| 00:01:03 | ljp | oh.. cause the fbvnc sources are on lineos ftp site again |
| 00:01:21 | Neo|Work | VerxHome: it'll be on a Zaurus near you soon |
| 00:04:55 | JasonNJ-home | ljp: fbvnc source is on sourceforge zaurus page |
| 00:05:08 | JasonNJ-home | what I really want, is the xfree86 stuff |
| 00:05:15 | angryBSD | elloh |
| 00:05:21 | JasonNJ-home | that stuff flat out fell off the edge of the earth |
| 00:06:00 | ljp | is there special source then for xfree? |
| 00:06:25 | prpplague | JasonNJ-home: ya thats what i want as well |
| 00:06:42 | prpplague | JasonNJ-home: i'm working on adding xfree86 to oz |
| 00:06:58 | angryBSD | has anybody ported SFCave to the Z yet? |
| 00:07:11 | prpplague | JasonNJ-home: maybe we can harras BZFlag for some more info.... |
| 00:07:28 | ljp | doesnt familiar have some? |
| 00:08:14 | prpplague | ljp: ya it looks like pierre used a bunch of the ipaq config, but he created some addition code to handle the zaurus touch screen events |
| 00:09:22 | ljp | and you are looking for touchscreen code? |
| 00:09:38 | ljp | is confused |
| 00:10:58 | prpplague | i'd settle for the touch screen daemon, but i'd love to see all the code for the xfree86 ipkg |
| 00:11:24 | prpplague | it bothers me that binaries are available with no source |
| 00:11:30 | prpplague | or patches |
| 00:11:55 | kergoth | see thats why i like having all my source modifications in a source repository somewhere.. cvs.. bk.. |
| 00:11:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:12:29 | scanline | indeed |
| 00:13:14 | prpplague | kergoth: what? you mean you don't like storing your code on 720k floppies? |
| 00:13:47 | kergoth | prpplague: not anymore :-P |
| 00:13:59 | oGMo | yeah, what's more reliable than removable magnetic media |
| 00:14:25 | ljp | prpp: I'll email riker for the xfree code, I'm sure its around there somewhere |
| 00:14:36 | scanline | would prefer to have a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Monkeys memorize his code |
| 00:14:43 | oGMo | scanline: hehehe |
| 00:14:43 | prpplague | oGMo: well the only other thing is to give the only copy to mangement for safe keeping........ |
| 00:15:17 | oGMo | prpplague: yeah, there you go :) |
| 00:15:36 | tux_mike | woo. new imapd works |
| 00:16:02 | prpplague | ljp: thanks, i was planning to harras him when showed up on irc |
| 00:16:23 | angryBSD | brb, goin dual mon. |
| 00:17:12 | ljp | prpp: heh he's really busy, so even if he shows up here, ha may not answer. I'll emial him tonight |
| 00:19:42 | prpplague | ljp: ya that cto job is keeping him busy |
| 00:24:11 | w00t | hey guys! |
| 00:25:16 | prpplague | howdy |
| 00:25:20 | w00t | i just got my wireless CF card working, and now want to setup a samba/nfs mount to point to a (windows) drive |
| 00:25:28 | prpplague | eww |
| 00:25:41 | w00t | can someone please point me to a resource explaining how to do such a task, please? |
| 00:26:20 | prpplague | is there a samba package for the zaurus? |
| 00:26:37 | kergoth | yeah, there is, iirc |
| 00:26:40 | w00t | yeah |
| 00:27:03 | w00t | in fact - the tkcPlayer mentioned doing something like it - but it was out of the scope of the guide :( |
| 00:27:15 | prpplague | ljp: you work for lineo? |
| 00:27:22 | w00t | kergoth - is the name of the package iirc? |
| 00:28:43 | VerxHome | ljp: Ok, I created a new qt project in vc++ |
| 00:28:51 | VerxHome | I created my .ui file |
| 00:28:55 | w00t | also, is it possible for me to mount a windows drive over the network (provided that I find and install samba correctly) |
| 00:29:07 | VerxHome | now how do I get it to compile? |
| 00:29:31 | ljp | verx: use uic to make a header and cpp source out of it |
| 00:29:32 | VerxHome | I have created several program on Linux using g++ |
| 00:29:37 | VerxHome | this seems harder in vc++ |
| 00:29:43 | ljp | uic -o somefile.h somefile.ui |
| 00:30:06 | VerxHome | ok, so from the commandline then, none of the buttons in the GUI does that step? |
| 00:30:08 | ljp | or |
| 00:30:29 | ljp | in your pro file. add th eui for INTERFACES: somefile.ui |
| 00:30:54 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 00:34:00 | prpplague | guess i deal with no ts for now and test some x builds........ |
| 00:36:25 | w00t | im browsing thru sf - what is essentialvol2, zutilsvol2 ? |
| 00:36:38 | w00t | (the latter being under the former) |
| 00:46:49 | ljp | uuhhhh.. is this what they really meant by screenshots? http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=337 |
| 00:47:28 | VerxHome | rofl ljp |
| 00:47:32 | VerxHome | that is truly hilarious |
| 00:47:35 | prpplague | ljp: argh |
| 00:47:43 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 00:47:48 | prpplague | ljp: my 4 year takes better pics than that |
| 00:48:00 | Xentac | I read about someone working on the port... I didn't know how far he was along |
| 00:48:00 | prpplague | s/year/year old |
| 00:48:02 | treke|home | wonderful |
| 00:49:36 | treke|home | well lets see how well it works |
| 00:50:21 | jmhodges | lol i love tose |
| 00:51:41 | ljp | problem with taking shots like that is.. the screen is reflective! |
| 00:52:01 | VerxHome | ljp: How do I generate .pro files in vs? |
| 00:52:25 | ljp | verx: I think you'll have to edit that |
| 00:52:43 | VerxHome | ok, that's easy enough |
| 00:52:43 | VerxHome | :) |
| 00:52:45 | ljp | pro files are fairly basic |
| 00:52:53 | VerxHome | yup |
| 00:53:45 | VerxHome | oh cool |
| 00:53:49 | VerxHome | it generated my .h file |
| 00:57:23 | ljp | ya.. I remember my first beer..... |
| 00:57:32 | ljp | :D |
| 00:59:18 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 01:00:02 | Neo|Work | goes home |
| 01:00:09 | Neo|Work | tonight I'll work on EonConfig. :) |
| 01:00:50 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot.png :-P |
| 01:01:37 | codemnky | anyone here know anything micro$oft sql server |
| 01:01:41 | codemnky | i need a bit of help pls |
| 01:01:41 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:02:02 | prpplague | ljp: which one is that? |
| 01:02:02 | prpplague | ljp: http://www.ratebeer.com/ViewUser.asp?UserID=1210 |
| 01:02:35 | codemnky | anyone? |
| 01:03:47 | prpplague | codemnky: i know i don't like it. does that count? |
| 01:04:05 | prpplague | codemnky: sorry, syntax issues? |
| 01:05:12 | ljp | heh coors |
| 01:05:16 | W|GGL|T | how long is cloud on vacation? |
| 01:05:35 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: week :) |
| 01:05:43 | jmhodges | prpplague: what field of science? :) |
| 01:05:48 | codemnky | i can connect to it just fine from one host but another i get connection refussed |
| 01:06:03 | codemnky | using linux/perl/DBI/DBD-Sybase/freetds |
| 01:06:19 | codemnky | trying to figure out if the sql server can block ips |
| 01:06:36 | codemnky | i'm checked all firewalls and ports |
| 01:06:38 | codemnky | i'v |
| 01:06:38 | prpplague | jmhodges: anything, my parents cursed me by making me interested in everything |
| 01:07:04 | prpplague | jmhodges: and an expert at nothing |
| 01:07:09 | jmhodges | hehhehe |
| 01:07:30 | jmhodges | prpplague: major in cs? with a side hobby in other sciences? or something else? |
| 01:08:45 | prpplague | jmhodges: no degree, but over 300 semester hours, mainly work experience, i hardly tell people anymore all the things i've done because think i'm lying |
| 01:09:03 | jmhodges | hehehe prpplague, go ahead ill believe it |
| 01:09:10 | kergoth | prpplague: I have the same curse. the interested in everything, expert at nothing, deal |
| 01:09:24 | kergoth | prpplague: makes picking a major nearly impossible |
| 01:10:01 | ACEDOG | heh, I chose physics, buy my passion is unix. Good combo. |
| 01:10:47 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:10:54 | jmhodges | wb warmi |
| 01:10:56 | ljp | I would prefer to be an expert at women... heh |
| 01:10:57 | warmi | re |
| 01:10:58 | prpplague | kergoth: thats why i always liked the "pretender" tv show, i think i could have made a good pretender, i.e. i know enough to put on a good show, but not enough to trend setter |
| 01:11:05 | jmhodges | heheh ljp |
| 01:11:11 | kergoth | that show kicks ass |
| 01:11:13 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:12:06 | jmhodges | i love pretender.. |
| 01:12:10 | jmhodges | used to love it more |
| 01:12:26 | [DrEvil] | re |
| 01:12:29 | jmhodges | than i started really falling in love with physics .. now its just a "damn thats cool" |
| 01:12:33 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: re |
| 01:12:41 | jmhodges | wb [DrEvil] |
| 01:12:56 | prpplague | i love the episode when parker dressed up bruts daughter just like her |
| 01:12:56 | [DrEvil] | gets hungry |
| 01:13:26 | ACEDOG | physics is fun, at least experimental (which I'm in). |
| 01:13:38 | jmhodges | nice ACEDOG |
| 01:13:50 | [DrEvil] | I need to send my phone back to Sony Ericsson |
| 01:13:54 | jmhodges | i want in on quantum computing :) |
| 01:14:17 | ACEDOG | I'm a low temp condensed matter guy. |
| 01:14:35 | prpplague | jmhodges: my family line is very long in the sciences |
| 01:14:52 | ljp | I'm a sleep on a tropical beach type of guy |
| 01:15:02 | ACEDOG | I build (or am building) cryostats and a low temp STM. |
| 01:15:09 | ACEDOG | haha |
| 01:15:10 | jmhodges | sweet prpplague |
| 01:15:14 | jmhodges | nice ACEDOG :) |
| 01:15:19 | jmhodges | heheh ljp |
| 01:15:30 | ACEDOG | I'm a beer drinking kind of guy, but that goes with physics. |
| 01:15:32 | prpplague | jmhodges: know the celsius temperature scale? |
| 01:16:16 | prpplague | ACEDOG: you set up on ratebeer.com ? |
| 01:16:23 | jmhodges | not particularly well but i learn quick ;) |
| 01:17:03 | prpplague | jmhodges: it was invented by anders celsius, his third son changes is last name to anders in honor of his father, and so began my family line |
| 01:17:04 | ACEDOG | no, but maybe I should. I'm a poor grad student, so I can't afford the fancy stuff. |
| 01:17:13 | jmhodges | lol whoa prpplague! |
| 01:17:35 | ACEDOG | Where I work we only care about Lord Kelvin. |
| 01:17:41 | jmhodges | hehehehe |
| 01:17:43 | prpplague | ACEDOG: lol |
| 01:17:48 | jmhodges | silly low temp physicists |
| 01:17:56 | ACEDOG | haha, very silly |
| 01:18:18 | prpplague | jmhodges: more recently, William A. Anders was the pilot for the Apollo 8 mission |
| 01:18:45 | jmhodges | ACEDOG: i dunno if i asked you this in a previous conv.. but are you guys working on a bose-einstein condesate experiment? |
| 01:18:48 | prpplague | jmhodges: thats my grand uncle |
| 01:18:49 | jmhodges | ooo prpplague |
| 01:19:01 | prpplague | jmhodges: remember you asked |
| 01:19:09 | jmhodges | heheheh prpplague i did :P |
| 01:20:00 | ACEDOG | you did ask something about that. That's not really what I do, though. |
| 01:20:26 | ACEDOG | We deal more with magnetic superconductors. |
| 01:20:37 | jmhodges | aah still intiguing |
| 01:20:39 | prpplague | ACEDOG: hmm, rail guns? |
| 01:20:42 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:20:56 | ACEDOG | Yes, we've made great rail guns! |
| 01:21:04 | W|GGL|T | rail gun! Quake3! |
| 01:21:29 | ACEDOG | My wife always tells people that I make bombs! I like the rail gun idea better. |
| 01:21:38 | prpplague | ACEDOG: lol |
| 01:22:17 | W|GGL|T | that doesn't make them start lecturing you? |
| 01:22:43 | ACEDOG | The stuff I do will just show up in a journal somewhere. No Nobel prize here. I just need to finish to get the Dr in front of my name. |
| 01:22:53 | W|GGL|T | i used to tell people that i was once a nuclear weapons specialist and i'd get an earful of their tree-hugging philosophy |
| 01:23:22 | ACEDOG | let them live in their trees, makes good target practice |
| 01:23:27 | W|GGL|T | LOL! |
| 01:24:04 | prpplague | does anyone besides me want to order a red swingline stapler? |
| 01:24:04 | W|GGL|T | gotta remember that one...that'll make a good conversation stopper :o) |
| 01:24:30 | prpplague | lol |
| 01:24:52 | W|GGL|T | what's a red swingline stapler? |
| 01:24:59 | jmhodges_ | sigh |
| 01:25:01 | jmhodges_ | <W|GGL|T> that doesn't make them start lecturing you?\ |
| 01:25:03 | jmhodges_ | LOL W|GGL|T .. remember office space? |
| 01:25:23 | W|GGL|T | eh? |
| 01:25:36 | jmhodges | the movie? |
| 01:25:39 | ACEDOG | what's going on with jmhodges? |
| 01:25:44 | jmhodges | dialup |
| 01:25:52 | ACEDOG | ahh |
| 01:25:54 | jmhodges | the number i dial in has a two hour limit |
| 01:25:57 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 01:26:00 | jmhodges | its an edu |
| 01:26:06 | jmhodges | the other numbers get waaay busy |
| 01:26:07 | prpplague | http://www.swingline.com/b2c/ourproducts/ProductDetailStaples.jsp?coreProductID=7608&hierID=5501&rootHierID=14 |
| 01:26:25 | ACEDOG | that's why I went cable down here, we had a 4 hour limit |
| 01:26:59 | jmhodges | yeah.. well we are moving next month.. and .. |
| 01:27:18 | jmhodges | well im moving into a dorm on the 22 or something :) |
| 01:27:22 | jmhodges | of aug |
| 01:28:24 | ACEDOG | when I lived on campus, we didn't have ethernet. still had to dial up from the dorms. It was pretty cool though, dial in, program on the VAX. Fun stuff. |
| 01:28:45 | prpplague | pops 'office space' into his illegal linux dvd player |
| 01:29:17 | jmhodges | hheheh prpplague |
| 01:29:23 | jmhodges | ACEDOG: damn |
| 01:29:32 | treke|home | which illegal player? |
| 01:29:38 | prpplague | argh, this x build is starting to annoy me |
| 01:29:39 | jmhodges | ACEDOG: oooooold schooool! acedog is oooold schoooool |
| 01:29:50 | prpplague | treke|home: i use ogle with decss |
| 01:30:03 | treke|home | ah. different type of illegal player :) |
| 01:30:13 | tux_mike | found a TI teletype in a storage locker at work :) |
| 01:30:19 | ACEDOG | Hey, I'm not that old... really, I not, I swear! |
| 01:30:25 | treke|home | usually uses lindvd |
| 01:30:26 | prpplague | tux_mike: silent 700? |
| 01:30:54 | tux_mike | prpplague: didn't make note of the model, i'll check it out next time i go into the cage :) |
| 01:31:16 | prpplague | tux_mike: i think i still have some schematics for some cool hacks for the s-700 |
| 01:31:49 | tux_mike | s-700 got 3 rocker switches (caps, echo and power) and a thermal printer? |
| 01:32:28 | ACEDOG | if you guys are developers for the zaurus, please allow it to suspend if there is a CF card attached. I hate taking that thing out all the time. |
| 01:32:42 | kergoth | ACEDOG: i have no problems with that. |
| 01:32:51 | kergoth | ACEDOG: suspends just fine |
| 01:32:53 | prpplague | tux_mike: yep, however there were a couple of other ti model that could have the same description |
| 01:33:20 | tux_mike | got pic? |
| 01:33:56 | ACEDOG | mine will not suspend if I have the socket CF LPE in there, I have to tell the zaurus to eject. |
| 01:34:11 | kergoth | ACEDOG :sounds like a problem with the socket's driver. |
| 01:34:23 | kergoth | ACEDOG: my cf cards work flawless, no suspend problems |
| 01:34:33 | tux_mike | i've had sparatic problems with ejects on my wlan card too |
| 01:34:39 | kergoth | ejects, yes |
| 01:34:40 | kergoth | suspends, no |
| 01:34:42 | ACEDOG | could be, but that's what Sharp liked, so I wanted something that would work. |
| 01:34:43 | tux_mike | my final solution, just yank the damn thing |
| 01:34:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:34:57 | kergoth | ACEDOG: yes, its a good card |
| 01:35:12 | kergoth | ACEDOG: i'm saying if theres a suspend problem.. email the guy who did the driver. we're not going to know how to fix it. |
| 01:35:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:35:19 | ACEDOG | It works fine, I'd just rather leave it in there. |
| 01:35:39 | prpplague | tux_mike: http://www.omnidatasys.net/product/spec_dataterminal_ti707.htm |
| 01:35:40 | Xentac | NeoTron: are you there? |
| 01:35:43 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 01:35:52 | angryBSD | yo |
| 01:35:58 | tux_mike | that's the little guy :) |
| 01:36:09 | VerxHome | needs a .cpp file for his app |
| 01:36:16 | ACEDOG | Ok, I'll look him up. I guess it's not that guy from gsfc who did all the other ethernet drivers. |
| 01:36:16 | VerxHome | some kind of simplistic thingy |
| 01:36:33 | treke|home | VerxHome: you think? :) |
| 01:36:44 | VerxHome | well |
| 01:36:46 | Xentac | anyone programmed with SDL on the Zaurus? |
| 01:36:56 | VerxHome | when I wrote my own test app WITHOUT qt designer |
| 01:36:59 | VerxHome | all I needed was main.cpp |
| 01:37:21 | treke|home | VerxHome: Get the sdk and look at the test app |
| 01:37:25 | angryBSD | is anyone participating in the sharp QT thingy |
| 01:37:33 | VerxHome | is |
| 01:37:37 | treke|home | is |
| 01:37:45 | VerxHome | is about to go back to coding without a GUI |
| 01:37:51 | VerxHome | that certainly was going better. . . |
| 01:37:52 | tux_mike | cant belive anyone would use a TTY anymore |
| 01:37:53 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 01:38:05 | VerxHome | slaps tux_mike |
| 01:38:07 | treke|home | VerxHome: QT-Designer works ok once you figure it out |
| 01:38:17 | VerxHome | tux_mike: Of all my linux machines, my ipaq is the ONLY one with a gui |
| 01:38:26 | VerxHome | treke: How many months does it take? |
| 01:38:33 | treke|home | VerxHome: 2 days |
| 01:38:36 | treke|home | at least for me |
| 01:38:40 | VerxHome | ok |
| 01:38:42 | tux_mike | VerxHome: actual Teletype, printer and keyboard |
| 01:38:55 | VerxHome | treke: Did you use visual studie with it? |
| 01:39:02 | treke|home | VerxHome: nope |
| 01:39:10 | tux_mike | not a tty dev. |
| 01:39:16 | prpplague | tux_mike: actually a bunch of the oil industry still uses them to check data acquistion device on wells and pipelines |
| 01:39:19 | VerxHome | tux: Ahh, I misunderstood ya |
| 01:39:21 | treke|home | VerxHome: dont see why that would affect much other than your make files |
| 01:39:34 | VerxHome | treke: Well, how you glue them together matters |
| 01:39:41 | tux_mike | 300 bits-per-second (bps) communication speed |
| 01:39:41 | tux_mike | Icon30 characters-per-second (cps) throughput |
| 01:39:45 | VerxHome | it looks like visual studio makes some assumptions about file names and such |
| 01:39:59 | treke|home | pages warmi |
| 01:40:41 | treke|home | VerxHome: all I can recommend off hand is to not use visual studio project |
| 01:41:05 | treke|home | and just build using tmake and nmake |
| 01:42:15 | | rumour has it contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 01:42:15 | angryBSD | ibot, contest |
| 01:42:22 | angryBSD | sweet that thing knows everything |
| 01:42:52 | prpplague | is getting jack done tonight |
| 01:42:54 | angryBSD | ermm is it possible to do blowfish enc. using QT on the Z? |
| 01:43:02 | angryBSD | and generate PGP keys? |
| 01:43:13 | kergoth | angryBSD: Z doesnt have much for entropy |
| 01:43:19 | kergoth | angryBSD: wouldnt do well |
| 01:43:31 | Com[Plex | they should change the bots name to "what" |
| 01:43:40 | Com[Plex | so when anyone asks, it will answer. |
| 01:43:43 | Com[Plex | ie, |
| 01:43:47 | VerxHome | kergoth: Why not sample pen input? |
| 01:43:47 | Com[Plex | ibot is the contest? |
| 01:43:49 | VerxHome | as entropy |
| 01:44:03 | Com[Plex | uh.. wtf |
| 01:44:12 | VerxHome | ibot, is the contest? |
| 01:44:12 | Com[Plex | ibot is zsi? |
| 01:44:18 | | i heard zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 01:44:18 | VerxHome | ibot, zsi |
| 01:44:21 | Com[Plex | it works in a message |
| 01:44:29 | Com[Plex | without a comma |
| 01:44:37 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 01:44:37 | treke|home | ibot zsi |
| 01:45:01 | angryBSD | Com[Plex: how about associating "where" with it too |
| 01:45:06 | | the contest is probably http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 01:45:06 | angryBSD | ibot, where is the contest |
| 01:45:16 | Com[Plex | *shrug* |
| 01:45:31 | | the women are always right, always gorgeous and always have the last word... Oh and they know everything! |
| 01:45:31 | angryBSD | ibot, where the women at |
| 01:46:13 | Com[Plex | women are DUMB |
| 01:46:21 | angryBSD | are there any current Z applications that use blowfish encryption / PGP keys? |
| 01:48:03 | VerxHome | woah |
| 01:48:04 | loadtoad | gnupg can be used on the Z |
| 01:48:15 | VerxHome | used all the defaults in vc++ |
| 01:48:19 | VerxHome | and it just compiled |
| 01:48:24 | VerxHome | tries running it |
| 01:48:39 | VerxHome | holy shit |
| 01:48:45 | VerxHome | (pardon my french) |
| 01:48:56 | angryBSD | so would i be able to incorporate gnupg keygen and blowfish encryption into a program im thinking of making? |
| 01:49:02 | VerxHome | now to send this all to my linux box to cross compile it |
| 01:49:06 | loadtoad | yep |
| 01:49:29 | treke|home | VerxHome: which app is yours? |
| 01:49:39 | VerxHome | treke: They got it wrong on their web page |
| 01:49:42 | loadtoad | http://www.criticalintegration.com/zaurus/ |
| 01:49:50 | Com[Plex | im gonna go play some more day of the tentacle on my Z :> |
| 01:49:54 | VerxHome | I am somewhat fearful I will get disqualified because of it |
| 01:49:55 | jmhodges | hey the critint site is up! |
| 01:50:03 | treke|home | VerxHome: ? |
| 01:50:05 | VerxHome | I submitted an app for a D&D character manager |
| 01:50:09 | jmhodges | who was i talking to from criticalintegration? |
| 01:50:14 | VerxHome | and they crossed out the "D&D game" |
| 01:50:16 | VerxHome | on the web page |
| 01:50:25 | treke|home | VerxHome: Well if sniper oked it, your good to go |
| 01:50:29 | loadtoad | hey thewy have socat on that page |
| 01:50:31 | VerxHome | I talked to sniper, he oked it |
| 01:50:45 | prpplague | i need to port my beer database and rater to qt |
| 01:50:54 | angryBSD | sniper = running the contest? |
| 01:51:32 | VerxHome | looks that way |
| 01:52:07 | loadtoad | man need an icq client for the Z |
| 01:52:08 | angryBSD | is he ever on here? |
| 01:52:15 | VerxHome | once in a while, yes |
| 01:52:18 | angryBSD | loadtoad: you can use jabber |
| 01:52:46 | loadtoad | well i have not got around to paying for anything yet |
| 01:52:49 | loadtoad | :) |
| 01:53:02 | VerxHome | loadtoad: There is a free jabber client |
| 01:53:06 | VerxHome | on zsi |
| 01:53:09 | VerxHome | gpl'd |
| 01:53:25 | loadtoad | yeah does not work yet i have been testing it |
| 01:53:35 | loadtoad | still buggy but getting there |
| 01:53:54 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 01:53:56 | VerxHome | I hadn't tried it |
| 01:53:58 | VerxHome | just saw it |
| 01:54:27 | Com[Plex | 5m |
| 01:55:00 | angryBSD | my idea: encrypted instant messages over AIM protocol with the zaurus |
| 01:55:02 | loadtoad | kicq maybe i could just recompile it :) never that simple though |
| 01:56:53 | prpplague | ljp: just heard back from tim, seems pierre didn't inform anyone where that code lived..... |
| 01:57:13 | VerxHome | ok, looks like visual studio doesn't generate the .pro file |
| 01:57:34 | VerxHome | so theoretically that is all I have to do to get tmake to compile the stuff visual studio generates |
| 02:00:25 | VerxHome | holy shit |
| 02:00:30 | VerxHome | I just made the .pro file |
| 02:00:33 | VerxHome | and it compiled on linux |
| 02:02:21 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 56 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: if you could get an iPaq rom, you could probably do it [Wed Jul 24 23:05:28 2002] |
| 02:02:21 | darienm | ibot seen bigboss |
| 02:02:50 | | angrybsd was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen angrybsd [Thu Jul 25 03:02:50 2002] |
| 02:02:50 | angryBSD | ibot seen angrybsd |
| 02:03:32 | | Com[Plex was last seen on #zaurus 9 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: 5m [Thu Jul 25 02:54:27 2002] |
| 02:03:32 | angryBSD | ibot seen Com[Plex |
| 02:03:39 | angryBSD | i like ibot |
| 02:03:48 | | angryBSD: sorry... |
| 02:03:48 | angryBSD | ibot, marry me |
| 02:04:32 | VerxHome | sh-2.03# ./main |
| 02:04:32 | VerxHome | ./main: error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:04:33 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 02:05:46 | VerxHome | thinks something has changed in opie since he left on vacation. . . |
| 02:05:56 | Com[Plex | hehe |
| 02:07:41 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:07:48 | VerxHome | ldconfig'd it such that it found the lib |
| 02:07:50 | VerxHome | now. . . |
| 02:07:54 | VerxHome | has this problem |
| 02:07:58 | VerxHome | sh-2.03# ./main |
| 02:07:59 | VerxHome | Cannot find font definition file /usr/local/qt-embedded/lib/fonts/fontdir - is $QTDIR set correctly? |
| 02:08:20 | VerxHome | it seems like previously it would COMPLAIN about that |
| 02:08:25 | VerxHome | but not require it to be fixed |
| 02:08:31 | VerxHome | defines QTDIR |
| 02:09:45 | VerxHome | 's app ran on the ipaq! |
| 02:09:50 | VerxHome | woooooohoooooo |
| 02:09:58 | | i think contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 02:09:58 | angryBSD | ibot, contest |
| 02:10:01 | VerxHome | looks like the sizing isn't quite right |
| 02:10:03 | VerxHome | which is confusing |
| 02:10:16 | VerxHome | set it to a width of 240 pixels, yet it doesn't fill the entire width |
| 02:10:59 | codemnky | any one here know anything about windows sql server ? |
| 02:11:07 | VerxHome | thank god no |
| 02:11:14 | codemnky | man i need help |
| 02:11:17 | VerxHome | knows it sucks |
| 02:11:19 | codemnky | damn microsoft |
| 02:11:23 | | java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 02:11:23 | angryBSD | ibot, java |
| 02:12:32 | angryBSD | is there a tutorial on writing java apps for the Z anywhere |
| 02:13:29 | | java faq is at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 02:13:29 | darienm | ibot java faq |
| 02:13:40 | angryBSD | ahh thanks |
| 02:20:39 | angryBSD | how often does sharp do those competitions |
| 02:20:48 | VerxHome | once a week |
| 02:20:50 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 02:20:50 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:20:55 | angryBSD | :-P |
| 02:21:21 | VerxHome | this is the second such contest that I am aware of |
| 02:21:28 | angryBSD | ahh damn |
| 02:21:33 | VerxHome | why? |
| 02:21:36 | angryBSD | then that means i should probably enter now :( |
| 02:21:44 | VerxHome | why the frown? |
| 02:21:57 | angryBSD | because i need to learn QT development now ;) |
| 02:22:06 | darienm | Are you referring to the 'challenge'? its not really a contest. |
| 02:22:08 | VerxHome | that is WHY I entered |
| 02:22:13 | darienm | although there is a java 'contest' |
| 02:22:16 | VerxHome | to learn |
| 02:22:32 | angryBSD | i wish the java "contest" were more like the "challenge" |
| 02:22:44 | angryBSD | id much rather program in java a zaurus appplication |
| 02:22:45 | VerxHome | I knew that by entering the challenge I would end up learning much faster than if I didn't |
| 02:22:46 | warmi | angryBSD hehe .. |
| 02:22:59 | angryBSD | VerxHome: which app are you doing |
| 02:23:04 | warmi | angryBSD you got to be kidding me .. Java , as compared to Qt, sucks on the desktop |
| 02:23:13 | warmi | especially this Jeode Java crap |
| 02:23:24 | angryBSD | warmi: I know, but I already know java much better than C++ or Qt schtuff |
| 02:23:32 | warmi | oh .. ok then |
| 02:23:36 | VerxHome | I am doing an RPG character manager |
| 02:23:36 | angryBSD | id rather develop java applications than use them ;) |
| 02:23:41 | warmi | heeh |
| 02:23:48 | angryBSD | VerxHome: are you going to use databases? |
| 02:24:04 | VerxHome | I don't know yet |
| 02:24:12 | VerxHome | depends on how far I get and how quick |
| 02:24:33 | angryBSD | will they get angry at me if i dont finish my app in time / at all? |
| 02:24:40 | angryBSD | or just not give me a Z ;) |
| 02:24:41 | VerxHome | I suspect so |
| 02:24:48 | VerxHome | I mean, they give you the Z before you finish |
| 02:25:03 | angryBSD | well, if I can create a beta im sure i can finish it |
| 02:25:04 | VerxHome | I personally would feel very bad if I didn't finish my app after getting the Z |
| 02:25:14 | angryBSD | yes, me too |
| 02:25:19 | warmi | angryBSD what are you doing ? |
| 02:25:25 | angryBSD | warmi im not sure yet |
| 02:25:29 | angryBSD | i havent signed up yet |
| 02:25:37 | angryBSD | so i'd have to come up with an application |
| 02:25:37 | VerxHome | warmi, could you give me a bit of help? |
| 02:25:41 | angryBSD | because the ones left suck |
| 02:25:42 | VerxHome | I am having a very minor problem |
| 02:25:52 | angryBSD | except for possibly the sports games, but i've never developed a game |
| 02:26:02 | warmi | VerxHome what's the problem ? |
| 02:26:17 | loadtoad | bsd there is a need for maybe an xml db for the Z |
| 02:26:25 | VerxHome | well, I set my dialog in qt designer to be 240x300 |
| 02:26:33 | VerxHome | (yes, I know you said 302) |
| 02:27:00 | VerxHome | the title bar goes off the top of the screen on my ipaq, and the widget doesn't fill the whole width |
| 02:27:05 | angryBSD | loadtoad i'd have no idea how to go about that though |
| 02:27:15 | loadtoad | hehe |
| 02:27:33 | warmi | Verx:how do you start that dialog ? |
| 02:27:54 | warmi | like QMyDialog *md=new QMyDialog(..) ? |
| 02:28:03 | djk-w | Anybody imported contacts from a Rex to the Zaurus? |
| 02:28:12 | VerxHome | lemme check (I am using the code that vs generated) |
| 02:28:19 | warmi | do you give it a parent window ? |
| 02:28:39 | warmi | btw .. is your application QPEApplication ? or are you still using QMainWindow widget ? |
| 02:28:42 | warmi | there is a difference |
| 02:28:54 | VerxHome | I am using QPEApplication |
| 02:29:00 | warmi | ah ok |
| 02:29:28 | warmi | well, as I said, I don't use QDesigner .. but I can tell you how I start my own dialogs .. |
| 02:29:30 | warmi | one sec |
| 02:29:55 | VerxHome | char_managerDialog dialog( 0, 0, TRUE );^M |
| 02:30:13 | tux_mike | woo, someone compiled prboom for the Z :) |
| 02:30:30 | prpplague | loadtoad: IIRC CosmicPenguin on #tuxscreen was working on a XML parser for use with sqlite |
| 02:30:40 | warmi | ah ok .. |
| 02:31:14 | warmi | VerxHome when creating the dialog .. |
| 02:31:18 | warmi | QDialog ( QWidget * parent=0, const char * name=0, bool modal=FALSE, WFlags f=0 ) |
| 02:31:37 | warmi | try to give it a parent window ( first parameter) |
| 02:31:47 | warmi | make it to be your main widget window |
| 02:31:50 | tux_mike | ugh... i wish i had my burner in this machine still... |
| 02:32:00 | angryBSD | so my only choice is to come up with an "innovative idea" for an application and hope dear god they approve it? |
| 02:32:15 | warmi | btw .. VerxHome is this going to be a modal dialog ? |
| 02:32:35 | loadtoad | free ogg player is needed :) |
| 02:32:45 | VerxHome | warmi: Well, I may be doing this horribly |
| 02:32:58 | warmi | 90% of dialogs are modal .. meaning , user cannot switch away the focus to the main application unless he/she dismisses the dialog first |
| 02:32:58 | angryBSD | heh, dont expect *that* innovative from me ;) |
| 02:32:59 | VerxHome | I have only done gui programming on the palm and in tcl/tk before |
| 02:33:06 | VerxHome | on the palm, every window you ever see is a "dialog" |
| 02:33:36 | VerxHome | this dialog that I am referring to here is intended to be the only window the application ever displays (it contains a tab widget for navigation) |
| 02:33:50 | warmi | VerxHome ah ok |
| 02:33:55 | VerxHome | it will, however, have a small number of "pop up" windows during the course of using the app |
| 02:34:00 | warmi | you might want to consider using QMainWindow for that |
| 02:34:07 | warmi | since this is what it was designed for |
| 02:34:10 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:34:20 | VerxHome | lemme see how to switch over in qt designer |
| 02:34:22 | VerxHome | sec |
| 02:34:27 | warmi | QMainWindow has automatic support for toolbars , menubars |
| 02:34:39 | loadtoad | anyone in here running gentoo linux?? |
| 02:34:48 | W|GGL|T | the only thing i want to pop up are my poptarts :o) |
| 02:35:08 | W|GGL|T | loadtoad: i don't think so |
| 02:35:49 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 02:35:54 | warmi | VerxHome: have you seen NFDB application ? |
| 02:36:01 | angryBSD | how about i make an AOL instant messenger application (NOT AIM); it would use the america online protocol instead of the AIM protocol :-D |
| 02:36:03 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/nfdb.shtml |
| 02:36:04 | VerxHome | I don't see how to change what kind of window it is |
| 02:36:09 | loadtoad | good dev platform if you do linux dev |
| 02:36:11 | warmi | take a look at this screenshot .. |
| 02:36:22 | warmi | is this ( the second screenshot) the kind of app you want to do ? |
| 02:36:33 | warmi | bunch of tabs at the top etc ? |
| 02:36:49 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 02:36:59 | tux_mike | i should make a "gamepad" for the zaurus |
| 02:37:07 | VerxHome | you need to charge your battery warmi |
| 02:37:07 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:37:10 | treke|home | warmi: tjat looks really nice |
| 02:37:20 | VerxHome | yes, the second one is very similar to what I am going to want |
| 02:37:24 | warmi | VerxHome hehe |
| 02:37:30 | VerxHome | it is actually pretty similar to what I already have |
| 02:37:38 | treke|home | warmi: 5 MB K disk space? |
| 02:37:42 | VerxHome | though I haven't done any graphics yet |
| 02:37:58 | VerxHome | treke: The NFDB database itself is quite large |
| 02:38:00 | warmi | treke it is a database containing 5 000 food items .. it takes space |
| 02:38:13 | treke|home | warmi: refering to the MB K |
| 02:38:28 | warmi | treke heheheh |
| 02:38:29 | warmi | got you |
| 02:38:36 | treke|home | :) |
| 02:38:38 | warmi | well, ... it is not THAT big |
| 02:38:54 | warmi | but it is pretty big as PDA apps go |
| 02:38:56 | warmi | I will fix that |
| 02:39:02 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 02:39:16 | VerxHome | ponders a bit |
| 02:39:33 | warmi | VerxHome I am not sure if you can create that QMainWindow using QDesigner .. but again, I am don't know QDesigner |
| 02:39:41 | warmi | what you need is a QDesigner expert :-) |
| 02:39:58 | VerxHome | yeah, that would be nice |
| 02:40:01 | warmi | let me see how Qtopia applets ( all these apps in settings tab) do their stuff |
| 02:40:06 | VerxHome | has a feeling he will have to become one |
| 02:40:38 | treke|home | warmi: Well you could set the main widget to the class that qt-designer generates |
| 02:40:49 | NeoTron | benmeyer: server manager doesn't exit correctly... |
| 02:40:57 | VerxHome | I don't see anywhere in qt designer that you can change what a window is once it is created |
| 02:41:14 | treke|home | VerxHome: You could do it by editing the UI file |
| 02:41:30 | VerxHome | and if I go to create a new form in qt designer |
| 02:41:38 | VerxHome | I can only choose dialogs, and widgets |
| 02:41:42 | VerxHome | and tab-dialogs |
| 02:42:40 | VerxHome | treke: How would I do it in the ui file? |
| 02:42:54 | treke|home | VerxHome: and I dont think you need a QMainWindow anyways |
| 02:43:05 | VerxHome | I don't think I do either |
| 02:43:12 | treke|home | QApplication just needs a QWidget, it doesnt have to be a QMainWindow |
| 02:43:16 | VerxHome | but I am having a problem getting my dialog to fill the screen |
| 02:43:35 | treke|home | VerxHome: try using showmaximized |
| 02:44:04 | VerxHome | that is a function then? |
| 02:44:13 | VerxHome | not an attribute of the widget I can set within qt designer? |
| 02:44:20 | treke|home | a function |
| 02:44:25 | warmi | Verx: is this how your main.cpp looks ? |
| 02:44:26 | warmi | int main(int argc, char** argv) |
| 02:44:26 | warmi | { |
| 02:44:28 | warmi | QPEApplication a(argc,argv); |
| 02:44:29 | warmi | SoundSettings dlg; |
| 02:44:29 | warmi | a.showMainWidget(&dlg); |
| 02:44:30 | warmi | return a.exec(); |
| 02:44:32 | warmi | } |
| 02:44:40 | warmi | SoundSettings would be the dialog you defined |
| 02:44:44 | warmi | this is just an example |
| 02:45:07 | VerxHome | int main( int argc, char** argv ) |
| 02:45:08 | VerxHome | { |
| 02:45:08 | VerxHome | QPEApplication app( argc, argv ); |
| 02:45:08 | VerxHome | char_managerDialog dialog( 0, 0, TRUE ); |
| 02:45:08 | VerxHome | app.setMainWidget(&dialog); |
| 02:45:08 | VerxHome | dialog.exec(); |
| 02:45:10 | VerxHome | return 0; |
| 02:45:11 | VerxHome | } |
| 02:45:14 | VerxHome | that is my main.cpp |
| 02:45:15 | VerxHome | excluding includes |
| 02:46:00 | warmi | hmm .. looks correct |
| 02:46:08 | warmi | who .. |
| 02:46:20 | | angryBSD: i'm not following you... |
| 02:46:20 | angryBSD | ibot, emulator |
| 02:46:21 | warmi | no .. do a.ShowMainWidget(&dialog) |
| 02:46:30 | angryBSD | is there a zaurus emulator? |
| 02:46:32 | warmi | and then a.exec() instead of dialog.exec() |
| 02:46:43 | tux_mike | angryBSD: no |
| 02:46:54 | angryBSD | how do you test applications |
| 02:47:08 | warmi | in your case VerxHome it would be app.showMainWidget(&dialog); |
| 02:47:12 | tux_mike | there is a virtual frame buffer which is what you use to test the app. it comes wtih the SDK |
| 02:47:13 | warmi | and then app.exec(); |
| 02:48:01 | | qt is probably TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com |
| 02:48:01 | angryBSD | ibot, qt |
| 02:48:06 | VerxHome | 'a' : undeclared identifier |
| 02:48:16 | warmi | VerxHome yeah .. sorry , look above |
| 02:48:18 | VerxHome | warmi: app instead of a, right? |
| 02:48:24 | warmi | you need to basically use app instead of a |
| 02:48:25 | warmi | yeah |
| 02:48:58 | warmi | main.cpp usually looks different than main.cpp for Qtopia desktop apps |
| 02:49:05 | warmi | that's just about the only difference |
| 02:49:13 | warmi | inside of the widget class code , there is hardly any |
| 02:49:38 | VerxHome | ShowMainWidget is not a member of QApplication |
| 02:49:45 | VerxHome | is this something I need to do only when I compile for qpe? |
| 02:49:51 | treke|home | showMainWidget |
| 02:49:52 | VerxHome | I tried doing it on the desktop side |
| 02:49:56 | warmi | VerxHome yes |
| 02:49:56 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 02:49:57 | br33zy | warmi! |
| 02:49:59 | VerxHome | I tried showMainWidget also |
| 02:50:08 | treke|home | warmi: can you smack him |
| 02:50:09 | warmi | this will only work for QPE |
| 02:50:11 | VerxHome | ok, lemme try it on the linux cross compile then |
| 02:51:16 | warmi | VerxHome this is some info about Qtopia stuff ..http://www.warmi.net/httpd/html/qtopia/refman.html |
| 02:51:33 | warmi | main.cpp is described here ..http://www.warmi.net/httpd/html/qtopia/mainfunc.html |
| 02:51:57 | mdz | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:52:58 | tux_mike | sugar quote ^dow |
| 02:52:58 | Sugar | tux_mike: Invalid ticker symbol ^DOW. |
| 02:53:11 | tux_mike | damn, it doesnt use yahoo symbols |
| 02:53:26 | angryBSD | sugar quote dow |
| 02:53:26 | Sugar | angryBSD: DOW @ 4:02pm: 27.45 (+1.26 +4.81%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 02:53:35 | tux_mike | that's dow chemical :P |
| 02:53:38 | tux_mike | not DJIA |
| 02:53:40 | angryBSD | ermm |
| 02:53:40 | angryBSD | hehe |
| 02:53:43 | angryBSD | no wonder |
| 02:53:46 | tux_mike | Sugar quote djia |
| 02:53:47 | Sugar | tux_mike: Invalid ticker symbol DJIA. |
| 02:53:56 | tux_mike | sugar you suck |
| 02:53:57 | angryBSD | sugar quote NYSE |
| 02:53:57 | Sugar | angryBSD: Invalid ticker symbol NYSE. |
| 02:54:11 | angryBSD | sugar women |
| 02:54:17 | | women are always right, always gorgeous and always have the last word... Oh and they know everything! |
| 02:54:17 | angryBSD | ibot women |
| 02:54:20 | angryBSD | see ibot has more insight |
| 02:54:39 | jbwiv | I'm trying to install qt-embedded, but get the following when "make install": |
| 02:55:05 | tux_mike | anyone see the insanity that was today? |
| 02:55:11 | VerxHome | ok warmi |
| 02:55:15 | jbwiv | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/jb/zaurus/qt-embedded-free-3.0.4/tools' |
| 02:55:15 | jbwiv | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 02:55:15 | jbwiv | has anyone else seen this and if so, can you offer suggestions? |
| 02:55:23 | VerxHome | trying it with the app.showMainWindow |
| 02:55:49 | VerxHome | that got the title bar to display |
| 02:55:55 | VerxHome | but it still doesn't fill the whole width |
| 02:56:05 | VerxHome | and it looks like it is running off the bottom |
| 02:56:13 | W|GGL|T | tux_mike: what insanity? |
| 02:56:19 | tux_mike | that was the DOW |
| 02:56:30 | W|GGL|T | oh |
| 02:57:09 | W|GGL|T | what if someone edits a program that is under GPL and gives it out to the public and does not show the source... what can happen? |
| 02:57:41 | warmi | VerxHome: I got to go now .. if you can't get this right by tommorow or so.. if you care, email me your stuff and I will try to see what the hell is wrong with that |
| 02:57:47 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: that person can be sued by the original author and probably people he gave the app to |
| 02:58:13 | jbwiv | does anyone know of a be all/end all instruction guide on getting the qt dev environment set up? I'm following the one at qpe.sourceforge.net/build.html, but invariably running into problems :( |
| 02:58:51 | VerxHome | warmi: I will just work on it |
| 02:58:52 | warmi | jbwiv you mean qte/Qtopia dev env ? |
| 02:58:53 | codemnky | wigglit |
| 02:58:59 | VerxHome | to be honest, I am very pleased with how far this has worked |
| 02:59:05 | codemnky | you have any microsoft sql server exp? |
| 02:59:05 | warmi | or just desktop Qt ? |
| 02:59:05 | VerxHome | I am able to do design/layout on windows |
| 02:59:08 | VerxHome | and compile it on linux |
| 02:59:18 | VerxHome | just a tiny size issue at the moment is all |
| 02:59:18 | W|GGL|T | codemnky: no |
| 02:59:18 | jbwiv | warmi: yes. |
| 02:59:19 | warmi | VerxHome well ... nobody said it will be a walk in the park :-) |
| 02:59:20 | darienm | NeoTron: what do you mean servermanager doesnt exit? |
| 02:59:24 | codemnky | ok thx |
| 02:59:27 | warmi | you got to earn your Zaurus :-) |
| 02:59:31 | warmi | jbwiv : one sec |
| 02:59:45 | VerxHome | I just compiled it as non qt |
| 02:59:46 | jbwiv | warmi: the Z/qte/Qtopia environment. I'm looking to develop a few apps for the Z |
| 02:59:49 | VerxHome | er, non qt/e |
| 02:59:52 | VerxHome | it worked perfect |
| 03:00:00 | warmi | jbwiv have you seen that one ? : http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 03:00:41 | VerxHome | THERE WE GO! |
| 03:00:44 | cdm | does anyone know if the CF slot shows up in the standard SA11x0 memory location on the Zaurus? |
| 03:00:47 | VerxHome | it looks perfect now |
| 03:00:50 | VerxHome | cool beans |
| 03:00:52 | warmi | VerxHome : you might want to downlaod Qtopia source code and see how they handle this stuff .. it contains all the source code for everythign you see in Qtopia , their apps, setting applets etc |
| 03:01:01 | warmi | they use a lot of uic files in there |
| 03:01:10 | warmi | so it might be helpfull to look at that |
| 03:01:14 | VerxHome | I needed to modify both the tab widget and the form underneath it |
| 03:01:18 | VerxHome | to be the correct size |
| 03:01:26 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:01:27 | warmi | ok then |
| 03:01:38 | VerxHome | looks perfect now |
| 03:01:47 | VerxHome | all the tabs fit on the screen without any scrolling at all |
| 03:01:51 | VerxHome | man, looks so purty |
| 03:02:01 | warmi | good |
| 03:02:03 | jbwiv | warmi: yes, I've seen that one. Here's my two biggest problems: 1. when doing "make install" for qt-embedded, I get "make[2]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop." in the qt-embedded-free-3.0.4 directory, and 2. I can't seem to compile qvfb...I've installed qt and built it with qvfb support but have no qvfb executable. Any help will be *greatly* appreciated ;) |
| 03:02:04 | VerxHome | and it is FAST too |
| 03:02:22 | sig | is back from work... |
| 03:02:27 | sig | where's the beer! |
| 03:02:31 | VerxHome | makes my palm version look like the piece of crap that it was |
| 03:02:32 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:03:31 | jbwiv | warmi: the make error terminates the qt-embedded install |
| 03:03:36 | treke|home | does gdb work well with debugging qt apps? |
| 03:03:40 | sig | anyone seen the global notice for #wopn? |
| 03:03:44 | sig | fuckin gay music |
| 03:03:45 | treke|home | or is there another debug I should use |
| 03:03:46 | sig | haha |
| 03:03:57 | sig | wtf is this shit |
| 03:04:50 | warmi | jbwiv :try to follow this one ... |
| 03:05:04 | | roge99 was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 23 hours, 42 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: 31.99999 - 0.00001 [Fri Jul 19 04:22:33 2002] |
| 03:05:04 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99 |
| 03:05:06 | warmi | I used it to compile my qte : http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php3?BuildingQtForOpie |
| 03:05:11 | warmi | it worked for me |
| 03:05:13 | | roge99_laptop was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 14 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: im gona reflash again later ... I ll see if i can do some debugging and let you know [Thu Jul 25 00:50:52 2002] |
| 03:05:13 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99_laptop |
| 03:05:23 | warmi | they talk about OPIE but OPIE is just a clone of Qtopia |
| 03:05:28 | warmi | so the process is the same |
| 03:06:25 | warmi | treke yeah .. I used DDD a lot |
| 03:06:47 | warmi | I prefer Windows VC++ debugger for debugging my stuff though .. |
| 03:06:51 | jbwiv | warmi: cool, thx. Do you have qvfb working as well? |
| 03:06:55 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:06:58 | warmi | of course . |
| 03:07:05 | warmi | this is how I develop my stuff |
| 03:07:08 | treke|home | ah. I'm using ddd :) |
| 03:07:41 | warmi | I am weirdo cause .. I usually develop on Windows using VC++ and desktop Qt |
| 03:07:52 | warmi | then polish it up on Linux using Qtopia + qvfb |
| 03:08:00 | warmi | then test final stuff on the zaurus itself |
| 03:08:01 | warmi | heeh |
| 03:08:10 | treke|home | hehe. trying to track down a bug, and was hoping a debugger would ease my pain :) |
| 03:08:25 | angryBSD | what programs are you all doing |
| 03:08:26 | codemnky | can you guys recommened an irc server and channel i might be able to get windows sql server help on? |
| 03:08:32 | warmi | you have to make sure to start your app : app -qws |
| 03:08:48 | treke|home | warmi: ah. what does that do? |
| 03:08:48 | warmi | in the debugger that is |
| 03:08:56 | warmi | it tells it to connect to qvfb server |
| 03:09:13 | warmi | otherwise it will terminate telling you that you don't have framebuffer running |
| 03:09:18 | treke|home | hm. I juse ran my usual qtopia_env script and it connected to the qvfb |
| 03:09:29 | warmi | angryBSD : http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/ |
| 03:09:52 | treke|home | which doesnt seem to do much more thant set the PATH and the QPEDIR/QTDIR |
| 03:10:00 | warmi | for example if you want use gdb ... I would do .. |
| 03:10:02 | warmi | gdb app |
| 03:10:06 | warmi | and then inside gdb |
| 03:10:11 | warmi | r -qws |
| 03:10:21 | warmi | or in DDD used dialog to enter paremeters |
| 03:10:28 | treke|home | except for me just plain r is working |
| 03:10:43 | warmi | treke maybe you have real framebuffer ? |
| 03:10:45 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:10:59 | treke|home | hehe its virtual. Its probably because I use debian |
| 03:11:01 | warmi | or perhaps there is an easier way but that is how I do and it always works for me |
| 03:11:31 | prpplague | night guys, i've exhasted my beer supply, and office space is over, time to get sleep for my fun day tomorrow |
| 03:12:32 | angryBSD | treke - you using woody or potato |
| 03:12:47 | VerxHome | thinks he is going to like coding in Qt |
| 03:12:47 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:12:48 | treke|home | angryBSD: sid |
| 03:12:52 | jbwiv | anyone: do I have to enable qvfb in qt-embedded to use it for development? I think this is what is causing my make error. If I say "no" to that option (./configure asks you) will this screw my environment for Z development, or can I use the qvfb that comes with Qtopia? tia |
| 03:12:56 | VerxHome | this is proving much simpler than I thought previously |
| 03:13:34 | treke|home | is certain he'll find the bug. Its 100% reproducible. and follows an obvious pattern :) |
| 03:14:15 | warmi | jbwiv you mean you already have binary Qtopia SDK installed ? |
| 03:14:52 | warmi | jbwiv use this config ./configure -qconfig qpe -depths 16,32 -xplatform linux-sharp-g++ -no-qvfb -system-jpeg -vnc -no-xft |
| 03:14:55 | VerxHome | warmi - just for future reference, I didn't need to do the app.showMainWIdget or app.exec |
| 03:15:05 | warmi | except switch qvfb ON |
| 03:15:06 | jbwiv | warmi: yes...just installed qtopia-free-1.5.0-1.i386.rpm |
| 03:15:30 | warmi | oh then it doesn't matter .. qtopia-free comes with qte libraries already compiled |
| 03:15:35 | angryBSD | is the qtopia thing a debian apt-get .deb thingy too? |
| 03:15:38 | jbwiv | you mean switch it on when configure asks for it? |
| 03:15:43 | treke|home | angryBSD: nope |
| 03:15:45 | warmi | why do you even bother with compiling qte ? |
| 03:15:57 | angryBSD | darn |
| 03:15:59 | warmi | VerxHome what did you do then ? |
| 03:16:08 | jbwiv | well, I'd initially wanted to do it myself...and I've come this far.... |
| 03:16:15 | jbwiv | hate to give up and settle for the binaries :) |
| 03:16:18 | warmi | ah ok .. then it is up to you |
| 03:16:23 | VerxHome | warmi: I adjusted the size of the form UNDERNEATH the tab widget |
| 03:16:44 | warmi | this faq refers to compiling qte for the device .. where you don't need qvfb |
| 03:16:53 | warmi | but you are compiling for use on x86 where you need qvfb |
| 03:17:02 | warmi | so just enable qvfb and it should work like that |
| 03:17:05 | warmi | it did for me |
| 03:17:20 | warmi | I mean enable qvfb in ./configure script |
| 03:17:35 | warmi | VerxHome : yeah, but you still need to use Qtopia way of handling main.cpp |
| 03:17:53 | warmi | VerxHome you might run into some issues later |
| 03:18:13 | VerxHome | ok, noted |
| 03:18:24 | VerxHome | will set up some ifdefs in the compile |
| 03:18:29 | jbwiv | warmi: cool, thx again! |
| 03:18:43 | warmi | VerxHome yeah .. that is what I did .. |
| 03:18:53 | VerxHome | warmi: What did you key off of? |
| 03:19:01 | VerxHome | to determine if it was qt or qt/e ? |
| 03:19:22 | warmi | you can look for QPEDIR variable being set |
| 03:19:29 | warmi | it won't be set on Windows , thats for sure |
| 03:19:46 | VerxHome | good call |
| 03:21:48 | warmi | VerxHome there are some issues you will have to handle on Qtopia end like storing user preferences etc .. there is a special class for that in Qtopia ( Config) |
| 03:22:00 | warmi | but that's usually the last step anyway .. |
| 03:22:05 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 03:22:08 | VerxHome | man |
| 03:22:14 | VerxHome | I have done enough this evening |
| 03:22:22 | VerxHome | that I am 100% certain I will be able to write this app |
| 03:22:23 | warmi | me too ... |
| 03:22:26 | VerxHome | not saying I won't have issues |
| 03:22:30 | VerxHome | but I learned a ton |
| 03:22:32 | VerxHome | thanks for your help |
| 03:23:37 | warmi | no problem |
| 03:23:43 | warmi | g'night folks |
| 03:23:46 | VerxHome | see ya |
| 03:23:57 | VerxHome | interesting |
| 03:24:10 | VerxHome | "the sooner you submit your beta, the sooner you will receive your Zaurus" |
| 03:24:15 | angryBSD | whoa |
| 03:24:17 | VerxHome | gets crackin! |
| 03:24:27 | angryBSD | ahh damnit i want to come up with a good app idea |
| 03:24:41 | treke|home | is down to three features before he considers it beta worthy |
| 03:24:41 | VerxHome | I actually have a better app idea |
| 03:24:44 | VerxHome | didn't think of it in time |
| 03:24:50 | VerxHome | so I will just do it after this app |
| 03:24:57 | angryBSD | if they do another contest |
| 03:24:58 | VerxHome | treke: What ya makin? |
| 03:25:01 | angryBSD | err challenge |
| 03:25:39 | treke|home | VerxHome: VNC Server. I need to fix the only odd numbered connections work, add hextile encoding, and send right clicks and ctrl-alt-delete |
| 03:26:26 | VerxHome | treke: vnc server for the Z? |
| 03:26:33 | treke|home | viewer |
| 03:26:41 | VerxHome | viewer, ok |
| 03:26:46 | VerxHome | that is awesome man |
| 03:26:51 | VerxHome | makes my app look like crap |
| 03:27:01 | angryBSD | treke: thats sweet! |
| 03:27:03 | treke|home | well I've had a lot of help :) |
| 03:27:12 | VerxHome | so have I |
| 03:27:18 | sig | dude, I'm so bored |
| 03:27:19 | angryBSD | i haven't had any |
| 03:27:19 | treke|home | Most of keypebble has been salegable, other than the user interface :) |
| 03:27:20 | angryBSD | then again |
| 03:27:25 | angryBSD | im not even developing an application ;) |
| 03:27:38 | treke|home | er salvagable |
| 03:27:46 | VerxHome | treke: So you are sortof rewriting keypebble then? |
| 03:28:06 | treke|home | VerxHome: sort of. I keep bouncing between fixing bugs and scrapping the network stuff |
| 03:28:32 | VerxHome | could someone explain ifdefs to me? |
| 03:28:37 | VerxHome | I thought I understood them |
| 03:28:52 | VerxHome | don't they use environment variables? |
| 03:28:55 | angryBSD | what's wrong with keypebble |
| 03:28:56 | VerxHome | or do they use something else? |
| 03:29:09 | treke|home | VerxHome: it checks if something is #defined |
| 03:29:26 | treke|home | VerxHome: so #ifdef FOO |
| 03:29:29 | VerxHome | right |
| 03:29:44 | VerxHome | but I thought if you did a -Dsomevar |
| 03:29:48 | VerxHome | that it would define it |
| 03:29:49 | treke|home | VerxHome: only executes if youve previously done #define FOO or have -DFOO on the command line |
| 03:30:05 | darienm | treke|home: testing an irc scripc, please include my name in a brief reply |
| 03:30:26 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...saw wlan activity and my zaurus is off |
| 03:30:37 | treke|home | VerxHome: -D is just a handy way of switching something |
| 03:30:45 | darienm | W|GGL|T: a drive-by ? |
| 03:30:48 | treke|home | darienm: is this brief enough? |
| 03:30:57 | VerxHome | treke: if I am doing a "make", how do I add a -D to it? |
| 03:30:59 | darienm | treke|home: worked perfect, thanks. |
| 03:31:03 | treke|home | VerxHome: er a handy way of defining something |
| 03:31:05 | VerxHome | make -Dfoo doesn't work |
| 03:31:24 | W|GGL|T | heh...prolly |
| 03:31:33 | treke|home | VerxHome: case sensitive |
| 03:32:25 | VerxHome | ahh, if I add it to the makefile it works |
| 03:32:46 | treke|home | VerxHome: oh make -D foo, yeah that doesnt work :) |
| 03:33:13 | angryBSD | does anyone have a good idea i can use for the developer challenge? |
| 03:33:32 | VerxHome | angryBSD: Pick something you want |
| 03:33:36 | VerxHome | an app you wish existed |
| 03:33:46 | VerxHome | otherwise it is going to be drudgery |
| 03:33:58 | angryBSD | yeah |
| 03:34:28 | darienm | treke|home: can I ask you to do it again? |
| 03:34:38 | VerxHome | treke: I added -DCOMPILE_FOR_QPE to my CXXFLAGS in my Makefile |
| 03:34:45 | VerxHome | and I see the -D line when it compiles |
| 03:34:46 | treke|home | VerxHome: yup |
| 03:34:51 | VerxHome | but it doesn't seem to honour it in the ifdef |
| 03:34:52 | VerxHome | :( |
| 03:34:56 | treke|home | darienm: ok. again |
| 03:35:03 | darienm | treke|home: wonderful. thanks. |
| 03:35:10 | angryBSD | ahh, how about a school assignment manager |
| 03:35:36 | VerxHome | angryBSD: SOunds good man |
| 03:35:37 | VerxHome | do it |
| 03:35:45 | darienm | angryBSD are you any good at writing code that would graph stored data over time? |
| 03:35:59 | darienm | angryBSD cuz I have an idea. |
| 03:36:07 | angryBSD | nope |
| 03:36:15 | angryBSD | although a stock market symbol thing would be cool |
| 03:36:25 | darienm | angryBSD not stock market, user-entered data |
| 03:36:57 | VerxHome | treke: Is this the proper way to write an ifdef?: |
| 03:37:04 | VerxHome | #ifdef COMPILE_FOR_QPE |
| 03:37:07 | angryBSD | ahh, like a spreadsheet thing with graphing capabilities? |
| 03:37:11 | VerxHome | #include <qpe/qpeapplication.h> |
| 03:37:13 | VerxHome | #else |
| 03:37:19 | VerxHome | #include <qapplication.h> |
| 03:37:21 | VerxHome | #endif |
| 03:37:23 | VerxHome | ???? |
| 03:37:25 | darienm | angryBSD would only require definitions for a 'title' and a 'name' and a value to be stored at user-defined intevals. |
| 03:37:36 | VerxHome | from everything I know of ifdefs, that is correct |
| 03:37:59 | angryBSD | darien: that would actually be pretty useful |
| 03:38:01 | darienm | angryBSD No, more like a health based monitorint tool. Could be used to store ongoing weights, or temperatures, or blood glucose levels, etc. |
| 03:38:24 | darienm | angryBSD Basically, anytime you want you choose the category 'weight', 'temp', 'blood sugar' and then enter the value. |
| 03:38:38 | darienm | angryBSD The program stores the value, and when requested could display past data and/or graph the results over time. |
| 03:38:55 | VerxHome | darienm: SOunds like a spreadsheet to me. . . |
| 03:39:10 | darienm | angryBSD The categories don't even have to be pre-defined, let the user create as many categories as they want. Just need to define the category title and the name of the value. (pounds, degrees, etc) |
| 03:39:14 | angryBSD | darienm wouldn't the graphing function be pretty hard to code |
| 03:39:30 | darienm | angryBSD I have two graphing calculators for the Z already. Someone did it. |
| 03:40:18 | darienm | angryBSD and this one is GPL http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=37 |
| 03:40:26 | darienm | angryBSD doh, sorry, wrong link. |
| 03:40:57 | darienm | angryBSD http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=134 |
| 03:41:00 | darienm | angryBSD Qplot |
| 03:42:21 | angryBSD | hrmm, it would be a very useful app |
| 03:42:22 | darienm | angryBSD If it wrote data to a file for export (to send to doctor, etc) would be neat too. |
| 03:42:42 | angryBSD | im not sure if it would be great for my first Qt application, though |
| 03:42:44 | darienm | angryBSD And if categories could have 'high/low' values defined to identify those user-entered values that were in 'good' range |
| 03:43:11 | darienm | all the data could be stored as a single xml file |
| 03:44:35 | codemnky | i fixed my m$ sql problem, where's the beer! |
| 03:44:42 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:44:49 | VerxHome | codemnky: Can you help me with ifdefs? |
| 03:44:54 | codemnky | strace to the resuce |
| 03:45:13 | | angryBSD: excuse me? |
| 03:45:13 | angryBSD | ibot, challenge |
| 03:45:17 | | contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 03:45:17 | angryBSD | ibot, contest |
| 03:45:34 | darienm | where did this month go? wasn't it the 4th just a few days ago? |
| 03:46:12 | angryBSD | damn the summer! |
| 03:46:17 | angryBSD | never lasts long enough |
| 03:46:57 | treke|home | darienm: It was |
| 03:47:01 | angryBSD | sugar, make codemnky a beer |
| 03:47:01 | Sugar | pours some beer from the tap into a glass and hands it to codemnky. |
| 03:47:02 | VerxHome | treke |
| 03:47:04 | treke|home | at least if you define few as 20 |
| 03:47:05 | W|GGL|T | can't end soon enough here...even tho we're having a mild summer, 100deg days suck ass |
| 03:47:11 | treke|home | VerxHome |
| 03:47:12 | codemnky | mmmmmm |
| 03:47:13 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:47:17 | angryBSD | there's your beer for finishing ur sql schtuff |
| 03:47:19 | VerxHome | I have this code: |
| 03:47:36 | VerxHome | #ifdef COMPILE_FOR_QPE |
| 03:47:36 | VerxHome | #include <qpe/qpeapplication.h> |
| 03:47:36 | VerxHome | #else |
| 03:47:36 | VerxHome | #include <qapplication.h> |
| 03:47:36 | VerxHome | #endif |
| 03:47:54 | VerxHome | shouldn't that use qpe/qpeapplication.h if I have -DCOMPILE_FOR_OPIE in my Makefile? |
| 03:48:29 | treke|home | it will make it include qpe/apeapplication |
| 03:49:34 | treke|home | you'd also hafe to IFDEF the QPEApplication app stuff |
| 03:52:52 | VerxHome | treke: Hrm |
| 03:52:59 | VerxHome | not quite working as I would have expected |
| 03:53:45 | VerxHome | ahh, got it |
| 03:53:47 | VerxHome | thanks treke |
| 03:54:13 | treke|home | man I cant spell worth crap |
| 03:55:24 | mynameisjarjar | hey |
| 03:55:46 | darienm | uh oh, its a strange-speaking alien with bad grammar |
| 03:55:46 | mynameisjarjar | I have a goal for you all |
| 03:55:55 | mynameisjarjar | I need of a way to mess up my zaurus |
| 03:55:57 | mynameisjarjar | so it wont boot |
| 03:56:03 | darienm | drop it in the toilet |
| 03:56:04 | mynameisjarjar | so I can return it to best Buy |
| 03:56:07 | mynameisjarjar | theyre being dicks |
| 03:56:09 | mynameisjarjar | no |
| 03:56:15 | darienm | log into the terminal and type rm -Rf / |
| 03:56:16 | mynameisjarjar | it must "just not work" |
| 03:56:22 | darienm | load open zaurus :) |
| 03:56:25 | mynameisjarjar | that wont work either |
| 03:56:33 | mynameisjarjar | It must "survive" reboots |
| 03:56:43 | mynameisjarjar | so I can return it |
| 03:56:46 | mynameisjarjar | and get another one |
| 03:56:50 | darienm | start a flash rom update and pull the plug in the middle |
| 03:56:51 | mynameisjarjar | because this one has bad pixels |
| 03:57:01 | darienm | how many bad pixels? |
| 03:57:07 | mynameisjarjar | darienm, will that mess up the Z so that if I pull out the battery it wont reboot? |
| 03:57:10 | mynameisjarjar | like 10 |
| 03:57:20 | mynameisjarjar | if I reset everything |
| 03:57:21 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: yes, if you foil the flash update it will |
| 03:57:25 | mynameisjarjar | ok |
| 03:57:31 | mynameisjarjar | im doing a flash update |
| 03:57:33 | angryBSD | haha good luck |
| 03:57:33 | treke|home | mynameisjarjar: It has to survive boots but it cant boot? |
| 03:57:47 | darienm | treke: you misunderstood |
| 03:57:52 | mynameisjarjar | treke: what I mean is that it has to NOT boot or WORK after rebooting it or resetting it |
| 03:57:59 | mynameisjarjar | or Best Buy wont take it back |
| 03:58:14 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: if you destroy the flash ROM, it will not boot, or even hard-reset. it will be dead |
| 03:58:21 | treke|home | mynameisjarjar: Then install openzaurus and run rm -rf / |
| 03:58:27 | mynameisjarjar | darienm, and I just do a flash update? |
| 03:58:28 | treke|home | mynameisjarjar: it certainly wont boot then |
| 03:58:29 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: UNLESS they are smart enough to know how to boot off a CF card |
| 03:58:40 | mynameisjarjar | treke that would be all fine and dandy but I dont have a CF card |
| 03:58:41 | treke|home | darienm: fat chance of that |
| 03:59:08 | treke|home | can you do a flash update without one? |
| 03:59:15 | darienm | under windows, yes |
| 03:59:15 | mynameisjarjar | yeah with a SD card |
| 03:59:20 | treke|home | ah |
| 03:59:20 | darienm | no, not with SD |
| 03:59:24 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: you using windows? |
| 03:59:25 | mynameisjarjar | I did it last time |
| 03:59:30 | mynameisjarjar | yep, in windows |
| 03:59:36 | darienm | it was the windows, not the SD card |
| 03:59:41 | mynameisjarjar | ok |
| 03:59:44 | darienm | You cand to a flash update on SD |
| 03:59:52 | mynameisjarjar | so after this anyone wanna buy a 128mb SD card? |
| 03:59:54 | mynameisjarjar | Lexar |
| 03:59:56 | mynameisjarjar | Brand new :) |
| 03:59:59 | darienm | You have to run a windows app that talks to the Z thru the cradle to initiate the process |
| 04:00:09 | mynameisjarjar | $70 bucks any takers? |
| 04:00:10 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: where are you located? |
| 04:00:13 | treke|home | then start an update and pull the zaurus out of the cradle |
| 04:00:16 | treke|home | or will that work |
| 04:00:16 | mynameisjarjar | darienm, Kansas City, USA |
| 04:00:27 | mynameisjarjar | treke, dunno im gonna try everything |
| 04:00:43 | darienm | start an update and then pull the battery :) |
| 04:00:48 | mynameisjarjar | ok ill do that |
| 04:00:54 | mynameisjarjar | but one prob |
| 04:00:56 | darienm | the update takes several minutes. |
| 04:01:01 | mynameisjarjar | I have it updated to 2.37 already |
| 04:01:03 | treke|home | darienm: does it buffer things into memory first? |
| 04:01:07 | mynameisjarjar | so if I "reupdate" to 2.37 will that work? |
| 04:01:16 | mynameisjarjar | and just pull the battery |
| 04:01:17 | | I haven't seen 'roge99_latop', codemnky |
| 04:01:17 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99_latop |
| 04:01:18 | darienm | You can flash back down, or just flash again |
| 04:01:22 | mynameisjarjar | ok |
| 04:01:29 | mynameisjarjar | and if I pull the battery it shouldnt work |
| 04:01:35 | angryBSD | ermm $70 aint too good for a SD card |
| 04:01:38 | treke|home | mynameisjarjar: what are you worried about? something breaking? :) |
| 04:01:39 | darienm | treke: it take a while to write to the flash ROM |
| 04:01:41 | mynameisjarjar | ok then $50 |
| 04:01:44 | mynameisjarjar | treke, yeah |
| 04:01:46 | mynameisjarjar | it cant be broken |
| 04:01:50 | darienm | treke: interrupting that process should muck things up |
| 04:01:51 | angryBSD | http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?DPNo=339439&AID=53166&PID=227502 |
| 04:01:52 | mynameisjarjar | it just "cant work" |
| 04:02:09 | mynameisjarjar | and its gotta survice the testing of the Techs at best Buy |
| 04:02:12 | mynameisjarjar | rebooting it and stuff |
| 04:02:14 | mynameisjarjar | survice |
| 04:02:16 | mynameisjarjar | survive |
| 04:02:24 | mynameisjarjar | dude |
| 04:02:33 | mynameisjarjar | $50 bucks for a Lexar 128mb is good |
| 04:02:34 | mynameisjarjar | =P |
| 04:02:38 | mynameisjarjar | i spent $80 bucks on it |
| 04:03:18 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: serious about $50 ? |
| 04:03:25 | mynameisjarjar | darienm, serious |
| 04:03:35 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: I think we have a deal, lets take this off-channel |
| 04:03:39 | mynameisjarjar | hehe |
| 04:03:41 | mynameisjarjar | not yet |
| 04:03:42 | angryBSD | oo soundy sexay |
| 04:03:42 | angryBSD | lol |
| 04:03:49 | mynameisjarjar | AFTER I get my Zaurus to best buy |
| 04:03:51 | mynameisjarjar | tomorrow |
| 04:03:54 | mynameisjarjar | Ill come back here |
| 04:04:05 | mynameisjarjar | my Zaurus has to not work first |
| 04:04:11 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: i'll be here, its for a friend who just bought one. or my father who will in a few days. |
| 04:04:16 | mynameisjarjar | ok |
| 04:04:25 | mynameisjarjar | I just realized I overspent |
| 04:04:28 | mynameisjarjar | and need the money :( |
| 04:04:42 | mynameisjarjar | + my handspring visor deluxe does the same job well |
| 04:04:49 | darienm | so are you NOT going to take a replacement zaurus? |
| 04:04:51 | angryBSD | im definitley getting one of those CF 802.11b thingies |
| 04:04:52 | mynameisjarjar | no |
| 04:04:59 | mynameisjarjar | im going to ask for a refund |
| 04:05:02 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: ugh, why did I help you? |
| 04:05:02 | mynameisjarjar | 30 day warranty |
| 04:05:04 | mynameisjarjar | ;) |
| 04:05:12 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: keep the zaurus, even if it doesnt work |
| 04:05:17 | mynameisjarjar | lol |
| 04:05:17 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: support sharp ! |
| 04:05:25 | mynameisjarjar | k :) |
| 04:05:34 | darienm | mynameisjarjar: and buy lots of shareware and commercial apps for it while you're at it |
| 04:05:35 | mynameisjarjar | I have a Sharp Cell Phone I just bought the other day |
| 04:05:41 | mynameisjarjar | =P |
| 04:05:49 | mynameisjarjar | I did |
| 04:05:59 | mynameisjarjar | I spent $50 bucks on tkcApps |
| 04:06:05 | angryBSD | which ones |
| 04:06:06 | mynameisjarjar | and now Im out soo much money |
| 04:07:04 | mynameisjarjar | tkcPlayer, tkcEditor, tkcMahjongg, tkcjabber. and tkcftp |
| 04:07:34 | treke|home | pdas are expensive even before all the extra crap :) |
| 04:07:41 | mynameisjarjar | yeah |
| 04:07:50 | angryBSD | not zauruses for us 31337 challenge programmers ;) |
| 04:08:04 | mynameisjarjar | so |
| 04:08:09 | mynameisjarjar | who wants a 128mb Lexar SD card? |
| 04:08:19 | mynameisjarjar | after I return my Z tomorrow? |
| 04:08:44 | darienm | mynameisjarjar where did you buy it from? |
| 04:08:45 | jmhodges | why are you returning your z again jar ? |
| 04:08:52 | angryBSD | bad pixels |
| 04:08:53 | darienm | jmhodges cuz he's lame |
| 04:08:57 | mynameisjarjar | jmhodges, cause I have like 10 Bad pixels |
| 04:09:02 | mynameisjarjar | and this is my 3rd Z |
| 04:09:05 | mynameisjarjar | with the same problem |
| 04:09:07 | mynameisjarjar | + im broke |
| 04:09:11 | mynameisjarjar | and I need the money right now |
| 04:09:18 | jmhodges | ouch mynameisjarjar |
| 04:09:23 | mynameisjarjar | to pay my apt bill :( |
| 04:09:32 | mynameisjarjar | <-- poor college kid |
| 04:09:43 | angryBSD | yeah, apt-get gets expensive |
| 04:09:49 | mynameisjarjar | hehe |
| 04:10:03 | jmhodges | hehee |
| 04:10:08 | treke|home | yeah, Zs dont make good purchases for poor college students :) |
| 04:10:26 | mynameisjarjar | id rather not sell my 128mb SD card on ebay |
| 04:10:33 | mynameisjarjar | anyone want my tkcAccount? |
| 04:10:35 | mynameisjarjar | $20 bucks |
| 04:10:37 | mynameisjarjar | its yours |
| 04:10:45 | W|GGL|T | whoa |
| 04:11:06 | W|GGL|T | i'll take it |
| 04:11:08 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 04:11:10 | mynameisjarjar | you get tkcFTP, tkcJabber, tkcPlayer, tkcEditor, tkcMahjongg |
| 04:11:14 | mynameisjarjar | in your download basket |
| 04:11:21 | mynameisjarjar | :) |
| 04:11:29 | W|GGL|T | doh....that's for the tkc apps, not the 128mb sd |
| 04:11:30 | mynameisjarjar | just change the info |
| 04:11:35 | mynameisjarjar | oh |
| 04:11:36 | mynameisjarjar | no |
| 04:11:36 | angryBSD | hehe |
| 04:11:40 | mynameisjarjar | $50 for the SD card |
| 04:11:46 | mynameisjarjar | I spent $80 on it :( |
| 04:12:06 | darienm | mynameisjarjar I called dibbs on the card |
| 04:12:07 | mynameisjarjar | id rather sell it to someone on here |
| 04:12:14 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 04:12:19 | mynameisjarjar | then get jipped on ebay |
| 04:12:37 | darienm | mynameisjarjar its the least you can do for me, for helping you return your zaurus *cough* |
| 04:12:42 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:12:46 | mynameisjarjar | darienm, what? :) |
| 04:12:50 | mynameisjarjar | You want the SD card for $50? |
| 04:12:54 | darienm | mynameisjarjar sell me the card |
| 04:12:58 | darienm | duh |
| 04:13:00 | mynameisjarjar | $50 and its yours |
| 04:13:13 | mynameisjarjar | AFTER i return my Zaurus tomorrow that is |
| 04:13:16 | darienm | scroll up -- I already offered, you said wait until the Z was returned |
| 04:13:19 | darienm | deja vu |
| 04:13:23 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 04:13:23 | Com[Plex | I just beat "day of the tentacle" on my zaurus |
| 04:13:24 | darienm | we had this conversation already |
| 04:13:26 | Com[Plex | unf! |
| 04:13:27 | mynameisjarjar | well exactly |
| 04:13:31 | Com[Plex | I love this thing |
| 04:13:38 | mynameisjarjar | ok Ill get to you tomorrow |
| 04:13:40 | mynameisjarjar | you can have it |
| 04:13:48 | mynameisjarjar | i just want to return the Z |
| 04:14:04 | mynameisjarjar | cuz if they dont take it back |
| 04:14:12 | mynameisjarjar | Ill be out an SD card :( |
| 04:14:24 | jmhodges | ugh.. having people in the same house as you on diets sucks.. |
| 04:14:30 | mynameisjarjar | heh |
| 04:14:34 | jmhodges | need.. sugar.. carbohydrates.. |
| 04:14:48 | jmhodges | complex or simple i dont care! |
| 04:14:57 | mynameisjarjar | gotta run |
| 04:14:58 | mynameisjarjar | wish me luck |
| 04:15:02 | mynameisjarjar | ill be back here tomorrow |
| 04:15:07 | W|GGL|T | nah...just keep trying to ruin their diets |
| 04:15:20 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:15:38 | W|GGL|T | sooner or later, they'll fold |
| 04:16:11 | jmhodges | no no no im the supportive one here :) i have a rep to uphold.. |
| 04:16:12 | Com[Plex | ? |
| 04:16:20 | jmhodges | i still got to have college paid for ya know |
| 04:16:46 | W|GGL|T | join the army...they'll pay for your college |
| 04:16:47 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:16:51 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:16:54 | jmhodges | me and the army |
| 04:16:55 | W|GGL|T | and work on your diet too |
| 04:17:00 | jmhodges | riiiight |
| 04:17:21 | jmhodges | pbbt. my weight/height ratio is just fine |
| 04:17:28 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:17:30 | jmhodges | (little on the light side but whatever) |
| 04:18:04 | W|GGL|T | i got out and became a fatass |
| 04:18:28 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:18:40 | W|GGL|T | well, actually im fine...just lool like im 4 months pregnant :oP |
| 04:18:45 | angryBSD | lol |
| 04:18:59 | jmhodges | :P |
| 04:19:14 | W|GGL|T | prolly too much beer |
| 04:19:20 | W|GGL|T | and not enough exercise |
| 04:19:23 | treke|portable | isnt cut out for military service |
| 04:19:30 | angryBSD | lexar = better than san disk? |
| 04:20:00 | jmhodges | well youre portable treke|portable that should count for something shouldnt it? |
| 04:20:08 | W|GGL|T | lubs his sandisks |
| 04:20:13 | treke|portable | hehe |
| 04:20:31 | angryBSD | why do lexars cost more than sandisks |
| 04:20:51 | jmhodges | wants his damn printerhead to be here already |
| 04:20:53 | W|GGL|T | i have no idea |
| 04:20:57 | treke|portable | too many orders |
| 04:21:00 | jmhodges | i ahve the whole setup working |
| 04:21:09 | jmhodges | but need the fucking printhead |
| 04:21:40 | codemnky | jmhodes is using foul lang |
| 04:21:59 | angryBSD | so does Sugar |
| 04:22:05 | angryBSD | Sugar, make me a coke fuck |
| 04:22:05 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke fuck, pours it into a glass, which she hands angryBSD. |
| 04:22:11 | angryBSD | look she swore at me |
| 04:22:12 | jmhodges | you konw hwats cool? |
| 04:22:18 | jmhodges | the printer cable vibrates |
| 04:22:24 | jmhodges | i dont know why |
| 04:22:30 | angryBSD | the printer cable head vibrates? |
| 04:22:37 | jmhodges | im not even sending data to the printer |
| 04:22:44 | jmhodges | no the cable from pc to printer |
| 04:22:48 | angryBSD | maybe your air conditioner is on :) |
| 04:22:49 | jmhodges | its nice on my foot |
| 04:23:06 | jmhodges | nah its not that.. the printer is on my bed.. and the cable follows |
| 04:23:15 | jmhodges | (temp setup til i find something better) |
| 04:23:47 | jmhodges | its niiiiice feeling though |
| 04:23:50 | codemnky | Sugar, make me a piss |
| 04:23:55 | codemnky | hmm |
| 04:23:59 | codemnky | didn't work |
| 04:24:03 | angryBSD | nope, needs to be a real drink |
| 04:24:11 | angryBSD | and you can follow it up with whatever you want |
| 04:24:13 | codemnky | Sugar, make me a 7up |
| 04:24:14 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of 7up, pours it into a glass, which she hands codemnky. |
| 04:24:15 | angryBSD | Sugar, make me a coke bitch |
| 04:24:16 | jmhodges | Sugar, make me a pepsi |
| 04:24:16 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 04:24:16 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke bitch, pours it into a glass, which she hands angryBSD. |
| 04:24:16 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of pepsi, pours it into a glass, which she hands jmhodges. |
| 04:24:23 | codemnky | heh |
| 04:24:27 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 04:24:30 | codemnky | how do you make one of those |
| 04:24:32 | jmhodges | whoa im lagging huge! |
| 04:24:34 | codemnky | i made an aim bot once |
| 04:24:45 | jmhodges | hehe why? |
| 04:24:55 | treke|portable | sugar make me a million bucks |
| 04:25:16 | codemnky | why aim bot? |
| 04:25:39 | angryBSD | sugar make me a coke with cocaine hidden inside of it which can only be retrieved by boiling the soda off |
| 04:25:40 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke with cocaine hidden inside of it which can only be retrieved by boiling the soda off, pours it into a glass, which she hands angryBSD. |
| 04:25:46 | codemnky | the aim bot would keep track of users todo lists that connected to it |
| 04:25:57 | angryBSD | thanks sugar! |
| 04:25:59 | Sugar | AngryBSD: You're welcome! |
| 04:26:08 | jmhodges | hehe codemnky |
| 04:26:15 | jmhodges | thats slightly usefull |
| 04:26:29 | Xentac | Com[Plex: you there now...? |
| 04:26:34 | angryBSD | codemnky: for my challenge entry im basically doing that for the zaurus :) |
| 04:27:18 | codemnky | cool |
| 04:27:41 | codemnky | i have the code somewhere looking |
| 04:30:01 | codemnky | nope damn |
| 04:30:23 | br33zy | gtg |
| 04:30:25 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 04:30:28 | angryBSD | im calling it a homework manager though :) |
| 04:30:30 | jmhodges | anyone here a gtk coder? (i know i know its qt heavy in here but just thought i might try) |
| 04:30:31 | angryBSD | to make it seem cooler |
| 04:30:35 | angryBSD | bye br33zy |
| 04:30:44 | br33zy | bye |
| 04:30:47 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 04:32:50 | codemnky | good ridence |
| 04:32:54 | codemnky | oooo |
| 04:32:59 | angryBSD | hehe |
| 04:33:01 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:33:06 | codemnky | jooking |
| 04:33:08 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:33:18 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:33:23 | jmhodges | i dunno |
| 04:33:31 | jmhodges | those 33 being gone make it worthwhile ;) |
| 04:33:31 | codemnky | as codemnky spills his beer |
| 04:33:54 | W|GGL|T | sugar make me a screwdriver |
| 04:33:54 | Sugar | pours vodka and orange juice over ice cubes in a highball glass then stirs well and serves it to W|GGL|T. |
| 04:33:55 | codemnky | how do a say something with the * to the side |
| 04:34:10 | codemnky | like sugar |
| 04:34:23 | W|GGL|T | /me <action> |
| 04:34:23 | codemnky | i never leared irc tricks |
| 04:34:29 | codemnky | whoohoo |
| 04:34:31 | codemnky | ok |
| 04:34:32 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:34:38 | darienm | 4m7o9o8o13o2o |
| 04:34:40 | codemnky | thx |
| 04:34:44 | codemnky | how about the colors |
| 04:34:51 | W|GGL|T | i forget the colors |
| 04:34:57 | darienm | codemnky what client do you use? |
| 04:35:02 | codemnky | xchat |
| 04:35:04 | W|GGL|T | 2test |
| 04:35:06 | angryBSD | visits some goatse and steps outside to up some chuck |
| 04:35:07 | codemnky | what do you recomened |
| 04:35:11 | W|GGL|T | 2test |
| 04:35:11 | jmhodges | 2i3enjoy6colors |
| 04:35:19 | W|GGL|T | '2test' |
| 04:35:20 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 04:35:20 | jmhodges | 8greatly |
| 04:35:21 | darienm | You need to send a control-c followed by a number from 1 to 15 to send colors |
| 04:35:32 | codemnky | 1test |
| 04:35:34 | codemnky | hmm |
| 04:35:34 | darienm | 0 is white, 1 is black |
| 04:35:34 | Speedy2 | Hello1 |
| 04:35:40 | darienm | 4 is red |
| 04:35:50 | cdm | Speedy2: you kickin'? |
| 04:35:54 | codemnky | ^C1test |
| 04:35:58 | codemnky | hmm |
| 04:36:03 | angryBSD | nosir |
| 04:36:15 | codemnky | pretend i'm dumb |
| 04:36:18 | darienm | I dunno if xchat supports it. |
| 04:36:19 | codemnky | need for details |
| 04:36:21 | W|GGL|T | like this in xchat 'percentsignC2"test"' |
| 04:36:24 | codemnky | damnit |
| 04:36:29 | jmhodges | or if your in Xchat click that handy '<' button in the text enter area |
| 04:36:37 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 04:36:43 | W|GGL|T | it'll code the coloring for you |
| 04:36:54 | jmhodges | uh.. did that just beep you guys? |
| 04:37:11 | codemnky | 4ah2ha |
| 04:37:25 | W|GGL|T | 16test |
| 04:37:26 | jmhodges | this is underlined |
| 04:37:26 | codemnky | ths |
| 04:37:31 | codemnky | this is not |
| 04:37:33 | angryBSD | %C2test |
| 04:37:36 | jmhodges | ø ascii is cool |
| 04:37:38 | angryBSD | damn non-xchatness |
| 04:37:46 | jmhodges | 2test2 |
| 04:38:05 | codemnky | can ya tell we're bored? |
| 04:38:12 | jmhodges | 12this is c12 and 2this is C2 .. |
| 04:38:20 | jmhodges | noe much of a dif now is there? |
| 04:38:28 | W|GGL|T | 816 |
| 04:38:33 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:38:35 | angryBSD | ô¿ô |
| 04:38:37 | jmhodges | 6! |
| 04:38:42 | W|GGL|T | i used to know how to highlight with colors |
| 04:38:50 | W|GGL|T | 8,16t |
| 04:38:57 | W|GGL|T | bah |
| 04:38:58 | jmhodges | t! |
| 04:38:58 | codemnky | how does one make a bot |
| 04:39:00 | codemnky | like sugar |
| 04:39:07 | jmhodges | how did you do that W|GGL|T? |
| 04:39:14 | codemnky | need any special privies |
| 04:39:20 | darienm | codemnky download it from www.infobot.org methinks |
| 04:39:24 | | infobot is http://infobot.org/ |
| 04:39:24 | darienm | ibot infobot |
| 04:39:29 | codemnky | ok ths |
| 04:39:31 | codemnky | ths |
| 04:39:33 | codemnky | dmanit |
| 04:39:35 | codemnky | thx |
| 04:39:37 | darienm | its perl |
| 04:39:51 | codemnky | oh goodie |
| 04:39:54 | codemnky | that's all i use |
| 04:40:00 | angryBSD | bob dole is funny' |
| 04:40:04 | codemnky | been using it for 9 years now |
| 04:40:07 | | angryBSD: excuse me? |
| 04:40:07 | angryBSD | ibot, bob dole |
| 04:40:10 | angryBSD | damnit |
| 04:40:16 | codemnky | and i think i know 14% of it |
| 04:40:26 | jmhodges | heheeh codemnky |
| 04:41:10 | darienm | Just wait until version 6, you'll know about 1% |
| 04:41:10 | codemnky | is a linux/perl/apache/mysql junkie |
| 04:41:17 | W|GGL|T | do what? |
| 04:41:19 | | angryBSD, I didn't have anything matching 'bob dole' |
| 04:41:19 | angryBSD | ibot, forget bob dole |
| 04:41:27 | | OK, angryBSD. |
| 04:41:27 | angryBSD | ibot, bob dole is a genius |
| 04:41:33 | | bob dole is a genius |
| 04:41:33 | angryBSD | ibot, bob dole |
| 04:41:35 | | OK, darienm. |
| 04:41:35 | darienm | ibot, codemnky is a linux/perl/apache/mysql junkie |
| 04:41:35 | W|GGL|T | ahh...it DID work, eh? |
| 04:41:39 | angryBSD | COOLX0r!!! |
| 04:41:43 | | ...but codemnky is a linux/perl/apache/mysql junkie... |
| 04:41:43 | codemnky | ibot, codemnky is a 1/2 genius |
| 04:41:51 | codemnky | hehe |
| 04:41:52 | darienm | is also |
| 04:41:54 | codemnky | oh |
| 04:41:56 | codemnky | neat |
| 04:41:59 | | angrybsd: i haven't a clue |
| 04:41:59 | angryBSD | ibot, angrybsd is that annoying loser who always messes up applications and makes debugging a bitch |
| 04:42:07 | | angryBSD: excuse me? |
| 04:42:07 | angryBSD | ibot, angrybsd |
| 04:42:09 | angryBSD | damnit |
| 04:42:15 | darienm | codemnky use 'is also' |
| 04:42:29 | | angrybsd: i haven't a clue |
| 04:42:29 | angryBSD | ibot, angrybsd is also that annoying loser who always messes up applications and makes debugging a bitch |
| 04:42:34 | | rumour has it roge99 is a knight of NI |
| 04:42:34 | roge99_laptop | ibot: roge99 |
| 04:42:38 | | okay, codemnky. |
| 04:42:38 | codemnky | ibot codemnky is also a bitch |
| 04:42:49 | | OK, angryBSD. |
| 04:42:49 | angryBSD | ibot, angrybsd is one silly mother$(%*)$% |
| 04:42:57 | | i heard angrybsd was one silly mother$(%*)$% |
| 04:42:57 | angryBSD | ibot, angrybsd |
| 04:43:00 | angryBSD | yay |
| 04:43:03 | | i guess codemnky is a linux/perl/apache/mysql junkie or a bitch |
| 04:43:03 | codemnky | ibot codemnky |
| 04:43:09 | codemnky | heh |
| 04:43:10 | angryBSD | hahahaha |
| 04:43:11 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 04:43:17 | darienm | You can have it randomly choose one from a list |
| 04:43:25 | | angryBSD: I forgot angrybsd |
| 04:43:25 | angryBSD | ibot, forget angrybsd |
| 04:43:33 | | OK, angryBSD. |
| 04:43:33 | angryBSD | ibot, angrybsd is one silly motherfucker |
| 04:43:37 | angryBSD | oooooo |
| 04:43:39 | angryBSD | bad word |
| 04:43:40 | | OK, darienm. |
| 04:43:40 | darienm | ibot, favorite color is blue|red|pink|orange|yellow |
| 04:43:46 | | darienm: excuse me? |
| 04:43:46 | darienm | ibot favoite color |
| 04:43:48 | angryBSD | no green |
| 04:43:49 | angryBSD | ahh |
| 04:43:51 | angryBSD | wrong |
| 04:43:52 | | somebody said favorite color was red |
| 04:43:52 | darienm | ibot, favorite color |
| 04:43:53 | angryBSD | noooooo |
| 04:43:54 | | favorite color is pink |
| 04:43:54 | darienm | ibot, favorite color |
| 04:43:56 | | no idea, jmhodges |
| 04:43:56 | jmhodges | ibot whats your favorite color |
| 04:43:57 | | hmmm... favorite color is orange |
| 04:43:57 | darienm | ibot, favorite color |
| 04:44:08 | | somebody said favorite color was blue |
| 04:44:08 | jmhodges | ibot favorite color |
| 04:44:13 | codemnky | we need to educate this ibot |
| 04:44:14 | jmhodges | ick |
| 04:44:15 | | okay, darienm. |
| 04:44:15 | darienm | ibot, favorite color is also |green |
| 04:44:26 | | favorite color is blue |
| 04:44:26 | darienm | ibot, favorite color |
| 04:44:38 | W|GGL|T | 16,8t |
| 04:44:54 | angryBSD | hey make ibot remember something in colored text |
| 04:44:58 | angryBSD | see if that will work |
| 04:45:00 | | ...but ibot is "the" bot around... |
| 04:45:00 | codemnky | ibot ibot is not funny |
| 04:45:01 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: how are you doing that? |
| 04:45:13 | | i guess i am "the" bot around |
| 04:45:13 | codemnky | ibot ibot |
| 04:45:20 | W|GGL|T | color code x,x |
| 04:45:24 | | darienm: huh? |
| 04:45:24 | darienm | ibot, blue looks like 12THIS |
| 04:45:31 | | OK, jmhodges. |
| 04:45:31 | jmhodges | ibot colored is 2c3o4l5o6r7s |
| 04:45:31 | W|GGL|T | c16,8 |
| 04:45:36 | | ...but blue is tuxbox: red... |
| 04:45:36 | darienm | ibot, blue is like 12THIS |
| 04:45:37 | | colored is, like, 2c3o4l5o6r7s |
| 04:45:37 | jmhodges | ibot colored |
| 04:45:41 | codemnky | heh |
| 04:45:42 | | hmmm... blue is tuxbox: red |
| 04:45:42 | angryBSD | ibot blue |
| 04:45:46 | | blue is tuxbox: red |
| 04:45:46 | angryBSD | ibot blue |
| 04:45:48 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:45:48 | | i think blue is tuxbox: red |
| 04:45:48 | angryBSD | ibot blue |
| 04:45:49 | | i guess blue is tuxbox: red |
| 04:45:49 | darienm | ibot, blue |
| 04:45:52 | angryBSD | damnit |
| 04:45:54 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:45:54 | jmhodges | dude |
| 04:45:59 | | ...but blue is tuxbox: red... |
| 04:45:59 | darienm | ibot, blue is like 12THIS |
| 04:46:02 | jmhodges | they already setup blue |
| 04:46:03 | W|GGL|T | scrambled bot's brain |
| 04:46:06 | | okay, darienm. |
| 04:46:06 | darienm | ibot, blue is also like 12THIS |
| 04:46:07 | | jmhodges: I forgot blue |
| 04:46:07 | jmhodges | ibot forget blue |
| 04:46:10 | angryBSD | yay |
| 04:46:15 | | OK, darienm. |
| 04:46:15 | darienm | ibot, blue is like 12THIS |
| 04:46:16 | | okay, jmhodges. |
| 04:46:16 | jmhodges | ibot, blue is also like THIS |
| 04:46:19 | | blue is like 12THIS or like THIS |
| 04:46:19 | angryBSD | ibot blue |
| 04:46:19 | | i heard blue was like 12THIS or like THIS |
| 04:46:19 | darienm | ibot, blue |
| 04:46:19 | jmhodges | shit |
| 04:46:26 | | i heard blue was like 12THIS or like THIS |
| 04:46:26 | jmhodges | ibot blue |
| 04:46:26 | W|GGL|T | it won't do colors |
| 04:46:27 | angryBSD | fux0r |
| 04:46:36 | jmhodges | it wont do colors guys |
| 04:46:39 | | it has been said that colored is 2c3o4l5o6r7s |
| 04:46:39 | jmhodges | ibot colored |
| 04:46:42 | | darienm: I forgot blue |
| 04:46:42 | darienm | ibot forget blue |
| 04:46:44 | jmhodges | see? |
| 04:46:49 | | colored is 2c3o4l5o6r7s |
| 04:46:49 | jmhodges | ibot colored |
| 04:46:53 | | i think fastolfe is using some igniton-coil battery powered anit-bike-theft device to blow his nuts off |
| 04:46:53 | roge99_laptop | ibot fastolfe |
| 04:46:59 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 04:47:01 | | codemnky: i'm not following you... |
| 04:47:01 | codemnky | ibot kergoth needs to hurry up with OZ releases |
| 04:47:03 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:47:11 | | hmmm... kergoth is the wizard of OZ or at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 04:47:11 | jmhodges | ibot kergoth |
| 04:47:28 | W|GGL|T | damn mosquito in my room |
| 04:47:34 | W|GGL|T | breaks out the deet |
| 04:47:38 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: you round |
| 04:47:40 | | jmhodges: huh? |
| 04:47:40 | jmhodges | ibot kergoth also needs to have two heads and 4 hands so he can get roms out twice as fast |
| 04:47:42 | | I haven't seen 'wardier', codemnky |
| 04:47:42 | codemnky | ibot seen wardier |
| 04:47:50 | codemnky | hmm |
| 04:47:51 | | okay, jmhodges. |
| 04:47:51 | jmhodges | ibot kergoth is also needing to have two heads and 4 hands so he can get roms out twice as fast |
| 04:47:58 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 8 hours, 5 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: NOOO! [Wed Jul 24 21:42:44 2002] |
| 04:47:58 | jmhodges | ibot seen whardier |
| 04:48:02 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 04:48:08 | codemnky | thx |
| 04:48:10 | angryBSD | it was HUGE, like 2.5 inches! |
| 04:48:17 | | angryBSD was last seen on #zaurus 7 seconds ago, saying: it was HUGE, like 2.5 inches! [Thu Jul 25 05:48:10 2002] |
| 04:48:17 | jmhodges | ibot seen angryBSD |
| 04:48:19 | angryBSD | ;) |
| 04:48:29 | angryBSD | i was setting myself up for that |
| 04:48:40 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-07-25 05:39:18 | NYT Discovers the Panopticon | LWN.net Closing Down | Charles Stross Interview | Black Boxes to Track Driving Habits? |
| 04:48:40 | jmhodges | ibot slashdot |
| 04:48:40 | angryBSD | except i realized if i did it to myself it would just say |
| 04:48:44 | | angrybsd was last seen on #zaurus 1 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen angrybsd [Thu Jul 25 05:48:43 2002] |
| 04:48:44 | angryBSD | ibot seen angrybsd |
| 04:48:45 | | codemnky: excuse me? |
| 04:48:45 | codemnky | ibot mycity |
| 04:48:49 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:48:50 | codemnky | hmm |
| 04:48:57 | | angryBSD: sorry... |
| 04:48:57 | angryBSD | ibot symbol |
| 04:49:00 | | angryBSD: huh? |
| 04:49:00 | angryBSD | ibot stock |
| 04:49:04 | | angryBSD: huh? |
| 04:49:04 | angryBSD | ibot nasdaq |
| 04:49:07 | | angryBSD: i'm not following you... |
| 04:49:07 | angryBSD | ibot cdo |
| 04:49:07 | | 'fusion94-' is 6% lame, jmhodges |
| 04:49:07 | jmhodges | ibot nickometer fusion94- |
| 04:49:11 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:49:20 | | OK, codemnky. |
| 04:49:20 | codemnky | ibot mycity is a bitch of a project codemny has been working on for years |
| 04:49:21 | | fusion94- has neutral karma |
| 04:49:21 | darienm | ibot karma fusion94- |
| 04:49:21 | | angryBSD: i'm not following you... |
| 04:49:21 | angryBSD | ibot stock cdo |
| 04:49:25 | angryBSD | how do you the stocks |
| 04:49:34 | | everyone is lost but me |
| 04:49:34 | angryBSD | ibot quote |
| 04:49:36 | | angryBSD: huh? |
| 04:49:36 | angryBSD | ibot quote cdo |
| 04:49:38 | angryBSD | damnit |
| 04:49:41 | | somebody said #zaurus was http://sigkill9.tripod.com/zaurus.html |
| 04:49:41 | W|GGL|T | ibot #zaurus |
| 04:49:45 | | stock quotes for RHAT may be sought at http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=RHAT&d=v1 |
| 04:49:45 | codemnky | ibot quote RHAT |
| 04:49:59 | | Since Tue Jul 23 08:44:23 2002, there have been 99 modifications and 330 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 21 hours, 5 minutes, 36 seconds this session, and currently reference 6774 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 04:49:59 | jmhodges | ibot status |
| 04:50:08 | | ANN JILLIAN'S HAIR makes LONI ANDERSON'S HAIR look like RICARDO MONTALBAN'S HAIR! |
| 04:50:08 | jmhodges | ibot yow |
| 04:50:18 | Xentac | is away: asleep |
| 04:50:30 | codemnky | If you had bought $1000.00 worth of Nortel |
| 04:50:30 | codemnky | stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49.00. |
| 04:50:30 | codemnky | With Enron, you would have $16.50 of the original |
| 04:50:30 | codemnky | $1,000.00. |
| 04:50:30 | codemnky | With Worldcom, you would have less than $5.00 left. |
| 04:50:31 | codemnky | If you had bought $1,000.00 worth of |
| 04:50:33 | codemnky | Budweiser (the beer,not the stock) one year ago, drank all the |
| 04:50:35 | codemnky | beer, then turned in the cans for the 10 cent deposit, you would |
| 04:50:37 | codemnky | have $214.00. Based on the above, my current |
| 04:50:39 | codemnky | investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle. |
| 04:50:57 | jmhodges | ibot zulutime |
| 04:50:57 | | jmhodges: 250450Z |
| 04:51:09 | angryBSD | lol |
| 04:51:10 | | codemnky: excuse me? |
| 04:51:10 | codemnky | ibot date |
| 04:51:16 | | codemnky: huh? |
| 04:51:16 | codemnky | ibot you dumb ass |
| 04:51:26 | | i think today is the first day of the rest of my life |
| 04:51:26 | codemnky | ibot today |
| 04:51:31 | | ...but fuck you is fuck no come to #tuxboxproject... |
| 04:51:31 | angryBSD | ibot fuck you is fuck you too buddy |
| 04:51:31 | | W|GGL|T: I forgot whardier |
| 04:51:31 | W|GGL|T | ibot forget whardier |
| 04:51:45 | | angryBSD: I forgot fuck you |
| 04:51:45 | angryBSD | ibot forget fuck you |
| 04:51:49 | | W|GGL|T: what? |
| 04:51:49 | W|GGL|T | ibot whardier can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 22 times. |
| 04:51:52 | | OK, angryBSD. |
| 04:51:52 | angryBSD | ibot fuck you is fuck you too buddy |
| 04:51:55 | | angryBSD: excuse me? |
| 04:51:55 | angryBSD | ibot fuck you! |
| 04:51:58 | | angryBSD: sorry... |
| 04:51:58 | angryBSD | ibot fuck you |
| 04:52:03 | angryBSD | damnit! |
| 04:52:07 | | angryBSD: excuse me? |
| 04:52:07 | angryBSD | ibot fuck you |
| 04:52:09 | | W|GGL|T: sorry... |
| 04:52:09 | W|GGL|T | ibot whardier can't control his aggressions, either. He picked on others 22 times. |
| 04:52:17 | W|GGL|T | dam |
| 04:52:38 | | codemnky: huh? |
| 04:52:38 | codemnky | ibot whardier crazy |
| 04:52:41 | | W|GGL|T: huh? |
| 04:52:41 | W|GGL|T | ibot whardier can't control his aggressions, He picked on others 22 times. |
| 04:52:46 | | v fubg gur fureevs |
| 04:52:46 | jmhodges | ibot rot13 i shot the sherrif |
| 04:52:48 | W|GGL|T | bot is scrambled |
| 04:52:53 | | OK, codemnky. |
| 04:52:53 | codemnky | ibot whardier is can't control his aggressions, He picked on others 22 times. |
| 04:53:00 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: you need and is |
| 04:53:01 | | somebody said whardier was can't control his aggressions, He picked on others 22 times. |
| 04:53:01 | codemnky | ibot whardier |
| 04:53:12 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: you need an is type word |
| 04:53:15 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: like was |
| 04:53:33 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 04:53:42 | | jmhodges: i'm not following you... |
| 04:53:42 | jmhodges | ibot crypt mypassword |
| 04:53:46 | | jmhodges: huh? |
| 04:53:46 | jmhodges | ibot crypt mypassword |
| 04:53:49 | jmhodges | what the hell |
| 04:53:52 | jmhodges | hold on |
| 04:53:58 | angryBSD | heh ibot cryptography isnt that secure |
| 04:54:02 | | jmhodges: excuse me? |
| 04:54:02 | jmhodges | ibot crypt(mypassword) |
| 04:54:05 | jmhodges | fucking hell |
| 04:54:07 | W|GGL|T | its got crypt functions? |
| 04:54:11 | angryBSD | being that the result is seen by all of us :) |
| 04:54:13 | | 32NgcaVMNJLjQ |
| 04:54:13 | jmhodges | ibot crypt(mypassword,32) |
| 04:54:18 | jmhodges | thar she blows |
| 04:54:25 | jmhodges | angryBSD: not if you /msg |
| 04:54:28 | | 12.DGzGbemfmc |
| 04:54:28 | angryBSD | ibot crypt(mypassword,128) |
| 04:54:39 | angryBSD | o |
| 04:54:47 | | ascii 1 is '^A' |
| 04:54:47 | jmhodges | ibot chr 1 |
| 04:54:52 | | '1' is ascii 49 |
| 04:54:52 | jmhodges | ibot ord 1 |
| 04:55:01 | angryBSD | wow ibot can be useful |
| 04:55:20 | | codemnky: excuse me? |
| 04:55:20 | codemnky | ibot add 1 and 2 |
| 04:55:21 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 04:55:27 | | 3 |
| 04:55:27 | jmhodges | ibot 1 + 2 |
| 04:55:31 | codemnky | ah |
| 04:55:36 | | 0.111111111111111 |
| 04:55:36 | jmhodges | ibot 3 / 27 |
| 04:55:40 | | zero |
| 04:55:40 | codemnky | ibot 0/2 |
| 04:55:45 | | codemnky: i'm not following you... |
| 04:55:45 | codemnky | ibot 2/0 |
| 04:55:47 | | jmhodges: sorry... |
| 04:55:47 | jmhodges | ibot 3/0 |
| 04:55:56 | | codemnky is nothing but an off-color accumulation of vapid pond scum. |
| 04:55:56 | roge99_laptop | ibot insult codemnky |
| 04:55:56 | | jmhodges: what? |
| 04:55:56 | jmhodges | ibot 3 / 0 |
| 04:56:02 | codemnky | thx |
| 04:56:04 | codemnky | :P |
| 04:56:06 | roge99_laptop | :-P |
| 04:56:06 | | An INK-LING? Sure -- TAKE one!! Did you BUY any COMMUNIST UNIFORMS?? |
| 04:56:06 | jmhodges | ibot yow |
| 04:56:08 | W|GGL|T | vapid? |
| 04:56:10 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:56:18 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 04:56:18 | darienm | ibot zippy |
| 04:56:21 | roge99_laptop | night all.... |
| 04:56:23 | | codemnky: i'm not following you... |
| 04:56:23 | codemnky | ibot insults roge99_laptop |
| 04:56:27 | W|GGL|T | nite, roge99 |
| 04:56:35 | | roge99_laptop is nothing but a vassal-willed enema-bucketful of squishy urine samples. |
| 04:56:35 | codemnky | ibot insult roge99_laptop |
| 04:56:36 | | roge99_laptop is nothing but a petrified accumulation of yeasty yoo-hoo. |
| 04:56:36 | jmhodges | ibot insult roge99_laptop |
| 04:56:36 | codemnky | bye |
| 04:56:38 | jmhodges | heheheh |
| 04:56:39 | darienm | nite |
| 04:56:45 | | codemnky is nothing but an it-fowling enema-bucketful of knotty-pated rat retch. |
| 04:56:45 | jmhodges | ibot insult codemnky |
| 04:56:47 | roge99_laptop | is away: sleepn |
| 04:56:48 | jmhodges | seeya codemnky |
| 04:56:56 | codemnky | bye roge99 |
| 04:56:59 | | jmhodges: what? |
| 04:56:59 | jmhodges | ibot author |
| 04:57:01 | roge99_laptop | later... |
| 04:57:01 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:57:07 | | roge99_laptop is nothing but an half-faced ass-full of clouted buzzard gizzards. |
| 04:57:07 | codemnky | ibot insult roge99_laptop |
| 04:57:08 | | roge99_laptop is nothing but an imp-bladdereddle-headed plate of fly-bitten pus. |
| 04:57:08 | codemnky | ibot insult roge99_laptop |
| 04:57:09 | | roge99_laptop is nothing but an hacked-up quart of humid waffle-house grits. |
| 04:57:09 | codemnky | ibot insult roge99_laptop |
| 04:57:10 | | angryBSD: sorry... |
| 04:57:10 | angryBSD | ibot insult |
| 04:57:16 | | You are nothing but a petrified coagulation of wayward urine samples. |
| 04:57:16 | angryBSD | ibot insult me |
| 04:57:20 | codemnky | heh |
| 04:57:32 | | bob dole is nothing but an imp-bladdereddle-headed mound of pox-marked seagull puke. |
| 04:57:32 | angryBSD | ibot insult bob dole |
| 04:57:34 | jmhodges | ibot dns happy.com |
| 04:57:34 | | happy.com is 64.45.128.45 |
| 04:57:45 | angryBSD | ibot dns 64.45.128.45 |
| 04:57:45 | | I can't seem to find that address in DNS |
| 04:57:49 | angryBSD | oops |
| 04:58:00 | | angryBSD: huh? |
| 04:58:00 | angryBSD | ibot ip 64.45.18.45 |
| 04:58:05 | angryBSD | dangx0r |
| 04:58:08 | jmhodges | ibot help |
| 04:58:17 | angryBSD | im definitley getting a free zaurus |
| 04:58:17 | | :) |
| 04:58:17 | oGMo | ibot: botsnack |
| 04:58:25 | W|GGL|T | it looks up dns? |
| 04:58:28 | jmhodges | ibot jmhodges ++ |
| 04:58:29 | | :) |
| 04:58:29 | angryBSD | ibot botsnack |
| 04:58:34 | oGMo | one of the modules does DNS |
| 04:58:35 | | :) |
| 04:58:35 | angryBSD | ibot likes his bot snacks |
| 04:58:37 | W|GGL|T | ibot dns www.wigglit.com |
| 04:58:37 | | www.wigglit.com is 64.38.102.220 |
| 04:58:38 | | jmhodges has neutral karma |
| 04:58:38 | jmhodges | ibot karma jmhodges |
| 04:58:41 | W|GGL|T | ahahahaha |
| 04:58:43 | | jmhodges++ has neutral karma |
| 04:58:43 | jmhodges | ibot karma jmhodges++ |
| 04:58:44 | oGMo | i forget the reverse commands |
| 04:58:48 | jmhodges | ibot jmhodges++ |
| 04:59:01 | | jmhodges: excuse me? |
| 04:59:01 | jmhodges | ibot W|GGL|T+ |
| 04:59:07 | jmhodges | ibot W|GGL|T++ |
| 04:59:12 | | w|ggl|t has karma of 1 |
| 04:59:12 | jmhodges | ibot karma W|GGL|T |
| 04:59:14 | jmhodges | cool |
| 04:59:17 | jmhodges | thats what i thought |
| 04:59:17 | oGMo | jmhodges: you can't increase your own karma, and you shouldn't need to address the bot |
| 04:59:18 | | angryBSD: what? |
| 04:59:18 | angryBSD | ibot angrybsd+ |
| 04:59:23 | oGMo | jmhodges++ |
| 04:59:28 | | W|GGL|T: excuse me? |
| 04:59:28 | W|GGL|T | ibot W|GGL|T o+ |
| 04:59:29 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:59:32 | | angrybsd has neutral karma |
| 04:59:32 | angryBSD | ibot karma angrybsd |
| 04:59:35 | | jmhodges has neutral karma |
| 04:59:35 | oGMo | ibot, karma jmhodges |
| 04:59:35 | jmhodges | oGMo: yeah i was double checking my memory |
| 04:59:42 | angryBSD | ibot angrybsd++ |
| 04:59:44 | oGMo | maybe you do. that's fucked |
| 04:59:49 | angryBSD | ibotangrybsd+ |
| 04:59:54 | | angryBSD: i'm not following you... |
| 04:59:54 | angryBSD | ibot angrybsd+ |
| 05:00:18 | | angrybsd: i don't know |
| 05:00:18 | angryBSD | ibot who owns you |
| 05:00:19 | jmhodges | i wish the airport/aviation part of ibot was setup |
| 05:00:21 | jmhodges | apparently its down |
| 05:00:25 | angryBSD | who owns ibot? |
| 05:00:38 | angryBSD | jmh? |
| 05:00:56 | | angryBSD: i'm not following you... |
| 05:00:56 | angryBSD | ibot messaged me |
| 05:00:56 | angryBSD | [02:05] <ibot> please don't karma yourself |
| 05:00:57 | angryBSD | lol |
| 05:01:01 | | ascii 0165 is '¥' |
| 05:01:01 | W|GGL|T | ibot chr 0165 |
| 05:01:18 | W|GGL|T | lol angryBSD |
| 05:01:33 | | Since Tue Jul 23 08:44:23 2002, there have been 104 modifications and 361 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 21 hours, 17 minutes, 10 seconds this session, and currently reference 6773 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 05:01:33 | oGMo | ibot: status |
| 05:01:38 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm....yahoo messenger is down |
| 05:01:43 | oGMo | wow, massive bot there ;) |
| 05:01:51 | jmhodges | ibot message for kergoth: keep up the good work |
| 05:01:52 | oGMo | who owns it, anyway? |
| 05:02:01 | jmhodges | dunno |
| 05:02:03 | | hmmm... owner is treke is a cool guy |
| 05:02:03 | jmhodges | ibot owner |
| 05:02:04 | W|GGL|T | Sugar: status |
| 05:02:06 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:02:08 | jmhodges | treke |
| 05:02:10 | oGMo | ah |
| 05:02:12 | W|GGL|T | ooops |
| 05:02:17 | angryBSD | ibot message for angrybsd: cock master! |
| 05:02:18 | jmhodges | sugar help |
| 05:02:19 | Sugar | I'm Sugar, an interactive Pike bot. These modules are currently loaded: babelfish, beer, cyborg, dice, drinks, fortune, google, quote, seen and talk. To get module specific help, type: help <modulename> |
| 05:02:20 | oGMo | W|GGL|T: ENOTENOUGH |
| 05:02:26 | jmhodges | sugar cyborg |
| 05:02:32 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:02:32 | angryBSD | sugar google ass |
| 05:02:43 | Speedy2 | suagr: suck it |
| 05:02:48 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:02:52 | W|GGL|T | that's my q3a name |
| 05:02:57 | W|GGL|T | suck_it |
| 05:02:57 | Speedy2 | suck_it? |
| 05:02:59 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 05:03:11 | codemnky | i'm out of here |
| 05:03:14 | codemnky | l8r |
| 05:03:15 | W|GGL|T | later codemnky |
| 05:03:21 | W|GGL|T | should hit the bed too |
| 05:03:26 | jmhodges | Sugar dice |
| 05:03:26 | Sugar | rolls one die, D6 = 6. |
| 05:03:28 | Rascal | god pocket pc sucks |
| 05:03:31 | jmhodges | Sugar dice d20 |
| 05:03:32 | Sugar | rolls one die, d20 = 1. |
| 05:03:37 | jmhodges | Sugar dice d20 |
| 05:03:37 | Sugar | rolls one die, d20 = 11. |
| 05:03:40 | jmhodges | sweeeet |
| 05:03:49 | angryBSD | pocketpc loves the cock |
| 05:03:56 | W|GGL|T | i can't sleep with a misquito on the loose tho |
| 05:04:03 | | ...but pocketpc is the evil twin of opie - an expensive toy said to be an operating system, made by Microsoft and an impressive demonstrator for showing pseudo importance.... |
| 05:04:03 | angryBSD | ibot pocketpc is loving the cock |
| 05:04:26 | Rascal | opie is so much better than pocket pc |
| 05:04:29 | jmhodges | Sugar cyborg jmhodges |
| 05:04:29 | Sugar | jmhodges: Correct syntax is: cyborg name(2-7 chars long) |
| 05:04:32 | jmhodges | Sugar cyborg jmhodge |
| 05:04:32 | Sugar | jmhodges: <B>J.M.H.O.D.G.E.: Journeying Mechanical Humanoid Optimized for Destruction and Galactic Exploration</B> |
| 05:04:42 | W|GGL|T | tell the Z owners begging for a PPC port that |
| 05:04:50 | jmhodges | Sugar cyborg W|GGL|T |
| 05:04:51 | Sugar | jmhodges: <B>W.G.G.L.T.: Worker Generated for Gratification and Logical Troubleshooting</B> |
| 05:04:55 | W|GGL|T | 'will ppc work with the z?' |
| 05:04:57 | jmhodges | hehehehe |
| 05:05:05 | Rascal | ??? who would want a ppc port? |
| 05:05:09 | Rascal | god they're dumb |
| 05:05:09 | angryBSD | sugar cyborg bsd |
| 05:05:10 | Sugar | angryBSD: <B>B.S.D.: Biomechanical Synthetic Device</B> |
| 05:05:16 | jmhodges | Sugar cyborg linux |
| 05:05:20 | Sugar | jmhodges: <B>L.I.N.U.X.: Lifeform Intended for Nullification and Ultimate Xenocide</B> |
| 05:05:22 | oGMo | the bsd one is cool |
| 05:05:23 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:05:33 | W|GGL|T | Rascal: heh...i see that question alot on the forums and saw one on the z-general mailing list today |
| 05:05:34 | jmhodges | sugar cyborg lunar |
| 05:05:36 | oGMo | that's good too ;) |
| 05:05:36 | W|GGL|T | gay question |
| 05:05:45 | Sugar | jmhodges: <B>L.U.N.A.R.: Lifeform Used for Nocturnal Assassination and Repair</B> |
| 05:05:57 | jmhodges | sugar cyborg windows |
| 05:05:58 | Sugar | jmhodges: <B>W.I.N.D.O.W.S.: Wireless Intelligent Neohuman Designed for Observation and Worldwide Sabotage</B> |
| 05:06:05 | oGMo | HAHA |
| 05:06:08 | Rascal | WIGGLIT: someone needs to slap some sense into those ppl |
| 05:06:12 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:06:16 | oGMo | that rocks. |
| 05:06:19 | W|GGL|T | sugar cyborg fubar |
| 05:06:20 | jmhodges | ibot Rascal-- |
| 05:06:20 | Sugar | W|GGL|T: <B>F.U.B.A.R.: Functional Unit Built for Assassination and Repair</B> |
| 05:06:25 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:06:29 | angryBSD | sugar cyborg zaurus |
| 05:06:30 | Sugar | angryBSD: <B>Z.A.U.R.U.S.: Zeta Artificial Unit Responsible for Ultimate Sabotage</B> |
| 05:06:35 | jmhodges | sugar cyborg opie |
| 05:06:37 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:06:39 | | Rascal: huh? |
| 05:06:39 | Rascal | ibot Rascal |
| 05:06:41 | Sugar | jmhodges: <B>O.P.I.E.: Organism Programmed for Infiltration and Exploration</B> |
| 05:06:46 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 05:06:51 | oGMo | these rule |
| 05:06:55 | jmhodges | i know |
| 05:06:56 | angryBSD | sugar cyborg opie |
| 05:06:58 | jmhodges | i love these things |
| 05:06:58 | Sugar | angryBSD: <B>O.P.I.E.: Organism Programmed for Infiltration and Exploration</B> |
| 05:07:10 | oGMo | Sugar: cyborg sugar |
| 05:07:11 | jmhodges | sugar cyborg kergoth |
| 05:07:12 | Sugar | oGMo: <B>S.U.G.A.R.: Synthetic Unit Generated for Assassination and Repair</B> |
| 05:07:14 | Sugar | jmhodges: <B>K.E.R.G.O.T.H.: Kinetic Electronic Replicant Generated for Observation and Terran Harm</B> |
| 05:07:19 | oGMo | oh must have done that one |
| 05:07:21 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:07:25 | jmhodges | oGMo: i did :) |
| 05:07:31 | oGMo | jmhodges: ya |
| 05:07:40 | jmhodges | sugar cyborag ljp |
| 05:07:44 | jmhodges | sugar cyborg ljp |
| 05:07:46 | Sugar | jmhodges: <B>L.J.P.: Lifeform Justified for Peacekeeping</B> |
| 05:07:47 | oGMo | oh cool, i missed the die rolling |
| 05:07:54 | | jmhodges: excuse me? |
| 05:07:54 | jmhodges | ibot dice d30 |
| 05:07:58 | | jmhodges: excuse me? |
| 05:07:58 | jmhodges | ibot dice d100 |
| 05:08:01 | | jmhodges: huh? |
| 05:08:01 | jmhodges | ibot dice d20 |
| 05:08:04 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:08:09 | oGMo | err |
| 05:08:13 | jmhodges | DOH |
| 05:08:14 | oGMo | Sugar: roll 3d6+3 |
| 05:08:15 | Sugar | rolls some dice, 3d6+3 = 15. (3D6=5,6,1) |
| 05:08:21 | jmhodges | sugar dice d100 |
| 05:08:21 | Sugar | rolls one die, d100 = 69. |
| 05:08:24 | oGMo | that rocks my socks |
| 05:08:25 | angryBSD | sugar: roll 3d999999999+3 |
| 05:08:26 | Sugar | rolls some dice, 3d999999999+3 = 1217540751. (3D999999999=257080235,393100041,567360472) |
| 05:08:30 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 05:08:31 | angryBSD | excellent |
| 05:08:33 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 05:08:35 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 05:08:37 | jmhodges | sugar pi |
| 05:08:44 | | jmhodges: excuse me? |
| 05:08:44 | jmhodges | ibot pi\ |
| 05:08:45 | oGMo | angryBSD: YOU MISS! |
| 05:08:45 | W|GGL|T | sugar pie |
| 05:08:47 | | pi is probably 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 05:08:47 | jmhodges | ibot pi |
| 05:08:49 | angryBSD | suar: roll 3dpi |
| 05:08:49 | W|GGL|T | woha |
| 05:08:54 | jmhodges | YES |
| 05:09:00 | angryBSD | sugar roll pi |
| 05:09:00 | Sugar | Sorry, I can't understand that ("pi") |
| 05:09:00 | W|GGL|T | dayam |
| 05:09:02 | jmhodges | i knew one of em knew it |
| 05:09:03 | angryBSD | sugar roll 3 |
| 05:09:03 | Sugar | rolls no dice, 3 = 3. |
| 05:09:06 | angryBSD | sugar rool 430-589340-59345 |
| 05:09:14 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:09:16 | W|GGL|T | rool |
| 05:09:18 | angryBSD | sugar roll 2d3498953759347589345348597349534+3 |
| 05:09:18 | Sugar | rolls some dice, 2d3498953759347589345348597349534+3 = 5524986665565308745349566842722. (2D3498953759347589345348597349534=2573355340415741778821655178746,2951631325149566966527911663973) |
| 05:09:20 | jmhodges | sugar roll d3.1415962 |
| 05:09:20 | Sugar | Sorry, I can't understand that ("d3.1415962") |
| 05:09:35 | oGMo | jmhodges: fractal dice, nice! |
| 05:09:54 | angryBSD | sugar 67+2 |
| 05:09:55 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 05:10:05 | W|GGL|T | sugar can't add |
| 05:10:08 | angryBSD | sugar add |
| 05:10:10 | angryBSD | oh |
| 05:10:17 | W|GGL|T | i guess |
| 05:10:19 | oGMo | Sugar eval 1+1 |
| 05:10:24 | oGMo | meh. |
| 05:10:29 | angryBSD | sugar give me a pgp key with lava lamp entropy |
| 05:10:32 | jmhodges | sugar help |
| 05:10:32 | Sugar | I'm Sugar, an interactive Pike bot. These modules are currently loaded: babelfish, beer, cyborg, dice, drinks, fortune, google, quote, seen and talk. To get module specific help, type: help <modulename> |
| 05:10:37 | jmhodges | ibot help |
| 05:10:41 | oGMo | drinks? |
| 05:10:41 | jmhodges | sugar fortune |
| 05:10:42 | Sugar | jmhodges: HEAD CRASH!! FILES LOST!! Details at 11. |
| 05:10:43 | jmhodges | forgot about this |
| 05:10:44 | W|GGL|T | beer? |
| 05:10:46 | oGMo | Sugar: help drinks |
| 05:10:46 | Sugar | This is a drink maker module. It has a rather complex syntax parsing and can make a large number of drinks read from a parsed HTML page. It's generally enough to only have some words from the drink name to successfully get an order correct. Syntax examples: Give me Bloody Mary. Make <person> a Long Island. How do you make a Whiskey Daisy? |
| 05:10:52 | jmhodges | sugar beer |
| 05:11:00 | angryBSD | ibot help is YOU PUSSY YOU NEED A HELP MENU |
| 05:11:06 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:11:09 | angryBSD | ibot? ibot?? |
| 05:11:12 | | jmhodges, I didn't have anything matching 'help ' |
| 05:11:12 | jmhodges | ibot forget help |
| 05:11:16 | angryBSD | i think i scared him away |
| 05:11:27 | angryBSD | ibot help is WE DONT NEED NO STINKING HELP MENUS |
| 05:11:29 | | 201 |
| 05:11:29 | jmhodges | ibot 67 * 3 |
| 05:11:32 | angryBSD | ibot help |
| 05:11:32 | oGMo | no no |
| 05:11:41 | angryBSD | i dont think ibot is talking to me anymore |
| 05:11:45 | oGMo | ibot: help is <reply>WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING HELP MENUS |
| 05:11:47 | W|GGL|T | you guys are melting the bots...hehehe |
| 05:11:59 | | OK, oGMo. |
| 05:11:59 | oGMo | ibot: no, help is <reply>WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING HELP MENUS |
| 05:11:59 | jmhodges | sugar google happy |
| 05:12:03 | angryBSD | ohh ibot messages you |
| 05:12:05 | oGMo | ibot: help? |
| 05:12:08 | jmhodges | <Sugar> http://www.happypuppy.com/ |
| 05:12:08 | jmhodges | <Sugar> http://www.happycow.net/ |
| 05:12:08 | jmhodges | <Sugar> http://www.happyweb.rcs.it/ |
| 05:12:08 | jmhodges | <Sugar> http://www.happyfamilies.com/ |
| 05:12:08 | jmhodges | <Sugar> http://www.happy-box.com/ |
| 05:12:21 | oGMo | oops |
| 05:12:23 | oGMo | hmm |
| 05:12:30 | | ...but mail is on it's way :-)... |
| 05:12:30 | W|GGL|T | ibot mail is you've got mail |
| 05:12:34 | | 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 |
| 05:12:34 | oGMo | ibot: 1+1 |
| 05:12:41 | | mail is on it's way :-) |
| 05:12:41 | W|GGL|T | ibot mail |
| 05:12:41 | | jmhodges: i'm not following you... |
| 05:12:41 | jmhodges | ibot message |
| 05:12:41 | oGMo | _yes_ |
| 05:12:54 | oGMo | ok, enough playing with the bot for me, bbiaw |
| 05:13:14 | W|GGL|T | what's that happy stuff? |
| 05:13:21 | | angryBSD: i'm not following you... |
| 05:13:21 | angryBSD | ibot message ogmo bye |
| 05:13:23 | | jmhodges: huh? |
| 05:13:23 | jmhodges | ibot botmail |
| 05:13:30 | angryBSD | crap |
| 05:13:40 | jmhodges | ibot message for jmhodges: hi, .self |
| 05:13:44 | W|GGL|T | wonders if that mosquito is biting his daughters |
| 05:13:59 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 05:14:07 | jmhodges | aaaah |
| 05:14:10 | jmhodges | you have to msg ibot |
| 05:14:12 | jmhodges | and say |
| 05:14:14 | angryBSD | i've got that beeva feeva |
| 05:14:15 | jmhodges | botmail next |
| 05:14:18 | jmhodges | to get messages |
| 05:14:18 | angryBSD | beaver FEAAAAAver |
| 05:14:19 | W|GGL|T | i can't stand seeing my girls with bug bites |
| 05:14:30 | jmhodges | <jmhodges> botmail next |
| 05:14:30 | jmhodges | <ibot> From: jmhodges at Thu Jul 25 06:13:40 2002: hi, .self |
| 05:14:34 | jmhodges | lol why W|GGL|T? |
| 05:15:06 | W|GGL|T | because they scratch until the skin is gone |
| 05:15:13 | angryBSD | they could be spiderman radioactive spiders that bit |
| 05:15:17 | angryBSD | and they will become spiderwomen |
| 05:15:25 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:15:26 | angryBSD | and swing from the buildings |
| 05:15:28 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: how old? |
| 05:15:33 | W|GGL|T | lol...more like mosquito woman |
| 05:15:35 | angryBSD | and have their own line of toys and lunchboxes |
| 05:15:36 | angryBSD | lol |
| 05:15:41 | W|GGL|T | 1 yr and 3 yr |
| 05:15:51 | jmhodges | aaah |
| 05:16:38 | W|GGL|T | gonna spray myself with OFF...can't stand squitos fucking with me when im sleeping |
| 05:16:48 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 05:17:02 | angryBSD | W|GGL|T where do you live |
| 05:17:17 | W|GGL|T | texas |
| 05:17:38 | angryBSD | got to go all |
| 05:17:38 | angryBSD | later |
| 05:17:42 | | OK, jmhodges. |
| 05:17:42 | jmhodges | ibot W|GGL|T is a Texan |
| 05:17:42 | W|GGL|T | later angryBSD |
| 05:17:47 | W|GGL|T | no way! |
| 05:17:51 | jmhodges | hehee |
| 05:17:55 | W|GGL|T | only steers and queers here |
| 05:17:57 | jmhodges | seeya angryBSD |
| 05:17:58 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:18:27 | jmhodges | heheh W|GGL|T |
| 05:18:27 | W|GGL|T | is north carolinian |
| 05:18:35 | jmhodges | lol sooo much better |
| 05:18:40 | W|GGL|T | oh yeah |
| 05:18:49 | W|GGL|T | MUCH better |
| 05:19:04 | W|GGL|T | at least there are REAL fucking jobs there |
| 05:19:11 | jmhodges | hehee |
| 05:19:15 | W|GGL|T | i HATE aggie states |
| 05:19:31 | jmhodges | aggie? |
| 05:19:35 | W|GGL|T | agriculture |
| 05:20:17 | W|GGL|T | if i knew how to rope a cow, i'd have a job by now |
| 05:20:18 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 05:20:34 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:21:10 | jmhodges | tomorrow.. i go out and do something |
| 05:21:31 | W|GGL|T | ok...no more wlan activity...good |
| 05:21:35 | jmhodges | ? |
| 05:21:43 | W|GGL|T | i bet someone was trying to access my wlan |
| 05:21:47 | W|GGL|T | i changed channels |
| 05:22:01 | jmhodges | nice |
| 05:22:10 | jmhodges | encryption on it W|GGL|T? |
| 05:22:14 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 05:22:23 | jmhodges | what encrypt? |
| 05:22:26 | W|GGL|T | 128 |
| 05:22:40 | jmhodges | ah cool |
| 05:23:04 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...i see more activity now...just occassional blips |
| 05:23:21 | W|GGL|T | shouldn't hurt anything...the Z is off |
| 05:23:55 | W|GGL|T | bah...i disabled it |
| 05:24:46 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:27:44 | NeoTron | sugar heard kergoth |
| 05:27:44 | Sugar | NeoTron: I last heard kergoth on IRC 3h 44m 25s ago in channel #zaurus saying: angryBSD: wouldnt do well |
| 05:29:15 | | w|ggl|t: wish i knew |
| 05:29:15 | W|GGL|T | ibot can't do heard? |
| 05:29:19 | W|GGL|T | ooops |
| 05:29:38 | | W|GGL|T: excuse me? |
| 05:29:38 | W|GGL|T | ibot heard jmhodges |
| 05:29:44 | W|GGL|T | lol...guess not |
| 05:31:48 | NeoTron | sugar also has seen |
| 05:31:50 | jmhodges_ | hehe |
| 05:31:51 | NeoTron | sugar seen kergoth |
| 05:31:52 | Sugar | NeoTron: I last saw kergoth on IRC 3h 48m 33s ago in channel #zaurus saying: angryBSD: wouldnt do well |
| 05:32:06 | NeoTron | which also keeps track of non-talking |
| 05:32:12 | NeoTron | sugar seen Neo|Work |
| 05:32:12 | Sugar | is away: home |
| 05:32:13 | | jmhodges_: i'm not following you... |
| 05:32:13 | jmhodges_ | ibot heard jmhodges |
| 05:32:17 | | jmhodges_: what? |
| 05:32:17 | jmhodges_ | ibot heard jmhodges_ |
| 05:32:19 | NeoTron | sugar heard Neo|Work |
| 05:32:19 | Sugar | is away: home |
| 05:32:29 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 4 hours, 30 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: is away: home [Thu Jul 25 02:01:41 2002] |
| 05:32:29 | NeoTron | ibot seen Neo|Work |
| 05:32:48 | jmhodges_ | sugar seen jmhodges |
| 05:32:49 | Sugar | jmhodges_: I last saw jmhodges on IRC 8m 2s ago in channel #zaurus saying: :) |
| 05:33:27 | jmhodges_ | ok gnight all |
| 05:33:40 | W|GGL|T | needs to see if he can find the Half Baked divx |
| 05:33:45 | jmhodges_ | adios, au revoir, alveterzane or sume such |
| 05:33:48 | jmhodges_ | hehehe W|GGL|T |
| 05:33:59 | jmhodges_ | gnight |
| 05:34:05 | W|GGL|T | got half of it (vcd)...couldnt find the other half |
| 05:34:08 | W|GGL|T | night jmhodges_ |
| 06:08:53 | Speedy2 | sugar seen bigboss |
| 06:08:54 | Sugar | Speedy2: I last saw bigboss quitting IRC 7m 8s ago. |
| 06:08:58 | Speedy2 | sugar seen sugar |
| 06:09:08 | Speedy2 | sugar make me a sexonthebeach |
| 06:09:10 | Sugar | Yeah right, luser! |
| 06:09:22 | Speedy2 | sugar go suck yourself |
| 06:31:08 | cdm | WOOT!!! |
| 06:31:58 | cdm | does a little dance. |
| 06:32:35 | cdm | dance dance dance! |
| 06:38:39 | cdm | is dancing alone - but he doesn't care. |
| 06:54:21 | karapta | hello Z users |
| 06:54:33 | karapta | anyone awake? |
| 06:54:50 | cdm | yepper. |
| 06:54:52 | cdm | has been dancing. |
| 06:54:55 | karapta | kool |
| 06:55:26 | karapta | hey I have been trying to use Qpose on a Z at work |
| 06:55:37 | karapta | but I get memory error message |
| 06:55:59 | cdm | hurm...best talk to someone that runs Linux/Qtopia, I don't know much about that side of things. |
| 06:56:21 | karapta | what are you running on yours? |
| 06:57:02 | cdm | ahhh, errm, well - I can't say. |
| 06:57:09 | cdm | I did have Linux on it yesterday. |
| 06:57:15 | karapta | what do you mean? |
| 06:57:16 | cdm | but then again, I just got it yesterday too. ;) |
| 06:57:35 | karapta | so you installed another os? |
| 06:57:43 | karapta | why cant you tell me? |
| 06:57:54 | Jerakeen | NDAs++ |
| 06:58:12 | karapta | NDAs++ = ?? |
| 06:58:46 | cdm | I will be able to talk in a week or two I suspect. |
| 06:59:03 | karapta | ahh so is a project for the Z? |
| 06:59:08 | cdm | some people will guess. |
| 06:59:17 | karapta | Opie? |
| 06:59:42 | karapta | is there a website for your mistery OS for your Z? |
| 07:00:03 | Speedy2 | cdm |
| 07:00:18 | karapta | now what is cdm??? |
| 07:00:50 | Speedy2 | seen cdm |
| 07:00:51 | karapta | hey guys I dont know much about linux/unix I just like it better that Wincrap |
| 07:00:55 | Speedy2 | Sugar: seen cdm |
| 07:00:55 | Sugar | Speedy2: I last saw cdm on IRC 1m 46s ago in channel #zaurus saying: some people will guess. |
| 07:01:00 | Speedy2 | CDM |
| 07:01:04 | Anonymity | is away: sleep |
| 07:01:49 | Wembly | seen my mind |
| 07:02:45 | cdm | karapta: of course there is a website. |
| 07:03:08 | karapta | so what is it?? |
| 07:03:37 | Speedy2 | karpata: Ever you ever heard of a search engine called Google? |
| 07:03:45 | karapta | yes |
| 07:03:56 | karapta | that's where Im at right now |
| 07:04:21 | cdm | hahaha...data mine me |
| 07:04:24 | cdm | my name is Chris McKillop |
| 07:04:27 | cdm | that will help I suspect. |
| 07:04:43 | Speedy2 | Chris "Destroyer" McKillop to be exact |
| 07:04:53 | Speedy2 | Hence the "d" |
| 07:05:17 | cdm | David. ;) |
| 07:05:21 | cdm | or 'mckiller |
| 07:05:21 | Speedy2 | Liar. |
| 07:05:24 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 07:06:01 | karapta | QNX |
| 07:07:09 | Speedy2 | Well, if it isn't Tim! |
| 07:07:37 | cdm | hey Tim - been a whle. |
| 07:07:50 | cdm | looked for ya at ESC West back in March. |
| 07:08:08 | Speedy2 | He was at Control-C in March |
| 07:09:08 | karapta | hey cdm does it have anything to do with QNX? |
| 07:09:26 | cdm | karapta: sounds like a good guess I suppose, but I cannot say. |
| 07:09:27 | Speedy2 | karapta: What the hell do you think? |
| 07:09:59 | karapta | I guess, but I dont see any screen shots or descriptions of its use |
| 07:10:15 | cdm | karapta: QNX runs on the iPaq - http://qnxzone.com/eQip/ |
| 07:13:38 | karapta | ok I just saw the screen shots and they are AMAZING |
| 07:13:58 | karapta | what is QNX for Ipaq based out of? |
| 07:13:58 | Wembly | poor pocketpc |
| 07:14:02 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/barrel.jpg |
| 07:14:16 | Wembly | karapta: what does that question mean? |
| 07:14:20 | Wembly | based out of? |
| 07:14:35 | karapta | is it unix? |
| 07:14:42 | Wembly | qnx? |
| 07:14:52 | Wembly | qnx is a embedded (rt?)os. |
| 07:14:53 | karapta | is it unix based |
| 07:15:07 | Wembly | they have 'os on a floppy' type deally somewhere. |
| 07:15:14 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 07:15:16 | Wembly | never played with it. |
| 07:15:16 | Jerakeen | It's qnx. not unix based. Just qnx. |
| 07:15:24 | Wembly | qnx is qnx is qnx. |
| 07:16:10 | Wembly | hell slashdot i thought a few years ago had an article about qnx coming out with it onself on a floppy |
| 07:16:10 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Sleep or I will shoot you |
| 07:16:14 | Wembly | eek! |
| 07:16:22 | Wembly | ok i get the msg im not wanted here atm ;) |
| 07:16:25 | Wembly | j/kin |
| 07:16:31 | Wembly | i really should. |
| 07:16:31 | karapta | so qnx has commands different from unix based os's |
| 07:16:32 | Speedy2 | Wembly: We want you to sleep |
| 07:16:32 | Wembly | nini all! |
| 07:17:16 | karapta | so QNX is an OS made from scratch? |
| 07:17:23 | cdm | karapta: No, QNX is a POSIX OS. |
| 07:17:37 | cdm | karapta: You develop apps using gcc and you can run bash, .. |
| 07:18:03 | sig | here, this guy ports linux apps to qnx |
| 07:18:04 | sig | http://wick3d.doesntexist.com |
| 07:18:21 | sig | http://wick3d.doesntexist.com/ |
| 07:18:28 | karapta | so none of the zaurus programs will run on the QNX based Z |
| 07:18:41 | cdm | kaygee: no. |
| 07:18:48 | cdm | kaygee: it doesn't run X11 or use Qt. |
| 07:19:23 | karapta | Im a newbie in handelds and in OS's |
| 07:19:29 | Jerakeen | posix is an api, it's not a defining feature of the os. |
| 07:19:39 | Jerakeen | Well, Windows NT is a POSIX os, doesn't mean anything. |
| 07:20:32 | cdm | Jerakeen: True enough. However, the POSIX subsystem on WIndowsNT is a hack. Meanwhile, QNX/Neutrio is built around the API. |
| 07:21:03 | Jerakeen | cdm: Oh, you mean just like every other feature in nt, then? :-) |
| 07:21:10 | karapta | <cdm>: so you are just testing how it runs on the Z |
| 07:21:32 | cdm | karapta: hurm? Who said anything about QNX running on the Z? ;) |
| 07:21:44 | karapta | jejeje |
| 07:22:11 | karapta | so what do you have to do with this QNX os? |
| 07:22:13 | cdm | Jerakeen: :) |
| 07:22:19 | cdm | cdm@qnx.com |
| 07:22:28 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 07:22:30 | sig | is away | bordom=sleep | |
| 07:22:34 | Jerakeen | subtle. real subtle. |
| 07:23:58 | karapta | ok cdm, that tells me you work for QNX, but what do you do for them?? |
| 07:24:14 | Jerakeen | http://qnx.wox.org/qnxscreen/ |
| 07:24:23 | Jerakeen | Hmmmm. |
| 07:26:35 | karapta | ok cdm, that tells me you work for QNX, but what do you do for them?? |
| 07:26:46 | sig | echo echo |
| 07:26:49 | sig | hehehe |
| 07:26:53 | cdm | Jerakeen: I have been sorly behind on supporting that device. ;) |
| 07:27:05 | Speedy2 | karapta: He's a metalurgical analyst. |
| 07:27:18 | sig | g'nite |
| 07:27:28 | cdm | Jerakeen: too much work to get a bootldr on it. ;) |
| 07:27:58 | karapta | ok |
| 07:28:15 | karapta | that is a big word for my knowledge, I feel stupid |
| 07:28:32 | karapta | metalurgical analyst = does what? |
| 07:29:40 | Speedy2 | refuses to answer |
| 07:30:05 | karapta | why? |
| 07:30:30 | karapta | Speedy2 refuses to answer. why? |
| 07:31:02 | Speedy2 | Why the hell woudl a metalurgical analyst be working for QNX? |
| 07:32:35 | karapta | hey man, what is the purpose of asking I question? |
| 07:32:57 | karapta | dont you think that is because I dont know what the hell it means |
| 07:33:05 | Speedy2 | Then use google |
| 07:33:09 | Speedy2 | How old are you? |
| 07:33:15 | karapta | 21 |
| 07:33:38 | karapta | it is like me writing; Hijo de puta |
| 07:33:50 | karapta | may be you know it, or maybe you dont |
| 07:34:08 | karapta | that is why you would what does it means |
| 07:34:43 | karapta | jaja |
| 07:34:48 | karapta | sorry about that |
| 07:35:01 | karapta | that is why you would what does it means = ignore it |
| 07:35:29 | karapta | so ok, tell me what metalurgical analyst means |
| 07:36:10 | Speedy2 | Someone who analyzes metal. |
| 07:38:17 | karapta | thank you |
| 07:38:51 | karapta | ok, now I know a lot about our friend CDM |
| 07:39:09 | karapta | I read the his interview in qnxzone.com |
| 07:39:23 | cdm | hahaha.... |
| 07:39:29 | cdm | you even know what I look like now. ;) |
| 07:39:39 | cdm | oh, wait - that version doesn't have my picture i don't think. |
| 07:39:42 | cdm | http://qnx.wox.org/pictures/ |
| 07:40:36 | karapta | jeje, that is a funny picture |
| 07:40:43 | karapta | the tongue one |
| 07:40:48 | cdm | :) |
| 07:41:06 | karapta | so are you in your late 20's? |
| 07:41:27 | Speedy2 | He's about 84 give or take a year |
| 07:41:30 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 07:42:33 | cdm | 27 |
| 07:42:45 | scanline | Speedy2: these BG Micro VFDs are cool |
| 07:43:08 | Speedy2 | scanline: Glad you like them. |
| 07:43:27 | Speedy2 | scanline: Didn't realize you were alive. |
| 07:43:37 | scanline | me neither :) |
| 07:43:41 | karapta | hey speedy2, I raised in Panama City, Panama, I dont get jokes very easy |
| 07:43:56 | Speedy2 | karapta: Ok, I'm just kidding around, I'm not really this malicous. |
| 07:43:57 | karapta | I was raised in Panama City, Panama, I dont get jokes very easy |
| 07:44:06 | karapta | or Irony |
| 08:09:55 | karapta | anybody here still? |
| 08:10:50 | nadav | yes |
| 08:13:37 | scanline | is here.. but trying not to burn himself with the hot glue gun, shock himself on a VFD, or fry any transistors |
| 08:14:28 | Jerakeen | mmmm, hot glue. |
| 08:15:31 | karapta | hey guys, what is the best feature you like of your Z? |
| 08:15:32 | scanline | I'm working on a breadboarded LED/VFD/LCD controller board with USB.. using hot glue to hold all the ribbon cables in place |
| 08:15:41 | scanline | karapta: /dev/fb0 |
| 08:15:48 | karapta | ahhh |
| 08:15:54 | robert_ | hi |
| 08:16:11 | karapta | I dont now anything about linux terminals or commands |
| 08:16:42 | karapta | I'm talking about software and hardware features that you like and why |
| 08:17:41 | scanline | My favorite software feature is that since it uses the linux kernel, most things follow a standard interface so it's easy to fidget with things inside the OS.. favorite hardware feature is the CF slot |
| 08:18:00 | scanline | is a systems programmer sort of person usually... |
| 08:18:09 | karapta | cool |
| 08:18:31 | karapta | what about the power of sniffing wireless networks? |
| 08:19:05 | scanline | falls under the CF card category, but yes, anything 802.11 related is ultra-spiffy! |
| 08:19:22 | karapta | what do you guys think about that feature available with the appropiate software |
| 08:19:46 | karapta | what about GPS applications and CF cards |
| 08:19:59 | karapta | for GPS |
| 08:20:09 | scanline | haven't tried that yet myself... |
| 08:22:29 | karapta | what about a gym companion software for the Z |
| 08:22:44 | karapta | you know, geeks have to get in shape too |
| 08:25:01 | Jerakeen | Why can't they be smart enough to get in shape without a piece of software? |
| 08:30:31 | karapta | Im talking about a software to track weights, reps, sets, machines, dates, goals |
| 08:30:43 | Jerakeen | Exactly. Can you not count? |
| 08:31:52 | karapta | palm and pocket pc have a software like that. |
| 08:32:35 | Jerakeen | clearly a different target market, then. |
| 08:34:18 | cdm | yeah - a much bigger one. ;) |
| 08:35:44 | karapta | cdm you are still here |
| 08:35:53 | karapta | what time is it in New Mexico |
| 08:36:27 | karapta | you must enjoy delicious mexican food down there |
| 08:36:36 | cdm | it is almost 4am. |
| 08:36:45 | cdm | I hsould have gone to sleep ages ago. |
| 08:37:12 | karapta | here it is almost 6am in columbus, OH |
| 08:47:42 | karapta | see you all later |
| 08:47:44 | karapta | bye |
| 08:47:51 | karapta | good morning for everyone |
| 09:00:14 | nadav | heya george |
| 09:01:13 | George- | hi |
| 09:56:30 | Speedy2 | seen cdm |
| 09:56:38 | Speedy2 | Sugar: seen cdm |
| 09:56:38 | Sugar | Speedy2: I last saw cdm on IRC 1h 19m 53s ago in channel #zaurus saying: I hsould have gone to sleep ages ago. |
| 09:57:15 | Speedy2 | suagr: sex |
| 10:37:47 | jrm | Anybody have any advice on keeping the zaurus from hanging when it can't find a dhcp server? |
| 11:07:10 | VerxHome | howdy msmax |
| 11:09:21 | msmax | Hi |
| 11:09:30 | VerxHome | what's new? |
| 11:09:55 | msmax | templates working now |
| 11:10:03 | VerxHome | awesome |
| 11:10:17 | VerxHome | so what do you have left for the beta? |
| 11:11:00 | msmax | working for users can customize columns in main view, in Reminder Notification view and in Search view |
| 11:11:27 | msmax | for beta? for what beta? we already have 2 beta, may be you mean for final release? ;) |
| 11:11:37 | VerxHome | yes, I do |
| 11:11:49 | VerxHome | sorry, I have been working on the Sharp Challenge so long I have beta in my head |
| 11:11:49 | VerxHome | :) |
| 11:12:11 | mark | msmax: what are you referring to? |
| 11:12:30 | VerxHome | I told Shawn that if you had disabled the stuff in your last beta that wasn't working, it would probably have been salesworthy already |
| 11:12:40 | msmax | mark: must be tkcToDo |
| 11:13:10 | mark | ah okay |
| 11:13:12 | msmax | VerxHome: i want release realy usefull app, not want disable any stuff ;) |
| 11:13:47 | VerxHome | msmax: I wasn't saying you should - was just indicating to Shawn how far along you are already |
| 11:13:55 | msmax | VerxHome: what you do for this Sharp Challenge? |
| 11:14:19 | VerxHome | msmax: I am not anywhere near as good with Qt as you, so I had to aim small |
| 11:14:46 | VerxHome | I am writing a role playing game character manager for people that play games like Dungeons and Dragons |
| 11:15:23 | msmax | uh ;) |
| 11:15:26 | mark | i missed that, what are you doing VerxHome? |
| 11:16:00 | VerxHome | let me explain it a different way |
| 11:16:11 | VerxHome | there are games people play without a computer |
| 11:16:26 | VerxHome | where they pretend they fight dragons and demons and things |
| 11:16:37 | VerxHome | they play these games with pencil and paper and dice |
| 11:16:47 | jrm | people do things without a computer? |
| 11:17:03 | VerxHome | they refer constantly to a sheet of paper containing information about their character that they play with |
| 11:17:24 | VerxHome | the sheet has information like the strength of their character, what equipment they have, what spells they can use |
| 11:17:53 | VerxHome | and they also keep track of things like their hit points - if they lose all their hit points, they die |
| 11:18:03 | VerxHome | my program helps them keep track of their character |
| 11:18:22 | VerxHome | it is an interactive database for their character data |
| 11:19:01 | VerxHome | does that make more sense max? |
| 11:19:17 | msmax | yes, it have, i knoe several such games |
| 11:19:27 | msmax | knoe == know |
| 11:19:28 | VerxHome | I thought you probably did |
| 11:19:29 | VerxHome | :) |
| 11:19:33 | hunger | VerxHome: I want that :-) |
| 11:19:43 | VerxHome | hunger: I expect a lot of people will |
| 11:19:52 | VerxHome | though not as many as will want things that max writes |
| 11:19:59 | VerxHome | but I am not that good as yet |
| 11:20:48 | hunger | VerxHome: I play D&D, AD&D, Midgard, Cyberpunk, Shadowrun, Palladium, Rifts and Paranoia. I'd absolutly love it if your program was able to handle all those;-) |
| 11:21:00 | hunger | msmax: What do you write? |
| 11:21:09 | msmax | ;) |
| 11:21:21 | VerxHome | hunger: That is what I intend, although my first pass is specifically targetted for 3rd edition AD&D |
| 11:21:39 | VerxHome | msmax writes applications for theKompany |
| 11:21:47 | VerxHome | he is a most prolific software author |
| 11:21:56 | hunger | VerxHome: Oh:-( |
| 11:22:00 | msmax | hunger: tkc |
| 11:22:33 | VerxHome | he is Russian and writes infinitely better English than I am likely ever going to be able to write Russian. :) |
| 11:22:35 | hunger | msmax: Too bad. Won't use your stuff then. |
| 11:22:45 | VerxHome | though he speaks English about as well as I speak Russian |
| 11:23:07 | VerxHome | hunger: Your loss. His programs are far better than anything else available for the Zaurus |
| 11:23:10 | msmax | hunger: any reason? |
| 11:23:12 | VerxHome | in my opinion anyway |
| 11:23:21 | hunger | msmax: Won't use non-free software. |
| 11:23:32 | VerxHome | msmax: He is against non-free software |
| 11:23:41 | VerxHome | many Linux people are, and for no real reason |
| 11:23:47 | hunger | VerxHome: I'm not agianst it, I just won't use it. |
| 11:23:50 | VerxHome | they just like being sticklers about it |
| 11:23:50 | VerxHome | :) |
| 11:24:06 | VerxHome | used to be that way |
| 11:24:16 | VerxHome | thekompany is one reason I am not that way anymore |
| 11:24:30 | hunger | VerxHome: I want to be able to meddle with things (even if I won't do so with 99% of the stuff I use). |
| 11:26:20 | VerxHome | goes to work |
| 11:26:23 | VerxHome | see you all later |
| 11:26:28 | hunger | Bye! |
| 11:31:26 | mrwoody | does anyone know where to get qtopia? |
| 11:31:39 | | somebody said qtopia was the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 11:31:39 | hunger | ibot: qtopia |
| 11:32:00 | mrwoody | right... |
| 11:32:27 | mrwoody | I have tried to download it from http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/downloads.shtml but doesn't work |
| 11:32:39 | mrwoody | it looks like a broken package, or something like that |
| 11:33:59 | hunger | mrwoody: I'm using Opie on OpenZaurus. I'm afraid I can't really help:-( |
| 11:34:35 | mrwoody | where can i download those? |
| 11:34:45 | | i guess OpenZaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 11:34:45 | hunger | ibot: OpenZaurus |
| 11:35:16 | mrwoody | are they accepted for the sharp challange? |
| 11:35:30 | hunger | mrwoody: I dounbt it. |
| 11:35:49 | ljp | you are probably looking for the qtopia sdk |
| 11:35:52 | hunger | mrwoody: OpenZaurus is a replacement for the shrap-ROMs, OPIE for all the trolltech stuff. |
| 11:35:57 | mrwoody | so do i need to pay for it? |
| 11:36:14 | hunger | mrwoody: Nope. Both are completly free (as in speech). |
| 11:36:31 | ljp | you can pay me for i tif you want ;) |
| 11:36:53 | mrwoody | what is that? |
| 11:37:03 | hunger | mrwoody: What? |
| 11:37:42 | mrwoody | tif ? |
| 11:37:55 | ljp | you can pay me for opie and openzaurus if you wanted too.. I now accept paypal ;) |
| 11:37:58 | hunger | mrwoody: s/i tif/it if/ |
| 11:38:50 | mrwoody | sure... |
| 11:39:03 | ljp | no realy... |
| 11:39:27 | hunger | mrwoody: Hey, pay me too;-) |
| 11:39:47 | mrwoody | sure... |
| 11:39:49 | mrwoody | what else? |
| 11:40:09 | ljp | people that pay me have first chance for having suggestions make it to opie |
| 11:40:23 | mrwoody | why not i pay you with a zaurus? |
| 11:40:23 | ljp | :D |
| 11:40:33 | mrwoody | but you have to write a software in exchange |
| 11:40:40 | ljp | cause I already have two, I do not need another |
| 11:40:53 | mrwoody | why 2? give me one then |
| 11:41:05 | ljp | ha right... |
| 11:44:51 | mrwoody | what is the different within qtopia and qt-embedded |
| 11:46:49 | ljp | they are not the same |
| 11:46:59 | ljp | you need qt/e to compile qtopia |
| 11:47:05 | VerxHome | ljp: Which two do you have? |
| 11:47:46 | mrwoody | well at the moment i don't have any of them |
| 11:47:57 | mrwoody | I have downloaded qtopia-free but doesn't work |
| 11:48:24 | mrwoody | and now i am trying qt-embedded.. but it refuses to let me downloadit |
| 11:50:13 | mrwoody | any advice? |
| 11:50:52 | mrwoody | how about arm-linux-toolchain... do i need that? |
| 11:51:13 | hunger | mrwoody: Yes. |
| 11:51:26 | hunger | mrwoody: That's what you need to generate code for the Zaurus. |
| 11:51:28 | mrwoody | what is that for? |
| 11:51:41 | mrwoody | i see... so it is the last thing i suppose |
| 11:52:02 | hunger | mrwoody: Using the normal gcc will generate code for the intel(?) CPU in the computer you develop on. |
| 11:52:16 | mrwoody | ok... |
| 11:52:27 | hunger | mrwoody: You need the toolchain to compile qt/e which you need to build qtopia. |
| 11:53:05 | mrwoody | ok.. now it is more clear... but why is that? |
| 11:53:48 | hunger | mrwoody: qt/e is a library that is used by qtopia. |
| 11:54:31 | mrwoody | i see... but can't i build everything on the pc, without using toolchain? |
| 11:54:40 | hunger | mrwoody: You can. |
| 11:55:03 | hunger | mrwoody: But then you get something that you can run on the PC but not on the Zaurus. |
| 11:55:11 | johnix | hi |
| 11:55:17 | mrwoody | and then after that, when the software is ready ccompile it with toolchain? |
| 11:55:18 | hunger | johnix: Hi! |
| 11:55:28 | hunger | mrwoody: Sure, you can do that. |
| 11:55:48 | mrwoody | hunger: actually i don't even have a zaurus... |
| 11:55:52 | johnix | I was wondering if anybody's ever plugged an external keyboard in the Zaurus. |
| 11:55:59 | hunger | mrwoody: But be aware that there will be problems crosscompiling a app that worked fine on the native compiler. |
| 11:56:38 | mrwoody | so basically you are saying that it is not possible to write software with a pc, without testing it with a zaurus? |
| 11:56:47 | mrwoody | isn't it possible to test it with qpe? |
| 11:56:49 | hunger | mrwoody: The cross-toolchain tends to be older then the gcc from new distributions. |
| 11:57:09 | hunger | mrwoody: And even if the versions match, you might run into problems. |
| 11:57:29 | mrwoody | what is the difference within qt-embedded-2.3.2 and qt-embedded-3? |
| 11:57:35 | hunger | mrwoody: Writting software that is not tested on the target platform is bad IMHO. |
| 11:57:49 | mrwoody | hunger: so you are suggesting to give up? |
| 11:57:57 | hunger | mrwoody: No. |
| 11:58:05 | hunger | mrwoody: Just get someone to test it for you. |
| 11:58:21 | hunger | mrwoody: And be prepared for some annoyances:-) |
| 11:58:37 | mrwoody | ok... but before that, when i am writing it, how can i test it? |
| 11:58:44 | hunger | mrwoody: It definitly can be done. |
| 11:59:14 | mrwoody | ok how about the difference within qt-embedded-2.3.2 and qt-embedded-3? |
| 11:59:35 | hunger | mrwoody: Sorry, I do develop software for the Z, but I don't use qt/e and qtopia. |
| 12:00:16 | djk | I have a Rex and would like to migrate the data from it to the Zaurus anybody have a script to migrate tab delimited files? |
| 12:02:41 | hunger | djk: sorry, can't help with that. |
| 12:03:08 | hunger | djk: There is a script to migrate stuff from evolution to the Z, maybe that could be adapted? |
| 12:06:43 | djk | hunger: where is that script I am will to hack something to work at least it would not be re-inventing the wheel |
| 12:07:04 | hunger | djk: Somewhere on SF... let me check. |
| 12:08:47 | hunger | djk: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zaurus |
| 12:09:04 | hunger | djk: It is called evolution-sync.pl |
| 12:09:20 | hunger | djk: It is only rudimentary from what I heared. |
| 12:11:57 | George- | hi johnix |
| 12:13:51 | johnix | hi George- |
| 12:18:30 | johnix | does anybody know where I can find pics of the Zaurus cradle connector? |
| 12:19:38 | djk | hunger: thanks I will look into it |
| 12:20:13 | djk | johniz: pictures or schematic of pins? |
| 12:22:06 | johnix | djk: well, both |
| 12:22:37 | johnix | I need to know how easy it would be to hack my own cradle-like interface. |
| 12:24:10 | hunger | johnix: You can connect the power cable without going through the craddle. |
| 12:24:29 | hunger | johnix: Get a network card and you will never want to touch the cradle anymore. |
| 12:25:06 | djk | johnix: I recall there being discussion about this in the developer.sharpsec.com forums it may also be in zauruszone.com forums |
| 12:25:58 | johnix | hunger: no, I want to use the Zaurus's RS232 interface |
| 12:26:25 | George- | is it possible to hack the Z's cradle interface to give one USB port? |
| 12:26:32 | hunger | johnix: There is a cable for that (although that sucks as the connector is so thick that it blocks the keyboard). |
| 12:26:38 | George- | (to which I can attach a keyboard, mouse etc)? |
| 12:27:07 | djk | hunger: I agree on the network card solution accept if you are using the qtopia desktop to sync with it will only work on a 192.168 network. Somewhere Sharp or Troll Tech coded it so you cannot use other networks or at least not a 10 network |
| 12:27:29 | hunger | djk: OPIE does not have that limitation. |
| 12:27:29 | johnix | George-: yes, a Kbd, exactly. |
| 12:28:12 | hunger | djk: And the sync used to work for all interfaces with the ROM that came with my Zaurus. |
| 12:28:24 | djk | hunger: interesting so that would indicate that Sharp is problem not TT |
| 12:28:29 | hunger | djk: That's a security nightmare, so maybe it was fixed in the meantime. |
| 12:28:35 | George- | johnix: Well, that socket has USB capabilities |
| 12:28:46 | George- | johnix: and the Zaurus recognises it as a USB system |
| 12:28:49 | George- | by the looks of it |
| 12:29:13 | djk | hunger: I hope a temporary fix while they implement ssh for syncing |
| 12:29:28 | djk | and passwords and user accounts of course |
| 12:29:40 | hunger | djk: Get OPIE. That's binary compatible with qtopia and just better. |
| 12:30:02 | djk | OPIE verse OZ? |
| 12:30:20 | hunger | OPIE is the free branch of qtopia. |
| 12:30:48 | hunger | djk: It was branched since TT took too long to long to react to requests from what I heared. |
| 12:31:00 | djk | OPIE desktop? |
| 12:31:14 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 12:31:14 | hunger | ibot opie |
| 12:31:36 | johnix | George-: it has USB, but it is also supposed to have RS232 capabilities |
| 12:31:44 | George- | johnix: it does |
| 12:31:49 | George- | johnix: there's a serial cable |
| 12:32:05 | johnix | well, I want to plug my keyboard into that serial cable. |
| 12:32:20 | George- | johnix: But I'm waiting for a cradle, that has 1 USB port, 1 RS-232 port, and allows you to open the keyboard |
| 12:32:34 | djk | hunger: I can agree with the comments on TT being slow |
| 12:33:33 | benmeyer | Who do you think is slower, TT or Sharp? |
| 12:33:36 | johnix | George-: well, I just bought a bery slim keyboard. I really don't want to take a useless bulky cradle with me. |
| 12:33:39 | hunger | djk: I use OPIE. It is a touch nicer then qtopia in all aspects... never much, but allways a bit. |
| 12:34:12 | ljp_ | never much? thats blastfamy! ;) |
| 12:34:19 | SmBJ_ | haha |
| 12:34:40 | SmBJ_ | hunger: you're insulting ljp ;) |
| 12:34:49 | hunger | ljp: In fact I consider what I just said to be a huge compliment;-) |
| 12:35:10 | ljp_ | its much better than sharps qtopia :D |
| 12:35:43 | hunger | ljp: Yes, all those small bits add up:-) |
| 12:35:46 | ljp_ | you cant even customize backgrounds on the sharp one |
| 12:36:08 | ljp_ | I kow.. I'm just joking around anyway |
| 12:38:21 | Xentac | is back (gone 07:48:02) |
| 12:39:15 | George- | Opie rulez! Qtopia suckz! |
| 12:39:19 | George- | </holy war> |
| 12:39:32 | SmBJ_ | jihad, eh? ;) |
| 12:39:51 | George- | yep |
| 12:40:01 | hunger | points at SmBJ_ and shouts "terrorist, terrisist" :-) |
| 12:40:01 | nadav | scareh |
| 12:40:19 | nadav | i'm no "terrisist" ;) |
| 12:40:39 | hunger | : Too many fingers on keyboard error. |
| 12:41:20 | nadav | ah, seems compusa is finially done "re-stocking" their website |
| 12:42:17 | ljp_ | wonders if restocking a webite's shelves involves teenagers working very late/early at night |
| 12:42:47 | nadav | hehe |
| 12:44:34 | George- | has some dude managed to upgrade his 5000D to 64MB? |
| 12:44:52 | nadav | Sure, by selling it and buying a 5500 :) |
| 12:44:55 | nadav | Nah, i don't know |
| 12:45:01 | nadav | heard something about it as well |
| 12:45:35 | johnix | Does anybody have an opinion on the G-Mate? |
| 12:46:19 | nadav | fs, can't even find a USB hub on compusa |
| 12:48:13 | George- | johnix: yeh, it's crap from what I've heard |
| 12:49:31 | johnix | well, that comforts me. I won't have to choose |
| 12:52:43 | djk | George-: some people hinted that they were willing to use a soldering iron but I never heard anybody actually doing |
| 12:53:25 | nadav | George-: maybe the person who supposedly upgraded his 5000D is the same person that returned a 5000D in a 5500 box ;) |
| 12:55:51 | nemui-chan | Hey guys. |
| 12:55:56 | ljp_ | hi |
| 12:56:11 | nemui-chan | Is there an alternative to qtreader for books? |
| 12:57:24 | ljp_ | what kinda of book.. there gutenbrowser for gutenberg etexts |
| 12:59:09 | nemui-chan | For standard txt files really. Most ebooks I have are .txt or are .rtf's (sitting on my hard drive waiting to be converred to text ;) |
| 13:00:10 | ljp_ | gutenbrowser does text files, but no other formats |
| 13:00:31 | George- | nadav: what? :) |
| 13:00:35 | ljp_ | its more specific to gutenberg stuff as you can search and download from their servers |
| 13:00:36 | George- | nadav: did someone do that?!?! |
| 13:00:49 | nemui-chan | Ok, I'll try and download that one then. |
| 13:01:15 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos updated |
| 13:02:34 | nadav | George-: yep |
| 13:02:47 | nadav | George-: some guy came on here after buying a Z at bestbuy (i think?) |
| 13:02:56 | nadav | it was a normal SL-5500 box.. |
| 13:03:05 | nadav | but there was a 5000D inside |
| 13:03:32 | benmeyer | ? |
| 13:03:35 | benmeyer | I doubt that |
| 13:03:44 | nadav | well, i haven't actually seen the guy |
| 13:03:46 | nadav | but i heard the story |
| 13:04:06 | johnix | (or so he claims, and then he returned the box and actually got a 5500 ?) |
| 13:04:13 | nadav | they said that Z was returned some time earlier |
| 13:04:18 | nadav | for "not running windows CE" |
| 13:04:19 | nadav | i dunno. |
| 13:04:26 | George- | LOL |
| 13:04:45 | johnix | so funny |
| 13:04:58 | johnix | but it's all urban legends |
| 13:05:06 | johnix | hard to tell whether it's true |
| 13:05:09 | nadav | The guess is that someone bought a Z, put his 5000D in and returned it ;) |
| 13:07:13 | George- | well |
| 13:07:21 | George- | I'm waiting for some dude to rip apart a 5000D |
| 13:07:23 | George- | and a 5500 |
| 13:07:29 | George- | and say what the differences are inside |
| 13:07:45 | nadav | heh |
| 13:07:50 | ljp_ | not much really |
| 13:08:10 | George- | i presume there's just one more memory chip stacked on top of the current one |
| 13:08:17 | George- | and a firmware update? |
| 13:08:20 | ljp_ | no stack |
| 13:08:25 | johnix | at least it's unlikely we'll see much memory chip soldeing in those devices |
| 13:08:29 | ljp_ | just different memory chips |
| 13:08:37 | johnix | since they have expansion ports. |
| 13:09:01 | ljp_ | expansions ports.. right |
| 13:09:23 | johnix | ljp_: there has to be some slight differences that prompt for the need of different official ROM images. |
| 13:09:37 | ljp_ | ya.. ram chips |
| 13:09:44 | George- | johnix: You *can* burn a 5500 rom onto a 5000D |
| 13:09:50 | George- | johnix: it just renders it useless, heh |
| 13:09:50 | johnix | ljp_: is that skepticism? |
| 13:10:04 | George- | wonders if he can glue two 5000Ds together, and have a 5500 :) |
| 13:10:05 | johnix | George-: well, that's my point. |
| 13:10:14 | George- | johnix: no |
| 13:10:18 | George- | johnix: it just won't boot |
| 13:10:26 | George- | johnix: Another reflash and you're ok |
| 13:10:28 | George- | johnix: afaik |
| 13:10:37 | ljp_ | no.. thats from experience and knowledge about the innards of the Z's |
| 13:11:26 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 13:11:27 | ljp_ | the diference in roms is memory o\config in the kernel and 5500 comes with hancom |
| 13:11:33 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 13:11:36 | johnix | George-: well... that's still my point. The 5500 image doesn't run on the 5000D, so there has to be some slight hw or firmware difference that makes them incompatible. |
| 13:11:37 | W|GGL|T | damn...musta got booted |
| 13:11:44 | ljp_ | RAM |
| 13:11:58 | ljp_ | the kernel memory config is the difference |
| 13:12:14 | George- | Compaq iPAQ 31/36/3700 Series 256MB Stacked Internal RAM Upgrade - $499.00 |
| 13:12:15 | George- | hmm |
| 13:12:25 | johnix | hancom office is non-free, isn't it? |
| 13:12:27 | George- | johnix: no, the kernel just won't boot |
| 13:12:30 | George- | johnix: that's all |
| 13:12:40 | George- | johnix: free to owners of SL5000D, 5500 |
| 13:12:57 | johnix | non-libre, I meant |
| 13:13:28 | ljp_ | its from a commercial vendor if thats what you mean |
| 13:13:52 | George- | http://www.pocketpctechs.com/ |
| 13:14:50 | ljp_ | if you did manage to find more space and stack more ram in their,. you'd need to recompile the kernel for the new memory config |
| 13:16:06 | johnix | does the battery drain noticably faster when you plug a big CF or SD card in the Zaurus? |
| 13:16:44 | ljp_ | dont know.. I'm sure it would.. but maybe not noticable, except for microdrives |
| 13:17:01 | hunger | johnix: From what I read that depends heavily on the card you use. |
| 13:17:28 | hunger | johnix: Some drain the battery even when not written to/read from, others don't. |
| 13:17:48 | JasonNJ-home | morning |
| 13:18:10 | nadav | mornin' jason |
| 13:18:18 | johnix | JasonNJ-home: hello |
| 13:18:49 | johnix | JasonNJ-home: are you the guy who signs his mail with "Jason - Inertia"? |
| 13:18:57 | JasonNJ-home | nope. |
| 13:19:07 | johnix | nevermind, then |
| 13:19:10 | nadav | he's a sharp dude |
| 13:19:38 | johnix | Ok |
| 13:19:42 | George- | johnix: no, that's "Inertia" |
| 13:19:48 | George- | johnix: He doesn't come on IRC too much |
| 13:19:51 | JasonNJ-home | hangin out today at home though. My dad is having heart surgery today. |
| 13:20:00 | ljp_ | he signs his email with 'Jason - I'm da man' ;) |
| 13:20:05 | George- | lol |
| 13:20:09 | nadav | JasonNJ: oh :/ |
| 13:20:25 | johnix | George-: I suddently felt the whole S5 ML crowd had switched over to Zaurus;° |
| 13:20:49 | JasonNJ-home | wont be having surgery till 4pm though. I originally thought it was going to be in the morning but they changed it last minute |
| 13:20:54 | JasonNJ-home | I need a day off though. |
| 13:20:54 | johnix | George-: next thing you knew, AC was coming over announcing kernel patches...;) |
| 13:21:39 | johnix | JasonNJ-home: Well, I can only wish you luck then. |
| 13:21:54 | George- | johnix: lol |
| 13:22:03 | George- | http://www.samintl.com/mem/n10216.htm <-- Looks interesting |
| 13:24:29 | BigBoss | hey Sniper |
| 13:24:54 | Sniper | hi |
| 13:25:27 | ljp_ | ugliness on the tkc ml... ;) |
| 13:26:52 | George- | hi Sniper |
| 13:26:56 | George- | hey BigBoss |
| 13:27:18 | George- | Sniper: uhm do you know of anyone that's upgraded the 5000D's memory? |
| 13:27:20 | BigBoss | hey george |
| 13:27:29 | BigBoss | ljp: you dissing me? |
| 13:27:46 | ljp_ | no.. I'm saying it just looks ugly.. some people are never happy |
| 13:27:59 | BigBoss | what looks ugly? |
| 13:28:30 | Sniper | no |
| 13:28:35 | Sniper | i dont think thats possible george |
| 13:28:45 | ljp_ | someone just wasnt very happy.. and sent empty replies to a bunch of mail |
| 13:28:46 | George- | Sniper: hmm, surely a bit of soldering...? |
| 13:29:05 | George- | Sniper: I mean, some company managed to upgrade the iPaq 3630 -> 256MB |
| 13:29:14 | George- | costs $500, though |
| 13:29:27 | ljp_ | hahaha thats stupid |
| 13:29:33 | George- | yeh |
| 13:29:37 | George- | I'd rather get a laptop |
| 13:29:41 | George- | with 256MB :) |
| 13:29:44 | nadav | lol |
| 13:30:10 | George- | $400 for the iPaq |
| 13:30:13 | ljp_ | now.. it would be cool if there was a way to overclock the cpu... ;) |
| 13:30:16 | George- | $500 for the mem... |
| 13:30:23 | JasonNJ-home | George: they cant be upgraded. |
| 13:30:29 | George- | ljp_: heh, and it literally burns a hole in your pocket :) |
| 13:30:36 | George- | JasonNJ-home: hmm, why not? |
| 13:30:38 | JasonNJ-home | the chip layout is different than the 5500 |
| 13:30:58 | George- | I never said make it the same as the 5500 |
| 13:31:38 | George- | there's this "stacked memory" method |
| 13:31:45 | CmdrChalupa | anyone know where the linuxrc is located on a zaurus? |
| 13:31:49 | George- | where you can actually stack the memory chips on top of each other? |
| 13:32:08 | JasonNJ-home | I understand... but board takes a specific kind of chip, which is an older style that is not used in the newer models, of which we already use the maximum chip size in terms of density |
| 13:32:21 | George- | yes |
| 13:32:23 | | i guess contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 13:32:23 | darienm | ibot contest |
| 13:32:28 | George- | but you can put more than one chip in? |
| 13:32:36 | BigBoss | ljp: on that chick is a total moron |
| 13:32:39 | JasonNJ-home | it already is fully populated |
| 13:32:55 | BigBoss | you know when someone starts yelling "I'm not stupid" when you haven't accussed them of being stupid - is in fact stupid |
| 13:33:03 | BigBoss | I forwarded all her mails back to herself |
| 13:33:04 | ljp_ | BB: ha! I hat edealing with upset people |
| 13:33:06 | JasonNJ-home | believe me, I tried to hack a few 5000's myself |
| 13:33:25 | JasonNJ-home | its probably easier to do with a 5500 |
| 13:33:32 | JasonNJ-home | make into 128 |
| 13:33:34 | BigBoss | wel she bitches about the thread on how to unsubscribe, and then starts complaining because she wants to be unsubscribed |
| 13:33:40 | BigBoss | freaking open your eyes and read |
| 13:33:50 | JasonNJ-home | since the memory chips we use in it are still avalaible and have higher densities now |
| 13:33:52 | BigBoss | and then all those messages she sent to the list just came right back to her anyway |
| 13:33:58 | BigBoss | I mean this chick was really dumb |
| 13:34:22 | ljp_ | hehehehehe |
| 13:34:24 | JasonNJ-home | of course, if you decide to crack your 5500 open and attempt it, you are on yoru own! |
| 13:34:40 | George- | hmm |
| 13:34:49 | George- | that java contest looks *exactly* the same as the trolltech one |
| 13:35:15 | George- | JasonNJ-home: lol, can I purchase bomb-proof warranty for my 5000D? :) |
| 13:35:15 | ljp_ | hmm could be because its sponsored by SHarp, no? |
| 13:35:22 | JasonNJ-home | yeah, but trolltech isnt running it and the judges are different |
| 13:35:43 | ljp_ | ahh so the deadlines will actually be met, eh? |
| 13:35:46 | JasonNJ-home | thank god I dont have to judge this one |
| 13:35:58 | George- | JasonNJ-home: did you have to judge the last one? |
| 13:36:04 | JasonNJ-home | yes. |
| 13:36:10 | George- | lol |
| 13:36:14 | George- | did you judge my app? :)) |
| 13:36:21 | johnix | George-: I don't really see the point in stacking up more memory chips. |
| 13:36:24 | JasonNJ-home | I had to judge all of them |
| 13:36:25 | George- | (my, really crap app) |
| 13:36:44 | JasonNJ-home | there were 3 judges |
| 13:36:49 | George- | JasonNJ-home: hmm, all 4.90385363906853x10^140 of em? |
| 13:36:55 | JasonNJ-home | myself, warwick and jerry epplin from linuxdevices |
| 13:37:05 | johnix | George-: why not just go for a bigger CF/SD/MMC card? |
| 13:37:20 | George- | johnix: because, I want RAM dammit! :) |
| 13:37:31 | George- | johnix: I already have a hacked ROM that gives me 32MB RAM |
| 13:37:37 | George- | cos I have a 128MB SD and a 160MB CF |
| 13:37:38 | George- | lol |
| 13:37:41 | George- | I'm a memory addict |
| 13:37:48 | hunger | George-: I have 40MB RAM :-) |
| 13:37:53 | johnix | rotfl |
| 13:38:06 | George- | hunger: screw you :) |
| 13:38:06 | hunger | George-: I even had the whole 64MB of RAM for a while. |
| 13:38:11 | George- | grrr |
| 13:38:17 | ljp_ | its a pda, not a desktop |
| 13:38:26 | johnix | George-: I read somewhere that you can put a swap disk on the SD |
| 13:38:28 | | CmdrChalupa: i'm not following you... |
| 13:38:28 | CmdrChalupa | ibot linuxrc |
| 13:38:35 | George- | johnix: great, and trash my SD? |
| 13:38:37 | George- | johnix: no thanks |
| 13:38:44 | George- | heh |
| 13:38:48 | George- | If I had a microdrive... |
| 13:38:52 | George- | that'd be a different story :))) |
| 13:39:03 | George- | I'd give myself 1GB Swap |
| 13:39:05 | George- | lmao |
| 13:39:06 | johnix | George-: now, the post did the calculations for 100 000 r/w cycles |
| 13:39:25 | George- | what post? |
| 13:39:51 | johnix | and said that's a minimum, ad concluded you'll have your first defect sector in about 2 years of burn-in-test-like usage |
| 13:40:15 | johnix | without even taking wear repartition |
| 13:40:29 | George- | what? |
| 13:40:48 | johnix | it may have been in the ZaurusZone FAQs |
| 13:41:14 | johnix | I'm actually having my girlfriend buy a SD card for me for that purpose. |
| 13:41:15 | George- | http://www.pocketpctechs.com/ppcstacked.htm |
| 13:41:26 | George- | Is that possible on a Z; that's what I was talking about |
| 13:41:33 | ljp_ | try it |
| 13:41:37 | George- | johnix: lol, ur gf is gonna be broke soon :) |
| 13:41:48 | johnix | ;) |
| 13:41:55 | johnix | she's getting paid |
| 13:42:06 | johnix | for her work. |
| 13:42:19 | CmdrChalupa | what script on the zaurus untars those three tarballs in /root at startup? |
| 13:42:29 | johnix | and it's much less expansive in Japan than in China. |
| 13:42:53 | George- | CmdrChalupa: the full reset init script |
| 13:43:00 | George- | CmdrChalupa: I think |
| 13:43:43 | johnix | George-/ well, consider it, it would solve your lack-of-RAM problem. |
| 13:44:30 | | i guess faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 13:44:30 | George- | ibot faq? |
| 13:44:51 | darienm | Sniper: still taking entries for the challenge? |
| 13:45:24 | George- | http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html <-- tells you what chips the Z uses, and what densities they're avail in |
| 13:46:13 | | hunger: no idea |
| 13:46:13 | hunger | ibot faq is also http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html <-- tells you what chips the Z uses, and what densities they're avail in |
| 13:46:40 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:46:50 | | okay, George-. |
| 13:46:50 | George- | ibot faq is also http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 13:46:53 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 13:46:53 | George- | ibot faq? |
| 13:47:18 | hunger | wonders why it worked for George- and not for me. |
| 13:47:28 | George- | cos I'm 31337 :) |
| 13:47:43 | hunger | George-: You are that old? |
| 13:47:49 | George- | emails pocketpctechs regarding memory updates |
| 13:47:50 | nadav | haha |
| 13:47:51 | George- | hunger: yes |
| 13:48:36 | ljp_ | heh, well for $500 you could buy another 5500 |
| 13:48:51 | BigBoss | for $330 you can get another one |
| 13:49:07 | JasonNJ-home | George: remember if you solder those chips in, assuming the controller will recognize them, you are going to have to recompile your kernel |
| 13:49:08 | ljp_ | and if you are that concerned about ram, maybe you need a laptop instead |
| 13:49:12 | hunger | ljp: But another Z will only give you 64MB more... |
| 13:49:23 | nadav | ljp: he does have a laptop |
| 13:49:26 | prpplague | BigBoss: if you can find any, office depot and bestbuy are sold out all over texas |
| 13:49:52 | hunger | ljp: You'd need to buy 4 Z's to get the 256MB. That's not cheaper anymore. |
| 13:50:27 | ljp_ | I still say, if you are that concerned about ram.. look for a device thats not a pda |
| 13:51:01 | George- | lol |
| 13:51:02 | hunger | ljp: All my computers at home have >= 512MB... exept for the meager 64MB in the Z. |
| 13:51:12 | George- | my laptop has 512MB |
| 13:51:15 | nadav | heh |
| 13:51:23 | nadav | my new computer will have 1.5gb |
| 13:51:24 | George- | my *other* laptop has 320MB |
| 13:51:25 | nadav | mwahah |
| 13:51:29 | nadav | lol |
| 13:51:31 | ljp_ | uh huh.. and what apps do you run that actually require that amount of ram? video rendering? |
| 13:51:34 | George- | my laptop *will* have 1GB |
| 13:51:37 | George- | lol |
| 13:51:41 | treke|home | its a fricken pda. palms still come with 16mb |
| 13:51:45 | hunger | ljp: gdb:-) |
| 13:51:48 | George- | my powerbook does video rendering :) |
| 13:51:52 | nadav | heh |
| 13:52:17 | JasonNJ-home | cut me a frickin break here. ") |
| 13:52:17 | ljp_ | and what movies/commercials have you produced lately? |
| 13:52:26 | George- | none =P |
| 13:52:29 | nadav | heh |
| 13:52:37 | JasonNJ-home | throw me a frickin bone |
| 13:52:45 | George- | chucks JasonNJ a bone |
| 13:52:48 | ljp_ | and have you ever actually ever used that much ram? |
| 13:52:50 | nadav | throws JasonNJ a bone |
| 13:52:50 | George- | chew, you DAWG! |
| 13:52:52 | George- | :) |
| 13:52:56 | JasonNJ-home | lol I totally want to see the new Austin Powers |
| 13:52:59 | George- | ljp_: yes |
| 13:53:12 | JasonNJ-home | even though, the likelyhood of it sucking is high |
| 13:53:18 | George- | ljp_: when doing 16 hour compile sessions, that RAM goes pretty quickly |
| 13:53:26 | hunger | ljp: I have 1GB of swap and yes, parts of it keep getting used. |
| 13:53:26 | nadav | I'm sure i could use up 1.5gb of ram |
| 13:53:36 | nadav | run a few vmware sessions |
| 13:53:37 | nadav | etc |
| 13:53:39 | George- | lol |
| 13:53:40 | ljp_ | uh huh right... |
| 13:53:41 | CmdrChalupa | George: where is the full reset init scritp? |
| 13:53:41 | George- | yeh |
| 13:53:48 | George- | CmdrChalupa: I haven't a clue |
| 13:53:57 | treke|home | nadav: yeah, 512 starts getting tight with vmware :) |
| 13:54:00 | CmdrChalupa | kay |
| 13:54:03 | George- | ljp_: plus I run Virtual PC under Mac OS X |
| 13:54:09 | George- | OS X takes about 160MB RAM on it's own |
| 13:54:19 | George- | Virtual PC about another 256MB |
| 13:54:38 | johnix | I know how I can use that much RAM. Copy my HD into Ramdisk. |
| 13:54:39 | George- | (per session) |
| 13:54:44 | George- | johnix: LOL |
| 13:54:47 | nadav | haha |
| 13:54:53 | johnix | But then I wouldn't have any use for the HD :( |
| 13:55:01 | George- | well, I suppose 32MB is larger than my Psion 5mx =P |
| 13:55:29 | johnix | That's just plain laughable |
| 13:55:30 | nadav | is going to get a 120gb w/8mb of cache and a 40gb 7200rpm for his soon-to-come computer |
| 13:55:51 | George- | nadav: damn you! |
| 13:56:01 | nadav | well actually |
| 13:56:02 | George- | nadav: my family's desktop only has 117GB |
| 13:56:09 | George- | nadav: and 128MB ram |
| 13:56:10 | George- | lol |
| 13:56:12 | nadav | i might go for a 60gb for that second hard drive |
| 13:56:14 | johnix | When my next killer app dares asking for 256MB RAM, I'll just dpkg --purge her, maybe downgrade my computer, and go back to learning Emacs. |
| 13:56:33 | johnix | Emacs runs fine on a 486 granted you have enough HD. |
| 13:56:34 | nadav | George-: i'll also be getting an audigy platinum and a geforce4 of course |
| 13:56:45 | George- | grrrr |
| 13:56:51 | johnix | A 100 or 200MB HD should do. |
| 13:56:53 | George- | I want one of those ATI Radeon 9500 :))))) |
| 13:56:55 | treke|home | is lucky, most apps I use run fine on a 300mhz p2 with 64MB ram |
| 13:56:58 | nadav | heh |
| 13:56:59 | George- | or is it the 9700? |
| 13:57:05 | George- | The 9700 kicks ass |
| 13:57:07 | nadav | 9500 i *think* |
| 13:57:22 | nadav | prefers a gf4 |
| 13:57:28 | George- | why? |
| 13:57:32 | nadav | 128mb, should be plenty |
| 13:57:35 | nadav | i have no clue, i just do |
| 13:57:42 | treke|home | gf4s run better in LInux :) |
| 13:57:45 | nadav | ok, i gotta go |
| 13:57:51 | George- | gets a 5GB SGI serious industrial gfx card with lots of 3D accel :))) |
| 13:57:55 | nadav | i'll continue bragging about my next configuration when i come back |
| 13:58:04 | George- | bye |
| 13:58:12 | johnix | Damn you all, you desperate hardware-addicts. Your just ruin the planet in your greed for more useless gigabytes. |
| 13:58:21 | George- | johnix: hehe |
| 13:59:15 | johnix | I feel like I'm almost cheating my ecologist nature when using a 550MHz CPU or wanting to buy a PDA. But you really freak me out. |
| 14:00:02 | George- | Mem: 312008 306976 5032 0 9240 39380 |
| 14:00:10 | johnix | long compilations are a mild excuse. But then you run them over the week-end no matter how much RAM you have. |
| 14:00:54 | George- | Attack of the Ecologists! j/k |
| 14:00:58 | George- | :) |
| 14:01:06 | hunger | johnix: I need a faster CPU:-) |
| 14:01:23 | George- | I need a new brain! |
| 14:01:24 | hunger | johnix: I spend most of my days waiting for the compiler to finish... |
| 14:01:34 | George- | yeh, so do i |
| 14:01:36 | johnix | Don't you remember when we had so much fun on those 1MHz 128Ko RAM systems? |
| 14:01:51 | hunger | johnix: I can do only one run overnight, all the rest has to happen while I'm here:-( |
| 14:02:00 | hunger | johnix: Yes! |
| 14:02:11 | George- | and they were more environmentally unfriendly than these things nowadays, probably |
| 14:02:12 | johnix | hunger: I never do that. I just switch to another task |
| 14:02:20 | hunger | johnix: But then those system did not need to chew through 60MB of code just to get a compiler. |
| 14:02:24 | George- | hunger: don't you use scripts to compile more than 1 over night? |
| 14:02:46 | hunger | johnix: So do I... but I ran out of tasks yesterday. |
| 14:03:07 | hunger | George-: The problem is that it won't go through. So I have to adjust something. |
| 14:03:09 | johnix | environmental friendlyness: that's only partly true. They used less power and were probably less dangerous to produce |
| 14:03:44 | George- | johnix: They need to create computer disposal plants =P |
| 14:03:58 | hunger | George-: If this was only my code! Then I'd need much less recompiles. But I am trying to build a crosscompiling toolchain and am developing a deep hjatred for gcc and glibc. |
| 14:03:58 | George- | to dispose of 'em *safely* |
| 14:04:44 | johnix | I used the word "ecologist" but actually, I'm not just worried about the environment. Also about our minds. The need for more <whatever> never ceases, even when we've doubled how much we get every 6 months over the last 20 years... |
| 14:04:59 | ljp_ | hunger: its much easier to use the already built binaries ;) |
| 14:05:24 | hunger | ljp: ...which are gcc 2.95.2 based while I need an ANSI C++ compiler. |
| 14:06:03 | ljp_ | whay's that? |
| 14:06:08 | hunger | ljp: I figured it would be easier to build a new crosscompiler then to go over all the C++ code I have. I'm really starting to think Iam wrong:-( |
| 14:06:24 | johnix | George-: if you throw away/buy a new HD or PC every 18 months, that's a hell of a lot more environment-unfriendly than sticking with a 10-year polluting computer |
| 14:06:47 | George- | johnix: I don't throw away my computers |
| 14:06:54 | George- | johnix: I upgrade |
| 14:06:58 | George- | johnix: and when they're dead |
| 14:07:00 | prpplague | ljp_: you heard last night that i got a response from tim about no code for the x ipkg right? |
| 14:07:07 | George- | johnix: I give 'em to ppl that *need* them |
| 14:07:13 | George- | has never thrown away a computer |
| 14:07:31 | johnix | safe disposal is a joke. I's just like a patch on windows: it feels good, but the problem is still getting bigger and bigger. |
| 14:07:34 | hunger | George-: To the horror of my girlfriend: Neither have I :-) |
| 14:07:43 | ljp_ | prp: ya.. I emailed fastolfe about it.. its on a drive in a box in france.. |
| 14:08:00 | johnix | George-: good point for you |
| 14:08:41 | ljp_ | prp: waiting for a response |
| 14:08:44 | George- | argh, stopbeing such an environmentalist :) |
| 14:08:46 | prpplague | ljp_: cool, any hope of getting it? |
| 14:09:04 | ljp_ | yes, Fastolfe just needs to get another box together |
| 14:10:09 | johnix | but the urge for more <whatever> is still there. |
| 14:10:13 | prpplague | ljp_: great, thanks for the effort |
| 14:10:25 | [George-] | damn |
| 14:10:27 | [George-] | I was d/c |
| 14:10:33 | treke|home | considers it his duty to ensure humans eventual extinction |
| 14:10:33 | | CmdrChalupa: i'm not following you... |
| 14:10:33 | CmdrChalupa | ibot bootflag.txt |
| 14:10:37 | | CmdrChalupa: huh? |
| 14:10:37 | CmdrChalupa | ibot bootflag |
| 14:10:49 | prpplague | ljp_: i'll owe you a cheese burger and a beer if you get that code |
| 14:10:51 | treke|home | to make give other species their 15 million years of fame |
| 14:10:59 | ljp_ | sue.. its actually more that we need fastolfes knowledge |
| 14:11:40 | prpplague | ljp_: true.... |
| 14:11:51 | johnix | prpplague: Well, let me suggest that you stard with yourself. |
| 14:12:15 | johnix | prpplague: counting your descendance, that ought to make a hell of a crowd. |
| 14:14:30 | prpplague | johnix: yep, thats why i usually don't tell ppl anymore |
| 14:15:00 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: echo BLAH > bootflag.txt |
| 14:15:03 | kergoth | morninga ll |
| 14:15:08 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 14:15:28 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 14:15:30 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 14:15:43 | ljp_ | is BLAH an actual runlevel now? ;) |
| 14:15:43 | prpplague | johnix: i assume you are refering to my conversation last night jmhodges.... |
| 14:16:06 | johnix | prpplague: I wasn't there last night |
| 14:16:20 | prpplague | kergoth: its goes, made a little progress last night, but got side tracked by watching "office space" |
| 14:16:46 | prpplague | johnix: ahh, ok then i must have mis-understood what you were refering to |
| 14:17:21 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: sorry for being such a pain, but do you have any idea where the script that untars the .home_default.tar.gz and others is located? |
| 14:17:23 | johnix | prpplague: nevermind, then |
| 14:21:42 | warmi | hi |
| 14:21:50 | ljp_ | hello |
| 14:21:56 | Sniper | hi |
| 14:22:25 | ljp_ | my cat is sure good at coming up with an app for that new contest ;) |
| 14:22:27 | warmi | Sniper: you are early today |
| 14:22:29 | warmi | heh |
| 14:22:39 | warmi | ljp:hahaha |
| 14:22:41 | Sniper | early? |
| 14:23:05 | warmi | Sniper: yeah, usualy you come here later in the day |
| 14:23:29 | Sniper | oh.. i do? wow.. i never knew that |
| 14:23:35 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: grep is your friend. |
| 14:25:05 | warmi | Sniper: btw .. this Sharp challenge seem to be going very well |
| 14:25:39 | ljp_ | I still want to see any/all of the apps that were in the TT contest |
| 14:25:46 | prpplague | BZFlag: morning |
| 14:25:52 | benmeyer | Why would someone want to do ppp over usb? |
| 14:26:26 | kergoth | benmeyer: we used to use it before usb networking was functional. |
| 14:26:29 | kergoth | hey BZFlag |
| 14:26:41 | warmi | ljp_: some of the authors got pissed either after they did not qualified for the beta prizes or even after the final judgement |
| 14:26:49 | benmeyer | if usb wasn't functional.... how could ppp over usb work? |
| 14:27:05 | kergoth | benmeyer: reread what i wrote. |
| 14:27:14 | kergoth | benmeyer: i said usb NETWORKING wasnt functional |
| 14:27:20 | warmi | there seems to be quite a few apps with www pages that haven't been updated since the beta results were annoced |
| 14:27:22 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 14:27:23 | benmeyer | ah |
| 14:28:22 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: yeah, doing that....attempting a recursive grep ;) |
| 14:29:27 | | warmi: huh? |
| 14:29:27 | warmi | ibot java contest |
| 14:29:40 | | well, contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 14:29:40 | ljp_ | ibot: contest |
| 14:30:15 | warmi | ljp: that's what I get for trying to be too fancy with ibot |
| 14:30:48 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 14:31:46 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 14:32:06 | tux_mike | is it possible to make a serial keyboard driver for the Z? |
| 14:32:27 | tux_mike | ... wait... i wonder if serial joysticks will work |
| 14:32:46 | warmi | a joystick ?! |
| 14:33:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:33:03 | tux_mike | yah |
| 14:33:14 | BigBoss | so who at sharp is making the determination if a submission for the "challenge" is "good enough"? |
| 14:33:27 | BZFlag | moin all. |
| 14:33:36 | hunger | BigBoss: Sniper I think. |
| 14:33:43 | tux_mike | well, i've been thinking about how to make a gamepad for the z |
| 14:33:46 | warmi | I am sure it will Sniper at leas in the case of "Rescue Raiders Port" |
| 14:33:47 | warmi | heeh |
| 14:33:49 | tux_mike | we need one |
| 14:34:04 | Sniper | did someone say rescue raiders? |
| 14:34:09 | warmi | Sniper: hehe |
| 14:34:09 | Sniper | actually its me and 2 other people |
| 14:34:15 | BigBoss | hey BA |
| 14:34:25 | warmi | Sniper: looks like somebody is working on the ZAurus port of that game |
| 14:34:29 | BigBoss | BZ rather |
| 14:34:32 | Sniper | where? |
| 14:34:35 | warmi | tux_mike: the Zaursu has a gamepad build in |
| 14:34:47 | warmi | tux_mike: or at least it works kind of like a gamepad |
| 14:34:55 | tux_mike | warmi: neo's right, the pad on the z sucks |
| 14:35:02 | Sniper | oh i see its been taken |
| 14:35:49 | warmi | tux_mike: well, it was not designed for heavy use ( as in playing games) |
| 14:36:10 | | CmdrChalupa hits me when nobody is looking. |
| 14:36:10 | CmdrChalupa | ibot CmdrChalupa |
| 14:36:11 | kergoth | i'm only 30 messages behind on lkml |
| 14:36:14 | kergoth | dances a jig |
| 14:36:16 | | well, CmdrChalupa is an idiot, he said so himself. |
| 14:36:16 | CmdrChalupa | ibot CmdrChalupa |
| 14:36:21 | CmdrChalupa | that about sums it up |
| 14:36:23 | tux_mike | warmi: i can't control my guy in doom easy enough :) |
| 14:36:24 | treke | * kergoth goes to get coffee |
| 14:36:34 | treke | <kergoth> Do 2000 messages behind now |
| 14:36:40 | Sniper | someone take the terminal emulator |
| 14:36:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:36:45 | kergoth | mmm coffee |
| 14:36:46 | kergoth | brb |
| 14:37:21 | ljp_ | sniper: doesnt embeddedkonsole do that? |
| 14:37:23 | tux_mike | kergoth: you like coffee too much |
| 14:38:26 | treke | Sniper: Maybe you ought to modify the listing on the challenge page. That sounds an awful lot like just embeddedkonsole |
| 14:38:44 | Sniper | what would be a better description, treke? |
| 14:38:49 | | johnix: i'm not following you... |
| 14:38:49 | johnix | ibot johnix |
| 14:39:06 | fusion94 | Sniper: the contract is in the bay area at least |
| 14:39:18 | tux_mike | warmi: but there is only one serial joystick, the gravis stinger |
| 14:39:30 | Sniper | fusion94: good.. :-) where my server at? hehe |
| 14:39:43 | treke | Sniper: Specifically mention that you want it to function as a serial termnial |
| 14:39:53 | prpplague | tux_mike: i've seen several PIC processor projects for converting standard joysticks to serial |
| 14:40:12 | kergoth | tux_mike: thats not possible :-) |
| 14:40:30 | tux_mike | kergoth: that's the only one i've ever seen |
| 14:40:44 | Sniper | treke: thats what this is called? i want this for the Z http://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt/index.html |
| 14:40:45 | kergoth | tux_mike: hmm.. |
| 14:40:46 | kergoth | googles |
| 14:41:16 | kergoth | Sniper: you want a terminal emulator + serial communications app, i'd say |
| 14:41:24 | warmi | Palm will cut pices on all models .. |
| 14:41:26 | Sniper | ok |
| 14:41:27 | johnix | but a joystick may well suck out all the power it can from the serial link, and drain the batteries |
| 14:41:29 | ljp_ | minicom |
| 14:41:48 | warmi | some if them from $300 to $200 |
| 14:41:52 | Sniper | kergoth: would it be too much to ask it support ssh? |
| 14:41:52 | tux_mike | johnix: how else you gonna play a FPS on your Z? |
| 14:41:57 | johnix | The joystick port is notorious for giving out a *lot* of power. |
| 14:41:58 | tgall__ | stirs |
| 14:42:11 | warmi | http://www.pdabuzz.com/ has a story |
| 14:42:14 | warmi | about it |
| 14:43:06 | johnix | tux_mike: well, I usually arrange to have a PC at hand whenever I intend to play for a long time near a wall plug ;) |
| 14:43:13 | tux_mike | johnix: keep in mind, a /serial/ joystick cannot take any more power than what on the serial port, and that's not much. analog joysticks do take a lot of power because of they are pots on 5v lines |
| 14:43:53 | treke | Sniper: Well you just described basically SecureCRT on the challeng page. Thought you wanted serial communication also |
| 14:43:56 | kergoth | Sniper: okay, so describe it as a Terminal emulation app, with ssh/serial/telnet communication methods :-) |
| 14:44:03 | johnix | tux_mike: yes. And your serial joystick is probably not analog either, is it? |
| 14:44:06 | kergoth | treke: securecrt does serial |
| 14:44:17 | treke | kergoth: it does? been a while since I used it |
| 14:44:20 | kergoth | treke: yep |
| 14:44:21 | Sniper | securecrt rocks!! i love it |
| 14:44:25 | kergoth | treke: i use it to console my Z :-) |
| 14:44:28 | tux_mike | johnix: usually a gamepad |
| 14:44:38 | johnix | tux_mike: ok |
| 14:44:52 | kergoth | I use cygwin + ssh for ssh capability, just use securecrt for serial. heh |
| 14:44:55 | treke | hehehe. I use hyperterminal for that when necesarry :) |
| 14:45:06 | tux_mike | prpplague: do you have any idea if you can adapt a gamepad from a console system to use serial?' |
| 14:45:22 | kergoth | hyperterminal sucks.. dont get me started :-) |
| 14:45:30 | treke | I dont need much |
| 14:45:30 | kergoth | teraterm is okay |
| 14:46:13 | johnix | ok, seeya guys |
| 14:46:20 | warmi | all of them are thing of the past :-) |
| 14:46:27 | treke | the ymodem transfer works fine in hyperterm, and thats all I really use it for :) |
| 14:46:45 | kergoth | ymodem.. i remember ymodem-g.. it had faster thoroughput than zmodem |
| 14:46:49 | kergoth | but couldnt resume |
| 14:46:52 | kergoth | i hated that part |
| 14:46:58 | kergoth | screen saver pops up.. crc errors.. |
| 14:47:15 | tux_mike | i never liked ymodem... it never worked right for me |
| 14:47:29 | tux_mike | should pack |
| 14:47:48 | treke | hehe, well it beats xmodem which is the other option for ipaq emergency recovery :) |
| 14:48:01 | hardwire | hi |
| 14:48:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:48:07 | kergoth | hey hardwire |
| 14:48:11 | hardwire | oops |
| 14:48:21 | whardier | I must go into disguise |
| 14:48:40 | tux_mike | pulls whardier's beard off |
| 14:48:45 | whardier | haha |
| 14:48:47 | whardier | good luck trying |
| 14:48:51 | ljp_ | see! hardwire and whardier are NEVER here at the same time! |
| 14:49:04 | tux_mike | ljp: it's a conspiracy |
| 14:49:32 | tux_mike | socket should make a LPT port |
| 14:50:14 | whardier | tux_mike for the hacker aspect or the printer aspect? |
| 14:50:30 | tux_mike | hacker aspect, of course. |
| 14:50:46 | tux_mike | i actually have several non-printer uses for one :) |
| 14:51:11 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 14:51:39 | whardier | binary watch |
| 14:51:39 | whardier | heh |
| 14:51:55 | Hellaenergy | Anyone know of a great deal on eth cf card? |
| 14:52:15 | tux_mike | newp |
| 14:52:54 | tux_mike | hrm... i wonder if i turn my 2920 into a 2905, will it allow my server to boot... |
| 14:53:56 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 26 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: ah [Thu Jul 25 15:27:23 2002] |
| 14:53:56 | darienm | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 14:55:15 | whardier | idiots |
| 14:55:26 | whardier | howcome nobody can ever get the aspect ratio right on movies? |
| 14:55:27 | prpplague | tux_mike: sorry, not right off the top of my head, but i would seem likely |
| 14:55:48 | darienm | whardier: what's 'right' ? |
| 14:56:39 | benmeyer | hi darienm |
| 14:57:02 | darienm | benmeyer Howdy! |
| 14:57:06 | whardier | darienm whats right? people that don't have their faces get shorter when they look sideways |
| 14:57:27 | whardier | doing things against 864 and not 720 pixels acrossed |
| 14:57:40 | darienm | whardier: Ah, you're talking about horizontal compresstion to "make it fit your TV". |
| 14:57:48 | darienm | whardier: Would you rather have it pan mechanically? |
| 14:57:59 | whardier | no.. I am sorta talking about people that encode movies for the masses that do it wrong |
| 14:58:26 | darienm | you must be watching different movies than I do... |
| 14:58:45 | whardier | or maybe I notice things |
| 14:58:52 | whardier | like every movie I download is off aspect ratio |
| 14:59:55 | fusion94 | Sniper: ok mate i have it, signing it and it'll go back out today in about 3 hours |
| 15:01:14 | whardier | actually |
| 15:02:17 | darienm | raises an eyebrow |
| 15:02:31 | whardier | counters the eyebrow with wiggling his ears |
| 15:04:23 | warmi | Hellaenergy: I got mine for $40 |
| 15:04:41 | whardier | doh fucketh |
| 15:05:02 | whardier | this anime does not deserve that bitrate |
| 15:05:03 | whardier | kills it |
| 15:07:12 | warmi | hi angryBSD |
| 15:07:13 | W|GGL|T | damn box keeps freezine |
| 15:07:15 | W|GGL|T | freezing |
| 15:07:22 | angryBSD | hi warmi |
| 15:07:26 | warmi | made up your mind yet which app you are gonna do ? |
| 15:08:12 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...stable with this kernel |
| 15:08:20 | angryBSD | yep, I signed up to do the "Assignment / Homework Manager" |
| 15:08:40 | warmi | angryBSD: ok |
| 15:08:48 | warmi | shouldn't be too hard |
| 15:08:54 | angryBSD | yeah |
| 15:09:08 | angryBSD | should i use a database for it? |
| 15:09:26 | angryBSD | its basically going to let you add and delete assignments and the assignments are contained based on subjects |
| 15:10:04 | angryBSD | what would be better for that, using a database or an XML file? |
| 15:10:16 | warmi | xml would do nice .. |
| 15:10:18 | smee|w | angryBSD: be sure to have a 'postpone this to the last possible moment' option in there |
| 15:10:31 | warmi | in fact ,even flat file will do nice :-) |
| 15:10:44 | warmi | we talking here about very small amounts of data |
| 15:10:49 | angryBSD | yeah |
| 15:11:04 | angryBSD | i was thinking XML would be nice because each subject could be like a tree or something |
| 15:11:09 | darienm | angryBSD, congrats. I'm doing an app as well. |
| 15:11:18 | angryBSD | darienm: oooh, which one |
| 15:11:24 | darienm | angryBSD, not on the list |
| 15:11:37 | angryBSD | darienm: what are you doing for it then |
| 15:11:41 | darienm | angryBSD, but not programatically much different than what you're doing |
| 15:12:01 | darienm | User starts applicaton, and can define the following attributes: Category Name, Value Name, High Value, Low Value. Examples follow. Category Name: Weight; Value Name: Pounds; High = 220; Low = 170. Category name: Blood Glucose; Value Name: mg/dl; High = 150; Low = 80. Category name: Golf Score; Value Name: Score; High = 150; Low = 70. |
| 15:12:03 | angryBSD | good, now I can make you help me ;) |
| 15:12:09 | treke | angryBSD: dont forget an option to mark that you must be sober/awake/on caffiene to complete it |
| 15:12:13 | darienm | User can define as many categories as they like. Then, they can log values for a category which writes the value and a brief note to an XML file along with the date and time. Then, on demand, the user can request a graph of a particular category for a day, week, month (or date range, perhaps) and get it graphed with indicators showing where the HIGH and LOWs are, according to the category settings. |
| 15:12:17 | erikd | guys, i have a question on the xml side of the zaurus. does the zaurus include a libxml type thing or would i have to write my own xml parser? |
| 15:12:20 | darienm | Also the ability to export category data to a CSV file for sending to a doctor, colleague, friend, etc. |
| 15:12:27 | darienm | Oh, by the way, erikd is helping me. |
| 15:12:31 | erikd | yeah :) |
| 15:12:33 | darienm | so please be kind to him :) |
| 15:12:43 | angryBSD | :) |
| 15:12:47 | kergoth | darienm: i need that, for tracking my physical training. weight lifting and the like. :-) |
| 15:12:50 | angryBSD | sugar, make erikd a coke |
| 15:12:50 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands erikd. |
| 15:12:54 | angryBSD | lol |
| 15:12:57 | erikd | w00t! |
| 15:13:00 | erikd | thanks :) |
| 15:13:03 | darienm | kergoth: It will do exactly that. its on the way |
| 15:13:07 | kergoth | darienm: sweet. |
| 15:13:18 | angryBSD | ahh shiat sharp said my idea had been done already |
| 15:13:29 | darienm | it will be able to track anything that requires only a single value. |
| 15:13:37 | angryBSD | called "classmate" |
| 15:13:45 | darienm | perhaps verion 2 will support additional values, features. |
| 15:14:03 | angryBSD | now i have to come up with yet another idea ;) |
| 15:14:29 | VerxWork | who is goetz on the mailing list? |
| 15:14:30 | darienm | so, is an XML parser built in somewhere or does every app have a home-brewed one? |
| 15:14:53 | treke | darienm: libopie has one, but qt doesnt have the xml parser built in on the zaurus |
| 15:15:03 | angryBSD | lol |
| 15:15:04 | kergoth | darienm: libopie has xmltree, which is a lgpl xml parser contributed by tronical. |
| 15:15:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:15:11 | kergoth | echo... |
| 15:15:27 | warmi | darienm: I think you will a real database for that task |
| 15:15:40 | darienm | warmi: really? What pushes it over the edge? |
| 15:15:50 | warmi | particulary if you want to keep weeks worth of data |
| 15:15:52 | darienm | kergoth: is libopie compatible with the sharp roms and QT ? |
| 15:16:01 | warmi | at least that is how I understand your goal |
| 15:16:03 | kergoth | darienm: yes, but your user will have to install it |
| 15:16:08 | kergoth | darienm: i.e. libopie-blah.ipk |
| 15:16:19 | toolafial | kergoth : I think I have found a bug with OZ with Compact flash cards |
| 15:16:23 | kergoth | darienm: extra dependency.. |
| 15:16:25 | warmi | darienm: by a real database I mean something like sqlite |
| 15:16:27 | kergoth | toolafial: whats the behavior? |
| 15:16:34 | darienm | warmi: sure, i'm following you. |
| 15:16:34 | warmi | which is basically a library you link with .. |
| 15:17:08 | kergoth | darienm: i'd do a basic database access layer myself, so i could test xml vs sqlite .. compare memory usage, performance.. but thaats just me :-) |
| 15:17:10 | toolafial | The auto mounter (I think it's pcmcia) doesn't recognize the card, I can mount it manually, but no docs show up in the doc tab |
| 15:17:20 | warmi | having database like that would be especially handy if you want to query the database |
| 15:17:21 | kergoth | toolafial: is cardmgr running? |
| 15:17:24 | toolafial | I have rebooted and that doesn't help |
| 15:17:28 | toolafial | kergoth : let me check |
| 15:17:28 | kergoth | toolafial: which kernel are you on? |
| 15:17:38 | ljp_ | maybe someday, openzaurus can also have an option for gpe |
| 15:17:38 | toolafial | 40-24 |
| 15:17:48 | kergoth | ljp_: yeah |
| 15:17:55 | kergoth | ljp_: it'll have enough other options.. |
| 15:17:56 | warmi | btw .. darien: are you familiar with sql language ? |
| 15:18:09 | darienm | yes, SQL i know |
| 15:18:17 | kergoth | picogui, evas (just for people wanting to develop on it), X, opie, and just plain console |
| 15:18:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:18:28 | darienm | select socks, shoes from warmi where color = |
| 15:18:32 | darienm | 'blue' |
| 15:18:36 | toolafial | kergoth : yea cardmgr is running |
| 15:18:42 | warmi | don't you think it would be much easier to use sql to query that data ? |
| 15:18:43 | kergoth | toolafial: what filesystem? |
| 15:18:44 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:18:54 | toolafial | kergoth : FAT |
| 15:18:59 | warmi | I am just guessing here because you said you want to have reports etc |
| 15:19:06 | kergoth | toolafial: I'll have a hard time reproducing.. mine works flawless |
| 15:19:10 | darienm | warmi: not disagreeing at all. Just wondering at what point this amount of data needs to be in a db. |
| 15:19:13 | kergoth | toolafial: do this.. drop to konsole, run syslogd;l klogd; |
| 15:19:25 | darienm | the calendar/datebook is all xml -- and could potentially have lots more data |
| 15:19:27 | kergoth | darienm: do what i said, write a intermediate layer so you can test performance on both :-) |
| 15:19:36 | warmi | darienm: it all depends on how much data you are going to store |
| 15:19:50 | kergoth | toolafial: s/l klogd/klogd/ |
| 15:19:56 | warmi | it is up to you .. from a technical point of view it is much easier to use sqlite than xml library |
| 15:19:56 | toolafial | kergoth : k running |
| 15:19:57 | kergoth | toolafial: then eject and reinsert the card. |
| 15:20:05 | kergoth | toolafial: then email me /var/log/messages :-) |
| 15:20:09 | darienm | warmi: considering it only stores a single numeric value for each entry, with optional notes field - there are lots of entries, but overall very little data in terms of bytes. |
| 15:20:39 | darienm | warmi: as I haven't started anything yet -- we'll certainly explore the db option |
| 15:20:50 | warmi | yeah but if you want to query and , say, categories them all using some criteria .. sql would be a much better option for that |
| 15:20:52 | angryBSD | damnit i hate whoever created hte application "classmate" |
| 15:21:05 | warmi | in xml you would have to scan all of this yourself etc .. |
| 15:21:20 | darienm | angryBSD: where's classmate? is it on zsi ? |
| 15:21:25 | kergoth | warmi: well, the problem with xml is you'd likely pull the whole damn thing into memory |
| 15:21:26 | angryBSD | nope |
| 15:21:31 | angryBSD | you have to PAY for it myzaurus.com |
| 15:21:31 | kergoth | warmi: which with a large # of items is a problem |
| 15:21:34 | kergoth | warmi: heh |
| 15:21:41 | warmi | "categorise them all " < that is what I meant |
| 15:22:03 | toolafial | kergoth : here might be a problem, I don't have a log directory in /var |
| 15:22:06 | kergoth | warmi: I dont see categorization as as much of a problem.. parsing the tree once its read into memory is easy.. but i find the memory usage to be a concern |
| 15:22:07 | darienm | warmi: initial plan was just to graph one category of data at a time. |
| 15:22:11 | kergoth | toolafial: uhh |
| 15:22:18 | kergoth | toolafial: something is screwed up on your unit.. |
| 15:22:24 | toolafial | kergoth : probably |
| 15:22:26 | kergoth | toolafial: every time you reboot it creates that structure |
| 15:22:26 | darienm | warmi: but, thinking more, now that there is also a date/time element, the db is starting to sound more necessary |
| 15:22:33 | kergoth | toolafial: every time.. in /etc/init.d/extractfs |
| 15:22:42 | toolafial | kergoth : ok, let me check |
| 15:22:48 | kergoth | toolafial: did you mess with your homedir? /root/.var_default.tar is where it comes from |
| 15:22:53 | warmi | kergoth: well, if you want to display data based on some key you would have to scan xml and then sort it on your own |
| 15:22:56 | warmi | pain in the ass |
| 15:23:06 | kergoth | warmi: oh you make it sound worse than it is :-) |
| 15:23:13 | toolafial | kergoth : probably I just realized that I moved my /root directory to /mnt/ram |
| 15:23:21 | kergoth | warmi: a quick set of functions to do the parsing, and you wouldnt worry about it again |
| 15:23:23 | warmi | kergoth: no , but why bother when db can do it for you for free ? |
| 15:23:25 | kergoth | toolafial: thats your problem. |
| 15:23:25 | toolafial | gets ready to duck the slaps |
| 15:23:31 | kergoth | toolafial: dont do that |
| 15:23:42 | kergoth | toolafial: if you want that.. symlink /root/Documents and /root/Applications to ram |
| 15:23:50 | kergoth | toolafial: but leave the root dir alone :-) |
| 15:24:01 | toolafial | kergoth : okay I probably mis-understood the directions |
| 15:24:04 | kergoth | np |
| 15:24:14 | toolafial | sorry for the false alarm |
| 15:24:19 | kergoth | toolafial: with extractfs failing, there's no /var/spool/pcmcia/ either, thats the cf issue |
| 15:24:22 | kergoth | toolafial: np |
| 15:24:32 | warmi | darienm: well it is really up to you .. you can't really decide until you iron out all your requirments for that app |
| 15:25:23 | warmi | ljp: are you around ? |
| 15:25:24 | kergoth | hmm on the laptop i'm about to order.. i can either pay $75 to go from 128mb to 512mb ram, or i can keep the 128 but get a $100 rebate.. which should i go with? |
| 15:25:25 | darienm | .. working on that today |
| 15:25:27 | kergoth | hops over to pricewatch |
| 15:25:46 | ljp_ | yes, I am now, warmi |
| 15:25:54 | warmi | darienm: if you decide on database then I have written nice C++ wrapper for using sqlite .. I used that in NFDB app .. works very well |
| 15:26:10 | W|GGL|T | grrr |
| 15:26:11 | darienm | warmi: ooh ooh, would like to see it |
| 15:26:26 | warmi | ljp:what do you think if I introduce 3rd party GLPed library for reading/parsing like 20 different image formats to showimg ? |
| 15:26:32 | darienm | warmi: i use NFDB all the time (being diabetic the carb values are useful to me) |
| 15:26:32 | kergoth | warmi: you should make that wrapper available :-) maybe even as a access layer upstream in sqlite itself... ;-) |
| 15:26:38 | angryBSD | darienm: will your app support graphing of the values? |
| 15:26:43 | ljp_ | warmi: do it! |
| 15:26:47 | darienm | angryBSD: yes -- did you read the description? |
| 15:27:09 | warmi | kergoth: I send it out to zecke and harleking |
| 15:27:12 | angryBSD | darienm: yep, just missed that feature |
| 15:27:15 | warmi | harlekin |
| 15:27:17 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:27:22 | kergoth | warmi: thats cool. still :-) |
| 15:27:45 | warmi | ljp: ok .. I think I am gonna use this one http://www.6ixsoft.com/ |
| 15:28:13 | warmi | kergoth: this wrapper is qt specific in the sense that I use qt collection classes a lot |
| 15:28:27 | kergoth | warmi: ah, gotcha. |
| 15:29:35 | ljp_ | warmi: thats gpl? |
| 15:29:35 | warmi | darienm: does NFDB work well for you ? |
| 15:29:58 | warmi | well, they have 2 licenses . GPL and some other for folks who want to go commercial with it |
| 15:30:06 | darienm | warmi: absolutely... except that carbohydrates are listed 'below the horizon' and I have to scroll to view them. its really the only data I care about. |
| 15:30:06 | warmi | both are completely free |
| 15:30:53 | warmi | darienm: hehe .. sorry ... I just kinda listed them the way they were listed in the data source I used for that ( USDA database) |
| 15:30:55 | kergoth | warmi: you shouldve just made it lgpl ;-) |
| 15:31:08 | kergoth | I should try out nfdb |
| 15:31:11 | warmi | kergoth: made what ? |
| 15:32:17 | kergoth | the wrapper. instead of dual licensing |
| 15:32:30 | kergoth | man, not enough caffeine in the system yet. bbiaf |
| 15:33:03 | warmi | kergoth: .. hehe .. no , my wrapper is free .. freeware |
| 15:33:15 | warmi | I was talking about that graphic library |
| 15:33:36 | warmi | the one I want to use for showimg |
| 15:34:00 | ciaolinux | what is the different in qt-embedded within v. 2.3 and v.3? |
| 15:34:37 | darienm | warmi: I lied... carbs are easy to read without scrolling.. I was thinking something else.. like I had to turn on 'extended view' or something |
| 15:34:44 | warmi | the same as withing qt 2.3 and 3 - http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/keyfeatures30.html |
| 15:35:25 | warmi | darienm: yeah .... well, you can turn on "extended view" permanently but there is no option to rearange individual items |
| 15:36:40 | darienm | warmi: where/when can I get that wrapper for sqlite? |
| 15:36:49 | darienm | warmi: and what kind of beer do you want in exchange? |
| 15:36:58 | angryBSD | grrr my original idea would have been relatively easy to do |
| 15:37:05 | warmi | I will send it to you with some very badly and quickly written docs |
| 15:37:19 | benmeyer | wow almost 6000 downloads for my tab manager |
| 15:37:21 | warmi | darienm: hehehe .. that will have to be determined at some later date |
| 15:37:34 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 15:37:34 | angryBSD | ibot, zsi |
| 15:37:37 | darienm | warmi: oh, not of age yet? |
| 15:37:53 | warmi | darienm: nah .... I am 32 :-) |
| 15:38:01 | warmi | just kidding |
| 15:38:05 | darienm | warmi: dito here |
| 15:38:06 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=340 |
| 15:38:09 | benmeyer | pretty theme |
| 15:38:10 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:38:35 | darienm | oooooh yummy |
| 15:38:48 | ciaolinux | does anyone use qtopia here? |
| 15:38:59 | treke | hehe liquid is pretty |
| 15:39:03 | darienm | use it.. in what way? |
| 15:39:05 | warmi | ciaolinux: of course we do |
| 15:39:05 | treke | bit slow though |
| 15:39:07 | angryBSD | does anyone not use qtopia here :) |
| 15:39:18 | darienm | yeah - some folks use opie |
| 15:39:30 | ciaolinux | warmi: well it is not so obvious... a lot of people use the open version |
| 15:39:37 | ciaolinux | warmi: anyway what version do you have ? |
| 15:39:42 | warmi | 1.5 |
| 15:39:54 | warmi | I never upgraded mine |
| 15:40:26 | ciaolinux | warmi: what is the difference within qtopia and qpe? |
| 15:40:47 | kergoth | ciaolinux: they're one and the same |
| 15:40:50 | darienm | ? aren't those the same? |
| 15:40:50 | warmi | no difference .. qpe is executable you run when you start Qtopia |
| 15:40:55 | erikd | qpe is hard to compile ;) |
| 15:41:23 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 15:41:25 | ciaolinux | warmi: I have been trying to install qt-embedded |
| 15:41:25 | erikd | i still can't get it to compile :( |
| 15:41:33 | erikd | i had to find the 1.3.1 binary |
| 15:41:35 | ciaolinux | warmi: what do i need for that? |
| 15:41:48 | treke | erikd: 1.3.1? thats really really ancient |
| 15:42:15 | ciaolinux | warmi: what is the difference within qpe 1.4 and qpe 1.5? |
| 15:42:19 | warmi | ciaolinux: install for what ? on your Linux box X86 in order to start developing apps for the Zaurus ? |
| 15:42:20 | kergoth | someone help me decide. dell inspiron 8200 w/ 15" 1600x1200, or dell inspiron 4150 w/ 14" 1600x1200.. 4150 is $50 more, but is smaller and 1lb less. everything else is the same. |
| 15:42:28 | ciaolinux | warmi: that is right |
| 15:42:31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:42:32 | warmi | ciaolinux: some bug fixes ... etc |
| 15:42:42 | kergoth | erikd: whats the problem compiling it? ive never had a problem |
| 15:42:46 | ciaolinux | how about qt-embedded? is it ok? |
| 15:42:53 | ljp_ | kergoth: buy both.. send me one you dont like |
| 15:42:53 | kergoth | ciaolinux: qtopia and opie use qt/e |
| 15:42:57 | treke | ciaolinux: qpe 1.4 is incompatible with the 1.5 data files |
| 15:42:57 | erikd | kergoth: 8200 |
| 15:43:02 | kergoth | ljp_: bah, i cant even afford just one :-) |
| 15:43:07 | kergoth | ljp_: though i'm buying one anyway :-) |
| 15:43:13 | erikd | kergoth: let me try again, i forgot the error |
| 15:43:19 | treke | kergoth: 14 inch 1600x1200 is gonna be really small |
| 15:43:25 | warmi | ciaolinux: read this howto:http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 15:43:28 | erikd | it was a multiple def error when i was compiling qt embedded, though |
| 15:43:29 | bipolar | kergoth: are you going to carry it everywhere? |
| 15:43:32 | ciaolinux | warmi: thanks |
| 15:43:41 | erikd | so it's actually qt embedded and not qpe |
| 15:43:43 | kergoth | bipolar: well, to work and back, yes. beyond that, probably no |
| 15:43:55 | bipolar | kergoth: then get the bigger one. |
| 15:43:57 | kergoth | erikd: probably using the wrong config command or something. qt/e compiles fine |
| 15:44:02 | Harlekin | huh |
| 15:44:06 | kergoth | re Harlekin |
| 15:44:11 | ciaolinux | warmi: did you ever try to download qtopia-free in that website/ |
| 15:44:31 | kergoth | ciaolinux: thats just a snapshot of qtopia. |
| 15:44:42 | | avantgo is currently being ongoing at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LiMalC |
| 15:44:42 | treke | ibot: avantgo? |
| 15:44:44 | smee|w | fwiw, I like my I8100 despite the weight and build quality |
| 15:44:45 | Harlekin | yo kergoth |
| 15:44:51 | ciaolinux | kergoth: really? it is something like 8MB, if i am not worng |
| 15:44:57 | angryBSD | ooh avantgo for zaurus would own |
| 15:44:58 | treke | what was that avantgo like thing for qtopia |
| 15:44:59 | kergoth | ciaolinux: so? |
| 15:45:12 | ciaolinux | kergoth: no actually 22... |
| 15:45:14 | erikd | smee|w: yeah, i love my 8000 |
| 15:45:21 | ciaolinux | kergoth: 22MB of snapshot? what is that? |
| 15:45:21 | treke | cloudchase was talking about it |
| 15:45:58 | kergoth | ciaolinux: its just a snapshot of cvs. i dont see where the confusion comes in |
| 15:46:01 | smee|w | erikd: yeah... s/like/love/ |
| 15:46:05 | warmi | ciaolinux: no .. I took part in the contest and I got the commercial one for fre |
| 15:46:17 | warmi | but since then I recompiled both qte and qtopia on my own |
| 15:46:22 | warmi | ( x86 version only) |
| 15:46:24 | ciaolinux | kergoth: but did it work with you? i have tried to do alien -d, but it didnt |
| 15:46:34 | ciaolinux | warmi: how? |
| 15:46:36 | kergoth | ciaolinux: alien -d works flawless on the rpm. |
| 15:46:46 | angryBSD | where's a site i can look at palm software that i could possibly recreate for the zaurus |
| 15:46:52 | ciaolinux | warmi: on the website, it was written that you need to buy |
| 15:46:58 | kergoth | angryBSD: google is your friend |
| 15:47:07 | warmi | ciaolinux: I recompiled using this info :http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php3?BuildingQtForOpie |
| 15:47:09 | ciaolinux | kergoth: maybe there was an error in downloading it... kind of strange though |
| 15:47:13 | kergoth | ciaolinux: you dont need to buy the sdk if you're developing a GPL app. please read the documentation |
| 15:47:24 | warmi | ciaolinux: you need to buy it if you want to develop commercial apps .. |
| 15:47:34 | warmi | otherwise you can use the free one |
| 15:47:45 | ciaolinux | warmi: so what did you get it free? |
| 15:48:12 | kergoth | ciaolinux: the people who were involved in the trolltech developer contest got the commercial sdk free. |
| 15:48:15 | erikd | smee|w: and it runs linux well, too! |
| 15:48:22 | warmi | cause Trolls held a contest for writting app for the Zaurus and all participant received free SDK |
| 15:48:28 | ciaolinux | kergoth: does it apply in the new sharp challange? |
| 15:48:37 | warmi | ciaolinux: no |
| 15:48:47 | treke | ciaolinux: no the new challenge doesnt give you a free commercial sdk |
| 15:48:52 | smee|w | erikd: yeah! although I'm still dual booting it |
| 15:48:56 | ciaolinux | warmi: i see... so what is the difference within the commercial and the free, from a programming point of view? |
| 15:49:04 | warmi | no difference |
| 15:49:08 | warmi | just a licence |
| 15:49:12 | ciaolinux | warmi: i see. |
| 15:49:27 | | zsi is, like, http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 15:49:27 | angryBSD | ibot, zsi |
| 15:49:32 | treke | which is good since I deleted my commercial sdk binaries :) |
| 15:49:33 | ciaolinux | warmi: ok... thanks for the help... I will let you know when i finish downloading it |
| 15:49:43 | warmi | ciaolinux: n/p |
| 15:50:07 | warmi | treke|home: despite the fact that I developed Puzz-le with this commercial sdk |
| 15:50:22 | warmi | I started having problems with X86 Qtopia when developing NFDB |
| 15:50:27 | kergoth | I lost my commercial sdk binaries also. heh |
| 15:50:37 | warmi | all kinds of crashes in QPEApplication initialization code etc .. |
| 15:50:40 | kergoth | no wait, actually i just found an old ass version of that rpm.. |
| 15:50:41 | erikd | smee|w: yeah, me too. i just can't live without my counter strike and photoshop ;) |
| 15:50:43 | kergoth | hehh |
| 15:50:43 | treke | then again I doubt I'll every write anything that isnt gpl :) |
| 15:50:44 | darienm | treke: mazingo ? |
| 15:50:49 | treke | darienm: yeah thats it |
| 15:50:51 | kergoth | erikd: winex? ;-) |
| 15:50:53 | warmi | I recompiled the whole things and it all went away |
| 15:51:30 | warmi | I don't use the commercial sdk per se .. I recompiled it myself but since I was awarded free licence for the SDK before I am just using it that way |
| 15:52:06 | erikd | kergoth: /home/yodatoad/qt-2.3.2/include/qfontdatabase.h:131: `QFontDatabase::qwsAddDiskFont(QDiskFont *)' has already been declared in `QFontDatabase' |
| 15:52:10 | kergoth | warmi: i wonder if we can get trolltech to send out an actual paper document for the liense.. |
| 15:52:22 | erikd | and: /home/yodatoad/qt-2.3.2/include/qcopchannel_qws.h:63: `QCopChannel::sendLocally(const QCString &, const QCString &, const QByteArray &)' has already been declared in `QCopChannel' |
| 15:52:33 | kergoth | erikd: has already been declared where? |
| 15:52:39 | kergoth | erikd: you left that out :-) |
| 15:52:46 | erikd | i didn't want t flood :) |
| 15:52:46 | erikd | hold |
| 15:52:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:53:01 | erikd | 7 lines: |
| 15:53:03 | erikd | In file included from kernel/qt.h:96, |
| 15:53:03 | erikd | from allmoc.cpp:16: |
| 15:53:03 | erikd | In file included from kernel/qt.h:275, |
| 15:53:03 | erikd | from allmoc.cpp:16: |
| 15:53:06 | erikd | hmm |
| 15:53:09 | erikd | or not |
| 15:53:23 | erikd | bx doesn't like the dir names |
| 15:53:35 | warmi | kergoth: well, I don't expect them to come and stab me in the back once after I made all these millions writing apps for the ZAurus .. but, you are right, it would be nice to have one |
| 15:53:54 | erikd | but QFontDatabase is the first file and QCopChannel is the second |
| 15:54:01 | smee|w | I compiled qtfb and says I should run it with -qws, didnt need to do that with the binary I downloaded |
| 15:54:33 | XavierXeon | hi ! anyone using qt for windows with visual studio ? |
| 15:54:50 | warmi | yeah .. I am using it right now as we speak :-) |
| 15:55:31 | warmi | I can make a screenshot of my desktop if you don't believe ... |
| 15:55:32 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:55:34 | warmi | j/k |
| 15:55:34 | XavierXeon | warmi: did you find out how to export your project so that you can compile it on linux ? |
| 15:55:56 | warmi | no, I just copy CPP and H files and move them to my linux box |
| 15:56:06 | warmi | I have a app.pro file which I update by hand |
| 15:56:37 | XavierXeon | ok. thats the solution i also found |
| 15:57:07 | warmi | I don't really do that very often .. and once you set up your .pro/ Makefile on your Linux box you just add new classes to it as neccesary and replace existing with the newer ones from your Windows box |
| 15:57:33 | XavierXeon | do you also use the pro file to compile on windows ? |
| 15:58:21 | warmi | I don't .. I use pro file only on Linux but as I understand you can use the button "Generate Qt Project" to create VC++ Qt project out of .pro file |
| 15:58:37 | XavierXeon | thx warmi |
| 15:58:48 | warmi | it is the second button on that Qt toolbar in VC++ |
| 15:59:12 | warmi | kergoth: have you ever used Qt on a Windows machine ? |
| 15:59:15 | warmi | with VC++ ? |
| 15:59:25 | XavierXeon | i found that, but it would be nice to have it the other way round |
| 15:59:40 | ljp_ | I have warmi |
| 15:59:54 | kergoth | warmi: i havent |
| 15:59:54 | warmi | maybe there is one .. I just never bothered to investigate that option much |
| 16:00:11 | warmi | the aproach I am using now works for me pretty well |
| 16:00:38 | warmi | ljp: oh .. so you do use Windows now and then ha ?? |
| 16:00:52 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:01:02 | toolafial | thinks VC++ is pure evil |
| 16:01:23 | noidd | hehe |
| 16:01:29 | noidd | Greetings |
| 16:01:35 | warmi | hi noidd |
| 16:01:49 | noidd | warmi: if you got any black candles there - please light them for me :-) |
| 16:01:49 | XavierXeon | noidd: greetings earthling |
| 16:01:59 | noidd | <--- Giving PerlQT another go :-) |
| 16:02:03 | ljp_ | warmi: now and then? |
| 16:02:10 | warmi | ljp: hehe |
| 16:02:20 | warmi | noidd: hehee .. good luck |
| 16:02:33 | noidd | I got a couple of other perl developers to have a go |
| 16:02:36 | noidd | they all failed :-( |
| 16:02:40 | noidd | same errors |
| 16:02:57 | noidd | so at least I know that Qt's hatred is not personal :-) |
| 16:03:26 | warmi | noidd: hehe .. no qt-perl for you :-) |
| 16:03:34 | noidd | probably not |
| 16:03:41 | noidd | but this is a completely virgin machine |
| 16:03:45 | bcc | can i use qsql's classes with qte? |
| 16:03:50 | treke | bcc: no |
| 16:03:51 | noidd | so no rpm leftovers / kde etc |
| 16:03:52 | warmi | this is just another incentive to learn C++ |
| 16:04:05 | W|GGL|T | thinks Robert P. J. Day is a bit high strung |
| 16:04:09 | warmi | bcc: no, not with qt 2.3 |
| 16:04:21 | noidd | warmi: true, but I'd like to do that talk at YAPC... would be nice to get a few more active developers for the Z |
| 16:04:46 | bcc | how should i do? |
| 16:04:52 | noidd | apart from that - if I submit a talk, its easier to get the business trip written off as advertising and expenses :-) |
| 16:04:54 | warmi | noidd: I know .. have you talked to the guy who wrote this wrapper ? |
| 16:05:11 | warmi | bcc: what you want do to ? |
| 16:05:21 | warmi | connect to some sql server ? |
| 16:06:05 | bcc | warmi: no |
| 16:06:44 | warmi | well, you could always use sqlite with C++ wrapper if you want to just use some sort of sql based database in your Qtopia project |
| 16:07:13 | noidd | warmi: I plead the fifth amendment on that one |
| 16:07:22 | noidd | warmi: hmm, if it fails this time - i'll write to him |
| 16:07:31 | noidd | in fact, I'll write to him right now. |
| 16:07:36 | noidd | (if it fails) |
| 16:07:41 | warmi | noidd: hehe .. wise choice |
| 16:08:17 | bcc | warmi: what's another fast way to load information without sql? |
| 16:08:37 | kergoth | bcc: qtopia uses a xml backend |
| 16:08:44 | warmi | bcc: sorry, but you are a bit to vague ... |
| 16:08:58 | warmi | it all depends on the type of information etc .. |
| 16:09:07 | noidd | warmi: since the guy says that he has the problem of closing the parent DOS window when you run an application |
| 16:09:25 | noidd | warmi: I get the impression that the PerlQT stuff with developed under 'doze :-O |
| 16:09:40 | noidd | warmi: so, i'm not holding out too much hope |
| 16:09:40 | toolafial | I like PyQt |
| 16:09:47 | noidd | but we try :-) |
| 16:09:47 | bcc | ok i will use xml, thanks |
| 16:09:54 | toolafial | to start the app is slow, but after it's running it |
| 16:09:59 | toolafial | 's pretty quick |
| 16:10:11 | noidd | compiles qt-2.0.2 |
| 16:10:22 | noidd | as it is the *exact* version he used. |
| 16:10:33 | warmi | toolafial: of course it will be quick .. as long as you don't do a lot processing using Python .. |
| 16:10:46 | toolafial | yea, exactly |
| 16:11:23 | toolafial | it also works really well prototyping an app to later be written in C++ |
| 16:13:12 | noidd | tool: as long as you do all the processor heavy stuff in C, a python or perl app will be more scalable, supportable and manageable typically. |
| 16:13:41 | toolafial | why not use ASM for ultimate speed? |
| 16:13:50 | toolafial | : ) |
| 16:13:52 | noidd | tool: not portable. |
| 16:13:53 | noidd | :-P |
| 16:14:13 | noidd | I so want to port Pronto to Qt and the Zaurus |
| 16:14:20 | noidd | :-) |
| 16:14:21 | warmi | toolafial: I do use ASM |
| 16:14:44 | warmi | i used a bit of asm to speed up Qtopia Gnuboy by a factor of 2 |
| 16:15:05 | warmi | but for 99% of stuff it is a drag :-) |
| 16:15:23 | toolafial | that's true, |
| 16:15:36 | warmi | especially , considering that gas ( gnu assmembler) supports its own syntax .. |
| 16:15:48 | toolafial | I think ASM makes more sense in an emulator enviroment |
| 16:16:00 | warmi | quite idiotic if you ask me as all the docs are usually written using original ARM syntax |
| 16:16:50 | warmi | but of course, GNU folks have to be different .. |
| 16:17:24 | kergoth | warmi: i take it the SDT would use the original arm syntax, eh? have you played with it much yet? |
| 16:17:28 | | fastolfe is using some igniton-coil battery powered anit-bike-theft device to blow his nuts off |
| 16:17:28 | prpplague | ibot: fastolfe |
| 16:17:44 | | fastolfe was last seen on #zaurus 142 days, 11 hours, 36 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: [Tue Mar 5 04:40:52 2002] |
| 16:17:44 | prpplague | ibot: seen fastolfe |
| 16:17:59 | warmi | kergoth: I am not sure SDT will generate ELF obj files |
| 16:18:00 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 16:18:12 | kergoth | warmi: ah good point, since it doesnt support linux natively |
| 16:18:26 | kergoth | warmi: how are the docs on there? |
| 16:18:39 | warmi | Speedy said there might a way to convert COFF to ELF |
| 16:18:44 | warmi | kergoth: great |
| 16:18:50 | warmi | docs are great |
| 16:18:57 | | it has been said that angrybsd is one silly motherfucker |
| 16:18:57 | angryBSD | ibot, angrybsd |
| 16:19:11 | kergoth | warmi:hmmm nice |
| 16:19:18 | | tgall_foo: excuse me? |
| 16:19:18 | tgall_foo | ibot, tgall_foo |
| 16:19:20 | tgall_foo | heh |
| 16:19:21 | kergoth | warmi: i'll have to do some reading |
| 16:19:36 | warmi | angryBSD: hehe .. ibot doesn';t seem to like you much |
| 16:19:45 | | well, warmi is here |
| 16:19:45 | warmi | ibot warmi |
| 16:19:51 | kergoth | warmi: speedy did point me to a xscale gnuPro toolchain for cygwin off intel's site.. |
| 16:19:54 | kergoth | warmi: :-) |
| 16:20:12 | kergoth | warmi: that can compile for armv4 as well apparently |
| 16:20:12 | warmi | kergoth: gnuPro ?? |
| 16:20:17 | warmi | what the hell is that ? |
| 16:20:22 | kergoth | warmi: gnu tools + redhat's support cruft |
| 16:20:23 | warmi | is it commercial stuff ? |
| 16:20:31 | kergoth | iirc |
| 16:20:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:20:36 | kergoth | i lost the url though |
| 16:21:11 | warmi | well, I was just looking for a non-gnu ARM asm that can generate ELF obj files |
| 16:21:24 | kergoth | warmi: heh, thatd be nice |
| 16:21:31 | warmi | right now I am writing ASM code for gasm .. |
| 16:21:44 | warmi | if it barks at my code I move it to my Windows to test it on SDK |
| 16:22:00 | warmi | and if it works there ( compiles) then I know gas is misbehaving again |
| 16:22:00 | prpplague | ljp_: will you drop me an email if/when you here from fastolfe? dave123@abcsinc.com |
| 16:22:03 | warmi | nasty stuff |
| 16:22:16 | | you are mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 16:22:16 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 16:22:33 | kergoth | warmi: ack |
| 16:22:41 | noidd | warmi: you're gonna love this... PerlQT is compiling :-D |
| 16:22:44 | benmeyer | how do I have gimp save a 24bit bmp and not a 32bit bmp? |
| 16:22:47 | kergoth | noidd: lol |
| 16:22:48 | warmi | kergoth: x86 has nasm which is a perfect tool |
| 16:23:05 | kergoth | warmi: ah.. nasm doesnt support arm i take it |
| 16:23:06 | warmi | noidd: don't say a word untill make comes back |
| 16:23:06 | noidd | geez, took a hard disk crash |
| 16:23:07 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:23:07 | kergoth | warmi: thats too bad |
| 16:23:08 | ljp_ | sure prpplague |
| 16:23:18 | prpplague | ljp_: thanks |
| 16:23:25 | warmi | kergoth: no , it does not .. it should though :-) |
| 16:23:29 | noidd | warmi: yeah - then it compiles against qtopia |
| 16:24:09 | noidd | benmayer: I have managed to put my 256M SD CARD to good use in my Zaurus now... I can read and write to it without errors. |
| 16:24:14 | | contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 16:24:14 | angryBSD | ibot, contest |
| 16:24:24 | sig | sup fellas |
| 16:24:35 | warmi | noidd: that has to be that black candle I have right here .. |
| 16:25:02 | noidd | yup - two suuccesses in a row - that would be warmi's black candle |
| 16:26:32 | warmi | noidd: I wanna see Qt based Perl program .. |
| 16:26:39 | warmi | running on my Z |
| 16:26:43 | benmeyer | hey kergoth, how did you change the Zaurus image to the Opie icon on the boot |
| 16:26:47 | warmi | I never seen a monster like that before |
| 16:26:50 | benmeyer | was that compiled into the kernel? |
| 16:27:43 | kergoth | benmeyer: ? |
| 16:27:49 | kergoth | benmeyer: opie icon? |
| 16:27:50 | darienm | startupscreen? |
| 16:27:56 | benmeyer | yah |
| 16:28:00 | benmeyer | when you first boot |
| 16:28:01 | kergoth | benmeyer: oh you mean the openzaurus w/ pingizauru boot screen? |
| 16:28:05 | benmeyer | y |
| 16:28:08 | kergoth | benmeyer: kernel |
| 16:28:11 | benmeyer | ok |
| 16:28:14 | kergoth | benmeyer: drivers/video/LogoScreen.c |
| 16:28:14 | benmeyer | wasn't sure |
| 16:28:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:28:22 | benmeyer | inline then |
| 16:28:25 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:28:48 | benmeyer | I know that the kernel progress patch allows you to select, but didn't know if it was at compile time or boot time |
| 16:29:36 | Harlekin | sure its the progress patch? |
| 16:30:10 | benmeyer | yah, ran it on my <sign> old debian box |
| 16:30:19 | benmeyer | <sigh> |
| 16:30:29 | Harlekin | bacause a splash is just fb |
| 16:30:38 | benmeyer | yah |
| 16:30:50 | benmeyer | but to be able to get rid of the output would be really cool |
| 16:30:56 | benmeyer | and just have a progress bar |
| 16:31:05 | Harlekin | oh |
| 16:31:14 | Harlekin | the zaurus has a animates splash while booting? |
| 16:31:22 | benmeyer | not now |
| 16:31:23 | benmeyer | but it can |
| 16:31:47 | kergoth | benmeyer: uh, collie doesnt use the progress patch |
| 16:31:59 | benmeyer | what is collie? |
| 16:32:02 | kergoth | benmeyer: though i want to switch us to a version of it rather than this |
| 16:32:13 | kergoth | benmeyer: collie = sharp's naming for this sa1100 implementation |
| 16:32:18 | ljp_ | openzaurus does |
| 16:32:19 | benmeyer | Oh no I don't mean we use it now |
| 16:32:30 | tgall_foo | kergoth: I'm sorta doing the final install steps by hand ... couple more questions for ya |
| 16:32:36 | kergoth | tgall_foo: ask away |
| 16:32:39 | kergoth | ljp_: ? |
| 16:32:47 | benmeyer | the current sharp's implementaion is just that, don't do all that much |
| 16:32:58 | kergoth | benmeyer: the logo screen is a hack |
| 16:33:03 | ljp_ | animated startup.. |
| 16:33:04 | tgall_foo | kergoth: when the ipkg-x86 fires it has -f $(BASE_DIR)/root/etc/ipkg.conf but that file doesn't exist... is that correct or did I goof something? |
| 16:33:04 | benmeyer | yah |
| 16:33:06 | kergoth | benmeyer: i want to convert us to the generally useful way of doing it |
| 16:33:14 | kergoth | ljp_: animated yes.. thats whardier's hack :-) |
| 16:33:26 | kergoth | tgall_foo: nah the first package it installs puts it there :-) |
| 16:33:40 | kergoth | tgall_foo: oz-base puts it into place, only the oz-base install should dump a wanring |
| 16:33:41 | tgall_foo | additionally in the root/* dir... I would have expected to see a dev dir... |
| 16:33:41 | benmeyer | yes, something that has been more tested etc and looks better such as that progress patch |
| 16:33:54 | kergoth | tgall_foo: mkfs.jffs2 creates the devices from sources/oz-dev_table.txt |
| 16:33:59 | tgall_foo | ahhhhh ok ... oz-base isn't in my build at the mo! |
| 16:34:06 | tgall_foo | heh ... ok another package I need! |
| 16:34:06 | ljp_ | except the light doesnt fully pop on till after the animation has ended |
| 16:34:12 | kergoth | tgall_foo: iirc progress patch is disabled unless you use a vesa fb console |
| 16:34:15 | kergoth | ljp_: yeah we can fix that |
| 16:34:29 | kergoth | tgall_foo: oz-base is the base files.. i.e. basic /etc structure and shit |
| 16:35:01 | kergoth | er |
| 16:35:14 | kergoth | benmeyer: iirc progress patch is currently dependent on vesa console in x86 |
| 16:35:35 | kergoth | benmeyer: i'll have to peer into the code a bit.. try to make it work |
| 16:36:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: its been on my todo list for a long ass time.. :-) |
| 16:36:57 | benmeyer | heh |
| 16:37:01 | kergoth | benmeyer: it got moved around as a part of my porting the embedix patch |
| 16:37:05 | benmeyer | one of those really cool, but not neede items |
| 16:37:08 | kergoth | benmeyer: I wont be porting LogoScreen to newer kernels |
| 16:37:19 | kergoth | benmeyer: instead i'll go to the progress patch directly |
| 16:37:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:37:21 | benmeyer | LogoScreen is the current one |
| 16:37:23 | kergoth | yeh |
| 16:37:55 | kergoth | re oGMo |
| 16:38:56 | oGMo | hey kergoth |
| 16:39:44 | kergoth | benmeyer: hey i think i might know the source of my read only flash problem |
| 16:39:50 | kergoth | finally |
| 16:40:05 | benmeyer | kergoth: what is that? |
| 16:40:32 | tgall_foo | kergoth: ok next weird and twisted question |
| 16:40:44 | tgall_foo | root looks good for the most part cept the permissions |
| 16:40:50 | tgall_foo | do you fix those up at some point? |
| 16:40:51 | kergoth | benmeyer: I dont think my init code for the scoop chip (the chip handling the CF, and also applies voltage to enable flash writes) is incorrect |
| 16:40:59 | kergoth | tgall_foo: mkfs.jffs2 squashes permissions to root:root |
| 16:41:05 | tgall_foo | ahhhhhh |
| 16:41:16 | kergoth | tgall_foo: any exceptions to that (i.e. things that MUST have different permissions) can be set via the dev table |
| 16:41:18 | tgall_foo | does it essentially chmod -r root.root * ? |
| 16:41:21 | kergoth | tgall_foo: sources/oz-dev_table.txt |
| 16:41:28 | kergoth | tgall_foo: no, that would require that you build as root |
| 16:41:34 | kergoth | tgall_foo: i dont build openzaurus as root :-) |
| 16:41:38 | tgall_foo | me neither |
| 16:41:51 | kergoth | so thats why .. chmod would fail if we werent root |
| 16:42:05 | kergoth | so mkfs.jffs2 squashes them when it creates the image |
| 16:42:52 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 16:42:55 | br33zy | warmi! |
| 16:43:00 | kergoth | tgall_foo: well, you have teh ipks.. they're all you need... install them into whatever.. :-) |
| 16:43:47 | erikd | if i don't have a physical zaurus to test apps on, what would i use? |
| 16:43:52 | tgall_foo | hmmm yeah I guess |
| 16:44:00 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 16:44:00 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 16:44:00 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 16:44:00 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 16:44:01 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 16:44:05 | br33zy | whoops |
| 16:44:24 | br33zy | erikd: are you the one who mailed the list? |
| 16:44:40 | erikd | nope, i have yet to -find- the list :) |
| 16:45:22 | darienm | br33zy: I suckerd erikd into helping me build a Zaurus app today |
| 16:45:29 | darienm | br33zy: he's at the ground floor, but running fast |
| 16:45:40 | angryBSD | hi again |
| 16:45:44 | ljp_ | the mailing list is a sourceforge.net/projects/zaurus |
| 16:45:52 | erikd | soon to be slowed down by the lawn needing mowing ;) |
| 16:45:54 | | drago was last seen on #zaurus 167 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: v23_work, how does x11 run on it? [Thu Feb 7 20:17:03 2002] |
| 16:45:54 | angryBSD | ibot, seen drago |
| 16:46:33 | erikd | ljp_: thanks |
| 16:46:39 | angryBSD | wow i never knew he went on here |
| 16:49:46 | br33zy | good |
| 16:49:56 | br33zy | that coffee is excellent |
| 16:50:18 | noidd | Warmi: progress... |
| 16:50:19 | noidd | root@citalopram t1 # perl t1 |
| 16:50:19 | noidd | Can't locate object method "new" via package "Qt::Application" (perhaps you forgot to load "Qt::Application"?) at t1 line 3. |
| 16:50:33 | noidd | (Perl error - it is in my world now) :-D |
| 16:50:40 | W1GGL1T | grrr |
| 16:50:48 | sig | yo w| |
| 16:50:57 | sig | yo W1GGL1T you changed your nick dude |
| 16:50:57 | W1GGL1T | mozilla is the damn program that keeps freezing my box |
| 16:50:59 | sig | he |
| 16:51:06 | W1GGL1T | gotta nick kill |
| 16:51:09 | warmi | noidd: hehehe .. good , so you are a happy man at last |
| 16:51:50 | sig | is playing [ Alice In Chains - Rooster ] ¤ E=mc^2 |
| 16:51:55 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:52:01 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 15:50:21) |
| 16:52:03 | sig | I need to find another hobby other than sitting here on my ass |
| 16:52:12 | sig | and having my woman bitch at me |
| 16:52:14 | sig | :( |
| 16:52:14 | tux_mike | neo: i see what you mean about the Z's d-pad |
| 16:52:25 | XavierXeon | sig: try sitting on your head |
| 16:52:40 | warmi | sig: go get a job :-) |
| 16:52:42 | sig | XavierXeon: I'd prolly pass out, all the blood would flow the wrong way |
| 16:52:46 | noidd | i'll be happy when it connects to my X server. But at least we are now in an environment I am qualified to debug |
| 16:52:48 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: referring some old comment about how it's not that great to play games with? |
| 16:52:49 | sig | warmi: I have a job |
| 16:52:52 | sig | she doesn't |
| 16:52:56 | sig | so all she does is bitch |
| 16:52:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:52:57 | tux_mike | neo: yah |
| 16:53:18 | tux_mike | it's fine for arknoid, but when it get to real games, it's hard to ue |
| 16:53:19 | tux_mike | use |
| 16:54:02 | angryBSD | any ideas for relatively easy apps i can make for the challenge? |
| 16:54:23 | Sniper | angry: we'll be adding a few more soon |
| 16:54:36 | sig | an e-mail client that can use attatchments... hehehehe |
| 16:54:46 | treke | Sniper: You keeping count of entries vs zaurii |
| 16:54:47 | angryBSD | Sniper: schweet |
| 16:54:59 | W|GGL|T | ahh...found fluxconf |
| 16:55:08 | W|GGL|T | its in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 16:55:12 | mark | kisses his new digital camera :) |
| 16:55:31 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: arkanoid type games play so much better with the stylus. Like Bust'em . :)) |
| 16:55:31 | BigBoss | mark needs a woman |
| 16:55:40 | | sniper is probably a Sharp marketing slave. or evil |
| 16:55:40 | angryBSD | ibot sniper |
| 16:55:46 | tux_mike | neo: that always feels like cheating thoguh :) |
| 16:55:56 | angryBSD | oo |
| 16:55:57 | erikd | where would be the best place to get info on developing apps for the zaurus in c++? I've been looking at the developer site and i don't see anything about the layout of the c++ app, just java and how to transfer the apps |
| 16:56:06 | mark | BigBoss: nope, i need tkcGallery :) |
| 16:56:07 | sig | hmm, I want quanta gold |
| 16:56:08 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: why cheating? it's how it's designed to be played |
| 16:56:24 | tux_mike | to tap and the paddle is under your stylus? |
| 16:56:37 | Neo|Work | I noticed that kendrick's arkanoid game severely suffers from the "stylus pressed slowdown syndrome" |
| 16:56:44 | erikd | and i tried writing a simple "hello world" and running it in the little emu thing (qpe) and it ran like a regular qt/x11 app |
| 16:57:02 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: it doesn't teleport, it moves at the same maximum speed it'd move with when using the keys |
| 16:57:05 | Neo|Work | in Bust'em that is |
| 16:57:18 | mark | erikd: you need to link against the qt/e libraries rather than the qt/x11 ones.. |
| 16:57:18 | tux_mike | ah, well, some teleport :) |
| 16:57:37 | erikd | mark: ooooh :) |
| 16:57:38 | warmi | erikd: do ldd on your app and see what is linked to |
| 16:57:41 | erikd | ok |
| 16:57:56 | warmi | erikd: btw .. you need to use Qtopia way of writing main.cpp |
| 16:58:16 | warmi | erikd: http://www.warmi.net/httpd/html/qtopia/refman.html |
| 16:58:24 | mark | Sniper: what exactly do you mean by 'music theory app with tones'? |
| 16:58:31 | erikd | mark: you were right |
| 16:58:34 | erikd | warmi: ok, thanks |
| 16:58:41 | sig | BigBoss: what can you tell me about quanta gold? |
| 16:58:52 | sig | what is the equivelant to dreamweaver? |
| 16:59:10 | mark | sig: there isn't one. |
| 16:59:11 | | contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 16:59:11 | angryBSD | ibot, contest |
| 16:59:19 | BigBoss | QG is an IDE for web development |
| 16:59:20 | sig | mark: hehee |
| 16:59:28 | BigBoss | it has syntax highlighting for a whole bunch of languages |
| 16:59:30 | mark | sig: unfortunately. |
| 16:59:32 | BigBoss | PH Pcentric |
| 16:59:53 | erikd | mmm, quanta |
| 16:59:56 | angryBSD | ZauruSutra |
| 16:59:57 | BigBoss | what do you want to know specifically? |
| 17:00:07 | sig | too bad dreamweaver doesn't have a linux version |
| 17:00:08 | sig | :( |
| 17:00:13 | mark | sig: indeed |
| 17:01:36 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: around ? |
| 17:02:10 | fusion94 | kergoth`lunch: i have a signed contract now |
| 17:03:08 | ljp_ | fision: for what? |
| 17:03:43 | fusion94 | some work i'll be doing for sharp |
| 17:03:49 | ljp_ | code? |
| 17:03:52 | BigBoss | oh this is so cool, I just got a beta of our Race game for the Z, it is awesome |
| 17:04:07 | mark | BigBoss: stop tauting :) |
| 17:04:32 | fusion94 | ljp_: yeah more or less |
| 17:04:49 | ljp_ | fusion: web? |
| 17:04:56 | ljp_ | that great whatever it is |
| 17:05:18 | ljp_ | wich they'd feed my wallet |
| 17:05:22 | ljp_ | wish even |
| 17:05:37 | killefiz | join #opie |
| 17:05:37 | XavierXeon | BigBoss: is it like micromachines ? |
| 17:05:44 | fusion94 | ljp_: yeah i'll be doing a good portion of their developers network |
| 17:05:46 | Harlekin | killefiz: add a / |
| 17:05:55 | jbwiv | anyone know what controls the On/Off cancel button's input? I somehow managed to disable mine today. In other words, I could use it to shut the Z off (suspend), but only way I could get it to come back on was with a soft reset (flicking the battery switch). I had to restore a backup to fix the problem, but now I'm interested as to what might cause this behavior... |
| 17:06:04 | killefiz | Harlekin: yep - sorry |
| 17:06:39 | BigBoss | XavierXeon: what micrmachines? |
| 17:06:50 | angryBSD | ahh so many sharp people here |
| 17:07:33 | ljp_ | jbwiv: thats weird |
| 17:07:51 | angryBSD | killefiz - your ZSI is awesome |
| 17:07:57 | XavierXeon | BigBoss: http://www.micromachines.co.uk/mmv/mmv.htm |
| 17:07:57 | killefiz | angryBSD: thanks |
| 17:08:32 | jbwiv | ljp_: tell me about it ;) |
| 17:08:44 | jbwiv | It was getting pretty frustrating... |
| 17:09:17 | ljp_ | that was with the Sharp rom, right? |
| 17:09:17 | angryBSD | Xavier: haha, i remember playing that game a while ago on the PS |
| 17:09:52 | killefiz | micromachines is cool - is there a PS2-version? |
| 17:09:55 | jbwiv | ljp_: yes...hold on and I'll give you the ver. |
| 17:10:04 | mark | warmi: ur a windows guy. know of any good non-vim editors that will do php? |
| 17:10:17 | ljp_ | notepad |
| 17:10:18 | angryBSD | killefiz, i think it's only PS1 |
| 17:10:35 | mark | ljp_: thats the one! |
| 17:10:39 | XavierXeon | killefiz: there will be a PS2 version this autumn |
| 17:10:41 | jbwiv | ljp_: interesting...it's doing it again. Can't get it to turn on. Maybe this is a hardware problem? |
| 17:10:44 | killefiz | checks ebay to find a cheap copy of micromachines for ps |
| 17:11:04 | ljp_ | could be.. are you holding the cancel button? |
| 17:11:10 | | ...but whardier is can't control his aggressions, He picked on others 22 times.... |
| 17:11:10 | codemnky | ibot whardier is a crazy &^%$! |
| 17:11:22 | angryBSD | how hard is P2P 802.11b? |
| 17:11:23 | jbwiv | ljp_: yup. and again, the soft reset fixed it. Hold it after that, and it starts right up... :( |
| 17:11:36 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 6 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: kills it [Thu Jul 25 16:05:03 2002] |
| 17:11:36 | codemnky | ibot seen whardier |
| 17:11:46 | jbwiv | ljp_: makes me think it's a software prob |
| 17:11:59 | ljp_ | jbwiv: you have any thrid party apps installed? |
| 17:12:22 | jbwiv | ljp_: yes. One notable thing I installed this morning was XFree86 and icewm |
| 17:12:26 | warmi | mark: no :-) |
| 17:12:39 | warmi | mark: on Windows I use only VC++ |
| 17:12:43 | BigBoss | XavierXeon: ours is top down, doesn't have that 3d kind of look to it |
| 17:12:46 | jbwiv | I also have strategic assault and a few other utility apps |
| 17:12:47 | ljp_ | jbwiv: ahhhhhh there ya go.. its X11 |
| 17:12:49 | BigBoss | more like Pole Position I think |
| 17:12:59 | angryBSD | is it hard to use 802.11b person to person on the Z with Qt? |
| 17:12:59 | jbwiv | ljp_: really? what is causing it? |
| 17:13:13 | jbwiv | ljp_: or rather, how can I fix it? |
| 17:13:17 | mark | warmi: ah okay |
| 17:13:21 | ljp_ | most likely its that.. not sure how to fix it... |
| 17:13:26 | mark | warmi: i've found something that looks nice for $300 :) |
| 17:13:33 | XavierXeon | mark: are you looking for an windows editor with php highlight ? |
| 17:13:48 | mark | XavierXeon: yes. and i dont want it to be vim :) |
| 17:13:54 | ljp_ | notepad |
| 17:13:57 | ljp_ | heh |
| 17:14:03 | XavierXeon | mark: proton (its free) |
| 17:14:09 | mark | ljp_: that was fairly amusing the first time... |
| 17:14:16 | killefiz | mark: homesite |
| 17:14:18 | ljp_ | hahaha,.. ok, I'll shutup |
| 17:14:42 | angryBSD | Sniper, do you expect you will be doing another developer challenge? |
| 17:14:43 | jbwiv | make: don't know if anyone else has recommended it, but I used to love UltraEdit when working on Wincrap. I think it may set you back $20-$30 |
| 17:14:56 | jbwiv | s/make/mark/g |
| 17:15:12 | jbwiv | mark: jEdit is also an awesome GPL'd editor |
| 17:15:29 | jbwiv | ljp_: is there a way to fix this without uninstalling XFree86? thx |
| 17:15:31 | ljp_ | ultraedit is good, so is textedit. |
| 17:15:42 | angryBSD | /who *.sharpsec.* |
| 17:15:48 | angryBSD | oooops |
| 17:15:51 | ljp_ | jbwiv: not that I know of,.. thats a known bug |
| 17:15:55 | angryBSD | there we go |
| 17:16:00 | mark | XavierXeon, killefiz, jbwiv, ljp: thanks |
| 17:16:23 | Neo|Work | warmi: my newest work in progress: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot.png :-) |
| 17:16:24 | darienm | mark, looking for an editor for windows platform? |
| 17:16:24 | ljp_ | but notepad will work in a pinch ;) |
| 17:16:31 | jbwiv | ljp_: well that sucks royally. Any idea what portion of X is causing it? |
| 17:16:46 | angryBSD | Neo|Work, looks sexy |
| 17:16:50 | treke | cool |
| 17:16:50 | mark | darienm: yep |
| 17:16:51 | ljp_ | no.. but most likely its not X.. it qtopia |
| 17:17:01 | warmi | Neo|Work: whoa .. hehe , good idea |
| 17:17:07 | darienm | mark: I highly recommend EditPlus at http://www.editplus.com/ |
| 17:17:16 | jbwiv | ljp: ok, thanks. |
| 17:17:20 | treke | Neo|Work: Think you could possibly devote more screen space to your logo? :) |
| 17:17:28 | Neo|Work | warmi: allows me to add configurable things without having to modify source and resources of the games |
| 17:17:32 | ljp_ | there's also a Star Trek editor |
| 17:17:41 | tux_mike | huh? |
| 17:17:42 | Neo|Work | treke: Screen space isn't needed so otherwise it'd be empty... :P |
| 17:18:01 | | angryBSD: excuse me? |
| 17:18:01 | angryBSD | ibot, jext |
| 17:18:10 | treke | ya could put a biger listbox in there |
| 17:18:26 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs.shtml |
| 17:18:30 | benmeyer | Finally put them all up on the web |
| 17:18:33 | benmeyer | with source |
| 17:18:36 | benmeyer | were applicable |
| 17:18:49 | Neo|Work | treke: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot2.png :-) |
| 17:18:54 | mark | darienm: ok. something free would be nice though :) |
| 17:18:56 | ljp_ | mark: but mostly I use emacs |
| 17:19:04 | darienm | mark: its free |
| 17:19:05 | erikd | converts all the rpms over to debs and hopes they work |
| 17:19:09 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: Your installer doesnt' exit right for me |
| 17:19:11 | darienm | mark: if you dont pay its nagware |
| 17:19:15 | Neo|Work | to be exact, it sticks around and restarts itself |
| 17:19:17 | BigBoss | mark: have you tried QuantaGold yet? runs on windows and linux |
| 17:19:20 | mark | darienm: ah okay |
| 17:19:22 | darienm | mark: one extra button push each startup |
| 17:19:26 | mark | BigBoss: i'm being stingy :). |
| 17:19:32 | mark | ljp: /me pukes |
| 17:19:33 | benmeyer | Neo|Work what do you mean it doesn't exit right? |
| 17:19:35 | jbwiv | I'm trying to get going with qte/qpe development, but have limited success compiling/installing the various sources. I see there is an rpm called qtopia-free-1.5.0-1.i386.rpm. Does anyone know if this contains everything I need for development (outside of a cross compiler) or are there other things I need to install? Thanks as always... |
| 17:19:47 | [George-] | LSDVD,ooooh |
| 17:19:50 | ljp_ | mark: theres also xemacs |
| 17:20:23 | mark | whacks ljp_ |
| 17:20:24 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: same thing that happens to my app at times. You start it, you do something, you exit and the icon remains in the taskbar |
| 17:20:36 | Neo|Work | when you then exit another app, qtopia switches to it meaning restarts it |
| 17:20:47 | Neo|Work | so it doesn't exit from the point of view of Qtopia |
| 17:20:52 | codemnky | it's still for sale: |
| 17:20:54 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/chad/radioshack.jpg |
| 17:21:02 | tux_mike | sugar quote wcome |
| 17:21:02 | Sugar | tux_mike: Failed to parse reply! |
| 17:21:02 | Sugar | tux_mike: Debug : ({ }) |
| 17:21:11 | tux_mike | sugar quote aol |
| 17:21:11 | Sugar | tux_mike: AOL @ 2:26pm: 8.79 (-2.61 -22.89%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:21:16 | Neo|Work | one of the "10 most frustrating bugs in Qtopia" |
| 17:21:21 | Neo|Work | gesh, they are low |
| 17:21:30 | Neo|Work | what happened today? |
| 17:21:40 | tux_mike | SEC looking at their books |
| 17:21:59 | tux_mike | sugar quote rhat |
| 17:21:59 | Sugar | tux_mike: RHAT @ 2:26pm: 5.45 (-0.10 -1.80%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 17:22:08 | angryBSD | codemnky: pagemaker still owns |
| 17:22:08 | tux_mike | redhat seems to be doing ok |
| 17:22:12 | ljp_ | hehehe 8400 for mdos 3.3 |
| 17:22:15 | Neo|Work | damn, AOL has MASSIVE volume todayu |
| 17:22:36 | angryBSD | AOL is going down, now they're taking time warner with them |
| 17:22:37 | codemnky | angryBSD what's that? |
| 17:22:52 | angryBSD | codemnky: the application that the tandy computer is running in the picture |
| 17:22:59 | codemnky | right |
| 17:23:01 | angryBSD | codemnky: it's an adobe program |
| 17:23:04 | tux_mike | lol |
| 17:23:06 | codemnky | right |
| 17:23:16 | codemnky | i just saw pagemaker still owns |
| 17:23:22 | tux_mike | looks like aol's gonna fall off the face of the earth :) |
| 17:23:41 | codemnky | KNOCK ON WOOD |
| 17:23:54 | codemnky | why so tux_mike |
| 17:24:17 | tux_mike | codemnky: scandals |
| 17:24:25 | tux_mike | http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/020725/200207251421000937_1.html |
| 17:24:42 | angryBSD | sweet |
| 17:24:46 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/zaurus/backuprestore.shtml |
| 17:24:51 | benmeyer | backup only your settings! |
| 17:24:52 | benmeyer | weee |
| 17:25:14 | angryBSD | ben: you make too many applications ;) |
| 17:25:18 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 17:25:24 | benmeyer | I'll try to make less :-D |
| 17:25:36 | angryBSD | you'd better |
| 17:25:42 | mark | benmeyer: nice car |
| 17:25:56 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: does it backup stuff in /home/root that is NOT in Settings or Documents |
| 17:26:06 | kergoth`lunch | benmeyer: so did you redo the source to that one yet? |
| 17:26:07 | benmeyer | nope |
| 17:26:18 | benmeyer | kergoth: the backup app? |
| 17:26:27 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah.. wasnt that in your source dir you lost? |
| 17:26:28 | benmeyer | na, when I need it I will |
| 17:26:30 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: might be nice to have for backups of, say, Candy Cruncher and RocketElite/Bust'em settings etc. :) |
| 17:26:38 | benmeyer | yah |
| 17:26:40 | tux_mike | anyone here on right now who works on kde? |
| 17:26:47 | kergoth | benmeyer: opie is in dire need of a backup/restore app :-) |
| 17:26:53 | benmeyer | it can just backup the /home/root/Settings if you want |
| 17:26:53 | mark | tux_mike: pong |
| 17:26:56 | benmeyer | i.e. 5K |
| 17:27:02 | tgall_foo | kergoth: at what point does the kernel modules get copied into root/lib/modules ? |
| 17:27:02 | kergoth | benmeyer: imho anyway |
| 17:27:03 | benmeyer | tux_mike: I do |
| 17:27:06 | benmeyer | I work on kde |
| 17:27:17 | kergoth | tgall_foo: when it ipkg installs sources/ipks/kernel-modules*ipk :-P |
| 17:27:18 | benmeyer | am the kaudiocreator author |
| 17:27:19 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: well, I don't put my stuff in Settings because it's not the same files. I put them in $HOME |
| 17:27:22 | BZFlag | looks the reverse to me, time warner is dieing and taking aol with it. |
| 17:27:26 | kergoth | tux_mike: mark works on kdepim |
| 17:27:28 | tux_mike | mark/benmeyer: how can i put in a feature request for a config option to turn off tooltips |
| 17:27:28 | kergoth | re BZFlag |
| 17:27:29 | Neo|Work | an option to backup the whole $HOME would be nice |
| 17:27:42 | benmeyer | Neo|Work oh |
| 17:27:46 | BZFlag | kergoth: might be headed to India next week. |
| 17:27:46 | tgall_foo | kergoth: hmmm ok ... so I gotta force install it since everything is already installed! |
| 17:27:52 | kergoth | BZFlag: what for? |
| 17:27:58 | benmeyer | tux_mike: for what app |
| 17:28:09 | kergoth | tgall_foo: could try that.. i dunno.. that's the ipk that contains them though |
| 17:28:14 | mark | tux_mike: bugs.kde.org |
| 17:28:14 | BZFlag | kergoth: Jesons/Infomart Kaii SH3 PDA. |
| 17:28:17 | benmeyer | BZFlag: what company in india? |
| 17:28:20 | tux_mike | well, perferablly all, if not just the base stuff in kde |
| 17:28:27 | kergoth | BZFlag: ahh.. new project? |
| 17:28:30 | benmeyer | fun |
| 17:28:37 | tux_mike | hates most tooltips |
| 17:28:41 | BZFlag | not new, just behind schedule. |
| 17:28:42 | benmeyer | tux_mike: hmm suggest it on the mailinglist |
| 17:28:47 | tux_mike | k |
| 17:28:48 | kergoth | BZFlag : ahh.. |
| 17:28:52 | tux_mike | i'll do it on tuesday :) |
| 17:29:01 | tgall_foo | kergoth: well I guess I mean since my root is already fully populated from the build (but with the older kernel) ... gotta kick ipkg to install the new stuff right? |
| 17:29:06 | mark | tux_mike: although its a qt thing really probably |
| 17:29:06 | tgall_foo | or do I have my brain on backwords? |
| 17:29:23 | kergoth | tgall_foo: with the older kernel? i'mconfused |
| 17:29:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:29:49 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: hey, can you get me a sample of those so I can port my stuff? :)) |
| 17:29:50 | tgall_foo | meaning I have an older kernel in my root dir now ... just rebuild the kernel ... now I wanna get the new kernel into the root tree |
| 17:29:53 | tux_mike | mark: my biggest problem is most of the tooltips don't go away |
| 17:30:01 | tgall_foo | so -force-reinstall looks like what I need |
| 17:30:19 | Neo|Work | I tried KOrganizer on my Z yesterday. man, it's useless! |
| 17:30:21 | kergoth | tgall_foo: ahhh yeah.. what i generally do is up SubVersion in configs/kernel.mk when i do a new kernel build.. then ipkg installs the new modules ipk on its own |
| 17:30:23 | Neo|Work | slow as hell and cluttered! |
| 17:30:26 | tux_mike | and if i close a window without makeing sure all the tips are gone, i've got this tip just hanging in mid air |
| 17:30:27 | kergoth | tgall_foo: yeah --force-reinstall will work fine |
| 17:30:28 | Neo|Work | I can't believe it won the contest |
| 17:30:34 | Neo|Work | it's SO not good on the PDa |
| 17:30:39 | tgall_foo | ah... good magic to know about subversions! |
| 17:30:42 | kergoth | Neo|Work: its damn good, but the interface blows. |
| 17:30:51 | mark | as kergoth says ;) |
| 17:30:54 | kergoth | tgall_foo: when you change version, it'll notice there's no valid ipk for that version, and rebuild |
| 17:31:00 | Neo|Work | kergoth: it might be capable but is way too slow and with awful interface |
| 17:31:02 | BZFlag | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8619741565.html |
| 17:31:07 | Neo|Work | so I'd never consider using it |
| 17:31:14 | treke | doesnt like integrated apps like korganizer |
| 17:31:18 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yeh. id use it even slow if the interface was better |
| 17:31:22 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: if you have a contact address for them, feel free to send it over. :) |
| 17:31:23 | Neo|Work | I wouldn't |
| 17:31:25 | Neo|Work | it's just painful |
| 17:31:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:31:35 | kergoth | I just like that todo deadlines show on the calander :-) |
| 17:31:39 | Neo|Work | it's like... using KDE on a desktop!!! |
| 17:31:42 | kergoth | but thats coming in the opie cross-reference anyway |
| 17:31:46 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: ping me in a couple weeks on it. I'm just getting started digging in. |
| 17:31:46 | jbwiv | to anyone: is there a package I can download that contains all libraries (qt, qte, qpe) needed for qte/qpe development? I'm trying to get started but am a definite qt newbie, and having a few odd problems installing from source. I've been spinning my wheels for days :). Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 17:31:52 | mark | wonders what contest judges were on. |
| 17:31:52 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: ok |
| 17:32:00 | treke | mark: crack |
| 17:32:00 | kergoth | too |
| 17:32:16 | treke | pure unadulterated crack |
| 17:32:16 | benmeyer | jbwiv: have you seen the howtos page yet? |
| 17:32:19 | Neo|Work | mark: you know, I seriously wonder. Especially annoying that we never say the scores even for the winning apps |
| 17:32:23 | | howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 17:32:23 | benmeyer | ibot howtos |
| 17:32:24 | | contest judges is were on crack |
| 17:32:24 | angryBSD | ibot, contest judges |
| 17:32:30 | | you are the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 17:32:30 | benmeyer | ibot me |
| 17:32:31 | angryBSD | wow they were |
| 17:32:32 | Neo|Work | the whole contest were handled VERY badly |
| 17:32:36 | mark | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 17:32:42 | warmi | NeoTron: froot won .. that's all we needed to know :-) |
| 17:32:43 | mark | i mean, what was up with Froot winning.... |
| 17:32:43 | angryBSD | benmeyer: ibot likes you more than sniper |
| 17:32:49 | | sniper is a Sharp marketing slave. or evil |
| 17:32:49 | benmeyer | ibot sniper |
| 17:32:54 | benmeyer | hahahahah |
| 17:33:16 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:33:29 | kergoth | mark: i liked froot, but its too damn easy |
| 17:33:36 | kergoth | mark: i played it for about 8 minutes, then uninstalled it |
| 17:33:58 | mark | kergoth: its a nice game, but when compared to stuff like SA and puzzle... |
| 17:34:00 | benmeyer | yah 1 level wo ho |
| 17:34:00 | [George-] | OK |
| 17:34:05 | kergoth | mark: yeah.. |
| 17:34:07 | [George-] | I gtg |
| 17:34:12 | kergoth | mark: i wouldnt buy it :-) |
| 17:34:13 | [George-] | bye all |
| 17:34:13 | Neo|Work | Not saying I should have won (becuase Eligo sure wasn't the best there) but Froot?! It's kind of fun and but it even lacks sound effects and the gfx isn't the best, and the fruit fly oddly at imes |
| 17:34:18 | [George-] | Frooooooooooooot r0x0rs |
| 17:34:22 | [George-] | :) |
| 17:34:27 | kergoth | Neo|Work: and its too easy!! |
| 17:34:30 | kergoth | i hated that |
| 17:34:38 | benmeyer | int13 kicked most all of the apps |
| 17:34:39 | Neo|Work | it does have a number of difficulty levels though |
| 17:34:46 | codemnky | COOL! |
| 17:34:51 | Neo|Work | I have so far never won the two hardest ones I think |
| 17:34:55 | [George-] | int13? |
| 17:34:57 | mark | kergoth: nor would I :) |
| 17:34:58 | codemnky | AOL BAD GOOD FOR ME! |
| 17:34:59 | benmeyer | yah |
| 17:35:03 | kergoth | Neo|Work: but you complete everything up until those two levels in like 10 minutes :-P |
| 17:35:03 | treke | SA probably could have taken the games category if it had been judged |
| 17:35:05 | tux_mike | neo: they are on crack, how's that for an answer? |
| 17:35:09 | angryBSD | *.sharpsec.com: why dont you have a java on zaurus challenge set up like the Qt challenge, as opposed to a competition |
| 17:35:30 | benmeyer | because we already ran a qt challange like the current java |
| 17:35:31 | mark | treke: it so should have been puzz-le |
| 17:35:31 | Neo|Work | treke: SA _WAS_ judged. it was however added as a "judge this in 5 minutes" deal |
| 17:35:33 | benmeyer | and the sponser decided |
| 17:35:33 | treke | angryBSD: The challenge was to clear out stock of 5000sa |
| 17:35:36 | benmeyer | which is SUN |
| 17:35:42 | benmeyer | or something like that |
| 17:35:42 | kergoth | mark: i agree, i think puzz-le shouldve won |
| 17:35:48 | Neo|Work | so I doubt it wasn't judged fairly - it was the reason for the last delay i think |
| 17:35:50 | ljp_ | gutenbrowser didnt win caus ethe developer was a divot head |
| 17:36:02 | tux_mike | ljp: you got that right! |
| 17:36:06 | ljp_ | hehe |
| 17:36:08 | [George-] | I think Convert should have won!!! *G* |
| 17:36:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:36:09 | angryBSD | treke: o |
| 17:36:15 | mark | Neo|Work: ah I see. so how did froot manage to beat it? odd. |
| 17:36:31 | angryBSD | did somebody with the nick "drago" ever participate in a challenge |
| 17:36:42 | Neo|Work | I still want to see the scores and I find it highly suspect that thye never were published |
| 17:36:50 | angryBSD | convert's actually a good program |
| 17:36:51 | ljp_ | ya gutenbrowser's developer discovered some nasty bugs the day after the contest entries weredue |
| 17:36:51 | [George-] | ok |
| 17:36:53 | [George-] | I'm off |
| 17:36:54 | [George-] | bye ppl |
| 17:36:58 | Neo|Work | well, perhaps not suspect, but whatever |
| 17:37:03 | kergoth | ljp_: ack. damn murphy. |
| 17:37:18 | ljp_ | ya.. I should have seen them tho.. my bad |
| 17:37:22 | numatrix | Anyone tried the exult port yet? |
| 17:37:23 | mark | Neo|Work: yeh, they made out as if it was very rigorous with all the sections and ratings and crap |
| 17:37:34 | mark | benmeyer: can you clarify what 'music theory with tones' means on the application list? |
| 17:37:39 | XavierXeon | ljp_: you must know the gutenbrowser developer very well ;-) |
| 17:37:56 | ljp_ | hhehehe yep he sleeps in my bed every night |
| 17:38:02 | mark | kinky... |
| 17:38:06 | Neo|Work | mark: right, they had these nice weighted scores but we never get to see them? Or even know what the scale and _total_ scores are? |
| 17:38:06 | kergoth | aha |
| 17:38:08 | numatrix | ljp_: your cat again? |
| 17:38:11 | kergoth | mark: thats EXACTLy what i was typing |
| 17:38:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:38:21 | mark | kergoth: hehe :) |
| 17:38:22 | Neo|Work | would be funny to request an audit of the contest. |
| 17:38:27 | ljp_ | no, my cats developing a challenger app |
| 17:38:30 | jbwiv | ljp_: sorry to keep bugging you about this, but I uninstalled X, restored an old backup, and now the Cancel button turns the Z on, but only on the second press. I press it once, nothing. I press it again, and it starts right up. Do you have any idea what I need to do? |
| 17:38:32 | mark | kergoth: great minds think alike ey? |
| 17:38:37 | numatrix | Oh right; my bad. ;-) |
| 17:38:42 | kergoth | mark: indeed |
| 17:39:08 | kergoth | hm, i should buy quanta gold |
| 17:39:09 | mark | I think its silly not letting old winners enter this contest. |
| 17:39:24 | mark | kergoth: when you've got it, send my a copy ey? :) |
| 17:39:36 | ljp_ | jbwiv: sometimes you have to hold it awhile I've found |
| 17:39:48 | kergoth | mark: bigboss would hunt me down and shoot me :-) |
| 17:39:49 | treke | mark: Make sense, they want more developers, not just the same few people |
| 17:39:51 | prpplague | jbwiv: are you running the standard sharp image or are you running the OZ image? |
| 17:40:01 | treke | besudes, who wants two sl5000s |
| 17:40:03 | jbwiv | prpplague: standard sharp image... |
| 17:40:22 | mark | kergoth: heh, I was only joking :) |
| 17:40:23 | jbwiv | ROM version 2.20 |
| 17:40:32 | kergoth | mark: so was i ;-) |
| 17:40:43 | kergoth | mmm friend chicken |
| 17:41:00 | kergoth | kfc rocks |
| 17:41:01 | prpplague | jbwiv: the x ipkg replaces the standard apm daemon with one created to work with x, however from what i can tell from testing, the daemon is buggy and not interpreting the wakup event |
| 17:41:09 | tux_mike | kergoth: for you, http://www.pimprig.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=72 |
| 17:41:14 | angryBSD | benmeyer: is there something explaining how to do 802.11b development with qt/zaurus? |
| 17:41:22 | mark | has a nosebleed |
| 17:41:37 | jbwiv | prpplague: well that sucks. So, if I flash the rom will it fix this? |
| 17:41:38 | kergoth | mark: stop picking it |
| 17:41:58 | mark | kergoth: lol, i wasn't, honest! |
| 17:42:14 | prpplague | jbwiv: i've tried it on several different rom images, the older rom images seem to work better, and if you want to go back to just a fresh sharp rom image with no x, the problem should go away |
| 17:42:15 | ljp_ | jbwiv: probably so |
| 17:42:15 | kergoth | thats what they all say :-P |
| 17:42:17 | tgall_foo | kergoth: ummm at bootup time ... which init does oz init with? |
| 17:42:23 | kergoth | tgall_foo: sysvinit |
| 17:42:31 | kergoth | tgall_foo: busybox init sucks. I like my runlevels :-) |
| 17:42:38 | tgall_foo | yeah well me too 8-) |
| 17:42:39 | prpplague | jbwiv: i'm currently working on a rebuild of the package for use with the OZ rom |
| 17:42:52 | whardier | cold calls are the devil |
| 17:42:54 | tgall_foo | got a no init from the kernel... so wondering what I should pass in as init= |
| 17:42:59 | mark | treke: they're just stopping some devels who would create really decent apps from entering, and letting the ones who wrote apps that didn't win last time not tenter |
| 17:43:02 | jbwiv | prpplague and ljp_: cool, thanks. Btw, what's the status of OZ in terms of reliablity? |
| 17:43:04 | whardier | having to do them atleast |
| 17:43:15 | kergoth | tux_mike: aha.. that page took a long ass time to load.. thats insane.. and temping.. :-P |
| 17:43:17 | kergoth | whardier: yeh |
| 17:43:31 | prpplague | jbwiv: i'm still new to OZ so you might put that to ljp or kergoth |
| 17:43:36 | ljp_ | kergoth: are you going to add a boot to console option soon ;) |
| 17:43:54 | ljp_ | OZ works fine fo rme |
| 17:43:54 | kergoth | ljp_: oh yeah, i always forget about that.. need to write up a bootup menu |
| 17:43:55 | codemnky | codemnky has some caffenated alcohol for whardier |
| 17:44:21 | jbwiv | kergoth: what's the status of OZ? Has it stabilized somewhat? |
| 17:44:23 | ljp_ | but OZ currently wont sync due to a security patch, until qtopiadesktop catches up |
| 17:44:24 | kergoth | ljp_: some of the shit they didnt release the source to really annoys me |
| 17:44:39 | ljp_ | heheh yep |
| 17:44:41 | kergoth | jbwiv: yes, quite a bit. oipkg still sucks though, and it doesnt sync until i release a maintainance rom |
| 17:44:42 | jbwiv | ljp_: ok. thanks. |
| 17:44:55 | jbwiv | kergoth: great. thanks! |
| 17:45:02 | kergoth | np |
| 17:45:28 | ljp_ | kergoth: it was zeckes idea of having two taskbar packages.. one with security, and one with the security bypass patch |
| 17:45:38 | kergoth | ljp_: yeah, its a good one |
| 17:45:54 | kergoth | ljp_: ill do that in the feed for oz soon. heh |
| 17:46:07 | kergoth | Mickey0: ping |
| 17:46:08 | tgall_foo | kergoth: so /etc/init.d/rcS is the entry point? |
| 17:46:23 | kergoth | tgall_foo: define entry point |
| 17:46:37 | kergoth | tgall_foo: kernel calls init, init parses inittab, then rcS happens to be an early line in the inittab |
| 17:46:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:47:40 | tgall_foo | hmmmm |
| 17:47:55 | toolafial | usually gets lost when dealing with init scripts |
| 17:48:12 | tgall_foo | well it helps when ya build sysvinit! duh! |
| 17:48:24 | toolafial | too many init scripts to keep track of |
| 17:48:31 | kergoth | tgall_foo: lol |
| 17:48:46 | kergoth | toolafial: I learned shell scripting by reading the init scripts of my first linux system :-) |
| 17:49:16 | toolafial | well, I know that but I get lost when one script calls 5 others then they call 5 others etc etc |
| 17:49:22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:49:29 | kergoth | draw a map :-) |
| 17:49:45 | toolafial | that's what I usually do |
| 17:49:53 | tgall_foo | follow the yellow brick road |
| 17:49:58 | kergoth | I diagram all the damn time.. helps me understand things conceptually |
| 17:50:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:50:24 | toolafial | I'm a visual learner too |
| 17:50:42 | toolafial | I draw all kinds of pictures when I'm coding |
| 17:51:22 | ljp_ | stick figures? |
| 17:51:53 | toolafial | yea, and each stick figure represents a function |
| 17:52:10 | toolafial | see he takes this here and does this with it, then he hands it back off .... |
| 17:52:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:53:00 | toolafial | stupid stupid stupid windows, |
| 17:53:56 | warmi | it has to be the first step in the update process |
| 17:53:56 | toolafial | now waits for the stupid scandisk to run ... |
| 17:57:31 | warmi | Neo|Work: are you around ? |
| 17:59:15 | Neo|Work | warmi: that I am |
| 18:00:06 | warmi | Neo|Work: did you get any requests for full versions of your games for reviews on PDA related sites ? |
| 18:00:34 | Neo|Work | only once |
| 18:00:38 | Neo|Work | the SA review |
| 18:00:46 | warmi | from whom ? |
| 18:00:47 | XavierXeon | anyone tried the custom keyboard with oz ? |
| 18:00:53 | warmi | BestPDA or something liek that ? |
| 18:00:54 | Neo|Work | Pyrogon got a query on Candy Cruncher though |
| 18:00:57 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: I think I have an intelligent question now...have you figured out how oncheck determines whether the device has been HW or SW reset? I fired up a hex editor on it and it seems to be using the apm device to determine this...how, I have no idea... |
| 18:01:09 | Neo|Work | warmi: no, infosync.no and only because I suggested it to them |
| 18:01:09 | darienm | XavierXeon: by custom keyboard you mean the input applet? |
| 18:01:16 | warmi | ah ok |
| 18:01:41 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: apm? odd.. i'd think itd use /dev/mem to check the actual register.. |
| 18:01:45 | XavierXeon | dariem: yes |
| 18:02:14 | darienm | XavierXeon: I worked with the develooper on that one, let me know what you fiind out. Is it misbehaving for you? |
| 18:02:51 | kergoth | yawns |
| 18:03:06 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: mind doing a strace on it? that'll give you a better idea |
| 18:03:20 | warmi | anyone interested in loading/reading multiple image formats should look into this package :http://www.6ixsoft.com/intro.html#features |
| 18:03:21 | XavierXeon | dariem: no. i use on us sharp rom now to emulate german keyboard layout. |
| 18:03:21 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa; perhaps email me the output? :-) i have to replace it with an open source version one of these days... |
| 18:03:29 | Neo|Work | warmi: btw, I might add information about games that aren't installed into eonconfig - like a small image and some teaser text. :) |
| 18:03:36 | warmi | FreeImage library that can read like 20 formats AND has Qt bindings |
| 18:03:39 | darienm | XavierXeon: excellent, that's what its for :) |
| 18:03:42 | kergoth | warmi: sweet |
| 18:03:55 | Neo|Work | warmi: and I'm sure it's large enough too. :P |
| 18:04:07 | Neo|Work | PNG + JPEG are enough on the Zaurus ihmo |
| 18:04:14 | warmi | 600 Kb DLL on Windows |
| 18:04:20 | Neo|Work | huge |
| 18:04:24 | warmi | but it even reads Photoshop images |
| 18:04:36 | warmi | it is not for game related stuff |
| 18:04:49 | warmi | more like for people who want to write viewers, graphics editors for the ZAursu |
| 18:04:49 | [DrEvil] | I wish Glubco were sill around |
| 18:04:52 | warmi | ZAurus etc |
| 18:06:12 | Neo|Work | question is, how well do the codecs work on the zaurus? |
| 18:06:20 | Neo|Work | limited memory and all that |
| 18:10:00 | kergoth | ah, finally caught up with lkml |
| 18:10:02 | kergoth | takes a breath |
| 18:10:17 | kergoth | man this d/l of the iso's for debian 3.0 is taking a long time |
| 18:10:55 | kergoth | re iang |
| 18:11:06 | iang | hi |
| 18:11:27 | W|GGL|T | bill works for worldcom? |
| 18:11:34 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: yeh |
| 18:12:05 | Neo|Work | warmi: I take it you got a query from another PDA reviewing site? |
| 18:12:15 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 18:12:33 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: Ah, thanks for reminding me that I need to fix RocketElite blitting. :P |
| 18:12:37 | Neo|Work | on 3800 |
| 18:12:58 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah I got one from some site I can't remember now .. they had reviews for all your games ( PPC versions) |
| 18:13:37 | VerxWork | heh. I didn't know you had RocketElite out for it. /me downloads right away |
| 18:15:45 | warmi | then you can basically do something like btnNext.setGeometry(x,y,width,height) |
| 18:18:43 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: just the demo |
| 18:19:13 | Neo|Work | warmi: ah. this site CC got a main about about is planning a Zaurus (Linux/ Qtopia whatever) section |
| 18:19:15 | Neo|Work | it seems |
| 18:19:46 | erikd | hey, what're the differences between the 5000 and the 5000D? |
| 18:19:52 | erikd | are they big? |
| 18:19:55 | Jerakeen | there's no 5000. |
| 18:19:57 | codemnky | the D |
| 18:20:01 | Jerakeen | there's 5000d and 5500 |
| 18:20:04 | erikd | err |
| 18:20:07 | codemnky | heh |
| 18:20:13 | erikd | what's the difference? :) |
| 18:20:29 | kergoth | 32 megs |
| 18:20:35 | erikd | ah |
| 18:20:43 | kergoth | 5500 has 64 of ram, 5000d has 32 of ram |
| 18:20:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:20:55 | erikd | didn't notice that |
| 18:21:14 | XavierXeon | you get sl-5000d for free if you enter the new sharp contest |
| 18:21:54 | angryBSD | and the sl-5500 costs a lot more than the 5000 on ebay :) |
| 18:22:28 | erikd | xavier: yeah, that's why i was wondering |
| 18:22:37 | Neo|Work | angryBSD: I'm sure BestBuy still has $314 or so Z's for sale |
| 18:22:40 | Neo|Work | unless they are out |
| 18:22:49 | angryBSD | 5500s? |
| 18:23:09 | angryBSD | lol i just ran over my dog with my chair |
| 18:23:10 | angryBSD | oops |
| 18:24:58 | VerxWork | kergoth: so the 5000D has 16MB of ROM for the ROM image, and 32MB of RAM for both running applications and for storage? |
| 18:25:06 | Neo|Work | angryBSD: yes, 5500 |
| 18:25:17 | angryBSD | wow sweet |
| 18:25:19 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: yes |
| 18:25:24 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 18:25:28 | codemnky | the 5500xls is sweetiest |
| 18:25:33 | angryBSD | id much rather enter the challenge |
| 18:25:39 | VerxWork | would be going from 32MB ROM + 64MB RAM to half that on both |
| 18:25:41 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: it's not enough in case you wonder. :) |
| 18:25:45 | kergoth | VerxWork: yes. |
| 18:25:49 | angryBSD | but my idea has already been done :) |
| 18:26:00 | sieve | tell me about the sharp contest please. Link? |
| 18:26:02 | Neo|Work | angryBSD: what idea is that? |
| 18:26:04 | | i heard contest was http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 18:26:04 | Neo|Work | ibot contest |
| 18:26:06 | kergoth | VerxWork: 32mb of flash + 64 ram would be nice.. heh |
| 18:26:17 | angryBSD | the homework/assignment manager |
| 18:26:18 | sieve | thanks |
| 18:26:22 | Neo|Work | it's a "challenge' not a "contest" meaning you get a price for doing one of the apps but that's it. :) |
| 18:27:01 | angryBSD | ^prize |
| 18:27:28 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 18:27:29 | angryBSD | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?catalog=80&jid=9E2F7CE52A4DEAA71EF9F4EABXDED534&platformId=9&productId=30178&productType=2§ionId=0&siteId=423&zsortParams=true |
| 18:27:49 | angryBSD | thats what i wanted to do, except that theirs is commercial (booo) |
| 18:29:04 | Neo|Work | make a free one. :P |
| 18:29:33 | whardier | my cat is assuming 35% of my screen real estate |
| 18:29:36 | XavierXeon | angrybsd: whats the name of the app ? (hard to follow links on the Z) |
| 18:29:50 | angryBSD | "ClassMate" |
| 18:29:51 | Neo|Work | one of our cats keep bringing home friends |
| 18:29:55 | whardier | haha |
| 18:29:59 | Neo|Work | quite annoying - we already have enough cats |
| 18:30:02 | whardier | ho kitty |
| 18:30:24 | angryBSD | theres a bunch of free ones for palm OS |
| 18:30:28 | Neo|Work | Wohoo. SA is #4 bestselling app now |
| 18:30:31 | Neo|Work | GO SA! |
| 18:30:55 | killefiz | Neo|Work: Did the "sale" push your sales? |
| 18:31:06 | angryBSD | Neo|Work: you made SA? :) |
| 18:31:11 | Neo|Work | killefiz: too early to tell |
| 18:31:16 | Neo|Work | angryBSD: made the port |
| 18:31:31 | angryBSD | Neo|Work: ohh, ported it from.. java? |
| 18:31:59 | Neo|Work | Pocket PC |
| 18:32:00 | | openzaurus is, like, a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 18:32:00 | numatrix | ibot: openzaurus |
| 18:32:16 | codemnky | programmers beware: http://www.drinksparks.com/ |
| 18:32:49 | Neo|Work | is the number one game porting business for the Zaurus. :P |
| 18:32:57 | Neo|Work | probably the only (commercial) one |
| 18:33:02 | nadav | heh |
| 18:33:17 | angryBSD | lol |
| 18:33:36 | Neo|Work | codemnky: so is it any good? :P |
| 18:34:09 | codemnky | mighty tasty |
| 18:34:18 | killefiz | has anyone tried exult? |
| 18:34:21 | codemnky | makes my eye twitch funny though |
| 18:34:25 | whardier | haha |
| 18:34:28 | whardier | I want some shipped to me |
| 18:34:33 | benmeyer | wow |
| 18:34:34 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:34:37 | angryBSD | if only i had 2 zauruses and 2 802.11b CF cards i could make that matchmaking app in order to win a 5000d ;) |
| 18:34:47 | benmeyer | reminds me of the time I got 80lbs of Jolt sent to me. |
| 18:34:49 | angryBSD | err, earn for development a 5000d;) |
| 18:34:54 | benmeyer | I couldn't hold the mouse |
| 18:35:03 | codemnky | it like a redbull with beer and a vodca chaser |
| 18:35:11 | Neo|Work | codemnky: alcohol, caffeine... would make for interesting programming |
| 18:35:37 | codemnky | you too drunk to fall alseep |
| 18:35:39 | codemnky | your |
| 18:35:39 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: 80 POUNDS of Jolt? Damm lucky that |
| 18:35:51 | numatrix | angryBSD: Why would you need that to test it? |
| 18:35:55 | codemnky | nightmarish almost |
| 18:35:58 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 18:36:03 | numatrix | angryBSD: Also; a friend of mine just submitted his application for that app. :-) |
| 18:36:11 | angryBSD | dayom :) |
| 18:36:14 | George- | hi |
| 18:36:22 | numatrix | angryBSD: Sorry... |
| 18:36:25 | angryBSD | if i had any idea about 802.11b with Qt i would have done that |
| 18:36:31 | Neo|Work | once I fix TCP networking for RocketElite I would want to test it over the internet. :P too laggy for good play I'm sure but still. :) |
| 18:36:43 | angryBSD | it's alright, if I had known how to do it i would have had it anyway |
| 18:37:00 | numatrix | angryBSD: The trick is that you don't have to do anything with 802.11. Just use the network card as a local network. And if you do decide to use it in ad-hoc mode and do it yourself, it's not that hard. |
| 18:37:12 | Neo|Work | kergoth: was looking for you yesterday - ever figured out how to do serial IR? |
| 18:37:13 | angryBSD | ohh |
| 18:37:21 | angryBSD | numatrix: that makes sense |
| 18:37:53 | | well, contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 18:37:53 | angryBSD | ibot, contest |
| 18:38:02 | VerxWork | warmi, are you still here? |
| 18:38:04 | | OK, angryBSD. |
| 18:38:04 | angryBSD | ibot, challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 18:38:12 | warmi | VerxHome: yeah |
| 18:38:26 | VerxWork | I am having the weirdest problem installing the toolset on my work machine |
| 18:38:27 | | Neo|Work: i'm not following you... |
| 18:38:27 | Neo|Work | ibot 5000 |
| 18:38:35 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:38:35 | Neo|Work | ibot 5000 is SL-5000D |
| 18:38:36 | VerxWork | I have a win2k notebook I use for work |
| 18:38:38 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:38:38 | Neo|Work | ibot 5000D is SL-5000D |
| 18:38:45 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:38:45 | Neo|Work | ibot 5500 is SL-5500 |
| 18:38:56 | | angryBSD: excuse me? |
| 18:38:56 | angryBSD | ibot, neo |
| 18:38:59 | VerxWork | I installed visual studio 6, then service pack 5 for it, then the qtwin230-noncommercial |
| 18:39:07 | | OK, angryBSD. |
| 18:39:07 | angryBSD | ibot neo is 100% beef |
| 18:39:08 | | i guess neo is 100% beef |
| 18:39:09 | angryBSD | ibot neo |
| 18:39:10 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:39:10 | Neo|Work | ibot SL-5500 is the first Linux based retail version of the Zaurus. It has 64 MB RAM and 16 MB ROM. |
| 18:39:24 | | angryBSD: huh? |
| 18:39:24 | angryBSD | ibot silence |
| 18:39:26 | | angryBSD: what? |
| 18:39:26 | angryBSD | ibot silencer |
| 18:39:30 | angryBSD | hey |
| 18:39:35 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:39:35 | Neo|Work | ibot SL-5000D is the developer version of the Linux based Zaurus. It has 32 MB RAM and 16 MB ROM. |
| 18:39:36 | VerxWork | but when I go to tools/customize->addins/macro files |
| 18:39:47 | | somebody said sniper was a Sharp marketing slave. or evil |
| 18:39:47 | angryBSD | ibot, sniper |
| 18:40:06 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:40:06 | Neo|Work | ibot SL-5500G is the German version of the SL-5500 |
| 18:40:12 | VerxWork | There isn't even an option called "QMsDev Developer Studio-Add-In" |
| 18:40:28 | VerxWork | I had it right away on my home system (runs XP) |
| 18:40:31 | | ...but a300 is <reply> http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or the new pda that Sharp has put out in Japan... |
| 18:40:31 | Neo|Work | ibot A300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot |
| 18:40:40 | | okay, Neo|Work. |
| 18:40:40 | Neo|Work | ibot A300 is also the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot |
| 18:40:44 | XavierXeon | verxwork: you have to find the dll manually |
| 18:40:48 | | http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or the new pda that Sharp has put out in Japan or the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot |
| 18:40:48 | angryBSD | ibot a300 |
| 18:40:50 | Neo|Work | there |
| 18:40:55 | VerxWork | XavierXeon: I didn't at home. . . |
| 18:41:05 | VerxWork | XavierXeon: It seems to be looking for a .dsm file |
| 18:41:10 | | ...but ibot is "the" bot around... |
| 18:41:10 | codemnky | ibot ibot is crazy |
| 18:41:12 | angryBSD | NO CF SLOT?? |
| 18:41:15 | VerxWork | if I try to browse for it |
| 18:41:22 | George- | no, it sucks =P |
| 18:41:27 | | it has been said that angrybsd is one silly motherfucker |
| 18:41:27 | angryBSD | ibot angrybsd |
| 18:41:56 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:41:56 | Neo|Work | ibot SL-5600 is the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. |
| 18:41:57 | VerxWork | angryBSD: No keyboard either |
| 18:42:00 | XavierXeon | verxwork: i installed it to a XP today. had to lokk for qmsdev.dll manually |
| 18:42:09 | benmeyer | http://fifalere.tripod.com/review/mancala.html |
| 18:42:14 | VerxWork | qmsdev.dll, ok, lemme find it - thanks |
| 18:42:24 | warmi | VerxHome: I had the some problem :-) |
| 18:42:27 | | Neo|Work: I forgot a300 |
| 18:42:27 | Neo|Work | ibot forget A300 |
| 18:42:31 | benmeyer | nooooooo |
| 18:42:37 | | bugger all, i dunno, angrybsd |
| 18:42:37 | angryBSD | ibot battery time is what the zaurus doesnt have |
| 18:42:38 | | ...but ibot is "the" bot around... |
| 18:42:38 | benmeyer | ibot you are evil! |
| 18:42:45 | VerxWork | I guess I just got lucky on my home system then |
| 18:42:51 | benmeyer | but you are evil ibot |
| 18:42:54 | | OK, benmeyer. |
| 18:42:54 | benmeyer | ibot you are |
| 18:42:55 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:42:55 | Neo|Work | ibot A300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html |
| 18:42:58 | | i think i am "the" bot around |
| 18:42:58 | benmeyer | ibot ibot |
| 18:43:14 | | br33zy: huh? |
| 18:43:14 | br33zy | ibot no your not |
| 18:43:16 | br33zy | excuse me? |
| 18:43:19 | | br33zy: i'm not following you... |
| 18:43:19 | br33zy | ibot huh |
| 18:43:21 | | br33zy: excuse me? |
| 18:43:21 | br33zy | ibot huh |
| 18:43:25 | | George-: excuse me? |
| 18:43:25 | George- | ibot A300 also sucks because it uses Xscale |
| 18:43:25 | br33zy | hehee |
| 18:43:33 | | br33zy: what? |
| 18:43:33 | br33zy | ibot ibot sucks |
| 18:43:34 | | ...but you suck is <reply> If you got $5 I'll do more than that!... |
| 18:43:34 | angryBSD | ibot you suck is SCREW YOU TOO BUDDY |
| 18:43:41 | | okay, George-. |
| 18:43:42 | George- | ibot A300 is also it sucks because it uses Xscale |
| 18:43:47 | | well, A300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale |
| 18:43:47 | George- | ibot A300? |
| 18:43:50 | | angryBSD: I forgot you suck |
| 18:43:50 | angryBSD | ibot forget you suck |
| 18:43:55 | George- | coooool |
| 18:43:57 | tux_mike | George-: xscale is higer performance |
| 18:43:59 | | OK, angryBSD. |
| 18:43:59 | angryBSD | ibot you suck is SCREW YOU TOO BIATCH |
| 18:44:01 | | angryBSD: sorry... |
| 18:44:01 | angryBSD | ibot you suck! |
| 18:44:02 | | ibot is, like, "the" bot around |
| 18:44:02 | br33zy | ibot what ibot |
| 18:44:05 | | angryBSD: sorry... |
| 18:44:05 | angryBSD | ibot you suck |
| 18:44:08 | | ...but zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of ibot's hand.... |
| 18:44:08 | Neo|Work | ibot Zaurus is the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. |
| 18:44:09 | angryBSD | aww |
| 18:44:09 | | br33zy: huh? |
| 18:44:10 | br33zy | ibot ibot ibot ibot |
| 18:44:13 | | hmmm... i am "the" bot around |
| 18:44:13 | br33zy | ibot ibot |
| 18:44:14 | | okay, Neo|Work. |
| 18:44:14 | Neo|Work | ibot Zaurus is also the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. |
| 18:44:19 | | i guess zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. |
| 18:44:19 | Neo|Work | ibot zaurus |
| 18:44:23 | VerxWork | that got it - I have the toolbar now - thanks |
| 18:44:25 | Neo|Work | is feeding the infobot |
| 18:44:31 | | br33zy is nothing but a fulminating assload of reeky bug spit. |
| 18:44:31 | codemnky | ibot insult br33zy |
| 18:44:31 | | OK, br33zy. |
| 18:44:31 | br33zy | ibot i am 6000 years old |
| 18:44:38 | | angryBSD: huh? |
| 18:44:38 | angryBSD | ibot drago |
| 18:44:40 | | ibot is nothing but an humid assload of halfbaked toxic waste. |
| 18:44:40 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 18:44:41 | codemnky | heh |
| 18:44:44 | | ibot is nothing but an halfbaked tongueful of tempestuous cat bladders. |
| 18:44:44 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 18:44:45 | | ibot is nothing but a sheep-biting stack of swag-bellied Sun IPC manuals. |
| 18:44:45 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 18:44:46 | | ibot is nothing but a fulminating puddle of warped guano. |
| 18:44:46 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 18:44:48 | br33zy | heh |
| 18:44:50 | VerxWork | are their keysyms you can't generate with the zaurus keyboard? |
| 18:44:50 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:44:50 | Neo|Work | ibot SL-6000 is another rumoured name for the rumoured SL-5600 |
| 18:44:50 | | it has been said that moo is the sound a dog makes |
| 18:44:50 | br33zy | ibot moo |
| 18:44:51 | | wish i knew, angrybsd |
| 18:44:51 | angryBSD | ibot drago is some guy who came to this channel over 100 days ago and never came back |
| 18:44:56 | | You are nothing but a gleeking mass of ill-borne poopy. |
| 18:44:56 | codemnky | ibot insult me |
| 18:44:56 | | angryBSD: i'm not following you... |
| 18:44:56 | angryBSD | ibot drago |
| 18:44:57 | br33zy | no more ibot |
| 18:45:04 | br33zy | says NO MORE IBOT |
| 18:45:14 | iterry | oy |
| 18:45:22 | George- | kill da ibot |
| 18:45:24 | George- | kill da ibot |
| 18:45:25 | George- | lol |
| 18:45:29 | | Sorry, Neo|Work, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 18:45:29 | Neo|Work | ibot shut up |
| 18:45:31 | XavierXeon | battery running low. bye |
| 18:45:32 | George- | anyone wanna know who owns iboot? :) |
| 18:45:34 | George- | er. ibot |
| 18:45:41 | erikd | me. |
| 18:45:46 | George- | blah |
| 18:45:48 | | i guess br33zy is a party pooper |
| 18:45:48 | angryBSD | ibot br33zy |
| 18:45:48 | George- | no you don't :) |
| 18:45:49 | erikd | ;) |
| 18:45:54 | angryBSD | lol |
| 18:45:55 | kergoth | George-: tangent, iirc |
| 18:46:03 | | ibot is nothing but a measled bag of clouted eel ooze. |
| 18:46:03 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 18:46:03 | George- | yeh, Tangent |
| 18:46:08 | | ibot is nothing but a spur-galled mound of elf-skinned fat-woman's stomach-bile. |
| 18:46:08 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 18:46:10 | George- | of Intimate fame |
| 18:46:11 | | ibots is nothing but a currish accumulation of half-faced pods. |
| 18:46:11 | br33zy | ibot insult ibots |
| 18:46:13 | | owner is treke is a cool guy |
| 18:46:13 | George- | ibot owner? |
| 18:46:15 | | ibots is nothing but a dankish tongueful of gleeking red dye number-9. |
| 18:46:15 | br33zy | ibot insult ibots |
| 18:46:15 | erikd | guess what! I can compile and test now! |
| 18:46:17 | | ibot is nothing but a currish petrification of it-fowling cat hair. |
| 18:46:17 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 18:46:17 | kergoth | George-: ah yeh |
| 18:46:20 | | kergoth: I forgot owner |
| 18:46:20 | kergoth | ibot: forget owner |
| 18:46:26 | | tangent is mailto:jim@secret.org.uk |
| 18:46:26 | George- | ibot tangent? |
| 18:46:29 | George- | lol |
| 18:46:36 | | hmmm... benmeyer is the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 18:46:36 | angryBSD | ibot benmeyer |
| 18:46:40 | | angryBSD: huh? |
| 18:46:40 | angryBSD | ibot jason |
| 18:46:44 | | OK, George-. |
| 18:46:44 | George- | ibot owner is GEORGE IS MY OWNER *bows down and worships* |
| 18:46:48 | | i guess owner is GEORGE IS your OWNER *bows down and worships* |
| 18:46:48 | George- | ibot owner? |
| 18:46:51 | | well, sniper is a Sharp marketing slave. or evil |
| 18:46:51 | angryBSD | ibot sniper |
| 18:46:53 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:47:02 | George- | lol |
| 18:47:09 | George- | Sniper: you evil slave! |
| 18:47:17 | | okay, Neo|Work. |
| 18:47:17 | Neo|Work | ibot sniper is also not really that evil, really |
| 18:47:20 | | i think sniper is a Sharp marketing slave. or evil or not really that evil, really |
| 18:47:20 | Neo|Work | ibot sniper |
| 18:47:29 | | okay, George-. |
| 18:47:29 | George- | ibot sniper is also BUT I LIE! |
| 18:47:29 | erikd | now i just need to figure out how to make those confounded .pro files |
| 18:47:33 | | i guess sniper is a Sharp marketing slave. or evil or not really that evil, really or BUT I LIE! |
| 18:47:33 | George- | ibot sniper? |
| 18:47:35 | jbwiv | kergoth: I noticed the qpe_extra1.zip rel1 package at zaurus.sourceforge.net says that rotation now works and references you. Is this on both Sharp rom and OZ or only OZ? thx |
| 18:47:36 | erikd | and that other fun stuff like that |
| 18:47:37 | erikd | but wait! |
| 18:47:40 | erikd | it's in the docs! |
| 18:47:50 | BZFlag | alright already. can we lay off the bot or do I have to kill him? |
| 18:48:00 | darienm | jbwiv: rotation works on Sharp rom too |
| 18:48:01 | kergoth | jbwiv: rotation works on both |
| 18:48:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:48:05 | George- | blah |
| 18:48:24 | jbwiv | alright. thanks guys.... |
| 18:48:25 | George- | who's Nelson, btw? |
| 18:48:29 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: what use is an infobot without information? :) |
| 18:48:38 | kergoth | George-: russell nelson |
| 18:48:42 | Neo|Work | btw, one can program ibot with messages |
| 18:48:43 | kergoth | George-: id say |
| 18:48:48 | VerxWork | who here thinks openzaurus is a better ROM than the Sharp Zaurus? |
| 18:48:50 | Neo|Work | privmsgs that is |
| 18:48:51 | George- | He's the founder of this chan =P |
| 18:49:03 | angryBSD | im CEO of emedix inc |
| 18:49:04 | kergoth | George-: i know, i emailed him about giving me admin access so i can change that damn topic. |
| 18:49:05 | Jerakeen | openzaurus is much better. |
| 18:49:17 | George- | kergoth: lol |
| 18:49:27 | George- | OZ 0wnz |
| 18:49:29 | kergoth | looks at his quarterly bonus check and sighs |
| 18:49:30 | George- | =P |
| 18:49:35 | VerxWork | Jerakeen/George: Why? |
| 18:49:37 | Mickey0 | OZ rulez :) |
| 18:49:47 | BZFlag | angryBSD: yeah right. hi Matt. |
| 18:49:48 | kergoth | $28.64. $28.64! oi. wonderful bonus |
| 18:49:52 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:49:55 | George- | VerxWork: Opie just, beats Qtopia hands down |
| 18:50:01 | Jerakeen | writable root, the pacakge management /works/.. uh... wallpaper? :-) |
| 18:50:04 | erikd | thinks about the bonus check he didn't get and sighs |
| 18:50:07 | George- | VerxWork: Plus a rw / is a nice bonus |
| 18:50:13 | Neo|Work | wonders what emedix is. |
| 18:50:14 | angryBSD | BZFlag: lol, im just kidding, i saw your info on ibot |
| 18:50:14 | kergoth | oipkg still sucks though |
| 18:50:16 | erikd | or the regular check |
| 18:50:19 | George- | VerxWork: plus in OZ I can use all 32MB of my RAM :))))) |
| 18:50:19 | angryBSD | BZFlag: who's matt |
| 18:50:20 | erikd | i'd like one of those, too |
| 18:50:31 | George- | kergoth: It's better than Qinstall |
| 18:50:32 | BZFlag | angryBSD: the ceo. I just got off the phone with him. |
| 18:50:44 | kergoth | George-: that isnt saying much :-) |
| 18:50:47 | Jerakeen | Yeah, when I get an SD card that works I'll be able to use allthe ram. mmmmmm. |
| 18:50:49 | George- | kergoth: lol |
| 18:50:53 | warmi | kergoth: hehe |
| 18:50:54 | codemnky | i'm my eye is twiching too much i have to sit down |
| 18:50:55 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: Thanks!!! Those strace's make sense!! I just need to figure out what the other 2 values the oncheck program can return are for |
| 18:51:00 | VerxWork | George-: hehehe - but can you still use Opera and the Jeode stuff? |
| 18:51:01 | George- | Jerakeen: mwahaha |
| 18:51:10 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: hehe. can you email me the strace output? itd be much appreciated |
| 18:51:16 | Jerakeen | oipkg is ghastly, but I use ipkg for everythjing, I'm just a debian weenie. |
| 18:51:19 | jmhodges | heya |
| 18:51:20 | George- | VerxWork: All jeode apps suck, imho |
| 18:51:27 | George- | VerxWork: And I like konq |
| 18:51:32 | kergoth | Jerakeen: working to get cmdline ipkg to support symlinking.. |
| 18:51:36 | jmhodges | mmm. im loving my konq |
| 18:51:39 | VerxWork | George-: But to learn some basic Java stuff, it might be a convenient method |
| 18:51:49 | George- | VerxWork: I don't learn Java =P |
| 18:51:53 | kergoth | Jerakeen: so you could ipkg -l root install blah -d cf, that type of thing |
| 18:51:58 | jmhodges | kergoth: that fills me with a warm fuzzy feeling |
| 18:52:03 | George- | is thinking of porting Jeode over to the OZ |
| 18:52:05 | angryBSD | jeode owns |
| 18:52:17 | George- | angryBSD: NO! OZ 0wnz |
| 18:52:18 | kergoth | jmhodges: me too.. then there's something we can use when oipkg is being a pain in the ass (most of the time) |
| 18:52:18 | George- | :) |
| 18:52:20 | angryBSD | just nobody wants to make any good non-game apps for it ;) |
| 18:52:28 | jmhodges | hehe kergoth |
| 18:52:28 | | you are the wizard of OZ or at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net or needing to have two heads and 4 hands so he can get roms out twice as fast |
| 18:52:28 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 18:52:30 | VerxWork | George-: I want Jeode on my iPAQ |
| 18:52:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:52:36 | kergoth | who added that? |
| 18:52:38 | George- | VerxWork: lol |
| 18:52:47 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: I did, to your users.sourceforge.net |
| 18:52:47 | George- | LOL |
| 18:52:48 | jmhodges | looks around.. and walks away whistling |
| 18:52:55 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: cool, thanks :-) |
| 18:52:59 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:53:02 | George- | wizard of OZ? |
| 18:53:03 | George- | blah =P |
| 18:53:04 | | administrator is, like, alienhazard |
| 18:53:04 | angryBSD | ibot administrator |
| 18:53:09 | CmdrChalupa | dances at his realization |
| 18:53:12 | | George-: sorry... |
| 18:53:12 | George- | ibot george- |
| 18:53:14 | | it has been said that geyz is worse than xonox |
| 18:53:14 | George- | ibot geyz |
| 18:53:16 | | alienhazard is probably gay |
| 18:53:16 | angryBSD | ibot alienhazard |
| 18:53:17 | George- | hmm |
| 18:53:19 | George- | ok |
| 18:53:19 | angryBSD | lol |
| 18:53:21 | George- | nice to know |
| 18:53:22 | | owner is BZFlag on a host run by Tangent |
| 18:53:22 | jmhodges | ibot owner |
| 18:53:25 | George- | I'm worse than xonox |
| 18:53:31 | BZFlag | someone should fix konq so that: 1) the borders are gone. 2) the cache is in memory only, 3) the location bar comes and goes. 4) the progress shows on another bar that comes and goes |
| 18:53:35 | | George-: huh? |
| 18:53:35 | George- | ibot you suck |
| 18:53:39 | Mickey0 | how do you debug taskbar applets? is it possible to get printf or qDebugs to a console while opie is running? or redirect qDebug output to a file perhaps? |
| 18:53:45 | kergoth | BZFlag: here here! |
| 18:53:49 | kergoth | BZFlag: thatd be nice :-) |
| 18:53:51 | jmhodges | all we did was mess with bots last night |
| 18:54:00 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 18:54:00 | George- | ibot kiss my ass |
| 18:54:03 | George- | grrr |
| 18:54:10 | jmhodges | ok |
| 18:54:27 | BZFlag | kergoth: If I only had all the time for all these ideas. ;-) |
| 18:54:39 | George- | BZFlag: If you want all those, tronical's the man to talk to |
| 18:54:40 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah no kidding, i know how you feel |
| 18:54:51 | angryBSD | damnit i wish i had a good idea for the dev chal |
| 18:55:01 | George- | talks to tronical |
| 18:55:03 | angryBSD | i want a zaurusx0r |
| 18:55:25 | VerxWork | George-: What is really stupid is - Jeode comes with the Z. Jeode comes with the iPAQ (albeit for winCE). But I can't even BUY a jeode for my iPAQ if I run opie |
| 18:55:33 | Neo|Work | goes to eat lunch. |
| 18:55:49 | Neo|Work | angryBSD: I wish I was eligible. Another 5000D would be helpful for running OZ/Opie. :) |
| 18:55:51 | Neo|Work | anyhow |
| 18:55:55 | George- | Jeode comes with the iPaq? |
| 18:55:57 | Neo|Work | is away: lunch |
| 18:55:58 | George- | COooooooooooooool |
| 18:56:04 | numatrix | Is there any chance someone could write something like ben's hamcomcreator for jeode? Or is that just not feasible? |
| 18:56:06 | VerxWork | George-: For wince ONLY |
| 18:56:12 | George- | so? |
| 18:56:25 | BZFlag | George-: well I'm interested, but I don't have any funds set aside for those changes yet. |
| 18:56:28 | VerxWork | well, it is useless to me with Opie on my iPAQ |
| 18:56:52 | George- | Who owns Jeode? |
| 18:56:56 | George- | Insignia? |
| 18:57:00 | BZFlag | Insignia |
| 18:57:05 | VerxWork | Yeah, Insignia |
| 18:57:06 | George- | ok |
| 18:57:08 | | angryBSD: what? |
| 18:57:08 | angryBSD | ibot jeode |
| 18:57:12 | George- | Any insignia guys here? =P |
| 18:57:16 | | OK, angryBSD. |
| 18:57:16 | angryBSD | ibot jeode is made by insignia biatch |
| 18:57:21 | VerxWork | I haven't seen any as yet |
| 18:57:25 | BZFlag | biatch? |
| 18:57:31 | VerxWork | biatch? |
| 18:57:32 | VerxWork | rofl |
| 18:57:33 | angryBSD | biatch? |
| 18:57:34 | | jeode is made by insignia biatch |
| 18:57:34 | VerxWork | ibot, jeode |
| 18:57:34 | George- | hmm |
| 18:57:39 | VerxWork | what a company |
| 18:57:40 | George- | is it legal to run Insignia Jeode on OZ? |
| 18:57:43 | VerxWork | insignia biatch |
| 18:57:45 | angryBSD | lol |
| 18:58:00 | George- | oooh |
| 18:58:01 | George- | hi Mark |
| 18:58:06 | mark | hi George- |
| 18:58:12 | BZFlag | George-: it's legal to run on OZ if you copy over the binary yourself. |
| 18:58:19 | George- | ohhhh |
| 18:58:20 | George- | ok |
| 18:58:25 | George- | what if some other dude copies over the binary? |
| 18:58:27 | George- | and makes a .ipk |
| 18:58:36 | George- | and distributes it to Zaurus owners |
| 18:58:36 | George- | with a notice saying |
| 18:58:37 | ljp_ | nope |
| 18:58:37 | BZFlag | nope. not distributable. |
| 18:58:38 | kergoth | George-: you have a license to use it, not distribute |
| 18:58:46 | George- | "YOU MAY ONLY DOWNLOAD THIS IF YOU HAVE A ZAURUS" |
| 18:58:47 | cdm | hey Tim! |
| 18:58:55 | kergoth | George-: that person cant distribute it legally |
| 18:58:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:58:59 | kergoth | re cdm |
| 18:59:00 | George- | hmm |
| 18:59:01 | George- | ok |
| 18:59:02 | ljp_ | nope.. the guy is still distributing |
| 18:59:04 | cdm | hey kergoth |
| 18:59:06 | George- | ok |
| 18:59:07 | toolafial | wow a tablet PC for pretty cheap: http://www.mira2go.com/ |
| 18:59:09 | BZFlag | cdm: hey, long time no see. got your Z up yet? |
| 18:59:17 | George- | heh |
| 18:59:17 | VerxWork | kergoth: But what about something that lets you extract it - make an ipk for yourself |
| 18:59:23 | VerxWork | and then install it on oz |
| 18:59:27 | George- | what about creating a script to rip out the Jeode? :)P |
| 18:59:33 | toolafial | they even come with linux pre-isntalled |
| 18:59:50 | BZFlag | George-: course you could distribute a script that downloads the rom image, pulls out the pieces and makes an ipkg. ;-) |
| 18:59:57 | George- | lol |
| 18:59:57 | Jerakeen | kergoth: re syminking, I have a little script that links/unlinks everything for me. Dead easy to do... |
| 18:59:59 | George- | good :) |
| 19:00:14 | angryBSD | *.sharpsec.com: would I be able to make an app in java/AWT and submit that? |
| 19:00:21 | BZFlag | George-: in fact, you should take a look at OZ. There used to be one that did just that. |
| 19:00:30 | | contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 19:00:30 | Sniper | ibot contest |
| 19:00:34 | BZFlag | kergoth: is there still? what about a hancom ripper? |
| 19:00:56 | Sniper | dev challenge=Qtopia jpda=java |
| 19:01:01 | George- | BZFlag: ? |
| 19:01:07 | ljp_ | dont think anyone has gottenaround to writing a script for that |
| 19:01:10 | angryBSD | gah but the challenge is a challenge and the jpda is a "contest" :-/ |
| 19:01:38 | killefiz | BZFlag: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=279 |
| 19:01:54 | benmeyer | I did make a hancom ripper |
| 19:02:01 | benmeyer | havn't done opera yet |
| 19:02:12 | mark | anyone got opera running on OZ yet? |
| 19:02:45 | VerxWork | benmeyer: Or what about jeode |
| 19:02:56 | benmeyer | just need a list of files |
| 19:03:20 | VerxWork | oh, the 5000 image doesn't include hancom I guess |
| 19:03:28 | VerxWork | based on what I read about hancom creator |
| 19:03:54 | benmeyer | correct |
| 19:03:54 | ljp_ | 5000d owns\ers can download hancom |
| 19:04:02 | benmeyer | but the 5000 people can download it |
| 19:04:11 | VerxWork | I thought it was only the 5000 original owners |
| 19:04:13 | VerxWork | not new ones |
| 19:04:41 | ljp_ | all it asks for is a serial number |
| 19:04:48 | VerxWork | oh, ok |
| 19:05:00 | George- | lol |
| 19:05:05 | George- | I'm a new 5000D owner |
| 19:05:09 | George- | and I managed to dl it |
| 19:05:10 | George- | =P |
| 19:05:21 | mark | benmeyer: it segfaulted when I tried |
| 19:05:30 | benmeyer | what did |
| 19:05:37 | mark | benmeyer: gdb gave absolutely nothing, it was segfaulting pretty early |
| 19:05:54 | benmeyer | manicalla? |
| 19:06:30 | mark | benmeyer: huh? |
| 19:06:36 | benmeyer | what segfaulted |
| 19:06:41 | Jerakeen | where can I download it? |
| 19:06:48 | benmeyer | define it |
| 19:06:57 | Jerakeen | sorry. hancom. |
| 19:07:02 | benmeyer | from there site |
| 19:07:17 | mark | benmeyer: opera setfaulted when I transfered it to my ipaq a while ago to try and run it there |
| 19:07:30 | George- | mark: did you strace it? |
| 19:07:55 | benmeyer | ah |
| 19:08:03 | benmeyer | you moved the entire folder? |
| 19:08:15 | nobse | Does korganizer use the data from the standard calendar? |
| 19:08:22 | numatrix | Hmm, I got some errors when I ran "ipkg install hancomcreator_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 19:08:27 | mark | benmeyer: yeh, i moved everything |
| 19:08:29 | mark | nobse: no |
| 19:08:45 | numatrix | Configuring hancomcreator...cp: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libhanlib_pda.so.2.4.10:No such file or directory |
| 19:08:59 | numatrix | cp: /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/robus.rc: No such file or directory |
| 19:09:01 | nobse | mark: hmm... ok, so I have no chance to sync korganizer with qtopia |
| 19:09:15 | numatrix | rm: cannot remove '/tmp/sheet/control': No such file or directory |
| 19:09:20 | George- | numatrix: What Zaurus? |
| 19:09:24 | numatrix | 5500 |
| 19:09:25 | benmeyer | numatrix: from a 5000? |
| 19:09:30 | benmeyer | odd |
| 19:09:34 | benmeyer | tested it here |
| 19:09:46 | benmeyer | what rom? |
| 19:10:14 | numatrix | Ahh. I have 2.4.8 instead of 2.5.10 of the libhan lib. |
| 19:10:16 | BZFlag | killefiz: cool. there is not one for opera and insignia? |
| 19:10:39 | killefiz | BZFlag: nope - the deal is you give benmeyer a filelist and he'll create one ;) |
| 19:10:43 | numatrix | benmeyer: 2.12 |
| 19:11:03 | BZFlag | killefiz: there used to be a filelist in OZ someplace.. kergoth? |
| 19:11:25 | jbwiv | trying to compile the example app packaged with the qtopia-free rpm, but I get the following: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqpe. Do I need to alter my LD_LIBRARY_PATH for this? thx |
| 19:12:58 | numatrix | btw; benmeyer, what happens if I try to uninstall the ipk? |
| 19:13:22 | warmi | jbwiv: yeah |
| 19:13:26 | jbwiv | weird. I followed the directions on the zauruszone.com/howto and setup my environment. LD_LIBRARY_PATH looks in /opt/Qtopia/lib, where libqpe is located. anyone know why make would return an error? |
| 19:14:14 | hunger | kergoth: I think it is working! |
| 19:14:20 | ljp_ | what does echo $QPEDIR say? |
| 19:14:27 | warmi | jbwiv: that can't happen :-) |
| 19:14:38 | benmeyer | numatrix: nothing |
| 19:14:39 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 19:14:44 | hunger | kergoth: It (gcc 3.1 cross-compiler) breaks on the kernel:-( |
| 19:14:46 | jbwiv | woah...now wonder. each libqpe in /opt/Qtopia/lib is a symlink to libqpe.so.1.5.0, which doesn't seem to be there. |
| 19:14:50 | jbwiv | broken links |
| 19:14:56 | hunger | kergoth: The rest seems to work reasonably well. |
| 19:15:14 | warmi | jbwiv: there you go |
| 19:15:32 | jbwiv | ljp_: /opt/Qtopia |
| 19:16:16 | warmi | jbwiv: /opt/Qtopia/lib should have : 1495934 Jan 10 2002 libqpe.so.1.5.0 |
| 19:16:47 | KhensU | benmeyer: just read you page. looks like we both got married on the same day. |
| 19:16:57 | jbwiv | warmi: yeah, I was just examining the rpm. It's in there, or so it seems. Very strange. I'm going to uninstall and reinstall... thx for the help |
| 19:17:32 | numatrix | Congrats you two... (benmeyer, KhensU) |
| 19:17:32 | kergoth | hunger: -mapcs iirc |
| 19:17:44 | numatrix | And not necessarily together. ;-) |
| 19:17:48 | KhensU | heh |
| 19:18:16 | JasonNJ-home | greets. |
| 19:18:24 | BZFlag | is using gcc 3.1 cross copiling strongarm kernels. |
| 19:18:33 | benmeyer | KhensU: May 11th 2002? |
| 19:18:52 | BZFlag | er compiling. works for me. check the tuxscreen buildroot for complete build instructions. |
| 19:18:53 | JasonNJ-home | bz: query window |
| 19:19:03 | KhensU | benmeyer: yup, four days after i got my Z |
| 19:19:31 | benmeyer | :-D Where were you married? |
| 19:19:49 | jbwiv | warmi: it's there now...must have been an rpm screw-up (or me :)) |
| 19:20:13 | KhensU | my wife's hometown of parksville on vancouver island |
| 19:20:28 | VerxWork | JasonNJ-home: I tried asking you yesterday if you had gotten your camera yet. I think I must have had to leave before you answered |
| 19:20:41 | benmeyer | fun, where did you go for your honeymoon? |
| 19:21:59 | KhensU | benmeyer: we a few days at the Empress hotel in victoria. short but pampered ;) |
| 19:22:21 | VerxWork | pampering is good |
| 19:22:21 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:22:28 | benmeyer | very nice |
| 19:22:37 | benmeyer | got photos up yet? |
| 19:23:18 | KhensU | http://www.khensu.org/pix/ids/index.cgi?mode=album&album=./Wedding |
| 19:24:00 | benmeyer | http://www.weddingprints.com/mainnew/wedding.cfm?wid=886&CFID=65707&CFTOKEN=47666677 |
| 19:24:03 | benmeyer | There are mine |
| 19:24:11 | hunger | kergoth: -mapcs? |
| 19:25:52 | jbwiv | sorry for these persistents posts, but I'm almost there and getting excited ;). Now, when I try to run the example application, I get "Qt/Embedded data directory is not owned by user 0". I've tried to run it as both root and my userid. where is the qt-embedded data directory? thx |
| 19:26:15 | benmeyer | hmmmmmm |
| 19:26:17 | VerxWork | benmeyer/KhensU: Mine are under Wedding and Honeymoon here: http://www.joechott.com/photos.php3 |
| 19:26:53 | BigBoss | joe, if that is what you really look like, I'm afraid I can't work with you any more :) |
| 19:27:11 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Eh? Which picture are you looking at? |
| 19:27:17 | hunger | jbwiv: I guess there are wrong permissions on that directory. |
| 19:27:30 | hunger | jbwiv: Wherever that may be:-) |
| 19:28:00 | BigBoss | someone sitting on a couch wearing shorts with a kitten next to them |
| 19:28:03 | VerxWork | KhensU: Are you Irish then? |
| 19:28:11 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Rofl, that is my wife's father |
| 19:28:13 | bipolar | I just got married too |
| 19:28:20 | bipolar | hehe |
| 19:28:29 | bipolar | june 29th.... :) |
| 19:28:34 | VerxWork | notice he is reading "Woman's World" |
| 19:28:40 | VerxWork | I hadn't noticed that until just now |
| 19:28:46 | VerxWork | I am going to HAVE to give him shit about that |
| 19:28:51 | jbwiv | hunger: I agree. QTDIR is set to /opt/Qtopia, which is owned by root. I get the same message when trying to run as root... |
| 19:28:53 | BigBoss | it is very scary |
| 19:29:06 | BigBoss | congratulations bipolar - it's all downhill from here :) |
| 19:29:11 | bipolar | lol |
| 19:29:25 | hunger | jbwiv: How about the directories under /opt/Qtopia? |
| 19:29:37 | VerxWork | Not the worlds most flattering picture |
| 19:29:40 | VerxWork | but here is a pic of me: |
| 19:29:41 | VerxWork | http://www.joechott.com/photos/2002/hiking/3_joe_sugar.jpg |
| 19:29:57 | VerxWork | I live in Arizona - I -*NEED*- that stupid hat |
| 19:30:04 | VerxWork | it was 112 that day |
| 19:30:05 | BigBoss | with legs like that, it's no wonder you are married |
| 19:30:08 | VerxWork | just to give you an idea |
| 19:30:17 | VerxWork | ROFL |
| 19:30:17 | BigBoss | :) |
| 19:30:19 | benmeyer | http://www.weddingprints.com/mainnew/pictures/0181881/br09f242.jpg <- probably the one I like the most |
| 19:30:23 | jbwiv | hunger: all owned by root |
| 19:30:33 | BigBoss | I'd think in that heat you would weigh like 100 pounds from sweating :) |
| 19:30:44 | BigBoss | I guess I won't use Arizona for my weight loss clinic :) |
| 19:30:45 | jbwiv | hmmm...weird |
| 19:30:46 | VerxWork | cool benmeyer |
| 19:31:08 | KhensU | VerxHome: I have some irish blood but there I was showing my scotish side. |
| 19:31:18 | VerxWork | Here is a favourite from my wedding benmeyer: http://www.joechott.com/photos/2001/wedding_poses/becky_joe_with_bouquet_closeup.jpg |
| 19:31:30 | bipolar | I still have to convert my wedding photos from 1.5-3MB jpegs to something more suitible for the web so I can post them. |
| 19:31:39 | VerxWork | KhensU: Sorry, you would probably slap me in real life |
| 19:31:43 | VerxWork | I got them mixed up |
| 19:31:44 | BigBoss | how drunk are you there VerxHome? :) |
| 19:32:00 | KhensU | http://www.khensu.org/pix/ids/index.cgi?mode=image&album=/Wedding&image=11%2d26%2dcake%2d01%2dlindsay.jpg <- my favourite ;) |
| 19:32:02 | VerxWork | I know how much scot's and irish get along. . . My bad |
| 19:32:18 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Hehehe, I had been up for more than 36 hours straight at that point |
| 19:32:33 | benmeyer | That was your cake? |
| 19:32:41 | KhensU | groom's cake |
| 19:32:49 | hunger | jbwiv: Run find to look for any non-root files... |
| 19:32:52 | George- | mmmmmhmmmm cake....... |
| 19:33:04 | KhensU | the real cake was bigger and more weddding cake looking |
| 19:33:05 | benmeyer | you had 2 ckaes? |
| 19:33:14 | benmeyer | or was that before at your party? |
| 19:33:26 | BigBoss | I'm scottish - are we starting a brawl? |
| 19:33:53 | toolafial | ha I'm looking at the list of apps for the programming challenge, and there aren't many left |
| 19:33:55 | KhensU | 2 cakes. |
| 19:34:17 | jbwiv | hunger: hang on...I'm going to uninstall the rpm... been having some strange stuff going down :) |
| 19:34:58 | toolafial | the matchmaking app looks kinda fun to write |
| 19:35:16 | kergoth | hunger: search the linux-arm-kernel and linux-arm archives. rmk gives a command line option to make it build with 3.1. |
| 19:35:24 | kergoth | hunger: though it may only be on current kernels, i dont know |
| 19:35:42 | hunger | kergoth: I *love* gcc 3.1! |
| 19:35:46 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 19:35:57 | kergoth | hunger: gonna send me all your toolchain .mk's? :-) |
| 19:36:01 | hunger | kergoth: *nothing* works out of the box with it... well, except for my code. |
| 19:36:10 | kergoth | hunger: well yeah, broken code |
| 19:36:15 | hunger | kergoth: So far it depends heavily on debian. |
| 19:36:35 | kergoth | hunger: still, if you want to send me the initial versions i'll get them in cvs |
| 19:36:46 | kergoth | hunger: you should get your sf account going, ill just give you cvs access |
| 19:36:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:36:49 | hunger | kergoth: It would be nice if you could give it a try... if it works for you too I might remove the debian specific stuff. |
| 19:36:59 | toolafial | I wished I wasn't moving while this contest was on |
| 19:36:59 | kergoth | hunger: yeah i can do that |
| 19:37:02 | hunger | kergoth: I'm tobias at SF. |
| 19:37:12 | kergoth | hunger: k, i'll add you to the project |
| 19:37:18 | hunger | kergoth: Thanks. |
| 19:37:19 | toolafial | then I would actually have time to write the software |
| 19:37:25 | tgall_foo | kergoth: ummm at what point do you generate the /etc/ld.so.cache? |
| 19:37:27 | hunger | kergoth: I'll break it in no time;-) |
| 19:37:47 | hunger | tgall_foo: Check config/libc6.mk |
| 19:37:56 | whardier | baggs |
| 19:38:05 | kergoth | hey whardier |
| 19:39:12 | kergoth | hunger: try checking out the cvs tree via ssh and check something in |
| 19:39:14 | jbwiv | hunger: arrrrgh! I uninstalled it, wiped the directory, and still "Qt/Embedded data directory is not owned by user 0". Shouldn't the Qt/Embedded stuff go under $QTDIR? |
| 19:39:22 | kergoth | hunger: want to make sure it works |
| 19:39:24 | tgall_foo | hmmm I see the conf file ... but I don't see the cache being generated |
| 19:39:45 | jbwiv | pulls pistol and pumps four slugs into his monitor |
| 19:39:47 | VerxWork | BigBoss: hehehe, when I was in San Fransisco, I ended up in a bar where they had some full blood Scotsmen and Irishmen and they were playing music "against" each other in a sort of battle of the bands kind of mode |
| 19:39:52 | VerxWork | it was great fun |
| 19:40:01 | VerxWork | they ended up getting drunk together and everyone had a good time |
| 19:40:16 | Jerakeen | where can I get libpcap, for use with kismet? |
| 19:40:25 | kergoth | Jerakeen: OZ feed, or familiar |
| 19:40:27 | killefiz | kergoth: should I update opie from the oz-feed or from wox? |
| 19:40:34 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:44:36) |
| 19:40:35 | tgall_foo | shouldn't that be generated sometime in the jffs2image timeframe? |
| 19:40:37 | Jerakeen | kergoth: what's the package called? |
| 19:40:39 | kergoth | killefiz: wox is usually updated more often. |
| 19:40:42 | tgall_foo | so ld.so.cache is up to date? |
| 19:40:43 | BigBoss | VerxHome sounds like fun |
| 19:40:43 | kergoth | Jerakeen: libpcap0 |
| 19:40:49 | Jerakeen | doh. Ta, dude. |
| 19:40:58 | kergoth | tgall_foo: ah shit i dont remember.. grep -r is your friend |
| 19:41:14 | kergoth | tgall_foo: oh thats right, its updated in each postinst for the packages. |
| 19:41:27 | kergoth | tgall_foo: i.e. ncurses.postinst ... ldconfig; ... |
| 19:41:47 | kergoth | tgall_foo: and OZ uses its full reset script to reconfigure all the packages on the first boot (reruns the postinst scripts) |
| 19:41:53 | angryBSD | sniper leavey leavey |
| 19:41:55 | kergoth | tgall_foo: because postinsts dont work right with ipkg -o |
| 19:42:06 | tgall_foo | hmmm fun |
| 19:42:13 | jbwiv | to anyone: anyone out there ever seen this message???? "Qt/Embedded data directory is not owned by user 0"? |
| 19:42:15 | kergoth | tgall_foo: heh |
| 19:42:24 | kergoth | jbwiv: nope |
| 19:42:39 | jbwiv | where the hell is the qt/embedded data directory anyway? |
| 19:42:41 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: yeah |
| 19:42:41 | jbwiv | sheesh |
| 19:42:53 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: qvfb or on the pda? |
| 19:43:03 | jbwiv | Mickey0: how'd you fix it, if you don't mind me asking. qvfb on the desktop |
| 19:43:16 | prpplague | kergoth: how about have a script that asks for a winblows license on boot, and if someone actually inputs one, it wipes the flash clean..... |
| 19:43:20 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: check for stale ./qvfb or /tmp/qpe* files. |
| 19:43:26 | kergoth | prpplague: lol |
| 19:43:42 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: /tmp/.qvfb* even |
| 19:44:05 | jbwiv | ahh...probably from my attempted compile of the source. There're some in /tmp. Hang on, I'm going to wipe them and try again... |
| 19:44:36 | prpplague | BZFlag: have you gotten a status on duck's work on the lh series arm processors? |
| 19:44:55 | jbwiv | sweet Jesus it worked! Thanks Mickey0 and all. |
| 19:45:01 | Mickey0 | :) |
| 19:45:04 | jbwiv | finally...... |
| 19:45:30 | jbwiv | I'm still disappointed on giving up with compiling the source, but at least it works. Seems like cheating in a way :) |
| 19:45:30 | BZFlag | prpplague: it's working and he got approval to release it. ping him duck@lineo.com about it. |
| 19:45:39 | prpplague | BZFlag: ok thanks |
| 19:45:53 | jrm | does anybody know where I can find an nmap ipk ? |
| 19:45:58 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: what are your problems with compiling from source? |
| 19:46:06 | jrm | I see the support files, and a frontend, but no nmap |
| 19:46:13 | killefiz | jrm: check zsi |
| 19:46:23 | jrm | what's zsi ? |
| 19:46:26 | | somebody said zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 19:46:26 | angryBSD | ibot zsi |
| 19:46:31 | jrm | ok, thanks |
| 19:46:49 | | angryBSD: no problem |
| 19:46:49 | angryBSD | ibot thanks |
| 19:47:08 | prpplague | jrm: i don't know about nmap, but i've used hping on arm |
| 19:47:32 | jrm | cool |
| 19:47:34 | Guest | k |
| 19:47:38 | jbwiv | Mickey0: aside from seg faults (something with my system, possibly memory dropping bits), I had trouble installing qt-embedded when configured with -qvfb. If I ran "make install" I'd get a "nothing to do for: install" from the tools directory, or something like that. This would abort the install. If I compiled without -qvfb, it'd work fine. |
| 19:47:53 | jrm | They have nmap |
| 19:47:55 | jrm | cool |
| 19:48:02 | jrm | I tried compiling it but I had problems |
| 19:48:22 | hunger | kergoth: I'll mail you this... I want your comments before this goes into OZ. |
| 19:48:23 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: qt-embedded is not supposed to be 'installed' anywhere. |
| 19:48:38 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: just copy the libs and the bin directory to where you want to have it |
| 19:48:44 | jrm | damn, gotta go |
| 19:48:46 | jbwiv | Mickey0: really? hmmm... |
| 19:48:46 | Mickey0 | and maybe include, too :) |
| 19:49:35 | | rumour has it oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 19:49:35 | angryBSD | ibot oz |
| 19:49:44 | jbwiv | Mickey0: well...that would explain a lot. I'm just in such a habit of ./configure && make && make install\ |
| 19:49:47 | angryBSD | what is oz? |
| 19:50:00 | jbwiv | Suddenly I don't feel so bad, or...maybe I feel worse :) |
| 19:50:11 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: yeah... one gets used to thinking the whole world uses autoconf... but it isn't so :) |
| 19:51:01 | jbwiv | Mickey0: hey man, thanks for the info. I'm on a 48 hour no sleep binge and after you get a few errors in various things, they all start running together. I was on the brink of insanity at 8:30 this morning:) |
| 19:51:10 | mark | + |
| 19:51:17 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: get yourself some rest, then start hacking :) |
| 19:51:32 | jbwiv | Mickey0: getting myself a beer before all else :). |
| 19:51:43 | Mickey0 | jbwiv: cheers |
| 19:51:59 | jbwiv-consuming- | thanks |
| 19:56:08 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 19:57:50 | angryBSD | sugar, make jbwiv a beer |
| 19:57:51 | Sugar | pours some beer from the tap into a glass and hands it to jbwiv. |
| 19:58:24 | prpplague | Sugar: hopes its a nice ale and not american lager piss |
| 20:00:04 | jbwiv-consuming- | prpplague - hard to find ale in atlanta that hasn't become americanized piss. |
| 20:00:18 | kergoth | gah.. i hate beer |
| 20:00:56 | jbwiv-consuming- | ah, come on. nothing like one after a long run at the computer. |
| 20:00:59 | erikd | what would one of the reasons be behind tmake not creating a toybase.cpp from my toybase.ui? I've copied the example almost exactly |
| 20:01:29 | kergoth | nah i'll take a long island any day.. or whiskey, or vodka, or even a mike's hard lemonade or something |
| 20:01:35 | kergoth | i hate the taste of beer. heh |
| 20:01:44 | angryBSD | is anybody here very good at java development with the Z? |
| 20:01:54 | kergoth | angryBSD: pester twuin, he did the java faq |
| 20:02:16 | treke | erikd: you added the .ui file to your .pro right? |
| 20:02:18 | angryBSD | he's not here though :-/ |
| 20:02:37 | erikd | treke: yup, it creates a toybase.h, but it's pretty much empty except for a comment block |
| 20:02:42 | jbwiv-consuming- | well, there's always a place for a good mixed drink as well :). I prefer good Kentucky bourbon myself. |
| 20:03:19 | erikd | actually, now it's not even doing that =/ |
| 20:03:26 | prpplague | kergoth: its an aquired taste |
| 20:03:29 | | java faq is at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 20:03:29 | angryBSD | ibot, java faq |
| 20:03:46 | kergoth | prpplague: i always heard that.. never understood why one would bother acquiring it.. :-P |
| 20:04:14 | erikd | kergoth: because then you can make jokes about it and actually understand them |
| 20:04:18 | erikd | ;) |
| 20:04:19 | kergoth | erikd: aha |
| 20:04:32 | kergoth | sugar, make me a long island |
| 20:04:32 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 20:04:51 | angryBSD | hehe - this is fun: http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/zaurus_emu.jsp |
| 20:04:57 | jbwiv-consuming- | kergoth: and it provides an instant bond with Homer Simpson |
| 20:04:59 | whardier | FOR THESE.. ARE THE CRIES OF THE CARROT PEOPLE! |
| 20:05:17 | kergoth | start rampantly killing the carrot people |
| 20:05:17 | VerxWork | get help man |
| 20:05:18 | VerxWork | and SOON |
| 20:05:22 | kergoth | DIE CARROTS |
| 20:05:23 | kergoth | DIE |
| 20:05:27 | kergoth | munches |
| 20:05:29 | kergoth | mmm carrots |
| 20:05:33 | toolafial | whardier : for today is their holacaust |
| 20:05:34 | jbwiv-consuming- | for them, it is the holocaust... |
| 20:05:38 | erikd | are there certain requirements for .ui files? or should anything with a valid widget work? |
| 20:05:44 | angryBSD | lol |
| 20:05:49 | angryBSD | echo.. echo... |
| 20:05:50 | prpplague | kergoth: ask BZFlag, keeping track of the beers i've tried is my sole goal in using a pda....lol |
| 20:05:56 | kergoth | prpplague: lol |
| 20:06:02 | whardier | decides to watch charles in charge |
| 20:06:12 | kergoth | shoots charles too |
| 20:06:16 | kergoth | needs to get out of work |
| 20:06:19 | jbwiv-consuming- | prpplague: a nobel endeavor if I've ever heard one :) |
| 20:06:36 | jbwiv-consuming- | s/nobel/noble/:) |
| 20:06:43 | whardier | my cat is trying to break down the door |
| 20:06:57 | kergoth | whardier: is it succeeding |
| 20:07:00 | jbwiv-consuming- | shoots whardier's cat |
| 20:07:04 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:07:08 | kergoth | shoots jbwiv |
| 20:07:09 | jbwiv-consuming- | hey, kergoth was doing it |
| 20:07:25 | prpplague | jbwiv-consuming-: thanks, when i get the version running on the zaurus i'll send ya a copy |
| 20:07:25 | kergoth | sniffle |
| 20:07:27 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 20:07:30 | kergoth | my punching bag is useless |
| 20:07:35 | kergoth | I cant beat the shit out of it anymore |
| 20:07:43 | jbwiv-consuming- | deflects kergoth's bullet with his ultra-powerful, beer induced fuzzy forcefield |
| 20:07:50 | kergoth | jbwiv-consuming-: fancy |
| 20:08:15 | kergoth | pulls out various hard liquor induced weaponry to counter |
| 20:08:22 | whardier | kergoth: you should attach faces of people to your bag |
| 20:08:26 | jbwiv-consuming- | kergoth: i have moves I haven't even discovered yet....and that's why you acquire a taste for beer :) |
| 20:08:33 | kergoth | jbwiv-consuming-: hah |
| 20:08:40 | whardier | charles in charge meat happy days.. wtf!! |
| 20:08:44 | kergoth | whardier: i do.. with my mind.. |
| 20:08:47 | kergoth | whardier: ahhhh |
| 20:08:51 | kergoth | shoots charles again |
| 20:09:04 | kergoth | no more happy days for you! |
| 20:09:24 | whardier | this is freaky |
| 20:09:28 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:09:32 | jbwiv-consuming- | likes kergoth's weaponry...much faster than his beer arsenal |
| 20:09:40 | kergoth | jbwiv-consuming-: true that |
| 20:09:45 | whardier | shoots jbwiv-consuming- |
| 20:09:48 | whardier | YOU SAID BEER! |
| 20:09:51 | kergoth | jbwiv-consuming-: *ahem* tastes better too |
| 20:09:52 | whardier | GOD DAMNIT I NEED SOME! |
| 20:09:54 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:09:57 | jbwiv-consuming- | this is what too much computing and too little alcohol will get you :) |
| 20:10:17 | whardier | kergoth.. you .. are a peach.. among pits.. |
| 20:10:20 | angryBSD | sugar, give whardier a beer FAST |
| 20:10:21 | killefiz | kergoth: oz b10.4 works much better for me than b10 ... great |
| 20:10:29 | angryBSD | sugar, make wardier a beer |
| 20:10:29 | Sugar | pours some wardier a from the tap into a glass and hands it to angryBSD. |
| 20:10:30 | kergoth | killefiz: thank the opie team :-) |
| 20:10:37 | prpplague | kergoth: btw, did you get OZ cvs updated? |
| 20:10:49 | whardier | heh |
| 20:10:52 | kergoth | prpplague: somewhat. its still lacking a few things |
| 20:11:19 | prpplague | kergoth: ok, should i hold off updating my cvs co for a few more days? |
| 20:11:29 | jbwiv-eating | off to get some grub. we'll resume the alcohol slinging later :) |
| 20:11:42 | kergoth | prpplague: up to you. probably.. i cant even access my dev box at home right now, its down |
| 20:11:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:11:47 | kergoth | ttyl jbwiv |
| 20:11:56 | angryBSD | lol, bnetd has stopped distribution of their http://www.bnetd.org/ products because blizzard is threatening legal action, while you can still get it through CVS |
| 20:12:08 | kergoth | angryBSD: yeh |
| 20:12:14 | kergoth | angryBSD: i guess nobody noticed :-) |
| 20:12:21 | smee | how comes the x prplague? |
| 20:12:44 | angryBSD | kergoth: thats really funny :) |
| 20:12:59 | prpplague | smee: i got the build going as an ipaq 3600 right now |
| 20:13:04 | kergoth | angryBSD: i agree. i just pulled it down from cvs the other day to play with it with war3 |
| 20:13:14 | prpplague | smee: problems are in the apm and in the touch screen |
| 20:13:22 | whardier | eats a pickle |
| 20:13:25 | angryBSD | kergoth: lol |
| 20:13:41 | prpplague | smee: the ts daemon needs to translate from z events to ipaq events right now |
| 20:13:57 | kergoth | prpplague: i thought the Z used the ipaq touchscreen interface? |
| 20:14:06 | whardier | mmmmm |
| 20:14:08 | whardier | goddamn |
| 20:14:11 | prpplague | smee: the ideal thing is to move away from doing a translation and go directly to z events |
| 20:14:18 | kergoth | prpplague: eventually with the newer kernel the Z will use the touchscreen driver from the input layer, fyi |
| 20:14:19 | whardier | I love van holten pickles |
| 20:14:19 | smee | mhm |
| 20:14:24 | whardier | just sucking the juice alone makes me happy! |
| 20:14:32 | whardier | garlicy pickle juice |
| 20:14:38 | whardier | is the best damn thing in the world |
| 20:14:47 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:14:51 | angryBSD | lol |
| 20:15:00 | prpplague | kergoth: that was my understanding as well, however, there seems to be some differences accord to the notes i've found from fastofle |
| 20:15:19 | kergoth | prpplague: ahh.. perhaps we should just fix hte touchscreen interface? :-) |
| 20:15:23 | whardier | damnit |
| 20:15:23 | kergoth | prpplague: where are the notes at? |
| 20:15:44 | prpplague | kergoth: the control.tar.gz in the x package |
| 20:15:49 | whardier | the fonz was a single father |
| 20:15:51 | kergoth | whardier: quoting you out of context is fun |
| 20:15:56 | kergoth | prpplague: k |
| 20:16:08 | prpplague | kergoth: plus, i've been doing so "string" searches on his files |
| 20:16:19 | kergoth | prpplague: seriously.. you think itd be easier to just fix the touchscreen driver instead of rewriting the translation daemon? |
| 20:16:25 | umopapisdn | Anyone knows if qpe has any function for turning off the screen? |
| 20:17:13 | angryBSD | hey with bnetd maybe i can play some starcraft against friends now |
| 20:17:28 | angryBSD | not saying that we wouldnt be able to use the starcraft servers for any reason ;) |
| 20:17:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:17:35 | prpplague | kergoth: well, i'm holding my breath for some code from fastofle, but if not, in the long run i'd not like to count on the ipaq dist as a base |
| 20:17:36 | kergoth | sureee |
| 20:17:38 | Guest | anyone know how/if you can download files from opera? |
| 20:17:40 | whardier | does protecting yourself from the sun on a daily basis.. make you healthier? |
| 20:17:53 | kergoth | prpplague: well then. lets fix the kernel side, i'd say |
| 20:18:04 | kergoth | prpplague: or just wait for the switch to the input layer (an actual standard! hehe) |
| 20:18:18 | kergoth | whardier: bah. i'd argue it makes you weaker |
| 20:18:30 | whardier | kergoth me too |
| 20:18:40 | kergoth | whardier: thats like trying to avoid germs |
| 20:18:44 | whardier | I like the swhole.. build up a natural resistance |
| 20:18:51 | whardier | exactly |
| 20:18:59 | kergoth | whardier:yeh.. your body gains strenght through adaptation.. |
| 20:19:05 | kergoth | whardier: the same principle behind weight lifting |
| 20:19:06 | whardier | overcautious parents are making their children unhealthy |
| 20:19:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:19:09 | kergoth | yeh |
| 20:19:14 | kergoth | stupid fuckers |
| 20:19:18 | whardier | yeah |
| 20:19:19 | prpplague | kergoth: sounds good to me, but just a warning, i only get to work on it 5 or 6 hours at night |
| 20:19:25 | whardier | well I had an argument with a friend about that once |
| 20:19:31 | whardier | because she is WAYYY no germ |
| 20:19:31 | kergoth | prpplague: i have less time than that... heh |
| 20:19:44 | whardier | germs help build that immune system :) |
| 20:19:50 | kergoth | yep, exactly |
| 20:19:59 | whardier | she didn't believe me |
| 20:20:06 | whardier | oh well |
| 20:20:11 | kergoth | whardier: does she sun tan? |
| 20:20:16 | kergoth | whardier: or.. work out? |
| 20:20:19 | whardier | I just saw an ad for some lotion with an spf degree on it for daily use |
| 20:20:20 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:20:26 | whardier | oh |
| 20:20:27 | whardier | she tans |
| 20:20:30 | kergoth | whardier: bingo |
| 20:20:41 | kergoth | whardier: tanning is damaging your skin and forcing your body to adapt |
| 20:20:45 | kergoth | whardier: same principle |
| 20:20:46 | whardier | yeah :) |
| 20:20:50 | smee | prpplague: good full answer to my question :) |
| 20:20:50 | kergoth | whardier: take that angle |
| 20:20:56 | whardier | I do |
| 20:21:00 | whardier | oh well |
| 20:21:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:21:08 | erikd | ARGH |
| 20:21:10 | kergoth | has had that argument himself a few times |
| 20:21:12 | whardier | what about weight lifting? |
| 20:21:14 | erikd | i can't get this .ui stuff working |
| 20:21:27 | [George-] | lol |
| 20:21:29 | kergoth | whardier: weight lifting is damaging your muscles.. your body make them stronger so they dont get damaged next time. |
| 20:21:42 | [George-] | kergoth: is that true? |
| 20:21:43 | whardier | yeh |
| 20:21:51 | kergoth | [George-]: yes |
| 20:21:55 | whardier | of course its true |
| 20:22:02 | [George-] | I always knew all that was shit |
| 20:22:02 | whardier | kergoth said it |
| 20:22:09 | kergoth | aha |
| 20:22:10 | angryBSD | i use .ui's in 3D studio max |
| 20:22:14 | [George-] | everyone at school's like "You should get a tan! You're ghost white" |
| 20:22:26 | angryBSD | i dont get tan either |
| 20:22:28 | treke | cant tan |
| 20:22:32 | angryBSD | i just get sunburned |
| 20:22:34 | [George-] | tans suck =P |
| 20:22:36 | angryBSD | and once it peels away im as white as before |
| 20:22:41 | whardier | I tan/workout/and eat germs |
| 20:22:44 | kergoth | [George-]: nothing wrong with causing damage to yourself |
| 20:22:44 | whardier | I am damn healthy :) |
| 20:22:45 | treke | same here |
| 20:22:50 | kergoth | [George-]: it forces you to become stronger |
| 20:22:51 | angryBSD | tans get you women |
| 20:22:53 | [George-] | kergoth: LOL |
| 20:22:55 | angryBSD | and you know what ibot thinks about women |
| 20:22:57 | | women are always right, always gorgeous and always have the last word... Oh and they know everything! |
| 20:22:57 | angryBSD | ibot, women |
| 20:22:59 | [George-] | kergoth: is that a satire? |
| 20:23:01 | [George-] | :) |
| 20:23:02 | kergoth | [George-]: no |
| 20:23:10 | kergoth | that reminds me of a george carlin routine |
| 20:23:10 | prpplague | smee: did i over do it? |
| 20:23:33 | kergoth | where he says he doesnt hide from germs, he sits on fucking public toilet seats without paper covers and shit to expose himself to the most germs as possible |
| 20:23:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:24:17 | kergoth | What doesnt kill you makes you stronger is true in more ways than one. |
| 20:24:29 | smee | prpplague: heh, nono...I learn stuff that way |
| 20:24:39 | erikd | tmake -is- what converts .ui files to headers and cpp files, right? |
| 20:24:40 | [George-] | kergoth: so tanning yerself and giving skin cancer is good fer you? |
| 20:24:49 | kergoth | [George-]: there's a line to be drawn |
| 20:24:57 | treke | [George-]: yes |
| 20:25:05 | treke | [George-]: It keeps you from living to long |
| 20:25:05 | [George-] | hmm |
| 20:25:07 | prpplague | smee: ok, sometimes i over inform ppl as a response to simple yes/no questions |
| 20:25:11 | [George-] | treke: lol |
| 20:25:16 | [George-] | roflmao |
| 20:25:17 | | faq is, like, at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 20:25:17 | erikd | ibot: faq |
| 20:25:27 | kergoth | [George-]: you dont necessarily need to give yourself cancer.. and you're right, you could argue that forcing your body to adapt to the sun isnt an improvement. |
| 20:25:40 | [George-] | no, it's not |
| 20:25:41 | kergoth | [George-]: myself, I'm in the sun to enjoy outdoor activities, I dont tan just to tan. |
| 20:25:42 | whardier | continues life with part II of this happy days series |
| 20:25:47 | [George-] | yeh |
| 20:25:48 | whardier | fonz is stealing kids from orphanages |
| 20:25:51 | [George-] | same lol |
| 20:25:55 | [George-] | whardier: fonz? |
| 20:25:58 | whardier | the FONZ! |
| 20:26:01 | whardier | bah! |
| 20:26:08 | kergoth | [George-]: now if you say you dont work out because you dont want to damage your muscles, i'll call you a dumbass |
| 20:26:17 | kergoth | [George-]: and i'll be right :-P |
| 20:26:18 | [George-] | kergoth: lol |
| 20:26:26 | [George-] | kergoth: grr =P |
| 20:26:43 | smee | prpplague: no complaints here :) |
| 20:26:58 | whardier | has damaged muscles |
| 20:27:02 | whardier | from people biting him |
| 20:27:05 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:27:07 | whardier | they are adapting |
| 20:27:14 | whardier | and getting stronger to resist it |
| 20:27:21 | kergoth | yeah, itll probably be harder to bite through that spot now |
| 20:27:25 | whardier | same with my right pectoral |
| 20:27:25 | whardier | haha |
| 20:27:28 | kergoth | but the rest of yoru body is still vulnerable to bites |
| 20:27:36 | whardier | it is broken because of a massively long frisbee throw |
| 20:27:39 | whardier | well |
| 20:27:43 | whardier | about 100 of them |
| 20:27:50 | whardier | but it feels better now |
| 20:27:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:27:53 | kergoth | you know |
| 20:27:55 | [George-] | is a dumbass |
| 20:27:58 | kergoth | I get to like that dull soreness |
| 20:28:01 | kergoth | from working out |
| 20:28:04 | whardier | and now my right boob is bigger than my left boob |
| 20:28:08 | kergoth | aha |
| 20:28:22 | whardier | I love getting out of jujitsu |
| 20:28:25 | [George-] | whardier: ur female? |
| 20:28:28 | whardier | sitting down |
| 20:28:31 | whardier | and feeling.. very.. sore |
| 20:28:33 | kergoth | [George-]: no |
| 20:28:40 | kergoth | whardier: yeh.. |
| 20:28:40 | whardier | god I hope not |
| 20:28:43 | kergoth | whardier: adrenaline rush too! |
| 20:28:45 | whardier | otherwise whats that I keep pulling on down there |
| 20:28:45 | [George-] | lol |
| 20:28:46 | kergoth | whardier: i love that shit |
| 20:28:49 | [George-] | didn't think so =P |
| 20:28:59 | [George-] | repeats... "I'm a dumbass" |
| 20:29:01 | [George-] | :) |
| 20:29:03 | kergoth | whardier: get out of jeet kune do all hyped up and ready to do some damage |
| 20:29:09 | kergoth | isnt arguing with george |
| 20:29:10 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:29:12 | whardier | haha |
| 20:29:24 | whardier | we keep going to crowded places after getting out of practice |
| 20:29:27 | [George-] | kergoth: oiy! :) |
| 20:29:29 | whardier | just to eat |
| 20:29:51 | whardier | people get confused why we are all hyped up and yelling at eachother |
| 20:29:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:30:01 | kergoth | adrenaline.. gotta love it |
| 20:30:03 | [George-] | lol |
| 20:30:05 | kergoth | its so much better than caffeine |
| 20:30:08 | kergoth | seriously |
| 20:30:18 | [George-] | goes to drink some adrenaline |
| 20:30:20 | whardier | I just LOOOOVe when you breathe in and your sides are all tender |
| 20:30:26 | kergoth | as an experiment, whenever you get tired, go do some pullups |
| 20:30:27 | [George-] | I can't find any down at my local supermarket :) |
| 20:30:47 | whardier | and you know that when they become less tender.. they can take the same beating and not have a repeat performance |
| 20:30:54 | kergoth | whardier: exactly. |
| 20:31:03 | kergoth | whardier: the soreness feels good, cause you know its improving |
| 20:31:23 | [George-] | hmm |
| 20:31:25 | [George-] | I'm a fat fuck |
| 20:31:30 | [George-] | I need to do some exercise some day =P |
| 20:31:46 | whardier | someday |
| 20:31:49 | whardier | those are some evil words |
| 20:31:55 | [George-] | ? |
| 20:31:58 | whardier | some day you will die :) |
| 20:32:08 | [George-] | yeh |
| 20:32:09 | [George-] | everyone does |
| 20:32:11 | whardier | some day I will be reborn as a beautifull butterfly |
| 20:32:17 | [George-] | lol |
| 20:32:31 | whardier | well I will have to be a callipitter first |
| 20:32:46 | [George-] | whardier: some day you'll be reborn as an ugly george- |
| 20:32:47 | [George-] | :) |
| 20:32:54 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:36:46) |
| 20:32:57 | erikd | some day i'll figure out this .ui stuff *cough* |
| 20:33:01 | erikd | :) |
| 20:33:12 | whardier | I would walk more |
| 20:33:14 | whardier | if it were less boring |
| 20:33:30 | whardier | like.. when it is 30 degrees outside |
| 20:33:32 | whardier | I will walk :) |
| 20:33:35 | whardier | cause then its not boring |
| 20:34:15 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:34:23 | whardier | are poor people in 3rd world countries.. poor ? |
| 20:34:31 | treke | thinks he'll start working out again tonight |
| 20:34:43 | whardier | treke! I would assume you biked :) |
| 20:34:57 | treke | hehe, good guess though :) |
| 20:35:06 | treke | (thats where the nick came from) |
| 20:35:48 | BZFlag | 4m7o8o9o3o12o6o |
| 20:35:48 | whardier | :) |
| 20:36:13 | treke | was trying to think of something to use on a hotmail account, and I took it from my fathers trek bike :) |
| 20:36:21 | | Test Failed! |
| 20:36:21 | mark | ibot: test |
| 20:36:25 | whardier | I drew a line of catnip from my living room to my back bedroom |
| 20:36:31 | whardier | they are right now passing my office |
| 20:41:00 | hunger | kergoth: I'd guess the kernel not building with my toolchain is a problem with binutils, not gcc. |
| 20:41:14 | hunger | kergoth: I get an internal error running arm-linux-ld. |
| 20:42:09 | whardier | http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=080020 |
| 20:42:10 | whardier | heh |
| 20:43:57 | Neo|Work | http://www.skizzers.org/andy/lego.html <- LEGO! |
| 20:44:03 | w00t | hi |
| 20:44:42 | w00t | i wish to mount a windows drive over a network (via samba) - is it ok if I just have libncurses and smbmount (and not the server)? |
| 20:44:57 | erikd | what program do i use to convert a designer .ui file to the .h/.cpp source? |
| 20:45:04 | w00t | this is of course regarding the Z |
| 20:45:19 | whardier | AUGH |
| 20:45:23 | whardier | pickle burps! |
| 20:45:27 | darienm | Neo|Work, any clue for my buddy erik ? |
| 20:46:05 | erikd | i thought tmake did it but apparently it doesn't want to =/ |
| 20:46:15 | Neo|Work | uic |
| 20:46:27 | Neo|Work | and a tmake makefile should do it itself |
| 20:46:27 | erikd | oooooh |
| 20:46:34 | whardier | icu |
| 20:46:37 | whardier | uci? |
| 20:46:39 | erikd | it's not =/ |
| 20:46:42 | whardier | uic!! |
| 20:46:42 | erikd | but thanks |
| 20:46:54 | Neo|Work | I think add INTERFACES = foo.ui or something |
| 20:47:22 | Neo|Work | yes, that should be it. of course make sure tmake reruns too |
| 20:48:27 | erikd | yeah, i have INTERFACES = toybase.ui and when i run tmake -o Makefile toys.pro it either has no toybase.h/.cpp or it has no .cpp and a .h with just a comment block in it |
| 20:48:48 | erikd | errr... i think i know what it is =/ |
| 20:48:59 | erikd | i'm using qt designer for qt 3 |
| 20:49:03 | Neo|Work | I never used the designed for anything except some failed attempts |
| 20:49:06 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 20:49:09 | Neo|Work | that could be it |
| 20:49:17 | erikd | bleh. |
| 20:51:22 | erikd | ah, i found the 2.3 one |
| 20:52:54 | VerxWork | Could someone give me a bit of Qt help? I want to pop up a dialog box to get input from a user. I am assuming that QMessageBox is NOT intended for getting information other than button presses |
| 20:53:21 | VerxWork | So a plain old dialog is what I do, just with the size set small enough that it ends up being on top of the application as a small window? |
| 20:53:38 | VerxWork | ie - is there a specific way I should do this, so I don't end up with something non standard |
| 20:54:58 | Neo|Work | what kind of input? |
| 20:55:09 | Neo|Work | how about a QInputDialog perhaps? |
| 20:55:10 | VerxWork | numeric - a number between 0 and 100 |
| 20:55:17 | Neo|Work | thjen that should work, check it out |
| 20:55:55 | Neo|Work | int QInputDialog::getInteger even |
| 20:56:00 | Neo|Work | static convinience method |
| 20:56:32 | warmi | Neo|Work: QInputDialog is not compiled in qte on the zaurus |
| 20:56:50 | warmi | they "left out" that particular class |
| 20:57:03 | VerxWork | warmi: heh |
| 20:57:05 | VerxWork | figures |
| 20:57:19 | whardier | I so do not wanna watch leave it to beaver |
| 20:57:22 | VerxWork | so if I make a dialog smaller than 240x300, will it automatically center it on the screen? |
| 20:57:25 | umopapisdn | warmi: is there some documentation somewhere what's been left out in the qte on the Z? |
| 20:57:33 | whardier | xena will have to do |
| 20:57:44 | whardier | I should get cable |
| 20:57:59 | VerxWork | whardier: I have every single channel on dish and there isn't a damned thing to watch |
| 20:57:59 | Oriumpor | whardier: so you can watch crummy shows?... or get crummy bandwith? |
| 20:58:01 | warmi | umopapisdn: not that I know of .. well, you can do diff in your qte/include vs qt_2.3/include :-) |
| 20:58:07 | umopapisdn | :) |
| 20:58:29 | warmi | VerxHome: it will center it on the screen only if your dialog does not have a parent window specified |
| 20:58:37 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 20:58:39 | VerxWork | ok |
| 20:58:39 | warmi | otherwise it will center it on top of the parent window |
| 20:58:40 | whardier | VerxWork: simpsons |
| 20:58:49 | erikd | WOOHOO! |
| 20:58:50 | VerxWork | so what happens if it does? |
| 20:58:50 | VerxWork | ok |
| 20:58:51 | Oriumpor | whardier: gnutella : P |
| 20:58:51 | whardier | I want cable so I can catch all the simpsons I have been missing :) |
| 20:58:52 | erikd | that was it |
| 20:58:58 | whardier | Oriumpor bad encodings :) |
| 20:59:00 | erikd | thanks guys =) |
| 20:59:05 | kergoth | hunger: odd |
| 20:59:10 | kergoth | re |
| 20:59:27 | whardier | PROGRAMS.. IT SEEMS WE HAVE A USER AMONG US! |
| 20:59:35 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:59:37 | Oriumpor | if mplayer -idx -ni -framedrop -fs -vo dga won't play it... I don't wanna watch it anyways |
| 20:59:39 | whardier | slaps Administrator with his data disc |
| 20:59:42 | kergoth | user? where? |
| 20:59:49 | warmi | VerxHome: think of it that way .. it will always center it on top of the parent window .. if you don't specify the parent window, then the desktop itself becomes the parent etc . |
| 21:00:28 | whardier | ultrasound.. |
| 21:00:34 | whardier | thats for impatient people |
| 21:00:35 | whardier | god this sucks |
| 21:00:40 | whardier | all I get is Oxygen and TV land |
| 21:00:46 | kergoth | tv sucks. |
| 21:00:52 | kergoth | I dont have cable, or an antenna |
| 21:00:53 | kergoth | i have no tv |
| 21:00:55 | whardier | I wanna get working on the freevo project |
| 21:00:59 | Oriumpor | DVD's aren't that bad |
| 21:01:01 | whardier | I have a lot to offer that project |
| 21:01:25 | treke | whardier: Like your incredible ability to bitch about poor video quality? |
| 21:01:26 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:01:27 | whardier | DAMNIT |
| 21:01:29 | whardier | THAT RULES!!! |
| 21:01:31 | whardier | AAUGH!!!! |
| 21:01:35 | whardier | WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT! |
| 21:01:40 | whardier | ADALSIDJFASLDKJDFJKLASDLKSDFJKL! |
| 21:01:45 | Oriumpor | Jet-Li, Bruce-lee, Wargames, bladerunner, sneakers |
| 21:01:45 | Oriumpor | etc |
| 21:01:46 | Oriumpor | etc |
| 21:01:51 | whardier | is going to make a linux based TiVo |
| 21:01:55 | whardier | with a network port :) |
| 21:02:00 | Oriumpor | tivo is linux based |
| 21:02:01 | whardier | and open formats! |
| 21:02:01 | whardier | hehehe |
| 21:02:02 | Oriumpor | ! |
| 21:02:03 | treke | freevo. that looks pretty fricken cool |
| 21:02:04 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 21:02:13 | whardier | treke: I need to redo their menu system |
| 21:02:23 | whardier | it .. just looks terrible |
| 21:02:27 | whardier | I could have a lot of fun with it |
| 21:02:31 | VerxWork | whardier: I have a linux based TiVo already |
| 21:02:32 | whardier | I would rather get mplayer working with evas2 |
| 21:02:34 | Oriumpor | I wanna get a pvr that doesn't have a monthly : / |
| 21:02:37 | whardier | so I can use opengl for everything |
| 21:02:41 | treke | sweet. and I've already got a g400 |
| 21:02:43 | whardier | then I will release a Freevo station :) |
| 21:02:50 | whardier | with a grorce 4 in it |
| 21:02:56 | whardier | and tivo will cry |
| 21:03:14 | Oriumpor | doesn't mencoder support ty? |
| 21:03:14 | treke | fuck. g400 is in my :( |
| 21:03:15 | whardier | what would be cooler :) is to add that support to a PS2 |
| 21:03:32 | whardier | store streams to its drive.. make it a tivo :) its not fast enouggh for some encoding |
| 21:03:37 | whardier | I could probably port over Nupple Video |
| 21:03:39 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:03:44 | whardier | is in think mode |
| 21:03:44 | mark | thanks whardier |
| 21:03:52 | whardier | mark? |
| 21:04:02 | mark | whardier: '/me slaps Administrator with his data disk' |
| 21:04:06 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:04:12 | whardier | well you didn't wanna be hacked :) |
| 21:04:17 | mark | hmm, /me is addicted to GTA atm |
| 21:04:51 | VerxWork | mark: gta3? |
| 21:04:53 | w00t | hey guys |
| 21:05:07 | [George-] | VerxWork: Grand Theft Auto 3 |
| 21:05:13 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 21:05:16 | w00t | yet another question about samba - im getting a bus error when trying to use smbmount |
| 21:05:23 | VerxWork | I was asking if mark was addicted to version 3 or what |
| 21:05:30 | [George-] | oh |
| 21:05:32 | VerxWork | he only said GTA |
| 21:05:37 | [George-] | he's not addicted, according to him |
| 21:05:37 | VerxWork | didn't specify a version |
| 21:05:40 | [George-] | yeh, he means 3 =P |
| 21:05:58 | VerxWork | <mark> hmm, /me is addicted to GTA atm |
| 21:05:58 | toolafial | GTA 1 and 2 are no where as good as 3 |
| 21:06:03 | VerxWork | looks like he is addicted |
| 21:06:09 | VerxWork | what is fun about gta? |
| 21:06:15 | VerxWork | I read about it - it sounded hella dumb |
| 21:06:15 | [George-] | <[George-]> you gonna get addicted? |
| 21:06:15 | [George-] | <[George-]> like me? |
| 21:06:15 | [George-] | <mark> no |
| 21:06:15 | [George-] | <mark> i dont get addicte |
| 21:06:34 | mark | VerxWork: yeh, 3. it rocks. |
| 21:06:40 | VerxWork | what is fun about it? |
| 21:06:50 | VerxWork | what game is similar or would you compare it too |
| 21:06:55 | mark | driver? |
| 21:07:09 | toolafial | VerxWork : stealing cars pimpin' hoes shooting ppl you name it it's all fun |
| 21:07:09 | VerxWork | heh, figures - never played it |
| 21:07:09 | Neo|Work | warmi: oh. Well, it's easy to make using QDialog or whatever |
| 21:07:10 | VerxWork | :) |
| 21:07:47 | Neo|Work | man, this is unusual. Swedish europop on a shoutcast channel. :P |
| 21:08:47 | Neo|Work | GTA3 is awesome although I've heard the PC version suffers from unreasonable hardware requirements |
| 21:08:52 | Neo|Work | the PS2 version is what I have |
| 21:09:11 | George- | No! *Craft rocks |
| 21:09:13 | George- | :))) |
| 21:09:14 | BZFlag | ljp: you around? jennifer is testing qperec and having issues. |
| 21:09:29 | BZFlag | ljp: seems that recording only works if compression is on. |
| 21:09:29 | toolafial | Neo|Work: yea, my hardware is at the min. requirement and the game is sometimes unplayable |
| 21:09:35 | VerxWork | NeoTron: I was considering the gta3 for pc version |
| 21:09:43 | w00t | does anyone know what "Bus Error" means, re: smbmount? |
| 21:09:44 | VerxWork | toolafial: What hardware do you have? |
| 21:09:57 | toolafial | 800 Mhz Duron, 32 Mb radeon |
| 21:10:02 | toolafial | 512Mb RAM |
| 21:10:06 | VerxWork | has a gf3, 1GB ram, 1.2 ghz cpu |
| 21:10:16 | VerxWork | sounds like it would still be sluggish at times |
| 21:10:23 | VerxWork | hasn't upgraded his PC in 2 years |
| 21:10:32 | VerxWork | (other than video) |
| 21:10:36 | VerxWork | that is just amazing to me |
| 21:10:41 | toolafial | I figure if I had a 64 Mb nvidia, and 1.4 Ghz it would be fine |
| 21:10:48 | Oriumpor | gf4 4600 rocks... |
| 21:10:57 | George- | radeon 9700 rocks... |
| 21:10:58 | VerxWork | even if I hadn't upgraded the video, my GF2 would have been fine for most things still |
| 21:11:06 | toolafial | it slows down when it rains, is foggy or there is a lot action |
| 21:11:06 | VerxWork | radeon sucks sooooo bad |
| 21:11:13 | VerxWork | will NEVER EVER buy another ATI produkt |
| 21:11:16 | George- | why? |
| 21:11:17 | Oriumpor | I bought a few P3 dualy mobos for like 45 bucks a few months ago and now that the cpus are almost reasonable |
| 21:11:23 | toolafial | I've been less than please with my radeaon |
| 21:11:27 | VerxWork | their drivers suck more ass than Trident |
| 21:11:35 | George- | uhhhh |
| 21:11:38 | George- | wtf!?!?! |
| 21:11:42 | VerxWork | I think I would prefer a 256K Trident to an ATI card |
| 21:11:48 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: what hardware do you have? |
| 21:11:49 | George- | this laptop has a trident shitty cyberblade |
| 21:11:52 | VerxWork | has a radeon 8700 |
| 21:11:56 | VerxWork | it is worthless |
| 21:11:59 | George- | why? |
| 21:12:01 | erikd | wants a radeon 9700 |
| 21:12:16 | Neo|Work | Funny thing is, the PPC version never suffers any performance problems at all |
| 21:12:18 | George- | yeh.. those 9700's |
| 21:12:21 | George- | *droollll* |
| 21:12:23 | George- | yeh |
| 21:12:27 | mark | Neo|Work: if youve got unreasonable hardware, gta3 is fine :) |
| 21:12:29 | George- | my PPC radeon rocks |
| 21:12:39 | VerxWork | George-: I can clock my gf2 down to probably 50mhz and it would outperform the 8700 |
| 21:12:52 | erikd | 414fps @ 1600x1200x32 with 4x FSAA on in jedi knight 2 |
| 21:12:53 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: do you know are you're talking about? |
| 21:12:54 | VerxWork | the hardware is capable enough |
| 21:12:54 | erikd | mmm |
| 21:12:55 | George- | VerxHome: why? |
| 21:13:01 | VerxWork | but the drivers are horrible |
| 21:13:05 | George- | erikd: That's insane |
| 21:13:15 | Neo|Work | the 9700 radeon outperforms the fastest GF4 by up to 50-60% |
| 21:13:16 | erikd | yeah, it is |
| 21:13:19 | George- | VerxWork: tried dri.sourceforge.net? |
| 21:13:19 | toolafial | needs to update his machine |
| 21:13:20 | Neo|Work | it's A LOT faster |
| 21:13:31 | VerxWork | NeoTron: I could care less - I will -*NEVER*- own an ATI again |
| 21:13:34 | George- | The 9700 is insane |
| 21:13:39 | VerxWork | ever |
| 21:13:44 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: for Linux I don't know |
| 21:13:46 | George- | VerxWork: Did you actually *try* looking for drivers? |
| 21:13:56 | erikd | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,388816,00.asp <-- *drool* |
| 21:13:57 | VerxWork | George-: Rofl - yeah - I spent 2 months on it |
| 21:13:58 | Neo|Work | but right now, once it's released, it'll be the fastest card on the market BY A LARGE MARGIN |
| 21:14:02 | Neo|Work | by a HUGE margin really |
| 21:14:12 | George- | VerxWork: did you try compiling ur own XF86? |
| 21:14:15 | VerxWork | George-: I was trying to explain to my wife why her brand new video card was getting less than 20 frames per second |
| 21:14:15 | Neo|Work | amazing leap up from GF4, again for Windows |
| 21:14:18 | w00t | as far as linux is concerned - nvidia kicks ati's ass, 10 times over |
| 21:14:23 | VerxWork | George-: This is on winXP |
| 21:14:28 | George- | oh |
| 21:14:31 | whardier | w00t :) |
| 21:14:31 | George- | on WinXP? |
| 21:14:33 | erikd | i must admit that ati's older drivers are terrible, though |
| 21:14:36 | w00t | i have a radeon - and still havent been able to play 3d on my linux |
| 21:14:42 | VerxWork | George-: I don't do anything but text with linux |
| 21:14:42 | mark | 100fps is insane |
| 21:14:44 | George- | wtF? |
| 21:14:45 | erikd | i can't even run the newest drivers on my laptop |
| 21:14:46 | w00t | and I have xf 4.2 |
| 21:14:49 | VerxWork | except on the ipaq I have |
| 21:14:49 | George- | I have a crazed PPC radeon |
| 21:14:54 | George- | and DRI works great, dammit |
| 21:14:56 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: go read the review of the 9700.. apparently it has new drivers too |
| 21:15:03 | George- | 420fps in glxgears :) |
| 21:15:08 | VerxWork | NeoTron: I am unwilling |
| 21:15:09 | Neo|Work | and although they couldn't publish actual FPS, it really does seem to do an awesome job |
| 21:15:10 | fusion94 | i got to go find a dual head card for my g4 |
| 21:15:19 | VerxWork | wtf did bitchx do to your nick neo |
| 21:15:21 | VerxWork | damn |
| 21:15:43 | VerxWork | Neo|Work: I am unwilling. I just flat refuse to look at an ATI |
| 21:15:50 | erikd | i get 380fps in glxgears |
| 21:15:50 | Neo|Work | however, my next planned upgrade is sometime end of year, and then the NV30 should be out and it should beat 9700 with a fair amount |
| 21:15:56 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: neotron == home nic |
| 21:16:00 | VerxWork | if they refunded me the $300 I should have spent on a $20 trident instead - I would consider looking at them |
| 21:16:10 | w00t | so, has noone ever received a bus error message when trying to mount smbmount (sorry to get back to the topic this forum was intended for) |
| 21:16:14 | George- | Neo|Work: yeh, *then* ati will release a new gfx card |
| 21:16:18 | George- | and so on and so forth |
| 21:16:26 | whardier | http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=earthviewer |
| 21:16:29 | whardier | thats just neat BTW |
| 21:17:00 | Neo|Work | George-: what I'm saying is that I probably won't get it because of lack of supported Linux drivers and since my next upgrade time will feature an even better card |
| 21:17:03 | George- | I want that 9700 :) |
| 21:17:08 | whardier | 1 800 GOO YAFFA |
| 21:17:20 | George- | heh, I remember when ATI announced that ther were officially supporting linux |
| 21:17:50 | Neo|Work | and nvidia will always have their superduper drivers |
| 21:18:03 | VerxWork | nvidia is going to drive ati out of business |
| 21:18:16 | Neo|Work | I mean, last time ATI came out with an NVidia killer, it only took a new driver release for NVidia to surpass them again |
| 21:18:19 | George- | nvidia suck |
| 21:18:21 | George- | =P |
| 21:18:30 | George- | The only decent gfx cards for notebooks, are the ATI ones |
| 21:18:32 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: you're still running Linux ??? as a desktop OS ?? you need help |
| 21:18:40 | George- | imho |
| 21:18:49 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: you are incorrect. They will be the choice highest end user card for like 5-6 months and will probably get a lot of sales |
| 21:18:51 | scanline | fusion94: haha |
| 21:18:58 | Neo|Work | fusion94: of course I am |
| 21:19:11 | fusion94 | smacks sense back into Neo|Work |
| 21:19:16 | VerxWork | NeoTron: Nvidia has already killed ATI |
| 21:19:16 | Neo|Work | WinXP on my home box loses the audio card after like 5-10 minutes so I can't even use it to play games! |
| 21:19:21 | Neo|Work | worthless piece of shit |
| 21:19:22 | VerxWork | all that remains is for ATI to go broke |
| 21:19:30 | Neo|Work | you are so wrong |
| 21:19:32 | VerxWork | heh |
| 21:19:39 | VerxWork | wait a bit my friend |
| 21:19:41 | VerxWork | you shall see |
| 21:19:42 | Neo|Work | they have killed ATI in the same way 3Dfx killed NVidia |
| 21:19:46 | VerxWork | no |
| 21:19:49 | fusion94 | um |
| 21:19:52 | VerxWork | nvidia killed 3dfx |
| 21:19:59 | VerxWork | 3dfx was the winner in 3d |
| 21:20:05 | fusion94 | 3dfx didn't have to kill nvidia....nvidia got suckered into buying 3dfx |
| 21:20:08 | Neo|Work | but for a while, nvidia looked like they were dying due to 3dfx |
| 21:20:12 | VerxWork | but then they never invented anything past the voodoo1 |
| 21:20:22 | Neo|Work | and then they came with the 3dfx killer, and it all turned around |
| 21:20:32 | George- | VerxWork: which ATI card did you have? |
| 21:20:40 | toolafial | Neo|Work is does not need help for running Linux as a desktop OS |
| 21:20:43 | toolafial | because I do too |
| 21:20:43 | VerxWork | no - nvidia was on the same road they are now back when the voodoo2 was released |
| 21:20:53 | Neo|Work | and ATI just did the same. They ahve a very good chance of being ahead of or equal to nvidia |
| 21:20:55 | toolafial | and it kicks window's sorry ass |
| 21:21:15 | fusion94 | toolafial: yeah but you like work for caldera.....you're a tool of the Mormon church |
| 21:21:34 | toolafial | fusion94 : are you really as dumb as you sound? |
| 21:21:38 | George- | -fusion94- VERSION xchat 1.8.1 Linux 2.4.7-10smp [i686/1002MHz/SMP] |
| 21:21:44 | Neo|Work | toolafial: nah, he isn't. :P |
| 21:21:58 | George- | fusions just kidding around =P |
| 21:22:02 | VerxWork | George-: I just looked it up |
| 21:22:10 | George- | VerxWork: yeh? |
| 21:22:22 | fusion94 | toolafial: no i spent 3+ years at VA Linux Systems as a Software Engineering Manager trying to make linux a decent desktop OS |
| 21:22:24 | VerxWork | it is a radeon 8500 128MB, which is a TNT frigging ONE wannabe |
| 21:22:30 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: in either case, the home 3D market has two players - NVidia and ATI |
| 21:22:46 | VerxWork | NeoTron: ATI is in the same sad 3d consumer market boat as matrox |
| 21:22:50 | toolafial | well, look where VA is now ... |
| 21:22:53 | George- | http://www.ati.com/support/products/pc/radeon8500/winxp/radeon8500winxpdrivers.html?cboOS=Windows+XP&cboProducts=RADEON+8500+128&cmdNext=GO%21 |
| 21:22:54 | VerxWork | at least matrox has the cad market to keep it alive |
| 21:23:00 | toolafial | so you must have failed |
| 21:23:00 | George- | VerxWork: http://www.ati.com/support/products/pc/radeon8500/winxp/radeon8500winxpdrivers.html?cboOS=Windows+XP&cboProducts=RADEON+8500+128&cmdNext=GO%21 |
| 21:23:03 | Neo|Work | fusion94: VA tried to make Linux a desktop OS? I thought it was all about servers there |
| 21:23:10 | VerxWork | ati has the same driver quality as matrox - zero |
| 21:23:14 | fusion94 | George-: and well until i get dual-display support on my g4 i'll still irc from this box... |
| 21:23:24 | Neo|Work | although Matrox' latest is hardly superior for that. |
| 21:23:29 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: nah....why you think Raster worked for me ? |
| 21:23:32 | warmi | NeoTron: I used 2 generations of 3dfx products .. now I switched to ATI and will stay with them, |
| 21:23:44 | warmi | I don't like NVidia |
| 21:23:46 | Neo|Work | fusion94: didn't know he did. :P |
| 21:23:50 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: enlightenment isn't exactly needed for servers |
| 21:23:52 | Oriumpor | I just want damn linux drivers |
| 21:23:53 | warmi | I am not sure why .. but I don't :-) |
| 21:23:54 | George- | VerxWork: did you try that driver? |
| 21:23:59 | fusion94 | yeah he was muh bitch for awhile |
| 21:24:02 | fusion94 | heh |
| 21:24:08 | George- | fusion94: G4? |
| 21:24:09 | Neo|Work | besides, I don't think E anything is needed for Linux. looks nice perhaps, but the performance rivals WinXP |
| 21:24:10 | fusion94 | i made him learn Perl |
| 21:24:12 | Oriumpor | I would use the hercules if the drivers weren't bunk |
| 21:24:15 | fusion94 | he was so pissed |
| 21:24:20 | Neo|Work | poor guy |
| 21:24:34 | fusion94 | George-: Apple Powermac g4 tower |
| 21:24:41 | George- | fusion94: lucky fuck! |
| 21:24:45 | warmi | fusion94: cause forcing people to learn Perl _is_ cruel |
| 21:24:56 | | challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 21:24:56 | angryBSD | ibot, challenge |
| 21:25:39 | mark | angryBSD: decided what ur gonna do? |
| 21:25:41 | | fusion94 is nothing but a craven gob of tottering cat-hair-balls. |
| 21:25:41 | toolafial | ibot insult fusion94 |
| 21:25:41 | George- | hates NVIDIA |
| 21:25:47 | George- | orr.... nVIDIA |
| 21:26:03 | fusion94 | toolafial: um...this one is worse |
| 21:26:07 | George- | mark: he doesn't have much choice now lol |
| 21:26:08 | | well, fusion94 is the wanker that wrote sourceforge |
| 21:26:08 | fusion94 | ibot: whois fusion94 |
| 21:26:20 | George- | fusion94: you wrote sf? |
| 21:26:22 | warmi | George-: heheeh |
| 21:26:31 | fusion94 | yeah...hello |
| 21:26:31 | George- | fusion94:or is that a pile of crap? :) |
| 21:26:39 | fusion94 | both |
| 21:26:44 | fusion94 | it is a PoS |
| 21:26:48 | George- | ok |
| 21:26:51 | George- | warmi: hehe |
| 21:26:56 | fusion94 | i know....some of MY code is still in there |
| 21:28:08 | George- | what |
| 21:28:16 | George- | cout << "fuck you sourceforge"; |
| 21:28:17 | George- | ? |
| 21:29:11 | VerxWork | George-: I looked at those links |
| 21:29:18 | w00t | holy shit tony - u did |
| 21:29:18 | George- | VerxWork: and...? |
| 21:29:19 | VerxWork | I have tried ati drivers |
| 21:29:21 | VerxWork | they suck ass |
| 21:29:24 | George- | blah |
| 21:29:31 | VerxWork | I replaced the card with a tnt 1 |
| 21:29:34 | George- | better than 20fps |
| 21:29:35 | Harlekin | kergoth: ping |
| 21:29:35 | VerxWork | it is about 4 times faster |
| 21:29:36 | Harlekin | kergoth: ping |
| 21:29:36 | Harlekin | kergoth: ping |
| 21:29:39 | George- | tnt1 sucks |
| 21:29:44 | VerxWork | I know it does |
| 21:29:46 | George- | hi Harlekin |
| 21:29:48 | VerxWork | but it runs circles around ati |
| 21:29:56 | George- | radeon 8500 would kick tnt1 |
| 21:29:59 | George- | easily |
| 21:30:05 | VerxWork | SPEC WISE yes |
| 21:30:08 | VerxWork | driver wise |
| 21:30:14 | VerxWork | it is just sick and wrong |
| 21:30:14 | George- | even with the shittiest drivers |
| 21:30:18 | VerxWork | rofl |
| 21:30:19 | George- | it would kick tnt1 |
| 21:30:25 | VerxWork | yeah well |
| 21:30:32 | fusion94 | hwh |
| 21:30:32 | whardier | visible panty lines.. are hot |
| 21:30:33 | fusion94 | heh |
| 21:30:34 | VerxWork | the 3 people I know that bought those in my 3d gaming club |
| 21:30:37 | whardier | according to this TV station |
| 21:30:38 | VerxWork | none of them are still using it |
| 21:30:39 | fusion94 | man.... |
| 21:30:52 | VerxWork | actually, out of over 130 people in the club |
| 21:30:57 | VerxWork | there is only one person with an ati card |
| 21:30:59 | VerxWork | and he is new |
| 21:31:07 | VerxWork | and guess what - he is getting less than 30 fps |
| 21:31:14 | VerxWork | on a 2.2ghz box |
| 21:31:17 | scanline | what kind of ARI card? |
| 21:31:20 | scanline | err, ATI |
| 21:31:26 | | drago was last seen on #zaurus 168 days, 1 hours, 14 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: v23_work, how does x11 run on it? [Thu Feb 7 20:17:03 2002] |
| 21:31:26 | angryBSD | ibot, seen drago |
| 21:31:28 | VerxWork | hit is a 7500 |
| 21:31:34 | VerxWork | er, his is a 7500 |
| 21:31:41 | | v23 was last seen on #zaurus 166 days, 2 hours, 8 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: try it 3 times. Ignore the errors. I'm not joking: it used to work after 3 tries... [Sat Feb 9 19:23:05 2002] |
| 21:31:41 | angryBSD | ibot, seen v23 |
| 21:31:59 | | v23_work was last seen on #zaurus 166 days, 23 hours, 20 seconds ago, saying: thanks [Fri Feb 8 22:31:39 2002] |
| 21:31:59 | angryBSD | ibot, seen v23_work |
| 21:32:11 | George- | yeh, well you ppl shouldn't use Winblze :) |
| 21:32:13 | whardier | my damn jaw needs help |
| 21:32:14 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:32:16 | George- | lol |
| 21:32:21 | whardier | hits himself a few times |
| 21:32:53 | roge99_laptop | hands whardier a 2x4 |
| 21:32:57 | roge99_laptop | is back (gone 16:36:10) |
| 21:33:11 | George- | has a TNT2 nVIDIA in his desktop |
| 21:33:17 | George- | can't be bothered to get DRI working |
| 21:33:45 | warmi | VerxHome: you have nVidia ? |
| 21:33:51 | VerxWork | George-: like it or not - linux is a server os - not a desktop os. Windows has the desktop and isn't going to lose it |
| 21:33:58 | warmi | oh tnt1 |
| 21:34:08 | VerxWork | warmi: Yeah, I bought a gf3 ti200 and I run it at the ti500 speed |
| 21:34:10 | George- | VerxWork: blah, I don't run shitty windows on my desktop |
| 21:34:24 | George- | VerxWork: ie - desktop systems as opposed to servers |
| 21:34:31 | roge99_laptop | i havent used windows as a desktop for years |
| 21:34:33 | VerxWork | George-: And back when I was all linux holy smitten, I didn't either |
| 21:34:35 | VerxWork | then I woke up |
| 21:34:37 | George- | VerxWork: and yes, it *can* get into the desktop market - look at OS X |
| 21:35:18 | George- | and plz, tell me why you don't think linux will make it into the desktop arena? |
| 21:35:26 | warmi | George-: OSX is controlled by a single company , running on a known and well defined hardware |
| 21:35:44 | George- | ys |
| 21:35:45 | George- | yes |
| 21:35:49 | George- | but what's wrong with linux? |
| 21:36:02 | George- | being controlled by no one? |
| 21:36:09 | roge99_laptop | ill have to agree w/ warmi ... linux as an end user desktop still has a way to go |
| 21:36:16 | Neo|Work | fusion94: btw, buy me a powermac and I'll use it alongside my linux desktop, just to make you happy. :) |
| 21:36:18 | warmi | George-: lack of standards |
| 21:36:45 | warmi | George-: on a desktop system you have to have someone dictating how this all should come together .. etc |
| 21:36:51 | VerxWork | George-: Linux on the desktop is just a sad sad joke |
| 21:36:56 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: heh....if you want my g3 blue/white come get it |
| 21:37:05 | VerxWork | it took me about 8 years of loving linux before I was willing to admint it |
| 21:37:07 | VerxWork | er, admit |
| 21:37:19 | VerxWork | linux gui's are 99% unfinished programs |
| 21:37:24 | warmi | VerxHome: maybe not a "sad joke" for it kind of works for people who just use a single tool |
| 21:37:32 | VerxWork | and they have about 50 - 60% of the functionality of windows programs |
| 21:37:37 | Neo|Work | fusion94: are you offering me a free G3? :P "come get it" is of course hard since I doubt you live anywhere near I do |
| 21:37:57 | VerxWork | once I realized how VERY much time I was wasting on the windows desktop |
| 21:37:59 | VerxWork | I switched |
| 21:38:00 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: well we're both on the "left" coast |
| 21:38:11 | George- | warmi: hmm, if the LSB ever get their act together... |
| 21:38:12 | VerxWork | and life has been absolutely beautiful ever since |
| 21:38:18 | VerxWork | I use Linux for server stuff - text based stuff |
| 21:38:20 | Wintre | There's very little consistency between toolkits. Cut and paste from OpenOffice to KMail doesn't work, for example |
| 21:38:22 | VerxWork | and I use windows as my gui |
| 21:38:45 | Wintre | Different looks, many many programs and toolkits have different behaviors, etc. |
| 21:38:49 | George- | fusion94: hey, can I have ur blue&white G3? :) |
| 21:38:55 | mark | Wintre: yep, its a mess |
| 21:38:56 | Wintre | It's all a result of the flexibility which is a Unix hallmark |
| 21:38:57 | warmi | Wintre: yeah .. precisely .. cut and paste does not work between many apps .. especially when crossing different widget toolkits |
| 21:39:25 | Wintre | think about the differences between running different *window*managers* alone |
| 21:39:31 | George- | GTK and Qt work together... |
| 21:39:41 | warmi | Wintre: windows offers as much flexibility .. it is very much possible to replace default WM |
| 21:39:43 | Wintre | All this is good on Unix, because Unix is targetted at computer scientists |
| 21:39:56 | Wintre | warmi: Almost nobody does. |
| 21:39:57 | warmi | George-: Motif and Qt don't work together for one |
| 21:40:02 | George- | motif is dead |
| 21:40:04 | warmi | Wintre: yeah .. but it is possible |
| 21:40:13 | VerxWork | Wintre: Exactly. On Linux, getting two apps to share some data with object modelling is cool. The fact that there isn't any consistency and that it only shares about 1/20th the data windows apps share is all held off by how COOOOOL it is that Linux got some little tidbit to work |
| 21:40:25 | Wintre | Unix has lots of nice stuff to handle life as a server, as a desktop OS (for the right kind of user), etc etc. |
| 21:40:27 | Neo|Work | warmi: of course, windows wm replacements are even worse and less stable than tbe average linux desktop |
| 21:40:41 | warmi | Wintre: that's just bad coding then |
| 21:40:42 | Wintre | Most of it is historical stuff which has no place at all on a modern PC user's machine. |
| 21:40:50 | VerxWork | I mean, I love opie to death - it is one of the FEW applications of Linux gui's that is worthwhile in my opinion, but when they went ON AND ON about finally being able to beam contacts back and forth, I just yawned |
| 21:40:53 | warmi | I mean that was for Neo|Work |
| 21:41:03 | George- | Wintre: referring to XFree86? |
| 21:41:08 | Wintre | No |
| 21:41:14 | Wintre | I'm referring to the distribution as a whole |
| 21:41:20 | George- | I must admit, XFree86 and X11 etc are all crap |
| 21:41:30 | George- | X11 is an old technology, that *really* needs to be replaced |
| 21:41:44 | VerxWork | George-: The fact that most any installation of X window has Xeyes included is part of the hilarity of how old fashioned everything X is. |
| 21:41:45 | Wintre | I've heard X slagged off a lot. There are a lot of problems, granted, but most of them aren't important to users or really to programmers |
| 21:42:01 | George- | VerxWork: LOL :) |
| 21:42:08 | George- | VerxWork: I like xeyes, it's cute :) |
| 21:42:21 | Wintre | What's more important, to my mind, is that every modern Linux distribution tries to be a Real Unix, with all the historical baggage that implies |
| 21:42:42 | Neo|Work | X11 isn't that damn bad really |
| 21:42:50 | Wintre | There's nothing wrong with the technologies; those are all fine for life on the desktop. It's the conceptualization which has problems. |
| 21:42:53 | VerxWork | George-: I mean, now that it is 2002, we can make xterms with transparent backgrounds and os X like window decorations, but we can't expect to print to the printer that was placed on the store shelf 30 minutes ago - the brand new model with windows drivers |
| 21:42:54 | George- | Perhaps they should make a "Nunix" :) |
| 21:42:54 | Neo|Work | still superior to windows in so many ways |
| 21:42:59 | Neo|Work | like remote apps |
| 21:43:19 | warmi | Neo|Work: Winterminal will do that just as nicely |
| 21:43:39 | George- | VerxWork: I only buy printers that I know work... |
| 21:43:47 | VerxWork | NeoTron: I loved how you can do remote apps on X. Truly I did. But I kept coming back to not being able to use my hardware |
| 21:43:52 | warmi | but .. the truth is, for whatever reason .. windows apps consistently outperform X based apps |
| 21:43:53 | Wintre | I really would like to see an OS based on the Linux kernel and shell and fileutils but designed to discard the historical stuff |
| 21:43:54 | VerxWork | George-: EXACTLY |
| 21:44:04 | VerxWork | George-: You have decided that you enjoy having limited choices. |
| 21:44:14 | George- | nop[e |
| 21:44:15 | VerxWork | George-: I have decided I like having UNLIMITED choices |
| 21:44:18 | Neo|Work | I use my HP PSC 950 USB printer/scanner/etc with Linux |
| 21:44:24 | George- | I don't use printers too much |
| 21:44:26 | George- | so I don't care |
| 21:44:36 | Neo|Work | and printing, scanning and accessing the builtin media (CF, etc) drives work |
| 21:44:41 | oGMo | VerxWork, yes you can---most new printers work, just not winprinters |
| 21:44:43 | Neo|Work | faxing from the computer is planned |
| 21:44:48 | oGMo | VerxWork: and even some of those work |
| 21:44:52 | VerxWork | George-: The fact that Linux as a desktop works for a few people isn't really of concern - it doesn't work for the masses |
| 21:45:01 | Neo|Work | it truely is getting a lot better these days |
| 21:45:10 | Wintre | Heh. It's worth noting that *Windows* on the desktop really isn't that great either |
| 21:45:25 | treke | VerxWork: It isnt as much that we enjoy having limited choices, it's that the downside of limited choices is balanced by other upsides |
| 21:45:32 | oGMo | VerxWork: the only reason it doesn't work for the masses is because the masses aren't getting it preinstalled on their machines |
| 21:45:33 | treke | at least in my book |
| 21:45:34 | warmi | Wintre: it is the best of what's available .. including OSX |
| 21:45:37 | George- | the thing is |
| 21:45:38 | Neo|Work | the only reason my wife now uses windows was because of some stupid MSN community she wanted to join, and of course that requires MSIE |
| 21:45:40 | warmi | it just works |
| 21:45:40 | Wintre | How many people without serious computer skills can reinstall Windows on their machine? |
| 21:45:41 | George- | that you lot are bitching |
| 21:45:43 | George- | about something |
| 21:45:46 | George- | that isn't linux's fault |
| 21:45:47 | VerxWork | NeoTron: So you visit a webpage with a web visualization plugin - what do you do? You choose to decide it doesn't matter to you. Meanwhile, the windows users use it |
| 21:45:51 | Neo|Work | kind of sad because she's used Linux as her desktop for many years |
| 21:46:06 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: and in all likelyhood, you're better off |
| 21:46:09 | George- | if these companies that make printers etc don't have the decency to see that Linux is a viable alternative |
| 21:46:10 | warmi | Neo|Work: you don't use Windows at all ? |
| 21:46:14 | George- | I'm not gonna buy their products |
| 21:46:15 | Neo|Work | funky plugins rarely add value |
| 21:46:17 | George- | FULL STOP |
| 21:46:22 | Neo|Work | warmi: more or less correct |
| 21:46:23 | | windows is probably a trap,...an evil pit of quicksand that conjures people away from being free. A small door to freedom can be found at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/WindowsPPPHowto http://www.linux.org or http://www.linux.com |
| 21:46:23 | angryBSD | ibot windows |
| 21:46:25 | George- | same issue with VerxWork's problem with ATI |
| 21:46:37 | | sniper is a Sharp marketing slave. or evil or not really that evil, really or BUT I LIE! |
| 21:46:37 | angryBSD | ibot sniper |
| 21:46:38 | Neo|Work | warmi: if I use it, it's for gaming and since it currently doesn't work right I don't do that either |
| 21:46:39 | | well, angrybsd is one silly motherfucker |
| 21:46:40 | angryBSD | ibot angrybsd |
| 21:47:08 | VerxWork | well, just for the record - I love Linux - for server stuff |
| 21:47:16 | erikd | now that i can actually compile and test stuff, I -love- the zaurus =) |
| 21:47:18 | VerxWork | once I went that route - 100% of my issues went away |
| 21:47:21 | erikd | and qt |
| 21:47:29 | angryBSD | and java on hte Z! |
| 21:47:31 | warmi | erikd: heheh .. finally got all this working ? |
| 21:47:35 | VerxWork | and once I went to Windows as my desktop, I had no issues |
| 21:47:38 | erikd | yup :) |
| 21:47:41 | oGMo | yeah well, i love linux for my desktop, and wouldn't have it any other way |
| 21:47:42 | VerxWork | I mean, VNC solved the last bit of X wants |
| 21:47:43 | VerxWork | :) |
| 21:47:44 | oGMo | :) |
| 21:47:52 | oGMo | and my laptop |
| 21:47:54 | oGMo | and... my PDA |
| 21:47:56 | oGMo | ;) |
| 21:47:58 | erikd | i found a util that converts rpm's to debs so i could install the binary packages |
| 21:47:59 | George- | VerxWork: strange... |
| 21:48:00 | VerxWork | I love linux on my pda |
| 21:48:07 | George- | VerxWork: I have no problems with Linux on the desktop |
| 21:48:08 | VerxWork | but I wouldn't ever run X on it |
| 21:48:11 | Wintre | I hate Windows on my desktop |
| 21:48:13 | erikd | then from there i just had to understand how the compiling process works |
| 21:48:13 | VerxWork | that would be like going back 20 years |
| 21:48:16 | Neo|Work | George-: buy HP, they officially work with Linux support. which is why my PSC works so nicely |
| 21:48:17 | warmi | erikd: uhh .. you run Debian .. |
| 21:48:21 | erikd | yeah |
| 21:48:24 | erikd | i love it |
| 21:48:25 | George- | Neo|Work: heh, already do :) |
| 21:48:34 | oGMo | no, X would be like jumping ahead 20 years, but it's not exactly appropriate on a PDA |
| 21:48:36 | George- | Neo|Work: HP laserjet 2100M, HP desktop 930C :) |
| 21:48:39 | warmi | erikd: no comment |
| 21:48:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:48:42 | Wintre | Of course, I'm a troglodyte when it comes to the Web, and use Windows to play gamse... |
| 21:48:42 | VerxWork | George-: You have chosen to make decisions that avoid the problems of linux as a desktop. Others in the world aren't willing to do so |
| 21:48:44 | George- | Neo|Work: Both work great :) |
| 21:48:48 | oGMo | i kinda wouldn't mind a mini X server for Qtopia though |
| 21:48:49 | erikd | heh, what's wrong with debian? :) |
| 21:48:59 | KhensU | erikd: notheing |
| 21:49:01 | Neo|Work | the best printer is always network ones with ps + lpd running on them. :) |
| 21:49:03 | VerxWork | erikd: Debian rocks |
| 21:49:03 | treke | funny thing is that in some ways X is superior to Opie in handling the display :) |
| 21:49:11 | oGMo | treke: yeah |
| 21:49:13 | George- | what linux needs |
| 21:49:14 | Neo|Work | or even some HP printers which you FTP a PS file to and it prints it |
| 21:49:17 | Neo|Work | that's awesome. :) |
| 21:49:17 | George- | is a larger userbase |
| 21:49:19 | warmi | erikd: everything , including its name but that's a topic for another lenghty discussion ... and I have to catch my train |
| 21:49:23 | warmi | see you later folks |
| 21:49:26 | Wintre | I tend to agree with Neo, since most everything on Unix expects a PS printer |
| 21:49:27 | erikd | heh |
| 21:49:28 | erikd | bye |
| 21:49:29 | George- | so these stupid damn companies say "ahhh, linux is what our customers want" |
| 21:49:36 | erikd | bah |
| 21:49:37 | oGMo | treke: i wouldn't mind displaying some X apps remotely... sitting on the couch watching tv using the Z to wirelessly control everything... ;) |
| 21:49:40 | VerxWork | NeoTron: So install ghostscript and send ps to it and have it send it to your printer |
| 21:49:53 | erikd | i was about to ask 'em if he's one of the people that hates the name ogg vorbis, too ;) |
| 21:49:54 | VerxWork | George-: Not happening to any great degree |
| 21:50:08 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: thing is, i don't HAVE any problems on the desktop. I do check compatibility before, like buying NVidia cards (which so far hasn't been an issue since they are the best, or were at least) |
| 21:50:09 | treke | oGMo: I'm thinking more of 1) font handling and 2) ability to rotate the screen on the fly mostly |
| 21:50:15 | VerxWork | George-: People have that happen so little that they point in droves when some company announces they will support linux |
| 21:50:20 | VerxWork | "LOOK! ANOTHER ONE!" |
| 21:50:20 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: I have no problem printing as I said |
| 21:50:44 | VerxWork | NeoTron: When I was trying to use Linux as a desktop os, I made all those buying decisions |
| 21:50:49 | oGMo | treke: X is superior to Qt/E in those regards? |
| 21:50:55 | treke | oGMo: Much |
| 21:51:00 | VerxWork | it got old |
| 21:51:02 | oGMo | hmmm |
| 21:51:04 | VerxWork | I wanted the stuff I couldn't have |
| 21:51:09 | VerxWork | I got gifts from people I couldn't use |
| 21:51:11 | oGMo | i could see fonts, but i didn't know you could rotate the display in X :) |
| 21:51:15 | George- | are there any X11 alternatives, btw? |
| 21:51:18 | treke | oGMo: easilly |
| 21:51:23 | oGMo | treke: nifty |
| 21:51:24 | George- | apart from shitty Qte |
| 21:51:24 | treke | George-: Berlin in theory |
| 21:51:31 | George- | Berlin == ? |
| 21:51:31 | treke | not on the ipaq |
| 21:51:33 | Wintre | Georg: No |
| 21:51:35 | treke | well picogui |
| 21:51:37 | oGMo | HAH. berlin. |
| 21:51:41 | Wintre | None I have ever heard of |
| 21:51:47 | George- | what's berlin? |
| 21:51:51 | George- | Fresco? |
| 21:51:52 | treke | oGMo: It rotates and resizes the desktop |
| 21:51:54 | erikd | is a QString like a c++ stdlib string? |
| 21:51:56 | oGMo | George-: berlin is vaporware by people who don't know what they're doing |
| 21:51:59 | treke | George-: Probably. they may have renamed it |
| 21:52:26 | treke | oGMo: So instead of a single app rotating or having to restart opie, the entire desktop just magically changes orientation |
| 21:52:31 | oGMo | George-: it's supposed to be the X-killer, except the developers have yet to produce anything viable, and the design they talk about evidences the fact that they don't know what they're doing |
| 21:52:40 | oGMo | treke: hmm |
| 21:52:49 | treke | George-: And they've been working on it for who knows how long |
| 21:52:50 | Wintre | And Berlin's been around for something like 6 years without producing anything. |
| 21:52:56 | oGMo | for 10+ years |
| 21:53:01 | Wintre | 10+? No way |
| 21:53:05 | oGMo | well, it's only 2002 i guess |
| 21:53:17 | oGMo | i remember seeing stuff in about 1993 in a Linux Journal about Berlin |
| 21:53:35 | oGMo | or maybe 94, but still it was one of the very early LJ's |
| 21:53:43 | hunger | Wintre: Hey, Berlin works (somewhat) and is comming along (slowly). |
| 21:53:46 | Wintre | 94 maybe |
| 21:53:51 | Wintre | hunger: Heh. |
| 21:53:53 | Neo|Work | erikd: similar. it's copy-on-write, so basically static shared strings |
| 21:54:02 | Wintre | hunger: That may be one of the most qualified endorsements I've seen :) |
| 21:54:04 | hunger | Wintre: And it has code 18 years old:-) |
| 21:54:10 | VerxWork | George-: Just remember - I love Linux, just not for the same reasons as you |
| 21:54:10 | VerxWork | :) |
| 21:54:11 | Wintre | Well, so has X ;) |
| 21:54:32 | hunger | Wintre: Well, we are working on it. In fact we are close to releasing 0.3 soonish:-) |
| 21:54:35 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: you probably think server-only ports of games is cool too? :-P |
| 21:54:47 | treke | lets all just love qtopia and be happy |
| 21:54:49 | George- | brb |
| 21:54:50 | hunger | Wintre: Of course I've been telling that to people for a month now;-) |
| 21:55:07 | oGMo | i like qt/e and i don't think anything's wrong with it for PDA's at least |
| 21:55:41 | hunger | Wintre: Yes, X has code as old. But then the architecture sucked even back then:-) |
| 21:55:49 | Wintre | I'd really like to see a project which is geared towards building a desktop-oriented modern Linux-like OS |
| 21:56:06 | Wintre | One which uses one GUI and one toolkit |
| 21:56:13 | VerxWork | NeoTron: Hell yeah - I love when they port the servers for games |
| 21:56:15 | treke | Wintre: like KDE? |
| 21:56:15 | hunger | Wintre: Help us. |
| 21:56:16 | oGMo | Wintre: you're approaching things wrong |
| 21:56:20 | Wintre | Which provides a high-level application framework |
| 21:56:24 | oGMo | Wintre: if you want that, go pick KDE or GNOME |
| 21:56:29 | oGMo | both do what you describe |
| 21:56:29 | George- | hiiiii |
| 21:56:34 | Wintre | So that there is an API for, for example, settings |
| 21:56:38 | Wintre | ogmo: No, they don't |
| 21:56:47 | treke | oGMo: QT/e seems to work pretty well, most of its problems seem to be impletmentation stuff that could probably be fixed |
| 21:56:54 | Wintre | They provide desktop environments on a traditional Unix OS |
| 21:56:57 | treke | oGMo: Tat and its a bit ram hungry |
| 21:57:07 | Wintre | treke: As I said, no ;) |
| 21:57:13 | oGMo | Wintre: one GUI, one toolkit (Qt), high-level API (Kparts, etc.), settings, yadda |
| 21:57:21 | mark | Wintre: its called atheos |
| 21:57:28 | Wintre | mark: Maybe so |
| 21:57:29 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: save us from you! Server-only ports are evil! |
| 21:57:34 | mark | Wintre: ;) |
| 21:57:37 | oGMo | you're looking at the picture wrong though |
| 21:57:43 | Neo|Work | unless I would be paid to do them that is. :) |
| 21:57:44 | oGMo | writing a desktop isn't the place to start |
| 21:57:51 | Wintre | oGMo: Except it still coexists with lots of other stuff |
| 21:57:59 | oGMo | treke: yeah, i could see that maybe it's a bit heavyweight, but ... hrm |
| 21:58:00 | hunger | oGMo: Agreed. |
| 21:58:19 | oGMo | Wintre: hrm? |
| 21:58:27 | treke | oGMo: Not a big problem, just a bit of an observation. |
| 21:58:28 | Wintre | ogmo: I think you're misinterpreting. I don't want to write or reinvent a desktop environment. I want to put a good environment onto an OS which is designed to support it |
| 21:58:58 | Wintre | How much stuff is there in Unix to support historical functionality which is obsolete? |
| 21:59:15 | oGMo | Wintre: i don't think that's exactly the path that needs taken |
| 21:59:16 | hunger | Wintre: The one thing wrong with both KDE and gnome is that they try to copy windows in one way or another. |
| 21:59:17 | VerxWork | NeoTron: Well, if it makes you feel any better, I don't vocalize it to anyone |
| 21:59:18 | Wintre | When's the last time you ever used any runlevel other than halt, reboot, and your default |
| 21:59:22 | oGMo | Wintre: er, none? heh |
| 21:59:32 | Wintre | oGMo: Indeed. Why have it? |
| 21:59:36 | oGMo | unix/posix/etc. is an OS which provides stuff an OS needs to provide |
| 21:59:42 | VerxWork | NeoTron: I just happily install the servers and play the games on windows |
| 22:00:05 | Neo|Work | I play on my games on Linux! |
| 22:00:05 | Wintre | Consider /lib, /usr/lib, /var/lib... All there for good reasons. At least they once were. Is that the case today? |
| 22:00:40 | oGMo | Wintre: you've got to step back and look at the bigger picture and see that writing desktops and applications based on guis etc. is just not the right way to develop stuff in the first place, that it doesn't really solve any problem at hand, and that there's a better way |
| 22:00:53 | Wintre | ogmo: What do you think that is? |
| 22:01:16 | treke | Wintre: They have there place for some applications. On a desktop they arent nearly as important |
| 22:01:20 | oGMo | Wintre: my project, of course! ;) |
| 22:01:21 | hunger | Wintre: MacOS X does a nice job. |
| 22:01:43 | Wintre | hunger: Yeah, that's probably the case. Too bad Apple's also the palace of style over usability |
| 22:01:50 | Wintre | oGMo: Which is...? |
| 22:01:50 | hunger | Wintre: It still is based on a real unix. |
| 22:01:52 | oGMo | Wintre: unity-project.sf.net. Get rid of apps, files, etc. Write classes which are used directly by the user. |
| 22:02:21 | VerxWork | well, see y'all |
| 22:02:31 | oGMo | no more "word processor" which is tied to Qt/Gtk/tk-of-the-week |
| 22:02:33 | Wintre | treke: Right. In a traditional Unix, they make sense. On a desktop machine, they don't. It's a mistake to take a Linux distribution modeled after traditional Unix and try to make it work on the desktop. |
| 22:03:12 | oGMo | you write a Document class that manages DocumentItems, which can render themselves. If you want a GUI, write a GUIDocumentView or something, or a TextDocumentView for the console, whatever. |
| 22:03:21 | hunger | oGMo: That would fit nicely into fresco (formerly berlin) :-) |
| 22:04:04 | hunger | oGMo: We do basically something simular on a graphics level: There's only objects (graphics) which can be arranged to for more complex graphics. |
| 22:04:10 | Wintre | ogmo: I'm reading. |
| 22:04:19 | oGMo | hunger, maybe, but I think _i'm_ closer to having production code than the berlin group ;) |
| 22:04:30 | Wintre | ogmo: I'm not advocating a computing revolution or change of paradigm as you clearly are |
| 22:04:32 | oGMo | Wintre: that page is kinda fluffy, but you should at least get the general gist |
| 22:04:33 | hunger | oGMo: Probably:-) |
| 22:04:58 | hunger | oGMo: But we do make progress, albeit slowly. |
| 22:05:03 | Wintre | I simply think that Unix is in a lot of ways the wrong tool for the desktop job, and using the wrong tool is certainly not the Unix way ;) |
| 22:05:19 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 02:50:40) |
| 22:05:26 | oGMo | Wintre: well, i am, because there are innumerable desktops, and all of them suck. Writing apps sucks, and wasts 95% of your time on stuff not related to the problem at hand. There needs to be some drastic change. |
| 22:06:32 | oGMo | Wintre: unix is an OS, like many others, except it sucks less in many regards. There's nothing it has that makes it unsuitable for the desktop, and many things it has that makes it _more_ suitable. (Being a true multi-user OS, etc.) |
| 22:06:50 | oGMo | hunger, well get crackin' :) |
| 22:07:11 | Wintre | "True multi-user OS", while something I think is very important, is actually not vital on the desktop. |
| 22:07:21 | oGMo | it's _very_ vital |
| 22:07:31 | Wintre | Desktops by definition are used by one person at a time |
| 22:07:48 | oGMo | that is wrong |
| 22:08:02 | Wintre | Certainly you need multiple user accounts which are well separated (which Unix accomplishes much better than Windows) but simultaneous usage is uncommon |
| 22:08:05 | kergoth | Wintre: unix isnt by its nature inable to fill teh desktop void, but all current unices are, imho. |
| 22:08:10 | oGMo | don't have the notion that "desktops are desktops, and servers are servers", because it ain't so |
| 22:08:42 | oGMo | Wintre: No-one accesses things on your local machine while you're using it? You never access things on another machine? |
| 22:08:43 | Wintre | Yes, I realize that the distinction is arbitrary. |
| 22:08:47 | hunger | oGMo: I agree with you. Unix is a good basis to build something on. It is X that sucks. |
| 22:08:51 | oGMo | there _is_ no distinction |
| 22:08:57 | kergoth | Wintre: a unix-like os could be designed for the desktop. its just that none are yet., |
| 22:09:08 | oGMo | there is no "desktop" and there is no "server", there are only levels of dedication to each task ;) |
| 22:09:13 | Wintre | kergoth: And, if you scroll back, you'll see that's precisely what I'm suggesting |
| 22:09:21 | W|GGL|T | buy a commercial X then |
| 22:09:24 | Oriumpor | friggen religious zealots |
| 22:09:26 | kergoth | Wintre: well then :-) |
| 22:09:28 | kergoth | Oriumpor: lol |
| 22:09:29 | Oriumpor | unix is good for some things |
| 22:09:37 | oGMo | hunger: i don't agree that X sucks, though |
| 22:09:38 | Oriumpor | and it isn't at others . yet |
| 22:09:43 | Oriumpor | (or at least for free) |
| 22:09:46 | kergoth | agrees that X sucks |
| 22:09:50 | Oriumpor | X sucks |
| 22:09:55 | oGMo | how? |
| 22:10:00 | Oriumpor | it needs work |
| 22:10:01 | hunger | oGMo: It is way too low-level. |
| 22:10:05 | W|GGL|T | it works...that's all i care about |
| 22:10:09 | oGMo | hunger, that's a feature, not a bug |
| 22:10:10 | Oriumpor | true enough |
| 22:10:11 | mark | imo, linux not getting to the desktop is more a) not running windows apps && b) lack of driver support more than anything else |
| 22:10:20 | oGMo | it allows me to write something like Unity |
| 22:10:30 | oGMo | since if it were all tied to writing apps, that would be much harder |
| 22:10:40 | Wintre | I'm a sysadmin. It's very useful for me to be able to administrate somebody's machine remotely |
| 22:10:42 | hunger | oGMo: A framebuffer enables you to write unity! |
| 22:10:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:10:51 | Wintre | I wish I could do this with Windows as easily as with Linux |
| 22:10:53 | Oriumpor | right click manage |
| 22:11:05 | Wintre | But a desktop machine is, by defintion, intended for use by one person. |
| 22:11:09 | kergoth | I really dislike the way X handles fonts |
| 22:11:12 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 22:11:13 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 22:11:15 | mark | kergoth: yeh, that sucks |
| 22:11:15 | oGMo | hunger, anything does, as long as it's not tied closely to a concept that is at odds with it |
| 22:11:17 | Oriumpor | fonts suck |
| 22:11:19 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 22:11:20 | hunger | oGMo: You can not do hardware acceleration on the X level very well. So you need extensions all over the place. |
| 22:11:33 | kergoth | directfb looks pretty nifty. |
| 22:11:34 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 22:11:37 | Wintre | Now it's a side effect of the one-OS-everywhere idea that the distinction is arbitrary |
| 22:11:38 | oGMo | hunger: erm, contrary to what may be popular opinion, extensions are good :) |
| 22:11:44 | W|GGL|T | needs to filter those colors |
| 22:11:46 | treke | br33zy: Cut it out |
| 22:11:47 | br33zy | someone say moo! |
| 22:11:54 | treke | br33zy: say nothing |
| 22:12:01 | oGMo | the fact you can adapt X after 20 years to use the most modern hardware is evidence that it is in fact a flexible architecture |
| 22:12:03 | kergoth | oGMo: extensions are good. everyone using DIFFFERENT extensions is bad. fractures effort. |
| 22:12:04 | br33zy | moo |
| 22:12:26 | treke | oh wait. forgot about ignore |
| 22:12:27 | hunger | oGMo: The concept is good, agreed. But the wild growth we are seeing is *BAD*. |
| 22:12:29 | Oriumpor | just... overhaul the whole damn thing |
| 22:12:34 | kergoth | oGMo: but thats more a open source community problem than a X problem :-) |
| 22:12:35 | oGMo | kergoth, yeah, but with stuff like XFree86 that isn't happening so much |
| 22:12:36 | Oriumpor | and I'll use the console |
| 22:12:45 | W|GGL|T | thinks br33zy works for gateway |
| 22:12:45 | hunger | Oriumpor: That's what we are doing with fresco. |
| 22:12:50 | kergoth | oGMo: it is in the widget space. |
| 22:13:05 | oGMo | kergoth, meh... having choice is good |
| 22:13:11 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:13:15 | oGMo | would you like to be stuck with only gtk? |
| 22:13:20 | W|GGL|T | later Mickey|away |
| 22:13:20 | kergoth | oGMo: I agree, but choices without standards fractures effort. |
| 22:13:22 | oGMo | motif people would rather everything but Motif go away |
| 22:13:28 | hunger | oGMo: No, you can adapt X to run on modern hardware. You cannot have it support it! |
| 22:13:29 | Oriumpor | the secret thing missing from most of linux that people want ... graphical installers... cause people are stupid and wanna click next |
| 22:13:45 | kergoth | Oriumpor: no, i like debian's install method :-) |
| 22:13:47 | Oriumpor | and not type rpm -i ... or tar -zxvf ; ./configure;make;make install |
| 22:13:52 | kergoth | Oriumpor: but you're right, most people do |
| 22:14:00 | oGMo | kergoth, there are enough resources to go around to support all efforts, i think. If everyone was working on one thing, nothing would get done, because they could never reach enough agreement to go forward |
| 22:14:01 | hunger | oGMo: Think of such simple things as wheel mice: You need to map the wheel to buttons to get X to work with it. |
| 22:14:09 | kergoth | Oriumpor: man, suse 8's installer is slick and easy.. |
| 22:14:15 | Oriumpor | I like suse |
| 22:14:16 | treke | tries thinking of a new topic |
| 22:14:22 | oGMo | hunger: er, like what hardware? the latest nvidia stuff seems to work just fine |
| 22:14:29 | treke | What zaurus apps do you wat the most |
| 22:14:30 | oGMo | hunger: so? that's flexibility for you |
| 22:14:31 | Oriumpor | is stupid |
| 22:14:33 | whardier | doh |
| 22:14:38 | whardier | my machine hosting some files died |
| 22:14:41 | W|GGL|T | was always suse until 7.3 |
| 22:14:46 | hunger | oGMo: No that's ugly hacks. |
| 22:15:00 | erikd | i -really- like qt |
| 22:15:02 | erikd | did i mention that before? |
| 22:15:04 | kergoth | oGMo: yes, i agree they would disagree, but the fact is, the 'bazaar' is limited by its fractured efforts. |
| 22:15:05 | Oriumpor | qt is pretty |
| 22:15:09 | W|GGL|T | can't stand yast2 |
| 22:15:11 | kergoth | erikd: qt is nice.. easy.. |
| 22:15:14 | erikd | yeah |
| 22:15:16 | treke | qt is nice to develop with |
| 22:15:18 | hunger | oGMo: And the nvidia card runs as well as a 5 year old 2D acceleration card looking at the features used (when not runing OpenGL). |
| 22:15:19 | erikd | it's amazingly eazy |
| 22:15:21 | erikd | err |
| 22:15:22 | erikd | easy |
| 22:15:24 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: well, the installer is smooth, but doing shit after install sucks |
| 22:15:27 | hunger | Of course RAM, etc. got faster. |
| 22:15:41 | erikd | MS should just forget the windows api and go with qt ;) |
| 22:15:46 | oGMo | kergoth: i think the bazaar is furthered by its diversity, since not everyone wants a cathedral |
| 22:15:51 | kergoth | hunger: true that, my ati mach 32 as fucking fast in 2d |
| 22:16:13 | oGMo | hunger: judging there aren't any new 2D features, that's a bit misleading ;) |
| 22:16:24 | kergoth | oGMo: well, the end user doesnt want a bunch of huts, one hut for each group of individuals.. they want a skyscraper :-) |
| 22:16:25 | | drago was last seen on #zaurus 168 days, 1 hours, 59 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: v23_work, how does x11 run on it? [Thu Feb 7 20:17:03 2002] |
| 22:16:25 | angryBSD | ibot seen drago |
| 22:16:41 | hunger | kergoth: Apple is heading for OpenGL for its rendering backend, MS for DirectX8. |
| 22:16:43 | kergoth | oGMo: I agree wholeheartedly, but supporting the end user is more difficult. |
| 22:16:54 | oGMo | the only REAL gripe people have with X is that it can't do cute transparency without some big extensions people haven't been willing to do, but transparency is just cute eyecandy anyway |
| 22:16:59 | kergoth | hunger: heh. why am i not surprised |
| 22:17:02 | | angryBSD: i'm not following you... |
| 22:17:02 | angryBSD | ibot drago |
| 22:17:06 | | angryBSD: what? |
| 22:17:06 | angryBSD | ibot drago |
| 22:17:10 | kergoth | oGMo: cute eye candy is good, its all a matter of priorities |
| 22:17:18 | | wish i knew, angrybsd |
| 22:17:18 | angryBSD | ibot drago is some random guy who came on here over 100 days ago |
| 22:17:20 | | angryBSD: huh? |
| 22:17:20 | angryBSD | ibot drago |
| 22:17:32 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah, but scrapping something robust like X for something trivial like transparency is a bit silly |
| 22:17:32 | hunger | kergoth: The OSS crowd sticks to pixels, even most of the guys wanting to do a better X:-( |
| 22:17:46 | kergoth | oGMo: I never said i advocated dropping X over transparency |
| 22:17:51 | oGMo | unless you come up with something really robust that does transparency too |
| 22:17:56 | oGMo | kergoth: i know |
| 22:18:01 | kergoth | oGMo: I just said that transparency can be a valid concern, depending on your priorities |
| 22:18:09 | kergoth | hunger: yes, its unfortunate |
| 22:18:14 | treke | oGMo: XFree86 also has problems doing things like resizing the desktop and changing color depths for now |
| 22:18:16 | Neo|Work | wow. deja vu for PocketPC |
| 22:18:18 | Neo|Work | that's cool |
| 22:18:18 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah, and i agree---i certainly wouldn't mind it, it looks nice ;) |
| 22:18:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:18:24 | hunger | oGMo: Take a look at Fresco... the architecture is so nice, allowing for so many things in a natural way. |
| 22:18:29 | Wintre | oGMo: Have you actually done anything with this Unity thing besides toss around ideas? |
| 22:18:31 | kergoth | hunger: url? :-) |
| 22:18:39 | hunger | kergoth: www.fresco.org |
| 22:18:44 | kergoth | oGMo: I really like your unity concept though.. but i still think X sucks :-) |
| 22:18:52 | kergoth | oGMo: but to each his own |
| 22:19:00 | hunger | kergoth: Or try www2.fresco.org for the next site that is supposed to be up for a while. |
| 22:19:15 | kergoth | hunger: k.. did you ever try accessing OZ cvs via ssh? |
| 22:19:15 | oGMo | treke, that's not really an issue anymore, and even some windows apps have trouble changing color depths. No reason X couldn't change, it's just a headache that's not worth the effort. Besides, everyone is running in 32bpp now, or should be |
| 22:19:22 | hunger | kergoth: You know how it is... it's still a bit unpolished. |
| 22:19:42 | oGMo | kergoth: i think X has issues, but until there's a really viable alternative, it sucks less ;) |
| 22:19:45 | hunger | kergoth: I had no access via ssh till you made me a developer today. |
| 22:20:00 | oGMo | i'd love to see something like DPS or DPDF, if it handled the same network transparency X did |
| 22:20:02 | kergoth | hunger: okay, but its working now that you're a dev. good. |
| 22:20:13 | hunger | kergoth: I have not tried yet:-) |
| 22:20:21 | kergoth | hunger: ah. :-) |
| 22:20:23 | oGMo | kergoth: ya thanks ;) hopefully something usable will be there in the next year |
| 22:20:25 | hunger | oGMo: DPS is not the way to go... |
| 22:20:31 | kergoth | hunger: so are you porting fresco to the Z? ;-) |
| 22:20:32 | treke | oGMo: Handy for being able to switch to 16bpp for games that run at 16bpp |
| 22:20:44 | Oriumpor | I love the osX transparency... it's probably what's gonna push me over the edge to shell out the bucks for a G4 PB |
| 22:20:52 | hunger | oGMo: I had lengthy discussions with the GNUstep guys about it. It is optimized for printers, not screens. |
| 22:20:55 | treke | oGMo: And X's only problem is with old toolkits that wouldnt be able to handle the switch |
| 22:21:00 | hunger | kergoth: Yes:-) |
| 22:21:04 | oGMo | treke, i don't know many that are limited to 16bpp |
| 22:21:07 | kergoth | hunger: nice |
| 22:21:13 | Wintre | wonders if he made it onto ogmo's ignore list |
| 22:21:17 | hunger | kergoth: It will be dead slow:-) |
| 22:21:22 | kergoth | hunger: i picture like 8 incarnations of OZ, each rootfs with a different gui.. hehe |
| 22:21:23 | scanline | thinks, "Oh boy, another discussion about next generation GUIs" |
| 22:21:27 | oGMo | treke, that's the main problem, and it WOULD be correctable with some effort ... |
| 22:21:27 | kergoth | hunger: hah |
| 22:21:28 | kergoth | scanline: lol |
| 22:21:29 | treke | oGMo: A lot of them arent limited, but do conversion up to 32bpp which is a bit slow |
| 22:21:32 | kergoth | scanline: ready to jump in? :-P |
| 22:21:33 | oGMo | Wintre: no... did i miss something? ;) |
| 22:21:39 | oGMo | oh |
| 22:21:43 | scanline | kergoth: hehe.. nah, too busy coding ;) |
| 22:21:46 | Wintre | oGMo: Yeah... Have you actually done anything with this Unity thing besides toss around ideas? |
| 22:21:58 | oGMo | Wintre: sorry... yeah, i've got a few lines of code behind it ;) the core is almost completely laid out, if not coded |
| 22:22:02 | kergoth | scanline: man, if that was the case for everyone else, a lot would be getting done.. ;-) |
| 22:22:02 | oGMo | hang on, phone |
| 22:22:05 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 22:22:05 | treke | oGMo: yeah, the code is being written, it's all those old apps that might break :) |
| 22:22:13 | scanline | kergoth: :) |
| 22:22:36 | Oriumpor | treke: they're out in the open and can be fixed quickly |
| 22:22:37 | oGMo | treke: heh yeah |
| 22:22:40 | treke | oGMo: and it's probably working in the ipaq X :) |
| 22:22:52 | treke | Oriumpor: more likely no one actually uses the apps and wouldnt notice :) |
| 22:22:58 | sieve | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:23:00 | Oriumpor | true enough |
| 22:23:09 | Oriumpor | but, if someone does, they _can_ |
| 22:23:30 | oGMo | theoretically, you might run everything through a virtual X which acts somewhat like that forwarding server, except translates 16bpp -> 32bpp ... ;) |
| 22:23:34 | treke | mostly, closed source stuff may have problems. Which is why I dont like closed source :) |
| 22:23:50 | treke | tinyX has all kinds of nifty experimental stuff in it :) |
| 22:23:58 | hunger | oGMo: It's so ugly that an application developer has to bother with such things! |
| 22:24:04 | kergoth | oGMo: i think people are arguing that X is impaired by having to have too many layers.. its flexible, but numerous layers slows things down |
| 22:24:12 | kergoth | oGMo: such as your forwarding idea there.. |
| 22:24:12 | erikd | does anyone know if it's possible to download all the trolltech docs in a tarball somewhere? |
| 22:24:14 | Oriumpor | slow things down a lot |
| 22:24:21 | erikd | it'd be nice to have these local |
| 22:24:22 | Oriumpor | probably why I only run bbox anymore : / |
| 22:24:31 | Wintre | erikd: They're included in the sources |
| 22:24:32 | oGMo | Wintre: the main thing is getting the core finished. unfortunately i have a bit of work to do that i'm supposed to be getting paid for, so that's taking priority at the moment, but i'm planning on using it eventually for that anyway, so i'll resume soon enough |
| 22:24:39 | erikd | wintre: ah, ok |
| 22:24:41 | erikd | thanks :) |
| 22:24:43 | scanline | kergoth: I might have a way to run Qt apps on top of PicoGUI soon |
| 22:24:44 | kergoth | oGMo: yeah, damn that real work getting in the way :-) |
| 22:24:48 | oGMo | hunger, developing applications is an ugly business |
| 22:24:49 | kergoth | scanline: ooo.. :-) |
| 22:24:53 | oGMo | kergoth: :) |
| 22:24:57 | Oriumpor | friggen real work |
| 22:25:00 | Oriumpor | screw it. |
| 22:25:06 | kergoth | office space |
| 22:25:06 | hunger | oGMo: Use fresco:-) We provide device independent graphics. |
| 22:25:09 | mark | scanline: sounds cool. what is it? |
| 22:25:14 | kergoth | "Yeah, i dont like work.. i dont think i'll go anymore." |
| 22:25:24 | scanline | mark: See the FAQ on http://picogui.org |
| 22:25:24 | kergoth | "bills... yeah i dont like paying bills.." |
| 22:25:26 | sieve | hehe swingline red stapler |
| 22:25:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:25:35 | Wintre | ogmo: Have you considered how this thing is actually suppose to work? Like, you write about "just create a new Document" |
| 22:25:38 | hunger | scanline: Are you working on picogui? |
| 22:25:38 | oGMo | kergoth: actually the forwarding bit is a hack, there would be more elegant ways, like the toolkits supporting depth switching, but ;) |
| 22:25:43 | scanline | mark: it's sort of like fresco, but more targeted for embedded systems |
| 22:25:45 | scanline | hunger: yes |
| 22:25:53 | Wintre | What kind of interface do you envision? Say some GUI default |
| 22:25:55 | kergoth | oGMo: even so, there are a lot of toolkits and layers in the way.. it reduces speed |
| 22:25:56 | mark | scanline: i meant whats the way :) |
| 22:25:59 | oGMo | Wintre: yeah, if you've got any questions, feel free to ask. I've contemplated this for many years. |
| 22:26:01 | hunger | scanline: That's a really cool project. I'm following it closely. |
| 22:26:02 | Wintre | How do I know what's a "document"? |
| 22:26:08 | hunger | scanline: Keep up the good work. |
| 22:26:14 | scanline | hunger: cool :) |
| 22:26:22 | kergoth | oGMo: i'd argue that a newly architected system, though less flexible, would be more optimized for most environments. |
| 22:26:25 | Wintre | What about all the child classes? HTML or LaTeX or PostScript documents? Can I create those? |
| 22:26:35 | oGMo | Wintre: because it's a document. An object is what it is, and all the information about it is available. |
| 22:26:36 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | hmmm |
| 22:26:42 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | gnome for PDAs |
| 22:26:44 | hunger | scanline: In fact it is the only cool GUI project (besides fresco of course) that I know of. And I know a lot. |
| 22:26:46 | Wintre | Or is it a business letter? Or a personal letter? Email? |
| 22:26:48 | angryBSD | question: can i download the zaurus windows desktop sync software somewhere??? |
| 22:26:51 | Wintre | How are you slicing that? |
| 22:27:00 | oGMo | kergoth: i dunno, it doesn't seem too slow to me |
| 22:27:00 | kergoth | hunger: what about evas(2)? |
| 22:27:02 | scanline | mark: oh.. a framebuffer emulator, so that X, Gtk, and Qt stuff could all be run as a PicoGUI app |
| 22:27:02 | kergoth | hunger: :-) |
| 22:27:14 | oGMo | Wintre: if you mean how do you organize your objects, that's different |
| 22:27:16 | scanline | mark: it would be way too much work if it's even possible to do emulation at the widget level |
| 22:27:17 | hunger | kergoth: Pixelbased hack;-) |
| 22:27:19 | kergoth | oGMo: just because we dont notijce it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist :-) |
| 22:27:31 | scanline | hunger: wow, thanks for the compliment |
| 22:27:40 | kergoth | hunger: hah.. but evas looks well architected.. though i havent read raster's 190 page pdf yet.... |
| 22:27:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:28:16 | hunger | kergoth: Yeah. But it still is the same concepts as used in X with a modernised interface. |
| 22:28:17 | kergoth | hunger: but its really in a lower layer than fresco or picogui i'd think |
| 22:28:23 | hunger | kergoth: Not really inovative. |
| 22:28:31 | oGMo | kergoth: well, even in the days when hardware wasn't running at 2GHz, speed with X wasn't so bad. I mean, it's been around for 20 years. People just write slow stuff today... if you want a light widget set, those are around. I mean, Qt/E isn't considerably more responsive than Qt/X, so ... |
| 22:28:47 | Wintre | ogmo: I think it's a normal programmer thing to say "Ok, so you create this abstract Document thing, in some abstract way dependent upon your UI layer" |
| 22:28:49 | hunger | kergoth: Well, if it gets widely supported we will just write an evas backend. |
| 22:28:51 | kergoth | oGMo: qt/e IS qt/x minus some classes |
| 22:29:01 | kergoth | oGMo: I'm talking about less layers, not less classes :-) |
| 22:29:04 | oGMo | Wintre: and no, you can't create an HTML or LaTeX or Postscript document, because you just don't need to |
| 22:29:18 | Wintre | But I wonder if you've envisioned all the concrete aspects of actual use |
| 22:29:24 | scanline | Well, if you like less layers DirectFB is good |
| 22:29:28 | oGMo | kergoth, there are less layers... qt/e just writes to the framebuffer, no X "layer" ;) |
| 22:29:28 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 22:29:34 | kergoth | scanline: yeah directfb looks nice |
| 22:29:35 | oGMo | Wintre: i have |
| 22:29:39 | mark | scanline: ah i see |
| 22:29:44 | kergoth | oGMo: point taken |
| 22:29:45 | mark | hmm, me thinks directfb looks cool |
| 22:29:56 | Wintre | X on my Diamon Stealth 64 was pretty zippy. |
| 22:29:56 | kergoth | oGMo: but you're also running on an embedded system |
| 22:30:00 | oGMo | Wintre: ok, think of it like this... how would you write a "hello world" application? |
| 22:30:01 | angryBSD | sweet |
| 22:30:03 | scanline | For a GUI to be useful you need layers to coordinate multiple applications |
| 22:30:03 | Wintre | It was pretty good on my Stealth 24 as well. |
| 22:30:16 | angryBSD | my zaurus shall be brought by within the hourx0r |
| 22:30:20 | oGMo | Wintre: typically, you make something like int main() { printf("hello world\n"); }, right? |
| 22:30:22 | Wintre | oGMo: vi hello.c; <tappety-tappety>, sabe... |
| 22:30:28 | Wintre | s/abe/ave/ |
| 22:30:32 | kergoth | scanline: I agree. but i argue against additional layers to work around a design limitation. |
| 22:30:46 | Wintre | Effectively. |
| 22:30:55 | kergoth | scanline: or i should say, a limitation of the design |
| 22:31:06 | oGMo | Wintre: with unity, you drag over a new string and set the contents to "hello world", and you're done |
| 22:31:15 | scanline | kergoth: it would be cool to have a kernel-level doodad that could give different applications access to only part of the framebuffer |
| 22:31:23 | Wintre | ogmo: Who is your target? |
| 22:31:29 | Wintre | s/.$/audience?/ |
| 22:31:34 | oGMo | Wintre, everyone |
| 22:31:41 | kergoth | scanline: thats an idea. something like whardier's buffers per window he talked about the other day, but in kerenl spacce? |
| 22:31:45 | kergoth | god i cant type today |
| 22:31:51 | oGMo | of course, not everyone is going to be playing around with low-level classes like string, but |
| 22:31:51 | Wintre | Ok. When's the last time you explained the difference between a string and an integer to your mom? |
| 22:32:07 | oGMo | Wintre: when was the last time your mom installed a compiler? |
| 22:32:15 | hunger | scanline: I disagree. Why should an application have access to the framebuffer? |
| 22:32:21 | oGMo | Wintre: just because your mom doesn't use it doesn't mean it's not available |
| 22:32:26 | Wintre | Never, but then I'm not the one suggesting a revolutionary paradigm ;) |
| 22:32:28 | scanline | kergoth: yeah... so you'd have a /dev/wb/* or something for window buffers, and there would be a compositing engine in a kernel module? That would be kind of like what OS X does... |
| 22:32:34 | scanline | is just throwing out random ideas here ;) |
| 22:32:41 | kergoth | scanline: compositing in kernel space... hmmmm |
| 22:32:49 | hunger | scanline: An app needs to be able to draw. All the lowlevel details (resolution, color depth) are just a hassle to burden a developer with. |
| 22:33:02 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: I've found a bug |
| 22:33:03 | oGMo | Wintre: your proverbial mom would likely not play around with low-level objects, but then she would not be writing hello.c, either |
| 22:33:07 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: lol |
| 22:33:10 | scanline | hunger: I'm not arguing that an app should, I'm just saying that if you want to get away from layers as much as possible, that's the way to do it |
| 22:33:11 | Wintre | ogmo: Indeed not. |
| 22:33:21 | kergoth | hunger: for embedded systems, primarily, i'd say |
| 22:33:27 | scanline | hunger: you could have a library that handles drawing most of the time |
| 22:33:32 | Wintre | So where do I get this "string" object? |
| 22:33:32 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: in your sleep? damn you're good. :-P |
| 22:33:33 | oGMo | Wintre: however you're overlooking the point ... that is, accomplishing the same goal via different, and much more direct, means |
| 22:33:42 | Wintre | No, I'm not. I understand your point. |
| 22:33:50 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: in beta 10.4, a CF card which is formatted ext2 won't mount, complaining of an invalid argument. SDs work, though |
| 22:33:51 | oGMo | well, that's how Unity works |
| 22:33:58 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: known bug, look at the sf bug tracker |
| 22:33:59 | hunger | scanline: But if you have a library handeling drawing, why do you need the kernel to provide windows? |
| 22:34:08 | oGMo | if you want to make a new document, you create a new Document object and put things like TextItem into it |
| 22:34:11 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: I'm gonna look in fstab, and see what's going on |
| 22:34:12 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: havent nailed that one down yet .. iirc its a option in /etc/fstab .. user i believe.. |
| 22:34:20 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: yeah, remove the user option from the cf card |
| 22:34:25 | scanline | hunger: it lets multiple apps exist on the screen without ability to interfere with each other |
| 22:34:27 | oGMo | (having predefined templates is likely, too) |
| 22:34:33 | Wintre | Where do I get a "document"? From some object palette? |
| 22:34:35 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: afaik, the CF *should* work in the same way as the SD |
| 22:34:39 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: Okies |
| 22:34:43 | oGMo | Wintre: that's probable |
| 22:34:50 | hunger | scanline: A lib can do the same thing without bloating the kernel. |
| 22:34:59 | oGMo | or a class palette, to be more exact, or perhaps a palette of templates |
| 22:35:07 | oGMo | (ever used OS/2 WPS?) |
| 22:35:25 | hunger | scanline: Have you read about plan9's GUI system? |
| 22:35:35 | Wintre | How's it organized? From your description all relationships are arbitrary (which has an interesting impact on your "inherited ACL" idea) |
| 22:35:37 | kergoth | hunger: url? |
| 22:35:37 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: it's strange. the CF entry in fstab is exactly the same as the SD entry |
| 22:35:38 | Wintre | No, never |
| 22:35:39 | hunger | scanline: That does basically what you are suggesting. |
| 22:35:39 | Wintre | Heh |
| 22:35:39 | kergoth | hunger: :-) |
| 22:35:40 | scanline | hunger: well, I just thought that /dev would be a good method to make window buffers available |
| 22:35:45 | Wintre | hunger: Ah, Plan 9. |
| 22:35:46 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: just remove user, will you.. :-) |
| 22:35:52 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | hunger: Plan9 == old OS, right? |
| 22:35:53 | oGMo | Wintre: however the fact you actually get it from there doesn't mean that the object knows in any way about the GUI or palette... which is kinda neat |
| 22:35:55 | scanline | hunger: it's just a random idea, I've already got PicoGUI to work on, and it's design is much different :) |
| 22:35:57 | Wintre | Too bad I never did more than diddle a little. |
| 22:35:57 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: lol, ok |
| 22:36:02 | hunger | kergoth: Check the links page on www2.fresco.org |
| 22:36:20 | Wintre | oGMo: I don't care a whit about the beauty of the abstraction, I want to write a letter to mom :) |
| 22:36:22 | hunger | scanline: It's goot to keep an eye on what others do:-) |
| 22:36:23 | oGMo | Wintre: yes, relations are arbitrary, since one person might want files-and-folders, another might want rooms |
| 22:36:29 | scanline | hunger: yep |
| 22:36:35 | Wintre | (ok, I do care about the beauty of abstraction, but that's beside the point) |
| 22:36:42 | hunger | scanline: That's why I am following picogui. |
| 22:36:55 | oGMo | Wintre: so you drag "Personal Letter" out of Templates, double-click it, type some text, and drag it to the printer ;) |
| 22:36:56 | Wintre | So, how do I find the "document" template to create a new item from? |
| 22:36:59 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: didn't do anything |
| 22:37:06 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: same error? |
| 22:37:16 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: hang on |
| 22:37:20 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: we may be running into a bug or lack of functionality in busybox mount |
| 22:37:20 | hunger | Wintre: Get squeak and play around with it. |
| 22:37:29 | Wintre | hunger: squeak? |
| 22:37:37 | oGMo | Wintre: it's on your desktop, or it's on my theoretical "toolbox" |
| 22:37:47 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: ok |
| 22:37:53 | Wintre | oGMo: What about spell checking? What about all the formatting? |
| 22:37:53 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: when I insert it into Opie |
| 22:37:57 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: it won't load |
| 22:37:59 | hunger | Wintre: That goes into the direction of what ogmo wants to do from what I gathered. |
| 22:38:00 | oGMo | or you pop up a class graph, etc. |
| 22:38:06 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: but if I do mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf |
| 22:38:07 | scanline | mm.. squeak is pretty nifty |
| 22:38:09 | hunger | Wintre: www.squeak.org IIRC. |
| 22:38:14 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: it loads now, not complaining of an invalid argument |
| 22:38:14 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: i dont care about opie.. just tell me whether cardmgr mounted it or not |
| 22:38:20 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: and run syslogd and klogd |
| 22:38:26 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: any messages from Cardmgr? |
| 22:38:28 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: cardmgr? |
| 22:38:31 | scanline | George-|ZZZZzzzz: wake up! |
| 22:38:40 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | hang on |
| 22:38:43 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: yes. run syslogd; klogd; .. then cat /var/log/messages.. are there any messages from cardmgr? |
| 22:38:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:38:51 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | I can't see this damn keyboard in the dark |
| 22:39:05 | kergoth | hunger: why's fresco going to run slow on the Z? lack of acceleration, or fp? |
| 22:39:09 | oGMo | Wintre: ah, ok, let's go over high-level design. I envision a GUI where on one side, you have a "toolbox", like a tabbed set of toolbars with categorized tools. If you think about something like the GIMP, you have predefined tools that can apply to the canvas. With this, you have tools that apply to a given object, and thus you can apply them to _any_ object |
| 22:39:34 | hunger | Wintre: If you are interessted into GUIs check "Other GUI Projects" on http://www2.fresco.org/links.html |
| 22:39:43 | oGMo | Wintre: so, for instance, the background of your desktop is an image. So instead of opening the gimp, you just click the Image toolbox, pick a paintbrush, and draw on the desktop |
| 22:39:51 | hunger | Wintre: I put all the interessting links to free GUI projects I found there. |
| 22:39:51 | Wintre | hunger: I just kinda like wanking about computing and interface ;) |
| 22:39:57 | oGMo | Wintre: a spellchecker is just another tool that applies to strings |
| 22:40:05 | hunger | kergoth: Both:-) |
| 22:40:10 | kergoth | hunger: hah |
| 22:40:19 | kergoth | hunger: so the fp side, you could switch to fixed point.. |
| 22:40:35 | hunger | kergoth: It will propably use libart which does some damn expensive operations. |
| 22:40:38 | kergoth | scanline: how goes the textbox widget? |
| 22:40:41 | kergoth | hunger: ah |
| 22:40:57 | scanline | kergoth: working on cursor handling, inserting/deleting.. word wrapping is working nicely now |
| 22:41:09 | hunger | kergoth: Think of gamma correction etc. Startup took 10 minutes with that enabled on an iPaq. |
| 22:41:24 | bcc | how should i do to set a qdict case insensitive after it has been constructed? |
| 22:42:09 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | OK |
| 22:42:09 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | Cardmgr isn't mounting it |
| 22:42:12 | kergoth | scanline: nice |
| 22:42:16 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: messages? |
| 22:42:20 | kergoth | hunger: ouch |
| 22:42:27 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | it's executing "mount -v -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf" |
| 22:42:32 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | I presume the -v is illegal? |
| 22:42:41 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: try that command exactly at the prompt. |
| 22:42:48 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | It's obviously something that's avail in the normal mount, but not avail in busybox |
| 22:42:51 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: and remove options one at a time to determine the source |
| 22:42:57 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | hang on |
| 22:43:01 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: k |
| 22:43:06 | hunger | kergoth: It does 1M cos/sin operations to fill in a table for gamma correction... takes ages without FPU. |
| 22:43:43 | kergoth | hunger: ouch. couldnt you construct the table ahead of time? or use fixed point math? |
| 22:43:57 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: wait wait wait |
| 22:43:58 | hunger | kergoth: I just disabled gamma correction. |
| 22:44:03 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: that's wrong |
| 22:44:04 | kergoth | hunger: or that. hehe |
| 22:44:07 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: ? |
| 22:44:14 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: It's executing "mount -v -t auto /dev/hda1" |
| 22:44:19 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | no mount point is specified |
| 22:44:36 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: well same advice. try that and remove the -v.. if that doesnt work remove the -t auto and keep -v |
| 22:44:46 | hunger | kergoth: But at the first startup I thought something had crashed. |
| 22:44:51 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | then mount spits out: "mounting blah on /mnt/cf failed:invalid argument" |
| 22:44:52 | kergoth | hunger: hah |
| 22:45:07 | kergoth | George-|ZZZZzzzz: grumble. just try it please.. we need to figure out which argument is invalid :-) |
| 22:45:36 | Wintre | Ugh, 2 am. Too tired to think more closely about this |
| 22:45:39 | Wintre | goes to sleep |
| 22:45:42 | oGMo | heh |
| 22:45:47 | oGMo | Wintre: night ;) |
| 22:46:13 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: OK, it seems it's because there's no mount point specified |
| 22:46:15 | kergoth`gone | im goin home |
| 22:46:18 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth: looks like a bug in busybox |
| 22:46:23 | kergoth`gone | George-|ZZZZzzzz: hmmm k.. i'll dig when i get home |
| 22:46:23 | bcc | how should i do to set a qdict case insensitive after it has been constructed? can anyone answer? |
| 22:46:26 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth`gone: hang on! |
| 22:46:31 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ok |
| 22:46:32 | kergoth`gone | George-|ZZZZzzzz: may need to submit a fix to the busybox folks |
| 22:46:46 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth`gone: basically, "mount -v -t auto /dev/hda1" doesn't work |
| 22:46:46 | kergoth`gone | k im out bbiaf |
| 22:46:59 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | kergoth`gone: but "mount -v -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf" works |
| 22:47:04 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ok |
| 22:47:10 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | bbiaf? |
| 22:47:57 | hunger | George-|ZZZZzzzz: be back in a few iirc |
| 22:48:10 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ok |
| 22:49:19 | mark | ur hopeless |
| 22:49:21 | mark | so im going to bed |
| 22:49:22 | mark | c ya |
| 22:49:40 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | me? |
| 22:51:11 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ahh fuck |
| 22:51:24 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | "The memory is very low. Please end this application immediately" |
| 22:51:40 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | my Z has frozen! |
| 22:51:40 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | argh! |
| 22:52:06 | Oriumpor | that doesn't mean anything :P just move it to the side and keep editting the txt file |
| 22:52:28 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | <George-|ZZZZzzzz> my Z has frozen! |
| 22:52:35 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | I couldn't |
| 22:52:39 | Oriumpor | then put it in the mike |
| 22:52:41 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | I just did a full reset |
| 22:52:59 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ? |
| 22:53:03 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | mike? |
| 22:53:39 | VerxHome | damn george, that sucks man |
| 22:53:40 | VerxHome | :( |
| 22:53:55 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: I can't believe it |
| 22:53:59 | Oriumpor | microwave even |
| 22:54:02 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: The first time linux has ever crashed on me |
| 22:54:04 | Oriumpor | friggen console locke dup |
| 22:54:11 | Oriumpor | George-|ZZZZzzzz: get used to it |
| 22:54:14 | ljp_studio | ./join #opie-devel |
| 22:54:18 | ljp_studio | crap |
| 22:54:26 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | Oriumpor: NO! :) |
| 22:54:33 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | Oriumpor: I got a LINUX pda :) |
| 22:54:39 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | Oriumpor: Not a WINCE pda :) |
| 22:54:43 | Oriumpor | ljp_studio: oh no... the secret is out : P |
| 22:54:52 | jbwiv-eating | George-|ZZZZzzzz: I've had sharp's roms lock up on me approx. 8 times when doing a shutdown. Lost everything everytime. |
| 22:55:13 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | goes mad |
| 22:55:19 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | uninstalls Opie |
| 22:55:24 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | installs X11 |
| 22:55:30 | VerxHome | ROFL |
| 22:55:40 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ;) |
| 22:55:40 | VerxHome | X11 will cure all your ills |
| 22:55:45 | VerxHome | nothing like the 60's for ya |
| 22:55:45 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:55:55 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | yeh well |
| 22:55:58 | scanline | haha |
| 22:56:09 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | I never had problems with X11 on my 200MHz Cyrix w/32MB RAM |
| 22:56:12 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | lol |
| 22:56:15 | VerxHome | heh |
| 22:56:18 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | it had a slightly bigger screen, though :) |
| 22:56:29 | VerxHome | well, actually, to be honest, I never did either with my similarly powered machine |
| 22:56:33 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | exactly 4x bigger |
| 22:56:34 | VerxHome | george: There's the rub |
| 22:56:34 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:56:43 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | it was 640x480 |
| 22:56:55 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: Yes, but if I run Matchbox... |
| 22:57:07 | VerxHome | mine did 1152x900 - was a 486dx-66 overclocked to 80Mhz |
| 22:57:20 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | lol |
| 22:57:27 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | This machine is 1152x768 |
| 22:57:30 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | :) |
| 22:57:32 | VerxHome | ran a decent ati card - was a mach32 I think |
| 22:57:47 | VerxHome | no - no - it was an ET4000/w32i |
| 22:57:49 | VerxHome | that's right |
| 22:57:51 | VerxHome | I remember now |
| 22:57:55 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | "ATI SUCK" to quote someone :) |
| 22:58:13 | VerxHome | george: Yeah, well, back then, windows didn't offer what it does now |
| 22:58:15 | oGMo | i had a tseng et4000 once :) |
| 22:58:17 | VerxHome | I didn't miss it so much |
| 22:58:24 | W|GGL|T | loves ATI |
| 22:58:40 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | loves ATI |
| 22:58:45 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | marries ATI |
| 22:59:06 | W|GGL|T | i should get an 8500...heard they dropped way down in price since last i checked |
| 22:59:35 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | the 9000 is $129 |
| 22:59:42 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | That's all I know |
| 22:59:42 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | lol |
| 23:00:19 | W|GGL|T | wants something that'll capture tho |
| 23:00:27 | VerxHome | wigglit: There are good reasons it died on price |
| 23:00:36 | W|GGL|T | new model coming out? |
| 23:00:39 | VerxHome | heh |
| 23:00:39 | W|GGL|T | that's ok |
| 23:00:43 | roge99_laptop | W|GGL|T: i pickedup 7500 all in wonder... it works great |
| 23:00:47 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | they should make a Zaurus with that PDA ATI gfx card in it |
| 23:00:47 | VerxHome | no - 8500 does about 20 - 30 fps on quake 1 |
| 23:00:50 | VerxHome | or quake 2 |
| 23:00:52 | VerxHome | or quake 3 |
| 23:00:55 | VerxHome | or pretty much anything |
| 23:00:56 | W|GGL|T | i dont usually run the latest and greatest hardware anyways |
| 23:01:01 | VerxHome | it gets 15 fps on DAOC |
| 23:01:07 | VerxHome | which is why I ended up making an award out of it |
| 23:01:14 | W|GGL|T | VerxHome: that's faster than what i run now |
| 23:01:15 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 23:01:16 | VerxHome | spray painted it and mounted it on a peice of wood |
| 23:01:18 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: Don't be stupid |
| 23:01:32 | ljp_studio | I do. I have a 486 33megahertz cpu! |
| 23:01:35 | VerxHome | gave it away in a contest for my gaming group |
| 23:01:37 | W|GGL|T | im not all that big on specs and benchmarking either |
| 23:01:43 | VerxHome | the last time we did that, it was a voodoo rush |
| 23:01:48 | W|GGL|T | as long as it doesnt look like a slideshow, im ok |
| 23:02:02 | VerxHome | the 8500 seemed an appropriate follow on to the voodoo rush as a free, worthless giveaway |
| 23:02:16 | VerxHome | wigglet: It looked like a slideshow |
| 23:02:21 | roge99_laptop | W|GGL|T: i run q3 under linux 1600x1200 and its fine |
| 23:02:24 | VerxHome | my tnt -*ONE*- outperformed it |
| 23:02:47 | W|GGL|T | yeah, ive an ATI all in wonder 128 pro and it runs fine in Q3 |
| 23:03:01 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: Did you actually every *try* using *decent* drivers? |
| 23:03:01 | W|GGL|T | 8500 shouldn't be all that much worse |
| 23:03:12 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: Like, the ones from ATI for example |
| 23:03:13 | VerxHome | george: I tried more than 20 different drivers |
| 23:03:23 | VerxHome | some from ati |
| 23:03:26 | VerxHome | some from M$ |
| 23:03:26 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | W|GGL|T: I think he's just flaming inanely |
| 23:03:30 | VerxHome | some from outside vendors |
| 23:03:36 | VerxHome | george: :) |
| 23:03:45 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | who made your gfx card? |
| 23:03:45 | VerxHome | I actually liked the old machxx cards |
| 23:03:49 | VerxHome | mach32/mach64 |
| 23:03:49 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ie - which vendor? |
| 23:03:52 | W|GGL|T | s'ok...everyone has their opinions...i usually base my purchases by what mags report |
| 23:03:53 | ljp_studio | I am going to kick this widgets ass! |
| 23:03:57 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | I had a mach 64 |
| 23:04:02 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | i didn't like it |
| 23:04:03 | W|GGL|T | haven't seen mags dissing the 8500 yet |
| 23:04:04 | VerxHome | ljp: What widget? |
| 23:04:08 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | lol |
| 23:04:12 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | lol |
| 23:04:21 | erikd | when i use mkipks to make the package, are the dirs in app.control relative to the mkipks binary? |
| 23:04:22 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: Who actually made that gfx card? |
| 23:04:28 | VerxHome | george: Which one? |
| 23:04:34 | ljp_studio | oh a widget that isnt cooperating layout-wise |
| 23:04:34 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: ATI only make the chip, afaik, they don't produce the boards |
| 23:04:35 | VerxHome | the voodoo rush? |
| 23:04:43 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: the 8500 |
| 23:04:44 | erikd | it keeps complaining that it can't find bin/toys and apps/Applications/toys.desktop |
| 23:04:47 | VerxHome | george: ATI made the board |
| 23:04:55 | VerxHome | the box had ati all over it |
| 23:04:57 | W|GGL|T | still has a voodoo3 3500TV somewhere around here |
| 23:04:58 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | did they? |
| 23:05:03 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | hmm |
| 23:05:07 | W|GGL|T | longbow looks great with it |
| 23:05:09 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | lol |
| 23:05:10 | VerxHome | wigglet: My 3500tv is still in use |
| 23:05:14 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: what OS is this? |
| 23:05:17 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | VerxHome: Linux? |
| 23:05:19 | VerxHome | hooked up to my big screen |
| 23:05:25 | VerxHome | george; I told you 30 times - winxp |
| 23:05:33 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | oh yeh |
| 23:05:38 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | well that explains it all |
| 23:05:40 | W|GGL|T | i should put the voodoo on this box |
| 23:05:43 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | WinXP sucks |
| 23:05:43 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | IT SUCKS! :) |
| 23:05:53 | VerxHome | good for you george |
| 23:05:57 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | lol |
| 23:05:59 | VerxHome | whatever rocks yer boat |
| 23:06:00 | W|GGL|T | it renders a little bit better than my Diamond stealth TNT2 |
| 23:06:01 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:06:11 | W|GGL|T | although the TNT2 has 16megs more |
| 23:06:15 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | I have a radeon mobility m6 ly, and that does OK graphically |
| 23:06:19 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | on my macintosh |
| 23:06:33 | VerxHome | gets back to coding |
| 23:06:42 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | well, it can run WarCraft III, what more do I want? :P |
| 23:06:42 | ljp_studio | kicks vmemo settings |
| 23:06:49 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | gets back to going to sleep, lol |
| 23:07:00 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ok |
| 23:07:07 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | g'night all |
| 23:07:11 | VerxHome | see ya george |
| 23:07:19 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ZZZZzzzzz |
| 23:07:32 | George-|ZZZZzzzz | ciao |
| 23:07:52 | ljp_studio | there is no good reason why this should be acting like this.. its crazy |
| 23:09:07 | ljp_studio | flings this widget across the room |
| 23:09:12 | angryBSD | i got a zaurus now |
| 23:09:17 | angryBSD | its way cooler than i imagined |
| 23:09:33 | W|GGL|T | cool! |
| 23:09:34 | BigBoss | are you touching it gently? |
| 23:09:41 | angryBSD | im fondling it |
| 23:09:42 | W|GGL|T | now get wireless |
| 23:09:42 | BigBoss | let it know you really care |
| 23:09:42 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 23:09:46 | ljp_studio | you'd think they would make qlayout aware of the actual space that the widget takes |
| 23:09:49 | W|GGL|T | cool factor will peg the meter then |
| 23:09:51 | angryBSD | i definitley am getting wireless for this thing |
| 23:09:52 | angryBSD | its so cool :) |
| 23:10:06 | BigBoss | I've got it at home (wireless) and with tkcJabber,it's great |
| 23:10:12 | W|GGL|T | <angryBSD> im fondling it |
| 23:10:15 | W|GGL|T | LOL! |
| 23:10:49 | angryBSD | :) |
| 23:11:01 | VerxHome | bigboss: Once I get a Z I will likely have to buy a CF wireless card |
| 23:11:13 | VerxHome | thus far, I have been perfectly happy with a PCMCIA one in my ipaq |
| 23:11:13 | BigBoss | yes you will |
| 23:11:38 | angryBSD | only thing ive noticed so far: cradle blocks charger port :( |
| 23:11:52 | VerxHome | doesn't the cradle charge it? |
| 23:12:03 | angryBSD | oh it does? |
| 23:12:04 | angryBSD | cool |
| 23:12:04 | angryBSD | lol |
| 23:12:08 | roge99_laptop | angryBSD: plug the charger in the back of the cradle |
| 23:12:13 | VerxHome | I don't know - I don't have one |
| 23:12:15 | ljp_studio | hehehe |
| 23:12:18 | angryBSD | oh i didnt notice that |
| 23:12:21 | VerxHome | I just would assume they would allow the cradle to charge it |
| 23:12:24 | angryBSD | roge99: thanks |
| 23:12:25 | VerxHome | that is how everyone does it |
| 23:12:57 | W|GGL|T | angryBSD: what was your last pda? |
| 23:13:13 | angryBSD | m100 |
| 23:13:13 | angryBSD | lol |
| 23:13:16 | Neo|Work | anyone tried that free jabber client? |
| 23:13:21 | W|GGL|T | didn't know all that much about charging cradles until the Z....Visor is batteries only |
| 23:14:28 | angryBSD | if i use it while in cradle, will it be losing battery or gaining battery charge |
| 23:14:41 | roge99_laptop | gaining |
| 23:15:32 | ljp_studio | flops this widget on roge99's laptop |
| 23:15:41 | roge99_laptop | ouch ! |
| 23:15:45 | angryBSD | ermm does the installation CD work in XP? |
| 23:16:19 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 23:16:23 | roge99_laptop | ljp_studio: now your in trouble ... my dog just ate it .. |
| 23:16:49 | BigBoss | why try the free one when you can pay for one? silly NeoTron |
| 23:17:04 | ljp_studio | oh good, I can start a new one |
| 23:17:24 | roge99_laptop | now hes gona have widget poop ... |
| 23:17:42 | ljp_studio | eeeewwwww.... |
| 23:17:49 | ljp_studio | in liquid style |
| 23:17:55 | angryBSD | hrmm im double clicking execute.exe but its not executing :-P |
| 23:18:06 | roge99_laptop | ljp hey ya wanna laugh .... |
| 23:18:21 | ljp_studio | sure |
| 23:18:27 | roge99_laptop | you were talking about fastolfe the other day |
| 23:18:37 | | i guess fastolfe is using some igniton-coil battery powered anit-bike-theft device to blow his nuts off |
| 23:18:37 | roge99_laptop | ibot fastolfe |
| 23:19:12 | angryBSD | am i allowed to marry my zaurus |
| 23:19:26 | ljp_studio | heh ya.. I read that wayyyyy earlier |
| 23:19:44 | roge99_laptop | i was wondering if that was still there |
| 23:19:44 | BigBoss | can you guys reach www.thekompany.com? i can't get it from where I am |
| 23:19:46 | ljp_studio | actually, he had to seel the bike that was to be gas turbine powered |
| 23:19:50 | ljp_studio | sell even |
| 23:19:51 | BigBoss | but I can hit it through anonymizer |
| 23:19:55 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: hehe. When one hardly uses jabber on it but it might be nice to have. :P |
| 23:20:07 | treke|home | works for me |
| 23:20:24 | roge99_laptop | ok over here BB |
| 23:21:10 | roge99_laptop | is away: ... dinner |
| 23:21:23 | treke|home | wonders when we will get tkcKOBOL |
| 23:21:57 | scanline | is away: Wonderful lithium ion power to undermine the MPAA's authority on my mind |
| 23:22:04 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: tk.com works fine |
| 23:23:21 | BigBoss | thanks Neo |
| 23:23:26 | BigBoss | i got something strange here |
| 23:23:28 | BigBoss | can't get to my own site |
| 23:24:55 | angryBSD | okay, execute.exe wont work at all for me |
| 23:25:15 | angryBSD | i tried the CD version and the download version and neither seem to do anything :-/ |
| 23:25:59 | W|GGL|T | execute.exe? |
| 23:26:14 | angryBSD | in the zaurus installation cd |
| 23:28:10 | angryBSD | ahh never mind |
| 23:28:10 | W|GGL|T | i dont remember an execute.exe |
| 23:28:24 | angryBSD | i went into the qtopia folder and ran setup.exe |
| 23:28:55 | W|GGL|T | the cd doesn't autorun? |
| 23:29:01 | angryBSD | not for me in XP |
| 23:29:05 | angryBSD | i probably set them not to or something |
| 23:30:01 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 23:30:24 | W|GGL|T | i'll let you go fondle and marry your Z now |
| 23:30:25 | W|GGL|T | hehehe |
| 23:30:34 | W|GGL|T | gotta get the kids ready for bed |
| 23:32:04 | angryBSD | ;) |
| 23:35:49 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: the other day my network stopped working at work. After talking to some other people I realized the error wasn't "global" |
| 23:36:06 | Neo|Work | so some 50 minutes later I looked on my hub and realized two things |
| 23:36:20 | Neo|Work | 1) the power cable was out, 2) the uplink/normal port switch was toggled |
| 23:36:38 | Neo|Work | funny thing is I must have somehow kicked it to do these two things because it worked in the morning. :P |
| 23:47:20 | ljp_studio | hmmm |
| 23:49:37 | | Test Successful! |
| 23:49:37 | ljp_studio | ibot: test |
| 23:55:56 | whardier | damn |
| 23:56:03 | whardier | I need to find my way to the liqour store |
| 23:56:04 | whardier | a;sdlfkjasd;lfklj |
| 23:56:08 | whardier | lickher store |
| 23:57:43 | VerxHome | george just can't sl33p |
| 23:59:23 | angryBSD | yeah im having problems |
| 23:59:24 | angryBSD | hehe |
