of this kind I have done |
| 02:55:24 | Zxcvb | warmi: it relies on being able to use those API calls to get back the LDT base address, and the fact that windows 9x does not have protection |
| 02:55:44 | warmi | was forcing execs to load and link with certain DLLs they were never designed to work with .. |
| 02:55:59 | Zxcvb | warmi: NT/2k/xp will not run bleem because of that trick |
| 02:56:06 | warmi | yeah Windows 95 does not have a full protection the way NT does |
| 02:56:20 | Zxcvb | warmi: bleem relies on that lack of protection to use that trick |
| 02:56:22 | warmi | but it is only to keep 100% compatibility with 3.11 stuff |
| 02:56:34 | Zxcvb | warmi: if only bleem does it, it's no big deal as epsxe is far better |
| 02:57:29 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Progress? |
| 02:57:38 | Zxcvb | is there any news on qpose? |
| 02:58:01 | warmi | Zxcvb well, could be .. you know much more about these programs than I do .. I never played with this stuff |
| 02:58:21 | warmi | Zxcvb yeah .. it is still slow |
| 02:58:22 | warmi | heh |
| 02:58:27 | Speedy2 | Hey warmi |
| 02:58:35 | warmi | what's up Speedy2 |
| 02:58:47 | warmi | Speedy2 you should have entered this Sharp challenge |
| 02:58:54 | Zxcvb | warmi: slow? |
| 02:59:12 | Zxcvb | warmi: that LDT hack came from the wine mailing list, btw |
| 02:59:23 | Zxcvb | warmi: what about removing all the debugging code in pose? |
| 02:59:27 | warmi | Zxcvb yeah .. it is very slow |
| 02:59:31 | Speedy2 | warmi: ANd do what? I'm not writing any programs as of recent |
| 02:59:44 | Zxcvb | warmi: that should speed qpose up, if all the debugging stuff is removed |
| 02:59:45 | warmi | Zxcvb that's not it .. I think it is a compile time switch anyway |
| 03:00:04 | Zxcvb | warmi: what about a better CPU emulation core? |
| 03:00:44 | warmi | Zxcvb this is what needs to be done |
| 03:01:07 | warmi | some sort of ASM based table of function pointers instead of case statement |
| 03:01:17 | Speedy2 | warmi: If I entered the contest, what would I do? |
| 03:01:20 | Zxcvb | warmi: how about a JIT? |
| 03:01:28 | warmi | Speedy2 I don't know :-) |
| 03:01:41 | Speedy2 | warmi: I mean, that's a software programming contest right? |
| 03:02:02 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:02:06 | warmi | you code right ? |
| 03:02:06 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 03:02:10 | Speedy2 | I do. |
| 03:02:21 | Speedy2 | But, I don't have time to write some application for a contest. |
| 03:02:56 | warmi | well, you don''t want to find time :-) |
| 03:03:17 | Speedy2 | If you knew what I have to do... |
| 03:03:49 | jmhodges | hm? |
| 03:04:10 | Speedy2 | warmi: I got my MOSFETs switching. I am a dunce, I forgot a wire. |
| 03:04:11 | warmi | Speedy2 I am just kidding |
| 03:04:26 | warmi | Zxcvb : JIT might work but that would be a lot of work |
| 03:04:56 | Zxcvb | warmi: how about a N64 emu? |
| 03:05:07 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 03:05:13 | Zxcvb | warmi: would probably have to be pure HLE (like UltraHLE) |
| 03:05:20 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:05:33 | | rumour has it contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 03:05:33 | warmi | ibot contest |
| 03:05:41 | Wembly | wtf is hle? |
| 03:05:51 | Zxcvb | Wembly: high level emulation |
| 03:05:55 | Wembly | ahhh |
| 03:06:00 | Wembly | whats that? |
| 03:06:03 | Zxcvb | Wembly: translate N64 functions into C/x86/glide instructions |
| 03:06:06 | Wembly | ahhhh |
| 03:06:10 | Zxcvb | Wembly: no accurate hardware emulation |
| 03:06:19 | Wembly | take blocks of asm and translate them into blocks of other asm? |
| 03:06:32 | Zxcvb | Wembly: or, the only way to run N64 games well at full speed on a P2 300 |
| 03:06:35 | warmi | Zxcvb that won't work for self modifying code |
| 03:06:51 | Speedy2 | Man |
| 03:06:51 | Zxcvb | Wembly: no, take nintendo's standard library code and translate it into C/x86/glide |
| 03:06:58 | Wembly | ahhh |
| 03:07:00 | Speedy2 | Neo could win the game category |
| 03:07:27 | Zxcvb | Wembly: any games that are written directly for the N64 hardware (as opposed to using nintendo's development libraries) will not run at all |
| 03:07:43 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 03:07:48 | Speedy2 | "Drivers for CF cards currently not supported" |
| 03:07:50 | Speedy2 | That I can do. |
| 03:07:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:07:57 | Wembly | ahh so port the library to the new platform and then emulate the instruction set? |
| 03:08:04 | Zxcvb | Wembly: yeah |
| 03:08:11 | Zxcvb | Wembly: sounds alot like wabi for solaris/sparc |
| 03:08:30 | warmi | but there is no chance in hell Z will be able to pull this off with no gfx hardware acceleration |
| 03:08:34 | Zxcvb | Wembly: rarely have to emulate the CPU, since most of the time an app uses API calls |
| 03:08:42 | warmi | even if you were to translate entire lib into ARM code |
| 03:08:51 | Speedy2 | Why would you bother? |
| 03:08:55 | Zxcvb | warmi: cf/sd gfx coprocessor |
| 03:08:58 | Speedy2 | I mean, emulating SNES and NES is fine |
| 03:09:00 | Speedy2 | We don't need anymore! |
| 03:09:05 | warmi | still, that libs calls hardware and this would have to be emulated in code on Z |
| 03:09:06 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: genesis |
| 03:09:06 | Speedy2 | N64 games are like 32MB+ |
| 03:09:18 | Speedy2 | Zxcvb: Ok, Sega Master system and Gensis, fine. |
| 03:09:25 | Speedy2 | But N64? FTHAT |
| 03:09:39 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: just use a linux/x86 box and wireless VNC |
| 03:09:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:10:10 | Speedy2 | Can't wireless VNC when you're on a plane @ 20,000 feet |
| 03:10:32 | warmi | Speedy2 don't get on them then .... |
| 03:10:36 | warmi | they are evil anyway |
| 03:10:41 | Speedy2 | Are you serious? |
| 03:10:44 | warmi | stuff is not supposed to fly like that |
| 03:10:46 | warmi | heheeh |
| 03:10:57 | Zxcvb | yeah, all those copyright terrorists with unauthorized roms |
| 03:10:59 | warmi | yeah . I am very serious :-) |
| 03:11:02 | Speedy2 | You're talking to the wrong dude...my brother is an Aerospace Engineer |
| 03:11:02 | Zxcvb | :) |
| 03:11:24 | jmhodges | my dad is a pilot |
| 03:11:30 | jmhodges | bitch slaps warmi |
| 03:11:45 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: For what airline? |
| 03:11:48 | warmi | yeah .. and I regularly fly Microsft Flight Simulator 2002 |
| 03:11:50 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: Get me some tickets? |
| 03:11:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:11:55 | Zxcvb | you know what is worse than a drunk pilot? |
| 03:12:01 | warmi | two of them ? |
| 03:12:03 | jmhodges | lol Speedy2 |
| 03:12:07 | jmhodges | USAirways |
| 03:12:10 | jmhodges | and no |
| 03:12:11 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: Hook me up. |
| 03:12:23 | Zxcvb | a drunk pilot with a gun |
| 03:12:25 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: Dude, I promise I'll return the plane by sundown |
| 03:12:29 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:12:32 | Speedy2 | Why don't they give them tranqualizer guns |
| 03:12:36 | Speedy2 | WHy does it have to be a real gun? |
| 03:12:41 | jmhodges | takes Zxcvb out back and shoots him in the chest |
| 03:12:46 | warmi | Zxcvb heheeh ... actually I wouldn't mind them having guns |
| 03:12:51 | jmhodges | Speedy2: how about no gun? |
| 03:12:51 | Zxcvb | Speedy2: good point |
| 03:12:51 | Speedy2 | That's retarded |
| 03:12:57 | warmi | they have our lives in their hands anyway |
| 03:12:57 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: Ok, fine |
| 03:12:58 | jmhodges | noooo gun |
| 03:13:00 | Zxcvb | warmi: two words, explosive decompression |
| 03:13:08 | Speedy2 | But if they want a damn gun, why not use a tranqualizer that doesn't travel fast? |
| 03:13:10 | Speedy2 | Like a dart gun |
| 03:13:11 | oGMo | two more words: rubber bullets |
| 03:13:12 | oGMo | :p |
| 03:13:14 | Speedy2 | That can't decompress a plane |
| 03:13:27 | warmi | Zxcvb nah .. that is a myth ... planes don't do that on average |
| 03:13:34 | oGMo | personally i think everyone should be armed ;) |
| 03:13:34 | jmhodges | my dad was in the USAF but theres no way he would be any good with a gun esp. in a cockpit |
| 03:13:38 | warmi | you would have to have a massive structural damage for this to happen |
| 03:13:42 | Speedy2 | No |
| 03:13:45 | jmhodges | most of his friends would be the same |
| 03:13:52 | Zxcvb | warmi: planes don't have bullets through them on average, either |
| 03:13:57 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 03:14:20 | Zxcvb | warmi: so how do you stop explosive decompression when you shoot a bullet through the frame |
| 03:14:27 | warmi | single bullet hole will mean nothing .. unless it was created in the area which was already damaged ( old age etc) |
| 03:14:28 | oGMo | Zxcvb: you use rubber bullets |
| 03:14:29 | Zxcvb | warmi: NASA would love to know |
| 03:14:29 | Speedy2 | Zxcvb: Flux capacitor. |
| 03:14:34 | oGMo | Zxcvb: they don't go through the frame :p |
| 03:14:38 | jmhodges | guns can cause decompressions |
| 03:14:47 | Speedy2 | Two words damn it! FLUX CAPACITOR |
| 03:14:48 | jmhodges | by punching a hole in the frame |
| 03:14:57 | warmi | I read an article recently in Chicago Tribune where guy explained how it works |
| 03:15:17 | Speedy2 | warmi: And you know those guys in the Chicago Tribune have Engineering degrees and all. |
| 03:15:23 | warmi | you would have to use a heavy machine gun |
| 03:15:38 | warmi | Speedy2 they know what they are talking about for they consult with guys who have EE degrees |
| 03:15:39 | Speedy2 | If you broke a window, you'd be fucked. |
| 03:15:50 | Speedy2 | warmi: What would an EE know about Aerospace Engineering? :) |
| 03:15:57 | jmhodges | warmi: EE? um... |
| 03:16:03 | jmhodges | warmi: AE would be better |
| 03:16:05 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:16:13 | Speedy2 | I mean...I'm not a dunce when it comes to Aero...but, uhh...you know |
| 03:16:17 | warmi | oh , that was just a typo |
| 03:16:19 | Speedy2 | Where's Verx when you need him? |
| 03:16:26 | Speedy2 | warmi: We know, we're giving you a hard time :) |
| 03:16:28 | warmi | you know what I was talking about |
| 03:16:31 | warmi | heh |
| 03:16:34 | Zxcvb | how about a system where you have a panic button that if pressed, the plane will automatically land at the nearest suitable airport? |
| 03:16:50 | Zxcvb | the pilot and copilot would each have a seperate code, and each code could deactivate the system once |
| 03:16:55 | jmhodges | how the hell would that work? they dont have auto-landing yet |
| 03:17:01 | Speedy2 | What about a system where everyone engages in ritual fornication? |
| 03:17:02 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: I thought they did |
| 03:17:16 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: for bad weather where the pilot couldn't compensate fast enough |
| 03:17:18 | warmi | Zxcvb all you have to do is to put a knigfe up to his neck and he will deactivate it for you |
| 03:17:21 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: nope.. its very computer intensive but it still requires pilot input |
| 03:17:22 | warmi | they are humans you know :-) |
| 03:17:29 | jmhodges | warmi: agreed :) |
| 03:17:39 | Zxcvb | warmi: once |
| 03:18:02 | Zxcvb | warmi: then someone activates it again, the copilot deactivates it once, and the third time, it can't be deactivated |
| 03:18:44 | warmi | Zxcvb perhaps |
| 03:19:04 | warmi | jmhodges you CAN bring down the plane remotely |
| 03:19:07 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: dude if they are able to control one pilot how would the other one do anything at all? most likely they would have control of the cockpit |
| 03:19:14 | warmi | it doesn't have to completely automated process |
| 03:19:17 | jmhodges | warmi: still requires some pilot input |
| 03:19:29 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: the pilot doesn't have to be on the plane |
| 03:19:32 | warmi | jmhodges not if you install special hardware |
| 03:19:38 | warmi | they did that many times |
| 03:19:59 | warmi | once landing 707 when they were testing new fuel couple of years ago |
| 03:20:14 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: the panic buttons would be in more places than just the cockpit |
| 03:20:14 | warmi | ( it failed .. it burned just as bad as karosene) |
| 03:20:29 | warmi | not a new fuel but something added to the standard one |
| 03:20:29 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: but you just siad the pilot and copilot have them? right? |
| 03:20:36 | warmi | to make it less flamable or something like that |
| 03:20:47 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: the pilot and copilot have deactivation codes to cancel the landing |
| 03:20:55 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: but each code can only be used once |
| 03:21:11 | W|GGL|T | was playing lin city |
| 03:21:15 | W|GGL|T | hard game |
| 03:21:23 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: how many people would not check themselves if the hijackers said "we have your pilot friend dont do ..." |
| 03:21:24 | warmi | Zxcvb this is just too compilcated .. it would be easier to put an armed guard on each plane they way Israel does |
| 03:21:25 | warmi | heeh |
| 03:21:46 | jmhodges | sigh.. how about getting decent ground security first? |
| 03:21:52 | warmi | W|GGL|T linc city is like sim city from 10 years ago :-) |
| 03:22:04 | jmhodges | firearms in planes are just bad news, as are flared tempers |
| 03:22:06 | Zxcvb | warmi: or how about anyone with a gun permit (or whatever to show you can handle a gun safely) is given a gun with rubber bullets |
| 03:22:35 | Zxcvb | or even bean bags, assuming those can be fired from a handgun |
| 03:22:46 | jmhodges | given a gun with rubber bullets.. |
| 03:23:00 | warmi | Zxcvb I don't know .. but , seriously, I read that collateral damage to the plain is not the biggest problem here .. not untill people start shooting with automated weapons etc |
| 03:23:02 | jmhodges | yah .. that would be horrible.. think of the people randomly firing them off |
| 03:23:24 | Zxcvb | how about some gas that would knock out everyone but the pilot/copilot? |
| 03:23:30 | warmi | jmhodges but seriously.. I don't see anythign wrong with giving pilot a gun |
| 03:23:34 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 03:23:38 | warmi | if he is properly trained then what's the problem ? |
| 03:23:48 | warmi | Zxcvb now you are talking |
| 03:23:49 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:23:58 | Zxcvb | but would not cause any permanent damage (does such a knockout gas exist?) |
| 03:24:06 | jmhodges | warmi: "proper training" riiight |
| 03:24:12 | warmi | forget gas .. just decompress the whole thing and don't provide passenger side masks |
| 03:24:18 | jmhodges | warmi: do you know how accurate they would have to be? |
| 03:24:30 | jmhodges | warmi: in an enclosed space its not just the plane thats in danger |
| 03:24:33 | jmhodges | warmi: its the people |
| 03:24:47 | warmi | jmhodges: this is matter of having chance to save 200 lives and not having any chance at all |
| 03:25:00 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: how about a couple people specially trained, and make them look like passengers |
| 03:25:12 | jmhodges | warmi: dude.. pilots are in class for just the plane for huge amounts of time |
| 03:25:17 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: expert marksmen, like from sniper school |
| 03:25:26 | warmi | I would rather have 2 people injured or killed and 198 saved |
| 03:25:40 | jmhodges | warmi: between that and the schedules they take there is no time for gun training |
| 03:25:45 | Zxcvb | warmi: why put the pilot/copilot at risk? |
| 03:25:46 | warmi | jmhodges most of them come from US AirForce anyway |
| 03:25:56 | jmhodges | yes your right but in the USAF |
| 03:26:02 | jmhodges | most never use the guns they are given |
| 03:26:03 | jmhodges | my dad. |
| 03:26:04 | warmi | Zxcvb that is what Jews do .. |
| 03:26:12 | jmhodges | flew flights into and around Cuba |
| 03:26:15 | warmi | they have armed guards on their planes |
| 03:26:17 | jmhodges | they were given one handarm |
| 03:26:19 | Zxcvb | warmi: if the pilots (and no one else) are allowed guns, but no one else, then the terrorists just kill the pilot/copilot by suprise |
| 03:26:32 | jmhodges | and none of them knew anything beyond the most basic use |
| 03:26:37 | warmi | jmhodges they go thru basic training |
| 03:26:40 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: I thought that was in case they got shot down |
| 03:26:42 | warmi | everyone in the army does |
| 03:26:44 | jmhodges | yeah and immediately forget it |
| 03:26:49 | jmhodges | its a side class |
| 03:26:55 | jmhodges | they never use it |
| 03:27:01 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: yes thats right |
| 03:27:03 | warmi | jmhodges : the question here is very simple |
| 03:27:17 | Zxcvb | warmi: surely someone who can shoot out a keyhole at 750 yards can acucrately hit a terrorist |
| 03:27:17 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: one side arm for 3-4 guys in one plane |
| 03:27:34 | warmi | would you rather have a shaky pilot with the guy against a hijacker or two .. or unarmed shaky pilot in the same situation ? |
| 03:27:38 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: what happens when that one hijacker goes down ? |
| 03:27:40 | warmi | the gun |
| 03:28:14 | warmi | Zxcvb i say put every friggin passenger to sleep |
| 03:28:16 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: no, I was saying I thought that army thing with pilots and guns over cuba was in case the plane got shot down |
| 03:28:24 | warmi | and wake them up after the plane lands |
| 03:28:47 | Speedy2 | I say, kill all human population, the world would certainly be a better place. |
| 03:28:52 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:29:18 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: it is in case they get shot down (and thats air force not army .. unless you mean some other thing than what im getting) |
| 03:29:41 | jmhodges | all i know is.. my dad plus his pilot friends plus his union do not want to give pilots guns |
| 03:29:57 | jmhodges | it is a tax on a group of people who are already working their asses off\ |
| 03:29:59 | warmi | jmhodges but there are just as many pilots who do |
| 03:30:21 | jmhodges | warmi: the union and many other unions do not want guns in the cockpit |
| 03:30:24 | warmi | jmhodges they are not working their asses off .. people who flew planes 50 years ago did :-) |
| 03:30:44 | warmi | they are sitting there doing nothing for about 80% of the flight time |
| 03:31:00 | warmi | well, perhaps not nothing, but basically monitoring stuff |
| 03:31:34 | jmhodges | warmi: you do not understand aviation nor do you know what it takes to be a pilot |
| 03:32:00 | warmi | what do you mean I don't understand ? I know how it works .. not every detail but I do know |
| 03:32:22 | jmhodges | warmi: they are working their asses off, yes they are able to get "free time" (of a fashion) but they are trained in case of emergencies |
| 03:32:27 | warmi | they themselves say they don't really do much during the flight beyond monitoring stuff .. perhaps entering some data into flight computer |
| 03:32:34 | jmhodges | there is an expression "practicing bleeding" that they use |
| 03:32:41 | warmi | jmhodges that is a different issue |
| 03:32:48 | jmhodges | they are trained so much that they learn how to crash, they learn sooo mcuh |
| 03:32:51 | warmi | they are very highly trained professionals |
| 03:32:59 | warmi | who has to go thru many hoops to keep their jobs |
| 03:33:11 | jmhodges | its impossible to make them learn more about another section (like firearms) as a requirement |
| 03:33:19 | warmi | but , during their normal work, they are not overly stressed |
| 03:33:26 | Zxcvb | warmi: and who don't do anything but take off, land, and jump in when something goes wrong |
| 03:33:26 | jmhodges | ok great |
| 03:33:35 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: shut up |
| 03:33:40 | warmi | hehehe |
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| 03:33:42 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen sig |
| 03:33:49 | warmi | jmhodges man .. you talking it personally here |
| 03:33:52 | warmi | heh |
| 03:33:59 | jmhodges | sorry .. |
| 03:34:11 | jmhodges | but that makes my dad sound like a coward and i dont like |
| 03:34:12 | jmhodges | it |
| 03:34:17 | jmhodges | damn enter button |
| 03:34:19 | warmi | nobody says that your father is not working hard |
| 03:34:40 | johnix | at least I'm not athe only one;) |
| 03:34:46 | warmi | and I have no idea where you got that notion of your father sounding like a coward |
| 03:35:19 | warmi | I have no problem with his refusal to have guns on the plane |
| 03:35:19 | jmhodges | <Zxcvb> warmi: and who don't do anything but take off, land, and jump in when something goes wron |
| 03:35:32 | jmhodges | that was where i got the coward thing from ^^ |
| 03:35:58 | warmi | I know that having a gun is another great responsibility and I can certainly understand his opposition to it |
| 03:36:25 | warmi | but , on the other, hand , it should be allowed to pilots who want to have that protection |
| 03:36:53 | warmi | jmhodges Zxcvb was kidding and you know that |
| 03:36:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:38:21 | jmhodges | 1) what if they have it taken from them (a possibility you must admit) 2) what if they are not "trained" . 3) if they are "trained" what training is appropriate? |
| 03:38:29 | jmhodges | these are all too complex |
| 03:38:34 | jmhodges | but they are needless if |
| 03:38:52 | jmhodges | ground security if of an adequate ability |
| 03:39:06 | warmi | jmhodges: I know but .. |
| 03:39:11 | warmi | there is always that "but" |
| 03:39:29 | warmi | you can never ensure 100% secure enviroment |
| 03:39:35 | warmi | it will just not happen |
| 03:39:47 | warmi | the better solution is to have an armed guard on the plane |
| 03:39:58 | jmhodges | why is giving pilots guns better than good ground security? |
| 03:40:19 | warmi | no .. ground security is importand but it will never be 100% secure |
| 03:40:39 | warmi | it just won'thappen .. not when folks who do it earn $8/hours |
| 03:40:59 | W|GGL|T | giving pilots guns is insurance...last resort-type insurance |
| 03:41:06 | warmi | precisely |
| 03:41:16 | jmhodges | heh a very poor policy i would say |
| 03:41:18 | W|GGL|T | its not like they're gonna be blasting like rambo |
| 03:41:19 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 03:41:23 | warmi | it is not like they will have shootouts on every other flight |
| 03:41:29 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:41:56 | jmhodges | but how much more likely that the gun will be fired say .. when "air rage" (or wahtever the media likes to call it now) occurs? |
| 03:42:00 | warmi | jmhodges yeah .. but what if everything else fails .. like on Sep 11 th ? |
| 03:42:13 | warmi | I mean these guys entered the plane with a frigging box cutters |
| 03:42:15 | W|GGL|T | its not for air rage |
| 03:42:28 | djmax | hahaah |
| 03:42:31 | jmhodges | yeah your right its not for air rage.. buts its morelikely to be used for that |
| 03:42:32 | warmi | given enough terrorists they can overtake the plane without any weapons |
| 03:42:35 | W|GGL|T | im sure they'll train the pilots to use it as last resort only |
| 03:42:42 | djmax | hey check out my room #poltical it cool |
| 03:42:47 | jmhodges | jesus.. you dont think people will freak? and decide that the "last resort" should be used? |
| 03:42:48 | djmax | I starting new chanells with op |
| 03:43:08 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: the training is impossible! pilots dont have the time! |
| 03:43:18 | djmax | brings in some friends |
| 03:43:19 | jmhodges | they go through so much training NOW |
| 03:43:25 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: they do, if not they can find a different job |
| 03:43:26 | sjohnson | warmi: The Sept 11 hijacker hard their one free change. |
| 03:43:30 | warmi | jmhodges: you are saying that we cannot trust pilots good judgement as to when to use the gun ? |
| 03:43:32 | sjohnson | s/hdard/had/ |
| 03:43:34 | jmhodges | How can they possibly fit more! |
| 03:43:42 | W|GGL|T | if they can sleep, then they can train |
| 03:43:47 | jmhodges | im saying that they cannot be expected to have more traingin! |
| 03:43:54 | W|GGL|T | its not like they cant take an hour a month or so |
| 03:43:55 | jmhodges | damn my fingers |
| 03:44:14 | warmi | jmhodges : well, this is also about their own safety |
| 03:44:17 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: do you know how much of a field day people would have if a pilot missed and hit a passenger? |
| 03:44:26 | W|GGL|T | then we need better pilots who can train like that then |
| 03:44:29 | jmhodges | do you guys seriously think that the pilot wouldnt be lynched? |
| 03:44:35 | jmhodges | LOL W|GGL|T |
| 03:44:41 | jmhodges | You dont seem to get how much they do |
| 03:44:42 | W|GGL|T | i know air force pilots train...and most of them are AF |
| 03:44:46 | W|GGL|T | ex AF |
| 03:45:10 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: yes my dad took classes too, they had one sidearm in their cockpit.. that they all feared that they would have to use |
| 03:45:13 | Zxcvb | jmhodges: he wouldn't be lynched in the air |
| 03:45:18 | warmi | jmhodges: and you know how much heat would pilots who oppose this take if bunch of lunatics were to take over another plane ? |
| 03:45:26 | W|GGL|T | ALL officers in the AF (and the US military) are required to train with weapons |
| 03:45:34 | W|GGL|T | 9mm is the choice weapon |
| 03:45:52 | W|GGL|T | its not hard to train with a pistol |
| 03:45:55 | W|GGL|T | i know...i did it |
| 03:46:09 | jmhodges_ | GODDAMN |
| 03:46:11 | jmhodges_ | i hate timelimits |
| 03:46:15 | jmhodges_ | <W|GGL|T> i know air force pilots train...and most of them are AF |
| 03:46:16 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: that kind of training is more than an hour a month |
| 03:46:17 | jmhodges_ | <W|GGL|T> ex AF |
| 03:46:19 | jmhodges_ | <jmhodges> W|GGL|T: yes my dad took classes too, they had one sidearm in their cockpit.. that they all feared that they would have to use |
| 03:46:34 | jmhodges_ | because none of them trusted themselves |
| 03:46:45 | jmhodges_ | its not like the army/marines/(navy?) |
| 03:46:50 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: did you train to hit a small moving target where both you and the target are being shaken? |
| 03:46:55 | W|GGL|T | its all the same |
| 03:47:02 | W|GGL|T | AF isn't all THAT different |
| 03:47:04 | warmi | jmhodges_ : well, the point is fear of use is bad but fear of inability to do anything in danger is even worse |
| 03:47:05 | jmhodges_ | jaw drops |
| 03:47:09 | W|GGL|T | they are still soldiers |
| 03:47:20 | jmhodges | soldiers that never see theyre opponents! |
| 03:47:24 | jmhodges | almost never |
| 03:47:25 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:47:30 | W|GGL|T | my wife's at an AF base right now...she told me the same thing the other day |
| 03:47:35 | W|GGL|T | but they train to |
| 03:47:37 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:47:43 | W|GGL|T | you think im kidding |
| 03:47:50 | jmhodges | usaf guys are a lot more fun than the otheres ;) |
| 03:48:00 | W|GGL|T | that doesn't make them NOT soldiers |
| 03:48:04 | jmhodges | not so.. stick in the muc :) and a hell of a lot cockier |
| 03:48:15 | W|GGL|T | they say the same oath the America that i did |
| 03:48:22 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: soldier != good w/ firearms in bad situations |
| 03:48:23 | warmi | jmhodges: well, how about axe then .... every pilot gets his own personal axe or perhaps short sword :-) |
| 03:48:36 | W|GGL|T | not so |
| 03:48:39 | jmhodges | soldier != good at close combat |
| 03:48:47 | W|GGL|T | ive been locked and loaded and ready to fire more than once |
| 03:48:51 | W|GGL|T | in foreign countries |
| 03:49:04 | warmi | alright .. enough of this :-) jmhodges cannot handle us all at the same time |
| 03:49:05 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:49:12 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:49:21 | W|GGL|T | they all go thru basic training and the training doesnt stop after basic |
| 03:49:24 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: trying to remember.. sorry.. army or marines? or neither? |
| 03:49:26 | W|GGL|T | its always ongoing |
| 03:49:31 | W|GGL|T | army |
| 03:49:35 | jmhodges | but the training is waaaay different |
| 03:49:47 | W|GGL|T | depends on the unit |
| 03:49:59 | jmhodges | while you guys are training in weapons and hand to hand my dad was learning the mechanics of his planes |
| 03:49:59 | W|GGL|T | i know AF has combat units |
| 03:50:02 | W|GGL|T | sof type |
| 03:50:12 | jmhodges | heh yeah but not many |
| 03:50:34 | Zxcvb | and being able to hit a relatively stationary target at relatively close range is much different than shooting at a moving target, possibly with obstructions, when you are being shaken by the plane as well |
| 03:50:34 | jmhodges | as a whole they are more in flight classes than in combat classes (of the traditional type) |
| 03:50:34 | W|GGL|T | and all of them still have to train with weapons, between getting their fingers greasy, typing, or whatever |
| 03:50:41 | jmhodges | thank you Zxcvb |
| 03:51:04 | W|GGL|T | its a last resort thing |
| 03:51:12 | warmi | Zxcvb yeah .. but not being able to do ANYTHING about incoming danger is even worse you know ? |
| 03:51:15 | jmhodges | they simply dont have the training and should not be requied to have more |
| 03:51:19 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:51:25 | jmhodges | and should not be depened on |
| 03:51:29 | Zxcvb | warmi: that's why you have seperate security people to handle that |
| 03:51:41 | warmi | Zxcvb I agree with that |
| 03:51:43 | W|GGL|T | bah...well, they ARE expected to have them now, eh? |
| 03:51:56 | jmhodges | just because they have training in handguns do not make them able to use them poperly in those situations |
| 03:52:00 | warmi | but , airlines will not got for that solution |
| 03:52:02 | Zxcvb | warmi: expert marksmen who can (with a good rifle) shoot out a keyhole at like 750 yards |
| 03:52:15 | W|GGL|T | not all cops have that experience either |
| 03:52:19 | W|GGL|T | but they carry |
| 03:52:27 | jmhodges | LOL thats their jobs! |
| 03:52:33 | W|GGL|T | depends |
| 03:52:44 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: and why do you think firing a gun out of a moving police car is either banned, or heavily restricted>? |
| 03:52:46 | W|GGL|T | traffic cops deal with traffic |
| 03:52:47 | jmhodges | pilots job is to keep the plane and passengers safe! |
| 03:52:51 | W|GGL|T | they don't normally shoot |
| 03:53:12 | jmhodges | my dad can fly a plane in without and directional means other than shifting power from engine to engiene |
| 03:53:21 | W|GGL|T | and by having a weapon during a possible terrorist attack, that's not keeping the passengers safe? |
| 03:53:21 | jmhodges | s/and/any/ |
| 03:53:25 | warmi | jmhodges: yeah ... you said your father works for UsAir ? |
| 03:53:27 | Zxcvb | pilots job is to fly/land the plane |
| 03:53:34 | jmhodges | indeed and was former USAF |
| 03:53:44 | jmhodges | i meant by flying it W|GGL|T you know that |
| 03:53:54 | W|GGL|T | oh well, tell him to write his congressman |
| 03:53:54 | warmi | jmhodges hehe .. they have computers for that ... |
| 03:54:01 | W|GGL|T | i know I'LL feel safer |
| 03:54:03 | warmi | especially after this Sioux City incident |
| 03:54:13 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: he has written to his congressman about such things |
| 03:54:34 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: if terrorists know the pilots have guns but no one else, then the terrorists will kill the pilots in a suprise attack |
| 03:54:36 | warmi | where pilots were able to land the plane using difference in engine power |
| 03:54:43 | W|GGL|T | its no big deal to me |
| 03:54:44 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: nice :) |
| 03:55:08 | W|GGL|T | Zxcvb: i doubt that...then they couldn't martyr themselves into a building |
| 03:55:21 | warmi | Zxcvb how about .. make the damn door made much harder to get thru |
| 03:55:25 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: if air marshalls who look like ordinary passengers have guns, then terrorists would have to get lucky |
| 03:55:41 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: how hard could it be to fly a plane into a building? |
| 03:55:50 | W|GGL|T | they'd have to get lucky anyways, just to make it to the plane now |
| 03:55:54 | warmi | Zxcvb very hard |
| 03:55:57 | jmhodges | warmi: and besides what if its the pilot that goes crazy and hes the one with the gun? |
| 03:55:57 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 03:56:06 | warmi | very hard if the thing goes at 400 m/h |
| 03:56:06 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: terrorists would just have to train to do that |
| 03:56:21 | jmhodges | all we do is shift it from one place of power to another .. |
| 03:56:22 | warmi | jmhodges : if the pilot goes crazy then it is all over anyway |
| 03:56:22 | W|GGL|T | yep, but its harder now, isn't it |
| 03:56:29 | jmhodges | warmi: not necessarily |
| 03:56:36 | Zxcvb | warmi: on 9/11, the terrorists were at the controls, as no pilot would obey an order from a terrorist to crash into a building |
| 03:56:37 | jmhodges | warmi: theres three guys in the cockpit |
| 03:56:53 | jmhodges | warmi: if none have the gun, one guy can be handled, if one does... where fucked |
| 03:56:55 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 03:56:57 | jmhodges | we're |
| 03:57:40 | W|GGL|T | i dunno why no one did anything on those other non-PA planes anyways |
| 03:57:53 | W|GGL|T | a few terrorists and a shitload of passengers |
| 03:58:10 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: dont overestimate the courage of a group |
| 03:58:22 | warmi | ok |
| 03:58:29 | W|GGL|T | well, that PA plane's terrorists did |
| 03:58:32 | warmi | no guns for the pilots for now |
| 03:58:32 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: because pre-9/11, everyone knew that if you cooperated, most/all of the passengers would eventually be released |
| 03:58:34 | warmi | jmhodges won |
| 03:58:41 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:58:42 | jmhodges | yeah right |
| 03:58:46 | warmi_book | hehe |
| 03:58:49 | warmi_book | see you later |
| 03:58:53 | jmhodges | in debate, you dont win till the others are convinced |
| 03:58:55 | jmhodges | gnight warmi_book |
| 03:59:07 | VerxHome | well warmi |
| 03:59:14 | VerxHome | I went out and bought c++ books |
| 03:59:19 | VerxHome | hopefully they will help me |
| 03:59:21 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: pre-9/11, no one ever thought that hijackers would use planes as missiles |
| 03:59:22 | warmi_book | which one ? |
| 03:59:43 | jmhodges | yow.. ipaq's are getting nailed on theregister "The iPAQ, you know what the problem with it is, surely? It doesn't work." |
| 03:59:47 | VerxHome | Master C++ for Windows (A CBT) |
| 04:00:03 | VerxHome | Teach yourself C++ in 10 Minutes |
| 04:00:06 | Zxcvb | W|GGL|T: just like nobody in troy thought soldiers would hide inside a wooden horse |
| 04:00:09 | VerxHome | and |
| 04:00:10 | warmi_book | 10 minutes ???? |
| 04:00:17 | warmi_book | they down to 10 minutes these days ? |
| 04:00:17 | VerxHome | The C++ Programming Language |
| 04:00:32 | VerxHome | the 10 minutes book is a series of short 10 minute lessons |
| 04:00:39 | warmi_book | VerxHome in any case ... |
| 04:01:01 | warmi_book | you need them .. there is no other choice but to learn C++ if you want to code C++ apps :-) |
| 04:01:18 | jmhodges | shakes Zxcvb, at least we agree on something :) |
| 04:01:21 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 04:01:26 | jmhodges | er.. |
| 04:01:30 | VerxHome | I wouldn't have bought the 10 minute book |
| 04:01:34 | jmhodges | shakes Zxcvb's hand , at least we agree on something :) |
| 04:01:38 | jmhodges | damn my fingers |
| 04:01:38 | VerxHome | but I wanted something that would "get me there from here" |
| 04:01:41 | jmhodges | Zxcvb: :D |
| 04:01:42 | W|GGL|T | fuck...in jsut installed libranet and its fucking up again |
| 04:02:02 | VerxHome | the Stroustrup book didn't strike me as a good learning book for a weekend learning sprint |
| 04:02:03 | VerxHome | :) |
| 04:02:21 | warmi_book | VerxHome yeah ... you don't have to grasp it all .. just for now basic stuff like objects, constructors ... how it all works together |
| 04:02:31 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 04:02:41 | warmi_book | so you can actually start understanding why stuff in qt works the way it does |
| 04:02:48 | VerxHome | yup |
| 04:02:51 | warmi_book | well.. good luck then |
| 04:02:58 | VerxHome | see ya warmi |
| 04:04:01 | CloudChaser | has anyone here used qt designer? |
| 04:04:10 | W|GGL|T | i'll reinstall tomorrow |
| 04:04:14 | W|GGL|T | again |
| 04:04:29 | W|GGL|T | i need to move on to another distro |
| 04:04:54 | Zxcvb | but with terrorism, the best defense is naught but a good offense |
| 04:05:48 | johnix | CloudChaser: i've used Emacs with an app developped with qtdesigner |
| 04:06:02 | johnix | CloudChaser: a real pleasure |
| 04:06:16 | CloudChaser | ok i see that you can make radio buttons, check boxes |
| 04:06:33 | CloudChaser | but can you make a box that will accept text input? |
| 04:06:38 | erikd | on a QPixmap, how do you set how many colors you want it to be? I'm trying to draw a red line to it, but it keeps showing up black |
| 04:07:34 | johnix | it's very clean: one "project file", the generated code kept well apart... |
| 04:07:45 | johnix | CloudChaser: yep |
| 04:08:02 | johnix | ok, gotta go eat |
| 04:08:13 | CloudChaser | ok thank you.. |
| 04:08:33 | CloudChaser | well g'night all.. |
| 04:08:47 | W|GGL|T | nite CloudChaser |
| 04:13:25 | Wembly | drat |
| 04:15:38 | erikd | nm, got it |
| 04:15:47 | erikd | was using the wrong function to set the color :) |
| 04:17:07 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:24:36 | Wembly | if your flashing with a cf card does the cf card need to be completely empty? |
| 04:24:44 | Wembly | or can it have dirs on it and such? |
| 04:25:35 | wildwildwes | i have flashed with a non-empty card |
| 04:25:51 | wildwildwes | i don't remember exactly what it had on it |
| 04:27:48 | Wembly | k |
| 04:27:49 | jmhodges | Wembly: completely empty |
| 04:27:53 | jmhodges | er.. |
| 04:27:59 | jmhodges | at least no files on the top level |
| 04:28:01 | Wembly | i have a documents dir. |
| 04:28:02 | jmhodges | thats what it said .. |
| 04:28:04 | jmhodges | somewhere |
| 04:28:11 | jmhodges | Wembly: i wouldnt risk it but.. |
| 04:28:15 | jmhodges | suit yourself |
| 04:28:17 | jmhodges | :D |
| 04:28:18 | fusion94 | is away: sleeping |
| 04:28:19 | Wembly | and then i have bootflags.txt zimage and initrd.bin |
| 04:29:35 | kergoth | re |
| 04:29:40 | kergoth | finally installed X & kde3 |
| 04:29:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:30:10 | Wembly | wb |
| 04:30:14 | kergoth | thanks |
| 04:31:12 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:31:17 | jmhodges | bah kde3 |
| 04:31:19 | jmhodges | xfce |
| 04:31:30 | jmhodges | aye, she is a purty lass that xfce |
| 04:31:33 | jmhodges | and fast |
| 04:31:47 | jmhodges | easy too, but me dont pertake of rumors oft |
| 04:31:52 | kergoth | ugh i hate cde |
| 04:31:53 | jmhodges | arrrrr |
| 04:32:12 | jmhodges | bah, kde is just a mem hog |
| 04:32:35 | jmhodges | i prefer to use my mem for compiling and such.. not extraneous nothings |
| 04:32:38 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 04:32:42 | jmhodges | but to each his own |
| 04:34:41 | jmhodges | wb angrybsd |
| 04:34:50 | jmhodges | what you up to? |
| 04:34:59 | angryBSD- | hi |
| 04:35:34 | angrybsd | euhh oops |
| 04:36:14 | jmhodges | ?? |
| 04:36:22 | jmhodges | oook |
| 04:36:24 | jmhodges | :D |
| 04:36:25 | angrybsd | hehe |
| 04:36:31 | angrybsd | it connected again with my alternate name i gue ss |
| 04:37:07 | jmhodges | heh yeah |
| 04:49:57 | kergoth_ | re |
| 04:50:03 | siriusnov | yay |
| 04:50:08 | siriusnov | finally uploaded pics of my car |
| 04:50:13 | siriusnov | anyone wanna see? :) |
| 04:50:52 | jmhodges | ill look siriusnov |
| 04:51:32 | siriusnov | http://192.168.2.101/~siriusnova/filez/image003.jpg |
| 04:51:35 | siriusnov | http://192.168.2.101/~siriusnova/filez/image002.jpg |
| 04:51:37 | siriusnov | http://192.168.2.101/~siriusnova/filez/image001.jpg |
| 04:51:45 | siriusnov | I have a crappy digital camera =P |
| 04:53:06 | siriusnov | aaaah |
| 04:53:08 | siriusnov | im an idiot |
| 04:53:18 | jmhodges | connection refused :) |
| 04:53:23 | siriusnov | http:/eviltentacle.org/~siriusnova/filez/image001.jpg |
| 04:53:25 | siriusnov | http:/eviltentacle.org/~siriusnova/filez/image002.jpg |
| 04:53:27 | siriusnov | http:/eviltentacle.org/~siriusnova/filez/image003.jpg |
| 04:53:31 | siriusnov | :) |
| 04:54:06 | W|GGL|T | nice neon |
| 04:54:10 | siriusnov | thx |
| 04:54:17 | siriusnov | i hope to install a turbo in a few months |
| 04:54:23 | jmhodges | nice Sir |
| 04:54:27 | siriusnov | thx |
| 04:54:51 | W|GGL|T | that's the first one ive see that looks nice |
| 04:54:55 | siriusnov | heh |
| 04:55:03 | TrekCycling | anything new in Zaurus-land? |
| 04:55:22 | W|GGL|T | i like the acr models |
| 04:55:26 | W|GGL|T | they need more power tho |
| 04:55:38 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 04:55:42 | siriusnov | acr are nice |
| 04:55:47 | siriusnov | mine is an r/t |
| 04:55:53 | W|GGL|T | 150hp ain't gonna cut it for me, although they are light |
| 04:55:53 | siriusnov | you cant tell cause i removed the emblems |
| 04:56:03 | siriusnov | mine gets around 180hp |
| 04:56:07 | siriusnov | and im gonna install a turbo |
| 04:56:10 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 04:56:17 | siriusnov | which should boost it to around 240 |
| 04:56:26 | W|GGL|T | where you getting the kit? |
| 04:56:32 | siriusnov | jackson racing |
| 04:56:34 | siriusnov | or hahn |
| 04:56:36 | siriusnov | I havent decided yet |
| 04:56:44 | W|GGL|T | i boosted my car's hp output to like 250ish |
| 04:56:53 | W|GGL|T | hahn is good |
| 04:57:09 | siriusnov | yeah 240 hp is a lot for my car |
| 04:57:11 | siriusnov | since its so light |
| 04:57:16 | W|GGL|T | and fwd |
| 04:57:24 | siriusnov | yep |
| 04:57:28 | siriusnov | I was going to go supercharged |
| 04:57:29 | W|GGL|T | lol...you're gonna be lighting them tires up alot |
| 04:57:49 | siriusnov | since it adds 80% of the power where you do 80% of your driving |
| 04:57:54 | siriusnov | on the street |
| 04:57:56 | W|GGL|T | alot of the nonturbo eclipse guys in our car club use hahn |
| 04:58:00 | Wembly | is the oz3 feed all included in oz3? |
| 04:58:07 | siriusnov | but that would really rip up my tires |
| 04:58:21 | siriusnov | + too much power |
| 04:58:38 | W|GGL|T | that's why i got awd...can't stand fwd |
| 04:58:45 | W|GGL|T | and rwd is marginal |
| 04:58:55 | siriusnov | yeah, I know a guy who did an awd conversion on his neon :) |
| 04:59:01 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 04:59:11 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 04:59:13 | W|GGL|T | i'd like to see that |
| 04:59:17 | siriusnov | neons are fun cars |
| 04:59:21 | Wembly | funfun gotta love kernel null pointers :/ |
| 04:59:21 | siriusnov | once you start modding them |
| 04:59:27 | siriusnov | cause theyre light |
| 04:59:32 | siriusnov | and the parts are relatively inexpensive |
| 04:59:34 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:59:38 | Wembly | i think ill be rebooting shortly. |
| 04:59:48 | Wembly | yes.. |
| 04:59:52 | Wembly | definatly rebooting.... |
| 05:00:09 | W|GGL|T | will go wrx as soon as he has a steady job |
| 05:00:09 | Wembly | has a new ver of usbdnet been released? |
| 05:00:17 | siriusnov | the guy who has an awd drive conversion on his neon beat a modded cobra on the strip :) |
| 05:00:20 | W|GGL|T | havent heard |
| 05:00:23 | siriusnov | dunno |
| 05:01:09 | Wembly | herm. and how do we fix a process that is the D state? |
| 05:01:24 | W|GGL|T | i usually tear most v8s new asses but the quickers ones catch me a bit before the finish line |
| 05:01:30 | W|GGL|T | D state? |
| 05:01:34 | Wembly | yes |
| 05:01:37 | Wembly | as in Dead :P |
| 05:01:37 | Wembly | no |
| 05:01:44 | Wembly | actually it means uninterruptable io |
| 05:01:51 | Wembly | according to the ps manpages. |
| 05:01:54 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 05:01:58 | Wembly | ifconfig is in that state |
| 05:02:01 | W|GGL|T | that, i don't know |
| 05:02:03 | siriusnov | W|GGL|T what car do you drive? |
| 05:02:09 | W|GGL|T | ive had that problem before |
| 05:02:18 | W|GGL|T | i got fed up and rebooted |
| 05:02:18 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:02:35 | W|GGL|T | siriusnov: 91 eagle talon |
| 05:02:39 | siriusnov | nice |
| 05:02:40 | W|GGL|T | same as the eclipse |
| 05:02:44 | siriusnov | done anything to it? |
| 05:02:50 | W|GGL|T | http://www.wigglit.com/page2.html |
| 05:02:56 | siriusnov | coo thx |
| 05:03:01 | kergoth_ | re |
| 05:03:08 | W|GGL|T | yeah, its essentially a 13 second car |
| 05:03:19 | Wembly | well im off to reboot |
| 05:03:35 | W|GGL|T | cya soon |
| 05:03:48 | W|GGL|T | re kergoth |
| 05:04:14 | W|GGL|T | gotta fix this damn apt-get config file |
| 05:05:00 | jmhodges | :( |
| 05:05:03 | jmhodges | poor W|GGL|T |
| 05:05:34 | W|GGL|T | anyone else doing debian here? |
| 05:06:16 | siriusnov | FreeBSD here :) |
| 05:06:48 | jmhodges | has everybody already knowing his distro of choice |
| 05:07:07 | jmhodges | er.. make that something that is understandable |
| 05:07:17 | kergoth_ | i'm on debian sid here |
| 05:07:23 | kergoth_ | er no, unstable actually |
| 05:07:27 | kergoth_ | whateer the hell its called now |
| 05:07:32 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:08:12 | W|GGL|T | this one is slackware but my other box is libranet |
| 05:08:33 | W|GGL|T | trying to config the damn sources.list file |
| 05:09:05 | Wembly | brb something just fragged my kernel to bits |
| 05:11:32 | W|GGL|T | i didnt know Yellow Dog was essentially debian |
| 05:11:41 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 05:11:58 | kergoth_ | most distros historically are based on slackware, redhat, or debian |
| 05:13:36 | oGMo | i thought yellow dog was redhat |
| 05:13:50 | oGMo | maybe it was the other ppc dist |
| 05:14:22 | oGMo | let's make a new dist based on... yggdrasil! |
| 05:26:43 | W|GGL|T | damn...finally got apt-get to work |
| 05:28:30 | W|GGL|T | let's see if it blows shit up |
| 05:29:24 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:30:08 | jmhodges | pities kergoth_ |
| 05:34:10 | kergoth_ | just built the nvidia drivers and alsa so i have sound again |
| 05:34:12 | kergoth_ | feels better |
| 05:34:15 | kergoth_ | cranks some music |
| 05:34:17 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...can't apt-get opera |
| 05:35:49 | jmhodges | cool |
| 05:35:58 | jmhodges | nice kergoth_ |
| 05:36:03 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: suck |
| 05:36:04 | jmhodges | wait |
| 05:36:06 | jmhodges | opera? |
| 05:36:14 | jmhodges | enh |
| 05:37:15 | W|GGL|T | opera browser |
| 05:37:43 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Any luck with Flash? |
| 05:38:28 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: not really. I took a break to get my linux box up to speed |
| 05:38:50 | Speedy2 | k |
| 05:39:06 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: still much unpleasantness, and i'm not sure why. bzflag recommends using nfs root.. and possibly trying to get mtd to build modularly.... |
| 05:39:56 | Speedy2 | Newsgroups: dfw.forsale |
| 05:39:57 | Speedy2 | Free - 1 386 33 mhz with MB, hard drive, 31/2 and 514 floppies, 1 with just |
| 05:39:57 | Speedy2 | hard drive, MB and processor and 1 AT case with PS. |
| 05:39:57 | Speedy2 | Pick up in Allen |
| 05:40:27 | Speedy2 | kergoth_: Dunno what to say... |
| 05:40:40 | Speedy2 | Flash sux/ |
| 05:40:40 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 05:40:41 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 05:41:19 | kergoth_ | 'heh |
| 05:41:59 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: I'm going to finish adding the keymaps and audio support back in so thats done once i get past this hurdle.. then i'm going to work on usb networking, and fire up nfsroot per bzflag's suggestion. heh. |
| 05:42:10 | Speedy2 | sigh |
| 05:42:20 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 05:42:29 | Speedy2 | Did you read the Sharp docs? Did it shed any light on the situation? |
| 05:43:54 | Wembly | ok back |
| 05:44:44 | Wembly | ls |
| 05:44:45 | Wembly | ls |
| 05:48:09 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: I need to reread the flash docs. heh. |
| 05:53:27 | cdm | kergoth: so - did ya get it working? |
| 05:54:23 | kergoth_ | cdm: nope, still doesnt like me. mtd layer still believes the flash is read only, despite my attempts at setting VPEN high |
| 05:54:47 | kergoth_ | cdm: but i havent messed with it much since earlier, been bringing my desktop box up to speed |
| 05:55:44 | Wembly | do you generally have to holddown the on/off button for a bit for the system to come back from suspend? |
| 05:57:31 | oGMo | yeah |
| 05:57:53 | oGMo | bbt |
| 05:58:33 | Wembly | omg |
| 05:58:34 | Wembly | wtf |
| 05:58:46 | Wembly | this is freakin insane. |
| 05:59:00 | W|GG-Libranet | still not fixed? |
| 05:59:09 | Wembly | no |
| 05:59:11 | Wembly | omg |
| 05:59:18 | Wembly | my kernel just panic'ed or somejunk again. |
| 05:59:22 | Wembly | wtf am i doing wrong? |
| 05:59:24 | jmhodges | yells at cups, gsview and xpdf |
| 05:59:28 | jmhodges | dammit PRINT MY PS FILE! |
| 05:59:31 | Wembly | it worked before. |
| 05:59:37 | Wembly | im beginning to suspect its oz :/ |
| 05:59:46 | Wembly | and no im not talking about my pda kernel :( |
| 06:00:10 | Wembly | but its the only thing thats changed. |
| 06:02:10 | jmhodges | anyone here skilled at all with printers in linux? |
| 06:05:23 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: Give me the PS and I'll make a PDF for you |
| 06:05:38 | jmhodges | i have the pdf.. i pdf2ps |
| 06:05:44 | jmhodges | it to make it easier |
| 06:05:48 | jmhodges | goddamn |
| 06:05:51 | jmhodges | im pissed now |
| 06:05:55 | jmhodges | im rebuilding ghostscript |
| 06:06:07 | jmhodges | installing the optional fonts.. |
| 06:06:13 | jmhodges | hoping thatll work |
| 06:06:14 | jmhodges | if not |
| 06:06:34 | jmhodges | pulls out a large cluebat and carves his name into it |
| 06:11:07 | jmhodges | hrm |
| 06:11:08 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 06:12:19 | jmhodges | i give up |
| 06:12:26 | jmhodges | all i wanted was the ACLU bustcard |
| 06:12:28 | jmhodges | jesus |
| 06:13:40 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: man, using sourcenav on a kernel tree takes a long fucking time to parse |
| 06:14:59 | Speedy2 | kergoth_: It's like a bazillion files. Give it some time, it's worth it |
| 06:15:49 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: yeah i know.. i'm messing with it now. its like lxr.no but local.. nice |
| 06:22:07 | Speedy2 | like lxr.no ? |
| 06:23:31 | kergoth_ | http://lxr.no/ |
| 06:23:33 | | kergoth_: i don't know |
| 06:23:33 | kergoth_ | ibot: lxr? |
| 06:23:39 | | OK, kergoth_. |
| 06:23:39 | kergoth_ | ibot: lxr is http://lxr.no/ |
| 06:24:24 | Speedy2 | That does not work |
| 06:24:27 | Speedy2 | googles |
| 06:24:31 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 06:24:35 | kergoth_ | ah well |
| 06:24:41 | Speedy2 | No luck |
| 06:24:42 | Speedy2 | What is it? |
| 06:24:46 | kergoth_ | im gonna go take it easy and read a book for a bit. i'll jump back into this later |
| 06:24:48 | Speedy2 | BTW: The AVR's PWM *f'ing* sux |
| 06:24:53 | kergoth_ | its for cross-referencing the kernel teres |
| 06:24:58 | kergoth_ | s/teres/trees/ |
| 06:24:59 | Speedy2 | Ah, I see |
| 06:25:05 | Speedy2 | Did SNAV finish parsing? |
| 06:25:28 | kergoth_ | well, its done parsing the tree, but now its at 17% in 'xref'.. |
| 06:25:39 | kergoth_ | bbiab |
| 06:25:39 | Speedy2 | kay |
| 06:44:04 | Wembly | kergoth: does the new oz3 need a new usbdnet then what the base zaurus distro 2.2 was running? |
| 06:50:45 | Wembly | hello? |
| 07:03:18 | cdm | hurm. |
| 07:03:34 | cdm | so what should I turn on next...LCD I think, and then touch-screen. |
| 07:35:36 | Wembly | cdm: gee arnt we braggin :) |
| 07:35:51 | W|GG-Libranet | is away: I'm busy |
| 07:35:57 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 07:37:54 | Wembly | well im rebooting AGAIN |
| 07:38:00 | Wembly | kills whatever is killing his system |
| 07:38:11 | Wembly | brb |
| 07:46:49 | | cdm was last seen on #zaurus 43 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: so what should I turn on next...LCD I think, and then touch-screen. [Sat Jul 27 08:03:34 2002] |
| 07:46:49 | Speedy2 | ibot: seen cdm |
| 08:06:57 | cdm | Wembly: braggin? |
| 08:15:39 | cdm | back again. |
| 08:23:55 | | NeoTron was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 4 hours, 13 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: Xentac: that would be because the program continues to update the desktop after being minimized [Fri Jul 26 05:10:34 2002] |
| 08:23:55 | scanline | ibot: seen NeoTron? |
| 08:24:08 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 8 hours, 35 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: is away: weekend [Sat Jul 27 00:48:56 2002] |
| 08:24:08 | scanline | ibot: seen Neo|Work? |
| 08:27:06 | cdm | hey scanline - making much pico progress these days? |
| 08:27:47 | XavierXeon | pico progress ? |
| 08:29:16 | cdm | yeah, scanline does picoGui AFAIK. |
| 08:29:24 | scanline | cdm: Yeah.. making progress on a good textbox widget, putting the finishing touches on releasing an SDL port :) |
| 08:29:30 | scanline | I can finally run doom in picogui! |
| 08:29:41 | | i think scanline is a sometimes confused and usually insane embedded systems hacker with a 30-hour day or the original author of PicoGUI or Micah Dowty or mailto:micah@navi.picogui.org |
| 08:29:41 | scanline | ibot: scanline? |
| 08:30:00 | XavierXeon | aah ok. i thought you were refering to the editor |
| 08:30:08 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:22:22 | XavierXeon|Readi | grr |
| 09:25:07 | endr | looking for the best instructions for the zaurus battery pack -- google didn't turn up anything useful but I'm sure it's out there...anyone have a link handy? |
| 09:49:09 | cdm | endr: instructions for what? getting a new one? |
| 10:02:52 | Wembly | urg! |
| 10:04:43 | Wembly | errr. |
| 10:04:57 | Wembly | does openzaurus use the cdcether driver or the usbdnet driver? |
| 10:11:48 | Wembly | herm. |
| 10:11:59 | Wembly | that is one majorly gapeing hole in usbdnet driver.. |
| 11:18:00 | Harlekin | hu |
| 11:24:08 | endr | looking for the best instructions to make a battery packbox to charge the z -- google didn't turn up anything useful but I'm sure it's out there...anyone know where there's a site? |
| 11:54:03 | endr | ...found it...http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/Casio/DennisWolfe/BatteryExtender/BatteryExtender.htm |
| 12:22:07 | George- | how do I rip apart the sharp zaurus?¬!?! |
| 12:22:25 | George- | Is there a hidden screw somewhere? |
| 12:22:32 | | somebody said zaurus was at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. |
| 12:22:32 | George- | ibot zaurus |
| 12:25:28 | George- | no one? |
| 12:29:29 | endr | george... |
| 12:29:34 | endr | ...it's below the keyboard |
| 12:29:42 | endr | ...when extended... |
| 12:30:43 | endr | ...I assume you've found the others? There are about 6/8 in total... |
| 12:31:07 | George- | ? |
| 12:31:18 | George- | ok |
| 12:31:19 | George- | hang on |
| 12:31:29 | George- | yes |
| 12:31:32 | George- | I found the other 6 |
| 12:31:55 | George- | where's this hidden screw? |
| 12:32:02 | endr | I think there's one below the battery compartment too |
| 12:32:07 | endr | if you open the keyboard... |
| 12:32:35 | George- | ok |
| 12:32:36 | endr | ...it's the bottom-rightmost part of the keyboard's face, below the silver cover (sort of by the email key) |
| 12:32:39 | George- | I've opened the keyboard |
| 12:33:20 | endr | you've got to pop the keyboard off. |
| 12:33:32 | endr | try it with the power off, as I've just done it any the apps go nuts |
| 12:33:38 | endr | heh |
| 12:33:44 | endr | s/any/and/ |
| 12:34:14 | George- | AHHH |
| 12:34:15 | George- | I see |
| 12:34:32 | endr | right above the power plug |
| 12:34:37 | endr | find it? |
| 12:34:41 | George- | yeh |
| 12:34:46 | endr | cool |
| 12:34:48 | George- | hopes he doesn't brick his Z |
| 12:35:15 | endr | heh it's pretty tough...I twisted it a lot before I found that hidden screw |
| 12:36:03 | George- | cool |
| 12:36:08 | George- | now how do I take it apart? =P |
| 12:36:09 | endr | it's got to be an FAQ: how many screws hold the case together? |
| 12:36:26 | George- | 12 |
| 12:36:38 | endr | just lift the front face (silver) off the black bit sandwiched between the front & back |
| 12:36:41 | endr | 12?? |
| 12:37:08 | George- | yeh |
| 12:37:09 | George- | 12 |
| 12:37:12 | endr | wow I count 3 around the sides and the keyboard one plus one or two inside the battery case...are you counting the four on the keyboard rails? |
| 12:37:13 | George- | lol |
| 12:37:25 | George- | I thought this was gonna be *easy* to install my screen protector =P |
| 12:37:35 | George- | always does things the *really* hard way |
| 12:37:35 | endr | heh |
| 12:37:40 | George- | I tried it the usual way |
| 12:37:46 | George- | and I screwed up :) |
| 12:38:01 | endr | usual way? |
| 12:38:13 | George- | yeh |
| 12:38:18 | George- | Slide it underneath the sides |
| 12:38:23 | George- | but that screwed up |
| 12:38:28 | endr | aha |
| 12:38:32 | George- | and I damaged the $8 protector |
| 12:38:36 | endr | doh |
| 12:38:40 | George- | lol |
| 12:38:43 | George- | I have 4 :) |
| 12:38:49 | endr | lucky |
| 12:39:03 | George- | nifty |
| 12:39:05 | | endr: excuse me? |
| 12:39:05 | endr | ibot screws |
| 12:39:05 | George- | I got it apart |
| 12:39:12 | | rumour has it faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 12:39:12 | endr | ibot faq |
| 12:39:36 | | okay, George-. |
| 12:39:36 | George- | ibot zaurus is also there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 12:39:39 | George- | cool |
| 12:39:58 | | well, zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 12:39:58 | endr | ibot zaurus |
| 12:40:04 | endr | cool |
| 12:40:27 | endr | is afk |
| 12:40:31 | George- | bye |
| 12:51:30 | George- | hi |
| 13:19:55 | noidd | bah, kernel day today :-/ |
| 13:27:45 | BigBoss | howdy |
| 13:27:51 | BigBoss | CC: You're back? |
| 13:27:56 | roge99_laptop | hey bb |
| 13:27:56 | George- | hi BigBoss |
| 13:28:06 | roge99_laptop | is back (gone 38:06:57) |
| 13:28:13 | Harlekin | BigBoss: where are the screenshots of the racing game |
| 13:28:14 | Harlekin | ? |
| 13:28:29 | BigBoss | I'm not sure if they produced them yet |
| 13:28:53 | Harlekin | multiuser capable? |
| 13:29:01 | Harlekin | via network? |
| 13:29:06 | ljp | ya, cause CloneLabs, LLC now can clone apps from just screenshots! |
| 13:29:20 | noidd | ljp, hehe |
| 13:29:35 | noidd | now that would be a killer app ;-) |
| 13:29:40 | BigBoss | yes, that is our concern of course :) |
| 13:30:38 | ljp | only problem is it only works on tiff files |
| 13:37:26 | George- | uhm |
| 13:37:42 | George- | what improvements does ROM 1.3[7,8] offer over 1.1[2,3]? |
| 13:38:25 | ljp | less/different bugs |
| 13:38:31 | treke|ho1e | it has super cow powers |
| 13:38:52 | George- | lol |
| 13:38:56 | George- | seriously? :) |
| 13:39:28 | George- | I'm gonna lay down OZ until it hits stable-mania, lol |
| 13:40:03 | George- | any news on the SL-5600? |
| 13:40:05 | ljp | yep.. if you say 'Great Googli-Moogli' into the microphone, it will be transformed into Super PDA |
| 13:40:13 | George- | LOL |
| 13:40:25 | George- | roflmao |
| 13:40:36 | George- | 1) There is no microphone ;) |
| 13:40:51 | George- | 2) I can't be bothered to find my microphone |
| 13:40:53 | George- | lol |
| 13:41:15 | George- | jeeez |
| 13:41:26 | George- | Zaurus 5000D's in the UK are picking up $400 on eBay |
| 13:41:37 | George- | *sell sell sell* :) |
| 13:43:28 | ljp | hmmm. one of mine has a mic.. |
| 13:50:26 | George- | huh? |
| 13:50:33 | George- | built in? |
| 13:53:15 | CloudChaser | 'mornin |
| 13:53:30 | Harlekin | oh, hi CloudChaser |
| 13:53:35 | ljp | oh ya, one of my 5000d's has a built in mic.. |
| 13:53:37 | VerxHome | brb |
| 13:53:43 | ljp | right on the side |
| 13:54:00 | VerxHome | so how is everyone? |
| 13:54:13 | VerxHome | is learning C++ this morning |
| 13:54:14 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:54:14 | ljp | smitten |
| 13:54:20 | CloudChaser | heya :) doing well here.. back from vacation |
| 13:54:25 | VerxHome | cool ljp - find ya a gal? |
| 13:54:28 | CloudChaser | mitten? |
| 13:54:32 | CloudChaser | er smitten? |
| 13:54:50 | VerxHome | CloudChaser: Cool, it's been a while since you were around, though I think I saw you yesterday |
| 13:54:51 | ljp | hehhe I dont know.. first word that popped into my head ;) |
| 13:54:57 | VerxHome | I was on vacation last week myself |
| 13:55:01 | VerxHome | ljp: heh |
| 13:55:25 | VerxHome | bought a book called "Teach yourself C++ in 10 minutes" |
| 13:55:26 | CloudChaser | VerxHome: yes i got home last night.. how goes the C++ learning? |
| 13:55:28 | VerxHome | this thing is awesome |
| 13:55:37 | CloudChaser | the book is? |
| 13:55:50 | VerxHome | each chapter is intended to be read and understood in 10 minutes |
| 13:55:58 | CloudChaser | is it working? |
| 13:56:01 | VerxHome | is on chapter 12 |
| 13:56:04 | VerxHome | about 2 hours into it |
| 13:56:09 | VerxHome | and yes, it is working wonders |
| 13:56:20 | ljp | I wrote my first C app in about 4 years |
| 13:56:25 | CloudChaser | do you have other programming? |
| 13:56:32 | CloudChaser | 4 years??? |
| 13:56:35 | CloudChaser | cries |
| 13:56:55 | CloudChaser | i started on the qt designer tutorial last night |
| 13:56:56 | treke|ho1e | CloudChaser: dont worry, ljp is "special" |
| 13:56:57 | VerxHome | I do, a lot, but this book is geared toward someone with NO programming background at all |
| 13:57:09 | VerxHome | ljp: What do you mean exactly? |
| 13:57:14 | CloudChaser | thats what i need VerxHome |
| 13:57:23 | CloudChaser | i have NO experience with programming |
| 13:57:24 | VerxHome | ljp: You started it one day and then waited 4 years to spend another day on it? :) |
| 13:57:35 | VerxHome | CloudChaser: I highly recommend this book to you |
| 13:57:41 | VerxHome | it is from SAMS publishing |
| 13:57:47 | CloudChaser | k thanks.. i'll have a look for it |
| 13:57:50 | VerxHome | it is only $14 |
| 13:57:57 | CloudChaser | i know their books.. and that price is goood! |
| 13:58:02 | ljp | hehhehe.. no, I mean, I havent written an app in C for 4 years |
| 13:58:03 | VerxHome | yup |
| 13:58:21 | VerxHome | CloudChaser: I mean, you will need a good reference book when you are done, but this book will teach you C++ |
| 13:58:38 | CloudChaser | i got a bit stuck on the qt.. the tutorial was good but didn't go quite far enough for what i'm trying to do |
| 13:58:59 | CloudChaser | VerxHome: i'm not sure how far i will get into it |
| 13:58:59 | VerxHome | the tutorial isn't one that will run on the Z |
| 13:59:06 | VerxHome | which was my first issue |
| 13:59:17 | VerxHome | and the tutorial doesn't explain C++ if you don't know C++ |
| 13:59:24 | VerxHome | which isn't the tutorials fault - that isn't its goal |
| 13:59:26 | CloudChaser | right |
| 13:59:35 | CloudChaser | but i wanted to make a different widget |
| 13:59:36 | VerxHome | but it makes the tutorial not as useful to someone that doesn't know C++ |
| 13:59:38 | CloudChaser | i thinkk i did |
| 13:59:46 | CloudChaser | something other than a radio button |
| 14:00:08 | CloudChaser | said i could but not too good on the explanation of how |
| 14:00:43 | VerxHome | well |
| 14:00:48 | VerxHome | the other thing about the tutorial |
| 14:00:57 | VerxHome | is it is all based on code - no use of qt designer |
| 14:00:59 | VerxHome | which is fine |
| 14:01:02 | ljp | you also should look at the qt example code |
| 14:01:17 | VerxHome | but the ONE area the Qt docs doesn't really explain very well is layout |
| 14:01:25 | VerxHome | how to get your widgets where you want them |
| 14:01:37 | CloudChaser | can drag them, no? |
| 14:01:40 | VerxHome | so going from the tutorial to the "real world" is a bit problematic |
| 14:01:42 | CloudChaser | with the designer? |
| 14:01:49 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: Thats what the manual is for :) |
| 14:01:49 | VerxHome | CloudChaser: Yes, with designer, you can drag them |
| 14:02:19 | VerxHome | but then making your program involves moc and that isn't something the tutorial covered at all |
| 14:02:33 | VerxHome | treke: Well, I got myself a good C++ learning book |
| 14:02:40 | VerxHome | I am about halfway to knowing C++ already |
| 14:02:41 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:02:53 | VerxHome | another couple hours or so and I should be a veritable expert |
| 14:03:09 | CloudChaser | i think this is the hard way to do what i want |
| 14:03:16 | CloudChaser | i think database app would do the trick |
| 14:03:17 | CloudChaser | better |
| 14:03:20 | VerxHome | goes back to reading |
| 14:03:30 | CloudChaser | i just wanted to win a z |
| 14:04:14 | VerxHome | me too |
| 14:04:22 | ljp | what apps are you going to write? |
| 14:04:28 | treke|ho1e | CloudChaser: another one? :p |
| 14:07:39 | CloudChaser | treke|ho1e: same one |
| 14:07:52 | CloudChaser | just overwhelmed at the moment |
| 14:08:00 | CloudChaser | another z yes |
| 14:08:02 | Harlekin | CloudChaser: how si documentation progressing |
| 14:08:03 | CloudChaser | for testing and the like |
| 14:08:34 | CloudChaser | Harlekin: i was on vacation.. haven't heard if new oz rom without security is out |
| 14:08:43 | treke|ho1e | CloudChaser: it isnt |
| 14:09:19 | CloudChaser | Harlekin: problem right now is i can't dedicate my z to oz if synching and ftp doesn't work |
| 14:09:37 | ljp | ftp works |
| 14:09:52 | Harlekin | CloudChaser: somebody can it make easily work for you |
| 14:10:05 | CloudChaser | synching? |
| 14:10:06 | Harlekin | CloudChaser: als kergoth need to do is to take a > 8 days old version of cvs and compile |
| 14:10:41 | VerxHome | there should be two sets of packages |
| 14:10:44 | VerxHome | secure |
| 14:10:49 | VerxHome | compatible |
| 14:10:54 | VerxHome | imho |
| 14:11:07 | CloudChaser | yes.. at least until the qt destop new version is available |
| 14:11:13 | CloudChaser | kinda silly it isn't |
| 14:11:16 | VerxHome | exactly |
| 14:11:23 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: might happen when groucho comes back |
| 14:11:32 | CloudChaser | who's groucho? |
| 14:11:38 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: groucho is only ipaq feed |
| 14:11:41 | treke|ho1e | CloudChaser: handles the ipaq builds |
| 14:11:44 | Harlekin | CloudChaser: maintainer of ipaq feed |
| 14:11:50 | VerxHome | CloudChaser: And a new Intellisync |
| 14:11:52 | Harlekin | CloudChaser: and author off an cool coming app |
| 14:12:01 | CloudChaser | oooh |
| 14:12:01 | VerxHome | Harlekin: What cool coming app |
| 14:12:01 | VerxHome | ? |
| 14:12:14 | Harlekin | i think a new intellisync and qtopia desktop is not to far away |
| 14:12:24 | Harlekin | since our security stuff is now in zaurus qtopia too |
| 14:12:27 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: And those are what I'm talking about, kergoth_ already was going to make a compatible package for oz |
| 14:12:30 | Harlekin | so with next rom update ... |
| 14:12:44 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: soon the autobuilders will be in place |
| 14:12:57 | treke|ho1e | excellant |
| 14:14:58 | CloudChaser | Harlekin: soon as rom is ready i'll reinstall it |
| 14:15:12 | Harlekin | CloudChaser: you could still document opie apps |
| 14:15:15 | Harlekin | like drawpad |
| 14:15:19 | Harlekin | today |
| 14:15:23 | Harlekin | and others |
| 14:15:27 | Harlekin | that run on retail rom |
| 14:15:28 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:15:33 | CloudChaser | ah i could do that |
| 14:15:36 | CloudChaser | oki i will :) |
| 14:15:48 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:19:28 | CloudChaser | oz security is in sharp rom too? |
| 14:19:42 | ljp | will it.. patch is from TT |
| 14:20:57 | Harlekin | ljp: no, its even our special version |
| 14:21:00 | Harlekin | -) |
| 14:22:03 | rw2 | anyone know how to force wireless to request another ip from dhcp from a script. Is it as simple as doing a "network restart"? |
| 14:22:04 | ljp | ahh |
| 14:23:04 | hunger | kergoth: I think I figured it out! |
| 14:23:29 | treke|ho1e | rw2: you need to release and then renew, but you cant force a new ip, just rquest one |
| 14:23:36 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:24:24 | rw2 | trekelhoie: I don't really need to demand a new one, just that my ip addr from work don't work at home! How do I release and renew though. dhcpcd doesn't seem to allow that, unlike pump for example... |
| 14:25:03 | treke|ho1e | dhcpcd -k |
| 14:25:04 | treke|ho1e | dhcpcd |
| 14:25:39 | rw2 | I'll try that again. When I've tried before my wireless card started flashing, the connection dropped and dhcpcd just hung. |
| 14:25:59 | treke|ho1e | ejecting and reinserting the card also works |
| 14:26:00 | | sig was last seen on #zaurus 21 hours, 41 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: I am a lazy ass [Fri Jul 26 17:44:17 2002] |
| 14:26:00 | W|GG-Libranet | ibot seen sig |
| 14:26:04 | W|GG-Libranet | is back |
| 14:26:06 | treke|ho1e | or it should work |
| 14:26:20 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 06:50:21) |
| 14:26:28 | rw2 | ejecting and resinserting does *not* work in my case (5500 with a linksys FWIW) |
| 14:26:36 | rw2 | that was the very first thing I tried. |
| 14:27:10 | rw2 | which card do you have? |
| 14:28:23 | treke|ho1e | well try dhcpcd -k and dhcpcd |
| 14:29:17 | rw2 | yeah, I just tried it again. That's a bust on my unit... Just blocks and blocks and blocks. |
| 14:29:28 | George- | does the A300 come with Hancom? |
| 14:29:36 | BigBoss | i think it does |
| 14:29:46 | BigBoss | Sharp is trying to use up their pre-paid license for it |
| 14:36:54 | rw2 | anyone using kismet? |
| 14:37:30 | CloudChaser | i've used it |
| 14:37:37 | CloudChaser | don't have much luck most of the time |
| 14:38:05 | rw2 | I got it to run once and ever since have been getting 'bus error' when trying to start it. Weird. |
| 14:39:39 | CloudChaser | can't really help you there i'm afraid ;( |
| 14:40:08 | rw2 | Yeah, I was just wondering what other peoples experience was. Searching the archives shows that this isn't common! |
| 14:41:05 | CloudChaser | i've just found it either to be unreliable or i don't know how to use it right |
| 14:44:17 | rw2 | The one time I got it running it was pretty cool. Created a log showing all the nodes at my office. Oh well, not the biggest of deals I guess. |
| 14:45:21 | rw2 | My real quest is to figure out how to develop java apps for the Z today. |
| 14:50:45 | codemnky | hello |
| 14:50:50 | codemnky | man i'm bored as hell |
| 14:51:19 | CloudChaser | hiya codemnky; |
| 14:51:27 | roge99_laptop | hey codemnky |
| 14:51:45 | ljp- | write a C program.. you wont be bored |
| 14:52:29 | rw2 | Yeah, now that Sandra Bullock has saved us all from the evil guys at cathedral what's left to watch on TV while I code... |
| 14:55:04 | codemnky | hey |
| 14:55:08 | codemnky | what's going on |
| 14:58:08 | CloudChaser | heya kergoth! :) |
| 14:59:12 | rw2 | anyone using scp to transfer files to your Z? I keep getting "scp: not found" |
| 15:05:32 | prpplague | kergoth: problems with your net connection today? |
| 15:05:51 | CloudChaser | looks like |
| 15:10:07 | rw2 | ln -s /usr/local/bin/scp /usr/bin/scp |
| 15:10:10 | rw2 | Now I can scp |
| 15:11:46 | prpplague | kergoth_: where in the buildroot are you configuring the ram/ramdisk ratio? |
| 15:12:52 | prpplague | oops, i didn't pay attention, i thought he was back online |
| 15:13:08 | rw2 | Sweetness, just got my first java app (granted it was a console based helloworld) running on my Z |
| 15:13:13 | rw2 | That wasn't too hard. |
| 15:13:22 | rw2 | Now to do something gui |
| 15:14:44 | kergoth_ | prpplague: sources/linux.config is the base kernel config.. then sources/linux-*-*.patch.gz are applied to it for each ratio. configs/kernel.mk and configs/kernel-multi.mk (builds all 7 kernels) are the files in question |
| 15:14:54 | kergoth | morning all |
| 15:15:01 | George- | hi kergoth |
| 15:15:35 | rw2 | anyone know what the jvm version is? |
| 15:15:41 | prpplague | kergoth: ok gotcha, i see now |
| 15:16:18 | CloudChaser | hiya kergoth :) |
| 15:16:19 | rw2 | n/m 1.2 |
| 15:16:25 | kergoth | hey CloudChaser, George- |
| 15:16:27 | kergoth | how is everone |
| 15:16:30 | kergoth | yawns |
| 15:16:42 | BigBoss | good |
| 15:16:45 | BigBoss | how you doing? |
| 15:16:53 | kergoth | tired of course, just woke up |
| 15:16:57 | kergoth | good other than that :-) |
| 15:17:21 | kergoth | i woke up, checked my mail, managed to catch up with lkml.. today may be a good day |
| 15:17:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:17:23 | kergoth | brb |
| 15:25:59 | VerxHome | is learning C++ today |
| 15:25:59 | VerxHome | :) |
| 15:26:28 | [George-] | hi Verx |
| 15:26:37 | [George-] | perhaps you can write some drivers for the 8500? :) |
| 15:30:04 | treke|ho1e | not a bad idea, I'm sure it will be better than ati |
| 15:32:44 | cranch | I can flash back to the sharp Rom from OpenZ right? |
| 15:37:33 | [George-] | yes |
| 15:37:36 | prpplague | cranch: only if you kill a chicken and spread the blood around the lcd |
| 15:37:42 | [George-] | prpplague: lol |
| 15:39:07 | cranch | haha |
| 15:39:08 | cranch | nice |
| 15:39:18 | cranch | my zaurus seems to be alot warmer when using OpenZ |
| 15:39:27 | cranch | or am I imagining things? |
| 15:39:42 | cranch | needs the linux - usbnet howto... |
| 15:39:43 | cranch | :* |
| 15:39:44 | cranch | :( |
| 15:40:10 | cranch | George..you run OpenZ? |
| 15:40:11 | | hmmm... howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 15:40:11 | kergoth | ibot: howtos? |
| 15:40:19 | cranch | thanks kergoth :) |
| 15:40:22 | kergoth | np |
| 15:40:22 | [George-] | cranch: That's cos OZ overclocks the CPU to 5000GHz for optimal performance :))) |
| 15:40:28 | cranch | haha |
| 15:40:31 | prpplague | damit, i've misplaced one of cf slot protectors |
| 15:40:49 | cranch | bookmarked the howtos |
| 15:40:55 | [George-] | cranch: The SA1110 doesn't like that :) |
| 15:41:15 | cranch | SA1110? |
| 15:41:24 | [George-] | cranch: StrongArm |
| 15:41:28 | cranch | ahhh |
| 15:41:31 | cranch | doesn't like OC'ing? |
| 15:42:09 | [George-] | I dunno :) |
| 15:42:19 | [George-] | I don't suppose it would like being OC'd to 5000GHz |
| 15:42:29 | kergoth | cranch: he's fucking with you, man. oz doesnt OC :-) |
| 15:42:31 | cranch | haha |
| 15:42:31 | cranch | nothing one |
| 15:42:41 | kergoth | cranch: but the strongarm can be overclocked.. :-) |
| 15:42:41 | cranch | I know it doesn't :) |
| 15:42:50 | cranch | George is one of those cookie mac/gentoo users |
| 15:43:01 | [George-] | kergoth: can it? |
| 15:43:04 | [George-] | cranch: lol |
| 15:43:33 | kergoth | [George-]: yep |
| 15:43:38 | [George-] | kergoth: by s/w means? |
| 15:43:52 | kergoth | hmm source navigator is nifty.. i wonder if i'll actually remember to use it |
| 15:43:56 | kergoth | [George-]: not certain on the deatils |
| 15:44:01 | treke|ho1e | wtf. kde-devel conflicts with uic and qt-designer? |
| 15:44:02 | kergoth | s/deatils/details/ |
| 15:44:09 | cranch | kergoth...my zaurus seems to be warmer than when it ran the sharp rom |
| 15:44:11 | [George-] | kergoth: heh, if it was by s/w, you know what i'd be thinking :) |
| 15:44:13 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: from kde3? |
| 15:44:16 | cranch | is it the way Openz is using the proc? |
| 15:44:17 | [George-] | kergoth: /etc/init.d/overclock start =P |
| 15:44:19 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: dont think so |
| 15:44:20 | kergoth | cranch: no |
| 15:44:20 | cranch | or am I imagining things? |
| 15:44:25 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: not really sure what version |
| 15:44:27 | kergoth | cranch: OZ uses the exact same kernel as sharp. |
| 15:44:30 | carpman | cranch: does it keep the front light on all of the time? |
| 15:44:31 | kergoth | cranch: you're imagining things |
| 15:44:34 | treke|ho1e | hmm, 2.2.2 |
| 15:44:45 | cranch | hehe |
| 15:44:46 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: odd |
| 15:44:47 | cranch | okay.. |
| 15:44:52 | treke|ho1e | very |
| 15:44:57 | cranch | George... |
| 15:45:08 | cranch | did you have to do anything special in gentoo to connect your Z? |
| 15:45:30 | [George-] | cranch: no... |
| 15:45:39 | [George-] | cranch: I just followed the ethernet over usb howto |
| 15:45:47 | carpman | digs wireless ether on his Z |
| 15:46:00 | cranch | I've got usbnet from the gentoo-sources |
| 15:46:01 | treke|ho1e | oh well, I can uninstall all the kde stuff pretty quickly |
| 15:46:27 | cranch | you do the patches though George? |
| 15:47:01 | warmi | re |
| 15:47:02 | [George-] | cranch: those worked |
| 15:47:06 | [George-] | cranch: the patches worked |
| 15:47:32 | cranch | the gentoo ones or the ones on the usb howto? |
| 15:48:00 | [George-] | the ones in the usb howto |
| 15:48:10 | [George-] | it's usbdnet, not usbnet |
| 15:48:49 | cranch | ahhh |
| 15:48:54 | cranch | they are different :) |
| 15:48:54 | cranch | hehe |
| 15:48:57 | cranch | so I should patch... |
| 15:49:21 | carpman | hehe. USB (defective) net. |
| 15:51:07 | cranch | my patch shouldn't fail some parts should it? |
| 15:51:25 | cranch | I get hunk 1 failed at 73 and failed at 90 |
| 15:51:38 | carpman | cranch: what kernel version? |
| 15:51:46 | cranch | running gentoo-sources |
| 15:51:57 | cranch | 2.4.18 with lots of patches :) |
| 15:52:10 | carpman | ahh, it probably has to do with the lots of patches, then. |
| 15:52:54 | treke|ho1e | hey warmi, you ever used tmake to create a makefile for a kde app? |
| 15:53:31 | treke|ho1e | I'm trying to figure out what flags to use in the .pro |
| 15:54:32 | cranch | George...you using vanilla sources |
| 15:54:43 | [George-] | cranch: I'm running vanilla ppc-sources |
| 15:55:05 | carpman | cranch: too much cocolate sauce :) |
| 15:55:27 | [George-] | carpman: more like like treacle :) |
| 15:55:28 | prpplague | the flash procedure sure needs some sort of status indicator |
| 15:55:45 | kergoth | prpplague: ? |
| 15:55:51 | kergoth | prpplague: it does, the email and power lights |
| 15:56:04 | [George-] | kergoth: I think he means like 10% etc |
| 15:56:13 | prpplague | kergoth: i was thinking more of a % |
| 15:56:14 | [George-] | kergoth: like an on screen progress bar? |
| 15:57:23 | warmi | treke: I have never coded a single like of KDE code :-) |
| 15:57:25 | warmi | only qt |
| 15:57:44 | treke|ho1e | ah |
| 15:57:49 | warmi | I think they are using autoconf and stuff |
| 15:57:58 | treke|ho1e | bleh |
| 15:58:41 | cranch | hehe |
| 15:58:52 | treke|ho1e | shit, it is autoconf |
| 15:58:59 | treke|ho1e | guess I'll have to wing it :) |
| 15:58:59 | kergoth | prpplague: um, i dont think the cf updater has the code in it to enable the lcd and shit. heh. |
| 15:59:26 | hunger | kergoth: I think I figured the libc6 problem out. |
| 15:59:38 | carpman | hmmm... why does the windows updater not need a CF card? |
| 15:59:40 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i know, i'm just in b-n-c mode this morning |
| 15:59:58 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 16:00:04 | hunger | kergoth: Now I only need to get this really simple sed script working (without typos in libc6.mk) and we should be set. |
| 16:00:05 | kergoth | hunger: what is it? |
| 16:00:11 | kergoth | hunger: heh, thats it? |
| 16:00:21 | whardier | yawn |
| 16:00:21 | kergoth | hunger: whats it do? |
| 16:00:23 | kergoth | hey whardier |
| 16:00:34 | hunger | kergoth: I used a symlink in a place I should use some text file (...usr/arm-linux/lib/libc.so) |
| 16:00:54 | kergoth | hunger: hah.. so it was like i said right, you need hte path to libc_nonshared.a in that text file? |
| 16:01:35 | hunger | kergoth: I think so:-) I have no proof yet, but I am optimistic that this is the root of all the evil I see. |
| 16:02:56 | kergoth | hunger: cool, let me know |
| 16:03:18 | hunger | kergoth: I will. |
| 16:03:22 | kergoth | hunger: that makes sense.. when ld goes to link in -lc.. itll hit that rather than libc.so itself, and thereby hit libc_nonshared.a.. |
| 16:03:42 | hunger | kergoth: Be afraid! ;-) |
| 16:03:54 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:07:34 | ljp- | ever want to slap customers? |
| 16:08:28 | kergoth | multiple times a day |
| 16:08:59 | ljp- | oly the stupid ones, of course |
| 16:09:47 | kergoth | so 99% of them |
| 16:09:48 | kergoth | :-) |
| 16:10:28 | cranch | is there a trick to getting kismet to work with OpenZ? |
| 16:10:29 | mark | hi all |
| 16:10:55 | kergoth | cranch: install it. run the monitor script. run kismet. |
| 16:11:08 | cranch | aight :) |
| 16:11:13 | cranch | that may have been my problem |
| 16:11:13 | ljp- | cranch: say "Great Googli-Moogli!" |
| 16:11:22 | kergoth | and hop on one leg |
| 16:11:26 | kergoth | dont forget that part |
| 16:11:29 | kergoth | people always forget that part |
| 16:11:35 | kergoth | hey darien |
| 16:11:40 | cranch | one other question.....on my Applications menu..there is an opie-sh HowTo |
| 16:11:41 | darienm2 | hello! |
| 16:11:46 | cranch | and it doesn't look pretty so I want to remove it |
| 16:11:54 | darienm2 | er, two of me? |
| 16:11:55 | kergoth | cranch: you installed opie-sh? |
| 16:12:01 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 16:12:01 | angrybsd | ibot, zsi |
| 16:12:10 | cranch | i believe so kergoth |
| 16:12:13 | erikd | darien! |
| 16:12:21 | darienm2 | hi erik |
| 16:12:31 | erikd | did you see the new toys app? |
| 16:12:35 | darienm2 | hrm.. musta left my nick open at work. |
| 16:12:39 | darienm2 | No, I haven't seen anything. |
| 16:12:46 | kergoth | cranch: so uninstall it :-P |
| 16:12:49 | darienm2 | and I cant do anything now |
| 16:12:51 | erikd | www.erikd.org/toys_0.0.2_arm.ipk |
| 16:12:53 | darienm2 | At home without my cradle. |
| 16:12:55 | erikd | oh |
| 16:13:05 | darienm2 | no wireless, no sync. |
| 16:13:11 | erikd | well, i'm working on the graph right now :) |
| 16:13:17 | darienm2 | psst, dont give away our secrets publicly :) |
| 16:13:35 | erikd | pfft, that's nothing :) |
| 16:13:44 | erikd | just a ton of widgets |
| 16:14:37 | whardier | Widget! |
| 16:14:46 | treke|ho1e | swwwwwweeeet. I got it to compile :) |
| 16:15:38 | darienm2 | whatcha compiling treke? |
| 16:15:44 | darienm2 | vnc? |
| 16:15:52 | treke|ho1e | darienm2: CVS keystone |
| 16:17:06 | whardier | I like having a 2.2MBps xfer rate |
| 16:17:16 | angrybsd | darienm2: i cant even sync w/ my cradle ;) |
| 16:17:34 | whardier | I need to get some gig cards |
| 16:17:44 | darienm2 | angrybsd still having winXP problems? |
| 16:17:45 | ljp- | I need toget a widget |
| 16:17:53 | whardier | I need to get a gidget |
| 16:18:32 | | angrybsd: excuse me? |
| 16:18:32 | angrybsd | ibot, i need to get a fidgit |
| 16:18:53 | | whardier: what? |
| 16:18:53 | whardier | ibot: go fuck yourself |
| 16:19:08 | whardier | hmmm |
| 16:19:09 | | angrybsd: huh? |
| 16:19:09 | angrybsd | ibot, you lie |
| 16:19:11 | whardier | you heard me bitch |
| 16:19:18 | angrybsd | wtf hes all messed up |
| 16:19:28 | | bugger all, i dunno, angrybsd |
| 16:19:28 | angrybsd | ibot, what is you lie |
| 16:19:52 | angrybsd | brb need to try to get this CF reader working |
| 16:19:54 | hunger | Wow, BSD is really angry;-) |
| 16:20:29 | oGMo | damn, missed him |
| 16:21:46 | ljp- | little does angrybsd know that ibot got updated |
| 16:22:09 | oGMo | angrybsd: did you get that linksys card? |
| 16:22:22 | angrybsd | oGMo: not yet, did they take hte offer down? |
| 16:22:37 | angrybsd | i heard its got less reception than some others though |
| 16:22:42 | angrybsd | like only 100 ft indoors or something |
| 16:22:44 | oGMo | angrybsd: dunno, but i did see it on that comparison list, did you look at that..? |
| 16:22:54 | oGMo | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 16:23:05 | angrybsd | ooh wow |
| 16:23:06 | oGMo | at least it looks like it uses less power ;) |
| 16:23:13 | angrybsd | yeah thats not what i looked at |
| 16:23:21 | angrybsd | and it looks like it has damn good reception too i guess |
| 16:23:29 | oGMo | angrybsd: that's outside, too |
| 16:23:35 | angrybsd | ohh |
| 16:23:36 | oGMo | inside will likely not be as far |
| 16:23:49 | oGMo | (i'd think... right? i mean, more obstacles..? ;) |
| 16:23:54 | angrybsd | yeah |
| 16:25:26 | ljp- | colorado needs an ocean beach |
| 16:26:49 | oGMo | ljp-: yeah... just do a little terraforming... few megatons of explosives, and you can sit happily on the shores of Lake New Mexico |
| 16:27:38 | ljp- | no lake.. real ocean.. I was thinking more of the Carribean... |
| 16:28:06 | oGMo | ljp-: vacation time |
| 16:28:51 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 16:28:52 | br33zy | warmi! |
| 16:29:06 | angrybsd | oGMo: i think i might order that card today or tomorrow |
| 16:29:12 | oGMo | angrybsd: cool |
| 16:29:26 | oGMo | i might if i had wireless gear here, but i don't ;( |
| 16:29:44 | angrybsd | oGMo: if it sucks, i can always sell it on ebay for around the same price i bought it ;) |
| 16:29:50 | erikd | is a widget only allowed to have 1 QPixmap? i tried to add another and it keeps segfaulting on me |
| 16:29:56 | oGMo | angrybsd: hehehe |
| 16:30:12 | oGMo | angrybsd: can you get an extended warranty on it? |
| 16:30:26 | oGMo | erikd: you're doing something wrong |
| 16:30:45 | oGMo | erikd: and you probably need to use a layout widget, if you want multiple ones |
| 16:30:47 | erikd | in the header file all i did was add QPixmap bgbuffer; |
| 16:31:05 | erikd | that's the difference between segfaulting and not =/ |
| 16:31:09 | oGMo | er |
| 16:31:24 | oGMo | erikd, put it in your source file, not the header |
| 16:31:27 | angrybsd | oGMo: yeah, but its like $26 extra |
| 16:31:42 | oGMo | angrybsd: if it dies in 3 months, it'd be worth it |
| 16:31:57 | angrybsd | oGMo: good point |
| 16:32:03 | erikd | even if i want it to be a protected global of the class? |
| 16:32:09 | prpplague | hmm, i'm wondering, i've now got x where it segfaults when i touch the ts, would that be considered progress? |
| 16:32:24 | erikd | i'm trying to add 2 widgets on top of one another, one for the background and one for the foreground |
| 16:32:26 | erikd | err |
| 16:32:32 | erikd | i mean 2 QPixmaps |
| 16:32:33 | oGMo | erikd: oh |
| 16:32:42 | erikd | is that bad? :) |
| 16:32:59 | oGMo | i don't think it works that way, are you using a canvas or what? |
| 16:33:11 | erikd | just QPixmap with QPainter |
| 16:33:15 | whardier | a friend of mine bought a 5500 |
| 16:33:23 | oGMo | erikd: onto what widget? |
| 16:33:28 | whardier | they are pretty |
| 16:33:38 | CloudChaser | hiya whardier ;) |
| 16:33:38 | erikd | my own QWGraph widget |
| 16:33:43 | oGMo | whardier: cool |
| 16:33:45 | whardier | hiyi CloudChaser |
| 16:33:52 | whardier | I am gonna go see a bunch of your relatives today |
| 16:33:54 | oGMo | whardier: are they different from the 5000? |
| 16:34:06 | CloudChaser | oh you are, are you? |
| 16:34:08 | erikd | well, i made a widget called QWGraph and it has a QPixmap inside it that i use QPainter to draw on |
| 16:34:09 | CloudChaser | is afraid to ask |
| 16:34:16 | oGMo | erikd: hrmmm |
| 16:34:18 | whardier | CloudChaser: Yeah going to an airshow in 30 minutes :) |
| 16:34:22 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 16:34:24 | CloudChaser | neat |
| 16:34:33 | ljp- | heh blue devils |
| 16:34:34 | erikd | what was that canvas you were talking about? |
| 16:34:39 | CloudChaser | saw there was a crash at one in europe |
| 16:34:42 | whardier | blue angels! |
| 16:34:54 | oGMo | erikd: not sure, i'd have to see your code to get the extent of what's happening here |
| 16:34:54 | erikd | whardier: EAA? |
| 16:35:05 | whardier | erikd: RawR? |
| 16:35:18 | erikd | which airshow? :) |
| 16:35:22 | whardier | the pretty one |
| 16:35:25 | erikd | ... |
| 16:35:35 | erikd | the EAA one in WI? |
| 16:35:35 | whardier | in Fort Collins Colorado |
| 16:35:37 | erikd | oh |
| 16:35:52 | whardier | are you weirdohs having one today as well? |
| 16:36:07 | erikd | the whole week |
| 16:36:09 | W|GGL|T | having a what? |
| 16:36:11 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:36:16 | whardier | thats interesting |
| 16:36:19 | erikd | biggest airshow in the us :) |
| 16:36:26 | erikd | might even be the world |
| 16:36:48 | CloudChaser | hope you have a fun time whardier ;) |
| 16:36:52 | erikd | http://www.airventure.org/ |
| 16:37:53 | prpplague | jmhodges: morning |
| 16:37:55 | CloudChaser | heya jm ;) |
| 16:38:05 | ljp- | whardier's probably going to try to hack into the blue devils wireless network |
| 16:38:10 | CloudChaser | haha |
| 16:38:17 | whardier | bah |
| 16:38:29 | ljp- | make em do stunts they dont expect |
| 16:38:48 | whardier | actually.. Ihave a friend that has his house and wherehouse all in one building right in the airport space |
| 16:38:55 | jmhodges | heya CloudChaser, prpplague |
| 16:38:56 | CloudChaser | neato |
| 16:38:59 | whardier | so we are gonna have a bbq and blow our eardrums out |
| 16:40:18 | whardier | the Blue Angles have a c-130 |
| 16:40:18 | whardier | hehehe |
| 16:40:22 | whardier | called fat albert |
| 16:40:29 | ljp- | maybe the blue devils will use fire retardant in their colored smoke and help out those fires |
| 16:42:00 | XavierXeon | I wrote a bash script for recursive grep and put it on my homepage http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/tools/grep.all (if anyone needs it) |
| 16:42:14 | prpplague | bookmarks |
| 16:42:59 | hunger | XavierXeon: I just use grep -r for that. |
| 16:43:25 | XavierXeon | hunger: grep -r "something" does not work on my Z |
| 16:43:41 | hunger | XavierXeon: Oh, on the Z. Have not tired there. |
| 16:43:52 | [George-] | What do you do if you fry a CPU? |
| 16:43:54 | [George-] | :( |
| 16:43:57 | [George-] | :) |
| 16:44:07 | [George-] | can you get free replacements? :) |
| 16:44:32 | XavierXeon | [George-]: is it a self made pc ? |
| 16:44:47 | [George-] | XavierXeon: well, let's assume it is |
| 16:45:01 | [George-] | lol |
| 16:45:11 | XavierXeon | [George-]: no chance (at least in europe) |
| 16:45:24 | [George-] | XavierXeon: hmm |
| 16:45:34 | [George-] | XavierXeon: What if it isn't? |
| 16:46:31 | XavierXeon | [George-]: however sold you the pc should be responsible for it to be functional. so if the pc fries by bad construction it is there fault. |
| 16:46:45 | [George-] | XavierXeon: lol |
| 16:47:14 | [George-] | XavierXeon: What if it happened in the US, then? |
| 16:47:27 | mark | what happens if you took the fan off and ran it? :) |
| 16:47:34 | [George-] | mark: LOL |
| 16:47:37 | [George-] | roflmao |
| 16:47:46 | angrybsd | [George-]: If the chipmaker could tell that it was your fault then they prob. wont send you a replacement |
| 16:47:55 | XavierXeon | [George-]: in the US you can sue anyone for anything |
| 16:48:21 | [George-] | what if it was a home made system, that you took the fan and heatsink off, and you ran it? |
| 16:48:22 | [George-] | lol |
| 16:48:45 | prpplague | kergoth: is there a reason that mkfifo is not getting built in bb? |
| 16:50:43 | kergoth | prpplague: no reason really. feel free to alter the patch that sets the busybxo oconfnig |
| 16:51:09 | kergoth | prpplague: there are other items we should build in as well, like 'who' .. and i should probably switch from tinylogin to the login/su/etc that are now built into busybox eventually.. |
| 16:51:26 | kergoth | brb, switching to xfree86 4.2 |
| 16:51:37 | angrybsd | where do newly installed applications go |
| 16:51:41 | angrybsd | if you installed them onto hte RAM |
| 16:53:38 | XavierXeon | angrybsd: check /usr/lib/ipkg/info/ for a list of files belonging to each installed ipk |
| 16:54:16 | angrybsd | k |
| 16:57:45 | sjohnson | or use 'ipkg filed <packagename> |
| 16:57:54 | sjohnson | er files |
| 17:04:39 | angrybsd | AHH PUYO PUYO FOR THE Z |
| 17:04:41 | angrybsd | this is great |
| 17:10:26 | whardier | really? |
| 17:12:43 | ljp | coolio... a friend gave me an old computer.. 500 mb drive! woot! |
| 17:17:09 | angrybsd | cool |
| 17:17:15 | angrybsd | i got this old dell for like $5 at a tag sale |
| 17:18:45 | angrybsd | is there a website or FTP that just has ALL of the ipk's out there? or most? |
| 17:18:51 | George- | angrybsd: ipkfind |
| 17:18:57 | | angrybsd: excuse me? |
| 17:18:57 | angrybsd | ibot, ipkfind |
| 17:19:02 | | well, ipkgfind is at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org or at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 17:19:02 | George- | ibot ipkgfind |
| 17:19:07 | George- | that's it |
| 17:19:23 | George- | brb |
| 17:19:27 | | OK, angrybsd. |
| 17:19:27 | angrybsd | ibot ipkfind is ipkgfind, search again dummy |
| 17:20:48 | George- | back |
| 17:25:00 | | it has been said that ipkfind is ipkgfind, search again dummy |
| 17:25:00 | angrybsd | ibot ipkfind |
| 17:25:02 | angrybsd | yay |
| 17:35:54 | VerxHome | ok |
| 17:36:06 | VerxHome | I think I understand enough now to be able to ask a question |
| 17:36:11 | VerxHome | anyone around that knows Qt? |
| 17:36:17 | erikd | i'm learning it |
| 17:36:20 | erikd | maybe i can help :) |
| 17:36:22 | VerxHome | cool |
| 17:36:26 | VerxHome | I am learning it to |
| 17:36:28 | VerxHome | er, too |
| 17:36:31 | VerxHome | here is my situation |
| 17:36:51 | ljp | qt? whats that? a new drink? |
| 17:36:56 | VerxHome | I create a QPushButton thusly: |
| 17:37:03 | erikd | yeah, called QuenchThirst |
| 17:37:14 | erikd | it's actually pretty tasty |
| 17:37:15 | erikd | :) |
| 17:37:22 | VerxHome | btn_stats_str = new QPushButton( privateLayoutWidget_3, "btn_stats_str" ); |
| 17:37:33 | VerxHome | and I am trying to connect something to it like this: |
| 17:38:12 | VerxHome | char_managerDialogBase::connect( &char_managerDialogBase::btn_stats_str, SIGNAL(clicked()), SLOT(numeric_input.show())); |
| 17:38:19 | VerxHome | the compiler is saying: |
| 17:38:42 | VerxHome | 'connect' : none of the 2 overloads can convert parameter 1 from type 'class QPushButton *char_managerDialogBase::* ' |
| 17:38:55 | erikd | i don't think you need the whole class name |
| 17:39:12 | VerxHome | This is the first time I have tried to do a connect outside of a tutorial - ie, this is the first time I have written one in the real world |
| 17:39:24 | erikd | did you try it with just connect(btn_stats_str ... ? |
| 17:39:30 | ljp | yep |
| 17:39:32 | VerxHome | yeah, it doesn't know the symbol |
| 17:39:37 | XavierXeon | connect(btn_stats_str, SIGNAL(clicked()), SLOT(numeric_input.show())); should do |
| 17:39:56 | erikd | are you connecting within the constructor for the widget/ |
| 17:39:57 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: That is how the tutorial shows it |
| 17:40:04 | erikd | ? |
| 17:40:04 | VerxHome | but I can't seem to do it that simply |
| 17:40:11 | XavierXeon | hang on is numeric input an extra class ? |
| 17:40:32 | VerxHome | numeric_input is a dialog |
| 17:40:45 | VerxHome | or I should say an instantiation of a dialog |
| 17:40:56 | XavierXeon | connect(btn_stats_str, SIGNAL(clicked()),numeric_input, SLOT(show())); |
| 17:41:42 | prpplague | ljp: any word from fastolfe? |
| 17:41:54 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: 'btn_stats_str' : undeclared identifier |
| 17:42:16 | VerxHome | that is why I was doing char_managerDialogBase::btn_stats_str |
| 17:42:22 | VerxHome | then at least it knew what it was. . . |
| 17:42:51 | XavierXeon | did you declare both bt_starts_str and numeric_input in the header of the calss you do the connect in ? |
| 17:43:07 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 17:43:12 | VerxHome | that is likely my problem. . . |
| 17:43:17 | VerxHome | I am not doing the connect in a class |
| 17:43:20 | VerxHome | I am doing it in main() |
| 17:43:24 | VerxHome | like the tutorial did |
| 17:43:31 | ljp | prpplague: not yet |
| 17:43:42 | erikd | try doing it in the constructor of the parent class |
| 17:43:52 | erikd | parent of the button* |
| 17:43:57 | VerxHome | ok |
| 17:43:59 | VerxHome | lemme try that |
| 17:43:59 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: should also work if you declared both within the main() function |
| 17:43:59 | VerxHome | thanks |
| 17:44:09 | prpplague | ljp: well i've made considerable progress, the only thing i'm lacking is the guts of the ztsd app |
| 17:46:07 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: the button is declared outside of main |
| 17:46:39 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: you can send me the code if you like |
| 17:46:53 | VerxHome | let me try doing the connect in the constructor |
| 17:46:58 | mark | hi warmi |
| 17:47:00 | VerxHome | if I am still lost after that, I will take you up on it |
| 17:47:02 | warmi | hi mark |
| 17:47:46 | ljp | VerxHome: you can also look at the qt example apps, a few are really simple |
| 17:48:25 | VerxHome | ljp: yeah, let me do that now that I understand C++ better - any specific ones you can suggest? |
| 17:50:10 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: doc/examples has plenty of stuff to look at |
| 17:50:36 | VerxHome | ok, I put the connect inside my constructor |
| 17:50:42 | VerxHome | of the parent |
| 17:51:03 | VerxHome | I am having trouble with numeric_input though |
| 17:51:19 | VerxHome | it says it is an undeclared identifier. . . |
| 17:51:24 | VerxHome | thinks |
| 17:51:41 | VerxHome | I may not be able to do what I want |
| 17:51:56 | VerxHome | I am trying to make it so that clicking a button pops up a new dialog |
| 17:52:23 | VerxHome | but if the dialog hasn't been created yet, how can I do that? |
| 17:52:50 | VerxHome | looks at some of the qt examples |
| 17:53:11 | VerxHome | anyone know if there is an example program that pops up a dialog when you do something? |
| 17:53:12 | XavierXeon | make the button connect to a function (slot) of the same class and create the dialog there |
| 17:53:42 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: Ok, currently I have my main dialog, and this "pop up" dialog. They are different classes |
| 17:53:50 | VerxHome | it sounds like they need to be the same class for this to work? |
| 17:54:27 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: no. i the main dialog create a slot which is connected to the button (in the constructor) |
| 17:54:59 | XavierXeon | in the slot function you create an instance of the pop up dialog |
| 17:55:13 | VerxHome | ok, that makes sense! |
| 17:58:28 | VerxHome | AHHHHHH |
| 17:59:34 | VerxHome | so now we have public/private/slots |
| 17:59:47 | VerxHome | it is another specifier in your class just like public would be |
| 17:59:49 | VerxHome | I get it now |
| 18:00:04 | VerxHome | signals are the same thing |
| 18:00:16 | XavierXeon | its actually "private slots" and "public slots" |
| 18:00:23 | VerxHome | oh |
| 18:00:35 | VerxHome | so just like not specifying anything in normal C++ would be private |
| 18:00:46 | VerxHome | specifying simply slots: would be the same as "private slots:" ? |
| 18:01:44 | XavierXeon | by default everything should be private (or protected) if you do not want it to "visible" outside of your class |
| 18:01:59 | VerxHome | got it |
| 18:02:11 | VerxHome | I just haven't ever done anything beyond public/private/protected |
| 18:02:23 | VerxHome | now I have public/private/protected slots and signals too |
| 18:02:24 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:02:46 | XavierXeon | yeah that is about all you need to know :) |
| 18:02:58 | VerxHome | it makes a lot more sense now |
| 18:03:11 | VerxHome | (I didn't know much of any C++ until a day or so ago) |
| 18:03:28 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: that is good progress then ! |
| 18:03:41 | VerxHome | I think so |
| 18:03:42 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:03:59 | VerxHome | if I can get this button to pop up the dialog, I am gonna be a world better off than I am now |
| 18:05:54 | ljp | buttons are easy |
| 18:06:04 | VerxHome | I am sure they are ljp |
| 18:06:22 | VerxHome | but I have to wade through how to write from scratch all the connection pieces in like 4 or 5 seperate files |
| 18:06:29 | VerxHome | that is what isn't obvious to me yet |
| 18:06:34 | VerxHome | what all the pieces are |
| 18:06:50 | VerxHome | ok |
| 18:06:53 | VerxHome | so in my header |
| 18:06:54 | VerxHome | I do: |
| 18:06:57 | VerxHome | public slot: |
| 18:07:04 | VerxHome | void open_numeric_input(); |
| 18:07:09 | XavierXeon | s/slot/slots/ !! |
| 18:07:26 | VerxHome | that says I have a slot function called open_numeric_input |
| 18:07:30 | VerxHome | (sorry, slots, not slot) |
| 18:07:44 | VerxHome | and then I can go into my .cpp file and write that function out |
| 18:10:07 | XavierXeon | void MainDialog::open_numeric_input(){ popDialog=new MyPopDialog(); popDialog->show(); } |
| 18:11:22 | VerxHome | ok, so my slot function is something like: |
| 18:11:32 | VerxHome | void char_managerDialog::open_numeric_input() |
| 18:11:35 | VerxHome | { |
| 18:11:56 | VerxHome | numeric_input.show(); |
| 18:11:56 | VerxHome | } |
| 18:12:17 | VerxHome | except since numeric_input dialog doesn't exist, I am thinking what I really need to do is instantiate it right there in the function |
| 18:12:25 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 18:13:04 | George- | does 8 pins offer 256 combinations? |
| 18:13:10 | VerxHome | so it goes: |
| 18:13:13 | VerxHome | void char_managerDialog::open_numeric_input() |
| 18:13:14 | VerxHome | { |
| 18:13:25 | VerxHome | numeric_inputDialog numeric_input( 0, 0, TRUE ); |
| 18:13:29 | VerxHome | numeric_input.show(); |
| 18:13:30 | VerxHome | } |
| 18:13:34 | XavierXeon | 8 pins = 2^8 combinations |
| 18:13:44 | George- | XavierXeon: == 256, right? |
| 18:13:44 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: correct |
| 18:13:54 | VerxHome | lemme see if it will build |
| 18:14:09 | XavierXeon | George-: think so but do not have a calculator handy |
| 18:14:25 | George- | hmm |
| 18:14:30 | George- | 8 bit color == 256 colours |
| 18:14:30 | George- | so |
| 18:14:34 | George- | I assume so :) |
| 18:15:12 | VerxHome | yeah, as I suspected, since I am writing open_numeric_input inside a different class, the compiler is saying: 'numeric_input' : undeclared identifier |
| 18:15:51 | George- | wonders how to put this zaurus back together.... |
| 18:16:22 | XavierXeon | must be the same class as the button |
| 18:16:40 | VerxHome | the dialog I am opening with the button |
| 18:16:45 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 18:16:47 | VerxHome | must be the same class as the button itself? |
| 18:16:48 | VerxHome | ok |
| 18:16:52 | VerxHome | then I need to fix that up |
| 18:16:52 | XavierXeon | no |
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| 18:16:59 | W|GG-Libranet | ibot seen sig |
| 18:17:22 | XavierXeon | it must be the same class the button is used in |
| 18:17:49 | VerxHome | ok |
| 18:17:56 | VerxHome | so if I have maindialog as a class |
| 18:18:01 | VerxHome | and that dialog has a button in it |
| 18:18:10 | VerxHome | that I want to have open another dialog |
| 18:18:18 | VerxHome | and that other dialog is in otherdialog class |
| 18:18:22 | VerxHome | I am able to do this |
| 18:19:03 | NeoTron | ' |
| 18:19:03 | XavierXeon | void maindialog::open_numeric_input() |
| 18:19:06 | XavierXeon | { |
| 18:19:11 | NeoTron | VVVVVVVVVVVV???????? |
| 18:19:12 | George- | anyone here use the G2 screen protectors?!?! |
| 18:19:20 | VerxHome | what I am not clear on is that it sounded like you said I need to put the method in the maindialog class, which seems backwards to me. since the method is going to open the dialog (instantiate it), it seems like that should be in the otherdialog class |
| 18:19:35 | VerxHome | ok |
| 18:19:36 | XavierXeon | othedialog* dialog=new otherdialog(); |
| 18:19:39 | VerxHome | then I heard you right |
| 18:19:51 | XavierXeon | dialog->show(); |
| 18:19:52 | W|GG-Libranet | that's what i need next....screen protector |
| 18:19:53 | XavierXeon | } |
| 18:20:12 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: ??????? |
| 18:20:35 | treke|ho1e | George-: ordered some, they havent irrived yet though |
| 18:20:38 | NeoTron | -=":;7uty44444444444"0[[[[[[[[[4909e8067ytz7ttttttttt655555555555555555555555555555555555 |
| 18:21:02 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: Why is it dialog->show(); and not dialog.show(); ? |
| 18:21:20 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: ->show() means that dialog is a pointer to a dialog |
| 18:21:29 | XavierXeon | dialog is apointer the way i declared it |
| 18:21:33 | NeoTron | -=":;7uty44444444444"0[[[[[[[[[4909e8067ytz7ttttttttt655555555555555555555555555555555555kommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm*+y7uio |
| 18:21:33 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: .show() would be used if it was the actual object |
| 18:21:33 | NeoTron | -=":;7uty44444444444"0[[[[[[[[[4909e8067ytz7ttttttttt655555555555555555555555555555555555kommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm*+y7uiohnl |
| 18:21:42 | umopapisdn | Any hints anyone... If I have a qmainwindow, and want to open another dialog that I want to be "fullscreen" in the sense that you should be able to see the title bar and it shouldn't cover the applet bar at the bottom, and the dialog shouldn't be movable, how's that done? How can I disable so that it's not movable? |
| 18:21:43 | VerxHome | slaps neotron about a bit |
| 18:22:44 | VerxHome | ok, my slot compiled now |
| 18:22:47 | umopapisdn | Is it possible to have more than one "qmainwindow" derived windows in one application? |
| 18:22:52 | VerxHome | now I need to write my connect |
| 18:23:01 | XavierXeon | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/fullscreen_howtos.shtml |
| 18:23:29 | umopapisdn | that's not the kind of fullscreen i meant. :) |
| 18:23:42 | NeoTron | '\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 18:23:57 | umopapisdn | I guess I mean "normal" just that it's taking up all the space... |
| 18:23:59 | treke|ho1e | thinks NeoTron's rugrats found the computer |
| 18:24:07 | VerxHome | treke: Or his cat |
| 18:24:08 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:24:11 | George- | wonders is NeoTron has a pet |
| 18:24:26 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: nah, cats seem to like monitors more |
| 18:24:28 | erikd | http://zaurus.erikd.org/qwgraph.h <-- does anyone know why my app might be segfaulting when i uncomment any of the 3 QLists in the private section of QWGraph? |
| 18:24:34 | NeoTron | yt67]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'jnmMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmuhjjjjjjjjnuhmyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 18:24:37 | NeoTron | e |
| 18:24:54 | NeoTron | Say hello to Emily |
| 18:24:59 | VerxHome | hello Emily |
| 18:25:00 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:25:01 | erikd | hello emily |
| 18:25:18 | ljp | emily.. pull your dads hair |
| 18:25:32 | NeoTron | Oh, she does at times. :) |
| 18:25:50 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
| 18:25:51 | ljp | hmm this old nic isnt working ;( |
| 18:26:04 | treke|ho1e | shaving your head is a good way around that |
| 18:27:17 | XavierXeon | erikd: how are you using the lists ? |
| 18:27:24 | erikd | i'm not |
| 18:27:31 | erikd | i'm just declaring them |
| 18:28:05 | NeoTron | she's supposed to nap but didn't so we played some on the computer |
| 18:28:14 | NeoTron | I'm impressed she managed to set the topic. twice. |
| 18:28:21 | XavierXeon | erikd: yeah but does your .cpp files use them ? or are they just declared at the moment |
| 18:28:30 | George- | who's emily? |
| 18:28:32 | erikd | just declared, they're not used at all |
| 18:28:38 | umopapisdn | erikd: Any specific reason you're not using pointers? |
| 18:28:54 | erikd | the example that i was looking at wasn't :) |
| 18:29:10 | umopapisdn | erikd: QPtrList instead of QList i mean. |
| 18:29:16 | erikd | oh |
| 18:29:24 | erikd | i don't know, what's the difference? |
| 18:29:59 | umopapisdn | Haven't used them, but QLists contain objects if i'm not totally misstaken. |
| 18:30:04 | erikd | QPtrList doesn't show up in the class index |
| 18:30:41 | erikd | yeah, i'm going to use the QLists to hold QWGraph* (* being Text, Points and Lines) |
| 18:31:07 | NeoTron | George-: she's my 15 month old daughter |
| 18:31:34 | umopapisdn | erikd: Just gonna look it out. |
| 18:31:43 | erikd | ok |
| 18:32:05 | erikd | there's not some really weird thing with QPixmap that I should know, is there? |
| 18:32:41 | erikd | because i can't seem to add any more Qt classes to that class with the QPixmap |
| 18:33:05 | umopapisdn | erikd: Hmmm, QPtrList was qt 3.0 stuff... |
| 18:33:17 | erikd | ah, that's prolly why it didn't show up |
| 18:33:56 | umopapisdn | erikd: and QList, does contain pointers and not objects as i thought. |
| 18:34:44 | George- | NeoTron: oooh |
| 18:34:50 | XavierXeon | QList::QList ( const QList<type> & list ) is the constructor |
| 18:34:53 | erikd | hmm, when i make all the QLists into pointers it works |
| 18:35:25 | XavierXeon | dooh. thats the copy constructor i am looking at ! |
| 18:35:39 | erikd | err, but now it doesn't segfault when i run the program, it does when i exit the program =/ |
| 18:36:10 | umopapisdn | erikd: :) hehe, such fun! :) |
| 18:36:18 | erikd | hehe |
| 18:36:22 | erikd | usually :) |
| 18:36:26 | erikd | just not this time =/ |
| 18:36:31 | erikd | but alwell |
| 18:37:45 | umopapisdn | erikd: Just for the heck of it, have you tried putting the "QWGraph" definition in a separate header file? Don't know why it should help but... |
| 18:38:11 | erikd | than the QWGraph* classes? |
| 18:38:13 | umopapisdn | of the QWGraph class i meant of course. |
| 18:38:18 | umopapisdn | yup. |
| 18:38:21 | erikd | ok |
| 18:38:25 | erikd | i'll try that |
| 18:38:47 | umopapisdn | Can't see why it should help but, compilers have done funnier stuff on me. |
| 18:41:17 | erikd | nope, still segfaults |
| 18:41:26 | umopapisdn | bummer... |
| 18:41:32 | erikd | yup |
| 18:41:56 | erikd | *sigh* |
| 18:42:24 | umopapisdn | Can't be anything in the constructors or destructors of those classes ? or are you not initializing any objects of those? |
| 18:42:54 | erikd | i'm not touching the QLists besides that declaration |
| 18:42:59 | erikd | which is what's really confusing me |
| 18:43:14 | umopapisdn | Hmm... are you running it on the z or with qvfb? |
| 18:43:23 | erikd | qvfb |
| 18:43:30 | XavierXeon | always,always,always initialise everything |
| 18:43:31 | erikd | i don't have a z yet :) |
| 18:43:45 | erikd | xavier: so you think that's it? |
| 18:43:48 | erikd | tries |
| 18:43:58 | umopapisdn | ahh... ok... do you have the crosscompiler there though? |
| 18:44:15 | erikd | yeah, i've made a few toy packages |
| 18:44:18 | XavierXeon | erikd: don't know but its one of the lessons i learned |
| 18:44:28 | erikd | lemme try the initialization stuff |
| 18:45:29 | umopapisdn | erikd: well you could DCC me a Z binary, and i could try it on the Z and see if it's the program that is broken, or if it's qvfb. |
| 18:45:46 | erikd | ok |
| 18:46:04 | erikd | it still segfaults after i initialise 'em |
| 18:46:43 | erikd | doing QList<QWGraphLine> graphLines; will initialise it, right? |
| 18:47:27 | George- | HH |
| 18:47:29 | George- | ahh |
| 18:47:34 | George- | I need a metal detector |
| 18:48:12 | George- | *phew* |
| 18:48:50 | XavierXeon | erikd: never worked with QList but it should initialise it |
| 18:49:01 | erikd | xavier: ok |
| 18:49:02 | VerxHome | could you send that again |
| 18:49:13 | VerxHome | I had bitchx as my client and it set you on ignore for "flooding" me |
| 18:49:15 | VerxHome | sorry |
| 18:49:33 | erikd | umopapisdn: it might be a little while because if i make clean i have to recode the ui part because i don't have a designer widget made for QWGraph yet :) |
| 18:50:02 | _Toasty | Any zaurus software developers in here? |
| 18:50:13 | George- | yes.. |
| 18:50:17 | hunger | _Toasty: Usually yes. |
| 18:50:30 | _Toasty | What IDE's are available to do that? I'm coming from a PalmOS development background. |
| 18:50:34 | umopapisdn | ah,ok... it's probably not that anyway, I was looking through the mails and found the message talking about a bug in qvfb, and it was something about it' |
| 18:50:36 | George- | _Toasty: none |
| 18:50:41 | George- | _Toasty: well, KDevelop sorta |
| 18:50:52 | erikd | likes vim |
| 18:50:53 | umopapisdn | s layout scheme had a bug... what ever that meant.. :) |
| 18:50:53 | _Toasty | Kylix can't do it, can it? |
| 18:50:58 | George- | nlo |
| 18:51:02 | George- | no |
| 18:51:09 | NeoTron | George-: http://babies.hedbor.org/(page_23)/photoalbum/summer2002/index.html |
| 18:51:12 | _Toasty | What other than KDevelop? |
| 18:51:14 | erikd | umopapisdn: ah |
| 18:51:28 | erikd | well, i'll get this thing compiled quick |
| 18:51:43 | erikd | toasty: i just use vim |
| 18:51:46 | George- | NeoTron: babies.hedbor.org? how many babies do you have? *g* |
| 18:51:51 | XavierXeon | _Toasty: you can use any IDE but you have to compile it by hand |
| 18:51:53 | George- | _Toasty: nothing |
| 18:51:56 | George- | _Toasty: afaik |
| 18:52:05 | George- | XavierXeon: then it wouldn't be an IDE :) |
| 18:52:13 | _Toasty | vim? and write gui apps? |
| 18:52:16 | George- | XavierXeon: then it'd be a text editor =P |
| 18:52:28 | George- | _Toasty: You can use any text editor, and tmake |
| 18:52:33 | George- | _Toasty: That sorta makes an IDE |
| 18:52:33 | XavierXeon | George-: true but it may still give an overview of your classes |
| 18:52:44 | George- | lol |
| 18:52:44 | George- | ok |
| 18:53:17 | NeoTron | George-: 2. twins. :P |
| 18:53:28 | George- | NeoTron: lol |
| 18:53:32 | George- | NeoTron: ok :) |
| 18:54:01 | _Toasty | ok thanks for the help. |
| 18:54:36 | _Toasty | Any web sites with tutorials? |
| 18:55:16 | George- | brb - kicker's playing up |
| 18:57:56 | erikd | does anyone know where mkipks expects the bin pics and apps dirs to be in the qtopia rpm? |
| 18:58:44 | NeoTron | fucking hell |
| 18:59:02 | NeoTron | need to restart X-Windows because, once again for no good reason, Mozilla doesn't accept keyboard input |
| 18:59:06 | NeoTron | fuckit that's annoying |
| 18:59:14 | erikd | loves galeon |
| 18:59:17 | VerxHome | that is annoying |
| 18:59:40 | erikd | and i actually like tabbed browsing. i didn't think i would |
| 18:59:50 | umopapisdn | NeoTron: even if you open up a terminal and type in that and then try again in mozilla? |
| 18:59:58 | NeoTron | doesn't happen at work |
| 19:00:06 | NeoTron | umopapisdn: sure, everythning else works perfectly |
| 19:00:10 | NeoTron | just mozilla, restarted or not |
| 19:00:46 | umopapisdn | NeoTron: Used to have a bug like that in an old version... but when I typed a few characters in a terminal, mozilla was working again. |
| 19:02:23 | erikd | Not building toys_0.0.3_arm package |
| 19:02:27 | erikd | hrm |
| 19:02:33 | erikd | /opt/Qtopia/sharp/bin/mkipks: /opt/Qtopia/toys/toys.control: No such file: apps/Applications/toys.desktop |
| 19:02:39 | erikd | /opt/Qtopia/sharp/bin/mkipks: /opt/Qtopia/toys/toys.control: No such file: bin/toys |
| 19:02:40 | NeoTron | umopapisdn: I can restart mozilla without it fixign itself |
| 19:02:49 | erikd | where's it expect those files to be? |
| 19:03:02 | erikd | i have them in a dir called bin in the dir i'm running mkipks from |
| 19:03:03 | umopapisdn | NeoTron: that's fucked up.... :) |
| 19:03:16 | NeoTron | it is indeed |
| 19:04:05 | umopapisdn | erikd: I've only used a script called "ipkg-build" to make my packages. |
| 19:04:15 | erikd | hmm |
| 19:04:29 | erikd | where'd you get that? |
| 19:04:36 | erikd | i don't have it in my bin dir |
| 19:05:23 | umopapisdn | can't remember... :) I think it was mentioned in the ipkg howto. |
| 19:05:38 | erikd | there's a howto? :) |
| 19:06:30 | umopapisdn | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 19:06:33 | NeoTron | umopapisdn: might be my system that has out-of-sync rpms or something |
| 19:07:26 | VerxHome_ | c:\vs\myprojects\char_manager\char_managerdialog.cpp(9) : error C2664: 'bool __cdecl QObject::connect(const class QObject *,const char *,const class QObject *,const char *)' : cannot convert parameter 1 from 'class QPushButton *' to 'const class QOb |
| 19:07:27 | VerxHome_ | ject *' |
| 19:07:28 | VerxHome_ | Types pointed to are unrelated; conversion requires reinterpret_cast, C-style cast or function-style cast |
| 19:07:44 | VerxHome | that is the error I am pulling my hair out over |
| 19:07:49 | NeoTron | that is so fucked up though |
| 19:07:54 | br33zy | how is that possible |
| 19:07:54 | VerxHome | I know |
| 19:07:57 | VerxHome | it should inheret it |
| 19:08:00 | br33zy | pull your hair over an error |
| 19:08:00 | NeoTron | use a real compiler is my answer |
| 19:08:02 | VerxHome | er, inherit rather |
| 19:08:12 | erikd | ah, well. time for golf |
| 19:08:14 | erikd | i'll bbl |
| 19:08:45 | VerxHome | is it the const aspect? |
| 19:09:00 | VerxHome | is my button not a constant, and it needs to be? |
| 19:09:48 | VerxPaste | btn_stats_str = new QPushButton( privateLayoutWidget_3, "btn_stats_str" ); |
| 19:09:49 | VerxPaste | btn_stats_str->setBackgroundOrigin( QPushButton::WidgetOrigin ); |
| 19:09:49 | VerxPaste | btn_stats_str->setText( tr( "Str" ) ); |
| 19:09:49 | VerxPaste | Layout10->addWidget( btn_stats_str ); |
| 19:10:15 | NeoTron | that should be fine |
| 19:10:26 | NeoTron | const -> not const is an error, not const->const is not |
| 19:11:24 | VerxPaste | the example I see is more of this form: |
| 19:11:28 | W|GG-Libranet | 94807 files and directories currently installed |
| 19:11:43 | W|GG-Libranet | oops |
| 19:12:02 | VerxPaste | QPushButton *btn_stats_str = new QPushButton( privateLayoutWidget_3, "btn_stats_str" ); |
| 19:12:24 | VerxPaste | but those look basically equivalent to me |
| 19:12:34 | VerxPaste | and moc generated the code I pasted first |
| 19:13:18 | umopapisdn | how and from where are you calling the "connect" ? |
| 19:13:36 | VerxPaste | char_managerDialog::char_managerDialog( QWidget* parent, const char* name, bool modal, WFlags f ) |
| 19:13:36 | VerxPaste | : char_managerDialogBase( parent, name, modal, f ) |
| 19:13:36 | VerxPaste | { |
| 19:13:36 | VerxPaste | connect( btn_stats_str, SIGNAL( clicked() ), this, SLOT( open_numeric_input() ) ); |
| 19:13:46 | VerxPaste | } |
| 19:13:59 | NeoTron | if you add (QObject*) before btn_stats_str, does it work? |
| 19:14:00 | VerxPaste | that is within my char_managerdialog.cpp file |
| 19:14:32 | XavierXeon | I know the error ! |
| 19:14:36 | umopapisdn | stupid question maybe... but you do have a "Q_OBJECT" line in your header file...right... just checking.. |
| 19:15:04 | XavierXeon | you have to add the slot to the base class of your main dialog |
| 19:15:15 | VerxHome | OH! |
| 19:15:19 | VerxHome | that makes perfect sense |
| 19:15:22 | umopapisdn | XavierXeon: you're the man! :) |
| 19:15:32 | XavierXeon | you can do that in the QTDesigner |
| 19:15:34 | VerxHome | since char_managerDialog inherits from char_managerDialogBase |
| 19:15:42 | VerxHome | can I? |
| 19:15:44 | VerxHome | looks |
| 19:15:47 | XavierXeon | the function is then virtual and you can overload it |
| 19:16:13 | VerxHome | I have only done GUI things in Qt Designer |
| 19:16:19 | VerxHome | looks for where to add slots |
| 19:16:55 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: open the QTDesigner and choose add slot (name it whatever) |
| 19:17:35 | XavierXeon | then choose add Connection. the cursor changes to cross. click on the button and drag it to the dialog. |
| 19:17:49 | XavierXeon | then a dialog pops up where you can choose your slot |
| 19:17:58 | NeoTron | heh. I never used the designer. :) |
| 19:19:18 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: You said to drag it to the dialog |
| 19:19:29 | VerxHome | so I drag it to the dialog I want it to pop up? |
| 19:19:41 | VerxHome | if so, that sounds like the slot needs to be in the popup dialog |
| 19:19:56 | XavierXeon | no drag it to an area of the dalog not occupied by something else |
| 19:20:15 | XavierXeon | your main dialog with the button that is |
| 19:20:22 | VerxHome | ok, I did that, but for some reason, my new slot isn't available |
| 19:20:51 | XavierXeon | fires up vmware and makes a couple of screen shots |
| 19:21:14 | VerxHome | I did an Edit->Slots... |
| 19:21:17 | VerxHome | then a "New Slot" |
| 19:21:36 | VerxHome | then I made a slot called open_numeric_input() |
| 19:21:39 | VerxHome | it is public |
| 19:22:00 | NeoTron | and this my friend is WHY I don't use the designed. ;-) |
| 19:22:00 | VerxHome | then I do a Connect Signal/Slots (F3) |
| 19:22:28 | VerxHome | I drag it from the button to the dialog where I have no widget |
| 19:22:38 | VerxHome | and the list of slots has only one option: setFocus() |
| 19:23:30 | VerxHome | neotron: Well, once I get this stuff figured out, it will save me a lot of time |
| 19:23:48 | VerxHome | the real question is - will that saved time in any way make up for the lost time trying to figure the damned thing out? :) |
| 19:24:45 | VerxHome | THERE WE GO |
| 19:25:07 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: I had to stretch the window containing my widgets such that I had an area with absolutely NOTHING in it |
| 19:25:11 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot3.png <-- whee. heh |
| 19:25:19 | VerxHome | then I could drag to THAT area, and I could then choose my slot |
| 19:26:15 | VerxHome | cool neo |
| 19:26:29 | VerxHome | well, believe it or not, now that I have added this slot to my base class |
| 19:26:32 | VerxHome | it still won't compile |
| 19:26:32 | VerxHome | :( |
| 19:26:55 | VerxHome | it did add a: |
| 19:26:57 | VerxHome | public slots: |
| 19:27:06 | VerxHome | virtual void open_numeric_input(); |
| 19:27:12 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: you need to remove the connect from your overloaded class. nad the function is now not a slot |
| 19:27:13 | VerxHome | to the char_managerdialogbase.h |
| 19:28:00 | VerxHome | MY BUTTON POPPED UP A WINDOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:28:06 | VerxHome | is so amazed |
| 19:28:10 | angrybsd | prboom for the Z is awesome |
| 19:28:24 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: the function is now not a slot? |
| 19:28:25 | oGMo | hehe |
| 19:28:29 | VerxHome | I don't understand that? |
| 19:28:33 | angrybsd | who made prboom? |
| 19:28:47 | XavierXeon | not in your overloaded class. it has to be alsot in the base class |
| 19:28:55 | angrybsd | err not prboom |
| 19:28:56 | VerxHome | well |
| 19:28:59 | oGMo | angrybsd: originally, or who packaged it? |
| 19:29:00 | angrybsd | i meant that puyo puyo game |
| 19:29:05 | angrybsd | not prboom |
| 19:29:10 | oGMo | hmm |
| 19:29:14 | VerxHome | in the base class, the slot is defined |
| 19:29:16 | angrybsd | super foul egg |
| 19:29:24 | VerxHome | it is also defined in the overloaded class |
| 19:29:35 | VerxHome | and then in the overloaded class, I placed the function itself |
| 19:29:47 | VerxHome | so the function doesn't currently exist in the base class, but it is working properly |
| 19:29:56 | VerxHome | should I change my code to be more "correct" ? |
| 19:30:13 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: never change a running code :=) |
| 19:30:15 | oGMo | angrybsd: Tony Oakley, SFE@softoak.demon.co.uk |
| 19:30:18 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 19:30:53 | VerxHome | xavier: Thanks a million for your help on this, what you said made sense the MOMENT you said it, but I don't think I would have thought of it for another 10 or so years |
| 19:30:53 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:31:25 | VerxHome | s/what you said/what you said was wrong |
| 19:31:44 | VerxHome | ok, now I am gonna document what all I did |
| 19:31:50 | VerxHome | and try to do the same thing for another button |
| 19:31:54 | VerxHome | to make sure I understand |
| 19:32:44 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: ask me tommorrow if you have problems (more developers are good for the Z) |
| 19:33:21 | XavierXeon | is gonna read a book now |
| 19:33:56 | W|GG-Libranet | good idea |
| 19:34:05 | W|GG-Libranet | just can't find my tom clancy book |
| 19:35:02 | CloudChaser | hey all |
| 19:36:06 | W|GG-Libranet | hi CloudChaser |
| 19:36:07 | angrybsd | okay my syncing just randomly started to work |
| 19:36:09 | angrybsd | good, i guess :) |
| 19:36:33 | | ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 19:36:33 | angrybsd | ibot, ipkg |
| 19:36:59 | | angrybsd: what? |
| 19:36:59 | angrybsd | ibot, killefiz |
| 19:37:07 | | hmmm... zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 19:37:07 | angrybsd | ibot, zsi |
| 19:37:23 | | i heard feed was a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 19:37:23 | W|GG-Libranet | ibot feed |
| 19:39:56 | | contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 19:39:56 | angrybsd | ibot contest |
| 19:42:12 | angrybsd | hhahaha zraycast is fun |
| 19:42:18 | | angrybsd: what? |
| 19:42:18 | angrybsd | ibot, zraycast |
| 19:43:22 | | OK, angrybsd. |
| 19:43:22 | angrybsd | ibot zraycast is a zaurus FPS made by Ian Linsdell |
| 19:43:42 | | okay, angrybsd. |
| 19:43:42 | angrybsd | ibot zraycast is also http://ianlinsdell.0catch.com/Zraycast_0.5_arm.ipk |
| 19:43:46 | | zraycast is a zaurus FPS made by Ian Linsdell or http://ianlinsdell.0catch.com/Zraycast_0.5_arm.ipk |
| 19:43:46 | angrybsd | ibot zraycast |
| 19:45:31 | CloudChaser | he must have fixed/finished zraycast? |
| 19:46:43 | VerxHome | ok |
| 19:46:50 | VerxHome | NOW I see the intense value of signals/slots |
| 19:46:54 | VerxHome | is liking this a lot more now |
| 19:46:58 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
| 19:47:12 | VerxHome | treke: To make another button pop up my dialog took 5 seconds |
| 19:47:14 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: What discovery did you make? |
| 19:47:17 | treke|ho1e | ah yes |
| 19:47:21 | CloudChaser | lucky you :) |
| 19:47:31 | CloudChaser | i got all confused |
| 19:47:35 | VerxHome | now I need to understand how to generalize the dialog so it knows which button called it |
| 19:47:52 | treke|ho1e | is currently fighting with QSocket, and is finally seeig the beauty |
| 19:47:58 | VerxHome | treke: Would I do that in the connect? |
| 19:48:16 | oGMo | VerxHome: why do that? |
| 19:48:19 | kergoth | re |
| 19:48:33 | oGMo | VerxHome: if you've got a multiple-choice thing going, wouldn't it be better to use radio buttons? |
| 19:48:38 | oGMo | hey kergoth |
| 19:48:49 | NeoTron | man, this tool will be so kewl! :) |
| 19:49:03 | VerxHome | oGMo: I have 18 buttons. Each of them pops up a dialog to let the user adjust a specific value that corresponds to the button that launched the dialog |
| 19:49:29 | oGMo | VerxHome: hrm ;) |
| 19:49:35 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: Are you sure thats the best way to design your ui? |
| 19:50:07 | VerxHome | treke: Well, granted, I might be able to do it differently. I am sortof porting the design of my Palm app over to the Z |
| 19:50:32 | VerxHome | but so far, I don't know of any design that would make more sense given what this app does |
| 19:51:14 | oGMo | VerxHome: have something like a ValueDialog, then make the button click create a new dialog like ValueDialog *v = new ValueDialog(variable_to_be_set); |
| 19:51:51 | VerxHome | oGMo: that is similar to what I want |
| 19:51:53 | oGMo | or---and I haven't played aroudn with Qt/E enough to recommend this as a good idea---create one, and say like v->setVariable(variable_to_be_set); |
| 19:52:01 | VerxHome | but a valuedialog would lose on the ui |
| 19:52:08 | oGMo | the problem with that of course is if the user clicks two buttons |
| 19:52:26 | VerxHome | right, this is going to be far easier with the one button |
| 19:52:31 | VerxHome | and a lot more intuitive |
| 19:52:31 | oGMo | personally i'd want to see exactly what you were doing before recommending either, but |
| 19:52:42 | Sid | hi |
| 19:52:46 | Sid | I'm george-,btw |
| 19:53:04 | VerxHome | oGMo: let me get a tad bit more of the code working and I will send you a snapshot so you can see it |
| 19:53:09 | oGMo | there's cloud, sid, next we're gonna have tifa or aeris in here |
| 19:53:22 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 19:53:34 | NeoTron | whee |
| 19:53:34 | oGMo | VerxHome: k |
| 19:53:35 | VerxHome | oGMo: btw, I dunno if you were around before |
| 19:53:40 | VerxHome | I bought a couple books on C++ |
| 19:53:42 | VerxHome | helped a TON |
| 19:53:48 | oGMo | VerxHome: hehe |
| 19:53:50 | Sid | oGMo: ? |
| 19:53:57 | Cloud-Z | i dont understand ogmi |
| 19:54:05 | oGMo | hehe |
| 19:54:06 | Cloud-Z | ogmo |
| 19:54:22 | oGMo | no gamers in here eh |
| 19:54:32 | VerxHome | oGMo: So if I want to have 18 buttons that all call the same function, but pass different values when they do, how would you recommend doing that? |
| 19:54:35 | NeoTron | thinks |
| 19:54:46 | NeoTron | gamma correction, grabbign hardware keys.. what else was there |
| 19:54:48 | Sid | I'm a gamer |
| 19:54:50 | Sid | :0 |
| 19:54:50 | oGMo | VerxHome: what are each of 18 buttons representing? |
| 19:55:06 | VerxHome | oGMo: Various different attributes of an RPG character |
| 19:55:06 | oGMo | Sid: Cloud-Z joined a few seconds before you |
| 19:55:18 | oGMo | VerxHome: hmmmmmmmmmmm nifty :) |
| 19:55:25 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:55:28 | oGMo | VerxHome: i would however recommend you just make them textboxes |
| 19:55:42 | oGMo | or whatever proper control to allow direct editing |
| 19:55:46 | Cloud-Z | i was here (cloudchaser) |
| 19:56:09 | VerxHome | oGMo: Oh, so you are saying don't have the popup at all |
| 19:56:27 | NeoTron | I knew I should have written it down! :) |
| 19:56:32 | oGMo | Cloud-Z: in final fantasy 7 (psx), Cloud is the main character (or one of them), Cid is another, so are Tifa and Aeris |
| 19:56:40 | Cloud-Z | ah |
| 19:56:48 | oGMo | VerxHome: yeah |
| 19:56:52 | jmhodges | yello |
| 19:56:57 | oGMo | VerxHome: it _might_ be better that way |
| 19:57:18 | VerxHome | oGMo: Well, I am going to have to have the label saying "Str" anyway |
| 19:57:21 | VerxHome | thinks for a bit |
| 19:57:22 | angrybsd | what's the best quality SD card? |
| 19:57:38 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: Maybe something like a QTable? |
| 19:57:44 | oGMo | VerxHome: yeah... have like STR: [_18_] or whatever |
| 19:57:53 | oGMo | where [____] would be a textbox |
| 19:58:08 | oGMo | or a spinner might be better |
| 19:58:10 | W|GG-Libranet | lexmark? |
| 19:58:13 | angrybsd | is $75 good for 256 MB sandisk Compact flash? |
| 19:58:21 | W|GG-Libranet | hell yeah |
| 19:58:22 | oGMo | angrybsd: YES |
| 19:58:39 | angrybsd | new? ;) |
| 19:58:42 | angrybsd | http://www.bensbargains.net/ktalk/1027783864,76453,.shtml |
| 19:58:43 | oGMo | angrybsd: WHERE |
| 19:58:43 | angrybsd | check that out |
| 19:58:44 | angrybsd | today only |
| 19:58:47 | VerxHome | well oGMo: I was going to have it setup where the popup dialog let you change things like whether the STR modifier should be calculated or manually entered |
| 19:58:48 | angrybsd | $20 rebate |
| 19:58:50 | Cloud-Z | mine cost 92 |
| 19:58:59 | oGMo | i thought i had em for $60 but that was 128's ;( |
| 19:59:00 | angrybsd | someone also said this in the comments: Sandisk 256MB Compact Flash + $5 stuff for $60 at amazon unitl 7/27/02 |
| 19:59:00 | angrybsd | http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=18&threadid=98805&highlight_key=y&keyword1=amazon |
| 19:59:08 | oGMo | VerxHome: hmmm |
| 19:59:11 | angrybsd | $75 shipped |
| 19:59:12 | oGMo | VerxHome: ok, then that's better |
| 19:59:19 | W|GG-Libranet | what about return policy |
| 19:59:25 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: something like a listbox still may be better for the actual selection |
| 19:59:29 | VerxHome | because then the interface won't be so cluttered |
| 19:59:31 | W|GG-Libranet | in case there's something wrong with the card |
| 20:00:02 | angrybsd | W|GG-Libranet: not sure |
| 20:00:08 | VerxHome | treke: Are there any opie apps that use a QTable? |
| 20:00:09 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: VerxHome Since it gives you a value that was selected and you can use that to determine which dialog to show |
| 20:00:10 | W|GG-Libranet | hrmm...no sale on SD cards |
| 20:00:10 | jmhodges | w |
| 20:00:18 | jmhodges | W|GG-Libranet: get libra working? |
| 20:00:22 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: opie-spreadsheet uses one |
| 20:00:32 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: But it now sounds like you want a QListBox |
| 20:00:40 | W|GG-Libranet | jmhodges: no i had to go down a version |
| 20:00:43 | W|GG-Libranet | 2.0 is shitty |
| 20:00:44 | VerxHome | yeah, QListBox might be the better choice |
| 20:00:57 | VerxHome | I think now that I understand the coding of signals/slots a bit better |
| 20:01:04 | W|GG-Libranet | just tried to update via apt-get...that didn't go so hot either |
| 20:01:05 | jmhodges | W|GG-Libranet: sucks :( better luck next time |
| 20:01:10 | W|GG-Libranet | yeah |
| 20:01:16 | VerxHome | I should review the Qt/E widget set and go through my design |
| 20:01:29 | W|GG-Libranet | think's he's gonna buy that CF card |
| 20:01:31 | angrybsd | W|GG-Libranet: SD cards? I think they have $60 for a 128MB somewhere |
| 20:01:36 | VerxHome | treke: Is there somewhere a complete list of the Qt/E widgets, preferably with a gui of each? |
| 20:01:37 | angrybsd | W|GG-Libranet: i am too |
| 20:01:42 | VerxHome | ie - a screenshot |
| 20:01:49 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: closest thing is going to be qt-designer |
| 20:01:51 | angrybsd | W|GG-Libranet: thats a great deal, i think its only good for today |
| 20:01:57 | treke|ho1e | the QT Documentation has screenshots of most |
| 20:02:03 | W|GG-Libranet | should post that on Zaurus-general :o) |
| 20:02:10 | VerxHome | treke: But does Qt designer know what is Qt/E versus Qt? |
| 20:02:24 | VerxHome | ie - I don't want to get my heart set on a design I can't implement on the Z |
| 20:02:24 | VerxHome | :) |
| 20:02:42 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: There isnt that much of a difference |
| 20:03:09 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: The biggest difference is that the trolls decided not to compile in things that were too Xish, like File and Open dialogs |
| 20:03:42 | W|GG-Libranet | whoa...just noticed that xchat is at a higher version |
| 20:03:57 | W|GG-Libranet | at least apt-get didn't fornicate THAT up |
| 20:04:01 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: I think QTE actually does support all of QT |
| 20:04:22 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: http://treke.net/downloads/qconfig-qpe.h <-- List of what isnt there |
| 20:04:32 | VerxHome | treke: thanks |
| 20:04:45 | W|GG-Libranet | angrybsd: damn...i have to be a member to even search that page |
| 20:04:46 | Sid | treke|ho1e: they didn't?!?!? |
| 20:04:49 | Sid | treke|ho1e: wtF? |
| 20:04:58 | treke|ho1e | Sid: wjat do you mean? |
| 20:05:18 | angrybsd | W|GG-Libranet: huh? which page |
| 20:05:20 | Sid | treke|ho1e: they didn't compile in file dialogs? |
| 20:05:27 | W|GG-Libranet | bensbargains.net |
| 20:05:33 | treke|ho1e | Sid: No, they didnt |
| 20:05:53 | Sid | #define QT_NO_FILEDIALOG |
| 20:05:53 | Sid | #define QT_NO_FONTDIALOG |
| 20:05:53 | Sid | #define QT_NO_PRINTDIALOG |
| 20:05:54 | Sid | #define QT_NO_COLORDIALOG |
| 20:05:54 | Sid | #define QT_NO_INPUTDIALOG |
| 20:06:04 | Sid | #ifndef QT_NO_STYLE_AQUA |
| 20:06:04 | Sid | # define QT_NO_STYLE_AQUA |
| 20:06:05 | Sid | AQUA? |
| 20:06:10 | angrybsd | W|GG-Libranet: damn they just added that! |
| 20:06:22 | W|GG-Libranet | that's so gay |
| 20:06:25 | angrybsd | W|GG-Libranet: they musthave added that today! |
| 20:06:41 | treke|ho1e | Sid: welcome to the land of small devices |
| 20:07:05 | Sid | treke|ho1e: heh |
| 20:07:16 | Sid | treke|ho1e: What's the AQUA thing? |
| 20:07:35 | treke|ho1e | Sid: Things like file dialongs are uncessesary since you arent supposed to use files directly. Aqua is just a MacOSX like theme. |
| 20:07:54 | W|GG-Libranet | hrmmm...i guess i'll pass on that CF card...really really need SD since the wifi card is always in now |
| 20:08:07 | VerxHome | the whole stupidity of Sharp thinking we shouldn't see files is just ludicrous |
| 20:08:51 | angrybsd | W|GG-Libranet: im going for it, i dont have a CF card yet |
| 20:08:54 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: Makes sense to me. Did you need to see files on your palm? |
| 20:09:04 | W|GG-Libranet | angrybsd: ahhh |
| 20:09:06 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: They just did a poor job on the document handling :) |
| 20:09:35 | Gfx | the Zaurus is meant to be available for all the people, not just developpers |
| 20:09:42 | Sid | treke|ho1e: hmm, is that actually in Qt?!?! |
| 20:09:50 | treke|ho1e | Sid: yes |
| 20:09:53 | Sid | treke|ho1e: why haven't they got legal letters yet? |
| 20:10:25 | treke|ho1e | Sid: Because they use it for OS X? |
| 20:10:53 | VerxHome | treke: The palm had the stupid concept that every application had its own database, and unless you went to herculean efforts, applications couldn't see each others data |
| 20:11:20 | treke|ho1e | so what you want is a middle ground |
| 20:11:35 | VerxHome | treke: So yes, I needed to see files on my Palm, and in fact I did. I had a Handspring Prism, with a compact flash adapter, and about 8 different file managers |
| 20:11:35 | VerxHome | :) |
| 20:11:39 | George- | treke|ho1e: Does it work on Qt/X11 and Qt/E? |
| 20:11:52 | treke|ho1e | George-: compile it and find out |
| 20:12:20 | VerxHome | treke: It makes sense to me that applications should probably DEFAULT to something like a directory of symlinks to documents. But the applications should be CAPABLE of looking anywhere |
| 20:12:45 | VerxHome | the Palm showed quite clearly how shitty a non file based setup was when you look at a Palm like I had, with over 500 applications |
| 20:12:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: in other words, you want opie's file open dialog ;-) |
| 20:13:01 | VerxHome | "categories" is a totally worthless concept with that many programs |
| 20:13:17 | VerxHome | kergoth: PRECISELY. My point is that Sharp should have wanted it too |
| 20:13:30 | hunger | kergoth: I think I got it working! |
| 20:13:44 | kergoth | I think its possible to balance the concerns of the end user with that of the power user. its just most companies fail at doing so. |
| 20:13:46 | kergoth | hunger: sweet |
| 20:14:02 | treke|ho1e | now if someone would change the default location of opies file dialog :) |
| 20:14:13 | VerxHome | treke: heheh |
| 20:14:15 | hunger | kergoth: The kernel still does not build though. |
| 20:14:33 | treke|ho1e | One of the things I dont like about a file dialog though, is that not all documents have to be a file |
| 20:14:35 | kergoth | hunger: did you find the reference to how to make it build under 3.x in the mailing list archives? |
| 20:15:04 | treke|ho1e | A document could just as easilly be a pointer into an app specific database |
| 20:15:06 | angrybsd | somebody interested in getting a 256MB CF sandisk card + something around $10 for $67-8? |
| 20:15:10 | angrybsd | http://www.bensbargains.net/ktalk/1027783864,76453,.shtml |
| 20:15:15 | angrybsd | read that thread and stuff |
| 20:18:46 | VerxHome | can you do MDI on the Z? |
| 20:19:03 | angrybsd | crap if only they still had those screen protectors @ amazon |
| 20:19:18 | oGMo | VerxHome: you don't want MDI. |
| 20:19:36 | oGMo | don't make me whip out my jedi mind tricks |
| 20:19:43 | VerxHome | I figured it was unlikely on a screen this small |
| 20:19:52 | oGMo | VerxHome: yeah, try tabs or something |
| 20:19:56 | VerxHome | but I was curious if it was even allowed (I am making a list of what I can do) |
| 20:20:00 | VerxHome | my app already has tabs |
| 20:20:04 | VerxHome | I am not WANTING to use MDI |
| 20:20:11 | VerxHome | just wanting to know if the Z supports it at all |
| 20:20:16 | oGMo | ok good. ;) dunno, check if the MDI classes are there |
| 20:20:49 | | angrybsd: sorry... |
| 20:20:49 | angrybsd | ibot, messageboard |
| 20:20:51 | VerxHome | do we get QFontDialog? |
| 20:20:52 | | angrybsd: excuse me? |
| 20:20:52 | angrybsd | ibot, message board |
| 20:20:55 | VerxHome | I am guessing not. . . |
| 20:21:36 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: no |
| 20:21:42 | VerxHome | someone said we don't get the QProgressDialog either |
| 20:21:52 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: Its all in that header file :) |
| 20:21:58 | VerxHome | treke: I would be using that file you pointed me at |
| 20:22:01 | angrybsd | where's hte Z message boarD? |
| 20:22:04 | VerxHome | but all the words are run together |
| 20:22:12 | oGMo | angrybsd: message board? |
| 20:22:16 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: open it in a text editor |
| 20:22:16 | oGMo | angrybsd: you mean the mailing list? |
| 20:22:26 | oGMo | i don't know of a message board ... |
| 20:22:34 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_PROGRESSDIALOG |
| 20:22:47 | angrybsd | ohh, so i should send the address for the insane CF card to the mailing list? |
| 20:23:04 | W|GG-Libranet | http://www.bensbargains.net/ktalk/1026956685,24933,.shtml |
| 20:23:16 | W|GG-Libranet | sandisk 128mb card, $44 |
| 20:23:24 | oGMo | angrybsd: sure, but the deal looks a little iffy |
| 20:23:29 | W|GG-Libranet | grrr... |
| 20:23:32 | W|GG-Libranet | expired |
| 20:23:34 | Cloudchaser | 128 mb sd? |
| 20:23:34 | oGMo | but go for it |
| 20:24:19 | VerxHome | ok, we get the progressbar tho |
| 20:24:24 | VerxHome | that should be sufficient I would think |
| 20:24:48 | VerxHome | I suspect that building my own QProgressDialog would be trivial |
| 20:25:21 | W|GG-Libranet | brb...need a smoke, then gotta go to the market with the girls |
| 20:26:37 | W|GG-Libranet | bah...i'll do it tomorrow |
| 20:26:40 | W|GG-Libranet | im being lazy |
| 20:28:27 | Cloudchaser | anyone here use that tpramdisk |
| 20:29:31 | VerxHome | do we actually get QTextBrowser and QTextView? |
| 20:29:35 | treke|ho1e | yes |
| 20:29:36 | treke|ho1e | both |
| 20:29:41 | VerxHome | wow |
| 20:29:56 | jmhodges | is away: blockbuster |
| 20:30:11 | treke|ho1e | you get pretty much everything. Its a very small list of thingws you dont get |
| 20:30:14 | VerxHome | ok, time for me to sit down and design this |
| 20:30:20 | VerxHome | gui wise |
| 20:30:42 | treke|ho1e | this is whats missing widget wise: |
| 20:30:45 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_DRAGANDDROP |
| 20:30:49 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_PROPERTIES |
| 20:30:51 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_NETWORKPROTOCOL |
| 20:30:53 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_IMAGE_TEXT |
| 20:30:56 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_COLORNAMES |
| 20:30:58 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_TRANSFORMATIONS |
| 20:31:03 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_PRINTER |
| 20:31:06 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_PICTURE |
| 20:31:09 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_SIZEGRIP |
| 20:31:11 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_WORKSPACE |
| 20:31:18 | treke|ho1e | the dialogs |
| 20:31:23 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_WIZARD |
| 20:31:25 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_EFFECTS |
| 20:31:28 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_SEMIMODAL |
| 20:31:31 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_DOM |
| 20:31:36 | treke|ho1e | #define QT_NO_SPLITTER |
| 20:31:40 | treke|ho1e | thats it |
| 20:31:49 | VerxHome | oh |
| 20:31:51 | VerxHome | no splitters?!?! |
| 20:31:56 | VerxHome | the tkc apps have splitters |
| 20:32:03 | VerxHome | I guess they must have coded them themselves |
| 20:32:04 | treke|ho1e | they must have written their own |
| 20:32:25 | NeoTron | VerxHome: I really miss the splitter personally |
| 20:32:39 | NeoTron | in edict I uses my own solution that simply allows hiding/showing of the dictionary list |
| 20:32:42 | VerxHome | yeah, that seems a VERY useful tool |
| 20:34:29 | ljp | you dont really need splitters |
| 20:34:45 | angrybsd | VerxHome: you working on your contest app? |
| 20:34:47 | angrybsd | err challenge |
| 20:34:48 | | i think challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 20:34:48 | angrybsd | ibot challenge |
| 20:35:00 | VerxHome | yah, I sure am |
| 20:35:07 | VerxHome | I am finally convinced I didn't get in over my head |
| 20:35:08 | VerxHome | :) |
| 20:35:23 | angrybsd | hehe |
| 20:35:27 | BigBoss | well how hard can a porn viewer be? :) |
| 20:35:32 | angrybsd | lol! |
| 20:35:37 | NeoTron | cool cool |
| 20:35:50 | angrybsd | "ThoughtManager for Education |
| 20:35:50 | angrybsd | (click) |
| 20:35:50 | angrybsd | " |
| 20:35:52 | NeoTron | Bust'em and RocketElite: using Eon Config values. :) |
| 20:35:52 | NeoTron | heh |
| 20:35:54 | NeoTron | this is fun |
| 20:35:54 | angrybsd | AHH SOUNDS LIK ESOMETHING I CAN DO!! |
| 20:37:03 | angrybsd | jesus all that is is an XML viewer/editor |
| 20:37:07 | angrybsd | but they just call it thought manager |
| 20:38:29 | carpman | If my thoughs could fit into XML, I'm sure XML would be alot cooler than it is. :) |
| 20:38:33 | VerxHome | angrybsd: The link doesn't work for me |
| 20:38:36 | VerxHome | what is the app in the link? |
| 20:38:52 | angrybsd | didnt work for me either |
| 20:38:53 | angrybsd | http://www.handshigh.com/html/tmeducation.html |
| 20:38:58 | angrybsd | medication :) |
| 20:39:10 | angrybsd | http://www.handshigh.com/html/tmtdetails.html |
| 20:39:12 | angrybsd | thats better |
| 20:39:34 | angrybsd | the only hard thing would be the bubble web drawing thingies |
| 20:39:39 | VerxHome | looks like iqnotes to me |
| 20:39:40 | VerxHome | :) |
| 20:39:54 | angrybsd | is iqnotes open source ;)? |
| 20:40:07 | VerxHome | yup |
| 20:40:10 | angrybsd | dear god |
| 20:40:22 | angrybsd | who developed iqnotes |
| 20:40:27 | angrybsd | "kybu" |
| 20:40:34 | | I haven't seen 'kybu', angrybsd |
| 20:40:34 | angrybsd | ibot seen kybu |
| 20:40:57 | angrybsd | whoever made that could walk on eeeasy street |
| 20:41:19 | angrybsd | plus they were in the dev. contest |
| 20:42:34 | jmhodges | is back (gone 00:12:38) |
| 20:42:50 | angrybsd | lol, you could just modify their code and make it look like an educational lesson planner |
| 20:43:19 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 20:43:38 | VerxHome | just noticed that if the "x" button is tapped on the pop up dialog in his app - the entire app exits |
| 20:43:41 | VerxHome | not particularly good. . . |
| 20:44:25 | angrybsd | does kybu ever come on here |
| 20:44:29 | VerxHome | regardless, time to design my app |
| 20:44:32 | VerxHome | angrybsd: Nope |
| 20:44:43 | VerxHome | he responds to email after about a week or so |
| 20:44:44 | VerxHome | :) |
| 20:44:51 | angrybsd | :) hehe |
| 20:45:08 | w00t | hey guys |
| 20:45:39 | angrybsd | if i were him i would definitley be editing his app right now and submitting it for another Z :) |
| 20:46:03 | | You are nothing but an hedge-born ooze of low-quality jizzum. |
| 20:46:03 | w00t | ibot insult w00t |
| 20:46:20 | w00t | thx, needed that |
| 20:46:42 | treke|ho1e | angrybsd: Uhm you cant sign up if you won already |
| 20:47:22 | angrybsd | treke|ho1e: sucks for him ;) |
| 20:47:54 | treke|ho1e | tell that to him, I think he won a laptop |
| 20:48:03 | angrybsd | lol |
| 20:48:14 | angrybsd | tandy portable laptop? |
| 20:48:45 | treke|ho1e | thinks its kinda lame then benmeyer won |
| 20:48:55 | treke|ho1e | oh wait, he didnt |
| 21:12:56 | angrybsd | are there any zaurus-related books? |
| 21:13:44 | | angrybsd: excuse me? |
| 21:13:44 | angrybsd | ibot, books |
| 21:13:48 | | rumour has it zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 21:13:48 | angrybsd | ibot, zaurus |
| 21:19:31 | rw2 | hey darien |
| 21:19:41 | darienm2 | hey rich! |
| 21:19:46 | darienm2 | You decided to play with us :) |
| 21:19:49 | rw2 | Yah |
| 21:19:58 | angrybsd | hi darienm2 |
| 21:19:59 | darienm2 | usually my work account is set to |away when I'm at home. |
| 21:20:02 | rw2 | Figuring out how to develop java apps today. |
| 21:20:02 | darienm2 | I'm not usually '2' |
| 21:20:07 | | java faq is at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 21:20:07 | darienm2 | ibot java faq |
| 21:20:10 | darienm2 | This will help |
| 21:20:24 | rw2 | Got my hello world working without trouble. |
| 21:20:25 | darienm2 | angrybsd: Still having sync problems with WinXP ? |
| 21:21:41 | angrybsd | darienm2: it miraculously started working |
| 21:21:45 | darienm2 | angrybsd: that's great |
| 21:21:46 | angrybsd | darienm2: randomly, too |
| 21:22:00 | angrybsd | darienm2: i might take a crack at getting ethernet over USB tonight |
| 21:22:02 | darienm2 | angrybsd: Im using XP also -- I had some issues initially, and can share some insights with you |
| 21:22:15 | angrybsd | darienm2: great :) |
| 21:22:20 | darienm2 | angrybsd: on thing I did right off, is hard-code IP addresses for both XP and the Z. |
| 21:22:35 | darienm2 | angrybsd: Haven't had any problems getting XP to recognize when the Z is in/out of the cradle since |
| 21:22:51 | angrybsd | darienm2: ahh how'd you do that |
| 21:23:02 | darienm2 | angrybsd: And to get ethernet over USB takes only one action: I run a 3-line 'routes.sh' script on the Z while its cradled. |
| 21:23:18 | darienm2 | angrybsd: I do this successfully a dozen times a day, for 2 months |
| 21:23:28 | angrybsd | darienm2: awesome |
| 21:23:33 | darienm2 | angrybsd: You can hard-code the Z IP in the network settings |
| 21:23:47 | angrybsd | on hte Z or in XP? |
| 21:23:47 | darienm2 | angrybsd: and you can hard-code the XP IP in the network places 'properties' window |
| 21:24:00 | darienm2 | angrybsd: and you also provide the IP in qtopia desktop |
| 21:24:12 | darienm2 | angrybsd: wanna use my IPs as an example? |
| 21:24:21 | angrybsd | sure |
| 21:24:29 | darienm2 | angrybsd: go to http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php |
| 21:24:38 | darienm2 | Look under one of the first sections for 'files' |
| 21:24:43 | darienm2 | angrybsd: and get 'routes.sh' |
| 21:24:50 | darienm2 | angrybsd: read that, it has examples and tells ya what to do. |
| 21:25:18 | darienm2 | angrybsd: er, 'route.sh' under section 2 |
| 21:26:01 | angrybsd | so i'll rewrite that file on my Z |
| 21:26:03 | angrybsd | where do i make it? |
| 21:26:13 | darienm2 | you can put it wherever you want, /home/root/ works for me |
| 21:26:20 | angrybsd | oh right |
| 21:26:25 | darienm2 | that way, just fire up 'terminal' and type ./route.sh |
| 21:26:28 | darienm2 | and you're done |
| 21:26:29 | angrybsd | yeah |
| 21:26:49 | darienm2 | Want me to walk you thru the settings, on the Z and XP? |
| 21:26:51 | darienm2 | I'd be happy to |
| 21:26:52 | angrybsd | you use vi to write it? |
| 21:26:54 | angrybsd | sure |
| 21:27:00 | angrybsd | lets move to private messages |
| 21:35:31 | Ag0n | Does anyone know where I might find an up to date /etc/pcmcia/config file that might support my D-Link DCF-650W card? It worked under the default Qtopia install, but not with OpenZaurus. |
| 21:35:59 | kergoth | Ag0n: the card works flawless under openzaurus last time i checked. i have that card |
| 21:36:19 | kergoth | Ag0n: and its not in /etc/pcmcia/©config, its in /etc/pcmcia/prism2.conf, iirc |
| 21:36:29 | kergoth | s/\/er/config/; |
| 21:37:07 | prpplague | kergoth: made some great progress on adding x to the build today |
| 21:37:36 | Ag0n | :( I'm not having much luck with it myself. One thing after another. |
| 21:37:47 | prpplague | kergoth: just need some of that code from fastolfe |
| 21:40:20 | Ag0n | Your right though.. it is already listed in the prism2.conf. Are there any known issues reguarding the Wireless LAN settings - specifically involving chosing a "Shared Key" instead of open system. It keeps flopping back to Open System on me as well. |
| 21:44:35 | prpplague | kergoth: do have information or url on the zaurus touch screen api? |
| 21:44:45 | | Test Failed! |
| 21:44:45 | mark | ibot: test |
| 21:47:47 | hunger | kergoth: It works! |
| 21:48:04 | hunger | kergoth: Do you want the toolchain? The kernel still does not build with it though. |
| 21:48:31 | hunger | kergoth: I might have asked you this earlier... sorry if I did. |
| 21:48:39 | hunger | definitly needs some sleep. |
| 21:56:55 | mdz_ | prpplague: I have a daemon which converts zaurus touchscreen events into iPAQ events, which X already understands |
| 22:01:19 | [George-] | I gtg |
| 22:01:22 | [George-] | bye allll |
| 22:05:19 | prpplague | mdz_: dude! |
| 22:05:28 | prpplague | mdz_: where can i get source???? |
| 22:05:47 | mdz_ | prpplague: I can send it to you. I couldn't find the source for fastolfe's stuff, so I rewrote it |
| 22:06:06 | mdz_ | prpplague: it's very basic (doesn't save calibration settings), but works well enough for me |
| 22:06:20 | prpplague | mdz_: ohh ya, please send it along with any other code regarding using x |
| 22:06:22 | | you are, like, mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 22:06:22 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 22:06:46 | mdz_ | pgpplague: even better, http://people.debian.org/~mdz/temp/ztsd.c |
| 22:07:23 | mdz_ | er, prpplague |
| 22:07:35 | prpplague | mdz_: np |
| 22:08:29 | mdz_ | needs some finishing touches, like saving the calibration and a signal handler to delete the PID file |
| 22:08:49 | mdz_ | the calibration could probably use a little work too, seems to be a few pixels off sometimes |
| 22:09:18 | mdz_ | prpplague: are you working off of XFree 4.1 or 4.2? |
| 22:09:29 | prpplague | mdz_: ahh, looks like you've already done a lot of work on getting x running |
| 22:09:36 | mdz_ | prpplague: oh god yes :-) |
| 22:09:49 | mdz_ | prpplague: I've cross-compiled the X server about 80k times in the past week |
| 22:10:29 | prpplague | mdz_: 4.2, and so have i |
| 22:11:03 | prpplague | mdz_: looks like i'm one step behind you with the same issues |
| 22:11:03 | mdz_ | prpplague: 4.2 works fine for me, except I couldn't get XRandR working. So for now I've backed off to 4.1, using the y>x hack it has to rotate the screen |
| 22:11:24 | mdz_ | prpplague: XRandR seems to just segfault, and causes the server to segfault as well |
| 22:12:15 | prpplague | mdz_: ya, i've been having the same problem, but i've been tinkering around with it |
| 22:13:06 | darienm2 | what's the implication of converting Z touchscreen events to iPaq events in X ?? |
| 22:13:15 | darienm2 | It looks important, but I'm not sure why.l |
| 22:13:20 | mdz_ | I also ran into a problem with 4.2 where kdMouseInfo wasn't getting initialized, and not being deallocated correctly, I patched it up a bit |
| 22:13:39 | mdz_ | darienm2: it's just convenient, because X already has an ipaq touchscreen driver |
| 22:13:53 | mdz_ | it would be nice if there were a unified touchscreen interface, and currently ipaq seems to be the closest thing |
| 22:13:57 | darienm2 | oh, so Z folks can piggy-back of fof work already done... ? |
| 22:14:06 | mdz_ | that too |
| 22:14:17 | mdz_ | gotta go, back in 15 |
| 22:14:44 | darienm2 | rw2: My father bought his Z yesterday. |
| 22:14:55 | darienm2 | rw2: I'll have it for a week or two while he waits for accessories to arrive |
| 22:15:09 | darienm2 | rw2: I'll be reflashing it with OZ if you want to come by and see the differences |
| 22:15:15 | darienm2 | rw2: between that and the Sharp rom in person |
| 22:27:45 | | i heard challenge was http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 22:27:45 | darienm2 | ibot challenge |
| 22:28:15 | prpplague | mdz_: ya looks like 4.1 is what fastolfe used |
| 22:31:46 | kergoth | mdz_: there is a unified touchscreen interface, its just not used globally yet. its the input layer. |
| 22:31:48 | kergoth | hhe |
| 22:31:57 | kergoth | prpplague: glad to hear you guys are making progress |
| 22:32:09 | kergoth | hunger: yes, please email me the appropriate info/.mks |
| 22:33:44 | mdz_ | back |
| 22:35:05 | prpplague | mdz_: were you grabbing the 4.1 from cvs? |
| 22:35:26 | mdz_ | prpplague: I was using Debian's 4.1.0-17, which has some stuff from CVS |
| 22:35:37 | mdz_ | prpplague: it doesn't look like the kdrive stuff has been updated in a long time, from looking at cvsweb |
| 22:36:11 | prpplague | mdz_: ya, from what i say, someof the stuff was still referenced to 2.2.x kernels |
| 22:36:54 | mdz_ | prpplague: since 4.2.x didn't seem to have anything new to offer (in this environment), and had some additional problems, I just went with 4.1 |
| 22:37:09 | mdz_ | it also meant I didn't have to mess with building xrandr |
| 22:37:34 | mdz_ | BuildServersOnly and ccache are the only way I got through so many builds |
| 22:39:20 | prpplague | mdz_: i didn't even think to do a strings on the fastolfe build to see which version he was using |
| 22:39:40 | VerxThinking | ok |
| 22:39:41 | mdz_ | prpplague: once I started working with 4.2, it seemed pretty clear that fastolfe was using 4.1 |
| 22:39:45 | VerxThinking | got my design down on paper |
| 22:39:48 | VerxThinking | now to implement my app |
| 22:39:51 | VerxThinking | gets to work |
| 22:39:58 | mdz_ | prpplague: since it worked much better :-) |
| 22:40:41 | prpplague | mdz_: well your page and code looks just plain spiffy |
| 22:41:23 | mdz_ | prpplague: it's coming along pretty nicely. Space is tight, as you can imagine, but I think it'll work out OK |
| 22:43:02 | prpplague | mdz_: things might be a little better if we were using uClibc |
| 22:43:21 | mdz_ | prpplague: there is a group of folks who are doing that |
| 22:43:57 | prpplague | mdz_: mailling list or url? |
| 22:44:05 | mdz_ | prpplague: gpe.handhelds.org are working on it I believe |
| 22:44:09 | kergoth | prpplague: it'll be a simple matter to add an option to build all of openzaurus against uClibc |
| 22:44:22 | ljp | I dont think qtopia compiles with uClibc |
| 22:44:44 | kergoth | we'd find out pretty quick |
| 22:44:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:44:45 | prpplague | mdz_: ya, i'm already on the gpe list, but i didn't know anyone was doing zaurus work |
| 22:44:46 | mdz_ | prpplague: dunno if there is any info on the page about it, but at least one of the Debian ARM folks is working on it |
| 22:44:52 | ljp | unless they fixed it |
| 22:45:00 | mdz_ | if they get an autobuilder going and most packages work, I'd probably switch |
| 22:45:03 | kergoth | ljp: uClibc only recently got c++ support at all. |
| 22:45:22 | prpplague | kergoth: ya thats really what i had ment to say(type) |
| 22:45:31 | mdz_ | prpplague: I don't think it's zaurus-specific at all, but they are working on uClibc-based stuff |
| 22:45:46 | prpplague | mdz_: ahh |
| 22:46:11 | kergoth | prpplague, mdz_: we could just grab erik andersee's build uClibc build target out of the tuxscreen buildsystem. :-) |
| 22:46:13 | prpplague | mdz_: well i build tinyx on my tuxscreen with uClibc and it seems to run very well |
| 22:46:21 | kergoth | yeah, exactly |
| 22:46:23 | kergoth | hey jmhodges |
| 22:46:24 | mdz_ | none of my stuff is really zaurus-specific either, except the current images |
| 22:46:27 | jmhodges | heya kergoth |
| 22:46:38 | kergoth | jmhodges: you ever have any luck building winex out of cvs? its bitching at me |
| 22:46:59 | jmhodges | heh havent tried lately :/ |
| 22:47:06 | kergoth | mdz_: I think we should switch the Z to the ipaq touchscreen driver in 2.4.6, and use the input layer when we switch to 2.4.19 |
| 22:47:12 | jmhodges | i got a new binary (from yet another friend) so thats what im going to try |
| 22:47:14 | kergoth | mdz_: then the daemon would be unnecessary |
| 22:47:18 | mdz_ | keergoth: definitely |
| 22:47:19 | kergoth | jmhodges: ah, gocha |
| 22:47:23 | kergoth | s/cha/tcha/ |
| 22:47:27 | jmhodges | :) |
| 22:47:31 | prpplague | mdz_: well i'm pulling down 4.1 now, i'll give it a whirl shortly |
| 22:47:37 | mdz_ | kergoth: I just needed something to work so that I could get on with other things, and this filled that need |
| 22:47:53 | prpplague | mdz_: care if i write some docs and send them your way? |
| 22:47:55 | kergoth | mdz_: yep. absolutely. i'll work on the longer term solutions when ive got a chance |
| 22:48:08 | mdz_ | prpplague: 4.1.0 works splendidly for me, requires no code patches |
| 22:48:23 | mdz_ | prpplague: I am not one to turn down free documentation at all |
| 22:49:12 | prpplague | mdz_: ohh one last question, which tool chain are you using? |
| 22:50:12 | jmhodges | doh cant find my install discs for NWN |
| 22:51:10 | prpplague | jmhodges: i give up whats NWN? NoWomenNerds? |
| 22:51:37 | jmhodges | neverwinter nights prpplague |
| 22:51:40 | jmhodges | heh prpplague |
| 22:51:46 | jmhodges | stabs prpplague anyway |
| 22:51:51 | mdz_ | prpplague: I'm using the emdebian cross-compiler and libs converted with dpkg-cross |
| 22:51:57 | prpplague | jmhodges: ahh, i here thats pretty nice game |
| 22:52:29 | jmhodges | indeed |
| 22:52:30 | prpplague | mdz_: ahh ok, i'm using the 2.95.3 from the lart sight |
| 22:52:36 | cranch | which port can I scp to? |
| 22:52:41 | jmhodges | well found the quick guide, the user guide, and some Eclipse gum |
| 22:52:42 | mdz_ | kergoth: is there any sd driver available for any newer kernel than 2.4.6? |
| 22:52:43 | jmhodges | mmm.. gum |
| 22:52:47 | cranch | I'm trying to transfer files and it just waits and waits |
| 22:52:52 | cranch | but nothing goes |
| 22:53:26 | prpplague | mdz_: ha, kergoths been banging his head on that one for a few days now |
| 22:54:29 | mdz_ | prpplague: All I've heard him banging about is getting the flash writable ;-) |
| 22:54:44 | cranch | which port does Qtopia use? |
| 22:54:44 | prpplague | mdz_: so you are using /dev/ts instead of fastolfe's /dev/ets? |
| 22:54:54 | mdz_ | prpplague: yep |
| 22:55:06 | VerxHomeWorking | Qt Designer is actually very good |
| 22:55:12 | prpplague | mdz_: i think there were some mtd problems that dwmw2 had to fix |
| 22:55:26 | VerxHomeWorking | I have used some Palm design tools, and compared to them, Qt Designer is just incredible |
| 22:55:47 | kergoth | mdz_: yeah, flash isnt writable. david sent me the fix for the null pointer deref in jffs2, the problem i'm seeing is my own.. i just dont know whats causingi t |
| 22:55:55 | jmhodges | woohoo found em |
| 22:55:55 | jmhodges | hey angrybsd |
| 22:55:59 | jmhodges | adn.. uh.. guest? |
| 22:56:03 | kergoth | mdz_: as to the sd driver, tim riker at lineo has committed to getting me a new binary module for the new kernel |
| 22:56:30 | mdz_ | kergoth: new == 2.5.x? |
| 22:57:02 | nadav | how does the Dlink DCF-650W work with the z? |
| 22:57:08 | kergoth | mdz_: 2.5.x is just for my purposes and to get it into the official tree |
| 22:57:18 | kergoth | mdz_: the next OZ will release with 2.4.19, i'd say |
| 22:57:23 | kergoth | nadav: just fine |
| 22:57:33 | mdz_ | kergoth: perfect |
| 22:57:55 | mdz_ | kergoth: do you know if anyone is fixing the usbd driver? |
| 22:57:59 | cranch | when is the next OZ release? |
| 22:58:05 | cranch | mdz...fixing it because why? |
| 22:58:05 | Wembly | herm funfun. |
| 22:58:16 | Wembly | whenfor did debian testing change to sarge? |
| 22:58:20 | Wembly | or is it surge? |
| 22:58:22 | jmhodges | damn NWN wont install |
| 22:58:25 | mdz_ | Wembly: when woody was released |
| 22:58:31 | mdz_ | cranch: because it constantly logs errors? |
| 22:58:32 | kergoth | cranch: because its shit. |
| 22:58:36 | cranch | ;) |
| 22:58:37 | cranch | gothca |
| 22:58:38 | kergoth | cranch: its also not SMP or preempt safe. |
| 22:58:42 | Wembly | mdz: when was that? |
| 22:58:43 | mdz_ | cranch: and quits working and needs to be reloaded? |
| 22:59:02 | mdz_ | Wembly: http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 22:59:10 | kergoth | mdz_: I'll like have an optional package for OZ that includes the stock usb networking driver instead of the lineo stack. |
| 22:59:27 | nadav | kergoth: ok |
| 22:59:28 | kergoth | mdz_: so you could say, use usbnet on the desktop instead |
| 22:59:41 | prpplague | mdz_: this sounds like a stupid question, but how did you determine the equation for converting the z to ipaq events? |
| 22:59:47 | mdz_ | kergoth: I thought it was different |
| 22:59:54 | kergoth | mdz_: what was? |
| 23:00:02 | kergoth | arghhhh... |
| 23:00:05 | kergoth | Write error in obliterating obsoleted node at 0x00a96b7c: -30 |
| 23:00:05 | kergoth | waiting for chip to be ready timed out in read. WSM status = e0011985 |
| 23:00:05 | kergoth | error -5 reading node at 0x000052ac in get_inode_nodes() |
| 23:00:05 | kergoth | jffs2_get_inode_nodes() for ino 1 returned -5 |
| 23:00:05 | kergoth | get root inode failed |
| 23:00:11 | kergoth | look at that shit. |
| 23:00:20 | kergoth | thats unpleasant. |
| 23:00:20 | mdz_ | kergoth: usbdnet, I thought it worked with different hardware |
| 23:00:31 | Wembly | when will the z get a good linux usb driver for the pc? :/ |
| 23:00:34 | kergoth | mdz_: usbdnet is just a usb device side driver for running ethernet over usb |
| 23:00:38 | mdz_ | prpplague: the ipaq event struct was in xfree86, the zaurus event struct was in the kernel driver header, I just put them together |
| 23:00:46 | mdz_ | prpplague: and figured out the scale by trial and error |
| 23:00:47 | kergoth | mdz_: er, i meant usbdnet is the driver to talk to the device side driver. heh |
| 23:01:13 | kergoth | mdz_: see there are two device side implementations of ethernet over usb right now |
| 23:01:17 | prpplague | mtz_:ahh, ok, i'll go back and do that for my own education, thank |
| 23:01:18 | prpplague | s |
| 23:01:19 | kergoth | mdz_: Lineo's, and the one in the offical tree |
| 23:01:26 | mdz_ | kergoth: I noticed that 2.4.19rc3 seems to have a driver which works with the zaurus, in CDCether or such, so that usbdnet is unnecessary |
| 23:01:37 | mdz_ | kergoth: but I thought a different driver was still necessary for the zaurus side of things |
| 23:01:58 | kergoth | mdz_: cdcether worked with the usb networking stack on old roms only. |
| 23:02:07 | kergoth | mdz_: namely, up to 1.11, iirc |
| 23:02:10 | | darienm was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 2 hours, 47 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: Titan818: No idea. Sorry [Fri Jul 26 21:14:31 2002] |
| 23:02:10 | angrybsd | ibot, seen darienm |
| 23:02:13 | | darienm2 was last seen on #zaurus 34 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: ibot challenge [Sat Jul 27 23:27:45 2002] |
| 23:02:13 | angrybsd | ibot, seen darienm2 |
| 23:02:19 | mdz_ | kergoth: the sharp kernel source has a bunch of notes in it about how usbd sucks, as I'm sure you've noticed. it seems to say that part of the problem is hardware, though |
| 23:02:53 | kergoth | mdz_: ? who cares? my point is, i'm including a second usb device side ethernet driver |
| 23:03:02 | kergoth | mdz_: so that people can use usbnet on the desktop rather than usbdnet. |
| 23:03:07 | kergoth | mdz_: heh |
| 23:03:42 | mdz_ | kergoth: assuming usbnet sucks less than usbdnet, sounds great |
| 23:04:53 | kergoth | mdz_: usbnet is supremely basic, very very few possible points of failure |
| 23:05:06 | kergoth | mdz_: at the very least, debugging it will be easy. i'm familiar with its code. |
| 23:05:52 | kergoth | arhghh |
| 23:06:51 | mdz_ | currently, usbdnet is all I have for networking on my zaurus, and I am damn sick of it hanging up on me |
| 23:07:15 | kergoth | yep, its annoying |
| 23:08:24 | cranch | are you guys talking usbdnet on the Z? |
| 23:08:28 | mdz_ | yes |
| 23:08:30 | cranch | not the usbdnet on the Linux machines |
| 23:08:33 | cranch | k:) |
| 23:09:05 | kergoth | cranch: usbdnet IS the driver on the linux machines. its not referred to as 'usbdnet' on the Z. |
| 23:13:23 | cranch | okay.... |
| 23:18:57 | cranch | so do you recommend I should stay away from the current usbdnet patch for 2.4.18? |
| 23:19:01 | cranch | and just temporarily use this wireless card I've got? |
| 23:19:37 | Wembly | cranch: if you want usb support in linux go with usbdnet. |
| 23:19:44 | Wembly | not as if you had much of a choice. |
| 23:19:48 | cranch | true :) |
| 23:19:53 | kergoth | cranch: usbdnet works... its just unstable at times |
| 23:19:58 | cranch | okay.. |
| 23:20:08 | kergoth | cranch: but hell, you could say that about your average windows box too, and people use it... ;-) |
| 23:20:16 | nadav | heh |
| 23:20:19 | cranch | hahaha true |
| 23:20:29 | nadav | omg |
| 23:20:33 | nadav | i'm gonna go crazy |
| 23:20:36 | cranch | trying to figure out if the patch will fail on my mjc-sources from gentoo |
| 23:20:40 | nadav | i change my mind every second |
| 23:20:41 | cranch | don't go crazy nadav |
| 23:20:43 | cranch | whats the problem |
| 23:20:52 | prpplague | mdz_: i've made a few notes and changes to the ztsd.c , do you want a copy back? |
| 23:20:59 | Wembly | kergoth: usbdnet crashes less then my windows box! :) |
| 23:21:19 | nadav | one second i want a PC, the next i want a mac, one second i'd die for a Z, the next second i'm wondering if i should spend the money for it |
| 23:21:43 | cranch | paid $315 for his :) |
| 23:21:50 | nadav | heh |
| 23:21:50 | kergoth | nadav: you sound confused. |
| 23:22:06 | mdz_ | prpplague: sure |
| 23:22:07 | nadav | Sure am |
| 23:22:10 | prpplague | cranch: ha, i only paid $313 for mine! |
| 23:22:11 | cranch | I agree..you do sound confused nadav |
| 23:22:15 | nadav | and it's been like this for like 2 weeks :D |
| 23:22:20 | cranch | well..if you want to get picky about it..so did I |
| 23:22:22 | cranch | I just rounded |
| 23:22:27 | kergoth | bastards |
| 23:22:32 | mdz_ | prpplague: does it workf or you? |
| 23:22:32 | nadav | heh |
| 23:22:38 | kergoth | i paid 400 for my 5000d and 450 for my 5500 ;-) |
| 23:22:43 | cranch | hehe |
| 23:22:44 | cranch | Yikes |
| 23:22:47 | cranch | :P |
| 23:22:50 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 23:22:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:22:53 | nadav | hehe |
| 23:23:13 | nadav | I need to be rich. Then i'd have no problems.. i'd just by everything! |
| 23:23:13 | kergoth | i had confidence in sharp.. oh well |
| 23:23:20 | kergoth | yeh thatd be nice |
| 23:23:29 | nadav | well, i'm actually not that confused about the Z |
| 23:23:29 | cranch | shit...USBDnet patch failed on mjc-sources |
| 23:23:35 | cranch | is there a way to unpatch stuff? |
| 23:23:36 | nadav | i want it.. it'd be a great thing to play with |
| 23:23:41 | cranch | like the usbdnet says zcat usbdnet-2.4.x.patch.gz | patch -p0 |
| 23:23:46 | kergoth | cranch: dont apply it in th efirst place? |
| 23:23:48 | cranch | anyway to undoo that :) |
| 23:23:57 | cranch | kergoth..I kinda want to send stuff to my Z |
| 23:23:59 | kergoth | cranch: man patch. |
| 23:24:01 | mdz_ | cranch: patch -R |
| 23:24:01 | cranch | I don't have a CF reader |
| 23:24:08 | mdz_ | cranch: and what kergoth said |
| 23:24:10 | cranch | forgets man pages exist |
| 23:24:12 | cranch | haha |
| 23:24:17 | kergoth | smacks cranch around |
| 23:24:23 | nadav | and i have a chance of getting a cheap 5000D |
| 23:24:24 | kergoth | FORGET ABOUT MAN PAGES? |
| 23:24:26 | kergoth | argh |
| 23:24:27 | cranch | typical reaction...ask IRC..then get told to RTFM |
| 23:24:27 | cranch | :) |
| 23:24:28 | kergoth | damn users. |
| 23:24:36 | kergoth | :-P |
| 23:24:38 | jmhodges | argh! anyone know anything about lprng |
| 23:24:41 | nadav | you know the one that needs a re-flash on ebay? |
| 23:24:47 | nadav | hah |
| 23:25:02 | kergoth | nadav: i hope they didnt brick it :-) |
| 23:25:22 | nadav | kergoth: lol |
| 23:25:26 | nadav | i'm winning the bid right now |
| 23:25:30 | prpplague | mdz_: ya i tested on one of my zaurus's that i have fastolfe |
| 23:25:36 | prpplague | mdz_: 's build on |
| 23:25:54 | | i guess zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 23:25:54 | cranch | ibot: zsi |
| 23:25:55 | prpplague | mdz_: i'd like to add some additional features |
| 23:26:15 | prpplague | mdz_: email is otw |
| 23:26:48 | kergoth | smacks cranch again for good measure.. forgetting about man pages.. sheesh |
| 23:26:57 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:27:51 | cranch | haha |
| 23:27:51 | cranch | will forever use man pages first :) |
| 23:28:51 | cranch | I want to know the genious engineer at sharp that made the zaurus flash off of the CF card by holding the C and D keys on the keyboard and then hitting the reset button |
| 23:29:01 | mdz_ | prpplague: thanks for fixing the help and version options, I never even tested them ;-) |
| 23:29:12 | cranch | has fat fingers and has to use his fingers to hold both keys down, and then hold the stylus in his mouth to hit reset |
| 23:29:13 | ljp | prefers woman pages |
| 23:29:19 | nadav | erm |
| 23:29:21 | cranch | lol |
| 23:29:21 | mdz_ | cranch: one gets really good at it after a while, let me tell you |
| 23:29:23 | nadav | can you flash through USB? |
| 23:29:31 | cranch | whens the new OpenZ out? |
| 23:29:54 | kergoth | cranch: oz 2.9.4 has been out for a while.. or did you mean the one with the reverted security behavior so syncing works? |
| 23:29:57 | mdz_ | prpplague: the -f was for "don't fork", by the way. I adjusted that part of the help |
| 23:30:05 | kergoth | cranch: if thats the case, itll be out when i have a chance to work on it |
| 23:30:16 | cranch | wishes he knew how to work on stuff |
| 23:30:28 | prpplague | mdz_: doh, did i leave that as "fall through" |
| 23:31:02 | kergoth | hmm i should submit scripts for building a debian package to the kde folks for the kdeextragear-1 package |
| 23:31:09 | cranch | DO IT |
| 23:31:14 | cranch | hit up Gentoo too :) |
| 23:31:18 | cranch | loves gentoo |
| 23:31:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:31:34 | kergoth | i just installed kde3 on my debian box and realized i needed software to burn cds |
| 23:31:42 | cranch | k3b |
| 23:31:42 | cranch | :) |
| 23:31:43 | kergoth | and i'm so sick of xcdroast.. |
| 23:31:45 | kergoth | yeah exactly |
| 23:31:49 | nadav | heh |
| 23:31:51 | cranch | k3b is also my friend |
| 23:32:13 | nadav | kergoth: do you have to use CF to flash the Z? |
| 23:32:18 | cranch | yup |
| 23:32:21 | kergoth | so now i get to hack together debian package build scripts cause i hate installing shit without using the package management system |
| 23:32:27 | cranch | to open Z you do... |
| 23:32:36 | kergoth | nadav: well, until i throw together a ospack for use with the sharp rom updater, yeah |
| 23:32:54 | nadav | heh |
| 23:32:57 | cranch | kergoth..I'm dumb for asking, but are you the main man for OpenZ |
| 23:33:09 | kergoth | cranch: yep, main, and only. |
| 23:33:09 | nadav | pfft.. even i know he is ;) |
| 23:33:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:33:18 | cranch | oh really? |
| 23:33:28 | angrybsd | just ordered my 256MB sandisk cf card - $80 shipped and $20 rebate for once it arrives :) |
| 23:33:33 | kergoth | cranch: thankfully the opie aspect of it is a seperate project with plenty of people, all i need to manage is the distribution |
| 23:33:34 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 23:33:35 | angrybsd | $60 after everything |
| 23:33:53 | nadav | wonders if there's any *cough*warez*cough* for macs |
| 23:34:22 | cranch | of course nadav |
| 23:34:30 | kergoth | after trying to browbeat winex cvs to build i'm tempted to warez the binary package... :-P |
| 23:34:36 | kergoth | stupid thing |
| 23:34:38 | nadav | cranch: and where would you find it? ;) |
| 23:34:57 | kergoth | nadav: i'd say newsgroups |
| 23:35:01 | jmhodges | hehe kergoth |
| 23:35:08 | jmhodges | kergoth: i cant get the latest binary to install NWN |
| 23:35:09 | jmhodges | :( |
| 23:35:15 | kergoth | jmhodges: hmm |
| 23:35:22 | kergoth | jmhodges: try installing it in windows, and just running it from linux.. |
| 23:35:31 | kergoth | jmhodges: i've seen that happen before, where the installer just wont cooperate |
| 23:35:35 | jmhodges | heh.. i would.. but i have ntfs on the other :( |
| 23:35:39 | kergoth | so? |
| 23:35:48 | kergoth | you can read ntfs just fine. copy nwn over |
| 23:36:07 | jmhodges | yeah ok .. |
| 23:36:24 | jmhodges | wishes he could get those registry changes down |
| 23:36:28 | jmhodges | man that would be nice |
| 23:37:11 | kergoth | jmhodges: what changes? |
| 23:37:46 | kergoth | jmhodges: thats a good idea actually, you should export the nwn stuff out of your windows registry as well as copying nwn |
| 23:37:51 | jmhodges | kergoth: i tried taking the registry entires from windows and transferring them into the winex registry.. but something got lost in the translation or i missed a registry |
| 23:38:12 | jmhodges | entry |
| 23:38:12 | jmhodges | that is |
| 23:38:21 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:38:34 | kergoth | i havent jumped headlong into that yet |
| 23:38:41 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:38:43 | kergoth | as i'm still fighting the winex build |
| 23:38:48 | jmhodges | ouch |
| 23:38:50 | kergoth | i've tried older cvs checkouts too |
| 23:38:53 | kergoth | they dont build either :-) |
| 23:39:14 | jmhodges | kergoth ./configure --prefix=/usr \ |
| 23:39:14 | jmhodges | --enable-opengl \ |
| 23:39:14 | jmhodges | --with-x |
| 23:39:23 | jmhodges | make depend && |
| 23:39:23 | jmhodges | make |
| 23:39:29 | jmhodges | make install |
| 23:39:33 | jmhodges | that not work? |
| 23:39:42 | kergoth | checks |
| 23:40:31 | kergoth | i hacked up the wine cvs debian build scripts |
| 23:40:37 | jmhodges | ah |
| 23:40:38 | kergoth | so i could build a winex .deb |
| 23:40:39 | kergoth | hehh |
| 23:40:42 | jmhodges | thats from lunars build :) |
| 23:40:45 | jmhodges | lol nice kergoth |
| 23:40:55 | kergoth | i hate installing shit without using a package management system :-) |
| 23:41:00 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:44:02 | kergoth | hm whats a good instant messaging client for kde? |
| 23:44:26 | jmhodges | gaim? ;) |
| 23:44:33 | angrybsd | hehe |
| 23:44:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:44:39 | kergoth | fine fine |
| 23:44:56 | jmhodges | naim? ickle? gabber? everybuddy? |
| 23:45:03 | jmhodges | licq? |
| 23:45:14 | kergoth | kit, kinkatta, konverse |
| 23:45:18 | kergoth | yeah, there are a lot of options |
| 23:45:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:45:21 | jmhodges | ah we dont have those.. yet |
| 23:45:22 | angrybsd | lot |
| 23:45:25 | angrybsd | kit's good |
| 23:45:27 | jmhodges | well.. not as separate modules |
| 23:45:32 | kergoth | i dont like that kit uses TOS |
| 23:45:36 | jmhodges | they amy be in the kde-* ones |
| 23:45:41 | kergoth | i hate re-adding all my fuckin buddy's to the buddy list |
| 23:45:56 | jmhodges | yep seems like it |
| 23:46:00 | jmhodges | found a kit binary |
| 23:46:04 | jmhodges | no idea what it is though |
| 23:47:21 | kergoth | well winex is building.. here's hoping it doesnt abort close to the end again |
| 23:47:27 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:49:09 | ljp | fuddy-duddy |
| 23:49:37 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:49:45 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:51:59 | nadav | ArGH |
| 23:52:31 | jmhodges | argh? |
| 23:52:48 | nadav | yes. |
| 23:52:58 | jmhodges | argh... what? :) |
| 23:53:13 | nadav | you didn't read my whole confusion rant? ;) |
| 23:53:25 | nadav | "whole".. wasn't long at all actuall |
| 23:53:27 | nadav | y |
| 23:54:07 | jmhodges | uh.. i was out for a while |
| 23:54:23 | nadav | well.. |
| 23:54:31 | nadav | i can't make up my mind |
| 23:54:40 | nadav | pc, mac, Z, no Z etc |
| 23:54:49 | jmhodges | :/ ook |
| 23:54:56 | nadav | i change my mind every second ;) |
| 23:55:03 | nadav | and it's been like this for 3 weeks |
| 23:55:14 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:56:41 | nadav | Guess i'll go to the apple store when i go back to atlanta on monday |
| 23:56:47 | angrybsd | nadav: if you like games, get a PC :) |
| 23:56:50 | nadav | heh |
| 23:56:58 | nadav | Well, i haven't gamed much at all lately |
| 23:57:17 | nadav | and i'll always have the 1.2ghz athlon the family uses if i want to game.. |
| 23:57:29 | angrybsd | :) |
| 23:57:37 | angrybsd | and you can get linux on the mac too now |
| 23:57:41 | angrybsd | i want one of those ibooks |
| 23:57:44 | angrybsd | those are slick |
| 23:58:09 | nadav | heh |
| 23:58:13 | angrybsd | or powerbook |
| 23:58:14 | angrybsd | hehe |
| 23:58:30 | nadav | and then of course, if i do choose a mac |
| 23:58:38 | nadav | i'll have to choose which mac i want... |
| 23:58:38 | nadav | :D |
| 23:58:47 | angrybsd | hehe |
| 23:58:51 | codemnky | hola |
| 23:58:51 | nadav | that'll be easier though |
| 23:58:57 | angrybsd | the good thing about macs are that you dont need to choose the brand or anything |
| 23:59:02 | nadav | can't afford a tibook.. so emac or ibook |
| 23:59:04 | nadav | heh |
| 23:59:06 | angrybsd | but the bad thing is that the prices are higher because of that |
| 23:59:07 | angrybsd | hehe |
| 23:59:08 | roge99_laptop | hey codemnky |
| 23:59:48 | jmhodges | hey codemnky |
| 23:59:56 | codemnky | hey jmh |
