| 00:03:20 | BigBoss | is away since 6:08:52 PM - automagically set away after 10 min idling. Msglog [ON] |
| 00:04:04 | Xentac | hmmm... how well does opie-remote work with the Zaurus? |
| 00:04:25 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:07:42 | kergoth | i just make zImage && echo Done. if i dont see done, something went wrong.. need that when doing a make -j8 .... heh |
| 00:08:19 | scanline | But then you don't see the 4534,76,43562,662 warnings that happened while compiling :) |
| 00:08:27 | Xentac | normally make-kpkg gives me nice output... and a .deb to boot |
| 00:12:08 | kergoth | scanline: okay so I really do ( make -j8 zImage 2>&1 && echo Done ) | tee build.log; :-) |
| 00:12:21 | kergoth | yeh make-kpkg is nifty. |
| 00:12:36 | scanline | :) |
| 00:14:44 | Rascal_ | damn there isn't a lirc module for the sharp kernel |
| 00:15:08 | kergoth | Rascal_: no worries, i'll be doing a lirc package for OZ, that'll work on both oz and the sharp rom |
| 00:15:35 | Rascal_ | kergoth: thanx.. didn't feel like sitting here several hours compiling one.. |
| 00:16:03 | kergoth | np |
| 00:19:01 | bcc | are ssl libraries available for zaurus? |
| 00:20:52 | kergoth | bcc: yes |
| 00:21:01 | kergoth | bcc: they're needed for konqueror to handle https |
| 00:22:26 | bcc | kergoth: thanks |
| 00:28:05 | Rascal_ | kergoth: how far does the zaurus work as a remote? |
| 00:28:34 | ljp | maybe a foot at most |
| 00:28:49 | Rascal_ | lol really? |
| 00:28:59 | ljp | ya.. its not powerful at all |
| 00:29:04 | Rascal_ | haha that sucks.. |
| 00:29:19 | scanline | shouldn't be hard to make a little stick-on IR amplifier for the Zaurus :) |
| 00:29:39 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:29:47 | ScooterTrash | Anybody know where to buy big (512M) CF cards cheap? |
| 00:30:13 | Rascal_ | you check pricewatch? |
| 00:30:34 | ScooterTrash | Trying.... |
| 00:31:16 | Rascal_ | I wanna get;one of those microdrives |
| 00:31:36 | Xentac | won't that bring you battery life down to like 5 minutes? |
| 00:31:50 | ScooterTrash | US$149.... not bad |
| 00:31:50 | Xentac | and burn your hands every time you touch it? ;o) |
| 00:31:57 | Rascal_ | dunno |
| 00:31:59 | Rascal_ | does it? |
| 00:32:27 | scanline | Xentac: just think- make it powered by a belt-clip lead acid battery or something, and you could change the channel on your TV from 10 miles away! |
| 00:32:30 | warmi | re |
| 00:33:02 | fortyhex | anyone upgrade thier 5000D to 1.38? |
| 00:33:17 | Xentac | scanline: ummm... that's sort of scary... power accessories for a handheld... |
| 00:33:33 | Xentac | scanline: pretty soon you'll be like, "alright... but I can't pull my Zaurus away from my car battery..." |
| 00:33:44 | scanline | imagines a zaurus-based power drill |
| 00:34:15 | Xentac | is away: getting beat up |
| 00:34:46 | sig | sup fellas |
| 00:35:22 | scanline | is trying to figure out why his lines of text aren't being measured quite right, causing his scrolling to do funky stuff |
| 00:37:29 | ljp | ya.. my z is 1.38 |
| 00:45:28 | fortyhex | any better than previous releases |
| 00:45:43 | fortyhex | I'm in process of upgrading now |
| 00:47:57 | sig | 15Sysinfo:8 Linux 2.4.1815 | Distro:8 Debian/GNU 15 | Local Time:8 18:52:46 PDT15 | 15Connection:8 eth015 Received:8 233.3 MiB, 413811 packets15 Send:8 28.8 MiB, 385266 packets15 | Users:8 515 Load:8 0.01 |
| 00:48:01 | sig | this is a dumb script |
| 00:48:03 | sig | sorry guys |
| 00:48:09 | sig | just had to try it |
| 00:48:10 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 00:49:20 | sig | whats up jmhodges |
| 00:49:24 | jmhodges | not much |
| 00:49:31 | sig | sounds good |
| 00:49:37 | jmhodges | trying to get to the GTK+ tutorial |
| 00:49:39 | sig | I'm so bored its not even funny |
| 00:49:41 | jmhodges | but gtk.org is DOWN |
| 00:49:44 | jmhodges | im so pissed |
| 00:49:55 | jmhodges | i want it.. i need it.. and its not on tldp.org either |
| 00:50:36 | sig | it works for me |
| 00:50:44 | sig | GTK+ |
| 00:50:44 | sig | The GIMP Toolkit |
| 00:50:44 | sig | General |
| 00:50:44 | sig | Introduction |
| 00:50:44 | sig | Screenshots |
| 00:50:45 | sig | Download |
| 00:50:47 | sig | Mailing Lists |
| 00:50:49 | sig | Language Bindings |
| 00:50:51 | sig | Themes |
| 00:50:53 | sig | Bug Tracker |
| 00:50:55 | sig | Documentation |
| 00:50:57 | sig | FAQ |
| 00:50:59 | sig | Tutorial |
| 00:51:01 | sig | API Reference |
| 00:51:05 | sig | Published Books |
| 00:51:07 | sig | Projects |
| 00:51:07 | jmhodges | are you kidding me?? |
| 00:51:09 | sig | Pango |
| 00:51:11 | sig | GNOME |
| 00:51:12 | scanline | drowns |
| 00:51:13 | sig | GTK+ for Win32 |
| 00:51:15 | sig | GTK+ on DirectFB |
| 00:51:17 | sig | GTK+ for BeOS |
| 00:51:18 | jmhodges | SIG |
| 00:51:19 | sig | Applications |
| 00:51:21 | sig | GIMP |
| 00:51:23 | sig | Abiword |
| 00:51:25 | sig | Dia |
| 00:51:26 | jmhodges | get the tarball for me! |
| 00:51:27 | sig | Glade |
| 00:51:27 | jmhodges | STOP |
| 00:51:29 | sig | GnuCash |
| 00:51:31 | sig | Gnumeric |
| 00:51:33 | jmhodges | i hate you sig |
| 00:51:34 | jmhodges | :) |
| 00:51:35 | sig | GNOME Software Map |
| 00:51:37 | sig | Introduction |
| 00:51:39 | sig | GTK+ is a multi-platform toolkit for creating graphical user interfaces. Offering a |
| 00:51:41 | sig | complete set of widgets, GTK+ is suitable for projects ranging from small one-off projects to complete application suites. |
| 00:51:44 | sig | shit |
| 00:51:46 | sig | sorry |
| 00:51:48 | sig | didn't think it would do that |
| 00:51:50 | sig | http://www.gtk.org/ |
| 00:51:51 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 00:51:52 | sig | jmhodges: nope |
| 00:51:54 | sig | it works |
| 00:51:55 | sig | k |
| 00:51:58 | sig | tarball of what |
| 00:52:08 | jmhodges | sig: your magic! |
| 00:52:17 | jmhodges | ive been trying to get on for the past 2 hrs! |
| 00:52:19 | jmhodges | and you get on |
| 00:52:21 | sig | jmhodges: site working now |
| 00:52:22 | jmhodges | and it wokrs |
| 00:52:25 | sig | hah |
| 00:52:32 | sig | jmhodges: you on now? |
| 00:52:39 | jmhodges | yep! |
| 00:52:43 | sig | cool |
| 00:53:29 | jmhodges | thanks for the magic touch sig |
| 00:53:34 | jmhodges | er.. s/touch/packet/ |
| 00:53:44 | sig | heh |
| 00:54:25 | jmhodges | hm.. trying to think of a site crawling app |
| 00:54:30 | jmhodges | i really need this tarballed |
| 00:54:34 | jmhodges | for offline use |
| 00:54:47 | kergoth | wget is your friend |
| 00:54:54 | jmhodges | aaah wget |
| 00:54:59 | jmhodges | thats right |
| 00:55:04 | jmhodges | duh |
| 00:55:12 | SirPsycho | wget -m will mirror if i remember right =) |
| 00:55:14 | jmhodges | i use it all of the time.. in "friendly" ways ;) |
| 00:56:23 | jmhodges | wtf? |
| 00:56:26 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:56:31 | jmhodges | nevermidn |
| 00:56:34 | jmhodges | think i can fix this |
| 00:56:43 | jmhodges | i got a "host not found" from gtk |
| 00:57:00 | jmhodges | hrm |
| 00:57:08 | jmhodges | its got to be the /tutorial i added on |
| 00:57:13 | sig | jmhodges: tell me if you like this script |
| 00:57:19 | jmhodges | sig: what script? |
| 00:57:20 | sig | the memory is off about 100mb though |
| 00:57:23 | sig | 15Sysinfo: Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable Linux 2.4.18 15| CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor @ 1008.993 mhz 15 | Res: 1600x1200 pixels 15/w 24, 15bit gfx | Mem usage: 20115 of 878 15mb (22%) 15 | Swap usage:( 015 of 179115 mb (0%) 15| Disk usage(): 25.715 of 130.115 gb (19%) 15| Local Time: 19:02:11 PDT15 Uptime: 5 days 2:36 hours15 | Users: 515 Load: 0.0015 | X-chat: 1.8.9 |
| 00:57:33 | sig | I have 900 something mb of mem |
| 00:57:38 | sig | not 878 |
| 00:57:56 | jmhodges | enh .. its alright .. i prefer that info for only personal use.. dont really need a script for all that |
| 00:58:04 | jmhodges | :) maybe its used ram |
| 00:58:13 | sig | doubtfully |
| 00:58:28 | sig | I have a better one |
| 00:58:34 | sig | that is a lot nicer |
| 00:58:38 | sig | I'm using Linux 2.4.18: CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor ° CPU Speed: 1008.993 MHz ° RAM Usage: 198/899M 14[4||15||||||||14] ° DiskSpace: 127G with 95G Free ° Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 ° Number of process: 61 ° Uptime: 19:03:27 up 5 days, 2:38, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 ° Data Transfered: In: 233.72M Out: 28.91M ¤ E=mc^2 |
| 00:58:40 | sig | I like this one |
| 00:58:51 | sig | a bit more accurate |
| 00:59:31 | sig | I did have a huge ass uptime until I had to replace my cdrw |
| 00:59:38 | sig | scanline: thank you |
| 00:59:44 | sig | I love being ctcp versioned |
| 00:59:48 | scanline | sig: haha |
| 00:59:52 | scanline | sig: just curious |
| 00:59:58 | sig | thats like walking up to a chick you don't know and lifting her dress up |
| 01:00:00 | sig | :/ |
| 01:00:15 | sig | wanting to see what I have under there eh |
| 01:00:21 | scanline | :P |
| 01:00:33 | scanline | I suppose you're against port scans too, eh? |
| 01:00:40 | sig | scanline: pretty much |
| 01:00:43 | sig | it is rude |
| 01:00:57 | jmhodges | GODDAMN |
| 01:01:03 | sig | what jmhodges? |
| 01:01:03 | jmhodges | wget wont resolve gtk+.org |
| 01:01:24 | sig | jmhodges: give me the exact link and I'll dl it and put it on my ftp for you |
| 01:01:27 | sig | or stie |
| 01:01:31 | sig | stie=site |
| 01:01:37 | jmhodges | http://www.gtk.org/tutorial/ |
| 01:01:43 | jmhodges | my browser gets it fine |
| 01:01:45 | jmhodges | but not wget |
| 01:02:02 | sig | you want the whole gtk+2.0 tutorial? |
| 01:02:03 | kergoth | damnmit damnit |
| 01:02:06 | kergoth | i burnt my dinner |
| 01:02:07 | kergoth | sniffle |
| 01:02:15 | jmhodges | yeah.. if you feel up to it sig :/ |
| 01:02:19 | jmhodges | kergoth: ouch |
| 01:02:23 | sig | one sec |
| 01:02:29 | kergoth | needs to learn to cook |
| 01:02:36 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:02:50 | jmhodges | kergoth: you cook every night.. it sounds like you can cook |
| 01:03:04 | W|GGL|T | you just need to watch your food AS it cooks |
| 01:03:05 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:03:08 | kergoth | well, i live alone, i dont have much choice |
| 01:03:13 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: thats it exactly |
| 01:03:15 | treke|home | jmhodges: cooking and making dinner are two different things :) |
| 01:03:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:03:22 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 01:03:24 | sig | jmhodges: k, but it is only 8.0k |
| 01:03:34 | W|GGL|T | lol treke|home |
| 01:03:38 | kergoth | hey i weaned myself off of hte frozen pizza and brats and hotdogs all the time... |
| 01:03:39 | ljp | one word: pizza delivery |
| 01:03:43 | kergoth | and mac n chease |
| 01:04:05 | sig | jmhodges: http://sig.ath.cx/community/index.html.1 |
| 01:04:08 | kergoth | I worked my way up to chicken cacciatore, fetticinne alfredo with chicken, spaghetti, etc |
| 01:04:08 | jmhodges | sig: really? awesome ness |
| 01:04:12 | jmhodges | sig: thanks a ton! |
| 01:04:20 | sig | first tell me if it works |
| 01:04:25 | kergoth | but, I always either burn something or end up with some part of the meal cold |
| 01:04:27 | kergoth | my timing sucks |
| 01:04:33 | treke|home | yup |
| 01:04:34 | kergoth | like, trying to make sure everything is done at the same time.. hell no |
| 01:04:43 | jmhodges | THAT wokrs! thanks sig! |
| 01:04:48 | jmhodges | Oh shit |
| 01:04:48 | W|GGL|T | its an art :o) |
| 01:04:49 | jmhodges | dude |
| 01:04:53 | sig | jmhodges: but none of the links do |
| 01:04:56 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 01:05:01 | jmhodges | i just saw that |
| 01:05:04 | sig | how do i get the links? |
| 01:05:12 | sig | by opening them all one by one |
| 01:05:14 | sig | hah |
| 01:05:16 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 01:05:17 | jmhodges | suck |
| 01:05:26 | sig | that would take forever |
| 01:05:32 | treke|home | my problem is that I never think to start dinner until there isnt enough time to cook much |
| 01:06:07 | kergoth | treke|home: i have that problem too |
| 01:06:17 | kergoth | I should make my Z beep at my ass. GO COOK! |
| 01:06:18 | kergoth | or something |
| 01:06:22 | sig | jmhodges: I'm looking for you |
| 01:06:26 | treke|home | yup |
| 01:06:51 | jmhodges | sig: whatcha mean? |
| 01:06:56 | treke|home | I also notice a similar problem with laundry :) |
| 01:07:14 | sig | jmhodges: I'm looking for the gtk+2.0 tutorial download |
| 01:07:17 | sig | think i found it |
| 01:08:24 | kergoth | treke|home: I remember to start laundry... |
| 01:08:30 | jmhodges_ | sigh |
| 01:08:40 | kergoth | treke|home: but I ALWAYS leave my clothes in the dryer for like a day and a half, and they end up all wrinkly |
| 01:08:43 | treke|home | hehe |
| 01:09:03 | kergoth | I heard larry wall set up x10 devices to make his dryer pester him over a PA system when it was done |
| 01:09:05 | kergoth | I NEED that |
| 01:09:05 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:09:10 | sig | I think it's right there in docs/tutorial.+ |
| 01:09:24 | treke|home | hehe. If I forgot my laudry for a day and a half it would be gone :) |
| 01:09:55 | jmhodges | sig: are you kidding?! |
| 01:09:56 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 01:10:00 | sig | let me see |
| 01:10:31 | jmhodges | its kinda there |
| 01:10:41 | sig | paste the link your looking at |
| 01:10:42 | jmhodges | its in one of those difficult forms :) |
| 01:10:55 | jmhodges | its in the gtk+ tarball |
| 01:10:56 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 01:11:01 | jmhodges | kinda pissing me off now |
| 01:11:02 | whardier | I am gonna reencode all the DivX files I have |
| 01:11:05 | whardier | upside down |
| 01:11:06 | jmhodges | welp |
| 01:11:07 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe. well i have a townhouse, so my dryer and washer are mine, and right downstairs in a closet... |
| 01:11:08 | whardier | and start saying they are the australian copy |
| 01:11:12 | jmhodges | sig: thanks for the idea |
| 01:11:16 | jmhodges | sig: and all the help |
| 01:11:20 | sig | jmhodges: I'll keep looking |
| 01:11:40 | treke|home | kergoth: :) |
| 01:12:02 | kergoth | since i'm always upstairs.. i never see the washer/dryer to remind me... |
| 01:12:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:12:06 | jmhodges | sig: i found it in the tarball.. my distor takes the doc files and plops down for later :) |
| 01:12:24 | sig | heh |
| 01:12:25 | sig | k |
| 01:12:39 | sig | gimme the link to that tarball |
| 01:12:48 | sig | so i can put the gtk+2.0 tutorial on my site |
| 01:13:10 | jmhodges | um.. k |
| 01:13:21 | sig | nevermind |
| 01:13:24 | jmhodges | ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.0/ |
| 01:13:30 | jmhodges | thar she blows sig |
| 01:13:35 | sig | heh |
| 01:15:03 | mrwoody | few hours ago someone suggested me a good website about qtopia and rpm packages like glibc-arm... since I have lost it... can anyone repeat it, please? |
| 01:17:27 | Rascal_ | what's the library that zaurus-vncserver needs? |
| 01:21:28 | mrwoody | few hours ago someone suggested me a good website about qtopia and rpm packages like glibc-arm... since I have lost it... can anyone repeat it, please? |
| 01:22:57 | mrwoody | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 01:23:47 | prpplague | night all |
| 01:24:02 | kergoth | night prpplague |
| 01:24:18 | kergoth | mm dinner turned out pretty well though a bit on the burnt side. |
| 01:25:52 | kergoth | Rascal_: libvncserver iirc |
| 01:30:23 | ljp | ahhh little extra carbon never hurt anyone |
| 01:31:50 | siriusnov | hey anyone installed the x server for windows? |
| 01:31:58 | siriusnov | I mean the xwindows for the z |
| 01:31:59 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 01:32:01 | siriusnov | =P |
| 01:32:18 | sjohnson | siriusnova: I have |
| 01:32:19 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:32:37 | siriusnov | sjohnson, what can u do with it? |
| 01:32:50 | kergoth | run X apps? what else would you do with it |
| 01:33:08 | siriusnov | aargh |
| 01:33:12 | sjohnson | what kergoth said |
| 01:33:17 | siriusnov | i mean is it a fully functioning x server |
| 01:33:38 | kergoth | as opposed to a partially functioning x server? :-P |
| 01:33:45 | sjohnson | yes. I uses the tiny-x server from handheld.org |
| 01:43:10 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 01:43:10 | W|GGL|T | ibot feed |
| 01:44:45 | | ljp: what? |
| 01:44:45 | ljp | ibot: feed me pizza |
| 01:44:50 | ljp | hmmpft |
| 01:45:02 | | women are always right, always gorgeous and always have the last word... Oh and they know everything! |
| 01:45:02 | angryBSD | ibot, women |
| 01:45:07 | | angryBSD: what? |
| 01:45:07 | angryBSD | ibot, woman |
| 01:45:19 | | angryBSD: huh? |
| 01:45:19 | angryBSD | ibot, joke |
| 01:45:22 | angryBSD | grrr |
| 01:46:15 | W|GGL|T | will opie-keypebble work with the sharp rom? |
| 01:46:40 | | well, zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. |
| 01:46:40 | SirPsycho | ibot, zaurus |
| 01:46:52 | darienm | Neo |
| 01:47:07 | darienm | Neo|Work: ping |
| 01:47:13 | sjohnson | lol |
| 01:47:36 | sjohnson | cute ibot |
| 01:47:48 | | sjohnson is nothing but a beef-witted quart of fly-bitten toxic waste. |
| 01:47:48 | darienm | ibot insult sjohnson |
| 01:47:54 | darienm | Not so cute if you treat it right :) |
| 01:48:32 | sjohnson | :P |
| 01:48:39 | | Neo was last seen on #handhelds.org 44 days, 8 hours, 51 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: Now I am planning to install Familiar and QPE. [Sun Jun 9 17:56:44 2002] |
| 01:48:39 | darienm | ibot seen Neo |
| 01:48:43 | | Neo|work was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 44 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: is away: home [Wed Jul 24 01:04:25 2002] |
| 01:48:43 | darienm | ibot seen Neo|work |
| 01:48:56 | darienm | damn keyboard layout, so different between work and home |
| 01:49:45 | darienm | sugar make me a tom collins |
| 01:49:46 | Sugar | shakes juice of half a lemon, powdered sugar, gin, club soda and ice, strains it into a collins glass, adds several ice cubes, fills with club soda and stir, decorates with slices of lemon and orange and a cherry then adds a straw and serves it to darienm. |
| 01:49:57 | darienm | Mmmmmmmm...... |
| 01:50:26 | jmhodges | hmm.. no measurements of each |
| 01:50:44 | angryBSD | sugar coke |
| 01:50:53 | darienm | depends on the recipe |
| 01:50:57 | angryBSD | sugar make me a coke you lazy hoebot |
| 01:50:57 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke you lazy hoebot, pours it into a glass, which she hands angryBSD. |
| 01:51:01 | angryBSD | there we go |
| 01:51:01 | darienm | sugar make angryBSD a coke |
| 01:51:01 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands angryBSD. |
| 01:51:13 | kergoth | sugar make me a long island. |
| 01:51:14 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 01:51:28 | darienm | Hrm, maybe there are no measurements at all |
| 01:51:40 | angryBSD | well for coke there is |
| 01:51:42 | darienm | But then again, a real bartender doesn't need measurements. |
| 01:51:47 | angryBSD | (1) bottle |
| 01:51:52 | darienm | You just keep pouring until the glass is full. |
| 01:56:50 | angryBSD | im suprised there arent many more Z ports of preexisting java games |
| 01:58:47 | W|GG-Zaurus | Wow |
| 01:59:13 | darienm | W|GGL|T, that you? |
| 01:59:25 | W|GG-Zaurus | yeah |
| 01:59:34 | darienm | Got your wireless lan working huh? |
| 02:00:01 | W|GG-Zaurus | cool factor is pegging the meter |
| 02:00:06 | darienm | Using ZIC I presume? |
| 02:00:29 | W|GG-Zaurus | yeah its not bad |
| 02:00:31 | sig | yeah, zic is nice except after time it starts boggin down the cache |
| 02:00:45 | darienm | sig, you gonna fix it ? |
| 02:00:49 | darienm | :) |
| 02:01:00 | sig | darienm heh, i actually e-mailed the maker |
| 02:01:14 | sig | I was hoping that it would have perl support |
| 02:01:16 | sig | but it doesn't |
| 02:01:20 | sig | brb |
| 02:01:20 | darienm | actually, that's been working quite well for me (emailing the authors) |
| 02:01:48 | W|GG-Zaurus | that's ok...wifi card will prolly kill the battery before that happens |
| 02:02:00 | darienm | W|GG-Zaurus: using the keyboard, handwriting or jumpx for input? |
| 02:02:12 | W|GG-Zaurus | keyboard |
| 02:02:17 | W|GG-Zaurus | slowwww |
| 02:02:29 | darienm | holding it or flat on desk? |
| 02:02:47 | W|GG-Zaurus | in my hands |
| 02:03:07 | darienm | You should try jumpx for input -- short learning curve, fast input |
| 02:03:13 | W|GG-Zaurus | likes ZIC |
| 02:03:44 | sig | gonna join in a sec with my z |
| 02:03:51 | darienm | sighs |
| 02:03:57 | darienm | has his Z, but no wireless yet |
| 02:04:02 | darienm | curses at sharpmobile |
| 02:04:12 | sig | I'm kida pissed about the slowness of the accessories with the z |
| 02:04:14 | W|GG-Zaurus | heeheh |
| 02:04:19 | SirPsycho | you goin with the cdpd modem darienm? |
| 02:04:34 | sig_Zaurus | heh |
| 02:04:48 | darienm | SirPsycho: Do I have other choices? |
| 02:04:50 | sig_Zaurus | /exec cat /proc/cpuinfo don't work |
| 02:04:59 | sig_Zaurus | lame |
| 02:05:28 | treke|home | its far from the most essential feature for an irc client :) |
| 02:05:38 | SirPsycho | darienm: depends if you are going to be around 802.11 networks all the time or if you want connectivity anywhere |
| 02:05:43 | darienm | SirPsycho: I mean, I could go with local provider but they want to charge me by the megabyte |
| 02:05:44 | sig_Zaurus | brb, let me see how tkcjabber is |
| 02:05:52 | sig_Zaurus | it sucks compared to zic |
| 02:05:53 | treke|home | sig_Zaurus: even worse |
| 02:06:04 | sig_Zaurus | trekehome yea i know |
| 02:06:06 | darienm | SirPsycho: I need connectivity everywhere, and I've never seen an 802.11 network yet. |
| 02:06:07 | treke|home | mainly because its not an irc client |
| 02:06:25 | sig_Zaurus | it works though |
| 02:06:29 | SirPsycho | heh.. ok.. lemme know how the cdpd connectivity is.. =) |
| 02:06:32 | W|GG-Zaurus | hrmmm...no buffer history in zic |
| 02:06:39 | darienm | SirPsycho: Plus when the CPDP is available, its a flat monthly fee for unlimited (albiet 19.2) use. |
| 02:06:45 | sig_Zaurus | if it isn't an irc client then they should not have built it to do what they say it can |
| 02:06:46 | sig_Zaurus | brb |
| 02:06:54 | darienm | SirPsycho: My father uses that network with his Palm currently |
| 02:07:13 | darienm | W|GG-Zaurus No scrollback? really? |
| 02:07:29 | Guest | wonder ful |
| 02:07:31 | treke|home | SirPsycho: When did they say it was an irc client? |
| 02:07:35 | SirPsycho | is it on all the time? or do you have to actually turn on the Z to get notifications? |
| 02:07:44 | darienm | played the Bust'Em demo today and liked it! |
| 02:07:56 | treke|home | er sig :) |
| 02:08:00 | Guest | heh |
| 02:08:08 | Guest | hehe |
| 02:08:11 | Guest | brb |
| 02:08:14 | Guest | again |
| 02:08:16 | darienm | SirPsycho: The service is available 24/7 for the same monthly fee, whether or not you useit 24/7 is up to you I suppose. |
| 02:08:23 | darienm | SirPsycho: and your battery power.... |
| 02:08:40 | treke|home | darienm: What service is this? |
| 02:08:58 | treke|home | would like something like that |
| 02:09:10 | sig_Zaurus | ok fixed the name thing |
| 02:09:21 | SirPsycho | darienm: well.. lets say someone sent you an email.. would it beep and tell you right away? |
| 02:09:22 | W|GG-Zaurus | darienm: well, there's scrollback but no history at the input buffer |
| 02:09:25 | darienm | treke|home: sharpmobile when it comes out |
| 02:09:36 | treke|home | ah. CF card? |
| 02:09:56 | darienm | SirPsycho: It would beep when both the Z and the network card were both on at the same time, and the Z was told to check mail. |
| 02:10:00 | W|GG-Zaurus | and nick comp. would be sooooo handy with zic |
| 02:10:05 | darienm | SirPsycho: from what I know -- which is almost nothing |
| 02:10:11 | sig | well this is fun |
| 02:10:17 | sig | tkcjabber blows |
| 02:10:17 | sig | heh |
| 02:10:29 | darienm | BRB - Changing IRC clients, I am finally throwing mIRC in the trash |
| 02:10:29 | W|GG-Zaurus | LOL |
| 02:10:35 | treke|home | tkcjabber rocks |
| 02:10:38 | treke|home | It just sucks for irc |
| 02:11:30 | W|GGL|T | awesome |
| 02:11:32 | angryBSD | is anyone here running a zaurus webserver right now |
| 02:11:53 | dairenm | Ahhhh, better. |
| 02:11:54 | Rascal_ | dunno where the httpd file is |
| 02:12:11 | angryBSD | i think you need to install apache |
| 02:12:12 | Rascal_ | angryBSD: I installed it but dunno where the files installed to |
| 02:12:17 | angryBSD | oh |
| 02:12:42 | Rascal_ | angryBSD: gonna use it with mysqld |
| 02:12:53 | dairenm | Installed what? |
| 02:12:55 | angryBSD | Rascal_: sweeet |
| 02:12:59 | angryBSD | derienm: apache |
| 02:13:05 | dairenm | Mmmm.. |
| 02:13:06 | treke|home | cpcd probably wont be available in my area anyways :) |
| 02:14:34 | dairenm | treke|home so is the VNC stuff taking longer than you thought? Or just because you're gutting it? |
| 02:15:38 | W|GGL|T | doh...kismet download at ZSI isn't in .ipkg form |
| 02:16:09 | treke|home | darienm|away: Its because I'm gutting it. Trying to figure out how I want to structure the new network code |
| 02:16:32 | dairenm | uh, I'm not away :) |
| 02:16:35 | jmhodges | treke|home: your the kismet author? |
| 02:16:39 | treke|home | darienm|away: treke no |
| 02:16:53 | treke|home | darienm: well my irc client thinks you are :) |
| 02:17:10 | W|GGL|T | is kismet-qt is standalone or do i also need the kismet package? |
| 02:17:31 | W|GGL|T | strike an 'is' |
| 02:17:32 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:18:26 | Rascal_ | kismet is a better interface than kismet-qt |
| 02:19:02 | treke|home | darienm: The fact that I've been lazy tonight hasnt helped much |
| 02:19:03 | W|GGL|T | i don't feel like screwing with a non-.ipkg tho |
| 02:21:20 | dairenm | treke|home I'm not pushing... the VNC I have now works fine for me. (every other time :) |
| 02:21:41 | treke|home | darienm: no problem. I'm annoyed at myself for not working :) |
| 02:27:43 | W|GGL|T | that wireless lan monitor app is pretty damn cool too |
| 02:28:29 | dairenm | wlanmon |
| 02:28:49 | angryBSD | hell yeah |
| 02:29:00 | angryBSD | my schools implementing WLAN within the next few years |
| 02:29:07 | angryBSD | (high school) |
| 02:29:10 | dairenm | W|GGL|T what did your entire wireless network cost, including the card? |
| 02:29:38 | W|GGL|T | about $300 |
| 02:30:29 | Guest | hi |
| 02:30:40 | dairenm | hello Guest |
| 02:30:41 | W|GGL|T | i just bought a wap with ethernet router included and the Z wifi card |
| 02:30:43 | dairenm | haha |
| 02:30:56 | W|GGL|T | he keeps losing his connect |
| 02:30:57 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:31:20 | dairenm | I have no use for WLAN yet. At home or work I have networked computers all around. |
| 02:32:28 | W|GGL|T | yeah, im renting a home so i thought i'd benefit with wireless instead of trying to find ways to not make holes in the walls/floor/ceiling for cat5 |
| 02:32:39 | treke|home | wireless is handy if you almost always have it available |
| 02:32:53 | dairenm | I have a T1 at work, I have a 28.8 dialup at home. |
| 02:33:32 | treke|home | ick :) |
| 02:33:57 | dairenm | I'm on it right now, AIM, IRC and paying bills (with a few other windows open in Explorer also) |
| 02:34:01 | dairenm | Its not horrible. |
| 02:34:09 | dairenm | Just takes longer to do.... well, anything. |
| 02:34:12 | dairenm | But Im in no rush |
| 02:34:12 | treke|home | yes it is :) |
| 02:36:32 | dairenm | I spend about 12-14 hours a day at the office on the T1, I rarely use the home dialup. |
| 02:36:42 | dairenm | Besides, there's only 2 miles of distance between the two :) |
| 02:37:05 | treke|home | yeah but then you have to be at work :) |
| 02:37:19 | dairenm | wonders if he puts in a WAP at work if it would reach to home... |
| 02:42:25 | Speedy2 | kergoth |
| 02:42:27 | Speedy2 | you alive? |
| 02:42:50 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 51 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: sugar make me a long island. [Wed Jul 24 02:51:13 2002] |
| 02:42:50 | Speedy2 | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 02:47:26 | kergoth | re |
| 02:48:01 | sig | howdy angryBSD |
| 02:48:17 | kergoth | Speedy2: fucking flash is still read only.. but david woodhouse fixed the null pointer deref.. :-) |
| 02:48:22 | kergoth | Speedy2: how are your projects goig? |
| 02:48:26 | kergoth | s/goig/going/ |
| 02:48:28 | angryBSD | hiyeh |
| 02:48:32 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Well I got my A/D working |
| 02:48:33 | angryBSD | got disconnected |
| 02:48:36 | Speedy2 | I can read current and voltage |
| 02:48:40 | Speedy2 | but the noise floor is kind of high |
| 02:48:41 | sig | damn |
| 02:48:42 | sig | bbl |
| 02:48:45 | Speedy2 | So I'm SLIGHTLY concerned. |
| 02:48:53 | Speedy2 | I think it has more to do with the layout and the routing |
| 02:49:02 | Speedy2 | Plus I *had* to use a wire since it was physically impossible to do it any other way |
| 02:49:09 | Speedy2 | Perhaps I'll fix that in the next spin |
| 02:49:14 | Speedy2 | (wire == I had to hand solder a wire) |
| 02:49:24 | Speedy2 | But the voltages are really low...like .004V range |
| 02:49:36 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah, i know what you mean by wire, i've seen that done on boards before. |
| 02:49:37 | angryBSD | i cant wait till my school sets up the WLAN, hopefully they wont encrypt anything or that shiat |
| 02:49:45 | kergoth | Speedy2: progress though eh? |
| 02:50:02 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah, the batteries came in today, I'll actually check one more thing and maybe be charging by tomor |
| 02:50:10 | Speedy2 | What DOES piss me off is gcc. I'm using it and it's messing up |
| 02:50:23 | Speedy2 | It's un-rolling all my loops and doing stupid stuff. It's basically a very poor microcontroller compiler |
| 02:50:30 | Speedy2 | I'm seriously considering paying for a compiler soon. |
| 02:51:22 | kergoth | Speedy2: cant you control the loop unrolling with optimization options? |
| 02:52:10 | Speedy2 | kergoth: doesn't seem to work very well, heh |
| 02:52:27 | Speedy2 | The worst is that I can't do a function by function optimization |
| 02:52:32 | Speedy2 | Without putting them all in different files |
| 02:52:34 | Speedy2 | (which is stupid) |
| 02:53:01 | Speedy2 | So, I'm going to (at a later date) write those routines in assembly and then call them in C> |
| 02:54:48 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 02:54:49 | br33zy | warmi! |
| 02:55:37 | kergoth | Speedy2: heh. yeah, definately sounds like gcc isnt designed for that environment |
| 02:55:41 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: re |
| 02:55:51 | [DrEvil] | re re |
| 02:55:53 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 02:56:09 | [DrEvil] | I can' get scummvm to recognize compressed sounds |
| 02:59:14 | [DrEvil] | I'm going to be pissed off is lie.com doesn't ship my BT card soon |
| 03:03:48 | jbardin | z0r |
| 03:03:53 | jbardin | anyone awake in hea |
| 03:03:57 | dairenm | some |
| 03:04:01 | jbardin | hmm |
| 03:04:13 | dairenm | some watching TV, some drinking, some coding |
| 03:04:18 | jbardin | well i have a QT question... i want to use a tabbed interface but as you know the width is rather limited |
| 03:04:18 | dairenm | some just avoiding real work |
| 03:04:39 | jbardin | does anyone know of a way to like have it so that it 'abbriviates' the tabs along the top |
| 03:04:42 | dairenm | is useless for QT questions |
| 03:04:51 | jbardin | i wish i could remembner a dialog as an example |
| 03:04:55 | jbardin | ply i know they exist |
| 03:05:00 | jbardin | hmm |
| 03:05:09 | treke|home | jbardin: Abbreviate the tabs? |
| 03:05:26 | jbardin | treke... like if the number of tabs is greater than the width of the window |
| 03:05:44 | treke|home | jbardin: and you want it to automatically abbreviate your label names? |
| 03:05:45 | jbardin | the last tab is clickable and when it clicks the tabs shift left/right and recenter to show more tabs |
| 03:06:33 | jbardin | imagin this text is a tab row "Tab 1 | Tab 2 | Ta->" and if you click on Ta-> |
| 03:06:56 | kergoth | jbardin: uh, the qt tab widget does that implicitly. |
| 03:07:01 | jbardin | it will show up as "Tab 3 | Tab 4 | Ta->" |
| 03:07:04 | dairenm | I've seen two implementations of that (as a user), expand/shrink the tabs themselves, and provide a scroll widget (arrows, usually) to scroll a longer list of tabs than will fit |
| 03:07:05 | jbardin | see what i am saying.. |
| 03:07:15 | jbardin | hmm in qt designer i cant get it to preview as so... |
| 03:07:22 | kergoth | jbardin: how's it showing up? |
| 03:07:23 | jbardin | but in a compiled app it has this behavour |
| 03:07:30 | jbardin | well it just crops the widget |
| 03:07:33 | jbardin | if the window is too small |
| 03:07:37 | kergoth | jbardin: ah, then qt designer sucks. |
| 03:07:39 | NeoTron | evening |
| 03:07:43 | kergoth | jbardin: the widget allows scrolling |
| 03:07:45 | kergoth | hey Neo |
| 03:07:51 | dairenm | Does NeoTron = Neo|Work ?? |
| 03:07:51 | treke|home | kergoth: Nah, I did that in qt-designer and it scrolled |
| 03:07:51 | jbardin | kergoth.. maybe.. but it is damn handy for a n00b |
| 03:08:03 | kergoth | treke|home: wonder what he's seeing then... |
| 03:08:04 | NeoTron | darienm|away: indeed |
| 03:08:06 | jbardin | treke is there a specific parameter |
| 03:08:09 | | it has been said that neo|work is my local Zaurus tech support wienie... |
| 03:08:09 | NeoTron | ibot neo|work |
| 03:08:13 | | you are probably http://david.hedbor.org or http://eongames.com/ or mailto:david@eongames.com or mailto:david@hedbor.org |
| 03:08:13 | NeoTron | ibot neotron |
| 03:08:15 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:08:17 | dairenm | Neo, I installed Bust'Em demo tonite. Wow !! Was lots of fun !! |
| 03:08:19 | jbardin | i can post a screenie... hold up 1 sec |
| 03:08:26 | kergoth | darienm|away: pretty action packed eh |
| 03:08:28 | | okay, NeoTron. |
| 03:08:28 | NeoTron | ibot neo|work is also NeoTron |
| 03:08:34 | kergoth | s/|away//; |
| 03:08:42 | NeoTron | darienm|away: Yeah, it rocks. :) I like it a lot personally |
| 03:09:11 | dairenm | NeoTron I'll play a few more times on the initial levels, and if it still holds my attention (especially the music -- way cool) then I'll buy. |
| 03:09:12 | NeoTron | you tried the RocketElite demo? Less action (in the demo at least) but way cool |
| 03:09:26 | dairenm | Have not tried Rocket yet. |
| 03:09:43 | NeoTron | I have a new upcoming releases that uses FLAC encoded audio and stuff, saving quite a bit of memory |
| 03:09:49 | NeoTron | s/memory/storage space/ |
| 03:10:01 | treke|home | try Crack^H^H^H^Handy Crucher |
| 03:10:07 | treke|home | NeoTron: How much? |
| 03:11:27 | jbardin | http://sig.mine.nu/?parent_id=19 top is the preview view |
| 03:11:32 | jbardin | bottom pic is the design view |
| 03:11:36 | NeoTron | for Bust'em I think a total of about 800 KB or so |
| 03:11:52 | dairenm | NeoTron: space is not a major concern for me. |
| 03:12:18 | jbardin | and ideas? |
| 03:12:22 | jbardin | er any? |
| 03:12:28 | treke|home | jbardin: Your control is bigger than the screen |
| 03:12:40 | jbardin | ahhh... |
| 03:13:00 | jbardin | haha ingenius |
| 03:13:03 | jbardin | pure genius |
| 03:14:05 | jbardin | ok... this brings me to my next question |
| 03:14:05 | treke|home | It will wrap if the entire control is visible, but not if you specify it to be bigger than the dialog box |
| 03:14:08 | NeoTron | bustem installed size in 1.0 is 2.8 MB and in the upcoming 1.1 about 1.7MB so savings of 1.1 MB |
| 03:14:13 | NeoTron | quite significant if you ask me |
| 03:14:28 | jbardin | what is the best methoid to design an app with mulitple 'dialogs' ? |
| 03:14:29 | kergoth | nice Neo |
| 03:14:30 | treke|home | oh rocket elite is the big ass one |
| 03:14:41 | kergoth | jbardin: elaborate.. |
| 03:14:46 | kergoth | jbardin: like, wizard style? |
| 03:14:49 | jbardin | mmm |
| 03:14:59 | jbardin | well i am developing a Meal Planner calorie counter app |
| 03:15:02 | NeoTron | I have RocketElite down to about 4.8 MB |
| 03:15:06 | jbardin | and there will be several dialogs/forms |
| 03:15:09 | jbardin | i.e. add meal |
| 03:15:10 | treke|home | oh rocket elite is the big ass oneneThats impressive |
| 03:15:11 | jbardin | view meals |
| 03:15:16 | Xentac | is back (gone 02:41:00) |
| 03:15:22 | jbardin | meal analysist |
| 03:15:26 | jbardin | options |
| 03:15:28 | jbardin | etc... |
| 03:15:32 | kergoth | jbardin: okay.. easiest method is use a menubar. take a look at the built in qtopia/opie apps for an idea as to how to lay things out. |
| 03:15:45 | jbardin | menubar... eh |
| 03:16:08 | NeoTron | less than that though requires an image format with better compression than jpeg (i.e equal quality at lesser space) |
| 03:16:11 | NeoTron | which is very doubtful |
| 03:16:21 | jbardin | hmm is there a QT designer widget for menu bar? |
| 03:16:25 | treke|home | jbardin: Works for most every other app out there. I doubt yours is that unusuall |
| 03:16:28 | treke|home | jbardin: no |
| 03:16:29 | sig | http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/text/rms-vs-doctor.html |
| 03:16:30 | kergoth | jbardin: no, there's a qt widget for a menubar. |
| 03:16:31 | sig | read this |
| 03:16:33 | sig | http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/text/rms-vs-doctor.html |
| 03:16:37 | kergoth | jbardin: qt designer is a design app. |
| 03:17:01 | jbardin | interesting... |
| 03:17:07 | kergoth | jbardin: or are you asking if you can add a menu bar from within qt designer? |
| 03:17:13 | NeoTron | make that 4.76 MB |
| 03:17:14 | jbardin | kergoth.. yuea |
| 03:17:25 | jbardin | just to check out the interface and see if it 'works' |
| 03:17:29 | kergoth | jbardin: as treke said, no |
| 03:17:30 | NeoTron | although at this point I don't remember what it originally was at |
| 03:17:52 | jbardin | kergoth.. is the QT website docs the best spot to readup on menu bars and QT apps? |
| 03:18:00 | jbardin | or does anyone know of a good tut elsewhere |
| 03:18:03 | treke|home | doc.trolltech.com |
| 03:18:04 | Speedy2 | kergoth: So your Flash still ain't working huh? Maybe write a program like I said. |
| 03:18:10 | treke|home | read it. learn it. live it |
| 03:18:22 | mrwoody | I have been trying to do 'alien -d qtopia-free-1.5.0-1.i386.rpm' but i get stuff like: 'warning: Actual size: 26396495 |
| 03:18:22 | mrwoody | warning: Expected size: 22857255 = lead(96)+sigs(68)+pad(4)+data(22857087) |
| 03:18:24 | mrwoody | why? |
| 03:18:42 | kergoth | yes, doc.trolltech.com is nice |
| 03:18:45 | treke|home | mrwoody: probably an incomplete download |
| 03:18:51 | jbardin | mrwoody.. looks like you might have a bad rpm file |
| 03:18:59 | treke|home | NeoTron: Impressive. You can only shrink stuff so far :) |
| 03:19:02 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah, may have to.. tis driving me nuts, i wish i had the equipment to fucking measure Vpen |
| 03:19:04 | jbardin | i was succesfull in converting the rpms to deb |
| 03:19:08 | treke|home | NeoTron: Might want to try using lzip though |
| 03:19:08 | kergoth | Speedy2: heh |
| 03:20:01 | Speedy2 | kergoth: When I get the unit, I'll try. |
| 03:20:42 | kergoth | Speedy2: any recommendations on a meter to measure such things? |
| 03:21:22 | kergoth | goddamnit, unresolved symbols in the serial drivers in linus' current bk tree |
| 03:21:27 | kergoth | ah well |
| 03:21:44 | NeoTron | I think I've saved about 1-1.5 MB perhaps a bit more |
| 03:22:50 | NeoTron | I saved 1.13 MB _gzipped_ space, which would mean decompressed savings is somewhat higher |
| 03:23:41 | NeoTron | funny thing is, the RocketElite binary is some 410 KB |
| 03:24:03 | NeoTron | treke: lzip? |
| 03:24:40 | mrwoody | jbardin: where did you download it from? all the other rpms worked |
| 03:25:13 | treke|home | NeoTron: lzip, it's a lossy compression format for arbitrary data |
| 03:26:04 | NeoTron | ...lossy... |
| 03:26:05 | NeoTron | nah |
| 03:26:49 | treke|home | well it only loses unimportant data |
| 03:26:52 | NeoTron | arbitrary data doesn't like to be compressed lossy |
| 03:27:08 | treke|home | http://lzip.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:29:40 | siriusnov | well |
| 03:29:52 | siriusnov | looks like we were going to be hit by an asteroid sooner or later |
| 03:29:53 | siriusnov | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm |
| 03:30:00 | dairenm | that's a hole in the ground. |
| 03:30:06 | dairenm | ... a well, that is. |
| 03:30:20 | dairenm | and I guess asteroids would make significantly larger holes, huh? |
| 03:30:31 | dairenm | hence, more wells? |
| 03:30:50 | jbwiv | hey guys. |
| 03:31:11 | dairenm | nods |
| 03:31:58 | jbwiv | trying to get X11 installed on a CF card, so I altered ipkg.conf to include the cd directory. However, when I run ipkg -d dirname I get a bunch of messages like "tar: ./opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libX11.so: Cannot create symlink to './libX11.so.6.2': Operation not permitted" has anyone else seen this? |
| 03:32:23 | kergoth | jbwiv: you cannot create symlinks ON a vfat filesystem |
| 03:32:37 | kergoth | jbwiv: either convert your cf to ext2, or deal with it and dont install libraries to cf |
| 03:32:54 | treke|home | siriusnov: eh. No sense working about something that'll either happen or not happen |
| 03:33:13 | jbwiv | kergoth: thanks. Are there any capabilities lost by reformatting to ext2? |
| 03:33:38 | kergoth | jbwiv: yes, your windows box with a cf reader wont be able to read it, and your digital camera wont be able to read it. other than that, no :-) |
| 03:33:52 | Xentac | you won't be able to flash the Zaurus with it anymore, right? |
| 03:33:57 | jbwiv | kergoth: cool. thx man. |
| 03:34:00 | jbwiv | really? |
| 03:34:03 | kergoth | Xentac: that too |
| 03:34:10 | Xentac | as long as it's ext2 you can't |
| 03:34:12 | kergoth | jbwiv: depends on what you're doing |
| 03:34:17 | Xentac | but if you reformat it to be vfat then you can |
| 03:34:23 | kergoth | jbwiv: you can update the rom using the sharp update app fine |
| 03:34:23 | jbwiv | that sucks. Well, I can always format back to vfat can't i? |
| 03:34:40 | jbwiv | kergoth: it works without a cf card now? |
| 03:34:47 | kergoth | jbwiv: but you cant update directly using the CF method (i.e. to install openzaurus) with it ext2. yes as xentac says you can just reformat |
| 03:35:03 | kergoth | jbwiv: on the sharp roms, yes. there's a update app |
| 03:35:18 | jbwiv | kergoth: cool. Are there ways to reformat from the Z itself? should I use mke2fs |
| 03:35:20 | jbwiv | ? |
| 03:35:31 | kergoth | jbwiv: yep. |
| 03:35:40 | jbwiv | what about going back to vfat? |
| 03:35:41 | dairenm | The update app only runs under Windows, unless I'm mistaken... |
| 03:36:00 | kergoth | jbwiv: mkfs.vfat |
| 03:36:08 | Xentac | that's correct |
| 03:36:11 | kergoth | darienm|away: could be, i've never used it.. i dont trust it |
| 03:36:12 | Xentac | the update app only runs under windows |
| 03:36:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:36:18 | jbwiv | darienm|away: ah, thanks. I don't have windows |
| 03:36:19 | kergoth | I only trust the CF updater |
| 03:36:22 | Xentac | used it because he doesn't actually have a CF yet |
| 03:36:26 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:36:33 | dairenm | I've flashed once, from 2.10 to 2.20. Probably skipping 2.37 waiting for the next. |
| 03:36:42 | Wembly | kergoth: has anyone toyed with the idea of useing umbfs or whatever it is that lays above fat? |
| 03:36:43 | kergoth | I should still do a ospack to let people update from sharp to OZ via the sharp update app |
| 03:36:46 | warmi | man ... Qpixmap.load("blabal") fails on 5000d with 1280x1024x32 image ... "out of memory" |
| 03:36:58 | kergoth | Wembly: umbfs? i have no knowledge of that... |
| 03:37:02 | kergoth | warmi: fun |
| 03:37:06 | dairenm | kergoth: If you did that, I'd actually try OZ |
| 03:37:16 | Wembly | kergoth: maybe im just thinking of something else. |
| 03:37:26 | kergoth | darienm|away: its easily done |
| 03:37:37 | kergoth | darienm|away: I had full romimages early on in the OZ development without a problem |
| 03:37:45 | Wembly | kergoth: it was used to overlay the fat filesystem so that unixish didnt need its own fs. |
| 03:37:56 | kergoth | darienm|away: but i deemed it no longer useful because its dangerous to reflash the bootloader over and over |
| 03:38:08 | Wembly | warmi: wtf are you doing with such a large image anyhow? |
| 03:38:11 | dairenm | ahh, I remember reading that issue. |
| 03:38:15 | kergoth | Wembly: umsdos or whatever? |
| 03:38:24 | Wembly | kergoth: yea. |
| 03:38:29 | kergoth | Wembly: ive heard of what you're talkinga bout, but have no first hand experience with it :-) |
| 03:38:36 | warmi | Wembly: just testing new OPIE showimg |
| 03:38:38 | Wembly | kergoth: i thought you were going to have some kinda flashrom filesystem tho? |
| 03:38:43 | kergoth | dairenm: yeah, if you flash ospack and corrupt the wrong part of it, you're screwed |
| 03:38:50 | warmi | btw .. 1280x1024 is not that big . |
| 03:38:52 | kergoth | Wembly: ? |
| 03:39:01 | warmi | just a screeshot of my desktop |
| 03:39:02 | Wembly | warmi: i know. |
| 03:39:11 | Wembly | warmi: but i dont understand why such a large image. |
| 03:39:13 | kergoth | Wembly: the only flash filesystem i have is jffs2.. which is what runs on the flash with oz |
| 03:39:16 | glenn | hi |
| 03:39:25 | Wembly | kergoth: yea. |
| 03:41:55 | W|GGL|T | its bedtime |
| 03:42:14 | W|GGL|T | dunno how i lasted this long...damn head cold |
| 03:42:42 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 03:42:43 | W|GGL|T | nite |
| 03:43:10 | kergoth | re hunger |
| 03:54:37 | NeoTron | hrm. my computer has started dying sporadically |
| 03:54:39 | NeoTron | I think it might be heat |
| 03:54:41 | NeoTron | so I underclocked it |
| 03:54:48 | treke|home | its the humidity |
| 03:54:54 | kergoth | unclocked.. i hate having to do that |
| 03:55:02 | NeoTron | just when it stays hot.. |
| 03:55:12 | NeoTron | treke|home: perhaps. I never had this issue before |
| 03:55:33 | dairenm | would more fans help? |
| 03:55:42 | dairenm | We had some fans die on our motherboards causing strange behaviors |
| 03:55:50 | dairenm | replacing the fans corrected the heat issues. |
| 03:55:53 | NeoTron | CPU was about 58 °C |
| 03:56:00 | NeoTron | sugar what is 58 C in F |
| 03:56:02 | Sugar | 58 °C is 136.39999 °F |
| 03:56:32 | NeoTron | quite hot considering there are a total of 6 fans |
| 03:56:34 | Speedy2 | Use quality components. |
| 03:56:39 | kergoth | is about to reboot onto 2.5.27 from linus' bk tree. wish me luck. |
| 03:56:43 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 03:56:51 | Speedy2 | gl |
| 03:56:58 | kergoth | wheee |
| 03:56:58 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 03:57:03 | NeoTron | I bought a really good (dual) CPU fan when I got this computer but it doesn't fit on the MOBO. :( |
| 03:59:53 | dairenm | BigBoss: having much much fun with Rekall! wheee. |
| 04:00:26 | dairenm | BigBoss: easy question, even though I have the docs here... |
| 04:00:43 | dairenm | BigBoss: Is there an 'import' function built into rekall, or one that can be called from scripting? |
| 04:00:52 | dairenm | BigBoss: for reading external data file. |
| 04:02:18 | Rince | Hmm, can anyone explain me what happens here: I have an App on the Z (Shoppinglist), which is written in JAva. When I start the App, the icon gets flashy (these yellow bars in there), the java-interpreter gets loaded, the icon is in the statusbar - but the application never starts. What does it mean? |
| 04:02:50 | dairenm | Rince: Get the QT version of shopping list :) |
| 04:03:22 | cdm | kergoth - what address does the zImage kernel link to? |
| 04:03:41 | Speedy2 | I can tell you that |
| 04:03:53 | cdm | okie dokie. |
| 04:03:59 | Speedy2 | Hold please |
| 04:04:09 | dairenm | BigBoss: I guess my question is.. is there the equivalent of THE COPIER on the Zaurus version? |
| 04:04:18 | Rince | dairem: it should be the one... and it worked before :-) |
| 04:04:42 | Speedy2 | cdm: 0XC0008000 |
| 04:04:45 | Speedy2 | cdm: 0xC0008000 |
| 04:05:06 | dairenm | Rince: There are two versions of "shopping list", one in Java, one in QT. |
| 04:05:28 | dairenm | Rince: The QT one was developed specifically to avoid the java weirdness |
| 04:06:51 | BigBoss | dairenm: they are the same code, it should be there |
| 04:06:58 | cdm | k, thanks Speedy2 |
| 04:07:10 | dairenm | BigBoss: there's only the slightest reference to it on the last page of the docs. |
| 04:07:17 | BigBoss | there were a couple bits to tweak for the next release, namely reports, maybe the copier was another |
| 04:07:37 | BigBoss | i've barely had a chance to use it much myself unfortunatly |
| 04:07:48 | BigBoss | so I'm not real good for the tech support |
| 04:08:08 | BigBoss | Mikes going to be back from holiday in a week, he's visiting me in california next week just before he heads home |
| 04:09:29 | Speedy2 | 8KB of dead space...interesting, no? |
| 04:10:25 | dairenm | BigBoss: Could you tell me what "Play Score" means in the File Menu ? |
| 04:11:05 | Rince | dairenm: Hmm, have to find the other one then :-) |
| 04:11:06 | cdm | Speedy2: stack. |
| 04:11:29 | dairenm | Rince: its at ZSI |
| 04:11:59 | BigBoss | Play Score is on the file menu? what happens when you tap it? is it in the manual? |
| 04:12:11 | dairenm | BigBoss: If it were, would I be asking? |
| 04:12:38 | dairenm | Rince: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=285 |
| 04:13:05 | Rince | yeah, already found it, thank you :-) |
| 04:13:24 | BigBoss | sure you would ask - going through 100+ page manual is a pain :) |
| 04:13:56 | dairenm | BigBoss: Selecting it displays a file dialog and says "Play score..." expecting me to pick a file |
| 04:14:37 | kergoth`reboot | well, itd help if i wouldve remembered to build CRAMFS support into this kernel |
| 04:14:57 | treke|home | amazing... he's rebooted without logging off |
| 04:15:20 | kergoth | having bitchx on a remote box does wonders |
| 04:15:23 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:15:37 | scanline | and screen? |
| 04:15:40 | kergoth | course |
| 04:17:32 | BigBoss | dairenm: wow, I've got no idea - maybe it's a joke |
| 04:17:56 | dairenm | BigBoss: great...... |
| 04:19:04 | cdm | bbias |
| 04:19:35 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 04:19:54 | scanline | hi br33zy |
| 04:20:02 | br33zy | hi scanline |
| 04:20:05 | BigBoss | i guess we'll have to bug mike - as long as he survives his hiking holiday |
| 04:20:05 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 04:20:08 | BigBoss | off to bed |
| 04:20:12 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 04:20:46 | br33zy | moo |
| 04:21:06 | br33zy | someone say moo |
| 04:21:30 | dairenm | moo |
| 04:21:38 | br33zy | moo |
| 04:21:53 | scanline | Is this a knock-knock joke for cows, or something? |
| 04:22:17 | dairenm | If you don't want to participate, then moooooove over. |
| 04:22:27 | kergoth | moo |
| 04:23:08 | scanline | mooookay |
| 04:26:47 | Speedy2 | cdm: Don't get into stacks with me! Yeah, I know, pretty cool none the less |
| 04:26:53 | Speedy2 | Damn it |
| 04:26:55 | Speedy2 | When did ncdm leave? |
| 04:30:34 | Rascal_ | does anyone know if you can change the font on the sharp rom? |
| 04:30:55 | br33zy | scanline: it was just a moo |
| 04:31:07 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 04:31:09 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 04:31:10 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 04:33:04 | dairenm | Rascal_: Which font, specifically? |
| 04:33:14 | Rascal_ | an anti aliased font |
| 04:33:39 | dairenm | Rascal_: I know the device supports other languages, so font swaps should be possible -- just don't know if Sharp supports it or if it can only be done with OZ |
| 04:33:58 | Rascal_ | dunno |
| 04:34:33 | dairenm | There are some anti-aliased fonts built in. |
| 04:34:41 | dairenm | Did you want to change them across-the-board? |
| 04:49:45 | cdm | so - is there a zImage and initrd file I can use to reflash the OpenZ stuff? |
| 04:57:53 | Speedy2 | cdm: I think there is a ROM image you can download |
| 04:58:08 | cdm | yeah - found it. |
| 05:06:22 | cdm | do you name the file "initrd.bin" or just "initrd" on the CF? |
| 05:07:46 | Speedy2 | kergoth: WHY ARE YOU NOT HERE? Have you forsaken CDM? |
| 05:07:51 | cdm | hahaha... |
| 05:08:02 | cdm | lemme try this out... |
| 05:09:25 | cdm | off we go! |
| 05:09:46 | Speedy2 | cdm: I didn't find a -fno-unroll |
| 05:09:47 | Speedy2 | option |
| 05:09:55 | Speedy2 | I checked on-line stuffs, maybe I'm mistaken. |
| 05:10:00 | cdm | the -f options are a pain..sec.. |
| 05:12:20 | cdm | -fno-unroll-loops |
| 05:12:22 | cdm | try it. |
| 05:12:33 | Speedy2 | Tried it |
| 05:12:36 | Speedy2 | I did an -Os |
| 05:12:39 | Speedy2 | optimize for size |
| 05:12:44 | Speedy2 | It's not messing up the loops as much |
| 05:12:59 | Speedy2 | It could still be a lot more efficient |
| 05:13:02 | Speedy2 | Basically, it sux. |
| 05:13:08 | Speedy2 | And I think I need to end up buying a commercial compiler. |
| 05:20:45 | br33zy | gtg |
| 05:20:46 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 05:24:24 | jmhodges | sigh.. great the first of the true "super bugs" http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992581 |
| 05:29:43 | cdm | openz doesn't start a serial terminal? |
| 05:33:36 | Speedy2 | ssh into it? |
| 05:57:51 | cdm | kergoth: you here? |
| 06:38:43 | Twiun | Hiya peeps! |
| 06:38:51 | Twiun | calling from Australia..... |
| 06:40:21 | Twiun | ... obviously no-one here ;-) |
| 06:41:02 | Twiun | oh well... I should be back in 4 to 5 days for more unserious conversations! |
| 06:41:09 | Twiun | waves |
| 06:50:27 | jmhodges | hear ye hear ye! |
| 06:50:39 | jmhodges | oipkg successfully installed konq on mtdram on my Z |
| 06:50:43 | jmhodges | holy fucking shit |
| 06:50:45 | jmhodges | ok |
| 06:50:48 | jmhodges | to bed i go |
| 08:43:45 | hunger | Which is the best -march option do I pass to gcc for the Zaurus? |
| 08:46:26 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 7 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: just a screeshot of my desktop [Wed Jul 24 04:39:01 2002] |
| 08:46:26 | mark | ibot: seen warmi |
| 08:47:38 | George- | hi mark |
| 08:47:41 | George- | sup? |
| 08:49:57 | cdm | evening/morning. |
| 09:05:25 | hunger_ | Anyone got kergoth's email? |
| 10:52:56 | hunger | kergoth: Are you here? |
| 11:17:04 | mark | hi catalin |
| 11:21:41 | | Test cancelled. |
| 11:21:41 | mark | ibot: test |
| 11:28:04 | | Test cancelled. |
| 11:28:04 | George- | ibot test |
| 11:28:42 | Nadav | hm |
| 11:28:56 | George- | hi nuhduhv! |
| 11:29:01 | George- | how's things? :) |
| 11:29:30 | Nadav | pretty good |
| 11:29:34 | Nadav | you? |
| 11:29:41 | George- | fine too |
| 11:29:52 | Nadav | now |
| 11:30:03 | Nadav | the question is, will i be too lazy to build a box? |
| 11:30:46 | George- | yeh |
| 11:30:50 | George- | get a powerbook |
| 11:30:50 | George- | lol |
| 11:31:04 | Nadav | nah |
| 11:31:26 | Nadav | i'll probably just go with a wonderful x86 ;) |
| 11:31:34 | George- | nooooo |
| 11:31:46 | Nadav | why noooot? |
| 11:32:01 | George- | lol |
| 11:32:11 | smee|w | I get corruption on an mmx card with every suspend with both ext2 and vfs on oz... any hints on how to improve this? |
| 11:32:40 | Nadav | wow |
| 11:32:45 | Nadav | pcusa.com is pretty cheap |
| 11:33:11 | George- | smee|w: what mmc card? |
| 11:33:15 | George- | smee|w: make, model? |
| 11:33:31 | smee|w | sandisk 64MB |
| 11:33:57 | smee|w | thought they were supposed to work but maybe I mis-researched :) |
| 11:34:06 | George- | hmm |
| 11:34:11 | George- | my SanDisk 64M works |
| 11:34:18 | George- | heh, take it back and shout at ' |
| 11:34:19 | George- | em :) |
| 11:34:28 | smee|w | yeah |
| 11:34:30 | smee|w | think I will |
| 11:34:31 | smee|w | :) |
| 11:34:48 | George- | that's what I did with my sandisk 128MB sd |
| 11:35:06 | smee|w | and got a working replacement |
| 11:35:06 | smee|w | ? |
| 11:35:25 | smee|w | George-: you use vfs on those cards? |
| 11:36:01 | George- | vfs? |
| 11:36:09 | George- | I used vfat on the 64MB mmc |
| 11:36:09 | smee|w | and dont do anything out of the ordinary prior to suspending? |
| 11:36:12 | George- | that's all |
| 11:36:15 | smee|w | er...yeah vfat |
| 11:36:17 | George- | no |
| 11:36:39 | smee|w | ok, cool, thansk |
| 11:36:41 | smee|w | thanks |
| 11:47:28 | Sniper | brb |
| 11:47:29 | Sniper | need to reboot |
| 12:01:07 | mark | hunger: what email from kergoth? |
| 12:04:33 | hunger | mark: The address to send mails to. |
| 12:05:07 | mark | hunger: I would, if my kaddressbook were'nt fecked |
| 12:05:29 | hunger | mark: He will be around soon anyway:-) |
| 12:05:56 | mark | hunger: yeh |
| 12:06:05 | mark | hi Sniper |
| 12:07:54 | | George-: sorry... |
| 12:07:54 | George- | ibot tell mark about starcraft |
| 12:07:57 | George- | grrr |
| 12:08:00 | | George-: excuse me? |
| 12:08:00 | George- | ibot starcraft |
| 12:08:04 | George- | grmbl |
| 12:08:09 | George- | you stupid bot |
| 12:08:13 | George- | :) |
| 12:08:20 | | mark: i'm not following you... |
| 12:08:20 | mark | ibot: tell george- that he sucks |
| 12:08:25 | benmeyer | morning |
| 12:08:31 | mark | hi benmeyer |
| 12:08:32 | | OK, George-. |
| 12:08:32 | George- | ibot starcraft is a game made by blizzard www.blizzard.com |
| 12:08:36 | | George-: what? |
| 12:08:36 | George- | ibot mark sucks |
| 12:08:47 | | ...but mark is mailto:mark@houseoffish.org, a dormant opie developer :)... |
| 12:08:47 | George- | ibot mark is a person that sucks (literally?) |
| 12:08:51 | George- | crap |
| 12:08:56 | George- | OPIE developer? |
| 12:08:59 | George- | WTH? :) |
| 12:09:07 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 12:09:07 | George- | ibot factinfo mark |
| 12:09:24 | | ...but ibot is "the" bot around... |
| 12:09:24 | George- | ibot you are a stupid bot |
| 12:09:26 | mark | hmm, xdirectfb looks cool |
| 12:09:35 | George- | mark: what's that? |
| 12:10:00 | mark | a port of xfree86 that runs on directfb |
| 12:10:06 | George- | ok |
| 12:10:10 | George- | what's directfb? |
| 12:10:18 | mark | http://www.directfb.org/ |
| 12:10:21 | George- | (it was inevitable) |
| 12:10:47 | George- | oh GREAT |
| 12:10:54 | George- | I always wanted transparent windows... |
| 12:10:58 | George- | (not) |
| 12:11:05 | Nadav | lol |
| 12:11:31 | George- | have you seen that pda that has an ATI gfx card in it? |
| 12:11:36 | mark | George-: it could be very useful for embedded devices |
| 12:11:38 | George- | I want dat :) |
| 12:11:46 | George- | mark: wot, having transparent windows?!?! |
| 12:11:57 | mark | George-: no, directfb |
| 12:12:04 | George- | oh instead of the virtual desktop system, we have the virtual *layer* system |
| 12:12:06 | George- | mwahahahhahahaha |
| 12:12:10 | mark | then you run xdirectfb on it and run all ur X apps :) |
| 12:12:24 | George- | change layer 1's opacity to 50% |
| 12:12:27 | George- | and see layer 2 |
| 12:12:28 | George- | LOL |
| 12:13:26 | smee|w | # ls |
| 12:13:26 | smee|w | ls: ./l.¡fvq|¥._ª: Value too large for defined data type |
| 12:13:32 | smee|w | fs corruption sucks |
| 12:13:33 | Nadav | How long do you think SDRAM is going to last? |
| 12:14:06 | mark | smee|w: ouch |
| 12:14:14 | George- | Nadav: Until DDR comes along at a cheaper price? |
| 12:14:21 | hunger | mark: There is GGI for the Zaurus. You can run XGGI on it. |
| 12:14:33 | hunger | mark: Or MesaGGI for all that matters;-) |
| 12:14:40 | George- | hunger: does that offer transparent windows? :)))) |
| 12:14:54 | hunger | George-: Dunno, I think not. |
| 12:15:05 | George- | hunger: humph, I'd rather have DirectFB *G* |
| 12:15:07 | mark | George-: ddr is cheap as hell |
| 12:15:12 | hunger | George-: But I am trying to port Fresco to the Z for a while now. That has transparent windows. |
| 12:15:31 | George- | hunger: Fresco? |
| 12:15:44 | George- | hunger: lol, I'm only joking about the transparent windows |
| 12:15:44 | hunger | George-: www.fresco.org (formerly known as berlin). |
| 12:15:50 | George- | mark: not as cheap as SD? |
| 12:16:30 | hunger | George-: Try www2.fresco.org for the new site that should-have-been-up-for-a-while-but-is-not-for-some-reason-I-don't-know. |
| 12:16:47 | smee|w | they renamed berlin to fresco? |
| 12:16:51 | George- | brb |
| 12:17:06 | hunger | smee|w: Yes. The project is now fresco (or will be soon). |
| 12:17:14 | | somebody said sniper was Sharp marketing drone |
| 12:17:14 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 12:17:19 | hunger | smee|w: The implementation will keep the name berlin though. |
| 12:17:23 | smee|w | www2.fresco.org doesnt work for me |
| 12:17:29 | Sniper | how do i change that? |
| 12:17:45 | smee|w | hunger: I see |
| 12:17:53 | George- | backy |
| 12:18:01 | hunger | smee|w: Works for me... |
| 12:18:13 | hunger | smee|w: It is dead slow for some reason though. |
| 12:18:30 | smee|w | think my proxy is timing out or something |
| 12:20:02 | Nadav | northwood 2.2ghz or XP-2200+? |
| 12:21:50 | George- | XP |
| 12:21:53 | George- | XP XP XP |
| 12:21:59 | George- | no |
| 12:22:00 | George- | e |
| 12:22:01 | hunger | Sniper: ibot: sniper is whatever |
| 12:22:01 | George- | are |
| 12:22:17 | George- | Nadav: ClawHammer! |
| 12:22:21 | Nadav | George-: what was that, XP? ;) |
| 12:22:25 | mark | Nadav: northwood. its quicker |
| 12:22:43 | George- | mark: it's also twice as expensive |
| 12:22:48 | Nadav | mark: yeah, i'm leaning towards it |
| 12:22:53 | | ...but sniper is Sharp marketing drone... |
| 12:22:53 | Sniper | ibot: sniper is a Sharp marketing slave. |
| 12:22:54 | Nadav | but.. the amd is cheaper |
| 12:22:55 | George- | mark: dual 2200+ would be better |
| 12:23:00 | George- | mark: and probably cheaper |
| 12:23:07 | George- | Nadav: Look at getting a dual? |
| 12:23:12 | mark | Sniper: ibot forget sniper |
| 12:23:19 | | Sniper: I forgot sniper |
| 12:23:19 | Sniper | ibot forget sniper |
| 12:23:21 | hunger | Sniper: Strange: That worked for me. |
| 12:23:34 | | OK, Sniper. |
| 12:23:34 | Sniper | ibot Sniper is a Sharp marketing slave. |
| 12:23:42 | Sniper | thanks guys |
| 12:23:54 | | okay, George-. |
| 12:23:54 | George- | ibot sniper is also evil |
| 12:30:57 | JasonNJ | morning. |
| 12:32:48 | bipolar | good morning JasonNJ |
| 12:33:12 | | OK, Nadav. |
| 12:33:12 | Nadav | ibot nadav is nuhduhv |
| 12:33:24 | Nadav | :OP |
| 12:36:08 | mark | hi bipolar, JasonNJ |
| 12:40:29 | bipolar | hiya mark |
| 13:05:41 | mark | bipolar: hows life? |
| 13:06:44 | CmdrChalupa | weird...bestbuy stopped selling zauruses |
| 13:06:51 | Nadav | yeah |
| 13:06:56 | Nadav | CompUSA will be selling them |
| 13:07:04 | CmdrChalupa | ? |
| 13:07:17 | Nadav | compusa will be selling Z's instead |
| 13:07:20 | CmdrChalupa | oh |
| 13:07:26 | mark | CmdrChalupa: prolly not selling well :/ |
| 13:07:35 | CmdrChalupa | wouldn't it make more sense for both of them to be selling them? |
| 13:07:51 | benmeyer | where is the qcop documentation |
| 13:07:59 | Nadav | CmdrChalupa: guess it doesn't sell enough for bestbuy to keep on selling them |
| 13:13:14 | BigBoss | l |
| 13:16:06 | BigBoss | BestBuy was doing a bad job of selling them |
| 13:16:58 | ljp_ | ya, and they never even mentioned tkc! |
| 13:17:05 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 13:17:27 | Nadav | heh |
| 13:17:42 | Nadav | ok, off for a bit |
| 13:19:02 | BigBoss | although I picked one up from my local bestbuy last week for $313 |
| 13:20:27 | treke|portable | thats a steal |
| 13:22:15 | BigBoss | that's why I bought it |
| 13:22:19 | BigBoss | they had 5 left |
| 13:22:30 | BigBoss | I should buy them, take them to england and sell them for $500 each :) |
| 13:23:18 | bipolar | mark: life is good |
| 13:23:19 | George- | BigBoss: blah |
| 13:23:29 | George- | BigBoss: lol, that's cheaper than they are here |
| 13:23:34 | prpplague | BigBoss: ya best buy ppl are terrible at selling electronics |
| 13:23:42 | George- | BigBoss: £450 is the cheapest I found down here in the UK |
| 13:23:49 | prpplague | BigBoss: i usually refer to them as "worst buy" |
| 13:26:02 | BigBoss | bestbuy isn't bad if you know what you want and you've researched it |
| 13:28:11 | smee|w | yeah, £450 is about right, uk prices suck |
| 13:29:08 | prpplague | BigBoss: ya and can avoid the 18 year old computer guru who is a m$ drone |
| 13:29:31 | BigBoss | I love wandering around Fry's though, that is fun |
| 13:29:40 | BigBoss | it's like my wife going to Nordstroms for me :) |
| 13:29:53 | prpplague | smee|w: weren't you the one asking about x on zaurus? |
| 13:30:04 | smee|w | prpplague: on oz, yeah |
| 13:30:16 | smee|w | how is it coming along? |
| 13:30:37 | prpplague | smee|w: just an update, i got x building stand alone, but the buildroot is choking |
| 13:30:48 | prpplague | smee|w: more testing tonight |
| 13:30:55 | smee|w | progress :) |
| 13:35:30 | smee|w | prpplague: so there'll be a rom image with x included? |
| 13:35:41 | smee|w | that's your plan? |
| 13:41:19 | prpplague | smee|w: it will be a flag on the buildroot |
| 13:41:49 | smee|w | aha... what's a buildroot? |
| 13:41:53 | prpplague | smee|w: its my understanding that kergoth wants to be able to choose the gui on the buildroot process i.e. qt/x/opie |
| 13:42:47 | smee|w | so you make the choice at build time? |
| 13:43:27 | prpplague | smee|w: haven't gotten that far yet, i'll have to talk to kergoth about where he wants this |
| 13:43:56 | smee|w | well...good work :) |
| 13:46:48 | JasonNJ | an X-based openzaurus would be kinda neat. |
| 13:49:16 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: There a bit of a snag for an X based OZ. The xstroke program doesn't work with the. |
| 13:50:05 | George- | ok |
| 13:50:10 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 10:07:25) |
| 13:50:15 | George- | who says I should port ROM v2.37 over to the 5000D? :) |
| 13:50:55 | JasonNJ | sjohnson: why wont xstroke work? |
| 13:51:52 | ljp_ | george: why? |
| 13:51:55 | prpplague | smee|w: buildroot is a process where the entire root file system and all componets are built with a single make |
| 13:52:09 | George- | ljp_: I dunno |
| 13:52:19 | ljp_ | its already been done: 1.37 |
| 13:52:20 | prpplague | smee|w: i'm not sure of the history, but my first introduction was with the tuxscreen project |
| 13:52:26 | George- | cos ppl seem to be getting uptight about the fact that there's no new ROM for the 5000D |
| 13:52:32 | ljp_ | 1.37 |
| 13:52:34 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: I don't know. It never swtiches to recognizer mode, it stays in mouse mode. |
| 13:52:41 | JasonNJ | 1.37 is identical to 2.37 for the 5500 |
| 13:52:50 | prpplague | smee|w: it makes maintaining a embedded project very managable |
| 13:52:50 | smee|w | prpplague: googling for buildroot, I came across the tuxscreen one :) |
| 13:52:56 | ljp_ | I guess those peole hadnt noticed that 1.37 was released |
| 13:52:59 | George- | hmm, has 1.37 been released? |
| 13:53:16 | JasonNJ | yes, its on the sharp dev site and on ZaurusZone |
| 13:53:18 | ljp_ | well, I seem to be running 1.38 on my 5000d |
| 13:53:20 | George- | does 1.37 have hancom mobile office in it? |
| 13:53:25 | George- | ;) |
| 13:53:27 | ljp_ | no |
| 13:53:29 | George- | ljp_: what? |
| 13:53:31 | ljp_ | too big |
| 13:53:38 | George- | does 2.37? |
| 13:53:41 | ljp_ | yes |
| 13:53:44 | George- | hmm? |
| 13:53:49 | George- | How can it be too big, then |
| 13:53:52 | ljp_ | dl hancom |
| 13:54:03 | JasonNJ | hancom is free for 5000D owners |
| 13:54:07 | George- | I know |
| 13:54:43 | George- | But I'd prefer tohave it in ROM |
| 13:54:45 | George- | hmm |
| 13:55:06 | ljp_ | if hancom is in rom, you'll run out of memory |
| 13:55:19 | ljp_ | they tested it.. hancom is too big |
| 13:55:26 | George- | well, it's in ROM on the 5500, isn't it? |
| 13:55:45 | ljp_ | the 5000d and 5500 are not the same memory wise |
| 13:56:00 | ljp_ | trust me, you do not want hancom in rom on a 5000d |
| 13:56:05 | George- | no, but they have the same amount of Flash ROM? |
| 13:56:19 | ljp_ | yes, but thats not what matters |
| 13:56:30 | George- | hmm? |
| 13:56:40 | ljp_ | memory |
| 13:56:57 | George- | I don't understand |
| 13:56:59 | George- | ... |
| 13:57:06 | sjohnson | George-: Now enough RAM to run the apps. |
| 13:57:18 | George- | If the 5500 and the 5000D are identicle ROM-wise |
| 13:57:22 | George- | what's the problem? |
| 13:57:29 | George- | sjohnson: hmm? |
| 13:57:38 | ljp_ | RAM |
| 13:58:12 | George- | hmm, well... |
| 13:58:25 | George- | how can the RAM be a problem |
| 13:58:26 | George- | if |
| 13:58:31 | George- | oh wait |
| 13:58:41 | George- | the embedix system has a really strange filesystem layout |
| 13:58:43 | George- | *duh* |
| 13:58:45 | George- | slaps himself |
| 13:58:53 | sjohnson | George-: The 5000 only has 32MB of RAM. The 5500 has 64MB of RAM. |
| 13:59:19 | George- | sjohnson: Yes, I forgot that apps were installed in /home, and that /home is a MTD ramdisk |
| 14:03:21 | benmeyer | who wants the api for the camera! |
| 14:03:23 | benmeyer | weee! |
| 14:03:49 | ljp_ | give me a camaera, and I'll have a reason for wanting it ;) |
| 14:04:03 | benmeyer | hmmm good point |
| 14:05:42 | ljp_ | ben: on your explorer app, typing in a file location in the combo and pressing Enter doesn't work |
| 14:06:12 | benmeyer | oops forgot the link it to the go button |
| 14:06:38 | ljp_ | and it would be cool if the iconbar was in the menubar |
| 14:06:48 | benmeyer | how do you do that? |
| 14:06:51 | benmeyer | I didn't know how |
| 14:07:04 | benmeyer | simply make the button's parent the menubar? |
| 14:07:10 | Sniper | wow. the kde channel is crazy! |
| 14:07:16 | Sniper | i couldnt keep up |
| 14:07:37 | ljp_ | ben: try a toolbar, I think |
| 14:08:14 | ljp_ | I know theresa way to have a menu and icons on the same widget |
| 14:08:29 | ljp_ | also.. needs url history in the combo |
| 14:09:03 | ljp_ | maybe |
| 14:10:04 | ljp_ | kde channel? |
| 14:10:23 | ljp_ | I imagine it wuold be crazy |
| 14:11:15 | prpplague | benmeyer: whats sharp's position with regrads to running x on the zaurus? |
| 14:12:43 | hunger | prpplague: I'd bet it will be in OZ sooner then Sharp:-) |
| 14:12:55 | benmeyer | we have no problem with you running X |
| 14:12:57 | benmeyer | there is a package |
| 14:13:52 | prpplague | hunger: ya thats what i'm working on |
| 14:13:56 | BigBoss | i've been trying to get a loaner camera from Danika for months so we can see if there is something to integrate with tkcGallery, but she never responds |
| 14:14:07 | smee|w | did something big just happen in the kde world? |
| 14:14:14 | prpplague | benmeyer: ya i've tested the package, just wondered if there were any gotcha |
| 14:14:18 | benmeyer | eh the camera isn't all that great |
| 14:14:19 | prpplague | gotchas |
| 14:14:24 | benmeyer | no qtopia |
| 14:14:25 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 14:15:22 | smee|w | licensing? |
| 14:15:33 | benmeyer | ? |
| 14:17:38 | ljp_ | drivers |
| 14:17:54 | smee|w | puts head back in sand |
| 14:18:26 | JasonNJ | ljp_: you wrote Opie Today right |
| 14:18:43 | VerxHome | Jason: No, it took ljp a couple days to write opie |
| 14:18:44 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:18:58 | VerxHome | yes, he wrote today |
| 14:19:13 | ljp_ | harlekin wrote today |
| 14:19:14 | benmeyer | I'll write tomarrow |
| 14:19:18 | VerxHome | oh did he? |
| 14:19:28 | JasonNJ | ok ask harlekin to contact me |
| 14:19:29 | benmeyer | he did! |
| 14:19:30 | VerxHome | sorry ljp, I remembered that wrong, seems like you wrote all the apps |
| 14:19:31 | benmeyer | haha |
| 14:19:31 | ljp_ | brb |
| 14:19:38 | JasonNJ | we may want to use it in our next product |
| 14:22:12 | ljp_ | damn credit card users |
| 14:23:25 | ljp_ | verx: have you tried an updated vmemo lately? |
| 14:24:53 | kergoth`work | re |
| 14:24:58 | VerxHome | ljp: Well, I updated opie yesterday, and have sortof wished I hadn't |
| 14:25:04 | VerxHome | I haven't tried vmemo yet |
| 14:25:05 | kergoth`work | benmeyer: pong |
| 14:25:21 | hunger | kergoth: Ah, there you are! |
| 14:25:31 | VerxHome | but I can't sync anymore and for some reason my screen backlight turns off after I power it down and requires a reboot to come back on |
| 14:25:36 | hunger | kergoth: Could you msg me your email adress again, please? |
| 14:25:48 | VerxHome | I haven't had time yet to dig in and determine what is causing it |
| 14:27:02 | ljp_ | verx: there was a security update so sync wont work till qtopiadesktop comes out with a version to match the security update we got |
| 14:28:49 | VerxHome | ljp: But I don't think the Intellisync SL supports passwords |
| 14:29:19 | kergoth`work | VerxHome: we need a new intellisync also. heh. |
| 14:29:23 | kergoth`work | hunger: kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 14:29:26 | | it has been said that kergoth is a small shell script running on tux_mike's Mac IIsi |
| 14:29:26 | kergoth`work | ibot: kergoth? |
| 14:29:29 | kergoth`work | hah |
| 14:29:32 | | kergoth`work: I forgot kergoth |
| 14:29:32 | kergoth`work | ibot: forget kergoth |
| 14:29:47 | Nadav | lol |
| 14:29:49 | | OK, kergoth`work. |
| 14:29:49 | kergoth`work | ibot: kergoth is the wizard of OZ |
| 14:29:58 | | okay, kergoth`work. |
| 14:29:58 | kergoth`work | ibot: kergoth is also at kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 14:30:00 | kergoth`work | hehe |
| 14:30:01 | hunger | kergoth: ibot is not really helpful:-) |
| 14:30:40 | hunger | kergoth: ... or at least was not very helpful earlier today. |
| 14:31:19 | ljp_ | so.. who wrote that kergoth shell script running on tux_mike's box? |
| 14:31:36 | VerxHome | ljp: If the Sharp ROM image doesn't change to support passwords for those two ports, I somehow doubt intellisync will be changed to support it |
| 14:31:43 | kergoth`work | tux_mike, after I switched ibot to say <reply>Go away or I'll replace you witha very small shell script. |
| 14:31:45 | kergoth`work | hey warmi |
| 14:31:49 | warmi | hi |
| 14:32:04 | hunger | ljp_: Probably kergoth himself: So that I can go and bug the Mac instead of himself. |
| 14:32:09 | VerxHome | any reports of backlight not staying on on ipaq running latest familiar/opie? |
| 14:32:10 | | benmeyer: huh? |
| 14:32:10 | benmeyer | ibot lear * foo |
| 14:32:10 | warmi | man .. this is the second suicide this year at Tribune Tower |
| 14:32:11 | kergoth`work | hah |
| 14:32:16 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 14:32:16 | benmeyer | ibot learn * foo |
| 14:32:17 | warmi | people are jumping like crazy |
| 14:32:22 | VerxHome | methinks the bug is in opie personally |
| 14:32:33 | | benmeyer: i'm not following you... |
| 14:32:33 | benmeyer | ibot: * foo |
| 14:32:36 | | OK, benmeyer. |
| 14:32:36 | benmeyer | ibot: * is foo |
| 14:32:42 | | * is foo |
| 14:32:42 | kergoth`work | ibot: *? |
| 14:32:44 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 14:32:51 | | rumour has it x is a generic standard. Maybe you mean Xfree86 |
| 14:32:51 | benmeyer | ibot x |
| 14:33:18 | | OK, benmeyer. |
| 14:33:18 | benmeyer | ibot: lonely is me |
| 14:33:23 | | OK, benmeyer. |
| 14:33:23 | benmeyer | ibot are you lonely |
| 14:33:28 | | ibot is, like, "the" bot around |
| 14:33:28 | kergoth`work | ibot: are you? |
| 14:33:36 | | kergoth`work: i don't know |
| 14:33:36 | kergoth`work | ibot: are \you? |
| 14:33:38 | | OK, benmeyer. |
| 14:33:38 | benmeyer | ibot are you loony |
| 14:33:45 | | benmeyer: i'm not following you... |
| 14:33:45 | benmeyer | ibot loony |
| 14:33:49 | | no idea, kergoth`work |
| 14:33:49 | kergoth`work | ibot: are? |
| 14:33:52 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 14:33:54 | kergoth`work | smacks ibot |
| 14:34:26 | | i guess benmeyer is the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 14:34:26 | benmeyer | ibot who am i? |
| 14:34:37 | | i am probably "the" bot around |
| 14:34:37 | benmeyer | ibot who are you? |
| 14:35:00 | | the best is probably raw, seething xlib, as some people don't want either fltk or gtk... |
| 14:35:00 | benmeyer | ibot who is the best? |
| 14:35:16 | benmeyer | ibot is gtk or qt better? |
| 14:36:09 | benmeyer | ibot is gtk or qt better? |
| 14:36:15 | benmeyer | it doesn't know.... |
| 14:36:21 | Nadav | it must be thinking ;) |
| 14:36:24 | benmeyer | ibot is qt better? |
| 14:36:34 | | Howdy Bub |
| 14:36:34 | benmeyer | ibot hello.... |
| 14:36:45 | | i haven't a clue, benmeyer |
| 14:36:45 | benmeyer | ibot does qt rule? |
| 14:36:46 | smee|w | refuses to get involved in religious wars, wise bot ;) |
| 14:36:56 | | ...but qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com... |
| 14:36:56 | benmeyer | ibot: qt is better then gtk |
| 14:37:02 | benmeyer | hahah |
| 14:37:09 | | vi is a text editor that is smaller and faster and less bloated than emacs |
| 14:37:10 | kergoth`work | ibot: vi? |
| 14:37:17 | | i guess emacs is a waste of several megabytes of code that aren't needed for a text editor or is useful when "M-x vip-mode" is used |
| 14:37:17 | kergoth`work | ibot: emacs? |
| 14:37:17 | | i think emacs is a waste of several megabytes of code that aren't needed for a text editor or is useful when "M-x vip-mode" is used |
| 14:37:17 | benmeyer | ibot emacs |
| 14:37:17 | smee|w | maybe not :) |
| 14:37:22 | kergoth`work | hah |
| 14:37:28 | | kde is somewhat sluggish on a 32Mb iPAQ... totally untested on a 64 so far |
| 14:37:28 | benmeyer | ibot kde |
| 14:37:39 | kergoth`work | oh big surprise |
| 14:37:39 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 14:37:41 | benmeyer | imagine kde on an ipaq |
| 14:37:46 | | it has been said that gnome is the GNU Object Model Environment or a competitor to KDE or see http://www.gnome.org |
| 14:37:46 | benmeyer | ibot gnome |
| 14:37:48 | Jerakeen | I'm trying not to. |
| 14:37:54 | kergoth`work | hehe |
| 14:38:10 | benmeyer | this reminds me of the "Librarian" from Snow Crash on a small scale |
| 14:38:23 | | benmeyer: i'm not following you... |
| 14:38:23 | benmeyer | ibot Snow Crash |
| 14:38:27 | kergoth`work | hehe |
| 14:38:28 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 14:38:28 | benmeyer | ibot snowcrash |
| 14:38:32 | kergoth`work | librarian rocked |
| 14:38:34 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 14:38:34 | benmeyer | ibot truth |
| 14:38:42 | | benmeyer: what? |
| 14:38:42 | benmeyer | ibot religion |
| 14:38:51 | | kergoth`work: no idea |
| 14:38:51 | kergoth`work | ibot: america? |
| 14:38:56 | benmeyer | it doesn't offer you any help, but does provide fun things |
| 14:39:01 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 14:39:01 | benmeyer | ibot index |
| 14:39:11 | sjohnson | kde on a PDA has been tried: http://intimate.handhelds.org/images/kdedesktop2.jpg |
| 14:39:11 | | OK, kergoth`work. |
| 14:39:11 | kergoth`work | ibot: america is good at 3 things. software, music, and high speed pizza delivery. |
| 14:39:12 | | benmeyer: sorry... |
| 14:39:12 | benmeyer | ibot sharp |
| 14:39:20 | prpplague | kergoth`work: have given any thought how you want to specify which gui to build with the buildroot? |
| 14:39:58 | kergoth`work | prpplague: not really.. I was planning on dumping the buildroot and going with an autobuild system based on debian's buildd, only using CML as emdebian does for config.. |
| 14:40:01 | kergoth`work | prpplague: but thats long term |
| 14:40:06 | Nadav | Dual 1.2ghz PIII or 2.2ghz northwood P4? |
| 14:40:35 | shjen | are there different models of the zaurus? |
| 14:40:38 | | benmeyer: huh? |
| 14:40:38 | benmeyer | ibot sez |
| 14:40:40 | | somebody said sex was updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 14:40:40 | benmeyer | ibot sex |
| 14:40:57 | JasonNJ | shjen: in the US, there was only 1 consumer released model |
| 14:41:02 | JasonNJ | the 5500 |
| 14:41:04 | prpplague | kergoth`work: ok so i'm safe for now just adding a config option for building x? |
| 14:41:11 | kergoth`work | prpplague: yeah thats fine |
| 14:41:13 | JasonNJ | the 5000D was a limited release for developers |
| 14:41:18 | shjen | JasonNJ: thanks very much - are there new ones coming out that are heard of at all? |
| 14:41:22 | kergoth`work | prpplague: just add new .mk's |
| 14:41:33 | kergoth`work | prpplague: maybe i'll do something like make openzaurus gui='x' or something |
| 14:41:39 | shjen | Im thinking about getting one - but dont want to for over the coin if a new one is arond the corner |
| 14:41:41 | JasonNJ | shjen: there will be, of course. But I have no details yet. |
| 14:41:48 | warmi | KDE on PDA .. hehehe |
| 14:42:00 | prpplague | kergoth`work: ok thanks, just don't want to step on anyones toes |
| 14:42:08 | kergoth`work | prpplague: thanks |
| 14:55:13 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 14:57:29 | warmi | BigBoss: are you around ? |
| 14:57:33 | warmi | . |
| 14:58:16 | warmi | BigBoss: are you around ? |
| 14:59:18 | | i guess sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 14:59:18 | toolafial | ibot sex |
| 14:59:23 | toolafial | he he |
| 15:00:00 | | benmeyer: sorry... |
| 15:00:00 | benmeyer | ibot have you ever had sex |
| 15:00:08 | BigBoss | warmi: yes |
| 15:00:55 | warmi | BigBoss: is tkcGallery able to load larger images than Qtopia's showimage can ? |
| 15:01:13 | BigBoss | oh yea |
| 15:01:16 | warmi | showimage dies on 1280x1024x32 on 5500D with 10 MB RAM free |
| 15:01:20 | BigBoss | we've not hit a limit yet |
| 15:01:25 | warmi | basically QPixmap.load(..) dies |
| 15:01:26 | msmax | warmi: it work for 1600x1200 |
| 15:01:43 | kergoth`work | warmi: what type of image? neo mentioned that libjpeg is not happy with large images |
| 15:01:58 | warmi | so, I understand you guys are using some other l3rd party library to load images ? |
| 15:02:18 | msmax | warmi: like this |
| 15:02:36 | warmi | kergoth`work: well, I only tried jpeg so far .... what happens is that QPixmap.load("filename") simply dies .... not much I can do about that one |
| 15:02:48 | kergoth`work | warmi: I suspect thats the problem neo was running into. |
| 15:03:22 | warmi | qte/jpeglibg must, internally, be using some sort of very naive and memory wasting algorithm for loading this stuff |
| 15:03:40 | kergoth`work | yep |
| 15:03:42 | kergoth`work | stupid |
| 15:03:45 | warmi | because it fails with 10 MB heap free when trying to load 2 MB image |
| 15:03:51 | kergoth`work | hah |
| 15:03:52 | kergoth`work | wtf |
| 15:03:54 | warmi | that's just insane |
| 15:04:04 | BigBoss | warmi: no, it's our library |
| 15:04:06 | kergoth`work | even a blind read the whole damn thing into memory should succeed, and even that would be lame |
| 15:04:18 | warmi | BigBoss: ok , thank you |
| 15:04:47 | warmi | kergoth`work: agreed .. basically the app dies and couple of seconds later Qtopia pops up this "memory is very low"message |
| 15:05:05 | warmi | I will try to find a way around it but I don't want to introduce 3rd party image library to showimg |
| 15:05:11 | kergoth`work | warmi: hmm |
| 15:05:14 | kergoth`work | warmi: that sucks. |
| 15:05:47 | warmi | yeah |
| 15:08:15 | warmi | BigBoss: btw.. our office ordered a copy of SQLProject for each developer here .. they were absolutely amazed by the $30 price tag .. |
| 15:09:28 | warmi | kergoth`work: btw .. you said something about NeoTron having problems with jpeg lib ? |
| 15:09:58 | warmi | I am gonna have to ask him about that one |
| 15:10:01 | treke | sqlproject? That a tkc app? |
| 15:10:22 | warmi | yeah .. your basic SQL editor/ schema browser etc .. |
| 15:10:29 | treke | hmm. /me goes to look |
| 15:10:33 | kergoth`work | warmi: yes, he reported the failure to load large images and attributed it to libjpeg.. mentioned it in the chan here |
| 15:10:36 | kergoth`work | hey mark, cam |
| 15:10:45 | treke | windows and Linux or just one of them? |
| 15:10:48 | Cam__ | hi kergoth |
| 15:10:49 | mark | hi kergoth`work |
| 15:10:59 | treke | tkc site is rather sluggish this morning |
| 15:11:06 | warmi | http://www.thekompany.com/products/dataarchitect/sqlproject/?PHPSESSID=331d21ffa68277b710cdf14385a74d70 |
| 15:11:27 | Cam__ | has anyone come up with a get-you-started FAQ for the new contest yet? |
| 15:11:42 | warmi | treke|home: does thekompany.com seem slow to you ? |
| 15:11:48 | treke | warmi: It does to me |
| 15:11:55 | warmi | it does to me too |
| 15:11:58 | BigBoss | our co-lo has been messing with our bandwidth lately |
| 15:13:08 | warmi | treke|home: SQLProject is basically fancy isql with schema browser etc .. |
| 15:13:17 | warmi | still, quite cheap for what it does |
| 15:13:18 | BigBoss | warmi: have you used it? |
| 15:13:21 | kergoth`work | warmi: nifty. i should take a look at that.. |
| 15:13:24 | treke | warmi: downloading the demo. |
| 15:13:36 | warmi | BigBoss: yeah, our boss bought like 10 copies or so |
| 15:13:48 | Harlekin | huhu |
| 15:13:53 | BigBoss | oh yea, like 5 copies the other day |
| 15:14:03 | warmi | 5 only ? |
| 15:14:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:14:11 | mark | warmi: phalanx is unmaintained i think. i can't contact the author, last update was in 2000 |
| 15:14:12 | BigBoss | I think, let me double check |
| 15:14:12 | warmi | he said 10 |
| 15:14:32 | kergoth`work | warmi: cheap bastard |
| 15:14:32 | kergoth`work | :-) |
| 15:14:39 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:14:54 | warmi | anyway, there are only 10 developers around here anyway |
| 15:14:55 | BigBoss | yea, it was 5 |
| 15:15:07 | hunger | kergoth: Is it OK to rely on debina/rules for OZ-config.mk files? |
| 15:15:08 | mark | warmi: which is a pain |
| 15:15:09 | BigBoss | was it Kevin? |
| 15:15:15 | warmi | some of them just use telnet + vi + sqlplus |
| 15:15:19 | warmi | BigBoss: yeah |
| 15:15:28 | kergoth`work | hunger: no. extract the commands from the rules into the .mk if you have to, i've done that myself. |
| 15:15:37 | hunger | kergoth: I'd hate put the unpack/patch functionality from there into the config-file. |
| 15:15:43 | warmi | mark: phalanx: did your email bounce ? |
| 15:15:46 | kergoth`work | hunger: debian/rules often depends on things like debconf.. debian specific |
| 15:15:55 | kergoth`work | hunger: yeah i know how ya feel there.. |
| 15:15:56 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 15:15:56 | mark | warmi: yeah. doesn't matter, i've implemented setboard myself |
| 15:16:06 | hunger | kergoth: That's why I am asking. |
| 15:16:37 | hunger | kergoth: Well, I'll keep this for now. I can still fix the debian-dependency later after I am sure that it works. |
| 15:16:44 | kergoth`work | hunger: yeah thats fine. |
| 15:16:56 | kergoth`work | hunger: buildroot has a shitload of dependencies that need to go away anyway. |
| 15:16:56 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 15:17:06 | kergoth`work | hunger: i.e. new versions of bash :-) |
| 15:17:09 | warmi | mark: Depending on the other stuff I might even drop this whole ZChess thingy ... if you care I can give you all the piece themes I have for incorporation into Knights |
| 15:17:48 | mark | warmi: seriously? seems a shame after all your work on it. |
| 15:17:54 | warmi | I have other stuff to do and since Knights pretty much does everything ZChess does I am not sure I will even bother with finishing it up |
| 15:18:15 | warmi | nah .. I have learned a lot .. nothing is lost :-) |
| 15:18:27 | sig_Zaurus | sup fellas |
| 15:18:36 | mark | warmi: hehe. yeh, themes would be nice :) |
| 15:18:37 | kergoth`work | hey sig |
| 15:18:45 | warmi | I know how friggin chess engines work -) |
| 15:18:48 | treke | man godbc sucks |
| 15:18:56 | kergoth`work | godbc? |
| 15:18:58 | sig_Zaurus | howdy kergoth'work |
| 15:18:59 | warmi | I basically tore apart one of them |
| 15:19:00 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:19:11 | sig_Zaurus | what is godbc? |
| 15:19:12 | mark | warmi: useful thing to know? :) |
| 15:19:12 | treke | er godbcconfig |
| 15:19:14 | warmi | treke|home: godbc ?? |
| 15:19:31 | treke | warmi: gui to set up odbc data sources |
| 15:19:32 | sig_Zaurus | hmm, brb |
| 15:19:49 | warmi | mark: yeah .. I can pretend I can argue about chess engines design .. |
| 15:19:51 | warmi | heeh |
| 15:20:10 | kergoth`work | warmi: you couldve pretended before.. :-) |
| 15:20:16 | warmi | treke|home: I thought Windows came with its own applet for that |
| 15:20:19 | mark | warmi: heh :) |
| 15:20:24 | treke | warmi: It does |
| 15:20:33 | mark | kergoth`work: i'm sure he can pretend better |
| 15:20:36 | warmi | kergoth`work: no .. but before that my scheme would be quickly discovered ... |
| 15:20:56 | warmi | today I can understand most of the crap they are talking about .. |
| 15:20:58 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:21:05 | kergoth`work | warmi: hehe |
| 15:21:33 | treke | warmi: But since I'm not using windows it doesnt help much :) |
| 15:21:57 | warmi | actually,chess engines are relatively easy to design ... the hard part is to create smart evaluation function which requires extensive game knowledge |
| 15:22:25 | warmi | treke|home: oh .. well, I don't use SQLProject on Unix .. we just ordered Windows copies since we all use WIndows boxes around here... |
| 15:22:33 | Cam__ | we need more mind games and puzzles on the Z |
| 15:22:44 | treke | hehe. Yeah, never had to screw with ODBC on unix before. |
| 15:22:54 | mark | Cam__: puzz-le is enough for my brain |
| 15:22:58 | warmi | I asked for WMVare and all we got was ReflectionX to connect to your Solaris boxes |
| 15:22:59 | treke | godbcconfig is a poor imitation of the windows applet |
| 15:23:23 | warmi | treke|home: SQLProject comes with its own ODBC manager |
| 15:23:35 | bipolar | treke: I once got Startoffice on linux to use a remote mysql server via ODBC. ) |
| 15:23:40 | warmi | I mean ODBC manager applet |
| 15:23:58 | treke | warmi: It does? I checked the data source menu and it tryied loading godbcConfig |
| 15:23:59 | warmi | I am not sure how it works on Unix since there is no standard ODBC installation there |
| 15:24:17 | warmi | treke|home: uh .. so maybe it doesn't on Unix |
| 15:24:31 | BigBoss | use unixODBC |
| 15:24:35 | BigBoss | not iODBC |
| 15:24:56 | warmi | it comes with CodeByDesign ODBC Browser |
| 15:25:07 | treke | thats what I'm using, unless debian is lying to me |
| 15:25:17 | warmi | sorry, it is a browser .. not a manager |
| 15:25:49 | treke | is impressed so fa |
| 15:25:56 | warmi | mark: how's sales on Knights ? |
| 15:26:01 | warmi | slowing down ? |
| 15:26:43 | mark | warmi: hmm, pretty good actually. up to 47 or something now. average about 1 a day atm |
| 15:26:51 | warmi | not bad |
| 15:27:06 | mark | some days are 3-4 |
| 15:27:24 | warmi | did you get your first check from handango yet ? |
| 15:27:30 | mark | yep |
| 15:27:35 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:27:44 | mark | its just payed for half a digital camera :) |
| 15:27:58 | warmi | see .. it was worth it |
| 15:28:09 | Cam__ | glad to see you're re-investing the money :) |
| 15:28:34 | mark | warmi: yep. next month shall pay for wireless kit I think. :) |
| 15:28:48 | mark | NeoTron: hows the japanese thing going? |
| 15:28:55 | VerxHome | is handango a pretty good place to deal with then? |
| 15:29:20 | Cam__ | that's it, I need some wireless kit.. I'll have to get writing |
| 15:29:22 | warmi | VerxHome: not really .. their cut is pretty high but , on the other hand, they are well known |
| 15:29:29 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 15:29:38 | VerxHome | do they do percentage or flat fee cut? |
| 15:29:49 | BigBoss | percentage |
| 15:29:52 | warmi | VerxHome: 30 % at this point but it changes |
| 15:29:56 | VerxHome | wow |
| 15:29:58 | VerxHome | 30% |
| 15:30:06 | VerxHome | they are making a KILLING |
| 15:30:12 | BigBoss | then it goes to 40% |
| 15:30:13 | VerxHome | costs them NOTHING |
| 15:30:18 | benmeyer | yah they do just about nothing |
| 15:30:22 | BigBoss | then it goes to 50% |
| 15:30:25 | benmeyer | just like ebay |
| 15:30:25 | warmi | VerxHome: well, it does cost to maintain the servers etc |
| 15:30:33 | benmeyer | ebay makes $$$ |
| 15:30:35 | VerxHome | warmi: Not that much |
| 15:30:36 | BigBoss | well to be fair they have infrastructure costs, and they do develop software and do support |
| 15:30:43 | benmeyer | now that is the company I wish I had been in long ago |
| 15:31:03 | warmi | VerxHome: then they handle all the acounting etc .. you just get the paycheck every month |
| 15:31:48 | warmi | VerxHome: they also support freeware which , frankly, is at least 50% of stuff available there |
| 15:32:00 | VerxHome | warmi: Now that is a most excellent point |
| 15:32:06 | VerxHome | truly, I had forgotten about that |
| 15:32:12 | VerxHome | takes every comment back |
| 15:32:12 | warmi | and somebody has to pay for that |
| 15:32:18 | warmi | yeah |
| 15:33:12 | warmi | benmeyer: .. hehe .. instead , you are working at Sharp :-) |
| 15:33:14 | BigBoss | however raising the royalty rate for more sales is counter productive |
| 15:33:21 | BigBoss | you are being penalized for being successful |
| 15:33:36 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 15:33:45 | warmi | BigBoss: true that .. can you say "socialism" ? |
| 15:33:49 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:33:58 | warmi | progressive tax rate |
| 15:34:04 | BigBoss | i know nothing about socialism, I'm a pure capitalist :) |
| 15:34:07 | warmi | they doing exactly the same thing |
| 15:34:13 | mark | warmi: good point |
| 15:34:21 | BigBoss | so I only begrudge the fact that I didn't do a Handango first :) |
| 15:34:47 | warmi | BigBoss: hehe .... yeah, it was one of these .com ideas that actually worked |
| 15:35:24 | warmi | BigBoss: if you live in CA you cannot be "pure capitalist" |
| 15:35:30 | warmi | :-) |
| 15:36:19 | warmi | mark: what's you next project ? |
| 15:36:52 | BigBoss | sure I can |
| 15:36:53 | sig | sup fellas |
| 15:36:54 | BigBoss | what prevents me? |
| 15:36:56 | sig | hey BigBoss |
| 15:36:58 | BigBoss | hey sig |
| 15:37:37 | BigBoss | If, 1 year ago, you put $1000 in Enron you would now have $16.50, |
| 15:37:37 | BigBoss | if you put $1000 in WorldCom you would now have $5.00, |
| 15:37:37 | BigBoss | if you had bought $1000 worth of Budweiser, drank it and recycled the cans |
| 15:37:37 | BigBoss | you would now have $156.00. |
| 15:37:37 | warmi | BigBoss: hehehe ... true Reagan was from that state and he certainly was as "pure" as one can get |
| 15:37:52 | warmi | BigBoss: heheeh |
| 15:37:59 | toolafial | I could claim I'm a full communist even though I live in the US |
| 15:38:12 | toolafial | but I'm not a communist |
| 15:38:13 | sig | BigBoss: lol |
| 15:38:18 | kergoth`work | hm Data Architect looks pretty damn cool. inexpensive too. |
| 15:38:32 | BigBoss | kergoth: that's right - if you don't buy it, we both loose money :) |
| 15:38:39 | warmi | kergoth`work: yeah .. .tkc stuff seems cheap when compared to similar products . |
| 15:38:47 | kergoth`work | i agree |
| 15:38:51 | kergoth`work | BigBoss: hehe |
| 15:38:54 | warmi | of course I have not had a chance to compare them extensively |
| 15:39:02 | warmi | SQLProject however, works as advertised |
| 15:39:14 | BigBoss | that's a relief :) |
| 15:39:20 | kergoth`work | BigBoss: I dont do a LOT of sql stuff, but I do web based stuff with sql backends.. |
| 15:39:35 | sig | BigBoss: my parents have lost 10's of thousands of dollars in their mutual funds... :( |
| 15:39:46 | sig | ira's etc.. |
| 15:39:57 | BigBoss | sig: I haven't looked at mine in 2 years, i don't want to know |
| 15:39:58 | kergoth`work | i shudder to look at my 401k |
| 15:40:06 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 15:40:06 | sig | BigBoss: yeah really |
| 15:40:09 | br33zy | warmi! |
| 15:40:09 | warmi | BigBoss: believe it or not , some folks here were suspicious of this $30 price tag .. you know how it is .. if it is that cheap , it CAN't be any good |
| 15:40:17 | BigBoss | of course now when the markets are really low and I should put money in, I don't have any |
| 15:40:25 | kergoth`work | BigBoss: exactly. |
| 15:40:34 | toolafial | there's the catch 22 right there |
| 15:40:52 | BigBoss | warmi: Yes, I know how it is, I ran into it on the mainframes as well. I'd sell it for $500 or $5000 and it was just as much work to sell either one and I'd sell the same amount |
| 15:40:59 | Rascal_ | omg |
| 15:41:09 | BigBoss | my belief is to price things under what I consider to be the "personal pain threshold" |
| 15:41:18 | Rascal_ | kergoth: can you help me find out why my file directories are messed up? |
| 15:41:21 | BigBoss | at what point do I personally take a second thought to buy something |
| 15:41:25 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: whats going on? |
| 15:41:26 | BigBoss | and I'm a super cheap bastard |
| 15:41:31 | warmi | hehehe |
| 15:41:31 | kergoth`work | hah |
| 15:41:36 | sig | BigBoss: same here |
| 15:41:48 | Rascal_ | find gets caught in a recursive loop |
| 15:41:52 | Rascal_ | check this out. |
| 15:41:59 | sig | I did buy a sweet ass case for the z the other week though, never seen one as nice as this one and the price isn't bad at all |
| 15:41:59 | Rascal_ | ./usr/mnt.rom/card/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/java/QtPalmtop/bin/checkbook |
| 15:42:15 | warmi | sig: how much ? |
| 15:42:18 | toolafial | sig: what case did you buy? |
| 15:42:19 | sig | BigBoss: W|GGL|T and I bought one of these cases |
| 15:42:20 | sig | http://www.pielframa.com/indexeng.html |
| 15:42:30 | Rascal_ | went to those directories and there was no symbolic links |
| 15:42:36 | Rascal_ | sig so did the case come in? |
| 15:42:41 | sig | warmi: toolafial here's the exact link |
| 15:42:44 | sig | http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 15:42:44 | BigBoss | those are the ones my other customer told me about that I've been telling everyone about |
| 15:42:50 | BigBoss | they are pretty much perfect |
| 15:43:06 | sig | BigBoss: this thing fits so perfect |
| 15:43:10 | sig | super nice |
| 15:43:14 | sig | I love this case |
| 15:43:26 | BigBoss | I gotta get me one |
| 15:43:30 | Rascal_ | sig: so it came in then |
| 15:43:34 | sig | it even comes with a belt clip that isn't shown on there |
| 15:43:42 | sig | Rascal_: yeah i got mine a week ago |
| 15:43:51 | sig | took only 4 days |
| 15:43:57 | sig | they are made in spain |
| 15:44:13 | W|GGL|T | it rulez |
| 15:44:19 | VerxHome | how restrictive is the 5000D for day to day use? |
| 15:44:23 | sig | W|GGL|T: yes it does |
| 15:44:24 | sig | :) |
| 15:44:26 | W|GGL|T | heheh |
| 15:44:29 | sig | is a happy customer |
| 15:44:58 | W|GGL|T | i need to make the power supply hole bigger |
| 15:45:01 | toolafial | I like the case that I got and it was only $15 |
| 15:45:05 | sig | isn't a .backup just a tar.gz / |
| 15:45:06 | sig | ? |
| 15:45:13 | smee|w | dont you find the pielframa case doesnt quite work right with charging? |
| 15:45:21 | W|GGL|T | sig: i think so, yeah |
| 15:45:22 | sig | toolafial: I definately bet it isn't as nice as these |
| 15:45:31 | toolafial | no, first it's not leather |
| 15:45:36 | sig | I want to look at them |
| 15:45:38 | VerxHome | anyone here with both a 5000 and a 5500? |
| 15:45:40 | toolafial | and it required velcro on the back |
| 15:45:51 | toolafial | but it protects it nicely |
| 15:45:53 | sig | yuck.. |
| 15:45:59 | W|GGL|T | smee|w: yeah, the leather is thick but xavier said all he did was use scissors to make the hole a little bigger |
| 15:46:00 | sig | you put velcro on your z!?!? |
| 15:46:14 | W|GGL|T | VerxHome: only 5500 here |
| 15:46:29 | toolafial | sig: it's not like it's going to lessen the re-sale value |
| 15:46:30 | sig | W|GGL|T: strange, mine fits perfectly in the charger |
| 15:46:40 | sig | toolafial: velcro is cheesy |
| 15:46:41 | sig | hehe |
| 15:46:56 | toolafial | sig: yea, I know but I would rather spend 65 on a wireless card |
| 15:47:01 | sig | toolafial: who is your case made by? taurus? |
| 15:47:01 | W|GGL|T | that's one thing i didn't want....to stick velcro on it |
| 15:47:10 | smee|w | W|GGL|T: so the whole plug goes in there? yeah I'll try that |
| 15:47:12 | sig | W|GGL|T: exactly |
| 15:47:13 | toolafial | sig : no, get ready for this, body glove |
| 15:47:28 | sig | body glove? |
| 15:47:29 | sig | heh |
| 15:47:35 | sig | didn't know they made cases and such |
| 15:47:41 | toolafial | yea |
| 15:48:03 | W|GGL|T | designed by kiana tom :oP |
| 15:48:03 | toolafial | it makes it look cheap, which is great since it probably won't get stolen when I go back to school |
| 15:48:19 | sig | hah |
| 15:48:24 | warmi | toolafial: heheh |
| 15:48:40 | VerxHome | W|GGL|T: What is the ROM/RAM difference between 5000 and 5500? |
| 15:48:40 | sig | I'd stick my shoe up someones ass if they tried to steal my shit |
| 15:48:46 | toolafial | I put my laptop in a beat up duffel bag |
| 15:48:49 | VerxHome | is on the sharp web page trying to figure this out |
| 15:48:56 | toolafial | No body even looks at me twice |
| 15:49:14 | treke | VerxHome: 5000d has 32MB ram. 5000 has 64. Both have 16MB rom |
| 15:49:18 | W|GGL|T | VerxHome: rom is the same i think....rom, the 5000 has 32mb and the 5500 has 64 |
| 15:49:25 | toolafial | well I'm going to vegas and that can be a rough town |
| 15:49:30 | BigBoss | i thought the 5500 had 32mb rom |
| 15:49:43 | sig | 32 32 |
| 15:49:49 | treke | BigBoss: nope |
| 15:49:54 | VerxHome | treke: Ok, I actually did pretty decent with 16MB of ROM on my 3650. I couldn't fit everything I wanted, but it worked out. |
| 15:50:00 | mark | 16,32 isn't it? |
| 15:50:01 | warmi | I hope never models will feature 32 Mb of ROM |
| 15:50:16 | sig | mark I'm not sure |
| 15:50:24 | treke | VerxHome: It can be done. Would be tough. ( mine hovers around 22MB used) |
| 15:50:47 | warmi | that would make possible to have two different qte libraries .. one for legace 2.3 stuff and one for 3.x stuff |
| 15:51:52 | mark | warmi: the 3 one will have to have a different name wont it? |
| 15:52:15 | sig | http://sigkill9.tripod.com/zaurus.html |
| 15:52:25 | warmi | no.. I mean it would be named qt.so.3 or something like that |
| 15:52:46 | warmi | it would work the same way it does on the desktop |
| 15:53:39 | Rascal_ | kergoth |
| 15:53:48 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:58:34) |
| 15:55:04 | W|GGL|T | stats need to be updated |
| 15:55:05 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: sounds like you just have a symlink problem that produces a recursive structure.. i.e. ln -s . blah; |
| 15:55:22 | Rascal_ | but it doesn't look like a symbolic link |
| 15:55:29 | | Since Tue Jul 23 08:44:23 2002, there have been 69 modifications and 249 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 8 hours, 11 minutes, 6 seconds this session, and currently reference 6766 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 15:55:29 | sig | ibot: status |
| 15:55:42 | Rascal_ | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 16384 Jul 24 03:18 apps/ |
| 15:55:42 | Rascal_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Jul 24 03:18 bin/ |
| 15:55:42 | Rascal_ | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 16384 Jul 23 02:50 help/ |
| 15:55:42 | Rascal_ | drwxr-xr-x 65535 root root 0 Jul 24 17:00 java/ |
| 15:55:42 | Rascal_ | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 16384 Jul 24 01:49 lib/ |
| 15:55:43 | Rascal_ | drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 16384 Jul 24 03:18 pics/ |
| 15:55:44 | | somebody said 5000rom was http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download.asp |
| 15:55:44 | W|GGL|T | ibot 5000rom |
| 15:55:45 | Rascal_ | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 16384 Jul 24 03:01 share/ |
| 15:55:47 | Rascal_ | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 16384 Jul 24 03:02 sounds/ |
| 15:55:49 | Rascal_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Jul 23 09:32 zradio/ |
| 15:55:51 | Rascal_ | that's ls -l |
| 15:56:10 | benmeyer | kergoth's faithful follower, warmi, didn't speak so much: 149919 words. |
| 15:56:11 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:56:19 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:57:26 | sig | W|GGL|T: go to this url with netscape or mozilla |
| 15:57:32 | benmeyer | whardier is talking to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 441 times! |
| 15:57:37 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/community/gangstajedi.swf |
| 15:57:39 | benmeyer | Another lonely one was kergoth, who managed to hit 233 times. |
| 15:57:41 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:57:52 | kergoth`work | hehe |
| 15:57:54 | kergoth`work | those stats are fun |
| 15:58:44 | benmeyer | kergoth seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 2 times. |
| 15:58:45 | W|GGL|T | sig: i have no shockwave or flash on the linux box |
| 15:58:50 | W|GGL|T | i hate them |
| 15:58:52 | sig | W|GGL|T: get it |
| 15:58:58 | treke | shoots kergoth`work |
| 15:59:04 | kergoth`work | benmeyer: forehead got abused .. |
| 15:59:04 | benmeyer | Harlekin's faithful follower, kergoth, didn't speak so much: 92537 words. |
| 15:59:05 | benmeyer | hahaha |
| 15:59:09 | kergoth`work | lol |
| 15:59:11 | kergoth`work | #opie? |
| 15:59:15 | benmeyer | yah |
| 15:59:17 | kergoth`work | hehe |
| 15:59:24 | Harlekin | benmeyer: ? |
| 15:59:31 | kergoth`work | Harlekin: ibot channel stats |
| 15:59:35 | Harlekin | ah |
| 15:59:42 | sig | this flash is funny |
| 16:00:03 | | mark: sorry... |
| 16:00:03 | mark | ibot channel stats |
| 16:03:29 | whardier | YOU ALL KNOW ME! |
| 16:03:35 | sig | sup whardier |
| 16:03:39 | CmdrChalupa | okay, I just went to bestbuy and bought a zaurus...the SD card doesn't automount....I figured out how to mount it manually, and changed the device from mmcda1 to mmcda in fstab, but that didn't fix it any |
| 16:04:02 | sig | CmdrChalupa: it should automnt |
| 16:04:07 | sig | all you do is put it in |
| 16:04:24 | sig | unless the fs is unreadable |
| 16:04:32 | kergoth`work | whardier: no we dont |
| 16:04:37 | CmdrChalupa | nope, the fs is readable, I've mounted it manually |
| 16:04:53 | sig | CmdrChalupa: does the little sd card icon show up on the panel below? |
| 16:04:53 | CmdrChalupa | mounting /dev/mmcda mounts it |
| 16:05:07 | CmdrChalupa | no, because it's trying to mount /dev/mmcda1 |
| 16:05:18 | sig | umount it |
| 16:05:20 | sig | take it out |
| 16:05:26 | sig | restart your z and try it again |
| 16:05:44 | kergoth`work | CmdrChalupa: your sd needs a partition |
| 16:06:01 | CmdrChalupa | okay, I'll fdisk it then |
| 16:06:08 | CmdrChalupa | hopefully that will work on it |
| 16:06:12 | kergoth`work | yes |
| 16:06:15 | sig | kergoth`work: mine doesn't have a partition and it automounts |
| 16:06:24 | kergoth`work | create the fielsystem on mmcda1, not mmcda |
| 16:06:33 | kergoth`work | sig: you mkfs.vfat /dev/sdmmc? |
| 16:06:36 | kergoth`work | er/ |
| 16:06:36 | sig | no |
| 16:06:40 | kergoth`work | s/sdmmc/mmcsd/ |
| 16:06:45 | kergoth`work | no? |
| 16:06:48 | sig | nope |
| 16:06:53 | sig | right out of the box |
| 16:06:56 | sig | heh |
| 16:07:00 | kergoth`work | mount |
| 16:07:04 | kergoth`work | does it show mmcda or mmcda1? |
| 16:07:14 | CmdrChalupa | I tried mkfs.msdos /dev/mmcda1 and it says tring to create a filesystem to large |
| 16:07:15 | sig | it shows the card icon |
| 16:07:20 | kergoth`work | sig |
| 16:07:22 | kergoth`work | from konsole |
| 16:07:24 | kergoth`work | run mount |
| 16:07:28 | kergoth`work | do you see mmcda or mmcda1 |
| 16:07:32 | sig | one sec |
| 16:07:38 | kergoth`work | CmdrChalupa: you need to fdisk it first. |
| 16:07:52 | kergoth`work | CmdrChalupa: delete all partitions, create a new one thats full size.. then mkfs mmcda1 |
| 16:07:58 | kergoth`work | CmdrChalupa: that shoudl be all you need |
| 16:08:02 | sig | kergoth`work I see a few things |
| 16:08:15 | sig | /dev/mmcda1 |
| 16:08:19 | sig | /dev/pts |
| 16:08:20 | kergoth`work | yeah |
| 16:08:23 | kergoth`work | mmcda1 |
| 16:08:28 | kergoth`work | that means you have a single partition on your sd card. |
| 16:08:29 | kergoth`work | exactly. |
| 16:08:30 | sig | maybe it did |
| 16:08:31 | CmdrChalupa | ok |
| 16:08:34 | kergoth`work | its just his didnt come that way |
| 16:08:39 | kergoth`work | never trust a default :-) |
| 16:08:42 | kergoth`work | hey XavierXeon |
| 16:08:46 | sig | hah |
| 16:08:47 | XavierXeon | hi |
| 16:09:07 | XavierXeon | really hates his ISP |
| 16:09:53 | XavierXeon | if i suddenly dissapear from this channel my connection is broken again |
| 16:09:54 | Rascal_ | what's battery life like with a microdrive? |
| 16:09:56 | smee|w | I get gross fs corruption with my sandisk 64MB on suspend with oz...anything I can do about that? |
| 16:09:59 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: bad |
| 16:10:08 | VerxHome | Rascal: Sortof like shorting the battery |
| 16:10:09 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:10:29 | kergoth`work | smee|w: thats all in the hands of sharp's sdmgr.. we use the same app to automount and the same driver as the sharp rom.. without the code, we cant debug |
| 16:10:31 | CmdrChalupa | no fdisk... |
| 16:10:45 | | well, ipkgfind is at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ or at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 16:10:45 | kergoth`work | ibot: ipkgfind |
| 16:10:45 | CmdrChalupa | heads for an arm software archive... |
| 16:10:46 | sig | CmdrChalupa: download it |
| 16:11:13 | sig | CmdrChalupa: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/feed/ |
| 16:11:16 | kergoth`work | hey dell finally credited me for that laptop i returned |
| 16:11:17 | kergoth`work | finally |
| 16:11:21 | kergoth`work | now i can order a new one |
| 16:11:26 | whardier | woot |
| 16:11:44 | kergoth`work | better pay his bills first |
| 16:11:45 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 16:11:56 | smee|w | kergoth'work: ok - thanks |
| 16:11:59 | sig | CmdrChalupa: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=205 |
| 16:12:01 | whardier | is uber hungary |
| 16:12:07 | smee|w | kergoth'work: you returned your I8200? |
| 16:12:09 | kergoth`work | office space.. yeah, I never really liked bills either.. i dont think i'll pay them anymore |
| 16:12:21 | kergoth`work | smee|w: yeh, found out i coudl upgrade the display for about $20 |
| 16:12:22 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 16:12:29 | smee|w | :) |
| 16:13:11 | sig | kergoth`work: heh |
| 16:13:15 | kergoth`work | oh nice, theres a 10% stackable discount on DellSB purchases atm |
| 16:13:29 | kergoth`work | likes http://gotapex.com/deals.php |
| 16:13:30 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 16:13:33 | VerxHome | has a Dell L400 |
| 16:13:38 | smee|w | to the 1600x1400 one? that sounds lovely |
| 16:13:41 | VerxHome | work provided it, it is nice and small |
| 16:13:46 | whardier | I registered with some goofball company for a free iPaq today |
| 16:13:52 | VerxHome | and I get a new replacement every 3 years |
| 16:13:53 | sig | do dell laptops work good with linux on them? |
| 16:13:54 | VerxHome | woot! :) |
| 16:14:06 | Rascal_ | whardier: what company? |
| 16:14:27 | kergoth`work | sig: so i hear |
| 16:14:32 | sig | nice |
| 16:14:37 | sig | thats what I wanted to hear |
| 16:14:39 | kergoth`work | VerxHome: nice. |
| 16:14:50 | sig | http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/topics/segtopic_precision.htm |
| 16:14:53 | kergoth`work | sig: too bad you cant order them without the windows license :-) |
| 16:14:54 | whardier | http://synapseconnect.dartmail3.net/cgi-bin9/flo?y=mJhO0Fphge0EuE0BLMO0B7 |
| 16:15:07 | VerxHome | it is only a 700Mhz cpu, only has 256MB of ram and can only do 1024x768, but it was free |
| 16:15:08 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:15:24 | kergoth`work | sig: ouch, those precision notebooks are expensive :-) |
| 16:15:27 | treke | VerxHome: Thats plenty fast :) |
| 16:15:35 | VerxHome | I thought so |
| 16:15:42 | VerxHome | wish I could upgrade the memory tho |
| 16:16:23 | treke | yeah. More ram could be important depending on the software you run. 256 could be very usable though |
| 16:17:26 | VerxHome | so far, 256 has been fine |
| 16:17:34 | VerxHome | but that is the maximum the L400 can have |
| 16:17:39 | sig | kergoth`work: what notebook were you looking at? the latitudes ? |
| 16:17:57 | kergoth`work | sig: nah, i'm a cheap bastard, i'm looking at the inspiron 8200 |
| 16:18:02 | sig | lol |
| 16:18:03 | treke | yeah. 512 is kinda the minimum if you wannt run vmware though |
| 16:18:07 | sig | how much are they? |
| 16:18:28 | sig | that thing is thick! |
| 16:18:30 | kergoth`work | sig: like $1450 or something. pretty full featured, though large .. |
| 16:18:35 | kergoth`work | sig: yes it is, its a beast |
| 16:18:38 | sig | lol |
| 16:18:41 | sig | fsk that |
| 16:18:42 | sig | hehe |
| 16:18:42 | kergoth`work | sig: hehe |
| 16:18:47 | CmdrChalupa | okay, sd works...thanks |
| 16:18:47 | treke | how heavy? |
| 16:18:50 | kergoth`work | sig: i'm cheap, i cant afford something else :-) |
| 16:18:55 | kergoth`work | CmdrChalupa: good good, np |
| 16:19:00 | kergoth`work | treke: like 7.5 pounds or some shit iirc |
| 16:19:02 | sig | have you looked at IBM laptops? |
| 16:19:08 | kergoth`work | sig: not recently |
| 16:19:10 | treke | damn. thats fricken heavy |
| 16:19:27 | sig | that thing looks like a early 80's thick ass laptop |
| 16:19:27 | sig | lol |
| 16:19:28 | kergoth`work | sig: i was drooling over the powerbooks for a bit of course, but thats a given |
| 16:19:43 | treke | kinda likes the ibook |
| 16:19:46 | kergoth`work | sig: yeah, it reminds me of that 386 laptop i had... |
| 16:19:53 | kergoth`work | treke: yeah the ibook is nice, but i hear its slow.. |
| 16:19:57 | sig | kergoth`work: yeah those power books would cost a set of your balls..... damn rip off |
| 16:20:12 | mark | kergoth`work: its PPC. yuck :) |
| 16:20:12 | treke | kergoth`work: Well I wouldnt be running osx on it, so its surely fast enough :) |
| 16:20:30 | BigBoss | I have a Titanium laptop with OS 9, OS X and debian on it |
| 16:20:31 | whardier | mencoder -dvd 1 -aid 128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=7200:vhq:keyint=300:vme=4:v4mv -pp 0x20000 -lameopts vbr=3:q=4 -oac mp3lame -vop scale=640:280,crop=718:352:0:60,fame -zoom -sws 2 -o The_Matrix-HiQ-DivX.avi |
| 16:20:31 | whardier | :) |
| 16:20:34 | BigBoss | works great |
| 16:20:37 | kergoth`work | sig: yeah, but the wide screen..... |
| 16:20:37 | treke | problem with ppc is it means pretty much none of my games would work on it |
| 16:20:38 | kergoth`work | sig: hehe |
| 16:20:40 | BigBoss | I use OS X to watch movies mostly |
| 16:20:42 | kergoth`work | treke: yeh |
| 16:20:55 | kergoth`work | mark: nothing wrong with PPC .. i just wouldnt use os X |
| 16:21:14 | sig | I wouldn't use OS 9.2 either |
| 16:21:16 | mark | kergoth`work: you can't run wineX on it. :P |
| 16:21:17 | sig | shitty |
| 16:21:24 | kergoth`work | mark: hah |
| 16:21:26 | kergoth`work | sig: yeh |
| 16:21:27 | whardier | I would not use OS * |
| 16:21:34 | treke | the lack of sc3u basically tosse it out of the running :) |
| 16:21:54 | sig | I got the crossover full |
| 16:21:59 | sig | crossover is kinda nice |
| 16:22:05 | sig | I can use powerpoint now |
| 16:22:07 | sig | heh |
| 16:22:11 | mark | sig: yeah, its neat as hell. |
| 16:22:15 | treke | too bad the windows media plugin doesnt work well |
| 16:22:39 | sig | mark: powerpoint is about all i use it for |
| 16:22:57 | sig | treke I use aviplay for windows media shit |
| 16:23:01 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:23:01 | mark | sig: office XP products dont run on it do they? |
| 16:23:03 | whardier | here is a question of blah |
| 16:23:11 | treke | sig: talking about the streaming crap |
| 16:23:16 | whardier | why does everybody aim movie rips to fit on a CD ? |
| 16:23:21 | kergoth`work | sig: are the ibm laptops decent? i've heard conflicting reports |
| 16:23:22 | whardier | just because of the cool factor? |
| 16:23:33 | sig | kergoth`work: well, they look decent |
| 16:23:35 | whardier | I like having a 1.4 gig Matrix rip that looks damn fucking good |
| 16:23:44 | kergoth`work | I need to buy a laptop for development. |
| 16:23:45 | sig | not sure about much else |
| 16:23:46 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 16:23:59 | kergoth`work | sig: I was looking at the inspiron because its fast, given the cost |
| 16:24:05 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 16:24:10 | [DrEvil] | my BT card arrived |
| 16:24:15 | Sniper | i shall call him Minime |
| 16:24:20 | sig | kergoth`work: yeah I'll have to definately look into that |
| 16:24:28 | sig | what is the processor on it? |
| 16:24:30 | kergoth`work | hey Sniper |
| 16:24:35 | Sniper | hi all |
| 16:24:38 | kergoth`work | sig: p4 1.6-2.0 iirc |
| 16:24:40 | mark | hi Sniper |
| 16:24:43 | [DrEvil] | [MiniMe] is my nick when I use tkcJabber |
| 16:24:44 | mark | wb warmi |
| 16:24:46 | sig | nice |
| 16:24:52 | sig | I might have to just buy one |
| 16:24:58 | sig | my woman and I both need one |
| 16:25:18 | mark | warmi: btw, you said knights could do nearly everything zchess did. what is there zchess did/does that knights doesnt? |
| 16:25:19 | kergoth`work | sig: I'd really like a lightweight laptop thats still fast, but those are too damn expensive. in my price range its one or the other :-0 |
| 16:25:23 | kergoth`work | s/0/)/ |
| 16:25:38 | sig | exactly the same situation I'm in |
| 16:25:43 | sig | I need to win the lottery |
| 16:25:52 | Rascal_ | sig: use an ibook |
| 16:26:02 | sig | even if I won the lottery I'd still be a cheap bastard |
| 16:26:06 | warmi | mark: I guess nothing at this point |
| 16:26:09 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: ibook's are slow. i wouldnt want one for development |
| 16:26:13 | kergoth`work | sig: hehe, true that |
| 16:26:23 | Rascal_ | true.. |
| 16:26:36 | sig | I really don't want mac anything |
| 16:26:50 | treke | only having one mouse button would suck |
| 16:26:53 | kergoth`work | yeah |
| 16:26:54 | sig | not after I took to college classes on them a few quarters ago |
| 16:26:59 | kergoth`work | the architecture is nice though |
| 16:27:05 | Rascal_ | have you tried using the new OS X? |
| 16:27:08 | warmi | mark: I guess the only thing was that zchess uses modified existing and mature chess engine, which means it does not have bugs as far as validations of moves etc |
| 16:27:12 | Rascal_ | it's bsd underneath.. |
| 16:27:22 | sig | the only neat thing about osx is true transparency |
| 16:27:22 | sig | hah |
| 16:27:26 | Rascal_ | my friend had enlightenment running on his ibook |
| 16:27:35 | warmi | mark: I mean, it uses it internally for moves validation etc .. |
| 16:27:40 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: yeah but os x is dog slow, so i hear |
| 16:27:53 | warmi | while Knights has its own validation code |
| 16:27:59 | treke | just plain doesnt like using OSX |
| 16:28:10 | Rascal_ | kergoth`work: it's not that bad |
| 16:28:15 | warmi | treke|home: too fancy for you ? |
| 16:28:19 | warmi | heh |
| 16:28:39 | mark | warmi: right |
| 16:28:48 | treke | warmi: Well yes, but thats something I could live with :) |
| 16:29:41 | warmi | treke|home: some people claim OSX to be the best thing even ... great GUI combined with wealth of available commerical apps ( as compared to Linux) + Unix underneath |
| 16:29:57 | kergoth`work | warmi: its definately good in theory :-) |
| 16:29:57 | warmi | even->ever |
| 16:30:25 | warmi | and it does seem like it is a great OS .. |
| 16:30:27 | sig | well, I need to go pay my insurance and head to work |
| 16:30:28 | Rascal_ | honestly I think OS X will be the future for unix |
| 16:30:37 | sig | maybe they'll fire me today so i can have the rest of the summer off |
| 16:30:40 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: on the desktop, perhaps. |
| 16:30:57 | oGMo | warmi, except it doesn't really have a wealth of commercial apps yet, and the gui looks cute---and display PDF is neat---but the actual desktop isn't really that much more functional than antyhing else |
| 16:30:58 | Rascal_ | kergoth`work: have you seen the new apple 1U servers? |
| 16:31:12 | warmi | too bad hardware it runs on is ridiculously overpriced |
| 16:31:42 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: they wont take that market. |
| 16:31:47 | Rascal_ | oGMo: OS X has alot of commercial apps.. plus alot of unix apps already ported to it. the desktop is more refined |
| 16:31:52 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: just not going to happen. you dont need a fancy interface on a server |
| 16:32:01 | Rascal_ | kergoth`work: I know it's a need to look at though.. |
| 16:32:09 | warmi | oGMo: uh .. I am sure that withing next couple of months OSX wil have a far greater number of 3rd party apps then Linux ever had |
| 16:32:14 | sig | XFCE is just fine for me |
| 16:32:15 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: linux has the low end server market. aix and solaris will keep enterprise, and who knows whatll happen on the desktop |
| 16:32:15 | Rascal_ | s/need/neat/ |
| 16:32:23 | sig | I don't like anything else but the CDE look |
| 16:32:28 | oGMo | Rascal_: eh. OS 9 apps don't count, and the major OSX apps aren't there yet (unless stuff like Photoshop has come out since I last looked) |
| 16:32:38 | oGMo | warmi, perhaps |
| 16:32:42 | warmi | oGMo: what do you mean "dekstop isn't reall that much more " ? |
| 16:32:46 | kergoth`work | ugh i hate cde.. i really do |
| 16:32:55 | sig | kergoth`work: :( |
| 16:32:57 | sig | I love it |
| 16:33:00 | Rascal_ | oGMo: yes Photoshop 7 has been out for a while oGMo |
| 16:33:07 | sig | xfce is lite and fast |
| 16:33:11 | sig | thats all i care for |
| 16:33:16 | sig | osx is just eye candy |
| 16:33:19 | oGMo | one one hand, i don't use many commercial apps now, so I could care less... otoh, i'll believe it when i see it |
| 16:33:22 | sig | I could do without all that crap |
| 16:33:25 | oGMo | Rascal_: native OS X port? |
| 16:33:33 | Rascal_ | oGMo: yes |
| 16:33:37 | oGMo | well, there's one |
| 16:33:51 | oGMo | when they port Digital Performer, i'll consider ;) |
| 16:33:52 | warmi | oGMo: MS office, Internet Explorer |
| 16:33:55 | Rascal_ | oGMo: MS office is another |
| 16:34:02 | warmi | these things sometimes are usefull, you know :-) |
| 16:34:03 | Rascal_ | oGMo: premier is another |
| 16:34:05 | oGMo | oh, i just can't WAIT to use those :P |
| 16:34:13 | ljp_ | someone porting MS Office to the Z? |
| 16:34:15 | sig | is it true that KDE was being threatend by Mac because of their crystal look they are taking on? |
| 16:34:22 | oGMo | MS office is useful? could have fooled me! :) |
| 16:34:24 | sig | who the hell told me that now |
| 16:34:32 | oGMo | i'd rather use LaTeX, sorry |
| 16:34:41 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 16:34:42 | oGMo | although, excel is OK if you need a spreadsheet |
| 16:34:46 | kergoth`work | i stick to openoffice for most things |
| 16:34:55 | kergoth`work | docbook for documenting my apps and code |
| 16:34:56 | warmi | oGMo: surely is when the only way you can communicate with some of your coworkers is thru MS Outlook |
| 16:34:57 | mark | lotus 123 was great. |
| 16:34:57 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 16:34:58 | fusion94 | oGMo: yeah but you're a perv |
| 16:34:59 | whardier | I stick to the plan! |
| 16:35:01 | sig | oGMo: there are other excel type programs that are just as good for linux |
| 16:35:02 | oGMo | kergoth`work: which is what i used when i needed a spreadsheet, or now hancomsheet ;) |
| 16:35:04 | kergoth`work | whardier: whats the plan? |
| 16:35:09 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 16:35:12 | oGMo | fusion94: look who's talkin'! |
| 16:35:14 | oGMo | :) |
| 16:35:32 | fusion94 | oGMo: yeah i'm proud to use office for os x |
| 16:35:33 | warmi | sig: where did you hear about KDE/apple problems ? |
| 16:35:43 | sig | warmi: can't recall now |
| 16:35:43 | Rascal_ | kergoth`work: fixed my FS had to format the whole card |
| 16:35:45 | oGMo | sig, yeah |
| 16:35:46 | sig | I'm searching |
| 16:35:47 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: odd |
| 16:36:07 | sig | warmi: someone said something about a law suit |
| 16:36:10 | Rascal_ | kergoth`work: it was odd. it was like there was a hardlink to a directory |
| 16:36:12 | ljp_ | I had similiar filesystem corruption on a cf card.. |
| 16:36:15 | sig | I'm trying to remeber who told me that |
| 16:36:20 | mark | warmi: ah, something for kde league to do :) |
| 16:36:22 | sig | thought someone in here did |
| 16:36:33 | warmi | sig: I thought this latest KDE look was more like a cross between Aqua and windows XP look |
| 16:36:44 | warmi | frankly, even more XP than OSX |
| 16:36:45 | kergoth`work | Rascal_: well except that thats not possible of course. hehe |
| 16:36:49 | Rascal_ | yep |
| 16:37:03 | sig | warmi: isn't aqua mac? |
| 16:37:08 | Rascal_ | sig: yes |
| 16:37:10 | sig | aqua look |
| 16:37:13 | sig | thought so |
| 16:37:17 | Rascal_ | how does kde3 look? I haven't tried installing it. |
| 16:37:22 | warmi | sig: eyah but it is not exactly Aqua either |
| 16:38:02 | XavierXeon | Rascal_: you can find pics of KDE3 on my homepage http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon |
| 16:39:04 | Rascal_ | wow they've done up konqueror real nice |
| 16:39:12 | warmi | yeah .. this one looks like a mix of XP/OSX http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/desktop/sftp.png |
| 16:40:33 | XavierXeon | its the KDE3.1 default style |
| 16:41:24 | warmi | yeah.. I still run KDE 2.2 or 2.3 on my box |
| 16:41:29 | warmi | time to upgrade |
| 16:41:34 | warmi | I like this new look |
| 16:41:51 | Rascal_ | I'm still ximian |
| 16:42:35 | XavierXeon | warmi: look is not so important. what i really like are the features konqueor now has |
| 16:42:44 | warmi | what's ximian ? version of Gnome ? |
| 16:42:49 | Rascal_ | warmi: yes |
| 16:43:06 | warmi | oh .. we have a GTK fellow here hmm |
| 16:43:08 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:43:32 | bipolar | I guess the only way to get kde 3.1alpha and keep 3.0 is to compile from source, eh? |
| 16:43:40 | sig | ... why either 29 May 2002 6:11am Apple ... MS' MIT prof witness gets toasted over KDE ... According |
| 16:43:40 | sig | to this reading of the law ... 4:41am Adobe wins patent infringement suit ... |
| 16:44:35 | bipolar | hehehe.... I have an apple dealer next to my office. :) |
| 16:45:14 | warmi | ximian, KDE, whatever .. as long as I am having problems pasting text from Mozilla to Nedit, KDE apps or Motif based SlickEdit .. X based desktop sucks ! |
| 16:45:39 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:45:48 | VerxHome | I have vs6.0 with sp5 installed |
| 16:45:56 | VerxHome | as well as qt designer for non commercial use |
| 16:45:57 | warmi | seem like every X toolkit has its own concept of clipboard |
| 16:45:59 | Harlekin | http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/screeny4.jpg |
| 16:46:00 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 16:46:05 | Harlekin | kde3.1 cvs |
| 16:46:06 | kergoth`work | hmm |
| 16:46:07 | mark | warmi: freedesktop has some standard |
| 16:46:12 | VerxHome | I don't see any qt specific toolbars in vs tho |
| 16:46:13 | VerxHome | :( |
| 16:46:20 | warmi | some of them keep 2 buffers .. one for copy and paste by menu and another for highlighted copy ... weird crap |
| 16:46:42 | mark | yeh, kde does that in the version I have. i hate it |
| 16:47:00 | warmi | "Hilfe" hehe |
| 16:47:30 | sig | well I'm out |
| 16:47:31 | sig | I'll bbl |
| 16:47:34 | sig | cya guys |
| 16:47:40 | warmi | bye sig |
| 16:47:42 | kergoth`work | hmm should i reorder the inspiron 8200 w/ ultra xga screen, or the lighter inspiriosn 4150 with stock xga screen.. its like 6.5lbs instead of 7.5.. |
| 16:47:51 | warmi | mark: what's freedesktop ? |
| 16:48:26 | warmi | Harlekin: man .. these desktop icons on that KDE screenshot look mighty fine |
| 16:48:35 | mark | warmi: The X Desktop Group is a free software project to work on interoperability and shared technology among desktop environments for the X Window System. |
| 16:48:37 | Harlekin | warmi: -) |
| 16:49:10 | warmi | mark: oh so we gonna have yet another way to copy/paste :-) |
| 16:50:07 | warmi | Harlekin: seriously .. is this set of icons part of default KDE 3.1 installation ? |
| 16:50:17 | warmi | I really like them |
| 16:50:23 | Harlekin | warmi: crystal |
| 16:50:31 | Harlekin | warmi: get them on kde-look.org |
| 16:50:44 | mark | they are nice |
| 16:50:46 | Harlekin | warmi: the guy who does them, is dooing the kde3.1 icons too |
| 16:50:51 | Harlekin | warmi: which will be simular |
| 16:50:54 | Harlekin | warmi: but svg |
| 16:51:01 | warmi | Harlekin: thanks .. very nice indeed |
| 16:51:53 | VerxHome | warmi: did the toolbars for vs come with qt designer non commercial, or were they seperate downloads/installs? |
| 16:52:26 | warmi | VerxHome: they come with the package but I think you need to explicitly install/enable this stuff |
| 16:52:41 | warmi | there should be a README.txt file or something like that explaining what you should do |
| 16:52:41 | VerxHome | hrm, I did the custom install and told it to install everything |
| 16:53:00 | warmi | VerxHome: you need to enable certain options within VC IDE itself |
| 16:53:06 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:53:08 | warmi | I don't remember what was that though |
| 16:53:19 | warmi | Neo|Work: morning .. |
| 16:53:41 | warmi | Neo|Work: I have a question for you .. |
| 16:53:46 | warmi | Neo|Work: are you around ? |
| 16:55:05 | VerxHome | got it |
| 16:55:07 | VerxHome | coolio |
| 16:55:40 | Neo|Work | warmi: I am |
| 16:55:47 | Neo|Work | just checking some work email etc |
| 16:57:48 | warmi | Neo|Work: kergoth said you were complaining about qte jpeg support being crappy |
| 16:58:07 | Neo|Work | actually it is not |
| 16:58:08 | warmi | I am having problems loading 1280x1024 jpg image using QPixmap.load(..) |
| 16:58:23 | Neo|Work | what was crappy was QImage::convertDepth |
| 16:58:39 | warmi | it basically kill entire app with "out of memory" msg despite the fact that there is 10 MB heap mem available |
| 16:58:47 | Neo|Work | and it's possible QPixmap does depth conversion perhaps? Does QImage::load have issues to? |
| 16:59:15 | warmi | well, so there you go .. QPixmap.load("asda") must be doing some internal crap because it dies right in that call on 5000D when trying to load 1280x1024x32 image |
| 16:59:18 | Neo|Work | the unencoded image would use some 5.2 MB... |
| 16:59:31 | warmi | still, it has 10 MB free mem to work with |
| 16:59:45 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: Do you know if the kernel config on the zaurus is the same as the config file the source comes with? I'm trying to compile a driver that needs to see the kernel source tree |
| 16:59:46 | warmi | it must be doing some extremely inneficient memory managment inside that call |
| 16:59:52 | Neo|Work | warmi: try QImage.load |
| 16:59:55 | Neo|Work | and see how that works |
| 16:59:56 | warmi | I will |
| 17:00:01 | mark | Neo|Work: how is stuff going with japanese stuff? |
| 17:00:02 | warmi | that's my next step |
| 17:00:13 | warmi | just wanted to know what was your problem with jpeg stuff |
| 17:00:40 | Neo|Work | mark: Well, I haven't done anything yet because even for product desc localization they charge 15% more commission and has some 2 year exclusive deal |
| 17:00:52 | Neo|Work | so they say it's free when it really isn't |
| 17:01:20 | mark | i didn't understand the 2 year exclusive deal at all. so it means i cant sell elsewhere apart from handango? |
| 17:01:28 | warmi | Neo|Work: I think it would be wise to wait till A300 and related models become more widespread in Japan .. |
| 17:01:30 | Neo|Work | my problem was actually that when I converted 32 -> 16 bpp using QImage.convertDepth it was helluva slow |
| 17:01:35 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:01:44 | Neo|Work | so I wrote custom conversion routines which are blacing fast |
| 17:01:46 | mark | warmi: do you know how its doing? |
| 17:01:48 | Neo|Work | in comparision |
| 17:01:51 | warmi | Neo|Work: oh yeah .. that one is slow like hell |
| 17:02:17 | Neo|Work | as an example: In RocketElite, loading a couple of 750x750 (or so) images went from, I'm guessing, over a minute to a a second or two |
| 17:02:17 | warmi | NeoTron: and it has nothing to do with jpeg |
| 17:02:23 | Neo|Work | righty |
| 17:02:29 | Neo|Work | the PNG was slow too |
| 17:02:30 | warmi | same thing happens with png or whatever you are using |
| 17:03:04 | VerxHome | what size do you make dialogs on the Z? |
| 17:03:05 | warmi | uh .. why did they even bother with saving 32 bpp images ? |
| 17:03:07 | Neo|Work | although I'm guessing 8bit->16bit isn't as slow as 32 bit -> 16 bit |
| 17:03:09 | VerxHome | 240x300 or some such? |
| 17:03:13 | Neo|Work | which might be why I thought it was so slow |
| 17:03:38 | warmi | VerxHome: yeah .. but there is other stuff you have to account for .. let me check |
| 17:03:44 | Neo|Work | warmi: what do you mean "why even bother" ? |
| 17:04:28 | warmi | Neo|Work: I mean since PPC uses 16 bpp why bother with installing 32 bpp images in the first place .. |
| 17:04:40 | warmi | you said you did 32 > 16 conversion after loading the image |
| 17:04:44 | warmi | VerxHome: 240,302 |
| 17:04:44 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: arch/arm/def-configs/sl5500 or sl5000 iirc |
| 17:04:54 | VerxHome | thanks warmi |
| 17:04:57 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: cp that to .config; run make oldconfig; make dep; make clean. then build your module |
| 17:05:10 | warmi | this is the the size you need to be using ... this acounts for Qtopia toolbar, caption bar etc |
| 17:05:14 | Neo|Work | warmi: because 32 bpp images have an alpha channel? because JPEG's only support 32 bpp (well, 24 bpp actually but the idea is the same)? |
| 17:05:20 | VerxHome | cool |
| 17:05:25 | VerxHome | so my guess wasn't far off |
| 17:05:26 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:05:34 | Neo|Work | because the only alternatives are 8 bpp or 32 bpp, where 8 bpp might look crappy as hell? |
| 17:05:36 | warmi | Neo|Work: right .. I forgot that it was jpeg |
| 17:05:46 | warmi | never mind then |
| 17:06:03 | Neo|Work | the only 16 bpp image format I know if is targa but so far I have yet to find a Linux tool that can save 16 bpp targa |
| 17:06:25 | warmi | Neo|Work: do you think 32 bpp jpeg , on average, will still end up being smaller in size than 16 bpp png ? |
| 17:06:30 | Neo|Work | gzipped 16 bpp targa is otherwise a rather good format - you don't save heck of a lot with 8 bpp PNG over 16 bpp targa actually |
| 17:06:43 | warmi | I thought png supported 16 bpp ? |
| 17:07:03 | Neo|Work | possibly but I never used it and never seen a tool that uses it. lemme dig |
| 17:07:51 | oGMo | mmm, targa... i haven't seen that since i used to dink with povray ;) |
| 17:08:22 | warmi | targa - hehe I use it all the time with TrueSpace |
| 17:08:48 | warmi | targe loader/parser woudn't be hard to write |
| 17:09:01 | oGMo | yeah it's a nice and easy format |
| 17:09:24 | Neo|Work | from what I can see there is no such thing as 16 bpp PNG, only palette, grayscale and 24+8 bpp |
| 17:09:40 | Neo|Work | I'm thinking of making my own custom format |
| 17:09:57 | Neo|Work | using 16 bpp gfx (i.e native format) and perhaps 4 bpp alpha |
| 17:10:19 | warmi | Neo|Work: use targa |
| 17:10:23 | Neo|Work | nah |
| 17:10:25 | Neo|Work | no alpha |
| 17:10:31 | Neo|Work | well, no 16 + 4 alpha |
| 17:10:39 | Neo|Work | only 16, 15+1 or 24+8 |
| 17:11:00 | Neo|Work | and as I said I have yet not found any tools that can handle other than 8 bit and 24/32 bit targa on Unix |
| 17:11:05 | warmi | Neo|Work: do your games actually use alpha for more than just indicating which pixel is to be transparent and which now |
| 17:11:11 | warmi | not even |
| 17:11:32 | Neo|Work | Eligo uses true alpha (other than for animations, when I use masked blitting for speed) |
| 17:11:56 | Neo|Work | and in my Tetris^H^H^H^H^H^HBlockdropping game I plan to use alpha for various things |
| 17:12:17 | warmi | yeah, it is usefull for some images ( like a icons and stuff) |
| 17:12:22 | oGMo | alpha is good ;) |
| 17:12:32 | warmi | but for the bulk of the graphics alpha byte contains either 255 or 0 |
| 17:12:37 | Neo|Work | and Candy Cruncher looks A LOT better with alpha |
| 17:12:39 | oGMo | plus, who worries about file format loading anymore when there are a million and one libraries to abstract it all |
| 17:12:40 | Neo|Work | etc |
| 17:12:51 | warmi | which can easily be handled by designating one RGB value as transparent :-) |
| 17:13:05 | Neo|Work | that's what CC used before yes |
| 17:13:27 | Neo|Work | but alpha is both nicer and easier to create in a gfx program and get it to look good with the background |
| 17:13:32 | warmi | Neo|Work: for CC yeah ... blit with alpha looks much better |
| 17:14:12 | warmi | actually, qte drawing functions do use alpha |
| 17:14:23 | warmi | for more than just creating a mask |
| 17:14:43 | warmi | desktop qt on the other hand ignores that info ( uses only 255,0 ) |
| 17:15:16 | Neo|Work | I know qte uses alpha. my icons generally use it and look great because of it :) |
| 17:15:46 | George|Coding | hi Neo |
| 17:15:51 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. I did not realize that at first , since I was doing my coding on Windows Qt desktop edition |
| 17:15:58 | Neo|Work | George|Coding: hey |
| 17:17:10 | warmi | Neo|Work: in qt , you can even access QPixmap char* data without first transfering it to QImage .. |
| 17:17:22 | treke | warmi: Does qte and qvfb not compile on Windows? |
| 17:17:31 | Neo|Work | I'm guessing the difference is that in qte the pixmaps are rotated or something |
| 17:17:42 | warmi | basically you use QPainter to draw on your own "internal" framebuffer |
| 17:17:46 | Neo|Work | rotated, converted to 16 bpp and such even perhap |
| 17:17:46 | Neo|Work | s |
| 17:18:00 | warmi | treke|home: I haven't tried |
| 17:18:17 | warmi | treke|home: I am sure qvfb would not compile "out of the box" since it is X specific |
| 17:18:23 | Neo|Work | and btw, I do know how qte works because Eligo uses Qte drawing exclusively |
| 17:18:51 | warmi | NeoWork: this stuff is undocumented .. |
| 17:19:00 | treke | ah. I've never poked around qvfb |
| 17:19:03 | warmi | I mean .. there is no official way to get QPixmap::bits |
| 17:19:12 | warmi | as it is qith QImage |
| 17:19:14 | warmi | with |
| 17:19:21 | Neo|Work | right |
| 17:19:33 | Neo|Work | you can't do that with QPixmap... |
| 17:19:52 | warmi | well, you can in qte :-) |
| 17:20:17 | warmi | just not officially which most likely means, stuff that uses this approach will stop working in the future |
| 17:21:13 | warmi | actually, that is very usefull for it allows people to use the power of QPainter methods to draw on their own internal memory buffers |
| 17:22:37 | Neo|Work | so what format is the qpixmap bits in then? |
| 17:22:45 | Neo|Work | is it not rotated or something? |
| 17:22:52 | warmi | QGfx* gfx = QGfx::createGfx( 16, (uchar*)src, sw, sh, sw*2 ); |
| 17:22:52 | Neo|Work | if it is not, why is qpixmap so much faster than QImage? |
| 17:23:02 | warmi | #include <qgfx_qws.h> |
| 17:23:17 | warmi | and you can use gfx like a QPainter .. |
| 17:23:26 | warmi | like gfx->drawText() |
| 17:23:28 | warmi | etc |
| 17:23:58 | Neo|Work | so, drawing a QGfx is faster than drawing a QImage/ |
| 17:24:12 | Neo|Work | because drawing a (full screen) QImage takes some 80 ms |
| 17:24:22 | warmi | you cannot do stuff like QPainter( QImage ) |
| 17:24:58 | warmi | this approach is only usefull for drawing text , polygons etc .. without having to convert your internal image buffer to QPixmap first |
| 17:25:03 | Neo|Work | you can draw an image yes |
| 17:25:13 | Neo|Work | QPainter.drawImage(QImage) |
| 17:25:18 | VerxHome | cool |
| 17:25:23 | VerxHome | designer is pretty easy actually |
| 17:25:27 | warmi | yeah.. but you cannot do this .. QPainter p(QImage) |
| 17:25:32 | Neo|Work | I know |
| 17:25:32 | warmi | and then do p.drawText() |
| 17:25:32 | VerxHome | has been designing forms with code up until now |
| 17:25:40 | Neo|Work | but that's no the issue I'm concerned about |
| 17:25:42 | warmi | and QGfx allows for that |
| 17:25:52 | Neo|Work | I'm concerned about drawing an internal buffer to the screen |
| 17:26:00 | warmi | yeah, that's different |
| 17:26:08 | Neo|Work | not that I'm really concerned now since I use QDirectPainter and my own routines |
| 17:26:08 | kergoth | cant decide whether to get the dell inspiron 8200 or the 4150.. grr |
| 17:26:22 | warmi | I was just looking for a way to use power of QPainter ( especially its text functions) |
| 17:26:31 | Neo|Work | but drawing a QImage is 80 ms compared to 7-8 ms with QDirectPainter drawing |
| 17:26:51 | warmi | and use that on my own internal images without having to convert it ti QImage -> QPixmap -> draw ->Qimage ->my memory buffer |
| 17:26:59 | noidd | Huzzah! |
| 17:27:01 | noidd | :-) |
| 17:27:17 | Neo|Work | so you still blit the internal memory buffer using custom blitting then? |
| 17:27:22 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:27:28 | Neo|Work | and yes, I can see the benefit of the above |
| 17:27:37 | warmi | but I still want to use QPainter text functions to draw on my own iternal buffer |
| 17:27:48 | warmi | sometimes it comes handy |
| 17:28:18 | warmi | I saw climov use this technique in his aplha clock |
| 17:28:30 | noidd | has found an acceptable use of his sandisk 256M sd card :-) |
| 17:28:32 | CmdrChalupa | has anyone had any experience with compiling a newer linux kernel for the zaurus and using that binary sd module? |
| 17:28:37 | warmi | very cool and if you check qte source code .. it makes sense |
| 17:28:46 | noidd | its "cheating" - but my Zaurus can now read and write to it without any problems |
| 17:29:04 | treke | CmdrChalupa: If you wait a while, OZ is going to be updating the kernel with sd support |
| 17:29:11 | Speedy2 | re |
| 17:29:16 | gres | if i registered two application in sharp's developer challenge and both are confirmed... will I receive 2 PDA? |
| 17:29:29 | CmdrChalupa | really? |
| 17:29:33 | treke | CmdrChalupa: yes |
| 17:29:37 | noidd | cool gres, gratz :-) |
| 17:29:40 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: we wont use the same binary, we'll have a new binary for that kernel ver |
| 17:29:41 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 17:30:09 | CmdrChalupa | i'm hoping to get the latest wireless extensions on this bad boy |
| 17:30:13 | treke | curses SD |
| 17:30:15 | noidd | if grumble i grumble can grumble get this grumble qt.pm grumble to grumble compile grumbple i'll shove somme in too |
| 17:30:22 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Did you get? |
| 17:30:25 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: well I'm porting to 2.5.26-rmk1 right now, then i'm backporting to 2.4.19 |
| 17:30:28 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Or, you're at work? hrm. |
| 17:30:30 | kergoth | Speedy2: who knows, i'm still at work |
| 17:30:31 | kergoth | yeh |
| 17:30:42 | Speedy2 | damn |
| 17:31:01 | noidd | anyone here used gentoo? |
| 17:31:05 | noidd | linux distribution? |
| 17:31:25 | ljp_ | linux? whats that? |
| 17:32:58 | noidd | hmm, a pondering question of that there is no doubt |
| 17:33:02 | ljp_ | I use gentoo windows |
| 17:33:07 | ljp_ | heh |
| 17:33:29 | ljp_ | I think a few people here from time to time use gentoo |
| 17:33:59 | oGMo | gentoo windows? hah |
| 17:34:11 | oGMo | i'd use it if it were epkg-based |
| 17:35:01 | warmi | epkg ? is that gentoo default packaging system / |
| 17:35:04 | ljp_ | I'd use gentoo if I didnt have to compile the whole damn thing. I have too much stuff to compile myself |
| 17:35:54 | noidd | it is rather stunning |
| 17:36:18 | warmi | uh .. gentoo fratures "social contract" just like Debian does .. that can't be good |
| 17:36:24 | warmi | features even |
| 17:36:46 | noidd | ah, you just ignore that :-) |
| 17:37:18 | warmi | it uses "ebuild " system |
| 17:37:35 | warmi | sounds like Free-BSD kind of thingy |
| 17:37:55 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: There is a way I can use the OZ kernel with the default Z install, right? I know it would require me to mess with the rom a little |
| 17:38:23 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: OZ kernel = stock 2.4.6 embedix kernel + some patches + altered config |
| 17:38:58 | oGMo | anyone been brave enough to compile a 2.4.18 or 19pre? |
| 17:39:12 | oGMo | for the Z, of course |
| 17:39:20 | warmi | hehe .. package managers on Linux seem to be following Widget toolkits state of incredible fragmentation .. everyone uses its own version |
| 17:39:38 | sjohnson | oGMo: kergoth is even most brave. He's going for 2.5 |
| 17:39:48 | noidd | oooh |
| 17:39:54 | oGMo | i want the new VM, the memory problems people have complained about are definitely similar to the problems with the old vm |
| 17:39:56 | CmdrChalupa | altered config how? |
| 17:40:00 | oGMo | sjohnson: fear :) |
| 17:40:00 | kergoth | oGMo: I'm on that project. |
| 17:40:07 | prpplague | noidd: ya he was pulling his hair out with mtd problems the other night |
| 17:40:14 | oGMo | kergoth: cool |
| 17:40:17 | kergoth | ugh yeah dont remind me |
| 17:40:21 | kergoth | flash is STUCK read only |
| 17:40:22 | kergoth | !! |
| 17:40:23 | sjohnson | kergoth: How goes the new OZ rom? Beat that r/w problem yet? |
| 17:40:36 | sjohnson | guesses no. |
| 17:40:44 | kergoth | sjohnson: nah.. i may push this aside for a bit and finish merging the keymaps and audio drivers, then come back to it later |
| 17:40:50 | oGMo | r/w problem? |
| 17:40:54 | kergoth | sjohnson: though this will keep me from being able to test those.. thats alright though |
| 17:40:59 | kergoth | oGMo: yeh, flash wont work read/write |
| 17:41:04 | kergoth | oGMo: in 2.5.26-rmk1-cl1 |
| 17:41:09 | oGMo | kergoth: ahh |
| 17:41:10 | kergoth | oGMo: for some strange reason |
| 17:41:21 | sjohnson | oGMo: Count remount root as r/w |
| 17:41:31 | sjohnson | er Can't... |
| 17:41:35 | oGMo | yeah |
| 17:41:56 | oGMo | odd... it's a bit insane going to 2.5 though, any particular reason? |
| 17:42:19 | kergoth | oGMo: so that i dont waste my time taking the code in a certain direction, and then find out the maintainers were taking it in a completely different one. |
| 17:42:42 | kergoth | oGMo: in porting to 2.5 i find out the direction they're taking things, then i dont waste time or effort, plus then i'll push it upstream into the official arm tree |
| 17:42:46 | oGMo | hmm... the software-suspend dealy would rock my socks though, stick in a big CF card and suspend. Then you don't need any battery... ;) |
| 17:42:56 | oGMo | kergoth: ahh |
| 17:43:05 | whardier | bah bah bah bah bah |
| 17:43:08 | whardier | I have a headache |
| 17:43:25 | kergoth | oGMo: the backport to 2.4.19 will be easy |
| 17:43:54 | oGMo | kergoth: is it fairly involved to build a kernel for the Z, or is it mostly stock? |
| 17:44:17 | kergoth | oGMo: well, its 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix.. so rmk1, np2, and embedix patches |
| 17:44:27 | oGMo | hrm |
| 17:44:32 | sjohnson | oGMo: No big deal. The kernel source is built for easy native or cross compiling. |
| 17:44:32 | Rascal | if you have a bluetooth enabled phone can you use a bluetooth card to connect to the internet? |
| 17:44:35 | oGMo | guess i'd have to check those out |
| 17:44:58 | sjohnson | Rascal: Yes. You'd use rfcomm. |
| 17:45:01 | kergoth | oGMo: np being nicholas pitre, rmk being russell king, embedix patch is frmo lineo and is on the sharp dev site |
| 17:45:03 | oGMo | sjohnson: yeah... just wondering if you _need_ to patch it left of tomorrow, or it works fine stock ;) |
| 17:45:24 | oGMo | kergoth: k |
| 17:45:30 | kergoth | oGMo: course OZ patches it left and right past that for various things |
| 17:45:53 | Speedy2 | *easy* native or cross-compiling? Hah! |
| 17:45:57 | kergoth | oGMo: i.e. the small console font, newer orinoco drivers, the spectrum drivers, the hostap prism2 drivers, a fix here and there, bzflag's mtd changes |
| 17:45:59 | oGMo | kergoth: ahh |
| 17:46:01 | sjohnson | oGMo: PDA are specialized beasts. Custom drivers for everytthing. |
| 17:46:31 | kergoth | Speedy2: hehe. its not THAT painful... :-) |
| 17:46:47 | kergoth | Speedy2: I'm thinking I may reorder my laptop. finally got the credit |
| 17:46:55 | oGMo | sjohnson: hrm... you'd think they'd just stick fairly stock controlling hardware in there, guess not |
| 17:47:09 | oGMo | now that i think about it it doesn't have a usb host, so the CF and SD must not be USB |
| 17:47:13 | Speedy2 | Speedy2: Excellent! |
| 17:47:15 | sjohnson | oGMo: No. The embedded world is totally different. |
| 17:47:19 | kergoth | oGMo: cf is pcmcia |
| 17:47:28 | oGMo | Speedy2: i've cross-compiled for my pocket calculator, it's not that hard ;) |
| 17:47:40 | kergoth | Speedy2 talking to yourself again? :-) |
| 17:47:47 | oGMo | kergoth: ah |
| 17:47:50 | ljp_ | I'm an operator with my pocket calculator |
| 17:48:00 | kergoth | ljp_: are not |
| 17:48:06 | ljp_ | heheh yep |
| 17:48:12 | ljp_ | thats what the song said |
| 17:48:16 | sjohnson | Speedy2: It depends on the software package. Some are easier then others. pppd is a PITA to x-compile. |
| 17:48:30 | CmdrChalupa | don't want opie....just want to compile the latest hostap_cs and use sd....I take it that will take planning....ok....which device is the flash..../dev/mtdblock1 ? |
| 17:48:31 | whardier | chills to the fat ryhmes of Invader Zim |
| 17:48:35 | kergoth | sjohnson: openssh was a pain in the ass.damn autoconf |
| 17:48:51 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: which device is flash depends on which mtd driver you use |
| 17:48:55 | ljp_ | ever notice how whardier and hardwire are NEVER here at the same time?! ;) |
| 17:48:57 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: sharp rom, its mtdblock0 |
| 17:48:59 | CmdrChalupa | ok |
| 17:49:05 | CmdrChalupa | yeah, I'm using sharp rom |
| 17:49:11 | CmdrChalupa | and the kernel is on the sharp rom, isn't it |
| 17:49:34 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: yes, but you're building a new one, right |
| 17:49:38 | kergoth | whardierhardwire: nice nick |
| 17:49:50 | whardierhardwire | danke |
| 17:50:03 | whardier | say that out loud |
| 17:50:05 | whardier | you yodel |
| 17:50:10 | noidd | Kergoth! Laptop :-) |
| 17:50:32 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: yeah, I want to build a new one, and keep as much of the sharp rom the same as possible |
| 17:50:44 | CmdrChalupa | hopefully including the non-writeable flash |
| 17:50:46 | kergoth | noidd: convince me to buy the 8200, i was wavering and considering the 4150 as its a pound lighter |
| 17:51:02 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: yeah, then use the sl5500 or 5000 config file, that'll use the sharp mtd driver |
| 17:51:04 | noidd | oh, fwiw.. I have my sd card working on my linux laptop now using the sd card |
| 17:51:05 | VerxHome | anyone here real familiar with Qt Designer? Or do most of you do your design work in raw code? |
| 17:51:31 | noidd | Kergoth: I dont know much about the 4150... but the 8200 is incredible. |
| 17:51:38 | oGMo | VerxHome: i've used it once or twice, i'd definitely use it again |
| 17:51:39 | ljp_ | I do a bit with designer, but then ditch ther ui files |
| 17:51:42 | kergoth | VerxHome: i use it to help me visualize what i'm doing, then i generate the code and ditch the .ui and customize |
| 17:51:43 | kergoth | yeh |
| 17:51:45 | noidd | Kergoth: the 8200 is not something you carry... |
| 17:51:55 | kergoth | noidd: hehe. its a beast :-) |
| 17:51:58 | noidd | Kergoth: its a portable desktop replacement :-) |
| 17:52:01 | kergoth | yeh |
| 17:52:01 | VerxHome | kergoth: That is what I am thinking I am likely to do |
| 17:52:08 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: and we'll see if I can get the sd stuff to work :) and I should use the oz kernel source with the sl5500 config file? |
| 17:52:16 | warmi | VerxHome: yeah .. I use it as a prototyping tool .. but most of the time I end up doing layouts by hand |
| 17:52:18 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: you're using the sharp kernel suorce |
| 17:52:20 | noidd | Kergoth: and the display is the most incredible thing you will see. |
| 17:52:25 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: oz is sharp kernel source + some patches |
| 17:52:28 | VerxHome | warmi: Hrm |
| 17:52:39 | kergoth | noidd: uxga or ultrasharp xga? |
| 17:52:42 | VerxHome | well, I am trying to get some buttons to be stacked next to each other horizontally |
| 17:52:43 | kergoth | noidd: damn naming conventions |
| 17:52:49 | VerxHome | it seems to be fighting me |
| 17:52:49 | noidd | kergoth: add to that... the 2 drive bays (DVD) and CD/RW :-) at the same time(!) |
| 17:52:53 | CmdrChalupa | noidd: how'd you get an sd driver on your laptop? |
| 17:53:08 | noidd | Cmd: There is no such thing. |
| 17:53:20 | warmi | VerxHome: it is mostly cause I don't really know that tool well .. :-) |
| 17:53:30 | noidd | Cmd: SD card to pcmcia converter. Two beeps from cardmgr and hde is online :-) |
| 17:53:52 | warmi | VerxHome: if you are willing to invest the time to learn it .. I am sure it will come handy |
| 17:53:58 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 17:54:01 | VerxHome | I have a month |
| 17:54:02 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:54:11 | warmi | VerxHome: I personally have no problem coding QLyaouts by hand so I am happy with that |
| 17:54:11 | VerxHome | general Qt question tho |
| 17:54:16 | noidd | kergoth : I don't recognise those names... |
| 17:54:18 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: ahh...so I can just add that wireless tools patch :) |
| 17:54:25 | noidd | kergoth: I got 15" 1600x1200 :-D |
| 17:54:30 | VerxHome | on the Palm, you generally make every dialog you will ever show the user |
| 17:54:48 | noidd | at least I think its 15"... I'm a bloke so measuring in inches is an approximate art :-) |
| 17:54:49 | kergoth | noidd: they have 3 levels of display on the unit. first is 15" 1400xsomethingorother (sxga+), the next two are both 1600x1200 15" |
| 17:54:53 | VerxHome | for instance, you don't generally go and dynamically create/destroy or show/hide widgets on a given dialog |
| 17:54:58 | VerxHome | what is typical on Qt? |
| 17:54:59 | warmi | VerxHome: you can do it both ways on qt |
| 17:55:08 | VerxHome | if I am going to have 2 dialogs that are very similar |
| 17:55:12 | noidd | kergoth: one of those is new then |
| 17:55:15 | kergoth | noidd; their highest one is the ultrasharp, its quite a bit more expensive, but increases the viewing angle and shit in addition to just the upped rez |
| 17:55:16 | VerxHome | can I just dynamically add/remove widgets? |
| 17:55:22 | VerxHome | or is that considered bad form? |
| 17:55:25 | noidd | kergoth: there was only one 1600x1200 when i ordered |
| 17:55:26 | warmi | VerxHome: of course you can |
| 17:55:32 | VerxHome | ok |
| 17:55:38 | warmi | but , if it is easier to jsut create two dialogs then why bother |
| 17:55:39 | VerxHome | that makes code much tighter |
| 17:55:40 | VerxHome | cool |
| 17:55:55 | kergoth | noidd: ah, wonder if ultrasharp was added recently. there appears to be marketing hype around it |
| 17:55:56 | kergoth | noidd: hehe |
| 17:55:58 | warmi | the different as far as memory consumption will be minimal |
| 17:56:04 | warmi | difference, that is |
| 17:56:07 | Neo|Work | has great ideas for his planned Eon Config program |
| 17:56:13 | George|Coding | What's the uppermost layer of the Zaurus's screen made of? |
| 17:56:13 | VerxHome | what about a toolbar, is that a reasonable thing to have Qt handle for me? |
| 17:56:18 | George|Coding | Is it glass? |
| 17:56:18 | VerxHome | or should I do that kindof thing myself? |
| 17:56:26 | kergoth | Neo|Work: just make them install opie-confedit :-P |
| 17:56:36 | treke | VerxHome: a toolbar? just use QtoolBar |
| 17:56:41 | VerxHome | man |
| 17:56:44 | VerxHome | I am gonna love Qt |
| 17:56:46 | noidd | sounds like it |
| 17:56:46 | George|Coding | kergoth: Or make you include it with OZ =P |
| 17:56:49 | VerxHome | stomps on his palm |
| 17:56:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: qt makes life easy :-) |
| 17:56:54 | Neo|Work | flags I thought of so far: grabbing keys, screenshot file format, gamma correction level, keys for strategic assault... :) |
| 17:56:58 | Neo|Work | kergoth: uh. no. :) |
| 17:57:08 | George|Coding | VerxHome: heh, qt makes you forget C/C++, it's so simple |
| 17:57:10 | oGMo | VerxHome: Qt is sooooooooooo much nicer than the palm... so's linux ;) have fun, i certainly am |
| 17:57:15 | warmi | VerxHome: use Qt toolbar |
| 17:57:20 | Neo|Work | kergoth: it's going to find installed games and have custom config pages for each game |
| 17:57:21 | noidd | hmm, that would be your call I guess kergoth, the 1600x1200 I have I descibe as the best LCD i've ever seen. If the new one is better....... |
| 17:57:22 | kergoth | Neo|Work: but opie-confedit is so nifty. lets you change settings from .conf files for all of qtopia/opie |
| 17:57:26 | warmi | in fact, use QPEToolbat which is Qtopia specific .. |
| 17:57:28 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ah |
| 17:57:34 | VerxHome | oGMo: I can't imagine I won't actually need C/C++ |
| 17:57:39 | treke | warmi: Whats different with QPEToolBar? |
| 17:57:41 | Neo|Work | kergoth: except how does it know what flags I have and what their limits etc are? |
| 17:57:52 | VerxHome | but yes, Qt is looking ever so nice |
| 17:57:52 | noidd | wants to write evilmail[tm] for the Zaurus |
| 17:57:58 | warmi | nothing .. it handles keys Zaurus friendly way |
| 17:57:59 | oGMo | VerxHome: well you'll certainly need C++ if you want to write Qt |
| 17:58:03 | Neo|Work | plus, it will also have help for all the flags (at least the big fat warning on the grab keys option) |
| 17:58:05 | oGMo | VerxHome: it's just a hell of a lot nicer ;) |
| 17:58:06 | kergoth | Neo|Work: well obviously it cant see options that dont exist in the conf file. so you just make your app write out the settings, even if they're just default. |
| 17:58:18 | warmi | you can basically replace QToolbar with QPEToolbar later on |
| 17:58:36 | Neo|Work | since the config file doesn't define what the variable is (i.e int, string, limits etc) it's not that useful really |
| 17:58:56 | kergoth | noidd: hehe. 4150 is smaller, 1lb lighter, and only has a 14" display |
| 17:59:01 | treke | warmi: ah. so just a more z friendly implementation |
| 17:59:02 | kergoth | noidd: at the same cost! |
| 17:59:08 | George|Coding | How does Qtopia/Qt compare to PPC 2k2? |
| 17:59:10 | noidd | kergoth: display? |
| 17:59:15 | George|Coding | (just out of wonder) |
| 17:59:23 | oGMo | George|Coding: how does ppc 2k2 compare to win32? |
| 17:59:25 | kergoth | noidd: i'm torn. display is 14" 1400xblah or 1600x1200 |
| 17:59:28 | warmi | treke|home: yeah |
| 17:59:36 | noidd | 1600x1200 - there - descision made :-) |
| 17:59:36 | George|Coding | oGMo: I dunno, I don't have PPC 2k2 |
| 17:59:43 | oGMo | oh |
| 17:59:43 | noidd | it has to be an 8200 now |
| 17:59:46 | oGMo | well bah :) |
| 17:59:47 | George|Coding | kergoth: 1400x1050 |
| 17:59:51 | Neo|Work | plus I might want to have a nicer UI more geared to what the settings are, like a slider for gamma perhaps |
| 17:59:53 | warmi | VerxHome: http://www.warmi.net/httpd/html/qtopia/qpetoolbar.html |
| 18:00:00 | noidd | esp since you just sent one back which was 1400x1050 |
| 18:00:02 | treke | warmi: that makes sense. I Tried both and couldnt tell a difference on an ipaq |
| 18:00:09 | George|Coding | oGMo: I only have Psions :) |
| 18:00:16 | treke | noidd: Smaller and lighter is awfully tempting |
| 18:00:22 | oGMo | George|Coding: heh i know someone who has a psion ;) and a newton... |
| 18:00:31 | noidd | 1600x1200 > all :-) |
| 18:00:41 | George|Coding | oGMo: haha |
| 18:00:45 | George|Coding | oGMo: Psions rocks |
| 18:00:51 | kergoth | noidd: yeah .. but i'm torn... 1lb lighter would make it a lot more portable.. |
| 18:00:55 | kergoth | growls |
| 18:00:58 | kergoth | isnt good at decisions |
| 18:01:05 | George|Coding | kergoth: got your Dell Inspiron, I take it? :) |
| 18:01:09 | George|Coding | aka - the brick :) |
| 18:01:13 | Speedy2 | kergoth: What's the choice? 1lb vs big screen? |
| 18:01:17 | kergoth | George|Coding: nah i returned it to get the better screen |
| 18:01:30 | George|Coding | kergoth: cool |
| 18:01:36 | George|Coding | Speedy2: You can have both! |
| 18:01:36 | kergoth | Speedy2: yes. 8200 vs 4150. same speed processor, same ram, etc.. just 1lb vs screen. |
| 18:01:52 | kergoth | George|Coding: both (light & nice display) is a bi tout of my price range, i'd think ;-) |
| 18:01:52 | George|Coding | Speedy2: lol |
| 18:01:59 | oGMo | kergoth: why not a fujitsu p2k or one along that line? |
| 18:02:01 | George|Coding | kergoth: hehe |
| 18:02:07 | George|Coding | kergoth: Make OZ commercial! |
| 18:02:09 | kergoth | oGMo: havent looked at that line yet |
| 18:02:13 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Get the screen. Realestate is worth it! |
| 18:02:18 | George|Coding | kergoth: hehe, $2 for 10 seconds support :) |
| 18:02:21 | oGMo | hang on, i'll get you a link |
| 18:02:24 | noidd | kergoth: what about bays on the 4150? |
| 18:02:30 | kergoth | noidd: not sure on that |
| 18:02:39 | kergoth | Speedy2: good point |
| 18:02:42 | noidd | the extra weight will be on that - notthe screen |
| 18:02:46 | VerxHome | tries to tell this frigging tab widget to have more than 2 frigging tabs |
| 18:03:01 | treke | VerxHome: AddTab() |
| 18:03:07 | ljp_ | haha |
| 18:03:18 | George|Coding | kergoth: Get a 286 Amstrad! They have VERY large screens |
| 18:03:23 | VerxHome | treke: In Qt Designer is where I am trying to do it |
| 18:03:23 | George|Coding | kergoth: low res, though *g* |
| 18:03:25 | ljp_ | I think he's using designer |
| 18:03:31 | treke | VerxHome: right click and choose add tab |
| 18:03:44 | noidd | kergoth: 1600x1200 = 9 xterms on one screen. |
| 18:03:45 | kergoth | oGMo: eh, fujitsu doesnt have jack on their site for their notebooks.. wtf |
| 18:03:52 | kergoth | noidd: hehe. tempting :-) |
| 18:03:54 | Neo|Work | George|Coding: do you mean how does it compare for development / programming or usage? |
| 18:03:56 | VerxHome | splooges himself |
| 18:03:58 | oGMo | kergoth: http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/productoverview.do?type=NB&pgid=Online%20Store |
| 18:04:08 | oGMo | kergoth: doesn't sound like you'd want the p2k |
| 18:04:14 | George|Coding | Neo|Work: What? |
| 18:04:22 | oGMo | kergoth: look at some of the other series down the line there |
| 18:04:28 | Neo|Work | <George|Coding> How does Qtopia/Qt compare to PPC 2k2? |
| 18:04:54 | oGMo | they've got like _everything_, and they're highly inexpensive |
| 18:05:07 | noidd | oGMo is so american |
| 18:05:10 | George|Coding | Neo|Work: oh |
| 18:05:12 | George|Coding | bbiab |
| 18:05:16 | treke | George|Coding: PPC 2k2 is more mature on the user side. Qtopia is going to be nicer to program for |
| 18:05:23 | oGMo | noidd: heh |
| 18:05:40 | oGMo | noidd: hey if you want to pay for less features you go right ahead ;) |
| 18:05:40 | George|Coding | hmm |
| 18:06:06 | noidd | oGMo: its the phrase "inexpensive"... its a dead give-away |
| 18:06:09 | Speedy2 | I've been told that Qtopia is a lot slower than WinCE (GUI wise) |
| 18:06:19 | noidd | oGMo: whereas i'd say "cheap" |
| 18:06:29 | George|Coding | Speedy2: It feels sluggish to me |
| 18:06:36 | George|Coding | What really pisses me off is the MP3 player |
| 18:06:53 | VerxHome | I think Qt is more sluggish than WinCE |
| 18:06:54 | George|Coding | After about 1 hour of playing MP3s, I get a "Out of memory, plz close the app" message |
| 18:07:06 | George|Coding | uh oh |
| 18:07:06 | oGMo | George|Coding: hrmmm |
| 18:07:07 | George|Coding | it's mark! :) |
| 18:07:31 | mark | yes, the mark who can't compile kde :( |
| 18:07:41 | Speedy2 | So, why doesn't someone make Qtopia unsluggish? |
| 18:07:44 | Neo|Work | I was about to say what treke said. :P |
| 18:07:48 | CmdrChalupa | where on the sharp flash is the kernel? |
| 18:08:01 | oGMo | Speedy2: you find qtopia sluggish? |
| 18:08:01 | George|Coding | mark: Don't you keep backups of older *working* kdes? |
| 18:08:14 | Speedy2 | oGMo: I've been told that it's quite sluggish and others in here agree. |
| 18:08:16 | mark | George|Coding: no |
| 18:08:23 | oGMo | Speedy2: hmm |
| 18:08:24 | mark | George|Coding: this is more f un :) |
| 18:08:48 | George|Coding | mark: idiot :) |
| 18:08:52 | kergoth | oGMo: ack, C series is same cost as the dell, just as heavy, but stuck with 1024x768 screen |
| 18:09:02 | oGMo | kergoth: oh... suckage. Well, nevermind then :) |
| 18:09:20 | kergoth | oGMo: pretty sharp looking physically though. hehe |
| 18:09:21 | oGMo | kergoth: hey, would hte preempt and lockbreak patches do anything for the Z? |
| 18:09:35 | oGMo | i'm not sure if those are x86-specific or not |
| 18:09:40 | kergoth | oGMo: depending on what you're doing with it |
| 18:09:50 | kergoth | oGMo: preempt could reduce latency for real time type stuff, i woudl think |
| 18:10:00 | oGMo | kergoth: well, if people are complaining about sluggishness, i know the preempt helps with that |
| 18:10:18 | oGMo | at least on my x86 boxes |
| 18:10:40 | kergoth | oGMo: yeah, it tends to improve latency and reponse time, though reduces thoroughput |
| 18:10:44 | cdm | The pre-empt patch will not help with realtime. |
| 18:11:02 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah |
| 18:11:07 | kergoth | cdm: i figured you'd jump in :-) |
| 18:11:10 | cdm | since it does not ensure that you won't block in the kernel - just ensures that the kernel won't block itself. |
| 18:11:35 | oGMo | by realtime i don't think he meant the formal meaning ;) |
| 18:11:38 | kergoth | cdm: makes sense. |
| 18:11:39 | George|Coding | I'm stuck on a 1152x768 res screen |
| 18:11:50 | cdm | oGMo: I work for QNX - I always mean the formal meaning. ;) |
| 18:11:54 | oGMo | cdm: hehe |
| 18:13:18 | Neo|Work | George|Coding: I can't say I find it all that sluggish, except some apps loading times |
| 18:13:41 | | CmdrChalupa: huh? |
| 18:13:41 | CmdrChalupa | ibot blocksize |
| 18:14:03 | Neo|Work | cdm: you work for / with Qnx? So when will we see QNX on the zaurus? I think QNX might be quite cool for that. :)) |
| 18:14:13 | CmdrChalupa | dd if=/dev/zero of=new.img bs=? size=16M |
| 18:14:18 | cdm | Neo|Work: work for - in R&D. |
| 18:14:20 | Neo|Work | considering how slim it is, plus I sorely miss realtime capabilities |
| 18:14:26 | Neo|Work | cool. :) |
| 18:14:30 | Speedy2 | No, because Linux is the only real embedded OS. |
| 18:14:34 | George|Coding | Neo|Work: What about the MP3 player? |
| 18:14:56 | CmdrChalupa | what's the blocksize of the zaurus rom? |
| 18:15:29 | Neo|Work | George|Coding: what about it (I don't play audio or video..) |
| 18:15:54 | George|Coding | Neo|Work: n/m |
| 18:17:11 | oGMo | CmdrChalupa: blocksize? |
| 18:17:34 | oGMo | CmdrChalupa: you mean how big is it or the size of each block? ;) |
| 18:18:19 | sjohnson | CmdrChalupa: 0x20000 |
| 18:18:21 | CmdrChalupa | oGMo: the blocksize to plug into dd |
| 18:18:36 | iang | What are you trying to do with dd here? |
| 18:18:43 | CmdrChalupa | oGMo: do you know where in the rom image the kernel is? |
| 18:19:00 | noidd | Cmdr: dd if=/dev/zero of=myfile bs=1M count=16 |
| 18:19:03 | CmdrChalupa | iang: I'm creating a blank image, that I will mkcramfs on and then put stuff onto |
| 18:19:19 | noidd | Cmdr: dd if=/dev/zero of=myfile bs=1M count=16 |
| 18:19:21 | CmdrChalupa | noidd: 1M blocks? |
| 18:19:22 | noidd | is what you want |
| 18:19:24 | CmdrChalupa | ok |
| 18:19:31 | VerxHome | needs to find someone that uses Qt Designer a lot |
| 18:19:37 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: sjohnson just told you the block size |
| 18:19:46 | noidd | Cmd: its irrelevant - as long as count * blocksize = 16 Meg |
| 18:19:59 | iang | CmdrChalupa: You realize that the whole 16M image isn't a cramfs, right? Just part of it? |
| 18:20:26 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: if you create a 16mb file and flash your Z, you WILL end up with a brick. |
| 18:20:33 | CmdrChalupa | okay |
| 18:20:40 | CmdrChalupa | ... |
| 18:20:46 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: as in,you'll be sending it back to sharp for repair. |
| 18:20:55 | CmdrChalupa | yes, I know what a brick is |
| 18:20:59 | CmdrChalupa | I've been working with ipaqs |
| 18:21:03 | oGMo | haha |
| 18:21:04 | kergoth | k, just checking |
| 18:21:15 | iang | Make sure to read http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?BuildingROMS |
| 18:21:21 | CmdrChalupa | ah! |
| 18:21:29 | CmdrChalupa | thanks you profusely |
| 18:21:29 | George|Coding | kergoth: What do you do if that happens? :) |
| 18:22:08 | noidd | kergoth: so it is possible to flash your Z so badly that it no longer responds to C+D+Master reset? |
| 18:22:12 | kergoth | George|Coding: as i said, you send it back to sahrp |
| 18:22:15 | iang | The only parts of the ROM you'll dare touch are the initrd.bin and the zImage. |
| 18:22:17 | kergoth | noidd: yes |
| 18:22:29 | noidd | eeek, scary |
| 18:22:34 | kergoth | noidd: the first part of the 16mb is the bootloader, followed by the code that does the CF flash upgrade. |
| 18:22:40 | kergoth | noidd: you corrupt that, you're screwed |
| 18:22:53 | George|Coding | kergoth: surely, you can flash the ROMIMAGE file on |
| 18:22:54 | noidd | kergoth: so you can corrupt after that at will :-) |
| 18:22:58 | George|Coding | kergoth: which'll sort it out? |
| 18:23:11 | kergoth | George|Coding: um, as i just told noidd, if you corrupt the bootloader/cf updater, you cant flash anymore. |
| 18:23:18 | George|Coding | oh right |
| 18:23:41 | sjohnson | kergoth: Unless your use JTAG, which isn't for the faint of heart. |
| 18:23:49 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The 1st 128KB is the bootloader, the next 512KB is the diagnostics |
| 18:23:54 | kergoth | sjohnson: not to mention sharp doesnt make it available |
| 18:24:21 | George|Coding | why the hell isn't the CF updator in RO rom? |
| 18:24:23 | NetAmp | http://www.sysadminday.com/ ;-) |
| 18:24:29 | kergoth | Speedy2: I know where it is, I just set up the partitioning in sa1100_flash.c for the mtd device :-) |
| 18:24:34 | George|Coding | or hard wired in |
| 18:24:45 | oGMo | they should have done what HP did with the HP49, have a small bit of ROM that's not flash for doing upgrades and stuff |
| 18:24:54 | Speedy2 | kergoth: WELL THEN! |
| 18:24:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:25:01 | sjohnson | kergoth: True. But I've got a suspicion of where the pads are. |
| 18:25:03 | Speedy2 | HP49G is a POS |
| 18:25:07 | kergoth | sjohnson: i know where they are |
| 18:25:07 | Speedy2 | A disgrace to the HP series |
| 18:25:12 | oGMo | Speedy2: er, no, it's not |
| 18:25:14 | kergoth | sjohnson: but sharp doesnt make them avail |
| 18:25:14 | Speedy2 | Emulating a TI with that DISGUSTING keyboard |
| 18:25:15 | Speedy2 | Yeah it is |
| 18:25:23 | Speedy2 | The 48GX is the last and greatest calculator |
| 18:25:24 | oGMo | it's exactly the same as the HP48GX, cept with a lot more RAM and faster software |
| 18:25:29 | Speedy2 | No it's not |
| 18:25:33 | oGMo | err, yes, it is |
| 18:25:35 | Speedy2 | It has a messed up keyboard |
| 18:25:41 | oGMo | i had a GX |
| 18:25:42 | Speedy2 | The MetaKernel in ROM |
| 18:25:44 | Speedy2 | Good for you |
| 18:25:46 | VerxHome | Speedy2: I have to agree, although personally I like the SX better than the GX. :) |
| 18:25:48 | oGMo | err, a G, a GX, and now the 49G |
| 18:25:48 | Speedy2 | I have 8 48G/GXs |
| 18:26:09 | NetAmp | 8?? |
| 18:26:10 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Really? I like the 48GX + ALG48 + Java, et |
| 18:26:11 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Really? I like the 48GX + ALG48 + Java, etc |
| 18:26:11 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:26:12 | oGMo | Speedy2: eh the metakernel crap is just for stack display, and it's quite nice at that |
| 18:26:25 | noidd | ok, i'm going to fight with X ... later guys |
| 18:26:29 | noidd | waves |
| 18:26:32 | Speedy2 | oGMo: Uhh, the Metakernel is for EVERTYHING. File manager, port browser, etc |
| 18:26:40 | Speedy2 | It's MetaKernel + Erable. |
| 18:26:51 | Speedy2 | Join #hp48 in Efnet dude |
| 18:27:16 | oGMo | Speedy2: it doesn't really change anything, all the same stuff (minus the IR and equation library, big deal) is there, plus a lot of new stuff that you needed ALG48 and Java for |
| 18:27:27 | Speedy2 | It does NOT hvae IR. |
| 18:27:35 | Speedy2 | Yeah, anyway |
| 18:28:00 | Speedy2 | The 49G keyboard is a disgrace to everything HP was...rubber keys...retarded layout. |
| 18:28:15 | oGMo | having the *SIM stuff builtin and the gui in rom so i don't have to waste ram is nice ;) plus having a built-in editor and assembler... sure the keyboard is slightly annoying, but it's not _that_ bad |
| 18:28:26 | Speedy2 | Yeah it is |
| 18:28:38 | Speedy2 | The GUI for the 48G/GX was in ROM too. |
| 18:28:49 | Speedy2 | The built-in assembler is MASD syntax. |
| 18:28:51 | NetAmp | wtf? |
| 18:28:54 | Speedy2 | Are you part of the MK team? |
| 18:28:56 | NetAmp | lost track |
| 18:28:56 | smee | ok, so...for fun I want to make a list of non-GPLd software included in OZ: bootloader, sdmgr, ... |
| 18:28:56 | oGMo | Speedy2: the GX rom did not pretty-print equations without java or similar |
| 18:28:56 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 18:29:02 | Speedy2 | True |
| 18:29:05 | kergoth | smee: sd module |
| 18:29:15 | kergoth | smee: the utility to check the full reset status |
| 18:29:33 | kergoth | smee: diagnostics, cf updater |
| 18:29:41 | oGMo | Speedy2: syntax shmintax. so it's a little different, that doesn't make it suck ;) |
| 18:29:54 | Speedy2 | oGMo: Everyone I know STILL uses Jazz. |
| 18:30:04 | oGMo | Speedy2: i agree the keyboard should be better. I don't mind the rubber keys so much as not having EVAL and ' on the face |
| 18:30:06 | Speedy2 | oGMo: It's basically MK + Erable...it's a HACK |
| 18:30:29 | oGMo | Speedy2: jazz is for pussies, use sasm and rplcomp :) |
| 18:30:33 | Speedy2 | Kay, whatever |
| 18:30:37 | Speedy2 | What HP software have you written? |
| 18:30:42 | smee | kergoth: thanks - nothing we dont need then :) |
| 18:31:07 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: What did you like about the S series over the G series? |
| 18:31:12 | kergoth | smee: well, the util to check full reset status i'll rewrite |
| 18:31:16 | ranf | hi |
| 18:31:18 | kergoth | smee: and the bootloader will get replaced eventually.. |
| 18:31:20 | NetAmp | hi |
| 18:31:25 | Speedy2 | heh kergoth |
| 18:31:28 | kergoth | smee: but yeah, we need it |
| 18:31:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:31:47 | kergoth | full reset status i'll just adapt a util i saw for checking registers via /dev/mem |
| 18:31:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:31:52 | oGMo | Speedy2: i hacked some asm and rpl stuff back in the day, nothing big or exciting, but that doesn't make me unqualified to comment |
| 18:31:54 | smee | seems odd to ignorant me that there';s a boot loader - figured it would get run in place |
| 18:32:16 | VerxHome | Speedy2: Mainly the layout of the softkeys |
| 18:32:21 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: I see. |
| 18:32:30 | kergoth | smee: it sets up the memory, sets a couple of registers, initializes the first serial port, and calls out the kernel |
| 18:32:37 | oGMo | people just say the 49 sucks because it looks like something apple would slap an 'i' in front of ;) |
| 18:32:38 | Speedy2 | kergoth: It does more than that |
| 18:32:46 | Speedy2 | kergoth: It handles waking from sleep too (that's not easy) |
| 18:32:56 | VerxHome | took notes in class on his 48sx |
| 18:33:01 | VerxHome | about 40 wpm or so |
| 18:33:02 | Speedy2 | oGMo: Did you ever post to comp.sys.hp48? |
| 18:33:05 | kergoth | Speedy2: oh yeah, we had that discussion before |
| 18:33:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:33:09 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 18:33:16 | oGMo | Speedy2: i don't recall |
| 18:33:16 | iang | would love to have an hp48 emulator for the Z |
| 18:33:18 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Also inits LCD controller, etc. |
| 18:33:19 | VerxHome | wrote a few 3d function plotters |
| 18:33:23 | oGMo | i don't think so |
| 18:33:23 | mark | iang: i'm working on it |
| 18:33:26 | kergoth | Speedy2: thats not required though :-) |
| 18:33:28 | Speedy2 | My friend wrote PowerPlot for the 48 |
| 18:33:30 | iang | mark: :-) |
| 18:33:32 | kergoth | Speedy2: and i doubt angel does that right now |
| 18:33:34 | VerxHome | and the only virus I know of that was ever written for the 48 series |
| 18:33:35 | Speedy2 | kergoth: It is if you want LCD working :) |
| 18:33:37 | oGMo | Speedy2: hrm never heard of it |
| 18:33:44 | Speedy2 | oGMo: www.hpcalc.org |
| 18:33:45 | VerxHome | (I of course never released the virus) |
| 18:33:50 | oGMo | i haven't followed hpcalc.org in a few years |
| 18:33:53 | iang | The first post of mine Google groups has recorded is from comp.sys.handhelds.hp48 |
| 18:33:54 | Speedy2 | ok |
| 18:34:08 | Speedy2 | Nice that we have a lot of HP enthusiasts here |
| 18:34:15 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: I have the source code to the S series if you want it. |
| 18:34:26 | oGMo | Speedy2: well what else would we be enthusiatic about... TI's? *runs* :) |
| 18:34:32 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 18:34:38 | VerxHome | well, I totally fubared my 48sx, was one of the saddest days of my life |
| 18:34:41 | Speedy2 | oGMo: Surprisingly, they have a very loyal following |
| 18:34:46 | oGMo | Speedy2: they do, it's weird |
| 18:34:47 | VerxHome | stored it in the pocket of a backpack |
| 18:34:48 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: What happend? I might be able to fix |
| 18:34:54 | VerxHome | the buttons got permanently pushed |
| 18:34:55 | VerxHome | :( |
| 18:34:56 | iang | Speedy2: that might be really useful for an emulator which is really a port... |
| 18:35:12 | Speedy2 | iang: Well, there is a UNIX Hp48 emulator...I'm sure it would run on Z w/o too much trouble. |
| 18:35:20 | VerxHome | so I bought an hp48gx and haven't ever liked it nearly as much |
| 18:35:35 | oGMo | the GX rocked, i had the most fun on it |
| 18:35:38 | mark | Speedy2: just a matter of porting it to qt |
| 18:35:43 | VerxHome | I want a Qt hp48 so bad |
| 18:35:52 | iang | mark: is that the tack you're taking? |
| 18:36:04 | Speedy2 | My 48G is highly modified -- 768KB of memory. |
| 18:36:10 | mark | iang: yes. well, was taking. |
| 18:36:13 | Speedy2 | Well, that's my second. My first had 384KB. |
| 18:36:15 | VerxHome | heh cool speedy2 |
| 18:36:23 | Speedy2 | I used to upgrade HPs...for $$ heh :) |
| 18:36:33 | oGMo | Speedy2: cool |
| 18:36:45 | Speedy2 | Although, I did also hack in 128KB into the TI-92 -- I used to take notes on that POS. |
| 18:37:00 | oGMo | how about an 802.11b HP... and they were worried about the IR port :) |
| 18:37:03 | Speedy2 | But the 128KB is mapped into the upper 8 data bits of the 68K so it looks like 128Kbx16 |
| 18:37:12 | Speedy2 | KBx16 rather |
| 18:37:47 | ranf | iang: Are you this guy who did some Palm apps? tg-something or so? |
| 18:37:53 | iang | ranf: yes |
| 18:38:08 | iang | TGssh, etc. |
| 18:38:22 | ranf | iang: exactly |
| 18:39:49 | smee | how do you get into the diagnostics? A+B+hard reset? |
| 18:39:55 | smee | iirc |
| 18:40:36 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 18:40:50 | sig | MOTV ROCKS11 |
| 18:40:53 | VerxHome | can't get buttons to automatically layout correctly in Qt Designer |
| 18:40:53 | sig | !! |
| 18:41:09 | VerxHome | wonders what motv is |
| 18:41:19 | sig | VerxHome: it is better than xawtv |
| 18:41:29 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 18:41:30 | sig | a tvcard program that allows you to watch tv on your pc |
| 18:41:42 | VerxHome | bought a tvcard for that |
| 18:41:47 | VerxHome | but accessing it locks the box |
| 18:41:53 | ranf | what cards do work? |
| 18:41:53 | sig | what!?!? |
| 18:41:57 | sig | locks the box |
| 18:42:00 | oGMo | sig, did you check out the bilinear interpolation filter? |
| 18:42:02 | VerxHome | yeah, locks it hard |
| 18:42:07 | sig | oGMo: no |
| 18:42:18 | sig | I have a "WinTv-Go" card |
| 18:42:19 | oGMo | xaw-something on sourceforge |
| 18:42:24 | sig | made by "happauge" |
| 18:42:38 | oGMo | http://xaw-deinterlace.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:42:41 | sig | oGMo: I don't like xawtv |
| 18:42:47 | oGMo | sig, yeah, this just plugs into motv |
| 18:42:49 | sig | motv has way more features |
| 18:43:04 | oGMo | motv is just xawtv with motif widgets, and is required to use filters |
| 18:43:06 | sig | I apt-get'd all the plugins for motv |
| 18:43:16 | sig | oGMo: :) |
| 18:43:30 | oGMo | sig, cute |
| 18:43:35 | treke | ew. motif version of xawtv? |
| 18:43:43 | oGMo | treke: that's my opinion too, but ;) |
| 18:43:46 | ranf | damn I suspect my quite old Hauppauge ISA one wouldn't work? Ebay time :-) |
| 18:43:46 | sig | treke sshhh |
| 18:43:52 | oGMo | i just use xawtv and the command line |
| 18:44:03 | sig | oGMo: so do i |
| 18:44:39 | treke | the biggest advantage to xawtv is the lightweight gui :) |
| 18:44:49 | oGMo | treke: yeah |
| 18:45:18 | sig | oGMo: treke http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/motvtest.jpg |
| 18:45:23 | sig | I just need a better antena |
| 18:45:50 | oGMo | treke: what'd be nifty would be, say, SDLTV, with a translucent OSD for controlling it |
| 18:46:02 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 18:46:05 | [DrEvil] | damn symlinks |
| 18:46:32 | jmhodges | im so happy konq actually installed on mtdram! |
| 18:46:44 | Rascal | does power pc even take advantage of the new xscale architecture? |
| 18:46:44 | jmhodges | when icons and symlinks and all! |
| 18:46:48 | VerxHome | what is mtdram? |
| 18:46:54 | kergoth | VerxHome: persistant ramdisk |
| 18:47:10 | VerxHome | kergoth: Z? iPAQ? Both? |
| 18:47:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: both, i'd think |
| 18:47:24 | VerxHome | is it reliable finally? |
| 18:47:25 | Speedy2 | Rascal: PowerPC? Do you mean PocketPC? |
| 18:47:34 | Rascal | Speedy2: ya.. oops |
| 18:47:36 | VerxHome | last I had heard, it often lost its information |
| 18:47:36 | Speedy2 | Don't ever confuse the two again...EVER |
| 18:47:38 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 18:47:41 | Rascal | lol |
| 18:47:43 | kergoth | VerxHome: its a different driver than the one jamey's working on |
| 18:47:47 | Rascal | too busy looking at macs.. |
| 18:47:53 | oGMo | "WinCE" |
| 18:47:58 | Speedy2 | Well, the DRAM state is maintained when the Z is off, but it draws more power |
| 18:47:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: its the one the Z comes wityh |
| 18:48:12 | VerxHome | oh, cool |
| 18:48:18 | sjohnson | Rascal: No. M$ said they aren't going to optimize for XScale |
| 18:48:19 | VerxHome | didn't know the Z had such a thing |
| 18:48:27 | kergoth | VerxHome: the Z's flash is read only |
| 18:48:29 | Speedy2 | If it didn't maintain state, your Z would boot each time it turned on/off |
| 18:48:49 | treke | what interesting is that the iPaq actually uses part of flash for storage |
| 18:48:52 | kergoth | Speedy2: well, i think you mean suspend/resume |
| 18:48:56 | sig | ªºÊÚêú |
| 18:48:59 | kergoth | Speedy2: since all the on/off button does is suspend |
| 18:48:59 | sig | : |
| 18:49:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:49:02 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Right |
| 18:49:04 | kergoth | sig: ? |
| 18:49:07 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Touche. |
| 18:49:12 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:49:13 | sig | huh |
| 18:50:32 | Rascal | sjohnson: then what's the point of upgrading the processor if they don't optimize the os? |
| 18:50:57 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 18:51:05 | VerxHome | Qt Designer layout seems a tad bit non obvious |
| 18:51:14 | sjohnson | Rascal: We you will get speed increases because clock is faster, but no full capabilities. |
| 18:51:18 | treke | VerxHome: a tad? hows completly sound :) |
| 18:51:22 | sjohnson | s/We/Well/ |
| 18:51:34 | VerxHome | treke: Well, I was assuming it was 90% my ineptitude |
| 18:51:37 | treke | Rascal: supposedly battery life. Although I hear performance borders on worse |
| 18:51:47 | Rascal | sjohnson: have you noticed that the speed isn't improved? |
| 18:52:07 | sjohnson | Rascal: I'm just repeating what I've read and heard people say. |
| 18:52:25 | Rascal | sjohnson: oh ok. |
| 18:52:44 | Rascal | I wonder if familiar has started an xscale distro |
| 18:52:56 | sjohnson | Rascal: I'm really interested in the 39xx IPAQs. But Linux support for it isn't ready yet. |
| 18:52:58 | Speedy2 | It wouldn't be any different |
| 18:55:02 | CmdrChalupa | which OZ patch has the wireless tools stuff in it? |
| 18:55:13 | CmdrChalupa | kernelside |
| 18:55:34 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 18:55:39 | VerxHome | previewed his dialog |
| 18:55:50 | VerxHome | looks like using the layout manager fuq'd it up |
| 18:57:11 | VerxHome | what "style" is Qt/E on Z? Motif? |
| 18:57:26 | VerxHome | is trying to use the appropriate Qt Designer preview |
| 18:57:45 | treke | VerxHome: Dont worry about it |
| 18:57:51 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 18:58:05 | treke | VerxHome: They style shouldnt matter much. And the Z uses the QPE style I think |
| 18:58:17 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: ? |
| 18:58:18 | VerxHome | I don't see qpe as an option |
| 18:58:25 | treke | VerxHome: it isnt |
| 18:58:25 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: wireless tools are user space |
| 18:58:39 | VerxHome | motif/windows/platinum/cde/sgi/motif plus |
| 18:58:39 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: just enable wireless extensions |
| 18:58:45 | CmdrChalupa | oh |
| 18:58:48 | CmdrChalupa | they disabled them? |
| 18:58:53 | kergoth | yes |
| 18:59:00 | kergoth | thats why the socket driver cant do WEP on the sahrp rom |
| 18:59:17 | treke | VerxHome: Dont That's why I'm saying, dont bother worrying about the style. make sure everything fits in a 240x320 window and you'll be fine |
| 18:59:22 | VerxHome | windows style looks fine |
| 18:59:31 | VerxHome | ok |
| 18:59:33 | VerxHome | will do |
| 18:59:54 | VerxHome | does preview do layout only, or does it let you test code? |
| 19:00:01 | treke | just layout |
| 19:00:04 | tgall_foo | howdie |
| 19:00:04 | VerxHome | figured |
| 19:00:08 | VerxHome | would be surprised if not |
| 19:00:13 | tgall_foo | question for ya kergoth if you have a mo |
| 19:00:43 | kergoth | tgall_foo: sure, ask away |
| 19:01:13 | tgall_foo | ummm in the last stages of doing the open zaurus build ... trying to figure out how the staging and root directories get put together |
| 19:02:01 | kergoth | tgall_foo: staging is only for dependencies.. its where the headers for things get put so that other builds can find them |
| 19:02:11 | tgall_foo | hmmm ok |
| 19:02:20 | CmdrChalupa | The image I grabbed off of /dev/mtdblock0 was a full 16 MB, with data going all the way to the end of the image. I rebuilt an image using sharps tools off of the data that was on the one I grabbed, and the image I came out with there is 14 MB |
| 19:02:21 | tgall_foo | well I seem to have something in there that are not in the root dir |
| 19:02:27 | CmdrChalupa | something weird |
| 19:02:27 | kergoth | tgall_foo: i.e. if somedthing dependson libjpeg62, the headers and libs are in staging, and staging gets added to the apps include and lib paths |
| 19:02:30 | kergoth | tgall_foo: thats on purpose |
| 19:02:36 | kergoth | tgall_foo: we dont want headers for example in root/ |
| 19:02:45 | tgall_foo | yup makes sense |
| 19:03:04 | tgall_foo | but for instance staging/bin has basy busybox ... but root/bin does not |
| 19:03:05 | kergoth | tgall_foo: initially i tried to install everything into root, and remove what wasnt necessary, but that was a pain |
| 19:03:22 | kergoth | tgall_foo: root/ gets its files in the LAST step |
| 19:03:27 | tgall_foo | ahhhhhhhh! |
| 19:03:29 | kergoth | tgall_foo: each app.mk builds an ipk in sources/ipks/ |
| 19:03:34 | tgall_foo | ok ... tell me about this last step |
| 19:03:37 | kergoth | tgall_foo: make openzaruus just installs the ipks into root/ |
| 19:03:37 | CmdrChalupa | am I missing some data? or is the sharp image just inefficiently compressed |
| 19:03:52 | tgall_foo | *bing* |
| 19:04:06 | kergoth | tgall_foo: for i in sources/ipks/*ipk; do build/familiar/dist/ipkg-x86/C/ipkg -o root -f root/etc install $i; done; |
| 19:04:13 | tgall_foo | yup .... I grok |
| 19:04:14 | kergoth | tgall_foo: simplified, but there is basically what it does |
| 19:04:16 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:04:16 | tgall_foo | least now I do |
| 19:04:28 | tgall_foo | so tell me... how come you didn't use rpm to do this magic? |
| 19:04:38 | kergoth | tgall_foo: sharp rom uses ipkg, familiar uses ipkg |
| 19:04:45 | tgall_foo | yeah true.... |
| 19:04:50 | kergoth | tgall_foo: so do we, for compatibility |
| 19:05:05 | tgall_foo | right but couldn't you have used rpm to do some of the heavy lifting? |
| 19:05:27 | tgall_foo | basically so you wouldn't have to have as much mojo in the configs dir for each package? |
| 19:05:43 | kergoth | tgall_foo: could use dpkg as well |
| 19:05:47 | tgall_foo | sure |
| 19:05:50 | kergoth | tgall_foo: you're saying a .spec style deal right? |
| 19:06:01 | kergoth | tgall_foo: rpm -bb blah |
| 19:06:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:06:07 | tgall_foo | I dunno ... just a general question... I am but a humble grasshopper |
| 19:06:25 | kergoth | tgall_foo: I want to revamp the buildsystem to do something along those lines, but its longer term.. and i dont want it dependent on either redaht or debian, i want some portability |
| 19:06:40 | tgall_foo | kergoth: understood |
| 19:06:43 | kergoth | tgall_foo: so for now the ugly hack stays as is, until i find time to redesign it :-) |
| 19:06:52 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: any idea why my cramfs image that I created off of the data in the 16M sharp one is only 14M ? |
| 19:07:28 | | ranf: (EDVK) 51-24N 009-23E 283M; Conditions at; last updated: Conditions at; Dew Point: 72.0 F (22.2 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.12 in. Hg (1019 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.01 inches (0.5 hPa) higher than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 84%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 77.0 F (25.0 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the WNW (300 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT) |
| 19:07:28 | ranf | ibot weather edvk |
| 19:08:22 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: because the filesystem is always only 14mb |
| 19:08:44 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: 16 mb romimage = bootloader + diags + cf updater + zImage + filesystem + extras |
| 19:09:03 | CmdrChalupa | k...cool |
| 19:09:24 | VerxHome | any way to turn off snap to grid in qt designer? |
| 19:10:41 | VerxHome | the helpfile has ONE page about qt designer |
| 19:10:45 | VerxHome | really just an overview |
| 19:14:16 | Rascal | has anyone ported a snes emulator to the Z? |
| 19:15:02 | VerxHome | I wish they would. That is one of the things I most miss from WinCE |
| 19:18:50 | Speedy2 | How good is the SNES emulaator on LoseCE |
| 19:18:51 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 19:19:02 | Rascal | I heard it's slow |
| 19:19:15 | Speedy2 | That sux. |
| 19:20:46 | tgall_foo | kergoth: I assume you build ipkg and ipkg-x86 seperately for the "host" and for the target ... right? |
| 19:23:17 | VerxHome | actually I was thinking of nes |
| 19:23:24 | VerxHome | the nes emulator on losece is flawless |
| 19:23:31 | Rascal | oh ok.. |
| 19:23:37 | Rascal | never tried nes |
| 19:23:51 | VerxHome | runs every title complete with sound flawlessly |
| 19:24:02 | VerxHome | I haven't found a similar such program for qt yet |
| 19:24:18 | Speedy2 | Does it play RadRacer? |
| 19:24:27 | Speedy2 | The x86 emulator won't (last I heard) |
| 19:28:41 | kergoth | tgall_foo: yes exactly. |
| 19:32:44 | CmdrChalupa | if /dev/mtdblock0 is the flash rom, where does /dev/mtdblock1 get all of its data from? |
| 19:37:10 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: huh? |
| 19:37:11 | CmdrChalupa | when does /home get propogated? |
| 19:37:30 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: mtdblock1 is a ramdisk. there's a tar that contains its initial contents on full reset |
| 19:37:39 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: see /root/.*tar iirc |
| 19:37:56 | [DrEvil] | that damn .home_default.tar |
| 19:37:57 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: just read the startup scripts and look around. they tell the story |
| 19:37:57 | ljp_ | well, fo rme, /home gets propagated when the stereo is set up |
| 19:38:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:38:21 | ljp_ | after all.. home is where my stereo is |
| 19:38:31 | kergoth | doesnt have a stereo. sniffle. |
| 19:38:35 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 19:38:43 | [DrEvil] | the latest scummvm supports mp3 compressed audio |
| 19:38:49 | kergoth | yeah i heard :-) |
| 19:38:50 | kergoth | nifty |
| 19:38:56 | [DrEvil] | I can actually fit a game on a card |
| 19:39:19 | numatrix | Has anyone gotten the other adventure interpreters working? sarien and freesci? |
| 19:39:19 | tgall_foo | looks puzzled |
| 19:39:24 | kergoth | hm, whats a postscript viewer for windows? |
| 19:39:31 | numatrix | ghostview |
| 19:39:31 | kergoth | numatrix: iirc sarien supports sdl. |
| 19:39:39 | kergoth | theres a ghostview for windows? |
| 19:39:42 | Wintre | Yep |
| 19:39:43 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah |
| 19:39:46 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 19:39:50 | numatrix | kergoth: someone cross-ported it, but I haven't been able to get it working with games |
| 19:39:56 | numatrix | cross-compiled, rather |
| 19:39:59 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:41:18 | tgall_foo | kergoth: the ipkg and ipkg-x86 packages are obviously in a symbiotic relationship ... ipkg built... but ipkg-x86 didn't ... i get a ompiling ipkg-x86 binary... |
| 19:41:18 | tgall_foo | /bin/sh: cd: C: No such file or directory |
| 19:41:18 | tgall_foo | make: Entering an unknown directory |
| 19:41:19 | tgall_foo | make: *** busybox-0.60.3: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 19:41:31 | tgall_foo | that mean that the cvs download if ipkg didn't fire? |
| 19:42:11 | [DrEvil] | rebuilds his Z yet again |
| 19:42:31 | [DrEvil] | I didn;t know I was supposed to put links to kernel modules in the /home tarball |
| 19:44:36 | numatrix | has anyone tried the x11 snes emulator in the sourceforge archive? |
| 19:47:59 | Oriumpor | wow... ok... maybe a little late... but... perl is cool |
| 19:50:23 | | http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or the new pda that Sharp has put out in Japan |
| 19:50:23 | prpplague | ibot: a300 |
| 19:50:32 | kergoth | tgall_foo: yeah that means your cvs download failed |
| 19:52:00 | | prpplague: i'm not following you... |
| 19:52:00 | prpplague | ibot: sl-5600 |
| 19:52:28 | smee | Oriumpor: why so cool? |
| 19:52:33 | prpplague | benmeyer: i thought the a300 was suppose to be 400mhz? |
| 19:52:46 | Oriumpor | smee: it's so damn easy |
| 19:52:49 | tgall_foo | hmmm |
| 19:52:50 | prpplague | benmeyer: or is that going to be the sl-5600? |
| 19:52:53 | Oriumpor | smee: and robust at the same time |
| 19:53:14 | Wembly | will the sl-5600 have a keyboard as well? |
| 19:55:36 | dairenm | I think the 5600 is rumorware at this point. |
| 19:55:47 | dairenm | Not sure if any real specs have been carvedin stone. |
| 19:56:09 | dairenm | Some have been tossed around though. |
| 19:56:38 | smee | rumourware rocks... it's so damn customisable ;) |
| 19:57:04 | dairenm | dang. |
| 19:57:39 | tgall_foo | kergoth: ummm how does the ipkg build part work? |
| 19:57:50 | tgall_foo | kergoth: ie how do you build the ipkg and where does it get stuffed? |
| 19:58:46 | tgall_foo | I see the build/ipktemp dir ... but how's that puppy gettin' used? |
| 20:00:38 | Speedy2 | re |
| 20:01:18 | cdm | hey. |
| 20:04:01 | tgall_foo | ahhhhhhh sources/ipks/ |
| 20:07:18 | tgall_foo | kergoth: ok 'nuther question for ya when ya got a sec |
| 20:10:06 | kergoth | tgall_foo: it installs the binaries into the ipktemp, then runs ipkg-build to create the ipk |
| 20:10:09 | kergoth | tgall_foo: k ask away |
| 20:10:49 | tgall_foo | kergoth: where is the magic to build the package? .... ie when it does something like: |
| 20:10:54 | tgall_foo | Building ipk for zlib1g... |
| 20:11:05 | tgall_foo | what's the command for that and where is that coming from? |
| 20:11:26 | kergoth | tgall_foo: hehe. this is some of the stuff that wasnt in the original buildsystem.. i added this shit |
| 20:11:40 | kergoth | tgall_foo: blah.mk in configs/ includes a template from configs/templates/ |
| 20:11:50 | kergoth | tgall_foo: configs/templates/method is what you're looking for |
| 20:14:19 | tgall_foo | thank you thank you thank you! |
| 20:15:00 | kergoth | tgall_foo: progress? |
| 20:16:01 | whardier | BUUUUUUUUUUUUU RRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 20:16:41 | kergoth | whardier: i'm hungry |
| 20:20:38 | kergoth | fuck fuck fuck |
| 20:20:40 | kergoth | !!! |
| 20:20:47 | kergoth | shoots bkbits.net |
| 20:21:18 | whardier | just downed a 6 inch italian in a subway |
| 20:21:26 | fusion94- | um |
| 20:21:36 | fusion94- | thats one short italian guy |
| 20:21:39 | fusion94- | runs |
| 20:21:42 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:22:09 | whardier | 4 N Jul 24 Brady ( 55) Sometimes, not always, I like the idea of a chick... with a horse... |
| 20:22:10 | whardier | great |
| 20:22:15 | whardier | I get surveys in the mail now |
| 20:22:24 | fusion94- | um |
| 20:22:30 | kergoth | dood, you so need spamassassin |
| 20:22:31 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:22:39 | fusion94- | 6" italian and chicks with horses |
| 20:22:44 | fusion94- | you need help |
| 20:22:44 | whardier | fusion94- ? |
| 20:23:08 | whardier | the pants command me |
| 20:23:55 | kergoth | whardier: but which pants? |
| 20:24:43 | whardier | the giant radioactive rubber pants! |
| 20:24:49 | kergoth | ah, those |
| 20:26:03 | ljp_ | hahaha |
| 20:26:16 | whardier | :( |
| 20:26:59 | ljp_ | haha |
| 20:27:18 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:27:21 | whardier | this is gonna get me hurt |
| 20:27:40 | Wembly | whardier: why dont you talk to an ircop to get the channel founder reassigned? |
| 20:27:56 | kergoth | Wembly: why not just ask the channel founder? :-) |
| 20:28:15 | Wembly | cus the channel founder has been seen for 7 weeks 5 days 12 hour 17 mins and 50 seconds ago? |
| 20:28:24 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:28:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:28:27 | kergoth | who's the founder? |
| 20:28:31 | Wembly | nelson |
| 20:28:36 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:28:48 | Neo|Work | it makes you wonder when the only review of a hancom app comes from a Korean yahoo email. :) |
| 20:28:55 | Wembly | last quit msg was 113 no route to host |
| 20:29:13 | kergoth | Wembly: hm, couldve sworn i saw him more recently than that. |
| 20:29:19 | whardier | HAHA |
| 20:29:30 | ljp_ | just cant win |
| 20:29:39 | whardier | I ARE TO SMART! |
| 20:29:59 | kergoth | hits whardier with a sa1110 reference manual |
| 20:30:04 | whardier | BAH! |
| 20:30:05 | whardier | BOOO! |
| 20:30:07 | whardier | BAD FORM BITCH! |
| 20:30:19 | kergoth | eheh, no it was good form actually |
| 20:30:20 | ljp_ | is gonna drive around looking at cars |
| 20:30:21 | nadav | heh |
| 20:30:26 | whardier | ljp_ smack a few :) |
| 20:30:28 | kergoth | didnt you see the graceful arc at which the manual hit you? |
| 20:30:52 | whardier | kergoth: ah yes.. like an ecliptic breast in front of the sun |
| 20:31:04 | whardier | kergoth: you make my happy |
| 20:31:06 | ljp_ | I bet cars are cheaper up in Ft. Fun |
| 20:31:09 | whardier | WOOOOOOOOOO HEEEHEEEEEEE |
| 20:31:26 | whardier | haha |
| 20:31:30 | whardier | ljp_ I don't think they are |
| 20:31:39 | whardier | we usually go down there to get cheap cars |
| 20:32:02 | ljp_ | greeley |
| 20:32:02 | nadav | Can anyone recommend a good KVM switch for home use? VGA needed. USB will be good also |
| 20:32:19 | kergoth | wtf.. i cant do a bk pull on my repository on bkbits.net, because it fails on too many open files. i have to push the changes up into it |
| 20:32:22 | whardier | nadav they hasve USB kvms? |
| 20:32:28 | whardier | for like.. not an assload of money? |
| 20:32:37 | nadav | whardier: you can get one for around $150 |
| 20:32:41 | whardier | neat |
| 20:32:45 | nadav | yep |
| 20:32:47 | whardier | I guess you know a good one :) |
| 20:32:50 | nadav | nah |
| 20:32:58 | whardier | uses.. X |
| 20:33:03 | angryBSD | hi everybody |
| 20:33:06 | nadav | hi |
| 20:33:18 | nadav | I'm just wondering how cheap the intelligent kvms can get |
| 20:33:34 | nadav | well, 150 is not THAT bad |
| 20:35:36 | benmeyer | Well if it matters to anyone I have changed the layout a little bit on the howtos to make it easier to read on smaller screens. (will get put up in the next update) |
| 20:36:00 | whardier | swears he is hearing sheep |
| 20:36:20 | nadav | lol |
| 20:36:41 | kergoth | baaaa |
| 20:37:14 | nadav | looks at kvm switches @ newegg |
| 20:37:16 | treke | whardier: Are you getting turned on? |
| 20:37:21 | nadav | haha |
| 20:37:24 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:37:37 | kergoth | quotable quote! |
| 20:37:38 | kergoth | <treke> whardier: Are you getting turned on? |
| 20:38:06 | whardier | ? |
| 20:38:21 | kergoth | whardier: i think he wants to know if the sheep sounds turn you on |
| 20:38:22 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:38:24 | whardier | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:38:30 | kergoth | aha |
| 20:38:36 | kergoth | s/o*/o/; |
| 20:38:39 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:38:44 | whardier | *! |
| 20:38:53 | whardier | I dunno what that is |
| 20:38:56 | kergoth | no o's for you |
| 20:39:00 | whardier | no soup for you! |
| 20:39:01 | kergoth | * = 0 or more |
| 20:39:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:39:08 | whardier | no free power for you! |
| 20:40:02 | kergoth | bored. |
| 20:41:57 | kergoth | Any recommendations on a web hosting place? (no dns, just web) |
| 20:42:37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:42:39 | kergoth | -:- BitchX: Auto-ignoring whardier for 10 minutes [CTCP flood] |
| 20:42:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:42:44 | whardier | NOOO! |
| 20:42:56 | hardwire | bah |
| 20:43:02 | mark | lol, whardier has just been ignored for ctcp flooding me :) |
| 20:43:07 | kergoth | /set flood_protection off |
| 20:43:09 | mark | nice xchat :) |
| 20:43:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:43:13 | hardwire | hahaha |
| 20:43:15 | hardwire | woot |
| 20:43:23 | hardwire | /set flood_protection off |
| 20:43:25 | hardwire | /save |
| 20:43:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:43:42 | hardwire | I am feeling so thexy |
| 20:44:24 | hardwire | more people need to get on giFT |
| 20:45:57 | Neo|Work | http://linux.darylstimm.com/mozilla1280.jpg |
| 20:46:24 | Speedy2 | That's awesome |
| 20:46:24 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 20:46:43 | Neo|Work | for sensitive people: it's a lizards eating microsoft MSN butterflies |
| 20:46:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:47:16 | nadav | http://www.linkskey.com/kvm/uni-k104e.htm |
| 20:47:19 | nadav | That looks good |
| 20:48:24 | hardwire | its translucent! |
| 20:50:36 | Rascal | is it possible to sync an pocket pc ipaq with linux? |
| 20:50:53 | kergoth | Rascal: try #handhelds.org |
| 20:52:17 | mark | hi warmi |
| 20:52:25 | warmi | re |
| 20:53:02 | warmi | 3 hours meeting |
| 20:53:10 | mark | fun :) |
| 20:53:49 | warmi | yeah .. talking to a project leader ( or rather business sponsor) who wanted to know every detail of our proposed design down to types of permissions on the database tables |
| 20:53:59 | warmi | of course, she was anything but technical person |
| 20:54:05 | warmi | so it took hours to explain stuff |
| 20:54:36 | mark | ouch heh |
| 20:54:54 | warmi | mark: quiet on the channel .. not much happening ? |
| 20:55:17 | warmi | mark: I asked you before .. forgot if answered me alrady .. |
| 20:55:26 | warmi | what was going to be your next project ? |
| 20:56:33 | mark | warmi: heh, I musta missed that. well Knights is ongoing. FEN notation and edit support are my immediate plans. I want to get kvim/e finished off and then get this ti85 emulator done. then i've got kde stuff to do before 3.1 |
| 20:56:56 | warmi | kde stuff ? |
| 20:57:06 | kergoth | mark: you do kdepim stuff, right? |
| 20:57:10 | warmi | looks like you gonna be busy |
| 20:57:12 | warmi | heeh |
| 20:57:20 | mark | yeh, just need to finish of vcard importing in kaddressbook |
| 20:57:25 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:57:26 | mark | kergoth: yeah. |
| 20:57:29 | warmi | oh .. so mark is contribution to the mighty KDE project |
| 20:57:30 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:57:34 | warmi | contributing even |
| 20:57:59 | mark | warmi: yeh. I just do small things that I want implemented. |
| 20:57:59 | kergoth | hmm ineed to learn how to recover bk trees and work around at a lower level |
| 20:58:02 | warmi | mark: I decided to help OPIE a bit so I am improving their showimg app |
| 20:58:12 | warmi | hope to be done by the end of this week |
| 20:58:25 | kergoth | warmi: heh, you're quick. |
| 20:58:39 | mark | warmi: thats cool. is that app the one that came from qtopia or a ground up replacement? |
| 20:59:04 | warmi | kergoth: well, it is not going to be the another gimp either .. |
| 20:59:05 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:59:11 | kergoth | warmi: still :-) |
| 20:59:18 | kergoth | I take a long ass time to get anything done for some reason |
| 20:59:30 | kergoth | like this kernel port, i've been on this for a while now |
| 20:59:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:59:41 | warmi | mark: right now ... some major changes .. I would say 50/50 |
| 20:59:55 | mark | warmi: i see. it can display decent size images now? |
| 21:00:09 | treke | always nice to be able to start from a semi working program |
| 21:00:12 | warmi | kergoth: keep in mind that this is your first "kernel space" project .. |
| 21:00:17 | kergoth | warmi: true that |
| 21:00:36 | kergoth | warmi: except for the usb networking driver that i never finished.. but that was a minor feature addition |
| 21:00:39 | warmi | mark: well .... |
| 21:00:56 | warmi | mark: this is not an application level problem but qte handling of images |
| 21:01:25 | warmi | so I don't think I am going to be able to change much there . I would have to implement external 3rd party image libraries to fix that |
| 21:01:32 | mark | warmi: i thought tkcGallery could display big images? |
| 21:01:55 | mark | oh right, thats what they probably do then :) |
| 21:02:22 | warmi | and I don't want to do that ... if we gonna do that then this needs to be decided on the OPIE level as these libs would be usefull to everyone .. some sort of like KDE style framework for loading external images |
| 21:02:44 | warmi | mark: tckGallery uses its own code for loading/parsing different image formats |
| 21:02:54 | warmi | showimg is using QPixmal.load() |
| 21:03:15 | warmi | I will play around with using QImage instead and see if I can get anywhere with that approachj |
| 21:03:38 | mark | ah I see |
| 21:03:46 | cdm | kergoth: the Zaurus changes to the linux kernel - are they in the main rmk kernels? |
| 21:04:01 | kergoth | cdm: no |
| 21:04:10 | kergoth | cdm: thats what i'm working on |
| 21:04:12 | mark | warmi: I see. its just a pain not being able take pictures on a CF camera and display them on a Z coz the res is too big |
| 21:04:13 | kergoth | cdm: heh |
| 21:04:21 | warmi | mark: I implemeted various enhancements like making scalling of images optional , you can know load big ass image and have scrollbars/panel to scroll around etc .. |
| 21:04:54 | mark | ah thats better |
| 21:05:01 | warmi | some minor things like FileRequester will now display thumbnails .. you can change brightness/contrast of the image etc .. |
| 21:05:07 | warmi | noting major |
| 21:05:38 | warmi | of course, if you want to have a real image viewer , one would have to use a real image oriented library like imglib or something like that |
| 21:05:53 | warmi | just like tkcGallery does |
| 21:06:25 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 21:06:32 | [DrEvil] | I got a BT connection to my phone |
| 21:06:35 | BigBoss | what we talking about here? |
| 21:06:39 | [DrEvil] | this rocks |
| 21:06:46 | oGMo | [DrEvil]: nifty |
| 21:06:47 | smee | that mooview app on ZSI can do 1200x1600 - what does that use? |
| 21:06:52 | oGMo | i wish my phone had bluetooth |
| 21:07:00 | warmi | what's mooview ? |
| 21:07:02 | oGMo | and i wish the Z did too, but oh well |
| 21:07:08 | smee | http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/mooview/ |
| 21:07:21 | oGMo | [DrEvil]: how does BT power consumption compare to IR? I'd think it'd be a lot better... |
| 21:07:36 | [DrEvil] | I have the Socket BT card |
| 21:07:53 | [DrEvil] | supposed to be low power useage |
| 21:08:00 | warmi | smee: it is using external jpeg library |
| 21:08:10 | warmi | wrappend inside of QImageReader |
| 21:08:19 | warmi | I just looked at the code |
| 21:08:24 | oGMo | ok brb |
| 21:08:29 | smee | warmi: quick work :) |
| 21:09:09 | Speedy2 | BT will be far worse |
| 21:09:11 | Speedy2 | than IR |
| 21:09:16 | Speedy2 | Since IR is only on for a small period of time |
| 21:09:22 | Speedy2 | BT requires RF transmission, host processor, etc. |
| 21:09:38 | BigBoss | mark: aren't you using tkcGallery? |
| 21:09:47 | warmi | smee: I might use his approach for that .. well, first I have to play around with using QImage instead of QPixmap |
| 21:09:47 | Wembly | BT? |
| 21:09:50 | Wembly | oh |
| 21:09:51 | Wembly | nm |
| 21:10:17 | [DrEvil] | what would be cool is for tkcAddressbook to have a button in the phone book that will dial using BT |
| 21:10:34 | [DrEvil] | I have my BT headset |
| 21:10:40 | [DrEvil] | it would be splendid |
| 21:10:40 | BigBoss | well once we replace everything with our new PIM engine, we probably could do it |
| 21:10:42 | mark | BigBoss: i'm not yet, i shall be though |
| 21:10:52 | [DrEvil] | not having to handle the phone |
| 21:10:58 | Wembly | drevil: what would be cool is if it could emit dtfm (sp?) tones. |
| 21:11:08 | Wembly | so you hold it to the fone with an external speaker and it dials. |
| 21:11:10 | Speedy2 | If the Z had a speaker, it could. (not a buzzer) |
| 21:11:15 | [DrEvil] | [MiniMe] is me on my BT connection |
| 21:11:17 | [DrEvil] | fabulous |
| 21:11:39 | warmi | BigBoss; so you gonna use completely custom backend for storing Addressbook data ? |
| 21:12:08 | [DrEvil] | and only EvilROM 2.0 has BT built in |
| 21:12:13 | warmi | I thought Trolls were coming out with a unified API precisely for this kind of stuff ... |
| 21:12:34 | kergoth | warmi: according to zecke, their new db api sucks |
| 21:12:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:12:35 | Wembly | anyhow bibi |
| 21:12:42 | BigBoss | warmi: we've got a new engine to accomodate our new ToDo app |
| 21:12:53 | BigBoss | hopefully we can use their sync stuff |
| 21:13:02 | [DrEvil] | when is tkcTodo out? |
| 21:13:08 | BigBoss | kergoth: I've heard that as well - if it is built on QtSQL, then it is no surprise |
| 21:13:10 | hardwire | there was a comp[lete boob at subway |
| 21:13:13 | hardwire | I was wearing black |
| 21:13:15 | hardwire | its hot out |
| 21:13:21 | mark | BigBoss: its not, its on its own database |
| 21:13:23 | BigBoss | [DrEvil]: it went to beta2 yesterday, so it is close |
| 21:13:29 | warmi | I am sure you will provide a way for the users to migrate the data .... but: in the end what we gonna have is two sets of backends .. |
| 21:13:36 | BigBoss | mark: does it use QtSQL to access it? |
| 21:13:36 | hardwire | so he commented saying.. "thats pretty smart wearing black on days like this.. kinda like how the polar bears have it" |
| 21:13:46 | hardwire | I was a little confused |
| 21:13:51 | hardwire | "uh dude.. polar bears are white" |
| 21:13:52 | mark | BigBoss: no, well it didn't when I read the source |
| 21:13:58 | kergoth | hardwire: lol.. i dont get it |
| 21:14:09 | warmi | kergoth: zecke doesn't like anything .what doesn't have K letter in front of it .. at least that is my impression |
| 21:14:10 | warmi | heeh |
| 21:15:10 | warmi | kergoth: there is nothing wrong with using QtSQL for such basic stuff .. we are not talking here about Oracle style databases :-) |
| 21:15:17 | BigBoss | mark: that seems kind of stupid for them since they spent all that time writing it |
| 21:15:20 | warmi | anythign is better than custom parsing of XML files |
| 21:15:29 | mark | BigBoss: indeed :) |
| 21:15:32 | BigBoss | although QtSQL is worthless for the stuff we need for our products |
| 21:15:40 | warmi | BigBoss: why ? |
| 21:15:48 | warmi | it supports basic querying etc .. |
| 21:15:57 | warmi | we are not talking here large data sets anyway |
| 21:16:23 | warmi | unless you are talking about your desktop applications .. |
| 21:16:28 | Neo|Work | warmi: did you try jpeg loading with QImage? |
| 21:16:30 | warmi | that is a completely different matter |
| 21:16:33 | BigBoss | we tried to use it for Rekall and DataArchitect, but you can't do it |
| 21:16:42 | warmi | Neo|Work: no .. I will try as soon as I get home |
| 21:16:55 | BigBoss | basically TT knocked off, or tried to knock off, our KDE-DB code from a couple years ago |
| 21:17:12 | warmi | BigBoss: this stuff is intended for casual application level ( front end) use .. not for use by specialized database tools |
| 21:17:25 | warmi | same problem as with ODBC .. |
| 21:17:51 | warmi | serious tools like Embarcadeno use custom or verdors own libraries to connect to the databases they support |
| 21:18:25 | Neo|Work | If you don't use SQL, wouldn't using an SQL API be dumb? |
| 21:18:43 | Neo|Work | I assume it's something along the lines of GDBM/BerkeleyDB type databases |
| 21:19:04 | warmi | Neo|Work: even with that SQL wrapper is usefull |
| 21:19:32 | Neo|Work | and isn't the SQL stuff new to QT3 anyway (but perhaps we're talking about Qtopia 3 or whatever) |
| 21:19:44 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 21:19:49 | smee | is the O'Reilly Qt book any good? |
| 21:20:14 | warmi | is that the one written by a German author ? |
| 21:20:30 | warmi | I think , as usual, O'Reilly is the best of the bunch |
| 21:20:43 | smee | warmi: 'Kalle Dalheimer' - sounds pretty German |
| 21:20:45 | warmi | certainly that learn QT in 24 hours or whatever it was called was a waste of money |
| 21:20:52 | warmi | smee: yeah, that's the one |
| 21:20:57 | warmi | it is the best of all Qt books |
| 21:21:01 | warmi | at least at this point |
| 21:21:17 | smee | warmi: thanks |
| 21:21:19 | warmi | Trolls were going to come out with their own , reference like book, but it never worked out |
| 21:21:21 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 21:21:33 | warmi | basically, it would be printed equivlent of their excellent HTML documentation |
| 21:21:43 | kergoth | warmi: that would be handy |
| 21:21:44 | [DrEvil] | I think I am going to try and hack it so that I can initiate a BT connection through the panel applet |
| 21:21:47 | kergoth | i like having it on paper |
| 21:21:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21:59 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: opie has bluetooth support. :) |
| 21:22:08 | [DrEvil] | I haven't seen it |
| 21:22:16 | warmi | kergoth: yeah .. for these long train comuting hours .. or evel less glorious .. like reading while sitting on the toilet :-) |
| 21:22:21 | [DrEvil] | but it doesn't have a backup app |
| 21:22:28 | [George-] | kergoth: Does it? |
| 21:22:32 | kergoth | [George-]: yes |
| 21:22:35 | [George-] | kewl |
| 21:22:35 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: true that. |
| 21:22:38 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: hows the EvilRom Build? |
| 21:22:47 | warmi | EvilRom ?? |
| 21:22:51 | warmi | hehehe |
| 21:22:57 | [George-] | are those SD BlueTooth cards supported? |
| 21:23:10 | [DrEvil] | EvilROM 2.0 (Goldzaurus) looks golden |
| 21:23:14 | angryBSD | what 802.11b CF cards do you have? which is the best? |
| 21:23:16 | jmhodges | heya |
| 21:23:26 | jmhodges | angryBSD: from my research the SMC one is the best |
| 21:23:36 | jmhodges | angryBSD: but i dont own one.. Yet :) |
| 21:23:43 | [DrEvil] | http://home.earthlink.net/~xeraphin/goldzaurus.jpg |
| 21:23:45 | warmi | kergoth: I guess you can hack out some sort of script that will scan all the man pages and print them out in alphabetic sequence or something like that |
| 21:23:58 | warmi | make a book out of it |
| 21:24:20 | warmi | [DrEvil]: heeh |
| 21:24:32 | jmhodges | hehehe [DrEvil] |
| 21:24:43 | angryBSD | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2002/db020721.gif |
| 21:25:21 | jmhodges | yeah i love that one :D |
| 21:25:42 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:27:08 | [DrEvil] | I have a feeling that SD will be too slow to store scummvm cards on |
| 21:27:15 | Neo|Work | in general, the reference docs for Qt is pretty darn good |
| 21:27:34 | warmi | Neo|Work: the best in the business |
| 21:27:42 | warmi | even Java docs suck compared to that |
| 21:28:05 | smee | and opie's qte toolkit is a subset of Qt 2.3? |
| 21:28:17 | kergoth | smee: s/opie's//; |
| 21:28:32 | kergoth | qt/e is trolltech's. |
| 21:28:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:28:39 | warmi | qte is qt embedded ... yeah .. basically subset of qt |
| 21:28:50 | Neo|Work | I think I'll be able to get cable internet soon |
| 21:29:05 | Neo|Work | and I will, try it and they use it along with DSL or instead of DSL depending on how well it works |
| 21:29:15 | smee | ok, cool |
| 21:29:16 | warmi | Neo|Work: heheeh |
| 21:29:34 | warmi | some people still have nothing but dialup ( jmhodges for one ) .. |
| 21:29:45 | Neo|Work | warmi: only been trying to get cable for, what, 5 yrs? :) |
| 21:30:10 | Neo|Work | and hopefully the cable network upgrade will also get rid of the horid picture quality on most channels |
| 21:30:18 | Neo|Work | looks like bad over-the-air reception |
| 21:30:20 | warmi | I prefer DSL but only cause I can get static IP and there is no limitatins on what kind of stuff I can run on my network as long as it is not used for commercial purposes |
| 21:30:34 | jmhodges | stabs Neo |
| 21:30:35 | kergoth | I wish i could get dsl |
| 21:30:38 | kergoth | the cable here sucks |
| 21:30:39 | jmhodges | stabs Neo|Work |
| 21:30:41 | kergoth | drops left and right |
| 21:31:06 | angryBSD | same |
| 21:31:37 | smee | 'Programming with Qt' @ £22.80 from Amazon, not badly priced comparatively |
| 21:31:41 | warmi | with the cable , there is also that issue of connection speed being tied to the number of people using the service at the same time |
| 21:31:54 | treke | smee: have you looked at the online docs? |
| 21:32:01 | warmi | of course, this also affects DSL but not at the same , direct level |
| 21:32:08 | angryBSD | warmi: yeah, mine goes on and off like a bitch |
| 21:32:13 | jmhodges | yeah dont tell any of your neighbors if you get cable |
| 21:32:39 | angryBSD | jmhodges: why's that |
| 21:32:47 | Neo|Work | warmi: my DSL has some incoming ports blocked, like 80 and 25 |
| 21:32:49 | smee | treke: yeah, they pointed me at that book ... I like books :) |
| 21:32:52 | treke | ah |
| 21:32:54 | angryBSD | mine has 80 blocked too |
| 21:32:55 | Neo|Work | but I don't pay for commercial either and I don't care |
| 21:32:57 | angryBSD | its a bitch |
| 21:33:02 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, that sucks |
| 21:33:05 | Neo|Work | but the main reason for cable might be download speeds |
| 21:33:17 | angryBSD | i get 500 kB/sec from some places |
| 21:33:19 | jmhodges | angryBSD: so they dont get it as well :) if they find out its available they might go out and get it |
| 21:33:21 | warmi | Telocity allows pretty much everything .. they don't even have a firewall running |
| 21:33:29 | Neo|Work | I have a webserver so that isn't needed. ditto with mail, which I fetch to my home box using fetchmail (delivered locally via postfix) |
| 21:33:34 | Neo|Work | so that doesn't matter either |
| 21:33:36 | angryBSD | jmhodges: our cable provider advertises on TV :( |
| 21:33:40 | warmi | or at least they claim thay don't have one ... and if they do ,everything is open anyway |
| 21:34:00 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: cute desktop for evilrom |
| 21:34:24 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .... but you have to pay for colocation and stuff |
| 21:34:30 | Neo|Work | warmi: I could change ISP to one that allows all this but it'd cost a bit more and I don't _need_ it |
| 21:34:44 | warmi | Neo|Work: every geek needs it :-) |
| 21:34:48 | warmi | you just don't know it yet |
| 21:34:51 | Neo|Work | warmi: I happen not to have to do that, but still. :-P |
| 21:34:52 | warmi | heh |
| 21:34:58 | prpplague | heads home for more buildroot fun |
| 21:35:03 | Neo|Work | they do allow ssh in which is all I really need |
| 21:35:11 | Neo|Work | and I honestly don't need it |
| 21:35:20 | Neo|Work | they do allow other ports in too btw, just not certain standard ones |
| 21:35:23 | warmi | well, you are vi guy arent you ? |
| 21:35:29 | Neo|Work | no |
| 21:35:33 | Neo|Work | xemacs |
| 21:35:46 | warmi | oh .. you can't use that very well over ssh, can you ? |
| 21:35:50 | Neo|Work | and the only thing I do miss is the ability to run a dns secondary at home |
| 21:35:54 | Neo|Work | sure you can |
| 21:35:55 | smee | ustomers who bought Programming with Qt also bought... a bunch of random other stuff |
| 21:36:14 | warmi | Neo|Work: you mean like a entire X session running to your server ? |
| 21:36:15 | Neo|Work | I generally use it in console mode over the DSL since it's so slow but X works perfectly fine - main issue is startup time |
| 21:36:24 | Neo|Work | I ran emacs (not xemacs) over modem + ssh even |
| 21:36:30 | Neo|Work | no |
| 21:37:07 | Neo|Work | as a matter of fact I access the xemacs at home from work using gnuclient (run on my home box of course) |
| 21:37:11 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, I have my web/email etc server next to my desk .. I usually open ReflectionX session to it and it is blazingly fast .. ( nor suprisingly , it is on the local lan) |
| 21:37:15 | jmhodges | hm.. with blender going Free.. all linux needs is an open source (and good) video editor ... mm.. vid editing goodness |
| 21:37:51 | Neo|Work | video editor is something I'd like to have, and might even pay for |
| 21:38:03 | warmi | smee: this is the second edition of that title right ? |
| 21:38:05 | Neo|Work | and something I'd buy a mac for, if I had the cash |
| 21:38:08 | angryBSD | http://sysadminday.boxke.be/pMark_Sewage_P6060002.JPG - that cant be good |
| 21:38:29 | warmi | angryBSD: hehehe |
| 21:38:42 | jmhodges | all thats keeping me from saving up some cash for a digital camera is the lack of a *nix app |
| 21:38:44 | smee | warmi: yeah: '2nd Ed (4 February, 2002)' |
| 21:38:45 | warmi | smee: I can only speak about the first release ... |
| 21:39:03 | warmi | but I asume , the second one would be just as good |
| 21:39:05 | Neo|Work | so, anyone know of / can thing of some cool theme for my second original game (which is "tetris" but not reall since the tetris company doesn't like that. :-) |
| 21:39:18 | Mickey0 | any idea why the zaurus ignores my new entries in /etc/hosts ? |
| 21:39:29 | smee | warmi: ok thanks, I wount hold you personally responsible ;) |
| 21:39:31 | warmi | I know it most likely touches or even covers qt 3 |
| 21:39:37 | smee | s/wount/wont/ |
| 21:39:43 | Neo|Work | Mickey0: some caching perhaps? Tried restarting? |
| 21:40:02 | Mickey0 | Neo|Work: rebooting or restarting network? |
| 21:40:07 | angryBSD | Neo: port SFCave to the Z |
| 21:40:07 | warmi | the one I have pretty much covers qt 1.x with some aditional , last minute, chapters about qt 2.x |
| 21:40:09 | Neo|Work | rebooting |
| 21:40:11 | angryBSD | if it hasnt been done |
| 21:40:20 | Neo|Work | or actually, restarting Qtopia too if it's a qpe cache |
| 21:40:28 | Neo|Work | the system itself shouldn't cache though |
| 21:40:32 | Neo|Work | but I don't really know |
| 21:40:50 | warmi | look at this .. |
| 21:40:52 | warmi | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/registration.php |
| 21:40:54 | Mickey0 | Neo|Work: no, its command line... oh... and i see... the zaurus just ignores my aliases in /etc/hosts, the fully qualified hosts are found... strange |
| 21:40:55 | smee | has much changed with 3.0 - mainly new classes I think? |
| 21:40:56 | kergoth | bangs his head against his desk |
| 21:40:57 | warmi | almost all the aps are taken |
| 21:41:05 | jmhodges | kergoth: whats up? |
| 21:41:16 | warmi | smee: some stuff changed a lot .. but yeah , mostly tons of new classes |
| 21:41:18 | kergoth | jmhodges: everything looks like it should work, but it doesnt. |
| 21:41:21 | Neo|Work | warmi: will be interesting to see what is actually finished |
| 21:41:22 | kergoth | jmhodges: and i hate that. |
| 21:41:31 | warmi | Neo|Work: true that |
| 21:41:45 | Neo|Work | there's some rather lame "applications" there too btw |
| 21:41:49 | jmhodges | kergoth: :( i know that feeling |
| 21:41:54 | jmhodges | kergoth: what app? |
| 21:41:55 | Neo|Work | like cocktail recipies |
| 21:42:04 | Neo|Work | man, I could make one of those rather quickly |
| 21:42:12 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, that's easy .. |
| 21:42:16 | Neo|Work | converting Sugar's database to some easy format etc |
| 21:42:20 | warmi | the hard part is to get the data |
| 21:42:27 | warmi | Sugar's ? |
| 21:42:27 | tux_mike | can someone do me a favor? |
| 21:42:36 | angryBSD | well if the app isnt done well, or just was thrown together it wont win the new Z |
| 21:42:36 | kergoth | sugar, make me a long island. |
| 21:42:36 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 21:42:38 | Neo|Work | sugar how do you make long island |
| 21:42:38 | Sugar | Neo|Work: Ingredients for Long Island Ice Tea: 1/2 oz Vodka, 1/2 oz Gin, 1/2 oz Light Rum, 1/2 oz Tequila, Juice of 1/2 Lemon and 1 dash Cola |
| 21:42:38 | Sugar | Neo|Work: Combine ingredients and pour over ice in highball glass. Add cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon. |
| 21:42:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:42:43 | kergoth | echo |
| 21:43:14 | warmi | tux_mike: what do you need ? |
| 21:43:21 | tux_mike | can someone tell me what they get when they nslookup/dig tuxnami.org? |
| 21:43:28 | mark | hmm, gcc is signalling 11 all over the place. something is wrong :( |
| 21:43:33 | angryBSD | err wait... do all those developers who made those programs get Zaurii or only the one best one??? |
| 21:43:39 | kergoth | mark: um, thats often bad hardware |
| 21:43:54 | mark | kergoth: yep, I know |
| 21:44:03 | angryBSD | hey sugar says amounts now |
| 21:44:04 | kergoth | mark: i hate that. |
| 21:44:12 | angryBSD | sugar, make me a coke biatch |
| 21:44:12 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke biatch, pours it into a glass, which she hands angryBSD. |
| 21:44:15 | kergoth | angryBSD: only when you ask how to mkake something |
| 21:44:16 | angryBSD | cool |
| 21:44:24 | angryBSD | sugar, how do you make a coke |
| 21:44:28 | warmi | tux_mike: timed out |
| 21:44:30 | Neo|Work | sugar has 1053 recipies it seems |
| 21:44:31 | mark | kergoth: i did a memtest86 on it a few weeks back, one of the memory sticks appeared to be duff. removed that, it seemed better |
| 21:44:32 | mark | now this |
| 21:44:34 | tux_mike | damnit. wtf |
| 21:44:38 | kergoth | mark: egh.. |
| 21:44:54 | mark | kergoth: i'm wondering if its motherboard/cpu |
| 21:45:06 | w00t | im trying to login via ftp to my Z - what port/username/pwd do I use? |
| 21:45:13 | tux_mike | warmi: domain name expired, and now doster is being a pita |
| 21:45:28 | Neo|Work | it it segfaults randomly => memory, cpu, cpu cache. if consistent => often compiler bug. :) |
| 21:45:29 | warmi | tux_mike: you forgot to pay for it ? |
| 21:45:31 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:45:38 | tux_mike | they never gave me a notification |
| 21:45:42 | warmi | ah ok |
| 21:45:53 | tux_mike | and i had it setup for autorenew |
| 21:46:00 | mark | Neo|Work: memory is fine according to memtest. so cpu, cpu cache. could it not be mainboard? |
| 21:46:26 | Neo|Work | Domain Name: TUXNAMI.ORG |
| 21:46:26 | Neo|Work | Created on: 18-JUN-01 |
| 21:46:26 | Neo|Work | Expires on: 18-JUN-03 |
| 21:46:29 | warmi | whois lists doster as an owner |
| 21:46:41 | angryBSD | does everyone that submits an app get a zaurus? or only the best. |
| 21:46:46 | tux_mike | so now i'm missing tons of email and the like |
| 21:47:03 | warmi | angryBSD: everyone.. as long as your app meets their standards |
| 21:47:27 | Neo|Work | mark: I suppose it could be. possibly even things like harddrive |
| 21:47:43 | mark | Neo|Work: yeh, it happens on two different drives though, so i'm suspecting its not that |
| 21:47:47 | Neo|Work | iiodd, I can't even lookup the nameserver for it |
| 21:47:59 | angryBSD | warmi: holy shiat! |
| 21:48:08 | angryBSD | thats awesome |
| 21:48:15 | tux_mike | Neo: for my site? |
| 21:48:17 | warmi | angryBSD: yeah .. join the fun |
| 21:48:49 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: it's an issue with dotsters nameservers. They don't answer |
| 21:48:49 | warmi | it is not 5500 but still .. |
| 21:49:07 | angryBSD | warmi: have you made an app for that? |
| 21:49:09 | Neo|Work | Authoritative answers can be found from: |
| 21:49:10 | Neo|Work | tuxnami.org nameserver = NS2.DOTSTERINC.COM. |
| 21:49:10 | Neo|Work | tuxnami.org nameserver = NS1.DOTSTERINC.COM. |
| 21:49:14 | Neo|Work | and neither of those works |
| 21:49:34 | Neo|Work | I used to use dotster but switched since they started with spamming and such |
| 21:49:38 | warmi | angryBSD: no.. I cannot cause I already won the zaurus in the previous contest ( Trolls Qtopia contest) |
| 21:49:40 | tux_mike | well, they put my site in their NS with an A record. those entries shouldn't come up, it should read tuxnami.org nameserver = NS1.TUXNAMI.ORG. |
| 21:50:34 | Neo|Work | whois says NS1.TUXNAMI.ORG and NS2.TUXNAMI.ORG |
| 21:50:40 | Neo|Work | but apparently DNS doesn't agree |
| 21:50:41 | tux_mike | yah |
| 21:50:59 | Neo|Work | unless NS1.TUXNAMI.ORG == NS2.DOTSTERINC.COM. |
| 21:51:03 | tux_mike | that's what they should be, resolving to 64.81.228.56 and 57 |
| 21:51:04 | Neo|Work | in that case, they still aren't working |
| 21:51:07 | tux_mike | no, it doesn't |
| 21:51:22 | tux_mike | i know NS?.TUXNAMI.ORG are working :) |
| 21:51:26 | angryBSD | warmi: thats awesome, did you have a Z before you entered the contest? |
| 21:51:53 | Neo|Work | tried contacting dotster? |
| 21:52:19 | tux_mike | not yet. i just updated my account today. if it doesn't clear up tomorrow i'll bitch. |
| 21:52:40 | angryBSD | network solutions takes over 24 hours |
| 21:52:45 | tux_mike | is gonna have a shitload of mail come in |
| 21:52:46 | w00t | does anyone have a d-link DCF-650W ? |
| 21:52:50 | Neo|Work | angryBSD: no |
| 21:53:04 | angryBSD | ? |
| 21:53:05 | Neo|Work | the update delay is because the root servers are updated once per day |
| 21:53:12 | angryBSD | ahh |
| 21:53:18 | Neo|Work | like 5-6 am or so (timezone I don't know) |
| 21:53:31 | warmi | angryBSD: no .. I got my Z thanks to that contest |
| 21:53:38 | tux_mike | then all the time it takes for places to clear their caches |
| 21:53:38 | angryBSD | warmi: thats awesome |
| 21:53:43 | Neo|Work | what is different is that, say, Gandi.net updates whois in realtime while NSI takes up to 24 hrs |
| 21:53:44 | warmi | I developed my app on Windows (sic) |
| 21:53:56 | warmi | then recompiled on Qtopia framebuffer emulator |
| 21:54:01 | angryBSD | warmi: how'd you do that? i didnt know there was a free windows SDK for QT |
| 21:54:09 | warmi | yeah there is one |
| 21:54:11 | [DrEvil] | SD is S L O W |
| 21:54:15 | angryBSD | oh cool |
| 21:54:27 | warmi | http://www.trolltech.com/developer/download/qt-win-noncomm.html |
| 21:54:29 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: if you want to use a GOOD registrar, use gandi.net |
| 21:54:35 | Neo|Work | cheap, simple, fast etc |
| 21:54:39 | tux_mike | how much they cost? |
| 21:54:40 | angryBSD | sweet |
| 21:54:44 | warmi | it is not Qtopia specific or anything .. but it is qt - 99.9% of stuff is the same |
| 21:54:55 | mark | warmi: though of a release of a windows version? |
| 21:55:01 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: $10-11 / yr I think. prices are in EURO so they change with the currency |
| 21:55:03 | Neo|Work | for USD that is |
| 21:55:10 | warmi | mark: yeah .... maybe some day .. |
| 21:55:16 | w00t | im guessing noone has a d-link DCF-650W ? |
| 21:55:20 | mark | warmi: it'd be good I think |
| 21:55:24 | warmi | mark: actually I was thinking about release CE version ( MFC based not Qte) |
| 21:55:25 | tux_mike | maybe i'll transfer after this year expires |
| 21:55:25 | kergoth | w00t: quite a few of us do, myself included |
| 21:55:30 | warmi | releasing even |
| 21:55:36 | w00t | great |
| 21:55:40 | Neo|Work | warmi, mark: did anyone ever figure out if the contest SDK can be upgraded for free to newer commercial SDK's? |
| 21:55:47 | w00t | what did u do about blockage? |
| 21:55:48 | tux_mike | warmi: things still going as planned at the trib? |
| 21:55:48 | Neo|Work | or do we still have to pay to get that? |
| 21:55:56 | warmi | Neo|Work: I have no idea ... |
| 21:55:59 | w00t | esp the stereo jack |
| 21:56:11 | warmi | tux_mike: acording to Wolak they are .. I have heard nothing to the contrary |
| 21:56:14 | mark | Neo|Work: me neither. the whole free contest SDK was quite unclear imo |
| 21:56:14 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: it's important to transfer _beforE_ it expires, or it'll fail automatically |
| 21:56:37 | Neo|Work | my SDK doesn't have JPEG support for example, which is annoying a times |
| 21:56:41 | warmi | alright .. train time |
| 21:56:46 | warmi | see you later |
| 21:57:04 | tux_mike | neo: true enough, but i just paid for another year on dotster today :) |
| 21:58:00 | [DrEvil] | even on this media reader SD is slow |
| 21:58:30 | tux_mike | Neo: but this i don't like so much "No phone/fax support, contact us by e-mail." if my domain name is down, how can i get email? |
| 22:02:06 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 22:03:18 | W|GGL|T | cannot understand why people keep asking if WinCE/PPC will install onto the Z |
| 22:03:29 | kergoth | either |
| 22:03:36 | W|GGL|T | if they want that OS so bad, why not just buy a damn PDA with that OS |
| 22:04:00 | treke | probably because you can get the clearance zaurus' from BB |
| 22:04:19 | W|GGL|T | they want their cake and they want to eat it too |
| 22:04:48 | msmax | i am realy too want install WinCE/PPC on my z.. why not? |
| 22:05:28 | BigBoss | if you could get an iPaq rom, you could probably do it |
| 22:05:53 | treke | maybe one from a 3600 |
| 22:05:54 | W|GGL|T | just buy the PPC PDAs |
| 22:06:17 | kergoth | um, the hardware in the 3600 != the hardware in the Z |
| 22:06:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:06:39 | Speedy2 | What? Sharp didn't OEM from Compaq? |
| 22:06:40 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 22:07:31 | kergoth | is determined to make the flash not read only today |
| 22:07:33 | kergoth | damnit |
| 22:08:09 | Speedy2 | is determined to get PWM working on this thiing |
| 22:08:15 | kergoth | pwm? |
| 22:08:24 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 22:08:36 | ljp | hi |
| 22:10:19 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 22:10:32 | tux_mike | i just love my mother's trust in me |
| 22:10:47 | kergoth | tux_mike: isnt living with the parents grand |
| 22:10:53 | kergoth | </smartass> |
| 22:10:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:11:08 | Speedy2 | Pulse-Width-Modulation |
| 22:11:38 | tux_mike | i ask to borrow her cheap-ass digital camera and she makes a stink thinking i'm gonna loose it. |
| 22:11:51 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 22:11:52 | tux_mike | i haven't lost a thing since i was about 12 years old |
| 22:11:57 | kergoth | Speedy2: hey, do you have any recommendations on background in this low level stuff? maybe i'll go up to the library at the university and buy the textbook's i'd read if i was going |
| 22:12:07 | kergoth | tux_mike: heh, wtf |
| 22:12:18 | tux_mike | i carry things with me every day that total 3 times her digital camera and haven't lost a single one |
| 22:12:22 | W|GGL|T | just tell her that it wont be much of a loss due to its worth |
| 22:12:58 | W|GGL|T | or tell her you'll buy her another if you lose it |
| 22:13:11 | tux_mike | i even have a film camera, that whenever she asks for it i lend her, that's worth at least 4-5 times the current value of the digital |
| 22:13:26 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Data sheets are your only help. |
| 22:13:44 | Speedy2 | kergoth: That and example code. |
| 22:13:44 | kergoth | Speedy2: I dont mean specific hardware, i mean thats obvious. but more general conceptual stuff. |
| 22:13:50 | kergoth | Speedy2: heh |
| 22:13:51 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 22:13:53 | Speedy2 | Sorry |
| 22:13:55 | kergoth | np |
| 22:14:21 | Speedy2 | fires up the iron |
| 22:19:00 | Speedy2 | I hate solder bridges |
| 22:19:03 | Speedy2 | found the problem. |
| 22:19:40 | kergoth | Speedy2: nice.. i think i found mine too :-) |
| 22:19:59 | jmhodges | wishes he knew what the hell Speedy2 is fixing.. |
| 22:20:05 | kergoth | Speedy2: i shouldve read pages 26-28 a while ago... describes all the pins and their states at OFF. heheh |
| 22:20:16 | kergoth | jmhodges: his charger, id say |
| 22:20:34 | jmhodges | whoa |
| 22:20:37 | kergoth | okay i'm out. goin home. talk to you all some time after i get home i'd say |
| 22:20:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:20:45 | jmhodges | seeya kergoth |
| 22:22:13 | Speedy2 | hrm, PWM is not going. |
| 22:23:07 | jmhodges | hmm.. i was going to ask a question about it .. but i doubt i would get it :) |
| 22:25:05 | tux_mike | what are you doing with PWM? |
| 22:25:21 | Speedy2 | Things I shouldn't be. |
| 22:25:31 | tux_mike | no wonder it's not working |
| 22:28:31 | tux_mike | yay! formatting tape! |
| 22:32:55 | roge99_laptop | tux ... dat tape ? |
| 22:33:26 | tux_mike | finally got a tape :) |
| 22:33:31 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 22:33:35 | roge99_laptop | how long has it been |
| 22:33:54 | tux_mike | my dad's company's it dept had one tape that was sitting on a shelf for a server that was taken out years ago :) |
| 22:34:17 | roge99_laptop | ohh that dosent sound like i would trust my data on it |
| 22:35:10 | tux_mike | it seemed recent enough though, it had a 6-digit EDC from CDW :) |
| 22:35:24 | roge99_laptop | did you use one or both of the drives ? |
| 22:35:51 | tux_mike | one drive i don't think works because it doesn't spit out the DDS-2 tape |
| 22:36:16 | roge99_laptop | hrm ... maybe its a 4/8 |
| 22:36:32 | tux_mike | no, same p/n as the other drive |
| 22:36:33 | roge99_laptop | i really dont remember what they were |
| 22:36:42 | roge99_laptop | ahh.... |
| 22:36:46 | roge99_laptop | ok |
| 22:36:53 | roge99_laptop | glad i sent two then ! |
| 22:37:24 | tux_mike | now i can set it to do backups of my server, once i put it in my server :) |
| 22:38:21 | Speedy2 | Yo Jason. |
| 22:38:27 | JasonNJ-home | hey. |
| 22:38:38 | tux_mike | brb... i gotta shut down to take the drive and scsi card out of my desktop |
| 22:38:44 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: howdy |
| 22:39:50 | Oriumpor | some crazy in an SUV is on hwy 1 and he's got a ton of cops on him :P |
| 22:40:25 | Oriumpor | ahhh... Media priorities. |
| 22:41:04 | JasonNJ-home | OJ? |
| 22:41:23 | Oriumpor | JasonNJ-home: I thought he was in florida |
| 22:41:41 | Oriumpor | the fact that I know that is proof enough of how sad our media is : P |
| 22:43:57 | Neo|Work | people are just too damn stupid really |
| 22:45:36 | ljp | that calls for a round of rum! |
| 22:46:14 | jmhodges | aaah.. the |
| 22:46:29 | Oriumpor | I would rather know what nasa is working on... or where the hell all that money I'm pumping into taxes goes |
| 22:46:35 | jmhodges | aaah .. "people-are-stupid" drinking game |
| 22:46:54 | Oriumpor | like ... I guess joe american doesn't want a 6 part on "where your money really goes" on the evening news |
| 22:47:29 | Oriumpor | they want... "Six men were stupid and tried to get away from cops... you know... those guys with helicopters... radios... cellphones... and lotsa CARS" |
| 22:47:38 | JasonNJ-home | what the hell does anything matter anymore, we are all going to die in 2019 :) |
| 22:47:55 | Oriumpor | JasonNJ-home: 3 years ago we were gonna die in 2031 |
| 22:48:05 | jmhodges | hehe i thought is was 2023 |
| 22:48:10 | Oriumpor | then too |
| 22:48:44 | Oriumpor | we could all die with a 3 hour warning IF our birds stare straight at the sun |
| 22:48:46 | treke | new information :) |
| 22:48:57 | Oriumpor | otherwise... we could get hit by a huge sucker out of the sun with no warning |
| 22:48:58 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: the asteroid thing? |
| 22:49:01 | ljp | nonono.. it's 2112! |
| 22:49:02 | Neo|Work | I'm sure the aliens will save us |
| 22:49:21 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: ever read Mike Flynns books? |
| 22:49:23 | treke | The mayan prediction for the end of the world is 2012 :) |
| 22:49:46 | prpplague | says "and so the evening coding begins...." |
| 22:49:50 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: Firestar, roguestar, buncha other books bout this |
| 22:50:00 | JasonNJ-home | I just hope when we send the spaceship up to deflect the roid, that none of the critical systems run on Windows NT |
| 22:50:08 | Oriumpor | cept... the aliens fired the asteroids at us |
| 22:50:47 | Oriumpor | JasonNJ-home: it'll requre several in flight reboots |
| 22:52:29 | Neo|Work | I read Footstep or whatever that Niven book was called with the spider-like aliens that dumped an astroid on earth |
| 22:52:42 | Oriumpor | JasonNJ-home: they'll run IIS directly from the ship so we can watch it in realtime, and codered will take down all our hopes and dreams |
| 22:52:43 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ-home: haha |
| 22:53:00 | jmhodges | ARGH STUPID GIRL ON CROSSFIRE |
| 22:53:05 | jmhodges | gaaah! |
| 22:53:10 | Neo|Work | how certain are they that it'll get clone enough to hit really? |
| 22:53:19 | Com[Plex | whats up guys. |
| 22:53:24 | Com[Plex | long time no see |
| 22:53:29 | Neo|Work | I haven't read any articles, just heard of it |
| 22:53:35 | jmhodges | hello Com[Plex |
| 22:53:45 | Oriumpor | they can't |
| 22:54:23 | Oriumpor | their crunching cluster is much too msall... and our roid database is to small to get those many elements flying in a sim. |
| 22:54:27 | Oriumpor | they can guess |
| 22:55:20 | Oriumpor | and they're saying it's a possibility ... that means... with their limited data sets they think it'll end up somewhere near us |
| 22:55:32 | Oriumpor | and that's too close for comfort |
| 22:55:42 | Oriumpor | just another nea |
| 22:56:01 | jmhodges | they just said that its not really likely |
| 22:56:06 | jmhodges | too little evidence |
| 22:56:10 | jmhodges | they're working on it :) |
| 22:56:49 | prpplague | JasonNJ: its probably a government contract for the spaceship, so off course they're going to overpay for substandard products (i.e. winblows) |
| 22:56:50 | Oriumpor | we need better maps of our solar system ... or we're gonna end up squished |
| 22:57:45 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 22:57:58 | treke | even if we knew 100% it would hit, there isnt much we can do about it |
| 22:58:29 | ljp | you kow sputnik is still in orbit? |
| 22:58:30 | Oriumpor | treke with this much time... and the fact it has to orbit twice... we could probably push it or pull it out of the way |
| 22:59:07 | jmhodges | what are talking about ?? we just send bruce willis up with a fat old drilling team and make them go up and drill a nuke into and THEN PLAY AEROSMITH |
| 22:59:21 | Oriumpor | screw the nuke thing |
| 22:59:29 | jmhodges | yes! defy physics woohoo! |
| 22:59:35 | treke | jmhodges: yeah but you have to convince bruce willis to commit suicide, and his movies havent gotten that bad yet |
| 22:59:40 | jmhodges | hated Armageddon |
| 22:59:51 | jmhodges | hehehe treke |
| 22:59:56 | Oriumpor | jmhodges: I love how they drill into something which isn't solid... |
| 23:00:02 | ljp | wants to see Britney Spears in space |
| 23:00:04 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:00:08 | Oriumpor | that's my personal favorite |
| 23:00:15 | jmhodges | i like how the asteroid "splits apart" |
| 23:00:17 | treke | 0 g boobs |
| 23:00:22 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:00:34 | Oriumpor | treke: her implants would look funky |
| 23:00:56 | Oriumpor | she'd need to keep em under wraps |
| 23:01:13 | Neo|Work | I like how the nuking part probably would just make it rain down as many small astroids instead |
| 23:01:43 | Neo|Work | my favorite fix for astroid-hitting-earth was in Stargate SG-1 |
| 23:01:52 | jmhodges | missed that |
| 23:02:07 | Oriumpor | If we nuked the big sucker and sent it into the sun on one of its orbits it wouldn't really matter how many pieces it was in... |
| 23:02:17 | Neo|Work | this particular astroid was doctored, with a center of a very heavy and in the right conditions volatile matera that would create a small supernova. :P |
| 23:02:32 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:02:37 | Neo|Work | they enclosed it in a hyperspace field and "jumped" through the earth, appearing on the other side. |
| 23:02:57 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:03:03 | Oriumpor | send it to someone you don't like |
| 23:03:05 | Oriumpor | more un |
| 23:03:07 | ljp | ooohh thats all a myth.. everyone knows that th eearth is flat and the center of the universe! |
| 23:03:08 | Oriumpor | er fun |
| 23:03:28 | Oriumpor | ljp: I guess computers have warped our perception slightly... |
| 23:03:37 | Neo|Work | might be hard for us to do that though, considering we lack a Goa'uld transport ship |
| 23:03:51 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: yeah... that whole hting |
| 23:04:13 | Neo|Work | but then again, maybe we don't... :) |
| 23:04:14 | Oriumpor | I hate lag... someone needs to stop downloading so i can get decent response on my console |
| 23:04:35 | Oriumpor | kicks his coworkers |
| 23:04:35 | ljp | its just that gravity bends space, so it appears to be roundish |
| 23:04:55 | Neo|Work | one episode featured an in-game SG-1 tv-series clone which SG-1 didn't try to stop because it'd be useful in case information actually leaked about the stargate. they could then refer to the lame series |
| 23:04:56 | Oriumpor | so there is no china? |
| 23:05:09 | Oriumpor | ... damnit... all these jet li movies for nothing |
| 23:05:10 | Neo|Work | who says that SG-1 isn't actually a coverup for the real stargate program? :)) |
| 23:05:46 | ljp | anything exciting happen in window managers lately? |
| 23:06:01 | mark | silly question which i'm two tired to remember the answer for. whats the short notation for adding 2 to an int? |
| 23:06:06 | Oriumpor | ljp: bbox still crashes unexpectedly when you run display -window rooot |
| 23:06:11 | Oriumpor | er root |
| 23:06:12 | Neo|Work | foo +=2 ? |
| 23:06:27 | mark | Neo|Work: thats the one. coding at 2:10 am isn't good |
| 23:06:32 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 23:06:33 | ljp | I use fluxbox very occasionally |
| 23:06:35 | Neo|Work | thonk |
| 23:06:54 | Oriumpor | Ximian is ok |
| 23:07:01 | Oriumpor | but it's still bloaty |
| 23:07:54 | Oriumpor | KDE is ... kde |
| 23:08:00 | ljp | although I use kde more because of session management |
| 23:08:14 | treke | Oriumpor: you using a recent blackbox? |
| 23:08:18 | Oriumpor | most |
| 23:08:31 | Oriumpor | whatever the latest build |
| 23:08:48 | treke | Oriumpor: not 0.60.0 right? |
| 23:08:58 | Oriumpor | 62.1 |
| 23:09:04 | treke | ok. |
| 23:09:26 | treke | seems like a number of black box users havent caught on that its being developed again :) |
| 23:09:40 | ljp | it is? |
| 23:10:00 | treke | yes |
| 23:10:09 | Oriumpor | I smelled coding so I peeked at www.blackbox.or |
| 23:10:14 | ljp | did he lose his job at TT? |
| 23:10:14 | Oriumpor | org |
| 23:10:15 | Oriumpor | even |
| 23:10:20 | treke | ljp: new guy |
| 23:10:24 | ljp | ahhh cool |
| 23:10:30 | tux_mike | damnit. |
| 23:10:32 | treke | ljp: although bradley hughes does do some work on it |
| 23:10:44 | treke | blackboxwm.sourceforge.net is the new website |
| 23:11:01 | ljp | hmmmmm. ok |
| 23:11:36 | Oriumpor | treke: you running 65? |
| 23:11:51 | treke | treke|home: 62 |
| 23:12:26 | treke | well actually windowmaker at the moment, but its missing some stuff that I loved in bb |
| 23:12:33 | treke | so I'm thinking I'll go back |
| 23:12:34 | Oriumpor | like? |
| 23:12:56 | treke | being able to bind keys to launch applications |
| 23:13:10 | Oriumpor | yeah, that's really nice |
| 23:13:57 | Neo|Work | uses sawfish |
| 23:14:08 | Oriumpor | bb doesn't do it's keybindings on it's own anymore tho |
| 23:14:14 | Oriumpor | gotta ron bbkeys |
| 23:14:18 | Oriumpor | run |
| 23:14:19 | Oriumpor | jeeze |
| 23:14:24 | Oriumpor | I need a new set of hands |
| 23:14:31 | treke | that happened long before I started using blackbox :) |
| 23:14:32 | Oriumpor | these ones keep making typos |
| 23:15:06 | Oriumpor | i hadn't used it until just recently |
| 23:15:09 | Oriumpor | again anyways |
| 23:15:13 | Oriumpor | not since 2.2.r3 |
| 23:15:26 | ljp | bbkeys needs to be built in, IMHO |
| 23:15:27 | Oriumpor | maybe even before that ... I don't remember |
| 23:16:23 | treke | doesnt see the benefit in building bbkeys into blackbox. Just makes it more of a pain to upgrade |
| 23:17:03 | ljp | conveince |
| 23:18:15 | ljp | users shouldnt have to spend hours trying to figure that stuff out |
| 23:18:15 | Oriumpor | regardless it has the pluggability |
| 23:18:31 | Oriumpor | perhaps someone should package em |
| 23:18:40 | Oriumpor | bbinst-tool |
| 23:18:43 | [MiniMe] | yay |
| 23:18:48 | ljp | thats why I use fluxbox.. its more usable |
| 23:19:44 | Oriumpor | i just want display to work! : P i'm getting tired of this checkered background... it looks really wierd with transparent terms |
| 23:19:59 | ljp | hehe |
| 23:20:50 | Oriumpor | and that's another thing :P true transparency... I don't wanna have to buy a mac to get that functionality : P |
| 23:21:03 | Oriumpor | ok I better stop |
| 23:21:22 | Oriumpor | this could turn into a religious war |
| 23:22:01 | treke | all of black boxes problems are Troll Tech's fault |
| 23:22:09 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 23:22:23 | ljp | hahaha |
| 23:22:27 | VerxHome | anyone alive in here that uses qt designer and visual studio 6? |
| 23:22:36 | ljp | I do |
| 23:22:43 | Oriumpor | VerxHome: not together:P |
| 23:22:45 | VerxHome | seriously ljp? |
| 23:22:48 | ljp | not at the same time tho |
| 23:22:51 | VerxHome | I thought you coded on linux |
| 23:22:52 | ljp | yes |
| 23:22:53 | VerxHome | oh, heheheh |
| 23:22:54 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 23:22:55 | ljp | I do |
| 23:22:58 | ljp | and windows |
| 23:23:15 | VerxHome | ljp: Well, I am a bit confused |
| 23:23:18 | ljp | vc++ blows doors off of gcc as far as speed is concerned |
| 23:23:26 | Oriumpor | ljp: undoubtedly |
| 23:23:28 | Speedy2 | You can have transparency with the latest nVidia drivers & Windows... |
| 23:23:46 | VerxHome | ljp: which way do you mean? vc++ is actually faster than gcc? |
| 23:23:47 | Oriumpor | Speedy2: ... what's windows?... |
| 23:23:52 | VerxHome | or the other way around? |
| 23:23:59 | ljp | oh ya much faster compiles |
| 23:24:03 | VerxHome | wow |
| 23:24:05 | treke | pseudo transparency meets my needs ( giving me a way to occaisionally see my background image) |
| 23:24:09 | ljp | vc++ is alot faster |
| 23:24:15 | VerxHome | well, that is a plus |
| 23:24:23 | Oriumpor | much better optimization as well |
| 23:24:27 | ljp | makes developement time faster |
| 23:24:28 | VerxHome | the other thing is - at work I am really only going to be able to compile on windows |
| 23:24:34 | Speedy2 | GCC has issues...a LOT of them. |
| 23:24:53 | kergoth`gone | Speedy2: received your package. yours will be on its way to you tomorrow. |
| 23:25:10 | ljp | verx: lemme boot into winders... |
| 23:25:10 | Oriumpor | 3.0 disk 3 done... muhah |
| 23:25:17 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Great! Did you check it out? Oh I see! You didn't even trust me so you didn't sent as well, huh? |
| 23:25:18 | Speedy2 | cries |
| 23:25:35 | kergoth | Speedy2: haha. nothing personal.. just precautions, you know |
| 23:25:45 | Speedy2 | Wow, seriously? |
| 23:25:46 | Oriumpor | kergoth: yes... trust no one... |
| 23:25:53 | kergoth | Oriumpor: precisely |
| 23:25:58 | VerxHome | ljp: How do I tie code to what I create in Qt Designer? |
| 23:25:59 | Speedy2 | Wow. |
| 23:26:02 | ljp | has been ignoring his windows projects |
| 23:26:03 | Speedy2 | Well...I trusted you |
| 23:26:23 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The drives have been formatted and are clean, but you may need to call and order some jumpers. |
| 23:26:25 | kergoth | Speedy2: I'll have it shipped from work tomorrow and give you the tracking number. |
| 23:26:29 | Speedy2 | k |
| 23:26:36 | Oriumpor | ljp: but... they're so much prettier... i mean... your ide HAS to have a white background ... right?? right??? :P |
| 23:26:49 | Oriumpor | windows projects are soo much better than linux ones |
| 23:27:00 | VerxHome | heh |
| 23:27:06 | kergoth | ide with a white background.. thats just wrong |
| 23:27:13 | ljp | I dont know about better.. just different |
| 23:27:39 | Oriumpor | I just want to get the damn background to change in vc++ without making other stuff unreadable |
| 23:27:59 | kergoth | bbiaf, dinner |
| 23:28:00 | Oriumpor | I just want stuff I already have in linux... |
| 23:28:01 | VerxHome | ljp: How do I tie code to what I create in Qt Designer? |
| 23:28:01 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 23:28:09 | VerxHome | oops |
| 23:28:15 | VerxHome | sorry, dog bumped by mouse |
| 23:28:32 | ljp | oriumpor: on codeproject or code guru there's a way to make vc++ display any color |
| 23:28:41 | Oriumpor | ljp: really??? |
| 23:28:46 | Oriumpor | no more headaches? |
| 23:29:03 | ljp | its bacially a registry hack |
| 23:29:15 | Oriumpor | more stuff to hose my user.dat |
| 23:29:17 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 23:29:36 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 23:29:53 | Speedy2 | I got some reg keys to turn of the stupid flying windows throbber in all the default windows |
| 23:30:02 | Speedy2 | + one to disable favorites from showing up in all folders... |
| 23:30:32 | Oriumpor | can't you do that in win2k without reg hacks? |
| 23:30:38 | Speedy2 | Nope |
| 23:30:50 | Oriumpor | oh well |
| 23:30:56 | Oriumpor | 3.0 is done burning I can go home |
| 23:30:57 | Oriumpor | adios |
| 23:31:03 | Speedy2 | If anyone wants the keys, lemme know, they weren't easy to find. |
| 23:33:24 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 23:34:16 | VerxHome | ljp, are you still here? |
| 23:34:46 | Com[Plex | anyone here been useing the scummvm emulator with the z? |
| 23:35:05 | Com[Plex | the guy who made prboom compiled scummvm for the Z, it works like a charm |
| 23:35:22 | Com[Plex | no need to rotate the screen, no need to shut off the Z to quit. yuo can even save now |
| 23:37:14 | codemnky | hey folks can you please help me with a micro$oft sql server issue ... anyone here have any exp with that? |
| 23:37:38 | codemnky | any takers? |
| 23:38:00 | Com[Plex | are there any other software indexes that might have software not included on the killefiz site? |
| 23:38:05 | Com[Plex | free stuff mind you.. |
| 23:39:40 | JasonNJ-home | complex: myzaurus.com |
| 23:39:54 | VerxHome | jason: Did you get your camera yet? |
| 23:40:10 | kergoth | hrmph, my leftover rice-a-roni that i burnt yesterday isnt too bad todya |
| 23:40:12 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:40:18 | codemnky | hey kergoth |
| 23:40:18 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 23:40:21 | kergoth | hey codemnky |
| 23:40:24 | kergoth | whats goin on |
| 23:40:32 | codemnky | you know anything about micro$oft sql server |
| 23:40:41 | kergoth | not a thing, thankfully |
| 23:40:42 | codemnky | ok, neither do i |
| 23:40:44 | codemnky | damnit |
| 23:40:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:41:44 | Com[Plex | www.myzaurus.com |
| 23:42:11 | prpplague | JasonNJ-home: any idea where the source changes are that were done for the x package? |
| 23:43:24 | prpplague | kergoth: btw, the sco2linux digi conversion went flawlessly this morning |
| 23:43:30 | kergoth | prpplague: great! |
| 23:44:01 | prpplague | kergoth: the real test is friday, our worst technician is going to do another |
| 23:44:08 | kergoth | prpplague: hah |
| 23:44:46 | jmhodges | digi? |
| 23:46:11 | prpplague | jmhodges: multi-serial boards |
| 23:46:20 | Neo|Work | tries to decide: more generic config editor or hardcoded for Eon Products |
| 23:46:21 | Neo|Work | boggles |
| 23:46:52 | jmhodges | oook prpplague |
| 23:47:04 | jmhodges | is so over his head in here. |
| 23:47:04 | kergoth | jmhodges: you know.. serial ports.. lots of them.. :-P |
| 23:47:08 | prpplague | Neo|Work: Eon? as in neoware eon thin clients? |
| 23:47:12 | jmhodges | ahhhh! isee thanks kergoth |
| 23:47:17 | kergoth | jmhodges: those plugs on the back of your pc... |
| 23:47:20 | kergoth | jmhodges: :-P |
| 23:47:21 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 23:47:34 | jmhodges | glares at kergoth |
| 23:48:01 | prpplague | jmhodges: this location had a server with 300+ serial ports |
| 23:48:40 | Speedy2 | PWM WORKS! |
| 23:48:40 | | eongames is see Eon Games instead |
| 23:48:40 | Neo|Work | ibot: eongames |
| 23:48:42 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth ... I reflashed and had the same prob w/ atd agina ... just to let you know |
| 23:48:42 | Speedy2 | I'm a f00l |
| 23:48:44 | | eon games is game developer with many fine Zaurus titles, like Strategic Assault, Eligo and Bust'em. Other than original port, Eon Games also do a lot of porting (mainly Pocket PC to Sharp Zaurus but desktop porting as well). See http://eongames.com/ for more information. |
| 23:48:44 | Neo|Work | ibot: eon games |
| 23:48:49 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: wtf |
| 23:48:52 | kergoth | Speedy2: hehe |
| 23:49:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I just got PWM going, I forgot to make the pin an output! I thought of that earlier but was like "naah, that's too silly" |
| 23:49:09 | VerxHome | neo: I truly do wish the eon games exited properly on opie |
| 23:49:10 | VerxHome | :( |
| 23:49:10 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:49:21 | kergoth | Speedy2: its always simple and silly :-) |
| 23:49:23 | Speedy2 | I have some ASM code here and I didn't see IT do that... |
| 23:49:28 | Speedy2 | Yeah, I think I said that to you earlier :) |
| 23:49:36 | roge99_laptop | its the zimage-32 w/ my updated start scripts |
| 23:49:36 | Speedy2 | kay, it works |
| 23:49:37 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 23:50:14 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: oi.. i'll do some testing when i have a chance. thats really weird. |
| 23:50:52 | roge99_laptop | im gona reflash again later ... I ll see if i can do some debugging and let you know |
| 23:50:54 | prpplague | Neo|Work: ahh |
| 23:52:02 | Speedy2 | Note to self: Do not solder things when the system is turned on. |
| 23:52:19 | kergoth | Speedy2: lol |
| 23:52:28 | Neo|Work | VerxHome: get me an opie ipaq device and I'll see if I can work around it |
| 23:52:30 | Speedy2 | I once damaged a $20 CPLD like that |
| 23:52:49 | Speedy2 | It actually popped out of the socket while I was working on it because it got so hot! ;) |
| 23:53:24 | Speedy2 | That is, the iron tip was grounded and the pin was at VCC...oops. |
| 23:54:00 | prpplague | kergoth: is there another cvs site for some of the code listed on the zaurus.sourceforge site? |
| 23:54:11 | kergoth | prpplague: not to my knowledge |
| 23:54:21 | kergoth | prpplague: have you dug around oss.lineo.com for the x changes? |
| 23:54:31 | kergoth | prpplague: the guy who did them worked there |
| 23:54:32 | prpplague | kergoth: no i'll check there |
| 23:54:37 | prpplague | ya pierre |
| 23:54:42 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:54:57 | prpplague | i droped him an email, but not heard anything back yet |
| 23:55:01 | kergoth | he's MIA man |
| 23:55:05 | | fastolfe was last seen on #zaurus 141 days, 19 hours, 14 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: [Tue Mar 5 04:40:52 2002] |
| 23:55:05 | kergoth | ibot: seen fastolfe? |
| 23:55:09 | kergoth | check that |
| 23:55:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:55:24 | prpplague | ouch |
| 23:55:46 | ljp | last I heard, fastolfe was waiting for funding on a buisiness he was starting in France |
| 23:55:47 | kergoth | prpplague: never saw him after did their layoffs.. |
| 23:55:56 | kergoth | ljp: ah cool, i never heard that.. |
| 23:55:59 | ljp | I've heard from him |
| 23:56:04 | kergoth | ljp: i hope it goes well for him |
| 23:56:10 | ljp | but that was about 2 months ago |
| 23:56:34 | ljp | he only had access to a borowwed win98 machine w/modem |
| 23:56:41 | ljp | and was waiting to buy machines |
| 23:57:21 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll have to ask BZ |
| 23:57:24 | prpplague | kergoth: http://oss.lineo.com/fbvncserver/ |
| 23:57:46 | Neo|Work | Interstellar Flames PPC is out |
| 23:57:48 | Neo|Work | http://www.xengames.com/screens.html |
| 23:58:08 | ljp | you looking for fbvnc source? |
| 23:58:15 | VerxHome | is 20 pixels enough to see 2 digits in normal opie font? |
| 23:59:25 | VerxHome | damn neo |
| 23:59:30 | VerxHome | wish we had games like that on linux |
| 23:59:52 | prpplague | ljp: naw, the xfree86 source for the ipkg , just thought that was funny |
